@Armagdon03 , Allcanadian , or anyone else

In my earth battery thread  i was building different homeade electromagnetic relays in search of a good one for the cell and i came across a wierd mod taht allowed me to step up 3 v to 60 in under two seconds bateries dotn get hot either i would really appreciate it if any of you had any idea why this happens in this circuit.. i didnt think a step up transformer could be built this way. Gotta love crazy ideas.  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg76964.html#msg76964  That post explains it and the post below the link has the full picture.  Reason im bringning this up here is because it seemed like if the speed of the relay was fast enough to swing the cap up say at least once a second thats a hell of a burst waiting in a photoflash cap 200v 330 mfd to be sent into a primary coil of a tesla transformer.
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                                                                         Joe

What you have stumbled on is one of the uses of coils of high self induction, and a property of induction itself. A charged condenser will collapse when power is disconnected, to this end the discharge from the coil will overcome resistance, and does so through an increase in potential. In fact in at least one of Teslas patents Tesla states that if the voltage of the source is not high enough, the properties of a choking coil may be taken advantage of. Wish i could name the patent off the top of my head, guess I better read them more

@armagdn03

Thanks for the reply, im familiar with what your talking about but the cap never discharges into the circuit. I think This cap arrangement with the diode between the spring arm and the inductor somehow accepts the collapse on its way back from the spring arm and filters some of it through the diode into the cap.The cap and the relay circuit have a common ground/ - .  Two things which occured to me also the swing up was rather dramatic and it was Dependant on speed of the relay firing. the effect tapered just over 60 v and seemed to keep going but much more slowley.. then i realized the PIV rating on my diode was 75 v so im wondering if my "valve" so to speak is limiting the ammt of the back spike going into the cap .. the cap voltage is higher so i know thats not a limiting factor.. other senario is i haven't achieved a fast enough mechanical speed to get larger spike.  Thanks again for the quick answer  Im going to go back through my patents as well ..

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PS- Scan Soft pdf pro is sweet program that lets you take normal pdf's and save them to search able pdf format. That  makes it so you can do word searches    I did this to the pdf I found that had all of teslas patents in it that way we can see each reference in each patent . helps find the pieces to the puzzle easier if you need pm me an ftp and i will be glad to upload it to you or skype it   

The best advice I can give any person pondering the mysteries of...............whatever, would be,     Understand the physical aspects (physics, kinematics, etc.) of the components and interaction with other components.

A complete understanding of interactions, physical properties, etc, will awnser all of your questions, Why ask questions, when the most qualified person to ask is yourself?

If you cannot explain in full detail the operations of a condenser, then perhaps you have some thinking to do. I cannot tell you how many nights I have spent thinking of such things, imagining, working things out in my head till I am satisfied, mental experimentation is key! to be able to build without question is an amazing feeling, no experimentation, just KNOWING. What if you could just build your OU machine with confidence without any questions?

 

Quotemental experimentation is key!

sounds very familiar 

quote from a Tesla Bio...

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The moment one constructs a device to carry into practice a crude idea, he finds
himself unavoidably engrossed with the details of the apparatus. As he goes on
improving and reconstructing, his force of concentration diminishes and he loses
sight of the great underlying principle. Results may be obtained, but always at
the sacrifice of quality. My method is different. I do not rush into actual
work. When I get an idea, I start at once building it up in my imagination. I
change the construction, make improvements and operate the device in my mind. It
is absolutely immaterial to me whether I run my turbine in thought or test it in
my shop. I even note if it is out of balance. There is no difference whatever;
the results are the same. In this way I am able to rapidly develop and perfect a
conception without touching anything. When I have gone so far as to embody in
the invention every possible improvement I can think of and see no fault
anywhere, I put into concrete form this final product of my brain. Invariably my
device works as I conceived that it should, and the experiment comes out exactly
as I planned it. In twenty years there has not been a single exception. Why
should it be otherwise? Engineering, electrical and mechanical, is positive in
results. There is scarcely a subject that cannot be examined beforehand, from
the available theoretical and practical data. The carrying out into practice of
a crude idea as is being generally done, is, I hold, nothing but a waste of
energy, money, and time.