UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[MileHigh]

PW:

His "explanation" as to why the current can't be measured at the negative end of the battery stack says a lot, and it does not inspire confidence.

I second that emotion!

I just checked and UFO is not understanding this sentence in the his link for "Measuring Tip & Glossary - KYORITSU" and misinterpreting it as "You have to measure current from the positive terminal of the battery."

Clamp on to a conductor just the same way as with AC current measurement using an AC current clamp meter. In the case of DC clamp meters the reading is positive (+) when the current is flowing from the upside to the underside of the clamp meter.

MileHigh

[picowatt]

Quote from UFO:

"Most of times...some "Experts" believe they know it all...til one single day...they get to "find out"... they didn't know absolutely nada, nothing at all..."

Exactly...

Sounds a bit like the kettle calling the pot black.

[Ian Koglin]

With all due respect, when he switches on the second switch, the motor speed increases and the amp draw on the first set of brushes (first switch) goes to half its previous value.  The second set of brushes/windings switched in are acting as a second motoring winding and the load is therefore shared by both brush pairs, hence both switched leads.  And that is exactly what the measuremenrt he showed demonstrated. 

Measuring where he did only measures half the motor drive current.  Measuring on any of the single wires used to connect the batteries together (or the knife blade) will give a true current reading.

Anyone that buys into his reasoning regarding why the motor drive current can't be measured at the negative battery wire should be ashamed.   He should be called on that.

Several members duplicated the little RS motor mod and when someone began to perform actual performance comparison measurements UFO went off the deep end and then said the motor was only a small model not intended to prove any OU (nor did it even appear more efficient).  So what was the point of that motor mod?

It seems he is now attempting to measure only what and where it makes his system look good.

If he does not/will not redo the motor power measurement with the clamp meter on a single battery interconnect wire, both his ethics and understanding of power measurement should be questioned.

This is not the first time he has demonstrated a lack of understanding about power measurement.  For example, when he claimed OU on 12-12, he used 50 amps @ 240 as his generating capability, even though his gen is only rated at 25 amps @240 (and I doubt his motor could ever drive that gen to full load without producing smoke).

Sorry, all the party favors are back in the closet.

PW

   

G'Day  picowat
Without prejudice

It costs just $12.00 to buy 2 RS motors probably $5.00 for the wire to rewind and say 6 to 8 hours to make the mods   
Just make one as UFO has explained (Read the posts first  follow exactly) then when you have finished show the results

I think you probably wont because if you do build exactly you will see that he is right and you wont want to do that.

You said that people there have built and been dissapointed No they are not because everyone there that has succeeded has helped the others so that they can finish it and see for themselves

Com'on picowat
All the replicators on UFO's site have paid thier $12 made the mods seen the results bought various other motors some costing a couple of $100 made the mods and
Now are buying $600.00 motors BUT because they have to unwind the motors and make the mods one of the participants "Machinealive" spent hours discussing with the Motor company to make a deal where the Motor is un assembled UNWIRED so as the other participants would not have to unwind the motor he did not make any money on the deal nor did any one else The motor firm has agreed to supply all the participants as a reduced rate so they can further their learning

Now why would every one that has made the mods to the RS toy motors do the tests then buy larger different ones Of their own choosing test these
THEN TURN AROUND AND NOW SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY just because they like to spend money. THEY CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THESE MACHINES CAN DO
and FORSEE THE FUTURE CAPABILITIED.

When UFO showed his premature video there were a lot of people jumped to conclusions  and tried to explain how it just could not be possible to do what he said

He has stated this is not his experiment it is our experimenting he has done all the experimenting before he started his 2 main threads

One of the members/Participants on UFO's Forums stated this and I am sure it is the sentiments of all those who are actually replicating UFO's Mods/Disclosure
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@ALL who are concerned of us being a misled flock of innocent guys.

If you feel we were addict to a guru and need enlightment - you are wrong, completely wrong!
If you think research were a path along well known side rails and the only exciting task were to puzzle with known matters - you are wrong, completely wrong.
If you feel you were the first who shares these concerns - you are wrong, completely wrong. We ourselves were the first asking theses questions.

We all are aware of being on a jurney with no paved path, even no game runway in sight. Many other threads are on similar ways, all trying to research the terra incognita (unkown world). This is the jurney we choose freely and in full responibility!
Along that we are willing to take risks and everybody measures his own amount of risk - freely and unaffected by any guru. Risk contains the inherent possibility of going wrong. We know that! No risk no fun!

There pop up some gurus here from time to time trying to give enlightment we did not request. If you think we need unrequested help - you are wrong, completely wrong.
Obviously you did not get it: Chiming in and suggesting we were immature and under-aged creatures. You are wrong, completely wrong! This is a serious insult you never would accept to suffer yourself.
So please accept us to go the way of life we choose - asking for solutions and not for worries. And everybody shall stand away from this thread and any similar who does not accept the risk of research.
JohnS
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I joined this thread as I thought people were interested in what UFO was doing and I thought I might be of some help

So to You all here If you want I will continue to show my progress here but will not anymore comment to anyone else who make a negative comment without actually making his own replication and showing his results.

Kindest Regards to you all
Kogs

[picowatt]

G'Day  picowat
Without prejudice

It costs just $12.00 to buy 2 RS motors probably $5.00 for the wire to rewind and say 6 to 8 hours to make the mods   
Just make one as UFO has explained (Read the posts first  follow exactly) then when you have finished show the results

I think you probably wont because if you do build exactly you will see that he is right and you wont want to do that.

You said that people there have built and been dissapointed No they are not because everyone there that has succeeded has helped the others so that they can finish it and see for themselves

Com'on picowat
All the replicators on UFO's site have paid thier $12 made the mods seen the results bought various other motors some costing a couple of $100 made the mods and
Now are buying $600.00 motors BUT because they have to unwind the motors and make the mods one of the participants "Machinealive" spent hours discussing with the Motor company to make a deal where the Motor is un assembled UNWIRED so as the other participants would not have to unwind the motor he did not make any money on the deal nor did any one else The motor firm has agreed to supply all the participants as a reduced rate so they can further their learning

Now why would every one that has made the mods to the RS toy motors do the tests then buy larger different ones Of their own choosing test these
THEN TURN AROUND AND NOW SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY just because they like to spend money. THEY CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THESE MACHINES CAN DO
and FORSEE THE FUTURE CAPABILITIED.

When UFO showed his premature video there were a lot of people jumped to conclusions  and tried to explain how it just could not be possible to do what he said

He has stated this is not his experiment it is our experimenting he has done all the experimenting before he started his 2 main threads

One of the members/Participants on UFO's Forums stated this and I am sure it is the sentiments of all those who are actually replicating UFO's Mods/Disclosure
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ALL who are concerned of us being a misled flock of innocent guys.

If you feel we were addict to a guru and need enlightment - you are wrong, completely wrong!
If you think research were a path along well known side rails and the only exciting task were to puzzle with known matters - you are wrong, completely wrong.
If you feel you were the first who shares these concerns - you are wrong, completely wrong. We ourselves were the first asking theses questions.

We all are aware of being on a jurney with no paved path, even no game runway in sight. Many other threads are on similar ways, all trying to research the terra incognita (unkown world). This is the jurney we choose freely and in full responibility!
Along that we are willing to take risks and everybody measures his own amount of risk - freely and unaffected by any guru. Risk contains the inherent possibility of going wrong. We know that! No risk no fun!

There pop up some gurus here from time to time trying to give enlightment we did not request. If you think we need unrequested help - you are wrong, completely wrong.
Obviously you did not get it: Chiming in and suggesting we were immature and under-aged creatures. You are wrong, completely wrong! This is a serious insult you never would accept to suffer yourself.
So please accept us to go the way of life we choose - asking for solutions and not for worries. And everybody shall stand away from this thread and any similar who does not accept the risk of research.
JohnS
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I joined this thread as I thought people were interested in what UFO was doing and I thought I might be of some help

So to You all here If you want I will continue to show my progress here but will not anymore comment to anyone else who make a negative comment without actually making his own replication and showing his results.

Kindest Regards to you all
Kogs

Regards,

While I have only just begun reading that thread since the OP on this thread, what I did read so far was only one attempt to determine any efficiency improvement in the RS mod and that person got flamed for his efforts.  If there were accurate  efficiency measurements made by others that I have not yet read about, please direct me to a post over there regarding that.

So far, I have not read nor seen any plausible evidence that the RS mod, the "wrench beater" motor, or the latest motor/generator setup offer any efficiency improvements over standard motor configurations.

Sorry, the latest motor/gen measurements video in concert with UFO's commentary since that video has sealed the deal for me.

Nothing to celebrate...

PW

   

[TinselKoala]

Now it appears that KCL is out the window, and you cannot measure DC current at the negative pole of the supply.... only the positive one. And of course, the Kyoritsu manual is cited as support for this.... when it actually is only pointing out how to know the correct _direction_ of the current and says nothing about whether one _must_ measure on the positive or negative side of the load.

I have been measuring Amperage on NEGATIVE POLE OF BATTERY....AND THAT IS VERY WRONG!!!...

NEVER, EVER, DC AMPERAGE GETS MEASURED ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE POLE OF LOAD...AS THIS CURRENT...IS...NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS...THAN THE MANIFESTED CURRENT BACK TO BATTERY FROM MY MACHINE (THE EXCESS, THE RESIDUAL)...SINCE...CURRENT "MANIFESTS"...NEVER TRAVELS LIKE VOLTAGE DOES...WELL, IT MANIFESTS AS INPUT AS MY MOTOR REQUEST IT ONLY AT POSITIVE TERMINAL OF BATTERIES...NEVER AT NEGATIVE!!

(emphasis in the original)


Further, he is using a Chicago Electric wattmeter. From the reviews of this product on the Harbor Freight website:

Does not appear to correctly measure watts.
By Fred
from UndisclosedComments about Chicago Electric Digital Electricity Usage Tester:
I bought because I misplaced my Kill-A-Watt. I tested it on some reactive loads that had low power factors. The readout was close to just multiplying volts time amps (VAR) rather than true Watts (VAR times PF)

I have to wonder how a properly measured DC current could be different on either side of a load.