Quote from: TinselKoala on August 13, 2012, 04:02:24 PM
Well... that's fair enough, because honestly, I don't yet understand your explanations, either.

So...let's try it like this.

Do you have a single Zed, that shows the effect, the gain, the overunity, by lifting a known weight a certain distance, or providing a known volume output of liquid at a known pressure?
(This can be answered YES, or NO.)
If NO... then stop, because we have hit a contradiction: I think that earlier you (or someone) said that you did.

If the answer is YES.... then, does it start out,  motionless, at a position with pressures and volumes known, and wind back up at that same position, with the same pressures and volumes?
(Another YES or NO answer can be given.)
If NO... then stop, because we have hit a contradiction: we have not yet completed a CYCLE.

If the answer is YES.... then, what does it take to start it up and make it lift that known weight that certain distance, to the top of the cycle?

The answer to this last one I expect to be something like "We need to push down (or in) on a hydraulic ram" or "We inject a volume of liquid at a pressure" or something like that. Very simple.

OK, I have tried to make it easy for you to understand my questions so far. Will you please try to make it easy for me to understand your answers?

Once I understand the answers to this part, I might be able to understand the rest. You have to cut me a little slack, though... I am straitjacketed by my education and it takes me a little while to wriggle out of what I "think" I already know.

TK,
Please send me a personal e-mail to mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
I believe you are trustworthy - I do not have the time to bring you up to speed in this forum fashion - I will send you some info
to leap you ahead.
Your questions will be more to the point. You need to know and remove the hearsay.
Wayne Travis

Quote from: fletcher on August 13, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
Thanks Wayne for the additional information.

Also to be clear - you & your team have taken the position that gravity is not conservative which allows for net work/load output capacity ?

My question is a rather obvious one I'm afraid.

Can the Single or Dual ZED configuration operate as you propose outside a gravity field ?

For example, by creating an artificial ersatz gravity differential thru the use of a rotational environment & inertia i.e. centrifugal forces ?

This is the constant angular velocity spinning space station analogy.

The implications being, if the answer is yes, that if an artificial gravity can be substituted for real gravity differential/field then Cf's/Cp's will also be viewed by you as non conservative forces by deduction.

This would mean IINM that the Travis Effect is NOT a gravity/buoyancy effect but a differential-field/buoyancy effect that can be used to create an engine to do Work because the TE mechanics allow for non conservative force generation ?

If the answer is no, then an engine based on the TE will not work in space or horizontally & only in a gravity field ?

I hope that makes sense.

P.S. I'm interested to hear if your engineers have the same explanation as you or a different one, & if so, what is theirs ?

Our system relies on the effect gravity has on separate density - a rotation system would increase the system on earth and work in space.

We have a rotational model - I not allowed to discuss it yet.
Wayne

Quote from: mrwayne on August 13, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
TK,
Please send me a personal e-mail to mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
I believe you are trustworthy - I do not have the time to bring you up to speed in this forum fashion - I will send you some info
to leap you ahead.
The your questions will be more to the point you need to know and remove the here -say.
Wayne Travis

I'll be happy to do this... but only on the condition that I can share whatever you send me with the other forum participants if I think it's appropriate. Would that be OK with you?

I have no desire to know about your intellectual property at all, at this point, so please don't expect me to sign an NDA yet, and please don't tell me anything you consider proprietary. And I definitely do not need, at this stage, to understand _how_ it works, or to read long convoluted explanations of how it works ... I just want to know _at this point_  if it does what it says "on the box"... the title of this thread.  I simply want to know what goes in (energy, aka work) and what comes out (energy, aka work), averaged over a reasonable time period, like one full and complete cycle or a multiple of full and complete cycles, so that a claim of overunity-- what it says on the box-- can be supported with data. That much, I think, you could show or tell anyone without revealing your secrets. And I'm pretty sure that, were I in your position, I could do this in a reasonable time period... like a few minutes.

Well Wayne - I am most definitely looking forward to MD's analysis or any competent detailed analysis for that matter - it will be interesting to hear TK's updated thoughts after an exchange of emails & information with you.

A rotary mode engine based on 'formerly conservative forces' of either gravity or inertia, or both, would indeed be game changing in all ways & a natural progression of the idea for you.

I also appreciate that you are trying here to foster independent replications of the basic setups, which I don't have the time for, rather than enter theory debates - it's however part of the process from going from science theory to science fact when new paradigms are proposed.

ATEOTD a working physical model, validated & replicated, foreshortens all arguments & distills all essence - so no matter to which side any of us currently lean in this discussion we all have a common ground of wanting science truth, & that is what we all look forward to.

Well, you made me do it. I got my hands wet, doing a simple experiment that led me to an interesting conclusion and discovery.

I have discovered virtual water! And it has virtual weight, too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFjqBaH_NWU