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Single Wire Tests

Started by duff, October 31, 2007, 03:42:00 AM

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Jdo300

#180
January 30, 2008, 05:06:38 AM
Bruce,

I want to duplicate the experiment with the coil that you and Thaelin saw. Could you post a diagram just for that including where the ground lines for the function generators go? If it is just the picture from your first diagram, do the grounds from the two separate sources connect to each other, or is this some kind of one-wire setup? What frequencies did you use, and were they sine waves or square waves? Also, could you post some information about the coil that you were posting (type of wire, rough number of turns, etc). I'll try and duplicate the experiment.

God Bless,
Jason O

Jdo300

#181
January 30, 2008, 05:52:13 AM
Hello Everyone,

I just came across an interesting tidbit of information about phase inversion (which Steven talked about). I think I see why it is important to have two signals running against each other in the same wire! Look at this article about audio amps:

http://www.tubecad.com/june99/page10.html

God Bless,
Jason O

Bruce_TPU

#182
January 30, 2008, 07:40:10 AM
Hello Jason,

Here are the details of my experiment and also the coil http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36995.html#msg36995

But, before you wind that coil, I am convinced you will see this on any coil.  So I would strongly suggest using one of your existing coils first, before putting the effort into winding this one. 

The key is to make sure that each frequency gen has a different power source, that the signals are identical, no deviation, and that they are slightly out of phase of one another.  60 volts or more would be best, if you are set up for that.

I hope that helps. 

Cheers my friend,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

BEP

#183
January 30, 2008, 07:59:15 AM
Jason,

Any common point between the two sources is slf defeating - ground or otherwise.

The more sure way to see this effect is to have two separate FET drivers circuits, each with its own battery suppy (not power supply) and opto or otherwise isolated inputs. Then you could use a two channel freek genny.

The best way to see the result is not with a scope probe but with a magnetic pickup like a coil or Hall Effect probe - better yet a secondary coil off the tested primary. The phase offset can be zero initially - this will cause the collision in the center of the coil (if all else is perfect). A phase inversion (in classical AC terms) will cause cancellation of the voltage.
Two Pulses (DC) of the same frequency hitting the opposite ends of the coil at the same time should meet in the middle. The potential should not be cancelled - only the magnetic field as the two magnetic fields are inverted polarity to one another.
A phase difference with only two signals will only cause the collision point to move on a solenoid coil. Now do the same on a toroidal coil and you have a cat chasing its tail.

Jdo300

#184
January 30, 2008, 08:11:34 AM
Hi BEP,

Ahhh that makes perfect sense there. Now the only thing I'm wondering is weather it works better with coils a many turns or few turns. When I think about what is happening here, I am tempted to say that it would be a longitudinal wave traveling, and therefore a few loose windings with some spacing would be good, but then again, I'm also thinking about the idea of building up a large magnetic field, (or canceling it all together) which could go either way... What are your thoughts on this?

God Bless,
Jason O
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