Hi all,
Thought this one may be of intrest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el9krMCR-xk
going to display MAY 2010
Any thoughts ?
Soon we will see......demo in may 2010 in Germany?
Hopefully it's not another hoax
Quote from: kampen on March 08, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
Soon we will see......demo in may 2010 in Germany?
Hopefully it's not another hoax
Hoax or not.. As long as they can't tax the use; they powers that be (governments etc) will not allow it to become public available.
Thats why we need open source, unstoppable, wide spread designs.
Here is the Full patent PDF File of it.
You first have to give in the graphic code:
http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true (http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true)
Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 10, 2010, 08:52:52 PM
Here is the Full patent PDF File of it.
You first have to give in the graphic code:
http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true (http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true)
Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for posting this interesting video. Unfortunately, the text (it this a patent issued or just a patent application (PTO)?) is in German and probably you can help in sorting it out. Looks very similar to Perendev.
Quote from: Omnibus on March 10, 2010, 09:41:12 PM
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for posting this interesting video. Unfortunately, the text (it this a patent issued or just a patent application (PTO)?) is in German and probably you can help in sorting it out. Looks very similar to Perendev.
Omni,
Have a look at this page:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP&NR=2153515A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20100217&DB=&locale=
There is a translate field you can click and you get the English translation (artificially generated)
Couldn't understand, has this patent been already granted or is only published as a PCT, that is, still pending?
Also, translation produces the following text:
Quote[0005] The magnetic fields formed by the particular arrangement of the dipole magnets of the inner stator, the rotor and the outside stator cause that the rotor becomes free floating between the inner stator and the outside stator held. The apparatus according to invention works in such a way as a magnetic bearing. Surprisingly shown that becomes generated by the particular arrangement of the dipole magnets of the inner stator, the rotor and the outside stator with rotation of the rotor a magnetic alternating field, has itself a to a large extent lossless rotation of the rotor between the inner stator and the outside stator allowed. This can become for a multiplicity of technical applications utilized, for example for a particularly friction-poor storage itself of a preferably rapid rotary shaft.
Does the above mean that it's just a patent for a magnetic bearing? How is the the varying magnetic field created spontaneously for this device to be OU?
Quote from: Cherryman on March 08, 2010, 12:13:52 PM
Hoax or not.. As long as they can't tax the use; they powers that be (governments etc) will not allow it to become public available.
...
The governments (except those of opec countries) have more interest in a new mass market of free energy generators where they get VAT or other taxes that they would decide, than in importing oil at an heavy cost.
And free energy generators would give rise to a new economy generating much more economic growth than FE itself.
For the governments, free energy machines are bullshits from crackpots so they have not to allow or not allow them. They ignore them. When one will be available and widely sold, they will likely tax them.
Conspiracy theories are stupity for reinforcing believer's faith in FE machines that we don't yet have or strictly speaking that are not yet proved to exist.
Quote from: exnihiloest on March 20, 2010, 06:24:49 AM
The governments (except those of opec countries) have more interest in a new mass market of free energy generators where they get VAT or other taxes that they would decide, than in importing oil at an heavy cost.
And free energy generators would give rise to a new economy generating much more economic growth than FE itself.
For the governments, free energy machines are bullshits from crackpots so they have not to allow or not allow them. They ignore them. When one will be available and widely sold, they will likely tax them.
Conspiracy theories are stupity for reinforcing believer's faith in FE machines that we don't yet have or strictly speaking that are not yet proved to exist.
There's no proof you're privy to what governments think of OU machines, whether or not they ignore them and so on. You're also not privy to all the research that has been and is going on in the OU field, let alone qualified enough to assess it, to make bold statements such as your claim that OU devices "are not yet proved to exist". Therefore, it would be prudent for you to keep your opinions to yourself and not clog the forum with your gibberish.
Patents are useless, Omni, if your still over the pond, check it out?
Quote from: X00013 on March 21, 2010, 08:01:46 PM
Patents are useless, Omni, if your still over the pond, check it out?
Just got back. Catching up. Do you mean Muammer Yildiz' patents or patents in general?
Is it me or just coincidence that all of these magnetic motors look the same the same round magnets epoxied in a plastic rotor fitting inside a stator...
Either this is because these devices may work or just the design is appealing to the eye...
This has got to be like the tenth motor that I have seen with a similar design...
Hope it works!
There is no mention in the patent of a motor. It discusses the improvement of a magnetic bearing set up. There is mention of a lossless floating rotor between two statorfields. No overunity claim at all.
Quote
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Also, translation produces the following text:
Does the above mean that it's just a patent for a magnetic bearing? How is the the varying magnetic field created spontaneously for this device to be OU?
Muammer Yildiz is Turkish and in the youtube video, he says "I got the international patent" and he also says that he has already made some business contracts with some big companies in Germany...
Hi Folks,
Just seen at another forum: Yildiz has demonstrated his magnet motor at the Delft Technical University in Holland. Here is a 10 minute video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on April 21, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
Hi Folks,
Just seen at another forum: Yildiz has demonstrated his magnet motor at the Delft Technical University in Holland. Here is a 10 minute video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
rgds, Gyula
I've seen it, it is one of the more promissing demo's.
At least an inventor willing and actually giving demonstrations to critical scholars, including revealing the inside..
(Also remark the fellow at 1:15 saying this motor isn't the first zero point/free energy device he has seen! )
Hopefull! Now hope he stays alive AND in the picture...
If the effect we see is real which has to be confirmed independently, it has nothing to do with zero point energy, Tesla, energy from the vacuum or any other non issue. If real it would be a demonstration of the general principles for obtaining OU we've been discussing here and in other forums for a long time.
Once again another demonstration without a load. Air calculations are fine but there isn't any real load to produce electricity. You would be able to power a wind turbine if the device can run indefinitely anyway.
Quote from: gyulasun on April 21, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
Hi Folks,
Just seen at another forum: Yildiz has demonstrated his magnet motor at the Delft Technical University in Holland. Here is a 10 minute video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
rgds, Gyula
Very very interesting video, but not proof yet that there's not a hidden battery.
The inventor has to make a public demonstration that lasts for hours, not just minutes. He has to show the machine running for 15, 16, 17 hours constinuously...
Very good video, thanks to my compatriots :-)
Such a wind blowing, I would not call that "without a load".
As the old guy says, the triggering mechanism is more intriguing. Might he force a 3rd power accelleration of some kind, forcing the magnets to play catch up from there onwards?
The device does look to be too nicely made, lots of time and "energy" invested into it. If I were to scam someone, I'd do a less convincing job.
Muammer Yildiz? No way. Who has a name like that? It's not even his real name, people.
It is painfully obvious that "Muammer Yildiz" is a not so clever anagram for:
I'm Ze Liar, Dummy
It's a hoax. He is playing the free energy community for the 'dummies' that we are....
lol
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 06:48:32 AM
Muammer Yildiz? No way. Who has a name like that? It's not even his real name, people.
It is painfully obvious 'Muammer Yildiz is simple anagram for:
Im Ze Liar Dummy
It's a hoax. He is playing the free energy community for the 'dummies' that we are....
lol
TS
What the hell are you talking about? So, it's a hoax because the fellow is from Turkey and has a typical Turkish name and you can make anagrams from it? What kind of logic is that?
Hmm,
I linked this new video directly now on the homepage over here.
Well, he already showed a few years back a different device in a big
alucase. The old device was some kind
of motor recharging a battery with special electrodes or something like
this. He showed it powering a 60 Watts lamp for an hour or so,
but he never revealed, if he had a battery inside the alucase...
Then he disappeared and now he has come back with this
magnet motor.
But you can see on the first video, that there are coming
wires out of the case.
For what are these wires ?
I guess, he has a rotor with coils on it.
Maybe there is a battery hidden still inside the case ?
I guess it does not just work with magnets alone,
there is probably a rotor that has at least a coil on it
and he needs to make electrical contact, when he starts
the motor, so that is why there are wires to be seen...
Maybe he only needs a start impulse by an internal battery ?
Who knows ??
Regards, Stefan.
QuoteWhat kind of logic is that?
The kind that is highlighted by the letters l.o.l. in bold print. :D
All aboard the Omnibus, (or is that the 'sillybus'?) I'm going on a guilt trip.... :-[
TS
Watching the video I had the impression he is using some kind of mainspring in the device. Maybe he uses a mainspring to start the rotation of the device, and the magnets sustains the rotation?
Or, and this will be sad, it's just a scam, and there's a battery hidden inside the device.
This demonstration in the university was good, but not yet definitive.
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 07:08:09 AM
The kind that is highlighted by the letters l.o.l. in bold print. :D
All aboard the Omnibus, (or is that the 'sillybus'?) I'm going on a guilt trip.... :-[
TS
Yes, you have to go on a guilt trip. You're the one using twisted logic and silly anagram attempts while calling others silly.
So, can someone contact these people at Delft University (@Cloxxki was very good at making contacts in Holland during the times of Sjack Abeling splash) and ask them if they were allowed to inspect the motor thoroughly? I guess Yilmaz wasn't there just for the period of the video, taking off the minute it ended. Delft University is a prestigious science center and I don't think they's be happy to lose reputation so lightly by perpetrating fraud. Can someone ask what were the conditions under which Yildiz would assist a third party to replicate his device?
QuoteYou're the one using twisted logic and silly anagram attempts while calling others silly.
Guilty of all three.... :-\
Although, to be specific, I was only referring to you as being silly. Your use of the plural, "others", was likely a freudian slip which seems to indicate perhaps a mulitple personality affectation disorder which 'we' won't go into here.
Buddum bum....
(insert cymbal clash here)
Once again, It was a J.o.k.e.....just hit you at an odd angle is all.
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 07:54:46 AM
Guilty of all three.... :-\
Although, to be specific, I was only referring to you as being silly. Your use of the plural, "others", was likely a freudian slip which seems to indicate perhaps a mulitple personality affectation disorder which 'we' won't go into here.
Buddum bum....
(insert cymbal clash here)
Once again, It was a J.o.k.e.....just hit you at an odd angle is all.
TS
OK, you are silly. Just you. Above text proves it.
Is this the same Dick Korff from the video: https://en.fh-muenster.de/hochschule/organisation/vizepraesident_korff.php Stefan, maybe you can give him a call. As far as I could hear he says that he's found already [OU devices] but this is extra.
Well..........
All kidding aside I don't know what they feed their kids in the Netherlands?
But It definitely works for free energy ,out of the box thinking!!
1st Gravity wheels ,now magnet motors!
TV, press releases, big Universities!
Don't these guys have M.I.B.'s?
Wheres all that "paranoia"?
Must be the diet?
Ours makes us nervous and jerky! [well I'm not so nervous anymore]
HHmmm.........
Chet
Again, Delft University is not just any place. That's the largest university in Holland where van't Hoff has worked as well as the founder of Phillips company, among many other prominent scientists. Couldn't catch the name of the fellow who was the host. If I knew who he was I'd like to call him.
Hi Omnibus!
I´ve been searching for a while inside TU Delft (university) webpage, and there is no mention of this event.... Not in their daily agenda, nor in the student`s blogs ... nowhere.
Maybe some good dutch user can make a phone call to the university and at least confirm that the event really took place in there ?
Regards,
SigmaX
Quote from: Omnibus on April 22, 2010, 08:26:52 AM
Again, Delft University is not just any place. That's the largest university in Holland where van't Hoff has worked as well as the founder of Phillips company, among many other prominent scientists. Couldn't catch the name of the fellow who was the host. If I knew who he was I'd like to call him.
The host looks familiar, i believe he is from the aircraft and space devision. I will see i i can find a video i did see him do earlier.
Found it:
INg. Coen Vermeeren
Did also some intresting resears about ufo.
He also dit a series on UFO's at the university, in dutch.
http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b859808c04254b798d942b6856b8548d
http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b859808c04254b798d942b6856b8548d
Quote from: sigmaX on April 22, 2010, 08:32:10 AM
Hi Omnibus!
I´ve been searching for a while inside TU Delft (university) webpage, and there is no mention of this event.... Not in their daily agenda, nor in the student`s blogs ... nowhere.
Maybe some good dutch user can make a phone call to the university and at least confirm that the event really took place in there ?
Regards,
SigmaX
Similar thing happened when Walter Torbay came to Manhattan, if you remember. I was told by the Argentinean minister of technology that the presentation is going to be at the New York University which I immediately checked because I live almost on the campus. They had no idea. Later it turned out the demo is going to be at the Bronx Community College. They had no idea either (which after 9/11 is hard to believe, if there were to be an event on campus), Ultimately Torbay did have a talk the BCC but he didn't show the motor working. Back in the old threads there a whole saga described. Here, in this case we at least see a working motor demonstrated at in an university setting. Still not enough. Under what conditions will Yildiz assist its replication by third parties, that's the question?
I share your doubt, Stephan. This is not a 100 percent permanent magnet motor. In the video, the wires are very visible at the fan side. (1 min.25sec.) In the patent he writes in point 0051 about the possibility that one or more magnets are of the electromagnetic kind. The use of a hidden battery is then very plausible. Just one time the word 'motor' is used in the description of the device. In 0002 he writes that already a long time the brushless DC motor exists, who is doing the same as his invention. In 0003 he explains that his goal is to improve the interaction between a static magnetic field and a dynamic magnetic field. Unclear how he generates the last. I give him the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion it's a big conventional brushless motor with hidden features. ;)
Quote from: ramset on April 22, 2010, 08:21:48 AM
Well..........
All kidding aside I don't know what they feed their kids in the Netherlands?
But It definitely works for free energy ,out of the box thinking!!
1st Gravity wheels ,now magnet motors!
TV, press releases, big Universities!
Don't these guys have M.I.B.'s?
Wheres all that "paranoia"?
Must be the diet?
Ours makes us nervous and jerky! [well I'm not so nervous anymore]
HHmmm.........
Chet
I live here.. And as a good Dutchman i feed my kids marihuana ;)
But do not get fooled, main stream media is not picking it up!
I do howerver agree that it is promissing that universaties are "opening" a little up.
But as always... What's next?
It seems that al good idears to benefit human kind seems to be a fraud or just dissapear...
Quote from: Bertoa on April 22, 2010, 08:43:03 AM
I share your doubt, Stephan. This is not a 100 percent permanent magnet motor. In the video, the wires are very visible at the fan side. (1 min.25sec.) In the patent he writes in point 0051 about the possibility that one or more magnets are of the electromagnetic kind. The use of a hidden battery is then very plausible. Just one time the word 'motor' is used in the description of the device. In 0002 he writes that already a long time the brushless DC motor exists, who is doing the same as his invention. In 0003 he explains that his goal is to improve the interaction between a static magnetic field and a dynamic magnetic field. Unclear how he generates the last. I give him the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion it's a big conventional brushless motor with hidden features. ;)
Are these really wires or are some clamps, part of the construction. Why would these wires be protruded there? Anyway, if Yildiz really cares about his device to not sink into oblivion he should explain carefully what it rally does and how it's constructed. Otherwise, why do these public demonstrations. To gain credibility. Hardly.
I just sent an email to several of the press dept. in the university ... maybe they answer me if the event really took place in there ...
aaaaaannnddd .... They answered me !!!!
Hi Enrique,
The inventor, Muammer Yildiz, is currently touring Europe to interest universities and investors for his invention. One of his presentations took place on Tuesday 20 April at Delft University of Technology for a select group of scientists from both Delft University of Technology and Eindhoven University of Technology.
Kind regards,
Ms Ineke Boneschansker
Science Information Officer TU Delft
Drs. Ineke Boneschansker
Adviseur wetenschapscommunicatie
TU Delft / Directie Marketing en Communicatie
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Ik werk van maandag tot en met vrijdag.
Quoteto interest universities and investors for his invention
I guess "to interest universities" is put in there just for flavor. The real part is "to interest investors". How well known that is. If he really intends to get universities interested in this he should behave the way anybody doing research in a university setting behaves -- provide an open dissemination of what he thinks he has achieved. Investors are a different cup of tea and those interested in investors only use universities as a smoke screen to appear there's something really scientific going on, which may not actually be the case.
So, he went to Delft University, made a short presentation and that's it. From now on he may claim when talking to investors that it's been shown in universities. Is that it? Will Delft University allow to use their name in this way without further involvement to get to the bottom of the claim? How pathetic if that's the case.
Omnibus:
I hope it is not the case ... At least it seems he dissassembles the motor. It is also to be noted that there are students attending, and probably professors. It would be nice to hear from them, what do the think, what could they see, etc.
There is something missing.
When you do a presentation of a new device it is general practice to have available technical data sheets that answer the bulk of the questions. Such sheets would have clearly drawn technical schematics, and actual power generation data acquired via the hundreds of hours of testing, tuning and retesting. Data which presents not only specifics of the actual device, but also environmental conditions when tests where done and all other circumstances that may influence the final numbers, not to mention the names and types of scientific measuring apparatus used.
Certainly if you where inventing such a "world changing" device, you would document everything and anything that was in anyway related to the development of your brainchild. To just present your "working" device in front of a scientifically minded audience and no data is disrespectful of your own hard work and leaves a huge vacuum that motivates thoughts of fraud.
Where's the meat? Where's the data? Is there any?
Quote from: JamesThomas on April 22, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
There is something missing.
When you do a presentation of a new device it is general practice to have available technical data sheets that answer the bulk of the questions. Such sheets would have clearly drawn technical schematics, and actual power generation data acquired via the hundreds of hours of testing, tuning and retesting. Data which presents not only specifics of the actual device, but also environmental conditions when tests where done and all other circumstances that may influence the final numbers, not to mention the names and types of scientific measuring apparatus used.
Certainly if you where inventing such a "world changing" device, you would document everything and anything that was in anyway related to the development of your brainchild. To just present your "working" device in front of a scientifically minded audience and no data is disrespectful of your own hard work and leaves a huge vacuum that motivates thoughts of fraud.
Where's the meat? Where's the data? Is there any?
Can't agree more.
More info at http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/
'The wind speed and air density were measured, and the output was estimated to be around 250 Watts (not mentioned in the video). Also, after the video was turned off, the fan was removed from the device, and several people tried stopping the shaft with their hands but were unable to.'
Regards, Larry
Larry, this is all well and good but it still doesn't amount to rigorous testing and only smells of propaganda. It's even more disturbing if there were students there who were shown a wrong lesson as to how science proceeds in such cases. Of course, if what we saw were all there was to that presentation. I'd like to think that the university will undertake further studies before allowing someone to use its name.
Find out if the the attendees are the board of regents and the younger guys are being groomed.
Could this be a push to raise the student quota in bad times?
Or an International Phishing expedition for a prarie dog hunt?
Isn't that the same area of the world as the Bilderbergs startup?
Sceptism is our best defense.
I need more data. Or the public is just being fed crumbs of false hope.
The simplicity will spread like wild fire and the masses will not be able to be stopped. The lurkers will finally win out. And that is grand! They are the foot soldiers of OU hitting the beaches while the royalty of OU assess the defenses and losses to regroup and replan another attempt.
And remember, Propaganda is used to propel or prospect...
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So, can someone contact these people at Delft (@Cloxxki was very good at making contacts in Holland during the times of Sjack Abeling splash) and ask them if they were allowed to inspect the motor thoroughly? I guess Yilmaz wasn't there just for the period of the video, taking off the minute it ended. Delft University is a prestigious science center and I don't think they's be happy to lose reputation so lightly by perpetrating fraud. Can someone ask what were the conditions under which Yildiz would assist a third party to replicate his device?
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This looks promising. The patent differs from this machine though.This is a later development so it seems. The patent - 12 Febr. 2009 , with no claim of overunity - shows an inside stator of an ascending row of vertical magnets. The outside stator has an equal vertical row stretching all around. The rotor in between has a checker pattern of round magnets 10 degrees out of alignment. All polarities repel. The strength of the magnet field thus alternates relative to the inside stator. If true an amazing discovery. Certainly worth replicating!
Video address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
Europatent WO 2009019001 (A2): http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?locale=en_EP&KC=A2&date=20090212&NR=2009019001A2&DB=EPODOC&CC=WO&FT=D
Peswiki page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Muammer_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor
Looks promesing to mee this motor, but I am sceptic as long there is wires (As it appears to me) all over the place on this motor. The twisting, the scratch-noise, and the hammer he is using is probably to release a lock - if this motor is a magnet motor, the torque is probably present all the time. Still a bit sceptic, but also filled with some fresh hope :)
Sceptic because LiPo batteries (just for an example) are small and powerful - easy to hide inside this motor..... At 250 watts this motor can run for hours. The person who talks in the demo ask the crowd if they want to wait for another 10 minutes before disassambly? Couldt, they just put this motor in a room next door and let it run during the whole meeting? Or did they do extended tests to it after the camera was shut down?
Vidar
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 22, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
...........
This looks promising. The patent differs from this machine though.This is a later development so it seems. The patent - 12 Febr. 2009 , with no claim of overunity - shows an inside stator of an ascending row of vertical magnets. The outside stator has an equal vertical row stretching all around. The rotor in between has a checker pattern of round magnets 10 degrees out of alignment. All polarities repel. The strength of the magnet field thus alternates relative to the inside stator. If true an amazing discovery. Certainly worth replicating!
Worth a try with FEMM - at least :)
The idea looks very clever and novel. It would be a threat to the superconducting industry.
Quote from: blueplanet on April 22, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
The idea looks very clever and novel. It would be a threat to the superconducting industry.
The threat OU technologies pose are well known and superconducting industry is well down the list.
The hammer sets an initial spark gap in play.
There is an immense quantity of Bloch Wall connection / disconnection going on. This is a virtual spark gap process. But this device has 2 circumferal layers of x amount between each side of the layers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mww4p5moloo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&feature=player_embedded#!
This was his old invention:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
He never came forward with this.
This former event at the Delft university
was only put on Turkish TV it seems,
but nobody from the Delft people have put videos or pictures
up on youtube from this former event ???
Why not ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Y3n1bOtn4
Quote from: giantkiller on April 22, 2010, 02:06:29 PM
The hammer sets an initial spark gap in play.
There is an immense quantity of Bloch Wall connection / disconnection going on. This is a virtual spark gap process. But this device has 2 circumferal layers of x amount between each side of the layers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mww4p5moloo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&feature=player_embedded#!
Do you know this for a fact or these are just your suppositions?
Listen to the crack of the hammer.
Also when ever magnets swing past each other they connect/disconnect with flux. You make that happen very fast and you get energy. Bedini motor does this.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 22, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
This was his old invention:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
He never came forward with this.
This former event at the Delft university
was only put on Turkish TV it seems,
but nobody from the Delft people have put videos or pictures
up on youtube from this former event ???
Why not ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Y3n1bOtn4
So there has been an earlier presentation by Muammer Yildiz at elft University, correct? That's strange -- they invite him for a visit from time to time but never take him up on his claims. What is going on?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 22, 2010, 02:24:02 PM
Listen to the crack of the hammer.
Also when ever magnets swing past each other they connect/disconnect with flux. You make that happen very fast and you get energy. Bedini motor does this.
Comparison with Bedini motor is irrelevant since it has never been proven to be OU through rigorous studies. Until such studies are done it will remain as nothing more than amusement for schoolgirls.
As for the hammer, it very well may be that he needs it to break a lock holding the rotor from turning spontaneously. Couldn't he figure out some other kind of brake? Makes you wonder.
The professors in Delft University are not stupid. They are not network marketing men selling amego wands.
It is ironic to see so many folks in this forum being attracted to ameego wands, but not this motor.
I can see this subject is well covered...
Another one bites the dust.
Lets try clicking our heels together 3 times. Ready? And a 1 and a 2 and so on... Start the bubbles.
Quote from: blueplanet on April 22, 2010, 02:45:59 PM
The professors in Delft University are not stupid. They are not network marketing men selling amego wands.
It is ironic to see so many folks in this forum being attracted to amego wands, but not this motor.
Who are those professors? Name some. The fellow in the vid was an engineer, not a professor, as far as I understand, interested also in UFO. Some of us here in this forum are the last to be considered as enemies of OU but on the other hand there are scientific criteria which we abide by and will never sidetrack.
The Yildiz motor actually IS quite close to a solution. Depending on coil geometry and placement, it's efficiency has got to be in the mid to high nineties percentage wise. In the least, it should spark a shift in the right direction, research wise.
As Johnson, Perendev, Qin Gang, and others have long demonstrated....a veritable bee hive of field changes can be had at very little cost.
TS
Quote from: Omnibus on April 22, 2010, 07:31:12 AM
So, can someone contact these people at Delft University (@Cloxxki was very good at making contacts in Holland during the times of Sjack Abeling splash) and ask them if they were allowed to inspect the motor thoroughly? I guess Yilmaz wasn't there just for the period of the video, taking off the minute it ended. Delft University is a prestigious science center and I don't think they's be happy to lose reputation so lightly by perpetrating fraud. Can someone ask what were the conditions under which Yildiz would assist a third party to replicate his device?
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.
Quote from: Cloxxki on April 22, 2010, 03:29:20 PM
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.
It wasn't me either ;D
As I recall it was user: Aquarius, have not seen him around the forum lately.
As for the engine:
Untill now there seems to be more evidence that it works, then there is evidence for fraud or fake.
Beinig sceptical and causius is oké, untill more information i give him benefit of the doubt. I think it's crucial, otherwise no one dares to stand up anymore ,,,
Quote from: Cloxxki on April 22, 2010, 03:29:20 PM
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.
I know some academics in delft, but I wouldn't contact them.
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 03:24:56 PM
The Yildiz motor actually IS quite close to a solution. Depending on coil geometry and placement, it's efficiency has got to be in the mid to high nineties percentage wise. In the least, it should spark a shift in the right direction, research wise.
As Johnson, Perendev, Qin Gang, and others have long demonstrated....a veritable bee hive of field changes can be had at very little cost.
TS
If that's the case it's not OU and he should've been upfront about that when asked in the video. This is a typical behavior of a manipulator (recall Bob Kostoff recently or the Romanian guy) who finagles for his own good. That's sickening and should be stopped. Someone right there at that very meeting should have confronted him. How many times should we experience such behavior to learn better?
I know 2 guys who graduate aerospace technology there. And one engineering.
What questions would I be asking?
It seems the device is pretty original. If the wires are to direct flux from one place to the other, this is getting eerily close to something I've been trying to get together in my brain. The double layer of all opposings, very clever. Even if it's a hoax, the guy may still be onto something. Even if he need batteries to get the output, a Nissan Leaf may triple its mileage with such an engine, who knows?
I can totally imagine a magnet motor requiring a kick-start, or a kick-pulse when getting wires into the mix.
If I were a world class scammer, I wouldn't let my secret wires be visible.
I am always surprised when people (let alone engineers) want to hold on to an axle to check power or torque. With such a small diameter, it's very hard to hold it back. 250W, that's an elite level lady cyclist. Could you hold on to a 1:1 geared axle driven by the crank shaft a fit cyclist is pushing at one-hour level intensity?
I'm sure we all see what is happening here. We are all full of questions and pretty much void of any real answers.
In my earlier post I basically ask: where is the data that generally is supplied when there is a demonstration of a new product? Information whose main purpose is to answer the important questions and so then enhance credibility. You don't need to be a marketing genius to know this so much as have basic respect for the people who took their time to appear at your presentation.
I can't image that video of the event was posted on the internet and no real supporting data. Which, motivates me to feel it is all a fraud. I mean if this is for real, then it is too important an event to leave so many loose ends. It doesn't make sense. It's counter intuitive.
This doesn't mean it is a fraud, just that it has major characteristics of one. Perhaps the data is available...we just haven't seen it as yet; so I'll give Mr. Yildiz the benefit of the doubt.....but just barely.
QuoteThis doesn't mean it is a fraud, just that it has major characteristics of one.
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.
What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency. His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design. A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.
Who knows, it might be already....
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.
What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency. His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design. A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.
Who knows, it might be already....
TS
These copious eddies are brakes rather than stimuli. How do breaks become driving factor?
QuoteThese copious eddies are brakes rather than stimuli.
Tell that to the fish who use them to remain motionless in a swift stream, even darting upstream at great velocity and with little effort. Or the Bumble Bee who sheds them with great efficiency....or even the bacterial flagellum.
The PMs that are causing the vortices need not be the ones caught up in them. All too often, magnetic fields are summarily relegated to bipolar status, while somewhere in that huge gulf in between, exists the dynamic lever by which to pry loose one of the covers on nature's wheelwork.
TS
I found these links in the web about the inventor:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
let me quote some text .... (go to the link the get the whole story)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)
Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources by J.J. Duarte
This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.
The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.
The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.
etc etc.
------------------------------------------------------
I cannot find anything about him claiming to be a fake / scam, but only references about him being in the "scene" with apparently revolutionary ideas and trying to make them known ....
What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...
On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!
Weird enough!
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 06:28:45 PM
Tell that to the fish who use them to remain motionless in a swift stream, even darting upstream at great velocity and with little effort. Or the Bumble Bee who sheds them with great efficiency....or even the bacterial flagellum.
The PMs that are causing the vortices need not be the ones caught up in them. All too often, magnetic fields are summarily relegated to bipolar status, while somewhere in that huge gulf in between, exists the dynamic lever by which to pry loose one of the covers on nature's wheelwork.
TS
It's not a matter as to how fish remain motionless. The problem here in this motor is where is the energy to sustain that purported stream coming from. If there's no external energy input there is no stream. If there is external energy input and stream is created the machine may or may not be OU. This, however has to be studied rigorously, not by just seeing it rotate or placing a fake wind tunnel to measure who knows what. It isn't at all obvious at this stage that the motor presented is an OU machine especially because of the suspicion that there is an undisclosed energy source inside.
QuoteIt's not a matter as to how fish remain motionless.
To which I reply....it's all 'relative'.
You say potato....I say, spud. You say OU....I say UO...
Yildiz says, "pay up".
What else is new.
TS
So, if that’s the case and the apparatus is:
Quotewithout any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions.
then why should he say it’s
Quotepredominantly a mechanical system
If the above is true and there is “no energy storage inside the box†then the system should be entirely a mechanical system. What are these games that are being played?
On the other hand, if this is really a genuine OU device then it isn’t necessarily true that:
QuoteWhat is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...
On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!
Overunity is the most anti-business endeavor known to man and no business entity in its right mind would ever touch it with a ten foot pole. That’s one of the reasons why it has been suppressed throughout centuries. As for the obscurity this device has been in since 2005 there are many factors playing a role, not the least of which being the approach by the technician himself who manufactured it. Misguidedly overprotective, coming from a third world country and who knows what else. That slight delay in historical terms doesn’t seem weird one bit. Historically it has taken longer periods for even lesser achievements to come to the fore. That delay isn’t an issue. The real issue is whether or not that creation is really an OU machine which has to be tested and confirmed independently. Here’s where the key from the barrack lies regarding all these numerous claims popping up periodically.
Dr. J.L. Duarte
was again the guy who made the wind testing in the video
and moderated it all.
He also was on the front of the audience by the earlier
date at Delft university, in the video with the turkish narration.
So he should be contacted, if we want to know more.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 22, 2010, 07:23:16 PM
Mr. J.J. Duarte
was again the guy who made the wind testing in the video
and moderated it all.
He also was on the front of the audience by the earlier
date at Delf university, in the video with the turkish narration.
So he should be contacted, if we want to know more.
Regards, Stefan.
Is he the engineer from Delft University, also interested in UFO, who was hosting the event? I thought his name was Coen Vermeeren as the link from @Cherryman indicates..
The most important question is what are the condition which Muammer Yildiz requires for independent testing to be carried out?
Quote from: Omnibus on April 22, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
Is he the engineer from Delft University, also interested in UFO, who was hosting the event? I thought his name was Coen Vermeeren as the link from @Cherryman indicates..
This was the other one beginning the lecture,
but the host with the glasses was:
Contact: Dr. Jorge Duarte
Electromechanics and Power Electronics
Research group: Electrical Engineering â€" Electromechanics and Power Electronics
(EPE)
at Delft university.
I found him in this document at page 58
http://www.tudelft.nl/live/ServeBinary?id=f096e023-cbc8-4626-b135-acb6ec2b04b5&binary=/doc/Study_guide_MSc_SET_2008-2009.pdf
But I can not find any email address or phone number...
In another doc I found:
Dr. Jorge Duarte (1955) is with the TU Eindhoven, Group
Electromechanics and Power Electronics, as a member of the scientific
staff since 1990. His teaching and research interests include modeling,
simulation and design of power electronic systems. He received the M.Sc.
degree in 1980 from the University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and the Dr.-
Ing. degree in 1985 from the INPL-Nancy, France. In 1989 he was
appointed a research engineer at Philips Lighting Central Development
Laboratory, and since October 2000 he is consultant engineer (0.2 fte) at
Philips Power Solutions in Eindhoven.
Here is his webpage:
http://www.fps.ele.tue.nl/Duarte.htm
Just why is nobody talking about the fact that you can hear a very heavy relay click on when he starts the motor?????
It even clicks a few times and it PROVES he got some energy source in there.
Why doesn't he show that, and why aren't you guy's wrapping tpu's ?
Hmmmmm.... Jorge Luiz Duarte... He's brazilian... Hmmm.... Don't know if it's good or it's bad...
Exactly...
Quote from: stevenDmark on April 22, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
Just why is nobody talking about the fact that you can hear a very heavy relay click on when he starts the motor?????
It even clicks a few times and it PROVES he got some energy source in there.
Why doesn't he show that, and why aren't you guy's wrapping tpu's ?
Its like watching a SouthPark video for ou, hhmmmm, hook up the jumpers, click click, whack it with a fukn hammer, adjust the whatever that was while the builders focuses on whats under the desk, for fuks sake,
Simply put, put that fucker on a glass table with a dynometer hooked up to it, whack it with whatever u desire and let the fucker run, didnt happen as much as i wish it did and will
Quote from: TechStuf on April 22, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.
What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency. His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design. A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.
Who knows, it might be already....
TS
All the more reason to clearly present it in the presentation literature rather than force people dig and seek out patents and such. It's not rocket science. If it's not "user friendly", then it won't succeed. How much simpler can it get?
the rocket scientist would of dominated this 50 years ago before you were born. there is nothing in it.
now will come the major conspirators which have already appeared.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 22, 2010, 07:23:16 PM
Dr. J.L. Duarte
was again the guy who made the wind testing in the video
and moderated it all.
He also was on the front of the audience by the earlier
date at Delft university, in the video with the turkish narration.
So he should be contacted, if we want to know more.
Regards, Stefan.
I don't know Duarte personally. But if my memory serves well, he is an assistant professor.
Would you listen to an assistant professor in power engineering or those amateurs lured to buy ameego wands?
Quote from: sigmaX on April 22, 2010, 06:34:56 PM
I found these links in the web about the inventor:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
let me quote some text .... (go to the link the get the whole story)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)
Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources by J.J. Duarte
This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.
The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.
The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.
etc etc.
------------------------------------------------------
I cannot find anything about him claiming to be a fake / scam, but only references about him being in the "scene" with apparently revolutionary ideas and trying to make them known ....
What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...
On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!
Weird enough!
Most of the attentees in the presentation have a PhD. Their PhD's were not awarded by ameego inc.
QuoteIt's not rocket science.
No, but then neither is most of what passes for rocket science.
We can wax philosophical about what intellectual property speculators should and shouldn't do all day long....but when night falls, and it's nearing one stroke before midnight as we speak, man's technologies, like his words, will fail him.
A law without spirit, is void. Just as The Spirit, without law, is also made void.
TS
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html
A person attending the presentation, from the Technical University Eindhoven, came to the EF to comment on his views.
Quote from: TechStuf on April 23, 2010, 01:01:24 AM
No, but then neither is most of what passes for rocket science.
We can wax philosophical about what intellectual property speculators should and shouldn't do all day long....but when night falls, and it's nearing one stroke before midnight as we speak, man's technologies, like his words, will fail him.
A law without spirit, is void. Just as The Spirit, without law, is also made void.
TS
If God exists then "IT" serves nobody. don't serve a delusion of dead people.
I am clicking this zpewand advertisement to dead. This month, the site admin will earn lots of revenue from adsense.
:):):)
be sure to get a new ip everytime otherwise only one click counts (i'd guess as that's normal procedure)
as an Atheist, I consider you a fool of your own belief system for you can't be anymore a fool than a fool than you already are. there will be no God that comes to your attention.
Here is a short report of Mr Korff about the presentation:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.niburu.nl%2Findex.php%3FarticleID%3D23110
Hey guys,
I am surprised how you guys are wasting such a lot of energy on futile discussions whether this is genuine or not.
The only constructive at this point is to accept this as genuine, and start looking for possible explanations
regarding the magnet configurations shown on the dismantled stator pieces that are displayed in the video.
Am I the only one that find an interesting similarity with some magnet configurations on the stator pieces
and a Halbach array?
Gwandau
Quote from: Gwandau on April 23, 2010, 07:19:20 AM
Hey guys,
I am surprised how you guys are wasting such a lot of energy on futile discussions whether this is genuine or not.
The only constructive at this point is to accept this as genuine, and start looking for possible explanations
regarding the magnet configurations shown on the dismantled stator pieces that are displayed in the video.
Am I the only one that find an interesting similarity with some magnet configurations on the stator pieces
and a Halbach array?
Gwandau
What really has to be done now is to have it independently replicated by as many people as possible. Nothing less than that will legitimize it in the eyes of society. If the constructor wants to speed that process up he should divulge details about magnet configuration to avoid the guessing game. Otherwise, search for a proper magnet configuration has been going on for some time among all those interested in such project so that isn't overlooked at all.
And, also, this zero point energy crap should be ignored. Physically, there's no such thing as zaro point energy. That's an unresolved problem in quantum mechanics which has to be dealt with in order to improve quantum mechanics and not a real physical effect. How excess energy is produced in such devices is already known -- a construction is found turning the device in aOU one which allows for spontaneous displacement under the action of a conservative force or forces. Thus, what needs to be done is to establish what the principles of a working construction should be and people such as Yildiz may help in shortening the process or search for such construction, is his device indeed does what is claimed.
Stefan, regarding your concern about the wires seen in the front of the motor, I'm sure you read this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html#post92632 :
Quote... the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.
Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.
I think that's plausible, although it reminds me of Bob Kostoff claiming that without brakes his machine will accelerate so much that it will destroy itself. Later, however, we saw what Bob Kostoff was up to and it was a great disappointment. Unless this is a part of a more complicated game (no one knows what to expect in this controversial OU area of research). Who knows what the real story behind Perendev is as well. I wonder if you recall a couple years ago a fellow from Kazakhstan was inviting me to visit him and see for myself three motors they purchased from Perendev working in his factory just as expected?
P.S. @Cloxxki and @Cherryman, thanks for the links.
Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2010, 10:42:35 AM
Stefan, regarding your concern about the wires seen in the front of the motor, I'm sure you read this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html#post92632 :
I think that's plausible, although it reminds me of Bob Kostoff claiming that without brakes his machine will accelerate so much that it will destroy itself. Later, however, we saw what Bob Kostoff was up to and it was a great disappointment. Unless this is a part of a more complicated game (no one knows what to expect in this controversial OU area of research). Who knows what the real story behind Perendev is as well. I wonder if you recall a couple years ago a fellow from Kazakhstan was inviting me to visit him and see for myself three motors they purchased from Perendev working in his factory just as expected?
P.S. @Cloxxki and @Cherryman, thanks for the links.
I think that if a magnet motor works, there is no back EMF in permanent magnets, and the motor will probably continue to accelerate - litterally infinitely. However, the metal plating around the neo-magnets will eventually provide some eddy currents that finally will stop the motor from accelerating - at very high rmp I guess.
Vidar
He means a coil and current induced in it by the spinning magnets, in addition to the permanent magnets. Obviously, although eddy currents also act as a brake, they are not enough and he resorted to putting an additional pick-up coil (its current is also an output from the device, obviously). So far, all seems quite plausible.
[ author= link=topic=8870.msg238724#msg238724 date=1272035245]
He means a coil and current induced in it by the spinning , in addition to the permanent magnets. Obviously, although eddy currents also act as a brake, they are not enough and he resorted to putting an additional pick-up coil (its current is also an output from the device, obviously). So far, all seems quite plausible.
[/quote]
It is true, the coils are there to prevent the machine from accelerating into chaos.
Anybody planning for a replication yet? The basic principle of the motor can be tested. It seems to be serious business with this one.
See also: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html
From: yeron
test results and hamering etc
Hello Gyula
First Dick Korf has travelled around a bit to meet inventors and helping to get the message out and implement working divices.
It is not the first time for him to see a device working.
As i heard from him he is a bit frustrated as he invested and not see the devices in the open market.
There are working prototypes but to market them and get them out there seems to be very difficult.
He does not give up and neither do I .
We are going with the flow and time will tell .
""Did it turn out what his intentions with the invention are? Wants to look for manufacturers or wants to sell it?""
As far as i know mr Yildiz is in for the invention itself .
Of course he invested in time and money and to get the investment back hee needs to think commercial to go on .
There are people out there (on this meeting too) that are willing to sponsor him and with the help of well willing people with money who believe in this invention it can be developt further.
If mr yildiz is scamming he does a good job in presenting a hoax.
If that would be the case he would be digging its own grave by getting into debt with the sponsors.
Also there would be no reason to do so as he went the whole 10 yards in getting where he is now.
The time and attention of the people at the technical university''s (TUD/TUE)
is seriously invested into the phenomena as shown by mr Yildiz.
These people have build , tested ,researched and develop t very complex machines .(you can find these on the tud/tue sites )
They are well educated people unlikely to be stupid enough to fall into a hoax or a commercial scam.
So for mr yildiz to sell the patent to a big company could be an option .
It is his invention so he can do anything with it he likes.
But with all the well willing people helping him i do not think that he will do that .
i hope that is a good answer to your question.
""Also, was it mentioned how long the motor worked already for the longest time? Days, months?""
The demonstration was too short i would like to see a test run for days!!
The torque on the axis :
I have put on a glove and tried to stop the rotation
It slowed down very easy with a little bit of pressure on the axis.
It seems that the machine looses power as the rpm goes down .
The hammering :
I saw him activate and deactivate the machine by tapping a rod inside a brass part behind the motor.
To start he hammers the rod one way an fixates the rod by tensioning the brass holder.
To stop he frees the rod by reversing the step above and tapping the rod with a hammer in the original position and fixates it again.
The camera position was a bit clumsy you could not see that.
So was the action of putting a glass bottle to close to the fast spinning fan blades and hitting it.
I send out a mail to point out that a bit more professional demo would be a good idea.
More data on torque, time ,energy output etc .
I would like to post a video of the actual start stopping action in more detail .
I saw the person who filmed the youtube video standing with the camera at the right angle .
So he has the footage of it also.
He did not edit it in the present youtube video !
As i respect the reason for that i will not post the footage of the mechanism for now.
The whole patent must be completed first to protect the invention.
I will post again when i have more information.
Greetings
Jeroen
From: yeron
Hello Again.
Nice to see that this thread is alive.
To answer the question (gyula):
''Have you noticed some pieces of wire can be seen on the front part of the motor body, behind the ventillator blades, do you know why are they needed? Perhaps this was asked during the demonstration?''
Yes we did and the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.
Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.
Lets get back to the no saying principle for a moment.
To be sceptic is healthy.
Even I am confronted with the fact that i have learned that what i see is impossible so it must be a fake .
That is what my mind tells me at that moment .
For me it is important to look at my own thought's, being aware that i react in that way.
Therefore I learn something about myself and the way i am dealing with these things get more clear.
Even when it turns out as a hoaxs i am training myself by vissiting these meetings an look at what is presented an studying the phenomena.
The next time with an other principle ore invention i will be more experienced in sniffing out a hoax .
The gain is learning ,i am eager to learn about these things.
In the case of Yildiz .
It is a pretty darn weird machine and it does something.
if there are batteries hidden or a set of magnets that wear out and have to be energised again afterwards it is still a interesting machine.
But !!!!!!
The people i am in contact with and thy are involved from day one with
mr Muammer Yildiz are well educated realistic thinking people within the settled mainstream science community.
Even mr Duarte from the TUE emphasises that there are no batteries in a bit frustrated way.
The spectators are human an will fall in to disbelief because of the nature of there mind .
To put energy into disbelief will close our ability to learn and evolve .
As humans are creative beings we will create new and mind blowing technology.
Just take look at our history in the last two Centuries.
Nicola tesla was a crackpot too .
But we do have ac power because of him.
Not to speak of how the piramids were build thousends of years ago.
We are not able to replicate these even if we have gps and laser cutting tools,big machines etc at this time.
But they are there !!!
We can 't say that it can not be done, because it is done.
Even if we do not know how its done.
It is time for A next step.
Jeroen
Report of the presentation of the Yildiz magnet motor at 20-04, '10 was held at Delft University.
Thanks to Dick Korf for the following explanation.
Dear friends,
Yes, it was a very interesting demonstration this afternoon.
There were about 40 to 50 attendees. The demonstration was by Coen Vermeeren of the TU Delft organized.
By a blow with a plastic hammer on a projection unit started and ran right around 2000 rpm.
By using a glove to the axis (try) to stop (to boost resistance) was rated well back but still developed a good couple.
The principle is based mainly on permanent magnet technology whereby magnets consisted neodyn is a very powerful magnetic material and also is maintained over time.
On the shaft is mounted a fan that causes a decent airflow.
How much energy could supply the device is not listed but Han Vriezen, long time colleague who is involved, requires 300 to 400 watts.
Compared to a weight of 35kg in 1 second the meter is lifted!
After the demonstration (approx. half hours) it has removed all exterior mainly consisted of magnets in aluminum trays were deployed / installed.
Overall, it gave it a fairly simple image where there is no magnetic coils came to pass.
Unfortunately, the rotor is not removed. (A patent is still pending).
Anyway it was clear that energy was supplied without energy was supplied and this is incredibly unique because it scientifically just may. Scientifically just Can not. Since it is known, however, be virtually nothing left.
Zero or Free Energy. Yes, everything should still have time!?
The presentation was led by Duarte, a member of the TU Eindhoven where Han weather cooperates closely.
Last Saturday, the unit demonstrated in Germany where there are 3 professors were present along with Han and Duarte.
There too it was convinced that here there was zero point energy!
The next step is to obtain funding for further optimization and perhaps further upscaling.
I have a very nice touch with the inventor (unfortunately only speak Turkish) and his pal, a Turkish lawyer from Germany, has never been offered that I knew possible funding.
My goal in this is mainly to further development in the Netherlands to maintain and therefore should take place here and get more grip on the further development.
You never know where all this is good for.
I got the impression that there was not opposed.
Further contacts should show this.
Weight 48kg, diameter ca.300mm.
The last picture shows the magnet holders disassembled.
Warm regards,Dick.
I did a spectral analysis of the audio from the demonstration. It appears that the machine slows down a little bit. Here is a portion of the spectrogram:
Check it out.
There is a download link of detail diagram information of the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWxe_RRo8k
Only part way disassembled. The bottom section is never opened. That is also where the 'Bang' switch is. The bottom section is big enough for 1200mah batteries. Considering how long it rang everything is in the ball park.
Let us see the bottom side. We are assumming symmetry in all sections. But never shown.
Quote from: luishan on April 23, 2010, 03:31:31 PM
Check it out.
There is a download link of detail diagram information of the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWxe_RRo8k
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=42
I did see the English transelation of the video was a bit short.
So for the few of you who do not speak Dutch:
The man Han Vriezen did gave some comment in Dutch that was not very well transelated he says:
"At this moment i do not think anyting about it, as long as i did not see the last part, we know nothing."
Then he continues: "But we do think we understand the working, the principle, we are 95% sure about how it operates"
And at last: "I do state , without the last part exposed, it does not proof anything"
@zerotensor,
Can you say a little more about your spectral analysis. How exactly does it show slowing down and an what the approximate rpm decrease would that show, if rpm's can be determined at all from this?
I made a closeup image of the partly dismantled motor, and found a quite descriptive image of the rotor and its basic magnet configuration,
dimly visible behind the inner plastic cover.
This plastic cover is made of separate stripes which are overlapping each other, thus canceling out or dimming the sight of the magnets.
By enhancing the contrasts and other graphical parameters in the image the magnets got quite visible. The first image below is just an
unaltered closeup. The second image is enhanced and altered to highlight the magnet configuration.
It's ten axial rows of magnets placed in a hexagonal pattern with a central magnet in each hexagon. This pattern results in the typical
Perendev displacement setting of 20 degrees. This is a Perendev motor!
Gwandau
Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
@zerotensor,
Can you say a little more about your spectral analysis. How exactly does it show slowing down and an what the approximate rpm decrease would that show, if rpm's can be determined at all from this?
The horizontal axis is time; the vertical axis is frequency. A number of harmonics are visible as horizontal stripes in the spectrogram when the machine is running. The duration of the audio clip is approx. 3 minutes. One can see that the frequency bands are not perfectly horizontal. Instead, they dip slightly. This is especially evident when the video transitions from before the airspeed test to after. The sound produced by the machine gets a little lower in pitch. The amount of pitch decrease depends on the band in question. For one prominent overtone, the pitch goes from about 400 Hz to 390 Hz (-10Hz). For the lowest frequency band visible, the pitch goes from approx. 202 Hz to 197 Hz (-5Hz). Determining the RPM decrease depends on the relationship of the overtones measured to the angular frequency of the shaft. Here's a "back of the envelope"-style calculation:
If we assume that the initial speed of the rotor was about 1200 RPM = 20Hz, then the 200 Hz band would be the 10th overtone. The corresponding dip in shaft frequency would then be, -5Hz / 10 = -0.5Hz. This would mean that the RPMs decreased by, 0.5 Hz = 30 RPM. (~1200 RPM start, ~1970 RPM end).
Regardless of the actual relationship of the frequencies to the shaft speed, I can say for sure that there is a definite and significant drop in the frequencies produced by the machine over time.
Quote from: zerotensor on April 23, 2010, 03:17:47 PM
I did a spectral analysis of the audio from the demonstration. It appears that the machine slows down a little bit. Here is a portion of the spectrogram:
I can confirm your findings. There is a peak about 403Hz in the beginning. This is the 2.harmonic distortion due to turbulence from the blades. It is 5 blades, so the rpm starts with 2418 rpm. At the end of the test the frequency peak is at 390Hz. This is 2340 rpm - a reduction of 3,3%. If the coils in the machine is used to prevent high rpm, these coils should get warm and have less influence on the rpm - so the rpm should in fact increase during the test. This does not happen.
However, the speed is pretty much constant for the first 100 - 110 seconds after the motor starts, the peak frequency is at 403Hz straight. Then there is a camera shift. From there the speed is pretty much constant 390-392Hz untill till the motor is stopped.
I strongly believe this is a hoax, but one can never be too sure. Hopefully the camcorder that was used have an unlinear clock to control the frames per second - and also the sound (Yes, clock speed change a little with the change in battery charge). New battery in the camcorder after this small break in the movie?
So there is still doubts if this is a hoax or not.....
Vidar
Looking near to Yildiz claims in the patent, he writes about an inner stator, the rotor as a hollow cylinder, and an outer stator. In his drawings you can see this principle in fig.11 in fig.17a and very clear in fig.21 and 22. I think that is the crux. There is a certain order of magnets on all of those parts. Using an hollow rotor and within a core stator is genial. It makes as if the rotor runs on magnetic bearings. Fig. 22 shows how this construction works as a tri-force rotor and maybe as a Halbach array. Fig. 21 explains more about the set up of the magnets and the polarization.
His approach in ordering the magnets is for sure very original.
The spectral analysis done by zerotensor is a good indicator of the RPM decreasing during the test. This is in-line with the volt and amp measurements in Table 1 decreasing, from a test of an earlier prototype from Yildiz in 2005, http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
GB
Except there is a sudden change in rpm at the video break. Before and after the rpm are stable...
Quote from: Gwandau on April 23, 2010, 04:43:40 PM
It's ten axial rows of magnets placed in a hexagonal pattern with a central magnet in each hexagon. This pattern results in the typical
Perendev displacement setting of 20 degrees. This is a Perendev motor!
If it's a Perendev, then we are loosing our time. Perendev is a scam and the scammer was arrested this week.
I hope it's not a Perendev. But i'm starting to think that it's a hoax... If it was genuine, the inventor should already had made a definitive demonstration, lasting for hours, not minutes.
Quote from: Rapadura on April 23, 2010, 08:16:12 PM
If it's a Perendev, then we are loosing our time. Perendev is a scam and the scammer was arrested this week.
I hope it's not a Perendev. But i'm starting to think that it's a hoax... If it was genuine, the inventor should already had made a definitive demonstration, lasting for hours, not minutes.
Don't be too fast. We can't be so sure what the actual situation around Mike Brady is. That whole arrest thing is about angry investors and the fact that he hasn't delivered on time may be due to various excusable reasons. If delays in delivery are to lead to arrests then those with the Tokamak or the ones with the 5 billion dollar laser fusion delaying the delivery for years if not decades should be arrested way before Mike Brady. The problem the likes of Brady and Yilmaz have is that they dream of fortune from their creation which will never come to life because an OU machine is the most anti-business device known to man. Companies would be out their minds to invest in it even if they convince themselves beyon doubt that it is real. What these people should do is go out of their way to have thousands replicate their machine around the world as promptly as possible. That's the only way they can protect themselves as well as improve their financial state.
Greed is not good. Greed delays human progress.
If I had invented an all- magnet motor the last thing I should do would try to become a billionaire. I should make it open source to everyone replicate freely.
I'd be rich anyway, giving lectures and writing books. No need to be a billionaire.
Get real, guys. Who here has any remaining shadow of an inkling of a doubt that TPTB don't already have exotic energy sources by now???
Anybody?
What they have is formidable. Most, if not all of it, plucked from truly gifted men at the end of the sword, hypodermic needle, aerosol spray nozzle, or beam weapon of some kind.
Any joe blow maverick researcher will not be allowed to compete unless it is by design, with such individual dancing at the end of both visible and hidden strings.
"Who can wage war with the beast?".....
We'll see soon enough.....
Too soon for many.
Blessings in Christ Yeshua
What's TPTB?
Quote from: Omnibus on April 24, 2010, 12:34:51 AM
What's TPTB?
"the powers that be" <-- to heck with those creeps.
We will share it with everybody... tptb can't stop us.
If you live by the sword ,
you determine your own destiny!
With every new breathe we can choose to change ours!
[really good stuff]!
Change is upon us !
Change that no sword can stay!
A silk worm is "about"!
Chet
Omnibus, I totally agree.
Free energy for everybody would be a disaster for the present power structure,
and a pain in the ass for the guys that like to stay in charge.
Over Unity solutions are directly opposing the existing monetary system and will never be accepted
in the present context of our political-economical systems.
What surprises me is this naivitee expressed by all free energy inventors of today.
Free energy is a contradiction to all existing societies of today, wich are all based on unfree means of competition.
The only way to implement free energy in the present structure of society would be by waiting until our old fashioned
resources like oil are totally emptied, which won´t be in the predicted 2025 since they have found a new type of high viscous
oil-related material in vast amounts fully possible to convert to oil derivates like petrol and the like, wich may serve
the interests of the oil industry for many hundreds of years.
The key to global free energy is a combination of unselfishness and self sustain.
My advice to the free energy inventors of today is: Don´t play the old game that is controlled by the giants.
They who set the rules, always win.
Beat them by their weakest point: unselfishness. Rise above your patent dreams and post your inventions on the Internet.
In the end free energy products are going to annihilate the economic system anyway, so why wait?
Tune In to the open source, Turn On your own free energy engine, and Drop Out of the present society.
Become self sustaining regarding your energy consumption, and society will change by itself.
Gwandau
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I did a spectral analysis of the audio from the demonstration. It appears that the machine slows down a little bit. Here is a portion of the spectrogram:
[/quote]I did a little experiment in Photoshop. If I want to make a line, I can hold down "shift" key" while making the line to force absolute horizontal line.
In the attached picture below, it prooves what seems like a gradually decreasing rpm goes actually in steps. It means each of the three shots from the camcorder was taken with a relatively long time apart. If this is of any interest.
And the picture ofcourse:
This motor looks very similar to the Perendev motor and most of us know what a fantastic fake this motor was. One has to keep in mind that the Perendev motor was also opened up on video at the end of its demonstration. I personally hope that the free energy magnetic motor is real and not a hoax.
Someone in this “Magnet Motors†forum should approach or email the inventor to convince him to allow this website or someone from it to complete a replication of his motor. I know there are very talented and remarkable individuals here at Overunity.com that can easily build this motor given all the proper specifications. This is the only solid way that his motor and its claims can ever be established. I am completely devoted to hydrogen related technologies and therefore completing a replication of this motor is outside the area of my expertise.
Hoping this is a real motor,
Chessnyt
Check it Out this channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM
http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM#g/u
This channel have a lot of magnet motor related information.
Has anyone seen that the fan is mounted the wrong way (Blades are curved outwards (Convex))? Mounting a fan this way will require less energy to rotate. I bet there would be much more power output, (and probably a shorter demonstration) if the fan was mounted correctly.
Any opinion about this (Except that I am trying to convince myself that this motor is a hoax ;D LOL)
Vidar
Hey Vidar,
I just found this (on Perendev, and others) ... I was not aware that magnetic motors "that start to run thru magnetic power" are so common after all ... and all a hoax:
(excerpt, took from: http://www.nuscam.com/perendev.htm )
-----------------------------------------
I have seen first-hand three magnetic motors running and have written
cost feasibility and reproducibility reports on all three. Two of them
I had in my lab and my staff used the inventors' plans to build several
working replicas. We also went and saw, first-hand, the Perendev
device.
All three designs used "Rare Earth" magnets (Neodymium, or more
correctly stated, Neodymium Iron Boron or NdFeB) and our various
reproductions used NdFeB, SmCo and Ferrite magnets. We did not attempt
to reproduce the Perendev device because of its design proximity to one
of the other two.
The results were always the same: they all run down. Under load, they
run down very quickly. It doesn't take very long for magnets to lose
their magnetism when they are constantly being put in opposition to one
another.
Every magnet has a "maximum energy product" rated in Mega Gauss
Oersteds, MGOe. This is the amount of work a magnet can do before its
level of magnetism has deteriorated to the point that its energy doesn't
reach out far enough to affect anything surrounding it. Contrary to the
popular notion that rare earth magnets are invincible, even the most
expensive sintered NdFeB magnets max out at less than 50 MGOe. If they
are used in a device that puts them constantly in opposition, they will
run down, and this is the whole assumption behind so-called "magnetic
motors".
-----------------------------------------
So from here it runs down (no pun intended) that any motor filled with magnets in oposing way, would actually work if cleverly placed, but they will run down very quickly (as the sonogram actually shows).
Case is closed folks, it seems...
SigmaX
I believe,
that the statement of Keith Anderson having seen the Perendev Motor
is just not true,
cause Mike Brady, who was recently arrested
has never shown his motor to anybody outside as far as I know
and his video was obviously faked with somebody using
a drill (not beeing seen at the side of the videoframe ) turning the motor.
Didn´t you all wonder, why he never showed new videos
of his motor ?
Now Brady is arrested to have sucked out money from 61 persons
who paid each 20.000 Euros for the motor and never getting anything delivered...
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: sigmaX on April 24, 2010, 07:27:55 PM
Hey Vidar,
I just found this (on Perendev, and others) ... I was not aware that magnetic motors "that start to run thru magnetic power" are so common after all ... and all a hoax:
(excerpt, took from: http://www.nuscam.com/perendev.htm )
-----------------------------------------
I have seen first-hand three magnetic motors running and have written
cost feasibility and reproducibility reports on all three. Two of them
I had in my lab and my staff used the inventors' plans to build several
working replicas. We also went and saw, first-hand, the Perendev
device.
All three designs used "Rare Earth" magnets (Neodymium, or more
correctly stated, Neodymium Iron Boron or NdFeB) and our various
reproductions used NdFeB, SmCo and Ferrite magnets. We did not attempt
to reproduce the Perendev device because of its design proximity to one
of the other two.
The results were always the same: they all run down. Under load, they
run down very quickly. It doesn't take very long for magnets to lose
their magnetism when they are constantly being put in opposition to one
another.
Every magnet has a "maximum energy product" rated in Mega Gauss
Oersteds, MGOe. This is the amount of work a magnet can do before its
level of magnetism has deteriorated to the point that its energy doesn't
reach out far enough to affect anything surrounding it. Contrary to the
popular notion that rare earth magnets are invincible, even the most
expensive sintered NdFeB magnets max out at less than 50 MGOe. If they
are used in a device that puts them constantly in opposition, they will
run down, and this is the whole assumption behind so-called "magnetic
motors".
-----------------------------------------
So from here it runs down (no pun intended) that any motor filled with magnets in oposing way, would actually work if cleverly placed, but they will run down very quickly (as the sonogram actually shows).
Case is closed folks, it seems...
SigmaX
Show me an all magnet motor that would make more than one full turn self-starting and don't worry about magnets running down. Where can I see this?
Regarding the
Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
it seems that the audio diagramm shows it quite nice,
that the RPM is going down and this
tells me, that the motor is
powered internally via batteries, which are
slowly discharging.
So the statement that there are EMF coils,
which just stabilize the RPM is not very plausible...
I don´t think that it could be magnets, which wear out
and discharge their magnetism...
As it is obvious, that there are coils inside there,
it is very probably that there is also a hidden battery
that is discharging.
Has anybody asked Muammer Yildiz what happened
with his earlier device and why he did not come forward with this again ?
He had also a big claim then at this time in 2005 when he had his
ALubox-Case device and he never delivered any real device or
did say, how it worked...
It just vanished and he might just had cashed in a few
investor monies for it and then vanished ?
Why did nobody ask him about his old device and what came out of it ?
The new motor with the decreasing RPM just sounds to easy to be
any real working magnet motor...
How did he stop the motor again at the demonstration ?
Could anybody, who have seen it let us please know, how he stopped it ?
Did he loosen any cable outside or just stopped the shaft ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan.
I hear that Muammer Yildiz is going to present his motor somewhere in Germany. I thought you might be interested in attending. I am very curious to know what your impressions are. Are you planning on attending?
sigmaX,
magnets does not run down if their repulsive positions are alternated with attractive positions.
So if anyone made a magnet motor that way, the magnets would not run down, just as it says in the link you provided:
quote:
If the magnets are placed in a state of repulsion only against each other in a magnet motor system, I would agree they will lose their magnetism over time. If the magnets in the Perendev magnet motor are always in a state of repulsion only, then this would explain the magnet depletion problem.
However, if the magnets are placed in a working system so as to have repulsion forces on one half cycle and attraction forces on the other half cycle, then the magnets will continue their magnetic field density unchanged as they will realigned themselves.
Thus my Impulsion motor.
I have a set of 36 neodymium rare earth magnets grade 35 mounted in my permanent magnet dynamo since 1987, and I have found no difference in the magnetic field density today as compared to the time I first ordered them in 1987.
Sincerely
Alan L Francoeur
ALF
Inventor
B.C. Canada
end of guote
sigmaX, in the quote you gave that fellow says:
QuoteTwo of them
I had in my lab and my staff used the inventors' plans to build several
working replicas.
What kind of lab is this, where is it located and do you have any contact information?
I agree with the argument that the motor is running down slowly. A short demonstration of his power generating device is useless. That is of course because of the possibility of internal batteries or, like the Perendev device its magnets will run down or be shown to be a fake.
If Mr Yildiz would show a much longer demonstration of the device, it would make for a much more convincing demonstration. I suggest as an absolute bare-bones minimum go for 24 hours. A longer time than 24 hours would be even better. Such an opportunity could arise if Mr. Yildiz is going to be giving a demonstration this May in Germany. Any slowing down of the motor from weakening of its magnets would be more apparent from a longer duration test. Bear in mind, if the device is real and actually goes into production the device would be expected to operate continuously for years on end.
Quote from: Earthrise on April 25, 2010, 10:58:57 AM
I agree with the argument that the motor is running down slowly. A short demonstration of his power generating device is useless. That is of course because of the possibility of internal batteries or, like the Perendev device its magnets will run down or be shown to be a fake.
If Mr Yildiz would show a much longer demonstration of the device, it would make for a much more convincing demonstration. I suggest as an absolute bare-bones minimum go for 24 hours. A longer time than 24 hours would be even better. Such an opportunity could arise if Mr. Yildiz is going to be giving a demonstration this May in Germany. Any slowing down of the motor from weakening of its magnets would be more apparent from a longer duration test. Bear in mind, if the device is real and actually goes into production the device would be expected to operate continuously for years on end.
Again, weakening of the magnets, if at all, has no bearing on whether or not this is an OU machine. It will be an OU machine even in the unlikely situation of magnets weakening.
Of course, if there's an internal battery that would be an outright fraud, given the impression he's creating that it's an all-magnet motor (not to me confused with the Steorb's battery driven eOrbo which was demonstrated to be OU, if there were no measurement errors).
Also, do you know it for a fact that the magnets of Perendev device are running down and that it's a fake or you're just repeating what you've heard or read what somebody has said on the internet?
Let's hope this motor will be questioned and examined in detail at the demonstration in May - if they show up.
What I understand from what I read in here and in the different links I found is that magnetic motors of opposing magnets would deplete quite quickly. This seems to correlate with the presented sonogram ...
I would say that the only hope is the evident one: That Yildiz ends his "secrecy" (I read that he already got the needed patents) and show a real blow up of his invention with datasheet, etc.
This "cruzade" from university to university, at the end of the day, won´t give the assurance needed for any smart investor, unless he really opens up.
SigmaX
Obviously, his university "crusade" isn't geared towards smart investors but is aimed at un-smart ones. And there are plenty of those out there. He obviously knows that others have done it this way too and have amassed tons of money through "smart" talking to investors backed up by the appearance of university approval. I can think of at least three such enterprises (Perendev is not one of these; he hasn't been "smart" obviously by getting himself into trouble with investors) happily floating as we speak on millions of investor money, having delivered practically nothing. This whole game is pathetic and is to the great detriment to the OU revolution.
If he really wants to win he should go out of his way to assist thousands of people to replicate his motor. This applies to anybody with such claims.
Why 3 seperate threads here about this?
My very quick take:
1) Well manufactured device
2) Extremely lacking on details, numbers, run times etc. etc.
3) Mostly disassembled doesn't equal fully disassembled
The lack of any data or any discussion on the theory of operation, the short demonstration time and the fact it was only partially disassembled means, at this point, this can't be considered anything more than a well built device of modest entertainment value.
Quote from: sigmaX on April 25, 2010, 01:49:35 PM
I read that he already got the needed patents
A WIPO offers just basic protection until the seperate national applications can be applied for.
The detailed WIPO presented does contain alot of info and gives his device a bit more credability.
Now... which national patents will he actually persue?
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/fetch.jsp?LANG=ENG&DBSELECT=PCT&SERVER_TYPE=19-10&SORT=11293612-KEY&TYPE_FIELD=256&IDB=0&IDOC=1692293&C=10&ELEMENT_SET=B&RESULT=1&TOTAL=1&START=1&DISP=25&FORM=SEP-0/HITNUM,B-ENG,DP,MC,AN,PA,ABSUM-ENG&SEARCH_IA=EP2008006459&QUERY=%28WO%2fWO2009019001%29+
https://register.epoline.org/espacenet/application;jsessionid=99B81E59A60A32AFC338B2759BF43949.RegisterPlus_prod_1?number=EP08801521&tab=main
One year ago 27. april 2009 there was presentation in Eindhoven TU. Motor seems now more powerfull. In this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0LV63c5vY&feature=related
few seconds starting at about 20secs are from Eindhoven.
Marcel
Quote from: Omnibus on April 25, 2010, 11:16:12 AM
Again, weakening of the magnets, if at all, has no bearing on whether or not this is an OU machine. It will be an OU machine even in the unlikely situation of magnets weakening.
Of course, if there's an internal battery that would be an outright fraud, given the impression he's creating that it's an all-magnet motor (not to me confused with the Steorb's battery driven eOrbo which was demonstrated to be OU, if there were no measurement errors).
Also, do you know it for a fact that the magnets of Perendev device are running down and that it's a fake or you're just repeating what you've heard or read what somebody has said on the internet?
I don't personally know that the Perendev device is a fake or a fraud. However,according to Sterling Allan the German police do. "After reporting on April 14th that Perendev, famous for its all-magnet motor claim and viral video, had closed its doors, I noticed a couple of comments saying that the inventor and CEO, Michael J. Brady, had been arrested.
Finally today, I was pointed to two German newspaper articles that confirmed that he was indeed arrested in Zurich on March 29 and extradited to Germany in answer to a request made by the Public Prosecutor of Munich. He now sits in a jail in Stadelheim"
http://pesn.com/2010/04/24/9501640_Michael_J_Brady_arrested_for_embezzlement/
Keep it honest, guys.
Quote from: Earthrise on April 26, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
I don't personally know that the Perendev device is a fake or a fraud. However,according to Sterling Allan the German police do. "After reporting on April 14th that Perendev, famous for its all-magnet motor claim and viral video, had closed its doors, I noticed a couple of comments saying that the inventor and CEO, Michael J. Brady, had been arrested.
Finally today, I was pointed to two German newspaper articles that confirmed that he was indeed arrested in Zurich on March 29 and extradited to Germany in answer to a request made by the Public Prosecutor of Munich. He now sits in a jail in Stadelheim"
http://pesn.com/2010/04/24/9501640_Michael_J_Brady_arrested_for_embezzlement/
Keep it honest, guys.
So, to keep it honest we should establish the fact that you have read what somebody else has said and what a paper has written but you personally don't know it for a fact. In this case you are acting as just a conduit of somebody else's words. Many times, however, this somebody else can have a large chip on his shoulder.
QuoteMany times, however, this somebody else can have a large chip on his shoulder.
You said it, OB-Wan....and sadly, too many times that 'chip' on the shoulder turns out to be a battery of some kind.
Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-IkulPFMxs
You'd at least think they could move on to thin film ultracaps!
What??? This motor was already demonstrated in Eindhoven 1 year ago, with the same guy Jorge Luiz Duarte participating in the demonstration?
It's obviously a SCAM!
@MT,
many thanks for posting the pics from the demo at
27. april 2009
What was exactly presented at this date ?
Did he also show a selfrunning motor then to the
people attending there ?
Did you also attend it ?
Why do we only see pictures now 1 year later ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Rapadura on April 26, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
What??? This motor was already demonstrated in Eindhoven 1 year ago, with the same guy Jorge Luiz Duarte participating in the demonstration?
It's obviously a SCAM!
Presentation really took place. Made in meantime a video compilation of my recordings from it and uploaded to youtube. Check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeHXTnEddA4
Presentation took about one hour. Two motors were shown: diassembled yellow one and fully working motor with red fan. This motor with fan was started and stopped couple of times (on people request). I did not notice any run down. It basically run whole hour with small pauses needed to restart him.
The plan was (if I understood it correctly) to show working motor (yellow one) and then dissassemble it completely to show there are no batteries in it. Unfortunately (here we go again) the yellow motor broke down during tests and there was no backup. Only working motor with fan was not patented enough to be open for public. So basically it was just shown as is and let people decide to believe it or not.
It is interesting that motor was at least partially open in Delft presentation. Hope somebody made there detailed photos of its parts.
Delft version seems much stronger, people could not hear each other due to noise from ventilator. In Eindhoven presenation people could normally communicate next to it.
@MT,
Thanks a lot for posting the video.
Did you get an idea as to what the purpose of that presentation might have been? Such presentation can in no way count as a proper demonstration of a device with such claims, because it doesn't meet the sound scientific criteria an university would require. What was the point a year ago at Eindhoven and what was the point this year at Delft? The worth of presenting it this way is every bit as much as if were never presented at all. Doesn't Yildiz realize that? Isn't that the case, really -- even this community here in this forum that so much cares about such devices wasn't aware that such presentation ever happened a year ago. Such claims will continue sinking in obscurity until the likes of Yildiz change their ways.
Did it become clear then, in Eindhoven, or now in Delft under what conditions he will assist third parties to replicate this motor?
@MT,
Yes, many thanks for posting this video.
Why was the presentation back in 2009 kept so secret ?
Nobody reported at this time about this event...
Hmm..
what was the outcome of it all ?
What did Dr. Duarte tell later to all the people there ?
Was Yildiz only doing this to get new investors ?
I have now seen also some critical claims about him on a few
youtube channel from a guy that worked with him
before and was dropped by Yildiz...
I still have to collect these claims and post it over here.
Regards, Stefan.
3890548. EV Gray type.
As there have been so many inventors who are/were obviously on the right track, one may reasonably surmise that more than coincidence is at work in their collective failure (to date) to reach the mainstream.
The principle dynamics at work are relatively simple and as such, are anathema to the world's thoroughly corrupted established corporate/governing systems.
The proliferation of such power would only be allowed by hidden design and for hidden agenda.
http://www.rense.com/general54/babalc.htm
Now that TPTB have harnessed the power that they had long lusted after, only a greater Power will subdue them. It was all foretold long ago. That Power is not just greater, but Much Greater. As will be Justly and thoroughly demonstrated relatively soon.
MR
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 26, 2010, 07:33:48 PM
@MT,
Why was the presentation back in 2009 kept so secret ?
Nobody reported at this time about this event...
Hmm..
what was the outcome of it all ?
What did Dr. Duarte tell later to all the people there ?
Was Yildiz only doing this to get new investors ?
Regards, Stefan.
It was not a secret, no papers needed to be signed at the door. I got notice about such event through a friend who knew I was a bit into the energy stuff. Just nobody wrote about it here sofar. I myself did not feel comfortable to post it at that time and was just postponing it, maybe waiting for an impuls. When reading about the delft then I decided to publish what I know about it.
There were no claims raised. Actually I heard Dr. Duarte wanted to cancel presentation as there was basically nothing to show. Nothing in sense of complete opening of a working magnetic motor. But people were already comming so it was decided to go with it.
I think that yellow motor was meant to be shown running by itself then taken apart in front of professors and students to prove there are no batteries or other tricks. In my eyes that would be sufficient to claim magnetic motor as self running. The other with ventilator would be then a better version of same technology. There was no follow up, at least not that I know.
I know nothing about Delft and intentions behind it. Read about it at this website. No idea why it was chosen to show working motor but did not open it completely. Again!
What's good here I think is that inventor shows some willingness to at least open motors that are protected enough (in his eyes) for public. But would all of this be enough to make a replication?
Well, Yildiz´s former partner Erol Sert does not talk nicely about him:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=EW0LV63c5vY
He thinks Yildiz just wants to scam new investors only ...
Hmm....
He wrote:
Natürlich ist er bekannt er war mein Partner, aber am besten ist er bei der Staatsanwalt bekannt.
Yildiz braucht wieder Geld.
Bin mal gespannt wem er noch Geld aus der Tasche ziehen wird
(Meine Meinung )Es ist ein Flugzeugbau Elektromotor in der Maschine und Batterien den Rest kann man sich doch denken
Surely Yildiz is known, he was my partner, but he is better also well known from the
public prosecutor.
Yildiz needs again money.
I wonder, from which guy he will suck money out of the pocket now.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this motor with batteries and
the rest you can imagine yourself..
@MT,
QuoteI think that yellow motor was meant to be shown running by itself then taken apart in front of professors and students to prove there are no batteries or other tricks. In my eyes that would be sufficient to claim magnetic motor as self running. The other with ventilator would be then a better version of same technology. There was no follow up, at least not that I know.
That reminds me of what happened when Walter Torbay from Argentina came here in Manhattan with his motor. I wonder if you remember that story? He brought a model of his motor which supposedly was to be shown working as a self-sustaining machine. He, however, couldn't get it to work blaming for that the customs who he said had him take it apart after which he couldn't put it back together in a working condition. Instead, he showed a video of the motor purportedly working while taking apart the non-working model, same as in Yildiz case. You should read what the Argentinean press quoted that guy Torbay to have said regarding this event. Unbelievable.
The pattern repeats itself. Certainly, the likes of Dr.Duarte should see to it prior to calling the meeting that the open model really works and ensure that the open model is in working condition during the meeting, ready to be openly shown (the promotional motor shouldn't even be allowed in the room). If not he should promptly cancel it and not offer the bogus excuse that people have already gathered. Otherwise, a suspicion will always remain that he is in on the scam.
QuoteIn my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this motor with batteries
Question is, does the guy really know that for a fact or that's just his opinion?
Quote[ author=hartiberlin link=topic=8870.msg239224#msg239224 date=1272354297]
Well, Yildiz´s former partner Erol Sert does not talk nicely about him:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=EW0LV63c5vY
He thinks Yildiz just wants to scam new investors only ...
Hmm....
He wrote:
Natürlich ist er bekannt er war mein Partner, aber am besten ist er bei der Staatsanwalt bekannt.
Yildiz braucht wieder Geld.
Bin mal gespannt wem er noch Geld aus der Tasche ziehen wird
(Meine Meinung )Es ist ein Flugzeugbau Elektromotor in der Maschine und Batterien den Rest kann man sich doch denken
Surely Yildiz is know, he was my partner, but he is better also well known from the
prosectutor.
Yildiz needs again money.
I wonder, from which guy he will suck money out of the pocket now.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this with and
the rest you can imagine yourself..
Beware Stephan this might be a jealous competitor trying to defame him. The guy himself has a magnet motor which needs an electric drive to run.
Well I tried to call Mr. Erol Sert
today, but he was not there and he will hopefully
call me back. I also emailed him.
Well, if he really was the partner of him and had a dispute,
then he will probably tell us, what he knows about it.
He probably had financed the demo of the aluminium -box demo
in 2005 where Duarte was also the host....
We will see, what he can tell us.
Mr. Duarte did not yet answer my email to him.
Regards, Stefan.
Beware of brazilians (like Duarte)... I'm brazilian, I know what I'm saying!
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 27, 2010, 03:44:57 AM
Well, Yildiz´s former partner Erol Sert does not talk nicely about him:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=EW0LV63c5vY
He thinks Yildiz just wants to scam new investors only ...
Hmm....
He wrote:
Natürlich ist er bekannt er war mein Partner, aber am besten ist er bei der Staatsanwalt bekannt.
Yildiz braucht wieder Geld.
Bin mal gespannt wem er noch Geld aus der Tasche ziehen wird
(Meine Meinung )Es ist ein Flugzeugbau Elektromotor in der Maschine und Batterien den Rest kann man sich doch denken
Surely Yildiz is known, he was my partner, but he is better also well known from the
public prosecutor.
Yildiz needs again money.
I wonder, from which guy he will suck money out of the pocket now.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this motor with batteries and
the rest you can imagine yourself..
Is it just me that is not surprised? Can we again confirm that magnet motors cannot produce energy? How many examples do we have to see before we are convinced that magnets is not the key to free energy?
I'm just sceptic :)
Vidar
I don't think there is a hidden batery in this device. How would you look if somebody sees it ? This acrylic rig of his is quite transparent. And in overall, it would be just to lame ;]
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low quality video on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.
You're saying that's just a big magnetic bearing. Yes, magnetic bearings can rotate for ages. But can you make them self start with such a power ? Yeah sure, you can say that the initial power has been provided by a hammer blow. Well... it's not a HAMMER but a hammer, and the inventor hasn't drunk ten redbulls to punch it. Make a rig that rotates like this with whatever hammer you like and then we can talk.
The only real problem I can see with this device is, that it doesn't like load. Somebody said here, that it can be stopped just by hand. Ok, that's not much, but... Connect it to the generator, where the lenz law doesn't apply and you have a source of power. For sure you need the generator part first ;)
All in all, I think it's just to soon to bury this A. He's is currently doing everything he can do. He needs investors so he presents the device. He is just in the middle of the patent procedure so he cannot open the device. If he want's to make money with it he just cannot give you everything on the table. And stop talking about open source like it's the best thing to do. It isn't. Every single one of you would firstly replicate it and then go and start a production company. The inventor would remain just an inventor. Yes he will find himself in Wikipedia. Yes he will write a book, start a web page etc. But all of you know, that the only guy who makes the real money is the guy with the first production line. Why cannot it be the inventor himself? Hasn't he earned this ? And if he starts the production company - won't you buy the device ? Won't the environment get better ? It will. So give this guy a break and let him work. If he's a scum you will know that sooner or later. If you don't trust him simply don't invest. But stop blaming him of being a businessman. Sorry for offtopic.
@Airstriker, if that's the way he'd woo investors he'd do better to start a church. Otherwise, the proper way would be to wait until he gets a patent granted and then demonstrate the device properly. The patent is his protection, isn't it? Otherwise why have a patent? Once he has a patent granted the details he's hiding now have to be fully disclosed so that the investors can see what their money is going for. If he doesn't want to disclose anything he should sell it as a trade secret and if he decides to go along that root he has no place in a university, on youtube etc. No one denies him the right to earn money (good luck with the most anti-business project) but that shouldn't be done through scams, hoaxes let alone outright fraud. Shows like the one we're witnessing smells of that rather than of a genuine, honest attempt to attract investors.
Quote from: Airstriker on April 27, 2010, 09:49:35 AM
I don't think there is a hidden batery in this device. How would you look if somebody sees it ? This acrylic rig of his is quite transparent. And in overall, it would be just to lame ;]
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low quality video on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.
The rpm is clearly slown down at the next video take. The rpm are too stable at the first few minutes of the video, also in the few minutes of the second take, to determine the process visually. It is too much noise in the background and turbulence of the blades to say exactly how much it slows down during the "stable" rpm period.
The second take was done a bit later in the session according to the clock on the wall displayed after the second video take was started. During that time, the motor had slown down enough to easily see the result with an audio spectrometer.
Vidar
Quote from: Airstriker on April 27, 2010, 09:49:35 AM
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.
Yes, as far-out as it might seem to you, the low quality video on youtube does indeed contain enough information to strongly support the notion that the device slows down. The three minutes of audio exhibit spectral banding on a number of overtones, each with nearly identical slopes, only during the portion of the audio which contains the sound of the machine. A 20Hz hum in the background remains rock-solid for the duration of the clip. It is true that compression algorithms can and do introduce all manner of artifacts into the spectrogram of an audio file, but the broad features which I cite are not compression artifacts.
As an analogy, imagine instead analyzing a JPEG file. Sure, a zoomed-in view a few pixels across will not contain much accurate information about the details of the subject, but the full image will more-or-less faithfully reproduce the original, uncompressed source. Similarly, a couple hundred samples of a compressed audio file may diverge from the uncompressed source audio significantly, but a broad look at the ~3.9 million 16-bit samples in the 3-minute audio clip does actually give us some useful information. (assuming the codec does its job properly).
While I think this is very good evidence that the machine in the video slowed-down, I have not made any claim as to *why* this happened. It's just data. Hopefully, this data helps us to understand a little more fully what's going on in the demonstration.
Here is an annotated, JPEG-compressed image file which indicates the 20Hz hum I was talking about. Note that even though the image has been compromised by lossy compression, and the details are a bit fuzzy, you can still read the text and see the "overall picture". ;)
QuoteAll in all, I think it's just to soon to bury this A. He's is currently doing everything he can do. He needs investors so he presents the device. He is just in the middle of the patent procedure so he cannot open the device. If he want's to make money with it he just cannot give you everything on the table. And stop talking about open source like it's the best thing to do. It isn't. Every single one of you would firstly replicate it and then go and start a production company. The inventor would remain just an inventor. Yes he will find himself in Wikipedia. Yes he will write a book, start a web page etc. But all of you know, that the only guy who makes the real money is the guy with the first production line. Why cannot it be the inventor himself? Hasn't he earned this ? And if he starts the production company - won't you buy the device ? Won't the environment get better ? It will. So give this guy a break and let him work. If he's a scum you will know that sooner or later. If you don't trust him simply don't invest. But stop blaming him of being a businessman. Sorry for offtopic.
Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!
Quote from: Bertoa on April 27, 2010, 02:18:34 PM
Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!
I disagree. Before the claims are sustained properly I don't think anybody should waste time on replicating it. We've been through such craziness and have met with nothing but dead-end. No way, Jose. Not again.
something a bit obvious:
Why the weird noise ?
If it is an all magnet motor, wouldn't it be completely silent ?
The ony way it could make such noise would be if the magnets had to move, inside it, while being attracted or repelled ... but -correct me if I am wrong- in the dismantling there is no movement on the magnets to grant that noise ? (maybe it is shown, I do not recall and I cannot look right now).
So again: if there is no moving magnet when dissasembling the motor, where does that noise come from ?? it is just too loud ...
Sigmax
I spoke today with Mr. Sert and another german guy,
who helped Yildiz over a year here in Germany and in Turkey
and they wanted to do real measurements,
also still with the older units,
but they said, Yildiz has scammed many people only out of their
money (huge sums) and never delivered the final proof.
During some measurement setups, always the motor broke down
and so never real measurements could be taken.
Yildiz then said, he must fly back to Turkey to repair it.
He never showed the internal parts of it to the other people
and the German guy said, that Yildiz seems not to understand it himself
and maybe he just has some friends in Turkey, who build it for him
and this is why he could not fix it in Germany and must have flown
back to Turkey.
The german guy, who I trust, cause I already know him
for quite some years, also warned any people, not to put any
money into this, without seeing the inner details of the motor,
which he also did never see, as Yildiz was also very secretive about it
all the time, although they signed NDAs.
ALso, there is a penalty order against Yildiz from
another investor who he also scammed out of his money
and if Yildiz would be again in Germany, he might be
arrested as well as Perendev !
It all surely looks like this motor has hidden batteries
which go down after a while
and this is, why Yildiz never shows the motor
running longer than 30 minutes.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but this is the way it is...
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Omnibus link=topic=8870.msg239261#msg239261 A=1272377159
@Airstriker, if that's the way he'd woo investors he'd do better to start a A. Otherwise, the proper way would be to wait until he gets a patent granted and then demonstrate the device properly. The patent is his protection, isn't it? Otherwise why have a patent? Once he has a patent granted the details he's hiding now have to be fully disclosed so that the investors can see what their money is going for. If he doesn't want to disclose anything he should sell it as a trade secret and if he decides to go along that root he has no place in a university, on youtube etc. No one denies him the right to earn money (good luck with the most anti-business project) but that shouldn't be done through scams, hoaxes let alone outright fraud. Shows like the one we're witnessing smells of that rather than of a genuine, honest attempt to attract investors.
Sure he can wait. Do you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever. If you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ? He doesn't have to collect any money now. He just makes us hungry. You can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much. And I don't think he will hide something again when the patent is granted. But of course time will tell.
As for the rpm's slowing down and the "noise"... You forgot about the coils. The coils are there to controll the speed. I don't know his speed controller unit design, do you ? What if it slows down the machine periodically ? Or what if it's not a precise controller unit and it slows down the machine just a bit to much ? Or even what if it's a manual controller unit (just the shorted coils) and the device is continuously slowing down till the operator notices it and "turns off" the coils by hand ? It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a working magnet A. If it really exists, shouldn't it accelerate to the infinity (theoretically of course)? You really have to slow it down in some way. Coils and the changing load sound good for me.
As for the sound... You have magnets, you have coils - this makes a perfect sound machine ;]
All in all, this machine looks damn good for me. It just simply has all the pieces needed to make it work. Let's just hope that it doesn't have a batery as one of it's pieces ;]
And as for the statement that OU is the most anti-business stuff in the world - why ? If the production line is set it won't stop. Ever. The owner is rich. Forever. Sure - the owner and nobody else. The economy, the global order will change, collape or simply adapt to the situation. For sure they will loose. Many people will loose. War may be ahead. So yes, anti-business stuff, but not for the inventor.
Edit:
One more thing. If you want to replicate it, it won't be easy. First of all, you need those special shaped magnets - not easy to find. If you have some - tell me where to get them ;]
If Mr. Yildiz continues as he does, he will end up soon
also in prison as Mike Brady for scamming investors.
QuoteDo you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever.
Well, everybody wants fast money. And, by the way, it seems more than five years have passed since he has filed for a patent. Or, he's going to file periodically so that he will excuse his unwillingness to divulge details (his scam, that is) easily that way. Clever, isn't it?
QuoteIf you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ?
Easier still is to rob a bank. Why not do it if the money is to be had at any rate?
QuoteYou can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much.
I know but that doesn't change the overall ufavorable picture.
QuoteAs for the rpm's slowing down and the "noise"... You forgot about the coils. The coils are there to controll the speed. I don't know his speed controller unit design, do you ? What if it slows down the machine periodically ? Or what if it's not a precise controller unit and it slows down the machine just a bit to much ? Or even what if it's a manual controller unit (just the shorted coils) and the device is continuously slowing down till the operator notices it and "turns off" the coils by hand ? It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a working magnet A. If it really exists, shouldn't it accelerate to the infinity (theoretically of course)? You really have to slow it down in some way. Coils and the changing load sound good for me.
Slowing down or not the fact is that he never showed it working for more than half an hour. Read what Stefan posted above. Is that fact to be ignored as well because we so much want to believe what he's showing is real?
QuoteAnd as for the statement that OU is the most anti-business stuff in the world - why ? If the production line is set it won't stop. Ever. The owner is rich. Forever. Sure - the owner and nobody else. The economy, the global order will change, collape or simply adapt to the situation. For sure they will loose. Many people will loose. War may be ahead. So yes, anti-business stuff, but not for the inventor.
This only applies to the initial stages of development of the technology. In the long run it's self-destructive as business and current businesses know that, they are not stupid.
As for replicating it, I already said, no way before a proper, convincing demonstration id carried out. Enough is enough.
I wonder if there more to the Perendev similarity then meets the
eye? Perhaps Mike Brady knew his time was up and so turned his
motor over to someone else to propagate the scam. It does seem
that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.
:S:MarkSCoffman
QuoteIt does seem that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.
Embarrassing fanfare episodes such as the "mylowvian" debacle have done much to prove the huge lack of hands on training that exists throughout the field of FE research. The fact that the 'perendev' and Yildiz motors are so close to a solution without (apparently) breaking through, says much. It also highlights the pressures (self induced and/or otherwise) that these emotionally invested researchers endure. Those who have spent umpteen hours of research, and know they are close, will often try and recoup something for their loss....at the expense of others, robbing Peter to pay Paul and hoping to make up for the black eye by breaking through. Others, jaded and broken, are down on the world enough to engage in such activities which are all too common these days.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".....true enough.
TS
He takes it apart at the end, it's just another pretty looking plastic cylinder with embedded magnets. It by definition does not work it's a scam.
QuoteIt by definition does not work it's a scam.
So was Einstein, what else is new....
TS
Here's something to lighten the mood...
Are these two related?
Probably not, but Leno's probably as good a pipeline as any for the successful researcher. I'd trust him over most, as he is properly motivated toward revitalizing both Transpo and Energy sectors.
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/electric/aptera-electric-car/
TS
Quote from: mscoffman on April 27, 2010, 08:10:13 PM
I wonder if there more to the Perendev similarity then meets the
eye? Perhaps Mike Brady knew his time was up and so turned his
motor over to someone else to propagate the scam. It does seem
that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.
:S:MarkSCoffman
It doesn't really look like Perendev for me. There are three sets of magnets. Three rings. In Perendev there are only two. Here the whole construction looks more like a magnetic bearing.
I wanna know what kind of hammer he used to whack the device to start it, if and when that detail is let known, I'm, gonna get one and just whack the fuck out of everything just to see if it keeps spinning. It just may be a magical hammer. No?
Is there any video where he shows how to stop his motor?
I wonder if he whacks it by the same hammer in another angle?
If so, then it might just be a simple electrical switch in disguise as mechanical!
What is the longest run time so far? Is there any reports on this?
The closed bottom section could easily fit the batteries needed for shorter runs!
Quote
Is there any video where he shows how to stop his ?
I wonder if he whacks it by the same hammer in another angle?
If so, then it might just be a simple electrical switch in disguise as mechanical!
What is the longest so far? Is there any reports on this?
The closed bottom section could easily fit the needed for shorter runs!
Yes, one year before in Einhoven Holland. Indeed he hammers it back to stop and secures a screw for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeHXTnEddA4
Hmmm...
It is a big round enclosure with a shaft comming out...could have a big flywheel in it.
What if it is indeed just a demonstrator for a magnetic bearing and no motor at all?!
Isn't that what a good bearing is for: to keep the friction as low as possible.
If it is a magnetic bearing and the friction of this is about zero then this thing would never stop!
But as soon as you put a load on it, it would stop very fast...
So no friction, no load -> "just" running on unity.
Sorry guys.
This small one can provide wind to power a 120W wind turbine .. MORE THEN INUF I SAY .. Imagine a 10 m x 10 m Magnet Motor in a big wind tunel ... I can power a very big wind turbine in an area that wind maibe dosent blow at all ... Just imagine everithing scaled up ... 100 times biger 100 times more wind produse ... so 120x100 - 12000W... 12KW ... stil is more then inuf if you can imagine you have constant 12kw 24/7.
Quote from: FatChance!!! on April 29, 2010, 02:18:07 AM
What is the longest run time so far? Is there any reports on this?
In 2005 a motor from this inventor was tested for 5 hours
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
In Eindhoven I did not measure how long it ran, it was restarted couple of times during one hour demo. I would say longest was 20minutes. I did not notice any change in motor sound while running.
I tried but could not stop it by holding motor axle. It slows down but soon your flesh on hand starts to burn. Motor was completely cold on touch, just axle was warm but it could be just my confused hand. I asked via translator how much it cost to make such prototype, 50kâ,¬. Also somebody asked about wires on the front and back side, he said they are used to balance motor during build. Inventor even connected voltmeter to them with motor running, voltmeter showed 0V all times. I think I posted a photo with him holding voltmeter.
In Delft demo sound of motor in second part of video is different. Can this be caused by different position of camera? Its a pity nobody else posted extra photos on internet from this event.
The motor is likely a hybrid of several existing concepts and possibly makes use of ultracaps in order to extend as many charge/release cycles as possible before running down. It is possible that the statement by one of the Delft observers that 'we are getting close' is referencing the recent increases in efficiency via these novel 'field change' attempts at circumventing Lenz's 'law'.
TS
If looking at the scenario from a potential scammer's point of view, and assuming that he is using hidden batteries and an efficient electrical motor,
there are three things one has to do not to get exposed.
1. Keeping the rotor in a locked mode when not in action.
2. Making it possible to engage the electric switch simultaneously with releasing the brake, as well as when applying the brake.
3. Making sure that the brake is engaged as long as the official disassembly of the stators is taking place, to insure that the
rotor "magnets" does not reveal their non magnetic properties, or that it does not reveal any transmission between electrical motor and rotor.
Mr.Yildiz's odd activity when starting the magnet motor seem to me a little overplayed.
Why not just disengaging a simple fully visual shaft brake when starting the motor?
Repelling magnets held in stasis for a few hours won't harm them a bit.
This in combination with not displaying the bottom part of the motor makes me rather suspicious.
What is certain is the total absence of convincing and scientifically professional manners in a historical demonstration like this.
Would really like to say thumbs up, but they keep turning down.
Gwandau
Or, conversely, it could be that since the waters are so murky these days, he chose to play the 'crypto-key' "card" to avoid tainted associations or arouse unfounded suspicions based on the littany of former fiascos in the mix.
Having seen the patent info, and his models, I believe that he is a serious researcher who is obviously on some of the right tracks.
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 29, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
Or, conversely, it could be that since the waters are so murky these days, he chose to play the 'crypto-key' "card" to avoid tainted associations or arouse unfounded suspicions based on the littany of former fiascos in the mix.
Having seen the patent info, and his A, I believe that he is a serious researcher who is obviously on some of the right tracks.
TS
Former fiascos in the mix? What former fiascos? He's following the same very well known old trend of secretiveness every single scammer has shown. That's the real association coming across from his behavior. He may or may not be a fraudster but he certainly is behaving as such.
QuoteHe may or may not be a fraudster but he certainly is behaving as such.
Hmmm....might be why he's still alive.
Bird's of a feather and all that.....
All you can convict him on at this point, is being guilty of being human. You could try suing him, maybe?.....
::)
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 29, 2010, 10:00:57 PM
Hmmm....might be why he's still alive.
Bird's of a feather and all that.....
All you can convict him on at this point, is being guilty of being human. You could try suing him, maybe?.....
::)
TS
Hope you're not trying to tell me you can excuse any crook because of him being human. People do sue crooks, you know.
QuotePeople do sue crooks, you know
If he has gone to the dark side, his victims may get the chance.
Unless you guys on the tainted jury pool decide to go all minority report on the guy.
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 30, 2010, 12:01:27 AM
If he has gone to the dark side, his victims may get the chance.
Unless you guys on the tainted jury pool decide to go all minority report on the guy.
TS
Minority report is irrelevant here. What is relevant is his behavior and, like I said, it has all the signatures of a fraudster that we've seen before. He may or may not be a fraudster but this is how his actions make him appear.
QuoteMinority report is irrelevant here
I find that 'here' too, is also often irrelevant. But such is life.
The FE field seems to be caught in some temoral causality loop....
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on April 30, 2010, 12:38:13 AM
I find that 'here' too, is also often irrelevant. But such is life.
The FE field seems to be caught in some temoral causality loop....
TS
And, who's to blame for that? Don't blame the victims.
QuoteAnd, who's to blame for that? Don't blame the victims.
LOL
Your playing free energy field marshall is also irrelevant here.
I don't blame the victims, whomever they may be. I'm sure some are blaming themselves enough as it is.
Even if Yildiz laid it all on the line, revealing a true FE device, that too would remain irrelevant. Until and unless TPTB decided to use their media whores to make it relevant. And even then it's relevancy, such as it is, would be short lived.
Relevancy is soooo overrated these days.
Peace,
TS
QuoteEven if Yildiz laid it all on the line, revealing a true FE device, that too would remain irrelevant.
On the contrary, that'll be the only relevant course he should take. Especially providing for thousands to reproduce it promptly. Watch then the powers that be, twitching helplessly.
QuoteWatch then the powers that be, twitching helplessly.
TPTB 'twitching helplessly' over the proliferation of FE?
I'm not into drugs, never have been.....
But I'll have what he's having. It would take something really far out to put me into such a pure state of naïveté.....
Respectfully,
TS
Okay, let´s come back to more technical discussions please.
I just received an answer from Mr. Duarte.
He wrote me:
Dear Mr. Hartmann,
The embodiment of the invention of Mr. Yildiz, as demonstrated at the TU Delft on April 20th, presents quite peculiar characteristics. The stator of the machine is composed of 12 segments, 7 of them have been opened and offered to the audience for inspection after the machine had been in operation for about 20 minutes. It should be noticed that the audience, not the inventor, had requested to stop operation in order to proceed with the inspection of the internal parts.
All the exposed segments are made of aluminum or plastic, where pieces of permanent magnet in different shapes have been inserted. The contents of some of the remaining 5 segments are not yet protected by patents, and it is up to a future investor to decide whether or not to do so.
After removing the 7 segments from the stator, it was possible to see the external surface of the rotor inside in the machine. The rotor is made of aluminum, where also small magnets are fixed in holes. It is remarkable that, when the machine is in operation, this metallic cylinder rotates at about 2000 rpm in the close proximity of the strong stator magnets without noticeable heat dissipation. Strange, because we would expect the induction and circulation of significant eddy currents in the aluminum. Isn’t nice that all the inspected segments and the rotor were not hot after opening the machine? Only a slight temperature increase has been perceived in the neighborhood of the mechanical bearings. In fact, in order to rotate the metallic cylinder at this speed, so in the proximity of the stationary magnets, a substantial amount of power would be required.
If it were the case of hiding a battery somewhere in the remaining closed parts, from an energetic point of view I would prefer to construct the rotor with other materials, but not with metal.
A fan was connected at the extremity of the rotor. All together, we have seen then a ventilator in operation at the exterior of the machine, together with an “eddy current damper†at the interior. This is really an unusual combination that requires not just a little bit of energy to keep the cylinder rotating!
Furthermore, it should be noticed that the remaining closed segments in the stator are not symmetrically located around the rotor. In case of hiding a battery in these parts, it is also imperative to use semiconductors switches in quite efficient power electronic circuits, for the purpose of producing high-intensity pulsating currents through different windings (again heat dissipation, what is not favorable for hidden electronics). The pulsating currents are a necessary condition to create a pulsating magnetic field that would cross the air gap between stator and rotor, allowing by this way the rotor to maintain its rotation. While producing torque, a pulsating magnetic field would also induce strong eddy currents in the rotor, on top of the previously described “damper†effect, and so on... Really, even for a skilled engineer the implementation of all these sophisticated circuits does not make any sense.
At this moment, the inventor is in negotiations with possible investors. Let’s hoop they will reach an agreement this time. Then the machine will be open, and we will have a simpler explanation on how the apparatus works, because, with batteries inside, it is hard to figure it out.
Do you agree that, although the machine has not yet been fully open for inspection, the demonstration has shown a few points that do deserve some attention?
Sincerely yours,
Jorge Duarte / Technische Universiteit Eindhoven
Thanks, Stefan, for all your effort to get to the bottom of all this. Could you please ask Dr. Duarte if he himself knows the real workings of the machine and is fully convinced that it's an OU machine by exactly knowing how it works or he is left as we all are with all kinds of suppositions and logical twists?
In these negotiations with investors, is Yildiz showing them the details as to how the device exactly works or tries to extract money from them by just showing them telltale signs that it it's supposed to work?
@hartiberlin. Did you questioned the decreasing rpm, when you contacted the guy?
So Stefan ..
Is this invention making the Perendev more credible ??? And from what i`m seeing Aluminium sems to be a good Magnetic Field isolator .. The thing that makes me wonder is that when they took it apart the aluminium parts cuted at 45 grades had magnets on each side ...
I have tested the rotor principle of Yildiz according to his patent claim, with an ascending row of stator magnets inside and a linear row outside in a set-up of 9:14:17 for inner stator, rotor and outer stator. De rotor magnets were 10 degrees out of alignment. The result was like with the Perendev thing. No tendency for rotation, rather a good brake than a good motor. So according to this test his patent claim seems to be bullshit to impress investors. Possibly a scammer indeed.
Below are two images of his stators and one graphically enhanced image of the rotor.
It seems to me that Mr. Yildiz patent claim does not in any way correspond to the magnet geometry shown at his last demonstration.
Several things are for sure in this matter.
Mr Yildiz has a history of non working OU devices in his trail and
Germany has a penalty on his arrest, not so good for credibility.
This slimy guy J.L. Duarte always seems to be around (since long) when
Yildiz is performing his tricks and he always takes care of questions.
The motor is never fully disassembled.
There has never been any dynamometer test for extended times.
The magnetic arrangement is a fools arrangement. It will not work.
If I'm wrong here and motor is tested and found OU I will deeply apologize.
Quote
Several things are for sure in this matter.
Mr Yildiz has a history of non working OU devices in his trail and
has a penalty on his arrest, not so good for credibility.
This slimy guy J.L. Duarte always seems to be around (since long) when
Yildiz is his tricks and he always takes care of questions.
The is never fully assembled.
There has never been any dynamometer test for extended times.
The magnetic arrangement is a fools arrangement. It will not .
If I'm wrong here and motor is tested and found OU I will deeply apologize.
Me too, for one thing is sure, if he has OU in his hands he does not disclose it with his patent claim. The demonstration indeed shows another set-up as I said before. So without the plans we can't replicate it, and thus till we can it is all magic.
::)
following this topic....so it´s end of may....any news about this breathtaking invention ?
8)
I found and uploaded the older BSMH device videos
from Yildiz to my youtube account over here.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=overunitydotcom#g/u
That was also a claimed free energy device with some
kind of motor/generator in a box, but the tests came out, that
the 12 Volts supply voltage dropped.
So there was probably a 12 Volts car battery hidden in the alubox I guess.
Regards, Stefan.
@Stefan
I remember when i first saw the BSMH device I did some follow up. I quickly came to a conclusion it was a scam. he has recently used the same formula of media hype and trying to get credability of association. Like demonstrating it a university does not mean that it is endorsed by such an institution.
I feel for anyone who has wasted their time or money on the pursuit of this.
Kind Regards
Mark
I hope this thread isn't dead. Are there any recent developments? Any where on the web?
I can't find any new material on this motor. John
Quote from: JohnPK on July 17, 2010, 07:49:23 AM
I hope this thread isn't dead. Are there any recent developments? Any where on the web?
I can't find any new material on this motor. John
The reason is simple - it was a scam...
That doesn't surprise me too much, But when was this discovered? I thought I was following this thread pretty close. How did he pull off the scam? Where were the batteries? Where was the motor? How was it coupled to the rotor? Who determined it was a scam? John.
Scam update? http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Muammer_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor
SOOOOOO.......was there a link to proof of scam? I'm Sorry, I' m not the most computer literate, But I didn't see any proof of scam on this link. ( I've been watching this page every day) Did somebody find batteries? Where exactly is the scam? I would really like to learn where these scams are just so I don't get my hopes up. I'm sure you understand. Thanks, John
Quote from: Low-Q on July 17, 2010, 05:34:36 PM
The reason is simple - it was a scam...
Simply don't say a word if you know nothing about the subject, ok ? There is no info about this to be a scam anywhere, so you have no right to say so !
Me and another user ran a sound analysis of the video and revealed some critical issues. The motor which seams to have constant speed, did actually dropped. The fan that was mounted was reversed - probably to reduce load and expand running time. The motor was never fully disassambled, the inventor has been scamming before. Many things that point in a direction of a classical scam, and the guy and his fellow smells quite fishy... How the story continued from there, I don't know. Just that I know a motor that is based on magnets cannot work is the most obvious evidence this is a scam (making money out of something you cannot deliver)
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on July 19, 2010, 03:16:09 AM
Me and another user ran a sound analysis of the video and revealed some critical issues. The motor which seams to have constant speed, did actually dropped. The fan that was mounted was reversed - probably to reduce load and expand running time. The motor was never fully disassambled, the inventor has been scamming before. Many things that point in a direction of a classical scam, and the guy and his fellow smells quite fishy... How the story continued from there, I don't know. Just that I know a motor that is based on magnets cannot work is the most obvious evidence this is a scam (making money out of something you cannot deliver)
Vidar
I tested his suggestion of magnetic misalignment of an inner and an outer stator (see previous posts). It was like with the Perendev claim: more a brake than an engine. No sign of selfrunning whatsoever.
I have schematic for motor generator.
Need to couple to SSG or Rodin coil type setup to charge Battery.
Quote from: hidave on October 28, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
I have schematic for motor generator.
Need to couple to SSG or Rodin coil type setup to charge Battery.
Have you actually built and tested your "schematic" by yourself to verify the functionality?
Quote from: hidave on October 28, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
I have schematic for motor generator.
Need to couple to SSG or Rodin coil type setup to charge Battery.
It reminds me of the so-called srcew-motor design and the recent Luis Tonos probable scam. The first never worked in replication and the second most probably neither. Moreover this is not related to Yildiz at all and should be posted at a separate thread for serious review.
The screw motor design:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Screw-Magnet_Motor
The probable Tonos-scam: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Luis_Tonos_%28LT%29_Magnet_Motor
Quote from: AnandAadhar on October 29, 2010, 03:35:54 AM
It reminds me of the so-called srcew-motor design and the recent Luis Tonos probable scam. The first never worked in replication and the second most probably neither. Moreover this is not related to Yildiz at all and should be posted at a separate thread for serious review.
The screw motor design:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Screw-Magnet_Motor
The probable Tonos-scam: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Luis_Tonos_%28LT%29_Magnet_Motor
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.
If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.
Quote from: hidave on October 29, 2010, 04:58:34 AM
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.
If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.
Stirling Allen of Peswiki takes the side of the staunch believer. He does no replications checking himself in this case. He has a point that belief in this takes you farther than disbelief. But all the tiresome trials he does not perform. Nor do I do them all. Just a test of principle seemed enough to me, but waterproof that is not. Generally I have little confidence if investors are attracted before any formal confirmation has been accomplished in the form of a replication or otherwise. And there are more criteria to expose scammers. Yildiz certainly scores bad on many of these criteria. But still another attempt to replicate his suggestion might strengthen the case against him. The chance of a succesful replication in his case I guess is smaller than 1%, unless you are a scammer yourself of course.
Quote from: Cherryman on March 08, 2010, 12:13:52 PM
Hoax or not.. As long as they can't tax the use; they powers that be (governments etc) will not allow it to become public available.
Thats why we need open source, unstoppable, wide spread designs.
Totally agree!
Simple question:
"How many kinds of metals have been used to build this engine, and what are these metals."
??? ::)
PS. Sorry for that simple question, but I don't have time now to search this info, and I am sure that somebody from you knows.
Many thanks for answer :)
Quote from: hidave on October 29, 2010, 04:58:34 AM
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.
If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.
waiting ... and luck yet?
Yip I hae seen dozens of perminant magnet motors and they dont seem to hold ground.
A magnet only motor i dont think wil work but with shielding it may be possible.
I personally love magnets and hope we can have a working prototype someday and I believe the only way to
get rid of the sceptics is shoe your work to all and replicate sont try and make money out of it.
D
New European university 30 day test of the Yildiz magnet motor coming very soon.
http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/
Quick analysis of the Yildiz magnet motor based on his patent diagram page 72:
The radially unbalanced "squeeze" effect.
The outermost ring of magnets have S pole facing inwards against the middle ring of magnets S pole such that this "hyper-repulsion" results in the flux of N pole of the middle ring of magnets extending even further towards the innermost rotor of magnets. The increases the repulsion effect (but typically also takes a toll on common magnets "strength" or coercivity).
Based on this design it would not be possible to use ceramic magnets, only rare earth magnets could withstand this type of punishment for long.
Orientation or angle: Notice that each of the middle ring of magnets is "cocked" slightly so that a zone exists with effecively greater distance from the innermost rotor magnets (I colored yellow).
As we know, for dipole magnets this close and with an aspect ratio this symmetrical - - - the amount of flux present is calculated as the inverse cube of the distance, and in this case, the overall combined effect of this inverse cube of the distance is huge.
Distance G3 is larger than distance G1.
The rotor magnets are desperately seeking a way out from the repulsion and as the rotor turns they each find a nanosecond relief in that little yellow "drop off the cliff" (distance G3) they find in each magnet segment of the middle ring of magnets.
Because there are air gaps between magnet segments I am curious about detrimental flux leakage sneaking through the air gaps robbing the device of overall efficiency.
Not shown by the diagram, but in a real life device I would suggest there is substantial importance in the exact positioning of the S poles of the outermost ring of magnets with regard to the middle ring of magnets.
I predict that it would not be wise to position the S pole of the outermost ring of magnets so it is predominately pointing into an air gap, and that there is an importance on whether the S facing poles are placed facing predominately on the right side - - - or the left side - - - of each of the middle magnet S poles.
Depending on the distances between each ring of magnets:
1) Assembly requires skill and special jigs: For example, it could be "very" difficult to insert the rotor into the finished motor assembly.
2) In this type design, the degree of "squeezing" based on the distances between the various rings of magnets is proportional to the amount of rotational energy extracted, and is proportional to the strain put on the magnets which causes them to loose a portion of their "strength" or coercivity.
If I was a university researcher asked to evaluate this design I would be very keen on testing it's long term stability - - or "drop off" in performance under load over a long period of time.
Mr. Yildiz claims over 40 to 46 working designs.
What if he submits a very "de-tuned" version for university testing but then markets a very "hot" design that has a much shorter lifespan ?
Expect again some non conclusive data...
Yilmiz has a long bad track record...
Don´t invest any money !
Hi Sarbot99,
Welcome to the forum.
I don't know much about Yildiz's motor but on the building aspect it's getting easier to verify these models. With 3D printing you can get proper angles and curves made. If you want a specific 22.25 degree curve at certain point you can make it. If you have the blueprints it could be built fast.
I attached a picture of my non functioning 3D model based on Japanese magnet motor patent(long outside magnets are removed in picture). It looked interesting the way it used attraction/repulsion to pull/push from pole to pole with offset magnets but I could not get this print to work. Magnets are still static and like to find balance. The Lego's are there so I don't have to build extra support structures when rapid prototyping. It took less than four hours to model/print/build this design.
It does spin better without the magnets. :)
Build and learn.
To avoid severe "cogging" I think you will find that the two magnet counts must be "relatively prime"..... that is, like the second sketch with 8 magnets outside but 7 magnets inside, no common factors. The first sketch with 8 and 8 will likely "lock up" hard.
Quote from: hartiberlin on January 05, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Expect again some non conclusive data...
Yilmiz has a long bad track record...
Don´t invest any money !
I've heard a lot of folks say this same thing about a long bad track record, but I cannot find any specific details when I search the internet.
Would you be kind enough to post some specific links that I can read about this guys track record ?
Although there is a lot of discussion about Yildiz motor really working or not, for myself I cannot believe the assertion of this Dutch Assistant professor that the huge masses of aluminum interacting with these large neo magnets do not produce any eddy currents - - this is totally lunacy. I have experienced serious eddy current braking from much smaller aluminum mass and neo magnets.
But again, I am curious why Yildiz would submit his device to 30 days test if it would likely be exposed as a scam ? Supposedly he has 5 of the 12 stator sectors as "blackbox" - - not revealed in patent docs, remaining 7 stator sectors are magnets (hopefully these professors are clever enough to put it under constant serious load for all 30 days and also X-ray it from all angles).
Certainly the deal must include full examination of the "black box" stator sectors - - as these are the most obvious components where batteries or other cheats could be placed . . . as I understand potential investors have insisted on this examination and I'm sure they will never except the "blackbox" portion not being fully revealed.
Thanks in advance.
Hi TinselKoala,
Thank you for your input. The model was based off the second one 8/7. The outside magnets were long 1.5" to try to minimize the influence of the south pole. Still no dice.
Why was the simpler, shorter test postponed, with the assertion that this longer test would be taking place "soon"? Where did the information that there was to be this longer test come from? Did it come from the University which will be doing the testing, or from Yildiz?
What University will be doing the testing? Has anyone asked them if they know anything about it?
Don't you remember Rossi and the U of Bologna? I seriously doubt that there will be any university-sponsored or approved 30 day testing performed with a Yildiz device.
Further.... if there are actually in existence all those "working" prototypes..... what is the point of this promised future test? Just take 5 or ten of these prototypes and set them up in glass cases in a shopping mall somewhere and let them run for a few days. Or better yet..... let Yildiz show proof that Yildiz's home is not connected to the local electric grid, but is powered by a generator spun by one of his devices.
1 - Not once he opens the bottom half of the machine in a live audience ( or any other public video that I could find ), which has more than enough space to conceal an electric motor and batteries, even though he claims to have a pending patent ( for how long now? ) which would not be any obstacle to show the complete motor disassambled in public.
2 - According to the pictures in his website, the machine is based on a spiral orientation ( http://www.bsmhturk.com/galeri.php ) which we all know by now that never works and some of the pictures really resemble the perendev motor.
3 - In each video, where the machine has a long running time, you can detect a power runout by comparing the sound at start and at the end of its running time, you don't even need any special programs, your ears will do just fine ( 3:12 | 6:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU ).
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially? Since it starts with such a tremendous force and speed from start why does it loose power overtime? Don't quote his word on the "pickup coils" that regulate rpm, any normal electric engineer knows that those are useless without a electronic controller to regulate it accordingly.
5 - Not once his machine is recorded live without the fan attached to the main shaft, this is a great way to suppress the electric motor noise.
6 - The "tests" that were suppose to occur during last January are still yet to see daylight or even make "big news" in the media world.
7 - This whole theater resembles a lot a very late scheme, if you all remember this previous "legit" inventor aswell as I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amb08N05_Ww
It's simple, got a pending patent and it really is a legit OU invention? Then you have nothing to hide, not even half of the machine. If you do hide then you are yelling "scheme" all over the place.
I've been following this in Pesn, and the announcement in Nexus for the January tests was followed by a string of emails from his assistant making little niggles about the delays and announcement the parts were now on their way to the anonymous university. Then I waited, and waited, and instead of a message about their arrival (they were being sent in separate bits to stop them being intercepted and stolen in full) they've now changed tack saying they've been invited to take it to the Geneva exhibition in April. Not a squeak on the university test and nothing mentioned on this thread either which surprised me considering how closely it has been followed over there.
Unlike the other kit floating around presently I worked out this rough design myself over 30 years ago but not being technically minded kept it as a theory as I don't have the ability or knowledge to convert it to a working model, but obviously anyone putting two magnets together pole to pole will see them fly apart. Set them in a circle to send the movement sideways rather than forwards, and it will power a motor until the magnetism wears off. Having seen the diagram here that appears to be the general construction, and I am amazed if it is as obvious as that we haven't had them for a century or more already. And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two. But if anyone knows where the tests have vanished to and why the emails have dried up on pesn please enlighten us.
You are dreaming in technicolor Mr. Logic. All the signs point to Yildiz being a fake.
QuoteAnd it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two.
That's a ridiculous statement, just like your statement about a magnet motor running until the "magnetism wears off." Any qualified engineer knows that a magnet motor based only on magnets is impossible. You can read dozens if not hundreds of threads on this and other forums about honest researchers failing to make a magnet motor after months and months of trying. You can also read on this and other forums about supposedly true magnet motors being discovered as fakes. The fakers are either pranksters or con artists looking to steal money from people.
I am telling to the absolute truth. Welcome to the real world.
MileHigh
Quote from: Mr Logic on March 04, 2013, 10:50:29 PM
I've been following this in Pesn, and the announcement in Nexus for the January tests was followed by a string of emails from his assistant making little niggles about the delays and announcement the parts were now on their way to the anonymous university. Then I waited, and waited, and instead of a message about their arrival (they were being sent in separate bits to stop them being intercepted and stolen in full) they've now changed tack saying they've been invited to take it to the Geneva exhibition in April. Not a squeak on the university test and nothing mentioned on this thread either which surprised me considering how closely it has been followed over there.
Unlike the other kit floating around presently I worked out this rough design myself over 30 years ago but not being technically minded kept it as a theory as I don't have the ability or knowledge to convert it to a working model, but obviously anyone putting two magnets together pole to pole will see them fly apart. Set them in a circle to send the movement sideways rather than forwards, and it will power a motor until the magnetism wears off. Having seen the diagram here that appears to be the general construction, and I am amazed if it is as obvious as that we haven't had them for a century or more already. And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two. But if anyone knows where the tests have vanished to and why the emails have dried up on pesn please enlighten us.
You left out the "Sticky Spot" in saying hoe easy this is. ALL magnet "motors" have them. Get rid of that and you will have one that actually runs. No one has done that yet to my knowledge.
Bill
i have a Question...
thank you for your input "dreamthinkbuild"
i have been thinking about a simular design by using perminent magnets on the innternal wheel but what would happen if you used electro magnets on the outer field and collect the back emf fron the collapsing field and loop the excess voltage back to a battery, using john bedini's circuit for back emf collection prosses the insueing voltage should be enough to sustain the electromagnet driving force indeffinatly
http://pesn.com/2013/03/11/9602287_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor--Turning_to_Public_Instead_of_Universities_for_First_Major_Validation/
It appears Yildiz will be taking part at the Geneva Inventors Expo this April (14-16), can't wait to see how this will unveil, what excuse he will use to avoid being exposed.
I had an answer from Halil TURKMEN.
Quote
(Halil is Mr. Yildiz' associate)
By Halil TURKMEN
for Pure Energy Systems News
March 9, 2013
Muammer YILDIZ has been working on his invention for 33 years.
During this long period, he has faced so many difficulties. And thanks to
GOD, he is still alive and keeps on going, till the end, for his
inventions, in order to serve the people with his projects.
As you can imagine easily, there is a huge interest of people, companies,
governments, investors so on. But the main problem is that, more than 90%
of these are having masks on their faces. They don't show their real faces
and intentions till the last moment.
All these years gave YILDIZ the experience to see the faces behind the
masks. But he believes that one day, he will be able to work with the
people who are 100% honest.
It's not a problem of money. Because YILDIZ never asks money for himself.
He is the inventor, but he doesn't accept money from anyone for his
pocket. He needs the money to pay to WIPO, to pay to translators, lawyers,
material shops, etc. These are the amounts that are asked by the
professionals from him. He always says: "I am not a scientist, engineer,
financialist or a lawyer... I am just an inventor... I need professional help
to improve this technology, make it produced all over the world, make it
possible to be used by all world's population; and all I need fordoing
this, is the loyalty of the people."
He believes in GOD. He prays to GOD every time and he thinks that this
invention is a gift from GOD, given to him. And he tries to give this gift
to all the people. The owner is GOD, we are just users.
The 30 day tests were offered by the university professors. If not, we
would be able to do the 3 day tests in Izmir, in January 2013. And we
wouldn't face the negative comments till today.
YILDIZ accepted the requests of the university to make the tests in
Europe, instead of Turkiye. And he also accepted the duration of 30 days,
instead of 3 days. But the university (till now) didn't give the exact
date to make the start. And because of this reason, we still have to face
the negative comments.
As we have spoken to you on Skype, the university has some additional
requests that are not acceptable. And we now see clearly that the
university wants to delay the tests. Maybe they are not 100% free. Maybe
they have fear or somebody or something. Or maybe they have other
intentions, aims that they didn't say before.
Now, we have 30 days till the expo in Geneva. We are invited there by the
government. And with God's permit, we will be there. It won't be a
laboratory environment but people will have the opportunity to see him and
his invention. Till the expo, it may not be possible to have a university
test; but as I mentioned above, it was not because of us, but because of
the university.
As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!
We do not offend anyone. We don't want to. If not, it would be so easy to
announce the names of the companies or the people, or the universities who
tried to negotiate till now.
If we had the aim to offend the university, we could pronounce the name of
the university. We didn't even pronounce the city or the country of the
university. If not, all the professors, and their families would be under
pressure of the media, the companies and the people. Even in their daily
lives, or on the net etc. We didn't do it. Because it is not the goal.
The goal is FREEDOM; for YILDIZ, for us, for everyone in the world. To
change the world all together, in a better way. Save the environment, save
our children's future, and have HEAVEN here on earth. Because of this
goal, we are now living in Hellish conditions. I see many devils around.
But I am sure that I will be enough against them, even being alone.
Like YILDIZ, I am not a scientist, nor an engineer. I am an architect. I
work voluntarily for this project. My aim is to use his inventions for the
handicapped people, for the kids and the old people; so it means for all
the people. Because we are all potentially handicapped. We have so many
futuristic projects with YILDIZ, and the magnetic motor is just the
beginning. We see that some of the people are not ready even for the
magnetic motor, then it is better not to announce the other projects for
now; not yet. If not, most of the people may think that we are crazy. I
assure you that I am crazier than they can imagine. But I am also sure
that, they will go crazy when they will be able to see his other projects
with their own eyes.
I receive hundreds of messages everyday. And I am not capable to answer
all of them on time. Since 2010 (after seeing the motor for the first time
at Mr. YILDIZ's house) all my phone calls are listened and recorded. My
internet connection is under control. My house is under observation. These
are normal. I don't comment negatively. Everybody's doing his/her job.
Even the listeners, even the observers are paid for doing their jobs. The
important point is that, every person has the good part and the bad part
inside. And the aim is to live with the good part; keep the good part
alive. I try to do this way. When I receive the negative comments, I feel
bad. Because I am sure of the invention; I am sure of myself; but some
people are having problems in themselves and try to offend us. With
negative comments, they give harm to the feelings of the other people.
They don't have this right. It's not freedom. I was sick for the last 3
days, and I couldn't look at the internet during these days. After this
period I see that the net is full of messages and they think that I am
here, seeing the messages but not answering them. The truth is, I am also
a human being. I must help to my son who is 7 years old, my wife who is
pregnant, and my parents who are 68 and 77, and at the same time YILDIZ.
Since August 30th I am unemployed, and I have to work for my family using
home-office, in order to pay our bills etc. I enjoy spending my time for
BSMH project, but in 3 years, I lost the health of my eyes. They don't let
me to work so much. After 1-2 hours, I feel terrible, and I cannot
continue to work.
After the expo, I am sure that we can build up a professional organization
as BSMH Company, here in Izmir. And I will be able to share this job with
the professionals. Our aim is to set Mr. YILDIZ totally free in his
laboratory, for 24 hours, in order to work for his projects.
In these days he is so busy because of the phone calls and the messages
that he receives from everyone (the governments, investors, companies,
banks etc) His job must not be this. He is the inventor, and he must work
freely to develop his inventions. The rest must be done by the
professionals. In the correct way; not in a way that will harm the
project, or the people.
Our personal aim, till the expo in Geneva, is to apply to WIPO, getting
the PCT for the "Starter, Controller, and Changer" parts of the motor (the
parts that weren't patented before). In these days, we are busy solving
the financial problems to make these applications. If we can, we may take
a good deep sleep after all those years. The technical tests are so easy
to pass, but I think some people are not able to pass the "patience test"
of GOD, during this period.
I want to thank everyone who is sending good wishes, collaboration offers,
offers of help, and so on. Please excuse me, that I cannot respond to
every message on time (hundreds of them everyday). I will try to find a
solution to inform all the people daily. And we hope to set up a better
web page that is useful for the handicapped people.
Thanks again to everyone. We will do it all together.
Yours, Halil
Quotepeople will have the opportunity to see him and his invention.
Sure they will but I bet that he won't open the machine at all to prove that it isn't a scam.
Quote
As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!
I am very curious to read that exact agreement, what exactly is being requested in it must be very shady like "the present witnesses may not at any time inspect the machine without the inventor's authorization nor conduct any tests that are not authorized by him or the responsible entities" so, you know, they end up only seeing half the machine (again) and unable to conduct proper tests to prove that it isn't a scam. Even I would deny conducting any tests under such conditions.
As I said before (only one thing I withdraw which is the coils that are used to limit the speed which I confused with electronic dyno limiters that I averiguated after checking the full machine declaration) the geneva expo will be his last card. If he attends it then it will be proven that it is either a scam or it isn't, if he makes an excuse and doesn't go (even after saying that their presence is confirmed) then the scam is proved.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 19, 2013, 11:44:03 PM
Sure they will but I bet that he won't open the machine at all to prove that it isn't a scam.
It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
You have to apply 5th Toltec agreement "Be skeptical but Listen!". it is easy to spread doubt and rumors on the Internet. It will be less easy to stop them.
I advice you to practice all the 5 agreements, we will have a better Internet and society.
If you look at this topic http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1605, at message N° 5 you will see that we have a member how will go in Geneva to see. Sorry its in French, but google can translate.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 19, 2013, 11:44:03 PM
I am very curious to read that exact agreement, what exactly is being requested
They just ask that the part which are not allready patented stay secret. For me that seems justified as these parts will depend of industry agreements diversity. I had mail contact with Delft professor and he was not frustrated at all by these restrictions, he understands the Yildiz point of view. And me too, even if I'd like to do one my-self. But if you look at Minato wheel, you will find a lot less usefull information than on the Yildiz, and the Minato is already a product, not a pdf like Johnson motor with old HDD magnets.
Hi DomiChi,
Why do you say the Minato wheel is already a product? Where is it sold, and for how much? Can you direct to a website?
Thanks, Gyula
The Minatomotor is used in supermarket in Japan for climatisation and/or ventilation. I have seen pictures and vidéos but I have not the link. Google can find that for you.
Quote from: DomiChi on March 20, 2013, 03:50:51 AM
It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
You have to apply 5th Toltec agreement "Be skeptical but Listen!". it is easy to spread doubt and rumors on the Internet. It will be less easy to stop them.
I advice you to practice all the 5 agreements, we will have a better Internet and society.
If you look at this topic http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1605, at message N° 5 you will see that we have a member how will go in Geneva to see. Sorry its in French, but google can translate.
Like I said, the agreement is to deny the testers the opportunity to REALLY check if there isn't any motor and batteries in the only part that is never opened. It has already been known that the machine is symmetric all around, what is the problem of showing the bottom half if it is exactly the same as the top one?
They could instead make an agreement stating that any part of the machine that is not yet pattented should not be disclosed to anyone else, so the testing team can actually verify that it is not a scam. Instead they make a shady agreement and that right there proves that it is a scam. No wonder why they refused to test it.
Tell that member to not waste his time, Yildiz will not let him see the bottom half of the machine or do anything worthwhile to clean the scam stamp.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 20, 2013, 11:11:52 PM
Tell that member to not waste his time, Yildiz will not let him see the bottom half of the machine or do anything worthwhile to clean the scam stamp.
I feel our member a lot more positive than you. It is not correct to emit rumor without having read all existing information, and not take the offered opportunity to see yourself.
If you had read everything existing, you have known that the not open part of the machine is the part motor/generator. It is normal that his system needs a minimum speed to be an OU motor. I experienced the same thing on my own experiences. The difference is later, if the engine slows down or not after disconnecting the battery. And it is not the interesting part for OU. It is enough to disconnect the battery.
Also read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf
You should apply at least the fifth and third agreement from the five Tolthec agreements: Be septic but listen + don't make Assumptions (http://www.toltecspirit.com/)
Have you seen the videos. Have you try to imagine the size of a battery necessary to launch the engine and continue to run this fan. Have you read all the Delft professor comments. unless you also deny this prof credibility. For that I need more technical facts from you.
I suggest that you read http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/ until the end. Example:
QuoteThat motor body will be 14 cm in diameter and about 21 cm long, and will be powering a 25 cm diameter fan. So do the math on how long it should run using any kind of known energy storage mechanism. I bet you will see two things: 1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishing, and 2) it won't be able to run for more than a few hours. So really, even one full day of demonstrating the technology running continuously should be more than enough to satisfy the scientists
But at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stopping
Quote
From http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf
it seems to be evident from the achieved results that the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor.
"It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom." -- Albert Einstein
What the Yildiz team has made to you that you want prejudice form them?
Me I just want to bye his 5kW motor, then I want that they accelerate the production process and not loose their time to justify them self.
QuoteIf you had read everything existing, you have known that the not open part of the machine is the part motor/generator. It is normal that his system needs a minimum speed to be an OU motor.
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.
QuoteHave you seen the videos. Have you try to imagine the size of a battery necessary to launch the engine and continue to run this fan.
There are very small and powerfull batteries nowadays.
Quote1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishing
It has already been proved in their video that the motor starts losing power.
QuoteBut at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stopping
Can't wait for that.
QuoteWhat the Yildiz team has made to you that you want prejudice form them?
Nothing at all, just telling how things are, maybe interested investors or buyers (like you)
might appreciate the skeptic observations done by other people. I don't even want to know how many investors have already fall for this kind of scam before and whished they could be warned.
Quote"It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom." -- Albert Einstein
I can also use quotes but it won't lead anywhere, unless the intent is only to discredit someone's skepticism or beliefs.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" ~Albert Einstein
"But magic can sometimes just be an illusion" ~Javan
"All scams include an enticement for someone to fall for the scam. Without an enticement, no one would fall for a scam. Many times scams are so obvious. Scams always start with an enticement of free money, free vacations, wealth, and power, but they are vague or do not mention specifically how you will get the objects of your desire. This has all the markings of a scam"
("Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel", Call Evil Good – The Lure Of Sweetness At No Cost)
"Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not" ~Beadle, E. R.
I really hope I am wrong, I really do but the scam history surrounding these kind of machines show a constant moto. If he has the patent pending for the so "miraculous" bottom half then he shouldn't be worried about showing it, if it is real then it will be approved, if it is not then it is a scam. I will be waiting for the other member review once geneva expo is over.
I will stop to answer you because I do not want to help you to propagate rumor or information base on nothing.
When J. Duart says: "it seems to be evident from the achieved results that the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor.", sorry, but I am a lot more confident to his temporary conclusion than yours. He has seen the engine and tested it. You, what have you do, apart propagate rumor?
Nederland universities ask more time to give an explanation from where the energy comes from (Zero point?), not to proof the fact that "the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor". It is a big step that university takes into account the zero point energy. And for that I am ready to wait, it can be an enormous step for the future, like transistors in the past. Perhaps I am too much positive for you but I prefer propagate that studies are pending in this way, than rumors which can stop Universities credits. You have to look http://youtu.be/1wQ4dSKDWVc. You bad rumors are worth than you think.
When you say "Can't wait for that.", you have to pass the patience test. In my long career I had to wait some projects during 4 years, and it was existing conventional technology. But you certainly miss this experience. If you cannot wait, perhaps can you avoid to gives wrong information. When you spray doubt, even if wrong and unfounded, this doubt will persist.
You write
Quote"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" ~Albert Einstein
Are you not human? E.T., divinity, avatar ?
You also write
QuoteThat is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor."
Do you know anything about magnetic vortex? His inner rotor is a screw which is going to create magnetic field for other layers. If you have another solution to create a rotating field than with motion, please let we know, I am very interesting.
And we will need electronic and electromagnetism to manage rotation speed. And I prefer that than a brake on shaft.
Do you also say that car engine is a SCAM? They also need to be electricly launch. But I am glad that I can use this SCAM. With a Yildiz to refill the tank it will be better and less SCAM (SCAM by taxes on carrburant).
:o What I am missing here is the simple proof of principle test for this Ylldiz claim. Evolved machines escape control, a simple replicable proof of principle does not. We should always depart from the most simple test possible. So where is the suggestion to set up a test to prove this right... I tried something like Yildiz my own way some time ago, but could not acquire any results. Of course I am an ignorant person in this great science, therefore I failed... but Yildiz is not I suppose, so why doesn't he take care of people willing to prove him right by replication? In order to be credible, people in support of Ylldiz should take care of this question. Saying, 'It only works in this evolved state' or 'Patent claims forbid this' outrules replications, restricts to mere outer controls of his model and makes it all magic. Nor can it tell us how he got this far.... where did he see the light of success shining in his process? Where is his research report if he wants to make some serious science? Maybe he doesn't...
Quote from: AnandAadhar on March 22, 2013, 05:53:56 AM
why doesn't he take care of people willing to prove him right by replication?
Why, is easy to understand. Give to somebody the way and it is him how will published and copyright the map. Look at that http://www.nuenergy.org/theoretical-self-sustaining-permanent-magnet-motor/. It is now Johnson and Minato how have put patent on another experimenter solution.
You are not allowed to sell something from a patent, but you can build one for you, if you can.
M.Yildiz has in plan to provide kit to make his motor. I will wait for that, because his conception his complex. And it is a kit that he will provide, not like Johnson motor where it is only an costly PDF. In France we have laws to protect us against non working products. And I have just to buy with my credit card to be refund if it is a SCAM. There is different levels of SCAM, yes it can work but you cannot build it yourself is also one (spécial parts, ... like in the saled Johnson PDF).
My short experience with magnetic motor is than even a very small change can make a magnetic wells which can create a non working cause. Then starting with prepare parts will limit that. But it will not be enough, if you look at the patent, M.Yildiz already suggests prefered adjustment.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 22, 2013, 12:11:40 AM
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.
Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
I you do not consider youself to be better than J. Duarte, you have to read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf. If you think that you are better, you have to say why?
@DomIchi:
You are incorrect -- or at least very highly misleading -- in your statements about "the Minato motor". Minato has several patents, and what is being used in Japanese industry is a fan motor design based on repulsively oriented magnets _and electromagnets_ . His design has some advantages over "normal" electric fan motors but is in no sense a "free energy" machine or a self runner or something with "COP > 1". Like all other motors used in industry everywhere, it needs a power supply of conventional nature.
Here on this forum when a "Minato Motor" is talked about, generally what is meant is the "free energy" self-sustaining, all-permanent-magnet motor design of Minato, supposedly with no external power supply. This design is very much NOT in use in Japan for anything but entertaining children, and as anyone who has done real research can tell you, only "works" when the driving stator magnets are hand-held by the experimenter... and are powered perfectly normally by the experimenter's inadvertent hand motions from trying to hold the stator still.
As far as Duarte is concerned.... the burden of proof is on the presenter of these theories, not upon his detractors. When Yildiz allows his motor claims to be truly properly tested and they are found to be true by independent and _complete_ examination, that is the time to start formulating-- and testing scientifically-- theories of its operation. Not before the phenomenon is even confirmed to exist.
I can make up all kinds of theories about why my invisible pink unicorns are able to fly so stealthily and bring me my groceries.... is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true, or are you just an Internet troll?
Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?
And you?
On free energy forum, I only see people only able to say that other projects are SCAM. But with nothing to let see, even a toy or a desktop thing staying animated during 4 days like M.Yildiz propose. M.Yildiz is far away
There is not only magnet or magnetism in OU energy, do you know Schauberger repulsine?
For now I was busy on vital energy then I make first my site on water memory and 5th dimension. As soon as I will have time to make something on my OU experiences, I will do it. But I am not in a hurry as it will be considered as SCAM, even if I do not want to sell anything.
Quoteis it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true
I never sayed it exists or not, i just like to see people beeing correct until Geneva Yildiz proof. Wait and see. If the Yildiz motor can run in the middle of a parking during 4 days without external electricity, for my need it is enough, and I will buy one of the first ones, if not too expensive. Having 4 days power without any noize, and no other power, it is a SCAM that I am ready to pay for this SCAM. Relaunching every 4 days is ok for me.
QuoteI can make up all kinds of theories about why my invisible pink unicorns are able to fly so stealthily and bring me my groceries.... is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true, or are you just an Internet troll?
If you plan to let us see, I come, and I will not open your invisible pink unicorns (Is it invisible or pink?). If it is invisible I do not come.
Quote from: DomiChi on March 22, 2013, 10:21:03 AM
Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
I you do not consider youself to be better than J. Duarte, you have to read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf. If you think that you are better, you have to say why?
I have seen his machine parts and the way it is all setup is a perendev variation with a simple spiral orientation, based on a scam from start already. Yildiz already invented a "miraculous" machine before (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/S9H49iWBUOI/AAAAAAAABXo/ld1fijnTgWo/s1600/yildiz-prs.jpg) and surprisingly it never got far nor any scientific evidence that it worked as he claimed were brought to public. J.Duarte already looks and sounds like someone that is trying to oversell a product that doesn't meet half the expectations that he tries to claim and brazillians were already part of many previous scams in this field. The man even avoids answering directly to hard-proof questions people ask by quoting and telling how ridicule people might be while facing such a OU concept machine, so sorry if I don't take the word of a brazillian that acts like a politician when he has no excuse to be.
I never said I was better (don't even know how you got that idea unless you are trying to ridicule me without argumenting the points that I have previously stated) but I am not gonna fall for the "people have to put their skepticism aside if they want to believe that it actually works" so blindly, the entire man smells like scam since even before this machine and so far his actions have not helped to enforce his claims.
You told me previously that I shouldn't make some claims without some proof and now I tell you this, I am not your postmail, there are very long lasting and powerfull batteries in these days and if you want to know which ones then go use google ffs.
There are many videos on the web showing how a small motor can have lots of power with very small batteries, I have tried to find one specific but I am having hard time. Others are stargate motors which make a small motor more powerfull with magnets on its sides.
Want another kind of evidence how yildiz might be a big time scammer afterall? Guess who already made a very VERY similar motor before and people found out it was a scammer afterall www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvO9XMBZ4DI
If you truly believe that what yildiz says is true then why are you arguing with me? You clearly do not need my words to doubt anything but I have got to say, you really sound alot like someone that works for yildiz and is trying to do what JDuarte does, saying "it works" because people are skeptics, even though there is absolutely no hard evidence that it does work.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 23, 2013, 04:51:07 AM
so sorry if I don't take the word of a brazillian that acts like a politician when he has no excuse to be.
The Duart how did the expertize is not Brasilian but Dutch, and he is professor in Delft University in Nederland.
why are you arguing with me? I am not arguing for Yildiz, but for better WEB forums. If Yildiz technology is a SCAM, I well want to know, but you cannot say that before the Geneva exhibition. Even if it WAS a SCAM, perhaps now he has found the good settings, as he plan a lot of settings in his conception. And my small expérience has already see me that just a bad place magnet can broke the principle by creating a magnetic well.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 22, 2013, 07:15:00 PM (http://www.overunity.com/8870/muammer-yildiz-magnet-motor/msg355409/#msg355409)
Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?
Quote from: DomiChi on March 22, 2013, 03:08:32 PM
And you?
(snip)
That's pretty funny, DomiChi.... newbie.
How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvFHejoQEk
Newbie have no meaning because this qualificatif is only for this forum.
I am also on other forums, but French one. And "newbie" in this forum does not depend of posts pertinence, neither on technology diversity.
I have to replace a 5KVA thermique generator, the new one has to work without external power supply, no noize and no maintenance. It has to run during one week with no human, all year long, have you one to propose to me ?
If yes where can I by a working one?
"How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvFHejoQEk. "
Just that you have to change your dog picture with a pitbull.
Concerning Steorn engine, I prefer http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/html/steornv1.htm with more facts and better explanation.
And Naudin is always positive, see his "Recommendations and Improvements". He will try to help, not to broke.
See also http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/index.htm#PREUVE
But thank you for your link, like this I went to Steorn web and I could see their magnetic-viscosity.
Quote from: DomiChi on March 23, 2013, 08:06:22 AM
The Duart how did the expertize is not Brasilian but Dutch, and he is professor in Delft University in Nederland.
why are you arguing with me? I am not arguing for Yildiz, but for better WEB forums. If Yildiz technology is a SCAM, I well want to know, but you cannot say that before the Geneva exhibition. Even if it WAS a SCAM, perhaps now he has found the good settings, as he plan a lot of settings in his conception. And my small expérience has already see me that just a bad place magnet can broke the principle by creating a magnetic well.
Exactly, so am I, in a certain way. Search these forums and try to find one topic about the same machine concept that has been actually proven to be real, a OU machine run by magnets that actually works as they claim. You will not find one, zero, and that is because the history of physics, mathematics and forum users showed us why such machines were not doing what the inventors claimed.
I am not doing any differently, Yildiz's machine is a more pretty version of a previous one that I already linked to you, the pictures of his machine parts in his own website tell you that he is running a perendev configuration variation which is well known to not work already. He already made another OU motor before and didn't get far, no real hard evidence that it worked without any batteries or conceilled parts.
J.L.Duarte IS a brazillian which is residing in Netherlands, studied there and worked there. He has a politician tongue, avoids any direct questioning by using quotes about how people have trouble to believe in the machine. He even started entitling himself as Dr. when he is only an assistant professor (Remember John Searle, which was never a Professor and started calling himself one?).
The video presentation they made publicly was in the same university of Duarte's and so far nothing else came from that presentation, no university interest in participating with Yildiz, not one single publication about the demonstration.
His own test agreement already yells scam by disabling the test team to actually test the machine properly, scientifically.
I say Scam because that is what I see but every single person in their entire life already made one mistake, so I will wait for the Geneva expo before I am absolutely 100% sure that it is a scam. I am 99% certain for now, until then all we can do is wait and see.
As I remarked earlier in my own research, make-belief is part of this game. The show must go on... so there are also scams. But is this one a scam or not? Indeed definite replicable proof of concept and proper research publications are missing. So we doubt, it is no small affair to break the existing paradigm with some kind of magnetic setup to prove there is a rectifiable source of space-energy out there. Our good old PM quest just might take a little longer...
Look at this http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/22/645/send-sterling-allan-to-the-yildiz-magnet-motor-demonstration-in-geneva/
Wait and see, that is a positive attitude. Help them to go. It is the planet interest to proof that it can exist, or even to promote doubt. It is better to promote doubt than scam if that can help to have some official physicians' studies.
And, even if M.Yildiz motor is not sufficient, he has 33 years of study on it, that can certainly be, with the Stoern turn around the stick point, a good start for the physicians.
Don't you remember Sterling's last little trip, to South Africa, to see the motor-generator that would be the answer to all our prayers? Where did all the money go, that he collected for that little junket, and where is the motor-generator that he was promised?
Sure, DomiChi, why don't you send Sterling to see Yildiz's demo. That's a great idea. Sterling can then bury his report of failure to see what was promised, along with all the other failures that he's been part of in the last few years. How many "confirmed" Free Energy claims has Sterling investigated? And why is he still running his home on the Utah electric grid? And why is he personally going broke?
But why do we need magnet motors at all? PJH will be releasing Quenco to the world at the end of March. No, wait... that's been re-scheduled, again. Maybe there's time for Yildiz to save the world after all.... if he can get in ahead of Mister Wayne Travis in Oklahoma.
I honestly do not think that he will come back with a fail. It is my intuition, but of course intuition is not a proof.
And I already put some money for his trip.
M.Yildiz was scan by vital energy specialist and himself does not think his project as a scam. Of course you think that vital energy (like reïki for example) is also a SCAM. But on this thema I have enough proof for myself that it is real.
If Sterling only gets open source pattent, it will be a success. Like this every body will get opportunity to reproduce and think on reality, not just miss patience.
TinselKoala, I hope that in your country judges are not like you. I see most guilty guys then you are guilty.
I do not know what is PJH Quenco. But if it is another low power generator, it is not what I need. I need around 5kVA generator, every days, with no noize, minimum maintenance and no pollution. Sun and wind connot be solution because it is in middle of wood. Now it is a noizy thermique alternator, with pollution and regular tank filling.
I will stop my posts here on this thread. It is sterile.
I'll wait to go myself to Geneva.
TK:
I give Sterling credit because he did learn from the South African fiasco/experience. Sterling stated that he did make requests to the Yildiz team that the motor should be driving a generator that's driving a substantial load. I think that he requested that the motor drive a 1000-watt load. Apparently this fell on deaf ears and the Yildiz team will be demoing their motor driving a fan. As I stated previously, I would guess that the previous times we saw the Yildiz motor driving the fan with the metal blades, the mechanical load was somewhere in the vicinity of one watt or less.
In my opinion Sterling should not go as a protest because of the presumption of inadequate testing that will be shown by the Yildiz team. There is no reason that the Yildiz team cannot be open and transparent and release the information about what the test setup will be before Geneva show.
We can assume that some reports and YouTube clips of the Geneva show will be available online shortly after the show starts so we will see! We will see if the usual and very familiar pattern emerges.
We can hark back to the Steorn 2009-2010 Waterways demo. That set the high water mark for a high profile non-event. Steon demoed funky cart-before-the-horse magic force-inversion pulse motors made of pretty Perspex plastic that regularly drained the D-cells that powered them. And the Perspex motors had no useful output at all. And then the whole presentation and the whole pitch from Steorn vanished into thin air and nothing was ever heard about the Perspex motors again. Talk about results!
MileHigh
Quote from: DomiChi on March 24, 2013, 11:18:02 AM
I honestly do not think that he will come back with a fail. It is my intuition, but of course intuition is not a proof.
And I already put some money for his trip.
M.Yildiz was scan by vital energy specialist and himself does not think his project as a scam. Of course you think that vital energy (like reïki for example) is also a SCAM. But on this thema I have enough proof for myself that it is real.
If Sterling only gets open source pattent, it will be a success. Like this every body will get opportunity to reproduce and think on reality, not just miss patience.
TinselKoala, I hope that in your country judges are not like you. I see most guilty guys then you are guilty.
I do not know what is PJH Quenco. But if it is another low power generator, it is not what I need. I need around 5kVA generator, every days, with no noize, minimum maintenance and no pollution. Sun and wind connot be solution because it is in middle of wood. Now it is a noizy thermique alternator, with pollution and regular tank filling.
I will stop my posts here on this thread. It is sterile.
I'll wait to go myself to Geneva.
Yildiz's words will be proven on the Geneva expo, if it is a scam then it will be one less scammer around to steal money from hopeless people but if it is the real deal then I will buy you myself the generator that you want from Yildiz, and another for me aswell (although I am not very wealthy I will certainly spare some for such a "miracle").
Until then, discussing this will be pointless for everyone, we pretty much covered all aspects of his machine (s), shady past, previous inventions and the high possibility that it is actually a scam so until any more news surface regarding this subject I would suggest that we be patient and wait for it.
Here is a video if it is not put in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XuFPezT1WJ8
I am a little skeptical, wait and see. :-[
Yildiz Motor 30-Day University Test Pending in GENEVA from April 10-14, 2013.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkndsuakDzo
The motor is always shown turning a "LIGHT FAN" at a high speed!
Sound to us exactly like Muammer Yildiz want to keep this show for ever ... he did not want to validate or produce any real product.
Let him do "FAN demo", but it will be a sideshow to this test.
I see a video where one of this motor was running a little car (nothing more than a go-kart) so the bearings should work well to run a generator, a Prony brake or a centrifugal water pump. It is cheap, easy and less loss and no guessing on power output.
Use a flexible coupling which tolerates mis-alignment of shafts. Or even use a magnetic coupling if you don't like that.
The statement about the "difficulty of retrofitting" new bearings on the shaft of the motor is simply not credible, like many other statements.
This eliminates all the vagaries of estimating aerodynamic work, sidestepping that whole controversy, otherwise this will turn into the usual fiasco.
This is a fairly accurate way to calculate motor output!!
What do you think?
There has been an ongoing discussion on PESN about the upcoming demo and the lack of credibility of the comments coming from the Yildiz team. Sterling for some strange reason never wants to use his common sense and object to the suspicious and not-credible statements being made by Yildiz and his associates.
It looks like the demo will be done with a fan. Mark E. proposed a very good improvised dynamometer test using two bathroom scales, a measuring tape, a tachometer, and two aluminum rails to support the motor on top of the bathroom scales. We are asking Sterling to do this test, even if he has to do it himself.
If this test actually gets done at the show the assumption is that the measured mechanical output power of the motor when driving the supposedly new and larger fan will be 30 watts or less. That means that if there are Lithium-Ion batteries hidden inside the motor, then there would be more than enough energy to drive the motor for weeks and weeks.
Assuming the above happens, then the show will be inconclusive and the Yildiz team will be back to where they started - allegations that they have an all-magnet magnet motor with no proof.
If you read PESN you will see that there are many borderline-ridiculous statements being made by the Yildiz team in an attempt to avoid doing a credible and definitive test at the upcoming Geneva Inventor's Expo. For example, the Yildiz team is claiming that the mechanical load of the new fan on the motor will be 380 watts. They are also stating that the bearings are "too weak" for the motor to drive a decent-sized load of a few hundred watts.
MileHigh
Here is an excellent diagram by Mark Euthanasius, a regular poster on PESN, on how to make the toque measurement on the Yildiz motor when it is driving a fan.
Once you know the torque in Newton-meters you simply measure the angular velocity of the fan with an optical tachometer to get the angular velocity in radians per second.
The mechanical power required to drive the fan in watts is then simply the torque times the angular velocity.
MileHigh
Here is an updated drawing. The formulas remain the same. The change is that the indicator for the angle theta is now in the correct place.
Sterling Allan, travels to GENEVA through the efforts of hundreds of volunteers who paid for his trip and stay (i am one).
Now, he is in Switzerland (or France). It´s Ok.
If you see the video travel, Allan think that is in paid vacations. Looks to us like a Hollywood star on the red carpet. Bravo!
Meanwhile, no power measured, no torque measured, no RPM measured. Sterling is in the summer time?.
Why do you traveled to Geneva Sterling? For eat and drink with YILDIZ?
Please, somebody of PES or Overunity talk to him!!
Please, please, don't waste this opportunity Sterling Allan. We're all counting on you!
Let YILDIZ to do his "FAN DEMO FOR EVER", but you do your job!.
I'm in error? Or am I asking too much?
Best whishes for all.
Sterling Allan, travels to GENEVA through the efforts of hundreds of volunteers who paid for his trip and stay (i am one).
Now, he is in Switzerland (or France) . It´s Ok.
If you see the video travel, Allan think that is in paid vacations. Looks to us like a Hollywood star on the red carpet. Bravo!
Meanwhile, no power measured, no torque measured, no RPM measured. Sterling is in the summer time?.
Why do you traveled to Geneva Sterling? For eat and drink with YILDIZ?
Please, somebody of PES or Overunity talk to him!!
Please, please, don't waste this opportunity Sterling Allan. We're all counting on you!
Let YILDIZ to do his "FAN DEMO FOR EVER", but you do your job!.
I'm in error? Or am I asking too much?
Best whishes for all.
Silly silly boyz...........
enough of this silliness.... one of you fellows ask "Sterlinga" for the blade part number.
The tinMan uses blades all the time for a torque load.as a matter of fact they're very good for this. [provided you stay in spec [no cavitation]
MH Keep your bathroom scales and personal hygiene products ,.......you time the run... you get the RPM
get us a duplicate blade or part # some "tube" dimensions and Ambient temp [humidity would be nice too]at time of test ~ We'll do the rest [Its called a "control"]
END OF STORY!!
Thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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Quoteget us a duplicate blade or part # some "tube" dimensions and Ambient temp [humidity would be nice too]at time of test ~ We'll do the rest [Its called a "control"]
And do precisely what Chet?
Quote from: ramset on April 09, 2013, 08:00:47 AM
Silly silly boyz...........
enough of this silliness.... one of you fellows ask "Sterlinga" for the blade part number.
The tinMan uses blades all the time for a torque load.as a matter of fact they're very good for this. [provided you stay in spec [no cavitation]
MH Keep your bathroom scales and personal hygiene products ,.......you time the run... you get the RPM
get us a duplicate blade or part # some "tube" dimensions and Ambient temp [humidity would be nice too]at time of test ~ We'll do the rest [Its called a "control"]
END OF STORY!!
Thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Edit reason : added a "Ster" and removed a "stupid"~
Agreed. A properly used and characterised propeller or fan blade is perfectly legitimate as a load, and can even give a linear power "curve" with RPM within its range. However it needs to be properly mounted, and of course calibrated by spinning it with a "known underunity" motor whose power consumption can be accurately monitored.
The part number of the propeller that Yildiz is using might not be helpful, for a couple of reasons. First, we have no assurance that the prop hasn't been altered from its original specs, and second.... the silly thing doesn't actually look to me like a fan blade or propeller at all, it looks more like a "mode stirrer" from an old microwave oven, that is designed to reflect microwaves around for even cooking.... and is spun by a little gearmotor that goes about 50 or 60 rpm. It's not even designed to be aerodynamic.
Of course even such a blade could be used as an aerodynamic load _as long as it is calibrated_ by running it from a known motor dissipating a known amount of power. (run the calibration motor with no load at a certain RPM and record its power consumption. Add the blade and run to the same rpm, record data. The difference will be the power dissipation at that RPM of the blade alone. Then move your blade to the motor under test and run to the same RPM.... and you will know how much power your DUT is providing to the shaft. Of course you may not have control of the RPM of the DUT, so you will need to prepare a calibration nomograph using several different RPM values from your calibration motor system.
EDITED to add the example pic below. This is _not_ a fan blade! It's the microwave reflective stirrer from an antique MW oven, along with its little motor, showing its 50 RPM rotation speed.
Tell Sterlinga
there's a 100 bucks on the table if he comes back with the test Blade,
and we'll return it when finished [both blades would be nice actually]
If he won't go for that take some tissue paper and Hair spray [spikey hair mousse would work also]
and make an impression of one blade or as much of the fan as he will allow!
[50 bucks for that!!]
And Yes TK you have almost perfectly outlined the Control procedure !
Thx
Chet
I just can't understand why Mr. Yildiz keeps returning year after year with this same little motor.
He doesn't act as a genuine inventor, anyone technically skilled would have kept improving the prototype from year to year.
If I knew how to create rotational torque with permanent magnets, I would immediately have stepped up in prototype size.
Stepping up in size is absolutely essential, since it will once and for all get rid of all the suspicion created by that little box of his.
The step from 35 watts to 35 kilowatts or even 35 thousand kilowatts is no big challenge for a mechanical invention, just scale it up with bigger parts.
And this repeated response that the bearings of the shaft does not allow for torque tests! Give me a brake.
What is this guy waiting for?!
With an invention like this, getting together a few hundred thousand dollars would not be a problem. Nothing would have stopped me.
I would have started a small powerplant locally, becoming an energy distributor known for my strange engine.
That would propel the whole thing into the mainstream media and the rest would be part of the history books.
But instead we have this strange little man with his little box appearing here and there, but never letting anyone come to close....
As far as I am concerned, the whole story smells funny.
Gwandau
TK:
QuoteOf course even such a blade could be used as an aerodynamic load _as long as it is calibrated_ by running it from a known motor dissipating a known amount of power. (run the calibration motor with no load at a certain RPM and record its power consumption. Add the blade and run to the same rpm, record data. The difference will be the power dissipation at that RPM of the blade alone. Then move your blade to the motor under test and run to the same RPM.... and you will know how much power your DUT is providing to the shaft. Of course you may not have control of the RPM of the DUT, so you will need to prepare a calibration nomograph using several different RPM values from your calibration motor system.
I have real reservations about this and I don't think it's correct. You know how much power the motor draws at the test RPM with no fan. Let's call that the "overhead_power." When you add the fan load, you will get an increased electrical power draw at the test RPM. Let's call the increased load the "extra_power." That still does not tell you about the incremental changes in the power mix as you slowly add an increasing mechanical load. The only thing that you know is that the power draw increases to the overhead_power plus the extra_power.
The actual mechanical power required to turn the fan is not necessarily equal to the extra_power. You don't really know where the split is between the true waste heat power and the true mechanical fan power. For example, the bearings go from seeing no mechanical load to seeing a mechanical load. The fan is imparting an axial pull on the bearings and there are other random disturbance stresses on the bearings. That may affect the burn-off power rate in the bearings and that is a total unknown.
You can also look at it like this: If you want to measure the mechanical power from the fan at the test RPM - then measure the actual _mechanical_ power draw from the fan itself - don't mess with making electrical measurements.
The best thing is the bathroom balance test. Somebody posted that for a few extra dollars you can get bathroom scales with a resolution of 0.01 Kg - 10 grams. It's not super fine resolution but it will work. It's a _real_ dynamometer test on the actual device under test with the actual fan load. When the closing bell for the show happens, you could still be streaming live on the Internet. It would take less than 15 minutes to set it up and record all of the data.
MileHigh
MH
The fact is, regardless of anything else the blade Load can be calculated from any high school text book,in the USA.
and from most 3rd grade school books in China........
Maybe Kindergarten books in Germany ??
MH
its not a perfect world ,asking Weights and measures to come to Geneva to Calibrate a few "walmart"scales and then getting a letter of indemnity from Loyds of London for a Liability Umbrella ?
Its just too Busy.........
Hollywood even!!?
Blade specs will tell the tale with a few other data points.
No fuss No muss!!
thx
Chet
the important question is what kind of physics are behind the motor action if not a scam.its either a violation of 1st law thermodynamics or 2nd law thermodynamics.im going to rule out a 1st law violation and go with the 2nd and say its some kind of assymetry in the isothermal magnetic cycle of events.a part of the magnets must be cooling down and sucking in ambient heat here.
Compare this Halbach circle with the spoked wedges of Yildiz's stator:
Chet:
I agree with you that you can do tests with the same propeller prop. It looks like a prop for a very large scale model airplane. Without the manufacturer and part number though, you can't do much. I doubt Sterling will get that information off of Yildiz.
The claim by Yildiz that the fan load for the demo at the Geneva Inventor's Expo would be 380 watts is clearly a huge in-your-face lie. Why does the free energy community accept this junk all the time? That's a rhetorical question. Sterling can be so "disconnected" sometimes.
Today was a bust. The rest of the show doesn't matter anymore, the fan load is not expected to change. So we are left in shiny happy land for the next few days. Perhaps somebody in the next booth over has a good deal on crystals???
MileHigh
MH
Anything that we can do at this point to qualify that blades load value will go a long way towards
explaining "the rest of the story".........
thx
Chet
Chet:
Thee is nothing to explain. By my eyeball the mechanical load of the fan is somewhere in the region of five watts or less. The numbers have already been crunched on PESN. Lithium-ion batteries if placed inside that motor chassis could power a 5-watt load for weeks and weeks.
MileHigh
Yup.
BTW MH the method I outlined is perfectly valid and has been used by "professionals" to determine the power dissipation of model airplane propellers. I can't find the original scholarly paper on the topic right now, but while searching I found these other documents that might be of interest.
http://www.peninsulasilentflyers.com/sites/peninsulasilentflyers.com/files/documents/Tom_Hunt_prop_info.pdf (http://www.peninsulasilentflyers.com/sites/peninsulasilentflyers.com/files/documents/Tom_Hunt_prop_info.pdf)
That one is a powerpoint slideshow that talks about propeller parameters and how to calculate some of them, roughly.
http://dc-rc.org/pdf/Model%20Propellers%20Article.pdf (http://dc-rc.org/pdf/Model%20Propellers%20Article.pdf)
That one has more than anyone might reasonably expect to need. Starting at around Page 8, you will find the necessary formulae to make a very intelligent "guess" at the power necessary to turn that prop of Yildiz's.
I'd say 5 or ten Watts at 2600 RPM isn't too out of line. It certainly does NOT take half-a-horsepower to do it.
ETA: I just checked the specs for a TRex 450, a popular electric heli design. It is supposed to draw 8 amps from an 11.4 volt LiPo when hovering. So it's making enough thrust to offset its nearly 1 kg weight, turning a tail rotor thru a belt-drive system, powering a radio and 4 servos, and spinning a 690 mm diameter rotor disc at 2200 rpm. All on a bit over 90 Watts.
Yildiz's prop is at most 300 mm, probably more like 250 mm.
TK:
You are right, I hadn't thought about the whole panorama of research into propellers, and measurements on propellers. I still have to remind myself that they use electric motors these days. I only ever fantasized about RC planes.
It's still "fun" to think about using scales though. When I get reincarnated as Richie Rich I will have a big lab with all the fun stuff and I will invite Dot over.
MileHigh
Quote from: profitis on April 10, 2013, 10:12:06 AM
the important question is what kind of physics are behind the motor action if not a scam.its either a violation of 1st law thermodynamics or 2nd law thermodynamics.im going to rule out a 1st law violation and go with the 2nd and say its some kind of assymetry in the isothermal magnetic cycle of events.a part of the magnets must be cooling down and sucking in ambient heat here.
Profitis-If the Yildiz magnet motor actualy worked as claimed,you will find that it is not breaking any laws of physic's as set by nature-only those that man has set sofar.These law's of physics set by man are far from absolute,but only what he knows today to be true.
It is not difficult to measure how many watts or HP it take's to spin a fan blade or propeller.The first thing to remember is that a fan and a propeller are two very different thing's,and opperate in different way's.A propeller is designed to produce thrust,while a fan is designed to move volume(a boat prop is a mixture of both)
The second thing to remember is the difference between a static test and a dynamice test.A static test cannot give you a watts or HP result-as nothing is moving.To obtain a watt or HP figure for a given amount of revolution's,we have to do a static/ dynamic test.
As we cant go chasing the prime mover around the lab trying to calculate speed,we need to measure wind speed only.To do this you will need a wind tunnel in which the fan blade fits into.You will also need a wind speed meter and a small set of digital scale's.The fan must fit within the wind tunnel tube with no more than a 2% gap of that of the fan diameter.The wind tunnel (round tube)must also have difuser plates to stop wind vortices forming inside the tunnel.You will also need a 1 inch square plate fixed to a knife edged arm,which has a center pivot fixed to the outer side of the wind tunnel tube.This will give you a 1 to 1 fulcrum on which your scales are attached to.You now have a means to measure wind speed and pounds per square inch of force inside the wind tunnel.This can then be calculated to watts or HP being produced by your fan blade.Once you have this and you know the rpm of your fan blade,you then have a set figure of how much watts or HP your fan blade is producing at a given rpm.If you know the watts that your motor is outputing and you now have your watts of output from your fan,you can now calculate the % of slip from your fan.You will also now know how many watts of power it take's to propell 1 square inch of a rigid material threw the air at the given wind speed in the tunnel-providing air density is the same on all test.This is done by deviding your watt output from your fan by the square inches of your wind tunnel.
Please note that the above method is for a fixed prime mover,and the fan rpm must be 20% under cavitational speed.
Quote from TK:
"I'd say 5 or ten Watts at 2600 RPM isn't too out of line. It certainly does NOT take half-a-horsepower to do it."
I read that Yildiz tried to bring a third larger demonstration model that delivered the 1/2 h.p. with him, but the Turkish Patent Office apparently prevented him from crossing the border with it.
Or we could get a manufacturer and part number off of the blade and have the info needed in mere moments.
I doubt Blade wittling is one of Yildiz skills, Being secretive in regards to the blade would be a very poor move on his part, seeing as how it is the only way he can validate his power claim ,the blade specs should be posted on the plexi box he has it all mounted in.[obviously he's not a good "trade show Man".
While some may be unaware of this loading method [propellers] few things have been researched
and tested as much as aircraft propellers .
I do like the @TinMans Tunnel tester tho ,and he points out a very big issue ..the Yildiz device that I have seen before was the Motor mounted up against a tube ,with the drive blade inside which in turn moved air thru another drive blade mounted to a small generator.........
That will definitely apply more load than the Prop in free air,and is the reason those tube measurements would be required for a good Control .
but once again ,all that info [load calibration and test lab certification]should be posted on a little info card on the front of the demmo!
very poor show man and marketer .....
Ths
Chet
The propeller is a standard 16x10 electric airplane tractor propeller.
QuoteOn April 02, 2013 5:23 AM [MDT], Halil wrote:
Sorry that I cannot get out of the bed, because of having 39 degrees of fever for 2 days.
I called YILDIZ and got the info :
The motors have a diameter of approximately 35-40 cm
The shaft is 45 cm long, 17 mm thick
The propeller stays 5-10 cm far from the motor's face
The propeller has a diameter of 40,6 cm
The codes on the propeller are as follows : 406×254, 16×10
I hope this info can help you. The propeller is just a simple one. There is no further info on it.
There may be also other propellers that are suitable to be found at the air model shops. But I don't know the way to mount them on the shaft.
On April 02, 2013 2:25 PM [MST] Halil added:
I think, it's this one : http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html (http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html)
I asked him to give us info on the number of blades, their pitch, and ideally the manufacturer, make, model. A photo would be nice, too. [I've asked him to confirm that the above link is the actual blade.]
April 3, 2013; 7:40 am update: Halil sent an email last night saying that that link (http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html)above is indeed the same blade he will be using.From
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/31/816/brainstorm-publish-yildiz-test-propeller-specs/
Looking at the photos, it appears that the prop on the demo "continuously non-running motor" is indeed a 16 inch prop. Of course it's not possible to tell the pitch... but 16x10 is very common.
And we know how to calculate the power required to turn a standard model airplane propeller don't we?
http://www.stefanv.com/rcstuff/qf200203.html
QuoteBoth pitch and diameter affect how much output power the motor must produce to turn the propeller at a given rpm. The following equation shows the relationship between motor output power (also called shaft power, or propeller input power), rpm, pitch, and diameter:
power = k * rpm^3 * diameter^4 * pitch
The factor k depends on the units used to express power, pitch, and diameter, and also on characteristics of the propeller such as the airfoil it uses, its overall shape, thickness, and so on. For power in Watts, and diameter and pitch in inches, k is about 5.3×10^-15 for an average model airplane propeller.
Well? At 2600 RPM, how much power does it take to turn that propeller? Half a horsepower? Or .... somewhat less.
Quote from: synchro1 on April 11, 2013, 05:04:56 AM
Quote from TK:
"I'd say 5 or ten Watts at 2600 RPM isn't too out of line. It certainly does NOT take half-a-horsepower to do it."
I read that Yildiz tried to bring a third larger demonstration model that delivered the 1/2 h.p. with him, but the Turkish Patent Office apparently prevented him from crossing the border with it.
Sure. They were the ones that arranged for his trip and provided the money for it, but they wouldn't let him take a working demo model across the border. Happens all the time. At least with "free energy" devices... they do not travel well. Not even from Dublin to London, much less from Turkey to Geneva.
Yildiz has claimed that the very motor that is present and in use at the demonstration is capable of 38 horsepower, or some horseshite like that, and that it dissipates 380 Watts turning the other, multibladed fan that is now apparently on the smaller .... not allowed to be run because it will self-destruct ... motor.
@tinman.obviously it doesnt break any laws of nature,otherwize it wouldnt work however it certainly violates man,s current understanding of the 2nd law thermodynamics which says ambient heat cannot be put to useful work without extra losses.a part of that motor is gona be cooling down inside.someone should take a infrared photo of this right now to confirm this.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 10, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
TK:
You are right, I hadn't thought about the whole panorama of research into propellers, and measurements on propellers. I still have to remind myself that they use electric motors these days. I only ever fantasized about RC planes.
It's still "fun" to think about using scales though. When I get reincarnated as Richie Rich I will have a big lab with all the fun stuff and I will invite Dot over.
MileHigh
Electric airplanes and digital photography.... they have changed my hobby life completely. What a mess an .049 diesel glowplug wood and tissue airplane was to fly, what a hassle film developing was...... now, it's all high-tech foam, carbon fiber and electrics, megapixels and compact flash, leaving much more time to spend surfing the internest!
(My favorite electric 'airplane' is my WildRC Mini-IFO. It is an absolute hoot to fly and just about indestructable. )
I find it quite amazing that they seem to run at home for years at a time,but when at a public show they dont even run for a day without something going wrong.This seems to be the norm for all so called OU devices when it comes to public viewings or test.
Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva is not functioning right. I know something would happen to 'disturb' the 5 day continous running. This validation is not going to happen. The list of fraudy FE inventors will become longer by Yildiz contribution. Do we have to go on with giving attention to his 'invention'? I did know something was going wrong with this.
Quote from: tinman on April 11, 2013, 07:57:48 AM
I find it quite amazing that they seem to run at home for years at a time,but when at a public show they dont even run for a day without something going wrong.This seems to be the norm for all so called OU devices when it comes to public viewings or test.
Free Energy devices, like fine wines, do not travel well, it appears. Best stay at home and invite the marks, er, the interested potential investors, over to see it working in an environment you totally control, like that "other" TK fellow does.
Say Yildiz is not a Mylow and actually ran his magnet motor for over four hours from his shade tree shop. Imagine what 2000 Japenese engineers could design and manufacture fully implementing his discovery!
a lithium ion bat can definitly power this prop for weeks,even the aluminum casing if wet with electrolyte inside can power it galvanicly for weeks but would yildiz go thru all this trouble if that is the case? Madness
someone please ask stirling to take a infrared shot of it.this will reveal much much info im telling you.
Quote from: profitis on April 11, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
a lithium ion bat can definitly power this prop for weeks,even the aluminum casing if wet with electrolyte inside can power it galvanicly for weeks but would yildiz go thru all this trouble if that is the case? Madness
Well, let's put some hard numbers to it. First, the observables: we have a 16x10 prop being turned at around 2600 RPM for around 4 1/2 hours, then we have a rapidly decreasing RPM series (reminiscent of a battery running down) until the claimant stops the run. Call it 4.7 hours at 2600 RPM to be generous.
And we know some LiPo parameters. My electric helicopter uses a 3-cell LiPo, nominally 11.1 volts but about 12 something when fully charged, and the capacity is 2100 mA-H, and it's about the size of a 3 Musketeers candy bar.
And we know how to calculate the power required to turn that 16x10 prop at 2600 RPM. I got 14 Watts when I ran the calc I posted earlier, but I misplace decimals a lot so please check my work. So the 4.7 hours demo required at least 14 x 4.7 == about 66 Watt-hours of energy.
So.... a 2100 mA-H, 11.1 V battery has around 23 Watt-hours of energy in it. Is there room for three or four candy bars anywhere inside Yildiz's motor.... or the big opaque base it's sitting on?
Please check my math and let me know if there are errors so that I can correct it as soon as they are pointed out. Yes, that is a DIG at RA.
ETA: I see that I did make an error. It now seems that I am calculating 61 Watts for the power at 2600 RPM. That seems high to me but that is what the numbers are saying and I've run them several times on two different calculators. So that means we need space for 12 or 13 candy bars or something like that.
61 x 4.7 == 287 Watt-hours
287 / 23 == about 12 1/2
Hm. Check that base unit.
Here's another online prop calculator:
http://adamone.rchomepage.com/calc_thrust.htm (http://adamone.rchomepage.com/calc_thrust.htm)
Using its "APC 16x10" and its default atmosphere parameters I get 46.4 Watts. More than I expected, for sure, but still a lot less than what Yildiz has advertised.
Nine candy bars.
Does anyone know where the RPM numbers are coming from? Is an optical tachometer being used? Is it counting blade passages? Is it possible that it is reading 2600 blade passages per minute, which would be 1300 RPM?
Power to turn the prop goes as the cube of the RPM, so half the RPM means one-eighth the power required. Two candy bars.
I was going to say at 14 watts for a 16 inch prop
No way !!
I don't get You tube ATM ,is the settup in the Tube?
or free air?
putting the blade into that tube with the back pressure from the other blade is analogous to placing it into water.[OK water is a bit dramatic .however the load increase will be huge.]
As will the watts required to drive it!
Since you have all the propeller toys already TK and with all that spare "internet Time".
Some chewing Gum a couple of staples and a cardboard tube.
we could even Calibrate the little out put genny load [TinMan knows How to do that ]
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photo below courtesy of
Physics Prof
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I found the meter used to measure RPM's - it also can measure temperature (non-contact):
http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16 (http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16)
It is seen in one of the vids from 10 April. Note the reading - 1517 (RPM), for this run at about 3pm on 10 April. |
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The setup is fairly described in the quote from Sterling's correspondent above. The prop is sitting well out in front of the motor, there isn't really any shroud but when he puts the plastic box on it, it effectively acts as an "end plate". I've demonstrated how adding an endplate can actually _increase_ the RPM of a model airplane propeller at a given input power, but that's not really relevant here.
I'm happy with the 46 Watt figure that the online calculator comes up with as ballpark -- IF the RPM can be trusted. I am having doubts now, based on the sound, and I'd like to see something about how the RPM is measured: what kind of optical tach, does it correct for blade count, is it calibrated against some standard, etc.
Because if the thing is actually counting blades and not correcting, then it's indicating 2600 blades per minute and not 2600 RPM which means 1300 RPM and that cuts the power requirement by a factor of 8.
Quote from: ramset on April 11, 2013, 09:27:26 AM
photo below courtesy of
Physics Prof
I found the meter used to measure RPM's - it also can measure temperature (non-contact):
http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16 (http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16)
It is seen in one of the vids from 10 April. Note the reading - 1517 (RPM), for this run at about 3pm on 10 April.
You are kidding, right? OK, that thing has no correction for blade number. Where on the motor is he measuring the RPM? If it's at the blades.... then it should read 5200 for a motor turning 2600 RPM.
would have to be "shaft speed" !
OK ,so take your little flying beasty chain it to the pitnit table ,place a tube over the prop
and play with the output flow ?
Or you could just take your vacuum cleaner and suck up the cat {clog it} or put it on Blow and put your hand on the end.
Listen to the motor ??
does it sound like its coasting??
yes @tinselkoala but if we just had a infrared snapshot of the whole device we could tell if a battery is embedded in the motor because it would show up as a hotter part of the image where the bats are located.if it showed the case of the motor as cooler than ambient then i would tend to rule out batteries and start to think in terms of a 2nd law violation.
We can clearly see someone Laser Taching off the rear section of the axel. Definitly reading shaft speed.
Quote from: ramset on April 11, 2013, 09:40:55 AM
would have to be "shaft speed" !
OK ,so take your little flying beasty chain it to the pitnit table ,place a tube over the prop
and play with the output flow ?
Or you could just take your vacuum cleaner and suck up the cat {clog it} or put it on Blow and put your hand on the end.
Listen to the motor ??
does it sound like its coasting??
Good thing I don't have a cat, or I'd try it.
No, it doesn't sound like it's coasting exactly. It's not really blazing along either. So, not 5 watts at 1300 RPM, not 14 from punching wrong buttons, but 46 or 61 watts from good calculators based on the prop dimensions and taking the measurement of RPM as correct. I can accept that.
Nine candy bars.
Quote from: synchro1 on April 11, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
We can clearly see someone Laser Taching off the rear section of the axel. Definitly reading shaft speed.
Can you give the link to where that can be seen? I can't stand to watch any more of those fracking ads looking for it. This is the most boring demo ever.
Quote from: profitis on April 11, 2013, 09:51:45 AM
yes @tinselkoala but if we just had a infrared snapshot of the whole device we could tell if a battery is embedded in the motor because it would show up as a hotter part of the image where the bats are located.if it showed the case of the motor as cooler than ambient then i would tend to rule out batteries and start to think in terms of a 2nd law violation.
I have nothing against data; the more the merrier. I think there's a lot of thermal mass in that thing, though, and you might not be able to pick up a battery's heat through all that stuff. X-rays, CAT scan, backscatter, there are lots of ways but do you seriously think Yildiz would permit anyone to use them?
I am reminded of the fancy thermal imagery from the Steorn Waterways demonstration. Yep, sure enough looky there, the coils are hotter than the rest of the thing. They must be because the imagery shows them in different colors. And that is all that is ever heard about thermal imagery. No calibration data, no comparisons, nothing. Thousands of dollars worth of kit, for a few seconds of colored pictures that make people nod their heads sagely, stroke their beards and glance furtively at each other.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 11, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
Can you give the link to where that can be seen? I can't stand to watch any more of those fracking ads looking for it. This is the most boring demo ever.
Reads 2037 r.p.m. from the back of the shaft 1:10 into the video: This shows where he's taking his tach reading from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYy4nioQXM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMYy4nioQXM)
OK Thx.
The online calc gives 22.2 Watts for the APC Sport 16x10 at 2037 rpm and the default air data.
Six candy bars.
Quote from: Bertoa on April 11, 2013, 07:58:27 AM
Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva is not functioning right. I know something would happen to 'disturb' the 5 day continous running. This validation is not going to happen. The list of fraudy FE inventors will become longer by Yildiz contribution. Do we have to go on with giving attention to his 'invention'? I did know something was going wrong with this.
@ Bertoa, I can't but agree. It all smells funny. Below is an excert from Sterling Allans report made yesterday in Geneva:
"This morning, when Mr. Yildiz went to start the motor at around 10:05 am, shortly after the conference opened, it didn't start. He pulled it into a closet at their booth for about 20 minutes, then emerged. Then he started it by the way you've seen on the web.
The motor ran from 10:28 am to 2:50 pm GMT, nearly 4.5 hours.
It started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.
Then, a magnet was "loose", and the motor began to slow. Then, he said that the magnet alignment malfunction began to cascade so that 3 were out of line. By 2:21, the speed was 2064. A noise could be heard from the motor, so he turned it off.
Then, at 3:10 pm, he turned it on again, and it went to 1930 rpm, then began dropping rapidly
1734 rpm at 3:12
1522 at 3:15
He stopped it at 3:16 pm
The temperature was around 23 degrees on the front and back bearings, just 1 degree C above room temp: 22 C
So presently, the motor is off.
He plans to work on it this evening, then run it again tomorrow, hopefully all day (and hopefully through the night too). "
Regarding the eddy fields and heat production expected to be present when moving magnets within a aluminum body such as the Muammer Yildiz motor,
there was no excess heat detected. But there was something else that Sterling Allan noticed, something quite peculiar:
"Also, yesterday, Yildiz demonstrated an effect in which copper coins (which normally are not attracted to magnets) stuck to the outside of the magnet motor, while silver-colored coins (which normally are attracted to magnets) drop off the outside of the same motor body -- the opposite of what you would expect. This illustrates that there is something very unusual going on."
Now, I really would like to know if Sterling A had the possibility verify the copper colored coins to actually be made of copper, since if they were, we are here confronted with hitherto unknown effects. It openly violates contemporary scientific knowledge, copper just do not stick to aluminum, no matter what's going on inside.
This last observation about copper coins sticking to aluminum makes everything become uncertain again.
Is this little strange man genuine, or not?
Gwandau
Gwandau
latest on the coins
all is as it should be no nonferrous attraction! I think the "Sterlinga" said this today,and added that it was all magnetic and good news !!
@Tinsel
Can I get Chocolate Chip cookies instead of Candy bars? [whats the swap rate on those?]
thx
Chet
Gwandau:
QuoteIt started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.
That whole story is consistent with a battery. We know that a battery's voltage trypically increases after it has been driving a load for a while, hence the increase in RPM. We also can expect that if it was a true free energy device, we might expect to see a constant RPM. However, it's possible that as the bearings warm up the friction might go down which could explain the increase in RPM also. I still think it's because of a battery voltage increase.
In the latter part of the description is looks like Yildiz was sleeping at the wheel. I can only speculate that he didn't check or was unaware that his batteries were near the end of their charge-discharge life-cycle and could not power the motor for one full day. Hence the disaster.
I will repeat that the claim that the fan load on the motor would be 380 watts is a bold-faced lie. I don't buy the reference that Synchro made that he read about a "bigger motor with a larger fan" that could not be transported or get across the border. There has never been any discussion of a "bigger motor" before.
All:
The stuff about the coins is just a silly distraction and Sterling is falling for it hook, line, and sinker. There wasn't even a regular magnet nearby to compare with. Also, the effect could be related to AC magnetic fields. Not to mention the unknown metal mixture in the coins themselves. The sad thing is that Sterling apparently believes that this is an "out of the ordinary effect."
Unfortunately we are left with this uncertain spectacle, and we can expect that for the next few days that Sterling will be a team player never seriously questioning all these problems with the people that are responsible for them.
Think of Sterling visiting South Africa and seeing a motor-generator contraption for 20 minutes and stating that he was "convinced." Similar stories for his visits to Steorn and Inteligentry. I can understand him not wanting to be confrontational with the people that he has to spend the next few days with, but just the same he could express his profound disappointment and then when he gets back home write an honest review of what transpired and then turn the page on Yildiz. But that's just my take on it.
MileHigh
Well, considering the best estimates for power dissipation (46 Watts at 2600 RPM, 23 at 2000 RPM, roughly) and the times, and the battery volumes necessary to store the energy, and the taken-apart motor at one of the previous demos immediately after running, I'd say that it is still not quite possible to rule _out_ a set of batteries concealed inside the motor itself. Barely. Six 3-musketeers bars or so of volume, minumum .... and we have to recall that he's been demoing this motor for years, so no bleeding-edge tech batteries in there, probably.... Of course also we don't know that the guts of the thing are the same as what was disassembled, although on the outside it looks the same pretty much.
So it boils down to runtime and RPM. We aren't going to find out how long it will run, because of the breakdown and the logical impossibility of taking the thing apart, replacing magnets and cleaning it and reassembling it before the demo is over.... even though he took it mostly apart in under ten minutes in that demo before. And there could just as easily be two reflective spots on the rear of the shaft, as one.
@gwandau.the temperature of the bearings on the motor was 1degree celcius above room temp?are they measuring the temp while the motor runs?
@tinselkoala ya it would be messy with infrared but at least we may be able to deduce if the motor body is generaly cooler or hotter than ambient.now gwandau claims they did in fact measure the temp at 23degrees c.if this is correct then i doubt that batteries are powering it as the chemical reactions should shoot the temp at least 5degrees celcius up above ambient
also i noticed that stirling says that the only way to stop the motor is by clutching the shaft with your gloved hand,is this consistant with battery powered motors?
also a one professori 'duarte' testifies that he saw inside the motor(he was allowed to take a glimpse)and says he saw,and i quote 'no batteries in there'.
Hi TK
there is also some other possibilities.
1. A wind up spring lol (with enough tension anything is possible)
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
3. That many of the magnets are batteries in disguise (rather cool)
Of course there is the question of the mysterious controller Box
For the record I have been calling this one fraud for years, and one of the main reasons I have been banned of free energy news.
I have never seen any magnetic motors running self looped, or any other device that could sustain itself long enough to discount other energy sources.
I do enjoy your posts (despite your low opinion of me)
Kind Regards
Mark (Thailand at the moment)
:)
not simple tuning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9
hey markdansie,whats happening in thailand mate.another yildiz?better one perhaps?
Mark:
I know that you are not an electronics guy so I am going to comment on one of your points, please don't take offense.
Quote2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
That statement really doesn't make any sense at all, from a conventional perspective or from any other perspective that you want to take. The notion of "draining" energy from magnets akin to draining energy from batteries is ridiculous.
So, you might want to keep that in mind and not use it as a "talking point." It's really a negative doozie to say that and could cause uncomfortable pregnant pauses!
MileHigh
Here is today's report from Sterling relating to the Yildiz motor demo: {sterlinga Networks quite well]
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Yildiz Magnet Motor Demo Report, April 11, 2013
Even though the motor was not continuously running, only occasionally for a brief demo, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high; and there were things observable today that were not noticed or addressed yesterday. The believers have more reason to believe.
by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
Even though the motor was not continuously running, the energy of the people visiting the booth at the Inventors Expo in Geneva was still very high as they met other like-minded people, shared business cards, talked business, shared dreams about the future, and strategized about how to help Mr. Yildiz succeed, along with other technologies of promise.
As I returned to the Villa in France where the documentary film crew is staying (Ronny and are parked out in front with the motorhome Ronny rented for 550 Euros for the week), they asked me if I felt let down by today's lack of a motor running continuously. I told them that for me, I am glad that the motor was not running continuously, because I was able to see several significant things that I would not have seen otherwise. It makes it more real. I am even more convinced today than I was yesterday.
If it had just been a matter of the motor slowing down yesterday, before they shut it off, then I think the skepticism would have been higher, but because the noise increased, giving evidence that something had gone amiss, it was easier to believe Mr. Yildiz' explanation that some magnets had gotten out of place and could create a cascading, catastrophic failure if he kept it running continuously.
And last night, his showing Ronny, Halil, and me some of the magnet fragments he pulled out of the motor, gave physical evidence of what he was saying. And with that, it wasn't hard to imagine how some of the unretrieved fragments of the brittle neodymium magnets could be lodged elsewhere in the motor, causing problems and possibly instigating a major failure.
Actually, I was somewhat surprised that he was still willing to give the motor a run at various times throughout the day. And for me, watching the motor start and stop gave me even more confidence that it is indeed a magnet motor and not a motor powered by a hidden battery. It was obvious that the braking mechanism that caused the motor to stop, once released by Yildiz' use of the screwdriver, hit with a mallet, immediately, within maybe a 1/5 of a second, allowed the motor then accelerate to full speed. However, when he hit that mechanism in the reverse direction, to stop the motor through the brake, it took maybe 3-5 seconds to slow to a stop, which is consistent with a brake on a resisting force.
So as I described the motor to curious passers by, I would tell them that as the motor is sitting there stopped, it is under tension to want to accelerate, which it immediately does when the brake is disengaged.
There was no electric motor sound during that acceleration.
Another convincing demonstration that Yildiz did was to hold a coin perpendicular to the small motor as it was turned slowly. You could see the coin flop back and forth as the magnetic polarity passing by it changed. (Video)
Also, the behavior of that smaller motor was consistent with the concept of all-magnet power. With very slow rotation speed by hand, moving it maybe 2 rpm, you could feel a very strong cogging. It almost hurt your finger to push on the fan blade to get it past a cogging point. Yet if you pushed it a little harder, it would begin spinning for several revolutions. That behavior is completely inconsistent with how a motor would behave if there were some kind of hidden battery and motor. It is totally consistent with the notion of a magnetic motor. Throughout the day, people were toying with that propeller. That alone convinced a lot of people that there is something unusual going on here.
The closest motor that might have action like this is a stepper motor, but some of the action of Yildiz motor is not consistent with a stepper motor.
Meanwhile, the propeller on the larger motor that had the brake on it, did not turn, due to the brake, consistent with the idea of the brake holding it in place, and its release allowing its movement.
Visitors
Several celebrities in the free energy movement visited the booth today and hung out for many hours. Adolph and Inge Schneider were there, and at least Adoph had shifted from his skepticism to a very definite optimism.
Giorgio Iacuzzo from Nexus Magazine was there, and I was able to do an interview for him.
The most surprising visitor and reaction, for me, was from a person who for now does not wish to be announced, but who is a very credible figure in the field, playing an incubating role. I thought for sure he would be among the most skeptical. But I heard him tell someone, in my presence, that he has been tracking the field of free energy for many years, hunting for legitimate technologies to assist, and of all the technologies he presently knows of, this one is the most promising.
He spent several hours with Mr. Yildiz last night, was at the booth much of the day yesterday, and almost all day today. He and Yildiz' team have a very good chemistry. He is going to be arranging a laboratory testing of the motor near the end of May, which will pass full scientific rigor. They plan on testing a motor with a 5 kW load, with all necessary observation, measurement, and protocol to fully vindicate the motor. Then, he plans to help them get the engineering needed to improve the reliability of the motor and to help bring it to market.
I talked with an investor with a European company that has annual revenue of 1.5 billion, who is visiting Defkalion next week. He's also interested in the Yildiz motor, and had dinner with the above-mentioned guy, myself, and several others this evening. Fascinating conversation enjoyed by all.
One of the guys at the table also doesn't want his face/identity to be published, but he goes by YoungTesla at YouTube, and upon hearing his many accounts, the name is quite fitting. While still at the expo, he showed us a "superbowl" video he posted to his channel, which shows a pot of water in an 800-year-old bowl he got from India, being brought over a stove. The water vibrated instead of boiling, and raised to 160 C and never boiled. I can't remember his explanation, but it sounded plausible. He said he also has built a working magnet motor but put it on hold due to being harassed by black SUVs and such.
He explained how he thinks the Yildiz motor works. He said that what the motor does is forward the eddy current to an advanced magnet to cause it to change properties. So instead of creating heat, the eddy current enables to motor to operate. This is consistent with the measurements we took yesterday that showed that while operating at around 2600 rpm, the motor did not heat up at all. Maybe 1 degree C above room temperature at the bearings. Normally, magnets passing by aluminum (which is what the motor walls are made of) creates heat. But no heat is created in Yildiz' motor.
Another highlight from the day was meeting with a group of four guys from Slovenia who drove 8 hours to see the Yildiz motor. They have created a company, ENSTROJ, bringing forward a super-efficient, high-power motor/generator, which is now in production, recently finishing a batch of 20 motors. It was measured by Siemens to have an efficiency of 96%, with power output from between 5 kw and 100 kw. It weighs 2-3 times less than competing motors, and costs 2-3 times less. It is a great technology to pair with something like the Yildiz motor. I shot a video interview with them.
One of their scientists is also involved in LENR research, and has ideas about how to create high torque in a compact package.
I also spent time visiting with a couple of businessmen, including Dr. Ing. Mihai Sanduleac, who came from Romania to see the demonstration. We hope to drive to France either tomorrow or Saturday to visit the guy who has the Kapagen motor there, if we can contact them and make an appointment.
Coming Sunday
On Sunday, Himansh Verma from India is flying in for the demo. He asked me today what I thought about it, and based on my recommendations, he's making the trip. We helped him get his visa last week.
Who is Himansh? He's the guy I've been talking about from India who is serving as free energy scout for the Chief Minister of Punjab, the northern province. He's the one with the self-looped motor-generator technology that is now going into production. They are building manufacturing plants; and they are entertaining licensing for this technology.
This is why I have been listing that technology as #1 in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies for a few months. The down side is that they are still many months away from these products actually being available for customers. It takes time to ramp up the manufacturing plants.
You might ask: "If they have this self-looped motor generator technology, using off-the-shelf motors and generators, at a low cost, why would the even bother to look at other technologies?" The answer is that they want a diverse portfolio and more than one solution. Hence, he is coming to Geneva to meet with the Yildiz magnet motor team.
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Presently (April 11, 2013 08:10:45 PM MST [GMT-8]) working on uploading videos shot today.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork (http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork) - channel where I'm uploading videos
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Mile High
I stand corrected and welcome your comments. It was a hypothetical (bad one at that) and one that has never been tested given I never found a magnetic motor that runs.
Kind Regards
mm.i knew it had something to do with eddy currents,magnets alone wouldnt be able to circumvent the 2nd law.i suspect the aluminum casing plays a role for eddy generation and gives rise to a unique isothermal cycle of adiabatic cooling/heating involving ambient heat input here.if a paramagnetic inductor with coil can give more energy on the kickback than was put in then a related phenomena can happen here,without battery
heres a hypothesis for you thinkers out there.what would happen if i 'flicked' a non-metallic magnet past a metallic one of equal gaus strength? Would eddy currents be generated only in the metallic one?and how would the eddy currents affect the magnetism in the metallic one momentarily? Gotta think bowt these things.
Quote from: wings on April 11, 2013, 03:33:40 PM
:)
not simple tuning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9)
Looking at these videos at list confirms, that he really is fiddling around with magnets. But it also shows it's just a work in progress. I found the very first picture with the magnetic "hills" interesting, especially with the inner and outer hills. Obviously he tried to construct the motor in a way it is permanently unbalanced (... ok, this is something everyone tries with magnet motors)
I still do wonder about the permanent rotations (even if it's only for a few hours). I'd guess that he somehow tried to keep the rotations alive with a small battery, which pulses a controller magnet or something.... and that the power generated is far greater than the one used by the controller...
Does not look like a scam to me anymore, but probably needs additional research.
Below are stills that I have captured from the video taken at the demo at the university in Netherlands,
images that may enhance the thought processes started in this topic about harnessing the eddy field geometry.
The rotor is made of plastic and so are a few of the stators, but some of the stators are for some reason made of aluminum.
A brief look at the rotor gives an estimate of approximately 250 magnets, and according to Yildiz there are another thousand magnets in the rest of the array.
Oh good grief.
In the video above, titled "magnet assist evidence", what is being shown is nothing more than a rotor on good bearings responding to a magnetically repulsive "hill", evidently a single one per rotation of the rotor. "You see the future"..... what a crock. You see the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWfHWJTlf0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWfHWJTlf0) (WARNING: FLICKERING FLASHING LIGHTS, don't watch if you have a seizure disorder or are sensitive to flicker. Look away if you feel nauseous.)
Here, in this video, from around 1:00 to around 2:00 I show the _exact same effect_ only with 4 hills per revolution in a powerful little fan, made in Taiwan years ago, that uses repulsion/attraction instead of just attraction alone. When the fan is not powered, a gentle push with the finger rotates the rotor around, and as it slows, you can see it getting the same "assist" that the makers of that video above want you to think is "the future". And when it slows even further, it begins to bounce back and forth between two of the potential hills, but since there are four in this fan instead of one, the bouncing takes up only a fraction of a full revolution, whereas in the Yildiz "motor" with a single active hill, the bounce takes up most of a full revolution.
You'd think Sterling had never seen a repultraction pulse motor before. Well, maybe he hasn't, most pulse motors are attracpulsion (Bedini) or core effect (Steorn) kind, and they do behave differently, showing a "quiver" as the rotor is locked in a potential valley, rather than the "bounce" between potential hills like a repultraction motor.
The nice collection of images from the disassembly misses the fact that the motor was not _completely_ disassembled at that demonstration. From what I understand, the entire lower half remained assembled, and only the bits that you see actually in those images were removed and passed around for inspection. Since it's made of identical modules.... that should be sufficient, right? Besides it's nearly time for lunch and Yildiz has a plane to catch....etc etc etc. Nobody, or at least nobody who is talking, perhaps not even Duarte, has actually seen the _whole thing_ disassembled. If you doubt this... why, if it was taken apart at Delft or Eindhoven, did Yildiz have to go hide in a closet for twenty minutes before being able to start it the first time at this demo? After all--- we've already seen the parts, right?
Right.
Quote from: markdansie on April 11, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
Hi TK
there is also some other possibilities.
1. A wind up spring lol (with enough tension anything is possible)
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
3. That many of the magnets are batteries in disguise (rather cool)
Of course there is the question of the mysterious controller Box
For the record I have been calling this one fraud for years, and one of the main reasons I have been banned of free energy news.
I have never seen any magnetic motors running self looped, or any other device that could sustain itself long enough to discount other energy sources.
I do enjoy your posts (despite your low opinion of me)
Kind Regards
Mark (Thailand at the moment)
Mark, I don't have a "low opinion" of you. I just think that you should share with your public, when you report on your trips and investigations, where the money came from to fund the trip and investigation. You don't have to be specific, just categorical: I paid for this trip and expenses myself with my own money, My sponsor or a group of interested potential investors paid for this with their money, The claimant paid all or part of the trip and expenses as part of his/her "validation".
The story of Mister Wayne Travis, who apparently paid for some of your expenses in an attempt to get your endorsement and/or help as a consultant, and who now is continuing to fail to demonstrate the "self runner" that he has claimed to have for years, is a case in point. He got months of credibility out of hiring you (in one way or another) as a consultant, but it wasn't clear in your reports that he was supporting your visit financially.
In case anyone is interested, every single one of my investigations that I have ever reported on here or on my YT account was paid for in full by me and myself only, with the single exception of Orbette 2.0, which was funded by an interested group of potential investors.
But we got to see the impressive Swiss Delegation! It was like WWI! Sterling is not in Kansas.
Try reading Sterling's demo report for April 11th. It's really awful and grotesque:
"I am even more convinced today than I was yesterday."
CONVINCED?. GOOD JOB STERLING!!. NOW WHAT? . A speech about KARMA?
Meanwhile, no power measured, no torque measured. Sterling is in the summer time.
Remember Allan: you travel to GENEVA thanks the efforts of hundreds of volunteers who paid for your trip and stay.
Let YILDIZ to do his "FAN DEMO FOR EVER", but you do your job!
Or refund the money to the people who paid for your assistance!
I know that Allan is not an engineer guy, so I am going to comment on one of your points, please don't take offense:
A video on Youtube IS NOT a scientific proof of anything!. You need to understand this, please!!!
Many witnesses claims the YILDIZ´S MOTOR can be stoped WITH ONE HAND.
Until now, this look a well done magic trick.
Please, can anyone talk with Sterling A and say this?
DO YOUR JOB STERLING! REMEMBER THIS!
In one of the videos where the big motor is not running, a man flicked the fan blade with one finger and it moved about 1/4 the rotation counter clockwise, original fan motors rotate clockwise, question is why did the fan move while it was clamped by the brakes? It should not >:( ,, with the power they claim you cannot reverse spin the rotor with just a flick of a finger? Just being skeptic of what i see... Any other comments on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DiuwXLU4v_8#t=450s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DiuwXLU4v_8#t=450s)
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Cc
Crazycut:
That was a very astute observation on your part. It makes you wonder if the Yildiz team told Sterling that there was a brake holding back the motor because it always wants to turn. It certainly doesn't look like that from your observation. Or did Sterling just assume that the motor always wants to turn after being told there was a brake inside the mechanism?
If one subscribes to the theory that the motor is being powered by batteries, then there is a possible explanation for starting and stopping the motor with a hammer and the alleged braking system. The possible explanation is that using the hammer is just theatrics to disguise the throwing of an on-off switch. The hit of the hammer also disguises the sound from the switch.
MileHigh
@crazy: do you mean the action that happens right at 7:34?
That is a standard model airplane "traction" propeller, it is designed to spin counterclockwise viewed from the front and blows air backwards. If it is rotated clockwise it will push the air forwards. The weird part isn't in the direction, but that it moves at all. I too thought that the thing was supposed to be "locked" by whatever starting mechanism is used, but apparently not. But then, the motor is under repair, so who knows if it is actually in running condition in that video.
It's fun to watch them with their little iphone magnetometers, isn't it? Kind of like a couple of children playing house, pretending to bake a cake using paper cups and a cardboard oven.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 12, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
The nice collection of images from the disassembly misses the fact that the motor was not _completely_ disassembled at that demonstration. From what I understand, the entire lower half remained assembled, and only the bits that you see actually in those images were removed and passed around for inspection. Since it's made of identical modules.... that should be sufficient, right? Besides it's nearly time for lunch and Yildiz has a plane to catch....etc etc etc. Nobody, or at least nobody who is talking, perhaps not even Duarte, has actually seen the _whole thing_ disassembled. If you doubt this... why, if it was taken apart at Delft or Eindhoven, did Yildiz have to go hide in a closet for twenty minutes before being able to start it the first time at this demo? After all--- we've already seen the parts, right?
Right.
@ TinselKoala,
Posting the images was solely material of intellectual interest for those in this thread who have decided do consider the Yildiz PM motor as no scam, you are perfectly aware that there are people here in this thread representing a quite different opinion than you and the dedicated sceptiscists.
As for myself, as I have said before, I want to keep an open mind until validation in any direction is confirmed, which means that I and several other members here are totally at ease with an objective standpoint, saying neither yes or no.
Keep in mind that your input is nothing more than your own personal opinion, no matter what experiences may back you up.
And be so kind to avoid interpreting everything deviating from your own belief posted here as intentions to prove anything valid.
Those of us preferring the open minded approach does really not enjoy being harassed as blind believers.
Soo please get off our backs and let those of us who wants extrapolate any possible theories that may be the effective cause behind a hypothetically functioning PM motor.
Thank you.
Thank you TK
I will in the future do full disclosure on myself.
In Mr Wayne's case he did provide an airfare when I visited on some occasions not all.
However no consulting fees were paid and in my visits I was on my own time or my companies time.
This has never influenced me as in some cases the inventors do pay for me, or the owner of the technology.
I have to be diligent that people do not use me for an endorsement (unless I actually do)
I have always said in this case it is not validated till I see it self running for two days, but there were enough engineers and others and some evidence suggesting it was a possibility. To date my condition has not been met.
However I am happy to be corrected by you and others, I am far from perfect but I do not seek public donations or crowd funding.
i guess I have done a lot of miles and busted a lot of technologies and to be honest it gets depressing after a while seeing 100% failure rate. It has cost me personally a lot of money for little or no return (like many of the good experimenters out there)
So I may have not met your high standards or others in this case, and willing to accept the criticism you dished out.
Most who know and met me in person know I am only interested in seeking the truth, and I rely on people far more qualified than I ever hope to be.
I hold you in High Regard TK you are one of the brightest mis guided genius I have ever come across.
Kind Regards
PS Yiltidz is a fake, and a scam artist and Sterling is guilty by association
Mark
Quote from: MileHigh on April 13, 2013, 03:51:08 AM
Crazycut:
That was a very astute observation on your part. It makes you wonder if the Yildiz team told Sterling that there was a brake holding back the motor because it always wants to turn. It certainly doesn't look like that from your observation. Or did Sterling just assume that the motor always wants to turn after being told there was a brake inside the mechanism?
If one subscribes to the theory that the motor is being powered by batteries, then there is a possible explanation for starting and stopping the motor with a hammer and the alleged braking system. The possible explanation is that using the hammer is just theatrics to disguise the throwing of an on-off switch. The hit of the hammer also disguises the sound from the switch.
MileHigh
Makes me really wonder.... ??? thanks...
regards
Cc
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 13, 2013, 04:24:45 AM
@crazy: do you mean the action that happens right at 7:34?
That is a standard model airplane "traction" propeller, it is designed to spin counterclockwise viewed from the front and blows air backwards. If it is rotated clockwise it will push the air forwards. The weird part isn't in the direction, but that it moves at all. I too thought that the thing was supposed to be "locked" by whatever starting mechanism is used, but apparently not. But then, the motor is under repair, so who knows if it is actually in running condition in that video.
It's fun to watch them with their little iphone magnetometers, isn't it? Kind of like a couple of children playing house, pretending to bake a cake using paper cups and a cardboard oven.
edited:
Yes, that's it! you are right about the prop. at this clip i thought it runs clockwise but counterclockwise...watch when the rotor stops...makes me think...hmmm....so much more to see to believe... :o
i kinda laugh when i watch the whole clip seeing them going back and forth like siamis twins...lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LJ-zlACdl9o#t=53s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LJ-zlACdl9o#t=53s)
thanks!
regards
cc
@sarbot,yeah thats the whole point man.to produce eddy currents at the precise location at precise time.this thing wouldnt work without interplay of eddies.a 2nd law thermodynamics violation requires current and magnetism to interplay in pulses much like an inductor core.
Hi Profits
do you really have any evidence or data to support your theory?
Mark
Quote from: profitis on April 13, 2013, 11:34:20 AM
@sarbot,yeah thats the whole point man.to produce eddy currents at the precise location at precise time.this thing wouldnt work without interplay of eddies.a 2nd law thermodynamics violation requires current and magnetism to interplay in pulses much like an inductor core.
What I find interesting in the movie clip, is when the motor is being switched off, it appears to have no magnetic cogging, but smoothly slows down to a stop. Not at all what you would expect from a magnet motor.
Liberty
well markdansie ive got evidence of an electrochemical 2nd law violation here in front of me.You can chek the vid i posted of it recently on this forum.if ive got evidence of an electrochemical 2nd law violation then theres nothing to exclude the possibility of an electromagnetic 2nd law violation frm being feasable and it throws a whole lota light on this man: steven.j.smith.google 'steven.j.smith magnetothermodynamics' to see exacly how an simple inductor can circumvent the 2nd law.
@liberty the only thing we can realy judge from the videos is that the thing turns for some time.thats it.so we are stuck with our hypotheses to go on.maybe he has a gear in there that detaches shaft from the rest of the thing inside?
Another USELESS video from STERLING ALLAN.
Ohhh my GOD!!. Please see this!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRbZeUhrIs
People want some VALIDATION not the neverending story.
Sound to us exactly like Muammer Yildiz want to keep this show for ever ... he did not want to validate or produce any real product.
STERLING, I have a feeling there is a backlash waiting for you when you get back to the real world.
Not a smart move Mr Allan, you were FUNDED (money) to cover the Yildiz´s VALIDATION.
- - - YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - -
Sterling is being beat-up pretty bad on this one – perhaps deservingly so – but I feel a little empathy and compassion would be more constructive.
It may be that the biggest problem is that Sterling lost his center and went over the deep end. He excommunicated those around him who offered him valid and healthy doses of skepticism when needed. He now appears to see only what he wants to see to the point he seems to be a bit detached from reality....especially when a grounding reality-check is needed most. In the past there may have been friends around to shake him awake, but no more.
The result is he is now spending peoples money foolishly and has little or nothing to offer in return....at least no solid facts or verifications that people who donate want to receive. That said, many knew before hand that this venture was a waste of time. Even Sterling knew – via the help of others who were doing some real observation and math – that the 380 Watt claim was total and complete BS.
That one blatant deception alone should have been enough to end the charade. When someone is caught red-handed exposing an obvious misleading and dishonest claim, then you can probably be certain that there is a hell of a lot more fraud and treachery going on behind the scene.
I really like old Sterling. He's a great, hard working guy, who has put together tons of quality information on energy that I'm sure all of use and appreciate.
I hope this fiasco wakes up some healthy skepticism in him that helps him be more observant and diligent in the future....where he no longer sees just what he wants to see, but rather more of what is real.
Hi James
Sterling ignores many technical and engineering advisers. He was informed late last year bi reputable scientists and engineers the doubts raised by those involved in Yilditz. The only suppression is Sterling s own site where at least 50% of the posts are removed and edited.
Many have foolishly invested in the past with people on Sterlings advice. He just brushes each failure as if it never happened and runs of after the next Squirel. He is the false prophet, delusional and brought the free energy arena into disrepute.
Sadly people will continue to donate and support in, I have no problem with that, everyone has a choice.
Sterling never learns, I have no sympathy as and will never change.
Kind Regards
Mark
Was there a live broadcast on the last day of the show?
The one thing that has always bothered me is the fallout from Sterling's attitude, and that is the potential for enabling and abetting criminality. John Rohner and Intelligentry come to mind right away.
Yildiz was a bust..... But for $200 Sterling will point you towards somebody that will sell you a one-kilowatt free energy motor-generator. Just take my advice and don't send any money to anybody until the skeptics sign off on it!!!
MileHigh
Mark,
Thanks for your reply.
It's sad to hear that. But you have been on the inside and no-doubt know a hell of a lot more of what is going on than us on the outside.
You're probably correct is stating that people will continue to donate...but my guess is that this latest Yilditz circus is the back-breaking straw for many folks. Personally, when I have a few extra I send beer money over to the MFMP guys (anonymously...so don't tell any one). There is no doubting the honesty and integrity there. I love those guys.
Along those same lines, I am a fan of yours and always look forward to your Scarecrow shows.
Good luck in your ventures.
jt
gentlemen,gentlemen,relax,sterling is just a reporter/journalist,not a bloody physicist.we wouldnt hav had any footage if it wasnt for him.
Profitis, I disagree about Sterling only being a reporter....you left out the word investigative reporter/journalist...and he ain't doing no investigat'n. Even if he was just a reporter, then he is obliged to report the facts to the very best of his ability rather than reinforce and support less than noble efforts.
Within the "free energy" field, Sterling is in a very powerful position where his websites are the most visited and looked to for valid information, and he is a spokes person who reaches millions via such places as Coast to Coast radio.
The "free energy" field is a very controversial one....where the huge majority think it is all just insane, pie-in-the-sky, BS. Which means if you want to help make any positive head-way in it, you better get your facts right or you end-up suppling more shit to the BS'ers. You do more harm than good.
I'm not as down on Sterling as Mark is (yet), but that's probably just do to my ignorance. However I'm starting to lean towards the feeling that Sterling might just be sabotaging the free energy movement. Not purposely or consciously, but rather because he somehow got lost along the way and can no longer relate to reality. He seems to be the first to fall for anything and everything.
I could send him a video of me lighting a fart on fire, and he'd have me in the top five position next week. It's just getting crazy.
I'm a little worried for him.
oh 4godsakes james,the only reason that sterlings site is in such a powerful position in the first place is BECAUSE he reports on anything and evrything.imagine he only reported on machines that truly worked,he would have only 5posts or maybe less.and the public still wouldnt know any better.his website is doing the free energy movement grace in my opinion simply by stimulating people,s imagination.
Profitis,
I respect your opinion. Certainly Sterlings work, like everything in life, is neither black or white, all good or all bad. You choose to see only the good, and I feel that is an admiral trait in many situations...one that I have as well. No problem.
It's just that I feel – and perhaps I'm wrong – that Sterling has a paramount position in the free-energy movement. Who else do you know whose opinion and reporting influences so many in this field? And indeed his just being here has spurred many of us on..me included.
I applaud him for that.
It is just this influence that he has on people, the fact he does "stimulate peoples imagination" like you say, that should make him accountable, honest and straight-forward in what he shares with us.
If you were in a same place of influence, knowing your reporting touched the minds and motivations of many, how true would you be to the facts and validity behind your words? Painfully so, I would guess.
The more people you touched, the more you would investigate and work towards reporting genuine and truly helpful information supporting and strengthening the cause of free energy and a better home planet. You would hold your own feet to the fire to ensure the very best, open-minded, investigative, no-stones-unturned reporting you could possibly muster. Many people are counting on you. You're true to the cause and you won't fuck with them. I bet real money you would feel this way...wouldn't you. I know I would.
We either admit Sterling's words, videos and reporting influences thousands, or it does not. If his work touches few, then he can blow bubbles out his ass all day, and so what. Little harm done. But that is not the case is it? No! It's not.
Our dear Sterling IS in a position to influence many thousands. So he must have his feet held to the fire...weather you or he, likes it or not. To just let him be and ignore the fuck-ups is to turn our backs on what may be an important piece of the movement to save humanity.
You're free Profitis, to just shrug this off as meaningless venting. But I think if you do, you are missing the bigger important picture.
Sterling has gone off the deep end, and so his reporting – that so very many of us count on – is becoming more and more nonsensical and insubstantial. The more it focuses on the disingenuous, the more it subtracts from the real and valid efforts in this world changing movement.
It doesn't have to be this way. Many of us here love and appreciate old Sterling. I do. So we may be able to help make a shift of things by offering a serious effort to kindly, gently and lovingly BITCH SLAP some sense back into him.
If you think I'm nuts Profitis, then ignore my posts. Don't give me another opportunity to expound.
That said, I thank for your comments made so far as they are helping clarify my feelings.
Hugs and kisses,
jt
Sterling needs a consultant to help him report on various free energy propositions. Without a consultant it's like he is flying blind.
One thing I noticed about the Yildiz case is that he was in denial about the mechanical draw of the fan. He was deluged with information from many people were the consensus was that the mechanical draw of the fan was somewhere between 5 and 30 watts. This was both before the show and after the first day of the show when we got to see the fan they were using and the RPM.
With all of that information he still made a clip from the show where he stated that the fan load was about 380 watts.
It seems that people with free energy propositions can tell Sterling almost anything, and he will simply accept it without saying anything. That is really not healthy at all. In many cases people tell Sterling one thing, and then a few days later say something completely different and Sterling says nothing. Look at the case of the smaller motor where there was supposed to be a "glove test" where you could "feel the power" by trying to brake the motor while holding the shaft. The small motor never ran and Sterling probably never challenged the Yildiz team about the non-delivery of this test. On top of that the Yildiz excuse was that there was "no controller" and again Sterling probably never questioned that.
It got a bit surreal when Sterling was commenting on the "sticky spot" for the small non-working motor as if it was something special. Sterling has probably been familiar with this concept for 10 years and everybody knows it means nothing.
Not a happy story and Sterling will get some flack when he gets back.
Sterling is open minded, some call it naive. As investigating reporter he has the right mindset to walk over thin ice, that FE experiments are. OU devices turn up out of unexpected directions. Inventors are not that easy people to cope with. More and more people are interested and some are deeply involved in the FE field. It's good that Sterling visited the inventors fair in Geneva, as flying reporter, to write on his blog about the Yildiz motor. It is my only source of fresh information, even if there is no final breaktrough to report. Also Adolf and Inge Schneider are inquisitive enough to represent the Europeen FE movement in there writings and conferences. It's a fascinating Quest For Overunity as JLNlabs calls it. To me this quest is also important rather than to concentrate only on the goal. I am glad that this OU forum is there to exchange personal experience's and doubt's. It's hard not to judge about FE inventions that are not yet validated. My viewpoint depends on the information out of the field, people like Sterling who go to visit physically the inventor/invention to report first hand info. But yes, I like more distance from the subject and more knowledge in the field of technics. That is the core of good journalism. I don't have any problem to donate money to get such a person via crowdfunding to the hot spot. Not a bad idea to go that way here in Europe. That together with a good edited FE blog I promise many views and interactions. Sorry, when I didn't mention here the many curious people doing, already for years, good work in the FE field.
yeah yeah james.i feel you son,i feel you.ok,youre dismissed.
no @milehigh.sterling has plenty enough consultants.that ken ruan guy on his team is no ignomous,he has extensive knowledge on physics and chemistry.
and @markdansie im shocked.didnt sterling promote your eefg mate?
Hi Profits
It was not my device, but I have been assisting (they do some work out of our lab)
We were not after any promotion but we did Sterling a favor as he did pass the lead onto me during my travels.
That project is doing well and independently funded.
On the side before I knew better, myself and others like me wasted thousands on Sterling's wild goose chases. Like Africa last year. However we take responsibility for that, we soon learned not to trust his technical assessment or the fact he only reports what is "positive" of supports the claim, not any other data. Often the other data is overwhelmingly the other way as in the case of Yilditz. He just conveniently forgot to report all that when he asked for your money.
The work of a true spin doctor
Mark
@Mark -- I appreciate that you have traveled extensively and studied many alleged "ou" devices.
May I ask -- have you seen ANY such devices that are
1. Clearly "ou", to your satisfaction
and
2. Produce > 10 Watts of net power?
I have seen your video of the small disk-collector and that is fascinating, but does not seem to produce over 10 W. (Correct?)
If you have seen such a device (or devices), can you tell us at least what TYPE of device it is or who developed it?
(I've just completed a study of the Gegene approach using an induction cooktop and found no evidence at this time for ou, using calorimetric methods for the output power. That is one "type." I'm returning to electrolysis studies in light water -- another "type". )
If Sterling is open minded, IS NOT EXCUSE TO BE BE A LIAR.
He requested the funds "specifically" to travel and validate (somehow) the Yidilz´s motor.
If he wants a holidays in the Swiss Alps, then ... HE PAYS WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
I disagree about Sterling only being a reporter ... you left out the word "investigative" ...and he ain't doing no investigation.
What investigacion did Steling? Only I can see a stupid boy, filming his adventures of teenager.
I'm starting to lean towards the feeling that Sterling might just be sabotaging the free energy movement. He seems to be the first to fall for anything and everything.
I have taken the trouble to investigate (something that STERLING did not), and I call to TU DELFT, and TU Eindhoven universities.
These are the universities where Yildiz made his DEMOS. Remember?.
Well, I could talk with some professors of these universities, and I was very surprised that they told me about the Yildiz DEMO.
I'm gathering more information and I will give you.
Take in advance this: Yildiz simply is a scam!!
Only 2 calls were enough, and did not need to do this whole charade!!
- - - STERLING YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - -
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 15, 2013, 01:15:23 AM
Take in advance this: Yildiz simply is a scam!!
Only 2 calls were enough, and did not need to do this whole charade!!
- - - STERLING YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - -
? you are sure of your statements ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0)
http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979 (http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979)
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf
Hi Wings
In answer to your question
Yes
Kind Regards
Mark
Hi Joule Seeker
Thank you for sharing your experience
The device I demonstrated in Holland is only in the micro-watts, not even a milli-watts.
I will leave out LENR out of the following statements as there appears to be something worth researching further:
1. I and many others I know have never seen a device demonstrate any over-unity or a self running closed loop system.
2. I have never seen a self running magnetic motor that did not run without the assistance of another energy input
3. I have never seen a gravity or buoyancy device self run long enough where other inputs could not be discounted
4. i have never seen any evidence that a noble gas engine could run with more output than input
5. I have never seen any technologies sterling has listed, reported on that have held up to the claims.
This does not mean nothing is out there, just that the history has not been kind
Hope that is helpful
Kind Regards
Mark
Dear All,
Very whise? words from every one here!
Can some one than also explain, why the coins are sticking at the outside of his Magnet-Motor?
Kind regards,
Johan Oostrom
www.oostrom-technics.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL
Quote from: wings on April 15, 2013, 01:36:12 AM
? you are sure of your statements ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0)
http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979 (http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979)
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf)
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Quote from: markdansie on April 15, 2013, 04:42:57 AM
Hi Joule Seeker
Thank you for sharing your experience
The device I demonstrated in Holland is only in the micro-watts, not even a milli-watts.
I will leave out LENR out of the following statements as there appears to be something worth researching further:
1. I and many others I know have never seen a device demonstrate any over-unity or a self running closed loop system.
2. I have never seen a self running magnetic motor that did not run without the assistance of another energy input
3. I have never seen a gravity or buoyancy device self run long enough where other inputs could not be discounted
4. i have never seen any evidence that a noble gas engine could run with more output than input
5. I have never seen any technologies sterling has listed, reported on that have held up to the claims.
This does not mean nothing is out there, just that the history has not been kind
Hope that is helpful
Kind Regards
Mark
Thank you, Mark, for your reply.
I also find LENR to be in a class by itself with intriguing hints of "anomalous heat episodes." Personally I find the work at NRL and Univ. of Missouri to provide the most clear evidence.
The presence of radio emissions in conjunction with the anomalous heat episodes is particularly surprising.
Quote"Applying the Scientific Method to Understanding Anomalous Heat Effects: Opportunities and Challenges."
The 18th International Conference on Cold Fusion will be held on July 21-27th at the University of Missouri, in Columbia, Missouri...
I'm considering attending this meeting. Is anyone else going? The problem-- high registration fees:
QuoteRegistration Fees
Conference Registration Early Bird Rate
through May 31, 2013 Regular Rate
after May 31, 2013
Professional $600.00 $700.00
Student $250.00 $300.00
Accompanying Person $100.00 $100.00
NI/MU Post Conference Workshop July 28 – Aug 2 $300.00 $350.00
$600, even if you register early (by May 31, 2013)
So, as I said before, the geneva expo would be the final conclusion to wether Yildiz is a scammer or not and it has showed us that he is indeed a scammer.
The motor kept having problems over and over again when until the expo it never had a single problem, they had a backup motor (a smaller one) but it was not fit for work demonstration instead it was purely for visualization only.
The live feed never went up with the intent of showing the motor runing non-stop with excuses that in the first day the internet there wasn't good enough so they got a better one and... nothing, no live feed again.
No tests were conducted during the moments where the motor batteries had juice, again no scientific results were delivered.
With all this scam and tactics to avoid showing the truth about the machine it ended up making it the final nail in his coffin and along with it the PesWiki network has lost a huge amount of donators and people that were actually looking forward to decent reports, instead they were giving "christian hope" talk and a truly biased person that is fully promoting a scam, probably even getting a share of the money from Yildiz (wouldn't doubt it after what happened).
Case closed, Yildiz is a scammer, J.Duarte is another proof that Brazillians are into free energy scams again and Sterling has lost his credibility.
I am sad to say that I was right all along, a machine concept like that is really something that I truly want to be made reality but history and science prevails strong for another day.
thanks for clarifying @markdansie.b.t.w.,that eefg is probably the first properly working 2nd law violation that you have seen,probably rectification of random current at expense of ambient heat in my opinion,ie.massive dark current.if you take a infrared photo of it while in action you may see sharp distinction of cold and warm sections on it.the principal behind that thing is by no means limited to just that thing and i dont believe that that will be the last 2nd law violation that you will see sir.
@jouleseeker,youre doing light water electrolysis?may i ask if youve seen any sign of excess heat yet?have you tried a larger variety of cathodes than just nickel?ive always wondered if there are elements that might trump nickel and tungsten and of course palladium for lenr purposes.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 15, 2013, 11:27:53 AM
So, as I said before, the geneva expo would be the final conclusion to wether Yildiz is a scammer or not and it has showed us that he is indeed a scammer.
The motor kept having problems over and over again when until the expo it never had a single problem, they had a backup motor (a smaller one) but it was not fit for work demonstration instead it was purely for visualization only.
The live feed never went up with the intent of showing the motor runing non-stop with excuses that in the first day the internet there wasn't good enough so they got a better one and... nothing, no live feed again.
No tests were conducted during the moments where the motor batteries had juice, again no scientific results were delivered.
With all this scam and tactics to avoid showing the truth about the machine it ended up making it the final nail in his coffin and along with it the PesWiki network has lost a huge amount of donators and people that were actually looking forward to decent reports, instead they were giving "christian hope" talk and a truly biased person that is fully promoting a scam, probably even getting a share of the money from Yildiz (wouldn't doubt it after what happened).
Case closed, Yildiz is a scammer, J.Duarte is another proof that Brazillians are into free energy scams again and Sterling has lost his credibility.
I am sad to say that I was right all along, a machine concept like that is really something that I truly want to be made reality but history and science prevails strong for another day.
Did you go to Geneva?
Me yes, one car travel day, and I saw a working magnet engin. Not like mine that always finish to stop without I want.
But I also saw physician professor that was not able to present any argument to the Dutch camera, but continue to criticize without taking any risc that they get any proof of his missing of open mind in the future.
But forum are also like this. It is easy to stay hidden and criticize without knowledge.
I can say like Gallilée about the earth "and yet it rotates".
Maybe that work because of an gyroscopic effect is present, this video can be an answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OWRyYYX7JxE
In fact, I don't know very much but maybe.
Quote from: PiCéd on April 15, 2013, 02:14:04 PM
In fact, I don't know very much but maybe.
In fact you say anything, the gyroscopique effect does not attract and move Coin, and has no gauss value.
You are in the wrong thread.
Hi Profits
not sure if it is a violation of any laws, we are not sure what is powering it at this stage, will be fun to find out.
I also agree it will be the only example if it is
Kind Regards
Quote from: DomiChi on April 15, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
Did you go to Geneva?
Me yes, one car travel day, and I saw a working magnet engin. Not like mine that always finish to stop without I want.
But I also saw physician professor that was not able to present any argument to the Dutch camera, but continue to criticize without taking any risc that they get any proof of his missing of open mind in the future.
But forum are also like this. It is easy to stay hidden and criticize without knowledge.
I can say like Gallilée about the earth "and yet it rotates".
I don't need to go to Geneva to see more than what it has been shown after his 15 years of scam. No proof, no tests, no fully open after working motor, not a dime. In fact there is a lot of proof that it is in fact a scam.
He made a bigger motor for geneva than the one he had before and said he was going to take there, which has a bigger housing for more batteries.
He changed the fan to a much less load intensive one, a RC toy plane fan which was suppose to run for the entire duration of the Expo.
Since taking away the motor to change the batteries would be too much of a scandal he decided to come up with some lame excuse that there was a problem with it and because of that he couldn't make it work again. He had a smaller motor as backup but it was only for visualization so thats that. He said that some of the 1200 magnets broke when the motor doesn't even have space for more than 250, right there he lied.
Not one renowned person in this kind of field has ever demonstrated any interest in such "miraculous" machine because they know better, not even after all the publicity stunts they pulled.
Now if you still want to keep your blind belief going that is ok with me but don't try to shove it down my throat when you have absolutely nothing to backup Yildiz's claims and I can tell you this:
Notice when he does that magician trick with the hammer to start the motor? Did you notice how damn fast that thing spins to the top speed that is being held by the lenz coils so the machine won't destroy itself? Now pay close attention because this is the best part...
The machine starts up instantly to top speed, which means that the magnetic load is very strong. The motor has no electric parts, we both know that, right? Those wires are just the lenz coils, they are not connected anywhere so we can discard them.
But what happens when he strikes with the hammer again? Does it stop instantly? As per the opposite of the starting point as it should? Since it is a mechanical device which achieves top speed instantly then it is under load before start which means that it is under load after stopping aswell so... why doesn't it stop instantly? It is a brake afterall, he said it himself "the starting and stopping mechanism is a brake that holds the main shaft in place" but instead it goes down slowly until it stops on its own, as if it was a electric motor runing and then turned off... Why won't it stop instantly when the break is activated?
Because it is a electric motor and because it is a scam, for 15 years the guy has been playing the same tune and no one has ever noticed this? Come on, humanity...
just take an infrared shot of it while its working mark.if its cooler than ambient on one side of the disk then its definitly a 2nd law bust.
Quotejust take an infrared shot of it while its working mark.if its cooler than ambient on one side of the disk then its definitly a 2nd law bust.
The "don't be shy" test for the show would have been a real load, say 1000 watts. They claim the motor outputs 20 horsepower, so that would not be an issue.
Simple setup: Motor driving an alternator. The alternator connects to a transformer that bumps the voltage up to 120 VAC. You connect that up to a basic cooking grill, so the frequency doesn't have to be 60 Hz. During the whole show you cook hotdogs on the grill and give them away. Have continuous monitoring of the RMS voltage on the grill, you don't even need an ammeter. (The grill has to be big enough to be on all the time, which I am guessing is not an issue.) Edit: Just put a big pot of water on the grill to boil. Then the grill can be on all the time without a risk of it going into thermonuclear meltdown.
That test is a reasonable test to do based on the claims. A real-world test like that is the way to make your case. The fact that a simple test like this is never done is implicit proof that this is a scam.
Think heat not cold!
Quote from: Johan_1955 on April 15, 2013, 04:45:09 AM
Dear All,
Very whise? words from every one here!
Can some one than also explain, why the coins are sticking at the outside of his Magnet-Motor?
Kind regards,
Johan Oostrom
www.oostrom-technics.com (http://www.oostrom-technics.com)
http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL (http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL)
The coins are sticking because they are ferromagnetic, and the motor contains a bunch of strong magnets inside it. In many countries with fiat currency, the coins are actually some cheap metal like iron, or steel, which are attracted to magnetic fields, or zinc, which is diamagnetic and is slightly repelled by them. Then the coins are plated or coated with some colorful shiny metal that looks like copper, silver, or gold. I'm glad you live in a country where the banksters don't do this funny game with money. Or do you?
Quote from: PiCéd on April 15, 2013, 02:14:04 PM
Maybe that work because of an gyroscopic effect is present, this video can be an answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OWRyYYX7JxE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OWRyYYX7JxE)
In fact, I don't know very much but maybe.
At least you admit it... ;)
Please take a look at the website of the publishers of that interesting video. That one is a good one, but it's not my personal favourite.
Quote from: profitis on April 15, 2013, 06:32:57 PM
just take an infrared shot of it while its working mark.if its cooler than ambient on one side of the disk then its definitly a 2nd law bust.
Disagree. Given the data: say that a measurement of a cooler-than-ambient side was confirmed as accurate. How many other explanations can you, or anyone else, think of for that measurement to exist? There may be many, that do not violate 2LoT at all. Not until you rule out _each and every one_ of those possible alternative explanations, preferably by experiment, may you reasonably assert "then its definitly a 2nd law bust". Sorry, but that's just the way it goes. And that is _if_ the measurement is accurate, reliable, obtained without bias or fraud, repeatable.... etc etc. If not, so much the worse for the "definite bust".
Hi for all,
As I told you, I've got evidence that the Yildiz´s motor is a scam, and STERLING IS THE BIGGEST STUPID for failing to investigate anything.
He based his conclusions only for the videos on YouTube, and the Yildiz words. Never was critical ... or think: what could be behind this?
Thousands of times in the PES forum was said: Sterling, the power must be measured!
He didn´t listen anyone from his own forum!!.
Well, the truth has been revealed: the Yildiz´s motor is a big fake and a BIG SCAM.
I have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.
But I've gone a step further: I could got the telephone from a ex-partner of Yildiz who knows how the scam is made.
The secret is very simple: the Yildiz´s motors has a battery hidden in the bottom. The engine does not work more than 4 hours.
The problem is this person speaks german and I don't. Is there anybody in the forum that speaks german? Please, send me a PM for coordinate.
When the scam to be exposed, I would like the truth to be known not only in Overunity.com, but also in PES forum, and all the radios where Steling was promoting the Yildiz´s motor. Let us not allow the scams.
Many things might just be sabotaging the free energy movement: the lack of critical thinking and stupidity.
STERLING: Only a few calls were enough, and did not need to do this whole charade!!
Money back who paid for your trip to Geneva.
- - - - - YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - - - -
Quote from: shadowpt on April 15, 2013, 05:44:36 PM
No proof, no tests, no fully open after working motor, not a dime. In fact there is a lot of proof that it is in fact a scam.
My dog is able to hunt; I never need to open it to see how.
On this forum, everybody is able to criticize, but nobody have ability to propose something working better than the M.Yildiz engine.
I try myself to build a magnet engine, and on the small Yildiz engine I recognized in Geneva (because I went in Geneva palexpo) magnet motor behavior. I have a long career in industry in electrotechnic, and the Yildiz engine has not the behavior of any kind of electrical engine that I know.
If you tread Yilidiz as hustler without any proof, I can say the same about you all rumor maker(s). And I ask myself if it is not you (perhaps only one person) which are paid buy fuel company to avoid that free energy solution may born. You, honest people, think about that.
All these scam hunters are all hidden troll on this forum.
But if you are so well informed about battery having so much power, I'd like that you give reference of these batteries. And also electronics that allow simulate the magnet motor behavior without heating.
When you say
QuoteI have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.[/qoute]Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with M.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
My dog is able to hunt; I never need to open it to see how.
On this forum, everybody is able to criticize, but nobody have ability to propose something working better than the M.Yildiz engine.
I try myself to build a magnet engine, and on the small Yildiz engine I recognized in Geneva (because I went in Geneva palexpo) magnet motor behavior. I have a long career in industry in electrotechnic, and the Yildiz engine has not the behavior of any kind of electrical engine that I know.
If you tread Yilidiz as hustler without any proof, I can say the same about you all rumor maker(s). And I ask myself if it is not you (perhaps only one person) which are paid buy fuel company to avoid that free energy solution may born. You, honest people, think about that.
All these scam hunters are all hidden troll on this forum.
But if you are so well informed about battery having so much power, I'd like that you give reference of these batteries and where we can buy them. And also electronics that allow simulate the magnet motor behavior without heating.
When you say
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 16, 2013, 12:56:09 AM
I have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.
Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with J.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
Quote from: shadowpt on April 15, 2013, 05:44:36 PM
Why won't it stop instantly when the break is activated?
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Shadow is certainly a good pseudo for you. No consistency, only avoid that somebody else gets the light.
Hi DomiChi
There is no evidence presented by Yilditz or his merry band of cool aide drinkers that he has something working.
Until he does, and tested in forms acceptable to the community at large then he is of no significance except to those persons he has taken money from in the past.
keep the dream alive
Mark
tinselkoala,actually thers very few explanations besides a 2nd law bust for marks little battery under the said circumstances.come down the list with me for a second:ambient vibration,ambient light,ambient radiowaves,,,all of those things wouldnt change the temperature of it at all.chemical slow oxidation?,,would make it warmer than ambient.nuclear?..warmer than ambient.2nd law violation?..sharply cooler than ambient on one 1 side,sharply warmer on the other,sticks out like a sore thumb.
Quote from: markdansie on April 16, 2013, 05:14:53 AM
Hi DomiChi
There is no evidence presented by Yilditz or his merry band of cool aide drinkers that he has something working.
Until he does, and tested in forms acceptable to the community at large then he is of no significance except to those persons he has taken money from in the past.
keep the dream alive
Mark
I was in Geneva, and for me it was evident that I will not put my fingers in the fan.
I have try to do myself some magnet engines, and I too well know the rebound that I had. He had it also until the engine is launch. The difference with mine is that mine slow down and finish to stop. The M.Yildiz system increases its speed.
For me M.Yildiz project has to be industrialized (avoid weak conception which break the parts) and have a better marketing, But with a good mechanical conception to avoid ball bearing problem and magnets moving and broking, this engine will be great for future. I do not say it is a finish product, but M. Yildiz nor, he is searching some industrial investor to make it industrial. But everybody saying it is a scam will not help him to find one. Do you know another one on market? I think you will answer NO. But it is normal, physicians are afraid to be push in uncomfortable zone, but I have nothing to lose in saying what I saw. If Yildiz solution is only able to drive fan, imagine the consumption of all the buildings ventilation in the world, even in your house.
Just with this function, theorist will have to explain the phenomena, and that is a big step for humanity. Just for that I will support all working device, and I saw it working without external power. And I am not foolish, I do not dream my travel to Geneva. I saw other OU system in Geneva. But this one is alone to let me see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 15, 2013, 07:14:31 PM
The fact that a simple test like this is never done is implicit proof that this is a scam.
No, it is just a proof that people like you, do not help M.Yildiz to find fund to build industrial product.
We have to spend more money on proof (Sterling travel) than to have good ball bearings and mechanical engineer in Yildiz team.
Do you know risk investor? With your comment they will not invest on OU system.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 02:34:36 AM
My dog is able to hunt; I never need to open it to see how.
On this forum, everybody is able to criticize, but nobody have ability to propose something working better than the M.Yildiz engine.
I try myself to build a magnet engine, and on the small Yildiz engine I recognized in Geneva (because I went in Geneva palexpo) magnet motor behavior. I have a long career in industry in electrotechnic, and the Yildiz engine has not the behavior of any kind of electrical engine that I know.
If you tread Yilidiz as hustler without any proof, I can say the same about you all rumor maker(s). And I ask myself if it is not you (perhaps only one person) which are paid buy fuel company to avoid that free energy solution may born. You, honest people, think about that.
All these scam hunters are all hidden troll on this forum.
But if you are so well informed about battery having so much power, I'd like that you give reference of these batteries. And also electronics that allow simulate the magnet motor behavior without heating.
When you say QuoteI have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.[/qoute]Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with M.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
And magicians can make elephants disappear out of thin air, doesn't mean its real. You make the worst comparissons possible, a animal compared with a mechanical motor.
I have the history of scammers and the lack of any evidence brought by Yildiz to prove that you are wrong, what do you have? Nothing beside pure belief, just like Sterling.
Want to find out the truth? Just record the motor under a thermal view camera after 3 hours of continuous work, I am pretty sure that the bottom of the machine will get a bit hot with all those laptop batteries. If it is true then the entire motor should have the heat signature uniform since it is all symetrical. Food for thought.
You recognize the motor behaviour and that makes you believe that he is talking the truth? Perendev's motor also has the exact same stopping behaviour, what does that tell you? Isn't Perendev anymore of a scammer because of that? Ask Yildiz why did he lied when he said that some of the "1200" magnets broke when the machine doesn't even hold more than 250 and ask him why didn't anyone invested in him after seeing such miraculous machine. I am really curious about that.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 02:54:27 AM
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Shadow is certainly a good pseudo for you. No consistency, only avoid that somebody else gets the light.
You are comparing a continuous load motor to a start/stop combustion motor, it is purely an ignorant comparisson. According to what Yildiz said the machine is always on magnetic load and the brake is used to hold that stationary or release it into rotation.
I have poor mechanical understanding of brake efficiency? As far as I know a mechanical brake that is engaged with a swift hammer striker is suppose to put the entire system to a halt at that moment, not letting it slowly stop on its own as if the batteries were turned off. Watch some more perendev motors and see how alike they both stop.
Again I have more proof that he is a scammer and none of you "believers" have anything except the claims of the Yildiz's team and fancy sideshow videos with coins on top and magnet readings. Remember the video showing him runing a small "electric" car with only his motor? Why would he do that and then say that load tests couldnt be conducted due to the shaft main bearing being weak? Where is our 30 day tests that he promised?
Dodge dodge dodge until more people fall for the scam.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 06:44:06 AM
No, it is just a proof that people like you, do not help M.Yildiz to find fund to build industrial product.
We have to spend more money on proof (Sterling travel) than to have good ball bearings and mechanical engineer in Yildiz team.
Do you know risk investor? With your comment they will not invest on OU system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZELZQOuIASU
Now tell me why does he keep lying about the motor not having good bearings for load tests? You keep talking and talking but nothing of what you say is even contributing to yildiz's side. We have to spend more money on proof for another Sterling's vacation and at best worst report ever done by a person? Yeah, not gonna happen again after that.
Why don't you join Yildiz if you are so certain of yourself? Ask him what can you do to help him, how much money he is asking, by all means dive into that scam and stop trying to convince everyone else that knows better.
@milehigh,yes he couldve done that but it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor in the motor casing.he has to prove to his investors,not us,that therz no power source inside there.to us he just has to show the fan turning nonstop without stopping,and without interference,without slowing, for a coupla weeks,a steorn setup without one single break or inteference wouldve been great.he fell short by not preparing adequately long beforehand to ensure zero breaks,interferences in this demo.paranoia about theft was also not advantageous here.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 16, 2013, 07:31:22 AM
And magicians can make elephants disappear out of thin air, doesn't mean its real. You make the worst comparissons possible, a animal compared with a mechanical motor.
Why do you need to open it if we can external see that it works.
I have the history of scammers and the lack of any evidence brought by Yildiz to prove that you are wrong, what do you have? Nothing beside pure belief, just like Sterling.
Want to find out the truth? Just record the motor under a thermal view camera after 3 hours of continuous work, I am pretty sure that the bottom of the machine will get a bit hot with all those laptop batteries. If it is true then the entire motor should have the heat signature uniform since it is all symetrical. Food for thought.
You recognize the motor behaviour and that makes you believe that he is talking the truth? Perendev's motor also has the exact same stopping behaviour, what does that tell you? Isn't Perendev anymore of a scammer because of that? Ask Yildiz why did he lied when he said that some of the "1200" magnets broke when the machine doesn't even hold more than 250 and ask him why didn't anyone invested in him after seeing such miraculous machine. I am really curious about that.
With this paragraph, i can see that that you do not spend long time to document yourself about the M.YILDIZ engine. Look at the drawings and you will see all the magnets at 3 levels.
When I speak about magnetic engine behaviour and you answer that, I see that you do not spend long time with magnetic engine. For me the behaviour of a magnetic engine is the stick point not the start or stop.
You are comparing a continuous load motor to a start/stop combustion motor, it is purely an ignorant comparisson. According to what Yildiz said the machine is always on magnetic load and the brake is used to hold that stationary or release it into rotation.
I never compare combustion motor with magnetic motor, you take me for a baby, and you are not able to correctly read, I write with gear disengage, I compare brake on mechanical inertie.
I have poor mechanical understanding of brake efficiency? As far as I know a mechanical brake that is engaged with a swift hammer striker is suppose to put the entire system to a halt at that moment, not letting it slowly stop on its own as if the batteries were turned off. Watch some more perendev motors and see how alike they both stop.
Do you know whick kind of break it is? Then say it, that I can laugh. Because you always make asuption withouttaking time to know. Do you realy think that the break is a stop step? Then in addition you are a poor mechanical engineer. Have you seen that on your car you have to push on a button to remove hand brake? No idea that it can be the same?
Again I have more proof that he is a scammer
You have nothing because you do not read the minimum information on this engine. In what you said I have the proof. To be a credible oil company troll, you have to better prepare youself in reading documentation.
and none of you "believers" have anything except the claims of the Yildiz's team and fancy sideshow videos
You are wrong, I was in Geneva. And when they try to stop the engine with hand by tightening the free part of the shaft, they do not succeed. They have to use the break.
with coins on top and magnet readings. Remember the video showing him runing a small "electric" car with only his motor? Why would he do that and then say that load tests couldnt be conducted due to the shaft main bearing being weak? Where is our 30 day tests that he promised?
You had to come in Geneva, I have been delighted to see a scam hunter put his hand into the fan.
Dodge dodge dodge until more people fall for the scam.
Mister Shadow I preconize to you that you applie the 5 Toltec agreements. Specialy the 5th. They were translated in almost all language.
Quote from: profitis on April 16, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
@milehigh,yes he couldve done that but it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor in the motor casing.he has to prove to his investors,not us,that therz no power source inside there.to us he just has to show the fan turning nonstop without stopping,and without interference,without slowing, for a coupla weeks,a steorn setup without one single break or inteference wouldve been great.he fell short by not preparing adequately long beforehand to ensure zero breaks,interferences in this demo.paranoia about theft was also not advantageous here.
When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
I went there for me, and to support M.Yildiz and not for close mind people.
In France we have a proverb that says "you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey".
For me and people with me at Geneva, this engine has to progress in mechanical conception and marketing, not in principle.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 16, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
and stop trying to convince everyone else that knows better.
Better know to create a rumor, but what else? Have you ever built some working system, and not only in OU?
On another forum: magnetosysnergie.com a member has taken time to model the magnetic flow in the M.Yildiz engine. I was with this member in Geneva, he was as convince as me.
On the engine there was a film showing magnetic fields at engine outside. But perhaps have you miss this part in the Allan Youtube video.
For now, I loose to much time on this not thirsty donkey forum ( French proverb "you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey").
For investor how may read this forum, I can say: make your own idea, and when you'll market such engine, I will buy one. I already ask the Yildiz team, but they do not want to sell kit out of the future investor. In this engine there is a genius idea which maintains magnetic instability. Everybody which read de US patent in detail and J.Duart expertize in Turkey can see it. The M.Yildiz magnetic conception is over what I can reproduce in DIY. Then I wait for the kit.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 08:22:11 AM
Mister Shadow I preconize to you that you applie the 5 Toltec agreements. Specialy the 5th. They were translated in almost all language.
Awww now you are roleplaying like Jorge Duarte, missdirecting everything while never providing any real hard evidence, so cute. And you even change my own words in an attempt to ridicule me. That is just sad, even for you.
I even enjoy this little part here that you changed to your own words:
QuoteWhy do you need to open it if we can external see that it works.
That is ignorance of the highest level, just because you see that it works doesn't mean that it works the way that he claims, he could even have hamsters inside and it would work too. What a retard statement.
Still you haven't contributed anything that strengthens Yildiz's story so, once again, you have absolutely nothing.
I guess internet trolls are everywhere, even in forums like these. When the man goes to jail (like many other scammers) I really want to see you still defending his side, now that will be a awesome show to watch, I'm even gonna bring some popcorns.
PS: Can't wait to see the super perendev magnet motor that you are also building, maybe you can scam a few bucks from Sterling's followers.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 08:47:20 AM
Better know to create a rumor, but what else? Have you ever built some working system, and not only in OU?
On another forum: magnetosysnergie.com a member has taken time to model the magnetic flow in the M.Yildiz engine. I was with this member in Geneva, he was as convince as me.
On the engine there was a film showing magnetic fields at engine outside. But perhaps have you miss this part in the Allan Youtube video.
I have built working systems and never claimed they were OU because they aren't, unlike you.
So on another forum you found another person like you, what a surprise, you 2 should give money to Yildiz.
The film showed magnetic fields outside the engine? So does every other Magnet motor scam, no one said it didn't have magnets but Yildiz said it had 1200 magnets when it doesnt even hold close to that number in the configurations that he built.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
I went there for me, and to support M.Yildiz and not for close mind people.
In France we have a proverb that says "you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey".
For me and people with me at Geneva, this engine has to progress in mechanical conception and marketing, not in principle.
Oh lord, you are on fire! You just keep spitting nonsense after nonsense! So you are saying that the motor should have more publicity and run on "idea power" instead of any kind of validation to prove that it actually works? LOL I knew there was something strange about you but now... wow, just wow! You have absolutely no idea of what you even say! This is hilarious and now I feel ashamed for even spending time trying to show you the reality. Go ahead, buy his machine and power up your house, while you're at it ask him for some unicorns to help with your gas spendings, unicorns run on hope and ignorance.
Please note that any attempt of extending this conversation without any evidence that the machine actually works (as Yildiz claims for 30 years) is pointless and only reinforces a person's attempt of prolonging a scam and, at the same time, intoxicating this forum. I already hold my skepticism till the Geneva Expo ended, you should hold your empty comments until anything worth scientificly is delivered from Yildiz.
Or, you know, when he goes to jail for embezzlement (just like Michael. Brady)
EDIT:
QuoteFor now, I loose to much time on this not thirsty donkey forum.
Oh god, yes, get out of here, be gone and take your infectious empty comments with you.
relax domichi.im on your side.im just telling you how it looked to the general public,not very pretty.if he wants to make a whambam impression on the public spectators he must be DAMN sure that next time therz gona b no interruptions.zilch inter-ruptionez.and you will see how it will boost his ratings.if you read my previous posts you will see that im very open minded to the possibility of electromagnetic 2nd law violations.
Look at this, the sound is in french but with Davy it is our language http://youtu.be/U5jcq1oBY6s.
Davy is the other member of MagnetoSynergie forum how have modelized for us the M.Yildiz motor general magnetic flow.
It is modelized from the pattent, and he gives us a cohérent rotative system. He is on facebook, you can exchange with him.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 16, 2013, 08:55:18 AM
he could even have hamsters inside and it would work too.
How old are you to have this kind of speech.
DomiChi:
Quite honestly you sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show. Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
Since English is not your first language, here is the definition of a shill:
QuoteA shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing he has a close relationship with the person or organization. "Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology), to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. "Plant" and "stooge" more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization
MileHigh
Quote from: shadowpt on April 16, 2013, 08:55:18 AM
I have built working systems and never claimed they were OU because they aren't, unlike you.
It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
OU exits for a long time ago, 5000 years, read this http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf. It is water not magnet, but magnetic vortex also exits. And what about if Yildiz engine create this votex with it's output rotor? Enough for all the engine. Magnetic fields of each stage can be combine, also with this magnetic vortex. That is the genius idea, create global working condition from the output. But all these information can be deduct from information already on the net, like the patents and the J.Duarte report in Turkey.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
How old are you to have this kind of speech.
This kind of speech? Have you even read the things you said? A motor can be run with hamsters, didn't you know that? If I build a motor run by hamsters and tell everyone that it is being run on magic energy then it makes it true (according to what you said) because you don't need to open it to see that it works. How stupid those your words sound to you now?
How old are you to have such ignorant conversations? I thought you said you were done wasting your time here and even left a message to investors not to read what me and many others said, why? Are you working for Yildiz? Are you what MileHigh described? A stooge?
Get out of here already, you are trying too hard and failing hard at the same time.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
OU exits for a long time ago, 5000 years, read this http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf. It is water not magnet.
What is that? Using the fake "free energy" bible to strengthen your argument? Are you even for real?
Haven't you even understand one thing? 5000 years, right? Then why isn't one built and sold already?
I never said that others couldn't make a OU machine just because I haven't, I said that I already built systems and never claimed they were OU, completely different from what you are saying.
Get out now, embezzlement is punished by law and it extends to accessory which is so far what you are doing by the letter.
Yes I will leave this forum, not because you want, as I am alone to try to avoid rumor propagation.
But because I am tired of you, close mind guy how do not see since 5000 years (READ this PDF, not like other documentaion on Yildiz engine) that they help to keep energy not free.
And if I want to help M.Yildiz, and yes I want to help Yildiz, it is because he is alone to propose someting working. And I need this thing for an out of grid plant. I already bye the Johnson motor pdf, and that is a Scam, not because it not works, but because it is not like said, a DIY project, and it require very rare parts without plan. And on DIY project, I am able to make everything at home and on cars.
Then yes I am waiting Yildiz kit, and I will bye it, and it is not a present from Yildiz team. I will not bye it if I succeed with my projects before (magnetic engine, or Schauberger hydro generator (this 5000 years old principle)).
@tinselkoala,heres another thing to ponder: lets take marks battery and discharge it at point A in the building and measure the time it takes to recharge.now lets do same at point B,point C,and under the tree point D.if it takes exact same time in all points we can rule out light,vibration and radiowaves in one shot.this leaves only chemical and nuclear,both easily verifiable.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 16, 2013, 02:54:21 PM
DomiChi:
Quite honestly you sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show. Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
Since English is not your first language, here is the definition of a shill:
MileHigh
I can have the same remarks, what is the real trade mark of this forum, Shell, Total, Texaco ?
DomiChi, you are in John Rohner territory now. Nobody from the energy industry is watching Yildiz.
Our dear Sterling has posted today a new article entitled: 35+ Reasons Why I think Yildiz's Magnet Motor Really Works.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works)
It might as well read: 35+ Reasons to Invest Your Hard-Earned Money In This Wonderful Machine.
It's a pretty sad, sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY)
Quote from: JamesThomas on April 16, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
Our dear Sterling has posted today a new article entitled: 35+ Reasons Why I think Yildiz's Magnet Motor Really Works.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works)
It might as well read: 35+ Reasons to Invest Your Hard-Earned Money In This Wonderful Machine.
It's a pretty sad, sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY)
QuoteI saw Duarte demonstrate to someone that when stopped, the blade is under tension of the brake, not easy to turn. (I asked Yildiz if I could try moving it for myself, but he declined. He may have not understood what I was asking. He may have interpreted my hand signals as a request for him to run the motor again.)
I guess that he failed to notice in his own recording the guy next to him touching lightly the fan while "is under tension of the brake" and moving it with no effort at all, just like an electric motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuwXLU4v_8&feature=player_detailpage#t=450s
Oh Sterling...
STERLING: Only a few calls were enough, and did not need to do this whole charade!!
- - - - - - - - - - - - YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - - - - - - - - - - -
In case of any doubt, I give you the list of professor that I have spoken about the Yildiz´s motor:
(note that: All they are AWARDS professors & SCIENTISTS (please, they deserve a lot of respect from us. Do Not Disturb!!!)
TU Delft professors:
1) Roy Meijer
2) Linda Gaffel
3) Chris Hellinga
4) Michel van Baal
5) Ineke Boneschansker
6) Johanna Myrzik
7) Ilona van der Wenden,
In the TU Eindhoven
1) Wil Kling (Chief of investigations)
At the first time, I call by telephone "each one" to ask about the Yildiz´s DEMOS in his own univesities.
All responded the same thing: is a scam, is a trick, is a fake, etc
I think it's in bad taste, but in case of any doubt, I give you a print sceen of one answer from TU Delft about Yildiz.
I have 8 (eight) mails more of each one.
To prevent the spam, the mail is hidden in light blue.
- - - - - -- - - - - STERLING YOU SHOULD FELL ASHAMED - - - - - - - - - -
yo yo detruchos,relax senjor,you sound like a rabid priest,stick with the facts man,ther is absolute zero evidence of fraud here,and zero evidence of non-fraud,lets leave it at that ok?the demo sucked,other than that nobody knows shit.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 16, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
All responded the same thing: is a scam, is a trick, is a fake, etc
In my career I had also contract with universities. If these Universities had not better confidential respect, I'd not only stop the contract but also asks lawyers interventions. If it's true, I understand that M.Yildiz will change validator to warrant confidentiality before patent.
And if it is true what you say, it is also a criterion to not choose these Universities as partner for others projects. That gives me a big doubt about these people professionalism. Then about of the validity of these post.
DomiChi
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on April 17, 2013, 05:19:03 AM
DomiChi
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
You say nothing to me with that. I have a friend how is physician professor in high scholl. I could never let him admit water memory (http://www.chigot.fr/H2OMemTo5thDim/Omemory.html), even if L.Montagnier Nobel price for Sida had expériment it.
Paradigms have to change, and mind stay open.
Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling on another is fund raising effort to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on April 17, 2013, 05:19:03 AM
DomiChi
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
In your last posts I saw no proof, and you not have seen the Yildiz motor in Geneva like me.
Quote from: profitis on April 17, 2013, 04:29:44 AM
yo yo detruchos,relax senjor,you sound like a rabid priest,stick with the facts man,ther is absolute zero evidence of fraud here,and zero evidence of non-fraud,lets leave it at that ok?the demo sucked,other than that nobody knows shit.
I disagree. If we take the reports of the actual events as true, and combine that with other stuff we know is true, then there is some evidence that things are not as were initially represented by Yildiz, and also by Sterling Allen.
1. The motor was supposed to make several kilowatts, then it was supposed to make 380 watts..... then it was shown maxing out at (a claimed) 2600 RPM spinning a model airplane propeller, 16x10, that takes at most 60 watts, and probably more like 45, to spin at that rate. Power (torque) measurements were supposed to be performed... but were not.
2. The big motor was supposed to have run, first 5.5 hours, then 4.5 hours.... but the start time was 10:28 am and the stop time was 2:50 pm, according to Sterling. And for the last hour it ran considerably slower than 2600 RPM. Yet we have been told many times how robust and reliable this motor is... but nobody, not even Duarte, has seen it run for longer than 5 hours. Battery power from concealed batteries powering a simple pulse motor arrangement cannot be ruled out based on the events of the demo, and in fact this fits the observed facts better than what Yildiz claims.
3. On the evening of the first day, Yildiz showed up at the dinner table with some magnet pieces, claiming that they came from the motor. But the motor was still assembled that evening, and it was still assembled the next morning. But Yildiz claimed that it would take a day and a half to take it apart and put it back together. So how did he get those pieces out, and why didn't he just take the time and fix the damned thing? Instead, on the third or fourth night he stays up till 4 am trying to get the smaller motor to run. And fails to produce a running motor.
4. The Controller. What controller? We were told, initially, that the smaller motor could not be run because the Controller for it was in use on the big motor and there was no other Controller. If the smaller motor were started without the Controller it would speed up and destroy itself. But.... after the first motor failed, why not just take this Controller off and move it to the smaller motor and run _that_ motor in the parking lot, overnight in the Manger, all day long...... etc. But.... people can casually spin the smaller motor with that sharp fan blade and nothing happens. AND... now Sterling's moderator Stuart Campbell tells us that... wait for it.... THERE IS NO CONTROLLER, which makes sense because... we never saw any Controller, nobody ever mentioned any Controller before, no Controller in the disassembled... or rather half-disassembled motor at Delft.... there is no Controller in Yildiz's patent, etc.. And the smaller motor never ran, with or without any Controller.
So we have some clear evidence, I think, that we have been lied to. The motor does not and cannot make kilowatts of power, and in this demo only made a few tens of watts of power, and considering the power and the total run time and the decreasing RPM in the latter part of the run, this is entirely consistent with a battery-powered pulse motor, and certainly does NOT correspond to what Yildiz has claimed, including the claims made to get him invited to this convention in the first place.
The broken magnets are just too convenient an excuse. The smaller motor did nothing but distract the gullible. The tachometer measurements weren't even checked, and they are critical, because power dissipation of a fan goes as the _CUBE_ of the RPM.
I could go on, but I think that the points I've noted above do indeed provide evidence of conscious deception on the part of Yildiz and perhaps Allen, and they do indeed provide evidence that Yildiz cannot provide what he claims to provide, when rigorously examined.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 05:06:50 AM
In my career I had also contract with universities. If these Universities had not better confidential respect, I'd not only stop the contract but also asks lawyers interventions. If it's true, I understand that M.Yildiz will change validator to warrant confidentiality before patent.
And if it is true what you say, it is also a criterion to not choose these Universities as partner for others projects. That gives me a big doubt about these people professionalism. Then about of the validity of these post.
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
QuoteDear Dominique,
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Kling from TU Eindhoven I know personally, and he will never say it is a scam before talking to me.
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Regards,
-jorge
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 07:29:39 AM
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 07:38:22 AM
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.
Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 07:38:22 AM
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.
What are you speaking about?
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 08:06:55 AM
Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.
What are you speaking about?
You are joking and twisting the words of the other users in this forum because you have nothing else to prove back, I thought that was clear enough.
And you are saying that you asked the brazillian assistant professor if the professors in the university were speaking the truth when asking that to anyone in the Yildiz team (which is the one being put to the test) is the one thing you shouldn't do. Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.
Yet again, I thought you were gonna leave the forum? Why are you still here trying to prove it without any proof?
I bet in France there is also a law for accessory to embezzlement (or fraud) which is far worse than calumny since you are aiding scammers to steal clueless investor's money.
You are very welcome to continue this conversation with me once there is a scientific proof that the machine is indeed runing only on magnetic power or when Yildiz goes to jail but until then, trying to make people believe in it with just random insignificant quotes, ignorant tests made with coins and magnetic field observations done with a phone app, rigged demonstrations, lies about the machine components and mechanics, using primordial "concepts" that are already proved to not work even after 5000 years (a water funil cannot fill itself alone), attempts to divert the obvious scam indications by diverting the subject, not mentioning that in 30 years he still is trying to get more investors will only be useless and counter-productive.
Not only that but the stirring and hard continuous attempt at this will only make any future investors more aware of the scam than the opposite, so in the end you are actually taking my side on this without even realizing it.
Quote from: markdansie on April 17, 2013, 05:26:55 AM
Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling on another is fund raising effort to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
Kind Regards
Mark
Yeah, I was aware of that but so far the PES network has been helpfull in many ways for me, too bad that up to this point I gave it a chance and hoped to see this Geneva Expo redeeming Sterling's name and delivering what we were all expecting, sadly the opposite occured.
I will never visit that website again.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 08:53:44 AM
Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.
You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:03:03 AM
You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.
Again, come back when you have anything worth saying. Prove to me that I am wrong, that J.Duarte is not a liar. Until you can prove it then he will remain as I see him, a liar that is trying to scam money from people.
It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 09:01:51 AM
I will never visit that website again.
Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.
Again, come back when you have anything worth to say.
And its "rats are the first to leave a sinking ship", so in your own words, once again, you are actually helping me.
And I wasn't convinced before, as I said it to you, that is why I waited to have my final evidence on the Geneva Expo, after that I now am fully convinced that it is a scam.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 09:15:37 AM
It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.
For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to imagine that you are them, what will you do better?
As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:33:19 AM
For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to image that you are them, what will you do better?
Are you that childish to compare argumentation to a forum user's name?
I already posted in PESwiki and Allan keeps changing and twisting the words that I used (just like you do).
You are allergic to unfairness? I am allergic to bullshit and all of the talk you do is it.
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:33:19 AM
As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.
You clearly have no idea of what you talk about. "Theories" do not make anything true, facts and evidence do. Pictures, faked results and pretty theories are worthless without any evidence. Build it yourself if you truly believe that it is true, I am not your horse.
Again, come back when you have anything worth to say.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:58:03 AM
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.
LOL What the hell are you even saying? You are not making any sense at all now.
Are you okay? Has your last brain cell started to fail or something? Want me to call a "docteur"?
I guess I pushed you really far, must have been hard for you to keep track of reality while avoiding all the scam evidences :/
QuoteBut if NASA help Yildiz
YEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
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Oh now I understand, you are saying that even for planes the engineers placed 3 computers so in case one fails the others are still functioning... which still makes no sense why this is being brought here.
I already said, if I made such a motor I would let everyone test it as they wanted, with 3 or 1000 computers, makes no difference. I would let people test it themselves to clear any suspicion.
It's simple,effective and everything Yildiz has been avoiding for 30 years.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
LOL What the hell are you even saying? You are not making any sense at all now.
I have no time to loose to explain to you.
Are you okay? Has your last brain cell started to fail or something? Want me to call a "docteur"?
No thank you, but if you need I have competency to help you to put your brain in better arrangement with "magnetism" (Reïki like). I feel something in desorder in your brain.
I guess I pushed you really far, must have been hard for you to keep track of reality while avoiding all the scam evidences :/
To push, you have to move. but you are static LOL
YEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
You will be suprise to know that NASA take interesting product where they are.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 10:24:42 AM
LOL What the hell are you even saying? You are not making any sense at all now.
I have no time to loose to explain to you.
Are you okay? Has your last brain cell started to fail or something? Want me to call a "docteur"?
No thank you, but if you need I have competency to help you to put your brain in better arrangement with "magnetism" (Reïki like). I feel something in desorder in your brain.
I guess I pushed you really far, must have been hard for you to keep track of reality while avoiding all the scam evidences :/
To push, you have to move. but you are static LOL
YEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
You will be suprise to know that NASA take interesting product where they are.
And this, readers, is what a sad pathetic person does when he has nothing else to say, he attacks your name, changes your words and jokes about them.
DominiChi just leave, you are making yourself look like a sad excuse for a joke, you should have left sooner when you weren't this sad.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
Oh now I understand, you are saying that even for planes the engineers placed 3 computers so in case one fails the others are still functioning... which still makes no sense why this is being brought here.
It is not like this, 2 are doing the job and 3th judge.
The sense, as I have to explain, is that the only maner to avoid definitive breakdown is redondancy. Yildiz is not an industrial, he have not the finance for that. And allan had to compose with that. And he did it intelligently. Finding positive point behind breakdown is very good.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 10:33:36 AM
It is not like this, 2 are doing the job and 3th judge.
The sense, as I have to explain, is that the only maner to avoid definitive breakdown is redondancy. Yildiz is not an industrial, he have not the finance for that.
You lost my last bit of respect that I had for you with your previous comment, please stop being pathetic and don't continue this conversation any longer.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 10:35:18 AM
don't continue this conversation any longer.
You are right, I loose my time with you. I prefer to go on my prototype.
If I succeed, I will not post here, with guys like you, it will be to long to explain.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
You are right, I loose my time with you. I prefer to go on my prototype.
If I succeed, I will not post here, with guys like you, it will be to long to explain.
You are pathetic, please stop.
sure @tinselkoala therz hundreds discrepencies in the communication line btween us,sterling and yildiz yes,however,none of that is important.the only thing of importance is whats inside that motor.if idiots want to throw money at yildiz before they know whats inside the motor thats their perogative.he would be a fool to accept large sums of cash in a foreign land if its a scam as he would surely wind up in a bodybag anyway.
@tinselkoala and i dont believe that its at all helpful to blast the journalist sterling for yildiz,s ballsup of the demo.thats like kicking the dog because your girlfriend stole money from your drawer.its lame in my opinion despite what posters james thomas and co have to say.neither yildiz nor sterling owe us anything.we are adult enough to draw our own conclusions right?
Look at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works.
I was in geneva and I feel good with what he said. And I found Allan very positive after he had to deal with this breakdown.
As I had the same problem with neodyne magnets with my prototype, I know that can happend.
Then for me the breakdown is not a scam, nor the engine that we (members of MagnetoSynergie forum and other French people) saw. Because we move to Geneva (me from Nederland where I was in hollidays) to see this better future. When a man spends 30 years of his live for our future, the minimum that we can do is to support him, it is MY opinion. And if he fails we have to help him, not to break him. Perhaps with a PESWiki open patent. My opinion on Allan travel, is just that I have not seen anything about this open pattent, but nothing else (I try to think what I have done better at his place, and I know this kind of problem because I was international consultant in my job live. It is not always as we plan before travelling at the other side of the planet).
@DomiChi:
Quite honestly you sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show.
Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
It is just that your arguments? Without any, attacked person and spray lie.
Like with your imaginary information with Nederland University.
I think investors are cleverer than you, and will easily make difference between what I already said and your calumnies about the leek of Nederland University. But investor have certainly better information sources that this poor thread. And with what I read from you and from Allan, Allan is a lot more credible than you. But it may be just the thing that does not satisfy your ego.
Even if I am a shill, but I am not, I am a future buyer, I did a good job to have so poor arguments against mine.
@CazadorDeTruchos: Have you other Internet adress where we can read things that you produce? That, to change my opinion of you.
Until now I did not even take you as a trainee. I do not even feel in you a contructive passion. I hope for your reader that you have a better answer than your last post.
DomiChi
I always value other people views and opinions, however in your case I am overwhelmed by your insignificance and ignorance.
Yilditz relies on people like yourself and Sterling to suck in more investors, like Mike Brady, Mr Rohner and many others (anyone get there Magnacaoster devices yet?)
Yilditz always chickens out at the last minute to have any testing that has value to anyone.
Keep the Dream alive, I am sure you will get a free autographed picture of Yilditz and Sterling.
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 09:58:03 AM
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.
Yes, but airplanes actually do fly, that has been proven. This motor has not. That is the point. Proof is everything especially when raising money from potential investors. No proof, no money. Ask Sterling about Mylow.
Bill
Quote from: markdansie on April 18, 2013, 07:37:08 PM
DomiChi
I always value other people views and opinions, however in your case I am overwhelmed by your insignificance and ignorance.
Yilditz relies on people like yourself and Sterling to suck in more investors, like Mike Brady, Mr Rohner and many others (anyone get there Magnacaoster devices yet?)
Yilditz always chickens out at the last minute to have any testing that has value to anyone.
Keep the Dream alive, I am sure you will get a free autographed picture of Yilditz and Sterling.
Kind Regards
Mark
cosmologic singularity
You level stay the same as CazadorDeTruchos: Under Nothing (Even Zero point energy is not there, cosmologic singularity?).
Just defamation.I prefer a free autographed picture of Yilditz than some Euros from you. It will be for me a big honor from people trying to do something for future during 30 years of his live.
If you so well know Yildiz project, can you say what Yildiz is asking from investor?
I know, and I can say it is almost nothing for a big multinational industrie. And I speak absolute and not speak about potential profit.
Thanks to slanderers worthless as you, nobody can stand. You are a drag on society. If M.Yildiz project was a scam, long ago he could get money by making as Johnson or selling kits. If selling kits I have already bought him one in Geneva to help him to improve, but in addition he wants to give us the security provided by a manufacturer.
Do you know what industries spend as sponsoring? Of course not because nobody wants you in industry. In industriy we build.
Yes, as a dream, I prefer Yildiz project than a sailboat in a race.
As human I am ready to spend time and money on this kind of project. I am already doing, by trying to do my prototype, and Yildiz model will be a better start (I take time to have a close look at existing patents and picture made at Delt on open motor).
Look at you as observator, and asks yourself what you are doing for society and futur.
On another forum there is a members which say me, let OverUnity collect this kind of close mind guys. I think I will do.
On this other forum, like Allan Blog, we prefer that close mind people have also close mouth.
It was funny to let see the level of knowledge on this thread. Markdansie and CazadorDeTruchos; do you ever know what is a magnet (not just as a child), the magnet flow properties and the main problem when building pure magnet motor?
The answer is not just Yes we know or a link to Wiki, but to share your understanding about these points (just to increase the level of your posts).
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 18, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
Yes, but airplanes actually do fly, that has been proven. This motor has not. That is the point. Proof is everything especially when raising money from potential investors. No proof, no money. Ask Sterling about Mylow.
Bill
Even on plane you are miss informed. Have you ever heard about fly between Brazil and France? The destination was not under water, but ... And I had colleagues in this fly.
And when you say "No proof, no money", that is your opinion. For myself, if I judge the risk acceptable, I am able to spend time of my live (and money) on it. I already did it since 70th on informatics, and I am not alone. It is for that that informatics progress so fast. The problem is that we also build mean to give way to defamation. But it is human problem.
CERN boson analysed are based on Linux machine. If for OU machine, we have to do our open source project, I well want to participate without any financial standby, every body to the same target. I am no more 20 years old, but i kept enough to participate, even if it is just to sweep Internet. Perhaps this thread will be where to put the dust. Then I must not blow you away from here.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 19, 2013, 01:52:39 AM
cosmologic singularity
You level stay the same as CazadorDeTruchos: Under Nothing (Even Zero point energy is not there, cosmologic singularity?). Just defamation.
I prefer a free autographed picture of Yilditz than some Euros from you. It will be for me a big honor from people trying to do something for future during 30 years of his live.
If you so well know Yildiz project, can you say what Yildiz is asking from investor?
I know, and I can say it is almost nothing for a big multinational industrie. And I speak absolute and not speak about potential profit.
Thanks to slanderers worthless as you, nobody can stand. You are a drag on society. If M.Yildiz project was a scam, long ago he could get money by making as Johnson or selling kits. If selling kits I have already bought him one in Geneva to help him to improve, but in addition he wants to give us the security provided by a manufacturer.
Do you know what industries spend as sponsoring? Of course not because nobody wants you in industry. In industriy we build.
Yes, as a dream, I prefer Yildiz project than a sailboat in a race.
As human I am ready to spend time and money on this kind of project. I am already doing, by trying to do my prototype, and Yildiz model will be a better start (I take time to have a close look at existing patents and picture made at Delt on open motor).
Look at you as observator, and asks yourself what you are doing for society and futur.
On another forum there is a members which say me, let OverUnity collect this kind of close mind guys. I think I will do.
On this other forum, like Allan Blog, we prefer that close mind people have also close mouth.
It was funny to let see the level of knowledge on this thread. Markdansie and CazadorDeTruchos; do you ever know what is a magnet (not just as a child), the magnet flow properties and the main problem when building pure magnet motor?
The answer is not just Yes we know or a link to Wiki, but to share your understanding about these points (just to increase the level of your posts).
Yildiz is asking for millions for his "full proof" worldwide patent.
Intelligent people are providing evidence of a scam to prevent investors from falling into a scam and lose their money, unlike you.
I am sure that there are more ignorant people like you and I am glad that they are on another forum and not in this one.
The answer that you are talking about is all the ones you gave to us and none that we gave to you. You are the one that keeps dodging and using unbelieavable excuses that have no relation to this situation and keep posting links to stupidity gathering at the highest levels that help you prove, once again, nothing.
QuoteI am no more 20 years old,
After all your bullshit talking I highly doubt that you are more than 15 years old. Your arguments lack proof and content and so does your way to counter argue, which show without a doubt a childish mind behind the words. Go back to your "friends" in club penguin and let the adults provide actual hard proof scam evidences and demand proper tests to be conducted in a scam motor.
Poor man, your level is under my dog mind. But you are just a pug.
From your answer I see that you do not know anything about magnet. And that you don't read the thread where you post on, because I give some way on Yildiz engine is working.
And when you say that Yildiz asks for million. You had to go to Geneva.
His actual problem is to find fund to pay expense for patent and lawyer to prepare these patent. It is not millions.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 19, 2013, 09:23:59 AM
Poor man, your level is under my dog mind. But you are just a pug.
From your answer I see that you do not know anything about magnet. And that you don't read the thread where you post on, because I give some way on Yildiz engine is working.
And when you say that Yildiz asks for million. You had to go to Geneva.
His actual problem is to find fund to pay expense for patent and lawyer to prepare these patent. It is not millions.
http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/
QuoteHe needs to get international patent protection (at least filed) for the black box before opening the technology to any team that wishes to be involved. But such protection costs a lot of money (in the ballpark of 2-8 million Euros). But in order to get that kind of money, he needs solid third-party verification of the technology.
QuoteAnd that you don't read the thread where you post on
I do read where I post on and I contribute to it in the best way and in the best interest of others.
Get out of here you french ignorant, you already lost in argumentation and you will keep losing after.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 19, 2013, 09:41:37 AM
Get out of here you french ignorant,
I will do, but just to let dust here on this thread. It must be somewhere to waste if we do not want it to scatter. Even if a shadow has no consistency. And we do not need your dejection on other positive forums.
I also have not any time to continue to play with you, a pug behind a grid.
The French ignorant has worked on his own magnet prototype, not like you which is not able to say any thing about magnet. Have you already heard about magnetic fludity, magnetic potential wells and stick point. On you posts I saw nothing because it is just calomny wind.
And the difference with you, I speak about what I heard at Geneva and not an
old Allan paper. What you quote from this old link, is not what I heard in Geneva. Wake up, renew your poor thinking, the earth is turning and other people than you are moving.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 17, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas.
But you will never have, as you are. Then you take no risk to say that.
Me, if I succeed with my prototypes, i will no share with guys like you. Because it will be scam, even if i do not need money and problems which come with. That is your added value (keep hidden) and not petroleum company fault.
Do not be affraied my other co-forumers on French forum, I will share with you by MP, my son is OK, as you (friends with me in Geneva) can heard from him. I am very glad to not have a son not like these guys here (it is not more close mind, it is no mind, but it is normal for a shadow). Do you know how to remove your shadow? Stay with no light arround you ;-)
Quote from: kampen on March 08, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
Soon we will see......demo in may 2010 in Germany?
Hopefully it's not another hoax
Dutch does not means German. But it is on the same line of all this thread, miss informed.
Eindhoven is not in Germany but in Nederland like the big industrial which sponsored university tests. Yes but it is like magnets, geography is complicate.
@domichi,the secret is not in magnetic 'fluids',or 'wells'.the secret is in pure applied conventional thermodynamics,except that one of the heat strokes of the magnetic engine must pull in ambient heat,and convert it to useful work.ie..an anisotropic heat cycle that pumps heat from ambient with no expense of energy on our part.im beginning to sound like phil hardcastle lately.
Quote from: profitis on April 20, 2013, 09:57:14 AM
@domichi,the secret is not in magnetic 'fluids',or 'wells'.the secret is in pure applied conventional thermodynamics,except that one of the heat strokes of the magnetic engine must pull in ambient heat,and convert it to useful work.ie..an anisotropic heat cycle that pumps heat from ambient with no expense of energy on our part.im beginning to sound like phil hardcastle lately.
Finally someone that offers something other than slander. When I speak about magnetic fluidity, I was not thinking about Yildiz, but about Steorn Orbo; just to test pug knowledge. And when I spoke about magnetic wells that was to pull them to stick point reason.
For me I do not need to know where the Yildiz engine takes its power, as long as I have not to provide it and as long as it does not give polution. Polution can also be vital energy polution, and that we also must care. We have also to take care of Ionosphere and earth electric potential difference. Then, what I said at the begin of this paragraph, is not right, I want to know where it takes power (I prefer black energy, 75% of univers weight). But Nederland university already imagine some tests for 0 point energy, without open it. That is a positive taget.
DomiChi you are very pathetic, please remove your presence from planet Earth, thank you.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 20, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
DomiChi you are very pathetic, please remove your presence from planet Earth, thank you.
GO IN YOUR BOX SHADOW PUG, I have not time to loose with you. Even to play with PUG. I like dogs, but not pugs.
SHADOW
PT is PT for point? Shadow has already no volume, PT is almost redondante it just add no surface. But even so PUG is noisy.
@DomiChi:
Every time you open your mouth, is exposed your biggest ignorance. People like you, are the useful idiots for scams like Yildiz, Mike Brady an others.
All your arguments are based on your belief.
THE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.
Please go back to elementary school, and learn again.
Have you discovered new laws of physics? Then present them to scientific world and win the Nobel Prize.!! GO DomiChi, GO!!
Meanwhile, gently I tell you: not to play the role of an idiot.
I'll explain ... as if you were my grandmother, I hope you understand now:
WHY A MAGNETIC MOTOR WILL NEVER WORK?
In some ways, gravity may be thought of as being similar to an elastic band. When you supply energy to an elastic band by stretching it (chemical energy supplied to your muscles is converted to mechanical energy to stretch the elastic band), the elastic band will snap back to approximately its original state. Specifically, if you hold one end of the elastic band to the floor and stretch the other end upwards, it will snap back down to the floor when you release the upper end of it. Bearing this in mind, think again about gravity. Gravity is a force not wholly dissimilar with the analogy of the elastic band. Like an elastic band, it does not contain energy unless you first supply it with energy. The energy used to move objects upwards (like stretching an elastic band) causes acceleration of things such as apples (objects which have mass) when they are allowed to fall back to the ground (acceleration).
But gravity cannot apply its 'force field' to "falling" objects like apples unless energy has first been supplied to raise them from the ground. In the case of apples, chemical energy has been supplied to cause the apple tree to grow and form apples. So too, when you lift an object from the ground and release it, it will fall because you supplied chemical energy to lift it in the first place.
We may think objects fall to the ground 'because of' the effect of gravity, and in a narrow sense this is right. But when you think about it more carefully, you will realise that the object has only fallen to the ground because energy was supplied to it beforehand (work was performed) in the process of lifting it upwards in the first place.
For this reason, even in the best possible scenario of component efficiency, you can never get more energy out of a gravity based device than you put into it in the first place to lift things above ground level. Output can never exceed input.
Energy always has to be expended lifting objects up from the floor and the 'force' of gravity cannot possibly ever add 'extra' energy to the object. When you lifted it, you added energy, but it does not gain energy on the way down.
The same general principle applies to magnets. Just because magnets have lines of force (similar to gravity), does not mean that magnets contain 'energy'. They do not. If static or stationary magnets really did contain 'energy', we would be able to connect devices and wires to them and use them as batteries or power supplies, but we cannot do this because they do not contain any energy.
In point of fact, neither gravity nor magnetic field lines in magnets possess energy. Energy must always be supplied from outside for the inherent 'field lines or forces' to seem to perform work. Consider how Faraday's law applies to solenoids. You always have to move a magnet inside a copper coil, or vice versa, you have to move a copper coil near a magnet to produce electrical energy. If magnets in stasis contained any energy whatsoever, you would not need to do this. You would be able to generate electricity without having to move the magnet at all; without having to move it relative to the coil or vice versa. But this is not so because magnets do not contain any energy. Energy must always be supplied from an external source (for example by your hand) to move the magnet or to move the solenoid.
The upshot of this is that working 'magnetic motors' made from arrays of magnets are impossible; have always been impossible and will always be impossible (unless you go to a different Universe where different laws of physics apply).
External energy must always be added to magnet based devices to enable them to rotate. External energy must always be added to gravity based systems to enable them to perform work.
Our predisposition to confuse force (in the sense of field lines) with energy or power has led countless inventors to waste time and resources trying to build PM magnetic motors, PM pendulums, and other gravity based machines, but none of these devices can ever possibly work because the laws of physics render them impossible. Just because you do not understand why it cannot work will not change the facts. These devices cannot ever possibly work. PM is impossible.
There are plenty of brilliant innovative inventors on this forum but some of them are oblivious to the central fact that field lines do not equate with energy or power. They are different things, and work must always be performed on objects (mass) if they are to be provided with with acceleration (F= m*a).
Looking at this issue from an another perspective, suppose, by some ingenious hitherto undiscovered method, an intellectual colossus manages to get a 'PM Magnet-motor' to rotate continuously, without any external power supply being fed into it. Let us suppose the electrical output of this mystery machine is then connected back to the machine itself. We know from Einstein that E=MC2. Accordingly, the machine would gain mass as it generated and stored power, until the point when it would have infinite mass...which is impossible.
My respectful suggestion? Stop wasting time and resources trying to build PM machines based on magnets and gravity. They cannot possibly ever work. Ever. People have been trying to build them for centuries. If it were possible for them to work, they would have been built by now.
Instead, build something useful. Something that has utility or which can convert externally derived energy into other forms, and thus has a chance of performing useful work. You cannot convert the 'force' of gravity or the 'force' of magnetism into energy without performing externally derived work on the systems.
@DomiChi:
Have you understood something that I've written?
If not: Please go back to elementary school and study again.
Conspiracies? Please do not come to us with these stories. A conspiracy can´t stop a physical law. You are very pathetic.
If it makes you happy, continue believing that they exist:
@CazadorDeTruchos:The pack pugs enlarged. Except now there is the dumbest. Not even realize that his calumnies could cost their place to Dutch people.
You do not even answer to my question about your knowledge, and about you. Have you ever done something positive on the net that can let me think that you are not as stupide as you look on this thread.
And also so stupid to see that I play with pugs on this thred. Sorry I have no bone to throw.
Quote
THE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.
I have proof that even with fact scientists do not always beleive it. I have proof.
QuoteHave you understood something that I've written?
If not: Please go back to elementary school and study again.
I have no time to loose to read you calomnies.
@de truchos.there are no new laws of physics required for a working perpeual motion device of the 2nd kind,just a better understanding of the laws.are you trying to tell me that every law of nature has been fully explored to the max since 1890?absolute rubbish
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 20, 2013, 03:16:29 PM
Just because magnets have lines of force (similar to gravity), does not mean that magnets contain 'energy'. They do not. If static or stationary magnets really did contain 'energy', we would be able to connect devices and wires to them and use them as batteries or power supplies, but we cannot do this because they do not contain any energy.
I wouldn't be so sure about it, as the Vacuum Triode Amplifier and maybe also the Coler Magnetstromapparat were be based on that. Of course they also put in energy, but only very little compared to the output. Assumptions are that they vibrated the magnet in a way that it released much more energy than the input, practically some kind of induction effect from a static magnet.
Quote from: profitis on April 20, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
@de truchos.there are no new laws of physics required for a working perpeual motion device of the 2nd kind,just a better understanding of the laws.are you trying to tell me that every law of nature has been fully explored to the max since 1890?absolute rubbish
You are right profitis. I had never seen any law about black energy. But we know that we are in, and that it is 75% of univers. A lot more than material. Perhaps have we something to do to use it?
Quote from: shadowpt on April 20, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
DomiChi you are very pathetic, please remove your presence from planet Earth, thank you.
Is that a threat? You know that I can attact you with lawyer? I am not as tolerant as Dutch people. Your IP is traced.
You just have to hope that nothing hapen to me now. Perhaps I can make something to have money to finance Yildiz from you. Have you an house not too small. It will be enough.
Yes it is not just a screen in front of you.
@DomiChi , IF YOU PREFER, GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO YILDIZ
@profitis
If there were no friction, a pendulum would be a perpetual motion.
Thermodynamics applied in all fields of physics, not only in combustion engines or heat engines.
If you are in a position to contradict the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, THEN PROVE IT !!!
The law of conservation of energy is present even within the atom, and quantum mechanics has been proved it empirically thousand times!!.
Please guys, don´t base your arguments on your beliefs.
Go back to elementary school, study and learn.
Then ... we can keep talking.
Kindest Regards
lol @de truchos.im not particulary intrested in the 1st law,that would be a tough one to bash.and the 2nd?well i want you to do this experiment my friend,and do it carefully: take 2 platinum strips and shove them into sodium hydroxide solution with 1 strip deeper in the electrolyte than the other,measure the voltage and microcurrent between these,then come back to me ok?
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 20, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
The law of conservation of energy is present even within the atom, and quantum mechanics has been proved it empirically thousand times!!.
Thermodynamics applied in all fields of physics, not only in combustion engines or heat engines.
Have you any explanation to Wave/ Corpuscule duality (One electron start, more than one arrive)? You are better than nobel physic price A.Aspect http://youtu.be/o4Ib579nBxQ. You have to publish. There is no thermodynamics law to explain that today. You are a great quantic physician then. Congratulation, say us where you publish.
If A Aspect is to much, I have also that http://youtu.be/aCu72hUPfo4 for you, look at the picture if you do not understand language, but you can find it in English on Internet. First search A. Aspect.
A TV tube without Hight voltage collimator may be an over unit system 200%? But colimator is again magnetic.
@DomiChi
Now, I can see your high level of ignorance and stupidity.
The quantum mechanics only applies inside the atom. I know perfectly this video.
The Yildiz motor is a macroscopic system. There do not applies quantum mechanics.
@Domichi - Really do you went to school? Anytime?
Please, go back to elementary school, study and learn. Then ... we can keep talking. Meanwhile: don´t play the role of an idiot.
The Yildiz´s Motor IS A SCAM. BUT IF YOU PREFER, GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO YILDIZ
I LEAVE YOU, I JUST GOT A VISIT FROM THEM:
@domichi.check out the discussions of zero point,dirac sea by the extreme genius theoretical physicist jerry decker on science20.com.please note that this jerry decker is not the same jerry decker of keelynet.com.he is much esteemed by higher echelons of theoretical physicists.
@Cazador: You are right on, my friend. Keep up the struggle, however futile it might seem. When someone calls you a dog, you know they are feeling your bite.... and that they have no other argument than to insult you.
;)
@TinselKoala
Thanks a lot for your words!!
I TAKE ALL THIS HASSLE, TO PREVENT FRAUDS and SCAMS.
WE MUST NOT ALLOW THIS FORUM WILL ENDS BEING IN ADVERTISING FOR SCAMMERS.
Kindest Regards
Cazador:
Perhaps Sterling Allen is getting some inspiration from you!?!? ;D
MileHigh
@MileHigh
Thanks a lot for your words!!
Many things might just be sabotaging the free energy movement:
1) the lack of critical thinking.
2) Stupidity.
STERLING ALLAN has these two.
NOT ALLOW THIS FORUM WILL TRANSFORM IN ADVERTISING FOR SCAMMERS.
WE MUST STAY ALERT !!
@de truchos..many things may be sabotaging the free energy movement: 1) lack of open mindedness 2) stupidity
oh by the way @de truchos..quantum mechanics does NOT only apply inside the atom as you declared in your post.it applies evrywhere and evrything.
There are no tests made, no proof available, only testimonies from Yildiz's team members and videos that don't present any kind of evidence, together with lies and deceit. A video showing a motor running is as much of an evidence as Perendev's videos.
Scam.
@profitis
If you are in a position to contradict the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, THEN PROVE IT !!!
IF EINSTEIN had done like you, the GPS would not exist today.
The laser would not exist today.
The solar panels would not exist today.
HE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.
YOU REPEAT AS A PARROT THINGS THAT YOU YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THINGS YOU HAVE SEEN ON YOUTUBE.
A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE IS PROOF OF NOTHING!!!!
A lot of scams are committed with magnetic motors.
And, I´m very open mind electrical engineer, at least I know what I mean.
Please, go back to elementary school, study and learn. Then ... we can keep talking.
Meanwhile: don´t play the role of an fool.
Best Regards
@shadow,what do you want yidiz to do? Hand you the motor for inspection?this is all confidential between him and the dutch guys so we may never see it again,especialy if it truly works.we are left to our own conclusions.
@de truchos.did you do the experiment i suggested yet? Didnt think so..
"God does not play dice."
Albert Einstein
Quote from: profitis on April 20, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
@shadow,what do you want yidiz to do? Hand you the motor for inspection?this is all confidential between him and the dutch guys so we may never see it again,especialy if it truly works.we are left to our own conclusions.
DON´T WORRYWe not need any experiment.
STERLING HAS TRAVELED TO VALIDATE THE YILDIZ´S MOTOR, ISNT IT?
Quote from: profitis on April 20, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
@shadow,what do you want yidiz to do? Hand you the motor for inspection?this is all confidential between him and the dutch guys so we may never see it again,especialy if it truly works.we are left to our own conclusions.
Allow people to conduct the tests, they don't even need to open the bottom half of the motor, just let them run the tests. Easy simple and fullproof, he doesn't need to give the motor to anyone. Universities already offered him the oportunity, he refused because he wanted them to conduct the tests that Yildiz team would allow to be conducted, basically any test except the ones that could reveal the scam.
Remember the 30 university test promise? Were is that? Cancelled.
Quote from: profitis on April 20, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
@domichi.check out the discussions of zero point,dirac sea by the extreme genius theoretical physicist jerry decker on science20.com.please note that this jerry decker is not the same jerry decker of keelynet.com.he is much esteemed by higher echelons of theoretical physicists.
@profitis : Sorry, but I do not understand what you mean, where is this "discussions of zero point". I am interesting.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 20, 2013, 05:11:21 PM
@DomiChi
The quantum mechanics only applies inside the atom. I know perfectly this video.
Quantum physic also treat photon outside atom.
Quantum mechanics does not treat atom with 0 point energy interaction. If I am wrong, please give me a link where I can read that because on this way I only know R.Vialle theory http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM which also provide OU http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/index.htm.
@domichi..just google: 'jerry decker science20.com' and go into any of the many thread posts by this absolute genius,it will blow your mind.this guy is such a genius that he is under n.d.a. with a certain entity(corporation or government?) to write some of his theories and not publish them.
@domichi..i stumbled upon this jerry decker by accident,its not easy to find background information on him but i noticed he must be highly valued by elite circles.
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 03:07:17 AM
@domichi..just google: 'jerry decker science20.com' and go into any of the many thread posts by this absolute genius,it will blow your mind.this guy is such a genius that he is under n.d.a. with a certain entity(corporation or government?) to write some of his theories and not publish them.
Thanks
Can you give me your favorite link about his theories, because with google links I learn nothing new for me.
I had already saw all the Brian Green Videos. Perhaps it is for that.
@de truchos,what does sterling know? He,s not a physicist,just a journalist mate,he 'points' to things that we otherwise wouldnt know of,and adds his opinion,thats all.
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 03:33:03 AM
@de truchos,what does sterling know? He,s not a physicist,just a journalist mate,he 'points' to things that we otherwise wouldnt know of,and adds his opinion,thats all.
I agree with you. When we will have enough examples of this type; it will be to the scientists to explain.
For Wildiz engine, I just ask to Allan to hurry up to have open patent. And if he needs open finacial project, he has to plan until a stable usefull point. Not ask one after another. Like this I feel it at a scam, but not a Wildiz scam. If Allan has no other salary, I can understand that somebody has to pay. But if he needs 10k$, he has to say since the beginning of the project. We do not do another way in industry, even if we can cut the project in parts.
I already try to build some other prototypes, but they are not long before stop. Wildiz model is better, I'd like to take inspiration from open patent (not to sell, just to satisfy myself). I can have contact with hight physicians (even working for CERN), I will be glad to have a working prototype, give them with out any restriction, and defy them to explain. I do not ask any money for that. Even if physicians are not all open mind, most of them cannot resist to challenge. I am a bit down to earth, the CERN found the Boson! And do we do useful with that (and it is not the cost of Wildiz engine)?
@domichi,personally i dont care what sterling does with the donations he gets,he can use it for toiletpaper for all i care,as long as he keeps doing what he does best e.g.bring news in from around the globe.there are a few diamonds amongst all the kaka on his website.i dont think we will hear much beyond this point about yildiz motor if it works domichi unless the guys financing him are truly rebellious.the decision to take such a device in2 public domain and market if it truly works is a not an easy decision as many many factors are involved.yildiz will surely get offered huge money to sign a permanent n.d.a. and work underground with higher circles.
@domichi,on the other hand,knowledge about these devices are becoming so widespread on the net that yildiz financiers may just decide that if they dont take it to public domain now then somebody else will and in this case we may see it again,working properly this time.its almost a 50/50 decision.
@profitis: This morning Just send this message to a professor:
Quote
I am working on doing this prototype, but with static magnet (magnetic
external stator to regulate speed). Theoricaly no stick point.
If I get it working, I am OK to send it to scientists without restrictions.
Even if it is not Wildiz engine, it is a base to study how magnet pulls
energy from somewhere.
Do you think that there is some laboratories that may be interesting to the
challenge to explain?
I will see if scientists are ready to progress, but it is also a maner to push me to move forward with hard. Because I spend to much time on PC.
I believe to vital energy, I experiment it every day. I do not want that magnet engine polute this energy, and do not want any polution at all from this engine, then I like to know where the energy comes from.
I am not sure that industrial has this kind of worry.
If I succeed I will try to make it as anybody can make it at home. For now it is the case, it just costs me the magnet (half of usual, as rotor is pure iron on plastic). Then low cost, and less than one month electricity consumption. But I will know real power only when it will turn as there is no theory about it.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 21, 2013, 03:57:49 AM
For Wildiz engine, I just ask to Allan to hurry up to have open patent ....
STERLING SAYS:
Thank you!! DomiChi 8)
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 21, 2013, 06:14:33 AM
STERLING SAYS: Thank you!! DomiChi 8)
Again a big added value from CazadorDeTruchos
Quote from: DomiChi on April 21, 2013, 08:39:58 AM
Again a big added value from CazadorDeTruchos
So far all you have done too, absolutely nothing. Got any proof? Show it and it can be discussed, until then I also can be making false claims of a OU motor that I am building and it will have no meaning unless it can be proven.
My motor runs on people's stupidity, the more stupid they are the faster they run, want to invest? I just need enough money for a world wide patent which is NOT millions (just 2 to 8 millions plus lawyer expenses). Hit the donate button and you can regain your money in 5 years with a free energy motor that will work forever!
I have proof, I have seen it work and I can testify that my motor only has magnets inside. That is all the proof that you need, buy now!
...retarded.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 21, 2013, 09:14:07 AM
So far all you have done too, absolutely nothing. Got any proof? Show it and it can be discussed, until then I also can be making false claims of a OU motor that I am building and it will have no meaning unless it can be proven.
My motor runs on people's stupidity, the more stupid they are the faster they run, want to invest? I just need enough money for a world wide patent which is NOT millions (just 2 to 8 millions plus lawyer expenses). Hit the donate button and you can regain your money in 5 years with a free energy motor that will work forever!
I have proof, I have seen it work and I can testify that my motor only has magnets inside. That is all the proof that you need, buy now!
...retarded.
Poor Sterling has been severely censoring comments on his PESN web site for articles related to Ylldiz and in some cases stopping any more commenting.
The demo ends and he is "more convinced than ever" that it is real. It's hard to fathom that. No challenges to Yildiz about the fan power drain on the motor or the supposedly weak bearings, among other things. You would think that the average grown man with reasonable common sense that has also been researching free energy for more than 10 years would object to these things.
Sometimes you yourself or you meet people that have an inherent weakness with respect to something that most people can do without difficulty. For example, you might be a great overall athlete but you can barely ride a bicycle no matter how hard you try. It appears that Sterling's weakness is "common sense understanding" when it comes to looking at various free energy propositions. The man is not in the right line of work!
MileHigh
@DomiChi
Or you are a retarded ... or you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
Hi MiileHigh
I and many others have been banned from Freeenergynews. Sterling is a scammer and con man as he has been made well aware by many the short comings of Yilditz, as he was of Mike Brady and many others who he continued to promote.
And why there are people who are desperate to believe he will continue to be supported, which is everyone's choice.
This time last year he raised over $6000 for the SA generator, which he put in his own pocket.
Conman is too kind.
Mark
Hi MiileHig
Hi markdansie
And now? What are we waiting to EXPOSE that STERLING is another SCAMMER?
He recruits people (crowd founders) through Facebook, YouTube and his CHARADE FORUM.
We have many tools to EXPOSE him.!!
I can assist you for this purpose. But you are much "older" (prestige) than me, and I can´t do it alone.
SERIOUSLY, THINK ABOUT THIS.
WE NOT MUST ALLOW THE SCAMS IN THE NAME OF THE FREE ENERGY !
Kindest Regards
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 21, 2013, 09:53:21 AM
@DomiChi
Or you are a retarded ... o you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
On this poor forum we cannot supprest our own post, even not yet posted, it was what i wanted to do with my previous one because I had not seen that it was you. I did not want to always repeat the same to your poor level post.
Quote from: markdansie on April 21, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
This time last year he raised over $6000 for the SA generator, which he put in his own pocket.
He also has to be paid, it is living job, and he paids from his pocket for other thing. And he provide us open pattent. Where is there another open patent provider?
He has just mean obligation, no result obligation, because he is not always alone to decide. He said he will go to Geneva with the amount to see Yildiz. He went to Geneva. If we do not want to pay for that we are not oblige.
There is only one thing that he does not honour, it is open patent.
If we do not want to pay his salary, we are not oblige.
But you, you are to late, you had to say that on, and to indiegogo.com. And if people continue to pay as they are informed then you have nothing to say. I think indiegogo has his own chart to avoid scam.
But if you can do better, open your Internet site, there is not so much on Internet there is place for competition.
But here it is just free calomny without link to Yildiz. Allan is not in his team.
Cazador,
Indeed there are folks who have a kind of mother-hen sense about the free energy field, that would like nothing better than to see it kept free from deceit. It seems it's the very nature of the beast that it is a magnet (no pun intended) for less than honest schemes.
One would hope that Sterling's site Peswiki, since it is by far the most prominent and informative alternative-energy site around, would be the foremost champion for the cause and would make every effort possible to keep things clean by revealing the scams when they arise. Sadly, it appears that it is up-side-down.
That said, Mark seems to be doing his part. He freely shares with us here, and on Gary's SmartScarecrow Show. Speaking of which, in an effort to do my bit, I posted an Open Letter to Gary, on his forum, which can be found here: http://smartscarecrow.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=11 (http://smartscarecrow.com/forum/?mingleforumaction=viewforum&f=2.0)
So I think the exposure is happening already, and a lot of people are simply waking up on their own.
Peace,
jt
Good for you JamesThomas!!
I have read your Open Letter. This words summarize all the subject:
" ... It seems what we really have here – under the facade of honest, investigative reporting and journalism – is a scheme to milk peoples hopes and dreams for all they're worth. Sterling grossly manipulates the information he gathers so that it presents a quality, validity and honesty of people and their apparatus that in reality is not there ..."
We hope to see what is the answer from Smartscarecrow (if there is any answer).
Kindest Regards
@de truchos.there are 3 ways to react to the yildiz demo.1) dismissal 2)indifference 3)look for clues to support the possibility of a working theory.the choice you take will depend on a set of completely random factors,knowledge,nationality,age,sex,what you had for breakfast.its utterly pointless,much less useful,to scream scam in my opinion.
@profitis
YOU CAN´T SEE THAT ?
@shadow @james thomas,you guys whine and whine yet you forget that you(and me) are of absolute zero importance in the matter of what goes on between yildiz and the dutch entity who are now in control of that situation.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 21, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
@profitis
YOU CAN´T SEE THAT ?
Can we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.
I already have seen these 2 in geneva, it is not information.
@DomiChi:
Or you are a retarded ... or you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
You sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show.
Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
DomiChi and profitis, Yildiz has not presented us with real evidence, all that we have from him and his "super elite professional" team is pure theater, sleight of hands to shift people's attention to meaningless already obvious details.
After the Michael J. Brady fiasco Allan set his words to be more wise than the fool that he has been in the past, to know better and go deeper into the evidences (or lack of any). So far he has done nothing, absolutely nothing of what he promised to his readers after that fiasco, his approach has been exactly the same shit that it was during the Perendev scam, speeches of "why I think this is real", "I am now more conviced that it is true", "Duarte's testimony is enough proof that it works".
If the authorities start digging into Allan's activities they might end up charging him with embezzlement/fraud, he has been on a continuous processes of asking money to cover his expenses to trips that should have returned the results that were promised, instead it resulted in plain bullshit with absolutely no intention of digging deep into Yildiz's motor and some really nice vacations, payed again by the donator's money. And now he goes at it again asking for more money with the excuse of "there were more expenses than what the money could cover so please give me more money, I still want to buy a new car with your own money".
It is a complete joke and absolute lack of proffessionalism from his part and I really hope that something is done about this sharade.
Your "idols" are scammers and you keep defending their side with no proof, no way to refute the scam, no idea of what you talk so you just end up using ignorant quotes, retard papers that talk about a lot of shit but still prove nothing, in it or about it.
You are weak minded and you belong in the category of Sterling's crazy people, as long as he doesn't go to jail.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 21, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
@DomiChi:
Or you are a retarded ... or you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
You sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show.
Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
I just like the sponsored link on this forum. I just want new one between new posts. It is all the information that we can get here.
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 12:15:04 PM
@shadow @james thomas,you guys whine and whine yet you forget that you(and me) are of absolute zero importance in the matter of what goes on between yildiz and the dutch entity who are now in control of that situation.
I'm not all that concerned with Yildiz. It's the corruption of the monarch of free energy that troubles me. He ain't wearing no cloths.
STERLING ALLAN, HAS DONE VERY MUCH FOR THE FREE ENERGY MOVEMENT !
ISNT IT?
@shadow,how many times must i say this?yildiz has absolutely nothing to prove to you,his main goal and intention was to prove something to the corporates present at the demo.wether they have decided to take the matter further we may never know.if he was reeeally intending to scam these billionaires do you honestly think he would fuck the demo up ten minutes into it?preposterous man.
@de truchos.you are basicly saying that yildiz is trying to scam billionaire corporates present at the demo with a lousy half-working model flywheel? Laughable.
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
@shadow,how many times must i say this?yildiz has absolutely nothing to prove to you,his main goal and intention was to prove something to the corporates present at the demo.wether they have decided to take the matter further we may never know.if he was reeeally intending to scam these billionaires do you honestly think he would fuck the demo up ten minutes into it?preposterous man.
Why are people unable to calculate the run time of Yildiz's motor? According to Sterling himself it ran from 10:28 am to 2:50 pm, with decreasing RPM the last hour. That is not "ten minutes". Actually it's not 4.5 hours either, it's only 4.37 hours, but never mind that.
However, if you check carefully, you will find that around 5 hours is all that Yildiz has ever actually ever demonstrated, or rather realistically offered to demonstrate (Delft, Eindhoven) from this motor.
Yildiz is typical of his ilk. He himself is a bit deluded about his own genius and the stupidity of the fools around him. Of course he is looking for that one big fish, who himself might not care whether Yildiz has what he claims or not. As long as the claim, and the man, can be _exploited_ for profit, who cares whether it's real or not? So run the thoughts of many wealthy investors, I think. How do you think he's gotten this far?
why worry about the monarch @james?.if the allen website made the next top5 slots about space aliens 2moro do you think that would deter the movement?not at all i say,why? Because the allure of alternative energy research is fundamentaly about money in my opinion,from the researcher/inventor all the way to the journalist.other monarchs are being and will be born pronto.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 21, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
Can we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.
I already have seen these 2 in geneva, it is not information.
@CazadorDeTruchos: Why you never answer to request.
They do not come to your mind? Is there a break down like the Yildiz engine. Are you a scam ourself? Just an avatar which do not understand human?
@tinselkoala..i hear you,however,if its a case of a scammer looking for co-scammer then why didnt he get it right 6years ago?or 2 years ago?and why isnt he dead yet if the scams been going for ten long years?and why did he fuk the demo up for the purpose of luring a 'co-scammer financier?'
@DomiChi
How much money pay you Yildiz to defend him on this forum?
Stupid! everyone sees it.
Ja ja, still playing the role of an idiot.
DomiChi: GO TO SCAMMING OTHER SIDE!
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 02:58:41 PM
@shadow,how many times must i say this?yildiz has absolutely nothing to prove to you,his main goal and intention was to prove something to the corporates present at the demo.wether they have decided to take the matter further we may never know.if he was reeeally intending to scam these billionaires do you honestly think he would fuck the demo up ten minutes into it?preposterous man.
So you are saying that his 30 years in the scam business have been only a preparation to the Geneva demo which failed miserably? And we have no clue wether he will give up pursuing his scam after the recent failure?
The motor "failure" was already planned, there was no failure, it was a sideshow to use for the skeptics that were requesting the motor to run continuously for the Gevena duration, he never intended for it to run non-stop in the first place, he just went there to spice it up and attract more attention to the motor.
You don't believe that the motor failure was planed? Let's do a recap then:
The motor ran for (according to their testimony) 4 hours and 35 minutes, at which time the motor started to make some noises (no one heard them, this was all told by the Yildiz team).
So they stopped and found out that inside the motor there were bits of broken magnets, from the 1200 magnets that were present in the motor. Lie, according to his open demonstrations of the motor it cannot hold more than 250 magnets inside.
Strike one.
QuoteThe increased noise arriving, and the magnet fragments allegedly retrieved from the motor that night are consistent with the story that was told us by Yildiz about why he shut it off.
After that report Yildiz said he:
QuoteThat night, in the privacy of the motor home he had rented, he opened the motor and extricated the four magnets, two of which had obvious damage to them. In order to clean up the motor of those fragments, he would need 1.5 days and a large area to disassemble the entire motor, clean each magnet (not easy to do) and reassemble the motor.
So in conclusion the motor could not be run again, since he couldn't do the fix on the motor in the first place, but he already showed how easy it was to disassemble the motor itself, it is just a bunch of screwed parts that can be taken and put back with rather ease:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=epLOEaoPMFU#t=409s
But instead he ran it again, according to this report:
QuoteInstead, he opted to not try and resume continuous operation, but to just give brief demonstrations of the motor running for about a minute, starting it up by releasing the braking mechanism, then stopping it by re-engaging the braking mechanism. He didn't feel the motor was stable enough to run continuously, and he didn't want a cascading, cataclysmic malfunction of this motor that is 15 years old and allegedly contains some 1200 magnets.
So he was afraid of it to spin out of control because some magnets were broken... The same magnets that are part of a very meticulous schematic where every magnet is important, but afterall if we take out some magnets it can still run? So why wasn't the motor made with less magnets instead of having more of them? Is it because it doesn't matter how many are there as long as the stepped motor is present to make it all turn? This is of course just me wondering but lets take a closer look at the last part of that statement:
Quotehe didn't want a cascading, cataclysmic malfunction of this motor
We all know by now that he has inside the motor pancake coils to produce a lenz effect that limit the maximum speed at which the motor runs:
Quote(Duarte says that the stable speed is achieved through a feedback mechanism that prevents the motor spinning to destruction.)
So this excuse contradicts his previous claims, in fact it works against him. If now the motor runs slower because it is missing magnets and it still has the pancake coils to limit the maximum speed then he shouldn't have had no problem letting it run for the rest of the Geneva duration.
Strike two.
Now we reach the final part, the part about the power of the motor.
QuoteWhen the motor is not spinning, it is under tension, wanting to spin up, held still by the braking mechanism.
So far so good, according to what Yildiz says and what the videos show the motor is always on magnetic imbalance, wants to start moving at full force whenever it can. This also means that the brake that holds the motor in place needs to exert the same or a bigger force than the one that is trying to stop, in this case the motor. Lets remember it again, the brake is as strong as the power in the motor to be able to hold it still when it is activated, remember that.
QuoteAs soon as the brake is released, by Yildiz hitting a mallet against a screw driver, pushing the brake mechanism out of position, the motor immediately spins up, in maybe 1/5 of a second, to its full speed.
Makes sense afterall, it is compatible with what basic math and physics tells us about situations like these, so far so good!
QuoteI saw Duarte demonstrate to someone that when stopped, the blade is under tension of the brake, not easy to turn.
Great, everything about this subject is holding together, if the motor is so strong then it isn't easy to either stop or move by hand, but wait...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuwXLU4v_8&feature=player_detailpage#t=450s
How did that man move the fan with one finger and no effort? Is he superman? According to what has been said until now is that the motor is very strong and not easy to move with hands, so why does he move it with no effort? According to Yildiz, the brake is active since the fan is not rotating, the brake has no level of pressure so it is either activated at full force or deactivated completely so it should be holding really strong at that moment, how does the man move it so lightly?
Even if the brake had some pressure levels that were not disclosed before (according to the reports the motor should be runing slower now since it has less magnets so the brake doesn't need to be active at full force) the
RPM readings made by Yildiz's team (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Rpm-data_Yildiz_April10_300.jpg) show us that it was still runing at full force (2500 rpm after the 1500 which cause the "magnet removal"). So the brake is still at full force here.
Strike 3.
Three strikes and its a scam.
Now lets play Clue, for the sake of the argument. Let's "pretend" that (according to domichi and profitis Yildiz is legit and it is all true) Yildiz and Duarte are scammers, I can be Yildiz and DomiChi can be Duarte.
Me: So, Duarte, this Geneva thing, how are we gonna pull it off? The batteries can only run for 6h, 7h tops and it takes at least 5h for it to start heating the exterior parts. Lets not forget that we won't be able to make it run for the entire Geneva duration.
Duarte: Don't worry, we will come up with an excuse but it can't be a obvious one, we need to tell the people that some of the parts had a problem or even broke, we take the motor out to "repair" it and we switch the batteries.
Me: But what if someone from outside comes with us? We can't deny it or our scam will be discovered.
Duarte: If that happens we will show them parts of broken magnets and we say that the machine has some problems and cannot be run continuously so we will make short demonstrations of it runing. To be safe we let it run for 4 hours and 30 minutes and the rest of the power in the batteries will last for short demonstrations made in long time intervals, that way we can still have enough power in the batteries for the whole Convention.
Me: We should show them magnet tricks to avoid having them requesting more demonstrations than we can offer.
Want to counter-argument? That is how its done, if you can't argue back with proper argumentation then shut your mouth and let the adults make the talk.
@shadow...the number of magnets inside is irrelevent,thus no reason to lie..strike1.broken magnets=fucked up synchronicity,logic..strike2..there may be gears in this device..strike 3.
@shadowpt Beatifull!!!
Good point!
Strike 1, 2, 3
Knockout
@profitis: still playing the role of an idiot, ja ja ja
You and DomiChi are pathetic!
Shut yours mouths!!
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
@shadow...the number of magnets inside is irrelevent,thus no reason to lie..strike1.broken magnets=fucked up synchronicity,logic..strike2..there may be gears in this device..strike 3.
The number of magnets inside is not irrelevant when the inventor himself lies about it, it strikes him as a liar and enforces the scam side rather than the legit side: Strike one is not broken at all.
There is no synchronicity fucked up when it still produces the same RPM that it was producing before some of the magnets "broke", strike two still not broken.
What gears? Even if it has gears it makes absolutely no difference, strike three still not broken.
Your form of argumenting is the same as domichi, irrelevant and compares rocks with oranges when we are talking about water. Childish and retard to say the least, ignorance at best.
Its the same as if I said that "it is a scam because Yildiz has an Y in his name", makes no sense, right? Pretty much what you both are doing, no elaboration on real evidences, nothing relevant whatsoever.
You should both go mormon, you would be perfect at it.
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After watching the pictures of the motor and the disassembly in the video with more attention I missed out in some of the magnet count so I redid the count again with a margin of error by excess (this means that the overall count is bigger than what can be seen).
The current number of magnets that the motor holds is no more than 456 (500 by excess) which is less than half of what Yildiz said. An inventor that has been working in this motor for over 15 years would know exactly how many magnets it has inside, no less no more. Liar and scammer in every word.
I just remembered one thing now, DomiChi and profitis if you could buy the free energy motor right now would you buy it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLPhs1ChAU
I dare you to buy this and prove that you believe in what you say, it is available for sale.
It has the same evidences and final proof that Yildiz has provided to us so it is without a doubt what you are looking for and if you are so strong and truly believe in the words that you typed then prove it, buy that machine and show us all that it is true, it is real and it is not a scam afterall.
Or hide inside your closet and let your own words be the end of you.
It's your choice, now which one will you pick? The one that makes you a fool or the one that makes you a sucker?
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 21, 2013, 11:47:49 AM
Good for you JamesThomas!!
I have read your Open Letter. This words summarize all the subject:
" ... It seems what we really have here – under the facade of honest, investigative reporting and journalism – is a scheme to milk peoples hopes and dreams for all they're worth. Sterling grossly manipulates the information he gathers so that it presents a quality, validity and honesty of people and their apparatus that in reality is not there ..."
We hope to see what is the answer from Smartscarecrow (if there is any answer).
Kindest Regards
In regards our dear friend Gary and his response to my letter...I can only say that I
don't expect a written reply.
The letter stands by itself. He's read it.
I feel that Gary will take to heart anything valuable that I or others say.... and his future interviews with Sterling and others will reflect that.
Gary, is juggling a lot of stuff. For example: Sterling's presentations are a very important part of his show. First and foremost...Sterling has a lot of important information to share regarding alternative and free energy. To thoughtlessly jeopardize all that, may in the end be a detriment to the free-energy movement.
In other words: Sterling is not in anyway all bad. He has a lot of valuable information to share...most of what he shares is good stuff....and we want to keep that flowing. However, on the other hand...Sterling depends on others for support and has chosen to provide misinformation and extremely bias reporting to facilitate the maximum monetary gain.
Gary, is now, and always has been, in a position to somehow give focus to the good stuff, while at the same time attempting to direct attention away from the selfish and harmful nature of humanity.
Gary, the juggler, is an honorable man who understands the dynamics of what is happening ... probably far better than you or I.
Lets just watch and see what unfolds.
I think Sterling has shot himself in the foot on this one. He's made it plain, through the Yildiz affair, that he's strongly biased and he'll let his bias get in the way of his journalistic "responsibilties". Even if those are self-defined and not completely what we might be used to in an "investigative reporter". His maze of website pages, where bad info remains for years, and his reliance on solicited donations for his personal finances, have been made plain to lots of observers, when they might not have been so obvious before. And he definitely let a lot of people down directly, as Cazador points out.
Sterling's responses and general tone lately have made me think that he actually has cynically "gone over to the dark side" and is more or less actively and consciously supporting the scammers and false claimants that bring traffic (and revenue) to his webmaze.
Sterling is now officially the Don Knotts of free energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZGMGAu2xA
Quote from: MileHigh on April 21, 2013, 09:37:48 PM
Sterling is now officially the Don Knotts of free energy.
You are right MileHigh!
At least Don Knotts makes us laugh until you cry
STERLING makes us laugh so as not to cry And STERLING ... Not to have realized it!Please, someone to talk with him.
STERLING GROSSLY MANIPULATES THE INFORMATION AND HE IS SABOTAGING THE FREE ENERGY MOVEMENT.
Quote from: profitis on April 21, 2013, 03:06:08 PM
@de truchos.you are basicly saying that yildiz is trying to scam billionaire corporates present at the demo with a lousy half-working model flywheel? Laughable.
@Profitis, we lose our time here. In France we say: "you cannot make drink a donkey who is not thirsty". But there is worse, it is the people of bad faith. Worse than stone, with stones you can work with crystal for your health.
I opted to leave this thread to those people. Like this they have a place to put their dejections. I would not take the time to respond to their provocations. They do not answer our questions, they send another provocation. This gamme is not fun anymore.
Investors are smarter than that; they are able to see the information quality of these slanderers. But investors will not come here to have information. When I contact with Nederland University they know deTrucos slander, but they ignore it as what he is. Dutch are very tolerant. I think that was the worse on this thread, let think on bad scientist integrity. But as this is a good forum there is no moderator. Then all shit can be put here. The German web master (it is a German server) take a risk for himself money doing that. In Europe we have laws which not allowed public defamation.
From dutch, who let slanders for what they are:Just a small part for example. Because I do not want, like other guys on this forum, give false information. but this one is easy to check as it is a fact.
QuoteSomeone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 16, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
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(note that: All they are AWARDS professors & SCIENTISTS (please, they deserve a lot of respect from us. Do Not Disturb!!!)
TU Delft professors:
...
6) Johanna Myrzik
...
At the first time, I call by telephone "each one" to ask about the Yildiz´s DEMOS in his own univesities.
All responded the same thing: is a scam, is a trick, is a fake, etc
I think it's in bad taste, but in case of any doubt, I give you a print sceen of one answer from TU Delft about Yildiz.
I have 8 (eight) mails more of each one.
. Do Not Disturb!!!) yes, otherwise you can know that CazadorDeTruchos is a liar. No luck, my wife is Dutch, and my brother il law had high diplomas in Delft. I cannot let slanders saying everything.
I take a picture of this post, because there is no moderator for shit, but perhaps for himself. If this post disappears from here, I could post on another forum. Readers have right to know.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 21, 2013, 09:37:48 PM
Sterling is now officially the Don Knotts of free energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZGMGAu2xA
Your post in Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS". are a lot more clever. Do an effort, do not join this poor thread level.
@domichi..these guys cant change the laws of nature my friend.im not worried at all.
@domichi..yes these guys think that the elite circles of science are blind to certain discrepencies,like example the experiment that i suggested to de truchos to try.the elite circles are much more astute bunch and will absolutely not be scammed under any circumstances,they will thoroughly examine any and every discrepency that comes their way.
@domichi..these guys think that the demise or rise of a sterling-type website will affect the 'movement'.what movement? The elite circles of science are not in the least concerned about such childrens games.
There is another point of view:
What will happen if Philips acquires this technology and it works?
• A European company will become king of word.
And if it does not work?
• Nothing, because what is this small investment in front of 1,286 Millions of Euros cash flow that philips had in 2012.
Strange that over Atlantique people are so interested to pure European business. What is the difference with the US subprimes scandal which also had negative impact all over the world? Look in Bourse and oil company direction for example.
These scam hunters were not so active.
I think prior to buy engine, I will buy Philps stock trading. With profits I will buy some Yildiz 5Kw Engine (for home, second home, and to sell electricity to France electricity provider). No risk project as if M.Yildiz engine not work, that will not impact Philps stock trading value. I will also give this advice to my family and friends. I already asked to Philips investor relation if they stay on the line for this project. I am not sure to share the answer here.
i dont know domichi.if it works then alot of politics will come in2 the equasion.if its politicaly advantageous to throw the device into market then we may see more of it.the sudden tidal wave of open public domain free energy research may tilt a decision to go ahead and inject in2 markets,if it works properly.my advice to you is dont rush too quickly to spend any money yet,wait a little while longer.
@james thomas @tinselkoala...eisssh(thats what we south africans,white and black, say for 'sigh')..when sterlings website began 100years ago there was 98% kaka and 2% diamonds on it.today there is 98% kaka and 2% diamonds.whats changed?
So your choice is to cowardly hide in the closet that you came from and keep throwing words with no content.
Figures.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2013, 09:38:31 AM
i dont know domichi.if it works then alot of politics will come in2 the equasion.if its politicaly advantageous to throw the device into market then we may see more of it.the sudden tidal wave of open public domain free energy research may tilt a decision to go ahead and inject in2 markets,if it works properly.my advice to you is dont rush too quickly to spend any money yet,wait a little while longer.
Like all bourse investments it is long term investment. And now nodoby, or almost, because they do not believe, know that philips will have this leader position if they buy the patent today. Today stock trading cost do not take this leader position into account. After stock trading will increase. It's a gamble, but a safe bet since Philips is healthy otherwise and Yildiz investment is nothing to the size of a company like Philips. For Philips, a minor investment but with a futur big advantage. I have just to know if Philips has good chance to have the patent for him, and not another industrial as they were no enough active with and for Yildiz (they do not obtain visa for Yildiz's wife). If it is another industrial, it is from this one that I have to buy stocks. But I do not know which one. But if it is in Germany, that reduce possibilities. In France it is a not allowed to do that. They call it Insider offense. But I am not inside. I think it is also for that that Yildiz cannot speak about industrial. It is a real advantage for a industrial for a not so big cost for a multinational.
yes it will be a huge advantage for any corp domichi.i have also been thinking of approaching phillips about my own self-charging battery device but i have to get my ass into u.s.a. or europe first.most of the valuable i.p. here in south africa ends up there anyway.i would also bet on phillips to grab the yildiz i.p. if he has got the engine working apropriately.
Why yes, it will be a godsend for medicine applications and transports and space exploration, did you know that god hides behind the moon? O.o
With this magic power we can find god and we can finally shove it in the people that never believed in us. Oh wow, just imagine having a car that NEVER has to pay for fuel for years!!! WOOOW!!! Its amazing what this will contribute for our world!
We should give money and all investors should put all their money in the hands of Yildiz, it is legit! See how much this world can change with this technology? I will be able to have a cellphone that will never need to charge! Or airplanes that will stop poluting the atmosphere!
AMAZING! And another thing that is amazing, the motor can attract pure copper coins and strangely they can't attract any of the iron-silver coins, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE????!!!
It is too much reality that I cannot bare to speak, Yildiz is GOD, OMG, he is GOD!!!!!
Allah Yildiz, Allah Yildiz!
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Meanwhile, in reality world where people actually need hard evidences to prove the legitimacy of a machine instead of producing fake hopes and beliefs going around circles talking about changes and benefits that one machine can make even if the machine hasn't done it once in 30 years...
Humanity, right here guys, stupidity at the highest levels!
@shadowpt. Yes you have to pray, but pray God for being less stupid. And to learn to read. I didn't say that I will give money to Yildiz but to a multi-national which is good placement with or without Yildiz, a multinational open for a better futur, which invest for future.
Philips is a great medecin machine maker, perhaps we can use one to remove the spider with legs in water in your brain (yes in water because it already removes a big part). Have you headaches or seizuresead?
Is it you behind the moon? I can see your shadow big donkey ears.
hey @shadow,are you high on steroids?relax,nobody is going to prove anything to you,even if they have proof your highness.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
hey @shadow,are you high on steroids?relax,nobody is going to prove anything to you,even if they have proof your highness.
What? You mean that I sound insane? But I gave awesome evidences on how this technology can improve society, it has to be enough evidence that investors should give them money, why wouldn't my words of belief be enough?
I was just using your words to full extent, using the same explanations that were given to us, now you see how ridiculous it sounds?
I guess then you both should start using sound arguments instead of what you have been doing till now, now that you see how stupid it sounds you know how it feels to waste time with you and this scam.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 22, 2013, 03:24:05 PM
@shadowpt. Yes you have to pray, but pray God for being less stupid. And to learn to read. I didn't say that I will give money to Yildiz but to a multi-national which is good placement with or without Yildiz, a multinational open for a better futur, which invest for future.
Is it you behind the moon? I can see your shadow big donkey ears.
Oh frenchy, you so silly. Allways with the most childish words, good for you! Can't wait to see your miraculous machine in the papers aswell, maybe in 30 years we will be talking about your scam :D
Quote from: shadowpt on April 22, 2013, 03:47:58 PM
Oh frenchy, you so silly. Allways with the most childish words, good for you! Can't wait to see your miraculous machine in the papers aswell, maybe in 30 years we will be talking about your scam :D
Yes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.
And you, where are you from. It is not in your profile.
As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
if he has got the engine working apropriately.
The principle was working propely in Geneva. I saw it myself. Even better because it is always more difficult to restart than to let turn.
Having to redraw robust mechanical is nothing for a multinational study office. They also have access to mold part and very robust plastic which can be cheaper. They can use ceramics that Yildiz cannot. And doing so, they take ownership of patents. For them it is better than an already finish product that they just have to copy. We can consider Yildiz engines as a proof of concept, not an industrial product.
domichi,always more difficult to start than let it turn? Are you talking about the motor?how did they get it to start?
Quote from: DomiChi on April 22, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Yes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.
And you, where are you from. It is not in your profile.
As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
Oh silly frenchy I already knew that, it is the same talk that all scammers give, that is why I said "in the papers" just like mr Yildiz super magic motor. Guess you are the one that doesn't even read where you are posting ;D
Silly DomiChi
Quote from: DomiChi on April 22, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Yes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.
And you, where are you from. It is not in your profile.
As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
Yes it is what I said: As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
The answer:
Quote from: shadowpt on April 22, 2013, 11:12:15 PM
Oh silly frenchy I already knew that, it is the same talk that all scammers give, that is why I said "in the papers" just like mr Yildiz super magic motor. Guess you are the one that doesn't even read where you are posting ;D
Silly DomiChi
Quote from: profitis on April 22, 2013, 05:25:34 PM
domichi,always more difficult to start than let it turn? Are you talking about the motor?how did they get it to start?
always more difficult to start than let it turn, I spoke in general.
In Geneva he didn't use his electrical internal laucher. Some scam hunter said that it is that small launch battery which powered all the time the motor.
It was jut lanch by hand after releasing the brake if it didn't start alone.
Shadowpt first posts on this forum were to say that he did succeed with his project. But as Yildiz succeed, he moved on this thread, and he already decided that as he did not succeed himself, other cannot. This post bellow post was before Geneva demo.
But Shadowpt project was only on FEMM. I know myself, for having maid prototype, that FEMM give not always the good answer. And I have seen some posts saying the same.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 04, 2013, 07:19:49 AM
1 - Not once he opens the bottom half of the machine in a live audience ( or any other public video that I could find ), which has more than enough space to conceal an electric motor and batteries, even though he claims to have a pending patent ( for how long now? ) which would not be any obstacle to show the complete motor disassambled in public.
2 - According to the pictures in his website, the machine is based on a spiral orientation ( http://www.bsmhturk.com/galeri.php ) which we all know by now that never works and some of the pictures really resemble the perendev motor.
3 - In each video, where the machine has a long running time, you can detect a power runout by comparing the sound at start and at the end of its running time, you don't even need any special programs, your ears will do just fine ( 3:12 | 6:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU ).
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially? Since it starts with such a tremendous force and speed from start why does it loose power overtime? Don't quote his word on the "pickup coils" that regulate rpm, any normal electric engineer knows that those are useless without a electronic controller to regulate it accordingly.
5 - Not once his machine is recorded live without the fan attached to the main shaft, this is a great way to suppress the electric motor noise.
6 - The "tests" that were suppose to occur during last January are still yet to see daylight or even make "big news" in the media world.
7 - This whole theater resembles a lot a very late scheme, if you all remember this previous "legit" inventor aswell as I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amb08N05_Ww
It's simple, got a pending patent and it really is a legit OU invention? Then you have nothing to hide, not even half of the machine. If you do hide then you are yelling "scheme" all over the place.
Quote from: shadowpt on March 04, 2013, 07:19:49 AM
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially?
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity (known since 1895). Google"ewing magnetic viscosity". And also do not know that friction torque increase with speed, like Foucault effect (3 mains reason to self limiting speed).
I have another brain schema. If I do not succeed, what can I learn from Yidiz? 30 years of observation is not nothing.
I already have seen good ideas from Yildiz, but it is complicated in DIY. I want to try to do something easy and cheap to do at home if possible. There is a lot of good ideas on Internet. A lot stop before any prototype, and any proof that it will not work (R.Calloway has some that he let us try). And if I cannot succeed with magnet, I will try Schauberger hydro turbine, and R.Vialle principle. But I will not consider magnet as scam. Just, magnets need more precise conception and adjustment that I did.
yes air friction and shaft friction would definitly put a limit on speed of any such device.personaly i believe that if yildiz,s motor is genuine then he must be using either coils or metalic material to self-induct with eddies and change the properties of the magnetic field around each magnet as the other magnet passes by.this is not a simple case of just magnets repulsing each other like so many guys have tried before.we have to look at inductor circuits like rosemary ainslie,or beardin etc and try to find out if the kickback of such inductors is truly is larger than the input.therein lies the clue domichi,if inductors can work then there will be a way for a motor to work because it will then fall in line with the thermodynamics theory of steven.j.smith(google steven.j.smith magnetothermodynamics)
by the way domichi,did you notice that the vast majority of overunity device experiments on this website and other websites are in some way related to induction.there are some very complicated circuits and some very simple ones but all of them point back to the basic coil and paramagnetic core.
Have you noticed that @DomiChi and @profitis are always together, almost at the same time? Never one at a time.
They never are separate, always are together defending to YILDIZ´s KIND OF MAGIC.
WILL BE THE SAME PERSON WITH 2 DIFFERENT NICKs.?
Have you noticed that?
Looks like Yildiz´s Team pays very well ...
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 23, 2013, 09:04:16 AM
Have you noticed that @DomiChi and @profitis are always together, almost at the same time? Never one at a time.
They never are separate, always are together defending to YILDIZ´s KIND OF MAGIC.
WILL BE THE SAME PERSON WITH 2 DIFFERENT NICKs.?
Have you noticed that?
Looks like Yildiz´s Team pays very well ...
Of course, we are almost on the same time line. Near the server time line. With minimum 6h difference with you (you have to know a minimum geography).
I remember to have learn that in one of my first school http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-political-map-2000px.jpg
If you can look where is France, South Africa, and your country.
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2013, 06:04:36 AM
yes air friction and shaft friction would definitly put a limit on speed of any such device.personaly i believe that if yildiz,s motor is genuine then he must be using either coils or metalic material to self-induct with eddies and change the properties of the magnetic field around each magnet as the other magnet passes by.this is not a simple case of just magnets repulsing each other like so many guys have tried before.we have to look at inductor circuits like rosemary ainslie,or beardin etc and try to find out if the kickback of such inductors is truly is larger than the input.therein lies the clue domichi,if inductors can work then there will be a way for a motor to work because it will then fall in line with the thermodynamics theory of steven.j.smith(google steven.j.smith magnetothermodynamics)
Another thing that is genuine is the double rotor, with the inside rotor creating magnetic dynamic for all the engine. Effect creating condition for the cause is not usual. Only quantic physic already admit that ("gomme quantique" (quantum eraser)).
Quote from: DomiChi on April 23, 2013, 03:50:41 AM
Shadowpt first posts on this forum were to say that he did succeed with his project. But as Yildiz succeed, he moved on this thread, and he already decided that as he did not succeed himself, other cannot. This post bellow post was before Geneva demo.
But Shadowpt project was only on FEMM. I know myself, for having maid prototype, that FEMM give not always the good answer. And I have seen some posts saying the same.
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity (known since 1895). Google"ewing magnetic viscosity". And also do not know that friction torque increase with speed, like Foucault effect (3 mains reason to self limiting speed).
I have another brain schema. If I do not succeed, what can I learn from Yidiz? 30 years of observation is not nothing.
I already have seen good ideas from Yildiz, but it is complicated in DIY. I want to try to do something easy and cheap to do at home if possible. There is a lot of good ideas on Internet. A lot stop before any prototype, and any proof that it will not work (R.Calloway has some that he let us try). And if I cannot succeed with magnet, I will try Schauberger hydro turbine, and R.Vialle principle. But I will not consider magnet as scam. Just, magnets need more precise conception and adjustment that I did.
Oh silly DomiChi, you still don't read what is being written, in my posts I express my skepticism as to why are my results showing overunity when it clearly shouldn't , I even say that I have been studying the most common configurations to understand how they work and that all of them should always return a net result force of 0, the 2 that I found were providing a different kind of result, one I already figured out and the other I am still trying to find my mistake so I posted here to get help from anyone that might see the mistake better than me.
You would notice that right away if you even checked the title of those threads:
"Requesting decent analysis on FEMM simulation data"
"Need some help with magnetic field simulation data analysis"
Do you know what "analysis" means?
Yet again you don't even read what you talk about, childish domichi :D thats the problem with taking things out of context.
QuoteOne off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity
And after reading with more depth about the testimony of Allan I noticed that he had pancake coils to controll the maximum speed of the machine, which I even posted after
Quote from: shadowpt on March 19, 2013, 11:44:03 PMAs I said before (only one thing I withdraw which is the coils that are used to limit the speed which I confused with electronic dyno limiters that I averiguated after checking the full machine declaration)....
So, now that this is clear for you that DomiChi has no clue about research and just keeps taking things out of context, what will your big next step be?
I wonder how your magic machine will change the world, do you too want millions for your world wide patent?
Silly DomiChi, you keep trying to play this game but you keep losing everytime, it is so easy!
And remember, at least I studied FEMM so I could try these things myself and learned it so I dont need to rely on the time of others, what have you done?
Quote from: DomiChi on March 16, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
Hello everybody
In this document http://www.nuenergy.org/theoretical-self-sustaining-permanent-magnet-motor/ we can see a diagram where we can think that with this magnets configuration we obtain a rotating field.
I am not a magnetism specialist, is there somebody who can confirm that?
A FEMM simulation will be OK for me, but I don't know how to in FEMM.
Can we obtain the same with flat magnets (easier to find, this one http://www.supermagnete.de/Q-40-20-05-N for example).
Thanks in advance
Domi
Oh domichi, I guess you still keep proving that I am better than scoundrel like you ;D
You just said that you are not a magnetism specialist but you keep telling everyone that you know all about it, what a delusional child ;)
QuoteOne off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity
I am curious, can you find another wrong? Or you will just make up fake words that I never said again? Now that is calumny, the same thing that you accused me of before, except that I have all the proof for my accusation, what do you have for yours? :D :D :D
DomiChi 0 - 15 shadowpt
I am still winning ;)
yes domichi,i heard somewhere that one of the inner rotors are made of nonmagnetic plastic or resin with magnets stuck in them,and the outside stator is metallic with magnets stuck inside,this sheds some light on a eddy current theory.did you ever meet naudin before? Did he have anything intresting to say in general.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 23, 2013, 11:46:32 AM
You just said that you are not a magnetism specialist but you keep telling everyone that you know all about it, what a delusional child ;)
Since one month I had time to learn a lot from People sharing on Internet. Sharing knowledge and not gossip.
It is right that for you, one month is not enough to learn anything.
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2013, 01:38:37 PM
yes domichi,i heard somewhere that one of the inner rotors are made of nonmagnetic plastic or resin with magnets stuck in them,and the outside stator is metallic with magnets stuck inside,this sheds some light on a eddy current theory.did you ever meet naudin before? Did he have anything intresting to say in general.
To see Yildiz inside engine, I find good this one: http://youtu.be/mI3227d5Css from http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/ We can well see inside if you stop the video.
On this pesn page there is ""I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right." -- Albert Einstein" I agree.
Naudin is a positive guy, when he try something and that not work, he help to let it work. And if that works he tries to give some possible improvements.
In France he is a reference, in a lot of OU domain.
The problem is that we cannot join it. He have now some army contract of what Internet say.
On the Naudin site, there is often the counter part in English. Always well explain and his advice on OU. If I cannot succeed with pure magnetic system, I will perhaps try http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm#Orbo but bigger and with more toroïdal coil (I need more power).
With Naudin,another good site is http://www.fdp.nu/default_cached.html.
Have you noticed that @DomiChi and @profitis are always together, almost at the same time? Never one at a time.
They never are separate, always are together defending to YILDIZ´s KIND OF MAGIC.
WILL BE THE SAME PERSON WITH 2 DIFFERENT NICKs ?
Have you noticed that?
Looks like Yildiz´s Team pays well ...
@de truchos..you are realy beginning to sound crazy man.do i have a neon flashbulb on my t-shirt saying 'eat at yildiz resturant'?we are trying to chek out if thers anything that will support a working engine theory
yes domichi,naudin definitly has some diamonds on his website.the steorn device is probably a 2nd law violation but of low power output but it serves well to illustrate the many possibilities.i believe they managed to make a solid state inductive circuit related to the orbo,and then extended that into hot water induction heating for homes,which was probably their original aim and goal while flashing the orbo to public.
im just busy waiting for a chemical to arrive at a local company here which will in all probability boost my device,s power by no less than a factor of 10 or 20 domichi,im almost scared to try it lol.i might be able to pull a maximum of about 30milliampere and 1volt /centimeter2 electrode area out this battery thing.it will flash a couple of l.e.d.s forever,with zero power loss.i actually have no idea of the limitations of this thing or the number of uses for this thing.
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
yes domichi,naudin definitly has some diamonds on his website.the steorn device is probably a 2nd law violation but of low power output but it serves well to illustrate the many possibilities.i believe they managed to make a solid state inductive circuit related to the orbo,and then extended that into hot water induction heating for homes,which was probably their original aim and goal while flashing the orbo to public.
But scam hunter, as here, distroy the project. JL Naudin prove that it is working. Another scam hunter added value.
Now Steorn does not answer any more on the project. Their objective is to produce electricity. Geothermal or sun is a better maner to produce hot water.
A video Yildiz link http://youtu.be/jLVLvSZ2_BA that another French Forumer send to me (a better view on some parts).
thats usualy what happens when people display devices to the public with batteries attatched,they get bombed,even if they do give net energy.they will have to give a hell of a lot of net energy to be taken serious.a local lady,rosmary ainslie,is claiming past 10x overunity with her induction coil but i dont know what progress she is making.i have heard that she is busy validating to unknown entity,maybe sasol,the south african petroleum giant.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 23, 2013, 01:58:15 PM
Since one month I had time to learn a lot from People sharing on Internet. Sharing knowledge and not gossip.
It is right that for you, one month is not enough to learn anything.
I am sure you have, tell me do you know how to use FEMM by now? And what is that "magnetic viscosity" that you talked about?
I guess that all that you learned was new ways to enforce an obvious scam and be disrespectfull to other members.
I am still waiting for all the proof that make the motor legit, still waiting before the man goes to jail :D
Empty because cannot suppress
Quote from: shadowpt on April 23, 2013, 10:41:21 PM
I am sure you have, tell me do you know how to use FEMM by now? And what is that "magnetic viscosity" that you talked about?
I guess that all that you learned was new ways to enforce an obvious scam and be disrespectfull to other members.
I am still waiting for all the proof that make the motor legit, still waiting before the man goes to jail :D
The difference with you, I will answer to your question. My previous post stay actual:
Quote from: DomiChi on April 23, 2013, 01:29:01 AMYes it is what I said: As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
I already give you what to seacrh to find about magnetic viscosity. If I give you my link it will be in French. But it is to much information for you. As your magnetic knowledge is only FEMM and you are to lazy to instruct your self, I search for you, you can see this 3 years old thread http://www.overunity.com/8869/software-simulation-of-magnetic-viscosity/nowap/#.UXd92coZOSo (I am too charitable for guys like you, which prefers to learn only to vilify). As it is on these forum, I do not know the value if it is at your picture.
About FEMM: I now know that FEMM is not accurate, even if specialize in magnetism. It is like calculator, you need to know to do yourself before using.
Then, I open a new thread on another forum to find a better one. I will not invest time on FEMM, but on the one that we will preconize. If we can not find one and have nothing beter to do, I will do one myselft in DOT.NET with Elmer bibliotheque. And create a material bibliotheque for Elmer. Have a look on Elmer, it is 3D. (I well know microsoft .net package, I used it for a long time as professional, and now I prefer to do something else).
I also want to combine magnetism with other mechanical forces. And FEMM is not the good solution. With viscosity, simulation are to be dynamical and take into account mechanical properties (friction, inertia, centrifugal, ...). Viscosity may be a drawback, but we can also use it as Orbo. Like Foucault effects which can reverse magnetism. Also I would do to simulate the speed of free rotation with the couple. And I do not want to invest as much as in hardware. Dasault Catia is the best one but too expensive for home. But you will not like it as it is a French software, even if the Boeing Company used CATIA V3 to develop its 777 airliner. We have it in my company but I do not want hack, and it needs strong workstation, then I have not it on my laptop.
And as you like to say: SILLY shadowpt, change your simulation software. It will let you have bad conclusion.
For myself I exchange with hard simulation with Calloway advice: have a large transparent metal powder box. I add, Not plexiglas because electrostatic forces.
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
@Shadowpt and CazadorDeTruchos: Why didn't you open a thread in http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/ part of this forum, and let serious people discus over Yildiz here?
Even on http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/ nobody is ok with you? Or are you to lazy?
But now you can stay as you already polute this thread.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 24, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
The difference with you, I will answer to your question. My previous post stay actual:
I already give you what to seacrh to find about magnetic viscosity. If I give you my link it will be in French. But it is to much information for you. As your magnetic knowledge is only FEMM and you are to lazy to instruct your self, I search for you, you can see this 3 years old thread http://www.overunity.com/8869/software-simulation-of-magnetic-viscosity/nowap/#.UXd92coZOSo (I am too charitable for guys like you, which prefers to learn only to vilify). As it is on these forum, I do not know the value if it is at your picture.
About FEMM: I now know that FEMM is not accurate, even if specialize in magnetism. It is like calculator, you need to know to do yourself before using.
Then, I open a new thread on another forum to find a better one. I will not invest time on FEMM, but on the one that we will preconize. If we can not find one and have nothing beter to do, I will do one myselft in DOT.NET with Elmer bibliotheque. And create a material bibliotheque for Elmer. Have a look on Elmer, it is 3D. (I well know microsoft .net package, I used it for a long time as professional, and now I prefer to do something else).
I also want to combine magnetism with other mechanical forces. And FEMM is not the good solution. With viscosity, simulation are to be dynamical and take into account mechanical properties (friction, inertia, centrifugal, ...). Viscosity may be a drawback, but we can also use it as Orbo. Like Foucault effects which can reverse magnetism. Also I would do to simulate the speed of free rotation with the couple. And I do not want to invest as much as in hardware. Dasault Catia is the best one but too expensive for home. But you will not like it as it is a French software, even if the Boeing Company used CATIA V3 to develop its 777 airliner. We have it in my company but I do not want hack, and it needs strong workstation, then I have not it on my laptop.
And as you like to say: SILLY shadowpt, change your simulation software. It will let you have bad conclusion.
For myself I exchange with hard simulation with Calloway advice: have a large transparent metal powder box. I add, Not plexiglas because electrostatic forces.
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
For the question that you posed, FEMM works perfectly and hasn't failed once with me with all the simulations that I conducted.
Now about magnetic viscosity, if you had read or understood the main core and idea behind its functionality you would understand that you cannot achieve anything worthwhile with it, main reason is "viscosity" which renders both velocity and energy exchange useless, it isn't fast enough to be used for anything else aside cool magnets being engulfed by ferrofluid videos. Even if you make it more liquid by adding less solid components then you will need a really powerfull magnet and the permiability of the ferrofluid will be really small.
QuoteFor myself I exchange with hard simulation with Calloway advice
Well that sure is a precise way to study magnetism, I am sure it will allow you to conduct many many magnetic configurations by observing iron shards moving around in a pattern.
So far you showed me nothing more that you learned, while I have already been here since last year, I am pretty sure I have more knowledge in this than you have.
QuoteAbout Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
This thread is about the Yildiz engine and now that you have no more answers you decide to avoid any future ones? Are you yielding? By yield you admit that I am right in all that I said and you were wrong all the time. Even avoiding this you are admitting it by omission.
But lets just for the sake of it continue with one last observation like two gentlemen. This will probably take some time but I am sure it will be worth it for the sake of scientific evaluation of invention claims.
I will be asking a few questions to you that you probably already know, if you do not know then we will research any evidence about it. In the end we will both reach a conclusion and let other forum users (that might have interest) give their conclusion aswell.
(Please forget all that is above the question and focus on the answer only so we can keep this clean.)
Question number 1: DomiChi, would you agree with me that the reason why Yildiz motor could not be run continuously during the Geneva Exposition was because a few magnets broke inside the machine making it unstable to run for long periods of time?
Quote from: profitis on April 23, 2013, 06:18:46 AM
by the way domichi,did you notice that the vast majority of overunity device experiments on this website and other websites are in some way related to induction.there are some very complicated circuits and some very simple ones but all of them point back to the basic coil and paramagnetic core.
Yes but it is also easier to test than magnetic engine or Schauberger hydro turbine. Schauberger hydro turbine was working, Hitler want it for him, and after Americans destroy every plans or hardware on it (not good for oil companies). Then we have poor information on it. But if I do not succed with magnet I will try Schauberger hydro-repusine replication (some other French are doing air turbine replication and they already have good results with Schauberger ideas). Schauberger was not a scientist, then he didn't look for OU equation. But the results where enough good to destroy the roof where he was tried (to much power for the fixings, plus the weigh of the machine).
Quote from: DomiChi on April 24, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
Yes but it is also easier to test than magnetic engine or Schauberger hydro turbine. Schauberger hydro turbine was working, Hitler want it for him, and after Americans destroy every plans or hardware on it (not good for oil companies). Then we have poor information on it. But if I do not succed with magnet I will try Schauberger hydro-repusine replication (some other French are doing air turbine replication and they already have good results with Schauberger ideas). Schauberger was not a scientist, then he didn't look for OU equation. But the results where enough good to destroy the roof where he was tried (to much power for the fixings, plus the weigh of the machine).
Please forget about all that and just focus on the question at the end of my post.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 24, 2013, 01:39:33 PM
Please forget about all that and just focus on the question at the end of my post.
It was not an answer to your post but to Profitis post.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 24, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you shadowpt) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
Quote from: shadowpt on April 24, 2013, 01:31:29 PM
For the question that you posed, FEMM works perfectly and hasn't failed once with me with all the simulations that I conducted.
It is not a question, I already have the answer from hard experimentation and from other than you.
Why your first post on this forum then?
Quote from: shadowpt on April 24, 2013, 01:31:29 PM
So far you showed me nothing more that you learned, while I have already been here since last year, I am pretty sure I have more knowledge in this than you have.
Yes but you show me that your close mind will not allow you to anderstand anything about magnetic visosity usability
"I have already been here since last year" yes but you are not able to ear anything. You are not able to answer to question, because you not ear (read) them.
And if you have more knowledge than me, I cannot see it in what you said. I well want to recognize your competence gossip.
ive been thinking of ways to create a steorn engine without the need for battery domichi.what do you think would happen if we used normal coil inductors instead of toroids,and then simply short-circuit the coils as the magnets pass them.do you think that would reduce magnetic attraction at critical moment because of lenz repulsion? We would only need a tiny battery to just power a switch to short-circuit at intervals.
Useless even when I try to be a gentleman. Guess the french people are strong to their roots, run from any fight with their tails between their legs.
This thread has lost its meaning.
Have you noticed that @DomiChi and @profitis are always together, almost at the same time? Never one at a time.
They never are separate, always are together defending to YILDIZ´s KIND OF MAGIC.
WILL BE THE SAME PERSON WITH 2 DIFFERENT NICKs ?
Have you noticed that?
Looks like Yildiz´s Team pays well ...
@Domichi, what´s news about the Deutsch people and your boss YILDIZ?
HAVE WE A VALIDATION?
YES OR NOT?
This article deals with aliens?
Is there 380 Watts? or 38? or 3.8? or 0.38?
Is there any news?
OR ...
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 24, 2013, 11:25:39 PM
@Domichi, what´s news about the Deutsch people and your boss YILDIZ?
HAVE WE A VALIDATION?
YES OR NOT?
This article deals with aliens?
Is there 380 Watts? or 38? or 3.8? or 0.38?
Is there any news?
OR ...
Well said, I think Sterling is riding a slippery rail, if he falls off one side he just ends up ruining his reputation, if he falls of the other side he might be convicted of fraud.
If I was him I would get off that rail. Choose a side. Truth and valid reporting, or leading people on, hyping them up and getting donations with no follow through ect. ect..
It's kinda sad but if all the dodgy and plain false claims were given no credence there would be no problem. There is a lot of dodgy stuff on these sites, and there seems to be more and more people to believe it.
On these sites I see very little collaboration, development and testing. Mostly hunting for claims on the you tube so they can be linked for hype. Then pages of argument.
Did Yildiz run his machine for hours while powering some decent load, like more than 10 watts. Seems it would be a very expensive fan.
Cheers
@shadowpt
LISTEN TO THE 1ST. LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND keep you energy.
Don´t waste time with a Frenchman.
The frenchis are like barking dogs, but without teeth.
They speak because air is free (it´s the REAL FREE ENERGY!!)
Tomorrow the YILDIZ machine works on the Karma ... or a KIND OF MAGIC.
THE SHOW MUST GO ON!! Remember this.
It´s very clear they are sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show.
Don´t waste your time with a stupid pathetic.
Keep in touch
Quote from: profitis on April 24, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
ive been thinking of ways to create a steorn engine without the need for battery domichi.what do you think would happen if we used normal coil inductors instead of toroids,and then simply short-circuit the coils as the magnets pass them.do you think that would reduce magnetic attraction at critical moment because of lenz repulsion? We would only need a tiny battery to just power a switch to short-circuit at intervals.
You have to minimize consuption then the JL Naudin solution is the best one. To avoid battery I will use super capacitor and charge it with another generator coil. and I perhaps will put one hall detector foreach coil beacaus my short experience with magnet has prove to me that even same reference magnet have not same magnetic cloud, and not same magnetic viscosity magnetic cloud.
But first I want to finish what I am doing since it begins to work like I want. But it is long as I have a lot of metal part to do and I miss self power. It is for that (missing self power) that I lose my time on this forum. I find what I am doing on http://www.fdp.nu/triangle/default.asp with R.Calloway advice. In the texte it is said "All pull comes from the first triangle, and after that it just coasts All pull comes from the first triangle, and after that it just coasts", it is wrong it self launch everywhere on a circle way.
FDP =Flying Dutch Man Project, but Eric is not Dutch.
It is one of best site on OU, the only problem is that you have to join a Yahoo group if you want to exchange with them. There is no forum, and I can understand with what I see here.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 25, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
@shadowpt
Tomorrow the YILDIZ machine works on the Karma ... or a KIND OF MAGIC.
You are right, but it is not the Yildiz project: http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69
You have to change forum, they have their own-one. But pay attention they can repair your brain.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 25, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
@shadowpt
LISTEN TO THE 1ST. LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND keep you energy.
You have to read Steorn and The Holy Grai http://amzn.com/0557207215, perhaps this will open your mind, if you have one.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 25, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
@shadowpt
Don´t waste time with a Frenchman.
Yes, If he has time, he will not let you say anything. Prefer a shadow point
witout nationality if you have time to waste, and it is itself self perpetual renew, no answer coherent with previous post.
And when I write"not let you say
anything", it is a limited translation in this context of "n'importe quoi" in French, but I do not know the correct translation. "N"importe quoi" in French in this context says also: out of subject, wrong, stupide, no interest.
Quote from: Farmhand on April 24, 2013, 11:58:25 PM
Well said, I think Sterling is riding a slippery rail, if he falls off one side he just ends up ruining his reputation, if he falls of the other side he might be convicted of fraud.
If I was him I would get off that rail. Choose a side. Truth and valid reporting, or leading people on, hyping them up and getting donations with no follow through ect. ect..
It's kinda sad but if all the dodgy and plain false claims were given no credence there would be no problem. There is a lot of dodgy stuff on these sites, and there seems to be more and more people to believe it.
On these sites I see very little collaboration, development and testing. Mostly hunting for claims on the you tube so they can be linked for hype. Then pages of argument.
Did Yildiz run his machine for hours while powering some decent load, like more than 10 watts. Seems it would be a very expensive fan.
Cheers
You are right for most that you say. But you have to dissociate Stirling and Yildiz. I had exchange with J.Duarte (dutch professor) at Geneva, that was interesting, he began to imagine how to find physics explanation about this engine. He regrets that he could not continue to work on this enngine, but it was not a Yildiz problem. It was Nederland visa problem.
I agree that this thread is not the TOP, but there is hopefully other better thread on this forum.
Even penno64 which open this thread never come back. He opened it here and not in http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/
For me, for serious exchange I prefer other forum, and principally in French, my mother language. On this forum, there is no moderator how could recall the objectives and redirect posts in their place. On this other French forum, after giving some explaination about magnetic viscosity, they are now taking it into account and they now explain things that was wrong from FEMM before.
They also are trying to find better simulation software. The problem is that other softwares are expensive or like Elmer require some more mathematicals knowledge.
But on all forums you have scam hunter which polute. They learn from the past, but they also learn wrong thing from the past. And they think that it is right. Like energy conservation law that has to be completed with all known energies. That will be a problem, as black energy is infinit (75% of univers, but with low density).
As I am also interest with Healing with vital energy, I just comeback from one of these blogs. Day and night. All posts finish with something like "Love". We are far from this here. It is exactly the contrary. OU will never born here. We are making our live with our brain, there is no hazard, here is not live that I want. When I spoke of black energy, I think zero point energy, but here it is real black, negative energy, FLEE.
I do not need this black negative energy even if free. And even if I can protect myself from this negative energy (thank you Mickael archangel)
I know that the pugs will try to attack me on this point. It will be in vain because I will not discuss here something pure. And they will not follow me on vital energy blogs, they are to affraid to be put infront of them self there.
lol@de truchos.i see you still didnt do the incredibly simple experiment i suggested which fucks the 2nd law thermodynamics straight,sideways,up and down.
what reputation @farmhand? Sterling and even our own overunity.com websites are regarded as jokes by the elite science circles while at the same time they pull any valuable info that might actualy be worth anything from them :-)
true@domichi.its difficult to find posters here who are 1)openminded to all possibilities and 2)who are on the same intellectual/knowledge level to counter-argue with valuable input.i have seen a few real geniuses pop in on these forums but they are rare gems.there are definitly some good forums out there where the real intellectuals have a fun bash at each other.then ther are other forums like vortex or ecatnews where elite circles and ordinary guys come 2gether and some truly valuable discussions are born indeed.this thread is more testosterone than anything of value.
Quote from: profitis on April 25, 2013, 07:11:57 AM
what reputation @farmhand? Sterling and even our own overunity.com websites are regarded as jokes by the elite science circles while at the same time they pull any valuable info that might actualy be worth anything from them :-)
I agree, and worse for OverUnity. Dutch prof. let it for what it is: nothing.
When you say vortex forum,
at which adress? As I will work on Schauberger Vortex than can be interesting for me.
"this thread is more testosterone than anything of value" yes it is a pitty because finding the Yildiz secret and use it had been very interesting. Even this thread creator never come back.
On a French forum, I have a friend how already modelize the Yildiz magnetic flow from the pattent. I asked him to update from what we saw in Geneva (because contrary what is said by the 2 pugs , there was things to see in Geneva: They put films to see outside magnetics fields on the engine, and my friend saw something not in accordance with his mathematics model, and he already knows where is the mistake in his mathematics model). In resume, his model is not stage by stage to understand the engine, but combine all the stage fields to understand the necessary instability. As soon as he will put back his explanation on youtube I will tell you. It is in French but as it is a big part on vectors it is also very visual.
On this French forum we also have scam hunter. But when they arrive I tell them that pure gossip is not welcome. And if they cannot reproduce a system, I always say contact the person how is sharing before saying that it not work. They just are alowed to say that they do not succeed. For example the engine that I am trying to reproduce, was never working before, but they stop to quickly. For me, until now the system work like I want (I have only a quarter done then it is not yet perpetual, but it stop where I stop building). As I am not powerfull this time then I order prepared piece to continue, it will delay one week more, but I do not stop. Nothing can stop a passionate. But it does not take much to stop losing starters. Univers move from a long time, and we never use this energy, That have to be corrected even with R.Vialle theory, for which we have the scientists formula (out of 1rst law) .http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM and http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/index.htm.
@DomiChiP:
Schauberger has been an interested of mine for a long time. I would like to see your work and experiments with the "Schauberger-Vortex". Do you care to start a new thread here and share your discoveries?
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on April 25, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
@DomiChiP:
Schauberger has been an interested of mine for a long time. I would like to see your work and experiments with the "Schauberger-Vortex". Do you care to start a new thread here and share your discoveries?
truesearch
I already have done the mold for making the vortex which will support the pipes, but I stop because it was the winter here in France. And I didn't want to play with water when it was so cold. Then I chose to try magnet during waiting sun. But sun is coming. With magnet I think there is only a working one that we can do ourself, it is the steorn Orbo, like Naudin replication. Yildiz is to complicate to do it at home (he has to make us a kit), an Johnson use out of age magnet. But Steorn is not magnet but electro-magnet. With Schauberger repulsine we also to have a motor. Magnet motor had been a good chalenge.
We allready have threads on Magnetosynergie and Quartz already work a lot on air turbine http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33. What I already discovered is that the vortex cone is not exactly like the mathematic model. I use the real one to make my mold. But you know that north and south of earth have not the same one (not in the same direction), then the turbine have to take that into account.
A good doc is http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf, take time to translate it with google. You will discover that since 3000 years OU is hidden. And a lot of other usefull informations, also that conchoid is OU.
@DomiChi:
Thanks for your reply. I visited your thread on Magnetosynergie but I can't read French, and Google-Translate isn't very good. . . .
I hope you share your work here on overunity.com.
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on April 25, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
@DomiChi:
Thanks for your reply. I visited your thread on Magnetosynergie but I can't read French, and Google-Translate isn't very good. . . .
I hope you share your work here on overunity.com.
truesearch
Yes if I have results. I do not want to be like the pugs. It is not because I not succeed that I will say that Schauberger did not work. But just that I miss information.
@domichi,i was checking out the naudin experiments on r.vialle,very interesting.unfortunately i cant post a link to the vortex site because im typing through a cell fone here under opera mini compression but you can google 'vortex-l' and it will show you the link.some very respected physicists and ordinary guys discuss anything and everything on there from zero point to cold fusion to any topic much like here.i was thinking of another way to create a steorn-yildiz type engine without any batteries that might work: if we throw away the toroids/coils and replace with a weak paramagnetic metal e.g. aluminum disks or manganese disks..then when the magnet accelerates towards it a eddy current induction and lenz repulsion at critical moment happens to let magnet pass.very strong neo magnets should be able to do this and it might be key to yildiz secret,its worth testing because no circuit required.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 25, 2013, 01:19:18 AM
You are right, but it is not the Yildiz project: http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69 (http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69)
You have to change forum, they have their own-one. But pay attention they can repair your brain.
Are you endorsing this website and the claims made therein, or are you just joking around?
There is no empirical support for the claims made by Yildiz. You can claim whatever you like from your personal visits, but the information that is solidly available to the "common person" on the internet indicates nothing more than a clever scam. And until YOU can provide proof that your visits gave you any information that the "common person" doesn't have..... then the proper conclusion is that Yildiz, once again, has succeeded in fooling a bunch of people including YOU.
This "charging batteries by thinking about it" webshite you have linked has nothing to do with the topic under discussion, unless of course you are posting it as another example of a scam that takes money from gullible people.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 25, 2013, 04:16:10 AM
As I am also interest with Healing with vital energy, I just comeback from one of these blogs. Day and night...
I do not need this black negative energy even if free. And even if I can protect myself from this negative energy (thank you Mickael archangel) ...
@DomichiOHHH MY GOD!! You are very sick Domichi. Do you know this?
What's Next?
A speech about quantum medicine?You are more sicker than I thought.
Read about the
Steorn Orbo Jury issues verdict: no excess energy (written by the same STERLING ALLAN in 2009).
http://www.examiner.com/article/steorn-jury-issues-verdict-no-excess-energy
GO BACK to your cosmic forum and stop teasing here!!This article deals with aliens?
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 26, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
@Domichi
OHHH MY GOD!! You are very sick Domichi. Do you know this?
What's Next?
A speech about quantum medicine?
You are more sicker than I thought.
Read about the Steorn Orbo Jury issues verdict: no excess energy (written by the same STERLING ALLAN in 2009).
http://www.examiner.com/article/steorn-jury-issues-verdict-no-excess-energy
GO BACK to your cosmic forum and stop teasing here!!
PATHETIC!! STUPID!!!
You are in the wrong thread, there is a topic for the scam hunter.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2013, 06:29:48 PM
This "charging batteries by thinking about it" webshite you have linked has nothing to do with the topic under discussion, unless of course you are posting it as another example of a scam that takes money from gullible people.
It was just to answer to the pugs about what he call magie, that there is not always formula or something to see by common people.
For Amazonian people hand lamp is also magie. Like Yildiz for him.
Quote from: CazadorDeTruchos on April 26, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
@Domichi
A speech about quantum medicine?
Read about the Steorn Orbo Jury issues verdict: no excess energy (written by the same STERLING ALLAN in 2009).
http://www.examiner.com/article/steorn-jury-issues-verdict-no-excess-energy
A speech about quantum medicine?: not on this forum, it is too subtile for you.
written by the same STERLING ALLAN: Allan is not my reference for steorne orbo, I prefer JL Naudin: http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm.
Quote from: truesearch on April 25, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
@DomiChi:
Thanks for your reply. I visited your thread on Magnetosynergie but I can't read French, and Google-Translate isn't very good. . . .
I hope you share your work here on overunity.com.
truesearch
Yes iI prefer http://onlinedoctranslator.com/index.html when I want good translation. I use it to translate German Yildiz pattent and I correct myself what was difficult to directly read.
Quote from: profitis on April 25, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
@domichi,i was checking out the naudin experiments on r.vialle,very interesting.unfortunately i cant post a link to the vortex site because im typing through a cell fone here under opera mini compression but you can google 'vortex-l' and it will show you the link.some very respected physicists and ordinary guys discuss anything and everything on there from zero point to cold fusion to any topic much like here.i was thinking of another way to create a steorn-yildiz type engine without any batteries that might work: if we throw away the toroids/coils and replace with a weak paramagnetic metal e.g. aluminum disks or manganese disks..then when the magnet accelerates towards it a eddy current induction and lenz repulsion at critical moment happens to let magnet pass.very strong neo magnets should be able to do this and it might be key to yildiz secret,its worth testing because no circuit required.
The 'vortex-l' that ggogle gives me is not realy a forum, but a an internet email forum or "list." . Is it what you mean?
@shadowpt
As you have reed my post http://www.overunity.com/13390/rotating-magnetic-field/#.UXpN7soZOSo, and you well know magnetism and FEMM, why didn't you answer me on this thread?
yes domichi.that is the right vortex-l forums.plenty interesting stuff there.i have decided to start experimenting with a very simple method to determine a 2nd law violation with magnetic systems,im going to simply pendulum swing a magnet over the test material,eg bismuth,aluminum,manganese etc. and see if i can get a self-sustain vibration,swing motion going.im also going to investigate magnetocaloric effects and magnetochemical effects as certain soluble salts e.g. copper sulfate have paramagnetism in water solution.
Quote from: profitis on April 25, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
@domichi,i was checking out the naudin experiments on r.vialle,very interesting.unfortunately i cant post a link to the vortex site because im typing through a cell fone here under opera mini compression but you can google 'vortex-l' and it will show you the link.some very respected physicists and ordinary guys discuss anything and everything on there from zero point to cold fusion to any topic much like here.i was thinking of another way to create a steorn-yildiz type engine without any batteries that might work: if we throw away the toroids/coils and replace with a weak paramagnetic metal e.g. aluminum disks or manganese disks..then when the magnet accelerates towards it a eddy current induction and lenz repulsion at critical moment happens to let magnet pass.very strong neo magnets should be able to do this and it might be key to yildiz secret,its worth testing because no circuit required.
If that work, say me. As I am tired of trying non-working magnet replication, and as electronic is not a problem for me, if I try to replicate JL Naudin system, I will try to replicate as close as possible. Just bigger because his one have not enougt power.
Quote from: profitis on April 26, 2013, 06:51:03 AM
yes domichi.that is the right vortex-l forums.plenty interesting stuff there.i have decided to start experimenting with a very simple method to determine a 2nd law violation with magnetic systems,im going to simply pendulum swing a magnet over the test material,eg bismuth,aluminum,manganese etc. and see if i can get a self-sustain vibration,swing motion going.im also going to investigate magnetocaloric effects and magnetochemical effects as certain soluble salts e.g. copper sulfate have paramagnetism in water solution.
I subscribed,. They have a rule: "Pathological Skepticism is banned ". That is a good thing.
@domichi a simpler way of the steorn replication would maybe be a pendulum magnet swing over one torroid coil if any1 wants to save effort and just display principal.they would just have to calculate gravitational gains in energy/input.i,l post here if i find any confirmation of non-battery magnetic phenomena because i want to divorce from all external power inputs.
Quote from: profitis on April 26, 2013, 08:53:05 AM
@domichi a simpler way of the steorn replication would maybe be a pendulum magnet swing over one torroid coil if any1 wants to save effort and just display principal.they would just have to calculate gravitational gains in energy/input.i,l post here if i find any confirmation of non-battery magnetic phenomena because i want to divorce from all external power inputs.
@profitis: I need a power supply for a out of grid site. If I succeed and the scam hunter say it is a scam. It is OK for me. I have nothing to do with them. If from the Naudin replication I replace battery by super capacotor self charging by the steorn, for me it will be a big success and I do not need more for my need. Even, if for facility I have to charge the first time the super capacitor with my car battery.
I had prefered Yildiz, which is more powerfull, but it will take to much time before on market.
if you can play with parameters for maximum gain then you may get it right domich.im busy pendulum swinging some interesting elements and compounds over magnet now,piece of tellurium,piece of pyrite,no luck yet.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 26, 2013, 10:10:50 AM
@profitis: I need a power supply for a out of grid site. If I succeed and the scam hunter say it is a scam. It is OK for me. I have nothing to do with them. If from the Naudin replication I replace battery by super capacotor self charging by the steorn, for me it will be a big success and I do not need more for my need. Even, if for facility I have to charge the first time the super capacitor with my car battery.
I had prefered Yildiz, which is more powerfull, but it will take to much time before on market.
Is Jean-Louis Naudin running his lab and home on the national electric grid, or from some of the many overunity devices he's "proven"?
How about Steorn? Running their office and shop off of an Orbo, or a HepaHeat, are they?
They're just questions, Leon.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 26, 2013, 11:53:11 AM
Is Jean-Louis Naudin running his lab and home on the national electric grid, or from some of the many overunity devices he's "proven"?
How about Steorn? Running their office and shop off of an Orbo, or a HepaHeat, are they?
They're just questions, Leon.
I never saw his bill. Perhaps he sells electricity to the national electric provider. But I have never heard anybody how have proved that J.LNaudin is a scamer, all the contrary, a lot take him as example to replicate what He did. In France we have interest to be on the grid, we can sell electricity at a better cost that we buy. And like this we do not need to stock power.
@TinselKoala: I look at your post history, the last ones, I didn't see something from you that I can use for my need. Have you someting to propose? My need is a real need, I cannot use solar or wind. It is in a wood. I now have a thermic generator to reload 500ha batteries, but it is noisy, hot and it pollutes.
Belief and open minds will take any scammer far. Disregard science, it is useless.
We need to pray and dream of new machines that will pop-up out of nowhere to aid all our problems, nothing better than to read concept bibles that exist for ages and never proved anything or produced any real results....
Sorry, I rather stick with my science which is true and raw in its form, can validate claims and prove skeptics that they are either wrong or right.
Also, DomiChi I have good news for you! Yildiz has started selling house kit versions of his motor (or at least the plans to build it) just like you wanted, just like you said you would buy as soon as it was possible.
Well, wait no more, you can read all about it and make your application right here
http://pesn.com/2013/04/25/9602302_Yildiz-entertaining-manufacturing-licensees---BUT/
Now I am gonna start making popcorns and wait for the rest of the show, the final season is always the best one to watch.
Hmm but something like this seems very familiar to me... It reminds me of all the previous scammers that ended up selling the same exact thing when they saw they couldn't get big investors... It probably is just a coincidence.
PS: I have a feeling that Yildiz's website will be taken down really soon.
Domichi and Profits
I suggest you two consummate your relationship and book a motel room. Actually you remind me of another thread who had multiple sign ins and talked to himself. (Tesung)
Its always entertaining watching a couple of villiage idiots.
Take note form TK, go ask any of these people including Sterling how they pay for electricity.
PS here is your chance to buy a Yilditz licence.
Kind Regards
Quote from: DomiChi on April 26, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
(snip)
@TinselKoala: I look at your post history, the last ones, I didn't see something from you that I can use for my need. Have you someting to propose? My need is a real need, I cannot use solar or wind. It is in a wood. I now have a thermic generator to reload 500ha batteries, but it is noisy, hot and it pollutes.
You absolutely do need what I am demonstrating to you. It is this: Healthy skepticism.
Open minds are great..... as long as your brains don't fall out your earholes. In your case, you are far too gullible and you will be wasting your time, effort and money chasing phantoms that have absolutely Zero chance of being real.
I sympathize with your need for an alternative power supply. Wishing that Yildiz, or Steorn, or JLN might have something doesn't make it so, though.
Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor is NOT open source. End of story.
Don't waste your time on this, especially talking to these retarded scammers!
Quote from: shadowpt on April 26, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
Also, DomiChi I have good news for you! Yildiz has started selling house kit versions of his motor (or at least the plans to build it) just like you wanted, just like you said you would buy as soon as it was possible.
Well, wait no more, you can read all about it and make your application right here
http://pesn.com/2013/04/25/9602302_Yildiz-entertaining-manufacturing-licensees---BUT/
Now I am gonna start making popcorns and wait for the rest of the show, the final season is always the best one to watch.
Hmm but something like this seems very familiar to me... It reminds me of all the previous scammers that ended up selling the same exact thing when they saw they couldn't get big investors... It probably is just a coincidence.
PS: I have a feeling that Yildiz's website will be taken down really soon.
It is not a good news, it is not a product to sell as potatoes.
Like Allan, I think that it is a Yildiz error, and I am also in accordance with Allan:
QuoteBut along with that perception, one of the things that has become very clear to me is that the primary reason Mr. Yildiz is not in the market yet, even though he's had a prototype to demonstrate the principle for at least 15 years, is that while he is a brilliant inventor, he is not a brilliant businessman.
Now we have to wait that an industrial sells them, because replication without kit, seams to me too difficult. But if I have to buy outside Europe I will need more garantee. And if it is too expensive, I will study floating on water solar panels as I have an lac on my wood field.
Quote from: Ghost on April 26, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor is NOT open source. End of story.
Don't waste your time on this, especially talking to these retarded scammers!
Ghost: another non consitent thing like shadow. But against Ghost we have Ghostbuster.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 26, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
In your case, you are far too gullible and you will be wasting your time, effort and money chasing phantoms that have absolutely Zero chance of being real.
though.
Now we have one on the thread. just coincidence?
Quote from: markdansie on April 26, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Domichi and Profits
Take note form TK, go ask any of these people including Sterling how they pay for electricity.
Have you seen his electricity bill? Perhaps he sells electricity.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 26, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
I sympathize with your need for an alternative power supply. Wishing that Yildiz, or Steorn, or JLN might have something doesn't make it so, though.
If you have something more real to propose, I will study your proposal.
Scam hunter, you will have work:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130426115449.htm
lol@markdansie.you think this is entertainment only for the naysayers?my own battery trumps your eefg thingy by orders of magnitude my friend.
@tk.steorn and naudin are no fools,what they show to public and what they do behind closed doors are entirely different yet related things buddy.yilditz is a giant question mark for now,unless you have evidence for fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA ;D
Oh boy, DomiChi but you said that if it was available that you would buy it, now you are backing off your own words? You really don't stand up for what you say, and here I was thinking that you would buy it and finally prove that it is a scam but there you go again with the same old childish arguments about the user names in a forum.
I guess when you run out of things to say you just spit anything that comes out of your butt.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 02:37:08 AM
It is not a good news, it is not a product to sell as potatoes.
Like Allan, I think that it is a Yildiz error, and I am also in accordance with Allan:Now we have to wait that an industrial sells them, because replication without kit, seams to me too difficult. But if I have to buy outside Europe I will need more garantee. And if it is too expensive, I will study floating on water solar panels as I have an lac on my wood field.
But why? Do you not believe on Yildiz now? What changed? :O :O :O
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
Oh boy, DomiChi but you said that if it was available that you would buy it, now you are backing off your own words? You really don't stand up for what you say, and here I was thinking that you would buy it and finally prove that it is a scam but there you go again with the same old childish arguments about the user names in a forum.
I guess when you run out of things to say you just spit anything that comes out of your butt.
But why? Do you not believe on Yildiz now? What changed? :O :O :O
I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
user names in a forum: When you chose your pseudo, you show your mindset. We can see what we can expect from a Ghost, just trouble, otherwise stay hidden. Or a shadow which prevents light to be present.
Quote from: profitis on April 27, 2013, 05:37:36 AM
@tk.steorn and naudin are no fools,what they show to public and what they do behind closed doors are entirely different yet related things buddy.yilditz is a giant question mark for now,unless you have evidence for fraud.
I ain't your buddy, buddy, and I didn't ask what they have or don't have. I asked whether or not they are running their homes and offices and laboratories on any of the "free energy" devices they've made claims for, or are they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that... you reply as you have done, with another claim that you can't provide evidence for.
Until Yildiz provides _actual proof_ of his claims, which he has never done, the default position of any person with any kind of reasoning ability at all is that he is faking it. And the evidence that _does exist_... since it can easily be replicated by ordinary means... does not support him, but rather supports the hypothesis of fakery.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 27, 2013, 09:29:38 AM
I ain't your buddy, buddy, and I didn't ask what they have or don't have. I asked whether or not they are running their homes and offices and laboratories on any of the "free energy" devices they've made claims for, or are they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that... you reply as you have done, with another claim that you can't provide evidence for.
Until Yildiz provides _actual proof_ of his claims, which he has never done, the default position of any person with any kind of reasoning ability at all is that he is faking it. And the evidence that _does exist_... since it can easily be replicated by ordinary means... does not support him, but rather supports the hypothesis of fakery.
@TinselKoala: Hey buddy, when you say "they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that..." , how they can sell to national provider if they are not on grid?
(like droopy "I'm happy", I learn a new English word "buddy" ;-) )
As Allan said, now we have to wait for industrial product to let it turn long enough. And I agree that it is not good from Yildiz. Even if he has great magnetism intuition, Yildiz miss marketing capacity.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 09:27:55 AM
I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
user names in a forum: When you chose your pseudo, you show your mindset. We can see what we can expect from a Ghost, just trouble, otherwise stay hidden. Or a shadow which prevents light to be present.
Start reading the things that you talk about or you will just look even more pathetic.
QuoteHe also told me: "The open license will be done for the simple designs. Not industrial types" [which the above refer to].
The open license would basically consist of people being able to download plans for the motor, and if they are successful in building a company or product around that, they they would remit a royalty (e.g. 5% is what I'm recommending) on all commercial sales.
You don't have anymore excuses now that I pointed this out for you since you are really lazy on the reading.
Buy the plan, build the product and don't come back with more excuses, either you do what you said you would do and stop going after irrelevant childish arguments about user names and mindsets or you just shut up and admit by silence that this is a scam.
Your dear "Prof. J. Duarte" is as insightfull in the magnetic mechanics as a retard with a yoyo, just look at this outstanding top of the line scientific observation of the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S46QPophJbo
I really like the part at 1:04. "he is gonna try to change the speed of rotation"
And.. its the same shit as before, a wobling fan powered by hand in a motor that does nothing at all by itself.
But I guess what we all need from a very smart man like Duarte is his most smart words at 1:17 "doopshtoop doopshtoop and it goes... it is not so simple" and at the beginning "you see that? ahyeahyeahyeah you see the futuuure".
God damn retarded all around.
@tinselkoala..'as you and i both know the answer to that'?im sorry,i dont know wether they are on the national grid or not.besides,its irrelevent.is andrea rossi powering his laptop with lenr relevent to the validity of cold fusion? Philosophical questions.
Shadowpt:
lol It is one of the more bizarre clips in this episode. I can just hear any physics teacher explaining what is being observed in my head. "Note how the rotational energy is being converted into magnetic potential energy. Then it gets over the peak and the magnetic potential energy gets converted back into the rotational energy less the friction losses. You can do an integral of the torque as a function of angle, from the start angle to the finish angle to calculate the stored magnetic potential energy. When that stored magnetic potential energy is released it gets converted back into rotational energy. Note the instantaneous acceleration of the rotor is the instantaneous torque on the rotor divided by the moment of inertia of the rotor."
So that's something like what a physics teacher would say. Instead you get this bizarre scene with these men gawking at a "magnet motor" like they they have never observed this property of magnets before in their lives.
It's a watershed moment for sure.
MileHigh
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Buy the plan, build the product and don't come back with more excuses, either you do what you said you would do and stop going after irrelevant childish arguments about user names and mindsets or you just shut up and admit by silence that this is a scam.
If you had look at the smaller rotor of the Yildiz, you had seen that it is not a DIY part. It need an industrial to make it. And if you had corectly read the PES article you would know that we cannot buy the industrial plan:
QuoteThe open license will be done for the simple designs. Not industrial types
Then, if we have to let make the part (no kit avalaible), as well doing it well, in another forum we are thinking to make a company to do kits. We have to contact Halli to see what Yildiz group can propose, and also have some explaination of what is this simple design in front off the patent, we will contact also autorities to profit of all facilities than we can. As on this other forum a member has already modelize mathematicaly the Yildiz engine magnetic flow, we are condident to succeed. But do not care as it is also a scam. We will sell you at big cost in some more years.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 12:09:50 PM
If you had look at the smaller rotor of the Yildiz, you had seen that it is not a DIY part. It need an industrial to make it. And if you had corectly read the PES article you would know that we cannot buy the industrial plan:Then, in another forum we are thinking to make a company to do kits. We have to contact Halli to see what Yildiz group can propose, but also autorities to profit of all facilities than we can.
All I saw as a very easy to make motor that any CNC company can make the parts of.
If you still haven't bought the plans you cannot say anything about what can't be done or what can be done. Stop with the excuses, you said it yourself:
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 09:27:55 AM
I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
user names in a forum: When you chose your pseudo, you show your mindset. We can see what we can expect from a Ghost, just trouble, otherwise stay hidden. Or a shadow which prevents light to be present.
The open source is described as a "simple design" and can be downloaded, so before you go on with your same lame excuses buy the plans and then you can talk again.
No plans, no talk. Or you can admit (by omission) now that you are a weak person that doesn't stand for what he says and doesn't even know what he was talking all this time, either way your next answer will be the final one on this matter.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 27, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Shadowpt:
lol It is one of the more bizarre clips in this episode. I can just hear any physics teacher explaining what is being observed in my head. "Note how the rotational energy is being converted into magnetic potential energy. Then it gets over the peak and the magnetic potential energy gets converted back into the rotational energy less the friction losses. You can do an integral of the torque as a function of angle, from the start angle to the finish angle to calculate the stored magnetic potential energy. When that stored magnetic potential energy is released it gets converted back into rotational energy. Note the instantaneous acceleration of the rotor is the instantaneous torque on the rotor divided by the moment of inertia of the rotor."
So that's something like what a physics teacher would say. Instead you get this bizarre scene with these men gawking at a "magnet motor" like they they have never observed this property of magnets before in their lives.
It's a watershed moment for sure.
MileHigh
I know, right? And you can hear Allan on the background all amazed with it, as if he never saw a wankel / v-gate magnet motor before.
How low can one person get at life... Just by watching that video I can see 5 of them doing it.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 12:19:22 PM
All I saw as a very easy to make motor that any CNC company can make the parts of.
If you still haven't bought the plans you cannot say anything about what can't be done or what can be done. Stop with the excuses, you said it yourself:
The open source is described as a "simple design" and can be downloaded, so before you go on with your same lame excuses buy the plans and then you can talk again.
No plans, no talk. Or you can admit (by omission) now that you are a weak person that doesn't stand for what he says and doesn't even know what he was talking all this time, either way your next answer will be the final one on this matter.
If you had take time to read the patent. You'd have seen that we already have some plans. But YOU do not know what YOU are talking about, because YOU do not take time to study the patents. And I do not want to buy if do not know what I buy. What is this simplify design? YOU the service scam hunter, do YOU know what is this simplify design?
I do not buy a toy just to play with. I have a real need.
And if we have to buy CNC program, it is better to manufacture more than one piece. Do YOU know that?
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 12:30:46 PM
How low can one person get at life... Just by watching that video I can see 5 of them doing it.
You have to proof that you are better. Also because you do not answer to question.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 26, 2013, 05:59:37 AM
@shadowpt
As you have reed my post http://www.overunity.com/13390/rotating-magnetic-field/#.UXpN7soZOSo, and you well know magnetism and FEMM, why didn't you answer me on this "rotating-magnetic-field" thread?
and you never answer to any question.
J.Duart is professor in Nederland at Eindovhen+Delft. Where are you prof? Prof of what?
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." - Popular
Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
I am very strong I have one in my pocket.
Another one from scientist?
"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be
obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at
will." -- Albert Einstein, 1932
"The energy produced by the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who
expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is
talking moonshine" - Ernst Rutherford, 1933
There is a lot more at http://amasci.com/freenrg/laughed.html
Are you in "The Experts Speak" http://amzn.com/0679778063 ?
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
If you had take time to read the patent. You'd have seen that we already have some plans. But YOU do not know what YOU are talking about, because YOU do not take time to study the patents. And I do not want to buy if do not know what I buy. What is this simplify design? YOU the service scam hunter, do YOU know what is this simplify design?
I do not buy a toy just to play with. I have a real need.
And if we have to buy CNC program, it is better to manufacture more than one piece. Do YOU know that?
So you choose the weaker way, its fair. After all your big talk and "I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old" you finally show that not even you will give money to Yildiz.
Smart, at least one time.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 01:17:22 PM
You have to proof that you are better. Also because you do not answer to question.and you never answer to any question.
J.Duart is professor in Nederland at Eindovhen+Delft. Where are you prof? Prof of what?
First: I don't have to prove anything about myself, the thread is about Yildiz and his scam. I never claimed to be an physics expert, never claimed to have any degree on it, all I said is that I already tested many configurations in various simulations, read about the most of the "magic motors" that are more known and used that knowledge to analyze Yildiz's circus.
So far all you have done has been absolutely nothing, you go in circles, avoid direct questionings, you do absolutely shit about this and you still ask for proof? Go be the French that you are and get lost already, why the hell are you still here?
Second: How did you want me to answer a question when that same post that you made was not close to that before? You edited it after a while, how would I guess?
But if you want an answer for that it is simple, it is the same reason why almost no one bothered with it (Including profitis): It doesn't work, there is no rotating magnetic field in what you posted. Pictures don't make reality true.
If you insisted on me to answer that to you then you just showed everyone that you don't know nothing about anything here so shut your hole or get lost, you are passing by the same crazy nutjobs portraited in that video : Absolute retards.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 01:40:50 PM
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." - Popular
Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
I am very strong I have one in my pocket.
Another one from scientist?
"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be
obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at
will." -- Albert Einstein, 1932
There is a lot more at http://amasci.com/freenrg/laughed.html
Are you in "The Experts Speak" http://amzn.com/0679778063 ?
LOL you are really beyond stupid, why do you keep posting unrelated stuff that proves no point at all beside your imaginary world? Why do you still keep using quotes on an argument when you should know by now that quotes are meaningless if the person using them doesn't even know what he is talking about?
You should just stop embarassing your country, it wasn't enough that their image is of people that run away from any fight, now you want them to also be portraited as the dumbest people on earth.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
LOL you are really beyond stupid, why do you keep posting unrelated stuff that proves no point at all beside your imaginary world? Why do you still keep using quotes on an argument when you should know by now that quotes are meaningless if the person using them doesn't even know what he is talking about?
You should just stop embarassing your country, it wasn't enough that their image is of people that run away from any fight, now you want them to also be portraited as the dumbest people on earth.
It is unrelated with Yildiz engine, but well related with you.
"their image is of people that run away from any fight" I prefers that, than liar country. Where are the nuclear missiles? Finaly France was the most honest. Like here.
You're not aware with the news, where are US in Mali? But Africa is not interested there is not enough petroleum, to continue to pollute rest of the world as US make no effort. People are not important. Just dibs, like with subprimes.
I already had to go to help in Columbia, did you ever help somewhere else than in US, and even in US? I could see in Atlanta the most dirty smoker room of the world. Asia smoker room are cleaner (just to show you that I went there).
But there is nothing in that related to Wildiz. It is just an answer to your launched shit.
I have to explain to you as you do not understood before.
Sorry for US but he began against France. It is not what I wanted. I have colleagues in US.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
I never claimed to be an physics expert, never claimed to have any degree on it
And with your big experience of 20 yeras old people, you allow yourself to have this talk about an old professor.
Strange education.
You better have to go to your study. Not only scolar but also human. 5 Toltecs agreements wil have a big benefit for you.
@domichi,ive just sent phil hardcastle from the other quenco thread a email.i think he obtained some electricity from his thermionic device,im waiting confirmation.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 27, 2013, 03:29:17 PM
And with your big experience of 20 yeras old people, you allow yourself to have this talk about an old professor.
Strange education.
You better have to go to your study. Not only scolar but also human. 5 Toltecs agreements wil have a big benefit for you.
DomiChi you have nothing else to add to this conversation, you chose not to buy the plans even after you said you would buy them right away, you even said that you were gonna leave this forum and you are still here.
Just leave and stop being so pathetic.
Profits
Yilditz and Phil have a lot in common. One is missing deadlines and real data and a whole lot of claims and Hype. They also do not have over unity technology.
I gather you are rather new to this so I guess yoru ignorance can be excused.
Kind Regards
Profits & Domichi
To save space I have replied to many of your points. You ignorance is no excuse but understandable.
1. Sterling has admitted recently and in public he has no free energy devices or technology powering his car or home.
2. Bring Yilditz to USA and you will. soon see how quickly he lasts without being charged. Look at The JR Papp episode recently. I have done more than my share of legal depositions putting these fraudsters behind bars and welcome the opportunity.
3. Go buy the plans you are so convinced about. Actions speak louder than words, when the opportunity comes to act you run. Cowards.
4. My track record has one blemish (please do not remind me TK), vs Sterling's 100% failure. History will be kind to me lol
5. I support and encourage the real people doing work in these fields like TK and many others you will never find on forums
Have a nice life, all the best with your quest with independent energy, I think the solar option is a good one.
Kind Regards
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 07:51:56 PM
DomiChi you have nothing else to add to this conversation, you chose not to buy the plans even after you said you would buy them right away, you even said that you were gonna leave this forum and you are still here.
Just leave and stop being so pathetic.
The difference between me and a baby like you, is that with friend we try to leran and to unerstand.
My friend has put the Yildiz motor explaination on line http://youtu.be/A5Zh6LZo5g4. You can hear at the beginning that he thanks me on my pseudo.
Moreover, I use one of the conclusions to think the system I'm doing (do not avaoid stick point, use it if you want couple).
From the demonstration do not try on FEMM because it is volume, then 3D.
And for buying the plan, as Yildiz want to sell industrial plan only to industrial society, I cannot buy.
And about leaving this forum, I hoped to put someting in your empty brain. But as it it impossible mission I will live as soon as there will be no more post concerning me directly and not the Yildiz. I'm not a shadow me.
But you will have to quit also because you are not on the good thread, you have to go to http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/. Here is a post to speak about Yildiz technics. Even its creator never come back as it is polute by you.
And the link to my friend video is the only thing interesting on this thread.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 28, 2013, 02:23:07 AM
The difference between me and a baby like you, is that with friend we try to leran and to unerstand.
My friend has put the Yildiz motor explaination on line http://youtu.be/A5Zh6LZo5g4. You can hear at the beginning that he thanks me on my pseudo.
Moreover, I use one of the conclusions to think the system I'm doing (do not avaoid stick point, use it if you want couple).
From the demonstration do not try on FEMM because it is volume, then 3D.
And for buying the plan, as Yildiz want to sell industrial plan only to industrial society, I cannot buy.
And about leaving this forum, I hoped to put someting in your empty brain. But as it it impossible mission I will live as soon as there will be no more post concerning me directly and not the Yildiz. I'm not a shadow me.
But you will have to quit also because you are not on the good thread, you have to go to http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/. Here is a post to speak about Yildiz technics. Even its creator never come back as it is polute by you.
And the link to my friend video is the only thing interesting on this thread.
First that video proves nothing at all, it is exactly the same babling that you have infested in this thread, links to alternative energy that exist for 5000 years but prove to not work at all, concepts and ideas that are nothing more than that, examples of failed attempts and previous scammers.
And again for the third time, Yildiz is selling household plans, not just industrial ones, why do you keep faking that all he wants to sell are industrial plans? It is right in his freaking website and in his email.
As far as interest in this thread goes the fact that 2 people like you and profitis try so hard to make a scam look legit will be used for the upcoming scammer as a pure example of denial over ignorance and how to properly conduct observations on unbelieavable claims.
As for me I don't have to go anywhere, I have brought to this thread evidence and clear scam pointers delivered by Yildiz's team while all you have done is talk about nonsense after nonsense, trying to act like you know anything when you know nothing at all, making promises that you end up trying to avoid them at all costs.
Go back to the hole that you came from and play more with your iron shards and magnets, I am sure that in your imaginary world they are much better than FEMM, just like your idea of a water funil being able to fill itself.
Jesus christ, stupidity really has no limits.
yes @markdansie i am quite new to the whole forum thing but definitly not new to science,ive had to text-book correct one or 2 professors before at the local universities during casual conversation lol.im just here to have fun and at same time show off my own gadget.you are totaly right that yilmiz has zippo to show,us,but what has he to show,them?we may never know.phil hardcastle i respect deeply as he is promoting a deeper knowledge on the 2lot,which i have personaly seen violated and have already given evidence for in the experiment i threw at de truchos to try out.its easy to play with parameters in my field(electrochemistry),but imagine the difficulties in trying to vapour deposit barium metal at 3nanometer thickness onto a silicon wafer at perfection smoothness and then lay a graphite 2nanometer layer ontop that at total precision.not very easy.
The shadowpt world: http://youtu.be/2yfePu67xoI? I find for you an easy Engish speaking vidéo.
Shadowpt lift your spirit. See the sun.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 28, 2013, 04:40:12 AM
First that video proves nothing at all, it is exactly the same babling that you have infested in this thread, links to alternative energy that
You better say: "I understand nothing because I do not take time to look at the patent. I have to translate it from German to English".
I did it for Zanod to French. But in France we share, also the work.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 28, 2013, 04:40:12 AM
Jesus christ, stupidity really has no limits.
I am not sure that you alowed to speak about Jesus christ with what you said before. You do not practice.
If you die now, and you have to explain what you have done good during your live, ...
@domichi..shadow is blind,he clings to materialist 2 dimensional space,such types cannot see through the eyes of the enlightened genius.its like talking to a brick wall.
Quote from: profitis on April 28, 2013, 10:39:45 AM
@domichi..shadow is blind,he clings to materialist 2 dimensional space,such types cannot see through the eyes of the enlightened genius.its like talking to a brick wall.
@Profitis: I agree, and it is a pitty because he is young (20).
But I stay optimitics, my friends in France working on the subject are also young (less than 30) and they are not like this wall.
Futur will come from East of American continent. But it is good for my grandchildren.
I have to say that east of american continent is Europe and Africa, because Americans are able to not know, as in previous post they do not know time line. In fact China has most of rare earth mines, and they buy other mines in Africa. Then futur can also come from China. They will sell us neodium magnets.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 28, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
@Profitis: I agree, and it is a pitty because he is young (20).
But I stay optimitics, my friends in France working on the subject are also young (less than 30) and they are not like this wall.
Futur will come from East of American continent. But it is good for my grandchildren.
I have to say that east of american continent is Europe and Africa, because Americans are able to not know, as in previous post they do not know time line. In fact China has most of rare earth mines, and they buy other mines in Africa. Then futur can also come from China. They will sell us neodium magnets.
Who are you to keep lying, especially about my age? Making false statements again? That suits your kind perfectly.
QuoteAnd about leaving this forum, I hoped to put someting in your empty brain. But as it it impossible mission I will live as soon as there will be no more post concerning me directly and not the Yildiz. I'm not a shadow me.
QuoteYes I will leave this forum, not because you want, as I am alone to try to avoid rumor propagation.
In all your posts that replied to mine that ended with the request for you to leave this forum you wrote the same thing as above, after doing a quick back search on those posts I have seen that you edited them all and removed that part from your posts, not only that but you changed completely many of the words and the meaning of them that you originally wrote.
Like I said before you don't even know what you talk about and one of your edited posts shows the final evidence of that.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 26, 2013, 01:03:54 AM
Yes iI prefer http://onlinedoctranslator.com/index.html when I want good translation. I use it to translate German Yildiz pattent and I correct myself what was difficult to directly read.
You are using a freaking translator to understand what is even being explained in documents, that is the most stupidest thing I have ever seen. The translations are often bogus and misleading, they don't reflect what is actually being said and in most cases it translates the right words but the wrong meanings.
As I previously said before and many other realistic forum users in this thread already noticed, you are talking about what you don't understand on the first place.
But let's not stop here, let's check this very expertised display of computer knowledge from DomiChi.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 20, 2013, 04:13:22 PM
Is that a threat? You know that I can attact you with lawyer? I am not as tolerant as Dutch people. Your IP is traced.
You just have to hope that nothing hapen to me now. Perhaps I can make something to have money to finance Yildiz from you. Have you an house not too small. It will be enough.
Yes it is not just a screen in front of you.
Empty argumentation and absolute lack of knowledge about how the internet works, a simple system that a regular internet user is aware of by now which he clearly lacks by a large margin. Yelling "I have a lawyer I can put you in jail" and "Your IP is traced" are words used by a child that does not understand how the real world functions.
But why stop here? Let's keep reading more great examples of this supper magnetism expert that is DomiChi and his very intelligent arguments:
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 02:54:27 AM
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Shadow is certainly a good pseudo for you. No consistency, only avoid that somebody else gets the light.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
I went there for me, and to support M.Yildiz and not for close mind people.
In France we have a proverb that says "you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey".
For me and people with me at Geneva, this engine has to progress in mechanical conception and marketing, not in principle.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
OU exits for a long time ago, 5000 years, read this http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf. It is water not magnet, but magnetic vortex also exits. And what about if Yildiz engine create this votex with it's output rotor? Enough for all the engine. Magnetic fields of each stage can be combine, also with this magnetic vortex. That is the genius idea, create global working condition from the output. But all these information can be deduct from information already on the net, like the patents and the J.Duarte report in Turkey.
The above comment reffers to a water funil that fills itself and he uses it to try and sound smart, sadly for him I already knew about that research, how retarded it is and it never worked once.
Let's continue the show that DomiChi has placed here.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 16, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
Yes I will leave this forum, not because you want, as I am alone to try to avoid rumor propagation.
But because I am tired of you, close mind guy how do not see since 5000 years (READ this PDF, not like other documentaion on Yildiz engine) that they help to keep energy not free.
And if I want to help M.Yildiz, and yes I want to help Yildiz, it is because he is alone to propose someting working. And I need this thing for an out of grid plant. I already bye the Johnson motor pdf, and that is a Scam, not because it not works, but because it is not like said, a DIY project, and it require very rare parts without plan. And on DIY project, I am able to make everything at home and on cars.
Then yes I am waiting Yildiz kit, and I will bye it, and it is not a present from Yildiz team. I will not bye it if I succeed with my projects before (magnetic engine, or Schauberger hydro generator (this 5000 years old principle)).
Here we can clearly see that he would buy Yildiz's plans as soon as it was possible, yet he refuses to do it now that he has the opportunity. He even says that he can make everything at home and on his cars but he now uses the excuse that "Yildiz's motor is not simple to make, needs to be industrial".
Let's continue.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 06:08:43 AM
In your last posts I saw no proof, and you not have seen the Yildiz motor in Geneva like me.
Here domichi asks evidence for a witness testimony given in this forum yet Domichi blindly believes in Duarte when he said that there are no batteries inside the motor, so Domichi is ok with one person testimony without proof but is not ok with another?
Let's continue with this retarded charade.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 17, 2013, 07:29:39 AM
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
Dear Dominique,
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Kling from TU Eindhoven I know personally, and he will never say it is a scam before talking to me.
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Regards,
-jorge
In this comment you can see DomiChi clearly faking a email reponse from Duarte, all Domichi's lack of proper english can be seen in the faked email and more than that the end signature of duarte's "-jorge" which the original person never did in any of his emails.
Let's continue.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 18, 2013, 02:58:07 AM
It is just that your arguments? Without any, attacked person and spray lie.
Like with your imaginary information with Nederland University.
I think investors are cleverer than you, and will easily make difference between what I already said and your calumnies about the leek of Nederland University. But investor have certainly better information sources that this poor thread. And with what I read from you and from Allan, Allan is a lot more credible than you. But it may be just the thing that does not satisfy your ego.
Even if I am a shill, but I am not, I am a future buyer, I did a good job to have so poor arguments against mine.
@CazadorDeTruchos: Have you other Internet adress where we can read things that you produce? That, to change my opinion of you.
Until now I did not even take you as a trainee. I do not even feel in you a contructive passion. I hope for your reader that you have a better answer than your last post.
Again Domichi says that he is a buyer but so far he refuses to buy it.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 19, 2013, 01:52:39 AM
cosmologic singularity
You level stay the same as CazadorDeTruchos: Under Nothing (Even Zero point energy is not there, cosmologic singularity?). Just defamation.
I prefer a free autographed picture of Yilditz than some Euros from you. It will be for me a big honor from people trying to do something for future during 30 years of his live.
If you so well know Yildiz project, can you say what Yildiz is asking from investor?
I know, and I can say it is almost nothing for a big multinational industrie. And I speak absolute and not speak about potential profit.
Thanks to slanderers worthless as you, nobody can stand. You are a drag on society. If M.Yildiz project was a scam, long ago he could get money by making as Johnson or selling kits. If selling kits I have already bought him one in Geneva to help him to improve, but in addition he wants to give us the security provided by a manufacturer.
Do you know what industries spend as sponsoring? Of course not because nobody wants you in industry. In industriy we build.
Yes, as a dream, I prefer Yildiz project than a sailboat in a race.
As human I am ready to spend time and money on this kind of project. I am already doing, by trying to do my prototype, and Yildiz model will be a better start (I take time to have a close look at existing patents and picture made at Delt on open motor).
Look at you as observator, and asks yourself what you are doing for society and futur.
On another forum there is a members which say me, let OverUnity collect this kind of close mind guys. I think I will do.
On this other forum, like Allan Blog, we prefer that close mind people have also close mouth.
It was funny to let see the level of knowledge on this thread. Markdansie and CazadorDeTruchos; do you ever know what is a magnet (not just as a child), the magnet flow properties and the main problem when building pure magnet motor?
The answer is not just Yes we know or a link to Wiki, but to share your understanding about these points (just to increase the level of your posts).
Here you can see domichi trying to sound like he knows about yildiz's investment plans but as it has been proven by now he had no idea that Yildiz wanted millions from his investors.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 19, 2013, 09:23:59 AM
Poor man, your level is under my dog mind. But you are just a pug.
From your answer I see that you do not know anything about magnet. And that you don't read the thread where you post on, because I give some way on Yildiz engine is working.
And when you say that Yildiz asks for million. You had to go to Geneva.
His actual problem is to find fund to pay expense for patent and lawyer to prepare these patent. It is not millions.
As I said before, he had no idea of what he was talking about.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 20, 2013, 02:06:37 AM
I will do, but just to let dust here on this thread. It must be somewhere to waste if we do not want it to scatter. Even if a shadow has no consistency. And we do not need your dejection on other positive forums.
I also have not any time to continue to play with you, a pug behind a grid.
The French ignorant has worked on his own magnet prototype, not like you which is not able to say any thing about magnet. Have you already heard about magnetic fludity, magnetic potential wells and stick point. On you posts I saw nothing because it is just calomny wind.
And the difference with you, I speak about what I heard at Geneva and not an old Allan paper. What you quote from this old link, is not what I heard in Geneva. Wake up, renew your poor thinking, the earth is turning and other people than you are moving.
But you will never have, as you are. Then you take no risk to say that.
Me, if I succeed with my prototypes, i will no share with guys like you. Because it will be scam, even if i do not need money and problems which come with. That is your added value (keep hidden) and not petroleum company fault.
Do not be affraied my other co-forumers on French forum, I will share with you by MP, my son is OK, as you (friends with me in Geneva) can heard from him. I am very glad to not have a son not like these guys here (it is not more close mind, it is no mind, but it is normal for a shadow). Do you know how to remove your shadow? Stay with no light arround you ;-)
In here we can see that domichi is working on his own magnet motor that has already been proven to not work at all, he goes along the lines of "magnetic vortex" which is a bunch of magnets arranged in a circle that produce nothing at all, people already told him that yet he keeps ignoring the truth and using it to sound smart again.
We can also see that he refuses to give importance to the reports/works that Allan did on the Yildiz motor and prefers to make reality of what he "heard" in Geneva (because we all know that if a person says something its because it is true, can never be a lie).
And to top it all up he edits the comment and includes that last line which was clearly made by a childish creature.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 20, 2013, 02:53:02 PM
GO IN YOUR BOX SHADOW PUG, I have not time to loose with you. Even to play with PUG. I like dogs, but not pugs.
SHADOWPT is PT for point? Shadow has already no volume, PT is almost redondante it just add no surface. But even so PUG is noisy.
Another very intelligent comment provided to you by DomiChi.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 20, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
@CazadorDeTruchos:The pack pugs enlarged. Except now there is the dumbest. Not even realize that his calumnies could cost their place to Dutch people.
You do not even answer to my question about your knowledge, and about you. Have you ever done something positive on the net that can let me think that you are not as stupide as you look on this thread.
And also so stupid to see that I play with pugs on this thred. Sorry I have no bone to throw.
I have proof that even with fact scientists do not always beleive it. I have proof.
I have no time to loose to read you calomnies.
Yet we never saw the proof of someone that does not believe in facts.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 21, 2013, 05:33:56 AM
@profitis: This morning Just send this message to a professor:I will see if scientists are ready to progress, but it is also a maner to push me to move forward with hard. Because I spend to much time on PC.
I believe to vital energy, I experiment it every day. I do not want that magnet engine polute this energy, and do not want any polution at all from this engine, then I like to know where the energy comes from.
I am not sure that industrial has this kind of worry.
If I succeed I will try to make it as anybody can make it at home. For now it is the case, it just costs me the magnet (half of usual, as rotor is pure iron on plastic). Then low cost, and less than one month electricity consumption. But I will know real power only when it will turn as there is no theory about it.
Yes, DomiChi, your motor will run on vital energy and rainbows too.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 21, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
Can we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.
I already have seen these 2 in geneva, it is not information.
So far you keep saying about that you went to Geneva but I find it hard to believe that a child like you went from France to Switzerland, do you even have proof that you went there? I really doubt that you did, I think that you keep lying about this to sound like you know what you are talking about but in fact you never went there.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 22, 2013, 02:51:00 AM
@Profitis, we lose our time here. In France we say: "you cannot make drink a donkey who is not thirsty". But there is worse, it is the people of bad faith. Worse than stone, with stones you can work with crystal for your health.
I opted to leave this thread to those people. Like this they have a place to put their dejections. I would not take the time to respond to their provocations. They do not answer our questions, they send another provocation. This gamme is not fun anymore.
Investors are smarter than that; they are able to see the information quality of these slanderers. But investors will not come here to have information. When I contact with Nederland University they know deTrucos slander, but they ignore it as what he is. Dutch are very tolerant. I think that was the worse on this thread, let think on bad scientist integrity. But as this is a good forum there is no moderator. Then all shit can be put here. The German web master (it is a German server) take a risk for himself money doing that. In Europe we have laws which not allowed public defamation.
From dutch, who let slanders for what they are:
Just a small part for example. Because I do not want, like other guys on this forum, give false information. but this one is easy to check as it is a fact. . Do Not Disturb!!!) yes, otherwise you can know that CazadorDeTruchos is a liar. No luck, my wife is Dutch, and my brother il law had high diplomas in Delft. I cannot let slanders saying everything.
I take a picture of this post, because there is no moderator for shit, but perhaps for himself. If this post disappears from here, I could post on another forum. Readers have right to know.
Again you use a lie that you made to accuse another person of calumny.
Not only that but now he says that he has a Dutch wife... But then why did he need to translate the previously spoken dutch documents? And he has a brother with diplomas? What the hell that has anything to do with this thread?
Again lying and faking about him and his life to sound smart and adult.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 22, 2013, 03:24:05 PM
@shadowpt. Yes you have to pray, but pray God for being less stupid. And to learn to read. I didn't say that I will give money to Yildiz but to a multi-national which is good placement with or without Yildiz, a multinational open for a better futur, which invest for future.
Philips is a great medecin machine maker, perhaps we can use one to remove the spider with legs in water in your brain (yes in water because it already removes a big part). Have you headaches or seizuresead?
Is it you behind the moon? I can see your shadow big donkey ears.
Now he doesn't even remember what he said before about buying Yildiz's motor.
And he contributes with a very intelligent comment after.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 23, 2013, 01:33:39 AM
always more difficult to start than let it turn, I spoke in general.
In Geneva he didn't use his electrical internal laucher. Some scam hunter said that it is that small launch battery which powered all the time the motor.
It was jut lanch by hand after releasing the brake if it didn't start alone.
What is this about electric internal launcher? It has never been spoken of before, how come do you know so much and no one knows about this? Are you perhaps making up lies again to sound smart? I guess that's the result of a person that lies about going to Geneva, he fakes all the rest.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 25, 2013, 01:29:39 AM
Yes, If he has time, he will not let you say anything. Prefer a shadow point witout nationality if you have time to waste, and it is itself self perpetual renew, no answer coherent with previous post.
And when I write"not let you say anything", it is a limited translation in this context of "n'importe quoi" in French, but I do not know the correct translation. "N"importe quoi" in French in this context says also: out of subject, wrong, stupide, no interest.
"Prefer a shadow point without nationality"... What the hell are you smoking, domichi?
But I guess this is enough of documentation about the person that DomiChi is:
- A child
- Has no idea what he is talking about
- Lives in his own imaginary world
- A liar
- Doesn't do what he set himself to do in the first place
This world... it really has people that are very, VERY special, mentally special. Didn't know the nut house had internet though, that is something new for me.
You should have left when you had the chance, DomiChi, but you decided to stay and make yourself look like a complete ignorant retard.
@shadow,you are an expert on ignorant retards? Is this why you spam the thread with useless information?
Quote from: shadowpt on April 28, 2013, 03:49:31 PM
Who are you to keep lying, especially about my age?
Remember:
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
...
I am an expert with less than 20 years old
...
If youdo not remember what you say ...
@shadowpt: I lost enough time with a 5 years old child of bad faith. Then I don't even read the rest of your post
I read in http://pesn.com/2013/04/25/9602302_Yild ... ees---BUT/ comments:
"Or that we call the Deutsch Germans, or the Nederlanders Dutch, or the Français French, etc. and all vice-versa with different variations of course."
I Europe we are able to know the difference between Brazil and US and Canada.
Then a small course for US people:
People living in Nederland are Dutch and they speak Dutch and not German.
People living in France are French and they speak French, not Dutch and not German.
These countries are in Europe. Other side of Atlantic from you. But look on a map because there is also Africa in other side of atlantic from you.
In Europe it is known that Americans are self-centered enough not to learn geography. Then I will also say that Turkey (Yildiz's country) wants to join EU.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 28, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
Remember:If youdo not remember what you say ...
Holy shit, you really are a retard! And you literally don't know what you are reading, let's put that in context, shall we?
Quote from: shadowpt on April 27, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
So you choose the weaker way, its fair. After all your big talk and "I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old" you finally show that not even you will give money to Yildiz.
(...)
LOL profitis you asked if I was an expert on ignorant retards, I guess I actually am and I didn't even knew it! And the person that filled this thread with useless information was not me, as I posted in my last comment clearly the one person that has been doing that is DomiChi.
Oh man, you guys come in pairs. Have any of you bought Yildiz's plans yet to prove that we are wrong or you will keep talking about nonsense again?
You talk and you defend and we all agreed that you were the only 2 that didn't contribute for anything so how about getting on with the plans and actually prove all of us that we are wrong?
Quote from: DomiChi on April 28, 2013, 04:53:47 PM
@shadowpt: I lost enough time with a 5 years old child of bad faith. Then I don't even read the rest of your post
I am sure you don't because the post is all about what you have been saying in this thread, I would not be surprised if even you wouldn't want to read your own words. It must be already very sad to come up with a ton of ignorant conversations but having to read them again and feel the shame to have written them yourself must be really hard.
And stop trying to change the subject, this is a thread about Yildiz's Magnet Motor, if you want to talk about DomiChi's vital energy motor then do it in his thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-B4hZRG6E
lol even cartman can scam people better, but he fails miserably in the end lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyRHAvfA6Eg
Quote from: shadowpt on April 28, 2013, 07:01:04 PM
Holy shit, you really are a retard! And you literally don't know what you are reading, let's put that in context, shall we?
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 27, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
So you choose the weaker way, its fair. After all your big talk and "I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old" you finally show that not even you will give money to Yildiz.
(...)
Then explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
NO? Then what do you mean?
From your post quality I cannot understand that you have about 20 years of experience, then, a man of 45 or so.
You have to know that this forum is in Germany, then not with only people with English as mother language. If it is a problem for you to share only your language, you can chose a American forum.
Quote from: Ghost on April 28, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
lol even cartman can scam people better, but he fails miserably in the end lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyRHAvfA6Eg
Well, cartman is your reference.
I prefer Brian Greene. Evidently, we do not have the same values.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 29, 2013, 01:42:26 AM
Then explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
NO? Then what do you mean?
From your post quality I cannot understand that you have about 20 years of experience, then, a man of 45 or so.
This, right here, this shows that you have no place to talk about magnetism and how other people are wrong about what they say.
You have no right to tell other people what they know or what don't know, if they are wrong or even telling them to believe.
You don't have any idea of what you are talking about because you literally cannot understand what you read.
It's over, don't try anymore, it will be useless and will only make you look even worse.
Quote from: shadowpt on April 29, 2013, 01:57:17 AM
This, right here, this shows that you have no place to talk about magnetism and how other people are wrong about what they say.
You have no right to tell other people what they know or what don't know, if they are wrong or even telling them to believe.
You don't have any idea of what you are talking about because you literally cannot understand what you read.
It's over, don't try anymore, it will be useless and will only make you look even worse.
It is not an answer to my question. can you read?
QuoteThen explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
NO? Then what do you mean?
ShadowPt cannot answer, Please other people having English mother language can you say me if I missUnderstand his sentence? QuoteI know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old
I understand that he is a "less than 20 years
old"
people and
not a "less than 20 years"
specialist. as there is the "with" word before, and it is not "with less than 20 years
experience"
@shadow,yes, even a englishman wil b highly confused with your line about age.domichi is right.
Thank you Profitis to answer me.
I make the effort to come to the English language forum part, while another part remains in their French or German part.
For that I am just waiting kind answer (like you do) on my English errors.
Then ShadowPT explain your self on what you wanted to say?
Until, I stay on:
Quote from: DomiChi on April 28, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 28, 2013, 09:49:31 pm
Who are you to keep lying, especially about my age?
Remember:
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 27, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
...
I am an expert with less than 20 years old
...
If you do not remember what you say ...
Which means that I am not lying on your age as you say.
But we even know that it is not a lie but a bad sentence from you.
So the rest of your post tainted. I'm glad I did not waste my time reading.
This thread is about to move back to the shadows along with Yilditz. He got his ten minutes of fame (well in a couple of forums and Free Energy News). He will re -appear with promises of other demonstrations which will fall well short of any verification, or useful data.
Show is over, time to put the sets away and close the doors till next time.
Kind Regards
Quote from: markdansie on April 29, 2013, 09:49:12 AM
This thread is about to move back to the shadows along with Yilditz. He got his ten minutes of fame (well in a couple of forums and Free Energy News). He will re -appear with promises of other demonstrations which will fall well short of any verification, or useful data.
Show is over, time to put the sets away and close the doors till next time.
Kind Regards
Best regards MarkDansie.
But I will stay to say to Profitis how we continue on French forum. Yildiz or not Yildiz ?
As I defended the Yildiz principle, I will be not so persevering on Yildiz commercial way.
I wrote in French forum:
Quote3 modèles sur papier: Brevet, plans "open source", plans industriels
Au moins 2 modèles présentés: Celui de Delft et celui de Genève.
Il va nous falloir une table de correspondance, en espérant que les modèles présentés soient dans les modèles papier. Sinon on aura jamais vu ce qu'il nous vend.
Je ne doute pas qu'il ait quelque chose, mais il fait tout pour qu'on ne le croit pas.
Translated:
Quote3 models on paper: Patent, plans "open source", industrial designs
At least two models presented: The Delft and Geneva.
We will need a lookup table, hoping that the presented models are in the paper models. Otherwise we will have never see what he sells us.
I have no doubt he has something, but he does everything so we do not believe it.
I already write to Halli with his form to have better information than on PESWiki, on what is the "open source' plans, I am waiting for answer. If I receive usefull information, I will put it here.
yes@markdansie.this chapter is closed.come to south africa and chek the next hot thing out sir.you wont be disapointed.
hey@domichi. Its a honour my friend (-:).i never underestimate the french peoples,so many geniuses have contributed to science from your homeland,coulomb,curie,le chatelier..the list goes on.the french are thinkers.i love naudin.he would leap onto a replication of my own gadget when word gets out,i can just picture it.
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
hey@domichi. Its a honour my friend (-:).i never underestimate the french peoples,so many geniuses have contributed to science from your homeland,coulomb,curie,le chatelier..the list goes on.the french are thinkers.i love naudin.he would leap onto a replication of my own gadget when word gets out,i can just picture it.
Have you done some blog or youtube of your own gadget?
@domichi.not yet.it is not patented yet but i did post a vid of it on this forum.i need to get into american or european corporate labs to take it to its limit of power,and direct the researchers there.the amazing thing about it is that although its a clear 2nd law violation i dont need to even mention that its a 2nd law violation,its based on a well established principal that is well accepted by scientific community.do you have any patents?
Quote from: DomiChi on April 29, 2013, 07:38:53 AM
Then ShadowPT explain your self on what you wanted to say?
Until, I stay on:
Which means that I am not lying on your age as you say.
But we even know that it is not a lie but a bad sentence from you.
So the rest of your post tainted. I'm glad I did not waste my time reading.
Please just stop DomiChi, you are just embarassing yourself.
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 07:24:16 AM
@shadow,yes, even a englishman wil b highly confused with your line about age.domichi is right.
I am sure that a english man understands pretty well what I said between quotes, you and DomiChi on the other hand clearly lack the knowledge to continue speaking as if you know what you talk about.
This thread is over.
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
@domichi.not yet.it is not patented yet but i did post a vid of it on this forum.i need to get into american or european corporate labs to take it to its limit of power,and direct the researchers there.the amazing thing about it is that although its a clear 2nd law violation i dont need to even mention that its a 2nd law violation,its based on a well established principal that is well accepted by scientific community.do you have any patents?
In begin off yeras 80th I make my own computer (before Apple) and a robot associate but I shared every thing in real time (not on Internet which didn't exists yet) and I let it to my company (I perfered good job than pattent which after 8 years is public). And normally I was not allowed to do them as my contract said that I had to work only for this company. But no regrets, I had a good career which allow me to travel all over the word and make different business inside the same big multinational. And now I am in long disease, and they continue to give me my full salary. My experience with patent is that it does not protect you investment for a long time in every country. The best protection is secret if your product cannot be analyse after sell. It is often case for chimical compound, that also need a good procedure to obtain the result. For my company it was a problem in China to build factories. Because factories need these procedures.
Now I well hope to succeed in OU system, if not with magnet, I will go back where I come in OU, the Schauberger hydro turbine. I already ask to my son. What do I do, patent or continue to share. The answer was: share it, I do not need that to have a good live. We were with a friend from the French forum and him in Geneva, and we saw a man Yildiz worried about his family and his health.
My son already does not use the full potential of his diplomas to have a better live. You have to think to that before pattent. That will change your life (thank you Shadow, you see I put life and not live). It is easy to me to say that as my income are enough, and I have not to work anymore, it is for that that I asked my son, how begins his adult live. I can say I am glad of his answer, quality of live before money and before career (not like my generation).
Quote from: shadowpt on April 29, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
I am sure that a english man understands pretty well what I said between quotes, you and DomiChi on the other hand clearly lack the knowledge to continue speaking as if you know what you talk about.
This thread is over.
Good luck in your live.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 29, 2013, 03:06:06 PM
Good luck in your live.
Make a separate thread to discuss your conversations with profitis, you will both get much better input from people that are interested than in here. Currently you are both off topic in this thread and you should cease it here.
And it's "Good luck in your
life" not "live".
Quote from: shadowpt on April 29, 2013, 03:33:23 PM
Make a separate thread to discuss your conversations with profitis, you will both get much better input from people that are interested than in here. Currently you are both off topic in this thread and you should cease it here.
And it's "Good luck in your life" not "live".
Thank you Shadowpt, then you read what I wright. Also when I said that I like to have English rectification .
An advice for your life from an old man, take time to search for the
5 Don Miguel Ruiz's Toltec agreements . Not easy to apply, but that make the life more confortable.
@shadow,errr,look around man,the yildiz discussion ended long ago so we are free to discuss pink elephants or anything if we choose.im amazed you are still here,alone,your comrades have all disapeared and left you standing.
@domichi,wow,with all your experiences you have probably collect a wide base of knowledge,especialy buisness.you are right about patents,thats why i rather take to a corporation and let them file,its waste of time and money to do that myself.i only want small slice of pie because then corporate will be my friend instead of cut my throat and things run much smoother that way.corporations like philips can file a patent and get it accepted much much quicker than any individual can.
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 05:15:53 PM
@shadow,errr,look around man,the yildiz discussion ended long ago so we are free to discuss pink elephants or anything if we choose.im amazed you are still here,alone,your comrades have all disapeared and left you standing.
Not in a thread that is specifically about one thing. Make a new thread and more people will join in your discussion and maybe even give good insights.
@shadow,no.if other humans want to come here and discuss yildiz i wont interfere,i promise,let them come.
@domichi..OU discrepencies is definitely real my friend.there are so many elite physicists who are now beginning to step out and speak against the river,with hard evidence to back them up.even elite published journals are beginning to poke into 'unacceptable' territory slowly but surely.thanks to the internet and websites like this one the growth of shared knowledge is exponential.as i said before the elite circles had long ago known about cerain discrepencies but now with internet those discrepencies are available for any1 to discuss.
Yes, there are more and more of top notch scientists who speak up against the COE doctrine. But not only scientists, engineers and some big corporations are also turning their backs on the establishment. I know of at least two big datacentres of multinational IT companies that's almost entirely powered by perpetual motion magnet generators. They still have to set up fake solar panels and wind generators to fool the authorities, but the employees who operate the plants know what's going on. And sometimes they talk.
@orbut3000,yes i know those 2 companies,unfortunately the feds busted them for outstanding grid bills from before they went 'magnetic'.do i have to conk you on the head evrytime to remind you?
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 07:44:40 PM
@orbut3000,yes i know those 2 companies,unfortunately the feds busted them for outstanding grid bills from before they went 'magnetic'.do i have to conk you on the head evrytime to remind you?
Not the ones I know of, they are still in business. But it doesn't surprise me that there were others who might not have been that lucky. Also why do you think they could have had outstanding grid bills? They are feeding excess energy into the grid when possible. (When the sun shines and it's windy so their fake wind gen spins).
Their late CEO, btw, who was a very open minded person who successfully defeated cancer with alternative medicines, devised a terawatt plant based on the Searl generator. It's still possible that this plant will actually be built, despite the fact that the CIA killed him by poisoning his homeopathic medicines.
Hi Profits
"yes@markdansie.this chapter is closed.come to south Africa and check the next hot thing out sir.you [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]wont[/color] be disappointed"
The last two times I was.
The first time was several years ago testing a magnetic motor. It had passed the TUV testing, the company and investors were good honest people. We found (I had test engineers with me) it to be fake and the inventor confessed and showed everyone how he faked it. he then disappeared with his new car and $300,000 USD.
The second was last year testing the Motor generator claimed to work by Sterling. We were not allowed to test it after flying there, although it was agreed before we left. The inventor saw the equipment and realized we would catch him cheating. What we did see we had seen before and was a copy of another SA inventor. We predicted the results and how it was a battery effect. One month latter they confirmed our predictions had come true. The company involved was very honest the Inventor was the con man.
These are just two of dozens of stories i could tell you, and many others have been doing what we have for many years. That why we are hard on Yilditz, is is so fake and misleading. Go read the posts back in Jan where I and many others predicted he would find excuses about the university tests and also only run a short time in Geneva.
Hope this is of some help profits
Orbut 3000:
QuoteYes, there are more and more of top notch scientists who speak up against the COE doctrine. But not only scientists, engineers and some big corporations are also turning their backs on the establishment. I know of at least two big datacentres of multinational IT companies that's almost entirely powered by perpetual motion magnet generators. They still have to set up fake solar panels and wind generators to fool the authorities, but the employees who operate the plants know what's going on. And sometimes they talk.
That kind of talk is just so far out it's like it's right out of a 1960s science fiction B-movie. It's one thing for experimenters around here to experiment and learn as they go along and perhaps get a bit over excited, but it's another thing to read these unsubstantiated fantastical claims from people like you.
The energy consumption of data centers is a serious issue and they rate processors by how many MIPS you can get out of them per watt because of that. I have read many articles about how to deal with the massive energy consumption of large data centers and the associated massive amounts of heat they create.
Based on my 30 years of experience in engineering in one form or another, the quote above of yours stating that scientists are speaking out against the "COE doctrine" and that IT data centers are powered by "perpetual motion magnet generators" is absolute and utter rubbish.
Anything you post from this point on will be highly suspect because now everything about you is highly questionable. I have no interest in following your other posts and challenging you. You made one good doozie of a nonsensical posting and in my book that says it all.
MileHigh
MH.... I think Orbut has the "sarcasm" button selected. Hard to see sometimes over the net. See his next post.
Ahem..... I suppose you could be right...... omg
April Fish on the other end of the month? lol
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on April 30, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
As you apparently testing different systems, Have you had the opportunity to test hydro turbines Schauberger, or do you know if it has been done since Schauberger himself? We can easily find air turbines Schauberger which are being replicated, but I can not find anything on the hydrolic turbine.
@markdansie,im quite amazed that sterling came to s.a. to see yet another motor with a battery attatched in the first place,i gues it was for added sensation to his website,although looped motors are becoming so blase,especialy the giant ones.people often forget that a evryday chemical battery is maximum 80% efficient and there are losses of energy that have to be acounted for in the battery itself.i dont rule out the possibility of electromagnetic overunity but inventors of these self-looped motors might aswell build a solid state circuit system based on same induction principal and prove it from there but even a induction circuit is going to be a toughy to prove with all the frictional losses.
Quote from: profitis on April 29, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
i did post a vid of it on this forum
Can you give me the direct link, I cannot find it.
Thanks
Quote from: profitis on April 30, 2013, 07:00:41 AM
people often forget that a evryday chemical battery is maximum 80% efficient
And nano tude capacitors are long to come to replace them (since 4 or 5 years now, and it is not out of scientists sphere).
@domichi,cant post links but if you search downloads for title'self-charging cap'you will see it.the power you see in the vid is coming from a few square milimeters of active electrode area in contact with electrolyte,nowhere near its power limit.its a single cell unit,(2electrodes not a pile) in that vid.vasilescu karpen(romanian) has built a similar cell but mine has hundred-fold more power.
Mark Dansie,
Please identify which buoyancy device you refer to.
Thank you for your humility,
Cisco
Quote from: markdansie on April 30, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
I believe Mark is referring to Wayne Travis and the ZED.
http://mrwaynesbrain.com/ (http://mrwaynesbrain.com/)
Travis posts a "progress report" approximately weekly in the "Current Objectives" tab. Going back some months and then reading forwards will give you a pretty good feel for what's going on. There was a long thread here on this forum concerning Travis and his claims, which he finally asked to be closed because of the pressure from skeptical onlookers who wanted him to provide actual evidence for his claims, rather than a bunch of gobbledegook. It's my opinion at this point that there is a cult operating in Chickasha Oklahoma, and Travis is its guru.
As you read, be aware that Travis claimed, fully a year or more ago, to have a working, self-running system producing excess energy that would run itself with no input, no exhaust, providing useful output work. But as anyone can tell from reading the past few progress reports, there is no self-running model now, and there wasn't then, and there never has been.
Mark:
Thanks for your comments. When I first read Wayne's postings his technical language was simply silly and made no sense. I asked him how he measured his output power and refused to acknowledge the question at first. He eventually begrudgingly acknowledged the question but never answered it. Many months later and all that you get from him are pseudoscience "sermons" about his bliss on his website.
So Wayne fits into that mould that we are all too familiar with.
MileHigh
@markdansie.see if you can find a flaw in the karpen cell.its been powering a motor the last 50years non-stop.
Mark .. I was unaware you had been banned from Sterling's site & presumably have fallen out of favour.
Quote from: profitis on April 30, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
@markdansie.see if you can find a flaw in the karpen cell.its been powering a motor the last 50years non-stop.
Big deal. A pair of Zamboni dry piles has been running a little electrostatic motor since 1840. See "Oxford Electric Bell."
Quote from: MileHigh on April 30, 2013, 05:29:07 PM
Mark:
Thanks for your comments. When I first read Wayne's postings his technical language was simply silly and made no sense. I asked him how he measured his output power and refused to acknowledge the question at first. He eventually begrudgingly acknowledged the question but never answered it. Many months later and all that you get from him are pseudoscience "sermons" about his bliss on his website.
So Wayne fits into that mould that we are all too familiar with.
MileHigh
There are some unique features of the Wayne Travis / HydroEnergyRevolution story. The one that stands out the most in my mind is that Travis has actually +paid money out+ to people who have made little models of nested tubes.... one builder received a substantial amount of money for his build which was made from tennis ball packaging tubes cut to shape and glued and taped together.... and others have also gotten payments of money from Travis. These people of course are now sycophants of Travis, even though their constructions produce no unusual behaviour. Two thousand dollars buys a lot of loyalty, evidently.
The "cult" aspect is also clear from the history. Travis has invited many people to see and hear his demonstrations. Most of them probably understand perfectly what is going on and flee with their wallets and checkbooks intact. But he has been able to convince some few "faithful", even apparently including some trained engineers, that his fantasy is worth pursuing. These become defacto members of the ZED cult, and are supported financially and socially within the cult. This selection process is identical to that used by religious and UFO cults, which as we all know, wind up including some people who should really know better.
@tk.yes it becomes a big deal when the power density of a similar type of cell goes up a hundred-fold,incentive for the markdansies of the world to come over to my lab.
Quote from: webby1 on May 01, 2013, 08:24:51 AM
TK,
REALLY???
You are still carrying on about all that,, let me see,, I built a testbed for a method to build, then tested the testbed and things looked great,, then I reported to everyone what I was finding, to the best of my abilities, and just because you can not do the same???
Small note on this, TK could never find any residual pressure after the lift, or any use for it,, or what ever he kept carrying on about,,
And now you have blown it all up into a Cult,, next you are going to make out that Wayne is some kind ,, why give you more fodder.
Really.
Tell me, Webby. Does Mister Wayne now have a self-running device that operates without input or exhaust and produces useful excess energy? Did he ever?
Small note on this: Get your facts straight. I actually DID build a "self-powered water pump" incorporating a WORKING single - layer ZED nested riser-ringwall assembly and showed that it DID INDEED increase pressure and flow rate, at the expense of flow duration. My work on the Travis/Zed issue is available for anyone to see in my YouTube videos. There has never been any question about the _leverage_ that is afforded by the nested hydraulic cylinder arrangement. But that's not the issue, the issue is and always has been Travis's claim to have a self running machine, and things like his promise to build a 50 kW unit in the churchyard, when, three years ago now wasn't it?
You, Webby, were bought and paid for by Wayne Travis and you don't even realize it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU
@tk.they say the gamboni pile gives nanoamperes to the oxford motor and is a ordinary zinc-carbon system with solid electrolyte whilst the karpen pile gives milliamperes to its motor and is by no means a ordinary galvanic system.they measured its voltage about 3 yrs ago and its precisely the same as it was in 1953
Quote from: profitis on May 01, 2013, 03:29:03 AM
@tk.yes it becomes a big deal when the power density of a similar type of cell goes up a hundred-fold,incentive for the markdansies of the world to come over to my lab.
Dear profits, I would be delighted, most of all I would be delighted to see your data and measurement methodologies. The measurements are where most people go wrong as Tk is far more qualified than I to point out, especially with pulsed dc and ac.
I am not sure of what your technology is so it would be wrong of me to speculate in anyway. i have an open mind, but in reality its been 100% bust in the past. However I will say there are some great new applications of old technology that can and will have a big influence on people.
Kind Regards
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2013, 02:37:56 AM
Big deal. A pair of Zamboni dry piles has been running a little electrostatic motor since 1840. See "Oxford Electric Bell."
Yes indeed they are curiosities and we have in the past replicated them to some degree. However the amount of power available vs the capital cost makes it far from viable. in the magnitudes of hundreds of times. They are worthwhile researching further to learn from, and are interesting, but of little value i solving a mass energy crisis.
Kind Regards
Quote from: webby1 on May 01, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
Sure thing TK,, like you are not bought and paid for yourself WHEN you get a gig,,
Once again, you really should get your facts straight.
EVERY SINGLE THING, with one exception, that I have EVER posted about in this forum has been completely and totally funded out of my own pocket. I have never received a SINGLE RED CENT in compensation or help and my over four hundred YouTube videos are still completely advertisement-free.
The exception is Orbette 2.0, which I was allowed to work on during working hours at my paid job. However, I paid for all components of that system out of my own pocket, again.
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This is not the thread for this conversation,, There are enough interesting things going on here as it is.
That depends on your viewpoint, doesn't it. Yet another discussion about yet another hyped-up set of claims that can't be supported with evidence, and solid evidence of money being tossed down the drain in furtherance of garnering investment ..... I find that interesting indeed.
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AND,, my espresso is better than your instant,, so there, take that :)
I'm sure it is.
But I'm also sure you didn't answer my question: Does Wayne Travis now have, or has he ever had, a device that runs itself with no input, no exhaust, no internal pre-supplied source of energy, is "clearly overunity by itself" (direct quote from Travis), and produces useful output energy over and above what it takes to run it?
You are a member of the secret forum, I think, so you ought to know. Or does your NDA prevent you from talking about it?
ETA: I have received a few components from friends, the most recent being the glass sphere (a bathysphere) that I am using for a vacuum chamber.
Quote from: fletcher on April 30, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
Mark .. I was unaware you had been banned from Sterling's site & presumably have fallen out of favour.
Sadly I and many other great commentators have been banned. Also only a small percentage of posts get through as 95% of them do not agree with him. He does allow some through in order to promote balance. After his Yilditz fiasco his latest crowd fund raiser has not had a single donation. I admire his efforts to find stories but he has cried wolf over 100 times and finally people are waking up to him.
he was running around at a conference we both attended telling people off who had been seen speaking to me, that got a few laughs as he lectured all these people on who they should or should not speak with. I guess that gives you a hint to his real motives. Go read his scripture ramblings on how he should have been preside[size=78%]nt in 2004.[/size]
I am far from perfect and get it wrong sometimes, I cheer the people like tK and many others pushing the envelope of knowledge why also being grounded as much as possible.
Kind regards
Profitus
I am not sure your intent here ,however as far as fellows you should "trust"to test your device.
And not sneak little bits and pieces off for some other "application"...
There is only one fellow here that can be trusted...
TinselKoala
Others have some odd things attached to their "benevolence"...
thx
Chet
Thanks, Chet... but it all depends on what you mean by "Trusted" doesn't it.
I won't sign an NDA, for example, unless I am actually being hired, for money, as a consultant. Any work that I do on stuff that I read about or volunteer for, I must be allowed to share completely in public, for example on this forum.
Also, I'm as error-prone as .... well, I almost said "anybody" but let's just say... as most people. That is why I encourage anyone with the ability and the tools to repeat whatever work I do that leads to a conclusion, and confirm or refute my results and conclusions for themselves. Especially check my math, as decimal points seem to swim around sometimes in my vision.
@markdansie..im glad to hear you still have an open mind after so many disapointments and will gladly present data after further research.perhaps you have personaly had 100 bust of claims in the past but i just want to say that the 70year old karpen claim(a relative of my claim) stands out as a complete 100% non-bust,and is a yardstick for you to compare my technology with.
Mark Dansie,
Please confirm whether the buoyancy device you referred to is indeed the one promoted by Wayne Travis, as suggested by TK.
Thank you,
Cisco
Quote from: markdansie on April 30, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
@ramset,my intent here is to tickle tk, or any other alleged boffin here, into an electrochemical arguement on the validity of steady-state-non-equilibrium systems as a permanent voltage/current source,ie.like the experiment i threw at the poster called de truchos earlier in the thread.i want to dance with somebody ontop of the 2nd law thermo lol.i doubt any1 has electrochem knowledge here tho.
@profitis: can you power that http://youtu.be/Q4Qo68HvxoE with you eternal battery?
If Yes we have to change paradigm. No more centralize power supply necessay. We just need a distant switch, but as we have RFID in shop ticket, it must be easy. It is a market for your eternal battery. I you make some, even without distant switch, I buy from you, for my bungalow in the wood out off grid.
yes@domichi,my cell is able to do anything a normal cell can do,except my cell will be quite a few times larger to do same work as a AA or AAA and it will best be suited for low current purposes.exellent for a permanent l.e.d.home lighting system,or an ipod,radio,gps tracking device.the watches,clocks of the future will not require batteries.its a karpen pile on steroids.
@profitis: "Neon" light produce more lumen than led for a same consumption.
Have you a simple drawing of your battery. By MP if you prefer. Now I have no time, otherwise I'd well try this self powered Neon lamp for my bungalow. But I will have time after my magnet motor (it progresses, I succeed in broking stick point without energy consumption), but my generator will be more for the 220V refrigerator.
Quote from: Cisco on May 02, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
Mark Dansie,
Please confirm whether the buoyancy device you referred to is indeed the one promoted by Wayne Travis, as suggested by TK.
Thank you,
Cisco
Yes it is. However there are some good people and qualified engineers working on this with Wayne so I do not want to discredit them. They still intent to build a proof of concept device (self running I hope) to pass the test i set for them some two years ago. Also another engineer friend of mine and some of his buddies are yet to be convinced. Time will tell, but two year on it becomes more doubtful.
I will say i did see back two years ago a demonstration where pressures did hold after running for a short time. That influenced my decision to be open ended with it. However since then no data other than speculative has been produced.
MileHigh, MarkE and TK along with many others were right to be critical of me, however not for the reasons stated in some cases.
I still wish Wayne and his team well and hope they move to a working proof of concept sooner than latter. I think they are jumping the gun a little in other areas how they are progressing their business.
Kind Regards
Quote from: webby1 on May 02, 2013, 09:12:59 AM
Again you missed the answer there TK,, you are the one who does the work for those private investors,, the ones you want to take the next best thing since sliced bread to in hopes of being funded for the research and stuff and then be the first one to publish a paper on it,, right, that is what you have said,, so when you get a GIG,, that would be WORK TK .
And again you are misrepresenting me and what I said. Get your facts straight, Webby, please.
Yes, I keep my eyes on this and other forums on my own time for something that LOOKS REAL, so that I might be able to present it to some people that I know, who would then look more deeply into "it" whatever it is and help to develop it with full IP protection for the inventor, and possibly even lots of real monetary support, and if I am the one who finds such an idea and presents it, then it will have a better chance of making it thru the door and being seriously considered. Then, and only then, might I myself benefit in any financial or academic way.... and so far there has been ZEEEERO, none, nix, nichego contenders. I began investigating the Travis claims when I was told that he had a PATENT. And that was the first lie that I uncovered: he had no patent, only an application, and the application didn't include the detail necessary for a person skilled in the art to reproduce a system that met his claims. Needless to say, the "friends" that I had spoken to about Travis gave me a big razzing about that one.
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Well,, I understand this part, and yes there are many frauds out there and yes most of them follow a pattern and most of them also seem to fall of the face of the planet when the "trick" is shown.
Again TK,, what with asking me this question?? What with trying to make me look like something I am not for not giving you the answer to this question??
You aren't answering the question because you still seem to have some faith in Travis, and yes, I contend that the two thousand dollars he gave to you have some little role in preserving your faith.
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I built a water pump that pumps water up over 12 feet,, the nifty thing is it has 1 moving part and only builds up 3 psi on the discharge side,, that I have answers for,, stuff that I have for myself.
What is its power supply? Does it run itself? Or is it like my Perpetual Water Pump, whose _only_ moving part is the water itself (except for the ZED riser of course), which runs on gravitational potential energy put into it during its "precharge" setup period (the same thing that Travis's Zed system runs on)? Or do you have to continually supply power to it while it's pumping a 12 foot head? They are just questions, and they are about your stuff that you have for yourself.
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What about that work on precession you were doing,, gonna tell us all about that?
No. But thanks for asking anyway.
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I was not aware that I was going to receive any money for the build of TBZED, i did not get informed of that until after I had posted a lot of the stuff I was observing,, so get your facts straight on this.
Where did I ever say otherwise? My facts are straight, I think. Please correct me specifically where I am wrong. I never said that Travis gave you money _before_ you started your work, did I? You cut up some tennis ball packaging, put it together with silicone glue and poured some water into it and made some measurements. Travis liked what you did and how you were talking about it, so he gave you some money. And you haven't had a negative word to say about him since, even though he's been shown many times to be.... well, shall we just say _wrong_ in many of the claims he's made.
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Vacuum,, that can really suck :) was it not you who suggested that the system should be able to run backwards,, and did I not try many things and ways of having it run backwards?? sometimes backwards is not just in the reverse direction :)
I am not in control of your experimental procedure, that's for sure, and therefore I am not responsible for your results, whatever they might be. All I know is that I was the first one to make a "self-powered" water pump incorporating a functioning ZED/Pod/riser assembly, in response to Travis's challenge, and I was the first "outsider" to show some advantage from a ZED. But since I am a skeptic and am pointing out that the Emperor in fact is naked, I got no reward from Travis, only the insults from sycophants like RedSunset, LarryC and others. Including you.
ETA: Nor would I have accepted any money from Travis had he ever offered me any. A prize award would have been gratefully acknowledged, but the money would have gone to a Chickasha no-kill animal shelter or spay-neuter program.
Quote from: profitis on May 02, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
@ramset,my intent here is to tickle tk, or any other alleged boffin here, into an electrochemical arguement on the validity of steady-state-non-equilibrium systems as a permanent voltage/current source,ie.like the experiment i threw at the poster called de truchos earlier in the thread.i want to dance with somebody ontop of the 2nd law thermo lol.i doubt any1 has electrochem knowledge here tho.
I am not qualified to discuss electrochemistry, that's for sure, except on the most rudimentary level.
Are you? What are your qualifications? Got a Ph.D. in electrochemistry from a major research university, do you? I'll bet that is what you'd require for someone to be qualified to criticize your claims.
@domichi..im glad you bring this to my attention.neon-type bulbs may be the solution to home-light of the masses of poor worldwide.just one shoebox size battery installation may be able to provide permanent lights for whole house.this is where the money is.a diagram is nt necesary as it will look like any battey,paper-thin,flexible high-tech,or normal tube or square multi-pile.it will be cheap too.cheaper than Nicad or lithium ion and easier to manufacture.im start to investigate indoors infrared photovoltaic capture also because i already see a small continuos current in 1 or 2 photoelechtrochemical systems,this shows real promise for continuous uninterrupted energy.if you get that magnet motor moving i hope you will let me work for you in research becoz you wil put me out of buisness lol.
@tk..no sir,no 'qualifications' required in the arena of this website,just knowledge.i have more qualifications than thomas edison and less qualifications than albert einstein if any1 wants to know (-:
@Profitis
Quote from: profitis on May 03, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
you get that magnet motor moving i hope you will let me work for you in research becoz you wil put me out of buisness lol.
I do not think so. Coper wiring is expensive. Self powered lamp is a better solution. And it is open for camping and off grid temporary living or nomads.
Low voltage transportation is not efficient. We have to convert to 220V. Centralize production is a paradigm from the past when they did not know how to produce closer from use. If we do not have to change the battery, self powered use is THE solution. And with a good marketing it is like magic.
Have you for me a good link to learn about thin paper batteries which repowered itself? It is not for concurency, just for my out of grid bungalow because you did not say me that you are ready to sell.
If I succeed with my magnet engine, it will be public. I do not need trouble for my pension.
@domichi,im miles away from ready to sell,need injection of cash,lab perfection from corporates and then they will decide from that point.some people in africa are making their own batteries from pieces zinc and copper/carbon in salt water and power their own lamps,radio etc wich lasts long time,then they just keep replace salt water until zinc corrodes complete finito.a few pieces zinc will last long long time.
@domichi.chek post below
@domichi.if you realy want to experiment with karpen-type everlasting cell then you will need sheet of silver metal and nickel metal or sheet of iron metal and silver metal.the electrolyte is caustic soda solution.you can experiment to build a large pile series of these cells until you get large voltage/capacitance for a single l.e.d. or neon bulb.if you want to continuous power a single 1.5volt l.e.d. you will need to get voltage of cell up to about 8volts in series pile because of voltage drop of discharge curve.
Quote from: profitis on May 03, 2013, 05:38:53 PM
@domichi.if you realy want to experiment with karpen-type everlasting cell then you will need sheet of silver metal and nickel metal or sheet of iron metal and silver metal.the electrolyte is caustic soda solution.you can experiment to build a large pile series of these cells until you get large voltage/capacitance for a single l.e.d. or neon bulb.if you want to continuous power a single 1.5volt l.e.d. you will need to get voltage of cell up to about 8volts in series pile because of voltage drop of discharge curve.
1. So what is the mass loss (weight) to power output. Given the size of the cell you will probably need a set of scales accurate to 4 digits of a gram.
2. What is the longest time you have run?
3. What is the mass to power out put and how does this compare?
4. what is the cost of materials vs power output?
All important questions
Kind Regards
@markdansie..1)zero mass loss of electrode material if this is what you mean.zero correlation of coulomb passage through cell and dissolution of electrodes.2)many months of repeated shorting for few days followed by and measurement of voltage/current/time,always the same(sometimes higher or lower by 1 or 2 decimal points due to ambient temp fluctuation).3)depends on surface area of electrodes.ive seen a 3miliamp/1volt/second/for a few secs capacitance on a 1cm2 paperthin pair electrodes.im imagining what foam electrodes would do.4)depends on answer number 3 but its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:
Quote from: profitis on May 03, 2013, 09:59:09 PM
its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:
In France Silver is not cheap, and I do not know if I can get sheet of it.
And if We have to change electrolythe it is no more everlasting. I can do the same with a car battery.
From the links that google gives me for karpen-type battery, It was not thin paper.
@domichi..scrap jewelry silver is about 4rands(0.4dollars u.s.)/gram here,quite cheap but you can also use nickel and iron pair instead of silver,but you must 1st etch nickel and iron in hydrochloric acid for few minutes until surface area rough,then rinse under tap THOROUGHLY,then soak in caustic soda solution overnight BEFORE you start measuring voltage because iron and nickel must passivate properly 1st.zero replacement of electrolyte is needed when cell is tight-sealed.you,l get about 0.3volt from passivated single cell.
Glad to see constructive discussion has returned here. ???
War-rhetoric has dominated this thread in too many pages. It's really a shame what both sides posted. Near to catastrophic those accusations. Such accusations and prejudices and other-country-hatings precede real wars. >:(To a certain degree not even in comments to muslim blogs you find such anti-americanism/francism (eh, how to call that ::)).
@profitis: Is your research related to fuel electrolysis? Not that I think 2nd law is not definitely once and for ever unbreakable.
Do you know of these new kinds of energy storage? Cooled air - Aquion energy batteries (http://www.overunity.com/13086/successful-replication-of-the-aquion-battery-technology/#.UYNJykpaGC4) - liquid heavy molten battery electrodes or Zinc-Air-fuel cells?
There is so much promising technology. And then one has to wonder if your way with relying on big companies to promote technology and innovation, no rather breakthroughs, isn't hindering progress because if there is no need for this technology and the companies get around without publishing or creating products of it -- then why not keep it for later centuries? Life-garant for companies?
Open source is the way that changes the world - and gives access for developing countries at same time -- not to talk of the benefit for peace as from chinese to irish and mexicans all try to drive this forward ... without open source we even had to pay for forum discussions .. omg. :o
@profitis:
Thanks
I think I will continue with old paradigm centralize power generation it is easier.
If I do not succeed with my magnet motor I will use solar panels. Despite their performance by 20% and their physical fragility, solar Pannels remain a safe bet.
Some stuff on Yiltitz if you scroll down the page a little
http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84 (http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84)
@markdansie...let me give you an idea of the passivity of these karpen-type electrodes,for example,both gold and platinum have electrochemical potentials HIGHER than all air or ions or solvent that surrounds them and should not react at all according to textbooks,and they dont.i know exactly how this system does work though but i dont want to say anything here but if someone wants to realy know the info is available on the net,they just have to spot it out of all the riff-raf theories,ironicly its totaly complient with todays textbooks.
@domichi..yes these examples of cells will be a waste of time,very small power,look at size of karpen,s own pile for that motor.there are rumours that it had military application though,probably for tracking or electrical fuze.
Quote from: markdansie on May 04, 2013, 06:13:19 AM
Some stuff on Yiltitz if you scroll down the page a little
http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84 (http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84)
It is more on Sterling Allen than on Yildiz.
I was in Geneva, then the Sterling Allen article is not what will direct my opinion. What is bad now, and I will no defend, is the Yildiz commercial proposal. If you are a DIY man, I let you try a Masserati, I sell you the paln for a simpler motorized wheelbarrow, and you will have to pay for all the Ferrari that you sell. And during this time industrial can sell Masserati as they have the good plan. If his motor cannot be done in DIY, its is better to say, or sells parts KIT (It was the original intent).
Sterling just posted a follow-up article about his trip to Geneva on his we site. Nowadays there is no guarantee that your posting will be approved by the censors so I am also copying my posting here:
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Sterling the whole thing was like some kind of "dance of the absurd." The Yildiz team will never do a definitive demo because it would fail and expose them as frauds. They play the "uncertainty game" in exactly the same way John Rohner used to play it.
It would have been so ridiculously easy for them to hook the motor to a generator and drive a 1000-watt resistive load, like a space heater. There is no reason in the world for them to not have done that. However, that nonsensical "magnet motor" clearly would never have been able to output significant amounts of power for one minute, much less five days straight.
You have been fed a string of lies by these people to give them some airtime on your website, nothing more than that. Sadly, the whole thing was a complete farce.
Mark my words, you will never see a working Yildiz "all magnet motor" in your lifetime. This is just a "never-ending uncertainty con" in the hopes of attracting gullible people with lots of cash to spare.
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MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on May 04, 2013, 01:51:53 PM
Sterling just posted a follow-up article about his trip to Geneva on his we site.
MileHigh
In casting your vote of "Dance of the Absurd", remember that in the poll so far, there is a healthy portion of people who are "certain of it", going even beyond my level of confidence, which is "very likely".
I'd be curious to know what causes them to have this level of confidence.
52 votes say "certain of it." That's not an unsubstantial number. 56 vote with me "very likely". 52 say "maybe".
The "definitely not" portion has lost 9 percent to the "probably not" votes in the last month.
Sterling:
Polls are a real issue in journalism in general. When pollsters ask people questions, the first question should be "Do you feel you are qualified to answer the question?" about whatever subject matter is at hand. Pollsters have become totally irresponsible and they ask people questions that they know ahead of time the vast majority of people are not capable of answering. A example from pop culture might be, "What do you think was Madonna's best tour?" How many people do you think have seen all of Madonna's tours over the past 30 years? Questions like that are silly.
For your poll, we can assume that the vast majority of people have followed the saga and they are informed of the facts. We also know that Yildiz did not deliver at all on what he said that he would deliver, and there was no evidence that he demoed anything that could rule out batteries. You yourself have been dealing with the issues in a more realistic fashion, and you also were keenly aware of the battery issue.
Going back to polls, a scientific poll is supposed to be from a representative sample of the general population. Also, normally the sample size is just over a thousand people and the statistical analysis for that sample size states that the results will be within +/- 3% 19 times out of 20. (I am pulling this from memory, my figures would have to be double checked.)
If in theory you had more than 1000 people from the general population that followed the Yildiz story, and polled them, I can guarantee you that the results would be drastically different.
Anyway, this is all academic. You know where the burden of proof lies.
I can give you one example that causes lots of frustration for your readership. The fan loading issue. They claimed 380 watts and that was a ridiculous lie. Other people see you not challenge these claims and they conclude that they can get away with all sorts of similar shenanigans when you interview them for a story. You know the old cliche, "He built a free energy machine and had it working for several months. Then he decided to take it apart for parts to build the next version and he can't get it going anymore and he needs to focus on 'tuning' for a few more months before his next demo." I read that and I say to myself it's a lie, he never had a free energy machine that he took apart. I simply don't believe it. In your case, you publish that as a story.
MileHigh
@sterlinga..you are doing a fantastic job sir,keep up the good work,truly an inspiration to hundreds thousands.keep an eye on south africa for the next big thing,and no,it wont be another motor.
Hi Sterling
you should check out the revolution-green website. They have started to run a series of articles about your folly in magnetic motiors. The first of four have been published.
The web-site was started as there is a loss in confidence in your ethics and abilities. To quote:
One of the underlying motives in creating this site was to provide an alternative archive of information regarding clean energy to the well known[/font][/size]PESN.com (http://www.pesn.com/)[/color][/size] (see also: [/font][/size]Peswiki.com (http://www.peswiki.com/)[/color][/size]). Revolution-Green.com's editors and a lot of our readers have been disappointed in the recent direction that Sterling Allen, the sole moderator of PESN.com has taken. We became frustrated and decided to do something about it. With a team of knowledgeable and talented writers, we intend to fill an archive of [/font][/size]energy (http://www.wikinvest.com/industry/Energy)[/color][/size] research coverage that will in the near future rival the vast archive that our now competitor PESN.com has collected since 2001[/font][/size]
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Also one of many comments from readers[/font][/size]
"I personally don't believe that Sterling's motives are impure. But I definitely know he has become willfully ignorant of the obvious, consumed by the limelight and blind to his own fate because of it. It's sad that this article series ever had to be written but the history of PESN is indisputable, the destination inevitable.
I feel badly for Sterling. The winds of change are coming and his house of cards will be no more."[/size][/color]
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So Kind regards as usual, this is one of many initiatives to bring some credibility to the industry. Your readers have already started to vote with their wallets, soon you will be competing with this and many other sites now under construction.
Quote from: sterlinga on May 04, 2013, 11:56:48 PM
In casting your vote of "Dance of the Absurd", remember that in the poll so far, there is a healthy portion of people who are "certain of it", going even beyond my level of confidence, which is "very likely".
I'd be curious to know what causes them to have this level of confidence.
52 votes say "certain of it." That's not an unsubstantial number. 56 vote with me "very likely". 52 say "maybe".
The "definitely not" portion has lost 9 percent to the "probably not" votes in the last month.
I followed that poll for the first week and what I saw was almost 90% the votes checked on "Definitely not" and suddently more votes appeared all to "certain of it" and "very likely" and "maybe". And how amazing it is that those 3 poll choices have almost practically the same ammount of votes?
It's as if someone was renewing his IP and casting new votes in order to fraud the poll but who would earn anything with that?
Guess this has reached a point where hardly anything coming from you can be trusted as "realistic" and "professional".
This entire thread did a way better job analyzing and investigating the Yildiz scam than you ever did, your poll and your observations pale in comparisson to what is in here.
Keep baning/censoring/depriving/changing comments on your website, these other free-speech forums will only profit with that.
@shadow..crap man,this thread ripped not only the demo to threads but yildiz himself,like a pack of wild dogs,it was only me and domichi who were fighting, just 2 stay on the fence,not exactly a balanced critism.
Quote from: profitis on May 05, 2013, 09:43:45 AM
@shadow..crap man,this thread ripped not only the demo to threads but yildiz himself,like a pack of wild dogs,it was only me and domichi who were fighting, just 2 stay on the fence,not exactly a balanced critism.
We showed every clear evidence of a scam, none of you 2 showed anything worthwhile. And the fact that only 2 were "trying" to defend the legitimacy of the motor vs all the rest pointing out that it was a scam already speaks for itself.
We are all open to new inventions but when they start stinking and deteriorating just like this one then all that is left is the scam stamp until proven legit.
@shadow..we werent trying to defend its 'legitimacy',just its objectivity.one has to remain objective when the interior is invisible.
Quote from: profitis on May 05, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
@shadow..we werent trying to defend its 'legitimacy',just its objectivity.one has to remain objective when the interior is invisible.
You included yourself when you said "it was only me and domichi who were fighting" and as far as this thread shows DomiChi was in fact defending its legitimacy.
If you are too tired to read his words by yourself I can quote them again for you.
@shadow..whooaar,whooaar mr shadow,ok,relax.lets give mr allen some space here to chat ok,lets put guns down,for now.
Quote from: profitis on May 05, 2013, 10:49:46 AM
@shadow..whooaar,whooaar mr shadow,ok,relax.lets give mr allen some space here to chat ok,lets put guns down,for now.
Unless the next words from Sterling are those of a man that will be comitted into investigating the evidences of the scam and clearing them out with concise and well conducted unbiased reports then there is nothing from him that I want to read anymore.
My guns won't be down, in fact they will remain point blank ready to shoot at the next nonsense that may come up OR I may draw them off if his next words are those of a person with a brain in his head that isn't smaller than a marble.
@shadow..yeah you better hope that gun dont backfire cowboy.
The Yildiz motor was a scam. If you believers have a problem with that, I wish you good recovery. ;-)
Vidar
Quote from: profitis on May 05, 2013, 11:15:29 AM
@shadow..yeah you better hope that gun dont backfire cowboy.
Don't worry, whenever it backfires I have no problem acknowledging my mistake.
But thanks for your concern.
lol who else believes this Muammer Yildz fake motor works?
What a joke! ::)
DomiChi and Profitis.
I am far from being technically qualified unlike many others here to asses a magnetic motor. However I have traveled the world with at time various engineers and scientists testing magnetic motors for several years. This has been over several years. I also consult and in some cases assist inventors with projects, indeed there is one now I hope to see have breakthrough. Most or I should say the majority never even make forums, the internet or any media. Some have had hundreds of thousands spent on them with very qualified engineers and scientists.
All of these did not play games (except where the inventor was a con) when it came to scrutiny and testing. They wanted the truth. One friend invested over $750,000 and in the end was happy to concede it was not possible.
Is it possible? I will never say never, but given all past efforts its highly unlikely.
Have followed the Yilditz project for many years, with a few insiders assisting along the way, I can honestly say he is a deluded person with some ego or mental issues or a straight out con. Keep them guessing. he has taken money from investors in the past who are very upset. One day The legal system will catch up with him like they did Mike Brady and a few others.
I know I wont change you view but at least you will remember this in years to come and perhaps develop some wisdom.
I wish you the best on your own projects
Mark
@markdansie..thats the amazing thing about a magnetic motor,no qualifications are needed to assess its viability.if anyone in this world can clearly demonstrate a all-magnet system that continuously moves,even just overcoming air-friction,then its a 2nd law bust but yildiz has not yet opened that motor up to us so i have no choice but to sit the fence and take same attitude to andrea rossi until more information is revealed.i wont support believers or non believers.whats the difference between yildiz and andrea rossi?why havent you dismissed rossi?
Dear profits,
you missed my points, I had many highly skilled and recognized Scientists or engineers assist at all times. I have seen leading engineers from international companies fooled. What I bring is experience and knowing the box of tricks these fraudsters often use. I and many associates have built up a wealth of knowledge in these areas. i have seen magnetic motors used to take money from not so wealthy people losing in some cases their life savings. I have posted warning often publicly about the John Rohners etc only to be critisied by Sterling who continued to promote him after receiving payment in the form of goods.
Since this is a matter of faith as no science is involved, why do you not ask all your friends and relatives on your blind faith belief invest in Yilditz. [size=78%]I do not see the need to reply again as you both exhibit cultist or religious type following using faith only when it comes to Yilditz. You. like people like Sterling ignore[/size][size=78%] the overwhelming evidence that go against any claims he has made. This could have been settled years ago. As a good friend quoted recently the only enemy is ignorance.[/size]
PS I dismissed Rossi two years ago, there is an effect, but he has failed on all counts to deliver. he refused proper testing methodologies two years ago.
As I said all the best with your projects, I know we will be graced with your silence soon as happens with the hundreds before you over the years in these forums who are loud at first only to be silent when the fat lady sings
Kind Regards
Mark
@markdansie..i understand yes but it seems we are coming from 2 different perspectives here.you havent yet witnessed a 2nd law thermodynamics discrepency ever before,unless the eefg is one such a case.i have,and it has ripped my mind open to a plethora of possibilities,a whole new world.i,l never endorse handing over of any money to yildiz until the day comes when he displays the principal OPENLY.he doesnt have to show his motors configuration,just the principal in action.i even told domichi not to put any money on2 yildiz until its opened to scrutiny.if its a scam let the law or a disgruntled investor launch a suit.as i said before only a fool will part with money BEFORE looking at open principal in action.and as for me dwindling in2 silence?vasily karpen is dead yet his project is far from silent sir.
Good point Profitis, I guess its time to let this thread die a natural death until the next circus act.
Kind Regards
Mark
@markdansie..yes this thread is toasted,twas fun tho. should be stored for perpetuum mobilum history posterity of the yildiz saga lol.i,l keep in touch with you regarding my device if you havnt written me off. the reason why i want your attention in particular is because of the eefg,s similarity to my gadget.
Quote from: shadowpt on May 05, 2013, 06:53:52 AM
It's as if someone was renewing his IP and casting new votes in order to fraud the poll but who would earn anything with that?
Guess this has reached a point where hardly anything coming from you can be trusted as "realistic" and "professional".
You know that you are sick. That is called paranoia.
no problem pofitis, I enjoy a lively discussion
keep me updated
email is markdansie@gmail.com
Signing off from this thread
Mark
Hi,
come on guys, if this thing was for real, a competent motor maufacturer would soon be able to build it. With
the expertise available to them reliability wouldn't be a problem.
Mr Yildiz would be world famous and the thing would take his name just like Diesel and his engine.
Just imagine this scenario, you're going on a camping trip and you say to your mate, "don't fotget to
bring the Yildiz".
I'd have a couple myself for powering remote bits of equipment, it's a real pain changing batteries every few
days as solar just doesn't do it in the winter.
John.
@minnie..its not quite as simple as that.if any motor anywhere in the world was real it would have to dance,skip,and jump over quite a large oilfield before it became implemented.this is not impossible however.the question as to the power capabilities of any such a motor would be crucial also.
@profitis.. I wouldn't mind having all the money that's been wasted on Bedini motors, self charging battery devices and
buoyancy machines.
I've never seen anything yet that produces a watt. I don't believe you'd be able to supress any technology if it was
proven to work.
Don't worry about oil, change takes a long time. Say Rossi really has something,(unlikely as he's been stringing us along
without real proof for a long time now), it will take a long time for it to make a major impact.
The only thing I have learned over the past few years is that there must be a load of extremely gullible investors out there. I
would have thought some of them would be the ones to eliminate some of these rogues
John.
@minnie,dam right they cant suppress evrything.some things are just not worth their while to suppress anyway(altho they should be suppressed if i were them)eg.the karpen pile,there you will find plenty more than the one watt that you seek.there are many elites of power who have nothing whatsoever to do with oil and would welcome new tech.as for rossi and the multitudes of related claims you are welcome to take a pile of catalyst and h2 and heat them up in a pressure cooker and judge from that point onwards,ive never cheked it out but i cant rule it out because the universe tends towards greater entropy(at least in these parts)so a way may be provided to tease through coulombic barriers to effect such entropy increase to more stable elemental states.
Hi Minnie,
one problem, there is nothing working to manufacture. Many entrepreneur's have been past his doors and gone away for a number of reasons, the most obvious he refuses to let anyone do a proper validation.
Hopefully one day someone will have something real to offer.
Kind Regards
@gianna..if ur reading this i saw your little snide remark.come out wherever you are.
Domichi and Profits
I suggest you two consummate your relationship and book a motel room.
Actually you remind me of another thread who had multiple sign ins and talked to himself. (Tesung)
Its always entertaining watching a couple of villiage idiots.
Take note form TK, go ask any of these people including Sterling how they pay for electricity.
PS here is your chance to buy a Yilditz licence:
http://pesn.com/2013/04/25/9602302_Yildiz-entertaining-manufacturing-licensees---BUT/
BUY IT !!!!
dont be silly @de truchos.im not gona buy that crap.you can buy it.go home,this thread is closed.
dont be silly @de truchos.im not gona buy that crap.you can buy it.go home,this thread is closed.
How many times has this happened? The "true believers" can't sustain any actual arguments, they lose at every twist and turn, so they pout, stomp their feet and demand the thread be closed, or pretend that it is, or "wave goodbye" over... and over..... and over..........
Rosemary Ainslie, at least twice
Wayne Travis
Mylow
Archer Quinn
Yildiz apologists
Gmeast
and others.... and yet, not a single one of those claimants has ever managed to produce actual evidence that their claims are or were true.
For example.... here is the current state of "progress" at Wayne Travis's site. Remember.... this is the person who claimed to have a self running system, years ago...... but doesn't have one now, as anyone can clearly see from reading his newsletters.
http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives
Nothing stands in his way (except the laws of Physics) ... but he still cannot do what he claimed to have done, so vehemently and vociferously.
Hi,
" Yildiz-entertaining-manufacturing-licensees". No takers yet! I'll bet there would be if he
were to give us some proper scientific proof.
John.
@tk.yes that is so true.i dont see where mr travis device can violate the 2lot,have you built such a type device?
Hi,
the Tinselzed is impressive, just got one small glitch, after so long it stops! What is baffling is the immense size some
of these gravity machines assume. James Kwok's Hidro, the Travis machine and the latest offering from Brazil are huge
contraptions, surely a table top model would suffice? Another OTT example is Rossi's 1 mw. plant.
The small Yidiz motor was exhibiting about the best performance you could expect from a magnet motor, seemed to
me it was just lacking a battery which would probably have kept it turning.
John.
yes ive seen only 2 gravity devices capable of perpetuum mobile,one is simply a long column of air in a long plastic tube,the temperature has been confirmed to always be a few millikelvin warmer at the bottom than at the top due to accelleration of random gas atoms on the downward path but its quite impractical.the other is an osmosis column where the vapour pressure of solvent always exceeds that of the solution resulting in very slow cycling of solvent,also impractical nonetheless both are direct evidence of 2lot violations.maybe someone will stumble onto more practical means oneday.
Quote from: DomiChi on April 29, 2013, 10:09:19 AM
Best regards MarkDansie.
But I will stay to say to Profitis how we continue on French forum. Yildiz or not Yildiz ?
As I defended the Yildiz principle, I will be not so persevering on Yildiz commercial way.
I wrote in French forum:Translated:I already write to Halli with his form to have better information than on PESWiki, on what is the "open source' plans, I am waiting for answer. If I receive usefull information, I will put it here.
It is a long time ago, and I never had answer. Then I put this commercial offer in the scam box, even if the system works.
For the moment I'm not realy sure of the true but if it work it could be because an electrical connexion between the rotor and the stator.
When I see the video of jrcompiter on youtube, he use conductives materials, so the air must acts like a capacitor.
Then, wait and see.
Quote from: PiCéd on September 15, 2013, 01:01:35 PM
For the moment I'm not realy sure of the true but if it work it could be because an electrical connexion between the rotor and the stator.
When I see the video of jrcompiter on youtube, he use conductives materials, so the air must acts like a capacitor.
Then, wait and see.
Are you speaking about Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor?
Hi, i'm new here but i read all this novel.
Looking more updated info look what i found:
Plans for 2015 production of the Yildiz magnet Motor
http://www.bsmhturk.com/news.html
The price of one 5 kVA electric power generator is 15,100 euro + VAT. Beta testers (First 2.000 motors) will have 10% discount.
If I'm not wrong it gives 27,180,000 euros!
Maybe it's his last big shot? Nobody can stop him?
Yildiz is selling lies. Caveat emptor.
Muammer Yildiz's invention is being started to mass production .
As far as I understand , 5 , 10 , 50 , 500 ,1000 , 1500 and 2000 kW units to be produced .
All patent and registrations are done.
Waiting for the production license.
More info : http://hmsbturk.com/tr/ (http://hmsbturk.com/tr/) (turkish language)
Hi,
After long time I am back in replicating this motor...
Here is my new way... https://youtu.be/cpm86GCX6Q4 (https://youtu.be/cpm86GCX6Q4)
If someone is doing this in another way or if you see a solution for this please let me know ;)
Who dont belive in this please do not post replay, just skip it.
Thank you
Hi All,
The Yildiz motor works for a certain time.
One of the principals to have a magnet motor work is when the magnets are frozen.
You can see that Yildiz always hits something inside the motor, in fact he breaking something in order to have the magnet turning, that is liquid nitrogen.
Its a nice thing to try at home when using magnet motors.
Kimd regards,
Triangle
I know your comment most likely will not be what recent poster wants to read.
However ...can you describe the mechanism which causes this to happen ?
also How is your new project ?[maybe update in other thread]we have persons who are dedicated to getting such concepts out to the world [
only one string attached,,,MUST be open sourced.
Chet K
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100217&CC=EP&NR=2153515A2&KC=A2 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100217&CC=EP&NR=2153515A2&KC=A2)
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08801521&tab=main (https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08801521&tab=main)
open source without restrictions
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041021&CC=WO&NR=2004091083A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041021&CC=WO&NR=2004091083A1&KC=A1)
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP04721760&tab=main (https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP04721760&tab=main)
open source without restriction
Freeze the magnets means to hold stable the internal movement
Instead "freezing" a (pseudo)-vacuum chamber ambient ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19991224&CC=JP&NR=H11356033A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19991224&CC=JP&NR=H11356033A&KC=A)
The relation between the amount of the power of the small-power, small-sized prime mover (model motor) and the amount of the power required for driving the 100 V-output generator for practical use is opposite relation of force and linked relation of force and is completely different from the relation between them in the atmosphere.
In the relation in the vacuum chamber, application of force of '1' obtains an output of '100' due to the opposite relation of force.
In other words, a small power required for rotation of the prime mover can be turned into an unlimitedly large output for practical use.
Minimum physical "vacuum"-definition ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum)
A transformer in a vacuum chamber : behaviour ? Beginning with a fridge/freezer ambient !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dIGQvMywVw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dIGQvMywVw)
The Kohei Minato magnet motor : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ieFKEvZMM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ieFKEvZMM)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/011822615/publication/US4751486A?q=pn%3DUS4751486A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/011822615/publication/US4751486A?q=pn%3DUS4751486A)
EP-office granted ! But : priority 1986 = 2020 open source
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19950405&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0256132B1&KC=B1&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19950405&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0256132B1&KC=B1&ND=4)
The company of the Turkish inventor (retired policeman) Muammer Yulduz exists and offers (or rather declares the possibilities) of its magnetic generators:
http://www.hmsbturk.com/
On the page, (questions / answers (http://hmsbturk.com/tr/sss/)) there is information of interest:
Quote1 - Are magnetic motors currently for sale?
Answer: Sales are made for 100kw, 500kw, 1000kw products. Power up to 70 kW, this is a combined device that includes "generator + magnetic monopole" blocks. There is also no need for an external generator.
2 – When will all sales start?
Answer: According to the Renewable Energy Law No. 5346, special units up to 1000 kW can be manufactured. Without obtaining a manufacturer's license, production cannot be carried out. However, generator products purchased from generator factories are established and these studies are limited. It is not known exactly when the mining license will be issued. The process of obtaining the necessary permits for production is ongoing. Supervision and management of this process is not in our hands.
3 - What will be the prices for engines?
Answer: Not disclosed yet. However, it is planned to amortize the investment, which will be made in about 2 years. Raw materials, taxation, international agreements are the main defining elements.
4 - What is the engine power?
Answer: The required power engine can be manufactured. However, in the first place, it is planned to mass-produce 5 and 10 kVA motors. Products of various strengths are also in the design stage and will be manufactured according to certain demand criteria.
(What interests the consumer is not produced, my note (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmvqHXIfPqEOgOZQ5TlXh2wLlThjPfRim8Z0zUqCKYhJSQq6v0i2BCmtJNPk6rBYVDfyj6YSncbe6wvKthzBb0agjqIegdBwwYrG2y6VCAgwIsGORg7n2gHep4MOZAumfeK4XE8cx0DKWgdemN3nyAPdAAPGVKiEAeOBcjnaFDr3wUHBU-906Uq_DN/w522-h217/2022-09-07_094944.jpg))
5 - Are the motors powered by any external power source?
Answer: No. No energy is taken from outside. Only the power of the magnets is used.
6 – What is the lifetime of magnets in motors?
Answer: The stipulated term is 18 years. This period is the period specified by the magnet manufacturing companies.
At one time in 2019, a Turkish inventor with his Italian partner wanted to make an online demonstration with the subsequent sale of a small batch of 7.5 kW household magnetic generators. But the system reacted instantly and for the layman everything broke down after 6 hours and 40 minutes.
Chronology link:
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2020/03/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Is there a contact for inventor ( perhaps PM to Stefan?)
If this claim is genuine it "must " be understood and replicated!
IMO open sourced
Too many years and ?
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on September 10, 2022, 10:10:23 AM
Is there a contact for inventor ( perhaps PM to Stefan?)
If this claim is genuine it "must " be understood and replicated!
IMO open sourced
Too many years and ?
Respectfully
Chet K
Hey Chet,
IMHO, this guy is just after a gain without releasing any info...much less selling any prototypes.
He does the "gain" by giving Conferences where he charges an arm and a leg...then just takes apart and show the outer parts of motor...
BUT, NEVER, Ever shows the inside bulky Armature Assembly, or the CENTER CORE of his Motor.He is very comfortable like that...as long as He has an "Audience" who pays for it.
He has been like that since he started, many years ago.
Everything else about this motor ways of functioning is just pure speculation.
Unless someone comes out and shows a running motor, then take it apart in full.
Regards
Ufopolitics