Poll
Question:
Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc, Concave, or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Option 1: The earth is a flat round disc!
Option 2: The earth is a flat round disc with a dome!
Option 3: The earth is a round speriical globe!
Option 4: The earth is concave!
Please participate in the poll. Users are allowed to change their vote at any time!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false" - William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981).
Flat earthers (FE) and ballers, present your evidence and prepare your rebuttals.
Gravock
The U.N. Flag, The International Maritime Organization, The World Meteorological Organization, and the International Civil Aviation Organization ALL use the Flat Earth Map for their Logo All surrounded by Apollo's Laurel Leaves.
Gravock
I can zoom in on 200 miles standing on the flat looking out to sea ! This is a very important reality that is not so-posed to be a reality ! Just like the Dutch canal builders who we amazed that they could see a straight line over a 50 mile canal that they had built .
What is obvious is the effects of dark matter in optical lens pictures and this must be considered as a fact in all that we take a picture of ! This has mind bending problems in all cosmology and physics.
It all may seem to be round but it still could be flat ! Or both ? If all things have an equal and an opposing force than this may also be true to time and space where flat is round and round is flat !
This warping of our space time in order to create a false state of reality would explain how all that is may not in fact exist as solid state mater ! Your reality is only in your head and in the now as only now truly exists . If you are not in motion than the world is flat ! This is the simplistic way of putting
it.
What this could mean is that we all share the same space time and a new way to transport information at any distance in just a second is also part of this fabric ! But our mind set is created to only think and consider the reality we are thought. Does a monkey ask such questions ? NO ! So why are we now asking them ?
US Navy Missile Instructor confirms FLAT EARTH (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxJOB0vcZ4NI&usg=AFQjCNHWea2VxnnapG8xPyKGI1VjEwppBw&sig2=t2hjOTzRyYHkiW1vuyMzlA)!
US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Tour (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIIzAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4_PACz4HS28&usg=AFQjCNEuQR6DqPrbxQcm4AP3Rx9Vbcknbw&sig2=rR72mGTN2Ez0L5y8MQc0rg)!
US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Service (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIKTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZ5jWs-xZiaE&usg=AFQjCNFbqtA4Q9YPWPKdruI8j3-Xt7ZEdA&sig2=28hJMv8mmGZHgn5s5whPxw)!
Gravock
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!
* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).
Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?
Gravock
Here is an interesting website that has some interesting perspectives regarding the flat earth:
flatearth.goesviral.net
A. I believe the Coriolis Effect absolutely proves a spherical planet.
For those that don't know, the Coriolis Effect causes water to rotate CCW (going down a drain)
in the northern hemisphere & Clockwise in the southern hemisphere.
B. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for a flat earth to have a Coriolis Effect.
C. PLUS for those "Flat Earthers" out there. Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO? LOL
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Quote from: FatBird on April 28, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
I believe the Coriolis Effect absolutely proves a spherical planet.
For those that don't know, the Coriolis Effect causes water to rotate CCW in
the northern hemisphere & Clockwise in the southern hemisphere.
It would be IMPOSSIBLE for a flat earth to have a Coriolis Effect.
PLUS for those "Flat Earthers" out there. Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO? LOL
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Maybe you should actually try flushing a few toilets. The very fact toilets totally ignore Coriolis can only be another argument in favour of a flat earth.
Modern Mythology: Flushing Toilets & The Coriolis Effect (http://teenskepchick.org/2012/01/09/flushing-toilets-the-coriolis-effect/)
Does the rotation of the Earth affect toilets and baseball games? (http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/rotation-earth-toilet-baseball2.htm)
A few more science myths (http://www.mythbusters.com/a-few-more-science-myths.html)
Gravock
BUT you haven't answered Part C. Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO? LOL
Plus, the Coriolis Effect DOES affect large moving things like large ships, Rounds fired from a tank,
Battle ship gunners, air, water, etc. Do a Google Search & See for yourself.
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Of course, the earth is flat for flat brained people.
If you are a mental flat-liner you see immediately that the earth is flat, just look around you.
It is good to do flat thinking, you will discover enormous depth in shallow arguments.
Never believe what you learn at schools! Schools transform you into a thinking person but thank god schools often do not succeed. Consider yourself lucky if the school did not succeed, you will be amazed by the most outrageous claims.
Flat-brained people are constantly sidelined by non-flat-brained people, it is a world wide conspiracy.
Flat-brainers unit and fight for a flat earth! Shallow is the way to go!
Greetings, Conrad
Here's an exert from the book mentioned at the end.
The necessity of accounting for the Coriolis force by battleship gunners is discussed in Marion's mechanics book. The relevant paragraph is quoted here:
"During the naval engagement near the Falkland Islands which occurred early in World War I, the British gunners were surprised to see their accurately aimed salvos falling 100 yards to the left of the German ships. The designers of the sighting mechanisms were well aware of the Coriolis deflection and had carefully taken this into account, but they apparently were under the impression that all sea battles took place near 50 degrees N latitude and never near 50 degrees S latitude. The British shots, therefore, fell at a distance from the targets equal to twice the Coriolis deflection." (Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, Second Edition — by Jerry B. Marion, Academic Press, Inc., 1970, p.346 fn
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Quote from: conradelektro on April 28, 2016, 02:01:27 PM
Of course, the earth is flat for flat brained people.
If you are a mental flat-liner you see immediately that the earth is flat, just look around you.
It is good to do flat thinking, you will discover enormous depth in shallow arguments.
Never believe what you learn at schools! Schools transform you into a thinking person but thank god schools often do not succeed. Consider yourself lucky if the school did not succeed, you will be amazed by the most outrageous claims.
Flat-brained people are constantly sidelined by non-flat-brained people, it is a world wide conspiracy.
Flat-brainers unit and fight for a flat earth! Shallow is the way to go!
Greetings, Conrad
Your post is nothing but Spam! I'm currently at work and will get back to this topic when I get back home.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Your post is nothing but Spam! I'm currently at work and will get back to this topic when I get back home.
Gravock
You are right. I answer spam with spam!
The flat earth spam goes on and on since some time. Whatever one says, the flat earthers will came up with more nonsense just to keep the spam flowing. If a stupid argument is complicated enough, it will be difficult and time consuming to debunk it. That is the game.
The flat earth spam sells books and generates traffic for web sites and YouTube videos featuring this spam (generating advertisement revenues).
You are helping this spam-machine (and I looks like you are doing it naively and not on purpose).
Greetings, Conrad
The "flat Earth they never landed on the moon" spam machine. It's a tool used by our reptilian overlords to find susceptible people.
To who it may concern ! Truth is many realities and sometimes these realities change focus and what we see and measure is not what we observe it to be and right now there are space missions going on that aim to find out if reality is some kind of matrix computer simulation . This is no joke and to be honest flat earth research leads to some very important questions.
In quantum reality things can be observed in two places at the same time so what is over the horizon could also mean that the earth is round by the observer is closer to the object of observation than he thinks .... You wont hear this in flat earth research as they are happy to play party tricks only to get you thinking in the wrong way ! Some are religious nuts referring to a flat earth in there religious brain washing book but if your a logic seeker like me than the only 2 ways you can see over the horizon is either you are closer at the point of observation buy some quantum trick of space time or dark energy is bending light and is due to the lens of the instrument you are using.
There is no other way ! The other part is the question of a dome above us and this can only be true if we are all a dimensional reality to our self and for some a dome above them is there reality that some how can be shared with us who have a reality of open space .
It would not surprise me if all these 3 events of observation are as I have just mentioned But this does no confirm the earth is flat it conforms that it is as it is round .... This gives us an opportunity to bend or warp space time in a new way! And for them that are stuck under a dome trying to change there perception would mean we would have to completely change there dimension.
Look again ! But do it with say 20 different people all at the same time and than one after the other ! if we discover that they see it a different way than how we value reality will have to change... !
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do. How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?
Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft? Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed. The water does not form coin shaped disks.
God help us if there are folks that actually "think" like this.
Bill
There are a ton of flat-Earth videos on YouTube, many of them professionally done. There is a full-blown flat-Earth subculture on YouTube. You read some of their comments and it's kind of mind-blowing.
Nature has programmed diversity into all species with the DNA crap shoot and obviously there is a diversity of personality types and thought patterns. Who would have thought that some of them would gravitate to the pizza pie theory of the Earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSv-tq5GAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSv-tq5GAY)
Quote from: FatBird on April 28, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
Here's an exert from the book mentioned at the end.
The necessity of accounting for the Coriolis force by battleship gunners is discussed in Marion's mechanics book. The relevant paragraph is quoted here:
"During the naval engagement near the Falkland Islands which occurred early in World War I, the British gunners were surprised to see their accurately aimed salvos falling 100 yards to the left of the German ships. The designers of the sighting mechanisms were well aware of the Coriolis deflection and had carefully taken this into account, but they apparently were under the impression that all sea battles took place near 50 degrees N latitude and never near 50 degrees S latitude. The British shots, therefore, fell at a distance from the targets equal to twice the Coriolis deflection." (Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, Second Edition — by Jerry B. Marion, Academic Press, Inc., 1970, p.346 fn
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That is 100% total B.S.! There's no relative motion between two stationary people at different latitudes while each has a different rotational speed. A person with a higher rotational speed at one latitude doesn't move away or towards a person with a lower rotational speed at a different latitude (their positions will remain fixed relative to one another while the earth is supposedly rotating), thus there is no reason to offset the sighting mechanisms to compensate for a rotational speed difference in a rotating earth. If the air moves with the earth, then there's no net force to turn hurricanes. if it doesn't, then you're going to be knocked over by 1000 mph winds. Coriolis is bunk. Its attributed to all kinds of magic that either doesn't happen or is explained by something else. Being able to calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen. Coriolis effect is not accounted for while targeting things over long distances, because "the Coriolis effect" as you've been taught it, doesn't exist.
Here's an excellent theory on the "so-called" Coriolis effect: Coriolis effect proves flat earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4).
The earth rotates west to east in both hemispheres. If you're in the Northern hemisphere while I'm in the Southern hemisphere and you're moving faster than I am in an eastward direction, then I would need to aim more to my right in order to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction and you would need to aim more to your right to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction. If we changed hemispheres and I move faster than you in an eastward direction, then we would both be aiming more towards our right just as we did prior to changing hemispheres, thus having to offset the sighting mechanism in the opposite direction because we moved to a different hemisphere is nonsense, LOL!!!
Gravock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 01:00:52 AM
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do. How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?
October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gP5Gy7Q24) CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI). Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)
Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above
Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=925&q=satellite+images+in+space&oq=satellite+images+in+space&gs_l=img.3..0.630.2646.0.2760.25.13.0.9.9.0.153.1034.9j3.12.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..4.21.1059.5Dvp5Clq4_c#imgrc=1o_jOouCGMOn9M%3A) below of google's image search of satellite images)
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 07:06:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM)
Maybe you should read the only comment. I'll post it here:
"I agree this happens when spin is applied but the effect of having a non perfect pivot point can make the swing go off by a small angle. It suggests Earth might be spinning but isn't a complete proof, for the reasons about the pivot point not being perfect.
The problem is, no pendulum ever goes past 12 degrees or whatever it was you said, it is measurable up to 11.5 degrees? If that is the only angle and no greater I would say that is enough to be caused by imperfections in the pivot point.
The only way to prove that is by machining a million pendulums and choosing the most well machined one and seeing what angle it deviates, I bet it would just deviate 1 degree or 2 degrees.
Of course all down the longitude line of the Earth, pendulums will have varying degrees of altered angles, making it impossible to verify without a great deal of organization and money to machine all those perfect pendulums!
Which is why I said it needs to be zero friction. It could be made with strong magnets but then you have the force of the magnet pulling it at times and we're back to the original problem again of needing "that perfect magnet" with a 100% symmetrical polarity.
There's a reason why these debates go on in 2015 :p
Like I say to anyone though at least you did an experiment IRL which is more than thousands of other people here do. I won't make a pendulum for all the reasons I said above, it needs to be perfect, someone at another point on the "globe" needs to be verify it and so on. You can probably point to examples of that, but each one has to be perfect and even just introducing more people could distort the figures depending on how accurate each person's setup is.
Unrelated but here's what I want to know - the sun is often claimed to be 3,000 miles vertically up above in the flat Earth, but this makes a sunset impossible, meaning the flat Earthers aren't working it out, but the thing is it could be worked out. At 3,000 miles, at sunset, at the equator (6:20 PM "every day every day" :p) would be at an angle of 28 degrees from the observer (in a "noon" position) if the sun were 3,000 miles up.
It can be worked out I just don't know how. The sun's distance from you at this time above the flat Earth at 6:00 PM is 5603 miles away (along the ground) . So then how can the angle be worked out of a sun that is setting on the equator? In the heliocentric model it is just a straight 0 degrees, but on a flat Earth it has to be a certain angle at 6PM on the equator, what I am getting at is what angle is it when the top of the sun is just vanishing?
2,000 miles up is an angle of 19.6 degrees.
1,000 miles up is an angle of 10.1 degrees.
Right, but how the F can anyone figure out what height the sun would be on the flat Earth?! Is there really any way to work this out, how can you tell a calculator when the light has gone? That would be quite the abstract concept, to a calculator! Its something "observed" at 6PM erm...
I honestly think in the flat Earth model the sun must be like 300 miles up or 500 miles.
After that is worked out I think it would be possible to then estimate the size of the sun.
The figure of 3,000 miles was, I think, created as a joke, but there's an answer I just don't know how to do it."
Gravock
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 01:00:52 AM
Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft? Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed. The water does not form coin shaped disks.
Being able to observe or calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen. The earth isn't free falling like the zero g spacecraft, so why should the earth form into a sphere as a drop of water may do while in free fall. If a spherical earth was in free fall, then there would be no "effects" of "so-called" gravity.
Gravock
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboz0864j70) (video).
Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally. Airplanes would need to constantly dip their nose in order to maintain a specific altitude in a spherical model. On the flat earth model, there is no need to dip the nose of the airplane in order to maintain a specific altitude.
Gravock
Well isn't that interesting because a rocket goes straight up and within a few minutes is mostly flying horizontal to get into space. That supports the spherical Earth.
It's the old cliche about playing golf on the moon. If you could swing hard enough the golf ball would never come back down, instead it would go into orbit around the spherical moon.
Quote from: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 07:13:28 AM
October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gP5Gy7Q24) CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI). Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)
Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above
Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=925&q=satellite+images+in+space&oq=satellite+images+in+space&gs_l=img.3..0.630.2646.0.2760.25.13.0.9.9.0.153.1034.9j3.12.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..4.21.1059.5Dvp5Clq4_c#imgrc=1o_jOouCGMOn9M%3A) below of google's image search of satellite images)
Gravock
Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth? Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.
Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.
Bill
Quote from: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboz0864j70) (video).
Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally.
... thereby ploughing through a thousand miles or so of thick atmosphere at, eventually, 18,000mph. You haven't done your homework, GB. Satellites are only ever going to be visible if they are reflecting the sun, and they are often too small anyway.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 10:55:42 AM
Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth? Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.
Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.
Bill
The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95% the strength that it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth. I don't think so!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95% the strength that it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth. I don't think so!
Gravock
The ISS does fall... constantly...
Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required). The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity.
PW
Quote from: picowatt on April 29, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
The ISS does fall... constantly...
Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required). The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity.
PW
You believe in a lie. The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
You believe in a lie. The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!
Gravock
Let's believe for a moment that NASA and whoever else lies about a flat earth. Let's assume for a moment that earth is flat:
What can you do better than NASA and all other scientists who contribute to building space craft because you know that earth is flat? Can you do better physisc? Can you build better rockets? Can you come up with a better cosmology?
What are the consequences for your daily life because earth is flat?
To believe in a flat earth must have advantages over beleiving in a spherical earth, otherwise it serves no purpose:
What are the advantages? How is life better for a flat earther? What can a flat earther do better? Can a flat earther calculate the orbits of the planets in a novel and preciser way?
Greetings, Conrad
Below is an illustration of an experiment that would determine whether Earth is flat or curved beyond all reasonable doubt, without interference from effects such as atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction).
Description of the Experiment:
Two parallel pipes (one above the other and touching).
One pipe is half-filled with water and serves as a level for the other pipe, which rides on top of it (touching) and is "filled" with vacuum. Periodic adjustable supports allow for exact leveling of the two pipe combo, on any non-hilly terrain.
The laser beam inside the vacuum pipe is compared to the water level in the water pipe below.
A 400m long pipe is enough. (or ¼ mile)
Formula for the difference in the length of the orange and violet ruler on a curved Earth:
Δh = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r
where:
Δh: the drop-off of the curved water surface compared to a straight laser line.
r: mean radius of the Earth,
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)
LEGEND:
- All vertical rulers are referenced to the water level in the half-filled pipe.
- The orange rulers are of equal length.
- The violet ruler measures the result of the experiment. On curved Earth it will be longer than the orange rulers.
- The green triangles are the adjustable supports for the pipes.
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?
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Verpies, that's a great experiment to do because it is totally doable by a bunch of Flat-Earthers at their next pizza pie and pancake convention. The material costs are not that great at all, and it would not be too hard to cordon off a 400 m stretch in a big hotel parking lot. Talk about spoiling the party.
It reminds me of this little factoid that dates back to the 1930s:
The top of the Golden Gate Bridge is almost two inches wider at the top than the base because of the curvature of the Earth!
http://datagenetics.com/blog/june32012/index.html (http://datagenetics.com/blog/june32012/index.html)
Here we are 80 years later and 20+ years into the Information Age and some people have regressed all the way back to the 16th century. The ironic thing is for sure there are many new converts to the "cause" because they accessed the "information" on their Buck Rogers magic data terminals.
MileHigh
Quote from: FarmHand
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?
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Aye, very good question! Or the eclipses too.
Falling victim to the Flat Earth PsyOp seems to
be the present fad.
I like the flat earth current theme happening for one reason and one reason only... It is getting people to "Question Everything" and come to their own truth instead of what has been programmed in to us. Because all "theory" is not cast in stone, it changes all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVSe8JZ_eag
An open letter to Neal Degrasse Tyson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBVCmC0ACM
Quote from: SeaMonkey on April 29, 2016, 05:40:02 PM
Aye, very good question! Or the eclipses too.
Falling victim to the Flat Earth PsyOp seems to
be the present fad.
Can you please tell these deluded flat earth folks what part of a ship it is that you see first when it appears on the horizon heading toward you? Can they guess why that is? God help us.
Thank you,
Bill
Well its a bit like the idiots that think man never went to the moon as they only watch the NASA home made one hahah But there is a very important question as to why you can see up to 200 miles from the flat ... Now why is that ? Its something else and nothing to do with a dumb flat earth or is it ? hahahahah Well someone has to prove it !
Quote from: Farmhand on April 29, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?
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I already provided a possible explanation in reply #17, Coriolis effect proves flat earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4). Do you guys even look at the references posted?
Gravock
Quote from: Here2njoy on April 29, 2016, 05:49:09 PM
I like the flat earth current theme happening for one reason and one reason only... It is getting people to "Question Everything" and come to their own truth instead of what has been programmed in to us. Because all "theory" is not cast in stone, it changes all the time.
Exactly! People aren't doing any critical thinking for themselves. They can't think for themselves and don't have a mind of their own. They just accept in blind faith what they're being told by the authorities.
Gravock
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
Can you please tell these deluded flat earth folks what part of a ship it is that you see first when it appears on the horizon heading toward you? Can they guess why that is? God help us.
Thank you,
Bill
....when you zoom in with a camera, you can see the entire ship and not just the mast of the ship. This was posted earlier in the thread.
Gravock
Quote from: conradelektro on April 29, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Let's believe for a moment that NASA and whoever else lies about a flat earth. Let's assume for a moment that earth is flat:
What can you do better than NASA and all other scientists who contribute to building space craft because you know that earth is flat? Can you do better physisc? Can you build better rockets? Can you come up with a better cosmology?
What are the consequences for your daily life because earth is flat?
To believe in a flat earth must have advantages over beleiving in a spherical earth, otherwise it serves no purpose:
What are the advantages? How is life better for a flat earther? What can a flat earther do better? Can a flat earther calculate the orbits of the planets in a novel and preciser way?
Greetings, Conrad
The earth being flat would discredit the TPTB and they would lose all control over the people. The people would be totally outraged and realize how they are a slave to this system of things. A flat earth with a glass-like dome is proof of a creator. A spherical earth where life happened by random chance in a vast universe is in a way a false religion designed to deceive the entire world and to turn mankind away from their creator.
Gravock
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Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 10:48:57 AM
....when you zoom in with a camera, you can see the entire ship and not just the mast of the ship. This was posted earlier in the thread.
Gravock
Totally not true! I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset. Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?
Bill
Earth's atmosphere is a great convex lens having many density gradients.
It is wrong to assume that light rays travel straight through it without refraction - especially across great distances.
Because of this, the photos of e.g: distant islands, that should be obscured by the horizon cannot be taken at their face value. Basically you cannot trust your eyes with any distant observations.
Did you read the article on atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction)?
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
Totally not true! I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset. Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?
Bill
380 feet of missing curvature (image below). Water finds it's own level, so in a spherical earth model, the water would need to bend to the curvature of the earth in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches. In order for you to be correct, you will need to prove that water doesn't find it's own level!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 11:39:49 AM
380 feet of missing curvature (image below). Water finds it's own level, so in a spherical earth model, the water would need to bend to the curvature of the earth in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches. In order for you to be correct, you will need to prove that water doesn't find it's own level!
Gravock
But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point. I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel. This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim. That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.
This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.
Bill
So now we know what it is all about. Thee is a big LED lamp for the North Star at the top of the dome and it is all set up by the great big sky man-thing. Where is Slim Pickens when you need him? How will you show you adore him and serve him? Hosts, ganga, spinning wheels, or perhaps chopping people's heads off? So many choices.
Quote from: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 01:13:06 PM
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!
* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).
Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?
Gravock
More evidence supporting a dome flat earth.
Here's an experiment using a glass dome bow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOtmQ2njNQ)l, with a lighter to simulate the sun, and then footage of the sun on the dome replicating the exact same effects on the glass bowl. The weakness of this experiment is the size of the bowl in comparison to the lighter, the lighter is too bright compared to the sun, never-the-less we see perfect mimicking of this sun-dome-reflection.
At the 22 minute mark it's shown how this isn't a rare phenomenon, but happens every day. It has to do with the location of the observer and the sun's movement / location at the time of the reflection, as is shown with the glass bowl experiment, and not ice particles.
Gravock
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point. I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel. This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim. That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.
This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.
Bill
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull. This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself. The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it. Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.
In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth. However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)" Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull. This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself. The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it. Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.
In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth. However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)" Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.
Gravock
I give up. I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's. The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it. Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills. Now...not so much.
I am done. You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.
Bill
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth. However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)" Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.
Gravock
But you are defeated by the comments from David Ridlin in your Toronto YouTube clip:
+GARY IS RIGHT! - "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "
You are correct! But that has nothing to do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now- https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg) but you keep ignoring.
The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles. And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective. But those are contradictory arguments. If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth. And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective. Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.
+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon? Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"
No. Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller. It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects. Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg) Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects. For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg) But there is no physical change in position with magnification.
If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
I give up. I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's. The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it. Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills. Now...not so much.
I am done. You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.
Bill
Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth. It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived. Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation. The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.
Gravock
David Ridlin was also kind enough to clear up the "Eight inches per mile-squared" nonsense. Some geometry for flat Earthers.
Quote from: Pirate88179
Totally not true! I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset. Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?
Aye, any sailor who's stood Bridge Lookout
Watch will vouch for that. It is even easier
at night. The first thing seen on distant approaching
ships on clear nights are the topmast running lights,
then as distance decreases the lower running lights
become visible.
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 02:09:41 PM
Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth. It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived. Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation. The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.
Gravock
I refuse to go to The Church of the Zombie Pod People.
Are you sure its 8 inch every mile ? and if its refraction why does the object not look curved like a rainbow ? Is it not right to say the horizon is both flat and curved as that fits with the quantum mechanics , a kind of quantised duality. For a second it looks flat than it looks curved than its looks flat haha .. The fact is you can not prove anything unless you dig a hole through it.
Any other observation can be argued till the cows come home . Dont except anything unless you have permitted your mind to to consider that reality it self is on to the individual of ones own perspective ! The point is that it is more probable that the earth is flat and curved at close to the same time due to the conservation laws that permit a two dimensional universe to exist next to a three dimensional universe.
Remember a two dimensional mind would only see a flat earth ! This concludes that all flat earth people are flat hahahahahah I new these shadow people were real ahahah
Quote from: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 02:08:33 PM
But you are defeated by the comments from David Ridlin in your Toronto YouTube clip:
+GARY IS RIGHT! - "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "
You are correct! But that has nothing to do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now- https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg) but you keep ignoring.
The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles. And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective. But those are contradictory arguments. If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth. And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective. Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.
+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon? Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"
No. Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller. It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects. Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg) Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects. For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg) But there is no physical change in position with magnification.
If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.
There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level. The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth. Try again!
Gravock
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth. It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully. So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 03:00:03 PM
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth. It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully. So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?
Bill
You looked out of the aircraft through a thick window, which skewed your perspective on the true reality of things. And you talk about being ignorant of general science principals, lol. Here's an amateur rocket launch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM), which uses a non-fish-eye lens, and reaches an amazing height of 120,000 feet showing the earth is flat as a pancake!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 02:59:07 PM
There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level. The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth. Try again!
Gravock
Look at the diagram in post #54 and look at the pictures in post #52. I have seen the image of the Toronto skyline sunken below the horizon myself. So either the Earth is curved or the sky man-thing likes to play jokes on you and makes temporary giant sinkholes for his amusement.
You are clearly on the side of the lunatic fringe when it comes to this subject.
Former NAZI, Wernher von Braun, head of rocket program has Psalm 19:1 on his tombstone. The firmament is in reference to the dome.
Psalm 19:1King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Gravock
Quote from: verpies on April 29, 2016, 02:45:02 PM
Below is an illustration of an experiment that would determine whether Earth is flat or curved beyond all reasonable doubt, without interference from effects such as atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction).
Description of the Experiment:
Two parallel pipes (one above the other and touching).
One pipe is half-filled with water and serves as a level for the other pipe, which rides on top of it (touching) and is "filled" with vacuum. Periodic adjustable supports allow for exact leveling of the two pipe combo, on any non-hilly terrain.
The laser beam inside the vacuum pipe is compared to the water level in the water pipe below.
A 400m long pipe is enough. (or ¼ mile)
Formula for the difference in the length of the orange and violet ruler on a curved Earth:
Δh = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r
where:
Δh: the drop-off of the curved water surface compared to a straight laser line.
r: mean radius of the Earth,
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)
LEGEND:
- All vertical rulers are referenced to the water level in the half-filled pipe.
- The orange rulers are of equal length.
- The violet ruler measures the result of the experiment. On curved Earth it will be longer than the orange rulers.
- The green triangles are the adjustable supports for the pipes.
Yes, and there's a well known experiment that has already been done which proves the earth isn't rotating, which is the Michelson–Morley experiment! Scientist's admit the Earth is the center of the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsnTHXOPKC4) at 14 minutes 12 seconds to around 20 min in the video.
Gravock
Von Braun was not a NAZI. You need to research stuff before posting. This has been looked into many, many years ago and proven false...yet, since you didn't know about that, you post this crap. You need to read the FBI and CIA files on him and learn something. Also, research Operation Paperclip.
Making this claim is the same as claiming that those poor bastards performing slave labor in the NAZI underground munitions works were also NAZI sympathizers as well.
Did he do what the NAZI guys told him to do? Yes, and so would you. I have like 5 books on him here on my shelves and none of them support your nasty claim for this intelligent man.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Von Braun was not a NAZI. You need to research stuff before posting. This has been looked into many, many years ago and proven false...yet, since you didn't know about that, you post this crap. You need to read the FBI and CIA files on him and learn something. Also, research Operation Paperclip.
Making this claim is the same as claiming that those poor bastards performing slave labor in the NAZI underground munitions works were also NAZI sympathizers as well.
Did he do what the NAZI guys told him to do? Yes, and so would you. I have like 5 books on him here on my shelves and none of them support your nasty claim for this intelligent man.
Bill
All order followers are bad people! Who is more at fault, the order giver or the order follower? The order giver says, "I didn't blow them kids up", and the order follower says, "I'm not responsible, I was only following orders". The order follower is more at fault, because it is he/she who manifested it into physical reality and not the order giver.
Gravock
You glossed over a big difference there.
"You need to do as I say or you will be shot!"
Those poor bastards in the underground munition works were not following orders as much as they were trying to stay alive. You can read all about this as much research has been done and all of it was published.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
You glossed over a big difference there.
"You need to do as I say or you will be shot!"
Those poor bastards in the underground munition works were not following orders as much as they were trying to stay alive. You can read all about this as much research has been done and all of it was published.
Bill
No, I did not gloss over a big difference. I would not do anything that is against my own consciousness and beliefs. You do not compromise your core values and beliefs for another person by causing harm to another, period. You're not exercising your own consciousness by blindly following orders. We are individuals! We are not borg or part of a collective mind.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
No, I did not gloss over a big difference. I would not do anything that is against my own consciousness and beliefs. You do not compromise your core values and beliefs for another person by causing harm to another, period. You're not exercising your own consciousness by blindly following orders. We are individuals! We are not borg or part of a collective mind.
Gravock
Yes you did gloss over it. It is very easy to type that you would never compromise your principles but, let's just think about how you might react with a Lugar in your ear....or a family member of yours...you might just build that rocket motor after all.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 06:11:21 PM
Yes you did gloss over it. It is very easy to type that you would never compromise your principles but, let's just think about how you might react with a Lugar in your ear....or a family member of yours...you might just build that rocket motor after all.
Bill
Nope, you're wrong!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 06:27:34 PM
Nope, you're wrong!
Gravock
Whatever Dude. I am sure everyone here reading this believes you.
Bill
Quote from: DR.WHO on April 30, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Are you sure its 8 inch every mile ?
No, the obscuration height on a spherical Earth is 8 inches
at 1 mile, not 8 inches
per mile.
For example, the obscuration height at 2 miles is 32 inches (not 16 inches).
...and at 10 miles the obscuration height is 800 inches (not 80 inches).
The full formula for the the obscuration height (h) on a spherical Earth is:
h = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r
where:
r: mean radius of the Earth (6371km or 3959miles),
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)
P.S.
All of that photographic evidence of the objects beyond the horizon cannot be trusted because the atmosphere distorts and ducts light rays.
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth...
Yes, the water follows the mean surface of the Earth. Water must curve on a spherical Earth.
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 11:39:49 AM
380 feet of missing curvature (image below).
How do you propose to rigorously detect this curvature (or lack of it) without vacuum ?
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 04:14:02 PM
Yes, and there's a well known experiment that has already been done which proves the earth isn't rotating, which is the Michelson–Morley experiment!
What about the Foucault pendulums ?
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
Here's an amateur rocket launch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM), which uses a non-fish-eye lens, and reaches an amazing height of 120,000 feet showing the earth is flat as a pancake!
Actually, the down-looking GoPro camera on that rocket had a fish-eye lens. The sideways looking FlipHD camera - did not.
Full unedited videos from both cameras are
here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDqoxMUroA&feature=youtu.be&hd=1).
Quote from: verpies on April 30, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
What about the Foucault pendulums ?
There are many videos of the midnight arctic sun, so I'm sure that they are not fakes and none of them agree with the globe model. Here's an excellent video on the midnight sun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Y7DrOwfE0) that can be used as a visual aid if you have a hard time visualizing this.
If the earth were a globe rotating on a tilted axis as we have been taught, then from inside of the arctic circle near the outer edge where the sun is visible 24 hours a day in the summer time we should see the suns path as a clockwise rotating oval, not the up and down that is observed.
The sun supposedly travels east to west across the sky because of the direction of the earth's rotation. At night in the arctic circle we would be moving in the opposite direction in relation to the sun, so if we could see the sun at night (which we can from inside the arctic circle) then the sun would appear to be traveling the sky from west to east.
So what we should see if the earth were a globe is the sun traveling from east to west then slowing and lowering and eventually changing direction to form an oval. This is not what we see. So the globe is debunked.
Gravock
If the earth were a globe aprox. 25,000 miles in circumference, a plane traveling at 300 mph in a straight forward east west trajectory at the equator would be gaining altitude at a rate of 8" x 300m x 300m = 6000 ft. an hour = 1.14 miles an hour = 100 ft. a minute = 1.67 ft. per second.
This rate would increase exponentially the further north or south you get away from the equator due to the smaller circumference of the globe earth near the poles when traveling in a strictly east to west direction. So unless pilots are constantly adjusting for curvature and pointing the nose slightly downward in order to compensate (which they aren't because the earth is flat) they would be constantly gaining altitude.
If we were on a spinning globe then people in north America should be being pulled slightly southward (northward in Australia) by the centrifugal force which would be pulling us outward at a 90 degree angle from the axis of rotation which from our perspective would be slightly south. We would always be a little off balance.
This force should be easily detected and measured if it existed but it isn't and it hasn't because it doesn't exist.
Lunar eclipses sometimes happen when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky, this proves that it is not the earth's shadow causing the eclipses.
If we were on a spinning ball orbiting the sun that is orbiting the galactic center that is traveling through space at high speed, (which is not a uniform motion) we would be constantly changing direction, speeding up and slowing down and it would be noticeable.
Gravock
Gravock,
Your analysis of aviation was "a try" but not a very
convincing one. You really should take up the art
of flying. Even over-fly Antarctica for a first hand
look. Or do Flat-Earthers not engage in such activities
which might pose hazard to their "beliefs?"
Its a hard fact but a true one ! All the videos I have been viewing as re rockets space planes ect ect ect all offer round and straight line horizons and some even have a concave view of the horizon .
The point is we want a round world and we plan for that and build to that and even fly around the world but we are in the 3rd dimensional plane of vision and that can not by its self conclude the world to be round when a 2 dimensional view exists ...
Its impossible to say that a two dimensional reality is not real when the building bock for the 3rd dimensional depends on it !
Observations of optical planes are obviously real so you truly need to look at the earth with out a space suite hahahahahahahha wow I dont think they have done that one hahahahahahah may be dog one might be the forst one to give it a go hahahah
Its is flat and it is round ! One anti mater one mater ! FACT NOT FICTION !
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
There are many videos of the midnight arctic sun, so I'm sure that they are not fakes and none of them agree with the globe model. Here's an excellent video on the midnight sun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Y7DrOwfE0) that can be used as a visual aid if you have a hard time visualizing this.
If the earth were a globe rotating on a tilted axis as we have been taught, then from inside of the arctic circle near the outer edge where the sun is visible 24 hours a day in the summer time we should see the suns path as a clockwise rotating oval, not the up and down that is observed.
The sun supposedly travels east to west across the sky because of the direction of the earth's rotation. At night in the arctic circle we would be moving in the opposite direction in relation to the sun, so if we could see the sun at night (which we can from inside the arctic circle) then the sun would appear to be traveling the sky from west to east.
So what we should see if the earth were a globe is the sun traveling from east to west then slowing and lowering and eventually changing direction to form an oval. This is not what we see. So the globe is debunked.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 09:34:48 PM
If the earth were a globe aprox. 25,000 miles in circumference, a plane traveling at 300 mph in a straight forward east west trajectory at the equator would be gaining altitude at a rate of 8" x 300m x 300m = 6000 ft. an hour = 1.14 miles an hour = 100 ft. a minute = 1.67 ft. per second.
This rate would increase exponentially the further north or south you get away from the equator due to the smaller circumference of the globe earth near the poles when traveling in a strictly east to west direction. So unless pilots are constantly adjusting for curvature and pointing the nose slightly downward in order to compensate (which they aren't because the earth is flat) they would be constantly gaining altitude.
If we were on a spinning globe then people in north America should be being pulled slightly southward (northward in Australia) by the centrifugal force which would be pulling us outward at a 90 degree angle from the axis of rotation which from our perspective would be slightly south. We would always be a little off balance.
This force should be easily detected and measured if it existed but it isn't and it hasn't because it doesn't exist.
Lunar eclipses sometimes happen when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky, this proves that it is not the earth's shadow causing the eclipses.
If we were on a spinning ball orbiting the sun that is orbiting the galactic center that is traveling through space at high speed, (which is not a uniform motion) we would be constantly changing direction, speeding up and slowing down and it would be noticeable.
Gravock
It's kind of fun to toy with people like you, just to see what erroneous bullshit you come up with next, and watch how you ignore things like the Foucault pendulum experiment, or the Coriolis effect, or the many NASA space missions and those of other countries, the photographs from space, the thousands of computerized telescopes that depend on the _reality_ of the globular planet to locate their target planets and stars, the thousands of satellites launched into orbit by China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Japan, USA, even North Korea .... Watching you claim that all that absolutely consistent data is simply faked is hilarious. Come on, give us some more "proofs" of your silly claims, show us how absolutely ignorant you actually are. Make some more huge bloopers like you've made in the posts I've quoted-- they are truly hilarious.
Quote from: DR.WHO on April 30, 2016, 10:54:53 PM
Its a hard fact but a true one ! All the videos I have been viewing as re rockets space planes ect ect ect all offer round and straight line horizons and some even have a concave view of the horizon .
The point is we want a round world and we plan for that and build to that and even fly around the world but we are in the 3rd dimensional plane of vision and that can not by its self conclude the world to be round when a 2 dimensional view exists ...
Its impossible to say that a two dimensional reality is not real when the building bock for the 3rd dimensional depends on it !
Observations of optical planes are obviously real so you truly need to look at the earth with out a space suite hahahahahahahha wow I dont think they have done that one hahahahahahah may be dog one might be the forst one to give it a go hahahah
Its is flat and it is round ! One anti mater one mater ! FACT NOT FICTION !
Do you really think you are fooling anyone with your "new" identity?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
It's kind of fun to toy with people like you, just to see what erroneous bullshit you come up with next, and watch how you ignore things like the Foucault pendulum experiment, or the Coriolis effect, or the many NASA space missions and those of other countries, the photographs from space, the thousands of computerized telescopes that depend on the _reality_ of the globular planet to locate their target planets and stars, the thousands of satellites launched into orbit by China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Japan, USA, even North Korea .... Watching you claim that all that absolutely consistent data is simply faked is hilarious. Come on, give us some more "proofs" of your silly claims, show us how absolutely ignorant you actually are. Make some more huge bloopers like you've made in the posts I've quoted-- they are truly hilarious.
If the Coriolis effect is real, then it would be impossible for a plane to land on a moving runway. The Flat Earth Documentary - 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0) covers everything you mentioned above, including a simulation of what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway due to the so-called Coriolis effect.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2016, 11:04:22 PM
Do you really think you are fooling anyone with your "new" identity?
Ask Stephan if the IP addresses match! They won't match, because I haven't assumed a new identity. I only have one username on this forum.
Gravock
Quote from: Gravock
...what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway...
Navy Aviation Pilots do this routinely. Very short moving runways
at that.
Even without moving runways landing a commerical jetliner can
be very challenging:
Spectacular cross-wind approaches and landings
More spectacular cross-wind landingsFortunately, military and airline pilots are versatile and talented.
Navy Air Ops during rough seas.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 01:44:21 AM
Navy Aviation Pilots do this routinely. Very short moving runways
at that.
Even without moving runways landing a commerical jetliner can
be very challenging:
Spectacular cross-wind approaches and landings
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdxU-0W-RE)
More spectacular cross-wind landings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvLuUJFHYk)
Fortunately, military and airline pilots are versatile and talented.
Navy Air Ops during rough seas. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HTXBTkcpg)
Obviously you didn't watch the video. A runway that is moving parallel with the plane is not the same as a runway that is moving and changing it's direction relative to the plane, due to the Coriolis effect, as the plane approaches it. Big difference! In other words, the Coriolis effect as you know it is fictitious and not real, thus the successful landings, thus a flat earth. Thank You for proving the flat earth!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 11:21:31 PM
If the Coriolis effect is real, then it would be impossible for a plane to land on a moving runway. The Flat Earth Documentary - 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0) covers everything you mentioned above, including a simulation of what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway due to the so-called Coriolis effect.
Gravock
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Obviously you didn't watch the video. A runway that is moving parallel with the plane is not the same as a runway that is moving and changing it's direction relative to the plane, due to the Coriolis effect, as the plane approaches it. Big difference! In other words, the Coriolis effect as you know it is fictitious and not real, thus the successful landings, thus a flat earth. Thank You for proving the flat earth!
Thank you for proving once again how idiotic your claims are !
Oh... I forgot to give you your ROFL !!! If you knew anything about aviation you'd know how silly your claims are.
Of course airplanes are affected by the Coriolis effect, but the magnitude of this effect is so small on the scale of aircraft landing/takeoff operations that it is virtually indetectable. Even the slightest crosswind component affects the aircraft more than the Coriolis effect. Try looking up artillery aiming, if you want an example where the CE affects practical outcomes and must be corrected for.
Now look up the Foucault pendulum experiment and explain why the big ones in the Deutches Museum in Munchen, in Paris, at the University of Chicago and elsewhere work as they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA)
Oh... I forgot... they are all fakes, aren't they.
Come on, tell us another one!
Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 11:24:18 PM
Ask Stephan if the IP addresses match! They won't match, because I haven't assumed a new identity. I only have one username on this forum.
Gravock
That post wasn't addressed to you. Not everything is about you, actually.
DR.WHO = ATOMMIX , very obviously.
And it doesn't matter one bit whether the IP addresses are different or not. Can you spell "proxies" ? Anonymizers?
I don't know what to say about this video below except that it is quite humorous and probably not far from the truth.
I think this video probably expresses what many people think. For best effect please watch it in it's entirety. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA
Another video with some interesting info from about 2:30 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE
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Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 04:50:31 AM
Thank you for proving once again how idiotic your claims are !
Oh... I forgot to give you your ROFL !!! If you knew anything about aviation you'd know how silly your claims are.
Of course airplanes are affected by the Coriolis effect, but the magnitude of this effect is so small on the scale of aircraft landing/takeoff operations that it is virtually indetectable. Even the slightest crosswind component affects the aircraft more than the Coriolis effect. Try looking up artillery aiming, if you want an example where the CE affects practical outcomes and must be corrected for.
Now look up the Foucault pendulum experiment and explain why the big ones in the Deutches Museum in Munchen, in Paris, at the University of Chicago and elsewhere work as they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA)
Oh... I forgot... they are all fakes, aren't they.
Come on, tell us another one!
The Foucalt's Pendulum Debunked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG_SAPwaZg)! The Foucalt's pendulum makes more sense on a flat earth than a rotating earth. Below is a quote by don Quixote on the youtube comments:
"Did you read Umberto Eco: Foucault pendulum? Even he appears to have problems with this: for one, the pendulum is not suspended freely, only as free as high precision engineering allows for; secondly, as you noted,
those pendulums are augmented with magnetic, or electro-magnetic devices to maintain their oscillations. Those issues can obviously affect the behaviour we see, therefore falsify/corrupt data. Bim (http://flatearthtruth.freeforums.net/thread/152/foucault-pendulum) found out that when they put a Foucault pendulum in Antarctica they found it rotating against the expected direction and had to tweak it twice (few days of solid work) to make it match the predicated model. I believe they mess with the balance actually. Indeed the star trail! I am tempted to look at the electro-magnetic field as per the toroid model controlling the firmament. or celestial bodies above, but other less known phenomena can be at work here for sure. Coriolis, as a certain predilection in the clouds movement, is not otherwise present in the ballistic trajectory as far as my experience attests - I have a vid on my channel called the rocket man. I have subbed to you for a while now, love your graphics and obvious knowledge and intelligence and you are a fantastic communicator. Well done!"
A quote by, Dubno Val:
"yes from what i understand, the actual experiment is likely promoted and tailored to show what they need it to show. my point is, even that being said, the explanation they give us disproves itself. whether the experiment actually works or not, it doe NOT prove a globe and works better on the flat earth model."
Gravock
The well known Michelson-Morley experiment clearly shows no rotation of the earth! I posted this earlier and there has been no attempts to refute it.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
those pendulums are augmented with magnetic, or electro-magnetic devices to maintain their oscillations.
Gravock
this is absolutely false
are you very very sane ?
Quote from: tagor on May 01, 2016, 06:14:47 AM
this is absolutely false
are you very very sane ?
If not, then we have a perpetual motion machine! What's being used to maintain it's oscillations? Explanations of the mechanics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#Explanation_of_mechanics) (snapshot below).
Gravock
1851 Paris Observatory 'proof of rotation'
The pendulum's swing rotated clockwise 11° per hour, making a full circle in 32.7 hours.
South Pole Foucault Pendulum – Winter, 2001
Principal Investigators: Mike Town, Ph.D. candidate, University of Washington; John Bird, Ph.D., FBIS, P.Eng, York University; R. Allan Baker, Sonoma State University
A Foucault Pendulum at the South Pole was determined to have a period of 24 hours, ± 50 minutes.
"Standing on the bottom of the world the Earth spins backward relative to the direction it spins in the Northern Hemisphere. Our first attempt with the pendulum showed the Earth spinning backward from what was expected. We didn't notice this at first because we're all from the Northern Hemisphere and are accustomed to the earth spinning in an anticlockwise direction. We then realized that from our frame of reference the earth should be spinning clockwise so we had to modify the pendulum. At an altitude of 11,000+ feet we think a bit more slowly.
The air resistance against this weight caused the pendulum itself to rotate. This gave us spurious results for our first attempt. Later we fashioned the weight so that it was hanging horizontally to the plane of the floor and we got results consistent with what was expected. Our second attempt showed the earth rotating in the proper direction but at an angular velocity twice what is expected (i.e., 12 hour days instead of 24). Our last attempt showed that the earth spins on its axis once every 24 hours, as expected.
It was difficult to make the pendulum swing in a plane instead of an ellipse. After several attempts with various techniques of holding the bob and dropping it we always got some kind of ellipse instead of a plane. This adds to our error because it is more difficult to locate and mark the pendulum arc's apex."
source: www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 06:21:03 AM
If not, then we have a perpetual motion machine! What's being used to maintain it's oscillations? Explanations of the mechanics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#Explanation_of_mechanics) (snapshot below).
Gravock
has i have said months ago it is not PM but easy to move with your hand
Quote from: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 06:40:46 AM
source: www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html (http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html)
Gravock
this not a proof = this is inconclusive experiment
in paris the penduleum works as expected
Quote from: tagor on May 01, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
this not a proof = this is inconclusive experiment
in paris the penduleum works as expected
No, It didn't work as expected in the 1851 Paris observatory 'rotation' experiment. The experiment is promoted and tailored to show what they need it to show. The explanation they give us disproves itself.
Gravock
An animated explanation of "Airy's Failure" experiment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87M2i61N1cU)
An experiment known as "Airey's Failure" involves filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside. Usually telescopes must be slightly tilted to get the starlight down the axis of the tube supposedly due to "Earth's speed around the sun." Airey discovered that actually the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so no change was necessary. This demonstrated that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around; if it was the telescope moving, he would have to change the angle.
Gravock
Quote from: Farmhand on May 01, 2016, 05:34:38 AM
I don't know what to say about this video below except that it is quite humorous and probably not far from the truth.
I think this video probably expresses what many people think. For best effect please watch it in it's entirety. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA)
Another video with some interesting info from about 2:30 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE)
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Aye, both reveal the true nature of the Flat Earth
Psychological Operation. It really is a "religious"
operation which is intended to pave the way for
the coming One World Religion of The Beast.
It was foretold that during the Apocalypse a great
effort to overcome Truth with the Lie would encompass
the World. Many would be deceived and forsake
their good sense to worship The Beast. It has begun
and it will get really crazy as it proceeds.
The Good News is that in the End the Truth will prevail.
In the meantime, as this Great Deception unfolds, the
vast majority will buy into it.
There are quite a number of videos coming out which
expose the source of the PsyOp and its purpose.
This is a good one which gets to the heart of it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXQIJ0qc94)
As the man said; There is no limit to human stupidity.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 03:48:33 PM
Aye, both reveal the true nature of the Flat Earth
Psychological Operation. It really is a "religious"
operation which is intended to pave the way for
the coming One World Religion of The Beast.
It was foretold that during the Apocalypse a great
effort to overcome Truth with the Lie would encompass
the World. Many would be deceived and forsake
their good sense to worship The Beast. It has begun
and it will get really crazy as it proceeds.
The Good News is that in the End the Truth will prevail.
In the meantime, as this Great Deception unfolds, the
vast majority will buy into it.
There are quite a number of videos coming out which
expose the source of the PsyOp and its purpose.
This is a good one which gets to the heart of it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXQIJ0qc94)
As the man said; There is no limit to human stupidity.
You inverted the truth! Do you believe in the ancient manuscripts (the bible and other supporting manuscripts) or not?
Gravock
When we are sincere in our quest for Truth
and call upon The Helper to provide discernment,
we are given the comprehension we seek.
It is an unfortunate Truth that historical manuscripts
and documents have been corrupted by those who
are under the influence of the Father of the Lie.
The Wisdom of Man is folly.
I am just flabbergasted that this conversation is even taking place. I have shown this topic to a few folks that just stare at me and shake their heads.
One of them asked..."Isn't there hospitals that can help these poor folks?"
It is a shame and a bad reflection on our education system.
Bill
Is the blind leading the blind ? Stick to just one observation and that is that when viewing an object that is not to be seen due to the curvature of the earth that we can it been seen but only by instrumental means ? The earth is round but sometimes we see it as flat ! This is not religion its an observation and is a fact ! But why and how is it so ?
to whom it may concern,
Don't pay it any mind. Let those who question...question. They will figure their TRUTH in time. When I see reflections refuse to form a straight line to the standing subject over 5 miles of standing water, when I see a 24/7 continuous picture of a spinning ball from a geosynchronous satellite, when I see a frozen lake have a bulge in the middle many miles long, when I see a complete overhaull of the space station because of temperature extremes, when I see tiny meteorites that come in during certain periods of the year effect even one of the many thousands of satellites in space, when I see a 93 million mile triangliation of the sun to earth that makes sense, then I might start thinking back to the ball earth that I used to believe in since kindergarten. Until then its 51 to 49% in favor of......
This video sums it up in most areas for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBVCmC0ACM
Yes Pirate, it is a bit difficult to understand how anyone could buy into a flat Earth. It seems a portion of the population will latch onto anything that is related to "conspiracy" no matter how far fetched it is. While I do see a lot of modern "science" to be wasteful and pointless/unnecessary, there is also a lot that is very useful.
I think some people must either forego common sense or had none to begin with.
A couple of reasoning questions one should ask oneself when considering the Flat Earth.
1. If the Earth is flat, then what is on the other side ? Are both sides populated or is the "underside" just craggy rocks or something ?
2. How thick is the supposed disk/cookie ?
3. How are volcano's explained ?
There are many more.
Basically it comes down to the fact that people can believe anything they want, they can say what they want if there is no moderation.
Personally I think that some people are so confused by all the deceptions in our world that they want everything to be "different". And I can't say I blame them for that.
I really believe that way too much public expense is wasted on "space programs" and "high science" when we cannot even manage the land properly here on Earth. Basic life sustaining skills are being lost and the solution seems to be to kill a whole bunch of people by wars and chaos.
I cannot be angry at Flat Earthers when our elected servants act like dictators and continuously steal from us while interfering in others peoples countries affairs and so forth.
Constant stress and worry breeds insanity.
Possibly a yearning for a simpler time brings the desire to go back to when everybody believed the Earth was flat.
The serious issues modern science is causing for the future are many.
In most countries on this planet the ability/opportunity for people to live a simple life is being removed and unless folks want to live on the streets in the cities or like an animal in the bush then we must involve ourselves with "evils" of the modern world. In most countries the land is all owned, mostly by the rich, huge tracts of land. And individuals must pay others for the right to live some place. Even if you own a "house" in the city or elsewhere we must go onto others properties routinely. Which is not the way for people to live.
Maybe if the Earth was flat we could get to the other side and live in peace. haha.
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This thread is so insane. There is a cult of "flat Earthers" on YouTube that must number in the thousands that post and are visible, and tens of thousands that don't post and are invisible. And as someone already mentioned, there is a pulp "crap and junk" industry feeding off of them and fattening up their bank accounts.
How about this one: A digital watch, a car, an odometer, and a sextant.
Take some sightings of some stars and record the information. Drive due south for 150 km. Then take more sightings of the same stars. Repeat as many times as you want.
You will get sextant measurements that are consistent with the world being a sphere. With a small amount of extra brainpower you can crunch your measurements and determine the circumference of the Earth.
Anybody watch Carl Sagan's "Cosmos?" He tells the story of how Eratosthenes did this very thing in the third century B.C.
And here we are in the 21st century and there are people that are 2400 years behind the times. The mind boggles.
Quote from: Miles Higher
This thread is so insane. There is a cult of "flat Earthers" on YouTube that must number in the thousands that post and are visible, and tens of thousands that don't post and are invisible. And as someone already mentioned, there is a pulp "crap and junk" industry feeding off of them and fattening up their bank accounts.
Convincing evidence that it is a well organized and
financed Psychological Operation. The tactics used
by the so-called disciples of the Flat Earth Religion
indicate that the present PSYOP was activated in unison
essentially world-wide with a cleverly concocted script.
It is but a preview of what is to come as the War on Truth
heats up.
The Love of Money is always one aspect of these exercises.
But there is more. Much more to come.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 02:17:43 PM
No, It didn't work as expected in the 1851 Paris observatory 'rotation' experiment.
Gravock
no you are very wrong
we are in 2016 !! not 1851
you can see it every day in paris ( i looked at it more than 1000 h )
this penduleum is working perfectly
you are in a very insane secte
Quote from: Tagor to Gravock
...you are in a very insane secte...
That is of course more than likely a truism.
Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."
This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been. Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 02:14:52 AM
That is of course more than likely a truism.
Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."
This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been. Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.
The ancient manuscripts support a domed flat earth, while the empirical evidence and observations support this. There are many inconsistencies and lack of empirical evidence in the spherical model. If it wasn't for NASA's fakery, lies, deceit, etc., then the flat earth would be much easier to accept as a truth.
The adversary took Jesus up to an exceedingly high mountain and showed him all of the kingdoms of the earth. The adversary offered Jesus all of the kingdoms if he bowed down and did an act of worship before him. How can all of the kingdoms of the earth be seen from an exceedingly high mountain if the earth is spherical? This can only be true in a flat earth model. Also, this shows that the adversary is ruling over all of the kingdoms, thus our governments don't have our best interest in mind and are out to deceive the masses through indoctrination, education, social media, etc., and this is where the spherical earth model has been taught from, which is from the adversary. The adversary is the god of this current system of things.
I work with a guy who was a former government employee. He was a map maker. He's totally convinced of the flat earth model and he isn't religious at all. It was him who got me to look at the evidence and not the internet. All of this PSYOP stuff makes it sound like you guys are panicking and trembling in fear of being overthrown. It's as if you guys have been taken by surprise and are scrambling to put a band aid on it in order for the great deception to continue. Here2njoy made some good points and they go un-refuted by you ballers. Also, the Michelson-Morley experiment, Michelson-Gale's experiment, Airy's failed experiment, Sagnac experiment, the Bedford Level experiment, etc., support a flat earth. You ballers have resorted to spam, inversion of the truth, and the PSYOP stuff to draw attention away from the facts, ROFLMAO.
Gravock
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 02:14:52 AM
That is of course more than likely a truism.
Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."
This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been. Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.
Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you. It's more like a nonsense positive feedback loop among gullible and unwise people with a feeding trough for those people that want to monetize that phenomenon. Like, hey, why not set up another "X-Files" style YouTube channel and make money off of your computer by generating content for the gullible masses? You can even turn your DVD burner into a license to print money with the "Living in the Snow Globe" series.
Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 05:01:51 AM
I work with a guy who was a former government employee. He was a map maker. He's totally convinced of the flat earth model and he isn't religious at all. It was him who got me to look at the evidence and not the internet. All of this PSYOP stuff makes it sound like you guys are panicking and trembling in fear of being overthrown. It's as if you guys have been taken by surprise and are scrambling to put a band aid on it in order for the great deception to continue. Here2njoy made some good points and they go un-refuted by you ballers. Also, the Michelson-Morley experiment, Michelson-Gale's experiment, Airy's failed experiment, Sagnac experiment, etc. support a flat earth. You ballers have resorted to spam, inversion of the truth, and the PSYOP stuff to draw attention away from the facts, ROFLMAO.
Gravock
It's the old cliche about the competing crackpots fighting amongst each other because they have conflicting theories about "The Reality."
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Why don't both of you take both pills at the same time?
Quote from: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 05:26:11 AM
It's the old cliche about the competing crackpots fighting amongst each other because they have conflicting theories about "The Reality."
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Why don't both of you take both pills at the same time?
More spam by you! You should be proud of yourself for such an achievement.
Now, to answer your question: It's because we know what it has done to you! It has made you both blind and deaf!
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 05:18:29 AM
Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you. It's more like a nonsense positive feedback loop among gullible and unwise people with a feeding trough for those people that want to monetize that phenomenon. Like, hey, why not set up another "X-Files" style YouTube channel and make money off of your computer by generating content for the gullible masses? You can even turn your DVD burner into a license to print money with the "Living in the Snow Globe" series.
Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.
Look at what the Pope has around his arm in the image below (rotate the image 90 degrees to the right). Isn't that a variation of the image you just posted? ROFLMAO! Is the pope and the masons flat earthers? Maybe the masons are behind the organized PYSOPS.
Isaiah 14:13 ►
For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the farthest sides of the north:
There may be a very tall mountain at the very center of the north pole, and that is why this place is the 33rd region (33 degree mason is the highest level), and why it is the most restricted airspace on the planet (along with the outer most edges of Antarctica). It got me thinking about how "Santa Claus" lives in the North Pole...about how all the people who want presents / gifts / material possessions in this world worship Lucifer...I then realized perhaps Santa Claus is an Anagram. If we re-arrange Santa Claus we get Satan Lucas. Come to find out Lucas in Latin AND English both mean's "bringer of light" .
http://baby-names.familyeducation.com/na...ning/lucas (http://baby-names.familyeducation.com/na...ning/lucas)
Satan's name itself according to wikipedia means "light bearer", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer)
So here we have Santa Claus re-arranged to Satan Lucas translating to Light bearer / Bringer of light....what are those odds?!?!
This is a matrix moment...
Please watch the video in it's entirety (link below)..and at the 1 minute 25 seconds all that you will ponder above and the images below, along with my previous post, will begin to carry weight.
Mount Sumeru - "The City Of The Gods" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7fC5nA8_I): A Magnetic Mountain in legends that was so powerful that it pulled the nails right out of explorer's boats! It was said this mountain reached so high that Polaris was it's top and the city itself shined like gold, in-so-much that the star you saw in the sky that was Polaris was actually the shining city, and that on top of this mountain you could see unto the ends of the earth.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 05:41:37 AM
More spam by you! You should be proud of yourself for such an achievement.
Now, to answer your question: It's because we know what it has done to you! It has made you both blind and deaf!
Gravock
Another false statement by you! I gave you some solid technical arguments and you were due for some satire.
Believe whatever silliness you want to believe, it doesn't affect me.
Quote from: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 05:18:29 AM
Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.
The willfully ignorant, such as yourself, needs to clean their internal filters... because 'nothing' is going in, and 'nothing' is coming out.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 06:49:05 AM
The willfully ignorant, such as yourself, needs to clean their internal filters... because 'nothing' is going in, and 'nothing' is coming out.
Gravock
What are the consequences of a flat earth?
All space flights (satellites, moon landing, probes flying to all planets in our solar system) did not happen?
Exploring space is not necessary because it is just a dome over a flat earth?
What I never hear from flat earthers are conclusions. Once you believe in a flat earth you have to draw conclusions, you have to come up with a new science. Just believing in a flat earth is nonsense.
So, what are the conclusions and what are the consequences for space travel and science in general?
I asked that before in this forum, but nobody seems to be interested.
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482424/#msg482424
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on May 02, 2016, 07:05:04 AM
All space flights (satellites, moon landing, probes flying to all planets in our solar system) did not happen?
I think that even the proponents of flat Earth don't deny the existence of satellites, below the Van Allen belt altitude, because of an alternate explanation of the mechanism that keeps them up there ...a Lorentz like force or something like that.
Moon landings and interplanetary probes are a different story, of course.
P.S.
And in a Matrix scenario, anything is possible ...even "turtles all the way down".
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 06:20:03 AM
Mount Sumeru - "The City Of The Gods" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7fC5nA8_I): A Magnetic Mountain in legends that was so powerful that it pulled the nails right out of explorer's boats! It was said this mountain reached so high that Polaris was it's top and the city itself shined like gold, in-so-much that the star you saw in the sky that was Polaris was actually the shining city, and that on top of this mountain you could see unto the ends of the earth.
Gravock
So, you are now aware of "the ORDERS that run the world -- the REAL conspirators behind the conspiracies....". Fine, do you fight these ORDERS or are you an ardent follower?
Are you just believing in these ORDERS or are you actually doing something for or against them?
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2016, 07:24:31 AM
I think that even the proponents of flat Earth don't deny the existence of satellites, below the Van Allen belt altitude, because of an alternate explanation of the mechanism that keeps them up there ...a Lorentz like force or something like that.
Prior to GPS we had a number of electronic navigation systems: Decca, Loran, Omega, Transit. Proof GPS Satellites Do Not Exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf_bNnohDc)!
Gravock
Quote from: conradelektro on May 02, 2016, 12:00:25 PM
So, you are now aware of "the ORDERS that run the world -- the REAL conspirators behind the conspiracies....". Fine, do you fight these ORDERS or are you an ardent follower?
Are you just believing in these ORDERS or are you actually doing something for or against them?
Greetings, Conrad
Yes, we're fighting these ORDERS by exposing them for what they are.
Ephesians 5:11
And have nothing to do with the unfruitful actions that darkness produces. Instead, expose them for what they are.
Gravock
Quote from: Miles Higher
Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you.
That, unfortunately for the Good People of Planet
Earth, is how things have always been.
Apparently you've led a very sheltered life Miles
and have no experience with Politics, Military
Intelligence, The Agency, The Pentagon or the
Science of Mind Control.
Oh well, not to worry. As we march along to
the tune of
The AGENDA you'll eventually begin
to
SEE how
Nothing is as it Seems. We're all
being played in the Game of the Great Chessboard.
Enjoy the Bliss of your Ignorance for a time longer.
What is coming has already begun.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 02:15:25 PM
Prior to GPS we had a number of electronic navigation systems: Decca, Loran, Omega, Transit. Proof GPS Satellites Do Not Exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf_bNnohDc)!
...but does that mean that all satellites do not exist?
For Miles and any others who may be interested:
Some of us have been inside the Beast and have
knowledge of its various "programs." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_P5KWSXZF4)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 02:31:40 PM
What is coming has already begun.
Best one-liner I have heard in a long time. Especially
when you say it with a deep voice.
;)
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
...but does that mean that all satellites do not exist?
Yes, unless they've found a way to hang/mount the satellites on the firmament/dome (probably unlikely). Ground based antennas placed on the exceedingly high mountain in the North (Polaris) could also mimic a satellite (probably unlikely). They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time. The true purpose of Cern is to breach the glass dome so they may ascend into the heavens. Cern has failed to breach the firmament, thus it's being used as a weapon against humanity and all life forms contained within the firmament. Cern is the modern day equivalent of the "tower of babel".
What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?
Enoch 14:2
2And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.
3Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you.
4From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 01:01:08 AM
Yes, unless they've found a way to hang/mount the satellites on the firmament/dome (probably unlikely). Ground based antennas placed on the exceedingly high mountain in the North (Polaris) could also mimic a satellite (probably unlikely). They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time. The true purpose of Cern is to breach the glass dome so they may ascend into the heavens. Cern is the modern day equivalent of the "tower of babel".
What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?
Enoch 14:2
2And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures. 3Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you. 4From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.
Gravock
Planes CRASH into "Invisible Shield" of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament in Antartica (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtybmBcSfLE&list=PLt36ZcQGl6srYBAp6GUf3vWHi7YzuaerY) (video playlist)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 01:41:55 AM
Planes CRASH into "Invisible Shield" of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament in Antartica (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtybmBcSfLE&list=PLt36ZcQGl6srYBAp6GUf3vWHi7YzuaerY) (video playlist)
Gravock
LiveLeak - United States Hydrogen Bomb Tests - Operation Dominic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjfRb76Mfc)
The image and the text below is a comment by cassiya100:
"They called it nuclear bomb test but in actuality they were trying to blow a hole in the Firmament. question is why?
then you have
operation fishbowl, why that name? Flat Earthers are scoring lots of points with their flat Earth theory, the Earth being flat and contained in a bowl (Firmament) and before you all start shooting me down,
find out what the name Dominic means?? now add Dominic and Fishbowl, what do you get?"Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 01:58:13 AM
... find out what the name Dominic means?? now add Dominic and Fishbowl, what do you get?"
Gravock
Fishbowl + Dominic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic) = "The Fishbowl of the MASTER" / "The Fishbowl of our LORD" / "The Fishbowl belonging to GOD"!
Gravock
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 06:46:46 PM
For Miles and any others who may be interested:
Some of us have been inside the Beast and have
knowledge of its various "programs." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_P5KWSXZF4)
They can't breach the firmament/dome of this world to ascend into the heavens, so they're trying to destroy all life forms contained within it! They can upload their consciousness into a synthetic brain with a synthetic body (http://overunity.com/13762/a-synthetic-world/msg369259/#msg369259) that is non-organic, thus ensuring only their survival. 500,000 people will be spared according to the Georgia Guide-stones as non-organic synthetic slaves for their own convenience and luxury.
It's time to take back what has been stolen from mankind!
Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Gravock
They've been trying to figure out what this 'invisible domed shield' is made of so they may breach the firmament and ascend into the heavens. The firmament is apparently made from the so-called "God Particle". According to them, the God Particle is what gives matter it's mass. However, it's the God Particle which the firmament is made of that keeps them from ascending into the heavens.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 01:01:08 AM
What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?
I have several stationary parabolic antennas that point to space which seems to be always above the equator. They work.
I have verified that the antennas are very directional and are even affected by the branches of an overgrown tree nearby, that appears to block signals from the "sky" in windy weather and when the branches are not trimmed.
Quote from: verpies on May 03, 2016, 04:54:06 AM
I have several satellite antennas that point to space which seems to be above the equator.
I have verified that the antennas are very directional and are affected by the branches of an overgrown tree nearby, that appears to block signals from the "sky" in windy weather and when the branches are not trimmed.
You haven't been paying attention! The firmament is like a mirror. Electromagnetic waves (light) is reflected off the glass mirror-like domed structure and hits a ground based antenna.
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!
* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).
Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 02:20:52 PM
Yes, we're fighting these ORDERS by exposing them for what they are.
Ephesians 5:11
And have nothing to do with the unfruitful actions that darkness produces. Instead, expose them for what they are.
Gravock
I hope you can get rid of the demons riding you. Lithium seems to help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication)
If you are just leading everyone on, it is sick too.
Any way, words will not stop you. You have won the fools contest.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on May 03, 2016, 05:30:35 AM
I hope you can get rid of the demons riding you. Lithium seems to help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication))
If you are just leading everyone on, it is sick too.
Any way, words will not stop you. You have won the fools contest.
Greetings, Conrad
I'll wait until you have time to catch up with the rest of the thread to see if you still feel the same way. You're a few pages behind according to the post you quoted from me. If you still believe the way you currently do after catching up, then there's no hope for you, for you have a reprobate mind. In other words, you have been pre-destined to damnation because you are the product of the fallen ones. You came from a bad unhealthy seed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/26/bright-flash-of-light-marks-incredible-moment-life-begins-when-s/) that was damaged by the fallen ones who abandoned their own natural dwelling place in heaven and mingled with the daughters of men. There's no light in you just as we find at the moment of conception with a bad seed. The seed at the top middle (see image below), with no light at the moment of conception is a good match for you.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Gravock
Quote from: conradelektro on April 28, 2016, 07:53:50 AM
Citation from the article: "An explosion of tiny sparks erupts from the egg at the exact moment of conception."
I have no problem with that statement and it is an interesting discovery.
Citation from the article: "Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins when sperm meets egg."
This title or sentence is not correct, because sperm and egg are already alive, no new life begins. Two live entities merge to form a single live entity.
When does life begin? Life began when the first live entity (may be a small group of molecules able to reproduce) appeared on earth. And from this moment on life propagated itself by dividing or separating a small already alive part from itself.
So, life began aeons ago (on earth or it came to earth) and then spread and diversified by reproduction. Reproduction is not the beginning of a new life it is the perpetuation of life.
Somehow life was created a long long time ago (on earth or elsewhere, multiple times or only once) and then it never stopped. Life renews itself in the offspring and diversifies by producing offspring slightly different from the parent or parents.
Till now nobody could create a living thing (cell, animal, plant, thread of molecules which is alive) from non living parts (molecules or atoms). Gene manipulation happens in cells which are already alive, taken from alive entities. And the "flash of light" reported in the article is cause by already alive entities (the alive sperm and the alive egg).
Greetings, Conrad
I see you know a reprobate mystery, which is no longer a mystery that it once was. I have pity for you.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 06:20:03 AM
Look at what the Pope has around his arm in the image below (rotate the image 90 degrees to the right). Isn't that a variation of the image you just posted? ROFLMAO! Is the pope and the masons flat earthers? Maybe the masons are behind the organized PYSOPS.
SeaMonkey,
It's the Holy Spirit that's behind the 'so-called' well organized 'PysOp'!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 05:02:38 AM
You haven't been paying attention! The firmament is like a mirror. Electromagnetic waves (light) is reflected off the glass mirror-like domed structure and hits a ground based antenna.
but if the electromagnetic waves ares reflected so, then their angle of incidence = angle of reflection and many receivers could not receive the same ground transmitter when looking up at different angles (from different geographic locations, latitudes, longitudes and altitudes).
Quote from: Gravity Block
It's the Holy Spirit that's behind the 'so-called' well organized 'PysOp'!
More likely it is the work of The Adversary.
The Father of the Lie is very skillful at pretending to be
an Angel of Light. Those who have been in his presence
report that he exudes intense feelings of "love" and "serenity."
Many are being deceived.
Flat or round? For sure if proven flat then 'the world would change', that goes without saying.
How can one travel 'true level' without using an altimeter? If you flew a plane truely level, and the earth is flat, then the altimeter would never show a change in altitude, while a round earth would ...
Maybe fly at night and sight on a star? I don't know the subject well enough or care to research this thought experiment.
Quote from: tak22 on May 03, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
Flat or round? For sure if proven flat then 'the world would change', that goes without saying.
How can one travel 'true level' without using an altimeter? If you flew a plane truely level, and the earth is flat, then the altimeter would never show a change in altitude, while a round earth would ...
Maybe fly at night and sight on a star? I don't know the subject well enough or care to research this thought experiment.
A plane does not fly level as much as it maintains a given altitude based upon the engine's power setting. So, the engine is working against gravity as is the left generated by the wings. Therefore, it maintains this height above the earth even if flying around the world. It will continue to do this unless one or more of the parameters change.
Bill
Hi folks, nice job gravityblock, keep it coming.
I have made some observations and it does appear the water level is flat on earth, though it's probably more like a concave circular disk, with a large ice ring wall around the perimeter.
In fact, there are a few casinos in illinois, that have this very geometry in large size, hanging upside down from the ceilings.
I think the message is, the truth is turned upside down.
peace love light
Edit: oh and a movie theater has this same geometry on the celing, very large and upside down and lighted with blue lights, someones aware, whoever designed that theater.
This test in the attached video proves FLAT EARTH ...https://youtu.be/deoLBQTtXJw The detail of the mathematics is very simple and states that a gyroscope should create an opposing effect of inertia to the vector spin of the earth spin. This is mu view of simplifying the evidence . I like simple facts as my time is limited to just sit here and bang the flat earth drum but the test in this video is very important.
What you must except is only science and the rules of science do not determine that you need anything but the truth ! You dont have to be a scientist but when delivering truth its becomes science as all truth is demonstrable repeatable and confirms its self as reality and true.
I dont like typing in fact I hate it as my mind is so fast yet my fingers just can not keep up with my thoughts that errors happen and often I just dont bother to change them so forgive me if MY SPELLING IS IN ERROR ECT ECT I DONT GIVE A DAM but sometimes I do !
To them that keep attacking me for presenting truth and factual evidence and who all are just waisted paper heads , shut up and go play with an open pint of super glue and than try and eat a rhino sitting in a pond full of alligators !
When it comes to truth you dont get much better than honesty and when you see this video you will have to question the mathematics of the geological function of a planet ! You who think that what you see is in fact all there is to see are blind to the truth and you are required also to shut up unless you learn to add up al the facts.
This is not about religion or academic brain washed logics or observations presented on a screen but it is about quantum mechanics and all modern front line of thought agrees that reality is a system of probabilities and anything is possible ! This includes that possibility that the earth is flat even if we observe it to be round ! You are now to be tested and logic here is to be extended and the fundamental balance must include all the information that is not in question like the test results of the attached video.
To the OU admin ! I am a man who walks this earth with equal rights as any other man I advise you not to keep braking my human rights in any way even if the lies and creepy little minds of envy crawl through the under growth and so-round you with there complaints ... I have never been beaten when it comes to reality and truth of fact over fiction and have contributed more than most ...
But to the point here I must say only that there is a challenge of perception over reality and I will state that there is another force in balance with the force we know as gravity and time over space as only one part of yet another function that is also in balance with zero time and zero space . We are in fact inside the largest black hole in the universe and you must except that in this we will from time to time meet the unexpected and it will challenge our reality .
To this and to all, if this post is posted than I have a special surprise for you its called a quantum computer a real one that you can have on your lap top for free and it requires only that the earth is flat and time and space is balanced and set to a neutral position or it wont work .
Welcome to the laws of the second dimensional plane for with out it the world would not be round hahaha lolx
Here is an interesting video called "the Big Bounce"... Dome perhaps.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE You decide....
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2016, 04:04:24 PM
A plane does not fly level as much as it maintains a given altitude based upon the engine's power setting. So, the engine is working against gravity as is the left generated by the wings. Therefore, it maintains this height above the earth even if flying around the world. It will continue to do this unless one or more of the parameters change.
Bill
A bit of good sense in this desert. Bless you, Pi.
The wing automatically makes lift depending on the the density of the air it is in. And, that lift varies as the airspeed varies. So, if the power setting is left constant, the lift gets bigger if the wing goes into denser air, and, the lift gets smaller if the wing goes into thinner air.
The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference).
So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.
CANGAS 231
Flat Earth: Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations Explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8)
For each 360 degrees the sun-moon system rotates (one 24 hour day/night) the stars rotate 359 degrees. Over a year this causes the constellations all to have their turn in the day and night part of the sky. One degree difference per day adds up to one full revolution over a year, this model having 360 day years (12 x 30 day lunar month) just as the ancients used. 360 degrees in a circle and not 365.25.
Sun-Moon Flat Earth Astrolabe Android App (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aarondover.yinyangapp&pageId=106176790510047657174)
Below is a description of the app and a snapshot:
"This is a version of my Yin Yang Radial Oscillator model which lets you choose a date and time by tapping the screen, and it will show you the sun and moon positions relative to stars and Earth. The yin yang shows areas of night and day. So you can check where and when the sun will rise and set, and see which constellations are visible and where. The red dot shows the centre point of the moon and sun. It also shows world cities with populations >1m and which is nearest to sun and moon. You can toggle all the plates (Earth, stars, cities) on and off as well as whether the display is static or animated by a clock. Now also includes a Moon Compass and daylength calculated from the model time and your latitude if you (optionally) allow GPS permissions. The app does not account for your time zone presently... but you can correct for this manually for now :)"
Gravock
Quote from: Here2njoy on May 04, 2016, 11:55:50 AM
Here is an interesting video called "the Big Bounce"... Dome perhaps.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE) You decide....
The youtube account for the link has been terminated. Makes you wonder if the ballers are following the reference links. I know they wish to remain willfully ignorant, so this doesn't surprise me.
Gravock
Flat Earth ( Sharp Witted ) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wofGJ1wM0#t=3111.172704)
The Truth is the new hate speech!
Gravock
Quote from: CANGAS on May 05, 2016, 05:53:42 AM
The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference).
So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.
Thanks Bill and CANGAS for the information on how a plane maintains level flight. My suggested experiment was to ignore "normal" conditions and fly the plane on a 'level' trajectory while compensating for the influence of gravity and air pressure. I don't know how the pilot would do this, sight on a star at night?
Quote from: tak22 on May 05, 2016, 11:38:12 AM
Thanks Bill and CANGAS for the information on how a plane maintains level flight. My suggested experiment was to ignore "normal" conditions and fly the plane on a 'level' trajectory while compensating for the influence of gravity and air pressure. I don't know how the pilot would do this, sight on a star at night?
If a plane is traveling 500 mph, the earth is falling away at a rate of 2,775 feet per minute, in a globe model. If autopilot is off, the pilot must reduce altitude by 2,775 feet per minute or 46 feet per second to maintain 35,000 feet. A 46 feet per second drop would be noticeable to the passengers. The theory that somehow gravity miraculously keeps the plane in a sort of auto orbit with the atmosphere is preposterous. The plane is not traveling with an atmosphere locked into the earth's 1000 miles per hour rotation. If so, how then can it easily land and also adjust to the angle of the axis? Impossible!
If a plane is cleared to maintain 35,000 feet, by regulations, the pilot must maintain that level based on a standard barometric pressure setting (29.92 inHg or 1013 millibars) Hence it would stay at that altitude (FL350) because the pilot is either controlling the plane manually or has engaged the autopilot to achieve that.
There are two basic instruments that enable this procedure - an altimeter and a vertical speed indicator (VSI). The VSI provides short term changes in pressure and indicates whether the plane is climbing or descending. These changes will give an indication to the pilot so that he would level the plane to maintain 35,000 feet. He will adjust the controls very slightly by use of the elevator and trims. This can be performed automatically by the autopilot as well. As such, the flight controls are constantly moving very subtly to maintain the correct attitude, thus the earth must be flat.
The truth is no pilot will admit to what he sees with his own eyes that the earth is actually flat for fear of being sacked instantaneously as many whistle blowers will testify too.
Gravock
The wings are not level with the horizon, that artificial horizon gauge shows a bank to the right...sheesh.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2016, 02:34:09 PM
The wings are not level with the horizon, that artificial horizon gauge shows a bank to the right...sheesh.
Bill
A horizon indicator is how a planes fly level and maintains a certain altitude above sea level. I can find you an image of a horizon indicator which shows the wings are 100% level with the horizon, instead of 99.98%, if you like. Is that necessary? Will that change anything? Of course not! You made a poor argument as usual, so get over it and stop balling!
Gravock
This sort of reminds me of the "Intelligent Design" people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, including the dinosaurs.
There is scene in The Sopranos where Tony says, "Like the Flintstones?"
Quote from: MileHigh on May 05, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
This sort of reminds me of the "Intelligent Design" people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, including the dinosaurs.
There is scene in The Sopranos where Tony says, "Like the Flintstones?"
Is this proof for a flat earth or a spherical globe? No, so your post is spam and you're trolling! If you want to start a thread on the above, then be my guest.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 02:42:09 PM
A horizon indicator is how a planes fly level and maintains a certain altitude above sea level. I can find you an image of a horizon indicator which shows the wings are 100% level with the horizon, instead of 99.98%, if you like. Is that necessary? Will that change anything? Of course not! You made a poor argument as usual, so get over it and stop balling!
Gravock
Well, it is only that you called that gauge by the wrong name and then were not accurate about what the gauge was reading...and how it is used in flight by pilots...other than that...
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2016, 04:03:58 PM
Well, it is only that you called that gauge by the wrong name and then were not accurate about what the gauge was reading...and how it is used in flight by pilots...other than that...
Bill
I didn't call the gauge by the wrong name! It's known as an attitude indicator (AI), a gyro horizon, horizon indicator, artificial horizon, or an attitude director indicator. What the gauge was reading and how it's used in flight by pilots was a snapshot taken from wikipedia. The wings were a hair line away from being 100% level with the horizon, so don't get your panties all in a knot.
Gravock
Quote from: CANGAS on May 05, 2016, 05:53:42 AM
A bit of good sense in this desert. Bless you, Pi.
The wing automatically makes lift depending on the the density of the air it is in. And, that lift varies as the airspeed varies. So, if the power setting is left constant, the lift gets bigger if the wing goes into denser air, and, the lift gets smaller if the wing goes into thinner air.
The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference).
So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.
CANGAS 231
Flat Earth | All Meat & No Potatoes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbjFoA8sJQ)
Gravock
I always get flak when trying to discuss this subject. Whether from Status Quo, Dis-Informants, Information-Suppressors, the Brain-Washed Materialists, College-Indoctrinated Self-Righteous Graduates, etc. The content gets ignored, dogmatic minds choose vitriol against character rather than merits of evidence/analysis, believers of so-called modern-day science react like dogmatic religious fundamentalists instead of genuine researchers/scientists, etc. With that having been said/typed/written...
Quote from: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Please participate in the poll. Users are allowed to change their vote at any time!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false" - William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981).
Flat earthers (FE) and ballers, present your evidence and prepare your rebuttals.
Gravock
...I have to throw forth a few questions and my reasons for the following questions (hey this glow-effect is pretty cool)...
Question : Why are the Poll-Questions limited into polemic-style options ?
Reason For Question : I have looked into Flat-Earth Evidence/Theory for a significant amount of time and, upon double-checking over all information on many sides of the fences, I have reason to believe that there can be validity to both, perhaps for reasons that are not yet understood, such as a trait/principle/undiscovered aspect of Quantum-Physics that allows for both to be true simultaneously (instead of only one or the other for reasons, like I mentioned, that may not yet be understood).
Oups, I was sure I had other questions beyond that, but those will probably be answered or become apparent with any responses I get.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
I didn't call the gauge by the wrong name! It's known as an attitude indicator (AI), a gyro horizon, horizon indicator, artificial horizon, or an attitude director indicator. What the gauge was reading and how it's used in flight by pilots was a snapshot taken from wikipedia. The wings were a hair line away from being 100% level with the horizon, so don't get your panties all in a knot.
Gravock
Wow, you came up with 6 names for the same gauge. I think that might be confusing for pilots which is why they only use one name...the correct one. Oh, and that "hairline away" as you call it could make quite a difference depending upon the speed that the aircraft is traveling. A few degrees at a high enough speed can rip your wings off...but, hey...let's not worry about being accurate. You sure have not done so thus far.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2016, 09:45:29 PM
Wow, you came up with 6 names for the same gauge. I think that might be confusing for pilots which is why they only use one name...the correct one. Oh, and that "hairline away" as you call it could make quite a difference depending upon the speed that the aircraft is traveling. A few degrees at a high enough speed can rip your wings off...but, hey...let's not worry about being accurate. You sure have not done so thus far.
Bill
A hairline away isn't a few degrees. It's more like 0.2 - 0.4 degrees probably due to a small turbulence encountered by the aircraft, and you talk about being accurate.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 09:40:11 PM
Flat Earth | All Meat & No Potatoes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbjFoA8sJQ)
Gravock
Guy shoots himself in the foot when he begins to talk about atmospheric effects when viewing things at a distance and alludes to the effects not being able to account for the ability to see an object over the horizon but then goes on to say that atmospheric effects can cause a ship to appear upside down and so forth.
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Quote from: Farmhand on May 06, 2016, 12:19:07 AM
Guy shoots himself in the foot when he begins to talk about atmospheric effects when viewing things at a distance and alludes to the effects not being able to account for the ability to see an object over the horizon but then goes on to say that atmospheric effects can cause a ship to appear upside down and so forth.
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I'll give you a little bit of time to wrap your mind around what he was saying before I give you my input. Do some critical thinking Farmhand!
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
Well isn't that interesting because a rocket goes straight up and within a few minutes is mostly flying horizontal to get into space. That supports the spherical Earth.
No, the rocket flying mostly horizontal within a few minutes over a flat earth while dropping the fuel tank is evidence for it getting ready to return back to the ground.
Gravock
Heliocentric model debunked with evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lX-ZslGYrk)!
The continuation of looking at the terminator line advancement on the earth absolutely shows with 100% certainty that the heliocentric model can not be true. There is no way with the current science model to "advance" the terminator line for one half of the earth and not the other in the current heliocentric model.
The time and date map doesn't match the globe. It matches flat earth and the Yin Yang Radial Oscillator Model as previously posted.
Gravock
Quote from: verpies on May 03, 2016, 10:19:00 AM
but if the electromagnetic waves ares reflected so, then their angle of incidence = angle of reflection and many receivers could not receive the same ground transmitter when looking up at different angles (from different geographic locations, latitudes, longitudes and altitudes).
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament. Dish Network transmits their signal at less than 500 watts per channel (http://dishuser.org/satellites.php), so the much weaker signal will be dispersed over a much wider area than the 2 quadrillion watt laser. The parabolic dish concentrates this very weak signal at the focal point where the LNB is located to increase the signal. The larger the parabolic dish, the higher the signal strength will be. This is how many receivers looking up at different angles can receive the same ground transmitter.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 04:47:36 AM
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.
The laser light was emitted for how long?
How long did the glow over the Chicago's Soldier Field last ?
Also do you mean that the angle of laser's incidence <> angle of its reflection ?
Quote from: verpies on May 06, 2016, 05:06:23 AM
The laser light was fired for how long?
How long did the glow over the Chicago's Soldier Field last ?
Also do you mean that the angle of laser's incidence <> angle of its reflection ?
The angle of the reflected signal is the same as the angle in which the signal is being transmitted by the virtual satellite, so what's the problem? In the Northern States, the dish will be pointing at a lower angle, and in the Southern States, the dish will be pointing at a higher angle. On the west coast, the dish will be pointed more towards the east, and on the east coast, the dish will be pointed more towards the west. The duration of the laser light that was fired is irrelevant. If it was longer than the glow in Chicago, then whose to say the laser remained in the exact same position. If it was shorter than the recorded glow in Chicago, then whose to say the firmament didn't absorb and release the energy at a slower rate due to it's high energy levels. I know, that may sound absurd, but we really know nothing about the "God Particle" that makes up the invisible glass-mirror like structure that is above us. Watch those so-called nucleaur bomb tests. It does appear that it absorbs some of the energy as the energy is pushed out radially.
Gravock
Verpies,
The two main virtual satellites for Dish Network is 110ow and 119ow. The angle of incidence will be 110oe and 119oe. The meridian 110 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_meridian_east)° east and 119o east of Greenwich is a line of longitude that extends from the North Pole across the Arctic Ocean, Asia, the Indian Ocean, the Southern Ocean, and Antarctica to the South Pole. The North Pole is where the ground based antennas are located, and Antarctica is where the edge of the firmament dome is located that reflects the signal across the States. As you can see, the angle of incidence = the angle of reflection which is 110 and 119 respectively! This is absolute proof there's no satellites orbiting the earth and absolute proof the earth is a flat round disk with a dome!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 04:47:36 AM
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.
The pulse length of the 2 petawatt output recently achieved by Japan's LFEX laser was less than 2 picoseconds. The amount of energy contained in that very brief 2 petawatt laser pulse was less than the energy contained in a hot cup of coffee.
Even if a human eye could detect a very brief 2 picosecond pulse, the output of the laser was in the infrared wavelengths and not visible to the human eye. Moreover, at no time did the laser beam ever leave the confines of the laboratory. It is aimed at targets within the laboratory complex, not out into the open sky.
Japan's LFEX laser is fired fairly often for ongoing experiments. These types of lasers are in use in several countries throughout the world, including the US. Their very short pulse lengths allow them to claim incredible power outputs when in reality the actual energy emitted is relatively low.
These are not military weapon type lasers...
Hi folks, Hi gravityblock, thanks again for giving your time and energy to share.
What if the dome above, is not made of the typical matter that we know of.
I recall a story about a man going to a plastic sheet manufacture plant and in one area where he stood, there was a barrier that he could not penetrate his body through.
To a very advanced creator of worlds, i wouldn't think it would be difficult to use something like this and add additional properties to it, to create a protective dome over a world.
peace love light
and try and play nice with each other in the sandbox.
So then, how did Voyager get past this "dome" in order to explore deep space? How did the Apollo mission ever get to the moon...unless you are claiming that this dome encases all of the planets as well? (Pretty big dome)
How do we get radio frequencies that originate in deep space? They could never get through your dome. Or, is there someone controlling a trap door to this dome and they open and close it to allow space craft to pass? If so...then who is this person?
I think you guys are confused with a planetarium which actually does have a dome ceiling. Next time you go to one, I would suggest not doing acid...it appears to be messing with your perceptions of reality.
Bill
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.
"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"
Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeeiCY2wAM
ODD TV.... Made in a Hollywood basement.....
Quote from: Turbo on May 06, 2016, 02:41:34 PM
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.
"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"
Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.
Ummm...we totally went to the moon. My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects. It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there. If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading. We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.
Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag. The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon. That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.
I blame our very poor education system.
Bill
The Truman Show was not a documentary.
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Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
Ummm...we totally went to the moon. My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects. It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there. If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading. We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.
Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag. The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon. That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.
I blame our very poor education system.
Bill
It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.
Quote from: Turbo on May 07, 2016, 02:25:45 AM
It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.
So, how did we do the laser test by bouncing a laser off of a mirror placed on the moon by the Apollo Astronauts? What about the seismic readings we get from the equipment they left there? You should read real books on this subject written by the folks that were there. Have you ever touched a moon rock? I have. How can this be if the Apollo guys never went there?
I guess all of the other equipment left behind on the moon which can be seen, and photographed, is not really there? Come on man, do some real research...read a book.
Bill
Bill, it's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people. Just look at the various threads. All data that you can cite in your attempts to prove that landings took place and that the Earth is a big ball are _made up_, they are lies, perpetrated by a grand conspiracy that involves hundreds of thousands of people all over the flat planet. Even you and I are part of this conspiracy! And all the "data" and "evidence" that they present, that you and I know are just misinterpretations and special pleadings and outright wrong, are the gospel truth that prove the Earth is flat and the landings were hoaxed!
SpaceX, JAXA.... all hoaxes! Hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of people all participating in the same huge hoax, just to make us believe that the Earth is a globe!
Have you gotten your paycheck yet?
Facepalm ROFL ! It's useless to argue with someone who believes that all your evidence is made up of lies and who won't do basic research on their own, all you can do is mock their ignorance and foolishness. Ever tried arguing with a Jehova's Witness or a young-earth creationist? Same thing.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 05:40:46 AM
It's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people.
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
Ummm...we totally went to the moon. My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.
Just because the parts were machined, rocket built and the flag made and the rocket took off the ground does not mean that it landed on the moon. There was even a movie about this scenario titled "Capricorn One".
Evidence ?
Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?
the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .
as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .
@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space programs .
Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!
@ Farmhand
that was funny ...
Quote from: verpies on May 07, 2016, 06:58:20 AM
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.
Sure, when you are discussing things with rational people. But in this case there is no discussion, because the people the real scientists are talking with are simply denying the validity and truth of all evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived notions. You can cite whatever evidence you like and the flat-earthers will just tell you that the evidence is faked. How is that a "discussion"? And on the other side, you have the flat-earthers citing "evidence" for their views that is so bad and mistaken and simply false that it's not even funny any more.
How does a computerized telescope mount find and track objects in space, if the Earth is flat and the objects are closer than astronomers claim? Why, the algorithm is faked, of course! And hundreds of different makes of computerized scope mounts all use different FAKED algorithms! And all astronomy college courses worldwide teach their students fake (but somehow consistent) information and when the students calculate orbits and positions of objects in space... all of that is lies and fakery based on the fake math they learn in class! What did SpaceX just launch in to geostationary orbit 25 thousand miles high? Why, nothing... the launch was faked, the satellite is fake! What is that which can be seen in photos of the moon at the Apollo landing sites? Nothing, NASA faked the photos, the moon is a hologram! Why do artillery shells respond to the Coriolis effect which has to be corrected for if the gunners want to hit their targets? They don't, the aiming algorithm is faked! How do all those Foucault pendulums at different latitudes work? They have little motors at the suspension point, all programmed secretly to adjust the swing for the latitude of the installation! How does an airplane maintain a constant altitude over the ground if the Earth is a globe, it should get higher and higher as the Earth surface falls away, right? Why does a cyclone spin the "wrong way" off the coast of Yemen... since Yemen is in the Southern "hemisphere"? And on and on....
Seriously, how can you have a rational discussion when people on the other side of the "argument" tell you things like this?
Quote from: ramset on May 07, 2016, 07:47:15 AM
Evidence ?
Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?
the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .
as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .
@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space programs .
Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!
@ Farmhand
that was funny ...
Chet, it means nothing to "SEE" anything with your own eyes either! I've seen a lady being sawed in half on stage, then emerging intact from the box afterwards. Hundreds of people have seen with their own eyes the Statue of Liberty being vanished by David Copperfield (and you can "see" him doing it on YouTube). If someone wants to Fake almost anything and is willing to spend the time and money to do it, it can be done. Don't you know... "they" operate drones that sit in the optical path of every telescope on Earth so that the astronomers looking through them will only see what "they" want you to see. Or maybe they project holograms from secret locations that mimic objects in space, just to fool you into thinking the Earth isn't flat.
No telescope located on Earth has the resolution necessary to "SEE" directly the tiny footprints or tiretracks or debris left behind on the Moon, so we have to rely on photos from satellites like LRO and its high-resolution cameras -- that the deniers claim are faked, even as the photos continue to come in from the LROC. You'll just have to take the words of the Astronauts who went there and walked and drove around on the lunar surface that they actually did it. Are you calling people like Neil Armstrong and Ed Mitchell liars? Of course they are liars, right ... along with the hundreds of thousands or even millions of other people all who would have to be "in" on the deception to make it work, along with the impossible technology that it would take to fake all the evidence for a globe Earth and the moon landings and all the rest, like Cassini at Saturn, the asteroid and comet missions, and so on.
Meanwhile any amateur scientist worthy of the name can conduct valid experiments on her own that _prove_ that we are on a spinning, globular planet, and can make observations of objects in space that _prove_ that they are distant and move on paths that are consistent with conventional astronomy. The whole "flat earth" thing is a delusion, and a badly inconsistent and nonsensical one at that. What the flat-earthers fail to provide is some logical _reason_ for all this fakery. It's a religion, depending on faith in nonsense and the denial of the reality of _all_ contrary evidence.
TK:
Here is one of the bigger hoaxes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq02C_3FvFo
All of that CGI and the remote clandestine detonations of dynamite are pretty impressive. Or perhaps the great giant sky man-thing was smoking and he flicked his cigarette and some ash and a hot ember punched its way through the skin of the dome or something. All I know is that he/she/it better not sneeze when looking at us up close because that would be Armageddon. He spilled some of his glass of water on us a long time ago and you know what happened then.
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on May 07, 2016, 07:47:15 AM
Evidence ?
as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .
@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space programs .
Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!
@ Farmhand
that was funny ...
QuoteHas anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?
the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .
No,not one clear picture-unless you call some white dots on a !so called! HD picture proof.
It is odd that we can send very clear pictures all the way from mars to earth,and spend the money to do so,but cannot !in anyway! gain access to such clear pictures of the !left behinds! on the moon. Even NASA scientist them self have stated that they still have to work out how to get man safely through the Van Allan belt's--a slip up there i expect.
The only evidence available that man went to the moon,is of course from NASA.
The chinese -along with a couple of other countries,have landed lunar rovers on the moon,and still,not one clear shot of any of the left overs from the Apollo missions-not one.
We can take a picture of a guy taking a leak in his back yard from over 400 miles up--through the atmosphere mind you,but not one clear picture from the LRO at just 25 mile up from the moons surface with not atmosphere to contend with either :o
No man since the !!Apollo!! missions has been anywhere near the Van Allan belts-wonder why that is?.
No man has been back to the moon since the !!Apollo!! missions-wonder why that is?.
No clear pictures of any of the equipment left behind on the moon,by any country-wonder why that is?.
I guess !some! of us will believe anything the government tells us,as the truth would just hurt to much ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt6n33gOfo
Brad
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...
it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .
someone like this maybe ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be
at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??
Quote from: ramset on May 07, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...
it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .
someone like this maybe ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be
at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??
The American government will never allow another country thats not in the American governments pocket,or any private company to send a rocket to the moon to take pictures of the equipment left behind from the Apollo missions-never. Anyone that tries will find that there space craft will malfunction ,and explode before it gets there.
The moon landings are as believable as the 9/11 story. As an American,it may be hard to see,due to loving your country--blind is love some times. But from an outsiders point of view,you can clearly see that something is drastically wrong with the 9/11 story.
If you believe the 9/11 story,then you must also believe that the American defence force is the poorest in the world,when it claims to be the best. The department of Intelligence also seems not so intelligent.
I in no way believe in the !flat! earth theory,but i do laugh at some of the things people do believe--just because the government and media says thats how it is.
A well worth while video to watch.
But of course,the experts in this video will all be wrong,as we have better ones here ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xif0jIT_ZM
Brad
Another "fake" event scheduled for Monday morning through mid-day in the Northern Hemisphere:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/dig_out_the_binoculars_mercury_transit_to_occur_monday_where_when_to_see_it/57206396 (http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/dig_out_the_binoculars_mercury_transit_to_occur_monday_where_when_to_see_it/57206396)
QuoteTransits of Mercury have long helped astronomers since viewing the event for the first time in 1631. In addition to providing a better understanding of the planet's disk size and the distance between the Earth and sun, transits now allow NASA to test their spacecraft and calibrate their instruments (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9).
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9 (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9)
An article from 2008 talking about satellites orbiting the moon at that time, including satellites from China, Japan, India, and Russia and of course USA:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/20feb_orbitingthemoon/ (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/20feb_orbitingthemoon/)
Of course.... all fake, right! Very clever of NASA to get all those other nations to be in on the hoax. Why, there must be billions of people who actually think that the Moon is really up in outer space and that humans send spacecraft there! What a bunch of fools!
A very detailed article about the Van Allen belts and the lunar spaceflights, including trajectory maps that show how the Apollo missions skirted most of the radiation zones going and coming back:
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm (http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm)
QuoteIn fact, Dr. Van Allen helped to design the Apollo lunar trajectories, which were engineered specifically to lessen radiation exposure. Despite the conspiracists' insistence that Dr. Van Allen agrees with them, he has rejected the claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts, calling it "nonsense".
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No other spacefaring nation has expresses doubts about the ability to traverse translunar space, and they all acknowledge that Apollo succeeded in landing astronauts on the Moon. Furthermore, the United States is not the only nation to have sent living creatures to the Moon. In September 1968 the Soviet Union's Zond 5 became the first spacecraft to swing around the Moon and return to land on Earth. The mission was planned as a precursor to a manned lunar spacecraft. It carried a biological payload of two Russian tortoises, wine flies, meal worms, plants, seeds, bacteria, and other living matter. The biological payload was intact, proving that it was possible to survive a lunar flight and safely return to Earth. As a result of Zond 5, and Zond 7 in 1969, the Soviet Union concluded that, "seven-day flights along the trajectories of Zond-5 and 7 probes are safe from the radiation point of view."
Read on down through the math to the calculations of the radiation doses on the trajectories followed, and descriptions of the shielding the spacecraft afforded. And the article ends with the average readings from the actual dosimeters worn by the astronauts:
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/pics/apollodose.gif
Of course... all this data is just a fabric of lies, isn't it, because you KNOW we never went to the moon and nothing will change your mind.
Quote from: ramset on May 07, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...
it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .
someone like this maybe ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be)
at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??
235,000 miles / 3800 miles/hour = about 62 hours, about 2 1/2 days....
Apollo missions took about 3 days to get there, but of course they slowed down on arrival.....
And of course we all know that China is "in USA's pocket".... right.....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079)
QuoteBEIJING, Feb. 6 (UPI) -- China says a full map of the moon captured by the orbiter Chang'e-2 is the
highest-resolution image of the entirety of the moon's surface published to date. The full coverage moon map was compiled from images taken by a stereo camera on the orbiter from heights of 60 miles (7-meter resolution) and 9 miles (1.4-meter resolution) over the lunar surface between October 2010 and May 2011, Liu Dongkui, deputy chief commander of China's lunar probe project, said.
The resolution in the images can show features as small as 23 feet (7 meters) across, China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported Monday.
Traces of previous U.S. Apollo missions were visible in the images, Yan Jun, chief application scientist for China's lunar exploration project, said.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079)
Well first off,i would like to see these high res pictures TK.
QuoteAnd of course we all know that China is "in USA's pocket".... right.....
Well,i dont know--what do you think?
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
Brad
Thanks TK. I knew an orbiter had taken photos like this but could not remember where I had read it.
How do we explain the moon rocks? Did they get picked up by a robot lander or something? Or, is that some sort of mass conspiracy where thousands more people are all telling the same lie? What about Al Shepard's golf ball? If man did not ever reach the moon, then who hit that golf ball? (actually, 2 of them)
Just like Einstein said: "God does not play dice". I say: "Aliens do not play golf." Al never reached the green because there is no greens on the moon...only brown's. We have only his word as to how far his ball actually went..."Miles and miles and miles." That golf shot could have never been faked in a Hollywood studio as it went waaaay too far for any sound stage that existed at that time. Come on, I mean for a studio to be able to have a golf ball go miles and miles and miles...it would have to be huge.
Bill
Look, the CGI teams supporting the fake International Space Station must be working overtime because of the Fort McMurray fire.
http://addins.kwwl.com/blogs/weather/2016/05/fort-mcmurray-fire
It's a major disaster, they had to evacuate a city of 80,000 people and thousands of homes and buildings have burnt to the ground. Probably the biggest Canadian natural disaster since the Ice Storm of 1998.
There are some shocking clips of people driving down streets with 100-foot-tall walls of flame in the burning trees right by the side of the road.
Real Eyes vs. the Flat Earth Firmament
There is indeed a "firmament" but it is not
as the Flat Earthers have defined it.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 02:29:48 PM
How do we get radio frequencies that originate in deep space? They could never get through your dome.
Out-of-this world 'alien' noises heard by scientists came from earth (microwave ovens) (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/575834/out-of-this-world-alien-noises-heard-by-scientists-came-from-much-closer-to-home). The signals don't originate from deep space!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 07, 2016, 07:02:08 PM
Out-of-this world 'alien' noises heard by scientists came from earth (microwave ovens) (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/575834/out-of-this-world-alien-noises-heard-by-scientists-came-from-much-closer-to-home). The signals don't originate from deep space!
Gravock
Well, I was talking about a quasi-stellar radio source, otherwise known as Quasars, the first of which were discovered back in the late 1950's...these emit radio waves and are NOT caused by microwave ovens...ha ha...that was a good laugh.
You will just make up anything to further your idiotic propaganda it seems. Well, carry on...
Bill
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 07, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
Real Eyes vs. the Flat Earth Firmament
There is indeed a "firmament" but it is not
as the Flat Earthers have defined it.
"Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, strong as a molten mirror?" (Job 37:18)
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth... (Amos 9:6)
Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, extended over their heads. (Ezekiel 1:22)
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (Revelation 15:2 KJV)
Gravock
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 07, 2016, 08:35:34 PM
Well, I was talking about a quasi-stellar radio source, otherwise known as Quasars, the first of which were discovered back in the late 1950's...these emit radio waves and are NOT caused by microwave ovens...ha ha...that was a good laugh.
You will just make up anything to further your idiotic propaganda it seems. Well, carry on...
Bill
I've already shown how scientists are easily deceived in where the signals are coming from. Radio waves, microwaves, etc. are all originating from earth and not deep space.
Gravock
Just for SeaMonkey: Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaGOM2bRVs)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 07, 2016, 09:33:33 PM
Just for SeaMonkey: Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaGOM2bRVs)
Gravock
http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf
I. With the periscope, you can measure the bearing to an object on land and determine the range
that object, to determine your position at sea.
II. Using the height of the object being viewed and the height of your periscope above the waterline,
draw a picture of your submarine and periscope, the viewed object, and the curve of the Earth.
III. Draw a line connecting the maximum height of both objects. Discuss how that line is a tangent
to the Earth.
IV. Draw the radius of the Earth to both objects and to the point where the tangent line touches the
Earth.
V. Calculate the missing side lengths of any right triangles, and determine how far you are from the
other object.
VI. Discuss how objects with different heights will be seen from different distances away
Brad
Quote from: tinman on May 07, 2016, 11:34:55 PM
http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf (http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf)
I. With the periscope, you can measure the bearing to an object on land and determine the range
that object, to determine your position at sea.
II. Using the height of the object being viewed and the height of your periscope above the waterline,
draw a picture of your submarine and periscope, the viewed object, and the curve of the Earth.
III. Draw a line connecting the maximum height of both objects. Discuss how that line is a tangent
to the Earth.
IV. Draw the radius of the Earth to both objects and to the point where the tangent line touches the
Earth.
V. Calculate the missing side lengths of any right triangles, and determine how far you are from the
other object.
VI. Discuss how objects with different heights will be seen from different distances away
Brad
The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above. In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.
Gravock
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...
Quote from: seychelles on May 08, 2016, 12:05:10 AM
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...
Please take your Spam somewhere else!
Gravock
Rainbows Prove a Mirrored Dome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o)!
You can't make a rainbow indoors without a mirror. Rainbows are formed naturally outdoors by the mirrored dome that is above us!
Gravock
Quote from: GravityBlock
Just for SeaMonkey: Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature
Actually, that periscopes can be used to sight
surface targets proves that the curvature of the
Earth is rather gentle. The Earth is much larger
than most Flat Earthers are willing to admit.
Periscopes are not able to see over the horizon
and have limited capablity. Submarines do have
Radar however and the ability to link to satellite
imaging.
Submarines are a real adventure. Unforgettable.
Quote from: tinman on May 07, 2016, 12:11:16 PM
As an American,it may be hard to see,due to loving your country--blind is love some times. But from an outsiders point of view,you can clearly see that something is drastically wrong with the 9/11 story.
Brad
Look at NASA, burning TAX money like its FREE, current needed human purpose ................. ??? ??? ??? ??? ?
Kids are born like below, seems to me a better goal to help first all the suffering on this planet!
Yep, its maybe round or flat, we should talk about the string puppets that are not helping out of there job fear, here chicken behind a nickname???
Try to feel again, than maybe you could be a teacher!
Regards, Johan
Quote from: gravityblock on May 07, 2016, 09:12:47 PM
I've already shown how scientists are easily deceived in where the signals are coming from. Radio waves, microwaves, etc. are all originating from earth and not deep space.
Don't you think it is possible to distinguish reflection from transmission?
BTW: Do you think the starlight is transmitted or reflected?
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 12:43:47 AM
Rainbows Prove a Mirrored Dome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o)!
You can't make a rainbow indoors without a mirror. Rainbows are formed naturally outdoors by the mirrored dome that is above us!
Gravock
FALSE again! You are really showing your ignorance and gullibility here. Clearly you have no idea how a real rainbow is produced in nature, nor how to make one yourself.
You have been refuted at every turn. Falsehoods like the above, mistaken interpretations, and simple ignorance of astronomy, aviation, geometry etc. are all you have. And it's hilarious to see you displaying your ignorance as if you are actually _proud_ of it !!!
Keep it up, you are hilarious!
Place a very strong but small source of light in the corner of a big room. Look in the opposite direction from the light source, and use an atomizer to spray a mist of uniform tiny water droplets in the air ahead of you. You will see a real rainbow, at the characteristic rainbow angle, produced by the same mechanism that happens outside in the sunlight. The "mirrors" are the droplets of water themselves, just as when it happens in the sky.
Here are some more ways to "make a rainbow" indoors (actually, a spectrum projected onto a surface rather than a real rainbow that appears to be in the air), some of which use mirrors and others that do not.
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow
FFS, learn some physics why don't you? .... I know why.... you're a windup.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 07, 2016, 11:56:43 PM
The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above. In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.
Gravock
Wrong again! Sketch the problem given in the passage, from your "flat earth" perspective and show this "radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above." You're just full of utter nonsense. Every post you make increases your hilarity and reduces any credibility you may ever have had. Keep it up!
Quote from: seychelles on May 08, 2016, 12:05:10 AM
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...
Heh... it's not a discussion at all. It's a _windup_. Look at all the false claims "gravityblock" has made trying to support his nonsensical belief. I don't even think that HE believes it any more, he's just copy-pasting from the internet postings of people too stupid to even do their own research and experimentation.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 07, 2016, 11:56:43 PM
The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above. In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.
Gravock
It is odd that from my geological location,i can watch the stars make an almost straight line trace over the period of night. One would think if i lived on a flat earth,the stars would at least show a trace of 1/2 a full circle during 12 hours of night.
Brad
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 07:02:36 AM
FALSE again! You are really showing your ignorance and gullibility here. Clearly you have no idea how a real rainbow is produced in nature, nor how to make one yourself.
You have been refuted at every turn. Falsehoods like the above, mistaken interpretations, and simple ignorance of astronomy, aviation, geometry etc. are all you have. And it's hilarious to see you displaying your ignorance as if you are actually _proud_ of it !!!
Keep it up, you are hilarious!
Place a very strong but small source of light in the corner of a big room. Look in the opposite direction from the light source, and use an atomizer to spray a mist of uniform tiny water droplets in the air ahead of you. You will see a real rainbow, at the characteristic rainbow angle, produced by the same mechanism that happens outside in the sunlight. The "mirrors" are the droplets of water themselves, just as when it happens in the sky.
Here are some more ways to "make a rainbow" indoors (actually, a spectrum projected onto a surface rather than a real rainbow that appears to be in the air), some of which use mirrors and others that do not.
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow (http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow)
FFS, learn some physics why don't you? .... I know why.... you're a windup.
Wrong!
The glass and windows are all slightly reflective.
If the back side of the flask is painted with silver or aluminium paint (http://eo.ucar.edu/rainbows/rainbow_ex.html), more of the light will be reflected and the rainbow should be brighter (see images below and the reference link). This clearly shows a mirror is essential in making rainbows. More light being reflected equals a better and brighter rainbow.
No light reflected equals no mirror and no rainbow.
Gravock
Edit: Added the text above that is in bold.
Quote from: verpies on May 08, 2016, 05:58:55 AM
Don't you think it is possible to distinguish reflection from transmission?
BTW: Do you think the starlight is transmitted or reflected?
Apparently the scientists did not try to distinguish reflection from transmission. Their antennas were pointing to the "so-called" deep space, so they wrongly assumed the signals were being transmitted instead of being reflected.
The starlight is transmitted. However, this doesn't mean the transmitted starlight is never reflected between a reflective surface on the earth and the mirror-like firmament dome that is above. The stars are hanged/embedded into the firmament dome, and this mirror-like dome rotates around the stationary flat earth. The luminaries are much closer than what has been taught by TPTB.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on May 08, 2016, 08:35:33 AM
It is odd that from my geological location,i can watch the stars make an almost straight line trace over the period of night. One would think if i lived on a flat earth,the stars would at least show a trace of 1/2 a full circle during 12 hours of night.
Brad
Yeah.. and how is it arranged that it is the middle of the night where you are, at the same time it's the middle of the day where I am? How is it that the stars rise 4 minutes earlier from one night to the next, yet the moon rises 50 minutes later each night? And the 5 naked-eye-visible planets wander around on their own schedules? Is Gravock going to tell us that they are all projected by different programmable projectors, like something in a giant planetarium? Where is this huge, always working, projector located and how is it powered, who operates it, who built it, and why, I wonder? (NOT....)
Anybody who spends a good amount of time looking at the sky in a dark, clear location can see for themselves that we are located on a spinning ball that revolves around a distant sun, and the stars are a _lot_ further away than that sun. It's the simplest and most sensible model that explains what we see, and Gravock might be interested in reading up on the History of Astronomy to see the progression in observation and thought that has happened over the centuries.
But we know he won't do it.
Brad, can you see the Southern Cross and the constellation Octans from your location?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis)
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Wrong!
The glass and windows are all slightly reflective.
If the back side of the flask is painted with silver or aluminium paint (http://eo.ucar.edu/rainbows/rainbow_ex.html), more of the light will be reflected and the rainbow should be brighter (see images below and the reference link). This clearly shows a mirror is essential in making rainbows. More light being reflected equals a better and brighter rainbow.
Gravock
No, I am not wrong, and I have told you how you can make a _real_ mist rainbow indoors if you don't mind getting your floor wet. Any kid with a garden hose can do the same thing outdoors with sunlight.
You've presented a way using mirrors. There are other ways, and what you are doing now (saying the glass and windows slightly reflective) is called "Special Pleading". After all, the mist droplets are acting as mirrors of a kind too, but that's not what you meant when you first made your statement. Learn some optics, why don't you? I know why -- because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Yeah.. and how is it arranged that it is the middle of the night where you are, at the same time it's the middle of the day where I am? How is it that the stars rise 4 minutes earlier from one night to the next, yet the moon rises 50 minutes later each night? And the 5 naked-eye-visible planets wander around on their own schedules? Is Gravock going to tell us that they are all projected by different programmable projectors, like something in a giant planetarium? Where is this huge, always working, projector located and how is it powered, who operates it, who built it, and why, I wonder? (NOT....)
Anybody who spends a good amount of time looking at the sky in a dark, clear location can see for themselves that we are located on a spinning ball that revolves around a distant sun, and the stars are a _lot_ further away than that sun. It's the simplest and most sensible model that explains what we see, and Gravock might be interested in reading up on the History of Astronomy to see the progression in observation and thought that has happened over the centuries.
But we know he won't do it.
Brad, can you see the Southern Cross and the constellation Octans from your location?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis)
Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations and the Southern Cross Explained by the flat earth model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8). This has already been previously posted.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 01:23:17 PM
No, I am not wrong, and I have told you how you can make a _real_ mist rainbow indoors if you don't mind getting your floor wet. Any kid with a garden hose can do the same thing outdoors with sunlight.
You've presented a way using mirrors. There are other ways, and what you are doing now (saying the glass and windows slightly reflective) is called "Special Pleading". After all, the mist droplets are acting as mirrors of a kind too, but that's not what you meant when you first made your statement. Learn some optics, why don't you? I know why -- because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.
Go ahead and try to make a rainbow indoors where there is no light being reflected by it's surrounding environment and we'll see if the mist droplets themselves are acting as tiny mirrors to form a rainbow. No reflected light, equals no mirror, equals no rainbow.
Gravock
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?
how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?
this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.
Quote from: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 01:48:25 PM
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?
how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?
this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.
Spam!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
Spam!
Gravock
Ah, so you are a
Bored Teenager then? That would explain quite a lot. Why don't you do something constructive with your time? Try reading some science books...maybe get a job mowing lawns for people.
How do I know
FOR A FACT that you are just a
Bored Teenager? Why, I just read it on the internet so it has to be true...just like all of the other BS you post as "proof" which in reality was just a posting made by another
Bored Teenager.
Maybe when you grow up, you will come to regret all of the time you wasted as a youth...when you could have been doing something worthwhile.
Bill
Quote from: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 01:48:25 PM
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?
how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?
this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.
See? Here is my proof that you are indeed a
Bored Teenager. End of story, case closed...no need for discussion. I read it on the internet, it is true and everyone here now knows this as a fact.
I am glad we cleared this up.
Bill
spam?
I'm basically asking you why hasn't someone literally caught a plane to this proposed edge of the planet. Why argue all of these logical points when one actually has the ability to see the truth with your own eyes, in person. I doubt it's because bringing this information to light would cause the entire world-navigating planet to reconstruct it's navigation strategy. Ships and Planes seem to arrive at their destinations just fine as it is. It would however remove the need for geosynchronous satellites, so that's cool I guess.
Doing my research, as you have, actually respecting the topic as much as I could bear, I realized there wasn't actually anyone who really believed it it. It was all a sham for kicks. I think you are all alone grav.
Surely you must understand the apprehension most of us have toward ingesting this information, being that it is so easily disprovable in a number of ways.
Quote from: GravityBlock
Quote from: Magneticitist
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?
how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?
this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.
Spam!
Gravock
It would be tempting to presume that Gravity Block actually
believes what he posts in support of a Flat Earth. But, when
his "proofs" are examined scientifically they are found to be
naught more than amateurish spoofs. Ample illustration that
Gravity Block is simply a mere minion within the greater plot
of deception.
Gravity Block knows that he is promoting deception. So then
one wonders what could possibly be his motive?
Ego.
Quote from: TinKoa to Gravity Block
...because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.
TinKoa has, once again, nailed it!
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 02:02:27 PM
Ah, so you are a Bored Teenager then? That would explain quite a lot. Why don't you do something constructive with your time? Try reading some science books...maybe get a job mowing lawns for people.
How do I know FOR A FACT that you are just a Bored Teenager? Why, I just read it on the internet so it has to be true...just like all of the other BS you post as "proof" which in reality was just a posting made by another bored teenager.
Maybe when you grow up, you will come to regret all of the time you wasted as a youth...when you could have been doing something worthwhile.
Bill
More Spam by the bored teenager bots! You don't have a better argument to refute what is being posted? Of course not, so spam is your only option at this time.
Gravock
Quote from: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
spam?
I'm basically asking you why hasn't someone literally caught a plane to this proposed edge of the planet. Why argue all of these logical points when one actually has the ability to see the truth with your own eyes, in person. I doubt it's because bringing this information to light would cause the entire world-navigating planet to reconstruct it's navigation strategy. Ships and Planes seem to arrive at their destinations just fine as it is. It would however remove the need for geosynchronous satellites, so that's cool I guess.
Doing my research, as you have, actually respecting the topic as much as I could bear, I realized there wasn't actually anyone who really believed it it. It was all a sham for kicks. I think you are all alone grav.
Surely you must understand the apprehension most of us have toward ingesting this information, being that it is so easily disprovable in a number of ways.
Gravock calls anything written by anyone that disagrees with him Spam. He has totally redefined the word to suit his needs thereby allowing him to continue to ignore basic facts that are, as you said, easily observable.
Of course, no one else on the planet agree with his redefined definition but hey, that will not stop him from ignorantly plodding on using that word incorrectly.
Bill
I'll meet you halfway. Though we have apparently been deceived as to the geometry of the planet we reside, one such as yourself should still be able to use the tools of math and technology to pin point where exactly our Earth 'ends'. When you work out the length and width, and provide me a GPS coordinate, or even ballpark handwritten map of where I can personally travel to this edge, I promise to one day travel to this edge of Earth and film it in high definition in the presence of 10 credible witnesses. Fair?
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 08, 2016, 02:07:46 PM
Spam!
Gravock
It would be tempting to presume that Gravity Block actually
believes what he posts in support of a Flat Earth. But, when
his "proofs" are examined scientifically they are found to be
naught more than amateurish spoofs. Ample illustration that
Gravity Block is simply a mere minion within the greater plot
of deception.
Gravity Block knows that he is promoting deception. So then
one wonders what could possibly be his motive?
Ego.
TinKoa has, once again, nailed it.
No, I'm exposing a great deception, and in the upcoming days, an even greater deception is coming that is based on this current deception. It is you who is being deceived.
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
More Spam by the bored teenager bots! You don't have a better argument to refute what is being posted? Of course not, so spam is your only option at this time.
Gravock
Ah yes, the classic response of a
Bored Teenager who, after being bombarded with scientific facts, now claims they were spam. So, all of my logical and scientific responses were just spam...I see. Everyone's scientific postings were all spam too I suppose?
How about the fact that the internet that you rely on so much to find junk postings to post as proof, and that you use to make your
Bored Teenager rants here would not work the way it does if the world was flat? Ha ha, the very fact that you are on the internet right now disproves all of your BS theories.
I am glad I thought of this. You just busted yourself just by being here, ha ha!!!!
Bill
Quote from: Pirate
Gravock calls anything written by anyone that disagrees with him Spam. He has totally redefined the word to suit his needs thereby allowing him to continue to ignore basic facts that are, as you said, easily observable.
Of course, no one else on the planet agree with his redefined definition but hey, that will not stop him from ignorantly plodding on using that word incorrectly.
Aye, that is the procedure laid out in the "Play Book."
It is just a game.
But there is some ego gratification involved. Those who
are advocates for the deception get a literal orgasm
when their spoofs are responded to with reason and
emotion. They are "hooked" on a new form of gratification
which is, for them, as addictive as a drug. They delight in
performing service to the Father of the Lie.
@Bill
I remember when some popular music artist was spreading this hoax around heavily and apparently built quite a following... He was constantly bombarded with the type of logic you would expect from people who are aware the earth is not flat. It eventually did become apparent to me that no right minded individual capable of maintaining any form of interaction with society as an adult could truly believe this, and it was most likely a ploy that no one was able to catch... He knew full well it wasn't true but committed to the lie for a couple possible reasons I can think of..
1- a form of 'research study' trying to prove how easily some people can be persuaded to believe a lie simply out of over idolizing whomever they received the information from.
2- making a point about how harsh people can be toward those who are not up to par on the facts, and how there is more ridiculing and belittling than real attempts toward dissuading this person from his/her erroneous views.
personally, i think grav just wants to litter this forum with an over the top ridiculous topic
Quote from: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
I'll meet you halfway. Though we have apparently been deceived as to the geometry of the planet we reside, one such as yourself should still be able to use the tools of math and technology to pin point where exactly our Earth 'ends'. When you work out the length and width, and provide me a GPS coordinate, or even ballpark handwritten map of where I can personally travel to this edge, I promise to one day travel to this edge of Earth and film it in high definition in the presence of 10 credible witnesses. Fair?
Yes, that's fair. The edge can be found in Antarctica. Antarctica is the ice ring surrounding the flat earth.
Gravock
This thread has just been hijacked with meaningless posts by the ballers who can't refute the flat earth model! It's as if they're throwing a temper tantrum because they can't have it their way. ROFLMAO
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 02:24:12 PM
This thread has been hijacked with meaningless posts by those who can't refute the flat earth model!
Gravock
Ummm...it was refuted by the first post made by someone other than you. Since then, it has been totally refuted many, many times. I think you just like the attention this brings you because, even a bored teenager would know simple scientific facts that you just gloss over and ignore.
Does your Mom know you are on here doing this?
Have you figured out how your simple act of using the internet proves the earth is round? It is a no brainer and even you should be able to handle it. You have clearly refuted all of your so-called evidence just by making your first post here.
Ha ha, this is really funny. Actually, if you can't figure out how you have done this...it might be a little sad.
Bill
PS I'll give you a hint...it has to do with a book called: "The Cockoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll
https://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1_5QkqV8EC&source=kp_cover&hl=en (https://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1_5QkqV8EC&source=kp_cover&hl=en)
lol.. silly, antarctica is where the entrance to Agartha is located, don't you know that?
anyway, that's a little too cold, and far, how about you be sporting enough to provide me an edge along what we know as the equator.
As the band plays on.... www.flatearth.goesviral.net, www.AplaneTruth.info . Huge views on Youtube with players like ODD TV, Mark Mullin, DMurphy25, Dan Dimension, Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay. All getting people to Question Everything! I like it!..... Even the President on the US has mentioned it in his speeches many times over the last several years.... Gotta love it.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 01:33:21 PM
Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations and the Southern Cross Explained by the flat earth model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8). This has already been previously posted.
Gravock
You really are hilarious! That is the stupidest video I've seen in a long time. The person who made that video is totally ignorant of astronomy and simply lies when claiming that the Northern and Southern planispheres (sky maps) can be superimposed in that manner, with identical stars showing up near the respective Celestial Poles. For example the Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds cannot be seen at all from most of the Northern Hemisphere but are prominent in the Southern night skies at the right time of year. And there is no star right at the Southern Celestial Pole, but Polaris is very near the NCP. There is no Octans constellation near the NCP but there is at the SCP. There is no Big Dipper pointing to Polaris at the SCP. There is no Southern Cross in the Northern sky. And on and on. Certainly there are some constellations near the Celestial Equator that can be seen from both hemispheres, but not near the Celestial Poles! That video was made by an ignoramus.
So Gravock your best "evidence" for your silly "flat-earth" comes from an old book of mythological fairy tales and some videos made by ignoramuses who can't even get their basic facts straight.
Meanwhile, this morning (in America) Mercury transited the face of the Sun, and this event (sadly not visible from Australia) was observed and recorded in many places. It was too cloudy here in the Southern USA but if the skies had been clear I would have observed it myself, as I observed and photographed the transit of Venus in 2012. Astronomers have used such transits of Mercury and Venus for many years to tell us about the nature of the Solar System. In 1716, the astronomer Edmund Halley proposed a method, using Venus transits, for determining the distance from the Earth to the Sun. They already knew enough at that early date to calculate when these rare transits would occur. So in 1761 and 1769, several international expeditions were mounted to locations where the transits of Venus could be observed precisely in order to make this measurement of the Earth-Sun distance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-18293989
Of course the "flat earthers" will just say that all this history and data is made up, a bunch of lies to fool people into believing... what? For what reason? This is why this is not a "discussion" at all, any more than one can "discuss" religion with a Jehova's Witness, a Mormon, or a Muslim. They are right and skeptics are wrong and there is nothing you can "discuss" that will make them believe otherwise. Or as a popular USA bumper sticker says, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." (And on the other bumper, "Protected by .357 Magnum" or some such.)
There are several good, FREE, planetarium programs that are available for download, that depict the night sky that one would see, without the hassle of clouds or light pollution. These programs even can interface with computerised telescope mounts to point the scope to the same part of the sky that is shown in the program, so the observer can see for him or herself that the program is a faithful representation of what is actually out there.
For Linux users, KStars works quite well. Others, for Linux, Windows, OSX, include Cartes du Ciel and Stellarium.
http://www.deepsky2000.com/cartes.htm
http://www.stellarium.org/
There are even versions that you can put on your tablet or cellphone, that will show you the stars in whatever part of the sky by "aiming" the phone at the sky.
I encourage "flat earthers" to download and explore these programs. You can then see for yourself that the northern and southern skies -- the planispheres talked about in the video above -- are nothing like each other and cannot be overlapped as the ignoramus claimed. I'm pretty sure these "flat earthers" don't have computerized telescopes so they will have to depend on their naked eye or binoculars to check their local night skies to assure themselves that the planetarium programs are telling them what is actually to be seen in the sky.
Quote from: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 02:28:47 PM
lol.. silly, antarctica is where the entrance to Agartha is located, don't you know that?
anyway, that's a little too cold, and far, how about you be sporting enough to provide me an edge along what we know as the equator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCnYcjOvA4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCnYcjOvA4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CytI-FZN4xk
They are working overtime:
Kepler telescope discovers 100 Earth-sized planets
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36256725
It makes me sad for Carl Sagan because he passed away just as the discovery of planets started to take off. And now of course we now know that there are billions and billions of them just in the Milky Way.
Apparently when the James Webb Space Telescope is launched (October 2018) they will be able to use the star transit technique to look for the signature gasses of life on other planets. Although you can't be sure, it will still be a profound moment in world history if they do indeed find that.
And to think when I was growing up I always believed that it would be "impossible" to detect the presence of planets around far away stars.
Quote from: Miles Higher
...when I was growing up...
Gosh Miles, when was that? :o
You mean to say that you're no longer growing up? ;)
I think that you are late for the party. ???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ihs8zvXzWA
author=TinselKoala link=topic=16571.msg483620#msg483620 date=1462820369]
Meanwhile, this morning (in America) Mercury transited the face of the Sun, and this event (sadly not visible from Australia) was observed and recorded in many places. It was too cloudy here in the Southern USA but if the skies had been clear I would have observed it myself, as I observed and photographed the transit of Venus in 2012. Astronomers have used such transits of Mercury and Venus for many years to tell us about the nature of the Solar System. In 1716, the astronomer Edmund Halley proposed a method, using Venus transits, for determining the distance from the Earth to the Sun. They already knew enough at that early date to calculate when these rare transits would occur. So in 1761 and 1769, several international expeditions were mounted to locations where the transits of Venus could be observed precisely in order to make this measurement of the Earth-Sun distance.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-18293989
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Yes--ripped off again :'(
Brad
Flat Earth 747: SOFIA Is The Real Hubble & Chandra Telescope @ 45,000 feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUJNlR4spuM)
Hubble and Chandra doesn't exist, and is nothing but a fairy tale as told by NASA!
Gravock
Flat Earth: Connecting the dots, NASA's space is water! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Cq46LpceI)
"A lot of things swimming in the foreground", as quoted in NASA's fake video of their so-called tether experiment, ROFLMAO! More fairy tales as told by NASA and their co-conspirators (other space agencies)!
Gravock
Flat Earth: Deniers (ballers) pull hair out with both hands! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXnWbyxVr4)
Rim velocity is what matters as found in the Machinery's Handbook, and not RPM!
Gravock
Flat Earth: Impossibilities of Earth's Orbit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMPlWnWY20)
Gravock
It's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.
Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own? You just might learn something.
Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.
Isn't it amazing how "dirty" it is up there in low Earth orbit? You can see it in the tether experiment clip. Good thing I never became an astronaut. I can just see myself floating out there on a space walk and I get whacked by a 10-gram nut at 5000 kilometers per hour that has been up there orbiting since 1968.
If I opened up a pizza parlor I would call my tasty pizzas "globes" because you can charge more for your designer boutique pizza pies.
@TK
QuoteIt's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.
This thread is amazing isn't it?, we have so much potential to do so much real good in this world and yet we see so many people just piss their time away waiting for their end. I once saw the meaning of life as I watched a loved one die, they proclaimed I'm not ready and I wanted to do so much more in their last breath... but they never did. I'm not sure one can truly appreciate our life until it's about to be taken away and then all this petty BS we thought our life was fails to hold the same meaning.
Apparently the author has nothing better to do than sit at a computer all day dreaming up conspiracy theories and howl at the moon... in-fucking-credible, lol.
AC
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 18, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own? You just might learn something.
Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.
Yes, the digital computerized telescopes, etc, are just as fake as the Orlando Pulse shooting! I predict you'll perpetuate the deceptions and lies all the way from the crib to your grave, ROFLMAO!!!
Orion Telescopes & The Fish Eye Lens Exposed - The Flat Earth Reality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJzC51ZIqk)
The False Reality Exposed - Smoke & Mirrors & Greenscreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5CxHEjvvc)
Orlando Shooting Crisis Actors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4922rWCZ890) and here is the full unedited video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IV9wuXID0)
Gravock
Quote from: MileHigh on June 18, 2016, 01:10:39 PM
Isn't it amazing how "dirty" it is up there in low Earth orbit? You can see it in the tether experiment clip. Good thing I never became an astronaut. I can just see myself floating out there on a space walk and I get whacked by a 10-gram nut at 5000 kilometers per hour that has been up there orbiting since 1968.
If I opened up a pizza parlor I would call my tasty pizzas "globes" because you can charge more for your designer boutique pizza pies.
Yes, it's pretty dirty in the swimming pool where the tether experiment was filmed! Since when do things swim in space and why do we see air bubbles rising to the surface while the astronauts are supposedly in space? How does an astrononaut nearly drowns in water while being in space? ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Think of the conspiracy in 2003 to create scorched remnants of the space shuttle Columbia. Then the conspiracy to scatter them all over Texas. Then the conspiracy to have teams search for all of the burnt pieces. Then the conspiracy to create a shooting star effect at the top of the dome. Then the conspiracy to have the orange foam break off during the launch. Then there was the testing conspiracy where they put a piece of foam into a chicken gun and fired it at the wing. Then the conspiracy to do the investigation. Then the conspiracy to write up the report of the investigation.
All seven people that they want you to believe are astronauts now live in a place called Portmeirion.
Quote from: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 12:13:47 PM
Flat Earth: Impossibilities of Earth's Orbit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMPlWnWY20)
Gravock
That clip was brought to you in 100% genuine Retard-o-Vision. "It makes the idiot box look genius!"
Quote from: MileHigh on June 18, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
That clip was brought to you in 100% genuine Retard-o-Vision. "It makes the idiot box look genius!"
She was making fun of you ballers by acting like a stupid blonde because even a retard should know that if the earth is rotating at 1000 mph around it's axis, and orbiting the sun at nearly 67,000 mph while accelerating and decelerating, and shooting through the milky way galaxy at speeds over 500,000 mph that we would easily notice, see, and feel the effects of this. Also, we wouldn't see the same constellations year after year if we were shooting through the milking way at speeds over 500,000 mph. Oh, I forgot, all of the other stars are moving relative to us at the exact same speeds and the exact same relative directions as the speedy earth is, so we see the same constellations year after year and we feel no accelerations and decelerations. ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 18, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
It's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.
Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own? You just might learn something.
Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.
The problem is that I have met many young people that actually believe this shit. They say that their college professors would never lie to them so all of this must be true. All this tells me that ignorance and misinformation has taken over. You approach these people with facts and they say..."I don't believe in those facts." Facts are facts and no believing is needed but that is NOT what they are learning in college.
So, soon the government will announce that they need to raise taxes in order to be able to clean the dome and these idiots will say..."Well, that is something we need to do, my professor said we need to do this."
God help us.
Bill
@GB
QuoteShe was making fun of you ballers by acting like a stupid blonde because even a retard should know that if the earth is rotating at 1000 mph around it's axis, and orbiting the sun at nearly 67,000 mph while accelerating and decelerating, and shooting through the milky way galaxy at speeds over 500,000 mph that we would easily notice, see, and feel the effects of this.
If you have ever take a ride on a jet the first thing you notice is there is no real indication of speed other than the clouds in close proximity. The jet could be going 1000 mph and yet you do not feel anything once the jets speed levels off and it stops accelerating. We can only feel an acceleration and the Earths speed is constant thus we do not feel anything.
QuoteAlso, we wouldn't see the same constellations year after year if we were shooting through the milking way at speeds over 500,000 mph. Oh, I forgot, all of the other stars are moving relative to us at the exact same speeds and the exact same relative directions as the speedy earth is, so we see the same constellations year after year and we feel no accelerations and decelerations. ROFLMAO!!!
Oh good grief, let's say your in a jet going 500 mph at 30,000 feet now look down and you will see the ground is moving past very slowly. Why is that?, well because you are very far away from the ground thus it appears to move very slow versus when we are close to the ground. Now how far away do you think those stars are?, well there billions and billions of miles away thus they never appear to move... uhm because there so far away.
Have you ever seen a train Billy?, close up it appears to move very fast but far away it appears to be moving very slowly. Have you ever been hit by a train Billy?, because you seem to have brain damage and cannot seem to understand even the simplest things most children do.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on June 18, 2016, 06:06:00 PM
@GB
If you have ever take a ride on a jet the first thing you notice is there is no real indication of speed other than the clouds in close proximity. The jet could be going 1000 mph and yet you do not feel anything once the jets speed levels off and it stops accelerating. We can only feel an acceleration and the Earths speed is constant thus we do not feel anything.
Oh good grief, let's say your in a jet going 500 mph at 30,000 feet now look down and you will see the ground is moving past very slowly. Why is that?, well because you are very far away from the ground thus it appears to move very slow versus when we are close to the ground. Now how far away do you think those stars are?, well there billions and billions of miles away thus they never appear to move... uhm because there so far away.
Have you ever seen a train Billy?, close up it appears to move very fast but far away it appears to be moving very slowly. Have you ever been hit by a train Billy?, because you seem to have brain damage and cannot seem to understand even the simplest things most children do.
AC
You conveniently referenced the 1000 mph constant velocity of the earth's axial rotation instead of referencing the orbital speed of the earth as it accelerates and decelerates around the sun. The earth speeds up as it approaches the sun and slows down as it moves away from the sun. The Earth travels around the sun in an ellipse. If the Earth were to orbit the sun in a circle, the Earth's speed around the sun would be constant. However, this isn't the case! In addition to this, let me spin you around at a 1000 mph and see if you'll get dizzy and thrown outwards by the centrifugal force. Spin an aquarium at low speeds and watch what happens to the water. The water will be thrown outwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8IwL2ZtDTc) (see image below), and the water on the earth is no different. The water on the earth isn't thrown outwards and finds it's own level. In a rotating earth, the water would be thrown outwards and wouldn't find it's own level (see image below of a rotating container of water at a low speed)!!! I must reiterate, it's the rim velocity that matters and not the RPM. Also, the rim velocity is independent of the rim radius.
In addition to this, according to the globe model, the earth rotates 1000 mph at the equator, and rotates slower above and below the equator. Thus, you would feel either an acceleration or deceleration as a plane approaches or moves away from the equator at 500+ mph. However, this isn't the case because the earth isn't rotating on it's axis.
Gravock
Quote from: webby1 on June 18, 2016, 07:48:00 PM
360 degrees per 24 hours,, 360 degrees per second,, I wonder which one has a faster\stronger constant force of acceleration towards or away from the axle?
Now rotate that aquarium at 1 revolution per day and see how far the water moves,, it will move but how far?
The velocity at the equator of the fake ball earth with 1 revolution per day is about 1000 mph. Rotate an aquarium with a rim velocity of 1000 mph and see how far the water will move. Like I said a few times already, rim velocity, which is independent of the rim radius has nothing to do with angular velocity which depends on radius. The disruptive force on the earth's water is related to the rim velocity of 1,000 mph at the equator and not the angular velocity of .000694 rpm (1 revolution per day) of the earth. RPM and angular velocity is totally meaningless and deceptive in regards to this disruptive force. I suggest you watch the previous video on rim velocity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXnWbyxVr4) as previously posted, or at least read and understand the text in the snapshot below.
Gravock
Quote from: webby1 on June 18, 2016, 07:48:00 PM
What would the purpose of the Earth being a flat disc be? Would it of been produced by some outside entity?
Let's rephrase that question!
What would the purpose of the earth being a round spherical globe be? Would it of been to hide some outside entity? Of course!!! All through out the history of mankind, man has believed the earth to be a stationary immovable round flat disc supported by pillars with a dome above it based on ancient manuscripts and observations of the sky, until the last 500 years. Then NASA and TPTB perpetuated the deception and lies with their fake CGI images of the earth, along with fake satellites, fake science, etc.
Gravock
Quote from: webby1 on June 18, 2016, 09:00:44 PM
I will actually choose to run with my own test I have carried out over the years.
Velocity is a VERY relative value,, and it is very easy to get confused.
I would suggest that you do some simple tests and calculations that the tests will confirm,,
A large diameter wheel and some string and a spring and a weight,, PI is close enough to calculate the velocity of the "rim" distance.
What you will find is that there are several ways of looking at what is what,, bottom line the larger the diameter the smaller the radians per second to hit the same velocity. 2pi/360
Now make your aquarium have a length the same as the diameter of the Earth,, how fast must you rotate the aquarium to have a "rim" velocity of 1000MPH?,, one revolution per day maybe.
CP/CF,, the water spins out and away CF,, gravity pulls it back in CP,, CF pushes the water out to the edge of the tank,, CP is the tank wall pushing the water back in.
These I play with all the time,, and there are actually conditions where "rim" velocity is considered,, it can rip a flywheel apart,, especially when the mass is out at the edge.
I will go back to what I said,, velocity is very relative,, as such the "rim" velocity to a spoke holding that rim is zero.
According to the table in the Machinery's Handbook on safe speeds, the bigger the object, the slower the safe spin! If a 10 ft. jet engine fan made of metal can barely survive 1000 mph, do you honestly believe sand and water inside a rotating aquarium the size of the earth with a rim velocity of 1000 mph can do better?
Gravock
Hmmmm!
What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak
Jus sayin!
partzman
Quote from: webby1 on June 18, 2016, 09:05:32 PM
That I do believe was when certain religions came to be,, not throughout all of mans time on the planet,, and not all of mankind.
Before those certain religions, a large chunk of mankind believed that the Earth was round,, and now even those religions believe the Earth to be round,, so it has come full circle.
Mainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer. No, it has not come full circle yet! People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.
Gravock
If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation. If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds. Either way, the earth can't be rotating.
A Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ). At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it". That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction. ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
@GB
QuoteMainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer.
There you go little fella... doesn't that feel better getting that off your chest?. You may believe in a god and your believing somehow makes you not unlike a god relative to us non-believing filthy heathens.
I don't know why religious people try to hide their beliefs around normal folks and it always seems like their coming out of the closet or something. Maybe they are afraid they may lack credibility just because they believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days versus real facts. Why I knew a person who was pestering me about a lack of facts concerning free energy but apparently their belief in a bearded white dressed man-god wasn't a problem...WTF?.
You see in real life as in the here and now and stuff we can prove there should be some kind of equality. Not I happen to believe in imaginary things so I can just believe and do whatever the fuck I want without consequence because he/she/it is on my side. It just seems a little off-side, a little I'm a nut job and you have to accept it with a dash of schizo on the side.
QuoteNo, it has not come full circle yet! People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.
Oh the ancient manuscripts, I don't believe I have seen those, were they on Fox news?... I don't have cable. I mean if the Earth is flat I should have wicked reception on the old rabbit ears but no... apparently I still get a shitty signal. Stupid rabbit ears, is there anything about the use of tin foil in the ancient manuscripts?.
AC
Quote from: PartzMan
Hmmmm!
What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak
Jus sayin!
Apparently it is difficult for many to comprehend just how massive
Planet Earth is. Ten miles above its surface is minuscule compared
to the diameter of the Planet. The altitude at which the gentle
curvature of the massive Planet is discernible is much, much higher
than that.
What Piccard saw from his balloon is very common and easily
explained by the Earth's atmosphere coupled with the enormous
size of our Home Planet. The curvature is very, very gentle.
Now I shall reveal how SeaMonkey knows this...
Because he probably sailed completely around the globe (as have I) and
never fell off the edge.
:)
"She again deployed to the Western Pacific and completed a second "Around-the-World" cruise in 1987."
-- Wikipedia
@GB
QuoteIf the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation. If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds. Either way, the earth can't be rotating.
One little problem, the stars move across the horizon each night do they not?. Now if all objects appear to move slower as they get farther away which we know then all the stars farther away must move progressively faster than the ones closer as they all move across the horizon at the same speed. So either all the stars in the heavens billions upon billions of miles away move faster as they get further away just for your personal entertainment or the Earth is rotating. Now which do you think is more likely?.
So how exactly would all the stars move across the horizon each night as we obviously know they do with a flat non-rotating Earth?.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ)QuoteA Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth[/size]. At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it". That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction. ROFLMAO!!![/size] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ)
I think this raises an important question, should you believe a Saudi Cleric with a grade four education and an IQ probably smaller than their shoe size simply because they are a Saudi Cleric?. You know I read about a cleric who liked to smoke pot and bugger little boys and he was in fact a cleric... so should you smoke pot and bugger little boys every chance you get just because he did?. Well no that is silly, in fact one could say stupid, so why should we believe any person in a position of authority may have more intelligence than a person who has devoted their life to finding unbiased facts?.
Personally I love facts because if you ever put me in a room with the Saudi Cleric in that video I would tear him apart piece by piece until he was crying like a fucking two year old school girl... not a problem. You see I don't care who he thinks he is, where he lives, what he believes or what he owns. Logic and reason are my tools and they are the ultimate equalizer because we can have a net worth of $2, believe almost nothing and be nobody yet walk into a room full of people and literally destroy any fucking credibility another person may think they have. I think that's pretty darn cool and you should be happy we will probably never meet in person. Because if we ever did meet in person my friend I would hope you are intelligent enough to know the outcome... for real.
So yes have fun with it, play your silly games and mix it up a bit... whatever starts your tractor.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 02:39:16 AM
@GB
One little problem, the stars move across the horizon each night do they not?. Now if all objects appear to move slower as they get farther away which we know then all the stars farther away must move progressively faster than the ones closer as they all move across the horizon at the same speed. So either all the stars in the heavens billions upon billions of miles away move faster as they get further away just for your personal entertainment or the Earth is rotating. Now which do you think is more likely?.
So how exactly would all the stars move across the horizon each night as we obviously know they do with a flat non-rotating Earth?.
You obviously haven't read the thread. There's a rotating dome above the stationary round flat earth and the stars are embedded into the dome, thus all the stars move across the horizon each night.
Gravock
Quote from: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 02:39:16 AM
I think this raises an important question, should you believe a Saudi Cleric with a grade four education and an IQ probably smaller than their shoe size simply because they are a Saudi Cleric?. You know I read about a cleric who liked to smoke pot and bugger little boys and he was in fact a cleric... so should you smoke pot and bugger little boys every chance you get just because he did?. Well no that is silly, in fact one could say stupid, so why should we believe any person in a position of authority may have more intelligence than a person who has devoted their life to finding unbiased facts?.
Personally I love facts because if you ever put me in a room with the Saudi Cleric in that video I would tear him apart piece by piece until he was crying like a fucking two year old school girl... not a problem. You see I don't care who he thinks he is, where he lives, what he believes or what he owns. Logic and reason are my tools and they are the ultimate equalizer because we can have a net worth of $2, believe almost nothing and be nobody yet walk into a room full of people and literally destroy any fucking credibility another person may think they have. I think that's pretty darn cool and you should be happy we will probably never meet in person. Because if we ever did meet in person my friend I would hope you are intelligent enough to know the outcome... for real.
So yes have fun with it, play your silly games and mix it up a bit... whatever starts your tractor.
AC
If logic and reason are your tools and is the ultimate equalizer, then why the need for physical threats as shown in the bold text above? ROFLMAO!!! I must be doing something right. ;D Intimidation and threats won't work with me! You ballers really stoop low because you can't defend the globe and can't successfully refute the flat earth, so you resort to a cave man type of mentality. ROFLMAO! What ever floats your boat king kong (AC)...
Gravock
Quote from: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 12:10:53 AM
@GB
There you go little fella... doesn't that feel better getting that off your chest?. You may believe in a god and your believing somehow makes you not unlike a god relative to us non-believing filthy heathens.
I don't know why religious people try to hide their beliefs around normal folks and it always seems like their coming out of the closet or something. Maybe they are afraid they may lack credibility just because they believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days versus real facts. Why I knew a person who was pestering me about a lack of facts concerning free energy but apparently their belief in a bearded white dressed man-god wasn't a problem...WTF?.
You see in real life as in the here and now and stuff we can prove there should be some kind of equality. Not I happen to believe in imaginary things so I can just believe and do whatever the fuck I want without consequence because he/she/it is on my side. It just seems a little off-side, a little I'm a nut job and you have to accept it with a dash of schizo on the side.
AC
You (king kong) and a few others here have been trying to turn this topic into a religious discussion, which is against the forum rules. It appears the intention is to get this thread locked or removed. Regardless, it is you ballers that have been indoctrinated into believing a bunch of fairy tales, deceptions, and lies by NASA, TPTB, fake/false science, the educational system, the news media, hollywood, the music industry, etc.
Gravock
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 12:22:24 AM
Apparently it is difficult for many to comprehend just how massive
Planet Earth is. Ten miles above its surface is minuscule compared
to the diameter of the Planet. The altitude at which the gentle
curvature of the massive Planet is discernible is much, much higher
than that.
What Piccard saw from his balloon is very common and easily
explained by the Earth's atmosphere coupled with the enormous
size of our Home Planet. The curvature is very, very gentle.
Webby, in reply #256, claims to have seen the curvature of the earth from planes, hot air balloons, from the top of mountains, and even out on the open ocean. You claim the altitude at which the gentle curvature of the earth is discernible is much, much higher than a hot air balloon, top of mountains, and out on the open ocean. Your claim and Webby's claims are contrary to each other! You ballers are debunking yourselves, ROFLMAO!!! You wouldn't need to reach an altitude which allows one to see the entire diameter of the planet in order to see a curvature of the earth as you falsely assert, LOL. The fact is, the curvature of the fake ball earth would be approximately 8 inches per mile squared, and this curvature would be very much discernible as seen over long distances, even out on the open ocean.
Gravock
Quote from: Dog-One on June 19, 2016, 01:51:10 AM
Now I shall reveal how SeaMonkey knows this...
Because he probably sailed completely around the globe (as have I) and
never fell off the edge.
:)
"She again deployed to the Western Pacific and completed a second "Around-the-World" cruise in 1987."
-- Wikipedia
You can also sail completely around the flat earth and never fall off the edge. This is a no-brainer, lol.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
You obviously haven't read the thread. There's a rotating dome above the stationary round flat earth and the stars are embedded into the dome, thus all the stars move across the horizon each night.
Gravock
Only someone who has never actually observed the sky and how stars appear to move could possibly make that statement. I really (almost) feel sorry for you.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 04:34:45 AM
Only someone who has never actually observed the sky and how stars appear to move could possibly make that statement. I really (almost) feel sorry for you.
That's a CGI photo, LOL. Now, show me a real time lapse video of the star trails. I know they exist, for real...so why reference a fake CGI photo? I hope you realize the star trails is proof for a rotating dome over a stationary round flat earth! Good night...
Gravock
I think , this guy has figured it out :) He has a brain!!! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto
Quote from: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 04:41:08 AM
That's a CGI photo, LOL. Now, show me a real time lapse video of the star trails. I know they exist, for real...so why reference a fake CGI photo? I hope you realize the star trails is proof for a rotating dome over a stationary round flat earth! Good night...
Gravock
You are so wrong it's not even funny. Explain how a star trail image taken in the Southern Hemisphere-- say from South Australia -- shows a center of rotation in the constellation Octans, but one taken in the Northern Hemisphere shows a center of rotation around (very near) the star Polaris.
The image I posted (but removed because I considered that you don't even deserve to see it) is NOT CGI. Here is the link to the page where the image is reproduced, with details of how it was taken.
http://www.astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/TRIPOD/TRIPOD2.HTM
http://www.astropix.com/IMAGES/I_ASTROP/TRIPOD/METEORST.JPG
Quote[size=-1]The straight diagonal streak in the upper left of this photo is a meteor. The curved streaks are the trails of stars that were recorded during the 5.5 hour time exposure on a fixed tripod with an 18mm f/3.5 lens at ISO 64.
Star trails from Teide Observatory on Tenerife in the Canary Islands:
http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/photos.asp?ID=3003972
Explain that with your "rotating dome" fantasy. Oh.... right.... you'll say it's CGI, another fake photo. It's useless even to argue with you because your response to anything that refutes you is "it's fake", in spite of any and all evidence. But I'll keep doing it anyway, not because I think you'll ever change, but just to watch you continue to put your foot in your mouth over and over.
Quote[/size][/font]A long exposure photo sequence with an ultra wide-angle lens has captured nearly an entire night over the Teide Observatory on the high slopes of Mount Teide, Tenerife, Canary islands. The Earth rotation appears in form of the rotating sky above us. Long exposure night-time images capture this motion in form of star trails around the celestial poles. Here the north celestial pole is on the left, marked by star Polaris, only a degree away from the north direction of the Earth rotation axis. On the right end star trails over the southern horizon are curved around the southern celestial pole (under the horizon of this northern hemisphere location). Juan Carlos Casado, Starryearth.com
You really need to do some studying and learn some real astronomy, instead of filling your brain with all that bullshit "Flat Earth" nonsense.
Quote from: John.K1 on June 19, 2016, 05:36:38 AM
I think , this guy has figured it out :) He has a brain!!! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto)
A brain made of oatmeal?
No amount of scientific reasoning or evidence can affect that attitude.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 06:25:50 AM
A brain made of oatmeal?
No amount of scientific reasoning or evidence can affect that attitude.
The trouble is the idea was invented by Hitler's young Nazi's during the last WW another disrupting idea was the Common market and globalisation so much for the song the age of Aquarius. (happiness and understanding) all Paper hats of course.
"Flat earth" is sooo old, it is "hollow earth":
http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html)
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-hollow-earth-is-filled-with-giants-germans-and-a-little-sun (http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-hollow-earth-is-filled-with-giants-germans-and-a-little-sun)
http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html (http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html)
Chosen ones can go to inner earth, "flat earthers" have no chance to be chosen!
I am not allowed to tell you whether I have been to inner earth, it is a secret.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 03:26:30 AM
the intention is to get this thread locked or removed.
Gravock
yes this thread must be locked and removed
gravko arrête ton délire redescend sur terre ( plate , carré , en losange ... )
peux tu expliquer ou se trouve le centre de gravité de la terre plate ?
si l'on applique les lois de la gravite avec ta pseudo terre plate on devrait tous ramper comme des serpents
pour pouvoir se déplacer !
donc le modèle standard de la physique ne fonctionne pas avec ta pseudo terre plate
aussi avant de continuer avec ton delirium tremens de terre plate présente un modèle mathématique
compatible avec tes croyances d'un idioties incommensurables qui dégradent considérablement le niveau
de ce forum !
hi ! harti can you do something for him ?
@GB
QuoteIf logic and reason are your tools and is the ultimate equalizer, then why the need for physical threats as shown in the bold text above? ROFLMAO!!! I must be doing something right. [/size] Intimidation and threats won't work with me! You ballers really stoop low because you can't defend the globe and can't successfully refute the flat earth, so you resort to a cave man type of mentality. ROFLMAO! What ever floats your boat king kong (AC)...
If logic and reason are my tools then why would you think I would make a physical threat which I did not?. I was always implying that when persons debate an issue face to face the outcome is generally very different. It is very easy to hide behind a group of people such as a religion or a computer screen in this forum but justifying a belief in person with only the facts face to face is a very different story.
Imagine you and I were on a stage debating this issue in front of hundreds of real people, you can't honestly believe you would have any credibility could you?. The same goes for your cleric and while he may seem smart to his followers most any Canadian high school science student could tear apart his argument limb from limb making him look pretty stupid in reality. Authority does not define the truth reality does.
I'm just saying reality is very different than the political/religious BS many try to peddle on the internet.
@Tagor
Quoteyes this thread must be locked and removed
I would strongly disagree because your implying we should just do away with any debate simply because you do not agree with the subject matter. I think most are just irritated because GB's debating skills seem to be superior to most here even if the subject matter is ridiculous. My theory is that if you believe something then at the very least you should be able to justify it to others... such as open debate.
Burying your problems in a hole is not a real solution. We should confront our own demons not run and hide under the bed. Will people run and hide when others say Free Energy is just a scam?, will you block real debate against free energy or act like a responsible adult and defend your beliefs?.
AC
Gravock's "argument" boils down to "It's all faked" whenever anyone presents evidence against his claims. Whereas the "evidence" he presents in support is a mishmash of fails, misinterpretations and anecdotes and even outright lies. Show him images of stars in space.... it's fake, CGI. Astronauts: liars, every one of them from every country with a space program. Foucault Pendulum -- fake, little motors up there driving its rotation. Tell him about hundreds of thousands of computerized telescope mounts that can locate and track objects, software based on a spherical Earth.... they are all fake. Flights to and across the South Pole... fake, bunch of lies of course. How can you expect to actually have a debate under those circumstances? You could take him along with you in the Twin Otter on the rescue flight to the South Pole station and he'd explain it away by saying you did it all in some huge NASA simulator.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/emergency-rescue-launched-ill-worker-south-pole
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/16/a-rare-risky-mission-is-underway-to-rescue-sick-scientists-from-the-south-pole/
It's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion". ::)
Quote from: poynt99 on June 19, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
It's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion". ::)
That's exactly what I said many pages back. It does not really bode well for the future of humanity does it? There are many college kids in my town (a college town) that believe this crap. Very sad really.
I have tried talking to a few of them but it is always..."But my professor said..."
I usually end the discussion by saying that their professor is an idiot, Which, of course, is true and provable.
Bill
@Poynt99
QuoteIt's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion".
I find it very easy to believe and very interesting. Let's do a thought experiment, let's imagine billions of people embraced GB's belief that the Earth is flat and was "Created" by intelligent design.
Then maybe these billions of people who believe may start dictating government policy "forcing" their beliefs on me and the people I know. They might slowly start re-writing all the textbooks forcing their beliefs on our children, they might teach all our children their beliefs without question and deny other beliefs, they may force us to comply with their policy or laws due to their beliefs. Maybe abortion is outlawed even when people are raped by psychopaths, maybe people will have to endure years of pain and suffering because their imaginary Creator believes no one should take a life under any circumstances. Maybe they will preach tolerance but in effect teach bigotry, racism and inclusion in their own beliefs.
Maybe they may tell me I should not question their beliefs in the Created Flat Earth because it upsets them even though I find the fact they are in effect forcing their beliefs on me every day through their own actions very disturbing and upsetting. All they while they claim to be benign when in fact, in reality, they may do great harm to others solely because they personally believe in a Created Flat Earth.
It is an interesting thought experiment isn't it?, that so many could conceivably believe in GB's imaginary Created Flat Earth or "dome of bliss" and the very real effects their beliefs could have on all of us. Very interesting and somehow very familiar to many of us, in fact not really that far fetched at all.
AC
Such is the nature of the PsyOp. They invariably reveal
the nearly unbelievable extent of gullibility which resides
in the minds of the masses. :'(
P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct. ::)
PsyOps are designed to evaluate the influence of Authority,
whether real or perceived, over the belief systems of the
targeted peoples. They are a test of Power over the Mind. :o
No, it does not bode well. This deplorable "state of mind" has
been the goal of the Educational System unfortunately. :(
The War against Truth is getting hot. Stand firm! 8)
Yeah! only one way to get to the 'inner earth you talk about is down the Bush Roth rabbit hole ! and the sad part is we have people with sick minds ruling the planet and in control of devices that want to annihilate the planet ;)
@Seamonkey
QuoteSuch is the nature of the [/size]PsyOp[/size]. They invariably reveal[/size]the nearly unbelievable extent of gullibility which residesin the minds of the masses.
Here is another thought experiment, what if GB is acting?, what if he is a psychology grad student and this thread his thesis. However what could he be studying, observing, documenting?. I have seen many people with many unproven beliefs jump in and condemn GB displaying their true intolerant nature... could this be it?. It would seem to me many here who claim to be oppressed, judged or ridiculed have resorted to the carnivorous behavior we tend see in places like the U.S.A or Iran where they tend to eat their own.
As if to say you have no right to judge me in any way and I will not tolerate it. However it is perfectly acceptable for me to judge you in any way I please and GB has been judged. Intolerance is defined as the unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own and it is alive and well here my friends.
Me I like to stir the pot every now and then to see what happens and it has been stirred and that which came from the bottom seems to have a certain foul stench about it. Burn the witch, burn the witch, close the thread, close it now, LOL, thank you gentlemen for displaying your true colors for all to see.
AC
Quote from: AllCanadian
... what if GB is acting?
Interesting question. It is no coincidence that all participants
in government operations are called "Actors." :o
There is much deception and propaganda at the root of nearly
all governmental actions upon the World Stage; particularly so
with PsyOps. ::)
You are awake with open eyes AC. Congratulations! ;)
Many of the PsyOp plans include "false flag" events which are
violent and bloody.
The Psychopaths in power are getting very, very desperate.
The other term used within private circles is:
"Change Agent"
Be wary of them. They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.
Stationary Atmosphere Over A Flat Non Rotating Earth Mentioned In 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI-EXF8uFc) (Video)
1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf) (PDF Document) <------Snapshots shown below for quick reference and convenience.
Gravock
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o
You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced. The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D. Just in case one day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place. 8)
No Stone is Left Unturned...
And Yes, NASA is Military.
Quote from: Dog-One
The other term used within private circles is:
"Change Agent"
Be wary of them. They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.
Aye, you've said it well. They are often engaged in exercises which
gauge the "compliance" of the intellectually astute. Certain forums
are targeted more than others to narrow the information gathered.
It's a "sales technique" practiced universally - engage the victim and
prolong engagement with the goal of eventual overload fatigue followed
by capitulation.
They have no idea how they're being "played" and very little comprehension
of the PLAN and AGENDA which supports their lifestyle. They're in it because
it offers a sense of Power by Association and it pays well.
It is very doubtful that GB is an "innocent sucker" who's being taken for a
ride...
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 08:58:57 PM
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o
You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced. The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D. Just in case one day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place. 8)
No Stone is Left Unturned...
And Yes, NASA is Military.
The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth" and not a non rotating flat planet, thus the linear model isn't for the purpose of a future encounter with such a place. Also, the publication says "the lack of documentation and, occasionally, understanding of the derivation of linear models is a hindrance to communication, training, and application". If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of linear models? It's because the earth is not rotating and is flat!!!
Gravock
Quote from: GB
The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth"
Why, of course it does. :o
We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)
There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study. Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy. Start Basic and grow into the
Complex. Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)
Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 10:05:06 PM
Why, of course it does. :o
We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)
There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study. Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy. Start Basic and grow into the
Complex. Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)
Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)
If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of a theoretical linear model for the flat non rotating earth? It can only be because the true model is a linear model for the flat non rotating earth. The linear models fit our present reality and isn't some theoretical rotating globe model that hinders communications, etc.!
Gravock
Quote from: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 12:08:25 PM
@Tagor
I would strongly disagree because your implying we should just do away with any debate simply because you do not agree with the subject matter. I think most are just irritated because GB's debating skills seem to be superior to most here even if the subject matter is ridiculous. My theory is that if you believe something then at the very least you should be able to justify it to others... such as open debate.
AC
can you realy debate with flat earther ?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-historic-experiment-shows-why-we-might-not-want-to-de-1627339811
Quote
In 1870 a man proved that the Earth was round. He wasn't the first to prove it, and he wasn't even proving anything out of the mainstream. But that didn't keep a fanatic from spending the next 20 years ruining his life.
The Bedford Level Experiment
Alfred Russel Wallace spent much of the first half of the 1800s making a modest living as a surveyor. His income did not cover his many scientific pursuits (at which he showed great talent) or his few financial pursuits (at which he showed no talent at all). When he saw an announcement in Zetetic Astronomy pledging 500 pounds to the person who could prove the world was round, he thought it was easy money. The term "zetetic" is derived from a Greek word and means, roughly, "I will find out for myself." Finding out for oneself is great in theory. In practice, when people try to find things out for themselves they often make mistakes without realizing it.
When Wallace looked into the announcement in detail, he saw that one contributor to the publication, who went by the name of "Parallax," was making a lot of mistakes. The Old Bedford River had a six-mile drainage canal marked at each end by a bridge. The canal was so long and straight that, if the world were round, a boat at one end would not be visible to a boat on the other end. They would each be hidden from each other by the curve of the Earth. Parallax — whose real name was Samuel Rowbotham — often took people out on the water and showed them the boats at the other end of the canal. The world, therefore, was flat. Wallace had enough experience with surveying to know that density gradients in air, which are common just above water, can bend light back down towards the ground. Parallax and his guests were seeing a mirage.
If Rowbotham had been the one offering the money, Wallace might have claimed his prize without a problem. It didn't take Wallace long to come up with a better way of showing the curvature of the Earth. He would put a series of disks up on poles along the water. He would then stand on one bridge, and look back at the disks. If he was right, the disks towards the middle of the canal would look slightly higher than the rest of the disks, and the disk at the far end would look slightly lower. He would basically be putting dots along the canal that traced the curve of the Earth. When Wallace set the whole thing up he, his flat-Earth opponent, and their agreed-upon referee did see exactly what Wallace expected to see. The middle disk was slightly higher, and the far disk was slightly lower.
Sadly, it was not Rowbotham offering the cash. Instead, it was a nasty little psycho called John Hampden. Hampden saw what everyone else saw, but he also saw something else. He saw cross hairs on the telescope that the three were using to look at the disks. He saw that the middle disk was a certain distance below the cross hairs. And he saw that the far disk was that same distance below the middle signal. (So if the middle disk were a quarter inch below the cross hairs, the far disk was a quarter inch below the middle disk, and a half inch below the cross hairs.) For some reason, Hampden decided that this must mean that the disks were in a straight line, whether one appeared higher than the other or not. No one could convince him otherwise, including the referee, who consulted the actual makers of the telescope and surveying equipment just to make sure that Hampden's observation wasn't relevant. Not only did Hampden not accept the decision, he embarked on a 21-year campaign of harassment, threats, and libel that ruined Wallace's life.
The Fanatic's Revenge
First, Wallace was obliged to give back the money. Hampden, despite issuing the bet in the first place, took him to court and claimed that two people were not qualified to settle whether or not the world was round or flat. Hampden then started publishing insulting letters in publications. When he moved on to death threats, which he charmingly sent to Wallace's wife, he was put in prison. (Note to nutters: If you write, "If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home... with every bone in his head smashed to a pulp, you will know the reason," don't sign it with your own name.) Eventually the harassment became a cycle. Hampden would publish libelous claims and send Wallace threats. Wallace would take Hampden to court and Hampden would be forced to recant, briefly imprisoned, and barred from writing anything about Wallace for a few months. The day after the months were up, he'd be back at it.
It only ended with Hampden's death. His fellow flat-Earthers never changed their mind about his position, although to be fair some changed their mind in regards to Hampden's character. Wallace spent two decades fighting libelous claims and accruing court costs, and nearly went bankrupt. He even got some flack from the legitimate scientific community. A globular Earth was the mainstream view; few people had ever espoused the flat-Earth philosophy. Scientists felt like Wallace's acceptance of the challenge provided publicity for the fanatics.
There are still flat-Earthers today. There are any number of deniers, conspiracy theorists, and generalized nuts today. While, much of the time, a person who jumps into the fray and debates a subject honestly is a hero — there is plenty of history to show us that steering clear can be the wiser course. Being right, sometimes, isn't enough.
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.
If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.
In inner earth there is an endless supply of diamonds and rare metals, which are used to pay the controlled ruling class of outer earth and of course the flat earthers.
Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.
The best way to hide a conspiracy (namely the ruling of planet earth from inner earth) is to propagate a false conspiracy (namely flat earth).
How to go to inner earth:
Just wait, if you are worthy, you will be invited in.
If you are a victim of the flat earth cobspiracy, you still might be invited in (in case your personality is right).
If you are an agent of "flat earth" you might come from inner earth (but of course, you would never admit it).
Most flat earth agents are not from inner earth, they are just servants of the ruling class.
Greetings, Conrad
Conrad,
Probably not many will comprehend what you've written
but you have indeed captured the essence of the
AGENDA at work in our World in its Final Days.
No, the Planet will not be destroyed when The End
arrives. Just the exceedingly wicked and evil system
of corruption and exploitation which has come to Rule
over the Planet.
Needless to say, those Bad Boys will not go down without
a fight; therefore a massive final battle is the PLAN.
Yes, those who have the Power know that their time is short.
@tagor
Quotecan you realy debate with flat earther ?
Metaphorically speaking yes and we do it nearly every day in regards to religion, politics, economics and science.
A majority of people believe in a god which created everything which uses nearly the same kind of false justification as flat earther's because they have never had any real proof in hand of anything. Why we may as well be debating whether a bigfoot riding a unicorn prefers western or side saddle?. Look at Donald Trump a narcissistic, bigot, racist, known to be a compulsive liar who may be the next president of the united states, a barbarian. If this isn't a very good indication that the flat earth mentality is alive and well in this day and age then what is?.
Look at economics and the fact 1% hold 99% of the worlds wealth and yet the common man champions capitalism and the mega corporation mentality. Why not just get down on your knee's and beg like a dog to be a slave because in effect that is exactly what is going to happen. Corporate monopolies have become the norm and they are growing so uhm... how exactly do you think this story is going to end my friend?. Then we have science and the pursuit of truth. However not unlike religion it can only be the truth if it is the same truth and not something different. Which is a way of saying they think it's great you have an opinion so long as it's the same as theirs otherwise you must be wrong or mentally challenged in some way.
So yes in a sense we debate with the knuckle dragging flat earther's every single day and most of them think their rocket scientists. They got it all figured out, all under control and nobody, nobody, is going to tell them any different. Me I'm fluid, I'm on the fence watching the spectacle of it all waiting for Rome to burn and burn it will.
We are Rome, http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on June 21, 2016, 03:18:37 AM
@tagor
AC
yes there is a lot of flatearther , not only flat but also very empty
I think the Earth is a cube!
Quote from: conradelektro on June 20, 2016, 05:32:24 AM
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.
You ballers always invert the truth. It's more like the globe PySop is controlled and financed by the globalists (TPTB).
Quote from: conradelektro on June 20, 2016, 05:32:24 AM
If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.
You're wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth. The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply. Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB. The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and flat surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere. In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years. However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.
Quote from: conradelektro on June 20, 2016, 05:32:24 AM
Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.
Another inversion of the truth. It's more like the globalists (ballers) are part of the controlled ruling class of earth.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 11:13:20 AM
Your wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth. The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply. Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB. The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere. In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years. However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.
Gravock
Wow, flat upper earth and flat inner earth. Double blasphemy! You will be hunted down by TPTB and the rulers from inner earth.
I have to consult inner earth about this! I will ask them to forgive you. It is strangely logical to go from the believe in flat earth to the believe in flat outer earth and flat inner earth. To err is human and you should not suffer for this.
There remains a question: If there is a "flat outer earth" and a "flat inner earth" and if the "flat thing" in-between has a thickness, there could be a "true inner earth in this flat thing"? What you call the "flat inner earth" could just be a "mirror outer earth"?
Look at the drawing which could depict the integrated whole truth. I am not saying that this is disclosure of the big secret, I just help you to see your errors of judgement. I want to save you.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on June 22, 2016, 11:45:17 AM
Wow, flat upper earth and flat inner earth. Double blasphemy! You will be hunted down by TPTB and the rulers from inner earth.
I have to consult inner earth about this! I will ask them to forgive you. It is strangely logical to go from the believe in flat earth to the believe in flat outer earth and flat inner earth. To err is human and you should not suffer for this.
There remains a question: If there is a "flat outer earth" and a "flat inner earth" and if the "flat thing" in-between has a thickness, there could be a "true inner earth in this flat thing"? What you call the "flat inner earth" could just be a "mirror outer earth"?
Look at the drawing which could depict the integrated whole truth. I am not saying that this is disclosure of the big secret, I just help you to see your errors of judgement. I want to save you.
Greetings, Conrad
You're helping me to see the errors of my judgement? ROFLMAO!!! It is you who asserted and implied that the flat earth must be completely solid with little to no relative depth to it, and not me! You work through deception/lies and can't save anybody, not even yourself!!! I'm looking forward in being hunted down... ;D
Gravock
Why don't we see any fake cgi images released by NASA of the oblate pear shaped earth as promoted by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson (see first and second images below)? The fake cgi images by NASA don't even show an oblate earth, but are perfectly round with the continents changing sizes, shapes, and positions over time (see third image below)! ROFLMAO!!! You balling globalists debunk yourselves at every turn, lol.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 12:29:58 PM
It is you who asserted and implied that the flat earth must be completely solid with little to no relative depth to it, and not me!
Gravock
Well, may be the thin flat thing could be read into my revelations (by a mean spirited reader), but I wanted to say that I would go for "inner earth" instead of "flat earth" if I had to choose.
There are aliens connected with the inner earth stories
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm)
And the flatties (flat earth believers) have no aliens, which is really un-cool.
Every good conspiracy needs aliens or it is just flat. If the tall tale has aliens and OU it would be even better. And the inner earth stories contain many amazing energy sources and devices, even teleportation. Can any flatty compete with that?
So, if I want strange, if I want weird, if I want to conspire, I would go for inner earth and its aliens and its far out technology and resources. As an avid follower I would go for a winner.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 01:04:43 PM
Why don't we see any fake cgi images released by NASA of the oblate pear shaped earth as promoted by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson (see first and second images below)? The fake cgi images by NASA don't even show an oblate earth, but are perfectly round with the continents changing sizes, shapes, and positions over time (see third image below)! ROFLMAO!!! You balling globalists debunk yourselves at every turn, lol.
Gravock
Actually, you betray your own ignorance and gullibility with every post you make. The Earth deviates from a true sphere by slightly less than 1 part in 300. There is no way that you could even see that deviation on images like you have posted.
And it may be clear _even to you_ that images of the Earth taken at different times of the day, by different satellites in different positions, using different satellite imaging systems, color-processed by different people and copy-pasted and altered nobody knows how many times before they appear in your silly posts.... would look different.
You have presented YET ANOTHER utter fail, which not only does not support your silly contentions but also reveals your utter ignorance of photography, satellite imaging systems, geography and logical thought. Congratulations!
QuoteThe simplest model for the shape of the entire Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) is a sphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere). The Earth's radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius) is the distance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance) from Earth's center to its surface, about 6,371 kilometers (3,959 mi). While "radius" normally is a characteristic of perfect spheres, the Earth deviates from a perfect sphere by only a third of a percent, sufficiently close to treat it as a sphere in many contexts and justifying the term "the radius of the Earth".
The concept of a spherical Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth) dates back to around the 6th century BC,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth#cite_note-2) but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC. The first scientific estimation of the radius of the earth was given by Eratosthenes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) about 240 BC, with estimates of the accuracy of Eratosthenes's measurement ranging from 2% to 15%.
The Earth is only approximately spherical, so no single value serves as its natural radius. Distances from points on the surface to the center range from 6,353 km to 6,384 km (3,947 – 3,968 mi). Several different ways of modeling the Earth as a sphere each yield a mean radius of 6,371 kilometers (3,959 mi). Regardless of the model, any radius falls between the polar minimum of about 6,357 km and the equatorial maximum of about 6,378 km (3,950 – 3,963 mi). The difference 21 kilometers (13 mi) correspond to the polar radius being approximately 0.3% shorter than the equator radius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth
The difference is about the same, proportionally, as the difference between the thickness of the skin of an apple, and the entire diameter of the apple. Not something you are going to be able to detect on any ordinary-sized photograph.
Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 23, 2016, 01:09:03 PM
Actually, you betray your own ignorance and gullibility with every post you make. The Earth deviates from a true sphere by slightly less than 1 part in 300. There is no way that you could even see that deviation on images like you have posted.
And it may be clear _even to you_ that images of the Earth taken at different times of the day, by different satellites in different positions, using different satellite imaging systems, color-processed by different people and copy-pasted and altered nobody knows how many times before they appear in your silly posts.... would look different.
You have presented YET ANOTHER utter fail, which not only does not support your silly contentions but also reveals your utter ignorance of photography, satellite imaging systems, geography and logical thought. Congratulations!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth)
The difference is about the same, proportionally, as the difference between the thickness of the skin of an apple, and the entire diameter of the apple. Not something you are going to be able to detect on any ordinary-sized photograph.
Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.
Well, let's look at a fake camera image of the
full earth released by NASA during the fake Apollo 16 mission (first image below), and not some theoretical models on the figure of the earth, as shown on wikepedia. This image of the
full Earth released by NASA sure does deviate from a true sphere by more than 1 part in 300 and is easily detectable in the image!!! Like I said before, the images of the earth as released by NASA aren't consistent with one another. It's very obvious this image is not a photo taken with a hand-held Hasselblad camera, but is a composite, cropped and mashed together image (second image below). The fact that the cropping actually follows the supposed 'Earth shadow' shows that it was cropped - to make it look like there is a shadow there. Why would NASA do that? It makes no logical sense that anyone would crop an image in this way, if it was a genuine photo. The image on NASA's site is now different (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (third image below). NASA changed the original fake cropped image (first image below) after this video showing the cropping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEn98NAC6ak) (second image below) was uploaded. However, the image on the web archive (https://web.archive.org/web/19961022213439/http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (first image below) still shows the old cropped image.
NASA admits the images are computer generated (CGI) from their so-called satellite data into a globe earth composite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9FwNz7Ntw) (video). Their so-called satellite data is also fake!!! So, if your reason for believing the earth is nearly a spherical globe was that you have seen thousands of pictures of the earth, then you better think again! You globalists are being bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing a fairy tale. You globalists are so gullible and so easily deceived into believing a lie. ROFLMAO!!!
Quote from: gravityblock on June 24, 2016, 01:08:13 PM
Well, let's look at a fake camera image of the full earth released by NASA during the fake Apollo 16 mission (first image below), and not some theoretical models on the figure of the earth, as shown on wikepedia. This image of the full Earth released by NASA sure does deviate from a true sphere by more than 1 part in 300 and is easily detectable in the image!!! Like I said before, the images of the earth as released by NASA aren't consistent with one another. It's very obvious this image is not a photo taken with a hand-held Hasselblad camera, but is a composite, cropped and mashed together image (second image below). The fact that the cropping actually follows the supposed 'Earth shadow' shows that it was cropped - to make it look like there is a shadow there. Why would NASA do that? It makes no logical sense that anyone would crop an image in this way, if it was a genuine photo. The image on NASA's site is now different (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (third image below). NASA changed the original fake cropped image (first image below) after this video showing the cropping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033&feature=cards&src_vid=qR9FwNz7Ntw&v=wyRbc28PSrI) (second image below) was uploaded. However, the image on the web archive (https://web.archive.org/web/19961022213439/http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (first image below) still shows the old cropped image.
NASA admits the images are computer generated (CGI) from their so-called satellite data into a globe earth composite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9FwNz7Ntw) (video). Their so-called satellite data is also fake!!! So, if your reason for believing the earth is nearly a spherical globe was that you have seen thousands of pictures of the earth, then you better think again! You globalists are being bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing a fairy tale. You globalists are so gullible and so easily deceived into believing a lie. ROFLMAO!!!
None of the NASA Photographs or footage of the Earth is real. Robert Simmons, a Data Visualiser and Information Designer for NASA freely admits that all the still images of Earth from space, (including his creation of the recent 'Blue Marble' image), are simply composite images and not real photographs. Check it out for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033) (video). The video has rare audio of NASA's Robert Simmons as he explains using photo shop on earth pics. None of the pictures have ever been real. All pictures of the globe earth are null x void!!
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 23, 2016, 01:09:03 PM
Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.
Real data comes from real photographs, and not from fake computer generated images taken from fake virtual satellite data! You have the process completely backwards and inverted as always.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 25, 2016, 12:57:01 AM
Real data comes from real photographs, and not fake computer generated images from fake virtual satellite data! You have the process completely backwards and inverted as always.
Gravock
No, it is you who continue to show your ignorance and lack of reasoning ability. Just as I have said, you simply deny the validity of any evidence against your silly claims.
In the first place, there is really no such thing as a "real photograph" of astronomical objects from satellites, or even earth-bound telescopes.
Modern satellites do not use film cameras and the images aren't developed at your local one-hour photo service! When an imaging system with
a narrow field of view is used to make an image of a larger object, multiple images are stitched together into a mosaic. Each individual image
is processed in various ways, and the final image is further processed to make a resulting overall image. This does NOT mean that the image is faked!
(Of course to YOU it does, since all data that refutes you is faked, according to you.)
For example look at my own Lunar image attached below. This is a 5-frame mosaic. The original images of parts of the nearly-full Moon were taken
with a Canon Xti DSLR camera-- NOT a film camera. This camera uses an electronic sensor to capture photons of light. The charges on the pixels
of the sensor are then converted to something that the human eye can interpret as an image -- brightness levels of individual pixels. Then I take
the raw digital data from the camera and process it in various ways to enhance contrast, adjust color values, sharpness and etc. using a program
called PixInsight. Then the individual partial frames are matched and stitched together by another program called nip2. Then the overall full image is
once again adjusted and smoothed using PixInsight again, and further sharpened and resized by another program called gimp, which is essentially
a free PhotoShop. Then the _bits_ of data which represent the image are uploaded, stored, presented to you, then you see them through another
program which displays them on your screen. That program makes further guesses and alterations before presenting it to the software that shows
it to you, and your monitor alters it even further, based on your local settings for brightness, contrast, color temperature, and etc.
So does all of this "prove" that the image is not an image of the real Moon, taken from my backyard by me, and which "looks like" the real, actual Moon?
According to your weak minded attempts at reasoning, it's not a "real photograph" and therefore is fake. Oh... wait a minute.... I almost forgot...
the Moon itself is faked, isn't it!!!
In the second place, you are rather inconsistent in your ramblings. NASA and all the other space agencies and telescope operators all around the world --
or all "across" the flat world according to you -- are smart enough to manufacture and continue this worldwide conspiracy but aren't smart enough to
make images that are consistent with your weak ideas of what a "real photograph" should look like.
I laugh out loud at your ignorance and feeble, futile attempts to bolster your fake theory with your made-up "facts" and misinterpreted out-of-context quotes.
(Image uploaded at full resolution on purpose, to show the detail and smoothness of the mosaic process.)
Quote from: gravityblock on June 25, 2016, 12:35:26 AM
None of the NASA Photographs or footage of the Earth is real. Robert Simmons, a Data Visualiser and Information Designer for NASA freely admits that all the still images of Earth from space, (including his creation of the recent 'Blue Marble' image), are simply composite images and not real photographs. Check it out for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033) (video). The video has rare audio of NASA's Robert Simmons as he explains using photo shop on earth pics. None of the pictures have ever been real. All pictures of the globe earth are null x void!!
Gravock
So all the 'photographs' on actual photographic film that were taken by the early astronauts with hand held cameras are also fake. Got it.
Now I'm off to find my tinfoil hat.
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?
So it would be a must that you stay close to the center of this spinning mass,as the closer we get to the edge,the higher the risk of being flung of out into space ;D
Oh i remember those days ,in the playground,on the high speed merry-go-round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato
Brad
If all the known equations of physics are rendered in conformally invariant form (which is possible) then it is also possible to mathematically turn the universe 'inside out'.
Instead being on the outside of a sphere and held there by some mysterious force of attraction between masses (gravity) we'd simply be on the inside of the sphere held there by centripetal force. Everything would function as expected, no laws of physics would be broken and we'd be none the wiser that we'd been perceiving the universe the universe the wrong way round...
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 25, 2016, 01:24:57 AM
No, it is you who continue to show your ignorance and lack of reasoning ability. Just as I have said, you simply deny the validity of any evidence against your silly claims.
In the first place, there is really no such thing as a "real photograph" of astronomical objects from satellites, or even earth-bound telescopes.
Modern satellites do not use film cameras and the images aren't developed at your local one-hour photo service! When an imaging system with
a narrow field of view is used to make an image of a larger object, multiple images are stitched together into a mosaic. Each individual image
is processed in various ways, and the final image is further processed to make a resulting overall image. This does NOT mean that the image is faked!
(Of course to YOU it does, since all data that refutes you is faked, according to you.)
For example look at my own Lunar image attached below. This is a 5-frame mosaic. The original images of parts of the nearly-full Moon were taken
with a Canon Xti DSLR camera-- NOT a film camera. This camera uses an electronic sensor to capture photons of light. The charges on the pixels
of the sensor are then converted to something that the human eye can interpret as an image -- brightness levels of individual pixels. Then I take
the raw digital data from the camera and process it in various ways to enhance contrast, adjust color values, sharpness and etc. using a program
called PixInsight. Then the individual partial frames are matched and stitched together by another program called nip2. Then the overall full image is
once again adjusted and smoothed using PixInsight again, and further sharpened and resized by another program called gimp, which is essentially
a free PhotoShop. Then the _bits_ of data which represent the image are uploaded, stored, presented to you, then you see them through another
program which displays them on your screen. That program makes further guesses and alterations before presenting it to the software that shows
it to you, and your monitor alters it even further, based on your local settings for brightness, contrast, color temperature, and etc.
So does all of this "prove" that the image is not an image of the real Moon, taken from my backyard by me, and which "looks like" the real, actual Moon?
According to your weak minded attempts at reasoning, it's not a "real photograph" and therefore is fake. Oh... wait a minute.... I almost forgot...
the Moon itself is faked, isn't it!!!
In the second place, you are rather inconsistent in your ramblings. NASA and all the other space agencies and telescope operators all around the world --
or all "across" the flat world according to you -- are smart enough to manufacture and continue this worldwide conspiracy but aren't smart enough to
make images that are consistent with your weak ideas of what a "real photograph" should look like.
I laugh out loud at your ignorance and feeble, futile attempts to bolster your fake theory with your made-up "facts" and misinterpreted out-of-context quotes.
(Image uploaded at full resolution on purpose, to show the detail and smoothness of the mosaic process.)
Yes, it's a "real photograph" of a "real image" of the moon in 3D space. Why can't NASA release some nice photos of the earth like you did with the moon? Oh, and your moon photo is consistent with other moon photos taken by other people, which is something NASA isn't able to do either. You can even photograph the so-called Milky Way with a Smartphone (http://www.lonelyspeck.com/photographing-the-milky-way-with-a-smartphone/). Some Smartphones have better sensor technology than what you'll find in your DSLR or mirror-less camera. However, NASA isn't taking real photographs of real images in 3D space. They're using fake data from fake satellites to create a computer generated image (CGI) of a fake image in 3D space. They also like to use the cloning tool to paint the clouds. For example, an unusual anomaly appears on one of NASA's composite images of the Earth (first image below). If you flip the image upside-down, you can see what looks strikingly like the word "s.e.x" written across a significant portion of the fake globe. Step 1, download this image from NASA's website (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fthumbnails%2Fimage%2F187_1003705_americas_dxm.png&t=OWE2NGUzMjUzYWNhYTM2MGFjMTlhYWQ5YmFkNmI1MTNiZDk4NzdhNSxPbkxVRU55UA%3D%3D). Step 2, flip the fake image upside-down. Step 3, look at the top right corner of the flipped image. Step 4, observe what looks suspiciously like the word "s.e.x" plastered over the Earth's atmosphere. Step 5, reassure yourself that this is merely a coincidence and that NASA, a federal agency that receives around $18 billion of tax funding every year, would never deceive the public under any circumstance.
"It's physically impossible for any NASA pictures to be manipulated," says The Coincidence Theorist. "I imagine this is just a naturally-occurring cloud formation. Clearly-formed words spanning hundreds of miles must randomly materialize all the time. Coincidentally, I took this picture (second image below) on the very same day from my own back yard" (Taken from The Coincidence Theorist, nothing to see here (http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Cloud-BS.jpg))!
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on June 25, 2016, 02:54:51 AM
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?
You're working under the wrong assumptions. It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth.
All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video). The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements. If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is), then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements. In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.! Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them. It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated. The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.
Gravock
Quote from: tinman on June 25, 2016, 02:54:51 AM
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?
So it would be a must that you stay close to the center of this spinning mass,as the closer we get to the edge,the higher the risk of being flung of out into space ;D
Oh i remember those days ,in the playground,on the high speed merry-go-round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato)
Brad
You're debunking the fake globe model and don't even realize it! You should refer to the video on rim velocity and the Machinery's Handbook, which was previously posted. It's the fake globe that is rotating, and not the non-rotating flat earth!
Gravock
Quote from: hoptoad on June 25, 2016, 02:32:36 AM
So all the 'photographs' on actual photographic film that were taken by the early astronauts with hand held cameras are also fake. Got it.
Now I'm off to find my tinfoil hat.
You mean the photographs on actual photographic film that was taken in a Hollywood basement? Wow, the fairy tales told by NASA really has a stronghold on the globalists...!!!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 07:50:21 AM
bla bla ...
Gravock
can you stop bullshit ...
yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or stop spamming this forum !
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 06:25:22 AM
You're working under the wrong assumptions. It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth.
All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video). The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements. If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is), then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements. In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.! Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them. It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated. The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.
Gravock
Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".
Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see!
How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes
hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me!
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 06:25:22 AM
You're working under the wrong assumptions. It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth.
You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.
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All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video).
What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!
QuoteThe fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements.
Not even that is quite true. The _diameter_ of the Earth's orbit is approximately 186 million miles, but since the Earth is _moving_ along the orbital curve it is actually _moving_ much further than that. It is true that the diameter distance is the baseline for astronomical parallax measurements.
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If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is),
That's a total lie. There is plenty of experimental evidence that the Earth is indeed moving, and for you to assert otherwise once again shows two things: you are ignorant of observational astronomy, and you will simply deny the validity of any and all evidence that refutes your idiotic contentions.
Quotethen it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements. In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.!
That doesn't even follow, even if it were the case that your garbage "theory" were true. Parallax is only good out to a certain distance; further than that and the parallax becomes too small to be useful as a distance measurement. Other measures are then used to estimate the distances further out, like "standard candles" such as the observed brightness of Cepheid variable stars or certain types of supernovae. Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc. The mileage (or kilometerage) indicated on your car's odometer is also an estimate, based on the diameter of your tires, the gear ratio of your transmission, and other imperfectly known values.
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Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.
Yes, that is true, but not in the way that your silly linked video claims. Or rather, the video and your "reasoning" leave out some very important facts of astronomical observation.
The fact that telescopes are limited is the reason why they are constantly being improved, and why various different types of telescopes exist and are being used every day to improve our _real_ understanding of the the universe around us. Visible light telescopes are only a small part of the armoury of astronomical observation tools. Your bogus "theory" of conspiracy and flat earth does an enormous disservice to the legions of astronomers, astrophysicists, other scientists and technicians who are contributing to this effort. Fortunately, you mean nothing to them and they will continue working to expand our knowledge, while laughing out loud at ignorant, lying videos like the one you posted.
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It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated. The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.
Gravock
Wrong. Nothing of the sort was demonstrated. Actually what that video demonstrates is another prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where a little bit of incomplete knowledge is used to come to utterly wrong conclusions which are then "taught" to even more ignorant, gullible people like yourself.
Well said TinK!
One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp. What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?
For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations. Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.
What a shame it is.
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331
Quote from: wattsup on June 26, 2016, 07:35:25 PM
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331 (http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331)
In the globe model, gravity is needed for such things as satellites, the solar system, etc. In the flat earth model, gravity is nothing more than density. Anything heavier than air will fall, and anything lighter than air will rise. The properties of one model doesn't necessarily mean they apply to another model.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 26, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".
Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see!
How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me!
There is no other way to get a distance for the sun other than Eratosthenes' stick experiment (first image below). Just looking at it from a single point on earth will not tell you its distance, you must look at it from several points and account for the curvature or non-curvature of the distance between those points. In his experiment, Eratosthenes assumes that the earth is a globe and that the sun is very far away in his computations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun (~93,000,000 miles away). However, if we use his data with the assumption that the earth is flat, we come up with a different calculation for the distance of the sun, showing it to be close to the earth (~2,000 miles away). If we move from Florida to Pennsylvania, our distance from the sun on the flat earth increases by about 30%. The sun's distance changes according to the model of the earth we assume for the experiment.
In your following post (reply #324), you said "Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc. As you can see from the above paragraph, the distance of close objects, such as the sun, depends on the correct model of the earth. If the correct model isn't used to determine the proper distance of the closer objects, then the further objects will be wildly inflated in regards to their distance. I hate to bust your bubble, but you're not taking photographs of galaxies millions of light years away. You live in a fantasy world if you think otherwise!
"On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator". -- Thomas Winship, author of Zetetic Cosmogony.
Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away (second image below).
Gravock
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth.
Mainstream science has sought to explain away crepuscular rays of the sun (see first image below) that are extremely damaging to the heliocentric model, as just the result of a visual phenomenon known as linear perspective. The problem is... perspective can't explain these rays. This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo) (second image below) shows that the very perspective they invoke to try and save the heliocentric model from these damaging crepuscular rays actually indicts the heliocentric model as a fraud
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 26, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.
What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!
The below quote is taken from the video description as found in my previous post.
"There is no southern pole star. What folks are seeing when they look south is a perspective produced counter rotation. For example: If you are at the north pole, polaris will be directly overhead and all the stars will be rotating around it - and the stars just above the horizon will do a big circle around you staying parallel to the horizon, right?... I don't know how much you know about perspective, but notice how the clouds will angle down towards YOUR horizon THE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THEY ARE. Keep this in mind. The further south you go... Polaris will get lower and lower in the northern sky FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Let's say you go far enough south that Polaris is on your horizon... the surrounding stars that were rotating around you at the north pole would now be rising in the east and setting in the west. And if you look to the south, you will see a counter rotation DUE TO PERPSECTIVE. This is tough to understand, I get that. Think about it for a while..."
You photographing galaxies that are millions of light years away is an ignorant fantasy based on a fairy tale as told by NASA and TPTB!
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on June 26, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
can you stop bullshit ...
yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or stop spamming this forum !
NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf). In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth. In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!
Gravock
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 26, 2016, 03:19:00 PM
Well said TinK!
One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp. What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?
For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations. Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.
What a shame it is.
TinK is in a quagmire. The more he tries to get out of it, the more he sinks into it. Let's watch TinK completely SinK as he continues to perpetuate the lies and deceptions of the globalist elite.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:35:35 PM
NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf). In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth. In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!
Gravock
can you stop your bullshit and stop spamming this form !
do you use the relativity general or give me your model or leave this forum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity
where is the center of mas of the flat earth ? we are not snake !!
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:18:23 PM
bla bla ...
Gravock
stop spamming
how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity
Quote from: tagor on June 27, 2016, 01:33:43 AM
stop spamming
how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity
The rays from a sun which is 93 million miles away will produce parallel rays of light all over the earth. Does the rays in the pic appear to be parallel? No, thus the sun's distance as calculated on the globe model is wrong, and the crepuscular rays of light is evidence of the sun moving around the flat earth at ~3,000 miles away. Once again, this is a no-brainer!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:43:48 PM
bla bla ...
Gravock
this pick can not proof flat earth but
can proof you are wrong explaining crescend moon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase)
this pic proof also your stupidity , stop spamming !!
Hi gravityblock, are you sure the sun is that far away, just looking at the pic you posted, sure seems closer than that.
peace love light
Quote from: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 02:04:48 AM
The rays from a sun which is 93 million miles away will produce parallel rays of light all over the earth. Does the rays in the pic appear to be parallel? No, thus the sun's distance as calculated on the globe model is wrong, and the crepuscular rays of light is evidence of the sun moving around the flat earth at ~3,000 miles away. Once again, this is a no-brainer!
Gravock
stop spamming and get basic physics
your reasoning proof your stupidity .... where is your standard model for flat earth ? or leave this forum
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on June 27, 2016, 02:25:57 AM
Hi gravityblock, are you sure the sun is that far away, just looking at the pic you posted, sure seems closer than that.
peace love light
yes with the proof of flatearthers the sun is 5 km above the flat earth ...
and every body can touch the sun
with your flat earth can you explain the vendeeglobe ?
http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/
can you explain the real time tracking of the vendeeglobe
http://tracking2012.vendeeglobe.org/fr/
without satelite can you explain the fonctioning of argos ?
can you calculate the speed of the sailing boats in the south pole ?
can you explain the reception of the argos detress signal in the midle of pacific ocean without satelite ?
can you explain the internet reception in the sailing boats of the vendeeglobe without satelite ?
1. If there would be a flat earth It would be Night or daytime at the same time in all parts of the world
2. As Below so above: Bubble on water , Blow a soap bubble in the air, Spherical, Melt a little piece of metal , in molten state it will be spherical just like water in space. Every small phenomenon reflects a larger one in this universe.
3.And for the weaker ones : If you dont believe your own eyes, just look up the conclusions of the smartest people of the world : Nikola tesla
flat earth map , what a crazy map !!
when I look at your crazy map I think you never run out of your litle town or village
do you know south america ?
I run with my car from buenos aire to chile : it is not possible to be so large ! ( 3000 km in maximum )
also when you go from bolivia to tierra de fuego it is not possible to be so short ! ( the minimum is 5000 km )
GB why do you think satelite does not exist ?
why I can not receive internet with my cellphone near a town ( romo ) ?
and why fabrice andre is receiving internet in the midle of nothing ( col de sarenne ) ?
with satelite or not with satelite ?
also presse tv is receiving tv from satelite or not from satelite ?
the antenna is pointing to the flat earth ? or pointing to the dome ?
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:26:21 PM
The below quote is taken from the video description as found in my previous post.
"There is no southern pole star. What folks are seeing when they look south is a perspective produced counter rotation. For example: If you are at the north pole, polaris will be directly overhead and all the stars will be rotating around it - and the stars just above the horizon will do a big circle around you staying parallel to the horizon, right?... I don't know how much you know about perspective, but notice how the clouds will angle down towards YOUR horizon THE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THEY ARE. Keep this in mind. The further south you go... Polaris will get lower and lower in the northern sky FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Let's say you go far enough south that Polaris is on your horizon... the surrounding stars that were rotating around you at the north pole would now be rising in the east and setting in the west. And if you look to the south, you will see a counter rotation DUE TO PERPSECTIVE. This is tough to understand, I get that. Think about it for a while..."
You photographing galaxies that are millions of light years away is an ignorant fantasy based on a fairy tale as told by NASA and TPTB!
Gravock
You are hilarious! Citing quotations from a video made by someone who is also completely ignorant about astronomy. You still have not explained the photo from the Canary Islands where TWO centers of rotation are shown, one CLOCKWISE and the other COUNTERCLOCKWISE at the same time. This is not an "illusion of perspective". It is what happens when you rotate a SPHERE and then map that rotation onto a flat surface like the plane of the image. Try it with an orange and your two hands.
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:18:23 PM
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth.
Mainstream science has sought to explain away crepuscular rays of the sun (see first image below) that are extremely damaging to the heliocentric model, as just the result of a visual phenomenon known as linear perspective. The problem is... perspective can't explain these rays. This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo) (second image below) shows that the very perspective they invoke to try and save the heliocentric model from these damaging crepuscular rays actually indicts the heliocentric model as a fraud
Gravock
ROFL ! For someone who uses the term "perspective" in his posts, you are remarkably ignorant and gullible. The Crespuscular rays are INDEED parallel, and what your image is showing is an illusion of perspective. You continue to provide idiotic and incorrect "explanations" of your crazy theory about flat-earth, which are so easy to prove wrong it's not even challenging at all.
http://www.lonestardigital.com/Perspective_Correction/N_Digital_WA.jpg (http://www.lonestardigital.com/Perspective_Correction/N_Digital_WA.jpg)
I suppose you think those buildings are really leaning towards each other. Guess what: They are not, they are all parallel to each other and perpendicular to the ground JUST LIKE CREPUSCULAR RAYS actually are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography))
All you need to do is to get someone to stand in each of those spots where the rays hit the earth, and have them measure the angle to the Sun. You will find that they all _agree_, if the measurement is done at the same time, and report the same declination and right ascension for the Sun. Your theory is falsified continually.
Incidentally, those of use who have computerized German Equatorial telescope mounts can easily falsify your "flat earth sky dome" delusion for themselves. These mounts can be set to "track" objects in the sky, all the way around, during a 24 hour period. If they are tracking a star which is at the zenith at midnight, hence pointing straight up, they can continue to track this star as the globular Earth rotates and at NOON, they will be pointing STRAIGHT DOWN. And at that exact same time, an observer in the opposite hemisphere at the corresponding latitude, where it is now night, tracking that same star, will see his telescope mount pointing STRAIGHT UP. Hence, once again falsifying your "Sky dome" and "Flat Earth" delusions.
Just some simple questions to Gravoc.
Since the Earth is flat, how does it look like on the other side? Can you present some pictures of the other side? Maybe you have the picture of the EDGE of the FLAT EARTH? How wide (narrow) is the edge? What happens with airplanes on or near the edge, can they fly over the edge to get the other side of the flat Earth? Does the SUN fly over one flat surface, or visits also the other one? Does the flat earth contains one or more magnetic poles, and where are they located? If two, one of them must be underside of the flat earth, right? Some guys already mentioned this: what happens with the Sun on night hours? The Earth is the center of the Universe, and the Sun and other stars and all universe fly around the Earth, right?
Someone already asked this question but I never saw an answer. If I missed it please repost the answer. How can the sun be shining brightly at high noon in North America and it be pitch dark in the middle of the night in Australia if the earth is a flat disk? It is obvious the flouride added to our water supplies around the world have done a great job of destroying the thinking ability of humans. It seems there are only a few left with the ability to use common sense.
I have not wasted my time reading this whole thread but I do have another question that may have already been answered. What benefit is it to believe the earth is a flat disc? Other than trying to prove the governments of this world will lie to us, why is there any reason to believe in a flat earth? I mean most of us are pretty sure we are lied to regularly by our governments so why the big deal about a supposed flat earth theory? I just don't see the point in believing something so foolish.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: Qwert on June 29, 2016, 06:08:55 AM
The Earth is the center of the Universe, and the Sun and other stars and all universe fly around the Earth, right?
why and how are they moving if the earth is flat ?
if we have a flat erath ... gravity is not working ... and we are waiting for a model ?
but the grave is ko for the moment !
Quote from: tagor on June 29, 2016, 06:33:58 AM
why and how are they moving if the earth is flat ?
if we have a flat erath ... gravity is not working ... and we are waiting for a model ?
but the grave is ko for the moment !
Why, why, why... I don't know why; But Gravoc certainly knows.
Additional question(s) to Gravoc, or other flat-Earth-enthusiasts (f-E-es): Is it determined, where the edge of the flat Earth is? Is it in, or close to a certain city (cities), or on (around) a sea; in my opinion, it can be exactly determined. Have you heard about an expedition to the edge?
In this movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk) [size=78%]at 8:20 starts a simulation which shows flat Earth and the Sun. On this flat earth a clear border of day/night is seen. But the author does not mention how that border is determined. Maybe some f-e-es here, on this site can explain this?
This is not real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30KSt4Iy9Q8
The rocket motor is only six inches long and the burn is filmed at high speed and then slowed down during playback. It's called Supermarionation.
I'm terribly, terribly sorry, Gravock, I've just jumped-into this site and also into this thread after long absence. Today I'm reading and learning this site more thoroughly and I found this post, which says everything about you and your KNOWLEDGE. I guess, from this point, since we have a religious dogma, it makes nonsense to discuss ANY scientific "dogmas":
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805 (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805)
I have one question, however:
In the post from above link, you say: They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.
My question is: WHO ARE/WERE THOSE "THEY"?
Quote from: Qwert on June 30, 2016, 11:19:58 AM
I'm terribly, terribly sorry, Gravock, I've just jumped-into this site and also into this thread after long absence. Today I'm reading and learning this site more thoroughly and I found this post, which says everything about you and your KNOWLEDGE. I guess, from this point, since we have a religious dogma, it makes nonsense to discuss ANY scientific "dogmas":
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805 (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805)
I have one question, however:
In the post from above link, you say: They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.
My question is: WHO ARE/WERE THOSE "THEY"?
do you mean this psychotic dogma ? the GOD word is Gold Oil and Diamonds it's Demonic, any control, restriction, serial lying is all demonic all roads lead to Satanic world and universe including the aliens, think about it every animal eats the next one down the food chain every living thing suffers and dies one way or another, but when we die we are released and we are light, we are the light everything in creation is light, it's pure energy, a continuous consciousness of this dimension, wake up out of this delusional psychotic nightmare your creating for yourself. ;)
Quote from: AlienGrey on July 01, 2016, 09:28:39 AM
{'m not gonna discuss religious dogmas on this forum cuz of two reasons: one reason is that I do not know the subject, and another reason is that we are not allowed to discuss religious subjects on this forum (read the rules).
Quote from: Qwert on July 01, 2016, 03:59:54 PM
{'m not gonna discuss religious dogmas on this forum cuz of two reasons: one reason is that I do not know the subject, and another reason is that we are not allowed to discuss religious subjects on this forum (read the rules).
no one mentioned any religion as such, it was 'psychotic dogma' no more than the fact that
In fact the flat earth was actually a religious belief of the church at the time and disbelievers were disposed of by execution, so what you are saying is that in effect is your trying to create a situation where religion is entered by the back door by discussing this thread.
You can't have one without the other as it is of historic interest on learning the truth of what your trying to hide to everyone involved and your only allowing half the bull shit to be known your side only and this thread is totally inappropriate for this forum and should be discontinued as you pointed out yourself !
The one thing i have learned over the years,is never believe what NASA tells you--most of it is crap.
I dont care much for the !flat earth! theory,but like most,believe the earth is a ball that just floats around in space-right?. ;D
Anyway,who knows what Chandra is?
Yes,it is--err was suppose to be-Quote: The Chandra X-ray Observatory (CXO), previously known as the Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility (AXAF), is a space observatory launched on STS-93 by NASA on July 23, 1999. Chandra is sensitive to X-ray sources 100 times fainter than any previous X-ray telescope, enabled by the high angular resolution of its mirrors. Since the Earth's atmosphere absorbs the vast majority of X-rays, they are not detectable from Earth-based telescopes; therefore space-based telescopes are required to make these observations. Chandra is an Earth satellite in a 64-hour orbit, and its mission is ongoing as of 2016.
Chandra is one of the Great Observatories, along with the Hubble Space Telescope, Compton Gamma Ray Observatory (1991–2000), and the Spitzer Space Telescope. The telescope is named after astrophysicist Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
So it's a telescope-right? ::)
Here is the official mission/function for Chandra,from the UNOOSA- United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs. Everything launched into space has to be registered with UNOOSA.
Lets have a look at what they say Chandra's mission is
Quote: Spacecraft engaged in investigation of spaceflight techniques and technology.
Dose anyone see !Telescope! there in that description?.
http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/osoindex/search-ng.jspx?lf_id=
If we look at hubble,we see the function being
Quote: Research and exploration of the upper atmosphere or outer space.
Now that looks to resemble a telescope--so what is Chandra?
Brad
One has to wonder as to how we can see satellites in the sky at night,when they are all in the Earths shadow. Light dose not bend that much around the earth,and there is no reflected light from other sources in space,and we know that we cant see the moon when it is in this shadow phase,so how do we see the satellite's that are between the earth and moon,when we cant see the giant moon?
Also,we may see one of two satellites every 5 to 10 minutes on a clear night,but looking at how many are !suppose! to be up there,one would think it would look like a busy city at night.
Believe nothing--question eveything
Brad
Oop's
That picture was a bit large--sorry guys.
But at least you get the picture-- ;D
Brad
Oh come on Brad. Now you are playing the game too. Why don't you find a diagram that shows the Sun-Earth-Moon relationship in the correct scale and 3-d orientation? Then you may understand why lunar eclipses happen when and how they do. Also, if you have observed satellites for yourself you might notice that the best time to see them is shortly after dark and shortly before dawn, and they rarely are visible across the entire sky because they "blink out" when they enter the shadow of the Earth.
Here's a video that I took through my telescope system's tracking telescope camera, after I noticed some satellite traces screwing up the deep-space image I was trying to capture with the main telescope. These satellites are in a geosynchronous orbit, as proven by a little geometry involving my latitude, the scope's pointing direction and the height of the geo-synch orbit. That is why they appear to move through the frame when the scope is tracking the object of interest but become stationary at the moment I turn off the scope's tracking. The apparent motion of the satellites against the starfield is caused by the fact that they are stationary over the ground, so as the scope moves to compensate for the Earth's motion they appear to move in the opposite direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54)
And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye.
Hey! you jokers ever wonder why the earth has billions of gallons of water on it ? how about it was a huge water planet like some of the others but because it was so close to the inner planets it got covered in rock and other debris as the planet was much small to start with but as i heated up the inner ice has melted out of the poles creating the sea's so your next task is to work out is the planet is actually hollow in the middle.
I think NASA call it project high jump and there is film about it ect. and some guy flew his plane into it !
;) ;) ;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on July 03, 2016, 12:58:40 PM
Oh come on Brad. Now you are playing the game too. Why don't you find a diagram that shows the Sun-Earth-Moon relationship in the correct scale and 3-d orientation? Then you may understand why lunar eclipses happen when and how they do. Also, if you have observed satellites for yourself you might notice that the best time to see them is shortly after dark and shortly before dawn, and they rarely are visible across the entire sky because they "blink out" when they enter the shadow of the Earth.
Here's a video that I took through my telescope system's tracking telescope camera, after I noticed some satellite traces screwing up the deep-space image I was trying to capture with the main telescope. These satellites are in a geosynchronous orbit, as proven by a little geometry involving my latitude, the scope's pointing direction and the height of the geo-synch orbit. That is why they appear to move through the frame when the scope is tracking the object of interest but become stationary at the moment I turn off the scope's tracking. The apparent motion of the satellites against the starfield is caused by the fact that they are stationary over the ground, so as the scope moves to compensate for the Earth's motion they appear to move in the opposite direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54)
And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye.
Ah come on TK--your taking all the fun out of this lol.
Nice picture by the way,and love your scope :)
Brad
@ TK
Quote "And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye". End quote
I think its obvous that you have faked thes photos TK !
floor
Quote from: Qwert on June 29, 2016, 08:37:06 AM
Why, why, why... I don't know why; But Gravoc certainly knows.
I have seen the moving model of the sun in a flat earth not moving ! ( from a pseudo expert )
it is so ridiculous !
if you ask questions the flat earthers are banning you ... so it is the easy way to spamming the word with bullshit
geeze I leave you blokes alone for a few months...
Quote from: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:26:21 PM
bla bla ...
Gravock
i know how the sun is moving in a flat earth , it is so funny ...
I can not resist to give you the first price of the gravityawards for your so stupid story
but who is moving the sun ? it needs so many efforts than only a god can move the sun are you ok grave ?
Watch this little gem ! it explains a lot and it's strange how it all fits into place and explains the flat earth idea in it some where ;) !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo24sIPCOM
AG
Quote from: energia9 on June 27, 2016, 08:41:53 AM
1. If there would be a flat earth It would be Night or daytime at the same time in all parts of the world
2. As Below so above: Bubble on water , Blow a soap bubble in the air, Spherical, Melt a little piece of metal , in molten state it will be spherical just like water in space. Every small phenomenon reflects a larger one in this universe.
3.And for the weaker ones : If you dont believe your own eyes, just look up the conclusions of the smartest people of the world : Nikola tesla
no on a flatearth the sunspot is moving like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8)
but
- how can you do this with a round sunspot ?
- who is moving the sunspot ?
hello graveko where are you ? do you know the mathematic model for the sunspot on a flat earth ?
here it is :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqFtgHTH7pUvu2i5kWf5w0Q/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Ei_wB8zNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8
grave this is so funny i cant stop laughing !
grave who is moving the sunspot ?
on the equinox 22 september when the sunrise in paris , the sun is 0 degree on the horizon
if I phone to harti in berlin the sun is 15 degrees on the horizon
grave can you explain this on a flat earth and with a moving sunspot so funny ?
this same day at 0 PM I phone to another friend in dakar
the sunspot is just above dakar and at the same time the sunspot is 45 degrees on the horizon in paris
grave can you explain this on a flat earth ? is the sunspot 5000 km above dakar ?
if so when I fly from paris to buenos aires the plane is flying 5000 km above the sunspot ?
grave this is so funny i cant stop laughing !
grave are you insane ? ... wait ... grave you are in a psychiatric hospital ? ... ok ok ok grave now i understand very well
been on the pop again ?
All this shit is to do with religion, why don't you ask the pope to explain it all and give us all a rest ?
Encase you haven't noticed this is an alternative energy chat thread or should be!
I discovered a hot YouTube space babe that would bust poor Gravityblock's buns.
The channel is called "Vintage Space."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5qdsB8iSQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5qdsB8iSQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYhqKcruxmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYhqKcruxmI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2g38-veZU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2g38-veZU)
She is going to put all those painters out of work that repaint the top of the dome and freshen up the white dots for all of the stars.
I can't resist from asking yet another two questions for the flat-earthers:
If you BELIEVE that NASA and all main scientific agencies lie about Earth and the Space, how does it come that you BELIEVE in your theory (truth), never even touching the "glass-like" dome around the Earth, never seeing the border where that dome meets the Earth? How does it come that we can see Sunrise/Sunset behind the horizon, while in REALITY it does not happen?
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 27, 2016, 08:39:20 PM
The Crespuscular rays are INDEED parallel, and what your image is showing is an illusion of perspective.
What do you think was the illusion mechanism of these non-parallel rays depicted in that image?
@Gravityblock
Did you ever try to call-up a friend who lives 100miles away from you and have him measure the sunrays' angle at the same time you are doing likewise at your place?
The angle can be easily measured with a plumb bob and a straight broomstick by positioning it so that it does not cast any shadow.
Spock says it is totally illogical to assume the Earth is flat. Logic clearly dictates it is a sphere.
;)
Quote from: verpies on August 03, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
What do you think was the illusion mechanism of these non-parallel rays depicted in that image?
@Gravityblock
Did you ever try to call-up a friend who lives 100miles away from you and have him measure the sunrays' angle at the same time you are doing likewise at your place?
The angle can be easily measured with a plumb bob and a straight broomstick by positioning it so that it does not cast any shadow.
What do YOU think? Are these railroad tracks non-parallel?
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 04, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
What do YOU think? Are these railroad tracks non-parallel?
Yes, but that's different because these green tracks go off into the distance along the Z axis of the camera's vision.
The perspective distortion
would not be able to distort the parallelness of e.g. these black poles planted along the tracks (because these poles are parallel to the Y axis of the camera's vision).
The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.
Quote from: Verpies
The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could
not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.
Could it be that the sun-rays in the image have been doctored?
Such distortions are easily accomplished with video processing
software which is specially designed for creating deceptions.
I've never observed anything like it with the naked eye on
partially (mostly) cloudy days when the rays are clearly visible.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 05, 2016, 03:16:04 PM
Could it be that the sun-rays in the image have been doctored?
Of course.
Two more videos to ponder.... Mountains of Evidence & 6KM high powered laser test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA
and the Gyros may tell the story even further...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4
I love to question everything...makes for an wonder-full life to me!
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw
Very nice. :) ;)
Quote from: Here2njoy on September 07, 2016, 11:19:49 AM
Two more videos to ponder.... Mountains of Evidence & 6KM high powered laser test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA)
and the Gyros may tell the story even further...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4)
I love to question everything...makes for an wonder-full life to me!
j'ai deja repondu a vos pseudo arguments
votre prosélytisme est en totale contradictions avec les regles de base de ce forum
harti can you ban this guy ?
Quote from: Here2njoy on September 07, 2016, 08:09:17 PM
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw)
can you stop yours BS ?
votre prosélytisme est en totale contradictions avec les regles de base de ce forum
harti can you ban this guy ?
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on September 08, 2016, 01:14:07 AM
Very nice. :) ;)
are you serious ?
this is all BS from flatearthers scam artists
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on September 08, 2016, 01:14:07 AM
Very nice. :) ;)
you have to learn basics physics
and
Distance to horizon
http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon)
some maths here
http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489026/#msg489026 (http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489026/#msg489026)
http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489210/#msg489210
Quote from: verpies on August 05, 2016, 12:50:49 AM
Yes, but that's different because these green tracks go off into the distance along the Z axis of the camera's vision.
The perspective distortion would not be able to distort the parallelness of e.g. these black poles planted along the tracks (because these poles are parallel to the Y axis of the camera's vision).
The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.
Not at all. You can find many photos of tall buildings that appear to lean "inwards" toward the top. Also, architects know about this vertical perspective situation as well. For example the minarets of the Taj Mahal are actually built with a slight outward lean so that they appear vertical when viewed from the main gate.
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cayan-tower2.jpg (https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cayan-tower2.jpg)
Many photos of city skylines can be found that show this perspective tilt, and many others can be found that do not, either because it has been corrected in processing or a particular angle has been used. Also remember that even the tallest buildings aren't nearly as high as the normal cloudbase on a fine fairweather cumulus day.
Not only that... but your black poles next to the railroad tracks look like they are getting shorter the farther away they are. Do you think this is real, or is it a result of perspective acting in the y-direction?
Quote from: Here2njoy on September 07, 2016, 08:09:17 PM
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw)
That's pretty silly. It has been known for a long time that the air over bodies of water can refract light beams, so objects that are actually "below" the horizon can _appear_ to be above it. It's a well-known cause of "mirages". This is because of the dependence of refractive index of air on temperature differences in various layers of air-- the same thing that makes stars "twinkle" and appear to move around a bit at night. Unfortunately -- for you and other flat-earthers -- this laser test is invalid for that reason.
Eratosthenes did it more than 2000 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference)
http://www.dummies.com/education/math/geometry/how-to-determine-the-earths-circumference/ (http://www.dummies.com/education/math/geometry/how-to-determine-the-earths-circumference/)
Other very old measurements:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Measuring-the-Earth-Classical-and-Arabic-1673315 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Measuring-the-Earth-Classical-and-Arabic-1673315)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy)
But of course, they were all wrong, the earth is flat, just look out of your window. :'(
Give a tool like a laser into the hands of silly people and you will get silly results and damaged retinas. Watching these people on lake Balaton disregarding the dangers of a laser (it could easily damage your retina in the eye) raised my hair. So, please do not use lasers like an idiot, stick to the ancient measurement methods, they are straight forward.
Simple test of flatness:
Put a stick into the earth on two different locations a few hundred miles apart as vertical as you manage. And then place a person next to each stick with a cell phone. Establish a call and compare the shadow of the sticks. It works best around mid day.
Of course you should know that the sun is very far (millions of miles) away (and not close to the earth surface as some flat people want you to believe).
I know, this has all been said here before, but some people just do not understand reality.
I like this old method:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy#Al-Biruni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy#Al-Biruni)
You only have to measure an angle on the top of a mountain (dip angle towards the plain around the mountain, could be a mountain near a lake or the sea) and you have to know the height of the mountain relative to the plain. Even if you only know the height of the mountain approximately (50 meter accuracy, a map will tell you) it will show that the earth has to be a sphere and not flat.
If the mountain is 500 meters high (above the plain, lake or sea you use as a reference for the drop angle) the drop angle is about 0.7 degrees. So, you need a good surveying instrument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite), minute resolution).
This theodolite should do http://www.u-t-b.at/at/vermessungsgeraete/theodolite/mechanische-theodolite/geofennel-fet-500.html#.V9F24q04r9A , resolution 0.1 gon (about 0.1°) if you only want to proof that the earth is a sphere. The calculated radius will be between 4000 and 10000 kilometres, which is well beyond flat.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: TinselKoala on September 08, 2016, 06:03:08 AM
Not only that... but your black poles next to the railroad tracks look like they are getting shorter the farther away they are. Do you think this is real, or is it a result of perspective acting in the y-direction?
I think the black poles are getting visually shorter in the y-direction, because of the perspective effect.
Quote from: TinselKoala on September 08, 2016, 06:13:22 AM
That's pretty silly. It has been known for a long time that the air over bodies of water can refract light beams, so objects that are actually "below" the horizon can _appear_ to be above it. It's a well-known cause of "mirages". This is because of the dependence of refractive index of air on temperature differences in various layers of air-- the same thing that makes stars "twinkle" and appear to move around a bit at night. Unfortunately -- for you and other flat-earthers -- this laser test is invalid for that reason.
I have to agree with that. Any long-distance optical observations in the atmosphere are not trustworthy because the atmosphere is a giant convex lens and the density gradients over water make atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct) even worse.
I was always curious what its average focal length is, ...as viewed from outside of the atmosphere.
So all of the long-distance visual evidence can be thrown into a proverbial "garbage", regardless whether it supports flat-Earth or curved-Earth.
An optical experiment that conclusively measures the curvature of the Earth would have to be arranged like this:
Quote from: conradelektro on September 08, 2016, 07:18:34 AM
Eratosthenes did it more than 2000 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference)
Eratosthenes used two points of measurement, but a three colinear points of measurement would need to be made at the same time to accurately gauge the curvature without any further assumptions.
Also, Eratosthenes did not account for the refraction of sunlight by the atmosphere which is giant convex lens over Earth's surface.
Quote from: TinselKoala on September 08, 2016, 06:03:08 AM
You can find many photos of tall buildings that appear to lean "inwards" toward the top.
Only because the Z-axis distances from the observer to the base and top of the building are not the same, when the observer stands on the ground.
If the Z-axis distances are the same for the observer, then the perspective is unable to create this illusion of "leaning inwards toward the top".
Yes it's all very amusing isn't it (that's not a question), Have any of you ever seen a poltergeist at work or seen an entity ? they are clever beings they lie and deceive, pretend to be a child to gain entry and are excellent at trickery,
I've come to the conclusion any form of manipulating control is demonic and this stuff is linked to religious days of old and now evil manipulators, if you want to go down this route then perhaps your going to end up with the controlling entity's your entertaining when you pass over, because that's the name of the game they are playing with you, be careful what deception you choose.
Quote from: verpies on September 10, 2016, 05:10:33 AM
Only because the Z-axis distances from the observer to the base and top of the building are not the same, when the observer stands on the ground.
If the Z-axis distances are the same for the observer, then the perspective is unable to create this illusion of "leaning inwards toward the top".
Distance to horizon
http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon)
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At a height h above the ground, the distance to the horizon d, is given by:
d = sqrt(2*R*h/b)
b=0.8279 is a factor that accounts for atmospheric refraction and depends on the atmospheric temperature lapse rate, which is taken to be standard. R is the radius of the earth. Note that the earth is assumed smooth- likely only true over the oceans!
For h in feet and d in nm:
d =1.17*sqrt(h)
i.e. from 10000 feet, the horizon is 117nm away
(Reference Bowditch American Practical Navigator (1995) Table 12.)
for the earth R = 6380 km ( 3970 miles )
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sur la photo " the observer" regarde le mont Mc kinley qui est à 140 miles soit 225.3 km
tout en etant a 2089 ft soit 636 m
la hauteur du mont Mc kinley est 3.8 miles soit 4828 m
j'utilise la formule d = sqrt(2*R*h/b)
et je calcule l'horizon optique
depuis le mont Mc kinley soit 4828 m
l'horizon optique est : 272.8 km => il est donc évident que l'on peut voir " the observer " depuis le mont Mc kinley
calcule de l'horizon optique depuis l'observateur " the observer " ( qui se trouve a 2089 ft soit 636 m )
l'horizon optique est : 99 km il est evident que l'on ne peut pas voir entièrement le mont Mc kinley
mais en prenant la formule H = D*D / ( 2 * R )
avec D = 225.3 - 99 km
on trouve H = 1250 m
donc depuis " the observer " on peut voir le mont Mc kinley a partir de 1250 m
we can see mount Mc kinley above 1250m
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you pass over, because that's the name of the game they are playing with you.
yes
Grab some popcorn... ;D
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on September 25, 2016, 12:17:27 AM
Grab some popcorn... ;D
Gravock
this the proof that flatearthers are big scammer and liar
tagor,
Fisheye Lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens)!
Gravock
There are no forests on earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJL6aA2czo)! (Video)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on September 26, 2016, 06:21:24 AM
tagor,
Fisheye Lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens)!
Gravock
fisheye lens ?!!!? you are a big liar !
For all you Flat earth lovers this live fee is for you !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc
And this live shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
Explain this away !
Enjoy and your dark side rising !
AG, don't you know that all NASA videos are fake?
;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 11, 2017, 06:17:50 PM
AG, don't you know that all NASA videos are fake?
;)
There are some people with certain radical political views and deniers of certain aspects 20th century history that I will not discuss here that completely freak me out sometimes. Likewise, the Flat-Earthers and their own ecosystem also completely freak me out. There are hordes of them on YouTube.
I suppose that I can throw in the moon landing deniers.
You are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe. That's what my rake told me.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 11, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
There are some people with certain radical political views and deniers of certain aspects 20th century history that I will not discuss here that completely freak me out sometimes. Likewise, the Flat-Earthers and their own ecosystem also completely freak me out. There are hordes of them on YouTube.
I suppose that I can throw in the moon landing deniers.
You are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe. That's what my rake told me.
Tinsel has got to be taking the piss ! just because the delivery man screws the woman at no 12 doesn't mean he makes a habit of doing it to all his customer although I'm sure he has been known to short change others too ! dirty mind ?
Regards AG
PS whats this story got to do with a flat earth, sarcasm and wit!
QuoteYou are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe. That's what my rake told me
IMO it's time to reconcile the Flat Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth) with Hollow Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth) and with Expanding Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth) into a Crushed Doughnut Earth Theory.
The independently creative human thinking apparently converges into this model.
There are very compelling reasons for an inner earth or hollow earth, flat earth is for flat brains:
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486684/#msg486684
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486923/#msg486923
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486932/#msg486932
Inner earth beats flat earth all the time. Millions can hide in inner earth, but nobody can hide on a flat earth. Flat earth stories are just flat.
I can not tell you whether there is an inner earth or not (because telling the truth would kill me), but I urge you to go for inner earth (or hollow earth) stories if you want to be entertained.
http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/10/stories-of-a-hollow-earth/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_fiction
https://letterboxd.com/mook/list/hollow-earth-films/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth
Greetings, Conrad
Hollow Earth Hypothesis will not help us to generate some free energy anyway and it's off-topic here. What's worse, it's presentation right here renders the overunity community as a bunch of idiots and decreases the credulity of this subject in they eyes of public even more, than it already is. So I consider the threads like this one a disruptive - they could be even generated with provocateours, who want to ruin the overunity research.
Zephir how is it off topic since it is related, your disruptions are trying to stop people commenting as a matter of interest what age are you ? as this is not a play ground !
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Further imagine in the creation of the universe a vast globule of water is pulled into orbit of the sun's gravitational pull this pulls to it mass as in rock sand ect and coats the water globe in a hard shell-like object like an egg and much the same shape with the ends open, since no one knows where the oceans conform this would explain a lot and the great flood. and a hollow earth, re NASA from space strange pole end concave or blanked off appearance, perhaps.
Regards AG
QuoteZephir how is it off topic since it is related, your disruptions are trying to stop people commenting as a matter of interest what age are you ? as this is not a play ground
I'm just explaining why the discussion of chemtrails and hollow Earth theory doesn't belong into overunity forum. If I would moderate some board, then these stuffs would have no place on it: not only it deters serious scientists, but it also attracts dumb freaks and the general IQ level of forum decreases. Why not to just discuss overunity at overunity forum? Are you visiting this forum for the reading news about Britney Spear and Justin Beaver? If not, why I should be interested about such a craziness here?
If I would be governmental agent struggling to destroy the public interest about overunity, then I would promote such a discussions here instead because the most effective way how to destroy the serious truth today isn't the plain censorship - but its drowning it in trivialities and ridiculing it with connection to dumb conspiratorial theories. Kremlin propaganda does so at daily basis. So you may perceive me immature when I prohibit the people to discuss the childish theories right here - but I assure you, my stance is very well reasoned and mature, because I know, how the distraction methods of public opinion actually work.
Quote from: Zephir on April 12, 2017, 08:40:43 PM
I'm just explaining why the discussion of chemtrails and hollow Earth theory doesn't belong into overunity forum. If I would moderate some board, then these stuffs would have no place on it: not only it deters serious scientists, but it also attracts dumb freaks and the general IQ level of forum decreases. Why not to just discuss overunity at overunity forum? Are you visiting this forum for the reading news about Britney Spear and Justin Beaver? If not, why I should be interested about such a craziness here?
If I would be governmental agent struggling to destroy the public interest about overunity, then I would promote such a discussions here instead because the most effective way how to destroy the serious truth today isn't the plain censorship - but its drowning it in trivialities and ridiculing it with connection to dumb conspiratorial theories. Kremlin propaganda does so at daily basis. So you may perceive me immature when I prohibit the people to discuss the childish theories right here - but I assure you, my stance is very well reasoned and mature, because I know, how the distraction methods of public opinion actually work.
You are totally wrong, the beings from inner earth have the secret of eternal energy und they can also travel to other planets (therefore they are sometimes called aliens, which they might as well be).
The secret and the secrets of inner earth are only revealed to worthy people. Sometimes a person is invited into inner earth and may witness the wonders so that humankind does not despair.
Many hope to find OU because they sense that it is possible (like in inner earth). But the time is not ripe for OU on outer earth because it would only be misused (for gain and war).
Because you mention the Kremlin. You yourself could well be an agent of the Kremlin discrediting inner earth because the Kremlin (and the White House) would loose power once the beings from inner earth show the people of outer earth how to live in the right way.
Beware of false prophets and be not mislead by agents of the Kremlin or the White House.
Greetings, Conrad
Quotethe beings from inner earth have the secret of eternal energy and they can also travel to other planets
Well, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Marked
hey Prof, where the hell have you been hiding. Though you may have been a victim of violence in SA. Any more Karpen research?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0514_030514_earthcore.html
The same for the cold sun:
http://overunity.com/16808/mission-at-the-center-of-the-sun/#.WPdbZdKLTcs
Nah my swastika is down for now mr pomodoro I'm lookin for a bit o white on white violence.have u seen mr hardasshole around
No posts from him for a while but he might be posting under some other name. Never know who you're talking to here as there seems to be people with multiple personalities. Hey, shame those hydrogen Karpens failed, you gave me some good ideas. I tried some lately under reduced pressure but they also equilibrated overnight. The original gold/platinun oxygen sucker in pure h2so4 works, had it running for about a week, reduced pressure down to 0.1mm Hg didn't make a difference incredibly, but the power output is totally useless either way. Looking at Moray at the moment, probably BS as well but worth a shot.
Yeah well if his government or frenemies get tired of him for any reason they can hand him over to me.I'l take special care of him
NASA Satellite launched by balloons , not rockets! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6PLFF_ke7U) (video)
Techniques that substitute satellites! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsBpwy2DhA) (video)
Other techniques that are being used to substitute satellites are:
1. GPS uses Cel-tower triangulation not Satellites
2 Undersea Cables
3. High Altitude Airships (HAA)
4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
5. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV)
6. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
7. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO)
8. StratSat
9. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC)
10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
11. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS)
12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
13. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS)
14. Google Loon System
15. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS)
16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)
Gravock
NASA - A Compilation Of Lies And Deceit! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyPN8-AbJQ) (video)
Gravock
🔬 SCIENTISM EXPOSED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIGrEtPMmE) 🔭 Flat Earth Documentary
Gravock
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American people believe is
false"
Ya but entropy is a oneway valve thistime brother
Quote from: profitis on July 19, 2017, 07:09:23 AM
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American people believe is
false"
Ya but entropy is a oneway valve thistime brother
Care to explain when entropy is a two-way valve?
Thanks,
Gravock
Flat Earth Truth Music:
Hello Flat Earth - NASA Lies (Adele Cover Song by Amber Plaster) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2nCui9aU2w)
John Lennon Knew - Flat Earth (Watching The Wheels song lyrics) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1w4CYiDtNY)
The Who - I Can See For Miles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0iqg2UanEc&list=PLYWr19MxFr4v90qPc-Af1yfJjoopj33D7&index=1)
Pink Floyd LIVE in London 1994 - Enclosed FLAT EARTH Symbolism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTe11B9-2GU)
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Mentions Flat Earth Dome Firmament During Interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oGU3IiMKiA)
Nirvana - On a Plain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsfIDl7ONo)
Paul McCartney - Fool on the Hill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wt0I60ZGp0)
Eminem lose yourself lyrics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yhyp-_hX2s)
Paint it Flat--Rollin Stones--Indiejestion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfMdJ58Qa0E)
Dear NASA, Why Are You Lying? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYIRoGB3pUU)
...
......
.........
Gravock
Largest Video Compilation With Flat Earth References In Hollywood Movies, Music, And TV Shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYThRs5hbQ)
Gravock
"Care to explain when entropy is a two-way valve?"
Under certain conditions of..hey wait,ur right it never is
Go Go Gravityblock ;D
and the truth shall set them free.
Round earth truth tunes:
Kylie minogue-better the devil u know
R.e.m.-losing my religion
Tiffany- I think we"re alone? now
Round earth truth tunes:
Kylie minogue-better the devil u know
R.e.m.-losing my religion
Tiffany- I think we"re alone? now
Flat Earth - Let There Be Light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZhj9BbIXc&feature=youtu.be) (video)
Gravock
Tears4fears- sowing the seeds
Quote from: profitis on July 19, 2017, 11:43:44 PM
Tears4fears- sowing the seeds
How did you like those satellite balloon launches by nasa? Lol. The link below is the software code used for those satellite balloon launches. Nasa is sowing the seeds of lies and deceptions!
Autonomous eXplorer Control System (https://github.com/cboshuizen/AXCS/archive/master.zip) (AXCS): AXCS enables smartphones and other mobile devices to be utilized as a ground-based test bed for operations in extreme environments.
For NASA, the technology is currently being used to evaluate hardware for balloon launches. The software's tool kits provide environmental and situational measurements, command and data handing (CD&H) functions, events timing, data logging, and communications with external devices.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
Gravock
first is Gravock looking for europe from new york
and my favorite is Gravock's scanner ( very very very empty )
Quote from: tagor on July 29, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
first is Gravock looking for europe from new york
and my favorite is Gravock's scanner ( very very very empty )
More CGI (Computer Generated Images)! I see you're following in nasa's footsteps! Lol
Gravock
"Nasa is sowing
the seeds of lies and deceptions!"
In what way gravock.tell me its intentions and I"l tell u its weaknesses
Quote from: profitis on July 29, 2017, 08:01:56 AM
"Nasa is sowing
the seeds of lies and deceptions!"
In what way gravock.tell me its intentions and I"l tell u its weaknesses
You're under a strong delusion if you can't see the lies and deceptions. The intentions of nasa is to deceive you into believing what is false so that you will be condemned through your own sinful desires. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ― Friedrich Nietzsche. You don't want your illusions destroyed, because you want to continue walking after your own sinful desires. This thread is not for you, because the truth isn't convenient for you!
(2 Thessalonians 2:11) And for this reason God will send them a strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.
ROUND EARTH CHAMPION - NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON
VS
FLAT EARTH TRUTHER - JAKE GIBSON (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pildmrRi8XE)
Gravock
Nasa And Facebook Tricked you - Must Watch!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ6-gW11us)
Gravock
Scott Kelly and the ISS Hoax Song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8AhqUyumnY), by Jake Gibson (Flat Earth Truther) <-------- This song is dedicated to Scott Kelly. (Warning: mild to strong language)
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on July 29, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
first is Gravock looking for europe from new york
You really think it's possible to see through thousands of miles of dense atmosphere, dust, evaporation, pollution, etc? Lol!
Gravock
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 19, 2017, 01:29:44 PM
Go Go Gravityblock ;D
and the truth shall set them free.
shall = may.
and the truth may set them free. If they love the truth, and the truth isn't inconvenient for them, then and only then will the truth be able to set them free. For some, there is no hope and their illusions will never be broken. :(
Gravock
Obama "We Don't Have Time" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEuUvnMfWc#t)
Gravock
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 26, 2016, 03:19:00 PM
Well said TinK!
One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp. What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?
For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations. Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.
What a shame it is.
Flat Earth = PsyOp (Satanic Lie)? Then Why Does it Bring People to God? [FE Testimony :"Miranda"] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9ucTHJx18)
Taking the "Mark" of the beast leads people to God? You have inverted and mixed the truth with lies in order for it to be inline with what is convenient for you!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 29, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
ROUND EARTH CHAMPION - NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON
VS
FLAT EARTH TRUTHER - JAKE GIBSON (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pildmrRi8XE)
Gravock
Horizon = Horizontal and does not = Curvizon!
Sea Level = Level and does not = Sea Curve!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 29, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
ROUND EARTH CHAMPION - NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON
VS
FLAT EARTH TRUTHER - JAKE GIBSON (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pildmrRi8XE)
Gravock
The earth as viewed from behind the dark side of the moon (see image below). LOL!!! This is totally ridiculous...
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 30, 2017, 02:23:30 AM
The earth as viewed from behind the dark side of the moon (see image below). LOL!!! This is totally ridiculous...
Gravock
Flat Earth Proof By Contradiction!Nasa is caught in another contradiction (lie), lol. According to nasa, the earth is really small as seen from the fake moon landings and the earth is really big as seen from the fake image that was supposedly taken from behind the dark side of the moon.
Gravock
"The intentions of nasa is to
deceive you"
Not me.atleast not me anymore.deception is a lie,a lie is negentropic.entropy see's straight thru it.if someone holds a mirror upto you and your aware of it simply dive around,underneath,over,or hell dare I say it,,,through the mirror onto the other side.the mirror is only silvered on on one side,that's its weakness
"You don't want your illusions
destroyed, because you want to continue walking
after your own sinful desires. This thread is not for
you, because the truth isn't convenient for you!"
Life is an illusion,who are you going to complain to about that
hi all.Thought i'd throw my two cents in.
Here is a pic of a test I did on the spring equinox (i'm in Australia)
I made a sundial flat to the ground with a vertical gnomon that was one inch high......25 mm....
During the day I marked the end of the shadow for each 1/2 hour while I was at work.
It can be clearly seen that points of the end of the shadow all form a straight line on that particular day.....September 22.....and it will be the same on March 21 as well.
The fact that the shadow points all form a straight line proves that the earth isn't flat!!!!
If the earth was flat and the sun moved over it, then the ends of the shadow on my sundial could never make a straight line.....NEVER!!!!
The only way it could, is if the sun changed it's height over a flat earth......and that is not what the flat earth models show.....so....the simple answer is that the earth is spherical and not flat!!
September is approaching so anyone who wants to prove this themselves can easily do so. ;) ;D
It's not rocket science.......just true empirical science.... 8)
Scotty out.......
btw......if you subtract the September angle from the June angle you will get the earth's tilt exactly......even with a tiny setup like I used!!! :) ;D
Quote from: scotty1 on July 30, 2017, 06:00:19 AM
hi all.Thought i'd throw my two cents in.
Here is a pic of a test I did on the spring equinox (i'm in Australia)
I made a sundial flat to the ground with a vertical gnomon that was one inch high......25 mm....
During the day I marked the end of the shadow for each 1/2 hour while I was at work.
It can be clearly seen that points of the end of the shadow all form a straight line on that particular day.....September 22.....and it will be the same on March 21 as well.
The fact that the shadow points all form a straight line proves that the earth isn't flat!!!!
If the earth was flat and the sun moved over it, then the ends of the shadow on my sundial could never make a straight line.....NEVER!!!!
The only way it could, is if the sun changed it's height over a flat earth......and that is not what the flat earth models show.....so....the simple answer is that the earth is spherical and not flat!!
September is approaching so anyone who wants to prove this themselves can easily do so. ;) ;D
It's not rocket science.......just true empirical science.... 8)
Scotty out.......
btw......if you subtract the September angle from the June angle you will get the earth's tilt exactly......even with a tiny setup like I used!!! :) ;D
You didn't put much thought into this, did you? The sun's
apparent height does change during your experiment. Let's use a street light as an example. As you move towards the street light, then the street light's
apparent height will increase and cast a shorter shadow. As you move away from the street light, then the street light's apparent height will decrease and cast a longer shadow. Likewise with the sun. As the sun is coming towards the vertical gnomon (on a flat earth), then the sun's apparent height will increase and cast a shorter shadow and as the sun moves away from the vertical gnomon (on a flat earth), then the sun's apparent height will decrease and cast a longer shadow. This is exactly what we see in your experiment and on the flat earth. The straight line actually proves a flat earth and not a globe!
If the earth was a globe, then a vertical gnomon on this
curved rotating surface could
never make a
straight line with the ends of the shadows on your sundial....NEVER!!!
Globalists proving the flat earth! :) ;D
Thanks Scotty,
Gravock
Quote from: profitis on July 30, 2017, 03:27:18 AM
"The intentions of nasa is to
deceive you"
Not me.atleast not me anymore.deception is a lie,a lie is negentropic.entropy see's straight thru it.if someone holds a mirror upto you and your aware of it simply dive around,underneath,over,or hell dare I say it,,,through the mirror onto the other side.the mirror is only silvered on on one side,that's its weakness
A person/organization's greatest weakness is their greatest strength. A person/organization will guard their weaknesses and won't guard their strengths. How will you dive around, underneath, over, or through the mirror onto the other side if they take counter-measures to stop you? However, nasa don't have any strengths other than being able to exploit the unguarded weaknesses of the dumb-down population. The weaknesses of the dumb-down population are unguarded because they perceive their weaknesses as being their strengths. The dumb-down population includes those who do not have a mind of their own, are not able to think for themselves, approves of censorship (
FACEBOOK) if it goes against their own beliefs, have a lack of discernment, and can only regurgitate what they've been told to believe by the authorities through the indoctrination/educational system, music, television, radio, etc.
Television = Tell a vision! <-------- The truth hidden in plain sight!)
Gravock
Nice work as always gravityblock. ;)
Don't feel too bad, most of the population you speak of, are not even real souled beings to begin with, as you may or may not know, though somehow, i feel you are aware of this.
So, with this knowledge, it would be difficult to expect them to deviate much from the scripts they are following.
Thus, why would we expect a programmed being of any kind, to have the free will to think for themselves.
Maybe this is what you really mean to reveal, when you refer to the dumb down ones.
And if you never intended to reveal this, i just did it for you. ;D
The truman show, indeed. :)
peace love light
"How will you dive around, underneath, over, or
through the mirror onto the other side if they take
counter-measures to stop you?"
What if its not you they want? What if its a piece of paper?toss it to the wind, brother lol
"The fermi show, indeed."
Peace,love....light :D
"However, nasa don't
have any strengths other than being able to exploit
the unguarded weaknesses"
But remember,nasa itself has only a handful guards.I could tunnel under those guards and use nasa"s tool against nasa (email,watsap,blutooth,communications etc) and increase entropy
"The weaknesses of the dumb-down
population are unguarded because they perceive
their weaknesses as being their strengths"
Depends where you are,how close you are to the sun(pops)
"A person/organization will guard
their weaknesses and won't guard their strengths."
Depends how close to the sun you are AND how high you are
"But remember,nasa itself has only a handful"
Entropy is such a strong force that I could even increase it INFRONT of the gods
Quote from: gravityblock on July 30, 2017, 11:54:01 PM
bla bla ...
Gravock
look at Argentines on a globe
east to weast is 1204 km
north to south is 5000 km
on the flatearth map it is a big potatoe
east to weast is near 5000 km
north to south is less than 5000 km
do you want to go running or driving a car ?
I go east to weast !
do you want to go north to south ?
north
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Quote from: gravityblock on August 01, 2017, 12:04:48 PM
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visiblement tu as des difficultés pour mettre en phase tes actes avec l'abondante propagande que tu diffuse ici !
( pour résumer tu n'as pas les couilles pour la mettre en pratique )
ben oui ... faut pas trop en demander à un cerveau raplapla ...
4,519 MILES & NO CURVE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWDJ7TuWGs&feature=youtu.be) (video)
This simple experiment is brilliantly simplistic in how easy it is to destroy the globe model with a smart phone, level meter, and a plane ticket!
If you think this experiment is about testing level floors in two locations there is no hope for you! Also, gravity in a globe model could not affect
the bubble app software in the smart phone, thus the reason for using the smart phone for the experiment.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2017, 07:22:43 AM
4,519 MILES & NO CURVE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWDJ7TuWGs&feature=youtu.be) (video)
This simple experiment is brilliantly simplistic in how easy it is to destroy the globe model with a smart phone, level meter, and a plane ticket!
If you think this experiment is about testing level floors in two locations there is no hope for you! Also, gravity in a globe model could not affect
the bubble app software in the smart phone, thus the reason for using the smart phone for the experiment.
Gravock
Pre-Flight Experiment - Test 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1h87RTzw4)
Pre-Flight Experiment - Test 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRuZ4PDjQRE)
Pre-Flight Experiment - Test 3a (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKWk1MrHL5w)
Pre-Flight Experiment - Test 3b (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr29_gnloqw)
Pre-Flight Experiment - Final (Part 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3spTb16VVw)
Pre-Flight Experiment - Final (Part2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWv69J9ywLU)
Gravock
NASA's Homeless Tweeker's Shelter! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSANJRMASII) (warning: strong language)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2017, 10:59:20 AM
NASA's Homeless Tweeker's Shelter! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSANJRMASII) (warning: strong language)
Gravock
How did nasa get that dune buggy inside their homeless tweeker shelter (lunar module)?
Gravock
did you really want to know how they packed the moon buggy?
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000731.html
first hit when i googled "lunar lander buggy storage"
Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2017, 12:40:46 PM
did you really want to know how they packed the moon buggy?
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000731.html (http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000731.html)
first hit when i googled "lunar lander buggy storage"
Still holding onto your ball? That dune buggy didn't fit or ride in that homeless tweeker's shelter! The first hit is total nonsense! How can you actually
believe that dune buggy was stored folded up inside that piece of tinfoil garbage (lunar lander)? Because nasa said so? How did they get the buggy
inside? I don't see a large enough compartment for the buggy to fit through even if it was folded up. I can see with my own eyes
how that dune buggy could never fit inside that compartment and be stored inside that homeless tweeker's shelter as nasa falsely claims.
This you-tuber will pay you or anyone else $10,000 for debunking this video on the fake moon landings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUosu0SIVk). Go claim your money!
Nasa Fake Lunar Moon Lander - Exposing this utter B.S (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orqKHKstdU8).
Gravock
One thing is certain.... YOU gravock couldn't do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8)
The first image depicts the dune buggy folded up. The second image shows the lunar lander's rover compartment that this dune buggy came out of. I don't think so!
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 02, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
One thing is certain.... YOU gravock couldn't do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8)
The second video you referenced shows the rover deployment of apollo 15 and not Apollo 17 as I referenced! The third video in your post is once again in reference to apollo 15 and not apollo 17. You're intentionally being deceitful and following in nasa's footsteps! What a way to be!
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 02, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
One thing is certain.... YOU gravock couldn't do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEjEEfnBj8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShauSWcTC4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQjseZnsb8)
The first video of your post shows a training exercise. The $10,000 video I posted shows how some of the simulated training exercises were actually used in the fake moon landings. You should watch that video, so you don't find yourself in a much deeper quagmire!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2017, 07:22:43 AM
4,519 MILES & NO CURVE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWDJ7TuWGs&feature=youtu.be) (video)
This simple experiment is brilliantly simplistic in how easy it is to destroy the globe model with a smart phone, level meter, and a plane ticket!
If you think this experiment is about testing level floors in two locations there is no hope for you! Also, gravity in a globe model could not affect
the bubble app software in the smart phone, thus the reason for using the smart phone for the experiment.
Gravock
....and this, along with so many other posts proving the flat earth, goes unchallenged by TK and the other globalists!
I'll give you ball huggers some more time to conjure up some more deceptions.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 30, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
You didn't put much thought into this, did you? The sun's apparent height does change during your experiment. Let's use a street light as an example. As you move towards the street light, then the street light's apparent height will increase and cast a shorter shadow. As you move away from the street light, then the street light's apparent height will decrease and cast a longer shadow. Likewise with the sun. As the sun is coming towards the vertical gnomon (on a flat earth), then the sun's apparent height will increase and cast a shorter shadow and as the sun moves away from the vertical gnomon (on a flat earth), then the sun's apparent height will decrease and cast a longer shadow. This is exactly what we see in your experiment and on the flat earth. The straight line actually proves a flat earth and not a globe!
If the earth was a globe, then a vertical gnomon on this curved rotating surface could never make a straight line with the ends of the shadows on your sundial....NEVER!!!
Globalists proving the flat earth! :) ;D
Thanks Scotty,
Gravock
More empirical evidence for a flat earth that goes unchallenged! Globalists, where's your coward of a master at? He's always hiding behind the scenes having others to do his bidding for him! He's making you globalists look really bad... I'm looking forward to the day when he overcomes his cowardliness and comes out into the open!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2017, 03:18:23 PM
The second video you referenced shows the rover deployment of apollo 15 and not Apollo 17 as I referenced! The third video in your post is once again in reference to apollo 15 and not apollo 17. You're intentionally being deceitful and following in nasa's footsteps! What a way to be!
Gravock
You're nuts, and grasping at straws and strawmen! What a way to be!
Apollos 15 and 17 both used essentially the same design of LEM and LRV.
So many people are laughing at you it isn't even funny.
And your "10,000 dollar" video is hilarious. Just like you, the person who pretends to be offering that money will just say "faked" to every proof given. So what is the point? He's dishonest. You are just foolish, or maybe genuinely crazy, if you sincerely believe the flat earth and moon hoax bullshit you are pushing.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 02, 2017, 05:18:52 PM
You're nuts, and grasping at straws and strawmen! What a way to be!
Apollos 15 and 17 both used essentially the same design of LEM and LRV.
So many people are laughing at you it isn't even funny.
And your "10,000 dollar" video is hilarious. Just like you, the person who pretends to be offering that money will just say "faked" to every proof given. So what is the point? He's dishonest. You are just foolish, or maybe genuinely crazy, if you sincerely believe the flat earth and moon hoax bullshit you are pushing.
The first image below is a snapshot taken from a video you referenced. It is you who is the crazy one to think that the first image below is of the same design in both apollo 15 and 17. Oh wait, the deceptive and misleading keyword is "design". Yes TK, they may have been of nearly the same design, but they are clearly not the same size or even the same LEM and LRV's for apollo 15 and 17. The LEM and LRV in image 1 doesn't even remotely look like the same LEM and LRV in image 2 or 3. If you think otherwise, then you are clearly delusional to think that the rover in image one could ever fit inside the lunar lander as seen in apollo 17 as shown in image two. Either way, you're nuts!!! It is you who is seriously dropping the ball and being laughed at.
Gravock
Gravock, what is the bubble level demo supposed to prove?
If I put a level on the side of a hill (it'll be off level) does that prove anything?
Any point on the surface of a globe will show a centered level if you put it on a level floor. That's only common sense.
And Scotty's sundial experiment is highly debatable. Just google, it's debated. The problem for flat earthers is that they don't really know how big the sun is or where to put it. If it's just about the size of the moon, and only about 3k miles above the earth ( as most FE say), then a sundial wouldn't operate as it does.
I think the best evidence for a globe earth is the sun. If the earth was flat, no matter what type of flat earth theory you prefer, you'd always see the sun. I love the sim videos of flat earthers because they always use this cone of light for the sun, and it goes completely against common sense. As bright as the sun is, even if it were above china I'd still see it. There'd be no night in a flat earth model.
(And don't say I'm doing the devils work because I'm a Christian, and that's highly offensive... also very silly)
Quote from: antijon on August 02, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
Gravock, what is the bubble level demo supposed to prove?
If I put a level on the side of a hill (it'll be off level) does that prove anything?
Any point on the surface of a globe will show a centered level if you put it on a level floor. That's only common sense.
And Scotty's sundial experiment is highly debatable. Just google, it's debated. The problem for flat earthers is that they don't really know how big the sun is or where to put it. If it's just about the size of the moon, and only about 3k miles above the earth ( as most FE say), then a sundial wouldn't operate as it does.
I think the best evidence for a globe earth is the sun. If the earth was flat, no matter what type of flat earth theory you prefer, you'd always see the sun. I love the sim videos of flat earthers because they always use this cone of light for the sun, and it goes completely against common sense. As bright as the sun is, even if it were above china I'd still see it. There'd be no night in a flat earth model.
(And don't say I'm doing the devils work because I'm a Christian, and that's highly offensive... also very silly)
You're putting your faith in mankind and not in God's Word. There are 120 scriptures supporting a geocentric design. To say you believe in the heliocentric model is rejecting God's word and this makes you not the Christian you claim or think to be. If the truth is offensive, then so be it. I'm not saying you're intentionally doing the devils work, as some may be doing here. Are you sure you're not under a strong delusion in regards to the lie and what is happening in this world? How can you deny what is happening right before your own eyes?
Gravock.
Quote from: antijon on August 02, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
Gravock, what is the bubble level demo supposed to prove?
If I put a level on the side of a hill (it'll be off level) does that prove anything?
Any point on the surface of a globe will show a centered level if you put it on a level floor. That's only common sense.
The level meter was only used as a reference point to calibrate the bubble level app of the smart phone. The bubble level app will use this reference point for what is level. However, it doesn't act as a physical bubble level would. Any point on the surface of the earth will only show a centered level if it has the same reference point that was used during the calibration of the bubble level app. Gravity in the globe model could NEVER have an affect on this bubble level app. If you follow a curve with your smart phone bubble level app, then the bubble level app of the smart phone will deviate more and more off center as you move along this curved surface or globe model. The experiment showed that Ireland is at the same level as the U.S.A. It other words, there was no curvature found over a 4500 mile distance. If there was a curvature over the 4500 miles, then the bubble level app would have deviated off-center and not show level in regards to the reference point used during the calibration of the software. This is hard empirical evidence that the earth is flat!
Gravock
Phones use an accelerometer to run the level app. Because an accelerometer is a weight balanced on springs, it will always point down towards the earth when using the level. I don't understand how this can be taken as evidence for a flat earth. It can't be really. Won't a plumb line always point straight down? Doesn't a dropped object always fall down? It's the same thing. I'm getting confused by the ludicrosity of this experiment.
I don't think I need to tell you that calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, but I will. Calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, anywhere and everywhere. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Quote from: antijon on August 02, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
Phones use an accelerometer to run the level app. Because an accelerometer is a weight balanced on springs, it will always point down towards the earth when using the level. I don't understand how this can be taken as evidence for a flat earth. It can't be really. Won't a plumb line always point straight down? Doesn't a dropped object always fall down? It's the same thing. I'm getting confused by the ludicrosity of this experiment.
I don't think I need to tell you that calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, but I will. Calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, anywhere and everywhere. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
I'll wait til TK challenges this experiment before I reply. TK likes to trip all over his feet and he quickly stepped forward after I asked where the globalists coward of a master was hiding. TK is a complete joke! ROFLMAO!!! I want TK to put his name all over this!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 02, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
I'll wait til TK challenges this experiment before I reply. TK likes to trip all over his feet and he quickly stepped forward after I asked where the globalists coward of a master was hiding. TK is a complete joke! ROFLMAO!!! I want TK to put his name all over this!
Gravock
Why wait for TK? I'm the one you should be talking to. Admit that you jumped to a conclusion before you thought about this one. Come on, the guy that made the video is a moron. And agreeing with him isn't saying much. Just admit you're wrong.
Quote from: antijon on August 03, 2017, 08:36:05 AM
Why wait for TK? I'm the one you should be talking to. Admit that you jumped to a conclusion before you thought about this one. Come on, the guy that made the video is a moron. And agreeing with him isn't saying much. Just admit you're wrong.
I want TK's name written all over this!
....and no, I didn't jump to conclusions as you have. Wait for it.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2017, 10:41:08 AM
Gravock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IWwonCpVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWdIRsaIqc8
But I personally think they are devoid of a significant amount of of cognitive functions and have a lot of psychological disorders
https://www.verywell.com/what-is-a-psychological-disorder-2795767
( take your pills graveok )
Quote from: tagor on August 01, 2017, 09:51:02 AM
look at Argentines on a globe
east to weast is 1204 km
north to south is 5000 km
on the flatearth map it is a big potatoe
east to weast is near 5000 km
north to south is less than 5000 km
do you want to go running or driving a car ?
I go east to weast !
do you want to go north to south ?
north
I'm not sure how to respond to your question since you provided the wrong distances for both the length and width of Argentina on the globe model. You said the length (N - S) is less than 5000 km, but the Nations Encyclopedia (http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Argentina-LOCATION-SIZE-AND-EXTENT.html) states the length is 3,650 km. You have over-stated the length of Argentina by 1350 km. You also said the width (E - W) is 1204 km, but the Nations Encyclopedia states the width is 1,430 km. You have under-stated the width of Argentina by 226 km. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be deceitful in this thread. If you can't calculate or state the distances properly on the globe model, then how do you expect me to think you can calculate or state the distances properly on a flat earth map?
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 03, 2017, 12:02:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IWwonCpVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IWwonCpVk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWdIRsaIqc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWdIRsaIqc8)
But I personally think they are devoid of a significant amount of of cognitive functions and have a lot of psychological disorders
https://www.verywell.com/what-is-a-psychological-disorder-2795767 (https://www.verywell.com/what-is-a-psychological-disorder-2795767)
( take your pills graveok )
The psychological disorders and pills you speak of are nothing more than a psychological projection by you! A psychological projection (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiH6ZiNzLvVAhVq2oMKHRfSCeQQFggwMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPsychological_projection&usg=AFQjCNGLkmNOeAizyKR4STjX-QfFk-LcJQ) is when a person defends themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2017, 01:34:46 PM
The psychological disorders and pills
blabla ...
Gravock
yes take your pills
flatearth is dead in 44 sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZnjAUdwzo
Quote from: gravityblock on August 03, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
If you can't calculate or state the distances properly on the globe model, then how do you expect me to think you can calculate or state the distances properly on a flat earth map?
Gravock
you don't know what you speak of
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/645267-esto-es-correr-5-140-kilometros-desde-la-quiaca-hasta-ushuaia/
take your pills
"when a person
defends themselves against their own unconscious
impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by
denying their existence in themselves while
attributing them to others."
Almost like when a nerd attacks a jock under cover of darkness but when the sun comes up the nerd is just a nerd again
Quote from: profitis on August 04, 2017, 03:27:22 AM
"when a person
defends themselves against their own unconscious
impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by
denying their existence in themselves while
attributing them to others."
Almost like when a nerd attacks a jock under cover of darkness but when the sun comes up the nerd is just a nerd again
Projection: When people defend themselves against their own ... - Reddit (https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjCuue3o73VAhWFblAKHSSeBMgQFggvMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FThe_Donald%2Fcomments%2F6c5s8h%2Fprojection_when_people_defend_themselves_against%2F&usg=AFQjCNGOLlRBYtQZNoZcqyUVzgzMhyoPzg)https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjCuue3o73VAhWFblAKHSSeBMgQFggvMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FThe_Donald%2Fcomments%2F6c5s8h%2Fprojection_when_people_defend_themselves_against%2F&usg=AFQjCNGOLlRBYtQZNoZcqyUVzgzMhyoPzg
19 mai 2017 - Projection: When
people defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves
graveok does not know what he is speaking of
"graveok does not know what he is speaking of"
All smoke n mirrors
Quote from: tagor on August 04, 2017, 02:29:41 AM
you don't know what you speak of
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/645267-esto-es-correr-5-140-kilometros-desde-la-quiaca-hasta-ushuaia/ (http://www.mdzol.com/nota/645267-esto-es-correr-5-140-kilometros-desde-la-quiaca-hasta-ushuaia/)
take your pills
'you don't know what you speak of......take your pills' <------ Another Psycological Projecdtion by you!
Look at the path and terrain the runner took through argentina (image shown below). Does the path look like a straight
path to you? The distance the runner took through argentina isn't the length of argentina!
Gravock
Quote from: profitis on August 04, 2017, 02:13:29 PM
"graveok does not know what he is speaking of"
All smoke n mirrors
Yes, tagor is all smoke n mirrors! ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Quote from: antijon on August 02, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
Phones use an accelerometer to run the level app. Because an accelerometer is a weight balanced on springs, it will always point down towards the earth when using the level. I don't understand how this can be taken as evidence for a flat earth. It can't be really. Won't a plumb line always point straight down? Doesn't a dropped object always fall down? It's the same thing. I'm getting confused by the ludicrosity of this experiment.
I don't think I need to tell you that calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, but I will. Calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, anywhere and everywhere. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
It doesn't appear anyone else is challenging this experiment, other than you! Are you sure you didn't miss something?
How can the accelermeter not effect the bubble level app of the smart phone during the experiment? It's so simple...
Gravock
Actual footage of the astroNOT who is supposed to be in space:
AstroNOT Tim Peake being filmed in front of a chromakey screen - Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CvRUO-pVvo)
Grid Blue Screen EXPLAINED!! | NASA Caught Using A Chromakey Screen (Green Screen) - Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAOTejWtoOI)
Gravock
ball worship = baal worship
Gravock
Étienne Klein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Klein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Klein)
profitis ! you can listen what he is saying about flatearthers :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj5r1ry2TTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj5r1ry2TTU)
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Hello, I would like to share a moment with Étienne Klein Director of Research at the CEA,
where flat earth is evoked.
I would like to share with you the beginning of the discussion that leads to this idea.
To judge, be a good observer: words, gestures. Good viewing.
Excerpt from this conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlP8bom5F9k
You're grasping at straws again gravock. It's no secret that they use the screen in the ISS. https://youtu.be/YCO_4UFINBQ
I don't know what you're referring to about the accelerometer. How about you just tell me how you think it should work on a flat earth and a globe.
Quote from: antijon on August 05, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
You're grasping at straws again gravock. It's no secret that they use the screen in the ISS. https://youtu.be/YCO_4UFINBQ (https://youtu.be/YCO_4UFINBQ)
Unbelievable. They're showing you right before your own eyes, and you still believe in this trickster. LOL
Gravock
Quote from: antijon on August 05, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
I don't know what you're referring to about the accelerometer.
It is you who brought up the accelerometer and not me.
Gravock
Quote from: antijon on August 02, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
Phones use an accelerometer to run the level app. Because an accelerometer is a weight balanced on springs, it will always point down towards the earth when using the level. I don't understand how this can be taken as evidence for a flat earth. It can't be really. Won't a plumb line always point straight down? Doesn't a dropped object always fall down? It's the same thing. I'm getting confused by the ludicrosity of this experiment.
I don't think I need to tell you that calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, but I will. Calibrating a level on a level floor will yield the same result on any level floor, anywhere and everywhere. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Yes, a plumb line will always point straight down, but not the accelermeter as you have falsely asserted. The accelermeter can point in any direction and show level (you should watch the pre-flight experiments). If you think otherwise, then you are clearly delusional and don't understand the reason for setting a reference point for level during calibration. The phone was off during the entire experiment, thus gravity and the accelerometer had no effect on the bubble level app during the experiment. Ireland being on the other side of the so-called globe could never show level in regards to the same reference point for level obtained during calibration in the u.s.a. However, Ireland does show level using the same reference point obtained in the u.s.a, thus the earth is flat!
Gravock
I haven't falsely asserted anything, I know an accelerometer can show a force in any direction. And when an accelerometer is motionless the dominant force acting on it is gravity. That's why the guy didn't put it on his head and do the Macarena when he calibrated it. He wanted it to be calibrated to the level of the floor, as by gravity.
The calibration has nothing to do with location, it only allows you, the user, to set it to show level at what you believe is level. A normal bubble level doesn't need to be calibrated, and you can see what it shows in the video, two level floors. So congrats to the engineers and contractors that built the airports.
Likewise it doesn't matter if the phone was turned off or on, the calibration would remain the same. I don't know where you're coming up with these arguments but you're misunderstanding everything. How do you not see what you're saying as being wrong? I just don't understand. :-\
Quote from: antijon on August 05, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
I haven't falsely asserted anything, I know an accelerometer can show a force in any direction. And when an accelerometer is motionless the dominant force acting on it is gravity. That's why the guy didn't put it on his head and do the Macarena when he calibrated it. He wanted it to be calibrated to the level of the floor, as by gravity.
The calibration has nothing to do with location, it only allows you, the user, to set it to show level at what you believe is level. A normal bubble level doesn't need to be calibrated, and you can see what it shows in the video, two level floors. So congrats to the engineers and contractors that built the airports.
Likewise it doesn't matter if the phone was turned off or on, the calibration would remain the same. I don't know where you're coming up with these arguments but you're misunderstanding everything. How do you not see what you're saying as being wrong? I just don't understand. :-\
The accelerometer can only detect acceleration and not gravity itself. The accelerometer resting on the floor during calibration isn't undergoing acceleration, thus the accelerometer isn't calibrated on a level floor by gravity as you have once again falsely asserted. Gravity is nothing more than density and buoyancy. Anything heavier than air will fall through it and anything lighter than air will rise.
Gravock
antijon,
Let me ask you this question. Do you think Ireland has the same reference point for level relative to a reference point for level in the u.s.a on a globe model? I can easily provide an illustration showing how a person standing at one location on a globe doesn't have the same reference point for level, up, down, left, and right relative to a person who is on the other side of the fake globe.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
antijon,
Let me ask you this question. Do you think Ireland has the same reference point for level relative to a reference point for level in the u.s.a on a globe model? I can easily provide an illustration showing how a person standing at one location on a globe doesn't have the same reference point for level, up, down, left, and right relative to a person who is on the other side of the fake globe.
Gravock
The author of confusion baal (ball) destroyed by it's own theory of relativity. ROFLMAO!!! On the flat earth, EVERYONE has the same reference point for what is level, up, down, etc., thus the theory of relativity is literally total B.S from baal (ball).
Gravock
LOL
Quote from: antijon on August 05, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
I haven't falsely asserted anything, I know an accelerometer can show a force in any direction. And when an accelerometer is motionless the dominant force acting on it is gravity. That's why the guy didn't put it on his head and do the Macarena when he calibrated it. He wanted it to be calibrated to the level of the floor, as by gravity.
The calibration has nothing to do with location, it only allows you, the user, to set it to show level at what you believe is level. A normal bubble level doesn't need to be calibrated, and you can see what it shows in the video, two level floors. So congrats to the engineers and contractors that built the airports.
Likewise it doesn't matter if the phone was turned off or on, the calibration would remain the same. I don't know where you're coming up with these arguments but you're misunderstanding everything. How do you not see what you're saying as being wrong? I just don't understand. :-\
Flat Earth pseudoscience is a symptoms of anti-intellectualism
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In the 1990s and early 2000s, a lot of the online presence of Flat Earth societies on various websites and forums was probably based on satire. With the advent of YouTube and the growing conspiracy movements, more and more people have seriously claimed that the earth is flat. Before, many cranks were often socially isolated and rarely encountered thousands of other people who shared their viewpoints.
With the Internet, it has become possible to connect with people who share your own worldview and experience enormous reinforcement. It is also very easy to become ideologically isolated online with search engines silently adapting to your search behavior and showing you material that the search engine algorithm has predicted that you want to see. This is ultimately done to monetize the preferences of individuals, but has the disturbing side effect of reducing the amount of divergent information that a person will see. It is like a form of technological confirmation bias. On social media, you also get to decide who you follow and who to block, further strengthening ideological isolation. Technological and social filter bubbles skew their world.
Ultimately, the Flat Earth movement is a symptom of anti-intellectualism. It is an extreme distrust of modernity and science on the base of a conspiracy theory that does not even remotely make sense even by the low standards of conspiracy theories. For some reason, all the governments of 200+ countries of the world have decided to fool people into thinking that the Earth is really shaped like a sphere. On the Flat Earth model, Antarctica is at the ends of the flat disc, and protected by the military. Why all the governments of the world are conspiring together and why they are trying to hide the supposed fact that the Earth is flat is exceptionally difficult for Flat Earth activists to understand.
Debunking Flat Earth conspiracy theories is thus one aspect of combating anti-intellectualism.
Good way to illustrate how people can fall for misinformation
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Many people have a hard time to imagine how "people could be that dumb" to believe that the Earth is flat. It is often challenging to fathom how people can come to believe the most radically absurd claims about the world that we know are false. However, it is a simplification to blame it all on personal factors like a supposed lack of intelligence. This is because it not only underestimates situational factors, but also fails to explain why many, very intelligent people also accept pseudoscience and quackery.
Flat Earth pseudoscience, due to its patently absurd content, offers a stark reality of the power of misinformation. Misinformation can contribute to people starting to buy into claim that are so strongly incompatible with everything we know about basic physics. The realization that there are people who think the Earth is flat can in many ways be sobering and make it easier to understand how and why people can be ignorant and misinformed enough to be against vaccines or reject climate science.
Although Flat Earth conspiracy theories do not have anywhere near the level of danger that the anti-vaccine and climate denial have, it stands out because we have known that the Earth is not flat since the ancient Greeks like Aristotle and Eratosthenes. There is very little, if any, opposition among major political ideologies to labelling Flat Earth beliefs as pseudoscience, so it is in some ways a set of claims that almost everyone, except Flat Earth believers, can agree on is pseudoscience. It also opens up for conversations like "well if there are people who are misinformed enough to think the Earth is flat, maybe they could be misinformed on other issues as well?"
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2017, 03:23:36 PM
The accelerometer can only detect acceleration and not gravity itself. The accelerometer resting on the floor during calibration isn't undergoing acceleration, thus the accelerometer isn't calibrated on a level floor by gravity as you have once again falsely asserted. Gravity is nothing more than density and buoyancy. Anything heavier than air will fall through it and anything lighter than air will rise.
Gravock
I've heard this argument before, about density and acceleration. If you don't believe that gravity exists then I can't argue with that, there's too much evidence for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment Refer to the cavendish experiment to see that there is a force acting on objects. This is gravity.
It's good to be skeptical, skepticism is the basis of science. But denying evidence simply to support your dogma is not scientific.
Quote from: antijon on August 06, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
. But denying evidence simply to support your dogma is not scientific.
denying evidence simply to support dogma is pseudoscience
grave can say earth is flat without any proof
I can say earth is not flat without any proof
( you can't argue with flatearthers )
by many evidences earth is not flat , grave do your own search !
Quote from: antijon on August 06, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
I've heard this argument before, about density and acceleration. If you don't believe that gravity exists then I can't argue with that, there's too much evidence for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment) Refer to the cavendish experiment to see that there is a force acting on objects. This is gravity.
It's good to be skeptical, skepticism is the basis of science. But denying evidence simply to support your dogma is not scientific.
It's already been shown and proven the accelerometer isn't calibrated on a level floor by acceleration or gravity as you have falsely asserted. Until you can show otherwise, you have no real argument. Your fake gravity is nothing more than a red herring. According to your logic, the accelerometer would always act as a plumb line and the bubble level app could never go off-center because of your fake gravity. This isn't what we see in the real world. Even if your fake gravity existed, you can't prove or show how the accelerometer is calibrated by gravity resting on a level floor. There are a lot of things that exist in the real world, but this doesn't mean those things are responsible for calibrating the accelerometer resting on a level floor simply on the basis that they exist, thus your cavendish experiment is also another red herring. You're worshiping a fake imaginary ball (baal).
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 05, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
antijon,
Let me ask you this question. Do you think Ireland has the same reference point for level relative to a reference point for level in the u.s.a on a globe model?
Gravock
This simple question has been conveniently ignored by antijon!
Gravock
Neil DeGrasse Tyson in a homeless tweaker's shelter shirt!
...and the ballers are going to cry this is a fake!
ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 06, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
This simple question has been conveniently ignored by antijon!
Gravock
I didn't ignore you, I already answered that previously. There is no reference point. Everything, everywhere on the earth, will always be attracted to the earth and the direction will always point towards the center of the earth. In other words, things always fall down.
About Cavendish, and many other reasons to believe in gravity, I'm going to refer back to TK - you will always say it's fake. For anything else, like Tagor said - do your own search.
Quote from: antijon on August 06, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
I didn't ignore you, I already answered that previously. There is no reference point. Everything, everywhere on the earth, will always be attracted to the earth and the direction will always point towards the center of the earth. In other words, things always fall down.
Please explain how the bubble level app could ever go off-center if the accelerometer is always pointing towards the center of the earth due to gravity as you falsely assert. You can't, because the bubble level app does go off-center relative to it's reference point for level, thus your fake gravity is once again a red herring. You can't compare an accelerometer to a plumb line, lol.
Gravock
Quote from: antijon on August 06, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
About Cavendish, and many other reasons to believe in gravity, I'm going to refer back to TK - you will always say it's fake. For anything else, like Tagor said - do your own search.
I have done my own research. Apparently you have not and you're only following a script! There are modified versions of the cavendish experiment that suggests gravity is a pushing force and not an attractive force. In addition to this, sometimes there is an attraction, sometimes there is a repulsion, and sometimes very little happens in these experiments. The results are not consistent due to air currents, imperfect pivot points, gaps, expansion/contraction due to temperature changes, etc.
....and this is your proof for your fake gravity? ROFLMAO!!!!!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 06, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
I have done my own research. Apparently you have not and you're only following a script! There are modified versions of the cavendish experiment that suggests gravity is a pushing force and not an attractive force. In addition to this, sometimes there is an attraction, sometimes there is a repulsion, and sometimes very little happens in these experiments. The results are not consistent due to air currents, imperfect pivot points, gaps, expansion/contraction due to temperature changes, etc.
Gravock
Here's a history of the evolution of astronomy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py27Wgo-WIU) from the time of the Roman Empire up to the present day;
showing it to be an amazing series of blunders founded upon. Where is your research based on real science antijon? All I see from you are false assertions based on a false science taken from a script that you can't back up.
Gravock
Quote from: antijon on August 06, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
I didn't ignore you, I already answered that previously. There is no reference point. Everything, everywhere on the earth, will always be attracted to the earth and the direction will always point towards the center of the earth. In other words, things always fall down.
You did not actually answer the question antijon, as you have falsely asserted. A person standing in Ireland does not have the same reference point for level, up, down, etc.
relative to another person standing in the u.s.a. on a globe model. You conveniently over-looked the
"relative to" portion of the question. Here's the question again: "Do you think Ireland has the same reference point for level
relative to a reference point for level in the u.s.a on a globe model?"
Gravock
ballistics what is this ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile#Kinetic_projectiles
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A projectile is any object thrown into space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space) (empty or not) by the exertion of a force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile#cite_note-1) Although any object in motion through space (for example a thrown baseball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_%28ball%29)) may be called a projectile, the term more commonly refers to a ranged weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranged_weapon).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile#cite_note-3) Mathematical equations of motion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_of_motion) are used to analyze projectile trajectory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajectory).
but if gravity does not exist !
where is the math used by a flatearther to rich the target ?
Quote from: gravityblock on August 06, 2017, 10:23:20 PM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
where is the flatearth map ?
you can not answear ?
but you have to admit that , for argentina :
- east to weast is less than 1500 km
- north to south is lmore than 3500 km
so the flatearth map ( look a fiew post before ) curently used in various forum , is TOTALY false
Quote from: tagor on August 07, 2017, 09:53:03 AM
where is the flatearth map ?
you can not answear ?
but you have to admit that , for argentina :
- east to weast is less than 1500 km
- north to south is lmore than 3500 km
so the flatearth map ( look a fiew post before ) curently used in various forum , is TOTALY false
a simpler image would be the length of the equator and its distance to the north pole.
6,000 miles between them and 24,874 around the equator.
of course on a flat earth if the equator was 6,000 miles from the north pole it would be 37,680 miles long.
you would think somebody would notice a thing like that.
Carry on globalists, this is getting really comical!
30 kings dethroned!!!
Gravock
Quote from: fritznien on August 07, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
a simpler image would be the length of the equator and its distance to the north pole.
6,000 miles between them and 24,874 around the equator.
of course on a flat earth if the equator was 6,000 miles from the north pole it would be 37,680 miles long.
you would think somebody would notice a thing like that.
The distance between the equator and the north pole on your fake globe model is not 6,000 miles as you have falsely asserted. The distance between them is 3959 miles. You have over-stated the distance by 2041 miles.
3959 miles between them and 24,875 around the equator.
Of course, on a flat earth if the equator is 3959 miles from the north pole it would be 24,875 miles long.
You would think somebody would notice a thing like that. <------Please Tell... ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 07, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
where is the math used by a flatearther to rich the target ?
You tell me where the math is tagor, since you are a flat earther. The math is only needed on your fake imaginary ball. Here's a video of tagor (https://youtu.be/sWhcDfWa-uM?t=1481) out in the field applying is fake imaginary ball math to reach the target in the real world on the flat earth! ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 07, 2017, 09:53:03 AM
where is the flatearth map ?
you can not answear ?
but you have to admit that , for argentina :
- east to weast is less than 1500 km
- north to south is lmore than 3500 km
so the flatearth map ( look a fiew post before ) curently used in various forum , is TOTALY false
Where is this flat earth map that is a few posts before that you keep referring to? I can't find it!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 07, 2017, 11:13:36 PM
bla bla bla
Gravock
grave feel free with your flat brain !
Artificial_intelligence is not good , no math is needed on a flat earth !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence
look at this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/18/security-robot-drowns-office-fountain/
Quote(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/800613365370396672/I7htR8jp_normal.jpg) Bilal Farooqui @bilalfarooqui Our D.C. office building got a security robot. It drowned itself.
We were promised flying cars, instead we got suicidal robots. pic.twitter.com/rGLTAWZMjn (https://t.co/rGLTAWZMjn)
Quote from: tagor on August 01, 2017, 09:51:02 AM
look at Argentines on a globe
east to weast is 1204 km
north to south is 5000 km
on the flatearth map it is a big potatoe
east to weast is near 5000 km
north to south is less than 5000 km
do you want to go running or driving a car ?
I go east to weast !
do you want to go north to south ?
north
Where is this big potato you speak of?
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 02:32:52 AM
grave feel free with your flat brain !
Artificial_intelligence is not good , no math is needed on a flat earth !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence)
look at this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/18/security-robot-drowns-office-fountain/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/18/security-robot-drowns-office-fountain/)
31 kings dethroned!!!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2017, 02:45:07 AM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
could you think a flatearth buying this ?
( Could anyone try to sell this cordless extension cord to a flatearther ? )
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 02:50:57 AM
could you think a flatearth buying this ?
( Could anyone try to sell this cordless extension cord to a flatearther ? )
I could only see a ball hugger buying that! Ball huggers are easily deceived into believing something is real, even when it is clearly a fake!
Gravock
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 31, 2017, 03:33:51 AM
Nice work as always gravityblock. ;)
Don't feel too bad, most of the population you speak of, are not even real souled beings to begin with, as you may or may not know, though somehow, i feel you are aware of this.
So, with this knowledge, it would be difficult to expect them to deviate much from the scripts they are following.
Thus, why would we expect a programmed being of any kind, to have the free will to think for themselves.
Maybe this is what you really mean to reveal, when you refer to the dumb down ones.
And if you never intended to reveal this, i just did it for you. ;D
The truman show, indeed. :)
peace love light
You're right! They can't be souled beings to begin with when they are worshiping a fake imaginary ball, which is the image of the beast (baal).
Gravock
NO , grave is not dangerous
- he is ignoring geography
- he is ignoring gravity
- he is ignoring mathematics
- he is ignoring ballistics
- he is ignoring coriolis
Coriolis drift
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The Coriolis effect causes Coriolis drift, both horizontally and vertically. The deflection is to the right of the trajectory in the northern hemisphere, to the left in the southern hemisphere, upward for eastward shots, and downward for westward shots. The vertical Coriolis deflection is also known as the Eötvös effect. Coriolis drift is not an aerodynamic effect; it is a consequence of the rotation of the Earth.
The magnitude of the Coriolis effect is small. For small arms, the magnitude of the Coriolis effect is generally insignificant (for high powered rifles in the order of about 10 cm (3.9 in) at 1,000 m (1,094 yd)), but for ballistic projectiles with long flight times, such as extreme long-range rifle projectiles, artillery, and rockets like intercontinental ballistic missiles, it is a significant factor in calculating the trajectory. The magnitude of the drift depends on the firing and target location, azimuth of firing, projectile velocity and time of flight.
he never could be a long distance snipper !
he is not dangerous he is only stupid
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2017, 04:03:02 AM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
picard
http://bertrandpiccard.com/tradition-familiale-auguste-piccard
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Auguste Piccard, né le 28 janvier 1884 à Bâle (Suisse), professeur de physique à l'Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Zürich, puis à l'Université de Bruxelles, ami d'Albert Einstein et de Marie Curie, ouvre la voie à l'aviation moderne et à la conquête spatiale en inventant le principe de la cabine pressurisée et du ballon stratosphérique. Testant toujours lui-même ses inventions, il effectue les deux premières ascensions dans la stratosphère (à 15'780 puis 16'201 mètres d'altitude en 1931 et 1932), y étudie les rayons cosmiques et devient de fait le premier homme à voir de ses propres yeux la courbure de la Terre. Pour la première fois, un être humain a pénétré dans la stratosphère et a démontré qu'il est possible de survivre longtemps au-dessus de la limite des 5000 mètres considérée alors comme infranchissable.
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[Wikipedia] On May 27, 1931, Auguste Piccard and Paul Kipfer took off from Augsburg, Germany, and reached a record altitude of 15,781 m (51,775 ft). (FAI Record File Number 10634) During this flight, Piccard was able to gather substantial data on the upper atmosphere, as well as measure cosmic rays. On 18 August 1932, launched from Dübendorf, Switzerland, Piccard and Max Cosyns made a second record-breaking ascent to 16,201 m (53,153 ft). (FAI Record File Number 6590) He ultimately made a total of twenty-seven balloon flights, setting a final record of 23,000 m (75,459 ft).
he was the first man to see the globe ( and not the pizza )
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 07:45:43 AM
picard ....
he was the first man to see the globe ( and not the pizza )
No offense intended.
I don't believe he could have, and here is an excerpt from a scaled drawing with math/dimensions to show why he couldn't have.
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on August 08, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
No offense intended.
I don't believe he could have, and here is an excerpt from a scaled drawing with math/dimensions to show why he couldn't have.
LOL are you serious ?
you can see the curvature at see level , with a 0 to 180° angle and very calm sea ...
and more you climb and more curvature you can see
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 07:45:43 AM
picard
http://bertrandpiccard.com/tradition-familiale-auguste-piccard (http://bertrandpiccard.com/tradition-familiale-auguste-piccard)
he was the first man to see the globe ( and not the pizza )
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 11:43:14 AM
LOL are you serious ?
you can see the curvature at see level , with a 0 to 180° angle and very calm sea ...
and more you climb and more curvature you can see
You're clearly delusional! He was not the first man to see the globe as you have falsely asserted. What about the
documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful
balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked
how the earth appeared at that altitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak)
credit for the above goes to partzmanGravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
You're clearly delusional! He was not the first man to see the globe as you have falsely asserted. What about the
documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful
balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked
how the earth appeared at that altitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak)
credit for the above goes to partzman
Gravock
tagor, get a copy of The Kane Republican from May, 29th 1921... 'A picture of the Earth as a huge disc with an upturned
edge, shrouded in a steaming coppery mist' was 'DRAWN' today by PROFESSOR AUGUSTE PICCARD'... He drew what
he saw! He describes this than 'rather than the globe...' His OWN words.
See also: The Indiana Weekly Messenger, October 1st 1931, page 11.
Also, The Literary Digest, Volume 109 page 7. The Urbana Daily Courier, Oct 5th 1931. His family records and
PHOTOGRAPHS are kept in Minnisota.
Guess what? It's FLAT!
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 08, 2017, 11:43:14 AM
LOL are you serious ?
you can see the curvature at see level , with a 0 to 180° angle and very calm sea ...
and more you climb and more curvature you can see
Seriously: Yes, "Auguste Piccard
saw no globe" looking out, across, down or any other way from only 14+ miles above the surface he left from .
You wrote about him being; "the first man to see the globe" -
NOT ABOUT seeing curvature.Math does not lie and is emotion free. It shows he could not have seen
"the globe" regardless of whether it exists or not.
Piccard saw what he was able to see - nothing more, nothing less, all of which came to him through the curved lenses of his own eyes.
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on August 08, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
No offense intended.
I don't believe he could have, and here is an excerpt from a scaled drawing with math/dimensions to show why he couldn't have.
Nice!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 08, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
Auguste Antoine Piccard: The Man Who did NOT see the Flat Earth. (https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/6dmzmm/auguste_antoine_piccard_the_man_who_did_not_see/) (self.flatearth (https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/))
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Alright this is a rebuttal to another thread made by some flattard,it's all taken from a youtube comment.
"The "flatters" are really dishonest guys, let me tell you why...
They found one article, where there's a short phrase (without any kind of explanation) that says : "It seemed a flat disk with upturned edge." http://theylie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ten-Miles-High-Article-about-Auguste-Piccard-jpg.jpg (http://theylie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ten-Miles-High-Article-about-Auguste-Piccard-jpg.jpg) And they're all : "DAMN !!! THE FIRST MAN WHOSE GONE TO THE STRATOSPHERE HAVE'NT SEEN THE CURVE OF THE EARTH !!! WHAT A HARD PROOF OF A FLAT EARTH !!!"
An honest guy would say that they're not the words of Mr Piccard, but the words of the journalist. Because there's no quotes ("...") around this sentence, but in the same article, there's quotes around the words "blue air" followed by : "as Piccard reported"
But whatever, If they would have made a semblance of research about Auguste Piccard, his familly and his descendants... They should have known that never a "Piccard" would have doubted a second that the earth is round.
For example : Bertrand Piccard (grand son) "was the first to complete a non stop balloon flight around the globe." and "co-pilot on the first round-the-world solar flight." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Piccard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Piccard)
But, I know what a flatter would say right now : "Bertrand Piccard thinks he made a flight around the globe, but he just made a circle on the flat earth".
So, let's go back to Auguste Piccard and what he really think about the shape of the earth. And not article by someone who could write what he want; Those are the words of Auguste Piccard himself, in his first language, about the flights he made in the stratosphere :
http://www.rts.ch/archives/radio/divers/emission-sans-nom/3365397-stratosphere-vaincue.html (http://www.rts.ch/archives/radio/divers/emission-sans-nom/3365397-stratosphere-vaincue.html)
Auguste Piccard is Swiss, so his first language is French, but fortunately I'm French ;) So I can translate it : At 07:28, -the interviewer ask : "at this altitude, can you see the curvature of the earth?"
-Auguste Piccard answers : "Probably, we shall see it if we look exactly with a ruler we can
certainly see that the earth is curved, but through the portholes we did not notice, it does not strike."
It seems that Auguste Piccard was pretty convinced about the curvature of the earth, and says what all the globers say about what you can see with a balloon at this altitude... So the flatters made a hard proof that they're extremely dishonest when they diverts a sentence of a journalist and use it for affirming that Auguste Piccard said that the earth is flat while it's totaly wrong."
how a flatearther can explain : mercury retrograde ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV0PV9MF88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV0PV9MF88)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FrZz_zJFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FrZz_zJFU)
Carry on tagor, lol!
Gravock
Tagor is way ahead of his group! This one don't follow a script as the other script kiddies do. ROFLMAO!!!
Gravock
how a flatearther can explain this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AF-kL6HrcU
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Ajoutée le 7 août 2017This video combines time-lapse footage from a B700 camera at 10 fps and 24 fps and video footage from a P900
The Eclipse occurred exactly as predicted by the Heliocentric Model.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/i... (https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/australia/sydney)
The orientation is exactly as it appears in Sydney Australia and was shown on Local TV with the same angle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78fS0... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78fS0cKP3YM)
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video... (https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/36643262/did-you-see-the-partial-lunar-eclipse/#page2)
Why the Eclipse shadow position was different viewed from Sydney?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9l7hUtUyKo
Quote from: tagor on August 09, 2017, 03:26:23 AM
Auguste Antoine Piccard: The Man Who did NOT see the Flat Earth. (https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/6dmzmm/auguste_antoine_piccard_the_man_who_did_not_see/) (self.flatearth (https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/))
The first link in your referenced you-tube comment is a dead link. The second link in your referenced you-tube comment uses Auguste Piccard's grand son, Bertrand Piccard, as a red herring and is totally irrelevant to what was said by Auguste Piccard in 1931. The third link in your referenced you-tube comment references an audio of what Auguste Piccard said on July 21 1954 (see image below). In other-words, the you-tube comment is using an audio of Auguste Piccard in 1954 to discredit what Auguste Piccard said in 1931. This is nothing more than a deceitful bait-and-switch failure by you ball huggers.
In addition to this, the conclusion of the you-tube comment isn't even inline with what Auguste Piccard said on July 21 1954: At 07:28, -the interviewer ask : "at this altitude, can you see the curvature of the earth?" -Auguste Piccard answers : "
Probably, we shall see it
if we look exactly with a ruler we can certainly see that the earth is curved,
but through the portholes we did not notice, it does not strike." Auguste Piccard clearly says the curvature of the earth wasn't noticeable to the naked eye and the curve of the earth would
probably be visible
if they had used a ruler. A ruler was never used, and Auguste Piccard in 1954 further states that no curve of the earth was noticeable through the porthole. Auguste Piccard didn't notice a curve over a 335 mile view through the porthole! The curvature over 335 miles is 14.1658 miles or 74,795.53 feet. No ruler would be necessary to see this amount of curvature.
Below are more quotes from the reference of your you-tube comment:
"The "flatters" are really dishonest guys, let me tell you why..." <----- We can clearly see after analying this you-tube comment that this is nothing more than a psychological projection.
"An honest guy would say that they're not the words of Mr Piccard, but the words of the journalist." <------ Since when does an honest guy use a deceitful bait-and-switch tactic while misleading the reader with false assertions and red herrings?
In addition to this, the you-tube commenter has conveniently over-looked the picture drawn by Auguste Piccard in 1931 showing a flat disc with up-turned edges. He's also overlooked the Kane Republican from May, 29th 1931, The Indiana Weekly Messenger, October 1st 1931, page 11, The Literary Digest, Volume 109 page 7, and The Urbana Daily Courier, Oct 5th 1931.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 10, 2017, 03:37:07 AM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
NO , grave is not dangerous
- he is ignoring geography
- he is ignoring gravity
- he is ignoring mathematics
- he is ignoring ballistics
- he is ignoring Coriolis
- he is ignoring Kepler
- he is ignoring Newton
- he is ignoring astronmy
with the flatearth pizza under his Cheese bell lighting with a torch
he is only stupid
Quote from: tagor on August 09, 2017, 03:34:33 AM
how a flatearther can explain : mercury retrograde ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV0PV9MF88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV0PV9MF88)
tagor, you do realize the retrograde motion of mercury is unobservant and is only a figment of man's imagination? The first two images below are a sequence of snapshots taken from your video reference on the retrograde of mercury. Starting around 1m18s in the video she says (https://youtu.be/FtV0PV9MF88?t=78), "
But assuming you could see it, here's a diagram of how the Mercury retrograde illusion would work". Once again, the ball worshipers are found worshiping yet another fake imaginary thing! ROFLMAO!!!
The third image below is a snapshot from wiki on apparent motion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_retrograde_motion#From_Earth). Wiki says, "Inner planets Venus and Mercury appear to move in retrograde in a similar mechanism,
but as they can never be in opposition to the Sun as seen from Earth, their retrograde cycles are tied to their inferior conjunctions with the Sun.[5] They are
unobservable in the Sun's glare and in their "new" phase, with mostly their dark sides toward Earth; they occur in the transition from morning star to evening star."
Assuming the fake imaginary apparent retrograde motion of mercury is visible and observable, she recreated this illusion on a flat table top starting around 1m53s of the video (https://youtu.be/FtV0PV9MF88?t=113), which clearly explains how the mercury retrograde illusion would work on a flat earth. There are simulations that show how it can work with or without the fake apparent retrograde motion on a flat earth.
This is more B.S. from your fake imaginary baal ball model (idol)!
Gravock
AstroNOT, Don Pettit, in January 2017 says in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOG3UTOsEtc), "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond, but the problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again" (see images below).
Pettit claims nasa destroyed the rocket technology that got them to the moon! ROFLMAO
Our smartphones are millions of times more powerful than all of NASA's combined computing (http://www.zmescience.com/research/technology/smartphone-power-compared-to-apollo-432/) in 1969. Even a pocket calculator has more computing power than the computers used on the fake moon missions!
People are laughing at you TK! ROFLMAO
Gravock
Below is an illustration showing us the logic of the baal (ball) worshipers.
Gravock
The heliocentric globe model (baal / ball worship / image of the beast) has more 6's than you can shake a stick at!
Radius of the sun: 6 x 6 x 6 x 2000
Distance of the sun: 6 x 6 x 6 x radius
Radius of the moon: 6 x 6 x 6 x 5
Distance of the moon: 6 x 6 x 6 x radius
Now the Earth;
Radius of the earth: 6 x 660
Axis tilt of the earth: 23.4 degrees, this is the opposite degree of 66,6 degree. (90-66.6 =23.4)
Speed around the sun: 66,600 mph
Globe curvature in the first mile squared: 0.666 feet, 10 miles is 66.6 feet, 100 miles is 6,666 feet.
Gravitational constant: 6.66E-11
(more 6's can be found in the images below)
References:
666 and the Ball Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DgfCM1b804)
Nimrod, the Tower (it WAS about height), the Beast, Antarctica and Flat Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjDGX8YFoKY)
Gravock
Baal/Ball worshipers = Tekel = "You have been weighed on the scales and found deficient"!
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 21, 2017, 10:59:39 PM
AstroNOT, Don Pettit, in January 2017 says in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOG3UTOsEtc), "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond, but the problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again" (see images below).
Pettit claims nasa destroyed the rocket technology that got them to the moon! ROFLMAO
Our smartphones are millions of times more powerful than all of NASA's combined computing (http://www.zmescience.com/research/technology/smartphone-power-compared-to-apollo-432/) in 1969. Even a pocket calculator has more computing power than the computers used on the fake moon missions!
People are laughing at you TK! ROFLMAO
Gravock
No, people are laughing at YOU. Have you checked your "poll" numbers lately?
A few seconds googling and calculating shows that your "666" fantasies are fabrications, which do not consider the _actual_ precise values of the factors you cite and which depend on arbitrary (or rather, self-serving) approximations.
But there is nothing to say to you since you are pushing your _religion_ of the Flat Earth here. You will never accept any real scientific evidence because you simply say "It's fake".
Leave me out of your fantasies. If you actually believe the tripe you are posting, you must be dangerously insane.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
A few seconds googling and calculating shows that your "666" fantasies are fabrications, which do not consider the _actual_ precise values of the factors you cite and which depend on arbitrary (or rather, self-serving) approximations.
My 666 fantasies are fabrications based on arbitrary self-serving approximations? This is another false assertion and psychological projection by you! The values cited comes straight from your false science and not from me, so how is this self-serving? You're false science has chosen to use these fake arbitrary approximations to worship it's own fabricated false religion "666" fantasy, and not me. First image below showing the 23.4
o (66.6) comes from timeanddate.com (https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/axial-tilt-obliquity.html) and not from me! Second image below is straight from google's featured snippet on the earth's mean orbital speed (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&hs=E94&q=mean+velocity+of+earth&oq=mean+velocity+of+earth&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i22i30k1l4.7808.21839.0.24046.31.27.0.0.0.0.192.2406.19j6.25.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..8.23.2257.6..0j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i131k1j35i39k1j0i131i67k1.-K37V7z91a4) of 18.5 mi/s, which is 66600 mph as shown in the third image.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
No, people are laughing at YOU. Have you checked your "poll" numbers lately?
Yes, and the votes for the flat earth are increasing as the topic is being discussed. This is the only number I care about. It's been proven multiple times in this thread that you ball worshipers are not honest people, so it wouldn't be surprising if the poll is being manipulated by you ballers. Every time I dethroned a king in a post, the poll would change, lol. That's why I stopped dethroning kings in my posts. I highly suspect tagor is the one behind this. There may be others, such as yourself, since you are trying to use the poll as a consensus to prop up your fabricated fake ball worship, which lacks any empirical evidence.
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
But there is nothing to say to you since you are pushing your _religion_ of the Flat Earth here. You will never accept any real scientific evidence because you simply say "It's fake".
Leave me out of your fantasies. If you actually believe the tripe you are posting, you must be dangerously insane.
And you're not pushing your religion of a fake ball based on a fake science? ROFLMA0! Your false science is a religion in and of itself, it's called scientism. There are no atheists in hell! How convenient of you to use the term religion in this thread. What could be the motive for that? Trying to get the thread locked or deleted? Of course, because you can't defend your fabricated fake ball with empirical evidence.
Gravock
An autonom answer ,
expressed in "´fool`google-automatic" kind and art :
F.A.Z.,liberal orientation bon mot(to)
a cloule head (lays-lazy) behind this newspaper
: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fwissen%2Fweltraum%2F40-jahre-voyager-mit-goldenen-cds-zu-fernen-welten-15158063.html&edit-text=
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
If you actually believe the tripe you are posting, you must be dangerously insane.
Says the one who is upside down in his thinking...
Gravock
"In the event that the space probes should encounter intelligent
extraterrestrials on their long journey,"
Quantum leap
"are now so obsolete"
Nothing is ever obsolete,only adjusted
"Leave me out of your fantasies. If you actually believe
the tripe you are posting, you must be dangerously
insane."
A song for the flatearthers: crazy- seal
Quote from: profitis on August 22, 2017, 06:51:21 AM
"Leave me out of your fantasies. If you actually believe
the tripe you are posting, you must be dangerously
insane."
A song for the flatearthers: crazy- seal
Seal - Crazy (Official Music Video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fc67yQsPqQ)
Gravock
I added a fourth option to the poll: Concave Earth <---- They should have a voice also
Gravock
Another one for gravocksizers: its no secret-kylie https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I55zkpTDg_g
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 01:55:38 AM
Leave me out of your fantasies.
It is you who originally jumped into this thread with your fake imaginary ball fantasies. I never asked you to participate in this discussion to begin with, nor did I ever refer to you in any way prior to your first posting in this thread! Now you expect me to leave you out of this discussion after your deceptive bait-and-switch fallacy, false assertions, psychological projections, misdirections, red herrings, etc. What a way to be! ROFLMAO
You are truly indoctrinated beyond belief and can only regurgitate what you've been told by the authorities. You're nothing more than a soulless programmed being, as SkyWatcher would say. Now, be a good little slave and go find somewhere else to mentally masturbate over your fake imaginary ball. This thread is not for you, because you can't handle the TRUTH!
Gravock
Has the planet Tellus/Terra a common inner frequency ?
https://www.google.pt/search?q=hohlwelt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=FMqcWa-PMqKp8wf29puoAg
Raum-Zeit-Dreiklang-Dimension
Quote from: gravityblock on August 22, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
It is you who originally jumped into this thread with your fake imaginary ball fantasies. I never asked you to participate in this discussion to begin with, nor did I ever refer to you in any way prior to your first posting in this thread! Now you expect me to leave you out of this discussion after your deceptive bait-and-switch fallacy, false assertions, psychological projections, misdirections, red herrings, etc. What a way to be! ROFLMAO
You are truly indoctrinated beyond belief and can only regurgitate what you've been told by the authorities. You're nothing more than a soulless programmed being, as SkyWatcher would say. Now, be a good little slave and go find somewhere else to mentally masturbate over your fake imaginary ball. This thread is not for you, because you can't handle the TRUTH!
Gravock
You are truly sick. I feel sorry for you. You are some poor indoctrinated religious fanatic, second only to that_prophet in your delusions. Not only do you deny proven facts but also you are impervious to education and you cannot even do your own experiments to find out for yourself. You continually cite false claims and debunked assertions in your attempts to defend your indefensible religious attitude. Not only that, but you are personally disgusting in your insults. You should be taken over a knee and given a good spanking, for your potty-mouth childish insults. Are you in the sixth grade? Or did you even make it past elementary school at all?
You are impossible to reason with. You cannot even do your own simple math to see that your absurd claims are what they are: absurd. No, I do not depend on "indoctrination" because I can prove for myself that the Earth and the other planets are rough spheres of a certain size... as did even the ancient Greeks did long ago. All you have is what you project onto me: indoctrination, stuff other people have told you and for which you have fallen, like the suckers who believe in mermaids and alien corpses appearing in some twenty-five-cent carnival sideshow. Like I said, I feel sorry for you, because your ridiculous obsession is keeping you from living your life in honor and peace. And I scorn you, because you are trying to pollute the minds of others with your religious nonsense. And I mock you, because you are silly, and have exactly zero real proof of your nutty claims.
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
You are truly sick. I feel sorry for you. You are some poor indoctrinated religious fanatic, second only to that_prophet in your delusions. Not only do you deny proven facts but also you are impervious to education and you cannot even do your own experiments to find out for yourself. You continually cite false claims and debunked assertions in your attempts to defend your indefensible religious attitude. Not only that, but you are personally disgusting in your insults. You should be taken over a knee and given a good spanking, for your potty-mouth childish insults. Are you in the sixth grade? Or did you even make it past elementary school at all?
You are impossible to reason with. You cannot even do your own simple math to see that your absurd claims are what they are: absurd. No, I do not depend on "indoctrination" because I can prove for myself that the Earth and the other planets are rough spheres of a certain size... as did even the ancient Greeks did long ago. All you have is what you project onto me: indoctrination, stuff other people have told you and for which you have fallen, like the suckers who believe in mermaids and alien corpses appearing in some twenty-five-cent carnival sideshow. Like I said, I feel sorry for you, because your ridiculous obsession is keeping you from living your life in honor and peace. And I scorn you, because you are trying to pollute the minds of others with your religious nonsense. And I mock you, because you are silly, and have exactly zero real proof of your nutty claims.
TK,
Your entire post has no substance to it whatsoever! It's only you getting your panties all in a knot because you have no real argument or empirical data to support the heliocentric model that was spoon-fed to you. Little do you know, I am not religious as you falsely claim. Religion as it's perceived in it's current form is part of the problem. However, it is now changing to be more inline with the TRUTH. So, please stop trying to make this a religious issue. I only used what was found in the ancient manuscripts as recorded in history to correlate it to the fake heliocentric model. Then you go off on a religious rant. I never said your photos were fake. However, the distances of those objects in the photos were brought into question. Same thing with the lunar lander and buggy. Your bait-and-switch fallacy was never claimed to be fake by myself. I only pointed out your intentional deception of the bait-and-switch along with a few other inconsistencies and contradictions. It's the same pattern from you. You are so predictable, it's not even funny. Then you announce you're leaving the discussion because I say everything is fake, which is the farthest thing from the truth as I have already shown.
Is this the best you can do?
Gravock
If I can chime then leave.
Flat Earthers had not looked at gravity. Gravity is impossible on a Flat Earth.
By the same token Globers have never shown one picture of Earth. That is inexcusable if Earth is a globe to not have a billion pictures of our great and only home. So there is no excuse and we all have to agree to that.
On the other side, plane travel does not concord with a globe, long distance visibility does not, artillery does not.
So both sides are wrong, or both sides are right by the following I made to save words.
Good luck.
wattsup
Does yours disputation making yourselves satisfy,TinselKoala and gravitybloc ?
One over 13000 and the other more than 3000 thread inputs:
proven intelligence
proven patience
proven pros and cons compare
Cybernetic,Teleology: Theology and science together ,without physical and psychological frontier
All in One
TinselKoala : do you know or do you believe ? do you know to believe ?
gravitybloc : do you know or do you believe ? do you know to believe ?
where does your "common sense" leave the same way ?
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: wattsup on August 23, 2017, 12:34:15 AM
If I can chime then leave.
Flat Earthers had not looked at gravity. Gravity is impossible on a Flat Earth.
By the same token Globers have never shown one picture of Earth. That is inexcusable if Earth is a globe to not have a billion pictures of our great and only home. So there is no excuse and we all have to agree to that.
On the other side, plane travel does not concord with a globe, long distance visibility does not, artillery does not.
So both sides are wrong, or both sides are right by the following I made to save words.
Good luck.
wattsup
Thanks for sharing. Original thinking based along empirical evidence, I like it.
I must say, do we really know what is beyond the dome? More ice, water, and land? Water above the dome? I would say the evidence leads to a yes! However, the earth with the dome is stationary, non-rotating, and flat from edge to edge based on empirical evidence. I won't comment on the text found in wattsup's illustration. Other than that, good post...
Gravock
Untold Secret!!! What is Beyond The Pole-The earth is Flat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUED7-RjUOg).
Gravock
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 22, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
No, I do not depend on "indoctrination" because I can prove for myself that the Earth and the other planets are rough spheres of a certain size... as did even the ancient Greeks did long ago.
If you can only prove it to YOURSELF, then please keep it to yourself! There are no isolated globular bodies in the universe as you have falsely asserted (see reference link and image below)! All I see from you are false assertions with nothing to back up your false claims.
Worlds Beyond The Poles: Physical Continuity Of The Universe, by F. Amadeo GianniniChapter One Audio Book - Extrasensory Perception: A one-minute express to the universe about us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQlWYFqaJE).
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 23, 2017, 09:39:57 PM
If you can only prove it to YOURSELF, then please keep it to yourself! There are no isolated globular bodies in the universe as you have falsely asserted (see reference links below)! All I see from you are false assertions with nothing to back up your false claims.
Worlds Beyond The Poles: Physical Continuity Of The Universe, by F. Amadeo Giannini
Chapter One Audio Book - Extrasensory Perception: A one-minute express to the universe about us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQlWYFqaJE).
Gravock
The model presented to us by Wattsup is in contradiction to the empirical evidence that there are no isolated globular bodies in the universe. Gravity isn't necessary on a flat earth. Gravity is only necessary in order to make the fake heliocentric model work. The Wattsup's model is not completely correct, but it's a step in the right direction.
Gravock
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on August 08, 2017, 03:25:22 PM
Piccard saw what he was able to see - nothing more, nothing less, all of which came to him through the curved lenses of his own eyes.
Well said! The globular and isolated bodies are illusory and are produced from the curvature that is developed by all lenses!
Gravock
At a close distance all three mirrors reflect their true shapes and sizes (first image). As the focal length is extended, the reflections of all three mirrors of different shapes and sizes appear to be the same size and globular/round in nature (second image). TK is clearly delusional to think he is seeing rough spheres of a certain size through his telescope!
Reference: DIY Safe Sun Imaging Explained Telescope (https://youtu.be/u0aClpzytt8?t=45)
As a side note: Schlieren photography (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmS6h_fkPgk) is totally awesome and could be beneficial to see what is happening in some of your experiments!
Gravock
The Gravity Delusion (https://youtu.be/VsOmzcy9sEQ?t=645)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
Flat Earth - Let There Be Light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZhj9BbIXc&feature=youtu.be) (video)
Gravock
The Light of Day And The Flat Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQsrZ51rsA&t=0s)
Gravock
Flat Earth and The Ball Faker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lObJLyBOVXQ)
Gravock
The Flat Earth And The Sexagesimal Delusion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzo7gh66UOE) <------ This video is for TinselKoala and the other ball/baal worshipers.
As we can clearly see, TK and his minions are pushing their false religion on this forum under the guise of science.
Gravock
www.coloradd.net
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloradd
http://www.astroshop.de/fernglas-optus-10x25/p,45901
screw up one/the two look-in parts and see what
U find :
Ioann Wolfgang v. Goethe
https://www.google.pt/search?q=goethe+prisma&oq=goethe+prisma&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i22i30k1l3.7640.18002.0.23036.23.18.0.0.0.0.335.2401.0j13j0j1.14.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.13.2056...0j0i67k1.hBGehRt7mEc
Prismenglas
unvisible(for whom ?) radiation to visible spectrum
Punkt
Strahl
Strecke
Koerper
Volumen
Sphere
"(Frequenz-)EAther"
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
bla bla bla .... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzo7gh66UOE)
Gravock
Cognitive_closure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_closure_(philosophy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_closure_(philosophy))
https://books.google.fr/books?id=7e0atc5VL2YC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=cognitive+closure+and+flat+earth&source=bl&ots=ALwc1fxwlS&sig=ajm3QbPcAAySUpnST9g03fqoBAg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYh7yE5vTVAhXCalAKHdv7DawQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=cognitive%20closure%20and%20flat%20earth&f=false (https://books.google.fr/books?id=7e0atc5VL2YC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=cognitive+closure+and+flat+earth&source=bl&ots=ALwc1fxwlS&sig=ajm3QbPcAAySUpnST9g03fqoBAg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYh7yE5vTVAhXCalAKHdv7DawQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=cognitive%20closure%20and%20flat%20earth&f=false)
http://mediusinternational.com/main/index.php/2017/02/25/the-impenetrable-mystery-of-closed-circuit-thinking/ (http://mediusinternational.com/main/index.php/2017/02/25/the-impenetrable-mystery-of-closed-circuit-thinking/)
Quote
If you're in a discussion involving Closed-Circuit Thinking, you're better off changing the subject rather than engaging further. Any attempt to change another's belief, even with overwhelming empirical evidence, is only likely to strengthen it. It's a waste of time and counterproductive. When dealing with a colleague or subordinate, it's more effective to modify the work context or their responsibilities, than to try to change their behaviour through discussion, performance appraisal, counselling, etc. These are likely to be perceived as adversarial and further proof that their belief must be true (see Rule #3 at the beginning of this article).
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It's tempting to believe that people using Closed-Circuit Thinking may not be too bright. This would be a mistake. Research going as far back as the early 1960's consistently shows that there isn't any correlation between intelligence and Closed-Circuit Thinking [4] (http://mediusinternational.com/main/index.php/2017/02/25/the-impenetrable-mystery-of-closed-circuit-thinking/#_ftn4). Some very smart and successful people hold very illogical and indefensible beliefs. There is still after all, a Flat Earth Society[5] (http://mediusinternational.com/main/index.php/2017/02/25/the-impenetrable-mystery-of-closed-circuit-thinking/#_ftn5) of some 500 members in the West, which supports its views with "scientific" evidence.
Closed-Circuit Thinking is a result of the interplay between perceived personal vulnerability and how individuals understand and accept truth.
https://schoolofthinking.org/2011/10/cognitive-dissonance-from-flat-earth-to-round-earth/ (https://schoolofthinking.org/2011/10/cognitive-dissonance-from-flat-earth-to-round-earth/)
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Cognitive Dissonance: From Flat Earth to Round Earth (https://schoolofthinking.org/2011/10/cognitive-dissonance-from-flat-earth-to-round-earth/) Posted on October 20, 2011 by Michael In cognitive science, the term cognitive dissonance is often used. Cognitive dissonance is interesting because it refers to what happens in your brain when information is presented to it which doesn't seem to fit.
For example, just suppose the current state of information in your brain (the balance of memes) was such that you believed the earth was flat. Just suppose your brain was a happy co-operative of flat earth memes filling your brain and dominating your outlook.
This, of course, seems naive to us now but not long ago most smart people saw things this way. Now, suppose someone called Fred comes along and says, "No, the earth is round!" and tries to explain to you why you should change your view. You would begin to experience cognitive dissonance.
If, though you thought the earth was flat, you were not superstitiously committed to that view you might only experience a mild case of cognitive dissonance. Then, as you followed the evidence Fred presented, you might find your view evolving from flat earth to round earth.
If, on the other hand, you not only believed the earth was flat but you also PTV-believed your flat earth view was absolutely right, then you might have a dose of strong cognitive dissonance, so strong that it might be easier to burn Fred at the stake than to change your view from flat earth to round earth.
"no/all dimensional . all/no dimensional"
e.-pi.-log.
center sphere
sphere center
"point"
XYZ
O
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christusmonogramm (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christusmonogramm)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras)
seeing and seeding for dreams 2-dimensional and feeling 3/4/...... dimensional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPolnuRilDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPolnuRilDY)
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/dlattach/attach/165038/image//
Labyrint: pilgrim finish ,a great Ullysses,with Homer and Humor
Quote from: lancaIV on August 26, 2017, 08:09:51 AM
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christusmonogramm (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christusmonogramm)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras)
seeing and seeding for dreams 2-dimensional and feeling 3/4/...... dimensional
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPolnuRilDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPolnuRilDY)
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/dlattach/attach/165038/image// (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/dlattach/attach/165038/image//)
Labyrint: pilgrim finish ,a great Ullysses,with Homer and Humor
Flat Earth And The Pythagorean Endorsement (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYNlAVMhDjk)
You can live the dream or you can open your eyes and live reality!
If you decide to continue to live the dream, then you're going to find yourself in
an eternal nightmare when you have been awakened by the one you have been crucifying...
Gravock
Ball Earth MAGIC - The EARTH is FLAT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HStg7rk8UNU)
"'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!'
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
bla bla bla .... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HStg7rk8UNU)
Gravock
Flat Earth Theory Is A Mental Disease http://www.thecognitiveman.com/bizarre/flat-earth-theory-mental-disease/
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I don't believe the earth is flat. Everything I experience in this world tells me that it's plausible the earth goes around the sun. It would not be my first conclusion looking at it; but when I hear the explanations for it, it is possible. Can I prove the earth goes around the sun? I believe it is provable by careful observation of the position of the sun, moon and stars. Can you prove the sun goes around the earth? I don't think you can offer any proof of that in any meaningful way that would hold up under serious investigation.
But I DO see that the sun goes overhead during the day. It doesn't circle around the face of a flat earth disc. This is where the flat-earthers TOTALLY lose credibility. They offer all KINDS of silly explanations as to how the sun circles overhead (rather than over and under) but every one of their explanations falls down. I've been on cruise ships, watched the sun rise and the sun set. It is a ball. It is the same size before it drops below the horizon line as it is on the way down. When the cloud cover is heavy during the day but enough to let the sun shine through (barely) the sun is the same size in the sky at midday as it is at sunrise and sunset.
Every you-tube video that I've been advised to watch seems to start with a premise about what the spherical earth model teaches that is not what the spherical-earth model teaches; and then, they develop all kinds of ridiculous theories about why these models are wrong. But they haven't got a clue what the spherical model really is. They attack straw men. And they lead many others into their confusion and resulting paranoia.
Good morning ! (9 o´clock PT time)
http://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/topic/normal_poll.gif (http://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/topic/normal_poll.gif)
The Planet Tellus,Tella /Terrus.Terra ,EARTH
german: Teller engl. Plate
english : plan german platt
in spanish speaking countries you will find
the explanation : mesa/meseta (Tisch,Tafel,Table)
in German Tafel( -Berge/mountains
f.e. Cape town/RSA)
"Tafel" in school rooms on the wall,where we pupils
showed them,the teacher(s) and our class, our in-/im-
possibility/ies to give in public manner the right answer !
We shall difference our dis-ease-s and begin to think ease-ier !
Is our in-/different subjectiv view about objects as seen as
lingual(language) translational misunderstanding,
or it is a physics mulidimensional discussion for a geral
-the federal consense/consentiment satisfying- answer ?!
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: tagor,based by your image donation
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/dlattach/attach/165039/image// (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/dlattach/attach/165039/image//)
next "POLL" question: Is/Was the Earth a cube ? ;)
"Deutsch" as language is an international Indo-German compilation -amalgam- to virtualize or to concretizise
meanings or ideals/Gedanken to Dingen/Things/Thinks
and the perfekt METHOD to realize this is to "become the
SUPERSTITION STAGE" by
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmus (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmus)
(but not to forget that this STAGE is only inside us and the
material world is waiting for our daily (at)tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJKFT0VUyf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJKFT0VUyf4)
tagor,ap-prendre vous ou vous voulez soir "forever" in Brian-
Superstition stage :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8UWmXCMAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8UWmXCMAg)
Bye-Bye :) )
pardon-moi por de-daults,mais les buttons du mon "tableau/tablett/keyboard e trés sensitive é je suis ecrire avec
"thick fingers" sans fingera/fintings mais sobre "findings"
avec base de procuracion sensual.
En peu ESPERANTO,en peu ALDI é finalement en peu
"angewandtes KIPU-Quetschua",neuronal sense to body language.
mama cocha
"popul voh" and Manit(o)u"popul vé(view)"
http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-1178401-360_poster_16x9-hedf-1178401.jpg
"verto/drehe/turn this image 90° cw( not ccw) and think
about the TOTEM(-Pfahl) culture and the Medizin-pocket"
Quote from: tagor on August 26, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
bla bla bla...
Quote from: tagor on August 27, 2017, 02:19:59 AM
Flat Earth Theory Is A Mental Disease http://www.thecognitiveman.com/bizarre/flat-earth-theory-mental-disease/ (http://www.thecognitiveman.com/bizarre/flat-earth-theory-mental-disease/)
tagor,
Yoour post has no substance to it whatsover, just like TK. Next time you misquote
me with "bla bla bla"..., or other similar garbage, I'm going to report you to the moderator.
You have done this way too many times. and I will report every one of them. Also, you're
spamming and trolling this thread with no meaningful content and no empirical data or
evidence whatsoever, other than your own psychological projections.
In addition to this, you have on numerous occasions intentionally ran the text off
the screen with huge pictures and with long links that are not within any html tags
in order to hide most of the texts in the postings. I will also report this kind of activity
to the moderator the next time this happens. Like TK, you have also intentionally
done a bait-and-switch (monkey see, monkey do), along with stating incorrect values
for the length and width of Argentina. As far a I am concerned, you have 0 credibility left on this forum.
If you want to poke at me, at least post some meaningful content with empirical data in order to
support your reason for poking fun at me. There is nothing wrong with a little heated debate, but
there is everything wrong when you personally attract me without attacking the evidence or content first.
Gravock
For the flats from the globalists:m-people, moving on up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHOVJINRD8
Gravok, Thanks for posting what you have put up for all to consider, and for putting up with those who have eyes but choose not to see. The videos are excellent and much of what is in them is irrefutable. Of course anyone can deny anything and many do willfully deny REALITY and TRUTH with the FREE WILL they were created with. (Which they might also deny.)
You can buy em books and buy em books; but all most will ever do is eat the covers.
Something comes to mind about "casting Pearls".
"When all the stars are falling down
Into the sea and on the ground,
And angry voices carry on the wind,
A beam of light will fill your head
And you'll remember what's been said
By all the good men this world's ever known.
Another man is what you'll see,
Who looks like you and looks like me,
And yet somehow he will not feel the same,
His life caught up in misery, he doesn't think like you and me,
'Cause he can't see what you and I can see."
http://www.bing.com/search?q=melancholy+man+moody+blues+youtube&qs=SC&pq=meloncholy+man&sk=SC7&sc=8-14&cvid=C3BFCFDBE38A413689D01CA7C49DFF76&FORM=QBLH&sp=8&ghc=1
Everyone of "US" does learn TRUTH in the end of our time here in "the material world" which is an ILL-usion.
http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html
Quote from: gravityblock on August 27, 2017, 04:56:24 AM
"bla bla bla"....
Gravock
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But I DO see that the sun goes overhead during the day. It doesn't circle around the face of a flat earth disc. This is where the flat-earthers TOTALLY lose credibility. They offer all KINDS of silly explanations as to how the sun circles overhead (rather than over and under) but every one of their explanations falls down. I've been on cruise ships, watched the sun rise and the sun set. It is a ball. It is the same size before it drops below the horizon line as it is on the way down. When the cloud cover is heavy during the day but enough to let the sun shine through (barely) the sun is the same size in the sky at midday as it is at sunrise and sunset.
Every you-tube video that I've been advised to watch seems to start with a premise about what the spherical earth model teaches that is not what the spherical-earth model teaches; and then, they develop all kinds of ridiculous theories about why these models are wrong. But they haven't got a clue what the spherical model really is. They attack straw men. And they lead many others into their confusion and resulting paranoia.
Here's another good kick in the balls to the globe model: The double dropping away effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiHCXZS7AQQ).
Gravock
Quote from: tagor on August 27, 2017, 11:11:50 AM
But I DO see that the sun goes overhead during the day. It doesn't circle around the face
of a flat earth disc. This is where the flat-earthers TOTALLY lose credibility. They offer all
KINDS of silly explanations as to how the sun circles overhead (rather than over and under)
but every one of their explanations falls down. I've been on cruise ships, watched the sun
rise and the sun set. It is a ball. It is the same size before it drops below the horizon line
as it is on the way down. When the cloud cover is heavy during the day but enough to let
the sun shine through (barely) the sun is the same size in the sky at midday as it is at
sunrise and sunset.
Every you-tube video that I've been advised to watch seems to start with a premise about
what the spherical earth model teaches that is not what the spherical-earth model teaches;
and then, they develop all kinds of ridiculous theories about why these models are wrong.
But they haven't got a clue what the spherical model really is. They attack straw men. And
they lead many others into their confusion and resulting paranoia.
The ball worshipers compare the suns movement away, which is on a HIGH PLANE and
moving PARALLEL to the ground, to a car or train moving away on the same plane as the
observer. There is a big difference and the two can not be compared as we will soon see.
The reason why the sun doesn't shrink, when observed from the ground, is because its height
in the air is about equal to the distance at which it starts to meet your visual horizon and vanish at.
Try putting in 3000 miles for height in a horizon calculator and you'll see what this means.
This video, WHY THE SUN DOESN'T SHRINK TO A DOT on the FLAT EARTH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq5ixQytLXE), demonstrates it
perfectly. See image below for a quick reference.
Gravock
(http://www.overunity.de/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif (http://www.overunity.de/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif)) Re: Internationen-Sprach-Plattform (http://www.overunity.de/2231/internationen-sprach-plattform/msg46733/#msg46733) « Antwort #1 am: 28. August 2017, 22:59:19 Nachmittag » http://www.portugaltours.com.pt/br/blog-viagens/20114/guimaraes.aspx (http://www.portugaltours.com.pt/br/blog-viagens/20114/guimaraes.aspx)
Guimarães, o berço de Portugal !
o-berco-de-portugal !
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o-berco-de-portus calem ?
o berço de Portus gal-es ?
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o-berco-de- calem ?
o berço de gal-es ?
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http://eduardoamarantesantos.blogspot.pt/2012/09/tartessos-colonia-atlante-no-sul-de.html (http://eduardoamarantesantos.blogspot.pt/2012/09/tartessos-colonia-atlante-no-sul-de.html)
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaluzia (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaluzia)
berco berczo briga
Miro-briga Conim-briga Laco-briga
Do " Fim do Mundo"(Perafita) ao COMECZO do MUNDO,La-BRIGA :
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labruge (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labruge)
Castro Gales/Callaecii/Gallaecii/Caeltico/Celtico
unica fortaleza em Portugal,unica fortaleza na Pensinsula IBERICA : oriundo ao MAR
como FAROL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Hercules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Hercules)
(excepto "so" Farol :El Farol do/del Caudillo em La Corunha)
vé é lé se ali,ao lado do castro: "ums falha/faixa geo-tectonica qqual da uma differenca de 9m-5m=4m de differenca en aaltitude !
Ver a "montanha" do castro e ver esta "montanha constituido/construido por pedras de granito,cortadas/formadas" deixe preguntar:
o castro de Sampaio tinha funczao dum pharol/farol ?
Vé-se so ainda a base do farol ?
O historiador brasileiro Cândido Costa escreveu já em 1900: "Diodoro de Sicília (90-21 a.C.), 45 anos antes da Era Cristã, escreveu grande número de livros sobre os diversos povos do mundo; em seus escritos, designa claramente a América com o nome de ilha, porque ignorava sua extensão e configuração. Essa expressão de ilha é muitas vezes empregada por escritores da antigüidade para designarem um território qualquer
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povos_ib%C3%A9ricos_pr%C3%A9-romanos (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povos_ib%C3%A9ricos_pr%C3%A9-romanos)
Pensa-se que a Península Ibérica (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen%C3%ADnsula_Ib%C3%A9rica) era habitada inicialmente por povos autóctones, que vieram a ser conhecidos como iberos (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberos). Posteriormente, cerca de 1 000 a.C. ou antes, chegaram à região povos Indo-Europeus (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Europeus) de origem celta (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celta), que coexistiram com os iberos habitando regiões distintas. A ideia de que, na meseta central, esses povos celtas (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtas) se mesclaram-se com os povos iberos dando origem aos celtiberos (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberos) está cada vez mais distante da realidad
Os geógrafos gregos (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregos) deram o nome da Ibéria, provavelmente derivado do rio Ebro (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Ebro) (Iberus), a todas as tribos instaladas na costa sueste. Avieno (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avieno) no poema Ode Marítima (século IV) relata as aventuras de um navegador grego (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9cia_Antiga) nos finais do século VI a.C. que descreve a existência de várias etnias na costa meridional atlântica, que já praticavam a cultura megalítica (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_megal%C3%ADtica) e seriam, provavelmente, os responsáveis pelo comércio com o atlântico norte — os estrímnios (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estr%C3%ADmnios) e os cinetes (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinetes) (ou cónicos) (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3nios)
https://thoth3126.com.br/terra-de-ofir-o-rei-salomao-no-brasil/ (https://thoth3126.com.br/terra-de-ofir-o-rei-salomao-no-brasil/)
Segundo Cândido Costa, em sua obra de 1900: "Num escrito de Aristóteles (De Mirab. Auscult. Cap. 84) diz-se que foi o receio de ver os colonos sacudirem o jugo da metrópole cartaginesa e prejudicarem o comércio da mãe pátria que levou o senado de Cartago a decretar pena de morte contra quem tentasse navegar para esta ilha. Aristóteles descreve também uma região fértil, abundantemente regada e coberta de floresta, que fora descoberta pelos cartagineses além do Atlântico (p. 115)
A participação ampla dos fenícios no conhecimento das terras ocidentais explica a grande participação dos hebreus nas grandes navegações. Desde o tempo de Salomão, as casas de Hiram, deTiro, na Fenícia e do grande soberano hebreu se uniu de tal forma que a construção do Templo de Jerusalém foi feita por arquitetos e pedreiros fenícios, e as misteriosas viagens para descobrir ouro e madeiras para a construção do templo foram feitas conjunta
Este vasto conhecimento adquirido dos fenícios pelos hebreus (n.T.: que os Cavaleiros Templários viriäam a descobrir no começo do século XII quando escavaram o Monte do Templo durante dez anos ininterruptos) sobre a ciência da navegação e da construção naval dos fenícios não passou desapercebido por alguns soberanos europeus à época da diáspora, especialmente D. Manuel, de Portugal.
Em 1412 foi fundada a escola de Sagres, primeira academia portuguesa de navegação e construção naval.
+
Portugal,
nesta época, tonara-se
o último reduto dos judeus na Europa,
( Ersatz fuer das "Gelobte Land,namens MOAB",dort wo der
erste Friedenshort "Jeru Shalom" errichtet worden war)
with the JAZ-I-GO,mit der "ewigen Ruhe"
eternal R.I.P.
assim como e principalmente dos Cavaleiros Templários quando houve a sua extinção em 1.314.
( first Castro Marim,later Tomar)
A proteção concedida pelos soberanos portugueses aos judeus e principalmente aos Cavaleiros Templários, visava declaradamente atrair os largos conhecimentos deles e dos judeus nas matemáticas, na geografia e na astronomia, (o principal navegador do cavaleiro Templário da Ordem de Cristo Pedro Álvares Cabral era um judeu) para calcar os grandes desenvolvimentos levados a cabo nas pesquisas náuticas para lançar Portugal como potência marítima mundial. O conhecimento das terras do Brasil por Salomão e por Hiram (rei da Fenícia), ainda no século X a.C. conforme a explanação feita por Cândido Costa , é difícil de ser refutada
https://www.google.pt/search?client=firefox-b&biw=640&bih=894&q=13+himmelssoehne&oq=13+himmelssoehne&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1l2.23888.29149.0.30190.12.10.0.0.0.0.620.1650.0j6j1j5-1.8.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..4.1.171.8lOsRQ-3pFM (https://www.google.pt/search?client=firefox-b&biw=640&bih=894&q=13+himmelssoehne&oq=13+himmelssoehne&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1l2.23888.29149.0.30190.12.10.0.0.0.0.620.1650.0j6j1j5-1.8.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..4.1.171.8lOsRQ-3pFM)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim)
In diesen Schriften werden die Göttersöhne meist als Egregoroi (griech. ,,Wächter") bezeichnet. Der Inhalt lässt sich etwa wie folgt zusammenfassen:
Die Göttersöhne/Wächter steigen hinab in die Welt der Menschen.
Es sind 200 Wächter, ihre Anführer sind 20.
Shemichaza ist der Oberste.
Andere Anführer sind Baraq'el und Azazel (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asasel).
Angetan von der Schönheit der Menschenfrauen haben sie Gemeinschaft mit ihnen.
Sie lehren die Menschenkinder verbotene Dinge und Himmelsgeheimnisse.
Die aus der Gemeinschaft mit Menschenfrauen gezeugten Kinder sind die Riesen, die Nephilim.
Die Nephilim sind riesig, fressen alles, Vieh und Mensch, und sind eine Bedrückung der Erde.
Shemichaza hat zwei Söhne, Ohajah und Hawajah.
Ohajah und Hawajah träumen: Ein Traum: eine riesige Steintafel. Alles wird ausgelöscht, bis auf vier Zeilen. Die eine Version: Die Tafel versinkt im Wasser. Die andere Version: Ein Engel kommt und löscht die Zeilen der Tafel, bis auf vier Zeilen, Worte oder auch Namen.
Der andere Traum: ein paradiesischer Garten mit zahlreichen Bäumen. Ein Engel kommt und haut alle Bäume um, bis auf einen mit drei Zweigen.
Die Träumer können die Träume nicht deuten. Ein Bote wird ausgesandt zu Henoch, dem Schreiber. Der Bote ist Mahawaj, Sohn des Wächters Baraq'el. Der macht eine weite Reise, denn Henoch ist nicht mehr in der Welt.
Henoch deutet die Träume: Alle Nephilim werden vernichtet werden, die Wächter werden den Untergang ihrer Kinder sehen. Die vier übrig gebliebenen Worte bzw. der Baum mit den drei Zweigen steht für Noach (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noach) und seine drei Söhne.
Letzten Endes werden die Wächter gebunden bis zum Ende der Welt und ihre Nachkommen werden in der Sintflut vernichtet.
So wurde die "Leg-Ende" interpretiert
Ende
https://www.patentauction.com/ (https://www.patentauction.com/)
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13407 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13407)
this far-glas objectiv analog
http://www.optics-pro.com/binoculars-optus-10x25/p,45904
something linke the supplementing advice of www.coloradd.net (http://www.coloradd.net)
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on August 27, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html (http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html)
Excellent site and I added it to my bookmarks! I'll be studying the pages of Gen-E-Sys II (http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/inspiration.html) (Generated Energy Systems (http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/index.html)) in great detail...
Thank You,
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 29, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
bla bla bla ...
Gravock
LOL
https://www.facebook.com/ComplotsFaciles/videos/1111665325630811/
I havent read this thread; but have you talked anything about the geocentric model.
That wouldnt be as far fetched as that the earth is flat.
Here is another video to ponder....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w
"FLAT EARTH NEWS - NASA CAN'T HIDE THE TRUTH"
Lol.an attempt to hide anything is a give-away
Quote from: Here2njoy on August 31, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
Here is another video to ponder....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w)
Awesome!
Gravock
Irrational numbers are a logic error: Flat Earth Math (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIV1vrFtcL4)
Gravock
rational numbers are 1/2d point coordinates definition
irrational numbers are 4/5..d coordinate-system construction relationship parameters,defining a body
like period(ic) numbers,too
Periode: human biology fem. Menustration mask. Pollution
Quote from: Here2njoy on August 31, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
Here is another video to ponder....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w)
Reference: Time Crystals - Perpetual Motion Test Could Amend Theory of Time (http://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130425-perpetual-motion-test-could-amend-theory-of-time/) (snapshots below)
Mainstream physicists are trying to build a perpetual motion machine that doesn't consume or produce energy by using "time crystals"!Wilczek's equations indicate atoms can indeed form a regularly repeating lattice in time, returning to their initial arrangement only after discrete (rather than continuous) intervals, thereby breaking the symmetry of time.
Without consuming or producing energy, time crystals would be stable, in what physicists call their "ground state," despite cyclical variations in structure
that scientists say can be interpreted as perpetual motion. Frank Wilczek is also a professor at MIT.
This appears to be similar in how our sun may be working on the flat earth! Gravock
Quote from: lancaIV on August 31, 2017, 06:41:54 PM
rational numbers are 1/2d point coordinates definition
irrational numbers are 4/5..d coordinate-system construction relationship parameters,defining a body
like period(ic) numbers,too
Periode: human biology fem. Menustration mask. Pollution
This may be helpful, thanks!
Gravock
Oh, come on the world can't be flat at least not with cats on the planets surface it! Everyone knows nothing would be left on the planet as cats are renowned for pushing any object over the edge! ;)
Quote from: AlienGrey on August 31, 2017, 08:25:38 PM
Oh, come on the world can't be flat at least not with cats on the planets surface it! Everyone knows nothing would be left on the planet as cats are renowned for pushing any object over the edge! ;)
Yes, and cats like to chase, slap, and kick balls around also. Sometimes they even poop balls of feces, lol. AlienGrey has presented us with one of the best arguments of a globe model yet.
Gravock
Quote from: antimony on August 31, 2017, 09:09:34 AM
I havent read this thread; but have you talked anything about the geocentric model.
That wouldnt be as far fetched as that the earth is flat.
Yes, the flat earth is based around the geocentric model. The heliocentric globe model has taken a fatal blow to the head in this thread.
Gravock
"Mainstream physicists are trying to build perpetual
motion machines"
Lol they're doing a damn good job of it
"Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the
most powerful ever!"
Well I'l be damned
sailers see nothing but water
near perfect sphere is the shape of earth
"sailers see nothing but water"
Until they jump
"near perfect sphere is the shape of earth"
I'm begin to believe it is faaaaaaaaar from perfect sfear
"near perfect sphere is the shape of earth"
Could-Be a V
an answear ?
Quote from: tagor on October 04, 2017, 02:53:36 AM
an answear ?
Well, a flat earth looks hip in those pants! ;D
Social media giants face €50m fines under new German law
http://www.zdnet.com/article/social-media-giants-face-50m-fines-under-new-german-law/ (http://www.zdnet.com/article/social-media-giants-face-50m-fines-under-new-german-law/)
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New law requires hate speech to be taken down in 24 hours or networks will face huge fines.
Germany's parliament has passed a law forcing social networks to delete hate-speech postings and misinformation within 24 hours. The decision came on Friday, just ahead of the Bundestag's summer recess.
Digital rights activists and tech giants had furiously opposed the "Enforcement on Social Networks" (NetzDG) law, claiming it amounted to a clampdown on free expression as platforms such as Facebook had too much incentive to take down posts without properly considering their context.
If the platforms don't remove objectionable material within a day, or within a week in particularly complex cases, they now face fines of up to €50 million.
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Un délai de 24 heures pour supprimer les Fake News
Le gouvernement d'Angela Merkel a décidé de mettre l'accent sur la rapidité et la coercition : un projet de loi qui sera présenté au Parlement propose en effet de ne donner que 24 heures aux sites Internet pour réagir à la suite d'un signalement de Fake News. Les sites devront soit supprimer soit bloquer l'information, le post ou le partage, faute de quoi ils seront reconnus coupables de ne pas avoir obtempéré.
Un tel délai devrait permettre d'endiguer le phénomène puisque ces Fake News n'auraient pas le temps de trop se propager et que le blocage en réduirait la portée. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube et les autres réseaux sociaux et de partage d'informations sont bien évidemment dans le collimateur du gouvernement Merkel. Facebook, par exemple, avait annoncé qu'il signalerait les Fake News sur son réseau social mais qu'il n'en interdirait pas le partage si elles ne contrevenaient pas à la loi.
for all happy new year
for flatearthers be quiet
Mythology has been an integral part of human culture since the dawn of time.
It is a necessary aspect of our society.
While we may not agree to believe in the mythologies of a particular culture,
We can not deny them the opportunity to believe.
To take these myths away will inevitably lead to social decay.
This is what the earth looks like from space --->>>http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/GOCE/Earth_s_gravity_revealed_in_unprecedented_detail
The problem here is NASA just CANT HANDLE THE FACT WE LIVE ON AN 'UGLY' POTATO ;D ;D
HAVEN'T I HERD THAT COMMENT A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST, i CANT THINK WHERE. :D :D :D :D
Alien
Done it look like the back of some ones head ? creepy!
Why we never went to the moon, this will explained why!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI