Electrinium

[nievesoliveras]

Hi!

@Gary
I made a lot of tests with different materials including a bycicle rubber tube. But only wraping the magnet keeper with an empty pack of aluminum from soda crackers and placing a piece of paper between the horseshoe magnet and a pice of aluminum held in place by the wrapped magnet, I could get 0.15dcv that held for a few seconds and then went down to 0.8vdc and held for few seconds and then went down to 0.02vdc and stayed there.

Jesus

[hypersoniq]

What is the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?

Mostly packing a few GeV while the more powerful ones hit the TeV to PeV range! They zip along right below the speed of light.

[resonanceman]

If you have two neomagnets and wedged inbetween them is a piezo crystal would the pressure induce a current?   

Sparks

Interesting  idea .
My first thought was that  the only  flow that the  piezo  crystal  would make would be when  it was  first  squeezed  by the magnets .

Then  I remembered that the  piezo effect works  both ways .    The  crystal  would expand and contract   if an  AC  voltage was applied .   
There would  have to  be  a resonant frequency  for  the device . 

This  device would clearly  be  under unity  because  of the AC  voltage needed to drive it.
I don't think it would take much  power  to drive the  device .  It  would probably  require  fairly high  voltage  if a  thick  piezo crystal was used.


Now ....... what  if a tuned  LC circuit was added ?
The  capacitance  of the  magnet and  crystal  would probably  have to be  used as part of the capacitance of the LC circuit .  It  would be ideal if the  capacitance of the  magnet /crystal  was high enough to be  the  primary  capacitance for the LC circuit .
Maybe a  row  of the  devices  would  be a way to  increase the   capacitance  enough.



It is  possible  that  when hit  with  a voltage pulse  BOTH  the  magnet/crystal  and the  LC circuit would  ring for  a  specific  amount of time ......each one  hitting the other  with  positive  reinforcement  at  the right time.   

I  have never heard of  anyone  using  a  magnet / crystal   vibrator   as a capacitor in  an LC  circuit  before. 

There are lots of variables  in making this..... some of them  like  the  resonance of the  magnet / crystal  will change  depending on how  it is  used.      an example .......if a row of the devices  is needed   to reach the  right  capacitance  placing  iron  bars across  the  ends of the magnets would help keep them  working  together .........but would  change the  resonant frequency .


A  little  quirk  of LC circuits that  I don't think has been  exploited before.

A magnetic field  is  created in  the coil  as   the circuit  resonates .
As far as I know this  magnetic  field is   just part  of how it  a coil works ......the actual  magnetic  field is not considered  work
If  a coil  was wound  with  a group of wires and only one  wire was used  for the  required LC inductance   the  magnetic  field  would be induced  through ALL the  wires . 
If   each  winding   was   used for  tuned LC circuits   if one  was  set into resonance  ALL of them  would  be set into resonance . 

I would like to add that a mistake that  I think people tend to make  when trying to use  resonant circuits  with  OU  they try to  tap to much energy.

Resonance is a vibration .   vibrations are easy to dampen.
Assuming  we  got a self sustaining  resonance  at  lets say  100 V    we would  be lucky to be able to tap  a couple of   volts  without  dampening   the  vibration  enough to loose resonance .

My  plan would  be to  wind a coil  with  8 or 10 parallel  wires  then using 1 wire for  output .


gary   

[resonanceman]

some very interesting thoughts have gone into this thread, but i myself have some serious problems with the original .pdf - its contents, and thereby - the theoretical device presented by the author....

The authors understanding of the nature of the atomic structure,  the earth, the sun and the
universe itself are completely innacurate, and incorrect in many ways. 

As for this device, or "unit" -  what he speaks of, is essentally: an Electret, or series of electrets.
  which we already know, do not form into a 'usable battery' in the way proposed by the .pdf
in certain arrangements, electrets can be charged similar to a capacitor, but deplete very rapidly.

someone wasted a great deal of time writing this......

sm0ky

Are you assuming that  what you  know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things? 
Is there any possibility   that  what you were taught  about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?

One of the things that  I like about the " theorys " in the PDF is that they  strongly imply  the unity  of all .   
I have found  in my own life that there is an invisable  connection  between all things .   
Much of  humanitys  problems  are because  in general  we don't  believe in that connection.


gary

[Koen1]

@Gary: although I appreciate your conviction that there is
somehow a hidden "unity", an invisible connection as you call it,
that does not change the fact that the Electrinium pdf is
very shakey at best.

But I've been saying so for ages and have been taking flak for that
from Drannom ever since I dared to point out the discrepancies
in the pdf instead of declaring it the biggest breakthrough since
the invention of fire like he has been doing...
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.

Just a quick recap of my opinion of mr Summera's theory:
Even is you leave his view of the solar system aside, his story
about the Electrinium unit is inconsistent, and despite his claims
of how simple it would be to build one, his final proposed prototype
is suddenly quite complex and not at all the simple unit he claimed
is possible, and even more remarkable is that it seems he was quite
far in the development and production of this protoype, yet in the
30 years since his device has never surfaced or even been rumoured
about... which does seem to imply that it was either never built,
or it was built but didn't work.
And to be honest, the latter would not surprise me at all, seeing that
mr Summera appears to have a had a view of atoms and their interactions
that simply does not accord with the extensive knowledge of atoms
and their QED interactions as science has refined it in the past decades.
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
Mr. Summera also seems to think that adding dopant to a conductor,
thereby producing zones in the bulk material that are relatively 'positively'
and 'negatively' polarised, will automatically (or if you prefer 'naturally')
cause any charges inside the conductor to flow along that bias path.
Although that does work in np-junctions in semiconductors, in conductors
it is a different story. There's a reason why we use semiconductors for diodes:
you can get semiconductor diodes to work on purely pn dopant differences,
but with non-semiconductors that's different.
And like I said, that's if we only look at the actual Electrinium part of the story.

It is good that a seperate Electrinium thread has been started,
at least that keeps this Electrinium crap out of our Crystal Cell thread.


Hope I haven't annoyed anyone too much...