Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MileHigh]

Brad:

I am going to make a posting here to respond to your and other's misconceptions.  It's going to be an exercise in reality and fact checking.  This is for the benefit of yourself and other readers.

>>> that means that the direction of flow of the E field around the outside of the inner winding must be opposite to the flow direction of the E field on the inside of the inner windings.

If I understand you, you are making an assumption with no foundation in fact.  For the E field, the only thing that counts is what is going on on the inside of the winding.  You can ignore everything that's going on on the outside of the winding.  You never read anything about flux activity outside a winding inducing EMF in the winding.

>>> In order to get the magnetic domains in a magnetic material to switch faster (increase flux velocity) what must we do?

You are still talking velocity and you mention it several times.  To get the magnetic domains to switch faster in a core you increase the voltage across the coil - it's an inductor.  You should try to eliminate all concepts of velocity when you try to visualize what is taking place.

>>> this B field enters the outside of the core,and converges toward the center of the core-->it dose not just appear throughout the core simultaneously

Any notion of a "migrating" B field moving through a core is absolutely wrong.  For all practical intents and purposes, it does appear throughout the core simultaneously.  Again, it's just an inductor and for a constant voltage applied across the coil terminals, the B field will slowly ramp up just like it will do in an air core inductor.

>>> This B field wave is concentrated more and more the closer it gets to it's converging point at the center of the core,where both the field strength and flux density is at it's highest.

You mention "wave" a few times to describe B field activity in the core and it is 100% wrong.  You should remove that from your visualization of what is taking place completely.

Yes, the B field intensity can vary as the radius varies, but that has nothing to do with "waves."

>>> we get to see the time it takes the magnetic field  to reach the inner secondary. This also shows us that the field dose not appear throughout the core instantly.

"Does not appear throughout the core instantly" plays into the notion of "waves" again.  You need to completely eliminate these ideas from your visualization of what's going on.  Effects that you are referring to happen at nearly the speed of light.  You are playing with a transformer at 10 KHz, all speed-of-light effects can be completely ignored.  They are all simply instantaneous as far as you are concerned.  This is a fundamental fact that you must understand and master.  Simply forget about the speed of light and look at your scope display.

>>> It would be nice if we could see how the magnetic flux actually travels through a toroid core, but if the velocity must remain constant, I can assure you based on just the geometry alone, it doesn't take a basic orbital path.  It must circulate around the core as it travels through the core.

Flux does not literally circulate.  We just say that it circulates to make it easier to discuss and we are always concerned with the direction of the flux.  All notions of flux literally circulating in a core are absolutely wrong - nothing circulates at all.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Look at the three attached simple diagram of a toroidal coil.  It could have a core or not.

Pretend that when you see white that means there is no current flow and no stored energy.  When you see pink there is moderate current flow and a small amount of stored energy.  When you see red there is a large current flow and a large amount of stored energy.

The entire toroid can change from white to pink to red.  It all happens simultaneously.  There is no "flowing flux" there are no "waves," nothing like that at all.  It's just a device that stores magnetic energy, period.  Think of it like some kind of glowing toroidal orb, where the brighter it is the more energy it is storing.

It is all simultaneous - there is no nothing - no waves - no flow - nothing.  Just a device that stores energy and it has electrical inertia in an identical way that a mechanical flywheel has mechanical inertia.

If you can visualize that, that may help dispel the endless mumbo-jumbo talk about inductors.

[Pirate88179]

Look at the three attached simple diagram of a toroidal coil.  It could have a core or not.

Pretend that when you see white that means there is no current flow and no stored energy.  When you see pink there is moderate current flow and a small amount of stored energy.  When you see red there is a large current flow and a large amount of stored energy.

The entire toroid can change from white to pink to red.  It all happens simultaneously.  There is no "flowing flux" there are no "waves," nothing like that at all.  It's just a device that stores magnetic energy, period.  Think of it like some kind of glowing toroidal orb, where the brighter it is the more energy it is storing.

It is all simultaneous - there is no nothing - no waves - no flow - nothing.  Just a device that stores energy and it has electrical inertia in an identical way that a mechanical flywheel has mechanical inertia.

If you can visualize that, that may help dispel the endless mumbo-jumbo talk about inductors.

Sort of like a flux battery?  Now, if we can make the Flux Capacitor, we would really have something, ha ha.

Bill

[tinman]

Brad:

I am going to make a posting here to respond to your and other's misconceptions.  It's going to be an exercise in reality and fact checking.  This is for the benefit of yourself and other readers.

>>> that means that the direction of flow of the E field around the outside of the inner winding must be opposite to the flow direction of the E field on the inside of the inner windings.

If I understand you, you are making an assumption with no foundation in fact.  For the E field, the only thing that counts is what is going on on the inside of the winding.  You can ignore everything that's going on on the outside of the winding.  You never read anything about flux activity outside a winding inducing EMF in the winding.

>>> In order to get the magnetic domains in a magnetic material to switch faster (increase flux velocity) what must we do?



>>> this B field enters the outside of the core,and converges toward the center of the core-->it dose not just appear throughout the core simultaneously

Any notion of a "migrating" B field moving through a core is absolutely wrong.  For all practical intents and purposes, it does appear throughout the core simultaneously.  Again, it's just an inductor and for a constant voltage applied across the coil terminals, the B field will slowly ramp up just like it will do in an air core inductor.

>>> This B field wave is concentrated more and more the closer it gets to it's converging point at the center of the core,where both the field strength and flux density is at it's highest.

You mention "wave" a few times to describe B field activity in the core and it is 100% wrong.  You should remove that from your visualization of what is taking place completely.



>>> we get to see the time it takes the magnetic field  to reach the inner secondary. This also shows us that the field dose not appear throughout the core instantly.

"Does not appear throughout the core instantly" plays into the notion of "waves" again.  You need to completely eliminate these ideas from your visualization of what's going on.  Effects that you are referring to happen at nearly the speed of light.  You are playing with a transformer at 10 KHz, all speed-of-light effects can be completely ignored.  They are all simply instantaneous as far as you are concerned.  This is a fundamental fact that you must understand and master.  Simply forget about the speed of light and look at your scope display.

>>> It would be nice if we could see how the magnetic flux actually travels through a toroid core, but if the velocity must remain constant, I can assure you based on just the geometry alone, it doesn't take a basic orbital path.  It must circulate around the core as it travels through the core.

Flux does not literally circulate.  We just say that it circulates to make it easier to discuss and we are always concerned with the direction of the flux.  All notions of flux literally circulating in a core are absolutely wrong - nothing circulates at all.

MileHigh

You are still talking velocity and you mention it several times.  To get the magnetic domains to switch faster in a core you increase the voltage across the coil - it's an inductor.  You should try to eliminate all concepts of velocity when you try to visualize what is taking place.

MH
You are talking double dutch.
You say-To get the magnetic domains to switch faster in a core you increase the voltage across the coil .
As i said,you increase the field strength of the inducer.

To switch faster:
Velocity--> rate of change
Velocity--> Velocity is defined as the rate of change of position with respect to time,

Yes, the B field intensity can vary as the radius varies, but that has nothing to do with "waves."

Quote:  a waveform that represents periodic oscillations in which the amplitude of displacement at each point is proportional to the sine of the phase angle of the displacement.

So a question for you MH.
We know that the inner secondary produces double(there abouts) the voltage to that of the applied voltage to the primary. So using your theory-->if i use the inner secondary as the primary,and apply that same alternating voltage across it,will
1-the !now!outer secondary will produce twice the voltage of the inner primary
2-produce the same voltage of the inner primary-or
3-produce half the voltage of the inner primary?.

If I understand you, you are making an assumption with no foundation in fact.  For the E field, the only thing that counts is what is going on on the inside of the winding.

You will have to disregard your above statement in order to answer my above question,as it is false in this situation if we are to believe that it is the E field which produces an EMF in the secondary.

[tinman]

Sort of like a flux battery?  Now, if we can make the Flux Capacitor, we would really have something, ha ha.

Bill

You can now build your own flux capacitor Bill.

http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms/Elec_FluxCap.html