New Device 60W
Grabbing the videos now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSEdyom6Fc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSEdyom6Fc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdlRCvrKLkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdlRCvrKLkk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgywhZP_0yY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgywhZP_0yY)
See if there is any old questions answered...
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Any schematics available?
Would like to see the concept how it is build together.
Gretings,
Ape
Dog, and ape. Well, we've got some of our old posters back. Nice.
I still have my Deco Art unit sitting on my bench, waiting for who knows what. May take another 10 years, to see any self running results. Ruslan's device looks just as complicated, but showing only a small fraction of the output, as he has shown previously.
Welcome back apecore. Long time to no see.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on March 22, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
Dog, and ape. Well, we've got some of our old posters back. Nice.
Welcome back apecore. Long time to no see.
NickZ
Good day NickZ,
Oh I tought you hanged it already on the wall for decoration.
Yes, I need some power at home... dont wanna insulate my home and unfortunately climate change isnt coming.
So what testing have you done last 5 years?.. any ideas going further or waiting for someone to show it all? :)
Greetings,
Ape
That thing sure looks a lot like a small DC to AC power inverter.
Wonder if he switched away from having a high voltage, high
frequency output to something more stable running at 50Hz
220 volt. If he's selling these things, I'm sure he's had a few
complaints about them burning up appliances. Looks like he
may have solved the problem, but had to lower the output
power to do it.
The little Tesla coil couldn't be very high voltage either, but
the multi-tapped coil on the right is a bit disconcerting. Not
sure what that would be doing outside the main grenade
coil. Maybe it's a step-down coil so he doesn't smoke the
inverter module. Wound with pretty thick wire, so there's
some amps there.
Also nice to see the push-pull is now a regular looking transformer
and not some crazy CRT yoke core. Guessing he is winding them
himself though, so there could still be some magic in there.
He clearly demonstrates when the ground is pulled, the unit
shuts down. Seems like in the past with his earlier device he
mentioned doing that would burn stuff up. Must have fixed that
problem too.
Reminds me of GREEN WAVE's replication of Ikako Chubinidze's device,
GW made it appear it's his design and is charging for the schematic,
which was available for free on Youtube for 10 years (linked below)
In the video he measures 33.75w input and powering what seems to be few
hundred watts of lightbulbs. There was another version of this video with more
lightbulbs where he claimed 800w output with same 33.75w input.
One thing in that schematic makes no sense is we see 10kV being stepped
up on the secondary multiple times and yet secondary cap voltage given
is 1kV. That cap would burn out instantly.
Here is the original schematic
https://youtu.be/5nxKqfkkndw?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o&t=25
And original video posted 10 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz0IPdPbHvA
Do you think he is using pulse width ?
Alien SI life
What I think is, something's going on that allows these devices to
function and we're not getting the whole story.
I read an article someplace talking about how some of the old
Soviet block nations were trialing single wire power transmission.
If that happens to be the source of all this free Ruslan energy,
I'm pretty sure Nick's "Deco Art" would work at Ruslan's place just
fine--connect a ground wire and you're good to go. Might take a
bit of tuning and I'm pretty certain Ruslan knows the codes.
Yeah! so lets think for a micro second or two, wouldn't transmitting a pulse width serially be like a radio wave and
thus wouldn't it be done with an unknown power ? but then how long does its on time need to eat into this created
power and wast it ?
Sil
1,2V do 35V step down 300W
Spot on!
A fairly generic Chinese (boost/buck) template:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QJCR7WQ/ (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QJCR7WQ/)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071CWMRYD/ (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071CWMRYD/)
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08NPR28JT/ (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08NPR28JT/)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081X5YX8V/ (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081X5YX8V/)
That's what he has switched to for his power supply. Simple,
cheap and starts with a 9 volt battery just fine. So I guess he
is not conditioning the output power after all. Maybe that big
tapped coil on the right is to boost the voltage from something
lower than 220 volt. Basically an autotransformer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer) with fixed taps.
Being an air core with thick wire, the output power must still
be pretty high frequency, guessing 20 to 80 kilohertz, maybe
a tad higher. Doubtful he is running in the megahertz range.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 23, 2023, 05:58:22 AM
That's what he has switched to for his power supply. Simple,
cheap and starts with a 9 volt battery just fine. So I guess he
is not conditioning the output power after all. Maybe that big
tapped coil on the right is to boost the voltage from something
lower than 220 volt. Basically an autotransformer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer) with fixed taps.
Being an air core with thick wire, the output power must still
be pretty high frequency, guessing 20 to 80 kilohertz, maybe
a tad higher. Doubtful he is running in the megahertz range.
In the video it says it is direct current.
What is a thick wire coil for?
Maybe instead of a capacitor it looks like an output or maybe it's doing current pulses for the Tesla coil. I Can't see the wires well.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 23, 2023, 06:31:33 AM
In the video it says it is direct current.
Could be translation issue. Maybe "directs the current" ?
Quote from: r2fpl on March 23, 2023, 06:31:33 AM
What is a thick wire coil for?
Maybe instead of a capacitor it looks like an output or maybe it's doing current pulses for the Tesla coil. I Can't see the wires well.
Okay, so if he is using a buck converter for the power supply, that
requires a DC input for certain. Can you find anything that looks like
a bridge rectifier? If there is no sign of one anywhere, maybe the
system is putting out DC.
QuoteCan you find anything that looks like[/size]a bridge rectifier? If there is no sign of one anywhere, maybe thesystem is putting out DC.
Well. . . in the above photo of the device and work-bench it looks like you could hide almost anything, maybe even a power-supply wire 8)
BTW, it looks alot like my workbench sometimes ;D
....Could be translation issue. Maybe "directs the current" ? -> DC
You won't see a rectifier bridge under these cables.
We don't know much about the wiring diagram.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 23, 2023, 10:01:24 AM
We don't know much about the wiring diagram.
Next please :D
apecore. I have been trying to figure out why no one has been able to crack this nut. And my last 5 years have been about looking for a solution. I can not build every device out there, and my confidence with Ruslan, has been better. Before his 5.000 dollar device sale, that did not work.
I also believe that geolocation differences has something to do with it, so I decided to work on Dr. Stiffler device ideas, to see if tuning to the best local spacial frequency coherence for my area would help But, so far it has been slow going, and now the Doc is dead. And so is Tariel Kapanadze, Adrian Gustav, and other replicators of free energy devices, are no longer posting much. My hope is that soon we will be able to buy such a device from China or where ever, at a cheap price.Yet, if something new and exciting comes along, I am still very interested in continuing on with this type of device. As most other devices shown do not produce 5000 watts of FREE power.
I would be most interested in seeing what you may have been doing with your deco art piece. If it's not still having on the wall...
NickZ
TopRuslan 49 - 100 Вт - 2023.03.23 - объяснение принципа
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mBbjcRuRw&t=20
Quote from: panyuming on March 23, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
TopRuslan 49 - 100 Вт - 2023.03.23 - объяснение принципа
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mBbjcRuRw&t=20
I think there is much information in the vid, lots of things explained.
Most interesting is thecoil story.
Radiowave broadcast technology, creating standing wave in grenade.
Maybe someone can give a better explanation what is told about the 3 coils interacting together.
As I understand the bigwire coil is connected between ground and the grenade. Tuned at the same frequency as kacher and grenade.
Wirelength 1/4 wave resonance in all three coils?
Kacher frequency is tuned to grenade frequency as varying the capacitance of the antenne coil/ cap.
These standing wave aspects are fundamentals in the concept.
I hope someone can draw something on paper regarding coil setup.
Greetings,
Ape
Quote from: apecore on March 24, 2023, 04:58:11 AM
As I understand the bigwire coil is connected between ground and the grenade. Tuned at the same frequency as kacher and grenade.
Nice detective work.
Do you recall in an earlier video when Ruslan was talking about the
Kacher. He stressed one side of the secondary had to be connected
to a firm ground. This is what provides a solid anchor for the coil to
push against in one direction.
Add that to this new modification. Suppose one side of the kacher
secondary now pushes against this "extra coil" instead of ground.
It would most certainly put it into oscillation, possibly resonance.
What that does to the other side of the kacher secondary, I have
no idea, but it may prove useful to experiment with. I suspect it
would act as a dampener, so apecore is probably correct, the low
side of the kacher secondary still connects to ground and the grenade
coil pushes against it instead. Seems like this may setup a resonate
reference point--perfect for standing waves.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 24, 2023, 05:13:12 AM
Nice detective work.
Do you recall in an earlier video when Ruslan was talking about the
Kacher. He stressed one side of the secondary had to be connected
to a firm ground. This is what provides a solid anchor for the coil to
push against in one direction.
Add that to this new modification. Suppose one side of the kacher
secondary now pushes against this "extra coil" instead of ground.
It would most certainly put it into oscillation, possibly resonance.
What that does to the other side of the kacher secondary, I have
no idea, but it may prove useful to experiment with. I suspect it
would act as a dampener, so apecore is probably correct, the low
side of the kacher secondary still connects to ground and the grenade
coil pushes against it instead. Seems like this may setup a resonate
reference point--perfect for standing waves.
Seems your explanation is legit in some way.
I added additional explanation from Ruslans comment in his vid.
Question now is,... are grenade and tesla secundairy both connected at the left side of the one millimeter coil?
Further, grenade and big wire coil are still wound on 50mm core.
Tesla I guess 32mm.
So the big coil has 60 windings, makes it nearly 10meter wirelength, so this coil would be tuned down with extra parallel cap i guess?
So what would be the resonance frequency of the grenade?...
Looking at the tesla coil its hard to say, depends on the topload... this topload seems to be coaxwire were only shielding is used?
I think that in not using the Tv yoke core, he lost 80 percent of his normal previous output.
Nor will he provide a diagram or actually tell you how it all really works. Ever...
The fact that 9 volt battery will kick start it, is the only advantage that I can see, from this device. Of course, if true. He lost most of his credibility, as far as I'm concerned.
NickZ
in: 5V to 40V
out: 1.2V to 35V
What's the point of using it here? could it be like a filter?
Someone drew a diagram as you can see in the video.
It's definitely not 100% maybe 60% or less
Quote from: r2fpl on March 24, 2023, 01:40:31 PM
Someone drew a diagram as you can see in the video.
It's definitely not 100% maybe 60% or less
Well can we say its legimit?
According the explanation by Ruslan in the vid it looks like it is.
It seems that the whole grenade and extra coil are completely isolated from the kacher part.
Unknown is als the kacher mode... ( pulsing or continously?)
C2 is the tuning cap ' big coil'
No sinewave inductor loop... or is the series cap on the board?
Did Ruslan added windings at the pushpull tranformer?... it looks like ordinair 220v/12v transformer. With extra winding
Should not be to difficult to make a setup,... he explained the working order clearly.
1st Grenade coil
2nd puls kacher coil to obtain resonance frequency grenade
3rd make extra coil (i gues length = additional length needed for groundline connection within 1/2 wave node)
4rd fix all wires and coils in order not to influence near field capacitance... (resonance fixed)
5th optimise kacher secundairy and topload coil for final tuning at grenade resonance.
Unknown as mentioned, pulsing kacher?
Seems there is an additional ic on the circuit board... also on the wallpaper in the vid it appears logic is used... so must be for pulsing.
Grt,
Ape
apecore: I would think that Ruslan is showing a controllable Kacher circuit, as the simple Kacher is connected to the earth ground at the transistor negative rail, instead. After a while, all the new kachers circuits were the controllable type connected to the earth ground at input to the Kacher secondary coil.
NickZ
My interpretation, please correct me wherever I am wrong here:
The grenade coil is basically a counter-wound coil having nearly zero
inductance, where a portion of it has another separate layer overwrapped
acting as a transformer section, a primary winding. The bulk of the
grenade coil has another layer wrapped around it acting as another
primary. The first primary connects to the output transformer of the
push-pull. The second primary connects to the output from the small
Tesla coil by way of shielded coax cable. These two inputs into the
grenade are mixed together in some fashion I don't fully understand
at this time.
The small vertical Tesla coil appears to be driven by a little tan board
with a single heat-sinked transistor. Also has a single red LED on it
to indicate whether the system is powered or not. To me this looks
nearly identical to a Slayer Exciter board. Timing for this board may
come from the push-pull board or it may be independent and just
operate in a typical self-oscillating mode. Not certain, but Ruslan
infers that's not all that critical and is the part you do last once all the
other major stuff is working right.
The push-pull transformer is driven by the more complex blue PCB.
The push-pull transformer looks like a factory E-core transformer
but has some spacing added--there is a gap between the two core
halves. Have no idea what the turns ratio is, but is used as a
step-up. The gap is there to loosen the coupling between primary
and secondary windings that each sit on a separate half of E-core.
We also have the buck converter module spoken about previously
that supplies the main DC power to the push-pull and Tesla boards.
Somewhere in Ruslan's box, there must be a rectifier prior to the
input of the buck converter, since this is a DC to DC module. Based
on placement of components, I wouldn't think it is too far away from
the module. With the relay on the blue PCB, the diodes may all be
there as well.
Lastly is the extra coil added to extend the length of the ground
wire. It must have thick wire because it carries all the current flow
of the ground wire. It also has to resonate at the same frequency
of the grenade coil, so its designed after the grenade coil is fully
specified.
Ruslan speaks of resonance, but clearly states he is not talking about
LC resonance. He is talking about a natural frequency inherent within
the coils--a frequency they prefer to oscillate at when stimulated. He
states this natural resonance needs to be synchronized within the grenade
coil and this extra coil. That must be established first. Lastly the Tesla
coil is tuned. Probably would be a good idea to refer to Dr. Stiffler's (https://www.youtube.com/@StifflerDr/videos)
mechanism for determining a coil's self resonance.
The Tesla coil has two major tuning elements. The turn-count on the
secondary and the capacitive load on the secondary. In this device the
capacitive load of the secondary is adjusted by the coax cable connected
to the secondary and wrapped around the grenade coil. It appears to be
a very sensitive adjustment, too much or too little capacitance and the
system cannot function.
The bugger in all this is that it doesn't seem that difficult on the surface.
I'm not sure why one of us hasn't been able to get something to run
by now. It has to come down to tuning and the fact that none of us are
doing it properly. Ruslan is a professional in this area and we need to
learn how to do it the same way, then I think we can make some progress.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 03:28:58 AM
My interpretation, please correct me wherever I am wrong here:
the Tesla coil must be very stable. When I did the tests only a few times I was able to make the frequency stand still and not float. Of course, the circuit was with kacher. Therefore, a capacitor is needed on top. Ruslan shows an aluminum ball in the video and says that it did not fit well. A coil of coaxial cable has a much larger capacitance than a sphere of aluminum and this is the reason why coaxial cable is used! An additional function is balance as Ruslan says.
When the tesla coil has a capacitor on top then it works stably! This may even be the only reason for this coaxial cable coil.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 03:28:58 AM
My interpretation, please correct me wherever I am wrong here:
The grenade coil is basically a counter-wound coil having nearly zero
inductance, where a portion of it has another separate layer overwrapped
acting as a transformer section, a primary winding. The bulk of the
grenade coil has another layer wrapped around it acting as another
primary. The first primary connects to the output transformer of the
push-pull. The second primary connects to the output from the small
Tesla coil by way of shielded coax cable. These two inputs into the
grenade are mixed together in some fashion I don't fully understand
at this time.
I think regarding the grenade coil your not right.
In the early days i spent many hours on the grenade configuration, low inductance (<100uH) is only achieved by counter wind all layers. I probably configured all possible configuration..Where i concluded that it is impossible to make two grenade's identical.
So when not wound every layer opposed to the previous, this automaticaly results in a low resonance frequency. (<1.5Mhz)
Not mention the differences in wire insulation thichness or tightness of winding
When configuring layer 3 to 6 in a different way it will resonates around 1 Mhz. This is why many of us with large kacher secundairy coils see some effect, due to frequency matching.
This aspect of grenade configuration is a blackbox, this is also why he stated that it isnt possible to replicate due to the fact that it is impossible to make two identical grenade's.
Resonance frequency will always be different.
I created a grenade which is completely non inductive wounded (5uH).. the examples given online about how much wirelength is used in first 2 layers and layer 3 to 6 is not achievable.
Every layer on top of a previous layer needs more wirelength, so it is not possible by this to cover every winding by a counter winding in the next layer. Leaving uncovered windings ( like the first or last of a layer) will automaticaly gain self inductance... resulting approx in 180_200uH.
The reason i spent so much effort on grenade config is that i wanted to have a grenade with double resonance LC and wavelength. VF=1 (velocity factor).
This will excite the standing wave uppon eachother... there are patents about this subject
In earlier vids Ruslan mention that the kacher needs to have the same resonance frequency as the grenade, kacher only would lite up a 25watt bulb. This is correct
There is no wire connecttion between kacher ( topload) and grenade, both can ve considered as capacitor plates. In which the inductorloop normally creates a magneticfield.
Again grenade is a blackbox because we only see a diagram and lots off insulation tape around it.
Grenade swings the standing wave... as stated by Ruslan... kacher is infact the exciter.
Your correct by mentioning the groundwire coil must have specific wirelength in order to match frequency with wirelength (1/4 standing wave) of the grenade..
Kacher wirelength is not critical.
Looking closer to the circuit board there a timer (i think a SG3525) , a FETdriver some voltage regulator to220, and some filter parts.
Last but not least, Ruslan mentioned wirelength from bulbs may impact mode of operations. This again is all about a standing wave in grenade.
Grt,
Ape
Question is then: Stable for what reason?
I used to think the frequency of the Tesla coil was important, not so
sure anymore. The output of the Tesla coil functions as an antenna
to the grenade coil, more specifically, a capacitor plate. I have a hunch
the output frequency can drift somewhat, but must keep the capacitance
on the output (antenna) charged at all times. When he touches that
output point and dissipates the charge, POOF! The system stops.
So to me stability means potential, not frequency. You have to
maintain the voltage on the output capacitor plate at all times.
It doesn't matter what the frequency is, you just need the voltage
there.
If that's the case, I think the Tesla coil is free running at whatever
optimal frequency it likes to run at. If the capacitance changes
on the output, the frequency will naturally change to stay with it.
Keeping that output charged is why Ruslan stressed unipolar output.
Because if the Tesla coil was emitting AC, you would never charge
that capacitor plate--"Telsa will take back what she gives."
Looking at that little Tesla coil, it has to be operating at many
times faster than the push-pull and if the output is unipolar, it's
basically pulsed DC where the capacitor plate acts as a smoothing
cap, so it never discharges or swaps polarity. Makes me wonder
if a simple HV transformer (https://www.amazing1.com/transformers-high-voltage-high-frequency.html) with a multiplier (https://www.amazing1.com/products/voltage-multiplier-5-stage-low-power.html) would provide the
same effect. Probably won't work--just a crazy thought.
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 05:08:51 AM
I think regarding the grenade coil your not right.
This will excite the standing wave uppon eachother... there are patents about this subject
Grenade swings the standing wave... as stated by Ruslan... kacher is infact the exciter.
You are definitely on top this device.
So the grenade coil is where we produce the standing waves.
One wave of high current, moderate voltage comes from the
push-pull. The other wave of high voltage, low current comes
from the Tesla coil. The anti-node of the standing wave has to
develop at the load. And to me, this load needs to be a bridge
rectifier and filter capacitor down to DC so that it is fixed at a
stable distance from the grenade coil. Connected to this bridge
rectifier and filter capacitor, we need a fixed load so that the
end of the transmission line has a fixed impedance, that way
we don't end up chasing an anti-node that is moving all over
the place.
With the above in mind, what characteristics does our grenade
coil have to have? We are talking about a transmission line
closed on one end and mostly closed on the other. Inside this
transmission line will be where our input waves cycle back-n-forth
with consistent nodes and anti-nodes that we can physically
predict where they are--with an anti-node positioned exactly at
our load. When I say waves, I'm not fully clear on what those
are. We have both current and voltage amplitudes. So an
anti-node of what are we looking for? Just current? Just voltage?
Will the current and voltage be in-phase?
Next, what frequencies do we need the push-pull and Tesla coil
to operate at? How do we select a bandwidth so that any drift still
keeps an anti-node positioned at our load? To me it is apparent
there is no reason to have each component to the standing wave
operate at the same frequency--one just needs to be a multiple
of the other; both have to fully fit within the transmission line.
It makes sense to tackle the more difficult one first.
On the push-pull side, the wavelength is so large, if we miss
getting a peak amplitude focused at the load, we're screwed
immediately. The Tesla side will have a much smaller wavelength so
it will be touchy. Getting a peak amplitude focused at the load and
staying there will take some serious work. The next challenge will
be to get both peak amplitudes to be the same polarity so when they
form a standing wave, they add instead of subtract.
In looking at this from a different perspective, scale seems critical.
There is only a certain region in which the components we can get
our hands on will work reliably. A small device will have frequencies
we cannot deal with and a large device will have displacement currents
that destroy the wiring. I think Ruslan has focused us in about the
best power output size where we might have a chance of success.
Which is fine by me if we can replicate these things reliably and just
make them for any device that needs power.
Sure wish I could get Ruslan to comment on what I'm saying here and
correct my mistakes. It would save us a boatload of trouble.
Dog- one,
Thanks for the additional formulation about standing waves and its complexity.
I see a lot of questions and test oppertunities.
I uploaded a vid regarding kacher impact on the grenade.
Current and voltage are in phase.
Some strange things can be noted.
Would be nice if we can clearify your discussion points with the help of my setup
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 06:36:24 AM
I uploaded a vid regarding kacher impact on the grenade.
Here? (https://www.youtube.com/@apecore4432/videos) I don't see anything recent.
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 06:36:24 AM
Would be nice if we can clarify your discussion points with the help of my setup
I'm confused about something fundamental...
If we look at the grenade coil as a transmission line, the resonant
frequency is telling us the length of the line and the velocity factor
all in one combined value. So it essentially says: Put X frequency
into this transmission line and it will exactly fit with a node on
each end. A node can either be a negative to positive zero cross transition,
or a positive to negative zero cross transition.
Am I right about this?
Normally a transmission line can be any length because we typically
only input from one side and output from the other. But here, things
are different. In the grenade, the wave is going to reflect back-n-forth
off of each end with a low impedance on one end and zero impedance
on the other end. We get full reflection off the 0 Ohm side and partial
reflection off the output side. We also don't input our signal into one
side or the other. We input our two signals somewhere in between
over a span of the transmission line. So now things are getting really
complicated to figure out what the heck is going on inside the grenade
coil. We must have a way to probe this thing since we can't see the
wave motion. And even with our probes we still need to see in our
heads what is really happening inside. It's almost like we have to
process a mental deconvolution function.
What does seem apparent to me are the waves have to align and the
nodes have to always sit in the same locations. To do that, timing is
extremely critical and any delays have to be calculated exactly and
then we need a method to test with our probes to ensure they are
spot on. Thirty centimeters is only one nanosecond when we consider
node positioning--more than 30cm when we apply a velocity factor.
This is where I get hung up. There's no way a 50Khz push-pull wave
could fit inside the grenade coil. A 2Mhz wave from a Tesla coil, yeah,
that could fit. So if the high current wave from the push-pull cannot
fit, there would have to be blanking time from the Tesla coil until the
polarity of the push-pull swaps. If somebody really understands how
this works, I'd like to hear an explanation. Because to me looking at
the wavelengths involved, I don't see any real standing wave here at
all, just basic modulation.
You are right.
Inductor loop frequency never fit inside grenade wire.
I see the kacher wave apear on the inductor sinewave.
What I understand us that inductor frequency needs to be an odd sub harmonic from grenade frequency.
In order to hit (pulsig by PP) occurs at same moment as kacher does.
My vids are in the drive.
Added one doing the Ruslan method with 'open connection signal generater' in order to see if it matches with my 2Mhz point.
Also don't forget low inductance grenade will not take the magnetic field from the inductor
I have that situation.
Its a cap not a coil
The output for LED bulbs can be any. E.g. 100-300V AC or DC / 50-... kHz/Mhz
LED bulbs can also be modified. There are many possibilities of deception but I hope that the device is real but still has additional support.
let's think: Ruslan has been sitting in the same room for at least 10 years. Isn't that weird. If the device was real and used, for example, the energy of the sun or another wave source, and not an artificial transmitter, it would have been somewhere else a long time ago.
It's really very disturbing that we're sitting here coming up with a theory to justify his device. We adapt everything we know to make it work for us. He laughs at us saying that the odds are 1:1,000,000.
Neither kapanadze, Akula, or Ruslan knew how this device works, but, they built it and got it self running. Same with Stalker and Adrian Gustav. That is what we need to do, as well. Then once it's working, we can come up with the how and why it works. You can't just sit there and think that you know how, beforehand. Even if you were told or read up on how it works, and there is much written about that already. That has not helped too much, up to now. So, what's "next"? More empty theories? You can also keep an eye on Andrey245 on YT. He is now building up this device. And it's looking nice and clean and well built, so far.
NickZ
Yeah well thank you Meredith for that !
Now look up ambient powered ac amplifier and oscillator square wave generator.
and no i haven't got involved with it.
Sil
Quote from: NickZ on March 25, 2023, 08:53:04 AM
Neither kapanadze, Akula, or Ruslan knew how this device works, but, they built it and got it self running. Same with Stalker and Adrian Gustav. That is what we need to do, as well. Then once it's working, we can come up with the how and why it works. You can't just sit there and think that you know how, beforehand. Even if you were told or read up on how it works, and there is much written about that already. That has not helped too much, up to now. So, what's "next"? More empty theories? You can also keep an eye on Andrey245 on YT. He is now building up this device. And it's looking nice and clean and well built, so far.
NickZ
NickZ,
I know how you feel about this, but I m not here for free energy in the first place.
I want to experiment in a way to engineer a working device.
When ou we ll see what happens.... but most exciting is doing the research and discussions with people like Dog-one and Lost bro.
I d like to discover... lets see it like that
Okay apecore, let me ask you a small question...
Can I wind a small, simple grenade coil, connect it to my precision
signal generator and witness the effect we are looking for by creating
the proper input signals? Is that something possible?
You mentioned subharmonic which is still multiples of frequency--
kind of makes sense but I'll have to think about it some more.
An odd subharmonic would mean the average amplitude within
the grenade coil is not zero. Sounds necessary to me.
And yes, the two input signals are more than likely capacitively
coupled, at least one of them for certain.
What I need to do is strip things down from a fully operational unit
to a test platform where I have at least a chance better than one
in a million of hitting the proper operating conditions. Once I see
what needs to happen, then I can return to getting serious about
a full power system build-out.
To me, this whole mixing (https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/radio/rf-mixer/rf-mixing-basics.php) of inputs concept is fascinating. I'd just
like to be able to do it, more than once and maybe even show others
how as well. It's the only way I can imagine to get a power gain
using electronic components.
Dog-one,
I did that but it needs to be connected as a DUT.
But it is complicater then that
What i did today is hook up the next parameters in DUT mode
Voltage at antenne.. here i connected the signal generator als
Voltage kacher secondary (before ferrite)
Voltage grenade layer 1 side to ground
Current grenade by ct
I used a sinewave 10Vpp
First thing i saw was that there was no resonance situation at the 2.0Mhz which i tought to have obtained.
In the frequency range between 1 and 9 Mhz i saw some eye opening frequency points.
Here is where you have to come in.
I' post the results in a moment
A Kacher circuit will not operate well at 9MHz. My simple Kacher runs best between 950KHz and 1.2MHz.Depending on the grenade frequency. My grenade runs best at 1.8KHz.
I have never seen any one showing a replication using the same grenade to kacher resonant frequencies. Have you? Every self runner is running at totally different frequencies. What does that tell you, not much right? BTW: I also like to experiment, but after years of doing so, I would really like to see some useable practical results. As I don't expect the grid system to hold up, much longer. Even though I don't pay anything for electricity, currently. I am still interested FE devices. And obtaining energy out of thin air.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on March 25, 2023, 11:38:00 AM
I am still interested FE devices. And obtaining energy out of thin air.
Me too. And even if I can't power my lab with it, I'd still like to
know with certainty it can be done and that I know how to do it.
Then I can croak some day with smile knowing what this world
could have been, had it not been crawling with creatures that hate
my freedoms.
What your forgetting is back in the 1910s they were using spark gap transmitters and telegraph down an earth and pole line and so was That Adrian had to generate his own spikes of high voltage. And the Moray device was about parallel inductive resonance rather than (capacitance) light bulbs were inductors and so were electric heaters and fans were part of the matching inductance.
by the way Did any of you bother to look up that postings that are youtube ?
any way i think i'm going to have too cut you guys lose if your not interested as i have other things to do.
Sil
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 10:48:41 AM
In the frequency range between 1 and 9 Mhz i saw some eye opening frequency points.
Here is where you have to come in.
You should see on a spectrum f1 + f2, f1 - f2 and any derivatives that
can form from those four frequencies within the grenade. I would
venture a guess, some of those frequencies like your grenade and
boost, while others are dampened by your grenade and diminish.
Then it's a matter of calculating why you are getting what you are
getting so we can do it repeatedly.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 12:03:56 PM
You should see on a spectrum f1 + f2, f1 - f2 and any derivatives that
can form from those four frequencies within the grenade. I would
venture a guess, some of those frequencies like your grenade and
boost, while others are dampened by your grenade and diminish.
Then it's a matter of calculating why you are getting what you are
getting so we can do it repeatedly.
I dont have a spectrumanalyser, and would not know how to handle tye data.
Is there another way?
Lets do it otherway around.
Do we need 100% in phase at all parameters? Or is it hetter to have antenna out of phase 90dgr?
Or must we look for other combination?
Assuming all in phase is best ....this would be 1.45Mhz.(inductor not in phase)... or 3.2Mhz
If 3.2 is legimit then the grenade induction is to low.... i dont want to past the 2.0Mhz
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 01:33:11 PM
I dont have a spectrumanalyser, and would not know how to handle tye data.
I'm certain your scope has a math function with FFT.
Use that and look for frequency peaks.
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 01:33:11 PM
Do we need 100% in phase at all parameters? Or is it hetter to have antenna out of phase 90dgr?
Or must we look for other combination?
Think about what "phase" means. It's just the point in the wave
where you are measuring at. Keep in mind, unless you inject the
signal at the very end of the grenade (which you are not), the phase
will be advanced by some amount (30cm per nanosecond from the
end). The signal then will propagate in both directions from the
injection point.
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 01:33:11 PM
Assuming all in phase is best ....this would be 1.45Mhz.(inductor not in phase)... or 3.2Mhz
If 3.2 is legimit then the grenade induction is to low.... i dont want to past the 2.0Mhz
So are you classifying "grenade induction" as the signal coming
from the push-pull? Or is that the signal coming from the Tesla
coil? And if it is that, what are you calling the other signal?
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 02:25:17 PM
I'm certain your scope has a math function with FFT.
Use that and look for frequency peaks.
I see... roger.
Tbc
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 02:25:17 PM
So are you classifying "grenade induction" as the signal coming
from the push-pull? Or is that the signal coming from the Tesla
coil? And if it is that, what are you calling the other signal?
From tesla... antenne.
So infact kacher frequency versus grenade voltage and current...
Inductor loop out of scope for the moment
So what i understand these figures dont bring us further?
Re: Is this the beginning of the end? (https://overunity.com/19339/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end/msg575689/#msg575689)
Wesley
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 02:31:06 PM
I see... roger.
Tbc
See short vid
Made new one, first vid not ok
https://youtu.be/bduAT_BqilE
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 05:00:06 PM
See short vid
Made new one, first vid not ok
Very good. I'll watch it here shortly.
In the meantime, it all just came to me...
The mixing of voltage and current...
Let's start with a transmission line, closed on one end;
open on the other. There are signals inside this transmission
line, propagating back and forth with nearly no loss.
Which end do I use to measure the current?
The closed end. I need a conductor to measure what is flowing
through it.
Which end do I use to measure the voltage?
The open end. I cannot take a reading for the difference in
potential with a shunt there.
So now we have some terminology. Our grenade coil is a
transmission line that is basically open on one end; shorted on
the other. The shorted side is the current side; the open side is
the voltage side.
So what happens when a wave hits the voltage side?
It reverses direction and comes back same polarity reversed
in time, because there is no circuit there so it cannot flow
through. All it can do is bounce back.
What happens when a wave hits the current side?
It crosses over and continues on its way without time reversal
and looks like a polarity flip.
So there we have a good chunk of this mystery solved IMHO.
We have two extremely valuable events within this simple hunk
of wire. We have a voltage/current mixing device. And we have
a time reversal device. If we can't make free (as in beer) electrical
power with that, I'm sorry, there's no hope for us. ;)
Made a second vid after rewinding layer 6 from cw to ccw.
Which lowered the inductance from 80yH to 17uH.
Frequency increased from 1.78 to 2.3 Mhz approx.
https://youtu.be/uhxOdjuRgnc
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 05:59:35 PM
Very good. I'll watch it here shortly.
In the meantime, it all just came to me...
The mixing of voltage and current...
Let's start with a transmission line, closed on one end;
open on the other. There are signals inside this transmission
line, propagating back and forth with nearly no loss.
Which end do I use to measure the current?
The closed end. I need a conductor to measure what is flowing
through it.
Which end do I use to measure the voltage?
The open end. I cannot take a reading for the difference in
potential with a shunt there.
So now we have some terminology. Our grenade coil is a
transmission line that is basically open on one end; shorted on
the other. The shorted side is the current side; the open side is
the voltage side.
So what happens when a wave hits the voltage side?
It reverses direction and comes back same polarity reversed
in time, because there is no circuit there so it cannot flow
through. All it can do is bounce back.
What happens when a wave hits the current side?
It crosses over and continues on its way without time reversal
and looks like a polarity flip.
So there we have a good chunk of this mystery solved IMHO.
We have two extremely valuable events within this simple hunk
of wire. We have a voltage/current mixing device. And we have
a time reversal device. If we can't make free (as in beer) electrical
power with that, I'm sorry, there's no hope for us. ;)
I knew you could do it... break the nut.
You only need people like me who just do something w/o thinking
Now the next thing we need to figure out is where are the
best places to inject our two input signals?
What is high voltage, low current?
How about low voltage, high current?
Doesn't matter does it. Within the grenade coil it's just
a blob of moving energy. It all depends on where we take
it out at, which will be on the open (voltage) end. This end
isn't fully open though. Our load is a partial shunt, so we
will have voltage and current there.
So now the trick. The injection of two quite different sources
both in Voltage/Current ratio and frequencies. What is a
Voltage/Current ratio? Ohm's Law says that is a resistance.
Since we are dealing with AC signals with their respective
frequencies, we can call this an impedance. What do we
know about transmission lines and impedance? We know
if we want the energy to fully transfer, the impedances
have to match. That means, the method we use determines
what the Voltage/Current ratio has to look like. So at this
point we probably should assign impedance ratios to each
of our two input signals. The output from our Tesla coil
is going to be a very high impedance and the output from
our push-pull will be much lower.
This is me just taking a wild stab at it, but I'm guessing
a capacitive coupling is the preferred method for high
impedance and magnetic coupling is probably more
suitable for low impedance. We cannot directly connect
to this transmission line because neither of these two
input sources are going to have the same impedance
as our load, which is what sets the impedance for the
grenade coil. Yes, the grenade coil's impedance has to
match the load, else any energy in there cannot be
extracted without loss.
Impedance works in general terms, but when we get
to the aligning the waves, overlaying them with their
respective frequencies, then I think we have to go back
to thinking resistance, voltage/current ratio. Because
at that point when we examine instantaneous behavior,
we have to see differences in potential so we can predict
which way current will flow and what the ratio will do.
We will be looking for a gain function that forces energy
from the ground, into the grenade and out to our load.
I'd be willing to bet there is a voltage/current ratio between
the air and the ground that comes into play here.
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 06:08:39 PM
Made a second vid after rewinding layer 6 from cw to ccw.
Which lowered the inductance from 80yH to 17uH.
Frequency increased from 1.78 to 2.3 Mhz approx.
https://youtu.be/uhxOdjuRgnc
During your sweep, I saw four or five points where you get a
nice clean spectrum with almost no harmonics or distortion.
Those are frequencies that are aligning within your grenade
coil exactly.
Where it is going to get interesting is when we bring in the
other input source and we start seeing some heterodyning.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 06:56:18 PM
During your sweep, I saw four or five points where you get a
nice clean spectrum with almost no harmonics or distortion.
Those are frequencies that are aligning within your grenade
coil exactly.
Where it is going to get interesting is when we bring in the
other input source and we start seeing some heterodyning.
Ok, quit interesting.
So i will look back tomorrow to see what frequency that is.
Yes, lets see if we can brimg it a step further
If you have any suggestions, let me know
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 06:56:18 PM
Where it is going to get interesting is when we bring in the
other input source and we start seeing some heterodyning.
So for my understanding, second source comes from inductor? Right
So we should puls inductor coil at same time as we do now with antenna?
I guess we take the frequency as you noticed, same time at antenna with determind grenade frequency?
Quote from: apecore on March 25, 2023, 07:38:46 PM
So for my understanding, second source comes from inductor? Right
So we should puls inductor coil at same time as we do now with antenna?
I guess we take the frequency as you noticed, same time at antenna with determind grenade frequency?
For now, just inductor alone. I'll be quite curious if the
frequency sweeps hit the same points or not. You'll have
to let us know how you hooked things up to make it work
since the inductor really isn't designed for high frequency
input. If you can't get any good signal going, don't be
alarmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1Qn0DQwJM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1Qn0DQwJM)
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 09:22:20 PM
For now, just inductor alone. I'll be quite curious if the
frequency sweeps hit the same points or not. You'll have
to let us know how you hooked things up to make it work
since the inductor really isn't designed for high frequency
input. If you can't get any good signal going, don't be
alarmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1Qn0DQwJM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1Qn0DQwJM)
Next vid
https://youtu.be/V8BcvHVAT5g
Signal connected to inductor coil, probing grenade under 8k2 resistor load
The 2Mhz region is popping up again
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 07:31:18 AM
Next vid
https://youtu.be/V8BcvHVAT5g
Signal connected to inductor coil, probing grenade under 8k2 resistor load
The 2Mhz region is popping up again
Great info apecore!
This gives us some good news and some bad news...
The good news is that we can indeed push a high frequency signal
in through the inductor and the grenade will resonate at the same
frequency as when doing it through the antenna.
The bad news is we have to lower the coupling on the push-pull
transformer. The reason being, the 2MHz signal can come out
from the inductor the same way it can go in. So if your Tesla coil
is pushing 2MHz through the antenna into the grenade, that same
signal can come out through the inductor, through the push-pull
transformer and be shunted by the push-pull drivers. Not what
we want for sure. The other option is to place a good low-pass
filter between the push-pull transformer and the grenade inductor.
This should stop the high frequency from getting back to the
push-pull driver and being shunted.
Something I want to try just to ensure all the basic electronics
is correct, is to put the grenade coil under simulation with LTspice.
Most likely I wouldn't see any OU artifacts, but at least I would
know if we have done due diligence with matching impedances.
With LTspice being a free resource (https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/design-tools-and-calculators/ltspice-simulator.html), I can post the model for
everyone to experiment with. Hopefully someone will spot the
error of our ways and get us moving in the right direction.
Does anyone have a schematic of the grenade that they would
trust as being accurate or most likely correct? Something that
shows number of turns, direction of turns, layers, order of layers,
etc? With that I think I can come pretty close to modelling it in
LTspice. This will help to determine what factors depend on other
factors. I don't think I can factor in wire length, so I'll have to
fudge that with inductance and coupling coefficients. If I can
put this is a form that resembles a transmission line, it could
prove to be a big help. At the very least, we can visualize what
we are dealing with and what things certainly will not work.
Short reply..
Does it matter the I didnt connected the inductor loop.
Would did not reduce the impact on hf?
Test again with loop connected?
Regarding your propoasl fir LT spice, i would propose to use my configuration for modeling.
Tell me the parameters you want and i deliver.
Great news...
This is my grenade, it resonates at 2.0Mhz.
I will post all needed specs here.
This is my configuration.
I added pp foil between layer 1 and 2 for mor capacitance in order to get the 2.0Mhz region.
Made a mistake in the drawing, grenade is now verified.. has 33.5uH .. and resonates approx at 2.0Mhz
You always have to play with the last layer to get it +/- 5khz
Layer 5 and 6 I messed up
Small vid for frequency verification after rewinding;
https://youtu.be/Tb7aV_GVMDI
Quote from: Dog-One on March 26, 2023, 08:46:06 AM
So if your Tesla coil is pushing 2MHz through the antenna into the grenade, that same
signal can come out through the inductor, through the push-pull
transformer and be shunted by the push-pull drivers. Not what
we want.
Good work Dog-one,
Reading it twice and thinking about it is exciting. I like it the way you tell it... :D
Sounds like a plan.
So the bad news aint mayde not as bad as we think, giving oppertunity.
I understand this issue, but we need to consider adding hardware could eliminate the 'effect' or gain
We dont know?
But we need protection probably to avoid damages on hardware.w/o shooting us in the foot.
Just out of the box....... Verpies lossles clamp idea would be an option?..... this lossles clamp has potential.. with extra functionality to measure something?
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 11:01:28 AM
This is my configuration.
I added pp foil between layer 1 and 2 for mor capacitance in order to get the 2.0Mhz region.
"pp foil" is that metallic with a split? No split? Non-metallic?
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 11:01:28 AM
Made a mistake in the drawing, grenade is now verified.. has 33.5uH .. and resonates approx at 2.0Mhz
You always have to play with the last layer to get it +/- 5khz
Layer 5 and 6 I messed up
Small vid for frequency verification after rewinding;
https://youtu.be/Tb7aV_GVMDI
Very good. I can work with that picture and see what kind of fudging
I have to do with an AC analysis sweep to see if I can match your
actual resonance point.
Your inductor turns would be a separate layer over layer's 1 & 2 correct?
Antenna same thing over all layers?
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 12:51:40 PM
I understand this issue, but we need to consider adding hardware could eliminate the 'effect' or gain
We dont know?
But we need protection probably to avoid damages on hardware.w/o shooting us in the foot.
I recall some of the old videos where Ruslan was inserting capacitors
into the schematic--maybe to fix this problem? I didn't think about
passive filter elements at the time, but it makes sense now when I
think about it.
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 12:51:40 PM
Just out of the box....... Verpies lossles clamp idea would be an option?..... this lossles clamp has potential.. with extra functionality to measure something?
I made a nice lossless clamp board with a SG3525 chip. When I
connect it to a good nanocrystalline core, I can get power-in /
power-out of almost 100% conversion. The best part is I get
that ratio regardless of what kind of load I attach. If there is
any impedance mismatch, the reflected energy just goes right
back on the DC bus and gets recycled. No heat loss in snubbers.
Inductor and antena
Yes antenne at inductor position
Quote from: Dog-One on March 26, 2023, 03:04:00 PM
"pp foil" is that metallic with a split? No split? Non-metallic?
Polypropyleen sheet where you can put in paper for clean protection
Very good. I can work with that picture and see what kind of fudging
I have to do with an AC analysis sweep to see if I can match your
actual resonance point.
Your inductor turns would be a separate layer over layer's 1 & 2 correct?
Yes
Antenna same thing over all layers?
Only inductor position
I recall some of the old videos where Ruslan was inserting capacitors
into the schematic--maybe to fix this problem? I didn't think about
passive filter elements at the time, but it makes sense now when I
think about it.
I made a nice lossless clamp board with a SG3525 chip. When I
connect it to a good nanocrystalline core, I can get power-in /
power-out of almost 100% conversion. The best part is I get
that ratio regardless of what kind of load I attach. If there is
any impedance mismatch, the reflected energy just goes right
back on the DC bus and gets recycled. No heat loss in snubbers.
I do have such a core, two pieces together.
I guess we first want to what happens with HF in respect to losses and risk.
Bit thinking about how to ake it smart is good, so we can optimize hardware.
Yes, if we know what the components should do, we can possibly
make things better. When we don't know, we really only have the
fallback position of doing what Ruslan did.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 25, 2023, 06:45:02 PM
Impedance works in general terms, but when we get
to the aligning the waves, overlaying them with their
respective frequencies, then I think we have to go back
to thinking resistance, voltage/current ratio. Because
at that point when we examine instantaneous behavior,
we have to see differences in potential so we can predict
which way current will flow and what the ratio will do.
We will be looking for a gain function that forces energy
from the ground, into the grenade and out to our load.
I'd be willing to bet there is a voltage/current ratio between
the air and the ground that comes into play here.
Just a concept to discuss your view on voltage/ current ratio
Displacement current is or could be imo part of the proces flowing from grenade to antenne?
How we get Displacement current?...... sharp unipolair pulsing or discharging very fast dielectric field between antenne amd grenade... high dV/dt
Or is it creating a environment as lightning appears.... discharging grenade or antenne w/o sparking..... also by pulsing and or building up potential difference
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 05:31:17 PM
Just a concept to discuss your view on voltage/ current ratio
Displacement current is or could be imo part of the proces flowing from grenade to antenne?
How we get Displacement current?...... sharp unipolair pulsing or discharging very fast dielectric field between antenne amd grenade... high dV/dt
Or is it creating a environment as lightning appears.... discharging grenade or antenne w/o sparking..... also by pulsing and or building up potential difference
I've been doing some reading...
https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html (https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html)
What seems very clear to me is, the ground wire has an impedance.
If we do not match to that impedance, forget about pumping any
external energy into the device. So what frequency do we use to
check the impedance at?
I would have say both the Tesla coil frequency and the push-pull
frequency. At one frequency current should transfer nearly lossless
and at the other frequency, the ground wire completely attenuates
it.
It could be more difficult than this, because we are heterodyning
within the grenade. Recall that is a mixing of two frequencies to
get F1 + F2 and F1 - F2. That is four frequencies of interest now.
We need to find a way to see how much attenuation we get for
all four of those frequencies to our ground connection.
There is correct combination where the ground wire allows current
flow in and stops reverse current flow back out. That will be our
pump. My guess is it won't be absolute, but will overall favor one
direction, enough where we can illuminate some lamps. ;)
To add some more for the previous post, Ruslan has all his
convoluted components for reason--to achieve what I just
expressed. That's the method to his madness.
First, he needs a high and a low frequency. Each frequency
is developed by a different means--different voltage/current
ratios.
Second, he needs to mix (heterodyne) those frequencies
so he can snag the composite frequencies in such a way where
there is built-in attenuation. "Frequency diodes" might be a
way to express the concept here.
Third, he needs to expose theses frequencies to a current
sink/source (ground) using the impedance of the actual
ground wire to control the direction of current flow.
Lastly, he needs to collect the current flow that comes into
the system from the ground wire and pump it out through
a load.
So when Ruslan states there is no magic here, just commonly
known physics, I don't think he is bullshitting us. He's just
doing it in a way that is not obvious on the surface. And what
I'm trying to do here is make it obvious, because I think this
method can be used for all sorts of devices we haven't even
thought of yet. And there may be ways to do this that are
more simple, though I suspect if there were, Ruslan wouldn't
have chosen something so complicated.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 26, 2023, 06:32:58 PM
I've been doing some reading...
https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html (https://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/cable_impedance.html)
There is correct combination where the ground wire allows current
flow in and stops reverse current flow back out. That will be our
pump. My guess is it won't be absolute, but will overall favor one
direction, enough where we can illuminate some lamps. ;)
Interesting subject.
So where and how do we srart or begin?
I have currently a 37.5m 16m^2 wire conected between my grenade, kacher secundairy and groundrod.
I can wound it op as a coil for at lrast 20meter.
This was also in one of the old kapanadze/Ruslan vids.
Can we try and measure something?
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 05:31:14 AM
So where and how do we srart or begin?
I have currently a 37.5m 16m^2 wire conected between my grenade, kacher secundairy and groundrod.
I can wound it op as a coil for at lrast 20meter.
This was also in one of the old kapanadze/Ruslan vids.
Can we try and measure something?
I'm not real certain how except for maybe following Akula's lead
when he built that big measuring coil. As I recall, he would test it
for resonance with and without the ground connection. He must
have known all the specifics of that measuring coil and based on
the variance with the ground connection, was able to calculate
what the impedance of the ground had to be. That's the only
idea I have for now we could try. I'm not at all sure how to go
about performing the calculation to be honest, but I can spot a
trend in the measurement data if there is one.
You will probably want to use your grenade coil to conduct the
measurement. If it doesn't give us good data, then I suppose
you could wind a large measuring coil, which you may end up
doing anyway.
If you try it, I would only loosely coil up your ground wire. That
way you can make a small adjustment either way by coiling it
tighter or by uncoiling it. Those would be two more measurements
you would want to take. I would hope to see some consistent
variation between the four measurements. With that, maybe
I can map the data to some kind of circuit that describes what
we are dealing with.
There's also two ways to conduct the measurements and you'll
probably want to do both of them.
One way is to find the new resonant frequency points.
The other way is to stay at the same resonant point and measure
the change in amplitude--attenuation.
Each way should be telling us the same thing, so I would expect
one way to actually validate the other.
If the data you collect is inconclusive, it could well mean grounding
in your location requires a completely different frequency to get
the effect we need for the device to work properly. This would
probably explain why there are so few working replications. It
makes a lot of sense to me that people have built these devices
completely oblivious to the ground circuits they connect them to,
then wonder why they do not show any power gain. I include
myself in that gang.
Can you be more specigic on the method and the measurement coil?
I m not familiar with how Akulas did it
So for good understanding, attached the method for connecting and probing.
So method 1: adjusting groundwire coil at 2Mhz and monitor Vpp at connection #2?
Btw, groud connections SG and Oscilloscoop are separate connected together and to the grid grounding.
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 07:46:05 AM
So for good understanding, attached the method for connecting and probing.
That looks like a good starting point. If you can use your two probes
in differential mode (math minus function) without attaching the ground,
that would be best.
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 07:46:05 AM
So method 1: adjusting groundwire coil at 2Mhz and monitor Vpp at connection #2?
We want to see if the amplitude changes when the ground is connected
at the resonant point and if so, by how much.
Then we want to see if the resonant point shifts frequency when the
ground is connected and if so, by how much.
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 07:46:05 AM
Btw, groud connections SG and Oscilloscoop are separate connected together and to the grid grounding.
Yes, this could be a problem I hadn't thought of. We need to keep
the ground clips from being connected to the coil if at all possible.
I'm thinking if you only connect the signal generator ground clip to
the inductor, hopefully this won't distort things too badly.
I also sent an email to this guy (https://iexploresiliconvalley.com/author/iexploresiliconvalley/page/2/) asking about how we might be able
to simulate ground wire impedance determination. I probably won't
get an answer right away or at all, but figured since this guy knows
his way around LTspice, maybe he would be interested enough to
lend a hand.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 27, 2023, 08:19:57 AM
Yes, this could be a problem I hadn't thought of. We need to keep
the ground clips from being connected to the coil if at all possible.
I'm thinking if you only connect the signal generator ground clip to
the inductor, hopefully this won't distort things too badly.
Ok, i made small vid in first attempt to see what happens.
Connected SG to inductor...
Math function on and sweeping frequency.
https://youtu.be/bUPAODcxLaU
My first results w/o math functionality is based on Vpp , see attached overview.
I thought you said you were a keen amature radio guy only as far as i know you only need an earth for 1/4 wave.
sil
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 27, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
I thought you said you were a keen amature radio guy only as far as i know you only need an earth for 1/4 wave.
sil
Haha, no I m not... not an E egineer eithr.
You stil here holding NickZ between the borders 8)
Any accomplisments lately?
Yes, he keeps throwing odd balls at me, to try my patients. Asylum crew...
Head nurse Miss Ratchet said he was out on good behavior, though.
We do know what has been tried, and did not work. But, no new developments lately. I am always testing the waters, for the missing link. Some help from someone that has shown success at this project, would help. Makes we wonder if Geofusion hit it off, and ain't saying...He's been MIA for a long while now.
Andrey245 is now working on this project, check his YouTube channel, if interested.
NickZ
hey have you tried a different pond yet ?
Dog-one,
I now hooked up the SG to the inductor coil, problem is in general to obtain any resonance frequency.
I only record the Vpp hen both signals are in phase.
Attached one oscope example.. ch3 is end grenade, ch2 is start point grenade
So see data attached, w and w/o groundline connected to grenade.
I hope this gives some more insight information.
Scope picture separate.
Also did a FFT sweep on 9, 4 and 0 groundline windings
See vid below.
https://youtu.be/jrm9ODRLAlo
Re; your video reference you posted on pulse width.
that wave form doesn't look in resonance as different parts of the conversion are at different amplitude.
Arn't we getting a bit confused here, it looks to me as if your trying to pump 2mhz sine wave into your
coil, in that photo, and yet you have a video on you tube referring to pulse width and fly back.
The problem with BEMF is if unloaded it will rise in voltage to an infinite value until some thing breaks down, however if collected in some way it's load will diminish it, as it's a very narrow pulse, and how would one pulse at 2mhz produce any power significance in a low frequency audio freq, half sqr wave if that's where the energy is suppose to come from.
Fun ainit, Sil
Ruslan Kulabukhov's own youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@ruslanklive9651/videos
Regards
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 10:16:09 AM
Haha, no I m not... not an E egineer eithr.
You stil here holding NickZ between the borders 8)
Any accomplisments lately?
A border over here is some one renting bed and breakfast.
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 27, 2023, 05:53:16 PM
Re; your video reference you posted on pulse width.
that wave form doesn't look in resonance as different parts of the conversion are at different amplitude.
Arn't we getting a bit confused here, it looks to me as if your trying to pump 2mhz sine wave into your
coil, in that photo, and yet you have a video on you tube referring to pulse width and fly back.
The problem with BEMF is if unloaded it will rise in voltage to an infinite value until some thing breaks down, however if collected in some way it's load will diminish it, as it's a very narrow pulse, and how would one pulse at 2mhz produce any power significance in a low frequency audio freq, half sqr wave if that's where the energy is suppose to come from.
Fun ainit, Sil
The vid about pulsing and bemf is done with bifilar coils.
Not with grenade
Quote from: apecore on March 26, 2023, 11:01:28 AM
This is my configuration.
I added pp foil between layer 1 and 2 for mor capacitance in order to get the 2.0Mhz region.
I also made a version w/o the plastic sheet between layer 1 & 2. Turns out by making layer 6 resp. 10 to 4 it corresponds with the original grenade frequency..
Quote from: apecore on March 27, 2023, 04:47:17 PM
Scope picture separate.
Also did a FFT sweep on 9, 4 and 0 groundline windings
There is definitely something happening with six loops.
I'd be real surprised if you could get the same effect without
using the grenade coil.
Question...
Do you have a set frequency for your push-pull? Or something
in mind for it?
Recall when you mix frequencies, you produce two new ones.
These two new frequencies would have to be centered around
the high frequency input, like: F
HIGH + F
LOW and F
HIGH - F
LOWSo it looks like to me, the push-pull frequency sets the bandwidth
of interest. And I'm wondering if this should include the high
frequency and just one of the two mixed frequencies; the other
gets attenuated.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 08:50:03 AM
Question...
Do you have a set frequency for your push-pull? Or something
in mind for it?
Recall when you mix frequencies, you produce two new ones.
These two new frequencies would have to be centered around
the high frequency input, like: FHIGH + FLOW and FHIGH - FLOW
So it looks like to me, the push-pull frequency sets the bandwidth
of interest. And I'm wondering if this should include the high
frequency and just one of the two mixed frequencies; the other
gets attenuated.
I m using for installation the inductorloop frequency using the well known 470nf cap.
Its 23.31khz
Probably it is better to use a sub harmonic from the 2.0Mhz.
I was considering 81st... that would be then 24.691khz.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 08:50:03 AM
So it looks like to me, the push-pull frequency sets the bandwidth
of interest. And I'm wondering if this should include the high
frequency and just one of the two mixed frequencies; the other
gets attenuated.
Adding to the data that the coil was not at resonance at 2.0Mhz the time i did the testing..
It was 1.9Mhz
This has bin verified by the V&I scoping.
Ground connection w/wo does not impact at all
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 08:50:03 AM
There is definitely something happening with six loops.
I'd be real surprised if you could get the same effect without
using the grenade
I can do a similar test with another coil... does it matter what configuration?
Same length or a different grenade?
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 09:18:30 AM
Probably it is better to use a sub harmonic from the 2.0Mhz.
I was considering 81st... that would be then 24.691khz.
I'd be willing to bet the 81st subharmonic would ride in the threshold
of noise--you would never detect it.
That push-pull frequency, IMHO, is there to set an offset from the
Tesla frequency. There is a high offset and a low offset. One of them
gets attenuated and the other does not. That's where the pumping
from ground action takes place. If both or neither offset was attenuated,
you would be back to zero sum and any pumping would cease.
This is why the grenade coil is so touchy to tune it properly. We are
talking an adjustment of 0.024 MHz makes or breaks it. Wave your
hand over it while it is running and it quits. To get it more stable
we need to run the push-pull at a bit higher frequency, like 0.1 MHz,
still using the same principal. If we run it at too high of a frequency,
we lose the sharp lobes on the frequency envelope and our power
drops way off.
I can start to see this as a serious engineering challenge and my
hat is off to Ruslan and the other guys that have done this and got
it to work.
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
I can do a similar test with another coil... does it matter what configuration?
Same length or a different grenade?
If you have or would like to build a straight cylinder coil that
has the same number of turns as your grenade, run your tests
again on that coil and I think you will see a much different trend.
You'll have to find its main resonant frequency to use as your
baseline.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 09:45:57 AM
If you have or would like to build a straight cylinder coil that
has the same number of turns as your grenade, run your tests
again on that coil and I think you will see a much different trend.
You'll have to find its main resonant frequency to use as your
baseline.
Ah, ok... so 37.5meter 0ne layer coil.
Regarding PP freq... I will check if 100khz is possible with the used yoke.
I will post a picture of its wavevorm
In the original 37.5mtr grenade you have the two currents running is opposite directions (P Reva) fame
look on Hyiq.com there is a film on youtube about how it works.
https://youtu.be/OXsXeDJiXK
Ooops this video is only availible on HYIQ menu sever, if your into truth! P Reva thread
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 09:49:39 AM
Ah, ok... so 37.5meter 0ne layer coil.
Regarding PP freq... I will check if 100khz is possible with the used yoke.
I will post a picture of its wavevorm
As you stated completely different story.
Have two vids uploaded
- zero groundline windings
- 9 groundline winding
I used single layer 37.5 meter 1mm coil with Fres @ 630khz
https://youtu.be/myibSsfd2W4
https://youtu.be/fCIWkvMa8ps
Regarding PP freq, i managed to get 113khz at inductorloop with 20nf series cap.
This results in significant lower Vpp at inductor
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 28, 2023, 10:55:23 AM
In the original 37.5mtr grenade you have the two currents running is opposite directions (P Reva) fame
look on Hyiq.com there is a film on youtube about how it works.
https://youtu.be/OXsXeDJiXK (https://youtu.be/OXsXeDJiXK)
Ooops this video is only availible on HYIQ menu sever, if your into truth! P Reva thread
Perhaps open source it then ?
AG
Too many games ...while the world hungers and time flying bye
Enuff dropping crumbs for the hungry .....?
Quote from: ramset on March 28, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
Perhaps open source it then ?
AG
Too many games ...while the world hungers and time flying bye
Enuff dropping crumbs for the hungry .....?
Very well said buddy. :-\
Regards
Derr open sauce what ? I don't have any hard ware wife chucked all the junk out called it clutter.
By the way apecore has a link to BEMF info on how the katcker gets it's energy from, ask him.
Sil
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 09:45:57 AM
You'll have to find its main resonant frequency to use as your
baseline.
Dog-one,
I repeated the grounline voil experiment.
I m not sure if first test was done in a good matter.
I now start with Fres as reference and adjust freq till f1-f2 is at highest value.
Also I added a second test with a different grenade, high inductance with 707khz Fres... not sure if its 37.5m could be 40m also.
Hope this confirms your journey into the Ruslan space
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 02:38:45 PM
Dog-one,
I repeated the grounline voil experiment.
I m not sure if first test was done in a good matter.
I now start with Fres as reference and adjust freq till f1-f2 is at highest value.
Also I added a second test with a different grenade, high inductance with 707khz Fres... not sure if its 37.5m could be 40m also.
Hope this confirms your journey into the Ruslan space
More very useful data apecore. Thank you for doing this.
I'll crunch through it and see if I can find some answers.
What I'm certain of at the moment is, we need to correctly
model a ground wire circuit so that actual impedance over a
frequency sweep matches pretty accurately to real world
bench testing.
Second, a model of this grenade coil will be very helpful.
To build such a thing, the test you just did with a straight
solenoid coil will act as a baseline so that we fully understand
how it behaves and how that behavior changes when connected
to a ground wire circuit. Then we start modifying the straight
coil model incrementally until it begins to behave like the
grenade coil does. Once we have a handle on that, then
we go after what I think it is what makes Ruslan's device
perform as it does. At the moment I have a hunch how his
device works. If we disprove my hunch by not being
physically possible, then we look for a new concept, but
until then, I think it's worth pursuing. Mainly because I have
toiled through at least a dozen concepts already that turned
out to be dead ends.
Ruslan knows how this thing works. He's been around radio
broadcasting for years and when he says there's a one in
million chance of someone figuring this out on their own,
it's because he knows how difficult it would be to not only
hold in your hand the concept, but be able to implement it
with so many engineering challenges to overcome. He's not
about to give up the goose that lays the golden eggs. Maybe
on his death bed, but not now. I'd like to be able to have a
conversation with him where we each have good technical
translators, because I think I could pin him down. If I'm
not correct, I'm surely in the ballpark.
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 28, 2023, 10:55:23 AM
... if your into truth!
Whose truth? Yours, mine, or someone else's?
Your welcome Doge-one,
I ve got plenty time to do tests... just need a direction to go.
Btw,.. the normal 1 layer coil test I only made a small vid... its not comparable with a grenade.
Maybe I will do another one... seems like we ve seen something happening at the 6 winding order.
For low and high inductance grenade.
I can put my setup closer to the groundrod, its all inside building so i can make more turns in the groundline also.
But, your right we probably need to a reference to a one layer coil also... its the start point to understand what is different with the grenade coils.
Feel free to propose some additional tests.... no problem.
Or... I have also a second groundwire... 20meters..
In combination with a extra coil as Ruslan has in his setup.
So we stay total at 37.5meter but have the extra coil with more inductance as the groundline windings
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 03:30:58 PM
Feel free to propose some additional tests.... no problem.
I wish I could keep up with you. You must be in your 30's full
of spunk and raring to go.
I'm trying to get a handle on this simulator stuff so I can
come up with a few test for you to try, but my old brain keeps
getting stuck in first gear.
Here's a little something to take a look at if you are so inclined:
https://iexploresiliconvalley.com/2019/08/27/ltspice-lesson-3-transmission-lines-part-1/ (https://iexploresiliconvalley.com/2019/08/27/ltspice-lesson-3-transmission-lines-part-1/)
https://iexploresiliconvalley.com/2020/07/11/ltspice-lesson-5-how-to-simulate-impedances/ (https://iexploresiliconvalley.com/2020/07/11/ltspice-lesson-5-how-to-simulate-impedances/)
May not seem like much, but I'll bet some engineers spent many
an hour mastering this stuff.
I m almost 60 :) 8)
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 03:45:07 PM
I m almost 60 :) 8)
Oh now you've done it.
You just told your first lie. How am I ever going to trust
you again? ;D
Quote from: Dog-One on March 28, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
Oh now you've done it.
You just told your first lie. How am I ever going to trust
you again? ;D
I m not going to share a picture of me here.... probably you wil say its fake.
Hmmm...i dont give a damm... butt who knows. ;D
Let us save this planet first or get the 1 billion dollar deal
What are you burbling on about ? how is it my fault gues work isn't an answere ?
how is it my fault your usless at detective work ? what is it you want to know when its all been in the thread, on or another of them.
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 03:59:56 PM
Let us save this planet first or get the 1 billion dollar deal
Roger that.
Have a look at this youtube vidio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZM3DzjiQ8E
Ruslan knows? One in a million chance... Maybe, hardly any one up to now. Ruslan did not and could not build even one of his circuit boards. Oleg built them for him.But Ruslan is a good replicator and improvisor of Akula's ideas and designs. Unlike most of us, wanting to reinvent the wheel. Instead of learning from actual engineers, who designed this device.
Quote from: apecore on March 28, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
I can do a similar test with another coil... does it matter what configuration?
Same length or a different grenade?
Ape.
It may matter, Stalker built up 25 grenades, before getting one that worked.The original size was 37.5, then 40m, etc
Mine is 37.5, and runs best at about ,18KHz, or so. With the wima 0.47uf 2000v tuning cap on the inductor circuit. But, the main power come from the ferrite yoke core. No yoke, no output. It is the heart of this device, not the air core grenade, nor the Kacher, HV.That's why that shown Ruslan circuit only has 60 watts output, Instead of his 5000 watts output shown running in the field, at sunset.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on March 28, 2023, 10:12:11 PM
Ape.
It may matter, Stalker built up 25 grenades, before getting one that worked.The original size was 37.5, then 40m, etc
Mine is 37.5, and runs best at about ,18KHz, or so. With the wima 0.47uf 2000v tuning cap on the inductor circuit. But, the main power come from the ferrite yoke core. No yoke, no output. It is the heart of this device, not the air core grenade, nor the Kacher, HV.That's why that shown Ruslan circuit only has 60 watts output, Instead of his 5000 watts output shown running in the field, at sunset.
NickZ
It's not about putting caps of .47uf there and looking for maximum voltage. Frequencies to be used are determined and caps selected to match at resonance.
It's all about Tesla. The yoke core can't give you any more additional power, it purpose is for waveform.
Maxolous
Build this , no regrets .
Note; let the first NAND IC be that of 74LS132D. Very important
Quote from: maxolous on March 29, 2023, 06:59:12 PM
Build this , no regrets
I appreciate your willingness to help us out and I have to ask:
In terms of impedance, please explain why I would be interested in
the following adjustments:
Quote from: Dog-One on March 29, 2023, 09:21:09 PM
I appreciate your willingness to help us out and I have to ask:
In terms of impedance, please explain why I would be interested in
the following adjustments:
Dog-one, everything is timely. You will need a controlled tesla to achieve this. Mind you , you are combining waveforms and you must match them in a timely manner.
Maxolous
Found this posted over on OUR https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4216.msg97076#msg97076
it might be of interest if your into experimenting.
oops lost link to dog's question on last page about how too ?
I think I would want to know how I can phase lock a device to a tl494 input and not the other way round (sampling it's outputs). A CD4046 and dividers can be a pain in the arse Re Igorik device on OUR.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4219.msg104508;topicseen#msg104508
Sil
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 30, 2023, 08:44:37 AM
Found this posted over on OUR https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4216.msg97076#msg97076
it might be of interest if your into experimenting.
Very intersting, thanks
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 30, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
I think I would want to know how I can phase lock a device to a tl494 input and not the other way round (sampling it's outputs). A CD4046 and dividers can be a pain in the arse Re Igorik device on OUR.
I've used the CD74HCT4046 (https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hct4046a.pdf) many times. It's a nice little chip,
but like anything else, it has some tuning required to get it to
track a source signal and if you tune it too tight, it will jump
out of lock and go off scanning for anything else.
In the case of this device, we can use this PLL as a multiplier.
Apecore suggests going after an odd subharmonic, so it is
quite doable to take the grenade resonant frequency and
produce a Tesla frequency.
We can also go the other way around and use the PLL to lock
to the Tesla frequency, divide by an odd subharmonic and drive
the push-pull with that. It all really depends on which frequency
is the more critical one.
So anybody tried the configuration with tuning method as described by RuslanT?
http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%d0%b3%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%b0%d1%82%d0%be%d1%80-%d1%80%d1%83%d1%81%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%ba%d1%83%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%b1%d1%83%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%b0/#entry260606
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 30, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
I think I would want to know how I can phase lock a device to a tl494 input and not the other way round (sampling it's outputs). A CD4046 and dividers can be a pain in the arse Re Igorik device on OUR.
So what exactly are you looking for?
I'm running PLL with actif 2nd order lowpass filter.
Going directly to kacher primairy mosfet.
Stil busy optimalisation in order to get a bandwidth of +/- 100khz within offset frequency.
According Ruslan as stated in 2016 (see previous link) inductor frequency can be any integer from grenade/ kacher frequency.
With fine tuning in 10th of kiloherz to determine dancing sinewaves at approx Fres grenade.
So that means no fixed frequency divider for Pushpull.
In other words for stability PLL is needed for inductor loop also.
Or maybe i m wrong... he pulses inductor ttough yoke with square pulses.. so no seriescap?
When i do puls inductor with spprox 40khz I get 2kV spikes on inductor.
Which are 600ns width.... this is wider as a half wave from kacher..(250ns)
Problem is when I translate the text it is not a consistent story.
If smebody has a better explanation about wich coil does what and how he tunes inductor coil?
That would be welvome
Have you got a scope shot of your katcher drive wave form showing a wave form shot and the active
section of push pull section as well. It should full of bemf pulses i would expect. Is it?
Sil
Quote from: Dog-One on March 30, 2023, 03:31:14 PM
I've used the CD74HCT4046 (https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hct4046a.pdf) many times. It's a nice little chip,
but like anything else, it has some tuning required to get it to
track a source signal and if you tune it too tight, it will jump
out of lock and go off scanning for anything else.
My experience with the 4046 is that your input signal must be stable.
In my opinion lock range for kacher should be max +-100khz.
[quote author=Dog-One link=topic=19422.msg575959#msg575959 date=1680204674
In the case of this device, we can use this PLL as a multiplier.
Apecore suggests going after an odd subharmonic, so it is
quite doable to take the grenade resonant frequency and
produce a Tesla frequency.
[/quote]
This idea is out of scope regarding Ruslan stating "we need to tune outside of the max V region, searching for the wave strarts to dance". ...this is not @ resonance i assume.. or at least in a fixed small value next to it
[/quote]
[quote author=Dog-One link=topic=19422.msg575959#msg575959 date=1680204674
We can also go the other way around and use the PLL to lock
to the Tesla frequency, divide by an odd subharmonic and drive
the push-pull with that. It all really depends on which frequency
is the more critical one.
[/quote]
Yes we need the kacher to run at grenade resonance, taken in account Ruslan's comment .. this must be done with PLL.
But for Pushpull frequency we need to adjust a sub harmonic at a level of 1khz.( tune by 1/10 of a khz) looking for the wave to dance.(Fpp)
So this will not be a fixed sub harmonic from kacher.
I think and if not please comment, we take a SG3525 sychronise it with the 4046 and let it drive the PP on a fixed frequency.(Fpp)
Open issue for me is ..Push pull is it sinewave or square.
We all tried sinewave... did not work.
Synchronisation both VCO's is essential and easy using SG3525.
Lets try push-pull w/o seriescap.
🤝 Apecore: What you are looking for now, is what all of us here need to know. But, no one does know. And is why we need to get to the bottom of this.
I followed the directions from Stalker, as I have more faith in his approach. Vasik offered a lot of information about that, but still neither Itsu myself nor anyone else here has had any success, at all. Someone who has never built this device, will have no idea about how to go about tuning it. Nor how it really works, and why. Ruslan has mentioned about the use of a tuning method using a small current transformer to tune the Kacher to the grenade circuits with. T-1000 explained to me how to use it. If interested I can explain it to you, if you don't already know.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on March 31, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Ruslan has mentioned about the use of a tuning method using a small current transformer to tune the Kacher to the grenade circuits with. T-1000 explained to me how to use it. If interested I can explain it to you, if you don't already know.
NickZ
I m not aware of the method, please explain.
Ape:
Also, the pp is driving both the inductor, and also the grenade's output coil, through the yoke. Inductor frequency is normally around 15 to 18KHz. Output coil runs at the same or close by frequency, in my case. I don't tune for any certain set frequency, as I've had no luck at all with that approach. Watch Itsu's videos about tuning and set frequencies watch his last couple of videos about this device.
The pp pulses the yoke core circuits using a square wave, but the inductor and grenade output coil have sine waves as their output. I hope that this is what you were asking about.
I will explain about the use of the current transformer, later. You might check my last video on this topic, first.
NickZ
Have you tried talking to it or pleeding with it to work or just plain praying ?
Ok i give you a hint about the sqr wave vs sine wave if you feed a sqr wave into a coil
winding it will produce a sine wave and its best if it's in resanance 'purity'.
Sil
Quote from: NickZ on March 31, 2023, 11:13:12 AM
Ape:
Also, the pp is driving both the inductor, and also the grenade's output coil, through the yoke. Inductor frequency is normally around 15 to 18KHz. Output coil runs at the same or close by frequency, in my case. I don't tune for any certain set frequency, as I've had no luck at all with that approach. Watch Itsu's videos about tuning and set frequencies watch his last couple of videos about this device.
The pp pulses the yoke core circuits using a square wave, but the inductor and grenade output coil have sine waves as their output. I hope that this is what you were asking about.
I will explain about the use of the current transformer, later. You might check my last video on this topic, first.
NickZ
Nick,
This what we all did, thats why i bring this up...
No seriescap will give square wave at inductor and no sinewave in grenade also.
Sinewave comes from kacher.
Quote from: AlienGrey on March 31, 2023, 11:32:41 AM
Have you tried talking to it or pleeding with it to work or just plain praying ?
Ok i give you a hint about the sqr wave vs sine wave if you feed a sqr wave into a coil
winding it will produce a sine wave and its best if it's in resanance 'purity'.
Sil
I m not asking hints, I m comparing methods.
I know sine and square... thats not the point.
Did someone tried Ruslan' s approach?
Did you get am modulated grenade output ? Low 30Hz on top on high frequency ? How it can be done with Tesla coil ?
apecore:
Not sure what you are asking about. Forest, same.
NickZ
apecore: I do have a sine wave at both inductor and grenade outputs.Push pull signal, is a square wave to the yoke. Kacher circuit output is a sine wave, also.That is what I have.
NickZ
Quote from: apecore on March 31, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
Did someone tried Ruslan' s approach?
For the record (http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%d0%b3%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%b0%d1%82%d0%be%d1%80-%d1%80%d1%83%d1%81%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%ba%d1%83%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%b1%d1%83%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%b0/#entry260606), here is the english translation. Terms not recognized.
Quote from: RuslanT on March 11, 2016, 03:34:00 AM
Hello. Maybe here we will find a common language. I will say right away that I do not sit on the forums much. No time! However, now for the 5th time I am assembling an Akulin installation to increase the power. Have ideas.... And in fact, people are looking for a little bit of everything wrong.
All these systems work on the basis of standing and traveling waves. You must first catch the movement of particles in the coil. That is, as Kapanadze does with the help of a tester or ammeter. Only at RF frequencies, no ammeter will help and you will need to catch with an oscilloscope.
First rule: Wind the coil 40 meters. 2. Find out its resonant frequency (1/4 wave) Inductor 1/4 = 10 meters of the same wire (for example, 2.5 mm) Connect the generator to a 10 meter coil, drive the rectangles at a frequency of 1 MHz and crawl higher, until a sinusoid appears at 40 meters. Peak amplitude. It is advisable to take a normal generator, laboratory! With adjustable output from 0 to 20 volts. Achieve the maximum amplitude and move tenths of the kilohertz until the sinus begins to dance. It's your wave resonance !!! We fix the frequency and voltage. It is for this that all you will have to make generators.
Further... Tesla reel under this frequency that got the effect. Then we do everything like I did or Shark. In this case, everyone wants to repeat this device. Forward! We fix everything beautifully and rigidly, not forgetting that the resonance and effect can escape in cases of fastenings on the snot. We need to get the effect itself and the work, and not a ready-made device. As soon as you begin to understand what to do next, you will be able to move yourself.
So.... Tesla, as we know, also wets the sinusoid. Let's say your frequency is 1.821MHz. Herring frequency, but alas. You'll have to tune Tesla to her. The shark applied a firic between Tesla and the toroid (Antenna) over the inductor. It's just an exact adjustment. It is needed before launching. Then the system holds and it does not matter where what has slid within large limits. But! Again... What's where?
On the Inductor, we feed a rectangle signal with a frequency of 1/50. Consider : 1820 : 50 = 36.4 kHz pumping rectangle through the interchange (Pot) with 23-29 turns of wire of 2.5 square. Again, you need to make the voltage on this harmonic not 10-20 volts, but higher by an order of magnitude. Up to about 50-60 volts and get the same dancing effect at the output.
Further! Do not forget that Tesla does not need strong power. No need to let sparks in and wet so that it pierces. It's nothing to !!! It is better to make a controlled Tesla.
Continue : At the output there will be a voltage of 195-200 volts. This tension will not be higher. Why? We'll come back to that later.
You need to wind the transformer - reactor (Coil) to get the desired voltage. This requires experimentation. Remember that we are pushing the current in the reactor with a transverse wave. Created by Tesla. In the coil, another wave is formed under the influence of pumping rectangles. Particles of which are constantly rotating to the left and right. Giving them the movement of a pulsating Tesla, we accelerate them in the conductor itself. It's a gemmoroic understanding, but a fact. Tesla must be triggered in one half-period or with one arm of the transistor. It is desirable to control Tesla to carry out a pack - a pulse generator. When everything is clearly configured, you will see how the effect manifests itself when you change the width of the pack. Tesla's consumption is minuscule, and pumping does not strain at all. Output current up to 7 amperes and voltage 200-209 volts. Light bulbs and PSU pulse work well.
Now on the takeaway :
1. The coil is connected via a diode bridge. No parallel !!! capacitors
2. You need but from Tesla only one half wave. Otherwise, Tesla will take what it gave back !!! Therefore, the diode from the ground is placed on the reel itself (40m) The shark did it at the reception. He removed one part of the sinuses at the reception itself. Because Tesla. No one knows this and to this day, nichrome doesn't work. It's clear!
You need to swing the swing in the energy recovery coil. That's where we push the current. By the way, the excess from Tesla and the frequency setting Shark used a simple light bulb. Since the inductor is galvanically untethered from the entire circuit, the bulb served as a resistive load of extinguishing excess from tesla and aiming. You don't have to bet, but don't rock Tesla too much. Do not! Remember that the current obeys the voltage. I see this from the experiments that I conducted 2 years ago.
Further: The diode on the receiving reel destroys one half-period and thus we swing the oscillations without slowing them down with a negative Tesla period. Many people do not know this either and continue to sculpt. That's why Roman (Shark) talks about what eats grounding... That's right! Because it kills the pulse of the half period on the reception, which is grounded. This is visible in all his installations! I wondered for a long time why he applied this solution and realized that it is easier to pick up explosive diodes. Since interference at such frequencies in Tesla will lead to its incorrect operation. In other words, cutting off the half-period will not work. Kapa solved this issue by a discharger and rectifiers at bass frequencies. Everything is simpler there, but there are more wires.... So on the German installation diodic small, Tesla is far away, the grounding cable is long. By the way, equal to the length of Tesla !!! Don't forget about grounding.... On this installation it is the main thing and without a good support (grounding) will NOT work. Do not forget that high voltage is used in the systems. As we know, it moves even in the air. That is why grounding is necessary. Plus wave resonance and safety.... Somehow.....
Quote from: NickZ on March 31, 2023, 08:20:17 PM
apecore: I do have a sine wave at both inductor and grenade outputs.Push pull signal, is a square wave to the yoke. Kacher circuit output is a sine wave, also.That is what I have.
I think what apecore is getting at is that what comes out of the
yoke should also be a square wave, which makes a lot more sense
because the rise/fall time is what is critical not the frequency.
Certainly would explain why a ferrite yoke works well and an iron
core mostly sucks--get a sine wave instead. Recall, an ideal
transformer will pass a square wave through it just fine. The only
thing that will change is the zero reference.
Well, that's not what I see.
So, let's see it doing so, a square wave at the yoke, and at the inductor coil (scope shot), as well as the grenade output coil.
All square waves? I don't think so.
If I understand this right.
This is where we have to compare notes,
so to speak.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on March 31, 2023, 09:09:05 PM
So, let's see it doing so, a square wave at the yoke, and at the inductor coil (scope shot), as well as the grenade output coil.
All square waves? I don't think so.
Quote from: RuslanT on March 11, 2016, 03:34:00 AM
So.... Tesla, as we know, also wets the sinusoid. Let's say your frequency is 1.821MHz. Herring frequency, but alas. You'll have to tune Tesla to her. The shark applied a firic between Tesla and the toroid (Antenna) over the inductor. It's just an exact adjustment. It is needed before launching. Then the system holds and it does not matter where what has slid within large limits. But! Again... What's where?
On the Inductor, we feed a rectangle signal with a frequency of 1/50. Consider : 1820 : 50 = 36.4 kHz pumping rectangle through the interchange (Pot) with 23-29 turns of wire of 2.5 square. Again, you need to make the voltage on this harmonic not 10-20 volts, but higher by an order of magnitude. Up to about 50-60 volts and get the same dancing effect at the output.
You need to wind the transformer - reactor (Coil) to get the desired voltage. This requires experimentation. Remember that we are pushing the current in the reactor with a transverse wave. Created by Tesla. In the coil, another wave is formed under the influence of pumping rectangles. Particles of which are constantly rotating to the left and right. Giving them the movement of a pulsating Tesla, we accelerate them in the conductor itself.
I didn't say it, Ruslan did.
No square wave in the grenade coil. You just need to get a
square to the inductor and from there, whatever happens,
happens...
Have no idea what "wets the sinusoid" actually means. I would
guess it means to just keep the traveling waves flowing at some
amplitude within the grenade coil.
I do know however what, "influence of pumping rectangles"
means and there is only one place those could come from.
Well, that's good cause I don't have any idea about what Ruslan is trying to say. I think that most of it is BS.
NickZ
If that post was coming from Tom (babble) Beardon, I would agree 99%.
Unfortunately, what choice do we have with it coming from Ruslan?
If what he posted is pretty darn close to the way you have to build and
tune this gizmo, I kind of think we have to do it that way, then try to
figure out why what he says doesn't match what we see. Did we do
something wrong? Did we use the wrong components? Did we assume
something Ruslan never said? About all we can do is take it all apart,
piece by piece and see what is screwed up. Unless you have a better
idea...?
Quote from: Dog-One on April 01, 2023, 12:29:13 AM
If that post was coming from Tom (babble) Beardon, I would agree 99%.
Unfortunately, what choice do we have with it coming from Ruslan?
If what he posted is pretty darn close to the way you have to build and
tune this gizmo, I kind of think we have to do it that way, then try to
figure out why what he says doesn't match what we see. Did we do
something wrong? Did we use the wrong components? Did we assume
something Ruslan never said? About all we can do is take it all apart,
piece by piece and see what is screwed up. Unless you have a better
idea...?
Damm right Dog-one
Cut it in pieces en do every single step accordingly. Turning pots is been done for 8 years now.
In that case NickZ shoukd have outperform us already he did a lot al those years I wasnt here.
But unfortunately he didn't do the correct way.
So yoking aside..
Reading and breaking down the Ruslan method I noticed he is talking about the reactor 23-29 turns and tuning it to the mentioned voltage..
This is the 28T coil, and this coil determines the inductorloop frequency..
Stil inductorloop sinewace ( seriescap) is in scope.
So first find the dancing wave.. (w, w/o) kacher active?
We try both options.
Then tune the voltage by playing wirh the numbers of turns..
AM modulation may be a key https://file.io/gX7twzlySIT0[/size]
I suppose we are creating large static energy around Tesla coil then move it at low frequency to create rise in current[/size]
Quote from: forest on April 01, 2023, 06:36:24 AM
AM modulation may be a key https://file.io/gX7twzlySIT0[/size]
I suppose we are creating large static energy around Tesla coil then move it at low frequency to create rise in current[/size]
Nothing to find in the link
The other thing mentioned in that post from Ruslan is "launching",
or start-up. It appears this is a bit tricky and must be done in a
proper order. I would bet for those of you using PLLs, this might
be an oversight. If we think of the grenade coil as a reactor chamber,
which if we look at it as a transmission line, that's what it is. You
have to get the correct things happening in the proper order.
My hunch is, because what you are attempting to do is not
a natural thing, it will fight you trying to do it. If I'm interpreting
what Ruslan is saying, that little ferrite stick with a few opposing
wraps on it between the Tesla coil and antenna is there just for
start-up and there could be other things too.
Yes, turning trim pots is just so much fun... But, I did a bit more than just that. I followed the instructions and the schematic and built an actual replication, including the feed back circuit.
The 28 turn coil is the yoke's secondary coil, which feeds the grenade output coil, not the grenade inductor coil. The three turns secondary yoke coil feeds the inductor, instead.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 01, 2023, 09:31:17 AM
The other thing mentioned in that post from Ruslan is "launching",
or start-up. It appears this is a bit tricky and must be done in a
proper order.
My hunch is, because what you are attempting to do is not
a natural thing, it will fight you trying to do it.
I think thats a good way to challenge all the crazy ideas we want to bring in practice.
Based on outcome a short rap up will bring us with both feet back on the ground.
https://streamable.com/yheb35
This is the original waveform reading in Kapanadze 2004.
380-400Hz
What is it exactly a reading of what ?
Quote from: forest on April 01, 2023, 12:10:27 PM
https://streamable.com/yheb35
Can you be more specific in;
Where is it measured?
What does it say?
What system?
What output?
Please do some explanation?
AM low frequency modulation of HF Tesla coil may be a solution. It was mentioned by Bunk and by Ruslan. I don't know how to make it, working on it but progress is slow. in nutshell what we shoud do is high amount of static charge and move it using modulation then tap generated current either by Barbosa&Leal method or by induction (Kapanadze)
Quote from: forest on April 01, 2023, 01:14:57 PM
AM low frequency modulation of HF Tesla coil may be a solution. It was mentioned by Bunk and by Ruslan. I don't know how to make it, working on it but progress is slow. in nutshell what we shoud do is high amount of static charge and move it using modulation then tap generated current either by Barbosa&Leal method or by induction (Kapanadze)
I dont know either, we have to ask Dog-one if it makes sense?
Maybe your suggestion will open the door.
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 01, 2023, 01:00:11 PM
What is it exactly a reading of what ?
This is the sound when the device is turned off but still working.
Quote from: forest on April 01, 2023, 01:14:57 PM
AM low frequency modulation of HF Tesla coil may be a solution. It was mentioned by Bunk and by Ruslan. I don't know how to make it, working on it but progress is slow. in nutshell what we shoud do is high amount of static charge and move it using modulation then tap generated current either by Barbosa&Leal method or by induction (Kapanadze)
There has been interesting research involving modulation of the capacitance with the phase.
Quote from: apecore on April 01, 2023, 01:19:50 PM
I dont know either, we have to ask Dog-one if it makes sense?
Maybe your suggestion will open the door.
It's not a normal Amplitude Modulation, pretty certain of that.
With packs of Tesla spikes where the spacing between them is
important, those interacting with the edges of the square waves...
And those square waves we cannot really see because they are
pure current.
Some kind of mixing takes place. It's not modulation and it's
not normal heterodyning either. It is the secret though where
we combine voltage and current and end up with more power
than we consume to make the input signals. Trouble is, there
is more to it. We do not get the power gain unless the grounding
comes into play. So this mixing only sets the stage. It opens
the door for the grounding to add to the total power in the system
that we eventually extract out of the grenade (reactor).
I am still at a loss for knowing how to detect if we are doing
everything correctly. We should see some indication on the
scope if we have it hooked up properly. Or with a small lamp
connected to the grenade output. Maybe both are needed.
Another thought is maybe some of us are closer than we think
and just are not doing the grounding correctly. Ruslan talks
about diodes at the end of the ground and at the "receiver",
which might be right next to the unit, inline. He also talks
about the ground wire length being the same as the length
of wire wound on the Tesla secondary.
To me, there are enough pieces in this device and only one
thing has to be screwed up for the whole thing to not work
as desired. At some point you have to check each piece the
best you can, know it to be correct and move on to other parts.
If you think everything is built and tuned properly and still
nothing, then you're wrong, something is still screwed up.
This is no doubt a tough nut to crack.
As Akula once had shown, his device could run without the Earth ground connection, also.So, the surrounding ambient energy is where the extra energy comes from. Not from the ground. But goes to the ground, instead.
However, the Earth ground allows for a better functioning, and also allows the normal overheating of components to stay at cooler temps.
NickZ
Nick you could justmake your device 1/2 wave instead of 1/4 wave or use a car battery as a your earth or some large metalic structure.
Sil
I think earth ground is used with a length of wire because it
has a consistent impedance. Once we have something running
with an earth ground that is quite robust, then I think switching
to something else might be practical. For now, a non earth
grounded system is out of scope.
Just as a reminder, you saw the differences apecore documented
by just putting some loops in his ground wire, it definitely appeared
to have a sweet spot with six loops.
A 40 meter grenade coil wound with 10 AWG wire has a resistance
of only 0.131 ohms. At resonance the impedance should be near
zero and the wire resistance determines the Q factor.
We can get impedance changes due to most anything that knock us
completely out of whack. For example, look at the bandwidth below.
That's how tight of tolerances we are dealing with. You might also
notice the kind of power that is hiding in there, easily capable of
vaporizing the wire if the resonance didn't go to crap first. Early on,
I wound a big grenade coil with AWG 4 wire. I'm almost glad it
didn't work. I probably wouldn't be here now if it had run for a
few microseconds before it made a crater.
One other thing...
Startup is a bitch if you are using lamps because the resistance
increases as the filament heats up. This means your Q factor
drops once it's running. A lower Q factor is easier to tune than
a high Q factor. So at start-up, you have to be spot on frequency.
If you are not, you'll be playing Catch-22 forever, since the bulb
won't light. Pretty sure this led to the hack Ruslan used by dumping
power from the push-pull into the load circuit--he had to get the
load active before the reactor would come into tolerance.
I would highly recommend using a fixed resistive load. It will
need to handle some wattage. Use something like a water
heater or oven core. The more ohms the better for start-up
until you get things dialed in. You can parallel a lamp to this
load as an indicator. Whatever you do, you have to avoid
inrush current. These systems aren't yet tweaked well enough
to deal with it.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 12:04:45 AM
One other thing...
Startup is a bitch if you are using lamps because the resistance
increases as the filament heats up. This means your Q factor
drops once it's running. A lower Q factor is easier to tune than
a high Q factor. So at start-up, you have to be spot on frequency.
If you are not, you'll be playing Catch-22 forever, since the bulb
won't light. Pretty sure this led to the hack Ruslan used by dumping
power from the push-pull into the load circuit--he had to get the
load active before the reactor would come into tolerance.
I would highly recommend using a fixed resistive load. It will
need to handle some wattage. Use something like a water
heater or oven core. The more ohms the better for start-up
until you get things dialed in. You can parallel a lamp to this
load as an indicator. Whatever you do, you have to avoid
inrush current. These systems aren't yet tweaked well enough
to deal with it.
Thanks for clarification, this load definition is as I understand one of the parametes what needs to be defined as a fixed value.
I d like to define other hardware specs if possible also.
One of these things is wire length of all coils and groundline.
Let me start with a propsal and if needed we can adjust... but more important we need to start with a reference setup.
Attached how I think the best coil/ wirelength setup should be configured.
The issue is that in order to get the kacher to resonate at 2Mhz i cant use the 37.5 meter completely in the secundairy coil.
This means in my setup kachersecundaiy will have the remaining coillength in a separate coil.
Can i assume that the length of the kacher secondary is inclusive antenna and ferrite wirelength?
We now have same wirelength for grenade and kachersecundairy.
In order to have the "0" node starting at groundrod position we totally need 3/4 total wirelength.
This results when using 37.5m groundline we need to add an extra 37.5 meter coil.
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 01, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
Nick you could justmake your device 1/2 wave instead of 1/4 wave or use a car battery as a your earth or some large metalic structure.
Sil
Yes, I could...But then, so can you. You know that I don't just guess about what is needed, I leave that up to you guys. One thing to keep in mind is that the ground line will show no gain if the device is NOT in resonance. So, you can tell when in resonance, if when connecting the earth ground to the device, it produces a gain at the output. Geo's bulbs won't even light at all, without a proper ground line.
Also, if your Kacher secondary is not tuned at the right frequency, your Kacher circuit controllers will not make up for it. So, if you want to try 2MHz, as the Kacher frequency match, the Kacher secondary needs to be tuned in wire length to that frequency, first.
I would not believe what Ruslan was saying in those older videos. His interests are not in helping us out. But in making money, from this device sales instead. Even if it means selling a non working device, for $5.000.
No "secrets" will he provide us with.
NickZ
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 07:37:07 AM
We now have same wirelength for grenade and kachersecundairy.
In order to have the "0" node starting at groundrod position we totally need 3/4 total wirelength.
This results when using 37.5m groundline we need to add an extra 37.5 meter coil.
Probably adding an extra groundcoil mskes no sense... so can we conclude that having the 2Mhz grenade isnt a good option?
When we could have it resonate at 1Mhz we dont need the extra 37.5meter groundcoil.
Even the kacher secondary could be tuned ( by antenna) to 1Mhz if its wirelength is the same as the grenade.
Do you think that the 37.5M grenade coil length as being the same or as good as any other length?
The inductor is 1/2 that size. Coincidence?... My opinion, is the the length of the grenade output coil needs to tune to a natural ambient frequency peak, at that particular frequency. And, not just any old frequencies.Spacial coherence to the right Earth frequency, may have everything to do with it.
:)
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on April 02, 2023, 10:25:59 AM
Do you think that the 37.5M grenade coil length as being the same or as good as any other length?
The inductor is 1/2 that size. Coincidence?...
:)
NickZ
Well there are other inductorlength defined... Ruslan states 1/4.
I have it 1/3... 12.5meter it fits exactly 2 layers .
So its not a parameter from which we can say now its whatever.
Same as frequency... I have a Russian schematic were all loops are defined at 2Mhz...
28T pulses grenade with seriescap at 2Mhz
Both leads from grenade are connected to a 37.5meter groundline by a diode.
I dont know if it works but it gives some direction about m.o. in my opinion.
This is my 2Mhz inspiration9
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 07:37:07 AM
The issue is that in order to get the kacher to resonate at 2Mhz i cant use the 37.5 meter completely in the secundairy coil.
If you do the above, does this make the frequency above or below 2 MHz?
Guessing below...?
I'm asking because it appears to me you guys are overlooking
interwinding capacitance. A tightly wound coil will resonate at
a lower frequency and have a lower Q factor--the capacitance
will be higher.
For the Tesla coil using enamel wire there's a trick I used
to reduce the capacitance and get the frequency higher. That
trick is to increase the spacing between turns. What I did is
wind the coil with two wires--one was actual enamel wire
and the other wasn't wire, it was clear fishing line which gave
me a nice consistent spacing between the conductors. Doing
this, the resonant frequency went way up, giving me the option
to add more turns. If you overshoot in frequency, you can pull
some turns of fishing line off and pack the enamel wire back
together. With several iterations, you can dial it in pretty darn
close.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 11:12:14 AM
If you do the above, does this make the frequency above or below 2 MHz?
Guessing below...?
I'm asking because it appears to me you guys are overlooking
interwinding capacitance. A tightly wound coil will resonate at
a lower frequency and have a lower Q factor--the capacitance
will be higher.
For the Tesla coil using enamel wire there's a trick I used
to reduce the capacitance and get the frequency higher. That
trick is to increase the spacing between turns. What I did is
wind the coil with two wires--one was actual enamel wire
and the other wasn't wire, it was clear fishing line which gave
me a nice consistent spacing between the conductors. Doing
this, the resonant frequency went way up, giving me the option
to add more turns. If you overshoot in frequency, you can pull
some turns of fishing line off and pack the enamel wire back
together. With several iterations, you can dial it in pretty darn
close.
Thats what Im saying.
Have it coiled, and gets at 1.4Mhz
W/o fishingline
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Thats what Im saying.
Have it coiled, and gets at 1.4Mhz
W/o fishingline
At 1.4MHz now, I'd bet if half of your coil had some spacing, you
would bring the frequency up pretty close to 2 MHz.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 11:23:50 AM
At 1.4MHz now, I'd bet if half of your coil had some spacing, you
would bring the frequency up pretty close to 2 MHz.
Ok,.. i will try it tomorrow, have some 25/100 mm fishingwire
Ape: I don't trust anything that Ruslan has said. Stalker, on the other hand shows and explains every thing in detail. If the post above is true, where does the 3 turn coil, and it's 1/2 size grenade inductor coil connected with an in series 0.47uf wima capacitor comes into play?
I am not sure which device you are quoting from.
As Ruslan has not shown any scope shot showing 2MHz, or 2KHz. But, he has shown a 15KHz scope shot. If my memory is correct.
But, remember that every self runner is running at totally different frequencies. I am referring the TopRuslan 7 device, that we had built some years ago.
NickZ
P S. Frequency error has been corrected to 15KHz, not 1.5KHz.
you would need to use fishing line. you realy need to find the wave length your using if its.37.5 mtrs you need to devide it by 1/4 wave thus winding it over 9.375 cm would be or 18.75 cm would be in resonance, other wise you get jumps in frequency
when tuning and losses. just like ham radio.
The other thing is 37.5 isn't in tune with the univers
Sil
Thinking about it if i were you why bother just go wild, oh you have ! ;D
Quote from: NickZ on April 02, 2023, 11:35:59 AM
Ape: I don't trust anything that Ruslan has said.Stalker, on the other hand shows and explains every thing in detail.
If the post above is true, where does the 3 turn coil, and it's 1/2 size grenade inductor coil connected with an in series 0.47uf wima capacitor comes into play?
I am not sure which device you are quoting from.
As Ruslan has not shown any scope shot showing 2MHz.
But, he has shown a 1.5KHz scope shot.
I am referring the TopRuslan 7 device.
That we had built some years ago.
NickZ
isn't 1.5khz a bit low for a yoke thats designed for 15 khz That Sergey chap used 15khz and 1.5mhz it's on his circuit diagram.
AG: You are correct, it is 15KHz, instead. Thanks for catching the frequency typo error.
It has been corrected.
NickZ
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 02, 2023, 12:15:30 PM
isn't 1.5khz a bit low for a yoke thats designed for 15 khz That Sergey chap used 15khz and 1.5mhz it's on his circuit diagram.
In vid below he talks about 1/4 wave and resonance at 2Mhz at wirelengrg 37.5meter.
https://youtu.be/CKyV-yA6KMs
Here he is showing his kacher frequency w/o antenna so no load attached to secundairy and it resonates at 3.16Mhz.
Its quit obvisious that Ruslan also used fishwire between his secondary.
Also a nice explanation about tuning the 2SC5200
https://youtu.be/kHdHhXFyRac
In this short vid Ruslan explains the inductor setup and how it creates a puls in our grenade.
https://youtu.be/X8XmF4_Sb9k
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 01:33:16 PM
Here he is showing his kacher frequency w/o antenna so no load attached to secundairy and it resonates at 3.16Mhz.
Its quit obvisious that Ruslan also used fishwire between his secondary.
Also a nice explanation about tuning the 2SC5200
https://youtu.be/kHdHhXFyRac (https://youtu.be/kHdHhXFyRac)
the
Yes, that is also my Kacher frequency, if I disconnect the ferrite rod and it's opposite wound coils, along with the antenna coil.Otherwise my running Kacher frequency is tuned to around 1MHz, or so. I do have the same Kacher circuit replication as he is showing there. Same grenade, as well.
Quote from: NickZ on April 02, 2023, 02:22:11 PM
the
Yes, that is also my Kacher frequency, if I disconnect the ferrite rod and it's opposite wound coils, along with the antenna coil.Otherwise my running Kacher frequency is tuned to around 1MHz, or so. I do have the same Kacher circuit replication as he is showing there. Same grenade, as well.
Ok
But looking at his coil length ( unfortunately all is taped) .. it seems a long coil for 37.5meter ( 0.5mm wire).
Seems almost 20cm total
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 01:05:40 PM
In vid below he talks about 1/4 wave and resonance at 2Mhz at wirelengrg 37.5meter.
https://youtu.be/CKyV-yA6KMs (https://youtu.be/CKyV-yA6KMs)
Ruslan talks about it, but does not show the grenade coil free running best at any frequency. Nor the 2KHz frequency. Nor, the supposed 2MHz Kacher frequency, in that early video.
NickZ
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 01:48:38 PM
In this short vid Ruslan explains the inductor setup and how it creates a puls in our grenade.
https://youtu.be/X8XmF4_Sb9k (https://youtu.be/X8XmF4_Sb9k)
On Ruslan's diagram he leaves out the yoke's 3 turn coil circuit entirely. There is 50 amps of current sloshing around in there. That is what the Kacher HF HV pulse hits on.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on April 02, 2023, 03:32:49 PM
On Ruslan's diagram he leaves out the yoke's 3 turn coil circuit entirely. There is 50 amps of current sloshing around in there. That is what the Kacher HF HV pulse hits on.
NickZ
But the coil he uses is the inductorcoil... only with parallel cap to tune the pulsduration 250ns.. which he drafted as a transmission line.
The 3T drawing is not used.
This could be his unipolair puls system.
Another remarkable quote Ruslan said at the moment he draws the wire AB connected to the bulb.
Pulsing inductorcoil has to be at same moment as kacher primairy.
This is also an item what is not been considered and /or implemented by the gang.
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 04:37:03 PM
But the coil he uses is the inductorcoil... only with parallel cap to tune the pulsduration 250ns.. which he drafted as a transmission line.
The 3T drawing is not used.
This could be his unipolair puls system.
Ape: Could be, I don't know, but he is not showing it self running with any of those important changes that he is making. Such as not using the 3 turns yoke coil, and using the 28 t coil instead. So....
I doubt it. NickZ
Quote from: apecore on April 02, 2023, 04:37:03 PM
pulsduration 250ns.. YES
transmission line. YES
Pulsing inductorcoil has to be at same moment as kacher primairy. YES
You are on it apecore. Keep going.
All we have to do is think for a moment. What happens when
you push a square wave through a transformer...?
It's the change in current per unit of time that jumps over from
primary to secondary. There is no change at the flat tops or the
flat bottoms. The only change occurs during the transition--rise/fall.
That's when the EMF develops in the secondary. Do you see why
I'm saying the low frequency from the push-pull isn't critical?
What is critical is the rise/fall time, like 250ns which is exactly
one half of the 2MHz Tesla frequency.
You are mixing two things here, inside a transmission line, which
is your reactor. To get them to mix properly, you have to get the
two events aligned and everything has to fit within the wavelength
of the reactor.
When Ruslan was talking about Akula's system, he stated it is an
atomic reaction of sorts and that the Tesla coil is pushing longitudinally
and the push-pull was transverse. So you are mixing two different
types of waves, but you still end up with a standing wave that
persists within the reactor if everything remains aligned. And since
the standing wave persists, the next interval has to hit right on
time or we subtract from the standing wave instead of add to it.
Here I'm thinking we only activate the Tesla coil on rising edges
of the push-pull; never on falling edges. And to me, sending
the Tesla pulses in packs would indicate we can juice-up the
energy delivered by the push-pull, multiple cycles within the
reactor. It is almost like some form of energy conversion taking
place and once it's complete, we can stop the Tesla until the next
major cycle of the push-pull.
The purpose of the Kacher is to stop, or interfere with the push pull pulse signal, not the other way around. Nor to add anything to it. But to impead the magnetic push pull signal, at just the right times.
This is a Tesla impulse technology. Not at all an "atomic reactor". Nor would Tesla agree with that supposition.
According to Stalker, the Kacher pulse needs to fall on the OFF times, or negative periods of the push pull signal, not on the ON or riseing period. He is showing a scope shot of what that looks like. I'm just repeating what was said. I don't know, as yet.
Working on it, still.
NickZ
It all sounds cofusing to me cant you draw a pic of the super emposed wave form of just photo it and stick it on the thread so we can all follow ?
that would be nice :)
AG:
I have done that, several times now. If your memory serves you well. Once I replace my failing PC power supply, I'll be glad to post another view of that scope shot.
NickZ
Maybe what is needed at this point is a suitable micro controller
to direct the Tesla and push-pull so we can fiddle with how the
signals need to be by just loading some fresh code into the controller.
Keep the simple driver electronics and scrap all the rest of the
logic boards.
I can probably come up with something if anyone is interested.
I really didn't want to go down this road because I figured by
now everyone agreed upon what the signals need to look like
and how everything should be wired together.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 11:14:24 PM
Maybe what is needed at this point is a suitable micro controller
to direct the Tesla and push-pull so we can fiddle with how the
signals need to be by just loading some fresh code into the controller.
Keep the simple driver electronics and scrap all the rest of the
logic boards.
I can probably come up with something if anyone is interested.
I really didn't want to go down this road because I figured by
now everyone agreed upon what the signals need to look like
and how everything should be wired together.
Probably it would be a better solution for adjusting.
Only code instead of changing logics again
Personal I have no experience in coding Ruslan setups.
But I guess it wil be a easy forward concept.
Lets do it.
Atomic reactor with fishwire.
Nice gun you have there. At what frequency does it resonate?
Maxolous
Quote from: maxolous on April 03, 2023, 04:54:01 AM
Nice gun you have there. At what frequency does it resonate?
AI have posted all specs last week... just read the thread for a vew pages
Maxolous
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 07:17:44 PM
You are on it apecore. Keep going.
All we have to do is think for a moment. What happens when
you push a square wave through a transformer...?
It's the change in current per unit of time that jumps over from
primary to secondary. There is no change at the flat tops or the
flat bottoms. The only change occurs during the transition--rise/fall.
That's when the EMF develops in the secondary. Do you see why
I'm saying the low frequency from the push-pull isn't critical?
What is critical is the rise/fall time, like 250ns which is exactly
one half of the 2MHz Tesla frequency.
You are mixing two things here, inside a transmission line, which
is your reactor. To get them to mix properly, you have to get the
two events aligned and everything has to fit within the wavelength
of the reactor.
And since the standing wave persists, the next interval has to hit right on
time or we subtract from the standing wave instead of add to it.
Here I'm thinking we only activate the Tesla coil on rising edges
of the push-pull; never on falling edges. And to me, sending
the Tesla pulses in packs would indicate we can juice-up the
energy delivered by the push-pull, multiple cycles within the
reactor. It is almost like some form of energy conversion taking
place and once it's complete, we can stop the Tesla until the next
major cycle of the push-pull.
Dog-one,
I think you clearly summarised the mode of operation based on what we ve been speculating about after seeing this vid from R.
I will try to fire it up today in the most original way possible.
Using the 2sc5200 circuit and normal pushpull setup with adjustable frequency and duty cycle.
Output load i will use a heat element
If you need some figures regarding your microcontroller proposal please let me know.
Most important is to tune kacher @ 2Mhz first and after that foccus on parallel cap inductor to make those rise and fall edges.
Indeed your right, PP frequency is not critical only sychronisation.
I can imagine we stick to the pll board for kacher or are you thinking to intregrate that also in the code?
But ok, thats for later first get it running and see which parameters come into code first.
If you going to use a micro arn't you going to get emp problems corrupting code or and distroying the code or the chip, and how will you code it if it's still just guess work.
Re the push pull gates the active on and off time of the modulation.
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 04:43:22 AM
Atomic reactor with fishwire.
Looks top notch apecore.
Is the plan to tune for 2MHz with antenna or coax installed?
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 03, 2023, 06:00:01 AM
If you going to use a micro arn't you going to get emp problems corrupting code or and distroying the code or the chip, and how will you code it if it's still just guess work.
Re the push pull gates the active on and off time of the modulation.
The controller would be just as hardened as any other integrated
circuit we use. To keep it stable we can put it behind a some high
speed isolators and a tiny DC2DC brick. It should run fine unless
you have three inch arcs jumping out of your Tesla coil.
My idea is to output three cyclic bitstreams: Two for the push-pull
and one for the Tesla coil. You just load in the pattern you want
prior to energizing it and let it run. We can use an internal crystal
clock or input an external PLL clock, whichever way you want to go.
I think I can get resolution somewhere between 15 and 25 nanoseconds.
If we need better than that, I'll have to look for something more
exotic. This is my preferred controller of choice (https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/evaluation-boards/cy8ckit-059/), but it looks to be no
longer available, so I'll have to keep looking...
Quote from: Dog-One on April 03, 2023, 11:27:18 AM
Looks top notch apecore.
Is the plan to tune for 2MHz with antenna or coax installed?
To answer your first question i added a picture.
Duplicated Ruslans coils matched primary and antenna with wirelength.
I will later upload a schematic, with suggestion for measurements ( inpits)
Idea is to start as basic as possible.. no pll only 2sc5200 and regular PP
We need to think about a feedback loop which measures gain at load and or ground..
" hidden progress"
Quote from: Dog-One on April 02, 2023, 11:23:50 AM
At 1.4MHz now, I'd bet if half of your coil had some spacing, you
would bring the frequency up pretty close to 2 MHz.
I' ve must have mistaken in assuming it did 1.4Mhz in 1.0mm copper.
The 0.5mm version with 0.25mm pitch is with 37.5meter connected to the antenna running at 1.14Mhz
If we need to keep hold on the 37.5meter wirelength for secundairy i have to split the coil in 2.
Ape:
The 1.14MHz may be a good starting point.I would check the Akula self runner and compare his Tesla secondary coil in length, also.I had to make a salad out of my Kacher's secondary coil, adding or removing turns to tune it, and finally obtained up to 1 cm streamers, 10.000 volt. But I think that 1/2 that voltage is enough.Remember once the Kacher is on and working, there will be HV everywhere, (microcontrolers...), PP circuit, etc.
I found that putting a diode on the ground line, turns it to smoke. Even two or three of them. You may have different results.
Grolsch, my favorite...
You can see my current transformer to tune the output of the Kacher to the induction circuits with, next to the red WIMA capacitor.The toroid with some wire turns on it and a resistor on it, also.
NickZ
NickZ,
I' m not trying to replicate again an regular type of setup as I did years ago.
Now I' m gonna try a different roadmap.
Even thinking to eliminate the yoke as it is not possible to get those narrow unipolair pulses of max 250ns at inductor coil.
The idea is also as Dog- one is explaining to get a standingwave in grenade @2Mhz .. by kacher and by hammering it at a lower frequency with a half wave 2Mhz positive puls.
Current from kacher should flow in at the high d(v)/d(t) timing.... displacement current ( like charging a cap)
So forget about inductorloop,... lower kacher frequency...
Short update results inductor pulsing till now.
Hooked it up as attached (1st attempt)
Inductor pulsing, see attached schematic Ruslan...with inductor 18.75m(3 layers) pulsing it with 12 to 50V i burned a mosfet protection..( overvoltage drain-source)
The puls was 600ns by increasing the puls voltage smoke appeared ... so i disconected pushpull and yoke and start to use single mosfet high side negative voltage switching directly at the inductor (diode's and cap to recycle half wave for unipolair result installed)....
2nd attempt gave max 400ns only with 12.5m inductor....two layer type. In 20- 50khz range.
My conclusion is that the only option is to get narrow puls is to lower the wirelength in order to decrease induction.
No 250ns with regular inductor config.
But i still need to ad the yoke again..... need to make some scopeshots and do some readings what happent. Imagine some oscilations were occuring?
Next time single puls and probe?
Maybe we have to try in push or pull mode.... one bang ... we can choose which one.
Conclusion, Ruslan may had some ideas but reality was else. Now how can we make it work?
I will install old kacher secundairy again so to have that part working...... how to deal with the new secundairy.. maybe thicker fishwire?
Tomorrow i continue and will repeate the 1st attempt testing.
Food for thought,. when no options left i consider to make grenade with 1Mhz Fres.
All issues wil disapear, ...mayor change is that we dont have a low inductance grenade at 1Mhz.
But was Ruslan's grenade not 240uH?
Ape:
I understand. As I saw the Top Ruslan thread, I jumped right in, sorry about that. And, good luck with your new "road map".
But, as I really am interested in continuing to unravel this project, I will butt out, for now. Seams like the more I post, the worse it gets.. If you change your mind, or get tired of the wild goose chase, let me know.
NickZ
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
I will install old kacher secundairy again so to have that part working...... how to deal with the new secundairy.. maybe thicker fishwire?
At what frequency does your kacher secondary resonate.
Have you thought about that.
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
Tomorrow i continue and will repeate the 1st attempt testing.
Food for thought,. when no options left i consider to make grenade with 1Mhz Fres.
A grenade of 1mhz might be on a low side buddy
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
All issues wil disapear, ...mayor change is that we dont have a low inductance grenade at 1Mhz.
But was Ruslan's grenade not 240uH?
Yeah! You are right , the less the inductance, the higher the res freq.
Maxolous
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
Short update results inductor pulsing till now.
Hooked it up as attached (1st attempt)
Inductor pulsing, see attached schematic Ruslan...with inductor 18.75m(3 layers) pulsing it with 12 to 50V i burned a mosfet protection..
Have you considered at what duty cycle your pp was operating. Your cct. for your pp should have ability to vary duty cycle anyhow. If you give a 40% duty cycle at that volts and considering the numbers of turns you have on yoke as indicated above, you will fry more components.
Maxolous
Quote from: apecore on April 03, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
Conclusion, Ruslan may had some ideas but reality was else. Now how can we make it work?
Rough day apecore. It happens.
I was looking again at this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYcT6ypixrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYcT6ypixrY)
No ground wire, no Tesla coil; no grenade coil, but it still produces
some power. A known hoax? Was Akula's original version also?
I tend to think Akula found something. And Ruslan followed the
procedure well enough to replicate it.
You throw the switch and jam current into an inductor at the exact
same time you snap a powerful electric field via capacitance into
that same inductor and something happens. Voltage and current
gets multiplied. Timing has to be spot on and we have components
that can do it.
I don't know if 250ns is critical or not, but I have to imagine
faster is better which is why larger, more powerful units are more
difficult to get working. Personally, I am okay with that. If we
have to scale out instead of scale up, that works too. Priority
is to get the effect to occur, consistently and under our control.
We get that far and understand what is necessary and what our
boundaries are, then we can tinker with the concept however
much we want.
Some have to believe it before they can see it and others have
to see it before they believe it. For me, I have to do it before
I can accept it.
Forgot to mention...
On the microcontroller research, I think the little Raspberry Pi Pico (https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico/)
with the RP2040 chip can do what we need. It has built in
Programmable I/O (PIO) logic that would allow us to stream output
signals at half the system clock frequency which is 133MHz. So I
think we can squeeze out signal resolution around 15ns. It has an
onboard crystal oscillator so the signal would be at least as stable
as what is in our oscilloscopes. Also, this microcontroller seems
to be quite popular at the moment in Europe and should be
available worldwide. Plus it's fairly inexpensive and easy to use
for this task or any other you might dedicate it to later on.
Quote from: maxolous on April 04, 2023, 12:43:10 AM
At what frequency does your kacher secondary resonate.
Have you thought about that.
A grenade of 1mhz might be on a low side buddy
Yeah! You are right , the less the inductance, the higher the res freq.
Maxolous
Everything runs at 2Mhz the moment... Fres kacher and grenade
Quote from: Dog-One on April 04, 2023, 03:42:56 AM
Forgot to mention...
On the microcontroller research, I think the little Raspberry Pi Pico (https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico/)
with the RP2040 chip can do what we need.
Yes that will do the job.
I m fine with it.
Today is my lucky day
Quote from: NickZ on April 03, 2023, 08:55:30 PM
Ape:
I understand. As I saw the Top Ruslan thread, I jumped right in, sorry about that. And, good luck with your new "road map".
But, as I really am interested in continuing to unravel this project, I will butt out, for now. Seams like the more I post, the worse it gets.. If you change your mind, or get tired of the wild goose chase, let me know.
NickZ
NickZ,
No problem mostly i' m stunnend about your memory.
Much informative for newbies as you have a good history in what happend.
Feel free to express what you think is relevant.
:)
Quote from: apecore on April 04, 2023, 06:33:01 AM
Today is my lucky day
Oh yeah, that looks encouraging!
Have my fingers crossed you begin to see something different
happening.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 04, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
Have my fingers crossed you begin to see something different happening.
Just got me a billion dollar contract, can't say anymore :D
Just kiddn,
Seems I was a bit to early to take Ruslan's schematic in discredit.
Cap size isn't so critical.
Frequency and duty cycle does.
Single leg pulsing yoke pushpull and using 28T with parallel cap 470nF....
The bemf puls Looks like 4Mhz half wave it does not matter if inductorcoil is 12.5m or 18.75m long.
So this bemf puls comes from grenade.
Quote from: apecore on April 04, 2023, 11:30:17 AM
Single leg pulsing yoke pushpull and using 28T with parallel cap 470nF....
The bemf puls Looks like 4Mhz half wave it does not matter if inductorcoil is 12.5m or 18.75m long.
Earlier scopeshot was measured @ Drain moefet so that isn' t at inductor coil.
Below picture does , not using yoke. Just highside switching inductor coil with negative supply voltage.
The blue trace is grenade output voltage at load heaterelement 240ohm.
So is there magic?
Very Interesting thread - some great work fellas!
Briefly - looked at the Ruslan device a while back. Just a quick observation and comment:
- the processor timing is key (as you've already discovered) as is the uP pseudo PLL (tracking);
component values can change (temperature, etc.) and the required system "Q" is quite high;
- note, there are advantages to using an STM32 ARM series devices since they can perform
timing, pseudo PLL, etc. functions directly from the internal registers (independant of the
other CPU functions); this allows quick, solid performance.
Here's a link to a page with a bit of 'overview' information, if your interested:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999)
That's it - I'll leave you all to it! Good luck!
SL
I did the same test with the other 2.0Mhz grenade which has only 12.5m inductor wirelength.
Here we see a shorter puls going into the grenade.
Pink= inductor
Blue= grenade
I will also do a test with the 9.375m inductor and additional a high inductance grenade also.
Ape, Dog, Nick, Alien, & Max your excellent contributions here are noticed and appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to post what you know, especially these oscilloscope shots.
Apecore, I have the oscilloscope, materials, and desire to build my first Kap-style apparatus. I follow your channel. The past weeks I have been keeping up hourly with your discussion and progress.
Is there anything I can do on my end that can aid with the research and data being presented in this thread?
I am happy to present my own data in this thread of the device I build for further analysis and data points. It seems you are on the cusp of a nice breakthrough of understanding. Do you feel that now is a good time to begin my build, or would it be more worthwhile for all involved if I hold off and wait for another couple weeks to build while you and the team continue progressing your discoveries further?
Any and all suggestions welcome. Wonderful progress, y'all!
Keep up the good work!
Quote from: ovun987 on April 04, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
Ape, Dog, Nick, Alien, & Max your excellent contributions here are noticed and appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to post what you know, especially these oscilloscope shots.
Apecore, I have the oscilloscope, materials, and desire to build my first Kap-style apparatus. I follow your channel. The past weeks I have been keeping up hourly with your discussion and progress.
Is there anything I can do on my end that can aid with the research and data being presented in this thread?
I am happy to present my own data in this thread of the device I build for further analysis and data points. It seems you are on the cusp of a nice breakthrough of understanding. Do you feel that now is a good time to begin my build, or would it be more worthwhile for all involved if I hold off and wait for another couple weeks to build while you and the team continue progressing your discoveries further?
Any and all suggestions welcome. Wonderful progress, y'all!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot always good to have more people who are actively involved.
As you noticed, I m a bit of track in the normal approach.
So if you want to start building I would advice you to start winding a grenade and kacher.
Build some usable electronic boards... like brovin kacher system, mosfet puls board etc. In order to tune and or run a system.
Let me know what configuration you' d like to built
Quote from: apecore on April 04, 2023, 05:40:52 PM
Thanks a lot always good to have more people who are actively involved.
As you noticed, I m a bit of track in the normal approach.
So if you want to start building I would advice you to start winding a grenade and kacher.
Build some usable electronic boards... like brovin kacher system, mosfet puls board etc. In order to tune and or run a system.
Yes, Kacher and Grenade is what I'd like to first wind. My knowledge on Kap goes back not nearly as far as y'all who are actively involved although I've done my due diligence and amassed ample research and have rudimentary understanding.
Why aim for 8MHz/37.5m? Is there a reason for 8MHz/37.5m other than easy 1/4 wave and 1/2 wave division?
Your methodology appeals to me, Ape. Solid documentation of real-world ascertained numbers. It seems your track is right on track!
Quote from: apecore on April 04, 2023, 05:40:52 PMLet me know what configuration you' d like to built
What configuration do you suggest building first?
Hello my gentlemen's,
This year will surely pop some good news in FE alike device, all you geeks on loose are packed with sauce ;)
Wish you all the very best success and good luck.
Meanwhile, ruslan up's old-new video Генератор Edward Dally 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwlmLiXzKqo
Regards
So after many tests with inductorcoil I want to rap_up the results.
For good understanding specially to the new people here is that I m trying to get the whole system @ 2.0Mhz.
1/4 wave 2.0Mhz.
When you use a lower frequency you have to adjust the groundline length.... comparingbwith wavelength total.
We want to mix two wave signals into the grenade.
The 1 billion question is " how"
Dog-one has given a good description regarding impuls effect and how we assume kacher energy pours in.
The shown devices online all use magnetic field by inductorloop, this concept I don't do here.... maybe when this impuls story comes to a deadend.
So back to the bench,..
Creating sharp pulses peneterating grenade can only be done by switching the inductor to ground.
Not in Ruslan vid schematic.
Switching inductor with negative voltage gave the 1kV positive puls with 380 - 1000ns duration. (Depending on induction value inductor)
Each inductor version 9.375 or 12.5m versions required a different puls frequency.... 24- 30 khz for max Vpiek.
So now comes the question for Dog,
We have a rise and fall time of 100V/ns... with f.i. 500ns delay beteeen both.
We can trigger one kacher cycle.
Crucial is to synchronise both mosfets ( kacher and impuls) as narrow as possible.
I think I purchase the Raspberry today :)
Then we have the negative wave from kacher.... ot needs to be draind to ground....this subject is important...
Does a drain attempt with a diode trough the groundline effect us somewhere?
Probably impuls voltage needs to be higher.
So what should be the best way forward to do first?
Personally I bet synchronisation first
Quote from: apecore on April 05, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
So after many tests with inductorcoil I want to rap_up the results.
For good understanding specially to the new people here is that I m trying to get the whole system @ 2.0Mhz.
1/4 wave 2.0Mhz.
When you use a lower frequency you have to adjust the groundline length.... comparing with wavelength total.
We want to mix two wave signals into the grenade.
The 1 billion question is "how"
Where is this 8Mhz coming from that we are basing many these prototypes on?
Is this referenced elsewhere, or is 8Mhz an arbitrary number?
Ovun;
Your asking about the 8mhz well if the wave length is 37.5mtrs then the if the speed of light is 300, million miles
per second and you have a piece wire that's 35mtrs long then it takes a frequency of approx 8.57 mhz to bring it into resonance, you do know what resonance is.
Also the grenade has 4 sections in length each section is about 2mhz each to tune a 2mhz wave in each one,
I would presume. look up P Reva if you want to know more on you tube (HYiQ)
Sil
Quote from: apecore on April 05, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
So now comes the question for Dog,
We have a rise and fall time of 100V/ns... with f.i. 500ns delay beteeen both.
We can trigger one kacher cycle.
Crucial is to synchronise both mosfets ( kacher and impuls) as narrow as possible.
I think I purchase the Raspberry today :)
Personally I bet synchronisation first
I have an order put together as well and can fund it here shortly--
being on a fixed income now is a bugger.
I think synchronization needs to be solved, then we can at least
have a controlled platform to conduct some meaningful tests and
hopefully find the magic sauce. Once I get the parts on my bench
I can code something up to generate a structured bitstream that
will fire off events with the best precision I can squeeze out of
these little microcontrollers. I did look at what SL presented and
it does indeed do PWM real well, but that's not quite what we are
after here, plus there will be a longer learning curve to get results.
Rise/fall times are a signature of impedance and I want to draw
your attention to something I think is important, at least it was
for Akula. Below is a snippet of Akula's 30 Watt Lantern schema.
I circled the areas where it's clear he was carefully tuning this
device. The most critical area is in red. This is a RC time constant
with a diode so that it only operates in one direction. If you notice
when VT1 is off, both L1 & L2 have a positive charge and the screen
inside which is acting as a capacitor plate is grounded. Again,
I stress we are looking at something more than a transformer,
transmission line. We are looking at a reactor of some sorts.
Same thing with the grenade coil, only it has no magnetic core,
making it simpler in some respects and more complicated in
others. For the lantern, flyback is being redistributed creating
some sort of electron void, which gets filled from the ground,
in this case from the air or wherever free electrons can be
gathered. That diode along with R2 and C4 make it possible.
You'll also notice there is a one to three turns ratio among the
reactor which clearly alters the impedance unlike a typical
boost/buck converter.
Anyway, there is a lot going on in that circuit and knowing
what to look for can go a long way towards getting the higher
power units running. So first we get the events to happen
when they should, then we see how those events interact.
With a little intuition, maybe we can get the components to
respond how we like.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 05, 2023, 08:59:56 PM
I think synchronization needs to be solved, then we can at least
have a controlled platform to conduct some meaningful tests and
hopefully find the magic sauce. Once I get the parts on my bench
I can code something up to generate a structured bitstream that
will fire off events with the best precision I can squeeze out of
these little microcontrollers.
please let me know what parts you by from Raspberry so I can purschase the same
Rise/fall times are a signature of impedance and I want to draw your attention to something I think is important, at least it was for Akula.
I circled the areas where it's clear he was carefully tuning this device. The most critical area is in red. This is a RC time constant
with a diode so that it only operates in one direction. If you notice
when VT1 is off, both L1 & L2 have a positive charge and the screen
inside which is acting as a capacitor plate is grounded. Again,
I stress we are looking at something more than a transformer,
transmission line. We are looking at a reactor of some sorts.
Same thing with the grenade coil, only it has no magnetic core,
making it simpler in some respects and more complicated in
others. For the lantern, flyback is being redistributed creating
some sort of electron void, which gets filled from the ground,
in this case from the air or wherever free electrons can be
gathered. That diode along with R2 and C4 make it possible.
You'll also notice there is a one to three turns ratio among the
reactor which clearly alters the impedance unlike a typical
boost/buck converter.
Good observation, I missed this circuit from Akula.
I will try and connect grenade/ inductor in same order with those timing and diode components. And see what happens
I can remember making this device, that secondary winding once that switch was closed, it made a stalling noise and drew
loads of current no mater what was done it went on for months I recovered the components and dumped the PCB board.
Sil
The contraption we are building is all about Tesla as I have said and demonstrated in a video too.
Watch Vamus 2017 video posted by Ruslan today
https://youtu.be/osIqJIum_3Y
If am asked where to start from, I would advice; haven wound your grenade coil concentrate on Tesla.
A well established Tesla is very, very necessary.
https://youtu.be/9ALwYvLOoMU
Maxolous
I have a question which would maybe a stupid question but thinking about transmissionlines and bring the understandings of our grenade principles closer.
When a piece of wire has no inductance, what would be the resonance frequency?
I guess theoretical there wont be a resonance.
As it is not possible to create zero inductance... there will always be high frequencies resonating, but low amplitude.
So what do I see on my scope as " resonance frequency" indication...
Is it the wavelength regarding the wirelength bouncing and its subharmonics?
So if I' m correct,... what is an ideal grenade?
A piece of wire with zero inductance.
Has capacitance to the nearfield and its componants
Is it a one plate capacitor?
Quote from: maxolous on April 06, 2023, 11:58:25 AM
The contraption we are building is all about Tesla as I have said and demonstrated in a video too.
https://youtu.be/9ALwYvLOoMU
maxolous,
Do you have a working self runner you can demonstrate?
If not, why not?
If so, would you be willing to send it to me to test for two weeks?
I'll pay for all the shipping.
Quote from: apecore on April 06, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
I have a question which would maybe a stupid question but thinking about transmissionlines and bring the understandings of our grenade principles closer.
When a piece of wire has no inductance, what would be the resonance frequency?
The resonance frequency will be influenced by wire length L=c/f which will be high frequency
Quote from: apecore on April 06, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
So what do I see on my scope as " resonance frequency" indication...
Is it the wavelength regarding the wirelength bouncing and its subharmonics?
You have said it here.
Quote from: apecore on April 06, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
So if I' m correct,... what is an ideal grenade?
An ideal grenade was demonstrated by Late Don Smith: in his video, he picked up a piece of wire folded it into two halves and wound it on his forehand;
Quote from: apecore on April 06, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
A piece of wire with zero inductance.
Has capacitance to the nearfield and its componants
Yeah!
Quote from: apecore on April 06, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
Is it a one plate capacitor?
I believe it has two plates
Maxolous
Quote from: Dog-One on April 06, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
maxolous,
Do you have a working self runner you can demonstrate?
If not, why not?
If so, would you be willing to send it to me to test for two weeks?
I'll pay for all the shipping.
You already have all info here.
Maxolous
Quote from: Dog-One on April 06, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
maxolous,
Do you have a working self runner you can demonstrate?
If not, why not?
If so, would you be willing to send it to me to test for two weeks?
I'll pay for all the shipping.
Hey Dog-One,
If your looking for a project to test try this one; I know it's not TopRuslan but it might be FE!
Ran into this on Youtube a while back and it reminded me of the HHO Stanly Meyer hoopla a while back.
The
Forbidden WATER ENGINE is REAL | We created an engine that runs on hydrogen
by The Liberty Engine Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacLgrqRdyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacLgrqRdyk)
At: 00:05 it appears the Generator is 3000W,
At: 13:43 a 20A in-line fuse is inserted between the 12VDC (~13.5VDC) Battery and the HHO Cell, medium gauge wire,
( 13VDC x 20A = 260W - the Generator is 3000W ). With a light load the generator doesn't appear
to labour. Most of these have a 12V battery charger built in as well.
At: 16:11 he half-blocks the air intake (cardboard in filter housing).
At: 16:25 the "secret HH+" is added to reactor chamber (whole house filter assembly with SS electrodes).
Also, the ICE has an electric start.
BTW, we've all seen plenty of these "self runner HHO ICE Generators" during the Stan Meyer craze! They used
to have a few of these running at the HHO get togethers a few years back. Also quite nice since they don't
output CO - you can use them indoors if you can handle the noise!
But, I can't remember which "Secret HH+" worked the best (Baking Soda or ?) ; could always look it up however.
Or, maybe these are/were all just Fakes? Never bothered to build and test one, but maybe I should, aye. Then I
can report back here and argue a bit about the fake part. :)
Thanks in advance... And if it doesn't work you can always return it to the Generator store as long as you don't
modify it before testing.
SL
Quote from: maxolous on April 06, 2023, 11:34:16 PM
You already have all info here.
My apologies. Based on what I see here:
https://www.youtube.com/@maxolous4050/videos
You have made serious progress. Let me go back and reread
your posts. Hopefully I can see what was missed.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 07, 2023, 05:24:12 AM
My apologies. Based on what I see here:
https://www.youtube.com/@maxolous4050/videos
You have made serious progress. Let me go back and reread
your posts. Hopefully I can see what was missed.
More of the info, you will find in OUR
Maxolous
Hey Dog-One,
Just in case you decide to take on the project mentioned above, here's some good info
to get you orientated before starting:
A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build (mostly from back in the Meyer hayday)
- Build Your Own Hydrogen Generator
- Run Your Car On Tap Water Free!
- Run Your Car on Hydrogen, Free
https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=927
Energy News ?
(some good [old] info articles, but also some really stupid crap - not news IMHO )
HOME: https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/
It is kinda fun to look back once in a while however - we've come a long ways!
Sorry for the 'sort of' OT interuption - I'll get lost now!
Regards, - have a great weekend and Easter!
SL
DogOne mentioned
Grid lines or lay lines ( reasons for device not working once shipped ?)
Here a vid which I find absolutely remarkable... it happens those lines are mentioned at 45:min mark
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtcl25G0ic (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtcl25G0ic)
Also
Maxolous referenced a site with more info related to topic here
Just search M's posts
https://www.overunityresearch.com/ (https://www.overunityresearch.com/) ( another open source venue..for new readers unaware )
We need to understand this ....ASAP
Respectfully
Chet K
Likely unrelated, but the lights after 48:00 remind me of minimum surface shapes. As if a few node points needed to be convered by a tight stretchy sheet that shrinks to minimum size to end up thick as possible.
Quote from: ramset on April 08, 2023, 10:22:07 AM
Here a vid which I find absolutely remarkable... it happens those lines are mentioned at 45:min mark
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtcl25G0ic (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtcl25G0ic)
We need to understand this ....ASAP
Respectfully
Chet K
Dear Chet.
Object from the video is analyzed with use of digital zoom.
Original footage was taken at given resolution. It means certain number of pixels in X,Y 2D chip of the camera.
At the certain zoom you can see object of interest across few square pixels.
given color can't occupy less than a pixel.
So if e.g pink color of higher intensity smaller than 1 pixel is detected than shape of the pixel gives it a shape.
Video has many
false assumptions.In minute 42 property of mechanical longitudinal wave is presented.
The geometrical pattern is quite well explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics)
-(example of false assumption)In minute 44:36 mechanical phenomena belonging to classical physics are
implied to light that belongs to - quantum physics
having nothing to do with classical mechanics.
"Grid like structure" is pixelation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelation).
IN 44:46 it is shown normal pixel size, zoomed in 44:56
and in 45 minute you see in slow motion : shutter speed and frame per second effect called motion blur .
https://youtu.be/Hiivc6Bdnp4?t=36 (https://youtu.be/Hiivc6Bdnp4?t=36)
When you look at it in zoom to the few pixels -you'll have the same effect. https://youtu.be/uqgKQgzX7Sg?t=54 (https://youtu.be/uqgKQgzX7Sg?t=54)
https://youtu.be/QdgxEk5BJPI?t=191 (https://youtu.be/QdgxEk5BJPI?t=191)
few minutes later you'll see quantum ghost imaging too.
Fatamorgana is very often seen when filming too https://www.bing.comhttps (https://www.bing.comhttps)://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fata_Morgana_(mirage)
Average Joe would rather watch not science but this: https://youtu.be/JfKYCuE7tCk?t=158 (https://youtu.be/JfKYCuE7tCk?t=158)In this video you see " shape " of rectangular box created by motion blur where part of the same information reminds in pixels of different time,
https://youtu.be/nqpBEPR8sfA?t=19 (https://youtu.be/nqpBEPR8sfA?t=19)
Here is an answer but how can I convince a believer that his beliefs are wrong?
https://youtu.be/QdgxEk5BJPI?t=426 (https://youtu.be/QdgxEk5BJPI?t=426)
When flying object with two lights changes and angle of flying - (direction of vector of motion)
and size of light is smaller than 1 pixel than two lights may be seen as something that is jointly bigger than pixel.
Temperature of that lights in lumens is interpreted based on its relation to shooter speed, frame per second and angle.
-than side reflections from the fuselage or clouds while helicopter is turning can produce in slow motion ghost image.
Motion Blurred Face (Long Exposure) is often used in photography.
Possibly everyone of you experienced taking a picture while your hands holding camera are shaking and time of exposure
needs longer time in fix position.
My personal opinion :
It was likely a helicopter changing angle of direction and long pixels quickly changing length shrinking is the result of
changing speed of an object in given vector. Camera viewed lights at different angle.
Not all people are "magicians" some of them are just not much into physics..
Wesley
Picture below: https://youtu.be/FJtcl25G0ic?t=583 (https://youtu.be/FJtcl25G0ic?t=583)
minute 9:46
Both of pointed light sources look the same in this filter.
But she didn't use it to analyze typical easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent light source
on the earth (or better if in motion)as all her "study" would not look good I assume..
Please look also at
flickering of the lights on the ground- these lights don't flicker in real life - that directly support said by me
about motion blur and improperly set camera frame rates , shutter speed/ angle.
https://youtu.be/NLL6Wt-VvwU?t=101
(https://youtu.be/NLL6Wt-VvwU?t=101)
F-stop is also important making very small light looking
huge -overexposed
https://youtu.be/tK5FQdTr-fA?t=524 (https://youtu.be/tK5FQdTr-fA?t=524)
Ah Hum...
Getting back on topic here...
Does anyone know a method to determine the propagation delay
within a grenade coil?
First, does anyone know how to determine where the two ends of
a grenade coil are, when looking at this component as a transmission
line?
You know the speed of light 300,000,000 meters a second
you know the length of the wire, you need to know the capacitanc.
you can find the formula on the internet.
Sil
Dog-One,
Might be something here that can help you out:
https://gorchilin.com/articles/coil/combi?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/articles/coil/combi?lang=en)
https://gorchilin.com/articles/coil/magnetic_wave_resonance?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/articles/coil/magnetic_wave_resonance?lang=en)
On Line Calculations:
https://gorchilin.com/calculator/?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/calculator/?lang=en)
Simulation (Animation) of Standing Wave in Long Lines (you can change
the Harminics and Phases).
https://gorchilin.com/calculator/longline?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/calculator/longline?lang=en)
https://gorchilin.com/articles/efficiency2/?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/articles/efficiency2/?lang=en)
Somewhere on Gorchilin's site is an animate standing wave capture cartoon but I
don't recall where it is. You'll have to cruise a bit...
Hey, don't disregard the HHO Generator :) Much simpler to do!
SL
Quote from: Dog-One on April 08, 2023, 10:10:00 PM
Does anyone know a method to determine the propagation delay
within a grenade coil?
First, does anyone know how to determine where the two ends of
a grenade coil are, when looking at this component as a transmission
line?
velocity inhibiting circuit is presented here in regards to Power multiplication:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060190512A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060190512A1/en)
Propagation delay is small,
in a human scale, often measured in nanoseconds or picoseconds.
- important mainly in digital logic where p/n gate must stabilize before the next one
in the sequence can be read.
In resonant circuits made from any form of coil that factor is very much not important.
Quoteit is measured between the mid-points of the transition. Now if you define real propagation delay
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/328214/transition-time-rise-time-and-propagation-delay (https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/328214/transition-time-rise-time-and-propagation-delay)
These familiar with Russian language , and knowing Ruslan, and a lot about Ruslan - especially these replicating Ruslan device
likely no longer support him. Ruslan is absolutely
disappointing knowledge based but according to a guy I know, who made electronics for Ruslan:
QuoteRuslan did it , and I didn't knowing everything about electronics used by him
Ruslan refused my offer to go to Riga Latvia and examine his device so I can't say it is fake or is not. He was however promising me and bunch of Russians
a presentation with me physically present there, knowing that for him
I'm the opinion that makes money move especially along people who trust my expertise.
-and I will stay on the side after that , having no personal gain nor interest in mind. - unless convinced to participate after that,
- till now nobody was convincing enough.This discussion here as giving a lot of light on Tariel Kapanadze -the originator of the concept is absolutely
needed and educational.Grenade coil- is a form of CW, CCW left, right winding used by Tariel to achieve tremendously
lower primary resonance frequency of a coil that is
electrically
long - making it physically short.- means less wire used.
(normally the shorter is the coil the higher is its resonant frequency) But we want less winds and lower F of resonance.
This mechanism is presented here :
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf)
note: the wording in the patent may sound confusing to some you- if so than ask me a question please Yes this is : the same Dr James Corum.
Importance of that is because it explains why Tariel Kpanadze coil and than SR coil, and than Akula coil and than Ruslan coil is winded similar.
the main goal is to use as low as possible frequency at best 17kHz.
( and not lose on miles of huge resistance of wire affecting Q)- despite its X
L and coil X
Cthe closer you are to Schumann higher harmonics the lower are the losses in energy conversion from naturally available waveguide.
That what you all possibly don't think about is that that energy in Kapanadze devices had to originate somewhere and be converted
to electrical energy in his device.And that is why no one from you replicated it - apart from the few who prefer to stay silent.Quotethe total resistance of the coil (related to wire size and number of turns) must equal the internal resistance of the power source
for DC to give battery longer life: https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-many-turns-should-i-wind-on-a-coil.174331/ (https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-many-turns-should-i-wind-on-a-coil.174331/)
but the same applies to impedance match in AC circuits where standard is 50 OHm
Wesley
to work out freq to wave length is easy any duffer can do it, including me!
if light travels at 300 million miles a second and you wire length is 37.5 meters
then 3 x(10 to the eight) try a calculater = 8mhz so whats all the secrecy and erasing
formula about ?
also if you devide 1 second by 10 the 8 you will get 125x10-9
hardly light speed but logic micro might have a problem :-\
Sil
PS have you thought about solar ?
Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 08:11:43 AM
velocity inhibiting circuit is presented here in regards to Power multiplication:
This discussion here as giving a lot of light on Tariel Kapanadze -the originator of the concept is absolutely
needed and educational.Grenade coil- is a form of CW, CCW left, right winding used by Tariel to achieve tremendously
lower primary resonance frequency of a coil that is
electrically long - making it physically short.- means less wire used.
(normally the shorter is the coil the higher is its resonant frequency) But we want less winds and lower F of resonance.
Hi Wesley,
I want to short comment on your quote, neither I do misunderstand something about the grenade coil or we have a challenge.
Many times there is stated that the grenade coil should be low inductance, this results in higher resonance frequency.
As I stated before in this thread I ve wounded every possible grenade configuration as possible and I can garanty you you wil not find one running LOWER than 500khz.( correction made)
I am curious how these low frequency come in play?
Ape
Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 08:11:43 AM
velocity inhibiting circuit is presented here in regards to Power multiplication:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060190512A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060190512A1/en)
This discussion here as giving a lot of light on Tariel Kapanadze -the originator of the concept is absolutely
needed and educational.Grenade coil- is a form of CW, CCW left, right winding used by Tariel to achieve tremendously
lower primary resonance frequency of a coil that is electrically long - making it physically short.- means less wire used.
(normally the shorter is the coil the higher is its resonant frequency) But we want less winds and lower F of resonance.
This mechanism is presented here :
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf)
note: the wording in the patent may sound confusing to some you- if so than ask me a question please
Yes this is : the same Dr James Corum.
Importance of that is because it explains why Tariel Kpanadze coil and than SR coil, and than Akula coil and than Ruslan coil is winded similar.
the main goal is to use as low as possible frequency at best 17kHz. ( and not lose on miles of huge resistance of wire affecting Q)- despite its XL and coil XC
the closer you are to Schumann higher harmonics the lower are the losses in energy conversion from naturally available waveguide.
That what you all possibly don't think about is that that energy in Kapanadze devices had to originate somewhere and be converted to electrical energy in his device.
And that is why no one from you replicated it - apart from the few who prefer to stay silent.
for DC to give battery longer life: https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-many-turns-should-i-wind-on-a-coil.174331/ (https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/how-many-turns-should-i-wind-on-a-coil.174331/)
but the same applies to impedance match in AC circuits where standard is 50 OHm
Thank you Wesley for the valuable information. I was positive you
knew things that were vital for this project and you indeed confirmed
my suspicions. What I did not expect is for you to openly post the
relevant information so freely. Has something changed? As in this
information can no longer cause any harm regardless of how it is used?
Or based on your bolded statement, is there still one more vital piece of
information necessary? And if the latter is true, can you at least
provide a hint as to where to look for this unacknowledged energy
source? I would assume this source is not available to many based
on locality. True statement?
Quote from: apecore on April 09, 2023, 11:03:22 AM
Hi Wesley,
I want to short comment on your quote, neither I do misunderstand something about the grenade coil or we have a challenge.
Many times there is stated that the grenade coil should be low inductance, this results in higher resonance frequency.
As I stated before in this thread I ve wounded every possible grenade configuration as possible and I can garanty you you wil not find one running at 500khz.
I am curious how these low frequency come in play?
Ape
in patent:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf)
fig.8. was taken as the basis for Viziv top capacitor.
So (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) Viziv UMBRELLA element.jpg (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/170177/)
from https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673)
was an addition to the Tesla Coil.
As we know Tesla coil is the Air Transformer and needs "excessive" number of winds to resonate at low Frequency
however Dr Corum goal was 17kHz and he did it.
The general rule is:
The lower the better. ( less of losses)
Kapanadze grenade coil is also Air Transformer but the same Dr Corum shows how to make it physically small in his patent.
In Aquarium of Kapanadze
we can count sparks and that's remarkable.We may assume that Tariel Kapanadze superior design was far more advanced than design of Dr Corum although Corum says exactly the same
About winding of a coil. ( of course Tariel was uneducated experimenter likely using achievement of few Russian scientists who miraculous "disappeared"
after contacts with him)
- source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.It is worth nothing ( idiom https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/ (https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/) ) that:
-Kapanadze wanted to sale and not explain e.g TMZ in Turkey
-Dr Corum wanted to earn and for that he was in must to explain - not touching nor alluding to Energy Extraction but only Energy transfer.
For energy transfer Tx coil acting as antenna must be vertical.
In big installations ( Tent -Kapanadze and Glass table ) all coils were vertical.
Presentation on Remote Island was associated with notion that during it - the lights in coastal restaurant hotel (across the water) where Tariel crew resided dimmed and flickered significantly.
- source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
That could indicate phenomena directly related to Energy Transfer from A to B of Dr Corum.
In my own experiments I found that one can't achieve energy extraction from Schumann waveguide without number of successful
tries (experience) in energy transfer from A to B.
So one may think that Kapanadze phenomenon was just in his mastery of sending energy using Earth/ Air interface but not in Energy Extraction from unexplained by him source.
Tariel couldn't explain it, as his agenda was to explain nothing and make money - in time when he was sober as an alcoholic, and an architect "by trade"( idiom)
I would gladly tell you who has full knowledge about Kapanadze technology( means how to do it so it works, but not why it works .
- however this is against my own interest (personally important to me ). I'm and idea man not money man for sure and he must be safe from "some" Russians.
_______________________________________________________________
coming back to
Grenade coil:
from patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf)
important is:
pi network,
T network,
nonlinear elements and
lumped elements
, directional coupler , eventually toroidal helix
All of it is in Kapanadze device so is in SR, Akula, Ruslan, and so on.
0044Quote lumped-elements// diodes, transistors, and other semi-conductors // nonlinear resistors or conductors that have resistance or
conductance that is controlled by the polarity of applied Voltages or currents, etc. inherent capacitances, inductances, resistances, or conductances of
various electrical structures Such as helices, parallel plates
0060Quotefor example, a Switch, relay, Solid state Switch, plasma Switch,
in Kapanadze we have spark gap. 0065
Quotevelocity factors that are on the order of 1/1,000,000,although even
smaller velocity factors may be achieved.
From patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf)
Important is:
The core of an invention is here:
Page1
QuoteAn important element of the invention is that the path inhibit propagation, thereby creating slow waves, and provide
an electromagnetically closed path so that a standing inhibited-velocity wave, meaning resonant operation,
can be established in response to the flow of an electrical current through the path.
page7.
(left hand side)Quotethe overall dimension of the antenna at the primary resonance frequency will be less than one thirtieth of a free-space
wavelength, making it electrically small. //in addition to the advantage of remarkably small electrical size, the invention enables
simple achievement of special electromagnetic radiation properties not previously obtainable// In practice, the electrically conducting path of the
structure must be electromagnetically excited and some means of Supplying or extracting the energy must be provided
Please note that wording: " physically small", "electrically small" my be misleading and should be understood intuitively :
-as small in size but at the same time electrically "large" enough to perform. Pitch of the helical path is mentioned in: page 7 left side
.
and in page 6 right side point 45
pitch of winding is explained.
page 2 right side point 65
Quoteplurality of toroidal conducting paths, the conducting paths have opposing senses, i.e., are contrawound. By
appropriately feeding the contrawound paths, an electrically small, self-resonant antenna providing purely vertically polarized radiation having an omnidirectional
radiation pattern may be realized. This is an especially important and useful achievement in the lower frequency
page 4 right side point 65
FIG. 18b is a perspective view of a prior art structure electrically equivalent to the contrawound helix
of FIG. 18a.Page 11
(left hand side)
QuoteWhen the windings are fed at terminals AA, in the middle of the phasing bars,
the currents flow in opposite directions in the windings and the field produced by one of the electric current
loops is reversed with respect to the other // two windings 180 out of phase cancel. As a result, a
vertically polarized field in the horizontal plane is produced.
Page 13, point 35.
Contrawound Embodiments.Quotemultifilar helical embodiments //achieve extremely important results.
point 40,41. 50
Quote , when two or more helical paths on a toroidal form have opposite senses,
the paths repeatedly cross. Structures with multiple paths having opposite senses or its electrical equivalent
are referred to here as being // contrawound slow wave structures
Page 18, point 5
QuoteThe ends of each "half loop' are in electrical contact with the earth
Page 18, point 15
QuoteSuch large antennas are still electrically small and efficient. Therefore they offer great promise in the
lower frequency ranges such as the extra low frequency (ELF) range.//frequencies in that
range deeply penetrate sea water enabling reliable communication transmissions to submerged submarines.
Page 18, point 45
, 50
Quoteit could be even smaller than 0.003 free space wavelengths, with no sacrifice in directive gain
Quote. My conclusion is based on measurements of a structure according to the invention having a resonant frequency at 138KHz and a resistive feedpoint impedance of 900 ohms at
that resonance. The maximum overall dimension of this embodiment was 0.007 free space wavelengths at the resonance frequency.
point 65// described in two articles by Schumann in1952,
Page 10, point 40, 50
,Quotediameters: a=12 feet=3.66 m. b=9.7 feet=2.96 m.
N = 120 turns FIG. 9.The resonant frequency was 339 kHz at an impedance of approximately 9100 ohms. At the measured resonant
frequency, the maximum dimension of the antenna is about 0.015 free-space wavelengths.
Activation of the antenna* tesla coil or Granade coil is shown here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983
(https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983)Summary :
So CW CCW , bifilar, left right Technique is used by Tariel Kapanadze and others to have low frequency of resonance but only in
association to the reactive capacitance that can be created in
pi or
T networks . The frequency of such structure can go lower than 17kHz.
but you are absolutely right - the grenade coil by itself unlikely goes below 300kHz.
Testing A to B energy transfer on water air interface. can be even achieved at 1.8Mhz but 138kHz is great.
And that is a gold mine to become if not quickly wealthy than well.. definitely rewarded especially in situation in Ukraine today.
Strangely enough in the war zone patent rights are of the last priority and inventor may end up like Marconi many years after that.
Tests in Poland at the fairly quiet part of Baltic sea surface, were completed recently by the crew there .
I have no experience with Black Sea but we anticipate it will be much better.
The "fist" experiments were performed in Costa Rica by me few years ago.-none of them will ever deal it with "Russians" there ... for sure !!
opinion expressed is my ownWesley
Some information can be found here also:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.0
Quote from: stivep on April 09, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
in patent:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf)
fig.8. was taken as the basis for Viziv top capacitor.
So (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) Viziv UMBRELLA element.jpg (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/170177/)
from https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526673/#msg526673)
was an addition to the Tesla Coil.
As we know Tesla coil is the Air Transformer and needs "excessive" number of winds to resonate at low Frequency
however Dr Corum goal was 17kHz and he did it.
The general rule is: The lower the better. ( less of losses)
Kapanadze grenade coil is also Air Transformer but the same Dr Corum shows how to make it physically small in his patent.
In Aquarium of Kapanadze we can count sparks and that's remarkable.
We may assume that Tariel Kapanadze superior design was far more advanced than design of Dr Corum although Corum says exactly the same
About winding of a coil. ( of course Tariel was uneducated experimenter likely using achievement of few Russian scientists who miraculous "disappeared"
after contacts with him) - source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
It is worth nothing ( idiom https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/ (https://grammarhow.com/worth-noting/) ) that:
-Kapanadze wanted to sale and not explain e.g TMZ in Turkey
-Dr Corum wanted to earn and for that he was in must to explain - not touching nor alluding to Energy Extraction but only Energy transfer.
For energy transfer Tx coil acting as antenna must be vertical.
In big installations ( Tent -Kapanadze and Glass table ) all coils were vertical.
Presentation on Remote Island was associated with notion that during it - the lights in coastal restaurant hotel (across the water) where Tariel crew resided dimmed and flickered significantly.
- source of this information is known to me and is absolutely certain.
That could indicate phenomena directly related to Energy Transfer from A to B of Dr Corum.
In my own experiments I found that one can't achieve energy extraction from Schumann waveguide without number of successful
tries (experience) in energy transfer from A to B.
So one may think that Kapanadze phenomenon was just in his mastery of sending energy using Earth/ Air interface but not in Energy Extraction from unexplained by him source.
Tariel couldn't explain it, as his agenda was to explain nothing and make money - in time when he was sober as an alcoholic, and an architect "by trade"( idiom)
I would gladly tell you who has full knowledge about Kapanadze technology( means how to do it so it works, but not why it works .
- however this is against my own interest (personally important to me ). I'm and idea man not money man for sure and he must be safe from "some" Russians.
_______________________________________________________________
coming back to Grenade coil:
from patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f9/26/ff/80f95d39e71d9f/US20060190512A1.pdf)
important is: pi network, T network, nonlinear elements and lumped elements, directional coupler , eventually toroidal helix
All of it is in Kapanadze device so is in SR, Akula, Ruslan, and so on.
00440060in Kapanadze we have spark gap.
0065 From patent- https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9d/2b/2a/fa977b9aae1691/US4751515.pdf)
Important is:
The core of an invention is here:
Page1page7.(left hand side)
Please note that wording: " physically small", "electrically small" my be misleading and should be understood intuitively :
-as small in size but at the same time electrically "large" enough to perform. Pitch of the helical path is mentioned in: page 7 left side.
and in page 6 right side point 45 pitch of winding is explained.
page 2 right side point 65 page 4 right side point 65 FIG. 18b is a perspective view of a prior art structure electrically equivalent to the contrawound helix of FIG. 18a.
Page 11 (left hand side)
Page 13, point 35.Contrawound Embodiments.point 40,41. 50Page 18, point 5 Page 18, point 15
Page 18, point 45, 50Page 10, point 40, 50,Activation of the antenna* tesla coil or Granade coil is shown here:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983
(https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=983)Summary :
So CW CCW , bifilar, left right Technique is used by Tariel Kapanadze and others to have low frequency of resonance but only in
association to the reactive capacitance that can be created in pi or T networks . The frequency of such structure can go lower than 17kHz.
but you are absolutely right - the grenade coil by itself unlikely goes below 300kHz.
Testing A to B energy transfer on water air interface. can be even achieved at 1.8Mhz but 138kHz is great.
And that is a gold mine to become if not quickly wealthy than well.. definitely rewarded especially in situation in Ukraine today.
Strangely enough in the war zone patent rights are of the last priority and inventor may end up like Marconi many years after that.
Tests in Poland at the fairly quiet part of Baltic sea surface, were completed recently by the crew there .
I have no experience with Black Sea but we anticipate it will be much better.
The "fist" experiments were performed in Costa Rica by me few years ago.
-none of them will ever deal it with "Russians" there ... for sure !!
opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
Thank you Wesley for the valuable information.
So let me ask:
Not being the sharpest "knife in the drawer;"
1. Where does the excess energy come from? (in simple, pragmatic,
or real technically explainable terms), analogies and examples will work.
2. And, how is it injected, or whatever, into the output Grenade Coil to
create a high output power, as Ruslan and others show?
I didn't see any off-shore transmitters or anything else in the Ruslan,
or in any of the many other demonstrations - either in person, or
otherwise in the hundreds of videos.
Just curious. We all would appreciate your insight since it would help a
lot to solving the thechnical mysteries. A simple theory, or at least, an
explainable simple approach, would really help.
Thanks,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on April 10, 2023, 02:22:13 AM
Just curious. «We» all would appreciate your insight //
Dear SolarLab if any signs of appreciation are shown, you'll be the last one, willing to be nice.
Russians even activated a Troll that is in this forum since 2009.
Кто такие
«мы» ?
Wesley
I don't want more perpetual motion machines. I want an invisibility hat.
https://www.hyperstealth.com/Quantum-Stealth/ (https://www.hyperstealth.com/Quantum-Stealth/)
Then I will not need these stupid documents, visas and other crap.
I will not need to humiliate myself and prove something someone.
Does this really happen!?
Quote from: stivep on April 10, 2023, 06:22:29 AM
Кто такие «мы» ?
I am certain I did not sign any contract lumping me into some nebulous group.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 10, 2023, 11:17:39 AM
I am certain I did not sign any contract lumping me into some nebulous group.
If you want I can let my legal team look into this.
Quote from: apecore on April 10, 2023, 12:11:58 PM
If you want I can let my legal team look into this.
Doht!
I'm told my baby heel print signed me up for all sorts of things
I wouldn't agree to today. Rats!
I'm also told there must be remedy. Wonder when I can have
some that...
Quote from: stivep on April 10, 2023, 06:22:29 AM
Russians even activated a Troll that is in this forum since 2009.
Did you mean to say:
QuoteDate Registered: 2011-09-11, 11:52:09
?
I'm nobody special.. just some guy walking on the street somewhere
in some sort of typical American town of New York like Manhattan per se
I know not much and nobody cares but I love you all. :)
Wesley
Been looking at this for a while - even got me banned for disclosing the theory (over the target! :) )
July 15 2015
Where does the energy come from and what mechanism might account for the excess energy produced by such a device?
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg455673/#msg455673
June 19, 2015
F.Y.I. https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg453108/#msg453108
June 18, 2015
Another theoretical possibility worthy of consideration (?):
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg453100/#msg453100
Unfortunately, the thread over on OUR where I was presenting 3D CAE Simulation Animations
of the Ruslan device was closed and scrubbed - what does that tell you?
- "WASH - RINSE - REPEAT" - Wait a while and run it again! Don't bother anymore. We know
it works and the theory has been found and presented!
BTW - Ruslan's new design probably involves moving the "electron stream created by the Tesla"
from the outside of the helical coils [grenade] (as found in Haeff's original TWT patent US2233126)
to inside the helical coils (as found in the latter TWT patents).
Regards,
SL
Here is a conumdrum for you all to sort out, note the wave forms in this scope shot that shows all
Sil
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 15, 2023, 11:43:24 AM
Here is a conumdrum for you all to sort out, note the wave forms in this scope shot that shows all
Look again at the bottom trace and notice the packs of spikes.
You would have to zoom way in to see the time delay in those
packs. Obviously not free running though; that is quite clear.
The question one has to answer is: Why packs? What does
this accomplish?
Not any really mistery here; it was explained a while ago:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5dcknbctlcb5q8g193j904p7m2&topic=4154.msg96060#msg96060 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5dcknbctlcb5q8g193j904p7m2&topic=4154.msg96060#msg96060)
The simplified schematic was published in the above threads. A couple of summer students developed the system and had
good results - they got it working. They may have made some modifications to the basic circuit, probably even documented itin their Lab Notebooks.
Inputs to the device used, at that time, if I recall correctly, 4 or 5 function generators - see paste below (1) - which made it easy to
work with. The next step was to design a Controller to account for the variations in environmental conditions. Technology was
not yet available at that time but it is now - STM32xxxx processors.
(1) JDS Function Generators - can't find the link right now; they did have to use the PC program to set up the generators however.
SL
PS - see the attached pdf for an expanded version.
Quote from: SolarLab on April 16, 2023, 03:54:24 AM
A couple of summer students developed the system and had
good results - they got it working.
Yeap, Mission Accomplished. We can all close up shop and wait for
units to begin selling at WalMart or wherever virtual playground one
frequents. ::)
Quote from: Dog-One on April 16, 2023, 09:55:59 AM
Yeap, Mission Accomplished. We can all close up shop and wait for
units to begin selling at WalMart or wherever virtual playground one
frequents. ::)
Yeah and a good job cows cant fly, if yo believe that your banana republic at the 5 sided
weaponising center will soon put a stop to that idea.
In the existance of the earth haw many times do you think earths population has been wiped out
by cataclimatic activities
Dog this pdf you posted lets just pick up on the first line
1.37mhz, if we now divide it into the 'light speed' (300 x 10 to 8x0 we get 218.987 mtrs of wire
however if it's 13.7khz its 300 x 10 to 8x0 we get 21897.810 mtrs winding
at 4mtr sqr, and tubes and stuff ::) :o
I presume your going to build this in your apartment and that component list isn't going to be cheep :o
also in the last line of your question about the pulse or collection of them since the circuit is concentrating
pulses like that and knowing how inductors work they have to be BEMF pulses but tuned like a maser
after all what else could it be bannaners perhaps ?
Sil
How to compute wavelength for a ferrite core coil ? For air core it is simple but ferrite lower resonant frequency
Here's what the students used to drive and adjust the Test Device Setup.
These Dual Channel Function Generators were the ones used for the initial development.
Sync and Burst features allowed setting up all the required waveforms. Phases are
synchronized and adjusted as required. A 50 ohm output and BNC coax cable keeps
the signals pretty clean.
Can't recall how the geneerators were configured (CH1 sync input = CH2 output?) but all
the required signals are easily generated, synchronized, and phase adjustable to 0.1
degrees along with the frequencies to 0.1uHz.
Once you've mastered the requirements use an STM32xxxx processor discovery board
to program in your test setup numbers - note, each device will likely be different and
will change with the weather, etc. so a control loop will probably be required.
JUNTEK JDS-2900 Signal Generator
(60 MHz version - freq res 0.01uHz - minimum pulse width ~ 25nS - rise time <10nS)
Operation Video of JDS2900 Handheld Series Function Arbitrary Waveform Signal Generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzRBYPXVMQs
Dual Channel Arbitrary Waveform Generator - DDS Function Counter - JUNTEK JDS2900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3362N7M_B9c
Manual
http://68.168.132.244/JDS2900_EN_manual.pdf
Budget Waveform Generator Review (looks like a newer model JDS8080)
[Has a Sync Out and TTL - very handy for this project]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blHwafY4qw0
SL
NOTE: This information is provided for serious experimenters and builders ONLY
not the childish assholes who can't even figure out how a paperclip works! :o
IF you're just getting started in investigating Excess Energy Systems or if
you have a 1000+ post history - this book might provide further insights and information.
Practical Transformer Handbook
https://www.pdfdrive.com/practical-transformer-handbook-for-electronics-radio-and-communications-engineers-e158629003.html (https://www.pdfdrive.com/practical-transformer-handbook-for-electronics-radio-and-communications-engineers-e158629003.html)
Of particular interest:
- Figures 2.1 and 2.3 as well as the associated text with respect to the TV Yoke toroid.
- Parametric Converter; probably relates more to Steven Mark's generator and
- Transformer behaviour with pulse-width modulated waveforms.
- Figure 4.10 Bifilar-wound transformer. "It might sound like a riddle to ask what a travelling wave tube ( TWT),
a Beverage wave antenna, and a transmission line transformer have in common. Suffice it to say that expertise
in the theory and applications of one of these implementations could provide the intellectual springboard for
inventing the other two. More to the point, the shared operational feature is energy transfer via an excited
transmission line."
- Figure 4.11 Traveling Wave Tube
"The excitation can assume different forms; interestingly, however, it need not occur by flux linked coils as in a
conventional transformer. Excitation introduced at one end of a transmission line propagates energy to the far
end via travelling wave action."
"The TWT (Fig. 4.11) represents the most sophisticated utilization of the principle. In this device, the helix
is in reality a coiled transmission line. Travelling wave energy transport in the helix is slowed so it can take
energy from the electron beam. This transmission line helix is excited by, and continually supplied with,
energy from the electron beam. The energy extracted from the electron beam not only gives rise to
a travelling wave in the helix, but progressively increases its amplitude. Hence, this device is by
its nature an amplifier, A weak signal coupled to the input end of the helix structure emerges greatly
strengthened at the output end. Also, as is commonly attainable from transmission lines, broadband
operation just 'comes along for the ride'."
- Figure 3.3 Tesla Coil. Also, Figure 5.8.
- Figure 6.1 Geomagnetically-induced current (may be related to the instability problems).
- Figure 6.6 Apparent paradox of electromagnetic induction. (Gramme ring armature).
And much more!
Also, the attached pdf is a transcript of one of Ruslan's comments regarding his system and how he invisions,
to some extent, it's underlying technical operation and theory. It was translated using 3 differing translators and
is colour coded to hopefully make it easier to read. Note that not every translator sees things in the same way.
Enjoy!
SL
Same one as on my upper shelf. Nice 5v portable dual channel with lots of goodies in there.
thay
Ruslan uploaded 2 new videos
https://www.youtube.com/@ruslanklive9651/videos
Donald Lee Smith Простое Устройство
&
Donald Lee Smith how make simple Device
Hi Worldcup,
Thanks for the links. Hope to find some time to try Ruslans newest design. Looks interesting.
Found the old Ruslan [Absolute schematic] generator the summer students got working a few
years ago (crushed in a box but repairable). Hopefully their Lab Notebooks are around as well.
Signal Generator Update:
Had a detailed look as the Juntek (Goupchn) PSG9060 Programmable DDS Signal Generator [the
60 MHz version is the same as the 80 MHz version with only a 20 MHz lower Sinewave output
and somewhat less expensive] so a few were purchased { < $200US each }.
Two of these generators can be synchronized to make a complete set of signals to drive the
Ruslan device and provide easy tunablility and tweeking, as required.
Additional features allow external variations of the signal channel parameters (VCO type control)
which should allow a feedback control loop within the test-set. Storage and playback of signals
{Arbitrary Waveform Generator, AWG] also means a "pre-distorted" signal can be used. Pretty nice
actually. Has a cool Bluetooth interface so you can run it remotely from your phone - what next! :)
Hardware In The Loop:
Another interesting aspect is the ability to achieve "Hardware-in-the-Loop" for a two-way
CAE design. The real time AWG capability means moving back and forth between CAE and
Harware at a "Hobbist level" price point. Quite exciting IMHO!
These generators will also serve in the "LinGen" signal development; so a single (two combined
synchronized generators) 4 channels total; can do both tasks - setups are stored and
reused, as needed.
Anyway, have a good day!
SL
Quote from: worldcup on April 20, 2023, 11:27:33 AM
Ruslan uploaded 2 new videos
https://www.youtube.com/@ruslanklive9651/videos
Donald Lee Smith Простое Устройство
&
Donald Lee Smith how make simple Device
There is a big hint in the description:
https://www.trance-cat.com/electrical-circuit-calculators/en/rl-low-pass-filter-calculator.php
Low-pass filter using RL topology. Or would RC or LC be better?
Pick the one applicable for your setup and be mindful of your
phase alignment. ;)
And Ruslan, if you happen to see this post, could you please PM me?
Interesting - F.Y.I.
While reviewing Ruslan's latest "new design" video (the long one in slow-mo) he shows the same
Juntek PSG9080 generator discussed above at 06:46 and again later on.
Note that in the youtube video descriptions there are several "VK" links that contain, what appears
to be, brief schematic drawings relating to the vidoes. The presenters page also has a few older
videos that might pertain, to some extent, about the subject.
SL
Just a brief F.Y.I.
From a few years back - Discussion with Goefusion regarding the "Absolute" work product
(the initial work started back around Dec 2018).
Unfortunately the related posts and info were removed from the original forum thread [?].
Attached Geofusion's response [2433_2011-11-19] in a pdf - so it can be blown-up and read
more easily.
BTW - the latest "small Ruslan Generator," so far, appears to be quite interesting. His video
regarding the design contains a great deal of useful information, IMHO.
SL
To wrap-up my "TopRuslan" contribution here;
Keep in mind there are at least three (3) viable "Excess Energy" devices
that have been discussed recently and they all appear to be doable with
minimum effort and expense. A Magnetic Motor might also prove viable.
They may not be KW producers in their current form but could be easily scaled up.
These include:
1. LinGen (Linear magnetic field Holcomb method),
2. HHO (run a typical internal combustion engine generator on water),
3. Ruslan Generator (TopRuslan) - smaller version is straight forward.
Hopefully a few more usable schemes will surface either in this forum, or
elsewhere, in the very near future.
Anyway, take care, happy experimenting and Good Luck!
SL
@SolarLab, Ty.
I managed to find the link to the post you made .
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=a3lc09pl58opli0fts9c2b5d93&topic=3926.msg96121#msg96121
Everyone involved in this project, dog-one, ape, etc etc just beautiful , marvellous my friends.
Year 2023 we get an working prototype for sure.
Small shoutout to experimenters involved in this topic so far and trying to help humanity >
Dog-One*
apecore*
r2fpl
don smith
AlienGrey
truesearch
NickZ
panyuming
maxolous
forest
sm0ky2
SolarLab
ramset
Cloxxki
kolbacict
Thaelin
Shoutout music from me to them - https://youtu.be/kkhWDeBbevA?t=55
Regards
Meanwhile. Ruslan upload's new video -
Don Smith Resonance Energy Crafting 1995 (Sound Remastered)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQh2MuwnIRs
Regards
Ruslan up's another video -
Don Smith Resonance Energy Crafting 1994 (Sound Remastered)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEq9LAADRs
Regards
Guys,
Had a long winter sleep and did some dreaming.
Did somebody ever measured the capacitance between grenade and antenna?
Imagine its a LC serie's loop and it got pulsed by the secundairy?
Would there flow a current?
What capacitance do I need to get a 2Mhz wave in a grenade with 22uH....288pF?
Is 288pF reasonable for the antenna/ grenade combination?
Who remembers Ruslans vid showing unipolair pulses?
What if he is pulsing the secondary instead of the primairy?
There is also a vid were is shown you can generate a unipolair puls in a coil by a much lower frequency and very tiny puls. This matches the inductor frequency.
Quote from: apecore on April 24, 2023, 04:23:46 PM
Did somebody ever measured the capacitance between grenade and antenna?
Imagine its a LC serie's loop and it got pulsed by the secundairy?
Would there flow a current?
What capacitance do I need to get a 2Mhz wave in a grenade with 22uH....288pF?
Is 288pF reasonable for the antenna/ grenade combination?
Looks correct to me. A current should certainly flow based on the voltage
potential.
Quote from: apecore on April 24, 2023, 04:23:46 PM
Who remembers Ruslans vid showing unipolair pulses?
What if he is pulsing the secondary instead of the primairy?
What if he is pulsing both, creating a modulation?
Has anyone figured out why a modulation is necessary? Does it
counter Lenz Law in some way? Or better stated, does it introduce
a situation where we have Lenz Law happening twice and the two
opposing forces are competing with each other instead of the system
as a whole?
Quote from: apecore on April 24, 2023, 04:23:46 PM
There is also a vid were is shown you can generate a unipolair puls in a coil by a much lower frequency and very tiny puls. This matches the inductor frequency.
Also happens to fit within the bandwidth.
.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 24, 2023, 10:02:25 PM
Looks correct to me. A current should certainly flow based on the voltage
potential.
What if he is pulsing both, creating a modulation?
Has anyone figured out why a modulation is necessary? Does it
counter Lenz Law in some way? Or better stated, does it introduce
a situation where we have Lenz Law happening twice and the two
opposing forces are competing with each other instead of the system
as a whole?
Also happens to fit within the bandwidth.
Apperently the wire resistant R is less than 0.2ohm instead of 2.7.
This make the figures even better I guess.
Ruslan up's another video an hour back -
Don Smith Resonance Energy Crafting 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQydAWJ2NI
Ruslan, i'm sure you got your eye on this forum thread, come enlighten everyone .
Junior, senior, laymen, everyone struggling so hard since day one, they are experimenting, sharing opinions, outcome, whatnot! give them a push.
show hand towards humanity.
Don't become another forgotten TK.
Quote
The time is passing like sand slipping through our fingers and can not be reversed.
Is it worth?
Kapanadze died, and no one will remember him in few years.
He could change the world, but he choose not to!
And because of that he is nobody, only few of us will remember him.
Nobody! Null.
Not now, then never.
Regards
....
..sry
This video was made couple of months ago by the request of Aliengrey and it has been kept private. AG requested for waveform.
https://youtu.be/J7du9f-f9t0
Maxolous
Quote from: maxolous on April 06, 2023, 02:07:49 PM
An ideal grenade was demonstrated by Late Don Smith: in his video, he picked up a piece of wire folded it into two halves and wound it on his forehand; Yeah!I believe it has two plates
Maxolous
I was referring to this video 👇
From the statement I made above
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuIsA9sXkyA
Pay attention to time mark 1:40
Maxolous
Hello,
2023.03.23 - Explanation of the principle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyrpjYgyvUk
from video description, 2 pdf scheme links were given. I upload the pdf here incase link goes down.
Regards
Quote from: worldcup on May 02, 2023, 09:30:08 AM
2023.03.23 - Explanation of the principle
I might add, Bunk figured out how to get two independent standing
waves to form inside a single coil due to superposition. A bit more
difficult to understand and tune, but less hardware required for the
final unit.
I'll toss you a bone: FSK 8)
Quote from: Dog-One on May 02, 2023, 05:02:46 PM
I might add, Bunk figured out how to get two independent standing
waves to form inside a single coil due to superposition. A bit more
difficult to understand and tune, but less hardware required for the
final unit.
I'll toss you a bone: FSK 8)
Quit simple 😁
Just use two primairy coils.
Bunk Patent for above illustration shown by @Dog-One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNcBiQ5--c
;D
@apecore, how's this ruslan progress! if any , any light's of hope ?
:)
Regards
[quote
@apecore, how's this ruslan progress! if any , any light's of hope ?
:)
Regards
[/quote]
At the moment no priority, still under NDA
QuoteAt the moment no priority, still under NDA
;) :D
Disclosure Agreement is a must ...
---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzhhssJK5o
what are those 3 coils with same dimesnison! resonators !
Regards
Quote from: worldcup on May 04, 2023, 01:24:58 AM
Bunk Patent for above illustration shown by @Dog-One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNcBiQ5--c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNcBiQ5--c)
;D
@apecore, how's this ruslan progress! if any , any light's of hope ?
:)
Regards
@worldcup, @Dog-one
1. In patent we see two Tesla secondaries, in every Bunk video and @Dog-one schematic there is only one.
2.Many Bunk videos show aluminium foil on the tube, slotted in the centre. Not on the @Dog-one schematic.
3. Very similiar to "Don Smith setup"-center tapped opposite wound receiver coil. But on every presentation Don did-he run his enclosed suitcase unit, never that one he was openly showing. He never showed what is in the suitcase. Because he claimed he is tied by multi billion worth agreements with big investors. So, would he jeopardize his multi billion $ agreements by openly showing his device? ::) I would rather say his presentations purpose was to put more smoke and mirrors on his device.
Drawings from @Dog-one don't explain the principle.
But principle is explained by simple math:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg577025/#msg577025
Cheers,
Pix
Hello,
@pix, thank(s).
Got my brain running 8)
@pix, suitcase , about this device you talking ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5F4OwpdFOI
Regards
Quote from: worldcup on May 04, 2023, 01:21:39 PM
Hello,
@pix, thank(s).
Got my brain running 8)
@pix, suitcase , about this device you talking ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5F4OwpdFOI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5F4OwpdFOI)
Regards
In the attachment device Don Smith did always show in the presentations. He never run that device, he only run his suitcase device. He never opened that suitcase .
Hello,
someone with something with topruslan device, http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%d0%b3%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%b0%d1%82%d0%be%d1%80-%d1%80%d1%83%d1%81%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%ba%d1%83%d0%bb%d0%b0%d0%b1%d1%83%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b2%d0%b0/page__st__740#entry374385
"one company from which Kapa stole the installation"
???
QuoteRuslan tells a lot of course, but it is not clear why. Sometimes moments slip by which you can understand that he understands the constructive, but most likely not physics, so this is just his free interpretation, he has every right. However, if you don't want to tell the principle, you don't need to say anything at all, work calmly for yourself, for example, for miners, and don't shine. Well, that's my opinion, and I'm right.
And the principle is simple, initially difficult to understand, requiring precise knowledge of the processes and the fulfillment of fairly stringent requirements. I studied for a long time. Initially, this is a current accelerator, and only then a multiplier. Everything we are interested in happens on semiconductors, it is easiest to work on diodes, you can use thyristors, ordinary Si, with a large crystal area and very slow, in order to have time to properly act on the crystal until recombination has ended in it.
Namely:
First, get the SOS effect, then bring it to an avalanche, then to the avalanche-transit mode, then irradiate the RF, microwave crystal, as a result of which an acoustic phonon is formed, the entire crystal lattice begins to create pairs, we cut off the recombination, the response front of the n + zone will begin to annihilate with the formation of a negative resistance diff and it will become a current source, and at the output you will get a kiloampere (maybe several kA) pulse, which charges the capacitor. In order to properly charge it, you also need to understand how the dielectric works, to realize the possibility of avalanche charge multiplication in it, and then you can charge almost any capacitance with a single pulse, lasting no more than a microsecond. Understand what tTau of the effect on the charge is, what it happens and what effects it causes. And get what you want.
Here is a brief outline of the sequence of processes already known and published in sufficient detail. By the way, among the authors of semiconductor physics researchers, I ran into the names of Georgians whom Tabatadze knew - one company from which Kapa stole the installation. And this interesting study "On the capture of charge carriers by neutral centers." Study the work of p-n transitions, there is a lot on the net.
All these arcs, spikes, high-frequency drivers with antennas (this is not an antenna !!! (c)), noises, for example, triacs, are feeders of the circuit (everyone has seen a thick wire passing through the resonator) in which the loop diode operates. Which, by the way, can be selected by typing, if you don't know exactly what exactly is needed from the diode.
There are no other principles.
Regards
A diode huh. Sounds like another wild goose chase to me.
Quote from: pix on May 04, 2023, 05:59:15 AM
Drawings from @Dog-one don't explain the principle.
Nope, it sure doesn't explain anything important. It only shows
roughly what the final device will tend to look like.
The principal is this:
You create two conditions of Lenz Law, put them in opposition to
each other and place your load in the middle. Flip the switch and
let known physical laws fight it out while you power your load.
How might that be done?
Start with a transmission line, or in this case a coil with the normally
grounded common leg being the air. Inject two discrete signals into
one primary using frequency shift keying. These signals will produce
four traveling waves with each pair producing their own set of standing
waves. You will get standing waves because the coil is not terminated
with its characteristic impedance and therefore, there will be wave
reflections at each end. The standing waves will align themselves with
anti-nodes that can be easily detected along the length of the coil.
Once the anti-nodes are found, pick two of them adjacent to each other,
near the end of the coil. This is where you will place the output coils.
How might this actually work?
First, keep in mind the standing waves are only virtual, what really
composes them are travelling waves. This is why you need to choose
anti-nodes adjacent to each other, because the act of Lenz Law or
the back EMF from the load, is going to shove the travelling waves
in such a manner where they get pushed from one output coil right
back to the other output coil in three out of four instances. Trying
to stop Lenz Law or circumventing it is pointless, as most of us know
by now. The trick is to make it work for us.
What I want to see now is for someone that reads this, have the light
come on in their head and build the darn device, get it tuned and show
us a video of the thing running close-looped. If I have to be the one
to do it, I'll probably die first and no one will see anything. Then you
can all watch reruns of Bunk doing it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmyOjsjzHi8), knowing full well how it probably
works.
Quote from: Dog-One on May 06, 2023, 12:52:12 AM
What I want to see now is for someone that reads this, have the light
come on in their head and build the darn device, get it tuned and show
us a video of the thing running close-looped. If I have to be the one
to do it, I'll probably die first and no one will see anything. Then you
can all watch reruns of Bunk doing it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmyOjsjzHi8), knowing full well how it probably
works.
At least my goal is to show you overunity even in your final hours🤭
Mr Apcore here is a so called working display of the Don Smith device (from the Youtube internet.
Notice the large charge number of capacitors before the spark gap that looks to feed the the output stage.
It's dumping a huge amount of charged energy across the spark gap switch, leathal infact!
But if you look at the Ruslan device it doesn't work like that it just (the grenade) gets a few HV pulses
from the Tesla coil that doesn't go any where just TX is them into thin air. I mean is that a joke or what.
I needs some one to prove the concept on a smaller scale Any offers ?
Sil
Quote from: AlienGrey on May 06, 2023, 03:21:42 AM
Mr Apcore here is a so called working display of the Don Smith device (from the Youtube internet.
Notice the large charge number of capacitors before the spark gap that looks to feed the the output stage.
It's dumping a huge amount of charged energy across the spark gap switch, leathal infact!
But if you look at the Ruslan device it doesn't work like that it just (the grenade) gets a few HV pulses
from the Tesla coil that doesn't go any where just TX is them into thin air. I mean is that a joke or what.
I needs some one to prove the concept on a smaller scale Any offers ?
Sil
Mr AlienGrey,
Those caps are series connected, to make them HV resistance.. overall capacitance is low.
Cant follow your quote about the grenade and TX..
I suspect that the arrangement by Ruslan according the use of kacher is fake...
But who am I?
Original post, taken from here - https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg369992/#msg369992
chinese forum link wont load, instead use this https://web.archive.org/web/20170616115528/http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1157
QuoteThat is a chinese replication of the donald smith device.
see the original post here:
http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1157
and also here:
http://user.qzone.qq.com/278885050/blog/1378191565#!app=2&via=QZ.HashRefresh&pos=1378191565
Please use Google to translate it.
his diagram is in the attachment.
it seems that his replication doesn't need any ground connection.
He (青云Cloud) is also the person who made the 2 shaded pole motors (one modified) self looping device.
This might not be a fake.
I have one question.
How to calcuate the values of the secondary capacitors to match resonance?
Quote from: apecore on May 06, 2023, 03:56:23 AM
Mr AlienGrey,
Those caps are series connected, to make them HV resistance.. overall capacitance is low.
Cant follow your quote about the grenade and TX..
I suspect that the arrangement by Ruslan according the use of kacher is fake...
But who am I?
There is a a scope shot of the charge of that circuit by Geo Fusion
and you end up with more out than in look on his youtube channel
it's about pulling in static charge from the air/environment, the problem with the grenade
is it's all fifilar wound DS shows that produces all current and no voltage.
Did you watch the Don Smith video 14, TX is short for transmiting and RX is rceiving.
An important statment in vid 14 he says the battery is charged by the resident oscilater
freqency is a wave length and if its in tune / resonance harmonis, he called it a magic battery.
Sil
Quote from: Dog-One on May 06, 2023, 12:52:12 AM
Nope, it sure doesn't explain anything important. It only shows
roughly what the final device will tend to look like.
The principal is this:
You create two conditions of Lenz Law, put them in opposition to
each other and place your load in the middle. Flip the switch and
let known physical laws fight it out while you power your load.
How might that be done?
Start with a transmission line, or in this case a coil with the normally
grounded common leg being the air. Inject two discrete signals into
one primary using frequency shift keying. These signals will produce
four traveling waves with each pair producing their own set of standing
waves. You will get standing waves because the coil is not terminated
with its characteristic impedance and therefore, there will be wave
reflections at each end. The standing waves will align themselves with
anti-nodes that can be easily detected along the length of the coil.
Once the anti-nodes are found, pick two of them adjacent to each other,
near the end of the coil. This is where you will place the output coils.
How might this actually work?
First, keep in mind the standing waves are only virtual, what really
composes them are travelling waves. This is why you need to choose
anti-nodes adjacent to each other, because the act of Lenz Law or
the back EMF from the load, is going to shove the travelling waves
in such a manner where they get pushed from one output coil right
back to the other output coil in three out of four instances. Trying
to stop Lenz Law or circumventing it is pointless, as most of us know
by now. The trick is to make it work for us.
What I want to see now is for someone that reads this, have the light
come on in their head and build the darn device, get it tuned and show
us a video of the thing running close-looped. If I have to be the one
to do it, I'll probably die first and no one will see anything. Then you
can all watch reruns of Bunk doing it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmyOjsjzHi8), knowing full well how it probably
works.
Hi Dog-one,
In your description the principle is still the same I described in:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg577025/#msg577025
Feeding discrete signals into primary in resonant way, amplitude of standing waves will rise linearly , energy will rise with the square of amplitude.
You will have standing wave nodes and antinodes.
At nodes there there is current, at antinodes there is potential.
It is the same like hairpin, Tesla ect. Connecting incadescent lamp between node and antinode-you will light it up like in Hairpin case.
First of all, why would you need a four travelling waves to create nodes and antinodes?
Tesla secondary is better and simpler way. It is a 1/4 wavelength transmission line . You have a clear node at ground point, and clear antinode at top terminal.
Feeding discrete signal into primary in resonant way the magnification process will start in secondary. You will have many volts at top side and many amps at ground side.
Discharge that accumulated energy periodically. Let volts and amps combine. That's all.
P=U x I x cos(U,I)
And you will have a very similiar wave pattern on the oscilloscope like in mechanical oscillator, see attached pdf document.
I see Tesla and all related devices as energy compressor. As 1/4 wave resonator taps discrete energy pockets and let them accumulate to the point it can't keep that energy anymore and it breaks loose. Have you seen powerfull Tesla coil discharges?
In Turkey presentation of Kapanadze we see clearly 3 Tesla coils discharging from top terminals to 3 tall structures that are similiar to capacitive step down transformers used for HV applications:
Difference between Capacitive Voltage Transformer CVT and CCVT: (electengmaterials.com) (https://electengmaterials.com/difference-between-capacitive-voltage-transformer-cvt-and-ccvt/)
Maybe there is another way to get accumulated energy from Tesla secondary and convert it to low voltage 50 Hz applications. Maybe CW/CCW coil is the way. I don't know , this has to be practically checked.
But in my opinion principle lies in simple math, in properties of tuned resonator.
To do it in efficient way we need to keep radiation and other loses low. We need to have lowes practically possible resonator, and slow wave transmission line (Tesla secondary) in a kHz region is a good candidate.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on May 06, 2023, 07:23:02 AM
First of all, why would you need a four travelling waves to create nodes and antinodes?
You are asking that question because you have not thought this
through enough. You need two traveling waves moving in opposite
directions to get one set of standing waves. You need two sets of
standing waves in order to pit one against the other, with your
load in between.
So how does energy from the environment enter into this system?
What did I say about this being a transmission line? One leg of the
transmission line is the air around the coil. This device has setup
the conditions where the environment must provide what is missing
in order to satisfy the physical/electrical restrictions within the coil.
It is most definitely an open system. A normal transmission line is
a closed system and wave propagation is fixed based on the segment
L/C ratio. With this device, wave propagation speed is still a fixed
parameter unless you externally alter the capacitance between the
coil and the air around it. This is what I suspect happens naturally--
charge is pulled into the air, to charge that coil/air capacitor and keep
the system in balance electrically. This external charge actually alters
the capacitance dynamically while the device runs.
Quote from: Dog-One on May 06, 2023, 09:07:59 AM
You are asking that question because you have not thought this
through enough. You need two traveling waves moving in opposite
directions to get one set of standing waves. You need two sets of
standing waves in order to pit one against the other, with your
load in between.
So how does energy from the environment enter into this system?
What did I say about this being a transmission line? One leg of the
transmission line is the air around the coil. This device has setup
the conditions where the environment must provide what is missing
in order to satisfy the physical/electrical restrictions within the coil.
It is most definitely an open system. A normal transmission line is
a closed system and wave propagation is fixed based on the segment
L/C ratio. With this device, wave propagation speed is still a fixed
parameter unless you externally alter the capacitance between the
coil and the air around it. This is what I suspect happens naturally--
charge is pulled into the air, to charge that coil/air capacitor and keep
the system in balance electrically. This external charge actually alters
the capacitance dynamically while the device runs.
Tesla coil is doing exactly what you are describing.
Top terminal alters it's capacitance.
One standing wave forms within secondary, which is electrically 1/4 of wavelength, so you have clear 2 points: node and antinode.
Maybe enviroment is providing something "extra", but I don't know by what process.
But as I said before, it is like electromagnetic compressor that is adding up pockets of small signal into a large one, that is in the useable form. Energy of that system rises expotentially versus linear energy feed. "Per-se" there is energy positive imbalance.
Many small guys climb on each other to form a big guy.
The same principle applies to air conditioners and a heat pumps. A large volume of low temperature ambient air is converted to smaller volume of high temperature air. Basically it is an OU device with COP 3-5. And nobody is questioning this fact.
Why people do not accept it's electromagnetic example?
Cheers,
Pix
You don't need a Yesla coil to feed a grenade coil, you can see that from the Don Smith device.
and it don't have run at 2mhz but the spark plug simulation needs to be realy fast in the nsecond
regon.
Do you refer to all that radiation and charged particals that comes from the sun by any chance 8) 8)
Sil
Quote from: pix on May 06, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
Maybe enviroment is providing something "extra", but I don't know by what process.
If you have a capacitor with a value of 30uF and this capacitor is being
slightly charged from some unknown source, will it still behave as a 30uF
capacitor?
I would say no. It will behave as something less than a 30uF capacitor
during charge, determined by how much external charge it is receiving.
The good news is, when you go to discharge it, it will behave like a
capacitor greater than 30uF. So magically we are now able to charge a
capacitor faster than we discharge it, given the same resistance. That
directly translates to power my friend, coming from an unknown source.
That unknown source is the environment, the air around the coil, dynamically
altering the characteristics of this transmission line.
Quote from: AlienGrey on May 06, 2023, 10:52:58 AM
You don't need a Yesla coil to feed a grenade coil, you can see that from the Don Smith device.
and it don't have run at 2mhz but the spark plug simulation needs to be realy fast in the nsecond
regon.
Do you refer to all that radiation and charged particals that comes from the sun by any chance 8) 8)
Sil
Nope.
Any "slow wave" resonator will do. The lower frequency the better. I gues "grenade" coil is another way to physically shorten the resonator.
Quote from: Dog-One on May 06, 2023, 10:56:32 AM
If you have a capacitor with a value of 30uF and this capacitor is being
slightly charged from some unknown source, will it still behave as a 30uF
capacitor?
I would say no. It will behave as something less than a 30uF capacitor
during charge, determined by how much external charge it is receiving.
The good news is, when you go to discharge it, it will behave like a
capacitor greater than 30uF. So magically we are now able to charge a
capacitor faster than we discharge it, given the same resistance. That
directly translates to power my friend, coming from an unknown source.
That unknown source is the environment, the air around the coil, dynamically
altering the characteristics of this transmission line.
With grounded Tesla secondary, every "push" from primary amplitude of standing wave rises, and more and more electrons are attracted and repelled from the ground. "Electrical mass" is rising . Energy is expotentially rising, feed from primary is constant.
Positive energy imbalance is rising. And it is an"open" circuit to the enviroment.
No need to search for exotic energy sources.
In my opinion that's the process.
Cheers,
Pix
Hello,
any update on 'TopRuslan device' from experimenters !
Regards
QuoteHook. Topology according to Akula. Grenade, push-pull, kacher.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pZaQpwsRSww
Quote from: worldcup on May 14, 2023, 07:25:29 AM
Hello,
any update on 'TopRuslan device' from experimenters !
Regards
Can I find out if this link to the video is Russian again?
All of real interest, Any way I should have asked you how do you think the device is supposed to work?
as that would have a very large influence on it's layout.
I'm not sure any one will get the Ruslan device to work as is,
really the grenade is wound just for current
and no voltage and there is no feed from the Tesla coil to the grenade I would expect
to see a straight voltage winding on one leg.
Sil
Doing this is sometimes easy.
Might come handy for ruslan device - https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg534718/#msg534718
Quote from: worldcup on May 06, 2023, 04:10:02 AM
Original post, taken from here - https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg369992/#msg369992
chinese forum link wont load, instead use this https://web.archive.org/web/20170616115528/http://www.energysea.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1157
Device in action video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvlpi8fATUI
Good day @ all
I did a second build of Ruslan device am about to show you. Am still working on it because it's tripping off each time I increases pulses or voltage supply to Tesla.
This is very important as to how it add current. When current is added it appears that voltage climbs.
It only draws 3amps, butbstill trying to find out why it's tripping off.
https://youtu.be/oC-YP1aDj4Q
Maxolous
It is when I can get it to like 130vdc for the Tesla input that the strong effect manifest. Without which no strong effect in my case anyhow Right now having the problem of tripping.
Maxolous
@maxolous, cheers for progress :D
and so much thanks to keep everyone updated and investing your time/money towards cause of humanity. period
We would love to hear from you as you progress..
Regards
Until I found this topic, somewhere it is on this forum
File then here:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vm2qpd0gprx7krl/self+charging+electric+car+++(working+prototype).mp4/file
I found this on a well-known telegram channel:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/no3kzbhigmlwckm/US_patent_FE_2022.mp4/file
File:
Received from telegram channel:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/46kspvnnnf6jb8j/Energy+moves+through+the+ground+wire.mp4/file
Quote from: Fabon on May 23, 2023, 02:09:27 PM
Received from telegram channel:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/46kspvnnnf6jb8j/Energy+moves+through+the+ground+wire.mp4/file
Nice.
I've seen this i bet.
i think you got from this channel - https://t.me/+xj2RlXS6yTI3NjNi
The video and channel belongs to 'BUNK' if my memory serves well.
Regards
The link you provided is invalid!
Quote from: Fabon on May 24, 2023, 07:04:18 AM
The link you provided is invalid!
Hi,
for me that link works, its telegram group.
i dont use telegram so i cannot join.
Regards
I wonder why no one did this before, just thought for writing down to help newcomers, we all were at one point.
norms:
TPU - Toroidal Power Unit.
ECD - Energy Conversion Device.
PS - Power Supply.
CC - Control Coil.
RE - Radiant Energy.
Seed - The key to start the conversion process.
ZERO - Common pulsing point.
PHASE - Common output point.
SFE - Surface free energy.
FEU - Magentic Motor/Generator unit.
MGUH - Motor Generator Unit Heat.
MEG - Motionless Electromagnetic Generator.
CE - Clean Energy.
AV - Avramenko plug.
CW - Clock wise winding.
CCW - Counter Clock wise winding.
OU - Over unity.
FG- Frequency generator.
LC - Resonant circuit, tank circuit, or tuned circuit.
Grenade/Katcher - Grenade coils are the optimum condition for voltage amplification.
BTG - ? Generator free energy / self loop device, COP greater than input 8)
Regards
Circuit to help newcomers
Captured from telegram channel
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vrtuo45fpausm6k/Kapanadze+and+other+inventors.mp4/file
good one
Quote from: Fabon on May 25, 2023, 01:12:21 PM
Captured from telegram channel
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vrtuo45fpausm6k/Kapanadze+and+other+inventors.mp4/file
Unfortunately guys, there is a whole bunch more to the story. I wish it was really as simple as that video (and my earlier posts) suggest.
Oh well, no one guaranteed our lives would be a walk in the park.
Unfortunately, we humans tend to complicate things for ourselves.
So we often do from a simple fly :)
big elephant!
I will show here
more interesting
Quote from: worldcup on May 24, 2023, 03:54:44 AM
Nice.
I've seen this i bet.
i think you got from this channel - https://t.me/+xj2RlXS6yTI3NjNi (https://t.me/+xj2RlXS6yTI3NjNi)
The video and channel belongs to 'BUNK' if my memory serves well.
Regards
The given link is invalid or expired.
He speaks, explains
https://www.mediafire.com/file/o34b9c8dp0r2bpy/phone+charging+by+kacher.mp4/file
from telegram channel
::) Another method of forming the so-called "free" "increase" is possible only when using radioisotopes!
Verified by personal, and reusable experience.
Do not flatter yourselves, unnecessarily fictional - OU!...
I'll tell you here if possible.
where did the "additive"! / "firewood"! come from in the apparatus of Mr. Kapanadze!
from unavailable sources now
Quote from: GreaT on May 26, 2023, 07:27:35 AM
The given link is invalid or expired.
BUNK posts new telegram link over his forum https://t.me/Abra_kadabrus99
His creepy forum, where he deletes ,edits posts of others every now and then.
whatnot withour members consent, he aswell deletes accounts,
He will completely erase your post and write his own post, members would think it's user created post. But NO, its the freaky admin(Bunk) post.
It happened with me in late days, aswell with others.
NO RULES ATOL - https://hhobro.forum2x2.ru/t1-topic
Quote from: worldcup on May 29, 2023, 01:47:44 AM
BUNK posts new telegram link over his forum https://t.me/Abra_kadabrus99
His creepy forum, where he deletes ,edits posts of others every now and then and whatnot - https://hhobro.forum2x2.ru/t1-topic
Hi,
Agree, that
the owner of the forum has the right to do as he wants!
Nobody forces
come there!
People will always find a reason
be out of balance with others
like how you
Looks loke Fabon=Bunk.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 05:58:50 AM
Looks loke Fabon=Bunk.
Exactly my first thought & mouth of words ;D ;D
you are given useful knowledge just like that without money
have your gratitude to these people
if this knowledge is not clear to you
don't keep your evil on them
your aggression will not do you good
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 10:04:52 AM
you are given useful knowledge just like that without money
have your gratitude to these people
if this knowledge is not clear to you
don't keep your evil on them
your aggression will not do you good
Hi Bunk,
Sorry, but you just post a random things to put more smoke and mirrors and distraction, like Don Smith did.
Don't you have something more useful to do?
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 10:26:39 AM
Hi Bunk,
Sorry, but you just post a random things to put more smoke and mirrors and distraction, like Don Smith did.
Don't you have something more useful to do?
Let it be that way for you personally,
but for others it is more...
I'm interested in
what is useful you personally have my good friend?...
Remember that only good
brings good
Bunk,
I've exposed fake your devices many times. You show the capacitance you transfer to another coil and that's it.
You publish non-your-own schemes, so do something for people and show one real device that you made, but so that everything is shown.
You cheat people who don't know hidden cables because they believe you! You're having fun at their expense. Now you came here to do what you like.
You even have a few followers who still think it's all real.
What can you say in your defense?
Quote from: r2fpl on May 29, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Bunk,
I've exposed fake your devices many times. You show the capacitance you transfer to another coil and that's it.
You publish non-your-own schemes, so do something for people and show one real device that you made, but so that everything is shown.
You cheat people who don't know hidden cables because they believe you! You're having fun at their expense. Now you came here to do what you like.
You even have a few followers who still think it's all real.
What can you say in your defense?
Personally, you lie to people endlessly
but you keep silent about it...
you personally do not FE!
and I hope never will...
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 10:31:11 AM
Remember that only good
brings good
Yes Bunk, so: stop posting disinformation.
Are you having a sick satisfaction out of this?
PS. I already explained mechanism behind COP>1, it is so simple that not everyone gets this.
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg577001/#msg577001
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 10:50:24 AM
PS. I already explained mechanism behind COP>1, it is so simple that not everyone gets this.
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg577001/#msg577001
There is absolutely nothing here!
there is no FE!...
No COP>1!!!
Why argue where there is absolutely nothing!?
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 10:55:45 AM
There is absolutely nothing here!
there is no FE!...
No COP>1!!!
Why argue where there is absolutely nothing!?
It is just compressing large amount of neglible oscillations into a big ones.
Resonator is doing this.
The same way every COP>3 heat pump works, and resonant mechanical punch press works.
See attached.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 11:06:26 AM
It is just compressing large amount of neglible oscillations into a big ones.
Resonator is doing this.
The same way every COP>3 heat pump works, and resonant mechanical punch press works.
See attached.
Resonance of any type does not carry FE!...
even if it is mechanical!
Otherwise, even any transmitter
would be FE!...
because there is resonance with the antenna!
two tuning forks in resonance
don't give us - FE!...
although they are mechanical
extraneous energy
must always be present
to maintain resonance
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 10:46:02 AM
Personally, you lie to people endlessly
but you keep silent about it...
you personally do not FE!
and I hope never will...
I expected such an answer.
You're just confirming what I already know. You will do it endlessly.
You've been told that many times.
You will be pasting more pictures again, just that's what you're interested in.
Your every video is a scam and you know it.
Quote from: r2fpl on May 29, 2023, 11:22:32 AM
I expected such an answer.
You're just confirming what I already know. You will do it endlessly.
You've been told that many times.
You will be pasting more pictures again, just that's what you're interested in.
Your every video is a scam and you know it.
I won't give anything else here.
I will satisfy all your desires!
You will stay like this not grateful!
- A vile person stays like this forever!...
Do you understand COP>3 of a heat pump or air conditioner?
Large amount of low grade heat is converted into smaller amount of useable,high grade heat.
For heat pump example: 100m3 of outside air of 5 deg Celsius ( 5 degree C is not very useable for heating your home, isn't it?), into 10m3 of 35 degC air .
The same principle Tesla Magnifier works.
Tesla secondary is a slow wave resonator, feeding harmonically into that resonator low amplitude signal of higher frequency- results in expotential rise of accumulated energy (amplitude squared), that could be discharged at much lower frequency.
So,, it is not any "free energy" or Overunity.
It is just clever way of converting low grade, othervise not useable energy into a high grade useable energy.
In Tesla style magnification we just need a resonator and a generator or LC circuit to produce harmonic oscillations .
You charge capacitor , once it discharges into the coil-oscillations are "for free" ;) .
PS.
I don't need anything from you Mr. Bunk /aka Fabon. Because you don't have nothing except disinformation.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 11:27:45 AM
I won't give anything else here.
I will satisfy all your desires!
You will stay like this not grateful!
- A vile person stays like this forever!...
You're saying the same thing again. This is not meanness but the truth.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
I don't need anything from you Mr. Bunk /aka Fabon. Because you don't have nothing except disinformation.
Cheers,
Pix
Exactly.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
Do you understand COP>3 of a heat pump or air conditioner?
Large amount of low grade heat is converted into smaller amount of useable,high grade heat.
For heat pump example: 100m3 of outside air of 5 deg Celsius ( 5 degree C is not very useable for heating your home, isn't it?), into 10m3 of 35 degC air .
The same principle Tesla Magnifier works.
Tesla secondary is a slow wave resonator, feeding harmonically into that resonator low amplitude signal of higher frequency- results in expotential rise of accumulated energy (amplitude squared), that could be discharged at much lower frequency.
So,, it is not any "free energy" or Overunity.
It is just clever way of converting low grade, othervise not useable energy into a high grade useable energy.
In Tesla style magnification we just need a resonator and a generator or LC circuit to produce harmonic oscillations .
You charge capacitor , once it discharges into the coil-oscillations are "for free" ;) .
Cheers,
Pix
The problem is that it won't. You have 1Mhz and that makes 1W. If you reduce the frequency to 1kHz you still have 1W.
Yes or no ?
Quote from: r2fpl on May 29, 2023, 11:39:12 AM
You're saying the same thing again. This is not meanness but the truth.
"Truth" that satisfies
Your personal fake wishes are here!
Quote from: r2fpl on May 29, 2023, 11:44:55 AM
The problem is that it won't. You have 1Mhz and that makes 1W. If you reduce the frequency to 1kHz you still have 1W.
Yes or no ?
If you feed 1Mhz with let's say 1mV amplitude signal into resonator, after 10 oscillations amplitude in the resonator will rise to 10mV, energy accumulated after that 10 periods will be 10 squared=100.
After 100 periods, amplitude on resonator is 100mV, energy accumulated 100 squared= 10000.
After 1000 periods, amplitude on resonator is 1V, energy accumulated 1000 squared is 10exp6.
ect...
So, if you discharge resonator at 1kHz rate, you will have 1V voltage and quite large energy accumulated.
That's why Tesla named it "Magnifier".
it is intristic property of a resonator to accumulate energy that you feed harmonically into it, untill it will break loose.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 11:58:46 AM
If you feed 1Mhz with let's say 1mV amplitude signal into resonator, after 10 oscillations amplitude in the resonator will rise to 10mV, energy accumulated after that 10 periods will be 10 squared=100.
After 100 periods, amplitude on resonator is 100mV, energy accumulated 100 squared= 10000.
ect...
That's why Tesla named it "Magnifier".
it is intristic property of a resonator to accumulate energy that you feed harmonically into it, untill it will break loose.
Yes, but that's not what I meant.
You need heat exchanger or in this case a method of condensing distributed free energy oscillations of very high frequency aka ambient medium aka white noise. Tesla did it using many inventions combined. In all cases like in heat pump it must work in a circle closed loop.
Quote from: forest on May 29, 2023, 12:10:30 PM
You need heat exchanger or in this case a method of condensing distributed free energy oscillations of very high frequency aka ambient medium aka white noise. Tesla did it using many inventions combined. In all cases like in heat pump it must work in a circle closed loop.
Yes.
The trick is to convert that accumulated energy of high frequency and high potential into more useable for us, lower frequency and voltage.
In Kapanadze Turkey presentation , we see three Tesla coils simply discharging into three tall structures.
I bet those three tall structures are capacitive step down HV transformers.
Rate of Tesla coil discharge is our low frequency.
Quote from: pix on May 29, 2023, 05:58:50 AM
Looks loke Fabon=Bunk.
Are you suppose so?
About that these pictures?
And what book is it from?
Fabon
This is not a person who can ban people at Forum
Only remove things from moderated topic he hosted
You have violated many rules here
Not good
Chet
Hi, Fabon aka BUNK.
Let's forget past and start a new beginning.
Share your knowledge, your device working principal if it's truely working OU type device.
Whining will bring on anger, bitterness, irritability and increases susceptibility. BUNK when you find yourself in "complaining-mode",
stop for a second, feel the emotion, let it run through you and then find a reason to flip the switch and move forward towards infinite possibilities.
Everyone needs to be given a voice and be encouraged to actively participate to a positive working environment. Each kid is unique,
each child is special, every kid is beautiful and so are you @BUNK.
Quote"When you complain, you make yourself a victim. Leave the situation, change the situation, or accept it. All else is madness." - Eckhart Tolle
Regards
Quote from: kolbacict on May 30, 2023, 02:34:57 AM
Are you suppose so?
About that these pictures?
And what book is it from?
https://www.twirpx.com/file/941403/
Fundamentals of the structure of matter from the point of view of the authors, Bolotov B.V., Bolotova N.A., Bolotov M.B., Bolotov I.M., 2009Cannot attach due to file size, uploaded on random host - https://file.io/8FTqMtvOqmeB
Quote from: worldcup on May 30, 2023, 10:55:18 AM
https://www.twirpx.com/file/941403/
Fundamentals of the structure of matter from the point of view of the authors, Bolotov B.V., Bolotova N.A., Bolotov M.B., Bolotov I.M., 2009
Cannot attach due to file size, uploaded on random host - https://file.io/8FTqMtvOqmeB
Old link is not working anymore, here is new - https://anonymfile.com/2qPx1/wcup.pdf
Why does anyone come forward to share their knowledge get backlash.
All message i see is ,it's fake ,how he faked it ,free energy don't exist blah blah.
Let's keep a open mind .
It is upto bunk to share his technology or not ,he is here maybe to help us or give his taught or not,he might have spend years researching his invention,we should respect each others work
Another Russian technology 12 kw
@justawatt, good to see you back online after a whole year or so.. :D
What kept you busy! ;) done any success with your don smith device ?
QuoteAnother Russian technology 12 kw
You got HD image of schematic! any device video link or reference would be great.
anything more,ty..
EDIT:
some info i could gather, it belongs to guy named 'Alexander' , more info and video over here - https://energyscience.ru/topic423-546.html#p39565
Regards
Quote from: worldcup on May 31, 2023, 02:51:31 AM
Old link is not working anymore, here is new - https://anonymfile.com/2qPx1/wcup.pdf (https://anonymfile.com/2qPx1/wcup.pdf)
I briefly went through that book.
I would put it into "popular science" shelf.
I must say, it contains many controversial content. Theoretical divagations disconnected from real world.
Example: two windings on one core, side by side, same amount of winds, one wound opposite with thicker inductor. Authors claim that indictance of such doublet will be zero ,but magnetic flux nonzero. They claim this setup for wonders of many phenomena described in that book, as they claim this setup can work regardless of frequency.
They state that inductance of the coil do not depends from wire diameter, if number of turns are the same.
Well, that's not true.
Thicker wire over the same magnetic core , at given amount of turns results- coil length longer, coil outside diameter bigger, distance between turns bigger, resistance of such coil is smaller and that will lead to stronger current flowing in that paralell branch of doublet coils. And this directly affects inductance. So , winding mirror coil with a thicker wire will give different inductance than the same coil with thinner wire. Overall inductance of such doublet will be not zero and magnetic flux not zero.
Please check on any good coil inductance calculator:
Multi-Layer Coil Inductance Calculator (electronbunker.ca) (http://electronbunker.ca/eb/InductanceCalcML.html)
Coil32 - Multilayer coil calculator (https://coil32.net/online-calculators/multilayer-coil-calculator.html)
Multi layer air coil design and calculator (circuits.dk) (https://www.circuits.dk/calculator_multi_layer_aircore.htm)
Authors are taking simplistic assumptions on very beginning, and they build a controversial theories on such shaky foundation.
Althrough there is a simple solution to this, how to minimise inductance of such paralell connected contrawound coils doublet.
PS.I forgot to add another factor that autors completely omitted , that in such coils arrangement inductances of the coils will add up, it is the mutual inductance between them that introduces a negative contribution and may lower total inductance.
Cheers,
Pix
If I may suggest ( strongly)
It is never good to engage a member who has no
Access to retort !
"At the moment" terms of service violations have removed
Person from posting ,
Unfortunately world has no luxury of time to fight amongst ourselves
Open source community has experimenters willing to try or discuss ideas ( Justawatt above and many more)
Many open source members/builders with decades of trying to loop things ..( independent of batteries,power supplies etc etc LOOPED and running with gain ..
As of this moment no "open source" looped device has been independently replicated!
For clarity
We ( the world) needs this ASAP (100 years ago)
If person ...can present experiments for replication?
Which show anomalous gain ?
I believe we can try again!
Also I don't think previously angry person understands this forum and
It's many builders boards ( perhaps he doe's understand and has purpose?)
Each board is run by individual who is completely unattached to administration
This feature is unique to a few open source forums !
The only rules are no violation of terms of service ( yes recently there have been issues
By certain member that completely breached forum terms of service, which have jeopardized
Forums public access .. that is ongoing issue which hopefully will not result in forum
Going to read only)
Let's see if this can continue ( No flamewars etc )
Honestly I am uncertain as I have been trying to get opinions
And answers vary..
And I am not administrator .
Perhaps Fabon can contact Stefan
Quote from: Fabon on May 29, 2023, 10:31:11 AM
Let it be that way for you personally,
but for others it is more...
I'm interested in
what is useful you personally have my good friend?...
Remember that only good
brings good
Being an old guy myself, I recognize someone that walks the walk.
You have given way more than anyone could possibly ask.
Getting old has some benefits, you can't hear the noise like you could
when you were young. You also know what to care about and what to
ignore.
I sincerely want to thank you. You have earned another friend if you
want it.
@Dog-One, agree with him.
Very True.
BUNK aka Fabon, i appreciate your contributions although that was deleted/denied/backlash by many in past and made you left the forum scene.
Welcome to Give Back to Humanity. There is nothing more rewarding than to share our talents, skills, and resources in the cause of helping others.
I'm sure you will share the technology and make this world proud and rise up to some extent.
You or anyone giving such technology/knowledge would never be forgotten by mankind.
QuoteI sincerely want to thank you. You have earned another friend if you want it.
- same here..
Regards
Pathetic.
You are begging a con man .
Compare his "device" on the beginning, with the later device presentations and then with informations he was giving on russian forums and here on OU.
Complete hit-and-miss. Wide spectrum of random stuff.
For me it is a proof he has nothing of value.
And having a sick fun when posting disinformation.
That's my opinion.
Cheers,
Pix
???
Free Electricity and Heating up to 1 MW from the Small Box.
original video is taken down - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySEqZC5HwRA
someone uploaded with schematic
Another TK alike device !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMofjRITeM
From video description:
Schemes of how to assemble a generator - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11PFVnxKQ0v2ucTwr5VklyhZ77GjXTaDB/view
Quote from: worldcup on June 12, 2023, 12:40:53 PM
???
Free Electricity and Heating up to 1 MW from the Small Box.
original video is taken down - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySEqZC5HwRA
someone uploaded with schematic
Another TK alike device !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMofjRITeM
From video description:
Schemes of how to assemble a generator - https://drive.google.com/file/d/11PFVnxKQ0v2ucTwr5VklyhZ77GjXTaDB/view
Gone through the document these are very old documents by stalker.
The circuit are basic Ruslan circuit and has nothing to do with it.
The power of the unit was less than 15 watts.
QuoteGone through the document these are very old documents by stalker.
The circuit are basic Ruslan circuit and has nothing to do with it.
The power of the unit was less than 15 watts.
@ justawatt,
Hi,
Glad to know it's already been learned ;)
Thank you.
Regards
Quote from: Dog-One on April 09, 2023, 03:11:33 PM
Thank you Wesley for the valuable information. I was positive you
knew things that were vital for this project//
What I did not expect is for you to openly post the
relevant information so freely.
Has something changed?
As in this information can no longer cause any harm regardless of how it is used?Or based on your bolded statement, is there still one more vital piece of
information necessary?
And if the latter is true, can you at least
provide a hint as to where to look for this unacknowledged energy
source?
I would assume this source is not available to many based
on locality. True statement?
I went over some of your comments.
You are Ham, fluent, using typical in that field vocabulary.
Your age is no problem , everyone will go there, and youth is a temporary state of mind and body.
In regards to : " The individual in question" :
I have very accurate information , you don't have. Plus I know the language the culture, the events- you may not be familiar with.
-wrong conclusion is to be corrected yet I assume.__________________________________________
As far as answer: to the above quote:
When there is a time , emotion, willingness and freedom for me to share( due to obligations)
- there is also a need for the
receiver to acknowledge the value.
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg580440/#msg580440 (https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg580440/#msg580440)I exist as value to these who see it in me.
That is for me important line you have missed or competently disregarded .
I feel discomfort - and some sort of comfort is needed for me to talk, educate, inform and advice the unknown to me audience
including you.
Yes I have a lot to say, answer explain .
I'm capable of presenting the device in working condition even tonight if my partner say OK.(that is why my YouTube has no videos for 3 years now) -to much information already given out.here is the last one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5xQOJHlrU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5xQOJHlrU)
I hope it helpsWesley
Breakthrough.
[2307.12008] The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor (arxiv.org) (https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008)
Researchers Claim They Developed a Room-Temperature Superconductor (thequantuminsider.com) (https://thequantuminsider.com/2023/07/26/researchers-claim-they-developed-a-room-temperature-superconductor/)
Cheers,
Pix