Where will the energy come from, to run a Magnet Motor?

[Omega_0]

May be the answer lies here :

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/052303.htm

[IronShell3d]

May be the answer lies here :

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/052303.htm

Hi Omega_0,

To the best of my knowledge neither Bearden nor Johnson have every achieved an operational OU device. So why give this document any relevance?

The magnetic field interactions Bearden talks about for Johnson's devices as just that. Talk. They do not exist in reality.

However the spinning and rotating 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons which gives the Iron atom it's external magnetic field do exist and the energy stored there by our sun can be tapped for energy, made to to external work and then turned into heat

IronShell3d

[IronShell3d]

How can we do that? How can we tap the "4 unpaired shell 3d electrons"? 

Hi Chef,

Imagine a solenoid with a ferrite rod inserted into it's central core.

Now apply a Dc voltage and resord the micro second by microsecond current consumed as the external magnetic field builds from zero to the max strength. During this process energy was drawn from the Dc power source in 3 forms:

1) Energy that is now stored in the magnetic field.

2) Energy that was lost to resistance heating in the solenoid wiring.

3) Energy that was lost to mechanical domain alignment inside the ferrite.

The final magnetic field strength (B) is based on the strength of the H field produced by the solenoid times (amp turns per meter) the magnetic permeability of the ferrite.

Overall most of the energy went into the external magnetic field but we do know that the power supply was required supply the energy that was lost in resistance heating of the solenoid wire and the energy that was lost in causing the mechanical realignment of the ferrite's internal magnetic domains.

BTW you can detect this mechanical realignment happening by placing a coil attached to an amplifier and speaker around one end of a ferrite rod and moving a magnet across the other end. It is called Barkhausen noise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_effect

Now take a ring magnet with a internal core sized as the above solenoid and sized to produce an equivalent H field in the centre of the ring magnet. Then place the same ferrite rod into the centre of the ring magnet. If you get the H field about the same, you will get around the same B field.

This means something needed to provide the additional external B field energy that results and also to supply the energy lost during the mechanical domain alignment in the ferrite.

That something is the zillions of shell 3d unpaired electrons of the Iron atoms in the magnet and the ferrite.

Is it possible to extract shell 3d energy via magnet to magnet interactions such as in pure magnet motors? I do not believe this is possible.

It is possible to extract shell 3d energy via magnet to ferrite interactions. Yes it is.

IronShell3d

[IronShell3d]

IronShell3d

I understand your example, but I really didn't get your point. Please explain in more depth, how do you think is possible to convert the stored energy from  the "4 unpaired shell 3d electrons" to usable way.

Hi Chef,

Energy is energy. Scaling up how much we can tap is, well maybe, another issue. Not impossible as we know it is there and can be tapped.

Just maybe going for rotary system is not going in the right direction? Maybe heat generation is a better pathway?

IronShell3d

[lumen]

Magnets can make other magnets without loss to itself. Is this not already doing some work?
This might be a good place to start looking.

Theory example:
Suppose two strong magnets are moving in space and each is surrounded with heavy copper rings in close proximity to the moving magnets. As they approach the other they attract and the field stretches to reach the other pulling the field away from the copper. But the field is retained in the copper and attracts to the others approaching copper rings field. As the field dies out in the copper ring, the attraction is lost and the entire event had a greater attraction than the force needed to pull the magnets apart.
Once separated, the magnets set up the field once again in the copper ring at no cost.