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Here is a very new and strange device.

I just saw it on youtube and made a backup copy.

It seems to be some kind of simular device to the Kapanadze device.
It seems to extract its power also from the ground somehow, when
I understood it right.
But it seems they use a frequency of around 957.4 Hz or something like this.

They have strange panels made from Aluminium and Bismuth interwooven with coils..

Here is the video:

more info:
http://www.freewebs.com/narfschwartz/

For information please contact:
Dr. James B. Schwartz
narf1933@yahoo.com 

Regards,

Dan

hrmmm... I wonder how they obtain the frequency to extract the energy from the ground I sure hope some of our ground or earth energy folks are looking into this it seems way too simplistic maybe real who knows ...

But from my observation the dress style looks a bit last century ...

Not to say folks don't dress like that today...

Also it looks as if it is a VHS dub just some simple observations but the more people laying claims the more people invest research into stuff like this...

 Interesting that Bismuth and Aluminum are being used. Is the Aluminum being setup with eddy currents? Bismuth is diamagnetic which would be repulsing the eddy currents.

Just my observation, it almost looks like at 1:07 in the video and 1:11 that the coils are connected in parallel with two leads coming off each side. He also mentions that there are cutouts in the aluminum where I assume the coils are placed.

It looks 3 layered: solid bismuth, then aluminum with holes cutout for coils then another layer of solid bismuth. Very hard to tell where the ground is connected to.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4570.0

Quote from: Dansway on July 26, 2009, 11:27:35 PM
more info:
http://www.freewebs.com/narfschwartz/

Dan

Dan,
Your opening page is beautifully written.
EDIT: not the same Dan. See below for correction...
The way he re-told the hundredth monkey story is excellent.


I will post the last 2 paragraphs here for the sake of a lot of hope in our future!

====

"The Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon shows that when enough people are aware of something, the rest of us will also become aware as well. This simple concept that has restored my appreciation and love we have for ourselves and others can create an expanding energy field and a growing power in the world. This radical new support is what I needed to give me hope to offset the doomsday stories of world pollution.

   

There’s no need to feel helpless when we have the power to make changes by joining together and raising our voices in unison. There is more power in numbers than we ever hoped for. I call on everyone doing energy research to not only join together, but to work together and spread these messages to the world. We can be the bearers of a new vision to save the earth. We can dispel the old destructive myths and replace them with the truth that new kinds of energy are here now and are essential to continued life on our planet." quote from http://www.freewebs.com/narfschwartz/

thank you,

jeanna

QuoteDan,
Your opening page is beautifully written.
The way you re-told the hundredth monkey story is excellent.
Thank you.
I will post the last 2 paragraphs here for the sake of a lot of hope in our future!

Jeanna, I only posted the website after I did a search for the Dr.'s name.  It's not my website.

~Dan

Should be fairly easy to test one would think.

Some aluminum foil and some bismuith along with some fine copper coils ...

If it works it should generate something no matter what even the smallest amount of votlage..

Build an oscillator circuit to run at an an adjustable rate from say 700 - 1100mhz

I've seen crazy stuff tested here before this may work who knows...

Maybe not though too who knows I know there is a lot of big claims around that have yet to show solid proof it may be another one or it may be just what we need.

Here is an interview with James Ben Schwartz with Bill Alek:

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=The%20%20Progressive%20Technology%20Hour%20with%20William%20Alek&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/vortex-net-tech/Dec-13-2008-at-11-00AM---Vortex-Net-Technology.mp3


Here is Mr. Schwartz´s yahoogroup:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/noahsarkenergyresearch

Regards, Stefan.

Posted with Permission from Dr. Schwartz:

Information Sheet about ERR

For many years I have been experimenting with new materials that support electromagnetic wave propagation in ways that are not observed in nature. Other research teams around the world are doing similar experiments that also backup this theory. I have been able to create materials that support this type of effect for light and other electromagnetic waves. Even some physicists are starting to challenge what was thought to be the basic laws of nature. Many of the hard-nosed skeptics are finding it increasingly more difficult to disprove the left-hand rule.

In nature, all materials seem to obey the right-hand rule. The fingers of the right hand represent the waves of the electric field, and when you curl the fingers around to the base of the hand, this represents the magnetic field; the outstretched thumb indicates the direction of the flow of power

Back in 1968 a Russian theorist; V.G. Veselago had predicted that new materials could be engineered to interact with our environment, which is just the opposite of how natural materials react. In 2000, researchers at the University of California-San Diego (UCSD) confirmed this, creating what's known as the first "left-handed" material. A special team at UCSD created material that caused fields to move to the left even though the electromagnetic energy moved to the right. The light waves produced in this material also produced an inverted Doppler effect. Researchers at MIT and the University of Delaware, is also exploring left-handed media.

We are now discovering that the things we held to be inviolable can in fact, be violated under certain conditions. Many research teams are already able to build structures that support this theory.

Much of my research over the past 17 years has proved that these new kinds of materials can cause different affects when it comes to magnetic fields. I’m already using left-handed material in my ERR (Electromagnetic Radiation Receiver) experiments. I’ve proven this theory with my ERR prototype. Lawrence Rayburn a researcher of electromagnetic fields has also proved this theory with his left-hand wound coils. Even though some of us have proven the left-hand theory, no one seems to want to admit that we have disproved one of the sacred laws of nature. 

You’ll find the drawing of my special experimental Flux Power Station in the Noah’s Ark Research Foundation folder in photos.. A special frequency generator is used to induce a series of alternating frequencies to create a flow of electrons when activating the magnetic flux field. This theory is still in the experimental stages so I still have a lot of research and testing for safety and other factors. 

The secret is in the material used, the size of the wire and the number of turns plus the frequency and how you alternate that frequency. There are many combinations that will allow you to get small amounts of electrons to flow.




I finished a simple set of drawings for my first 160,000 watt power station. I don’t want to release my blueprints because it might fall into the wrong hands. These simple drawings and information is not enough for other research organizations to copy our technology.

We still need to build the first prototype and test it over a period of time to make sure it’s safe and to fix any bugs that we might find. The smaller model worked very well but we don’t know how the bigger one will work until it’s built and tested.
 
This ERR Flux Power Station is designed to run a large house or you can add more Flux Power Vaults which is 10,000 watts or more each if you need more power. It can even be built big enough for a factory or a whole community of houses.

I’ve already started building the first prototype in the basement of our house in the Philippines. My crew has already poured the cement for the chambers. The copper and fiberglass tracks with all the electrical contacts where the Flux Plates slide into place are being built in our machine shop. After the chambers are finished and the cement is cured the tracks will be bolted into place. The cement work will take about two weeks to finish the 16 chambers. By then the first 10 tracks will be ready to install. Each Flux Power Plate as it’s finished will be slid into place and tested to make sure it’s making proper contact. After all 10 Flux Power Plates have been slid into place and tested we can bolt the airtight chamber vault door into place. Then we will be ready to test the o-rings with a vacuum pump. After the chamber has passed the vacuum test we can pressure-rise the chamber to 1.5 psi with a special gas. Then the first chamber will be ready to go on line producing 10 to 18,000 Watts DC power. The reason we’re not sure of the exact output is because we are developing new left-handed materials that could possible increase the output by as much as eight times. As each new chamber comes on line I can disassemble my older smaller ERR units. My older ERR units have become more bothersome and costly to maintain over the years.

The new Flux Power Plates should be maintenance free for many years (I hope). As we develop newer and better Power Plates the older Plates can be easily replaced by shutting down one chamber at a time.

After the frequency generator is shut down going to that chamber then the cover can be removed exposing the plates. If the new Flux Power Plates are the same thickness then the old plates are simply slid out and the new plates slid into place. If the new plates are thicker or thinner then the tracks will need to be replaced. After replacing the plates the o-rings on the vault door is replaced and the cover is bolted back on. The chamber will be vacuum tested and if no leaks are found then the chamber can be pressure-rised to 1.5 psi with a special gas and the frequency generator can be turned on. After output is tested the chamber is ready to be added to the power station.       
 
Drawing # 1 shows the chambers without the airtight covers. The chamber holds ten Flux Power Plates that are 48” X 48” X 4” which can produce 1,000 to as high 8,000 watts each depending on the Plates. As we design newer left-handed materials that support electromagnetic wave propagation we will be able to increase the power output. Each chamber is designed with special slots and electrical connectors to connect to the Flux Power Plates when they are slid into position in the chamber. The reason for individual chambers is so that the whole system need not be shut down in case of a Flux Plate burn out. One chamber can be shut down to replace one or more burnt Plates without shutting down the whole Power Station. It also shows the frequency and power lines. The lines coming from the frequency generator going into the chamber and the heavy DC output lines use the same sealed system.

Drawing #2 is basically the same as #1except it shows the gas lines going to each chamber and it has the covers bolted into place. Each vault has an airtight cement cover to seal the chamber so that we can extract all the air and fill the chamber with a special gas at a pressure of 1.5 psi. These covers with their o-ring seals are very important so that no air can leak into the chamber. Any oxygen in the chamber can cause flash burns between the plates. It also shows the electrical lines going from each vault to the main power box.

Drawing #3 shows a front and side view of the Flux Power Plates.   

Drawing #4 shows one of the inner aluminium plates which is different from the two outer solid aluminum plates. Each of these inner plates has 144 slots that are cut to 10 ½ X 2 ½ cm where 144 special coils are inserted. 
 
DRAWING #5 is a close up of the ten Flux Power Plates and the tracks.

James

Here are some photos of a smaller ERR device from Dr. Schwartz:

Here is the earlier work of Dr. Schwartz and his NoahsArk Foundation team,
a 25 Watts free energy generator.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/185052/1049634

Here is a backup copy of it on youtube:



He told us:

It’s similar to Tom Bearden’s MEG except that it doesn’t need an external power supply to switch the magnetic fields. It uses a very powerful magnet with a special circuit board that contains a new hi-tech chip to switch the magnetic fields. It also contains ultra-thin graphite sheets called graphene. Using a very sensitive technique, we were able to separate the individual sheets of carbon atoms that are layered on top of one another in graphite. These layers are electrically conducting because they contain electrons that are free to roam across each layer. In the graphene, the charge carrying particles act as if they’re without mass, or weight. In this respect they’re more like photon particles that convey light than like electrons.

What are Metamaterials:

http://people.ee.duke.edu/~drsmith/about_metamaterials.html

Left handed materials:

http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/whatis.html

Could it be that these special materials could  have an
inverted Lentz law ?
So drawing power from the secondary of a transformer
will use less power on the primary ?
Maybe this is shown here ?

So is this some kind of overunity transformer with a huge COP factor ?

Quote from: hartiberlin on July 28, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
What are Metamaterials:

http://people.ee.duke.edu/~drsmith/about_metamaterials.html

Left handed materials:

http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/whatis.html

Could it be that these special materials could  have an
inverted Lentz law ?
So drawing power from the secondary of a transformer
will use less power on the primary ?
Maybe this is shown here ?

So is this some kind of overunity transformer with a huge COP factor ?

Do you think we could use wire glue?  It is composed of nanocarbon tubes!

Hartiberlin, Can you tell me where you got this information from? It is my understanding that this was NOT ready for public release and only a few of us had access to the original information.

Thank You,

Harvey

Quote from: Harvey on July 29, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Hartiberlin, Can you tell me where you got this information from? It is my understanding that this was NOT ready for public release and only a few of us had access to the original information.

Thank You,

Harvey

Wouldn't you want this information out?  What do you mean only  few of us had access?  This site is dedicated to finding free energy and giving it/inventing it for all for free!  If people are hiding info or tech. then they shouldn't be here! 

I got permission from Dr. Schwartz to post it over here.

He emailed me several times and I joined his yahoogroups.

Hope this helps.

This is amazing. That suitcase would pretty much ruin the luggage capacity of my bicycle, but even really conservative speed estimates for 4 horsepower tell me I'll be needing a motorcycle helmet and suit! A professional cyclist won't last longer than half an hour or so putting out 0.5hp.

If the plates were placed inside the front triangle of the bicycle frames, aerodynamics would be served well, and there's plenty of room here and there for the various other parts. The electric engine can sit in the rear hub. Power will need to be applied very carefully. Even my legs make wheelies hard to avoid during a mountainbike race start, being a few seconds at merely 1hp.

Will this be attemptedly commercialized, or open sourced? I hope soon bicycle-sized units can be made somewhat affordably...

What weight would a unit be for a car-sized unit, compared to batteries? Unlimited mileage...

Quote from: hartiberlin on July 29, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
I got permission from Dr. Schwartz to post it over here.

He emailed me several times and I joined his yahoogroups.

Hope this helps.

Hi Harti

very good device
can we buy a prototype ? the little one ?

   You all should take note of what is said on the main page of their web page.  They dont intend to fight with large companies to market it here (usa). It will mostly be put to use in small countries. They are in the Philippines so that they can be left alone and not be badgered by big oil and the likes. Its the same old story no matter where you  go.  Status Quo.
   But dang straights, if you could get a unit for a bike, we would most likely start riding them. I would. I have been looking into different systems and the best mileage I have seen so far is Eco Bike. It has a frame mounted motor and transfer system and is touted to go 100 miles per charge. I am not plugging them at all cause it will set you back $1400 not including the bike. Which should be a recumbant by the way. I cant peddle any more so I am shafted there.
   In the end, he wants to make money from the idea. Most do. Being that they are a "foundation", they cannot directly sell you a unit. You can buy the rights to produce and sell them your self. At that point, then you become the point of interest to big oil. Sad huh?

thaelin

Quote from: Thaelin on July 30, 2009, 08:47:25 AM
   You all should take note of what is said on the main page of their web page.  They dont intend to fight with large companies to market it here (usa). It will mostly be put to use in small countries. They are in the Philippines so that they can be left alone and not be badgered by big oil and the likes. Its the same old story no matter where you  go.  Status Quo.

Small countries are not allowed to develop. If they do, their resources can not be plundered. When do these people/inventors learn they can not even begin to make money from free-energy?

How long before we hear this device is fake or the thread goes dead?

I've been in contact with James Schwartz hell of a guy it seems...

Anyhow his plans are not to sell out to big business but instead give the device to the people so lets get that much straight.

If he swings up to Canada in the near future as he plans he asked if he could stop by I said without a doubt he is more then welcome to swing on over.

So lets not try and slam the fella who has been working at tech like this for 17 years.

Thank you much and enjoy! The future may not be as bleak as some may think hang in there folks I truely understand why everyone has doubt but this time lets just cut the guy a break.

For reference purposes he will allow viewing of the device to be done once things are final anyone can then view the device at his research facility!

Take Care folks just figure I would share.

i am happy to fly to the philipines to see what they have now.
My only concern at this stage (and its the sceptic comming out of me) is the demo's are very short. I am sad to say it would be very easy to make a device in a suitcase to do that.
However 17 years is a long time.
So Stephan...put it to him that I am happy to fly there and have a look and report back to everyone what I find. I am happy to sign an NDA
Mark

Well I spoke with Dr. Schwartz yesterday and did ask him about the early release of this information and he confirmed that he had shared it with Stephen and gave his permission to publish it here. But he also expressed his concern regarding the safety of its operation. In other words, it still has some small quirks he is working on that may pose safety issues, he's been zapped and evidently while not touching anything.

I suppose now that the cat is out of the bag, I can share that I have seen this device personally and what you see in the video is exactly what I saw in person. There is one thing in particular that I noticed that many may miss. There are no wires connecting the panels to the control circuitry. When you see those switches being pushed down and the lights going off you know for sure that the control circuitry is controlling the panels somehow. But the only wires from the panels go directly down to the power distribution box that the lamps are plugged into. You can see this in the video. Clearly, those panels are the only source of power for those lights. The lamp I inspected had what looked like a factory label that read "800W" and appeared to be an automotive style spotlamp with huge candlepower. It definitely gets hot fast.

Now we have both skeptics and believers among us. The skeptics will no doubt claim that those panels could be filled with cell phone batteries while the believers will base their understanding on prior works of Tesla, Moray and Marks. My advice to the skeptics is "move along, nothing to see here", while the believers, if they are patient are encouraged to join Dr. Schwartz's Yahoo Groups and await further information as it is provided.

Yours Truly,

The Hundredth Monkey....(maybe) ;-)

To Harvey
At what voltage were the 800 watt light bulbs operated at 12 volts or 120 volts or ?.He has
12 coils per panel,the coils are really a transformer,having a primary and secondary,
he has to wire the secondaries  in parallel ,series or a combination.The primary is pulsed the
secondary is the output,the wire is gold plated
wire it looks to be about 30 gauge,that does not carry too much current.
I believe it works but I don't believe it outputs this level of power,
more like 1,000 watts for all three panels.He made  thousands of the
rod device some were 900 watts output,in japan,the government destroyed them all.
Why did the government destroy them theres something fishy here.

  Look, wires are only defining a maximum current they can carry, but you can extract exact amount of power with 10V and 100A and with 1000V and 1A(with proper isolation :)). Even the smallest copper wires you can find in 12V relays can carry about 2 amps! So i think that ERR can power a 6kW loads with ease.

Sorry if this has been explored before,  but the last 2 or 3 years of many people trying to replicate the SM TPU with various coils made me wonder if there is something to this left-hand winding of the coils.  Anyone wind there coils this manner?   What effect does a left-handed winding have?

quote from the good Dr from earlier post.

" Much of my research over the past 17 years has proved that these new kinds of materials can cause different affects when it comes to magnetic fields. I’m already using left-handed material in my ERR (Electromagnetic Radiation Receiver) experiments. I’ve proven this theory with my ERR prototype. Lawrence Rayburn a researcher of electromagnetic fields has also proved this theory with his left-hand wound coils. Even though some of us have proven the left-hand theory, no one seems to want to admit that we have disproved one of the sacred laws of nature."

Bill

Hi Harvey,
did you look into the suitcase box or only
from a few meters away ?

Maybe you missed some connections ?

I can not believe what you say.

There must be probably some kind of excitation
from the controller box to the panels ?

Maybe all output coils from the
panels were in parallel to support a higher current at
12 Volts ?

Or did you see a transformer in the box there, so the output from
the coils was probably high voltage and low current and
a impedance transformer was used to power these car lamps ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Ok, looks like three of our forum members are in touch with Dr. So would it be possible to arrange a demo ?

We are desperate for free energy, look at these forums, thousands of threads and ideas, but nothing useful so far.

One needs to go and bring back a working model, I hope he won't mind. Replicating from bits and pieces of information and a few diagrams always leads to failure. People give up and move on.

The output voltage and frequency of the panels in not consistant - there is a lot of interaction not only between each other but with the natural fluctuations in the earths electrical field which is affected in part by large power grids. IIRC, the output was considered to be pulsed low voltage ~12V - but this could just be an average value. AFAIK, there are no filters on the output stage, so the lamps were taking the energy as it was delivered. The lower voltage, higher current is somewhat supported in the fact that during the initial filming the unit was left running while the camera man tried to find a way to reduce the lens-halo glare. I don't know the time frame involved, but I do know that the wire used was standard household zip cord, 16AWG stranded which was attached to heavier gauge spotlamp leads. During that longer run the insulation on the smaller wires began to melt from the over current.

Please keep in mind that the video was made as a proof of concept and that the device is a research prototype far from any production device ready for detailed scrutiny. Also please note that Dr. Schwartz cannot disclose all the details of its operation at this time because of current agreements that need to be fulfilled.

It is my understanding that the group involved with this research made a decision to allow public feedback on the concept without giving out information that could endanger anyone should they try and build one. I think one of the problems is that the system seems sensitive to EM discharges (lightning) even when it is miles away and the operation of the early devices near certain electronic circuity has been known to cause damage. This particular device however, was run relatively close to a nearby TV-Monitor as well as my cell phone, my wife's cell phone and possibly other things unknown to me. My cell phones work fine...although the batteries have needed replaced o.O J/K - we have 5 here of that same model, 3 of which were not present at the demonstration. Out of the 5, only 3 needed replaced and my battery was not one of them ;-)

I do not recall seeing any gold plating on the wires, keep in mind that some fresh copper wire has a yellowish tint depending on the purity and the protective coating used.

Another important factor to keep in mind here is that the panels themselves are large thermal dissipation surfaces, so even if the coil wires were running above their rated amperage it is quite likely that they would not fail. Also, IIRC, there are two or four output windings on each coil. It is possible that the actual power being delivered in electrical terms may only be 120W per panel, but the way the energy flows the lamps respond to it as if it were 800W of DC - I don't know. 12 cores wrapped with four 28AWG coils could easily support that possibility with no problem.

Even if it were 120W per panel it would  be a huge advancement in technology. But remember, Dr. Schwartz is working in an entirely new field where left is right and right is left with regards to how the magnetic forces work with the materials. So for us to try and apply conventional theory to what he has accomplished may be a futile exercise. The real question here, for me is: "Can I light up my house with the same candle power by using this device instead?" I'm ready to try it. All the overhead lights in my house are on a single circuit (including an inductive ceiling fan). It would be an easy thing for me to convert that circuit over to this device and do some field testing. In fact, I would only need a single panel unit, as the maximum on my overheads (excluding the fan) is about 900W total and we never have them all on at once. All I need is the go ahead from the group and I'll get the ball rolling on that.

I don't think I'm supposed to get this excited all at once - I might have to chill out and visit Farmville to settle down - oddly relaxing game as long as you don't have to deal with Zynga's customer service. :) Seems the whole world is in BETA test mode - bleagh.

Cheers,

8)

Hi Stefan,

The device I viewed is the same one in the first video in this thread, the large black device not the smaller silver or yellow suitcase models.

I did not see any transformer, and if you look, you will see that just a couple of thick wires run down to a 3 outlet distribution box. Those outlets are just two wire ungrounded standard North American AC outlets. Tucked up inside on the left you will see a white block with a wound coil, it is thin. Somehow this is used to help control the system and I think that is part of the proprietary information that Dr. Schwartz cannot share with us. You can see the hinge pin for the lid, there is no way for any wires to go inside of it, there are none outside the case, so the only wires are those that run from the panels to the outlets. I suppose those 3 interlock switches (that shut off if you close the lid) could each be tied to a different RF circuit and each panel tuned to that frequency somehow...or even some sort of RF switch in the distribution box? That's a small box, I just don't think there is enough room in there, so the recievers would need to be in the panels somewhere. However he did it, those lights are controlled by those switches wirelessly.

The demonstration was not intended for skeptical analysis, so I did not take any measurements. I figured that time would come when they actually reached a point for public consumption. I suppose the voltage could be all over the map there, and as long as the duty cycle was short enough, the lamps would handle it. I didn't hear of any arcing in the lamps or the outlets, so I don't think the voltage exceeds the maximum gaps on those.

Cheers,

8)

Quote from: Cloxxki on July 29, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
This is amazing. That suitcase would pretty much ruin the luggage capacity of my bicycle, but even really conservative speed estimates for 4 horsepower tell me I'll be needing a motorcycle helmet and suit! A professional cyclist won't last longer than half an hour or so putting out 0.5hp.

If the plates were placed inside the front triangle of the bicycle frames, aerodynamics would be served well, and there's plenty of room here and there for the various other parts. The electric engine can sit in the rear hub. Power will need to be applied very carefully. Even my legs make wheelies hard to avoid during a mountainbike race start, being a few seconds at merely 1hp.

Will this be attemptedly commercialized, or open sourced? I hope soon bicycle-sized units can be made somewhat affordably...

What weight would a unit be for a car-sized unit, compared to batteries? Unlimited mileage...

If I understand how this works, it is geocentric and will lose it's syncronization (referred to as 'grounding' in the video) if put in motion. So the best that could be hoped for is a battery charger when the vehicle stops for a certain period of time and is 'grounded' to that location. Look inside that box, its full of air ;-)
(Dr. Schwartz used the box to transport the lamps and extra parts all in foam protection, otherwise I'm sure it would have been much smaller).

8)

Quote from: infringer on July 26, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
hrmmm... I wonder how they obtain the frequency to extract the energy from the ground I sure hope some of our ground or earth energy folks are looking into this it seems way too simplistic maybe real who knows ...

But from my observation the dress style looks a bit last century ...

Not to say folks don't dress like that today...

Also it looks as if it is a VHS dub just some simple observations but the more people laying claims the more people invest research into stuff like this...

Yes, we need some folks that are 'well grounded' in cutting edge theory regarding free electrons and their charge differentials.

Last century was only 9 years ago... :(, I have cloths that go back 20 years - (comfy ;) )

Not sure what they used to film it, but my copy is on DVD :)

8)

Hello.

Even if you can make a device which will produce 100 watts, this is already enough to increase the power to ten times. I am from Canada, can I help you?

Well, I must say, I value the opinions of giant invisible rabbits much more than I do the average run-of-the-mill bunch of wild asparagus I read here. In this case however I have to wonder whether logic and proportion have fled...
It is impossible for me to say more than the obvious: the device as shown is impossible.

There are some questions that arise immediately: What is the true etiology--that is, does this Schwartz device really have anything to do with the original "elemental rod" device with the two rods that was shown lighting up a bulb? 74 and 75 elements, remember that one? Just a small device, no electronics or fancy LED displays. And the website seems to make a continuous link  between that device and this one.

Now, that device...was it for real? If so, being so simple, what happened to it? Why aren't we seeing lots of pocket elemental rod generators without all the fancy BS?
If it wasn't for real, yet came from the same people...

Well, the default conclusion is pretty obvious to me. Nobody (except Sterling) is beating a path to these people's door. And the Noah's Ark Foundation...that sets off a whole nother set of alarm bells.

Doctor of What, by the way? And from what institute of higher learning?

Inquiring minds want to know.

And of course Harvey, as our inside rabbit, is the only one who is even remotely in a position to find out more real information. YT videos aren't going to be very helpful in this case, especially if they are filled with obfuscating jargon, shills, and flashing blinky lights. It's clear from the videos that advertising is their purpose, not education; we are being told much more about the tacit operations of a schemer than we are about a revolutionary new energy device.

Instead of seeing it like a revelation from on high, try looking at it as a mystery novel, a whodunit of sorts. Remember the elemental rods. Consider the language used in the video. Did Doctor Schwartz sit down himself and figure out all the fancy "seek out and find" electronics, and then solder it all up himself? If you can light up a lightbulb with the original elemental rods, just the two rods on a little base... well, I think I'd prefer that one. After all, what's going to power your LEDs and seek-and-find circuit, BEFORE it's sought and found? Maybe it has an original elemental rod set inside, just for start-up.

So Harvey, if it is at all possible, it's up to you to infiltrate this shady operation and find out the real story. I don't care about the Pelican case, I want to see more of that original, simple, 2-rod Elemental Rod generator that was developed into the 6-rod version and then apparently into the present ERR device (which name cracks me up, I must say.) They clearly have moved beyond that device, so it should be no problem to examine it.

I think this thing is very exciting. I was looking around the web trying to do research on the left hand rule stuff. I have read that in the nanotechnology world there is lots of research going on and the "idea" behind this is valid. It seems like the Defense Department has an interest in this too. It doesn't seem important to me to disprove this thing or worry about what small country can't produce this or what organization can or can't sell it. That is time consuming waste and not solving the very real problems we have with energy and our planet. I think there is VERY intelligent people on this site and the Dr. even says in his papers that this is against conventional physics. I'm thinking this is a great opportunity to collectively design, develop, and get building. The computer was invented in a garage. Let's use this for our good. Why can't we use this area as a funnel to put together all the individual research we do topic related with links to help each other? We are looking here to solve a huge problem and this may very well be it.

You are right, and the way to solve it would be for Schwartz to take his Pelican case down to the nearest major University and demonstrate that thing in front of a classroom full of EE and ME graduate students at their weekly symposium.

Or even to a corporate entity.

Every second that this does not happen is, to me, additional evidence that we are being, shall we say, misled.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 01, 2009, 07:34:26 AM
You are right, and the way to solve it would be for Schwartz to take his Pelican case down to the nearest major University and demonstrate that thing in front of a classroom full of EE and ME graduate students at their weekly symposium.

You really mean that it would so easy to go to the next University and demonstrat his intvention? What if they will not allow him this to do? Also they will ask him where the Energy is comeing from! And then?

Quote
Or even to a corporate entity.

to mislead him immediately?

Quote from: rensseak on August 01, 2009, 08:45:26 AM
You really mean that it would so easy to go to the next University and demonstrat his intvention? What if they will not allow him this to do? Also they will ask him where the Energy is comeing from! And then?

to mislead him immediately?

It's pretty clear from that, that you don't know any graduate students. Believe me, you show up in the grad commons with that suitcase, you sit down and buy a beer for the first EE grad student student that walks by, and you will be on a process that will end with you being rich beyond your wildest dreams, the world changed beyond recognition.

IF, that is, you can prove that it works as represented.

The ONLY real reason that Schwartz does not do this, is because he can't.

Think about it. If the suppression conspiracies were real AND Schwartz has what he claims, why is he still walking around sucking air? Why do we know about it at all?  But he is, and we do. Conclude, then, that BOTH cannot be true.
Now, IF Schwartz truly has what he claims, then, by the above, suppression conspiracies cannot be true. SO, A)why isn't he going to Universities or corporations? And B)why is he following the exact same strategy that many other known scammers follow, instead of legitimately seeking patents and industrial support and development? But A he isn't, and B he is.
Therefore, I maintain that the conclusion is unavoidable, without even seeing the device in person, because of the behaviour of the "inventor."

Doctor of what, by the way? Awarded from which institution of higher learning? Where can I read his doctoral dissertation?
Inquiring minds want to know.

I just noticed this thread and I figured might as well chime in. :)

First I have to agree with TinselKoala's analysis, this can't be suppression as there are alphabet agencies out there than can find a cockroach in an Amazon forest with the tech they have, so if they can't find this guy they should close shop. More likely if these claims are true, they (agencies, powers) simply don't care, they know it's bogus, or they set him up as a "plant" (Astroturfing also comes to mind)...

I would also like to add that we have seen dime a dozen of these old geezers hiding somewhere in the nethers of the planet Earth, scheming how to get rich and move to Florida to spend the rest of their days. This particular gentleman is in the Philippines, as far as I understand it, I guess "hiding" from TPTB as well?!

Some of these guys might actually have useful stuff or information, but they are hording it for themselves, as stated above, hoping they could make millions off of it. That's just not the way to go about it and they must know it (at least suppressed somewhere deep inside them).

I am sick and tired of this kind of bullshit and, can't wait for their breed to die so we can get a new wave of old geezers who might be willing to freely share what they know for the benefit of all earthlings.

And if those don't share, then we'll have to wait for yet another wave of old geezers (and why is it that only people who are close to cross-over time know these things anyways?!) to see if they come forth.

My 2c...

A few seconds after reading TK's post a huge white rabbit materialized in front of me and started talking. This scared the hell out of me. He went onto explain that the device was real and it was being powered by invisable hampsters running wheels contected to generators (also invisable).
I am now totally convinced.
PS the rabbit said his name was Mylow.
Kind Regards
Mark

   Not sure what you are smokin' but can I have some?   8)

thay

Hello TK, Amigo - I don't know if I would even try to patent something like the ERR. The way you two make it sound, MIB's are out there but they are not interested in these things or we would know by now. I forget where I read it, but someone in one of the forums, maybe Steorn was talking about patents and government suppression quite a while back. Either of you recall that? Something about National Security (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Code/Title_35/Chapter_17/Section_181) and not being able to do anything with it for a year or something like that? I'm sure it happens, or those sections wouldn't exist in the code (http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/35T.txt). At any rate, you know how paranoid I am ;)

I've been told that this technoloogy in simpler form has been demonstrated at university levels. It does not utilize the mischmetal type stacks as that has been difficult to manufacture and the yield was very low thus not coast effective.

Honestly, it matters not what anyone thinks or whether they think the kind Doctor has any responsibility toward the public or not. In fact, I would say that alsetalokin (TK) has a greater responsibilty to bring closure to his OC MPMM game than Dr. Schwartz has to anyone who has viewed his reseaurch statements whether printed or visual. I find no obligation on his part what-so-ever just because he willingly shared the knowledge that alternative energy is viable.

TK, do you think Tesla's work was impossible as well? Do you imagine that his nephew's statements regarding the Buffalo NY test drive was just folklore? What about when he sent a surge back through the power lines at Colorado Springs and burnt out the Generators? Or his Wardenclyffe project, do you think he was building something that wouldn't work? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it is impossible - after all, your cells are aging as we speak an no one understands why, after 30 years of perfect rejuvination the process just stops. Must be impossible, right?

Get all the facts before you Assassinate someones character.

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The inventor believes that civilization will collapse and is preparing for it.
Hes institute is dedicated to helping people cope with that,as regards to water,food,and energy.
The key question is ,is the ERR real or a hoax,fraud or prank,
the inventor is not giving up details to build either the ERR or the rod device
I noticed that when that subject comes up he changes the subject,people on hes yahoo group ask for details
he gives them none.Hes theory of operation of the ERR is silly,you can't create energy
so to be real it has to be an energy converter of an unknown source or a fraud, hoax or prank.
My own opinion is its real, but a very flaky device, in its present
form and would never be allowed to be sold,both rod and ERR devices
he knows this.
Since he will not release the exact details to build either one,the debate will go on forever.
Since he wants to make a profit out of it and is afraid that some people will
get killed trying to  making it,or steal it,
he will never release exact details how to build rod or ERR,so its a dead end.
Our government (US) would view him as a crack pot,scammer or nut case and leave him alone
because
hes claims from a standard physics
view are "impossible"!!!,so it must be a fraud.

No offence to the inventor but hes motives
are very hard to figure out,better mankind or make some big bucks or show people look what I have
now guess how it works because I'm not telling you how to make it.

Quote from: Harvey on August 03, 2009, 02:16:15 AM
Hello TK, Amigo - I don't know if I would even try to patent something like the ERR. The way you two make it sound, MIB's are out there but they are not interested in these things or we would know by now. I forget where I read it, but someone in one of the forums, maybe Steorn was talking about patents and government suppression quite a while back. Either of you recall that? Something about National Security (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Code/Title_35/Chapter_17/Section_181) and not being able to do anything with it for a year or something like that? I'm sure it happens, or those sections wouldn't exist in the code (http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/35T.txt). At any rate, you know how paranoid I am ;)

I've been told that this technoloogy in simpler form has been demonstrated at university levels. It does not utilize the mischmetal type stacks as that has been difficult to manufacture and the yield was very low thus not coast effective.

Honestly, it matters not what anyone thinks or whether they think the kind Doctor has any responsibility toward the public or not. In fact, I would say that alsetalokin (TK) has a greater responsibilty to bring closure to his OC MPMM game than Dr. Schwartz has to anyone who has viewed his reseaurch statements whether printed or visual. I find no obligation on his part what-so-ever just because he willingly shared the knowledge that alternative energy is viable.

TK, do you think Tesla's work was impossible as well? Do you imagine that his nephew's statements regarding the Buffalo NY test drive was just folklore? What about when he sent a surge back through the power lines at Colorado Springs and burnt out the Generators? Or his Wardenclyffe project, do you think he was building something that wouldn't work? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it is impossible - after all, your cells are aging as we speak an no one understands why, after 30 years of perfect rejuvination the process just stops. Must be impossible, right?

Get all the facts before you Assassinate someones character.

:( (have to misspell stuff just to keep the adsense from gumming it all up Bleagh)

Yep, those MIB are smarter than they look. Not a single one came after that "al" character you mention. You know, come to think of it, maybe that was what was behind all that--drawing out the MIBs. If so, it was either a success, or a failure. After all, he always told everyone that it wasn't in any way unusual or free energy or contrary to known physics. "Dr." Schwartz on the other hand, has made such claims in public.
The process of "secretizing" patents that have national security implications is a real one; I am personally familiar with the details of Adam Trombley's experience in that matter, over the liquid metal contacts on a homopolar variant that he invented. (Now you have to shred your computer and poke your eyeballs out, you know too much.) A device like the one in Schwartz's demo IF REAL would certainly be gobbled up in a heartbeat, especially if the details of its initial production are secret--that is outside the normal academic/industrial/military channels. But it hasn't been. That tells me a lot, and perhaps it should tell you something too.
No, I don't think Tesla's work was impossible: It's fully documented, always has been, and is repeatable by anyone. I know this to be the case. The Pierce-Arrow is indeed a legend, we have no real information on it and it is probably, if anything at all, a journalist's hyperbolic misunderstanding of something Tesla was demostrating. No, I don't believe the car was powered by the box. We have no evidence other than "nephew's" anecdote, which means we have no evidence.
The other Tesla items you mention were certainly real and are relatively well-understood and could be reproduced, by a madman, even today. The Wardenclyffe tower--could it have been the basis for a planet-wide communication and power system? I believe so. Could it have allowed extraction of solar energy from the Schumann resonance? Perhaps. That is the experimental question that Tesla was asking. He was not attempting to prove anything. He had the consummate scientific attitude, making predictions based on theory and prior results, experimenting to narrow down the possible theoretical answer-space. Could Wardenclyffe itself make energy? Of course not.

And aging is a bit more understood than you imply. Perfect rejuvenation is a myth; errors accumulate; apoptosis is programmed in; there are perfectly good reasons to get old and decrepit and finally to die.

I don't have to assassinate anyone's character; they generally do a pretty good job of committing character suicide as soon as they start promoting free energy scams.

Doctor of what, now? From Which institution of higher education, or medical or chiropractic or dentistry or veterinary school? And where can I read his dissertation?

http://www.youtube.com/user/OverUnityNow1#play/all/uploads-all/0/WskItfkpS4g

My 2.5 power station.......

@TK,
The "nephew" of Tesla was not his nephew. I think that says it all.
I do like your philosophy.
This 3KW EER unit could simply be verified without full disclosure of key elements....so Harvey want to meet me in the Philipines?
Mark

@Tommey Reed,
Nice setup there. I think that mic amplified the Genset noise ;). What is the wattage of the solar panels? Have you done any recharge tests?

Cheers!

@Mark,
I understand everyone's desire to validate what they have seen, but honestly I see no reason to do so. It doesn't need to be validated, especially by the internet populace. If we reflect on our reasons for wanting validation we will find that they have no purpose other than to satisfy our own curiosity. If TK and the other skeptics would like to believe that this is not what has been stated in the video, then let them - it doesn't change the program in the least. It may burn bridges that they don't realize they didn't want burned, but that's really not our problem is it?

A young man approached a scientist on a street corner and opening his coat he produced a glowing bottle of liquid. "Hey, mister, you want to see some stuff?". The scientist looked at the bottle and asked, do you know what this is? "Yes", said the young man, "do you?" The scientist said, "you tell me." The young man said "It's a colloidal suspension of light emitting materials like radium and thorium, do you like it?" The scientist asked, "how do I know this isn't just some liquid from a glow stick?" "You don't" the man replied.
S:"Why are you showing this to me?"
YM:"I thought you might be interested, and I wanted to know what you think of it"
S:"What's it for?"
YM: "We're going to paint all the street lights and sidewalks and road lines with it in the whole city because it gives light off night and day for 12 years"
S:"You know Radium and Thorium are radioactive"
YM: "I said 'like' I didn't say it was"
S: "Where did you get it?"
YM: "That's a secret"
S: "How much is there?"
YM: "That's a secret too"
S: "Can I buy some? Can I invest?"
YM: "No"
S: "Can I make some myself?"
YM: "Probably, but I can't give you the formula"
S: "If you like this sort of thing, you can join our think tank where we will be doing all sorts of cool stuff"
S:"I don't think your qualified to show this stuff around, or else your some kind of fraud. Do you have any degrees?"
YM: "I'm a doctor"
S: "Let me guess, a vet?"
YM:"I fail to see how my credentials have any bearing on my sharing this information with you, sorry to have bothered you - goodbye"
As the scientist walked away, knowing full well he had insulted the young man, it occurred to him that he would like to have painted the inside of his garage with that. He quickly turned around, and the young man was gone.

::)

The solar panels are 45watts,  about 1.5 amps for each battery.

Each panel is connected to 12v battery, I use a capacitor bank for kick start the dc motor.

This system use 36v, 45 watts is just enough to slow charge the unit.

Its just a back up system at this time, I would need more charging amps to do greater work.....

Tommy Check out my panel it was quite the project kept me busy for some time soldering and such but well worth it in the end.

PS Tommy you should really post that nice setup in the solar section so people can see it at work.

Take Care

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6699.0;attach=34284;image

That is my home made panel...

Learned never use hot glue when making a panel should have known better but at the end I was rushed anyhow take care.

Here is a link to the elemental rod already discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on this site http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4570.msg99256#msg99256
The original comes courtesy of forum member ZoRG. It is a brochure in Japanese showing the rod form devices and a panel type device. 

Remember that old TV show the Addams Family? Remember Uncle Fester? He had a lightbulb he would put in his mouth. He would then proceed to light it up. Instead of investigating the ERR devices, it would be much better to look up Uncle Fester and his lightbulb and use that as a free energy device.

Quote from: markdansie on August 03, 2009, 06:38:51 PM
@TK,
The "nephew" of Tesla was not his nephew. I think that says it all.
I do like your philosophy.
This 3KW EER unit could simply be verified without full disclosure of key elements....so Harvey want to meet me in the Philipines?
Mark

Tesla's Sister had a son, Sava N. Kosanovic.

Nikola Tesla’s nephew, Ambassador Sava N. Kosanovic was the administrator of Tesla’s estate. Mr. Kosanovic was the minister of the State of Yugoslavia and a member of theYugoslav Mission to the United States in New York, from June 1942 to October 1944. Mr. Kosanovic was the Yugoslav Ambassador to the United States, in Washington D.C. from July 1946 to May 1950.

Miss. Charlotte Muzar, Mr. Kosanovic's Secretary wrote 5 pages regarding Dr.Tesla's missing papers and her experience - you can read them here:
http://www.teslasociety.com/muzar.htm

Forgot to mention that SNK was the adminstrator of Tesla's Estate, and that Tesla's other nephew (mentioned on page 3 of those pages) was present during the launch of the S.S. Nikola Tesla.

Quote from: Tommey Reed on August 03, 2009, 08:57:30 PM
The solar panels are 45watts,  about 1.5 amps for each battery.

Each panel is connected to 12v battery, I use a capacitor bank for kick start the dc motor.

This system use 36v, 45 watts is just enough to slow charge the unit.

Its just a back up system at this time, I would need more charging amps to do greater work.....

Nice! Thanx for sharing the setup with us.
It really drives home the point of how much battery mass is needed in conventional systems to provide 1400W, not to mention twice that power. Sort of buries the LiPo theory since the device shown has a total weight of 42 pounds and was easily moved in the demonstration.

Cheers
8)

Edit to Add:
I know it would take at least 94 of these LiFePO4 (http://www.maxamps.com/Life-4500-66-Pack.htm) to run 2800 watts for an hour, but they would only weigh 30Kg. Too bad they are too thick to fit in the panels. But, if we only wanted to run for 10 minutes, then 16 would work...but then we would have seen them dimming. Ok, mayhaps 32, so even if it came down 50% of charge, the brightness might not be noticable. That would only be 10Kg so the weight is good. But the size is still a killer. Well, I'm sure the skeptics will find a a way to make it look like a hoax - I'm more interested in seeing what new things I can learn from these guys.

@Harvey,
I stand corrected on tesla's nephew.
Thanks.
PS howlong did you witness the device running for.
Mark

Harvey,

I guess you've put me in the bag with the other skeptics, didn't you?

I'd love to believe this specific invention is for real but there's way too much noise on the Web and elsewhere about everything, accidental and on purpose as well, that one really needs to stop and reflect on things before jumping up in excitement.

BUT, I will hold no candle for anyone wanting to profit on this invention, or any other like it. Certain things should be free and available to everyone: health, power (energy), water, food. No matter who they are or where they are.

People (in general) have become desensitized and inhumane to one another so much that we have forgotten we only have each other. Under the capitalistic pretense of "There's nothing wrong with making a buck" anything goes these days. Our Corporate Fascist Overlords are a the prime example for it, where it does not matter who dies or which country gets overthrown, as long as they make profit.

I'm sorry, but if Dr. Schwartz has a real thing, then the only correct course of action, in my humble opinion, would be to release it out into the public so everyone can benefit, not just him and his cadre of investors. When one considers that billions of people are suffering on this planet right now because they have no electricity or water or sanitation or health, somehow it seems that good Doctor is helping them remain like that, by being greedy.

Let the history judge those who had the means to help - but knowingly failed to do so.

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If the honorable Dr. really has what he claims, I'm baffled why at his apparent respectworthy age, he would spend years on making a buck, where with the support of like-minded open source researchers, a Nobel prize in physics would be but a formality.

- He'll give out some small, but working prototypes, for us to do extensive testing on
- Help us build larger, more powerful units
- We, will in turn help make the devices safer, and more commercially viable
- We'll start a factory producing commercial portable units, to make sure big commerce doesn't drive up prices beyond the reasonable
- Our profits will go mostly towards free units for charity. They'll know WHO needs or deserves true free energy. We'll attach an educational program. Maybe build 3rd world fair trade factories.
- We'll assist the Dr. in writing down and mass-publishing his knowledge and other ideas, for future generations to take advantage of.
- We'll get him his Nobel prize, for him and his family to be proud of. He'll make more money speaking at universities etc than he'll ever will selling patents to big oil's timeline stretching agents.

Who was he last man to single-handedly bring free energy to the people, all by himself?
Why would on with the better of manking in mind, refuse the assistance of the smartest, most selfless army in the world? This community are like Ninja's. Even if there are but a couple thousand, when focused at one good cause, they can bring down an empire.

Quote from: markdansie on August 04, 2009, 03:55:20 PM
@Harvey,
I stand corrected on tesla's nephew.
Thanks.
PS howlong did you witness the device running for.
Mark

Actually, to the contrary, I was not correcting you. Instead I was offering a source to the truthful data regarding Nikola's nephews (which is probably not exhaustive). I am not certain how things were twisted about - perhaps mistakes were made mixing up the actor (Petar) who played SNK in the Tesla series and somehow combining the names to get Petar Savo - I don't know the facts behind that story which is fully replicated throughout the internet. If we knew the precise date, I suppose we could get at the Buffalo Newspaper archives and see what really happened and who was there. Most myths are rooted in some truth. It is noteworthy that many persons who migrated from Serbia were renamed when they entered the states. A good friend of mine experienced that, Boris Nikoloff. On his documents it shows his name as Nicholaus. He never used the assigned name. So, one of the nephews evidently had a dual name as well as recorded on those pages. Another thing to consider is King Peter had visited Tesla. So, with all the names and mixed stories, the only thing we know for sure is Tesla's own words regarding such technology and possibly some archived newspapers in Buffalo New York. By the way, the Wardenclyffe site is for sale and some are trying to have it declared a historical landmark.

Edit:
How long? Not long enough to make any conclusive evaluations, maybe a couple or few minutes, I really wasn't counting. The demonstration was simple and quick but the lamp did get warm pretty quick. I had been in contact with Dr. Schwartz for quite some time prior and just hadn't been able to meet personally. When the opportunity was presented to meet him, I jumped at the chance. The live demonstration was just icing on the cake and I was instructed at the time to keep it under wraps.

Cheers,

;)

@Amigo & Cloxxki,

I sympathize with you both here. It certainly seems as though it would be easy just give away the farm in the name of helping others. I could round up about 300 or so homeless from LA if you'd be willing to give your houses up for them. It certainly would be a noble gesture on your part. But realistically, nuclear energy is power right? Why don't we all just make small nuclear power plants in our garages? Who owns the rights to all that? We haven't even done a biological study on this device yet - for all we know it heals cancer, or the opposite. I think you probably see that I am over emphasizing the reality that this technology does not belong to the people, yet, nor is it currently known to be safe for the people. Trying to push the issue or expedite its release will be a futile exercise. Dr. Schwartz wants the people to have this technology, but not before it is safe and certainly not if it would have any negative impact on the world economy. The last thing we need to do right now is get a lot of people fired that work for energy related industries. The unemployment rate is soaring badly enough as it is. The best we could hope for in the immediate future would be to fill future needs as demands increase while leaving the current status quo. Perhaps a gradual and methodical conversion from Diesel Generator plants to this technology where it could be isolated and vaulted away from biological concerns. Maybe instead of stealing jobs from current energy providers we can find ways to create jobs.

One thing is certain, hooking your house up to one of these tomorrow is not going to happen. I've already offered to use my house as a testbed - the technology just isn't ready for that yet.

Also, none of us know what Dr. Schwartz may be bound to. For all we know, (and this is pure conjecture on my part), he could have been funded by someone else to do the research and they may hold the production rights, I don't know. But I do know, that it is unfair to place ourselves in decision making seats with regards to research we had nothing to do with. Ever read the children's story about the hen that was going to make bread? From growing the wheat to putting  the butter on it, no one bothered to help even in the slightest. But boy they all had something to say about getting some for themselves - greedy little critters ;D.  Well, the point is, it is not our technology and those involved will do what they want with it when and how they want to. We should be glad that they gave us a glimpse of it and have encouraged us to experiment with some of the fundamental aspects of it. If we were keeping this a secret, it makes you wonder what other technologies are out there being kept quiet as they are developed.

@John,
Hey - sorry I haven't been in touch so much. I was in your neck of the woods state side but I think at that time you were back up north. Are you looking to manufacture the crystals yet, or is there still a parallel issue? So many new developments, we will have to get together at some point. Good to hear from you.

8)

Hi,
I got an email from Dr.Schwartz and he said,
that his PC was hacked a while ago and the 2 rods video
was downloaded and put on youtube without him wanting this,
as this technology is not safe yet.
There are problems during thunderstorms, etc..

Well, he also said, people should be patient, cause they
want first to setup their new site and
finish the research work.

He will reveal more in the future.

I also agree to what Harvey said.

So to those people who are skeptical,
just wait and see what will come out of the
story and in the meantime you can study yourself
the strange type left hand materials and you can
try to do some experiments yourself with these kind
of materials and report back, how they behave.

This will get us more information, than to blame
Dr. Schwartz for not revealing more in this moment...


Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: markdansie on August 02, 2009, 07:07:15 PM
A few seconds after reading TK's post a huge white rabbit materialized in front of me and started talking. This scared the hell out of me. He went onto explain that the device was real and it was being powered by invisable hampsters running wheels contected to generators (also invisable).
I am now totally convinced.
PS the rabbit said his name was Mylow.
Kind Regards
Mark

@Mark

I have to disagree. I thought Mylow was a cockroach?

cheers
chrisC

@Johnkhutchison
Welcome on board this forum, been hoping you would join us some day.
Are you selling any more of your crystal cells?

I personally believe this device is legit. 
In fact it's the first device on this forum I have a good feeling about.
And the fact that John made a comment here says a lot as well.

Quote from: johnkhutchison on August 04, 2009, 09:22:40 PM
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Ahhh....John it's great to have you here!  I'm sure you have known about this forum for soem time but I'm glad you have finally joined.  Please check out some of our larger topics...there are a lot of hard workers and we have all helped eachother advance.  I looking forward to your contribution  ;)

@ hartiberlin

Quote from: hartiberlin on August 05, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
in the meantime you can study yourself
the strange type left hand materials

What is a "left hand material"? This seems like another nonsense term for something that does not exist. Can you give an example of such a material? I have a good background in physics and electronics and I do not know what in world he is talking about. As far as I know, there is no such thing.

Quote from: xee2 on August 06, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
@ hartiberlin


What is a "left hand material"? This seems like another nonsense term for something that does not exist. Can you give an example of such a material? I have a good background in physics and electronics and I do not know what in world he is talking about. As far as I know, there is no such thing.

Read the whole thread, your answer may be in reply #12

Quote from: xee2 on August 06, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
What is a "left hand material"? This seems like another nonsense term ...

See hartis posting
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7842.msg194070#msg194070
with explanatory link given:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/whatis.html

"Left handed" seems to be just the "opposite of the expected".
Like a mirror is the opposite of a translucent material.
Crazy stuff.
Worse than a JT.
;-)

edit: time phase conjunction with robbie47

Quote from: xee2 on August 06, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
@ hartiberlin


What is a "left hand material"? This seems like another nonsense term for something that does not exist. Can you give an example of such a material? I have a good background in physics and electronics and I do not know what in world he is talking about. As far as I know, there is no such thing.

Xee in electronics we refere to an electrical current passing through a conductor such as a copper wire to behave with specific characteristics ie the electricity moving in a direction which creates an electro magnetic field in the conductor.  To help visualize the direction of this spinning field we use this right hand rule....Thumb out and fingers curled which represent direction of this electro magnetic spin.  Left hand rule is starting to be used to describe the opposite characteristics of electrial current flowing thought new materials.

I hope this is mostly right and helps you.

@ robbie47 and oscar and stprue,

Thanks to all of you.

@Chris
I stand corrected, it must have been a cockroach. My humor did not go unoticed, I recieved an email expressing concern about my white rabbit comments. I guess I have upset a few people over the years busting overunity claims. I never intend to, but so far nothing has ever panned out and I travel many times a year overseas checking out devices for people. (most of these never make forums). I have another test in about a week in Australia and will be in Singapore in two weeks time (I offered Lawrence the chance to meet me and my engineer there if he has anything to demonstrate)
I am open minded about what is possible but so far its been a 100% failure rate. The most biare thing to me is the cult following people end up with...look at the Mylow debarcle earlier this year. The Joe Cells were something else forget about the MIB's I had threats against me and my family for asking questions!
However, I will apply my scientific methodology for testing (science doesnt have to explain anything)
1. Is it replicable
2. Can it be closed looped
3. Where is the hidden power device

I have seen people part with collectively millions of dollars investing in some of these claims. Sometimes the inventor is self delusional or in others a straight con. However I continue to encourage and support all those who are on a quest to discover new power and storage device. On the other hand I do not tollerate fools.
I enjoy many peoples posts here (You TK Pirate etc)
well time to get of my soapbox.
Talk Soon

Mark
I have no intention of letting go my humor.

Mark

Quote from: markdansie on August 07, 2009, 03:55:17 AM
@Chris
I stand corrected, it must have been a cockroach. My humor did not go unoticed, I recieved an email expressing concern about my white rabbit comments. I guess I have upset a few people over the years busting overunity claims. I never intend to, but so far nothing has ever panned out and I travel many times a year overseas checking out devices for people. (most of these never make forums). I have another test in about a week in Australia and will be in Singapore in two weeks time (I offered Lawrence the chance to meet me and my engineer there if he has anything to demonstrate)
I am open minded about what is possible but so far its been a 100% failure rate. The most biare thing to me is the cult following people end up with...look at the Mylow debarcle earlier this year. The Joe Cells were something else forget about the MIB's I had threats against me and my family for asking questions!
However, I will apply my scientific methodology for testing (science doesnt have to explain anything)
1. Is it replicable
2. Can it be closed looped
3. Where is the hidden power device

I have seen people part with collectively millions of dollars investing in some of these claims. Sometimes the inventor is self delusional or in others a straight con. However I continue to encourage and support all those who are on a quest to discover new power and storage device. On the other hand I do not tollerate fools.
I enjoy many peoples posts here (You TK Pirate etc)
well time to get of my soapbox.
Talk Soon

Mark
I have no intention of letting go my humor.

Mark

Hey Mark:

Keep up your good humor! I enjoyed it too. Jokes aside, you're doing the noble thing. Give the con man, delusional 'scientist' or crackpot a chance to redeem themselves before writing them off. I have to agree with TK & others - unless there's something irrational and not known by science, chances are about zero for the real O.U devices to exhibit themselves.

That said, Dr. Schwartz's left-hand materials seemed real? Of course, there's no chance of fishing lines in this experiment.

Take care. Wished I was in S'pore when you visit. We could go eat at the Hyatt buffet. For S$40.00 (2006) you can eat like a king. Maybe you should   check it out.

cheers
chrisC

Hello,
This may be way off here but I was looking at some possibilities of the panel system. I ran across this patent abstract and figured I'd share this. It has Aluminum and Barium and plates and are claiming electric generation.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090056783

Thanks.

for those interested in finding out some more about left handed materials here is a reference that might be useful

http://physics.ucsd.edu/lhmedia/whatis.html

The people at Caltech have been busy investigating Vacuum Energy as well.
Check out this patent http://www.calphysics.org/Patent.html
It uses the Casimir effect to generate 2.1 KW from 1.7 milliwatt input.
That would at least make a great space heater. I paid over $500 per month last winter to heat my home. Set up one of those puppies and just let it run. Oh yeah, you could use it to generate electricity too.

@Harvey, et al;

Funny how everyone is always concerned about health or similar issues, or whether people can handle something or not. Then to top it off, there comes in the "toppling of World economy" concerns and jobless rates and all the other nonsense that people have been brainwashed to believe from the moment they were born, on.

I just love it when others are protecting me from myself, because they are doing it "for my benefit"... "You'll be thanking us later" sort of thing, almost as one's parents would say to them when they were a child.

Guess what, the World is a grown up place and all these excuses only serve personal and selfish reasons why something is not freely given out. But I suppose nobody has been brought up to be altruistic in real sense of that word, or perhaps most don't even know what that word means.

Might I suggest everyone go rent (or download or whatever) some George Carlin videos, for a true reality check. :)

Can man protect himself from harms way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_of_life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium#Historical_uses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT

Yeah...this is a grown up dying world.  ::)

@harvey
I started studying up a little on left handed materials. The 3KW ERR unit had me interested in that I was trying with my logical approach to explain "The Trick". I am a sceptic by default having debunked many magnetic motors over the years amoungst other technologies. It is never my intention to do so but that is the way it panned out.
In this case I had a problem of trying to figure out how much energy could come from such a small collection area. For example if it was a solar pannel you would be pushing to get 50 watts. having just started to read up on left handed materials I first thought perhaps its just a big capacitor or indeed a battery (one side possitive the other negative)
The demonstrations have only lasted a few minutes on the video. I was wondering if you knew the answers to the following questions.
1. What was the longest time it had continually run for ?
2. What was powering the unit when he started to tune it in ?
3. Why his previous units were so difficult to mainntain( did the performance degrade over time)
I am asking these questions in good faith with the view of trying to gain some understanding and remaining open minded.
There are a lot of red flags...but before I become the critic I rather stay on the possitive side of this one.
Mark

Hi Mark,

I understand your position entirely and those are valid questions.

1. I do not know the longest period it has ever run but I have been told that they have left it on for over an hour. I do not know if power was being drawn during that time period or not - that would be a good question for Dr. Schwartz. He mentioned to me this evening that he does not have an account here, so it would be best to email him or post a question in the Yahoo Groups forum.

2. I was told that there is a 9V Transistor Radio battery used to prime the system.

3. The rods simply were not cost effective nor consistent enough to provide a real competitive edge against current solar technology watt for watt. The ERR is a continuing project with various setbacks and unknowns related to new frontier technologies. At the time of the small case research, graphene was new and very difficult to produce in larger sheets. Similar problems exist now for Bismuth. There have been some coil failures and undersize wire issues, electric field instabilities near the plates (you may notice they are covered by a plastic cover to prevent ion discharges in the demo), and one of the most problematic was the geocentric phasing which prohibited proper function when moved to a new location.

We hope that we are close to finalizing the research but certain tests and improvements that need to be performed require a specific research facility to be built. Plans are underway to effect this necessity this year if all goes well.

Cheers,

Harvey

@harvey,
many thanks for your time in answering the questions.
Mark

Basing on my great (forced) ignorance on the subject...

I see that it could be nuclear.
There could be a high voltage transformer and electromagnetic cavities to induce nuclear transmutation in quite common material.
The key is that I see no relation between left-handed materials and overunity as long as energy conservation must hold.

F_dyne

Quote from: f_dyne on August 08, 2009, 12:07:49 PM
Basing on my great (forced) ignorance on the subject...

I see that it could be nuclear.
There could be a high voltage transformer and electromagnetic cavities to induce nuclear transmutation in quite common material.
The key is that I see no relation between left-handed materials and overunity as long as energy conservation must hold.

F_dyne

I would think that if such nuclear things would happen as a result of the cavities and energy involved, that we would see evidence in waveguides, microwave antennas and the like. Of course, I doubt that these have left hand properties. It would seem that left handed materials exhibit an internal reflected wave that predominates the energy exchange... like a mirror but phased 180° out? When two EM waves collide inside the material, I imagine a standing wave could form that may push electrons free. It would be similar to a photoelectric effect for cosmic RF perhaps. I can't pretend to fully understand this until I either experiment with it or NARF shares the technology. But it's good to see others thinking along these lines of how radiant energy can be collected and put to use and how that may release energy from the material. Tesla said he had tapped into the very wheel work of nature, but he never fully explained exactly how or what was involved to do that.

8)

@Harvey,
anothyer thing that occured to me was how much energy could be recovered if you were to draw out the power at a lower level. Rather than drawing 3kw what if you were to draw 500watts. Would this effect the time it could run for?
I am not sure or NARF's intentions, but i would suggest they sell some licences to develop. This way they can raise funds and hold on to all the intellectual property. It far better to have a thousand engineers working on it than being a one man band.
Like I have always said these are just my opinions.
Mark

@harvey,A few questions ,did the rods have a circuit,to start the device and a small battery.

Is the ERR an advance version of the elemental rod or
completely different from the elemental rod device.
Thanks

Quote from: markdansie on August 08, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
@Harvey,
anothyer thing that occured to me was how much energy could be recovered if you were to draw out the power at a lower level. Rather than drawing 3kw what if you were to draw 500watts. Would this effect the time it could run for?
I am not sure or NARF's intentions, but i would suggest they sell some licences to develop. This way they can raise funds and hold on to all the intellectual property. It far better to have a thousand engineers working on it than being a one man band.
Like I have always said these are just my opinions.
Mark

It is my understanding that there is no limitation on the running time other than related to the setbacks mentioned earlier.

I am not sure either. But licensing does sound like a good idea. I'll discuss it with Dr. Schwartz and see what they say.

Quote from: powerunlimited on August 08, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
@harvey,A few questions ,did the rods have a circuit,to start the device and a small battery.

Is the ERR an advance version of the elemental rod or
completely different from the elemental rod device.
Thanks

AFAIK, the elemental rod technology has been set aside and had no power source other than charged particle absorption. The ERR is completely different as it utilized pulsed magnetic fields and different materials.

Quote from: Harvey on August 09, 2009, 07:44:28 AM
AFAIK, the elemental rod technology has been set aside and had no power source other than charged particle absorption. The ERR is completely different as it utilized pulsed magnetic fields and different materials.

So over the past two years we have had several different overunity devices from the same folks: the first elemental rod device with 2 rods (which has been "binned" apparently); the next version still visible on the Noah's Ark website in the nice plastic case with multiple (6?) rods, also working, also "set aside" even though it would have saved the world from the tyranny of Big Oil, not to mention all those Pilipino kids who are dying of dysentery and cholera because they don't have clean water to drink. But we've set those miracles aside -- why, again? --and we've gone on to another different technology with digital displays and pulsed magnetic fields.

Why am I getting a strong sense of "Deja Vu all over again?"

Look who's involved.

It doesn't appear any of it holds any water...

.99

But Harvey's seen it, and knows the perpetrators, er, the inventors.
That alone makes my little penguin ears perk up. I'd be paying no attention at all, if not for that.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 09, 2009, 04:47:10 PM
But Harvey's seen it, and knows the perpetrators, er, the inventors.

Hmm, that was my point.

.99

@Tk
As you know I posses little of your electronic knowledge, mine is more in the fireld of hydrogen applications and some experience on debunking magnetic motors (many never were mentioned in forums.
I hvae withheld my usual all guns blazing debunking of this one out of repect for harvey, who I believe is an honest and sincere person. I also started reading up on left handed or left field materials. There could be someting there.
My difficulty remains with the power it is extracting seems to be large, However it may have some self chaging properties like a cap.
I will be interested in seeing how his pans out.
I suggest you have a look at the unique properties of these materials and given you expertise and creative abilities it might just discover something worthwhile.
Long shot ..but makes a break from other devices.
with greatest respect
Mark

Quote from: poynt99 on August 09, 2009, 01:34:44 PM
Look who's involved.

It doesn't appear any of it holds any water...

.99

Grow up already.  ::)

TK, can you provide a direct link to the (6?) rod image? For some reason my system is not accessing that. Thanx.

As wonderful as those rods seemed, those that worked were easily depleted over time (the charge rate was slow - see Tesla's associated radiant energy patent and the time frames involved) and they were low wattage. The cost of production was prohibitive and there are other unsavory aspects to its release to the public which effectively locked down its distribution at any cost. If you wish to experiment with something like that then have a look at Einstein's works on the photoelectric effects of various metals and evaluate the atmospheric window that is transparent to specific frequencies. Combine those two things and you may be able to produce something similar. One of the things that bugs me about those rods, is that I held one of those plastic containers in my hand once in the desert (you know where), at a swap meet back in the '70's. I had no idea what I was looking at and the fella behind the table told me it was some sort of generator that worked for a few years and then just stopped working. I could have bought it for a quarter but I was young, stupid and had no idea what I was looking at. But it looked interesting because it had a 110V outlet in the base and no other place for batteries or wires. I walked that same swap meet that day, found a chopper that was smaller, but had a 12V Ciggybuttlighter connector on it and used that to make coffee on the job sites for years before the contacts on the relay literally popped off the rivets. That may still be in my gargage somewhere. Bottom line here on the rods, unless Dr. Schwartz was the original inventor from the late 60's I think he was just trying to revive an old technology that existed from the 1800's on. I remember discussions regarding that material in high school. Nearly all records have been completely stripped from the internet and public libraries, but you may find some in a private library somewhere - I know I've read it in hardcopy print at some time and I wish I could remember when and where. I have a nagging memory that explained the process as a thermocouple bond combined with a low grade radioactive decay that resulted in a transmutation of the metals where extra electrons were given up in the process. Maybe you all can find it somewhere. For some reason I have a mental association of Mischmetal and Mantel material to all of this but please don't ask me how my brain ties all that together - bleagh.

Has anyone yet, actually replicated Marks' TPU? I heard that someone actually had one running but it melted down after a few hours in a runaway mode. I offered to help put in fail safes to prevent that, but never got any takers. The video I have on file, of the small open ring demonstration in the garage is very convincing. And the gyroscopic effects are intriquing. Poynt99, do you have any experience with it?

8)

@ Harvey

I suspect you may be thinking of the peltier effect. Used in many space satellites but does not produce much power.

@Harvey,very interesting information on the rods,have you asked
Dr. Schwartz if he is the original inventor and if
he can give you a rough
explaination as to how they work,since I don't think
he will release the exact information on how to make them.
Thanks

@Harvey: I can't find the link to the webpage right now, but here's the ERR Japanese brochure, there are some pix of it in there:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/EnergyReceiver.zip

And it's on Sterling's PESwiki page concerning the devices.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Elemental_rod_generator_900W_jp70.jpg

And This is interesting:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/

And so is this:
http://www.rexresearch.com/craig/craig.htm

The Vortex list discussion is interesting.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg33518.html

Quote
"It's "grounded to the earth" but there's no ground wire, as they show us
after it's "activated".  So, the statement that it's "grounded" is just
misdirection, like most of what he says.

I loved the bit where they pick up the case and turn it over -- this is
pure stage-magician stuff: see, the box is solid on all sides.
Unfortunately for the demo that little operation also shows that it's
not "grounded to the earth" no matter what he says about it; the claim
that it's grounded was a simple lie."

It just gets more and more interesting.

We are agreed that the elemental rods are in the direct lineage of the Schwartz device, right?

Well, it looks like Stefan has been aware of this story for a while:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/Rodgen2.htm


And as if that's not enough, it appears that there is some kind of link with Dennis Lee. The one linked video seems to be missing, but there's another one in the same ucsofa directory that contains the same stuff, if you can stand to watch Dennis perform. He shows the "original" video at 1:45, and says that he (Dennis) has been showing this since 1997.
http://www.ucsofa.com/videos/case2.rm

@Tk
you mentioned the D word (Dennis) wash your mouth out with soap.
I think the Rod's are a dead duck. Lets face it...if there were 74 elements in it you don't have to be Einstein to figure out there is something pretty hot in there with a reasonable half life.
However for the latest device in a box I am very interested to see what is really driving that.
@Harvey
I am happy to go to the phillipines to view the said device including signing an NDA and leaving the video camera behind. There are a lot of red flags from the video demo I saw, however there are somethings I am curious about. My main specialty has been as mentioned before hydrogen injection and as a hobby following magnetic motors.
I have doubts that it is tuned to the earths frequencies (I could be wrong) but the materials used may act as a capicitor or battery.
Mark

Quote from: xee2 on August 09, 2009, 08:52:16 PM
@ Harvey

I suspect you may be thinking of the peltier effect. Used in many space satellites but does not produce much power.

Acutally it would be the opposite effect known as the Seebeck Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect). But of course this does not fully explain the action, only a possible portion of it.

8)

Quote from: powerunlimited on August 09, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
@Harvey,very interesting information on the rods,have you asked
Dr. Schwartz if he is the original inventor and if
he can give you a rough
explaination as to how they work,since I don't think
he will release the exact information on how to make them.
Thanks

I told him that I had seen these original rods before at the swap meet and he said he wished I had that apparatus as it was part of some early market test or something. But he never confirmed or denied being the actual inventor.

8)

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
@Harvey: I can't find the link to the webpage right now, but here's the ERR Japanese brochure, there are some pix of it in there:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/EnergyReceiver.zip

And it's on Sterling's PESwiki page concerning the devices.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Elemental_rod_generator_900W_jp70.jpg

And This is interesting:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/

And so is this:
http://www.rexresearch.com/craig/craig.htm

Ok, that's what I thought. I wanted to make certain that the rods were not being promoted in any way by NARF.

Quote from: markdansie on August 10, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
@Tk
you mentioned the D word (Dennis) wash your mouth out with soap.
I think the Rod's are a dead duck. Lets face it...if there were 74 elements in it you don't have to be Einstein to figure out there is something pretty hot in there with a reasonable half life.
However for the latest device in a box I am very interested to see what is really driving that.
@Harvey
I am happy to go to the phillipines to view the said device including signing an NDA and leaving the video camera behind. There are a lot of red flags from the video demo I saw, however there are somethings I am curious about. My main specialty has been as mentioned before hydrogen injection and as a hobby following magnetic motors.
I have doubts that it is tuned to the earths frequencies (I could be wrong) but the materials used may act as a capicitor or battery.
Mark

Rods = DeadDuck  ;)

When the device is available for public viewing you may well be among the first to see it. Those involved are working hard to ensure that this will not be suppressed in any way. I imagine they will seek UL certification prior to public access to it.

8)

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 04:26:02 AM
The Vortex list discussion is interesting.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg33518.html

There will always be misunderstandings surrounding written and spoken phrases. I know your education is well 'grounded' in science but it does not imply a physical wired connection. The use of the term is obvious in the context, has already been explained by myself in a prior post and the taking of exception of it is where the real misdirection exists.

Ask yourself this TK...what were you working on when you fell into the "Nowhere Man" project? Why have we kept you busy on other things all these years?  ;)

Quote from: Harvey on August 10, 2009, 06:59:26 PM
Ok, that's what I thought. I wanted to make certain that the rods were not being promoted in any way by NARF.

Let's see: the 6-rod in the plastic case appears in the Japanese brochure for Schwartz's ERR Corp. And it is featured at the top of Sterling's page on these devices. And I do recall seeing it on a NARF page, although the link doesn't work for me now. But OK, if you want to imply that I am not correct in associating Schwartz with the rods device, that's your prerogative. It's wrong, of course, but you have that privilege.

And if you are implying that I have been deliberately distracted to prevent me from applying my vaunted debunking powers and enormous intellect to projects like Schwartz's, then you've been reading Rosemary's verbiage for far too long.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
Let's see: the 6-rod in the plastic case appears in the Japanese brochure for Schwartz's ERR Corp. And it is featured at the top of Sterling's page on these devices. And I do recall seeing it on a NARF page, although the link doesn't work for me now. But OK, if you want to imply that I am not correct in associating Schwartz with the rods device, that's your prerogative. It's wrong, of course, but you have that privilege.

And if you are implying that I have been deliberately distracted to prevent me from applying my vaunted debunking powers and enormous intellect to projects like Schwartz's, then you've been reading Rosemary's verbiage for far too long.

Shame if i knew how a overunity device worked...i'd explain it all..and even the techniques...because all it takes is some misunderstanding.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 04:42:23 AM
It just gets more and more interesting.

We are agreed that the elemental rods are in the direct lineage of the Schwartz device, right?

Well, it looks like Stefan has been aware of this story for a while:
http://freenrg.fr/JapRod/Rodgen2.htm


And as if that's not enough, it appears that there is some kind of link with Dennis Lee. The one linked video seems to be missing, but there's another one in the same ucsofa directory that contains the same stuff, if you can stand to watch Dennis perform. He shows the "original" video at 1:45, and says that he (Dennis) has been showing this since 1997.
http://www.ucsofa.com/videos/case2.rm

This is one place we definitely disagree. The rods are not part of the ERR lineage. They may both be radiation reception devices, but then so are solar panels, TV antennas and a whole list of other devices common to all. The only connection between these two is Dr. Schwartz. His foundation has no negative association with it, and your inference here that it does borders on libel. As far as Dennis goes, I've never met the person nor am I personally familiar with any negative association therewith. I have seen many negative posts regarding this person, like the one above and I simply ignore them. What exactly was there in that video you linked to that you found objectionable?

:P

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
Let's see: the 6-rod in the plastic case appears in the Japanese brochure for Schwartz's ERR Corp. And it is featured at the top of Sterling's page on these devices. And I do recall seeing it on a NARF page, although the link doesn't work for me now. But OK, if you want to imply that I am not correct in associating Schwartz with the rods device, that's your prerogative. It's wrong, of course, but you have that privilege.

And if you are implying that I have been deliberately distracted to prevent me from applying my vaunted debunking powers and enormous intellect to projects like Schwartz's, then you've been reading Rosemary's verbiage for far too long.

There is absolutely no doubt that Dr. Schwartz was involved in the original video and subsequent attempts at manufacturing. There is also no doubt in my mind that I actually saw one of those 2 rod plastic devices here in the states at the swap meet, which means they were manufactured by some entity. It is also clear, that this technology has be 'binned' as you say. If anyone else is able to recreate them and market them, I hope the best for you - but the research shows them not to be cost effective.

I have to say, from first hand involvement with both individuals, TK and Dr. Schwartz, that TK encouraged hundreds of dollars to be spent on a known hoax where as Dr. Schwartz has not. If I had to make a character assessment between the two, TK just wouldn't measure up. Dr. Schwartz has been working toward giving the world access to better technology, while TK has been working hard at tearing it down.

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ETA: Your 'enormous intellect' can no doubt discern that I am referring to your career and what you probably would have been involved with had we not routed you in another direction so many years ago.

I would be willing to bet that no matter what energy has to come from somewhere so I do not believe that it will be created overunity the Co Efficient is simply a number that we derive in instances where we can not explain where the extra energy is extracted from ...

I believe the way to energy freedom is finding other sources and increasing ouput of current models.
(Most likely the later first.)

Oddly though there is a little of tree shaking going on in the ZPE field ... Coincidence maybe IDK but anyways energy is everything and everything is energy. Not destroyed and not created. The alpha and omega so to speak.

Alpha and omega.

Zpe/quantum/energy from the vaccum/cavitys, is without beginning and is without end..the universe has already existed forever ..and it will recycle it's self endlessly and it is a miracle that gives more out than in..that only god him self knows.

Zpe/quantum/energy from the vaccum/cavitys...is the backbone of the universe and acts as a catalyst.

Must faster than the speed of like...more like 0 seconds no matter the distance and gets faster and faster.

http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience i had a conversation with this guy...and it smells of quantum to me.

It's goes in and out of existance http://sites.google.com/site/appliedbiophysicsresearch/ .

Sorry but.

Where is the Void? I know. The Void* is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the Void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The Void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components.

* The Force - JAH.
King of kings' Bible - Thomas 1:6 But the Kingdom is within you and it is without you.
1:7 If you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the Living Father.
1:8 But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you ARE poverty.
http://jahtruth.net/kofkad.htm

Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately*. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the Universe than anything else!

* How could a finite object measure infinity? How can infinity be zero, except in man's illogic? - JAH.

What mystics call the Void is not a void. It is so full of energy*, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the (supposed - JAH) Big Bang is vibration, from the first Word, which is the first vibration.

* The Force - JAH.
http://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm

So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is part of God, literally, you, me. Everything is part of the Great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are, there is God, the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, there is God in that atom, and God in the Void.

As I was exploring the Void and all the Yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about Absolute Pure Consciousness, or God, coming into the Experience of Life as we know it. Godhead is about more than Life and Death. Therefore there is even more than Life and Death to experience in the Universe!
http://jahtruth.net/noti.htm

I was in the Void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was seeing through God's eyes. I had become part of God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking through God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything. The interesting point was that I went into the Void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about.
http://jahtruth.net/noti.htm

So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God ... God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where we find Him.

When I realized this, I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second Light, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights.

I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the Light of God; everything is very intelligently formed.

When will this unit go on sale in the philipines?


If i read good things about it..on the internet..think i'll order one from the philipines if i could.

Oh wait silly me it will never be on the market system.

My goodness, Harvey, I see you are indeed taking a page from Ainslie's book. Innuendo without support, ad hominem abusive argumentation, straw men, and ill-conceived jumping to conclusions, all in one short post. I think you should refresh your beverage, you've clearly drunk that one dry.

Please provide a link to where TK has, as you accuse, encouraged anyone to spend hundreds of dollars on a known hoax. If you are referring to the "al" character, you will find, I believe, that he ALWAYS told people not to spend anything they couldn't well afford, and that there was nothing unusual about his device anyway, and absolutely never did he claim in any way that "free energy" was involved. In fact, IIRC, he even sent out parts on his own dime to aid the builders in their quest. Has Schwartz done anything like that? No.
If you can provide evidence otherwise, let's see it.

And as far as surreptitiously influencing my career goes, you are spinning fantasy. My privileges and problems are my own doing, and if I seriously thought that you or anyone else was in any way manipulating me, I would be compelled to take action. But I'm not that paranoid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29JewlGsYxs

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 10, 2009, 09:26:52 PM
My goodness, Harvey, I see you are indeed taking a page from Ainslie's book. Innuendo without support, ad hominem abusive argumentation, straw men, and ill-conceived jumping to conclusions, all in one short post. I think you should refresh your beverage, you've clearly drunk that one dry.

Please provide a link to where TK has, as you accuse, encouraged anyone to spend hundreds of dollars on a known hoax. If you are referring to the "al" character, you will find, I believe, that he ALWAYS told people not to spend anything they couldn't well afford, and that there was nothing unusual about his device anyway, and absolutely never did he claim in any way that "free energy" was involved. In fact, IIRC, he even sent out parts on his own dime to aid the builders in their quest. Has Schwartz done anything like that? No.
If you can provide evidence otherwise, let's see it.

And as far as surreptitiously influencing my career goes, you are spinning fantasy. My privileges and problems are my own doing, and if I seriously thought that you or anyone else was in any way manipulating me, I would be compelled to take action. But I'm not that paranoid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29JewlGsYxs

You knew the WhiPMag was powered and you withheld that information even when you knew Madprof was spending hundreds of dollars trying to replicate the results to substantiate your claims that it ran for 7 hours. Then, instead of just coming clean and telling everyone the unit was powered, you even perpetuated the construction of it by assisting in getting correct dimension and supplying the spindles to us. Your continued exclusion of the fact that you did motorize the OCMPMM is a sign of untruthfulness. That being said, I am able to see the larger picture and both the lessons and research involved. Most of those involved have no regrets for having spent the money, I know I don't. And most of us recognize what you are and why you do what you do. Even so, I place Dr. Schwartz above you as far as social trustworthiness and forthrightness go. You will always hide your real self and real motives. He places his picture on the group for all to see, and only isolates himself for privacy to do work and out of concern for his family. You could still redeem yourself you know, the fellows at FizzX are waiting for you to confirm that my analysis was correct.

Game Over.

8)

@ tell me Tk
do you not respond to any of my posts because you feel I am intellectually not up to it. or is there another reason. I am very thick skinned.
i have found over many years that everyone is valuable and I am at home talking to would be inventors in a tin shed or lobbying a senator.
I may appear to be a simpleton to many, but that is my choice. However I find it a common courtesy to respond.
I do know about some of your pranks in the past ..and in at least one case alerted others to the follie. However I do have respect for you intellect.
Kind regards
Mark

@Harvey:
Once again, you are mistaken. Ask Babcat, he knows the truth.
I am afraid your analysis is, at best, incomplete, if not totally incorrect. The game isn't over, because you are now out on a couple of limbs that surely will not support real weight, and you will see, soon enough.
Your evident collusion with Schwartz and that curious coincidence with the Ainslie parts supplier indicates to me that the "degrees of separation" are a bit too few where you are concerned, certainly. I'm not sure what your motives are but they seem increasingly sinister to me.

Quote from: markdansie on August 10, 2009, 11:12:04 PM
@ tell me Tk
do you not respond to any of my posts because you feel I am intellectually not up to it. or is there another reason. I am very thick skinned.
i have found over many years that everyone is valuable and I am at home talking to would be inventors in a tin shed or lobbying a senator.
I may appear to be a simpleton to many, but that is my choice. However I find it a common courtesy to respond.
I do know about some of your pranks in the past ..and in at least one case alerted others to the follie. However I do have respect for you intellect.
Kind regards
Mark

I don't really see anything that I need to respond to, sorry. I don't think you are a simpleton at all, wherever did you get that idea?
And you really should be certain of your target, before you loose any arrows.

@Tk,
I wasnt actually firing any arrows, sorry I expressed myself in a way you thought that.
I remember back in the days when I was a NEC member alerting Sterling and the NEC about your device and video's. You were very clever in your wording, but your intent was clear to me from the start that you wanted to teach people a broader lesson, whilst still maintaining some belief that their may be some potential. I found it ironic that Sterling defended you with a vengence and yet embraced Mylow with such passion to the point of putting himself at financial risk and damaging the NEC (lots of resignations followed mine...shame really they are a good group)
Now in the case of Dr Schwartz, I think we can agree the rods ..whoever developed or promoted them is a dead duck. They were never overunity devices..but I susspect we all know how they really worked (just speculation on my part)
However with his new ERR it did start me on investigating left hand materials. Some interesting possabilities there.
At this stage I will be specific and will make it easy as a multiple choice question to see what your thoughts are.
1. The ERR is a hoax powered by a hidden battery, cap or perhaps some rod's
2. There could be something to ERR left field materials
3. The arrangements of the plates allow them to act as a capacitor or battery that can store a few hundreds w/h for short demonstrations
4. You have issues with Dr Schartz past and poor choice in associates (Mr Lee)
5. You have better things to do with your time.

You are very good at semantics, and many other things.
Kind Regards
Mark

Prior work by the same inventor seems very important to me.
Mylow may work another couple of years, with real determination, on a simple permanent magnet motor. Will we believe him when he claims that again?
With Schwarz having prior work, it is quite vital to know of the relevance of those rods. Who knows, he may have sold the rights, only to be further explored (by the buyer or even Schwarz himself) after a contracted amount of years. But, he can come up with new things. If the rods were real, this will likely also be.

I posted in the solar area but I think it is due to be said here. I was reading of this new idea invented in I believe Canada. It is a solar panel with higher output than the silicon style. It uses various sprayed layers of elements and it produces electricity. Is this not left handed materials at work? One of the companies I saw was NanoSolar. Google it up. I think there are many combinations of materials to work with this idea. Why be disproving the nanotechnology when we could rationalize possible materials and get building? Thanks.

@ Cloxxki
You make a good point. I do think however it needs to be independently tested or validated. Why show a video at all at this stage?
However I guess we will have to be patient and work to their schedule.
Anything we conclude at this stage would be speculation, however I will err on the side of caution as yhe onus is on the claim being made.
I do not believe this is overunity but if it does work will be fully explainable by conventional physics.
However there are a lot of red flags, but we do have a witness at least, just not enough test data.
Mark

Mark asked:

Quote from: markdansie on August 10, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
-snip-
1. The ERR is a hoax powered by a hidden battery, cap or perhaps some rod's
2. There could be something to ERR left field materials
3. The arrangements of the plates allow them to act as a capacitor or battery that can store a few hundreds w/h for short demonstrations
4. You have issues with Dr Schartz past and poor choice in associates (Mr Lee)
5. You have better things to do with your time.

-snip-

Let's see...
1) Probably. I think that's got to be the default assumption until Harvey or someone else who knows which end of a probe gets plugged in where gets to take a closer look.
2) Sure. I don't know enough about the theory but you've got to ask yourself if it is consistent with what we pretty much do know about other stuff.
3) Almost certainly not.
4) I don't know Schwartz from Noah, but I would like to know what his doctorate is in and where he got it from, and the topic of his dissertation, and who his thesis advisor was. If he's a medical doctor, what is his specialty and how long has he been practicing? All of these are perfectly legitimate questions for anyone who calls themselves "Doctor" and expects others to do the same.
As far as his association with Dennis Lee goes, I am only aware of that through the links on the site I linked above. I seriously doubt that anyone but a fool would associate with Lee at this point.
5) That's probably true. Like I said earlier, the only thing that even remotely interested me about this thing was when Harvey started talking about seeing it in person. I have had a lot of respect for Harvey, so I perked up and started paying attention. But I think I've learned enough to satisfy me for a while--both about ERR and NARF, and about Harvey as well.

With all the Tesla wireless energy transmission experiments going on (Dr. Stiffler seems to lead the pack here), I can well imagine such plates to be used as resonators. I'll admit this idea comes from the Steven Marks discussions, where it has been suggested that perhaps he had the one replication, but was presenting it as the other.

Somehow all this plate business reminds me of the new loudspeaker technology, which pretty much consists of a thin square plate rather than a usual round speaker with acoustic box, and the plate can be snipe-aimed at the desired destination of the sound. An acoustic laser, if you will, I just made that up.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 11, 2009, 10:33:43 AM
4) I don't know Schwartz from Noah, but I would like to know what his doctorate is in and where he got it from, and the topic of his dissertation, and who his thesis advisor was. If he's a medical doctor, what is his specialty and how long has he been practicing? All of these are perfectly legitimate questions for anyone who calls themselves "Doctor" and expects others to do the same.

There's been a lot of folks asking similar questions about you, TK. Who are you? What is your educational background? Where do you work? What qualifications do you have?

Quote from: 0c on August 11, 2009, 11:59:52 AM
There's been a lot of folks asking similar questions about you, TK. Who are you? What is your educational background? Where do you work? What qualifications do you have?

Really? Name one.
I'm a monster. I've dropped out or been flunked out of 5 major world-class universities, and slept through classes in a couple more. I work as a recycled bicycle repairperson in Kensington Market.
http://www.mikethebike.ca/
I have a USCF rating of 1640.

From now on, you can call me "Doctor Koala".

Screwing up yet another interesting thread

@TK,
thanks for your answers, I have a similar opinion...that proberbly scary for you.
I am also curious what Dr Schartz claims to be a doctor in....any light on thta Harvey?
I am always curious of people that call themselves doctors.
I have to confess, I have no degree. However I did manage part of a university once and managed many people who had several PH'ds between them. They never held that against me (they had no choice as you dont want to piss the boss of)
I see already the sharks are circling you and the want to be beleivers always attack the messenger. I have been tempted to publish a paper on the cult like behaviour of Overunity supporters.
I am not sure why so many people are upset with you, I think you more like the character called Brian in "The Life of Brian"..you were just a naughty boy. However its not fair using your intellectual advantage to lead those who are easily led astray.
@ Harvey
Do you think via skype or by other means you could arrange a conference call so we could ask some basic questions of Dr Schartz. Failure to do that, could you forward some questions for us that he may choose to answer.
Kind Regards
Mark

People who need to show of the title which is a the result of a few years of adolescence and long winded end paper, always make me wonder. In Germany especially , the purchsing assistants I get to deal with (I'm in sales), make sure to use their full title under emails (men mostly). I am just not impressed. While they were doing the student things with the booze, the women, and the occasional class attendance, I was paying a whole lot of taxes, seeing the reality of working life 5 years earlier.

Now, if you create a working OU device that is free for others to use, and well replicable, you've done something to really earn that dr. title. But still, it will say more about you as a person to use it, than about your accomplishments to have it.
MD's at least save (or end) lives on a daily basis. That's something else than writing a paper to satisfy a professor once, which does no addition to global science whatsoever.

OK, rant done.

Does Mr. Schwarz have a utility company account, or could he cancel that already?

If you can't make it simple, then maybe its not true. Why is it many talk OU, and yet they keep it a secret?
Look at all the inventors that claim OU, it always turn in to the dollar sign....
This is my simple free energy, at a output of 2.5 kw solar power station.
It's not OU, but it is free energy from the Sun.
If its free fron the sun, then most would say OU because they don't have to paid for it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/OverUnityNow1#play/uploads/21/WskItfkpS4g

Tom

Quote from: Tommey Reed on August 12, 2009, 04:33:25 AM
If you can't make it simple, then maybe its not true. Why is it many talk OU, and yet they keep it a secret?
Look at all the inventors that claim OU, it always turn in to the dollar sign....
This is my simple free energy, at a output of 2.5 kw solar power station.
It's not OU, but it is free energy from the Sun.
If its free fron the sun, then most would say OU because they don't have to paid for it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/OverUnityNow1#play/uploads/21/WskItfkpS4g

Tom

Tom, we very much appreciate your contributions to the OverUnity Forum, but can you please stick to the subject in this thread or start a dedicated topic on your solution(s)? Thanks.

With both of our schedules I have not been in contact with Dr. Schwartz for a couple of days now.

Dr. Schwartz has confided in me regarding his career and the events that brought him to the present stage of the ERR, however, I feel these details are his to tell and unless he gives me specific permission to broadcast them globally, I will not. I'm sure that even TK agrees that some things belong to the individual to share.

It is my understanding that the information Dr. Schwartz is able to disclose has already been disclosed here in this thread or in the recent letter to members posted in the group. Anything beyond that I think will have to wait, but you never know what question might be able to be answered so feel free to ask them. I believe that if he was at liberty to answer them, he would not hesitate.

As regards the technolgy of the device and its probability, I've stated before that the skeptics should just move along, there is nothing here for them. If they want to believe there are batteries in the panels, then let them. It is no different than the persecution that T. H. Moray had to endure with his device. I've read the online letters that the FBI had written regarding the efforts to discredit Mr. Moray. They were unable to find any fault with his claims. I'm sure TK would have found some fault with his credentials though - or even Dr. Tesla's for that matter. It's funny, I rarely even consider Nikola's credentials, as the body of his work far eclipses the parchment. So for me, unless it is proven otherwise, I give the possibilty the benefit of the doubt.

8)

his is how I see it:
The plates are collector from the back wall, very strange picture!
The field is transmiting from the wall to the collector box.
If you look very hard at the 2 wire going into the inside little box, and the other wire going to the left side.
Why is all of the electronics hiding?
Looks like a very simple inverter to me, or a transformer collector...

Tom

These plates are call capacitors, with a field coils in the middle. The energy is being collected not from the ground but from another source.
I like the cheap metter counter too, very cool random number generator.
I bet if he turns on the random generator, the number would be different!
Ask your selfs, why hide all the electronics?
Why not do this out in the open air, and not hide everything?
If this was so free energy, then why not show eneryone how it is made?
I see a scam, and you all play into it!

Tom...

The magniworks ad on the website certifies this as another scam for me.

I suggest though to look into 'left-handed' or metamaterial research as it's better known since there are some actual results coming out from this field.

This reminds me of Dennis lee projects, just the same old tricks.
At least I show how my systems work, unlike most people trying to scam others.

Very simple antenna, pull energy for power lines.
The closer I get to the power lines, the more energy increase.

Can we say a transformer without the core, that is how I do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EEGgVpAfkA

Tom...

@Harvey: of course I agree with some of what you say. But it is somewhat disingenuous of you to left-handedly compare Doctor Schwartz (of what? from where? this is not information, since he uses the title, that is legitimately kept private) to compare, I say, the good Doctor with Nikola Tesla. Tesla's patents are available for anyone to see and replicate; his priority in several inventions has been affirmed in courts; offshoots of his inventions are in daily use by me and by you, even at this moment.
I suppose you will say that it is just a matter of time, before we revere Doctor Schwartz in the same manner. I say, "Don't hold your breath."

If I am going to call someone Doctor, I damn sure want to know "Doctor of What." Since I know something of what it takes to earn a PhD. degree from a real academic institute in a "hard science."

That's Dr. Nikola Tesla btw.

http://www.ttr.com/Who%20Was%20Dr%20Tesla.pdf

@markdansie: You're certainly wrong about "intellect". I'm actually too stupid to make a decent living or to have any social relationships, beyond talking to my landlord for a few minutes when I manage to pay the rent. I really am a monster, just as Rosemary says. Living underground, communicating by the stupid internet, avoiding contact with real people. It's a wonderful life.
But I do have a relatively good education, even if I have wasted it on self-indulgence and hedonism. And at one time I worked pretty hard at getting it. So I resent it when people claim educational or professional qualifications without justification, and I respect greatly those who did legitimately go through the process.
I mean, even John Hutchison, ffs, has been known to go by "Doctor Hutchison" and for all I know he might even have a piece of fake sheepskin that has his name on it. But I'll never call him that, except in sarcasm.

And I have absolutely no influence on -- nor responsibility for --  whether or not adult people choose to believe the impossible, based on the flimsiest of evidence and the wildest assumptions, in spite of direct statements from someone who should know, that their beliefs and conclusions are erroneous.

By now, that much should be very obvious to everyone.

 TK
"And I have absolutely no influence on -- nor responsibility for --  whether or not adult people choose to believe the impossible, based on the flimsiest of evidence and the wildest assumptions, in spite of direct statements from someone who should know, that their beliefs and conclusions are erroneous."

Having been an editor once I think this could be more simply said as " I dont tollerate fools"

Please do not discount yourself too much. many people with very high IQ's end up with the most mundane jobs like clerks.

I was thinking of decorating our resident Koala on the property I live with some left over xmas decorations. I decided against this as the world is not ready for two TK's

As for the other posts re it could have been transmitted from another source..well done. There are a lot of other red flags as well. I have eliminated fishing line.

I am not being skeptical here Harvey and will hang around like I have on many other occasions to see the outcome. Unfortunately history on this site has not been kind to the many hundreds of claims made over the years. However in some cases there is a lot of entertainment value (Mylow was a real hoot and I miss the posts)

The optomist in me hopes that this has some merrit. As usual time will tell.
My email is markdansie@bigpond.com drop me a line. I have a couple of things that might be usefull you can pass on.
Kind Regards
Mark

@TK
Quote:
"I'm actually too stupid to make a decent living or to have any social relationships, beyond talking to my landlord for a few minutes when I manage to pay the rent. I really am a monster, just as Rosemary says. Living underground, communicating by the stupid internet, avoiding contact with real people. It's a wonderful life."

LOL, this field of technology tends to swallow one whole and it is no easy matter to find and maintain balance in our lives.

Quote:
"And I have absolutely no influence on -- nor responsibility for --  whether or not adult people choose to believe the impossible, based on the flimsiest of evidence and the wildest assumptions, in spite of direct statements from someone who should know, that their beliefs and conclusions are erroneous."

That would depend on your perspective of impossible, one man's impossibility may be another man's every day experience. For example many responsible, intelligent adults tell me I cannot get something from nothing that is impossible, but upon questioning them not one--nobody-- has ever told me where this nothing is or where I would find it, as "nothing" is by definition a space devoid of everything including energy. Because all space must be occupied by energy propogating to a greater or lesser extent the very premise of "nothing" would seem flawed. The error as always is assuming our perspective must be the correct one, everyone without exception has the capacity to be wrong no matter their education or background, like this "nothing" I speak of it is not a black and white issue, it is always a matter of degrees.
Regards
AC

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 12, 2009, 07:35:59 AM
@Harvey: of course I agree with some of what you say. But it is somewhat disingenuous of you to left-handedly compare Doctor Schwartz (of what? from where? this is not information, since he uses the title, that is legitimately kept private) to compare, I say, the good Doctor with Nikola Tesla. Tesla's patents are available for anyone to see and replicate; his priority in several inventions has been affirmed in courts; offshoots of his inventions are in daily use by me and by you, even at this moment.
I suppose you will say that it is just a matter of time, before we revere Doctor Schwartz in the same manner. I say, "Don't hold your breath."

If I am going to call someone Doctor, I damn sure want to know "Doctor of What." Since I know something of what it takes to earn a PhD. degree from a real academic institute in a "hard science."

Fine. For you, his name is Mr. J. B. Schwartz. For the group, we can call him Ben. He doesn't publicize his credentials, they were publicized by others and the rest of us used the title out of respect. I'm sure with your 'enormous intellect' and connections 'at the highest levels' you can find out where on the planet he earned his credentials. It's moot. The body of the work eclipses the letters behind the name.

::)

Quote from: janne808 on August 12, 2009, 06:38:56 AM
The magniworks ad on the website certifies this as another scam for me.

I suggest though to look into 'left-handed' or metamaterial research as it's better known since there are some actual results coming out from this field.

I too was taken back when I saw not one, but 3 Ads for 'Magnawerx' (sic) - Then I realized that these are simply Injected Google ads that NARF has little control over. Either you allow the ads or remove the module completely - Bleagh - I wish TK would jump on Google for allowing them in the first place. I could probably follow the money trail on that one and end up in some obscure unregulated country somewhere - if anyone gets to the bottom of it, please post the results.

:-\

Quote from: Harvey on August 12, 2009, 02:23:19 PM
Fine. For you, his name is Mr. J. B. Schwartz. For the group, we can call him Ben. He doesn't publicize his credentials, they were publicized by others and the rest of us used the title out of respect. I'm sure with your 'enormous intellect' and connections 'at the highest levels' you can find out where on the planet he earned his credentials. It's moot. The body of the work eclipses the letters behind the name.

::)

OK, from that I guess we can "assume" then that his "doctorate" is from a divinity school or a diploma mill, or is an "honorary" award from an academic institution.

So, "Ben" it is, then.

Until otherwise indicated, that is.

Now, could you provide some references to the "body of work" that eclipses the "Dr." that Ben uses behind his name? I'd like to take a look. At something besides YT videos and the NARF (cracks me up, along with ERR...) website...

A single peer-reviewed article in a known scientific journal would be a nice place to start, if it isn't too technical for my meager brain...

Quote from: Harvey on August 12, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
I too was taken back when I saw not one, but 3 Ads for 'Magnawerx' (sic) - Then I realized that these are simply Injected Google ads that NARF has little control over. Either you allow the ads or remove the module completely - Bleagh - I wish TK would jump on Google for allowing them in the first place. I could probably follow the money trail on that one and end up in some obscure unregulated country somewhere - if anyone gets to the bottom of it, please post the results.

:-\

Yeah that seems to be the case, good call.

In case anyone is wondering 'Magniwork' or 'Magnawork' or what ever they call themselves seems to be a internet pyramid scam. You can find just about every related 'OU' video posted all over the internets with the name plastered on top.

Quote from: Tommey Reed on August 12, 2009, 05:17:29 AM
his is how I see it:
The plates are collector from the back wall, very strange picture!
The field is transmiting from the wall to the collector box.
If you look very hard at the 2 wire going into the inside little box, and the other wire going to the left side.
Why is all of the electronics hiding?
Looks like a very simple inverter to me, or a transformer collector...

Tom

If NARF has perfected the transmission of wireless power to the degree you have indicated then let us all jump for joy as even the universities are struggling with keeping the energy focused.

But I can tell you, that when the device was demonstrated to me, if any transmitter existed it would have had to been a minimum of  10 feet away, because that was the nearest wall. The only other two walls were farther away and went to outside and the other  division line was an opening into two entirely different rooms, one about 12' square and the other a long rectangular room with an outside wall about 40 feet from the device. I do not think that this is an inductive receiver.

My educated guesses are:
1. It works as claimed
2. The panels have batteries and some type of wireless switch in them.

So, until either is proven or disproven I will be supporting the claim and awaiting its release.

I am glad to see you thinking about it. Sometimes we have to stare at a puzzle piece for a while before we can fit it into place mentally.  ;)

8)

@TK

My accountant told me once:

"You know those doctors, they always get a priority treatment no matter where they are. For example, if they call to book airplane tickets, and say I'm Dr. So and So, they'd get ahead of the line. Well, I think I'm going to start calling myself a doctor and when they ask me what I'm doctor of, I'll tell them - doctor of love."

So ever since then I keep calling him "The Love Doctor" or Dr. J (his last name initial) and people seem to catch on it as well. He does not mind it and I do not see any harm as nobody can question his "credentials" of being a doctor of love.

Thus, anyone can claim "doctorship" over a field they create. Since there's no one else being an expert in it you have every right to call yourself whatever you like. Let's remember such luminaries as L. Ron Hubbard who created Scientology and gave himself the title of the Commodore, being above all other ranks in his religion.

Anyway, sorry for the digression, I just thought it was an amusing story and befitting the current conversation. :D

By the way, if I bring my bike to the shop will you service it? Can I also bring my scope for the tune-up as well? :)

   Whats in a name. If you have the title, use it. Big deal.

  For the fun of it, I am actually Sir Thaelin. Knighted by the Duke
of Cannesbury for good deeds to humanity. I never use it tho.
Just me.

thay         8)

Anyone remember Sir Basil of Overfirstengoggle ?

@amigo, Sure! If you don't mind an electronics technician working on your bike, what could be wrong with a bike repariman tuning up your scope? Rotate the probes, change the charge on the capacitors, polish the resistors, and re-align the oblivial pivot, true up the waveforms, and oil all the controls.

@harvey: Since the device seems to do the impossible, it seems to me that the appropriate attitude is to nod head wisely, and then look for any and all ways that it could be "faked" or could be producing its effects by, shall we say, other than the stated means. Set up the appropriate Null Hypothesis and then try to disprove it. Batteries in the panels? What evidence FOR this is there? Is there any empirical test or research or examination of existing material that would allow us to REJECT once and for all the idea that there are batteries in the panels?
And so forth.
Only when All Possible alternative Null hypotheses have been rejected, by experimentation or logical deduction (not induction) from what is known for sure...only then should one adopt Harvey's attitude of "support until proven wrong".

I mean, you can certainly believe whatever you want in your heart of hearts, but really, trying to tear down the nulls is really the only way to know what's going on.

Officially, that is.
Who knows what data streams the Puka can tap, with those big invisible ears.

Please can we come back to the technical site of the discussion.

Please no more babbling about doctor tites, etc...

Please only discussion about the left hand materials and how
it might work.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Quote from: hartiberlin on August 13, 2009, 08:46:22 AM
Please can we come back to the technical site of the discussion.

Please no more babbling about doctor tites, etc...

Please only discussion about the left hand materials and how
it might work.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Dear Admin,

What's  wrong with using titles and certificates to prove a fantastic claims?

What's wrong if someone wants to check those titles?

After all, THEY claim the "impossible"...

And, I'd like to see a "real doctor" messing with the fringe technology at least once....

The best I could came up with in the last decade was a "doctor of chiropractics" (claiming the woo woo physics science knowledge).  ;D

Now, how many "real" doctors we really have here (this site) ???

Hey, don't be afraid to tell...

If my memory serves me well, we had a "pet" doctor once, also there was a "natural sciences" "doctor" from the Philippines, and the ..
This is a fairy tale, ...

Anyone else?

;)

Good point we should get back to the technical discussion.
I wonder if you combined left handed materials with right handed if they would become ambidexrous.
I would give my right arm to ambidexrous.
Kind Regards
Mark

PS I am still studying up on left handed materials. will report back when I find something that is in plain english.

Quote from: markdansie on August 13, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
Good point we should get back to the technical discussion.
I wonder if you combined left handed materials with right handed if they would become ambidexrous.
I would give my right arm to ambidexrous.
Kind Regards
Mark

PS I am still studying up on left handed materials. will report back when I find something that is in plain english.

Hey! I resemble that remark - in a somewhat lysdexic way.  :-\

Looks like we need a ' We can't live without "humor" ' forum on this site.

Regards...

In looking at the overview property of metamaterials we see that the 'wave' energy tends to propagate in the reverse direction. It would be like taking a Newtons Cradle and dropping the first ball, but instead of the energy moving through the stack and making the last ball eject from the stack, the energy wave moves from the last ball to the first through the stack, and then the last ball inexplicably jumps away from the stack.

In the electromagnetic view where force, current and magnetic fields intersect, we find that the 3 vectors commonly associated with those 3 have one vector inverted so that a left handed model must be used.

EDIT:
(forgot to include the negative index link)
http://people.ee.duke.edu/~drsmith/negative_index_about.htm

http://people.ee.duke.edu/~drsmith/about_metamaterials.html

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/apr/10-metamaterial-revolution-new-science-making-anything-disappear

http://science.howstuffworks.com/invisible-tank1.htm


The more we learn, the more we realize there is more to learn.
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jan/043

8)

Quote from: http://people.ee.duke.edu/~drsmith/collaborators.htm#prog5Metamaterial Lenses for High-Gain Antenna Applications

In this program, we will perform a detailed theoretical and experimental study of the properties of negative index lenses, which we have shown to possess a dramatically reduced geometrical aberration profile than is possible with positive index lenses. The coupling of a radiating element with a lens can form the basis of a high-gain antenna, which will be demonstrated and optimized in this program.

This award is a Postdoctoral Research Fellowship from the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technologies.
PI: David R. Smith (Duke)
PI: Dr. David Schurig (Duke)
Funding Agency: DCI
Program Officer: Gwen Wood
NGA Website    

 

Quote from: markdansie on August 13, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
Good point we should get back to the technical discussion.

That was funny. :D

-bye

Quote from: Harvey on August 13, 2009, 04:30:36 PM

So it's probably a focused beam high-gain transmitter and receiver.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the properties of bismuth and that it is diamagnetic. 
Here's a link to levitating magnets using bismuth.

http://www.fieldlines.com/other/diamag1.html

This EER device, could very well be simular to a generator I saw a few years ago.  Due to the diamagnetic material, a coil will begin to self resonate.  He does say he uses a transmiter (to stimulate the plates)

Interesting device, I hope it's not galvanic action
EM

What does everybody think of this true or false



posted by power technology  September 11, 2008, 01:52:31 PM on elemental rod thread


Hi,

I am new to the group. The reason that I joined is because someone
told me that this is the best alternative and free-energy group on the net.
My partner and I are always on the lookout for the elusive Free-Energy Device
that really works. I was really surprised to see Dr. Schwartz's ERR
Technology being discussed in the group. My company is very familiar with his research.     
I first met Dr. Schwartz back in Jan. of 1998 when my wife and I went to the Philippines
to visit her parents. While we were there her father asked if I would like to go with
him to a lecture at the University of the Philippines. The lecture was about alternative
energy given by Dr. J. B. Schwartz from the Noahs Ark Research Foundation. The
lecture started at 8 am and ended at 12 noon. During the whole four hour lecture
Dr. Schwartz powered his public address system, an old 17 in. black and white
television and two 100-watt
light bulbs. He spoke about many different kinds of alternative energy but the
one that I was most impressed with was has Electromagnetic Radiation Receiver that
he was powering all his equipment with. At first I was skeptical about his ERR as
he called it because it looked too small and light to be used to run all his equipment.

His ERR device consisted of two rods which I believed to be nano-tubes, two copper
coils on two very strong magnets about an inch or more apart, a complicated looking
circuit board, a small DC volt meter and some three prong electrical outlets all
mounted on a thin piece of plywood. At the beginning of his lecture I noticed that
the reading on the voltmeter was reading 15.4 to 16.6 DC volts and after four hours
later it was still reading the same.

I asked him if the ERR could be moved from the table to another part of the room and
still produce power. He agreed and unplugged his pa system and allowed three people
from the audience to carry the ERR, the television and the inverter to different parts
of the room and it didn't seem to affect its power output at all. We were also
allowed to examine the table and it proved to be a light-folding table. I found no
source of power other than the ERR itself. The only thing that I found to be strange
was when I used his metal ruler to test the magnets; I accidentally put the ruler
across both magnets and the power shut down. Dr. Schwartz seemed to be a little
upset because of the difficulty pulling the metal ruler off the magnets. After
the ruler was removed the power came back on. When I asked him why the power went
off he said that I shouldn't short the magnets because it could damage the
unit. He seemed irritated with me so I didn't persist any farther.
         
After his lecture I asked him if he could meet with my company to talk about
possible investment in his ERR technology but he didn't seem too interested
in taking to investors.

Soon after returning to the US I was able to convince my partner that it would be
worth it if we donated $100,000 to the Noah's Ark Research Foundation.
About a month later the money was returned to our bank. After many emails
Dr. Schwartz replied, I don't except money from investors.
I figured that he was pissed at me because I shorted his unit. I later found out
from a source in Arizona that hes financially well off plus hes
a save the world freak and a very difficult person to work with.

My partner thinks that he must have been transmitting the power from outside the
room and picking it up with his ERR but I don't think so. He also thought
that he made bank interest on our money before he sent it back so I checked with
Dr. Schwartz's bank and they said that no interest was made on our money.
They said that they had instructions from Dr. Schwartz to return the money to the
sender and that he didn't give any reason.

For several years I hadn't heard much about Dr. Schwartz's ERR until
2003 when I went to Japan to see a device at the University of Tokushima. After
seeing both Dr. Schwartz's ERR back in 1998 and the one at the University
of Tokushima in 2003 I'm now convinced that both are using the same
basic technology.

@powerunlimited,
nice post.
I believe the account was true and accurate. It still doesnt explain how it works but shows a different perspective to Mr Shwatz.
I still am not sure of his motive, given now it does not appear to be money. However by releasing or at least licencing the technology the project could be rapidly accellerated.
I am sitting on the fence with this one and guess will have to be patient. This is highly unusual for me given my usual shoot em down guns blazing appoach.
Mark

Quote from: EMdevices on August 14, 2009, 03:09:43 AM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the properties of bismuth and that it is diamagnetic. 
Here's a link to levitating magnets using bismuth.

http://www.fieldlines.com/other/diamag1.html

This EER device, could very well be simular to a generator I saw a few years ago.  Due to the diamagnetic material, a coil will begin to self resonate.  He does say he uses a transmiter (to stimulate the plates)

Interesting device, I hope it's not galvanic action
EM

Yeah I guess a sligthly less probable alternative would be that it's one of those old radiant Tesla ideas coupled with some metamaterial focusing.

@powerunlimited,

I have no problems with that story from a content perspective. I have been told that Dr. Schwartz has given lectures in those locations and in India as well. I have not asked how many lectures or everywhere they have been given.

I do recall Dr. Schwartz saying that during one lecture, a thunderstorm became active about 20 miles away and this had the undesirable effect of over production in the unit which began smoking and he had to pull one of the control wires off to shut it down.

As far as the truthfulness of the post otherwise, perhaps you can contact the author of the post for verification of his particular experience. The story does corroborate some of what Dr. Schwartz has stated.

8)

@markdansie,
you have to look beyond what you see to get an idea
whats real or phony.Example in the ERR video the doctor says about connecting with the earth,
well immediately you think hes using the con mans book"How to fool people for proft",ha ha.
He starts the device it begins counting then it locks,then the doctor makes a comment,
funny stuff.
People here react to this in a very nasty way,con man,fraud.You have to look beyond this,
the doctor said that
a special pulse at a frequency has to be applied to get a voltage output,so first step you
sweep across different frequencies to get an idea the range needed to generate voltage,
very easy thing just move the unit around,
when it moves it must have a different locking frequency,next
you make a program using a programable frequency generator.You sample the output voltage
you start at the  beginning of the range of frequencies that gives you the effect,you sample
the voltage, no voltage ,increment frequency
you sample and increment untill a votage appears,then you stop thats the lock.
As for the doctors intention I think that he hopes that he can perfect
the technology and then,open source part of it and sell part of it or lease it.However that
can't happen heres why,He like the tpu's inventor doesn't know how it works,so can't perfect it
thats why its flaky ,only if you know how exactly it works can you perfect it
and limit the bad effects.The right hand ,left hand materials is silly,it takes energy to move electrons
because a material is left hand makes no difference it still takes energy to move electrons.This device
and the tpu are energy converters
they convert an unknown energy source into a different form this is allowed under conventional physics,
they are not free energy devices,
the tpu people on
this site have tried to figure out what it is for years and haven't yet,steven mark the inventor of the
tpu didn't have a clue what the energy source is and  only that it works and said so recently.

@Harvey
,the point of the post,was that the ERR comes directly
from the rod device the description indicates that a circuit board
was added to pulse the rod device to get more power.
In the rod video the device puts out 18 watts no circuit board,in
power technology's post the modified rod device puts out a lot
more power than 18 watts,more like 300 watts,it also appears that this system was
used in the
device made in japan,the box container hiding the circuit board and other parts.The ERR seen in the video is
coming directly from the rod device its not two technologies but one,the same.
I believe that the device works,I don't believe that the doctor
has a clue how it works,hes doing a trial and error type of
development.Right hand materials or left hand materials you need energy
to move electrons,where is it coming from,the materials he uses are also diamagnetic and paramagnetic.
For this to be real it has to be an energy converter changing one source of
energy to another,not a free energy device.Power technology's post also inicates that
the rod device uses two ring or circular permanent magnets at the base of the rod device,to operate.
The doctor does lie and  manipulate facts however that doesn't make the rod device or ERR any less real.

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 13, 2009, 03:26:39 PM
Looks like we need a ' We can't live without "humor" ' forum on this site.

Regards...

http://www.iwise.com/3Wog4

;D

@ Powerunlimited,

I had a pretty good look inside that ERR and didn't see anything that resembled a 'nano-tube' rod. I have a packages of nano-tubes right here within arms reach and I don't see any connection between them and the rods. Keep in mind that the post you have quoted made assumptions regarding the rods, perhaps from some of the information provided in the lecture, but still they were just guesses. Those that are jumping to conclusions here and trying to tie the rods in with the ERR are really basing that on a lot of speculation. From what I have seen, and what I have been told, the rods are a completely unrelated technology which has been shelved for cost reasons. If things change where the cost is not a big factor, then that technology may be revisited - after all, old capped oil wells are being reopened because demand continues to increase and it makes running those pumps cost effective to do now when a few years ago it wasn't cost effective.

You made a statement that 'the doctor' lies, could you please clarify that comment?
:-\

@harvey
I agree with you that I feel the rods and the ERR are not connected. I believe the rods worked but were too costly and eventually ran down. if you like an expensive battery. I fear there may have been other issues like radiation or just plain dangerous materials in them. However I only am guessing.
The ERR is a new kettle of fish. I must admit I am curious to see how it is powered. Has me baffled at the moment.I guess the reason I remain open is the field of left handed materials is still a mystery.
Here is a radio interview. This might give some insights into the man more than the technology.

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=The%20%20Progressive%20Technology%20Hour%20with%20William%20Alek&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/vortex-net-tech/Dec-13-2008-at-11-00AM---Vortex-Net-Technology.mp3

@harvey,instead of saying lying,I should have said obfuscate,in the rod video
he said the rods were
made of 73,74 elements,In a post to a news group he said,he only said that
because a friend video taped the rods
and was going to  show it to friends in the US,the camcorder got stolen,that was in 1988.
He recently send an email to
hartiberlin saying that hes computer was hacked a while back and they stole the
videos of the rods
from hes computer
and posted them on youtube.So which is it stolen camcorder or hacked computer
.As to the rods
there isn't going to be any rods in the ERR,its the principle that I'm refering too.
Have you seen a working elemental rod device recently not in the distant past and if you
have does it have magnets, or has the
Doctor told you about them and said there not related.
why hasn't the doctor taken out a patent on the rods
if there not related.In the rod videos he says that the rod device puts out 18 watts,
in the japan version it puts out 300 watts,if this claim is true then your pulling massive
amounts of power out of thin air,for the rod devices size thats better than any technology on earth,
don't you find odd he didn't patent it,unless hes hiding something.Yes I do speculate a lot,
when there are few facts you have too,I find it odd the doctor came up with two separate technolgies
that seemingly pull massive amounts of power out of  thin air and are not related,
and he doesn't know the source of the energy.

Heres something the doctor posted to a newsgroup


Question

This device appears to be related to the "elemental rod generator"
that was previously marketed in Japan by the ERR Company. In a
translation of the Japanese marketing documents, the inventor is
appears to also be a Dr. Schwartz from the Noah's Ark Research
Foundation. Are these units being offered for sale today?

Answer
Yes, this is related to the Rod Generator. That video was taken in
1988 by a friend of mine who came to visit me in the Philippines. His
video cam was stolen from his bag on his way back to the US so who
ever posted that video is still a mystery. Because he was planning on
showing the video to some people in the US we decided to say that one
rod contained 73 elements and the other 74. That was only to confuse
people so that they wouldn't know how really simple the rods were. I
considered my first Rod Generator a toy that needed a lot of research
and testing.

Back in 2002 my board of directors talked me into marketing small Rod
Generators to help poor countries. We pooled our money to set up a
small manufacturing plant to build our Rod Generators. We were
planning on selling them at cost to help do our part to save the world
form the Oil Companies. A week later we got a notice from the Dept. of
Energy in Japan that required the Rod Generator to be safety checked
by their laboratory before it could be sold in Japan. It took them
almost six months to test it before we received notice that it was
unsafe for public use. All the units that we had already manufactured
plus our jigs and dies had to be destroyed. That really hurt me and my
partners because we put a lot of money into that project. Since our
wife's told us not to put money into the Rod Generator we now have to
live with the old "I told you so". At least we learned a very
important lesson, I will never try to market one of my ERR generators.
When I have finished my ERR research and I fully understand how it
works, we plan on posting it on the internet. My board of directs and
myself are the ones that fund all of our Noah's Ark Research
facilities so we have no investors to account to.

Since I do a lot of lectures at different Universities we decided to
keep the big business interest and the people from the oil companies
from trying to figure out my new ERR. They like to send their people
to take close-up pictures so they can study my prototype but it won't
do them any good because we only use a small portion of the circuit
board that you see in the photos, the rest is just for show. We're
making sure that OPEC and the powerful companies don't patent my ERR
technology to keep it from the people.

the plot thickens,
I see that the rod generator was knocked back in japan...but I have to wonder about other countries. It would be interesting to know why it was considered unsafe. That initself might help us gain some understanding. That might be a question you can ask oneday Harvey if you have the opportunity.
It is the ERR device we are concerned with here. That leads to another question. If it is the intent to release all the details on the internet (that is good), then why not release what is known now?
I feel having many ppeople working on it would surely increase the speed it could be developed.
I am not in anyway trying to be negative here but these are questions that I feel need to be answered. However I of course respect any inventors intention.
Mark

Does it matter from electrons are coming if they are all free electricity ?
IMHO Kapanadze is using simply a water pipe as electron source.
The main advance (?) of presented device is to use many small circuits instead of one large.
Isn't that any two metals generating a good quantity of free electrons could work ? Simply - electrochemical battery makes very small current without depleting metals. Somehow that current is a bias for a large energy source ,effectively converting that energy into electrical one , into current.
Any ideas ?

Quote from: markdansie on August 16, 2009, 01:48:57 AM
It would be interesting to know why it was considered unsafe.

Dr. Schwartz reported, that it was unsafe e.g. during thunderstorms,
that it could arc over and then fires could start..

Maybe with better control circuits this could be prevented.. ? Who knows...

When I see the first video, with the large white board behind, I cannot dismiss the resemblance with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhPayFBE9c

Or the comercial product:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz5D5_Jzg-M

rods aside, magic is easier to produce nowadays (with easy explanations behind). I am not saying this thread is being wasted to some kind of con / joke, but then we need clear documentation to reproduce the phenomena for ourselves.

I am big enough to asess the risk involved on testing it and being responsible for any fire hazard due to a distant storm! And I live in a third world country, so no comitee will declare it unsafe and order me to destroy anything, if it works.

Regards!

SigmaX.

@SigmaX
some good points , I am soory to hear that you live in a third world country if you are refering to the USA.
There are some excellent thirdworld countries with more equality and better universal healthcare other than the USA.
Mark

Found this on a russian site a while ago.
It`s a video demonstration of a smaller suitcase device that might help you guys figuring out some components.
Apologies if this has been posted or linked to here already.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1b050bf84208b671e7ba8e3c6e11ce20e04e75f6e8ebb871

To Harvey:
Do you know the part number of the lamps used in the demo,I think it was said that they were 12 volt lamps,I located a 300 watt ,12 volt lamp, but no 800 watt ,12 volt lamps.

Thanks

test

I have not read through all the posts here.About the first 8 pages I guess but I noticed the lights get hot  here when the device is operated whereas Dr.Moray's lights stayed cold.Sooo,I guess cold electricity is not being produced by these magnetic panels?Triffid

Quote from: infringer on July 26, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
hrmmm... I wonder how they obtain the frequency to extract the energy from the ground I sure hope some of our ground or earth energy folks are looking into this it seems way too simplistic maybe real who knows ...

But from my observation the dress style looks a bit last century ...

Not to say folks don't dress like that today...

Also it looks as if it is a VHS dub just some simple observations but the more people laying claims the more people invest research into stuff like this...

if my grandfather walked out onto this video dressed as he normally is he would fit in.  there are old fashion people around that still dress like that :) and this looks like similiar stuff my grandfather has talked about before. he was a self taught electrician.

Hello Forum.
I just joined so that I could post this comment. I very often read threads here and find this site very informative and provacative...in a good way.
I stumbled upon this thread in a search of "Kapanadze Generator" and thought that this is what you are talking about.
I recently have taken on the task of building a Bedini type wheel system after reading and researching Ed Leedskalnin. Anyway, my path has taken me to a place now where I just wound a caduceus coil with the hopes of using a high frequency AC current from the wheel to put into the caduceus coil to study any scalar effects that may occur.
Today I was researching and came across the video on this thread of this machine. My first inclination was that this thing was making a high frequency current to pass through a caduceus coil and having a secondary coil to collect the resultant magnetic scalar waves. The scalar waves are not measureable with conventional equipement. The guy with this device also illudes to the fact that his coils are special...and won't show them...hmmm.
I am a couple of days from being able to find the time to try this. My thoughts initially were that Ed Leedskalnin did this and used the scalar waves to move his rocks at Coral Castle.
I think that the scalar waves are the reason that the Japanese didn't like it. Also, if two of these were next to each other and the beams crossed at 90 degrees there may be big trouble...this is how Scalar Energy Weapons work...a la Tesla.
Just a few thoughts

The fact that the coils are on these plates is very interesting. The plates (the "pick-up") are on 1 plane in relation to the coils...this is exactly how scalar waves would be emitted from a cylindrical caduceus coil. I will guess that 1 plate layer type would be negative and the other positive.
Ed Leedskalnin wrote a book called "Magnetic Current" that explains that there are always 2 polarized forces running against each other...both in a right hand screw fashion.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/242432/Ed-Leedskalnin-Magnetic-Current-Illustrated

Here is a Perpetual Motion Holder that Ed designed...or maybe I should say the Masonic heritage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBcYyr0fWI

I just wanted to say, WOW, about this thread. Very very interesting stuff here and I read the whole thing in one shot. And I learned some interesting things about some interesting people here also. ;]

Powerunlimited

I found it interesting that the rods were magnetic when you put the ruler on them. Would you ascertain that each end of the rods were of opposite polarity as the ruler stuck to both rods? It still would not indicate if the rods were permanent  mags or not, they could be electro induced.

Magluvin

Hi guys, this is just my idea of how ERR may work in spirit of trying to help,
Appologies to Dr Schwartz for errors as I don't really know the whole story.
 
I believe the ERR device is a magnifier just like a curved magnifying glass lens or more closely like a Fresnel lens.  Instead of light being bent inward toward the focal point it works to bend EM waves inward toward it's focal point.

Not only this, it does a clever frequency shift by beating (heterodyning) incoming ambient energy frequencies with an internal voltage tuned generator frequency.  The frequency difference a constant frequency band(f in - f local) appears across both halves of the waveguide which houses the left and right coils.

The slots or guides are run in transverse electric mode (TE) with voltage vertical across the narrow dimension of the slot and magnetic field sideways. Just like an aperture antenna often used in microwave.

The coils & slots are arranged in pairs 180 degrees out of phase with each other, when one side goes positive the other goes negative.
The outer width measured across the two slots defines a full wavelength at the highest frequency of the guides passband without mode changing.

The thickness of the aluminum slab which the slot is cut from defines the lowest frequency of the guide pass band.

The aluminum outer panel has a negative dielectric response to incoming EM radiation. This means the voltage part of the incoming field gets shifted in relation to the magnetic part of the field distorting its normal electric to magnetic phase relationship.
To bend the incoming wave completely just like a thick piece of glass or the surface of some water. We have to bend both the electric and the magnetic part of the wave.
When the advancing distorted wavefront appears on the inside of the aluminum  it meets the Bismuth surface. Now Bismuth is diamagnetic it exhibits both Hall effect and an extremely non linear permeabilty to magnetic fields.

The coils in the guide slots underneath the Bismuth strobe the Bismuth surface magnetically.

Because the Bismuth layer is very thin compared to the incoming frequencies wavelength and because it's diamagnetic it has a negative response to magnetic fields.  This bends the magnetic part of the incoming waves field.

The response from the Bismuth is able to act as a catalyst mobilising the atoms in the aluminum plate causing it to bulge and compress across it's surface making it act like a fresnel type lens to incoming EM radiation.
Causing it to behave like a hyper efficient lens literally BEAMING energy to the guide slots below.
To get extra bending toward the focal point in the centre of the guide cavity, extra layers of aluminum & bismuth can be added. Just like stacking lenses in a telescope or multi coating our spectacles (with metalic oxides).

The strobing of the non linear Bismuth also has another consequence.
When 2 frequencies are combined in something linear like a resistor we just get the same two frequencies out again they superimpose but don't mix as can be seen on a scope.

When 2 frequencies are combined in something non linear like our human ear or a piece of Bismuth or a semiconductor. We get sum and difference frequencies produced as well as the original frequencies.

The guide slots are tuned to pick off the difference frequency or narrower range of difference frequencies. The broader the bandwidth the higher the power available to us (from Boltzmans).

From here I am less sure, it may be .....from Dr Schwarts drawings.
Each turn of each coil on the rods themselves look like short circuit to the advancing RF wavefront down the guide. Simply because of the high stray capacitance at the start and finish of each turn & perhaps by the special winding technique of each turn. 
Anyhow suffice to say there's a negative electric permittivity from the ferrite in the rod itself and a negative magnetic permeability from the special coil design.

When you drop a stone in a pond the waves radiate outward with exponentially diminishing amplitude.
With man made "Metamaterials" assembled as the genuis of Dr Schwarz has done it is possible to achieve the opposite.

ie Collect EM waves and concentrate them, just like a magnifying glass a microwave dish or a Yagi antenna does.

How the output becomes DC with out a rectifier? Don't really know only seen one paper on this concerning diffraction grating effects & can't understand it yet.


Thanks to
Dr Schwartsz for the info you kindly provided to the Yahoo Noahs Ark Group files. 
to BeanangelTreon On YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cFOqIDgqc
to Mr Thomas Henry Hand of Duke University for his pdf on tuneable metamaterials.

Gerry

magniwork,,, your cover is blown   give it up  free plans are everywere on the internet (thank god)  one must not judge the "overunity movement"  by magniwork

What do you all think of the video that Wits released yeasterday ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RO6AXftkDg

It could be easily faked.
In each device could be batteries, so that the connector
only shorts out the connecting wires, so the batteries inside the devices
are connected to the lights or the motor.

Why would he otherwise use such a big case for the motor ?
Or why is the connection cord rolled up around a ?? battery holder ??
in the 2nd light unit ?

Hmm... this video does not prove anything yet...
if the principle is not explained in detail....

Regards, Stefan.

" What do you all think of the video that Wits released yeasterday ? "


Obviously they monitor this site...could be someone here is very close to something, and they are getting desperate to cash in before its too late.

Regards...

Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on March 25, 2010, 06:13:18 PM
" What do you all think of the video that Wits released yeasterday ? "


Obviously they monitor this site...could be someone here is very close to something, and they are getting desperate to cash in before its too late.

Regards...

I've got two words: Hoax <period>

Schpankme

he says "heres the meter, its set to DC".......then proceeds to use the clamp......you cant measure DC amps using the clamp

Quote from: rave154 on April 07, 2010, 12:12:22 AM
he says "heres the meter, its set to DC".......then proceeds to use the clamp......you cant measure DC amps using the clamp

In reality , yes you can measure dc amp with a clamp meter but he must be build for that, i didn't checked if his clamp can read it or only AC, its the same thing as a current probe for a oscilloscope, it read the magnetic field strength around the wire, ac or dc , there a B Field around the conductor and its what it read.

What scare me about his video is the size, you can easily hide a little 100w inverter (i have one 100w for my car , about 5''X'3''X3/4'' ) with a pack of Lipo cell.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

4 years on and not a breath of anything, i assume we can close the book on the good Dr in south east asia?

test just wanted a link back to this thread.