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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

teslaalset

I believe it's already too late to control the introduction of LENR products in the market soon by politics.
There are already too much details known.
Besides, Rossi hinted already of his technology being available open source on medium term (his interview on Jan 14th this year).

In general US citizens are paranoid thinking that the government and military can control all of this.
If Rossi will be too much hindered in the US he will move to Europe or worst case to Africa where regulations and control are a bit less tight.
In my view this can't be controlled worldwide, regulations will always be slow, while Rossi will launch within this year or early next year.

It's kind of lucky Rossi is producing in the US and Defkalion in Europe. That makes the chance that all of this will be suppressed or too much controlled slim.
Once a few products are in the market, it will be very soon replicated and the essence will be openly available.
Times are changed, one publication on the internet and secrets are out.

I agree that if LENR product will be rolled out soon and with large quantities this could cause some political instability.
But a huge transition will not happen within one year, it will happen over 15 - 20 years.

chessnyt

@Teslaalset:
I agree with almost everything you just posted.  A view that further encapsulates mine is found at the following link:

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/the-emergence-of-lenr-and-its-predictable-effect-on-the-economy/

Here's an excerpt from the above mentioned link:

"To summarize, in my opinion the best way to estimate how the emergence of LENR onto the market place will effect our economy is to look at the know effects of higher oil prices. Take for instance the current spike in oil prices: just when companies have finally stepped up hiring, rising oil prices are threatening to halt the U.S. economy’s gains. On the other hand, LENR will predictably lower energy prices, amplifying U.S. economic gains.
Cheaper products, more jobs, more money to spend â€" WOW! The positive feedback effects could mean geometric economic expansion. The future will be so bright, we’ll have to wear shades!"


Cheers,

Chess

teslaalset

Earlier I indicated that I expect a similar boost to global economies will happen compared to what internet brought us.
There is one exeption in the comparison however: In Europe in particular a huge amount of tax is raised on fossile fuels (e.g. in my country the tax percentage on petrol is approx. 85%).
In general this means governments will get less tax income from taxed energy sources if LENR becomes main stream.
And taxing LENR based energy sources can not be justified, since there is no harmfull waste like CO2.

This means that other (existing) tax rates will be raised to compensate losses in tax income of governments.
In Europe discussions are onging to change the tax system such that in particular an increased tax will be raised on goods.
Resources are becoming more scarce, or get hijacked (look at what e.g. China is doing).

But in general, people will benifit until the LENR roll-out has matured.
More jobs, cheaper products (in the early phase of the LENR age), more areas to build houses in colder climates because of more affordable heating, larger areas of agriculture (greenhouses) etc.
Lot's of new R&D efforts and eager investors.

First economic analysis on the effect of LENR are appearing on the internet:
http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=14094
(too optimistic in my view)

gravityblock

Quote from: lwh on February 20, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
I'd like to suggest people take their theorizing about how these devices might work to another thread, and leave this one to serve its original purpose as a venue for relaying news about the bringing of these devices to market.
No disrespect intended towards any of the proponents of any of the conflicting theories, but when you start arguing and insulting each other that itself is showing disrespect to everyone else who has to witness it.  If it's that important to you, take it outside as it were and start another thread that others don't have to see if they don't want to. 

I don't think there's any harm in posting links here to theoretical information on other threads or websites that others can follow if they're interested, but this thread in the news section isn't the place for debating or arguing or trying to educate others about the theoretical science behind how the subject of this news thread works.

Thanks for your consideration.   

As you wish.  I'll keep quite then, but I would like to add, what I proposed isn't based on a theory.  What I'm saying is an inarguable fact.  You'll all see soon enough.  Also, I won't be starting a dedicated thread to discuss how to successfully build a LENR.  Why?  Because it will fall on deaf ears like it did in this thread.  I won't be wasting any more of your time or my time.

Take care,

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Gwandau


@teslaalset and chessnyt

"Cold Fusion Now" depicts a wonderful future of smooth transition and altruistic behaviour from the energy cartel.

In my opinion this is utterly childish. Much lesser threats to the energy cartel have resulted in a sad story for the opponent.

I don´t think LENR is on safe ground yet. They are actually far from safety, and by succumbing to greed and keeping it all secret
they are actually making it quite easy for the guys that they are threatening.

Nobody besides AR and Defkalion has been able to create LENR with same energy efficiency.

NOBODY.

And it took Andrea Rossi 18 years of research to get to the point he is today.
What the rest of us besides Defkalion know today about the e-cat is just about as much as they knew about the Nickel-hydrogen phenomenon in the 90's.
The whole LENR movement is still only known by a very limited number of people, far from the main stream media, and most of us I believe will be easily misled if AR and D-K are effectively discredited.

It's a piece of cake for the energy cartel to put an end to it all. There is an abundance of means to put an end to the progress.

It's not about being positive or negative, it's just how the world is.
Do you really believe we are living in a fair world with a fair chance for everyone to succeed?
Not until it is all open source we are a little more on the safe side.


I don't really understand how anyone can miss the following alarm signals:

1.  Andrea Rossis only MW buyer is a shady Anonymous who has ordered every unit available, thus securing all production into 
     one single direction.


2.  The choice to change supplier from National Instruments to a Anonymous supplier was not the choice of Andrea Rossi.
     It was the choise of the buyer.

     Don't you see what I see?

3.  As a result of this move by the Anonymous buyer also the electronic supplier to the domestic e-cats has been put behind the   
     curtain.

4.  And even worse is the conclusion:  Everything seems to become deliberately associated with the Anonymous buyer.

     Andrea Rossi is slowly loosing his footing.    Quoting the "E-cat World" February 19 :

     From what Rossi says here it appears that he no longer is the sole decision maker in the development and commercialization 
     of the E-Cat  - the ‘Trust to which Leonardo Corporation now belongs’ is making decisions which possibly may be overriding
     Rossi's own ideas.  /end of quote

    There ARE two alternatives here, nobody can deny that:

1. Andrea Rossi is in good hands, the Anonymous buyer is a reliable group of people, charing the revolutionary path of LENR.
2. Andrea Rossi is unknowingly subjected to an organization created with one goal, to stop public access to this technology.

Hope I am wrong and you are right

Gwandau