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Lets please use common sense.

Started by nightlife, October 06, 2008, 10:02:21 PM

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utilitarian

Quote from: nightlife on October 11, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
utilitarian, any force is a energy just as any draw is a energy because you can not have either if a energy isn't present. Energy creates them and therefore they contain energy.

I do not follow.  Energy is force times distance.  So you can clearly have force but no energy, like when distance moved is zero. 

If force was energy like you say, then having a working gravity wheel would be child's play.  No harder than putting up a wind turbine and watching it spin under a continuous gust of wind.  But that is not how things are.  There are no "gravity waves".

RunningBare

nightlife
My technological education did not come from my school or any college, I learned by experimentation and then confirmed through text book, magnets even the most powerful ones contain very little energy, they are a relativistic force much like a spring, to get any work out of them you have to put work in, when you sweep a magnet past a coil, it is not transferring energy to the coil, it is creating a current flow in the wire by moving and aligning electrons within that wire but it can only do this while the magnet moves, as soon as the magnet stops the alignment ceases and no more current flow.

Magnetic spin does not mean particles spinning constantly in a magnet, it means they can be spun to change alignment  which of course takes energy, who'd of thunk it.

zerotensor

Quote from: utilitarian on October 15, 2008, 12:44:17 AM
I do not follow.  Energy is force times distance.  So you can clearly have force but no energy, like when distance moved is zero. 

If force was energy like you say, then having a working gravity wheel would be child's play.  No harder than putting up a wind turbine and watching it spin under a continuous gust of wind.  But that is not how things are.  There are no "gravity waves".

Not quite, utilitatian.  *Work* is force times distance.  Work has units of energy, but the two are not synonymous.  Energy in this context can be understood as the capacity to do work.

Force is mass times acceleration, so you can clearly not have a *net* force when distance is moved to zero.

Say you step up to a brick wall and push as hard as you can.  The wall doesn't move.  After a couple of minutes of this, you have expended a great deal of energy, however, there hasn't been any work done on the wall.  Where did the energy go?  It heated up your muscles, deformed your hands and feet, etc.  You could say you applied a force to the wall, but it pushed back with a force which exactly matched your push.  The two cancel.  Just as when you stand on the ground, the gravitational force pulls you down with the same strength as the earth pushes back.  Zero net force, zero work, but gravitational energy there all the while (balanced by the electrostatic energy which repels your feet from the ground).  It gets semantical after a while, but my point is that the distinction between work and energy is important to keep in mind. 

As for gravity waves, since I believe that the geometry of spacetime is dynamic, the existence of waves within this fabric is almost certain.  I actually think that a photon is a special kind of "wavelet" in the geometry of spacetime.  The geometry of spacetime underlies the phenomenon called gravity, so I guess in this context I have to disagree with you on the non-existence of gravity waves.  We see them all the time-- indeed without them we couldn't see at all!

nightlife

GeoscienceStudent, I am not sure why you asked me to do those experiments unless you wanted me to explain how they fall under my theory.
A high pressure and a low pressure is measured by the pressure above the pressure and they can be called a positive (High) and a negative (low). They are measured by the difference in the pressure on the top and the bottom. When the bottom is lower and the top is higher, you have a high pressure and when the bottom is high and the top is low, you have a low pressure. A upward vibrant flow creates a high pressure and a downward vibrant flow creates a low pressure.

As for the helium balloons, helium flows in the direction of the vibrance. heat is more vibrant the cold and therefore would rise in a heated room and would not in a cold room. Cold is a negative vibrant and heat is a positive vibrant.

As for the water bottles and balloons, one is filled with a positive vibrance and we all know that water splits into oxygen and hydrogen at the rate of 18 to 1 when a vibrance is added and therefore would expand in a air tight container. The cold water would not expand in a air tight container.

When you heat something up, it will contract because you are releasing vibrations, when you cool something down, it will expand because it is absorbing vibrations, but when air and gases are heated, they expand but they will contract when cooled and if cooled enough, they will contract into a liquid. This one reason why you find it to rain more at night around the equator then during the day.

Now for the homopolar motor, the energy is stored in the battery, the magnet draws the energy to together and do to neither poles being fixed to the wire, the wire will move and the direction it moves is based which pole the magnet is placed on.

So you see, my theory still holds.

nightlife

utilitarian, please refer to  zerotensor's last post because he explained a lot better then I ever could.