Gravity powered water generator

[lancaIV]

Yes,there are many water falls and dams worldwide,natural and artificial.

The biggest falls under water,with falling heights up to several thousands meters and huge water mass : beside Groenland/Gibraltar.

                                    But there are several doubts about mobility and portability .

To get a water powered engine http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm is not the problem,
to get a complete energy transforming device,
which gives a "total system OU-performance" under generator/consumer no-load/half-/full-load and poor bemf is more complex,
including the load inrush current phase.


"How get the electron gas (= Plasma,electricity) stimulated to reach a total system OU break-even !?? "
L.A.S.E.R.,M.A.S.E.R.

What happens on the surface from photo-/phono-voltaic cells and on/in the npn pnp-layer ? chain reaction : electron gas flow

What happens on/in a coil/foil (un-/treated(coated) ?

[Brutus]

Webby1, Low Q, Lanca IV:  Thank you all for engaging in very compelling  dialog.  I appreciate all your learned impute.  I could not even begin to challenge your obvious intellectual prowess.  I  have just been stating from a plain ordinary idea,  the thought processes of my idea.  I value all your discussion on the merits and the scientific and also mathematical  problems and in analyzing this assembly.  Culminating,  in a consensus  of all of you as to the non-workability of this idea. 
Sorry but I don't think you have addressed the points I have been making as to why this process works.  You keep saying how I can't create a power  source which can self maintain.  Tell that to the guy with the tank generator I mentioned earlier.  He is using gravity to fall through a pipe with 30 plus in line generators which gives him 4,000 watts of power and only needs one pump to send it back to restart.  According to thx1138's rendition at the same post. 
I guess the only way to really see is to build it.  I promise when I do I will come back and give you the verdict good or bad. 
I have given as many explanations as I can to let you understand the process and I don't think you got it.  The unit is functioning fully (completely self running at the point of start up) to all degrees and the generated power just has to cover necessary losses.  No math as yet has convinced me otherwise.  So 5.5K to run 5k sounds good but the energy is not to the point of doing that.   I already have the power running, it just supplements it.  More later.

[Brutus]

To All"   I will try to explain this as simply  as I can and as I have envisioned it.   
Forget the water buckets for now.  I am starting with a set of weights, separated by a little bit from each other.  I am using those weights to force a step up gear system to run a generator at optimal speed so as to maximize the output power.   I am getting say 5,000 watts from this driving weight to electrical power ratio.  As long as the weight stays the same I will be running the generator the same speed and the power output will remain the same.  Now when the first weight  gets to the bottom it must be sent back to the top and reapplied to the system to continue the same operative functions, and the power to do that is built into the system through the weights already on the rotating line.  It has all the weight it needs on one side to make every thing run and enough weight to also bring the bottomed out weight back up to the top on the other side with a fast motion so no loss in rotation from weighted side has occurred.   Perfectly balanced and choreographed motion.
  Now In my perfectly balanced system I would not need any power to send the weight back up to the top because it would already be in the initial weight plan allowing for that motion to occur.  Thus, at that point it would be self rotation (or self sustaining).  But, since I have losses, which all of you have pointed out, being caused by the "work", (such as drag from the gears, chains, bearings, gravity, etc.) the system must be supplemented to compensate for those losses to keep the system operating  or the weights will not be able to keep up with the losses and the operation will slowly come to a stop. 
Now enters  the generator which is steadily putting out 5,000 watts of power with nothing to do.  Just wasting away.  I propose to utilize that power to compensate the losses of the system By having it add as much more weight to the system as it should need to keep it moving at its designated speed.  (say for imaginative purposes, filling  a bag of sand or whatever at the moment of need and adding it to the weighted side).
So I have adjusted my first balanced system plan to allow for your imputed must do's.   ( Though to be honest, my simple brain cannot figure out why if the system is running itself throughout the whole process from the use of the weights why I would need to compensate anything.  It is already functioning through the full cycle). Repetitively from the weights.    I see that if I used the generator power I might get a drag effect from that as it try's to slow down from the draw.  That's one you might know of. 
Like I said in earlier post there are generators no with little or no cogging effect.  But if that was already built into the weights at start up then that would not be a factor. 
So I just don't get why you say it can't work. 
Say I was pulling a lunch wagon.  If he never fed me I would eventually have to stop.  But if the man kept feeding me I could keep pulling the wagon.   And If I could not pull the wagon due to not having enough muscle I would just add more muscle.    Same principle.

P.S.  I used the word conservative as in "preservative",  Not to use any more than is necessary to do a function.  And also to find the most efficient methods and materials available to create as little drag  on the system as possible.
Webby1:
Back to the water buckets. 
Your idea of just one pump is very practical and (conservative).  I could have enough starting weight driving the system to allow for more water going back up than necessary and just bleed off the unnecessary amount  and there by sustain the system without stealing from the generators power.   

Water is easy to work with.  So I chose water to power the system through a bucket conveyor.  It is easier than moving solid materials.  I can put any amount of water into a bucket system and have as much torque as I need for driving any "work" I need to.   I used a Rope pump assemble  to draw water to the top to resupply the bucket system, also being powered by the bucket system.  So if I need more water to maintain the system at any point I feel I could just add more water weight in the buckets to power the extra need at the start.  Like I said it all starts with more than enough water driving force to supply the motion of the assembly.  The buckets also are driving the step up gears which in turn are driving the generator.  So all the power from the buckets are driving the entire system completely.  AND a little extra water coming to the top from the initial power drive to enable fine tuning the systems needs. 
So if you say it won't work then we stand at a point of disagreement, only a build will cure. 
     

[fritznien]

put some real numbers on your device.
what energy you get from a descending weight,
what it will take to reset that weight.

[Acca]

I gave up on this 4 years ago.. and so it's back .. I hope it will work as to "your" formulation...

Why the GAIA ROSCH buoyancy power plant
(kinetic power plant) will never work



http://gaia.ws1.eu/mmr_en.php


http://gaia.ws1.eu/index_en.php

http://www.overunity.de/1797/rosch-auftriebskraftwerk-gaia-auftriebs-kraftwerk-wie-es-funktioniert/3585/

Acca..

p.s. It's the numbers ...that are real..

However if you use a permanent magnet rotor generator China type.. Strange effects happen ... Who knows ?? [/font]