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Magnet force shield

Started by Floor, January 21, 2017, 11:14:49 AM

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norman6538

Referring back to this drawing.... "Magnet force shield 2.PNG"

If you pull the magnet straight out from the drawing toward  you there is little effort required to  release the repel force and you can then reset/
another repel force by pushing it back where it was and easily sliding the moved magnet back into its repel position where it can be repeated. 

Floor you really have something this time. I'll work up something with
work in and work out measurements but the further weaker factor will
be a limiting factor.

But it seems that when the magnets are attracting then to turn the attraction on and off
you slide the magnet up or down.

Norman




Floor

@ norman6538

Those particular PNG drawings are intended only to show the principle of
the "shielding" in its most basic form.

They are intended to show that the "shield" magnet is easily
installed / removed, but are not intended to demonstrate
a cyclical operation.

The magnetic polar aliments are easily confusing. I some times
need to hold my magnets directly in front of the drawings
in order to make certain that I am setting things up correctly.

Note that,  two magnet can under some conditions stick together
LIKE POLE TO LIKE POLE. 
         because
At very close distances domain and individual atomic magnetic alignments
can flip within the magnets.  This may cause minor stickiness during withdrawal
of the "shield" magnet.
               also
If the magnets used are of a greatly different gause, this can utterly wreck the
interactions.  e.g. don't use neo magnets and ceramic magnets in the same
device.

                           regards

Floor

@ ConradElectro

You misquoted me 4 times in your last post as  "magnetic shield".
                       listed here below are those 4 misquotes.

Quotes from ConradElectro

1. I told the standard answer to a "magnetic shield". "

2. "The easiest way to conclusively prove that a "magnetic shield" is what you are claiming,..."

3. "The "magnetic shield" in a permanent magnet motor is the equivalent to turning of or reducing
the current in a motor with coils at certain times during a revolution."

4. "There is no "magnetic shield" in the sense you are claiming."

End Quotes

                                          I HAVE NOT CLAIMED A  "magnetic shield"  AT ALL !

Magnet force shield is the title of this topic.

Magnet force shield 1, 2 and 3 are the labels on the 3 PNG drawing sets.

                                                        I have used the following phrases...

magnetic force shield

shield magnet

"shield magnet"
                                                     and
"The center magnet or magnets IN EFFECT provide as force shield between the two outer magnets."
                                        (this should read as  (provide a force shield)
...

Don't bother to make argument that the distinctions
I point out in in the phrasings are insignificant.

                                            As I said previously, you have simply not
                                            understood the interactions illustrated in
                                                                 the drawings.

The shield magnet or magnets in combination with the normal force,  prevent the magnetic force
from acting along specific lines (as illustrated).

And yes this does make it possible to get very much MORE WORK AND / OR ENERGY OUT OF
THESE INTERACTIONS THAN IS PUT INTO THEM.


1.  Either explain to me the interactions as I have illustrated them, as proof that you
do understand their statements.
                         or
2.  Ask me questions specific to the drawings / the interactions.

Don't post this redundant nay saying trash.  It's not even specific to the drawings
or interactions illustrated.....           It is off topic.   

Otherwise there is no real discussion of the topic by you, only disruption.

I won't accept another apology from you on this matter.  Just stop disrupting /
misdirecting and make relavent comments or don't post here.

                                     good day sir
                                               floor

conradelektro

Quote from: Floor on January 23, 2017, 09:53:30 PM
@ ConradElectro

1.  Either explain to me the interactions as I have illustrated them, as proof that you
do understand their statements.
                         or
2.  Ask me questions specific to the drawings / the interactions.

Don't post this redundant nay saying trash.  It's not even specific to the drawings
or interactions illustrated.....           It is off topic.   

Otherwise there is no real discussion of the topic by you, only disruption.

I won't accept another apology from you on this matter.  Just stop disrupting /
misdirecting and make relavent comments or don't post here.

                                     good day sir
                                               floor

I just repeated the textbook answers because you seem not to know them. I do not have to prove textbook answers, just read a good book.

To the contrary, you have to prove that you have found an anomaly. And you have to make sure that your proof is understandable. It would be an endless and hopeless task to talk about every misconception and crackpot idea out there. I am not your teacher, but you become some sort of teacher when making extraordinary claims. You want to be believed.

I am making no claims, I just offer the little wisdom I have. Of course I am not prepared to put any real work into whatever obviously contradicts known science. I would put in some work and money if extraordinary proof were offered, e.g. a self running permanent magnet motor.

http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm

I will not write any more in this thread. So, your ideas are save from me. Extraordinary claims invite harsh criticism, get used to it. You are the weirdo who wants the world to listen. So, provide something believable. I am not defending known science, there are thousands of good books and courses doing this job. You are up against 200 years of research, not against me. What you are talking about are common misconceptions, done hundreds of times before. You are entitled to do whatever you want and I am entitled to criticize. "Magnetic force shields" would have been discovered long ago if they existed. Get used to the fact that there are and were millions of people more clever than you (and me), who drove science along. A bit more self reflection and modesty.

Greetings, Conrad

norman6538

Why do we have to get into these "ego battles"? And why is the keyboard so much more used than the workbench? I have very primitively tested the idea and now am at
the workbench making a measurable setup to see for myself. Why doesn't anyone else
do the same?   It must be a disease.......

Get your butt out to the workbench and see for yourself...



Norman