whats your gut feeling after watching this?...controlled demolition......or fire?.
not looking to start an argument or piss any one off, just your basic thoughts.
( yeah i know no matter what ya say ya cant please everyone, some people will get angry just because the sky is blue, and everyone knows its not, ).
Quote from: b0rg13 on August 25, 2008, 10:03:45 AM
whats your gut feeling after watching this?...controlled demolition......or fire?.
not looking to start an argument or piss any one off, just your basic thoughts.
( yeah i know no matter what ya say ya cant please everyone, some people will get angry just because the sky is blue, and everyone knows its not, ).
What ist to watch?
Dont see any link
helmut
Borg wheres the show?
Chet
Is this the short clip with 4 school busses with 200 or more people dressed in black wearing backpacks full of explosives running into the building killing all the witnesses in there way or see ?? Or is this the clip of the one witness out of hundreds that's going to spill the beans on the whole operation and snitch on who was responcible after "SEVEN" years. I love short clips and so did my dead freind that died on 911...................mad me..........nooooooooooo............... touchy.................... maybe
WOOPS! yup i didnt link the clip. here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1MIDF2XM4
sorry your feeling touchy Mr Cat, i hope youll feel better soon.
I like the shot of the cut steel beams being presented as proof that explosives were planted up on the impacted floors. The beams you see in the video were supporting some unstable debris....so they had to be cut down a few days after the attack so the fire and rescue workers toiling in the debris below would not be hit by falling objects. Also, as the pile of debris got smaller and smaller, the main support beams, still anchored in the bedrock below, were cut down in sections, lower and lower as the debris pile got smaller and smaller.
The two buildings compared in the vid are designed completely differently and the conditions could not be more different and yes a sloppy acetylene cut is nothing like a shape charge
Chet
Here's a serious look at the evidence..
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
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Hey I got a great photograph of all the 911 conspiracy experts .....
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi276.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk15%2Ffuzzytomcat%2Fheads_up.jpg&hash=6e1cd01f4ea4c99a6ff72fb0ecc49172edf313b6)
looking for all the money they can make off dead citizens !
Fuzzy
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on August 27, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
Hey I got a great photograph of all the 911 conspiracy experts .....
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi276.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk15%2Ffuzzytomcat%2Fheads_up.jpg&hash=6e1cd01f4ea4c99a6ff72fb0ecc49172edf313b6)
looking for all the money they can make off dead citizens !
Fuzzy
so the experts have there head up there butts?,.....maybe thats why the BS is continuing ../shrug
It is obvious from the feline's initial post that he has been deeply traumatized by the death of a close friend.
In this state he is incapable of critical judgement and easily suggestible to mental manipulation.
He somehow equates anyone who questions the "official government conspiracy theory" with an affront to the death of his friend.
Such an illogical association is typical of emotional traumatization.
In his present state, he is only capable of emotional responses, such as the photo he posted.
Therefore I would pay little attention to the annoying feline with shades, he needs time to heal.
Give him time and he may or may not come to his senses and develop critical thinking.
I would suggest Dr. Andy Warhola's MK911 video for a deeper understanding of his mental state.
It is tongue in cheek but gets the point across.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Dr.+Andy+warhola&emb=0&aq=f#
Part of the problem that the 911 truthers have these days is that their movement has fragmented into a number of factions, and the wackiness seems to increase tenfold with each iteration. For example, there are now "no planers" who believe that no airplanes were involved in the destruction of the WTC and the damage to the Pentagon. That's right, the live images we saw of the airliners crashing into the WTC were faked somehow. You just can't make this stuff up. :P
Quote from: HEYDUDE on August 28, 2008, 09:53:14 AM
It is obvious from the feline's initial post that he has been deeply traumatized by the death of a close friend.
In this state he is incapable of critical judgement and easily suggestible to mental manipulation.
He somehow equates anyone who questions the "official government conspiracy theory" with an affront to the death of his friend.
Such an illogical association is typical of emotional traumatization.
In his present state, he is only capable of emotional responses, such as the photo he posted.
Therefore I would pay little attention to the annoying feline with shades, he needs time to heal.
Give him time and he may or may not come to his senses and develop critical thinking.
I would suggest Dr. Andy Warhola's MK911 video for a deeper understanding of his mental state.
It is tongue in cheek but gets the point across.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Dr.+Andy+warhola&emb=0&aq=f#
I'm really sorry you think I'm mentally unstable..... unable to reason..........and need a deeper understanding...........and devolop critical thinking.
Do you know this person in the photo sounds as if you do ???
1) This web site is for overunity as far as I can tell gravity brought the building down not overunity this subject has no place here. A good site to use would be http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ if your into rumors.
2) It's fairly easy to protect ones self by any means and justify your actions what ever they are, but to belive that amongst us there are several hundred Charles Manson, Jeffery Dalmer types that go around killing thousands of there own people for any government let alone the USA is unbeliveable.
3) If it is what the so called experts say........... why so few people????? At this time in several areas known for decades such as nuclear storage facilities and nerve gas type WMD areas such as Hanford Wa. and Umitilla Or. to name a few, had little or no security in 2001. A really easy attack on these would have killed millions hands down not a mear 3,000 soles and the damage catistrofic ????
As far as Im concerned these experts are the same type of people that go to disaster areas selling a gallon of water or a bag of ice for $5.00 to someone starving and thursty.
Fuzzy
QuotePart of the problem that the 911 truthers have these days is that their movement has fragmented into a number of factions, and the wackiness seems to increase tenfold with each iteration. For example, there are now "no planers" who believe that no airplanes were involved in the destruction of the WTC and the damage to the Pentagon. That's right, the live images we saw of the airliners crashing into the WTC were faked somehow. You just can't make this stuff up. Tongue
The 911 truth movement is indeed splintered, and quite possibly by design.
"The best way to overcome or control the opposition is to become the opposition" don't remember who's quote, probably Machiavelli.
If one were commissioned by the gov. with the project to destroy 911 truth movements one could begin by creating websites that publish further and further outlandish theories until it gets nonsensical.
This is called
"poisoning the well" or "dropping a turd into the punchbowl".......no one will drink from it thereafter.
And some would say the gov. is not capable of such things because they are too stupid and disorganized?
As long as they dangle the likes of Bush before our eyes as "the best we can come up with" you will indeed the think this way.
But secrecy does exist in government e.g. consider the Manhatten project, a project that employed thousands of persons, all over the country, all compartmentalized, and kept so secret that even Harry Truman knew nothing of it untill he took office.
If some refuse to believe there is secrecy in government, then what are all these security clearances and levels classified information about?
The TV propaganda campaign to discredit anyone who questions authority began a long time ago.
Anyone who dare to think outside the box and express it becomes a tinfoil hat lunatic.
We are programmed and taught to ridicule such persons, and in this manner we police our own thinking.........and police each others thoughts.
Who are the brain police? Who are the programmers?.
Look no further than the owners of media, many of whom also happen to be giant suppliers and part of the "military industrial complex" GE, Westinghouse etc.
One could follow the money trail, this often leads to the usual suspects. Behind the layers of deception is more deception.
QuoteDo you know this person in the photo sounds as if you do Huh
I know that possibly only felines have a supple enough spine to pull of such a feat.
Quote from: HEYDUDE on August 28, 2008, 02:31:19 PM
The 911 truth movement is indeed splintered, and quite possibly by design.
"The best way to overcome or control the opposition is to become the opposition" don't remember who's quote, probably Machiavelli.
If I were commissioned by the gov. with the project to destroy 911 truth movements I would begin by creating websites that publish more and further outlandish theories until it gets nonsensical.
This is called "poisoning the well" or "dropping a turd into the punchbowl".......no one will drink from it thereafter.
And you say the gov. is not capable of such things because they are too dumb and disorganized?
??? No, I didn't say the government was incapable of such things. I don't think they need to bother, however, as it looks like the truthers are doing it for them. Do you have any evidence of government involvement in fake "truth" sites?
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As long as they dangle the likes of Bush before your eyes as "the best we can come up with" you will indeed the think this way.
Eh? Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had, IMO. He got into office without my help. I just don't think he had a hand in deliberately orchestrating 9/11.
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But secrecy does exist in government e.g. consider the Manhatten project that was kept so secret that even Harry Truman knew nothing of it untill he took office.
If you don't believe there is secrecy in government, then what are all these security clearances and levels classified information about?
Who said I don't believe there is secrecy in government?
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The TV propaganda campaign to discredit anyone who questions authority began a long time ago.
Anyone who dare to think outside the box and express it becomes a tinfoil hat lunatic.
We are programmed and taught to ridicule such persons, and in this manner we police our own thinking.........and police each others thoughts.
Who are the brain police? Who are the programmers?.
Look no further than the owners of media, many of whom also happen to be giant suppliers and part of the "military industrial complex" GE, Westinghouse etc.
I would follow the money trail, this often leads to the usual suspects. Behind the layers of deception is more deception.
This is all very general. I would suggest it's best to focus on specific questions that you can address by looking at the evidence. For example, do you believe that airplanes crashed into the WTC and Pentagon?
Madsen, sorry, wasn't aimed at you personally , I was speaking rhetorically. I just now corrected the post to read that way.
QuoteEh? Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had, IMO. He got into office without my help. I just don't think he had a hand in deliberately orchestrating 9/11.
Whoever was behind 911 didn't care about Bush. He was puzzled and probably not in on it. And when the second plane hit, he was not whisked away by the Secret Service as often the case when a presidents life is possibly endangered by an attack situation but left in bewilderment in that schoolhouse for 15 or so more minutes, even though his whereabouts were widely publicized beforehand and he would have been an easily locatable target.
Yes it is all very general. As one digs deeper you begin to get a sense that there is far more to the story than meets the eye.
No need to discuss how the buildings came down, whether by terrorist patsies, explosives, secret weapons etc. This is diversion. Better to find out who got Norad to stand down, and who orchestrated the affair.
Who got rich when the military machine finally got cranked up is a better question. Qui Bono
Quote from: HEYDUDE on August 28, 2008, 03:21:16 PM
Sorry, wasn't aimed at you personally , I was speaking rhetorically. I corrected the post to read that way.
Thanks---please ignore my response to that part then.
Hmmm... why argue with each other..
Forget the self-induced disunity..
Take the team approach and enjoy the unity..
Try this for a serious dose of reality..
http://www.newswithviews.com/
http://www.newswithviews.com/
http://www.newswithviews.com/
Time for we the people to hear their wake up call..
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Well I performed hundreds of tests over many years [most of the time that they stood]on the concrete and steel at the towers for the port authority of N.Y and N.J [they ran the bldgs] and I have to say it is my opinion that the SAUDIS that flew the plains were expecting to kill 100's of thousands not 3000
If you watch these vids you might find the connection {from user Batman]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYPjGn-hP8A&feature=related
Besides the FACT that every car Manu in the world has a car right here right now that runs on water [this didn't happen overnight [The big boys whoever they are Are brawling]
some of these cars, and Techs, August issue, www.designnews.com
Chet
it is inconceivable that the people criticising the truth mouvements
refuse to look at the scientific facts. All here on this forum have somehow
a technical interest.
If they would only look and analyse they would see;
but their objectivity is barred by emotional blockages...
just one message to them:
LOOK AT THE FACTS
Approach the 911 story as a mystery story. Consider the following.
1) The blame was cast over the networks nearly simultaneously before any buildings fell.
2) A multi-billion dollar protection network (our air defense) mysteriously failed, only on that day.
3) Two of the worlds strongest buildings (built to withstand such an event) vaporised within minutes of each other.
Columbo would be biting off the end of his cigar and asking lots of good questions.
Those who persue the facts, and are willing to do a little detective work, will be amazed.
Others, however, will drape themselves with a flag, put on their blinders, and tell you it is unpatriotic to question authority or the governments official "conspiracy theory".
In recent years, the gov. handful has been scurrying to buttress their failing story,
Quote from: HEYDUDE on August 30, 2008, 09:12:41 AM
Approach the 911 story as a mystery story. Consider the following.
1) The blame was cast over the networks nearly simultaneously before any buildings fell.
I was watching NBC the morning of 9/11, and there was some speculation after the first plane hit the WTC that it was an accident. Of course the second plane crashing made it clear it was a deliberate attack. IIRC, the news anchors were being fairly cautious about placing blame with any particular group, partly because of the fiasco that happened after Oklahoma City no doubt. Nevertheless, there were some obvious suspects---the group that blew up the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 (al Qaeda), and associates of those that bombed the WTC itself in 1993. I didn't see anything about the networks' behavior that looked suspicious.
Are you saying here that the news networks were actually working with the 9/11 perpetrators, whoever they were, to create a false version of the events and deceive the public?
The Tao Te Ching
by Lao Tzu
Translated by Tienzen (Jeh-Tween) Gong
http://www.iewu.edu/Lao1.htm
56
Those who know do not chat.
Those who chat do not know.
Plug the openings, close the gate.
Temper the sharpness, eliminate the division.
Soften the brightness, be the same as the dust (as lowly as possible).
This is the Primal Union.
Thus, friends, enemies, good, harm, honor and disgrace are all with you.
The world will honor you.
57
Rule a nation with justice.
Wage war with deception.
Become ruler of the world with peace.
How do I know that this is so?
Because of these.
The more laws and restrictions,
the poorer people become.
The sharper men's weapons,
the more trouble in the land.
The more ingenious and clever men,
the more strange things happen.
The more rules and regulations,
the more thieve and robbers.
Therefore, the sage says: I Wu-Wei,
people will rule themselves.
I enjoy peace and people become honest.
I do nothing special (such as tax and war) and people become rich.
I have no unjust desires (concubines, conquering, etc.),
people return to the good and simple life.
58
When the country is ruled with simple rules,
the people are simple.
When the country is ruled with complicated laws,
the people are cunning.
Misery often gives rise to future happiness.
Beneath happiness often lurks misery.
Who knows what the future holds?
Positive could be reversed.
Nothing stays positive forever.
Honesty becomes dishonest.
Goodness could become wicked.
People will be confused for a long time.
Therefore, the sage is righteous but not prejudging,
thrifty but not stingy,
straightforward but not unrestrained,
Brilliant but not blinding.
WELL, THE MATH SAYS IT WAS NOT FIRE FROM JET FUEL THAT MADE THE BUILDING FALL....NOT HARD TO TELL SOMTHINGS FISHY
WWW.AE911TRUTH.ORG IS A GOOD SITE
HEIGHT OF THE TALLEST BUILDING IS 417 METERS
d=1/2 gt?
417=1/2 *9.81*t?
2(417)/9.81=t?
or t=(squareroot of 85.02)
t=9.22 seconds at freefall
This means if you jumped off the top of the building at 417 meters you would hit the ground in 9.22 seconds minus air resistance.
The building fell its footprint in 10 SECONDS
Comparing the actual 10 SECONDS to the 9.22 sec. the lower floors offered less than
1 SECOND of resistance for all of them, without counting air resistance or other slowing effects! It is physically impossible for the strongest, heaviest and (3 times working design load) bottom 80+ floors to offer near zero resistance to the falling floors.
IM PRETTY SURE FIRES DONT KNOCK THE FEET OUT FROM A BUILDING IN ONE SECOND
CONTROLLED DEMO!!!! EASY TO SEE IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!
OOH RAHH YOUR GOV. HATES YOU DONT EVER THINK DIFF.
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on August 30, 2008, 12:50:26 PM
The building fell its footprint in 10 SECONDS
Comparing the actual 10 SECONDS to the 9.22 sec. the lower floors offered less than
1 SECOND of resistance for all of them, without counting air resistance or other slowing effects! It is physically impossible for the strongest, heaviest and (3 times working design load) bottom 80+ floors to offer near zero resistance to the falling floors.
IM PRETTY SURE FIRES DONT KNOCK THE FEET OUT FROM A BUILDING IN ONE SECOND
1) Various sources (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_collapse_time_estimates.html) give numbers ranging from 8--16 seconds for the fall times of the towers.
2) If one extra second beyond free fall time is not sufficient, how long would it take for the WTC to collapse? Do you have any calculations which give the minimum realistic collapse time? (Assuming it was not imploded of course).
Welcome to OverUnity.com
The International open source free energy research forum
This is the title of this web site !! Can't you people read !!
What the FUCK does this subject have to do with OverUnity !!
Nothing nothing and nothing take your like minded hatered to some other web site that offer rummors, speculation and lies.
I can't believe the Stephan lets this "SHIT' continue !!!!
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on August 30, 2008, 02:01:41 PM
I can't believe the Stephan lets this "SHIT' continue !!!!
and he will continue to as long as the check doesn't bounce...
How's the HHO coming along? Got a car running entirely on HHO yet?
Quote from: Grumpy on August 30, 2008, 02:26:40 PM
and he will continue to as long as the check doesn't bounce...
How's the HHO coming along? Got a car running entirely on HHO yet?
Hey Grumpy,
No problems with the smaller units, It's just going over the 100 LPM boundary the volts - amps thing is a difficult advisory even for a professional.
Fuzzy
Feline
1) Learn to spell before posting or use a spell checker.
2) The thread is appropriately titled. There are many threads here that have little to do with actual overunity, yet have a large following.
3) There are plenty of other threads to post that rather annoying cat picture, try them.
Well, anyone can see that this site is pretty dead these days and the OU ain't here.
Aside from the occasional remark there is little to be gained. Everyone is submerged in their own world of self-satisfying-BS.
You can define the requirements for OU on every thread of this site and no one will understand it. They don't want to. They would rather drown in the drama than swim to the OU shore - which takes effort.
QuoteWhat sick ridiculous puppets we are / and what gross little stage we dance on / What fun we have dancing and fucking / Not a care in the world / Not knowing that we are nothing / We are not what was intended.
What pathetic puppets we are.
QuoteWanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.
HEY CAT GO FIND A LITTER-BOX AND BURY YOUR HEAD! IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT BEING USED TO THINK WITH!!!!!!
Gobaga
Tao Te Ching is one of my favorites, thanks for posting that. I've also been a long time student of the I Ching. Much wisdom there too.
"those with the mentality of pigs and fishes are difficult to influence"
I would probably add cats to that line.
Quote from: madsen on August 28, 2008, 10:26:42 AM
Part of the problem that the 911 truthers have these days is that their movement has fragmented into a number of factions, and the wackiness seems to increase tenfold with each iteration. For example, there are now "no planers" who believe that no airplanes were involved in the destruction of the WTC and the damage to the Pentagon. That's right, the live images we saw of the airliners crashing into the WTC were faked somehow. You just can't make this stuff up. :P
Whatever hit the towers, it was not what we were told. Watch the september clues series and find for yourself. EVery single image that was taken that day was forged, and the live shots are laughable. They pulled it off just because we were too stunned to see further the first layer that we were being fed that day.
Quote from: ChileanOne on August 31, 2008, 01:38:00 PM
Whatever hit the towers, it was not what we were told. Watch the september clues series and find for yourself.
Exactly what hit the towers in your opinion?
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EVery single image that was taken that day was forged, and the live shots are laughable. They pulled it off just because we were too stunned to see further the first layer that we were being fed that day.
So all the live television shots, amateur photographs, and eyewitness accounts of 767's hitting the towers were faked? Did
anything actually hit the towers then? If so, did these missiles/holograms/whatever at least
look like 767's? If not, it's pretty amazing that "they" were able to pull off such a hoax in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas in the world with no one noticing.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 30, 2008, 10:24:18 PM
Well, anyone can see that this site is pretty dead these days and the OU ain't here.
Aside from the occasional remark there is little to be gained. Everyone is submerged in their own world of self-satisfying-BS.
You can define the requirements for OU on every thread of this site and no one will understand it. They don't want to. They would rather drown in the drama than swim to the OU shore - which takes effort.
Hi Grumpy,
I totally agree with you. In my fourteen years on the internet and countless forums I have belonged to this one has some the most rude members ever. The "requirement" to be polite goes back to the very best tradition in science, where it used to be assumed that honest, intelligent, well-meaning experimenters could hold unique, and divergent opinions and interpretations regarding the same, observed phenomena. No one was assumed to be "wrong" or "bad" because they held a differing opinion. It created an environment for lively debate and in-depth investigation. The only requirements for this environment to flourish were intelligence and civility.
This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior.
All anyone wants is hard facts or proof with out a doubt, not rummors. All I want is the hard facts and to this date there are none just rummors and I was attacked for it just as you have been over the years. It's sad when a web site gets hijacked as this one has and the site moderator is no where to be seen.
Best Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: madsen on August 31, 2008, 02:07:49 PM
Exactly what hit the towers in your opinion?
Your guess is as good as mine. IMHO it was a missile disguised as a scale model plane, hence the witnesess seing a small plane. And there were a lot of planes flying around, so people did see planes that day.
Quote from: madsen on August 31, 2008, 02:07:49 PM
So all the live television shots, amateur photographs, and eyewitness accounts of 767's hitting the towers were faked? Did anything actually hit the towers then? If so, did these missiles/holograms/whatever at least look like 767's? If not, it's pretty amazing that "they" were able to pull off such a hoax in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas in the world with no one noticing.
Yes, exactly. They all come from people that were in one way or other involved in the filmimg industry, some of them even were then and remain now expert digital imagers. The shots that were cast by many channel news are traceable to a single individual who touts himself af being capable of create "digital image illusions that can outrage people".
The famous Naudet brothers footage of the first strike only shows a blurry thing striking the towers, and of course if you are told it is a plane, and don't see it for yourself, you are going to believe them, because they are telling it on the TV, aren't they, right? But look at the clip and tell me if you see a plane, honestly. And the square by square painting of a line of damage beyond the initial explosion, that is only seen on that clip, and does not match any other footage (hint: If you are going to make fakes, at least try to make all of them match each other).
The second hit as filmed by the Naudet brothers is also so full of glitches, as the miracolous reflexion on a car window that simply is optically impossible, and the road runner physics of a plane "dissapearing" into the tower as if the tower was thin air.
Many of the sounds of both the so called "amateur" footage and the news footage are studio quality samples, even of musical instruments, mixed together, and a woman's scream appears in at two of them, in different moments of course, but curiously, when isolated and played together, match exactly, bit by bit.
Now, about the "live shots", please don't get me started on that, the most infamous blooper of all ages is the embarassing "nosing out" the other side of the tower, exposing the blatant digitally imposed shadow of a plane, that was poorly attempted to be covered with tha manual fade to black.
See it for yourself man, there is plenty of glitches in the videos, as the position changing buildings, the walking background bridge, etc. etc. Of course nothing was detected the very day because we were all sinking in the death of 3000+ souls so we were all with the guard down. But the forensic analysis of the images is conclusive: All fake.
Quote from: ChileanOne on August 31, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Your guess is as good as mine. IMHO it was a missile disguised as a scale model plane, hence the witnesess seing a small plane. And there were a lot of planes flying around, so people did see planes that day.
Thanks for the reply. I have to say, however, that this just strikes me as an incredibly complex operation, which would involve the cooperation of a huge number of people, including several news organizations. Was Brokaw in on the hoax, for example? Coordinating the faked "live" video with the impact of the small scale model planes/missiles striking the towers in real time would be an astonishing feat in itself, and yet the forgers were so inept that all the photos and video were easily identifiable by amateurs as fakes?
I'll watch the video before I respond to the rest.
Well, actually they gave theselves 17 seconds of advantage. They kept this time delay between the real events and the "live shots" broadcast. Enough to make the digital fakery while transmiting "live" but not enough to correct a mistake.
Watch the september clues series parts A to H. I burned them on highest quality on a DVD and watched them on a good tv. It speaks for itself.
But don't take my word for it, wacth it yourself and then check with the footage at www.archive.org. There is all the proof needed, once you accept that a thing may look like something, and still be a complete different thing.
Quote from: ChileanOne on August 31, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
Well, actually they gave theselves 17 seconds of advantage. They kept this time delay between the real events and the "live shots" broadcast. Enough to make the digital fakery while transmiting "live" but not enough to correct a mistake.
Watch the september clues series parts A to H. I burned them on highest quality on a DVD and watched them on a good tv. It speaks for itself.
But don't take my word for it, wacth it yourself and then check with the footage at www.archive.org. There is all the proof needed, once you accept that a thing may look like something, and still be a complete different thing.
Fair enough.
Is this how your theory goes then: Small scale models of airplanes loaded with missiles crashed into the towers, and during the 17-second delay, computer generated images of full-size airplanes were added to the shots for broadcast.
If so, I'm not understanding why the perps just didn't use real full-size airplanes with explosives or missiles on board, which would eliminate the need for processing the footage for television (in the short span of 17 seconds!). That would also eliminate the need for tv networks and photographers to be in on the deal.
I think the whole 9-11 thing was horse-shit.
Something definitely smell fishy about the fact that both towers were reduced to rubble. It might have been more believable, if there was only partial collapse of either one of the buildings.
The truthers can all go pound sand. No one believes you, except on fringe boards like this, where people don't believe in the moon landing either.
QuoteHi Grumpy,
I totally agree with you. In my fourteen years on the internet and countless forums I have belonged to this one has some the most rude members ever. The "requirement" to be polite goes back to the very best tradition in science, where it used to be assumed that honest, intelligent, well-meaning experimenters could hold unique, and divergent opinions and interpretations regarding the same, observed phenomena. No one was assumed to be "wrong" or "bad" because they held a differing opinion. It created an environment for lively debate and in-depth investigation. The only requirements for this environment to flourish were intelligence and civility.
This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior.
All anyone wants is hard facts or proof with out a doubt, not rummors. All I want is the hard facts and to this date there are none just rummors and I was attacked for it just as you have been over the years. It's sad when a web site gets hijacked as this one has and the site moderator is no where to be seen.
Best Regards,
Fuzzy
After his initial outbursts, it's nice to see that feline is developing manners.
He complains on this thread of everyone's rudeness to him, but go back and check his initial posts ( for his real rudeness display on this thread) to see how far he has now come.
Quotehonest, intelligent, well-meaning experimenters could hold unique, and divergent opinions and interpretations regarding the same, observed phenomena. No one was assumed to be "wrong" or "bad" because they held a differing opinion.
I'm sorry, Mr. cat but you didn't have that beneficent attitude in your initial posts, especially the picture you posted (reply #8), citing anyone with an opinion other than yours as having their head up their ass.
Quote from: madsen on August 31, 2008, 07:21:21 PM
Fair enough.
Is this how your theory goes then: Small scale models of airplanes loaded with missiles crashed into the towers, and during the 17-second delay, computer generated images of full-size airplanes were added to the shots for broadcast.
If so, I'm not understanding why the perps just didn't use real full-size airplanes with explosives or missiles on board, which would eliminate the need for processing the footage for television (in the short span of 17 seconds!). That would also eliminate the need for tv networks and photographers to be in on the deal.
Not so fast maiteee!!!
There are some slight problems with your idea:
First, according to many aeronautical experts, including the famous son of the founder of Lear Jet, the alleged speed at which the craft would have hit the towers, is impossible at that altitude, because simply the fans of the motors are not designed to intake that much dense air, so they would choke and the plane fall and being uncontrollable. So, there goes the idea of using real planes.
Second, whatever caused the explosion at the collisions, was not only the possible colliding object, but there were also pre planted charges to cause the plane profile hole, which could not have cause by a real plane, as planes are basically a big alluminum can, and would not have been able to cut the hole they pretended us to believe, so, again, using real planes to cause the damage that was observed was not possible, and the cartoon like hole we saw was just another special FX to increase the drama.
In the Naudet shot of the first collision, a frame by frame analysis shows clearly how the "wing profile" is neatly caused by charges that explode after the initial hit of the "plane", which is IMHO even more embarassing to their poor fakery.
Quote from: ChileanOne on September 01, 2008, 12:31:10 AM
Not so fast maiteee!!!
There are some slight problems with your idea:
First, according to many aeronautical experts, including the famous son of the founder of Lear Jet, the alleged speed at which the craft would have hit the towers, is impossible at that altitude, because simply the fans of the motors are not designed to intake that much dense air, so they would choke and the plane fall and being uncontrollable. So, there goes the idea of using real planes.
Second, whatever caused the explosion at the collisions, was not only the possible colliding object, but there were also pre planted charges to cause the plane profile hole, which could not have cause by a real plane, as planes are basically a big alluminum can, and would not have been able to cut the hole they pretended us to believe, so, again, using real planes to cause the damage that was observed was not possible, and the cartoon like hole we saw was just another special FX to increase the drama.
In the Naudet shot of the first collision, a frame by frame analysis shows clearly how the "wing profile" is neatly caused by charges that explode after the initial hit of the "plane", which is IMHO even more embarassing to their poor fakery.
There are also some slight problems with your idea. Mainly, that you are a complete moron. But also the following.
Let me see if I get this straight. So the buildings were rigged to explode, right? Why not just explode the damn buildings, and just reduce the complexity of this wild ass plot by about 99%? The terrorists in fact tried to blow up the buildings just a few years prior, so what a believable fake! But no, they have to involve everyone and their mom in on this super secret and needlessly complex plot.
Quote from: ChileanOne on September 01, 2008, 12:31:10 AM
Not so fast maiteee!!!
There are some slight problems with your idea:
First, according to many aeronautical experts, including the famous son of the founder of Lear Jet, the alleged speed at which the craft would have hit the towers, is impossible at that altitude, because simply the fans of the motors are not designed to intake that much dense air, so they would choke and the plane fall and being uncontrollable. So, there goes the idea of using real planes.
Second, whatever caused the explosion at the collisions, was not only the possible colliding object, but there were also pre planted charges to cause the plane profile hole, which could not have cause by a real plane, as planes are basically a big alluminum can, and would not have been able to cut the hole they pretended us to believe, so, again, using real planes to cause the damage that was observed was not possible, and the cartoon like hole we saw was just another special FX to increase the drama.
In the Naudet shot of the first collision, a frame by frame analysis shows clearly how the "wing profile" is neatly caused by charges that explode after the initial hit of the "plane", which is IMHO even more embarassing to their poor fakery.
But this leads directly to the question of why whoever organized this very complex operation would exercise such poor fakery, as you put it. So poor that it is apparent even in low resolution youtube videos and the like. There is no need to have to planes going especially fast or making an extra-large hole in the towers. The crashes would have been very dramatic no matter what. It makes no sense to me the hoaxers would make their job more difficult by orders of magnitude AND make it obvious it was all fake by using scale model planes/missiles that didn't behave properly instead of actual 767s. [This is all stipulating that the missile/planes indeed were going too fast and the hole was too big, which I am not convinced of, but let's set that aside for the moment]
Plus there is the question of what happened to the passengers who were supposedly on these flights. These no plane theories are pretty implausible for that reason alone.
One last thing, concerning the "nosing out" you referred to earlier. There is a lengthy thread (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread286042/pg1) over at abovetopsecret on these videos. On page 1, it is mentioned that this "nosing out" phenomenon during the second hit is actually also visible from a different angle. Now, it looks to me like debris coming out the other side of the building, but if it were actually some sort of CGI mistake, isn't it odd that it happened in both views?
Well, see for yourself.
About blowing the towers just with explosives, are you kidding, right?
Some illiterate "engineers" have carried out silliness theories - folly schoolboys and embittered dirty old men try to play second fiddle in this stupid opus,
Those chumps give a shit about declining the authority of OverUnity site,
no more comments,
khabe
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!
if you don't want to know, ok! but do not insult people who really know!!!
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
new energy is linked with everything from the universe;
accept its laws, search for the real universal truth, and it will come.
but first we have to accept the things that happened as they did,
and not try to block them out by dogmatic blindness...
Quote from: Eden on September 01, 2008, 04:57:31 PM
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!
if you don't want to know, ok! but do not insult people who really know!!!
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
new energy is linked with everything from the universe;
accept its laws, search for the real universal truth, and it will come.
but first we have to accept the things that happened as they did,
and not try to block them out by dogmatic blindness...
Sorry, but the "911 truth" movement will die with the truthers, and that will be the end of that.
I am so surprised that there are so many references to videos from the conspiracy "experts" on 911. As most people interested I have examined many of these original DVD videos from a purchase or acquired them from a P2P torrent download. I only figured it out by accident using a high quality DVD player at a random "pause" and what was on the video frame it stopped on, a video frame called a subliminal message embedded in the video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message
For those who don't know what this is it's a frame with a picture or text added into the video. This was common practice in movies advertising products by adding a sensation or mental awareness functioning below the threshold of consciousness. All North American videos use a format of 29.97 frames per second or lets say 30, a five minute video clip has approx. 9000 frames of video, without any degradation to the video 1 frame per second can be altered thats 300 frames in 5 minutes.
After several years of examining many of these DVD videos available, on "each" and "every" frame from "beginning" to "end" you would be amazed on what is there. Of course there never in a area where one would use a frame by frame search like a explosion or crash.
I myself have at times used this technique on my videos with very surprising results.
I will not say what the subliminal messages are or what DVD video there on, only that they are there, and now they have been somewhat exposed and the evidence is everywhere.
It should make a great book don't you think ?
Fuzzy
Just sick surmise :-X
Often when person normally educated, when its not because uneducatedness - or when its not done because the money(!) - its more like medical subject, like mental illness:
disturbances of consciousness, clouding of consciousness, delirium, twilight state, disturbances of attention, disorientation, attention-deficit disorder, trance, labile affect, inappropriate affect,
depression, dysphoric mood, mood swings, labile mood, irritable mood, anxiety, fear, free-floating anxiety, panic, catatonic excitement, negativism, stereotypy, psychomotor agitation,
disorders of perception, illusion, hallucination (auditory h, visual h, olfactory h, hypnagogic h, hypnopompic h.), agnosia, derealization, delusional perception, delusional mood, depersonalization,
thought disorders, disorders of thinking, flight of ideas, thougth blocking, loosening of associations, circumstantiality, perseveration, disturbances in content of thought, agoraphobia,
obsession, paranoid, persecutory ...
Often just paranoia syndromes :o
Visit your Doctor,
Ask pills!
No more drugs!!! No alcohol!!!
Sometimes hand job helps as well - will smooth over (not overdo !!!)
cheers,
khabe
I haven't seen anyone talking about how much actual thermite you'd need to bring down the building. I mean they are talking about molten metal pouring out of the windows and pooling under the wreckage and staying molten for over three weeks. How much incendiary do you need to do this? Is it logistically possible to plant enough, in the right spots, for this effect? I don't think we're talking about pounds here, but hundreds of pounds. The thermite reactions I've seen only sputter about- not explode with a force strong enough to pulverize concrete or break bolts and welds.
Insight anyone?
I agree w/EDEN
OK, CAT,
MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE FIRE FROM THE PLANES AND SOME WEIRD PHENOMINA CAUSED THE BUILDING TO TAKE THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE DOWN TO THE GROUND (YEAHRIGHT) IM NOT SAYIN WHO DID IT JUST THAT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT!!
MAYBE OU IS INVOLVED(FREE BUILDING DESTROYING ENERGY), SO NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT HERE :D
IF YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT DIRECTLY APPLY TO OU YOU WON'T FIND IT, THATS PRETTY CLOSE MINDED , I THINK THAT YOU WILL PROBLY CHANGE YOUR MIND IN THE FUTURE,
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED YET
ALSO,
HAS ANY ONE HEARD OF A "PHASE CONJUGATE MIRROR"
I BELIEVE IT CAN CREATE HOLOGRAMS AND OTHER COOL EFFECTS
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISSLE OR ANYTHING REALLY WITH A HOLOGRAM AROUND IT
I KNOW ITS OUT THERE BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE IF THE TECH EXISTS SOMEBODY WILL USE IT FOR THEIR OWN ENDS
LOOK AT THIS
TIME-REVERSED ACOUSTICS (FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Don Albert of the U.S. Army's Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory will discuss a system that uses "time-reversal" acoustics to pinpoint the exact locations of gunfire and explosions in an urban environment. A network of simple audio sensors records sounds in an urban area; a computer then generates backwards versions of the sound waves and broadcasts the reversed versions in a virtual urban environment. The waves eventually return and focus at the original source point, enabling researchers to pinpoint the location of a sound, such as an explosion or gunshot.
(FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Laboratoire Ondes et Acoustique, ESPCI, France, will discuss an idea for transforming all objects in a room into touch-sensitive, remote control devices, even if they don't run on electricity. The idea is the following: touch any object in a room, and an acoustic detector records the sound or vibration from a touch. Then, employing a scheme known as "time-reversed" acoustics, the detector sends a reversed version of the soundwave to the object. After sending soundwaves back and forth several times between source and detector, the system is able to pinpoint exactly where the object lies in the room. One can therefore create "virtual switches" that perform certain functions in response to touch. (Paper 5aEA9)
I THINK YOU CAN DO THIS WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES TOO (NOT SURE, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG!!)
IF THIS TECH IS REAL THEN I COULD SEE 911 HAPPENING WITHOUT PLANES OR EXPLOSIVES OR THERMITE
BEARDENS STUFF FITS IN PRETTY WELL
YOU COULD MELT THE SUPPORTS WITH JUST ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES
BUT BEFORE YOU GUYS SHOOT ME DOWN
-WHAT DO I KNOW-
LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THE PATENTS ARE FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE
ITS JUST MY VIEW THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHATS PLAUSABLE
(PS -I DONT CARE ABOUT SPEELLING)
IM JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WELL RESPECTED CIVIL ENGINEERS ,INCLUDING THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THE TOWERS, HAVE TO PUT THEIR CAREERS ON THE LINE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT JET A (FUEL THAT TURNS BIG TURBINE ENGINES) WILL NOT BURN AND MELT STEEL COLUMNS AND GIRDERS LIKE THOSE IN THE TOWERS. THERMITE IS NOT AN EXPLOSIVE . IT IS USED TO CUT THE STRUCTURE AND SHEAR THICK STEEL OR CAST PLATE , I BEAMS ,ANGLE AND C CHANEL OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF CONFIGURATION OF STEEL . IT DOESNT TAKE 100S OF POUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH SOME RATHER DEVASTATING EFFECTS . YOU SIMPLY CUT STRUCTURAL BEAMS AND GIRDERS IN KEY SPOTS AND LET GRAVITY TAKE AFFECT
THIS IS HOW THEY BRING DOWN "IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION " VERY TALL BUILDINGS. GOOGLE "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION" AND YOU WILL PROBABLY FIND A SITE THAT THE VERY PEOPLE WHO DID THIS ARE LISTED.
GW BUSH BROTHER WAS A PRIMARY IN A CO. THAT HAD THE CONTRACT TO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX.
THE NEW LESSEE WAS ALSO PRIVY TO THE FACT THAT AN ESTIMATE OF OVER 1 BILLION IN ASBESTOS REMEDIATION WAS INEVITABLE WITHIN A YEAR TO COMPLY WITH GOV.HEALTH STANDARDS. HE ACTUALLY MADE MONEY BY DESTROYING THE TOWERS AS HE HAD INSURANCE THAT COVERED THEM FOR OVER TWO BILLION. MANY OTHER ACCEPTED FACTS ON THE WEB. JUST STUDY THEM ALL AND THEN DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION . UNTIL THEN DONT BE DUPED BY EITHER SIDE.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
Is it all caps day or something?
Anyway, how is the temperature at which the steel melts relevant? You can weaken it substantially at lower temperatures.
Do you therefore believe the most complex and spectacular terrorist act in history was just an insurance scam? Depending on what theory you subscribe to, I'm not confident the guy would actually end up making money. If the scheme involved (nearly) real-time CGI and the cooperation of television stations, or maybe even star wars beams as Dr Judy Wood believes, I'm not sure $2 billion would go very far.
Quote from: JSHYDROXY on September 02, 2008, 01:57:48 PM
IM JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WELL RESPECTED CIVIL ENGINEERS ,INCLUDING THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THE TOWERS, HAVE TO PUT THEIR CAREERS ON THE LINE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT JET A (FUEL THAT TURNS BIG TURBINE ENGINES) WILL NOT BURN AND MELT STEEL COLUMNS AND GIRDERS LIKE THOSE IN THE TOWERS.
JSHDROXY,
Leaving your "CAP LOCK" on like you have done on all of your post's at this FORUM is considered to be "YELLING" at everyone ........ your call dude.So Jet A, Jet A-1 and Jet B fuel (fuel that turns big turbine engines) ........ you mean "Kerosene" the stuff used in lamps back in the 1800's ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene
Oh, thanks for the cat litter joke ........... really funny ................... maybe to you
CAT!! I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT JET A OR KEROSENE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!!! YOU EASILY SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE ON THIS SUBJECT . DUDE STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW(OR IN YOUR CASE DONT KNOW)
BY THE WAY WHO DO YOU WORK FOR BIG "W" ??? SOUNDS LIKE IT!!!!
AND BY THE WAY IM NOT MAD AT ANY ONE IM JUST GOING BLIND FROM OVER EXPOSURE TO "CHEMICALS THAT ARE HARMLESS TO US" ACCORDING TO OUR WONDERFUL GOV.
ANY WAY IM OUTA HERE THIS IS TO RIDICULOUS TO CONTINUE WITH. DOES ANY ONE "REALLY" CARE . I MEAN IF THEY DID THEY WOULD JUST GO ASK ANY STORM VET OR NAM VET. I WONDER HOW THEY WOULD REACT TO SO MUCH LOVE FOR A COUNTRY THAT SO OPENLY SACRIFICES ITS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO HARM NO FOUL DUDE JUST DIFFER ON MY OPINIONS.LATER!!!
hi surmisers,
do you have any idea about capacity of fuel tanks of Boeing?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
Please, don't cite everything written in PM as truth or we'd all be riding around in 200 MPG cars or flying in hovercraft by now.
That rag has gone seriously downhill in the last 30 or so years. Also a "Hearst" publication, the folks who invented "yellow journalism"
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Spanish-American_War
To everyone whos able to think,
Lets reckon with airplane speed, sizes, weight and fuel capaticy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH02Eh44yUg&feature=related
Quote from: khabe on September 03, 2008, 04:31:39 AM
hi surmisers,
do you have any idea about capacity of fuel tanks of Boeing?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
Hi Khabe,
Such a straight forward and easy question -
A "Boeing 767" has a capacity between 12,140 to 16,700 US gallons of Jet ( Kerosene ) fuel,
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/767.pdf ( Page 13 )
Best Regards,
Fuzzy
Yeah, I know that. Just astonishing that some people thinking its not enough (40T of kerosene) to soften steel beams when impact has damaged part of frames and removed fire protect coatings - there was huge mass of load above! How many beams has been broken ... how many damaged - at least a little bid crooked? Thats enough! Steel beam, when no fire-protecting coated (was removed by impact) looses his strenght far before becoming fully red by heat - at that there burned not only kerosene - also hundred tons of aluminium, plastic, wood and all happend in extreme ample current of air as via horizontal as well as by amount of shafts of elevators, communications, electrics ...
Max upper limit is 600 C degrees for the best of high alloy steels and 370 C degrees for mild steel,
Self-crooking of steel profiles beginning much more before especially when heat comes choppy,
regards,
khabe
Lets put aside the freefall speed of the collapsing buildings for a moment.
The burning issue which remains ignored to this day is...the presence of 12 separate deposits of molten steel found 3 months later at the 12 corners of the 3 buildings - 3 stories down...where the support structure of the buildings was located.
According to demolition experts the fact that the steel remained molten without a source of oxygen is indicative of thermite...commonly used to 'pull' tall buildings.
Teslsa is dead, so it couldn't be his doing.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 03, 2008, 05:18:20 PM
Lets put aside the freefall speed of the collapsing buildings for a moment.
The burning issue which remains ignored to this day is...the presence of 12 separate deposits of molten steel found 3 months later at the 12 corners of the 3 buildings - 3 stories down...where the support structure of the buildings was located.
According to demolition experts the fact that the steel remained molten without a source of oxygen is indicative of thermite...commonly used to 'pull' tall buildings.
Teslsa is dead, so it couldn't be his doing.
Regards...
There seem to be some problems with the stories of molten steel, as described here (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html). What is the source of your information on this?
Also, according to this (http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm) page, the use of the word "pull" in the demolition industry is a little different than you indicated above:
QuoteConspiracy theorists say "Pull" is a term used by demolition experts. This is one of those many half truths conspiracy theorists use to convince the ignorant. "Pull" is used when they "Pull" a building away from another with cables during demolition.
Lets stick with the molten steel/thermite issue.
The information is there for all to see...do your own due diligence.
Find out for yourself - take no ones word on anything...except for your mother.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 03, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
Lets stick with the molten steel/thermite issue.
The information is there for all to see...do your own due diligence.
Find out for yourself - take no ones word on anything...except for your mother.
Regards...
Hi Cap-Z-ro,
Your right there is a great website on the thermite issue, thanks for the information !!
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on September 02, 2008, 11:10:07 AM
HAS ANY ONE HEARD OF A "PHASE CONJUGATE MIRROR"
I BELIEVE IT CAN CREATE HOLOGRAMS AND OTHER COOL EFFECTS
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISSLE OR ANYTHING REALLY WITH A HOLOGRAM AROUND IT
I KNOW ITS OUT THERE BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE IF THE TECH EXISTS SOMEBODY WILL USE IT FOR THEIR OWN ENDS
LOOK AT THIS
TIME-REVERSED ACOUSTICS (FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Don Albert of the U.S. Army's Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory will discuss a system that uses "time-reversal" acoustics to pinpoint the exact locations of gunfire and explosions in an urban environment. A network of simple audio sensors records sounds in an urban area; a computer then generates backwards versions of the sound waves and broadcasts the reversed versions in a virtual urban environment. The waves eventually return and focus at the original source point, enabling researchers to pinpoint the location of a sound, such as an explosion or gunshot.
(FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Laboratoire Ondes et Acoustique, ESPCI, France, will discuss an idea for transforming all objects in a room into touch-sensitive, remote control devices, even if they don't run on electricity. The idea is the following: touch any object in a room, and an acoustic detector records the sound or vibration from a touch. Then, employing a scheme known as "time-reversed" acoustics, the detector sends a reversed version of the soundwave to the object. After sending soundwaves back and forth several times between source and detector, the system is able to pinpoint exactly where the object lies in the room. One can therefore create "virtual switches" that perform certain functions in response to touch. (Paper 5aEA9)
I THINK YOU CAN DO THIS WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES TOO (NOT SURE, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG!!)
BUT BEFORE YOU GUYS SHOOT ME DOWN
-WHAT DO I KNOW-
LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THE PATENTS ARE FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE
ITS JUST MY VIEW THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHATS PLAUSABLE
(PS -I DONT CARE ABOUT SPEELLING)
Hey PYRODIN123321,
Your ideas are fairly creative but just looking at the first one it has only been done in labrotary or so called controlled conditions with small objects not a Boeing 747 Jet .
http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US005729380&PageNum=1&&IDKey=DFF9AA40D022&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=5729380.PN.%2526OS=PN/5729380%2526RS=PN/5729380
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5729380.PN.&OS=PN/5729380&RS=PN/5729380
http://sharp.bu.edu/~slehar/PhaseConjugate/PhaseConjugate.html
This would have to be done with four way mixing ...... da da da da da da ....... no way.
I'm sure your very concerned as I am but without "facts" that can or could actually work you cannot believe everything that may work.
Again if this information is from a DVD video from a so called expert of 9/11 be very careful the content maybe tainted with "Subliminal" messages embedded in the video. [ reply #50 ]
Regards,
Fuzzy
Fuzzy,
I agree that it was most likely NOT done like that, that was more of an example of how it could have been somthing(anything) other than what we were told happened.
thanks for the warning, I am skeptical of just about everything-the stuff on here particularly(no offence anybody)
but everybody knows as far as tech goes what the government shows the public is baby stuff to what they acually have (skunkworks)
but I guess it just makes a good conspiracy theory untill you have proof
By the way I think fema/or some other agengcy- NSA maybe-hauled everything away and destroyed it so we would have no proof
I see stuff like this and I doubt that its just a coicidence
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ae911truth.org%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2Fsquibs.jpg&hash=15861c3deb5ee66078373f3e35c18b70822583ae)
Numerous Squibs (mis-timed explosions) can be seen seen 20 to 40 floors ahead of the advancing "collapse". NIST claims that they are "puffs of air" created from the pancaking floors above. But there are no pancaking floors above, they are not air but pulverized building materials, they occur precisely at the center of the building in an "open office plan", and finally, the 160 to 200 feet per second speed of this debris suggests they could only have been propelled by explosives.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ae911truth.org%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2Fcase4EDcardback.jpg&hash=0b7f255bb0e98b97ed7df7a9d8ef910d209c13ff)
Ps: sorry for the caps before I'm a draftsman and everything is always in CAPS
www.pat2pdf.org
you can download patents here too, i had problems with em' (illustrations dont come up)
"Hi Cap-Z-ro,
Your right there is a great website on the thermite issue, thanks for the information !!
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
Regards,
Fuzzy"
And still no interest in addressing the molten steel under the towers...only te offering up of a link to some debunking site which also avoids the issue.
We haven't even gotten to the victims severely burned in the explosions.
There almost seems to be a determined effort to ignore the fact that the vast majority believe the official story's are all lies.
Debating this issue further is doing just what the deceivers wish...spinning your wheels.
The issue should be when the public lynchings are to begin and where.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 04, 2008, 05:59:51 PM
And still no interest in addressing the molten steel under the towers...only te offering up of a link to some debunking site which also avoids the issue.
But you still haven't presented the specific evidence which supports the existence of molten steel under the towers. I asked you what your source was, and you replied:
QuoteThe information is there for all to see...do your own due diligence.
Find out for yourself - take no ones word on anything...except for your mother.
How can we address the alleged molten steel before you show us your evidence?
Dead ended linkage=end of debate/game
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 04, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
Dead ended linkage=end of debate/game
I don't get your meaning. As far as I can tell, the debate hasn't even begun. You said there was molten steel found under the towers, indicating foul play. Of course there are lots of websites discussing this issue, both pro and con, so it would be helpful if we could focus the discussion somewhat. I'm asking for what you believe is the best specific evidence for the molten steel---not just an allegation and a direction to "do my own due diligence". You have the floor.
I'll not be running to find information to have unrelated links tossed up as a response.
Those truly interested in facts will do their own fact finding.
The art of circular debate is not my forte or interest...so the floor is no longer mine.
Regards...
Quote from: madsen on September 04, 2008, 06:12:57 PM
But you still haven't presented the specific evidence which supports the existence of molten steel under the towers. I asked you what your source was, and you replied:
How can we address the alleged molten steel before you show us your evidence?
Hey madsen,
I think this is what Cap-Z-ro is referring to not much to it again... http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/PDFDocs/The_Real_Culprits_Behind_911.pdf .......worth reading though I guess ??
Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 04, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
Dead ended linkage=end of debate/game
Cap-Z-ro,
Is this what your referring to -
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/PDFDocs/The_Real_Culprits_Behind_911.pdf
Page 39 - Footnote or End Notes #89 "Christopher Bollyn" Link Missing
Fuzzy
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 04, 2008, 11:17:36 PM
Hey madsen,
I think this is what Cap-Z-ro is referring to not much to it again... http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/PDFDocs/The_Real_Culprits_Behind_911.pdf .......worth reading though I guess ??
Regards,
Fuzzy
Wow---that guy's quite the whack job, isn't he? :o
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407&ei=92rBSMSMOIbe-wGQvM2aCQ&q=fabled+enemies&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407&ei=92rBSMSMOIbe-wGQvM2aCQ&q=fabled+enemies&hl=en)
this is pretty convincing
I think im done here....people will believe any lie either because they want it to be true or they are afraid it is true
when it finnaly comes out what really happend (like jfk) we will all be too old to care or do anything about it anyway, maybe our kids will care(yeah...)
Quote from: madsen on September 05, 2008, 11:35:23 AM
Wow---that guy's quite the whack job, isn't he? :o
Hey madsen,
If this is what Cap-Z-ro is referring to it is quite unfortunate, it seems that many of the odd and angry opinions come from DVD's that are available on the internet. The FCC made it illegal to add "subliminal messages" to movies because of the dangers that exist, and the MPAA ( Motion Picture of America Association ) makes sure this isn't used today. There are no rules or laws using this subliminal technique on private DVD's and is being used daily one only has to look for it. What has happend is the truth movement now look something like a bunch of Johansisburg "Koolaid" drinkers because of their experts.
Regards,
Fuzzy
@ PYRODIN123321
You noticed where all this was heading huh ? :)
"I think im done here....people will believe any lie either because they want it to be true or they are afraid it is true"
...or they purposely perpetuate the official lie.
Suspicions are aroused when legitimate facts are met with sketchy replies punctuated with personal insults.
The time for debating the issue has long become regressive.
There remains a shrinking minority who refuse to acknowledge anything until they hear it from "trusted" news anchors or other media heads swaying public opinion with lies of omission....and those of us who have come to realize the truth at some point along the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E
Regards...
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 05, 2008, 02:29:47 PM
Hey madsen,
If this is what Cap-Z-ro is referring to it is quite unfortunate, it seems that many of the odd and angry opinions come from DVD's that are available on the internet. The FCC made it illegal to add "subliminal messages" to movies because of the dangers that exist, and the MPAA ( Motion Picture of America Association ) makes sure this isn't used today. There are no rules or laws using this subliminal technique on private DVD's and is being used daily one only has to look for it. What has happend is the truth movement now look something like a bunch of Johansisburg "Koolaid" drinkers because of their experts.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Yes, that would be unfortunate, but I think it's fair to give Cap-Z-ro the benefit of the doubt and not presume he is basing any of his views on Edward Hendrie's stuff. He is waaay out there.
Do you have any screencaps showing subliminal messages on DVD's? I hadn't heard that those were being used. :)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 05, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
Suspicions are aroused when legitimate facts are met with sketchy replies punctuated with personal insults.
???
That's not how I saw it. You made an assertion and then declined to provide any evidence. Is that supposed to be persuasive?
Quote from: madsen on September 05, 2008, 08:42:11 PM
Yes, that would be unfortunate, but I think it's fair to give Cap-Z-ro the benefit of the doubt and not presume he is basing any of his views on Edward Hendrie's stuff. He is waaay out there.
Do you have any screencaps showing subliminal messages on DVD's? I hadn't heard that those were being used. :)
Hi madsen,
Your right on Cap-Z-ro and I wasn't thinking that his views are the same, after all the stuff I have seen this was the only thing that fit what his "clues" were, total speculation on my part if this was it.
And as for the subliminal messages [ reply #50 this thread ] there is more than one would think, it's so easy to do with any video editing program. I made a short video years ago for a college project about 20 minuets long, at the time no one knew what was on it but me and the professor. Embedded was 310 single frames of a photo of a man or a women using a toilet by the end of the short film out of 37 that saw it, 6 left before the end and 17 left right at the end to use the restroom, it was hard not to laugh but I managed somehow. The FCC outlawed it years ago because its way to easy to do and the results are documented over and over again.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 05, 2008, 10:40:08 PM
Hi madsen,
Your right on Cap-Z-ro and I wasn't thinking that his views are the same, after all the stuff I have seen this was the only thing that fit what his "clues" were, total speculation on my part if this was it.
And as for the subliminal messages [ reply #50 this thread ] there is more than one would think, it's so easy to do with any video editing program. I made a short video years ago for a college project about 20 minuets long, at the time no one knew what was on it but me and the professor. Embedded was 310 single frames of a photo of a man or a women using a toilet by the end of the short film out of 37 that saw it, 6 left before the end and 17 left right at the end to use the restroom, it was hard not to laugh but I managed somehow. The FCC outlawed it years ago because its way to easy to do and the results are documented over and over again.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Wow---interesting stuff!
Are you saying that subliminal messages were actually put into 911 truth videos though? If so, do you have any examples you could share with us?
BTW, anyone else having difficulty with the forum earlier today? It seems back to normal now, but I was getting weird error messages all day.
Quote from: madsen on September 05, 2008, 10:51:21 PM
Wow---interesting stuff!
Are you saying that subliminal messages were actually put into 911 truth videos though? If so, do you have any examples you could share with us?
BTW, anyone else having difficulty with the forum earlier today? It seems back to normal now, but I was getting weird error messages all day.
Yes many of these 9/11 truther videos are subliminal modified, but a 1 hour of video takes approximately 100 hours to look at frame by frame, I couldn't have done this myself and if not for the others that helped put this together for a non profit idea we worked out between us that I can only be kind of a messenger now. The evidence is there for anyone to see, just "acquire" some DVD's, P2P torrent downloads are free or originals from the truther sites and be a detective, just start with the most popular videos ::) and work your way down. The more people that find these subliminal messages on there own the better at this point. It shouldn't be to long before this is released hopefully and there are still several things we need to do to tie up some loose ends that are left.
I think Stephan must have moved the forum to the new server, I've had the same problems today.
Regards,
Fuzzy
here is what im having a problem understanding........
...after watching simple things like house fires,factory fires......let alone MASSIVE building fires...there still standing WELL after an hour of less then 20% of it being on fire, even FULLY engulfed...there still standing after an hour and fire fighters are reported to have spent HOURS getting things under control yet there still standing...so im puzzled...the 2nd building that was hit fell down first..hmmmm.......then WT7 ..... falls down ALL on its own, about 15 mins AFTER the BBC reports that its fallen down all ready when you can plainly see it STILL standing behind the reporters head....its sticking out the side of her head......she could be standing any place, but she chooses to stand in front of it.
...both the world trade centers that fell down are reported to be the first buildings in HISTORY to fall down like this ( apart from controlled demo stuff ).....and wt7 is not even mentioned.
so looking at this clip, with out reading any of it or listening to it, but just watching it. whats your gut feeling ?.
..would your home fall down and turn to dust in less then one hour of 20% being on fire...im pretty sure mine wouldnt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1MIDF2XM4
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 14, 2008, 03:03:06 AM
so looking at this clip, with out reading any of it or listening to it, but just watching it. whats your gut feeling ?.
..would your home fall down and turn to dust in less then one hour of 20% being on fire...im pretty sure mine wouldnt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1MIDF2XM4
The official theory, as I understand it, is that the steel in the floors immediately around the crash site was weakened by the heat of the fire. At some point, these few floors collapsed, which caused the rest of the building above to start moving downward. Once this process started, it was all over, because the building was not designed to withstand the forces generated by the top section falling onto the rest. The top floors acted like a giant wrecking ball, taking down the rest of the building.
Of course this is basically impossible in a normal 1 or 2-story house, but there is a lot more potential energy stored in a 110-story building.
Quote from: madsen on September 14, 2008, 10:29:55 AM
The official theory, as I understand it, is that the steel in the floors immediately around the crash site was weakened by the heat of the fire. At some point, these few floors collapsed, which caused the rest of the building above to start moving downward. Once this process started, it was all over, because the building was not designed to withstand the forces generated by the top section falling onto the rest. The top floors acted like a giant wrecking ball, taking down the rest of the building.
Of course this is basically impossible in a normal 1 or 2-story house, but there is a lot more potential energy stored in a 110-story building.
..lol what fire ?...see the massive explosion on impact?(thats your heat source being blown off in seconds).....then a lot of black smoke, just like you see when you put out a fire right away ....just smoldering black smoke..in all the clips ive looked at over the last 7 years ive NEVER seen fire, have you ?,has anyone ?.
...how about that building that was FULLY on fire for 20 hours or more in the clip,was still standing the next day.
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 14, 2008, 06:48:55 PM
..lol what fire ?...see the massive explosion on impact?(thats your heat source being blown off in seconds).....then a lot of black smoke, just like you see when you put out a fire right away ....just smoldering black smoke..in all the clips ive looked at over the last 7 years ive NEVER seen fire, have you ?,has anyone ?.
...how about that building that was FULLY on fire for 20 hours or more in the clip,was still standing the next day.
So these buildings are not on fire? Seriously?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg171.imageshack.us%2Fimg171%2F2981%2Fwtc31so1.jpg&hash=a7cf9d8a9e39cc0e73135bb511a8a950cb1825a0)
Quote from: madsen on September 14, 2008, 07:12:12 PM
So these buildings are not on fire? Seriously?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg171.imageshack.us%2Fimg171%2F2981%2Fwtc31so1.jpg&hash=a7cf9d8a9e39cc0e73135bb511a8a950cb1825a0)
if you expect me to believe that a little tiny flame like that turned the WTC to dust, your just embarrassing your self now.
....i dont live in the USA(thank god) and can think for my self.
..it seems a lot of people from USA cry that 3k americans lost there life on that day(and try to focus alot of the attention on that fact alone)..how many people have USA killed from that day till now ?.....over 1million now.....your 3k on the day of 911 just does not compare or ever justify that for a second, i wont be supprised at all when the day comes the rest of planet earth decides to blow USA off the ground.
..some of you really need to step back and take a REAL look for your self, and not what the gov/media feeds you.
..and just to make it clear im not a hater of USA at all, i dont hate any one or anything, but its becoming easy to see why the rest of the world is hating USA more and more every day. ya just cant go around killing and invading and then saying your the good guys.
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 14, 2008, 08:18:51 PM
if you expect me to believe that a little tiny flame like that turned the WTC to dust, your just embarrassing your self now.
....i dont live in the USA(thank god) and can think for my self.
..it seems a lot of people from USA cry that 3k americans lost there life on that day(and try to focus alot of the attention on that fact alone)..how many people have USA killed from that day till now ?.....over 1million now.....your 3k on the day of 911 just does not compare or ever justify that for a second, i wont be supprised at all when the day comes the rest of planet earth decides to blow USA off the ground.
..some of you really need to step back and take a REAL look for your self, and not what the gov/media feeds you.
..and just to make it clear im not a hater of USA at all, i dont hate any one or anything, but its becoming easy to see why the rest of the world is hating USA more and more every day. ya just cant go around killing and invading and then saying your the good guys.
Don't you see the smoke billowing out of the tower on the right? It looks to me as if it's coming out of multiple floors. What's the source?
See this page (http://giga2.colozone.nl/wtc/miscpics/page.shtml) for a higher quality picture, along with several others.
Some americans are starting to smell the coffee now...even college profs.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Andover_law_school_convenes_Bush_War_0913.html
Regards...
Quote from: madsen on September 14, 2008, 08:25:48 PM
Don't you see the smoke billowing out of the tower on the right? It looks to me as if it's coming out of multiple floors. What's the source?
See this page (http://giga2.colozone.nl/wtc/miscpics/page.shtml) for a higher quality picture, along with several others.
to me its SMOLDERING! carpet or something, the building is NOT engulfed in fire period.(nice try tho).
btw you know there the first two buildings IN HISTORY to have *fallen* down from fire?.
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 14, 2008, 08:48:58 PM
to me its SMOLDERING! carpet or something, the building is NOT engulfed in fire period.(nice try tho).
btw you know there the first two buildings IN HISTORY to have *fallen* down from fire?.
Another picture of smoldering carpet. No fire, of course.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg508.imageshack.us%2Fimg508%2F4334%2Fwtc8vz0.jpg&hash=84f4aeeaa257d8390d108b61b5af7333276d8ee1)
that is a lot of smoke, meaning there is not an intense fire!!!
the smoke is also rather dark, this shows the temperature of the fire is very low.
read and watch this carefully:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/index.html
eden
Quote from: Eden on September 15, 2008, 03:40:32 AM
that is a lot of smoke, meaning there is not an intense fire!!!
the smoke is also rather dark, this shows the temperature of the fire is very low.
read and watch this carefully:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/index.html
eden
id have to agree with you there, thats a lot of smoldering, there is no real massive fire, like in the clip of that other building that was fully ablaze and was still standing 20 hours later.
Quote from: Eden on September 15, 2008, 03:40:32 AM
that is a lot of smoke, meaning there is not an intense fire!!!
the smoke is also rather dark, this shows the temperature of the fire is very low.
read and watch this carefully:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/index.html
eden
But you do agree there is a fire?
To quote famous philosopher JD Clampett...
"Pitiful...just pitiful."
Regards...
Quote from: madsen on September 15, 2008, 11:00:27 AM
But you do agree there is a fire?
there is not enough fire to burn the wood of my fireplace I burn every single day;
and the metal plate (1,5mm) in the fireplace does not melt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wake up!
Quote from: Eden on September 15, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
there is not enough fire to burn the wood of my fireplace I burn every single day;
and the metal plate (1,5mm) in the fireplace does not melt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wake up!
You must have some fireplace!
Also, steel doesn't have to melt in order to weaken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s BBC Reported Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early-- TWICE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlvlNiTuqAI&feature=related President knew of WTC crash before leaving hotel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA5VsSF6FZA&feature=related BBC reporter losing it (unedited) + BBC defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc&feature=related BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c&feature=related Never before seen Video of WTC 9/11 attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAwSAEXHkI&feature=related WTC - Video Not Shown In Europe Or USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcHHl_m8ocg Slowed Down WTC UFO very interesting japanese version but #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1MIDF2XM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fH7c8H6SNw&feature=related Rare Amateur 911 Videos
Hi all,
I still don't understand why everyone believes in these "YouTube" videos, there the worse quality doctored misinforming rag snippits that a 10 year old can make with any video editing software. Why don't any of you get a good copy of anything good but "NO" I want to watch YouTube crap ..... does anyone here know what a "QUALITY" video is ??
In the mean time "please" read this ........ thank you
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
and
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0711/banovic-0711.html
Best Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 16, 2008, 02:51:13 AM
Hi all,
I still don't understand why everyone believes in these "YouTube" videos, there the worse quality doctored misinforming rag snippits that a 10 year old can make with any video editing software. Why don't any of you get a good copy of anything good but "NO" I want to watch YouTube crap ..... does anyone here know what a "QUALITY" video is ??
In the mean time "please" read this ........ thank you
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
and
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0711/banovic-0711.html
Best Regards,
Fuzzy
personaly i could not give a crap about what ANY site says good or bad,i also dont give a crap about the QUALITY you keep ranting about, i can see VERY VERY CLEARLY in the video that i linked that building A= smoking for less than 1 hour and *falls* down and turns to f****g dust, while building B= FULLLLLLLY ABLAZE and after 20!!!!! hours is STILL STANDING.
thats the WHOLE point of why i started this thread, and YOU pipe in with HHO BULLSHIT AND CRY ABOUT WHY IS THIS HERE, if you dont like it FOOK OFF,...and if your worried about the qual of the vids because ya cant see something in them, blow it up, or remove your stupid goggles?
IM ASKING A VERY VERY SIMPLE QUESTION HERE ( whats ya gut feeling? )
i love cats but you should really have a snake as ya pic.
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 17, 2008, 06:09:56 AM
IM ASKING A VERY VERY SIMPLE QUESTION HERE ( whats ya gut feeling? )
i love cats but you should really have a snake as ya pic.
Hi b0rg13,
I believe what I saw on 9/11 two jets hit the the world trade center towers , and they fell because of the damage from the impacts. No mirrors or flying saucers, its what it is.
It seems I've upset you ....... but the other posters haven't ......... I don't know why you singled me out from the rest .... but I hope your not taking this personal that wasn't any intension of mine.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Fe fi fo fum...I smell the blood of a tr- - .
Anybody for fill in the blanks ?
Regards...
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 17, 2008, 01:34:46 PM
Hi b0rg13,
I believe what I saw on 9/11 two jets hit the the world trade center towers , and they fell because of the damage from the impacts. No mirrors or flying saucers, its what it is.
It seems I've upset you ....... but the other posters haven't ......... I don't know why you singled me out from the rest .... but I hope your not taking this personal that wasn't any intension of mine.
Regards,
Fuzzy
nope not upset at you personaly, i just dont get why people cant answer a simple question sometimes,....can you guess what cap might be saying ?.
borg,
Either it was obvious in spite of the fact that I left a 'blank' out, or you are good at reading between the lines.
Should have read tr- - -
I notice we've lost our 'edit' function with the change of servers.
Regards...
Quote from: b0rg13 on September 17, 2008, 04:36:40 PM
nope not upset at you personaly, i just dont get why people cant answer a simple question sometimes,....can you guess what cap might be saying ?.
Hi b0rg13,
I'm glad your not mad, sometimes I get carried away at the moment. As far as Cap-Z-ro's "clues" sometimes it's hard to understand, at this point ??
He is correct about the edit function ..... real bummer.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Hello Borg,
My "gut" feeling is, these buildings fell on structure failers not able to stand to the damage. These buildings are designed on a failure rate of 1.5. Meaning if any part of the structure is stressed past .50% of it's failure rate it will do just that, it will fail. These buildings lost that percentage at varying times because the aircraft hit at different critical angles on the buildings. An example would be spacecraft which are engineeered at 4 times the fail rate, and even still, we lose spacecraft and lives ( in all countries). My opionion is that the trade centers could burn for the 20 hours of your example video burning with no problem without structual damage. Fly a big ass jet into them, gone.
My other thoughts would be, to quote you somewhat " thank God I'm not from the USA", wait up dick , u don't have to be from the USA, Your wife and kids, your mother or father, your brother or sister could have been on any one of those FOUR AIRCRAFT THAT KILLED CITIZENS FROM AROUND THE WORLD that day. Do we really have to have this conversation? Do you really think the US government flew a jet into the Pentagon? Or are u just pissed that your cocaine import just fell by 90%.?
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 17, 2008, 05:26:02 PM
I notice we've lost our 'edit' function with the change of servers.
Regards...
Hi Cap-Z-ro,
I guess we all missed the new rules posted by Stephan ...... http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5554.msg126353.html#msg126353
called "Terms and Conditions" -
5.8 Content which was posted to the forums can be edited for changes or typos for 1 hour.
After this period you must post a new message to update your postings.
This ensures the verification of timing events and prevents data misuse and data manipulation at
a later time. If a user wishes to delete his content after this 1 hour period he has to apply
by email for it.
( If you are not sure, if you want to have a posting to stay in the forum, please donÂÃ,´t post !)
It looks like this should be a must read for all members .... alot there.
Regards,
Fuzzy
@ fuzzy
You earlier stated "What the FUCK does this subject have to do with OverUnity !! "
Then later on post â€Ã...“This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior.â€Ã,Â
Were you trying to remind yourself?
As for the overunity, (actually the name of the web site in free energy. It could be wind, solar, plasma/dirty water, these all produce free energy)
Well we need to study the amount of potential energy ( height of the building, weight of the buildings) and resulting destruction(building turning to dust, pyroclastic flow of dust).
Sorry, to me, it doesn’t add up. Then throw in molten pools of metal for WEEKS afterwards under all three building that fell(more energy unexplained). Molten metal coming out of the south tower seconds before it falls. And just the fact that the most protected air space in the world was penetrated with NO one fired or court marshaled. Actually all higher ranking military personal involved have since gotten promotions. If you have a good explanation for these events please enlighten us because we are all looking for these answers.
And why do you keep posting to this thread. I ignore the threads that I have no interest in
@madsen
WOULDENT STEEL STRENGTHEN WITH A LITTLE HEAT?
I MEAN YEAH IT WOULD GET SOFTER BUT IT WOULD STILL BE STRONG AND IT WOULD NOW HAVE A BIT LESS RIGIDITY THINK OF STEEL AS BEING FROZEN AT ROOM TEMP IT BREAKS EASY WHEN YOU BANG IT WITH A SHARP WHACK BUT IF ITS ALL FLOPPY?
Quote from: Tempest on September 18, 2008, 12:07:32 PM
@ fuzzy
You earlier stated "What the FUCK does this subject have to do with OverUnity !! "
Then later on post â€Ã...“This is a PUBLIC FORUM. Anyone in the world can view it. It would be SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to leave posts that disparage a person's character in such a forum. NO ONE has the right to turn this forum into a billboard for their rude and uncivil behavior.â€Ã,Â
Were you trying to remind yourself?
As for the overunity, (actually the name of the web site in free energy. It could be wind, solar, plasma/dirty water, these all produce free energy)
Well we need to study the amount of potential energy ( height of the building, weight of the buildings) and resulting destruction(building turning to dust, pyroclastic flow of dust).
Sorry, to me, it doesn’t add up. Then throw in molten pools of metal for WEEKS afterwards under all three building that fell(more energy unexplained). Molten metal coming out of the south tower seconds before it falls. And just the fact that the most protected air space in the world was penetrated with NO one fired or court marshaled. Actually all higher ranking military personal involved have since gotten promotions. If you have a good explanation for these events please enlighten us because we are all looking for these answers.
And why do you keep posting to this thread. I ignore the threads that I have no interest in
Hi Tempest,
If you would kindly read "all" my posts ( all 36 available thru profile ) not just this subject and threads but the others I have posted in, things may be more clearer. I read them alot to see where someone is coming from all the time.
As for the "molten metal" under the towers I have seen "NO" real evidence of such a thing ..... please read the links I provided on this and the other 9/11 subjects on this Forum ( I do not go from subject to subject spaming like some others )
And I have tried to enlighten some here ... such as the diffrence in falling time of tower 1 and tower 2 by indicating that there are two diffrent video camera formats one being USA type NTSC @ 29.97 frames per second and European type PAL @ 25 frames per second. When playing a PAL video on a NTSC video player that playes at 29.97 frames per second you are adding 4 frames more each second, in 9 seconds you add 36 frames that shouldn't be there or about 1.7 seconds of faster movement. As you know everyone that had something that would hold film after the first tower fell was being used including video cameras with NTSC and PAL format and the exact same video tape is used in both units.
And I try to answer all questions directed at me such as yours
Regards,
Fuzzy
NIST engineer, John Gross, denies the existance of molten metal
please watch the whole video, don' worry video very short.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7180303712325092501
and since you are offering to answer our questions, please tell me how a slow jetliner enters washington airspace, flies a 270 degree turn around the pentagon while dropping 5000 feet and slams into the pentagon 30 feet off of the ground. Now mind you that washington has a radar safe zone of 17 mile and a kill zone of 10 mile. Who kept the fighter pilots on the ground after the second tower was hit. Because at that point, is was obvious that we were under attact. And who shut off the surface to air missle system in washington. And why can't we be shown all of the 83 videos of the pentagon being hit. If you have the answers then please clue use in.
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on September 18, 2008, 12:59:46 PM
@madsen
WOULDENT STEEL STRENGTHEN WITH A LITTLE HEAT?
I MEAN YEAH IT WOULD GET SOFTER BUT IT WOULD STILL BE STRONG AND IT WOULD NOW HAVE A BIT LESS RIGIDITY THINK OF STEEL AS BEING FROZEN AT ROOM TEMP IT BREAKS EASY WHEN YOU BANG IT WITH A SHARP WHACK BUT IF ITS ALL FLOPPY?
Hi PYRODIN,
You could be right that steel would become less brittle when heated. Here's some info from the Popular Mechanics 9/11 article that states more clearly what I was trying to say:
QuoteJet fuel burns at 800ÂÃ,° to 1500ÂÃ,°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750ÂÃ,°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength â€ââ,¬Â and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100ÂÃ,°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800ÂÃ,° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832ÂÃ,°F.
Quote from: Nomen luni on September 18, 2008, 05:11:51 PM
@Fuzzy- since you found these hidden frames in online 911 'truth' videos, can't you post one specific example of a hdden frame you found, and tell us which documentary it is from, at what point? Or are you trying to say you found the evidence then promptly deleted it? You say this is in a lot of the 'truther' videos, so you must have looked at quite a few. Surely you have one example to show?
Hi Nomen luni,
The video frames you are talking about are not hidden, there there for anyone to see if they have a professional DVD player capable of stopping on every frame ( 30 in one second ) although you should get lucky with the commercially available kind looking carefully. As I stated in a earlier post there are several others that are involved "five" to be exact, between us we have spent over 15,000 hours of our time and money in two years viewing material acquired, submitted or purchased videos and DVD's. For me to tell any information other than what has already been said would be a disservice to the hard work of the other individuals that spent so much time on this project and a opportunity for the people (truthers) involved to remove the "subliminal" messages that were placed on the DVD's that are currently for sale. Believe me I'm not here to sell DVD's or videos but the more of them that are in the hands of others will just bolster our findings, similar to the "Disney" movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" the laser disc that had frames of animated nudes on it.
I'm sure this is not what you want to hear but I hope you can understand my reasoning behind the decision of those taking part in this effort. We have also just started working on a computer program that can find these anomalies in DVD's or video disc's at least thats what they say.
Also I would like to add that Stephan ( the one and only site owner / moderator ) is getting personally involved in the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory, I'm not sure how much longer I will be hanging around ........ I thought he would have been neutral, but has now shown a totally bias oppinion in this subject which troubles me deeply.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: Tempest on September 18, 2008, 06:03:35 PM
NIST engineer, John Gross, denies the existance of molten metal
please watch the whole video, don' worry video very short.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7180303712325092501
and since you are offering to answer our questions, please tell me how a slow jetliner enters washington airspace, flies a 270 degree turn around the pentagon while dropping 5000 feet and slams into the pentagon 30 feet off of the ground. Now mind you that washington has a radar safe zone of 17 mile and a kill zone of 10 mile. Who kept the fighter pilots on the ground after the second tower was hit. Because at that point, is was obvious that we were under attact. And who shut off the surface to air missle system in washington. And why can't we be shown all of the 83 videos of the pentagon being hit. If you have the answers then please clue use in.
Hi Tempest,
I would have to refer you to my reply on thread #66 on this subject of molten metal ....... http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
As far as the Pentagon I wasn't there and as for flying jets, hahahaha no one that knows me would fly with me even if I knew how. I can only go by published information on that one ....... I have no clue. It would be nice to be able to study any videos that are available but no such luck, at least not from me or anyone I know yet.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 18, 2008, 11:45:05 PM
Also I would like to add that Stephan ( the one and only site owner / moderator ) is getting personally involved in the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory, I'm not sure how much longer I will be hanging around ........ I thought he would have been neutral, but has now shown a totally bias oppinion in this subject which troubles me deeply.
Regards,
Fuzzy
Why would this trouble you deeply? thats a bit much, dont think you will kicked off for supporting the US GOV. 911 conspiracy theory or somthin do ya? naaaa
I agree with Nomen -
btw:
There are subliminal messages in just about everything, maybe not cut in frames and all that, but in situational settings and symbolism, people do it intentionaly and unintentionaly.
everything you see or hear affects you in different ways-
example: hours of tv, even without any spliced scenes could trigger a response when the right stimulus is presented
heres the def. of subÂÃ,·limÂÃ,·iÂÃ,·nal
subÂÃ,·limÂÃ,·iÂÃ,·nal â€ââ,¬Å"adjective Psychology. existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness;
being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual: a subliminal stimulus; subliminal advertising.
[Origin: 1885â€ââ,¬Å"90; sub- + L lÄ«min- (s. of lÄ«men) threshold + -al1]
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on September 19, 2008, 03:58:01 PM
Why would this trouble you deeply? thats a bit much, dont think you will kicked off for supporting the US GOV. 911 conspiracy theory or somthin do ya? naaaa
I agree with Nomen -
btw:
There are subliminal messages in just about everything, maybe not cut in frames and all that, but in situational settings and symbolism, people do it intentionaly and unintentionaly.
everything you see or hear affects you in different ways-
example: hours of tv, even without any spliced scenes could trigger a response when the right stimulus is presented
heres the def. of subÂÃ,·limÂÃ,·iÂÃ,·nal
subÂÃ,·limÂÃ,·iÂÃ,·nal â€ââ,¬Å"adjective Psychology. existing or operating below the threshold of consciousness;
being or employing stimuli insufficiently intense to produce a discrete sensation but often being or designed to be intense enough to influence the mental processes or the behavior of the individual: a subliminal stimulus; subliminal advertising.
[Origin: 1885â€ââ,¬Å"90; sub- + L lÄ«min- (s. of lÄ«men) threshold + -al1]
Hey PYRODIN123321,
I would think by now it would be obvious to you and others that with what has been posted by me that I do know at least something on this matter. The death rays, flying saucers, zions, Jews, smoking mirrors and mystery helicopters to me just don't cut it "PERIOD".
Maybe there was alot of dust during the colapse ....... 100 floors of 2' x 4' ceiling tile, paper and sprayed on asbestos fire retardant above the ceiling tile and concrete ?? (have you looked above a "T Bar" grid ceiling at all the crap up there)
Maybe the molten metal is 1000's and 1000's of pounds of "copper" and "lead" from the building plumbing and electrical wiring, phone and data systems and devices .... big difference in melting temperatures from "STEEL" but looks the same when "melted" and "hot" (red) it would run actually thru the debris from the heat to a low spot ?
Controlled demolition or construction... first this is not a steel box on box on box design building simular to the "Empire State Building" ...... its a "TUBE" design building, able to sway 4-6 feet 100 floors top to bottom for any winds, the floors setting on "cleats" that are attached to the exterior walls, the exterior wall gets damaged from a large enough impact or heat the floor falls. ( your a draftsman and may already know the diffrence or should )
To me it's not .... throw everything at it and see what sticks, believe what you each want, our governments are corrupt and out to get "YOU" the black suburban is down the street and helicopters are over head, the guys in sunglasses are across the street, there listening to you when you talk on the phone, their in your computer watching right now !!
I have nothing to hide so I don't care, I know what I know let them "whom ever" come and get me !!
Oh, I really do know what subliminal is if you would kindly read "all" my posts. ( all 37 available thru my profile )
Do you have any 100 story buildings that we can be use as an example other than the two World Trade Center Towers for "DESTRUCTION" references ?? ( dumb question huh )
Regards,
Fuzzy
Now you are down to pointing out the site owner to excuse and your later departure, because of the fact that you are a frustrated troll, and do not have a point.
This seems to be a troll trend lately...another troll called Stephan a nazi last pm.
Why drag it out any longer...haven't you been trolling around here long enough ?
I,m sure there must be a Britany Spears message board somewhere.
Bon voyageee.
Regards...
Quote from: fuzzytomcat on September 20, 2008, 05:30:55 AM
To me it's not .... throw everything at it and see what sticks, believe what you each want, our governments are corrupt and out to get "YOU" the black suburban is down the street and helicopters are over head, the guys in sunglasses are across the street, there listening to you when you talk on the phone, their in your computer watching right now !!
I have nothing to hide so I don't care, I know what I know let them "whom ever" come and get me !!
Oh, I really do know what subliminal is if you would kindly read "all" my posts. ( all 37 available thru my profile )
Do you have any 100 story buildings that we can be use as an example other than the two World Trade Center Towers for "DESTRUCTION" references ?? ( dumb question huh )
Regards,
Fuzzy
"I have nothing to hide so I don't care, I know what I know let them "whom ever" come and get me !!"
Having that kind of perspective breeds despotism. Maybe you have nothing to hide but it also means your cowing down to any accusation before there is one or in other words your askin for a bully or dipshit cop to push you around and do whatever they want for fear of accusation
FUCK THAT >:(
How can a man be free and happy when he's afraid of losing everything to another or to a oppressive government.
Freedom from fear of oppression by others is important, are you a MAN or are you a bug living under mans foot?
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I DO CARE!!
"THEY" CAN COME GET ME WHEN IM DEAD :-X
I don't however believe "they" care what i do or say unless it will potentially cause a problem for them "they" got bigger fish I'm sure
Man i just want people to know that our gov is out of control i mean no matter how it happend i just cant believe all that destruction from two planes with out the gov helping maximize the damage by shutting down NORAD and planning to practice the exact same scenario on the exact same day it happend C'MON
would it not profit them to help along a real planned attack? War is profitable..
And no i don't have blueprints of "100 story buildings " I'm not an engineering draftsman, mostly oilfield stuff
:D ha yeah the def came off a little assholeish
honestly i didn't know the exact def so i looked it up ;D
Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on September 20, 2008, 03:12:36 PM
"I have nothing to hide so I don't care, I know what I know let them "whom ever" come and get me !!"
Having that kind of perspective breeds despotism. Maybe you have nothing to hide but it also means your cowing down to any accusation before there is one or in other words your askin for a bully or dipshit cop to push you around and do whatever they want for fear of accusation
FUCK THAT >:(
How can a man be free and happy when he's afraid of losing everything to another or to a oppressive government.
Freedom from fear of oppression by others is important, are you a MAN or are you a bug living under mans foot?
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I DO CARE!!
"THEY" CAN COME GET ME WHEN IM DEAD :-X
I don't however believe "they" care what i do or say unless it will potentially cause a problem for them "they" got bigger fish I'm sure
Man i just want people to know that our gov is out of control i mean no matter how it happend i just cant believe all that destruction from two planes with out the gov helping maximize the damage by shutting down NORAD and planning to practice the exact same scenario on the exact same day it happend C'MON
would it not profit them to help along a real planned attack? War is profitable..
And no i don't have blueprints of "100 story buildings " I'm not an engineering draftsman, mostly oilfield stuff
:D ha yeah the def came off a little assholeish
honestly i didn't know the exact def so i looked it up ;D
Hi PYRODIN123321,
I'm sorry I just got carried away again reading all the crazy 9/11 topics and posts. I do care to a point ... as we have to trust someone in the government, there are good people, and some >:( are less than evil. I'm only one in 300 million American's who rely on the powers to be to protect me the wicked stuff stored and used across the United States, from our WMD's of many wars past to the nuclear material found everywhere including the smoke detectors in your home or the other humans across the world that hate us for whatever reason and are willing to kill us all and die for it. The Bad apples will be found they always are but the toll on todays humanity :'( may never be repaired right or wrong. The world runs on profit it's been that way since the dawn of trade, just beware of the "Privateer" they would give you a dollar for your sole and tell you how much of a good deal you got.
I'm attaching some WTC construction photographs of the "Lego Tube" design, first of it's kind ...... not used today. Please note how the floor is connected to the exterior walls. ( kinda rink e dink if you ask me )
Best Regards,
Fuzzy