Quote from: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 12:31:52 AM
I applaud your efforts and willingness to cooperate.

But... in your description of your experiment, I didn't see how you performed the blinding. Did you yourself put the coil in the cup? Really, you should have someone else do it and mix the cups up, without you seeing that part.

Oh, damn!   That's a good idea, I had been putting them there and waiting till I forgot, or drank to blackout...

Give me a little credit Tinsel, the coil was placed by someone else when I was out of the room and a cup at random put over it and the other cup put elsewhere on the table.

If I had known where it was or had any way of knowing I wouldn't have got it wrong half the time before controlling for those factors.

I'll happily do more, but it became tiresome for both me and the person assisting.
I will do a few more, then film it, sure it would be easy to cheat with the person's assistance if I wanted to, so you will have to take me at my word, and I'm not expecting you to live up to your promise based on that alone, still it is a good first step towards that, all that has to be ruled out then is fraud or to reach a more statistically significant result.

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Only after the coil is concealed by the cup and the cups are arranged in a random manner should you yourself (or other test subject) be allowed to see the cups.

It was!

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And there really should be more than just two cups.

I respectfully disagree. I mean I get it, it requires fewer trials with more cups to rule out statistical chance, sure.
But it can be proven with 2 cups given more trials to the same level of confidence.
I am not saying that more cups wouldn't work, probably it would, I am just saying I have proven I can do 2 cups to my own satisfaction provided something improbable did not occur, and so if I did wish to go ahead with 2 cups it does not preclude gathering some rather compelling evidence.

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This would be a "double blind" protocol, as long as nobody knows which cup contains the coil when the trial is performed.

True, now it wasn't double blind, but I can assure you I did not, not even subconsciously read the person helping to set them up.
Nor did I look at them.
It's someone I have never been able to read   And I am not that observant about peoples facial expressions and other ques.
I think it is very hard to setup this as a double blind, maybe the best that could be done is they leave the room so we are never in the same room at the same time, this is easy in my house as you can do a loop, maybe that should be the next test.

Even then... instead of detecting the energy, you could be reading the mind of the person who set it up and knows which cup it's in.   ( just kidding... sort of.)

Yes, in theory.
But it gets kinda silly.
Look, there is already no way the things that have happened could have happened if this was just that...
And if you do want to go for that theory, then it means that I give a coil to someone who knows about it, they sit in a hospital waiting room next to someone who then reads their mind and feel an energy based on what their person has in their pocket...
It gets pretty silly.


And then there is the fact that this aetheric science shows huge correlation between different people engaged in it developing and finding the same things and agreeing maybe not with each others theories and models but experiments producing the same effects.


I have many times independently of someone developed the same techniques and feel the same things, it is well well beyond coincidence.
I have also had many body (overload, or drained, or malaise) and healing effects, but you could put everything down to the mind I guess, but, it just isn't true.

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The experiment could also be performed under the Signal Detection Theory protocol. This is both simpler and more complicated, heh. It would involve only a single cup, but many trials (like 30 or 50, the more the better) where the coil is either in the cup, or it isn't, randomly, and your task is simply to tell whether it is or isn't. Without touching the cup of course!

If one cup can work, then so can 2   <Later on I see why you like one cup more, I think.
I could try that, but I think comparison between 2 cups or more is good.
I will try a few rounds of that, really it has the same value as picking which cup, it is a binary choice.

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This also has complications, like what if the energy "imprints" on the cup and causes False Alarms (a technical term in SDT). SO to avoid this you'd need a stack of cups and use a new one for each trial.

Since I boosted the power of what I am feeling such imprints aren't having too serious an impact, when it was just a nail, the noise would ruin the signal.  I can feel some very subtle energies, but this is also a problem.
Still if I got one wrong at this point I would look for a cause.  I have already thought that ideally dots should be placed to record the locations that were imprinted on.


I will do another 5 tests and if they work I will film 10-20 tests and upload if they go all or almost all well., either 2 cups or maybe more if that tests ok.

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Of course you need to test beforehand to make sure that the cup doesn't block energy (leading to a Miss (another tech term in SDT)

These cups might be attenuating,  not sure, but they don't block the energy, but good point, maybe paper cups would, at any rate I should test.
There is one issue, by the cups being the same it means they can easily become linked like twins, they are energetically resonant, and could transfer energies between them, so I might rather use mismatched cups, but first I would need to test that itself does not cause problems!


Luckily so far that has not happened to an obvious degree.

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instead of a HIT.)  (In an SDT protocol, on a given trial the subject sees a cup, and responds either "Yes it's in there" or "No, empty cup". And of course the cup either does contain the coil or it doesn't. So we have 4 possible outcomes: HIT (you correctly detected the coil), MISS (the coil was there but you said it wasn't), False Alarm FA (the coil wasn't there but you said it was) or Correct Rejection CR (the coil wasn't there and you said empty cup).

Ok, so it's not binary after all.
I see why you like it more, still, 2 cups provides evidence, just slower.
I can try that method, but I think direct comparison is the easiest, if I feel energy in both places I go with the strongest, if energy is weak on both I go with the strongest, it gives me a reference.


I guess I could have additional known cup with coil and known cup without coil for comparison purposes, and see if the cup under test, the unknown cup, matches the one with or without a coil, this give a reference.   Still, probably any number of cups works, I just need to have a strong signal when testing this, like 100 times stronger than the minimum I can feel, maybe more, that give clarity.

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Each trial will result in one of these four outcomes. At the end of all trials the percentages are calculated and a graph is drawn which will show any bias, how sensitive you are to the stimulus, and how strong the stimulus must be before you detect it. SDT is extremely powerful. )

As far as the money goes... Hmmm. Perhaps you've learned that real tests of these things are more complicated than it first appears.

Very much so.
I am increasingly regaining my confidence, but I did expect that I could just feel energy through things, but that is not nearly as easy as feeling energies on the surfaces of things, when I really thought about it, I never feel energies under things normally, I can feel the difference in the texture of the energy from the shag mats .vs wood boards floors while standing with my hands feet above the floor.
I can feel the walls across the room, the lighting fixture.
But I never feel things through walls or floors normally, when I do it is some powerful energy.


But with my initial tests I thought I'd be find feeling nails lying down through fat cushions, that was totally not correct! 
It turns out covering things is an issue as the energy is attenuated, absorbed, altered by the passage, by the geometry of it.
So there are a huge number of complicating factors, many I knew existed like energy persistence, but I had no idea how much of a problem all these issues turn out to be combined, and therefore all of these need to be controlled for including my subconscious sabotaging me with wrong guesses that manifest energy.  Ironically I might do best if I am drained, if I am charged I will project so much more energy.

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  That's worth a lot of money right there. So I agree, we can put the money matter aside for the present. Of course I can't speak for anyone other than myself!

Ok, cool, so here is what I intend to do...


As discussed above, I will run a few more tests for my own confidence.
Then I will run a few tests with either 1 cup, or a number of cups, see if either proves to be a problem.


Then I will film 10 or 20 tests based on the best method...


Then we can get someone more independent involved, someone who is friendly so I am at ease, yet suitable careful and impartial.


My question to you then Tinsel is, then what?


I don't want whatever you offered initially, a white paper or something, I'd rather quite simply that I have an audience of active experimenters who would try my tips and learn to feel energy for themselves!


Because I think I can hopefully, when I can pull myself from the effortlessness of graphic and unpowered coil based designs, advance to physical experiments and quickly get results, but once I get to that stage, honestly I will be too protective of myself and my work to share.


I have learnt so incredibly much over the past 7 + 17 years that I also am in danger of become incomprehensible, spouting my own made up language of gobbledygook     Currently I can still dumb it down.

Hi Aether22,
OK, 5 minutes experiment. I did it.
Wrapped a first layer on a iron core, winded back and knot. Then insulation with 4 layer of cardboard.
Final layer: half of the turns CW and half CCW. Energized the final layer with a battery with a switch.

I don't feel anything. I have tried on two occasions and with 2 types of different battery (6 and 12 volt).
Nothing at all. Am I one of those who do not feel the "sensation" ?
Do I have to change something ?
To measure a sensation I think it's a big problem. You said conventional measuring systems fail.
What can we use to measure this event?
Uv camera? Geyger counters? Thermometers? Magnetometers? Vibration or movement sensors?
Thanx

Quote from: icarus on July 29, 2018, 03:03:41 AM
Hi Aether22,
OK, 5 minutes experiment. I did it.
Wrapped a first layer on a iron core, winded back and knot. Then insulation with 4 layer of cardboard.
Final layer: half of the turns CW and half CCW. Energized the final layer with a battery with a switch.

I don't feel anything. I have tried on two occasions and with 2 types of different battery (6 and 12 volt).
Nothing at all. Am I one of those who do not feel the "sensation" ?
Do I have to change something ?
To measure a sensation I think it's a big problem. You said conventional measuring systems fail.
What can we use to measure this event?
Uv camera? Geyger counters? Thermometers? Magnetometers? Vibration or movement sensors?
Thanx

While I have not done exhaustive testing to say the least, I don't think there is any conventional way to measure all the types of this "energy".


So what I am going to ask you to try now is to wind a wire around one or both of the wires in that coil, but especially the inside one.


The straight grey wire would be the wire of say the inner coil, and the wire wrapped around it would be a separate piece of wire.


Now the right side end of the coil in the image could be ideally pointing into the inner coil (not out)  and you would feel the other end of that wire coil.


Wire coil in image \  \ \\|  > inner |||||||  coil > lead out---    Feel here


Feel the energy issuing out of the end, the coil in that image issues energy out the right side.


This will notably boost the energy coming from the coil and give you a much increased chance of feeling the energy.
I would have mentioned it at the start, but I wanted to keep it simple.

Quote from: icarus on July 29, 2018, 03:03:41 AM
Hi Aether22,
OK, 5 minutes experiment. I did it.
Wrapped a first layer on a iron core, winded back and knot. Then insulation with 4 layer of cardboard.
Final layer: half of the turns CW and half CCW. Energized the final layer with a battery with a switch.

Ok, so I see you did half the turns CW half CCW, that won't work.
There must be more turns one direction.


Also, the coil works BETTER if the outer coil is less neat and is scramble wound.


So add another coil in series with the outer coil and and do say 25 scramble wound turns to re-inforce one of the directions.


to be clear when energized this pole should have a North magnetic pole in the middle of it, I probably have not made that clear enough, but test with a magnet of known polarity, the south pole of a test magnet should be attracted to the center of this coil if it is made right.


Also, the ideal would be to put in AC or pulsed DC so there is a changing magnetic field in the outer coil.


With that correction and the addition of the coil in the previous post you stand a much better chance of feeling an energy issue out the tip of the end of the inner coil lead.
To feel the energy, move your have toward and away from the wire, this helps it connect.

huuummm.