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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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Cadman

Here. You can see a lot from this design version. Print it out and make cut-outs or draw it in your CAD,  just do it.

You will not understand this generator unless you understand the magnetic circuit and flux.

The 4 poles are NSNS, N to S to N to S every 90 degrees.

The flux circuits are loops from one exciter pole through the rotor to the outer stator and back through the rotor to an opposite pole then returning to the first pole through the armature.

The flux will flow in the path of least resistance and will divide proportionally from a N pole to the two adjacent S poles. The longer the path is, the more resistance it encounters and that includes size of air gaps and length of the path through iron. You don't have to be accurate to the decimal place, where the majority of the flux goes will be obvious to see as you rotate the iron and adjust the flow proportions according to the magnetic circuit resistances.

Rote the iron rotor and draw the magnetic circuit flux lines. Note how and when they change and where they go to. Do it. The flux is the heart and soul of it.

The winding in the drawing is one phase of a three phase winding. Slot #1 is the start of the first black line at about 11:00. Move the starting position around and note how the magnetic circuit will influence it as the rotor moves.

The winding layout is included in a pdf. This winding is not the one Syair used but it is educational. Experiment with different windings. Keep track of the electrical current direction as things move. It will be toward you or away from you in the slot at the end of each colored line.
Vary the size and shape of the exciter poles and the rotor irons and see how that changes everything.
Think about where you want the flux to go and when you want it to go there.
Determine for yourself if this design is even suitable for a 3 phase gen or is 1 phase the best way to go.


Jimboot


Stefan does your forum software have a "like" button?

Quote from: Cadman on November 22, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
So here we are. Another thread derailed before any meaningful discussions or tests are done with the original design.

Instead all the experts have weighed in and denounced it as a hoax and now we see "replications" that have no resemblance to the actual device proposed.


Tell us, all you 'experts' and replicators:

What is the pole arc of the exciters?

What is the pole pitch of the iron rotors?

What is the ratio of pole arc to pole pitch? Is it the same for both the exciters and rotors?

How many stator coil slots are there? How many are used?

What winding pattern is used in the stator for either 1 phase or 3 phase?

Where is slot #1 of the stator winding in relation to a stationary exciter pole? Is that important?

Does the winding start above a N or S pole? Does it start as clockwise or counter clockwise? Does it matter?

How many degrees does the iron rotate before the polarity flips?

Does the rotating iron flip polarity while it is influencing a coil loop? If it does then how many coil sides of how many loops are affected? One, or more than one? How would that affect the output?

None of you know the answers because you haven't designed or tested anything resembling the concept of the original device.


Yet we are being told by the experts here that it can't work, it's obviously a scam, and others are claiming to possess confidential information and know the secret of why it works.

Bah!

Now go on, ignore what I wrote. Build something that doesn't resemble the original and prove that it doesn't work.

ARMCORTEX

T-1000, where is the thread and images you speak of, the cad drawings.

Cadman, how is the st-series of motor wound according to you.

An unmodified one stator of a chinese motor presented here will be my starting point.

These words by Syar lead me to conclusion that this is a motor as well, how to make it so, ''BEMF actually helps rotation'' ?




Cadman

Quote from: ARMCORTEX on November 22, 2014, 08:52:47 PM
Cadman, how is the st-series of motor wound according to you.

I wish I knew for certain. All I do know is that it is two parallel single phase 110V windings and the one in Syair's second video has 45 stator slots and 5 of them are empty. I stumbled onto a Chinese patent for a stator winding yesterday that might be for these generators, it said each coil is identical and wound in a way that minimizes the amount of copper used. I don't know if I can find it again as I was on lunch at work. I know that sounds like a cop-out but it's true. I'll check the browser history when I get back to work.

If you or anyone here has one of these single phase ST generators and would chart out the coil layout for us I'm sure a lot of people here would find it useful. The ST winding configuration could even be crucial to the success of this gen.


d3x0r

Quote from: Cadman on November 22, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
I wish I knew for certain. All I do know is that it is two parallel single phase 110V windings and the one in Syair's second video has 45 stator slots and 5 of them are empty. I stumbled onto a Chinese patent for a stator winding yesterday that might be for these generators, it said each coil is identical and wound in a way that minimizes the amount of copper used. I don't know if I can find it again as I was on lunch at work. I know that sounds like a cop-out but it's true. I'll check the browser history when I get back to work.

If you or anyone here has one of these single phase ST generators and would chart out the coil layout for us I'm sure a lot of people here would find it useful. The ST winding configuration could even be crucial to the success of this gen.
ya including the inner 4 coils...