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Friction heater running in my house

Started by oilpiggy, October 31, 2012, 02:25:24 PM

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MileHigh

Doug1:

More power to you that you burn wood, but what does that have to do with this thread?  I have no clue what you mean by "dynamo polarity."

Paul-R:

"The Square Peg Society."  lol

JouleSeeker

I also find Gabriel's work to be very impressive, and encouraging! 
His device is amenable to careful scientific testing.

1.  First I would start with running the hot-cylinder alone in a water calorimeter, which I have built and calibrated in my home laboratory. I have used this calorimeter (and variations of it) in energy studies many times (see, for example, http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischmann_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/

2.  Careful measurements of the input power  (I have several types of meters for measuring input power if AC, and others for measuring input power for DC) and the output power (heating of a known quantity of water).  Among other power meters, I have a standard electric-power meter as used for homes on the grid.

3.  It would be very important to run CONTROLS, such as immersion heaters in water, to compare with the heat-output of Gabriel's device.

4.  For instance, one could use 500 watt-hours put into a simple immersion heater and measure the temperature-rise, and make sure the calorimeter is properly functioning and calibrated.  Then the SAME amount  (e.g. 500 watter-hours) would be fed to the motor on your device and the temperature-rise in the calorimeter from the hot-cylinder measured.  From this one can calculate the efficiency of the immersion heater = control (which should be close to 100%) and the efficiency of your device (presumably over 100% compared with input electrical energy; like a "heat pump" perhaps).  In "cold fusion" circles, this is simply called "anomalous excess heat" -- since the origin of the anomalous heat is currently unknown.
The measurement is conservative in that the heat in the motor is not measured for this straightforward first testing (heat from the motor could be measured later).

5.  Several tests would be done, varying the amount of water bath in the calorimeter, temperature probes used, etc.

6.  Later, if Gabriel agrees, I could arrange for use of a more sophisticated calorimeter.  But - I would not do this at first.  The above calorimetric tests can be done quickly and in a definitive way in my laboratory, as long as the anomalous xs heat is more than about 20% of the input electrical power.  I have already built and tested the needed equipment.

7.  AFTER these initial "anomalous heat" tests, I propose to test the device for safety by looking for any potentially dangerous emissions coming from the device -- looking for X-rays, gammas, betas, alphas, neutrons and RF radiation.  The device can be shielded to prevent harm, but it is crucial  IMO to make sure that the device is safe, for example for home use.  It is conceivable, although not likely IMO, that the anomalous heat is nuclear in origin (LENR), and if so the device may need to be shielded.

  As an emeritus Professor of Physics, I also have contacts in the scientific community that would allow Gabriel (and others) to present findings from careful testing including controls (see above) at:
1.  Scientific conferences
and
2.  In scientific journals.
A peer-reviewed paper would add to the credibility and public acceptance and use of the device -- it could go viral.  I'm well acquainted with the process, having over fifty peer-reviewed papers (my web-site page:  http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/ )

Doug1

Paul
  The guy reduced his heating bill by using a friction heater he made himself. He only wanted to share his experience. He's not looking for money or fame. For his good deed he gets jumped on because he only has info that is derived from his heating bill which is all he wanted to reduce. He fullfilled his need. Just like my wood heater filled mine and I dont really care about data outside of my heating bill and the comfort is just icing on the cake.
  The reality of "his" lower bills most likely is due to a problem with his heating system not working properly. Like a leaking vent pumping his heat into the walls or attic making his system run harder and longer then it should. Or people going in and out too much letting his heat roll right out the door. Too many windows for the size house and or lower quality windows. There are a lot of reasons his friction heater could reduce his bills since it is a point of use heater not subject to poor construction or misshap all the heat is supplied directly to the space they live in. Same princible works for cooking stoves and comparing induction cooking to heated coils or narural gas. It's conservation and use of the resource. Have you ever investigated heat recycling sanitation drains? They work well also in reducing the energy used to heat domestic water by warming up the incomming water the heater using the heated water going down the drain. Not everyone can make use of every notion ever though up. It depends on a number of conditions.
  The friction heater is still a unique design with lot of room to get more out of it.
   Im still looking for the paper on the Disk dynomo.I spent an hour already trying to find it. I will have to continue looking for it later tonight. It's not mine it was done by a lab if I remember right. Just another device no one has done much with inspite of how strange it is.
   Last thought: most pegs start out square because that is the prctical way to cut the material then it gets placed on a lathe and large portion of the peg is removed so it will conform to the smaller round hole. The peg works round or square in the correct shape hole. I do not subscribe to the extra work or wasted material to make a round peg without there being a good enough reason such as an improvement in performance equal the expense of the extra work or better. I leave such folly to the fasion police and those folks who like to change stuff up for sake of commerce.

Paul-R

Quote from: Doug1 on December 20, 2012, 09:38:19 AM
Paul
  The guy reduced his heating bill by using a friction heater he made himself. He only wanted to share his experience. He's not looking for money or fame. For his good deed he gets jumped on because he only has...
I agree. His work is interesting,. especially the magnetic discs, a departure from Frenette
and possibly bringing in Schauberger, vortices and Lords Knows What.

MileHigh

Doug1:

Gabriel is not being 'jumped' on.  He posted some video clips and made some claims.  Some people clearly believe that there may be some free energy magic going on as evidenced by their postings.  Some discussion points have been raised which is normal around here.  There is no need to play the bad censor cop, it's simply stifling discussion.  This is a place where discussion is supposed to be encouraged.

Still no word from Gabriel about any proposed test setup or test plans which he said he was undertaking.  Unfortunately that's not very encouraging.

MileHigh