This thread will substantiate the progress of the amplifier and coil build. LOTRs curent status is holding up forward momentum which equates a lack of growth. Great history. Maybe this can be folded back into there. I need to post to grow. Must be the artist in me.
I post a diagram on history of some events we have all seen. They entail heterodyning and the outcomes. Enjoy.
There are 2 pathways. Edison and Tesla.
I pulled another power supply and a single channel 3w amp from my dark inventory.
In the pix I show 3 signal paths.
A1 = the xr2206 to the Bose. This output is sweet.
A2 = the ad826 board attached. The xr2006 gets nasty.
A3 = the http://www.kitsrus.com (http://www.kitsrus.com) kit47 signal gets nasty also.
A4 = I move the kit47 into the picture and the signal gets sweet. HuH?
A5 = I search for small noise on xr2206.
A6 = I see it now I need to find it.
2 problems exists here. Noise, could be ground loop or floating ground somewhere. I moved the kit47 and the really bad signal went away. Too many jumpers!.
So this is my course this weekend.
Ehm...audio? What are you doing with audio? I don't understand. :-[
Quote from: jack81 on September 22, 2007, 01:05:03 PM
Ehm...audio? What are you doing with audio? I don't understand. :-[
I am setting up a platform for audio heterodyning. Then replace the speaker with the TPU. Look a the previous diagram. It shows all the necessary steps to experience the mixing of the 3 freqs to produce the rogue wave.
The heterodyning happens in the circuit, then we move it into space with a magnetic transmission media and give it dimension.
Safety first, results later.
--giantkiller. Telsa said sine waves.
ps:
LETTER & POEM FROM DONALD P. WALTON From: NEN, Vol. 4, No. 2, June 1996, pp. 19?20.
New Energy News (NEN) copyright 1996 by Fusion Information Center, Inc.
The quatrain previously submitted was inspired by the description of an experiment undertaken by a good
friend formerly residing in Hawaii. He is an excellent engineer and also has many of the gifts associated
with Edgar Cayce. So when he told me that this project arose from intuition, and had been undertaken
successfully, I was cautiously optimistic. I am sure he would feel that information freely given is meant to be shared internationally.
From the quatrain many references are quoted which were studied by myself, e.g. Worrell?Keeley, Tom
Beardon, Bhuddist and Hindu philosophy, plus many fringe science papers including publications on how the pyramids were really built and references to levitation by Bhuddist monks of Tibet. The NASA technical briefs on levitation were also investigated. If you assemble all the pieces of a jig?saw, then the whole picture is presented.
At this point a few extracts from his letter would seem appropriate:
"Each energy level has three unique frequencies, also due to the constructive and destructive interaction of the three frequencies produces a specific composite energy level." The levels may be designated 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. For our purposes the frequencies are not important (they vary from 1021 to 1024). What s important is the relationship these frequencies have to each other within their respective energy levels.
By interfering the frequency relationship of the highest energy level such that the particular frequencies we choose generate earth resonances as one of its heterodynes, we can create a most powerful field that actively interferes with the earth's magnetic envelope.
The frequency ratios of that level are 1;4; and 5, or in musical terms: do, fa, so. By selecting as representative frequencies 48Hz; 64Hz; and 72Hz ? but moving the three down just a hairsbreadth so that the heterodyne of the two highest frequencies becomes
7.83 Hz, we achieve just that.
Since the quality of the actual energy level is that of Scalar Standing Waves, longitudinal in nature, using sound waves can simulate or mirror their interaction if the medium through which we convey them is ionic.
I set up a waveguide with three arms converging to a center, each on a 120 degrees leg. Each leg was cut from square cross?section PVC gutter pipe and measured to correspond to an exact fraction of the wavelength for one of the frequencies, that is 12, 9 and 8 inches or multiples thereof. Transducers capable of producing 120dB in the medium selected must be used and these are placed at the ends of the cavities. Measurement is done from the face of the transducer to the point of intersection."
Generating the required frequencies is relatively straightforward and we should start with a master oscillator with fine incremental tuning operating at 576Hz, this is coupled to three buffer amplifiers whose outputs are taken to: 1. A divide by 8 which = 72Hz 2. A divide by 9 which = 64Hz 3. A divide by 12 which = 48Hz. All three are then taken via a square to sine convertor and to the transducers via power amplifiers. Not being partial to noise, not least 3 x 120dB, I am considering the possibility of alternatives to the above. Do beware of "Pop" music groups standing in a circle, do not stand at the focal point or you might just become closer to heaven than you would wish.
**No claims are made by myself and the above is passed on purely as a gift. On the basis of my own investigation I would suggest there is a better than average chance of success.
Yours sincerely, Donald P. Walton
A Quatrain for Today's Boffins
(Can anyone rise to the challenge?)
In ancient times monks of Tibet
With music found that they could get
Rocks and stones to levitate
Against the laws of gravitation
In disbelief by western nations.
Around about 1895, a Keeley boffin did arrive, It's elementary, you must be fools,
It's all related to intervals.
Not only that, but he had a notion,
How to create perpetual motion.
Some years later the American nation
Saw in print this revelation.
The government were not impressed,
They declared it SECRET with great zest.
It is quite laughable to say
I was attempted by N.S., S.A.
From what they published there's no doubt They haven't much to shout about.
THESE MONKS KNEW A THING OR TWO.
Three frequencies must be played in bursts, All three below 100 Hertz,
And if you've got the signals right,
You will behold a wondrous sight.
REMEMBER THE INDIAN ROPE TRICK.
Although it has not yet been stated,
Schuman frequencies are related.
Combine this with what Keeley said,
See objects float above your head.
To get results don't throw the dice,
Geometry must be precise.
If you would rise above your station
Be sure to use the right equation.
Think carefully, don't be naive,
Standing waves you must achieve.
Tonight before you go to bed
Think on what Tom Beardon said.
If you would build a pyramid
Do what the Tibetans did.
I'm sure by now you all well see
A need for mental agility... May the FORCE be with you..
Donald P. Walton
(Apologies to Nostradamus)
GK whats the output of the mosfet amp like? Is it the one i showed the circuit for? Also did you test in to speakers first your best sound track will let you know how clean as well as injected sine waves im hoping the sound was fantastic with no noticable distortion and clean sound.
@Bolt,
I have noise coming from somewhere. I stripped all the modules apart and am mounting everything down mechanically. Then I will reconnect all back together. By your lead and some of my own thinking here is proven the functionality of the different modules. I have to clean things up a bit or the mess will become an inherent whole of the testing. Just have to anihilate that or do battle with that. We'll be just goofin around with stupidity forever.
When the ad826 worked it was nice.
I am off to the store to get parts.
-giantkiller. New thread, new start. More than one way to skin a server.
GK,
MP3 Time?
Acerzw 8)
G'day all,
Interesting set up Giantkiller, very reminiscent of Keely. This will work if you get the waveform and the relative amplitudes between the three amplifiers right.
If you have not already done so I recommend reading up on Keely. A good place to start is my website http://www.keelytech.com Plug -Plug :-)
But seriously, Keely says that there is unlimited energy available if the right combination of three audio flows can be achieved and the correct overtones created. The secret appears to lie in the fantastically high vibrations that can be generated by heterodyning the correct audio streams. Worth having a look at.
The purity and compatibility of the audio streams are of paramount importance, otherwise unwanted beat frequencies and nodal interferences crop up in the system.
Good luck
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: acerzw on September 22, 2007, 03:42:13 PM
GK,
MP3 Time?
Acerzw 8)
What? Blue bros, Joe Satriani, Jan Hammer?
--giantkiller.
GK thats good the setup must be clean first before moving forwards. Keep your leads very short use coax between boards. Wrap any long PSU cables through ferrite rings in case any RF is picked up. Once it sounds nice do bandwidth test and measure -3db points i been interested to know how far up this goes. Then calibrate each amp for precise amplitude then check again at 10 Hz 10k 100k
If you still get unstable condition later after taking basic steps yourself please do a video and show use the effect. Depending what im looking at i have ideas to cure it:)
Hey GK,
Dude if that TPU sound was on an album it would sell out, you can put me down for the first signed copy! I seriously want to try meditating to that sound, I think it is quite powerful and probably will find many other uses, apart from the levitation of stone blocks by monks ::)
Anyways I am getting fed up of the SM worship that some have been displaying (me included some time ago), having done some research on John Searle and the guy who ripped him off, who used to hang with SM, and may still do, I have developed a healthy dislike for SM. He has kept very bad company by all accounts for a long time. It seems likely that part of his success may be down to his collaboration with Collins who nicked Searles research. SM is pondlife in my mind now until proven otherwise. It is a shame, had he given his research to the world he would have been a hero, now he will be seen as an evil man.
When this is replicated he will come out of the woodwork and you can be sure he has all his moves planned out, he's had plenty of time, while he might appear to be a moral low-life, he probably has at least a dozen brain cells, and that might make him dangerous... but hey we got moves too...
Acerzw
Quote from: acerzw on September 22, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
Hey GK,
Dude if that TPU sound was on an album it would sell out, you can put me down for the first signed copy! I seriously want to try meditating to that sound, I think it is quite powerful and probably will find many other uses, apart from the levitation of stone blocks by monks ::)
Anyways I am getting fed up of the SM worship that some have been displaying (me included some time ago), having done some research on John Searle and the guy who ripped him off, who used to hang with SM, and may still do, I have developed a healthy dislike for SM. He has kept very bad company by all accounts for a long time. It seems likely that part of his success may be down to his collaboration with Collins who nicked Searles research. SM is pondlife in my mind now until proven otherwise. It is a shame, had he given his research to the world he would have been a hero, now he will be seen as an evil man.
When this is replicated he will come out of the woodwork and you can be sure he has all his moves planned out, he's had plenty of time, while he might appear to be a moral low-life, he probably has at least a dozen brain cells, and that might make him dangerous... but hey we got moves too...
Acerzw
Hey, be cool. If you knew him personally you'ld would sing a different song. At that level of money and technology you have got to watch your ass big time. I'll let the cat out of the bag here. I have brought multimillion dollar technology to the table. It doesn't matter what whizbang it is. You are marked as the victim. And if you don't play ellusive or asshole you lose. Can you or anybody identify the roles of the other people in the videos? Don't always blame the guy up front.
--giantkiller. Never assume anything. There is always somebody gunning for you.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 22, 2007, 03:46:38 PM
G'day all,
Interesting set up Giantkiller, very reminiscent of Keely. This will work if you get the waveform and the relative amplitudes between the three amplifiers right.
If you have not already done so I recommend reading up on Keely. A good place to start is my website http://www.keelytech.com Plug -Plug :-)
But seriously, Keely says that there is unlimited energy available if the right combination of three audio flows can be achieved and the correct overtones created. The secret appears to lie in the fantastically high vibrations that can be generated by heterodyning the correct audio streams. Worth having a look at.
The purity and compatibility of the audio streams are of paramount importance, otherwise unwanted beat frequencies and nodal interferences crop up in the system.
Good luck
Hans von Lieven
Count how many times God 'Says' or 'Calls'...
Obviously reality abides by frequency.Disrergard it if you want. But is the only documentation in mankind's hands that spells out what we are to accomplish here.
And that you cannot deny. A simple description of immense energy.
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
acerzw i wouldn't get so disheartened. IMO sm's tpu still represents the most logical solution to provide real power in small size. Only other thing i seen is Bedini stuff and particularly solid state as they both use magnetic waves in some way. The latter have many examples of charging batteries. Many of the reasons for so much time past with so little reward was lost to Otto tpu. The entire group on here followed him like lost sheep yet there was so much in my opinion that was flawed from the very start and this wasted an entire year. In fact i only just got around to reading most of that thread it resembled very little of a tpu.
I suspect there are many others who did not follow and realised it was a mistake and are doing their own research out of the public eye.
@GK
Isn't that just a rather long way of saying, shit happens... I can do
that trippy weirdness too, thanks to 20 years of study and prove my insanity at the same time ;):
The Short Path to the Ultimate Truth?
A Phenomenological Essay -
by Acerzw
(or who needs drugs to get head fucked when you are a real illusion in a timeless Meta-Infinity-Paradox? or
The Ultimate Long Form Zen Koan)
Core Premise:
Infinite Love is the Only Truth
Given that the above is true (which ultimately it surely must be, for what other choices are there?) Then it must conversely be true that everything, yes that's everything, else that appears to exist is an Illusion (though else implies separateness and that cannot be.)
Further Premise:
Given that the above is true it therefore follows, that Infinite Love must be Infinite Creativity (for what other choice remains?) Since Infinite Love is Infinite Creativity then it also follows that the Illusion is a direct expression of Infinite Love.
This leads to the realisation that:
?If Infinite Love (Unity Consciousness) thought of the possibility of Other, the concept of Other involved the notion of contrast between Infinite Love and Other, contrast embodies the notion of polarity, polarity leads to the idea of difference, difference leads to the possibility of separateness, separateness is Unknown to Infinite Love, the Unknown is Fear, Fear is the Other, hence as Infinite Love is Infinite Creativity, the idea of the Other manifested the Other.
The only way to understand anything is to face it, and so it was the Ultimate Illusion of Other-Separateness-Fear was created and then faced in order that it could be understood. Once understood, the Other would be recognised as part of Infinite Love. Infinite Love would then have evolved, and maybe the next manifestation would be different.
Alternatively maybe there would be no more manifestations, but it doesn't seem likely for was not the Other merely an infinity in a sea of infinite infinities. So our friend Kurt Godel would have us believe. Further the basis of physics is that all that exists is the difference between infinities, so says our friend Tom Bearden (in reference to the precursor to manifestation of quantum particles, in his work around dipoles). But of course all of this is part of Infinite Love and therefore Infinite Love-Creativity is the Infinite Dream Master and just is. Therefore all is Is.?
But surely even this explanation cannot capture the infinite, being as it is contained within it? Thus since the infinite is seen from within, is there a without? Only the whole can know, yet the whole implies end and infinity can have no end, so even this is contained within, so thus it can be said that this is an Illusion too, therefore must not the nature of Infinite Love be Infinite Illusion which must be boundless as infinity cannot be bound. Therefore there is only (which implies boundaries, which cannot be so) Infinite Illusion, for Infinite Illusion is all.
An Infinite Dream of the Infinite Dream Master, Ultimate Infinite Creativity, yet containing all, therefore in reality unchanging yet in constant flux:
The fun of the Ultimate Paradox, requires Ultimate Acceptance?
But is Ultimate Acceptance of Infinity by Infinity possible?
Now for the 'Total Infinite Head Fuck (c)':
Please note the above question by definition is part of Ultimate Infinity and therefore already known to it and already answered, which implies that infinity is indeed unchanging yet in constant flux, and therefore both exists and does not exist as you would expect of the infinite, as it must encompass all realities, including the fact that the above is not true! Its infinity, what more is there to say? Well an infinite amount actually, and the possibility of that not being so. So Ultimate Paradox implies Infinite Paradox, which by definition cannot be proven, or did I just prove it? Quod et Demonstrandum. Godel was indeed a genius, the recursive infinite nature of existence paradoxically proven in a nutshell?
Though of course the Infinite allows for the case that this not so. More proof? Possibly!... So what we have is a notional Meta-Infinity which encompasses all infinities and cannot be but is. Therefore we have a Meta-Infinity Paradox.
Oh and it may be prudent to ignore all time references in all of the above as our friend Mr Bearden has also postulated and formulated the notion that time is an illusion and everything exists at once (for how else could it be so?)
Seems like just being in the Now, not thinking and trying to uncover (not add to) your original infinite nature by radiating love and light outwards and inwards might just be the best way of dealing with this infinitely messy holographic existence after all. So say our friends in Zen, Icke et all.
Acerzw
or visually:
The words I posted were spoken by the First builder.
--giantkiller.
GK,
Indeed, thought more correctly, one could say the only builder...
Acerzw
Weak men can only dream about what strong men conquer.
To not wander lost but march toward achievment,
This is what free men do...
We pursue what other men cower from,
Live not in fear.
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
@GK,
Very True, like the control panel.
Acerzw
GK, I have to say, you're well equiped and a rapid prototyper. Nice work man. EM
@EM,
Thanks. Next I connect to the ad826 board and debug that. The micro controller board with DACs in on the way. I will use the DAC out connected to the xr2206's sweep input to digitally control the VCO's. I have already started prototyping the PC based control interface in Powerbuilder to manipulate the frequencies.
And this is all inline with connecting the TPU. There will be no meltdown or lighting bolts. I can connect some voltage, current or frequency back the the xr2206 am input for shut down or moderation.
--giantkiller.
Playing with the new controller.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giantkilleroverunity (http://www.youtube.com/user/giantkilleroverunity)
Am building the output stages for the ad826's
--giantkiller.
GK,
That video should come with a health warning, wow, the sound from my tiny laptop speakers, nearly took out our tower block... probably drove all the dogs within a 10k radius completely loopy ;D
Acerzw
Beyond that noise what I saw in the GK4 was the ions hitting my skin then the photons appeared. The ions are matter and they travel ahead the light wave. This is what I saw. I could use some verification. Because if this is verifiable via another source then we cannot measure the age of the universe by the light speed.
--giantkiller.
GK,
If that is correct it makes me happy, it would be another fictional limitation banished.
Acerzw
Keep up the good work, giantkiller. I love watching your videos.
Thanks.
My plan is topple the Philistines with a sling and a stone...
--giantkiller.
One small thought can create a nation...
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on September 24, 2007, 11:41:02 PM
One small thought can create a nation...
--giantkiller.
and one small stupid thought can destroy one.
Hans von Lieven
Based on his experiments in vibratory physics Keely thought otherwise. Keely found that pure matter is highly unstable and that stability is the result of interference patterns set up by the interaction of different molecular groupings vibrating at incompatible frequencies.
I am truly blown away... At how close we are and where we've gone.
--giantkiller. Always humbled.
Many of these noises, like hammer blows, grinding noises, bumps and so forth are rich in harmonics, some of which would have been picked up by Keely's ultra sensitive equipment throwing the carefully arranged harmonic relationships out of balance and stopping the mechanism or sending it into an uncontrollable spin, perhaps even exploding it. I feel that many of the explosions that dogged Keely all his life were due to the influence of uncontrollable extraneous vibrations.
And this why square waves are problematic and difficult to harness the output.
--giantkiller.
Quick! hansvonlieven, he said the word Keely! Thats your queue to post!
Just giving you a hard time, but to your point hansvonlieven, Keely had great insight
and prosperity (though from the sounds of it his work was often "problematic") into
acoustics, and wave theory in general. Since his scientific understanding was based off of physical
models one must keep one thing in mind, each of Keely's instruments always vibrated at its resonant frequency.
Thus in building working models, Keely was forced to marry the frequency with physical shape and size.
From what I have seen, many of his devices were almost ellegant. They almost look like they would make sense.
This was not my first observation however. First I looked, and saw not science and invention, but more faciful creations
not based in any reality I have seen. Our greatest triumph (as many see it) is our ability to "master" the world around us.
However it seems that success in this field, is not dependant on the manipulation of the world around it,
to learn from it, and use it as it was intended. We need to resonate with the world around us if you will.
Now we all play with signal generators and amplifiers which put out whatever frequency we tell, on what ever shape we want
and wonder why its so damn hard to ever get anything to work. HMMMMMMMMMMMM I see a trend.
After looking at so much material some people have become to call me reclusive (mainly my fiance) I start to see a GLARING
trend in overunity devices that claim success. Resonance. This has been said a thousand times over, but it must be itterated again, and designs
must be built with this specifically in mind. Even in our blessed electronics there are LC circuits which are almost inherantly free energy devices.
Free movement of electrons with only the price of resistance to pay.
Maybe we should take a step back, look at what we are creating, and think long and hard about what we are trying to accomplish. Lets not
force our way in over unity devices, lets try to work with our materials with the goal of resonance in mind.
P.S. Giantkiller, I think I have oscilloscope envy.
@armag
GK, and all here take resonance very seriously, read some of the earlier posts on this thread, and the later ones on the original Lord of the Ring thread, then you will be a true recluse!
Acerzw
@armagdn03 & Acerzw,
I went to youtube and viewed my own vids. The harmonics that I posted actually come back from the server on replay and shook the house. What can I say? Is it Bose or is it Memorex?
I didn't post all my scope shots, but some of them look like the 'Bride of Frankenstein'. And sitting in the audio field at the same time? Wow. I had the right ear pointing towards the speaker when I was adjusting a freq. I heard and felt the harmonic standing wave move over my right ear, through my listening cavity and appear on the left ear while the opposite ear was always in dead air space.
Yes. The Keely page blew me away. I suggest all viewers go absorb that. It is definately the stuff dreams are made of.
--giantkiller. Back to circuit...
Quote from: giantkiller on September 25, 2007, 10:25:37 PM
@armagdn03 & Acerzw,
I went to youtube and viewed my own vids. The harmonics that I posted actually come back from the server on replay and shook the house. What can I say? Is it Bose or is it Memorex?
I didn't post all my scope shots, but some of them look like the 'Bride of Frankenstein'. And sitting in the audio field at the same time? Wow. I had the right ear pointing towards the speaker when I was adjusting a freq. I heard and felt the harmonic standing wave move over my right ear, through my listening cavity and appear on the left ear while the opposite ear was always in dead air space.
Yes. The Keely page blew me away. I suggest all viewer go absorb that. It is definately the stuff dreams are made of.
--giantkiller. Back to circuit...
I am going to start a new hard water band called 'Rogue wave'. LOL
Can I play the Bass TPU,,,
Acerzw
A new problem arose:
My power supply faded under load. Bought a newer, better one from Jameco, Jameco#:668764 Qty: 1 $164.85, 3 day ship not in stock.
The PSU was a +-12 / -5v. Some part of the regulation failed. Don't have to time repair. When just the sine wave controller hooked up supply dropped to 8v. Never saw the problem. When I hooked in the class A's the voltage dropped to +3.35.
There is a newer, better 10 foot audio TPU being built. If I had my druthers I would buy 2 more Bose acoustic radiators just for this experiment and rattle the neighborhood. 8) It would equate to the Hutchison effect but with Muzak! Wouldn't that be an elevator? Keely points this out.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: armagdn03 on September 25, 2007, 09:11:35 PM
Quick! hansvonlieven, he said the word Keely! Thats your queue to post!
LOL, Don't need to, he is quoting me
http://www.keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
"The ringing of a bell in vacuo liberates as many corpuscles ...."
Using Magnetic fields reproduces the vacuum environment...
Because there is no external interfering frequencies due to the short distance between our transmitter and receiver. ;D
--giantkiller. Out there thar be giants!
GK why not hook up 2 12 volt batteries for now to give you the +12 and -12 volt supplies you need for the amps and sig gens. Any logic stuff running on 5 volt use a PC PSU.
This may be totally of base, but I was thinking off topic and I wonder what a tpu would do if you made it a little bigger then built what we could call a tesla coil secondary with ground and breakout find the resonate freq of that large coil mabey construct it so its resonate freq was that of the rouge 4 wave or one of the 3 coil freq's. I guess im saying that
a lot of energy can be created with 3 audio freq done properly, Hence Giantkiller's awesome bose expermient , and if it were possible to use something like this to excite an electrical oscilator like the secondary of a tesla coil that would be a fraction of the power needed to run a TC. Just a note, if im completly off base im sorry i took up space cause you folks are making awsome progress and i dont mean to offend anyone. thanks
OK.
@localjoe,
Great idea. There's enough crayons in the box for everybody. Pick a color and draw till your hearts content.
@all,
The latest setup is to test the standing wave and the centered rogue wave using sound. The test consists of (3) 400 watt speakers radially aligned at 120 degrees and facing towards the center. Each audio channel will have its own frequency. This will place the heterodyning effect in 3d space against matter. The waves will be controllable by frequency adjustments alone. Keely states that at 42khz water will explode. The test subjects will include balloons, styrofoam particles, and microphones. Nothing like playing for keeps.
--giantkiller. Hey, wouldn't Bose be surprised at the application. We're gonna kick some major butt on the playground of reality.
nice gk
looks like fun lol!!
is
Hmmmm.....
Starting to look a bit familiar there GK!
This is a call to arms!
For those of you living vicariously through those of us that have hardware all over our hands We are making a request. What is needed is a 2 channel sound generator for the pc. Something with sliders and range setters that one can change while running with 4 place decimal. This would be the tool to duplicate what Keely talks about and demo-ed. This would also be a useful tool for all of us. I repeat, a big step! Because everyone would have a tool to test with. Run it on 2 pcs and you have 3 freq heterodyning. And you'll be kicking ass with the rest of us. I shit you not! So you want to be an integral part of this mess? Write a program to do this. Pump it through a stereo. Face the speakers towards each other and blow the elastic out of your underpants! I am serious as a heart attack! I went to youtube and could not believe the Q of the sound that came back from my posted videos. Keely and Tesla both mentioned the inescapable quality from the right mix. It can kill you!
IS and I did web searches and found crap. Nothing that runs dynamic. That is the important part.
--giantkiller. Somebody respond! There are no excuses, only failures if so.
ive got a o-scope program that has a dual freq gen built in and i think it will do what your asking how could i send it to you, rather i dont have my own ftp and it would be easier if i could upload it somewhere not attach it to an e-mail, well i cant attach it its 35 meg hmmm
Joe
Quote from: giantkiller on September 26, 2007, 05:11:46 PM
OK.
Keely states that at 42khz water will explode.
Can someone please tell me where Keely said that? The only reference I have ever found relating to 42800 Hz is in relation to magnetism and antigravity.
Please someone tell me where he talks about that frequency in relation to water.
Hans von Lieven
Let me look again. the 42.8khz is what I saw. I will look again.
On another note. I have the (2) 12v lawn and garden batteries and everything hooked up. The amp has the heterodyning appearing all throughout the circuit instead of on seperate channels. I need to scope this out. But the amps run and the totem pole fets works too. Just up and works. Too cool.
@Joe,
Is it a personal prog that you wrote or can it be downlded from somewhere?
If anybody knows of a temp site for transfer we can get this out. The 3 freqs are very important. I just had a friend get blown away by TPU sings #6 video. It travels well.
--giantkiller. Don't want to mislead anybody.
G'day Giantkiller,
I have just downloaded a 2 channel oscilloscope with a dual frequency generator.Have a look there and see if its any good to you, its free and has quite a bit of documentation. I haven't had a chance to put it through its paces yet, so no guarantees. :-)
http://www.allworldsoft.com/cgi/screenshot.cgi?t=2&id=822
Greetings
Hans von Lieven
GK as much as its fun to play with sounds you really need to move on to hit the coils with these sine waves i been pushing now for a couple of weeks. Anyone wants to play with sounds can do this with the NCH tone generator on a PC which is about 30 bucks i think to unlock the 30 day trial and it maybe just as good if not more stable then the sig gens you are using. but the bandwidth is far too limited for tpu testing i suspect. It will however do 3 or many more concurrent frequencies of square sine and triangle to get a "feel" of creating 3D which is the basic principle of a tpu.
G'day all,
Try this for a frequency generator, it has 10 channels fully adjustable. Just unzip and click on the oran20 icon, it does not need installing. The guy that wrote it is Russian, so there is no documentation to speak of only a small text file, but it is not hard to figure out.I have used it, checks out OK but it takes a long time to render when you have complex sounds and it has no facility for looping. I will post some more function generators when I get the time, I have quite a few. I also have a few more scopes.
Hans von Lieven
Here's a screen shot, no i didnt write it i just found it a few months ago and held onto it its free, anyways it has recording features and lets you do signal analysis and freq stuff with band pass filters and what not.
@GK,
Cool, I will try this, I don't know if you are still using the three frequencies from the Tibetan Pipe Document, but would suggest even if you arent, that you try those frequencies with a tube from each speaker ending just short of the center. If the theory is correct you should find that a sizeable object placed in middle will lose some weight or perhaps decided that gravity just isn't that important after all!
As you have a separate channel and frequency for each speaker your setup would be perfect for this. Not sure if this is what you intended but definetly worth a go...8) ;) ::) :o ???
@BEP
Apologies where was that 'Closed System Pulse' diagram you posted from/what does it relate to?
@Bolt
You have contributed so much in such a short time I know you are waiting to see the results of your contributions etc, but have patience, GK is methodical and is taking the right approach, step by step and steady, taking time to examine the results of each stage. This process is likely to avoid simple mistakes, and his frequent updates are a kind of peer review (though he has no equal in MHO), it also gives others a chance to feedback into the process. It also prevents the project going off on Otto Style (no disrespect Otto) type side journeys, which may eventually be productive but are outside of the current plan. In short be patient, GK is taking giant steps in short times, do you really want him to run with all the metal in his feet and blow himself up?... No me neither... High Speed Cruise Control is just the job ;)
Acerzw
;D
i was playing with nch tone generator last night for a few hours and......
i finally found a good combo of freqs and i found in playing that the closer the freqs are to each other the better the effect
ist
IS,
be careful powerful VLF waves can liquify your guts, did you hear about the scientist who build a 12 foot steam whistle, the lab assistant got pulped. No joke 2hz I think it was.
Acerzw ::)
@all
just gearing up for the big audio test this weekend 8)
i have an invorentory of car audio equip i will be playing with including 3 450w speekers a 4 channel alpine audio amp and 2 computers for the freq gennys and some 12vdc batteries lets just say it can get verry lould lol!! the subs are also DVC so i could really put 6 inputs to 3 speekers ;) hummmm..... 2 phases?? 2 dirrections hummm..... so many ways it can be hooked up to mimic the tpu in audio
all subs are capable of 1 ohm load ;) oh yea so are the amps can you say BOOM BOOM KABOOM!! LOL!!
but for the first test all amps and speekers will be 4 ohm load
yes i will make a video of it and post it
ist
I think IS is about to discover the cause of the statement, "Rock till you puke". ;D ;D ;D
Be easy and know that certain tones CAN kill.
thaelin
Quote from: bolt on September 26, 2007, 11:55:24 PM
GK as much as its fun to play with sounds you really need to move on to hit the coils with these sine waves i been pushing now for a couple of weeks. Anyone wants to play with sounds can do this with the NCH tone generator on a PC which is about 30 bucks i think to unlock the 30 day trial and it maybe just as good if not more stable then the sig gens you are using. but the bandwidth is far too limited for tpu testing i suspect. It will however do 3 or many more concurrent frequencies of square sine and triangle to get a "feel" of creating 3D which is the basic principle of a tpu.
Yes Sir,
I am making steps every day and pushing forward. I used 78ls05's in the ad826 class A-s. They aren't high enough spec. I will move to the 7805 T220.
I mentioned the move into the freq gens for others. It was fun watching IS tune while I scoped out my amps. I am not far from the progress you want me to get to.
Thanks guys for all the gen software ideas. The playground is a little more open for others. And more artifacts towards the validation of other historic men and their experiments.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 26, 2007, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on September 26, 2007, 05:11:46 PM
OK.
Keely states that at 42khz water will explode.
Can someone please tell me where Keely said that? The only reference I have ever found relating to 42800 Hz is in relation to magnetism and antigravity.
Please someone tell me where he talks about that frequency in relation to water.
Hans von Lieven
"While yet a young man, Keely learned carpentry and used his income to pursue his experiments in sound vibrations. About 1866 while he was pursuing a line of experimentation in sonic vibrations, he discovered a hitherto unknown energy. He was subjecting water to sonic vibrations and had an explosion which wrecked his apparatus. Six years of intensive experiments passed before he was able to produce this energy at will. He found that 42,800 vibrations per second would vaporise water instantly into energy. He named this energy 'Etheric Force' and the process of changing the substance of water into etheric force Dissociation".
--giantkiller. Sounds gut wrenching to me, eh?
Quote from: acerzw on September 27, 2007, 07:28:09 AM
@BEP
Apologies where was that 'Closed System Pulse' diagram you posted from/what does it relate to?
The graphic I posted was originally from another web site. It matched my configuration to produce a dual vertical magnetic vortex. At frequencies above 300 kHz I experienced the not-so-believable anomalies. Details not suitable to clog GK's thread. Basically posted to show that 90 degrees IS important in magnetics - not so in audio. In audio the rogue wave effect is an increase in amplitude. In magnetics it is an increase in magnetic vacuum - the same way CRT beams are focused and directed. Notice I didn't say 'accelerated'. When people see ?accelerated? they think more power ? not true. Particle speed and direction can be controlled with magnetics. If a particle is drawn into a field it will exit at 90 degrees out the side (solenoid type coil with a bias). When it exits another takes its place etc. etc.
No apologies required. I post what I think will help and has been confirmed true. If I need to explain then I will, when possible.
Gripes about working with audio? I don?t understand. SM was definitely into audio. This may be the path he took. Once you understand it you are light years ahead of others building coils ? IMO
Your results rock GK ? go ahead and stop to smell the flowers, man.
Quote from: BEP on September 27, 2007, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: acerzw on September 27, 2007, 07:28:09 AM
@BEP
Apologies where was that 'Closed System Pulse' diagram you posted from/what does it relate to?
The graphic I posted was originally from another web site. It matched my configuration to produce a dual vertical magnetic vortex. At frequencies above 300 kHz I experienced the not-so-believable anomalies. Details not suitable to clog GK's thread. Basically posted to show that 90 degrees IS important in magnetics - not so in audio. In audio the rogue wave effect is an increase in amplitude. In magnetics it is an increase in magnetic vacuum - the same way CRT beams are focused and directed. Notice I didn't say 'accelerated'. When people see ?accelerated? they think more power ? not true. Particle speed and direction can be controlled with magnetics. If a particle is drawn into a field it will exit at 90 degrees out the side (solenoid type coil with a bias). When it exits another takes its place etc. etc.
No apologies required. I post what I think will help and has been confirmed true. If I need to explain then I will, when possible.
Gripes about working with audio? I don?t understand. SM was definitely into audio. This may be the path he took. Once you understand it you are light years ahead of others building coils ? IMO
Your results rock GK ? go ahead and stop to smell the flowers, man.
Thanks much. As you know and others soon, the audio is a good starter platform with minimal resources.
We wound coils for over a year. Everybody was jumping in with their latest heap addition. To no avail. Even after I blew shit up things still went down the yellow brick road.
With the switch to audio I was up to speed in a week with hardware. But the big deal is that the other posters were fully aware in 2 weeks. Wow. Imagine that?
Kinda makes my head spin. Pun intended.
Thanks, Bolt.
Two soundwaves crossing at right angles have a profound effect on each other that becomes more noticeable when the frequency of the waves are different. :o
The dissociation of water with a vibratory stream is not an easy task and should not be undertaken lightly without reasonable safeguards especially as to explosions.
--giantkiller. Most humbly and still having fun at it.
just looking and playing around i found a freq calc it is kool makes things easyer here it is http://www.microvolt.com/harmonics.html
also i was finding combo's of freqs to play with and when i use that calc and the harmonics dosent matter the freq i end up with the same wave i thought it was neet so if you know the freq of the collector use the calc for the other 2 freqs
is
here is a sound file i made using 1st freq then 2nd harmonic then 3rd harmonic all at once
i used 47.5hz 95hz 142.5hz i used 40 hz as the base freq like our collector coil here is a pic of the wave
Quote from: giantkiller on September 27, 2007, 01:40:34 PM
"While yet a young man, Keely learned carpentry and used his income to pursue his experiments in sound vibrations. About 1866 while he was pursuing a line of experimentation in sonic vibrations, he discovered a hitherto unknown energy. He was subjecting water to sonic vibrations and had an explosion which wrecked his apparatus. Six years of intensive experiments passed before he was able to produce this energy at will. He found that 42,800 vibrations per second would vaporise water instantly into energy. He named this energy 'Etheric Force' and the process of changing the substance of water into etheric force Dissociation".
--giantkiller. Sounds gut wrenching to me, eh?
G'day Giantkiller,
This is probably something Dan A Davidson wrote. I am aware of these stories, my query is that I cannot find anywhere KEELY saying something like this, not even in a news interview. I would love to know where this idea came from.
Perhaps I am being a bit pedantic here, but isn't this what good research is all about?
Hans von Lieven
@Is
I think that will have to be track two on 'TPU's Greatest Hits', track one has to be GK's bombastic TPU#5 Video soundtrack, which resonates buildings/neighbourhoods, though I am waiting for an MP3 from this coming weekend session which I reckon will be GK's best gig yet (and may cause minor earthquakes, and potentially split the earth in half, if it resonates with your gig!) :P
@BEP
Thanks for the info.
Acerzw, waiting for the Earth to ring like a bell two days hence... TPU'Geddon
I totally agree. I honed in on the water and explosions. It's in my nature. :D
--giantkiller.
G'day Giantkiller and all,
Acerzw has just put me onto a pdf that is on line here. I think this will interest you.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=12444
Let me know what you think, shouldn't be too difficult to do with your rig.
I'm trying it too.
Hans von Lieven
@hans
I think GK etc are all aware... but worth while posting again for those that didn't catch it the first time around... very interesting document originally found and posted by thaelin...
_ _ _ _ _ _
Acerzw, ..|_| |_| |_| |_/ \_/ \_/ \_/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\________ (lets not flatline the Earth!)
LOL
I thought of this the minute I posted it. I guess I was carried away with my enthusiasm and my willingness to share.
Not too bad an attribute, I hope.
Hans von Lieven
Oh yeah. I was all over that one when it came out.
We be growing new brains!
That is where I got 120 degrees spatial distancing from. BUT! I just saw something new!!!!!!!!! He pumped the audio down PVC pipes as wave guides to the center. Damn! I mean bam!
I got to try that. Any wave shape or mix should prove quite interesting. Drop a water balloon or a piece of fruit in the middle.
--giantkiller. But alas. My marching instructions are to connect the TPU. So I must do that first. That is bigger. But when Igor gets back from the brain parts store. O-boy.
@hans
Indeed not, its open source, thats what its all about :)
Acerzw
42712.2Hz is also claimed as a water disintegration frequency. Source unknown, so unverified.
You might ask someone who dissociated water.
G'day all,
Maybe a little off the thread but perhaps of interest.
This is the set-up I am in the process of developing right now. Any suggestions in relation to this design. For the moment I will go along with the frequency that has been bandied around, though I strongly suspect that the carrier frequency has to be a harmonic of the fundamental on which the composite audio signal is built or vice versa.
Hans von Lieven
Whoa!!!
You dissociate that much water, or even a portion of it, and you will NOT live to tell about it.
That is the brutal, honest truth.
Sorry Grumpy,
This is intended as a diagram of principle only, not of actual dimensions. I am well aware of the dangers involved. I have had explosions too.
Hans von Lieven
- Sorry, computer stuff up
The only time you get a big boom is if you disassociating the electrons from the H atoms where the H collapses into a proton . Or the term "Going Nuclear " If this happens 1 ounce of water can take out your house depending on how many H atoms collapse simultaneously .
And it can be done in RF and high electromagnetic resonant fields . This is only if you key the electron properly and not the entire atom as it will change over all .This requires a vibration that will resonate the electron out of orbit increasing the spin rates many times normal.
Some think this can be done with photon laser light . I have yet to see that work though it does help to sustain the excited rate of the electron , spin.
If you key the hole system
the electrons will stabilize to the resonance of the entire system. Electron keying only, is the way to release massive energy, a very hard target to hit even in huge field because the system tries to adapted and balance itself . All you are really doing is sound swapping in a magnetic field. Very fast
Of cource the resonance of the electron is much higher than you are working with for simply pulling water apart.
Sorry GK, I just realized this is your TPU thread
IronHead
@IronHead,
No problem. Everything is valid. Solids, liquids, gases, frequencies and harmonics all seem to coelesce to some degree in the valid attempts for OU. I haven't seen anything to the contrary. What else could there be?
--giantkiller. One big happy detonation. 8)
TIME
Plasma is one of the keys to opening doors of understanding. It has a unique way of showing you what is happening in the phenomenology of the unknown forces. For instance , a phase conjugate wave .With out the understand of time reversed waves you do not have the full picture of energy .
Quote from: giantkiller on September 27, 2007, 09:12:08 PM
@IronHead,
No problem. Everything is valid. Solids, liquids, gases, frequencies and harmonics all seem to coelesce to some degree in the valid attempts for OU. I haven't seen anything to the contrary. What else could there be?
--giantkiller. One big happy detonation. 8)
You maybe have a page some place where you explain what you are working at?
Ive seen this.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
But it says it's from 10 years ago? Isn't there any more recent website?
Quote from: gaby de wilde on September 27, 2007, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on September 27, 2007, 09:12:08 PM
@IronHead,
No problem. Everything is valid. Solids, liquids, gases, frequencies and harmonics all seem to coelesce to some degree in the valid attempts for OU. I haven't seen anything to the contrary. What else could there be?
--giantkiller. One big happy detonation. 8)
You maybe have a page some place where you explain what you are working at?
Ive seen this.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
But it says it's from 10 years ago? Isn't there any more recent website?
Well there is also Borderlands and the Dollard doco/ videos. I didn't do any more searching because what was shown worked. If there is anything more recent then you're here at OU. The information that brought me up to speed was the Telsa patents and other things like Keely. We dig and grovel. I don't understand the lapses in progress. But pretty much the live OU and the talented people are bringing alot to the present. So far this looks like the most fervent effort from the most active groups. The 100 year docos still has life in it.
The most effort comes from those who like to play on the fringe also. :D
For the guys, it's the little boy in us that likes to blow stuff up. I can't help myself.
--giantkiller. Thanks for posting.
I have been pretty deep into some very dangerous discoveries and have been reluctant to post anything until things have been better worked out.
oops not sure you were asking me.
I'll be on my way as to not high jack this thread .It just seems to happen to me.
Quote from: IronHead on September 27, 2007, 09:45:22 PM
I have been pretty deep into some very dangerous discoveries and have been reluctant to post anything until things have been better worked out.
oops not sure you were asking me.
I'll be on my way as to not high jack this thread .It just seems to happen to me.
Thats ok.
Last I heard, Eric Dollard was in the Bay Area (San Francisco Bay) and consulting for electrical utility companies.
He still appears at Tesla symposium type get-to-gethers.
411.com will list an E. T. Dollard in that area, but have not called to see if this is Eric.
@IH - Pm'd new cell concept.
Following this:http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html
I got into the ad826 class A's last night and found the positive side amp goes to rail and same with the negative side to bottom rail. Its like infinite gain on top and bottom. The pot adj has not affect.
I put in sine 600mv and get sine 100mv only on bottom side. +-12v battery supply. I even disconnected the fet totems. Same results. I also had 1uf coupling on the inputs and 1uf on the outputs. No change. I removed them both at end.
I can see no misconnections in the 3 amp ckts.
I might just break down and buy 3 and jump over this design issue.
When this problem is out of the way I see with the audio solution using wave guides under exact digital control I will produce the Keeley liberator. The micro processor to DAC to the xr2206's does just that. He didnt use hardly any volume / amplitutde. His vibratory medium was the plasma or gas. I believe the acoustic laser can be made dangerous with the right transducers like Hutchison used pulse down focused wave guides. If the effect can detonate water then solid matter can be altered also. Just like John Hutchison is doing.
So yes I have to get the amps up and press on with the results of the TPU. But I will be back in parallel force.
I hate these brickwalls that pop up. Solid noise.
--giantkiller.
@GK, Is and All
Walls of solid noise... can be removed with resonance too.. as you know and have proven! It took me a while to figure out your guilty secret which even you do not yet know!
GK I strongly suspect that you build a time machine this weekend and go back to 1550BC to try a quick test of your Super-Bombastic Audio TPU by giving a bloke who needs an inconvenient wall demolished a hand... :o
Oh and I do have documentary evidence! Albeit a drawing of the event by someone who heard it third-hand from a friend of a friend of a blind guy who witnessed it... pretty good evidence by any standard...
See below... Two guys can clearly be seen carrying an Audio TPU, behind a guy who takes all the credit with his silly rams horn (or is that Is pretending to be an innocent bystander).
Acerzw, correcting the errors in biblical history 8) ::)
(Walls of Jericho, naughty GK (and Is?) ! Lucky you didn't leave any equipment behind, otherwise Jesus would have ended up doing a podcast which his followers would have dutifully downloaded onto their water/goat powered Joshua-Bose made iPods! :P)
Quote from: acerzw on September 28, 2007, 06:19:34 PM
@GK, Is and All
Walls of solid noise... can be removed with resonance too.. as you know and have proven! It took me a while to figure out your guilty secret which even you do not yet know!
GK I strongly suspect that you build a time machine this weekend and go back to 1550BC to try a quick test of your Super-Bombastic Audio TPU by giving a bloke who needs an inconvenient wall demolished a hand... :o
Oh and I do have documentary evidence! Albeit a drawing of the event by someone who heard it third-hand from a friend of a friend of a blind guy who witnessed it... pretty good evidence by any standard...
See below... Two guys can clearly be seen carrying an Audio TPU, behind a guy who takes all the credit with his silly rams horn (or is that Is pretending to be an innocent bystander).
Acerzw, correcting the errors in biblical history 8) ::)
(Walls of Jericho, naughty GK (and Is?) ! Lucky you didn't leave any equipment behind, otherwise Jesus would have ended up doing a podcast which his followers would have dutifully downloaded onto their water/goat powered Joshua-Bose made iPods! :P)
There truely is nothing new under the sun, eh brother?
--giantkiller. Basic instructions before leaving Earth...
@GK,
You are saying you have discovered the sun has a preferred orientation too! Amazing, I have been looking for the top for ages! Please post details here... >:(
Acerzw
I don't know whats happened GK i think this should work fine. Check the voltage out of the 5 volt reg. Note it doesn't sit directly on the supply but in the bias loop. The pot must make a difference if its working should draw least 1/2 amp quiescent at midrange and might go to 3 amps closed. This amp should run HOT within seconds of turning on thus good heat sink essential.
The op amp looks fine the gain set by the input ratio roughly a gain of 9 non inverting its really just a buffer an supply the symmetry. See what voltage you have between the mosfets for the biasing. There is a chance something wasn't right and a mosfet has been killed. You can check the opamp independent of all the other biasing by lift the output leg and stick 1k back to the input then put a 1uf cap on it and scope it should work fine.
Such a simple circuit must be something really silly. If you get really stuck and cant fix it then you can buy a 4 channel car mosfet amp from ebay for about 25 bucks brand new which is cheaper then you can build these things for. Even the alu case and fittings will cost more then that to buy and make. In hind site it may have been prudent to go that route instead. Some designs have 4 separate pcbs inside too makes a bargain you cant refuse to get access to four 25 watt RMS MOSFET amps for 6 bucks each dont matter even if you blow the crap of it of for that money. The standard config is 400 watt music power. So called 100 watt rip off music power per channel usually comes down to 25 watts RMS at 0.01% distortion.
They need small mods to lift the bandwidth like removing or decreasing input and output sig to ground caps that would normally roll off the top end to make them a bit more stable and save power where you cant hear it anyway but we need the bandwidth. Some of the amps are spec at 35k with no mods. I cant see any reason why these wont go to 100k when "lifted" as most mosfets are spec much higher then that and should be ample for tpu testing and plenty of power. I'm confident this will make a good test bed.
Ebay is an excellent source for cheap parts including inverters. They are so cheap now for 500 watt inverter will give you access to ferrite rings, cores, chokes, resistors and caps and mos fets that would cost 3 or 4 times more to buy the parts alone. Sometimes there are sold as faulty i seen 1000 watt inverter for like 5 bucks which are a tpu builder bargains for spare parts. :)
;D
nice bolt
lol!!
i just happin to have a verry nice 4 channel amp right here ;) also here is a pic of a mono car audio amp 1 hom stable and all digital i have 2 of thease and the last pic is an 150 w invertor taken apart there irf634b fets in this invertor and there just happins to be 3 of them in there ;)
but i really liked the invertor part
ist
Well screw the shake and bake shit. Would have been nice to have built something. But when the opamps don't even respond then its time to move on. I went to ebay and found this little gem.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2400-WATT-W-4-Channel-CAR-MOSFET-AMP-AMPLIFIER-NEW_W0QQitemZ180163349708QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4950QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
Any feedback would be great. I trust my judgement but secondary opinions are always welcome. Gonna go spend the day with my girlfriend. I need to get the hell away on break! This corner is just too dark for the length of time I have been at this.
Worked with opamps for years but nothing as stupid as this failure. This attempt doesn't even equate as geek time. I think the schematic is crap.
i think i mentined a bit of my past b4 but maybe not well here it goes
i was a dj for 9 years working on stage with all kinds of special equipment mostly audio and lighting effects so i have a lot of experience with huge amps and speekers and such also car audio was a big hobby of mine in past years
this now gets to be easy fun for me ;D
@bolt
so how might i hook up my amp to my ring there is now way my 15" ring can handle the output of my amps any way i can lower the output or should i just lower the gain on the input?
ist
oh yea 1 more thing i was a grade 9 drop out ;D lol!!!
GK that amp will be shipped from the UK i think will take forever plus shipping not a great bargain.. Its good spec though notice 40k -1db and thats without a "lift" but i personally would get a cheaper one. Less inside easier to hack. The expensive ones start getting complex on board SMPS's and active bass filtering stuff to make it bass all which has to be cut out to make it flat as a pancake.
Anyway have a good break from it all for now.
Quote from: innovation_station on September 29, 2007, 12:24:33 AM
i think i mentined a bit of my past b4 but maybe not well here it goes
i was a dj for 9 years working on stage with all kinds of special equipment mostly audio and lighting effects so i have a lot of experience with huge amps and speekers and such also car audio was a big hobby of mine in past years
this now gets to be easy fun for me ;D
@bolt
so how might i hook up my amp to my ring there is now way my 15" ring can handle the output of my amps any way i can lower the output or should i just lower the gain on the input?
ist
oh yea 1 more thing i was a grade 9 drop out ;D lol!!!
Really?! What style of music did you do? I've been interested djing for a while(mostly EDM). But do you know any tricks to getting gear cheaper than usual? That stuff is spendy! :)
Funny, Djing with builtin tpu's as a power source. Say good bye to finding a outlet! :D
So I guess you guys will be doing your next tests in your cars at 150 km/h. What a way to do OU testing. lol.
lol!!
today im setting up a 10' audio tpu in my livingroom all with car audio equipment gonna play and see if i can lossen the 8" concreat block exteroir of my house ;D
im just throwing it togather using sub boxes i already have the boxes are not the same thus output will not be the same but i think i will still see the effect
ist
i think i will call it Audiohenge
@IS,
Dude! you are so cool! I think i will call it Audiohenge. LOL
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on September 27, 2007, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: gaby de wilde on September 27, 2007, 09:25:00 PM
You maybe have a page some place where you explain what you are working at?
Ive seen this.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
But it says it's from 10 years ago? Isn't there any more recent website?
Well there is also Borderlands and the Dollard doco/ videos. I didn't do any more searching because what was shown worked. If there is anything more recent then you're here at OU.
ah, circular logic. :D
QuoteThe information that brought me up to speed was the Telsa patents and other things like Keely. We dig and grovel.
ok, tnx. I know where to find those.
@ hissy
i see myself as haveing a big advantage over higher educated people
we were taught wrong in the begining ...... well most of us were ;D
not me lol
you all do konw our laws are flawed right ...... well lets put it this way if you dont know are laws are flawed then your in the wrong place
ist
still playing with AudioHenge working out problems ( my speakers are not ballanced at all ) but im working on it
hey when grade 10 came around i was on the road playing shows ;) where would you sooner be in a classroom or on stage rockin the place
well i choose my path and i enjoyed every min of it now i look back and see many many friends with higher educations working for change to pay the bills
such is life
great hissy
now you are the next TESLA quit talking SHIT and get to work!!!
i have decided to move on to 3 seprate car amps 1 for each speeker i think i will also bridge the amps so i get a wee bit more air movment out of the subs does any one have any ideas for combos of 3 freqs?
i am trying to stay below 100hz but will try almost any thing
ideas?
a pic of my setup well it shakes and gets verry lould at one point when i turned the amps up lould it was like there was some kind of feed back a squeel weird
still playing
is
well finished the playing around headache and all lol!!
well my friend JT did not make it over today so i did not shoot a vid but its all good :) i think you all know what happins any ways with 3 freqs
well i took some pictures of the setup i could not pic wich were the best so here they all are
So I take this gorgeous woman out shopping. She wants a cherry red Ducoti. I take her to Car toys and tell her this goes farther faster.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on September 30, 2007, 08:36:28 AM
great hissy
now you are the next TESLA quit talking SHIT and get to work!!!
i have decided to move on to 3 seprate car amps 1 for each speeker i think i will also bridge the amps so i get a wee bit more air movment out of the subs does any one have any ideas for combos of 3 freqs?
i am trying to stay below 100hz but will try almost any thing
ideas?
Could you try levitating a ping pong ball for me? ;D
I heard this guy talk about some experiments he did, and one was levitating a ping pong ball over a speaker. He stated it was around 28,000 cycles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BUx0k3_HQI&mode=related&search=
Could be nothing, but perhaps worth a try since it seems pretty simple.
nice score gk so u gonna dissect it?
well i can say i think i have a clearer view what happins in a tpu now
basically the freqs don't matter there will allways be something that matches it from what i have done and seen i would say the 3 freqs make a rotating wave like a light house and it travelers round and round the ring but this only happins with 2 freqs close to each other and the difference between them controls the speed this is how i saw the waw waw waw waw effect you can do it with all freqs as i see
so how does this relate to the tpu? well i think we must replace our audio freqs with our coils resonant freqs
ist
sorry i took it down now but i wouldnt be surprised because at certian freqs i managed to move leaves on a flower plant and it was more like a twich not a vibration movement that was done on the verry low end of the sounds it was neat i did it sevral times to make sure it was not somthing else it did it every time funny thing
@ freezer cool vid
i dont know if my amps will do it but i will try it tomorrow see what happins
Quote from: innovation_station on September 30, 2007, 09:47:05 PM
nice score gk so u gonna dissect it?
well i can say i think i have a clearer view what happins in a tpu now
basically the freqs don't matter there will allways be something that matches it from what i have done and seen i would say the 3 freqs make a rotating wave like a light house and it travelers round and round the ring but this only happins with 2 freqs close to each other and the difference between them controls the speed this is how i saw the waw waw waw waw effect you can do it with all freqs as i see
so how does this relate to the tpu? well i think we must replace our audio freqs with our coils resonant freqs
ist
sorry i took it down now but i wouldnt be surprised because at certian freqs i managed to move leaves on a flower plant and it was more like a twich not a vibration movement that was done on the verry low end of the sounds it was neat i did it sevral times to make sure it was not somthing else it did it every time funny thing
I am gonna hook it straight in first. 2 channels with 110watt 4" 2 ways with 4" diam pvc 1 foot long wave guides. These 2 assemblies will be pointed at the Bose for the very low freq.
The Bose will provide the dc bias type field in audio. The 2 2ways will provide the window of the lower freq and upper freq. I will use keely's freqs. This will start a configurable platform. I still wait for the DACs to come in to hook to the xr2206 sweep inputs.
I am glad you turned it on, dude! Way too cool. Congrats. Keep playing.
--giantkiller.
Here's the program finally folks sorry it took so long and if you folks want to make this file local it would be appreciated so people can get it easier
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MKHA1V0P (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MKHA1V0P)
On a similar note someone who has a p3 or and early Amd , and or any mac that can run virtual pc , should use this old box for a testbed computer / and im sure theres a crt somewhere in the basement to go with it, but in reality what is garbage to a school or other place can serve as a great home for this little program if you want something that does o scope function, 2 channel with triggers, freq analysis , band pass and hi lo filters, recording options and a sweet signal gen that has 2 channels and multiple adjustments, real user friendly. Just a thought
Miracles are real.
This is an incredible two videos. Watch the top one first; bottom one
second.
For part 1, click on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeV0KFgXvO8
Watch it, then for part 2, click on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgmsjp3tLQ0
--giantkiller.
By the time he hits the greens, he will be miles ahead of the best. Make em sweat kido. Wonder if Tiger W. will give him a hand?
thaelin
That really is an amazing story, with Kyle having zero depth perception!
Acerzw
8)
--giantkiller.
For those who may not have changed channel recently, EMdevices has made a significant breakthrough regarding the use of magnetorestriction in the TPU which explains nearly all of the phenomenon it demonstrates and many of SM's comments!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg52766.html#msg52766
Acerzw
@GK
Did the LMD get ya?
Whatever you do don't leave what you've been doing here. I still think it is the most if not only important function of the TPU.
BEP
Quote from: BEP on October 04, 2007, 04:46:36 PM
@GK
Did the LMD get ya?
Whatever you do don't leave what you've been doing here. I still think it is the most if not only important function of the TPU.
BEP
The wave pic is class a amplifier running. I connected an ungrounded scope and that worked injecting noise with the bias to get the amplifier to conduct. That is wrong and that is not 60hz. I grounded the scope and the amplifier went rail to rail square waves. The fets were not conducting so that created no feedback which equals high resistance, so the gain shoots thru the roof. I have to alter the IRF530 schem to work with the IRF840's. That will get a balanced scenario between the output and the input. I get 1 to work and I get 3. ;)
Just being quiet. I am experiencing an abundance of good things in my life after geek caving for 4 years. I just busted out. But I am here still. This is way too big to let go of and my circle of aquaintances know this and rescue me every so often. I am a very lucky guy in that regards.
--giantkiller. I press on to infinity. 8)
Good to know when you have that kind of circle around you!
When you bust out - keep it down a bit oer' da' dudes wit da white coats get paid overtime ;D
Guys think about this. Frequency/vibration effect electricity in the same way.
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/
At one frequency you get a vortex spinning clock wise, at a second frequency you get a spiral vortex in a counter clock wise motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY
Quote from: BEP on October 04, 2007, 06:41:42 PM
Good to know when you have that kind of circle around you!
When you bust out - keep it down a bit oer' da' dudes wit da white coats get paid overtime ;D
I luv showin the sm6- sm17 vids to my peeps. The look is classic!
--giantkiller.
I hope it isn't an audience full of white coats! They can have a poor sense of humor!
Rats! Three inch fires and smokin' wires!
@Bolt,
It was something way too silly. I am embarrased. I didn't have the +12 rail hooked to the tops of the fet totem poles.
@all,
But to stay true to my Danger Guy image, when I turned it on again I had a mini-911 with 3 inch flames.
Hey, I blow stuff up. I can't help it.
So now I do post disaster triage and see what I can recover. Things were so close...
And remember: 'Only you can prevent Fet fires'.
--gaintkiller. Backdraft...
Hey GK,
Blowing up stuff is good, at least it shows there is ENERGY in the system :-)
Hans
i have been giveing the 3 freqs much thought in the last week
so far this is what i have come up with sm says 3 freqs start them 1 at a time 1st freq = fundmental freq of collector or a harmonic of it 2nd freq = Second harmonic COMPONMENT so what does that mean? i dont think it means the second harmonic!!!! it means the second componments resonant freq ie. the control coils or a harmonic of that then the 3rd hummm would it be the harmonic of the first 2 freqs?
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on October 05, 2007, 08:01:37 AM
i have been giveing the 3 freqs much thought in the last week
so far this is what i have come up with sm says 3 freqs start them 1 at a time 1st freq = fundmental freq of collector or a harmonic of it 2nd freq = Second harmonic COMPONMENT so what does that mean? i dont think it means the second harmonic!!!! it means the second componments resonant freq ie. the control coils or a harmonic of that then the 3rd hummm would it be the harmonic of the first 2 freqs?
ist
Oh yeah... The humm that brings down the house. 8)
A friend of mine wants to experience this audio wave test live. Whoohahaha! I told her is was part of a new weight loss program. It'll shake the stuffin's out of anythong.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 05, 2007, 04:07:25 AM
Hey GK,
Blowing up stuff is good, at least it shows there is ENERGY in the system :-)
Hans
Yes. So now I have the 1.) The input, 2.) the amplifier, 3.) the output. I have to interface the amp to the output better. Then I can get to the next step smoothing the total operation. I will have a self contained triple Class A setup. Sweet!
Importante:I put a 1k resistor at the postive input of the opamp. Now no infinite gain. Right in line.This is the second change to the ad826 schematic
http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html (http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html).
The first change was IRF840's.
Now I have to find the imbalance of operation to squelch the hi current draw. Most likely in a number of places. It's all good.
Put on speakers and experiment with Keely's numbers. Put on coils and do Steven Mark tests. And mix the wave types and you have massive possibilities. Oh yeah. Last January I did cool things. This January is going to be a total blow out. Erh, blow up? I haven't decided yet. But I have a multiplicity of tests along the lines of Hutchison.
--giantkiller.
AHHH! I luv the smell of ionized air and exploded electrolytics in the morning!
Hard progress equals the best conquest!
--giantkiller.
hey gk and another hummmmm.,......
lol!!
what about 1 freq the collector freq say it is 10
so our controls should be a harmonic of 10 and there should be 2 freqs off set by a number like 7.5 100 and 92.5 for the 2 freqs or it might be 100 and 82.5
about the 3rd freq is it the feedback and is made on its own??!??!??!
hummmmm.....
is
I prefer thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump
or
wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump, wump.
Just depends on what you're trying to take down.
--giantkiller.
I think I'm in the wumping camp, preceded by removing anythong!
Acerzw... burn baby burn...
Electromagnetic rail gun. No metal, only mag pulse.
I believe Keely would be proud of this design. It respresents the control John Hutchison needs. What do you think John?
At this time in our understanding I am sure we can all agree that this is not only possible but very attainable. January '08 is looking good.
--giantkiller. As usual, always looking ahead.
@GK, you are the man!
I reckon the people in Africa can use this to dig their wells, and then place the GK4 at the bottom to power the pump.... ::)
'Always looking ahead' GK? Perhaps to an alien invasion? Or is it the MIB?
At last the real design for the BFG2000.... :P
GK I'll take one, just make sure I am in front of Wallmart...
Acerzw, practising in DOOM 3 until mine arrives... 8)
Oh and I really want the mini-version that you can keep in your shirt pocket for emergencies that looks like a pen...
Don't laugh. It'll probably work.
Anybody remember LAWS rockets?
Don't stand behind or infront of one unless you want the meat blown off your bones.
@BEP
I suspect it will work.
You might not think so, but I was being completely serious! (Mine is a different world to yours)
Well except for the part about practising in DOOM 3, I really don't think I'll need any practice...
Acerzw
Hello,
There are some very talented and knowledgeable people here. I hope to someday contribute in some way.
Could someone kindly comment on my reasoning for a beginning tpu design to experiment with, and some of my questions?
From the videos and discussion of sm it seems that constructing as close as possible to what we see is paramount. From the hours and over 300 tpu?s built, what we see is optimal and variance will give less or no satisfactory results. Tpu?s are probably are all about resonance and tuning applied from sm?s understanding of Tesla?s work In the Borderland?s videos particularly the one about longitudinal electricity. In the last 10 minutes they go through a tuning sequence and locate what they call frequency A and then frequency B and state that frequency b is the longitudinal frequency. We have an upper and lower coil complex containing a core loop and windings around each loop. Could it be that the upper coil core is tuned to the resonant frequency B of the lower coil core as it?s A frequency? The upper coil looks like it has the same diameter and circumference of the lower but has a smaller cross section. Could the tuning of the upper core loop to resonate at the B frequency of the lower be done with less windings to keep the circumference equal? In the other Borderlands video they state that transmitting and receiving coils are wound one opposite to each other. The material of the core from the video of the dissected tpu material looks silvery or white. If you think as these upper and lower coil configurations as operating as circular Tesla coils in resonance with the upper resonating at and getting strength from lowers longitudinal energy and the windings of the upper operating in reverse to produce power at the upper Tesla coil complex primary winding, wouldn?t the core loop be of a ferrous material? In the videos the surface black tpu coating deforms around what looks like a winding that is continuous around the entire tpu. Would this winding which contains both upper and lower coil complexes provide a means for feedback of the upper coil loop?s transverse wave energy back to the lower coil complex? Sm states that the tpu gets it?s power from the earth. So tuning the lower coil core to perhaps the B frequency of the earth or some function of the earth?s em wavelength would be in order for resonance there. I think this was mentioned in some way in the Naudin links somewhere here. Do the two large capacitators in the center of the ring perform a similar function as the capacitator on the coil in an automobile ignition system? Otto discovered that the deflection coils can produce sine waves. Do you think sm uses those to provide perfect control sinewaves from the control oscillator circuits which in them selves do not? Just a few thoughts here to get started. Thanks for your time,
Adam
@GK, Ist and bolt
I was not aware that the TPU had demonstrated problems when operated for extended periods of time (longer than the demo videos) due to degradation of the coil material caused by the stresses of the internal field interactions, at a molecular level. Were you aware of this? If so how do you plan on countering these issues?
In a compilation of SM's and witnesses statements regarding the TPU's operation, as recently reorganised and posted by duff, it says "The TPU units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point."
This and other quotes and Mannix's new information about SM trying to cool a TPU in the bath, raise serious issues regarding the TPU's reliability and safety. It is possible these issues can be overcome, I suspect, but they appear to make a complicated job a hell of a lot more complicated...
It is clear that the investment SM was seeking for further development was to be used, not just to take the TPU into production, but in an attempt to solve potentially fundamental problems which would prevent its mass production, which he must have been acutely aware of, but which very few others appear to have realised at the time.
See my posts, links below, on the 'General Discussion' threads explaining these issues:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg53195.html#msg53195
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg53201.html#msg53201
I was somewhat disheartened to write all that, some of it is my extrapolation, however I think the issues are important. I would however say that I am confident if they can be overcome it will be by someone on this forum...
Your comments on these issues? Is it just me being pessimistic? (In a way I hope so...eek)
Acerzw
ha!
all can be worked out ;)
but we first need to make it work b4 we can fix it lol!!
at this point i dont see a working ring public so to go any further with other problems is a wate time
we need the ring working public first
ist
Adam i answered inbetween your questions below,
Could it be that the upper coil core is tuned to the resonant frequency B of the lower coil core as it?s A frequency? Yes very possible
The upper coil looks like it has the same diameter and circumference of the lower but has a smaller cross section. Could the tuning of the upper core loop to resonate at the B frequency of the lower be done with less windings to keep the circumference equal?
Yes increase the capacitor size although this looks unlikely. In the large TPU both caps appear to be the same size.
If you think as these upper and lower coil configurations as operating as circular Tesla coils in resonance with the upper resonating at and getting strength from lowers longitudinal energy and the windings of the upper operating in reverse to produce power at the upper Tesla coil complex primary winding, wouldn?t the core loop be of a ferrous material?
No i dont believe these are anything like Tesla coils and SM already stated no ferrous cores of any type.
In the videos the surface black tpu coating deforms around what looks like a winding that is continuous around the entire tpu.
True and i suspect due to the construction of the the cut section either SM was a model aircraft builder or someone who made that tpu body was making typical aircraft construction. The covering is most likely to be a plastic film called SolarFilm you can google this.
Would this winding which contains both upper and lower coil complexes provide a means for feedback of the upper coil loop?s transverse wave energy back to the lower coil complex?
This is the voltage output coil, some portions of it will be used for feedback, control unit power supply and output power.
Sm states that the tpu gets it?s power from the earth. So tuning the lower coil core to perhaps the B frequency of the earth or some function of the earth?s em wavelength would be in order for resonance there. Quite possibly yes.
I think this was mentioned in some way in the Naudin links somewhere here. Do the two large capacitators in the center of the ring perform a similar function as the capacitator on the coil in an automobile ignition system? No those caps were used for regular DC smoothing caps prior to dumping the output in to inverter SMPSU but they are not required for resistive loads ie light bulbs.
Otto discovered that the deflection coils can produce sine waves. Do you think sm uses those to provide perfect control sinewaves from the control oscillator circuits which in them selves do not? Just a few thoughts here to get started.
I doubt there ever was perfect control only SOAR.
force feeding ;D
why 3 freqs?!?!?!?!?
thats why
in the operatinal tpu only 2 freqs ;D third is made on its own and injected in or mixed in our balum and it is sent back through with the 2 freqs :) that is our power
am i wrong
ist
Quote from: acerzw on October 05, 2007, 07:35:47 PM
@GK, you are the man!
I reckon the people in Africa can use this to dig their wells, and then place the GK4 at the bottom to power the pump.... ::)
'Always looking ahead' GK? Perhaps to an alien invasion? Or is it the MIB?
At last the real design for the BFG2000.... :P
GK I'll take one, just make sure I am in front of Wallmart...
Acerzw, practising in DOOM 3 until mine arrives... 8)
Oh and I really want the mini-version that you can keep in your shirt pocket for emergencies that looks like a pen...
In case you missed this one:
I tested a 2500 node network with Doom][ and came up with this little beauty.
I got your BFG! http://www.denver.net/~paul/phyzx.htm#Doomrod (http://www.denver.net/~paul/phyzx.htm#Doomrod)
--giantkiller. Any age, any rage...
Quote from: innovation_station on October 07, 2007, 09:00:54 AM
force feeding ;D
why 3 freqs?!?!?!?!?
thats why
in the operatinal tpu only 2 freqs ;D third is made on its own and injected in or mixed in our balum and it is sent back through with the 2 freqs :) that is our power
am i wrong
ist
you are right, with two frequency's, the field would only bounce back and forth.
with three cutting edge waveforms we can create the nessisairy "true" rotation.
M.
@GK
Yes I was aware of your Doom Rod, very cool! :)
However in a real fight, your Mag-Rail design is my choice, much more like a real BFG2000!
Trying to defend yourself against a real demonic entity by hitting them repeated over the head with a bit of electronically augmented PVC tubing would be a tad suicidal IMHO! :P
Acerzw
@GK
I'm starting to like your idea on the rod thingy.....
Being what I am I think I'll have to use LMR1200 to connect the one I want to build :) ;) :D ;D
Full moon?
NOT AFTER I PULL THE TRIGGER
:o
Quote from: BEP on October 08, 2007, 11:49:58 PM
@GK
I'm starting to like your idea on the rod thingy.....
Being what I am I think I'll have to use LMR1200 to connect the one I want to build :) ;) :D ;D
Full moon? NOT AFTER I PULL THE TRIGGER
:o
WMD... Testing will tough.
-giantkiller.
Attention all viewers!
You can identify the bench.
I was able to get 1 channel of the class 'A' up and running. I connected the next stage of the totem pole fets.
I drove a 4 ohm speaker. I hear tones and it runs cool! Reread that last statement...
I measured the modified turbo coil segments and they read 5.7 ohm. Get the picture?
I can raise the gain from 7.5 currently. Get the picture?
I got to go to work now. Not a good picture!
I will test the other 2 channels after work.
I will build the other 2 fet stages.
I am psyched and work, the day job, is in the way. Bleh....
YeeeeeHa! There is definately gonna be trouble from this area!
--giantkiller. I'm in a big damn hurry. More dilithium, Scotty!
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
That second pic looks like the results of 'Shoot through current' and a little crow-barring. Those things really reek when you cook them!. I prefer exploding huge eletrolytics instead. It makes my wife think I'm accomplishing something.
Same problem with work here - ARRGGGHHHH!!!
Mine is closed loop now on my bench but I need better controls. Its been running since about 7PM yesterday (with re-chargable batteries so don't pop a cold one yet). it charged them at first. When I woke up they were showing drain. So I made some coil position adjustments and the batteries are charging again. By then I was 15 minutes late for work and had to leave it.
When I get home either my house will be a smoldering ruin or the waveforms will be flat. DAMM having to pay bills! :'(
You'll notice the red control panel.
That is the Keely sound chord generator.
Things are going to get very way cool here.
The first test before was 3 frequencies with 1 speaker @ 750 watts.
The test I had setup with IS was then he used 3 speakers.
We had one thing in common:
We used our houses as the resonant chamber.
Now just how cool is that kinda talk? Total geekdom. I know? Let's crank up the house! Yippeee!
If I was married I would have ended up in the doghouse. No. Literally. Wife exclaims 'Yo mister! Where the hell is the house?' My perverbial retorte: 'Honey? I can explain? Uh-oh'. I just knew that smoking hole in the ground would give me away. That patch of fur over there in the corner of the yard was the dog. I guess that explains how I got his house.
Total madness at work.
Don't they know what I do?
Don't they know who I am?
They give me mundane tasks yet I set out to conquer the world in my spare time. Ho-humm....
--giantkiller. This was 3 weeks of gruel. Now I eat steak.
Hi GiantKiller
SBaGen -- Binaural Beat Brain Wave Experimenter's Lab
I think this might be right up you street, so to speak! Check it out, it might be of use to you.
the website is http://uazu.net/sbagen/#intro (http://uazu.net/sbagen/#intro)
QuoteWelcome to the world of Binaural Beats!
The theory behind binaural beats is that if you apply slightly different frequency sine waves to each ear, a beating affect is created in the brain itself, due to the brain's internal wiring. If, in the presence of these tones, you relax and let your mind go, your mind will naturally synchronize with the beat frequency. In this way it is possible to tune the frequency of your brain waves to particular frequencies that you have selected, using of the four bands: Delta: deep sleep, Theta: dreaming and intuitive stuff, Alpha: awake, focussed inside, and Beta: awake, focussed outside.
It is also possible to produce mixtures of brain waves of different frequencies by mixing binaural tones, and in this way, with practice and experimentation, it is reportedly possible to achieve rather unusual states, such as out-of-body stuff, and more. See the books by Ken Eagle Feather, and the Monroe Institute site for more details. The Monroe Institute have apparently put 40 years of research into these techniques.
I have had this little program on my computer for so long I have no idea how I came about it. Its very funky though!
Its free software and comes with an 'exciter' sentence half way down the page "USE AND EXPERIMENT WITH THIS UTILITY AT YOUR OWN RISK!"
I would love to know what it sounds like at 750 watts in a house sized resonant chamber!
If its no good for the TPU it might pacify the neighbours ;D
Peace :D
Darren
Quote from: bourne on October 10, 2007, 07:04:41 PM
Hi GiantKiller
SBaGen -- Binaural Beat Brain Wave Experimenter's Lab
I think this might be right up you street, so to speak! Check it out, it might be of use to you.
the website is http://uazu.net/sbagen/#intro (http://uazu.net/sbagen/#intro)
QuoteWelcome to the world of Binaural Beats!
The theory behind binaural beats is that if you apply slightly different frequency sine waves to each ear, a beating affect is created in the brain itself, due to the brain's internal wiring. If, in the presence of these tones, you relax and let your mind go, your mind will naturally synchronize with the beat frequency. In this way it is possible to tune the frequency of your brain waves to particular frequencies that you have selected, using of the four bands: Delta: deep sleep, Theta: dreaming and intuitive stuff, Alpha: awake, focussed inside, and Beta: awake, focussed outside.
It is also possible to produce mixtures of brain waves of different frequencies by mixing binaural tones, and in this way, with practice and experimentation, it is reportedly possible to achieve rather unusual states, such as out-of-body stuff, and more. See the books by Ken Eagle Feather, and the Monroe Institute site for more details. The Monroe Institute have apparently put 40 years of research into these techniques.
I have had this little program on my computer for so long I have no idea how I came about it. Its very funky though!
Its free software and comes with an 'exciter' sentence half way down the page "USE AND EXPERIMENT WITH THIS UTILITY AT YOUR OWN RISK!"
I would love to know what it sounds like at 750 watts in a house sized resonant chamber!
If its no good for the TPU it might pacify the neighbours ;D
Peace :D
Darren
Well at 6pm mountain time all my neighbors are asleep, there are abandoned cars misparked in front of my house, stray animals lay dead in the street, the Good humor man doesn't think the truck full of melted ice cream is funny, my ex called, she thinks we are still married, my dogs read sign language, fluently and beer tastes like Cognac. Besides all that, my left hemisphere is in Chicago, my right hemisphere is in Hawaii, and my ass is up the creek with out the paddle. Am I supposed to be happy or something? :D
Driving the TPU with white noise is the same as a low power stun gun. :D
The noise is the same as the output from from air ionizer. Must be why it all works.
I will use this, thanks. I love toys.
--giantkiller. You knew that was coming.
@GK
That does sound rather cool, I think you would make a cool neighbor as long as sleep and siesmic stability were not a requirement!
Since you and Ist have read/seen 'The Secret' and after the above description of your 'reality' maybe I can add some of my craziness into the mix, see:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3454.msg53958.html#msg53958
Well, somebody had to do it! Haven't worked out how to make free Dylithium, but may have explained the source of unexpected Warp Core Failure!
Sorry no extra Dylithium here, used my last batch all up producing the above... Still the next delivery should arrive soon...
Acerzw, are we here yet ;)
Quote from: acerzw on October 11, 2007, 12:23:14 AM
@GK
That does sound rather cool, I think you would make a cool neighbor as long as sleep and siesmic stability were not a requirement!
Since you and Ist have read/seen 'The Secret' and after the above description of your 'reality' maybe I can add some of my craziness into the mix, see:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3454.msg53958.html#msg53958
Well, somebody had to do it! Haven't worked out how to make free Dylithium, but may have explained the source of unexpected Warp Core Failure!
Sorry no extra Dylithium here, used my last batch all up producing the above... Still the next delivery should arrive soon...
Acerzw, are we here yet ;)
In the immortal words of Jack Canfield: 'How bad do you want it?'
Obviously there are only a few of us...
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
@GK, quite clearly you understand.. critical mass has not yet been reached, but you have fun on your side...
oh and thanks to tao for jogging me into making the link between my hobby and OU reproducability!
Acerzw 8)
We can measure the characteristics of the longitudinal electric wave with commercially available instruments and this is described in detail in appendix 1. We can summarize these findings as follows:
- The longitudinal electric wave is sinus shaped, i.e. its electric field density in the longitudinal direction is sinus shaped.
- It's a standing wave, i.e. its nodes and antinodes don't change positions.
- It's a pure electric wave and it contains only the electric field (E-component).
- The longitudinal electric wave propagates through thick metal plates (and most matter) without measurable loss. It propagates through Faraday's cage.
- The longitudinal electric wave is very sensitive to electric fields and will repel from a negative field and be attracted by a positive field.
- The wavelength is proportional to the frequency.
- The wavelength is very dependant of the matter in which it propagates, i.e. the phase velocity is very different in copper, in ground (such as rock) and in air.
- The longitudinal electric waves in the 24 hours grid are coherent. All waves have the same phase (zero or 180 degrees phase), they are standing waves of even overtones.
- The longitudinal electric waves in the 8 hours grid are coherent. All waves have the same phase (zero or 180 degrees phase), they are standing waves of even overtones. The 8 hours grid is 100 % synchronized to the 24 hours grid (based on a 24 hours period).
It's assumed that the longitudinal electric wave consists of slowly propagating electrons. It probably also consists of negative ions that are collected from the space in which it propagates.
We can summarize that heat and light represents disorder. The longitudinal electric waves are meticulously organized down to the smallest detail. It's a COHERENT SYSTEM of energy that encompasses the surface of the globe.
Because the longitudinal electric waves are coherent, they will easily create resonance. Since they have a large depth of penetration they will penetrate almost all matter and create resonance far inside that matter.
So...
Slow sine waves exhibiting standing waves made up of a harmonic component.
The big speaker test shows this. I will be reproducing this test again with the frequencies that Keely and Jaros described.
I want to watch paint peel using cold energy.
Tesla stressed sine waves for the power grid.
--giantkiller.
BULLSEYE
I like your scalar ideas GK but least not forget the transmission has been proven by bench experiments to be 1.5 times faster then the speed of light! Maybe more given the right circumstances. As bearden says its a steady state wave of extremely fast transposition. If the wave is nudged it will correct through the entire length at 1.5 times the speed of light. The channels are always there trillions of them they just need to be opened and tapped.
Boreland tech showed this too many years ago. Likewise a scalar tx rx has been proven to be at least 300% efficient. The transfer of energy is phase locked and tunneled via a complex helix tunnel vortex. This energy is somewhat different to the earths magnet field energy and could well be Energy from the Vacuum. Its wraps up many devices that "sort" of work like Bedinni and Jo Newman engines etc which both said the trick is to create the potential without destroying the dipole and allow normal current to flow as in Bearden talk. One thing that is clear is not required to generate huge high voltages to make scalar waves. The trick is to keep the E and the M separated. So heavy inducatance is bad as this creates EMF so no iron cores. No big coils unless its constructed to cancel out inductance and no capacitance! Wow not much left to use LOL
BTW large voltages are NOT required its not necessary to make tesla coils there are a number of bench experiments that show it will work fine down to 2 volts. Knowing this means you should keep the experimentation power levels really low. If you carry on banging coils with 200+ volts at 2 amps then you are almost certain to be producing uncontrollable scalar waves that will probably give you a brain tumor. In my view extremely short intense pulses are not required only the right sine frequncy. Well you might say well i only see an effect with pulses and not sine. Why do you think this is? The sine has the same effect except now its on a non observable plane. Only the E field is moving. The electrons are still moving but now without squares or pulses which produce harmonics which produce side effects which CAN be measured because you just collapsed the pure state into an EM crap pile that you can see and measure!!
So when you see an observable state direct locally you no longer have a scaler wave. This is why SM said you have to know where to find the circuit potential and its NOT with a scope or volt meter. You can only see the finished product of the scalar wave and any attempt to convert it to an observable measure state kills it. Thus you can measure and see the FINAL power output of a tpu but unlikely to see the measured effect on each coil because to do this kills it. Bedinni mentions this often that even leaving a volt meter connected to a battery severely depletes the RE and the RE can only be calculated as a battery can be charged in X hours of X capacity but you can not properly measure the power of the RE only the final effect of having a fully charged battery in front of you.
So can this all really be applied to the TPU? maybe yes. When the tpu was shorted out the spark was certainly not that of a normal supply voltage but something more like static/RF and i mean VHF RF like least 150 megs. I no it isn't but certainly looked like it so we are not dealing with a regular supply voltage.The 5k is not enough to porduce this effect either. You short out 800 volts around 1 amp with a screwdriver i tell you it doenst just fizz it goes 'king BANG!!
SM said we have to find the circuit potential so this suggest its not in the usual places its in the RE collectible places. He said the collector only consists of 3 coils of three of them with 3 controls. The severe lack of windings is not akin to a normal transformer then. Why? Because many winding create inductance and inductance kills scalar and so do caps. So the collectors may very well be open and cut to length. You put the frequencies in which you can NOT measure scaler out only the final effect. The controls are perpendicular to the collectors because we make a E wave scaler on the control which is already a spiral tunnel vortex. The sine waves produce the pure scaler which again you can not measure until the tpu is built so testing one coil at a time will see nothing.
Checks in the mail. :)
--giantkiller.
Thought I would repost this here:
The vortex or helix forms naturally in the direction pertaining to the north/south hemi. It is there fore just a simple matter to create a vertical potential difference / vacuum. All that has to be done is pull the plug and the direction will find itself.
Lets go one step further shall we?
If you create a spinning field of great intensity in a counterclockwise direction you could achieve a lightning strike. If you cause a clockwise rotation you could lift or alter matter. Duh. Can you say 'Hutchison effect'. He uses two spherical fields and one directional impact field at very high frequencies. He claims no control but the authorities have seen through this guise and repeatedly take his equipment. That does not stop him. He does it again, and again, again. So what is our congestion / contention?
Keely vibrated plasma to effect matter. Square waves shock matter into magno-electrical force. Telsa vibrated physical matter, magnetic fields, and the ionosphere to effect energy transmission.
We bang on keyboards hoping to fly away with the answer.
--giantkiller. I don't know it all but I am having fun finding out.
Quote from: acerzw on September 22, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
Hey GK,
Dude if that TPU sound was on an album it would sell out, you can put me down for the first signed copy! I seriously want to try meditating to that sound, I think it is quite powerful and probably will find many other uses, apart from the levitation of stone blocks by monks ::)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkpacota.com%2Fsmile%2FN_ROLL_2.GIF&hash=0095944f50961a0230fba454b6e8c1e14fa660cf)
Like IS and I have done is stand in the standing waves and move them across our bodies. Way Kewl!
With the three speakers the waves and harmonics actually circulate around like a rotating sphere at controllable speeds. Now imagine what you would feel if you rotate with the field but your eyes see rotation of the physical environment. You seperate the biaural from the binocular senses. Whoa! Get unlocked from the noisy reality we live in. Ya might puke.
--giantkiller. Let the experiments begin...
@GK
See you have a fan base already, so where is the mp3? I have a couple of old tower blocks I need to destroy? Pleeeezeeeee....
Acerzw
Quote from: acerzw on October 12, 2007, 01:29:17 PM
@GK
See you have a fan base already, so where is the mp3? I have a couple of old tower blocks I need to destroy? Pleeeezeeeee....
Acerzw
Ok, ok. I have two choices. I will strip off the demo or rerun it. I have someone coming over who wants a live demo. Wooohahaha. She will be shaking and I don't mean dancin'. Oh yeah! I hear my standing wave is a real knockout routine. It's the jackhammer in your hangovers.
--giantkiller.
@GK
Got a feeling the Egyptians might have cut the original score though.... listen to the MP3 on this page...
http://www.sacredwaves.com/egyptian_blue_bowls.htm
see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3461.msg54266.html#msg54266
I'm gonna research this Egyptian stuff some more...
Acerzw
im sure this is obvious and I just missed it, but do you have your three frequency sources phase locked?
hello gk bolt and all
im going to buy a 4 channel car amp a real cheep one ;D
@bold could you guide me in the mods? to the hacked car amp
i will try this first while i source and order the freq gennys and get my tube amps and all the parts togather i want to build "THE RACK" but till then i will see if i can wreck a new car amp ;D
is
well i could not find a 4 ch amp in town so i bought 2 2 ch amps and they are bridigable to a 2ohm load and i think if i took then apart they will be small enough to fit inside my 15" ring
@GK, Ist and anyone who doesn't mind listening to my insane babbling... :)
Tonight I 'quietly' join the builders.... I have been collecting what I need for some time, while it has always been my intention to do so, two posts in particular have inspired me...
Firstly GK's very comprehensive list of longitudinal wave properties:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg54038.html#msg54038
Secondly the most excellent reply by bolt highlighting some experimental limits:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg54084.html#msg54084
This basically shows, complicated scopes and meters are definitely not required, since they produce little useful output and in some cases inhibit the very effect they try to measure... in fact IMHO they are more likely serving to mislead... plus these devices were not available to Tesla, he used mainly his mind to model waveforms (well everything) etc.. so why should we need them... we might not be Tesla's but we have a good idea of what might be happening, we should try and see things from a point of view more like his...
I am consciously adopting a different strategy from many others, the more angles we approach this problem from at the more likely one of us will stumble on something good... I will approach this in a Hutchison like manner for fun and enjoyment... but organised...
My strategy is therefore going to be, that I am not going to try to produce OU at all, first I am going to try to produce weight loss in a physical object... their appears to be ample evidence, even among mainstream science, that this can be done with a single coil of wire. This removes the distraction and unnecessary complication of control coils when in the early stages of learning the ropes... keeping it simple, getting one coil working first...
Since weight loss is easily verified with a physical, non-electronic, device which removes the possibility of any type of wave screwing up electronic measuring equipment and producing false readings... it also removes human error in terms of scoping or measuring across the wrong part of the device, which seems the single most prevalent cause of false OU claims ... I will go with my intuition on what is happening, for I believe our bodies are the best measuring instruments of all...
Since we cannot measure longitudinal waves directly, measuring their effects on a known attribute of a physical object, such as weight, will prove they are present and having an effect, without disrupting the mechanism generating them, which as bolt says, is another common trap of OU device replication...
A weight loss coil should be simpler to get working, than an OU coil, as I do not believe the result depends on the waves in the coil being in perfect resonance with coil material... which this is only required when OU is the target... as the required effect is not being induced directly in the coil but into an external object... no feedback mechanism into the coil is required as with OU production..
I will base my coil design on wave and wave propagation theory and some very simple coil geometry maths... I will then adjust the parameters: coil radius/circumference and wavelength according to a logical and well documented plan until the desired effect is achieved... I have a number of interesting ideas regarding how the longitudinal fields interact to produce the effect...
Once the longitudinal waves are working the coil can be adjusted, controls added etc.. with the goal of working on OU production in the hope that the main coil is at least partially configured right... the coil optimisation stage will initially be in regards to resonance with the coil material etc.. I will then move onto multiple coil configurations with control coils... but in a very graduated manner...
I can understand the audio tests being done and think they are great fun (I really want that MP3 of your setup GK), however my understanding of the field dynamics leads me to think that they will be of very limited use... The 3 speaker setup with 3 frequencies is useful when testing Keelys idea's (and the Tibetan pipe idea) but I think it will not actually reveal much useful information when applied to a TPU... 3 speakers could be said to model the 3 control coils that many believe are used... however this model does not contain the most important component, the main coil, which is where the OU effect is taking place. So I think you can learn a lot about basic wave interaction but in a TPU the 3 control coils do not act like speakers, they induce the main coil which acts like a transmitter and this produces the longitudinal wave. The main coil in my understanding appears not to be obviously not split into 3 sections though the coils may wrap it so, but it must I assume produce a single continuous wavefront inside the toroid with no boundary edges, in the horizontal plane? Unlike the wave fronts from three separate speakers... the TPU wavefront is as if it was produced from a singular circular speaker... hence the result when the single incoming wavefront meets itself, from opposing sides of the coil, in the center will result in entirely different wave interference dynamics, even more so after the wavefronts have crossed... the 3 speaker model will create 3 'lobes' in the horizontal wave form... as if three stones, creating 3 separate wavefronts, had been dropped at the circumference of a circular pool of water, rather than the single, wavefront produced by a hoop dropped, with a slightly smaller circumference than the pool, being dropped in it... these imperfections in the model will be propagated in the horizontal plane inside the toroid producing 3 'ribs' which will expand outward and further interfering with each other and may be re-reflected resulting in a totally unrealistic waveform... when comparing the audio one to the real longitudinal one...
In summary the audio TPU waveform model will be so grossly distorted as to be mostly useless... particularly when the propagation characteristics of audio and real longitudinal waves are taken into account, some conversion calculation for the frequencies would need to be applied... Please do shoot me down if I have made a false assumption here which seems entirely possible and more than likely to me...
Please do not take this as an attack on the use of audio, I'm not trying to be pessimistic about it, it's just a personal observation on why I will not be using it, it may well produce fruit in other ways...
I might however use a speaker with an induction loop to try and monitor what is going on in the coil from time to time...
There is also in my view no need to use audio at first for safety reasons as all my research leads me to believe that, as bolt stated, low voltage will produce longitudinal waves where as large voltages will produce harmful scalar waves...
I admire Ist's simple coil fabrication style and will mostly be building that way... simple coils, minimal electronics...
I will document all my work with my primitive coil rig, using no conventional test equipment, and hope that if I post any useful results, ever, they will be easily reproducible due to my simple setup... I do however have full video and audio capture capability... :D
Acerzw... looking for a bang without the boom... :P
for 'primitive equipment' read 'stone age', yep, no soldering iron! but, hey, alI is not lost! I do have some pretty tape... oh and as a good omen an SM style glass table!
@ gk how did you come up with the 3 knobed freq gen i would like 1 of those for my tube rack unit could you post the links to where you got or how you built that board
many thanks
ist
@GK & Ist
I just had a seriously scary idea... hence I have not even used my crayons to draw my first coil design yet!
See I think I might have just solved the Egyptian Tuning Fork puzzle...
Eek! It might, explain how the Egyptians cut their stones, moved them and then aligned them with such precision... OMG could they really could have had lasers!!! shit what do they put in the water around here 8)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3461.msg54408.html#msg54408
I have asked hans to give his verdict on my idea as he is the 'Master of Vibration' in this forum by my way of thinking,,,. he said he would post his comments when he has some time soon... (that was before the laser idea smacked into my skull at high velocity... so I don't think he saw that revision of the post.. boy is he going to be in for a shock!)
GK hate to break the news but, the Egyptians, its very probable, that they had the 'original' BFG2000! Except maybe it wasn't big... and that maybe is what the devices the statues have in they hands are... their divine right to rule, enforced with a class AAA laser pointer... and some nasty burns... just like Ezekiel said...
My coil is really going to suffer now, 'cos I just gotta knock up a cartoon of this idea to post over on that thread...
Acerzw...
@bolt
i took the amp apart here is the pic i have circled what i have found to be the input and output roll off caps but im only guessing could you confirm wich caps should be lifted to increase bandwith
thanks
ist
IS thats a bit too fancy to play with for tpu work. In anycase it will take many hours to scope through most of that circuit lifting anything that looks like a low pass filter and is not a simple case of lifting 2 caps although it can be on some really simple cheap amps. The first thing would be to measure what that amp can do off the shelf before it rolls off. Some are already spec for -1 db at 30kz.
Recent thoughts on the tpu has led me to believe the high frequencies are MUCH higher then first thought up to several megs to put the entire collectors into true LC rf type resonance and then control that with bursts. The 5Kz clock on the tpu is no freak. It used to be a standard clock for switch mode PSU because the ferrite cores begin to sing quite nice for good power transfer at this frequency. However, nowadays the clock is often 35kz plus so you cant hear it. If you really want to get a conventional view on this type of complexity then study MRI scanner stuff. The 3D magnetic masking uses several k hz to induce the magnets which are then bust with RF and the precise point to the hydrogen atoms to create the Lamour or otherwise snipped
"gyromagnetic ratio for hydrogen and n0 is the Lamour frequency. For hydrogen the Lamour frequency at 1 Tesla is 42.6 MHz. Thus at the low field of interest to this programme (approx. 0.01 T) the Lamour frequency is around 400 kHz. Simplistically it can be imagined that the magnetic moments have lined up with the field to give the body a net magnetisation, M0, parallel and proportional B0. The application of an RF field at the Lamour frequency perpendicular to B0 will cause the nuclei to become excited which in turn causes the net magnetisation vector to precess about B0. When the RF signal is removed the net magnetisation decays to its equilibrium alignment, emitting an RF signal at the Lamour frequency. This signal can be detected by a receive coil and used for NMR spectroscopy or MRI. The size of the signal increases with M0 and thus with B0, this is the reason that conventional MRI systems use a high magnetic field. This project aims to extract the maximum information from the small signal at low field rather than using expensive high field magnets to generate more signal.
To obtain an image from the NMR signal requires a method for extracting spatial information from the signal. This is achieved by a combination of techniques. First a field gradient is superimposed over B0 so that a 2D slice of the sample can be selected, i.e. only a slice of the sample sees a magnetic field to give a Lamour frequency that matches the coil and electronics. Then complex sequences of RF pulses and Fourier transforms are used to extract spatial information in the 2D slice. "
This may appear to be leaving the TPU in the dark but i believe its very relavent. If you want to make a controlled magnetic field you can only do that with precision audio/RF but it does NOT need to be done with complex logic switching.
GK class A amp should do well though even though this idea of mine is now about getting on for 3 weeks old and ideas change fast around here:) But as testing extends up through 500k+ then more complex RF sig gens will have to be built.
This still be worth using in the short term until such time that someone here can really identify some positive results for given frequncy bursts. Whatever the 5Kz is significant and appears universal throughout the tpu series BUT its only a magnetic carrier. The frequncy burst will be RF for sure which is what produces the RF type spark when the tpu was shorted out and NOT the 5kz.
Can we make scalers up here? Yes for sure the RF reduces the need for high voltages, spark gaps and is more refined way of doing things. I believe Bedini is fast moving away from revolving wheels to solid state devices. There is no need to make a mechanical rotation when it can be simulated. He just fires his coil and collects the RE into an open collector non capacitance, no current drawing arrangement. Still crude yes but potentially workable. Its a kind of a poor mans simple tpu yet the tpu is a highly tuned effective perfectly balanced design but can be a pig to get running sometimes as SM said even when you KNOW how it works it can still be a pain to oscillate in harmony the several internal frequencies.
Look when the first sparks transmitters Marconi etc sent messages across the Atlantic the sparks gaps were packed full of energy and harmonics as raw crude power but who cares? none did back then when your the first to use it on air but later it didn't take researchers very long to realize the systems could be tuned. Very quickly the spark gap and high voltage coils disappeared in favor of tuned tank tube amplifiers. This rules out pulses and high voltages although squares can be used in the early stags to preform a stable referenced signal they would never be used to produce clean RF having undergone sin low pass conversion long before the output stages. So do you want to cook on an open smoky wood fire for the spark gap high voltage pulse system or cook using a clean efficient tuned microwave oven?
But if you play with magnets be careful:)
Quote from: innovation_station on October 13, 2007, 10:06:32 PM
@bolt
i took the amp apart here is the pic i have circled what i have found to be the input and output roll off caps but im only guessing could you confirm wich caps should be lifted to increase bandwith
thanks
ist
@innovation_station
Looks like you don?t know enough about audio amplifiers. To replace a couple of caps is far not enough to increase the bandwidth of your amplifier. I just want to make you aware if you don?t want to waste your money for buying another amplifier if you break this one.
My advise, don?t do that. The caps that you highlighted have almost no effect on the bandwidth. Not that I am trying to teach anybody.
Kames.
Quote from: bolt on October 14, 2007, 02:33:52 AM
IS thats a bit too fancy to play with for tpu work. In anycase it will take many hours to scope through most of that circuit lifting anything that looks like a low pass filter and is not a simple case of lifting 2 caps although it can be on some really simple cheap amps. The first thing would be to measure what that amp can do off the shelf before it rolls off. Some are already spec for -1 db at 30kz.
i see
well thease were the simplest and the cheepest avibl to me i tend to think thease amps will work they have bilt in crossovers that can be switched off there is nothing fancy to thease amps they have short circuit and over heating pertect that is all that is why i circled those caps they are first input and last output caps wich should limit what we are ampflying :)
no?
oh there is a bass boost that also can be turned off with a switch
the freq responce is 20hz - 20khz @ -3db
outout is 50 watts rms x 2 channel @ 4 ohms THD = less than .09% @ rms settings
ist
@IS
I get the impression you know enough about amplifiers. If I were you I would leave them as-is and work with what they can do. For fun I would suggest you find a way to play with the phase relationship between channels and amplifiers. This can be done at their inputs. If you don't already know you could google 'phase shift networks'.
hi GK :)
how is the triple Heterodyning comming along?
did you already created the vortex?
5000/7/35000/7/245000
<5000 - 0 > 5000
7*
<35000 - 30000 > 5000
7*
<245000 - 240000> 5000
i am intrested in your results.
Marco.
im puting those amps back togather gonna return them ;)
found some other amps actually i went amp hunting
i found 2 car amps that are verry simple that i know will work
i got 3 diffrent vhf uhf and fm amps
i got a 12 car antenna boster amp
so i will play
and if still nothing will work i will go to plan b that is a valve microphone amp at the gutiar shop
ist
ok this is the simplest amp i could find it has only bass and treble controls and gain no cross overs or bass effects this one should be as esay to mod as lift 2 caps care to help bolt?
the freq responce of thease amps is 15hz - 30khz
there is no rms rateing it says 120w @ 2 ch @ 4 ohms total power 240watt
here is a pic of that amp taken all apart
ist
@IS,
Dude get the classification right. Gotta be class 'A'! You could have class A/B. Find out...
--giantkiller.
im just playing with crap till the real stuff gets here TUBES but i may just buy a tube amp tommorow to play with
hey gk
cant we just run the amps at a lower output to avoid distoration? we dont need near the output they are capable of to run the tpu i think i read some where that a 3 or 4 watt amp will work just fine on low gain i would think they wont distort near as much
ist
Quote from: -[marco]- on October 14, 2007, 04:35:59 PM
hi GK :)
how is the triple Heterodyning comming along?
did you already created the vortex?
5000/7/35000/7/245000
<5000 - 0 > 5000
7*
<35000 - 30000 > 5000
7*
<245000 - 240000> 5000
i am intrested in your results.
Marco.
The bias fets of the ad826, the low side drivers get hot, when I put in signals. I don't want a meltdown. Otherwise the setup sings more than the blues. I will push the freqs you posted.
The demo I talked about earlier for the friend went well. The standing waves are ever present and can be altered to appear at any distance via the heterodyning controls.
@IS, the xr2206 kits are from:
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=20685&productId=20685 (http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=20685&productId=20685)
--giantkiller. Just cruisin'
Quote from: innovation_station on October 14, 2007, 07:46:08 PM
im just playing with crap till the real stuff gets here TUBES but i may just buy a tube amp tommorow to play with
hey gk
cant we just run the amps at a lower output to avoid distoration? we dont need near the output they are capable of to run the tpu i think i read some where that a 3 or 4 watt amp will work just fine on low gain i would think they wont distort near as much
ist
It has been stated multiple times: open ended coils of 2 -5 volts sine. Whoa!
Basically it comes down to impedance matching and buffering.
whats the problem GK? cant ya carry a tune in a bucket? heh heh, that aint no Marshall or Peavey,,
I kinda had to bro, sorry.. Just Kidding ;)
Quote from: giantkiller on October 14, 2007, 07:32:56 PM
@IS,
Dude get the classification right. Gotta be class 'A'! You could have class A/B. Find out...
--giantkiller.
hi
i do not think it has to be class A.
if the drive is a pulsed DC it could also work with the other classes.
M.
IS your new amps have a block IC bolted to the heatsink its NOT a mosfet and so no chance of lifting it much over 20k. My original concept was to use the XR2206 gens as they give very good sine from 0.1Hz to over 1 meg then use a class A mosfet amp which is a MUST for very low distortion and the IRF range of mosfets are quite capable of going to 20 megs in an RF circuit should therefore cover the 1 meg of the XR's very easily if the layout is good. However we still dont know for sure what frequencies are required to make the tpu work but there is now compelling evidence that we need to go up several megs on at least one of the frequencies which means of course need to build RF oscillators and amps too to cover the top end. Ideally need 3 very expensive lab sig gens that will cover something like 1Hz to 100 megs then we can really see what frequencies will produce any special effects we are all seeking.
IMO its not pulses thats been tried for over a year now and nothing has happened. Pulses creates harmonics all over the place which produce a mush of noise as well as very dangerous EMP, shocks and other nasties that are not seen in any real tpu. It doesn't make any sense to me technically either to use this method. Therefore the only alternative is pure sine minimal harmonics and purity as SM very clearly points out in his notes. ie the strike of the right chord. SM describes the tpu as a type of radio and tubes work better at making low harmonics and very wide bandwidth. I used EL84 tubes on 10 meters before and they work just but no problem down at 40 and 80 meters. However tubes still will NOT help we don't know to build a self resonating RF circuit or sine waves in the lower frequency range so rushing out and buying tubes in my opinion still does not solve anything. So without access to lab stuff it makes building and testing a tpu very difficult. Once we go to RF most scopes die and then you need RF frequncy counters, sniffers and RF spectrum analyzers etc which cost a fortune. Despite the fact the final circuit is no doubt very small and simple its pi$$ing in the dark to have no idea what frequencies will produce the required effects otherwise no idea to build VCO PLL Xtal controlled AFC AGC Cmos dividers or what the heck ends up on the little 1 inch bit of pcb in the final version.
So the only way is for someone here to have access to this stuff at work or a uni lab and can state they seen very interesting effects at XYZ frequencies that relate to a ratio that makes sense so that the low cost builders have a chance to replicate the effects so IS you can see that buying a couple of car amps of the market is light years away from making a tpu and further still if you don't even have the 3 XR sig gens available.
Why is everybody making it so F*cking difficult?
@Bolt yes pulsed DC square waves do what you say, but pulsed DC with a slope doesn't.
You can see this by simply rectifying a AC signal and fed it into a transformer.
Then it is a pulsed DC signal but not a square one.
It's no big deal really.
Also the people who are thinking this can only be done with $$$$ expensive lab equipment are wrong.
The circuit contains a hand full of parts and that's it.
It has to be as simple as that, beyond our imagination.
Some people are drowning in their own thoughts.
Just take a step back and watch the fog fade away and you will see the picture more clearly.
Pherhaps the most important thing here is THINK SIMPLE.
M.
By playing with the heterodyning I believe the thumping / vibration is a chord vibrato effect happening magnetically.
The setup I have been working on clarified this to me. I now have 3 ad826's on a board. These are dual opamps. The bottom half 3 will drive the coils. The top half 3 will drive the audio. I want to know whats inside.
The vinyl bucket softens the echoing while emitting a nice rich sound when at the vibrato frequencies. I now have a semi acoustic laser or just a vinyl speaker box. I can produce thumping or waves. Actually pretty cool. Nothing new if anyone has played with acoustics or audio generation. So I progress to the next step. Open source all the way.
I will get stages done to safely satisfy my curiosity. I am in no way engaging others to follow suite. The applications that have come out of this so far are mind boggling. So as I build the front end controls I am actually making sequential steps through the operation. Front to back. Just look at the immense amount of specifications that have unfolded. I have the controls in place to practice with these. I will eventually put the exploding pop can driver on the back end in triplicate.
I just had another fire. Later...
--giantkiller.
well the new amps i have were verry cheep so no loss i will find a use 4 them :)
so tube amps then im just about sick of ss i have ordered the 3 sig gennys im going to build gk controler board for my rack and also i will order the 3 fet amps too but i want tubes and a tube rack
@bolt are the unknowen freqs that important?
what i mean is can we find them later on so for a tube amp it must be capable of amping the high freq and the highest quoted freq was 245k but the harmonics of this frq will reach into the megs
so mannix bolt and marco
what kind of tube amp will work? i was going to buy a amp today from the gutair shop that is a push and pull amp for a mic a vocoal amp with no distortaion or reverb or any fancy shit
but i have a question about the amps can we use a verry good tube pre amp if so i found a real simple one here is the link
ist
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Tubes/12AX7_Preamp/
can anyone help to claifary the parts list for this amp on the link it is the amp gk has built i want to ordor the right chips and fets but there so many diffrent types of the same part
the schem is in the center of the page i would like to make a list of all the parts and but all the proper ones and then i will order enough to build 4 amps and a bunch of extra fets just because
thanks for any help
william
http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html
Quote from: -[marco]- on October 15, 2007, 01:53:43 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on October 14, 2007, 07:32:56 PM
@IS,
Dude get the classification right. Gotta be class 'A'! You could have class A/B. Find out...
--giantkiller.
hi
i do not think it has to be class A.
if the drive is a pulsed DC it could also work with the other classes.
M.
hey marco ;)
i have plans for those amps lol!! and i anit talking tpu here ;D
but that is l8r the TPU is now
ist
check out this perfect little tube amp ;) they have it in stock near me i might go get it but they are not cheep but verry simple class a tube amps so after i have one i may be able to build 2 more at a lower cost
here is the link to this amp http://www.victorlitz.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=6737
Ive got my old mans fender bassman head i think its a class a its from like 72 it has a few 12ax7 and a few other tubes the thing sounds awsome out of these old celestions ive got sitting here and handles low freq very easily. now if i can make 2 more of those heads out thin air im good.
GK i would be interested to know the built spec of you mosfet amps now you completed them. What is the bandwidth? Do they have any high frequency birdies? do they run up to 1 meg with XR's with ease? If not they may not be suitable to bother others replicating that circuit.
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Quote from: bolt on October 15, 2007, 02:19:29 PM
GK i would be interested to know the built spec of you mosfet amps now you completed them. What is the bandwidth? Do they have any high frequency birdies? do they run up to 1 meg with XR's with ease? If not they may not be suitable to bother others replicating that circuit.
Min max titles are missing.
Max. Operating Frequency 0.5 1 0.5 1 MHz C = 1000pF, R1 = 1k
Lowest Practical Frequency 0.01 0.01 Hz C = 50F, R1 = 2M
Frequency Accuracy +1 +4 +2 % of fo fo = 1/R1C
Temperature Stability
Frequency
+10 +50 +20 ppm/?C 0?C TA 70?C
R1 = R2 = 20k
Sine Wave Amplitude Stability2 4800 4800 ppm/?C
Supply Sensitivity 0.01 0.1 0.01 %/V VLOW = 10V, VHIGH = 20V,
R1 = R2 = 20k
Sweep Range 1000:1 2000:1 2000:1 fH = fL fH @ R1 = 1k
fL @ R1 = 2M
Sweep Linearity
10:1 Sweep 2 2 % fL = 1kHz, fH = 10kHz
1000:1 Sweep 8 8 % fL = 100Hz, fH = 100kHz
FM Distortion 0.1 0.1 % +10% Deviation
@Bolt,
You are absolutely right here. That is the dark side of open source. People are looking for a foothold to start somewhere.
And,
When heterodyning, any 3 frequencies can produce the low beat frequency (thump/wump) and of greater amplitude in the harmonic or standing wave position.
But we know this. We only match the frequencies to the diameter and turns of our coils.
@Marco,
At the flick of a switch I can change from sine to triangle or square. I adjust the gain of the triangle waves and clip the peaks to get the slope function.
Totally open operation. 8)
@all,
This next idea was bandied about but never posted and is pretty easy. Take a TPU and hook it up in the Solid state Tesla Coil / blocking osc circuit. Few parts, concise, pretty basic. Not too complex or beyond anybody here. Parts count seems to be right. Even the power requirements seem to be right on. You can even swipe it with a magnet! Shades of Bedini / Muller. Magnetic shearing creates great pulses. But alas, mechanical.
--giantkiller.
well i went and got the little guy tonight i will take it apart ;D
ist
So in summary you are happy with the XR and mosfet amps? The important part is do the mosfet amps cope well at 1 meg to cover the XR range and if they do it well then you have completed what you set out to achieve. I am not sure if you are quoting me the data specs for the XRs or the actual capability of a near DC to 1 meg sig gen with the mosfet that runs through the range without birdies.
Also a music test, do the amps sound great like the author says ? :)
The heterodyned harmonics are there in the bucket test. Very rich for the frequency response of the speakers. You can hear the vibrato at any set you can find and it is clear. I gave you the chip specs. The kit doesn't go that high because of the caps in it. I have already thought about that mod. I will be able to test the higher ranges against the coil itself. I am repairing the fire damage then will continue on.
--giantkiller.
@freaky amp fans...
http://eccentricgenius.ca/forsale.htm
:-\
Acerzw
gk
you still around bro?
do you feel old yet ? lol
congrats send my best wishes :)
william
so last night i hooked up my little tube amp to my tube freq genny and i hooked the output of the amp to my scope just to see what that amp can do well it was the first time i pluged the amp in it seams the amp works well
however i did notice some thing verry intresting in doing this
my freq genny was set to .1v and my amp was set to low input ok now when i turned up my amp on my scope what did i see?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
ist
this is what i saw the wave stays the same perfectly just bigger because it is amped but when i turn it up beond 3/4 my wave changes the negitive dips are clipped off and the posotive ones grow huge ;D i did this several times and yes this is true now it could be the amps design but i dont think so
i will make a video of this later on today ;D
come on guys i dont want to finish alone ............. ;D
so what happins when my amp is full blast?!?!?!?!?!?!
and im in a resonsant freq
lets just say there is no distortion at all butt there is somthing i put perfect sine in and i get spikie sine out and mutipuls of the same!!!!!!
ist
d TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
dd T
ddd T
dddd T
ddddd T
dddddd T
ddddddd T
dddddddd T
ddddddddd T
dddddddddd T
ddddddddddd T
now if this seams uninportant to some than think agin
because i missed it but did see it the first time around just never picked up on it ;D
not this time
lol!!!
the first time i saw this effect was when i had audiohenge up and running i turned 1 of my amps up really high to the max and i saw feedback i scratched my head thought why but left it there because almost at the same i saw my plant move and twich and that grabed my attention but we can see that the feedback becomes our power in my above post or you can refer to the feedback from the amp as our single "kick"
so now i have to waite for my freq gennys from jameco the are set to arive on tuesday then i can play with all diffrent freqs but just for fun until my gennyes get here i will hook up a computer or 2 ;)
and hey maybe i might fire up the coil 8) and see what comes out of it
ist
Maybe a good electro-accoustic-natural-shape-frequency-resonator (eansfr) @ http://www.rexresearch.com/grandics/grandics.htm
also a kind of assymetric field accelerator +dT tube amplifier
a resting lifter
.:DAKDUEMGUEDLIMK:.
Phitagoras
GK,
I'm unsure as to which TPU you are going to use in your next test.
If you could clear that up it would be appreciated.
Also if you could give us the following details plus anymore you think might be important.
1. Number of collectors.
2. Collector diameter:
3. Number of turns in collector:
4. The resonant frequency of collector:
5. Number of turns of control coil:
6. The resonant frequency of control coil:
7. The input impedance of control coil:
Thanks,
-Duff
@karl
Nice find, bet thats pissed off Thomas Trawoger, he sold out, looks like he got beat by about 4 years....
Acerzw
hey gk and all
gk you posted a perpetual magnet motor a wile ago .... in the LOTR thred i will fetch the link and post it here i kind of think that is how the finished tpu works hummm well kind of or some of it well just watch the video agin
ist
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1872.1200
@Is
Good link, nice machine video, just shows that guy built his machine 15 years ago, wow - just sitting on his bench, quietly defying the 'laws of physics', until web video came along!... also liked the simple 'twisted wire motor' circuit, missed that first time-around, anyone tried it? seems like a cool like experiment... might give it a go myself...
The can crushing/shooting coil video is way cool too... proves GK's rail gun idea... reminds me of the SM exploding TV too...
Still have all my stone age coil gear, but every time I think about building a coil, something holds me back, you guys are all good at electronics... and you will succeed soon, without my primitive efforts. I have no patience, just too fiddly trying to obtain all those special components and then putting together a circuit... very clever, admire you all for that... yet all my instincts are screaming at me that even a coil is too complex!!! Weird huh, but I have a hunch there are even simpler ways to produce decent amounts of power (not trawoger fan tickling power) - from a small pyramid device (non-compass orientation dependent, unlike trawoger) without any electronics (other than that required to collect it, perhaps a single coil, a cap and some diodes)... weird how all the old lost 'ancient' tech is resurfacing now... I strongly believe that by combining many of these lost ideas using some 'New-Age' reasoning such a device can be created... I am working on some very simple ideas now... and will post the full details if I find anything useful... just ideas but gotta try...
I firmly believe some ancient tech was mind numbingly simple, at least the powergen stuff, the devices that ran off it, well that's probably a whole other world beyond our imagination, to be discovered yet... Hall of Records, anyone? Makes you think its gotta happen soon, or did it already?
Do you reckon if we had the GPS coords of GK's bass base (lab) and looked it up on Live Maps or Google Earth we'd be looking at another Tunguska Event? :P Seriously hope our bionic friend has just taken a few days off to impress the ladyz with his 'Bucket-O-Vibes'...
Acerzw
@all
Since there is a shortage of any info regarding toroidy/donut shaped devices at the moment and this page has a couple of triangularish things on it I thought might add a reference to another one :o
Check this one out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3505.msg55646#msg55646
Acerzw ;D
<<< Now resuming normal toroidy/donut device information service >>>
@all,
Back from my hiatus.
I have repaired the fire damage and will try to locate why the 2nd channel only blows up. This time I don't want to blow up? Go figure...
I can continue with the other configs that have surfaced. There are a few very promising ones posted in the last week that have spurred hook ups for me.
So I am back on it during this week.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: duff on October 20, 2007, 04:46:28 PM
GK,
I'm unsure as to which TPU you are going to use in your next test.
If you could clear that up it would be appreciated.
Also if you could give us the following details plus anymore you think might be important.
1. Number of collectors.
2. Collector diameter:
3. Number of turns in collector:
4. The resonant frequency of collector:
5. Number of turns of control coil:
6. The resonant frequency of control coil:
7. The input impedance of control coil:
Thanks,
-Duff
I am going to use the modified turbo coil (the notched PVC model). Search that in the the LOTR thread.
Previously I used the GK4 model and I just swept through alot of 3 freq combinations till I got the Buzz mags to vibrate, then the clicking in the bones, the headaches then darlets with the stun gun. I have to do very short tests. I live next to a military radar site. Since I am now using ATV batteries my bigger tests will occur elsewhere. I am also moving to the other side of town to get to some bigger testing space. The house parallels an open space area. HeHeHe...
--giantkiller.
Fire damage repaired. Up and running again with Bucket -O- Vibes.
The class 'A' amplifiers are running way cool in temp.
I will connect the modified Turbo coil notched PVC next.
The coil segments ohmage equal the Bucket -O- Vibes speakers.
--giantkiller.
I picked up the heterodyning from Bolt and then the Keely doco from Hans. This concept is over 100 years old.
When I ran the 3 freqs into my Bose Acoustic Radiator I produced huge standing waves. I could move the wave in and out from the center by simple frequency adjusting. It felt like I could break my house. I posted a vid. IS and I talked about this. I told him to do a three speaker test with no wife or children around for safety. He did and noticed the sound spinning around the room. This can be made to go any speed in any direction with the standing waves staying in place.
Bolt posted to me to pull the speaker and replace it with one of my TPUs. I did.
If the speaker audio spins around the room what do you think the magnetic field of the TPU does? Let me spell it out: V - O - R - T - E - X... The harmonics become standing waves that shift through space. These can be acoustic or magnetic. IS saw the acoustic move plants. I felt it travel across my skull from inside ear to outside ear and back. What would the magnetic wave do across wire?
IS and I have made cool. I wish there were more experimenters out here. This shit is phenominal when you are able to flip parts, units or freqs around at will to see further than thinking. My house is one huge heterodyned resonating chamber. The dogs dance whether they want to or not. LOL
I am pursuing Keely type experiments.
I am adding 2 more capacitors to each xr-2206 to increase the range from 100k to 1mhz like I had told IS to do. He has.
I am attaching DACs to the XR-2206's for exact VCO control.
The PVC coil sings in the current connection. That means it is dangerous in a mobius configuration like the ECD. I have one and it works.
I am connecting the modified Turbo notched PVC coil to my Keely/heterodyning controller in the same config as the Jan07 GK4 experiment.
I am connecting the PVC coil with the collectors connected at one end like Grumpy had posted about and will drive that.
Farther out in time, I am going to do a 3 channel exploding pop can test. That takes open space. This configuration will be placed in a BFG2000 configuration. Ya gotta have fun while ya work.
The GK4 was driven with square waves. The 'on' transistion time is Tera-fast. The energy just flies off the copper never to return. Sine waves are the way to go. Smooth and melodic. My current set up is for this type of configuration. I can run anything with what I have now.
The honeymoon is over and now I'm gonna kick some arse. A little break never hurt anyone.
--giantkiller. No parade or fanfare. Only progress.
Well said, GK
acerzw
melodic eh gk :)
lol
i am not at all a music guy but a DJ so maybe some help with this part guys!!!
a few pages from a book regarding music
a transision from A to C gk?!?!?!?
hummmmmm....... now you mentioned that some time ago eh?
what 3 semitones ? what the..........
ist
Is Stefan aware that the post3354.195 is a blank page that doesn't render anything?
Quote from: bolt on October 15, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
So in summary you are happy with the XR and mosfet amps? The important part is do the mosfet amps cope well at 1 meg to cover the XR range and if they do it well then you have completed what you set out to achieve. I am not sure if you are quoting me the data specs for the XRs or the actual capability of a near DC to 1 meg sig gen with the mosfet that runs through the range without birdies.
Also a music test, do the amps sound great like the author says ? :)
I am very happy with the setup so far. I just moded the gennys to reach 1mhz and added multiturn pots. Then I can push the amps and see. I am going to reconfigure the PVC coil hookup to set it up as 2 tuning forks with the 3 segment drive in the middle.
I did quote you the specs of the xr2206.
The amps sound great just the author stated.
--giantkiller
what happened to page 14?
:D
i think i know lol!!!
hey lets ask SM lol
ist
hummm right after my post hummmm what did i post i guess it is not time to know eh!! ;)
no worries all is good
so you all wonder what happined to the lotr thred hummm the same as this one
and you all think SM is not here
HA!!!!
riiight,
i guess the world is not ready for free energy yet. they would probably just try and use it to blow something up for oil, or politics, or to prove thier god is better than someone elses. i guess all things considered that is probably right.
so just stick it under your ass and sit on it. then we will only have enough power to anialate all life from the planet a few thousand times. i can't imagine how many more times we could anialate all life from the planet with free energy.
i wonder what a world, without threat, would be like for assholes that think control under the threat of violence is the way to keep everyone under control. if it is not violence then i guess change in the way our life works is just as good.
lol
sam
Quote from: supersam on October 29, 2007, 08:38:37 PM
riiight,
i guess the world is not ready for free energy yet. they would probably just try and use it to blow something up for oil, or politics, or to prove thier god is better than someone elses. i guess all things considered that is probably right.
so just stick it under your ass and sit on it. then we will only have enough power to anialate all life from the planet a few thousand times. i can't imagine how many more times we could anialate all life from the planet with free energy.
i wonder what a world, without threat, would be like for assholes that think control under the threat of violence is the way to keep everyone under control. if it is not violence then i guess change in the way our life works is just as good.
lol
sam
i personally think we are not ready yet myself included
why??
cuz about 90 % of us here just want to do is blow shit up
so why make it posible when we want power im sure the master will speak but first we must show him we can listen ;)
am i wrong ?
did he not say tubes come on some of you rich guys with moldy money get the damm tubes you all will see action then ;) i have kicked my ass many many times already for not buying tubes and sticking with the ss gennys but i will find some tubes soon then progress will be light speed lol!!
ist
Quote from: supersam on October 29, 2007, 07:17:07 PM
what happened to page 14?
Can not fix it right now,
has to wait until tommorow.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: innovation_station on October 29, 2007, 08:00:49 PM
:D
i think i know lol!!!
hey lets ask SM lol
ist
hummm right after my post hummmm what did i post i guess it is not time to know eh!! ;)
no worries all is good
so you all wonder what happined to the lotr thred hummm the same as this one
and you all think SM is not here
HA!!!!
Here is the pertainent post from page 14:Go to a valid page in the thread and press 'quote' for that msg. Then scroll down on the entry page to see what was posted.
giantkiller stats: I have had 4 Overunity threads trashed or shutdown for entry. I have never heard of this before. 8) No other threads have experienced this. Nowhere. How weird is that?
Quote
melodic eh gk
lol
i am not at all a music guy but a DJ so maybe some help with this part guys!!!
a few pages from a book regarding music
a transision from A to C gk?!?!?!?
hummmmmm....... now you mentioned that some time ago eh?
what 3 semitones ? what the..........
ist
This is right up there with Keely...
Everything on the earth is a byproduct of the earth or the external connections of the heavenly bodies or forces. That is why we have certain notes or chords that appeal to us. These are the frequencies that resonate through the physical matter. The sounds we like also interact with nature. This is not new age crap. It is strictly the physics of the environment we live in.
--giantkiller.
maybe just maybe we are ready ;D
you guys want the pics?
ist
hummmm......
GK,
I do believe thats your queue to begin phase 2
Paranoia!
Once I came home from work to find my appartment door unlocked. Nothing was touched, except that (and I am a huge photography nut) I had several experimental silver halide emulsions siting in a light tight box, that were awaiting development. When I developed them, the were over exposed to the point of having NOTHING on them, while other emulsions of the same batch located in my closet were fine, as if someone opened the box to see what was inside. These were located on top of my sig gen right next to my motional electrostatic condenser setup. while the other ones that were un touched were located amung some old clothes.
I felt kinda special,
Naw,
not paranoid. The odds are so phenominal over the last 1-1/2 yr of what has gone on here.
The constant flow of specifications that have been posted here have shown me what is possible beyond all realities. That which has been made possible by those before us, that fit our space, yet has been covered up.
We enter this time as conquerors and kings with this new found knowledge.
We don't need any more proof that any of this works.
--giantkiller. To the victors go the spoils.
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and it just happened to coinside with GK's post. that is really cool. i wish i could do that.
right
lol
sam
oh by the way, is it tommorrow yet?
lol
sam
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the missing atchments were not re posted till now
yes they are key to the tpu
are we still struggling with this tpu??? hummmm......
get tubes ;D
yea i guess it is that easy eh marco
lol!!!
so i try and try but no luck sorry i guess you dont get the second page of the book i have tryed to repost it 6 times in total with no luck
so read the signs ;)
ist
ok guys let go of my laptop!!! i like to see more than a black screen this is no joke!!!
@ all,
hell, i guess i must be thick in the head, i still can't figure out how to get that page to pull up from the reply box. maybe someone can walk me through it in PM. i will guarantee one thing though, it sure wasn't me that hid it. i read it but that was about all. went to look at some other related material elsewhere and came back and now don't have it for reference.
it is not the end of the world but there seemed to be some very interesting things i wanted to double check. on the whole heterodyning wubject though i think we might should all take a closer look at marco rodin's concepts and see if any of that could help.
lol
sam
The Rodin toroid surface map is the effect of heterodyning the planck's level.
Think about that...
--giantkiller.
well down another computer :(
oh well
just guess what the other page talked about??
look into the harmonic minnor of c somthing like the 7th harmonic hummmm.... kinda of makes me think 1 3 5 7 hummmm lol
ist
now where did i see 1357 b4? was it an amp that only amps thease harmonics hummm gonna have to hunt for this one ;)
1357
1234 th or f123 1= 7.8 or our magnet
Read this:
http://www.rodinmath.com/ (http://www.rodinmath.com/)
Everything is covered...
But then we have this:
http://www.theidea.bz/forum/index.php?topic=3995.0 (http://www.theidea.bz/forum/index.php?topic=3995.0)
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on October 31, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
Read this:
http://www.rodinmath.com/ (http://www.rodinmath.com/)
Everything is covered...
--giantkiller.
hell whatch all of his vids too!!
verry kool 8)
im @ chapter 26 I CANT ARGUE WITH IT it just makes plain sence ;) so what the hell is UEC and is he part of all of this??
just too krazy
ist
fine guys
have it your way
i totaly checked out my laptop and the conclusion is yes they screwed it up i hooked up a secondary monitor to it turned on second screen an yep it works my computer is just fine but my primary is on a timmer it suts down after boot up but my secondary is fine so i thought well it is older maybe my monitor is on the way out but nope i switched it to external screen as primary and black screen so
i guess the tpu is a hoax and a game ment to waste time and sm is not here is he?!?!?!?!?!
like i said 3rd or 4th computer i cant even remember anymore
i think im just about done with this thing i cant keep up computers toys thought time hell my cores awaite
you guys finish it
i have my machine to finish and there is only 4 years left b4 big trouble just think about it ..........
ist
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MP3 link...
http://www.divinecosmos.com/2007-7-11.mp3
Overview of MP3 link...
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=348&Itemid=70
they can fix my laptop they screwed it remotly they can fix it!!!
so do it
the hell with ss i quit it
now tubes come on marco
i need a list
im just plain tired of serching
ist
right now i wont even hook power to the ss gennys they will sit there
where the hell are all the builders cuz i may just not post public my folling results why???
the same reason sm dont want it out yet ;)
not enough REAL intrest
@IS,
If it is only you and I then we rule the ranch. Truck on, dude!
--giantkiller. The only competition is our own failure.
IST will never fail!!!
@ acerzw
2012 is not the end of the world the world can not end!!!!
but mass destruction is in store beond our ability to comprehend this can not be altered even with a tesla death ray :o we can not avoid or change this "event"
now is the begining of the end days as nibiru passes earth or colides with it we will have no gravity no magnetic feild and think about it no place to hide this is written in stone we will only soon beguin to hear public about NIBARU and even so they will never broad cast a dirrect collision course with earth that would be just dumb so we must wonder this is the bigger puzzel i have been talking of
it is not the end for all it is the beging of the new world ;) oh yea one with out a wobble ;)
think think think
ist
history repeats everything is on a cycle a never ending one ;) just like the commets pass like clock work and the seasons change with time
This is the last document in the Rodin pdf. It pertains to the final results of open thinking and the barriers to those that can't think.
"It is clear that we have hardly scratched the surface, as far as formal systems go; it is natural to wonder about what portion of reality can be imitated in its behavior by a set of meaningless symbols governed by formal rules. Can all of reality be turned into a formal system? In a very broad sense, the answer might appear to be yes. One could suggest, for instance, that reality is itself nothing but one very complicated formal system. Its symbols do not move around on paper, but rather in a 3-dimensional vacuum (space); they are the elementary particles of which everything is composed. (Tacit assumption: that there is an end to the descending chain of matter, so that the expression ?elementary particles? makes sense.) The ?typographical rules? are the laws of physics, which tell how, given the positions and velocities of all particles at a given instant, to modify them, resulting in a new set of positions and velocities belonging to the ?next? instant. So the theorems of this grand formal system are the possible configurations of particles at different times in the history of the universe. The sole axiom is (or perhaps, was) the original configuration of all the particles at the ?beginning of time?. This is so grandiose a conception, however, that it has only the most theoretical interest; and besides, quantum mechanics (and other parts of physics) casts at least some doubt on even the theoretical worth of this idea. Basically, we are asking if the universe operates deterministically, which is an open question.
Douglas R. Hofstadter, from a discussion of meaning and form in mathematics in
"Godel, Escher and Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid"
--giantkiller. Dream farther than your daily thoughts.
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perhaps we need to digg
i would recomend naustra dommas,s writeings!!! pardon the spelling
we know he was and is REAL ;D the great see er of the 17th
there in lies what will happin has he been wrong b4??
also buildbuger hummmm all there contracts end 2012
hey lets just ask the iluminatie they know ;) hey 1 more thing what is the highest rank of the free masons?? hummm 33 deg it also just so happins plannet x is set to 33 deg colision corse with earth
i am NOT MAKEING THIS UP digg in you will see
ist
maybe we can alter this but i dont think so i think we will be offered our way out b4 it happins if we refuse we will be left for the result of what is to come
why the crop circles? why all this anchint knolwage hummm END DAYS we will see it i just can feel it ;) weather good or bad it dosent matter what does is it is on its way and aint no stoping it
digg in i challenge all of you
digg in!!
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there many points i could argue but not here
dommous lol his original were taken and faluse ones re released that is why they dont fit
no worries just concerns that have been hidden and are creeping up on us
tubes now ;D
ist
@duff,
thanks for the help! man i must be slow, sometimes.
@aceswer,
i still don't see how to access this from the post reply box.
@ everyone,
"MEANWHILE BACK AT THE RANCH", gk has come up with a setup to manipulate soundwaves at will, with his setup! is, is also saying he can do something similar.
@ gk,
have you been able to manipulate, at least the sound, any way you want it to go? if so have you tried, rodins, 1,2,4,8,7,5. trajectory points for starters?
lol
sam
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acewrz,
yea i have seen it in the past, but even now your post didn't show up! maybe it is something new.
"MEANWHILE BACK ON THE RANCH" !!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
sam
ps:sorry if it seems i got everyone off on this tangent at such an important time. i try to limit my non-performing asses comments to as few a possible now adays. i hope i havn't thrown the whole subject off on this tangent, when there are so many more to be explored yet! i just wanted to expand my mind with gk's posts from that page one more time , and found it very frustrating when i couldn't seem to find it. thanks everyone for the patience. shuttin up shutttin up.
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@all,
eight notes brings a scale back to itself everytime. doe-ray-me-far-sew-la-tea-doe. 1-2-4-8-7-5-1, according to rodins theory seems to be, a couple of notes shy of a full scale, wheather it be minor or major. i wonder if what we are missing in looking at musical scales and projections of the thirds is the fact that, the 3 & 6 are going to come up in the harmonics of the other notes. no reason to play them. play the 1-2-4-8-7-5, and the cord will demonstrate the 3-6-&(9). the (9), being the unity we are looking for!
lol
sam
ps: lets just say in the key of c: you play the notes to form a cord of, doe-ray-far-(high)doe-tea-sew-doe. does the tripleing of the doe bring in the three? what happens to the six and the nine on the scope. if you observe them do they dissapear?> shuttinup shuttinup!
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@all,
now take the "sew" key, or the "f" key and play it the same way. that should give you two of the frequencies. of course you have to find out what key your instrument, "tpu coil", is playing in. i don't know how ,with any of the designs ,i have seen on here so far, you can get anything out but noise. maybe the "hash" is important. maybe to keep us from getting to close to the right frequency.
lol
sam
@gk,
if yiu really want to heterodyne, take it one step further and play the sixth! TOO.
watchout!!
lol
sam
In case anybody missed it:
Yes, I am taking the 2 scales into consideration. 2 scales? the mathematical and the true key scales that Jaro has mentioned in the Keely docos. Somewhere. I got it all stacked as a to do/hit list.
I am working on the dual 3 channel class 'a' amps. 1 set for coil driver and one set for audio in tandem.
I will say this again. Have you all noticed the change in the threads. The most important specifications to arise at this time are concerning the frequencies in the musical scales and the additional numerical frequencies. Nothing else matters at this time. Bolt came on board and mentioned heterodyning and was gracious enough to supply a circuit. Hans came on board and mentioned Keely. I took all this into consideration and am following these men with their submissions. The devices that Keely had were only to produce true tones in his mechanical era. His goal was the frequencies. I have this now and it is very easy to do with the technology at hand.
@Sam,
The direction can be changed at will. The beat freq that arises from the heterodyning can sweep either way depending on small tweeks. It is no different than the pattern on a rattlesnake that shifts just like the predator cloaking suit. I mention that as a visual demo. But that matches the heterodyning patterns which also matches the Rodin math toroid map. Pretty simple to invision. Yes, I will try all the numerical patterns. They are pretty powerful in other areas of usage. Otherwise why would they carry such weight throughout history. It is us that are new here.
@all,
I have slowed down a bit on this. That has been obvious. I do pieces and parts when I can. But I have an serious hit list of tests to do. My platform is almost ready. I am staying on track.
Life is what happens when making other plans. John Lennon.
--giantkiller. I have not fallen by the wayside.
@GK,
THANKS!!!!!! i will not say, "i couldn't", just that you are the best man for the job! at this moment in time. i respect your judgment!
lol
sam
so sam you show up from no where to explain the page you did not let me post and youi trash my shit
why dont you fix it hero
you take the time to wreck it why not fix it and well your at it i have 3 more you messed up
so where did bolt go ?
he leaves you step in just a joke this whole game
ist
gk just light the damm bulb put an end to this shit
the tpu does not deserve the time it was already given
end it
funny why sm always hides eh cant show his face and destroys peoples shit hummmmm and yet he is the hero ha!!
a real hero will do what i am going to do with my machine
that is disclose each and every peice and explain why and how it works and give it for free
but i guess all our minds are just a little twisted
what ever be a man and fix the shit you destroy
ist
@is,
sorry,dude if you think i just stepped in to still your thunder. i have been trying to find the page 14 for review for days. thanks to duff, i finally found it, because i was to dumb to do what gk, and acers, told me to do in the first place. i guess i just didn't scroll down far enough.
thanks for bringing the music book into play. i think it may have jogged a thing or two in my brain. that is all, didn't mean to upset anyone, actually trying to do so much, as yourself. in my previous post i hope you didn't think, "is, is" were the same. i know that is, is.
lol
sam
ps: just play the damned chords! the music will come! and with the music maybe the right frequencies. just the way i look at it, as a stupid ironworker.
just turn my damm screen back on so i can continue my quest
why do you guys have to flex your skills on me?
why
just put it back so i can continue
ist
you are supersam r u not???
or maybe .. eh
just fix it
@ acerzw
i removed that page yes in hopes they would repair my laptop so i can continue but kinda hard to make any progress when all my shit is on my laptop witch i can not see sure it turns on but that is it so i take the loss once agin and you all benfit and i loose
what the hell else is new
@is,
i feel your pain man. i wish i could. i guess it just wouldn't be right with the universe though.
sorry man i really am just a stupid ironworker.
if it is any help, i can break iron wire with my bare hands. all you have to do is wrap about three wraps on each hand, bend it in the middle, three or four times, and yank. viola, you can too. humm i hope it isn't a magnetostiction effect that the tpu gets its effects from.
i don't think it is, i think more along the lines of harmonics.
lol
sam
ps: is i know you will overcome this too.
im still pissed bout my laptop and i need it to continue on further
i put that info up there because i thought it would help i did not konw it was that special ;) sure i had some ideas but i am no musician if i was i would have knowen beond a doubt but i was a dj we are just a bit diffrent both performers but not the same eh!!
so come on guys i need what you have taken from me so restore it
is
well i did what i have all along so the rest of you dont have to i have said many many dumb things i know this but im not trying to be the wise guy or the dummy im doing what i can to help this journey out
there are many many smart people here but some of the dumb things must be asked and talked about and i feel that the smart people that dont know dont want to ask cuz they care what people think about them me i dont care what any of you think of me that will not control my life and thoughts it has not yet and never will
i speak my mind and yes most times i dont think all of it out b4 i post that is my wild style i post where i want and all over the place the same with my hand writeing it is my style this i will never be able to change so why try ?? just like words and my spelling and grammer it means shit to me my spelling does not influnce my thoughts ;) nor my grammer as long as you yet what im trying to say that is all that matters and when this game is over and all done and thease threds are used for refrence for the masses i will repair all the spelling and crap to make it right with my posts or maybe we will just make a pdf or a new thred or somthing
down the road but it is only a verry short one now ;)
sorry i have been a dink about my computer but i could really use it :(
william
@ sam im just a stupid construction worker that cant spell :)
i just love thease old tube books
lol!!!
im gonna post a page from the old book NOW!!! do not crash my little box ok
this has to do with waves and harmonics just showing and explaining them
so verry leary of posting things now >:(
ist
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... Put up a router .... lock it down, if your real crazy get an old p3 out put up a small linux server and lock that down too.... if you still get hacked behind a hardware firewall and a linux server i dont know what to tell you, you must have really bent someone the wrong way. Last possibility, You've irritated some genius who can still write assembly and he gained root access to your machine after that he proceed to rewrite machine code to cause an over voltage to be let through a certain bus path of your motherboard.. OR you got one of the million viruses or spyware that attacks core os files.
This was my network security humor for the day, while the genius scenario is a stretch, it could happen. Just think of that stinky dude who wore a trench coat and never combed his hair in Programming class that managed to finish every project a half an hr before the rest of us. I bet hes got some time on his hands. :P
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Just so ya know i'm not saying that as a bad thing. I'm a network tech/pc repair guy, and I guess I was going more for "Those of us that enjoy working with computer's ect and electronics ususally do it because theres always a different problem to keep your noggin turning and we enjoy it. Most of us are usually pretty wholesome people, saying that, you'd really have to bend me the wrong way to get me to stop with the other 30 things i'm doing at the moment to do something as trivial as blue screening someone for fun. Well unless the guy gave my number to telemarketers, then its on but otherwise. ;D
If he has the need for a real computer, try a PDP8. You can even key in the boot loader on the front panel switches... ;D
Then there is the 4mhz D16 with 22 address switches and 16 data switches and a blinky lite for each to watch.
thaelin
nuttin i can do dont worry about it tho :)
it is still working i have posted my last 5 posts on it but main screen is dull that is all no virises or spyware not the blue screen the black one it boots all the way then after 5 min the screen suts down only the primary the games people i think it is just to slow me down that is all !!! but you all know me and it will only work for so long lol!!!!!
of course i pissed him off
i have many many times i know this
a question what would you do with 100 million somthing tells me i would be real good with computers eh bolt!!! and all the rest you guys you know who i mean i will not name names but there at least 4 5 6 of you guys here playing god !! or should i say sm
lol
but guess what there is only 1 of me and i will not play god when i release my work public ;D
with my work no i was not the guy that figured it all out but i designed it and built it so i call it my work
isteam!!
lets carry on can we forward motion aint no stoping now!!
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i am not being rude acerzw BUT i know there at least 4 more and thease are only the ones i have discovered yes i have a verry good idea who is in the sm vids ;) but i aint talking figure it out as i did
i still think there miles to walk for most here :) this is a game REMEMBER!!!
I HAVE SAID THIS THE FIRST TIME AROUND THIS IS NOW MY SECOND TURN AT THE RING!!!!!!
HEHEHEHE in fact you all can refer to this as my thrid and final atempt 3 strikes and you are out i wish this was my first time at bat cuz im gonna hit a home run!!! lol!! however i wish i would have not struck out the first 2 times ;D
but i now have the tools
how about you ask your self how many people have finished this game i can tell you many have ;D and long b4 you came along dude i am doing my best at getting this public i have not finished i did not join the eleite why!!!!
im open source :)
ist
TUBES AND I WILL SAY NO MORE OF THEM HERE GK THIS IS THE SS PLACE
@ acerzw when will you get your hands dirty as i said i will not walk alone!!! if i must hummmm no hope for me posting the rest public
just about NO ONE has listened to SM the ones that have are done!!! so get the hell on the tube train and WIZE UP LOL!!
and you all know what i spent more money on the ss gennys than on all my tubes sockets shields and my transformer hummmm got to say somthing about the time that will be spent as well DONT YA THINK lets do it the easy way :)
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why must i flex what i know!!!!!
you of all people should know!!! i had you remove my pm's remember!!! lol!!!
no mush here you and many others here are wrong why dont the eleite post??? humm the were given and asked not to eh ELEITE??
but it dont matter you all will learn it too when you open your :o
i will not post what i know i can not loose another computer i will be busy rebuilding the computers and not the tpu then and that is not what i want where did my early post go??? how many finished that time around??? i know more than 1 lol!!!
i dont care what you all think im not here to make you think my way but i really dont think im that wrong ;)
ist
1 more thing UEC how many are on there team lol more than just sm lol so think about it oh btw i have been here not even a year!! and for the first 3-4 months i did not even know of the tpu or sm or any of that i came here to post my turbine generator combo that was all but i found steven marks and well here we are i think i have been on this project for about 6 months not much more than that ;)
thank you some here have been at it much longer i also think many many play dumb lol!!!!
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dont waste your time and space on this thred i know who i am and where i am you my friend do not because you have done nothing you have built nothing i was in your shoes at 1 point but i built you have not
END OF STORY
so where is the finished tpu look in your own links to find the answer ther are right there on you siginture
ist
acerzw you are pissed i did not give the page i tryed to post to anyone it is the final answer i know this why does rodins 124875 fit hummm and what does it fit ?? lol!!!
come on supersam lol!!
i do know but they will not let me post it lol!!! its all good im sure gk knows too!! and hell a lot of people know dont they ?? hahaha
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come on 30 years lol!!! im sure it has been perfected and the release of rodins math lol!! right now dont it fit the game?? and explain the entie workings of the tpu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ist
wake up
im sure i know what circuit drives the finished tpu too but it will do us no good right now i said it months ago a crystal!!!
how does my machine work ??? a crystal!!!! hummmmmm
why? what is the earths second harmonic component a crystal do you see a pattern? what is the second hrominic of 7.5 -8 hz humm 14.xxx
no wait a min that is not the resonant freq of a CRYSTAL IS IT??
lol lol lol
so rodins math works out to what? everything including music and harmonics so the transision from a to c what must we do ? this is where our harmonics fit oh yea
hho what freq does that work at? hummmm somthing tells me it has to do with low freq and the music scale but hey think as you will
i do have nothing to prove other than it all can be done and we dont have to be stuck here when the shit hits the fan or x hits the earth lol!!!
so what happins now the fourm goes quiet and you all think i have seen this b4 right after my posts many times
so lets finish this game so i can finish my machine and give to all of you at the same time as the tpu
we are in for change soon!! but you guys that watch should build with me i dont need the tpu fame or the welth from it all i need is to finish my job it is all set up for me the investor the machine the technolagy all of it each and every aspect of it and i can do it perfectly with out haveing to guess at it
lol
i started to post somthing yesterday in a diffrent thred but they would not let me finish i know they watch me they have for a long time humm since i think it was 2 weeks when i started this project lol i am not wrong in all i have said some yes but not all
so why are the smaller rings of higher freq ? i can answer this but i wont ;D
you guys can
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hey guys read my posts over on Hans's Keely forum my last two deal with scales and the golden mean and relate directly to em light spectrum primary colors. at about the 49th octave.
JOE
Quote from: acerzw on November 03, 2007, 05:11:42 AM
@Is,
My friend I am going to eat my words, SM did in my belief post on this forum... Why do I say this?
Someone on the single wire thread referred to a post they made on the LOTR page 116, if you scroll down that page you will find a post by, the 'Dark Lord who made the One ring to rule them all'.... Sauron! a perfect pseudonym for SM if ever there was one, that post is also just a repost of SM's own words...
Try this go to the the forum search facility, in the tool bar and enter 'Sauron' as the search term, and you will get back a list of anywhere Sauron was mentioned in a post... read the comments... also Sauron brought up the tuning forks I think?
I believe Sauron stopped posting after a short while...
Take a look at Sauron's last avatar image posted below...
If SM did post here, Sauron is my candidate...
Acerzw
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The text at the bottom of Eye of Sauron card tells alot. It is a good game by S)auron of M)odor. The black pit sits between 2 symbols of energy. Same analogy as the Egytian glyph of Anubis and his wife with the 2 tuning forks. Same as the post by Grumpy about the two open collectors ringing many times after the initial resonant strike.
This is the next step to understanding.
@IS,
Once again, somebody chimes up and says 'light the bulb'. This too is part of the conquest and riches.
--giantkiller.
yes i do like sm
he is one of the GREATS as TESLA and the rest my work will be public as i do it i call it real time inventing NOTICE all of my work in halfbaked it is half baked!!! lol it will be finished public in the real time inventing open source way ;D
un like sm but i currently am playing his game so i must play by the rules HIS RULES get it step beond the rules you get bit!!!! i have been bitten many times because of my wild style
so be it.......... i will not stop this is my way
my work is not finished so why post the wrong way to do it i must do it first prove it then post and shere and in the process i must look after my needs too also my work is not cheep!!! so why make people waste money on somthing that is not proven true yet
i will not do that!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3338.75/topicseen.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3338.75/topicseen.html) Its worth everyones time to read this short article ive found realating to diatonic scales and phi. Im not wasting your time here.
@gk
i was angry when i said that!!
@ all
perhaps we should work on the tubes make it work then the ss this is the problem gk i know you can light a bulb but the tubes!!!!!!
are first remember the clues duh!!
starting to get tired of this shit there is no need the only need it to follow the tube rute
tubes for the esayest way how many times has that been said ??
ist
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i have my path i have my guide i need nothing but to do it anyone gonna help?
but hey i walk alone i walk alone my shadow is the only one that walks beside me my shadows heart is the only thing thats beating i walk alone i walk alone .......
@ GK
Ive been browsing things on Keely and alternate frequencies, the ratio of hist little diatonic spiral was what intrigued me, after looking at it I realized it was a phi spiral and i started digging deeper and after i picked apart the garbage from the the real stuff i found something referencing something that might benefit you. The specific part was the using the formula they have here for the freq you use http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter6.html some of the stuff can look silly man but after reading it a little it does make sense.
see pic at bottom for values
Each Phi spiral is actually a series of pure sine waves. It is a well-known principle in physics that any complex wave shape can be created from the sum of simpler pure sine waves with different frequencies and amplitudes. This principle is called the Fourier principle. The Phi spiral is constructed from a series of harmonics with wavelengths that comply with the Golden Mean version of the Fibonacci sequence:
When pure sine waves with wavelengths of 1/ ä, 1, ä, ä ?, ä ? etc. are added together, they will form a perfect Phi spiral.
Golden Mean Waves
When these Phi spirals circle around the torus they meet and interfere. As a result of this interference two new additional waves will be created. What is important to notice is that both new waves will have wavelengths that are again in the Fibonacci series. This allows that the interference will be non-destructive since the interference will simply result in more harmonics in the Fibonacci series.
Whilst destructive interference is the norm in wave interference, the only exception in nature is when the waves interfere with Golden Mean ratio wavelengths! In other words, the Phi spiral can re-enter itself around the torus shape without destroying itself. So the Phi spiral is the universe?s only possible way to nest and become self-organizing. This is how stable matter can be formed from electromagnetic energy as a form of pure wave interference.
Electromagnetic energy in a straight line is what we usually call light. When this same light chases its own tail around the surface of the torus shape we call it matter. In other words the atom is pure electromagnetic energy in a form that we no longer perceive as light but as matter, or to put it in Daniel Winter?s own words;
?So now we have this dualism that waves in a line are energy and waves in a circle are mass, and because we don?t know how the wave got into a circle from the line and out, we conceive mass as separate from energy. E=MC^2 simply said that yes loop the speed of light back around on itself, and you made mass of energy?.
The Golden Mean spirals of the torus shape eventually spiral into a perfect zero still point in the nucleus of the vortex that coincides with the nucleus of the atom. So these sine waves implode inwards into increasing smaller wavelengths. The implosion of the Golden sine waves into smaller and smaller wavelengths not only increases the frequency of the waves but also increases the speed of the waves to become super-luminal waves (travelling faster than light). According to Daniel Winter, this is what gravity really is, the cascade of Golden Mean electromagnetic sine waves that gain an ever-increasing velocity breaking the speed barrier of light. Einstein had always assumed that electromagnetism and gravity were related and Daniel Winter explains us how this connection is established.
Quote from: acerzw on November 03, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
@ls
Why limit yourself to playing by SM's rules...
@GK
I couldnt agree more with the above statement. I think SM stumbled upon a great invention. To his credit at least he was walking around. Like most great inventions of our time he invented by circumstance. SM is definitely not an altruistic scientist. If he was.. the good people posting on this forum would not find it necessary to try to duplicate this invention by obtaining tidbits of information from video clips and extremely limited information from the inventor. I believe there are a number of these duplicates now working. I would hope that these machines would be used for scientific purposes. I believe that the machine is able to direct ambient radiation onto the collector. What wavelengths what amplitude what scources are the important questions to be answered. Leave the nutsandbolts to the industrial developers to follow. Grab a piece of lead flashing and put it over the coil see if the light goes out. Put a microwave oven near the unit and see if the light gets brighter. Use copper plates instead of lamp cord and extend the plates to water cooled heat sinks to extend the duty cycles. Put a switch on the output lead something that seems to have alluded SM. Most of all tell everyone you possibly can about your findings. Put up a you tube clip everyday of your progress and findings. Make this world a better place for those that follow.
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well
nope i still will not!!
this is not the way sm intended things to go
he wanted us to understand it the way he did
so it was not so complex to understand
just walk the walk
i will not as gk will not light the bulb
why?
this is not the way sm wanted us to find the answer
does my computer problems not tell you somthing it has told me much
oh btw did i tell you i was followed a wile ago?? hummmm
i dont think i posted this public lol
but i was i know how do i know i was asked if i want the guys off my door step via pm here at ou dont think they dont know lol
and the interview hummmn i guess i got the job eh?!?!?!?!
ist
btw why do i not have a working tpu hummmm i have many coils around 50 of them out of those coils i have i would think around 10 -12 coils that will run fine the way they sit now in all of the work i have done on this tpu since i started a little over 6 months ago i have only ever fired power into about 4 of those 50 coils and i repeat not 1 was powered by a freq genny!!
so why do i not have a working coil well i dont have the generators yet!!!!! duh!!!!
how long will it take me to make them work???? not long at all why do you think i droped the ss?? hummm sure i know it works lol but it was not the way we were told to learn it !!!!!
so do it the right way and understand it. but still any one will have a verry hard time with ss even with the proper sheilding cuz theres more to it yet lol
so now i discover that rodins coil is diffrent than the tpu lol!!
the tpu is safe it is perfefted with only a verry few parts can someone tell me what they are??
ist
it really is that simple
lol!! ps the ss ones are the ones that it does not matter the where they sit you all know what i forgot this whole time?
we were and are still force feeding!!!! just think about it we are trying to see the effect not make it ;)
so how much money will a finished tpu cost to build?? humm i think around 25 bucks excluding any saftey cut off devices btw what is the cut off device??? a switch of course but one that works when you flip it upside down a liquid switch lol!!!!!!
so you guys that have finished i hope you have a good old laugh at me cuz i sure am!!! how dumb can you actually feel?? im sure im feeling it lol!!!
but i will still walk the path altho i still have a lot of work to do to make it work the way i NOW understand it
SM really is the master of magnetics!!
@ mannix you sure named that thred the best you could have
has anyone done any work with programable crystals?? they sound verry slick ;)
beating round the bush, beating round the bush lol
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acer...
u waste your time cuz i did not even read it
ha
yep i chacked it in its simplest form no tubes none of that shit ;D
guess what where do we take power from???? 1 power out lead will come from center collector other from final wrap and the tpu is all 1 wire and you all know what i was almost there quite some time ago ;D but now it just makes sence good luck to crack this the way i beleave i have next to impossible well and i still do not know the exact chord and that is nessary to build anything ha!!
why??
acer i challange you to build this with out me explaining it to you!!!
can you do it???
i know i can and i know it will be easy ;) i think sm has made 3 diffrent tpu's
and i think i figured out the finished tpu no i have not built this but i dont have to to understand the hows and whys
will i give this out nope not in so many words figure it out it has taken me a great deal of time to come up with this and i see no reason this is not the compleatly finished tpu
ist
why do you be rude
lol
you will never have this from me
FOOL
GO WALK THE MANY MILES I HAVE!!!!!!
william
if you want the tpu i advise you to walk the tube path as sm wants you all to!!!! after the freqs are discovered it will make verry plain sence to you all!!
it does to me but i think im just nuts lol!!!
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credit do where credit is do thank you MAC!!!
william
verry funny you dont think SM is a great man he has just finished what TESLA set out to do give this world free power i think he has done it but you cant have it until you understand it and how it works the verry best way he could have given it away
DONT YA THINK??
dont get me wrong i really want to give this to you all but it just wouldnt be right with the universe so i can not walk the tube path with me but i mean build!!!!!! not just talk we will do it his way ;D or i will not do it at all >:(
nope no if ands or butts!!!
so some here have it running on tubes some here have it running on ss and i think only a verry few have it running the way i have come up with if they do my hats off to you
i think the tpu can be run 2 ways the self running way (verry little electronics}
or the force feeding way amps osc,s and all that stuff
this entire time we have been looking for the effect not making the effect
Giantkiller,
I'm getting some interesting effects when I send a sound wave through a transformer. Thought it might help in this topic.
From my laptop sound card output (about 2.3V AC?) I'm getting 56V DC.
I'm really bad at measuring current, so I can't comment on it...
When I use an Mp3 of the sound wave (159Hz square wave for this particular transformer-all are different) I get about 18V DC.
When I use a 25W amp, I get over 300V DC!
Here is the video (doesn't have amp test, just sound card test and Mp3 test)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSwQouGPcA
@IS
If you don't agree with my theory thats cool but id like giant killer and the others to evaluate the information i presented before you dis rail this thread by the bickering, like acer said man if your finished cool go to the completed thread but i have brought forth information that we would like to work with evaluate and test, who cares what sm thinks about this version im basing my examples from what gk has achieved already and that stuff is amazing enough for me.. shaking your house with sound waves classifies as progress and cool! If i've discovered a pattern of wave forms that are additive and predictable in that they will double on themselves by using ratio's of phi its worth a try. I know your stressed too man so im not trying to sound like a jerk i just wanted everyone to digest that info then make there own assumption
Joe
yes joe
i may still be wrong!!!
lol
do give it a shot
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@Acer
I agree with everything you have been saying. What has happened to IS? Maybe too much high frequency? He is really starting to sound like an idiot. SM is not even close to being in the same league as Tesla. Tesla has been sharing his work since the day he started. We are still learning from him today. SM stumbled across a discovery and sold it. Now he is in secrecy. If SM was so great, he would have released his discovery.
Now, IS says he knows how it works but does not want to say? I don't think he has a clue. Just talk. Just like the tube generator I sold him back in July that I am still waiting to get paid for. Yea, It's in the mail.
Tim
;D
yes mr mag i will ship it back to you as i dont need it money is tight but i will even throw in a few tubes for you lol cuz i dont need em lol
yes what i thought last night is not all compleate but it dont matter i have an even simpler unit i will be building that will work just fine!!!!
with no freqs no electronics no magnets just some wire ;)
have fun with it all
a long journy still lies ahead!!!
ist
this unit will collect electricty for ever from the first charge into it
not sure if heat will be a problem but i dont think so
im still learning the hows and the whys so i will not comment any more on this
until i fully understand it
ist
what im working on may not be the tpu at all
so in looking back therough the fourm in a new light i reaize just how smart some people really are it blows me away ;)
i will explain what i came up with last night but there is an even simpler way ;D
well parts are diodes and crystals for my ideas las night 3 crystals at the right freqs they also act as osc's ativated by the wave rotating so they are inside the ring they are our filters for the freqs too
there 3 control coils each is tuned to a diffrent freq this is where "the wire is verry important " fits ok so our collector is 7.5
the entire ring consists of 1 collector 3 controls and output winding now the collector is wound cc as are the controls also they are hooked up in that dirrection with a diode between each coil to tell it what way to go no batteries
because the first swipe goes in and cannot get out it then ramps up to our desired freq or our proper chord when it hits this speed in operation we will have output power
i wrote it down last night and drew a picture of it
i will make a list of the points i thought about
@ dansway it was your pic from a long time ago tha made this click in my mind as well as MAC,s work
the list i have written up
just points that i jotted down
wire chooses our freqs wire must be tuned
crystals set up the oscolations
crystals osc from the passing wave
cc dirrection
no batteryies just a mag
last coil must be raised musically
all 1 wire it spins because of haromonics
only diodes no caps
amp out from 7.5 collector
voltage out from final wrap
1 more thought from my next project
electricty is the rotation inside of a magnetic feild
oops quoted the wrong post lol!!
@singerxyz
ok i just watched your vid
you did a great job of explaining this well done
yes i did this a wile ago
did you put a magnet on the transformer it will vibrate much more and get lould at the right freq a verry nice hummmmmm
but square waves hummm
disruptive discharge - the cap on the input yes i think it is ou but not the tpu
i will try this with my plate transformer from my tubes i have not done that yet did by chance you scope it? you will see spikes because of the square waves
is it real power did you try to load it ?? a dc motor or bulb?
oh in my next crack at it i will say this
drop the freqs dont need them
it is a closed system electro magnet and that sets up the rotating current end of story
it is locked inside the collector indefnetly always collecting engery turn it on turn it off
lol!!!
ist
oh yea this will require a power source only the first charge!! or you could hook up a battery a 9v or 2 to a push button push the button it is live push it agin it stops as i think still in big thought on this btw this found me i did not find it!!! ;)
i bet there is some hummmin now lol!!!
~~i still remember how that music yusta make me smile and i knew if i had my chance i could make those people dance and maybe they would be happy for a wile ~~ but the lator months make me shiver with every post i deliver unknowen answers on the doorstep i couldnt take 1 more step~~ for those that dont know ~~~~~american pie~~~~~
~~~somthing touched me deeeeeeep inside the day the TPU'S alive~~~
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That's the frustrating part- can't light a bulb, and a DC motor just hums the freq...
I have another unit I built that uses a pulse circuit instead of a freq with the same type setup, and running off three AA batteries generates @ 400V! And it still won't do much work. It will create big, powerful sparks, big enough to leave weld marks on test leads and hurt like a B#TCH! when I accidentally touched the cap, yet I can't seem to get t to do any decent work.
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Maybe thats it. It doesn't matter if it's 1000volts 0amps or 100watts 10volts 10amps, if you feel and see the energy, then it's there. If you handle electrical equipment and you get blown off your feet, but you read wattage and it's 1, where the hell is this extra energy coming from? Something deeper going on here...
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@IS
You asked this question earlier in the thread ,
so why are the smaller rings of higher freq ? I can answer this but I wont
Remove the word nucleus when reading this and I think it answers that question
The Golden Mean spirals of the torus shape eventually spiral into a perfect zero still point in the nucleus of the vortex that coincides with the nucleus of the atom. So these sine waves implode inwards into increasing smaller wavelengths. The implosion of the Golden sine waves into smaller and smaller wavelengths not only increases the frequency of the waves but also increases the speed of the waves to become super-luminal waves (travelling faster than light). According to Daniel Winter, this is what gravity really is, the cascade of Golden Mean electromagnetic sine waves that gain an ever-increasing velocity breaking the speed barrier of light.
the speed of the wave.......
it must pass that many times more than a bigger coil to reach the desired chord or freqs of converson
ist
Sorry,
I thought you were referencing collectors ringing faster and in higher frequencies. You really meant Wire ring not sound... ringing hehehe. Must have been late. The other answer you gave seems to be common sense .
Quote from: acerzw on November 04, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
@singerxyz
So your transformer is going what it should, and converting amps to volts... so no OU, as shown by the low load capacity, you could probably get a million volts with enough windings on the transformer, but virtually 0 current...
Acerzw
Agreed, yet there are some strange things going on. With my pulse setup- the one that generates 400VDC.
This is a step-down transformer, so if I'm sending high voltage to the 110VAC side and outputting on the 12VDC side, shouldn't I be seeing a drop in voltage, not a gain? Also, I can't seem to regulate the voltage using conventional means like a 12V voltage regulator- it shows no effect on the meter. Only when I connect it to a battery and read the voltage do I see a normal voltage reading for the battery, and the unit slowly charges the battery (about .10V/hour). I think this might be RE, and I'm having trouble capturing it in a useful way.
If I connect a 35V 4700uF electrolytic capacitor, the voltage slowly rises to about 80VDC, and it seems to be charging batteries better. Right now I'm experimenting with charging various types of batteries, and so far I think Ni-Cad batteries are the most accepting of this form of energy. I'll post my results as I go...
SingerXYZ
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well since i posted my idea of the crystal tpu in here 2 or 3 days ago
funny thing my mind will not stop it is raceing full speed the fastest it ever has yet ;)
i have gotten a lot of ideas form that simple idea i posted
1 the muller motor generator the problem with it interferience as the tpu has with the circuits outside the ring same thing
the solution for muller TUBES LOL!!
i have come up with a design for a verry advanced tpu like device ;) but none of you here are ready for this yet including sm
in my opinion
why cuz i think only a few here got passed the first tpu let alone the finished unit so no hope in hell in understanding what my latest is or how it will work
b4 too long the worlds first hover board lol!!
ist
and there aint no stop in lol!! the universe is the limit ;D
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yep i just got the idea bout an hour ago i just threw it togather so you could have a visual thease are not nessarly the proper componments wound or layed out and it will have much more to it ;) including 2 seprate places to pull power off from
just too simple
the ~~~~~~~ist sm style hybred~~~~~~~
ist
just incase you all think im really not who i am a little somthing to blow your mind lol!!!!!!!
watch this
AUDIOHENGE............TPUHENGE...........STONEHENGE ...............lol!!! see a pattern duh!!!!!!!
william i know who i am do you know who you are ?
so how did TESLA do it lol!!
the same way i just did for all of you here right in front of your eyes in my mind and thoughts!!! think it desire it you will have it ~~IST~~
Histeam!!
now go change this world !!! start at the begining WITH THE TUBES AND PLAY THE DAMM GAME
hey giant bro
what was that movie you told me to watch oh yea "THE SECRET" hummmmm hey how long ago did i watch that
~~~THE POWER OF THE MIND~~~
back to my work finally ahh........
Giantkiller,
I was telling you about one of my experiments where I used a pulse circuit through a transformer, and I said it wasn't able to do real work...
Well, now it can! I switched to electrolytic capacitors on the output and used a 555 timer/relay switch between the caps and the load to let the caps build up a charge, and I can light a flashlight bulb, or run a small electric motor for the time it takes for the caps to drain.
I can also (slowly) charge anything up to a 12V battery with it, and it seems to be a real charge. All off 3AA batteries. (They last @ 12-18 hours!)
very exciting!
NOTE: This diagram shows the old capacitor setup. I'm now using 35V 4700uF electrolytic caps
and the output is @ 70-80VDC (which is actually just ramped up charge in the caps, but it does have amperage as evidenced by the ability to do work...)
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i started to build today but nothing like this
;)
nice work singerxyz
ist
well i built my locked loop electro magnet and yes verry easy to achive this it suports it own weight no problem i only charged with low current and it works but it should be charged with high current low voltage so you can get a larger rotating current traped inside the soft iron
well this is all good but what do you do with it
hummm lol
i wound 600 turns of 28 ga wire i will now wind the second coil the same dirrection and see how well it will lock togather
Quote from: singerxyz on November 09, 2007, 02:01:34 PM
Giantkiller,
I was telling you about one of my experiments where I used a pulse circuit through a transformer, and I said it wasn't able to do real work...
Well, now it can! I switched to electrolytic capacitors on the output and used a 555 timer/relay switch between the caps and the load to let the caps build up a charge, and I can light a flashlight bulb, or run a small electric motor for the time it takes for the caps to drain.
I can also (slowly) charge anything up to a 12V battery with it, and it seems to be a real charge. All off 3AA batteries. (They last @ 12-18 hours!)
very exciting!
NOTE: This diagram shows the old capacitor setup. I'm now using 35V 4700uF electrolytic caps
and the output is @ 70-80VDC (which is actually just ramped up charge in the caps, but it does have amperage as evidenced by the ability to do work...)
ha ha!
Some people would just give up at that point, but instead of surrendering to the meter, you didn't give up. HUNT THAT ENERGY DOWN! :D
Version 2
I apologize for the cheesy diagram, best I can do now. If someone want to do a schematic, go for it.
I will also make a cheesy version of the pulse circuit this week- also very simple, like 2 transistors, 5 resistors and a capacitor.
@singerxyz,
Very cool!
Replacing the transformer with a tpu type coil would be the next step to accomplish a charge off a transformer coupled by 90d windings. I can try that when I get back to the bench. I have been throwing tests at the GK4 and the PVC coil. I tend to post the exciting results only. I am glad to see the use of a smaller bulb.
Marco's picture I posted of the early ECD showed danger then and sure enough the experiments that followed later on showed that.
I see nothing wrong with the drawing you have there. I can follow it and will use it.
--giantkiller.
Something else I'd like to add is that this is scalable, and the only thing holding me back from getting much higher output is that I keep frying the pulse/strobe circuit. If someone knows about circuit design, help would be appreciated. it's just a matter of the right resistors and transformers to handle 12V instead of 3V. Then we can have a pure 12 volt system. I've already made "some" progress self charging the system by adding another capacitor connected to the + out and the timer, and then to the 3 AA batteries.
This is starting to look more like E.V. Gray than Steven Mark, but as they say,
"Paths are many, truth is one."
I'll post the strobe circuit today...
peace all!
Well, you draw up a chicken scratch diag and I'll schematic it up for everybody and i'll beef up the values for design for power.
Everybody must realize that the next step past small tests are true power out no matter what the experience, understanding or definition. Stuff comes out.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: singerxyz on November 10, 2007, 08:18:09 AM
Something else I'd like to add is that this is scalable, and the only thing holding me back from getting much higher output is that I keep frying the pulse/strobe circuit. If someone knows about circuit design, help would be appreciated. it's just a matter of the right resistors and transformers to handle 12V instead of 3V. Then we can have a pure 12 volt system. I've already made "some" progress self charging the system by adding another capacitor connected to the + out and the timer, and then to the 3 AA batteries.
This is starting to look more like E.V. Gray than Steven Mark, but as they say,
"Paths are many, truth is one."
I'll post the strobe circuit today...
peace all!
i have some verry simple solutions for somthing like this
i played this game some time ago get rid of the ss i lit 120 vac 60 watt bulbs from 12vdc and a magnetis spark gap
lol its all posted
ist make a bounceing magnetic spark gap use the flux of the mag aginst the coil to produse your pluse lol hummm magnets and coils :o
oh yea i forgot to tell all of you this lol
the aditional flux from the magnet bounceing will also induce a current in the coil thus adding to the output as it bounces duh!!!!!
GiantKiller,
here's my diagram and a 2 pictures (bad pix-my camera focus is screwed up..)
I think if we can scale this up to 12V, we should see some good results ;-)
singerxyz
@singerxyz,
Great. I'll just push the tranny pkg by CE voltage adjustment size up to t-220 for the first step.
Sm stated that he spent hours snipping wire for resonancy. I have my first 4";diam stranded copper 4 turn collector. I am going to wind 30#awg at 120d sizing. Then find the resonancy for that mass. For the math that would be gauge, total length, turn size, # of turns. I can wind at day job. Check resonancy after to match a set of frequencies for the Schuman freq harmonics. Alot of talk about this has happened throughout the threads at OU here. It should be obvious now.
I still feed the OU monkey on my back. I got so many parallels coming to fruition because there are many ways. Class 'A', class 'A/B', class 'B'. HeHeHeHe... I got it all on the bench. Tubes? There are many amps available and to build a osc is no big deal. People tend to apply logic through prejudicial eyes.
--giantkiller. Total fun all the time. :D
Alot of the circuits I see here are linear amplifier circuits. I would like to build a tpu but reinventing the wheel is not a thing I want to do. This unit looks like a radio wave transmitter antennae wrapped around a torroidal coil receiver. Matching the antennae to the input pulse in order to reduce standing waves of radio energy in the transmitting ciruits is a common practice. The geometry of the transmitter receiver is most unique. I believe this unit works on a principle I call quantom desire. (Basically organization of electro-magnetic quantom is intelligent and has it's own will) The kicker pulses allow the electrical quanta to behave as it might in space far removed from the quantom desires of dense highly organized quantom (strong quantom). By propogating and radiating before ambient magnetic fields influence their behaviour the kicker fields travel at the speed of light into the collector. Released from the magnetic influences of the atomic neucleus where they have been spinning and orbiting for millenia. (Now thats energy storage) they move as they will. Placement of a collector winding outside and inside the wrapped collector ring would boost this units output. Once inside the collector it travels through a dense electron rich cloud of like quanta where it finds little magnetic entrapment. Something like being able to run around the edge of a crowd 100 times faster than to move through the crowd. I digress big time. I am sure that someone with a working TPU has data on both the kicker coil configuration or impedance and the corresponding frequency employed to get a good match. This is the vital information and would be most helpful in my build of this unit.
I realize that this information represents years of work but my intention is to build study and scale a TPU. Not for personal gain (I've got enough and been through the patent game a few times. Got one to exchange if you want it) but for my grandchildren and there grandchildren etc. chances at a better life.
Hi giantkiller,
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Sm stated that he spent hours snipping wire for resonancy
SM did spend hours and days, if not years, and he did say it, for fighting what he has discovered, but I don?t recall any document published in this forum mentioning what you said.
I have scanned all my documents collected from this forum and didn?t find it. Can you point me to any document mentioning it? The reason I am asking is that I am also working on a ?kind? of resonance and I would like to read again what SM said about it.
Hi sparks,
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?Once inside the collector it travels through a dense electron rich cloud?.
There is no electron cloud in the solid core. Even so, if there were electron cloud in two first SM?s video, taking such a unit in your hands would disturb it very much and break the unit operation.
Kames.
Quote from: kames on November 10, 2007, 07:46:03 PM
Hi giantkiller,
Sm stated that he spent hours snipping wire for resonancy
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From Kames:
SM did spend hours and days, if not years, and he did say it, for fighting what he has discovered, but I don?t recall any document published in this forum mentioning what you said.
I have scanned all my documents collected from this forum and didn?t find it. Can you point me to any document mentioning it? The reason I am asking is that I am also working on a ?kind? of resonance and I would like to read again what SM said about it.
I caught wind of this somewhere in all the threads. OU also changed blog servers over the past year and also,
unfortunately, posts have also been deleted.
I have a mind like a steel trap when I hear something that fits the current stream I am on.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: zapnic on November 12, 2007, 09:20:48 AM
there is pantent page where is the picture but you have to bey money to see it :P
but there is some thumb images that page
but they all something do with metal detector
and its clue
sm word's
About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on
top of the other, not interleaved.
Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in
parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control
on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around
each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal
collector coils together.
Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly
around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,
then the third.
coil's three of them "horizontal circle wire"
they are creating three magnet pulse "cannon theory"and earth magnetfield respond with Reflected Pulse
and the right frequency its become super powergenerator
and middle of tpu magnetfield is changing rapidly and there is the toroid coil and what happend when magnetfield changes ;D
kicks and electricityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, my fellow pursuers! This is the model I have been working off of for over a year now. This is the semi open model to start from. Just build it and drive it. You will see. After this you just flip things around like no tomorrow. The effects will show what Tesla is talking about. Pump it up! It might not be the finished model but when you see results then you will know what 99.9999999999999999999% of the rest of the world doesn't know!
Stage 1: Just build it.
Stage 2: pulse it incorrectly and blow shit up. Quantifiable results!
Stage 3: pulse it correctly & coordinate the driving configuration.
Stage 3: feedback to recouple the power.
I have been thinking about the difference of the Class 'A' , the Class 'A/B', 'B' and where the wave sits in reference to ground. But then I when one step further. The square pulses intrigued me as to where the radiant energy was coming from or how it was generated. A non-zero crossing wave has fields potentials going in one direction. But when that wave crosses zero the poynting vectors are now in opposition. When square waves are used that are above zero ref. the very high transit of the leading or trailing edge twist the vectors at high speed. This interaction is fiercely in opposition with our level of existance in this physical universe. This is the same as the sine waves crossing the zero ref. The copper is stressed in reverse by the high speed collapsing waves and pushed in the opposite direction. This produces very powerful effects. But if we keep the sine wave above zero reference the field never reverses and we are harmonizing with the level we exist at.
--giantkiller.
As we squeeze the hose the canon balls remain traveling in one direction!.(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D3403.0%3Battach%3D14272&hash=1bfe1babcb23c37085e30238c2bf4eee4c3fada1)
For those of you who kinda understand what GK just said... Remember terminator 3 when she gets magnetized inside the particle accelerator i think the collector coil is your tunnel the ball rolls through and thinking logically it does break COE... for every one pump the flux returned is 2 fold from passing the other coils. think about rolling a magnet sphere in a circle if you pluse it once and at the right increment every revolution your speed will keep increasing, and if your making energy as a byproduct that will increase proportionally with speed... but if speed isn't Dependant upon increased power just the same ammt at the right timing it is feasible to say by providing the kick appropriately the ball could keep rolling indefiantly and at an ever increasing speed. Just like a swing.
;D ;D
now if we could just get passed all the control shit lol
coils and tubes or ss controls
can it be done ;)
i know it can lol
ist
hears the proof lol!!
Looks like solid state to me or that is one hot filament.LOL
So I have alot of configurations to go through. Marco had posted class 'A/B, B' signal generation. Signal above ground reference. I will do that first. The power amplifier that I bought previously is class A/B. Right on target. This now sets the priority for my list. I got xr2206s coming fedx today. So I am back and running.
So by keeping the signal above ground the current only flows in one direction which keeps the field rotating in one direction. Oh phenominal big DUH!
--giantkiller. I believe the end is in sight. Long road, eh?
Ancient techology revealed...
--giantkiller.
Good page to check out
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/HTMLdosya1/NegativeGravitasyonelPropulsi.htm
Talks of electrogravitics but also mentions measuring torus' and magnetic field calculations etc...
"Advanced thinkers in modern physical science, studying earth?s origin,
have theorized the formation of what they call ?vortex rings?, made from
an infinitely fine fundamental substance. They tell us that the tiniest
ring set rotating in the midst of the elemental substance, not subject to
friction, governed by the laws of physics will be indestructible and in
perpetual motion. Allow two such rings to approach each other, and by the
law of attraction, they would combine into a whole.
This theory was offered by purely physical scientists as an ultimate
conclusion to their research. The conclusion is that all forms of Nature
originated in the infinitely minute nucleus of the vortex ring by whatever
power the ring received as its initial impulse. That initial impulse is a
question that physical scientists show no urgency to study."
Troward
GK
Just posted in another thread a theory as to the operation of the TPU that sounds an awful lot like what you posted about. Must be on the same wavelength. Link below to thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3592.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3592.0.html)
I have followed the Gunderson MEG posts intently. They seem to come and go for different reasons. I looks very similar to Leedskalin and Emery transformers.
In 1972 I worked at Keystone transformer company putting together transformers and testing them.
Guess what part I assembled? The ferro plates into the casing channels. This was the preparatory step for the coil bobbin inserts. The keepers were put on next then the case was closed hydralically.
Strange how memories come back and even stranger that I am here in this work now.
Having alot of factory work, I was always investigating the production techniques, assembly worker motions and benches. This is where I learned the most for building.
So with that said, I like to turn rough assemblies into slick solutions.
Here is my current production model for the mass production of the Gunderson MEG. Instead of the keeper on the end I twisted it 90 degress for top and bottom halve assembly. Just loop the copper wire in and put the top on it. This should speed things up. This whole design could be cast, stamped or punched.
--giantkiller.
:)
yesterdays toy my lil heater ;D
just tooo hot to tuch ;D
ist
Quote from: giantkiller on November 13, 2007, 11:11:41 AM
"Advanced thinkers in modern physical science, studying earthââ,¬â,,¢s origin,
have theorized the formation of what they call ââ,¬Å"vortex ringsââ,¬Â, made from
an infinitely fine fundamental substance. They tell us that the tiniest
ring set rotating in the midst of the elemental substance, not subject to
friction, governed by the laws of physics will be indestructible and in
perpetual motion. Allow two such rings to approach each other, and by the
law of attraction, they would combine into a whole.
This theory was offered by purely physical scientists as an ultimate
conclusion to their research. The conclusion is that all forms of Nature
originated in the infinitely minute nucleus of the vortex ring by whatever
power the ring received as its initial impulse. That initial impulse is a
question that physical scientists show no urgency to study."
Troward
Gk,
Remember all the stuff i posted about phi and the golden mean, I do know that vortex's follow that cuve as an ever expanding helix Large hollow conch sea shell is a great visual for it, well just the top but you get the picture. Couple deductions which may be wrong but i wanted to share. Are these rings not subject to friction because they are made up of waves that combine as opposed to ones that would interfere. And on that same token if you were to say find two frequences that interfered would they create heat as a byproduct at a minimal level? Ive never just ran 2 freq's through a coil and measured temp with that concept in mind i wonder what it would yeild. Just an idea. But heres the part that i thought was very simialar to your above words
When these Phi spirals circle around the torus they meet and interfere. As a result of this interference two new additional waves will be created. What is important to notice is that both new waves will have wavelengths that are again in the Fibonacci series. This allows that the interference will be non-destructive since the interference will simply result in more harmonics in the Fibonacci series.
Whilst destructive interference is the norm in wave interference, the only exception in nature is when the waves interfere with Golden Mean ratio wavelengths! In other words, the Phi spiral can re-enter itself around the torus shape without destroying itself. So the Phi spiral is the universeââ,¬â,,¢s only possible way to nest and become self-organizing. This is how stable matter can be formed from electromagnetic energy as a form of pure wave interference.
Electromagnetic energy in a straight line is what we usually call light. When this same light chases its own tail around the surface of the torus shape we call it matter , (YOU SEE GK YOUR SIGNATURE HAS SAID IT ALL ALONG..... Thought you would like this.) Wait a minute.. does that mean i have a refresh rate :o. In other words the atom is pure electromagnetic energy in a form that we no longer perceive as light but as matter, or to put it in Daniel Winterââ,¬â,,¢s own words;
ââ,¬ËœSo now we have this dualism that waves in a line are energy and waves in a circle are mass, and because we donââ,¬â,,¢t know how the wave got into a circle from the line and out, we conceive mass as separate from energy. E=MC^2 simply said that yes loop the speed of light back around on itself, and you made mass of energyââ,¬â,,¢.
The Golden Mean spirals of the torus shape eventually spiral into a perfect zero still point in the nucleus of the vortex that coincides with the nucleus of the atom. So these sine waves implode inwards into increasing smaller wavelengths. The implosion of the Golden sine waves into smaller and smaller wavelengths not only increases the frequency of the waves but also increases the speed of the waves to become super-luminal waves (travelling faster than light). According to Daniel Winter, this is what gravity really is, the cascade of Golden Mean electromagnetic sine waves that gain an ever-increasing velocity breaking the speed barrier of light. Einstein had always assumed that electromagnetism and gravity were related and Daniel Winter explains us how this connection is established.
@LocalJoe,
Absolutely. It is the law of diminishing power as the energy travels away through the distance. We, our physical matter, only exist in an infantismally small slice of this immensely wide spectrum of the moving force. We are always trying to inject control at some point. Prior attempts are our creating detonations that our eyes and ears can see. But these are on the downside or backside of our presence. When we attempt to use controls from the upside or beginning of our toolset we can better affect the downside or backside of the point at which we are attempting to control. Same as cell phone, and fm freqencies not cutting out when we go under a bridge but am radio signals disappear. Same as microwaving food. Higher energy at a lower target. And what about lower energies pointing at a higher target? Like a stone skipping across water.
So having said that I will introduce the future to now.
I met with mining engineers from the school of Mines in Golden. Their concern was retrieving lost miners after a collapse event (cave in). They were trying to devise a safety product. I could see their attempts had numerous errors because of the resistance of rock above the event. Huge amount of problems still not circumnavigated by all the currently accepted technology available. I told them I could put a GK4 on every miner and that when set to 'on' this would produce a signal that could read by satellites no matter the depth of the collapse. Is this a fantastic claim? Not according to Tesla...
So instead of combatting the auto industry or the oil cartel, which will get you dead, I am approaching the industrial safety avenue. This activity is requires strict adherance through OSHA and other organizations of other countries. Radient energy can by gotten to the public application this way. ;)
I am also prototyping the BFG2000 at this time. It is the applications of 3 frequencies against any matter. I am using the Keely Liberator configuration. This should prove interesting. 8)
--giantkiller. Dream big or live a nightmare.
Giantkiller,
I have noticed that you seem to use more then one turn in your collector coils. If so, have you also tried a single turn like Otto has? I much appreciate your earlier postings of your work on this.
Just a general statement that some people have been talking about transit time being must faster in tubes. Does it really matter if we are dealing with sub or even a few mhz switching times.
Also, how can I post a reply to a particular message. I feel stupid for not knowing how to do it yet like so many of you have.
John
Quote from: John M on November 14, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
Giantkiller,
I have noticed that you seem to use more then one turn in your collector coils. If so, have you also tried a single turn like Otto has? I much appreciate your earlier postings of your work on this.
Just a general statement that some people have been talking about transit time being must faster in tubes. Does it really matter if we are dealing with sub or even a few mhz switching times.
Also, how can I post a reply to a particular message. I feel stupid for not knowing how to do it yet like so many of you have.
John
Hit the 'quote' in the upper right of the message.
I used one turn in the mobius ECD. That was per the doco.
A couple of posts ago I posted the use of 4 turn 16g speaker pair. That gives 4 edges. Like square copper. Sm said some in series and some in parallel. They all give results. TaDa!
--giantkiller.
Ok so basically id like to liquefy stone on demand ;D ...Kidding. Take your device, the bfg2000 but add this GK, and I don't want money, just throw me a bone for the concept if you get big.
If the liberator can produce generic freq that can be used on whatever matter this wouldn't be useful for the destroying or dissoicating part, and it would be way more work if theres already a logic construct to go off of, but it may open the doors to transmutation of elemental structure. So if there were a form of matter that was readily changeable once one or two of the 3 forces were released or put in bypass we could say.
1) Point BFG at matter whatever it may be, sensor program uses primary emmiter, bombards matter with single freq sweep until first resonate freq/chord is determined. Some means of a collector will need to be devised, think of shooting a laser at window catching the refraction on a pv cell and evaluating the laser as the carrier and the refraction as the modulated carrier, The difference of the two yields sound/audio in this sense but could be modified with a different carrier means to do this freq acquisition function.
2)Sensor program locks first freq/chord and starts bombarding target matter with first locked freq and using secondary emmiter sweeps to find second resonate freq
3) After sensor program locks both first and second freq directly scanning for the third may be dangerous while emmiting the first two for fear of being blown up. After finding the first 2 freq/chords, it would be more advantageous to have a set calculation that could find the 3rd variable based off the first two. This may take a great deal more understanding of how these three binding forces freq/chord values correlate to the elements on the periodic table and the and if there is a set ratio to work from once you have a starting point. So what I gathered from keely is it was essential to use 3 freq/chord's to dissociate matter or whatever he called his liberating process of the
I. The Radiative : called also the `Dispersing,' the `Propulsive,' the `Positive,' and the `Enharmonic.'
II. The Focalising: called also the `Negative,' the `Negative Attractive,' the `Polarising,' and the `Harmonic.'
III. The Dominant: called also the `Etheric,' or the `Celestial.'
So theres my idea for a differential targeting computer for means of dissociating or reorganizing matter
It is confusing to find the word chord mixed up with freq here and there and the only thing i could make of it is maybe their implying 3 notes in a chord create a single freq. Delving a bit deeper that would mean that an a 432 tuning has to be used other wise the freq of the notes would not be constructive interference within each chord, in an a musical sense. Taking that into account it would be interesting to see what notes in what chords added to what frequencies in this a 432 tuning and if the fit the formula progression 1/ ä, 1, ä, ä Ã,², ä Ã,³ . Keely's work mentions this a 432 concert tuning .
@Localjoe,
These are exactly the specs of frequencies I have been collecting.
Numerous posters have posted frequency combinations that makes a 3 frequency device possible for testing.
We shall see. This is the only place on the planet where this concert is going on. And I like that.
So we will prove or disprove any and all. Or whatever is tested.
Right now I sum all 3 channels together through a 60 watt Fender amp while sending each channel to a TPU segment.
So I have a Triade channel TPU driver with audio feedback! This is a first... Freakin' cool, eh? This is what should have been in the SM videos.
RCA comin' home to roost.
--je'an kilar.
Thanks GK I don't feel as alone in this crazy world of thought, what we do well here is accumulate knowledge without prejudice or pre tense holding us back from evaluating data to find our answer. As far as your fender setup, its gotta be interesting to hear how some combinations react while comparing the tpu readings in relation to the sound. Such a short time of research and such a wealth of knowledge that sinks in a little more each day in its own way. The concert here is great The Band just came off stage and they were singing that song .. take a load off fannie was it 8). Well going go back to the show have a good night all.
Joe
For fun I mixed 432 and 695 out of my pc freq generator program and unless im crazy it sounds like it just keeps getting louder and building in strength and ive got the volume pretty low. Someone else want to tell me what they think when they try this please so I don't feel insane.... Make sure to leave on for at least 30 to 40 seconds for full effect. I took 432 and multiplied it by 1.61 phi and thats what it did....
Quote from: Localjoe on November 14, 2007, 09:06:10 PM
Thanks GK I don't feel as alone in this crazy world of thought, what we do well here is accumulate knowledge without prejudice or pre tense holding us back from evaluating data to find our answer. As far as your fender setup, its gotta be interesting to hear how some combinations react while comparing the tpu readings in relation to the sound. Such a short time of research and such a wealth of knowledge that sinks in a little more each day in its own way. The concert here is great The Band just came off stage and they were singing that song .. take a load off fannie was it 8). Well going go back to the show have a good night all.
Joe
For fun I mixed 432 and 695 out of my pc freq generator program and unless im crazy it sounds like it just keeps getting louder and building in strength and ive got the volume pretty low. Someone else want to tell me what they think when they try this please so I don't feel insane.... Make sure to leave on for at least 30 to 40 seconds for full effect. I took 432 and multiplied it by 1.61 phi and thats what it did....
I never changed the volume on my Bose test and could raise and lower the amplitude. And when you heterodyne the 3 just right, then walls of your house talk to you. At that point you get a great appreciation for Stonehenge / Soundhenge. Your house rocks!
--giantkiller. Better to build bridges than dream of rainbows.
I tried a notched TPU segment hooked to a TPU segment summing connection to the Fender amp. This gives a lower than 4ohm run. No go. I will to build a seperate set of Class 'A' amps to drive the summing circuit to the amp.
When this is done my next step, using the PVC notched coil, is to drive the top and bottom Helmholtz's with the heterodyned effect of the middle collector. Patch off the middle collector and connect that to the top and bottom Helmoltz's as tuning forks. We will see.
--giantkiller. And eventually a Youtube video.
A chirp in the coil is better than 2 birds in a thread. ;)
I will call this setup Soundhenge.
This Keely based TPU driver console produced results immediately, right out of the chute. An amazing tool.
--giantkiller.
GK
I believe you are on the right path, and are succeeding where others have not. Taking it back to the basics. I would like to point out a few things that may or may not help you in your investigation.
1) TPU builders tend to go about finding the correct frequencies in an incorrect way.
a. Do not start with the three frequencies, this is the last step.
b. Find the natural resonant frequency of the Collector coil. The longer the coil, the lower the resonant point. Shorter coil, higher resonant point. Either way, we are way out of the audible range, so your musical TPU will give you the mathematics and ratios, but will not give you the exact frequencies you need.
c. When you have established this, you now have a solid starting point. This is the frequency you need the other 2 of the three to add up to. Your input frequencies should be in direct relation to the resonant frequency of your collectors physical resonant frequency.
d. Once you have established which three frequencies you want to run through your input coils (which add to give the resonant frequency of the collector, in rotation) you need to cut the input coils to be the correct physical size to give these resonant frequencies. It is not enough to force a correct frequency through the inputs, the signal you put into the inputs has to match the physical parameters of the input coils themselves.
2) Recognize what happens when you use different signals
a. The greatest clue here comes from Avramenko?s plug, though Tesla taught this decades before. If you have a transformer (which the TPU is) and you use AC signal to drive input, output will be AC. If you use pulse DC current, you will have a polarized secondary (which is the equivalent of the collector coil on TPU). This means that you will have a positive side to the collector secondary, and you will have a negative side to the collector or secondary.
b. If you choose to use Positive pulses, you will find that the secondary will try and strip electrons from the environment around it, it will seek the negative element from its surroundings to neutralize the positive element you introduced. If the voltages are high enough, you will notice an effect called ?electrostatic cooling? which has been observed for quite a while, but for some reason, no connections made. Electrostatic cooling is a negentropy, by which we ?starve? a component with high voltage positive, and it will suck in energy from around it, cooling.
Have a look at patent 568,177. This is Teslas Apparatus for producing Ozone. You will find a DC pulsed Primary, that creates a polarized secondary, which has its ends opposed to create ozone. The air inbetween the ends of the secondary represents the load, and the work done is in the production of ozone. You could also drive a motor, or other equipment instead of air. Telsa lived breathed ate drank and slept resonance, they physical parameters always match the signal being feed through them.
You will also notice that this system is not OU, but with a key tweak IS! He overtly says in this patent exactly the components needed for OU, and the schematic shows perfectly how they should be setup. It?s a wonder nobody ever really, and I mean really reads the words of the people who tought the people we are trying to copy! Why go to SM? Why go to Grey? Why go to moray? They learned from the masters?.perhaps we should to, instead of starting the race one step removed.
GK
What you are saying is that if you put the tpu in a pyramid it becomes a power plant.
If you put it inside a stonehendge it becomes a power plant. Thick dense crystalline structures hard to pull electrons out of. The pyramids and the stonhendge are ancient power plants for a civilization that had advanced to our present state of technology with advent of the tpu. They are what is left of both a containment system control system and distribution system for energy. The egyptians used them to bury their politicians in. The myan indians used them to slaughter people on top of. They are found on all seven continents some of them in various shapes of degredation. They are in minnesota south america cambodia china egypt. The power of the tpu is awesome. For those of you who are attempting to replicate or have a tpu that worked please put aside the back engineering process. I applaud you on your efforts for keeping this thing alive out there but this tpu technology needs to be refined and operated safely. We need to start backengineering the pyramids now.
The tpu collects energy by initiating an electronic vortex right where you want one. Not in the core of the earth or the sun. The faster the electrons go inside the collector the more gravitational pull. The magnetic shell that is induced by the vortex takes on the form of earth's magnetosphere. and makes the electrons drawn to the vortex slide along it's shell and enter the collector in such a way that it strengthens the vortex. Control of the system is by limiting the amount of electrons free to travel to the vortex and by drawing off power to regulate the strength of the vortex.
If you have any interest in the future of the human race detach yourself from your daily rat race for a few moments and cut and copy this and send it to everyone you love and ask that they do the same. Send it to newspapers television stations. Print it burn it onto cd's. Talk to your professors about it. If you have no interest in a better world go back to the rat race and be a pawn for the existing people who control our dwindling energy supplies. Let our children die and starve for the last drops of oil. Do it now while the freedom of the internet exists. DO IT FOR YOUR KIDS. What the hell it's only a click away.
think LEGACY.
GK
What you are saying is that if you put the tpu in a pyramid it becomes a power plant.
If you put it inside a stonehendge it becomes a power plant. Thick dense crystalline structures hard to pull electrons out of. The pyramids and the stonhendge are ancient power plants for a civilization that had advanced to our present state of technology with advent of the tpu. They are what is left of both a containment system control system and distribution system for energy. The egyptians used them to bury their politicians in. The myan indians used them to slaughter people on top of. They are found on all seven continents some of them in various shapes of degredation. They are in minnesota south america cambodia china egypt. The power of the tpu is awesome. For those of you who are attempting to replicate or have a tpu that worked please put aside the back engineering process. I applaud you on your efforts for keeping this thing alive out there but this tpu technology needs to be refined and operated safely. We need to start backengineering the pyramids now.
The tpu collects energy by initiating an electronic vortex right where you want one. Not in the core of the earth or the sun. The faster the electrons go inside the collector the more gravitational pull. The magnetic shell that is induced by the vortex takes on the form of earth's magnetosphere. and makes the electrons drawn to the vortex slide along it's shell and enter the collector in such a way that it strengthens the vortex. Control of the system is by limiting the amount of electrons free to travel to the vortex and by drawing off power to regulate the strength of the vortex.
If you have any interest in the future of the human race detach yourself from your daily rat race for a few moments and cut and copy this and send it to everyone you love and ask that they do the same. Send it to newspapers television stations. Print it burn it onto cd's. Talk to your professors about it. If you have no interest in a better world go back to the rat race and be a pawn for the existing people who control our dwindling energy supplies. Let our children die and starve for the last drops of oil. Do it now while the freedom of the internet exists. DO IT FOR YOUR KIDS. What the hell it's only a click away.
think LEGACY.
in my opinion
stonehenge is far from understud yet ;)
and we just cant understand the tpu yet so dont even think of stonehenge
focous on what has been learned so far to progress there was only 1 man that could have built this unit and we know who it was ;)
ist
Where did all the capstone pieces go that aren't on top any more?
On the ground? No. Some where else? Anything in the history that speaks of recycle?
--giantkiller.
hummmm the cap stones lol
what might happin when they are in place ??
and all the proper componments alinged
hummmmmm
but this the TPU place lol
ist
Well ive been testing my formula theory in the sense of summing different freq's with the formula i posted. Chek out this pic and im not an expert by any means but when i sum those three it give this wave a bounce its weird anyways if you cant tell from my screen shot get that little progran on the tpu tools forurm i found here and try summing 432 695 and 1801 the bounce im talking about is there with all three of them but when you change 695 to 694.5 it sems to tighten it up. see below
And heres the math i used to get these values. ;D
@gk + devilsangel
unity pride battle joint pride unity
eden serpent chaos humility eden
Does this make sense
Quote from: Localjoe on November 17, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
Well ive been testing my formula theory in the sense of summing different freq's with the formula i posted. Chek out this pic and im not an expert by any means but when i sum those three it give this wave a bounce its weird anyways if you cant tell from my screen shot get that little progran on the tpu tools forurm i found here and try summing 432 695 and 1801 the bounce im talking about is there with all three of them but when you change 695 to 694.5 it sems to tighten it up. see below
I get these on my scope, no sweat, using my Keely device.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: sparks on November 17, 2007, 02:22:47 PM
@gk + devilsangel
unity pride battle joint pride unity
eden serpent chaos humility eden
Does this make sense
Yes. It shows connection in serial / horizontal & parallel / Vertical.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on November 17, 2007, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on November 17, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
Well ive been testing my formula theory in the sense of summing different freq's with the formula i posted. Chek out this pic and im not an expert by any means but when i sum those three it give this wave a bounce its weird anyways if you cant tell from my screen shot get that little progran on the tpu tools forurm i found here and try summing 432 695 and 1801 the bounce im talking about is there with all three of them but when you change 695 to 694.5 it sems to tighten it up. see below
I get these on my scope, no sweat, using my Keely device.
--giantkiller.
Sorry,
I thought i had found an interesting effect but my knowledge in wave forms how they are created and there effects on each other is limited. Thanks for taking the time to check it out for me tho GK. :)
Quote from: Localjoe on November 18, 2007, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on November 17, 2007, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on November 17, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
Well ive been testing my formula theory in the sense of summing different freq's with the formula i posted. Chek out this pic and im not an expert by any means but when i sum those three it give this wave a bounce its weird anyways if you cant tell from my screen shot get that little progran on the tpu tools forurm i found here and try summing 432 695 and 1801 the bounce im talking about is there with all three of them but when you change 695 to 694.5 it sems to tighten it up. see below
I get these on my scope, no sweat, using my Keely device.
--giantkiller.
Sorry,
I thought i had found an interesting effect but my knowledge in wave forms how they are created and there effects on each other is limited. Thanks for taking the time to check it out for me tho GK. :)
But now you know you got these too. Press on to make your unknown known.
It's all good. Others have to see too.
-giantkiller.
in looking around about stone henge i found a nice dwg of it
some may find it intresting
ist
Stonehenge is great, but why on earth did they build it so close to that busy road.
The Rodin people should get a kick out of that geometry.....nother clue
How much does anybody want to bet that the center pieces are a resonant balun. Very high frequency tuning forks? And that the height of the monoliths react like Telsa RE receivers? Which leads me to think that the vibratory sympathetics only affect things that stand up?
That TPU must really sing...
--giantkiller. ET phone home.
Wow, what the hell is that? =o Keep up the good work, giantkiller!
3 collectors with 3 segments, 12 - 90 degree ECD-like edges.
There will be 9 - 350 turn controls.
I made a command decision.
2 of the collectors will have 3 sine wave frequencies heterodyned into one chord, 2 different chords.
The 3rd one will have a square wave. I can do whatever I need once certain build steps are done. It's all in fun and totally open.
So I believe the control coils have to have a resonancy to something. The segments could each match a frequency of the heterodyne or the heterodyne itself.
I decided to fill the segment with windings equally to start off with.
Alot of things with copper work.
--giantkiller.
yup...
Any size controls, any 3 frequencies, I can heterodyne a resonant freq to the collector.
The notched PVC is on the bench and hooked up. I will try that.
--giantkiller. Lost with all the options. :D
OH, MY GAWD!!!
Yer' Serious!
Hey GK. I got somebody I want to be rid of. Can you point that thing somewhere if I ask? Maybe lower Manhattan?
Sheez! Ifn' something doesn't want to resonate where you want it just threaten it with that thing! I bet it'll sing whatever tune you ask!
My stage name will be KIller Elvis! And I will literally blow away hecklers and the whole audience too!
Keely tried alot of things for alot of years in an incomplete environment. We are where our dreams are way beyond technology. But things are catching up.
I leave my class 'A's on for hours and they just get warm. Now ain't that an R&Ds engr dream come true.
I did what Bolt said and just tapped off the signals with resistors and caps to the Fender amp. So now I have less to build. The Class 'A's are still in the breadboard. I have to move that out to protoboard.
So now I go to the next step. As always.
I will resonant the collector. My thoughts were not there but to cause a magnetic resonation in the center. I have been modelling this in winamp. 8) I made an MP3 of tpusings#6 and play that in winamp with the visualizer turned on. I wanna see. My voice is in it but the resonation and thumping still come through.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: armagdn03 on November 19, 2007, 09:06:24 AM
The Rodin people should get a kick out of that geometry.....nother clue
Patterns! Patterns!
My sister-in-law was facinated by the pattern of her spilled Cherios on my kitchen floor. Earlier I had to paint 'TGIF' on the rear of her shoes (Toes Go In First)
There is a pattern in everything. If you don't see it you aren't looking close enough :)
yup...
;D
my latest mess ...... only half dressed lol
ist
ill throw in a few more cents lol
2012 DoomsDay or what we call it lol
why does the myian calender end and all the other numerous predictions end in 2012
hummmm ........ is it that hard lol!!
time is no longer recorded why?? ?? ??
cuz then there was time travel duh!!!
Histeam
unless..... we all give up .... and let the world go to hell in a hand basket....
ever wonder why we try??
well i got her all dressed up but you cant take her out :D just a wee bit shy yet ;)
:)
she's up dressed and ready to play
ist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsGqymRcpKQ&feature=related
Quote from: Grumpy on November 19, 2007, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on November 19, 2007, 09:11:54 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on November 19, 2007, 08:08:12 PM
...
So I believe the control coils have to have a resonancy to something.
...
Why not resonant with the collector?
Let me try a different approach to broaden our thinking:
Suppose the collector is a tuning fork. How do you make it vibrate?
1. you bring another tuning fork of the same fundamental freq near the collector and the collector will start to ring too.
2. you smack the tuning fork (collector) and it will start to ring at it's own fundamental freq.
3. you make an air column (organ pipe) and blow air into it to resonate it at the fundamental of the fork (collector) and the collector rings
compiling these three into one we get something like "vibration of the medium will induce vibration in that which is tuned to the frequency of medium" (provided it can couple to the medium). The medium for a tuning fork or air column is "air".
Once the "air" is vibrating, all forks within a suitable range will vibrate together - louder and louder - of course they have mass and eventually stop vibrating.
How do you vibrate the "medium" that encompasses the collector?
EDIT: use "dielectric" and you get the "magnetic" for free (via the propagating wave front ala disturbence in the medium) and you don't have to time it so critically
How do you vibrate the "medium" that encompasses the collector?
Lol,
the way we have been doing it all along! How does a tesla coil work? both primary and secondary are resonantly tuned. When we proad the first, does the second not sing? which brings me to a question maybe you guys can help me with....
the other day I tried to build a tesla coil.
I slaped together a primary, to a secondary I had laying around.
Put together all the fancy driving circuitry,
and tried different frequencies.
moderate results, more like failure, It did not work....................
Where did I go wrong?
On another note:
Diamagnetism is caused by induction of circular (eddy) electric currents within some materials, copper being one of them. As an external magnetic field approaches copper (let copper stand in for any diamagnetic material), eddy currents induced within copper create their own magnetic field, which always opposes the polarity of the induction field. Therefore the copper is temporarily repulsed by the approaching external magnetic field, disregards its polarity. This repulsion eventually disappears as the eddy currents within cease to flow. Once the magnetic field is being withdrawn from the copper, the diamagnetism reverses and now the copper follows, or appears to be attracted by the external magnetic field. This is the underlying principle behind the Lenz Law effect in copper coil assisted standard power generation.
Ferromagnetism is again caused by induced eddy currents within the ferromagnetic material (let iron stand for all ferromagnetic materials). The differences between diamagnetism and ferromagnetism are as follows:
Iron material structure organizes itself under the influence of an external magnetic field for the duration of that influence, as opposed to diamagnetism.
Ferromagnetism is always attractive, as opposed to diamagnetism, which is directionally alternating.
Iron has the capacity to grossly enhance the density of the external magnetic field, as opposed to diamagnetism, which never even matches the density of the external field. The ferromagnetic enhancement is caused by domain restructuring. While diamagnetism only induces eddies in the existing crystalline structure, ferromagnetism also changes the material structure by blocks (domains).
http://keelynet.com/unclass/magcurnt.txt (http://keelynet.com/unclass/magcurnt.txt)
Quote from: innovation_station on November 19, 2007, 07:47:22 AM
in looking around about stone henge i found a nice dwg of it
some may find it intresting
ist
Id have to side with this one .... looks like a big resonator in the middle I found this doing some phi research weird where things lead ya.
Quote from: Erfinder on November 20, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on November 20, 2007, 01:39:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsGqymRcpKQ&feature=related
Thank you!
Sure!
Oddly enough these vids came up with the search on Victor Schauberger and Walter Russell. Both of which are a must reading! Russell & I both had multiple near-death experiences. The experience puts one in a special place of thinking. He nailed it right on the head. I was level 1 all 3 times.
--giantkiller.
The designers of Stonehenge, and other geometrical ?oddities? did not separate mind body and soul. That is they had no distinction between philosophy, the physical world, their observations, and their religious beliefs.
Because of this all encompassing viewpoint, their creations represented a culmination of their entire knowledge, not one aspect of it. This is true of many of our revered fathers of science, though we do not tend to recognize this fact. As scientists, we cannot discount religion, for in doing so we immediately toss aside possible explanations, and from the get go we are not doing real science.
Some may think that to include religion in scientific explanations is pointless since they disagree?..Do they? If they do then we have something wrong with one dogma or the other. If there is one reality, there is one truth, this should encompass all, not refract it into smaller segments, with rules that apply only in one domain. I would argue that one of the greatest scientists of all time was Jesus?..think about it.
We will probably not understand Stonehenge until shift our view point. The closest we may come is a mathematical explanation, since math is the language of the universe, but we do not know what aspects of the universe the math represents?..
Some of the best advice I ever got??..I wont mention any names?? was to build with the tools and materials the creators had at their disposal. This forces you into solving technical problems with creative inventive means, and makes one really get into the heart of a working model.
I can tell you that there have been people on this website who have real working devices, but to post them would be pointless. People may recreate, may even get some results, but they will never understand the true principles unless they look at the world through the eyes of a child?clich? I know, but to see the world as one is pretty powerful shit!
I was never religious, until I delved so deep into finding my one question?.what is energy?.I defy you to answer?.
" I have many things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now," - JC
vortex stuff
http://www.vortexpluswater.com/vortex_mechanics.htm
Quote from: zapnic on November 21, 2007, 12:12:00 PM
vortex stuff
http://www.vortexpluswater.com/vortex_mechanics.htm
Awsome find man ive been researching a lot of similar things
Again great find on the phi stuff, hopefully folks are realizing
the implications... as well a lot of the links are down on that page so save what you will to hard disk.
we have all done some of the gratest work ever and we dont know it yet ;)
it is time for me to step into the perfect harmonic perfection phase of the journey i have never got this far b4 until now ;D
so be it
ist
back to the bench
Quote from: armagdn03 on November 20, 2007, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on November 19, 2007, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on November 19, 2007, 09:11:54 PM
Quote from: giantkiller link=topic=3354.msg60088#msg60088 ate=1195520892
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So I believe the control coils have to have a resonancy to something.
...
Why not resonant with the collector?
Let me try a different approach to broaden our thinking:
Suppose the collector is a tuning fork. How do you make it vibrate?
1. you bring another tuning fork of the same fundamental freq near the collector and the collector will start to ring too.
2. you smack the tuning fork (collector) and it will start to ring at it's own fundamental freq.
3. you make an air column (organ pipe) and blow air into it to resonate it at the fundamental of the fork (collector) and the collector rings
compiling these three into one we get something like "vibration of the medium will induce vibration in that which is tuned to the frequency of medium" (provided it can couple to the medium). The medium for a tuning fork or air column is "air".
Once the "air" is vibrating, all forks within a suitable range will vibrate together - louder and louder - of course they have mass and eventually stop vibrating.
How do you vibrate the "medium" that encompasses the collector?
EDIT: use "dielectric" and you get the "magnetic" for free (via the propagating wave front ala disturbence in the medium) and you don't have to time it so critically
How do you vibrate the "medium" that encompasses the collector?
Lol,
the way we have been doing it all along! How does a tesla coil work? both primary and secondary are resonantly tuned. When we proad the first, does the second not sing? which brings me to a question maybe you guys can help me with....
the other day I tried to build a tesla coil.
I slaped together a primary, to a secondary I had laying around.
Put together all the fancy driving circuitry,
and tried different frequencies.
moderate results, more like failure, It did not work....................
Where did I go wrong?
Found a link ... Complete plans for a DIY Telsa Coil Tuner!
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_tesla_coil_tuner.htm
Lol, I was alluding to what most tpu people do wrong, I didnt really build a tesla coil. The tuning circuit is nothing without the physical perameters
yup..
Quote from: Grumpy on November 21, 2007, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: armagdn03 on November 21, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
Lol, I was alluding to what most tpu people do wrong, I didnt really build a tesla coil. The tuning circuit is nothing without the physical perameters
The TPU and Tesla's Transformers are nothing without the "medium".
If the detectove work on the first TPU is correct and the control coils are "bifilar" (cancelling) - why? The capacitance is increased and the inductance is cancelled. Does this increase propagation velocity for the impulse in the control coils?
So, how do we "kick" the medium itself?
My friend, you are looking for the awnser where it cannot be found. the awnser is not complicated, it is not about "propagation velocity" the bifilar coil when coiled in the right way, is a capacitor rather than an inductor.....again.....and agian.....and agian....tesla already developed this technology....and gave it too us in his patents. why re-invent the wheel when we do not even understand it yet?
How do we kick the medium?.........again why look for complicated awnsers to very simple questions?
Happy Thanksgiving to those who partake. :)
--giantkilller. This one is definately life changing for me.
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yup...
Im very far from having all of the awnsers, but point well taken. My understanding as it now stands, is merely a collection of "awnsers" I have learned from others smarter than I.
I supose I simply get frustrated when people repetedly ask the same questions over and over without stoping to think about what they are asking, or without searching for the awnsers themselves when they are all around.
Im sorry I came off as a smart ass, and will try to avoid this in the future. I think ill go back to fly on the wall mode for a while and simply observe this forum rather than add, much the way I started here, I guess life like all else manifests in cycles.
Happy thanks giving to all who celebrate!
:)
--giantkiller.
so i built this little cridder today
and hooked it up to my scope and it was well neat what i saw to say the least i just plused it with 1 freq it is tuned compleatly by length of wire controls = collector in length 1st coil is 7.5 ' second is 15 3rd is 22.5' collector is 45 ' all wire same ga 24 ga
just trying things out ;)
ist
yup...
Yup! Budweiser ;D
18 pak 2 hot dogs chips and 3 hershey bars.
Now,,,,, more bud
thaelin
Quote from: giantkiller on November 22, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to those who partake. :)
--giantkilller. This one is definately life changing for me.
After watching the hang drum video... I need one now... way too cool. My father has a booth at the NAMM Show this year and i asked him to get some info for me and to see if anyone there knew how to get on a list or if purchase was available. Figured thats as good a shot as any if anyone else has the yearning msg me and i'll tell ya how it goes when i find out. On second note... I cant seem to get this picture out of my mind of a bunch of natives in Stonehenge with Didgeridoo's.... go figure
Joe
No kidding, those hang drums are amazing, an earie beuty really.
@gk,
have you tried wrapping a rodin coil around a ferrite coil? just my stupid thought of the day. but, if you can manipulate the frequency fields with your controler and, dr stiffler's or emdevices cirquits could be put togeather with your ability's?
i think you might have it!!!!!
lol
sam
lol @ sam
still miles to go no?
lol
ist
i just cant figure out how the harmonics fit
or do they? but then agin how might they work with stone henge ;)
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@ Acer
What do you think of page 26 where i put that pic sideways i think theres 1 vortex per force so 2 total think about it.... tell me what you think.
Joe
@the group mindest,
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csupomona.edu%2F%7Edmgrasmick%2Fmu330%2Fbrassgrafx%2Fgrafx%2FAlphorn.gif&hash=010eff9d055ddb80815e16330de526ca7cc7b24a)
So let's put an alphorn in each external slot of the stone henge facing in. Let the heterodyning effect hit the center stone balun. When the center stones ring the power effect in the middle should disinigrate any matter. Or what else? Send a harmonic through the universe? With harmonics of that size the frequencies should lift matter.
@IS,
Nice snag on the Stonehenge, dude.
--giantkiller.
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Secrets of Sacred Space
by Chuck Pettis
published by Llewellyn Publications
ISBN 1-56718-519-3
I found some construction details in leedskins stuff, could prove useful. I think i might have to make this tonight its cold outside...
While reading this think of the speaker vortex video with the magnets for electroysis.. also claims that steel wire is the way to go and i believe it after initial test with a few assorted items way bigger spark off the wire and or transference of energy off of a transformer ;D ;D ;D
To get more magnet out of a coil put the coil in steel or iron tube, then the
tube outside the coil will be a magnet the same as the coil's core, but the
magnet poles will be opposite. it means at the same coil end if the core end
is North Pole the tube end will be South Pole. In this way you will get almost
again as much magnet out of the coil and in the core and tube. You can do
better yet, join one end of the coil's core end with the same metal, joining
core with tube. make two holes in end of metal for the coil wire ends to go
out, fasten a ring on top, now you have the most "effigy client"{ This is from one of his original writings and somebody obscoured these words... logical deduction tells me it means energy efficient} electric magnet
for lifting purposes. It wastes no magnets that come from your battery or
dynamo.
I just have to say I love you guys! I love your train of thought, and openmindedness. I wish you all the best of luck. To master nature, one must learn to work with her.
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?creative vortex?
It is a turbine effect in SM?s case. It is not a vortex. Do you see the difference?
Kames.
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dont you guys think the corel castle symbel and rodins math symbel are much the same??
ist
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cant wait to hear what he has to say. This is why this is the only thread I still truely follow on this forum.
i dont think he can answer the questions you will ask him ;)
why??
cuz if he could he would know how to build it himself and explain it fully and he has not done this in his 40 some videos
the only people that can answer the questions that will be asked is some one who has studyed teslas work and understod what he has done so many years ago
nope i cant answer thease questions eather
altho im sure some can but i happen to think there is only a small handful that may actually know
so the question arises agin " what is electricty" answer this and i think you have all your answers ;)
ist
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@all
Why not to leave this thread for Giantkiller and open another thread for discussing Rodin stuff as might be related to tpu. I hate myself when I am posting something in a wrong thread but at least trying not to continue it. Otherwise, this thread will be hijacked by other ideas, like it happened many times. I disagree with a lot of things that GK is saying but some of his ideas are very interesting for me and I would like him keep posting his ideas instead of reading endless other things.
Kames.
With Moray generators as power sources and multiply deployed reentry vehicles with scalar antennas and transmitters, ICBM reentry systems now can become long range "blasters" of the target areas, from thousands of kilometers distance (figure 14). Literally, "Star Wars" is liberated by the Tesla technology. And in air attack, jammers and ECM aircraft now become "Tesla blasters." With the Tesla technology, emitters become primary fighting components of stunning power.
The potential peaceful implications of Tesla waves are also enormous. By utilizing the "time squeeze" effect, one can get antigravity, materialization and dematerialization, transmutation, and mindboggling medical benefits. One can also get subluminal and superluminal communication, see through the earth and through the ocean, etc. The new view of phi-field also provides a unified field theory, higher orders of reality, and a new super-relativity. Looks like the GK4 will work in the mines deep under ground.
In the pulse mode, a single intense 3-dimensional scalar phi-field pulse form is fired, using two truncated Fourier transforms, each involving several frequencies, to provide the proper 3-dimensional shape (Figure 10). This is why two scalar antennas separated by a baseline are required. After a time delay calculated for the particular target, a second and faster pulse form of the same shape is fired from the interferometer antennas. The second pulse overtakes the first, catching it over the target zone and pair-coupling with it to instantly form a violent EMP of ordinary vector (Hertzian) electromagnetic energy. There is thus no vector transmission loss between the howitzer and the burst. Further, the coupling time is extremely short, and the energy will appear sharply in an "electromagnetic pulse (EMP)" strikingly similar to the 2-pulsed EMP of a nuclear weapon.
From Tom Beardens Site:
http://www.cheniere.org/books/part1/teslaweapons.htm
We have the technology to make this place a peaceful one. I also see multiple frequencies used. Heterodyning is the wave of the future.
--giantkiller.
So in 1943 the government tests some facet of Tesla technology on the U.S.S. Eldrige on the Delaware river. They thought they had it under control.
Then for the next 4 years the MIB hone down the effects to produce only the required scalar waves necessary for skyward defense under the blanket guise of 'Cold War' tactics.
The MIB make the technology smaller and portable.
In 1947 in the desert north of Roswell a UFO crashes, brought down by scalar interferometry. The MIB now have the required technology for the next leap into the future. Area 51, the transistor, kevlar, microwave ovens, velcro, silicon etching. Sure did come about fast. RCA was a big player.
All possible by using Tesla scalar wave technology and in the right time frame. Not so far fetched now is it?
--giantkiller. It's not enough to just stand and stare...
Quote from: innovation_station on November 26, 2007, 06:26:12 PM
i dont think he can answer the questions you will ask him ;)
why??
cuz if he could he would know how to build it himself and explain it fully and he has not done this in his 40 some videos
the only people that can answer the questions that will be asked is some one who has studyed teslas work and understod what he has done so many years ago
nope i cant answer thease questions eather
altho im sure some can but i happen to think there is only a small handful that may actually know
so the question arises agin " what is electricty" answer this and i think you have all your answers ;)
ist
I would say that awnsers are rarely blatantly given, for if they were we would only superficially understand the awnser. In using your own intelect to apply the awnser, you will have far greater understanding. Rodins math is a gift, and it is up to us to apply it. If he cannot awnser your questions, maybe you are asking the wrong questions.
in reply to my own reply.... ::).....innovation station....
your last question, about the nature of electricity...........now that is the right question. take it and run with it!
I only see 3 dimensions in his model. That is a certain distance from the generation source when the distance is or can be very dynamic. Interferometry has to be introduced. Does the Rodin math show depth? or just a placard pattern?
Or is my perception incorrect? And does it matter?
--giantkiller.
Take a charged capacitor, and lay it on top of a permanent magnet so that the E-field of the capacitor is at right angles to the H-field of the magnet. Then the standard Poynting flow S is given by S = ExH, which in this case is maximized for a 90-degree angle between E and H. In fact, the magnitude S of S is just the product of the two magnitudes E and H. The direction of S is at right angles to both E and H, and given by the usual right hand rule.
;)
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/static%20poynting%20gen.htm
One of Keelys' primary discoveries was a technique which allowed
the experimenter to establish an "artificial Neutral Centre". Once this
was accomplished and maintained, the mass could be subjected to
compound vibrations or "orders of vibrations" which would either infuse
or remove energy from the mass on multiple levels. The controlling of
the energy in the mass aggregation would determine its' reaction to any
surrounding masses.
http://www.keelynet.com/keely/7thpsi.txt (http://www.keelynet.com/keely/7thpsi.txt)
--giantkiller. For those following along...
Man ... i was mildly skeptical of bearden before but out of all the research i've done concerning Phi and the connections i've made here on various threads to find this guy using the term phi-field. :o None of the places i found in my research travels mentions bearden at all or any alias's or known connections of his. So to be blunt, I'm now convinced beyond a doubt, id argue till i was blue in the face,bet stupid people money, ect... that the golden ratio's used for years by our greatest minds... back to Greek& Roman civ are what needs to be understood for us as a race to move forward positively.. \
@GK "interferometer antennas"-..... Jos_ eph_son Junction + Mad cool currrrl free donught man ::)
"separated by a baseline" a non twisted one..?
materialization and dematerialization hmmm i wonder what this means probably that we need to dematerialize our society so we can keep on keepin on.. or does scotty , warf and the united federation of planets have something to do with it.. make your own assumptions i guess
Joe
@LJ,
Walter Russell is a bit more down to earth in his explanations. In reading any of these guys take it all with a grain of salt to rid the explanation from the noise. Everybody adds their twist to gain a step in the media heirarchy. Russell is dead and his work still holds ground. He can't add complexity.
Keely's work just spells it out. Maybe not at the device level. But the explanations of the science are very clear.
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@GK "interferometer antennas"-..... Jos_ eph_son Junction + Mad cool currrrl free donught man ::)
"separated by a baseline" a non twisted one..?
Sounds like the BFG operational specifications.
--giantkiller. That is who I am following.
I would like to step into the donut and travel to places far from here..... Only where another donuts resided obviously. Where can i acquire such a ticket.
Joe
G'day Giant,,
My, my, you have been busy with Keely I see, good boy! There is a lot of good stuff in what he is on about :-)
Hans
Quote from: Localjoe on November 28, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
Man ... i was mildly skeptical of bearden before but out of all the research i've done concerning Phi and the connections i've made here on various threads to find this guy using the term phi-field. :o None of the places i found in my research travels mentions bearden at all or any alias's or known connections of his. So to be blunt, I'm now convinced beyond a doubt, id argue till i was blue in the face,bet stupid people money, ect... that the golden ratio's used for years by our greatest minds... back to Greek& Roman civ are what needs to be understood for us as a race to move forward positively.. \
@GK "interferometer antennas"-..... Jos_ eph_son Junction + Mad cool currrrl free donught man ::)
"separated by a baseline" a non twisted one..?
materialization and dematerialization hmmm i wonder what this means probably that we need to dematerialize our society so we can keep on keepin on.. or does scotty , warf and the united federation of planes have something to do with it.. make your own assumptions i guess
Joe
I believe you are correct in your assumption about the golden ratio. But do not stop at the ratio itself, what is really important the shape it makes within itself ever repeating, unfortunately it will be two dimensional, to really understand it..........I would look to tornados perhaps? or Schauberger?
@ GK
very interesting with the Keely information. seeing as how all existance is simply an extension of one principle.....distance from peace (neutral, center, love (what bowser03, and Russell would call it) and return to peace, this is very important.
A Phi-field or spiral is composed of 3 waveforms that are creative not destructive in nature.... I have studied a those gentelmen as well my friend and i see a 3 dimensional vortex expanding and growing where do you get 2 d from? ???
Joe
What I find interesting is the migration to the mental 3d imagery and field descriptions of the potential output. Potential meaning the energy level or frequency used.
For those who are doing electronics at the moment I suggest you start looking towards the afore mentioned types of outcome. You will any way. A number of us have burned ourselves reaching into the invisible fields. :o
Why aim a gun without knowing what the target is?
--giantkiller.
Duality is expressed in many ways , some say tx and rx , and others say give and take ... when duality is achieved much can be transversed through those portals ;D
Like stuff... and um some more stuff .. ELPOEP NAM
To be more clear the ratios may play a part in the whole scheme of things but the input variables are pre defined .... what goes in is your choice. Its the modulation scheme that fasicnates me and the detectors
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on November 28, 2007, 05:51:11 PM
A Phi-field or spiral is composed of 3 waveforms that are creative not destructive in nature.... I have studied a those gentelmen as well my friend and i see a 3 dimensional vortex expanding and growing where do you get 2 d from? ???
Joe
When I spoke of 2d I was refering to what most people think of when you make a spiral using the golden ratio. It will be flat, but this is unrepresentative of nature. you are correct, I just was not refering to the phi field, sorry.
Then homer yells dohhhhhhhhhhhhh 8)
JOE
If you search on youtube for singerxyz you will see his Rodin dynamic visualizer tool for coils in the list of vids. Just place your coil on an EGA pc monitor that faces up and you can see the patterns. OMG!
I will drag a monitor up from the dungeon into my cave.and use it in the future. Alas, but it is still 2d.
Gentlemen, we are progressing far beyond normality. Now I know how Keely felt.
--giantkiller. I have a cave with a dungeon? Walk this way....
I enjoy my time in the bat cave here..... Music room in basement :) .... Why do we call it the bat cave.... cause bats use sound man . Alright enough ranting for myself.
@ GK do you think we could build a rodin way easier by taking two toroirds having them machine wound the twisting them to a certian degree... I was thinking about it and theres gotta be a better logical way to wind that thing. Any who, if you ever decide to beam up make sure you take your comm badge with you... I sell them at this new site called microrodin.com j/k
Joe
@LJ,
Yes about the Rodin coil. Wind a standard TPU type coil with 90d couplings, just like the GK4 and Singerxyz's. By heterodyning, one can alter the angle of each mag field. The eclipse angle to the other 2 fields will produce the Rodin / Ratttlesnake pattern. Now, not only will there be that pattern in 2d but the 3d version is what sits around the coil. The 4d is the diamonds of the pattern will appear at differing dimensions and distances from the the generated source. This is all ever changing and dynamic. It will also swirl around the coil in either direction depending on the heterodyned eclispe. I did it with the Bucket-o-vibes and IS did it with his Audiohenge. Thanks, Bolt!
Can everybody see this? It is so damn simple. This magnetic pattern that Russell talked about in the harmonics is the same type patterns that Keely generated.
If you build it, they will come. We are talking about realization of ideas here. You don't need alot of power with the right set of freqs. And the Angels sing out in the heavens.
The start of my second year here in OU is taken me on a phenominal trip! I am breathless...
--giantkiller. Strollin' on the water.
you would have to completely redesign the machine to wind the coil. The patern in rodins coil is actually the same patern he uses to progress from 1 to 2 to 4 to 8 to 7 to 5 etc. to wind it you place these numbers around, and you make each wind in succession, so its not the same as a wound coil with wires seperated. the winding patern is found on the main site, the one with the hand drawing the patern on the circle might as well be us winding the toroid.
Quote from: giantkiller on November 29, 2007, 12:56:46 PM
@LJ,
Yes about the Rodin coil. Wind a standard TPU type coil with 90d couplings, just like the GK4 and Singerxyz's. By heterodyning, one can alter the angle of each mag field. The eclipse angle to the other 2 fields will produce the Rodin / Ratttlesnake pattern. Now, not only will there be that pattern in 2d but the 3d version is what sits around the coil. The 4d is the diamonds of the pattern will appear at differing dimensions and distances from the the generated source. This is all ever changing and dynamic. It will also swirl around the coil in either direction depending on the heterodyned eclispe. I did it with the Bucket-o-vibes and IS did it with his Audiohenge. Thanks, Bolt!
Can everybody see this? It is so damn simple. This magnetic pattern that Russell talked about in the harmonics is the same type patterns that Keely generated.
If you build it, they will come. We are talking about realization of ideas here. You don't need alot of power with the right set of freqs. And the Angels sing out in the heavens.
The start of my second year here in OU is taken me on a phenominal trip! I am breathless...
--giantkiller. Strollin' on the water.
The "rattle snake pattern" does not exist. Rodin actually says right off the bat that the second set of of lines that create the squares arent really there, he just uses them to illustrate a point. notice the colored spirals in the following image, the direction of their spin, this is what is important, the other lines that are counter to this arent really there.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rodinmath.com%2Ftoroid_color.gif&hash=9850807eb7a1ab319a1f808c04742aee4c6027ee)http://www.rodinmath.com/toroid_color.gif
double post
did you happen to notice that the picture of the torrid has an error in it? Note the colors, the red and orange are swapped (lower right) and the green and orange are swapped (lower leftish). j Actually it appears that there is another as well. I am wondering...humm... any thoughts guys?
look at each color - all three legs of that color - at the same time
See the pattern?
Each "color" pattern is 90 degrees apart
see the single legs here:
@ Grumpy,
Good idea for data transfer..Unlimited bandwidth for all who are worthy
i just happin to have a little tower experience my self lol ;D
with wireless internet access point / client setups hummmm
:)
ist
?I have but one law for all my opposed pairs of creating things: and that law needs but one word to spell it out, so hear me when I say that the one word of my one law is balance.
And if man needs two words to aid him in his knowing of the workings of that law, these two words are balanced interchange.
If mans still needs more worlds to aid his knowing of my one law, give to him another one, and let those three words be Rhythmic Balanced Interchange?
-The message of the divine Iliad-
?Science should be simple, as the underlying laws of the universe are simple. However modern science is extremely complex because it is to a large measure, an attempt at rationalizing the multitude of effects without understanding the underlying cause, and because it is unaware of the one simple working principle as manifested in the divine trinity.
I share this thought with you because you may be nervous about science. Why are some people nervous about science? Only because of the complexity of the science they have encountered, a complexity which is actually man made with little or no relation to nature.?
-Walter Russell-
Or put another way
3-9-6
If you would like to apply this to electronics, consider this. what are the relationship between inductors and condensers.
Are they not manifestations of oposite conditions?
how do they interact, do they not rythmically interchange states?
what is meant by peace, or unity, that divedes (and unites) all opposite states
what is this complicated mess about scalar waves? why can we not observe them?
what does electric flow look like in a medium where the "positive particles" are not bound such as air, water, mercury, etc. When you awnser this, then ask....why do we define electricity with electrons only, and follow our circuits around from their limited point of view?
So why do we build our machines to disspate, or collect only? why not incorporate rythmic balanced interchange?
?Again I say: I, the Light, am One. But my thinking is electric, and thought is two in every creating thing, two halves of one which never can be one. .Always must they be two to go opposed ways from me and back again to me for reborning from the other one after finding rest in me.?
-Message of the Divine Iliad-
So the TPU feedback (The outer most winding), as we have called it, is really the low impedance primary. And the controls, which we have called them, are really the high impedance secondary. The collector is just that, a charged pathway that is in the ion path. Just like a planet around a star which also represents a magnetic collection.
--giantkiller. Same rules, different place.
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I think DC is applied to the collectors.
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just realized something last night:
The DC applied to the collector coil would create a static magnetic field pointing up or down, depending on the polarity.
An electron that happens to be moving through a static magnetic field will feel a force in the direction orthogonal to it's velocity and the field, with direction determined by the left-hand rule.
If you "jostle" the electrons with a sharp positive spike, they will be attracted towards the positively-charged coils. However, this would mean equal numbers of electrons being pushed CW and CCW (those behind the coil, and those past it). BUT if there is a static magnetic field pointing up, the CW-moving electrons would be pushed towards the outer edge of the collector, while the CCW-moving electrons would be pushed towards the inner edge. The CW electron is being forced in a direction it can't go (the collector curves right, and it's being pushed left). I suspect that it will create some heat and not do much else. However, the CCW electron is being pushed along the curvature of the collector. This would create a type of one-way street, similar to what a diode does, however you would not have to deal with the 0.7 voltage drop of the diode (no dc current could exist until this voltage was surpassed).
Perhaps this is how Steven Mark started his TPU, with a magnet being placed in the center.
@ grumpy
dont you think the rotation induces the current in the collector as in 1 collector hummmm
this little toy can be built many ways
hot / cold cold / cold or hot/hot
am i wrong
the easyest and best as i think is cold hot cold this will allow for a far more powerful device in a compact size with out crazy control circuitry
hummmm
if that makes any sence
ist
sm did this electronically yes difftent than tesla altho really there was no need to mimic natrue electronically only harness it natuarly
but what sm is teaching us ? the freqs of conversion altho i think there many diffrent freqs of conversion all with diffrent porpouses i could be wrong this i do not know yet
hello hello its me again
magnet shadow stuff i was search around
and i find out its call nowdays MRI http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/mri.htm
and gradient coils
maybe The bird cage coil i don't know
http://www.mritutor.org/mritutor/coils.htm
and weird link http://www.aitrui.com/REF-DrNikolaTesla.htm
yup...
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@ acerzw
you have done an amazing job all along ;D
hey maybe i try to wind a peramid next lol :D
ist
--giantkiller. Where do you thing rogue waves come from?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 01, 2007, 10:49:48 PM
...and what if you applied a form of induction that is normally in both directions of a wire to the "one way street"? Like squeezing a hose...with a check valve at one end.
@Grumpy
Would using a simple diode on one end of the wire do that? If so, you have given me another idea for an experiment to carry out on the MTPU.
Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Magnetman777
Hi all,
I am an experienced Pic programmer. I also have great experience with Mosfets. I have put together a supposed TPU controller that can spin 8 coils in any direction. I used a Pic chip to control the frequency and I used very large FET?s to spike the coils. I tried the unit on a TPU type coil structure that I made. I was able to get the TPU to run the frequency generator and the drivers to the Fet?s part of the system but, it would not sustain the hole load of the coil and the system. I don?t think I have the right coil design but I do believe my controller is working correctly. I can manipulate the code to make the controller do whatever I want. I made the controller with an interface to HyperTerminal to adjust the speed of rotation and the duration or Pulse width of the pulses on time.
Utilizing this controller I can monitor some voltages in the device .The Pic I used has 8
A to Ds in it .
I am seeking a coil structure and some one to work with on obtaining a working unit. I saw the posting on the tpu_end_game. pdf posting .I followed this but still no luck. Perhaps it would be helpful if you all could post me some questions. The controller I build does work.
I prefer to talk over the phone so if some one would like to contact me that would be fine. Please send me your contact info via this website.
HR
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Quote from: acerzw on December 03, 2007, 07:50:35 AM
@all
I have a crucial question which relates to a design I am working on and will post in due course. I there a way to stop current flowing in both directions around a copper collector without the power loss associated with a diode? Is there an alternative method or way of doing that which is effective but more power efficient?
Acerzw
yes there is a way
however it points teslas way
what did tesla use as a diode? lets see if someone else can tell what he used for a high efficiency diode
ist
Quote from: acerzw on December 03, 2007, 07:50:35 AM
@all
I have a crucial question which relates to a design I am working on and will post in due course. I there a way to stop current flowing in both directions around a copper collector without the power loss associated with a diode? Is there an alternative method or way of doing that which is effective but more power efficient?
Acerzw
Please re-read my above post where I talked about the one-way street. The magnetic field is key.
Quote from: btentzer on December 02, 2007, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on December 01, 2007, 10:49:48 PM
...and what if you applied a form of induction that is normally in both directions of a wire to the "one way street"? Like squeezing a hose...with a check valve at one end.
@Grumpy
Would using a simple diode on one end of the wire do that? If so, you have given me another idea for an experiment to carry out on the MTPU.
Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
I don't think so. A tube diode may work as some are close to "ideal", but I do not think this is the "right" approach - but it may work anyway.
I'm referring to a form of dielectric induction and it's effect on electromagnetic in current conductors. My understanding is that the induced current or "effect" can be in either or both directions and this is determined by the interaction between dielectric field in one wire and the electromagnetic field in another wire (I don't like the word "field" but it will work for now).
So, one set of parameters may slow down the drift of electrons - reducing current, and another set of parameters would increase drift - increasing current.
On the 'one way street': I'll side with Grumpy on this.
I have been able to see GMR effects that show promise. It definetely lowers resistance one way and increases the other way. As far as blocking completely - not yet. Not as far as I've seen. It would take much fine work to produce the needed effect with GMR - if it would work at all.
A piece of wire has constant current flowing but not constant 'Net' current from end to end. The trick is to point all the little buggers the same way so we have a net current.
Since dielectric should be one half of the equation - maybe we can direct the dielectric so the electric will fall in-line and cooperate ?
Innovation station is absolutely correct, I sent you a personal message with the information you should need. For all reading this you will find your polarization through working with the natural movement of energy, this is not AC. What did Tesla abandon AC current for? What did all of his energies focus on after AC? It is an interplay between the elements Tesla states are necessary in so many of his patents.
how about rotating current 8)
and the high efficiency diodes tesla used
an air gap
not a spark gap an air gap lol
ist
so how does an air gap work
well i would use this as the simplest explanation and i anit good at this but here we go
power source cap air gap lol
the cap is charged from the source what ever it be when the cap is stressed or full to the point that it can not take anymore it will jump the gap looking for some where to go ;)
all you need to do is use that charge properly
this is getting deeper than we need to go right now tho
to few are at this point however on with it
ist
yup...
apoligies gk
grumpy
i do agree altho ac was abananed for re re is only part of it as it is a whole it is all part of the same
after re you use that to create cc circulating current or cold electricty no?
from what i have seen...... i can have dc ac ov cc in a cap all at the same time
i call this orbit spinn or oscolating voltage 8)
im sure it has a proper name
how ever it is the same damm thing
lol
ist
Im going to have to disagree with you Innovation station. I had the mistaken belief that the gap was the part to look at as well. Actually Tesla devised many systems to control the circuit, and this is all that is important. The making and breaking of the circuit is what causes the effect in conjunction with his other necessary ingredients, it cannot do it alone with any great efficiency.
The air gap is simply a way to introduce a change in current that is very sudden. Any other system that causes a sudden change with respect to time will do. The secret is not in any one part, but in the system as a whole. You will never ever hear Tesla speak of a magic ingredient. BUT you will find him repeat the same 4 ingredients over and over in his patents. These four are what is important.
The diode you are looking for is a byproduct of using the right components in the right relations. Polarization is a natural effect of this cause.
The air gap is far from a diode. It will manifest a pressure on the anode and cathode, negative and positive respectively. The air in-between acts as the conductive medium, but it is different from metal in that the positively charged particles are not bound in place by the covalent bonding mechanism. Therefore positive ions will travel to the negative side, and negative ions will travel to the negative side at the same time. Said another way, both negative and positive current flows through the gap in both directions at the same time. This is not a diode.
I stress to you, you can learn all you want about this from reading his patents, and studying them, really study them. You will be rewarded.
Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
Tesla used a variety of quenched and unquenched spark gaps. He used air blasts, magnetic fields, and rotational movement to extenguished the arc. He had a multiple gap arrangement that produced no visible spark across it's gaps.
The diode effect was in the circuit that the capacitor was discharged in to. Depending in the circuit, you can get damping or oscillations. It all works together as I understand it. The system damps or oscillates as a whole.
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EDIT:
Tesla abandoned his research with AC for RE - utilizing unidirectional thrust (impulses) - like a jackhammer.
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We are mucking up GK's thread and should move the discussion of Tesla and his work to another thread.
@grumpy
Your assessment of Tesla?s system is spot on.
But
I don?t think GK is worried about how we are mucking up his thread?.Notice how he has stoped posting on the progress he was making? Perhaps he found somewhere else on which to focus his attention.
You can also go the route of spark gap tubes. Tesla did some work with this sort of thing and commented on hydrogen altering the shape of the impulse and that oxygen worked very well. Commercial spark gap tubes are available with a variety of breakdown voltage ratings, various gas mixtures, etc.
I posted a few things here on spark gaps:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3674.msg61873.html#msg61873
We can continue this discussion there as it has nothing to do with GK's heterodyning.
yes i am indeed not at the point to explaine this yet
im still learning
as we all are
what i have in my cap is what leadskalin has in his holder as well as what sm is mimicing electronicly
you can put this engery in some thing it can not escape from and put it to work
do you not see
lol
also once you know how to control this engery you will be able to do many things with it
i noticed i could infact speed this engery up easly this is where my no control theory comes from
i need not say more at this point
ist
but this Merry Christmas to all Histeam!!
yup...
tesla was not wrong ever peroid
and i have infact tested this theory out and yes i had engery in a coil for 2 days producing a magnetic feild from a single charge
no i can not explain why this is yet
this is why i have made no mention of this till now
in the process i have redesinged a unit that will work verry well useing thease principals
this is the unit i spoke of as cold hot cold extreamly powerful in a compact size
cheep simple and safe but just because i saw this in my mind does not mean i can build it
in fact i wont until i understand why it works and i can explain why then i will build it
weater it is sm's unit or teslas or mine it dosent matter what maters is why it works
ist
it would be nice to get some intrest in some of the units i have invented so far b4 i release this unit
i have many things this world could use just laque the investors to make it happin this will come in time and so will my finished design of the ist 0 control tpu ;)
Quote from: armagdn03 on December 03, 2007, 12:09:16 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
Tesla used a variety of quenched and unquenched spark gaps. He used air blasts, magnetic fields, and rotational movement to extenguished the arc. He had a multiple gap arrangement that produced no visible spark across it's gaps.
The diode effect was in the circuit that the capacitor was discharged in to. Depending in the circuit, you can get damping or oscillations. It all works together as I understand it. The system damps or oscillates as a whole.
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EDIT:
Tesla abandoned his research with AC for RE - utilizing unidirectional thrust (impulses) - like a jackhammer.
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We are mucking up GK's thread and should move the discussion of Tesla and his work to another thread.
@grumpy
Your assessment of Tesla?s system is spot on.
But
I don?t think GK is worried about how we are mucking up his thread?.Notice how he has stoped posting on the progress he was making? Perhaps he found somewhere else on which to focus his attention.
I am here and taking everything in. The 2 keywords here are RE and jackhammer. The GK4 did both and I am continuing on from that point. The important thing is DC square waves and 90 degree windings. That works so far for me. All the focus on Tesla here is necessary. After the square waves and copper come the necessary attributes of what Tesla is talkng about here. There is no avoiding it.
I set my current coil build bag on the kitchen table. Next morning it was out in the back yard. The dog got it. Go figure. No damage, just a scare.
--giantkiller. Great content.
yup...
Hi GK,
was always anxious to ask, never did, but want to come clean by the end of the year ;-)
This photo of the Egyptian gods, last posted in
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg59363.html#msg59363
please, do you know (from) where it was taken or better where to find these statues?
TEE X
The photo of the Egyptan gods:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3461.msg54621.html#msg54621
Sauron initially posted that image and confirmed that this link is correct - that was his last post.
Hi G.K.
I was just wondering if you ever "stepped" the gk4, as in the pic below? (outer wrap is taken off for
viewing inside)
Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
The photo of the Egyptan gods:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3461.msg54621.html#msg54621
Sauron initially posted that image and confirmed that this link is correct - that was his last post.
Thanks Grumpy.
@dirt,
I never set my controller up for 4x3 or 3x4. Just didn't make sense at the time. But Keely had his most abstract and phenominal efects when he set a chord and then injected other harmonics into that stream. So I could do some more configurations. but I will not disassemble the GK4 to twirl the layers around. Instead I keep making progress into the BFG coils. These are going to be great fun in testing. 3x3. This model fits the basic Keely testbed for 2 chords, A & C then a square wave pulse. This path I am on has a longer setup time.
Here is another set of specifications:
I wish I could have gotten my iron winds as symetrical as your drawing. But they twisted without guidance giving many ECD like winged edges. The energy just shot out all over the place. Then the ECD showed up with its 2 wing edges symetrically placed in space. Having built one of those and seeing it do dangerous things I took that one step further. The picture shows the edges better formed. When it comes time for total assembly I will arrange, by hand, the edges to fit all in parallel. I'll have 12 of them. There will be very low inductance outer control coils on each of the 12 segments. Probably 22awg.
I will go through a great amount of effort to get a single test result.
--giantkiller. Another great day on the planet. If you know what you are doing...
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Hi G.K. :)
I was looking at the Modified magamp design posted by sauron (somewhere) and was thinking
of how it could be applied to the gk4, this was the reason I asked about stepping the design.
Attached is Saurons version of the magamp.
Quote from: joe dirt on December 04, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
Hi G.K. :)
I was looking at the Modified magamp design posted by sauron (somewhere) and was thinking
of how it could be applied to the gk4, this was the reason I asked about stepping the design.
Attached is Saurons version of the magamp.
Yes, I had seen this one. The array is 3 x 3. I am already on this. 8)
Looks very much like a 3 stage stun gun with a slight change.
--giantkiller.
gk i see you are building some square round coils
lol
gonna tell us why ?
square to round must some benifit eh?
hummmm
ist
@gk
What do you think about putting a collector plate at the apex of the magnetic field surrounding the tpu and see if it develops a potential to ground. Another interesting thing would be to take a small bar magnet on a string and put it near the outside of the tpu and see how it reacts. I think you may find that it will spin on it's axis (string should be near the center of the magnet to allow for rotation) then actually move up or down a little. It's about time (I think) that some experiments be conducted with running tpus . (don't you think?) ( I think and feel it is.) How many backengineered tpus do we need running before someone starts some experiments with them?
Please consider my theory that the more ordered energy becomes the stronger the gravitational influence surrounding this ordered energy form.
Quote from: innovation_station on December 04, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
gk i see you are building some square round coils
lol
gonna tell us why ?
square to round must some benifit eh?
hummmm
ist
The explanation is in the Roberto's ECD document.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on December 04, 2007, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on December 04, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
gk i see you are building some square round coils
lol
gonna tell us why ?
square to round must some benifit eh?
hummmm
ist
The explanation is in the Roberto's ECD document.
--giantkiller.
i need no explanation ;)
many may lol
well i need a break from this stuff so i will take 1
i tryed all day and night yesterday and i could not get my cap charger to work properly so now i lay her dow to rest in this time perhaps she will grow some brests lol
ist 8)
yup...
we must always remember that there is never just a compression, never just a heating, never just a concentration, from every motion that brings things together, we are robing from somewhere else. Every compression is acompanied simultaniously with a decompression in equal proportions.
I don't have a comment for this but it looks like a Leedskalnin / Emery type setup.
--giantkiller. Same ol', same ol'.
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yup...
night-time reading
http://rapidshare.com/files/74526540/_ebook__Free_Energy_Secrets_with_Tesla_patents.pdf
:P
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Quote from: zapnic on December 05, 2007, 02:40:18 PM
night-time reading
http://rapidshare.com/files/74526540/_ebook__Free_Energy_Secrets_with_Tesla_patents.pdf
:P
Is there a way you can just attach it here? I don't pay and couldn't get through to any free downloads.
--giantkiller.
yup...
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yup...
Hello all,
@Grumpy
there is a LOT more.
Otto
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yup...
yup...
And the phone company has been doing this for years. Nobody seems to notice that. :)
Suddenly seems very quiet - like the calm before a storm...
In a roundabout way i did on the other forum Grumpy. ;)
yup...
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I am still looking for an OU power supply for the BFG...
Could use a TPU. Shielding probably comes into play. Could get Tourmaline. They make jewelry from it. Imagine that. When actually you could wear a portable power supply with you at all times. But if you didn't know about electricity it would just look pretty. Stupid human tricks...
@Acerzw,
Thanks for the Coler links.
--giantkiller. I got alot of steps from alot of input. Thanks guys.
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And precise control of the heterodyning frequencies gives us the speed we need in either direction.
So it goes from here on down:
Capacitance needed by the heterodyning movement,
which could also equate to the distances of the collectors,
the frequencies needed to get the heterodyning,
which applies to the resonance of the coils,
which equates to the impedances of those coils,
Moebiously Tuned...
--giantkiller. Of course, we knew this right?
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This is the path these things are to take.
Anything else is just mechanics and that has proven destructive.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: acerzw on December 06, 2007, 04:09:32 PM
@All
What do you think?
Acerzw
i think you are polluting this thread with pages and pages of non relevant information.
Fingerprint of god?..... gimme a break.
the only match i can find is in the Rodin winding pattern, and even this isn't entirely the same, it only "looks" like it.
when are you going to try something in stead of using the copy paste function?
M.
Do not be swayed!
What you post are observations on on the perfection of creation! Natures machines are perfect, ours, as they stand are misserable attempts to improve upon the perfect!
Formulation of individual thoeries has its place in the fiction isle, Only one will prevail, and it is not theory, it is truth, it is law, it is pefection on every level of the universe.
just thinking out loud...
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Quote from: acerzw on December 07, 2007, 12:10:53 AM
@Marco, Mannix
This is the Micro-TPU thread, you are going off topic, posts regarding the full size TPU would be better posted on the TPU General Discussion Thread or one of the other threads dedicated to it...
Acerzw
oh look who is talking....
you are coninously posing whole pages of crap and pdf files which are not only off topic, they are irrelevant too.
This is the TPU area in case you forgot.
maybe Stefan can create a crap-corner and move all of your postings there....sure would seperate specific things...
M.
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The OU Zen Haiku
(with added clue)
many games played by so many names....
posting now where Tesla's Over Unity can be found...
useful illustration added?
A
Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2007, 07:21:31 PM
a tuning we will go - a tuning we will go - chill the beer, extinguisher near - a tuning we will go - discharging caps, pops and snaps - a tuning we will go...
LOL...Man, that,s for posterity
yup...
Yup...
everytime i hear this song
i think
EVERYONE I KNOW GOES AWAY IN THE END ......... ;)
just some JC 4U 8)
The Innovation Station Team
what has made you hurt ?? i can think of only 1 thing money it has hurt us all :P
the hell with money it has never stoped me b4 and will not now
WILL~I~AM
removed the mp3 all that copy write junk ya know just BS
@ Giantkiller > I think you may find this interesting , http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigilander.libero.it%2Faltraenergia%2Fmarinov.html&lp=it_en&.intl=us&fr=b1ie7 It was hidden long ago in arcives
That's Dr. Stephan Marinov - "rogue physicist".
I posted a ZIP file of about 4 megs of stuff related to him.
Edit: attached
cool Grumpy these are his original papers . I'll download your stuff and put it in my files thanks !
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on December 11, 2007, 08:37:34 PM
@ Giantkiller > I think you may find this interesting , http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigilander.libero.it%2Faltraenergia%2Fmarinov.html&lp=it_en&.intl=us&fr=b1ie7 It was hidden long ago in arcives
Hi Motorcoach1,
I have a lot of data about Marinov but the very
first reference in that link is incredible. From the mouse of the horse. I am reading it and enjoying it. It correlates with my current test incredibly. Don?t know yet about other articles in that link.
The first link might be a direct reference to the tpu, such as low frequency vibration and gyroscopic effect.
Anyway, I went through the first several pages of the first link and it was a good refresh for my memory. It is too late and I have to stop reading it for today.
Thanks again. That is something I was looking for when I was searching the web for ?moving electron mass by potential? and found what I wasn?t expecting at all and here you go, the beginning.
Cheers,
Kames.
Quote from: kames on December 11, 2007, 10:51:46 PM
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on December 11, 2007, 08:37:34 PM
@ Giantkiller > I think you may find this interesting , http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigilander.libero.it%2Faltraenergia%2Fmarinov.html&lp=it_en&.intl=us&fr=b1ie7 It was hidden long ago in arcives
...
?moving electron mass by potential?
...
(Those articles are not on the zip file.)
Quote from: Grumpy on December 11, 2007, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: kames on December 11, 2007, 10:51:46 PM
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on December 11, 2007, 08:37:34 PM
@ Giantkiller > I think you may find this interesting , http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigilander.libero.it%2Faltraenergia%2Fmarinov.html&lp=it_en&.intl=us&fr=b1ie7 It was hidden long ago in arcives
...
?moving electron mass by potential?
...
Centrifugal force - another reason for the TPU to be a ring.
(Those articles are not on the zip file.)
Hi Grumpy,
I agree that the Centrifugal force is another reason for the tpu to be a ring. However, the ?Centrifugal force? is not what I meant at all. It might be a cause but it is too far by itself from what can explain the electron potential energy change. For now I am testing it and don?t really want to get into any detail discussions before I get any results, if any at all.
Kames.
Looking at from the perspective of centrifugal force - there is an increase in pressure - which is potential.
Quote from: Grumpy on December 12, 2007, 12:12:57 AM
From what Marinov said about his MAGVID, the electron can not travel faster than the speed of light so it's energy must increase.
Also, I read something recently about waves increasing in velocity when confined to circular path, or something like that - sounded like the same basic principle.
Looking at from the perspective of centrifugal force - there is an increase in pressure - which is potential.
Hi Grumpy,
My last post for today :( Really late. See the attached screenshot.
Kames.
Correct.
Got to look at this more.
Updated...
The heterodyne output can also be spun at any speed in either direction.
The flexibilty is totally open if'n ya get the start right.
The posts you all put here are incredibly intense.
The next step is to put the outer dual opposing 25 turns on in 28awg wire. I am going to use 9-555s and tip41s on the pulse controller. This worked last year. Same rules, different place.
The jitter actually enhances the operation. Say what? I love surprise endings.
--giantkiller.
@ grumpy
After reading this quote you wrote earlier in the thread
"This multiplication , or modulation, of one wave by another wave of the same number of divisions produces what may be called "canonic electric waves", after the process in music where one melody is combined with itself delayed by a given number of divisions if the measure, producing harmony by interference with itself. This process is the underlying principle behind the synchronous condenser, hysteresis motor, and parametric amplifier. The means for producing this phenomenon is call "synchronous parameter variation", and is the principle behind what is often called "free energy", which is quite possible if not certain."
-Dollard
Then a recent one by sparks i figured id post my response here as well
@ Sparks
"The More Ordered Energy Becomes The More Energy it will Attract. I don't know if this is a new law of physics or not. I'll just refer to it as Sparkonian physics for now unless someone else has come up with this before. I am working on a web page about sparkonian physics which will use illustrations of the sparkonian law of physics. "
You hit the nail on the head man.... I propose Calling it the LAW OF ORDER
Alright Great example of order .... take your finger in a bucket of water start moving it in a circle... if you do it right and around the same imaginary circle each time a vortex forms swirling the water around on its own.. if you move your finger in an erratic pattern not that of the original circle you brought it in it is much harder to get a vortex in water..
Just try it... If anything is right ... It is "The law of order"... ha not law and order ;D
Tesla states quite clearly that when synchronous discharge happens in the primary coil the voltage levels in the secondary coil rises exponentially meaning if it was done asynchronous or not pulsed a a set interval it would not work half as good or show any real results... Just like my water example .. I mean no one wants to listen to a musician who cant keep time .
So my conclusion is that "If Energy is provided symmetrically at a given and repeated interval, additional energy can be gained in a system-Ordered Energy". These are my words and they seem to fit as crazy at that sounds. This touches on two interesting area's.. how energy becomes ordered or is given order, and the law of attraction so now ... going out on a limb could one say" A set of equations and ratios might be derived to directly correlate ordered energy needed to give favorable conditions for law of attraction energy gains". Some musicians who keep time very well are a band called Tower of Power...In your face funk
Joe
@joe and all,
In my recent searching of vortexes I came across dowsing. They look for vortexes in the desert to find water. Well lo and behold I stumbled in my own thinking upon tornadoes and hurricanes. What if they are a culmination of high levels of magnetic activity. Huh? Well it happens on the Sun and Jupiter as we have seen. Great post grumpy. The meteoroligists call it high and low pressure. From what! It seems to be an after effect. If not then why are they called meteoroligists?
Shits backward, no?
The TPU creates a vortex also. But the 390721 just thumps up and down.
--giantkiller.
@gk,
no imediate plans of trying an, "E", in there with all that? i mean as long as you are in the conceptual build stage. what the hell?
hey keep up the great work!!!!!
lol
sam
ps: just a stupid ironworker, so please no questions. i just don't know all the answers. yet! but it does seem to me to be the next logical step.
So nice to see with the "mind" for a change. ;D
Nice work gk, anticipate a video? looking forward to it. man, joe is becoming a common nick,
Joe camel, average joe, local joe, joe six pack, cup of joe, kokomojoe lol.......
@gk
I believe that by introducing energy into a field that captures the energy, (magnetism is great at doing this. Magnetic lines of force are like energy diodes and superconductors) the captured energy starts to have more attraction for energy (call it gravity or maybe a new name like affinity) The energy trapped in the field needs a new name like ranked energy or ordered energy. The measure of affinity could be unitized as friends or something of the like, it's equivalent in established physics: newtons. ANYWAY, Attractive energy can exist in many forms. An oscillating electrical system is just one. It does have the drawback of all oscillating systems: the inefficiencies. When energy has to convert from one state to another constantly some of it is bound to go astray. Take for instance the laser. Energy inside the laser has to constantly change it's kinetic form which results in thermodynamic losses inside the unit. The unit is so inefficient that it requires cooling . The same can be said of waveform capture and oscillation. Losses will be experienced in the waveform energy conductors whether they be a metal, ionized gas, partial vacuum etc. The magnetic fields generated by waveform energy are also inferior at collecting and storing attractive energy since they continously change shape, dimension and strength. Oscillating and concentrating sound waves (like a laser does to light energy), is good for things like lasers are good at, (like destructive shit) but suck at collecting energy. IMHO :o
yup...
Quote from: supersam on December 18, 2007, 10:24:32 PM
@gk,
no imediate plans of trying an, "E", in there with all that? i mean as long as you are in the conceptual build stage. what the hell?
hey keep up the great work!!!!!
lol
sam
ps: just a stupid ironworker, so please no questions. i just don't know all the answers. yet! but it does seem to me to be the next logical step.
In reference:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg64964.html#msg64964 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg64964.html#msg64964)
The square board on the back is a microcontroller and through software I will rage through many combinations of operation. The 3 collectors are built with the secondary coils of 230 turns on. I am winding a primary set of 2 controls with 25 turns each, fired as opposing from in to out in the middle of each segment. I have 2 time windows coming up to build the pulse controller boards or at least get a start. I would like to get this configuration up in 30 days to test out or at least get a start on the many combinations.
This is my design so far.
Minimally I am going to pump 3 freqs in to play with the 3 layers and 3 segments. This is similar to the GK4 setup. Inductors with smaller mass really dont react well to high frequency, as Tesla stated. This will also give me my first of the 3 driver boards. Any new results from this will be new. This setup is very dangerous.
Everything in the previous pic is an accumulation of discussed and proven tests in Overunity, JNLabs, and Dollards posts. I am just putting them all together.
January is still a good month and this last 1 1/2 years has been perfect.
--giantkiller. I keep at it.
Its been my handle for 12 years...... Guess id be super cool if i changed it even tho my name is joe. I could put locojoe but again that makes me sound crazy. So im keeping my nick and i didn't just come around recently man... But to each their own. 8)
Joe
I gotta wonder about men sometimes??
________________________________
Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked
> my interest. The occasion was our 15th anniversary and I was looking
> for a little something extra for my wife Julie. What I came across was
> a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized taser. The effects of the taser were
> supposed to be short lived, with no long-term adverse affect on your
> assailant, allowing her adequate time to retreat to safety.
>
> WAY TOO COOL!
>
> Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home.
>
> I loaded two triple-a batteries in the darn thing and pushed the
> button. Nothing! I was disappointed. I learned, however, that if I
> pushed the button AND pressed it against a metal surface at the same
> time; I'd get the blue arch of electricity darting back and forth
> between the prongs.??
>
> AWESOME!!!?
> Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to Julie what that burn spot is on
> the face of her microwave!
>
> Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it
> couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-A batteries, right?! !??
>
> There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting
> little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I
> really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target.
>
> I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie (for a fraction of a
> second) and thought better of it. She is such a sweet cat. But, if I
> was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against a
> mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am
> I wrong???
>
> So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading
> glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one
> hand, and taser in another.
>
> The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient
> your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms
> and a major loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would
> purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of
> water. Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the
> batteries.? ? All the while I'm looking at this little device measuring
> about 5" long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference; pretty cute really
> and (loaded with two itsy, bitsy triple-A batteries) thinking to
> myself, "no possible way!"??
>
> What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best...
>
> I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to
> one side as to say, "don't do it dumbass," reasoning that a one- second
> burst from such a tiny little ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad. I
> decided to give myself a one-second burst just for heck of it. I
> touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button and...
>
> HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!
>
> I'm pretty sure Hulk Hogan ran in through the side door, picked me up
> in the recliner, then body slammed us both on the carpet, over and over
> and over again.
>
> I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears
> in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere
> to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest
> position, and tingling in my legs!
>
> The cat was standing over me making meowing sounds I had never heard
> before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to herself, "Do it again,
> stupid, do it again!"
>
> Note: If you ever feel compelled to "mug" yourself with a taser, one
> note of caution: there is no such thing as a one-second burst when you
> zap yourself!
>
> You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand
> by a violent thrashing about on the floor.
>
> A three-second burst would be considered conservative.
>
> SON-OF-A-*%#... That hurt like **% !!!
>
> A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at
> that point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and
> surveyed the landscape. My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of
> the fireplace. How did they get up there??? My triceps, right thigh and
> both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot
> up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs.
>
>
> I'm still looking for my testicles! I'm offering a significant reward
> for their safe return!!
>
>
> P. S. My wife loved the gift, and now regularly threatens me with it!
>
>
> If you think Education is difficult, try being stupid
?Twas the Night Before OU Christmas
?Twas the night before Christmas and all through the cave,
Not a lab rat was stirring, not Grumpy, not Dave,
Toroids were strung on the scope with great care,
In hopes that GK would draw power from the air,
Some lab rats were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of OU danced in their heads,
The long-neck fizzled as I popped off the cap,
I had just settled down for a shot-glass of Jack,
When there in the cave there arose such a clatter,
I sprang to the Skype-cam to see what was the matter,
There on the monitor, I saw a bright flash,
The screen was a?rollin and chock full of hash,
The flat screen turned white like a new fallen snow,
My blood had turned cold and reluctant to flow,
When what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But Mannix and GK contorted with fear,
A third man was dodging the bolts and the sparks,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Marks.
More rapid than light-speed the pulses they came,
Kicks and sine waves and then more of the same,
And he whistled and shouted and called them by name,
Now Otto, now Ronotte, Now EMDevices,
Now Marco, Now IS, we need more devices,
On Jason, On Moab, On Vortex, On Bolt,
It?s way past time for an energy revolt,
To the top of the sine wave before it must fall,
Now runaway, runaway, runaway all,
As pulses that before the wild vortex fly,
When they meet with a counter-pulse take to the sky,
To the top of the fork with the sine wave they flew,
With a clockwise rotation and that right on cue,
And then in a twinkling I heard on the cam,
In guttural tone the single word ?Damn?,
The vortex was spiraling around and around,
Onto the table jumped St. Marks with a bound,
He was dressed all in tin-foil from his head to his foot,
His shiny suit tarnished with ashes and soot
A bundle of toroids were strapped on his back,
He look like a peddler just opening his pack,
His eyes how they twinkled,
He was jolly and merry,
He said he must go, he really can?t tarry,
His tight little mouth was clenched in a grin,
The tornado he made had continued to spin,
The stump of a cigar he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath
He made a stern face, his legs turned to jelly,
He jumped in the vortex whooping and yelling,
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon made me sure I had nothing to dread,
He spoke not a word as he rose towards the roof,
In the belly of the BEAST, I now had my proof,
That St. Marks was all that he said that he was,
And that all must continue to strive for the cause.
Up flew his middle digit right near his nose,
He said ?I don?t speak in elegant prose?,
?You all have enough at the end of your nose?
?Get back to work and finish the task,?
?Focused and resolute is all that I ask,
He shot through the roof with only a ?Bye?,
Like a Saturn 5 rocket into the sky,
And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
?Free energy to all and to all a good night.?
Ha ha ha ha ha, thats hilarious! great story!
I have about 4 or so 350,000 volt stun guns at home, and yea, they definitly hurt alot! ive only pressed it to myself once or twice, but did so in a jerky quick motion so that it wouldnt keep going, I cant imagine getting hit by one of those things for more than a fraction of a second, which is ubearable in and of it self.
And wow, that is a really phenominal poem! Im really actually quite impressed!
@electric
bravo for the great poem
@GK
be thankful it didn't have 4 double A's.
Thanks for the laugh, good story.
Earl
@ electric awsome poem dude!!
me im just keepin on keeping on lol
ist
@Grumpy, GK
Walter Russell Diagrams... of which erfinder is a great fan...
A
Those are wonderful diagrams. To understand them is to understand nature and god in general. It is very hard to depict what they are talking about though if you do not read up on their explanation.
@ electric
great poem lol
@gk
think that tazer would be a good erectile disfunction cure?
@GK
...that stungun rant was the funniest thing ever...Here I am, reading for hours with all the arguments/BS/PC heros and such...And then that story... I was laughing so hard when I read that that my wife asked me, "what was up?"...I read it to her out loud and she cracked up as much as I did and asked me to copy it and send to her in an email...I could totally see myself doing that "like a dumbass"...man, that was a funny interrupt to the TPU seriousness! Thanks for all your hands-on work....I've always been into software but am so intrigued that I'm getting my supplies, building, and jumping in...Hardware is "the other half"...thanks to everyone for the motivation...this rocks...H
Let's get complex...
The green arrows represent the pulse and emp energy.
The biggest part appears at the area between the 2 smaller coils.
This is one of the wiring configurations I am going to try. The direction of the accumed pulse will eject the RE pulse out the top facing arrows or out of the barrel. This is a DPA, device of pulse accumulation or the other way too.
There are alot of answers here.
--giantkiller. Frequency equals Matter.
@GK, all
I realise the technology is similar in many respects but is this project now to build a directed energy weapon or a TPU, it seems less and less like an energy generation device for the masses as time goes on! From my point of view this is not the ideal direction for these efforts to be heading... after all are there are already more weapons than people on this planet, where as there is a distinct lack of free energy devices in comparison... apologies for the rant... but has the main purpose of this thread changed? As I really don't want to be contributing to an effort to build a more efficient killing machine...
I was mooching around in the Marinov info that Grumpy posted and decided to see what some of the other researchers who were working on Marinov's ideas were up to these days and found this:
http://www.rqm.ch/fundamentals.htm
But this document which was in Grumpy's zip file, by the same guys as the above document, seems to encapsulated many of the fundamental ideas expounded on this site so far and put them within a reasonable theoretical framework, including the ideas of Walter Russel indirectly, which seems to me to express some important ideas which so far have been left out of most of our science because they verge on being religious... as championed by erfinder.
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
Of course the first link shows that the theory expressed in the second link is likely to be right to some degree as they have a working device.
A
what people must realize is that in the distant past there was no separation of knowledge. Hence you had "Renascence men" such as Leonardo Di Vinci who were master at whatever craft they set their mind to. Texts in those times were holistic, meaning that the science and religion were one and the same....it was simply knowledge of the world, not of a specific part or diminutive separation of the world.
This is why Russell seems religious, because he does not draw a line in the sand like most. This is incredibly important as many people do not realize that the religious texts of times past were really scientific texts as well, and their principles can be rigorously applied in scientific light. If people realized that "I am the alpha and the omega, I center all things" were not simply a proclamation, it is also fundamental law. For every movement there is an equal positive and negative polarization to the one flow we call movement. "I am the alpha and omega" could literally be applied to any dipole, two polarized opposite ends centered by a neutral fulcrum.
This can be seen in many many religious texts and even found in the archetypal comic books of American culture. We have supreme good, and evil pitted against each other over the neutral of earth or humanity. But if its a good comic book, there will be a small human aspect to the villain, and a small evil aspect to our hero, as all things are in life. Though one polar end may dominate, there will always be a check and balance effect.
To say that we only have an entropic world is short sighted. For in an entropic male expanding universe, evolution itself could not exist, as it is creative and concentrating, the very opposite. However this is the view of modern science. What ends up happening is people misguided then go on search for monopoles and other anomalies that will never and can never exist in our world of electric polarization characterized by the neutral fulcrum in the center.
What people see when they turn on the oscilloscope and notice a rise in say......potential of current applied to a coil is a rise in the EMF due to current flow. When this current is cut off, the collapse of this field has an energy to it equal and opposite, overcoming all resistance to return to the zero from which it came. AC current does not follow this, it simply goes from EMF to reverse polarity EMF without taking into account the female extropic collapsing field just created.
Who knew that you could apply comics to real life?
Quote from: acerzw on December 20, 2007, 01:58:13 PM
@GK, all
I realise the technology is similar in many respects but is this project now to build a directed energy weapon or a TPU, it seems less and less like an energy generation device for the masses as time goes on! From my point of view this is not the ideal direction for these efforts to be heading... after all are there are already more weapons than people on this planet, where as there is a distinct lack of free energy devices in comparison... apologies for the rant... but has the main purpose of this thread changed?
I was mooching around in the Marinov info that Grumpy posted and decided to see what some of the other researchers who were working on Marinov's ideas were up to these days and found this:
http://www.rqm.ch/fundamentals.htm
But this document which was in Grumpy's zip file, by the same guys as the above document, seems to encapsulated many of the fundamental ideas expounded on this site so far and put them within a reasonable theoretical framework, including the ideas of Walter Russel indirectly, which seems to me to express some important ideas which so far have been left out of most of our science because they verge on being religious... as championed by erfinder.
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
Of course the first link shows that the theory expressed in the second link must be right to some degree as they have a working device.
A
Flip it around to face the ground and you have a vertical pulsed emitter. The same concept as we have seen in some of the UFO type drives through numerous sites.
Face it at matter of atomic or molecular states and changes are applied. Molecular disassociation equals energy production. Same device, different places. The TPU is purposefuly kept off Q for safe operation. My goal is to control the heterodyning to produce many instances of the same application. This design is very close to what Keely, Schaumberger, Tesla, and Russell have written about. I am going to test this to see just how close I can get to coil Q as a control. Yes, it could be dangerous (this was last year), but we now have microwave ovens in our homes. If society wasn't so ignorant this could be deemed as a real hazard. The exploding tv is another fine example. This thread is about heterodyning.
I ordered the Walter Russell course today. How many yeaps will that place me ahead of the herd?
He
ordered matter into existance by being able to identify it ahead of his peers. This will be good.
To live in fear harbours oppression. The dichotomy of this reality is that war drives the final outcome.
'When they hold a peace rally then I will attend'. Mother Theresa in response to attending an antiwar rally.
We all know this.
I had also posted about working with the mining industry about using the GK4 as a emission device to locate trapped minors at any depth, anywhere on the planet from satellite.
Read your Tesla. It is all public information.The square waves, the sine waves, the different windings are just combinations of shaking or ringing copper different ways with it or against it.
Read your Tesla. It is all public information.Tesla kept his mouth shut because of the war mongers. Therein lies the secret and why the 100 year time lag exists. Pretty darn simple to understand.
Post me privately if I am out of line.
--giantkiller. Succeed? Or do I not?
Quote from: armagdn03 on December 20, 2007, 02:51:43 PM
Who knew that you could apply comics to real life?
Neal Adams. (http://www.nealadams.com/morescience.html)
@GK
Quote from: giantkiller on December 20, 2007, 02:58:42 PM
I ordered the Walter Russell course today. How many yeaps will that place me ahead of the herd?
at least several hundred thousand
yeaps I suspect! I ordered a copy of the 'The Universal One' a few days ago. ;D
@arma
Thanks for posting that very clear explanation of Russell for all. Now maybe we can begin to see 'reality' ;)
A
Quote from: acerzw on December 20, 2007, 10:20:05 PM
@GK
Quote from: giantkiller on December 20, 2007, 02:58:42 PM
I ordered the Walter Russell course today. How many yeaps will that place me ahead of the herd?
at least several hundred thousand yeaps I suspect! I have a copy of the 'The Universal One' on the way. ;D
@arma
Thanks for posting that very clear explanation of Russell for all. ;)
A
Great!
We will excel beyond the fetters of this sodden plain.
For there is only death where there is no growth.
And a grasp beyond the obvious is what makes kings of men.
--giantkiller.
.
@GK
I think we need a formal definition of this new temporal unit, the 'yeap', so we can all synchronise our watches/time machines! :P
A
@all
Apologies for posting this link again, but this document appears to be a real work of genius and I would encourage all to read it as it removes all the abstract mathematical sillyness and multiple dimensions from physics and appears to make far more sense... It may not be 100% correct but it must be very very close IMHO... particularly when viewed in the light of the work of Tesla, Pete Lindeman, Marinov & Walter Russell... all heading in this direction... and I suspect that Tom Bearden's work on the source charge problem either fits within this work or is supplanted by it... ho hum... all converging in a creative vortex... and this document must be near the nexus!
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
It does rather support the idea of environmental energy and unity energy as described by all the above... and proven by numerous builders... both dead and alive...
A
hello all
gk
a song and a video that can not go a miss
i have posted this in other threds but it seams to fit right hear i am no fan of war guns or all that shit
y?
we have all been given 2 choices in life from those we chose our own path ;D but we all know wich is the right path to walk there is only 1 :o
for some of you blinded by the BS out there
WAKE UP
watch this video and see why i dont like guns
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7FF0cS9s6Aw
i surrport no BS
and remember it is a Mark 'n Steve thing ;) 4:40
His Team !! we are all a peice of his HARD WORK and can make our own choice to be on his team
for me i speek it as it is
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@acerzw
Thanks for the link. Not trying to be mean or discount..........but I went to the page, jumped to page 26, definition of electric field, read about 6 lines and closed it. This may be a good article but.........what it is trying to do is bridge the gap between Russlian / SVP / Schauberger-eske phisics and what we have now.
This is a large mistake. The gift these men gave us was not meant to work with modern understanding, it was meant to replace it. What we have now is a half truth, and quite frankly we dove so far into it that we cannot really revisit these concepts until we understand the the fundamental wheelwork of nature.
For example, on page 26, it starts talking about positive and negative particles. Lets look at a bar magnet for sheits and giggles.
It has a positive pole a negative pole and a neutral. Hmmm, where are the positive negative and neutral particles? shouldn't every bar magnet look like 3 separate spheres? That is what modern science tells us! We assume that the nucleus of an atom has these particles, but the deeper we delve into this the more confusing things get.
A while back our eminent scientists declared that we could no longer call the electron a point particle and it is now to be considered more of a cloud, since it is mathematically impossible to pinpoint its location at any given time (thanks Heisenberg) Now So now we have a nucleus and a gas of negativity........or space. How is this different from our planet? We are a large chunk of matter separated by a large expanse of space, and Lowe and be hold, we do not have separate sheres for each of these polar states.
I think when you are a few Yeaps ahead, you will notice that I interchangeably used a planet with an atom, and threw a bar magnet in there as well (of which our planet is a variation) This is not a mistake, and serves a valid point.....I will let you guys think about that one a bit.
Think nothing but polarization. even a ball rolling on the floor displays this characteristic. It has its negative region (where it has been) it has its positive region (where it is going) and there is a point in between, so when re roll a ball, we should See it separate into 3 different polar spheres. ??? I mean thats how we model the atom.
Lets all take a moment and laugh at the idea of an "electron" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
@arma
good points, as always well made. However since a hypothetical ball can always continue rolling in theory say on a planet, the middle point at any given time would be in a different place, or are we only to assess this once it has stopped rolling. I find it difficult to compare the ball with all the other examples you mention as they have fixed neutral points when the ball in this way of thinking does not. Also the neutral in a planet and a magnet is part of its 'physical' makeup where as the balls neutral is not part of the ball but a place in relation to its movement over time.
I know time is an illusion, but is there a better understanding of this from what your have learnt of Russell's philosophy?
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The current realization here is 'We are way beyond copper'. That is good. :)
--giantkiller. Frequency equals matter. Don't think it. Live it!
Quote from: acerzw on December 21, 2007, 09:57:40 AM
@arma
good points, as always well made. However since a hypothetical ball can always continue rolling in theory say on a planet, the middle point at any given time would be in a different place, or are we only to assess this once it has stopped rolling. I find it difficult to compare the ball with all the other examples you mention as they have fixed neutral points when the ball in this way of thing does not. Also the neutral in a planet and a magnet is part of its 'physical' makeup where as the balls neutral is not part of the ball but a place in relation to its movement over time.
I know time is an illusion, but is there a better understanding of this from what your have learnt of Russell's philosophy?
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The ball moving on the ground is not an example of a magnet in the way you are thinking, I just simply gave many different examples of polarization and the ball was an example of how to view motion as polarization. You could think of it in terms of the Doppler Effect if you like, the soundwaves will be decompressed behind the ball (negative) and compressed in front (positive) and if you are traveling right along side it, you will hear the sound at its true pitch (neutral) or if the ball has stooped moving, it has returned to neutral, and all will hear the sound at its correct pitch. Moving the ball creates polarization, stopping it depolarizes it.
As for earth. It is actually like two bar magnets with a gap in between in the center, try this for yourself, if iron fillings are placed in the gap it creates a sphere in the center that pulls iron inward towards its center (gravity?) But lets take a different look at earth, what if the earth itself is positive (matter, concentrating, gravity) and the vacuity of space is negative, like two concentric spheres sharing the same center (I know that is the definition of concentric, so please refrain from a correction). The difference is that space forms in cubes, and matter forms in spheres they are polar opposites. This is getting way ahead of the curve here though, and you will find this in a few Yeaps I'm sure.
You see polarization is key to everything, matter has its polar opposite space, movement is a manifestation of polarization itself. I suggest looking for this in whole objects, movement, everything. Notice that there is even polarization within polarization. Movement is the polar opposite of peace, yet within movement there is a positive and negative as well that gives it magnitude and direction. Much the same as earth being positive, space being negative, yet earth has still a positive and negative polet itself.
If you cannot see movement as polerization, if you cannot picture everything and I mean everything as polarity, then you do not understand electricity........this is the first step.
@arma
Thanks again for yet another clear explanation, it kind of makes sense to me that everything in existence is part of a fractal of polarisation, which seems to be the ultimate level of understanding from what you are saying. I suspect as you say if I invest enough Yeaps I will get there... and I will invest my Yeaps for sure...
It seems quite clear that while all matter equals energy, obviously not all energy equals matter, which makes E=MC2 a joke. It is increasingly clear that the existence of particles have been adopted as a convenient mathematical fiction, which as time goes on is really proving to be less than convenient to theoretical physicists who are clearly beginning to run out of ways to patch the glaring contradictions in non-ether based physics... clearly there may well be multiple dimensions of reality but not as envisaged by string theory etc... ho hum interesting times...
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Now wouldn't it be interesting that the information here would make the current physics knowledge obsolete and Einstein theory break.
Quite the accomplishment, eh?
--giantkiller. So simple, just remove time.
p.s. I have a friend who is into astromony. They measuse everything by time. I told him about radiant energy being faster. Now he laughs at the whole current measurement model.
Which brings up another quote from the Bible. God spoke everything into existance and then gave light! Whoa. Sounds like the RE model.
Quote from: giantkiller on December 21, 2007, 10:56:26 AM
The current realization here is 'We are way beyond copper'. That is good. :)
--giantkiller. Frequency equals matter. Don't think it. Live it!
So next time someone tells me i'm not a living interference pattern i could ask then to rethink their grasp of physics.
@LJ,
They are all still flatlanders and don't know it. We, on the other hand are not, based upon what we are pursuing here.
There are 3 types of men. Those who follow. Those who lead. And those who are smarter than the rest. 8) Must be why we are here?
--giantkiller. Pretty phenominal place in the schedule.
@Localjoe
Based on the information in this post I would insist upon it... holographic is a possibility...
@GK, all
An interesting post on the TPU-ECD replication thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg65495.html#msg65495
The above article has a link to this page: http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm
which is similar to the information provided in the free e-books on this site:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=30
and it all dovetails quite nicely into the works of Mr Russell...
It is of course mostly dominated by references to classical physics, though it does sound good, and we must not forget in some cases that while the classical physics description is wrong, if the phenomenon being demonstrated is measurable (but perhaps not all aspects are captured, by classical measurements) that there must be an equivalent explanation in the new Rusellian style ether/polarity/potential physics that we appear to be transitioning to.
Oh and sorry to shatter your illusions that Einsteins Theory's are not already broken, they are and provably so... since the process of disassociating hydrogen molecules into atoms produces more output energy as heat than E=MC2 allows. It takes 103 cal/gram of endothermic energy to disassociate a hydrogen molecule which produces 109,000 cal/gram output energy which is an excess of 108,897 cal/gram, clearly E=MC2 does not hold for hydrogen. And remember Einstein's theory is a conversion theory, yet at the end of the process the hydrogen atoms still exist! So just the atoms themselves break his theory without taking the excess energy into account... oops...
It appears the input energy in the reaction is a seed/catalyst and the excess energy is received from the zero point field/vacuum fluctuations. The truth of this has been obscured by the use of different measuring units/false figures etc... many modern books have different figures than the older books, and apparently the atomic hydrogen torch, which uses this reaction for welding was discontinued because it demonstrated this quite clearly. This is why cold-fusion and other techniques using hydrogen are viable methods of producing excess energy... producing 2.7 times the amount of energy when compared to a similar amount of petroleum...
The scary thing is helium produces 460,000 cal/gram output for similarly low input energy, which is around 10.5 times the amount produced by a similar amount of petroleum (n-Heptane)...
Apparently all elements below atomic number 19 also exhibit this ability in one way or another due to the unpaired 'electrons' in their 'shells'... oh my... can we say multiple violations, and I am sure I can find plenty of references to others, but hey since only one is required to break the theory no need to count them!
This info came from "Occult Ether Physics" by William Lyne, which is a good book but still has some particle sillyness in it...
A, waiting for a 'defence' against this to be posted by some classically deluded fool...
Quote from: acerzw on December 21, 2007, 02:29:54 PM
A, waiting for a 'defence' against this to be posted by some classically deluded fool...
I shudder at the thought of just being a witness... :D
But then again I put my money on unclassical knowledge. Nice post.
--giantkiller.
@all
Oh, and in addition to the above, just to nail the lid on the coffin, what are the two most common elements in the Universe? Only hydrogen and helium... so pretty much all of the matter in the Universe is likely to break the theory at one time or another... and of course the sun is 75% hydrogen... so when you look into the sky you see one of the largest slow burning OverUnity devices that exists... just incase you need proof it's there in front of your face (barring clouds) every single day of your life... quite a big clue huh! That must be a mega oops...
even the classically trained are beginning to wonder about Einstein...
http://www.comprsci.howard.edu/masspace.htm
but still attempting to rectify the paradox's his work leaves behind, alas...
And Einstein was clearly a clever fellow, hence I suspect after he discovered the error of his ways when he was confronted with Quantum Sillyness Theory, he probably decided not to publish his completed unified theory in the light of what was done with E=MC2, however he may have given it to the MIB's, or perhaps they took it from him, after his part in the dissappearing ship sillyness, so who know's what the final verdict on him will be... which of course will be reliably recorded by classical revisionist history... ho hum
Perhaps Tesla was wise when he told Russell to hide his cosmology... still I am sure that won't stop us ;D
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mistake ;D
@armageddon
I think what you are calling polarization is what I call energy form. I believe there is energy in orbital or vortex form and there is energy in
linear or straight form. The two energy forms do not convert into one
but interact. Time is but a description of these two energy forms interplaying. If all were the same twice would time have advanced?. If
nothing changes does time advance? What we call wave form of an energy is the play of vortex energy as it swims through a sea of linear energy. Earth is a greater concentration of vortex energy (where straight energy is bent into all sorts of directions) compared to space where straight energy predominates. The vortex energy always attracting vortex energy the straight energy always trying to flow straight away. Magnetism is straight energy flow patterns while gravity is vortex energy flow patterns. This balanced dance of two energy forms creates the universe.
Einstein's greatest contribution to physics was his reference to the observer. He described the Universe as being relative to an observer. I believe he was right. The observer is the mind, for without it there is nothing.
@sparks 'energy form' got me thinking....
@all
I have a radical solid-state vacuum energy device idea which I want to run past you..... it is as usual with me a bit far out... but here goes...
To fully understand this idea I recommend you read this great page, a link to which I posted on page 39...
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm
You could search google video for "cymatics" too, an example:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5860842
In summary a two or three dimensional form is created when a standing wave (or moving wave with the right frequencies) is contained or restricted by a barrier which is impermeable to it but reflects it. Adjusting the frequency of the wave source and the size of the barrier changes the shape created, so:
Now suppose we create a metal/wire sphere, which might need to be electromagnetically charged. Now we place in the centre of this sphere a perfect electromagnetic energy broadcast source perhaps a small metallic sphere, such that it can radiate electromagnetic pulses outward in an almost perfect spherical wave.
Using the principles of cymatics, we then tune the electromagnetic pulses from our central source so that they create a cymatic energy form inside the wire/metal sphere. This form of our choosing will have either node points (in the case of platonic solid forms) or points of high energy concentration (in the case of other patterns). Now I suspect if the pressure/stress created in the ether at these points was high enough then a specially designed energy capture probe placed at these points, by inserting through the spherical metal sphere/mesh, might have a reaction caused in it that allows it to extract vacuum energy. If the device was a metal sphere perhaps the probes could just be round plates built into its walls at the node intervals. (There might be anti-nodes to if Russell is correct that could be tapped too, or perhaps the potential between nodes and anti-nodes could be used?)
The design of the probe would probably have to include severals parts/elements organised in a specific way in order to create a potential which the vacuum energy under the extreme stresses would be obliged to fill in order to attempt to bring the system back into equilibrium. This might mean pulsing the probes with a field of some type.
In order to make the containment barrier effective it might need to be charged or pulsed in some way... as it needs to reflect the contained pulses... not absorb them...
This is kind of based on Russell and Keeley, but particularly Schauberger, who showed a very high pressure energy vortex has a central hi-stress nodal point at the center which can tap vacuum energy... The shape of the device also reminds me of Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower...
The tuning would have to be very specific in terms of the size of the sphere, the frequencies and materials used. But it seems logical to me that it would work. Plus depending on the Cymatic form created due to the frequencies used the number of nodes/high energy points can be increased (made very dense indeed) and thus the number of probes, increasing the output. Indeed if the correct structure design/material were used it might be possible to replace the probes with an internal three dimensional energy collection mesh made of wire in order to be able to tap internal high energy/stress points within the form, if the more complex forms were used... we must remember here that materials can be invisible to waves of certain frequencies so the right material could support a grid of collection devices yet not interfere with the wave energy.
This basic theory is semi-supported by the comment I have seen on other energy forums that the "Joe Cell" energy device is designed around a wave form, its concentric rings coincide with a wave form as shown in the Walter Russel energy diagram at the end of this post.
I do not think the input energy's would necessarily need to be high, just the frequencies, so the input output ratio might be pretty good. I can think of many variations of this idea, it seems to me to be a potentially important key...
Waves are three dimensional, we only use two dimensions in our current devices so are wasting tons of energy, we need to go 3D! Surely a "Joe Cell" of concentric spheres would be more efficient than the current design. 8)
If the sphere were filled with hydrogen, helium or water using the right frequency (possibly of sound) there might be enough energy at the high stress points to disassociate the molecules and produce excess heat (as described in my page 39 post). If the metal sphere of the liquid/gas is placed in a pressurised compartment filled with water the heat from the sphere would heat the water producing steam which could run a turbine to produce more energy. The liquid/gas in the internal sphere would need to be pumped through it and cooled at a later stage which would cause it to recombine and then it could be passed through the system again... a closed system. The energy produced on the output could be used to power the internal frequency generator thus creating a self-running system. This reactor design is documented in "Occult Ether Physics" by William Lyne. Can we say super efficient cold fusion reactor!
Someone, Tesla? probably did this already? A Cymatic Energy Form Generator...
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Quote from: acerzw on December 22, 2007, 06:49:27 AM
In order to make the containment barrier effective it might need to be charges or pulsed in some way... as it needs to reflect the contained pulses... not absorb them...
This is kind of based on a Russell and Keeley, but particularly Schauberger, who showed energy vortex which have a central hi-stress nodal point at the center can tap vacuum energy... The shape also reminds me of Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower...
The tuning would have to be very specific in terms of the size of the sphere, the frequencies and materials used. But it seems logical to me that it would work. Plus depending on the Cymatic form created due to the frequencies used the number of nodes/high energy points can be increased and thus the number of probes, increasing the output. Indeed if the correct structure design/material were used it might be possible to replace the probes with an internal three dimensional energy collection mesh made of wire in order to be able to tap internal high energy/stress points within the form, if the more complex forms were used...
I do not think the input energy's would necessarily need to be high, just the frequencies, so the input output ratio might be pretty good. I can think of many variations of this idea, it seems to me to be a potentially important key...
Someone, Tesla? probably did this already? A Cymatic Energy Form Generator...
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Given the size of Wardenclyffe, I bet Tesla could point to any intersection on the planet, through the planet, or ionospheric deflection. All or any of these transmissions could be time shifted to get to a certain focal point like the Tunguska event. Just like John Hutchinson does with the 3 frequencies. Not so far fetched is it?
The ionosphere is the containment chamber.
--giantkiller. Frequency equals matter. Well, if that is the case then frequency can move matter.
@GK
Natures way, an artificial earth energy grid created by reflected waves... with high stress node points... for power taps...
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@GK
Increase the scale and Galaxies could be nodes in a universal cymatic wave form... so we need to abolish the speed of light, there must be super-luminal waves of some form... and perhaps a central universal oscillator? Oops again the big E takes another kicking... ::)
What dings me is the human Merkarba energy field is clearly a cymatic energy form (as are all forms, complex combinations thereof), so what the hell does the energy reflect off of to create the two tetrahedrons (from male wave and female anti-wave oscillations)... ho hum... answers on a post or postcard... to bemused of OU forum... (I suspect an ultra high frequency energy shell of some kind, personally)
The universe must be littered with energy shells containing cymatic wave forms? Like Russian Dolls, fractal in form...
This Russellian Energy/Cosmology/Philosophy... WoW! Makes it all seem so simple... As Above, So Below...
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As always: Same rules, different place.
-giantkiller.
I think the TPU does build a spherical cage. If the energy in the vortex created by the collector winding is accelerted the torroidal magnetic field starts to pump up. The field goes from a donut to a sphere with a "peaceful" axle roughly the size of the inner diameter of the collector ring. I can rest assured that the zone between the collector (I like to call it the attractor) and the magnetic outer shell is loaded with energy waves. Most of them emitted by the attractor current intensity changes. I wouldn't want to put my hands in there but I bet a luminescent material would shine like the sun in there. If the energy in the attractor winding starts to become waveless or in other words approaches pure dc then the magnetic field will also stabilize. This stabilization will amount in greatly reduced losses from the system. The only way to stabalize the attractor current is to seperate the power driving the attractor winding from the input/output energy flow. This is how I intend to build a TPU (if I can ever find the time). In the TPU the torroidal/spherical field does 3 things. It shields attracted energy from disturbing the attractor vortex. It guides and concentrates energy to the polar areas of the shell and it acts as an energy diode allowing energy to enter the vortex but not escape it. My intent is to trap energy guided by the mag field and attracted by the attractor vortex on capacitor plates posed just above the attractor winding. It will then be necessary to supply energy to the attractor winding from a seperate supply. My hopes is that the supply current necessary for the attractor winding will be far less than the capacitor or collected energy current.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze76b18/energyfortheworld/id5.html
I post this to show that high speeds can be attained while using low frequencies. This was a coil with 3 opposing magnet pairs attached around the sides.
Simply a suggestion.....
It would seem that we are making theory and conjecture before the fundamentals are understood. Nothing wrong with that as it is part of the learning process, but......(and this is only my opinion of course!).......
There are a few on this forum who have given complete solutions to what we seek. They have given hints, plans, and more. The problem is that the people evaluating and rebuilding, do not understand the function of these devices, and so have very little hope of getting them to work. So what happens? they throw together a model, it doesn't work and they move on to something else, only to be disappointed once again. A person could spend a lifetime in this self defeating cyclic process. They key to understanding is knowledge of the fundamental energy unit, knowledge of electricity.
So this is what I propose.....
In light of what you have uncovered so far......what is magnetism? what is "static electricity" what is gravity, and how might they all be the same? (acerzw....3d!!!!)
"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
What does this mean? it does not fit with most peoples views, why?
What If I were to say "the male force polarizes, the female force depolarizes" or "Gravity polarizes, radiation depolarizes"
How does this fit with our views on EMF and BEMF? What is BEMF?
If we place a hot iron on one side of a room, and ice on the other, is there an electric current present? If the hot iron is radiating, is it male or female? if the hot iron is getting is increasing in energy, is it predominantly male of female, concentrating or decentrating?
How do concentration and decentration interact?
I see alot of pretty pictures with no talk of what they mean........ its not enough to accept that something may be true, the truth is self evident, hence your study into these brilliant men, but lets try and actually understand energy before harnessing it.
Quote from: armagdn03 on December 23, 2007, 12:59:59 AM
Simply a suggestion.....
It would seem that we are making theory and conjecture before the fundamentals are understood. Nothing wrong with that as it is part of the learning process, but......(and this is only my opinion of course!).......
There are a few on this forum who have given complete solutions to what we seek. They have given hints, plans, and more. The problem is that the people evaluating and rebuilding, do not understand the function of these devices, and so have very little hope of getting them to work. So what happens? they throw together a model, it doesn't work and they move on to something else, only to be disappointed once again. A person could spend a lifetime in this self defeating cyclic process. They key to understanding is knowledge of the fundamental energy unit, knowledge of electricity.
So this is what I propose.....
In light of what you have uncovered so far......what is magnetism? what is "static electricity" what is gravity, and how might they all be the same? (acerzw....3d!!!!)
"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
What does this mean? it does not fit with most peoples views, why?
What If I were to say "the male force polarizes, the female force depolarizes" or "Gravity polarizes, radiation depolarizes"
How does this fit with our views on EMF and BEMF? What is BEMF?
If we place a hot iron on one side of a room, and ice on the other, is there an electric current present? If the hot iron is radiating, is it male or female? if the hot iron is getting is increasing in energy, is it predominantly male of female, concentrating or decentrating?
How do concentration and decentration interact?
I see alot of pretty pictures with no talk of what they mean........ its not enough to accept that something may be true, the truth is self evident, hence your study into these brilliant men, but lets try and actually understand energy before harnessing it.
Great post!
"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
"Positive Charge" equally and simultaneously emitting and absorbing, while "Negative Discharge" only casting reflections? It would seem impossible to directly observe "Negative Discharge", only the effects of its presence on emissive/absorptive processes(reflections that modulate cyclical "Positive Charge" effects by phase-interfering?)
Quote from: Shanjaq on December 23, 2007, 04:07:22 PM
"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
"Positive Charge" equally and simultaneously emitting and absorbing, while "Negative Discharge" only casting reflections? It would seem impossible to directly observe "Negative Discharge", only the effects of its presence on emissive/absorptive processes(reflections that modulate cyclical "Positive Charge" effects by phase-interfering?)
positive charge is the polar opposite of negative discharge, the same way emission and absorbtion are polar oposites.
But if Positive charge does both simultaniously, then so must negative reflect that, in that it must be simultaniously doing both as well, for all is balanced.
Perhaps this is where you were going, but to say that it "only casts reflections" is giving it the short end of the stick, for it is equal and opposite to positive, and just the same one could just as easily say that positive charge is only the reflection of negative discharge.
Updated..
Here is the secondary coil of the trigger stage.
Slight changes along the way will happen.
For instance, if the ring were to be put at the other end and triggered. That would create a magnetic field surging up through the center coil. That field would hit the firing ring like a magnetic field feedback loop. Whoa...
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I think there is no positve there is no negative. There is only energy taking on a new form. I believe there are two essential forms of energy though. The energy of attraction and the energy of dispersion. These two energy forms are essential and do not convert into one another. They just play with each other. Their seperation vital else all would cease to change. Thats why the Universe is such a wonderous place. A continual mix and experimentation of the two energy forms. The energy forms constantly dancing and wrestling, dieing and birthing, contracting and expanding, all for the entertainment of the observer. The one unifying being. Call it what you may. The observer, the one, the alpha and omega, the mind, the supreme being. It was, it is, it will be. Now if I can just get my new cec to work I can give some energy forms a chance at peace and prosperity instead of the chaos and toil that increasingly predominates our being. A little help from the ancients wouldn't hurt right about now either.
The dipole dichotomy is presented many ways.
--giantkiller. Merry Christmas! The King was rejected from birth. ;)
@GK
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--giantkiller. Merry Christmas! The King was rejected from birth. ;)
I am sure you mean Elvis!
@arma
When you said
Quote"(acerzw... 3D!!!)"
was that meaning bad or good? I just think 2 dimensional circuits and coils are a waste of time, nature is fully 3D and most devices even with coils do not exploit the complete area of the fields they use... oh and thanks for your explanation of the charges, I am trying to get my head around it, I know it is true.
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"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
Would you clarify is this relationship symmetrical? Is there a positive discharge, when negative attracts negative, and does positive discharge therefore repel negative discharge and negative charge?
I am just having to shake out all the old preconceptions and remodel that part of my neural net... if only it was like Star Trek or Paycheck and you could just edit your neuronal pathways directly... eek
I don't think my Cymatic Device idea is too affected by my lack of understanding of Russell's ideas... incorporating them would probably make it even more efficient...
@GK, arma
I am slightly amused that with us adopting Russellian physics etc... it will soon appear to the un-initiated that we are talking another language... ;D
And still no reliable definition of the Yeap, can you have micro-Yeaps and mega-Yeaps? Can I measure them using a special device, I have heard Pickled Gherkins (very fortuitously available at this time of year in party food) can be used for that... :P
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Quote from: acerzw on December 24, 2007, 01:09:09 PM
@GK
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--giantkiller. Merry Christmas! The King was rejected from birth. ;)
I am sure you mean Elvis!
@arma
When you said Quote"(acerzw... 3D!!!)"
was that meaning bad or good? I just think 2 dimensional circuits and coils are a waste of time, nature is fully 3D and most devices even with coils do not exploit the complete area of the fields they use... oh and thanks for your explanation of the charges, I am trying to get my head around it, I know it is true.
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"Positive charge attracts positive charge and expels negative discharge. Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge." Walter Russell
Would you clarify is this relationship symmetrical? Is there a positive discharge, when negative attracts negative, and does positive discharge therefore repel negative discharge and negative charge?
I am just having to shake out all the old preconceptions and remodel that part of my neural net... if only it was like Star Trek or Paycheck and you could just edit your neuronal pathways directly... eek
I don't think my Cymatic Device idea is too affected by my lack of understanding of Russell's ideas... incorporating them would probably make it even more efficient...
@GK, arma
I am slightly amused that with us adopting Russellian physics etc... it will soon appear to the un-initiated that we are talking another language... ;D
And still no reliable definition of the Yeap, can you have micro-Yeaps and mega-Yeaps? Can I measure them using a special device, I have heard Pickled Gherkins (very fortuitously available at this time of year in party food) can be used for that... :P
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The far reaching nature of all the OU physics should not be weighed down by any misconceptions taught in academia. I myself am not a purveyor or partaker of the status quo dished out by the current sense of society. Neither was Telsa. The Russellian physics lets us yeap to another plane. ;) If anybody here believes what they have been taught then this should prove a difficult path.
You have to dream to conquer, else you are asleep.
--giantkiller. Peaceful warrior.
I'm going to close my eyes and start dreaming right now.... LOL
Merry Xmas GK
EM
So I go downstairs and find this sign on the door.
. Danger... large dreaming tree in use.. Use With Extreme caution ...may turn you into a human being if side effects are experienced....
I don't know what to make of it.. I just decided to turn around at that point and go sit alone.
Ive yet to investigate this mystery room but i suspect that theres some interference going on in there... of the human kind
in reference to 3d
we exist in a 3d universe of energy, this in itself is nothing new to understand, but it must be understood that the nature of energy is not two dimensional, and should not be in our visualizations.
A friend told me once not to teach unless you have made it your own, as I am still a student, I cannot teach anything, only share what I have learned. This being said, I have found that all of my questions can be answered if I want the answer bad enough.
If you have questions, find the answers. Buy books, invest time, study diagrams for hours, research people who know more........erfinder has given many descriptions, have you read all of his undeleted posts?
If I find an internet site I find interesting, I contact the creator and make friends, learn from them and exchange information, But most of all, you will find that the anwsers are within yourself, and you dont always have to go to others........
What about finding parallels in other areas of life...........positive people atract positive people.....etc....etc...etc....
I have been reconstructing a few of teslas patents, and will be posting them for questions soon, when I am satisfied with my creations (which I cannot take credit for)
@localjoe
Why would you not want to enter the room....?
@arma
As you say, I have much studying of erfinder's posts to do, some heavy filters required, so much ranting in those posts (understandably), I have an archive of that entire thread plus all the responses from others, diagrams etc, I am going to make that trail a bit easier to follow for all the those that decide too...
I look forward to seeing your Tesla posts...
@GK
So a Yeap is a measure of distance.... penny drops... one large Yeap for mankind... about the length of a Pickled Gherkin?
A, Happy Xmas All!
I have succeeded in finding in measuring picoyieps to an accuracy of plus or minus 1%!
Quote from: armagdn03 on December 25, 2007, 12:39:12 PM
I have succeeded in finding in measuring picoyieps to an accuracy of plus or minus 1%!
Or 1 quadrature of a yumping yimmeny. LOL.
We are going to have a good year. :D
--giantkiller.
Just want to post an illustration (just published on my website) regarding the tpu magnetic field build. It seems to look something like a rodinsphere. I just drew in straight lines to depict the bent magnetic field lines. Maybe they bend according to Rodin's math. I sure as hell can't draw them in that way but it may well be the case.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze76b18/energyfortheworld/id5.html
Update.
Moved the firing ring to the outer end. It will now be in its own pulse wave.
--giantkiller. Stuck in a snow storm and no inventory to start building the the controller.
Quote from: giantkiller on December 26, 2007, 12:32:58 PM
Moved the firing ring to the outer end. It will now be in its own pulse wave.
Ever get the feeling that you are not in Kansas anymore? ;)
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@GK
I keep coming across PHI and the number 432 lately ...
"PHI is the only constant which can be divided by itself, to yield itself, and be multiplied by itself to yield itself, as occurs in the perfect heterodyning of toroidal waveforms. In other words when two coherent wave toroids make love, their children [heterodyning], are the sum of the two parental toroids multiplication and addition of themselves and each other, this renders the wavelength of their children)."
from http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/SuperPHI.html
and http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/heterophi/heterophi.html (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/heterophi/heterophi.html)
tak
@ Tak22 and GK
From the page Tak22 posted
So what's Phi got to do with this?
Phi possesses the strange property of being able to automatically generate its power series when heterodyned successively with its own next-higher or lower powers! I believe this fact is a key to many fascinating areas yet to be discovered. As far as I can tell, this trait is not shared by any other number. Dan Winter seems to be on the right track on this one, for sure.
Powers of Phi
Phi^0 = 1
Phi^1 = 1.6180339
Phi^2 = 2.6180339
Phi^3 = 4.2360672
Phi^4 = 6.8541004
Phi^5 = 11.0901669
... etc...
Now, what do you suppose happens when we take two frequencies, f1 = 1 unit, and f2 = a frequency that is Phi times larger, or f2 = 1.6180339, and modulate them-- nonlinearly mix them-- in an AM modulator? The two new frequencies are the sum, which is 2.6180339-- hey, that's the same as Phi^2, and the difference, which is .6180339-- hey, isn't that Phi to the -1th power? Yup, it is. So we stumble upon the very interesting fact that powers of Phi are automatically generated whenever we "heterodyne" or modulate two frequencies that are related by a ratio equal to Phi.
If we use a slightly more developed form of AM modulator, we can suppress the carrier entirely (and the audio, too) and just get the sum and difference frequencies out. This is what is done in a balanced modulator, and this is called suppressed-carrier double-sideband transmission, just one step away from the single-sideband that Hams and CBers are familiar with.
So here's what we can do: Wire up a string or sequence of balanced modulators; the next one will have the frequencies of Phi^1 and Phi^2 as inputs; the two outputs will be Phi^3 (USB) and Phi^0 (LSB). Feed this into the next one: Phi^2 and Phi^3 will give Phi^4 and Phi^1; etc. Eventually you could generate a very large series of frequencies related by the powers of Phi.
And what if we were to rotate an acoustical field made up of Phi-related tones, or even white noise? Does the vortex/funnel shape, like a logarithmic curve, favor the Phi-ratioed frequencies by its very curvature?
1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34.... how can a bunch of Fibonacci integers give rise to one of the strangest and most prevalent of the irrational numbers, Phi?....
Still more findings... I think theres something there captain ... sensors to full
And this is exactly what I am heading for.
I am going to apply combinations like this. The latest coil build will be able to be pulsed in a huge number of combinations. I will always increase the bit precision of the frequencies.
And mods in the future.
I am still winding and am chomping at the bit to get this next one setup and running. I will point it at an EGA monitor screen to see the field patterns.
I can taste the flexibility but many more steps to do.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Localjoe on December 26, 2007, 04:13:13 PM
@ Tak22 and GK
From the page Tak22 posted
So what's Phi got to do with this?
Phi possesses the strange property of being able to automatically generate its power series when heterodyned successively with its own next-higher or lower powers! I believe this fact is a key to many fascinating areas yet to be discovered. As far as I can tell, this trait is not shared by any other number. Dan Winter seems to be on the right track on this one, for sure.
Powers of Phi
Phi^0 = 1
Phi^1 = 1.6180339
Phi^2 = 2.6180339
Phi^3 = 4.2360672
Phi^4 = 6.8541004
Phi^5 = 11.0901669
... etc...
Now, what do you suppose happens when we take two frequencies, f1 = 1 unit, and f2 = a frequency that is Phi times larger, or f2 = 1.6180339, and modulate them-- nonlinearly mix them-- in an AM modulator? The two new frequencies are the sum, which is 2.6180339-- hey, that's the same as Phi^2, and the difference, which is .6180339-- hey, isn't that Phi to the -1th power? Yup, it is. So we stumble upon the very interesting fact that powers of Phi are automatically generated whenever we "heterodyne" or modulate two frequencies that are related by a ratio equal to Phi.
If we use a slightly more developed form of AM modulator, we can suppress the carrier entirely (and the audio, too) and just get the sum and difference frequencies out. This is what is done in a balanced modulator, and this is called suppressed-carrier double-sideband transmission, just one step away from the single-sideband that Hams and CBers are familiar with.
So here's what we can do: Wire up a string or sequence of balanced modulators; the next one will have the frequencies of Phi^1 and Phi^2 as inputs; the two outputs will be Phi^3 (USB) and Phi^0 (LSB). Feed this into the next one: Phi^2 and Phi^3 will give Phi^4 and Phi^1; etc. Eventually you could generate a very large series of frequencies related by the powers of Phi.
And what if we were to rotate an acoustical field made up of Phi-related tones, or even white noise? Does the vortex/funnel shape, like a logarithmic curve, favor the Phi-ratioed frequencies by its very curvature?
1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34.... how can a bunch of Fibonacci integers give rise to one of the strangest and most prevalent of the irrational numbers, Phi?....
Still more findings... I think theres something there captain ... sensors to full
My wife brings home a dvd. It is called 'The story of the weeping camel'. It is about a distraught mother camel who dejects her new born calf in the Mongolian Gobi desert.
Follow along with me here.
A voilinist hangs his instrustment on the camel's first hump. It is a 2 string violin. How many notes? Its 2 cords, arga (bass) bilig (soprano).
The camel is always griping and bitching with erratic breathing.
Well at certain breaths the voilin resonates. That's right, voilin resonates. This catches the camel's attention. The camel then controls it breathing into harmony with the sounds it hears.
Now the mother lets the calf nurse.
But it gets better.
The breathing changes still more and the camel and violin are one.
The violinist removes the violin, walks back a few paces and plays the instrument.
The mother camel starts pushing the calf into the teet area. Then as the rancher's wife sings and the violinist plays, the camel weeps. For real...
And this happens just a couple of miles north of Tibet.
--giantkiller. Our technology compares not to the laws and knowledge of the ancients.
@GK
Yea it does take ya back to reality.. anyways after looking at Otto's 3 stack drawing and finding out that he made a point about the physical distance between 3 collectors when measure the gaps were .618 and 1.618 phi and Phi i had to mention this again in here .. Now your device is different but in the sense of a BFO that spacing may actually make a huge difference.. just a thought.
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on December 27, 2007, 04:01:13 PM
@GK
Yea it does take ya back to reality.. anyways after looking at Otto's 3 stack drawing and finding out that he made a point about the physical distance between 3 collectors when measure the gaps were .618 and 1.618 phi and Phi i had to mention this again in here .. Now your device is different but in the sense of a BFO that spacing may actually make a huge difference.. just a thought.
Joe
We're going there, bud. The guides that are blue tubes in drawing.
I am going to use vinyl tubes used for Bathroom sink feeds. The coils will be abe to traverse the guides for physical adjustment.
Keely's items could move too.
Any frequency combos, numbers, spans, physical adjustments will be assessed and tried. Consider this like a spreadsheet.
At this time I have all (3) 4 turn collectors wound with 230 turn controllers with 25 turn dual opposing controls on top of those. Finally.
Now I get to multitask down parallel design paths. The controller, the tube, the open config of the coil connections.
One of those little transformers are what is in one the open tpu legs.
--giantkiller.
@GK
Nice work, that adjustable setup is the business! Very envious, an amazing range of effects that you will be able to produce with that... will you publish the full specs when your done so others may build it? Seems like the ideal research tool...
Interesting about those transformers too, missed that the first time around...
Did your Russell course arrive? How are you finding it? I am waiting for my copy of the The Universal One to arrive...
I have read some of his work on light, very interesting and I am sure his stuff about the neutral and discharges etc as quoted by armagdn03 is correct. I am however experiencing difficulty in getting my head around how he believes a light spiral is caused by the reflection off of six divisions in a cube. I need to keep re-reading it, as he seems to be referring to two frames of reference and that there is some kind of distortion in our perception of the phenomenon... eek... mind bending... arma if you have a handle on this I would be grateful if you can explain it more clearly...
A
Quote from: acerzw on December 28, 2007, 07:23:53 AM
@GK
Nice work, that adjustable setup is the business! Very envious, an amazing range of effects that you will be able to produce with that... will you publish the full specs when your done so others may build it? Seems like the ideal research tool...
Interesting about those transformers too, missed that the first time around...
Did your Russell course arrive? How are you finding it? I am waiting for my copy of the The Universal One to arrive...
I have read some of his work on light, very interesting and I am sure his stuff about the netural and discharges etc as quoted by armagdn03 is correct. I am however experiencing difficulty in getting my head around how he believes a light spiral is caused by the relection off of six divisions in a cube. I need to keep re-reading it, as he seems to be refering to two frames of reference and that there is some kind of distortion in our perception of the phenomenon... eek... mindbending... arma if you have a handle on this I would be grateful if you can explain it more clearly...
A
Yes I will publish full specs. In the first couple stages as I throw this together I insert better assembly plans for a production process. Might as well. All the little stages have produced effects. Of these, other experimenters have done. I don't want a rats nest as I go along. The configurability has already taken effect on posters here. So yes, this is going to be fun to test with and not only with what I come up with but all of you too.
I hope my Russell course comes today. This will be the next step after any mechanical setups. Whoa buddy! I bet the BFG fits inline with certain levels of Russellian expressions.
Now that the layers are wound I can focus on the attachment in the whole setup and this does include distance variability. I am thinking of building a JNLABS mag field tester he used on his LMD experiments. I could use an old ear plug ear phone. Also have the EGA monitor. I do believe my outer most layer is not of a substantial amount of copper. It could go toast. The standard stun gun circut has heaveir wire and thicker core plates, like steel, in its last stage for emission. The 30awg does work when many are in parallel. But only dartlets are emitted. The small amount of copper and the limitation of the mass cross section could help disable a large visual outburst. But I can just add a fourth stage that attaches to the focus tube. Last year I just whipped out the GK4 in a month. The driver circuit was started in October 2006. This new setup is inclusive of more mechanics and I don't plan on getting hurt this time. Mysterious or not.
It looks like the smaller amount of copper the higher the speed of the emmisions. If one wants a larger emmission at the visible level then just add more copper. It looks like a power sink and less of the internal power can escape into radiant energy, unharmonized(sloppy) scalar waves, a terrible amount of invisible noise.
The Russellian knowledge will equate to a grand leap forward.
--giantkiller. I truck on into the new year.
Your typical city involved in your typical daydream.... some times the lights are all shining on me and other times i can barley see. But lately it occurs to me .. what a Long strange trip its been..
8)
The addition of spherical balls as terminals in the Tesla spark gaps in his patents includes the wireless power transmission aspect in the circuits. The condensor in the circuit is the electron charge reservoir just like the planet on a smaller scale.
The spherical shape only transmits longitudinal waves. No Poynting vectors.
Another planet could be the other terminal. We just pump cycles into the earth to match the connecting planet. The spherical shape of the Earth can be used as the longitudinal transmitter and receiver.
Why? Because Tesla said so.
Also, the human heart is an EMP generator. The body a resonant cavity. Meditation helps place the heart in its closest state to perfect activity. Which the body follows and heals itself.
And:
Coherent fractality is evidenced in our universe by both the Fibonacci series of numbers, and its perfected partner the PHI harmonic cascade, where the scale changes, but the ratio remains the same, and no information is lost, mirror-to-mirror.
PHI is the only constant which can be divided by itself, to yield itself, and be multiplied by itself to yield itself, as occurs in the perfect heterodyning of toroidal waveforms. In other words when two coherent wave toroids make love, their children [heterodyning], are the sum of the two parental toroids multiplication and addition of themselves and each other, this renders the wavelength of their children).
--giantkiller. Damn....
Keep up the good work GK! The spherical shape is nothing other than a capacitive element, allowing a buildup before the discharge!
Christmas was good to me this year, I got at least 5 different broken appliances to strip, and one sweet ass circuit controller to build! I will give information to those who ask, ill probably post a bit of it on The Comm_Unity page (which I have yet to get setup!)
@ amra bro
i dont think they are ready
waite till you see my controlor lol
it is in the works ;D
im sure it will work to the max ;)
ist
@ IS get your rusty induction motor outa here .....
@Gk Found this in the transverter pdf posted by marcels... dont laugh we just have to accept its everywhere
Lets say you try preparing a
transformer were you can WIND the turns you want with the WIRE you want lets say it
is multi stranded hi frequency RF wire 12 ,8, 6 Gage, wire your Core to a point is in the
highest Q at a frequency were the NATURAL core metal resonates " fundamental
ferroresonance in this case " is taken TO an EXTREME Q AND ELEVATED
RESONANT STATES WITH PROPER MATCHING NETWORK AND FEEDBACK,
asÃ, SUCH the reactor BECOMES SELF SUBSTAINING by transferring Electron energy
to the system Core and coils whilst becoming COLD and superconductive,Ã, only when
the system becomes self incremental to a given point of maximal energy saturation and
resonance valance.
That is the secret of MEG VTA and Hendershot * Kohler device & others also apply ..
The basic gain is ***1.618**** over isotropic (virtual dipole) X the core Q multiplication factor
that is the ability to latch magnetically and gain energy from its Electro atomic
components.
I have stated before that if its able to wind an Iron kitchen sink and resonate it properly in
its natural resonance regions resonance you can extract energy from it in OU states! Like
tesla stated hundred years ago, all you need to create this potential is a SINK were the
energy flows and is transformed.
@ innovation
I've seen hundreds of those old dc generator armatures. It looks like a 6 volt one. They do put out great dc though. The modern day alternators put out dc in the 400hz (rippled dc) range. I think dc in the tpu will work though. The tpu is a manmade electron if you really think about it. I posted below a quote off my website on what I think is going on with what we call energy.
@ all
Some Heavy Thinking Borders On Philosophy
WILL POWER
I believe magnetism is an effect or force that is experienced when what is now being referred to as black energy meets vortex energy. Black energy is always trying to create a very uniform distribution of itself. It will flow only in an attempt to reach a state of equilibrium relative to itself. It wants to be everywhere at the same magnitude all the time. I believe it is not so much energy but is a Force or Will that wants everything kinda quiet. It is pushing galaxies around, not because it hates them, it just wants this part of the Universe to quiet down and become equalized.
Then there is the other side of the coin I call vortex energy. This Force or Will wants everything to concentrate. It's will is experienced by us in what we call gravity. It wants everything to concentrate into one single point. We see it's minor success story when a Star implodes, or a meteor vaporizes and becomes part of a planet. A more successful scene is when a complete galaxy is concentrated in a baseball sized form of being, as is the case when a black hole forms.
With the above in mind, I state that Marks' tpu is a large model of an electron or a small model of a planet with a minor modification. A third will is brought into play. The usual dance between the equilibrium and concentration wills is upset. I believe that ALL is structured by these two wills at play.
In the normal course of things, there would be an oscillation of being, governed by the two essential wills. I believe this is what gives rise to wave propogation and electron spin, chemical reactions, etc. By creating a sceanario whereby the "natural" dispersion of concentrated quonta is controlled by man, through a manmade energy flow circuit, man can now manipulate the essential wills play to his advantage. The tpu device is surely not the only assembly of quonta by man that will allow for this. More study of the interplay of the two essential wills, concentration and dispersion, can and hopefully will result in mankind's form of being improved to a state of harmony, peace and prosperity unprecedented in history.
AMEN ;) Sorry for the philosophy but this shit is starting to make sense to me.
Let's take a small yeap:
We take a wire and wrap it in a couple of loops, oh about 12 inches in diameter. Lets make it single ended as in the other end is not connected or connect it to +5v. Either way it is not hard to see what I am about to iterate.
It is proven that when a wire conducts the inertia drags the accompaning electrons (vector potential A) outside the conductor with. Electrons have mass. So we get a flow of mass along the side of the wire in the direction we are pulsing. I keep mentioning everything twice.
So when the pulse comes back around or returns to the point at which we pulsed the loop, we pulse again. We now have multiplication and addition with enertial movement.
We are heterodyning in space. 8)
The trailing edge of the pulse affords us the best effect to produce the rogue wave. But wait! Thats dangerous!
Let's go with positive/DC sine waves not AC. These are a sine wave where the bottom cycle is at or above ground. I think a small or adjustable bias from ground up would be a definate improvement. ;)
Now lets continuously pulse or push this wave in sync or just off Q? Q is not needed here. We are in synch with the inertial mass coming around. At this point we tap the merry go 'round and we pump the inertial mass by pushing the B field and E field in the collector. It collects inertial mass.
Now remember the opposite end of the collector is not electrically in the loop but physically. The inertial mass will continue around the loop as a seperate entity. Ya don't need much to do this. Remember the SM15 cutaway and why it is so inconsequencial to cut up coils. There is nothing there but a multi-loop inertial racetrack. Multiple turns of lampwire equals many ways to get there. ;)
So now we have alot of electron mass spinning around. We have a vortex. 'Nuff sed. Vortexes are ok to generate. Pumping cones are not. That is why the GK4 / Otto / 390721 spit power out of the sides and tops in an explosion pattern. No vortex. Thumping. It is an EMP generator and highly dangerous. There is no resistance to the energy coming out. Great way to get burned! :D Definately great potential for product applications.
How is power taken? Place another loop along side and pick up the magnetic fluxuations. The SM15 and 17 have a height dimension to keep the accompaning loops at the area of the mid field amplitude point away from the generating loop. Great control. Need I say volume controls? I say he has dual heterodying going on. There are 3 layers. The volume controls adjust the amplitude of the top and bottom loops. The center layer ends up in the middle of a heterodyned inertial mass vortex. ;D Where the heterodyned collapse occurs, the Earths gravity snaps back against the wire with a vengance. COP > 1.
--giantkiller.
@ gk
What physical shape or platonic solid shape may be able to tap the vortex , funny thought here but those conical coils jnl labs wound on top and bottom of the center collector and the two outer collectors ont top of the widest part of the cones.. think bowtie just a thought tho
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...... and when you said + 5v only on one side of the wire does that mean the neg lead is just flapping out in the open? And secondly do you think its possible to test this with just a battery, not that i don't believe you i just don't have a function gen or scope. Thanks for taking the time to answer , some folks are cranky latley..
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on December 29, 2007, 08:58:18 PM
@ gk
What physical shape or platonic solid shape may be able to tap the vortex , funny thought here but those conical coils jnl labs wound on top and bottom of the center collector and the two outer collectors ont top of the widest part of the cones.. think bowtie just a thought tho
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...... and when you said + 5v only on one side of the wire does that mean the neg lead is just flapping out in the open? And secondly do you think its possible to test this with just a battery, not that i don't believe you i just don't have a function gen or scope. Thanks for taking the time to answer , some folks are cranky latley..
Joe
The vortex shape doesn't matter. The midde loop is where it should be in reference to the field size of the top and bottom loops. 2 transmitting antennas.
The loops are tied high and pulsed low.
Ya see those blue sparks off the battery?
More power than White Sands Missile Range (WSMR), formerly known as the White Sands Proving Grounds, is a rocket range in New Mexico operated by the United States Army.
The Transmission of Radiant Energy
In 1891 and 1892, Tesla had used an oscillatory transformer that bears his name in demonstration lectures delivered before meetings of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (AIEE) in New York City"[6] and the Institute of Electrical Engineers (IEE) in London.[7] Two striking results that Tesla demonstrated that the wireless transmission of electrical energy was possible. A later presentation, titled "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena" (Philadelphia/St. Louis; Franklin Institute in 1893),[8] was a key event in the invention of radio and could be said to have begun the development of Wardenclyffe.
--giantkiller.
@Gk
Like i said just a thought... Ive read in depth of teslas hf lighting i think he demonstrated it at a world fair or something along those lines... anyways , I dont see those sparks unless i put the other wire of the battery on the open lead of the coil ? Am i missing something or are you saying i can use just the + lead off of a battery pack and pulse it by hand or by small makeshift rotary spark gap with brushes?
Quote from: Localjoe on December 29, 2007, 09:40:20 PM
@Gk
Like i said just a thought... Ive read in depth of teslas hf lighting i think he demonstrated it at a world fair or something along those lines... anyways , I dont see those sparks unless i put the other wire of the battery on the open lead of the coil ? Am i missing something or are you saying i can use just the + lead off of a battery pack and pulse it by hand or by small makeshift rotary spark gap with brushes?
pulse it by hand or by small makeshift rotary spark gap with brushes? You have to have oscillations.
--giantkiller.
@Gk
I know that but it doesn't work unless i put the neg side of the battery to the other end of the coil. I was asking if this was possible with only the plus lead off of a battery and its - hooked to nothing as per your previous post where you stated to hook up the +5v lead and leave the other end of the coil open. Sorry for the 3rd post i just wanted to understand correctly. Thanks again
Joe
That's ok. The shock wave still appears. That is what I was trying to get across.
But just set it up as a closed loop to get it going.
Most of the small clues that SM gave are just that. Small. And there really was no place to apply them as in a dissertation or a lecture or technical demonstration.
--giantkiller.
I'll test that out as soon as im home this coming week. .... I mean .. just one wire.. who knew
Some things are just too much of a coincidence... to be a coincidence... they are destined!
HHMMMMMM...
GK3 Thumper... Pyramid's Kings Chamber... The Human Spine... Cadeceus (Coil)... Chakras... (Kundalini!)
Join the dots... AAH!
Perhaps the GK3 Thumper should be renamed the finger of god... well beyond moving 'electrons' in copper...
A, Surf this Wave 8) (For pyramid doubters, the missing link... now in place!)
(PDF also for the wall!)
An updated ether energy diagram... which links to the above columnar wave info (PDF also)
A
that aint no fingre of god
lol
it is pile of ss crap the first emp will konck the shit right out of that gun
doubt me
lol
ist
i would try and not use ss for that reason alone
@gk
The current in the center winding is what is doing the trick then. It's undulating current gives rise to induced voltages in the output windings?
There must be a resultant undulation in the magnetic field enveloping the device. Could the device OU be driven by energy waveforms reacting with the magnetic field and reinforcing the center winding undulating energy flow?
Quote from: innovation_station on December 30, 2007, 10:18:42 AM
that aint no fingre of god
lol
it is pile of ss crap the first emp will konck the shit right out of that gun
doubt me
lol
ist
i would try and not use ss for that reason alone
Imagine to air time from the video when the end of the tube blows off. How? I have three stages that build up in power and the physical stages do not increase in mass.
@IS is correct.
But, @Acerzw, I already have a GK3 made with heavier gauge wire that is an exact replica of the GK4. I can attach this, GK3, to the end to increase the mass for power out. Kinda like a mini Wardenclyfe, only handheld. 8) Eventually I will have a last stage of solid metal. I am woking on gold and copper. It is possible to build a Wardenclyffe that fits in your hand. It is called a stun gun. Just put spherical conductors on the ends of the probes. @Acerzw, Great pictorial snag, dude... The device looks great pointing up!
The GK3 is not the final name for this build. I will name it later, although the BFG2000 is the model I worked off of. GK-Ultima or something slick.
And if this build doesn't produce the desired effects? It then is still valid. Because this stage of the build is like Tesla or any other prototyping. The builds just get bigger and bigger.
I can mod this thing to Kingdom come, coil wise, software wise of power and frequency. Anything to produce the shockwaves or the control.
Anybody that has continuously built or picked out prototypes to build that fit now has a veritable army of wire, coils, tests, effects on their shelves.
We have always been given the marching orders to 'Just build it'. Now I have inventory and knowledge.
As always, I stand on the shoulders of great men.
The dates of the posts always state who said what first.
--giantkiller. To the victor goes the spoils.
Quote from: sparks on December 30, 2007, 10:30:14 AM
@gk
The current in the center winding is what is doing the trick then. It's undulating current gives rise to induced voltages in the output windings?
There must be a resultant undulation in the magnetic field enveloping the device. Could the device OU be driven by energy waveforms reacting with the magnetic field and reinforcing the center winding undulating energy flow?
Picture a sine wave rotating on top (dc bias) of the loop. Like a merry-go-round. We heterodyne a pump pulse at the highest point of the wave at the moment for the greatest build. We tap the swing instead of pushing it. The inertial force will be there and that is what we use. JDO300 and I talked about this. If you spin in place and stop abruptly you are dizzy. Why? Inertia. You body mass is still spinning. The cochlea fuid has centrifugal potential. Same as it always was.
Now the sine wave will produce a AM looking magfield. That sits around the layer. The field encompasses the layer. If you have the top layer going one way and the bottom layer going the other way the heterodyning on the center layer will be massive. Hence the volume controls / amplitude or field size. Also we have seen SM put clues out there in his pix or vids. Yes, they do exist. Remember the RCA jack Russell statue 180 degrees out of phase with the advertisements? Now why would he put the volume controls on both sides of the SM17? SM was also an RCA engineer. Also the two controls could be frequencies and the height of the device is matched with the gain of the top and bottom layers. Not a big switch. Could be done either way. By not allowing the amplitude to be changed manually would keep the device safe in other hands. But as an engineer I can say this, that he would have played with both models.
The end goal? How to get it in front of witnesses and keep it secret.
And I stated this as the other test:
The hetereodyning is controlled to keep the unit off synch. 100% on sync is where my house rocked with the Bose Acoustic Radiator. Now imagine me having this concert sized device in my house 2 years before this test. Somethings I will never fully understand. The synching is controlled by ampitude not frequency. Yes, I know SM said 2 frequencies! 1 frequency. One path is clockwise and one path is counterwise. The onlookers would not even have a clue as to how to differentiate that comment into their understanding.
The Bose test was the most compelling thing I have ever done to date. @IS made it spin in both directions and I with the bucket-o-vibes test. 'nuff sed.
This has been the best adventure ever on this planet.
--giantkiller. Same rules, different place.
Quote from: Localjoe on December 29, 2007, 02:05:02 PM
@ IS get your rusty induction motor outa here .....
from rusty old junk abounds loooong sought answers and pure hi quality joe..........
our old junk becomes our new treasures ...........
lol
ist
Not the place man.. i said that because you made another one of your bigshot comments and im sick of shit like that ... thinking your someone special .. we work for what we have and you want to make money at all costs.. I know this for fact. And when outa no where you tell members like armageddon there to hold back some info that he wants to share freely it reflects poorly of your character especially for your age. I just hate it when others tell others to hide shit.. you told me to and its real slimy. in turn i said this to acer once about something i found... You will find thats not the way to go no matter who your pen pals with at night..
Joe
@ LocalJoe - you have a keen insight - very keen.
here is a tuned coil i made a wile ago
collector and control mass to mass tuned
2 diffrent ga of wire #14 ga and #22ga
money eh lol is all i want ha some have never been so wrong ;)
how about truth and peace
i will settle with the truth
there is a fight comming the things i will invent will be used in that mannor to show the truth in the time of need
ist
signs signs every where a sign do this dont do that cant you read the sign .......
so you put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in if god was here ....... he'd tell ya to your face man your some kind of sinner ........
O
signs signs every where a sign do this dont do that cant you read the sign .......
so... what are the fences they are putting up round my country ?? they are putting fences round all water ways from coast to coast why ?!?! cant you read the signs.......
;)
i can
oh yea the sign says you gotta to have a membership chip to get inside .........hummmmmm
@Is
No disrespect, but Localjoe is right.
I respect you for your work on audio henge etc... but you need to be more forthcoming with what you have, if indeed you do have anything at all! You are fast to condem others but have not shown what you have that gives you the right to do that. Erfinder claims the same but he has backed it up with references, tutorial information and one to one's, yet you do not, why?
Instead why not tell the people you criticise how to do it right, if you have the knowledge as you imply you do... then you are truly open source and helping all in the community spirit... otherwise you are not adding anything to the effort... just needlessly discouraging others without giving them a good reason... and failing to show you know what you say you do... a negative influence all round...
I don't think I am being unfair, I browse many other threads and am always coming across your posts telling people they are wrong, without any explanation.
You have made statements to many, myself included, that you have had investors interested in machines you have made, yet you have never disclosed the details fully on this forum... so how is it that you can say you are not in it for the money... if you weren't you would post all the details of these machines for everyone to benefit from... your actions do not fit what you claim...
You have said before you do not post the details of some of your inventions because you do not fully understand how they work, that does not stop others posting their machines, people on the forum help them to understand how they work. If you don't understand how can you critise others, as you often do, for not understanding what you do... your actions again do not fit what you claim...
As for your paranoid conpiracy theories about 2012 etc... there are other forums on the net where it would be more appropriate to post them... this forum is about free energy, not global disaster's or conspiracies... I am interested in those ideas, but I do not rant about them on here...
Please don't answer this post with a rant, as I shall just ignore it, as I suspect many others do with your posts when you don't back up what you claim you know...
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so you people say you want the finger of god
lol
yet have no idea what is is how it works or how to use it and you want me to teach the good with the bad public
ha i think not
ist
go and learn is all i say i point the way to the truth which is right there in front of you but who cares right
yea ......
learning is what i did there is no reason all of you cant learn too .......
ist
@Is
You have proven my point once again... you claim superior knowledge but do not back it up... utterly pointless and unhelpful... not worth posting if that is all you have to contribute... at least give people a clue, otherwise you just discourage... if you have learnt, why not pass on some knowledge? that makes you open source and a helpful member of this community which is about learning... if you don't point the way how can people follow? Why bother to tell they them are wrong if you are not preparted to help... utterly pointless... and negative...
Erifinder has pointed out to people they are wrong and provided helpful references... It is my claim that you do not because you DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE YOU CLAIM TO HAVE... please prove me wrong and I will happily apologise on this forum and withdraw this claim...
I am not being unfair just asking you to back up the claims you have made and show that your many criticisms of others work on this forum are justified and based on your superior knowledge (which you presumably have learnt from the machines you have built but will not post details of)...
If you don't wish to help others why be a member of a community which has that as its goal? You add nothing...
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i have prov en to my self in the deepest of thought Bond any doubt this can not be prov en wrong ;)
you do the same
i have grade 9 educ what do you have ?!?!?!?!?!
i can prove Bond any doubt to who i choose not who you all choose
Tesla i have said it many times Russell as erfinder and Armageddon have said many times
after that dig deep for sacrate knowledge crack the code and get on the same damm page
wake up all wake up all wake up all
histeam!! what did you think it is ?!?!?!?!?!
Quote from: innovation_station on December 31, 2007, 08:20:50 AM
Tesla i have said it many times Russell as erfinder and Armageddon have said many times
@Is
As you show above you have only what others have taught you and have only proven what you have been taught...
@erfinder, in contrast to Is's posts, always helpful, since you taught Is most of what he knows it is not surprising..
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i will say it this way none of you that doubt me have what i do
it is the ones that dont doubt that know what i have learned
ist
heres a shock ya 4 ya lol!
@Is
I am shocked that you think that diagram of the Earth energy grid that was discovered ages ago and is common knowledge is anything new that we should be shocked about...
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nevermind what the Bleep do i know lol!!
ok here is another pic as well have a real good look at my avitar hummmm
ist
life what is it all about?!? .....................the ~~truth~~ of course
the question is how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?!?!?! ...........
@erfinder,
Great explanation and quotes. As always, way beyond the norm and right on target. Thanks.
@As for all else....
I hope no one has run off screaming...
--giantkiller. Stop the fray.
@erfinder
I was complementing you on the usefulness of your posts, and saying that Is learnt most of what he knows from you... a second complement, apologies if my meaning was not clear...
@GK I made my point... that truth of which is clear to all concerned... except perhaps Is...
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OK,
lets try this approach:
Recess is over, lets go back to the classroom:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3829.msg66927.html#msg66927 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3829.msg66927.html#msg66927)
or
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods)
If this cannot be understood and followed then they are not here for the advancement of mankind.
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs throught the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
Absolutely phenominal.
I thank Tak for this.
--giantkiller.
I think this is my first post in this thread cause I always wanted to avoid any distractions to GK's work. But I had to thank Erfinder for his post and ask, where did that text come from? Is there more? Just yesterday, I started writing a post with Erfinders first sentence but decided I better not. But, theories are a dime a dozen. I must have a dollars worth on my own.
Can anyone really explain to me (low tech) what self-inductance is? Does it mean inducting on its own or does it mean the level of inductance. I mean when the word "self" is used, it's as if you are doing it on your own, without any other help or energy. What type of inductor would have good self-inductance? Is it like an unconnected capacitor that can go up in voltage on its own. Maybe I should ask this in the Faux Pas thread.
I think Erfinders post should be taken to a new thread and analyzed sentence by sentence. Tesla is still the man.
Oops, I see One is on the forum, Wonder what he's thinking about "(holes where crap oozes out!) Grin "
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 11:08:11 AM
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs through the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
So, Transverse Waves and Wave Propagation traveling along a Transmission Line is the same as the helical twist of DNA ?
What's your understanding of Tesla, and Longitudinal Waves?
- Schpankme
Quote from: Schpankme on December 31, 2007, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 11:08:11 AM
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs through the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
So, Transverse Waves and Wave Propagation traveling along a Transmission Line is the same as the helical twist of DNA ?
What's your understanding of Tesla, and Longitudinal Waves?
- Schpankme
The universe seems to be a mass accumulation of stun guns,
Sun spots are holes,
Pulsars don't spin,
Cosmology is now electric cosmology,
The universe is filled with plasma,
But,
It not about what I know...
Go watch the video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods)
And I add this: A pulsar generator. There are stages outward towards the pulsar ouput.
--giantkiller.
edit.. long night
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 12:37:57 PM
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs through the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
Giantkiller,
Please answer the question - and do not PARROT another movie you just saw.
Questions
So, Transverse Waves and Wave Propagation traveling along a Transmission Line is the same as the helical twist of DNA ?
What's your understanding of Tesla, and Longitudinal Waves?
- Schpankme
What Erfinder posted about Tesla, is a discourse about his Magnifying Transmiter, which we know as the TESLA COIL.
Due to the high inductance of the coil, the frequency of resonance is a lot lower then the free space resonant frequency for it's length, so it is a very poor radiator, just like Tesla said, (only a small portion radiates away)
So if you don't have loses from it, the current and voltage build higher and higher as I'm sure we have all seen demonstrated.
The modern understanding of the Tesla coil is that it's an retarded velocity resonant system that sets up standing waves. (you take the speed of light and realize that it goes round and round the tube or coil, and moves up or down very slowly due to the huge number of turns, so in essence the standing wave can occur at a lower frequency, which does not radiate well due to the mismatch with the free space wavelength at that same frequency)
EM
Quote from: Schpankme on December 31, 2007, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 12:37:57 PM
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs through the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
Giantkiller,
Please answer the question - and do not PARROT another movie you just saw.
Questions
So, Transverse Waves and Wave Propagation traveling along a Transmission Line is the same as the helical twist of DNA ?
What's your understanding of Tesla, and Longitudinal Waves?
- Schpankme
The wave is seen as the motion of the compressed region.
In the wireless transmission the planet is the source of energy and not the air. The vertical post at 2 places on the planet become 2 terminals of a capacitve power source. The planet has become a storage unit that we can get between its terminals and place 2 more terminals at smaller locations to extract of lower subsets of the stored power in the heavenly body. We can send tuned compresion waves through solid matter and receive it elsewhere. That is why the wireless patent shows 2 tuning forks in one of its drawings.
In all of the visible high energy pictures dealing with Tesla we see high energy being ejected into the air but not received.
Tesla held alot of information to himself. He saw that we as a people were united in ignorance.
--giantkiller. Nothing new here.
In the next 2 pix:
Yellow is ground
Blue wave is polarity A
Red wave is polarity B
Green is sine wave
First picture shows the AC sine wave. The magnetic field traverses in both directions.
Second picture shows the DC sine wave. The magnetic wave goes in one direction and the magnetic field rotates on its axis in one direction. Vector potential A aquired. Inertia through drag.
So here we have canon balls. Now pulse the wave from the aspect we are looking at when the magnetic field is at it maximum height. This would be bad.
The wave will add. And each successive rotation we will pulse it again and it will add and add and add. Real bad!
So we pulse it at a phase difference to achieve the desired power we want and below the stress level of the materials we have used to wind the coil with. I.E. variable speed drill. SM showed that to, didn't he? The amount of hidden clues are enormous!
How many feet of Romex/12awg at 60 hertz with a 60w lightbulb placed across the ends would it take to make a TPU. Use any harmonic size loops you want. The harmonic phase difference is controlled by the circumference,diameter.
Of course you will have to raise the AC signal up to a DC level of 0 or greater. Think Class 'B'.
Use sine waves to achieve a smooth gradient of the power curve to adjust phase incrementally. Square waves are either on or off. No adjustable power control. Ouch...
Besides, square waves eject the energy perpendicular to the conductor because the rising and trailing edges of the pulses are faster in some aspects than the copper can conduct. Think EM transmissions. This equates to lost power.
--giantkiller.
A great year this is going to be for sure...
Great that 'Thunderbolts of the Gods' video, shows that people are waking up, even scientists!
Ironic though that they are revising a flawed Cosmology based on the Electric Model which is largely based on conventional flawed EM theory... just makes you wonder what they will discover when EM theory is finally sorted out and properly integrated into the Electric Model...
It is great that it supports the idea that the Universe is a web of energy both seen and unseen, as many Ancient Cultures said and new age theory now says. Now Tesla and Russell's theories can move out into the Universe where they always belonged...
And how cool about the sun... probably has a relatively cold center if it is only 6,000K on the outside...
You can kick me to death for saying this but, the hollow earth theory doesn't sound so bizarre now either... eek (what with the nasa video showing the corona coming out of a hole at the pole...) I can imagine several scenarios of an electrical nature where a solid shell can accumulate from debrise around a plasma shell caused by a small central sun, but where there are holes left at the poles because of the field flux ho hum... ;D
For sure the ether is back to stay, I can't see the Electrical Model working without it... all that energy in the vacuum flux has to come from somewhere... negative entropy needs environmental energy to work... and it has to be ubiquitous and constant... that yells ether...
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For such a time as this...
I received my Russell course today. So if any of you have a hard time understanding where I am coming from then this is your final demarcation point. 8)
--giantkiller.
Snap! My copy of 'The Universal One' arrived today... Hoorah At the wrong address! Boo... still, I will pick it up in the next few days... then we can start a dialog in a Russellish Teslian or is that a Teslish Russellian dialect... mega-yeaps ahead... then perhaps we can begin to understand Erfinder and Arma who we (well me at least) have failed to completely understand thus far as they speak an advanced form... Woo Hooo.... hold on for the ride! :o
Guess others will just have to resort to a babel fish or perhaps someone can invent a universal translator...
A > /\
/---\ We truly are growing up...
/ \
One of the major clues is Tesla's spark gaps end in spheres. No Poynting vectors. Pure longitudinal wave emmission. We talk to the stars.
The potential exists between the sky and the ground, the poles on each heavenly body, the heavenly body and its star, the stars and and it universe, the universes and its dimension.
Same rule, different place. God, I love that saying.
--giantkiller. And so it starts.
Don't forget a human is just a standing columnar wave (up the spine, modulated by the bone plates and cartlidge) with a big old sphere full of diaelectric fluid on the end... and the fluid makeup of the body is a capacitor... so one end of a broadcast system... all the requirements of a tuned antenna/transmitter... very much a biological Wydenclyffe... so telepathy is an option...
A
I watched the Thunderbolt of the Gods movie and it was pretty interesting.
The main thesis seemed to be
1)Ã, Electromagnetics play a more prominet role in cosmology then simple gravity
2)Ã, Mythical drawings all over the world are deriving from plasma effects in space (in times past)
If they would have made the movie with only #1 in mind it would have been excellent.
But #2Ã, is bull shit.Ã, Ã, Most of what ancient cultures have drawn got it's inspiration from earth and the supernatural manifestations and not from watching some plasma in the sky, give me a break.Ã,Â
EM
@EM
I agree to a point but think that given the advanced technology that was around in pre-history it is more likely that the plasma affects they witnessed were from the few last legacy devices of ancient civilisations, which they did not understand... the ark of the covenant for example, which the bible documents as producing arcing plasma type effects... but were used by the advanced few who spread civilisation to the egyptians, mayans etc... though the part about Venus does seem plausible given the proliference of references which is widespread and quite out of proportion to its current state...
A
I'm all for advanced civilizations in the past ;D
Quote from: EMdevices on December 31, 2007, 05:49:25 PM
I watched the Thunderbolt of the Gods movie and it was pretty interesting.
The main thesis seemed to be
1) Electromagnetics play a more prominet role in cosmology the simple gravity
2) Mythical drawings all over the world are deriving from plasma effects in space (in times past)
If they would have made the movie with only #1 in mind it would have been excellent.
But #2 is bull shit. Most of what ancient cultures have drawn got it's inspiration from earth and the supernatural manifestations and not from watching some plasma in the sky, give me a break.
EM
Those that can figure things out or know great things are then surpassed by the idiots stuck in their own idiocy. The idiots truly make shit up and bow in their own ignorance. We here have all seen it and follow not the mainstream stupidity but chart our own courses. Why do you think pioneers go away to distant lands?
--giantkiller. We are on the
'ball of confusion' because the idiots run the farm.
Check this out: Did you know that 4 billion common sense people are ruined by only a thousand idiots/war mongers.
When idicocy fails, war promulgates. Now there is a clue!
Oh no, there are sparks in the sky! Let's not understand it. Let's bow down and pray to it. Maybe our low profile will signify that we are grounded in faith and will will not be struck down by the gods! No. Standing up makes you a lightning rod, dipshit!
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 05:58:55 PM
No. Standing up makes you a lightning rod, dipshit!
Amen, to that... gotta say this but this thread rocks... no better place on new years eve!
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GK, what are you saying?Ã, Are you calling me a dipshit?Ã, I thought you were my friendÃ, LOLÃ, :DÃ,Â
I happen to agree with what you are saying but I'm not so sure what you are realy saying , as usualÃ, LOL :D
I'm so glad we live in the scientific age where we try to understand things rather than be frightened by sights and sounds of nature that we don't understand,... but the movie showed all those images and prehistorical drawings , cirlces, dragons, etc and tried to say they're all space phenomena.Ã, Oh realy.Ã, How about FIRE, and FLAMES, a dragon looks more like that to me than anythign.Ã, You want strings,Ã, how about Lightning in the sky.Ã, As people we are realy more focused on things around us here on earth than up there, expecialy during the day (since most of us sleep at night)Ã, The sun and comets are about the most drawn celestial objects, but other than that, I'm not so sure. the guy seemd to say that there were Plasma manifestations that we realy don't have now, kind of a stretch of imagination.
EM
You frekking lunatics ,Ã, what progress have you made in 2007? Ã, Ã, LOLÃ, Ã, :DÃ, :DÃ, :D
Happy New Year, go drink up boys !!!
EM
P.S.Ã, acerzw, I don't put so much faith in the cosmology period.Ã, We are so far away from things and infer alot from so little.Ã, If we actualy go there we'll for sure realize it's a different story, for all we know we could be in a giant surround 3D theatre complete with object injection for effects.Ã, LOLÃ, :DÃ, :D
@EM
I think GK meant, don't cower in fear, stand up, take the hit, observe the phenomenon and be counted! (but you might get a little carbonised, but no knowledge is gained without a price)...
Well thats my translation of GKish before he starts speaking Teslish Russellian...
A
so now we get some where
lol
what is a lightning strike? the fingre of god?!?!?!
why does lightning happin can you command lightning or control it?
hummmmm
ist
Quote from: EMdevices on December 31, 2007, 06:23:12 PM
GK, what are you saying? Are you calling me a dipshit? I thought you were my friend LOL :D
I happen to agree with what you are saying but I'm not so sure what you are realy saying , as usual LOL :D
I'm so glad we live in the scientific age where we try to understand things rather than be frightened by sights and sounds of nature that we don't understand,... but the movie showed all those images and prehistorical drawings , cirlces, dragons, etc and tried to say they're all space phenomena. Oh realy. How about FIRE, and FLAMES, a dragon looks more like that to me than anythign. You want strings, how about Lightning in the sky. As people we are realy more focused on things around us here on earth than up there, expecialy during the day (since most of us sleep at night) The sun and comets are about the most drawn celestial objects, but other than that, I'm not so sure. the guy seemd to say that there were Plasma manifestations that we realy don't have now, kind of a stretch of imagination.
EM
No, Sir! Not the famed EMdevices. Never.
I was pertaining to the true and wundermous idiots. By no means you or us!
--giantkiller. Now go get drunk and then we will calll each other idiots.
Hey I can be an idyot moose without any alcoholic beverages... I was born high...
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when we wake back up we'll be back at it with renewed strength and a fewer brain cellsÃ, Ã, LOLÃ, :)
I've been an idiod all my life.....I don't know how I know that ..... see I told youÃ, LOL :D
That can only help... the fewer brain cells the clearer humans think... more like children... and I agree about cosmology EM... you do know the moon really is made of cheese don't you... geez... Tom Bearden is rumored to be bringing a video out about it... all about cosmic cheese strings... 8)
Hey.... how do I become a tpu elite or hero member.. can I get extra stars for idyotic-cheese-ness!
I'm thinking Edam is the way to go... nice firm texture... hi-dielectric constant... finely balanced centre of gravity... imagine a coil made of that... if it gets too near Q and melts, you just put it on toast and eat it! Yum...
ok maybe that was still light years ahead of some lol
gk there were words you said you will eat they are regarding suqare pluses
lol
care to talk square waves and only 1 lol??
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on December 31, 2007, 06:50:29 PM
gk there were words you said you will eat they are regarding suqare pluses
I prefer the Edam coil... tastes better...
What about Earth look at this. (and only 10 min.) lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAICoQI&feature=related
We still have 5 hours to go till 2008. But will the beer last?
@wattsup...
I am in 2008 now... by one minute...
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and yes....
i perfer the truth not a pile of garbage and a waste of time ;D
ist
dont think im done cuz i have only begun
i will say this ....
the rabbit hole goes way beond what we can even visualize right now
and if you think it ends with teleportation you are wrong there is far more to this puzzel
ever see the movie the prestige? lol
almost enough 4 1 year eh?
@wattsup
I love the whole expanding earth thing... hmmm... but just not sure how the cheese theory of the Earth's core can account for that... after all cheese doesn't expand with age... I postulate a new form of cheese, previously unknown to science... lets call it errrrrmmm.... dark cheese... see I proved it... god that saved like actually having to do any work or anything... maybe I will get it published in a peer reviewed cheese theory magazine where all my deluded (and copiously bearded) friends can pat me on the back and write articles that support the theory of dark cheese... crikey what fun... then I can go on lecture tours and tell the uneducated masses of the reality of dark cheese.... Wow and think of the grant money I can get for sitting on my arse and thinking about cheese hypothetically...
<SMACK>
Ooops... sorry I nearly got possessed by a scientist... damn... wheres that garlic...
A
P.S. IS you do realise your avatar related to Metatrons cube in sacred geometry was originally modeled by Leonardo da Davinci in a form of light cottage cheese... (he suppressed his knowledge of dark cheese)
8)
the funny thing when you realize what is presented in front of your eyes
you will see dark and light cheese cuz the funny thing is it goes both ways
why?
cuz you as as person have the right to choose your own path
get it
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on December 31, 2007, 07:20:50 PM
the funny thing when you realize what is presented in front of your eyes
you will see dark and light cheese cuz the funny thing is it goes both ways
Yes I have confirmed that experimentally, in part. Once I left an edam coil out for too long, it had been too near Q and I forgot to cool it in the fridge... then after a few days I found it where it had fallen down the back of the bread basket and it had changed hue... to a dark green... I salute you sir... however I cannot confirm that 'it goes both ways'... the only way I could get it to return to its original colour was to scrape it with a knife... but I can postulate that perhaps dark cheese sometimes turns into light cheese... maybe it is down to the absence of an observer... or the consistency of the milk used when it was churned...
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now that indeed was quite funny
i have built a great deal of things in the time i have been quiet ;)
perhaps the new year will unfold what i have learned upon you all
if not by me im sure i am not alone 8)
but then agin who is alone ??
lol
ist
oh no the MIBs have succesfully suppresed me, dohhhh LOL :)
Happy New Year everybody.
EMDevices: Hope you don't get to hung-over cause it looks like you may have some splain'in to do. :)
Take care.
nap
@ em
do you think your ring will fall victim the the dreaded emp as well??
ist
i know 1 perhaps 2 ways maybe even 3 ways that will not fall victim
how can this be ......
no SS
I will not let the emps get me,I'll get them before they get me LOL :)
SS is SS, but more so SS is not SS,
translation
Solid State is Solid State, but super strings no solid state bahhhahahah LOL :)
I'll see you guys on monday. or is today Monday, oh well next year
EM
@EM
I prescribe some dark cheese, its great for hangovers... the voices tell me... moooo moooo...
A
Quote from: acerzw on December 31, 2007, 04:30:56 PM
...Now Tesla and Russell's theories can move out into the Universe where they always belonged...
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 04:35:52 PM
...I received my Russell course today. So if any of you have a hard time understanding where I am coming from then this is your final demarcation point. 8)
Do you mean Alexander Russell?
http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseontheory01russrich (http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseontheory01russrich)
http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseontheory02russrich (http://www.archive.org/details/treatiseontheory02russrich)
Rosphere --
Happy New Year! :D
EDIT: No, not Alexander, but
Walter Russell. Thank you, GK. :)
EM,
Please show us what you did there!
Please?
Eldarion
Oh, and a happy New Year to all! ;D
Quote from: Schpankme on December 31, 2007, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 11:08:11 AM
The helical twist in the DNA is the same as the plasma arcs through the void of space like the 2 wire transmission line model.
So, Transverse Waves and Wave Propagation traveling along a Transmission Line is the same as the helical twist of DNA ?
What's your understanding of Tesla, and Longitudinal Waves?
- Schpankme
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aldebaran.cz%2Fastrofyzika%2Fplazma%2Fpinch%2Fcygnus_loop_hst.jpg&hash=606e99c77468b45530e4035d629e5a9cf22bae9c)
Check out this link. (http://www.plasmacosmology.net/tech.html) Lots of tech info & history here about
Plasma Cosmology.
Good morning boys and girls, and Happy New Year, by my calendar it should be 1/1/2008 LOL :)
Forget what you've seen last night, just a bit of magic for your eyes, but nothing compares to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgYUOUfPm8c
Coming in 2008 they say, WOW, I'm buying one as soon as I can. (also started a thread here at ou.com in the Antigravity section)
EM
@ em
i still think the ring you have will fall victem to an external emp pluse
is this correct
and if it is correct this will explain 1 big thing
solid state is and always was a waste of time it may work to a degree
but will it work in its time of need
if it wont what good was it?
ist
the things i will make will work peoriod no matter its surroundings ;)
btw they are not my inventions but TESLAS
Quote from: EMdevices on January 01, 2008, 10:28:48 AM
Good morning boys and girls, and Happy New Year, by my calendar it should be 1/1/2008 LOL :)
Forget what you've seen last night, just a bit of magic for your eyes, but nothing compares to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgYUOUfPm8c
Coming in 2008 they say, WOW, I'm buying one as soon as I can. (also started a thread here at ou.com in the Antigravity section)
EM
Now just imagine a 20' round tpu on board a big old disk shaped craft. The tpu ring is wailing away and creating it's own gravitational field. (I know not many people feel the gravitational part of my operational theory holds water: yet ;D) By controlling the kick windings firing sequence the gravitational field is now able to be propogated on the desired point of the tpu ring. The electrical output of the tpu ring is causing a stream of ionized gas to flow down the skin of the craft and giving it lift.
The gravitational or better said attractor field of the tpu is created in the desired direction of travel. It defies Earth's gravity and the craft starts moving towards whatever energy field the attractor is aimed at. All this happens without dilithium
crystals and Scottie is pretty much out of a job. ::)
Yes IS, I agree with you on the suceptability to EMP, etc..
There are configuration that are not suceptable to external radiated fields, and by reciprocity, they don't radiate efficiently either.
The Tesla Coil is a prime example, like I said elsewhere, it's a retarded velocty standing wave resonator and the frequency at which it resonates has a much larger free space wavelegth then it's height, so it doesn't loose energy by radiation, just like Tesla understood and said.
The TPU coil that's wound vertically around the main ring, is you equivalent Tesla coil. The velocity is retarded because it goes a longer distance then the circumference of the toroid, so it doesn't radiate.
This is a key principle in suppressing radiation in free space, MISMATCH of WAVELENGTHS.
EM
sparks, wouldn't it be nice if the tpu was also a gravitational device? I think SM said somewhere that it LOST WEIGHT. Hmmm, if we figure out the TPU will get two things, FE and AntiGravity, how nice, I kind of suspected that all along.
Happy new years all!
Sorry I have not posted in a while, I am in the middle of a change of address, and have not had internet, these are trying times indeed ;D
I see several of you have purchased some good books! I dont think you will be dissapointed.
In reference to alot of the talk about the centrifugal effects of TPU,
Look into the nature of inertia, and you will find your awnser, Afteral, if energy and mass are funamentally interchangeable.........nuff said.
In reference to keeping info to myself, because "people are not ready" This is not the case! People are ready, however there lacks a common language necessary for interchange of ideas. I can see that the fire for knowlege has been ignited, and you will all seek your own awnsers.
Live not in our self prepetuated tower of babel, we have many languages to explain the one whole of existance, if there is one truth, go find it! There is no point in building if we dont know what we are building. Others have done the work for us, now we need to go and learn, once you have accumulated enough knowlege, you can build, without question, without experimentation, only results!
a treat for the new year....nothing new, simply a replication of tesla. Simple, replicatable by any individual, but useless unless you understand its nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9g2AGs9_JU (no fancy MOSFETS, 555's, 432's or integrated circuitry of any kind, they tend not to like the fields created, you should see my oscilloscope when this is turned on, useless)
Do your homework!
Post Script:
The output is ripple DC if that means anything to anybody ;)
Also, the sparks you see represents what was formerly known as "electrons" entering the device, not exiting. ;) ;)
But a reminder, This represents nothing new....
what more homework lol!!
perhaps it is study time eh!!
ist
nice vid Armageddon 8)
Quote from: armagdn03 on January 01, 2008, 05:18:17 PM
Post Script:
The output is ripple DC if that means anything to anybody ;)
Also, the sparks you see represents what was formerly known as "electrons" entering the device, not exiting. ;) ;)
But a reminder, This represents nothing new....
Can't YouTube - 28K connection - just give me an explanation or picture.
simply a reproduction of the ozone patent. Self actuating spark gap, 20-30,000 volts, high voltage low potential, due to the inductance of the secondary, but tesla had an awnser for this...........
@armg03
Is sent out that video a few weeks ago ... NIce tho wonder what it powers.
Joe
:)
well joe if you cant figure out what that can power perhaps you wait with the rest :D
may i suggest you put your brain where your mouth is
ist
well if it charges caps hummm will it charge a dc deep cycle battery?? maybe a whole bank of em ?!?!?!?!?
hummmmm
why dont you come down the rabbit hole and find out for your self??
.... have fun with those batteries ... when the boiling acid is all over your desk....
Picture a guy with MOT Making large sparks ... And then outa nowhere when hes saying look how cool theses green sparks are... and im saying you never burned copper as a kid... acid goes everywhere severely mauling Is's face.... How did this happen.. sending uncontrolled spikes into a battery with no rhyme or reason to what your doing.
Quote from: giantkiller on December 31, 2007, 11:08:11 AM
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=Thunderbolts+of+the+Gods)
Finally got to see the above video. One question only:
A few times in the video it is said that magnetism cannot exist without electrical current. How does this translate to the earth's magnetic field? And to permanent magnets?
well in the past im sure there were some that charged batteries this same way ;)
what is the speed of radiant energy ?
if our light is the trail of it how fast is it ?
so what makes you think that the acid would boil?
it Barly boils after usual long period charging methods
tell me i am wrong no i have not charged batteries yet how ever i do have a very nice bank of them
perhaps i will try it public in the near future
;) just to see if it can be done lol!!
ist
@ dansway
who was it in the past that we spoke of that charged deep cycle batteries at high speed ??
i have forgotten who it was you said lol!!
how ever i think i was told that they held the charge twice as long and twice as much voltage
what?!?!?!?! charged in a fraction of the time what!?!?!?!?!
lol!! who was the man that has done this in the past ??
also if open cell batteries pose a hazzard than may i suggest a sealed one?
Well bedini
Has a process that will turn the battery into a negative resistor.. is that what your referring to?
@m@rcel
lightning ring a bell with the earth ?
power in a wire with magnets?
ist
So instead of PARROTING what I have read from my Russellian book, let me throw in this bit of enlightenment.
The quote from the book is:
If it is an invention, meditate upon it until you clearly see it. Do not waste time experimenting. See it completed mentally in its embryonic form before you spend time on it physically; otherwise it will be immature.
Sounds like something N. Tesla said, no? The book did not mention Tesla.
--giantkiller. The parallels are astounding.
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 12:18:12 AM
@armg03
Is sent out that video a few weeks ago ... NIce tho wonder what it powers.
Joe
A few weeks ago? It was not his to send out (I am torguga0303)! No hard feelings though.
It is an ozone generator, its load is air, It would be even better if instead of having two point contacts I had the armatures of a condenser,
How would it be modified if we wanted to power another load? 30,000 volts is rather high, and the amperage is rather low, but tesla gave specific instructions on how to adjust this to whatever value one wanted.
@armagdn03
yea no harm done, IS was just asking for help to understand the parts in it and how it worked. As for the armatures i was thinking that they were described to be large plates with a constant airflow between then correct me if im thinking of another patent. But your little model was a cool self contained circuit. I liked the self timing as well.
Joe
what do you think two plates with air in between represent? why would tesla show them as being adjustable in his very next patent application?
What is the point of having the motor supply air, now he has the motor controller serving dual funtions, other things than fans can be driven.
Yes but still essential that the air flow is constant past the plates... when there at different distances it affects the capacitance of them.
why is this talk here of me and not what was presented at hand
this is Tesla's work my friends which has been public domain for years .....
but we don't see it till some dumb construction worker helps in showing it .........
joe perhaps i was trying to help you so you could help us hummmm .........
and joe for the record you were the only person i gave that video to thank you ......
spoon feeding does not work eh!! point proven right here ;)
you can spin things as many times as you like but the TRUTH remains the same
ist
The tesla document has been superseded by Erfinder's post on this page, but a corrected version based on my limited understanding and arma's comments is attached... if there is conflict between Erfinder's statements and those in the document, you can bet Erfinder's statement is the correct one... also attached the document of Erfinder's original posts of great value...
;)
lol
acerzw i wondered when you were gonna post that Tesla file you made
ist
@Is
About the battery, did you mean this post, look at the second half.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3599.msg65290.html#msg65290
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Yes but still essential that the air flow is constant past the plates... when there at different distances it affects the capacitance of them.
You are correct, you do need movement of air............if you want ozone.
And what is the significance of increasing the capacitance?
Quote from: armagdn03 on January 02, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Yes but still essential that the air flow is constant past the plates... when there at different distances it affects the capacitance of them.
You are correct, you do need movement of air............if you want ozone.
And what is the significance of increasing the capacitance?
Well a couple things i dont know exact direction your going with it so i'll be broad.
Obviously a larger capacitance would create more ozone between the plates. but the purpose for the air moving is the key in that flavor.Edit:- mabey a bubble forms between and around these plates and acts like a trap when the air is moving through and past it. Its the constant motion of electrons past the plate from what I gather.
second thought brings me to .. if actually using a cap there the value of that and changing it would alter the the secondary lc circuit so at this point i say you could branch it two ways..
It could be a spot to tune the secondary lc circuit very finely in the wireless transmitting version
yet in another version of the tesla coil it could be used for hf hv output to later be stepped down..
comments if ive missed something or have been mislead in my research. always possible :)
Joe
Quote from: armagdn03 on January 02, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Yes but still essential that the air flow is constant past the plates... when there at different distances it affects the capacitance of them.
You are correct, you do need movement of air............if you want ozone.
And what is the significance of increasing the capacitance?
Larger storage or greater area of compression in the plasma.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: armagdn03 on January 02, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Localjoe on January 02, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Yes but still essential that the air flow is constant past the plates... when there at different distances it affects the capacitance of them.
You are correct, you do need movement of air............if you want ozone.
And what is the significance of increasing the capacitance?
Well a couple things i dont know exact direction your going with it so i'll be broad.
Obviously a larger capacitance would create more ozone between the plates. but the purpose for the air moving is the key in that flavor.Edit:- mabey a bubble forms between and around these plates and acts like a trap when the air is moving through and past it. Its the constant motion of electrons past the plate from what I gather.
second thought brings me to .. if actually using a cap there the value of that and changing it would alter the the secondary lc circuit so at this point i say you could branch it two ways..
It could be a spot to tune the secondary lc circuit very finely in the wireless transmitting version
yet in another version of the tesla coil it could be used for hf hv output to later be stepped down..
comments if ive missed something or have been mislead in my research. always possible :)
Joe
-Modern Mechanics and Inventions-
The secondary of the coil possesses usually such a high self-induction that the
current through the wire is inappreciable, and may be so even when the terminals are joined by a conductor of small resistance. If
capacity is added to the terminals, self-induction is
counteracted, and a
stronger current is made to flow through the
secondary, though its terminals are insulated from each other. To one entirely unacquainted with the properties of alternating currents nothing will look more puzzling.
Now, why would we add capacitance? I would awnser myself, but others have done better........
We use ozone generators often in our industry for water sterilization or mineral oxidation. There are two main types of ozone generators used today. Corona discharge and Ultra Violet Lamps (working in the 254nm range). You can use air for ozone production but ideally, it must be dried air using a twin desiccant air dryer or the best to use is pure oxygen. Basically the arc discharge breaks up the bond between the two oxygen atoms O2 making two O1s. These O1s then combine with adjacent O2s to make O3 or ozone. You can notice ozone has a watermelon type smell that is very prevalent after a thunderstorm or when you turn on your photocopier.
You need air movement otherwise the chamber will quickly become saturated with ozone and will stop producing. Most units require 15 PSI of pressurized air to push through the unit. Generally, ozone is used in the 1% to 5% concentration level to achieve proper disinfection.
If you make such a device, make sure the room is properly ventilated. I once started up a 1 pound per day ozone generator. The output tube was not properly connected and blew off. The tube flew around and lodged right under my arm with the tube just under my face as I breathed in. My lungs per paralyzed for a good 2 minutes. I had to think hard to move my chest to breath. Powerful stuff so be careful.
THE POINT IS NOT OZONE!
Yes indeed it was just a simple device that Tesla could put on the patent instead of his motor in order to patent the mechanism and record it without making it obvious that it had other intended uses... though the warning regarding the danger of Ozone is necessary as some may build it in its original form.
The method of operation of the POWERING CIRCUIT is the POINT and the only POINT!
@arma
Quote from: armagdn03 on January 02, 2008, 06:11:08 PM
A correction on the "Tesla for dummies"
The primary and secondary are not inductively connected, They are the exact polar opposite of inductively connected........capacitively connected. All you TPU builders.....take note!
It should also be noted that the voltage increase is not a product of the ratio of windings, Tesla stated that more important than ratio is the mass of each respectively. Erfinder has already stated this,
Thanks for the correction I will update the document and repost it.
A
The Tesla Transformer is OU - who would have thought...
EDIT:
Tesla states in the same meeting with his Counsel that he could obtain any ammount of "energy" that he wanted from his transformer.
All the info here is ok. When it all comes down to it the goal is the same. Just where is the output used.
This has been a great accumulation of info. I would appreciate it if it could left in place.
--giantkiller. :)
Hey guys,
I think that a spark gap is a good way to get LC in resonance.
Here are the rules:
isolate grounds.
decouple mag fields
use non-copper coils
use crystal/digital controlled spark coils. Discharge provides final correct timing.
I believe spark discharges sync with natures own clock. Lightning strikes twice(or more) with same path!!!
entangled photons prove there is faster than light and instantainious causulty. Google "entangled photon instantanious communication."
Cheers,
DGM
:)
well the fact of the matter is the TRUTH and there and here it is
the point of all of this is
MAKE IT KNOWEN AND PROVE TO YOURSELVS BEOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT!!!
ISTEAM!!
can you see what i see.......?!?!?! do you see what i see..........!?!?!?!?!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~only you can make it your reality~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Laserrod; are you referring to something like this:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phonecotech.com%2FOverU%2FnTPU4Spark1.jpg&hash=d75160d054a7b5ddf25b66a2af57bf808391690e)
I am still at the playing stage but you can definitely have the spark gaps go into a self timing mode. This is a very crude set up. The rc relaxation oscillator is fed by a half bridge rectifier from the output on an electric fence transformer. The voltage to the primary of the electric fence transformer is currently controlled by a variac. The center electrode fires to any one of the 4 electrodes which are connected to the 4 control coils. About all I have been able to light up so far is a neon bulb. Both leads have to be connected to the collector coil to light up and it lights up very well. No incandescence yet.
I had these transformers laying around because I was contracted to design and build air purifiers going on twenty years ago and I used these transformers to fire up the ozone plates in the purifiers. I was going to use my ozone plates and transformers in a water splitting design till acerzw got me distracted with the tpu. He hit a soft spot in me when he brought up Leedskalnin. But I am obviously leaning with the general consensus that this has more to do with Tesla. You guys are very contagious. :)
I agree with armagdn03 as scope shots are pretty much worthless but do offer some clues as to what is going on once in a while.
Take care all.
nap
@Erfinder
Thank you... we owe you much for pointing (though I think perhaps you might not agree, a modest fellow you are in my perception)
@Ist
That is great!
@GK
A gracious and open-minded host as always... thats why I like this thread so much. My virtual home...
@Slapper
Leedskalnin, it seems was a distraction, but I think the magnetic effect he pointed out is still worthy of study, just not so relevant as Tesla... and Water/Hydrogen Splitting is an equally worthy use of time IMHO... so many ways...
@all
A good year this... and it has only just begun... :)
A
8)
life is .... great and wonderful now start living it ............. and stop liveing the lies..........
the truth has never ever done any one wrong cuz the truth cares
ist
@Ist
Wow... a nice collection... I reckon you otto and ronotto should have a contest for King of the Coils!
Will you explain more about your motor/coils...
@all
I would like to recommend you look at this site, which has references to many subjects that have come up on this thread and has a great free (and massive) ebook, it is much in the spirit of David Wilcock's 'Divine Cosmos' site:
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/
Breaking News: The Rodin Coils thread has also had a bit of a boost since Marko has been distracted by other important matters... since ronotto has Rosphere's lovingly wound Rodin Coil and has opened it up to the forum for suggested experiments... worth a look... and help us out there...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg56536.html#msg56536
A
@Erfinder
That's it......... Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. It was right under our noses all the time.
@IS
Are you building a color TV. lol
Make sure the walls are nailed in well.
I have to say it again.
@Erfinder
That's it......... Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. It was right under our noses all the time.
Question: What happens to an ozone generator that does not want to generate ozone?
Answer: It sends the power back and asks for a refund.
I'm just floored. Thank you again.
Quote from: wattsup on January 03, 2008, 11:47:23 PM
@Erfinder
That's it......... Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. It was right under our noses all the time.
Riddle: What happens to an ozone generator that does not want to generate ozone?
Answer: It sends the power back and asks for a refund.
I'm just floored. Thank you again.
I second that... and thanks to arma also...
Go innovation_station!
Quote from: acerzw on January 03, 2008, 10:44:09 PM
@Slapper
Leedskalnin, it seems was a distraction, but I think the magnetic effect he pointed out is still worthy of study, just not so relevant as Tesla... and Water/Hydrogen Splitting is an equally worthy use of time IMHO... so many ways...
Agree. I was just giving you a hard time. There was no offence intended. I was figuring that the water splitting was more achievable at the time but when you tied Leedskalnin to the TPU I couldn't resist. The outcome of all this may be applied to a more productive mothod of water splitting not to mention OU. By the way your intuition is very interesting. :)
And as far as the good start to the new year; EMdevices started it way back last year. You remember that cute little image he briefly displayed on this thread. Come on EMdevices don't be embarrassed. We're all showing our wares here. Stop playing peek-a-boo. :)
Giantkiller you are being much to kind with this thread. Let me know if you'd rather I move this.
Love to all and take care.
nap
Quote from: slapper on January 04, 2008, 12:19:00 AM
Go innovation_station!
Quote from: acerzw on January 03, 2008, 10:44:09 PM
@Slapper
Leedskalnin, it seems was a distraction, but I think the magnetic effect he pointed out is still worthy of study, just not so relevant as Tesla... and Water/Hydrogen Splitting is an equally worthy use of time IMHO... so many ways...
Agree. I was just giving you a hard time. There was no offence intended. I was figuring that the water splitting was more achievable at the time but when you tied Leedskalnin to the TPU I couldn't resist. The outcome of all this may be applied to a more productive mothod of water splitting not to mention OU. By the way your intuition is very interesting. :)
And as far as the good start to the new year; EMdevices started it way back last year. You remember that cute little image he briefly displayed on this thread. Come on EMdevices don't be embarrassed. We're all showing our wares here. Stop playing peek-a-boo. :)
Giantkiller you are being much to kind with this thread. Let me know if you'd rather I move this.
Love to all and take care.
nap
Splitting this thread would be worthless. And I will tell you why...
Ya see that coil that IS just posted. That is a similar model to the Marco PVC coil back about 6 months ago that JDO300 and I duped. One of my parallel plans includes further testing with that. It has 2 Helmoltz coils . http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magquad.html#c2 (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magquad.html#c2) If you put 2 diff freqs the same direction you get Heterodyning to a sum of never greater than the highest freq and this is a dipole. A vortex is possible. But if you pulse in 2 diff directions the heterodyned output freq is staggering plus you create a quadpole which hits against the center copllector. The segmented controls also give the hi impedance in each coil while the surrounding ones can pick up the concentration and decentration of power.
This can be done with 1 freq in certain combinations.
If you fire the same freq in 2 rings in opposing directions they will meet up at the opposite end. Now when they meet at 2 opposite places on the ring you will get the gyroscoping thumping. This will alow the operator to get the higher heterodyning freqs if needed.
@IS, thanks for the cohesive post. Now there are 4 of these coils. But yours has more copper mass by far.
I get more bench time this weekend.
Update:
PVC coil needs the current test. It is ready to rock and roll.
BFG gets 3 layer coils hookups. Purely mechanincal. It has to fit in a test jig for firing.
The 3 xr2206s or 3 555s are get a TIP41 driver backend to drive the new coils.
Major setup change is I have wave generators but not a DC sinewave output. This is neccesary for all the coils mentioned.
I don't have any lab gennys. I build all of my own.
--giantkiller. Its all adding up and that is why all the diversity here.
the coil i post can be configured so many diffrent ways.......
this that i speak of is in my mind 1 of the simplest ways to achieve our goal
this is how this peculiar unit works
it is a simple motor nothing more if it is a motor it is a generator as well ;)
so that being said
this unit has `10 control coils or electro magnets each of 200 turns this should have only 9 coils and should be hooked up in a 3 phase configuration running with the grain so to speak lol or nature as we do prefer
so the collector in this unit is tuned to 7.5 Hz in a 4" core now there as i see it need not be any more harmonic relation ships for this to work
because the electro magnets are already 7.8Hz
any how in the 3 phase there 3 caps that are charged with the ozone pattend circuit 8)
lol
just too simple
ist
I noticed the pictures from
568,177: apparatus for producing ozone
568,178 Method of regulating apparatus for producing currents of high frequency
a few posts back
I stumbled upon another Tesla patent:
609.250: Electrical igniter for gas-engines"
which has a comparable drawing.
Same principals as the above, but maybe easier to comprehend. In comparing this to "modern" ignition systems, I noticed that
- a high inductance coil is added
- the capacitor is part of a tank circuit instead of (nowadays) preventing a spark accross the breaker points
Further I found out that an ignition coil is much like a flyback converter
Flyback Converter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_converter
Ignition Coil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_coil
I also found this circuit to experiment with flyback transformers: http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/flyback.html
which, at the bottom, contains two images that lead to the Rodin topic on this forum: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg67844.html#msg67844 (coincedence?)
So, a Tesla ignition circuit. Preferably driven at 50HZ (US: 60Hz) which corresponds to a car-engine at 3000rpm. This gives me a high voltage 50Hz square wave at the high-voltage ignition coil output. Can't expect much current, but we'll see.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
Major setup change is I have wave generators but not a DC sinewave output. This is neccesary for all the coils mentioned.
Can't you put a (or more) battery in series to your wave generators to add a DC offset?
Single supply or bias by moving the potential in a dual supply. Single supply is easier. That is where I started originally. The xr-2206 genny supplys are plug and play. I can change at will. I was trying to express the need for single supply operation to get the sine wave above ground. This came to mind when I realized how many items that where posted it seemed to address. The magnetic, electrical, and physic effects all seem reproducable from this. I still have the class A stereo driver up and running. to. This has a bias that I need to see if it will change the Class A output upto class B. Never pushed it that far.
Anyway, I got things on the bench that I am really curious about. The more I build the more mystery goes away. And I don't mind building and testing.
The things I posted last are the culmination of alot of things, education and trials. I've seen alot of other things all come together from the Tesla patent view.
--giantkiller. As always I will post what is really proof.
Quote from: Erfinder on January 03, 2008, 04:17:01 PM
Nature works indirectly! We must do the same!
It was recommended that we not charge a capacitor directly with currents derived directly from the source. It was demonstrated that a circuit of high self-induction was better suited for the purpose of charging the capacitor! If you require more detail in regards to the specific methodology, please reference the patents which have been pointed out time and time again.
The main capacitor is charged by the high self-induction, it, the capacitor is then discharged through the primary of a circuit of low self-induction (of which it forms a part), which is inductively connected with the secondary of a transformer. The ends of the secondary winding in this particular patent ?568,177? are connected to plates P P. It can be assumed that these plates are representing a capacitor, while serving as discharge electrodes for the purpose of ozone production. The reason one can assume that these plates are the plates of a capacitor can be understood by studying 568,178.
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568,178 ? Method Of Regulating Apparatus For Producing Currents Of High Frequency
Pg.2 ? Line 125
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?I have illustrated as a means well adapted for this purpose two metallic plates S S, adjustable to and from each other constituting the two armatures of the condenser.?
End Quote.
Hmmmm?
This is significant. As it reveals yet another capacity of this circuit, (unspoken?illustrated?) the working circuit can be used to charge additional capacitors; capacitors which are far larger (capacity wise) than the capacitor being charged and discharged in the main circuit. So far we see that we can make ozone, and now we know we can charge additional capacitors! If you are having trouble wrapping your mind around what this means; if you cannot see what is being suggested, (demonstrated?patent wise) then you should get out of this business. Yes?you are being told how Tesla devised an idiot proof method of getting more out then he put in?. don?t take my word for it? his is better?LOL?
Quote:
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art07.html
Counsel
Speaking of your not having perfectly undamped waves at that time, you were referring to that character of circuit?
Tesla
Yes, but with another kind of circuit I could, of course. The advantage of this apparatus was the delivering of energy at short intervals whereby one could increase activity, and with this scheme I was able to perform all of those wonderful experiments which have been reprinted from time to time in the technical papers. I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower. In Colorado, I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time. You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave. The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt, an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more. That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.
I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum. For instance, if the engine is of 200 horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower. That is how these wonderful effects are produced. The condenser is the most wonderful instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive.
A common experiment, for instance, in my laboratory on Houston Street, was to pass through a coil energy at a rate of several thousand horsepower, put a piece of thick tinfoil on a stick, and approach it to that coil. The tinfoil would melt, and would not only melt, but while it was still in that form, it would be evaporated and the whole process took place in so small an interval of time that it was like a cannon shot. Instantly I put it there, there was an explosion. That was a striking experiment. It simply showed the power of the condenser, and at that time I was so reckless that in order to demonstrate to my visitors that my theories were correct, I would stick my head into that coil and I was not hurt; but, I would not do it now.
End Quote...
Well folks there you have it! Straight from the horse! Comprehend 568,177, and 568,178, and your off the grid! Wait...that would be a claim.....LOL.....For the record....No....mine is not finished, and if and when it ever is, who cares! Fact is the principles detailed in these patents are over 100 years old. Please don't tell me we are more advanced....if this is true then it should be no problem for the educated and uneducated alike to comprehend and copy what is presented in those lines of text and illustrations.
Oh...can we please stop discussing this here....this is Giantkillers Tread! "Tell The Truth" was started for this! My appologies Giantkiller!!!
Regards
Great post, but you can guess what some critics would say against it being overunity. The energy is just accumulated over time and released in a millisecond or less. That will result in much greater energy output but only for a fraction of the time it took to accumulate it.
Since I can't believe that Tesla was that stupid, there must be something to this.
John
Some excellent posts regarding physical devices... since I am a theory person I have been doing some research and watched the videos on the Sympathetic Vibratory Physics website... which are really great... all about Keeley, but you can see that Russell and Keeley's work are clearly linked...
So I was inspired to come up with this idea... I would be the first to admit I am not an expert on Keeley or Russell... so this probably has been said before by someone somewhere and may contain errors, it is just a hypothesis since their ideas link to those that I have come across elsewhere, and I cannot help but think there is a link to the standing columnar waves seen in nature and the pyramids as well as the filamentary nature of plasma's in space...
I have many ideas in this area and this is very much a work in progress, you can bet this will be out of date a minute or two after I post it (version 4 already! EDIT: Make that 16... EDIT: 18), it is my main focus now... You are welcome to flame me regarding my mistakes or post corrections/ideas as you see fit...
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Moving waves are energy. Standing waves are matter.
The waves are of much higher frequency than our measurements. Russell promotes a large spectrum of light waves are the candidates.
--giantkiller.
A question I have is what creates the boundaries of the standing waves which make them appear as distinct objects instead of a normal wave that propagates across the entire universe... they must be contained,reflected or cancelled by something that is proportional to the size of the physically manifestation that the wave represents and a ratio of its wavelength, whatever its frequency, in order to be a standing wave? That is one part of the idea I was trying to express... the standing waves that create a physical objects manifestation do move as a whole, since the physical object can move relative to other physical objects... so the boundary must move too and therefore have some form of presence even if it is just the harmonic or unharmonic interference created by other waves... thus I believe the boundary must be an effect and therefore should have a cause...
Another point is that in modern particle physics we smash atoms against each other at high velocities and observe the fragments... but lets adopt an analogy of the particle as a crashed car... the fragments thrown off in the crash don't resemble parts of the car in its normal state... without seeing the cars true form before the crash we can only guess at its likeness from the mangled parts... not a very good way of investigating... as Dale Pond says on his SVP videos... so we may never know the cars true form for sure (we might decide it wasn't even a car)... since we can only observe by looking at the results of an energetic interaction... which changes the observed thing, since it is formed of energy itself... just as quantum physics says correctly despite being flawed in other ways... so it may not be possible for us to actually deduce reliably the makeup of the manifestations of physical objects at the very low levels... we may just end up with several models that are incompatible due to the abstract terms used to express them, but which are all consistent with the observable effects and interactions... As is said in Zen the name is not the thing... and one thing can have several names in different languages... though it would be nice if when the dust clears in the future everyone agrees to adopt the same model (not likely I suspect)...
When is a model not a model? Well possibly when its a model... you see we must not forget what Kurt Godel (a true mathematical genius) irrefutably proved... which will probably can the whole idea to a degree... since symbolic languages must always allow correctly formed statements that are contradictory and also ones that cannot be decided, both of which can only be resolved by using a language with more symbols... the expression of a complex model may have these attributes, the more complex it is the more likely it will... you could carry on expanding the symbol set ad infinitum... each model showing contradictions or phenomenon that it cannot express, which can only be solved by using a bigger symbol set... possibly Godel's idea despite being abstract itself may express the only fixed property of the universe and thus be the only 'true' natural law... all our laws could be just manifestations in themselves that can change... an infinitely evolving (yet timeless) creation... after all does God the Universal Conscious Energy have limits on what can be created... you would like to think not... which implies Infinitely Indeterminable Determinism! Which sounds like the most fun to me, no true limits (or just infinitely changing ones)... which is perhaps the simplest solution to the problem... you just got to keep doggy paddling... so could any idea I propose be viewed within this non-contextual context? ermm... that question was non-decidable since it contained a contradiction... look if I resorted to a language with a larger set of symbols I could explain this better... within limits... oh damn, this is getting needlessly recursive... you get the idea!
(This assumes that our Universal God, is not just a part of a larger scheme... like a small part of a fractal, which is a fundamental property of nature as we all know! A pretty mind blowing existential phenomenology in all.)
Note all this does not stop our models being useful... it just means perhaps they will never be complete and can never be a true reflection of reality, since they are only abstract expressions of ideas about it... they can never be it... as apples are not oranges...
Ho Hum... In a universe like this you don't need drugs to get high or have fun ;) (though this post might make more sense)
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P.S. I need to buy Atomic Suicide by Russell also as he updated ideas from The Universal One in that book... so I will not be up to speed for a while...
Thought I would start out the new year with a tribute to David Hamel.
He recently passed away.
His exploits and Muller's started me this on amazing journey from a mechanical aspect. I, along with others here carry that ball forward.
My life will never be the same whether this here is the final step or 1 step in an incredible adventure towards infinity.
--giantkiller. 8)
Howard Johnson also passed on. Too bad they couldn't see thier dreams come to fruit.
thaelin
Just to confirm what ERFinder said about Tesla's ozone generator plates being actually a capacitor, while playing around with a Van De Graaf generator and a homemade capacitor/layden jar, I noticed that when I disconnected the negative pole (allowing charges to build up) I could smell ozone strongly, and could feel a cool breeze coming from the top of the center pole/wire in my cap.
love you guys!
If case there are those who haven't heard this before:
Twilight Zone 1963, 'To serve man'. The alien is addressing a United Nations like group.
How bizarre is this?
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--giantkiller. Posted twice
Did a google search on "Walter Russel rhythmic balanced interchange"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=zWP&q=rhythmic+balanced+interchange+russell&btnG=Search
That's a great mantra for OU work: "Rhythmic Balanced Interchange"
Quote from: singerxyz on January 07, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
Did a google search on "Walter Russel rhythmic balanced interchange"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=zWP&q=rhythmic+balanced+interchange+russell&btnG=Search
That's a great mantra for OU work: "Rhythmic Balanced Interchange"
Right on!.
http://www.antigravitytechnology.net/anti_gravity_inventions.html (http://www.antigravitytechnology.net/anti_gravity_inventions.html)
What do all these guys also have in common? I have to agree with the profoundness of their simple technical solutions to provide profound effects.
Sound... At any level is a force to be reconned with. You either go with it, get pushed out of the way or get obliterated.
I posted that last pic because of the similarity to the notched pvc coil.
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--giantkiller.
@Gk
take for instance two disc magnets place one on a screw or something that can rotate and the other above it, parallel in orientation, attracting in nature, but the magnet is fixed on the top eg tape or whatever when you spin the one below it is not in the top magnets grasp yet but as speed accelerates eventually i start to see a sense of inerta/forced circular path .And the magnet along with the screw 9 times outa ten flies upward even tho at a halt in the same position the top magnet has no affect on it or a very small one only enough to stabilize maybe.
Joe
The rotation of matter seems to show an effect.
With the right rythm of the mixing of electrical and magnetic forces one can use gyroscopic nature to work vertically also.
A spinning force is excluded from the effects impressed on the surrounding matter.
Sine waves would be the only way to get a smooth control. Square waves rock things too hard to get any kind of rythmic control.
http://www.antigravitytechnology.net/anti_gravity_inventions.html (http://www.antigravitytechnology.net/anti_gravity_inventions.html)
These guys used minimal effort to exert a massive change on matter.
So a horizontal high speed spinning magnetic field creates a spherical field surrounding the enclosed item for lift. And the field changes from a toroid to a sphere. Thanks localjoe. I remember you posting that. I think it was you.
Hutchison points the fields in the object direction. At some point he 'gets it right' and the objects move. Just sound. I think the 'getting it right' is the heterodyning at the right location and the right speed in the right rotation. I posted this last year. A spinning field can be attained with heterodyning. A object can be focused on with the spinning field. Looks like the basis for the magnetic drill functionality of the BFG. Just point it at the target mass and use it like a magnetic vaccum cleaner.
So before I stack the 3 layers in the BFG tube I will point them all into a center focus and turn them on. Just like bucket -o- vibes. Somebody suggested I put a glass of salt water in this contraption. I will. I will use sine waves using xr-2206 chips. The 555s need to much to change the wave form. Glad I had other things going on to enable me to back away and think things out better. I can still get square waves if necessary. Also, I am limited in my current time on the bench.
Life is what happens when we are making other plans. John Lennon.
--giantkiller. Thanks to all for the feedback.
@giantkiller
I think of all physical construct of the Universe as the play between two wills.
One trying to concentrate the other trying to disperse. Einstein's theory of special relativity states that all exists relative to the observer. The observer is this will to disperse. It is what guides quonta. In fact it creates direction itself. Look at an oscillating electric field. Why and how does it radiate. It is this dispersal will.
The oscillating electric field represents a form of concentration of quonta. The quonta is trapped so to say. What happens is dispersion will brings itself to bear and the concentration of quonta starts to move. It's movement all dictated by the magnetic field (flow direction of dispersal will). Without this flowing energy all would become as one. We move quonta in the form of a copper conductor across a "magnetic field" (it is actually a faster current) and the dispersion will flows in a vortex which disperses the quonta concentration (the electrons) like a rising water vapor molecule in the eye wall of a hurricane. Move it the other way and the vortex is formed so as to move the electrons in the opposite direction.
Magnetic poles are just this flowing force in opposite directions. The interaction of this flowing energy is always to spread out into a uniform distribution of itself.
I believe the tpu is a construct of man whereby electrons are drawn from a conductor into a vortex flow of energy which gives rise to a sphere of (for loss of another word) magnetic energy. This magnetic energy construct is very much like the magnetosphere of the Earth. It is able to channel energy waves not by their electrical properties but by their magnetic properties into the construct. By accelerating electrons out of their atomic orbitals and causing them to flow in a vortex there leaves a very strong positively charged cylinder. Positive charge to me is the attraction will at work. As long as the vortex is maintained so isn't the gravitational field.
So yes I agree with you on moving rocks with tpus. Plank one down near a rock and watch her roll. Gotta be strong though. Or wind one around a rock and wait for the moon to roll her around.
@ all
Hey folks take the time and watch this 2 min tube clip, i found it crusing earlier, its two tesla coils modulated by audio and the corona color changes with freq and chords just cool figured all would enjoy. the short but sweet renditions. The pretty colors were almost as nice as the hang drum serenade :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQy9VY0s3w&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQy9VY0s3w&feature=related)
Joe
Edit: This is the clearest sounding musical coil ive ever heard.. i wonder if this is because their corona's touch on the notes.. and no this guy doesent have the mother of all midi sequencer's here theres something to this...
if you have ever read up on a mosfet Tesla coil, that is how this particular divice works. (nothing new im sure)
the frequencies used are much higher than the audible range, and the audible frequencies heard are trains of high frequency waves turned on and off many times per audible wave. the higher freqency your coil (at its natural ressonant frequency) the more clear it will sound, its all about finding a balance. ;-)
@Gk
I can only assume you are completely enthralled by now.
@sparks
So many confusing words (but the right track). How do your words hold true in other areas of your life? in other sciences? quanta? (lets talk to the layman, not try to impress)
I don't know if any of you have the book 'The Tesla Papers - Nikola Tesla on Free Energy & Wireless Transmission of Power' by Adventures Unlimited Press, ISBN 0-932813-96-0.
There is an astonishing article in it on the 'Tesla Howitzer' on page 102 which it states was taken from the internet. It explains the particular form of scalar waves that Tesla was producing and corrects many errors in regard to what a scalar wave actually is and how it is composed, and verifys many things that have been said on this thread regarding Tesla's wireless transmission technology. I think it has some useful clues and shows that even with this information much is still unknown. I suspect the mathematics would be pretty mind-bending so it leaves us with experimentation.
I have been puzzling for some time how it is that a pyramid standing columnar wave and scalar waves (as produced by Bedini's clarifier circuit which is two magnets with a coil around them) have the same effects, on food, water, razor blades etc. It has also been a puzzle to me as to how a standing columnar wave is propagated since it shows a banding effect as shown in my diagram posted a few pages ago, which compared the human spine, the Kings chamber and GK's new device.
If the information in the article is correct it solves these problems. Particularly a standing columnar waves is a wave which propagates in 4 space, thus its mode of propagation oscillates. So it travels through space for a period with time progressing normally, then stands still but time flexes, then it travels again time being normal again. The article seems pretty far reaching and seem like a way to explain Tesla's and Hutchinsons effects as well as the pyramid energy. Scalar waves in the sense of the article appear to have properties which have been missed. It accounts for the time effects that have been exibited in a number of experiments as well. Since when time is flexed by a wave of this nature, it will serve to modulate all other forces and natural constants within its area of effect.
It also explains how the brain can produce telekinetic effects and telepathy etc. The brain is basically a scalar wave interferometer. Each half of the brain can generate a scalar wave, which propagate superluminally and at the point where the two converge the nature of matter can be affected etc. The brain can also detect scalar field which then provides a mechanism for telepathy, scalar wave communication! This would explain why monks and those that spend years training their mind to control their physiology gain these abilites which they would not otherwise have. The training in effect allows them the ability to tune their brains to send and receive these waves. I think it is no coincidence that they say they are meditating to increase their spiritual vibration, which may be a real increase of the frequency in their brain... I suspect the normal alpha, delta and theta waves we have been measuring are only a small part of the brains true capability, much of which lies in the scalar field...
I have found some interesting an interesting article which shows that time is indeed not linear. The potential then exists for some scalar wave effects or some other form of wave to propagate through time in either direction, hence a possible explanation for the feeling of deja-vu and premonitions. History to some degree is therefore not fixed, which is supported by some of the REG experiments done at PEAR, where it was shown that a mind could effect the hsitoric results from a random number generator that was sealed in a box some time prior to the experiment!
A
I always felt that SM was getting paid to create a new kind of speaker for RCA. In this process he discovered the energy conversion properties of the TPU. Sounds like GK + EM are finishing up his work to me. ::)
@all,
I posted this because of the visible layers of the pulsar side view. It struck me as chambered with 3 sections. The first being the generation stage then 2 amplification stages. The energy starts at the bottom left hand side and is emitted at the upper right hand side. The pulses are 300 times a second. This blew my tie back.
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BFG? Same rules, different place.
We all know what the old name of the BFG is so I add this: Bombarding Frequency Generator. After all, this is a family show. :D
Lets recap here: IS did 3 freqs from a perimeter focused towards the center. He spun the sound levels in both horizontal directions and house plants swayed in and out. He moved air in controlled waves.
Hutchison does 3 freqs. 2 Tesla coils at the epicenter or somewhat close. The 2 coils actually sit in the field. Like Wardenclyffe. The 3rd freq is used to bombard that 2 coil field from an external position. This no doubt causes a rotational interference similar to Rodin math pattern. And with that, the objects in the spinning field become lighter.
So in the BFG chambered path, the emitted fields spins sequentially. So the reason for the center pulse coil is to push the interference outward away from the tube.
Each layer will have seperate amplitude controls, seperate direction and speed controls which equates to frequencies. I am even going to institute sequential layer firing, forward and backward. This time the device wil be stand mounted outside, away from overhead air traffic and I ain't touching it. I will fire it remotely. This is my design and I am sticking to it. I have alot of engineering to do. This is 'The gun that doesn't make any noise'.
You'll notice in the Hutchison videos that he doesn't have very large copper. It's all frequency heterodyning. Sounds like Keely. Pun intended.
@Armagdn03,
Yes, I have read the first chapter and already the landscape has changed. At what time does 'walking on water' become something of a chore with no rewards garnered. The mass populous society is definately deluded by the lie. Their soma is damaging.
--giantkiller. What we are experiencing here is a most excellent mind place to be at.
@GK
I can see why some are worried about the dangers, scalar waves can and have been used as weapons, this post is not intended as negative, just to show that they are already in wide scale use as Tom Bearden has said, it is not just paranoia, details have been surfacing for some time:
It is rumoured that one was used in Iraq mounted on a modified tank:
http://www.2012.com.au/Super_weapon_Bagdad.html
The russians already apepar to have/had several working models on a large scale, look at the photos here... Wydenclyffe anyone?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319602/pg1
My personal favourite is here, I have attached the main picture to this post, which I think was posted before by someone:
http://freesrpska.org/en/index.php?Itemid=30&id=58&option=com_content&task=view
So scalar wave interferometry is clearly the way to go. It is said that crop circles are created by scalar wave interferometers in continous mode. People who have seen crop circles being created say that a small fireball like ball lightning creates them, which is basically a description of a plasma ball that is created when two scalar waves of the correct frequencies and power interfere with each other. By timing the waves correctly it is possible to move the ball around in 3 space. It is not beyond belief that this was done by someone to either make people think aliens were here, wake the public up, or as a subtle warning to other countries where the circles appeared that the someone had the technology. On the other hand the operators of the machines could have just been bored!
On a positive note while GK's setup is fantastic, for others it might be worth constructing a simple adjustable high frequency scalar wave interferometer to experiment with very carefully... perhaps like Hutchison or perhaps two devices pointing at a single point, but they should always be activated remotely from a safe distance for safety purposes as GK is doing in an area with no people around... the first article linked to the above shows the dangers, so only do it if you have the necessary skill... it is very very dangerous...
A
@Acerzw: That first link to the tank-mounted superweapon sounds a lot like the Laser-Induced Plasma Channel. A femtosecond-pulsed UV laser breaks down the air dielectric, allowing high-voltage AC to pass with little resistance to the illuminated target, confining the arc to a lossless channel of atmospheric plasma. It figures they would take this to the extreme...
Imagine using that as a zero-friction commutator?
@shanjaq
That is possible, however some accounts refer to the fact that the remains of the humans in the bus appeared to shrunk down to the size of babies... the account I linked to was not the original one I saw, which unfortunately I was not able to find. Though the laser induced plasma channel is also an interesting and horrific device...
A
I contend that there are two fundamental forces at play in the physical Universe. One to make all as one and the other to make all void. The construct of matter totally reliant on the play of these two wills. Energy is but a change in being, goverened by these two wills. Scalar waves can be thought of as propogating in a media. Kinetic energy being converted into a compression wave at the scource of the converter that then travels through this media and takes the form of compression then relaxation of the media. This is not em waves as we know them. Somewhere back in the 50's there was alot of work done on producing scalar (sound wave type) em waves. Telsa's dream was to produce these scalar waves in such a way as to benefit man by wireless power transmission: but along comes somebody and takes his work and develops a weapon. Alot of scientists refer to dispersion force as vacuum energy. It is a force not a form of matter/energy. So someone figures out a way to create a vacuum here on Earth. The vacuum is void of matter so the dispersion will does it's thing and fills it with void force. This can be thought of as a magnetic liquid with all lines of force flowing in such a way that it becomes a quiesent construct. Hard to invision something flowing and yet not moving. Now into this column of "vacuum energy" is introduced some matter. And the dispersion force does the rest. It disperses this matter (matter arising from equilibrium state of the two fundamental wills) with a vengance. So now man has the ability to generate energy (energy is change in being) by a new means that is not reliant on em mainipulation that results in kinetic energy being converted to potential energy in a conductor. First thing he does is make a weapon. What is wrong with us?
Center pulse trigger coil mounted with wire terms.
Adding termination blocks on first ring coil. Designing nonmagnetic brackets to suspend all coils in place in tube.
Any misuse is use for or against something that refuses to change whether right or wrong.Terminology is always a misnomer.
--giantkiller. 8)
someone is a fan of radioshack no?
Hello all
I see GK figuared out how to make a light sabor ;D ;D ;D ;D
looks GREAT
keep on trucking
wer
A good friend of mine made an em lazer back in the 80's. He set up a lattice type series of wave relectors. Each time the wave was reflected it would pickup energy from standing waves inside it's travel field. Quite a bit of gain. Use to "fire" it at a flurescent bulb that would most of the time light up and sometimes blow up. :o
I will attempt to roll up my sleeves and pull rabbits out of a hat. The rabbit part is easy :D
So here we go,
If we look at all the SM TPUs we find a common denominator and that is the feedback windings.
Fat copper, low winding count.
This is the output stage wrapped back around either all or part of the unit. Can we say feedback and flyback?
Why PHAT(Potentially Hot and Terminal) copper? Because of the output power at the final stage.
Low winding count equals current.
Now feed that to the control coil arrangement whether part of that or in parallel around the collector. Yes! 90 degrees coupling works. Otto and I showed this last year. And Viola! We have the trigger.
In the SM4 and SM6 models we have the PHAT feedback encompassing the whole unit.
In the SM15 & 17 and the horseshoe model we have the feedback wrapped around voice coils in the center. Marco posted the dancing magnets and the columnar dancing voice coil at this time.
The open TPUs have their feedback wrapped around a portion of the frame in parallel space not with the windings. Why? These fields are picked up by the monitor transformers mounted inside. Sauron posted the picks of these at the time.
Why did SM swipe the magnet? It only worked on the open units. It enables the control and collector fields while enhancing the feedback field. Lets call it boosting to get the feedback field through space to the control coil. Boom. There is the circular function.
Now lets talk about the collectors. They are in the middle of the magnetic field. Push the earth at the right speed and it pushes back. We have seen many, many examples of this in real life. This coil fires against the feedback. And guess what? The feedback arrangement using audio works here also.
This is the stun gun coil arrangement. Get rid of the spark output and produce magnetic fields. Either way we have product here. There have been many examples of this in both output arenas.
Lighting a bulb is only an example of Wardenclyffe. The ECD is the same. They are stun gun configurations with a resistive element in the output stage before the energy flys focused off into space. The spark gap is a higher energy, going towards ultraviolet. The light bub is in the lower visible range.
The Bombarding Frequency Generator is an accumulation of all these configurations. Nothing new here. :o
--giantkiller. What a long strange trip its been. 8)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D3354.0%3Battach%3D15944&hash=3f12fe8e9305345429b97f1a7cc6ed75fe59a2e0)
Tesla strikes again.
A (that other guy looks a bit like me, spooky!)
@gk
What I find most interesting about the TPU is that it is able to generate a DC current in a shorted winding. I see the kicker coils as RADIATING a spiraling magnetic field into the plane of the collector windings. This spiraling magnetic field results in current flow in the collector. The current flow in the collector gives rise to a magnetic field which would normallly counter the magnetic field of current inducement but you've got to remember that the magnetic field of inducement was radiated into the conductor. This results in only a minor if any change in impedance of the kicker coils. So kick two comes in without any trouble and increases the collector current flow. Soon a dc current is established in the collector winding which gives rise to a magnetic antennae upon which outside scources of em can react with. At this point though there has to be a way to get the collected energy out of the system otherwise all you have is a big old magnet with some hot copper in the middle. (I believe mother nature makes little tpu's all the time and sometimes they are big enough for us to see as dancing bright spheres people call ufos, which are nothing but magnetic bubbles or floating tpus) SM gets it out but it is a bit complicated. Maybe just let her go and heat up the collector windings which could be constructed of tubing and run water through them. Lot's of free nice warm showers. :D
GK nice easy to understand flow diagram.
@ Acer
You typing about my guy? Attached below Egyptian heiroglipyic of a lattice with two tuning fork type devices with the tips ablaze. All you need is a spark gap to induce an emwave. The egyptians new about batteries so they sure as hell knew about sparks. Makes Hertz a rediscoverer and my guy a rebuilder. Still editing. If you look down below the lattice configuration you see what appears as a magnetic sphere with an arrow pointing up. Below and above the lattice is a dish shape. Could this be a discription of a flying saucer launch? Fun to think about. GK sorry about clouding your thread.
Quote from: sparks on January 14, 2008, 02:38:43 PM
@gk
What I find most interesting about the TPU is that it is able to generate a DC current in a shorted winding. I see the kicker coils as RADIATING a spiraling magnetic field into the plane of the collector windings. This spiraling magnetic field results in current flow in the collector. The current flow in the collector gives rise to a magnetic field which would normallly counter the magnetic field of current inducement but you've got to remember that the magnetic field of inducement was radiated into the conductor. This results in only a minor if any change in impedance of the kicker coils. So kick two comes in without any trouble and increases the collector current flow. Soon a dc current is established in the collector winding which gives rise to a magnetic antennae upon which outside scources of em can react with. At this point though there has to be a way to get the collected energy out of the system otherwise all you have is a big old magnet with some hot copper in the middle. (I believe mother nature makes little tpu's all the time and sometimes they are big enough for us to see as dancing bright spheres people call ufos, which are nothing but magnetic bubbles or floating tpus) SM gets it out but it is a bit complicated. Maybe just let her go and heat up the collector windings which could be constructed of tubing and run water through them. Lot's of free nice warm showers. :D
And that is the squeezing. We pulse faster than the coil relaxes.
The vortexes happen all the time in nature. The dowsers see the small ones all the time with their rods. The rest of us see them as the spinning storms like tornadoes, hurricanes, dust devils. The TPUs creating a void or pressure would show the same thing.
@Sparks,
There are no such things as clouding. Only a bountiful horizon.
--giantkiller.
Diagram below is a "natural" tpu spotted here on earth many times day or night.
Tpu on the move. Usually appears as a radiant sphere. Radiance due to emwaves slipping along the mag field. Magnetic bubble. Anyone steering ?
Beats me. Defies gravity in it's motion. Bet it doesn't defy magnetism in it's motion.
@all
I have heard good things about this website, I must admit I have not had much time to devote to looking at it yet but it seems to be very much in the light of Walter Russel. I am going to spend sometime studying it soon and will report back.
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/dbl/
@sparks, I was joking about Weri812's avatar, look like me!
A
hello ACERZW
no problem remember the star trek series one was "mirror mirror"
God speed to all
WER
Nothing like a well needed ion storm, eh, fellow transporters?
Did anybody see the UFO report from Texas this morning?
I have already told a few of my plans for the summer. I am going down to Sedonia, Ariz. for a hiking trip. I am setting up stun gun emissions tests. Worked last year. I am also getting the BFG ready to tune and signal at a ship. Yes. I have spoken to a number of people that have seen them. They are all around in the sky almost every night. Great way to go down in the history books, eh? It is also a beautiful place.
And in case I get abducted then this here is documentation to excuse any criminal charges against the others in my party. There is always a method.
Experimentation is always worth the cost. 8)
--giantkiller. Crazy? So were those labeled before me.
Say hello to Elvis for me!! :D :D :D
@Sparks,
Thanks for this. I took the liberty to include additional properties.
--giantkiller.
@gk
@GK
I republished the floating tpu with a legend. In light of the ufo in texas I wanted to clarify the floater. I think a floater can happen as soon as you have an electrical current take on the form of a vortex. This could be caused by atmospheric vortices that have dust in them. The electrostatic charges on the dust gives rise to the electrical vortex. I believe that the current of the vortex, gives rise to a torroidal to spherical shaped magnetic field. This construct stabilises itself by causing other emwaves to travel the magnetic field into the interior of the tpu where they align with the vortex and convert their potential energy into kinetic energy of the vortex. So what you have now is an electro-magnetic sphere not a wave an ELECTROMAGNETIC SPHERE. This sphere will react with magnetic fields and move through space guided by the dispersion force (magnetic lines of force). It doesn't give a damn about gravity because it has very little mass, and more a magnetic creature than anything else. The light comes from the energy of this system ionizing air as it floats around the magnetic ocean of the Earth. Least that is what I believe can happen to make a UFO that appears as orbs or saucers of cigar shaped.
I'm on page 13 and slowly catching up...
A New Kind of Acoustic Laser (http://www.aip.org/pnu/2006/split/779-1.html)
Sound amplification by stimulated emission of raciation, or SASER, is the acoustic analog of a laser. Instead of a feedback-built potent wave of electromagnetic radiation, a saser would deliver a potent ultrasound wave.
Localjoe,
Is there a practical example of this implosion?
Quote from: Localjoe on November 05, 2007, 01:32:26 AM
. . .
The implosion of the Golden sine waves into smaller and smaller wavelengths not only increases the frequency of the waves but also increases the speed of the waves to become super-luminal waves (travelling faster than light).
. . .
still reading....
Quote from: singerxyz on November 06, 2007, 09:37:38 AM
This is a chart about the progression of mankind according to the Mayan Calendar from http://www.mayanmajix.com/cycles.com
. . .
5th "Day" Nov. 24th, 2006 - Nov. 18th, 2007
(We meet our Galactic neighbors)
. . .
hehehe
I guess they saw us then turned around and went home. lol
acerzw,
The document you posted a link for begins with this point:
- 1. For this work, only clear, concrete functional models can be used.
Not one single abstract factor can be allowed. Everything must be
clear down to the smallest detail and it must be possible to
describe it with the parameters of classical mechanics. Absolute
causality is the basic principle.
Then elaborates the abstraction of a universe comprised of an ideal gas:
- The entire contents of the universe consists of an ideal gas, which is
highly degenerated within high density zones. Density and pressure
of this medium are extremely high, even if compared to the proporti-
ons inside the atomic nucleus. This gas consists of uniform particles
called ?space-quanta? (SQ).
It's hard to read a paper that immediately violates its own premise.
Quote from: acerzw on December 21, 2007, 12:00:38 AM
@all
Apologies for posting this link again, but this document appears to be a real work of genius and I would encourage all to read it as it removes all the abstract mathematical sillyness and multiple dimensions from physics and appears to make far more sense... It may not be 100% correct but it must be very very close IMHO... particularly when viewed in the light of the work of Tesla, Pete Lindeman, Marinov & Walter Russell... all heading in this direction... and I suspect that Tom Bearden's work on the source charge problem either fits within this work or is supplanted by it... ho hum... all converging in a creative vortex... and this document must be near the nexus!
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
It does rather support the idea of environmental energy and unity energy as described by all the above... and proven by numerous builders... both dead and alive...
A
So then it would stand to reason that a very high speed magnetic field could create a virtual partical that looks like an object of a higher order that interfaces with the cosmos. We could then create a transit object that can travel like an electron in the plasma waves.
A sinewave TPU incorporating a blocking oscillator and a Bedini SGM. That unit drives a bigger TPU made of more matter to create the huge faster field.
Same rules, different place. If you look at the plasma tendrils Thunderbolts of the gods, they are comprised of a magnetic tube made by a transmission pair.
-giantkiller. 8)
Quote from: Erfinder on January 18, 2008, 06:56:57 PM
@GK,
What is the name of the software you use to generate these images?
Regards
Moray with povray renderer. It is free at the moment and is sweet. The model engine is based on adding primitives together to merge or slice. There are plugins available.
http://www.stmuc.com/moray (http://www.stmuc.com/moray)/
If ya need help with using it let me know.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 18, 2008, 08:16:13 PM
Quote from: Erfinder on January 18, 2008, 06:56:57 PM
@GK,
What is the name of the software you use to generate these images?
Regards
Moray with povray renderer. It is free at the moment and is sweet. The model engine is based on adding primitives together to merge or slice. There are plugins available.
http://www.stmuc.com/moray (http://www.stmuc.com/moray)/
If ya need help with using it let me know.
--giantkiller.
Another good choice is KPovModeler which runs under Kubuntu Linux... its very good...
http://www.kpovmodeler.org/
A
8)
--giantkiller.
it's beautiful
damn.
Hello GK
very nice
but you were not supose to build the planet killer fore another year lol ;D ;D ;D
wer
Aha there is another way to get power out of the tpu collector windings.
All structural inserts and clamps are vinyl. No metal inside at all to disrupt field integrity. No holes made. These would look like coronal mass ejection ports.
I have 2 additions that Keely implemented in other ways and that is the aluminum shield tude and the magnetic fields from a bias on the xr-2206 sinewave gens.
This shows the current coil diagram. I can jumper this thing like an old switchboard.
There are a few mechanical steps left then I can start to connect up what I have previously implemented in electronics.
--giantkiller.
P.S. The markets fell to produce shorts in the market. The world government just financed the IRAQ debacle, again, from your retirement plans. Makes things look like a pre-election Republican sponsored tax cut to gain voter confidence. The transactions were in place for Bushs' speech on Friday to fire into the market on Monday. Worked for Enron and 9-11. Evil is afoot, people.
I believe it GK,Ã, there are things behind the scenes that we probably would not believe.Ã, As soon as Sadam Hussain was taken out and Iraq invaded oil prices started moving up.Ã, What does that tell us?Ã, He was selling oil on the black market and corroding prices, he didn't play by the "let's screw the world and get rich quick group mentality",Ã, so we took him out and Saudi Arabia smiled from ear to ear.Ã, Anyway, sell while you can cause the Global Recession is coming.Ã, I would buy gold and land, tagiable things you can sink your teeth into.Ã, Start hording some copper too, you might need it for TPUsÃ, LOLÃ, :)
I don't want to digress form the spirit of this thread, or GK's amazing accomplishments, but the last few posts reminded me of this quote
Quote There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.
(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
QuoteWe are intellectual prostitutes
Oh God, I need another job!!! LOL :D
Sorry for the detour into politics GK, keep up the good work man.
EM
Hi all,
Well said @EM. I found both Shrub elections were fixed...
Now watch Goollyoni sneak in next: twin towers vaporized and he lies about it all..
..building 7# Imploded blocks away to distroy ENRON evidence.
Cheney was pushing to buttons.
Out of work, just get a job making bombs and bullets for WW3
McCain wants to bomb Iran.
Rant over.
@GK beautiful coil pic. nice work!
Gulp,
DGM
I'll piece this together when I can:
The gray rails are from the hobby store. The yellow stuff is poly clay. You mold it, cut it, cook it @ 265d for 20 mins., cool it, sand it, polish it. You get great prototype starts. I can then use this as a jig for harder material.
The white bands are PVC pipe. The aluminum sheet is dryer vent.
60 terminal connections.
--giantkiller.
@GK
Nice... I will incorporate that into my plans for the DeathStar just hope I can get enough old car hoods to complete the shell - 3 out of 475,000,000,000,000 to go...
A
right on time
Acerzw 8)
wer
Hi GK
have a look at this middle down of page Bob said something about this device
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gseamnu.htm
wer
@Weri812
I think that is what otto means when he says raise the voltage. The effect described in the gstrain in jnl labs 3rd rev of this device shows once a certain speed/voltage is reached the efficiency of the amp starts to go over 100% one test describes 15v as the barrier to pass then the effect is shown and another test states somewhere around 22v.
Joe
Quote from: weri812 on January 22, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
Hi GK
have a look at this middle down of page Bob said something about this device
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gseamnu.htm
wer
@And to all,
This is the first experiment I want to try. It will take 3 freqs of DC sine on a bias of DC, which I already have setup.
All clockwise or combinations of cw, cww. And square waves.
I am psyched about this. The BFG is the same coil setup as Seike's Schematic that was posted just recently in this thread.
And Grumpy stated to pulse the control coils with the resonace of the inner bigger coils.
Looks like all the effort is really to keep it simple. ;) And it is we are because. ;D
I did some mechanical adjustments and additions last night. Simple. I put a pvc ring at the back end to hold the main rails symmetrical. I now have a subassembly that slides into the tube better. This step gives the stability to the term blocks for connection. Little steps.
This step gives the innards a secure holding for the electrical connections. I am going to hold off on the mounting of the electrical subassembly inside the tube for now. The rings are now in a position for testing and that is good enough for now. The tube acts like a case for the inner structure. I am also going to gather up the external support units, controls, battteries and the like into a hard case for transport. Then I will focus on a stand for outside testing.
I will post a pic later today.
The bottom line is that the layer coil configurations have been seen in many places. I am just doing the same.
I saw the Philadephia experiment again last night. Where they used a high speed mechanical turbine, I believe the heterodyning will achieve the same speed.
This is going to be the shortest rant on OU. The JNL/Seike test states and shows using solid state in the coil. Say what? No further comments necessary. Too much blather on this subject was deposited elsewhere. Although Marco showed his circular circuit board with solid state arrangement in the coil also. That didn't get as much play as tubes inside and nobody argued with that.
--giantkiller.
@gk
I agree with the technical explanation of the gravity effect but in laymans terms if i were swinging one of those model planes thats on a wire for instance and it just kept going faster and faster .... if it was travailing in a complete circle every time would its inertial displacement eventually be positive so to say as to provide upward thrust, not in the conventional sense..If you do it long enough your arm kinda feels like its going to pull upwards sometimes thats why i make this analogy. I wish i could explain this better but tesla mentioned the principal in his mechanical oscillator somewhere .... The one described as the washing machine. Another example of this effect i think can be seen using the example grumpy posted of the electron lattice structure. He described as a car outa control on a one way track that zig zaged up and down.. Now the speed of the movement of the electrons should give rise to inertial displacement if a high enough velocity is achieved. Thoughts?
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on January 23, 2008, 02:49:30 PM
@gk
I agree with the technical explanation of the gravity effect but in laymans terms if i were swinging one of those model planes thats on a wire for instance and it just kept going faster and faster .... if it was travailing in a complete circle every time would its inertial displacement eventually be positive so to say as to provide upward thrust, not in the conventional sense..If you do it long enough your arm kinda feels like its going to pull upwards sometimes thats why i make this analogy. I wish i could explain this better but tesla mentioned the principal in his mechanical oscillator somewhere .... The one described as the washing machine. Another example of this effect i think can be seen using the example grumpy posted of the electron lattice structure. He described as a car outa control on a one way track that zig zaged up and down.. Now the speed of the movement of the electrons should give rise to inertial displacement if a high enough velocity is achieved. Thoughts?
Joe
In Marco's avatar of the spoked coils he posted about the hi speed mag field exhibiting properties outside the current laws of physics. That is why I went back to the philadelphia exp. Lo and behold and true to form there is a high speed runaway magfield. I remember seeing this before my new found hobby. Now I understand. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ViMy_aIm5Q&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ViMy_aIm5Q&NR=1)
-giantkiller.
Kinda looks like a Wardenclyffe jr.
This is the BFG2K8 internals so far.
The next step is mechanical security and mounting the term blocks.
The object here is to put together things we have all seen and show the results whether they are those we want or don't want, expect or don't expect.
Total cost so far is > $35.00usd.
--giantkiller.
@Gk
Seeing as how you have two. ???
@sparks,
Yes, another combination to setup. I will. My plan is to stabilze this device mechanically then do a call to arms here for suggestions, ideas, and configurations. This is open source.
Now, What I have here is 2 steel balls. These will connect into a sparkgap configuration but will not work. They are magnetic and that prohibits all 3 vectors from aligning. Must use brass, copper, or gold. If they are not any of these elements you don't have a magic wand. 8)
--giantkiller. I cut them off of a $7.00 door rack.
Hi
I don't know if you have seen the pictures posted on the single wire tests thread, by Jeanne, of the structure of the atom, taken from the front cover of an old version of Dr Patrick Flanagan's Pyramid Power Book. Very interesting and odd since they show what appear to be torus's rather than electrons etc... see the cover photo text on the picture... there are so many possible interpretations... I will repost the best image here... there are other images taken and posted by Scotty1 who I have asked for more details...
The cover on the current version of the paperback book, which I have is different, and I don't think it mentions the photo at all within its text... a search of the net for information on the picture comes up a big blank... curious... unless of course the info was incorrect and retracted later, which seems odd as Dr Flanagan appears to have been pretty careful on verifying stuff...
A
Seems that www.vortexpluswater.com, a very useful site which several have quoted here appears to have bitten the dust... luckily I know some have it archived... 8)
A
Terminal block mechanics acquired and onboard. 8)
Another step towards happiness...
--giantkiller.
kewl
@acerzw
Magnetic vortex gives rise to linear electrical potential through the core of the magnetic vortex.
(see below). Electrical linear current gives rise to a magnetic vortex around the conductor. (iron remembers electrical current flow by forming magnetic vortices in it's atomic structure) And from all indications an electrical vortex gives rise to a spherical magnetic field. So by reasoning it out a magnetic spherical field would give rise to an electrical vortex.
@GK
Coming along! Beware propagation of too large a "standing wave" circulation. :o
What is apparent in my previously posted pic is that things are a little loose and crooked. I only need items straight for start up. Oddly enough, if the coils are a little loose then that is a good thing to prevent any overages. Vibratory shaking would warp the operation. ;) An added feature in conjuction with low thermal qualities of plastic. So I have multiple breakpoints. Oh the decisions.
The next electrical step is to hookup the triple xr2206 panel for single supply operation, hook in the TIP41b bank and current limiting resistors to the layers.
I am going to operate the innards standalone, not in the tube at first. Check of heat and any destructive parameters up front.
I have taken too long on this congifuration to my liking. I am a 'Type A'. Getting done tho.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: sparks on January 29, 2008, 10:02:43 AM
@acerzw
Magnetic vortex gives rise to linear electrical potential through the core of the magnetic vortex.
(see below). Electrical linear current gives rise to a magnetic vortex around the conductor. (iron remembers electrical current flow by forming magnetic vortices in it's atomic structure) And from all indications an electrical vortex gives rise to a spherical magnetic field. So by reasoning it out a magnetic spherical field would give rise to an electrical vortex.
@GK
Coming along! Beware propagation of too large a "standing wave" circulation. :o
Interesting observations!
It should also be noted though, that a standing vortex will not give rise to a conduction of current, that in fact there must be a change in time introduced, as in, the vortex must be in flux in order to cause a circulatory flow of current through it. This is why you cannot just thread a wire through a magnet and have current flow.
@Arma, GK & Sparks
Wow what a coincidence... (don't believe in them, do you?)
I have been trying to assimilate as much information as possible from the Pyramid Book as possible into my energy diagram... it is quite hard as the book is pretty heavy going and is actually 3 books in one, so the subject matter is a bit spread out... but my efforts are beginning to pay off as I link things together, I am visual so the diagram is my way to do it...
So here is the latest version... there will be more updates as usual... how much information can be packed into a diagram, the maximum information density, that is what I will find out! (PDF as usual)
A 8) (I posted this version on the Natural TPU thread as well)
Quote from: sparks on January 29, 2008, 10:02:43 AM
@acerzw
Magnetic vortex gives rise to linear electrical potential through the core of the magnetic vortex.
(see below). Electrical linear current gives rise to a magnetic vortex around the conductor. (iron remembers electrical current flow by forming magnetic vortices in it's atomic structure) And from all indications an electrical vortex gives rise to a spherical magnetic field. So by reasoning it out a magnetic spherical field would give rise to an electrical vortex.
@GK
Coming along! Beware propagation of too large a "standing wave" circulation. :o
Great post. I was drawn to the 2 image planes here. One is Orion and the other the plasma flow. Now, the cloud and the stars could be connected electrically but the objects in the Z diminesion are put in a
flat image where the realistic depth that is not shown is in the millions of light years.
I say we start a
Flat universe society. ::) If we aren't there already.
--giantkiller. Do our eyes make us wise?
@GK
I am with you on The Flat Universe Society... I was astonished to see here in the UK that the latest issue of New Scientist Magazine has a front cover showing that someone has invented the idea of an UnParticle, which apparently may relate to UnGravity and the possibility of UnUniverses!
I am not joking, check it out here:
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19726401.400-the-hunt-for-the-ununiverse.html
It find it tremendously reassuring that the article opens with a quote from Donald Rumsfeld the second greatest UnLogical statement maker after Mr Bush... ;D (I had to double check my calendar that it wasn't April 1st)
Apparently an UnParticle could have all masses and all sizes at the same time... I suspect that when it is measured exactly, it is likely to be found that its size has been engineered exactly to fit into all the gaping holes in all the current conventional physics theories!
Is it me or are things getting rather desperate in conventional science, I am genuinely dumbfounded that people are taking such ideas seriously... particularly when conventional science doesn't even understand electricity... this is a giant Yeap in the wrong direction...
You know I am convinced that my new years night theory about building coils from cheese is as valid as this idea, if not more valid... luckily I am a qualified UnScientist... so where do I sign up to TFUS! Lets abolish Z coords...
A
@armeged
Yes there must be field change to induce energy. The vortex field is a potential energy structure similar to a standing wave. I was thinking about a CRT tube and how the standing wave energy of the flyback transformer is converted to electrical current and to a lesser degree ion bombardment of the screen. I was wondering if a vortex field is caused to propogate in an ionzed gas chamber what would happen.
Single wire lightbulb sparks?
was that a question? im a little confused, sorry.
No armagedon ;D
I was busting sparks balls... he mentioned standing wave potential and ionized gas chamber in the same sentence. I couldn't resist. May have actually no bearing on what he was asking you. Sorry :P
@acer,
that will only take time! be patient.
lol
sam
@all,
"what are earth's electro magnetic currents?"
lol
sam
@local joe
A big old lightbulb with no wire? I hate to mention quantom mechanics but if the vortex energy field adds to the spin velocity of electrons (adds photons to the atomic structure of the ionized gas) then there should be light emitted as the electrons move to higher energy orbitals.
@ armegedon
Yes it was a question. Just trying to figure out with the help of others how to extract useable energy from a vortex electrical field.
@ GK
Something is telling me that if you have two tpu's with current rotating in opposite directions there will arise an electrical potential between the two tpu fields. If the voltage gets high enough :o ?
@GK
Ive been reading different articles on scalar beam containment and i think that a Quartz glass tube in the center of your unit may work well as to the placment of the 3 tpu's with it im not sure but the confinement of it seemed to be of importance. Just something to check out. :)
Joe
@Sparks,
I agree. And when 2 of more frequencies are used, and the heterodyne product is run back around into a low winding feedback that encompasses all the layers you get the wide field emmision from the copper all over the coils. It should be obvious to all that the energy was escaping externally instead of being captured internally.
The choices are single or more DC sine waves with possible bias or square waves. Energy emitting outward instead of inward. At sometime when you get the energy / speed, nod nod, wink wink faster that the copper coil can conduct the energy flies away from the copper.. No so with capturing / aligning the atomic product.
@Localjoe,
Yes. That is what the center coil is for. But until I or others combinations come to bear I am sticking with low thermal viability / plastic. Roberto has also stated the same premise. I want to make it tthrough the lot of combinations to see all that work. I will work in glass when the time comes. I could easily wrap a number of rods together to start a winding form. Ceramic would be nice, like the knife sharping rods. But that permits edges instead of cylindrical winds. I am also looking into tourmaline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourmaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourmaline).
--giantkiller. I have alot of combinations but from a base set that I don't have to stray from. And it doesn't take much power.
Quote from: sparks on January 31, 2008, 09:32:43 AM
@ armegedon
Yes it was a question. Just trying to figure out with the help of others how to extract useable energy from a vortex electrical field.
You cannot extract any energy from a vortex. thats not the point, thats not what you are trying to do. You are trying to figure out the fundamental movement of energy, vortexes could be involved, but the point is you want your machines to work like the fundamental movement, you want it to be balanced and work with the natural movement of electrical disturbances.
@GK if your coils are to cut to ressonant length, then you might want to try square waves, as they tend to give more rich range of harmonics.
The rules of what Keely operated by have intrigued me for a long time. I dug into it but then I saw the different gases, spheres, pressures he applied because his doctrine fell right in line with I read in Walter Russell.
And here is a real world example:
http://www.keelynet.com/keely/mayacous.txt (http://www.keelynet.com/keely/mayacous.txt)
Tuned shells with the surounding ballcourt environment.
Here is where the numbers, that so many had posted before, were expressed:
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The rhythmic relations in which force acts are everywhere, under
all conditions, and at all times, the same. They are found
experimentally to be universally expressible by the mathematical
relations of thirds.
These threefold relations may be expressed with regard to their
results as,--
I. Assimilative.
II. Individualizing.
III. Dominant or Resultant.
From these three actions are derived the three fundamental;
LAWS OF BEING.
I. Law of Assimilation: every individualized object assimilates
itself to all other objects.
II. Law of Individualization: every such object tends to
assimilate all other objects to itself.
III. Law of the Dominant: every such object is such by virtue of
the higher or dominant force which controls these two
tendencies.
Applying these fundamental laws to an explanation of the
universe, as it is brought to human cognition, all manifestations of
force may be treated as modes of vibrations. The essential differences
give rise to three modes of vibration:--
I. The Radiative : called also the `Dispersing,' the
`Propulsive,' the `Positive,' and the `Enharmonic.'
II. The Focalizing: called also the `Negative,' the `Negative
Attractive,' the `Polarizing,' and the `Harmonic.'
III. The Dominant: called also the `Etheric,' or the `Celestial.'
These, it will be noted, correspond to the three laws of being.
It is not to be understood that any one of these three modes of
vibration can exist independently. Each by itself is called a
`current,' and all three must be present in every `stream' or `flow'
of force. The relations of the currents in every flow are expressible
in thirds, and it is experimentally demonstrable that the relation of
the three are in the order named: as 33 1/33 : 66 2/3 : 100.
The evolution of what is called `matter' from the different modes
of vibration is through the action of the second law, that of
focalization, or `negative attraction,' or `negative affinity.'
Where the vibrations under this mode meet, and are maintained in
a stated of mutual affinity or equilibrium, there is established what
is called a `neutral centre,' or, as otherwise expressed, a centre of
sympathetic coincidence.
The terms `neutral attraction,' `neutral affinity,' `negative
attraction,' or `polar negative attraction,' are employed to express
the property of a mode of vibration to direct its components toward
such centre.
As no current or flow of force can be composed of one mode of
vibration only, but must always be composed of three modes uniting in
varying thirds, we have 1 x 2 x 3 = 6 as the total possible forms of
sympathetic coincidence, or, to speak in ordinary terms, there can be
six; and six only, possible forms of individualized being. These are
what Keely calls the six orders of atomic subdivision, or orders of
vibratory motion, and he names them as follows:
I. Molecular.
II. Inter-molecular.
III. Atomic.
IV. Inter-atomic.
V. Etheric.
VI. Inter-etheric.
In this last the forms of matter are arranged in the mathematical
sequence of the rapidity of the oscillations of their constituent
members; the proportion being proved by experiment to be as follows :
for the molecular orders :
1 : 3 : 9 : 27 : 81 : 243.
This arithmetical progression changes in the atomic orders to a
geometrical progression as follows :
3 : 9 : 81 : 6561 : 43046721, etc.
This same method of progression is believed to hold in all the
orders of vibrations above the molecular, and soon passes into
mathematical infinity.
Actually, however, all matter of which we are capable of
cognition through the medium of our senses is in one of three forms of
aggregation :
I. Molecular
II. Atomic
III. Etheric
in each of which the controlling mode of vibration is respectively,
I. The Enharmonic
II. The Harmonic
III. The Dominant
But it must be understood that each of these modes is a positive and
real constituent of every atom and molecule.
It will be seen that as every form of material aggregation is to
be considered as a `neutral centre of attraction,' where the vibratory
force of all three orders are held in `sympathetic coincidence,' that
is, in balanced activity or harmonized motion, and not by any means
cancelled or mutually destroyed, there is no diminution of force, but
only temporary suspension of its radiating or propulsive activity or
expression.
This is the foundation of Keely's doctrine of `latent force,' and
of the indefinite power which can be obtained by breaking up the
harmonious balance or equation of forces of every mode, which exists
in every `neutral centre,' that is to say in every mass of matter.
I view the vortex electrical field being similar to a standing wave. A Telsa coil adds energy to a standing wave which increases the amplitude of the wave. At some point depending on the dielectric quality of the field in which the standing wave finds itself an electrical current will ensue changing this potential energy field into an electrical current. (Telsa would take 10's of thousands of watts from conventional alternators running for upwards of two hours and convert this power into a standing wave.)
If the tpu creates a vortex electrical field it will also create a magnetic field whose flow potential lines are determined by the tpu current flow direction. The construct of a vortex electrical field will be accompanied by construct of a torroidal magnetic field. According to Amperes law an electric current will flow along any interface between magnetic fields of different directions and/or intensities. If the tpu creates a large standing electrical vortex field it's magnetic field will interface with the magnetic field of the Earth. Or in Giantkiller's multiple tpu configuration it will interface with a magnetic field of differing direction and or intensity. This should result in an electrical current. If the counter propogated magnetic fields are superimposed the electrical current will flow along the whole interface of the two fields and you've got yourself a directable electric current free of the constraints of conductors.
@GK
I call the 3 forces- dispersion/concentration/inertia as none/as one/ as I am
@GK, all
That is an interesting quote from Keely, however the terms he uses seem to me a bit obscure... by his words the Molecular is dominated by Dispersing/ Propulsive/ Positive vibration and the Atomic is dominated by Attractive/ Polarizing/ Negative vibrations.
What does Keely mean when he says 'Molecular' or 'Atomic'... since if he literally means molecules they cannot surely be constructed of mainly dissipative energy otherwise they would not be stable or hold any form. Does he use these terms to mean something other than there common usage or if not how do they relate? An atom or a molecule could potentially demonstrate some of either set of properties in my mind...
Could someone who understands his terminology try and explain this to me in a more understandable way?
A
I get 5 hours bench time this weekend. I am not going to add any more mechanical additions. I just want to turn this thing on!
I will list out any combinations I do.
These are all concerned with Keely's heterodyning.
The first one is to parallel connect each adjacent segment of each ring and fire in 3 chords. E, A, C. and other freqs
The second one is to wire up the segments of the rings in a spiral pattern and put in 3 chords.
I also want to sequence one freq in a pulse timer across the layers of segments.
Now here are the drive specs.
1: drive the trigger coils with a secondary coil resonance. 1 layer then the 3 layer CW with the 2 layer CCW.
2: drive the trigger coils with a schuman resonance with the secondary in resonance. This will take secondary coil modifications. Thats permissable.
Under step 1 there are alot of other combinations.
What I have seen through out is you drive the coils from the input side with a frequency combination to affect the target. The reverbratory effect on matter is what Hutchison and the Walls of Jericho showed us. But if you make the target something that responds back you can collect that power as in reverbratory feedback due to oscillatory heterodyning. I mention tidal waves, Bucket -o- vibes and Audiohenge here. The stun gun circuit is a one way path with no need of feedback from an external target. A TPU pushes against the environment and waits for a response before responding again. The TPU actually creates magnetic tidal waves.
--giantkiller. Looks the president had a safe trip. ;)
@sparks, all
There is a new and very interesting piece on free energy on the Divine Cosmos website which incorporates a lot of info on energy shells and similar structures on a small and galactic scale, it shows an illustration of the type of field that sparks is talking about, I would recommend reading the whole page... its cool and appears to link to Keely (and probably Russell too) in that it mentions densities of aether:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=372&Itemid=70
The above page links to the site of Dr Harold Aspden (http://www.energyscience.org.uk/), which is very good and among other things promotes the idea of energy shells being a method by which free energy might be produced, particularly on this page: http://www.aspden.org/index.html
Aspden has a solid physics background but is now in retirement and has reconsidered his classical physics education and encouragingly he is also an electrical engineer. (the more I read his ideas the more they grow on me, they seem very well reasoned).
Dr Aspden gave a brilliant talk on free energy in 2002 which is here, and relates to the aspects of Tesla's work as highlighted by Erfinder: http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm
It is worth reading his notes on the lecture linked at the bottom of that page, note III supports Tesla's superluminal transmission claim for his Magnifying Transmitter (the footnote of note II might be relevant to Leedskalnin):
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.htmlIt is interesting to note on the first of the above pages Aspden describes the aether as:
Quote from: Apsden link=http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm
Here I depict the vacuum as having a cubic structure, a state of order of the kind we see in crystals or in the magnetic domains of a ferromagnetic material. In each notional cubic cell there is an aether particle describing a circular orbit with all such particles keeping in step in a synchronous motion. They all have the same electrical polarity and are immersed in a continuum of uniform charge of opposite polarity and are attracted to their respective centres of those cubic cells, but are displaced from those centres to radii at which their mutual electrostatic energy avoids being negative. Therefore they must move in orbit to assure that their centrifugal force is in balance with the electrostatic force attracting them to the centres of those cubic cells. It all sounds very hypothetical, but I can assure you that this model of the aether holds the key to solving the prevailing mysteries of physics, and it is unquestionably correct.
Which is the same as the theory expressed in the Pyramid Book, of which I posted a diagram... I have attached a copy of Aspden's aether diagram...
He has some interesting theory tutorials on physics which support the aether and free energy ideas:
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/tu/lessons.htm
(Tutorial 10 discusses Tifft's discovery of Redshift shells as mentioned on Divine Cosmos:
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/tu/tu10.htm)
Note these sites validate Russell's diagram of energy shells that has been mentioned as showing a similarity to the Joe Cell... pieces are dropping into place all around us... this shell effect is clearly very important as it seems key to the physical universe on all scales... but has up till now remained undetected or ignored by mainstream science. It is of course also mirrored in Keely's diagram of matter as he saw it, spheres within spheres...
It is interesting that Aspden's works seems to support both the Tesla & Moray's LRC type (driven dampened harmonic) oscillators and the Joe Cell which appear to be two different methods for producing free energy... his work also links to Schauberger in that he mention tornados etc... that his work also links to the Pyramid Book is also encouraging...
A (anyone who is down about 2012 should download the free MP3 on the Divine Cosmos site, its excellent)
@acer,
so what ever happenedto, kosol ouch, and his sherical generator? sounds along the same lines, just wondering.
lol
sam
@Acerzw
Looks like an electrical vortex generator to me. ;D
@sparks, indeed its pretty cool and a closed loop version exists according to the site, it is the most TPU like invention I have seen yet. Dr Aspden's site is excellent and for me is better than any previous site I have seen so far in terms of explaining the mechanism by which free energy is possible... I think it makes more sense than Tom Bearden's ideas... I think his explanation of capacitors picking up extra energy could apply to Bedini's batteries in some way...
It would be interesting if someone could work out how Aspden's theories apply to the TPU, it may well have clues as to the operating mechanism and the field configuration...
for instance I particularly like this quote from his Berlin Lecture notes:
I can quote a paragraph from Obolensky's February letter that seems to endorse my speculation. It reads:
"I was the first to employ matched coaxial cable time delays and phase matched current sensors to demonstrate the existence of electromagnetic (faster than light) shock waves. This substantiated Tesla's magnifying transmitter patent application's superluminal claim. His technique to extract fuelless coherent-energy, from the incoherent-heat of the ambient medium, was suggested but not proven back in 1988. This, notwithstanding the numerous superluminal shock wave experiments that revealed an approximate doubling of the remote receiver's integrated-current output compared to a simultaneous measurement of the local transmitter's integrated-current input. To my knowledge, electronic research has still not investigated electromagnetic shock waves by using equal-time-delay, simultaneous measurements, to circumvent the Einstein clock problem."
That reference to the electric charge output from a pulse-excited coaxial transmission line being double the charge input has attracted my attention. It implies an energy gain which Obolensky, in the next paragraph of his letter attributes to 'the incoherent heat in our planet's atmosphere' as the source. However, my opinion, as is evident from my BERLIN LECTURE is that the aether is the energy source and I can but point out that a voltage pulse travelling along a coaxial cable is the sequential charging and discharging of a capacitative component which has a conductor as central electrode and an earthed electrode formed by a concentric conducting sleeve, that is a concentric cylindrical electrode capacitor in which one can develop aether spin.
Accordingly, I can but regard what Obolensky describes as supporting this second point of view and endorsing my conductive aether notion based on those virtual muons.
There is a lot of promise in Dr Aspden's ideas as he appears to have predicted some things which were later verified or discovered independently... I am impressed that he appears to have explained many interesting effects that have not been accounted for by conventional physics, yet he has managed to do it within a mathematical physics framework which is sane and well grounded in reality... :) I am not saying his ideas are 100% right just the best and most logical I have seen so far...
A
"As best demonstrated by Nature in the case of the aerofoil maple-seed, today's propeller is a pressure-screw and therefore a braking screw, whose purpose is to allow the heavy maple-seed to fall parachute-like slowly towards the ground and to be carried away sideways by the wind in the process. No bird has such a whirling thing on its head, nor a fish on its tail. Only man made use of this natural brake-screw for forward propulsion. As the propeller rotates, so does the resistance rise by the square of the rotational velocity. This is also a sign that this supposed propulsive device is unnaturally constructed and therefore out of place."
? Viktor Schauberger, Implosion Magazine, No. 112, p. 52.
Implosion magazine? What the? I just peed my pants!>!>!>!!>
This has Sooooo many of our references in it, it is pathetic.
http://www.rhfweb.com/schauberger.html (http://www.rhfweb.com/schauberger.html)
And this quote
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" They called me deranged. I hope that they are right. It is of no greater import if another fool wanders this earth But if I am right and the science is wrong, then may the Lord God have mercy on mankind." Viktor Schauberger.
Oh yeah.
And they marched around the walls of Jericho.
The implosion/vortex squeezes.
Looks like you only have to do one thing.
You can use air, water, sound, magnetics. What about RE? These substances can also be heterodyned also. The macrogalatic and the microatomic all spin too! Oooohweeee. Been there, done that and I am going back in.
Ya know now that I think of it. Remember the NASA alien videos? Those ships produced spinning fields of bluish purple arcs. A rotational field stun gun? Could it be that easy? Could the heterodyned RE create a pressure zone that is a thick walled magnetic toroid? And that acts like mercury on glass? Frictionless travel? You better check out the NASA video. These examples are there.
--giantkiller. Git 'er spinnin'! ;)
This is a website on Alexis Guy Obolensky who Dr Aspden who quotes regarding the coax experiments in his Berlin Lecture notes:
http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~malovic/muse/obolensky.html
A
Quote from: giantkiller on February 02, 2008, 01:49:15 PM
Remember the NASA alien videos? Those ships produced spinning fields of bluish purple arcs. A rotational field stun gun? Could it be that easy?
Your words remind me of this bit on the Divine Cosmos page I linked to earlier, a picture from the article attached:
ROSCHIN AND GODIN DISCOVER THE KEY TO GALACTIC ENERGY FIELDS
Searl?s anti-gravity device was duplicated by two Russians, Godin & Roschin: (http://www.americanantigravity.com/godinroschin.html).
They combined existing magnets together and noticed a gravitational reduction in the lab, under very controlled conditions.
"Domain walls " surrounded the device once the machine was turned on. They could be measured by their strong magnetic fields and a corresponding drop in temperature. These walls formed spheres within spheres surrounding the device itself ? much like the layers of an onion.
Most of these spheres could not be seen, but a donut-shaped pink plasma was observed surrounding the device itself when it was running.A
@gk, and all,
please note, all of joshua's troop's that marched, were circumcised before the march! ouch! just a point of history. maybe we have to see a different "type " of setting apart, today, to see the same type affect. i, would certainly look at the setting aside of conventional science as such. certainly, it is at least a cutting off of of what what we have learned! keep up the good work and thanks for bearing with my ramblings, from time to time.
lol
sam
ps: that was thirteen days of marching after this! ouch! and you wonder where friday the 13th myths got started!
Interesting.
@Acerzw,
David Hamel reported seeing a green field around his Steel drum test with 3 layers of rotating magnetic discs. It lifted off, went through his barn into the night sky and was never seen again.
There is a green layer in that picture you posted.
--giantkiller.
There appears to be a converging zeitgeist around such toroidal topologies.
I just wanted to let you all know about the coil element I am designing, in case you haven't already seen it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4009.msg73880.html#msg73880 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4009.msg73880.html#msg73880)
I think we're on to something here.
@GK
I always think of a coronal discharge as showing that energy is being wasted or excess produced, it is interesting that the TPU does not exhibit a corona...
A
Hi all...some other things from the Tesla article you should keep in mind.
Tesla
I mean that you have to have in the circuit, inertia. You have to have a large self-inductance in order that you may accomplish two things: First, a comparatively low frequency, which will reduce the radiation of the electromagnetic waves to a comparatively small value, and second, a great resonant effect. That is not possible in an antenna, for instance, of large capacity and small self-inductance. A large capacity and small self-inductance is the poorest kind of circuit which can be constructed; it gives a very small resonant effect. That was the reason why in my experiments in Colorado the energies were 1,000 times greater than in the present antennae.
Counsel
You say the energy was 1,000 times greater. Do you mean that the voltage was increased, or the current, or both?
Tesla
Yes [both]. To be more explicit, I take a very large self-inductance and a comparatively small capacity, which I have constructed in a certain way so that the electricity cannot leak out. I thus obtain a low frequency; but, as you know, the electromagnetic radiation is proportionate to the square root of the capacity divided by the self-induction. I do not permit the energy to go out; I accumulate in that circuit a tremendous energy. When the high potential is attained, if I want to give off electromagnetic waves, I do so, but I prefer to reduce those waves in quantity and pass a current into the earth, because electromagnetic wave energy is not recoverable while that [earth] current is entirely recoverable, being the energy stored in an elastic system.
Counsel
What elastic system do you refer to?
Tesla
I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate.
Counsel
Let's see if I understand this correctly. If you have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?
Tesla
Absolutely wasted. From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth.
Scotty
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Tesla
I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate.
It sounds like he's talking about a high Q inductor.
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The Quality factor or Q of a circuit. It is called the FIGURE OF MERIT of the inductor.
The Q of the inductor is therefore equal to the ratio of the inductive reactants to the effective resistance in series with it, and it approaches a high value as R approaches a low value. Thus, the more efficient the inductor, the lower the losses in it and the higher the Q.
http://books.google.com/books?id=X80QDoJ32oUC&pg=PA197&dq=q+quality+inductor&sig=MJWScTnCzVA-EVZDZDT-wnxBRa4#PPA197,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=X80QDoJ32oUC&pg=PA197&dq=q+quality+inductor&sig=MJWScTnCzVA-EVZDZDT-wnxBRa4#PPA197,M1)
Tesla was obviously talking about creating Earth bound standing waves. By using low frequency this standing wave could cover alot of territory.. The rf flash over from such a wave would form an electrcial current in the ground which could be collected at the wave generator scource and be recoupled into the standing wave. A receiver for this power need only be in the field of propogation of the standing wave to pickup on this current flow. If the rf flash was controlled by hetrodyning a highfrequency harmonic of the standing wave in at the factory then a receiver could be constructed to be resonate at this higher frequency therefore not needing the size capacitance and inductance required to be resonate with the low frequency carrier wave. This would be the opposite of a modern day variable frequency drive used for driving electric motors where an extremely low frequency electrical current is created by amplitude modulation of a high frequency carrier wave.
Perhaps Tesla discovered that when he created a standing wave at a low frequency in the ground it became resonant with a low frequency wave already traveling from the core of the Earth towards the surface. Being the genious he was he realized that this was free energy. Being the poor politician he was he went to the wrong people for funding and the tower came tumbling down.
A tpu needs not be resonant at any given frequency. It's potential energy is stored in spin velocity of the field. Potential energy waves or quonta packets or photons whatever add to the spin velocity of the field just as they theoretically add to the spin velocity of electrons. Conversion of this field spin velocity to electrical current takes place in the collector windings of the tpu. Therefore the tpu first initiates an electrical hurricane so to speak and then converts inflow of potential energy into this low pressure field
into an electrical wind (current).
Quote from: acerzw on February 03, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
@GK
I always think of a coronal discharge as showing that energy is being wasted or excess produced, it is interesting that the TPU does not exhibit a corona...
A
Fire it with a stun gun and see the dartlets that Tesla mentioned. 8)
Small scale test but resultant. Maybe the RE creates a pressure field that we don't have experience with yet.
I know a P.H.D. who was consulted by the Dept. of Defense for acknowledgement on the placement of Norad where it is today. He told them it was not geophysically stable. The U.S. government put the satellite tracking base there anyway. Sounds like they knew what Tesla knew. It has got something to do with lightning.
--giantkiller. There are things others know that do and don't apply to our adventure here.
@ Sparks..
Your on the right track
Read the colorado springs expermints.. marco might have posted them
Anyways think of a ground based carrier wave thats always there and waiting for you yes i mean you to modulate it..
@GK .. Im expecting liquefied rock soon ;)
Quote from: Localjoe on February 03, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
@GK .. Im expecting liquefied rock soon ;)
The Frank Polifka turbine / 'Tornado in a can' is patented. Basically it is jets of air all pointed in a counterclockwise flow. Each jet creates white noise. All 3 heterodyne into very high frequency vortex. The sound, frequency, and material all work in unison to pulverise. You build one of these and head down to the dump and reduce the acreage down to 1/10 the area. You will get noticed and get a contract. Hows that for free money?
--giantkiller. Patent withstanding? I don't think so. Schauberger already did this and Keely proved what sound can do.
@Gk..
I didn't mean me.. You've been making such progress lately i was expecting you to come back from your lab time this weekend and say .. alright guys i accidentally got playing and well the whole parts drawer on the bench accidentally melted. When you first started mentioning your bgf i directly referred to a scheme to bombard matter and with a scalar freq sweep in order to find its first shell freq.
So ya never know it could have happend if you were excited that day ::) You've got all your ducks in a row :)
Joe
So on a 3 segment ring we use dc to get the field to the center and use ac on top to affect the center intersection of the 3 fields for heterodyning to create the vortex.
I am still putting the larger things together to not only drive but interject control across all the layers and segments of the 3 coils.
--giantkiller. DC with a little AC hash on top. 8)
So here is the big bomb.
Over ten years ago I saw the David Hamel blueprint of the 3 layers of spinning magnets. I knew the mechanics would present problems and I wanted to produce the same 3 layer spinning effect using strictly magnetic fields. The BFG will do this. The heterodyning will produce very fast or Earth resonant fields. I can control this any way I need to.
The generation sources placed on the horizontal plane will produce heterodyning that spins horizontally. Three frequencies placed one on top of each will heterodyne but I can not see how that field will show up or what it will do. The Hamel steel drum model shot off into space. That was 3 spinning layers.
Now it is quite simple to dispell Hamel's drum. But no one has yet to disregard 3 coils on top of each other. :o
So these next steps will mean very much to me and this community. I am using an aluminum casing eventually. The magnetic field of Hamel's steel drum container still intrigues me. ???
Just the outcome of building the BFG2K8 and seeing it stand up (thanks Acerzw) rocked my thinking.
So I have the tip41b-s in place. Used an XR2206 channel sine wave and drove one secondary coil to 1 mhz of a 2volt DC bias with a 200mv sine on top of that.
The only outcome I was concerned with was getting the waveform and connecting the 3 stages. I need to raise the DC voltage then drive 2 more secondary segments.
The resonant frequency of the secondaries is 36mhz. From this I will compute out the 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, 1/8, or 1/9s combinatorial frequencies if need be.
I have limited time on the bench these days so I will push what I can. But now that things are running I can run tests expediously.
--giantkiller.
@GK
It rings bells in my head that Hamel's device as you describe it is very similar to Searl's which also has three sets of magnets/rollers, thought they were arranged inside of each other rather than horizontally... so 3 intersecting toroidal fields is definitely significant, either horizontal or vertical. It is also interesting that Searl's device was started with a slight push from the operator and then it became self sustaining and accelerated until the device flew... so free energy and AG in the one device.
Since Searl's device was hand started, it shows a low frequency was enough to begin the effect, which I find incredibly interesting. It is reasonable to suppose that the loss of gravity and the production of extra energy are linked... if we knew how gravity really worked we might be able to explain it... I feel that if I was able to understand Dr Aspdens theories in more detail the link might be found there... ???
You know when you think about it the Joe Cell has all these properties too... there must be intersecting fields from the cells internal divisions. Also note that the original inventor reported that the device levitated on a number of occasions. So we have three verified accounts of the phenomenon.... you know that is more than is required to invent and publicise and new physics theory in a peer reviewed journal... such as happened with the UnParticle which is the latest gravy train/band wagon of conventional physicists! 8)
I get the impression that most TPU replications up to now, even with three layers have only been actively driving 2 layers, so perhaps the answer is to drive the other layer as well and take the power off somewhere else... but then we already knew that didn't we. :-\
A (hey, my smileys form half a hyperbolic wave inverted... sad huh, but it could represent Searl's power graph... aaaah)
Quote from: giantkiller on February 04, 2008, 11:51:59 AM
So here is the big bomb.
Over ten years ago I saw the David Hamel blueprint of the 3 layers of spinning magnets. I knew the mechanics would present problems and I wanted to produce the same 3 layer spinning effect using strictly magnetic fields. The BFG will do this. The heterodyning will produce very fast or Earth resonant fields. I can control this any way I need to.
The generation sources placed on the horizontal plane will produce heterodyning that spins horizontally. Three frequencies placed one on top of each will heterodyne but I can not see how that field will show up or what it will do. The Hamel steel drum model shot off into space. That was 3 spinning layers.
Now it is quite simple to dispell Hamel's drum. But no one has yet to disregard 3 coils on top of each other. :o
So these next steps will mean very much to me and this community. I am using an aluminum casing eventually. The magnetic field of Hamel's steel drum container still intrigues me. ???
Just the outcome of building the BFG2K8 and seeing it stand up (thanks Acerzw) rocked my thinking.
So I have the tip41b-s in place. Used an XR2206 channel sine wave and drove one secondary coil to 1 mhz of a 2volt DC bias with a 200mv sine on top of that.
The only outcome I was concerned with was getting the waveform and connecting the 3 stages. I need to raise the DC voltage then drive 2 more secondary segments.
The resonant frequency of the secondaries is 36mhz. From this I will compute out the 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, 1/8, or 1/9s combinatorial frequencies if need be.
I have limited time on the bench these days so I will push what I can. But now that things are running I can run tests expediously.
--giantkiller.
When you are satisfied with what you have, perhaps you could try
Cutting the secondaries at varied lengths giving them slightly off frequencies to control your secondary beat frequencies produced
Then rewind the primaries so that they are harmonically related to the secondaries (that is their physical stature)
With this you would have almost all parts resonating at their maximum potential, you could crush all who oppose you, or yourself, whichever comes first.
Oh! and here is a cool equation I stumbled onto, (maybe you already have it)
M = 1 / (1 - (Ff / Fn))^2
M= magnification factor
Ff = forced frequency of oscillatory system, or the input fequency
Fn = the natural resonant frequency of the system.
With this you can find out exactly what your magnification will be at different forced frequencies.
Man I wish I could do this for a living, job offers anybody? lol.
@Acerzw, yes. There were statements made on the last 2 OU servers last year that verify what you have stated. Over and Over again. And on this OU instance there are numerous links to very dedicated, incredibly intellegant and open-minded people who have proven all the small steps. I but stand on their shoulders and nothing else.
I know my current strides work. I have been gathering up operational blocks to build with. The BFG driven with the xr2206 chips. The xr2206s controlled by DACs from a microprocessor. The microprocessor interfaced with a laptop and a VB interface for frequency control. The xr2206s connected to 3 adc826 audio amplifiers. The input frequencies divided down using Opamps. The adc826 outputs connected to the Bucket -o- Vibes for audio feedback. I need to take the Bucket -o- vibes bottom out for air flow. The xr2206s have PLL capability that I will incorporate for auto-phased control based upon feedback from magnetic sensors around the BFG. A 3d graphic display then will be implemented for visual feedback. Alot of steps and alot of work. But I have started testing during hookups. Both will increase.
Why? A complete control console. Hamel had no control and his devices drew the wrong attention by effecting the belongings of the wrong people. >:(
Kind of answers the use of an aluminum tube instead of a steeel drum, eh...
--giantkiller. I am dead serious.
So here is one test I will do in the beginning on 1 layer.
a slightly different frequency per segment with a slight difference in the DC levels.
I will vary the frequency and the DC levels per segment. Each segment will be fired in a counterclockwise direction.
I will check for air flow and put a testtube of salt water in the middle to see any variances.
@Armagdn03,
I will definately use this info. Thanks.
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When you are satisfied with what you have, perhaps you could try
Cutting the secondaries at varied lengths giving them slightly off frequencies to control your secondary beat frequencies produced
Then rewind the primaries so that they are harmonically related to the secondaries (that is their physical stature)
With this you would have almost all parts resonating at their maximum potential, you could crush all who oppose you, or yourself, whichever comes first.
Oh! and here is a cool equation I stumbled onto, (maybe you already have it)
M = 1 / (1 - (Ff / Fn))^2
M= magnification factor
Ff = forced frequency of oscillatory system, or the input fequency
Fn = the natural resonant frequency of the system.
With this you can find out exactly what your magnification will be at different forced frequencies.
--giantkiller. Heading towards a vortex.
So this is where I am heading...
Interestingly enough the Rodin patterns show up.
Yes, I know this only a graphic but the effects still stand.
--giantkiller.
what graphics program do you use?
that is a pretty incredible rendering....
And then we couple two layers atop each other. Each is heterodyning in different directions so the vortex of each becomes an accumulative vortex that is made up of correctly aligned flux. This coupling cross section is controlled by altering the distance of the involved layers. And we can have different speeds for each layer or ring. 8)
@Armagdn03,
Moray and Povray. Been at for 10 years with Autocad background since version 1.
--giantkiller. The answers abound everywhere in nature. There really is nothing new under the sun.
If you think of a magnetic field as a flowing force not just a static construct then electrical phenomenon starts to make alot more sense. Dispersion force is like a river always seeking to make a lake out of the Universe. When energy occurs the dispersion force is caused to react. Magnetism is this dispersion force responding to a change in matter. Since energy is everywhere (except where time stands still like there is such a place) there are constant magnetic field fluctuations. When energy occurs so as to create time and dimension that is very similar, the dispersion force reaction becomes organized into currents which seem to be independent of time or become what we call a magnetic field. It appears static only because dispersion force is flowing the same way at different time. If an electrical current is caused to flow so that very little change in time or dimension arise, as in a vortex electrical current, the dispersion flow becomes very polarized. Now if this flow meets up with flow that is slower or in the opposing direction then there arises eddy currents and vortex type flow at the magnetic flow interface. A vortex magnetic flow will induce energy as it stresses the equilibrium of matter. (Matter being but a state of equilibrium between two opposing forces.) It will convert matter into energy. It will convert atoms of a conductor at one state of matter into energy and another form of matter. As the tpu magnetic field encounters all sorts of magnetic flows of varying current levels and directions; the magnetic vortices created by the interaction of the magnetic flows with the tpu magnetic field flow will create electrical currents. These currents can be in great excess of the tpu vortex driver current. Their excess driven by the currents that created the magnetic flows the tpu field encounters. The ability of the tpu to develop an electrical vortex current magnetically uncoupled from it's driver electrical supply allows for an extremely high current velocity. Current velocity without high voltage input. This allows for electrical currents driven by small charge displacement to be integrated in the tpu vortex current. And away she goes.
The whirling cloud of electrons, influenced by the high voltage and the strong magnetic field, form a rotating pattern that resembles the spokes in a spinning wheel, as shown in Figure 4 . The interaction of this rotating space-charge wheel with the configuration of the surface of the anode produces an alternating current flow in the resonant cavities of the anode. This is explained as follows. As a "spoke" of electrons approaches an anode vane (or the segment between the two cavities), it induces a positive charge in that segment. As the electrons pass, the positive charge diminishes in the first segment while another positive charge is being induced in the next segment. Current is induced because the physical structure of the anode forms the equivalent of a series of high-Q resonant inductive-capacitive (LC) circuits. The effect of the strapping of alternate segments is to connect the LC circuits in parallel.
I Propose using a KLYSTRON from the 60's as a warp core- Note this object is about 6 feet tall and housed in the coolest large coils you ever did see. note a pully is needed to lift this sob
That is all
Sorry gk.. long night
Quote from: Localjoe on February 07, 2008, 10:02:42 PM
Sorry gk.. long night
There are alot more readers than posters who need to see it all.
And thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for to turn this side of the moon into a huge billboard for multilanguage CNN broadcasts. 8)
The one pixel big screen tv idea failed. :-[
--giantkiller. Long nights are a life style as long as geeks rule.
The MAGNETIC FIELD is provided by strong permanent magnets or toroidal fields,
which are mounted around the magnetron , or along the rails or inside the feedback
so that the magnetic field is parallel with the axis of the cathode or the center aligned trigger coil or the heterodyning in the center?.
Flybacks, magnetrons, Tesla coils, runaway TPUs, GK4, ECDs, BFG2k8 all sound the same when you look at the field alignments, frequencies, resonance, and heterodyning.
--giantkiller. Its all good.
Marvel as the scores of OU machines gradually integrate into one working principle!
what we are looking for is not OU, but the nature of electricity. Find that, and you can have it all!
@gk
Great diagram. It shows a torsional magnetic field component between fields of opposing flows. Pretty much resembles the dynamics that produce sunspots. Also shows how power can be stored, amplified, and released in a magnetic circuit.
I also included some pictures developed by JL Naudin back in 1999. He was working with magnetic vortices and Rodin coils. Trying to create magnetic vortices that would be perpectual, drawing from magnetic energy potential of the aether.
All of this information that I have mentally accumulated over my lifetime is racking my mind. These truly are mind blowing times we live in.
--giantkiller. Not enough time..
@ giantkiller
Do you mean that you also feel that the universe is speeding up and there is not enough time to take it all in.
Too much to learn, and seemingly, not enough time.
Yesterday I did some research on 'Technical Remote Viewing'
Some of the worlds best TRV practitioners seem to agree that the Earth will be affected by Large Solar Flares, within the next 10 years.
What if somebody were to TRV the TPU?
It has been done with the Bedini SG.
@bourne
Cool... so what was the result of the TRV on the SSG? Not promising (I suspect) ?
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@Gk
i posted this in tesla resonance but you need it too .. I love when more connections are made.. church in england leads to ancient song through cymatics ;D.. supports a432.. ah but more.. second document i find sheds light on somethig you should be interestin in for your freq testing.. finally a rhyme and reason to the phi spiral
The ratios of phi and the square
root of 2 are also responsible for the difference between the various tones in
the Octave, when measured as values of vibration in cycles per second. You
can take one note in the Octave and compare it to the note next to it, and the
two notes will always relate by one of these simple ?spiraling? ratios.
Therefore, we can now see that even though it seems strange at first, every
sound truly has a three-dimensional, geometric component. The same would
be true for every color.
heres the stuff http://www.foar.net/2007/05/rosslyn_chapel_motet_1.html (http://www.foar.net/2007/05/rosslyn_chapel_motet_1.html) here's the clincher
3. Thomas and Stuart used this metal plate to recreate the ancient method of making notes. The plate is vibrated and sand poured on until it forms a particular pattern - indicating the correct pitch. The patterns match those carved into the arches of Rosslyn Chapel.
Basically we have calculated the frequencies of the 3 notes that the stave angel is pointing out and it amounts to this;
At (ancient tunings)
A = 432
B = 488
C = 512
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1,432
How they did this
HOW THEY DID IT..
1 Carved angels and blocks above their head in arches of chapel baffled Thomas until he realised this one was holding a musical stave - and that the blocks signified notes.
2 Using this specially enhanced photo, Thomas and Stuart worked out that the carvings above the angel represent A, B and C.
3 Thomas and Stuart used this metal plate to recreate the ancient method of making notes. The plate is vibrated and sand poured on until it forms a particular pattern - indicating the correct pitch. The patterns match those carved into the arches of Rosslyn Chapel.
my take-
Something that should not be passed over is this.. A432 was ingraved in rock everywhere for a reason.. we will never get the results we want using the a440 scale of modern. Even tho our major chords sound kind of pretty cause weve herd them taht way our whole lives .. theres many more overtones that become presesent when 432 is used.. find an old vesion of the Lycramosa i think its mozart and you'll get chills from the one with the choir in a 432 yet the newer versions when they change the pitch to 440 slandered sounds nice and eire but no chills...
EDIT: More info sepearte source
So, Dr. Jenny?s research puts the final word in on the importance of the
geometric shapes in the sphere, in case we doubted their relation to the
Octaves of color (i.e. visible light) and sound. The ratios of phi and the square
root of 2 are also responsible for the difference between the various tones in
the Octave, when measured as values of vibration in cycles per second. You
can take one note in the Octave and compare it to the note next to it, and the
two notes will always relate by one of these simple ?spiraling? ratios.
Therefore, we can now see that even though it seems strange at first, every
sound truly has a three-dimensional, geometric component. The same would
be true for every color. Some people, including this author, have been able to
perceive this connection automatically in mystical states of consciousness,
without necessarily understanding the vision. Many people who have had
these visions send us email with great relief that they have finally understood
why they were seeing such formations in their mind?s eye
This was taken from a 6 meg pdf here it is http://www.thesonsofthelawofone.com/Resources/Shift%20Of%20The%20Ages%20by%20David%20.pdf (http://www.thesonsofthelawofone.com/Resources/Shift%20Of%20The%20Ages%20by%20David%20.pdf) ;D
Joe
@ acerzw
The two results 'revealed' by TRVing J Bedinis Monster SSG in the past few days are;
1; Magnet configuration. Super Super pole. Each magnet position comprising of 2 magnets with norths pushed together and souths facing axle/outwards. The scaler north that squirts out the sides combines with its neighbours field to trigger the coil (very fast 'on'). The 'real' south pole then assists the collapsing field of the coil (very fast 'off'). Sharper gradients! Sound familiar?
2; Earth rod connected to the Positive of the charging battery via a diode (battery draws aether from the Earth)
Very annoyingly, all my gear is packed away at the moment (moving house), so I can't try these suggestions out myself. I am itching to start again though.
I can tell your a tiny bit sceptical ;) who wouldn't be?
But...
From what I have read about TRVing, (more than just Internet pages)
ANYONE
can learn how to do it! ;D
It takes a lot of practice but think about the potential. No more secrets. Time and space no longer a constraint.
You have one guess as to what I am going to start learning very soon?
@Localjoe,
This is way cool. I love a good cipher. You had posted the 2 scales before. This is one of those sets I believe.
And straight out of the Bible states: And the stones will cry out. What is there is a huge amount of ciphers all over the world that have been protected by those of faith as Holy remnants. Wouldn't that be a kicker. Alot of artifacts have shown this over th elast couple decades.
@Bourne,
I had made a 3 segment pcv ring with just this magnet configuration. The heterodyned output is very high speed in the gigahertz and terahertz.It might be a little different that the incorporation with the Bedini setup. I also had a coil that I dismantled. Aargh!! I have a gathering up the vids from before to post on youtube.
--giantkiller. Feed the need. 8)
Doublepostdeleted.
@ giantkiller
The magnets in the Bedini rotor are the 'finger' that flicks the switch. There are circuits that use 555 ic's to do the switching, but you can't extract torque from a chip! ;D
Do transistors that switch in the terahertz range exist yet?
Could you switch a transistor and charge a coil with your heterodyne'd output?
What would happen to a lead acid battery if it was pulse charged at this speed?
I'll go and get my goggles! ;D
8) Ready!
The ss devices don't but the heterodyned output does no matter what the devices are. That is what Keely was proving.
I'll restate this: The Bose/Bolt heterodyning, the Bucket -o- vibes, the IS Audiohenge all produce audio heterodyning. Each step here went further into heterodyne focusing. The Bose/Bolt expressed outward from the single sound source made of 3 channel audio. The bucket -o- vibes expressed inward focus from the 3 sound sources. This produced the controllable rotation. The Audiohenge then expressed 3 centrally focused sound sources in a larger model. Again, inherent rotational controllability. But these were all to show the possibilties in audio. The next step I am taking is to apply this to 9 magnetic fields in the rings. We all know there are many different ways to make copper snap and sing. I am involved in one because I believe this one does it all.
--giantkiller. You shake it, you break it! Any way you want it!
@GK
Do you have like a list of snappy things to put at the end of your posts? Lol.
@ armagdn03
He said it was residual terrets from the wifes anniversary present. Still the funniest story ive heard in a while. ;) -Quote "And the cat was just sitting there looking at me like do it stupid just do it"
@Localjoe
Nice find on the phi and music stuff...
@bourne
That magnet configuration is the one Erfinder used in his tutorial machine... I assume that is what you were referring to...
This next paragraph is pretty heavy stuff, so skip it if you are not interested in 2012 and time travel etc!
I agree about time and space.... space time and time space.... some hairy stuff about this on the Project Camelot website. They have several interviews with Dan Burisch who maintains that the US government developed wormhole technology and a looking glass (reverse engineered from ET tech) that enabled them to view possible futures by looking around the curve of spacetime into timespace much as in the film Paycheck. He says they stopped using the devices and stargates because they were told by time travelers from 52 thousand years in the future that their history showed that the devices were switched on in 2012 and caused a major problem due to energy being funneled through them, resulting in terrible consequences! He also states that these time travelers while looking somewhat alien were the survivors from that very disaster... and it gets weirder... apparently there are also travelers from 42 thousand years who are less enlightened... who are ancestors of the 52 thousand year future dudes... and purposely caused the 2012 accident to justify their timeline existence... He also states that the atomic testing before Roswell caused a temporal rift/paradox which allowed these future people to enter our reality and that the rift resulted in the Mars we see actual being an overlay from the future timelines.... which means that the Mars ruins are whats left of the 52 year old future civilisation!
The underground bases are apparently shelter since, if the ascension lore is to be believed, all those who are on the 'service to self' path rather than the path of 'service to others' will not ascend in 2012 to the next dimension and will be left on an Earth which cleanses itself, after most of its population has ascended, by reshaping its surface. So those in the know, who are on the negative path, dig deep and often in order prepare... and I suspect that all those train cars with shackles that they have been building is so they can enslave as many as possible of the other negative survivors in order to use them as a work force... supposedly the surface dwellers become the 'Nordic' race who and the underground dweller become what we would call the 'Greys' or J-Rod's (who become both the 42 and 52 year future time travelers)... they build a base on the moon then mars... ho hum...
Interestingly it is said that the looking glass devices cannot see past 2012.... and that people who traveled to that point via the stargates felt a state of bliss and all the equipment monitoring them could not register anything while there were there...
Interestingly if you have read about the MIB you will know that they are generally very odd, they appear out of place, dress in out of fashion clothes, drive pristine yet very old cars, speak funny, waddle/shuffle slowly, have very pale skin, often appear to lose/misunderstand things etc... well he says that they are humans from the future (about 3ft due to genetic degeneration), which the government has been trying to help due to the fact their DNA is degrading (hence abductions to obtain genetic material/samples to work on) and that they sometimes come into our timeline wearing a hollowed out dead human as a disguise (with some bio-mechanical augmentation) but they get lost in the residual memories of the human tissue and so often lose track of their mission. Creepy, but disturbingly the only explanation which I have heard so far that matches all the facts (read the Mothmen Prophecies, it based on a true event and nothing like the film which is crap and contains many, very telling, MIB encounters). There have been several instance of MIB vehicles seen driving into ufo's...
Very Very Weird Stuff.... but no matter how bizarre it seems his story hangs together and seems plausible to me (yeah, I know its mad).... my gut tells me it is not too far from the truth... laugh if you want, but watch his videos and make your own judgment! Oh and most of it is supported by the testimony of another witness who has been interviewed on the Divine Cosmos website... ho hum
A (I don't have a cat to look at me in that way, perhaps I need one)
@ acerzw
I'm afraid I cannot find 'erfinders tutorial machine' anywhere to make a comparison. do you have a link?
You are correct, that paragraph is pretty heavy. I would add the other 4 are right up there with it!
@ giantkiller
Your progress update is very inspiring !
May you have the same luck with coils as you have had with audio. Looking forward to your results. (If my TRV course goes well I will let you know how you get on ;D)
Localjoe is right. The funniest story Anyone has heard for a while. Tell me? was the self induced pain proportional to the amount of laughter induced in to the world?
Cats always know!
QuoteMoray and Povray. Been at for 10 years with Autocad background since version 1.
Povray is also my old friend. Here's a short clip I just whipped up, approximately on topic. 8)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8711002588473203448&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8711002588473203448&hl=en)
Quote from: bourne on February 14, 2008, 06:14:29 PM
@ giantkiller
Your progress update is very inspiring !
May you have the same luck with coils as you have had with audio. Looking forward to your results. (If my TRV course goes well I will let you know how you get on ;D)
I have no doubt about this.
I just realized something about all the information posted concering the current in a wire going 2 ways and the flow is faster on the outside.
Here it is and RFC as always: If we are heterodyning 2 frequencies each in a parallel copper path of a parallel low inductive setup / 2 wire. The freqs are traveling opposite directions. The heterodyne product is so fast that the copper looks reflective like aluminium. This new field just skips across it. The copper is too slow to absorb or conduct. Where does the energy go? Radiant. Now how is it caught then slowed down? That will give us OU. But if the RE is not caught but funneled we can produce external pulses. Because if the freqencies are too slow and can be absorbed we have a standard transformer with inductive action.
I reference the exploding pop can when the power injected is too much for the receiving material. I reference HHO when the power injected is too much for the receiving material. I reference any EMP device for the same results.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: bourne on February 14, 2008, 06:14:29 PM
@ acerzw
I'm afraid I cannot find 'erfinders tutorial machine' anywhere to make a comparison. do you have a link?
You are correct, that paragraph is pretty heavy. I would add the other 4 are right up there with it!
@bourne
I reposted a PDF of Erfinder's posts, which someone else compiled and posted before, here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg67659.html#msg67659
I would also recommend looking at his post here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg67864.html#msg67864
You are correct about the other 4 paragraphs being heavy too, I was only intending on writing one but it kind of grew as often happens with my posts :o
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@GK
The tpu running as a current inducer isn't a bad thing.
Don't forget that you are changing the magnetic field in the collector winding at high frequency. You can take a wire and spin it through a magfield at 3600times a minute on an ac power plant and get x number of amps out. Now if you change the magnetic field around the same wire at 3600 times a second you get 60x. If the input signal is squared-up the magnetic field change is even faster, like you just brought the rpm of the ac power plant up to 10times it's rpm. So10x times 60 is 600x. Now take a look at the winding experiencing the magnetic field change. The more copper atoms which experience the magnetic field change the better. Pounds of wire is important. So a 1horsepower input to the ac plant can yield the equivalent of 600horsepower inputting to a tpu ring or a Tesla standing wave plant.
Farady and Tesla were on the right track but somewhere in the shuffle to electrify the world further research into the induction generator fell by the wayside. We settled for a 60% efficient machine instead of a 600% efficient machine.
I just got ahold of a 0-10k 300watt inverter. It was used as the primary power supply for an ozone generator operating at 20,000 volts. I am going to drive a single primary winding wrapped around a collector coil and boost the voltage from the coil with an lc circuit. Be looking for excess output. No wave hetrodyning, just broadcasting kilocycles into a secondary.
Just a slightly OT question:
Can one heterodyne magnetic fields? Imagine I have a (transformer-)core with two driven resonating coils. The frequencies of these resonating coils differ 50HZ (or 60Hz depending on your grid freq.). If I wind a third coil around the core, would a 50Hz (60Hz) signal be induced?
@marcel
.. find the opening graphic for this thread it might help. ???
Quote from: M@rcel on February 16, 2008, 06:41:28 AM
Just a slightly OT question:
Can one heterodyne magnetic fields? Imagine I have a (transformer-)core with two driven resonating coils. The frequencies of these resonating coils differ 50HZ (or 60Hz depending on your grid freq.). If I wind a third coil around the core, would a 50Hz (60Hz) signal be induced?
I refer you to John Hutchison's demonstrations.
The effect shows up when there is a speed difference between 2 sources. Tesla's x-ray tests around the same time frame in dealing with the
isochronous mechanical oscillator patent shows this openly. A frequency is applied against a metal plate. Energy is expelled.
Also look at the ECDs.
--giantkiller. Same rules, different place.
@GK
Sorry for asking such a lame question but I have been looking through Tesla's patents and wasn't able to find the X-Ray one do you have the number?
Thanks
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Quote from: zerotensor on February 15, 2008, 02:37:43 AM
QuoteMoray and Povray. Been at for 10 years with Autocad background since version 1.
Povray is also my old friend. Here's a short clip I just whipped up, approximately on topic. 8)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8711002588473203448&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8711002588473203448&hl=en)
Nice video. I had a picture of this in my mind now for about 3 months. Tried to describe it too many times. Now I can get down to building. :)
@GK
The more freqs. the better as far as mag inducement. I believe that the atomic resonance of the conductor atoms has to be shaken up in order for electrons to move.
Quote from: Localjoe on February 16, 2008, 01:31:11 PM
@marcel
.. find the opening graphic for this thread it might help. ???
yes, but I was referring to a single core. Like single wire concepts but for magnetic fluxes.
Quote from: acerzw on February 16, 2008, 01:59:57 PM
@GK
Sorry for asking such a lame question but I have been looking through Tesla's patents and wasn't able to find the X-Ray one do you have the number?
Thanks
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I went too fast thru a whole train of things. Right in concert with page 78 in the 'Tesla Master of lightning' book. In three pages the author went from Roentgen to telegeodynamics. I should have included the term
isochronous mechanical oscillator.
QuoteIt was occassionally used by its intventor as a resonant tickler to inject energy, an additive train of timed blows. into various structures. It is possible thus to determine a structures resonant frequency, or even cause a catastrophic failure, by stressing it in this way.
I hope this makes better clarification. We have all seen the
additive timed blows before.
http://www.rexresearch.com/teslamos/tmosc.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/teslamos/tmosc.htm)
The
Reactive Forces Obtainable by Tesla's Isochronous Oscillators excerpt is extremely interesting.
--giantkiller. Sorry about the mispost.
@GK
Thanks for the clarification, very interesting page that...
I know you don't mind a bit of off topic now and then, a helpful fellow called Cap-Z-ro posted some really good information on the Rodin Coil thread on a very very simple electric healing device which you can build for about $10. I thought everyone might find it interesting. The device appears good for health generally and is very good for pain relief, many users have also said it helped them with other more serious health issues.
The best page I have found on the device is here: http://www.satori-5.co.uk/word_articles/misc/lee-crock.html
There is an interesting testimonial from someone who was pretty ill and built one here: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/therman.htm
I have attached the patent for Leander Crock's original device since it contains some very interesting information which might be applicable to free energy also (it references Tesla and others), note however that the first link I gave above contains the schematic for an even simpler version of the device than the one in the patent which works just as well. The device appears to be based on the even earlier work of Ernest Eeman who looks like the lost Tesla of health...
Best wishes and good health to all. :)
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I have 3 fets driving 3 segments of the 1st layer. 100ohm 1/8 watt on the gates. 50 ohms 10 watts on the coil to +12v. The coil is on the drain and the source is ground.
the 3 freqs are around 100khz. The fets run run cool. :)
The next step is to connect up the segments on the other layers in a spiral fashion and drive that. I need more fets or run coils in parallel.
I included a scope shot. The pulses are 14vdc. The output is +47volt height. ;)
One thing I would like to know is what the height of the field is in comparison to the height of the pulse in volts.
--giantkiller. Another step forward.
::)
? ? Very Informative ??? A
An Alternative, a frozen (solid state) one is better I have heard.
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@gk
What is you signal input? If your up round 100khz your not inputting audio anymore. I have a 24khz 100watt amp that was used for an ultrasonic cleaning tank. (I have a 0-10k supply but the finals are blown and the eprom set up for 1k ac output) The 24khz supply also has a freq.sweep of about 4khz so that should be intereting. The ultrasonic amp is pretty hardy. I also have some piezo electric transducers but don't see a way to use them unless I rattle the krap out of the coil mounted on a plate in front of some magnets. :D
Quote from: sparks on February 21, 2008, 06:53:04 PM
@gk
What is you signal input? If your up round 100khz your not inputting audio anymore. I have a 24khz 100watt amp that was used for an ultrasonic cleaning tank. (I have a 0-10k supply but the finals are blown and the eprom set up for 1k ac output) The 24khz supply also has a freq.sweep of about 4khz so that should be intereting. The ultrasonic amp is pretty hardy. I also have some piezo electric transducers but don't see a way to use them unless I rattle the krap out of the coil mounted on a plate in front of some magnets. :D
I pulsed 100k just to see the spikes and ringing. By no means is this an imperative test. I just wanted to get the 555 to irf840 going. More from EBay are on the way. I am getting matching sockets for the next stage to be mounted on the BFG chassis. Interesting note is I also have a 4k signal input range off the DACs I am going to use. I am going to also have a dc offset through a summing input of a lm324 to increase the freq
Quote from: sparks on February 21, 2008, 06:53:04 PM
@gk
What is you signal input? If your up round 100khz your not inputting audio anymore. I have a 24khz 100watt amp that was used for an ultrasonic cleaning tank. (I have a 0-10k supply but the finals are blown and the eprom set up for 1k ac output) The 24khz supply also has a freq.sweep of about 4khz so that should be intereting. The ultrasonic amp is pretty hardy. I also have some piezo electric transducers but don't see a way to use them unless I rattle the krap out of the coil mounted on a plate in front of some magnets. :D
I pulsed 100k just to see the spikes and ringing. By no means is this an imperative test. I just wanted to get the 555 to irf840 going. More from EBay are on the way. I am getting matching sockets for the next stage to be mounted on the BFG chassis. Interesting note is I also have a 4k signal input range off the DACs I am going to use. I am going to also have a dc offset through a summing input of a lm324 to increase the freq range. With an ampmeter in coil series I see the lowest reading at 24k. Really!?!. I am going to drag out the EGA monitor and fire the coil at it see the patterns. Thanks SingerXYZ.
I bought the audio amp a couple of months ago for the just this reason. I can swap units in and out at will. On my bench or in my truck it all has a purpose.
That is right I am not in the audio range for this test. But the setup is phenominally flexible for what ever range. The smaller the copper and the higher the frequency the more snappy it gets! Don't touch the edge of the plates.
--giantkillers.
If we look at this from the ionizer patent 568177 view this might make more sense.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat568177.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat568177.pdf)
:)
hello all
finally i find the time.....
so i was at a mag shop the other day... anyone herd of the magazine scientific American !?!?!?!?!
well it is kool if you haven't cuz until yesterday i did not know of it eather
however i picked up a copy and i will be posting a few pics from that mag
the article is called ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL
nuf said lol
isteam!!
~~~~~~"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them, One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness find them."~~~~~~
welcome back I_S long time no see!
@IS
Now that is a post of the most highest data magnitude. :o
--giantkiller.
;D
hello armma
much has happined in the time i was away as usual lol
here is the article or part of it
ist
~~ HEY ALICE DID YOU ALL READ THAT LOL!?!?!?!?~~
@is
Hello again. That smasher looks like the exact opposite of free energy. ;D Now if that was a big old tpu ring we all wouldn't have anything to do with our spare time.
@GK
Imagine what Tesla could have done with ss devices. That motorized spark gap is a trip. Any mention of the motor rpm?
@Gk
I would like one of these if you can find one in the echelon store room ;)
Oct. 4, 2005 - Australian Physicists have reached a milestone in the search for a way to produce a quantum computer. Such a machine will use light pulses instead of electrical pulses to store information, and will be exponentially more powerful than today's computers. They devised a way to slow the speed of a laser beam and store the information in a crystal. The stored information can then be released into another laser beam. The crystal will be the "hard drive" of this future computer.
They have these little light cube hd things that are exactly what that article describes but the us was using this tech way before 05.
joe
Quote from: Localjoe on February 23, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
@Gk
I would like one of these if you can find one in the echelon store room ;)
joe
The light spinner is at Blockbuster. Impulse section (waiting in line) $2.99.
@all,.
This is the driver board layout. I lowered the load resistor to 10 ohms @ 5 watt. I now have kicks at 200V. The magnetic field now reaches the center of the coil. ;D
One board will suffice to drive the whole BFG in a limited fashion. I will make 3 of these to drive all 27 coils.
Another config is made up of 9 ionizer coils. Add spark gaps and caps and viola, a stungun array.
Another config is 2 opposing control coils triggering each of the 9 segments.
The 27 coil drivers and terminal block connections will give great flexibility. Totally modular, dudes. 8)
Slap on a microprocessor with DACs and there is a digitally controlled heterodyner. ;)
--giantlkiller. And we will see where this takes us.
@GK
Thanks for illuminating the tube for me... why do people have to be so damn obscure? Still banana's are cool...
Anyways since the good old LHC has made an appearance, might as well take a look at this, the first motion picture of an 'electron', ermmm in motion ;D (apologies for linking to MSNBC, sometimes even satan has good info, so the MIB told me)
You know I reckon it's really a picture of a spinner like GK's, just a blue one... ;)
Reminds me of good old Walter Russell's picture, and Keely's, and the torus mag field picture I posted a while ago, and the joe cell... usual suspects.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23336318/from/ET/
A
Quote from: acerzw on February 27, 2008, 02:56:35 PM
@GK
Thanks for illuminating the tube for me... why do people have to be so damn obscure? Still banana's are cool...
Anyways since the good old LHC has made an appearance, might as well take a look at this, the first motion picture of an 'electron', ermmm in motion ;D (apologies for linking to MSNBC, sometimes even satan has good info, so the MIB told me)
You know I reckon it's really a picture of a spinner like GK's, just a blue one... ;)
Reminds me of good old Walter Russell's picture, and Keely's, and the torus mag field picture I posted a while ago, and the joe cell... usual suspects.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23336318/from/ET/
A
There are different configs that work to do different things. Nothing new here either. I have chosen the BFG config as a multi-application platform. A good place to start up. What is new is I am the first civilian to place in the public view an electronic driven, field based coil modeled after the Doom BFG. Now that is new and that is what turns my crank. I can't help myself.
So on this platform I will do the tests I want then keep adding to it based upon what I have seen in the past posts of the OU posting environment.
I am keeping at it and will not stop. And we will see what all this comes too after additional caps, diodes, spark gaps, incremental digital control. ;)
What has happened is alot of posts pertaining to factual knowledge, theories, small tests, good tests, other tests (fraud and the like), and good shows. Alot of people are getting tired. And doesn't anyone think it strange, and yes it has been mentioned, that after a year plus we are still in the same tirade of speak? Nothing has come up. I can't be the only one or the smartest one in all this. There are many who ceretainly know and can do more. We should have seen something by now instead of topic and fireworks. :o
Great vid of the electron.
--giantkiller. I find it all so very strange.
@Acer
Looks like phi just got harder to solve. The vector and the circle still can't get along even in an electron. (I always marveled at how mathmaticians could never understand that you can not express the orbit in terms of the line)
@GK
Good work! You all be careful now. You are bringing two forces together that don't really care for each other. Don't get caught in the middle. I powered up the 24k supply I have today and dumped it into a magnet wire coil. Started to smell ozone before I realized the turn to turn insulation of the coil was breaking down.
The output of this unit is just what the doctored ordered though. Hf short short ramp low duty cycle pulses.
Quote from: sparks on February 27, 2008, 09:18:51 PM
@Acer
Looks like phi just got harder to solve. The vector and the circle still can't get along even in an electron. (I always marveled at how mathmaticians could never understand that you can not express the orbit in terms of the line)
@GK
Good work! You all be careful now. You are bringing two forces together that don't really care for each other. Don't get caught in the middle. I powered up the 24k supply I have today and dumped it into a magnet wire coil. Started to smell ozone before I realized the turn to turn insulation of the coil was breaking down.
The output of this unit is just what the doctored ordered though. Hf short short ramp low duty cycle pulses.
The simple equation is ~impedance by input/output turns with turn distance spacings. Alter the mass at the primary or secondary. Use the 1 to x turns ratio to boost the power. The high frequency will facilitate the equivalancy of power using the mass of the copper ratio.
This is what I have seen in the stunguns, exploding pop can, rail guns, Wardenclyffe, Tesla's scalar array, microwave ovens, ECD, Ottos' mobius connections.
Solid state devices don't have the ion chamber effected by the surrounding magnetic waves. That is another configuration.
--giantkiller.
The human race is a content based species.
The being derives its validity by what they apply to themselves.
The self reignes supreme without control of the still mind.
--giantkiller. I shudder at the thought of thinking by control.
Humanity is not yet sufficiently advanced to be willingly led by the discover's keen searching sense. But who knows? Perhaps it is better in this present world of ours that a revolutionary idea or invention instead of being helped and patted, be hampered and ill-treated in its adolescence ? by want of means, by selfish interest, pedantry, stupidity and ignorance; that it be attacked and stifled; that it pass through bitter trials and tribulations, through the heartless strife of commercial existence. So do we get our light. So all that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed ? only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.
-Nikola Tesla
Keep up the good work GK
I received 30 IRF840 fets in the mail thru Ebay.
I wait on sockets, the 18f8722 pic board and dev environment. The 18f8720 pic board that I bought from futurlec previously for the parallel port doesn't work. The development support software from the winpic800.com had similar problems all over the world.
But, Futurlec.com worked with me to further my efforts and were very helpful. I do recommend them highly and I have ordered from them before.
--giantkiller.
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--giantkiller.
GK; the output of a 555 square wave has rise/fall time on order of 100 ns.
Do you know if the can IRF840 switch that fast?
Quote from: Feynman on March 08, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
GK; the output of a 555 square wave has rise/fall time on order of 100 ns.
Do you know if the can IRF840 switch that fast?
Turn on time = 35ns
Rise time = 15ns
Total on settling = 50 ns
Turn off delay time = 90
Fall time = 35
Total off settling time = 125ns
with 1us on time and 1 us off time
1000ns
1000ns
50ns
125ns
2175ns
max f = 1/.000002175 = 500khz
A starting point of 245khz on down will give adequate range for the other 2 harmonics of the 3 notes in the ionizer setup, the Phi document or the Rosslyn Chapel motet.
--giantkiller.
Hi,
If I may chime in: The IRF840's rise/fall time is in the order of 20-21ns under conditions defined in data sheet, see here: http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets3/fairchild/IRF840.pdf
May I notice that the 555 is also manufactured in CMOS process and it is much "faster", its output square wave has rise/fall time around 15ns (!), works up to 3MHz in astable mode and is fully pin and other data compatible with its age old bipolar version. see data sheet here http://cache.national.com/ds/LM/LMC555.pdf
rgds, Gyula
Greatly appreciated.
In my previous coil / copper test I noticed that 200k was more than adequate especially when the adjacent coils are driven opposing each other and a low induction feedback wrapped around the whole thing. :D
The ionizers and stunguns work in the range of 6khz to 24khz. A rise time of 100us can do the trick.
--giantkiller.
The IRF840 coil driver.
--giantkiller.
Thanks GK
I'll mention that today I did some 555 experiments. I used a Radio Shack 555CN timer, part 276-1723, manufactured by Texas Instruments. It has NE555P stamped on the chip. This is the chip I tested.
<see below...>
Experiment Details:
R1 = 1k
R2 = 10k
C = independent variable: 0.1uF, 0.01uF, or 100pF
(ceramic: +- 20%, +- 10%, and +- 5%, respectively)
Decoupling: 47uF electrolytic
IC: NE555P by Texas Instruments
*** Okay , so I just realized this experiment needs to be run again. The scope was not calibrated. I will post new results soon.
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Okay, so I'm going to re-run these experiments once I get some beers...
But, in the meantime, I was looking for how to build a computer controlled frequency oscillator, and I came across the
FERRARI OF OSCILLATORS: RISE TIME = 1ns, Sweep 1KHZ to 68MHZ !
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Controlled via Serial! Yo te quiero infinito, Oh my corazon!
http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1010,C1096,P2415,D1449 (http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1010,C1096,P2415,D1449)
Here's another Square Wave gen from LTC that does not require PIC, just in case someone needs it: http://www.triplespark.net/elec/oscillator/LTC1799/
Thanks amigo.... you don't need PIC though, you can control it with Arduino over I2C.
PIC is cheaper, but Arduino is way easier to program. (built in USB interface, I2C library called "Wire" etc)
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You can get Arduino for about $35USD at sparkfun, and it includes built in USB interface.
Quote from: Feynman on March 09, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
Okay, so I'm going to re-run these experiments once I get some beers...
But, in the meantime, I was looking for how to build a computer controlled frequency oscillator, and I came across the
FERRARI OF OSCILLATORS: RISE TIME = 1ns, Sweep 1KHZ to 68MHZ, WTF!
Controlled via Serial! Yo te quiero infinito, Oh my corazon!
http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1010,C1096,P2415,D1449 (http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1010,C1096,P2415,D1449)
:o :o :o HOLY CRAP IN A BUCKET! ME WANT ME WANT!!! ;D ;D ;D
Digikey has them for about $3-4 apiece. Get the LTC6903 if you are going to control via SPI bus, and get LTC6904 if you are going to control it via I2C bus. I think I2C bus might be easier with Arduino (only 2 wires). Also you will probably need a 8 pin MSOP to DIP converter so you can plug the sucker into your experiment board (about $5).
Components:
Arduino ($35) http://sparkfun.com
LTC6903/LTC6904 ($4) http://digikey.com
8 pin MSOP to DIP convertor ($6) http://www.epboard.com/eproducts/protoadapter.htm#MSOPtoDIPAdapter (you want part E8-0047).
and of course the infamous IRF840 MOSFET.
I'd like to make the Java control software compatible with GKs PIC implementation as well, and publish it under GPL. That way we can start some serious experiments with resonance.
Oh yeah.....
--giantkiller.
We are going to need a bidirectional , open-source control protocol going from the computer to the microcontroller. We should make it loosely coupled, so it doesn't matter what's running under the hood.
If anyone has any ideas, by all means post them! Here is what I thought so far...
Computer -> Serial (RS-232) -> Microcontroller (Arduino, PIC, etc)
"Frequency1=31500"
"Frequency2=250100"
where frequency is in hz.
@ GK
Attached is a schematic of a tpu disassembled. Not as compact as SM's but I believe it is doable. The initiator in this setup is a small tpu which acts as a receiver for the Earth's magnetic field flux. It's current is then induced into the two tpu windings which get spun up. These windings then are receivers of the Earth's magnetic flux and spin on their own. They are different in mass so there is potential between the two receivers. Hook em up and let her flow. I think SM compacted everything here and used the kick windings to not only initiate the spin but squeeze the fields into interacting in one output winding. Note that there has to be an out of balance amount of mass in the two coils. Both coils need a magnetic material as points of reference for the inertial spin of the coil. The current converter is a piece of zinc that acts as a resistor in a passive current converter.
@sparks,
Same mass difference reference in this pic of the magnetic vortex generator.
@Feynman,
Each ring has 3 coils. three freqs to ring, 1 freq to 1 coil. So we get a chord on a ring. 3 chords for the 3 rings. Now change harmonic chords very quickly looping the 3 chords thru the 3 rings while CCW rotating 1 individual freq of each coil to the next coil on the next ring. Like a barber pole!
This will be another test towards Keely.
--giantkiller.
wow , nice diagrams guys
i don't understand this yet, i think i'll need to experiment once parts get here. needless to say this is very exciting.
This configuration is the same as a cyclone. The power in the slow spinning greater mass of the clouds being transmitted to a very high speed spin on the ground. Orbital momementum transfer is all it is. Electrons have mass and carry charge so they will obey every law of physics just like an air molecule. I don't care how small they are they are still mass. The only difference between them and other mass is their charge. You cause them to bump up and down in a wire you create vibrational inertia. You make them go in orbit they create orbital momentum or inertia. The proton 1800 times more massive then the electron but equal relative charge. That proton doesn't have anymore inertia in it than the tiny electron. Lots more potential energy but same inertia.
Earth has a shitload of electrons all spinning in the same direction relative to the Sun. So it has a huge magnetic field that interacts with the magnetic field of the Sun. And the Sun is orbiting the galaxy center. Which by all indications has a big old magnetic field enough to stop the solar wind dead in it's tracks. Just one electrical vortex after another. This is why the Corona of the sun is hotter than the surface of the Sun. The sun is getting it's energy from the Corona as it traverses the magnetic field of the center of the Galaxy. Potential Energy being transferred on huge wavelengths that can only be observed by huge bodies of mass. But I digress lets get these tpu's spinning!
Thanks sparks
Here are the results of tonight's experiments involving the NE555P (555 timer).
I have conducted a second trial of the experiment 'rise and time'. The scope is now properly calibrated. All the components and tests are otherwise identical as before. This is a test of the radio shack version of the 555 chip. The objective is to understand it's oscillation capabilities.
Question: Does circuit frequency effect the rise time of the NE555P ?
Answer: No. Frequency does not affect rise time in NE555P chip.
Question: Does this mean all oscillator chips have constant rise times?
Answer: Insufficient information to answer this question. Probably not.
Question: What is the rise time of the NE555P.
Answer: The rise time is constant and is approximately 110 ns.
Question: Is this fast or slow?
Answer: Compared to the newest chips (LTC6904), the NE555P is very slow.
Question: Why does this matter?
Answer: Switching speed is important for sharp gradients, which are necessary to cause curvature of local spacetime. Futhermore, sharper gradients mean the signal has richer harmonic content. This will be important for research into resonant and scalar physics.
Question: How do I know the rise time is for sure 110ns ?
Here is a scope trace at high frequency (approx 285khz, T/div=0.02us, V/div=1V)
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Quote from: Feynman on March 11, 2008, 07:36:30 PM
wow , nice diagrams guys
i don't understand this yet, i think i'll need to experiment once parts get here. needless to say this is very exciting.
The 555 to a Fet is the start. Don't try too hard to analyze it. This is the driver to a multistage coil winding. Look at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431) and further on. Now this is not the end of end all but...
This will show you the next step of multiple coils mobius hooked up into inductive coupling. The control windings are 90degrees to the iron wire and parallel to the outside low inductive winding.
Here a some stun gun ckts. Notice the LC tanks and coupling.http://www.personalarms.com/schematics.htm (http://www.personalarms.com/schematics.htm)
And here is my favorite: http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm (http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm)
This most likely adheres to Telsa's patents. Notice the internal spark gap. We only ever see the external spark gap at the end of the transformer stage.
Now we have the clock stage, the transformer stage, and the 3rd stage is
where we want to be. Remove the sparkgap at then end of the transformer stage. There you will find the High speed voltage that Tesla mentions in numerous patents. ;D
--giantkiller. Telsa patents... The real breakfast of champions and small gods too. :D
I chose the xr2206 generators to work with very low range under 200hz besides above per the attached excerpt.
The 555s also work. but they are chatty. This is a big clue here. If you want stability then these are not here. The chatter can be up in the 100mhz with heterodyning so you'll have one very snappy critter. It is a good thing I used inline resistors to squelch the current. Let's just call it a magnetic stun gun. Hence the pain I experienced last year. Anybody can jump in here and you are free to get hurt.
The other oscillators previously posted are also necessary. I will incorporate them in a sub build. I too like the high speed.
Now that this platform is established let go another step.
The articles publish the low freq of < 100hz. That is what I want. I can not stray from Keely's work. It is drivng me. But I also can achieve these low freqs by heterodyning. So we have a brute force single freq or a harmonically produced one. I am under the suspsicion that both are valid but produce different effects. John Hutchison's tests come into play here also.
So basically I have this narrowed down. The builds are now the time consumer. I have two paths for the freq generation, not including 555s. Besides the xr2206s produce sine waves also. ;)
Ok. Lets have some fun here. Get familiar with the BFG. I can use the spiral drive to produce an angular one chord and shift over to the next vertical triad and drive that spiral connection with another chord. And I do this the 3rd time for the last set. So as the chords are pumped into each triad, the magfields twist into a center pressure zone. ;)
I can use the center Tesla coil secondary to read this and then fire that primary, shooting a high speed field into the center pressure zone.
See this? Should be fun.
--giantkiller.
::)
lol @marco
why use a 555 when you can make a multivibrator out of 12AX7s !! heheh... I did look into using tubes for the oscillators, and I like tube circuits, but for my TPU research I decided to go solid-state, with microcontrollers and MOSFETs. It just makes it easier to collect and graph data.
@gk
Thanks for the pictures in the other thread. I think I understand this much better now.
I will incorporate the 2206 into the microcontroller serial protocol / java application. we really need to standardize the computer <---> microcontroller interface , so we can all operate on a common open-source application framework even though we are using different chips under the hood.
Quote from: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 03:50:25 PM
lol @marco
It just makes it easier to collect .
No Sir ;D
Actually it is the other way around ;)
Solid state devices are too slow to find the three major intersecting you know whats...
They also use about a million percent of feed-back to get a clean signal output.
Tube control systems require no feedback to make the units achieve catalyst.
They are stable in themselves!
Solid state devices REQUIRE feedback just to operate into the load of the coiled wire.
The problem is that once the catalyst sequence has started, the feed back obviously changes the perimeters of the solid state units output, shutting down the unit!!!
Now look at a basic electron tube device.
You have one stage of amplification, one stage of signal phase splitting and driving and one stage of power output, all at high voltage low current.
This means FAST! it also means that the feedback for frequency output correction is FAST also.
Etc...
M.
Thanks Marco
How can you dynamically control the frequency in a tube oscillator across a wide range (say 1khz - 250khz) ? Can you digitally control it from a computer? Or are you saying your circuit provides coupled feedback, like a phase-locked loop?
No computer...shit
Just the good o'l stuff.
You can play with the coil , core , or you can change capacitance etc.
I think anybody knows that. :)
It is verry difficult to convince people.
I do not know why they are all into solid state.....while we know what should work best.
M.
I am into solid-state because I want to take a new path, my knowledge is focused in this area. Plus, using a computer, you can automate data collection , automate frequency/voltage graphing, etc. Additionally, I don't know much about tubes, I don't know how to build a good tube oscillator, etc.
But I definitely support the use of tubes; whatever works! I will help with anything that gets us to our goal. Keep eyes on the prize. ;)
It is not about oil. Poverty is capital.
How the Money Works: the Destruction of Neighbourhoods
The model works about the same in every country, although the particulars vary between domestic and international agencies and the military and enforcement bureaucracies. Some call it the securitisation process. Some call it corporatisation. Some call it privatisation. Some call it globalisation. What this means in layman's terms is that the management of resources is centralised. This is done through a system of securitisation based on privilege and coercion rather than performance and the rule of law.
From the viewpoint of the neighbourhood there are six ways to centralise local capital:
? First, you consolidate all retail sales into a few large corporations, including franchise operations, cutting out local small business.
? Second, you outsource ("privatise") all local government functions to a few large corporations or subject them to such an overwhelming amount of federal regulation that they can be controlled and managed for the benefit of a few large corporations and their investors.
? Third, you buy up all the land and real estate, or encumber them with mortgages in a way that is as profitable as possible and allows you to get control when you want it.
? Fourth, you finance the entire process with the profits from narcotics and organised crime that you market into the neighbourhood. This enables you to finance your expansion in a manner that lowers your cost of capital in a way that conveniently lowers the initial price of your investment and/or weakens your competition. I buy your business and land with your money at a fraction of the cost. No one sells her home faster and cheaper than a mother trying to make bail or pay a lawyer to save her family from jail or death. That is why narcotics trafficking is the ultimate form of neighbourhood leveraged buyout.
? Fifth, you leverage all of this with tax shelters, private tax-exempt bonds, municipal bonds, government guarantees, and government subsidies -- all protected with complex securities arrangements.
? Sixth, you ensure that the only companies and mutual funds allowed meaningful access to capital are those run by syndicate-approved management teams. To raise significant campaign funds candidates for political office appoint syndicate-approved management teams. Investment syndicates define the boundaries of managed competition that cycle all capital back through their pipelines. That means the only local boys who can make good are those who play ball with the syndicate.
In this way the private equity in a community can be extracted at a near infinite rate of return to investors and a highly negative rate of return to taxpayers.
So once the debt machine has leveraged out your salary against a greater debt accumulation, the gas prices are raised to extract even more of your hard earned little dollars.
A working TPU will take the owner to an early grave.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 12, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
How the Money Works: the Destruction of Neighborhoods...
From the viewpoint of the neighborhood there are six ways to centralize local capital...
In this way the private equity in a community can be extracted at a near infinite rate of return to investors and a highly negative rate of return to taxpayers.
So once the debt machine has leveraged out your salary against a greater debt accumulation, the gas prices are raised to extract even more of your hard earned little dollars.
A working TPU will take the owner to an early grave.
--giantkiller.
Golly, when you put it that way, the six-ways alternative does sound so much more attractive. :P
Fight the good fight, lest we cower in darkness...--giantkiller.
The LTC6904 chips have arrived
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Don't hate on solid state !
I see TEM / LMD in this circuit.
Wonder what the OSC used is?
This circuit ejects energy off at the output stage. Dollard proved this. I replicated this in a gross way.
This works for certain types of applcation while the TPU does not eject it's power. We want the two rings to create a Helmholtz coil with sine waves so the smooth action keeps the field in the rings thereby allowing the most magnetic field action across the tubes. Any wave transmission means power loss. Can anybody say 5khz? Less then 40khz then. But I don't use 7.8hz. Why? Off resonance with Earth. 7.8hz will do this and you get 100% heterodyning with the planet field. Boom!
So we pulse control a resonant circuit in tune with secondary coil tank circuit resonant frequency. And on the next one, and next one. If you have more than 1 segment.
We never saw any complicated windings in the SM17. That was all done in the little box in the center. The cutaway version showed the 2 layers of wires. All connections and control windings were done in the little box in the center. So the oscillator(s) in the little black box pulsed the layers which sent a field from the outer rings back into the little black box in the center. Closed loop, but were not talking wires here.
One could use coils to read the fields coming back to control the VCO. There were coils on top of the little black box in the center. And they were 90 degress coupling input. Been there, done that.
Keep contained or let it fly. Just depends on what the desired output is.
By putting tubes in the coil center we have placed a receptive variable, the heater created ion field. The generated magnetic field will sweep through the tubes innards and concentrate or decentrate the ion field pressure thereby accesing its own control through this feedback mechanism. The anode and cathode will also be affected. Solid state can't respond this way. Anode and cathode but no physical field. Tubes conduct through space. Solid state conducts through substrate layers. Patent 568177 included just for grins. Ion field and no tubes. I have nothing against tubes. I work with them also.
--giantkiller. RFC.
I wonder what would happen if you sent in 70,007.8 hz and 70khz into seperate coils. . . difference = 7.8 hz, like binaural beats.
Will my TPU explode?? ;)
Well you might fry these SS parts you just got.... if you ask me they are useless.
Like i smoked again my DMM just a minute ago.
That's three in a row they just can't handle it.
First the sparks fly out of it,then it starts to buzz,and then when you smell that nasty air you know you can burrie one more.
Tubes fry Solid State....it is almost as if it is some kind of revenge ::)
M.
Marco, lol
What did SS ever do to tubez!!? Revenge for what?/ heheh
Can you plz post your full schematics for oscillator / amplification circuitry using tubes? (I am not against tubes, i am just going by what I know.)
Revenge for making evreybody believe they are better and such.
I already posted many schematic's of oscillators and amps.
But it is best to just switch components untill you got it right.
Doing so you will devellope a certain feeling for these circuits,you will become handy.
There isn't really much to it.
Just a tank and a tube for feedback.
You take of the signal thrue a cap and on to the next stage.
Simple things.
M.
I don't know about tubes or ss but if you guys were going to build a current to voltage converter for like a thousand amps what would you use? I'm thinking lead. It appears in the periodic table with all the rest of the semiconductors like silicon and germanium and selenium. I think it has semiconductor properties and a shitload of mass to carry the charge.
Plus it seems to absorb magnetism. (e.g. magnetic shielding on submarines) What is that wedge of metal SM has in his tpu?
Thanks Marco ,
Is this the right formula for Analog Colpitts?
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Maybe ;D
I was never good at formulas :)
What good are they?
M.
I got it off wikipedia here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator
Yeah formulas suck most of the time.. I noticed that with the 555 timer, the formula was up to 10-30% off from the real oscillation frequency I measured on the scope. Thats one of the reasons I got those LTC chips...
Anyway, I will try both analog (tube) and digital oscillation (LTC) sources. No reason to be biased. I just have to build a stupid AC power supply for the heater and plate voltage. :'( Anyone want to drop schematics for driving a 12AX7? I wil buy you a beer!
you can feed the heater out of a battery, this is clean too.
as for the plate voltage you can use many types of transformers, or you can directly rectify the mains etc.
Make sure you isolate as much noise as is possible to get the best result.
M.
Marco, take for example 12AX7 , I thought the heater had to be fed by 6-12V AC?
yes, if it's a 12 volt heater, use a car battery.
and if it's a 6 volt you can put two in series on a car battery.
then the output signal is ultra clean compared to ac fed heaters,
if you can put many batteries in series to get to the high plate voltage it is perfect.
noise free, i call this a jackpot setup.
M.
Fantastic; thanks!
:) ;) ;D
i must say some thing with all this tube chat .....
lol
KEEP IT UP!!!
IST
i think sm recomended the 6bq7a tube..... why? it is a triode tube vhf found in old tvs..... hummmmm.... not cuz it works from a dc battery and it is a real efficient high speed switcher ?!?!?!?!?!?!
no way !!
Marco:
What is the best general amplification tube? I have access to 12AX7, is this sufficient? If not , what is best general signal amplification tube with fast response time, something to replace the IRF840 MOSFET. The signal coming in would be 3-5V . Also, do you have any decent schematics for an amplifier... lastly, you mentioned early that the plate voltage is DC. Is this correct?
Thanks,
Feynman
Quote from GK
" Anode and cathode but no physical field. Tubes conduct through space. Solid state conducts through substrate layers. Patent 568177 included just for grins. Ion field and no tubes. "
Ah yes the spark gap. Tesla's Earth Field detector. I think the magnetic field pulse of the Earth wanders in freq and strength. This is the frequency we are trying to exploit so it's a damn good idea to know what the hell it is before we try to resonate it.
Now if I want to know what is happening in a circuit I grab up an ammeter and voltmeter and sometimes an oscope. Inside the ammeter we have this wonderful device that converts a magnetic field into voltage. It exploits the hall effect. It is so sensitive that it needs to be shielded from the ambient magnetic field of the Earth. I guarntee Tesla Moray Leedskin SM all had to sense the Earth field before they collected it's energy and amplified it. SM said put the control circuits inside the tpu coil cause if you put them outside the incoming current is going to fu the Earth field sensor that is a vital component of the system.
We don't need to couple into some mysterious energy of the aether: just build an ammeter for the pulsating magnetic field of the Earth.
The 6BQ7A is an all glass miniature VHF double triode and is internally screened.
A valve like this would be used for RF amplification, or frequency multiplication. In the latter case the valve is operated as a non liner amplifier. This causes harmonics of the signal frequency to appear in the anode current. The anode tuned circuit is then chosen to resonate at one of the harmonics, usually the second or third.
Something for free...
http://www.thetubecenter.com/tubelist7.html (http://www.thetubecenter.com/tubelist7.html)
--giantkiller.
@Gk and all
Interesting bit of info here http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/solfeggio.html (http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/solfeggio.html)
direct quote
"The 3, 6, and 9
As we look at the six original Solfeggio frequencies, using the Pythagorean method, we find the base or root vibrational numbers are 3,6, & 9. Nicola Tesla tells us, and I quote: "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."
John Keely, an expert in electromagnetic technologies, wrote that the vibrations of "thirds, sixths, and ninths, were extraordinarily powerful." In fact, he proved the "vibratory antagonistic thirds was thousands of times more forceful in separating hydrogen from oxygen in water than heat." In his "Formula of Aqueous Disintegration" he wrote that, "molecular dissociation or disintegration of both simple and compound elements, whether gaseous or solid, a stream of vibratory antagonistic thirds, sixths, or ninths, on their chord mass will compel progressive subdivisions. In the disintegration of water the instrument is set on thirds, sixths, and ninths, to get the best effects."
In the book of Genesis it states that there are six days of creation. Yet many talk about the creation week ââ,¬â€œ or seven days, and the Christian Bible views the number seven as the number of completeness. Why Seven? It is due to the influence of the Near Eastern culture at the time in which Jesus lived, when it was believed that there were only seven planets.
When wrestling with adding a 7th number, I was mystically drawn to an article in Discover Magazine. In his newest book, Just Six Numbers, Rees argues that six numbers underlie the fundamental physical properties of the universe, and that each is the precise value needed to permit life to flourish. In laying out this premise, he joins a long, intellectually daring line of cosmologists and astrophysicists (not to mention philosophers, theologians, and logicians) stretching all the way back to Galileo, who presume to ask: Why are we here? As Rees puts it, "These six numbers constitute a recipe for the universe." He adds that if any one of the numbers were different "even to the tiniest degree, there would be no stars, no complex elements, no life." (From Discovery Magazine). As some authors have speculated, could these tones have played a role in the miraculous shattering of Jerichoââ,¬â,,¢s great wall in six days before falling on the seventh day? Some scientists are now stating that if we have been created, we most likely would have been sung into existence. Is it possible that the six days of creation mentioned in Genesis represent six fundamental frequencies that underlie the universe? Religious scholars believe both events occurred as a result of sounds being spoken or played.
Other scientists, including the geniuses Nikola Tesla, Raymond Rife, as well as Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, and Chladni, all must have known about, and used the concept of, the inherent power of threes, sixes, and nines. So we are dealing with three powerful numbers: 3-6-9. Everyone of the six Solfeggio Tuning Forks all add up, individually to the Pythagorean scheme of 3-6-9. In fact, because there are two sets of 3-6-9 (anagrams) in the solfeggio, they are even more powerful as these combinations serve as "portals" to other dimensions!".
...The dimension part i dont know about but.. some striking parallels yet again
Joe
This is the missing link for the frequences of old. The diatonic scale's pitch which keely used and directly correlates to the phi spiral, has been altered over time yet the original pitches are claimed to be these.
UT - 396 Hz - Liberating Guilt and Fear
RE - 417 Hz - Undoing Situations and Facilitating Change
MI - 528 Hz - Transformation and Miracles (DNA Repair)
FA - 639 Hz - Connecting/Relationships
SOL - 741 Hz - Awakening Intuition
LA - 852 Hz - Returning to Spiritual Order
:)
intresting joe
hey im not sure guys but i dont remember TESLA beat boxing but perhaps he did .....
my lil pic ;)
IST
@localjoe
When they get down to smashing mass they are going to find everything is made from nothing. What a waste of will.
Mass is harmonic frequencies cast upon more harmonics cast upon more harmonics. Potential energy waiting for the wills to play with. Three Six Nine are all vector numbers in Rodin Math. The third sixth and nineth harmonic thereby represent a vectored increase in the beat freq of say 7.6. Potential energy exchange is a vector. That's why phi will never be solved by conventional mathmatics is because it doesn't exist. The circle and the line. The sphere and the axis.
@gk
If the input signal drifts isn't there the potential for wave interference and thermal losses in the system.
Quote from: Feynman on March 13, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
Marco:
What is the best general amplification tube? I have access to 12AX7, is this sufficient? If not , what is best general signal amplification tube with fast response time, something to replace the IRF840 MOSFET. The signal coming in would be 3-5V . Also, do you have any decent schematics for an amplifier... lastly, you mentioned early that the plate voltage is DC. Is this correct?
Thanks,
Feynman
Hi the tubes Steven used when he found the frequency's for the first time were twin high mu triodes.
These tubes deliverd 2 x 13 watts into the load.
So based on this, i would say the output of a 12ax7 doesn't even come close to what is needed to replicate his first (working) setup.
BUT, you can switch many of the little tubes in parallel, this requiers more heater current, but when you got enough of them ,it delivers the same power into the load.
Many little tubes are better then driving one tube hard, it generates less distortion.
The 12ax7 however can be used in the oscillator part aswell as the driver and phase inverter.
If the plate voltage is rectified then it is DC.
I have a box full of transistors it's over thousant's of them, but i do not use them anymore.
The only thing i was thinking to use them is for a adjustable DC source for the heaters so i can slowly start the tube in stead of giving them the full power on the heater at once.
If you need schematics, they are all over the internet.
Just do a quick google on a couple of tubes you have and you will find them.
Also you can search the bama site they have many manuals of verry nice equipment.
I have downloaded some manuals of the tube based signal generators over there it's real good stuff to look into.
M.
Quote from: sparks on March 14, 2008, 01:03:15 PM
@localjoe
When they get down to smashing mass they are going to find everything is made from nothing. What a waste of will.
Mass is harmonic frequencies cast upon more harmonics cast upon more harmonics. Potential energy waiting for the wills to play with. Three Six Nine are all vector numbers in Rodin Math. The third sixth and nineth harmonic thereby represent a vectored increase in the beat freq of say 7.6. Potential energy exchange is a vector. That's why phi will never be solved by conventional mathmatics is because it doesn't exist. The circle and the line. The sphere and the axis.
@gk
If the input signal drifts isn't there the potential for wave interference and thermal losses in the system.
@LJ,
And the angels sing 'Holy, Holy, Holy'. 3 times? There are more references from history of low frequencies than of high. I will add divider stages on the output of the LT3904 oscillator. Than I can have it all: 1hz to 68mhz. Keely to Tesla to Hutchison. Woohoo! I also have a design for a soft/current and hard/Bemf included fet driver.
And,
We build huge arms to take a shot at our neighbors. We could do better with a tune from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana brass, no?
@Tubes,
Heater of 6.3 vdc at 2.5 or .4 amps. Way underunity with car batteries unless there is a t-bar switch where when things get going to connect to the newly generated power?
@sparks,
With the freqs at the resonance of the coil, the impedance will keep the current low. I can't say what the action in surrounding space would do to the coils. But in reference to the hi speed action of the drift, this definately throws some power about. The excitation causes the energy to leave at a high rate of speed. I never felt any real heat at this point. And true, If the power is kept in the coil then there will be heat build up. I never saw the dartlets on the inside of the coils only on the outside. But I can tell by your posts elsewhere you are very focused in the action in the surrounding coil are. The transfer of potentials happens there. I have an EGA monitor to use for the visual feedback. At least in the magneto optical realm.
@Feynman,
Work it all, dude. Thanks for the osc find! I got these coming in the mail. No man is an island.
@all,
I am glad to see the BFG as a catalyst for very far reaching thought trains here. I eat and sleep this beast. Parts and samples are arriving on a weekly basis towards the next steps.
--giantkiller. We will see what this accumulation brings. Costs and time are not prohibitive.
@GK
1hz :) It goes alot lower. How bout lightyear long wavelengths with enough energy in them to rattle galaxies. Take a little time to set up a receiver though. :D
And yes I'm really focused on whats happening on the magfield interface. That's where the action is. The collision zone between the Earth's mag field and the ring current mag field. I'm thinking along the lines of putting together two distinct rings of different masses and tapping the voltage differential between the two.
Electrical tornado of sorts. Low spin high mass coupling with high spin low mass and put the light bulbs in the middle. Tesla primary lots of mass. Tesla secondary not much mass. Lots and lots of voltage differential.
Quote from: sparks on March 14, 2008, 04:55:09 PM
@GK
1hz :) It goes alot lower. How bout lightyear long wavelengths with enough energy in them to rattle galaxies. Take a little time to set up a receiver though. :D
And yes I'm really focused on whats happening on the magfield interface. That's where the action is. The collision zone between the Earth's mag field and the ring current mag field. I'm thinking along the lines of putting together two distinct rings of different masses and tapping the voltage differential between the two.
Electrical tornado of sorts. Low spin high mass coupling with high spin low mass and put the light bulbs in the middle. Tesla primary lots of mass. Tesla secondary not much mass. Lots and lots of voltage differential.
Take 50' of formable 1/2" od copper tubing. Spread it out along it's axis to achieve about 1foot between turns. Spray it down with PAM nonstick spray. Take equivalent length of clear 3/4 tubing and slide it onto the whole length of the copper tubing. Squeeze the coil back together so the turns touch and secure in place. Place on an inverted trash lid. Drive to a large dish output location. Connect with jumper cables to Spark plug #1 on your truck. Place unit on ground, not in truck bed. Gentlemen, start your engines! The FCC should arrive momentarily. ;D
You can also place spools of wire on a post and connect all sequencially. Do not touch the ends? Hows that for a backyard Tesla coil?
--giantkiller.
Thank you to all for providing information.
I will be persuing both analog and digital paths. ;)
Quote from: innovation_station on March 14, 2008, 11:36:41 AM
:)
intresting joe
hey im not sure guys but i dont remember TESLA beat boxing but perhaps he did .....
my lil pic ;)
IST
Where is your motor innovation?
Tesla was convinced he needed line of sight to get his signal out there. No bouncing freqs off the ionosphere for him. He didn't believe it existed. Plus it was too unpredicatble if it did. This man was going to build an ionized air column 36,000 feet tall and send vibrations up and down that puppy. No wonder they named the ionized air mortar after him. 12 stations located around the globe could be line of sight at that altitude.
@Sparks and All
Sparks i disagree with what your saying. Your moving too far into unknowns with your theory. Im sticking to the facts . Here is my proof
A. Phi 1.618 and mathematical/musical intervals thereof are considered pleasing to the Ear. People who have facial features that line up with the ratio are considered to be attractive. These are established facts tested and reviewed many times. I know may builders for custom homes that use these sets of ratios in much of what they do because the customer will "like the appearance"
B. This Link shows the recursive nature just as found in phi only two freq needed to find the rest http://educate-yourself.org/pnl/solfeggio01dec06.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/pnl/solfeggio01dec06.shtml)- ACER CHECK THIS OUT!!!
C. Phi and harmonics there of are repeating and if heterodyned with other "just tempered" freq they are CREATIVE .. this is a unique property. Not all wave forms combine positively.
D. you wrote "mass is harmonic frequencies cast upon more harmonics cast upon more harmonics" This supports my claim.. The harmonics of phi add together to form more freq/overtones that keep increasing in there intensity and freq out of our comprehension.
I can keep going .... Hopefully you don't think this is nonsense anymore. Just go look at a seashell i think theres something to it. as well Phi and Pi are two completely different things i just wanted to make sure you didnt think i was speaking of the latter.
Joe
@joe,
ok, i see your third and sixth, but ,where is the ninth, without the ninth all you have is disharmony, any way you want to slice it. you have to have the ninth for the harmony!! maybe you should take another look at, "rodin math" if you are going to try to work in base nine.
lol
sam
Quote from: sparks on March 14, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on March 14, 2008, 11:36:41 AM
:)
intresting joe
hey im not sure guys but i dont remember TESLA beat boxing but perhaps he did .....
my lil pic ;)
IST
Where is your motor innovation?
Tesla was convinced he needed line of sight to get his signal out there. No bouncing freqs off the ionosphere for him. He didn't believe it existed. Plus it was too unpredicatble if it did. This man was going to build an ionized air column 36,000 feet tall and send vibrations up and down that puppy. No wonder they named the ionized air mortar after him. 12 stations located around the globe could be line of sight at that altitude.
i didnt bring lil suzzie on cue with me this time for the photo shoot... :D but she is all cued up ;)
i was thinking of buying a big tesla coil ... lol
hummmm......
ist
@Gk
Cool should prove for a good sub sonic rumble, The Simpson's episode of old with lisa and Barry white come to mind.. :)
@IS
His vedic teachings may be a candidate to answer that.. to the extent of chants and what not .. i dont think he wore Adidas tho
@Sam
Explain a little further what you mean. The stuff i had found caught my attention and had parallels to stuff we discuss here so i always try to share. I don't have a unified theory or follow one i just drop off stuff ::) here occasionally when it seems correlated. I figure that way we can all make our own assumptions by sifting through the nonsense for the ear of truth usually hidden. Just pieces to a bigger puzzle.. :D
Joe
@local joe
Sorry I was talking about pi. There is orbital inertia. A harmonious capture of potential energy. There is vibrational harmonious capture of potential energy. I like the circle. :D
@all
If we add inertia to an electron with a near linear electric field change the electron now moves in a relative direction that is distinctly different than all the electrons that remained in the Earth's inertial frame. This electron will now experience the coriolus force. Mass attracts mass. The force on the electron will cause it to change direction and get back in line with the Earth mass. This happens constantly on a macroscopic level in the atmosphere so why should we assume it does not happen on the relativistic level.
It's direction of inertia will be modified by Earth's spin just as air currents are modified. If this is all happening inside a coil there will arise a current inside the coil dependent on the Coriolus force. As more electrons are accelerated their journey will add to the orbital current in the coil. What we have is initiation of a vortex current whereby conservation of energy laws are maintained. We are storing the kicks potential energy in the inertial frame of the coil. This current has now got it's own inertial frame going relative to the Earth. There will be exchange of potential energy between the coil and the Earth. The massive inertial frame of the Earth trying to bring the coil current back into it's spin momentum. Counter emf.
If we route this potential energy exchange whereby the counter emf energy is redirected in such a manner as to accelerate the current instead of diminishing it we get potential energy from the Earth flowing into the coil. Lenz law does not take into account the ambient or aether potential energy. Counter emf is not a direct result of forward impressed emf otherwise we could not have a current at all. Counter emf is generated by the aether potential.
Quote from: sparks on March 15, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
@local joe
Sorry I was talking about pi. There is orbital inertia. A harmonious capture of potential energy. There is vibrational harmonious capture of potential energy.
I like the circle. :D
@ Sparks i like the word
ORBITAL but i do perfer
ORBIT AND I LIKE IT EVEN MORE WHEN I CALL IT THE
THE
IST 720 ORBIT just a simple dwg 4 u all
isteam!! 8)
Quote from: innovation_station on March 15, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: sparks on March 15, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
@local joe
Sorry I was talking about pi. There is orbital inertia. A harmonious capture of potential energy. There is vibrational harmonious capture of potential energy.
I like the circle. :D
@ Sparks i like the word ORBITAL but i do perfer ORBIT AND I LIKE IT EVEN MORE WHEN I CALL IT THE
THE IST 720 ORBIT
just a simple dwg 4 u all
isteam!! 8)
@ist
You pic looks quite like what I always envisioned a hydrogen atom would look like. :)
Hi Feynman and all,
Excellent find on the LTC6904. I see they also have a UK office and I emailed them to order a few.
I am wondering though, can you think of any way of being able to synchronise them?
I see they have an SPI and an I2c version. I will hook several in parallel to the SPI port on a pic micro and each one will have a separate SPEN connection so I can control each oscillator separately. But getting them synchronised could be a problem?!
There is an Output Enable pin, so these pins on each oscillator could be taken high at the right moments by a micro controller in order to synchronise each of the oscillators!
Regards,
Dave.
Added: They also sell that at Farnell UK! http://uk.farnell.com/1432106/semiconductors/product.us0?sku=LINEAR-TECHNOLOGY-LTC6903IMS8PBF&_requestid=179712
Quote from: CTG Labs on March 17, 2008, 01:34:30 PM
Hi Feynman and all,
Excellent find on the LTC6904. I see they also have a UK office and I emailed them to order a few.
I am wondering though, can you think of any way of being able to synchronise them?
I see they have an SPI and an I2c version. I will hook several in parallel to the SPI port on a pic micro and each one will have a separate SPEN connection so I can control each oscillator separately. But getting them synchronised could be a problem?!
There is an Output Enable pin, so these pins on each oscillator could be taken high at the right moments by a micro controller in order to synchronise each of the oscillators!
Regards,
Dave.
Added: They also sell that at Farnell UK! http://uk.farnell.com/1432106/semiconductors/product.us0?sku=LINEAR-TECHNOLOGY-LTC6903IMS8PBF&_requestid=179712
Hi Dave,
There is no need to sync them up. Use the output enable to create a window for the 3 chordic frequencies to fire against the coil or coils. The heterodyning will happen as long as the window is left open. Then close the window change the freqs to another chordic harmonic and let that fire.
The event can be 3 freqs on 1 coil or 3 freqs on 3 coils.
The heterodyning happens anyway.
--giantkiller.
@Gk
I posted this in the tesla fourm a few days agoÃ, http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg82942.html#msg82942 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg82942.html#msg82942)
Im replicating 568177 now and was wondering if you could tell me if im way off or on the right track.Ã, I see the same things your saying and its funny cause i posted the freakin pat for distribution like my second week here in one of the tpu threads... Logically one would have to be brain dead to not see the similarties in the devices. But anyways you always explain things in terms is seem to understand so i figured id ask. As well i made a nice analogy about a guitar string and the tension on it being a factor for it resonate qulaties.
In english if the string isnt tightentd how is it going to vibrate when pluked.... Arama went on to support it and i see the tension variable in the string as being voltage. The lc has to be "tightend" to a proper voltage before plucked.Ã, This could be wrong but i drew a flow chart as close as i could to the pic in the patent and figured you might be able to help.Ã, If your busy i understand. :)Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã,Â
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PS
(i got an ebow as a present from my dad last week.. its freakin cool.) It made me think hey.. were plucking a lc to resonate a secondary winding at a given interval to maintain the ac.Ã, What if we implimented something like the ebow to maintain the string resonating ? Yea it takes a little battery but if im getting this right the oscilations inthe secondary are producing the power. If we had a way to let them maintain themselves on there own... Heres my idea for it.
Bring motor up to speed>> Motor starts peridocly making and breaking connection via rotary gap>>>Ã, Primary Working circuitÃ, LC consisting of the cap and coil M is now being plucked at the proper interval to yeild power in the secondary>>>>Implment EBOW to maintain oscilations in the Primary Working Circuit>>>>>> Take power from secondaryÃ, ;D
This could be way off but is possible ?
@ local joe
I think Tesla's spark gap has alot to do with both the tpu and his transformer. The spark gap current oscillates or is damped by the magnetic field of the Earth. You want to quench a spark on say a dc relay. You install a blow out coil. Anyway the high mass primary is resonanting with the low mass secondary and the whole system is resonating with the Earth mag field. The voltage builds in charge seperation until the dielectric of the field breaks down. Not alot of radiant energy just a big ole capacitor chargingup. His input power is conserved in the oscillator itself which is also the standing wave/cylinder relative to the Earth.
Quote from: Localjoe on March 17, 2008, 02:50:02 PM
@Gk
I posted this in the tesla fourm a few days ago http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg82942.html#msg82942 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg82942.html#msg82942)
Im replicating 568177 now and was wondering if you could tell me if im way off or on the right track. I see the same things your saying and its funny cause i posted the freakin pat for distribution like my second week here in one of the tpu threads... Logically one would have to be brain dead to not see the similarties in the devices. But anyways you always explain things in terms is seem to understand so i figured id ask. As well i made a nice analogy about a guitar string and the tension on it being a factor for it resonate qulaties.
In english if the string isnt tightentd how is it going to vibrate when pluked.... Arama went on to support it and i see the tension variable in the string as being voltage. The lc has to be "tightend" to a proper voltage before plucked. This could be wrong but i drew a flow chart as close as i could to the pic in the patent and figured you might be able to help. If your busy i understand. :)
Thanks again,
Joe
PS
(i got an ebow as a present from my dad last week.. its freakin cool.) It made me think hey.. were plucking a lc to resonate a secondary winding at a given interval to maintain the ac. What if we implimented something like the ebow to maintain the string resonating ? Yea it takes a little battery but if im getting this right the oscilations inthe secondary are producing the power. If we had a way to let them maintain themselves on there own... Heres my idea for it.
Bring motor up to speed>> Motor starts peridocly making and breaking connection via rotary gap>>> Primary Working circuit LC consisting of the cap and coil M is now being plucked at the proper interval to yeild power in the secondary>>>>Implment EBOW to maintain oscilations in the Primary Working Circuit>>>>>> Take power from secondary ;D
This could be way off but is possible ?
Don't know if you've seen this but the exactness you are looking for is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431)
Straight off the Tesla patent # 381970 and it appears in patent #390721. Everything you need to wreak havoc.
Connect it up anyway you want to experiment with. You'll get more than an elbow.
It has been over a year now and is finally getting some air time.
--giantkiller. Have fun.
@GK
I hope you know that it wasent a leading question ;) and i did smack myself once in the head after realizing what you responded with. Your first video always stuck with me. And otto's comments about "rising the voltage" also ring true in a different light.
Anyways thanks ;D
Joe
More real than the noise elsewhere, eh?
I just got back from the supermarket and saw the latest glamour magazine titled 'TPU exposed in public'. ::)
--giantkiller.
I heard someting was litteraly exposed in the mall. And it wasent the acctual price of an unactivated cell phone.. (300 bucks for some models... ::) )
Speaking of exposure watched one of the videos again and picked out some things that now make more sense
Here are 3 pics which i feel important i made screen caps to grab em.
Tpu post - shows the separation of one quadrant of the coils and you can see the diameter of the outer wire if you look close he wound his electrical tape a bit tight :) If we can find a reference frame there of like a window or something with known declensions we can find the exact size of that wire ;D Also you can see one annulus ring enclosed on itself. the binding posts are attached to it.
Second pic TPU bump shows a good angle that lets one see that there is a coil on the bottom. the bump is at the base of the wooden particle board.
Thrid pic shows the light dip like its bending in the middle a little also i "heard" the saw blade hit 2 iron rings on its way through as well as some wood in the middle..
So here is what I propose
This tpu in this construction is made of 2 of tesla's "ring transformers" shown below stacked on each other with a wooden ring in between them . Thoughts?
Quote from: Localjoe on March 20, 2008, 05:14:11 PM
So here is what I propose
This tpu in this construction is made of 2 of tesla's "ring transformers" shown below stacked on each other with a wooden ring in between them . Thoughts?
Well as easy as it was to cut through I had posted expanding foam. The cutaway showed close to this with a lower and upper coil of what looks like lamp wire. Very easily driven as 2 multiple loop Helmholtzs. The center coils are the feedback to a VCO. These are another set of parameters to the BFG.
Or 4 ozone generator coils in a ring.
--giantkiller.
GK,
Yea the foam is more probable you right it was quick. There were two secenes of them cuttign the first one stops aberuptly after you hear the blade ting off the first ring. The guy had a pair of dykes in his hand in the second scene to cut what he couldnt. I really think that he used closed iron cores the big one. The coil shape is dam near perfect youd have to be winding on something that was cylindrical to have it look like that in the end.
There is no iron core! He cuts through it in seconds with a jigsaw, then there is a lone wire at the end which he grabs some wire cutters to cut with.
With the smaller versions he tells us the weight, too light for an iron core.
You can clearly see that he has cut a wooden ring out and this helps the shape to be nice and round, in fact he tells us as much. Plus someone places a magnet around the outside of the large version and it does not stick.
You can clearly see 9 piece of thick mains cable from top to bottom when the slice is removed. Probably then 3 collectors with 3 turns each.
I would love to see a jigsaw that could cut through an iron ring in 5 seconds!
In the video, regarding the large 17inch unit it can clearly be heard, 3 coils round the ring, there is no metal, just wood. Why we have to go over this again and again and again!
D.
I have uploaded some pics into the download selection.
There will be more but i need to spread the pics over 5mb folders.
As for the cut to piece unit the pics are here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get18 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get18)
M.
@gk You got any magnets in use? Posted below in Jack whatevers thread.
I think the permanent magnets serve the same purpose as a magnet in a speaker does. It is the reference magnetic field. A saturable core reactor controls the high power circuits by changing the magnetic flux of the core. This way a very small dc input can control a very large ac current. So the magnetic field of the pms set the reference flux of the sensor winding. Any change in this flux field is going to be sensed by the coil. So now the system knows what magnetic flux is doing in the aether. I am sure that these magnets are not the kind Mythbusters clown with but are matched to the gauss of the Earth's magnetic field. Now you know what the aether energy is doing so you can phase lock on it. Amplify this input and make the larger windings react in phase with the aether.
@local joe
Say this thing is set up like a solenoid. But unlike a solenoid the armature doesn't move but is in fact a wave guide. Kick windings radio transmitter-core winding receiver. No magnetic inducement just radio transmission of power. The outside windings need to radiate so they are set up like a coaxial oscillator. The receiver is set up as a coaxial wave guide. The magnetic field of the outside winding doesn't get to the inside receiver and the magnetic field of the receiver doesnt get back out to the outside winding. You can light a fluorescent bulb by wrapping it with a kicker winding and transmitting power into it no magnetic field involved at all.
The outside of the tpu presents itself to the aether as a vortex ring or smoke ring that is spinning. Just how potential energy flows on the interface of the kicker windings is still up in the air at least in my mind.
@sparks
Radio transmissions have both an electric and a magnetic field. When the magnetic field of a radio transmission passes through an antenna, or coil in our case, a small current is induced. In the case where there is a ferrite core, the magnetic fields of both the outer transmission coil and the inner receiver coil will be drawn toward the ferrite core. As the magnetic field of the outer coil passes through the inner coil as it goes toward the ferrite core, a current will be induced in the inner receiver coil. However, as the magnetic field from the inner coil is also drawn toward the ferrite core, the amount of magnetic field passing through the outer coil from the inner coil will be very small, causing little or no effect on the outer coil. In other words, there are magnetic fields involved in the radio transmission of power.
Drossen
Hi Drossen,
Magnetic fields emanate from mass? There is no mass in space for magnetic fields to emanate from and magnetic fields cannot exist on their own?
How then a magnetic field exists in space in order for a radio wave to "induce a small current in the receiving antenna".
Thanks,
Dave.
I work for the Signal Exploitation and Geolocation Division at Southwest Research Institute. We work with radio equipment, and know more about radio transmition than most people do. We know that there is a magnetic field component to radio waves. We design and build very sophisticated antennas for various applications. So, in simple terms, I will explain what a radio wave is. A radio wave consist of both electric and magnetic fields. They are electrons which have been thrown off of a broadcast antenna in an oscillating manner. The main oscillating frequency is the carrier frequency, and additional modulation is placed on top of that to provide the data. Another thing I wish to point out is that electrons have mass and so are able to travel in space, provided it is able to get through the different layers of the earths ionosphere. Now, this is a very simplified explanation of radio transmissions, if you want to know more, there are plenty of books you may read.
Drossen
Thank you Drossen! Someone who is an expert and can finally answer my question!
Surely you are not telling me electrons come off the antenna!
So, electrons slosh back and forth, a radio signal consisting of electric and magnetic fields at 90 degrees is emitted from the antenna.
My question is, in the vacuum of space, there is no mass. Magnetic fields are created by mass, they are supported by mass. They cannot exist on their own. So what is happening in space with a radio wave? How the magnetic and electric fields are able to travel in space?
I am NOT saying you are wrong by any means. I am simply asking the question. I studied electronics engineering for several years at college and I am also a radio HAM. I can find no books to answer this question and none of the so called experts at the radio club are able to answer it so I am just looking for an answer.
Regards,
Dave.
You have no proof of this and are assuming the existence of the Aether which was just invented out of thin air to explain how light and radio waves travel in a vacuum.
Regards,
D.
Quote from: Chef on March 21, 2008, 11:12:21 AM
Quote from: CTG Labs on March 21, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Hi Drossen,
Magnetic fields emanate from mass? There is no mass in space for magnetic fields to emanate from and magnetic fields cannot exist on their own?
It's already there everywhere. Not just in earth,but in the whole universe.
When we sending signals with radio, we just disturbing.
My appologies. You believe all space is permeated by a magnetic field which we are able to perturb? Interesting...
Quote from: Drossen on March 21, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
@sparks
Radio transmissions have both an electric and a magnetic field. When the magnetic field of a radio transmission passes through an antenna, or coil in our case, a small current is induced. In the case where there is a ferrite core, the magnetic fields of both the outer transmission coil and the inner receiver coil will be drawn toward the ferrite core. As the magnetic field of the outer coil passes through the inner coil as it goes toward the ferrite core, a current will be induced in the inner receiver coil. However, as the magnetic field from the inner coil is also drawn toward the ferrite core, the amount of magnetic field passing through the outer coil from the inner coil will be very small, causing little or no effect on the outer coil. In other words, there are magnetic fields involved in the radio transmission of power.
Drossen
Why does a radio wave need a magnetic field inducement to radiate? The charge oscillation is the effect felt from afar not the magnetic field assumed to be traveling with the wave. Sure once the oscillation interacts with the mass of the receiving antennae there will be a magnetic field because the mass of the antennae is soaking up the potential energy of the radio wave and adding to it's inertial frame.
What does the oscllation consist of then?
D.
Quote from: sparks on March 21, 2008, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: Drossen on March 21, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
@sparks
Radio transmissions have both an electric and a magnetic field. When the magnetic field of a radio transmission passes through an antenna, or coil in our case, a small current is induced. In the case where there is a ferrite core, the magnetic fields of both the outer transmission coil and the inner receiver coil will be drawn toward the ferrite core. As the magnetic field of the outer coil passes through the inner coil as it goes toward the ferrite core, a current will be induced in the inner receiver coil. However, as the magnetic field from the inner coil is also drawn toward the ferrite core, the amount of magnetic field passing through the outer coil from the inner coil will be very small, causing little or no effect on the outer coil. In other words, there are magnetic fields involved in the radio transmission of power.
Drossen
Why does a radio wave need a magnetic field inducement to radiate? The charge oscillation is the effect felt from afar not the magnetic field assumed to be traveling with the wave. Sure once the oscillation interacts with the mass of the receiving antennae there will be a magnetic field because the mass of the antennae is soaking up the potential energy of the radio wave and adding to it's inertial frame.
Indeed. However this is still an assumption. If there is magnetic field every where, why we cannot detect it.
I am waiting for our radio expert to explain. And I do not mean that in any derogatory fashion, I am simply looking for the view of current science about this.
It just seems to me that whoever I ask they skirt about the answer rather than just admit there is a problem!
D.
I am on Mars!
If you are in space, can you detect a magnetic field all around? If no, then I do not see how you theory works!
D.
It seems to me both sides are right . . .
We are completely permeated with EM energy, it's everywhere to ends of universe. However, there are topological differences between B-field, E-field, and A-potential although they are all manifestations of same underlying mathematics.
@ctglabs
The magnetic feild of the earth interacts with the sun and other planets......... if you were to do a magnetic "topo-map\feildlines" of our galaxy youd see much more than one thought. Theres alot going on wiht this in the cosmology feild.
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Actually, the movement of mass is not what creates the magnetic field, it is the movement of electrons that generates the magnetic field. Now, I wish to point out that mass is the amount of matter and energy an object or particle is equivalent to, it is not weight. As I said before, electrons have mass, just like a ball has mass. If you throw a ball in space it will travel. If you shoot electrons in space, they will travel. Remember, the movement of electrons creates a magnetic field, so when the electron moves through space a magnetic field will be present. Matter and energy do exist in the vacuum of space, the vacuum of space is not a perfect vacuum. Electromagnetic waves do not need air, or any other form of matter to travel. In fact, the presence of matter only slows the propagation speed, and reduces the distance the waves can travel. In general, the more dense the matter, the faster the wave strength attenuates. In the vacuum of space, the particles of matter are very sparse, providing virtually no resistance to the propagation of the electromagnetic waves, which allows these waves to travel great distances, at speeds approaching the speed of light.
Drossen
@ Drossen
SWRI? I suppose you know my good friend Dr. David Winningham?
Oh - in case you see him, I am Randall Steward.
Dr. Winningham works in the Space Science and Engineering Department, which is in the building across the street from ours. I have never met him though.
Drossen
@Drossen: Yes!
The electron mass is interchangable with the frequency. They are identical in quantum electrodynamics.
Wave amplitude of the electron:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quantummatter.com%2Farticles_html%2Fef2.gif&hash=5399c2a154fc7f874b6a07d8979033a65af4e7cb)
QuoteFigure 1. Electron Structure. The upper diagram shows a cross-section of the spherical wave structure, something like the layers of an onion. It is comprised of an inward moving wave and an outward moving wave. The two waves combine to form a single dynamic standing wave structure with its center as the nominal location of the electron. Note that the amplitude of a quantum wave is a scalar number, not an electromagnetic vector. Thus these waves are part of quantum theory, not electric theory. At the center the quantum wave amplitude (and the electric potential) is finite, not infinite, in agreement with the observed electron (Wolff, 1995). The lower diagram shows the same quantum wave amplitude plotted along a radius outwards from the electron center. The lower diagram is a 'slice' from the upper diagram.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quantummatter.com%2Farticles_html%2Fef3.gif&hash=9860b5507559e84f9cf637e5d7df1a4057381cd5)
QuoteFigure 2. Radial Plot of the Electron Structure. When the IN and OUT quantum waves combine they form a standing wave. This detailed plot, the same as the approximate lower plot of Fig. 1 above, corresponds exactly to the equations below. The envelope of the wave amplitude matches the Coulomb potential everywhere except at the center, where it is not infinite in agreement with the observations of Lamb and Retherford. If the electron were moving and observed by another detector atom with relative velocity v, the deBroglie wavelength appears as a Doppler effect on both waves. The frequency mc2/h of the waves was first proposed by Schroedinger and deBroglie, proportional to the mass of the electron. This frequency is the mass so that mass measurements are actually frequency measurements. There is no mass 'substance' in nature
http://www.quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_spin.html (http://www.quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_spin.html)
Nature abhors a vaccum.
You will not likely find one. A vaccum is perceived by the lack of knowledge to explain what is not understood.
--giantkiller
Looks like all you TPU guys are proved right by pure quantum mechanics. Throw the standard model in the trash can. Physics can be rebuilt entirely with waves.
"The simplest resonance is the electron whose mathematical physical structure is exactly known. Electron waves (comprising all charged particles) extend to infinity serving as the 'communicator' of the natural laws. In contrast, the hadrons exist in a closed, high density region of high-frequency waves analogous to waves inside a drum or a hollow sphere. No one is sure. It is thought that the many modes of possible vibration in the closed space correspond to the many types of hadron particles. All the qualitative properties point to this conclusion. But no mathematical solutions of these 3D wave modes have been investigated. Mathematicians, please rise to the challenge!"
and
"When seeking origins, it is important not to inadvertently use existing laws to deduce themselves. Although the quantum laws of quantum particles can be extrapolated to large macro-objects, the inverse is not possible. Such circular reasoning can occur if, for example, an e-m field or mechanical model from macro-physics is assumed to be the structure of a quantum particle. Logically, finding the origins of existing laws requires forming new concepts that nevertheless satisfy observed data. It is a major result of this article to further deduce that most of the natural laws originate from the properties of the quantum waves of the charged particles (electron, proton,etc) , and the properties of the space (ether, vacuum,etc.) which is formed from the totality of all those particle quantum waves. One such effect is already known as Mach's Principle which asserts that inertia is a result of an inertial reference frame established by all matter in the universe. "
Now we are starting to use the same language sparks!
http://quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_point.html
PS
"The discovery of these origins from the work of this article creates a radical new picture of the physical world: quantum mechanics and relativity are in a sense united, origins of forces are understood, puzzles and paradoxes are explained and, most important, relationships between microphysics (electrons and particles) and the universe (cosmology) are seen to be a result of an all-pervading "space" (the vacuum or ether) filled with oscillating quantum (particle) waves.
The reader should be aware that he is evaluating a new basic proposal that all natural science results from just three assumptions about the properties of space. "
PPS
"Nobel laureate Paul Dirac, who developed much of the theory describing the quantum waves of the electron, was never satisfied with its point-particle character because the Coulomb electron required a mathematical correction termed "renormalization". In 1937, he wrote, "This is just not sensible mathematics. Sensible mathematics involves neglecting a quantity when it turns out to be small ? not neglecting it because it is infinitely large and you do not want it! ""
Okay so that theory I posted is pretty good, but it's got some problems.
http://www.quantummatter.com/
Wolf's 'Space Resonance' Quantum Electrodynamics
Advantages:
simplifies everything into waves
works on QED, special relativity, and classical laws
eliminates the 'renormalization' shell-game
elegant, compelling beauty
Disadvantages:
does not explain "accelerating" universe
does not account for dark energy or dark matter
does not account for broken symmetry
(...but then again, neither does the standard model. )
We can probably modify Wolf's theory. It's definitely way better foundation than the standard model.
The Earth the big electron. The mass spinning at the poles is way less then the mass spinning at the Equator. Two cyclones back to back. With the mass low pressure area's at the poles. But as pointed out the electron's potential energy field is pulsating and spinning. So most likely is the Earth's. The Earth's electrons have angular momentum hence the magnetic dipole but the massless potential energy held in resonant frequencies could be a whole nother scene. There could well be a highfrequency voltage field pulsating and spinning which is why the Earth spins to begin with. Betya the wavelength has something in common with the spherical diameter of the Earth and or it's shock front the magnetosphere.
particles are standing waves... where are you going with that? how can a standing wave move? for it to move, the physical entity that carries constraints causing the standing wave should move instead. but what is that physical entity that moves and is able to sustain standing wave? this isn't going anywhere: you should not talk about standing waves without giving a clue of why it is standing, what supports its state of standing. not to mention that there are no self-sustaining standing waves in mechanics: you may of course pretend an infinitely massive surrounding that causes wave to bounce inside it without energy losses. but then again, if standing wave is surrounded by something, isn't it easier to deal with its surrounding directly?
probably calling it a perturbation within a state-space scalar field could be more correct.
Standing waves are just scalar waves, right? These do exist. That part does not bother me in this theory so much as the finite amplitude of the Wolf's electron scalar wave.
Aleks I agree with you. Wolf is more accurately describing a perturbation theory in state space. I mean, technically, regular QED is a perturbation theory of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum. I think Wolf theory has problems. I also have alot of questions. But perhaps this is a new way to think of building quantum theory using only waves. Dirac, Einstein, and Schroedinger all did not believe QED results were particles.
Anyway, what I found really interesting was this (Doppler shift of the IN/OUT scalar waves):
A. Properties of a Moving Space Resonance.
Quantum mechanics and special relativity seem unrelated, but they have one feature in common: Both laws depend on the relative velocity between two particles. Therefore, we should investigate the interaction of two space resonances in relative motion. One SR may be thought of as a source interacting with the other SR, as an absorber or observer.
Consider two SRs moving with relative velocity b = v/c. Each receives the same Doppler shifted waves from the other. They are symmetrical. Their IN waves are red-shifted and their OUT waves are blue-shifted according to the usual Doppler factors, g(1+b) and g(1-b) which shift frequency and wavelength.
The received amplitude of each SR is the sum of Doppler-shifted IN and OUT waves which reduces to, AMP = shifted {AMPIN + AMPOUT } = (2/r) eikg(ct + br) sin[kg(bct + r)] (8)
Equation (8) is composed of an exponential carrier wave modulated by a sine function. The relativistic term, g = [1- (v/c)2]-1/2 , occurs properly to match experimental observation. It is a result of the Doppler effect on the combined IN and OUT waves. These matching results are:
The parameters of the exponential oscillator are:
wavelength = h/gmv = deBroglie wavelength, L.
frequency = kgc/(2 pi) = gmc2/h = mass-energy frequency.
velocity = c/b = phase velocity.
The parameters of the sine function are:
wavelength = h/gmc = Compton wavelength.
frequency = gmc2 b/h = b x (mass frequency) = "momentum frequency".
velocity = bc = v = relative velocity of the two resonances.
The above matching results are remarkable! They clearly show the origin of mass increase and quantum mechanics in the wave structure of matter. It is instructive to compare Equation (8) for moving electrons with Equation (2) for a stationary electron. They are of the same form but (8) contains the velocity b = v/c and the related quantum and relativistic properties for moving particles.
http://quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_point.html
So I agree this is not a final theory or anything, but perhaps it is a way forward out of the particle swamp.
Quote from: Feynman on March 21, 2008, 09:02:05 PMStanding waves are just scalar waves, right? These do exist.
Standing wave is not a scalar wave. Standing wave is caused by reflections and by interference of propagating waves. For standing wave to exist, energy should be emitted continously or existing energy should be bounced around without much energy losses (this is how IBM slows down the light). Beside that scalar wave is a purely hypothetical wave from what I've read. Well, in my own hypothesis of 'DC acoustic waves' the DC acoustic wave I also call 'wave', but in practice it is more of a force formation best expressed as a 'bump' in scalar field of global gravity force. It is in no way a standing wave, because it is not a wave - it does not oscillate when in penetrates the space: only its intensity (and thus reach) can oscillate. So, it is another type of wave that cannot be called longitudinal nor transversal. Probably it could be said that DC waves penetrate space whereas longitudinal and transversal waves propagate through space.
I'm myself very wary of wave functions that oscillate from positive to negative. Nature likes -6dB/oct energy roll-off toward higher frequencies. What I usually see in wave functions is a band-limited sinc function whose roll-off is infinite after the cutoff point. This is surreal. If math guys used a -6dB/oct after the cutoff point, the wave function would never change its sign and could look more like a gaussian curve for any particle.
In heterodyning there are waves constantly moving outward. but at certain distances there are increases in power due to harmonics matching up. These increases 'stand still' just like atomic shells. By tuning the associated freqs one can move the shell or make it stronger. More electrons?
It looks like in this shell there is maximum amout of energy just like when electrons jump to the next permissble shell from a resident shell. I didn't measure the distances in my tests but at ratio wise there should be some correlation.
Vortexes also show up when an object moves through a viscous material. Some of the material is dragged along with the moving object. We all know this. So why when the medium or labels changes should the rules change? ;D
In the sm17, the two rings are fired in opposite directions to cause the surrounding magnetic fields to either exit or enter perpendicular at the sides of the device. With the right frequencies the heterodyned results can rotate in either direction to cause a vortex thereby pulling electrons in. Then the TPU looks like virtual hydrogen atom using magnetic fields. 8) The closer the device looks like a galactic, solar or planetary expression the closer the ease of operation becomes. This is the only place I won't buck the norm. The Aurora Borealis is a resultant expectancy of the energy entering the poles.
When the rings are fired in the same direction there is an opposing clash of fields between the rings. High energy ejects perendicularly.
--giantkiller. Same rules, different place. ;)
@gk
Making partial electrons is a bitch. ::) Your radiant freqs have to hetrodyne with the reflected freqs. constructively. Mother nature gives them a spinor resonance so it is best that we do. But we don't want mother nature to take over and create a big old electron on our bench top cause E=MC2.
Quote from: sparks on March 23, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
Ã, @gk
Ã, Ã, Making partial electrons is a bitch. ::)Ã, Your radiant freqs have to hetrodyne with the reflected freqs. constructively. Mother nature gives them a spinor resonance so it is best that we do. But we don't want mother nature to take over and create a big old electron on our bench top cause E=MC2.Ã,Â
Have ya looked at pythagoras or PHI you really should ;D http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit3/unit3.html (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit3/unit3.html)Ã, http://www.championtrees.org/yarrow/phi/phi4.htm (http://www.championtrees.org/yarrow/phi/phi4.htm)
think of two spiral waves going up the sides of an equlatteral triangale.Ã, when the smack at the top there upward momentum still carries them upward but the sideways hit sways the diamater of the emmision. If done on a sphere same concept two waves hit projet outword or inward depending on vector spins and emit a scalar beam as youd have it.. If Gk makes one of these with a confined beam mabey we could have three or so and focus them into a tetrahedron crystal.Ã, This crystal is special because it will accept light from wahtever angle and focus it to one point , kinda like a multiplexer. .. But now we need the inverse to demodulate .. and the range id imagine it would be huge
Drossen, good to have you on board. Be careful what you say or you'll discredit yourself quickly. It's not electrons escaping from the antenna that carry the waves, but the nature of the "aether" or space time fabric and the ripples that get created in it.
@Feynmen
QuoteThe electron mass is interchangable with the frequency. They are identical in quantum electrodynamics.
Thanks for the plots and insights, I have to say though, I was big on learning quantum mechanics and bought some of Feynman's books (including the QED book) and another MIT book on intro to quantum mechanics and read quite a bit, and I got turned off a bit.
For one thing, they say that objects in motion have a frequency, and after learning how the experiments were done I realized what is happening. If you hit a crystal with subatomic particles, you are disturbing a matrix of OSCILLATORS, and yes you will see oscillations. Their folly, in my opinion is to assume the oscillations were a property of the MOVING PROJECTILES, AND NOT THE TARGET. How can this be I thought. I haven't read in detail the pro and con arguments, but it seemed fishy to me in retrospect, and that might just be it. In retrospect things look different, but when you actually do the experiments, you don't know much and you just assume the obvious.
Along the same lines, mathematically you can do a Furrier transform and show a particular shape is composed of a series of pure sine waves with varying phases and amplitudes. Is this however PROOF we are nothing more than a bunch of WAVES? I don't think so. To me matter is matter, and waves are waves, two separate phenomena, which brings me to the famous experiments showing duality.
So once again, IN RETROSPECT, we now know why this is occurring and know about such things as electromagnetic radiation and phases and antenna arrays, etc., and it's not so much of a mystery in the double slit experiments with electron beams, etc.. Electrons are charged and are accompanied by EM fields and when they hit an electromagnetic resonant structure, it's the structure that causes the interference.
Anyway, these are my views, and I'm not an expert in any quantum stuff, I'm just an antenna engineer who's been caught in the TPU mire :)
EM
@EMDevices
Thanks for the warning. It has been my understanding that when signal power is applied to an antenna, some of that power is radiated. That radiated power has both voltage and current. Current is the movement of electrons, thus it was my understanding that electrons are emitted from the antenna. This is my line of thought. Also, I don't consider myself an "expert", there are physicists and other scientists where I work that have much more knowledge and experience than I do. The knowledge I have about antennas, and signal propagation comes from classes the Signal Exploitation and Geolocation Division at SwRI teaches their engineers, as well as through the experience I have gained working on various projects and internal research. Also, I only have less than three years experience in this field, and am still learning.
Drossen
A common misunderstanding...even many EEs don't understand current and EM radiation. First of all, understand that while current is a measure of electron movement, the electrons are moving extremely slowly. EM energy, on the other hand, moves at the speed of light. The antenna radiates photons, which can be thought of as EM field disturbances.
You can make antennas which have high voltage and low current, or low voltage and high current. You can still have a large power transfer by picking up the high voltage (E-field) at the receiver, then pumping a current through the receiving antenna. The properly tuned antenna will perform the same function without the need for a current source.
omnispace
Thanks Omnispace!
So we know that photons leave the antenna, EM radiation.
So my question still stands? Moving electrons cause magnetic fields, and the changing fields causes an electric field.
In space, near vacuum, no matter is present. The photons travel through space. How the magnetic and electric fields can exist in space?
There is no matter, in this case an electron to move and create a magnetic field. Electric fields can only exist between two charged particles? The photons have no charge.
Is then the photon then able to continually create the needed magnetic/electric fields in empty space with no other matter around?
Thanks,
Dave.
Quote from: omnispace on March 24, 2008, 10:08:16 AM
A common misunderstanding...even many EEs don't understand current and EM radiation. First of all, understand that while current is a measure of electron movement, the electrons are moving extremely slowly. EM energy, on the other hand, moves at the speed of light. The antenna radiates photons, which can be thought of as EM field disturbances.
You can make antennas which have high voltage and low current, or low voltage and high current. You can still have a large power transfer by picking up the high voltage (E-field) at the receiver, then pumping a current through the receiving antenna. The properly tuned antenna will perform the same function without the need for a current source.
omnispace
The following is a quote from wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon):
QuoteIn physics, the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena. It is the carrier of electromagnetic radiation of all wavelengths, including gamma rays, X-rays, ultraviolet light, visible light, infrared light, microwaves, and radio waves. The photon differs from many other elementary particles, such as the electron and the quark, in that it has zero rest mass;[3] therefore, it travels (in a vacuum) at the speed of light, c. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties (?wave?particle duality?).
I hope this helps answer your question CTG Labs.
Drossen
@CTG Labs
You probably know what my answer is but you are definitely asking the right question. The emwave in low mass fields has a very negligibe magnetic field associated with it. You get the magnetic effect and I mean effect not force when charge and mass of one field are relative to charge and mass of another field.
So to simplify my answer: there is no magnetic field associated with the massless emwave in a hypothetical vacuum. It is not an electromagnetic wave and should be called an electrodynamic wave.
Quotethere is no magnetic field associated with the massless emwave in a hypothetical vacuum. It is not an electromagnetic wave and should be called an electrodynamic wave.
I'm not sure why I'm letting myself get pulled into this, but the above statement is not correct. there is a magnetic field.
If you guys want to understand EM waves there's plenty resources on the internet. E fields are not generated only by charges, but by time changing magnetic fields as well. One form has a finite divergence the other does not (forms loops). so once the waves are radiated off of an antenna, the magnetic field induces the electric field and in turn the electric field induces the magnetic field, and so they keep each other going and propagating out in space.
EM
GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Drossen, thank you for you reply, I am aware of the information you provided. I by no means consider myself an expert, but you apparently are but do not seem to actually "see" my question! (no offence intended)
@Sparks, thank you, some who seems to understand my question! Your info starts to explain things better than my books!
@EMDevices! "so once the waves are radiated off of an antenna, the magnetic field induces the electric field and in turn the electric field induces the magnetic field, and so they keep each other going and propagating out in space." YES! BUT! How can the magnetic field or an electric field exist in space? Can I ask you to place yourself outside the earths atmosphere and ask how a magnetic field can exist in space to create an electric field and how an electric field can exist in space when there are no charged particles of matter?
A photon (as are all particles) are waves and particles depending on measurement/observation point. So the photon IS the wave OR the photon creates the magnetic field? HOW the magnetic field can exist in empty space?
Or we need to start considering the quantum vacuum to explain how this wave propogates.
Need I say that the Aether was "invented from thin air" to explain how these waves can exist in a space devoid of mass?! The mathmatical theories that we use today were written assuming this? Then the Aether was disproven (static aether anyway) by M & M over 100 years ago, but the theory of the waves remains the same?!
I am sorry to go on guys, perhaps I am just thick and should keep my comments to myself?
Thanks to all.
Dave.
Quote from: EMdevices on March 24, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
One form has a finite divergence the other does not (forms loops).
EM, you are saying that a magnetic field can form a closed loop and support itself in space and so exist seperate to any mass?
Hmmm!
D.
QuoteBUT! How can the magnetic field or an electric field exist in space?
Dave, I'm not sure what you guys are driving at or what the argument is specificaly, but I will say this,Ã, Ã, electric and magnetic fields can exist in space.Ã, Ã, Ã,Â
If the argument is to understand how they can exist at some fundamental level,Ã, I would say it's a distortion of the "aether" or spacetime continuam, sort of like a strain or stress in a elastic medium that can support shear strains as well. (not a liquid)
If we are trying to understand electromagnetic propagation, then yes that's what happens,Ã, the E fields generate the H fields and these generate E fields and so on, but the original starting point is currents moving on a conductor, so it starts with moving charges.Ã, Ã, If you're thinking that we can just have STATIONARY E fields and H fields, without any charges or currents, then that would not be possible,Ã, they have to propagate to exist, these are dynamic fields, not static.
EM
P.S.Ã, That's the miracle of the Maxwell equations Dave,Ã, the man discovered that the previous EM equations were not complete and consevation of charge was violated, so he added a term and made the equations more consitent, but then he discovered that mathematicaly they showed an electromagnetic wave can propagate with the speed of light equal to 1/sqrt(u e), which are just quantities measured in a lab, the permeability and permitivity.Ã, So you can imagine the excitement the man had when he realized what he discovered. The Michelson-Morley experiments on the movement of the eather, seemed to disprove it's existance, but whatever you call it, it's there, whether you call it space-time, vacum or whatever, it's the void of space and it has these electromagnetic properties which are captured by the Maxwell equations.
Quote from: CTG Labs on March 24, 2008, 01:16:11 PM...Then the Aether was disproven (static aether anyway)...
How about a dynamic aether? One that creates magnetic fields when it swirls around...B = curl(A)
Quote from: EMdevices on March 24, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
If the argument is to understand how they can exist at some fundamental level, I would say it's a distortion of the "aether" or spacetime continuam, sort of like a strain or stress in a elastic medium that can support shear strains as well. (not a liquit)
Hi EM,
Yes, personally I am trying to understand how it can be on a fundamental level. You say its a distortion of the Aether, so I take it your view is that you do not know the answer to my question either.
It is accepted that these fields exist, but we do not know how. This is what I am getting at! Yes, off topic I admit. But I cannot accept things without knowing HOW.
Your assumption of how they can work is the same as it was when we discovered waves, there must be an Aether, even though it was disproved, we still assume it to be with EM waves!
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: omnispace on March 24, 2008, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: CTG Labs on March 24, 2008, 01:16:11 PM...Then the Aether was disproven (static aether anyway)...
How about a dynamic aether? One that creates magnetic fields when it swirls around...B = curl(A)
Yes! I guess my point here is that the experts can never explain it and try to avoid the answer by skirting round it. Rather than admit we don't really know, they pretend not to understand the question and like politicians give an answer which doesn't really answer your question! No offence to anyone here!
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: EMdevices on March 24, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
P.S. That's the miracle of the Maxwell equations Dave, the man discovered that the previous EM equations were not complete and consevation of charge was violated, so he added a term and made the equations more consitent, but then he discovered that mathematicaly they showed an electromagnetic wave can propagate with the speed of light equal to 1/sqrt(u e), which are just quantities measured in a lab, the permeability and permitivity. So you can imagine the excitement the man had when he realized what he discovered. The Michelson-Morley experiments on the movement of the eather, seemed to disprove it's existance, but whatever you call it, it's there, whether you call it space-time, vacum or whatever, it's the void of space and it has these electromagnetic properties which are captured by the Maxwell equations.
Now we get to the nity gritty!
Thanks,
Dave.
QuoteIt is accepted that these fields exist, but we do not know how. This is what I am getting at! Yes, off topic I admit. But I cannot accept things without knowing HOW. We cannot just accept math on paper.
I think I see what you're driving at :)
Well I don't know exactly how gravity is created but I design things based on it's OBSERVED BEHAVIOR. Same with Electromagnetics, Acoustics, etc.. etc..
I would say, these things are not just math on paper, it's observations which are described compactly by mathematical notation. (try explaining in words an exponential function), but the ultimate reality is the observation, the physics of it.
So math is only a tool, a type of "language" we use to describe observations and experiments we make.
But I will say this, progress has been made by mathematical manipulations in this regard. I test antennas and it's so reasuring to see a radiation patern come out close to what you calculated with algorithms and computers.
So if you want to know how it BEHAVES, I can help, if you want to know WHY it behaves like that, I can't realy help, nobody can except God (but he's not talking :).
EM
Hi EM,
I agree. It seems, as is heavily with Quantum Mechanics for example that we can only have a mathmatical theory which describes what we see. There is nothing in it which tells us WHY things are this way.
The WHY is the driving force behind why I have spent my entire life on this journey! But probably we will never know!
Anyway, I think I have stolen GKs thread away from him for long enough.
I wanted someone skilled in the arts to confirm to me that they can exist in space but we have no idea how to ensure I was not going mad. But ask any one outside of FE circles and they will not acknowledge the question and that really gets my goat!
Although and there is more! Does not our existing theories of magnetic fields require matter for them too exist and so our own theories preclude them from existing in space even though they do. Does this not tell us something is wrong? Thus why the notion of the Aether was invented, another example of fudging?
Regards to all,
Dave.
Einstein's dilemma, the photon the massless energy particle was observed being effected by mass. Special relativity was invented and promoted and all of a sudden mass warped spacetime but only if it was real big. Physicists have been propping up this deck of cards ever since.
--giantkiller.
Thread pullution I will post where applicable. I prefer a clean forum as well got keyboard happy hehe easily done and we all do it.
Off topic.
@ GK
Now I know you didn't use microsoft word for your below post.
It looks a little like Walter Russell's sex pairs. Back to Back cyclones. ::)
hey GK,
That's from Patrick Flanagan and I just read that whole chapter again yesterday, really slowly, so it would sink in. I must say as far as Vortex theories go, it's pretty hard to find fault with it. I even remarked to spherics today that his TPU theory reminded me of vortices ala Flanagan. I looked for a full file of this on the net in case I wanted to share it, but no luck.
tak
I posted below a pic that was from Acer's work. Again it shows the two twisters.
And another one not sure where I got this one.
Hello friends . This has been a theoretical weekend for me. Now back to reality.
John has successfully controlled a variable resistor from an Atmel microcontroller.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreeenergygroup.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F03%2Fmcu_march24.png&hash=dd0fee9ff3240b36f075e36e11490d476bf212af)
See
http://freenergygroup.com
I have succeeded in soldering four of the LTC6904s to their respective MSOP to DIP converter boards. This required assistance from a friend as well as approximately three beers to steady my hand. But this was success. I will post some pictures later. Next along these lines will be to attempt I2C connectivity.
Lastly, John has revised the draft microcontroller protocol I wrote. Here is the latest revised draft. This will allow all of us microcontroller researchers to use a common protocol and control any number of devices from the computer (digital oscillators, digital resistors, mechanical pots, whatever). This will be useful for TPU, resonance, and pulse charging research.
Draft Protocol Spec
http://freeenergygroup.com/?p=28
Cheers,
Feynman
@all
Some cool info on the music of the spheres and phi figured a good a short read for all. http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm
(http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm)
and some brogrolie wave refrences here http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm (http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm)
Joe
great so now i have a use for all those old boards...
have you tryed the atmel atmega 128 chip .... i hear you can find them all over the place ...
im sure i have a few laying around. i herd some where they are going to become verry cheep soon ....
ist
somthing new to try ..
so also thought i might aswell post this too.....
WHAT THE FLUX IS THIS ?!?!?!?!
great scott jumpin gigiawatts thats not a flux capicitor is it ?
ist
John and I are both using Atmega8... I am using an Arduino, which is basically an Atmega8 with built in USB interface for programming and control. I get them from http://sparkfun.com
I've also used the Atmega128 as something called a "Wiring Board". It's like an Arduino on crack. It's also very nice. Not as cheap as PIC, and not as fast as dsPIC, but much easier to program.
No idea on that picture! maybe it's really the flux capacitor...
@ i_s
That is an audio capacitor used for smoothing and increased power draw with large sub systems, usually around 12 volts 1 farad.
@ sparks
The first photo shown is a diagram from Walter Russels work, and is quite profound of a drawing actually. The second photo was taken off of the JNL labs website. (as I brilliantly deduced from the caption, lol)
@all
So here are those LTC6904 chips we managed to solder onto the adapter boards. You will need a very fine tip iron if you decide to replicate this. We used after-hours lab equipment. ;) I can also mail you chips if you are willing to pay material costs. These are 1khz - 67Mhz programmable oscillators, controlled over industry-standard I2C bus. You can control them with an Atmel microcontroller, PIC, or dsPIC. I think they will be useful for resonance scanning, pulse charging, etc.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg206.imageshack.us%2Fimg206%2F8509%2Fltcsolderedmk1.jpg&hash=175bc77176197625f2779948f823666317b36c3b)
Quote from: Feynman on March 25, 2008, 11:07:42 PM
@all
So here are those LTC6904 chips we managed to solder onto the adapter boards. You will need a very fine tip iron if you decide to replicate this. We used after-hours lab equipment. ;) I can also mail you chips if you are willing to pay material costs. These are 1khz - 87Mhz programmable oscillators, controlled over industry-standard I2C bus. You can control them with an Atmel microcontroller, PIC, or dsPIC. I think they will be useful for resonance scanning, pulse charging, etc.
*druel...
I've soldered way too many boards with features much smaller than that using big, fat, crusty old radioshack tips (usb memory sticks, mp3 players, etc.). *sighs* Maybe someday I'll quit doing things the hard way...
That's pretty amazing!
I can't hit anything with my $10 iron in my home lab. It's got about eight layers of solder-crust on it. I guess I should practice some more!
Quote from: Localjoe on March 25, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
@all
Some cool info on the music of the spheres and phi figured a good a short read for all. http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm
(http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm)
and some brogrolie wave refrences here http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm (http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm)
Joe
http://www.keplerstern.com/Introduction/introduction.html
Quote from: armagdn03 on March 25, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
@ i_s
That is an audio capacitor used for smoothing and increased power draw with large sub systems, usually around 12 volts 1 farad.
@ sparks
The first photo shown is a diagram from Walter Russels work, and is quite profound of a drawing actually. The second photo was taken off of the JNL labs website. (as I brilliantly deduced from the caption, lol)
@armma
yep it works good too ...the audio cap also i have seen some
verry intresting things with just that cap alone done just the correct way.... ;D
in fact almost any cap....
play around to see what i speek of ...
ist
Quote from: rensseak on March 26, 2008, 03:36:35 AM
Quote from: Localjoe on March 25, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
@all
Some cool info on the music of the spheres and phi figured a good a short read for all. http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm
(http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/spheres.htm)
and some brogrolie wave refrences here http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm (http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave3.htm)
Joe
http://www.keplerstern.com/Introduction/introduction.html
Based upon this one could identify any atomic spinning structure at any size and any distance by the spirographical image. The star maps will look quite different. How would one measure a macro pattern from a microspeed measurement? Simple, the size of the star, the coronal mass emmision, The magnetic and radiation envelopes of each associated heavenly body and its distance from center. That information is embedded in the electrical discharges that happen within each system.
Optical, nuclear, and radiant emmisions. Way beyond stupid human tricks. Tesla said he recieved tranmsiisions from other heavenly bodies.
The guy is a genius. How so? Everybody has read what he did and said. But there is one factor missing from all this understanding. And that He inundated the young Patent system with the very beginnings of a new technology way beyond the norm(even today). He even has things in his patents that are not fully documented. When you look beyond the simple writings and pictures there is an even greater wealth of releases. And that is the most astonishing part.
He appears on the scene in a totally open environment and manipulates it to his desires with no barriers. One might think not, but not so. His off the cuff remarks portrayed a greater inevitability. It is our ignorance that hold our perceptions to a limit.
I too received a Linear 68mhz LTC6904 based DC726A-b test board, but for free...
I am pursuing getting the USB to PC interface board. They have a nice software download that I can use.
I am using Earl's divide down logic. This gives maximum control. The fast rise and fall times are the preface to the energy generation. This imparts extra energy to the electrons which causes them to jump out to their resting shell to the 3 or 9 shell or further depending on where they sit. The heterodyne signals cause further jumps. Then the signal shuts off and the process reverts with kinetic ringing. Harmonics...
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Unsynched signals work but they align in a haphazard timing.
--giantkiller. Think about that...
@Gk
Im taking that as you liked itÃ, :)
what patents are you talking of im still in the 1888 days of replication ive got a bit to go but i have a pdf here with supposdly his complete collection its about 100 patents where should i look for the refrences you speak of. speifickly interplanetary reciver/transmitter.Ã, ;DÃ, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, ps -your link is for the main page Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on March 26, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
@Gk
Im taking that as you liked it :)
what patents are you talking of im still in the 1888 days of replication ive got a bit to go but i have a pdf here with supposdly his complete collection its about 100 patents where should i look for the refrences you speak of. speifickly interplanetary reciver/transmitter. ;D ps -your link is for the main page Joe
I did like it!
In the Tesla book I have, he mentioned that it was possible to talk to Mars. I believe he was using a very low intellect model to express a bigger idea. I read a reference that he has stated that the flick of a match could be heard at both ends of the universe simultaneoulsy This example is to show that the universe is open to the type of expression. These were made in his later days when alot of people thought him a liitle off. I contend he knew it all along. He never stated distance as a problem in his scalar weapon system. With what information has been posted through out OU these things are not that difficult to see. There are 3 levels to Tesla's information and oddly enough he deleivered these in that exact fashion. The doable( he got ripped off), then next step(shut up, don't rock the boat. We are already making money!), and the inconceivable(way top secret applications). Where are major physics studies today? Pursuing the items that were once inconceivable. I choose to play in the inconceivable. Of course if your approach is standard academia then you are in the wrong playground.
After all the physics have been applied, the operations understood, and devices made then the model has grown into an appreciable unit of production. What Keely, Tesla, and Hutchisaon have shown is the aftermath of design. Anybody that sees into what these guys have done is ready to move past the status qou. That is why we are here, some of us, I hope. The noise abounds, eh? from life, from bounds, and from daily duties. Argh!
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 26, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
He appears on the scene in a totally open environment and manipulates it to his desires with no barriers. One might think not, but not so. His off the cuff remarks portrayed a greater inevitability. It is our ignorance that hold our perceptions to a limit.
Well, in one of my latest dreams some 'guy' (or was it 'gal') teached me internal structure of the matter, in some other concepts than usually being tought 'here'. Unfortunately, as I'm not a lucid dreamer, I do not remember anything beside the fact of teaching/showing (but it may reveal from subconsiousness at a later time - who knows). Something is going on behind the scenes of daily consiousness for sure. This is what really puts a great pressure on the authorities - they do not want to be Maya in the days of Columbus.
Quote from: aleks on March 26, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on March 26, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
He appears on the scene in a totally open environment and manipulates it to his desires with no barriers. One might think not, but not so. His off the cuff remarks portrayed a greater inevitability. It is our ignorance that hold our perceptions to a limit.
Well, in one of my latest dreams some 'guy' (or was it 'gal') teached me internal structure of the matter, in some other concepts than usually being tought 'here'. Unfortunately, as I'm not a lucid dreamer, I do not remember anything beside the fact of teaching/showing (but it may reveal from subconsiousness at a later time - who knows). Something is going on behind the scenes of daily consiousness for sure. This is what really puts a great pressure on the authorities - they do not want to be Maya in the days of Columbus.
Well said,
Google aether and a sad list comes up.
Empirical falsification
An experiment testing this hypothesis was first performed by Albert Michelson in 1881. It produced a null result. It was repeated in 1887 in collaboration with Edward Morley and is known today as the Michelson-Morley experiment. To date all such experiments have failed to demonstrate the expected positive result.
Since it is improbable that any medium would not itself react to the movement of such a foreign embedded body, the idea of a stationary ?ther can be effectively ruled out. However, like swirling your hand in water, if the medium has any viscosity it will experience drag and form a circulation, which, over time, acts to reduce the relative speed and drag between the body and the medium. The final resulting magnitude is dependent upon the assumption of viscosity, and leads to many variants of the theory, each with slightly different drag coefficients and rules for how matter should interact with light. The number of competing theories of this type made keeping track of all the resulting predictions rather difficult. As with string theory today, there seemed to be too many options, and with the proper ad-hoc choice of coefficient values, it seemed that one could predict almost anything. These, as a group, are known as partially dragged ?ther theories.
It could be something as simple as the effect of exercising the strength of the charged particles or electron orbits.
--giantkiller. The next couple months should prove interesting.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 26, 2008, 03:44:34 PMAn experiment testing this hypothesis was first performed by Albert Michelson in 1881. It produced a null result. It was repeated in 1887 in collaboration with Edward Morley and is known today as the Michelson-Morley experiment. To date all such experiments have failed to demonstrate the expected positive result.
Well, I do not know how aether wind may exist at all. It is no more than an assumption that aether has "viscosity", which proved wrong from the experiment.
I myself am thinking of matter in a bit 'non-physical' stream. Nevertheless my understanding is pretty concrete, model-geared. Our space can be perceived as a continous 3D state space matrix (well, in practice calculations are discrete and require a lot of memory storage, of course). Each element of this matrix has a "voltage" value. In order to create motion, a special transform is used over the space matrix. Here is a bit of video demonstrating the concept, in 2D (with a bit of artifical sound added, derived from the picture): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNt0hEfwMVM (note the Yin-Yang formations arising from time to time, red/green are positive/negative voltages within the matrix) This is in no way a finished work, only a first attempt. What is most difficult is to find a transform function that may allow existence of stable "particles". If the transform is found, this idea can be implemented in 3D and it should be possible to form some stable particle systems. If that step succeeds, the next step would be implementing a scalable program that can be run on grid computing arrays.
Oh man, the code for controlling the LTC6904 from the Arduino over I2C is ridiculously easy
i <3 u Arduino
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<----===== CUT HERE sn1p sn1p =====----->
#include <Wire.h>
void setup()
{
Wire.begin();
Serial.begin(9600);
Wire.beginTransmission(0x17); //address of LTC6904
Wire.send(0x3002); //0011 0000 0000 0010 , 8.312 khz i think
Wire.endTransmission();
}
void loop()
{
}
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THATS IT
We find out tonight if it works
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Ard ard ard arduino
@all
These microcontroller PCB's are cool, off-topic but a bit of fun which they remind me of...
http://tiltedtwister.com/
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@aleks,
We live in a 3 dimensional world and our natural assumption is that the space/the world beyond our perception is 3 dimensional.
This comes as natural as accepting the decimal number system because we have 10 "fingers".
For all we know the none physical realm could have *&^ dimensions.
After reading so many theories I think my theory is as valid as many other gurus.
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on March 26, 2008, 05:48:55 PM
@aleks,
We live in a 3 dimensional world and our natural assumption is that the space/the world beyond our perception is 3 dimensional.
This comes as natural as accepting the decimal number system because we have 10 "fingers".
For all we know the none physical realm could have *&^ dimensions.
After reading so many theories I think my theory is as valid as many other gurus.
Well, it's up to you to float in a field of unknown. I'm not buying 4 dimensional Einstein's space. The good theory is the one that predicts and increases "reach" (not a reach for speculations, but a relieving reach, reach for stars and freedom from physical).
Good news; the LTC6904 is working. The first chip was burned out but the second one is producing square waves right now.
Expected Default Frequency: 1.0390khz
Actual Measured Frequency: 1.0463khz
Accuracy: 99.30%
Measured Rise Time: 10ns or better
Next step is to try the I2C bus.
An electron enclosed in an atomic shell will jump to a next outer shell or two or three depennding on the amount of energy that it accepts externally. Then it snaps back to its previous shell of occupation. Well that is all well and good and for what we have been taught. But, the wave effect the electron emits in its travels and shell settling is what we are talking ABOUT.
Nothing else changes to produce an effect. Maybe the ringing is what occurs in unison when a whole matrix of these actions happens at the same time. A 3d spatial field of energy changes. That is where the song comes from. By inputing multiple frequencies or the chords or the heterodyning effect we spatially improve the resonance factor by moving electrons at the same time. The input energy is more cohesive for the movement.
Doesn't matter how many dimensions, just move the electrons in unison. Together, fast or in waves. Hutchison reports problems in effect because of the lack of control in the electron effect.
Bullshit? Fire up your copper and see. Until that time your mind is enthralled by academia and new age-ism. Pablum.
As the electron jumps shells maybe the space between the shells exhibits viscosity and viscidity.
The pressure wave exceeds the objects that are propelled forward from inside. They are riding in parallel. When the pressure dimishes, the objects return to their previous place.
@Feynman,
Great work. I realized from your work that only 1 genny is needed. The square pulse doesn't need any help. 50% duty cycle is fine. Why? The on time is way longer than the electron jump time. It returns back to its home shell almost immediately, light speed. The electron will not remain in this excited condition for more than a fraction of a second before it will radiate the excess enegery and return to a lower energy orbit. Basic electronics, chapter 4, Characteristics of matter and energy, prepared by the U.S. Navy, Bureau of Naval personnel
To see real drama, apply the amount of energy to ionization potential to free electrons from the host nucleus. I.E. GK4 8)
--giantkiller. Same rule, different place.
Thanks GK
Didn't get a chance tonight to attempt the Arduino (microcontroller) because I was talking to John Hutchison on Paranormal Radio. ;D That guy is a certified genius.
As for the precision oscillator project, I did test that LTC6904 chip, and I measured it's accuracy which I posted earlier (99.3% at default freq). I was very impressed. Here are the pictures of the circuit and a scope trace of the default frequency. Incidently, the capacitor in the photograph is just for power supply decoupling, and the resistors are "pull-up" resistors connected to pints 2 and 3 for the I2C bus (not used in this test). Anyway, the jumble of alligator clips is because both the both the scope and the freq counter are connected, as well as the 3V power supply of NiMH AA batteries.
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The test circuit (very simple, just connect (+) to pin 8 and (-) to pin 1 and it should start sending a default square wave to pin 6.
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Scope trace and freq count of the LTC6904 default frequency. We are 99.3% accurate.
V/div = 0.5V
T/div = 0.5ms
Cool,
I have been testing with my timer demo board. It is very neat. I cranked it up to 67.7mhz and the square waves do attenuate down. Rounded corners and then spikes as I get past 1mhz. I believe I have to attenuate the scope probes.
I am going to get real simple to start with and that is attach Earl's shift register solution to get the 2 other freqs.
I am curious if the divisions match up to the electron jump distance to the next shell. These jumps/skips distances are mentioned in the U.S. Navy book. And I am going to drive that to match the PHI numbers and harmonic ranges also.
Your setup looks very minimalistic and small is good.
--giantkiller.
@GK
Great Post of the Dolphins.
When I was kid I always felt that if Man was going to time travel he would have to know how to Surf.
I believe the tpu kicks move the electrons/dolphins in front of the boat/ambient potential energy field.
Tonight give great Success for US and A!! Very nice!! I like! MACEDONIA TPU!!!
Okay in plain English , I got the Arduino microcontroller to talk to those tiny little LTC6904 oscillator chips. It changed their frequency from about 1khz up to 8.3khz. This was very headache-free from digital EE standpoint and I will be happy to answer all questions on how to replicate. The cost of the displayed setup is about $40 in parts.
Here is a picture of the circuit... the Arduino is the green microcontroller board on the left and the LTC6904 is the tiny oscillator chip on the breadboard.
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Here is the counter showing the output frequency of the LTC6904, which was 8.369khz after stabilizing. We were expecting 8.312khz.
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And lastly, here is a screenshot of the microcontroller's code. Notice it's SIX LINES... This is why you should get an Arduino.
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We can program these frequencies for just about anything.... resonance scanning, pulse charging, TPU research, whatever. "Dial-A-Frequency".
Feynman
Allright I'm going to post this for Jon. He also was working on things last night... These are his latest results.
QuoteA single channel test is running now. It is just a logistical test to ensure that all the pieces are working together I don?t expect the results will reveal anything interesting. There are a few problems yet to work out.
The oscillator has three bands that are set with a jumper. The digital resistor has 5120 values of resistance between 2-3 ohms and 210K ohms. The test runs through one band testing each value for one second and samples the output value 6 times per value. The results are ploted on the screen and written to a csv file.
-Jon
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@Fenyman
Jon still needs to wind the control winding over everything. Below is what I believe Spherics described as SM's build. Problem I see is that the control winding is going to mess around with the timing on the kick swinding. Maybe not.
Thanks sparks
I have not built a TPU myself, but I'll forward your recommendations to Jon.
Okay, so here is some of Jon's latest results. I have been playing with LEDs this weekend, but Jon has been doing real TPU research!!!
QuoteI have started on an isolation circuit to separate the TPU from the microcontroller in case of damaging output spikes. It uses an LED, a photo cell, a .1uf capacitor and two variable resistors. The LED will not produce linear output and the photocell takes a bit of time to update but my primary concern is to protect the microcontroller. The circuit is installed in a small box to block out ambient light.
For such a simple component compared with the rest of the project it has been the most difficult to finish. Four hours later is still doesn?t work. The current TPU output is not enough to light the LED in the box but it does light an LED on its own. I may have to bypass the variable resistor.
-Jon, Free Energy Group
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QuoteThis is the first draft of the 6ââ,¬Â³ TPU results with one channel. The data collected used an LED powered by the TPU and detected by a photo cell connected to a microcontroller ADC. The gain is too high so the data was cut off at the top in two places. The frequency is not labeled but the left hand site or lower resistance value is on the left.
There are 5120 frequencies tested each for one second and sampled 6 times each value. The inital results are for the LTC1799 higher frequency band.
Quote6ââ,¬Â³ TPU 1 Channel Data High Freq.
This graph shows the results run again with the oscilator freqency band set on medium
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Feynman: I think this graph shows TPU voltage (Y-axis) vs oscillator resistor value (X-axis). I *think* that lower frequencies are to the right and higher frequencies are to the left.
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That graph makes me feel happy :) Hope you can find something interesting. Have you tried sawtooth signals already?
Quote from: Feynman on March 30, 2008, 03:13:43 AM
Okay, so here is some of Jon's latest results. I have been playing with LEDs this weekend, but Jon has been doing real TPU research!!!
QuoteI have started on an isolation circuit to separate the TPU from the microcontroller in case of damaging output spikes. It uses an LED, a photo cell, a .1uf capacitor and two variable resistors. The LED will not produce linear output and the photocell takes a bit of time to update but my primary concern is to protect the microcontroller. The circuit is installed in a small box to block out ambient light.
For such a simple component compared with the rest of the project it has been the most difficult to finish. Four hours later is still doesn?t work. The current TPU output is not enough to light the LED in the box but it does light an LED on its own. I may have to bypass the variable resistor.
-Jon, Free Energy Group
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QuoteThis is the first draft of the 6ââ,¬Â³ TPU results with one channel. The data collected used an LED powered by the TPU and detected by a photo cell connected to a microcontroller ADC. The gain is too high so the data was cut off at the top in two places. The frequency is not labeled but the left hand site or lower resistance value is on the left.
There are 5120 frequencies tested each for one second and sampled 6 times each value. The inital results are for the LTC1799 higher frequency band.
Quote6ââ,¬Â³ TPU 1 Channel Data High Freq.
This graph shows the results run again with the oscilator freqency band set on medium
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Feynman: I think this graph shows TPU voltage (Y-axis) vs oscillator resistor value (X-axis). I *think* that lower frequencies are to the right and higher frequencies are to the left.
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Hi Feynman
This is the point where i would put in a cny17 or something like that.
These are miracle devices and they handle the signals very well.
I always look at them as if they are the true " modern vacuum tubes "
They also handle high frequency.
An additional note on the feedback,
The tpu produces magnetic and hash radio around the coils and this induces tiny currents in wires and drive components.
Vacuum tubes are high voltage and they are not as sensitive as the solid state circuitry.
In solid state devices these tiny induced currents affect the operating principle of the driving circuits.
For example in classic TTL these tiny currents will make outputs go high....
So it is best to add aditional circuitry which pulls the open connections to absolute ground.
Like a circuit on top of a circuit which simply grounds "unconnected" connections.
Feedback to stabilize.
Now back in the days Steven didn't had all these gate ic's so he had to make all the logic by himself.
M.
Those resonances on the graph seem like the "device" resonates in the same manner as some sinewave voltage is being saturated (can't tell if its solid-state symmetrical saturation or valve-like). Plus some kind of multiplier modulation (hence the side-bands are visible). This may not be related to the voltage source, but this should relate to the "structure" of the device. Obviously the first "clipped" resonance (second one) is the main resontant frequency. Knowing a real pulse frequency and the scale of the graph would suggest the best mode of operation. This graph suggests that it's best not only create pulses, but to modulate them with a low-frequency sinewave oscillator. This will correspond to the full resonance.
Actually this resonance picture can be described with just 2 sinewave oscillators and 1 sinewave modulator (correct phases should be chosen as well). If this resonance is what you are looking for, you may not need to pulse it at all - just tune to these frequencies, and if there are more energy coming out, it may maintain a self-oscillation.
Looking across any of the complex wound tpu type coils permits the configuration of a tank circuit many times over depending the number of segments.
Firing the ring like it was a motor but letting the BEMF add ring to the tank resonancy.
Or instead of sequential firing, pulse all the tanks with their own resonancy note at the same time and let the unidirectional heterodyned product spin at the speed and the direction of the desired direction of the coil pulse directions.
--giantkiller.
Thanks for your feedback.
@marco
The cny17 looks handy because the photo cell I am using now will stay open after it has experienced a high intensity light. I will be replacing the LED with a filament lamp today because the output is already too high.
@aleks Re:sawtooth signals
The oscillator is a square wave generator but at the very high end the wave is attenuated. Thats why the results don't start until the resistance value of 50 because there is no wave at all. When the wave emerges it looks like a triangle. Another interesting point is that the voltage at the high frequencies is lower than the 5v at the medium range. The highest output value at about 175 the voltage is about 3v. This was the reason that I am also working on a 18" TPU in hopes that it works at a lower frequency.
I have been trying to resolve an issue with the second and third oscillator channel. I can't find the problem, the chip works, the connections are correct with no shorts and the code looks correct. I will be connecting the second channel to the oscillator today. It will have full frequency range but not full precision. There will only be 512 values instead of 5120.
Hopefully today I will have some results that show the interaction of two frequencies. The TPU's I am using are based on comments made by SM. One of the main concepts was on a comment about the design of jet wings for supersonic flight. I have posted my thoughts on my blog and if you have any comments I would like to hear from you. http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=4
Thanks Feynman for posting.
Quote from: Jon on March 30, 2008, 01:17:20 PMI have been trying to resolve an issue with the second and third oscillator channel. I can't find the problem, the chip works, the connections are correct with no shorts and the code looks correct. I will be connecting the second channel to the oscillator today. It will have full frequency range but not full precision. There will only be 512 values instead of 5120.
With such narrow resonances you may leave some resonances unnoticed after increasing the step size.
On another note, so your plot is actually reversed? (higher frequencies to the left?)
In that case I may speculate that 1 oscillation and 2 modulations are going on - in this case the leftmost sideband is missing due to roll-off you've mentioned, but the resonant frequency is same.
What's the scale of the graph? Knowing scale and deducing from those 2 modulations may suggest which lower frequencies are at resonance.
However, tuning to that resonant frequency may be useful: it can be vital at supporting lower-frequency self-oscillation as these frequencies may form a rather complex feedback system.
Jon, after seeing your plot at http://freeenergygroup.com/?page_id=48 I see that "resonance" picture is somewhat similar in both "high" and "medium" frequency ranges, so I think that something is "leaking" signal.
@aleks
Yes, The higher frequency is on the left and the lower frequency is on the right. The high and low band graphs may not line up correctly. I will see if I can add a frequency estimate in the graph shortly. In any case I can us the oscilliscope to find the exact frequencies for particular values. Also the the frequencies and output values are tightly coupled to the specific TPU that I am using.
The graph is extreamly compacted and the raw data is available is csv format if you want to take a closer look.
I'm running some other tests currently but will post more information.
Thanks.
Feynmen,Ã, can you label the x-axis on your graph?Ã, Ã, (is it sample # or frequencyÃ, (KHz, MHz?))
Good work!!Ã, Ã, So which resonant mode are you going to operate at?Ã, To find out , place two pickup coils (in quadrature) and observe on a scope.Ã, When you see the typical lag in phase, you know it's a traveling wave mode and not just an LC mode, then you can explore that.Ã, Ã, That's what SM has told us anyway.
EM
HI
@marco >>> yes you are raid all this elktronics stuff dont need ;) <<<coil magnet and like recivers >>
@TO ALL NO ELKTRONICS ONLY WIRES AND ;) ;) ;) <<S.M WORDS my divices is very frekfency sensitive >>>
can enyone ansfer ho is the frekfency of noise of the simple radio recivers << _,5 Khz>>
TUNE CLOUSE TO EXSACTLY FREK .. AND MAKE SELF DISTROING TPU
NOISE HAS HMM 0,01 db constant energy
exsactly raid tune frekfency has hmm 1db energy
if tune clouse and clouse to 1db
that is the reasons way <<sm> dont tune exsactly raid frek BEACOUSE THE NOISE FREKFENCY HAS STABE AND CONSTANT ENRGY
IF THE S.M TUNE CLOUSE TO EXSACTLY RAID FREK <<THIS FREK IS NOT STABLE AND NOT CONSTANT
IF THE S.M TUNE LIKE THAT THEN HIS TPU WHILL HAVE VARIABLE OUT VOLTAGE AND COURENTS
THAT IS S.M TUNE THIS NOISE FRE. FOR TO HAVE STABLE V AND A
IF YOU LISTEND RADIO YOU HAVE VARIABLE db IN ENERGY TO YOU RECIVER
IF YOU PUT TO NOT IN THE STATION YOU CAN SEE THE db is constant
Success!!
I got the LTC6904 to scan from 1khz up to 4.8 Mhz. There were some software glitches for the past few hours, but they were resolves when I used 5V common power supply for the I2C bus (rather than two seperate power supplies, one running off 2AA batteries at 3V and the other running off the USB cable).
However, my binary calculations are off! Oops! I think I should drink more ale. Because I was only able to scan up to 4Mhz (instead of full 67Mhz) suggests my math is wrong. I will post a big post if I can fix this tonight. Maybe I will go to work late. :o :o :o hahahaha
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Feynman
EDIT: Okay so I fixed the math stuff... I've gotten up to 47Mhz stable. Let me tell you at this frequency the wave starts turning *ugly*! But the square wave is very beautiful to about 20Mhz. Also when I probe with the scope I can hear the tones rising through my computer speaks up to around 23khz.
I felt like a should clarify what's going on a bit , so here goes:
I am producing square waves using a small LTC6904 chip. This chip can go 1khz - 67Mhz. It is controlled over the I2C bus from an Arduino microcontroller. The Arduino is controlled from the computer via Serial over USB.
What was accomplished:
Last night I programmed the Arduino to make the LTC6904 "scan" across frequencies from 1khz to 67Mhz. Every 10 seconds the Arduino would send a new command to the LTC6904 oscillator to move up to a higher frequency band. There were a total of 32 separate frequencies tested across the 1khz to 67Mhz interval. Additionally, the Arduino was programmed to report its status over the serial port, so I was able to see in a Linux terminal whenever it changed the oscillator's frequency.
I also watched the output on my frequency counter and scope, and I could see the frequency jump up higher every 10 seconds. I also did a rough test of close we were to the expected frequency output and this generally was in +- 2% in kilohertz and got much larger (+- 20%) when we exceeded 2Mhz. The large error was due , in part, to a mistake on my part. You cannot change both the octave and the frequency at the same time on the LTC6904. The LTC spec says you need to send two separate commands, but I was doing this in one command which I think was affecting the oscillator stability.
So in summary , the LTC6904 was programmed to scan a large frequency range. This test was succesful. In fact it was funny because under 22khz I could hear the tones through interference with my speakers. There were a couple of minor problems with error in higher megahertz, but I think this can be resolved by following the LTC6904 spec sheet. Future plans include testing the accuracy and precision with hopes of improving it and making consistent output.
Quote from: -[marco]- on March 30, 2008, 12:00:30 PM
...
For example in classic TTL these tiny currents will make outputs go high....
So it is best to add aditional circuitry which pulls the open connections to absolute ground.
Like a circuit on top of a circuit which simply grounds "unconnected" connections.
...
Back in college when I was building NMR spectrometers, I added a number of tiny capacitors connected to ground on circuit elements near the ic's; I'm not sure exactly how or why it worked, but this technique somehow helped with stability in the 90-120 MHz range.
Just a side note:
The SM17 has inductors and caps placed similar to the LMD/TEM analog computer.
Just rolled up. :o
This gives a mobius configuration where the coil loops are in parallel and the caps are in parallel. Each pair communicates with itself. Instead of using multiple stages the effect is fedback at the end of each pulse which, by the way, is fired in 2 directions at once. One direction per one coil.
--giantkiller. Totally tanked, horizontally and vertically.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 02, 2008, 02:09:21 PM
Just a side note:
The SM17 has inductors and caps placed similar to the LMD/TEM analog computer.
Just rolled up. :o
This gives a mobius configuration where the coil loops are in parallel and the caps are in parallel. Each pair communicates with itself. Instead of using multiple stages the effect is fedback at the end of each pulse which, by the way, is fired in 2 directions at once. One direction per one coil.
--giantkiller. Totally tanked, horizontally and vertically.
I guess capacitors are there to provide a flip-flop polarity on coils. Caps should not delay sinewave or change its shape that much. Nice approach - I have to try this myself (instead of using simple flip-flop connections).
So, if this arrangement works with a pure sinewave how it will behave with sawtooth pulses?
Quote from: aleks on April 02, 2008, 02:40:18 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 02, 2008, 02:09:21 PM
Just a side note:
The SM17 has inductors and caps placed similar to the LMD/TEM analog computer.
Just rolled up. :o
This gives a mobius configuration where the coil loops are in parallel and the caps are in parallel. Each pair communicates with itself. Instead of using multiple stages the effect is fedback at the end of each pulse which, by the way, is fired in 2 directions at once. One direction per one coil.
--giantkiller. Totally tanked, horizontally and vertically.
I guess capacitors are there to provide a flip-flop polarity on coils. Caps should not delay sinewave or change its shape that much. Nice approach - I have to try this myself (instead of using simple flip-flop connections).
So, if this arrangement works with a pure sinewave how it will behave with sawtooth pulses?
Caps yep. You would need diodes if the wave was ac in that it croxxes ground. Keep it positive or above ground. How else would the mag wave be kept going in the same direction. Jack it up then pump the resonance. 1 to 4 sets. 8) The triangle wave doesn't give the snap crackle pop we are looking for. Pressurize space quickly otherwise ya just got a wall transformer.
Now for smooth operation you would use a triangle wave and diodes again. Sine works too.
All SM TPUS are the same. The design varies only where the middle coil exists. The smaller ones are on the same circumferal edge as the initial coils. The larger units have that coil in the center. That solved the heat problem. ;)
I have been playing the opposite game of 'guess what answer I am thinking of'. Alot of obfuscation over the last 2 years and alot of people follow it hook and nail.
New gods, character defamation, thick thoughts, engineering encylos, theoretical pablum, Whew. I have yet to figure out who the smartest one here is. ;D
--giantkiller. ;)
Quote from: giantkiller on April 02, 2008, 03:23:13 PMThe triangle wave doesn't give the snap crackle pop we are looking for.
Well, I'm not talking about
triangle wave. Sawtooth is a totally different thing. Check it out.
Quote from: aleks on April 02, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 02, 2008, 03:23:13 PMThe triangle wave doesn't give the snap crackle pop we are looking for.
Well, I'm not talking about triangle wave. Sawtooth is a totally different thing. Check it out.
You're right and I apologize. Wrong visual start for me. What I was really getting at is that when I shut the Fet off there is a diminishing ring after that. That ring would be advantagious in a tank circuit. Especially if the Fet is turned on again in that range. That makes the frequency only necessary to be faster than the circumference. Or only the
on time. SM showed that diameter measurement for this reason. The starting energy path goes around and the high speed field traverses the center.
The
on time is a bad reference. The shutoff would be a better place to look. This lets the ringing start. But I chose to use square waves. That lets me control the pressure on the electron in 2 directions. I see your point on the sawtooth. Apply slow pressure against the electron then let is snap back. The energy comes back into the device instead of exiting at high speed at the start of the pressure.
--giantkiller.
btw, what does this whole tread have to do with the SM TPU?
what rubbish
Haha you are clueless poynt
Don't criticize what you can't understand.
ah yes, this thread suits you well
There are experiences in Overunity by alot of people. All valid. It is a strange place due to sometimes esoteric explanations. This doesn't come out of academia.
So I'll put this harshest of warning in the plainest of english: 'If you produce a video of a valid working unit, you are as good as dead'.
Who ya gonna call? Think about that! You gotta go somewhere with it. But where? This subject has also been covered. There is alot turf besides just this little patch.
The explanations come in EE, PHD, Physics, medical terms. I was early in the game when threads were few. I was lucky. Read and build. If you can't show any physical evidence then you have no right to critisize. Fair?
There are too many threads to read which is sad. I suggest to anyone who gets here to read what DFRO posted:
Here it is:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3660.msg61477.html#msg61477
QuoteHello fellow reverse engineers.
I have been following this forum, watching the videos, and pondering how the TPU works. I think it is an authentic freedom energy device.
I consider myself very much a novice in electronics, but maybe my conjectures could shed some new light on the "guess what answer I am thinking of" game we are all trying to play here with SM. Please, pardon any major electronics dumb statements I make that reveal my inexperience in this field. I hope my thoughts are not too disorganized and hard to follow, also.
I would like to start by commenting about the "rotating magnetic field" mystery. I have been thinking a lot about that. What I think is happening is SM has set up sets of inductive coils that are oriented in two, possibly three different directions. On his small device there is the collector coil, which is wrapped around the circumference of the main circle. I think he has wrapped the collector coil around the circumference several times, but since the wire strands are packed in with no kind of wrapping orientation (the strands are not wrapped side by side along a core or hollow tube), the magnetic flux lines look like they would be for a single strand. However, he has augmented the collector coil with other vertical coils, which seem to be wrapped around metal cores (and on which he placed the magnets in one video). These windings could be extensions of the collector coil and connected in series with it and each other. The input coils are oriented in such a way that their flux lines are 90 degrees to the output coil and vertical coils. Again, I think the collector coil is somehow wired in series with the vertical coils. Other sets of coils, which I don't see in any of the pictures could be oriented as if the windings were wrapping around imaginary wheel spokes.
I also think this device is harnessing and augmenting the radiant energy surges that come from very quick, high voltage pulses. I remember Bedini or Tesla or Bearden saying that the more resistance across the voltage spike, the more electrons that piles up on the negative side of the circuit being excited. The trick is to let the electrons pile up and then switch them into the circuit without destroying the dipole . The inductive coils seem to be perfect for this. The voltage spike hits the input coil, the high inductive reactance resists electron flow and then as the magnetic field builds and collapses, the electrons move. I think he has all of the coils attached to capacitors to create resonant tank circuits. Also, I think he might have a diode in series with the capacitors of the tank circuits so that the current can only flow in one direction (maybe not, though). No current is ever allowed to flow when the pulse hits the coil. The kick hits a back-emf wall when it occurs, pulls in the radiant energy current surge, and then lets the current flow in the input coil when the induced magnetic field is building and decaying. With the current flowing in the input coil, its magnetic flux induces a current and flux in the collector coil. Using the flux created in the collector coil is one of the secrets, I think.
I also think he is using a small battery in all the devices to run the pulse control circuitry. I imagine there are a few 555 ic's that are driving some kind of fast, high voltage mosfet driver to make 1 to 4 sets of very fast, short on-time pulses, which are harmonics of each other. I would suggest doing pulse ratios that are in the Fibonacci series or each pulse being the previous pulse times phi. However, the pulses may be tuned to a chord, like a major chord - root, fifth, octave, tenth (just a thought). He has written about striking the right chord, correct? I also think he has a solid state diode/cap circuit to step up the voltage from the battery for the pulses. I remember reading about how to do this using diodes, caps, and pulses - it is basic stuff, which I don't know how to do yet.
When the fast, high voltage kick hits the first input coil and inducing current, its flux lines build and cut through the collector coil, causing current to be induced in the collector coil. It also induces current in the vertically oriented coils that are adjacent to the first input coil. I imagine that these are wired in series with the collector coil. The magnetic flux has just spun 90 degrees and moved over from input coil 1 to vertical collector coil 1. I also imagine that the adjacent vertical coil is wrapped in such a way that it induces a current (and thus magnetic flux) in the second input coil. So when the now faster (1.618: 1 faster?) kicks hit the second coil, there is already current moving and flux building. The second input coil is also attached to a resonant tank circuit which is tuned to have its resonant peak at the frequency of the pulses. I think the collector coil and its vertical coils have caps in series, also. They form part of a LC resonant tank circuit but also store the voltage to power any attached load. It think the collector coil with the vertical coils is tuned to have its resonance at the lowest fundamental frequency, and the input coils are harmonics of that - possibly odd order harmonics, Fibonacci series, phi, major chord, or empirically tuned by watching the behavior on a scope.
When the kicks on coil 2 pull in the radiant energy current surge, that induces current and flux in the collector coil and the next adjacent vertical coil, which is wrapped in such a way that it induces current and flux in the next input coil (3). This continues around the circle with the magnetic field cork screwing around the circumference of the main collector coil circle. When the magnetic surge makes it round the circuit, it acts as positive feedback for the first input coil. I also think this cork-screwing and spinning of the magnetic fields pulls in more radiant energy, which causes the current to keep flowing in the same direction. If the pulses and resonance were optimized, the tpu would quickly pull in too much voltage and cause catastrophic arcs through the wire insulation or capacitor insulation. This is why SM tunes the circuit off frequency slightly. You can also see he has put fuses on the big tpu device.
I do not think the earth's magnetic resonance is critical to the operating of the tpu. It is a radiant energy device pulling its energy from the vacuum. I think you can pick different sets of frequencies. In his first small device, maybe SM thought the earth's vibrating magnetic field played a role, but the later devices vibrated much faster. By setting up his device to resonate at 7.3 Hz, maybe there was a significant braking effect from the earth's flux that happened when he turned the device upside down. The magnet on the small device probably just triggered a magnetic switch that turned on the device. He has said that the magnets are not critical to the operation of the device, correct? On the larger device where he turns it on by placing two magnets, I think that he purposely underwound those two coils so that they would not produce enough flux to keep the positive feedback building. The magnets were used to augment the flux of those two coils and allow the turbine effect to build.
Also, I think that high ohm leakage resistors are placed in parallel with each capacitor in the various tank circuits. On the large tpu it looks like he has resistors across the pair of vertically oriented caps. These dissipate the voltage on the caps when the device is turned off as a safety measure. They also serve to bleed some of the current and create some extra ac "hash" on the dc current, which causes additional resonance in the tank circuits. It also causes the vibration of the device, which also contributes to the flux of adjacent coils inducing more voltage and current much like a guitar pickup picks up the vibration of a metal string. Maybe all of the coil wire should be ferrous? Has SM said anything about what kind of metal the wire is made of? This vibration and the current drawn from the device when it is powering a load are what cause the device to heat up. I imagine having a bank of several units wired in parallel to abate overheating issues.
On the big tpu device the inductive coils in the center might be there because he needed a certain amount of induction for his vertical collector coils, but he did not need all of the coil to be close to the input coils creating the positive magnetic feedback. It may have been a way of maximizing the LC tank resonance but reducing some of the positive magnetic feedback.
I think the gyroscopic effect comes from the cork-screwing magnetic field that is constantly circling around the circumference of the device. This also seems to match his statements about the tpu acting as a turbine or an accelerometer.
Please, let me know what you think, everyone (including you, SM). I have to study a lot more before I can draw up a possible circuit to test.
And if more info is needed then click on the LMDTEM link below. And get the vid of the experiment by Dolllard.
Or study Tesla, Keely, Schaumberger. Try to explain the results of Hutchison to your parents.
But condemning people does not bring peace into our lives.
--giantkiller. Those that can
do are always told
'No' by those that can't.
DFRO is as lost and subject to regurgitation as much as countless others before him. He has a couple good observations, but nothing new by any stretch.
what sort of "physical evidence" are you talking about?....how I can blow my walls out with a sub-woofer?
as i said this all has nothing to do with the TPU
POY exactly what is your purpose here ?
Hello all,
@point99
show us your coils.
Otto
@poynt
In all seriousness, I will pretend for a moment you are not trolling and try to explain... as Tesla and others have stated, the key to understanding radiant energy is in frequencies and resonance, among other things.
QuoteIf you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."
-Nikola Tesla
I think what we hope to do with the research into digital oscillator control is to provide an open-source framework in which experiments can be conducted systematically, using the scientific method. Maybe these chips cannot necessarily drive a TPU, but they can provide data on its resonance properties by doing frequency "scanning". Maybe this helps, maybe it doesn't, but there is only one way to find out.
That is, send different frequencies into a TPU, see how it responds. Plot the data and upload it. Or try different wave types (square vs sine) and see how the unit responds. How do different designs affect the frequency response? Can we find resonant peaks? Can we see patterns in the internal resonance? Can we exploit these properties with digital oscillators or must we contruct analog Colpitts oscillators in order to have clamped feedback? (ala PLL). If so, why? There are alot of question which have not been answered, and I personally hope to post some basic research which has not been conducted. I will leave the advanced TPU theory, design, historical research to those who are qualified, but I think it's important to be able to answer some basic scientific questions. (ie. what sort of inductive coupling between coils? what is COP? what are the output waveforms, and how to they depend on input frequency and waveform? is frequency response linear or nonlinear? and so on)
On top of this the oscillators GK, Jon and I are building can be used for other things, such as pulse charging batteries, or generating HHO. But it's more of an open-source computer-controlled digital oscillator framework for doing basic research, automating data collection, and so on.
@all
And speaking of which, I've got some results on the LTC6904 square wave oscillator. I scanned using the proper control packets, and the error was very much improved. The error is linear +-2% up to 500khz, after which it becomes highly non-linear all the way to 30Mhz. But still, we are talking +-5% tops, which is not too bad and I am sure can be improved. I think the next step is to add a high speed buffer IC on the output because the LTC6904 is not designed to drive things directly. For now, here is the graph of LTC6904 square wave output showing the error distribution. This was done via computer control on a Linux workstation, using serial over USB as described previously. I am using Victor VC3165 Frequency Counter to measure the oscillator chip output.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg220.imageshack.us%2Fimg220%2F6185%2Fltc6904error1ea6.jpg&hash=da9a885ccc8d5d0efa81580832f49a0667ef9065)
This data is from an actual trial I just conducted. Single Dataset, the error is calculated by dividing the measured frequency by the "expected" frequency. So 1.0 is zero error, 1.02 is +2% error, 0.97 is -3% error , etc.
And here is a pic of the setup
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F3571%2Farduinoltc1rm4.jpg&hash=89ffb4fad87913a2c935f9b3979848860d85d0b9)
Quote from: otto on April 03, 2008, 12:11:44 AM
Hello all,
@point99
show us your coils.
Otto
We've seen yours and they don't do much do they?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 02, 2008, 05:23:54 PM
The on time is a bad reference. The shutoff would be a better place to look. This lets the ringing start. But I chose to use square waves. That lets me control the pressure on the electron in 2 directions. I see your point on the sawtooth. Apply slow pressure against the electron then let is snap back. The energy comes back into the device instead of exiting at high speed at the start of the pressure.
With sawtooth you can tune to the resonance correctly. With square wave you'll always have to detune (phase shift) the next 'on' transient in a hope to 'shut off' the counteracting 'off' transient. Beside that sawtooth can be both positive and negative (with only 'on' transient or only 'off' transient) - you decide which one is best suited for you.
Hello all,
@point99
at least I made a lot of tests and builded the ECD TPU. So you have no coils. A little advice: just look at the ECD schematic and read the pdf. Maybe even you can something learn. Look at the wires lenghts. You may "discover" something new.
I would never say that somebedy like dfro is lost until I can prove it. I would never dare to say an idea is crap until I tried it. For myself I can say that this man is right. Its on you to build coils like Mannix showed us and then to follow dfros 2 posts and PROVE that dfro is lost. Until then I have nothing to say to you.
Otto
i've read your ecd stuff and your posts and can conclude as others here have that there is nothing noteworthy to see or learn there. it has nothing to do with the TPU.
EMdevices, Grumpy, zpe, spherics, kames, carl, and one or 2 others have contributed useful things here, things that help create a path to the end goal of understanding the TPU, things that are relevant. most of the rest is noise.
Hello all,
@point99
Im happy to make only noise.
Otto
Yeah here is more noise from Canada
6" TPU resonance , left is higher frequency
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreeenergygroup.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F04%2F6in_2ch_hi_1.PNG&hash=35c4c1d89c2aca7f6fe08efcab7922d1167c06f9)
x-axis is digital resistor value, y-axis is voltage
http://freeenergygroup.com/ (http://freeenergygroup.com/)
Quote from: poynt99 on April 03, 2008, 07:49:39 AM
i've read your ecd stuff and your posts and can conclude as others here have that there is nothing noteworthy to see or learn there. it has nothing to do with the TPU.
EMdevices, Grumpy, zpe, spherics, kames, carl, and one or 2 others have contributed useful things here, things that help create a path to the end goal of understanding the TPU, things that are relevant. most of the rest is noise.
So right you are, sir!
Follow the instructions for the wiring configurations for the GK4 of Otto & I. Now there is some noise. In fact if you want to hear the noise better, power it on and place on the side of your head and tell us all about the headaches and the warm fuzzy feeling that crawls over your hand and head.
Why did this perform this way? Because the coils produced Poynting vectors in an alignment that produces high energy ejections. Not the type that readily stays in the magfield or conductors. Lets call the vector alignment of 99%.
Oh, nice ID, poynt99. My vector alignment was 99% back then on the GK4. I leave it to you to learn what I know now from building. Numerous examples abound from other people besides just who is in Overunity.
When ocean based waves collide they produce a heterodyned effect that turns water into a high speed pulse. Not the water but the kinetic effect. When that force impacts an obstacle the object is obliterated. Size does not matter. Huge chucks of continents are pulverized. Ships are torn apart, hulls are sliced and shredded like paper.
When sound is harmonized with the target material that vibration also causes kinetic dislodging. I refer to the 'Walls of Jericho' in the Bible. Over a billion jews can't be wrong about their own documented history, conquests, and subversion into slavery numerous times. For their own populous explodes in waves to subside and to overtake thru time any society that they come into contact with.
I mention these 3 facts because any intelligent person on this planet is aware of at least 2 of these effects.
--giantkiller. Nice bird doggin' though. ;)
@Feynman,
The arduino is sweet. Up and runnin'!
Here is a base idea of the type of device to coordinate with a running TPU to display the heterodyning of the mag field. http://i.document.m05.de/?p=127.
Just curious about the output. :D
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 03, 2008, 10:40:20 AMNot the water but the kinetic effect. When that force impacts an obstacle the object is obliterated. Size does not matter.
Well, matter can be made 'intelligent' (bio organisms) and a wall built from intelligent elements won't be easy to break with any force. Resonance is a brute force thing, it's not 'smart'. The reality of intelligent matter is what allows us to extract energy from everywhere: we are intelligent matter, that's why we 'own' non-intelligent matter. Unfortunately for us, the substance which makes up what we call matter 'owns' us. This substance can be also intelligent, much more intelligent than us in fact. 'Non-intelligent' matter is also intelligent, but it can only repel in a hope to find a place of minimal repelling force from the neighbours. But even unconditional repelling is so 'dumb' that it makes creation of attracting force out of repelling a possibility.
Otto, please keep on making this noise, I love it! :)
Quote from: otto on April 03, 2008, 07:58:36 AM
Hello all,
@point99
Im happy to make only noise.
Otto
Tonight I tried running the LTC6904 into a 6N138 opto-isolator. This is a little chip with an LED and photodiode inside that lets you decouple parts of a circuit.
This worked great from 1khz up to 300khz. After 300khz, the wave got started turning ugly and at 1Mhz the 6N138 refused to switch the pulses. This was a success, it just means I need to order a faster opto-isolator.
I think it will go
LTC6903 ----pulses-----> high speed buffer ----> optoisolator ----> MOSFETs/tubes
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vortex2dh0.swf
Per Patrick Flanagan:
The Yellow is the counterclockwise pulse direction. The Green is the clockwise pulse direction. The pulses also reflect the magnetic field direction of travel. As those fields spin ions are dragged in by the heterodyning mag fields in between the coils where they meet. This drag is documented in other areas. The Blue respresents the ejection of ions on the horizontal plane. The angle of the vertical portion of the blue arrows represents the ions pulled downward and upward. This is the vortex.
The frequency represented here is 4x the circumference frequency. By adding more turns the initial frequency can be divided down. That is because now where the pulse hits is at a different distance down the wire. But because there is a loop the runs are in parallel. The loop sees it at some matching circumferal place. If you have 8 turns and fire the pulse at the 1 turn circumferal distance then you will have 8 pulses in the same circumferal distance of the loop.
See where this is going?
Now if the loop is part of a tank the ringing sustains. We heterodyne with colliding fields any where we want on the loop.
See where this just went?
Now another loop is added and the same process is added to that loop but in an opposing direction.
Where did this just go?
Now there are 2 toroidal magnetic fields spinning against each other twisting the vortex. Pump the force faster and create more effect. Schaumberger. Keely, Tesla, Hutchison.
Also Marco posted the vortex in one of my coil graphics 18 months ago.
Where do you think it comes from?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 04, 2008, 04:27:18 PM
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vortex2dh0.swf
Per Patrick Flanagan:
The Yellow is the counterclockwise pulse direction. The Green is the clockwise pulse direction. The pulses also reflect the magnetic field direction of travel. As those fields spin ions are dragged in by the heterodyning mag fields in between the coils where they meet. This drag is documented in other areas. The Blue respresents the ejection of ions on the horizontal plane. The angle of the vertical portion of the blue arrows represents the ions pulled downward and upward. This is the vortex.
The frequency represented here is 4x the circumference frequency. By adding more turns the initial frequency can be divided down. That is because now where the pulse hits is at a different distance down the wire. But because there is a loop the runs are in parallel. The loop sees it at some matching circumferal place. If you have 8 turns and fire the pulse at the 1 turn circumferal distance then you will have 8 pulses in the same circumferal distance of the loop.
See where this is going?
Now if the loop is part of a tank the ringing sustains. We heterodyne with colliding fields any where we want on the loop.
See where this just went?
Now another loop is added and the same process is added to that loop but in an opposing direction.
Where did this just go?
Now there are 2 toroidal magnetic fields spinning against each other twisting the vortex. Pump the force faster and create more effect. Schaumberger. Keely, Tesla, Hutchison.
Also Marco posted the vortex in one of my coil graphics 18 months ago.
Where do you think it comes from?
--giantkiller.
gk,
Can you tell us something about the relation of the above with the LMDTEM?
What makes you think that aiming 3 speakers to a central spot in the vacuum (air) will create heterodyning?
I suggest you go back and look up its definition.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 04, 2008, 08:49:35 PM
What makes you think that aiming 3 speakers to a central spot in the vacuum (air) will create heterodyning?
I suggest you go back and look up its definition.
Have you tried it?
I have a 750 watt Bose Acoustic radiator. Single sound source. That made the house vibrate in a way that only heterodyning could do. I have demos on youtube. It is not just loud.
I don't normally do this but you offer conjecture without real tests. Ditto Otto...
--giantkiller.
Quote from: M@rcel on April 04, 2008, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 04, 2008, 04:27:18 PM
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vortex2dh0.swf
Per Patrick Flanagan:
The Yellow is the counterclockwise pulse direction. The Green is the clockwise pulse direction. The pulses also reflect the magnetic field direction of travel. As those fields spin ions are dragged in by the heterodyning mag fields in between the coils where they meet. This drag is documented in other areas. The Blue respresents the ejection of ions on the horizontal plane. The angle of the vertical portion of the blue arrows represents the ions pulled downward and upward. This is the vortex.
The frequency represented here is 4x the circumference frequency. By adding more turns the initial frequency can be divided down. That is because now where the pulse hits is at a different distance down the wire. But because there is a loop the runs are in parallel. The loop sees it at some matching circumferal place. If you have 8 turns and fire the pulse at the 1 turn circumferal distance then you will have 8 pulses in the same circumferal distance of the loop.
See where this is going?
Now if the loop is part of a tank the ringing sustains. We heterodyne with colliding fields any where we want on the loop.
See where this just went?
Now another loop is added and the same process is added to that loop but in an opposing direction.
Where did this just go?
Now there are 2 toroidal magnetic fields spinning against each other twisting the vortex. Pump the force faster and create more effect. Schaumberger. Keely, Tesla, Hutchison.
Also Marco posted the vortex in one of my coil graphics 18 months ago.
Where do you think it comes from?
--giantkiller.
gk,
Can you tell us something about the relation of the above with the LMDTEM?
Take the TEM, Grab both caps and bring them towards you while you curl the inductors into horizontal loops. What do you have?
Anybody that built a TPU type coil can see this. Now lets say you take 3 TEMs, layed out just like the the pictures and curl them around a vertical axis. What do you have?
A 3 segment, 2 layer TPU. Is this close or what, compadres?
Is this a test? Is anybody there? Are we bird doggin' for an easy answer?
This worked for Dollard and Naudin. 5.882 KHZ. You just got fed. The link is in my signature.
--giantkiller. Get visual. Get done.
I have not tried it, and that is not the issue.
If you wanted to electronically heterodyne 3 signals, would you use an opamp summer with 3 wave form inputs?
No, and that's why you are not heterodyning in air either. Summing is all you got I'm afraid.
But with only a single acoustic subwoofer or pressure wave transducer such as the BOSE, then you can not be heterodyning.
Minimum 2 sources are required to heterodyne, and the sources must mix in a non-linear medium.
You've got neither.
you don't have heterodyning.
Ok.
Did you bother to take note of the Bucket -o- Vibes test with 3, let me repeat, I said 3 speakers. Did you bother to take note of Innovation_station's 3 amplifier, 3 large wattage speaker test I told him to set up in his house?
Have you ever felt the sheetrock and furniture chatter when you hit the right combination of harmonics?
There is definately a difference between the Bose equipment and just paper speakers. What do you own?
--goodbye. Nice bird doggin', though.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 04, 2008, 10:21:30 PM
Ok.
--goodbye.
That's your
technical argument then?
why are you posting here if you don't expect people to take you seriously?
If I'm wrong then it should be straight forward for you to argue your point in a technical manner.
At least he's doing something. All you do is tell them they're wrong.
@Giantkiller,
Please continue the use of the word.
In radio terms (not the only place where it is used) it is the generation of ONE frequency to be combined with an existing signal for the purpose of creating a sum of the two AND the difference between the two. Radio folks may use either but normally not both. I can't think of any radio use where more than one frequency is injected at the same stage for the purpose of heterodyning. There probably is - just can't think of any right now.
My understanding of the physics definition is the use of one or more forces/energies/etc. to cause conversion to another force/energy/etc.
The root word meaning is 'different power'.
I think you have it right.
Quote from: Super God on April 04, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
At least he's doing something. All you do is tell them they're wrong.
and all that you do is follow along blindly because you know no better. I guess the ride is fun even though no one knows where they're goin'.
try thinking for yourselves and question what you read. gk has gone astray with heterodyning (unless he has a better argument than "goodbye"), so what else here might be wrong?
BEP, you ought to brush up on your electronics. ::)
heterodyning is just a fancy word for mixing, which is a fancy way of saying the multiplication of two (or more) wave forms. Get radio out of your mind, it applies to any electrical signals mixed in a non-linear medium. (including radio applications).
4 quadrant multipliers are mixers, as an eg. You must have at least 2 signals in order to get your resultant products.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 04, 2008, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: Super God on April 04, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
At least he's doing something. All you do is tell them they're wrong.
and all that you do is follow along blindly because you know no better. I guess the ride is fun even though no one knows where they're goin'.
try thinking for yourselves and question what you read. gk has gone astray with heterodyning (unless he has a better argument than "goodbye"), so what else here might be wrong?
Let me puff up here. 18 months ago I offered a technical description of what Hutchison was doing with 2 Telsa coils and a tranducer. Up to that point I/we had nothing explaning what the hell was going on. 3 freqs. I mean way high freqs. Heterodyning at an unbelievable level of nexus or intersection. The rest of the journey has been an exceptional trip into a new reality that others have followed along with. The Philadelphia experiment fits in here too. Massive magnetic field generation.
@poynt99,
If you think I am making myself a god to followers then you are incorrect. I merely post the results of the tests that occur to me as I stand on shoulders of others greater than me. The truth is out there my friend and I am scrambling to pull it together for what I deem necessary. Far leaps are what I do. I have met alot of cool and intelligent people here by communicating in a respectful manner. I don't know about them or their full pasts. But all opinions are valid as long as they contribute in a positive manner toward a like goal. I would like to see you join. This OU thing is a good show.
--giantkiller. If you don't want to believe then you can't enjoy the journey.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 04, 2008, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: Super God on April 04, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
At least he's doing something. All you do is tell them they're wrong.
and all that you do is follow along blindly because you know no better. I guess the ride is fun even though no one knows where they're goin'.
try thinking for yourselves and question what you read. gk has gone astray with heterodyning (unless he has a better argument than "goodbye"), so what else here might be wrong?
I am impressed. The last person to get personally bashed was Steven Mark just last month. Remember that? Guess its my turn now. Wow, in the club at last.
Why does this happen and who are these people? Hate mongers, Tiraders? No wonder the world is screwed up.
Those that can
do are always told
'no' by those that can't.
--giantkiller. Oh well. Nothing stops me. Hence the name.
I like Naudin's explanation of Tesla's waves. You can see how they can keep their shit together. They screw with the aether instead of the aether screwing with them. Now if you keep those waves on a circular track you are bound to get some crazy shit going on. Thanks Gk for the feed. I had know idea what Tesla was talking about when he said non-hertzian electromagnetic waves.
Poynt,
I'm not disagreeing with the technical information youââ,¬â,,¢ve posted in the last few posts. Iââ,¬â,,¢m disagreeing with your apparent poynt. Iââ,¬â,,¢m wondering if it is really the zero point.
Look at it as providing all the signals or use one or more to combine with an existing signal. The results are all that matter.
I make one or two posts a week ââ,¬â€œ at best. Todayââ,¬â,,¢s post gets me a suggestion to brush up. Sorry. Too busy. Iââ,¬â,,¢m quite sure there are more parts on my bench with that pesky bit of smoke trapped inside ââ,¬â€œ just a begginââ,¬â,,¢ to go free.
Best to let it out. You suggest I brush up on my electronics. I suggest you go let some smoke free. Youââ,¬â,,¢ll feel better later.
for as long as you avoid discussing the technical aspects of heterodyning, (or any matter) there is nothing more to say on my part, and the premise of this thread is in question.
think conspiracies all you want, I'm not what you think.
I have said what needed to be said here, that was my main goal.
If you want to talk technician to technician, or engineer to engineer, ok, otherwise I would argue that the conjecture is purely on your part.
I'm not bashing you. By not backing up what you say when asked plainly, you're doing it to yourself. I made my case, I invite you to make yours.
Quote from: sparks on April 04, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
I like Naudin's explanation of Tesla's waves. You can see how they can keep their shit together. They screw with the aether instead of the aether screwing with them. Now if you keep those waves on a circular track you are bound to get some crazy shit going on. Thanks Gk for the feed. I had know idea what Tesla was talking about when he said non-hertzian electromagnetic waves.
Yes. When looking at the circular TEM you drive 2 loops in the same direction the mag fields run in opposite directions into each other between the layers. That clash occurs 8 times on the GK4 becauseI have 3 layers. It explains the profuse effect coming off the sides. I didn't know it at the time I was testing. To quote the master 'I stumbled upon it'. My test just shot energy radially outward. Now I understand.
A test that I have in the wings now is to retest the GK4 but drive the center layer in the opposite direction effectly creating 2 Circular TEMs in parallel. Can't be all wrong if this is a compound assignment of previous successfull tests by others now can it?
--giantkiller. I have a long test list...
@BEP,
If you are so certain that heterodyning is the correct term to be used in this work, surely you can explain how exactly gk is obtaining this with his speaker setup?
spend all your time letting the smoke out of all your chips if that makes you feel better, and if the fundamentals that you learned slip out of memory and clarity, it's no big deal....right? Who needs 'em?
heaven forbid you should learn something new that you can apply at the bench right?
what bunkum
@GK
I know I was rough. I would be rough with anyone that has OU and blunders it so badly.
@ALL
Sorry to bud in.
I just found this document and at this part of it has some very interesting stuff.
You can read the whole page but in general here is some nice information.
http://www.thewebfairy.com/missilegate/rfz/swaz/chapter13.htm#e
The whole doc starts here;
http://www.thewebfairy.com/missilegate/rfz/swaz/
@GK
It's OK, You are still a hero in my book.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 04, 2008, 10:12:25 PMyou don't have heterodyning.
You do not get the point. Transformers and coils are known to be non-linear and prone to effect called 'saturation'. This is where heterodyning happens, especially when two or more coils have overlapping EM fields. Since each coil carries its own frequency this creates a heterodyning effect.
Heterodyning effect should also happen on the edge of vibrating surface - where acoustic wave changes its direction (where it is 'reborn' if we are speaking about resonance). If you have two sound sources striking such vibrating surface under different angles this may also create heterodyning effect with a new frequency popping out of nowhere. Hence the three speaker arrangement may work to produce some new kind of frequency. It may be even pretty hard to 'see' what this arrangement may produce: it's an overly complex system, with two modes near the cone of each speaker. These modes are also modulated by the speaker cone, this should produce a Dopler effect and hence a birth of two new frequencies: one low (when cone goes back) and one high (when cone goes forth).
After a bit of thought, I should say that this arrangement can also help at production of DC acoustic waves if all speakers are running at the same frequency. You may carry out a test and it should show that speakers are moving toward each other or vice versa - run from each other. If the speakers are placed on wheels, this effect should be most apparent. If this proves to be valid, the reality of this effect can be much more deep and it can be used for more than just shaking walls (have you tried putting a plain copper wire in front of any of these cones and measuring voltage on its ends? - well, both ends of the wire should be placed several feets out of the circle with these speakers - you may not even need a closed circuit: just put voltagemeter terminal on ground and the other terminal on one of the ends of the wire; only one thing is needed here: that the wire is placed closely to the cone where hypothetical DC acoustic wave is born). Or you may run a wire near all cones and connect both ends to close the loop. Use ground and this connection as a possible energy source.
Of course, standard cones are not the best test device since they are dish-shaped. Solid-state planar resonators is a better thing.
Well, after these ideas the 'secret' of Stonehenge is probably resolved for me. It's clearly a constant anti-gravity 'hill' with force peaks and dips depending on the time of day and season. If soul is a physical substance it may become liberated in an anti-gravity field - but you should stay near the vertical stone, there is no 'mystical' power in the center of the Stonehenge. If you run a closed wire along the circumference of the working Stonehenge you may get some electrical energy with Earth being "-" and the closed wire being "+".
Quote from: sparks on April 04, 2008, 11:21:08 PMnon-hertzian electromagnetic waves.
Check my DC acoustic waves hypothesis. They can be also called 'non-hertzian' since they do not have an inherent 'period of oscillation', but their intensity can be modulated.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Anti-Gravity:DC_Acoustic_Waves_Hypothesis I really think this should put down a lot of 'nay' sayers with enough competence in multi-dimensional Fourier transforms. They were looking into a wrong direction. They can't deny mathematical existence of DC acoustic waves.
An analogy of two magnetic fields mixing or hetrodyning whatever. Two trucks going down the road in opposite directions. The air currents or pressure waves due to their inertial energy is being compressed and relaxed along the boundarys of their mass. These two trucks are actually heading on a collision course but as the bow shock of the vehicles meet it creates a compression field. The trucks are diverted left and right around this compression field and the air currents coming off the trucks cause the compressed field to not only compress more but also to spin as it is being compressed.
The trucks loose no more energy then they would passing down the road far apart but they leave a little tornado right in the middle of the road that was never there before. Man has created matter from thin air.
Quote from: sparks on April 05, 2008, 08:21:41 AMMan has created matter from thin air.
Yep, and this vortex is created because on collision of air masses a standing DC acoustic wave is created which works as a local gravity force and thus creates a bit of non-linearity (impact wave itself may not carry DC acoustic waves as impact wave can be seen as propagation of synchronized acoustic waves, DC acoustic wave could be present the moment when the impact wave was created, though). Turbulence and sea-waves are all about this. It's so obvious I'm almost laughing nobody noticed it. :) Without such 'local gravity force' how do you think air masses can interact non-linearly as the air is otherwise a linear medium for any kinetic waves?
Interaction of two high-velocity impact waves can be also seen as interaction of two solid plates (because substance that carries impact wave is highly compressed in the impact wave cone), but when two solid plates slap each other, they do create DC kinetic wave component. It is this component which produces a gravity vortex and which can be sustained for a moment - in most cases it fades away, of course, as the air is basically a linear medium.
@GK
Is it your experience that the magnetic flux should move CCW in the upper coil and CW in the lower coil? I have one long wire making up my upper and lower coils with iron garden wire cores. Do you see two spikes appearing at almost the same time (I think generated within the lower coil)? Have you tried a 3" lower coil, a 6" middle coil to extract the energy, and a 9" upper coil? ( 3,6,9) Has anyone else seen a fog or mist emanating from their lower coil?
Don't let the distracters discourage you. We are close to solving this riddle. There are many possible configurations but only one basic principle.
@ alecks
I believe there are some kind of dc potential emitted or received at the poles. There is a migration of hydrogen ions towards the north pole which pickup enough speed to escape Earth's gravity as a huge hydrogen plasma fountain. At the south pole there are much heavier chlorine ions accumulating which don't escape Earth's gravity and are creating the ozone hole. (Wish these would get the hell out of here.) So beyond just solar charging of the layers of the ionophsere there seems to be some kind of dc potential between the holes in the ionosphere at the poles, ( as demonstrated by the selective ion migration.) I don't know if this is some kind of energy exchange with the Sun but it seems to have happened on Mars before where whole Oceans of liquid got expelled at the poles. Could gravity itself be some kind of DC field?
Quote from: mflynn44 on April 05, 2008, 11:46:12 AM
@GK
Is it your experience that the magnetic flux should move CCW in the upper coil and CW in the lower coil? I have one long wire making up my upper and lower coils with iron garden wire cores. Do you see two spikes appearing at almost the same time (I think generated within the lower coil)? Have you tried a 3" lower coil, a 6" middle coil to extract the energy, and a 9" upper coil? ( 3,6,9) Has anyone else seen a fog or mist emanating from their lower coil?
Don't let the distracters discourage you. We are close to solving this riddle. There are many possible configurations but only one basic principle.
Tesla stated his favorite coil shape was the cone or trapezoid. That would mean big on the bottom. As far as the GK4 with iron cores goes I tested it on @ jan 1/ 2007 and then for 2 days after that. I felt the bodily effects and posted it. The reports back from those experienced in microwave and radio said not to touch it. The headache lasted 2 days so I disconnected the coil and never turned it on again. I basically created a microwave stun gun of sorts. I had 3 layers all pulsed in the same direction. Had I known at the time I should have pulsed the bottom layer CW and the top layer CCW then read the middle layer. All core layers are iron wire. Tesla mentions that also so I put 2 and 2 together when SM mentioned it. Only far fetched to those that couldn't see the simple suggestions. The rest of the wire runs are copper.
I choose not to argue with what was said and shown by Tesla, Keely, Schaumberger, Hutchison, Steven Mark, or Marco. There are others also that hold just as great respect. We all know the newbies don't want to read, build, or jump way outside the box. I don't blame them either. The thread count is massive. You just have to get on board here because academia is so far far behind the curve on this one.
And anyone who would aruge with who is mentioned here just doesn't get it.. Much pity for them souls. They wait at the gas pumps and complain in their darkness.
--giantkiller. Yes we are close. But the naysayers make for good coverup.
Quote from: sparks on April 05, 2008, 05:00:21 PMCould gravity itself be some kind of DC field?
Yep, I believe it IS a DC potential field. Its 'visible' effect is that it instantly changes length standard thus creating space non-linearity which also leads to compression of time standard. However, matter-energy relationships within this "compressed" space or time are unchanged leading to difference of process durations inside and outside the gravity potential field (e.g. atomic clocks will desync inside and outside this field). As a potential field it is close to magnetic or electric DC fields, but it affects ALL possible matter and thus all energy fields and all kinetic processes. Its obvious effect is that it may attract or repel surrounding matter and their energy waves (be them acoustic or ether-based EM waves). This - in turn - may result in matter integration and disintegration. BTW, the "self assembly" of matter in potential non-equilibrium is a proven fact - somebody even got a Nobel prize for proving that.
I have an idea that DC acoustic waves are 'unification' point of EM and acoustic waves. They may not be distinguishable in their effect. However, I think calling them 'DC acoustic waves' is a more correct approach than to call them 'EM scalar waves', because it can be clearly shown that DC acoustic wave is 'virtual' where as 'DC EM wave' is usually associated with DC magnetic or electric field, but it's not the same thing at all. DC magnetic and electric fields are based on electron streams whereas DC acoustic waves are
process happening when impact of matter particles occurs. You may create DC acoustic waves with EM radiation, but only if it's powerful enough to create virtual material surfaces (see previous post about impact waves in the air) - pulsing is a good candidate here (I've mentioned that several times already).
BTW, I want to correct my previous post: when air masses strike each other, they create anti-gravity field, but when they travel closely without impact this creates gravity field. Actually, gravity and anti-gravity effect estimation in any given situation can be made if a good theory is created first. Since I'm only hypothesizing I may mistakenly use word 'gravity' where I should have really used 'anti-gravity'. But overall "picture" should be correct nevertheless.
Speaking of Earth, I've read that Earth's north pole may reveal a 'hexagon' formation - the same thing as photographed on Saturn last year. It is visibly somehow related to emitting pressure waves from several points in space placed in geometric fashion. I wonder if this is some kind of spin self-regulation of planets meaning planets can create additional gravity potential they need.
@alecks
Then the major difference between the gravity field and the dc em field would be that gravity also effects the neutron mass. My first intuitive explanation of the tpu dynamics was that the tpu created a form of matter which then was able to receive and react to potential energy scources liken to a small planet. This involved the response of the ambient potential energy waves to a dc field gradient arising from the ionizaton of the copper atoms in the collector coils. The electrons from these conductor atoms were added to an inertial spin field (a significant increase in the conductive band seperation from the valence orbitals within the conductor) leaving the ionized copper atoms to form an increased "gravitational" field. The collector winding of the tpu essentially becoming a capacitor with the electron inertial field the - plate and the ionized copper atoms the positive plate.
Quote from: sparks on April 06, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
My first intuitive explanation of the tpu dynamics was that the tpu created a form of matter which then was able to receive and react to potential energy scources liken to a small planet. This involved the response of the ambient potential energy waves to a dc field gradient arising from the ionizaton of the copper atoms in the collector coils. The electrons from these conductor atoms were added to an inertial spin field (a significant increase in the conductive band seperation from the valence orbitals within the conductor) leaving the ionized copper atoms to form an increased "gravitational" field. The collector winding of the tpu essentially becoming a capacitor with the electron inertial field the - plate and the ionized copper atoms the positive plate.
Well, I can't tell if it works that way, but my initial idea was also of this type (except that possible ionization is a result of gravity formation, not the cause of it).
I thought that TPU pulsing creates DC acoustic waves that produce local gravity (or anti-gravity) potential gradient. This gradient-in turn-adds to all ambient potential fields and thus may lead to matter disintegration or integration. During this matter disintegration or integration an energy may be produced and particles may be released since local gravity potential gradient affects their equilibrium greatly: such gravity gradient should be much more invasive than just an EM or acoustic wave, or particle bombardment, because it affects length standard and this may skew distances between electron quantum levels. It is like cutting a thin wire that holds tons of weight from falling.
I see it's hard to imaging these DC acoustic waves. Imagine an acoustic wave that appeared at some point in space, as a momentary compression or rarefaction of surrounding area. Now imagine the period of the wave lengthens infinitely, but the initial compression or rarefaction area does not move. You will realize that what's left is the infinitely-long gradient of rarefaction or compression (depending on the polarity of the wave) in the very center of the area where compression or rarefaction started. The intensity of this compression or rarefaction changes with inverse square law relative to the point in space where it started. This was a static picture. When you press "play", this area of compression or rarefaction will cause an impact wave to propagate. However, it is during this initial non-equilibrium moment when DC acoustic wave is present. This DC wave formation quickly fades away as the matter re-gains equilibrium visible as impact wave propagation.
I think this DC acoustic wave can be also called an acoustic (mechanical) singularity, because 1/(x^2) is a "singularity" equation to my knowledge. The very center of this formation has infinite "strength", but its side-lobes can fade away fast or slow with distance, depending on the "magnitude" of the formation. I may speculate that it's a "dirac" spike function in 3D "pressure equilibrium" space with 1/(x^2) windowing (it is probably some natural function windowing arising from space dimensionality, for one-dimensional time-dependent Dirac function I would use 1 and that would impose time-independent DC bias). Fourier transform of Dirac function is a broadband spectrum from DC to infinite (or Nyquist) frequency. It is this DC frequency which I call DC acoustic wave.
I think everybody on OU is starting to realize that vast amounts of potential energy are stored in matter and that we only need to invest enough potential energy the right way to disintegrate matter and let mother nature reconstitute it so we can vibrate it apart again. We don't need to fool around with the strong and weak neuclear bonds of an atomic mass in order to release energy from a natural resonant system. Just realize what is keeping that resonant structure together and push one of the parameters of the field and collect the potential energy trapped in the resonant matter. This is not any different then burning a forest with a match. Mother nature will build another forest ready for another match. Just need to do it a greater frequency. ;)
Quote from: sparks on April 06, 2008, 02:03:51 PMJust need to do it a greater frequency. ;)
Yep, exactly my thoughts, too. ;)
Okay, I've been rather sick for a day or two. I was very lucky to have access to powerful antivirals.
Not surprising to see that poynt has not left his armchair. Don't waste your time with people like this, they are here to slow us down.
I have new cave set up.
Connected GK4 and Notched PVC coil to LT6904 osc thru DC726a usb. Segments of GK4 resonates at 31MGhz. Driver is a TIP41. These really arent the best so i will switch over to the IR840 FETS using the ECD fet driver. I just pulled working stages out of boxes and threw it together on the bench.
I will load Feynman's ATmel code to my Diecimila flash board. Travelling down multiple paths.
@Feynman,
Tnx for the Oscs. Now I can push into the higher freqs.
Now for the bad news. I have 60hz hum real bad. I have to ground all unused segments to test 1. These coils are tremendous TX and RC antennas. Tank circuits do me no good in this setup.
Looks like the posting storm has passed.
--giantkiller.
GK,
Yep.. the trolls have gone, for now.
When your gk4 baby gives you the"eebie jeebies" again it might be interesting to get hold of a small geiger counter and take a few measurements.
BTW, one of the "truths" behind coils is that in the presence of EM fields they are actually behaving like mechanical resonators, because their wires are "slapping" each other constantly when EM fields and current fluctuates. This fact should not be dismissed as it can be also important. (well, I know that in pro audio "transformer sound" is a desired artifact that makes a rich sound - it's not only about magnetic core saturation, but also about various "noises").
@Mannix,
http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=350509
Quote from: aleks on April 07, 2008, 04:11:49 AM
BTW, one of the "truths" behind coils is that in the presence of EM fields they are actually behaving like mechanical resonators, because their wires are "slapping" each other constantly when EM fields and current fluctuates. This fact should not be dismissed as it can be also important. (well, I know that in pro audio "transformer sound" is a desired artifact that makes a rich sound - it's not only about magnetic core saturation, but also about various "noises").
I put buzzmags inside along the coil edge to magnify the sound. The tweeting and chattering were quite prominent.
--giantkiller.
@GK
Would you describe the energy produced by the kick windings as a scalar em wave or as alecks calls it a dcacoustic wave? I was going to do an experiment to see if there is any gain when a scalar wave (assuming I can produce one) influences a second coil. I believe that a scalar empulse confines itself to spacetime coordinates and does not really radiate. The apparent radiation is from other inertial fields traversing the scalar wave coordinates.
Quote from: sparks on April 07, 2008, 10:51:09 AMThe apparent radiation is from other inertial fields traversing the scalar wave coordinates.
I think the same. When you are 'catching' scalar wave you are actually catching
local perturbation that scalar wave (DC acoustic wave) causes. The same is true for creating DC acoustic wave. You are creating a specific explosive or implosive perturbation by mechanical or electric means, which produces non-equilibrium conditions that can be defined as a sum of elementary sinusoidal kinetic vibrations that are "born" in the center of the perturbation. But what's important is that this sum of kinetic vibrations at time 0 also contains DC component which "falls off" from standard kinetic waves propagation paradigm. Of course, other frequencies then start to propagate in a normal fashion. So, I believe this DC component energy is something severely overlooked by contemporary physics as it is an inherent component of any "sharp" (explosive or implosive) non-equilibrium conditions, if equilibrium is later re-gained by means of kinetic wave propagation.
Quote from: sparks on April 07, 2008, 10:51:09 AM
@GK
Would you describe the energy produced by the kick windings as a scalar em wave or as alecks calls it a dcacoustic wave? I was going to do an experiment to see if there is any gain when a scalar wave (assuming I can produce one) influences a second coil. I believe that a scalar empulse confines itself to spacetime coordinates and does not really radiate. The apparent radiation is from other inertial fields traversing the scalar wave coordinates.
I would say from the size of a 4" coil that 2 amps would produce a field at some distance. The reason I don't give a distance because something negligable at 6" away will produce other ranges of ranges of harmonics or products that the standard desktop environment would not be able to track. There would be results of very low power but I would like to see what the mixing results would be on a micro scale. The only way I can put is:
You drop 3 stones in water at really close timimg but not the same. The concentric waves interfere at different times. Quite complex. One stone's pattern looks more powerfull to another stone's pattern.
You would get standing, moving, cancelled waves.
Put this in multiple EM generation fields for a 3d environment like 2 Tesla coils and a moving transducer and you have a very wide range of interference points with heterodyning and harmonics. All going away from their source and returning at different and like times while intersecting a very large number of interactions in 3d space. Try to count those.
To answer your question is 'you will not only generate what you are talking about but much , much more'. There simply is too much going on. It is impossible not to in a loud / high amperage and noisy / many frequencies setup.
What we have seen in John Hutchison's demos is the result of moving sources. But some of his best results are when we don't see the generators... I contend those don't move in those setups. ;)
I am going by only the aparent visuals. Frequencies turned on, things move. Keeping it simple.
Anyone of us can get the frequencies. Pump up the amps, raise the mass then you have Wardenclyffe. Get three of those going and the Prestige doesn't look that fantastic anymore. The idea is to get a frequency at a higher exponent than the atomic complacency of the target mass.
--giantkiller. I got another 3d model movie I will draw up. I won't be a total sum of what is mentioned but a good visual none the less.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 07, 2008, 10:42:00 AMI put buzzmags inside along the coil edge to magnify the sound. The tweeting and chattering were quite prominent.
Maybe using a sealed ferro-magnetic powder core could help boost additional OU watts from the system?
Here's the company that offers powder cores: http://www.mag-inc.com/powder/powder_cores.asp http://www.mag-inc.com/powder/high_flux_cores.asp
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 03:19:41 AMStraight "Electron" movement (Physical) is
no-where near the "Speed" of the Electron Effect. Potential energy Is faster than the Electron
Effect.
I'm a bit uncertain of what you meany by 'electron effect'.
Potential energy cannot be 'faster'. Potential field is a field that causes bodies to gain velocity hence a so called potential-to-kinetic energy conversion occurs - but the velocity a body gains solely depends on the potential field differential: if it is small, the velocity gain will be small. In the essence, potential field possesses long-range action qualities, it is a DC field (I'm talking about electron's charge field, not about EM field). However, since potential field never exists without physical carrier, it cannot move in space faster than the carrier can move.
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 03:41:46 AM
My Bad
For Me, When I refer to a potential field, I am refering to what some call a Longitudal wave
or the form of radiant energy that Tesla worked with so well. It is well known, and proven
by experiment, that this type of "wave" or "Effect on the ether" as I reference it in my mind
actually travels faster than C. There have been many tests done to prove this. As I said,
it is hard for me to put my thoughts into words. There IS NO MASS required to propogate
this type of "Wave?". Just as an EM wave can travel in space, so can, what I call, a Potential wave.
I confuse people a lot because of my poor use of terminology. Sorry about that.
I understand. In my opinion, actually electron possesses this 'radiant' field, and it is constant. However, as I've replied, this field cannot "live" without its carrier. This field can work as a potential field for surrounding objects. I would not call it a 'wave' right from the beginning.
So, what do you mean by 'electron effect'?
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 03:46:08 AM
My Bad Again.
What I am calling the "Electron Effect" is the normal electrical effects that we all see.
"Electricity" movement down a wire is NOT the same as Electron Movement down a wire.
To keep it straight in my own confused mind, I call the "Electricy" movement the "Electron Effect"
to keep it seperate from the actual electron movement, which is a physical, in normal 3D, motion.
Sorry Again, but this is why I need you guys to keep me on track.
Well, 'electron effect' then means EM wave propagation? It is known that electron movement causes EM waves along the wire, which also contribute to EM field that surrounds wire.
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 03:53:43 AM
Obviously, if Magnitism were caused only by the movement of electrons, then the mag
field would HAVE to move at the speed of the Physical electrons (If you accept they exist...)
No, it's not. I know this is strange, but it is a widely-supported dogma that electrons while travelling slower than C produce EM waves that travel at C. It is EM wave that creates magnetic field, electrons have nothing to do with it. Electrons carry "charge" field (which is a potential field), it is not a magnetic nor electric field. Magnetic and electric fields are created by EM waves.
You may see this as electrons striking each other: on collision they emit EM energy around them which travels faster than electrons themselves, that creates a kind of chain kinetics propagation.
Well, I myself may be wrong about that, but it's the only possible way for me to describe the "electricity" phenomenon.
BTW, no need to shut up - be as constructively aggressive as possible.
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 04:10:17 AM
But I digress, if you accept that "EM" is the cause of the "Electron" physical movement,
does this mean that the chemical battery is using EM at the particle level, and therefore
not considered in the normal chemical reaction? Or maybe RE transform due the chemical
reaction altering the bonds at the molecular level? Just looking for ideas... Thanks
Chemical battery changes chemical bonds and this releases electrons that immediately go into opposite side of electrode where they can find their place within a new lower-potential-energy chemical construct. During this "potential field travel" electrons emit EM waves and can be made to do other useful work. Why they emit EM waves? I've gave my vision: when electrons collide during their "potential charge field travel", they cause EM waves. Of course, I'm talking about free electrons. Chemical reactions do not change matter - they only change chemical structure and thus change potential fields where free electrons are "floating". So, when chemical structure is changed, free electrons also rearrange their positions and quantities.
One idea for everyone's attention. While it is known that DC bias voltage creates DC electro-magnetic field, I think this is not the right picture to see. The created DC field is in no way a constant field: this field probably consists of small "EM wavelets" that as a sum create DC EM field. DC EM field should not be confused with DC EM scalar wave, which is a true DC wave. If you understand me correctly you should see that by conventional means you need an antenna of size of a galaxy to create a DC EM wave.
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 04:10:17 AMbut once I spent a lot of time with RF,
and realized that there is no relation to Longitudal waves, as far as touch goes, but they
affect each other.
Well, does it feel like a 'squeeze' (getting hotter) or 'expansion' (getting colder) when you sense those 'longitudal waves'?
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 05:07:36 AM
That is an interesting way of seeing EM wave creation.
Here is where I get very confused. A solid magnet. I consider a solid magnet, or bar magnet,
or any mass with associated magnetic field, to be the same force as the "EM" magnetic field.
I think permanent magnets create their fields because of "internal" perpetual motion happening inside their structure (but I strongly believe it may be powered by Earth itself - who knows?). It is like "spin" which is also a perpetual motion - not that you can get energy out of it, it should be considered a "state" of matter. So, if we assume that EM field is created because of free electron "collisions", we may quickly describe effect of superconductivity and its relation to overly low temperatures and absense of magnetic field. When matter temperature is low, too little collisions occur; while higher temperature causes free electrons to collide because they have to interact with matter and this collision probability rises with temperature.
If there is little collision, there is little amount of EM waves created and most of them are reflected without penetration: hence, NO magnetic field is created or interacted with. (I hope I've got it right). As for the "collisions" of electrons, they are probably elastic collisions: much like that of rubber balls. Two electrons can be pressed toward each other and this will give a rise to a summary potential energy. Of course, we should not dismiss the fact that ether
should exist. In this case such elastic interaction between two electrons (given they have a spin)
may create a swirling formation which I would call an "EM wavelet". This means that a part of free electron collision energy is "wasted" to create this EM wavelet.
This EM wavelet is affected by surrounding potential fields and so it returns back thus creating a constant EM field. It is like a boomerang. That's why energy is not lost and permanent magnet can be called as having "internal" perpetual motion going on. In this respect a permanent magnet "redirects" magnetic field energy of Earth: it creates a kind of "lowest tension path" for Earth's magnetic lines and thus works as an magnetic flux amplifier. Right now I cannot find other descriptions of why permanent magnets 'work': if you have any data about measurements of permanent magnet force in deep-space please let me know.
Hi Loner
You are not alone in your thoughts - excuse the pun.
Ever since seeing the SM videos I have felt that if the whole thing is real, then the small TPU shows me that the device is probably simple in construction but maybe ingenious in control of the power generating process.
My own theory on the SM TPU is that It could be simple in build and operation if SM had found a way to circulate a huge discharge of energy from a battery within the device. I feel that there must have been a power source to start with, not necessarily physically large but having the potential to deliver a high current for a short duration of time. Having released this energy, I think the coils and any associated circuitry is used to maintain the flow of current to somehow act as a supercondutor. I doubt if many experimenters have for safety reasons ever tried to harness and control the power delivered from say a 'D' cell size NICAD battery or two into a virtual short circuit, or applied to an LC oscillator that could transform it's potentially huge current into a very high voltage for further processing. Call me nuts, but I think its more likely that SM took a simplistic approach to the building of his TPUbut maybe a complex and ingeniuos method of controlling the power dissipated by the power cells that could easily have been embedded within the fabric of his TPU.
As an aside, I have repaired some switch mode PSU's and on one repair I noticed a 10K resistor that had one lead wire completely parted with a blob of copper alloy at each end of the parted wire. However, when I measured the resistance I found it to be a full 10K! It showed no apparent sign of burning on the body of the resistor. It was as if the resistor had internally combusted as we see in those weird photos of bodies that appear to have been burnt from the inside out. Having seen this, I'm open to any suggestion about how the TPU may operate. There are some very clever minds working on this conundrum called a TPU but we still seem to be no nearer in solving the mystery.
Clive
Slowing things down.... With iron wire if your theory is correct because of the different cores we know electricity does conduct better in different materials and in different conditions. This to me reminds me over superconductivity talking about slowing current....
To tackle the heat issues there is always a means of cooling ....
Iron aluminum alloy, fans, refrigerants...
NASA has discovered a way to make processors that can operate fine at 6000 degrees something else to keep in mind.... Eliminate the heat issue which plagues every industry really operational today operating at extreme temperatures. Nothing new here.
I think what needs to be factored in here with materials is what causes super conductivity in the material + temp or -temp or possibly both and try to stray from moving in that direction(s)... If it is resistance we seek temperature is know to cause more or less resistance...
On the basis of these facts I myself wonder if this couldn't be an issue with achieving an easy working model I would assume the temperature in the environment would have an effect on the coils as well as moisture...
Now i will venture off topic because I cannot help but do so and this gives me an idea dint know why it did but I figured I would document my idea before I forget as I often tend to do.... And believe me I have had many good ideas but some stooped short by forgetting one problem with the system only yesterday have I came up with a good idea that is feasible for a cheap DIY wind turbine which I will not share until I can confirm it works which will be a long road.
I will give this idea:
Instead of using plates in electrolysis why not use hair thin copper wire in a vortex coil shape wrapped around a thicker gauge iron core or vice versa...
Also test a tightly wrapped vortex with a supporting structure of different dissimilar metals (hair thin) wrapped closely together but not touching what I am looking for is the plucking of the string effect to make a difference not only that but if done correctly bubbles formed would easily make there way to the top the tornado shape may be more officiant if turned upside down even it is very hard to say without testing...
If someone could test this along with variations along these lines please do as I have not seen people use super thin stretched tight wire in there setups... Also make the setup with features that would allow easy replacement... Drop in a new vortex and go... This is wild and I have nothing concrete to backup anything it is just something I haven't seen tested that may work. Please test and post results if you are an avid experimenter with the equipment to do so..
It is interesting cause if the lines of dissimilar metals run next to each other like a guitar pickup in a vortexshape the fields running next to and above and below may cause more reaction ...
Hell maybe a TPU underwater would cause proper harmonics to break up water and the water would cool the iron core solving the heat issues!!!!
See where I'm going with this ?
Anyhow good work guys keep it up free power ain't impossible it is just an unknown that is seen everyday in nature perpetual motion is not possible because everything in the universe has a time period for which it will break down to dispurse itself as energy. But things can move perpetually for a lifetime of a human and that is more then enough to generate free power! The creation and destruction of matter could be thought of a perpetual event always on going slowly.
Books are great entertainment as they entertain thought. Laws are made to be broken.
-infringer-
Hey guys...
Jon just sent me this graph of his TPU resonance, I think he is heterodyning two frequencies. I thought the graph was fascinating, so I'd figure I'd post it!!
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@Loner
The blip at the 256 value was a measurement error. Thoes happen every once in a while.
The graph is a plot of the output from my 6" TPU with two frequencies. The first was set at the value 125 and the second frequency sweeps through the spectrum. The First frequency was set at a peak output from sweeping a single frequency.
The values DR stand for dIgital resistor. They are the absolute values sent to the chips. The Khz value is my estimated frequency from samples i took on my scope.
A still have to do more tests but noticed that the output from two frequencies is random probably because the phase is not controlled between the two. The output was very flickery through the whole spectrum.
I am trying to sort out what is happening as the power is being transmitted using these high frequencies. I have yet to measure the current flow going to the controll coils. It doesn't behave like an EM field. The collector coils don't have to be coils they can be a wire in close proximity to the collector coil. The output of the collector coil also doesn't have to use both wires, a single wire to two opposite diodes will produce almost as much output as both terminals.
Very interesting stuff. I will set up the tests to run longer and organize the data so I can leave it running for a week and find the maximum output frequencies.
I suspect that the phase between the frequencies is an interesting thing to experiment with but its really hard to control. The mosfets im using have a turn on/off time of 4ns, thats enough time for the electrical charge to travel at least one rotation of the toroid. I will post more results soon.
Quote from: infringer on April 08, 2008, 01:10:00 PMThis to me reminds me over superconductivity talking about slowing current....
Should be so if electron collisions are a reality. No electron collisions = no EM waves, meaning electrical current flows at the pace of electrons, not at C.
Quote from: infringer on April 08, 2008, 01:10:00 PMLaws are made to be broken.
The only "law" I would personally love to see broken is the one that dictates that gravity is caused by an unbearable concept of mass-energy.
Quote from: Loner on April 08, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
This really doesn't prove anything as far as Mag fields go in that line of reasoning, however, cause
the sun has a MUCH more powerful field and between here and the moon, the difference would
not be too great. Also, the voyager probe did have the high-power xmitter failure to return to
operation. Was this because of a unforseen magnetic field problem? (It switched to backup
from human error, but couldn't be switched back......)
Thanks for the input!
Jon, are you sweeping with sine wave or square wave? If the latter, I would suggest you to sweep using sinewaves first. Sweeping with square wave produces complex results that are hard to analyze, especially if heterodyning is concerned. Heterodyning is best understood with elementary waveforms. Phase may be important if we are talking about colliding magnetic fields. If a wrong phase relationship is chosen, mag fields may not collide. For heterodyning alone phase is irrelevant.
These are square waves generated off linear devices ICs. I agree aleks, they are much harder to analyze.
Unfortunately, this is the only set up we have at the moment. I think we can get sine waves by using low pass filters. This area will definitely be explored. ;)
Also, I have selected buffer ICs to use.. they are very fast (2.5ns).
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Loner, could you please describe what kind of shape a magnetic field possesses from your experiment that caused your teachers to go angry? (I also had a similar situation when I showed that linear minimax solver could not be used to solve discrete value problems - not what our Phd teacher told us at first).
Sorry for repeating myself, but I want to say it again that sawtooth pulses may be much more efficient than square wave ones. This is partially confirmed by Otto's design: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html See the coils_019 image. It can be described as a low-power square wave summed with a -12dB/oct low-passed sawtooth wave. The square wave is a waste while sawtooth part is looking ideal.
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
Sorry for repeating myself, but I want to say it again that sawtooth pulses may be much more efficient than square wave ones. This is partially confirmed by Otto's design: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html See the coils_019 image. It can be described as a low-power square wave summed with a -12dB/oct low-passed sawtooth wave. The square wave is a waste while sawtooth part is looking ideal.
It all depends on what you are trying to do.
what
are you trying to do?
btw, as a "troll" i guess i should
look the part
double post
Poynt
Thats all we need another Troll on this board LOL
Peter
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 11:09:59 AMwhat are you trying to do?
I'm trying to collect data and observations that may prove existence of DC force formations (DC acoustic waves, or scalar waves, or radiant energy or whatever). I have a hypothesis, I have speculated that Dirac function http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function (or Kronecker delta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronecker_delta) can be used to define non-equilibrium conditions where via multi-dimensional Fourier math the existence of DC wave component can be revealed.
Gravity in this respect can be also defined as DC force formation which is, however, is not some magical feature of "mass", but is a result of explosive or implosive sub-atomic and possibly inter-atomic and inter-molecular interactions. Electron having a constant charge field also suits well here, and its charge field can be defined as an "anti-gravity" DC force formation which is produced by its internal sub-electron interactions.
It's a pretty cool generalization, and if it stands to be correct, we can have a whole new world of unlimited energy-matter transformations.
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 11:09:59 AMwhat are you trying to do?
I'm trying to collect data and observations that may prove existence of DC force formations (DC acoustic waves, or scalar waves, or radiant energy or whatever). I have a hypothesis, I have speculated that Dirac function http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function (or Kronecker delta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronecker_delta) can be used to define non-equilibrium conditions where via multi-dimensional Fourier math the existence of DC wave component can be revealed.
Gravity in this respect can be also defined as DC force formation which is, however, is not some magical feature of "mass", but is a result of explosive or implosive sub-atomic and possibly inter-atomic and inter-molecular interactions. Electron having a constant charge field also suits well here, and its charge field can be defined as an "anti-gravity" DC force formation which is produced by its internal sub-electron interactions.
It's a pretty cool generalization, and if it stands to be correct, we can have a whole new world of unlimited energy-matter transformations.
what does a saw-tooth (which you seem to like a lot) have to do with a dirac-delta function?
should have said instead of "you", but "you guys". re. squares, sines, saw-tooth etc. what are you trying to do with these wave forms?
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
what does a saw-tooth (which you seem to like a lot) have to do with a dirac-delta function?
Well, the front of saw-tooth wave is a Dirac delta function. Square wave has TWO such fronts, but they are + and - Dirac delta functions, so they negate each other. Hypothetically one creates "anti-gravity" and the other creates "gravity". The net effect is zero. Saw-tooth is different in this respect in that it creates "anti-gravity" only, and then
slowly fades away without creating additional non-equilibrium.
For example, if you connect saw-tooth signal to some mechanical two-sided "hammer" that strikes two surfaces with its sides, it will violently strike surface 1 and then slowly strike surface 2. As a result, surface 1 will be more deformed in comparison to surface 2.
Well, the same happens in atomic lattice and electron flow. When sawtooth's front forces electrons to flow, they strike atomic lattice and each other violently causing heat dissipation and (hypothetically) DC force formation.
You may try to argue that it's better to strike up and down, but I think it's not the case. When you are striking down (in the case of a square wave) you already have an electron flow running. So, when you are dropping current from 12V to 0, the effect is reverse: atomic lattice goes back into the state of equilibrium. This also creates a DC force formation, but regarding overunity power it will sieze the surplus effect of the previous wave front.
These 'non-equilibirum' DC formation effects are universal in my opinion. The only question is how strong they are and how frequently they are created. Another question is how the energy flow is organized: if you do not use the possible surplus energy, it will dissipate or go back where it was "sitting". In the essence this means you need this device to work in a potential field in order to direct released energy. I think some low-power DC bias coil may do a good job at this. Without such potential field I do not see how released energy (if any) can be directed to do work.
Another possibility is that you do not need to close the load circuitry: have your collector coil with one end disconnected. If surplus energy potential is there, in the collector coil, it will go along wires as a least tension way. Well, Tesla had his "one-wire" power transfer line.
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
what does a saw-tooth (which you seem to like a lot) have to do with a dirac-delta function?
Well, the front of saw-tooth wave is a Dirac delta function. Square wave has TWO such fronts, but they are + and - Dirac delta functions, so they negate each other. Hypothetically one creates "anti-gravity" and the other creates "gravity". The net effect is zero. Saw-tooth is different in this respect in that it creates "anti-gravity" only, and then slowly fades away without creating additional non-equilibrium.
careful with this assessment. the dirac-delta function is a math construct only and can not be made in practice. also, it is of zero duration, so a saw-tooth (or anything else) can't be equated to this. we can only try to approach this with a brief pulse.
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You may try to argue that it's better to strike up and down, but I think it's not the case. When you are striking down (in the case of a square wave) you already have an electron flow running. So, when you are dropping current from 12V to 0, the effect is reverse: atomic lattice goes back into the state of equilibrium. This also creates a DC force formation, but regarding overunity power it will sieze the surplus effect of the previous wave front.
if you let the pulse "relax" instead of forcefully driving it "LO", you will have your psuedo-saw-tooth.
Re: Making Waves
While most of us are using square wave oscillators at the high end frequencies the wave turns into a semi triangle because of the semiconductor turn on time. I do want the square wave though.
SM commented that the kick occurs when you first send current down a wire and that it radiates perpendicularly from the wire. At the high frequencies, (possibly way higher than SM used) the wire acts as a transmitter so I don't know what effect a sign wave or saw wave would have. Its not a transformer where the collapsing field induces current in the secondary winding. I have noticed that the TPU control coils don't have to be coiled around the collector but just a piece of wire close by.
Also he said that the timing or tuning is extreamly precise. So much so that using some PCB boards that absorb moisture was enough to throw it off. I am assuming that if you pulse three instantaneous spikes so that they align in the TPU you will receive a cumulative addition. i.e. if there is a free energy component to an instantaneous kick on each channel then combining them should give you the maximum output.
Also SM mentioned that an understanding of "pure frequency" is important. A possible interpretation of this is a instantaneous kick, on and off with no wave at all. That is just a frequency. I want to trim the duty cycle from 50% to the smallest possible while still receiving the maximum amplitude. If the kick occurs at the start of the pulse then the longer the pulse lasts the lower ratio of FE procured by the kick has.
Thoughts and comments appreciated.
Jon
http://freeenergygroup.com/
@Jon
good coherent thinking
not sure about the perpendicular comment..got a reference to that?
check for electrostatic coupling.
agree with you on the "pure frequency" comment. people automatically assume it means "pure sine"
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
careful with this assessment. the dirac-delta function is a math construct only and can not be made in practice. also, it is of zero duration, so a saw-tooth (or anything else) can't be equated to this. we can only try to approach this with a brief pulse.
Dirac delta function is an ideal approximation. Nevertheless it is a
delta function. Saw-tooth and square waves both change their values abruptly, hence delta function is applicable. Fourier transforms of Dirac delta function is a square convering a range of frequencies, which also contains DC component. Are you trying to dangle this fact? Duration of delta transition only affects the highest frequency and energy you can attain: the faster the transition, the higher the overall energy.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
if you let the pulse "relax" instead of forcefully driving it "LO", you will have your psuedo-saw-tooth.
This is what spark gap does, but it is uncontrollable to the required degree.
So in this previous explanation is a very good explanation the action placed on the electron and the response back. Included again is the open ended collector description.
Here I include the signal length description:
The triangle represents the pulse direction.
The pictures below each coil shows the magnetic field.
Coil A represents the frequency at or below the circumference. Here is show the circumferal freqency with a 50% duty cycle. Only half the coil gets the action. If we raise the frequency we get more pulses on each turn.
Coil B is made up of continuous wire of 4 turns. The circumferal frequency is down by a factor of 4.125. The pulse ends up back on the circumference start but 4 turns out.
Hence at this time the whole coil is energized thus the DC aspect. We now have an energy field to play with. AC anyone? Could the AC be the ringing of the signal at the start of settling time or the action of changing the wave through the pulse on or off time. This has been said before. But here we are with the lowest common denominators.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Jon on April 09, 2008, 02:16:12 PMI do want the square wave though.
Well, in that case just use a diode on the load circuitry (on both connections) so that energy does not flow back on the "off" front, this way:
--|<-- collector coil -->|--
Hope this makes sense.
@ aleks
it's a construct, which means it doesn't exist in reality. It is not ideal and it is not an approximation of anything. pulses, unit step functions, square wave edges, saw-tooth edges, these are all approximations (quite poor actually, except a very narrow pulse) of the dirac-delta function, or impulse.
so the edges contain high frequencies and DC. we know that. the question still is, what do you guys want to do with these edges/wave forms?
you can heterodyne with any wave form type and number you choose. what do you want for an output?
@poynt99
not sure about the perpendicular comment..got a reference to that?
Thanks for the reference on electrostatic coupling.
See: http://www.thewaterengine.com/pdf/stevenmarktpu.pdf
Quote:
A man by the name of Tesla had seen this.
He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur.
So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors.
It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly.
This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
I mentioned it because it appears that that is what I have observed.
@aleks
--|<-- collector coil -->|--
Thanks ill try that.
In regards to the SM17. There are 2 pairs of Parallel RC circuits with wires running to the ring. If these wires were wrapped around the ring loops and then the big loops basically could be a pair of antennas. There are also diodes at this base plate area.
Transmit out, receive back in. Each loop 180 degress out of phase with each other. And we can gently sway the energy potential back and forth across the vertical gap of the rings. Like alternately pushing the sides of a pliable container of liquid.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:53:20 PM
so the edges contain high frequencies and DC. we know that. the question still is, what do you guys want to do with these edges/wave forms?
Well, I can only answer for myself. In acoustic (phonon) space, this DC component produces gravity hill or well. Is it hard to envision possible outcome of this?
@Jon,
yes, Tesla and his radiant energy. can't say i've seen anyone here achieve this RE effect, or at least be able to collect it in a real useable manner with a load. electrostatic coupling (i.e capacitive) can account for 99% of your output i would say.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
@Jon,
yes, Tesla and his radiant energy. can't say i've seen anyone here achieve this RE effect, or at least be able to collect it in a real useable manner with a load. electrostatic coupling (i.e capacitive) can account for 99% of your output i would say.
Hail to fishermen!
Quote from: Jon on April 09, 2008, 02:57:39 PMThis kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
To be expected. Try to clap your hands - the air goes out perpendicularly to the direction of your hands.
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 02:53:20 PM
so the edges contain high frequencies and DC. we know that. the question still is, what do you guys want to do with these edges/wave forms?
Well, I can only answer for myself. In acoustic (phonon) space, this DC component produces gravity hill or well. Is it hard to envision possible outcome of this?
do you mean phonons as in the quantum mechnical realm or classical mechanical (sound waves/pressure zones etc.) realm?
i can think of how an acoustic DC component could be achieved in the classical means, but not sure where you're going if you're talkin' quantum.
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
@Jon,
yes, Tesla and his radiant energy. can't say i've seen anyone here achieve this RE effect, or at least be able to collect it in a real useable manner with a load. electrostatic coupling (i.e capacitive) can account for 99% of your output i would say.
Hail to fishermen!
sorry, i'm just a dumb little troll, what does your post mean?
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:22:53 PMdo you mean phonons as in the quantum mechnical realm or classical mechanical (sound waves/pressure zones etc.) realm?
Well, both should apply. But do not try to "inject" oscillations here. Acoustic DC component is not an oscillation, it is an instant formation, and because of its instant nature it produces length standard deviation. You won't read this in your normal physics book, because it is my hypothesis.
I've already provided some ways to produce acoustic DC component among which electric pulsing circuitry with square wave or saw-tooth wave is also a possibility to create DC acoustic formation by means of electron and atom collisions.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
@Jon,
yes, Tesla and his radiant energy. can't say i've seen anyone here achieve this RE effect, or at least be able to collect it in a real useable manner with a load. electrostatic coupling (i.e capacitive) can account for 99% of your output i would say.
Hail to fishermen!
sorry, i'm just a dumb little troll, what does your post mean?
He he, trolls are usually fishing for information.
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:27:23 PM
Little note about Radiant energy. The output of SM's device was conventional, no?
If RE is an important aspect, the the TPU is both generating AND converting, or is that
too much assumption. I did see the Bulbs in the video were "HOT". A pure RE output
of "Cold" electricty (Ref: Moray, etc.) would not be so, I would think.
Just a thought......
i agree with you, which is why electrostatic coupling between coils accounts for most of what you see, but this is not what was producing the output in the tpu, not RE and not ES coupling
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:27:23 PM
Little note about Radiant energy. The output of SM's device was conventional, no?
If RE is an important aspect, the the TPU is both generating AND converting, or is that
too much assumption. I did see the Bulbs in the video were "HOT". A pure RE output
of "Cold" electricty (Ref: Moray, etc.) would not be so, I would think.
Just a thought......
Bulb will also turn hot be it cold or hot electricity. It's a BULB! I think RE can't be used as electricity, but it creates a POTENTIAL which runs electricity.
All those contributing to the TPU in a positive manner and you believe please visit my thread!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4452.new.html#new
Please follow the rules of the thread. If you think its a hoax or a fake or you plain want to be a polotician start your own thread!
I gathered this info from the video and urge you all to contribute what you see in the video as long as you follow the rules of the thread!
Thanks
-infringer-
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
@Jon,
yes, Tesla and his radiant energy. can't say i've seen anyone here achieve this RE effect, or at least be able to collect it in a real useable manner with a load. electrostatic coupling (i.e capacitive) can account for 99% of your output i would say.
Hail to fishermen!
sorry, i'm just a dumb little troll, what does your post mean?
He he, trolls are usually fishing for information.
that's funny, pretty sure i
offered two bits of information there. but clearly you'll only see what you want to
@Loner
I agree, The frequencies are higher than the ones referenced from SM. That has been bothering me for a while now. The high frequencies do produce and output with my current TPU setup so i am plotting data anyway. I think there is some hope for high frequencies because I see some similarities between the TPU design and effects compared with John Hutchisons effect.
Also when you go down to the lower frequencies you should get better results with a rotating magetic field that was observable with the compas in his videos. I suspect that the purpose of the TPU design is to facilitate the transfer of energy from one location to another while an amplification or FE effect increases the power output. With high frequency there is no EM field to rotate.
I also think the rotation is tied to torsion fields in that they are the basis of most(all?) physical things. David Wilcock references experiments (Bruce Depalma?) where thrown rotating objects go higher and farther than non rotating ones. Also rotating a flywheel to a specific RPM stopping it then starting it again requires less energy to reash the same RPM within a certain abount of time.
Jon
http://freeenergygroup.com/
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
Aleks, I hate to "disagree" (I hate being disagreeable) but the bulbs in Moray's demos could
be placed underwater and ran cold.
Underwater without short-circuiting? With good insulation you can place a bulb underwater even with normal electricity (100W won't boil water too fast). Well, I may agree that it could be "colder" than bulbs under normal voltage, but I do not think it was too cold or bulb would simply break not designed to operate in deep "minus" regions (glass breakdown). Anyway, spectra a normal bulb gives off is pretty hot by itself. If it shines, it should produce heat. It's not a LED.
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:37:50 PM
You feel that "Electrostatic" coupling is the main "source" or the "Conduit" that
the energy flows through? I am just looking for a little clarification?
no, i'm just saying that the output (if any) most people are seeing with their setups (and mine) is a result of ES from control coils to collector coils. i'm also saying that no one has a working tpu, so no one knows what the source is yet.
most are using pulsing in a particular setup, so it is very easy to couple energy from one coil to the other, either via TX/RX antenna coupling, or by ES. no particular orientation is needed for this coupling, although it will work better some ways better than others. it looks like this ground was covered a long time ago and it's a wonder some here are still trying this approach instead of looking at what spherics had to offer
Quote from: aleks on April 09, 2008, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
Aleks, I hate to "disagree" (I hate being disagreeable) but the bulbs in Moray's demos could
be placed underwater and ran cold.
Underwater without short-circuiting? With good insulation you can place a bulb underwater even with normal electricity (100W won't boil water too fast). Well, I may agree that it could be "colder" than bulbs under normal voltage, but I do not think it was too cold or bulb would simply break not designed to operate in deep "minus" regions (glass breakdown). Anyway, spectra a normal bulb gives off is pretty hot by itself. It it shines, it should produce heat. It's not a LED.
bulbs running off cold electricity have always been noted as giving off quite a different and distinctive glow compared to normal electricity
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:59:03 PMbulbs running off cold electricity have always been noted as giving off quite a different and distinctive glow compared to normal electricity
OK, do you have a link to video or something?
Regarding cold electricity, I had an idea that if you change the diodes on collector coil this way: -->|-- coil --|<--
It will produce "cold electricity" by taking more of external energy than giving off. Everything else in the circuit should stay the same. The reason for this is that we are hunting for "unspoken" potential field when running pulsing. This field can be both positive and negative with electrons running outward or inward, respectively.
Loner,
no editing there. the ES coupling serves no purpose at all. it's an artifact, and probably a nuisance that caused SM's circuits to malfunction until he sorted out a solution.
don't leave pls :) I'm no quantum physicist either, just trying to learn a few things and contribute a few bits.
the phenomenon you and Jon are talking about is the Aspden effect, and spherics mentioned this as well.
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 04:05:47 PM
Thinking about all that was just typed buy you and aleks, it seems to me that I am not going
to keep up right now. (Quantum theory has always given me a headache, ever 2+2=1.)
My posts are not related to quantum theory at all. It is basically: clap your hands. This is what happens when you are sending off sharp impulse along wires. In case of hands a heated air goes from under your hands. In case of wires, heat energy goes from under colliding electrons and atoms. BUT there is a little more than that happens. During this clap a "gravity-like" potential field appears. So, not only low and high frequency kinetic impact waves appear, but also this instant DC field appears (which is an attracting or repelling potential field for any particle or wave). I strongly believe this field is what made nuclear chain reaction possible for which to run efficiently an initial large-scale implosion is a necessity.
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 04:05:47 PM
Poynt, Thanks for the clarification, but I guess I misread you post the first time.
(Maybe you edited it?) EIther way, I am now a little lost as to what function that coupling
has and how it applies.
Unless, I am so far over my head that I lost the jist of what you guys were talking about....
Thinking about all that was just typed buy you and aleks, it seems to me that I am not going
to keep up right now. (Quantum theory has always given me a headache, ever 2+2=1.)
I'll take my pi-mesons and bosons and pack it up. You guys are beyond what I can put
into practice with my existing equipment in my personal lab, and access to the big lab
isn't on the schedule for few days. I'll leave you to it till then.
Little note to GK:
While at IBM in the late 70's it was common knowledge internally that the channel cables
would have 6 to 8 signals on them when sending data at full speed. I mean that the pulses
traveling down the cable hadn't reached the end before the next 5 to 7 were sent. (The handshake
methods are probably still proprietary, so I won't mention their setup.) In sending around
a circle (Coil, TPU, etc.) these pulses will meet! Is this the effect you are attempting to
obtain with "Heterodyning". (I hope so because that agrees with what little hard data I have.)
Could this be the "Source" of the "Kicks" and therefore the energy of the device?
Any comment you could make would be appreciated.
Art
The noisiest and most dangerous of my tests were the GK4. I pulsed 3 layers of 3 coils = 9 in a CCW of 12v @ 2.5 amps. Between the layers is where the magnetic fields ran into each other head on. High speed ejections occured. So I then pulsed with a stun gun = Bluish sparks. That is what sguns put out. But this occured from between the layers. Again all coils pulsed same way. I will set up the 3 freq panel I built and fet the GK4 again. This time the middle layer will be reverse pulsed. The panel is 1mhz max and does sine, triangle, square with dc offset and amplitude control.
We have seen bluish sparks from the shorting test by SM on the SM17. Stun gun sparks are not hot either. Purplish dartlets feel lightly fuzzy. :D
Ok, how about this. I will attach a filament bulb and attach it to a stun gun. Will it light? Then I will make a bigger step stage and see if that drives a load. I keep seeing the SM17 just like this. What if the energy is not allowed to spark but get dioded into another coil to a load? Use the last coil and caps to downgrade the energy level into a slower more usable form.
The sm4 and sm6 drive 1 lightbulb to produce heat to light. The SM17 10 lightbulb test is this also. Not that it can drive 10 bulbs. Ooooh. But to divide the power down. In another test to drive standard voltage devices, the SM17 is hooked to an invertor. SM states it is modified. What if the statement just means that the convertor is doing something special? The caps in the invertor are actually functioning normal but will a special incoming parameter. Faster energy. The caps love it! Who would know?
--giantkiller. Well this was a well needed read.
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: Loner on April 09, 2008, 03:37:50 PM
You feel that "Electrostatic" coupling is the main "source" or the "Conduit" that
the energy flows through? I am just looking for a little clarification?
no, i'm just saying that the output (if any) most people are seeing with their setups (and mine) is a result of ES from control coils to collector coils. i'm also saying that no one has a working tpu, so no one knows what the source is yet.
most are using pulsing in a particular setup, so it is very easy to couple energy from one coil to the other, either via TX/RX antenna coupling, or by ES. no particular orientation is needed for this coupling, although it will work better some ways better than others. it looks like this ground was covered a long time ago and it's a wonder some here are still trying this approach instead of looking at what spherics had to offer
Not that you care what I think and as much as I think you're an antogonistic prick...I agree with you completely regarding spherics information. I also have a modified frequency chart based on music and Marko Rodin's math if anyone is interested in pursuing spherics design. I need to spend another $150 on my setup before I can do any real testing. And also to all you circuit builders...remember the quote about winning races...you don't have to build the car to drive the car...I understand the components may be cheaper to purchase, but it's stopping you guys from getting to play with things properly. My cheap "music" setup should prove to be far superior to having to build a new circuit every time you make a change. That just seems retarded to me for some reason. No offense of course...just an outside observation. Another 150 bucks will tell.
heheh glad to see some great discussion going on
OPA633s buffers are in the mail. ;)
QuoteNot that you care what I think and as much as I think you're an antogonistic prick
@Konduct,
you're absolutley correct, I don't.
...it is laughable however, coming from you
chau
Quote from: poynt99 on April 09, 2008, 09:38:58 PM
QuoteNot that you care what I think and as much as I think you're an antogonistic prick
@Konduct,
you're absolutley correct, I don't.
...it is laughable however, coming from you
chau
Takes one to know one doesn't it?
Poyngt mentioned in this thread about the electrostatic coupling of the control windings with the collector windings. Isn't this how a transmitter and receiver couple? They definitely don't couple with any kind of magnetic field.
The major magnetic field in play here is the ambient magnetic field permeating the collector coil. The rf energy from the kick coils excites electrons in the collector winding. The weak magnetic field of the Earth then gives them a ride.
Ah, forgot to note.. In the experiments with open collector coil the load circuitry (or better say, line) should be zeroed or grounded to have opposing potential. A totally open coil won't work of course, energy have to go somewhere. You obviously do not like the idea of being grounded, but it's only and idea to check. It may - if works - at least support theoretical base.
Quote from: sparks on April 09, 2008, 10:57:56 PM
The major magnetic field in play here is the ambient magnetic field permeating the collector coil. The rf energy from the kick coils excites electrons in the collector winding. The weak magnetic field of the Earth then gives them a ride.
You may also put a Dirac delta spike on the point of collision of two emerging magnetic fields to model non-equilibrium conditions (the same applies to one static magnetic field and one emerging one). Anything in this physical world that abruptly "appears" causes DC component to emerge as seen from Dirac delta spike perspective. What is more important is how you "tie" to these conditions and how you redirect energy to or from that "mighty" DC potential field. Not to forget about residual oscillations which may totally hide the expected effect.
This DC component can be actually a thing what causes inertia (velocity) of physical bodies in this world to conserve. If you consider that a moving object "steps" into the next position within empty space, this changes conditions in that area of space abruptly. This - in turn - creates DC component which attracts (or repels - depending on where you look - beneath or behind) the body further in space. And the process goes on. Of course, as a continous function this creates a DC component "trace". I like this concept of inertia because it describes a lot to me, especially spinning and translational movement when they are combined in a single body.
Well, I'm sorry for so much hypothesizing and so frivolous theoretisizing. But I can't do anything with it because I hate existing physics dogmas. I want freedom in my world. ;)
Here is another one:
A stun gun will not light a lightbulb directly. A space charge has to build up for the energy to jump across the gap. Putting a load on the gap only presents a short. No blue sparks.
The SM17 puts out huge blue sparks and lights lightbulbs but does not drive other loads directly. What's the difference besides lightbulbs being a short?
So I put a diode in the gap and maintain the gap. The gun produces blue sparks.
I reverse the diode and the gun still produces blue sparks.
I replace the diode with an LED and reproduce the diode tests. Additionally the led lights. Both ways.
Obviously AC. If you ever widen the gap, the potential will travel through the next shortest path. Did you ever feel that? LOL.
I don't put any of my scopes on the stun gun. Holy Shot was that a revelation. SM didn't either!
So put a primary in line with the diode. Turn the secondary into a LCR path. Potential can now be extracted. The stun gun can be limited in spark output. The little dartlets are not heard like the big one is. Many paths from one path. The SM17 was covered in plastic. That creates a shield and and internal surface conductor. The main path of conduction is kept inside. In fact all the units are wrapped except the open one which is handled very specifically. How many people hold all the TPUs except the open one. Who many people hold the open one?
Pass a stun gun amongst friends. They take hold and pull the trigger pointing the terminals away from them. It is designed this way. Now take the black plastic covers off and hold the circuit up then pull trigger. If you did not grab it in a certain way, what happens? The potential will travel through the next shortest path Did you ever feel that? LOL.
Tesla handheld technology in appliance form. The next shot heard around the world.
--giantkiller. Just thought I would point out the obvious again. From the stun gun student.
just another "spike" idea
quote from wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_noise
Burst noise is a type of electronic noise that occurs in semiconductors. It is also called impulse noise, bi-stable noise, or random telegraph signals (RTS noise).
It consists of sudden step-like transitions between two or more levels (non-Gaussian), as high as several hundred microvolts, at random and unpredictable times. Each shift in offset voltage or current lasts for several milliseconds, and the intervals between pulses tend to be in the audio range (less than 100 Hz), leading to the term popcorn noise for the popping or crackling sounds it produces in audio circuits.[1]
It was discovered during the development of one of the first semiconductor op-amps; the 709.[2] Its sources are not currently known, but appear to be related to trapping of charge carriers, imperfections in semiconductor devices (such as surface contamination) and heavy ion implants.[3][4] The worst case noise seems to be at low temperatures and with high thermal noise from external resistors.[2]
Individual op-amps can be screened for popcorn noise with peak detector circuits, to minimize the amount of noise in a specific application.
So I put a 60watt 120v bulb in the stun gun gap while maintaining a 1/2" gap. It produces blue sparks and does not, does not light the bulb.
--giantkiller. Curiouser and curiouser I get....
Why doesn't the bulb light up?
All voltage and no current...
A cap can be put in series with the gap. The gap output is not affected. Put a high inductive primary across then cap. The fast charging potential does not pass thru the L but charges up the cap extremely fast. The new energy can be pulled from the low inductive secondary before the next charge up cycle of the stun gun. The spark gap will see no degradation.
The fast collapsing field can be seen by the top and bottom rings/antennas/inductors.
-giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 10, 2008, 01:07:50 PM
A cap can be put in series with the gap. The fast charging potential does not pass thru the L but charges up the cap extremely fast.
Correct.
EDIT:
LF is strong today.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 10, 2008, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 10, 2008, 01:07:50 PM
A cap can be put in series with the gap. The fast charging potential does not pass thru the L but charges up the cap extremely fast.
Correct.
EDIT:
LF is strong today.
5khz - 6khz stated by SM, measured by me in the stun gun circuit last year, posted by stun gun innards pages. Couldn't be any closer. What is hiigh speed? The rise and fall times.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 10, 2008, 03:59:38 PM
What is hiigh speed? The rise and fall times.
--giantkiller.
Not the rise and fall time. In-depth review of spark gaps of the day will reveal that their ionization and dionization times were rather slow as was their rate of repetition. A circuit of the day transmitting at 1 MHz does not mean that the spark gap was operating at this freq. This is the freq of the excited circuit that was smacked (impulse excitation) by the much lower freq disruptive discharge. This was the means of the day as no one could create continuous oscillations until a later date. it's like when you ring a bell over and over - the ringer is at a low freq and the bell is a much higher freq - no, they are not harmonically related at all, don't even go there. Just as the disruptor circuit is coupled but indepenedent from the generator circuit, the working circuit is coupled but independent. Like being on different springs but connected by a rope. Hmm - there are three freqs there too - how quaint.
"Highspeed" is the velocity of the "whatever you call it" that Tesla clocked at something like Pi/2 x C (291,375 km/s) - smokin'! Wheatstone also clocked a similar velocity of 430,000 km/s (the difference is probably due to the resistances he used) - it is worth look at what he was doing when he did this.
Quote from: Loner on April 10, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
That is an interesting experiment. If you can put a primary in parallel with the cap, and
then still charge the cap, what do you get on the secondary when the cap discharges through
the primary? Is there an "Amplification" here? I would be very interested on what the
output would be.
Until you get a primary that is doing something, you don't need to worry about a secondary.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 10, 2008, 04:39:05 PM
"Highspeed" is the velocity of the "whatever you call it" that Tesla clocked at something like Pi/2 x C (291,375 km/s) - smokin'! Wheatstone also clocked a similar velocity of 430,000 km/s (the difference is probably due to the resistances he used) - it is worth look at what he was doing when he did this.
Grumpy, judging from your avatar, I think you'll like this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNt0hEfwMVM :)
So I put a tank circuit in series or inline with the spark gap of the stun gun. I measure 820vac @ 1.4mghz on the secondary of the tank coil. The stun gun has no degradation in operation. I still see blue sparks and I ain't touchin' it.
The cap does and should charge up but faster than we can take note of to produce a usable voltage. But I will now install a rectifier bridge on the secondary for dc.
OBTW... my scope is still alive.
After the bridge I get 6vdc with hash @ 2-6mghz.
Next I will put a fat cap after the bridge.
186vac @14mghz. 51vdc short lived because of the speed of the spikes. won't drive anything yet.
I could make another setup like this on the other side of the gap. There seems to be no degradation to the stun gun output.
--giantkiller.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpovwbPGEoo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cootexkMmrY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEiEBEadZFI&feature=related
I like you GK. You are a hard-headed searcher.
All the energy in the universe is right in front of you. You just need a decent gap.
Not a tank really - that is an EM point of view. More like an impedence and alternate path that is a trap.
Below I have posted a diagram of a gravity vs. inertia pump. And yes it uses a GAP. This is the little waterfall on the front of the train ramp. Voltage changing to current at this point.
Quote from: sparks on April 11, 2008, 11:02:05 AMBelow I have posted a diagram of a gravity vs. inertia pump.
Why do you think it will work? If the train isn't accelerating, the water won't go to the high position. If you disagree, please prove that a underwater buoy in a moving reservoir will be moving in an opposite direction to the movement of reservoir. The reality is that buoy won't move relative to the reservoir's water.
Look deeper past the mechanical examples to see the analogies that are so apparent through these threads and you will see the hidden intensities insideTesla's patents.
Voltage changing to current at this point.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 11, 2008, 11:54:08 AMVoltage changing to current at this point.
So, what? Voltage changing to current is the same as one fast ball striking a stack of balls resulting in many slow balls. Well, I was incorrect in some previous post that voltage and current are the same thing. This is incorrect if you can fire off single electrons only. But here is the problem: how you can fire off a single electron only?
Anyway, I think this whole TPU thing is about creating a potential field. It is the only magical thing. However, it contradicts the normal physics in that you cannot create potential without investing kinetic energy. But when you use this potential, it fades away as soon as potential is used to create kinetic energy. It's a conservation of energy. So, the only possible answer is that TPU somehow manages to support potential field that DOES NOT fade away with kinetic energy it supplies to surrounding matter and particles. The only potential field I know that does the same is a gravity field or permanent magnet's magnetic field. Since it wasn't proved or disproved that electrons are affected by gravity, we are safe to assume that TPU creates gravity-related potential field (photons are also affected by gravity considering existing physics dogmas). Of course, TPU may create a permanent-magnet like field as well. But sharp gradients of square-waves or MOSFET avalanche discharge makes me think it is more about gravity and phonon interaction. Note that phonon interaction is much closer to inertia phenomenon and possible ether vortices than magnetic fields are. Magnetic field won't be created if you will be rotating a piece of wood, but ether vortex will be created. Another problem magnetic field possesses is that it is always a dipole and so basically it is transparent to electricity if magnetic field is not changing relative to electrical particles: it is as much attracts as repels. No to mention that magnetism can be exchanged with electricity in different relative inertial systems. So, gravity (ether potential) should be the effect that creates overunity.
It's a violation of conservation, but let's not be stopped by human deductions. Nature may have had a different idea about physics.
@alecks
The water falling between the troughs isn't on the train anymore. It is in the inertial frame of the air or slowing down relative to the train travel. When the water contacts the lower trough it's inertia is relative to the trains inertia and travels up the sluiceway. The flow needs to be pulsed though or the viscosity of the water will not allow seperation of the waterfall from the inertia of the train.
Quote from: sparks on April 11, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
The water falling between the troughs isn't on the train anymore. It is in the inertial frame of the air or slowing down relative to the train travel. When the water contacts the lower trough it's inertia is relative to the trains inertia and travels up the sluiceway. The flow needs to be pulsed though or the viscosity of the water will not allow seperation of the waterfall from the inertia of the train.
Well, you've corrected yourself (with pulsing which is additional energy input). When water is falling, it is still on the train - due to air being non-dense the change of train speed won't reach the water, of course, but the water has the same inertia vector as train when it falls down. It's a principle of relativity which holds even if we use term 'ether potential' instead of 'inertia'. Perpetual motion and inertia-less motion lies in the field of creating ether potentials at will. Nature does not show any examples of such free ether potential changes, unfortunately. Only saints levitated. (ether potential is gravity or DC acoustic wave in my book, but as I've described, existence of physical ether is not required to create DC acoustic waves - it sounds fantastic, but I can't do anything about it, DC acoustic waves are virtual; well, they are physical - but not in the sense you would expect - there is no physical counter-action on DC frequency - unless the body which was attracted by DC acoustic gradient strikes the source of gradient after gaining velocity)
Quote from: giantkiller on April 11, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
Look deeper past the mechanical examples to see the analogies that are so apparent through these threads and you will see the hidden intensities insideTesla's patents.
Voltage changing to current at this point.
--giantkiller.
The opposite of a stun gun...
High voltage / low current to Low voltage / high current. That is the GK4 or Tesla's ionizer coil.
A simple change...
--giantkiller.
Its like the mythbusters episode when they study the myth pissing on a train track...
They study the myth they put tons of force making the piss come out stronger still no shocking expierence...
The only thing they do not take into consideration is the distance between the train track and the guys member it seems ....
He coulda've been a midget with a long one or he could've been standing on an incline of a hill realatively closer to the track...
Thus the gapp is smaller...
Maybe the smaller the gap the better?
if it uses a spark gap cause there is more potintial for energy...
@GK
I didnt know where to post this and i figure folks read this thread enough so heres a thought of mine.. An unlikely device has helped me in my travels and i figured id share..
I mod xbox's at a software level its a buffer overflow error anyways i put a small linux os on them and then there great little machines. It comes Its called xbmc anyways the categories are real easy to understand my videos my pics my games ect. But the cool part is as long as you have a network cable in it hooked to your home lan it will stream videos pics anything off of any windows share.
Ok so heres the real cool part, ever downloaded a movie that looked like crap???? It's because the pc monitor's resolution is too high and it gets pix elated. When viewing movies or pics through the xbox on a tv you can see small pics and vids at the 320 x 240 resolutions very very clearly !!!!! Plus it fills the whole screen
Just a little trick ive learned for viewing poor quality shite. Now this is nothing like running a second display on your pc this is 9 million times clearer on the tv . If anyone has an old xbox and half a brain i can walk them through how to do this mod without opening the xbox .. All in all its the most useful streaming box ive ever used plus if you like opening things you can put a hd in it as i have up to 300 gb to save anthing you want on it. Anyone having trouble viewing lo res pics or vids should really try this .
Joe
A simple one wire design that has been around for decades. AM / FM radio.
--giantkiller.
I've got one of those my son brougth home last week from a radio shack kit back in the 60's. or 70's called science fair. 8) Little speaker has been buzzing away for a week. No batteries.
So then, that's the answer to the TPU energy generation, isn't it?
In principle, a single pulse on the coil will produce a voltage on the antenna wire , and if you place a load on the ends of the wire then a current will flow, but due to the direction of the current flow there can be no BEMF opposing the current flow in the coil. (the induced fields are perpendicular to each other, right? Excluding ohmic resistance for a moment, What goes into the coil, comes out, but now there is the "extra" current and voltage on the "antenna" wire.
So next if the antenna wire is fairly long and the coil is wrapped around it for most of the "antenna wire" length, is the antenna wire expected to collect higher voltage and allow more current to flow through it when there is a load placed at its ends?
If yes then that's the answer to " free energy" generation, right?
Next step would be to loop that wire (antenna, or collector if you will) inside a toroid and pulse the toroid, using some of the wire's out put fed back to the toroid to cover ohmic losses etc.
By looping it, there is a great more length of collector wire inside the coil, in a more compact space. Fieldd strength inside the coil would be based on number of toroid turns and pulse type, and total voltage/current output of the wire collector would be based on length(loops) etc
So once the basic ohmic losses are covered by a portion of the output the rest is OU right?
Is this the basic principle of operation?
so gk has illustrated the simple Tx/Rx thing I mentioned earlier in this thread.
is it the answer? no, not as it stands.
is the antenna tuned to the 1/4 wavelength of the coil's resonant frequency, and if so, is this the answer?
maybe gk can answer this
Scalar wave produced by antennae meets surrounding coil. ;)
Below is scalar wave in coil meets antennae
after reading and going over some old patents from Stubblefield. In looking at his earth battery and transmission machine, I have come to a conclusion about the antenna system. one thing I believe he left out of the patent is the carbon block set up inside the coil the antenna is connected to or should I say the antenna wire runs down through. the carbon block is set at a distance to an iron block , this could be slightly magnetic. the freq's could be modulated at this point and gain in power would be present. transmision over long distances in a single wire would be the same as a small coil the energy is just confined. so now the capisitor 2,2 uf @350wv would be wound inside of the primary coil(around the cap) and the carbon resistor conected to this would have the slightly magnetic -magnet close to the resistor 1 or 2 ohm. The secondaries would be as stubblfied had them coiled flat and in sequence of the plates , were not useing plates due to the fact that we are not useing an iron core, so the secondaries may be connected to each quardrent of the primary. A 555 chip may work as the timeing device only.Ã, when we look at SM's first small open coil we see him put a magnet on the unit , This may be that he is setting it close to a carbon wound coil or ferrit this sets up a modulation to the primary coil. This would be close to Stubblefeilds iron and copper found feild coil , wraped parralel on the bobbin. @ GK I'm fimilir with the AM reciver and crystal radio set ups, but i feel there is no ether to get the current up. the interesting thing is when i am working on the testanika machine and useing quartz cyristals and swapping them out with a uranium base rock. Stefen told me about them as i had already know but I was not at the point of testing them. I'm dealing with a resonate mag feild rather that a direct current feild and converting the eather to useable function. So now how do I amplify the power that I'm getting is the question. This is where I'm useing the capisitors in the coil as switches rather that caps as a rule.
These are a set parameters:
It is also not the frequency but just pulsing and on a dc bias if you want. The idea of having coil configurations like the ionizer patent 568177 is play time is very productive. I have 5 like this, ECD, GK3, GK4, notched pvc, & BFG(the largest number of ionizers equalling 18 in one unit). The spark gap shows the usable potential in a small platform. It has to be converted from high v / low c to low v / high c. The ionizer coil does this. Like an inverter.
Not more than we put in? The BEMF is quite high in voltage.
How does the quarter wave of the SM17, SM6, SM4 diameter match up with 5khz?
And this little beauty puts out 30kv @ 8A from a 9v battery with no internal spark gap.
--giantkiller.
@ GK - I ran across this circut in a kit and bought one a while back, what i did was wrap the diodes like an LMD set up from Borderland and JNL labs. the dipole was so great it blew up on me. after i went past 11kv. This can be lowered by removeing some of the caps and diodes in the ladder.Ã, with the caps wraped inside the P coil that feeds the secondarie I feel will smooth out the chopper effect.
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 13, 2008, 07:37:39 PM
@ GK - I ran across this circut in a kit and bought one a while back, what i did was wrap the diodes like an LMD set up from Borderland and JNL labs. the dipole was so great it blew up on me. after i went past 11kv. This can be lowered by removeing some of the caps and diodes in the ladder. with the caps wraped inside the P coil that feeds the secondarie I feel will smooth out the chopper effect.
I put a neon on the stun gun to squelch, then I am putting the diodes on next, then the caps.
Good to hear from ya. Its been a while. :)
-giantkiller.
ok try this so the resonate mag field doesn't overlap and the DC converts to some Ac to help keep the circut running. instaed of the diodes put in chokes (verable) use a reeed switch to dump the diodes as soon as it gets a kick, the caps will act like switches instead of caps. on the scope you'll see a large smooth spike run across the top and another one forming as it crosses the centerline in the down side of the curve. also a jag that i'm not sure what it is but may be the resonate field reforming. (static eletrical field) just a thought.Ã, EDit another thought is any resistors need to be metalwind carbon old style. the chokes don't have to be big ones 26 winds fine wire with steel incerts , and small diodes just to get it started and drop them out of the circut.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 13, 2008, 06:59:13 PM
And this little beauty puts out 30kv @ 8A from a 9v battery with no internal spark gap.
Cool. Do you have a voltage/current dynamics plot for discharge?
@Aleks,
I have no readings. That is just a schematic from the web. What interested me was the lack of internal spark gap. The guns I have do have an internal gap.
I know that the 555 puts out square waves and maybe that is the reason to exclude the internal. The tip31 would shut off abruptly but not as fast as a gap. So now I want to see the coupling in my guns. The schematic shows no steel on the output stage. My guns have the steel core on the output stage. Steel, just like motorcoach mentions in the latest suggestion.
Now this is getting very interesting. With out the steel we have a long component ladder. With the steel we are coupling very short.
I will dig up the specs of what my Silicon switches that are in my guns. I blew the first one connecting the output of one gun to the trigger of another one. That is ok tho. I could use a coupling stage to avoid that. This shows that there is potential that is usable
You all have seen SM hold the 2 leads apart to get the blue sparks. If that gap is too wide then Steven becomes the gap. or someother place that is shorter:D
I have placed the gap of 2 wires across the body of a plastic covered electrolitic cap. I am nowhere near the terminals and the wires do not touch the cap. The sparks jump to the covering traveling around the outside in a curve! not an arc but actually across the surface circumference and jump to the other wire on the other side, 180 degrees out.
@motorcoach,
I will make the steel chokes. 1 set on steel washers and other set using nails.
--giantkiller.
Hey guys,
I got back from my trip early AM, and I noticed today Jon has started his 3D heterodyning graph (two frequencies).
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreeenergygroup.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F04%2F3d_graph_apr13_08.png&hash=313c9addea2ad584e234ea9f8b887409d794c264)
Quote from: giantkiller on April 14, 2008, 12:45:21 PMI have no readings. That is just a schematic from the web. What interested me was the lack of internal spark gap.
I understand your excitement! If you can get three of such stun guns running in cycling manner, driven by a single 555 as Spherics suggested, you'll be a winner! :) Just don't vaporize your lab - 30kV at 8 amp is too much in my opinion. You'll need to lower pulsing frequency drastically. Probably you'll also get objects flying around. If you ever get the response drawing of this stun gun discharge - in air or in coils please post it here.
If I put a reed switch across the terminals of 1 switch I could trigger the cycle with a magnet swipe!
I also am going to hook all 3 to 1 - 9v battery.
My dogs are scared to death. I got to put them somewhere else while testing. :D
--giantkiller. Living large in the playground of reality.
@GK - the choke i made was .33 mig welding wire inside a cocktail straw with wax ,to adjust it. wraped 3/4 inch 3 or 4 layers radio shak 33Ã, wire (red stuff). then the straw was cut off with a little to mount it with. the one that was real bad was the bifiller so the ends went fron top to bottom and the second one the same way to connect to the caps. when I look back I wished I'd isolated the bifillers (paralle ) in the same coil , this would let the flow go both ways and cancel the mag fields( not twisted , just warped oppisit directions real tight. this is the idea that SM seem to relate to but in the way I interped it he may have had one balling wire and the wire warped the same way with a gap at the ends of the bail wire
Thought I'd go back in time and resurrect an old test:
I have a stun gun feeding a diode 1, cap 1, inductor primary loop to cap 2, diode 2, sparkgap, back to gun. The catch is one side is open, the extended spark gap. The current trap is set. I pull the trigger and fill up the caps. I released the trigger and waited 1 minute. The scope shot shows the spikes that appeared to show the ringing. The ringing lasted 3 minutes at an average of 49v pk-pk and a frequency of 2hz. Thats right 2 per second. The stun gun has 2 nine volts in parallel.
I couldn't pull the trigger anymore. It took down the router, froze the pc-s, scared the dogs(they'll probably break bond with me), and upset my wife's dog, who jumped in the shower with her. :o
You too can enjoy youself with miniture weapons of mass destruction. Maybe I should switch to FETs, eh? I could control the frequency better.
Forget the pix. this site is screwed.
--giantkiller. 'I just want to ring the bell' quote Quasimoto.
@GK know wonder you hurt the dogs ears LOL at 2 hz at 3db you probabily went 90 degree phase shift it's a wonder you didn't blow your ear drum bone. Did your ever read about Estine almost killing his assistant doing basicly the same expriment ? mine was at 5hz and going up and blew at about 7.8hz and the controls were 2 feet under the coils so the dipole wouldn't be effected but I was wrong LOL. I need to get back out in the country where the power grid is smaller , right now i'm sitting under a 25th volt powerline 3 phase that gos in the plant and drives me nuts. the fuse blew twice so I had to stop testing the wieard stuff.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 14, 2008, 11:28:50 PM
Thought I'd go back in time and resurrect an old test:
I have a stun gun feeding a diode 1, cap 1, inductor primary loop to cap 2, diode 2, sparkgap, back to gun. The catch is one side is open, the extended spark gap. The current trap is set. I pull the trigger and fill up the caps. I released the trigger and waited 1 minute. The scope shot shows the spikes that appeared to show the ringing. The ringing lasted 3 minutes at an average of 49v pk-pk and a frequency of 2hz. Thats right 2 per second. The stun gun has 2 nine volts in parallel.
I couldn't pull the trigger anymore. It took down the router, froze the pc-s, scared the dogs(they'll probably break bond with me), and upset my wife's dog, who jumped in the shower with her. :o
You too can enjoy youself with miniture weapons of mass destruction. Maybe I should switch to FETs, eh? I could control the frequency better.
Forget the pix. this site is screwed.
--giantkiller. 'I just want to ring the bell' quote Quasimoto.
Switch to a Tesla Magnifier - desktop version.
@GK
Keep screwin around with them scalar long waves and they are sure to get over to the neighbors house. I don't think the building codes include scalar wave insulation values as a prerequisite for an occupancy permit.
@ motorcoach
Don't get any em vortexing going around them high tension lines. Hate to see 80' leaders coming in your front door. ;D
Quote from: Loner on April 15, 2008, 01:46:52 AM
GK
I don't want to sound as a naysayer, but..... 30KV at 8A!
That would be 240000 Watts for the time that it flowed. How did you even test that?
Or are we talking I misread the info, or maybe that is calculated.
The only experience I have up in that energy area is a plasma welder (Can't say where or what.)
that the power supply is 50KV at 50mA. The cable that this goes through is 20' long from the
power supply that is about 8' by 5' by 3' and cost over 50000$.
If this ckt could produce anywhere near an mA for fore than, say, 50nS, then This is POWER!
Please let me know, and also, if you could, tell me what the "LT44" transformer is.
PLEASE. This looks VERY interesting. (By the way, the diode/cap arrangement that
you show is the standard voltage multiplier used in TV's for many years. How it gets
to 30Kv is where I'm curious.)
Art.
The 8A could have been 8ma typo. That was just a schem I got ahold of. What I focusing on was the fact that there was no internal sparkgap. That then explains the long ladder.
I did screw up channel 1 on my scope. Gotta send it in for fixin's. Oh Well. I did get the test results I wanted.
--giantkiller.
http://www.keelynet.com/
04/13/08 - Mysterious Sound Waves Can Destroy Rockets
"Scientists believe that powerful and unstable sound waves, created by energy supplied by the combustion process, were the cause of rocket failures in several US and Russian rockets. They have also observed these mysterious oscillations in other propulsion and power-generating systems such as missiles and gas turbines. Now, researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology have developed a liquid rocket engine simulator and imaging techniques to help demystify the cause of these explosive sound waves and bring scientists a little closer to being able to understand and prevent them. The team was able to clearly demonstrate that the phenomenon manifests itself in the form of spinning acoustic waves that gain destructive power as they rotate around the rocket's combustion chamber at a rate of 5,000 revolutions per second. Researchers developed a low-pressure combustor to simulate larger rocket engines then used a very-high-speed camera with fiber optic probes to observe the formation and behavior of excited spinning sound waves within the engine. 'This is a very troublesome phenomenon in rockets,' said Professor Ben Zinn. 'These spinning acoustic oscillations destroy engines without anyone fully understanding how these waves are formed. Visualizing this phenomenon brings us a step closer to understanding it.'" - http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?id=1815&ga=1
5khz, spinning acoustic sound waves, destruction of matter. hmmm.
Attached is the circuit that took out my scope.
--giantkiller.
So, things start to materialize? :) I told you - these are DC acoustical waves. :) The thing is that scientists at the moment have no clue that spinning air at 5kHz is caused by DC acoustic wave formation (which moves air around like a cyclone does it with air masses). So, this spinning is a result, not a cause. Combustion is a good feeding ground for DC acoustical waves. I personally think that internal combustion engines should be eliminated on the planet once and for all. They are vampirising bio organisms.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 15, 2008, 10:38:26 AMAttached is the circuit that took out my scope.
This may not be of help, but one thing to consider... Charge will try to spread itself evenly, so even if you are having a single connection there will be some charge movement in the unclosed part of circuitry when spark gap fires. This is how Tesla's one wire power transmission worked - it used a spark gap as well. This may well be beyond normal engineering book knowledge as this allows to build sequential circuits - much like computer programs work (a=b+c,d=a*0.5, etc all in sequence).
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 08:19:02 AM
So, things start to materialize? :) I told you - these are DC acoustical waves. :) The thing is that scientists at the moment have no clue that spinning air at 5kHz is caused by DC acoustic wave formation (which moves air around like a cyclone does it with air masses). So, this spinning is a result, not a cause. Combustion is a good feeding ground for DC acoustical waves. I personally think that internal combustion engines should be eliminated on the planet once and for all. They are vampirising bio organisms.
So then, yes. Each of the 2 loops in the SM17 would be driven in opposing directions. 5khz on a DC bias. We are not exciting the coil but the magnetic field of the DC bias with the hash on top which appears on the outer most part of the mag field or in the center.
Of my 4 coils at this stage the RE output is available. But the next stage has to be done right. My dogs actually became a great indicator to the possibilty of group damage. I can't even go there. I could have attached numerious solutions to the end of what I have now but it is not safe to flick matches in the gasoline. I have spent a year now watching and researching for the safe connection. I can hook up any high inductor / low inductor / high voltage / low voltage / high current / low current coils with diodes and caps but that is haphazard. That is the answer right there. Just get the right combination. No long winded diatribe needed. No reverse engineering needed. I am in a live environment now and have to be very careful. I don't want the neighborhood pets dying off from stress due to any mysterious effects when it could be me just blasting away. Dehydration due to convulsive bodily output. I am at the epicenter of all this energy.
The Tesla patent 464,666 in the cutaway of the 'A' coil shows a very similar coils technique to the 2 winding Tesla coil. I am counting windings again. Nik showed this level of detail in the 390721 transformer that I counted and made the GK4 from. To the Tee. So I do it again.
--giantkiller. The book of matches holds 20 fires only the right intention is the light.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMEach of the 2 loops in the SM17 would be driven in opposing directions. 5khz on a DC bias.
Why 2 loops? Are you deducing that from the fact SM's TPU didn't work when turned upside down and running 2 loops was the only way to fix that? I believe there should be no difference unless your TPU is poorly crafted and some of its wires misplace when you turn it upside down. If I'm incorrect, can you answer will the TPU work if placed vertically?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMWe are not exciting the coil but the magnetic field of the DC bias
Yep, it seems the case. However, what we are really exciting is gravity force (or something like that) around the pulse coils. This force then amplifies the DC bias energy. Since this is done in a cyclic manner, an EM whirl is created with an ever increasing energy. I believe hash is simply a bit of induced energy from the control coils. It should be minor, nothing to worry about.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMOf my 4 coils at this stage the RE output is available. But the next stage has to be done right.
Yep, this may be dangerous. If DC acoustical wave nature of the amplification is valid, all you need is to start at low voltage pulsing and increase it until dogs start barking or geiger counter buzzes too much. Well, this may sound like a sci-fi, but DC acoustical wave should be used for telepathy especially considering dogs are so receptive to your experiments. This is also in my hypothesis - this is a reason combustion engines put a lot of stress to our humble bodies and brains.
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMEach of the 2 loops in the SM17 would be driven in opposing directions. 5khz on a DC bias.
Why 2 loops? Are you deducing that from the fact SM's TPU didn't work when turned upside down and running 2 loops was the only way to fix that? I believe there should be no difference unless your TPU is poorly crafted and some of its wires misplace when you turn it upside down. If I'm incorrect, can you answer will the TPU work if placed vertically?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMWe are not exciting the coil but the magnetic field of the DC bias
Yep, it seems the case. However, what we are really exciting is gravity force (or something like that) around the pulse coils. This force then amplifies the DC bias energy. Since this is done in a cyclic manner, an EM whirl is created with an ever increasing energy. I believe hash is simply a bit of induced energy from the control coils. It should be minor, nothing to worry about.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 11:21:46 AMOf my 4 coils at this stage the RE output is available. But the next stage has to be done right.
Yep, this may be dangerous. If DC acoustical wave nature of the amplification is valid, all you need is to start at low voltage pulsing and increase it until dogs start barking or geiger counter buzzes too much. Well, this may sound like a sci-fi, but DC acoustical wave should be used for telepathy especially considering dogs are so receptive to your experiments. This is also in my hypothesis - this is a reason combustion engines put a lot of stress to our humble bodies and brains.
Agreed to all,
The 2 opposing loops are really a spin accelerator with the magfields hitting each other between the loops. Mobuis action horizontal and vertical.
The SM6 worked as SM held it down in front of him with the light bulb attached.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 12:13:52 PMThe 2 opposing loops are really a spin accelerator with the magfields hitting each other between the loops.
What is more important is how you pulse the coils in both loops. If you are pulsing them in concord, this will work as accelerator. If pulsing them in opposite cycle directions I fail to see how they can accelerate. Spheric's variant looks working to me (with a top center coil pulsing every time a control coil is pulsed), but not an opposite cycle direction pulsing.
I imagine the rocket engines have a little bit of plasma formation which is quite capable of disrupting the aetheric resonance with magnetic response moving perpendicular to a plasmic electrical field. Most delaval nozzles used on rockets and turbines get their thrust from the expansion of the supersonic fluid flow through the throat of the nozzle into the exhaust chamber. Maybe it creates SM's secret frequency of conversion sound waves in the process.
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 12:13:52 PMThe 2 opposing loops are really a spin accelerator with the magfields hitting each other between the loops.
What is more important is how you pulse the coils in both loops. If you are pulsing them in concord, this will work as accelerator. If pulsing them in opposite cycle directions I fail to see how they can accelerate. Spheric's variant looks working to me (with a top center coil pulsing every time a control coil is pulsed), but not an opposite cycle direction pulsing.
The two opposing magnetic fields looks to me like they create energy milling fields.
Quote from: sparks on April 16, 2008, 12:54:58 PMThe two opposing magnetic fields looks to me like they create energy milling fields.
Yep, I agree. That's why they should actually slow-down charges inbetween them. But what do I know?
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: sparks on April 16, 2008, 12:54:58 PMThe two opposing magnetic fields looks to me like they create energy milling fields.
Yep, I agree. That's why they should actually slow-down charges inbetween them. But what do I know?
And the funny thing is of the 4 good coils I have anybody really only needs 2 rings of 17in diam of 4 loops.
So I have simple setups to do, new additions to on going setups.
I think I mentined this before but if you pulse a ring at 5khz since the pulse is longer than the wire distance you get a DC magnetic component. 8)
I attached the 17in diam spreadsheet pic to show the freqs. With multiple turns per loop the field expands each revolution. And when the pulse ends the field returns to the wire closer each revolution. Almost sounds like a sawtooth wave. Wouldn't the magnetic field have latency as the potential subsides?
-giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 02:26:46 PM
And the funny thing is of the 4 good coils I have anybody really only needs 2 rings of 17in diam of 4 loops.
Could you elaborate more on this? What is 'good coil'? What is 'ring' and what is 'loop'?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 02:26:46 PMWouldn't the magnetic field have latency as the potential subsides?
I think this depends on magnetic core. If you want the magnetic field to fade away slowly you'll need to use a "slow" ferromagnetic core that integrates magnetic field oscillations above 5kHz (or even lower) - frequency response of the core is a marketing parameter so you may see which core is usable for this and which is not. Otherwise you won't get DC (rotating) magnetic field as you are thinking you will. Pulse's frequency content may reach gigahertz, but when creating a magnetic field whirl we are obviously talking about sustaining magnetic field, and that implies a "slow" response of the magnetic core that "keeps" magnetic field. Turbine effect anyone? :)
It is pulse coils that should have a slow magnetic field response I think, there is no requirement for the collector wire to have any magnetic capacity.
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 02:26:46 PM
And the funny thing is of the 4 good coils I have anybody really only needs 2 rings of 17in diam of 4 loops.
Could you elaborate more on this? What is 'good coil'? What is 'ring' and what is 'loop'?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 16, 2008, 02:26:46 PMWouldn't the magnetic field have latency as the potential subsides?
I think this depends on magnetic core. If you want the magnetic field to fade away slowly you'll need to use a "slow" ferromagnetic core that integrates magnetic field oscillations above 5kHz (or even lower) - frequency response of the core is a marketing parameter so you may see which core is usable for this and which is not. Otherwise you won't get DC (rotating) magnetic field as you are thinking you will. Pulse's frequency content may reach gigahertz, but when creating a magnetic field whirl we are obviously talking about sustaining magnetic field, and that implies a "slow" response of the magnetic core that "keeps" magnetic field. Turbine effect anyone? :)
It is pulse coils that should have a slow magnetic field response I think, there is no requirement for the collector wire to have any magnetic capacity.
Patent 381,970 - 382,282 - 464,666 - 568,177 in regards to the winding configurations.
QuoteA winding of high impedance and a winding of low impedance with high tension electrical discharges
So I am going to hook my 3 frequency board to my coil combinations. I was using 10 ohm resistors in series with the coils and fets. But by dropping the resistors out after I find resonance I can get fairly high spikes. That should get me close to the speed and potential of the stungun oscillator stage.
--giantkiller.
well guys im just blowen away lol
i built some more stuff.... ;D
gk
i built a nice bucket 6 freqs 6 speekers 2 dirrections 3 amps 3 laptops have not run it yet .... no rush also i built some more motors i will post a few pics
keep on keeping on
ist
Is that a 'Bucket-o-Keely'? Turn that on and do the Schauberger shuffle.
http://www.frank.germano.com/vortexscience.htm
--giantkiller.
Quote from: aleks on April 16, 2008, 11:58:27 AM
Yep, it seems the case. However, what we are really exciting is gravity force (or something like that) around the pulse coils. This force then amplifies the DC bias energy. Since this is done in a cyclic manner, an EM whirl is created with an ever increasing energy. I believe hash is simply a bit of induced energy from the control coils. It should be minor, nothing to worry about.
OK, I'll bite. Can you provide a diagram from which I or other members here could test this theory? I'd be happy to just see this "gravity" force in action around a coil...
Eldarion
Quote from: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 11:57:50 PMOK, I'll bite. Can you provide a diagram from which I or other members here could test this theory? I'd be happy to just see this "gravity" force in action around a coil...
If hypothesis is correct, you can. The anti-gravity field should emerge for a moment around control coil when it is pulsed. However, checking it can be really hard in such conditions. You'll need a very sensitive measurements, a vacuum chamber, static charge grounding. Then you can try to detect displacement of any dielectric material placed near the control coil - even if the control coil is enclosed in some kind of material. Of course, if the hypothesis is correct. Well, if it is not, I'll just shut up.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 17, 2008, 11:05:24 PM
Is that a 'Bucket-o-Keely'? Turn that on and do the Schauberger shuffle.
http://www.frank.germano.com/vortexscience.htm
Thanks for the URL. Those guys also like the word 'implosion'. :) I think there is no much difference between implosion and explosion beside the fact explosion requires "boom" that is dangerous by itself. Both should create gravity change. Implosion is used in atomic bombs so it can be also destructive. The fact about gravity change is what is important in TPU, vortices and rotating magnetic fields are secondary in my opinion. For example, polyphase AC motors also have rotating magnetic fields - and good ones - but they do not produce overunity. Of course, there are not so many AC motors working at 300000 RPM, so I may not be correct in assuming AC motors do not work at all.
wow, cool setup innovation!
@Alecks
The reaction on the outside of the coil where gk see's his sparks is the gravity field or ambient dc/magnetic field resetting the magnetic dipole moments of the control windings electrons. That energy is going inbound to the apparatus, it is the scource of the seeming overunity. The controlled "radiation" of a voltage spike or spark induced magnetic disruption is the key. It acts like a chemical catalyst does but on a realitivistic level. It causes the magnetic dipoles in the electrons encountered to shift. This upsets the resonance of the electron and photons are released. The electrons go cold and set up a gradient to the surrounding field. A spark is a Realitivistic Catalyst for electron mass disintegration, not annihalation, disintegration. Man has had this technology before. 4 wings make a good spark gap configuration and a gold plated box makes a good conductor field to be catalyzed. Now did they have a reed switch to turn it on an a magnet?
Quote from: sparks on April 18, 2008, 06:53:58 AMA spark is a Realitivistic Catalyst for electron mass disintegration, not annihalation, disintegration.
No need to use word "relativistic". Gravity was known long before any "relativistic" theories. If Newton was an organist he would possibly think about gravity as a soundwave produced by a huge horn. Then he could deduct that as soundwave frequency approaches 0, its length becomes infinite and speed of its propagation becomes both undeterminable and irrelevant at the same time.
@Alecks
It is all a matter of symantics. I defined the word realitivistic to give it some scale. I believe the Universe is sung to us. I want to try to explain the kick using terms of standardized physics. I think it is alot easier for people to grasp ideas when they are able to visualize particles and fluids.
The earth's dc magnetic field genertated by the spinning electron's Earth has and the resulting magnetic isobars is easier (at least for me) to visualize the Dynamo theory than perceiving it in terms of electromagnetic wave interaction. Some people see the numbers-some people see the sounds-some people see the particles. Tower of Babel comes to mind.
Whoa Whoo Listen to the Music- Whoa Whoo see the music sometimes. :)
Net mess up.
Quote from: sparks on April 18, 2008, 09:24:20 AMIt is all a matter of symantics. I defined the word realitivistic to give it some scale. I believe the Universe is sung to us. I want to try to explain the kick using terms of standardized physics.
I do not think it is about semantics alone. Gravity being an acoustic wave of zero frequency is a
physical clue: start at soundwave of high frequency, then go down to zero frequency. It is as clear as possible, you can't even perceive that in two different ways. Of course, at first you should deeply understand what soundwave is: it's not hard to do given you can create any kind of soundwaves with your body alone.
Relativistic theory does not give such clues: you will be left in vain trying to visualize anything realistic. Knowledgable people say you should not even compare its outcomes with normal 3D world reasoning. So, this theory is purely virtual.
in the 6 freq bucket or the "Keely Bucket" this is 1 use for it...
look at the sm 17 the balums ;)
now steel core or iron or ferroite absourb the flux where as plastic coper or alum repel or reflect the flux or i guess you can call it internal flux or external flux in the sm17 i think we use creative engery from{ the inside out} oposed to destructive {from the outside in}
if a coper core or plastic were used we could create a magnet external rotating vortex from the center out and the collector be set into the standing wave or ring if you like wich will be located outside of the balum at a distance deturmined by the freqs also the size of the balum ring might just reflect the size of the outter collector to a ratio not so sure ......
or you could use a balum and saturate it ..... till it spews out every where if this is the case you could use a 5 watt tube amp and a few 4 ohm coils wound on a plastic core or a ferroite balum
also i dont know about the freqs as far as i have seen you can mix any freqs and by adjusting just 1 of the freqs you can change dirriction of spinn as well as the speed of the rotation so .....
all that being said
some one must try it out
ist
I can see inertial frames with potential energy in them relating to each other. I don't know if this is from a misunderstanding of relativity but I was studying general relativity when it popped into my "inside eye". I see gravity as an effect arising from the characteristics of inertial frames. The physical Universe consisting of endless inertial frames with the potential for change or energy in these frames. Either your view or mine shows the unification. The frames I mention are perceived only when we take a virtual snapshot.
Quote from: sparks on April 18, 2008, 10:54:23 AMI can see inertial frames with potential energy in them relating to each other.
Potential energy can only exist if inertial frames have interaction between them in form of static long-range forces. It is this static force - which can be stressed by investing kinetic energy of inertial frame - that stores potential energy. It's actually Newton's law of action and counter-action expressed differently. That means that when you are stressing a static force field of object A by static force field of object B which have velocity relative to each other, there will be a maximum distance to which these objects may come into contact. At this point their kinetic energy will be zero and their potential energy will be equal to "invested" kinetic energy. I'm also having a speculation that due to the fact that static long-range forces have an infinite length of their reach, any two objects can never be at a rest relative to each other: they will always be repelling, even light years from each other (considering an ideal conditions where only two objects exist in the Universe). This is supported by a cosmology paradigm of expanding Universe.
Going a bit deeper, I would speculate that static long-range force is represented by gravity/antigravity itself. I'm also pretty interested at this point of time by Keely's atomic/molecular model.
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Each ring in this diagram is a static long-range force field. White being gravity, black being anti-gravity (or vice versa). Before starting to laugh you should consider the fact that planets orbit sun on approximately a plane. Probably for a purpose, which may arise from gravity interaction stability reasons. Internal atomic structure may be also "dictated" by such reasons.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 18, 2008, 10:08:38 AM
in the 6 freq bucket or the "Keely Bucket" this is 1 use for it...
look at the sm 17 the balums ;)
now steel core or iron or ferroite absourb the flux where as plastic coper or alum repel or reflect the flux or i guess you can call it internal flux or external flux in the sm17 i think we use creative engery from{ the inside out} oposed to destructive {from the outside in}
if a coper core or plastic were used we could create a magnet external rotating vortex from the center out and the collector be set into the standing wave or ring if you like wich will be located outside of the balum at a distance deturmined by the freqs also the size of the balum ring might just reflect the size of the outter collector to a ratio not so sure ......
or you could use a balum and saturate it ..... till it spews out every where if this is the case you could use a 5 watt tube amp and a few 4 ohm coils wound on a plastic core or a ferroite balum
also i dont know about the freqs as far as i have seen you can mix any freqs and by adjusting just 1 of the freqs you can change dirriction of spinn as well as the speed of the rotation so .....
all that being said
some one must try it out
ist
Let it rip, dude!
You and me both know you don't have to turn up the volume for loudness when the waves meet up, eh?
Remember to be the only human in the vicinity when testing. And secure all loose objects. Put a closed plastic container of water with black pepper in the bucket during testing, not your body parts. Hang plastic beads from strings down into the bucket from a wooden rod laid across the top. Duct tape it down. ;)
And I wouldn't be surprised that the Keely diag 5 shows the interactions of the acoustic waves when the spinning occurs.
Like shooting fish in a bucket, er barrel. Believe me, it sure beats using your domicile.
--giantkiller. Flirting with disaster. Always.
A fantastic amount of good work going on here guys... its great to see. :)
That Keely diagram is fantastic and has been a focus of my attention in the past, yet it always comes up again. I am sure it will reveal itself to have many more meanings in the future... The level of tuning that Keely went to in his experiments shows how subtle the forces can be when not contained in a bucket!
@Is
Hope you post some good pics/video of it in operation, somewhere, its going to be a fearsome beast! Shame about the file size restrictions, I'm a visual person, now instead of a decent picture we often have to read a 1000 words... ho hum
A
Some very interesting data.....
"Tenan?s discovery, made way back in the 1960s, was that the Fibonacci spiral is the apparent basis for the Hebrew alphabet, as well as the Greek, Arabic, and Sanskrit alphabets, making it the root of the universal language used at the Tower of Babel. It all started when he discovered a pattern in the original Hebrew letters of the first sentence of Genesis - a pattern that appeared when he counted the letters in base three. He then placed these letters into geometric shapes based on that pattern. When placed in a square shape, with like letters placed next to each other in concentric square rings, the result was what looks like a ?bird?s eye view? of a seven-stepped ziggurat like the Tower of Babel. When this was then placed upon a torus or ?doughnut?-shaped surface, and the excess space stripped away, what Stan Tenen had was a three-dimensional representation of the Fibonacci spiral, a shape that can be found in numerous occurrences of nature, including the shape of a developing fetus, and the horns of a ram. This somewhat snakish, flame-like shape Tenen then placed inside of a crystal tetrahedron - a four-sided prism or pyramid. When light was shined through the object in a shadow-box, Tenen found that he could form every single letter of the Hebrew alphabet - in order - just by changing the position of the shape relative to the crystal. With a slightly different orientation, he was able to produce the letters of other alphabets as well. Appropriately, Tenen named the shape the ?flame letter.?
The Fibonacci spiral is a representation of the golden mean proportion that occurs so often in nature, and which has been used in all of the most magnificent works of art and architecture, going back to ancient times, including the pyramids at Giza and presumably, the Tower of Babel. Even the colors of the rainbow are made by different wavelengths that vary in size in a golden mean proportion relative to one another. This can be seen in the varying widths of the color bands in a rainbow. (4) The seven colors correspond to the seven notes of the diatonic music scale, and the mathematical, golden mean relationship between the notes, as they ascend and descend along the scale, matches exactly the relationship between the colors of the rainbow. The fact that colors have musical equivalents is reflected in the twelve-note ?chromatic? musical scale. As described by author Michael S. Schneider in A Beginner?s Guide to Constructing the Universe: ?The chromatic twelve-scale includes the diatonic seven-scale plus five sharps or flats between them, giving the scale shades of musical color.? (5) This may provide a factual basis for the sensory phenomenon known as ?synesthesia?, in which certain people naturally see certain colors when they hear certain sounds, and vice-versa. Such people often report seeing the letters of the alphabet in certain associated colors as well. The modern musical scale system used in the West is based on that invented by the ancient Greeks, and attributed to the sacred ?lyre of Apollo?, which also belonged, in turn, to Orpheus, Pythagoras, and originally, Hermes. Schneider writes that, ?As one stroked the strings upward, the tones descended to earth through E-D-C-B-A-G-F.? Elsewhere in the book he states that the scale would be ritually strummed by priests in order to call angels down from Heaven!"
Joe
http://anightinrome.blogspot.com/2007/06/la-porta-alchemica.html (http://anightinrome.blogspot.com/2007/06/la-porta-alchemica.html)
"The monument has numerous symbols and inscriptions used in alchemy, and legend has it that if you say them in just the right order (unfortunately unknown) and pronounce them perfectly you can get through the door and presumably return with goodies from another dimension. The inscriptions are hard to read from the monument itself, but they are (supposedly) faithfully transcribed on several Internet sites, some of which are listed below."
@localjoe,
Excellant find. It is information like this that makes me revel in awe.
Also there are 12 tribes of Israel.
It is good to know the right history, eh?
--giantkiller.
Just more peices to the puzzle eh ;) ;D i had to share with you once i found that .. hope hans has a chance to see as well.
Joe
I would hazard a guess that the arc was activated by intonation and direction to activate the oscillations to manifest across the wing tips. Man has been educated so many times that the ancients must be getting kinda bored with our birdbrains.
Well, this 'ancient' data is really is unuseful. I bet God don't want to step the same route twice. Your ancient alphabets and sounds won't work if the universe changed its tunage - this may happen. One of the problems is that somebody may want to try to fool the God due to limited understanding but a lot of beliefs - this is what is happening on the Earth now I think. God dictates, we obey. Somebody don't want to obey. Sorry, just a couple of thoughts.
Sorry, this might be a little off your guys topic at the moment, but I want to make a cross-post about these logic chips to make sure everyone knows they exist and where to get them.
Logical Heterodyning:
Basically what we I realized is we can easily make an underlying square wave which has sections cut out of it. This is identical to Meyer's method of electrolysis, only digital. So that means we can describe PWM with two waves.
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a carrier wave: This is the higher frequency of the two waves. It appears to be 50% duty cycle.
a modulation wave: This is the lower frequency of the two waves. From Meyer's patent diagram, we can see the modulation wave appears to be 2/5 the frequency of the carrier wave. Additionally, the modulation wave has a duty cycle of 60%.
Let's put the pulse width details aside for a moment, and get back to pure square waves. We can make these gated pulse trains synthetically, using digital logic. It can be done simply with two programmable oscillators coupled with a high-speed AND gate.
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(this is just an example, it's not same frequencies as Meyer)
The carrier wave is the higher frequency source wave. The PWM wave is the modulation wave. They are being combined via a simple AND gate. The carrier wave goes into one side of the AND gate, the modulation wave goes in the other side of the AND gate, and the output is the multiplexed wave shown above. So basically, with two frequencies going into an AND gate we can replicate the 'pulse train' bunches.
Meyer's electrolysis (reconstructed by Feynman):
carrier wave: 48khz
modulation wave: 16.8khz (2/5 of carrier).
...I believe these are similar to the frequencies he was using to split water.
So the $1million question is, wheredo we get AND gates fast enough to switch kHz and mHz? Well, turns out it's harder than it sounds, but I have found a solution!
Introducing the 74G08 high-speed gigahertz AND gate, from Potato Semiconductor. These guys make the fastest logic chips available. It's just a simple AND gate that has rise time under 1ns and can switch up to 1.1Ghz.
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You can get these chips on ebay for about $1 apiece.
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PS
If this subject interests you, you can msg me or read my cross-post here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4489.msg90598.html#msg90598
Quote from: aleks on April 18, 2008, 05:51:53 PM
Well, this 'ancient' data is really is unuseful. I bet God don't want to step the same route twice. Your ancient alphabets and sounds won't work if the universe changed its tunage - this may happen. One of the problems is that somebody may want to try to fool the God due to limited understanding but a lot of beliefs - this is what is happening on the Earth now I think. God dictates, we obey. Somebody don't want to obey. Sorry, just a couple of thoughts.
Either your stupid or just a close minded kid.
After understanding what kind of impact those findings have on all of our researches whether be Keeley with this diatonic scales ... Finding out that certain alphabets are direct representations of sound frequency's and maybe that of light when combined properly.. Get out of your little box , anyone here knows i dont plan on chanting and stepping through any doorways soon but from all lengths of the world we see a common theme sometimes changed a little to suite the flavor of the locals.. but Sound is a very powerful force how did ancient monks supposedly lift rocks while chanting, druids , Native American Shamans. Mechanical energy or others can be a result of a single freq of sound energy or multiple heterodyne ones. Keeley used this concept and others in there works.
To now find out that The diatonic scale he describes, the fib seq, the golden spiral were represented by ancient verisons of us with no electronics and they based there language off of it. Come on man this is very useful.
.....There was once a great civ that probably rivaled ours 10 fold, it was destroyed the survivors were scattered society had to be reset. Some of the ancient knowledge was kept in the tribes and sacred geometry musical intervals ect , were just finding it now.... Open your mind , man has done this a few times already and we'll probably blow ourselves to hell again. Great way for groups to step in like churches at a very catastropich time for peoples minds.
Take the Sahara and the Gobi, layers of glass the same as we made a white sands and the trinity site. Someone has to be freakin crazy if they don't at least look at these scientific parallels and go .. hmnmmmmm
None of that is a debate i just wanted to bring forth interesting findings ,leave out the bs you should know to pic through lies for truth now.. most of it have to do it daily.
Joe
Trumpet occurs 61 times in 60 verses in the KJV.
All based upon actions of war, triumph, blessings, fear, gleaning. There is obviously some power here.
I just couldn't resist. http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=trumpet&t=KJV&page=3
Not trying to be a zealot but this reference towards mankind with a horn sounding is scientifically interesting. I don't think we'are talking doorbells here.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
'Twinkling of an eye' sounds like a spark gap.
The walls of Jericho were brought down with sound. This Jewish history and not to be misread.
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
Hey localjoe! There is that seven again.
I have come to the conclusion that throughout history those that don't understand make their own explanations to label things far too greater for them to understand. Hence all the dogma that exists today. In these times of now the idiots are running the farm. They tell us we are wrong. We are told to stay down as slaves through peaceful of glutinous poisoning by consumptive addictions.
If this is too deep then the goal here is not clear enough. The whole lot of humanity is screwed by the power brokers and greed mongers. Faith is not bad but called the truth for a reason. Religion has reared its ugly head to play upon the lazy and ignorant. Now the total belief system is deficant.
To stop this by some means is the task at hand. All the great men we base our work here on had the same attitude towards the beast. No?
Today the power brokers are infusing our food stuffs with more and more different type of sugars.WHY?
--giantkiller. Try to understand the journey of the task and not the billboards of futility along the way.
@gk
Real cool, If you have 6 mins. This video is great really worth it http://www.youtube.com/user/soundhealingresource (http://www.youtube.com/user/soundhealingresource)
Joe
Edit-these two specifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3SnnE77vcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3SnnE77vcI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlkIxpuF43o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlkIxpuF43o)
"What is the wiggle in the middle" well of a sound corpusucle with say ... three shells please watch these two vids everyone
PS- Very Moving musical peice "http://multimedia.scotsman.com/audio/heritage/audio/The%20Rosslyn%20Motet.mp3" This is what has been deciphered thus far from the cymatic celing tiles in rossyln chapel
EDIT Very impt .. about a month ago i posted some data about the sacred soflegio scale and the chappel.. i had yet to realize from what i posted eariler
The modern musical scale system used in the West is based on that invented by the ancient Greeks, and attributed to the sacred ?lyre of Apollo?, which also belonged, in turn, to Orpheus, Pythagoras, and originally, Hermes. Schneider writes that, ?As one stroked the strings upward, the tones descended to earth through E-D-C-B-A-G-F.?
the quote is taken from this page real short read http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=73 (http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=73)
That this is the scale backwards.. and the lyre reference for pure tone.. wow
All electrical conductors of a high degree share 7 electrons leaving an electron able to be influenced without destroying the resonance of the entire conductor. Three is the number of creation. One state of being - Meets second state of being- To create third state of being. Spark shock wave meets copper molecular resonance frame to give birth to turbine electricity.
@Fenyman
The pulse energy or electrically induced shock wave can not couple to the collector winding through steel. This energy has got to fly around the toroid.
There is a transmitter winding circuit configured to create an electromagnetic shock wave. A winding to guide and control the produced shock wave/waves. And a winding to chase the shock wave to create what I see as an electrical turbine current. There can be multiple transmitter windings at different freqs so that as one signal collides with the other it creates a shock wave.
@Gk
The trumpet comes on a whirlwind of the South. Acer you and I saw pictures that showed us a whirlwind of the South when it was hit from a trumpet produced coronal mass ejection. NASA was behind the camera.
@ LocalJoe
I'm listening and or seeing sound. Neat. (merging two senses)
Sometimes three when you feel the energy.
What I posted was not for TPU, it was for electrolysis. But the high speed logic gates might be useful. It allows digital wave-mixing and pulse width modulation, etc. I agree generally, I think for anything to come of digital research into TPU it will probably involve phasing and rotation.
@Fenyman
Sorry I just saw the transformer symbol. :P
Oh no problem, keep up the good works guys
It just occured to me that what is just important as the transmitter pulse forms
and their relationship is the interval that the circuit is relaxed.
I believe this is where the 5000hz comes in. This is the interval needed for the Earth dynamo to reset the magnetic dipole moments of the copper electrons we are going to send the next pulse through. Or in other words restore the resonance of the 8th electron we get to play with.
EDIT
This is where I think SM's bailing wire comes in. While the kicks are whirling the collector the bailing wire is being magnetized by the field. Like a magnetic capacitor. We let the circuits relax (the collector winding has inertia) just long enough to keep things maxed and then start the cascade again.
Pure math
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cx9ApVus1g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4iabPvG3VA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugq6frGlKVQ&feature=related
--giantkiller.
Quote from: sparks on April 18, 2008, 10:15:02 PM
It just occured to me that what is just important as the transmitter pulse forms
and their relationship is the interval that the circuit is relaxed.
I believe this is where the 5000hz comes in. This is the interval needed for the Earth dynamo to reset the magnetic dipole moments of the copper electrons we are going to send the next pulse through. Or in other words restore the resonance of the 8th electron we get to play with.
EDIT
This is where I think SM's bailing wire comes in. While the kicks are whirling the collector the bailing wire is being magnetized by the field. Like a magnetic capacitor. We let the circuits relax (the collector winding has inertia) just long enough to keep things maxed and then start the cascade again.
So the iron wire acts as delay and through the use of the magnetic field allowing us a longer window to hit the resonant wave? The sustained magnetic field would look like dc underneath the hash / the field perimeter where the wave shows up. The sustained field would make sense. Snap it again and there would be quite a reaction as in high speed high voltage.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Localjoe on April 18, 2008, 06:21:32 PM
Either your stupid or just a close minded kid.
After understanding what kind of impact those findings have on all of our researches whether be Keeley with this diatonic scales ...
We are at disagreement, but let that not stop you. My reasoning is far simpler than you would accept. Those "findings"
were already in existence and use before, but they failed to help those civilizations to sustain their life. I think it's illusion to think this information will help in a long run - if not maybe give authority to modern Hebrews or Greeks. Who is power monger after all? Seeking truth in the past is a power-mongerish apporach. Too many great crimes were based on "historical sources" and "holy sources". It's a shaky ground. This is what I wanted to say: if it didn't help in the past, it won't likely help now. Not to mention that some 'myths' could have been directives in the first place: they may depict situations that were existent in people's imagination only, and which at the same time are beliefs and desires. It is very dangerous to support myths: they may lead to nazi fascism, modern 'science alike' myths like communism may lead to Gulag. The problem many people do not perceive as real is that myths have no mercy, they are merciless when you believe in insane myths because these myths - as any big or small man's desires - may be brought to reality to everyones' later despair. Myths are dangerous; abberations of past in the view of the futute are dangerous. Trying to feed the myth of Tower of Babel and make a universal language a reality will give a rise to fascism far greater than before. On the other hand, if God wanted such unification there would be no millions of animals and millions of human characters. Universal language is man's desire to fool God - this is what I meant by somebody trying to fool God. Myths are always trying to fool God - it's one of the weapons against Him, it's a way to hide information within information.
As for universe retuning consider the following fact... It's known that Aristotle mentioned that a fly has 8 legs. Insane. On the other hand, Aristotle's works do not look insane. Modern flies have 6 legs. Change of reality happened inbetween his and our time?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 18, 2008, 11:20:25 PMSo the iron wire acts as delay and through the use of the magnetic field allowing us a longer window to hit the resonant wave? The sustained magnetic field would look like dc underneath the hash / the field perimeter where the wave shows up. The sustained field would make sense. Snap it again and there would be quite a reaction as in high speed high voltage.
I was trying to say exactly the same thing.
The way I see it is that the kick windings or winding that the hf pulse is runnning around in circles on. (along the skin of the winding) disrupts the resonance of the 8th electron of the kickwinding copper molecular conductor. This electon is very weakly attracted to the atomic lattice of the conductor. The only reason it is a part of the conductor is because the conductor atoms are sharing 7electrons and the 8th electron is in updown dipolar magnetic resonance with the 7th electron. (Local Joe- Resonance is reached in octaves) This eigth electron shifts it's dipolar moment in response to the magnetic information of the kick. This energy or shifting of the dipolar field comes from the intrinsic potential energy of the 8th electron's inertial frame. The electron exchanges potential energy with the inertial frame of the collector winding. (Releases photons, or phonons whether your seeing or hearing :))
Iron is one smart element. It is the magnetic energy collector of the Universe. While the kick is messing around with the 8th electrons of the kick winding: Iron of the bailing wire is responding to the Magnetic Field OUTSIDE of the TPU. It is adjusting it's entire atomic character in response to magnetic information of the field. It is storing magnetic potential energy (aether wind energy) in it's atomic lattice. When the circuit is relaxed it shares this magnetic information and energy with the 8th electron whose resonance has been corrupted.
As you can see from above the bailing wire needs to reset the resonance of the kick winding electrons without the kick energy being absorbed in the bailing wire. The bailing wire takes time to absorb magnetic energy from the field before it's magnetic field information goes radiant. The delay element referenced by Spherics and Alecks.
Edit:
SM referred to this time element delay as the frequency of conversion. He misstated. It is not the frequency of conversion it is the frequency of commutation. Commutation of energy collected and stored in the iron to the copper electrons in the kick windings.
Quote from: aleks on April 19, 2008, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 18, 2008, 11:20:25 PMSo the iron wire acts as delay and through the use of the magnetic field allowing us a longer window to hit the resonant wave? The sustained magnetic field would look like dc underneath the hash / the field perimeter where the wave shows up. The sustained field would make sense. Snap it again and there would be quite a reaction as in high speed high voltage.
I was trying to say exactly the same thing.
So this post sequence was very important. I am staring at my notched pvc coil. I believe the Helmholtz coils were to be of iron instead of copper.
@GK
To compute the commutation speed we need to know how fast the kick energy will circumnavigate the kick winding mass. If something is used to STOP the kick energy in it's tracks then things are back in our control. The kick energy is only a catalyst, it is not the gunpowder. It is the shockwave from the hammer hitting the shell casing. We have to have our finger on the trigger or it's going to be trouble. Someone on this forum stated quite clearly that you know who realized the importance of being able to stop his magnetic disruptions.
Edit:
Instead of a second frequency it just occurred to me that the stop could be just a conventional choke dumping the pulse energy. Like the chokes you see SM laying magnets on, the ones in the middle that look like I'll be damned chokes and the one he has under the black tape in the LTPUs or the ones he puts on the columns of the stonehendge looking TPU. I just dumped the second frequency stupidity I just blabbered in the unmodified version of this post with the word something. Sorry.
;D
hey gk
or the polar oppsitte no? lol orieo cookie ;)
so a friend of mine droped by last night an old hippy from way back .... and he brought with him a verry nice old book to show me some things here is the library of congress catalog card number 67-27972
it is an illustrated encyclopedia of technology from 1963 republished in 1967 verry intersting to say the least.....
ist
Quote from: giantkiller on April 19, 2008, 11:20:45 AM
So this post sequence was very important. I am staring at my notched pvc coil. I believe the Helmholtz coils were to be of iron instead of copper.
Just to re-iterate... (hope I've got it right)
If I'm not mistaken, instead of saw-tooth pulses (which could be optimal IMO), you can use varying duty-cycle PWM. E.g. tuning the PWM to 5kHz while setting the duty cycle to 5%. If core's induction frequency response is "slow" (e.g. cutoff at 3kHz), such mode of pulsing should add energy to core with each pulse up to saturation. Probably iron is better than copper because its induction is "slow". It cut offs all high frequencies you put into pulse (this energy goes into seemingly a loss) and so its "background" (back) EMF mainly consists of low frequencies. With each pulse you'll just add a new portion of energy to this background EMF thus increasing the field. Chokes are low-pass filters after all!
This corresponds to SM's comments discussed on another thread here, where SM says that after enabling DC current you should immediately shut it off. The frequency of pulsing is not discussed, but even such information gives a clue that it should be varying duty-cycle PWM. Plus we know for sure that spark gap "shuts off" right after firing through the air gap. So, this also corresponds to SM's vision.
So, I remember a talk about "iron wire" whose length should be changed to "make things work". Everybody knows that wires have a "bandwidth". If a wire is very bad at that (iron wire is an example), it will work as a kind of a choke that removes higher frequencies. It is by no means a delay, but you should know that any low-pass filtering gives a rise to Gibbs' oscillations: this is where delay shows itself. The longer the wire, the lower the cut off frequency and thus Gibbs oscillations become longer. And so, if you fire a pulse faster than Gibbs' oscillation settles down, the overall magnitude of the oscillation will rise. It is this oscillation that pulsing can act upon and interact with.
@ Alecks
The iron needs to be outside of the influence of the kick windings. NOT IN THE CORE> that is where the collector is. The hf will travel along the skin of the kick windings doing it's thing. We don't want the pulse to get screwedup with iron in the core of the torroid. Otherwise you just made yourself a frigging choke for your kick. The pulse navigates the torroid until it gets to the stop winding which chokes it's energy. You feed a signal from this stop coil to your oscillator, phase displaced depending on the permeability of the kick windings and the amount of power you want to regulate. This gives time for the iron to transfer it's captured energy into the copper of the kick windings. Then pull the trigger and do it again.
@sparks
it all depends on the design........
i have many motors or turbines with coper and iron or steel as a core
but agin i know what your saying ;)
ist
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Quote from: sparks on April 19, 2008, 12:30:28 PMOtherwise you just made yourself a frigging choke for your kick.
I do not fully agree here. The low-passing effect is back EMF effect (RC effect, with induced energy being analogous to capacitance). The pulse will fire through the whole toroid first, then you'll notice the low-pass effect. Statistically it is a low-pass effect, but physically the required movement will be there.
The problem here is that if your reasoning is correct, there is no need to use any core whatsoever. Even a PVC tube core works as a low-pass filter being a capacitor which adds its surface charge to the output with a bit of time delay. And then again, ANY coil is a low-pass filter. How you'll treat this fact?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 19, 2008, 11:20:45 AM
I believe the Helmholtz coils were to be of iron instead of copper.
This solely depends on the core. Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil this coil is seemingly copper, but with plexiglass core. Plexiglass has some required capacitance - it may be even much more efficient at sustaining the inductive charge than any metal.
Beside that PESWiki mentions a man who runs small motors by using plexiglass and a small coil. The same effect we are all looking for I think, take a look.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Daniel_Pomerleau_Free_Energy_Coils (here, pulses may be auto-excitated inside the plexiglass core)
i got a link for you all
i did this so long ago i almost forgot about it it is in half baked lol
plexi ring welding wire copper and a crystal lol
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2162.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2107.0.html
hummm
i may even still have the coil laying round some where .....
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@Alecks
You are getting way ahead of me. I am just trying to get the kicks to negotiate the torroid. Then have the iron restore the kick windings magnetic resonance with the Earth field. This restoration is what back emf is all about. What makes a magnetic field collapse?
Quote from: sparks on April 19, 2008, 02:08:58 PMYou are getting way ahead of me. I am just trying to get the kicks to negotiate the torroid. Then have the iron restore the kick windings magnetic resonance with the Earth field. This restoration is what back emf is all about. What makes a magnetic field collapse?
Well, back EMF has nothing to do with Earth's magnetic field. Back EMF is energy returning back to circuit after it bounced around in the core. In the sense it is like a capacitor discharge. Hence, when it is added, an RC (low-pass) effect is created. Back EMF opposes forward electric current hence creating a resistance at certain frequencies. Gibbs' oscillations are not back EMF itself, but a result of back EMF acting upon an impulse signal. In this sense pulse may "fire" through the whole toroid just to be subjected to back EMF.
One idea about 5kHz pulse frequency related to things said by me. As far as I know, cores all have a pretty wide frequency response range. If the theory of how this TPU works is valid, one should choose a core (or coil arrangement) whose low-pass corner frequency is as low as possible. At the same time it is hard to find a core with a very low low-pass corner frequency. For example, if this frequency is 3kHz, 5 kHz pulsing may seem pretty logical. If you can find even a "larger" core you may further lower the pulsing frequency (but its voltage should be increased proportionally); anyway small-format TPUs are limited with core choices. If frequency of core is high you'll need to increase pulse frequency.
To check core's frequency response you'll need to sweep the coils with a sinewave of frequency raising logarithmically. This way you'll be able to measure frequency response of the coil.
@ Alecks
Please reread what you just posted. Because the tpu bounces the energy around just like you said but it bounces it a little further away and into a much larger frame of inertia than our little tpu circuit.
@ All check these phrases out.....
In the present application
my object is to describe the best and
most convenient manner of-which I am at presently aware of carrying out the intention as applied
to a system of electrical distribution;
but one skilled in the art will readily understand
from the description by the modifications
proposed in said applications, wherein the form of both the generator and converter
in the present case may be modified.
381970
The inducing or primary coils wound on the core I
are divided into pairs or sets by the proper
electrical connections, so that while the coils of
one pair or set to co-operate in fixing the magnetic
poles of the core at two given diametrically-opposite points, the coils of the other pair
or set?assuming, for sake of illustration, that
there are but two?tend to fix the poles ninety
degrees from such points. With this induction
device I use an alternating-current generator with coils
or sets of coils to correspond
with those of the converter, and by means of
suitable conductors I connect no in independent
circuits the corresponding coils of the generator
and converter. It results from this that the different electrical phases in the generator
are attended by corresponding magnetic
changes in the converter; or, in other
words, that as the generator-coils revolve the
points of greatest magnetic intensity in the converter will be progressively shifted or
whirled around. This principle I have applied
under variously-modified conditions to
the operation of electromagnetic motors, and
in 'p previous applications, notably in those having Serial Nos. 252,132 and 256,561, I have described
in detail the manner of constructing
and using such motors
The armature
is set to revolve within an iron shell, R',
which constitutes the field-magnet, or other
element of the motor. This shell is preferably
formed with a slot or opening, r, but it may
be continuous, as shown by the dotted lines,
5 and in this event it is preferably made of steel.
It is also desirable that this shell should be
divided up similarly to the armature and for
similar reasons
381968
Joe
Look carefully at the winding of the converter in 381970 & 382282 - it's clearly wired as an AC device. But this I do believe to be one basis for SM's device, only wired in a DC configuration and running at higher frequencies. "Listen, you need to make three coils or so, one on top of the other." - SM
My early experimental TPU builds employing this concept and using square-wave input have shown a low-integrity high-frequency DC component, along with the expected sympathetic AC obtained through resonance. It's a matter of tuning the build to generate sufficient DC frequencies to result in the cascade effect that Tesla's device achieves with AC. It's entirely possible that SM's output is actually an AC signal, but with the lower or upper part of the resulting sine missing or shoved into the opposite domain to create something more DC than AC in behavior. SM saw that Tesla's device could be truly useful if the generator were miniaturized, and realized that DC conversion was possible because of the higher frequencies available to today's techies.
@localjoe
Just to comment on differences between iron and steel
Iron:
wrought iron has very high magnetic permeability. usually ip=1000 and up.
Steel:
stainless steel is non-magnetic. it has low permeability. ip=200 and below.
rolled steel is magnetic. it is 98-99.7% iron. it has similar permeability to iron. ip=200-1500.
are you talking about stainless steel or rolled steel?
thanks
@Feynman
you know your steel well i went and got some water pipe 5 and 6 " i think it was a mild steel not too hard to drill or grind it is 1/4" wall seams to be quite magnetic
im hopeing it works well i have not tryed the steel out yet {laqueing driveing devices} just getting some of my older things finished that and of course makeing new things to me any ways ;)
hey i did this little old test a wile ago as did most of us guess where im going next yep back to that little old test ;)
i just finished this little kit i bought it is a lite chaser 4 channel not too fast tho but hey thought i would throw somthing togather out of it and see how well it will work .....
this is the ist cork screw coil
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@Feynman
Those quotes are directly from the tesla patent no's i listed with each quote.
Joe
@Buzzard
Check out 381968 that has the modifications proposed and confirms that you can wind multiple sets of coils superimposed upon one another. Good find
Joe
Quote from: buzz-ard on April 19, 2008, 10:29:59 PM"Listen, you need to make three coils or so, one on top of the other." - SM
SM's open TPU does not have coils "one on top of the other", so this suggestion does not look universal.
One thing to note. I've read an article dealing with "cold thermonuclear synthesis". There, most experimentation deals with HV pulsing: e.g. titanium plates in water being pulsed with 5kV discharges. Titanium isotope transmutation happens together with pollution of water. Another experiment deals with 100micron wires pulsed by HV. As a result, much OU energy is released, confirmed by precision calorimeter measurements.
So, I guess we are on a right track assuming that pulsing produces OU energy. I just hope someday mainstream science confirms existence of zero-frequency acoustic wave formations. Then again, the guys are talking about 'monopoles' which can in fact be DC acoustic wave formations (monopoles in their theory appear to have field of 100000 T near their center - unbelievable intensity).
To reiterate myself, while these formations have ultra-low energy, they produce grand effect on the strong nuclear forces. Probably they also produce alike grand effect on EM fields "compressing" and shifting their spectrum and thus producing OU energy. I would speculate that while low-energy pulses (those used in TPUs) may affect EM fields only, high-energy pulses (50kJ as in mentioned experiment) may perform transmutation. The latter one is dangerous, so it should not be considered.
(from http://www.uf.narod.ru/pop/Fusion100_Rus.htm)
1. condenser battery 2. discharger 3.inductive wire 4. Ti foil 5. Ti electrode 6. polyethylene cap 7. cap fasteners 8. explosion chamber 9. distilled water
To sum it up again, at first we need to create an "inductive energy cloud" which is achieved by a slow ferromagnetic, PVC, plexiglass, wood, whatever core. Secondly, we should pulse this cloud with short 1ns rise time pulses with high enough energy (several mJoules per pulse). Thirdly, we should have an "energy sink" in a form of a collector wire. Since pulse circuitry "opens" for a very short time to produce a discharge into core, any surplus energy can only flow into collector wire inbetween pulses, especially if pulse circuitry is protected with a diode.
The only important thing that should be regarded is that DC magnetic bias does not produce induction. So, the output should be a biased AC, and pulses should be tuned to produce high-freq AC in the collector wire. If 5kHz is something important, related to some earthly resonances (I'm not sure it is), then pulses should be tuned to produce 5kHz AC output. One note, though, is that you can get DC current from biased AC by applying an RC stage. It's simple: AC will be removed, DC will remain. This mix of data I've provided is very close to mix of information provided by SM himself.
The problem with using steel in the core is that it takes time and energy to polarize the steel. It is frigging slow as molasses. Move up to a 400hz motor and you will find alot less steel in it than a 60hz motor. These are motors guys not generators. How much steel do you think you will need inside a 5000hz motor?
transmit a hf spike across a matched antennae and feed back the oscillations to the transmitter instead of feeding them to a speaker. "Of course if the whole thing turns into a bomb...."
Quote from: sparks on April 20, 2008, 07:44:11 AMThe problem with using steel in the core is that it takes time and energy to polarize the steel. It is frigging slow as molasses.
Maybe it's exactly what is necessary?
Steel in the core if you want to make an induction generator yes. Steel outside the core if you want to make a dynamo. At 5000hz you aren't going to need much delay to go polar. The overunity is in the ability of a spike, kick, shockwave , etc. to disrupt the electron resonance to release potential energy that has been stored in this creation as a gift to mankind since the beginning. It is the toy man is allowed to play with to create his physical world. The 8th electron. The creator even made them shine so we would notice them. Copper Silver Gold.
And there is iron the most persistent substance in all the Universe. Able to stand eye to eye with gravitational fields beyond comprehension. The Earth loaded with it. We put the two together and we get to go out and play.
Of course there are those that thirst for power. I would ask them to rest on their quest for ultimate power and imagine being the head of the whole damn Universe for a day and the responsiblity that would entail. Do you think that Ceasar's of Rome or Pharohs of Egypt or President's of the United States or Kings of Europe had happy lives? Go to the top of the Mountain in your mind and look over, it aint all that it is cracked up to be.
Quote from: sparks on April 20, 2008, 08:45:12 AMSteel in the core if you want to make an induction generator yes.
Why not? I think TPU is an inductive generator. It supplies electric energy through induction in the first place, even if you dismiss the fact it is an OU device.
By the way, radiant energy receiver of Tesla is comprised of steel plate. Well, modern scientists think it was a photovoltaics of kind, but of course it's not. On the other hand, Tesla's radiant energy could have really been what is now known as light EM wave. Then again, it is what is mentioned by modern scientists: they believe Tesla mixed up things.
Tesla sent his catalyst inward across a voltage multiplier circuit. Same freq same current 1000 fold amplitude. Electronic resonance restored to his winding using the dielectric/magnetic character of air.
He studied air electromagnetic qualities of capacitance and inductance to the point he knew that there was a change in capacitance between night and day, elevation, time of year etc. He wasn't doing that for no reason. Sm short cutted all that using the well known permeability of iron and manipulated the dielectric field around the spiker using various electrostatic materials as capacitors. Yes the black tape is important as well as the metal down in the base of the tpu and the plastic discs on the open tpu. Or you can just do what Tesla did in his little car experiment and put a ring of tubes around an antennae which serves as a conductor for a motor of special design.
"Must be 50 ways to leave your lover." The spike The field The Receiver.
............. What to do Steven? ................ Think Legacy
Sparks...
"
The steel has a serious purpose.. take this for a moment and chew on it "Steel in the core if you want to make an induction generator yes. Steel outside the core if you want to make a dynamo. "
You can make both into one device ... You hit em at the same time and yea the pulse through the copper is going to arrive first and yes the pulse through the steel is comming second but the wires can be shunted together and operate independently.
Joe
Joe I can see it happening!
The magnetic domain shifting taking time in the iron wire meanwhile the copper resonance disruption occurs closer to the speed of light. This way the magnetic energy release of the copper is given direction by the iron magnetic response to the same catalysing pulse.
Thanks Joe for another lesson. :)
@sparks
Cool, please read pats no's 381,968 382,279 then 381,970 read carefully to the propsed modifications in the first two patents and there implications, write it down, then read 381,970 and the refrences to the modifications proposed in the two prior patents .. sneeky sneeky.
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Cool, please read pats no's 381,968 382,279 then 381,970 read carefully to the propsed modifications in the first two patents and there implications, write it down, then read 381,970 and the refrences to the modifications proposed in the two prior patents .. sneeky sneeky.
Are you suggesting that Tesla hid some "overunity" clues via patent system? "Information within information"? :) If so, what have you discovered?
Quote from: aleks on April 21, 2008, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Cool, please read pats no's 381,968 382,279 then 381,970 read carefully to the propsed modifications in the first two patents and there implications, write it down, then read 381,970 and the refrences to the modifications proposed in the two prior patents .. sneeky sneeky.
Are you suggesting that Tesla hid some "overunity" clues via patent system? "Information within information"? :) If so, what have you discovered?
high self-induction:
Quote
This barrier caused the ?bunching? effect. Electrostatic charges were literally stopped and held for an instant by line resistance, a barrier which only existed during the brief millisecond interval in which the power switch was closed. The sudden force application against this virtual barrier squeezed charge into a density impossible to obtain with ordinary capacitors. It was the brief application of power, the impact of the charge against the resistance barrier, which brought this abnormal electro-densified condition. This is why the conductive wires in his present experiment often exploded.
With both the oscillations and alternations eliminated, new and strange effects began making their appearance. These powerful and penetrating phenomena were never observed when working with high frequency alternations.
The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings.
The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure.
When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects.
Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced.
With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse duration brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects, which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla
He had discovered a new induction law, one where radiant shockwaves actually autointensified when encountering segmented objects. (high self-induction)
Patent 381968, 381970, 390721, again...
There is no current because the electrons do not flow. The high energy is composed of the sheer high speed ;) kinetic energy. The atom rings and sings the universe electric. The energy is transmitted by sheer force faster and harder than the atom can expel matter. We are generating and playing with sub atomic shock waves. :o
In the famous words of Wil Smith in the movie 'Independance day' 'I gotta get me one of these!'. So build one per 381968. I got one and it sits on my desktop. :D I am sure there are a few others out there too.
The power of the universe sits right in front of me.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D1872.0%3Battach%3D4962%3Bimage&hash=e6aa4ecc7b8bd6de6ccd2c6e5d0a341a87a69f51)
If the previous example is too complex:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382297.pdf
--giantkiller. Plain and simple.
@aleks
Gk did a great job explaining the effects ThanksÃ, :-[ .Ã, Its hard to decipher tesla's shit sometimes but this is as far as i am.Ã, Between those three patents the first two i mention will let one understand how he operates motors and generatiors on these principals. And modifications that can be made on either to increase efficency and eliminate moving parts.Ã, In 381,970 he describes how to combine those modifications or their uses in the bigger picture.Ã, As well gk dicussed one further than ive gotten 390,721, Make sure to check 382 279 it is mentioned in 381970 but only its serial no is mentioned which is confusing. Once i can finish drawing this thing according to how he describes the mods i'll be back. last but not least.. the magnets might have an acctual purpose . Not often you find tesla using permanent magntes as opposed to feild mags.
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@Gk
What kinda wire is the blue stuff?
@Gk And others interested
quick summation
Pat. 381,970
Refrences patents 381,968 and 382,279 for construction and operation
Pat. 390,721
Refrences 381,968 and 382,280 ??? Both of which are from may 1 1888
patents.
So now i'll be on my way to read through 382,280
Joe
Quote from: Localjoe on April 21, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
@Gk
What kinda wire is the blue stuff?
Green coated
Iron wire... ;D Making this coil the only one of it's kind. 8) Programmable core.
Anybody catch the plow patent? Dated May 1st, 1888. How ironic. No wonder crop circles are mysterious or ingored to 99% of the planet.
--giantkiller.
Lords of the Ring thread needs to be perused.
;D
plain n simple
a vid i made months ago......
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gk4 model 12vdc 1000ma 1 neo magnet ;D
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2788.160.html
so guys yesterday i posted some verry good info in a picture 8) any how i did not have what i posted laying around so i went and bought 1 what can i say just awsome lol
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@Gk
Scary how close it was .. i'll never forget that day. We were all going hot in that thread then was it like page 114 or 104 or something we comeback the next day and theres a whole page missing of otto's posts and steffan tells us the thread is locked or cant be posted in anymore.Ã, Sure was a good thread.
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PS-What are you going to use on top the 4 copper's a different grade iron or the same as the collector?Ã, I was contiplating using rolled steel wire its a little thicker than a bic pen yet uninsulated.Ã,Â
Take this for waht its worthÃ, What if we stack a steel or iorn ring on top of the 4 coppers wrappeded on the iron wire core. Then wrap More copper coils in quadrature like before. I know theres two tracks here but i think there superimposed one withen another. Just my guess, once i have the part you have done i will be able to test a set of 4 iron or steel coils on the copper for induced / inducing and there respective quantity transformations.Ã, It keeps screaming to me that he combined the generatior in the motor so taht they helped one another function and he described creating it so the motor would revolove twice when the generator completed one revolution.. This sounds like engine timing.Ã, Ã, So i think the culmination of his device was a motor withen a generator or vica versa not sure yet that had a modified timing ,no moving parts and cop output well over 1..
Once the process is started of shifiting the poles by a single impulseÃ, it would seem tesla found a novel way to keep that whole magnetic dynamo shifting process going on its own.Ã, i know i sound crazy saying this but i really think that he includes at least 2 perment magnets from figure 11 in 381,968 in the final device it would answer how one pulse could be magnifided infinetly if led around the proper way throught he maze .
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Quote from: giantkiller on April 21, 2008, 11:57:37 AM
In the famous words of Wil Smith in the movie 'Independance day' 'I gotta get me one of these!'.
A week ago I went and bought 'Independance day' DVD just to review it.. Probably for 5th time. Well, I'm dreaming of flying saucers. They are not fantasy, but they border free energy coastline, so they won't be available until free energy is available to everyone.
The text you've quoted do not know where you've got it is grandiose. Exactly what I was thinking when I entered this OU site with my DC acoustic wave hypothesis. Just note that impulses are not plain square waves... RC low-passed saw-tooth is ideal. Low duty-cycle square wave is second to it.
What dollard book was that GK? ;) :)
@ alecks You unified it all in my mind thanks!
@Local Joe and GK
You guys are all set I can see to go into fabrication mode.
Sparks is running low on energy and needs to take a little vacation from college here on OU. :P Hope my seeing the sound was the right spark. Latter guys. :)
@Sparks
Every day is a fab day ..Ã, i like to tinker keeps me sane.
@GK
OK so
Pat 381,968 Electro Magnetic Motor
Pat 382,280 electrical transmission of power
Print them out if ya can. I had to do a double take before i realized wait did they copy the pictures from the other pat exactly? I mean exactly too even the letters. Different rotations on the first page of pics tho
Im making a flow chart so we can follow this easier, i will show the pat's their names and subjagate under the patent which names them , as well i will include the serial number filing date that shuould further help organize them beacuse the pat numbers arent in order.
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edit 382,280
The last two pages of text .... wow finally a description of this true alternating current must read.. helped me fill in the missing peices of what he intended.
Quote from: sparks on April 21, 2008, 02:37:37 PM@ alecks You unified it all in my mind thanks!
No problem. Hope this all proves correct and we can soon fly on saucers and put a lot of robots to work.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 21, 2008, 11:57:37 AM
If the previous example is too complex:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382297.pdf
Cool, you've mixed up numbers :) 382279 382297
Patents are totally different, but idea of pulsing is like riding the wire with a plow. :) Patents are 7 days apart as well.
Seeing the sound? One-hand clap? How ironical at that!...
The book quote was what I had gotten from before. One of the Tesla books most likely. ;)
In the Lords of the Ring thread beneath the coil pic post, Grumpy posted http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21443.html#msg21443
--giantkiller.
@Ljoe,
Same thing with 381970, 382282. Flipped out, eh?
Anybody that knows anything about the patent system knows since the pictures are the same then the text has got to be different. Obvious, again.
Therein lies Tesla's secrets. Looks like we are on the fore front of the new regime. Don't get caught with you coils up!
@Aleks,
And on the seventh day He rested. The plow patent was very fitting seven days later when, throughout all of history, mankind wished they could pound their swords into plowshares.
Maybe we can jump start Peace.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 21, 2008, 04:29:20 PM
@Aleks,
And on the seventh day He rested. The plow patent was very fitting seven days later when, throughout all of history, mankind wished they could pound their swords into plowshares.
Maybe we can jump start Peace.
--giantkiller.
The Sound of One Hand: http://www.io.com/~snewton/zen/onehand.html Steven Newton... How ironical? :)
There are many crops that can be harvested from mass. Salt Water will yield hydrogen gas. The field the plow the wagon. Mass Spike Colllector.
hey guys here is the kit i assembled to drive my ist cork screw coil i have been winding it for 8 hours now .... say i yi yi
http://www.canakit.net/
UK215 - 4-Channel Back & Forth Light Chaser
the plan was to walk up and down the coil...... squeezing it like the verry first test i ever did
aka OTTOS TEST
;)
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 22, 2008, 09:27:29 AMUK215 - 4-Channel Back & Forth Light Chaser
Great find. Can you vary duty cycle on this one? How's the rise time?
382,282
--giantkiller. 8)
@ inovation ; LOL I told you about the light chaser , I'm testing with the Bedini SG circut right now and think it will work !!!
You guys get any neutrinos whirring around the inside of your tpu's today?
@sparks
Only this
I have 1 segment of the GK4 hooked in.
The idea is to get the resonance correct so the resonant ringing lasts longer till lthe next pulse comes. I get 480 vp2p when that is not so. i have been able to get the ringing to last at least 75% of the cycle time with a duty cycle of 10%. I can change clocks or caps and coils.
That using my 555 timer box. It is not stable enough. I will switch to the ltc9604 and the xr2206 boxes.
I have to send in the scope for repair. The 1st channel is blown from last stun gun test. Using it is like walking through a house mirrors with one eye closed.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 22, 2008, 11:17:05 PMi have been able to get the ringing to last at least 75% of the cycle time with a duty cycle of 10%. I can change clocks or caps and coils.
At what frequency? Also, are you pulsing a single control coil or in chaser mode? (I guess 1 segment of GK4 means a single control coil is in use)
By the way, Tesla in his 382,282 patent suggests to use a lot of iron - not only for wires inside core, but also on top of "control coils", all around the toroid. Probably it could be a nice idea - you do not have to connect that outer coil to anything, only use it as an additional magnetic energy storage. Then again, core wires and this outside winding should create some magnetic flux space between them. This won't make the assembly more complex, but may extend the time of "ringing" after each pulse.
I guess those 3 greenish wire cores with 4 red control coils on top of each is your GK4?
(on another thought, have you considered that heart beat on oscilloscope looks like a pulse followed by a kick? I guess this thing should work similarly, with magnetic field/charge being a "muscle" that is contracted by pulses, the kick carries overunity energy we are looking for)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmath.la.asu.edu%2F%7Ekawski%2FMATLAB%2Fimages%2Fheartbeat.gif&hash=741d37416ec0f0bb96284b612883c218ea6202bd)
Quote from: aleks on April 23, 2008, 02:46:43 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 22, 2008, 11:17:05 PMi have been able to get the ringing to last at least 75% of the cycle time with a duty cycle of 10%. I can change clocks or caps and coils.
At what frequency? Also, are you pulsing a single control coil or in chaser mode? (I guess 1 segment of GK4 means a single control coil is in use)
By the way, Tesla in his 382,282 patent suggests to use a lot of iron - not only for wires inside core, but also on top of "control coils", all around the toroid. Probably it could be a nice idea - you do not have to connect that outer coil to anything, only use it as an additional magnetic energy storage. Then again, core wires and this outside winding should create some magnetic flux space between them. This won't make the assembly more complex, but may extend the time of "ringing" after each pulse.
I guess those 3 greenish wire cores with 4 red control coils on top of each is your GK4?
That is the GK4. Each red coil of 29 gauge is a segment and only one layer. It is wrapped additionally with single trace of multistrand lamp cord by each segment also. So 12) 28awg segments ( high inductance) encompassed by 4) lamp wire segments (low inductance).
The iron casing will contain the magnet field and keep it from escaping into space.
The green wire is the iron wire. I have more and can get more.
--giantkiller.
All posted on 1888-05-01, same day.
381,968 382,280 same device, same number of pages
381,969 382,281 same device, same number of pages
381,970 382,282 same device, same number of pages
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 23, 2008, 11:39:43 AM
That is the GK4. Each red coil of 29 gauge is a segment and only one layer. It is wrapped additionally with single trace of multistrand lamp cord by each segment also. So 12) 28awg segments ( high inductance) encompassed by 4) lamp wire segments (low inductance).
Why lamp wire?
Do you have pulse plots of 29 gauge wire segment pulse and iron wire core in parallel?
@Gk
Im still trying to understand waht he describes as "true impulse of alternating currents" . I think from what i have read is that he considers full rise and fall of a sine wave to be one impulse.Ã, Take this for instance.Ã, 2 sets of control coils oposite of eachother are wired in series as the pat shows.Ã, leavingÃ, 4 open terminals on the controls.Ã, Two of which take to one function gen two of which take to the other. I need you to try this and see the result as i dont have the equipment.Ã, Her's the goal.Ã, I want you to try both ways if you can..
1)Ã, Fire the first set of controls with a + pos dc pulse , fire the second set at the same time with a neg - Dc pulseÃ, Of the same "intensity" dont want to vary that yet.Ã, It has to be syncronos so they have to fire at the same time.Ã,Â
2) Same test but now we want to test the direction were doing this,Ã, Ã, Try chasing the neg after the pos meaing firing the coils in the same direction via there position and windingÃ, ;D , Try doing them oposite so the pulses smack too. I think a secret lies in this method.Ã, I just dont have the shite to test the diff combinations .
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@GK
I don't think the iron has to go all the way down the coil. Once you have the neurtrinos (aether fluid) giving the copper released neutrinos some direction they'll keep going all together. Please note the dc wire going down the core. This wire is used to saturate the solenoid coil interior so the neutrinos from the copper don't end up having to fill it. Make sure you aim it at some metal or it is going to float right through the wall. I ??? THINK!! Edit I have the green wire messed up in relationship to the copper.
@sparks
Drop the exocitc particle shit.. trust me dude this will become a lot more clear to you w/o that mental barrier. Read all the pats were going over this isnt exoctic shit its how mankind fucked up 100 years ago in transformer/motor and generator design with rotating feilds by not listenting to tesla.Ã, ;)Ã, ;D
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@local joe
I don't know what to call the exotic stuff. It's whatever they put in a permanent magnet before they sell it. It is also what swings compass needles around. It also what saturates a permeable core reactor. Magtrinos? Aether fluid particles? Flux particles?
Quote from: sparks on April 23, 2008, 01:58:15 PMFlux particles?
Photons. EM fields have two components - electrical and magnetic. AFAIK what is usually called a "flux" is a vector field of magnetic component.
Photons no. The aether fluid is displaced by the photons.
perhaps particles are an effect not a cause. think about it, seriously.
@arma
Nicely Put
@sparks
Dont take this the wrong way but slow down, none of the particle theory will advance this effort in my mind only a revisited look at rotating magnetic feilds transformers for them as well motor and generator design. Lets deal with this .. in pat 382,280 the last half of the 3rd page and few sentances on the 4th. This decribes differences between reverse currents direct or primary currents and alternating impulse's. This will get us in the mind we have to be in.
joe
@Local Joe
I just want everbody to understand that energy displaces the aether and the Aether has fluid properties. Tesla called it not fluid but "elastic". Energy displaces it. When you examine the patents be sure you note which way the fluid is flowing.
@Armageddon Particles are just models.
Quote from: sparks on April 23, 2008, 02:35:22 PM
Ã, Ã, @Local Joe
Ã, Ã, I just want everbody to understand that energy displaces the aether and the Aether has fluid properties. Tesla called it not fluid but "elastic".Ã, Energy displaces it.Ã, When you examine the patents be sure you note which way the fluid is flowing.
Ã, @ArmageddonÃ, Ã, Particles are just models.Ã,Â
@Sparks
I completly agree but without the means to create the energy your speaking of its non sequitor to talk about, once we have a converter built to spec then observing that phenomon might help us to better the device but as armageddon said and i agree you still need the device working and configured properly to produce those "effects" you speak of .Ã, ;)
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From pat 382,280
Again considering the apparatus illustrated
by Fig. 9 as typical of the invention, it is obvious
that since the attractive effect upon the
disk D is greatest when the disk is in its proper
65 relative position to the poles developed in the
ring Rââ,¬â€that,is to say, when its ends or poles
immediately follow those of the ringââ,¬â€the
speed of the motor for all loads within the
normal working limits of the motor will be
practically constant.
It is clearly apparent that the speed can
never exceed the arbitrary limit as determined
by the generator,. and also that within certain
limits, at least, the speed of the motor will be
independent of the strength of the current.
It will now be more readily seen from the
above description how far the requirements of
a practical system of electrical transmission
of power are realized in my invention. I secure,
first, a uniform speed under all loads
within the normal working limits of the motor
without the use of any auxiliary regulator;
second, synchronism .between the motor
and the generator; third, greater efficiency by
the more direct application of the current, no
commutating devices being required on either
the , motor or the generator; fourth, cheapness
and simplicity of mechanical construction;
fifth, the capability of being very easily managed
or controlled, and, sixth, diminution of
danger from injury to persons and apparatus.
These motors may he run in seriesââ,¬â€multiple
arc or multiple seriesââ,¬â€under conditions
well understood by those skilled in the art.
I am aware that it is not new to produce the
rotations of a motor by intermittently shifting
the poles of one of its elements. This has been
done by passing through independent energizing-
coils on one of the elements the current
from a battery or other source of direct
or continuous currents, reversing ,such current
by suitable mechanical appliances, so that
it is directed through the coils in alternately
opposite directions. In such cases, however,
the potential of the energizing - currents remains
the same; their direction only being
changed. According to my invention, however,
I employ true alternating_ currents; and
my invention consists in the discovery of the
mode or method of utilizing such currents.
The difference between the two plans and
the ad vaittages of mine are obvious. By producing
an alternating current each impulse
of which involves a rise and fall of potential
I reproduce in the motor the exact conditions
of the ,generator, and by such currents and the
consequent production of resultant poles the
progression of the poles will be continuous
and not intermittent. In addition to this,the
practical difficulty of interrupting or reversing
a current of any considerable strength is
such that none of the devices at present could
be made to economically or practically effect
the transmission of power by reversing in the
manner described a continuous or direct current.
In so far, then, as the plan of acting upon
one element of the Motor is concerned, my invention
involves the use of an Alternating as
distinguished from a reversed current, or a current
which, while continuous and direct, is
shifted from coil to coil by any form of commutator,
reverser, or interrupter. With regard
to that part of the invention which consists
in acting upon both elements of the motor
simultaneously, .1 regard the use of either al
ternating or reversed currents as within the
scope of the invention, although I do not con-
Bider the use of reversed currents of any practical importance.
What I claim is
The method herein described of electrically
transmitting power, which consists in producing
a continuously-progressive shifting of the
polarities of either or both elements (the arms- to
tore or field magnet or magnets) of a motor by
developing alternating, currents in independent
circuits, including the magnetizing-coils of
either or both elements, as herein set forth.
NIKOLA. TESL A.
]
PS
Multiple series = series
Multiple arc = parallel
Edit
I think Acer compiled a whole bunch of posts by ERfinder all about Tesla and the tpu.
Quote from: aleks on April 23, 2008, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 23, 2008, 11:39:43 AM
That is the GK4. Each red coil of 29 gauge is a segment and only one layer. It is wrapped additionally with single trace of multistrand lamp cord by each segment also. So 12) 28awg segments ( high inductance) encompassed by 4) lamp wire segments (low inductance).
Why lamp wire?
Do you have pulse plots of 29 gauge wire segment pulse and iron wire core in parallel?
The talk at the time was lamp wire and many paths. Since I didn't see any real results that I could understand at the time I readily went with what I found at radio shack. This was one of SM's remarks. Other posts were talking about 3 and 4 segments. I saw the Telsa patent 390721 transformer then found the 381282. Lo and behold that transformer was all over the place! So I took ahold of Tesla's design and went with it. After all, It works and at the time the Overunity site was vague.
I can switch the lamp wire out for iron. Aleks and Sparks both mentioned it.
--giantkiller
@gk
I swear I have seen speaker wire that has steel one 1/2 copper the other. Bifilar stuff.
@ joe i agree this is a simple device ......
@ all what a ride eh?
just finished the cork screw coil what a pile of work ..... well the winding is done :)
we all learned many things and i am still learning many more....
so yep a simple genny
well for those that are intrested in the cork screw coil it is a 12 n 1 coil ;) paralell 12 control coils 26 ga solid bout 1500 winds each they will be hooked up in 4 channel mode 4 groups of 3 coils inter leaved all wound on about 12 feet of 4 ga audio power supply wire
yep works like a garden hose squeeze pump lol almost ;) ;D
ist
Someone once asked why...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer#Resonant_transformers
QuoteResonant transformers
A resonant transformer uses the inductance of its windings in combination with external capacitors connected in series or parallel with the windings, and/or the capacitance of the windings themselves, to create one or more resonant circuits. For example, it may use the inductance of the primary winding in series with a capacitor. Resonance can aid in achieving a very high voltage across the secondary. Resonant transformers such as the Tesla coil can generate very high voltages, and are able to provide much higher current than electrostatic high-voltage generation machines such as the Van de Graaff generator.[26] Another application of the resonant transformer is to couple between stages of a superheterodyne receiver, where the selectivity of the receiver is provided by tuned transformers in the intermediate-frequency amplifiers.[27]
[edit]
--giantkiller.
@sparks
It was Wattsup that compiled that file, unfortunately it is too large to post now, I am unsure if it can still be found on the forum. Erfinder did reposted much of the information again since, it was mostly about Tesla's ionizer patent... which was Teslas method of disguising OU generation by a use of the oscillations in a modified LRC tank circuit.
A
Hi Acer!
Sorry about the confusion. I got a book that has the actual written words of Tesla that give one a little insight into the man himself not just what he knew.
He was into increasing the "Mass of Humanity". Always the scientist with a heart of gold.
well, gk, have you got something interesting working? ;)
@Sparks
Yes Tesla had an interesting life, I have one of those books also, interesting that he believed he had intercepted radio communications possibly from alien life, but most likely from sources on earth back then... Like Leonardo he could build his machines in his mind first... very cool...
I would recommend his Colorado Springs notes... I wish I was technical enough to be able to understand them, I am sure they are an absolute goldmine.
I hope at the end of this when someone discovers a working device that they can post the instructions for creating a little portable one that could be used to power a small device like a laptop for free, that would be really useful... I know the end goal is larger, just batteries are a pain, and portable power is so useful, just an obsession of mine... I will get there one day...
A
@Acer
You just need to get hold of that company that sells pulse chasers and have them modify the output voltage for 12vdc. They come in models up to 1gigawatt. ;)
Quote from: acerzw on April 26, 2008, 09:16:25 AMI would recommend his Colorado Springs notes...
Here's the book on-line, if anybody's interested: http://www.scribd.com/doc/337910/Nikola-Tesla-Colorado-Springs-Notes
Check out page 45 for a cool mechanical "rapid break" thingy. It's somehow analogous to PWM square wave pulser with low duty-cycle. ;)
GK is a much better engineer than SM ever thought of being. He knows if you are going to send an em pulse that results in a scalar em field you are an idiot to bring it around the ring again. Can anyone say runaway magnetic disruption.
Even the Tesla Howitzer designers knew enough not to bend the barrell into a ring configuration. See below.
Hey GK,
Check this out!
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg222.imageshack.us%2Fimg222%2F6265%2Fp1000687spk3.jpg&hash=46817b884204efdcdbd9d073a98e522055563906)
I'll post the Arduino source code once I clean it up.
@ Fenyman
Looks like you need a coil guy. Did you know you don't need a torroid to get some free energy out of a copper/iron coil configuration?
I did this with Innovation_station last year ;D:
Take a roll of garden (iron or bailing) wire. Hacksaw through 1 side only after containing the would be ends with 2 small cable ties. All tight?
Take 2 white spools of radio shack 28awg wire and stick each one on and past each end of the iron bundles so they are across from each other.
Now take 6 or more ceramic cabinet magnets all together and stick them in between the new ends of the iron horseshoe to complete the loop. Squeeze together hard and ducttape. My favorite part.
Pulse the coils with a nine volt battery with the polarity in form with the north / south magnetic polarity.
Do you know what you have? A Leedskalnin PMH, Perpetual motion holder.
Well how can that be, Mister Wizard?
What we did was swap the material of the horseshoe magnet, which is now the cabinet magnets, and the keeper which is now the ring. We interchanged the shapes. The ring still holds true.
Now replace the copper spools with bifilar steel and copper windings. The steel accepts the magfield and transfers the energy parallel to the copper windings. The Poynting vectors are now coupled correctly. The iron and steel equates to 2 transformers coupled at 90 degrees. The steel and copper equate to 2 parallel transformers. We now have voltage and current out.
PMH in a ring form. The pulses going round and round. The current goes 2 ways. To quote Steven Mark and Edward Leedskalnin.
Tesla stated: "Think about what you are to do thoroughly before you touch it'.
3 types of wire, Iron, steel, copper. Who woulda thunk it?
SM swipes the magnet across the output coil which excites the ring, starts the flux rotating, which excites the output coils. Just put simple blocking oscillator or stun gun circuit after that.
--giantkiller. I will never be the same.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 27, 2008, 10:49:47 AM
--giantkiller. I will never be the same.
Well, bold+size10 font. Do you have something overunity working finally? I like your steel/copper bifilar wound over iron core idea, but does it work? Do you have any pulse plots? (were you astounded by something in the past 2 days? I had some strange feeling hence my question I posted here yesterday)
BTW, here is an idea for your meditation:
West = Square wave.
East = Sine wave.
Russia = ( Square wave + Sine wave ) / 2
gk, thanks for sharing. Indeed Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder (see replica at http://keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm) is an excellent "energy cloud" storage for this OU pulser.
Let this go around the planet for a couple of days. I want all to see what has been talked about on an individual basis in so many builds, posts and arguments.
--giantkiller. RFC.
G.K. Im no EE but that seems like an awful big piece of meat you just put on the table thanks Chet
@ gk do you still have that coil maybe a pic? i may have the pic if it was not destoryed in my loss of computers this is my 7th computer since i started the tpu project....
now that being said ..... do not for 1 second think i was the first to figure a few things out im sure there many that have altho they i would assume they got theres to run.... and it worked ..... might be the reason they aint talking eh?? as i have not.... do to the laque of my electronics experience as well b4 the tpu i knew NOTHING OF COILS!!! OR ELECTRONICS !! if i can manange to figure it out so can all of you
and schooling never helped me out with this i played ..... and shared
ist
you really are a GIANTKILLER!!! [I thought it was just a moniker] Chet PS and ist you did too have something up your sleeve
Quote from: ramset on April 27, 2008, 12:30:27 PM
you really are a GIANTKILLER!!! [I thought it was just a moniker] Chet PS and ist you did too have something up your sleeve
sorry dude i have nothing up my sleeve im still learing the basic electronics i made a bunch of coils yes i ran about 4 or 5 of them by hand and now i am learning how to build a controler type thing to try it out at diffrent freqs im testing my own ideas ..... as i said this is
THE DEVICE OF 1000 STYLES ......IST
@sparks
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreeenergygroup.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F03%2F6_tpu.png&hash=09d6b84d40fa4f1f0c9993929f7976977ca4d0f2)
I guess somebody knows how to make coils and circuits!!!
Quote from: Loner on April 28, 2008, 12:53:50 AM
Now I am getting picky, I know, but, Why the Steel wire? Wouldn't Iron wire
also be applicable here as well?
You should probably try PMH first and make sure it is working by delivering small surges back at any time after it has been energized. After this is working you can replace any element with anything as soon as it continues to work. As a last step (when pulsing is working and seeming OU reproduced) you add an appropriate feedback and the system should be running without external sources. PMH is a great thing - I didn't knew it before GK's mention.
http://www.leedskalnin.com/
I just watched the video's on that site and it makes a lot of sense to me now.
GK's has had a really brilliant idea!!!
Greetings Rene
BTW its already morning here, its going to be an interresting monday!
Quote from: Loner on April 28, 2008, 12:53:50 AM
Now I am getting picky, I know, but, Why the Steel wire? Wouldn't Iron wire
also be applicable here as well? OR am I missing the entire idea of changing
the coil reluctance from the ring reluctance via the different materials?
I am very curious, and was thinking about this while sitting here winding up my
base iron wire coil. (Only have a 1000' spool of uninsulated, must clean, wind,
paint, test, etc. (Should be done by Morning, too cold for fast dry...)
I have SS wire, from HHO work, that I could use, but "Steel" isn't exactly the same,
as you well know. Just hoping to get a little more of this type of input before the
paint dries. ;D
Thanks, and I hope that a coil can be used in place of a Perm. Mag. (Maybe Fine,
basic Magnet wire? Small current for Strong field.) Now I am going to sound like
number 5. "Need Input"
Art.
The steel can see the magnetic field from the iron or magnet at any angle. The steel does not cause resistance but can radiate parallel to the copper. From there the copper conducts the current.
Edward Leedskalnin used a big magnet. Steven Mark used a small magnet. ;D
I need to make an announcement here. This design is not mine. I received the names over the last 2 years. Emery and Steven showed the results. Now you do it.
A non-disclosure agreement can be circumvented by the release of information by an external source, those who are not implicated in said agreement. Then the information is now public domain. ;)
--giantkiller.
Come gather round people wherever you roam and admit that waters aroudn have grown and accept that soon you'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you is worth saving, and you better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone oo these times they are a changing.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 28, 2008, 12:11:51 PMThen the information is now public domain. ;)
Yep, prior art. A photo and schematic could be a stronger prior art. In fact anything published publicly here becomes a prior art - these little bits are archived by websearch engines and most likely by internet archives, this becomes a true public domain thing. If anybody gets a patent based on this public information, they are in potential trouble of patent cancellation in case of any serious future dispute. Real powermongers never post any useful information via internet - 'cause they know the playrules.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 28, 2008, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Loner on April 28, 2008, 12:53:50 AM
Now I am getting picky, I know, but, Why the Steel wire? Wouldn't Iron wire
also be applicable here as well? OR am I missing the entire idea of changing
the coil reluctance from the ring reluctance via the different materials?
I am very curious, and was thinking about this while sitting here winding up my
base iron wire coil. (Only have a 1000' spool of uninsulated, must clean, wind,
paint, test, etc. (Should be done by Morning, too cold for fast dry...)
I have SS wire, from HHO work, that I could use, but "Steel" isn't exactly the same,
as you well know. Just hoping to get a little more of this type of input before the
paint dries. ;D
Thanks, and I hope that a coil can be used in place of a Perm. Mag. (Maybe Fine,
basic Magnet wire? Small current for Strong field.) Now I am going to sound like
number 5. "Need Input"
Art.
The steel can see the magnetic field from the iron or magnet at any angle. The steel does not cause resistance but can radiate parallel to the copper. From there the copper conducts the current.
Edward Leedskalnin used a big magnet. Steven Mark used a small magnet. ;D
I need to make an announcement here. This design is not mine. I received the names over the last 2 years. Emery and Steven showed the results. Now you do it.
A non-disclosure agreement can be circumvented by the release of information by an external source, those who are not implicated in said agreement. Then the information is now public domain. ;)
--giantkiller.
So in the OPTU, the small stacks are then magnets (Rat Shack Variety), some cheap speaker wire, a small torrid for feedback/oscillation and a few capacitors for filtering and oscillation. The OPTU ring thus would be a metal ring for the PMH. Throw in a 9v battery for the kick and voila! I gotta try this out!
Leedskalnin PMH.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item44 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item44)
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Loner on April 28, 2008, 01:25:29 PM
A little historical note: I have previously mentioned "Core" memory, which will hold the spin
for at least 20 Years, and probably forever. This has no magnet in it, but operates exactly
as the PMH.
Make sure they are same things before doing any conclusions. PMH stores energy: even an unconnected amperemeter shows current when placed in the field of PMH (as far as I know there are even such things as EM battery exist based on this principle). Can amperemeter show current near permanent magnet? I doubt it, that's why "core memory" and PMH may be completely different devices.
Leedskalnin: 'Little magnets'
Steven Mark: 'Many paths'
Equals 'Flux lines'
Rotating magnetic fields equals circulating magnet polarities. The currents go in 2 directions in the wire. The fluxes are the paths.
Edward also states that fat copper at the end stage gives volumn or a larger conduit.
--giantkiller. Litz not included
Quote from: Loner on April 29, 2008, 05:20:55 AMThe way to read the core is to charge
it in a known way. If it changes the core, you get the energy pulse out through the sense
wire, without affecting any other core. If it doesn't change, then no signal.
Well, OK, so PMH and "core memory" do look like similar things then.
For your entertainment:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.utah.edu%2Funews%2Fnews_images_2003%2FMay%2Ffeng_1_small.jpg&hash=36a9b8dec6f2301fa7fc1a450f14a7c0ecce898e)
Hi-res: http://web.utah.edu/unews/news_images_2003/May/feng_1.jpg
Silicon atom force microscopy - note a bit of correlation with Keely's "atomic spheres".
(http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/03/jun/orbitals.html)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nanowerk.com%2Fspotlight%2Fid1456_2.jpg&hash=fbd20cf90e0071791df2c81cf79cc4413644a926)
A tip of atomic force microscope - pyramid with an eye on top of it could be a misinterpretation of our predecessors when they've "remote viewed" their future.
(http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=4876.php)
An interesting excerpt from Leedskalnin's "Magnetic base" text:
"When atoms burst in the middle if the Earth, the magnets are running out from the middle, and so cause gravitation by attracting the matter that is in front of them"
Pretty sticky to me as I believe gravity is caused by monopoles (DC acoustic waves) created by inter-atomic "slapping" (or explosions - bursts), then implosion should create anti-gravity. So, probably Leedskalnin knew what he was talking about. While it sounds insane as he talks about "north" and "south" magnets independently of each other, I do also think that they can be created separately, and this is the basis of "pure energy" and overunity.
here is a pic of some of my switching devices ..... so far
ist
In Leedskalnin's "Magnetic current":
"...you can see that the metal is not the real magnet. The real magnet is the substance that is circulating in the metal. ... The earth itself is a great big magnet. In general these North and South Pole individual magnets are circulating in the same way as in the permanent magnet metal. "
So, he probably believes that permanent magnets support their power by Earth's magnetic field, they do not have their own "magnetic field". The structure of permanent magnet allows them to concentrate "flux".
"In earth's South hemisphere the North Pole end of magnet should be longer." He talks that force of permanent magnets' poles differs with Earth location. Fascinating.
From Leedskalnin "Magnetic current", again: "Have in mind that always there are two currents, one current alone cannot run. To run they have to run one against the other."
This closely resembles concept of positive and negative frequencies of complex-number Fourier transform. This is probably why it is possible to have two signals running in two directions - this is what Tesla probably did with some clever schematics that allowed him to variate real and imaginary parts of the current independently.
"Currents can be made in a single wire'. Edward L.
Also:
The test last week with 1 frequency with only 1 segment and 1 layer of the GK4 caused physical problems. There were other strange problems with living things in the house. I will never, repeat never turn that monster on again. It goes to the shelf as a curiosity. Too bad, too. It sure is a cool looking piece of technology. Does this coil produce what we all are looking for? The cost of the guinea pigs is too high to reconfigure and find out. So ends that coil's life. I don't know what frequencies do what and personally dont care. The Shiite hurts. I tried again and so be it, I am done the GK4. And no I am not selling it or putting it on Ebay. I will retain it as a proof of engineering in my archives for any consult with the Internal Revenue Service. Should the occasion arise.
--giantkiller.
Hello GK
i be the first one to tell you to be carefull none of it is worth geting hurt over.
DO WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SAFE !!!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST SPEAR HEADS AROUND HERE. SO BE CAREFULL !!!
GOD BLESS to you and each and every one here working on the TPU OR ANY OTHER ENERGY DEVICE..
wer
@GK
I'll offer this piece of advice:
If the thing has caps on it - short them out for storage. Mine has caps with screw terminals. A small paper clip fits just fine between the terminals.
Sorry about the pets. However, I'm surrounded by farm fields and we have unwelcome pets join us when it gets cold. Maybe I'll fire up again in the fall ;D
hey guys we all remember radio shack changed its name a wile ago right...
welll i was at a liquidators yesterday lol....
what a score i have never seen so many diodes and bridge rectifiers ...
then i found the price ;D ;D ;D
1 dollar for 1000 packages of components AWSOME WHAT CAN I SAY
so im back to get the rest of em
looks like a truck load for 15 bucks ;D
you just never know what you might find ....
ist
Looks like a buncha 1n914's and a few rg 58 coax conectors or pl 258's i think. We used to do that at radio shack with old inventory .. in fact i think i see and old catalog number on those.. Great find IS do they ship or is it an onsite thing.
Great find innovation, that's like Christmas, haha
Current grind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7N73tnuzk
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2008, 03:48:05 PM
Current grind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7N73tnuzk
--giantkiller.
Thanks for sharing. I hope you get it working sooner than later ;)
Hi Gk,
Interresting Video!! Since you showed that picture i have been thinking and reading about it.
I was wondering, if you would have 2 or 3 of those PMH's , and you would pulse them back and forth, would that give some kind of result?
Greetings Rene
Look closely between the pulses.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get47
--giantkiller.
you mean the 2 3 2 patern?
Greetings Rene
Quote from: Spider on May 02, 2008, 05:32:37 PM
you mean the 2 3 2 patern?
Greetings Rene
yep. It is getting a kick start and wants to keep going. The driver / copper coil resonance isn't matched right with the iron mass. Cut and snip, cut and snip, or add more iron segments and patch magnets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ZusnoGG9U
--giantkiller.
a kick start and wants to keep going..
Seems to me a very important property for a tpu....:D
It wouldn't be that simple would it....?
Gr Rene
It is getting easier.
The only design issue that wasn't picked up on from the beginning was the differences of the wires. Everybody simply thought it was all copper.
Check out the resonant rise above the injected pulse.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get48
2 years of copper.
--giantkiller. Not by sight...
You have some damn interesting waveforms !
Indeed..Would that be some kind of RE involved? Or is that to much?
Weird idea pops up...tesla 4 battery switch..replace bats with pmh...very fast circuit.
Its time to sleep now, thank you for your time.
Greetings Rene
Instead of trying to generate a magnetic field, we supply that with magnets then push the flowing field around a bit more excited.
As simple as Leedskalnin himself.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get49
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get50
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get51
Looks like an analog computer used in the lmd/tem.
--giantkiller.
hey GK
remember that line mannix used sooooo long ago lol
it is like a anlog computer trying to resolve pie lol i still laugh at that ....
do you think he ment it literly? lol
hey i was at a diffrent electronics shop yesterday found the big reeds lol
also they have this really kool univirsel video anyilizer it was a great buy i almost bought it .....
here is a link of a unit just like it http://cgi.ebay.com/Sencore-Universal-Video-Analyzer-VA62_W0QQitemZ280222988615QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1504QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
it seams to me like a perfect freq genny power supply test and mesurement tool just for coils
any comments ?? thanks
ist
Hi Giantkiller:
What is the time and voltage divisions on your scope shots?
My eyes are getting kind of fuzzy.
This is some very good work.
Thanks and take care.
nap
Goodmorning all,
LOL an analog computer, calculating its own circumference.....
@GK,
What effect does removing the magnets have? I am curious...
Last vid on YT is very nice too.
greetings Rene
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
Instead of trying to generate a magnetic field, we supply that with magnets then push the flowing field around a bit more excited.
As simple as Leedskalnin himself.
Well, from your plots it seems that you are pulsing too frequently - I have a feeling that oscillation starts to build-up and then you stop it by injecting another pulse. Maybe try to lower the pulse frequency and reduce duty cycle a lot?
It's also interesting to know whether or not your "pulse" circuitry is disconnected when oscillations start after pulse goes "off". I mean, hope it is not some kind of complex feedback between PMH and pulse driver.
Another thing worth knowing is min-max voltage values of your plots.
i still have herd 0 talk of the engery that is constantly in motion traped inside the iron or copper..... can u speed it up with a pluse ?? oh right first you must have it in there and be able to mesure it b4 you can control it right!!!
so how can we get osc voltage i personally had an osc voltage form 0 -300 vdc b4 from a single pluse ;) like i said it is traped!!!!!!!!
ist
here is a pic of my last build it is GK'S PMH RING modded by me ;D
I am thinking it might need to be pulsed more frequently rather than less. multiple shots in quick succession as SM's analogy goes.
@GK,
Have you tried to inject a sine wave instead of a Sq wave?
Indeed interesting wave forms!
@IST,
Trapped flux, i like that....
Could it be possible to make a little one way flux valve in the path, and transfer it to another iron loop?
Greetings Rene
;D
anything is posiable
ist cork screw coil
here is a pic sorry they are so big .... im working on that the pics that is ....
almost finished this coil
ist
Quote from: aleks on May 03, 2008, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
Instead of trying to generate a magnetic field, we supply that with magnets then push the flowing field around a bit more excited.
As simple as Leedskalnin himself.
Well, from your plots it seems that you are pulsing too frequently - I have a feeling that oscillation starts to build-up and then you stop it by injecting another pulse. Maybe try to lower the pulse frequency and reduce duty cycle a lot?
It's also interesting to know whether or not your "pulse" circuitry is disconnected when oscillations start after pulse goes "off". I mean, hope it is not some kind of complex feedback between PMH and pulse driver.
Another thing worth knowing is min-max voltage values of your plots.
Yes. I need to find a lower harmonic. I have no resistors in place and the fet is low side to the coil. I have blown 3 fets while sweeping. Gotta back up and go lower while using resistors. The video settings are 10us and 5v. But remember this scope took a hit last week and the accuracy could be in question. Channel 2 still works. I also crippled a meter.
And yes, you're right. I need to see how far apart I can get the pulses to see how long or far the oscillations can sustain. It does still look like short pulse width.
I am also going to make 2 more bifilar add-ons. They take a half an hour each and definately produce.
As far as the magnets in or out goes. There is no change in operation either way. This test has 2 coils on one side. I am going to split the placement and wire combinations that way. I can definately say this: the coil has to be pulsed in the 'natural way' the way the flux goes or in parallel.
As far as seeing anything magnetic. Ed said our tools only work one way on the positive side. I have a sensor like JLNaudin has for his LMD/TEM tests and can use that. But Ed and Emery simply broke the keeper away to redirect the energy into an alternate path of the light bulb.
What I did in this current setup was to get something up to play with what others had done in a matter of ways. And others here had made suggestions that are noteworthy that now can be implemented. ;)
I have come to the conclusion that I want my output to be of high ouput and not inject high input. Saves hardware. And probably the neighbors dogs aren't spazzing uncontrollably all through their owners house. :o
--giantkiller.
hi
@giant
i like to say about this you pulses if you put pulses in there you get more harmonics <<that is not good >>for if you whant to get properly moving elktromagnet fild in one direction if you put no harmonics there you can get more real moving elktromagnet fild in the one direction <THE PULSES HAS 1000 OF MAYBE MORE HARMONICS IN EVERY SINGLE LET SAY ONE PULSE >>>NOT GOOD THAT
find anther thing where is not have harmonics and then you can get one way moving rotation elktromagnet fild
i have long time has experiment whit pulsee and i can get nothing <<but >>i have anther experiments whit not pulses
some explane
"""""" the pulse is not FREKFENCY is like you have one dc v and you cut him that is not frekfency that is only dc nothing <<put something athere thing like real frekfency
;) ;) ;)
i liked the black wire cover i used so much the last time on the cork screw i decided to use it on my next build....
well here is a pic of my core it is 4 " steel pipe thin wall looks like exaust pipe for a bus....
i was thinking romex round 12' as primary collector i know i got a drill round here some where ...
ist
added wound pic 12' 14ga romex
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on May 04, 2008, 08:40:29 AM
hi
@giant
i like to say about this you pulses if you put pulses in there you get more harmonics <<that is not good >>for if you whant to get properly moving elktromagnet fild in one direction if you put no harmonics there you can get more real moving elktromagnet fild in the one direction <THE PULSES HAS 1000 OF MAYBE MORE HARMONICS IN EVERY SINGLE LET SAY ONE PULSE >>>NOT GOOD THAT
find anther thing where is not have harmonics and then you can get one way moving rotation elktromagnet fild
i have long time has experiment whit pulsee and i can get nothing <<but >>i have anther experiments whit not pulses
some explane
"""""" the pulse is not FREKFENCY is like you have one dc v and you cut him that is not frekfency that is only dc nothing <<put something athere thing like real frekfency
;) ;) ;)
Yes Sir. I am understanding what you say here. Tapping the coil leads with a battery is what I will try and see how far the potential expresses. I am going setup my other heterodyning controller also.
I am adding more iron segments and magnet blocks also.
@IS,
be careful adding more copper.
--giantkiller.
GK,
so the GK4 is dead?
does that mean this is the end of this thread?
too bad, i have been following this thread for quite some time.
i do not, however, want anyone to hurt themselves, or their neighbors dogs.
since we will never know the full capacity of this thing; could you at least post some details of what exactly happened when you turned it on?
good luck on your next project,
i will be following along in the background.
LC
So I did this first step. And it works. Obviously. I say that because of the effects I posted through out 3 threads.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf
Then the device will be connected farther out in the chain of other devices. As in:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf
After seeing how the movie 'Contact' during the visit to NRAO http://www.nrao.edu/ (http://www.nrao.edu/) and how the pages were folded together to produce a 3d map. I questioned the transformer design and backtracked to the previous patent. Call it whacked but that is how things unfolded in my world. And guess what? I have something that works based upon Tesla's design. How could I fail? I just followed instructions, counted lines in the drawings, read the detail in the patent. Viola! It simply works. Nothing was ever stated how safe the operation is. Pull up any of his patents and make the device contained therein. You'll make money or trouble.
I think Tesla fried himself on numerous occassions. This might account for some of his quirky attributes.
This is the only arena where Done does not mean Finished. It is just another four letter word.
I am accumulating devices to add as stages to a bigger device. It is work.
--giantkiller. This thread is not dead because I still live.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 05, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
I think Tesla fried himself on numerous occasions. This might account for some of his quirky attributes.
@ GK - I don't know why this cracked me up so much this morning, but I've been giggling since I read it. Tesla
had to have fried the hell out of himself lots of times. Just picturing this is entertaining (yes, I know I'm weird - I live in Austin). All of us TPU guys may end up feeding pigeons if we don't mind the safety protocols!
You are right - build the patent as shown, drive it correctly, and it will work. My half-replication showed this, and I'm itching to build it properly. Kudos to you, sir.
Far from dead. acctually going strong in an expanded direction. ;D
GK do you have a link to any mag wire distributers or online motor wind shops... the lengths of the rat shack rolls doesent really cut it.
joe
@LJ,
I use rat shack, exclusively. Why? Keeps it a bit subdued and safe. Ha, So I thought.
If you don't have to rewind the wire just string a bunch together. You can get to the inside wire end. And just take the garden wire, cut one part like IS did and straighten it out. Cable tie them together. That gives 10" iron rod for $5.00. Shove that down the coil stack. Try 2 coils at first. Wrap romex around the iron rod. You can try the spread the extended wires out to a 45 degree angle. and then wrap the romex single strand around that keeping the angle. That should get you close to effects. Or stack 4 coils and wrap single strand romex around 2 of the coils. The ratio and mass just needs calculations for your specifics.
I know you see the configuration. Alter the mass with more copper or more windings way beyond the 75:25 ratio on either side. This ratio far exceeds what is normally done in standard appliances. Except for ignition coils or flybacks. ;)
I have the additional 2 sections of magnets and iron bars made and hooked in. Tonight I drive this baby off the planet or liitle beyond normal. The last 2 driver and sense coils got results. Now I have 4, like sparks suggested. And I will test out what Mac CD suggested.
This PMH is build like a Lego set. I'll post pictures later.
--giantkiller. The fun starts in the patent office and ends up in your life.
@Gk
Thanks bud will do :)
Also MacCD always has great ideas hes been pushing somethign similar to what were working with here for the past 6 mothns folks just dont understand his english taht well..I have no problem desphiering it because i had a few employees that were from inida and wrote real broken english when they left me notes on my desk. After dealing with those two, reading his posts were pretty easy. I just wanted to give him a shout for all his good work and sticking with it with such communication diffuclties i know how hard it is with a language barrier, keep truckin on bud.
Joe
Side funny note- I go to albany ny regularly to visit my GF. When i got done with a stressfull parallel park outside her house there were two broken tvs on the curb. I was like jack pot!!! Some crazy city fool must have toseed em out a second story window pissed, they were 37 inch sony's or somewhere close to that. I said hey the hard work is done , both chassies were completly split apart. So without feeling like a trash picker too much i proceded to unclip the flyback suction cups and rip the transfromers out with the the boards. Got two Real nice flybacks, a few nice realy's and a buncha caps and shit... i deced not to touch the yolke or the tube for fear that the caps still had charge in them but it was a great ground score.
hi @g.k
just duit dis clean and you see the diferent whit you experiments
@ locjoe
yes you have raid for but what i can do i dont have good english my macedonian languege is very and exselent :D :D :D ;) :D ;) :D
JUST MAKE THAT <<T.P.U IS GOING TO LONG TIME I HVE SHOW YOU HERE MY CLIP WHIT SMALL SIMPLE MAGNETS YOU SEE WHAT THIS MAG CAN DO SEE AND THING
way <<s.m >>put mag to start this divice
know i whill send here anther video to show you all here waht i whill make whit 2 magnets <<yes my divece has in energy BUT VERY VERY SMALL ENERGY YES IN THE OUT HAS 100 AND MORE OUT ENERGY
yes s. m has batery there but very small but whit his small batery s. m produced 1000 watt
only whit 3 volt pc batery his divice is not <,free energy but give more 10000 more time then input energy
WAIT FOR MY VIDEO CLIP SOON
@Mac CD,
Tonight I will. I have the 4 bifilar coils on the iron bars. All 1 layer. Like Sparks had suggested. I will monostable pulse the coils all in series first. Ed.L. said 'Just tap the battery to the terminals to start the rotation'.
--giantkiller.
@gk
Timing is everything! ;) Tesla's dynamic transformer is cool. I like his device for wireless power transmission which he developed later on in his career. I don't believe he used any steel in this invention. He just pulsed a two turn winding around a pancake secondary winding. As the magnetic field displacement from the primary kick traveled inward, it cut across the secondary coil which produced a stronger and stronger "magnetic disruption" as each turn of the secondary copper winding chased the original kick plus the kick produced by the turns outside of it. By the time you get down to the inner turns the copper there was seeing a pretty hefty change in the ambient magnetic field.
No rotating magnetic field, just a compressive magnetic field where he happened to put some copper mass to convert some of it's mass natural resonance into "translatory" energy.
HI
AGAIN @ GK i like to point direction of this
find how you can make this you put lets say 2 hz and make of that 6000 cicluse that is the ansfer
is not mather to put khz or biger frek is point how you can make more kick only whit very small in hz not push bider hz <,i have put small hz ther and i have more out kick in my out coil <<like you have transformator you put 60 hz to the prymar coil and you have 6000 hz in the secondary coil that is that you going in that way whit small in frek.. max to 100 hz not more then this
@Sparks, @Mac CD,
I understand both of you. The steel with the copper coil makes it look like a transformer. And beauty of it is they can be pulled off and replaced just a coil of copper windings. I think there are multiple factors that can be affected here.
I will try all. This should be fun.
Plug and pulse...
--giantkiller.
Lots of ways to excite copper and steel and iron at different times to move a dead old magnetic field around very very quickly. You be careful GK. Not much copper at first. Copper mass (or gold or silver) is the fuel tank. You might want to get a pidgeon for a pet. They can feel the magnetic field changing long before shit goes boom. ::)
@ sparks - Perhaps you've hit on why Tesla loved the pigeons so much...
Quote from: giantkiller on May 05, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
@Sparks, @Mac CD,
I understand both of you. The steel with the copper coil makes it look like a transformer. And beauty of it is they can be pulled off and replaced just a coil of copper windings. I think there are multiple factors that can be affected here.
I will try all. This should be fun.
Plug and pulse...
--giantkiller.
MacCD suggested that pulsing frequency should be low (100Hz). The oscillation you've achieved will then continue to ring at a much higher frequency. Seems like what Steven Mark have got. According to sound spectrum plots discussed on 'Jack Durban' thread, there is some 100 Hz squarewave signal present with a lot of higher frequencies (1.1,2.2,3.3,4.4 kHz).
@ aleks - I've been thinking the same thing - that the pulse frequencies must be fairly low. Reason being that at least some of the output has to be at fairly low frequency. Why do I think this? SM always used a digital meter in the videos. DVMs (in my limited experience) don't like higher frequencies, but his unit displays steady voltage readings. My analog meter has trouble with the frequencies I've been playing with and the scope is needed to see what's going on. I've been pulsing my builds too fast, I think. Does this resonate with any one else?
So I expanded my device:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get54
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get55
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get56
I pulsed the copper at 32hz. It hums. I get sharp narrow spikes at leading and trailing edges.
I'll save the long description tho,
I get no ringing, I did get a run away situation where the coil starts to taken a charge, ramps up, the scope screen fills with waveform, then the fet blows. I have 26 more to go.
Naturally when the middle sections are added the hum gets more pronounced. But no sustained ringing after the pulse like I had before when reading the steel sense coil. I even serially connected all the copper coils around the ring and then feeding that into the steel connected coil loop. That was a reading of 25ma. Humming and not great waveform. At 75ma is when the waveform starts to happen. Above that the fet gets hot and goes into runaway. But the ramping starts and off it goes into greater conduction. It was late. I will have to dig in deeper with other combinations.
I will go back to 132khz just for grins with the middle sections added.
--giantkiller. Hope this was clear...
So did you do a little victory dance this mornign when you realized you got the runaway condition...... ;D I sure would have
Quote from: Localjoe on May 06, 2008, 03:44:14 PM
So did you do a little victory dance this mornign when you realized you got the runaway condition...... ;D I sure would have
Yes I did!. But I share the office with my wife, who was in there at the time. And when the smoke curl climbed from the fet into the air and the protoboard melted, well, I was asked if I needed a fire extinguisher. Oops!
The signal started out small then thump, thuMP, THUMP. I sat there in amazement as the electonic circuit rose into the air in a puff of smoke.
That was great but now I need to reproduce it.
If I was using tubes I guess the tests wouldn't be so unforgiving. ;D
I'll do it again. 8) With this setup It seems to be related to current draw at this stage.
--giantkiller.
AMAZING!!!!
Videooooooooo!!!
Gr. Rene
Quote from: Spider on May 06, 2008, 04:43:29 PM
AMAZING!!!!
Videooooooooo!!!
Gr. Rene
Well we all know the parallel background in the OMG moment. The increasing high speed progression into the greater than before event step.
And before you know it, it's over. Wow. I don't know if I broke anything or it was an anomoly. And I sure didn't want to start any parade or fanfare till I perform this test again. It was late and I am a little burned out. But not giving up. The absolute baseline is the iron wire bars, the magnet blocks, the bifilar copper / steel, the pulsing in the natural way or with the flux flow. This setup anybody can do. There is no magic or turn here.
In addition to the next attempt I am going to try with a 100ohm resistor inline with the coil to see if I can slow this ramp up down a little bit. I am not here to play 'Pop goes the weasel' with FETs. :D
But I can honestly say this
'The ramp up comes from the saturation process of the iron wire' in this case. I can guarantee that is a major part of the hidden truth we have been looking for. You can see it on the scope and hear it jackin' in the PC speakers. Especially when the wife turns around from her squealing PC and asks 'Is that you? I have never heard that before!' 'Oops'. I replied. 'Yes, dear...'
It just starts bouncing and bouncing and bouncing. This happened at 32hz.
I will get back at it and do it again. But I repeat:
This bouncing into some kind of resonancy is something I have noticed many times with this PMH configuration over the last couple of days. This was the easiest coil yet to build. The driver and sense coils are both 40 feet of wire in parallel. Not happy with that? Just pull the collector apart and slip a new coil on. One caveat: You must use the 4" cable ties that lay flay when buckled else the rat shack spools don't slip over them or you can buckle the iron wires in their center and the hold the bundle ends together when you slip on another spool. 8)
--giantkiller. I am happy so far with this.
p.s. Let me reiterate. You can see this bouncing on the timeline axis of the scope. I repeat: You can watch it happen.
@Gk
Much excitement. I think in your next mod you should try this- the trick to the tesla transformer was "even" diametric coils. If your gonna stick wtih the bifilar i would reccomend trying to cover all the green garden wire proportionally in quadrants or sections of even length. He kept repeating that they had to be equal in all ways so as to preserve the dynamo magnetic induction. I think thats what he called it. As well im going to the hardware store tomorrow for the parts but i was thinking had you tried superimposing the steel wire on top of the coper wich is on top of the iron garden wire.
Im wondering what the difference between the bifilar controls you have wrapped on the spools vs covering the quadrants equally with the steel superimposed on top of the quadrant windings in accordance and connected in a series diametric fashion like the patents show.. Also did you say that you hooked up your copper coils diametriclly or in series around the loop? I know taht would make a big difference. Awsome progress again man.
Joe
@LJ,
I saw all the parts and just slammed them together with minimal simitry. I wonder if steel collars would work? Are we taslking inductive sensing or containment? The ED PMH has 90degree turns! So I could use straight pieces with copper windings and the steel collars / pipe slipped over all that.
@all,
This deals with overconduction and it dawned on me to use sensefets to not only conduct for drive but to read the sense line and use that for limiting. It then dawned on me that the thumping in SMs units are the on then off condition using bias control.
I used the sensefet technology back in '93 when enhancing the Otto Bock hand for amputees. There was no variable speed or variable grip so the units acted robotic instead of smooth life like motion. I used a Motorola H-bridge motor controller with current sensing. It is intended for industrial driving. I stuck it on a 5v motor. The operation was sweet. The operator could pick up raw eggs, grapes, potato chips. This had not been done before. All done on a kitchen table...
Well this technology worked before so I think I will apply it again. 8)
http://www.datasheet4u.com/html/M/T/P/MTP10N10M_MotorolaSemiconductor.pdf.html Just grab the datasheet.
With the erractic operation I have in this unit under the right bias control I bet I can get it functioning better. Gaps in the waveform represent power loss.
But I should add... It looked like the current was coming from the battery. The power expression and extraction is another step.
--giantkiller.
QuoteAnd when the smoke curl climbed from the fet into the air and the protoboard melted, well, I was asked if I needed a fire extinguisher.
Haha, fantastic. That's quote of the week.
What driver circuits are you using for the 32hz frequency? I mean the oscillators rather than MOSFETs. I take it these are not the Linear Technology chips...
Hello, GK.
Sorry my question if already answered (my search return no results).
First, I am wondering what type of magnets do you use (neodym, ferrite)?
Second, In which point you have connected the load.
Thank you!
hi
gk @ you are rong everthing THING you see my video again how is posible you to make whit mafnet to increase the v and a ;) :D ;) ;) ;) ;)
HI ALTIUM I WAIT NG YOU ;)
@GK
I gotta name to advance for you new design. Pingpong tpu. T is not for torroid but terrestrial. ;D
I just did an experiment again to verify the catalytic properties of a kick. I wrapped some copper magnet wire around a fluorescent bulb and put it to the output of a 4watt cb radio. Then I pulsed the heater filament with 12volt while keying the mike with a rubber band. The 40watt bulb lit not totally but at least 25percent. If I talked into the mike you could see it on the bulb output.
You could also hear me speaking on my son's guitar amplifier upstairs (which was immediatelly reported with a degree of outrage) and my crystal radio receiver buzzed like a bumble bee. I imagine any cb radio user on channel 16 could hear me and the bulb also. Just 4watts making a billion trillion molecules jump around.
You can spin the aether, slap it, blow a smoke ring through it, compress it,
Energy will displace it. To get free energy though you are going to have to move the aether about a form of matter that will convert some of it's mass into energy then allow the ambient electro-magnetic field to restore the mass of the matter.
@Feynman,
I used a 555 to irf840. The idea was to get this test up and running.
@Mac CD,
I scrounged up stuff laying around to reproduce the Leedskalnin PMH.
I got results. When the iron saturates the current draw goes higher than 10amps. This happens within 3 seconds. This ramp up period seems to coincide with the time SM waits.
I tried to get your video but there were download problems.
@altium,
Cabinet magnets. Just like SM showed. I have 200 of them from the David Hamel experiments of the 3 layer steel drum project.
The coil is connected between ground and the fet which is connected to positive.
--giantkiller. Pretty simple here.
@GK
Saw an interesting show on how pms are made. They arrange the molecular lattice of the elements by running a dc voltage through the molten metal while it cools. Then just before they ship them out the door they fill them up with aether particles. (put them on a huge electro-magnet and pump in the shit) The aether particles then form a wind through the lattice of the mass totally dependent on the energy dispersion within the moleuclar structure of the metal. PMS don't have anymore potential energy stored in them than the mass stored in the atoms of the metals themselves. Leedskalin was right there are a number of types of magnetic flow. Acutally an infinite #of ways the aether can flow. The only thing you can bank on is that it will flow just like a liquid always trying to keep things the same while energy tries to change everything.
Thanks guys!
I just had a thought aneurysm.
I am driving the fet in resonance with a 555 and no pull down resistor. The gate is 1 1/2 feet away from the coil. The saturation? I assume the field builds up across the desk and shakes the gate into oscillation. This is the only thing I can attribute the distance to time to field strength.
Upto this time I only turned the setup on and with my hand on the power switch, watch and wait. The pumping starts the amp meter starts to climb and rockets past 10amps. Poof!
I will shorten the distance between the coil and the fet and try again. I will even put the fet in the center. Now there is a novel idea and new too, eh?
I mentioned the speakers across the room squeal so why not this?
The reason I mentioned current sensing is to gain a little 'ON' time with the circuit. Adequate to really dig in to see if this is what SM has or is it a partial solution or not in ground zero at all.
But the mag field still flies a great distance.
I saw the pumping going on and really want to interogate it. Could it be a simple magnetic feedback loop? If so then the question still remains 'Where does the extra energy come from?' That is the final and unsolved part of this riddle.
--giantkiller. Wouldn't this be a hoot?
@gk
The energy will be coming from something that is getting cold. Remember the cloud that accompanies the ark. I speculate it was condensation. Hutchinson's spark box has the same cloud. Earth has this nice energy wrap around aether particles. Dielectric properties of the Schumann cavity gives one an idea as to this energy field structuring.
nice work GK
a simple magnetic feed back loop hummm ... lol where does the free power come from hummm... i can think of a few places what about self induction.. the kick ... speed .. CONVERSION a diffrence in potencial ... the translating device or how about the ionisphear even better the sun NO??
IST ;)
h2o2hho :) = conversion ;D
@IS
I am trying to get a hold of the #of electrons the Earth has spinning all in the same direction. This would represent a pretty fair amount of current something like a godzillion amperes. Low and behold a massive magnetic field deformation extending 15earth radi out in all directions. Just above the ionosphere. The real surface of the Earth.
hello guys and joe
a wile ago i was useing a relay joe you will remember .... it had green and blue sparks on my relay you told me i was melting copper i was just fascinated with the colour of the sparks .... btw the relay melted in a short time .... i was useing 12vdc 1000ma power supply hummmm...
where did the power come form to melt the relay ??
so sparks
is the amparage there yes it is how do u use it ? im guessing at this now i would think you would redirrect it so as it will not melt the relay no? maybe a diode the amparage returned was far more than what was injected to the unit how do i know?? well in the input i did not melt my relay lol it was on the return where the relay was not rated to handle the higher amparage ....
in that test this is how i see it
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on May 08, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
hello guys and joe
a wile ago i was useing a relay joe you will remember .... it had green and blue sparks on my relay you told me i was melting copper i was just fascinated with the colour of the sparks .... btw the relay melted in a short time .... i was useing 12vdc 1000ma power supply hummmm...
where did the power come form to melt the relay ??
so sparks
is the amparage there yes it is how do u use it ? im guessing at this now i would think you would redirrect it so as it will not melt the relay no? maybe a diode the amparage returned was far more than what was injected to the unit how do i know?? well in the input i did not melt my relay lol it was on the return where the relay was not rated to handle the higher amparage ....
in that test this is how i see it
ist
Hey bud,
Im assuming the 1 amp psu was a bit much most of my relays have a 75 ma nominal coil current and the min load is rated at 100 ma and 5vdc
So i want to say that the psu was a bit much. Could be wrong tho. ;)
Joe
The diode is made by the outside iron wrapping! Leedskalnin and Tesla 382,282. The sneaky part? The outside iron wrap is not in the pictures! So the 4 tesla coils operate within a magnetic channel. The magnetism controls the direction of the power down the copper conduit. Iron shield inside and iron shield outside.
The GK4 is dead with respect to its present operation. I will cover it with a layer of iron wire and will contain the radially emmissions down the collector, the coarse copper wire as secondary! I don't have to dismantle it but make additions to it.
A magnetically contained tesla coil. Damn, who would have thunk it. And one frequency. Sine waves too. Tesla and Leedskalnin.
--giantkiller. More soft iron wire!
@GK
Cool... I am still around, watching with interest...
A
Hey GK,
A little side-experiment.
My car is running on liquid propane, and I had to fit a shutoff relais for MOT.
The relais is there to shut of the gasflow when the engine is stopped by a crash.
It is triggered by a simple wire wound 8 turn around the spark lead from the ignition coil, with no connection to ground.
This afternoon I was curious, because my investigations with tpus how much voltage that wire would give. So I shorted the relais, started my car and messured the voltage with my Digi meter.....more than 200 VAC ...VDC could not messure.....And it destroyed my meter BTW..... :(
How is that for feedback from a spark....
Now I see what you mean by 4 tesla coils...might work..
Greetings Rene
I am around too, waiting with interrest!
Besides the currents generated in the secondary coils by dynamo-magnetic induction, other currents will setup in the same coils in consequence of any variations in the intensity of the poles in the ring A, the iron core.
When this is done, the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same results being obtained as though the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments. Whoa! :o
--giantkiller. Onward, gentlemen and ladies. ;)
Quote from: Spider on May 08, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
Hey GK,
A little side-experiment.
My car is running on liquid propane, and I had to fit a shutoff relais for MOT.
The relais is there to shut of the gasflow when the engine is stopped by a crash.
It is triggered by a simple wire wound 8 turn around the spark lead from the ignition coil, with no connection to ground.
This afternoon I was curious, because my investigations with tpus how much voltage that wire would give. So I shorted the relais, started my car and messured the voltage with my Digi meter.....more than 200 VAC ...VDC could not messure.....And it destroyed my meter BTW..... :(
How is that for feedback from a spark....
Now I see what you mean by 4 tesla coils...might work..
Greetings Rene
I am around too, waiting with interrest!
Well if 8 turns does that then by no means increase the turns or gauge! I mentioned doing this last year and can't believe somebody would do it. LOL. Good job! I should have mentioned before 'Do not do this at home!'. Well you can just drive down the road a little ways.
Let's see: Stun guns, flybacks, ignition coils all blow up electronics and they all have the same thing in common.
--giantkiller. Tonight I wind the outer layer of soft iron wire onto GK4. Baby gets new shoes. I might call this by a new name, i.e. NT382282 :D
@gk
That device is basically a choke but instead of the kick permeating an air core or ferrite bead it's magnetic disruption permeates a special transformer winding. Same frequency same current 20,000
gain in voltage. See below. Lots of good things can happen by moving the magnetic field with kick displacement energy. I don't know if any iron is needed to get the kick moving the magnetic field inward across the pancake secondary. ???
well my new toys just arrived just got back form picking up my big reeds got 10 of em ;D
also when i was down in the city i ordered a new tool ;D it is a simple small multi meter that hooks into your pc it does almost it all lol
but the best thing it does is inductance :P
it will read freq up to 10 meg too i get her next week
ist
Quote from: sparks on May 08, 2008, 07:16:36 PM
@gk
That device is basically a choke but instead of the kick permeating an air core or ferrite bead it's magnetic disruption permeates a special transformer winding. Same frequency same current 20,000
gain in voltage. See below. Lots of good things can happen by moving the magnetic field with kick displacement energy. I don't know if any iron is needed to get the kick moving the magnetic field inward across the pancake secondary. ???
Yep. Another way to get a magnetically contained and compressing shockwave.
I have seen, heard, read about, and quoted to us, this squeezing. I have 3 of those pancakes and they do things. That was 18 months ago. Leedskalnin has quite an explanation about the flux too. The course I am on now is to make the NT382282 exactly. Telsa and Leedskalnin both mention the iron casing. I goto follow this path now. Telsa also showed the NT382282 in numerous patents. Call me a 'Magnetic pitbull'. I saw what happend with the GK4 rendition of the NT382282 minus the iron casing. This should up the ante. Leedskalnin and Tesla specifically mentioned covering the coils with soft iron. Soft iron is easily permiated by the electro-magnetic waves and holds the flux while maintaining the North South alignment, quote Ed.L.
I start tomorrow with coil kit in hand and crank one out. Any cost in money or time for a single inkling of progress. Because that is the fuel for the next step.
horizontal iron wire core inside of 28gauge coil inside of lamp wire inside of vertical iron wire coil. The 2 iron coils alter the vector through the magnetic field.
--giantkiller.
Back to the future's flux capacitor just a plain old iron winding. Iron is one smart element. It remembers which way the aether went through it last.
The iron winding addition on the outside for some reason makes me think that your nte is starting to look like a big piece of coax. :)
@GK,
Thanks for your reply.
I did some online research and I found that a sparklead with a wire wound that way makes a very, very crude copy of the EV Gray power conversion tube.
If you look at pictures of the OTPU and the FTPU, same fashion of winding can be observed....
Maybe this has been discussed before, I dont know. Just observing and connecting....
Greetings Rene
I believe the symmetry holds the secret to the power control. Telsa was a perfectionist.
He mentions iron laminates. This would maintain the vertical stability of the horizontal rings. Using the iron wire in the horizontal ring would allow the vertical wrapping to collapse the horizontal and vertical winds resulting in a dissimmetry. I am heading down the path of maintaing the sharp edges like in the previous ECD design.
The notched PVC design of Marco showed this symmetry could be kept.
--giantkiller.
I got real excited when i made this appifiny. Take a pinwheel or somethign that is slender that you can spin even a pencil with a small fruit stuck on it. hold it so the weight is pulling downward and spin the pencil with "Both Hands" One naturally puts there fingers at diametrical oposite positions while spinning it my right hands fingers sit higher than my left on the shaft. and they move in a series fashion one hand then the next as well its funny that naturally your 4 fingers usually occupy all 4 quadrants around the pencil. I hope this doesnt sound crazy i just said hey.. quadrature in nature cool.
Joe
Hi, GK. Not trying to steal your thunder by posting in this thread.
@ All - I finally completed my little Web pages with photos of my builds and information about them. This link http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU (http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU) has all of my stuff. I will be adding to it as things develop, and will post in the forum when something new is added.
Anyone who needs a place to upload extra photos or other material (not videos) can write me directly for access @ RSteward *at* texxa.net. You can link to files directly, or put HTML there like I did. I'm offering this free of charge to any OverUnity.com member who is actively building or doing other related research and is actively posting in the forum.
@Buzzard
Coil looks great. The pulsed iron wire should give the magnetic field a little direction. ;) Just like a torroidal magnet in a speaker tells the coil which way is which.
Edit
GK and Local Joe are busy duplicating some of the work of the real master of magnetics,Tesla.
This is a great move since Tesla received patents for his work which are archived in the US patent office.
These guys did a bunch of work researching this disclosed device because Tesla revealed only enough of his work to get a patent and this was done over 3 patents. My hats off to these guys.
Quote from: buzz-ard on May 10, 2008, 02:37:25 PM
Hi, GK. Not trying to steal your thunder by posting in this thread.
@ All - I finally completed my little Web pages with photos of my builds and information about them. This link http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU (http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU) has all of my stuff. I will be adding to it as things develop, and will post in the forum when something new is added.
Anyone who needs a place to upload extra photos or other material (not videos) can write me directly for access @ RSteward *at* texxa.net. You can link to files directly, or put HTML there like I did. I'm offering this free of charge to any OverUnity.com member who is actively building or doing other related research and is actively posting in the forum.
No problem. Thunder is free and that comes after lightning which also free. :D
I'll check it out.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Loner on May 11, 2008, 05:56:50 PM
GK
Just wondering, do you think that, instead of iron, a seperate coil of wire with a small
DC current would work. Even Tesla, in the later patents, removed the iron from the
coils, but it wasn't really specified as to "Why". (Magnifying Amp, etc.)
I was going to try that and see what hapens, but would love some input from you seeing
that you have done the most work with iron in the coils. (That I have seen so far, that is.)
Thanks
Art.
http://www.teslapress.com/catalog.html
I am kind of stuck right now on the next iron build. I want to build the 382282 but am trying to keep the iron wires layed symmetrically. The magnifying amp shows another way to twist the vectors or couple up the output. I don't want to spew over excessive energies into the environment. Although the mag amp could be a tpu arrarngement if it was folded in on itself. I just hope the tpus aren't just receivers relying on an external transmitter.
The NT382282 transformer is what i see.that holds promise on the consumer level. Every time I build a coil I am capitolizing on previous results or a subset. So I press on. I am working on a technique now to wind the 2 iron coils horizontally and vertically and maintain the square symmetry crosswise vertically just like the 382282. I want to get just right.
I am haunted by the notched PVC coil design. There is so much information in it. Glad I made it.
Tesla also made the migration to iron laminates to maintain the vertical design and speed up the winding process.
Test equipment status from the previous tests:
Meter is flipped out. Bought 3 more from harbour freight for $3.00 ea.
Owon scope has a fried channel. They told me Meterworld is not an authorized dealer. Owon is sending me a new board under their 3 year warranty. Yay! I will buy a new replacement case also and end up with another single channel scope. 8)
--giantkiller.
@gk
Tesla the true master of magnetics. He could shoot them there antienergy partilces around and release potential energy at will. Just didn't have the internet to give the knowlege to everybody he could so that the power mongers don't know which way to turn. Get that baby spinning before I take a Tesla coil and power up 225 light bulbs with a 50 watt input. Your stungun is the best thing since sliced bread. ;D
@ GK - I feel as you do, that 382282 has consumer potential, and I can hardly wait to do my next replication attempt. There's been a vision spinning around in my head since my little test build about this. BTW, I found some plastic-coated steel wire at Ace Hardware last weekend. Seems like the patents said something about the iron wire being insulated from itself, and these little spools may be a quick and dirty shortcut, at least for low-power testing.
@ Buzzard
I suggest two of your coils are better than one. The coil you have built is pulsed to get a rotating magnetic field. Fine and dandy but you have nothing for the rotating magnetic field to work on. SM always has a two ring build. One to generate the rotating magnetic field and the other to convert the rotating magnetic field to dc pulsed output. The space in between the two rings determines the output wave. If the top ring is just catching the magnetic field shift generated by the lower ring you get a choppier output wave form. Like in all dynamos or alternators. You have the magnetic field disrupter (in the case of the automotive alternator this would be the magnetically polarized rotor) and the observer of this disruption the collector
(in the case of the automotive alternator this would be the stator). The significant difference between the tpu is that the magnetic disruption is catalyzed by an energy spike. Therefore there is no mechanical drag down like in an automotive alternator. No counteremf just all forward emf.
not the good old positive feed back loop eh? ;)
good stuff guys i took a wee brake from the tpu as i now have tooo much to play with... to play lol
gotta love yard sale season.... :D
ist
@Sparks - thanks for this. Many things are starting to congeal in my mind over the last 3-4 days, and I haven't been able to devote the bench time needed to keep up with the new thinking. Mom always gets priority, you know.
What I see is the Tao graphic but with lables now. The bifilar are the control windings of copper and the outside windings and the inside ring are iron.
Telsa, Leedskalnin, SM all mentioned iron. Now I am not shooting the posters down but the facts stand for themselves. These heroes got it. Anyone of us can make a step farther than the rest by instituting what any of these 3 giants among men have done. Simple as that.
I been trying to come up with a jig to wind the horizontal iron winding to maintain a cross-sectional squareness. Using PVC I think I have what I need.
But now I will go back to the PMH design I came up with. I was trying to figure out how the scope signature of the rising and falling ringing between the positive pulses occurred. I will test by removing the long sections off iron bars from the ring loop. To see what part of the signal disappears or gains. This sets up the results of the what Tesla had his windings edge to edge so magnetic flux cannot escape or leak out.
I don't know how to test with the stun guns without bringing down the house or other equipment or without scaring the dogs.
Depending on the results or not I will strip one of the steel/copper coils and wrap a curved iron section fully. This creates a winding that is 3 deep using 1 frequency instead of 3 coils with 3 frequencies.
The 2 layer SM coils look like ionizer plates. That would essentially be spreading out the spark gap to a wider plane of conductance instead of a single point of conductance. Safer.
I don't like the feeling of RE on the body anymore. Be careful.
--giantkiller. What looks like fun can turn the mystery into a nightmare.
WHOLLY OUCH GK although I bet he was having a good time Till later [understood] Chet
@GK
Thanks for the warning. I got a second warning this morning on the side of the cage that encloses the Tesla coil I'm trying to cannibalize. Something to the effect that xray radiation is present.
You add up the xrays-beta rays- infra-red freqs-phosphourous excitation-electro-static capacitance coupling, ion propulsion - that there little flyback transformer inside the cage with the warning on it, puts out a boatload more energy than the dinky cord feeding the tv set ever could put in. Moms of the 50's sensed it was bad to have children in front of these energy conversion devices.
Why did SM always power a Television set with his TPU? His device and Tesla's device all on the same tabletop. Was he trying to teach us something or was this part of the swindle?
And the drill spins....
I am going to cannibalize one of the steel/copper coils and wrap single layers of the copper then all the steel. I will not reverse wrap the winding but cut it at it's end point with a lead and use what's left over, go back the the start point and wrap another. Then tie the ends up at each end. This gets alot of copper all firing in the same direction. Then will do the same with the steel.
Then enclose that with a wrap of iron wire.
--giantkiller.
And the drill spins, as does SM's collector magfield, as does the Earth, and the motor Tesla had in his free transportation machine. I want to make one of these and park it in a certain politicians driveway. I got room in the engine compartment of this defunct Jeep for an 80hp 5000hz driven motor. ;D Maybe we can get this together before Hutch starts throwing pop litre bottles around down in the city of angels.
I also am thinking about instead of using the flyback to light up 225 light bulbs it could easily be used to heat platinum in a fuel cell.
A quick test on the PMH:
I put 37khz and you touch and you can feel the vibes.
You connect the the steel coils in a circle and the pc speakers squeal.
Well:
I pull the ring apart at one of the magnet and iron bundle junctions to the distance of 1 inch air space and the viibrations become audible across the desk as a sounding board.
I will now bring the freq down to 5k.
@sparks,
The baseline statement would be: 'You can't tell me that energy comes out of the wall in a standard format'. A conversion of some sorts has taken place.
5khz just blew a fet. I gotta rethink this awhile. There was no new thing, just driving a transformer.
--giantkiller.
E=MC2 isn't bullshit and you don't need to create new physics to explain how a tpu converts mass to translatory energy. Tesla was right about the aether but Einstein was right about the mass energy relationship. I'll leave you alone for a while GK. Your mind spins faster than SM's magfield ever approached. Sorry for all the quills. ;)
@Acer
Walter Russell Trumps both of them!
The wavelength of 5khz=2,236.26 miles per hour. Node to antinode it is pretty much in synch with the Earth's spin.
Quote from: sparks on May 12, 2008, 10:22:55 PM
E=MC2 isn't bullshit and you don't need to create new physics to explain how a tpu converts mass to translatory energy. Tesla was right about the aether but Einstein was right about the mass energy relationship. I'll leave you alone for a while GK. Your mind spins faster than SM's magfield ever approached. Sorry for all the quills. ;)
@Acer
Walter Russell Trumps both of them!
I agree with all of what is said here.
Do you find youself in the middle of what is known and what is truly there?
I walk around in a daze all day trying to get a foothold on the new steps learned. The quote at work is 'OMG he walks around spoutin' energy talk and reading Telsa patents or fun!'. Them shoes is big...
So I back track. I take 3 coils off and leave only 1 steel/copper coil on. I remove the middle iron bars and shorten the whole thing to a ring. But I leave a gap at both places where I had the bar segments. I put an empty coil in 1 gap and put control coil in the opposite gap. I will also put control coils in both gaps.
I am going to pulse the gaps. 8)
--giantkiller.
Same thing here. I just tell them it is my hobby. 5kz node to antinode propogates at the same speed as the earth is spinning at. I think when the magfield starts spinning or oscillating at this freq you are resonating with a powerfield that overloads anything we got to handle it. The tpu needs to be driven linearly above or below and not on any harmonic. Just intuition here so I could be all off base.
I put the PMH back to day 1 with 1 exception . Airgaps inside the coils where the fluz flows.. I will pulse the ranges tomorrow. Couldnt wait.
This was easy. I will pulse the air gaps tomorrow.
200ma with 200khz.
--giantkiller.
Well here is my realization:
Tesla, Leedskalnin, SM mentioned the use of iron.
In Leedskalnin / Emery we could see the iron.
Tesla did not show in his NT382282 transformer patent the last, outer iron winding. But the 382282 is in alot of his other patents.
If you look at all of SMs coils, if it was not pointed out specifically, the viewer wouldn't even think to realize different metals when they saw wires. I sure didn't.
I put the bailing/iron wire and Tesla's mention together. And I thought the conductor mentioned was a an electrical path not a magnetic path. Leedskalnin pointed this out.
Well that is the change point because the flux flows through space. And it can be squeezed!
As I moved the iron bar away from its magnet home there were definate increasing and decreasing vibratory amplitude changes. Standing waves? I think so and that is a good thing. Now what if I make the standing wave distance a sqeeze point? So I space the junction at the standing wave distance and then pulse the coil around that air gap.
Can you say heterodyning?
So now I have a system of test that lends itself to open configurability.
I can swap things around to suite the current testing. I will call this configuration E2lego that is E squared or EE.
Hee, hee, hee!
So the next test will be to see what pulsing the magair gap does.
I can also configure the coils up again to attain the the even bigger waves I saw on the 2nd test which was the 2 coils in series.
I will change the steel and copper connections into serial and parallel connections. Like the copper in parallel while the steel in serial. And swap that the other way also. While pulsing the magair gap.
The iron segment is not connected electrically. It looks like an open-ended single line transmission. Remember all that noise?
It like playing with a spreadsheet now.
--giantkiller. I can see this on the shelves of Toys are us by Christmas.
@loner
SM and others have warned. You got to drive your tpu and keep it off the resonant magfield/energy spin ban of the third rock from the sun. Otherwise your little resonant device or time machine might just resonate you into the future.
I was about to write a comment on a particular post, but decided I should read the rest afterwords first to see if I had missed anything. Then I realized,
YOU GUYS DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! and honestly, I mean that in the most kind way possible.
I already took the risk of sounding like a complete jack ass, and probably succeeeded, but dont get all in a tizzy yet. I have talked with a couple of you, you are smart guys, you know your stuff, but here is what I see. You know the many pieces of the puzzle well, but you arent putting these many pieces together!!!
For starters, you CANNOT seperater the electric field from the magnetic field
Keeping this system in mind, you CANNOT have inductance without capacitance, or vice versa
Looking at the PMH, the "Orbit" of the magnetism in the U bar and the Keeper is "broken" when you pull the Keeper from the Bar, what does this create? A change with respect to time in the magnetic field. This in and of itself generates a voltage, where there is a voltage there is an amperage...........Voltage and amperage are unseperable, you CANNOT have one without the other! The faster the keeper is pulled off, the brighter the bulb, WHY?
What role does iron play? If we were to look at the fiberous construct of the magnetic field it would look as though it were an onion with many layers. Iron packs these layers into closer proximity, it focuses them. Keeping this in mind what role does irong PLAY??? If we are trying to harness the Magnetic field (which is the same as the electric field) in a coil, we want the maximum change in field to occur around or inside the coil. Enough of this iron vs copper crap! what does each do!!!!!! the iron focuses the magnetic field in close proximity to the copper, so that when a change in flux with respect to time occurs, the copper is right in the "middle" of the situation.
I could go on and on, but lets keep it simple, you know what each does, now start thinking about how they interact rather than guessing at new things to try. Then you can start building, and stop experimenting, build with knowlege!
(sorry again for being an ass)
@Loner,
Thanks,
I like to think I have been open and honest with tests that really bode well for others, not myself. I know what I got. And keep it in simple or at least some product oriented terms we understand. But that takes time between results. Poking in the dark at a secret is tough. Nobody is a hero, just a trooper.
Bolt pointed me towards the heterodyning and sent a circuit to make. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall. Actual help. Which so many have not even understood when it hit them. We all must respond with what ever piece of results one comes up with. The noise might just be a smoke cloud to protect whoever breaks the code. That would be a good thing. :)
@armagdn03,
I had posted about the where the copper sits in the interaction. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.
--giantkiller. I press on as always despite the angry hoards.
HI ARMA long time no hear :)
Iron has the abiltiy to rearrange it's atomic lattice in response to a magnetic field disruption. It gives the magnetic field direction. Whereas the copper is converting it's potential energy into a magnetic field disruption. The dielectric or charge state only comes into play to distribute the kick disresonance.
After that it is all about what happens to the magnetic field surrounding your collector. You will note that to get voltage all that is needed is to move a conductor through a compressed magnetic field. Or move a compressed magnetic field through a conductor. Nice to hear from you.
Notice the symmetry? No small ringing.
All 3 copper coils in parallel and all 3 steel coils in series on an iron wire and magnetic core. Only 600ma.
Next test will be 4 coils hooked the same and I replace the 555 with a xr2206.
The sequencial postings have shown and reinforced waveform improvement.
No fantasy here.
When the pulse collapses the flux is squeezed. The ramping up in the ringing is the flux field recovery.
--giantkiller. Got progress?
Thats a nice full oscope shot if I've ever seen one. No dinky sinsuoidal output from GK's machines.
And the eyes in my head see the world spinning round right there on GK's oscope.
Quote from: sparks on May 13, 2008, 10:29:03 PM
HI ARMA long time no hear :)
Iron has the abiltiy to rearrange it's atomic lattice in response to a magnetic field disruption. It gives the magnetic field direction. Whereas the copper is converting it's potential energy into a magnetic field disruption. The dielectric or charge state only comes into play to distribute the kick disresonance.
After that it is all about what happens to the magnetic field surrounding your collector. You will note that to get voltage all that is needed is to move a conductor through a compressed magnetic field. Or move a compressed magnetic field through a conductor. Nice to hear from you.
@ GK
You were clear, I heard you,
@Sparks,
I am aware of the role, no need to explain! I see one fundamental flaw with your arguement, you are speeking of the electric and magnetic field as if they were two distinct entities interacting, this is not the case. Also, you will note that one does not need to move a conductor through a magnetic field to generate anything! its all relative! I am not guessing here or putting theories forth, ask erfinder, once you realize the inherant simplicity of the workings, "overunity" will be an afterthought, and you will begin to think of what to do with it!
@ armma where ya been bro?
care to play with my new meter ? perhaps we can do some public tuning? i pick it up 2morrow or thursday
the best part is i dont know a thing about inductance and how to match it up coil/cap just yet ;)
how ever i aint worried it cant be that hard
i would really like a wire length freq calq :)
i found some 4 wire trailer hook up wire for futrue coils should make an awsome tuned pancake coil with 1 input and 3 out puts through resosnance 1 to each conrtol hummm
ist
a question for you guys lol does your input become your output after you fire it up??
@arma
What I have learned from ERfinder and Grumpy and a few other teachers here as well as from the scource itself is that you can model translatory energy as a solid that is able to displace a liquid aether. So the kick or the representation of the purest energy we can manifest is able to compress accelerate spin slap paddle etc. the aether. When the aetheric pressure is changed around a form of matter (energy and inertia in a state of spin resonance) this elicits the release of energy from this resonant state which manipulates the aether. Therefore electricity is just the aetheric response to energy displacement. I don't know if this is how it all works but it works for me in understanding how to achieve conversion of potential energy contained in matter to translatory energy that we can use to do work.
I had done experiments with the kick phenomenon but never understood the catalytic power that the kick has until studying how a kick is choked by changing the magnetic parameters of the interior of a torroidal wound choke coil. Thanks to Grumpy and Erfinder for taking the time! Anyway I know enough now to use the kick to convert potential energy of conductor atomic fields into translatory energy and have the earth/spin field restore the resonance of the conductor atomic field. Now I'm running with the power and locking it up in my briefcase so I can sell it to the highest bidder. ;D
boisterous bondage of the brain
heterodyning is in vain
giant killers aim to poise
sadly all they make is noise
to wits end no one knows
if this thread comes or goes
push and pull and mo-bi-us
is this real or toys-r-us?
twist and turn and force that vector
seems to be one macabre spectre
sit and watch or toast your bench
build and build your thirst will quench
which is right and which is wrong?
two ways to play the very same song
senseless posts that foresake reason
goodness grace that's SM treason!
mr. mark is surely forlorn
please appear and dish some scorn
Quote from: poynt99 on May 14, 2008, 12:08:00 AM
boisterous bondage of the brain
heterodyning is in vain
giant killers aim to poise
sadly all they make is noise
to wits end no one knows
if this thread comes or goes
push and pull and mo-bi-us
is this real or toys-r-us?
twist and turn and force that vector
seems to be one macabre spectre
sit and watch or toast your bench
build and build your thirst will quench
which is right and which is wrong?
two ways to play the very same song
senseless posts that foresake reason
goodness grace that's SM treason!
mr. mark is surely forlorn
please appear and dish some scorn
Now there is comedy (may not agree with all said, but hilarious none the less)
Quote from: poynt99 on May 14, 2008, 12:08:00 AM
boisterous bondage of the brain
heterodyning is in vain
giant killers aim to poise
sadly all they make is noise
to wits end no one knows
if this thread comes or goes
push and pull and mo-bi-us
is this real or toys-r-us?
twist and turn and force that vector
seems to be one macabre spectre
sit and watch or toast your bench
build and build your thirst will quench
which is right and which is wrong?
two ways to play the very same song
senseless posts that foresake reason
goodness grace that's SM treason!
mr. mark is surely forlorn
please appear and dish some scorn
So after all the little comments then you have the balls to come here and tell GK this is in vain .. well little troll why dont you just go back to surfing midget teen brothel sites seems more up your alley . A little harsh yes but.. Positive encouraging intuitive comments are good for progress yours and mine towards eachother are useless yet mildly amusing
Verily I say unto thee 'To love thy brother as thyself. Lest ye cause them to stumble'.
And if you can't do this then your existance is of no consequence.
I learned along time ago that our presentation towards others is a direct reflection of how our parents treated us. From which there is no escape except through Love.
@Poynt99,
You are welcome here in what ever presentation you wish to provide. I was only trying to help by using myself as a prime example of doing and not success. If my presentation was misleading then I am sorry.
This is what Jesus would have us do.
--giantkiller. I tarry not any further.
@Local Joe
Gks got plenty of power to show poynt the other cheek.
"God bless us everyone" even those that have no clue what they do
Any other response would invoke wrath as a product of 'Lest anyone should be rejected'.
All are welcome. The input is invaluable.
David was 16 and delivered the nation of Israel from their fears not from the giant. He was also told 'It can't be done'.
--giantkiller. Bring it on. There are no problems. Only oppurtunities for solutions. That and only that will put us in a better place.
Back to reality, if that is allowed.
By pulsing the magnet field in the same direction as the flux wants to flow we instill a field in the soft iron. Like the stroke. The pulsing also taps the field and excites it into a faster creation. Quote 'Modern magnetics'
This action builds up flux accumulation in the iron. We push it along the racetrack.
--giantkiller.
read in another TPU thread that someone suggested blowing dry ice fumes at the device to "see the vortex".
is this applicable here?
would this help anyone see whats going on in their coils?
am i wasting everyone's time? LOL
just hoping to fire a few synapses out there.
LC
Great test!
QuoteII
MAGNETIC FORCES
7. General?If we do not speak very exactly we may say that the space surrounding a magnet is a magnetic field, but this is not in every case correct. It is correct to say so if the magnet is in the form of a bar or sphere or disc, the bar may be straight or bent; but the more bent it is and the closer its ends are brought together the weaker does the field become, and there is one form of magnet which has no external field at all. (Of the internal field we will not speak here.) That form is the ring. If we imagine the bar with poles; its two ends being bent round into a ring and then welded together, these two poles which, as we know, are of opposite nature, are united and cancel each other out and the ring has no poles. But where there are no poles there can be no external field a matter we will look into more closely immediately. But first of all comes a question closely associated with this : is there under these circumstances any justification for regarding the ring as a magnet at all? It is, so to speak, dead and has no outward effect. This is a point which we can and must answer. Its inner life is all the more active; the inner field is extraordinarily strong and has besides very favourable characteristics which are often, and indeed in the majority of cases, much more important than the. outward effect. In a dynamo, for example, it is the inward field alone that comes into consideration: the external field is quite superfluous. It must in fact be eliminated, in the first place because it represents a dissipation of energy, and in the second place because it would cause harm. Where it presents itself it is called a stray field, and in the early years of electrotechnics these stray fields were considerable and spoilt many valuable watches, the iron parts of which became magnetized, to the grief of their possessors. But this difficulty has now been overcome. The modern dynamo is a perfectly enclosed whole, and there is no longer any need to be afraid of its effect upon one?s watch.
SOME SPECIAL BRANCHES OF THE SUBJECT
necessary limitation in the interests of clearness the significance of Ohm?s law for magnetization is considerably diminished.
Moreover, it becomes clear that the so-called fundamental Ohm?s law of the magnetic circuit has no real scientific significance, and that when it is required to apply it to practical purposes one has to proceed very carefully and be guided by the results of experience. But under these conditions it may be and has been of considerable value.
87. The Ring with an Air Gap
The ideal case of the magnetic circuit is that in which the total flux of induction remains in the magnet. This is case is only completely realized in a ring which is covered with uniform windings. If the windings are more thickly crowded together at one place than at another, or if time cross-section of the ring radually or suddenly FIG. 125. changes between
one part and another, lines of force leak out into the surrounding air. As will be readily understood a quite special case arises when the circuit is broken at some point, corresponding to the case of the spark gap in an electric circuit. A typical case of this sort is the slotted ring. I-lere, as Fig. 125 shows, the lines of force for the most part run parallel with the axis, and those near the axis maintain their
parallelism across the gap ; but the outer ones bend outwards as they approach the end surfaces SO that they escape out of the iron into the surrounding space?a phenomenon which was referred to in Chapter II (page io) as the dispersion of the stream lines.
To continue yesterday's folly:
I stand before those who can and will understand through time the perfect folly of mankind's thinking that he and he alone can make a difference. This is true folly. For one can only conquer the debacles of life through the positive connection with others be they in the present or of the past. He who has sought to work alone will remain alone by any costs through solitude or rejection of others and will not see the joys of success but will continue on a path of addiction to others as a parasite or slave.
No weapon that is formed against me shall prosper. Isaiah 54:17
By compressing the flux in the air gap the north and south are made to compress into the ring creating a monopole. The release of the compression on the air gap allows the ring to return to its natural state as a dipole creating a virtual spark gap, tapping. Do this in a circle, stroking. Not by segments but pulse direction, south to north. Just like Ed.L. said.
I will try the next version of the NT382282 with windings creating 4 quadrants where each ends close to the next. I will go so far as putting air gaps in the iron bars in the middle of the quadrant windings. That also does not show in the patent, but is a very powerful control. This feature would have made the GK4 self detonate! :o The high speed flux would not have been allowed to escape. It harms. ;) Simple to build with very expressive results. There is nothing new under the sun.
--giantkiller. On the doorstep to the future where failure was not an option. 8)
@GK
Do you think this is worth pursuing?. Some folks definitely want to see it before they believe it. The only problem (besides not blowing up the bulbs) is the same one sm had. Prooving there are no batteries stashed in the tv. Gonna have to account for every cubic inch inside the old black and white. I'm going to have to scrounge some flea markets to find an old crt set. Damn new fangled PLASMA sets. I might hang some unexposed xray slides around the little Tesla coil to show a little bit more energy conversion from this machine of forgotten technology.
@Sparks,
Whatever it takes to 1.) get results or 2:) keeping it simple for others to finally get on board and do tests.
@all,
So here is some supporting documentation about steps I have taken and about things I have mentioned.
Just in case some think I make this sh!t up or are coming off the wall.
Only a fool would argue with Tesla, Leedskalnin, Russell, Auerbach, Troward, Keely, Shaumberger or Steven Mark.
Do what it says...
Now bend the filaments of graduated lengths in a quarter turn with the shortest span inside the curve and you have something that fits in one of the NT382282 segments but 45 degrees shifted. Or just cut the iron wire looped bundle into 4ths. 8)
--giantkiller. Everything is as plain as day unless you prefer to live in darkness.
It just keeps getting better.
Each coil is air core or a flux channel.
The next step is to cover every visual green area with a full winding of copper then on top of that a full winding of iron in pursuit of NT382282.
I already have achieved ramp up to runaway. The height and depth of the intrapulse oscillations exceeded the pulse height by 5%. Smoked a FET. I am preceeding with a level of control. Each step so far has made attainment by noticable levels. 8)
This is with 555s. The xr2206 is next. The 555s have jitter. I believe this is hindering further wave control. The saturation takes place and large forms are apparent but then squelch down.
Cool running @ 800ma.
Received Owon scope replacement board. Need to swap it in.
--giantkiller. Kickin' ass.
HI @GK
HOW IS YOUR IN AND OUT POWER
MORE THEN 1 OR
I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING YOU MY TRAING WHIT SINUS FREK IS I THING IS BETER BUT YOU MAST MAKE PrOPERLY TURNS ISN TO YOU IN COILS MUCH MORE TURNS TO YOUR INPUT COIL IF YOU PUT BIGER SINUS FREKFENCY
TRY THAT WHIT SINUS
FORMULA
FOR 50 HZ IS <<<45 / a*b saids = numbers for prymary turns that is for 50hz <45 > if you put 100 hz then you need <<90>> 90 / a*b = numbers of turns
if you put more and more high speed sinus frek only you need to eancreas that
for 150hz sin. fre <<is 135>> for 200 hz is <<180 > and and and if you whant you calculate this if you whant to be in the khz and you whill have proper tune prymar coil whit sinus frek
SINUS IS BETER THEN PULSE
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on May 17, 2008, 06:21:31 PM
HI @GK
HOW IS YOUR IN AND OUT POWER
MORE THEN 1 OR
I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING YOU MY TRAING WHIT SINUS FREK IS I THING IS BETER BUT YOU MAST MAKE PrOPERLY TURNS ISN TO YOU IN COILS MUCH MORE TURNS TO YOUR INPUT COIL IF YOU PUT BIGER SINUS FREKFENCY
TRY THAT WHIT SINUS
FORMULA
FOR 50 HZ IS <<<45 / a*b saids = numbers for prymary turns that is for 50hz <45 > if you put 100 hz then you need <<90>> 90 / a*b = numbers of turns
if you put more and more high speed sinus frek only you need to eancreas that
for 150hz sin. fre <<is 135>> for 200 hz is <<180 > and and and if you whant you calculate this if you whant to be in the khz and you whill have proper tune prymar coil whit sinus frek
SINUS IS BETER THEN PULSE
Yes. I am going in that direction. I wanted to try the Leedskalnin PMH with the added magnet and air gap. It worked! He and Tesla both spoke of iron so it got me curious.
@All,
And along the lines of SHARP pulses. I am going to start using the stun gun but not leave a spark gap open in the last stage. That should also give sharp pulses.
The last PMH test I did showed perfect symmetry instead of differences on intrapulse oscillations like before. I said I would figure it and the answer is the symmetry in the coils and radially placed air gaps amd magnetics. Also more coil fields compared to the total mass of iron.
Now I am winding a coil with iron core, 1 magnetic, copper windings around the whole thing and then iron wire again. The flux will not be allowed to escape into the air but kept contained.
--giantkiller. I totally blew the digital scope. I revert back to my 10mhz Heathkit. Got analog?
hello guys got my new meter ;D just no time to play with it yet
well i did do some tests thet dirrectly relate to this
when you wind a single control around steel or iron core i noticed anyways that the core will get extreamly hot but not the small control wire hummm....
i plused it at a low speed with 12 vdc 1000ma 10 min later you could not touch it 8) why?? traped?? ;) eh??
i used 1800 winds of 28 ga solid magwire and a thin wall pipe
it is posted some where ...
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on May 18, 2008, 02:42:25 AM
when you wind a single control around steel or iron core i noticed anyways that the core will get extreamly hot but not the small control wire hummm....
i plused it at a low speed with 12 vdc 1000ma 10 min later you could not touch it 8) why?? traped?? ;) eh??
There are two main mechanisms behind the heating. One is ohmic heating due to induced eddy currents, and the other has to do with the magnetic domain structure of the iron.
Pulsing a ferromagnetic material with an external magnetic field causes stresses within the lattice as the magnetic domains experience repeated torques due to the imposed field. This stress results in atomic-scale vibrations in the lattice -- aka "heat".
I think that there may be an explanation for the TPU wherein magnetic pulses applied to a wire create a mechanical wave upon which electrons can "surf". The mechanical wave in the iron wire (probably mostly torsional) is generated and maintained by the control coils via magnetostriction. This would explain both the vibration and the heating, as well as the DC with audio-frequency ripple seen on the output. According to the spherics material, SM was using a coil of iron wire as an audio "delay line". Could the iron wire be the "hose" that is "squeezed" (by mag-field), in the garden-hose analogy? Seems to fit. On a related note, everyone should check out "delay line memory" -- this may be the key...
@zero
Would that be similar to the early exp that consisted of
An iron wire stretched the length of a room, with a movable copper coil wound around it on a spool?
The ends of the copper hooked to a microphone and the user spoke into the mic while moving the copper coil along the iron wire. Call this Encoding/modulating
In turn one could now put a speaker on the ends of the copper wire walk the coil along the same path from start to finish and hear the "recorded voice track" from the mic. Call this Decoding/demodulating ..
What your suggesting; a memory in the iron wire seemed real similar to this concept. Are you suggesting that steven may have pre aligned the domains using this concept in the steel or iron wire he used. And what effect would later saturation of it from the copper's magnetic feilds have on the " Pre set domains " In the iron or steel wire when the energy passed through it.
Joe
PS
Second thought- did he bias the iron/steel wire with a pulsed audio freq to maintain its poles constantly
For instance one could call that the first freq then the second may have been the freq input to the copper coils, using tesla's design in essence we would be setting the dynamo magnetic rotation speed with a 555 or mosfet and making the iron/steel wire a pulsed dc electromagnet. This would remove the need for the interior motor coils and leave us with a "special transformer design" hmmmmmmmm
Quote from: Localjoe on May 18, 2008, 05:56:33 PM
Would that be similar to the early exp that consisted of An iron wire stretched the length of a room, with a movable copper coil wound around it on a spool?
The ends of the copper hooked to a microphone and the user spoke into the mic while moving the copper coil along the iron wire. Call this Encoding/modulating
In turn one could now put a speaker on the ends of the copper wire walk the coil along the same path from start to finish and hear the "recorded voice track" from the mic. Call this Decoding/demodulating ..
The experiment you cite demonstrates a different sort of memory - same concept as a magnetic tape recorder. In fact, some early magnetic recordings were made using iron wire as the recording medium.
What I am talking about is generating
mechanical waves in the wire by pulsing the coil wrapped around it. Lets start with the same setup, with a long wire and a coil. We speak into the microphone connected to the coil, causing the wire to experience a time-varying torque there. The torsional wave travels down the wire at a certain speed. A coil wrapped at the other end of the wire and hooked up to an amplifier reproduces the input, but the output is delayed relative to the input due to the finite propagation speed of the mechanical waves in the wire.
Here's where I venture into "hypothesis land": I suggest that, given the right kind of modulation, a voltage is induced between the ends of the wire. By coiling the wire into a loop and matching the fundamental frequency of the input coil to the time it takes for the sound wave to make one circuit, positive feedback occurs (like a number of well-timed pushes on a swingset), and a cascade of free electrons "surf along" on the resonant waveform. These "kicks" are collected with a capacitor. A small portion of the stored energy is used to power the control coil, while the rest can be diverted into a load.
@gK
Here is a blueprint you may recognize as being an "original" computer design. (See if you can find the double helix used in our programming.)
@ Acer
The Avatars all look like us.
hey guys thought i would fill you in on my next steps on my thin wall ed, tesla, emery,mpi,bendini, etc etc tpu thingey i have been slowly building
i used the audio black wrap because it was handy so i took 22 ga wire and wraped 1 wind in each slot all the way around my core this will be my feed back supply voltage to self supply after speed builds up or perhaps we call it ramp up any how i then took 28ga solid magwire and i wound ovet each wind of 2 ga with 1o turns so i guess it will be a 10 to 1 ratio in this coil control to feedback supply both are wound in the same dirrecton and opsite dirrection to the collector now when wound all the way around i will have a massive bucking control coil and i then took garden wire and wraped it over the control/feed back windings in the same dirrection as well
not done it yet
we shall see what happins ...
ist
i will post a pic in a bit
As another route
No iron core,
no magnets
Steel core
Copper controls.
On the first run the steel would not be magnetized. After power up it would be. Now we have our permanent magnet in place and our magnetic core or flux capacitor.
The magnet swipe in the open tpu is equivilant to the Bedini SSG motor kick to start things.
The air gap could sit anywhere on the any of the tpus. Who would've have known what to look for back then?
The iron core tpus would get warm. The GK4 got warm. Iron core, copper primary, copper secondary. The primary and secondary swap places with respect to the pulse level.
There are 2 patents referenced in the title 258767 & 266757. It is either a smoke screen, reference to people or some item.
--giantkiller
pic
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Quote from: giantkiller on May 19, 2008, 12:24:21 PM
As another route
No iron core,
no magnets
Steel core
Copper controls.
On the first run the steel would not be magnetized. After power up it would be. Now we have our permanent magnet in place and our magnetic core or flux capacitor.
The magnet swipe in the open tpu is equivilant to the Bedini SSG motor kick to start things.
The air gap could sit anywhere on the any of the tpus. Who would've have known what to look for back then?
The iron core tpus would get warm. The GK4 got warm. Iron core, copper primary, copper secondary. The primary and secondary swap places with respect to the pulse level.
There are 2 patents referenced in the title 258767 & 266757. It is either a smoke screen, reference to people or some item.
--giantkiller
@ GK
I went through the same thing for a min going .. am i crazy these numbers are for clothing accessories. Those are "serial" numbers of patents one being the patent 382,282 and the other is one of the 381 numbers.... why patents have pat numbers and pat serial numbers is beyond me. One of the serials is a reference to another of his patents tho its not the hosiery one if thats what you found .. i got a good chuckle when searched them as pat numbers first.
Joe
Bottom line is three of em deal with transformation and the others with distribution.. I bet he had to split them for legality but it seems more clear that some paragraphs meant for one pat no were pasted to another one and so on through this series of 6 ..... sloppy work pat office. All of this needs to be reassembled into the system he intended by laying out these patents and figureing which modifications were needed almost each one has a flavor change.
Quote from: Localjoe on May 19, 2008, 01:22:57 PM
@ GK
I went through the same thing for a min going .. am i crazy these numbers are for clothing accessories. Those are "serial" numbers of patents one being the patent 382,282 and the other is one of the 381 numbers.... why patents have pat numbers and pat serial numbers is beyond me. One of the serials is a reference to another of his patents tho its not the hosiery one if thats what you found .. i got a good chuckle when searched them as pat numbers first.
Joe
Bottom line is three of em deal with transformation and the others with distribution.. I bet he had to split them for legality but it seems more clear that some paragraphs meant for one pat no were pasted to another one and so on through this series of 6 ..... sloppy work pat office. All of this needs to be reassembled into the system he intended by laying out these patents and figureing which modifications were needed almost each one has a flavor change.
Well post the real pat numbers you found 'cause I was not going to waste my time on Gov mismagmt.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on May 19, 2008, 12:32:27 PM
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Keep in mind I_S that if this core is solid, i.e. it is an electrical path all the way around the circle, it will act as a single turn secondary and kill all your energy and get very hot, this is how many high wattage soldering irons work, but im assuming you dont want to be making a heat machine. You need to put a break in it.
Quote from: armagdn03 on May 20, 2008, 12:44:20 PM
Keep in mind I_S that if this core is solid, i.e. it is an electrical path all the way around the circle, it will act as a single turn secondary and kill all your energy and get very hot, this is how many high wattage soldering irons work, but im assuming you dont want to be making a heat machine. You need to put a break in it.
Good call, armagdn. In Patent 381970, the iron core is sub-divided into four segments. Each segment is electrically independent. Each coil set contains the ends of two core segments, meeting in the middle. Insulation between segments can be added, or the segments can simply be spaced a few millimeters apart. The design can contain more core segments and matching coil sets.
This is my build for the week, finally. I plan to construct a sleeve from stiff paper or the like to facilitate winding the coils and sliding the core segments into them. Photos to come.
Quote from: buzz-ard on May 20, 2008, 02:43:39 PM
Good call, armagdn. In Patent 381970, the iron core is sub-divided into four segments. Each segment is electrically independent. Each coil set contains the ends of two core segments, meeting in the middle. Insulation between segments can be added, or the segments can simply be spaced a few millimeters apart. The design can contain more core segments and matching coil sets.
This is my build for the week, finally. I plan to construct a sleeve from stiff paper or the like to facilitate winding the coils and sliding the core segments into them. Photos to come.
Yep. I am in the middle of throwing parts for the design on the table at this very moment. Spent all weekend going over this plan to make sure of nothing wasted, including time. That's a killer.
My iron bundles are 3/4 inch thick and about 47 turns. That's 4" diam, 50ft.long = 600 in / 12.56. Still need to compute turns for 5khz or 50hz?
The gap can be maintained by a sliver of shirt cardboard or construction paper. I guess you are going to make a loose collar for slipping on? That is a curve. Ouch. My design is with tight, single layer against the iron. The stability can also be maintained by sections of cable ties with the heads cutoff.
--giantkiller.
@GK - Just playing around the other night, I started with 50 feet of bailing wire and ended up with about 40 turns, 5" OD, 1 1/8" high, about 3/4" thick. I haven't done the math yet, though - yet another preparatory measure to be taken. Let's compare figures and see if we can work out a ratio that might serve as a reference in estimating these things in different builds.
Later tonight I'm going to secure the new core with zip ties, saw it in quarters, apply a film of lacquer/glue stuff for a little rigidity, then leave one zip tie in the middle of each segment and cut off the others. Winding can happen with a core segment completely inside a sleeve for support, then once the copper coils are wound the core segment can be moved and the final assembly should be fairly stable. So my pea brain says.
Shirt cardboard for the sleeve is an excellent suggestion, and I do plan to make it sorta loose but with enough friction to hold it all in place. The curve aspect shouldn't be so bad, as many shirt collar forms are already curved. Guess I need to visit Needless Markup for some project materials...
Quote from: buzz-ard on May 20, 2008, 04:15:10 PM
@GK - Just playing around the other night, I started with 50 feet of bailing wire and ended up with about 40 turns, 5" OD, 1 1/8" high, about 3/4" thick. I haven't done the math yet, though - yet another preparatory measure to be taken. Let's compare figures and see if we can work out a ratio that might serve as a reference in estimating these things in different builds.
Later tonight I'm going to secure the new core with zip ties, saw it in quarters, apply a film of lacquer/glue stuff for a little rigidity, then leave one zip tie in the middle of each segment and cut off the others. Winding can happen with a core segment completely inside a sleeve for support, then once the copper coils are wound the core segment can be moved and the final assembly should be fairly stable. So my pea brain says.
Shirt cardboard for the sleeve is an excellent suggestion, and I do plan to make it sorta loose but with enough friction to hold it all in place. The curve aspect shouldn't be so bad, as many shirt collar forms are already curved. Guess I need to visit Needless Markup for some project materials...
I had been using the low-profile, inline, flat head, 4" cable ties. I can't get them any more. The cable tie in the middle is along the lines I was thinking. I also use 3/4 heat tubing as rings or collars to secure the ends of the bundles. Tight but not a fictionless squeeze. Good to stablize to start winding. The cardboard collar is interesting. I have inventory of the polypenco nylon tubing from the ECD build i'll look into for a collar. You know? The clear vinyl 1" tubing would be a killer solution also. That way when the build is slipped on and complete, there could be a wrap or an inner sheath of polyclay in the ends of the tubings for a band tie compression hold. There would be a slit across the end where the tie falls thru to the polyclay or iron bundle. After all the iron is not conducting nor is the copper primary out of resonance. No heat. Probably don't need the polyclay. I have done this fastening before. The heat shrink tubing could be used the hold the iron ends together with hot glue. I have always held onto the coil being on the core directly tho. But in resonance the coil would be communicating quite well.
Well I got to get on this. My primary concern is picking the right frequency. Tesla mentioned 20khz at some point. but 5khz and 50hz are still hot. I will do the calcs to see how close these three are to using one coil.
@Gk
A thought would be to try sub harmonics of thi
A typical external standard sample is Fe(CO)5. Its absolute frequency is 3.237798 MHz with respect to 100.00 MHz for TMS
I know this is a little non sequetor but Phi has been mentioned placed strategicly too many times here for me to just let this one go, it may not be a key to this exp but is worth testing and recording effects while ya got the setup.
phi - .618 or Phi 1.618
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi.html (http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/phi.html)
To square phi simply add 1 plus phi
Phi 1.618 x phi -.618 =1 ???????????????????????????????????????????????
2Phi= 3.236...........
For example
1.5 x .5 = .75
where as
1.618 x .618 = 0.999924
There has to be something to the math of combining em waves, gk please jump in here is it that the resultant that the square of the original two waves or whats the math . Reason being If using the phi values and harmonics this might lead way to a new understanding at least for me,
Joe
ps
-Im finding the pat no's now and coorialting them to the serials to make sure i hate 10 pt font
last note- 20k tesla mention x 1.618 = 32360
32360 / 5000 =6.472
1.618 * 4 =6.472
Please be aware of the control circuitry shielding from any ingoing energy differential that has any chance of taking over the steering wheel. I just hate this torroidal energy sink because of it's potential for destruction.
OK.... Let's surf!
Iron has latency. When the pulse drops the field still exists. We pulse it again. The new pulse rides on top of the previous dimishing resultant wave. But here we heterodyne into a higher amplitude. Remeber the last wave I posted? What is apparent between the drive pulses? Accumulation. No body caught or posted about it. Oh, the shame of it all! Ya'll should be wearing depends that day. Remeber when I said I would get the non symmetrical waves figured out? I achieved consistancy the next day. Oh, the shame of it all.
The scope shot before that was a blow out ramp up. When does this happen? During the saturation process. Why does it take time? The iron field is building up. That shot also showed accumulation above the pulse height. Muy Importante! Almost OU, no? Oui, oui?
So Rene do a 3d, bud. The undalting tube shaped wave going around the ring. With a kicker on it. It goes around, then it goes around, then it goes around with a passenger, then it goes around with a passenger and another passenger gets on, and it goes around and another passenger gets on. Pretty soon yas got a whole boat load of hitchhikers pushing and rocking the boat. The next job it to let the passengers gather on board but control the dancing and the jumping so that the thumping doesn't left the water slosh up over the rails. You wanna sink the boat? The easiest way to not do this is to use a 324 opamp as a current reader and then pull a pulse generation back or lower the lever of then next pulse to let the 'round and round' subside a little each time or whenever. ;D
I am going to redo the setup and shoot a youtuber from the power on start till the FET blows. Just so the process can be seen. To put in other words: The iron transformer saturates.
It is amazing what one can buy at the hardware store while standing inline with other debt-ridden consumers that have 2 options: complain or rollover. Either way everyone submits. Not me! I go walking through hardware stores with coils in hand to put parts on and when people ask I tell 'em.
@LocalJoe,
I believe the combinations are obvious, apparent, and inherent.
--giantkiller. That's what I've seen.
@GK
Just make sure the whole boat doesn't get caught in a whirlpool of plazma
and vanish with all passengers aboard never to be seen in this pond again. 8)
So with the ramp up and the oscilations greater than the pulse height. I need to insert control. Once this thing has a firewall then other testng and results can be pursued.
Small little doo-dads to attain. They might be what we are looking for. You never know. Throwing another log on the fire just might cook your marshmallows or better yet, keep you warm.
--giantkiller. The stuff dreams are made of. Been working so far.
hi @all
i all time say explane and we here mast be concertrate to real
IF WE WHANT TO GET POWER WHIT MAGNET AND WIRE THERE IS SOME REAL THINGS
<<<<< IF WE HAVE STRONG ELKTROMAGNET AND MOVE SLOW TO PICK UP COIL THERE IS POWER ,,,BUT HOW TO CREATED STRONG ELKTRMAGNET ,,, easy\
put only ampers there in that coil and here is strong magnet
PROBLEM IF WE PUT MORE AMPERS THERE YOU CAN BRING MORE POWER THERE THAT IS NOT GOOD
but if you make this<<LET SAY 0,2 VOILTS WHIT 10 AMPERS IN THAT COIL WOW WHAT OF STRONG ELKTROMAGNET WHIIL BE ;)
AND RESOLTS IS THIS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 0,2v *10amp = 2watt
tes you have 2watt in enrgy and you have 10 amps elktromagnet
AND STEP UP NOW IF THIS ELKTROMAGNET STRONG YOU MOVE LETS SAY WHIT 200 HZ WHAT WHILL HAPEND IN THE PICK UP COIL
WE ALL KNOW THE POWER IS DEPEND OF HOW IS STRONG MAGNET AND <<,HOW IS MOVING THAT MAGNET , SPEED
IF WE INCREASE THE SPEED AND MAKE LOW ELKTROMAGNET FILD
IF WE INCREASE THE MAGNET FILD AND WE SLOW THE SPEED
THE RESOLTS IS THE SAME
CONCLUTIONS OF THAT I WHILL MAKE HIGH AMPERS ELTROMAGNET FILD WHIT LOW INPUT WATT AND PUSH LITLE FAST THEN 50 HZ
i have read that a few people witnessed Ed Leedskalnin singing to his stones.
i wonder what note that was?
LC
Quote from: buzz-ard on May 20, 2008, 04:15:10 PM
@GK - Just playing around the other night, I started with 50 feet of bailing wire and ended up with about 40 turns, 5" OD, 1 1/8" high, about 3/4" thick. I haven't done the math yet, though - yet another preparatory measure to be taken. Let's compare figures and see if we can work out a ratio that might serve as a reference in estimating these things in different builds.
Later tonight I'm going to secure the new core with zip ties, saw it in quarters, apply a film of lacquer/glue stuff for a little rigidity, then leave one zip tie in the middle of each segment and cut off the others. Winding can happen with a core segment completely inside a sleeve for support, then once the copper coils are wound the core segment can be moved and the final assembly should be fairly stable. So my pea brain says.
Shirt cardboard for the sleeve is an excellent suggestion, and I do plan to make it sorta loose but with enough friction to hold it all in place. The curve aspect shouldn't be so bad, as many shirt collar forms are already curved. Guess I need to visit Needless Markup for some project materials...
I found something interesting. I pull the iron bundle right out of the package and it slips right into a 3/4 od - 5/8 id clear vinyl tubing after slicing and opening in the bundle. I can wrap right over the tubing.
But,
That presupposes the 4" inch diam is one of the parameters like your 5" diam.
I have the tubing cut at a quarter of the ring circumference to wind on.
The idea here is to see the mechanical side first. All the materials fell right into place and are incredibly inexpensive, $8.00. So that lends itself to a spreadsheet of parametrical adjustment of the variables that control the behavior.
And then it hit me! The 5khz is the area where the declining magnetic wave in the iron is tunable or pumpable! I am taking off Friday, tomorrow, to pursure this further. The PMH is not built with this frequency band or tuning in mind. Once you wind, your done. We all know this. But I was able to effect the iron mag field with a pulse wave. As sloppy and adhoc throw together this build was it now produces many answers just by flipping object sets around.
Still have to do calculations.
More heterodyning with light waves:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TJM-47YXV8M-8&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=addb2ff77150f50de452e1f94ad32850
--giantkiller.
28awg Turns = 217 @ 2 3/4 length @ 3/4" diameter = 511.294 inches or 42 ft.
215.734uH @ .005Mhz = 4.7Uf for LC tank resonance.
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/LC-Resonance-Calculator.phtml
The mechanical side of the design dictates the LC and frequency parameters. I can alter the operation by changing the frequency and matching capacitor. If I wanted to start off with the freqency then the coil by itself would be a different size.
I will try sines also.
SM stated snipping very small ends of wires off. Ouch.
--giantkiller.
@GK - This is an edit of my original post, since you posted your calculations while I was writing this. Good call on the tubing. Observing the mechanical aspects of each build has taught me much also. And thanks for the calculator link - that should prove very handy. I had a similar eureka moment when I realized the correlation between size/windings/frequency - everyone's thinking is converging, it seems. I really believe we're on the right path.
I ended up doing things a little differently that I had originally planned. I haven't had alot of luck with completely round core bundles, so I changed my mind on this part. The 5" diameter didn't feel good, mainly because smaller diameter means higher frequencies. Plus, I'm trying real hard to stick more or less to the patent, and the core is shown there as being tall and skinny. I opted against plastic tubing since I want my primary windings to be as close to the core material as possible. It's hard to scale a conceptual patent drawing, so I made a guess that a good replica of 381970 might be 6 or 7 inches if wound as drawn using moderate-size wire. I began by making my quarters the hard way last night (I'm running way behind this week). I measured 24" of wire 50 times (it was a 100' bundle). Then I cut each at the 6" mark, yielding 200 quarter-circle segments. Tonight I hope to bundle these segments together in a shape like the patent shows (3x21 as drawn, I'll actually end up with 2 outer layers of 17 strands and one center layer of 16 strands). I'm taking photos - see the latest at http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/ (http://www.randallsteward.com/TPU/), last link.
SM's snipping of wire ends, the way I remember it, involved tuning his delay coil. I've played with removing one turn at a time but I don't want to think about doing too much snipping. Ouch indeed.
I don't know if you are following Pauldude000's thread at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4454 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4454), but he's moving along a similar path. Paul's a sharp guy; he's been keeping me stoked for several weeks now. It's worth keeping an eye on things over there as we go along.
@GK,
Always nice to read your great results!! :)
Did you mean something like this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get67
Greetings Rene
More to come.
Quote from: Spider on May 22, 2008, 04:47:02 PM
@GK,
Always nice to read your great results!! :)
Did you mean something like this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get67
Greetings Rene
More to come.
QuoteThe sine wave circuit that Bolt showed me to produce for the heterodyning experiment was the key to the whole mystery. This has been working for a year and the results are still conclusive.
1: You push at the right frequency. A reciprocal pressure returns.
2: The dc with the ac hash is the DC polarized field with the ac being the resonant frequency pressure on top. You create tidal waves.
3: The rotational field can be seen in alot of places. Alot have shown the vortex aka the RMF. The water and wind based storms.
I and IS created a rotation audio pressure by heterodyning. At the right mix it is created from the applied pressures.
This was an environmental expample. Pretty simple.
4: I switched back to square waves to see the difference in the applied pressures.
5: With square waves applied, when the ring starts, or the ramping up, the high speed edges of the pulse present a brick wall to the returning reflection. This is an abrupt force by multiplication. The scopes, the amp meters, the dogs all go flying. Ever do a belly flop? Was that usefull? What be a better way for a transistion?
6: The thump, thump, thump, is the ramp up and control just before over run.
7: Why sine waves? Smooth pressure to keep the energy at lower reactive levels compatible with copper, steel or iron conductors. The tidal wave against the wall just causes it to fly off. Pressure the force in complete balance with the reciprocal motion. Heterodyning.
8: The audio produced standing waves. The distance controllable by frequency? Yes and heterodyning too.
Ok so the previous explanations are mix of science, physics, electronics, magnetics and good old fashion 'What makes it tick?'.
I have all these aspects on my bench right now. I have all these aspects previously documented by 1 1/2 years here. I have posted all these aspects by words, explanations, and pictures. Many times over. These aspects were achieved by me doing what others have told me to do. And it all worked.
Am I trying to wreck the party? No. I am saying that the last step is to hook all this together. The last tests have gotten easier due to the fact that most of it all works at the minor levels. When I saw the ramp up, the meter go snapping into overload, the scope get blwon I saw what Otto, Ronotte, the ECD tests showed. The sine wave operation lets you see the kicks from the heterodyning with the whole system. And that can be seen to make useful. The square waves are already fast and noisy. How are you to catch that? Heterodyning with square waves looks like noise.
Heterodyning with 1 frequency. Yep. You can do it slopping in a tub of water. Same speed = same pressure. Speed equals voltage. When the water rises over the lip is where you see the kick. It's afterward, the end of the ramp up, the start of the runaway. IALMAO Now!
The circuitry can handle the ramp up far greater than the pansy ass digital scopes can. So you can only watch it so far. But the cheapy digital VOMs are a great visual fuse. LOL. 100ma, OV, 100ma, OV, 100ma, OV. and so on and so on.
I am hooking more up this weekend. Now don't get me wrong. It has taken alot of builds and that is most unfortunate in some cases. But now I can go to the next step. Seeing is believing. The mantra, so many times, was build, build, build.
Lets stop the old experimentation techniques. Think about playing with waves. Through the conductor (DC) and across the conductor (Sine). We are not using AC here. Everything goes the same way. Atleast that is what I have seen.
Now go get 5 iron nails. Wrap 30awg from rat shack around for 2 inches. Wrap 22awg around that for 1 inch. Build a blocking oscillator with variable frequency. Pulse the outside coil that is connected back through the inside coil either the same way or opposite. Put a scope on it. And check it out! Change the freq till it sings. You now have a starting platform and an incredible insight into cheap ways. Build 3 more and you have a 4 quadrant ring. Or coil wind the nails together end to end with paper insulators. Bend them around to wire the last ends together with paper in the middle. OR take a box of coiled soft 1/4" copper tubing. Don't unwind it. Duct tape to a window. Connect one end to a stun gun. Leave the other end an inch from the other stun gun terminal. You can communicate with animals or airplanes overhead. All the technology is right under our noses.
--giantkiller. Itty, bitty, NT coils.
Yes sir! That is only the pulse and flux flow. The trailing, latent wave expands and collapses creating the heterodyning environment. It is flat on the scope screen and so 'Mono'! But you think 3d anyway and that is a great help to see the static, dynamic, & relational harmony. I posted a similar avi months ago when I thought out the interplay. When I got the waveforms cooperating is then that the bell rung. You can model all day long. But when reality steps in your face the really simplistic answer come forth. Transformer saturation is the dc field. OMG. The pulses or activity is the hash or the feedback. No, really? LOL. The first setup I did is when the ramp up went 'ting, ting, ting', then 'woop,woop,woop', then 'WUMP,WUMP,WUMP'. Ya like that? That was on the scope when the fet blew. I plug in another fet. Turn it on. Same thing. I change the coil config on the iron bars to raise the load. Turn it on. That was the last scope shot series I posted. I repeat
'I raised the load'. This would be equivalent to squelching the ramping activity to deter runaway. I am going back all over this again. I now have a simple physical model that, in my mind, sets the stage for the next steps.
I ask all attending 'What else could the ramp up to runaway mean?'. 'Where are the other clear answers?'. The management is a form of current / load control. The coils being the internal generator load not the external load.
OBTW. Increase the current to get the field into the center of the ring so the waves collide. It helps the activity. ;) I posted that 20 months ago. For the newbies, this is the 3rd server. The first really crashed. Backups had to be recalled. Things are missing.
--giantkiller.
What kinda load are you going to drive? Oscilliscope shots are so meaningless to the layman. Maybe a huge neon :) sign saying
"GET YOUR FREE ENERGY HERE"
Hope your smiling GK cause I am. Your wife should get a kick out of it too.
Love you brother from another mother
@ GK take a bow!! it over now.... go on and take a bow ;D
well found a kool vid on youtube thought i would share it
nope not me in this vid 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vch5_9T4lo0
tpu related hummm...
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@GK
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I am going to catch the kick. It is at end of the ramp up which is over the supply voltage and which is the start of the runaway condition. Then use it as a pulse on another part of the coil. My idea of a delay is to fire the first coil 'A' to drive the ring in a Clockwise direction. Take that kick 'A' and pulse the preceding coil 'B' which is in the Counterclockwise position and so on to coi 'C' which fires 'A'. So looking down on the ring each coil is driven to produce a Clockwise thrust on the ring while the each coil drives the preceding coil. The thrust is pointed in the Clockwise direction while the coil sequencing is done in the Coounterclockwise direction. Can you see the vortex? Rotational pressure to create accumulative wave structure through heterodyning. Shweet!
The GK-E2Lego-PMH is a plug and play solution to this model.
Follow the trigger arrows and one can readily see how the coil the triggers the previous coil to get a flux pulse pushed up behind itself. Cannon balls. The kicker wave ends up in the center of the ring successively forming a swirling Rodin type Moire pattern. Even more heterodyning. No wonder the thing runs away. It scares itself to death. :D
--giantkiller. My best birthday yet is on Sunday.
@ GK
So in this configuration where would you be able to extract translatory energy that it can be used for doing work?
The starting point for this model was to get the runaway. Now I am going produce runaway on 1 coil to set the triggering in sequence. It is just a matter of running wires.
I did 1 coil before but didn't see this extended configuration before. The whole ring has to sequence trigger. Each coil cannot produce power but the whole does it in sequential cohesive timing. The ramp up is the starting point. All the builders that blew fets before are so close. I thought is was a problem. :D It was a blessing in disguise.
I go to wire this up fully. I fixed my digital scope. Got 2 channels back. And Otto's suggestion of just laying the probe on the side of the circuit is pure genuis. Of course, he learned the hard way too.
Up to this point I have squarewaves and made a step forward.
Future configurations are sinewaves, 50hz, steel instead of iron (the last stage of a stun gun is wrapped steel), multiple ring layers. I am thinking of keeping the ramp-up at or below the VCC level. This would do well in a stacked layer. Mobiused before like the GK4 but this with magnetic fields and induction instead of all the layers connected by wire. I have enough spooled coils to use a readers. Probably any rat shack spool will do from what I've seen. ;D
--giantkiller. I wonder if this time will it be safer? :o
man you guys are making things complicated.
Quote from: sparks on May 23, 2008, 10:14:04 AM
@ GK
So in this configuration where would you be able to extract translatory energy that it can be used for doing work?
One thing I saw I believe is cold energy is The irf840 are maxed at 8 amps. The meter spends all it measuring moments in overload which is 10amps max. The fet is only warm to the touch. Go figure. Another small indicator of what was apperent but not. I can also doulble up or parallel quad the fets.
I test with 2 to 4 amps with this strange waveform. I then go bigger in successive steps. I got 30 irf840-s. And the volt meter on my atv battery reads negative even though it is connected positive.
There will be more results today.
--giantkiller. I have seen too many complimentary things with this set up.
@GK
Armageddon is right. It's a little overkill to demonstrate free energy.
Instead of just looking at the ouput with a high impedance device like a battery or an oscilliscope a small electric motor or a number of light bulbs says so much more. Think outside the box brother I know you have what it takes. The tpu ain't worth shit if all it does is runaway with itself.
That is true.
The basis for what I have is Otto's 1 wire coil tests.
--giantkiller. I am simply pulling from the past.
hey GK thanks for that wiring diagram :)
There has been alot of attention given to getting the kick. Where has the effort been to use the kick correctly? In my recollection, there has been none along these lines.
No power out by this avenue.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: armagdn03 on May 23, 2008, 10:31:44 AM
man you guys are making things complicated.
yep keep it simple...
i found other videos of intrest too
1 by the same user as the last showing you how to send the output to a coil....
and another talking about somthing im gonna use on my hho cell ;D
a step down capitiance transformer that dont get hot ... ;)
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ill fetch the links when i get a chance
Quote from: giantkiller on May 23, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
That is true.
The basis for what I have is Otto's 1 wire coil tests.
--giantkiller. I am simply pulling from the past.
So true young engineer.
hey i found this link
i orginally thought it was the same user as the last link i posted of the "STRANGE ELECTRICTY" but infact i was wrong it is another user ;D ;D 8)
pay att to this vid..... ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vch5_9T4lo0
and here is another vid this is dealing with a cap tranny ;D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sjtwZwBaprc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49iwl-GsYaA
enjoy
i hope bells are ringggging now
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YEP!
if i could mod my own posts i wouldnt have to fill this thred with junk
oops here is the vid i wanted to post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dirTPQPJxMI&feature=related
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There has been alot of attention given to getting the kick. Where has the effort been to use the kick correctly? In my recollection, there has been none along these lines.
No power out by this avenue.
--giantkiller.
my very first post. Hello all. Firstly I love all you guys for speaking out with ideas and of course GK for getting the work done.
I have to agree with Sparks, this thing acts just like a GEET FUEL reactor rod.
There we have hot exhaust going against cold fuel this creates a magnetic field but only if the rod contains iron. The venturi causes the fuel vapor to accelerate to the speed of sound this also causes an unstability in the vapor and alows the molecule to split appart to become HHO.
I have always thought that the speed of sound had something to do with it, SM was an audio guy so everyone keeps saying, and there is a huge amount of energy released when this barrier is broken.
another thought is water freezes at 0 degrees celcius
water boils at 100 degrees celcius
water is most dense at 4 degrees celcius
the human body 90 % water is healthiest at 37 degrees celcius
37 - 4 =33
7.3 hz - 4 = 3.3
also check out the water vapor compression and shape on utube breaking the sound barrier.
IT apeares that to extract plasma from gas or vapor most efficiently you need the speed of sound you need a magnetic( or plasma) field and inertia.
So to extract plasma from the magnetic field of the earth which is already a plasma field you would need a stronger plasma (magnetic) field with inertia colapsing or rotating at speed of sound.
another thought what if the center of the earth was really the north pole and the equator really the south pole then the sunlight would run righthand twist against the ether and create a magnetic or plasma field that would hold a bar magnet on the surface of the earth north to south as we know. Same at night but only when ONE of our nth or south magnets started to run left hand twist then the bar magnet would start to spin. Maybe up to Mac 1 :D
Interresting!
So if I calculate the speed of a magnetic field spinning at a 15 cm ring at mach 1:
diameter 0,15 m
circumference 0,47 m
speed of sound 340 m/s
rps 721,5
rpm 43290
Greetings Rene
Quote from: Spider on May 25, 2008, 11:24:19 AM
Interresting!
So if I calculate the speed of a magnetic field spinning at a 15 cm ring at mach 1:
diameter 0,15 m
circumference 0,47 m
speed of sound 340 m/s
rps 721,5
rpm 43290
Greetings Rene
Speed of sound in metal is very different from speed of sound in air, so the frequency should be a lot higher - 10857 Hz for iron. But for acoustic effects using a piezo-buzzer is more efficient. By running piezo-buzzer at that resonant frequency you will create a kind of singularity - a point of constant high mechanical energy non-equilibrium (there will be two such points on the ring, obviously). In fact, running piezo-buzzer for just 1 second will be roughly equal to injecting impulse energy into a single point with several thousands alike buzzers at once. I would speculate that this may produce overheating conditions together with a possible break of iron (if its structural resonance is met). Another possibilities is that this singularity will distort electro-magnetic fields running around this iron ring badly since acoustic waves have strong influence over atomic bonds and so they will likely to produce a kind of constant "shrinkage" of these bonds that again is a non-equilibrium which may lead to some non-linear effects: think about sono-luminescence.
Addition to the above written:
Generally, the following mode may be useful: piezo-buzzer should produce a constant sinewave of resonant frequency (10857 Hz or whatever suits best for a given metal/circumference). This sinewave should be interrupted (muted) for short periods of time. So, you'll need two frequency generators - the first one is sinewave and the second should produce varying duty cycle square wave which is used as gate for sinewave output.
This should provide pretty powerful EM impulses. The reason I'm thinking this way is that from what I've been told in the past, a simple fracture of a metallic wire (as a result of mechanical stretch) produces a measurable EM impulse, and that is considered pretty "strange".
In the simplest form it may look like an iron ring with a piezo-buzzer glued to it with epoxy. Buzzer's output side should point right into the metal. It is best if ring's circumference is matched to buzzer's self resonant frequency: this way it will be possible to pump in more energy per second (just remember that iron will ring for a pretty long time thus accumulating acoustic energy and entering into saturation and high non-linearity). Buzzer's obnoxious sound in this setup can be well isolated just by wrapping the ring and the buzzer into something rubbery (even an electrical insulation will help) - and this of course won't damage the required performance much (I mean internal acoustic energy accumulation).
Well, I hardly believe something "extra" will show-up here, but if we are talking about acoustical nature of the TPU, it should be explainable in a way close to what I wrote. Moreover, the effect should be replicatable with a piezo-buzzer: it's insane to try to achieve the same performance with EM induction: you can, but you'll waste a lot of energy.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 23, 2008, 10:09:16 AM
I am going to catch the kick. It is at end of the ramp up which is over the supply voltage and which is the start of the runaway condition. Then use it as a pulse on another part of the coil. My idea of a delay is to fire the first coil 'A' to drive the ring in a Clockwise direction. Take that kick 'A' and pulse the preceding coil 'B' which is in the Counterclockwise position and so on to coi 'C' which fires 'A'. So looking down on the ring each coil is driven to produce a Clockwise thrust on the ring while the each coil drives the preceding coil. The thrust is pointed in the Clockwise direction while the coil sequencing is done in the Coounterclockwise direction. Can you see the vortex? Rotational pressure to create accumulative wave structure through heterodyning. Shweet!
The GK-E2Lego-PMH is a plug and play solution to this model.
Follow the trigger arrows and one can readily see how the coil the triggers the previous coil to get a flux pulse pushed up behind itself. Cannon balls. The kicker wave ends up in the center of the ring successively forming a swirling Rodin type Moire pattern. Even more heterodyning. No wonder the thing runs away. It scares itself to death. :D
--giantkiller. My best birthday yet is on Sunday.
Hi GK,
I'm not an electrical person by any stretch of the imagination, but I do fairly well with design and form.
When I 1st saw your diagram for coil driving, the 1st thing I thought of was this attached pic.
I'm not overly religious, but I have enough of a background in Christianity to have recognized the almost universal trinity symbol.
It's little coincidences like this that makes me think that a lot of discovery, is rediscovery and the clues have been around us all the time.
Congratulations on your "kick" sir, and I hope your future experiments go well and safely.
I'll probably be paying a little more attention to this thread now ;)
I diagd the trinary. But with the plug n play E2lego here I just snapped together a quad. 2 iron wire half circles, 4 coils, 2 magnets. Like Spider showed. With 4 coils the iron is heavily covered. I will use the xr2206 board, then the 555s. Just to see the difference. I am in the middle of something right now but will be on this later.
The requirements are sines, squares 1 hz to 20khz. The mix of iron, copper, and steel have responded the best. I followed what some had posted about the materials. The iron model is the GK4 cut in half vertically. Now following the driving specs by still other posters to see what can be proven.
With the e2lego system It is like having a coil prototyping system. I just kept flipping parts around and then wham!. Now there is no mystery. One can only learn to swim with water. I got water. I am waiting for someone else to build. This has been the quickest build yet.
So this first setup will be 2 iron halves, then add the iron bars, then add the air gaps.
And for major grins I coil drive only 1 iron half.
I basically am backtracking through the configurations because they all provided results. Better each time.
--giantkiller.
Hi Everyone,
I'll be joining in shortly. I couldn't find any steel for my core but I got lots
of other stuff today. Can't wait to get started. I got lots of goodies today.
About $300 and more to go I'm sure ;D
Brad
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@bhaas,
Hi, the steel wire comes from Hobby Lobby back in the bead and jewelry making. It is white or red. Just get a magnet pack from another aisle to test. Cheap too, .99 cents for 50 feet ;D
I used the 22awg with the steel on the empty spools. But don't want to turn you away from any derivations of what you have in mind. Have fun.
--giantkiller.
Hi GK,
I'll get the steel. I went to Harbor Freight for the steel welding wire
I wanted but they didn't carry it anymore. I already got piles of magnets
and wire ;D
I'm gonna check out my scope and see if it still works. I'm not to good
with it but I'll get it figured out. I may be asking some dumb questions
here real soon, so please bear with me :)
Speaking of dumb questions, I got one right now. I have a function generator
and the output is next to nothing. Are they suppose to be like that? Do I need
some kind of small amp for it? I got lots of 555 timers and transistors to blow up.
which I know how to hook up and run. But the FG seems so much easier.
I almost bought the PIC programmer they had at RatShack, but the PIC was
soldered to the board. Even though I don't know how to program it but it can't
be that hard and I have obscene amounts of time to learn so that's not a prob.
Well anyways, time to check out the scope and get the show on the road.
Brad
I have a simpson fg. I doesn't drive a load either. I got mine off of ebay. I think I got ripped. the TTL diminished under load. The sinewave has slight peaks. Oh well. google xr2206 kits. Build one then you're good to go. I built 3 and have 12 xr2206 chips extra. Once you get set up, you fly.
I got pic, arduino, atmel programmers too. All the apps you need are in online libraries. Shouldn't have to do much.
Your scope looks heavy duty.
--giantkiller.
Hi GK,
Do you mean heavy duty as in "Door Stop?" I have some scope vids
I watched and 1 channel seems to be toast. Couldn't test volts on a
AA 1.5V Bat. on chan A. And my FG is a POS and I bought both off e-Bay.
And they're both junk. I hate it when that happens. As you can see in these
pics the wave on the scope is all I get from the FG. I turn all the knobs and
the wave stays the same.
But on the bright side, I can blow up the last channel on the scope and not
worry about it. I guess I'll be buying another one. Probably off e-bay.
If at first you don't succeed, try again. ;D
I'll look up that kit to. Might as well get one or 3.
What's the best ATMEL programmer? Thanks.
I just looked up that kit. For $10 more I can get it already assembled.
http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/meas/fg500k.htm
I think I'll just get one. Have you blown any of these up? Do you drive
mosfets with it?
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what i was getting at with the water coment is that vortexing water traps ether. the temperature change would effect the amount traped.
the human body lives everyday within these forces where your kick is coming from, and it will only need to change your body tem by a few degrease up or down and your a dead man. :(
friendly frequencies ay! :)
First post here. Have been lurking and reading for a couple of months now. Interesting stuff.
I do have some knowledge of ultrasound so will add my 2 cents worth.
@Aleks
Ultrasound velocity in steel is around 5920 metres/sec as a longitudinal wave and around 3400 m/s as a transverse wave. It won?t travel around a steel ring but will bounce around the inside reflecting off the sides, the energy will be attenuated in the process. If you do want the sound to travel around the ring (bounce around) it would be possible to do so from the outside circumferential surface not from the face as per your drawing. A ?normal? transducer in the location indicated would bounce the beam backward and forwards thru the side of the ring.
But I don?t see how anything useful could come from ultrasound this way, unlike what may happen with magnetic flux in a PMH, ultrasound attenuates significantly.
Regards R
Quote from: Roaster35 on May 26, 2008, 07:03:53 AM@Aleks
Ultrasound velocity in steel is around 5920 metres/sec as a longitudinal wave and around 3400 m/s as a transverse wave. It won?t travel around a steel ring but will bounce around the inside reflecting off the sides, the energy will be attenuated in the process. If you do want the sound to travel around the ring (bounce around) it would be possible to do so from the outside circumferential surface not from the face as per your drawing. A ?normal? transducer in the location indicated would bounce the beam backward and forwards thru the side of the ring.
But I don?t see how anything useful could come from ultrasound this way, unlike what may happen with magnetic flux in a PMH, ultrasound attenuates significantly.
While I agree that transducer positioning offered by me may not be optimal, I do think that even such positioning will push the wave around the ring. One may use vertical ring or square-profile ring for better results.
I do not agree with your using of term 'ultra-sound'. Proposed frequency lies in the audible range, and that guarantees that no considerable attenuation will be taking place (it's too low to be attenuated considerably, especially in a non-viscous substance). It is also important to note that iron couples to air badly and that means energy transmission from iron to air will be minimal (tuning fork is ringing for long even being coupled to a wooden resonator).
And of course I was talking about "inside" ringing and longitudal waves mainly: there is little sense in having energy go outside the ring.
@bhaas,
I have. but not strong enough. Checkout the xr2206 spec sheet. You need an interface buffer between. lm324 will work if you have opamp experience.
http://www.flixxy.com/helicopter-cable-inspector.htm
--giantkiller.
While I agree that transducer positioning offered by me may not be optimal, I do think that even such positioning will push the wave around the ring. One may use vertical ring or square-profile ring for better results.
I do not agree with your using of term 'ultra-sound'. Proposed frequency lies in the audible range, and that guarantees that no considerable attenuation will be taking place (it's too low to be attenuated considerably, especially in a non-viscous substance). It is also important to note that iron couples to air badly and that means energy transmission from iron to air will be minimal (tuning fork is ringing for long even being coupled to a wooden resonator).
And of course I was talking about "inside" ringing and longitudal waves mainly: there is little sense in having energy go outside the ring.
maybee this should be considered on another new thread aleks if you lead the way i will follow.
the speed of a magnetic field can only reach mac 1 apparently so we are talking air not iron. Vortexing air carries moisture, water vapour it is this that starts the traping of the ether (plasma, magnetic) field.
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Well I tried to make a simple one and screwed that up.
My speaker wire wasn't stranded like I thought it was, but
I didn't figure that out till my third coil I wound so I winding.
Long story short, I got nothing out nowhere. I started with 9v
at 3.75khz and no volts anywhere. I might have wound them
wrong to begin with. I used 12' of wire, folded that in half and
started winding. Would that cancel out everything?
Here's a pic.
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What you have there is what alot of other people have done.
I don't wind back and forth. Wind in one direction then 1 loop back and wind again. And yes you have a coiled mess there. Think about the pulses go only 1 way. Check out Tesla ionizer circut 568177 and the 382282 patent. In fact, read all of his patents. That is cheaper than buying equipment.
If you can't dig deep with your mind, then you're just making doorbell circuits. And that is a waste of time.
You could clip the loop at the end, tie the pairs together and get 2 coils. But they still go back and forth. Slow down. All the stupid stuff has been done already.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: aleks on May 26, 2008, 08:39:54 AM
While I agree that transducer positioning offered by me may not be optimal, I do think that even such positioning will push the wave around the ring. One may use vertical ring or square-profile ring for better results.
I do not agree with your using of term 'ultra-sound'. Proposed frequency lies in the audible range, and that guarantees that no considerable attenuation will be taking place (it's too low to be attenuated considerably, especially in a non-viscous substance). It is also important to note that iron couples to air badly and that means energy transmission from iron to air will be minimal (tuning fork is ringing for long even being coupled to a wooden resonator).
And of course I was talking about "inside" ringing and longitudal waves mainly: there is little sense in having energy go outside the ring.
You are quite right. I didn?t read the frequency correctly, it is right in the audible range.
However the longitudinal wave will not be pushed (directly) around the ring it will bounce between the face the transducer is attached to and the backwall of the ring which is perpendicular to the sound beam. As the beam is conical it will bounce around the ring between the 2 parallel faces. Think ring shaped room and bouncing a ball from floor to ceiling.
And yes there is less attenuation with lower frequencies. Typically the probes I use are 4 ? 5MHz. But for some applications as low as 1MHz usually for coarser grained materials like cast iron.
I do understand that for the sound (or ultrasound) to be introduced into any suitable material a couplant is needed. Be that a gel, oil, water or glue or other.
Just so you know where I am coming from ? I spend a few hundred hours a year with an ultrasound probe in my hand.
Still not sure how any of this would apply to a TPU type device.
Kindest regards
R
Quote from: giantkiller on May 26, 2008, 08:43:30 PM
What you have there is what alot of other people have done.
I don't wind back and forth. Wind in one direction then 1 loop back and wind again. And yes you have a coiled mess there. Think about the pulses go only 1 way. Check out Tesla ionizer circut 568177 and the 382282 patent. In fact, read all of his patents. That is cheaper than buying equipment.
If you can't dig deep with your mind, then you're just making doorbell circuits. And that is a waste of time.
You could clip the loop at the end, tie the pairs together and get 2 coils. But they still go back and forth. Slow down. All the stupid stuff has been done already.
--giantkiller.
That coil I made was a joke. After reading Patent 382282 I have a much better
picture of what's going on. But I had to start somewhere till the light bulb in my head
comes on. So wrapping diametrically-opposite coils on an iron core of insulated
iron wire like you had done earlier is my next plan. Thanks.
Quote from: Roaster35 on May 26, 2008, 11:31:24 PMStill not sure how any of this would apply to a TPU type device.
I have offered a clue: an unconnected wire the moment it splits apart produces EM impulse. So, at first you produce a very strong standing wave in iron (that may almost cut it in half), then remove this standing wave (by stopping acoustical stimulation for a moment): the iron is likely to behave like being splitted and rejoined. Of course, you have to "lock" into a resonant frequency or there will be nothing fancy at all happening. That's my idea at least. It was said many times that TPU audibly buzzes and the buzz can be felt. While all transformers have alike buzzing performance, we are still left with an option that buzzing may be produced purposely by mechanical means - not as induction's side product.
Quote from: bhaas on May 27, 2008, 01:37:57 AM
That coil I made was a joke. After reading Patent 382282 I have a much better
picture of what's going on. But I had to start somewhere till the light bulb in my head
comes on. So wrapping diametrically-opposite coils on an iron core of insulated
iron wire like you had done earlier is my next plan. Thanks.
You will see a pattern of winding ratio if you look at the coils that work or produce high energy.
If you use steel, air, copper core then the windings have to overlap.
If you iron, and or airgap then coils sit side by side and not the windings on the same core. The magnet effort will show up on the secondary. The winding ratio is up to you. With or without respect to resonance. But resonance works the best.
Simple transformer stuff. This is what I've seen.
I swapped out my 555s for xr2206. I need to add a buffer stage to drive the irf840. More coming in the mail.
I put together a quad coil GKe2legoPMH with no air gap, all coils are 1:1. The starting ramp up signature is still in the waveform. This represents the most basic of setup even thought the configuration looks complex. I am going to put in air gaps next.
I also am going to hook the coils to see-saw the winding ratios. 1:4 or 4:1 Clip-on, clip-off!
--giantkiller. This like playing with kid toys.
Quote from: aleks on May 27, 2008, 02:30:37 AM
I have offered a clue: an unconnected wire the moment it splits apart produces EM impulse. So, at first you produce a very strong standing wave in iron (that may almost cut it in half), then remove this standing wave (by stopping acoustical stimulation for a moment): the iron is likely to behave like being splitted and rejoined. Of course, you have to "lock" into a resonant frequency or there will be nothing fancy at all happening. That's my idea at least. It was said many times that TPU audibly buzzes and the buzz can be felt. While all transformers have alike buzzing performance, we are still left with an option that buzzing may be produced purposely by mechanical means - not as induction's side product.
Does the standing wave enjoy being moved? How does it reacte? I have not seen this talked about. It if it hits solid matter does it react or perform like a mini tidal wave? Think about that.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
I love your E2Lego idea! Hope they dont read this in Denmark LOL :D:D
I made some more ani's, glad you like them.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get70
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get71
Why?? Just because I can....I know, I know, when will the fun ever stop??
greetings Rene
hi
TO @ J.D
I LIKE TO ANSFERI IF YOU KNOW ABOUT BIG TPU SOMETHING
ALL BIG TPU HAVE A FLAT WIRE AROUND ALL I THING HAS ABOUT 90 TURNS
HOW YOU CAN EXPLANE THIS FLAT WIRE THERE IS <<THAT A CONTROL COIL OR >
i thing is like tesla prymary coil but in ferth ring core
thanks
MAC.......
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on May 27, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
hi
TO @ J.D
I LIKE TO ANSFERI IF YOU KNOW ABOUT BIG TPU SOMETHING
ALL BIG TPU HAVE A FLAT WIRE AROUND ALL I THING HAS ABOUT 90 TURNS
HOW YOU CAN EXPLANE THIS FLAT WIRE THERE IS <<THAT A CONTROL COIL OR >
i thing is like tesla prymary coil but in ferth ring core
thanks
MAC.......
I have not seen the flat wire on the big tpus. But I like the idea. The outside wire we have assumed to be lamp wire with very little turns. Well that makes is copper. We have all seen Tesla coils made like that. Copper against copper is very nasty at the right frequencies.
The attached file is dated 2007-05-02. Notice the pulse matches the last banger of a scope shot. Been here since a while.
This graphic was done exactly 5 months to the day when the GK4 was fired as of 2007-01-02. Looks like 12 months ago really.
Mannix's response was 'Nice pulse'.
What I plan to do next is slowly widen the off time of the pulse to see where the interaction reverb dies off. That will be the cutoff parameter to diminish the ringing. The additive pulse goes higher the longer one waits while the echo is the ramp. I saw this go once and the fet blew.
This is the arena I am going to play with at the moment. The cutoff looks like a freqency shift. You can't kill it all the way or the ramp up has to take place all over again. I pushed away from the bench for time to ponder and sift out only the pertainent factors.
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--giantkiller. Concerned about safety.
Heterodyning. Connecting your mind to itself.
http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/download/
http://www.lightwithin.com/SomaEnergetics/2Solfeggio_frequencies.htm
--giantkiller.
Hi GK,
Thanks for the help. I bought some steel insulated 22ga wire.
I noticed in the pic on page 40 you cut yours in half and put magnets
in between the ends. Is that a good way to go? Before I unwind (untangle)
my wire, do you have any suggestions how I should wind it? Also, what gauge
did you use on page 40?
Cutting the core IMO would definitely be easier to slide the already wound
plastic cores of wire on the core. But I have no prob winding by hand. I just
want a good working baseline to learn on and don't want to repeat the stupid
stuff thats already been done. Thanks.
Brad
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200mv / grat.
I am not worried about the lack power but interested in the waveform.
I have the secondary/steel of coil 'A' crossed coupled to the previous coil 'B' primary/copper to 'C' to 'D' same.
I uncrossed the coupling and this produces the same waveform but inverted only 2/3rds height.
Next I am going hook secondaries in series groups and the primaries in parallel.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 27, 2008, 11:00:54 PM
200mv / grat.
I am not worried about the lack power but interested in the wavform.
I have the secondary/steel of coil 'A' crossed coupled to the previous coil 'B' primary/copper to 'C' to 'D' same.
I uncrossed the coupling and this produces the same waveform but inverted only 2/3rds height.
Next I am going hook secondaries in series groups and the primaries in parallel.
--giantkiller.
@GK
That answered another one of my questions. I got a some more ;D
I'm reading the 382282 and was wondering if Tesla connected the 2 ends
of coiled steel wire or did he leave them unconnected?
I fully understand the mechanics of the diagrams and his descriptions of how
to build what's illustrated. Another question I have is whats the plan to keep
one of these running on it's own?
As for the "flow" of electricity. I'm stumped on that one. Does + goto - or ?
Which is best to pulse with? + or -
What about using a DPDT relay and have it running as fast as it'll go on its own
and pulse +- at the same time or have it alternating +- on each throw.
Either or. Try both I guess. I'm thinking that give it a good kick.
I remember reading something about reed switches. Hmmmm.
As you can probably tell I'm no EE but I'll get it as I go, and once I get going
I'll pick it up fast. But all things mechanical, no prob. ;D
Brad
with the GEET FUEL system the reactor rod floats around and centers itself to where the best reaction can take place. Self aligns
With the TPU it self aligns or couples to the EM field of the earth.
The kick comes from the EM field of the TPU catching or moving at the same speed as the EM field of the earth. The EM field of the earth through air is mac 1 this speed can be achieved by the amount of voltage pulsed relevent to the circmference size of the TPU relevant to the material (wire ) used to carry the pulse.
I think the frequency or at least one of the frequencies need to be self floating
On SM s tpu the voltage on the output fluctuated probably because the magnetic input is constantly changing and the TPU is continualy having to retune to the new flux lines.
The earth is a perpetual motion holder continualy holding perpetual motion due to the energy from the sun. But it looses 6.25 days per 360 degrease. The moon holds perpetual motion around the earth But looses 1 hr per day.
I think that to hold perpetual motion with a TPU we need to allow for the fact that everything is consatantly changing.
Just a thought
Quote from: giantkiller on May 27, 2008, 12:46:04 PMDoes the standing wave enjoy being moved? How does it reacte? I have not seen this talked about. It if it hits solid matter does it react or perform like a mini tidal wave? Think about that.
In this particular setup standing wave won't move as long as resonant frequency is maintained (microphone is good for locking into it - this was discussed in the JD thread). So, you may drop this device to ground and that won't affect the system - maybe only cause a little transient (due to small metal deformation and thus shift of resonant frequency).
Standing waves are not actually "standing". They are just points in space where acoustic (kinetic) waves interfere, with each interfering wave having its own vector.
For best results it's better to use square wave signal to drive the piezo-transducer: this way the standing wave region will be very sharp: and of course, additional standing waves will appear on the circumference. So, two square wave gens are needed: both should have 50% duty cycle. The "resonating" square wave should be tuned to resonant frequency of the ring, and the gating square wave's frequency can be chosen arbitrarily.
Following the JD thread discussion, another option is to use a strong electromagnet placed in the center of the iron ring circumference: such electromagnet can be used to drive iron ring into resonance instead of using piezo transducer: this is less energy-efficient, but is probably more rewarding to the ear (piezo transducers are very fatiguing to listen to since they are overly directional).
Maybe gating is not necessary, at all.. I'm just trying to justify audio spectrum analysis of SM's video: there were at least two frequency distances: 200 Hz and 1100 Hz: all harmonics were apart by these numbers.
Or how about this? Let's fight fire with fire.
By putting an air gap in we actually physically interface with the flux field of the Earth. Flux is flux. Now we use a coil to strum the flux in the air gap which in turn resonates with the Earth field. Choose the frequency. The iron ring is also the flux antenna.
What I have seen is without the airgap the ringing after the falling edge diminishes. That is the same old tranny turn off signal. Add the air gap and the ringing amplitude ramps up. ;) Pick your point where you want to set the rising edge in the ramp up part of the signal. I will add the airgap back in and then the extra iron bar segments. That is where I was last time. Just plug and play. I even have the digital frequency boards found by Feyman. Oh, the control! 1 freq or heterodyning.
We just drop a pebble in the pond to see the ripples return. 8) ;) 8) ;)
--giantkiller. Same effect, different place.
So if I use a frequency that is dead on resonancy, which is the lowest current setting I could never get the rising edge to hit anywhere else in the ramp up, ringing window. If I jump up or drop down then hit the window elsewhere the current goes up. ;D
So I could use FSK with a alterable center frequency and a controllable window with. Still one frequency. I could use a triangle wave to control a variable or blocking oscillator. Or a saw tooth. Ooh boy. Or just drive it with a triangle wave and see what happens. Could be all the control I need. ;) Or since my affects happen on the trailing edge I could use a ramp up quick off saw tooth. Up, up, up, up, Bam!
--giantkiller. Stuck at work and dreams abound.
Quote from: bhaas on May 27, 2008, 11:29:26 PM
@GK
That answered another one of my questions. I got a some more ;D
I'm reading the 382282 and was wondering if Tesla connected the 2 ends
of coiled steel wire or did he leave them unconnected?
I fully understand the mechanics of the diagrams and his descriptions of how
to build what's illustrated. Another question I have is whats the plan to keep
one of these running on it's own?
As for the "flow" of electricity. I'm stumped on that one. Does + goto - or ?
Which is best to pulse with? + or -
What about using a DPDT relay and have it running as fast as it'll go on its own
and pulse +- at the same time or have it alternating +- on each throw.
Either or. Try both I guess. I'm thinking that give it a good kick.
I remember reading something about reed switches. Hmmmm.
As you can probably tell I'm no EE but I'll get it as I go, and once I get going
I'll pick it up fast. But all things mechanical, no prob. ;D
Brad
Yes, But you won't be able to see the part that is flying through space. It isn't mechanical and it
can kill you.
--giantkiller.
So here I have an even better wave.
31,250 hz, square pulse of 12v, 400ma.
The blank spots are the driving pulse on times. The envelopes are the pulse off times. It can be seen the ringing is greater than the input. My suspicion is the bell shape is because my ring is oblong. ;D Ths has to remedied into a ring for the central position of the waves to react.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 28, 2008, 01:34:06 PM
Yes, But you won't be able to see the part that is flying through space. It isn't mechanical and it can kill you.
--giantkiller.
I'm aware of that. Was doing some high voltage experiments a few years
ago and go hit a few times from back emf going into my plastic push button
switch I was using. I used a plastic rod to push the switch. No more shocks ;D
In this C&P of the Tesla Patent 382282 he mentions the efficiency is increased
by the subdivision. Meaning he cuts it in halves/quarters??? Isn't that what you did
and put mags inbetween the cores? The more I read this the more I figure out.
I should have something done this weekend. I wish I could do this at work ;D
Brad
Quote from: bhaas on May 29, 2008, 01:02:48 AM
I'm aware of that. Was doing some high voltage experiments a few years
ago and go hit a few times from back emf going into my plastic push button
switch I was using. I used a plastic rod to push the switch. No more shocks ;D
In this C&P of the Tesla Patent 382282 he mentions the efficiency is increased
by the subdivision. Meaning he cuts it in halves/quarters??? Isn't that what you did
and put mags inbetween the cores? The more I read this the more I figure out. I know ;)
I should have something done this weekend. I wish I could do this at work ;D It is good to have the space away to think Else you'ld be winding your fingers off.
Brad
The points that I show and the leads to read are actually more productive than spoon feeding pablum. Less questions and faster mind travel.
If you wind the coils on those soon to be empty rat shack spools then the air gap exists in the spool. ;D
The 382282 is in quarters. The gke2lego_pmh is in halves. But when I add the iron segments then I get quarters, kinda. I am still continuing with the NT382282 build. Work smart and produce more. And if this should not be the last step, the results from this build have been the best so far from any thing I have seen. The other builds all lead up to danger. So far this has been just equipment loss. ;)
Dont rush. What you are working on now does produce great artifact. I have not seen these waves before. And they are Jahweh phat!
For all the Christian readers I repeat this. Ask once and receive a thousand fold. It is in this last wave. I pulse in 31khz and get 5mhz! It ramps up. There it is on the scope shot. 'I ring the Bell' exclaims Quasimoto.8)
But it grows!And in regards to the previous post about Gnaural2. Go get it. The brain loves sound. This program heterodynes in your mind!
You want be to happy? Pick a freq. You want to be productive? Pick a freq. You want to produce? Pick a freq. You want to get high? Pick a freq.
Doggy treats for the brain. Avoid the noise.
I am back on the bench tonight. I will raise the 31khz up to 40khz - 50khz. I added coils and did not adjust the input parameters. And put fets in parallel.
--giantkiller. If yer not having fun you're just sluggin' along.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 29, 2008, 11:53:29 AM
The points that I show and the leads to read are actually more productive than spoon feeding pablum. Less questions and faster mind travel.
If you wind the coils on those soon to be empty rat shack spools then the air gap exists in the spool. ;D
The 382282 is in quarters. The gke2lego_pmh is in halves. But when I add the iron segments then I get quarters, kinda. I am still continuing with the NT382282 build. Work smart and produce more. And if this should not be the last step, the results from this build have been the best so far from any thing I have seen. The other builds all lead up to danger. So far this has been just equipment loss. ;)
Dont rush. What you are working on now does produce great artifact. I have not seen these waves before. And they are Jahweh phat!
For all the Christian readers I repeat this. Ask once and receive a thousand fold. It is in this last wave. I pulse in 31khz and get 5mhz! It ramps up. There it is on the scope shot. 'I ring the Bell' exclaims Quasimoto.8) But it grows!
And in regards to the previous post about Gnaural2. Go get it. The brain loves sound. This program heterodynes in your mind!
You want be to happy? Pick a freq. You want to be productive? Pick a freq. You want to produce? Pick a freq. You want to get high? Pick a freq.
Doggy treats for the brain. Avoid the noise.
I am back on the bench tonight. I will raise the 31khz up to 40khz - 50khz. I added coils and did not adjust the input parameters. And put fets in parallel.
I will also try a monostable to see how far the ringing extends to.
--giantkiller. If yer not having fun you're just sluggin' along.
Well I got started when i got home from work. Was winding my core coil
on a 5" dia CD container but didn't notice at first that it had a slight taper
after an hour of fighting that I went to a 5" dia piece of PVC I had. Much
better but hard as hell to get off. I wound that tight.
The wire I got sucks. It's wound on a flat piece of plastic so it has kinks in
it. So now I have kinky cores ;D Both look good, the second one I did is
fatter which is what I wanted.
My hands are killing me from straightening out that wire. Ain't buying that stuff
anymore. I hope. Don't know if I have the heart to cut the one I just finished in
half. But I probably will. Got 2 3/4" neo mags to put in there and they are strong
to. I got a scar to prove it. Damn things come together pretty quick. Also ordered
that FreqGen since my e-Bay one is crap. Got some variacs to play with to. I
think that's what they're called? Glorified switches?
This is gonna be a fun one ;D
Brad
Hey GK,
Have'nt seen any updates lately and just wondered if you are doing O.K. or did you get sucked into the Aether?????
Anyway I truly hope all is well and that you are continuing the quest.
This is one of the most interesting threads here so plz update progress.
A fan,
Carl
ps
I found that you are right concerning the hollow core as a driver but as a pickup it works GREAT!
oops!
last ps was to be directed at Honk...
sorry
Carl
Quote from: casman1969 on June 03, 2008, 12:34:05 PM
Hey GK,
Have'nt seen any updates lately and just wondered if you are doing O.K. or did you get sucked into the Aether?????
Anyway I truly hope all is well and that you are continuing the quest.
This is one of the most interesting threads here so plz update progress.
A fan,
Carl
ps
I found that you are right concerning the hollow core as a driver but as a pickup it works GREAT!
Time to wake up!
With the air gap I reached resonant rise. The spike occcurs right after that
when, and I mean the pulse circuit goes positive which
takes control of the field vectors. The alignment then reports on the scope as we are all used to seeing it. A high pulse. When the pulse goes off the magnetorestriction then takes effect and the circuit rings with external energy.
Its like an array tuning forks. We hit one and the others chime in.
Choke on this. If, whoever reads this does any build at all, this is the one. The mechanical combinations and circuit explainations are all here. This has gone on long enough and now I drop the answer here. I have posted the easy way to build this. An iron bundle with a 26awg rat shack spool. Just like SM said!
Off the shelf.Too many other explainations have followed.
http://www.intalek.com/Papers/Handout3.pdf
Look at the pictures and you will just sh!t yourself. There should be no more questions or any follow on theories. I have done the simple tests. Now I go down in history with a few others that have experienced
magnetoresistrictionOddly enough the document has all the categories ever mentioned here in OU.
The recipe is in the size of the mass, the placement of the airgap, how to drive it, and how the read it. It has all been done before
very simply./b]
This is a very good avenue to go down. ;)
I uploaded the clearer picture. Read the values.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get82
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I greatly applaud GK's success. But I think the main reason WE as a group haven't achieved success is because we have lost our focus. If we re-read the 13 PAGE ATTACHED FILE (MS Word format) containing SM's words & admonitions ( and watch his videos), he mentions 3 Control Windings over the Collector Winding to cause a Rotating Magnetic Field. Remember that he uses the analogy of a GRADUAL "revving up" (or down) like a turbine. He says we can SEE IT on a compass placed in the center. Remember, SM said that modern MICRO CONTROLLERS make things easier. Hmmmmmmmm, why did he mention Programmable Micro Controllers? Let's see.
So far, most of us have been focusing on 3 different Frequencies, BUT, how can 3 frequencies, feeding 3 Control Windings, NOT SYNCHED TOGETHER, cause a Rotating Field. The answer is they CANNOT. How can they? When Freq 1 is rising on the scope, Freq 2 might be falling, & Freq 3 might be at zero. This is feeding continuously conflicting data to the Coils. No, this will not do it my friends. Unless we can rotate the field in synchronization (to Rev it Up), we cannot achieve success.
Plus, why build 3 Levels all at once. Why not build 1 Collector Coil Level with the 3 Control Windings on it to test our circuit with a compass. One level, rather than 3 will at least tell us if we are on the right track. Levels 2 & 3 can be added later after success with Level 1.
The objective is to Fire a Pulse to Coil 1, followed by a Pulse to Coil 2, followed by Pulsing Coil 3, etc, etc, etc, around & around in sync. How can this be best accomplished? I know there are many ways, such as Crystal Controlled Oscillators, Phase locked Loop Circuits, & Micro Controllers. But I can immediately think of 2 ways that would be the easiest using 555 Timers. There are hundreds of schematics on the web for Oscillators, 1 Shots, & Delay Circuits that use 555 Timers.
METHOD 1: How about a Circuit that has four 555 Timers fed from at least 12 Volts. Timer 1 would be the Main Variable Oscillator to adjust the Main Freq. This Timer could feed 3 other 555 Timers configured as One Shots simultaneously in synchronization. The three 555 One Shot Delay Pulse Widths would be configured to output 3 different Pulse Widths IN SYNC!!! This configuration must cause each Coil to be Pulsed SEQUENTIALLY, 1,2,3, around & around & around, in a circle!!!
METHOD 2: Method two is using a Shift Register. One 555 Variable Square Wave Oscillator would feed a Shift Register that would sequentially fire Power Transistors that Fire the 3 Coils.
I don't no what to say... ???
--giantkiller. Google all the names.
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Amazing. Well done!!!
Time to build.
http://www.flixxy.com/magnetic-fields.htm
More resonant rising here. I achieved 80v spikes prior. These are greater that 50v. And at each pulse in the prior test.
Things got hot. Now I need to get the current down by moving to another freq range. So I want resonant ring and rampup. At this step the iron saturates, there is ringing, the ringing then appears at each pulse, and then the freq jitters start. The pulses jitter closer together because the freq want to go up. Oh, yeah! I have seen this artifact numerous times over the last year. So now I need to inflict cooling on the circuit. I am going to be working with current and freq manipulations. I want the jitters to climb in one direction not back and forth. Something to do with my coil and bar configuration. I'll say this again 'I'll find it'.
I burned my hand turning off the power when I grabbed the switch.
--giantkiller. Sweet, eh?
This is how it started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww
Lit 2 leds on resonant coil with funky transformer. It is a safe start.
--giantkiller.
Refer to diode / cap configuration in previous post.
A little configuration change in the leds / caps is all. ;)
Avramenko's plug. http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm
--giantkiller.
GK,
Now you've confused me a bit... Are you trying to use the Averanko plug to provide signal generation?
Regardless, Your findings are extremely exciting and I will be building this in a little while. Meanwhile, I have to do my part to help save America NOW.
We Will be using oil for some time to come and if Americans don't get their heads out of the sand and start drilling NOW, we will have no country left.
This and other sites hold the key to the future if we can only make it to the future. The clock is ticking friends. Write your congressmen and Senators and DEMAND we release the oil we already have.
We do have it and they WON'T pump it?????
Gas soon to go to $8.00 a gallon and it could just as easily be $1.50!!!!!!!
Bush could executive order this but won't.
I'm pushing for a massive march on Washington to get this done with the date to follow soon.
Those of you outside the US will benifit from our actions so stay tuned, we're in for one hell of a ride.
Carl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147
@casman1969,
I was pulling another visual pattern from the Naudin schematic. The end stage of diodes and caps interested me. The neon also is a sparkgap. This also appears at the base of Telsa coils.
The stun gun circuit has this type of combination also.
The potential is built using an oscillator thru a step up transformer till the crossover point. Spark! We use a spark gap to impress a very high potential into a coil to get the desired effect.
The only difference between the Avramenko, telsa coils is the stun gun coil which can be an audio coil.
Avramenko and Telsa coils are parallel while the stun gun coils are 2 stages with cktry in between.
The small SM only drove light bulbs but we never saw sparks. The SM17 drove light bulbs and ac loads. The light buld was a non matched ac load. It needs no special driving. It is just a resistor / small inductor. But the SM 17 drove matched AC loads. The signal has to be correct into an ac device. The invertor does this but it also needs the correct signal in.
SM said he modified the convertor. The SM17 also shot sparks. The invertor was intefaced to this. Steel or iron wound coil to slow the high speed down.
All this leads up to the type of coil and where it is. If you have seen Peter Lindeman's hotel demo, that motor looks very similar to Bill Muller's back yard motor. A rotor spins. Shades of the Bedini motor. This was not first.
What are we doing? CEMF harvesting. Peter's motor isn't that big. Look at the Bedini motor. The 2 magnetic slice past each other. Kick! Same as the stun gun internal spark gap only slower.
Create a spark or CEMF kick, match the coil with the frequency to get the closest thing to 0 current. That is the tuning. Just raise or change the mass balance of the 2 coils for greater output. All SM's coils are flat or low profile telsa coils. Why don't they eject energy into the air? That has to do with the primary to secondary mass ratio and turns are part of that. Put copper against copper at high frequency.
What is the tuned frequency of a ignition coil, a Tesla coil, a stun gun? 5khz to 20khz. Nothing more. I repeat, nothing more! Look :o around and where ever you see Tesla designs that is the freq range. Except for the 60hz grid. Why? Fat copper = high mass. Telsa ran high current and high speed through fat copper and look at the results. :o
The effect comes the inductive CEMF not from the driving circuit. You can spend a helluva lotta time on producing the kick. It doesn't getcha anywhere. It is the CEMF that is the monster kick! The higher the fast impedance kicks in, the more power in the field and not thru the conductors.
Current thru a conductor creates a field. Greater current sends the field farther. Faster current creates radio. Real fast current creates sparks between two terminals. And very fast current jumps across great non-concudictive(?) distances, arcs. Keep the energy in the field and spin it against another field.
What if the SM17 black box has a very high impedance coil in inside? In other words he split the coil in 2 layers. We only see one of the coils of the flat ignition type coil. After all, wires go down into the center. And into the box? We have seen smoke and mirrors, and double speak in that arena before.
Ignition coils, audio coils, Tesla coils, stun gun coils. All driven by the resonant frequency. How big is the potential when the freq is bang on? We are not driving the coil, we are pushing it faster that it can respond. And not in frequency but in resonancy. ;)
You feed the correct frequencies into a coil for resonancy, which lowers the current draw. Hit it with a spark gap and you don't need resonant input. It is just way too fast and the coil spits out energy. The copper mass is highly agitated. See? ;D
--giantkiller. You could fit a 1 shot stun gun in a Cracker Jack prize!
@ Giantkiller
Your last post about CEMF is very close to the Mark I would say - excuse the pun.
I have experimented for a long time with Bedini devices and can create the ringing type waveforms you have recently posted using the iron / copper wire combinations. I am of the opinion having carefully read the various TPU threads over the last year or so that the TPU is a relatively simple device that uses inductive coil discharge into high impedance to generate high voltage that is then transformed down a degree to drive a load. In the process of this the initial power source is rapidly pulse charged on alternative pulses. I have driven 100W lamps from relatively small Nicad batteries using very simple 1:1 air cored transformers at frequencies within the 5 - 20KHz band you mention.
Runaway situations are not uncommon and can be frightening. I have often wondered where the power comes from but have never been able to control them. I have never openly published schematics because they are basically dangerous especially in the hands of innexperienced experimenters. I think even the small SM TPU could pack a deadly punch. The important point is that I do not believe that there is anything particularly complicated in the TPU. All that's needed is an oscillator, coils, drivers and most importantly a power source of very low impedance such as good quality Nicad batteries. The art is in running the load and maintaining the PSU for as long as possible and keeping the whole thing reasonably stable without melting down!
The following is basically what I think the SM TPU setup consists of: Hidden Nicad batteries power a Bedini configured oscillator which uses a bifilar wound 1:1 ferrite cored toroid transformer. The high voltage discharge from this coil is full wave rectified and alternately switched between driving another transformer -that forms a series resonant circuit with the load (the big coils in the TPU) - and pulsed back to the source battery on the positive leg only at a low frequency using some form of simple mecanical vibrator. The load is connected directly across the secondary winding of the transformer. There are other variations that have worked for me but it takes a lot of experimenting and burnt fingers to get optimum performance for a given coil setup! I have not experimented using iron wire but this may well further improve performance. I think SM found through experimentation, an optimum design and ratio for his coils but the control electronics was basic and minimal.
Hoppy
@Hoppy,
Iron or steel core keeps the range of the output terminal distance to produce sparks, although 1" looks like arcs. Air cores, like Telsa coils, Colorado springs and Wardenclyffe allows true arcing for great distances. Telsa found out how to go beyond that with the scalar beam projection.
The SM TPUs had metal cores or the coil itself would arc. I saw this driving the GK4 with a stun gun. The circuit completed through me at the last stage as arcing. I was shoving to much out of balance signal into a coil that was not made for that. But by driving it with a lower energy, just plain pulsing, the coil emitted a lower energy which burned. It still felt like streamers.
Here are 2 clues which are the most important. SM said 'We built over 3 hundred' and 'I got burned alot'. I skipped the 300 by reconizing the stungun ckt. But the 'burned' is the shield of honor for testing out the theories. And then one knows for sure what is going on. After that, the design criteria swung into Tesla. If he didn't do then it isn't worth doing.
A primary of 200 turns of 1/4"bendable copper tubing, 20,000 turns of 30awg on a 4" diam 2 foot length of pcv tube. Fire the primary with an ignition coil or flyback like Marx coil, below 10khz. Stand back. Tune till satisfied. That is why SM cut wires.
--giantkiller.
GIANT KILLER I have been watching a long time your thread you are a HERO here If I could ask a favor I have a person that has been very involved in the space program as EE boss last night i showed him your scope shots he seemed confused something about where is the ground and some other means of measuring on the scope you use is there anyway you could clarify just one scope shot [say what is going on so I can try to get him to understand this Chet PS he thinks overunity is INSANITY [how he was schooled] you seem to have the rub in your nose kind of proof I/ WE need Thanks
Giant killer also when we tried to enlarge or read some of the components in your schematics they were to small to make out this fellow is definitely one of your peers[in your field] as far as a peer on the planet you have very few Chet
@ramset,
Make pretend you are one of the animals in George Orwell's 'Animal farm'. I will make you Buster. He works and he has good ethics. He knows how the farm should work. That is the model to where you are heading into. Alas, you are the only animal to understand and your demise is short coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0YlOmxyRk&feature=related
Now as you attempt to 'train' others, nod, nod, wink, wink. They will feel insecure. If they have control of some part of your life, you might suffer.
Or you can temp fate and ask your boss where the 60 came in 60hz U.S. power grid system came from and why 60hz? Why not D.C? If he says Edison then look interested and asked to be excused before you fired.
Think about how long the list is of individuals who have bucked the system only to be squashed or spent their lives.
Tesla,
Galileo,
Jesus,
All the signers of the Declaration of Independence,
Lister,
Vivien Thomas.
Except Nobel and Oppenheimer! Go figure.
Society is rife with these kind of atrocities. The person with the best idea is to squander their lives with a solution that could take but a mere moment to institute and change the course of history.
I took the scope reading and ground from the steel winding. If we don't look out into the darkness we will never know adventure that lies ahead.
GM had a electric car platform around 2002. It was perfect. There is a video out there somewhere.
And check oout the ram files.
http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php
When Ufologist, Stanton Friedman , is asked 'Why don't the aliens show themsleves up front to us?' Stanton Friedman replies 'Maybe they don't like our brand of friendship?'.
--giantkiller. Everybody always has an answer. But so few have the solution. Keep on truckin'.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 09, 2008, 12:27:00 PM'Maybe they don't like our brand of friendship?'.
Yep, if they were as 'friendly' as we are, they would say us 'go f*ck yourself arseheads, it's not our business to clean shit after your neverending accidents'. ;) it's such a joke we have here - nothing helps us: democracy/authoritarism/anarchism, capitalism/socialism. Everything's doomed to failure in the end (and guess why - the only aspect shared among all of them is money). I have my hopes on free energy coupled with the "net" society as it requires no money: if your arse is bad, your arse will be looking bad, no money will help you to make it look good, and thus nobody will want to deal with you: you are a failure, NOT a society is a failure. At this very moment personal failures of our politicians become failures of our societies. Well, that's not right.
GIANT KILLER thank you for the reply this person has no impact on my life nor can he He is however at the top of his field going back 30 yrs from silicone to Mars WE have a good relationship {he is family][and good people] I just wanted to crack the smelling salts under his nose to wake him up Chet
Quote from: ramset on June 09, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
GIANT KILLER thank you for the reply this person has no impact on my life nor can he He is however at the top of his field going back 30 yrs from silicone to Mars WE have a good relationship {he is family][and good people] I just wanted to crack the smelling salts under his nose to wake him up Chet
Ok, good. I wasn't sure what camp you were in. I heard tell of the sun being the center of the solar system. Pray, tell! And there are 2 guys that said we could fly around the planet! What ever gave them the notion the ground was round? Dont' they know it's dark out there? We could stub our toes!
--giantkiller. LOL.
@ Hoppy
The extra power comes from the Ethron flux field.
posative and negative flowing through a wire creates a magnetic field at 90 Degrease around that wire and in the center of the wire. The Ethron Flux field flows between the outer magnetic field and the inner field at 45 degrease straight through the electrical pulsing. Everything right hand twist.
MAYBEE :-X
sacred geometry knowledge of the ancients
Sure does pay to strip old tvs. Heatsinks galore. Stripping flybacks next.
--giantkiller. Things are too quiet around here. ???
Quote from: giantkiller on June 13, 2008, 11:38:48 PM
Sure does pay to strip old tvs. Heatsinks galore. Stripping flybacks next.
--giantkiller. Things are too quiet around here. ???
Yup. There's been a bounty of old tvs in the trash lately here in the US, since everybody is getting new flatscreens. I pulled a couple of old crt projection units out of the trash a couple of months ago (it was the semi-annual "trash amnesty" day when people can put anything out to the curb). I passed-up literally hundreds of old tvs.
Way cool!
Replace the optical guns with inductors of primary, secondary, trinary windings with graduating mass or turns. Most here should see what that does.
Cleaning up after another bench fire.
My foremost ability is visual creativity. I get an idea and slam it on the bench. It works. Then add to it, then the next, then the next. It builds up real fast into a rat's nest. When I get a problem it is hard to locate. Sloppy work to boot. Then I clean up and backtrack. Not a problem though. I get results whether big or small. Can get dangerous at times.
After all the experiences and information gained here now things become a bit dicey. Anybody that has built has gotten hurt. And I don't mean just electrocution. That just means your in the club. So I take longer steps now. I can only create so much potential built up between my coils and the environment at 12v. The next level is to up the potential to make a greater impress on the aether. These are the only 2 levels I have taken notice of from Keely and Tesla. Crack stabilty of matter at any level for differing results. Schaumberger, Keely, Tesla and on up the chain of power to include Hutchison. Schamberger found controlled interference with water. Keely found controlled interference using frequencies against water, but at a higher inteference. Tesla could crack distances. Any! Hutchison can crack matter. Any! Nothing is impossible.
I post this again: Watch his hands and how he sets things down. http://www.flixxy.com/helicopter-cable-inspector.htm
He constantly balances the potential. Obviously the sweeping blades of the heli bring up a charge. The line poles are very high to avoid the field of any motorized vehicle below. ;)
--giantkiller. If you can't dream then you are living a nightmare.
Everything needs a little stun once in a while...
http://www.flixxy.com/voice-talent-opera-singer.htm
--giantkiller. Believe.
GK that stun had goosebumps attached thanks Chet
that was geeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaat. :o :o :o
neaded that :'( :'(
thanks GK
wer
3, 6, 9. Mechanical(horizontal or vertical placement) or electrical.
1 layer layer = 3x turns,
middle layer = 6x turns,
3rd layer layer = 9x turns.
1 frequency gives the 3x heterodyning magnetically due to length of path traveled and the 3 field collision in the coil topology center. Extra energy.
A Telsa coil once again.
--giantkiller. Happy father's day. Past, Present and Potential.
We start out in the fertile cresent. There appear huge monoliths. The seat of power migrates to the British isles. There appear crop circles. Then the next large society is the mayans. There appear huge monoliths. Today there are huge displays in infrared above. The next seat of power is the U.S. There is Area51. Huge technological advances. Our progress across the planet has been tracked into all the continents.
Oddly enough, doesn't Stan Deyo look alot like Steven Mark in the videos?
--giantkiller.
Here we have 2 pancake coils (Primary and secondary) fired by a stun gun circuit to produce the Lenz law of inductive repulsion. This propells an aluminum projectile.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/massdriver.shtml
Lenz law in action.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/bushman.shtml
http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/pitkanen.pdf
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/marcus/Toroid-Mag-Coil-Type2.jpg
The spin factor in the deyo coil and the searle disc show the same spinning / counterspinning layers.
Tesla mentioned his favorite coil was the conical. But where and how many times do we see it? He states that if we could only see the power in 3,6,9. You could stack 3 coils on top of each other and wired in series. You would have a conical shaped field and a wide band resonator. In the Colo spgrs coil the center is a canistor shaped primary, open wound. Same as the outside surrounding secondary. There are no descriptions or wiring photos to show how that is hooked up. It could also be done in 3 seperate layers. We just assume the obvious.
Anybody seen the Deyo tensor coil around in the sites?
The rotating mag field is the way to get the high speed energy instead of pulsing high speed. With 3 freqs the center focus can be exercised from the center and spun. The vortex center can be manipulated. The aetheris spin the becomes the dialetric moving across the copper windings and incorporating magneto-hydrodynamic inertia. A magnetic field can be created and spun anywhere. This gives rise to propulsion in any medium.
-giantkiller.
More goose bumps you sir are the pinnacle of inspiration I feel like I'm getting to stand next to a pioneer that is pointing the way to the future an absolute privilege Chet
Quote from: giantkiller on June 16, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
Here we have 2 pancake coils (Primary and secondary) fired by a stun gun circuit to produce the Lenz law of inductive repulsion. This propells an aluminum projectile.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/massdriver.shtml
Lenz law in action.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/bushman.shtml
http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/pitkanen.pdf
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/marcus/Toroid-Mag-Coil-Type2.jpg
The spin factor in the deyo coil and the searle disc show the same spinning / counterspinning layers.
Tesla mentioned his favorite coil was the conical. But where and how many times do we see it? He states that if we could only see the power in 3,6,9. You could stack 3 coils on top of each other and wired in series. You would have a conical shaped field and a wide band resonator. In the Colo spgrs coil the center is a canistor shaped primary, open wound. Same as the outside surrounding secondary. There are no descriptions or wiring photos to show how that is hooked up. It could also be done in 3 seperate layers. We just assume the obvious.
Anybody seen the Deyo tensor coil around in the sites?
The rotating mag field is the way to get the high speed energy instead of pulsing high speed. With 3 freqs the center focus can be exercised from the center and spun. The vortex center can be manipulated. The aetheric spin the becomes the dialetric moving across the copper windings and incorporating magneto-hydrodynamic inertia. A magnetic field can be created and spun anywhere. This gives rise to propulsion in any medium.
-giantkiller.
3,6,9. Tesla said it. Leedskalnin said it. Keely said t.
--giantkiller.
ERFINDER what will you do when others know your secret why are you so cruel to allow others to risk injury and stand by with nothing but pokes and jabs you do not wish to teach you are an anomaly you ask others to do what you yourself refuse to do ' tell me the answer and ill let you know if you are right' I am sorry for posting this GK and will remove it at your request[if time allows] but this man seems more a sadist than a humanitarian
Marko Rodin also said it 3 magnetic field, 6 magnetic field and 9 etheron flux field, 124 electric 875 electric. Map your way accross the universe.
Quote "9 is the height of natural energy"
The rodin coils are a flux thruster an (atom pulser)
thrusting the 9 into the 3 and 6.
"The ether has every attribute, It has a vector and a phasing a Pulsing and a surge etc it shoots out in 3rds from the center of the vortex and is the source of the non decaying spin of the electron"
"It penetrates everything, nothing can resist it, it leaves its reticulation pattern in everything."
we are about to see big changes
"Praise Jah You People" for he has taken his great power and begun to rule as KING .:)
Let me say \this:
I respect all who show up. People just have a different way of showing up. It's all good.
One of the Bose tests I posted in youtube was 3k , 6k, 9khz. Then I used that as multipliers. That produced great harmonic effects also.
Then I went to the Notched PVC coil, that Marco showed. Jason and I already had built these things. And OMG, it has THREE segments! Then I put aluminium disks on top and bottom. Turned it on and got bit. Why? The magfield gets squeezed and blows off the edges. High speed magnetic transmissions. Go ahead, grab the ring...
Did anybody notice the notched pvc coil looks amazingly like Deyo's 30 footer. I wonder why? Ask Marco. All I know is I have one. How's that for cool sh!t?
I do not wish to banter harmfully, or uselessly. Not offense intended. I have done low power and high frequency runs. You can get hurt. If you will notice on all the bigger tests around the OU subject is more copper and higher voltage. I can't do that. I think very dangerously about what I can do as it is. I took a sidetrip with the PMH. The BFG still sits on my bench in arms reach. Does anybody have a clue how dangerous it is? I showed that today with the EMP rifle video. There is Tesla right in front of our eyes. Deyo too, with the smoke ring, only magnetic. If one can read the shock waves off the van allen belts from the sun. Then why do we not see the planet as another shell with resonant filler waiting to be tapped? Pun intended.
Does anybody here walk around work, babbling about how maniac one could be with this knowledge? I know what I did. I know what I felt. I know what I saw. The same field Deyo spoke about. I produced it with the GK4 twice. How do I show it? EGA monitor as shown by Singerxyz. But I am not turning that coil on ever again. Stick your tongue on a flyback if you want fireworks.
Also,
The ECD stands at an angle. Conical.
I sent my fried o-scope back to China for warranty repair. IT'll be weeks.
I am not in a position to ask what anybody wants of me. I chart my own course and am always open for information, knowledge, wisdom. Wisdom usually comes last, eh?
I welcome ERfinder's posts of the highest esteem.
--giantkiller. Everything is connected.
I dont usually like to but in, (and not to sound like a pretentious ass) but.....
If someone were to run up to you and say the secret is 9, you wouldn't have any idea what he was saying. You may have an inkling, but can you build a machine with that knowlege? Will it further your understanding of life? No, it wouldn't, thus the secret can not be given, it must be realized by the individual. I would suspect Erfinder is not being selfish, rather would be delighted if more understood. Perhaps he doesn't know all there is, perhaps he does, doesn't matter, don't concern yourself with such trivialities. What one should be doing is furthering their understanding in any way possible. If you have the desire to do so you will find what you are looking for, if you don't find it, you don't really want it.
Quote from: ramset on June 16, 2008, 06:00:06 PM
ERFINDER what will you do when others know your secret why are you so cruel to allow others to risk injury and stand by with nothing but pokes and jabs you do not wish to teach you are an anomaly you ask others to do what you yourself refuse to do ' tell me the answer and ill let you know if you are right' I am sorry for posting this GK and will remove it at your request[if time allows] but this man seems more a sadist than a humanitarian
Quote from: giantkiller on June 16, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
Here we have 2 pancake coils (Primary and secondary) fired by a stun gun circuit to produce the Lenz law of inductive repulsion. This propells an aluminum projectile.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/massdriver.shtml
Lenz law in action.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/bushman.shtml
http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/pitkanen.pdf
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/marcus/Toroid-Mag-Coil-Type2.jpg
The spin factor in the deyo coil and the searle disc show the same spinning / counterspinning layers.
Tesla mentioned his favorite coil was the conical. But where and how many times do we see it? He states that if we could only see the power in 3,6,9. You could stack 3 coils on top of each other and wired in series. You would have a conical shaped field and a wide band resonator. In the Colo spgrs coil the center is a canistor shaped primary, open wound. Same as the outside surrounding secondary. There are no descriptions or wiring photos to show how that is hooked up. It could also be done in 3 seperate layers. We just assume the obvious.
Anybody seen the Deyo tensor coil around in the sites?
The rotating mag field is the way to get the high speed energy instead of pulsing high speed. With 3 freqs the center focus can be exercised from the center and spun. The vortex center can be manipulated. The aetheris spin the becomes the dialetric moving across the copper windings and incorporating magneto-hydrodynamic inertia. A magnetic field can be created and spun anywhere. This gives rise to propulsion in any medium.
-giantkiller.
conical coil:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/emvtxgen.htm
right on ER! ;)
Localjoe is just some punk-assed hotshot kid who thinks he's got one up on all of us because he's a network guy ::). He threatened me too a while back, much the same way. I warned him then, and I'll warn him again, "you're talkin' shit that will get you banned here".
good spiel on the IS stuff, now that's funny, and couldn't agree more. too bad your time was wasted there, but you were doing it in good faith, good for you.
good post ;D
Do we take the red pill or the blue pill?
--giantkiller.
At times this place is a soap opera...
(sigh) wish somebody thought i was smart enough to demand answers from me (sniff)
BURNS ARENT FUN FOLKS AND TELLING PEOPLE EXPERIMENTS TO DO THAT MAY HARM THEM IS NOT A GOOD COARSE OF ACTION
I see that as poor character. Call me a punk ass kid i think its funny i'll have more in life than you ever will because im happy. I do get pretty distrubed When i hear shit like what ramset said. Promoting harm to human beings is a dick move. So ERFINDER Laugh all you want an think what you will. Just remember your the douche bag giving people experiments that are harmful withought proper knowledge. 2 people randomly state this fact.... Not so random anymore.
So Cheers Mate ;)
About your science journal some anon person sent that to me a while ago i dam well know who im talking to and to think that a "professional" in the field would have such a big chip on his shoulder to pull a lord of the files routine is despicable. So while my "comment" may have sounded threatening it was intended to be a wake up call that you could just speak your mind.. And not treat folks here like their not "worthy" of erfinders comments.. Theres two kinds of folks in life those who enjoy helping others and sharing what they have in hopes to teach the skill and those who die after leading a life of feeling that they had something special.. To bad they didnt want to help the current state of affairs for HUMANS IN GENERAL.
@Gk sorry for all of this i just hate it when i see talk of folks giving other folks shit that would intentionally hurt them. Its against my ethics .
GK sorry to upset thing's I just felt that was a PM kind of comment but I see that is none of my business shame about the threat I am completely uncapable of working on this in a safe manner and have TOTAL respect for those that can and do I felt offended by your post but I see this is not my affair and you [ERFINDER] I apologize to for posting that you fellows have a unique relationship [TPU] which I don't understand but then I don't understand the TPU either Chet PS sorry for my misguided zeal G K has given me much inspiration and education with his posts [and I don't know local joe or have I ever talked with him but he seems to have a zeal problem also]
PPS ERFINDER NEVER GAVE ME ANY INFO [never spoke to him either] I was upset that he wasn't sharing with GK who I feel like others here put themselves in harms way for the benefit of others
ART another Hero IMO Chet
Hey,
I don't have to know how much fuel is on board to get to Chicago if I bought a ticket. Right?
So I stand back and take in everything I see. I pile it away. Till I see a cognitive pattern. Then wham! I report to others just like anyone else would do. Sharing information.
I have seen patterns that are not readily documented. With SM17, Tesla coils, my stun gun shenanagans. See sparks? It has all been hillarious. Fun on the side of science.
Of the similarites I have posted I have never gotten a retorte back as to the invalidity of it. I find this strange. Now there are so many threads, information, conjecture. How could anybody in their right mind keep it together? I remember the good old days of 2 threads. :)
Not that the length of time here means anything.
Just read Keely, Schaumberger, Tesla, Leedskalnin, pyramid power, modern magnetics, Kundel patent. That is the basis of all this. Then search out Stan Deyo. Just pull out the information and forget the stories. And put it all together. Bit by bit. I was shocked. Then go check Jaime Maussan videos. We are but bugs on the thin veneer of this planet.
Well I burned my hand, like under the skin, leaves a funny itch, got really bad headaches, scared my dogs, almost broke the house with heterodyning. I am simply reporting the hazards. If anybody wants to go down this path, I have posted all designs. Just get a note from your mom. I assume no responsibility.
--giantkiller. Quote from http://www.stantonfriedman.com/ : explaining about the lack of UFO contacts "Maybe they don't like our brand of friendship'. Kinda makes one humble.
p.s. This is an open forum and houses many different types.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 17, 2008, 12:47:53 PM
Do we take the red pill or the blue pill?
--giantkiller.
it's all in your mind
if you're color blind
Quote from: giantkiller on June 16, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
3,6,9. Tesla said it. Leedskalnin said it. Keely said t.
--giantkiller.
Also the basis of the yin-yang symbol geometry, from which can be derived the precise face-angle and interior layout of the great pyramid.
@all
I just don't know what you are talking about. Are you still doing S.M TPU research? Very boring here. boring too long, boring topic, off topic boring, waste time boring. All boring.
Quote from: zerotensor on June 17, 2008, 10:12:53 PM
Also the basis of the yin-yang symbol geometry, from which can be derived the precise face-angle and interior layout of the great pyramid.
I personally do not believe those interconnections... Phi is of this kind as well. It's not 'magic', just a given recursive relation. It's not universal. Acoustically speaking, Phi-spaced harmonics produce pipe organ sound - well, probably, original organ builders had that in mind. But from the modern perspective, organ sound is just a 'timbre' comparable to any other (piano, trumpet, cymbal, etc). Organ is in no way more "magnificient" - it all depends on the sound reinforcement today.
In my opinion, only harmonics (whole octaves) play significant role, because they are perfectly physical. E.g. constraining of string vibration produces harmonics that depend on the "constrainer"'s physical properties - if it's symmetrical around string, odd harmonics will be produced. If non-symmetrical, even harmonics will be added. If "constrainer" is hard, harmonics will be decaying slowly producing bright sound, if it is soft, only several harmonics will be produced creating damped sound.
From this point of view 3, 6, 9 does look pretty strange if we assume it is harmonics produced by some "constrainer" (or non-linear function) from interacting with the fundametal harmonic (which is 1).
On the other hand, it may be something fundamental - if fantasy is ON, it can be related to acoustical-etheric-EM interactions and possible "functional cavity" of space that transforms any simple acoustical or EM sinusoidal wave into a wave with 3rd,6th,9th harmonics when etheric interaction is present.
Quote from: tosky on June 18, 2008, 12:20:14 PM
@all
I just don't know what you are talking about. Are you still doing S.M TPU research? Very boring here. boring too long, boring topic, off topic boring, waste time boring. All boring.
Did you happen to see the resonant rise scope shots?
That was big deal. The kicks were produced at the end of the pulse low side. The ringing would build. Then when the leading edge of the pulse hit, the field / voltage would spike above the V+. In this 50 to 80 volts in lue of the +12 in. That is a big deal.
Then I burned things up a bit, fets, scope, batteries. I am regrouping on the bench. I am heading towards trying the 3,6,9 factors again in the magnetic field. Deyo's explaination still fits. I am intensely focused on that.
I know my tests keep this thread on track. Every once in a while the pitbulls and Templars have to have a place to play. And that's ok.
Now let me go one step farther into far out...
I have been thinking about the bright spark tendrils we have all seen. They are very high energy, low temp.They swing about the the area and follow a path, like a tear in fabric. So I got to thinking that is a possibility. Just like in some movies we've seen. A shear or tear in the plane of reality giving exposure into a very high energy realm or place. There seems to be no limit to the energy in that streamer. I am just looking at the other side of the visual plane but associating it with a different mental concept. Sure would explain alot of things. Call it far out if you want. But this is the biggest concept I have run across yet. We are the small minds. We might diligently measure every step we take but there is no concept of the breadth of the adventure by today's scientific standards.
Tesla thought way far out too. It only hurts when you try to feed the pitbulls. The Templars won't follow without a cause.
--gaintkiller.
To add on 3,6,9... When I sum these harmonics together with base harmonic (1), the resulting sound is what I would call 'love'. This is what I've thought for the first time when listening to the resulting sound. It's subjective... But when one considers that 'love' sells...(meaning anything harmonized that way gives you a 'love' feeling you'd like to have with you). well, that becomes a guideline when even producing commercial things. Then again, musical A and F notes are spaced roughly Phi away - those are most used notes that together represent 'love' as well (and they "sell" as well).
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Quote from: aleks on June 18, 2008, 03:40:51 PM
To add on 3,6,9... When I sum these harmonics together with base harmonic (1), the resulting sound is what I would call 'love'. This is what I've thought for the first time when listening to the resulting sound. It's subjective... But when one considers that 'love' sells...(meaning anything harmonized that way gives you a 'love' feeling you'd like to have with you). well, that becomes a guideline when even producing commercial things. Then again, musical A and F notes are spaced roughly Phi away - those are most used notes that together represent 'love' as well (and they "sell" as well).
Yes sir. These notes sound the most pleasing because they are the most resonant with this scope of reality we exist in. Our ears and mechanical makeup reside here too.
That is what I am supposing in the prior post that the Tesla coil operation is an energy producer of very high frequency and potential. Nothing new. But that device structure and operation allows us to create a level of power at the top of some category of our existance. It is a key that fits a lock that all other potentials don't address. Hope I didn't lose anybody.
In other words, musical notes address our feeling of likes. A key, if you will. Arc welding fits a certain place that makes 2 pieces of matter exist as one.
Tesla coil energy surpasses distance with no resistance. What is the target of that change? That is way beyond TPU thinking. But the TPU sits somewhere in between as a processor. From what I observed in the stun gun charging of the TPU. I passed the energy at the same level. Little dartlets. No caps on the coil at all. I didn't think of it then. Even though the dartletsa were only 1/4 to 1/2 inches long, I was just in awe at the display.
After that I wanted to raise the stun gun voltage from 9v to 24 volts. I blew it up. So I moved on to anther setup and never went back.
This isn't so far out after all.
--giantkiller. How do we get there, safely?
Quote from: tosky on June 18, 2008, 12:20:14 PM
@all
I just don't know what you are talking about. Are you still doing S.M TPU research? Very boring here. boring too long, boring topic, off topic boring, waste time boring. All boring.
;) :D
@giantkiller
There was a normal wave form usually happened in those unbalance(bias DC) bridge circuit with a serious leakage inductance. no more energy, nothing surprised me. Before doing experiment at least work out a hypothetic theory. Otherwise, no direction to go, no next step, no progression. no more time, no more life.
The Raving (or Edgar Allen Poe on Overunity-Apologies to GK)
On an OU thread so eerie,
As I plodded weak and weary,
O?er many a Tesla volume of forgotten lore,
As I nodded nearly napping,
Suddenly there came a tapping,
As of someone?s urgent rapping,
Rapping at my domain door,
Tis some newby, I muttered, clicking at my domain door,
Only this and nothing more.
Ah distinctly I remember,
It was in the bleak December,
And each separate posting member,
Posted posts on forum?s floor.
Vainly I had sought to borrow,
Tesla patent for the morrow,
From my books the cease of sorrow-sorrow for the GK4,
For the rare and radiant toroid simply called the GK4,
Kickless now forevermore.
And the certain ordered winding of each turn upon the ring,
Thrilled me - filled me with toroidal terrors never felt before;
So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating
'Tis some Loner entreating access to my domain door -
Some late Ramset entreating access to my domain door; -
This it is, and nothing more,'
Presently I grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
`Armageddon,' said I, `or Sparks, truly your forgiveness I implore;
But the fact is I was wrapping, and so gently you came tapping,
And so faintly you came rapping, rapping at my domain door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you' ? Skype-cams I do deplore; -
Blank screen there, and nothing more.
Deep into that flat-screen peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no EE ever dared to dream before
But the flat-screen was unbroken, and the absent words no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered ?GK4?!
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the ?the GK4?,
Merely this and nothing more.
Back into the cave returning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a clicking somewhat louder than before.
`Surely,' said I, `surely that is something at my broadband modem;
Let me see then, what this noise is, and this mystery explore -
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; -
'Tis newby noise and nothing more!'
Open then I flung the domain, when, with screeching loud and profane,
In came a Raving of the OU days of yore.
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with mien of Steven Mark, perched inside my domain door -
Perched upon his rambling postings just inside my domain?s door -
Perched, and crapped, and nothing more.
Then this newby-nub beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum that his postings did outpour,
?Though you may be misbehavin, you art sure no OU maven?.
Ghastly grim insistent Raving, shocking all the OU core -
Tell me what thy pseudo-name is, all the heroes do implore!'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine, `Nevermore.'
Much I marvelled this ungainly newb to hear discourse so plainly,
Though its answer little meaning - little relevancy bore;
For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being
Ever yet was blessed with seeing newb within his domain door -
Newb or beast amongst researchers just inside our domain door,
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine `Nevermore.'
But the newby, sitting lonely on his raving posts, spoke only,
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing further then he uttered ? never coughed ?n never stuttered -
Till I scarcely more than muttered `Surely Otto knows the score -
On the morrow he will leave me, as my scopes have shown before.'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine `Nevermore.'
Startled at the audio broken by reply so aptly spoken,
`Doubtless,' said I, `what it utters is its only stock and store,
Born from some cave master whom unmerciful disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his posts one burden bore -
Till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore
Of "Never-nevermore."'
But Poynt-nine-nine still beguiling all my sad soul into smiling,
Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of flat-screen, Poynt and Core;
Then, upon the vinyl sinking, I betook myself to linking
Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous Poynt of yore -
What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous newb of yore
Meant in croaking `Nevermore.'
This I sat engaged in guessing, but no post expressing
To the newb whose fiery eyes now burned into my web-cam?s core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the cushion's vinyl lining that the dim-light gloated o'er,
But whose violet vinyl lining with the dim-light gloating o'er,
Poynt shall press, ah, nevermore!
Then, methought, the air grew tenser, perfumed from a cigar denser
Smoked by SM whose foot-falls tinkled on the cement floor.
`Wretch,' I cried, `thy God hath lent thee - by these heroes he has sent thee,
Respite - respite and nepenthe from within my domain door!
Quaff, oh quaff this foamy brew, and honor the GK4!'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine, `Nevermore.'
`Naysayer!' said I, `thing of EEvil! - poster still, if newb or devil! -
Whether Grumpy sent, or whether vortex accessed domain?s door,
Desolate yet all undaunted, on this virtual web enchanted -
On this home-page horror haunted - tell me truly, I implore -
Is there - is there power in OU? - tell me - tell me, I implore!'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine, `Nevermore.'
`Naysayer!' said I, `thing of EEvil! - poster still, if newb or devil!
By that cyclone that whirls above us - by that Moab we both adore -
Tell this Mannix with sorrow laden if, within the future laden,
Pese shall power a ring wound to specs like the GK4 -
Power a rare and radiant toroid, based on ferrite core?'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine, `Nevermore.'
`Be that word our sign of parting, Poynt-nine-nine!' I shrieked upstarting -
`Get thee back into the vortex of heavy ferrite core!
Leave no black smoke as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! ? stand inside the GK4!
Take thy probe from out my heart, and take thy prints from off my core!'
Quoth Poynt-nine-nine, `Nevermore.'
Bravo! and Touche'...
--giantkiller.
@Otto
How do you know the runaway condition is abnormal? Besides it is powerful High volt, what else you have got? From your description, it drawn large amount of current. So high power input for high power high voltage output is a normal thing. What I think if you could keep the runaway condition even one second when power supply has been cut off. Then I will agree something there. To fully light a 100W bulb only need about 110V. Assume the ferrite core is not saturated, only a few turns of wire is enough to step up the voltage, some circuits could also add to the source input to be higher volt. Mixing frequency could be more easy to step up voltage because of the phase peak wave addition.
If there is a DC bias exist, the voltage will at the positive side even with any waveform.
If you drive a coil without a capacitor connect in serial also lead to a positive side position in the scope at a positive phase. But you have to give some time to let the coil demagnetize. Please tell what make you so sure runaway condition is special case.
Quote from: tosky on June 20, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
@Otto
How do you know the runaway condition is abnormal? Besides it is powerful High volt, what else you have got? From your description, it drawn large amount of current. So high power input for high power high voltage output is a normal thing. What I think if you could keep the runaway condition even one second when power supply has been cut off. Then I will agree something there. To fully light a 100W bulb only need about 110V. Assume the ferrite core is not saturated, only a few turns of wire is enough to step up the voltage, some circuits could also add to the source input to be higher volt. Mixing frequency could be more easy to step up voltage because of the phase peak wave addition.
If there is a DC bias exist, the voltage will at the positive side even with any waveform.
If you drive a coil without a capacitor connect in serial also lead to a positive side position in the scope at a positive phase. But you have to give some time to let the coil demagnetize. Please tell what make you so sure runaway condition is special case.
If he'd just put a slight limit in place he would'nt keep waking up on the floor! LOL.
What is interesting in my aproach is a low input to get a high output. I got the spikes, no problem. But to produce enough of a condition to achieve run away takes higher input or like the ECD tests to match the geometery, the resonance with 2 or more coils with equivalent frequencies. Bam! Like Otto's and JDO300 results. You hit the copper bang on and it spits. How do we reach that kind of speed? Very tight resonance.
Tesla's fields produced great results by the size of the input voltage and resonance. His frequencies weren't that high. The upper limit I have seen is 20khz.
All these devices are mearly EMP producers.
--giantkiller.
"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.? - Nicola Tesla.
I have never understood what Tesla was referring to when he made this statement. Any of you ever figure it out?
Quote from: Grumpy on June 22, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.? - Nicola Tesla.
I have never understood what Tesla was referring to when he made this statement. Any of you ever figure it out?
In the heterodyning tests I did, I got very pronounced banging in the house. The aluminum heating ducts even rattled. That lead me to believe that some combination or multiplier with these factors is what has great power associated with it. I was going to use the GK4 in this combination test and with out the resistors. But I felt that field again and wanted to be safe.
I am sure the 3,6,9 fits in other places. Otherwise at this point I don't see all the possibilities yet. I have a list of tests to get time on.
And I am sure I, myself, am missing some things.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Grumpy on June 22, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.? - Nicola Tesla.
I have never understood what Tesla was referring to when he made this statement. Any of you ever figure it out?
"3 6 9
John Keely, wrote that the vibrations of "thirds, sixths, and ninths, were extraordinarily powerful." In fact, he proved the "vibratory antagonistic thirds was thousands of times more forceful in separating hydrogen from oxygen in water than heat." In his "Formula of Aqueous Disintegration" he wrote that, "molecular dissociation or disintegration of both simple and compound elements, whether gaseous or solid, a stream of vibratory antagonistic thirds, sixths, or ninths, on their chord mass will compel progressive subdivisions. In the disintegration of water the instrument is set on thirds, sixths, and ninths, to get the best effects." aqua1.txt from keelynet.com "
Also read my speculations I posted earlier... These 3-6-9 harmonics of 1 may be
embedded into our reality as means to CREATE (for and by the Creator of all). Just think we are living in The Matrix and relieve your stress. ;)
(attached is a 200 Hz sinewave with 3-6-9 harmonics... increases libido upon listening ;) )
And a waveform... Tesla was using Fourier transforms so he was surely aware of time series and harmonic periodic signals. It does look like a KEY after all :)
"the magnificence" may mean magnitude of each harmonic... What you hear in the file and see on the picture is my personal mix of harmonics.
Tesla says "the" 3, 6 and 9, as if each is something tangible.
Quote from: Grumpy on June 22, 2008, 11:59:52 PMTesla says "the" 3, 6 and 9, as if each is something tangible.
Not necessarily. "The 3, 6 and 9" may semantically mean "exact 3, 6 and 9".
Quote from: aleks on June 23, 2008, 03:01:03 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on June 22, 2008, 11:59:52 PM
Tesla says "the" 3, 6 and 9, as if each is something tangible.
Not necessarily. "The 3, 6 and 9" may semantically mean "exact 3, 6 and 9".
Could someone point me to the document in which this statement was made?
Googling it show a lot of people quoting but without a reference.
I'd like to see the context in which is was made.
-Duff
Quote from: duff on June 23, 2008, 08:41:05 AM
Not necessarily. "The 3, 6 and 9" may semantically mean "exact 3, 6 and 9".
Could someone point me to the document in which this statement was made?
Googling it show a lot of people quoting but without a reference.
I'd like to see the context in which is was made.
-Duff
A cursory look:
http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/12/singing-tesla-coils/
This has reference to sets of trinaries:
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/tesla/magnifier.html
There were two places besides the patents I have been in and these were the 'Tesla: Master of lightning' book and a movie on Tesla.
I recall the statement as being a background or verbal quote and not really focused subject matter. After 2 years I have piles of too much information and all too important.
I am in the process of recategorizing these piles into matching subject matter. I see that there are less categories now that I had thought before.
One of the areas is the spark gap and stun gun circuits. These appear all over the place.
--giantkiller.
ON THE TRAIL those that CAN do those that can't HOPE Chet
I see crop circles...
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/somekeelycharts.pdf
In the 1920?s, Lester Hendershot constructed a free energy device using two basket weave coils with cylindrical capacitors built in the center of the coils. He expressed that his device was tapping a magnetic force field. A test of the coil design with a radio frequency resonance bridge revealed that the coil, out of the circuit, was self-resonant in the low end of the AM radio broadcast band, around 500 KHz. Its construction is described in the Spring, 1983 issue of Energy Unlimited. In the last paragraph of the article, the author suggests using a harmonic of 14.3 KHz.(10)
To summarize: We see abundant possibility for the storage of energies within the Earth?s magnetosphere. We have a mechanism, confirming Tesla, for drawing this energy into the lower atmospheric cavity. We are able now to see how nature handles this influx of energy toward the Earth?s surface through the aurora oscillations. The Earth?s atmosphere vibrations are harmonically related, and therefore desirous of self-oscillation, as given by Keely. In the article referred to about the Hendershot device, the frequency of 14.3 KHz.,if multiplied by 3, equals the frequency of 42.9 KHz., if multiplied by 6 equals 86 KHz., and by 9 equals 128 KHz., another observed frequency, or when multiplied by 12, equals almost the suggested frequency of Hans Coler. These inventors were clearly on the path to utilization of this abundant energy source, which surrounds us each minute. Humanity lives at the lower reaches of a vast ocean within the cosmicly stimulated bubble of the magnetosphere, and upon the twirling spherical generator of the Earth. What a masterpiece of Creation.
A final quote from Nikola Tesla: ?Throughout space there is energy, it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of Nature?.The knowledge that there is throbbing through the Earth, energy available everywhere, would exert a strong stimulus on students, mechanics and inventors of all countries. This would be productive of infinite good. Conditions such as never existed before would be brought about. It would enable Man to dispense with the necessity of mining, pumping, transporting and burning of fuels, and so do away with innumerable causes of waste! New frontiers might be opened, unlimited power for all the world, inexpensive power for the farmer to light and heat his home, to drive his tractor, to harvest his grain, to increase his food output, electric power for millions of homes, so economical that every appliance could be operated electrically. The real beginning of a ?Golden Age of Civilization.?
The coil and the magnetosphere are resonant. The little tuning fork ringing the big tuning fork. But the mass difference gives us the magnitude gain back. ;)
--giantkiller. 3,6,9. Not just regurjitated but swallowed, digested, consumed, flourishing, and prominent. 8)
Quote from: giantkiller on June 26, 2008, 10:52:04 PM
In the 1920?s, Lester Hendershot constructed a free energy device using two basket weave coils with cylindrical capacitors built in the center of the coils. He expressed that his device was tapping a magnetic force field. A test of the coil design with a radio frequency resonance bridge revealed that the coil, out of the circuit, was self-resonant in the low end of the AM radio broadcast band, around 500 KHz. Its construction is described in the Spring, 1983 issue of Energy Unlimited. In the last paragraph of the article, the author suggests using a harmonic of 14.3 KHz.(10)
Just yesterday i was thinking about gaps in provided "knowledge" and caps inside coils are obvious thing to (not) notice. After seeing this quote i'm wondering why it's not done. Or it's just hidden/suppresed?..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/95105/The-Hendershot-Motor-Mystery
Seems like macedoniacd11 was there as well as here. If fundamental principles are same as with TPUs and Steven gave them from his POV, then close look and creativity, imagination and engineering are the way forward, just like he proposed/advised.
All current "replications" attempts and talks remind me myself in age 4-5, when i was taking replaced tubes from BW TV-set and asked mom to explain/show where all those TV people live there (content of tubes was like buildings for small humans). Some time latter i was taking apart many devices and was asking one fellow TV-master to explain what is doing this or that PCB. Naive childhood.
@Olecom,
The basic operations that have come to the top are multistage coupled resonant rise, rotating magfield, and the combination of both.
The end of mankind's rise using male physics is finally coming to an end. Thank God!
On another note...
It takes only 2 doses of vitamin A per year to obliterate the common parasites in an African village. This save millions of lives and each dose costs 44 cents. Cheap and do you think the goverments would jump on that? Why that would cure a potential army in the way of cheap resources like diamonds, rubies, gold, and oh yeah, oil. Things will never change unless we take up Tesla's, Schaumberger's, Leedskalnin's, Keely's cause of doing this energy gig for free!
The Kunel.pdf only has major flaws in its pictures. That's all. If you look at the Leedskalnin PMH by Emery it has fat copper and fat windings and steel keeper. I did the design that fits in the middle by using iron core wires, many paths, 22awg collecters, and 26awg controls. Kunel proposes 16awg. That's fine. He also states 12v @ 1 amp @ 50hz.
European cycles.
Kunel gives all the specs for the TPU based device. All one has to is find the driving or induction coil henries for the winding count.
My attempt was a throw together just to get some pre-effect of operation. Post-effect would come after proper tuning. But this thing is, I believe the design paper. Everything is spelled out except the coil henries. These diagrams are befuddled, I believe. Or they are dead on and some description throws it off. That could be the translation errors.
The coil drivers all come to 1 line. Shorthand. You need 2. The gaps are not measured. Play with it. The core diameters are not given. More iron gives more potential because of a higher capacity of flux. But that will change the coils.
My attempt showed very promising scope shots of 1:Resonant rise, 2:The kick. After the mechanics are achieved these 2 artifacts are the electrical start into the next step.
Deyo's 3 tier, 3 ring device plays with resonant coils. Rings 1 and 3 could squeeze ring 2 field coupled harmonically. Instead of looking at the device horizontally, like the Kunel coil, the Deyo points up with 3 concentric rings or like the SM17 which points up with 3 stacked rings and the same goes for SM's other coils.
The PMH proves you can control a magnetic field in another medium. You don't have to generate. The flux is it. It's free.
--giantkiller. 8)
Quote from: giantkiller on June 28, 2008, 10:45:34 AM
@Olecom,
The basic operations that have come to the top are multistage coupled resonant rise, rotating magfield, and the combination of both.
The end of mankind's rise using male physics is finally coming to an end. Thank God!
The Kunel.pdf only has major flaws in its pictures. That's all. If you look at the Leedskalnin PMH by Emery it has fat copper and fat windings and steel keeper. I did the design that fits in the middle by using iron core wires, many paths, 22awg collecters, and 26awg controls. Kunel proposes 16awg. That's fine. He also states 12v @ 1 amp @ 50hz.
European cycles.
[...]
Kunel gives all the specs for the TPU based device. All one has to is find the driving or induction coil henries for the winding count.
My attempt was a throw together just to get some pre-effect of operation. Post-effect would come after proper tuning. But this thing is, I believe the design paper. Everything is spelled out except the coil henries. These diagrams are befuddled, I believe. Or they are dead on and some description throws it off. That could be the translation errors.
The coil drivers all come to 1 line. Shorthand. You need 2. The gaps are not measured. Play with it. The core diameters are not given. More iron gives more potential because of a higher capacity of flux. But that will change the coils.
My attempt showed very promising scope shots of 1:Resonant rise, 2:The kick. After the mechanics are achieved these 2 artifacts are the electrical start into the next step.
And same sci-people say, that intelligent design is crap and evolution is not. Ha-ha-ha.
(Kunel.pdf -- i'd like to see this one. TIA for any link.)
Quote from: giantkiller on June 28, 2008, 10:45:34 AM
On another note...
It takes only 2 doses of vitamin A per year to obliterate the common parasites in an African village. This save millions of lives and each dose costs 44 cents. Cheap and do you think the goverments would jump on that? Why that would cure a potential army in the way of cheap resources like diamonds, rubies, gold, and oh yeah, oil. Things will never change unless we take up Tesla's, Schaumberger's, Leedskalnin's, Keely's cause of doing this energy gig for free!
Nature knows how to keep balance in the wild between parasites, viruses and huge variety of higher creatures on the Earth. I'm not a racist, but face it: somebody is parasite, and corrupted govs and busies and many others just multiply them along with waste and garbage on all levels... That's why i hate to read insults towards inventors who don't disclose everything on silver plate. Not understanding their souls, yet to want understand technology isn't right methodology imho. Here must be tuning on resonance also. And maybe this is the key thing and all those dimensions, arrangements and numbers are not.
Once you feel it, you can do it. Otherwise it's a greed and waste of time.
BTW, who greedily argues about (lost) Stradivari's or Leedskalnin's accomplishmets, wisdom, craft and knowledge?
google: kunel patent
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf
Now mind you he is only diagramming the synopsis of operation. I don't see how he could use the induction windings there at 50 hz and only 1 amp.
The E2lego pmh I did had increased windings and at that level, produced the squeezing and resonant rise which I had not seen posted before. Not that I did it. Just that I increased the windings between Leedskalnin and Kundel. Also notice where the gap is in Kunel figure 2. He gives very good placement descriptions but no measurements. Same kind of illusiveness in the winding specs. But in order to claim over unity he has to mention the input and output parameters. And that applies directly to the electrical schematic which, again, in my eyes doesn't jive. This is not to say he is wrong. Things are sparse. But this a very good head start. Match the ring in figure 7 to the last scenes in the Stan Deyo video. Crop circles could'nt be any clearer. Kunel even shows the flux direction. Now use the control coils item #3 to squeeze the flux. Cannonballs.
Now lets have some real fun. The large loops in the SM17 were actually the drive lines like in the Kunel patent. Such trickery, eh? Or if they are iron wire then the control coils and magnets are in the black box. Wouldn't take much would it? SM cuts the loops at the outer most edge. Nothing is apparent, really. But the shenanagans leads us to believe that is a primary area. I don't think so.
--giantkiller.
Let's have a look at the GK4 again. This time it is matched against the Kunel patent figure #7, the ring. They are close in that there is flux squeezing going on. The GK4 has additional feedback forming a mobius strip. This happens at each layer and vertically when you take into account the 3 frequencies aligning and misaligning.
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No magnet in place. But the iron has latency and that looks like a dc field which is the field I can squeeze.
Leedskalnin and Kunel both stated the use of a magnet gives free flow of energy trapped in the flux that is passed on to the iron loop. Rotating field.
I am sooooo glad the resistors were in the circuit!
Kunel patent page 9 states that these things can be coupled into bigger and bigger units.
--giantkiller.
GK what a find WHAT A MIND once again the path seems familiar to you Chet
Hi. That Kunel patent is new to me and the basic setup looked too like an AM coil, (about as far as my coil-winding has got...) so I decided to give it a shot (see pic.) Unfortunately, despite the suggested 10:1 power gain, I get nothing at all on the collector coil - I was at least hoping to see a voltage of some sort! FWIW, it's fed a 5V squarewave (which is a bit wonky as coil resistance is too low) @ 500mA-1A. Wire is about 0.25mm and I used neos and normal iron. Anyone try this and have something interesting happen?
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Hey Sprocket,
Firstly, great try.
Secondly, I tried that combo too and got nothing. I had only 21 windings like in the patent. But the big misake is the loops are in parallel and not a continuous winding. Look again. ;) Did you fire the pulse coil at resonance or the inductive collector?
You just saved me having to do alot of windings. I thought of that thinking alot of windings would work.
So I thought the concept would be where he shows a loop there would be a resonant coil. Things seemed hidden. I did multiple coils and that produced results.
And here is an ugly one: is the spacing between the coils dependent on the diameter of the iron with respect to the resonant frequency in operation with the operating parameters of the iron induced by the coils? Yes, Its a mobius loop. But that is why my build looks the way it does. I refuse to snip wires to match some moving target.
As I read that patent I noticed the progression in the diagrams. When some references didn't show up at the current diagram I went back to previous diagrams and just surmised. Then I decided that Kunel is progressively explaining the process. The straight and narrow try is not physical. The last 2 diags are loops. Try to connect the ends together with iron. That, at least, would match up to the ring diags. Remember, Deyo shows this too.
My first build of this posted was a closed loop and at resonance. Way good effects. I am going back to that. I had 2 fires and am regrouping from that. The controller took the hits because of a lack of adequate heat sink. Now I can draw 4 amps and no breakdown. But this is incorrect. All I have done is create a bigger window for prototyping. I need to get to closer resonance and the draw will lessen.
The descriptions and pictures are incorrect to be fully interpreted as a complete document of a complete device. Sorry. The patent office just doesn't know.
He also shows square waves as input and sine waves out. Can that be trusted? The circuit is over complicated but you can get an idea of what the intent was.
The bottom line is the disconnecting and reconnecting or squeezing the flux lines. That cannot be patented as that is a display of nature.
Cannonballs!
He basically got a patent without any correct divulgance. Mostly hypothetical. But I have no respect for complying with the patent law. Leedskalnin already open-sourced this. I am going to pursue this design and should I achieve what the intent here was then that will go to production. And nobody will stop this. Because the answer will lie here in OU. The green wire build is the foundation I am still continuing with. Sure beats wrapping the TPU type coils.
If I left anything out or something here is unclear then RFC.
--giantkiller.
GK, thanks, and I appreciate the in-depth response. Yes, I noticed that the collector coils were in parallel - I also noticed there were an awful lot of them, so I latched onto the bit about them needing at least as many turns as the pulsed coil (so 1 big one - took the easiest route basically). Also, resonance didn't enter into it, I just pulsed it in the low Hertz in the hope something would happen. To kill an hour or so, I have also just tried feeding it with a slowly increasing sinewave in the range 1000-10000Hz, and also closing the iron-loop as you suggested - nothing interesting noted...
Truth be told, I will probably have trouble replicating your final working design (when you figure it out!) never mind working it out from first-principles. I sometimes think that patents are formulated specifically to direct you away from a working device - how many FE patents have been 'back-engineered' successfully? - then again, I may just be paranoid :D
@Sprocket,
Welcome to OU. The greatest addiction on the planet!
This was passed onto me: 4904926.
And inside those are 4006401 & 4077001.
By now you should understand what these are talking about.
--giantkiller. I've requested to be buried with my coils come that fateful day.
http://www.altenergy-pro.com/rec.htm
Copied the pertainent here:
Resonance Energy Concept . . .
This Ambient Resonate Magnetic Flux Energy is ever where present, through out our universe. A human is as a speck of dust compared to the earth, likewise, our Solar System is as a speck of dust in the Galaxy, and in turn, it is a speck of dust in the Universe. One common denominator in all of these is Ambient Magnetic Resonance Energy. When disturbed its potential to produce useful energy is present.
Present everywhere, this Magnetic Flux Energy is accessed by Transformers , ether directly as is the case of Solar Cells or directly by mechanical means. Resonate Magnetic Flux Fields & Waves (Faraday's action at a distance) allows Energy activation transfer to remote points of usage. Active energy at point "A" translates into energy at point "B." Capture and use of this Free Energy (which exists freely) is at the core of what power companies charge customers. Direct access (bypassing the power company) is far more desirable and efficient, as in the case of Solar Cells. However, solar cell technology requires many active cells to produce energy to power a house. They will still depend on the sun. The Resonance Energy Concept depends on nothing more than the Earth's Ambient background , and a Resonance Energy Device which produces ample energy.
Please do not mistake this for a "perpetual motion" device. It is nothing of the sort. Pull the plug and the power shuts off; necessary parts may wear out over time. The useful energy exists and may be harnessed for as long as the Ambient Background is disturbed, which occurs easily and requires no physical motion on the part of the device. A casual observer watching one of these devices will see only the end result, lights come on, refrigerators run, etc? Without specialized instrumentation it is impossible to see that resonate magnetic flux is occurring. However, with Gauss Meters we can see the results of magnetic resonance.
Gravity relates to magnetic resonance flux. Incoming magnetic fields and waves spin electrons producing useful electrical energy. Absorbed fields and wave energy produces heat, thus earth has a hot interior. Physical movement in electrical systems occurs in the direction of current flow, and frictional drag from this inflow current defines gravity. Accretion masses (energy sinks) provide all solid objects with their respective gravitational fields.
There are four major sources providing enormous amounts of ambient background resonant field and wave energy: Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and the Earth's own ambient magnetic background. It is the earth's electromagnetic background which concerns our purposes, a free, self renewable and environmentally benign source of power.
The earth's electromagnetic ambient background comes from radiation, reflection, deflection, and absorption as result of Faraday's action at a distance. Special Interest Physics holds the Earth's ambient background is too small to be of little interest. From consideration of the evidence herein to follow we will change Your interest level. Information on the Earth's Magnetic Flux field is available to the public from the US Geological Survey Office in Colorado, USA. When examined and properly understood these maps yield important information regarding radiation reflection, deflection, and absorption of incoming resonate magnetic flux fields through Faraday?s action at a distance.
When properly understood, these maps yield an ambient resonate magnetic flux of 7.2 billion Volts at a point of measure. This is the part of the Earth's Energy System that relates to the Bird on a High Voltage Line. This is the Motor System that spins / rotates the Earth by resonate magnetic flux radiating from electrons which provides the energy required to rotate the Earth. This is derived thus: Earth's mass in Kg = 5.9 X 10 to the 24th power (according to "Physics for Scientists and Engineers", 2nd edition, edited by Raymond A. Serway). Using this information we can calculate the Watts of Electricity required. Absorbed flux energy heats objects from the inside out, thus the Earth's hot interior. Water is strongly diamagnetic - ocean waves present on windless days provide visible proof of the overhead incoming magnetic flux. The earth's weight and rate of spin allow for the calculation of the incoming ambient background energy required to rotate this planet.
Astrophysicist are primarily concerned with light in the visible spectrum rather than magnetic phenomenon associated with action at a distance. While solar energy can translate into electrical power, the spectrum of visible light is only a tiny portion of total resonate magnetic energy spectrum, and can therefore only translate comparatively into a tiny amount of energy. The Solar System, however, is alive with energy from the entire magnetic spectrum, and that energy is far greater than the light produced by our sun. Very high frequencies allow radio telescopes to photograph the entire Galaxy. The following is a radio photograph taken at 408 MHz, that is, all the energy visible in the photograph resonates magnetic flux at 408 MHz, far beyond the spectrum of visible light. (Photo courtesy of Radio Sky, Haslam 408 MHz; www.tuc.nrao.edu ) .
Our Milky Way Galaxy measures 150 light years, end to end. Red and Yellow indicate the actual galactic boundaries, outer radiated energy is displayed in green. Not visible in this photograph, the Earth exists near the left end of the central high energy area, surrounded by a soup of energy that extends in all directions.
Accretion and formation of Galaxies, Suns and Planets are the result of Energy Sinks. Mass retains heat and is "cooked" from the inside out by the Microwave Background provided by the Universe. Flux moving into Energy Sinks provides the frictional force known as Gravity. Spinning mass in the presence of incoming flux amplifies the gravitational effect.
Previously noted, Solar Energy represents only a very small portion of the total Magnetic Flux Energy present in our solar system and on earth. Solar Devices provide uncomplicated and inexpensive direct access to that limited spectrum of energy. They also open the door to directly accessing other, greater energy sources. All electromagnetic energy harvesting methods include three things: a catalyst, a collector, and a pump. Catalysts include sensitization through doping with certain elements, as well as air and earth grounding. Collectors include temporary storage, as in capacitors, coils, and transformers. The pump ? current system induces movement onward to a point of use. Conventional rotating coils and magnet flux systems activate the electrons present such that action at a distance can occur, serving therefore as an energy activation pump. Indirect acquisition of electrical energy by mechanical means (as in a dynamo - a combination collector and pump) drawing energy from the earth's ambient energy background) is wasteful in its low energy yield and costs to operate, troublesome to maintain, and degrades and pollutes the environment.
Direct access systems (such as solar cells) have the same effect without mechanical action. Magnetic waves, impacting and deflecting, spin local electrons sideways producing useful electrical energy. And while solar energy is inherently limited in its energy yield, accessing the full magnetic resonance spectrum offers an unending, fully renewable, environmentally benign source.
I found this site 2.5 years ago.
There is 1 driver coil. The thin one at the front bottom. The secondary is rung and the other secondaries ring in unison. They are not connected in any way.
He uses capactive trimmers on the external secondaries for fine tuning. Simple and slick.
But this can be done better. Funny thing... There is a small black box there also.
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--giantkiller.
Get Don Smiths book, a few of his projects are laid out in there ready to build.
Very interesting site GK, have you tried to replicate any of his 'Proof of concepts"?
Looks like a Tesla transmitter, using a PS of a sort to drive the smaller coil, the other secondaries are tuned to the main unit to receive the transmitted power. interesting potential project though
Quote from: Bennyboy on July 03, 2008, 06:07:48 AM
Very interesting site GK, have you tried to replicate any of his 'Proof of concepts"?
2 things,
There have been enough devices presented that are of the same type operation, performance, design, history. So now the open-source is maintained. Totally.
When I saw this 2 yrs ago I had no reference point. Even understanding the operation, I couldn't find a fit. Even researching the Joe cell. Now, however, we have enough of Dollard's, Naudin's, Hutchison's, & OU tests, history of specific people from 100 years to 5 years ago to get a real understanding of the limited forms of this technology.
For instance, I see the tuned coils above as a configuration similar to Stan Deyo's coil. There are 3 rings of 10 coils each. Each one has a coil(driver?) at the base and a vertical coil. This platform lends itself to heterodyning. Been there and have seen the spin that takes place in the environment.
IN THE WAVE LIES THE SECRETS OF CREATION; THEREFORE, KNOW THE WAVE. ;)
The differences over all are not that different. And that is what I have been looking at. To be able to slim down the possibilities. That is what has kept me here so persistant. And not unlike others here, either. Way too cool, eh?
Like each of you here, there is no competition. We are walking new ground with a great understanding of what has been hidden.
While the rest of the U.S. suffers from debilitating consumerism, this Indepence day is quite different for any of us in the OU camp. Like Wil Smith said 'I got to get me one of these!'.
I am working on the next build which is an amalgom of the simple parts of operation from previous scenarious. I ain't looking to get famous. I just want to 'Git r dun'. The old ways are just that, 'Old'.
We are never going to survive unless we get a little crazy.
--giantkiller. Happy 4th of July or any other type of freedom celebration for those in other parts of the world.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 02, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
I found this site 2.5 years ago.
There is 1 driver coil. The thin one at the front bottom. The secondary is rung and the other secondaries ring in unison. They are not connected in any way.
He uses capactive trimmers on the external secondaries for fine tuning. Simple and slick.
But this can be done better. Funny thing... There is a small black box there also.
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--giantkiller.
@GK
Just an FYI....
That little black box is very familiar to me. I have six of them. Albeit later versions. It may have been used for something else but these are typically potted oscillators, actually DC to DC converters. Put DC in and HV DC pulses come out. You'll see them in Geiger counters and small neon displays. Output was generally in the low kHz range with voltages usually around 2kV but some much higher.
A few had output filtering/smoothing but all make sparks.
I shudder and a little piece of me dies every time someone says "git r done" :'(
lol
My scope is repaired and coming home!
3 channel Heterodyne controller up and running too .01mhz to 1Mhz. Sines, triangles, squares. This blows the doors off the abode. :o
Back on board and let the tests begin.
--giantkiller.
On a side note, has anyone actually replicated Deyo's chipboard unit as shown above by GK? I'm imagining the theory is similar to the TPU with rotating magnetic fields?
Don Smiths projects work off of the premise that you can oversample from power brought into the RF range yielding more than, and not diminishing the input power source.
Funny -
MIT publically demonstrated this using a single receiver. I find it hard to believe they stopped at a single receiver. At least, I haven't found mention of the 'Next Step'.
Working ahead..
Alot of tests in the future.
--giantkiller.
Nice one brother!
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I have seen that conical staircase of coils design before, GK. I recall it as being some sort of gravity device.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 03, 2008, 09:55:15 AM
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IN THE WAVE LIES THE SECRETS OF CREATION; THEREFORE, KNOW THE WAVE. ;)
The differences over all are not that different. And that is what I have been looking at. To be able to slim down the possibilities. That is what has kept me here so persistent. And not unlike others here, either. Way too cool, eh?
Like each of you here, there is no competition. We are walking new ground with a great understanding of what has been hidden.
...
Without digging up the text on this one and feeling my way around in the spirit of your words above:
I suspect that the outer ring of coils on the first step are all hit with an impulse at the same time.
Then, the wave fronts from these coils reach the coils in the middle ring, on the second highest step, where this second set of coils are pulsed at exactly the moment of impact of the first wave fronts arrival, multiplying the energy at the wavefront.
This process is repeated for the last inner ring of coils, on the highest steps of the 'cone' shape, and then they all crash in the center.
Perhaps then some energy cone is projected/reflected upwards.
Am I on the right track?
Then what happens?
@Rosphere,
Bingo!
You'll Notice that each ring is a serial loop. A cap on each ring gives a tank within a tank wirhin a tank.
Or a tuning fork within a tuning fork within a tuning fork. 8)
The angular ascent is a cone. 3 layers instead of 1-1/2 like the ECD.
I have my 3 freq heterodyne controller hooked to my iron wire pmh. The heterodying and the harmonics are there in the system. I have to stop at this point and put safeties in. Once you get the heat controlled then the next level of build comes into play.
So the Deyo setup heterodynes 3 freqs. The freqs don't spin but travel in the same direction. But what Innovation_station and I showed is the spinning effect in space. That was audio. The magnetics do the same. The iron wire exhibits this effect as an interface tool to our senses and meassurement capabilities.
The conical shape was Tesla's favorite shape.
--giantkiller.
I recognize this device from a Stan Deyo video. He stated that it was sent to him for testing/development by a young fellow that built it but did not understand what was happening. It displayed a distinct anti-gravity effect when pulsed with sufficient voltage. Deyo also said that he had never gotten a chance to explore the device. Looks easy enough to replicate...
This is quoted out of whattsup's complitaton of erfinders quotes 2007
"Ed mentioned Sweet Sixteen yet no one understands what this means. This is what it means.
16 X 16 = 256 / 2
= 128 / 2
= 64 / 2
= 32 / 2
= 16 / 2
= 8 / 2
Sweet Sixteen was an indicator that we needed to do the above math, but why? It is clear that the result we end
up with do not parallel with what I have already stated, but when you realize that the Tesla Alternator had 16
magnets and Ed's generator has 24, the next step is to do the same thing with the number 24.
24 X 24 = 576 / 2
= 288 / 2
= 144 / 2
= 72 / 2
= 36 / 2
= 18 / 2
= 9 / 2
Spoon feeding is not my thing! If just 10 of you could begin to comprehend the insights I have brought to this
thread, this discussion would go around the world overnight, this would attract others who are further along in
their development. Again you are given the number 144. A harmonic of 432. 432/144. 432 is the square root of
the true speed of light 186624! Experimenting to find this relationship could result in 5 to 10 years of research!
Why? Because the mind is focused on results of an experiment (effect)and not on knowledge of cause!
Regards
Wonder why he wouldnt repeat it when we asked again..... i didnt want to just do this before but well that pdf is floating around so why not.
GK sorry a link? " I am also making a hydro-kinetic impulse generator (electrolisis)" Chet
GK I can't find this on utube
Quote from: ramset on July 25, 2008, 01:50:11 PM
GK sorry a link? " I am also making a hydro-kinetic impulse generator (electrolisis)" Chet
I found this on youtube. The kiwi kids are having a great time with this. Thought I would go down to Home Depot and give it a try. It cant hurt.
Then we run distributor main into the cracking chamber.
--giantkiller.
@gk
sorry bro i must do this
i just finally skimmed through this thred for the first time in a while ...
i will add this
@ERF ..... WE GONNA HAVE A LIL CHAT BRO 8)
about the ozone genny it is not yours.... as much as you think you are TESLA you are not!!!!
and yes the MOT is your toy..... my cap charged is mine and we both know they are MUCH DIFFRENT AND OPERATE COMPLEATLY DIFFRENT!!!!!!! i did not post or give out plans peroid for my cap charger .... THAT WAS AT YOUR REQUEST.... REMEMBER SURE YOU GOT A COPY OF MY HANDDRADRAWINGS AND SAW MY UNIT IN OPERATION OVER THE NET WITH MY CAM
AND THE TRUTH BE TOLD MINE CHARGES THE CAPS FASTER....... :P
BE A DINK IF YOU WANT TO
i choose not to
agin sorry gk
for the record i figured out far more things then i tought mr STEVE G.
MAY BE YOU SHOULD NOT GAVE ME SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DID!!!
LIKE WELL HUMMMM
WE SHAL SEE HOW YOU ACT B4 I PROCEED FUTHER....
no need to explain the coler convertor eh? steve?
ist
now that i am over that.....
lets talk 3 6 9 shall we?
my latest tpu idea based upon 3 6 9 .....
you need 10 coils ......
ist
want more?
here you go 3 kicker coils as i have my mot wired dubble priamaryies then you need 3 a short discharge coils... then a collector and if you want it to compound the engery cascade the coils.....
Good quick read
http://www.humanresonance.org/pyramid.html (http://www.humanresonance.org/pyramid.html)
"Research of J. Davidovits into ancient geopolymers has demonstrated through chemical X-ray analysis that the casing stones of the Giza pyramids are synthetic, being of lower density than any quarried stone due to trapped air bubbles and consisting of 85-90% calcite with other exotic mineral constituents like opal CT, hydroxy-apatite and silico-aluminates. CAT-scan work on the core stones have recorded hairs deeply embedded in the matrix of the stone, another clue that the pyramid blocks were cast using liquid stone, though RC14 dating of hair samples contained in the stone have not been reported. This type of test could establish firm construction dates for the stones, though the likelihood of later facade reconstruction is strong. Corroborating evidence for the ancient use of advanced geopolymers comes from Mesopotamia, where the manufacture of basalt has been extensively documented. Note that the synthetic stones are of high piezoelectric crystalline content.
Diverse new technologies have incorporated fractal patterning for signal enhancement, data compression and encryption. Recent acoustic resonance experiments have illuminated a connection between the PHI ratio and a nonlinear acoustic standing wave structure. Cervenka, Bednarik and Konicek at the Czech Technical University in Prague have modeled the structure of a nonlinear standing wave excited in a cylindrical resonator. Driven by periodic oscillations a resonant cavity can be stimulated to its fundamental resonant frequency producing both harmonics and subharmonics. When the standing wave is driven into high amplitude the nonlinear effects couple energy from low to high-frequency modes. This increase in harmonics can create a shockwave, diminishing the quality of the resonator dramatically. Multifrequency driving of the resonant cavity has been used to increase the energy storing. If the energy is coupled to lower frequencies, or subharmonics, less acoustic dissipation is observed allowing for a more efficient system. Bednarik describes Resonant Macrosonic Synthesis:
[T]he interactions of acoustic waves at some fixed frequencies without the energy losses in the higher harmonics is of considerable interest in acoustics. Such interaction creates the possibility of direct transformation of coherent sound at the given frequency by sound of another frequency without an electro-magnetic energy source... For a region of three modes with given angular frequencies, if the sum of two of them is equal to the remaining one, the interactions of these modes can be obtained from the nonhomogenous Burgers equation for nonlinear standing waves."
More from the prior article... I really hope folks read this
"The phi ratio describes the relative proportions of the three frequencies that stimulate the nonlinear standing wave and is also apparent in the modeled distribution of acoustic pressure along the resonant cavity which results. The coherent nonlinear structure was achieved through periodic stimulation of a medium of precise geometric boundaries designed to induce the interaction of three different resonant modes in the ratio of phi. This standing wave structure informs the phi geometry of the Orion pyramids, elucidated by the superimposition of the pattern onto a cross-section of the Great Pyramid taken along the North-South axis. The high-amplitude transduction of the piezoelectric limestone of the pyramids creates an electromagnetic field around the structures, the movement of electrons becoming toriodal or donut-shaped."
@LocalJoe!
Absolutely I read this! From this I now know that Stanley Meyer would have used the heterodyning of 3 freqs to crack water for greater efficiency.
And that my friend is why we don't stick our TPUs in oil or water!
Another big Duh! huh?
Your posts have always alluded to the same thing, PHI from different arenas.
--giantkiller. Thanks again. ;)
@Gk
I find when presenting facts its best to cover there implications in " multiple arenas" otherwise some miss it or pass on. Some are auditory learners some are visual and some prefer a combination of both. And the ammt of info on it from different places still makes me step back in awe. The golden section was lost or hindered in general public learning for some reason in the past times. God bless the internet is all i can say. Its given us the oppertunity to see all the instances from around the world and nature. From the spiral of a sea shell to the design of the pyramids it was there ;D Id still say hearing the intervals in a musical sense is what did it for me.
Joe
and this
"The most astounding aspects of Reid?s work in the Great Pyramid involved cymatic experiments which are best described in his own words, revealing the tonal origin of heiroglyphic symbols."
"Hans Jenny (Swiss doctor, artists and researcher) in 1967 discovered the world of Cymatics. In his research with the tonoscope, Jenny noticed that when the vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did not generate the same result!"
Sounds exactly like the Roslyn's chapel reference . how many cultures had this knowledge and passed it along . "The knowledge of cymatic alphabetic linguistics" my own term but so far Ive picked up on Ancient Hebrew, sandskrit, and now Egyptian hieroglyphs as well as scattered crypto references like the tiles at the chapel but too many to be a coincidence.
Don't know if the below diagram will help in explaining what goes on in a pyramid but it was fun drawing.
@local joe
The diagram in the previous post was developed by using equilateral triangles. When there is a relative increase (or decrease) in energy density I believe it is an expansion or compression of the triangle. So if we start off with a triangle with a relative vector or segment assigned the concept of 1. Then according to pathagoraus a2+b2=c2 This makes a b and c = phi. A doubling of this triangle segment represents a + b. phi plus phi = 2phi . On and on up and down the scale. Rotation of a triangle defines a circle.. So the triangle is the elementary geometric form which creates all relativity. Phi is the elementary quantifier which creates all numbers.
@Sparks,
Have you ever seen the videos of Nassim Haramein? He is all into these geometries too.
I found them very interresting. 8 hours, but worth it.
Greetings Spider
@spider
I am forever reinventing the wheel. :P Developed this diagram after trying to visualize how vortexes relate to one another. Then put it on a flat screen. Einsten's stupid spacetime grid isn't too inspiring.
This one is nice too:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheresonanceproject.org%2Fimages%2Fgraphics%2Fdualtorus.gif&hash=654144c2388681ac54a6b767f84b3c58b3cac85c)
TPU Vortex...?
Greetings Spider
spider
This is the divergent flow that may more resemble your great animation.
@Sparks,
I cannot take credit for that animation...:) Its very nice tho.
I found it here: http://theresonanceproject.org/graphics.html
Greetings Spider
Had Farraday concerned Himself With The Mag.
FIELD SURROUNDING HIS Elec. current, Man today
would already Have reached the outermost
Parts of our Galaxy.
--giantkiller
Quote from: giantkiller on August 08, 2008, 02:39:44 PM
Had Farraday concerned Himself With The Mag.
FIELD SURROUNDING HIS Elec. current, Man today
would already Have reached the outermost
Parts of our Galaxy.
--giantkiller
oh man, this type of remarks/hints drive me insane ;)
Please, keep them coming :)
Thx!
I think this could be what he would have found. This is an in out compression/expansion of time that prevails in all mass fields. You push it one way she slides down the inout vortex. And pops right back when your done. Meanwhile electricity is flowing (energy densisty intelligence exchange) all the while from both dimensional fields. Far in excess of what is needed to push the inherent bounce towards your collector. Tesla's elastic aether is already bouncing up and down the in out vortices. Just need to push the plane at the right time in resonance with the inherent bounce.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 08, 2008, 02:39:44 PM
Had Farraday concerned Himself With The Mag.
FIELD SURROUNDING HIS Elec. current...
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.ncf.ca%2Fch865%2Fgraphics%2FMagFldStraightWire.jpeg&hash=efd51e46e5c7ef206d5b16c856690ffc485693b3)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.ncf.ca%2Fch865%2Fgraphics%2FSolenoid.jpeg&hash=62c1a6d9741e1363b6d98bf16366137882c9629c)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.ncf.ca%2Fch865%2Fgraphics%2FToroidalCoil.jpeg&hash=a9cd8abdb72b44d35e346e42bbf9ed4d51006248)
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What might happen here?
A collector then is a circuit element that has a usable, finite relaxation time. During that relaxation time, the trapped electrons are potentialized without movement as current; each collecting/receiving free electron gets a little gradient across it, but no current yet flows. In other words, during this finite relaxation time (collection time), we extract potential from the source, but no current. Thus we extract energy (potential), but no power (which is voltage x amperage). During the relaxation time, we extract from the source only a flow of VPF, which is continually replaced in the source by the vacuum's violent VPF exchange with the source's bipolarity charges. We do not extract power from the battery/source during relaxation time, but we extract free energy density. That free energy density, coupling with a finite quantity of electrons, gives us a collected finite amount of energy.
Instead, we are using the activated collector as a temporary, secondary battery. We will utilize this secondary battery in a conventional manner to power the load, which will also kill the secondary battery (dissipate its trapped EM energy). But that will not affect the primary source. The primary source is never used to directly power the load. It is only used as an infinite source of potential gradient (i.e., as an infinite source of energy density).
--giantkiller.
Quote
Here's the magic secret of free electrical power: The power in the external load is absolutely free, and it always has been free.17 In any load circuit, the only power you have to pay for, and have ever had to pay for, is the power you incorrectly use to kill your own primary source. The only power that "costs" more effort/dollars is the power erroneously utilized inside the source to "close the gate" and kill the primary source. Your electric power company doesn't pay for any of the collected energy on your load circuits that is dissipated to power your house. Instead, the power company charges you for its own ignorance. It charges you for its insane use of its own freely extracted electrical energy to continually kill the bipolarity in each of its generators, thus continually killing the free electrical source of that generator's energy.18
In any electric circuit, we can continue to indefinitely power the external load indirectly from a source, so long as we are not so naive as to use any of the free energy we extract from the primary source to dissipate back inside the primary source itself and shut it off!
And we can easily and freely multiply electrical potential. As an example, given a single good source of potential, a hundred radial wires can be connected to the source. The same potential will now appear at each of the ends of the hundred wires. A switcher/collector unit can then operate from each radial line's end, and power external loads, without "loading" the original primary source. This "cascading" can be continued indefinitely. A single power plant, e.g., can power the entire electrical grid of the United States. And a single automobile battery can power a large, agile, electric automobile at highway speeds, with sports car acceleration, with unlimited range, without "refueling," and with no noxious chemical exhaust.
Sounds like what Tesla did with his car.
So at resonance we get the full potential, no current spike in the green box. Then shown in the red box, current flows(where the self-defeating parasites live). We then should not use the current side but the potential side of the wave. The spike keeps pushing more and more potential in the mag field. The cap keeps storing more and more of the gift. Anybody ever seen a cap 'cool charge' hundreds of times higher than its rated capactiy and not get hurt?
Keep hitting the coil at resonance and use that potential spike for energy. The field exits the coil and hits another coil in resonance and they chime together. One can always use the CEMF as an added benefit. The initial pulse and the CEMF both have relaxation on the back side of the pulse which is much faster.
So make a tank circuit with the cap or other caps in reverse inside the coil. That would be easy to hide.8)
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 14, 2008, 11:30:12 AM
A collector then is a circuit element that has a usable, finite relaxation time. During that relaxation time, the trapped electrons are potentialized without movement as current; each collecting/receiving free electron gets a little gradient across it, but no current yet flows. In other words, during this finite relaxation time (collection time), we extract potential from the source, but no current. Thus we extract energy (potential), but no power (which is voltage x amperage). During the relaxation time, we extract from the source only a flow of VPF, which is continually replaced in the source by the vacuum's violent VPF exchange with the source's bipolarity charges. We do not extract power from the battery/source during relaxation time, but we extract free energy density. That free energy density, coupling with a finite quantity of electrons, gives us a collected finite amount of energy.
Instead, we are using the activated collector as a temporary, secondary battery. We will utilize this secondary battery in a conventional manner to power the load, which will also kill the secondary battery (dissipate its trapped EM energy). But that will not affect the primary source. The primary source is never used to directly power the load. It is only used as an infinite source of potential gradient (i.e., as an infinite source of energy density).
--giantkiller.
@GK,
How/what means/way is this energy stored in the activated collector?
Spider.
@Spider,
Bearden's explaination fits right in with the TPU some what. I saw this analogy about the collector. Load, coil or wire didn't matter to me.
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%209%20Feb%201993/indexold.html
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%2013%20May%201994/index.html Figure 1 looks just the single transformer stun gun I have posted before. Ha ha!
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm ---- I have never read of anybody rebuking JLNaudin.
Then I connected NT 512340 as the collector because of the inherent storage.
Statement 40.
http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm
--giantkiller.
gk what was the highest you ever let the caps charge.... lol the most i have done so far was 400v 300 uf there bouts .... WOW what a BANG....
:)
ist
35v caps charged to 250v.
Money makes brain cells atrophy, atrophy, atrophy
Money lets the innocent children die,children die, You stupid people fu..ckers
@GK,
thank you for the links. I have read them, will try to take it with me in my experimenting. Still studying hard every day. Already acquired a sh*tload of equipment. Trying to get familiar with every electric and electronic element. Caps, coils, fets, drivers, diodes, microprocessors, etc.
I'll get there.....:)
I already figured out that the tpu's must have been very efficient devices, everything I have done so far the stored energy is gone in seconds...
Spider.
Quote from: Spider on August 14, 2008, 04:46:13 PM
@GK,
thank you for the links. I have read them, will try to take it with me in my experimenting. Still studying hard every day. Already acquired a sh*tload of equipment. Trying to get familiar with every electric and electronic element. Caps, coils, fets, drivers, diodes, microprocessors, etc.
I'll get there.....:)
I already figured out that the tpu's must have been very efficient devices, everything I have done so far the stored energy is gone in seconds...
Spider.
Sure. Always seperate the wheat from the chaff. The length of storage time is a short somewhere according to Bearden.
--giantkiller.
And now for the coup de grace:
http://www.geocities.com/phoenix_risingiii/KosolDevice/section2.html
Whoa....
I got this on my desk right now.
The combination of these fields creates the electron shell where electrons are constantly being drawn in and can not get out which tends to build over time. The excitation field accelerates them towards their normal atomic speeds or vibrations. The manipulation of this electron layers vibrations by the tensor energy alters torsion and thus gravity for the whole system. If the combination pushes towards a higher density then gravity is reduced and time speeds up for all atoms effected.
--giantkiller. Duped over here too.
Much detail matches the windings.
http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Overunity.htm (http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Overunity.htm)
This is the first document anybody persuing the TPU or any ring configuration of inductors.
--giantkiller.
I started this thread to capture the main documentation of rotating magnetic field against copper.
This is a must read for anybody pursuing this technology.
--giantkiller. Winding will do you no good until you know what you are up against.
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The Peculiar Nature of Copper:
On rotating magnetic fields and mass rotation:
I believe you are missing a valuble quality of the nature of Copper which may shed light on this concept. The major weight of the copper atom lies in the nucleus. The nucleus of a copper atom is magnetic, but its electron shell is not magnetic but electric.
If you place copper in a rotating magnetic field one of two outcomes will happen. The copper will be physically dragged along with the moving magnetic field, or if the angle intersects wire at 90 degrees you will produce an electric flow. You get torsion or EM and the two are not the same.
The mass of the copper can thus be rotated without physically moving the copper device at the electron or matter bonding point.
As the moving magnetic field intersects a wire at 90 degrees the familiar kick will emerge. If you stretch this pulse out on your scope you will notice it is a series of sine waves at the NMR frequency. Maybe about 6 sine pulses at approximastly 5 Mhz.
Copper will act like a magnet at the Proton layer and it will follow a moving magnetic field, precessing around the polar alignment. These NMR pulses were discovered in the 50's by a nobel prize winner, and then abruptly forgotten, where down to now we still believe the myth that induction and diamagnetic fields happen only on the electron shell. Not true, the Proton is very much involved in this process.
Because the Proton will lag the turn of the magnetic field due to its higher mass we get a dragging effect from that layer that pulls the electron shell into a negative or dragged state. Induction lags in time frame, and the NMR rate is the factor by which it lags.
The TPU would seem to be turning the magnetic field in the copper atoms, using 90 degree pulsing coils. To make it turn completely over takes only a syncronized pulsing scheme. The magnetic field will rotate its poles through the collector wire loop. As the poles cross the wire no current will flow and energy will move into the torsion field, as the magnetic field moves past the 90 degree angle with the collector wire the energy will shoot into the electric field and the series of very high pulses will be shot down the wire as it crosses.
The TPU is embedded in cork to stop it from vibrating to pieces. Each time the magnetic field moves between the torsion state and the Electric state it creates a small jerk and makes a physical motion of the wires.
The TPU exhibits an inertial momentum, or gyro effect because its Proton layer is in a spinning motion of its magnetic poles, this creates a "forced precession". Best guess.
The entire mass of the copper is in rotation at the nucleus, this is one quality of copper making it an AG metal.
Dave L
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http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Overunity.htm (http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Overunity.htm)
Over unity in Copper
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Preface:
A device that appears to produce more output energy than goes into it can be loosely called an over unity device. However we know that energy does not come from no where. There is much speculation as to where this energy might come from, and many theories have been written now at the beginning of the 21st century, but to date no one is freely sharing a working device with the world. The purpose of this document is to show that this is very possible, and from what we already know today. One need only give up the notion that Copper atoms run on energy from the big bang winding down, and adopt a more rational concept that they are actually powered moment to moment from a light speed spin existing within them that produces continual mass momentum of the nucleus which is self regulating and self recovering back to a near light speed constant. A redirection of this internal force can set the stage to capture the internal energy.
In 1997 a device surfaced claimed to have been created by Steven Mark that was shown to produce some 1 Kw of power containing little more than Copper windings embedded in cork and plastic and some "secret" pulsing circuitry. The device was sealed, suposedly due to financial reasons.Once started up this device was self powering. One more example to be added to Floyd Sweet and Hubbard that appears to be over unity with respect to our physical world.
Theoretical:
Looking closely at NMR [nuclear magnetic resonance] it becomes apparent that devices that pulse copper coils can be set up to produce more electric output than is put into them to cause the output that it should based on the simple turns ratio formulas, using 90 degree positioned coils. While this apears exciting on the surface we must realize there is a difference between the presence of voltage, and power, which is also a function of the current flowing. To cause an output from Copper wire which is driven, not entirely by the input pulse, but by the input pulse plus the atoms natural self regulating negative response to the input pulse and its normal mass rotation, seems to be the method. This can be though of as redirection of the atoms natural nuclear force. Wilbert Smith also spoke of reversed precession, found in Otis Carrs saga as forced precession. These are mass and motion manipulations, and when we compare the interaction of voltage and current in Copper we see the tempic field split the electric and magnetic forces into a leading and lagging situation. Normally this will not create an OU situation. The feeling of most studying the OU devices we have had access to, believe there is a condition possible that will in fact do this. The factor that is not being considered in the normal EM technology is the mass of rotation at the nucleus, and its natural precession motion. If this motion can be altered to lower the atoms negative responses than a tempic field acceleration may be possible. Copper has a magnetic hook at the nucleus allowing mass rotational effects to be manipulated. We have been finding this normally around 1 to 2 Mhz in many of the coil devices we are experimenting with. The actual frequency is a function of the magnetic field intensity, so with AC this is in a state of constant change and may follow the normal EM resonance of coils.
Density sphere:
[Square wave transmittion]
It is not normally expected that a square wave can propagate a transformer because copper is seen conventionally to react only to a changing current.
In normal EM interactions, as we hit the electron shell with a flowing electric current, the Protons magnetic field will turn to align with it one of two ways, but it will always follow the magnetic poles bringing spin of mass along with it. The Proton will turn slower, however it carries the mass of the atom with it so the tempic field effect is a dragging of the current generated back out by the effect. This will cause the current to lag the voltage as the mass spins up, dragging the electron flow on the surface of the electron shell. The interaction resists the change of current and not its static state. Conventional EM electronics believes this is strictly an electron shell effect but will agree that the current will in fact lag the voltage in copper coils and this is a "real time" or tempic field effect. What they miss is that the effect is also a geometricly spherical effect and 90 degree coils can show this, they do not normally identify this with the coppers mass. In the 90 degree coil set ups we see extremely high voltage spikes as the voltage is turned 90 degrees faster than the Proton can turn the mass of the nucleus.
As we turn the magnetic field by 90 degrees, there is a reverse current surge along the original spin plane and a voltage surge along the new spin plane at 90 degrees. The two sit in spinning opposition to one another because one is the back EM and one is the forward EM. We have now seperated the forwards Electron spin from the dragging Proton spin for a measure of real time at the NMR rate angularly. If we place two sets of coils on a density sphere at 90 degrees, pulse two at 90 degrees in series, then extract from two more in "series reversing" we get back out the original wave by capturing both spin planes and combining the current surge back into the voltage surge as aiding pulses rather than countering ones. The coil config will pass a square wave through it keeping the sides very sharp as it captures both surges. This is quite an accomplishment for a copper transformer. Passing a true square wave.We have captured both halves of this from both spin planes at 90 degrees and recombined them by reversing the phase. It is also possible to put an AC voltage into one scalar coil set and get the original wave back out by using the other two coils at 90 degrees to the primary. With these configurations we see actual power moving through a scalar cancelling coil and having enough current to carry a load. This is in direct violation to current teachings for EM as to cancelled magnetic fields.
Under normal circumstances the density sphere can give nearly a 1 to 1 power throughput on this and carry a load with a square wave moving through it. Very strange to see a scalar cancelling coil transmitting power to a load. Also very strange to see a square wave moving through a transformer, with flat tops to the wave forms, which are not thought to be a change of current, but when broken down at two angles in fact are.
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In a system with one coil wrapped at 90 degrees over a larger inner coil to form a donut the following wave forms are observed. The system is pulsed with square waves of almost any frequency below 5 MHz.
Shown on the left, the length of the square wave input pulse for the donut setup was altered to see what change it had on output and discovered that there only need be one pulse of around 5 MHz to produce the full output signature observed on the right above. NMR teaches that a 1/4 wave pulse is all that is necessary to set the mass of the copper atoms nucleus into motion. If one now adds these output pulses up coming back out of the 90 degree coil they discover it apears to have more energy over time than the single pulse starting the process. The output energy is directly related to the mass of the Copper under transition as it continues to move after the initial pulse is gone, and larger more massive coils produce more power output on this trailing ringing wave. Small coils produce unstable pulses and touching them can disturb these, but more massive coils produce strong pulses immune to external capacitive effects that become very stable. A single loop coil 6 inches wrapped with #10 wire, surrounded by 5 more #10 Copper rings produces strong pulses that are immune to touching.
The scope is showing the voltage surges, as the electron shell is released from the normal drag when the protons spin is aligned with it. The two forces are countering one another. We see the energy comming out along a different angular axis as the two shells are not in alignment.
The key to power extraction may be related to how the atoms of Copper recover, and it has been observed that the back EMF pulses are often more powerful than the electronics that generate them, often even burning out the driver transistors. While this process may seem rather random, it is not random but related to the NMR rates and when the pulses coincide. You may well pulse up a device many times and only on one out of 100 times the back EMF pulse will fry a transistor.This is probably due to NMR pulses stacking between the coils interactions. This is increased by adding copper to the core of the coils, or a combination of copper wrapped over iron. If done synchronously at the NMR rate I would expect we could learn to fry them every single time. We only need have two of the highest pulses hit at the same moment in time to double its amplitude.
Secondly it was amazingly discovered that even scalar wound coils still produce the NMR pulse just before the energy moves out of the EM layer. These kicks are ever present in scalar wound input coils as well as 90 degree coils wrapped around them.
It has been pointed out that using pulses at 90 degrees to one another does not create a true rotating magnetic field, however one must realize that at the Proton layer, the torsion is in fact in mass rotation. The rotation however is a spiral rotation and it is driven by the mass of the copper that is in rotation. While a pulse of EM through the Copper moves along its Electron shell, the spiraling rotation at the Proton shell is very real, and the tempic field is set now into a smooth sine wave spiraling motion containing a constant energy not totally related to the energy it took to start this redirection of its normal motion, but to its mass.
On the Steven Marks Device:
Observing the rotation of a magnetic field through a Copper wire, where the field moves, not in the normal method of electric motors but between two coils at 90 degrees to one another in the donut pattern. Magnetic field rotates along the Electron shell, and tempic field swings along the Protons shell which is directly connected to its mass , a distance linear force. This process is an inertial momentum at the Proton layer but becomes EM as it hits the Electron shell once again coming outwards in Copper. This results in a magnetic rotation as well that can be measured with a compass at low frequencies.
The one main advantage to using Copper is that it is the one element that will propagate both EM and Torsion fields through its length. The torsion flows most freely when setting at 45 degrees to the magnetic field, so as the field swings between each 90 degree angle there will be a spurt of torsion through the wire as it crosses 45 degrees. This will cause a physical vibration or a motional effect. As the magnetic field crosses 90 degrees to a wire we get the NMR pulse train an EM effect.
If it were possible to wind many coils at various angles to the input coil, one every few degrees, we would see an almost constant output of pulses in time as the field swings only 90 degrees back and forth between two pulsing coils.
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360 degree rotation
If we can master rotation of the Copper nucleus in the correct spin direction, with the correct pulsing configuration, it may be possible to achieve a 360 degree spiral rotation which begins to counter natural precession, and constantly outputting more energy than it take to achieve this rotation. Observing lasigous patterns on an O-scope is an example of this in two dimensions. We must master a three dimensional one however to achieve a complete mass rotation and turn our Copper nucleus mass into a motor armature. If the recovery system of the atoms mass now moves into a closed repeating loop then energy can be extracted from the recovery energy that should far exceed energy to start the process. This is based on the observation that Copper atoms will always recover no matter the load we place on them, they always push back with stronger force.
An EM Density sphere:
A density sphere created on a solid or a hollow Copper sphere would be expected to attain a coherent torsion field through out, and thus using coils wrapped around it at various angles would provide start up energy as well as tapping energy. Output coils must be separate from input coils, and coils can all be driven with the natural outputs from other NMR resonant donut coils producing the correct frequencies of NMR pulses or very close to it.
In this special case of a density sphere, we are moving not only torsion fields but Electron fields into interaction. Voltage follows the Electron shell and current follows the Protons turns angularly. EM resonant coils can be placed at 45 degrees to torsion resonant coils if both interactions are desired to study.
Output is a direct function of Copper mass in rotation along the tempic field. Since the tempic field effects density and gravity as well, this spherical device will emulate a single copper atom along the torsion field, and a single coherent magnet along the Electron shell when Electrons are flowing.
This is the first motor suggested that contains a 3 dimensional armature composed of the mass of all the Copper present in the sphere. The sphere is a Copper only device.
It is believed that using a sphere will allow these principles of mass rotation to be accurately studied and documented. Three large and separate donut coils can be used to drive the system tied to three or more driver coils on the sphere at various angles. In this way independent or non coherent Copper driver coils can be used to pulse the sphere into mass rotation rather than an enormous system of pulsing circuits. Feedback can be via electric or tempic field depending on the coils positioning. 90 degree coils in series can rebuild tempic fields at 5 Mhz external to the device to provide feedback from a 45 degree coil, or 5 Mhz resonant EM coils can be used.
Control requires only three pulsing transistors that can vary frequency and phase.These are run into three separate donut coils and output will be NMR resonant pulses based on the mass of the donuts. To totally eliminate the possibility of frying the transistors the primary side of the donuts can be wound with scalar coils, this will eliminate any possible back EMF. The output side will be normal wound coils, 5 MHz resonant, and feed the next coil series.
Reversed precession:
If a density sphere is driven with DC pulses along the three planes of motion, the magnetic field will move into a precession motion. The North pole of the coils will move in a basic triangle without flipping over. Protons spinning mass will lag this turn. If the direction of rotation is reverse of the Protons mass spin this may lower inductive drag and accelerate the atoms energy state. It is very probably this sort of manipulation at the NMR rates that may lead to some intresting effects in Copper offering more energy out than goes in.
Density sphere as a transformer:
With correct configuration of four coils on the surface of a density sphere we can create a transformer that will pass square waves as well as power a load.
With four coils in another configuration we can power a load using a scalar coil primary in only one spin plane and capturing voltage and current from the other two spin planes as it swings between them. This uses all three spin planes. As the scalar coil is powered with AC the voltage and current alternate between the 90 degree coils and can be recombined in the correct phases to add rather than counter.
This shows the mechanism of scalar cancelling coils and how the actual energy present is not lost, but moves into the inertial momentum of the particle spin motions, and then back out. It also shows how the elements of electronics are actually split between the two shells in operation. The electron being lighter and faster carrying the voltage aspect, and the Proton being slower but more massive carrying the current aspect of the force, in copper. The interaction between the two carrying the power, which is the product of both normally countering spin forces.
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512340 is good model for a field within a field using 1 pulse.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat512340.pdf
382282 is important in that with two signals it begets a bucking coil unless you drive the segments individually. Then if you goto 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 you will notice other devices come to mind like Searl, Hubbard, Coler, THBrown.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf
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Poynting vectors
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-02TSpring-2005/AF77CD53-1575-4AA8-B3FB-78A3E99EB066/0/prs_w12d2.pdf
Most excellent post, GK. The NZ link ties together several things I've seen here, and a couple of things Pauldude and I have tossed about, especially regarding mass. It's also given me ideas for my next few coil winds. One is a design I never tried that seems obvious now, and is just as SM described - three coils, one over the other: A horizontal collector, two control coils oppositely opposed at 45 degrees to the collector, and a third at 90 degrees as the outermost coil. Gotta get some bench time!
Quote from: buzz-ard on August 19, 2008, 01:49:22 AM
Most excellent post, GK. The NZ link ties together several things I've seen here, and a couple of things Pauldude and I have tossed about, especially regarding mass. It's also given me ideas for my next few coil winds. One is a design I never tried that seems obvious now, and is just as SM described - three coils, one over the other: A horizontal collector, two control coils oppositely opposed at 45 degrees to the collector, and a third at 90 degrees as the outermost coil. Gotta get some bench time!
Yep,
I just scooped it all up as it appeared online this time. Can't let it get away.
As I looked over Marcos coils and some that I have built I am blown away at the simplicity of the true operation. This doco puts it all in perspective.
So I started a new locked thread 'Over unity in copper' and put that last post in it. I also asked Stefan to pin it so it stays in the forefront. I won't post anything else to it. It is core information.
Because if a poster can not get past this info then he will just be wasting his or her time.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
Nice job in securing this important document!! :)
After reading it over and over, and some more stuff, my personal favorite theory for today (only today :) ) for Teslas radiant energy, kicks, tpu function, goes to: Magnetic Reconnection at the Proton Layer.
Spider.
If it works on the Sun, then why not in its shadow....
Quote from: giantkiller on August 19, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
The Peculiar Nature of Copper:
On rotating magnetic fields and mass rotation:
I remember when this first came out - couple of years ago. I have seen this group perform a lot of experiments and post results, but never the real meat. Look at the Kosol spherical device and look at a TPU - and then tell me that they are on the right track...
By the way, you will have one Hell of a time trying to control that configuration (the one on the web site with the controls wrapped around the collector).
Hi GK:
I just finished with your posts on the NMR and the definitions given. WOW is all I can say. This brought back an idea
I had some time ago on the 15" TPU. Take the circumference and it works out to basically 245Mhz. Now that in its self
is not much to squawk about. Add to that frequency the fact that its the center for solar protron energy flares and you
have a solar event.
What is the chances these torrids collect the solar energy??? Just rambling but hey.....
thaelin
Quote from: Grumpy on August 19, 2008, 09:46:46 AM
I remember when this first came out - couple of years ago. I have seen this group perform a lot of experiments and post results, but never the real meat. Look at the Kosol spherical device and look at a TPU - and then tell me that they are on the right track...
By the way, you will have one Hell of a time trying to control that configuration (the one on the web site with the controls wrapped around the collector).
Yes,
But electrically Coler, Hubbard, and magneto-mechanically Searl have devices that work. Their controls are wrapped around the outside too! Strictly symantics.
I find humor in the last statement. 'The controls are wrapped around the collector'. 2 ways to do that, huh? I am sure the Kosol and TPU are shortcuts but not complete enough.
--giantkiller.
And like Sparks hinted to all along. It is only a matter of deciding what vectors to line up.
And this one is for everybody.
If current leads magnetic field then in the trailing part when the current has dimished would the diminishing magnetic field look or act like a 45degree angle? In other words could the process be gained by the vectors relaxing caused by the diminishing field?
And has anyone found a graphic showing how the CU atom and its electrons align during current flow or magnetism? I would like to see some really dynamic ones with all the electrons in place and not just the valence orbit. Been looking and haven't tracked one down yet.
--giantkiller. A piece of copper tubing from 5,000 years ago was unearthed by archaeologists from the Pyramid of Cheops in Egypt.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 14, 2008, 04:52:22 PM
Sure. Always seperate the wheat from the chaff. The length of storage time is a short somewhere according to Bearden.
--giantkiller.
@GK and Spider
Hello and sorry for the late post, but when I was reading your post about capacitors, I immediately thought of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq-nxPkQa7g ?Self Running Bedini SG Oscillator?
On the video, qiman13 starts the oscillating by slapping a magnet on the trifilar coil. This is the description:
?This is a trifilar Bedini SG self oscillator as opposed to other oscillator methods with the Bedini circuits.
2000 turns...front side cap running it...output to cap..output cap feeds back to front cap isolated so front cap doesn't see back cap.
Becomes self running by 1 wire connection to ground rod.?I am not sure if this is relevant or not, but I wanted to bring it up.
Juan
Quote from: giantkiller on August 19, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Yes,
But electrically Coler, Hubbard, and magneto-mechanically Searl have devices that work. Their controls are wrapped around the outside too! Strictly symantics.
I find humor in the last statement. 'The controls are wrapped around the collector'. 2 ways to do that, huh? I am sure the Kosol and TPU are shortcuts but not complete enough.
--giantkiller.
...and the good observer will also note that all of those devices used magnets. Control on Hubbard outer coils is under the secondary since secondary (collector) has to be in the compressed field.
Oh and there was the MAGVID too.
Well, as someone who just smoked two magnifier coils - I recommend you use an arrangment that gets the field out of the coils - Ed Grey and Hubbard do this and ED Grey is about to roll.
gk ;D
i cant get over this bedini circuit yet..... it has ran my motor 2.5 days used .06v and recharged 1.6v in a dead battery wow
those are 12v solar deepcycle and a lawn tractor battery and i havent even taped the rotation yet ;)
so got my best and simplest tpu design so far from this lil unit...
yes of course i can start it from a swip of a magnet it will use a 9v battery it will have 3 sepreate freq adjustments and i should be able to tune them indivually to
create rotation as 1 only the bemf will travel through my collector .... it will be converted via diode then will be induced form the coils
also you will notice i can "rev" it up with the use of an external magnet :o 8)
yeah!!!
ist
1 more thing there is NO HEAT anywhere...... each and every part has remained cold....
Conductors with their odd # protonic configuration produce an eigth electron energy field which circumnavigates the electron shell. DC potential causes the randomized cyclones to choose an axis and stay put. The neucleus then rolls it's 7th proton in alignment with the inout flow. This creates a crystallization of the previously amorphous molecular bonding.
Hello again.
The electron shell vortices are powered by the intrinsic energy or heat of the atomic mass. Their adjustment to the external dielectric information is powered by the intrinsic energy or heat of the atomic mass. The magnetic field radiated about the conductor is powered by the intrinsic energy or heat of the atomic mass. Further increase in voltage beyond that needed to initiate the crystallization of the conductor will result in conversion of this atomic intrinsic energy into radiant energy which will follow the rules as predicated by Einstein and others along the lines of E=MC2 V1/V2.
As you can see there is a window of oppurtunity to capitolize on the elicited mass energy by using a magnetic energy collection system. This system will have to take into account the ambient magnetic field energy. The conductor atomic mass dipole migration is directly influenced by the magnetic information of the Earth core to space relative heat density. Iron is basically frozen Earth core and becomes a tuned receiver of this information. By synchronizing the dc polarization of the conductor mass in harmony with this "natural" magnetic energy flow of the Earth we can harness neuclear intrinsic heat energy. Each atom now becoming a heat battery. Recharged by the aetheric heat.
@sparks,
thanks. I think I see the axis' of all the electrons in an atom pointing in all directions that looks like a cloud. But the current or flux will cause the electron orbits to align all their axis' as one, meaning they all line up in the same direction?
--giantkiller.
I believe the "holes" in the electron shell align magnetically with the applied voltage. This happens real fast within tetrahertz time frames. The neucleus with it's high inertial field takes a little while getting there or rolling to the newly arranged holes. But once in motion tends to stay in motion. So now we have a revolving atomic structure with yes it's axis all lined up with it's neighbors. Pulsing the mass field can strengthen this rotation whereas slow speed currents will fight it and turn it into heat.
So the magnetic field is established with current or high potential and then the established magnetic field reacts very fast to changes.
Very interesting....
--giantkiller.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDFuUgXWHIw&feature=related
I thought I was extreme working with 27kv this dude is wack.
Quote from: sparks on August 22, 2008, 07:15:23 AM
I thought I was extreme working with 27kv this dude is wack.
On #3 video he says his ankle/foot is healed from being broken.
They all talked about the electricity going through the chain mail
around his body. Idiots!
What they failed to realize is that when the conduction potential was at his leg the whole leg becomes a conductor not just the outside.
As the current goes in a direction there are other high speed energies that produce shock waves perpendicular to the direction of travel.
Like dropping a stone in water. But we all know this. ;)
--giantkiller.
Below diagram is how I picture what voltage does to a wire as it is effected by relative energy density information imposed on the terminals. The wire becoming the dielectric between two capacitor plates. The energy density information being specific in it's radiation pattern based on it's mass parameters.
@GK
Below diagram is what I call plazma tunneling. I believe it happens everywhere there is a relativity between energy density. Not mass density but energy density. The case shown is tunneling in a conductor. The light blue field is the ambient heat distribution information or energy density information. The voltage is applied between the ends of the conductor field. The magnetic field or actual heat movement is demonstrated by the light blue lines. Two different types
of aether whirlwinds produced by energy density fields. Heat vortices absorbing the voltage or sometimes called voltage drop.
Sparks
I've been reading your work for some time now. You have a lot of really interesting and far out ideas. Have you ever thought of organizing them all into a book or pdf so that they would be more cohesively interwoven? Scattered throughout the various threads seems to break up the flow of what you are trying to say, and how you see it all, obviously profound insights.
Thanks
Yeah men you need to document for the heydude.
GK an interesting Coil [from Sirmikey] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
Quote from: ramset on August 23, 2008, 06:37:47 PM
GK an interesting Coil [from Sirmikey] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
Yep,
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0&NR=1
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW18GGGKJQM&feature=related
--giantkiller
The 3 resonant coil capacitor combo's are voltage drop cells for the pulsed dc from the hf torroidal transformer. I see this as squeezing heat of the space within the inductor cavity into the copper conductor core. Extraction of this heat is at the unsaturable core reactor. ;) The copper conductor core's action can be enhanced by running two rings and paying attention to the dielectric field between them. The leakage inductance now emptying the core for another pulse collection. Things would get even more interesting if the cores took on the form of a couple of turns of Tesla style bifilar pancake coils.
In the Barkhausen effect, a large coil of fine wire is connected through an amplifier to a speaker. When an iron rod is placed within the coil and stroked with a magnet, an audible roaring sound will be produced from the sudden realignments of the magnetic domains within the rod. A copper rod, on the other hand, produces no effect.
--giantkiller.
Ok, boys and girls, this is a wake up call!Please place your troughs in the upright storage position, extinguish all attitudes, and fasten your crap belts.
This pertains to a dynamic magnetic field residing internally within a static magnetic field. Albeit, a small reference in time is chosen due to the cataclysmic event window.
Ottos one wire device, a signal is run thru the coil and then routed back thru the center.
Grumpy's iron wire delay coil, a signal is shot thru 2 parallel coils bifilar. We delay one.
Depalma's N-field machine, A magnetic field is spinning.
The GK4 and any other bifilar, or trifilar coil. A dynamic field is excited inside another field.
And the latest CU/steel bifilar. The copper releases faster than the steel.
Searl.
Deyo.
Coler.
Hubbard.
And last but not least:
The Telsa dual wound return coupled Pancake coil Figure 2 http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat512340.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat512340.pdf)
In all these devices
we have an internal field and an external field and one of them is moving faster than the other. Oops, I just had an accident. :D
RE-OU-v6.pdf, Top of page 8:
QuoteThe strong M field will induce power in the smaller M field attracting it. That power can manifest in POWER
correction alike form or as a POWERFULL CEMF pulse (EASER) but definitively the WAY to transfer
magnetic energy is made by 5 basic means: mechanical movement, induction, modulation, radiation (RF),
(Electronic) transformation transformers.
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--giantkiller. This should rattle a few cages, eh?
The idea here is to get the frequency cylce to make an appearance so that the magnetic field swipes across the collector.
The blue represents a dc bias. Using sine waves will give more control and less heat than square waves.
The smaller tpus were square waves and the big ones were dual sine waves.
--giantkiller.
boy, do I feel stupid right now ;)
A few months ago, I made a Tesla pancake. One copper, one iron winding.
I fed it with a full wave rectified sine from a simple transformer at 50Hz, no smoothing caps
When I held a magnet nearby inside my hand, the magnet started to vibrate strongly. But at a much much slower frequency than the 50Hz I would expect.
I put it aside thinking that if things were so simple, somebody else would already have seen this.
Maybe there is more to it.
Now, where is that pancake.... 8)
Tesla didn't waste a drop of input from his spark gaps. He created a primary resonant circuit which involved parallel inductors and a capacitor made from a bifilar wound winding. One inductor would be a motor/motors and the second inductor would be a primary for his voltage stepup transformer. As he rang the tank circuit the motor would spin along with a primary magnetic concentration across the "laminated" copper secondary. The loose inductive coupling between the resonating tank and the secondary being key.
Tesla would drive the voltage at the ball capacitor up to the ionizing voltage of air while the other end of the secondary was emitting em waves through the ground. The voltage at the ball purely electrostatic in nature and creating a standing longitudanal charged capacitor plane. The emwaves in the ground alternately creating varying voltage relative to this plane. Beats the krap out of high tension wires strung between dead trees all alongside the roadways getting rained on.
@sparks,
Yep. http://www.glafreniere.com/sa_electron.htm (http://www.glafreniere.com/sa_electron.htm) from the RE_OU_v6.pdf Page 12.
@ all,
Since this thread covers the narrow conduction path of 1 to 1 sharp points(sparks), 1 to many points(streamers), or many to many(heterodyning in space). These things all belong here. 8)
I include this picture as the explanation of the SM17. Remember the 3 loops on the cutaway of the 15"? The middle one is an antenna. Use the top and bottom one in a heterodying process.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
Ok, boys and girls, this is a wake up call!
In all these devices we have an internal field and an external field and one of them is moving faster than the other. Oops, I just had an accident. :D
I have been using the analogy of an "airplane wing" for many moons now - flow over top is faster than flow under bottom - the creates a force perpendicular to the flow (with a wing this is "lift"). I.E. the aether moves across the wires working it's magic as virtual charges moving at an enormous velocity. As was pointed out earlier in the TPU Test Results thread - it is the moving charge that induces - not the magnetic field - and doing without mass restrictions is the way to go.
(Oh, and the iron delay is SM's - not mine.)
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I am convinced that all mass structuring emits "radioactivity" all the time. Mass being nothing more than a mix of vibrations between two primal forces of radiation and concentration. One force at rest while the other is at work. Partners in creation! Planck's work with blackbody radiation tells us that there is a definded em radiation depending on the heat content of a given spacial dimension.. So each atom is continously producing radioactivity at a frequency dependent on it's heat density or temperature K. As are we. We run at about 300k and emit far infrared em. Cosmic background radiation 3k in the microwave band. The sun 1500k mostly in the visible light band. The radiation pattern or wave synthesis in the atomic structuring of an element is unique and mostly self-replicating. The far reaches of the atom or interface plane or valence shell is where things start to get messy. This is where the frequency between expansion and contraction creates a bumpy nodal plane whose dimension is constantly in a state of flux. This state of flux can be represented by a unique electromagnetic wave emission pattern.
Alignment of the individual atomic nodal shells results in the magnification of the radioactive field surrounding the individual atoms. By the same mechanism molecular bonding arising from the relative packing of the atomic nodal shells can be disrupted with a resultant dual signature emwave emission from the parent atoms. Really no need to ionize the atom or split or fuse it. Just jiggle it a bit.
@sparks,
Quote
Radiant Energy and OverUnity Page 12
2.6 Levels of transformation
OU is Transformation. If a magnetic flux is switched ON and OFF in any system with a MINOR force, you have
OU. The same happens with a static charge (ref Thestatika). The MEG is an example of a MagnetoTransistor,
requiring a perfect tuning, but with the disadvantage of loosing it at loading. The solution is to have a resonant
MEG with transverter diode plug and capacitor discharge system. Pulse length as to permit discharging the
accumulated Radiant Energy component in a totally non-reflecting way to the source.
Understanding the mechanics of how the power is transferred from the AMBIENT into the device, becomes
more analytically tangible as some BOOK rules can be applied to justify that TRANSFORMATION. In ZPE we
deal with variables interlaced with other variables, we start with 3 electric ones that subdivide into 3 more each
and so on to 48+1 levels of basic inter-related LAWS starting from basic Ohms law. Academia knowledge just
needs to be "restructured" as to define aether density and other yet to be known forces related to energy
transformation. OU is not magic, is the magic of transformation itself!
The energy is transferred from Thermal-magnetic regions. If FORCED more then it is transferred from
ELECTRON spin, electron DECAYS becomes VITRON emitting photon (be careful with the BLUE odic flame
= vitrons). Avoid contact; as anomaly fields are created like with the ?USS Eldridge?, where time is beginning to
be distorted (transfers energy from time space tensor, degausses zone, as the Famous Philadelphia experiment
did). Energy transfer becomes awesome force.
If increased furthermore, the HELRAISER effect takes place, where reality is degaussed. Morphogenetic field is
disrupted matter (becomes ideo-plastic) and is turned to primal mind responsive paste. Aether transform occurs.
Nuclear elements can go critical with awesome force, silicon becomes Nuclear Photonic Explosive. The
Helraiser Field creates whatever your mind projects to it. Search info on Montauk project destruction, it was
achieved running amplitrons in looped phase mode, as full 4d state was attained a T-rex monster was projected
from the ID to destroy the base. RV is the BASE for ACTUAL secret government T.A.S.M.I.N project (time
travel).
ADVICE: stay thermal & low power with these devices. Use as R&D tool, use as energy saver device 90%+ idle
energy savings minimal in intermittent use, like grinders, pumps, drills whatever needs to be constantly running
but with intermittent loading (conveyors, lawnmowers & others).
On the Stochastic thermal transform that has been the issue all this time, atoms gravity flow is a type of energy
transformation were the gravity flux is transformed to MAGNETIC electron spin force within the atom. Thermal
energy plays a big part here also. Its energy is transferred to electrical realm.
And as I have stated before, the art of tapping OU energy is the art of transformation. For dominating that art you
have to dominate the current art to its top perfection 98%EFF and UP. Once you have reached the limit, then the
art of extracting the energy from the ambient "DIPOLE" can be attained.
2.7 Electron Spin
The internal structure of an electron consists of 4 Vitrons shaped like 3D 4 faces pyramid. One of them can shift
to a photon, and the electron lowers orbit-releasing energy (pro-photon).
If we look at real matter, all of it consists of ?spherical standing waves?. In Einstein-Bose condensate experiment
when atoms are cooled to absolute 0, they appear like a condensed wave SOLITON (?flattened sphere?). This
creates WAVE pattern interference.
The Electron Spin frequency is 1.6 MHz. Thermal stochastic transfer works in this region quite well. The coil
cools and RF signal self sustains - 2 vitrons one pro-photon spinning within a spherical standing wave. Its
frequency is within the range of 1.5 to 1.8 MHz. It is perceived as background noise in multiple octaves, like
transformer random resonance recording, and LASER Ruby rod resonance.
Radiant Energy and OverUnity Page 13
Electrons are transformers; as they need energy to self sustain they acquire energy, as this energy is transferred
to spherical standing wave strings they create gravity, M field and E field. Alter any, you alter the nature of the
electron "even transform it ". Phi is the only ratio in which waves can "add" and "multiply", expanding or
compressing, non-destructively and infinitly... tranform of circle to straight line and back again... a spiral in 3d.
--giantkiller. Thanks.
One should not place a great deal of faith in that document. (Radiant Energy and OverUnity - Dan Combine)
I'm going to build the below circuit. Like GK says copper is fast so the secondary tap windings are going to need some iron to slow things down. Don't want to messup the primary tank inductance though. Each wave created by the primary inductor core saturation needs to be absorbed and not reflected.
@ Grumpy
I see the electron alot like this Dan Combine person. Who knows?
@sparks,
In regards to the primary_tank.gif you posted:
My BFG has 9 of these in it. The current set of the bifilar tests are the precursor to driving the BFG.
And why would I build such a complex piece before testing? Tesla has done all the homework. ;)
You can build and test in any order with his work. Using resonance as the primary tool over current of voltage. 8)
--giantkiller.
Tesla did it all long time ago. This gif circuit is for us beginner builders. ;) You can see clearly here that the advantage to this circuit is that your iron delay element (perhaps aluminum with it's paramagnetic signature) is not in the same field as your primary squeeze coil. Two waves (ed gray's splitting the positives?) in the copper are produced for every kick distributed around the solenoid. On "normal" induction transformers one winding is squeezing the iron into compliance while the other experiences both dielectric coupling and magnetic field response. The current draw of the secondary variably saturates the iron and direct inductive coupling of the primary and secondary insue depending on turn ratio's. Positively a mess. Same deal in an alternator. The current being drawn effecting the iron being used to transform the magnetically pulsed copper coils. These are leftovers of Edison's dynamo years. Sold a bunch of coal wood oil and methane gas though. Turned the planet into an infrared oven. Co2 is black duh! Time for a class action suit against the power brokers for destruction of the human habitat? Make them build infrared energy collectors and start precipitating CO2 and putting that shit back in the ground where it belongs. Sorry just dreaming.
LOL.
QuoteThe point is that RE can be created in LOW voltage Hi Q modes of resonance using off the shelve components
and hardware and that OU states can be obtained in standard generators, motors and transformers.
Review the resonance theory (remember the statements we seek what engineers try to avoid - resonance &
natural harmonics) and that we have to turn things ON by turning them OFF short to saturate open to release the
potential into a logarithmic resonant charge into a specific capacitor value. The RV demonstrated that since the
beginning using reverse induction. It surpasses MEG by order of 5 in hyperwave modes. This taken to PM
generators RV / EMA /Muller combination is the key to REA: world ZPE applications.
Charge & Farads determine Joules second, so there is no crap way of determining JOULES - HP transfer in
potential (that finishes off with the debunker crap ) and buries it into a pure DC - volt ampere potential where
power factor issues are also terminated.
Don't push thermal range we see as hot energy but push the potential at the rate of highest impedance Q, nuclear level but not endo/exo-thermic. 12 volts has always made the copper sing.
--giantkiller.
On my oscillator circuit I'm going to try an old rectifier tube. I see this as the energy collector so why not go a little bit bigger. A spark gap is like a kid blowing a bubble. If you blow on it just enough to have it stretch out you get your soap back plus some heat it collected while it was stretched out. If you blow too hard the bubble detaches and floats away into the aether. Of course Tesla wasn't working with soap, he was working with time itself. Stretching it out, letting the rest of the Universe go about it's business, then letting his bubble collapse under the pressure of the new time itself. The aether screaming back into the time void like water rushing into a cavitation zone created by ultra-sound waves. The inout shockwaves resonating this very day somewhere in Earth's wake. Is it any wonder that SM mentions the child being killed from an imploding vacuum tube?
I have spent the last 2 years in this fantastic arena pursuing this technology. The most work has been in trying to derive a common denominator. The Tesla patent 512340 http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00512340.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00512340.htm) is the basic model for:
The Tesla coil drive,
The Hubbard coil,
The Searl unit,
The Deyo coil,
The Coler coil,
The TPU.
In the 512340 patent the drive is applied from the outside and travels an ever decreasing perimeter while dragging a magnetic field behind it. This field eclipses its own trail behind it and the future path in front of it while traveling towards the center.
When the signal reaches the center then it is routed back outside and run inside again running within its own field again. Two phases of magnetic wiping against a conductor. Just like the devices previously mentioned. But the second time through there is previous energy to bolster the whole process.
The pancake acts as a diode, self coupling transformer, capacitor. The vectors definately get twisted around.
--giantkiller.
ERfinder and Grumpy spent some time 6months or so ago making sure I saw the significance of this device. This device basically stores the huge amount of disruption in mass a radio signal elicits. One 4watt cb radio signal can jiggle iron atoms 100's of miles away along with everything in between. You could spend 100's of years just looking at everything that signal touched in less than a millisecond. And Tesla figured out a way to pin it down in a bifilar coil!
All the devices I have studied here use the rarefication of a given field to channel radiant energy into the field or become "cold". This is followed by relaxation of the impressed space stress and a suitable raceway for the collected energy employed.
Quote from: sparks on August 29, 2008, 08:56:33 PM
ERfinder and Grumpy spent some time 6months or so ago making sure I saw the significance of this device. This device basically stores the huge amount of disruption in mass a radio signal elicits. One 4watt cb radio signal can jiggle iron atoms 100's of miles away along with everything in between. You could spend 100's of years just looking at everything that signal touched in less than a millisecond. And Tesla figured out a way to pin it down in a bifilar coil!
All the devices I have studied here use the rarefication of a given field to channel radiant energy into the field or become "cold". This is followed by relaxation of the impressed space stress and a suitable raceway for the collected energy employed.
Still have never seen anyone on this forum use one of those coils...
Quote from: sparks on August 28, 2008, 09:49:11 AM
I'm going to build the below circuit. Like GK says copper is fast so the secondary tap windings are going to need some iron to slow things down. Don't want to messup the primary tank inductance though. Each wave created by the primary inductor core saturation needs to be absorbed and not reflected.
@ Grumpy
I see the electron alot like this Dan Combine person. Who knows?
It is not important to know what an electron is - it is important to understand fields of force.
@all
How many farads would this device be capable of storing per ounce of copper? Looks like enough to heat up some filaments for quite a while.
So the field baraging an existing field. The TPU winds in the Hubbard coil thread is another way to achieve this. But the pancake only uses one pulse against itself. On a ring the TPU would achieve this also.
--giantkiller.
Resonating one coil of a bifilar coil while applying a DC field to the other affords the environment for RE.
The M field is the C and the coil L. This gives a virtual tank circuit and we can ring this for a return.
--giantkiller.
Typically we input a rf signal into a tank circuit where the vibrational energy is alternately expressed as an expansion at L and condensation at C. (aptly named the condensor). If L is an antennae then we broadcast the alternating expansion and collapse of the ambient electromagnetic field about L. This could be thought of as a compressed field inside the capacitor expanding at L and mother nature imploding the expanded field back into the capacitor.
Tesla in his pat 52140 shows us a different sceanario. Compression of the ambient electromagnetic field is contained within the compressing element itself.
Unlike the tank circuit where there is an electrical current oscillating back and forth between the compressive and expansive devices, the voltage differential applied to the terminals of the 52140 results in a one way compression of the emfield in which the mass of the compressive device lies. This condensation of the energy field is illicited by voltage only with no current involved or regard to ambient magnetic field pressure. This allows the compression to advance at rates independent of the electromagnetic wave density of the surrounding field or aether. This is not a typical electromagnetic wave radiation and proceeds with a reverse entropy whereby the resultant state of order is greater than at the beginning of the event. Time keeps on slipping back to the future. ::)
@giantkiller
QuoteIn the 512340 patent the drive is applied from the outside and travels an ever decreasing perimeter while dragging a magnetic field behind it. This field eclipses its own trail behind it and the future path in front of it while traveling towards the center.
When the signal reaches the center then it is routed back outside and run inside again running within its own field again. Two phases of magnetic wiping against a conductor. Just like the devices previously mentioned. But the second time through there is previous energy to bolster the whole process.
The pancake acts as a diode, self coupling transformer, capacitor. The vectors definately get twisted around.
I think it's important to understand how Tesla used this coil, Tesla would wind a heavy single turn primary around the "outside" of the coil in patent 512340. From what we know of the properties of induction this would seem to make little sense as we usually require a large number of turns on the primary and even more in the secondaries to insure efficient coupling between the two. So why a heavy single turn primary? and how could a single turn primary inductively couple to anything efficiently?
I found my answer when I built and tested many of these coils, a man named Karl Shappeller once stated--"we can only utilize what was already present and available for use", in this case we have copper coils and nothing more and this is all we can see----but there is more too this than meets the eye. If you build this coil you will understand there is only one quality of current which will produce results and that is a high potential discharge from a capacitor having a very small capacitance. This quality of current has the ability to "radiate" its energy because of the high potential and high rate of change or short wave period. As energy is radiated we could consider this radiation from the primary as a negative discharge, a negative discharge will expel both positive charge and a negative discharge. This radiation will act outward compressing positive charge(any current in the secondaries), it will act outward expelling and compressing radiation external to the primaries(EM, magnetism). An expansion must compress, a compression must expand, as grumpy has stated we are dealing with fields and these fields have the ability to apply force but what is the nature of these fields and what is the direction of force?.We should also consider the fact that in the primary the current may change direction, alternate, but the high potential will always compress thus irregardless of which direction the current moves in the primary energy will be radiated outward. I think it's also important to consider the fields already present external to the coils as well as the fields supposedly generated, we can only utilize what was already present and available for use, but what is present in the space surrounding the conductors? and how could we utilize whatever may be present to our advantage?
Keely's water hammer is the same model as the ringing a coil in resonance.
Matter flows for a very short period of time. The collision of the 2 parties that stops the flow allows not the matter, but the force to be transfered. Then we grab the force in a secondary unit.
Secondly, if a line of flux can move an electron then the electron can be moved in a path. I say this in respect to the Hubbard & Coler, circular transformers. But operated with resonance we incur kinetic behavior and that can transfer energy.
--giantkiller.
Here ya go!
In the self resonant coil setup I did I stuck in a facsimile of an Avrameko plug and extracted the RF bursts.
It seems that The CEMF could create a pressure similar to a gyroscopic force. Being that these 2 could have an effect in space near the coil of operation. Sounds like a stretch, but in Joseph Newman and Bearden explanations I hear gyroscopic spin and gyroscopes terms being mentioned. Newman keeps repeating it and Bearden uses it to invent other terms. I don't hear this anywhere else.
Newman also mentions the magnetic flux loop in the same fashion as Ed Leedskalnin.
Now, Imhotep uses a spark gap. This creates a huge, fast kinetic change in the surrounding environment also.
And guess what? They have devices that run.
So I see 3 ways to create the surrounding field, pressure, or change and that is Gyroscopy, Spark gap, CEMF. There has been no other additional creation of any new effect in any of the working devices we have seen.
The NT-512340 pancake exhibits Gyroscopy and CEMF in the same unit. These are very fast in this device so 'WE' don't feel it.
Now when I look at a device it has to have these three facets. Also the 90 degree winding is a micro spark gap. The twisting of the vectors still happens whether incorrect to align to a usable power or not. The electrons or kinetic energy gets shipped from the copper to the Flux field? And then gets retrieved at some other point in time or mass.
--giantkiller. 8)
@GK,
I spent all afternoon reading the link you posted earlier
http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm
This guy did an amazing job.
Spider.
Every small step leaves behind a chasm of ignorant and places us on a mountain top of insights, eh?
--giantkiller.
Gk,
You lost me there...LOL
Explain it to me like I am a dutch guy. ;)
Spider
One small piece of knowledge can dispell centuries of ignorance. Once that new fact is accepted by the masses then everybody is free to use it at their will creating a magnified effect of the enormous usage.
All the greats have done this to society.
I went back and read that website.
I received a treat again:
Without energy, the electron standing waves would emit spherical outgoing waves, and it would rapidly fade out. Obviously, they need replenishment. This is accomplished by powerful and constant aether waves. Traveling waves penetrating through standing wave antinodes are deviated because of a lens effect. A small part of the energy is transferred to the standing waves. This constantly refilled energy allows the electron to exist forever.
In heterodyned waves the energy equals the square of the amplitude. Two sets of waves will add their amplitude, and this means that while the phases are adding constructively, the energy is four times higher there.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Spider on September 12, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
@GK,
I spent all afternoon reading the link you posted earlier
http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm
This guy did an amazing job.
Spider.
And then in there is a link to keelynet about the spider pattern and antigravity. And that led to
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2814.msg41348.html#msg41348 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2814.msg41348.html#msg41348).
--giantkiller. ;)
This is the original GK4 controller.
I now attach this to the current horizontal coil of 16 coils / 8 tanks and I can drive the 2 coil sets in either direction any speed.
The output driver is now a fet with no resistors.
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And the men who hold high places are not the ones who start to mould a new reality 'Closer to the heart'.
Blacksmith and the artist reflected in their art they forge their creativity 'Closer to the heart'.
Philosphers and plowmen each must know his part to sow a new mentality 'Closer the heart'.
You can be the captain I will draw the chart Sailing into destiny 'Closer to the heart'.
--giantkiller.
It always takes 2.
--giantkiller.
;D Just read your locked post on copper emfields nice work. Another view of the atom is a planet with a nebulus mass field surrounding it. The density information communicated to the neucleus in the form of an electric field and gravitational currents and spin inertia. The electro negative or less dense cloud one charge the dense neucleus the other. Now we can have atomic weather. ;)
This comment from http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5417.msg122224.html#msg122224 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5417.msg122224.html#msg122224)
QuoteOutput is a direct function of Copper mass in rotation along the tempic field. Since the tempic field effects density and gravity as well, this spherical device will emulate a single copper atom along the torsion field, and a single coherent magnet along the Electron shell when Electrons are flowing.
And I piece that with
QuoteProton: [Source of Gravity [inflow of Aether] and Positive Electric Potiental]
Gravaton pair:
Gravaton spiral entry to our density CW [contracting force] ( as viewed from here)
AntiGravaton entry to our density CW [expanding force]
The two particles spin around one another as they emerge and regress across our density threshold.
When this particle moves in a tight atomic radius curved path it produces strong forces of gravity due to its helix being sharply curved. Allowing Gravatons to spend more time in our density.
While setting still or moving straight it would be expected to have a positive electrical charge. Its inverse distance from [source] is positive voltage and should be expected to operate all the way across the [DS factor] found in our density.
Electron: [Source of Antigravity [outflow of Aether] and Negative Electric Potiential]
Gravaton pair:
AntiGravaton entry to our density CCW [expanding force] (as viewed from here)
Gravaton spiral entry to our density CCW [contracting force]
When this particle moves in a tight curved orbit at atomic radius it produces strong forces of AntiGravity due to its helix being tightly curved. Allowing AntiGravatons to spend more time within our density. While setting still or moving relativly straight it is the "electric" electron we are familiar with having voltage potiental as its distance from center, which will operate all the way across the [DS factor] found in our density. Electrons orbiting an atom are aproaching lightspeeds .999 999 999 95 * c. This is very near [source] from our point of view, thus they may have incredible power to tap ZPE if their motions are correctly minuplulated. The AntiGravity filed they radiate is very powerful with atomic sized curves yet weaker overall then the protons.
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and connect in these items:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4297.msg126789.html#msg126789
--giantkiller. The high speed spinning magnetic field.
The matching up of foulness is quickening.
The woman rides the beast. Revelation, chapter 17
The Greek Euro.
--giantkiller. Belief is a choice. Ignorance is finality.
I like the two pancakes with a rotator in between. If that doesn't spin up a magnetic field nothing will. I think the core of this machine will develop alot of voltage relative to ground. I would caution that you make damn sure there is no way this configuration gets pulsed on frequency or any resultant harmonic.
I believe Cliff Hazelton got something like this going and totally vaporized a copper conductor between the torroid and ground. He purportedly never could ever find where the shunt to ground went. Spherics and SM also cautioned on frequency pulsing.
Rat race ckt up and running. Signals make it to fet driver. Next step is connecting in fets and coils. Lack of time and I want it perfect. Right?
@Sparks,
That is what I am aiming for. After all, the pancakes would be inductively coupled capacitors. We have definately heard this before.
--giantkiller. Whoa there, Trigger. It will spin fast enough!
p.s. I have not lost sight of my goal.
10/01/08 - The Strange Inventions of Pier L. Ighina
The world of Pier Luigi Ighina is of a science never before propagated, in which reality and mysticism seem to join in a way that is both charming and unnerving. As a student of magnetic fields, Ighina developed a great number of inventions throughout his life based on atomic vibrations. He also worked with the interaction of fields between the earth and sun, harnessing this energy to regenerate diseased cells. Ighina’s numerous inventions include a bed of passive resonance, an earthquake neutralizer, and a strange device he dubbed “Elios,†which is said to purify any food matter that comes within its small field of action. But perhaps none of these strange inventions brought as much pleasure to Ighina as the magnetic stroboscope. He was delighted in its capacity to surprise and amaze curious onlookers on cloudy days. In 1998, internationally renowned journalist Maurizio Costanzo went to interview Ighina and witnessed a strange propeller spinning above his humble dwelling in Imola, Italy. Costanzo describes how a hole in the clouds steadily opened and grew as the minutes passed. Later, Ighina admitted that the most satisfying component of his unusual invention was the innocent smiles of children as they watched the clouds retire, as if by magic. The magnetic stroboscopeâ€"which can be compared to Wilhelm Reich’s Cloudbusterâ€"could certainly deliver a magnificent performance. And yet the landmark of Ighina’s work would have to be his discovery of something never before considered by scienceâ€"a small, elusive, yet fundamental particle he named “the atomic magnet.†Ighina devised a mechanism that isolated each atom, consisting of walls of different atoms with decreasing rates of light absorption. It was during these investigations (for which he employed a microscope of his own design capable of magnification of up to 1.6 billion times) that Ighina discovered the magnetic atomâ€"an extremely energetic particle present in all organic matter. After years of arduous lab work, Ighina discovered the most profound nature of matterâ€"that atoms do not oscillate but vibrate. This revelation led to one of his more curious and brilliant inventionsâ€"the magnetic field oscillator. The scientist discovered that if he managed to change the vibratory state of a group of particles, the material itself could transform. What followed was a series of fantastic experiments in which the field oscillator played a leading role. On one occasion, Ighina set up his apparatus before an apricot tree. He then altered the atomic vibration so that it gradually became the same as that of an apple tree. (He had previously studied the indices of this vibration.) After 16 days, he ascertained that the apricots had mutated, almost completely, into apples. Through studying the corresponding vibration of the healthy bone of a rabbit, he excited the atoms of another rabbit’s fractured feet until they were healed in record time. In this way, Ighina understood that sick cells (including cancerous ones) of any individual were possible to cure through a simple, gradual alternation in their vibrational index, if this was correctly calculated. - http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/science-technology/ighina-marconi-reich-cloudbuster-maurizio-costanzo-magnetic-field-oscillator-4905.html (http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/science-technology/ighina-marconi-reich-cloudbuster-maurizio-costanzo-magnetic-field-oscillator-4905.html)
From http://www.keelynet.com/ (http://www.keelynet.com/)
10/01/08 - The Strange Inventions of Pier L. Ighina
The world of Pier Luigi Ighina is of a science never before propagated, in which reality and mysticism seem to join in a way that is both charming and unnerving. As a student of magnetic fields, Ighina developed a great number of inventions throughout his life based on atomic vibrations. He also worked with the interaction of fields between the earth and sun, harnessing this energy to regenerate diseased cells. Ighina’s numerous inventions include a bed of passive resonance, an earthquake neutralizer, and a strange device he dubbed “Elios,†which is said to purify any food matter that comes within its small field of action. But perhaps none of these strange inventions brought as much pleasure to Ighina as the magnetic stroboscope. He was delighted in its capacity to surprise and amaze curious onlookers on cloudy days. In 1998, internationally renowned journalist Maurizio Costanzo went to interview Ighina and witnessed a strange propeller spinning above his humble dwelling in Imola, Italy. Costanzo describes how a hole in the clouds steadily opened and grew as the minutes passed. Later, Ighina admitted that the most satisfying component of his unusual invention was the innocent smiles of children as they watched the clouds retire, as if by magic. The magnetic stroboscopeâ€"which can be compared to Wilhelm Reich’s Cloudbusterâ€"could certainly deliver a magnificent performance. And yet the landmark of Ighina’s work would have to be his discovery of something never before considered by scienceâ€"a small, elusive, yet fundamental particle he named “the atomic magnet.†Ighina devised a mechanism that isolated each atom, consisting of walls of different atoms with decreasing rates of light absorption. It was during these investigations (for which he employed a microscope of his own design capable of magnification of up to 1.6 billion times) that Ighina discovered the magnetic atomâ€"an extremely energetic particle present in all organic matter. After years of arduous lab work, Ighina discovered the most profound nature of matterâ€"that atoms do not oscillate but vibrate. This revelation led to one of his more curious and brilliant inventionsâ€"the magnetic field oscillator. The scientist discovered that if he managed to change the vibratory state of a group of particles, the material itself could transform. What followed was a series of fantastic experiments in which the field oscillator played a leading role. On one occasion, Ighina set up his apparatus before an apricot tree. He then altered the atomic vibration so that it gradually became the same as that of an apple tree. (He had previously studied the indices of this vibration.) After 16 days, he ascertained that the apricots had mutated, almost completely, into apples. Through studying the corresponding vibration of the healthy bone of a rabbit, he excited the atoms of another rabbit’s fractured feet until they were healed in record time. In this way, Ighina understood that sick cells (including cancerous ones) of any individual were possible to cure through a simple, gradual alternation in their vibrational index, if this was correctly calculated. - http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/science-technology/ighina-marconi-reich-cloudbuster-maurizio-costanzo-magnetic-field-oscillator-4905.html (http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/science-technology/ighina-marconi-reich-cloudbuster-maurizio-costanzo-magnetic-field-oscillator-4905.html)
Hey, Giant...
I knew personally Pier Luigi Ighina.... 8)
Sincerly,I can say that all the geniuses of the past are ridicolous compared to Ighina.Pratically he solved all the unsolved....
Its a pity that all the people that have the pieces of his puzzle refuses to talk.... :-X
Quote from: Pegasus on October 25, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Hey, Giant...
I knew personally Pier Luigi Ighina.... 8)
Sincerly,I can say that all the geniuses of the past are ridicolous compared to Ighina.Pratically he solved all the unsolved....
Its a pity that all the people that have the pieces of his puzzle refuses to talk.... :-X
Pegasus,
that is awesome, how often did you talk to Ighina? What did you talk about? Who are these other people who have pieces of the puzzle (what puzzle) ?
Hi!
I have been browsing this thread and it is a good place to learn.
Jesus
Quote from: amigo on October 25, 2008, 06:41:54 PM
Pegasus,
that is awesome, how often did you talk to Ighina? What did you talk about? Who are these other people who have pieces of the puzzle (what puzzle) ?
Montly,from the end of 90' until his death. We talked about his inventions and discoveries. The puzzle is his knowledge.Few have the pieces.
And they dont like to talk about the Ighina work.It is too dangerous for the actual civilization,and I agree.
The bench is cleared. The Keely controller, the ad826 amplifiers layed out, ready for connection to the bucket -o- vibes. This will be my auralscope along with the EGA monitor as a visual. The coil hookups will be the notched PVC and the BFG. I repeat, I repeat! I will not be attaching my Bose Audio radiator to this set setup this time. I want to buy 2 more and and run this whole setup in an open parking lot. I think I can leviate small children. :o But there are other ways to achieve this. Like starting with small dogs or inanimate objects. Could probably level a subdivision.
As I built all the sub steps last time, I got faster and faster and less production style configuration. I threw it together faster and faster. I will apply a more stringient quality control. The ad826s are on protoboards. Not good enough for me. I melted a clip lead.
--giantkiller.
Don't forget the circuit breakers. 8) Lets not forget the 600million volt shadowing of the moon and planets between us and the Sun. Pretty influential scource of aether charge round here. Hutchinson would have to wait around 6hours sometimes for his effect to work. Tides run in 6hour shifts. hmmm electric universe for sure. Why would we get 6hour tides when the moon's gravity only creates a 12hour frequency. Cause the electric vortex field goes both ways.
Very much so.
I also am going to strike the chord using solfeggio range notes. 2 layers of coils. 2 solfeggio chords, Phi ratio distance apart. Right out of the Rosslyn chapel symbols.
I believe this device/effect is the Holy Grail. http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/holy_grail.htm
Look at the Vessel stem and compare it to the symbol that E. Leedskalnin showed. 8)
This is why anybody looking for can't see it. Let alone find it. Cup of a carpenter, a builder.
--giantkiller.
The handles spiral something like the course a drift electron traveling between different flux fields.
Hello fellow reasearchers ;D been a while sesnce I've posted . Have been catching up on the new developments and looks interesting. One thing I tryed is building a DC rotating magnetic field and haveing a larger ring to the outside of the coils and pulseing that with AC. Mike - still working
Rather than put TPU plans on the internet I have a better idea. Let's give dynamite to Algerians.
@all
I did not want to say anything yet, but I am having a tremendous success!!!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg158838#msg158838
Jesus
If a series of explosions at regular intervals were to take place, there would be a regular series of expanding shells; and if the intervals were sufficiently small, the alternate changes of pressure, due to the successive collisions of the air particles against the tympanic membrane of an ear in the neighborhood of the explosions would convey to the brain a sensation of a continuous note. Exactly the same thing occurs if, for a series of explosions, are substituted the vibrations of an elastic body; and it is, in general, by the latter means that all sounds, and especially musical ones, are produced. The motion of a sound wave must not be confounded with the motion of the particles which transmit the wave. In the passage of a single wave each particle over which it passes makes only a small excursion to and fro, the semi-length of which is called the amplitude of the vibration, the time occupied during one vibration being called its period.
This reference matches the canon ball analogy. Instead of air use another field. Tubes sound good.
http://100777.com/print/278
Check this out and compare it to SM. ;)
http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/cosunityTOC.html
The following forty laws governing natural harmony, sound and vibration are explored by Dale Pond in detail in his book:
Universal Laws Never Before Revealed: Keely's Secrets. Some of these laws are again explored in It's a Musical Universe!
(1) Law of Matter and Force
"Coextensive and coeternal with space and duration, there exists an infinite and unchangeable quantity of atomoles, the base of all matter; these are in a state of constant vibratory motion, infinite in extent, unchangeable in quantity, the initial of all forms of energy." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(2) Law of Corporeal Vibrations
"All coherent aggregates when isolated from like bodies, or when immersed or confined in media composed of matter in a different state, vibrate at a given ascertainable pitch." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(3) Law of Corporeal Oscillations
"All coherent aggregates not isolated from like bodies, oscillate at a period-frequency varying with the tensions that augment and diminish the state of equilibrium." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(4) Law of Harmonic Vibrations
"All coherent aggregates are perpetually vibrating at a period-frequency corresponding to some harmonic ratio of the fundamental pitch of the vibrating body; this pitch is a multiple of the pitch of the atomole." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(5) Law of Transmissive Vibraic Energy
"All oscillating and vibrating coherent aggregates create, in the media in which they are immersed, outwardly propagated concentric waves of alternate condensation and rarefaction, having a period-frequency identical with the pitch of the aggregate.
Scholium: All forms of transmissive energy can be focussed, reflected, refracted, diffracted, transformed, and diminished in intensity inversely as the square of the distance from the originating source." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(6) Law of Sympathetic Oscillation
"Coherent aggregates immersed in a medium pulsating at their natural pitch simultaneously oscillate with the same frequency, whether the pitch of the medium be a unison, or any harmonic of the fundamental pitch of the creative aggregate." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(7) Law of Attraction
"Juxtaposed coherent aggregates vibrating in unison, or harmonic ration, are mutually attracted."
(8) Law of Repulsion
"Juxtaposed coherent aggregates vibrating in discord are mutually repelled."
(9) Law of Cycles
"Coherent aggregates harmonically united constitute centers of vibration bearing relation to the fundamental pitch not multiples of the harmonic pitch, and the production of secondary unions between themselves generate pitches that are discords, either in their unisons, or overtones with the original pitch; from harmony is generated discord, the inevitable cause of perpetual transformation." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(10) Law of Harmonic Pitch
"Any aggregate in a state of vibration develops in addition to its fundamental pitch a series of vibration in symmetrical sub-multiple portions of itself, bearing ratios of one, two, three, or more times its fundamental pitch."
(11) Law of Force
"Energy manifests itself in three forms: Creative, the vibrating aggregate; Transmissive, being the propagation of isochronous waves through the media in which it is immersed; Attractive, being its action upon other aggregates capable of vibrating in unisons or harmony." (see FAQ for discussion of this law)
(12) Law of Oscillating Atomic Substances
"Coherent atomic substances are capable of oscillating at a pitch varying directly as the density, and inversely as the linear dimensions from one period of frequency per unit of time to the 21st octave above, producing the creative force of Sonity, whose transmissive force (Sound) is propagated through the media of solids, liquids, and gases, and whose static effect (Sonism) produces attractions and repulsions between sympathetically vibrating bodies according to the Law of Harmonic Attraction and Repulsion."
(13) Law of Sono-thermity
"Internal vibrations of atomic substances and atomic molecules are capable of vibrating at a period-frequency directly as their density, inversely as their linear dimensions, directly as the coefficient of their tension from the 21st to the 42nd octaves, producing the creative force (Sono-thermity), whose transmissive force (Sono-therm) is propagated in solid, liquid, gaseous, and ultra-gaseous media, statically producing adhesions and molecular unions, or disintegration, according to the Law of Harmonic Attraction and Repulsion."
(14) Law of Oscillating Atoms
"All atoms when in a state of tension are capable of oscillating at a pitch inversely as the cube of their atomic weights, and directly as their tension from 42 to 63 octaves per second, producing the creative forcce (Thermism), whose transmissive force (Rad-energy) propagated in solid, liquid, and gaseous ether, produces the static effects (Cohesion and Chemism) on other atoms of association, or dissociation, according to the Law of Harmonic Attraction and Repulsion.
Scholium: Dark radiant heat begins at absolute zero temperature, and extends through light, chemical rays, actinic rays, and infra-violet rays, up to the dissociation of all molecules to the 63rd octave."
(15) Law of Vibrating Atomolic Substances
"Atoms are capable of vibrating within themselves at a pitch inversely as the Dyne (the local coefficient of Gravity), and as the atomic volume, directly as the atomic weight, producing the creative force (Electricity), whose transmissive force is propagated through atomolic solids, liquids, and gases, producing induction and the static effect of magnetism upon other atoms of attraction or repulsion, according to the Law of Harmonic Attraction and Repulsion.
Scholium: The phenomenon of Dynamic Electricity through a metallic conductor and of induction are identical. In a metallic conductor, the transmission is from atom to atom, through homologous interstices, filled with ether, presenting small areas in close proximity. In crystalline structures, heat, which expands the atoms, by twisting them produces striae, increases the resistance, etc. Between parallel wires and through air the induction takes place from large areas through a rarefied medium composed of a mixture of substances, whose atoms are separated by waves of repulsion of various pitches, discordant to electric vibrations; the said atoms sympathetically absorb the vibrations and dissipate from themselves, as centers, concentric waves of electric energy which produces heat and gravism."
(16) Law of Oscillating Atomoles
"Atomoles oscillating at a uniform pitch (determined by their uniform size and weight) produce the creative force Atomolity, whose transmissive form, Gravism, is propagated through more rarefied media, producing the static effect upon all other atomoles, denominated Gravity."
(17) Law of Transformation of Forces
"All forces are different forms of Universal Energy unlike in their period- frequency, merging into each other by imperceptible increments; each form representing the compass of 21 octaves. Each form or pitch may be transformed into an equivalent quantity of another pitch above or below it in the scale of 105 octaves. The transformation can occur only through its static effect, developing vibrations of harmonic pitches above or below their fundamental vibration, or developing with juxtaposed aggregates, resultant and difference, or third order, as the case may be.
Scholium: A table of the intervals and harmonics of the normal harmonic scale will indicate the ratios in which the transformation of forces will occur."
(18) Law of Atomic Pitch
"Atoms have each a different and definite pitch, at which they naturally vibrate.
Scholium: Atomic pitch is determined directly
from its simple spectrum.
Scholium: Atomic pitch is determined by computations from its associate spectrum with all other atoms, as in known spectra.
Scholium: Atomic pitches are more important working data than atomic weights; tables of atomic pitches must be precise."
(19) Law of Variation of Atomic Pitch by Rad-energy
"The higher harmonics and overtones of projected rad-energy are of a pitch sufficiently high to cause the atom to expand; by causing the atomoles to vibrate systematically the same influence will cause the atom to contract, and thus by changing the volume, atomic pitch is varied."
(20) Law of Variation of Atomic Pitch by Electricity and Magnetism
"Electricity and Magnetism produce internal vibrations in the atom, which are followed by proportional changes in volume and, therefore, pitch."
(21) Law of Variation of Atomic Pitch by Temperature
"Atoms in chemical combination oscillate with increasing amplitude directly as the temperature, and simultaneously absorb overtones of higher harmonics, producing expansion of volume and diminution of pitch.
Rule: The gradual approach of the temperature of harmonic combination can be observed by mutually comparing superimposed spectra; chemical combination commences when the fundamental lines of each spectrum bear harmonic ratios by linear measurement."
(22) Law of Pitch of Atomic Oscillation
"Atoms not isolated and in a state of tension between forces that oppose and increase the equilibrium oscillate bodily at a pitch that is a resultant of the atomic weight, atomic volume, and tension."
(23) Law of Variation of Pitch of Atomic Oscillation by Pressure
"The frequency of atomic oscillation increases and diminishes inversely as the square of the pressure."
(24) Law of Variation of Atomic Oscillation by Temperature
"The force of cohesion diminishes inversely as the square of the distance the atoms are apart, and the force of the chemical affinity diminishes in the same ratio. Heat increases the amplitude of the oscillations in a direct ratio to the temperature of the natural scale.
Scholium: New thermometers and accurate thermometric tables, on the natural base, wherein doubling the temperature doubles the pitch of the transmissive energy, are required. Such a table of temperature will bear natural relations to atomic weights, pitches, specific heats, chemical affinities, fusions, solubilities, etc., and will disclose new laws. One table for each must be constructed."
(25) Law of Variation of Atomic Oscillation by Electricity
"The electric current destroys cohesion and chemical tension directly as square of current in amperes, inversely as the resistance in ohms, inversely as the chemical equivalent, and conversely as the coefficient of the difference between the freezing and volatilizing temperature of mass acted upon."
(26) Law of Variation of Atomic Oscillation by Sono-thermism
"Diminishes the tensions directly as the quantity of heat developed, and in antithetical proportion to the harmonics absolved."
(27) Law of Chemical Affinity
"Atoms whose atomic pitches are in either unison, harmonic or concordant ratios, unite to form molecules.
Corollary: When two atoms are indifferent, they may be made to unite by varying the pitch of either, or both.
Scholium: This necessitates the construction of tables, representing variation of atomic pitches by temperature, pressure, etc.
Scholium: Tables of all harmonics and concords, and harmonics founded upon a normal harmonic scale, are equally essential.
Scholium: Optical instruments may be made to measure pitches of energy."
(28) Law of Chemical Dissociation
"If the pitch of either atom, in a molecule, be raised or lowered; or, if they both be unequally raised or lowered in pitch until the mutual ratio be that of a discord; or, if the oscillation amplitude be augmented by heat until the atoms are with the concentric waves of attraction, - the atoms will separate."
(29) Law of Chemical Transposition
"New molecules must be harmonics of the fundamental pitch."
(30) Law of Chemical Substitution
"(too complex for brief statement)"
(31) Law of Catalysis
"The presence of harmonics and discords."
(32) Law of Molecular Synthesis and Combination (Organic)
"The molecular pitch must be a derived harmony of the radicals.
Scholium: Reconstruction of electric units to represent pitches and amplitudes."
(33) Law of Chemical Morphology
"The angle of crystallization is determined by the relation between the molecular pitch of the crystallizing substance to the variation- density of the liquid depositing it."
(34) Law of Atomic Dissociation
"Overtones of high rad-energy pitches produce separation of the atomoles and recombinations among the atomolic molecules of the atoms."
(35) Law of Atomolic Synthesis of Chemical Elements
"Harmonic pitches of atomolity produce association of etheric-atomolic particles to form atoms; the kind of atom is determinable by the pitches employed."
(36) Law of Heat
"Atoms under the tension of chemical combination oscillate with an amplitude directly as the temperature, inversely as the pressure, and as the square of the specific heat. Diminishing the pitch of oscillation inversely as the square of the distance of the atoms apart, and simultaneously increasing the vibrating pitch of the atom by absorption of overtones and higher harmonics."
(37) Law of Electro-Chemical Equivalents
"An atom vibrates sympathetically under the influence of electric energy, such undertones of which are absorbed as are a harmonic or harmony of the electric pitch; the amount of energy absorbed being directly as the arithmetical ratio of the undertone of the fundamental electric pitch.
Scholium: A table of electro-chemical equivalents on the normal basis will indicate the electrical conditions and amount of chemical change."
(38) Law of Cohesion
"The cohesion between atoms diminishes directly as the square root of the pressure and temperature, and as the square of electric intensity."
(39) Law of Refractive Indices
"A table of the refractive indices of substances indicates their molecular pitch; and in connection with crystalline form the phase of molecular oscillation."
(40) Law of Electric Conductivity
"Electric energy is transmitted through homogeneous bodies with a completeness in direct proportion as the atoms are more or less perfect harmonics of the electric pitch, but not at all through substances whose atoms are discordant to the electric pitch; also through molecular substances, when their resultant notes are harmonics of the electric pitch, - the transmissions being inversely as the temperature, directly as the density diminished in proportion to the amount of crystallization, and inversely as the cube of the dyne, also directly as the reciprocal of the local magnetic intensity."
--giantkiller.
September 21,22 2009 is the Fall Equinox and the serpent will appear on the observatory steps at Chizchen Itza in Mexico. I am downsizing my Keely controller/Heterodyner into a backpack module to take there. Batteries and all. I plan to use sound and chords to interface with the ball court, the largest tuning fork on the planet. I am also going to play the 5 notes from the movie '3rd encounters of the close kind'.
Friggin' cool!, EH? The sound machine is coming down(1960's age lyric).
I am in the process of alleviating the cross talk between output channels. Then the battery sizing. Then speaker mounting in cahoots with the package size. Then in a case. 007. I will post project pictures.
The trip plans are solid. Only the federales will stop me at the gate. One is not allowed to take motorized video cameras in. The sound can echo back very high pitched and cause pacemakers to fail. There's Keely again.
--giantkiller. Everything is a frequency. Stay tuned, amigos. Andale, andale.
GK
How cool is that, your like a real life INDIANA JONES
You are always making the goose bumps
GREAT STUFF
Andalae
Chet
Quote from: ramset on March 09, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
GK
How cool is that, your like a real life INDIANA JONES
You are always making the goose bumps
GREAT STUFF
Andalae
Chet
I just like hanging out in the space between the spaces.
It is the simpler things in life that make this planet fun. The rest of society is poopin' in the nest.
If I am allowed to take this in the park I will make youtube video. Imagine the hit rate!
--giantkiller.
GK
That would be OFF THE WALL!!
I wish we could can[bottle] your enthusiasm and attitude ,the world needs more of that
Chet
Before, after, hooked up.
I still have steps to go amidst other duties as assigned.
AD826 amplifer circuit from the second schematic on http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html?20076?200719
-giantkiller.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 26, 2007, 06:42:04 AM
LOL, Don't need to, he is quoting me
http://www.keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
Helo Mr von Lieven,
Thanks for the info on Keely - excellent presentation and very instructive.
Just to let you know, I also know of the work in the area of sonic motors of Geoge Constantinesco - he published at the beginning of the century (1913?) a theory on sonicity and has 133 British patents.
Unfortunately I couldn't yet find a way to access the British patents database. Any idea how to find his patent for a sonic motor?
Thanks,
Florian
Quote from: Florian on March 21, 2009, 06:36:14 PM
Helo Mr von Lieven,
Thanks for the info on Keely - excellent presentation and very instructive.
Just to let you know, I also know of the work in the area of sonic motors of George Constantinesco - he published at the beginning of the century (1913?) a theory on sonicity and has 133 British patents.
Unfortunately I couldn't yet find a way to access the British patents database. Any idea how to find his patent for a sonic motor?
Thanks,
Florian
Hi,
I did some patent search and found that George Constantinesco used the first name Gogu (and rarely Gocu) instead of George earlier than 1921-1923...
So if you write Constantinesco into the patent search by name window for instance at the European Patent Office link here: http://ep.espacenet.com/quickSearch?locale=en_EP you will get his patents issued earlier than the year 1923.
He often had his employer, Walter Haddon as co-inventor in the 1912-1922 era.
So his earliest patent was probably GB191222259, Improvements in and relating to liquid fuel vaporisers for internal combustion engines and other purposes.
His last patent seems to be GB1006912 Hydraulic Power Transmission Apparatus in which he mentioned his book: Theory of Sonics, Vol.1 published in 1918 by The Admiralty. This could be a good read on the principle you are interested in. See also his GB191517857 patent (and also his amended GB191517856) and GB110003 and GB110005. ;)
rgds, Gyula
Wrap a coil, any coil!, shoot it with a stungun in series with a cap, any cap!,
You have a filter which will only self-resonate with the harmonic that matches the Q of the coil and the resonance of the tank, the Q and the LC resonance parameters should match. The broadband transmission will supply the harmonic of the Q.
Hubbard has eight sparkgaps! In sequence and High speed! Rotating by firing circumferencially around a center receptor coil. The gap between his outer and center coils parallels with the offest of the saturable coils in the SM17 center.
The SM17 has harmonics hitting precessionally around the outer ring. The center toriod windings act like Hubbards center coil for feedback purposes.
The split rings of the Lakhovsky device act as multiple tuning forks of different notes. He produces chords and Keely's trichords.
The Leedskalnin bottles in the coils act the same as Keely's tanks. The two bottle trays on the generator act as note generating whistles, but very, very high. There are two like on the door. He blows the bottle whistle on the axial based triangle rock in the same manner as John Hutchison moves the transducer around the target objects between the 2 tesla coils (broadband transmitters).
My Youtube of the Leedskalnin generator is incorrect. The generator is spun counterclockwise. Ed show this with his right hand. He has never lied. The magnetic blades also furnished an air supply across the bottles. 8)
Have an nice day gentlemen...
--giantkiller. I am on the precipice of graduation.
GK
Gonna get a stun gun and experiment [safely]
You shouldn't have ""all"" the fun
Thanks
Chet
@ GK: Do you think your stun gun-cap-coil idea would work with a flash circuit from a camera in series with a cap, then a coil?
Bob
Quote from: Bob Smith on April 03, 2009, 09:55:41 PM
@ GK: Do you think your stun gun-cap-coil idea would work with a flash circuit from a camera in series with a cap, then a coil?
Bob
Charge pump...
Dont force them, let them resonate at the natural level. If you have the right values
your Q will be your gain factor. That from a 1959 airforce training manual.
thay
Hello Gk
I''ve been reading your posts and I think you are going to be successful in this endever.
Here's what and where I am at the pressent time.
TPU data
This is the first day that I have recorded anything about my version of Steven Mark’s Toroidal Power Unit.
I have a collector coil consisting of 21 turns of # 12 solid house wiring wire. It has an inside diameter of 4.25 inches. Over this are wound three coils of the same type of wire, each covering 120 degrees, and each the same length of wire.
I’m powering this with an old 12v battery that has been used for a couple of years on other experiments concerning resonant transformers.
I’m getting my control signals from an NRI robotics course experimenters set which has a function generator built in . However I’m going to have to build three oscillators to resonate with as my TPU resonates at about 1.2 megahertz, and the function generator only reaches 120 kilohertz.
I’ve got one on the set made from a hex inverter that covers 1.33 to 2.5 Mhz, as indicated using a Velleman digital scope
I'll post more later, and would consideer any response as helpful.
hmmmm and one again bad road to GO
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: hughl651 on April 05, 2009, 11:03:44 AM
Hello Gk
I''ve been reading your posts and I think you are going to be successful in this endever.
Here's what and where I am at the pressent time.
TPU data
This is the first day that I have recorded anything about my version of Steven Mark’s Toroidal Power Unit.
I have a collector coil consisting of 21 turns of # 12 solid house wiring wire. It has an inside diameter of 4.25 inches. Over this are wound three coils of the same type of wire, each covering 120 degrees, and each the same length of wire.
I’m powering this with an old 12v battery that has been used for a couple of years on other experiments concerning resonant transformers.
I’m getting my control signals from an NRI robotics course experimenters set which has a function generator built in . However I’m going to have to build three oscillators to resonate with as my TPU resonates at about 1.2 megahertz, and the function generator only reaches 120 kilohertz.
I’ve got one on the set made from a hex inverter that covers 1.33 to 2.5 Mhz, as indicated using a Velleman digital scope
I'll post more later, and would consideer any response as helpful.
The #12awg does not afford sufficient surface area as stranded. Try the controls without a cap as in no tank. The collapse has to be final on shut off. Or you have to match everything up resonantly. I have done this both ways ways. But you need to see for yourself.
Batteries are good.
--giantkiller.
Hello Again
I'm new to all thos blogging so please bear with me O.K.
I think I'm attaching a picture of my partial schematic to see if I can doit.
O.K. so that was my oscillator.
here is the partial schematic.
By the way does anyone have a tube type schematic I could borrow?
Thanks
@ hugh,
Fire it up...
You have the basic setup. Can't deter too much from this. My iron collectors have latency so when the copper field collapses the field is still in the iron. See? Use a double run in your collector lamp wire. Put a field in that. The Hubbard has this also. A primary field then a secondary field then a pulse in the secondaries of sorts.
The irf840 has 8a at 500v. Just incase. The diodes are already inside on both devices. Intersil has good datasheets.
--giantkiller.
04/14/09
Well I tried the TTL oscillator, and couldn’t get it to stabilize, so I wound about 18 turns per coil of #30 telephone wire to use as feedback. Then I got each transistor to resonate on it’s own. Have to kick start it by touching a lead. I don’t know if they were in phase or not I have no way of telling. However they did resonate, and there was an output on the collector coil. It lit an L.E.D. when I attached the scope lead. It wouldn’t light an incandescent light though. I got it to light an incandescent 12 v. bulb when I used a divider and a lower frequency, in a previous experiment; it lit to about half brightness.
I’m going to try some 555 timers and see what I get. I am also going to wind another coil as soon as I get my economic stimulus check. Until then I’ll keep playing with this one.
Quote from: hughl651 on April 14, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
04/14/09
Well I tried the TTL oscillator, and couldn’t get it to stabilize, so I wound about 18 turns per coil of #30 telephone wire to use as feedback. Then I got each transistor to resonate on it’s own. Have to kick start it by touching a lead. I don’t know if they were in phase or not I have no way of telling. However they did resonate, and there was an output on the collector coil. It lit an L.E.D. when I attached the scope lead. It wouldn’t light an incandescent light though. I got it to light an incandescent 12 v. bulb when I used a divider and a lower frequency, in a previous experiment; it lit to about half brightness.
I’m going to try some 555 timers and see what I get. I am also going to wind another coil as soon as I get my economic stimulus check. Until then I’ll keep playing with this one.
The incand can light with an upgrade in power and/or treating the filament like a resonant coil on 'Q'. Bam! This is the clue to making it single wire fire. Fluorescents are easier.
The LED test could a ground loop problem. Use 10x setting or higher impedance probe. But like Otto mentioned the scope probe has steel in it. It can become magnetized, receive.
To stay on 'Q' with a 555 is tough because of the jitter. The 555 can only take you so far then you need a fet driver with noise control.
The resonating transistor is in the block oscillator type setup.
Use MSpaint and post a dirty pic if things have changed.
--giantkiller.
Looking at this picture. Is this what we are going to do?
Please remember I said I'm new to using forums.
This is what you are going to do.
Matches up with this
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg171911#msg171911
Because then you have something physical to test with and switch around. Try it.
Matches up some of Otto's loop in a loop configurations.
--giantkiller.
Seems as though sound canons have other uses.
http://rainengineering.com/
--giantkiller.
hey gk ...
lookie my new old toy
its a super heterodyne 6vdc battery powered tube radio from 1932 as i was told ... ;D
o the fun ....
ist!
just felt i had to show my new gift ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbvdG8cqhOE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odvO9zRRajU
Just thought someone would like to see other patterns...
--giantkiller
Atom 'A' exclaims to atom 'B': I think I lost an electron?!'
Atom 'B' replies 'Are you sure?'.
Atom 'A' replies ' I'm positive!'.
Ok here is a simple info bomb.
The GK4 had copper 90 degrees against iron.
The GK PMH had copper 90 degrees against steel.
The GK SM15 has copper 90 degrees against copper.
What about a copper to 90 degree copper device? Bias the seondary. This gives a secondary static field to impinge upon with the primary pulse to effect the magnetic moment. You then have 2 fields at 90 degrees.
In all these instances we have an inherent delay were the copper's magetic field moment declines faster than the other material's moment. We now have a delay instituted. The 90 degree placement, not coupling, enables an increased effect to the secondary declining field. This time gap between the primary and secondary field declination gives the RE effect!
As the secondary magnetic moment is declining in a reverse polarity action the primary material's pulse actuates against the secondary field as a high impact statement in a forward polarity. This eclipse is gamma ray fast! This is the speed we are attaining naturally.
When SM said he snipped the delay to find the right frequency. This was a spoof! He just cut a piece of iron in inline to get a slower magnetic moment as to compared to the copper's attributes.
--giantkiller. 'nuff sed.
QuoteAtom 'A' exclaims to atom 'B': I think I lost an electron?!'
Atom 'B' replies 'Are you sure?'.
Atom 'A' replies ' I'm positive!'.
LOL, good one!!
Just having fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGZPa6w-4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJAX6-HnNfc
Electric cars:
http://www.jameco.com/jameco/pressroom/msdelorean.html?emc=el&m=510594&l=2&v=4c4e5d1b1c (http://www.jameco.com/jameco/pressroom/msdelorean.html?emc=el&m=510594&l=2&v=4c4e5d1b1c)
http://www.jameco.com/jameco/pressroom/dragstrip.html?emc=el&m=510594&l=3&v=4c4e5d1b1c (http://www.jameco.com/jameco/pressroom/dragstrip.html?emc=el&m=510594&l=3&v=4c4e5d1b1c)
@GK--
Hey-what is that spurling harmonizer doing in your tesla coil? Looks like you might actually have it hooked in as the harmonizer coil appears wrapped and maybe some ss wire coming out the top? Can't really see it from the shot (reminds me of deciphering SM shots). I know you are just having fun but just wondering if you have noticed any effects or have any comments on adding it to your rig? I have have never cross pollinated the 2 and you got me thinking about the potential "super harmonizer" and effects...Anything worth commenting on?
QuantumPulse device.
http://www.thequantumpulse.com/ (http://www.thequantumpulse.com/)
I had a broken rib from the fall that broke my collar bone. The rib healed in a week. No tell tale signs. That is a function that this coil is used for. Alleviated a buddy's rotator cuff problem and his wife's weak knee also. It does a myriad of other healings too!
Quote from: Hman on October 07, 2009, 02:07:04 PM
@GK--
Hey-what is that spurling harmonizer doing in your tesla coil? Looks like you might actually have it hooked in as the harmonizer coil appears wrapped and maybe some ss wire coming out the top? Can't really see it from the shot (reminds me of deciphering SM shots). I know you are just having fun but just wondering if you have noticed any effects or have any comments on adding it to your rig? I have have never cross pollinated the 2 and you got me thinking about the potential "super harmonizer" and effects...Anything worth commenting on?
I thought those had been pulled??
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2008/ucm116990.htm
@GK--
Thanks...your personal experience is very interesting (love to hear it as i have experienced something similar)... you build some high quality looking stuff, so i assumed it was your doing. Have you tweaked it at all or are you using it as it was originally designed? I'm assuming the device is yours? I will look into this a bit more when I have a few.
There is this study with a similar device: http://www.biocharger.net/HealthStudy.htm. It was done with a MD and a health center but i haven't read all the details yet. It is also interesting to note that the upper coil looks very much like a rodin type coil--similar to yours with more windings and less of a degree shift for the wraps.
@darkspeed--
Of course the FDA doesn't like anyone who is claiming and hasn't paid their dues for approval BUT it looks like they have the appropriate language on their site now and therefore can continue: "The QuantumPulse is not a medical device and is not intended to be used in a medical situation of any kind; therefore, it is not FDA cleared... Nothing on this website is intended to diagnose, treat or cure any physical or medical conditions. If you have a physical or medical condition, you should seek the advice of your medical professional immediately."
For now, the research can continue...
The SOMA for the masses is 'AB NORMAL'...
Need I say more? I had a broken rib which takes 3 to 6 months to heal. I got it no more. Obviously the pioneer spirit isn't granted to all of us. Guess I am one of the chosen along with a few other renegades here, eh?
And that puts me in the league of extraordinary men who have used themselves as the lab rats or those that have succeeded against all odds. Because thats what it takes to get something done in the current mire of dead minds. Why do you think we are here?
The rest can just take a pill and put their heads own for now.
God, I love this game!
Do you know why Earth is called a planet? It is french for small plan, ha,ha,ha!
I got this coil from a friend who told me to apply myself and my wounds to this. It works well. It is quite refreshing to sit by it. Now I know why Telsa had that stungun chair he would sit in. These coils are used all over the world. Shades of Dotto and Rife, who started all this. The rest of the world partakes of the benefits. The coil is a hybrid and instead of letting the sparks fly the energy is diverted down into tubes of noble gases, like fluorescent lights.. The noble gases when ionized emit photons similar to those reaching us from the Sun. The body and DNA resonate the music of these frequencies. We are made of star stuff.
Quote from: Hman on October 07, 2009, 05:42:37 PM
@GK--
Thanks...your personal experience is very interesting (love to hear it as i have experienced something similar)... you build some high quality looking stuff, so i assumed it was your doing. Have you tweaked it at all or are you using it as it was originally designed? I'm assuming the device is yours? I will look into this a bit more when I have a few.
There is this study with a similar device: http://www.biocharger.net/HealthStudy.htm. It was done with a MD and a health center but i haven't read all the details yet. It is also interesting to note that the upper coil looks very much like a rodin type coil--similar to yours with more windings and less of a degree shift for the wraps.
@darkspeed--
Of course the FDA doesn't like anyone who is claiming and hasn't paid their dues for approval BUT it looks like they have the appropriate language on their site now and therefore can continue: "The QuantumPulse is not a medical device and is not intended to be used in a medical situation of any kind; therefore, it is not FDA cleared... Nothing on this website is intended to diagnose, treat or cure any physical or medical conditions. If you have a physical or medical condition, you should seek the advice of your medical professional immediately."
For now, the research can continue...
a useful tool :
http://www.andyware.com/abox2/index.html
Wings--
That is interesting software!
Hey GK--
I was looking for something 6 months back and I found the patent for that healing device you show and I saved it...Of course, I just spent an hour looking for it on my computer and can seem to find it now :( but it is out there...just thought you guys might be interested.
Thequantumpulse.com I have one and it works! Had a broken rib for 2 weeks now completely gone. Sprained my right wrist snowboarding. Gone next day.
Look up Rife and Dotto ring.
@wings,
The abox looks cool. Should make designing wave forms easier.
Keely mentioned 3rds, 6ths, and 9ths. Odd harmonics cause expansion where as even harmonics cause contraction. With that in mind I am designing a 12 channel sine wave genny 1-1mghz based on the xr2206 that can drive audio, coils, or plates. This is an overhaul of my Trinity device. With 12 channels I should be able to create a dodecahedron shaped interaction field. Like the nuclear detonator on the front of the Spherics document. the goal is coalesce mercury from a base material as a recycle and anti pollution function as well as mining operations.
Yup...know all that...and here is the patent with a ton of details.
Makes you think about building one--I know they are not cheap! H
Hi GK,
Long time no see... don't know if you remember my crazy ideas, been away doing some research on other stuff. Thought I would drop back in. Good to see you are still fighting the good fight...
Anyways, have improved an old idea of mine and also came across some interesting info regarding Tesla, seems that he might of got back at those that exploited and controlled his inventions, i.e. Edison and the power companies. It would be the ultimate irony and just like Tesla's intelligence to have embedded one of his best free energy inventions in something he designed for the power companies, which he knew would be around for a long time and which was part of their day to day business, the electric meter! Also a very good place to hide it, the last place his enemies would look. See Patent 514973... Seems if you wire it up a bit differently it generates power! I recommend you get a copy of William R. Lynes 'Pentagon Aliens' (might find it online) for further info and his tests using the device...
Have attached my latest mad untested design for my Cymatic Energy Generator which I last posted about in 2007.
One.
Acerzw
Can't seem to edit my last post anymore, which means its impossible to remove or change incorrect info, not a good innovation... After further checking I can see the patent is not important, rather it is the meter design with aluminum disc and copper with weak magnets... a bit Bedini like in its design... this is what William Lyne experimented with.
I have attached a PDF excerpt of the book with added info on the meter and photo's of the configuration of the main components.
Acerzw
@A!
I have a meter and the Pentagon Aliens book.
I will check it out.
Thamks: Thanks a million.
Another posted to me about opposing magnets. If you clamp 2 magnets opposed to each other you have a very tight field to ring. Kinda like a bell made of brass instead of lead.
Gk, I don't know if you came across Ben Rich, an ex-skunkworks employee, and his experiments with aluminum, copper and magnets? Created a summary of anomalous effects including the ones he found some time ago... attached as they are interesting... and appear to be common factors in successful free energy devices.
Let me know how you get on with the old meter, unclear to me if the effects Lyne experienced might of included feedback effects from other meters on his supply, though seems unlikely? does sound promising.
Apologies for this next bit being a bit off topic, but overlaps with your objectives a bit.
I have been doing research on reality/spiritual stuff as well as conspiracy stuff... so if you are interested you can find me at the Matrix Underground - 2010 Resistance Site under my real name - Robert Groom:
http://thewords.ning.com/
Summary of my 25 years research into all that stuff, only 9 pages, but is 2.5mb as it has pictures, here:
http://thewords.ning.com/forum/attachment/download?id=3228704%3AUploadedFile%3A36081
Will pop in from time to time if I come across anything good, there is a lot of health info on that site too.
Acerzw
have you tried to excite the flux,
in the TPU's iron primary coil,
using high frequency sound,
(speakers, electricity thought wet sand, or moving mechanical objects)
instead of high frequency electricity,
from a signal generator ?
frequency generators are an
expensive,
fragile,
bulky weakness.
which most normal human beings don't even know exists.
let alone find the justification to purchase.
but high frequency sound,
can be generated,
in many simple ways.
if you hit the iron primary coil,
with many different frequencies,
coming from 5 or 6 different sound-generation-sources,
than they might all combine together,
to create a much higher frequency,
inside the primary.
or maybe if you used two wire coils,
and a capacitor,
to make a tank circuit,
than the tank circuit could allow the existing frequency,
to super-oscillate,
under its own power.
i've read of people using simple coil/capacitor oscillators,
to create gigahertz of frequency.
cheap,
simple,
easy to repair parts,
will be required,
if a power source is ever going to become widespread.
otherwise,
the all-powerful-at-inhibiting economic obstacles,
will doom it to never be used.
if all of its parts,
other than maybe magnet wire,
cannot be found at a hardware store,
than that is a major weakness.
the average wage slave must not only understand how to build it,
but also be able to afford it.
Greetings dear free energy pioneers!
I'm new in here - at least as a registered user... :)
Has anybody yet tried to use a mixture of 48, 64 and 72 Hz or multiples of it as input for a TPU?
When I read about it at the beginning of this thread I wondered how it would sound if I mix those three frequencies per software. Interestingly my bass speakers got quite distorted / overloaded although the output power was really low :D
If you want to try it for yourself than you can use the following small test tool by me:
http://ul.to/64f59t
it comes with full VB6 source code and it's public domain.
(It is clean - but I can understand everyone who is very skeptic about executable attachments from new users - especially in forums like this one... So please compile it again from its code - or run it in a VM or with Sanboxie. Never rely on your AV-Software!)
Cortex, thanks for the upload. I do check everything at virustotal.com. It had one only hit from Prevx saying it had a medium risk malware dropper. IMO Prevx is a bit over the top at times. It was the only one of 43 antivirus scanners that found anything so I'm leaning toward this being safe and will try it. Just wonder if you know why this might have triggered Prevx to report this?
BTW the 'Stop All' function does not stop all 3 tones. Interesting effect when played through a large stereo. This may indeed be interesting to try with the TPU. I imagine using all 4 frequencies could get some very high frequency overtones.
I guess that reason why Prevx considers it as potentially showing malware characteristics is simply because my app generates a temporary .wav file (which contains the mixed preset frequencies) when it is started in order to being able to instantly start playing.
But there was no good reason for any virus to copy itself to a .wav file because they are not executed on their own but loaded by a player application...
As the .wav file generated by my app does not contain any program code either this behavior of Prevx is nothing but a sign of bad programming on it's own - or a kind of marketing trick in order to make people believe that it was able to find malware not detected by the concurrence scanners...
However I'll review this "issue" and then upload it again - if my assumptions are correct and Prevx keeps quite afterwards.
OK - I've found the "problem":
It was not the one i mentioned above - but the simple fact that the .EXE file had a blank company and product name in the so called file version information (that's a kind of ID3 tag for exe files). :o
So the only option to save my honor as a new member that wants to contribute was to found a new small business corporation called "WavMixer" ;D
Geez. Why don't you guys just step up and use some linux, then you need not worry about these virii scares at all. Virus scanners just another revenue source in an inferior software ecosystem.
Cheers,
Twinbeard
Quote from: Cortex on September 27, 2010, 03:16:19 PM
OK - I've found the "problem":
It was not the one i mentioned above - but the simple fact that the .EXE file had a blank company and product name in the so called file version information (that's a kind of ID3 tag for exe files). :o
So the only option to save my honor as a new member that wants to contribute was to found a new small business corporation called "WavMixer" ;D
I do use Linux a lot but there are still a lot of niche programs I have for Windows that are not available in Linux. Windows can be quite safe if you know what you are doing. Linux is not immune to a virus although they are much less common.
Cortex, thanks for checking into that although I didn't really have any concern of it being a virus. I figured it was just a little over the top coding by Prevx. Nice work though as it shows all clean now.
Cortex,
The fellows over here are playing with the music also!
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-5.html
Chet
Quote from: e2matrix on September 28, 2010, 01:11:21 PM
I do use Linux a lot but there are still a lot of niche programs I have for Windows that are not available in Linux. Windows can be quite safe if you know what you are doing. Linux is not immune to a virus although they are much less common.
I have not run across an application the I could not run on *NIX using either an emulator or a virtual machine. I challenge the notion that software is "not available in Linux." I will accept that there are lots of developers who do not make it possible for the open source community to make native ports, nor do they do so themselves, thereby limiting their software. I will not accept that I cannot find a way to run their software notwithstanding their poor choices as regards multi-platform support.
Regarding virii that can, from userspace or remotely, elevate to root privileges and successfully replicate across multiple *NIX boxes, I challenge you to cite an example. Name one.
Excellent.
There are 3 ways to play:
All sound through one channel, i.e. monophonic, choir in a church.
Sound sources split by a ratio to a ratio of output devices, i.e. stereo, quadraphonic, multiphonic.
A ratio of 1 signal to one output device,i.e. this gets very interesting. Our target should be resonant with the signal, signals or/ and mix. In otherwords instead of using our ears based on air as a medium to listen we use other matter, i.e. water( :o), granite, quartz( 8), ceramics, aluminium( :o).
Our ears are physically matched to air. Look at Hutchison's experiments with multiphonic sources vectored towards a target of different types of matter, this is a random approach. Stan Meyer contended using monophonic source against a single target made up of 2 destinations of matter, hydrogen & oxygen, this is a controlled approach. Now should you choose to use only one frequency the vectoring has to be reproduced by timing an impact or a harmonic of the matter.
If using 1 frequency on one target and another frequency on another target and another frequency on another target then I refer you to Leedskalnin.
http://planetary-engineering.com. (http://planetary-engineering.com.)
Quote from: Cortex on September 26, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
Greetings dear free energy pioneers!
I'm new in here - at least as a registered user... :)
Has anybody yet tried to use a mixture of 48, 64 and 72 Hz or multiples of it as input for a TPU?
When I read about it at the beginning of this thread I wondered how it would sound if I mix those three frequencies per software. Interestingly my bass speakers got quite distorted / overloaded although the output power was really low :D
If you want to try it for yourself than you can use the following small test tool by me:
http://ul.to/64f59t
it comes with full VB6 source code and it's public domain.
(It is clean - but I can understand everyone who is very skeptic about executable attachments from new users - especially in forums like this one... So please compile it again from its code - or run it in a VM or with Sanboxie. Never rely on your AV-Software!)
Hi all,
if you look back a few posts, you will se an APP posted by cortex.
over the last few days, with me as the geani-pig ( spelling? ) so to speak.... he has written out the bugs and also added some functionality to it....and i LIKE IT !!! will come in VERY HANDY.
i tried to attatch it....but OU wont let me attatch exe's.
so anybody who wants it....simply email me "this name"@yahoo.co.uk and i will glady send it.
attahced is software mentioned in my last post
This app is interesting but has some limitations.
The trouble with pc based ...and most digital based generators( that I know of )is that you do not have individual control of the phases whilst running . I dont mean fine frequency control.
Surely the phase relationships would be absolutely critical to any affect that you might be looking for .
Im not refering to simple phase inversion here.
If somebody could please write an app that has this attribute , controllable from separate input sources.. then and only then will you be able to explore this for any effects . The computer shutting down might be the first one but a starting point at least.
Try this one. Only goes to 20khz, but it has left right control and phasing. You can open as many as you want and mix frequencies.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Software/frequency-generator/
thanks wattsup...the only problem when having multiple copies open is that...how do you "sync" the playing of them.