man..i hope somebody will oneday build one of these circuits around a watchbattery,make things a lot easier to scrutinize.

Would a 9v battery do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hl4YWlU0i4
Altoid also runs on a 2F capacitor only, as well, and makes the negative mean power product while doing it.

@tk negative power product? Translate pls.do you mean overunity

Quote from: profitis on June 30, 2013, 10:34:12 AM
@tk negative power product? Translate pls.do you mean overunity

Since the time Rosemary began measuring the battery power and obtaining a negative (polarity) mean (average) result, she has claimed this is an indication that some energy is going back into the battery.

The scope computes p(t) from the Vbat and Vcsr probes by multiplying them and producing a MATH trace. Then the resulting math trace has a "mean" measurement applied by the scope to several displayed cycles, and it is this measurement that is indicating a "negative" polarity.

With the probe configuration used, a true negative result would indicate a net energy going back into the battery, but on this apparatus the results are not "true" in the technical sense. Even a 100nH inductance between the CSR probes can and will skew the p(t) measurement to the degree that the resulting average Pbat becomes negative in polarity (due to the resulting negative average current). When a single low-inductance CSR is utilized (Rose's circuit uses four 1 Ohm resistors in parallel using significant wiring in between) and the CSR probes placed tightly against the resistor body, the average current changes polarity from negative (previous CSR and probe placement) to positive.

With a positive net average current, and the positive average Vbat, the Pbat average will of course be positive as well, and I have already established by experiment with a simple DC circuit with identical probe placement, that this will indicate the batteries' energy is depleting, not increasing.

This will be clearly demonstrated in some upcoming tests with my setup of the circuit.

Right on Poynt!

If Rosie is listening:

Simply define 12 or so steps that you want to take to demonstrate your setup.  Find a place to position your camera + tripod so the camera can be pointed at either the setup or the DSO display as you make your measurements.  I am assuming that your camera has a zoom lens so every time you move the camera you also change the zoom to properly set the frame.  Do an extra close up zoom of the DSO display.  Do a rehearsal of the 12 steps and the camera sequencing and then when you are ready go live.

We don't need a tour of the setup, just a step by step walk through of your measurements about the Figure 3 issue with a nice narration on top of that.  That might take 30 minutes max, and then you can open up the question and answer session.

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