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Lets please use common sense.

Started by nightlife, October 06, 2008, 10:02:21 PM

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nightlife

RunningBare,
Quotewhen you sweep a magnet past a coil, it is not transferring energy to the coil, it is creating a current flow in the wire by moving and aligning electrons within that wire but it can only do this while the magnet moves, as soon as the magnet stops the alignment ceases and no more current flow.

  I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.

QuoteMagnetic spin does not mean particles spinning constantly in a magnet, it means they can be spun to change alignment  which of course takes energy, who'd of thunk it.

I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.

Raui

Nightlife, you say that those who use the term aether use it because we just can't figure out what energy is, much like people and god, however you talk about vibrations and my question to you is in which medium do these vibrations occur? Its only logical they require a medium and to say they don't is like the absolutely absurd notion that electromagnetic waves don't require a medium to travel.
Regards,
Raui
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RunningBare

Quote from: nightlife on October 15, 2008, 03:34:01 AM
RunningBare,  
  I disagree because if that was true, the wire would eventually use up all the so called electrons you are talking about. The magnet is used to create a vibration and the continued motion keeps the vibration vibrant and the faster the motion is applied, the more vibrant the vibration becomes.
Oh dear, firstly it takes about 16 years for a single electron to travel 1 foot length of wire, they are not used up, they are in essence recycled through a circuit the load, no circuit, no load, no movement, accept at the quantum level where the atoms are agitated by ambient temperatures.
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I don't recall a stating a magnetic spin consist of constantly spinning particles. I did say that magnets consist of two vibrations flowing in opposite directions that are attracted to the core of the magnet and when they collide in the middle, they create another vibration and that cycle continues until the vibrations fade away and or are absorbed by a substance the vibration has a attraction to.
I refer you to the spring, but I do not think your going to accept this anyway, so I'll leave you to it, good luck in finding that energy in a magnet, your going to need it.

Grumpy

If energy is in a magnet, then why is the "magnetic field" outside the magnet?

What is this "magnetic field"?  It appears as a region of space with certain properties, but how is it that empty space can have different properties?
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Marco:

I can't make heads or tails out of nightlife's explanations. Can you explain if he doesn't?

Or maybe it's still me.  I'll try again: 

Nightlife, when something contracts due to cold and slows down,  it becomes more dense.  One is relative to the other. CNG is simply a condensed form of natural gas.  It is also more dense than natural gas. LNG is more dense than gasous form of Natural gas.   When it heats up it expands and is less dense.  One is relative to the other.  But also depends on what it is made up of.  Oceanic plates are more dense than Continental plates, thus when they come against each other, the Oceanic will subduct under the Continental plate.  Cold air (with the water vapor) is more dense due to the kinetic energy thus it will lower.  And the heat (water vapor) will rise. (Now I'm talking about the wind cycle because the high altitudes of the Earth's atmosphere is cold.  The pressure is lower. It also has less water vapor.   Just take a ride in a biplane and see. Or you can be like me and go parachuting to have some fun). The barometric pressure measures the atmospheric mass.  And yes it does lower when you go higher.  You'll have trouble breathing up there, too. But I don't understand your flow explanation.  If the air is hot and rises, your lower pressure on the ground will be LoW and also the density and also the atmospheric mass.  If the Air is cooler, the air pressure on the ground will be HIGH, also the density, also the atmospheric mass.  Not due to the temperature.  Due to the density.  If air rises yes it lowers pressure as it is higher, but also cools down, and vice versa. Temperature and pressure are relative.  High temp would be higher pressure but for the atmospheric elevation, the temperature goes down, energy is released, and the pressure goes down, and so does the water vapor...down down down to the ground as a liquid.   Check out the meteorology report next time you see a high pressure front against a low pressure front and notice the temperatures.  Then notice where the rain is.  Then check the barometric pressure.    Convection causing transpiration and evaporation causes hot air to move upward.  As it reaches greater heights, it will cool down, (Kinetic energy lowers), condense into liquid  and release its water, causing rain, or snow.  As something goes from hot to cooler energy is released. Happens in water currents also. Water currents are warmer on top though, due to the sun,  and cooler below.  One current moves one direction, the other, the opposite.  There is some study to try to harness the energy released as the water goes from warm to cold.  .Precipitation cannot occur unless there is water in the air, and some way to cool that water (water vapor which can be higher in heat than in cold air). High latitudes where the air is cold has little moisture, thus little precipitation. Some places of low latitudes have little mechanism for cooling thus no precipitation even though there is water vapor, such as in some places in Peru. In orographic rain it moves up a mountain, cools, releases its water, then as it gusts downward on the other side it is dry because it already had released its water.  But we made it rain in class by lowering the temperature while it had a high humidity.  Fun watching rain droplets fall all over your books and equipment. (Especially while hitting each other with the psychrometer) The humidity was pretty high so the dew point (temperature at which you get rain relative to the humidity factor)  was high so we got rain at a pretty decent temperature. 

(Keep in mind, Earth also emits energy). But also there are Hadley cells moving the air to the lower or higher latitudes and according to the Corialis effect of the spin of the Earth.   Cooler air on the other side of these cells will fall, called the trade winds.   Between these cells, because there is another set of cells further up, is the horse latitudes or dead horse zone.  No WIND. NONE at all.  Sailors used to get trapped in these areas,  pray for the wind, and run out of food and water, start fighting, they would throw off their horses to lighten the load etc.  This is why the name "horse latitudes." Sailors wanted to follow the trade winds, not stagnation. These latitudes shift as the Earth revolves around the sun, causing the main reflection of the sun to move southward or northward, depending on where the Earth is at the time Tilt end North towards the sun vs tilt end South towards the sun or somewhere in between.  (Not the sun's movement, the Earth's movement)

A fun way to find the vapor pressure, relative humidity and temperature of the dew point is with a sling psychrometer, (dry and wet bulb thermometers) but don't do like we did and hit each other with it while twirling it around. A few reportedly got busted because they are made of glass. Oops.  :o
I don't think we're really disagreeing but your language and mine are not connecting.   "?Que' es?"    "Es un libro."  "No, no it's a book."  "No it's not, its a bundle of papers."  No, son papeles."  "No estupido, es de arboles."  "No, it's from trees."  "No tenga razo'n.  Es de la libreri'a."  "Liar, it's from the book store." "Esta' un burro.  Es un libro." "Daggone it!  I'm telling you, it's a book!"
Hydrogen and Oxygen splitting when water becomes gas?  Where are you getting this?  They are still water molecules in gas form. (water vapor)  Unless you're referring to an electrolysis process?

Hot causing contraction and Cold causing expansion?  In what way?  give an example.  Even metal will expand when heated.  Now when ice freezes it expands but that is due to another issue. Unless you're talking about when you burn something.  Or use energy to break something down such as proteins into amino acids in the body.


Now the battery:  Yes, that was my deduction, that the energy was due to the battery, not the magnet.  My next step is to test Dr. Adam's magnetic motor to see how long the lightbulb lasts, if it indeed lights.  I've had two hypothesis thrown at me: 
1)  The magnetic rotation will slow down once it is being used for energy source. ( a further one suggests losing magnetic pull of the magnets)
2)  You get large amounts of energy that lasts forever; free energy.  Then one would wonder why do magnets, although lasts a long time, not forever?  If something is causing them to not last, would say using them for energy make them last even less time?

I'm skeptical.  My brothers already tried it and said it didn't work. 
I've just got to order the right kind of magnets.

PS  Hope I didn't confuse anyone.  Pressure and temperature are relative.  Atmosphere elevation and pressure are inversely relative.  Density and mass into the equation, The colder higher density, high pressure air moving down against a low pressure lower density hot area causing wind.  All this is related to kinetic energy but the kinetic energy is related to the heat source of the sun (and some the Earth)
Next time we have a hurricane, study the pressure and temperature readings, and watch how the front moves. Now let's throw a jet stream in there and botch the whole thing up. :o