This was so interesting, I thought it would be good to post- not exactly "Sun" energy, more like Central Sun Energy.
Tell me what you think...
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf
;D very good and clever from you to suuggest a topic on the electrinium
in electrinium.pdf there is an easy way to produce free energy from the Central Sun
QuoteThe body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage, so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to make.
it's all about catching Super light from black hole, from my point of view, we have talked about this a little bit in the Lee Tseug topic and in the Hutchison Crystal Battery topic
this is a very good explanation, the Central Sun give power to all blacks holes, blacks holes give power to all sun in the galaxy
there is a link on that
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html
Quote......
SuperLight is described as the opposite and complementary phase to ordinary light. While electromagnetic radiation - visible light is part of its spectrum - has a strong electric and a weaker magnetic component, in magneto-electric radiation the magnetic component outweighs its electric counterpart.
Milewski proposes a model which sees magneto-electric radiation as the source of gravity, emitted by black holes and traveling at the square of the speed of light. SuperLight has a correspondingly shorter wavelength and higher energy content than ordinary light and is the source of the energy of life, which makes for its connection to the area of healing through increased coherence in organisms.
While physics has tended to exclude life and consciousness from its equations we now have - with Milewski's model - a very real possibility to reach unification with meta-physics, generally considered the purview of faith and religion.
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Now, I believe a similar event occurs in the extremely dense and hot matter found in black holes. It is theorized that black holes contain magnetic monopoles and when these extremely dense, extremely small, extremely energetic magnetic monopoles release energy by lowering their orbit they radiate magneto?electric radiation, our SuperLight. So black holes really are not so black. They are radiant beings of SuperLight. Of course SuperLight escapes the strong gravitation forces of the black holes because its velocity is the square of the velocity of light and it therefore, can easily escape.
The current scientific thinking is that in the center of every galaxy in the universe is a black hole. There are billions and billions of galaxies all around us, and they all are producing SuperLight. We are literally bathed in a three-dimensional dynamic energy field, or an "Ether" of SuperLight ? a Dynamic Ether.
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and much more at the link
Quote from: Drannom on September 02, 2008, 06:21:13 AM
The body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others.
Drannom,
I was very interested in this electrinium battery as I think it would definitely work.
Mr. Nelson of rexresearch wrote me that it came from aliens during meditation sessions of some
young people and they tried to replicate but failed.
The problem is they describe a way for fabrication from silicon which is not available to most
researchers. My chemistry contact thought that some important information was carefully hidden.
In your message I just saw the above quoted "could be from steel" and wonder if anybody can describe a
way to make this from steel or carbon or any other material but crystals. As crystals are hard to work with
and very brittle. One crack and your efforts are gone.
Thank you devrimogun !
In electrinium there is a complex method to do it, there is also a simple method not described well (steel)
i suppose that steel can be overheat at red hot heat, an then cooling down slowly while putting a lot of volts in with a little ampere
each layer of iron-carbon will need a specific voltage to be compressed together, let's suppose there is 100,000 layers of cristallized steel in one milimeter, then the voltage needed will be very high, so it is preferable to crystallize a little piece of steel, let's say 1/10 milimeter for example, then you'll need many thousand volts for each 1/10 milimeter
In electrinium we have to understand the simple way by ourselves
the theory is simple, choose two molecule with different density, and cristallize them together with high voltage, then the two molecule will be nearer than in a natural way, this compressed compound will shine more super light and transform super light in electricity
many things is shinning more super light than chaostic things, every crystal shine more super light than chaostic things, most of them do not transform super light in electricity
secret military device include blue crystal producing a lot of energy (alien device give to military for underground basements, from projectcamelot)
the steel is the simple way to produce an electrinium from my point of view, so simple that we have only to try it
electrinium explan a new way to understand energy cicurlating in the universe, it sounds very accurate to me, the Central Sun theory with the Super Light let every inventor with a theory to fully understand every radiant device
radiant devices can catch Super Light or a consequence of the Super Light in the circulation of energy in the universe
my english is so bad that a can not explain it further
alll we have to do is understand the general principles, and then find out our own way to catch the Super Light
everythings must be simple, cause there is only a Central Sun giving power to all the eather, and alll the universe in only made of eather, then every atoms or molecules consume a lot of energy from the Central Sun, we have to break the equilibrium to catch Super Light
for example a large spark can catch some super light
i know, it is not a pleasure to read my english, sorry
Howdy Y'all,
I have just read the Electrinium.pdf document. I am familiar with the theory of growing semiconductor silicon crystals having been in the semiconductor industry for several years. Now I haven't grown the crystals myself, but I understand the theory well. In the Electrinium.pdf document Mr. Summera describes the theoretical process of "growing" Electrinium very well. It makes perfect sense to me. Ultimately you are making molecules of silver and iron. These molecules are arranged in the finished material so that they are all polarized in the same direction. This gives the effect of stacking batteries, but at a molecular level. This results in high voltages at tiny currents. Then the small, high voltage crystals are paralleled to increase the net current. So say you produce one that is the size of a AA battery. Rather than having a single crystal which traverses the length of the cell you have a lot of tiny cells which are paralleled in a matrix inside the cell. This way we can replicate the voltage and amperage of a 1.5 Volt AA battery cell, but it is composed of something very different inside. Something which is a permanent battery.
I imagine that the composition of the structure would be similar to an electrolytic capacitor. Where you have an anode plate with its conductor to the east. Next you place a thin wafer of the Electrinium. Then you have the cathode plate with its conductor to the west. Then there is a dielectric plate to insulate this cathode plate from the next anode plate. Then the process starts over to add the next cell. First an anode plate, then the wafer of Electrinium, then the cathode plate, then the dielectric plate, et cetera. This would require several processes to produce the finished Electrinium batteries. You would have to fabricate the iron silver molecules in one process and the silicon borozon mixture in another process. Mix the two solutions together and grow the Electrinium crystals. Then slice the crystals into appropriate wafers and fabricate the batteries. Then to activate the batteries you would have to reheat the entire battery to 1200 to 1400 degrees Fahrenheit and apply a direct current to align the silver iron crystals. When the battery reaches the right temperature, and the crystals align it will start producing current on its own. Then you can allow the batteries to cool down with a resistive circuit attached to allow the silver iron molecules to retain their alignment. When the battery is cool, and the silver iron molecules are physically set the battery is permanent and will produce current perpetually.
This is so cool!
Blessed Be...
Zmonkey
It seems that you know what youre talking about.
If you replicate those electrinium batteries, I will be one your first clients to buy some.
Jesus
I wonder if what the video calls electrinium sludge can be used in some way .
Maybe if it was mixed with something like epoxy and put between 2 plates then a current could be ran through it until it set up to keep the pairs aligned .
gary
Howdy Nievesoliveras,
I'll let you know as soon as I synthesize a working battery. This one is going to take significant capital...
Resonanceman, the problem with the Electrinium sludge is that it is in a semi-fluid state. Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document that it needs to be in a crystallized state to maintain its form. When you draw heavy currents out of a battery it will heat up. I work with printed circuit boards which are made with fiberglass and epoxy. The trouble with epoxy is that when it gets hot it melts. If you leave a circuit board in the process to long it will overheat and delaminate, which ruins the circuit board. The same will happen with a Electrinium sludge epoxy sandwich battery, when you draw too much current it will overheat and destabilize, then you have a dead battery.
A regular silver iron battery will produce Electrinium but it is a byproduct of the chemical reaction which produces the current flow out of the battery, and it is considered waste. Oh, if they only knew. This particular battery needs to be built from the molecular level up. That doesn't mean you have to build it molecule by molecule, but you need and intelligent process where the Electrinium molecules can self-organize. A crystal growing process will allow that self-organization to happen. That is what defines a crystal, it is nature's intelligence creating an self-organized structure. This is why crystals are so fascinating to man.
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 19, 2008, 11:58:12 AM
Howdy Nievesoliveras,
I'll let you know as soon as I synthesize a working battery. This one is going to take significant capital...
Resonanceman, the problem with the Electrinium sludge is that it is in a semi-fluid state. Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document that it needs to be in a crystallized state to maintain its form. When you draw heavy currents out of a battery it will heat up. I work with printed circuit boards which are made with fiberglass and epoxy. The trouble with epoxy is that when it gets hot it melts. If you leave a circuit board in the process to long it will overheat and delaminate, which ruins the circuit board. The same will happen with a Electrician sludge epoxy sandwich battery, when you draw too much current it will overheat and destabilize, then you have a dead battery.
I don't think that the sludge being in a semi liquid state is a big problem . It can be encapsulated.
I agree that heat would be a problem .
I am not saying that this would be the best way to make an electrinium battery, but it might be a good proof of concept .
It would also be cheep
It seems to me that a cheep easy to make low power battery might be more practical than a higher power battery that most are not able to make .
I think that an energy solution that the people can make themselves is a better solution than a similar solution that has to be made for them .
As far as the heat . Making it flat and thin would give it alot of area to dissipate heat .
If that isn't enough, then add some current limiting .
gary
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I also like the idea of maybe being able to use dead batterys to make a longer lasting battery .
Z monkey you are quite the expert on that field :o. If capital is the only problem I'm sure some are more than willing to donate to get it done, because it sounds like you need some lab to do certain things. But the end result makes it worth it.
Howdy Y'all,
I wouldn't say that I'm an expert yet. I haven't built anything yet , I just understand the concepts because I have worked in semiconductors. Yes capital and financing is a problem at this point. Do you remember in the news back in June, John McCain wanted to give a $300M grant to someone that could come up with a better automotive battery? Here is a CNN Link.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/23/campaign.wrap/
Now, if he was sincere, and if that was a grant and not a loan, that would be great incentive to start the Electrinium Battery Company. But as per Mr. Summera's directive this could not be another monopolistic energy company. This technology would have to be shared. Which would mean an open source policy. Other companies would be encouraged to build the Electrinium Battery. There would educational kits to teach students of every age the concept of the Electrinium Battery. Plans would be provided via the Internet so that every DIY guy could make his own. Then the company itself would make money by manufacturing batteries, and not selling licenses or rights to a patent. This is a very altruistic business model, but it is necessary if we want to spread free energy far and wide. All too often in the modern world companies make money selling information and profiting from interest. These are not legitimate means of earning money and we see the companies that engage in these endeavors paying the price of their bad karma. A new paradigm in the business world needs to be formed where money is made from good work performed, and information is provided freely (No more secrets).
Broli, as for the prototyping lab there is specific equipment required, but not really a significant amount of equipment required. We would need smelting pots to melt the silicon borozon mixture and the iron silver mixture. A high temperature mixer to mix the silicon borozon mixture and the iron silver mixture. A crystal growing table like they use in semiconductor fabrication houses. A diamond saw to cut the wafers of Electrinium. Metal forming equipment for forming the electrodes. And, last a high temperature kiln to initialize the batteries which has a conveyor running through it so that we could develop an automated process. All in all we would have to construct an automated battery manufacturing factory, which would be expensive, but the potential business far outweighs the startup cost considering the technologies we are dealing with.
Put a bank of Electrinium batteries in your Tesla Roadster and you would never have to recharge the car, EVER! Do the same with a Toyota Prius or a Chevy Volt and your will never have to stop at the gas station, EVER! Cell phones, portable radios, power tools, laptop computers, UPS units, watches, test equipment, handheld GPS, lawn equipment, electric cars, wireless lights, aircraft, spacecraft, satellites, the list goes on and on, everything can use this technology.
Blessed Be...
I agree that the implications are huge. We only need a few dozen batteries as proof of concept, the mass production comes later. This project also begs for corporation between many different people each specially skilled in one thing so the project can go smooth. All I can help with is talk and a little money ;D. So how soon can we kick start it?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere about serious attempts to reproduce what is described in the pdf file, but it couldn't be got to work - or is there actually some physical proof available somewhere that this is more then just a nice idea?
Hi!
I stumble last nigh with a pdf that on page 83 starts an explanation on how to build a battery that lasts 70 years. The important thing that I would like zmonkey to hnow is the formula he uses for the slodge
I mean for the contents inside the battery. It would be great if someone can find those ingredients and do some experiments with them to see if they can form the desired electrinium.
It is here: http://free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKbook.pdf
Jesus
You need to be more specific than "somewhere" Sprocket, check this article out;
http://pesn.com/2007/12/06/9500462_ElectriniumBattery/
Seems to me that z monkey is our semi conductor guy, someone with an oven our baker and a crystal grower finally who I believe are a few here.
Howdy Y'all,
Broli, we only need a warehouse of industrial equipment...
Sprocket, Electrinium is a real thing, it is already in batteries, just not in the crystallized form.
Nievesoliveras, I am not finding batteries in that *.pdf.
Broli, A regular oven is not going to do this. Working with crystals is like glass manufacturing. We'll need a kiln. To form semiconductor Silicon you basically take sand and Carbon then heat them to 1900 degrees Celsius to release the Oxygen from the Silicon Dioxide. The remnant is Carbon Dioxide. Allow it to cool a while and then seed it with silicon crystal. Then you "pull" the crystal out of the molten mixture. Usually this is done in two processes, one to purify the silicon, and in another you remelt the silicon and make an ingot, or large crystal. Not a trivial task. Not a cheap task. Here is a product brochure for a silicon ingot growing furnace.
http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp
The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently. Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with. When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool. When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process. The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself. Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium. This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work. This is why it hasn't been done yet. It is risky and expensive. The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more. So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now. I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 19, 2008, 07:56:51 PM
http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp
The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently. Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with. When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool. When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process. The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself. Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium. This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work. This is why it hasn't been done yet. It is risky and expensive. The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more. So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now. I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
One of the sites said that a piece the size of a fist could produce enough power to be lethal .
The machine in your link mkes 8 inch ingots . Is there something out there that could be used to make small ingots maybe 2 or 3 inches ?
gary
Howdy Resonanceman,
Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster. The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner. But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process. When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting. When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries. Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules. After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules. After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own. Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience. I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 19, 2008, 09:56:09 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,
Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster. The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner. But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process. When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting. When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries. Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules. After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules. After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own.
Z Monkey
Sorry I might not have worded my question very well .
In my opinion if you have the equipment to make 8 in ingots then 8 in ingots would be the way to go .
I am asking if there is a way to get around the large scale equipment for some test runs .
I am not asking about what would be ideal for the process .......more like what could be used to prove the concept in a cost effective way .
Quote
Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience. I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.
Blessed Be...
I have a feeling that you are right about this .
That kind of worries me .
If one person or group gets the money together to get the right equipment to get this going . They would be like a sitting duck for whoever suppressed this before.
If it was suppressed once I see no reason to believe that there would not be attempts to suppress it again.
I think the key to getting this out into the public is to find ways to get it done cheep ...... so many can try it .
gary
Z-monkey I'm very sure we can think of something to keep it as cheap as possible. Buying an oven would be insane unless you want to mass produce it. Aren't there people on here who already own one or know a company that could do this on demand for a fraction of the price? Surely that would be much cheaper. Even it's only one battery, as long as it does what it says any other company out there wants to get on the bandwagon. Which is fine as long as they respect the open license it has.
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,
Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment. Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible. I don't think this will be cheap any way round. Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort. The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet. They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"
We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least. I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process. This will not do well to be done by hand. We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal. A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals. At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.
For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries. From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries. This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.
About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress. As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that. As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium. Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth. Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries. This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.
Blessed Be...
in electrinium it is possible to create a device with many pairs of two molecules of different density, you may get heat instead of electricity
i propose to create micro electrinium, then you'll have to cristallize a little piece of for example iron-carbon (steel) it will not produce a lot of electricity bur will proove the valid concept of electrinium
anything can be crystallize, almost everything, many pairs of compound will destroy themselve if the frequency is not harmonic (by overheat)
create a micro electrinium is like create a little cristallization while putting a lot of volt
tha main principle of electrinium is that you oriented and compressed together two differents atoms or molecules so near that this compressed etheric zone will shine Super Light convert in electricity
ortherwise any crystalized things will shine polarized Super Light , as if it is normal light through a normal crystal
i known, i think i understand it well but still experiment difficulty to tell it
Howdy Drannom,
I agree there are many different atomic combinations that can produce this effect. I am fixated on the Iron-Silver-Silicon-Borozon combination which Mr. Summera wrote about. If you think about it this mixture would produce a blue gray crystal. I am thinking that Mr. Summera has experience in this technology. Like he said in the Electrinium document this is all based on Tesla's research and Super Light and the possibilities are grand. Many different technologies are possible and the Electrinium Battery is just a starting point. But it is a good starting point that is beneficial to the world. The Electrinium Battery Company could be a starting point to reactivate Tesla's research. If would could pry the entirety of Tesla's research out of the hands of the US.Gov we could continue the work that he started. This could continue to produce many wonderful technologies that the world was deprived of nearly 100 years ago...
Blessed Be...
yes blue crystal, like those one in the secret underground basements (from projectcamelot) giving them all power they need to travel underground from one city to an another underground cities !
in the Hutchison topic we have learned (heuuu i have ) that Hutchison began with military diode, military secret technology allow to create diode like a little electrinium (i think)
probably Hutchison read some volts from one of those secret military diode (i think)
then i look to a simple way to cristallize two atoms of differents weight like iron-carbon (steel) in a micro electrinium, of about 1/10 milimeter !
i do not know if will perform it, in electrinium he said that it is very easy with steel and i like what is very easy
we can manage to convert steel electrinium without cutting it in plate, instead we can convert it in heat (short circuit through resistance) ! so easy heat
Zmonkey
Exactly on page 851 of the Pjkbook.pdf There is a formula of the ingredients. Check it again.
Jesus
Quote from: z.monkey on September 20, 2008, 05:53:24 AM
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,
Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment. Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible. I don't think this will be cheap any way round. Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort. The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet. They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"
We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least. I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process. This will not do well to be done by hand. We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal. A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals. At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.
For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries. From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries. This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.
About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress. As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that. As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium. Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth. Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries. This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
I think "scrapyard ingenuity" is the way to go .
Anyone can come up with an answer if they have unlimited bucks to throw at the problem .
It takes brains to come up with a solution that requires few bucks .
I can't find the exact drive I was thinking .
This drive is similar and a good starting point for explaining the differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive
In the animation on the link the output of the drive moves 1 tooth with an input of 1/2 revolution .
This is good but as I understand it red gear is metal and all the usable torque has to go through the connection. It is not easy to transfer torque through something with that much freedome of movement .
The drive I was thinking about works with the same principle except the yellow "wave generator plug" is replaced by a gear . The red gear is replaced with toothed belt with teeth on both sides .
The inner gear is sized to be as large as possible, with the outer gear, the belt and the inner gear all meshed on one side, there would be just enough room on the other side for the belt to slip between the gears.
If the inner gear is driven around the outer gear by an eccentric ( a drive shaft with the driving part intentionally off center ) and the inner gear is allowed to rotate the belt will slowly rotate .
If 2 or more matching eccentrics are used to drive the inner gear it will follow a circular path around the outer gear but will not rotate. The outer gear with then rotate at the difference in circumference of the gears per revolution.
I am not sure how small they make drive belts with teeth on both sides .
I am pretty sure we can find one small enough to be usable .
As far as the inner and outer gears . I am sure that they will have to be custom made .
With this design the force is spead out across many teeth .
Using a larger belt spreads the load even more.
I see no reason that at least the tooth part of the inner and outer gears could not be made of plastic .
I have seen posts with very nice looking plastic parts made with homemade CNC machines.
Maybe one of those people could help with the gears.
I was thinking that the outer gear would have a metal disk attached to the bottom and it would be attached to a ball screw .
The whole thing could be driven by a stepper motor .... I would suggest that the drive be belt driven and geared down enough that the stepper motor runs at is max speed to have the ball screw pulling at the fasted expected growth rate.
Another little detail . If the outer part of the outer gear of the drive was round the drive could be " clamped " in place during use . ( possibly by air cylinders )
After a pull the drive could be unclamped and it would rotate at the speed of the stepper motor drive . This would allow the system to be reset for another pull in a short period of time.
As I see it oven would be fixed near the bottom of the machine.
It would have a hole in the top to pull the crystal through .
There would also be a " cooling chamber " that rises as the crystal is pulled.
This cooling chamber would trap and hold much of the heat escaping from the oven.
The ball screw and drives would all be above this cooling chamber . in open air .
If someone on this site has a CNC big enough for the gears and is willing to help then the only parts I can think of that need machining are the eccentrics and their mounting hardware . and the metal disk that will make up the center of the outer disk and connect to the ball screw.
The rest of the stuff I would classify as basement tech . anyone with a real desire to build could get it done .
I am not including the heat source for the oven in this post . I am assuming resistance wire or natural gas . but I have no experience with either . so I will leave the heat to those that understand it .
gary
resonanceman
your link does not resonate at all with this topic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive
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QuoteA harmonic drive is an input/output gearing mechanism. It is typically used for gearing reduction, but may also be used to increase rotational speed or for differential gearing. Very high gear reduction ratios are possible in a small volume (100:1 is possible in the space that Planetary gears typically only
are you doing some marketing here for something else ?
what are you doing ? start a topic on that somewhere else!
what is the fuck is this, i do not understand the relation, why read that while studying electrinium ?
there are no gear in any electrinium, so start something else
or go to sleep right now
why shall we look to your link and loose some time, we are suppose to study anything but not gears
are you loose in this forum ? or shall we talk about fuel, or my cats ?
Howdy Drannom,
Yeah, we do need a gear drive to manufacture Electrinium. We need a precise geared mechanism to pull the crystal out of the molten mixture in the crucible. Unlike organic crystals which grow submerged in a salt solution, silicon crystals grow at high temperatures (1900 degrees C) and need to be very precisely pulled out of a molten silicon mixture at precisely the right temperature when it starts to solidify. If you pull the crystal too quickly it will crack. You need a constant, persistent, and very precise pull. This gear mechanism needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the crystal, and also rugged enough to resist the high temperatures of the process. I think Resonanceman's contribution is valid and useful. This Electrinium idea is useless as information alone. We need to be able to manufacture it for it to be useful to mankind...
Blessed Be...
Maybe he was drunk or high ::). Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise :P.
Z Monkey
How far would we need to pull the crystal?
The way you described the process needing just the right speed and temperature
I am wondering if it would work pulling it out of a crucible It seems to me that all the contents of the crucible would cool at the same time making for a very short pull
How viscus is the melted silicon?
If it is pretty viscus it might be an idea to cast it into rods then have some kind of tube in place of a crucible
The silicon would have to be heated through the tube ......it would be a slow process ..........but heat would be controllable
We would need a drive on the bottom as well as the top . so we could accurately control the speed and crystalization process.
As far as heat goes ......I was planning on keeping the ball screw the drive and motor out of the heat .
I was thinking that we would need a fixed high temp oven section.
We would then need a larger " traveling " box that would trap the heat escaping from the high temp section
The temprature difference between the inner oven and the outer box would control the cooling rate for the crystal.
This box could be built in sections and telescope
If we melted the silicon in a tube instead of a crucible we would need 2 moving boxes.
I guess that is enough for now .
gary
Quote from: broli on September 20, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
Maybe he was drunk or high ::). Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise :P.
yes, i was drunk and high
sorry resonanceman, in the electrinium there is a gearing system to push or pull the crystal while it is growing, that's right
when i saw some gearing to push a cristallizing crystal in electrinium, i do not care, i forgot, cause i focus on a very little system to cristallize something more simple than the compicated receipe
i have grown many crystals, and i look to a simple way to test the theory of the electrinium, i look for a very short cristallization, (with no gear), just little electrinium crystal with steel, something easy for all to proove the theory
and i am proud of you all trying the complex method, i prefer to test it in a simple way
the wine was red De Noiret, and the high was an homemade vegetable...
sorry resonanceman, in fact i was going to sleep right after my above post
So guys besides the talking where does this bring us now? What can we start that is already possible without needing fancy tools. Maybe at least the collection of the ingredients, the container and/or an electrification setup that would align the molecules.
Howdy Y'all,
I wish I was high. I have been denying my habits for spiritual enlightenment.
Resonanceman, the reason the silicon mixture is pulled and not cast is because you want a crystalline structure to grow. If you extrude the mixture through a tube is you basically get a glass structure which is almost crystalline instead of a quartz structure which is a real crystal. The molten silicon is the viscosity of a dense clay. Imagine when you have seen molten glass being worked. It is a red hot mass of puddy which is very hard to work. The crucible would have to be continuously heated and a blast of cool air would allow the top of the mass to begin to solidify, this is where you stick the seed, and begin pulling the cooling crystal out of the crucible. Electrinium will have a little different characteristics. There will be iron, silver and borozon in the mixture as well. This will change the melting point, the melted viscosity, the cooling rate and the pull rate. All of these variables are unknown at the moment and the precise ratio of elements is also unknown. We would have to make our best guess, run a batch and test it. Then do it again and again and again and again....
Drannom's idea about using carbon and iron (steel) to do this is intriguing. We can go to the hardware store and buy steel, no need to fabricate it. To activate, and align, the iron carbon molecules we would need to apply a direct current to a piece of steel. Then heat it up to the point where the molecules are mobile enough to reorient themselves. When the molecules align they will start to conduct. Mr. Summera said that when the material starts to conduct current we would need to remove the direct current and attach a load resistor. The resistor can be attached at the beginning of the process, then when the material starts to conduct then we simply remove the direct current source. Then allow the material to cool with the load resistor attached. Once the material is cool then the molecules are set and the steel becomes a permanent battery.
There are also other materials which have the same properties. You would basically pick and element and find its polar opposite then bond them together in a process. Some may be easier to work with than the Electrinium. I am not a chemical engineer so picking those materials is not my area, Drannom may be better at doing that. I am more of a manufacturing engineer. I develop processes where we can mass replicate something, usually electronics and electronic products.
Batteries are the cheapest, easiest, most profitable, and least environmentally friendly way of exploiting the phenomena of elemental duality. They produce electricity for a limited time and then they are used up, have to be recharged and thrown away. If a little more thought was put into the battery it could be a powerful energy source. I know why this was not done, Profitability. Profit ruled the 20th century. If a company started making batteries that never wore out that would hurt future sales. This is a very selfish and shortsighted point of view, but I can understand it. The same thing happened with many manufactured products. So there is a massive body of information on batteries and we can glean from that body of information everything we need to make permanent batteries...
Blessed Be...
Drannon
:)
No offense taken .
Quote from: broli on September 21, 2008, 06:31:19 AM
So guys besides the talking where does this bring us now? What can we start that is already possible without needing fancy tools. Maybe at least the collection of the ingredients, the container and/or an electrification setup that would align the molecules.
Broli
I don't know anything about chemistry ......I will have to trust others to that.
I am good at finding visualizing and basic mechanical design .
I am good at finding ways to get machines to do what it is needed .
I do think there is a lot of potential in Electrinium
I do think that a proof of concept experiment would be very valuable .....even if it didn't put out much power.
A few general questions for all.
When they make glass fibers for optical networking they deposit the glass in a different form
I don't remember what they call it .......but it is white and chalky . As I understand there are different impurities in different parts of this form.
they then heat the whole thing up and it fuses into a clear mass of glass.
When they draw the fibers the impurity's keep the same cross section so they can have different optical characteristics in the core of the fiber than in the outer part.
Can something like this be done when making Electrinium?
Electrinium requires an electric current to align the molecules in the final step . Is there a way to add an electric current to the crystallizing process ?
Could adding a current flow make any of the possible combination's materials more practical?
I read somewhere that if you electroplate layers of different metals thin enough on the same object the coating will mimic a solid alloy
Could an Electrinium crystal be grown in layers like that?
gary
Howdy Resonanceman,
If we align the Electrinium molecules during the crystal growing process then we have a massive activated crystal that we would need to be sliced up to make the wafers for the batteries. This would be hazardous. It is better to activate the Electrinium after the batteries have been manufactured.
The electroplating process is intriguing. You basically build the battery one molecular layer at a time. Semiconductors are manufactured in this methodology. Where you start with a silicon substrate and build the circuit from the bottom up one layer at a time...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 21, 2008, 08:23:58 AM
Resonanceman, the reason the silicon mixture is pulled and not cast is because you want a crystalline structure to grow. If you extrude the mixture through a tube is you basically get a glass structure which is almost crystalline instead of a quartz structure which is a real crystal. The molten silicon is the viscosity of a dense clay.
Z Monkey
That is good . So the tube Idea could work.
All the ingredients could be melted and cast into plugs that fit inside a tube.
The lower section of tube ( inside the heat box ) would act as a preheater
A drive similar to a harmonic drive would push the plugs into the tube at a certain speed.
The tube would have to extend though the oven.
Once the silicon got hot enough it would it would leave the oven and at some point past the oven cryrstal puling would start. ( using a second harmonic drive set at a specific speed. )
I would think that having a heat box around the oven and keeping it near the melting point would make the whole process less critical. In other words .......the silicon would be near melting point before it reached the oven ........and it would hold the right temperature for pulling longer than if a lower air temp was chosen .
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on September 21, 2008, 09:04:57 AM
Howdy Resonanceman,
If we align the Electrinium molecules during the crystal growing process then we have a massive activated crystal that we would need to be sliced up to make the wafers for the batteries. This would be hazardous. It is better to activate the Electrinium after the batteries have been manufactured.
If the Electrinium can be activated during crystal growth I would think that we would have a whole different process.........probably more like an assembly line of smaller crystals
Quote
The electroplating process is intriguing. You basically build the battery one molecular layer at a time. Semiconductors are manufactured in this methodology. Where you start with a silicon substrate and build the circuit from the bottom up one layer at a time...
wouldn't it be great if it was as simple as doping layers of silicon with the right stuff?
It could lead to things like self powered electronic chips
gary
Hi!
For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)
Jesus
This damn thing always says that the size is not correct or that I already sent this post. I will keep trying.
Hi!
For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)
Jesus
Hi!
For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)
Jesus
Hi!
For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)
Jesus
Hi!
For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)
Jesus
Hi!
That is it!
Maybe they are repeated, but it is not my fault. The damn machine kept saying or that the graphic was larger than 100kb or that I already had posted it.
So I went back two screens and click reply, then start it all over again and again, till I got the 8 graphics reduced with I_view32 posted.
I do expect that the battery formula from this guy be of help in the pursued electrinium goal.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 10:36:30 AM
I do expect that the battery formula from this guy be of help in the pursued electrinium goal.
Jesus
Jesus
I looked that that device quite a while back .
I stopped looking when I read that it was radioactive.
I just don't have any desire to play with radioactive stuff.
I do agree that the infomation might be of value
It could provide an idea for a different combanation of ingredients..
Or maybe someone will notice ways that the 2 systems are parallel
gary
Hi!
I just thought that the formula was great to make a hardened battery with the process of putting a current through it to get the molecules aligned. as the electrinium pdf file says. Not the whole machinem just the formula ingredients. It is my mistake then!
Jesus
here is something that might be of value with this thing.
WHen I was reading about Electrinium there was something about a pinching effect being part of the way it worked.
That idea brought cold fusion to my mind as it was described as the heavy water getting pinched by the palladium.
This device looks like a form of cold fusion to me .
If we can find some common threads between all of them we may be able to pass Go and collect $200
gary
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 01:57:53 PM
It is my mistake then!
Jesus
Jesus
This is a place where people share there ideas and opinions on different mostly energy related subjects .
It is my opinion that the device that you posted about is dangerous ....... I am not an expert ...I could be wrong .
Your opinion that the information might be helpful might prove to be right.
You had an opinion and you shared it .......that is good .
No mistakes were made !!!!!!!!
thanks for sharing .
:)
gary
Could cadmium phosphorous and cobalt be made to produce a form of electrinium ?
gary
Hi!
The electrinium pdf said that the electrinium is a residue in the batteries. The batteries are made from different elements and maybe what forms the electrinium is not precisely the components used, but the electricity that pass through the individual components changing their compositions.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 22, 2008, 02:04:52 PM
Hi!
The electrinium pdf said that the electrinium is a residue in the batteries. The batteries are made from different elements and maybe what forms the electrinium is not precisely the components used, but the electricity that pass through the individual components changing their compositions.
Jesus
I believe Z Monkey said that the Electinium in batterys is semi liquid and can't be used .
I wonder if that can be used to our advantage .
If I understand right electrinium is pairs of molecules of 2 metals
If one of those metals was iron wouldn't the iron part of the pair stick to a strong magnet?
It would seem to me that a strong enough magnet should hold the electrinium in pretty good alignment The question seems to be how much space should be allowed for the elecrinium ?
Are the pairs rigid enough to act like little ball bearings ? If so they could simply be clamped
Or are they squishy? if they are squishy there would have to be some kind of spacer to set the right distance between the plates .
Any ideas on if this would work ? or what other metal to use besides the iron?
How would we make the electrinium pairs ?
I am guessing make a battery with the right metals and put a load on it and let it run .
gary
Edit
I have a coil made with iron and copper. The iron corrodes the copper stays pretty much the same . So I don.t think this combination would make any electrinium.
Someone who grasps this idea should make some pictures for us dumbos :D. What I understood so far is that you indeed have these pairs (don't know which has which polarity) in some crystal substance to hold them hard and "fixed" opposed to a regular battery where everything is soft and falls apart.
iron is meant to go with carbon, because there is harmonic between them, is you use a wrong pair you'll get an heater device or a self destruction device, an heater is not bad at all !
i suggest to begin with a little mini micro crystal, so you'll need less voltage for each layer
Hutchison have begun with a military diode !!
the voltage while crystallizing could be replace with an electrostatic field (or a magnet) but i do not believe it will work
it is the difference in the density of the two molecules in the pair that gives the potentiel in the battery, so iron can be positive or negative depending of the second molecule used !
it is like doing a compressed zone among the ether, then in this compressed zone there are a flow of super light reflected, the voltage will align the pair and transform super light in electricity,
this is what i believe is true for the iron carbon crystal
anything can be cristallized, even biological proteins can be, so it is for simple steel
i have already state that plate will be much easier to do than a long crystal
with my alum crystal, i had to begin with very little ones at first, i would have never succeed if i was beginnning with a big crystal, never !, we always have to progress step by step
to get only one layer you'll have to put and iron plate or a piece of iron with a piece of carbon (graphit), the contact surface between them will be the molecular layer, to cristallize one layer you do need to preheat before at red, then apply low current with high voltage,
two rods may work !
this is what i think
two rods, one surface in contact with the other, finally it is looking like a super diode !
just cristallized the contact surface of the two rods !
Quote from: Drannom on September 23, 2008, 03:50:18 AM
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to get only one layer you'll have to put and iron plate or a piece of iron with a piece of carbon (graphit), the contact surface between them will be the molecular layer, to cristallize one layer you do need to preheat before at red, then apply low current with high voltage,
two rods may work !
this is what i think
two rods, one surface in contact with the other, finally it is looking like a super diode !
just cristallized the contact surface of the two rods !
Drannon
So a way to make Iron / carbon Electrinium would be to get an iron rod and a carbon rod
make a jig to hold themend to end and apply some pressure.
Then apply enough current to melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower the current while keeping pressure on the junction
It seems clear to me that the pressure would have to be just right.
to much and it will squish out. to little and there will be voids.
I think a tight fitting non conductive tube around the junction might make it much more likely to get it right .
gary
Hi!
I was browsing the site index last night and I saw somewhere that there is a german guy that melt some mineral rocks and make a cristal that gives some volts. I lost the url, because my machine freezed.
If I find it again I will post it.
Jesus
Hi!
Found it: http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
It is in german though.
Jesus
Quote from: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
Drannon
So a way to make Iron / carbon Electrinium would be to get an iron rod and a carbon rod
make a jig to hold themend to end and apply some pressure.
Then apply enough current to melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower the current while keeping pressure on the junction
It seems clear to me that the pressure would have to be just right.
to much and it will squish out. to little and there will be voids.
I think a tight fitting non conductive tube around the junction might make it much more likely to get it right .
gary
I made a few crude drawings of how I think this might work.
This is the basic idea
The blue is a ceramic bead it as a hole through it that is a tight fit with the electrodes
It also has a widened area in the middle of the hole.
The carbon and iron electrodes both are fitted into copper stubs. This is both to lower resistance and to help transfer heat out when the current is melting the junction. The idea is to keep the melted part well within the bead.
This is the start of the heating phase .
I am thinking that the voltage should be ramped up slowly shooting for melting the junction fully in a few minutes.
This is a drawing of the powerbead with the junction fully melted.
I am thinking that it should be held fully melted for 10 or 15 min then the current should be lowered slowly so that it takes a couple hours to cool
The finished powerbead
The widened section in the ceramic bead may be a bit exageerated in these drawings.
If it is to wide the current may not align the molecules so it could end up shorting out the junction
I do think it is helpful over all it helps provide maximum junction diameter. and helps to lock the whole thing together ....
I think that the technology in the water arc thread might be helpful ....only we would be using it reversed. using LV to heat the junction then blasting it with HV pulses to shake more molecules into alignment
Hi resonanceman
you are almost perfectly in resonance with the idea of carbon-iron ! in fact you have done a great work ! you have put it further with your imagination, thank you
in this process we may have more than one layer of compound (few hundreds), if the cristallized part is thin enough then we will be able to align molecules with a few hundreds volts
i have just one thing to change
QuoteThen apply enough current to melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower the current while keeping pressure on the junction
in my idea i would use a butane torch to heat up the two rods, because it will need a lot of current to melt the rods, with a torch and only a few current with high voltage would be enough
anyway i agree with your idea to melt them with the current
you are very good, that system will allow to make many experiences with many type of rods, and with only few hundreds of cristallized layer
all this theory is base on the statement from the electrinium that is an easy way to do an electrinium with steel, we have to imagine what means : very easy
then if two rods does not work we will have to try with a little piece of steel (iron-carbon), as a complete compound to cristallize while putting high voltage
then anyone will be able to replicate such an easy way if we got a working device
Quote from: Drannom on September 23, 2008, 07:09:58 PM
in my idea i would use a butane torch to heat up the two rods, because it will need a lot of current to melt the rods, with a torch and only a few current with high voltage would be enough
Drannon
Are you talkiing about preheating the rods with a torch ?
I don't see any way to use a torch for the final heating unless we throw out the ceramic bead.
Personally I think the bead is what makes it practical .
The big questing I have is how pressure will affect the process .
I drew the bead pretty thick It should be able to handle fairly high pressures if high pressures helps the crystal forming process.
The one thing I am sure that we would have to avoid . If high pressures are used the carbon side would need some kind of seal . I think the semi molten iron would seal the iron side. (There would always be some semi molten iron between the melted and unmelted parts
If the melted iron would seep along the carbon rod it would short the whole thing out.
Quote
you are very good, that system will allow to make many experiences with many type of rods, and with only few hundreds of cristallized layer
all this theory is base on the statement from the electrinium that is an easy way to do an electrinium with steel, we have to imagine what means : very easy
then if two rods does not work we will have to try with a little piece of steel (iron-carbon), as a complete compound to cristallize while putting high voltage
then anyone will be able to replicate such an easy way if we got a working device
I agree that steal could be tested ......maybe other combination's or metals too .
Any idea if aluminium could be matched with another metal ?
gary
Hi!
I saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.
*******
In patents online there is a patent that has some recipes to make batteries, the ingredients may be useful by solidifying them somehow. They are not radioactive.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4390605.html
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 23, 2008, 01:56:14 PM
Hi!
Found it: http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
It is in german though.
Jesus
Hi Jesus
i am pretty sure that this device has been studied in the Crystal Hutchison Cell topic, i remember the name so i may be wrong, if so there is many posts on that there, and much pictures
QuoteI saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.
heuuu that is wonderfull, thank you, a good clue to confirm the resonanceman idea, the butane torch will not be required anymore hahahah
Hi resonanceman, i know my english is not good enough, i will try to make it clear, to grow any crystal you have to dissolve something into some kind of liquid, in the steel (no liquid) we have to make it red hot to get a free move of the iron atoms and the carbon atoms, it's look like as if they can turn (rotate) on themselves in any direction
from my point of view to cristallize steel we do not need a constant pressure, just a good pressure to melt and match them together, then the pressure must be release for the cooling time, the flow of current will make iron atoms and carbon atoms rotate in the right way, then the cooling let them stay in their position
the two atoms must come near together than in normal cooling process (high voltage), that is creating an overdensity compound among an universe in an equilibrium
so the atoms of iron and the atoms of carbon will get more dense than separatly
so it is not a normal crystallization !! the high voltage will push the 2 atoms much near than it is possible in a normal crystallization
if we let red hot steel cristallize without high voltage, it will crystallize as well, not in the same crystalline structure
Hey Jesus !
thank you for the big pdf file, while seraching for the word '' pyramid '' in it i found the complete Flavio Thomas Tragower plan ! from 2005 ! before the dinsinformation had begin, so it is possible that this file has very specific details on the Thomas's pyramid !!
i hope Nitinnu to see that, shall i try to find the right page among the 1795 pages ! and take it out there to put it in the Thomas's topic, i will read it
i feel that is really good
Hi resonanceman
what about alluminium ?
from electrinium.pdf
QuoteTo produce Electrinium Compound two diverse elements must be united and become a compound
which will be of one body, carrying both the positive and the nega t ive forces. The atom that carries
the positive electrical force will be a small atom, of great density and weight. The atom that carries
the negative force would be a larger atom of sparse density and light weight. The only difference
between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical
charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and
their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron,
the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then
the Iron would be the positive.
We have learned in the preceding chapters that Nature produces the
flow of electrical current by the expansion or contraction of the atoms and molecules. A mass of
atoms or molecules that are expanded above normal size becomes a mass of lesser force surrounded
by a mass of greater force. A mass of molecules when compressed to a smaller size becomes a
mass of greater force surrounded by a mass of lesser force. Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
Most of the compounds on Earth are of this nature but the only ones that could be considered
Electrinium Compound would be ones that have the physical properties of allowing them to be
incorporated within a very hard body of good conductivity and aligned in a series electrically. Fo r
instance, wa t e r, H20, is a compound molecule and there is eight times difference in size and weight
in the atoms from which it is produced, but there is no way it could be tightly encased within an
extremely hard body of good conductivity and still be aligned in a series electrically. There are ove r
one hundred elements of the Earth and in time many combinations will be formed and bodies found
for them, but at this time only a few can be considered. One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord. The great violence of some chemical
r e a c t i o n s is really the electrical reaction caused by the vibrations in great discord.
All the elements and the process of manufacture to make an Electrinium Unit must be selected
at one time because each factor is so closely related to all others and must match perfectly to
obtain a working unit.
All of the elements must have a harmonious life vibration. The vibrations
of the positive and negative elements must, when compounded, yield a Compound that will be in
harmony with the life vibrations of the material selected for the body of the Unit. The expansion
contraction factors must be near enough to each other that in the finished Electrinium Unit the
Electrinium molecules are tightly encased. If, in the cooling process, the Electrinium Molecules
contract more than the unit body material leaving the Electrinium molecules loosely held, the
compound must be discarded. In a finished successful unit the Compound molecules will be held
within the Unit like in a straight-jacket. The Unit will be of an extreme hardness and of good to
excellent conductivity. A Unit of poor conductivity will heat and destroy itself.
Quote from: Drannom on September 24, 2008, 06:23:38 AM
Hi resonanceman
what about alluminium ?
from electrinium.pdf
Drannon
I read your quote 2 times I didn't see anything directly relating to aluminum.
One thing it brought up that indirectly applies to aluminum is thermal expansion .
Aluminum has a fairly high expansion rate.
If it is desired to use 2 metals with very different expansion factors it may be possible to use a "bundle " of wires or whiskers if the metal with the higher melting point.
The greater the difference in expansion factor the smaller the wires would have to be.
I remember reading about a lab that grew whiskers from many kinds of metals . I am pretty sure that they would be in crystal form . I didn't bookmark it because at the time I couldn't imagine any use for metal whiskers
Does anyone know if both metals have to be in crystal form? It would be much easier if the higher temp metal didn't have to be a crystal .
To me this seems to be important
Quote
One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord.
Any idea about how to be sure that the different metals are in harmany?
gary
Howdy Y'all,
Here is an idea. Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium? Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder. Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together. This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery. The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side. Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 12:23:48 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Here is an idea. Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium? Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder. Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together. This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery. The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side. Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
It might be possible ...........but it wouldn't be as easy as you described.
If simply spot welding dissimilar metals sometimes made electinium I would think that it would have been noticed . I would expect something like the spot weld corroding at a different rate than the base metals .
I would think that a HV / LV thing like in the water arc thread might work .
The HV could form the weld then the LV would delay the cooling long enough for enough crystals to form .
Something I learned reading about nuclear resonance imaging is that each molecule responds to a magnetic field at its own unique speed. It seems to me that the speed of the molecules realigning themselves to the voltage would have to be taken into account .
If it could be made to work a production line of small cells would relatively be easy to make .
gary
Howdy Resonanceman,
Like you and Drannom were discussing earlier this can be proven with a single junction. The idea of using a high current pulse to make the bond then low current to allow crystals to form while slowing the cooling of the bond seems valid. I think we need to keep Mr. Summera's document in mind. It seems to be the gospel on this topic. The crystal is formed with the silicon mixture. This is why we were going to make a molten mixture, then start the crystallization process with a silicon seed. The crystal is formed first and then the crystal is later reheated to align the Electrinium. I don't think two dissimilar metals are going to form a crystal by themselves. It seems to me that in order to form metal crystals it would require a high temperature annealing process. Then again I am only an amateur metallurgist, and mainly work with soft metals like lead, tin, silver and copper. I know a little about iron. When iron is first refined it is called pig iron, very soft and ductile. The more you heat it and process it the harder it gets, and ultimately you wind up with crystallized iron which is superhard and brittle but it takes a lot of heat to get to the crystallized point...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!
I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this
The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
Hi!
It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!
I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this
The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 01:38:14 PM
Hi!
It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!
I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this
The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
My first impression when I looked at the picture of the battery is " that is the ugliest battery I have ever seen . "
The last sentence on that link is impressive .
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We have observed that these units decline in power during the first few weeks and months, but after a while they stabilize and do not run down completely. Even continuing dead shorts over several years (4-years is longest test) can not kill these units.
Maybe ugly is good
;D
gary
The Electrinium document is so obviously a hoax with all the talk of aliens and Tesla.
Points of fact:
1. "Arthur P. Summera" exists only in this document. No trace of him in the real world. Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). Whoever wrote it had a good knowledge of the OU/UFO scene, and may be even someone trying to restart this cult.
Double post deleted.
Howdy WizardofMars,
Well, if it is not our resident debunker out to spoil another good theory. I guess you didn't even read the document. You apparently do not see the value of building a battery on a molecular level in a rigid container which allows the catalysts to remain aligned without using electrolytes to hasten a reaction. This document makes perfect sense to me. I have no doubt that there is a workable product in here.
WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 01:36:22 PM
It seems to me that in order to form metal crystals it would require a high temperature annealing process.
I agree .
I tried to cover this in my plan by maintaining the junction in a molten form for a few minutes then cooling it very slowly . I was thinking of a couple hours. ( using 1/4 inch electrodes )
My theory is that the current it takes to melt the metal will be enough to align the molecules to the best configuation for current flow .
Then the current would be reduced very slowly .
I am counting on the metal getting solid faster than the current looses the ability to hold the molecules in line.
I am not assuming that this would make a " standard " crystal .
I am not sure that an optimum crystal lattice would create maximum current
I am assuming that the current through the cell at what you have called activation is the key .
With my plan activation is directly connected to initial forming of the junction.
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 02:32:51 PM
Howdy WizardofMars,
Well, if it is not our resident debunker out to spoil another good theory. I guess you didn't even read the document. You apparently do not see the value of building a battery on a molecular level in a rigid container which allows the catalysts to remain aligned without using electrolytes to hasten a reaction. This document makes perfect sense to me. I have no doubt that there is a workable product in here.
WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...
Blessed Be...
HHhhhhhmmmm
Z Monkkey
I can understand it when people talk to themselves
I can even understand it when a person occasionally argues with himself.
I can't understand why anyone would want to talk to someone that is here only to dump shit on other peoples ideas.
:D
gary
Can some of you guys who kind of understand this process explain in your own words the chemistry behind this? I know some would be glad to do this, it'll make spreading the message easier if more people understand it exactly. Try to explain as if you would to to you 10 year old kid.
Hi!
There is a process done before you use stainless steel plates in an electrolyzer. The person piles all the plates one over the other and then pass a quick shock of current through the plates. This aligns the molecules inside the plates and the plates perform better.
The same thing I think do applies to the junction of the two metals. When you join them by a chock of electricity the molecules become aligned with the direction of current automatically. I could be wrong though.
Jesus
Quote from: broli on September 24, 2008, 03:09:05 PM
Can some of you guys who kind of understand this process explain in your own words the chemistry behind this? I know some would be glad to do this, it'll make spreading the message easier if more people understand it exactly. Try to explain as if you would to to you 10 year old kid.
Broli
I would be happy to if I could .
I do alot of things kind of backwards from most people.
I try to live what I would call spirit first.
I really don't understand.
To be honest I have only read the first half of the PDF on the first post .
To state what I am doing here in a way that an average 10 year old could understand .
It looks to me like my guardian angels want me to be here.
I read a little here and an image or concept pops into my mind.
I understand these images and concepts to be from my higher self.
A new age person would say I am channeling this technology .
Now .......the obvious question is ......now that I have explained how I am getting this information do I think anyone should look at this information differently than before ?
No. .......... It should be taken only as ideas.
Even though I believe that it comes from my higher self, it has to come THROUGH me.
So there is MUCH room for error.
gary
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 03:39:43 PM
Hi!
There is a process done before you use stainless steel plates in an electrolyzer. The person piles all the plates one over the other and then pass a quick shock of current through the plates. This aligns the molecules inside the plates and the plates perform better.
The same thing I think do applies to the junction of the two metals. When you join them by a chock of electricity the molecules become aligned with the direction of current automatically. I could be wrong though.
Jesus
Jesus
I am pretty sure that more heat is needed.
As I understand it the metal molecules have to actually move into the right alignment.
Then as the metal cools ( with current flowing through it ) the molecules get trapped in the configuration set up by the current .
One big quick jolt of electricity like in a spot welder does melt the metal a little. ......but I don't think that it heats it enough to allow enough movement of the molecules .
A spot welder would only heat the metal enough to get it into a plastic state . it doesn't have to be fully molten to bond together well .
I think that we have to actually get the metal fully melted
gary
Howdy Brodi,
Well, the two elements (iron and silver) represent a duality in nature, like man and woman. They have opposite charges (sexes). When they join together the duality is represented in one unit, one entity containing a positive and negative charge, or a male and a female polarity, a marriage of atomic elements. One side of this marriage is aggressive (emitter) and the other side is receptive (collector). This creates a polarized single unit which contains both positive and negative charges.
These molecular units form little microscopic batteries. When we organize these little microscopic batteries into a tidy line they add their voltages up like stacking a bunch of regular batteries. When we parallel a bunch of the tidy little lines of the little microscopic batteries they add their amperage up. Together when connected in series parallel these little microscopic batteries can multiply their force so that when you make a big battery out of lots of the little microscopic batteries it is very powerful. So powerful that a crystal only an inch long could be several thousand volts.
But, the most interesting part about this unique battery is that it has a rigid structure that makes it permanent. This means that it doesn't wear out. The electrolyte, or the catalyst, in a normal battery gets used up and makes the battery go dead In an Electrinium battery there is no electrolyte inside the little microscopic batteries. With nothing to wear down and be expended by the battery there is nothing to make it fail, ever...
Blessed Be...
So the crystal serves as a frame work holding the charged elements in place? Is the following graphic the correct way to illustrate it then...
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fziosproject.com%2FNJ%2Feletriniumbat.PNG&hash=51a8f0b81e910ca8f50c57b074b1e3c25112e51f)
What I don't understand how the flow of electrical current is taking place then.
Howdy Broli,
I like your illustration. It's not quite complete. You need to complete the circuit. There should be a resistive pathway between the emiter and the collector of the Electrinium battery. The electrons will flow out of the emitter (negative) side of the battery, through the resistive load and back into the collector (positive) side of the battery. Then your loop is complete. Current can flow and accomplish work...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
Gary
I think you are right.
Jesus
Z I never correctly understood the concept of electric current, it never and still doesn't make sense to me. But if you have such battery then I assume the crystal also acts as an insulator not allowing any electrons to escape to the neighbors or else they'd become neutral. So isn't this then just a permanent capacitor, that is if you connect a wire between both terminals you'd have an electric field in the wire but no current flow.
Quote from: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 11:49:32 AM
Any idea about how to be sure that the different metals are in harmany?
gary
Second sentence chaper 7 of the PDF
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The wavelength of each
atom is equal to the time it takes one electron to travel its circumference. The atoms of each element
h ave different wavelengths because the atoms of each element have a different size. These va r i o u s
wavelengths control and produce life as we know it, in a manner very much like producing music.
Each atom is tuned to a certain pitch and will respond when a certain vibration is played.
Now I understand what he means be the atoms being in harmany .
Now I just have to figure out how to use the knowledge.
gary
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Each atom is tuned to a certain pitch and will respond when a certain vibration is played.
Could this mean the electrinium pairs go into resonance?
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on September 25, 2008, 01:11:43 AM
Could this mean the electrinium pairs go into resonance?
From the 2nd paragraph chaper 7
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The wavelength of each molecule will be a combination wavelength composed of
the wavelengths of each atom within the molecule. From the musical standpoint it would not
be a single tone but would be heard as a chord,
It looks like that is what it means
gary
Last paragraph chapter 7
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Then man was placed upon the Earth with a conscience of his own that put him in direct contact
with the Director, but he was also given a mind of his own and the right of choice. As long as he
accepted the Central Sun as leader and director the music was in perfect harmony.
Z Monkey
This guy didn't get this information from any textbook.
He has been talking to his central sun.
:)
gary
Howdy Y'all,
Broli, there is a current flow through from the emitter to the collector through the resistive conductor. The current flow generates a magnetic field not an electric field. Electrinium is a permanent battery or current source. A capacitor is a temporary current storage tank, while the Electrinium is rectifying Super Light and converting it to electric current in the same way a permanent magnet converts Super Light into magnetic current (magnetic flux).
Resonanceman, yes, without the Central Sun there would be no life here. According to Mr. Summera the energy from the Central Sun 'inflates" and energizes all matter in the entire galaxy. I have been conversing with Drannom about this for a long time. You can read back through my posts to find information on Super Light. The Central Sun provides Super Light which energizes all matter within the galaxy. Super Light is "dark" energy, which means it is above our perceptual spectrum. It is the reason for magnetism and electricity, as well as life. Our Solar Sun converts Super Light in to light, heat, gravity, and electromagnetic radiation. The elemental mass of the Earth also converts Super Light into other usable energetic phenomena, including gravity. The Electrinium battery is rectifying Super Light into electric current. The source of Super Light is infinite so this is why an Electrinium battery can be a permanent battery. It is not violating the laws of physics, just utilizing information that was not known before. The Electrinium battery rectifies Super Light into electric current in the same way that a permanent magnet rectifies Super Light into magnetic flux. Whether the source of this information is aliens or divine revelation is irrelevant it is supremely profound nonetheless. Whoever Mr. Summera really is may never be known. This document was published pseudo anonymously because, as WizardofMars pointed out, the address on the document is not real, and Aurthur Summera is a ghost or a pen name. But this information resonates within my soul. I can see the mechanics of the theories working in my mind as I read the document. It makes perfect sense. Also when you understand the theories of the Central Sun and Super Light this is real technology which already exists, yet not in this form yet...
Blessed Be...
in fact i have talked about super light in 5 topics, just look at all my posts to find all my views on that
for example : all black holes are votexes, and the Central Sun give power to them no matter the distance from the center of the universe, cause the Central Sun is not at the center of the universe and give power to all black holes hyperdimensionnally from the celestial plan
for example all electricity is an unbalance in the eather, if you charge a serie of caps and put current at both ends, all the caps in the middle will charge up as well !, so electricity is much more like an eatheric pressure than electrons
is see that in a simple picture where all universes are only vibrating eather receiving constantly the Super Light through their black holes
it means that there is a super super light over the super light, and that super super light is from the Central Sun
and black holes convert the super super light in super light, and our solar sun convert the super light in normal light
breaking the equilibrium in the eather will create a flow of electricity, electrinium device is continually breaking equilibrium by a compressed zone with two atoms or two molecules harmonically tune to convert super light in electricity
As intriguing as the theory sounds. I'm still trying to understand the basic principle. Z, I don't really get what you said since you seemed to have just slapped "Super Light".in there. But if you have charged particles lined up like that, but not allow them to exchange any electrons....then where is the flow of electrons coming from.
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks for the explanation Drannom.
Broli, do you understand diode junctions? You can look at the Electrinium molecules like diode junctions. The polarity of the molecule allows a voltage across the molecule and the electrons (or ether pressure) is being forced in one direction only. According to the Electrinium document this voltage is 7 Volts across 1 molecule. So you can see when you line up a bunch of these molecule the voltages increase fast. The trade off for the high voltage is current, so there is a relatively feeble current. This is the reason that we have to parallel the Electrinium crystals to get appreciable power.
The current that is being produced within the Electrinium Battery is supplied by Super Light. If our Electrinium Battery is represented as a string of diode junctions then it can be viewed as a radio receiver of sorts. The Central Sun is "transmitting" Super Light and the Electrinium Battery is the "receiver" where the Super Light is "received" rectified and converted into electric current. You will need to review the theory of the Central Sun and Super Light. This theory is covered in the Electrinium.pdf document in the first post of this thread. Also look at this link...
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html
Maybe this can help you to get a handle on Super Light...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
We are trying to make an electrinium battery. To get the electrinium battery, we need to form some cristals. There is this process that may be useful to understand the crystals we need. May be we can grow the crystals instead of getting them with a metal fusion.
Kayex Silicon Crystal Growing Process
http://www.kayex.com/silicon-crystal-growing.asp
Jesus
Howdy Nievesoliveras,
I believe this is where we started...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
The similitude of the electrinium battery with the hutchison battery is tremendous.
One guy did this, and got an almost permanent battery:
"Get a pound of MAP.
MAP stands for "Monoammonium Phosphate". It is a piezoelectric fertilyzer material.
Place some MAP in 2 layers of coffee filters and tie it off.
Put that into a pot of distilled water and boil it till water is well saturated with MAP.
Pour the liquid into a small SS pan (12cm x 14cm) and evaporate it with a convection oven till a thin coating of MAP crystals is left.
Continue heating it on the stove till the MAP melts and then place aluminum foil on top.
The SS pan is the positive. The aluminum foil is the negative.
Zap it with about 10kV from a flyback transformer.
Let it shorted out for a few days with a 10k resistor.
You should get over 600 mv every time you check it and a steady 60ua of current.
Them try shorting it with 1k resistor. It should give 600ua at 0.6v.
If you get less than that, then that is the maximum.
Shorting it will increase the output instead of decreasing it. Measure without the resistor.
The ideal dimensions of the ss should be (3.5in L x 2in W)."
This is just fuel for the thought of you good thinkers and experimenters.
Jesus
Hi!
Zmonkey
I did not know. I will keep looking for some answers though.
Jesus
I finally finished reading the Electtinium PDF
One thing that has got me wondering is why he chose to explain how to make the silicon based version.
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The body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body. All that remains to be done is to shape the body,
harden it and organize the electrical forces in a series.
If units with steal bodies would be easy to make why not explain how it is done ?
Making your own custom single crystal silicone structure is not easy by any means .
because of what he said about the high voltages I would think that we would have to make the junction very thin .
I can see how it might work using carbon / iron. but gold / iron has me stumped.
He says that the compound becomes the body . So far I am thinking that the way to do it is to put a little gold /steal compound between 2 plates and heat them up enough to fuse them together.
I am not sure if one of the plates should be gold plated.
He talks about using Sodium Cyanide to make the electrolyte. Would other electrolytes work ?
If I remember right if you handle Sodium Cyanide wrong you can find yourself in your own self made gas chamber ..
gary
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
Hi!
We are trying to make an electrinium battery. To get the electrinium battery, we need to form some cristals. There is this process that may be useful to understand the crystals we need. May be we can grow the crystals instead of getting them with a metal fusion.
Kayex Silicon Crystal Growing Process
http://www.kayex.com/silicon-crystal-growing.asp
Jesus
Jesus
Z Monkey already had a link to that machine back on reply 15 .
Are you volunteering to buy one so we can get started?
Z monkey said they only cost about $500k
;D
gary
Hi!
500k is too expensive for me. I am still using win98. That means that I have no money to spend.
But in the meantime we gather the money or the knowledge, what about making one of the earth batteries that are well explained in this pdf: Free_Energy_From_The_Earth_Plans http://www.mediafire.com/?fyxwwy2tqnb
I do expect that you enjoy it while we find an answer for the elctrinium battery!
Jesus
Hi resonanceman
i must admit that you have understand the electrinium better than me
it seems that you are right, the simplest method is not with iron-carbon only ! it needs gold or platinium too !
so it will not be much more difficult to do, just more expensive hahaha
the reason why the simplest method is not explained is the same reason for all masters to give clue to the way we have to work on,
it means that if you can understand the complicated method with iron-silver then it will be a very easy way to do it with iron-carbon and gold, so instead of giving the simple method we have to understand all the electrinium to figure out what it is this very easy way he talked about
and you resonanceman are the first to cross that path, and we will all go to that path with you soon
we will make a micro crystal with those steel-gold or steel-platinium and proove that electrinium has been writting by a real master
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 26, 2008, 08:57:20 AM
Hi!
what about making one of the earth batteries that are well explained in this pdf: Free_Energy_From_The_Earth_Plans http://www.mediafire.com/?fyxwwy2tqnb
Jesus
Jesus
I have had that PDF for at least a few years.
If you back out one level to Other new battery systems you will see topics about quite a few of the batterys in that PDF
After looking into alot of different kinds of batterys I am no longer interested in the standard galvanic effect.
The Electinium battery is a whole different kind of thing.
It is a completely different approach . As it said in the Electinium PDF we would not have learned to make magnets if we had not discovered lodestone. That makes sense to me.
Making a battery that works like a magnet is worth some thought.
I am looking for ways to prove the concept without spending tons of money .
gary
Howdy Resonanceman,
Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust? Imagine if you will for a moment that there are people on the Earth who steal all that they can. They spend their entire lives stealing from good people who live honest lives. This would be very bad karma for the people who have been stealing, and the people who have been stolen from would be owed something, right? Well, St. Germain's trust is that money. The financial meltdown that we are seeing now is the people who have been stealing reaping their bad karma. What is next? The people who have been stolen from get their money back. Well it is not as straight forward as that but I think you get the idea. The meek, the good people who follow GODs laws, will indeed inherit the Earth. This means the wealth of the Kingdom of GOD will be given to them. You don't know it yet, but you are a very wealthy man. You followed GODs laws, and maintained a karmically sound life, and you have earned a rightful place in the Kingdom of GOD. You will be able to do anything your heart desires, including developing an Electrinium Battery...
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/st_germain_on_nesara_and_money.htm
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Howdy Resonanceman,
Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust? Imagine if you will for a moment that there are people on the Earth who steal all that they can. They spend their entire lives stealing from good people who live honest lives. This would be very bad karma for the people who have been stealing, and the people who have been stolen from would be owed something, right? Well, St. Germain's trust is that money. The financial meltdown that we are seeing now is the people who have been stealing reaping their bad karma. What is next? The people who have been stolen from get their money back. Well it is not as straight forward as that but I think you get the idea. The meek, the good people who follow GODs laws, will indeed inherit the Earth.
Z Monkey
I read about a stash of gold and jewels in Unveled Mysterys To be honest it didn't make alot of sense to me. St Germain can precipitate any riches he wants. Why store them ?
I have heard about Nesara ..........for some reason I have avoided the subject for the most part.
I will take a look at that link a little later.
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This means the wealth of the Kingdom of GOD will be given to them. You don't know it yet, but you are a very wealthy man. You followed GODs laws, and maintained a karmically sound life, and you have earned a rightful place in the Kingdom of GOD. You will be able to do anything your heart desires, including developing an Electrinium Battery...
I was having a little trouble getting into the right focus today .
These words of yours were exactly what I needed at exactly the right time
Thanks
:)
gary
I often tend solve problems kind of backwards from how other people approach them .
We need Electrinium compound held tightly in place to make a battery
Does that mean that we need to make the compound first?
As Z Monkey pointed out in a previous post .......a crystal creates its own organization .
We would need a conductive base with the right lattice structure .
We could then electroplate 1 layer of the first metal in our compound
We would then plate one layer of the second metal on top of the first .
I am not sure how to make the connections on top of the layers .
So far my best guess is to make a second unit with the 2 metals reversed. then flip it upside down and clamp them together.
A 2 layer 14 V battery .........if it works
Of course this sounds easy .........but each step would have to be perfect
The base would have to have a pretty much perfect lattice structure.
Plating unevenly, to much or to little would cause a failure.
gary
Hi!
In the meantime I find a means for an electrinium, I have been busy finding other different ways to get free energy or OU. So I took the Tesla's switch and disected it to understand it better and this is the result. (Remember my goal is to get at least a 1.5v electrinium battery, or at least one that last a couple of weeks of continuous work.)
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 26, 2008, 02:02:35 PM
Hi!
In the meantime I find a means for an electrinium, I have been busy finding other different ways to get free energy or OU. So I took the Tesla's switch and disected it to understand it better and this is the result. (Remember my goal is to get at least a 1.5v electrinium battery, or at least one that last a couple of weeks of continuous work.)
Jesus
I am not sure what you are trying to do with the Tesla stitch
Did you notice that the negative terminals on the batterys have a diode blocking them in the top picture ?
I have an idea for a Tesla switch type of circuit but it is all theory
I don't have the money for the parts and equipment to build it right now .
gary
Howdy Y'all,
I just submitted the Electrinium Battery to Project 10100.
Project 10100 Thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5649.0/topicseen.html
Google is sponsoring this and they are putting up $10M for the best idea to improve the planet. I figure that Electrinium is good for that and maybe we can get some research bucks off of it...
Blessed Be...
Jesus why are you overloading us with all your links ?
it is preferable to start a new topic or just go to the right topic
here we are suppose to learn about electrinium
why are you trying to move us in others directions ?
are you too much positive ?
did you know that most of us have already see Tesla Switch ?
there are many topics on tesla switch
yes i have drink some red wine and see you later
Hi!
I am really sorry! It will not happen again.
Jesus
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Howdy Resonanceman,
Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust? .......
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/st_germain_on_nesara_and_money.htm
Wow. You believe in NESARA? I've always wanted to meet someone who did. That explains a lot!
For those unfamiliar with the NESARA conspiracy theory -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory
There is also a great documentary on NESARA believer groups in Utah called 'Waiting For NESARA' which will blow your mind.
Quote from: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 02:32:51 PM
WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...
Nice ad hominem attack Try answering the questions I posed.
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?
good Jesus
i am happy that you have so much energy to try to show us how much you learn and what you have found, so you are just excited with positive mind, good
the first time i have read electrinium i have to take my english dictionnary many times, i recognize somehow that someone writing in a so beautifull way (how the energy is circulating in the universe) must be a master, all those explanations correlate with my french reasearch, all i knew it was only a master to tells things in this way
the second time i read it, i focus on the iron-silver and i knew that it was to heavy for me to do such cristallization, only a team can do that silver-iron electrinium, and i wish that it will happen
the third time i read it, i focus only on the simple steel easy way to do an electrinium, if he says that it's easy then it must be easy, cause i believe in all explanations in electrinium, i found that genious
i was not good in english, and i thought that it was only with steel
resonanceman open my eyes, now i am much better in english, and i realise my mistake, steel must be cristallize with platinium or gold !
so i will read the electrinium again ! i might be able to see the whole picture now
now i imagine to melt steel and platinium (heu how find platinium in my house ? how can i recognize what it is platinium or not) in a crucible with a butane torch, then put that at red hot liquid state and mix it to homogenise the steel and the platinium together
then let cristallize a little piece of this mixture while putting a lot of volts, 1/10 milimeter, like a super diode
i know, for example KCl, can cristallize in more than 10 different forms
so the steel-platinium mixture will cristallize differently while putting high volts in it
this is what was in my mind, i hope it will help
see you
hello wizardofmars
my theory is that it is possible that Arthur P. Summera has been erase, eliminated, by the world conspiracy
he possibly let a copy of electrinium at one of his friend in case something happen to him
in fact many inventors has been killed, even Tesla was near to be forget, thanks to internet, he was erase from hystory books !!
wizardofmars, keep your mind open, Illuminatis were very powerfull to cut the wings of some slave chickens trying to step over the gate
so, it is possible that Arthur P. Summera had make electrinium for 50 years as he state
Illuminatis can erase totally someone from the hystory
Quote from: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
i know, for example KCl, can cristallize in more than 10 different forms
so the steel-platinium mixture will cristallize differently while putting high volts in it
Jesus
It might be possible to use powered steal and platinum or gold.
maybe the best way for now would be to make a battery like the PDF talked about and wait for enough electrinium compound to form . that way you know that they are in exactly the right proportions.
It is good to know that other materials crystallize differently with voltage applied .
I am pretty sure that if it can be done this way hitting it with the right voltage for the right amoun of time is the key .
I keep thinking that if Iron is in one of the metals then a magnetic field probably couldn't hurt .
Anything that helps hold the molecules in alignment until they are cool would help .
gary
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
Nice ad hominem attack Try answering the questions I posed.
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?
Howdy WizardofMars,
Your questions are irrelevant. Who wrote it and where it came from is totally irrelevant. What matters is the content. Which you apparently have not read. I am not going to make an effort to argue with you since I already know the value of the content. Don't bother us anymore...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
Gary
One of my projects is trying to use a tesla switch as a power supply for a generator. My main project is to build an electrinium battery. I will have to reread the document a couple of times to fully grasp its contents and the idea anew.
Jesus
Hi!
Drannom
There is a torch called brown gas torch that was shown in youtube. That torch in the video was so good that it fused metal and concrete. The brown gas is made with hho or hydrolisis of water.
If we had the brown gas torch and the metals it would be very easy to fuse one to the other according to the brown gas video. Unfortunately I dont have the link for it, but it can be get by ssearching for "Brown gas" in youtube.
Jesus
Quote from: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
my theory is that it is possible that Arthur P. Summera has been erase, eliminated, by the world conspiracy
...
in fact many inventors has been killed, even Tesla was near to be forget, thanks to internet, he was erase from hystory books !!
wizardofmars, keep your mind open, Illuminatis were very powerfull to cut the wings of some slave chickens trying to step over the gate
...
Illuminatis can erase totally someone from the hystory
So you believe the Illuminati are involved? Very interesting.
Can you substantiate your claim that Tesla was removed from history books prior to the Internet?
Did the Illuminati overlook the following books which are pre widespread Internet use (~1995 by my reckoning)? Would I be able to find these books in a library or would they have been seized by the Illuminati already?
* Anderson, Leland I., "Dr. Nikola Tesla (1856â€ââ,¬Å"1943)", 2d enl. ed., Minneapolis, Tesla Society. 1956. LCCN /L
* Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States.
* Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", 1981. ISBN .
* Childress, David H., "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla," 1993. ISBN
* Glenn, Jim, "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla," 1994. ISBN
* O'Neill, John Jacob,"Prodigal Genius," 1944. Paperback reprint 1994, ISBN .
* Ratzlaff, John and Lee Anderson, "Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography", Ragusan Press, Palo Alto, California, 1979, 237 pages.
* Tesla, Nikola, "My Inventions" Parts I through V published in the Electrical Experimenter monthly magazine from February through June, 1919. Part VI published October, 1919. Reprint edition with introductory notes by Ben Johnson, New York: Barnes and Noble,1982, ISBN; also online at "My Inventions", 1919. ISBN
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
Howdy WizardofMars,
Your questions are irrelevant. Who wrote it and where it came from is totally irrelevant. What matters is the content. Which you apparently have not read. I am not going to make an effort to argue with you since I already know the value of the content. Don't bother us anymore...
Are you going to ignore my question on NESARA?
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 05:33:39 PM
Wow. You believe in NESARA? I've always wanted to meet someone who did. That explains a lot!
For those unfamiliar with the NESARA conspiracy theory -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory
There is also a great documentary on NESARA believer groups in Utah called 'Waiting For NESARA' which will blow your mind.
Howdy WizardofMars,
You dump on everything else so I am not surprised that you would dump on NESARA also. Yes I believe in NESARA. I don't care what you think about it either....
Blessed Be...
G'day all,
@nievesoliveras: Have you had a look at the "crystal power cell by JH" thread. You may find it interesting.
Cheers
Ian
Hi
@Ian
Yes I have seen the JH batteries. But I have not been able to replicate them.
I dont have the correct procedure and formula.
Jesus
Hi guys,
Most of you feel like friends from other threads. No surprise here. ;)
I read all the way through so I wouldn't be duplicating any ideas, and at the very end Jesus mentioned what I wanted say most.
But I would like to expand it a little.
In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.
Earlier this summer, I enquired about purchasing a welder from one of those companies. Darn, they never replied.
So, I will be making a small thing that will look like the HHO bubblers for cars only with a welding tip. This will be easy. (I just need to clear some space from other things - crystal battery included!) ;D ;D
Gary, maybe you could make one there where you are.
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@ Drammon
My other thoughts have to do with your experience with Alum pyramids.
Maybe you could produce a bunch of seeds??
I think you should ask the group about Aluminum again. After all this Crystal Alum Pyramid is made from saturated aqueous solution of potassium aluminum sulphate - Alum- that precipitates by landing on an alum seed and continuing to grow.
And it is the vortex flow of the water solution that seems to do the magic.
Oh, yes, and the heat of a light bulb to keep more alum in solution.
I'd call this low budget and easy. I think this may be a really good place to start.
The other thought/question I have for you Drammon, is would you be able to devise a way to make silicon crystals using sodium silicate?
It is very thick so it would be harder than the water you use for alum.
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Zmonkey,
What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?
Nature forms these crystals all the time.
I can't think of a method nature uses to draw out a thread to make a crystal.
Do you know what is required as a minimum?
Nature does have a lot of force and heat from time to time, but this manufacturing process seems way too complicated. I wonder if it is really necessary for this? OR really I wonder what parts are the necessary parts?
I have more questions, but I want to actually read the whole electrinium pdf first.
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Oh one more thing,
I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!
thank you all,
jeanna
Quote from: jeanna on September 27, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.
Welcome jeanna
It is nice to see you here.
:)
About melting the electinium with HHO It might save energy and time .
But it might not .
As I said in a previous post most of my basic plan was " channeled"
I read a little and picked up images . I have to try to understand the images the best I can .
If you hit some materials with a high voltage it will create channels for sparks .
The channels are inside the material so you can't see the sparks . but you have in effect a multiple spark gap .
I am thinking that the 2 metals ( in the electinium compound ) should form similar channels if the current is high enough .
I am greatly oversimplifying it . I do think that it will form channels . but not hollow channels that a spark moves through.
The current will find the path of least resistance .
The Electinium compound should have almost equal resistance throughout . so the current should choose millions of small paths from molecule to molecule .
If the electrinium compound within those paths is melted and the current is lowered slow enough they should solidify with the molecules still in alignment.
I am now thinking that adding a non conductive powder might be a good idea. It would spread out the electrinium compound and FORCE the current into small streams
I just got an image about the non conductive powder .
The ratio of powder to electriium compound would be important.
There would be several times more powder than electrinium .
The channels would form where the current would find a low enough path through the entire junction.
Electrinium particles that were not in a low resistance path would in effect be wasted ...they would be held out of the circuit by the powder
I am thinking that higher current would create more channels .
I am thinking that the voltage applied and the ratio of non conductive powder to electinium compound would at least roughly set the final output voltage..
Another way to set the output voltage would be the thickness of the junction
Jeanna
if the channels are formed easily then melting the mix first might help .
I am still leaning toward my original plan because it would be easy to duplicate ............... or automate
The " crucible " for the process becomes the body of the battery.
The electrodes become the contacts .
Quote
I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!
I am not sure if electinium will do that ..........but the idea is interesting
I have found that when an idea keeps popping up in my head there is usually a reason for it .
gary
Hi!
I am glad that Jeanna joined us. I have seen her efforts in other threads. Specially Earth battery coils.
Welcome!!
Jesus
Thank you for the welcome Gary and Jesus,
I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?
I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)
The crystal battery folks have been shooting high voltage into the cells and getting interesting results.
Especially Ian. He has one or 2 that even grow in "power" over time. Interesting stuff. I have a wimhurst machine, but I haven't zapped any of my cells. My cells are all silicate based.
Anyway, I would like to know what you are thinking this electrinium is. I have been rolling the idea around all summer.
I have been thinking in terms of silicates, but in the earth galvanic battery I had the best result using spent carbon filter granules and a zinc probe. I was thinking I'd get them into a mix with zinc or a galvanized pipe etc...
I just read the part about the actual building of the electrinium cell. He says to be very careful (as zmonkey does) in making the crystal from silicates, then he has you reheat it I think 2 more times. I wonder what the effect on the charges would be if you just made the silicon crystal once and included the other ingredients in it?? and then put the charge with the resistor as it cools.
I really like the idea of the HHO as welding gas to melt the whole thing. If you can weld a rock with this stuff It is the perfect candidate IMHO to use to heat the silicates into a mass to make the.crystal - a portable alchemical furnace.
So, really my first steps will probably be HHO welder. And, I will keep watching this thread.
I love this kind of thinking, but I can't start for a couple of weeks!! ;D
thank you,
jeanna
OOPS Drannom, I apologize, I misspelled your name.
Quote from: jeanna on September 27, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
Zmonkey,
What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?
Nature forms these crystals all the time.
jeanna
Howdy Jeanna,
Most of the crystals you find in nature are silicon dioxide, an insulator (glass). The pretty quartz crystals you see everywhere are silicon dioxide. These are relatively easily formed, and don't need a perfect crystal form to be useful. But pure silicon crystals are hardly ever found in nature, when they are found they are never semiconductor quality crystals. You can find pure silicon in nature, albeit rarely. In order for the silicon to be useful in electronics in needs to be a very high quality crystal which is totally free from cracks. A crack breaks the lines of continuity and the conductor pathways are broken, you have open wires, doesn't conduct. To make the silicon crystal form of the Electrinium Battery extreme care must be taken in the fabrication of the Electrinium Crystals but once they are in their final manufactured form they will be a lot more resilient because of the batteries packaging. The crystal form is subject to cracking when it is being fabricated, but when it cooled and packaged it is hard as a rock, literally. I still think the grown crystal form of the Electrinium Battery is going to work the best. The problem is funding it, something I am working on...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
I built an HHO hydrolizer with pieces of two stainless steel cups I had. The bottle to enclose the cell was plastic and the charger I used to put it to work had a steady 10A of current. I could not get a fluent stream of HHO gas and the bottle melted from the heat generated.
I bought a PWM and used it with another charger at 2A 12V and the Hydrolizer worked a little bit and one capacitor of it blew with a very big sound covering me with pieces of paper and scaring the hell out of me. Now I am stopped.
Jesus
@ zmonkey,
thanks. That is a great answer.
I may try the HHO thing just to see, anyway. I saw in a Yull Brown/HHO movie online somewhere, where he changes rocks with the welder and makes the surface get shiny and hard. Since I want it to work, I will see if I can get somewhere on it.
@ Jesus, I think there are lots of threads here at OU on HHO where the participants can help with the build. ( For instance, too much electrolyte makes too much Amperage and too much heat. etc.)
I only mention the HHO welder because I think it is a small and cheap way to possibly achieve this crucible effect with the Silicon and make a crystal.
Thank you,
jeanna
Quote from: jeanna on September 28, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?
I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)
Jeanna
Yes it is the sludge left behind after a battery has been used for a while.
Quote
Chapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery
and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery
need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets
of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side. We will assemble them in a standard
battery form using separators cut to size from and old battery. A five inch square glass refrigerator
jar could be the case. We can compound our electrolyte from distilled water and Sodium Cyanide,
compounded to a density to provide a circuit of conductivity of two and a half volts resistance
reading on the voltmeter mounted within the circuit. This battery can be fabricated very easily at
a very low cost. A few hours of use will produce enough Electrinium Compound to make one or
more Units.
I don't remember ever seeing a silver iron battery .....
He talks about how important harmony is in chapter 9 but the only electinium compounds he mentions in the PDF are gold silver and platinum each pared with iron
gary
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...
I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).
I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...
is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 08:01:07 PM
So you believe the Illuminati are involved? Very interesting.
Can you substantiate your claim that Tesla was removed from history books prior to the Internet?
Did the Illuminati overlook the following books which are pre widespread Internet use (~1995 by my reckoning)? Would I be able to find these books in a library or would they have been seized by the Illuminati already?
* Anderson, Leland I., "Dr. Nikola Tesla (1856â€ââ,¬Å"1943)", 2d enl. ed., Minneapolis, Tesla Society. 1956. LCCN /L
* Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States.
* Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", 1981. ISBN .
* Childress, David H., "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla," 1993. ISBN
* Glenn, Jim, "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla," 1994. ISBN
* O'Neill, John Jacob,"Prodigal Genius," 1944. Paperback reprint 1994, ISBN .
* Ratzlaff, John and Lee Anderson, "Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography", Ragusan Press, Palo Alto, California, 1979, 237 pages.
* Tesla, Nikola, "My Inventions" Parts I through V published in the Electrical Experimenter monthly magazine from February through June, 1919. Part VI published October, 1919. Reprint edition with introductory notes by Ben Johnson, New York: Barnes and Noble,1982, ISBN; also online at "My Inventions", 1919. ISBN
yes you are right, Tesla was not erased, i read somewhere that Marcony is claiming to be the inventor of radio waves communication in some old hhistory book, in fact it was Tesla !, then many brevet patented from Tesla were used and no one mention that is coming from Tesla, Tesla's invention has been used illegaly, this is what i think and i may be wrong, i read that somewhere
@all
i am about to read the chapiter 9 and it is more wonderfull than ever cause i have a better understanding in english now, i have learned up to now what is the meaning of gravity from electrinium and it is different that the theory in the Super Light link, so which one is the real one gravity theory, my brain will brainstorm on it for a while
@Jesus yes i know all about Brown Gas, one of my friend have it ! but for my purpose i just want to get two metals heat up to a liquid state
anyway i have to finish to reread the electrinium again, hahaha
i am happy to see resonanceman read it cautionnally too
i will come back in few days with my new concept of the steel electrinium
now we have 3 type of electrinium to study, with iron-carbon, with iron-silver, and thanks resonanceman we have a third kind with old silver-iron battery
keep going studying
Quote from: hypersoniq on September 28, 2008, 04:55:23 PM
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...
I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).
I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...
is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?
hypersoniq
I think it would be possible ..........but I am no expert .
I tried to explain my ideas about it back on reply 105.
gary
Quote from: hypersoniq on September 28, 2008, 04:55:23 PM
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...
I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).
I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...
is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?
well, i do not know, i will let you know if i brainstorms something on that, i can make alum growing between 2 plates, the distance between the 2 plates could be as less as half of a milimeter, and the crystal will spread between them from a little hole at the center on one of those plates
for your question, yess, anything that i can dissolve i will be able to coagulate it again in a cristallization process, so i imagine that i can dissolve in sulfuric acid some metals ?? may be, and then crystallize them together, if i dissolve 2 metals in acid then there will be one of those metal cristallizing before the other one
so, it will be only one metal solve in acid, then i shall try to crystallize this metal, the other metal will be not solvable in acid and this is a problem, and much more complicated to put 10 000 volts on the crystal while growing
i will not go to that way until i got a flash to solve those problems
@ Jeanna
QuoteThe other thought/question I have for you Drammon, is would you be able to devise a way to make silicon crystals using sodium silicate?
It is very thick so it would be harder than the water you use for alum.
i do not know
it will work if we can solve it in an acid or whatever, and it will work if it is transparent, cause i need to see what happen while the crystal is growing
in electrinium we have to put a lot of volts while growing the crystal, so i will not look to that way until i got another flash to solve those problems
Hi!
@all
Thank you for the counsel!
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 28, 2008, 06:34:35 PM
Hi!
@all
Thank you for the counsel!
Jesus
hey jesus, finally there is many electrinium compound ! with silicon or germanian, from silver-iron and iron with many others one
i have finish chap 9 and i have understand everythings up to now, i am excited to try understanding to the end
and Jesus i am very happy that you take the time to read it too, cause it is explan in the way that even a child can understand it, and my skill in english is approximatly that of a child like 9 years old
the electrinium compound become the electrinium unit, and that unit is cut to form electrinium battery
i will look for simple way, just get the electrinium unit, if there is too much volts then it will be not a problem to convert them in heat or whateverelse like some coils and swithching system to create ac electrinium unit
i look to the chap 10 see you
Quote from: Drannom on September 28, 2008, 05:59:01 PM
I also doubt of high voltage and high current can even be done while the crystal forms .
If you have a metal dissolved in a fluid and apply electricity, you are then electroplating.
The current needed for electroplating is MUCH less than we are talking about for aligning the molecules .
I just had a thought .
maybe a form of high voltage plating could be done by adding just a very small amount of metal to the electrolyte.
gary
Hi!
@Drannon
Keep positive and you will do it!
Jesus
Hello i have just finish chapter 10
i am sure that i will never try this method, i hope a team can do this in 6 months or more,
find borozon crystals to add to the iron-silver compound and then melt it with silicon, and grow a crystal, in a furnace !! big job
then reheating this crystal just to realign the iron-silver compound catch inside the crystal with high voltage and a resistance to protect the voltage device in input ! hope to not break the crystal then !!
i have understand perfectly chapter 10 ! thanks god !, and i will never suggest to try this here in this forum, i prefer to focus on many others simple way that is suppose to be as stated earlier in the electrinium.pdf
so here, there is 2 ways
those one with a lot of courage to try the borozon iron-silver silicon coumpound crystal, and try it for a very very longgggg time
and those one looking another way with steel and anything else like gold platinium, and the goal is to create a sort of aligment according to the electrinium theory
so , i will have to imagine the way to do it in the very easy way with the electrinium compound of iron-carbon and platinium
find and old battery of iron-silver will be usefull only for those trying the chapter 10 method
i think we all, have to find what is this very easy way what this means
Summera had explained that a piece of steel can be convert into a magnet with 3 big hit, and two magnets at both ends, i think to hit red hot steel with large spark while cooling will do the cristallisation and the polarization of the coumpound, cause the compound is the body, this is why it is simple, the simplest!!
i think to melt steel with platinium and try many possible ways to turn all the molecules in the right direction with high voltage
QuoteThe body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body.
hi resonanceman
you said
QuoteI am now thinking that adding a non conductive powder might be a good idea. It would spread out the electrinium compound and FORCE the current into small streams
I just got an image about the non conductive powder .
The ratio of powder to electriium compound would be important.
There would be several times more powder than electrinium .
The channels would form where the current would find a low enough path through the entire junction.
Electrinium particles that were not in a low resistance path would in effect be wasted ...they would be held out of the circuit by the powder
I am thinking that higher current would create more channels .
I am thinking that the voltage applied and the ratio of non conductive powder to electinium compound would at least roughly set the final output voltage..
Another way to set the output voltage would be the thickness of the junction
i think that is a simple way to try, it will be much easier than the chapter 10 method, keep going to channelled such good stuff, even from A. Summera himsefl !
there is a simple way, there is many simple way, even a simple way with the silver-iron compound
the simple way will be a very thin crystal, just to proove the concept
good night, my brain is ready to dream, about the electrinium
see you all, i will read the chapter 11
Hi!
I will vote for compound of iron-carbon and platinium. The easier way.
Jesus
Quote from: Drannom on September 28, 2008, 09:03:51 PM
Summera had explained that a piece of steel can be convert into a magnet with 3 big hit, and two magnets at both ends, i think to hit red hot steel with large spark while cooling will do the cristallisation and the polarization of the coumpound, cause the compound is the body, this is why it is simple, the simplest!!
i think to melt steel with platinium and try many possible ways to turn all the molecules in the right direction with high voltage
Drannon
I think you migh have something here ..
I never thought of hitting it to help line up the molecules like they do in magnets ........but if it works for magnets it could work for this .....after all we are trying to make something that works like a magnet .
I also think that a magnetic field like they use for making magnets might be of help too . .
the temperature would have to be right .... to hot and the alignment wouldn't hold .
I see no reason that we couldn't heat, electric currents, magnetic fields, and a few sharp thumps all at the same time if we need to.
As far as melting the steal and platinum ...... I am wondering if it is safer to make a battery and then use the sludge . It would be in the exact right proportions and you would know for sure that it was in electrinium pairs. each molecule would be properly matched. If the 2 metals are just melted together I am not so sure that they will mix well enough that each molecule will be properly bonded to its pair.
Any one have any experience with how they would mix?
It would be great if we could count on them mixing well enough ....... ..simpler is better ......as long as simpler works.
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
Howdy Y'all,
I just submitted the Electrinium Battery to Project 10100.
Project 10100 Thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5649.0/topicseen.html
Google is sponsoring this and they are putting up $10M for the best idea to improve the planet. I figure that Electrinium is good for that and maybe we can get some research bucks off of it...
Blessed Be...
It would be great if we could get a proof of concept battery made before the deadline.
I think it has a good chance WITH a working battery even if the battery is very low power.
I don't think there is much chance of them giving the money to someone with an energy related idea without proof that it works
It wouldn't be a " safe " choice for them.
gary
Howdy Y'all,
Great accomplishments are never easy...
"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to
the moon in this decade and do the other things,
not because they are easy, but because they are
hard, because that goal will serve to organize
and measure the best of our energies and skills,
because that challenge is one that we are willing
to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and
one which we intend to win, and the others, too."
-JFK (September 12, 1962)
People often criticize me because I always take the hard path. Well, habitually taking the hard path makes the mundane things is life seem all the more easy. If these tasks were easy someone else would have already figured them out. Someone else would be building Electrinium Batteries right now. By taking the initiative and doing the research, and the development, and making the investment we will be innovators that can change the world for the better. That is how I want to be remembered...
Blessed Be...
Hi folks
I have been following this very interesting thread and just wanted to throw this in. I checked out the John Hutchison website http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/John/index.html where it states :
"I sold a 55 000 volt type made to Japan. It was very well made. The owner is now showing it to audience".
Another type of John's batteries is the Electric Crystal which has been baked from natural minerals. "I like this one - it is so easy to make and the materials are dirt cheap. I have made honeycombs with 1 cc of material in each cell to give more voltage and current. Good ones that I sold for 35 000 USD gave 3 volts and one amp. I have made prototype for a 55 000 volt battery but it blew up. I have it on video."
I have no reason not to believe the claims, so to my mind I think Summera (or whoever it really is) was genuine and there is definitely something here.
Cheers
SPP-48
Quote from: SPP-48 on September 29, 2008, 12:14:11 AM
I have no reason not to believe the claims, so to my mind I think Summera (or whoever it really is) was genuine and there is definitely something here.
I think so too.
There has been talk of a blue crystal that is used to power underground bases .
I think it was Z Monkey that said the crystal he describes making would be blue.
From the first part of the PDF it is clear that he understands the bigger picture and that it is wrong to keep a this kind of thing away from the people.
If he helped develop this technology then had a hard time living with how it was used .......an anonymous PDF would be a great way to leak the information.
gary
the blue crystal use by military in underground basements come from Green's interview at projectcamelot, there is not any details interesting more thant that fact
Z_Monkey i agree that a team has to work on the chap 10 method too, and i do not think anyone up to now has figure out what is really the simplest method in the electrinium, it may be many ways, the good student will learn from the master and go on his own way to find it and merit all the free energy, it is simply done to not be understand by the rapid readers
resonanceman, the easy way with steel and platinium can be test with your two rods system, as i have stated before using a rod of steel and a rod of platinium, i was talking about the possibility to try different type of rods
then i will not have to melt the 2 metals, and it will be much simple
so, now i have to find 2 rods, and if nothing happen i will have to cristallize a liquid mixture of steel and platinium
and i am about to read chapter 11
see you
Howdy Y'all,
Anyone here seen the Elemental Rods thread or video? I would assume that these are doing a similar job as the Electrinium. The video claims that the rods "provides power day and night by a completely unknown means." The Elemental Rod thread says they source of energy is neutrinos. Well, in the light of the Super Light theory, it is probably Super Light energizing the Elemental Rods, just as Super Light energizes the Electrinium. In fact Super Light might have a hand in many Over Unity and Free Energy devices. Electrinium is just one way to capture Super Light and put it to good use. As Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document the nut that Tesla cracked with his plasma shield technology has far reaching implications, of which we have only begun to dream of. Electrinium is a nice start but think of other applications.
John Hutchison's Crystal Power Cell is right there in the same arena as the Electrinium Battery. Has anyone tried to contact John Hutchison directly. I'm going to send him an email. I would like to know his views on the theory of Super Light...
Blessed Be...
Hi Z_Monkey
great, so now we have much to study :)
elemental rods ! i look forward to understad that !
Hutchison keep his secrets, so do not believe someone like this, he just want money so let him down, he has not a good will, did you know ?
i think Hutchison do much than only cooking his battery, he may use high voltage like in electrinium
the first time a talked about super light was in my alum pyramid topic, i found this link cause i had learning that in french first
the electrinium was proposed in the Crystal Hutchison topic by DCarlson and the electrinium was severely attacked there, i had to be humiliated there,
in the Tseung Theory the electrinium was attacked, but Topgun like it very much
now i am in the happyness, cause we are about to finish theory and start experiment
possibly platinium can be found already melt with steel in some alliage?
@Drannom
Might be possible to use a displacement reaction to get a salt of the metals needed.
Such as adding Iron to copper sulfate, since iron is more reactive than copper it replaces it,
and the copper precipitates out of the solution...
Fe + CuSO4 ----> FeSO4 + Cu
Also,what about crystal growth in a strong permanent magnetic field either as a replacement for OR in addition to the electricity?
Hi.
I'm just watching this thread as a layman with only some basic scientific knowledge.
I found this professional service: http://www.bullensemiconductor.com/Contact-Us.cfm . Certainly there are more alike services.
I think this could ease your work, folks.
With regards,
Marek P.
Howdy Y'all,
Found something cool. I was looking for some information on Tesla's Radiant Power Generator and I came across a very interesting article about Dr. Thomas Henry Moray. It starts out very strange and I wondered why this has anything to do with Moray. Then as the article progresses it all makes sense.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
Basically it describes the manner in which Moray came up with the interesting combination of elements which gives his Radiant Power Receiver life. As I was reading this I began drawing parallels to Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods. Also this article suggests that there are mineral combinations in nature which produce an electrical equivalent of the lodestone. The electric lodestone would be a naturally occurring Electrinium. For years I have been playing with coils, transformers, and LC tank circuits in search of the illusive free energy demon and perhaps I should have been playing with rocks...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
@All
Is there any way to replace the tin in a tin/silver solder, with steel or another metal that can produce the electrinium.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 02, 2008, 08:02:41 PM
Hi!
@All
Is there any way to replace the tin in a tin/silver solder, with steel or another metal that can produce the electrinium.
Jesus
Jesus
I has thinking that solder might be a good metal to mess with for a proof of concept project the other day ......then I thought about magnets a little more. ...... Iron isn't hard enough by itself to make a really good magnet ...... I am guessing that sense we are trying to make something that works like a magnet only with electricity we would need something that holds the molecules in allignment as tightly as a good magnet material .
It might be possible to use one soft metal and one hard metal ......but I am pretty sure that something hard is needed.
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on October 02, 2008, 02:04:22 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Found something cool. I was looking for some information on Tesla's Radiant Power Generator and I came across a very interesting article about Dr. Thomas Henry Moray. It starts out very strange and I wondered why this has anything to do with Moray. Then as the article progresses it all makes sense.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
Basically it describes the manner in which Moray came up with the interesting combination of elements which gives his Radiant Power Receiver life. As I was reading this I began drawing parallels to Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods. Also this article suggests that there are mineral combinations in nature which produce an electrical equivalent of the lodestone. The electric lodestone would be a naturally occurring Electrinium. For years I have been playing with coils, transformers, and LC tank circuits in search of the illusive free energy demon and perhaps I should have been playing with rocks...
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
That was an interesting article .
I am not sure that it fits with electrinium but it does seem to point to there being more than one way to get the job done .
did you check out the links at the bottom of the page ......havn't read them yet but the top 2 look interesting
gary
Hi!
@Gary
I was following one thread about a horseshoe magnet that produced electricity and I bought the horseshoe magnet that cost me 45 US dollars.
The damn thing did not work at all. I could get only a little bit of volts only when it was wet.
So be careful with the magnets. I am not saying that it may not be possible though. Anything is possible to the one who believes.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 03, 2008, 03:26:58 PM
Hi!
@Gary
I was following one thread about a horseshoe magnet that produced electricity and I bought the horseshoe magnet that cost me 45 US dollars.
The damn thing did not work at all. I could get only a little bit of volts only when it was wet.
So be careful with the magnets. I am not saying that it may not be possible though. Anything is possible to the one who believes.
Jesus
Jesus
sorry to hear that your magnet progect didn't work out.
I followed that thread for a while. have you tried different metals across the gap in the horseshoe?
In a similar experment one guy got pretty good voltage voltage with an aluminium channel placed over the ends of the magnet. ( he didn't use a horseshoe magnet , he used 2 strings of smaller magnets with a piece of metal to bridge them at the top )
I looked for a horseshoe magnet when I was watching that thread .......couldn't find much of anything. .
gary
Why bother with steel? It's composed of several elements which can vary in concentration (even from lot to lot of the same grade)...
Do I have the general hypothesis right? trying to make a crystal that is full of free electrons so they can be put in motion by what will most likeley turn out to be steady neutrino-like bombardment (from a star/sun central to our galaxy that releases this energy continuously as opposed to the flow of neutrinos from our own sun that are only detectable during solar flares)? will there be an n and p region to encourage flow in a single direction?
I think I need to refresh my memory on semiconductor theory and THEN re-read the electrinium.pdf...
Quote from: hypersoniq on October 03, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
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Do I have the general hypothesis right? trying to make a crystal that is full of free electrons so they can be put in motion by what will most likeley turn out to be steady neutrino-like bombardment (from a star/sun central to our galaxy that releases this energy continuously as opposed to the flow of neutrinos from our own sun that are only detectable during solar flares)? will there be an n and p region to encourage flow in a single direction?
I think I need to refresh my memory on semiconductor theory and THEN re-read the electrinium.pdf...
Hypersoniq
I think you have the basics down .
I am not sure it will help to study clasical semiconductor theory ......I don't think that this fits standard theory .
If I remember right the PDF talked about positive and negative .......they are relative to the weight of the atoms .
gary
Howdy Resonanceman and Hypersonic,
Yeah, it will help to study the theory of semiconductor fabrication. Electrinium is a crystalline structure based on silicon, borozon, iron, and silver. This, that which we are pursuing, the Electrinium, is something sacred. It is divine in nature. It is something that is handed down from that which we consider to be GODS. This is not a happenstance occurrence. This is directly divine intervention that we cannot ignore. This is something that we cannot ignore, it must be done.
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 03, 2008, 10:49:25 PM
Howdy Resonanceman and Hypersonic,
Yeah, it will help to study the theory of semiconductor fabrication. Electrinium is a crystalline structure based on silicon, borozon, iron, and silver. This, that which we are pursuing, the Electrinium, is something sacred. It is divine in nature. It is something that is handed down from that which we consider to be GODS. This is not a happenstance occurrence. This is directly divine intervention that we cannot ignore. This is something that we cannot ignore, it must be done.
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
I hope the Gods are in a mood to help get it done
gary
Hi!
@Gary
I will try the aluminum. Do you have any pictures of that?
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 04, 2008, 01:04:04 AM
Hi!
@Gary
I will try the aluminum. Do you have any pictures of that?
Jesus
nievesoliveras
All that I could find so far is a video .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWF6UJ77vD0
gary
Edit
There is a mistake on the video ...... he is reading AC and DC volts with the meters he says that it goes up to 1 amp and then starts the cycle over again .
Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related
and this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienScientist
with regards, Marek
Hi!
@Gary
I saw that video before and tried to contact the author but I could not.
The questions I had were:
1. How to connect the aluminum to the magnets.
2. How to connect the other side.
Maybe he told it in the video, but I can write and read english, But when it comes to the spoken part I am not that good.
@Qwert
I saw the two videos. The first one was related to the electrinium battery, but the second one, I think that was a little far from our quest. Remember it is just an opinion and I could be totally wrong.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 04, 2008, 09:26:18 PM
Hi!
@Gary
I saw that video before and tried to contact the author but I could not.
The questions I had were:
1. How to connect the aluminum to the magnets.
2. How to connect the other side.
Maybe he told it in the video, but I can write and read english, But when it comes to the spoken part I am not that good.
Jesus
I am pretty sure he was trying to simulate a horse shoe magnet with regular magnets .
to simulate a horse shoe magnet you would have to end up with a N and an S on the open end.
I don't think that the bridge between the strings of magnet matters very much . a piece of iron should work . I think he used ball shaped magnets at the corners and a regular magnet in between .
The Aluminum piece was from another project . It happened to fit snugly over the magnets .
The dielectric he used was a piece of paper . ( from a post it notepad )
he also said he used a blob of hot glue to hold the legs of the magnets apart ( on the open side )
I hope this helps
gary
I've read the pdf from the start of the thread and already the page eight has some disturbing claims. "The light has no heat and the heat has no light".
On page ten, "Heat and light are product of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance." Or this one: "The surface of the sun could be very warm or quite cool, according to the makeup of its atmosphere."
So, now my kerosene lighter is actually an electric generator and there is atmosphere on the sun. Can someone tell me what is the definition of atmosphere? (look it up online, it is quite interesting. The science got it wrong again, according to this "inventor".)
And of course the evil is also identified: "...just beyond Mars lies the remains of Maldeck, an ancient planet that was so consistently evil that the planet was destroyed forever."
Hillarious reading. But I do like the battery. it is a compound of plutoNIUM (as written by the "inventor") and the iron.
And everything is happening under the watchful eye of the Director.
Really hillarious reading. Can't wait for the second book. There's got to be a sequel to this. All the signals are there. I bet the second book will be titled something like "Dude, wherez my plutoNIUM?" or, "The merchant from Maldeck."
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 04, 2008, 11:25:23 PM
I've read the pdf from the start of the thread and already the page eight has some disturbing claims. "The light has no heat and the heat has no light".
On page ten, "Heat and light are product of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance." Or this one: "The surface of the sun could be very warm or quite cool, according to the makeup of its atmosphere."
So, now my kerosene lighter is actually an electric generator and there is atmosphere on the sun. Can someone tell me what is the definition of atmosphere? (look it up online, it is quite interesting. The science got it wrong again, according to this "inventor".)
And of course the evil is also identified: "...just beyond Mars lies the remains of Maldeck, an ancient planet that was so consistently evil that the planet was destroyed forever."
Hillarious reading. But I do like the battery. it is a compound of plutoNIUM (as written by the "inventor") and the iron.
And everything is happening under the watchful eye of the Director.
Really hillarious reading. Can't wait for the second book. There's got to be a sequel to this. All the signals are there. I bet the second book will be titled something like "Dude, wherez my plutoNIUM?" or, "The merchant from Maldeck."
I see the trash has come to this thread .
Please just ignore him
All he wants is to argue and ridicule .
If no one feeds his need for conflict he will get board and go away .
gary
If you read the electrinium document carefully AND objectively, you will find that it is a hypothesis (since even the author didn't attempt an experiment) interjected with personal beliefs.
try reading it again and strip out the interjected beliefs... THINK about what is being proposed...
In a regular battery it is the action of some sort of deposition of one material onto another that creates the flow of electrons, once the process can continue no longer, the battery cell is "dead"...reversing the reaction can re-distribute the components and start the process over again. With this proposed "electrinium" cell, a crystal formation can use some other force that is constantly around us to move the electrons... the crystaline lattice never changes and therefore as long as the force continues, the battery never "dies".
Is it so far fetched? I don't think so. Whatever the "super light/aether/orgone" blah blah is about, in THIS text he is (perhaps unknowingly) referring to neutrinos from the sun and even more powerful ones from a larger star nearer the center of the galaxy. Here's a fun fact...65 billion neutrinos pass THROUGH each square CENTIMETER of the earth (that's facing the sun) every SECOND! And that's just solar neutrinos! Talk about and endless energy source... there you have it. Problem... they pass thru just about everything and anything.
Enter a proposed structure that can deflect/absorb neutrinos... ready for it? Cubic Boron Nitride Nanotubes! NASA is looking at this for protection from "cosmic ray spallation" in manned mars missions. When the author mentions Borazon, I am believing he did his homework!
It's too interesting to dismiss...
Hi!
@Gary
Thank You!!
I sent for some electronic parts for a project I have been doing for a long time. In the meantime I will work on the electrinium knowledge and the horseshoe magnet project.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2008, 11:16:30 AM
Hi!
@Gary
Thank You!!
I sent for some electronic parts for a project I have been doing for a long time. In the meantime I will work on the electrinium knowledge and the horseshoe magnet project.
Jesus
Good luck Jesus
I was wondering about a related idea.
I read a couple days ago that silicon doides and germanium diodes will pass certain frequency's differently .
I also read that Moreys swedish stone might have acted as a rectifier at some frequencys .
I was wondering if a string of magnets with the right dielectric would act as a rectifier at a specific frequency .
I tried a string of neo's using magnetic tape from a VCR as the dielectric
No obvious effects . I did get some AC readings but not enough be sure of anything.
The AC was VERY sensitive to my proximity to the magnets .
I don't have the equipment to test it at different power levels or different frequencys .
gary
If you have two neomagnets and wedged inbetween them is a piezo crystal would the pressure induce a current?
@hypersor
What is the kinetic energy of the neutrinos? Are they just drifting or moving right along. If they are going fast enough they would create displacement currents like in a plazma field. Maybe these little devils are responsible for a moving aether as suspected by Maxwell and others.
some very interesting thoughts have gone into this thread, but i myself have some serious problems with the original .pdf - its contents, and thereby - the theoretical device presented by the author....
The authors understanding of the nature of the atomic structure, the earth, the sun and the
universe itself are completely innacurate, and incorrect in many ways.
As for this device, or "unit" - what he speaks of, is essentally: an Electret, or series of electrets.
which we already know, do not form into a 'usable battery' in the way proposed by the .pdf
in certain arrangements, electrets can be charged similar to a capacitor, but deplete very rapidly.
someone wasted a great deal of time writing this......
Hi!
@Gary
I made a lot of tests with different materials including a bycicle rubber tube. But only wraping the magnet keeper with an empty pack of aluminum from soda crackers and placing a piece of paper between the horseshoe magnet and a pice of aluminum held in place by the wrapped magnet, I could get 0.15dcv that held for a few seconds and then went down to 0.8vdc and held for few seconds and then went down to 0.02vdc and stayed there.
Jesus
Quote from: sparks
What is the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?
Mostly packing a few GeV while the more powerful ones hit the TeV to PeV range! They zip along right below the speed of light.
Quote from: sparks on October 05, 2008, 03:22:41 PM
If you have two neomagnets and wedged inbetween them is a piezo crystal would the pressure induce a current?
Sparks
Interesting idea .
My first thought was that the only flow that the piezo crystal would make would be when it was first squeezed by the magnets .
Then I remembered that the piezo effect works both ways . The crystal would expand and contract if an AC voltage was applied .
There would have to be a resonant frequency for the device .
This device would clearly be under unity because of the AC voltage needed to drive it.
I don't think it would take much power to drive the device . It would probably require fairly high voltage if a thick piezo crystal was used.
Now ....... what if a tuned LC circuit was added ?
The capacitance of the magnet and crystal would probably have to be used as part of the capacitance of the LC circuit . It would be ideal if the capacitance of the magnet /crystal was high enough to be the primary capacitance for the LC circuit .
Maybe a row of the devices would be a way to increase the capacitance enough.
It is possible that when hit with a voltage pulse BOTH the magnet/crystal and the LC circuit would ring for a specific amount of time ......each one hitting the other with positive reinforcement at the right time.
I have never heard of anyone using a magnet / crystal vibrator as a capacitor in an LC circuit before.
There are lots of variables in making this..... some of them like the resonance of the magnet / crystal will change depending on how it is used. an example .......if a row of the devices is needed to reach the right capacitance placing iron bars across the ends of the magnets would help keep them working together .........but would change the resonant frequency .
A little quirk of LC circuits that I don't think has been exploited before.
A magnetic field is created in the coil as the circuit resonates .
As far as I know this magnetic field is just part of how it a coil works ......the actual magnetic field is not considered work
If a coil was wound with a group of wires and only one wire was used for the required LC inductance the magnetic field would be induced through ALL the wires .
If each winding was used for tuned LC circuits if one was set into resonance ALL of them would be set into resonance .
I would like to add that a mistake that I think people tend to make when trying to use resonant circuits with OU they try to tap to much energy.
Resonance is a vibration . vibrations are easy to dampen.
Assuming we got a self sustaining resonance at lets say 100 V we would be lucky to be able to tap a couple of volts without dampening the vibration enough to loose resonance .
My plan would be to wind a coil with 8 or 10 parallel wires then using 1 wire for output .
gary
Quote from: sm0ky2 on October 05, 2008, 03:53:02 PM
some very interesting thoughts have gone into this thread, but i myself have some serious problems with the original .pdf - its contents, and thereby - the theoretical device presented by the author....
The authors understanding of the nature of the atomic structure, the earth, the sun and the
universe itself are completely innacurate, and incorrect in many ways.
As for this device, or "unit" - what he speaks of, is essentally: an Electret, or series of electrets.
which we already know, do not form into a 'usable battery' in the way proposed by the .pdf
in certain arrangements, electrets can be charged similar to a capacitor, but deplete very rapidly.
someone wasted a great deal of time writing this......
sm0ky
Are you assuming that what you know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things?
Is there any possibility that what you were taught about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?
One of the things that I like about the " theorys " in the PDF is that they strongly imply the unity of all .
I have found in my own life that there is an invisable connection between all things .
Much of humanitys problems are because in general we don't believe in that connection.
gary
@Gary: although I appreciate your conviction that there is
somehow a hidden "unity", an invisible connection as you call it,
that does not change the fact that the Electrinium pdf is
very shakey at best.
But I've been saying so for ages and have been taking flak for that
from Drannom ever since I dared to point out the discrepancies
in the pdf instead of declaring it the biggest breakthrough since
the invention of fire like he has been doing...
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.
Just a quick recap of my opinion of mr Summera's theory:
Even is you leave his view of the solar system aside, his story
about the Electrinium unit is inconsistent, and despite his claims
of how simple it would be to build one, his final proposed prototype
is suddenly quite complex and not at all the simple unit he claimed
is possible, and even more remarkable is that it seems he was quite
far in the development and production of this protoype, yet in the
30 years since his device has never surfaced or even been rumoured
about... which does seem to imply that it was either never built,
or it was built but didn't work.
And to be honest, the latter would not surprise me at all, seeing that
mr Summera appears to have a had a view of atoms and their interactions
that simply does not accord with the extensive knowledge of atoms
and their QED interactions as science has refined it in the past decades.
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
Mr. Summera also seems to think that adding dopant to a conductor,
thereby producing zones in the bulk material that are relatively 'positively'
and 'negatively' polarised, will automatically (or if you prefer 'naturally')
cause any charges inside the conductor to flow along that bias path.
Although that does work in np-junctions in semiconductors, in conductors
it is a different story. There's a reason why we use semiconductors for diodes:
you can get semiconductor diodes to work on purely pn dopant differences,
but with non-semiconductors that's different.
And like I said, that's if we only look at the actual Electrinium part of the story.
It is good that a seperate Electrinium thread has been started,
at least that keeps this Electrinium crap out of our Crystal Cell thread.
;)
Hope I haven't annoyed anyone too much... ;)
Quote from: Koen1 on October 06, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
@Gary: although I appreciate your conviction that there is
somehow a hidden "unity", an invisible connection as you call it,
that does not change the fact that the Electrinium pdf is
very shakey at best.
But I've been saying so for ages and have been taking flak for that
from Drannom ever since I dared to point out the discrepancies
in the pdf instead of declaring it the biggest breakthrough since
the invention of fire like he has been doing...
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.
Just a quick recap of my opinion of mr Summera's theory:
Even is you leave his view of the solar system aside, his story
about the Electrinium unit is inconsistent, and despite his claims
of how simple it would be to build one, his final proposed prototype
is suddenly quite complex and not at all the simple unit he claimed
is possible, and even more remarkable is that it seems he was quite
far in the development and production of this protoype, yet in the
30 years since his device has never surfaced or even been rumoured
about... which does seem to imply that it was either never built,
or it was built but didn't work.
And to be honest, the latter would not surprise me at all, seeing that
mr Summera appears to have a had a view of atoms and their interactions
that simply does not accord with the extensive knowledge of atoms
and their QED interactions as science has refined it in the past decades.
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
Mr. Summera also seems to think that adding dopant to a conductor,
thereby producing zones in the bulk material that are relatively 'positively'
and 'negatively' polarised, will automatically (or if you prefer 'naturally')
cause any charges inside the conductor to flow along that bias path.
Although that does work in np-junctions in semiconductors, in conductors
it is a different story. There's a reason why we use semiconductors for diodes:
you can get semiconductor diodes to work on purely pn dopant differences,
but with non-semiconductors that's different.
And like I said, that's if we only look at the actual Electrinium part of the story.
It is good that a seperate Electrinium thread has been started,
at least that keeps this Electrinium crap out of our Crystal Cell thread.
;)
Hope I haven't annoyed anyone too much... ;)
Koen
I would like to ask you the same questions that I asked smOkey.
Are you assuming that what you know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things?
Is there any possibility that what you were taught about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?
With millions of so called educated people in the world we have made very little progress in any technology relating to energy .
Other technologies grow in leaps and bounds.
Why haven't we made any real progress ?
Could it be that our schools teach us more about how to avoid OU than how to find it ?
It seems to me that anyone can find a way to punch a hole in a theory.
It takes no wisdom to criticize people .
This site is about finding better ways to get energy .
Listing ways it can't be done is not helping anyone.
If you are as wise as you seem to think you are . Why don't you spend your time finding things that might work.
I do agree that the laws of physics apply . But all so called laws have loopholes, have you found any of them yet?
You know the laws better than I do . You should be able to spot the loopholes easier than I can.
Well ..... I guess that depends on if you are really even looking.
Maybe you just enjoy criticizing .
gary
@resonanceman
This is off topic but if a resonant circuit is used that has a motor for an inductor and an electrostatic coupling to two plates plus the normal capacitor (see below)
would this get us some extra energy out while the circuit is ringing without excessive dampning? The circuit conductors between the cap and the plate forming a plate themselves in electrostatic induction?
And so must you, as you have already criticised two people in an identical manner.
Pot calling kettle black sort of thing? ;)
Besides, criticism is not always a bad thing, as you seem to think.
But seriously, I don't spend my time looking for things to criticise.
It's just that I have been working on Crystal Cells for years now,
and every now and then someone rocks up waving the Electrinium paper
and shouting that we should just follow the preachings of Summera...
And none of those people so far have shown to have any solid knowledge
or understanding of material physics at all...
The last of these, a guy calling himself Drannom, actually managed to
turn it into a sort of flame war, and that got me a bit fired up.
So whenever I see people discussing the Elecrinium thing very superficially
and see the same type of dedication to the Electrinium theory that
is based on preference to believe instead of on logical understanding of
physics, it rekindles the fire somewhat. And I feel I need to give my
opinion.
Apparently sharing your honest opinion is not appreciated by many if the
opinion is even slightly critical. Well, that's a pity.
Can we, by the way, bounce your questions back at you? I think we can.
Do you believe you are the keeper of wisdom?
Do you have all the truth bundled in a book?
Are you certain, to take an example from Summera's theory, that there is a
Galactic Central Sun Black Hole which emits AC radiation, which in turn
gets transfomed mysteriously into DC radiation by our sun, and the interaction
of the two produces gravity?
For I have tried and can't seem to find any gravitational variations in such a setup.
Are you certain, to take another example from Summera, that atoms are exactly like
our solar system? If so, then where is the elliptic in a given atom? Oh, right,
there isn't one, because subatomic particles unlike planets circle in three dimensional
orbits and not in mostly 2D ellipticals.
Do you honestly believe Summera is correct in those points?
Or are you just criticising my valid criticism because you like to claim some sort
of moral high ground or something?
Well, whatever it is, let's not bicker over this silly theory, ok?
Unless of course you truly believe in the Elecrinium theory, in which case
I apologise for possibly insulting your beliefs, and in such case I shall
attempt to refrain from disturbing your thread in the future.
Quote from: Koen1 on October 06, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
Well, whatever it is, let's not bicker over this silly theory, ok?
Unless of course you truly believe in the Elecrinium theory, in which case
I apologise for possibly insulting your beliefs, and in such case I shall
attempt to refrain from disturbing your thread in the future.
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.
Koen
You have said twice now that you will stay off this thread.
Please do as you say you will do.
As far as answering your questions ....... I would have taken the time to answer them if you had taken the time to answer mine.
We are trying to have a conversation about Electrinium here.
Maybe we have no chance of success .......maybe we do . It is not your call.
It is not your place to try to disrupt the conversation here.
You have stated that you have talked to people about electrinium before so you know what to expect ...........so why did you come here other than to trash the thread ?
gary
Quote from: sparks on October 06, 2008, 02:28:41 PM
@resonanceman
This is off topic but if a resonant circuit is used that has a motor for an inductor and an electrostatic coupling to two plates plus the normal capacitor (see below)
would this get us some extra energy out while the circuit is ringing without excessive dampning? The circuit conductors between the cap and the plate forming a plate themselves in electrostatic induction?
Sparks
Did you intend to attach a schematic it says see below .........I don;t see anything below .
What is the purpose of the 2 plates ?
Are you talking about a Grey motor ?
gary
Sorry Rman , Site keeps on telling me I can't write to the upload file.
My idea was to set up an Lc network but use a Tesla cap/coil in series on each leg between the inductor and the main cap. As the main circuit oscillates these thrucurrrent capacitors should alternately charge and discharge without dampening the oscillator. The electrostatic field produced between these two caps would be interesting to monitor.
Quote from: sparks on October 06, 2008, 08:23:00 PM
Sorry Rman , Site keeps on telling me I can't write to the upload file.
My idea was to set up an Lc network but use a Tesla cap/coil in series on each leg between the inductor and the main cap. As the main circuit oscillates these thrucurrrent capacitors should alternately charge and discharge without dampening the oscillator. The electrostatic field produced between these two caps would be interesting to monitor.
Sparks
I am not sure that I am understanding you yet.
I don't have much formal training ...... Most of what I know is from reading sites like this
So far my idea of what you are trying to describe is using an LC circuit feeding into HV caps driving 2 Tesla secondarys
Is that close ?
The voltage of the caps and the Tesla secondarys would be interesting .
I am assuming that unlike a conventional Tesla coil the secondary would be directly connected and tuned to the same frequency . as the driving circuit .
I would think that the coil for the LC circuit would be very large .
As I understand it one of the main problems of making a very high power Tesla coil is the loose coupling between the primary and secondary . This would get past that . It could handle as much power as your LC circuit could take without oveheating . . ... assuming you don't blow your caps .
I am thinking this might be something like a Tesla multiplier .
gary
Edit
One thing that might hurt the overall output ..........the 2 tesla secondary's would be out of 180 out of phase ....... any voltage induced in the opposite coil would be destructive interference .
As to the molecular structure of the crystal...
What goes into growing a piezo crystal?
I think I can see thru the fog a bit clearer now... Crystal structutre that has the piezoelectric effect
stored in a hard casing (therefore no pressure can be put on it to excite the electron flow)
BUT the structure is laced with cubic Boron Nitride, which DOES react with neutrinos...
You would end up with a piezo crystal that is ALWAYS being excited! This type of crystal would probably output some trace voltage while it it being grown...
Now some questions...
is it only in nanotube form that cBN reacts with neutrinos?
is there a crystal form that can be grown without high heat and pressure that does what we need?
more Q's to come later, but at least in my mind I can now see how this might work...
Howdy Koen1,
Quote from: Koen1 on October 06, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
Are you certain, to take an example from Summera's theory, that there is a
Galactic Central Sun Black Hole which emits AC radiation, which in turn
gets transfomed mysteriously into DC radiation by our sun, and the interaction
of the two produces gravity?
Yeah, the key to Electrinium is Super Light theory.
Super Light theory is in the same area as the Soft Particle Physics theories that I was toying with earlier this year. This same process excites the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods. Also this theory is congruent with Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Receiver. I just read a very exciting chapter in his book about the unlimited sea of energy we live in. Here is a link to some information about Moray and his sea of energy.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
The Super Light theory takes Morays theory a little farther by adding the dark central sun. It is dark because its emissions are a lot higher that our optical sensors (eyes and instruments). It is not just the reaction of the enormous amount of energy coming from our sun, but the perpendicular interaction between the energy coming from our sun and the invisible energy coming from the central sun which creates these effects in matter. These two sources of energy interact with and add energy to matter. The silver iron atoms join to become a molecule. One side of the is producing negative charges with the added Super Light energy. The other side is producing positive charges with the added Super Light Energy. The effect which is produced makes the molecule a tiny pump effecting the space around it. It becomes a molecular battery. When these molecules become organized in series parallel structures then their effects can be amplified to create a battery. A battery which is supplied energy from starlight. Let me rephrase that, a strong, perpetual battery which is supplied energy from starlight. I believe that the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods are doing an analogous job of converting starlight to electricity. Both Tesla and Moray considered these phenomena to be caused by cosmic rays, and they were right, Super Light is a newer theory.
Edit: I believe the first person to physically prove the existence of Super Light was Nicola Tesla. His Plasma Shield technology from the WWII era used ultra high frequency energy (same as the central sun) which would dissolve physical matter. He explained this was because of the energy radiated by the central sun. This is in the Electrinium document.
Blessed Be...
Hypersoniq
I am not sure that electrinium uses the piezo effect
I like the idea of it working like a magnet although that is not really an explanation of how it works because we really don't understand exactly how a magnet works .
I did find a few piezo links
http://www.smied.co.jp/smi_english/product/e-10.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric
http://www.piezo-kinetics.com/index.htm
http://www.physikinstrumente.com/en/products/prdetail.php?sortnr=703750
The last one is a piezo Linear Actuator I had no idea that this kind of actuator existed . It looks to me like it would be idea for pulling crystals
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on October 07, 2008, 07:21:00 AM
Howdy Koen1,
Yeah, the key to Electrinium is Super Light theory.
Super Light theory is in the same area as the Soft Particle Physics theories that I was toying with earlier this year. This same process excites the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods. Also this theory is congruent with Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Receiver. I just read a very exciting chapter in his book about the unlimited sea of energy we live in. Here is a link to some information about Moray and his sea of energy.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
The Super Light theory takes Morays theory a little farther by adding the dark central sun. It is dark because its emissions are a lot higher that our optical sensors (eyes and instruments). It is not just the reaction of the enormous amount of energy coming from our sun, but the perpendicular interaction between the energy coming from our sun and the invisible energy coming from the central sun which creates these effects in matter. These two sources of energy interact with and add energy to matter. The silver iron atoms join to become a molecule. One side of the is producing negative charges with the added Super Light energy. The other side is producing positive charges with the added Super Light Energy. The effect which is produced makes the molecule a tiny pump effecting the space around it. It becomes a molecular battery. When these molecules become organized in series parallel structures then their effects can be amplified to create a battery. A battery which is supplied energy from starlight. Let me rephrase that, a strong, perpetual battery which is supplied energy from starlight. I believe that the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods are doing an analogous job of converting starlight to electricity. Both Tesla and Moray considered these phenomena to be caused by cosmic rays, and they were right, Super Light is a newer theory.
Edit: I believe the first person to physically prove the existence of Super Light was Nicola Tesla. His Plasma Shield technology from the WWII era used ultra high frequency energy (same as the central sun) which would dissolve physical matter. He explained this was because of the energy radiated by the central sun. This is in the Electrinium document.
Blessed Be...
One of the things Ilike about the super light concept is that it fits with all the other stuff I have learned about how life really works.
I don't remember where but I read years ago the black holes were natures recycling system ......physical stuff goes in ......non physical energy flows out .
This sounds like super light to me .
Of course the name doesn't really matter .
What ever you call it there is a flow of energy that is beyond physical senses .........and it is very powerful .
Personally I find the least believable part of the PDF is the part about the Tesla Shield .
I understand that in times of war sometimes extreme measures are taken .
This seems to me a bit to extreme.
A shield that disintegrates any physical matter that passes through it .....from boarder to border .
Wouldn't this shield be kind of hard on birds and flying insects ?
It wouldn't be very useful if the enemy could sneek under it ........so what happens to the ground or water where it makes contact with the shield ?
One potential use of the technology on a small scale would be for waste disposal .
On the surface it sounds like the perfect solution to our landfill problems...............but I suspect that putting the molecules of our waste into the air is probably no better than putting the waste into the earth in the long run . .
There may be sublight energy also. Quantom physics predicts streams of neutrinos permeating well almost everything at high velocities. Aether fabric? Magnetic particles? Gravity and anti-gravtiy just being a result of the relavent inertia of these particles.
@resonanceman
Hey, thanks for the links!
I did some reading and I found out that Rochelle Salt (Potassium Sodium Tartrate) Has strong piezoelectric properties... you can make that in your kitchen!
You might be right and I have now strayed off the electrinium path onto something else (piezo-electrinium ? ;) ). But since I have neither the funds or equipment to start running Czochralski processes with the materials in the pdf, I think I will stick to the cheap and easy stuff until I at least have a working proof of concept...
The rochelle salt is the easy part, I worked with that decades ago for science class... the cBN will hopefully present an easy/cheap method of implementation and integration without getting into the whole nanotube issue...
Oh well, even if it's not electrinium, that book did provide some inspiration!
Good Luck to whoever pulls the first boule!
Quote from: hypersoniq on October 07, 2008, 09:24:08 PM
@resonanceman
Hey, thanks for the links!
I did some reading and I found out that Rochelle Salt (Potassium Sodium Tartrate) Has strong piezoelectric properties... you can make that in your kitchen!
You might be right and I have now strayed off the electrinium path onto something else (piezo-electrinium ? ;) ). But since I have neither the funds or equipment to start running Czochralski processes with the materials in the pdf, I think I will stick to the cheap and easy stuff until I at least have a working proof of concept...
The rochelle salt is the easy part, I worked with that decades ago for science class... the cBN will hopefully present an easy/cheap method of implementation and integration without getting into the whole nanotube issue...
Oh well, even if it's not electrinium, that book did provide some inspiration!
Good Luck to whoever pulls the first boule!
Hypersonic
I agree that it is good to work on what we can . .......
How strong is the rochelle salt crystals ?
Stong enough to get pinched between 2 neos and take some vibration ?
gary
Quote from: resonanceman
How strong is the rochelle salt crystals ?
Stong enough to get pinched between 2 neos and take some vibration ?
The 2 initial problems with Pure Rochelle Salt Crystals are
1.) poor tensile strength (it's the displacement of ions internally that makes it piezo-electric)
2.) tendency to absorb moisture
I need to investigate if there are ways around this using various dopants during the grow phase. I'm sure only experimentation will tell... (the cBN should change things, lattice wise)
(I know Sure Microphones used a rochelle salt crystal in one of their older microphone elements, and it was moisture-protected, but they didn't last long so they went with something else, most likely quartz)
Howdy Y'all,
I had a bit of a revelation about Super Light. We have light (energy) coming from our sun which is interacting with the super light coming from the central sun at a perpendicular angle within matter.
The frequency of the the superlight is an order of magnitude or two higher than the frequency of light coming from our sun.
These two sources of energy are heterodyning within the matter and causing the matter to resonate at the difference in frequency which would be an order of magnitude or two (kilohertz to megahertz).
The specific type of matter would dictate how the energy is manifested.
Drannom has said that the Alum Crystals that he grows convert the super light into visible light.
Permanent magnets made with ferrous metals convert super light into magnetism.
The Electrinium would convert super light into electricity.
Heavy elements such as uranium convert super light into gamma rays.
I suspect that the major portion of the lighter elements convert super light into gravity.
If this theory can be expanded then we can find a combination of physical material which can be made to emit any energy in the spectrum....
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 08, 2008, 09:55:31 AM
I suspect that the major portion of the lighter elements convert super light into gravity.
If this theory can be expanded then we can find a combination of physical material which can be made to emit any energy in the spectrum....
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
I susspect that harmonics are always present so one atom may emit mostly one type of energy but it probably emits a very wide range of energy too .
As far as gravity goes I kind of like the explination in the PDF Gravity is caused by protons and nutrons having more ability to block super light .......so gravity is a shadow in the superlight flow
This would also imply that the energy that is blocked would be emitted as another form of energy ......so the heavy atoms is where we are likely to find usable energy output of some kind.
gary
I am wondering if this idea could be a way to test the superlight theory
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2157.320
reply 323
If the superlight theory is correct and gravity is the superlight being blocked by the protons and nutrons in the atoms heating the iron would make the atoms move faster .....making superlight collisions a little more likely .
I am also assuming that the superlight collisions cause some energy to be released in other forms
A heavier metal like lead might work better than iron if all this is true .
it should also mean that there would be some energy flowing even at room temp .
I am thinking it would probably be radiant energy so it can't be measured directly .......but it would show up as a voltage rise in the battery
gary
Jeanna, Resonanceman, Drannom,
You are the three here who know about St. Germain, and possibly read the Kybalion. St. Germain can precipitate elements from the ethers directly. In the Kybalion they state that Mental Transmutation of elements is possible. These powers seem like more than we are capable of, but they are not. I know we can practice the direct precursors to Mental Transmutation with Mental Attraction and Creative Visualization. Since we are not advanced enough to either directly precipitate matter or perform Mental Transmutation, we can do the next best thing. Use Mental Attraction to find the materials you want to use, and transform them into the structure you want to build using Creative Visualization. This will be like mentally forging an alloy.
Mr. Summera says we need pure iron, pure silver, pure silicon, and borozon (boron nitride). Although the process would be much easier to simple melt these in a crucible we are looking for a lower cost, and safer method in which to transform these elements into Electrinium. A furnace that is capable of melting silicon and borozon would not be cheap. So here is the alternative, low cost method.
They say the fire in your mind rivals the fires of hell. Lets use that fire for a constructive purpose. Lets mentally forge an Electrinium alloy crystal. We have to mix the essential elements. To do that when they are in a solid state is difficult. We first start by grinding each element into the finest powder possible. Then we would have to portion the powdered elements into a mixing chamber. Thoroughly mix all the powdered elements together. Next we would add the powdered elements to a crucible. I believe that some heating is required for us at this point, but ultimately this can be done purely mentally. You want to heat the crucible until it is glowing hot, but not hot enough where the contents turn to liquid. We want it hot enough to where it is in a plastic state where it can be manipulated physically, except that the manipulation is going to happen mentally. Take the crucible out of the fire and place it on a stable surface. As the mixture is cooling you are going to work it with your mind. Be prepared with the specific molecular structure that you want to grow. As the mixture is cooling visualize the molecular structure that you want to grow and focus your attention on the crucible. All the elements that you need for this molecular structure are already in the crucible, all you have to do is mentally arrange them. As you maintain your focus, and the visualization of the molecular structure, the mixture cools to the point of locking the molecular structure into place, creating a stable, permanent Electrinium Crystal.
This process does require specifically focused mental power, but it is a lot cheaper than buying a crystal pulling machine. This also eliminates the tedious, and lengthy manufacturing process I outlined at the beginning of this thread. But it will only be able to be accomplished by people that have honed their mental powers to a fine edge and are able to think with the clarity and persistence that this process requires.
Drannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally. Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.
Jeanna, Resonanceman, you have already shown access to advanced mental powers, I believe you could mentally precipitate Electrinium directly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 10:21:52 AM
Jeanna, Resonanceman, Drannom,
You are the three here who know about St. Germain, and possibly read the Kybalion. St. Germain can precipitate elements from the ethers directly. In the Kybalion they state that Mental Transmutation of elements is possible. These powers seem like more than we are capable of, but they are not. I know we can practice the direct precursors to Mental Transmutation with Mental Attraction and Creative Visualization. Since we are not advanced enough to either directly precipitate matter or perform Mental Transmutation, we can do the next best thing. Use Mental Attraction to find the materials you want to use, and transform them into the structure you want to build using Creative Visualization. This will be like mentally forging an alloy.
Mr. Summera says we need pure iron, pure silver, pure silicon, and borozon (boron nitride). Although the process would be much easier to simple melt these in a crucible we are looking for a lower cost, and safer method in which to transform these elements into Electrinium. A furnace that is capable of melting silicon and borozon would not be cheap. So here is the alternative, low cost method.
They say the fire in your mind rivals the fires of hell. Lets use that fire for a constructive purpose. Lets mentally forge an Electrinium alloy crystal. We have to mix the essential elements. To do that when they are in a solid state is difficult. We first start by grinding each element into the finest powder possible. Then we would have to portion the powdered elements into a mixing chamber. Thoroughly mix all the powdered elements together. Next we would add the powdered elements to a crucible. I believe that some heating is required for us at this point, but ultimately this can be done purely mentally. You want to heat the crucible until it is glowing hot, but not hot enough where the contents turn to liquid. We want it hot enough to where it is in a plastic state where it can be manipulated physically, except that the manipulation is going to happen mentally. Take the crucible out of the fire and place it on a stable surface. As the mixture is cooling you are going to work it with your mind. Be prepared with the specific molecular structure that you want to grow. As the mixture is cooling visualize the molecular structure that you want to grow and focus your attention on the crucible. All the elements that you need for this molecular structure are already in the crucible, all you have to do is mentally arrange them. As you maintain your focus, and the visualization of the molecular structure, the mixture cools to the point of locking the molecular structure into place, creating a stable, permanent Electrinium Crystal.
This process does require specifically focused mental power, but it is a lot cheaper than buying a crystal pulling machine. This also eliminates the tedious, and lengthy manufacturing process I outlined at the beginning of this thread. But it will only be able to be accomplished by people that have honed their mental powers to a fine edge and are able to think with the clarity and persistence that this process requires.
Drannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally. Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.
Jeanna, Resonanceman, you have already shown access to advanced mental powers, I believe you could mentally precipitate Electrinium directly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
I do believe that mind can manipulate energy .
One example is that I call the Daniel Pomerlou effect .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=393.0
I believe that Daniel started making his devices before he understood that there was no way that they could work . They only work because he KNOWS that they work .
I haven't been able to do anything like that so far .......in fact ....most of my experiments have been a little less effective than other peoples ...... so maybe I have a bit if the reverse Daniel gene.
:)
gary
Howdy Resonanceman,
I think you can do this because you know the power of the mind, you are connected with your higher self and you understand love. I believe that St. Germain can transmutate love (GODs Love) into elements at will. I believe that we can do the same. When I was young and first came across St. Germain it was a book about Alchemy. I tried my own experiments in Alchemy, but all had disastrous effects because my mind was not developed enough to successfully accomplish the goals of my Alchemy experiments. Now many years older, and possibly wiser, I find this material again, in a different form. Electrinium is my new Alchemy experiment. This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much. Remember, Mind over Matter. You can start with something simple and work your way up. Start with something simple like hydrogen, and a lighter to test it. Try to precipitate a quantity of hydrogen the flick the lighter and see if you see a little whoomph. Visualize the structure of the hydrogen molecules with intent on making it manifest. The intensity of your intent determines the quantity and speed of manifestation...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,
I think you can do this because you know the power of the mind, you are connected with your higher self and you understand love. I believe that St. Germain can transmutate love (GODs Love) into elements at will. I believe that we can do the same. When I was young and first came across St. Germain it was a book about Alchemy. I tried my own experiments in Alchemy, but all had disastrous effects because my mind was not developed enough to successfully accomplish the goals of my Alchemy experiments. Now many years older, and possibly wiser, I find this material again, in a different form. Electrinium is my new Alchemy experiment. This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much. Remember, Mind over Matter. You can start with something simple and work your way up. Start with something simple like hydrogen, and a lighter to test it. Try to precipitate a quantity of hydrogen the flick the lighter and see if you see a little whoomph. Visualize the structure of the hydrogen molecules with intent on making it manifest. The intensity of your intent determines the quantity and speed of manifestation...
Blessed Be...
Z Monkey
I have been into mind over matter for many years .
So far all my successful attempts have been related to self healing or spiritual concerns .
My biggest success involving healing was years ago when I realized that I had appendicitis.
A 5 hour healing session took care of that .
On the spiritual side I used to practice Tumo . The Buddhist art of manifesting warmth .
When I was practicing often I was able to sit quietly at night at 25 F for an hour with no goosebumps or shivering . I usually wore sweat pants and a t shirt
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This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much.
:)
very good
There is absolutely nothing physical about using spiritual energy .
When I first started doing lightwork I would tense up different muscles thinking I was directing the energy flow that way .... all I was really doing was giving myself a headach
:)
sending the energy is simply a choice ............feeling it flowing is the proof .
gary
:D :D so, if I can manifest feathers, would the next step be to fly? :) :) sounds good to me!
I am here briefly only to comment about the HHO process again. I mentioned it when I first came into this thread. I think the HHO welder produces the alchemical heat for alchemical transmutation. It is just a hunch, but in a recent lecture a spiritual teacher I trust (Ramtha) talked about transmutation, and described how the fire comes from within the original chemical. He was talking about something else and didn't continue in this direction for long. It does make me think that this HHO welder is the essential tool we are looking for.
HHO gas has been used to change rocks from one kind to another etc... The heat comes from the rock. The flame is cool. It fires the element from within.
So, back to electrinium, if someone out here has a garage or other safe spot, why not make a small HHO welder with flashback protection, and hit some sand with it. What will come out? will the O2 escape? will you end up with just Si? or will you end up with electrinium just straight up?
It probably sounds like a long shot, and I suppose it is, but there is something about all these things that seem to belong together. IMHO, of course.
jeanna
Howdy Jeanna,
The fire comes from within you, your spirit, the fire that is you...
Blessed Be...
When permanent magnets are made a molten metal mix of various elements is heated and electrical currents in various directions are maintained through the solidifying metal matrix. This causes the electron orbitals to be in a certain alignment. The magnetic effect is due to the electron displacement waves in combination with the neucleus displacement waves. What are they displacing? I am not sure but right before they ship the permanent magnets out the door they fill the crystalls up with it from exposure of the crystal to strong electrically produced magnetic flow fields. I suspect quantom physics neutrinos are responsible for the magnetic field and zeropoint energy.
Quote from: Drannom on September 28, 2008, 05:21:10 PM
yes you are right, Tesla was not erased, i read somewhere that Marcony is claiming to be the inventor of radio waves communication in some old hhistory book, in fact it was Tesla !, then many brevet patented from Tesla were used and no one mention that is coming from Tesla, Tesla's invention has been used illegaly, this is what i think and i may be wrong, i read that somewhere
Thanks for being man enough to admit it. :)
Howdy Jeanna,
If you think an HHO welder is the way to go you'll need this.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item142
Stanley Meyers Resonant Electrolysis Cell information.
Blessed Be...
Any answers to these questions yet?
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?
5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).
From http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/ear_01/ear_01_00136.html via Google
The Universariun Foundation was formed in 1958 and for many years headquartered in Portland, Oregon. Among the small group, Zelrun Karsleigh and his wife, Daisy Karsleigh, then still in her teens, began to receive telepathic material. Meetings were held regularly in their home, and the work grew steadily. For several decades, the Karsleighs remained the primary channels of messages from the spirit world, though eventually others have developed within the group.
Messages have been received from both the ascended masters and the masters from outer space. The principle communicators have been Sri Soudah, Koot Hoomi, and Lord Michael. The material follows the perspective of the "I AM" Religious Activity and is aimed at the illumination and emancipation of earth from its fear, chaos, and confusion.
The Universariun Foundation is governed by a board of seven directors elected by the membership at an annual meeting. The board oversees publication of the monthly periodical. A sanctuary for weekly meditation and telepathic channeling and a bookstore are maintained in Tucson. The recommended reading list of books, sold on a mail-order basis, includes a wide variety of metaphysical works.
Quote from: wizardofmars on October 09, 2008, 07:38:54 PM
Any answers to these questions yet?
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?
5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).
From http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/ear_01/ear_01_00136.html via Google
The Universariun Foundation was formed in 1958 and for many years headquartered in Portland, Oregon. Among the small group, Zelrun Karsleigh and his wife, Daisy Karsleigh, then still in her teens, began to receive telepathic material. Meetings were held regularly in their home, and the work grew steadily. For several decades, the Karsleighs remained the primary channels of messages from the spirit world, though eventually others have developed within the group.
Messages have been received from both the ascended masters and the masters from outer space. The principle communicators have been Sri Soudah, Koot Hoomi, and Lord Michael. The material follows the perspective of the "I AM" Religious Activity and is aimed at the illumination and emancipation of earth from its fear, chaos, and confusion.
The Universariun Foundation is governed by a board of seven directors elected by the membership at an annual meeting. The board oversees publication of the monthly periodical. A sanctuary for weekly meditation and telepathic channeling and a bookstore are maintained in Tucson. The recommended reading list of books, sold on a mail-order basis, includes a wide variety of metaphysical works.
wizardofmars
Nope ........no answers to those questions yet .
As far as I can see there is no interest in those questions yet either .
Have a nice day !!!!!!
gary
Quote from: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 05:20:24 PM
Howdy Jeanna,
The fire comes from within you, your spirit, the fire that is you...
Blessed Be...
Yes, of course.
In fact, this is where the teacher went in that lecture.
However, He did actually teach that this fire came from the base metal itself in the case of the alchemist's process.
In terms of physics and chemistry, I take that to mean that the spin of the electrons (Hydrogen atoms in the base metal, perhaps) would increase, bringing internal heat to the substance of attention.
Turning once again to Brown's gas,it could also be that the H
2 coming from the flame gets added to the metal and compresses into the bands making heat within.
Yull Brown attests that although the flame of HHO is not at all hot, it produces remarkable heat in the metals it touches. And that heat is variable and specific to the metal. You can even weld 2 dissimilar metals together. And of course, it isn't just metals, as I mentioned before, it is rocks and glass too. In my searches I found a Japanese company uses only HHO for welding, because it needs such precision. I think it is making glass parts that can't be blown. I should find it again, because it is a testament to the excellence of the HHO welder.
jeanna
I am trying to figure how to move things around my shed to safely use a HHO welder.
Quote from: resonanceman on October 04, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
I see the trash has come to this thread .
Please just ignore him
All he wants is to argue and ridicule .
If no one feeds his need for conflict he will get board and go away .
gary
I reported your personal insults to the moderator. It just goes to show what a person you are. And as for your "technical" comments, these are pure garbage, just like you, because you have no idea what are you talking about.
Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.
Yeah. Great science and discoveries. Go on, invent more. I wonder why you bother when your "aliens" are coming in a couple of days and will give you all this technology on the plate.
I was told that you have a few different profiles to make more noise with your nonsense. This is now being checked out, just in case. or should I just say: hi pink floyd?
The fact that wizardofMars has eloquently demolished this subject and only received similar treatment from you and monkey, instead of some answers on his quite relevant and pertinent questions shows how little you have to say about any subject. As soon as someone asks a good question or competently points out at things that are pure nonsense from elementary scientific point of view you and alikes start personal insults and trashing.
Ok, pink floyd, or monkey, or resonanceman, or whatever are your names in this forum. Show us more of your colorful language. That is all you have to contribute anyway.
@jeanna
You are fabricating an HHO welder?
Make sure
1.) you generate enough LPM of gas to get through at least 1 bubbler/flashback supressor AND create a steady flame... those sputtering tiny needlepoint rock melters on youtube probably won't cut it for this application.
2.) Bubblers are filled and checked regularly (they not only prevent flashbacks, they also filter out much of the inevitable liberated electrolyte)
3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.
I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...
Hi!
@All
Maybe you have seen it already. But there is a couple of links of a guy that made something with rods that relates to electrinium I think.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" ;Video 01
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true"%20style="width:400px;height:326px"%20allowFullScreen="true" ;Video 02
Jesus
The power of any chemical reaction is expressed when the electrons are being transferred from one atomic neculei to the other. An endothermic reaction draws heat in from the surround. An exothermic the opposite. In either case there is energy flow either to a condensed field or expanded field. Why should we care which way it is going as long as it results in a flow of energy going through our systems that are setup to experience this flow. Oxidation of hydrogen results in more energy in less space. It is an implosion. Yet while the electrons are being exchanged their kinetic energy is expressed on the field resulting in electromagnetic heating of the unreacted oxygen and thermal expansion of the gas. You take hydrogen and ignite it in a test tube with mostly hydrogen in there and it sucks air into the tube. The point being is that you imparted energy into the surrounds. You run a car too rich and you lose power.
Unfortunately I am not wired or do not know how to control my nervous system electrical pulses to influence anything beyond the normal muscle contractions. If I could first thing I'd do is make everyone some free food housing clean fuel and let everyone know their life is important and needed.
Quote from: hypersoniq on October 09, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
@jeanna
You are fabricating an HHO welder?
Make sure
3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.
I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...
good ideas.
Actually I am still just trying to figure out how to rearrange the shed so I have a safe way to do this.
I was planning to make it with a double bubbler (sounds a little like Macbeth)
I like the foot switch idea.
I contacted one company to sell me a welder because I really like to weld, but I got no reply. I don't want to force anybody to scam me, so I tread lightly with this.
I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.
jeanna
@Sparks, those are kind sentiments in the end. I am not sure I follow what you are saying about Oxidizing Hydrogen. I was actually thinking it was reducing (hydrogenizing - I think) Oxygen?? but, I will accept what you say. I didn't think burning H
2 was implosive, just burning HHO as "Brown's gas".
But, whatever it is, the point I was trying to make is that it is the internal atoms of the base metal that fuel the fire for the transformation. Maybe you are saying the same thing and I just don't understand.
But, I think this is off topic. I apologize to the thread.
Quote from: wizardofmars on October 09, 2008, 07:38:54 PM
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.
2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.
3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.
4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?
5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).
1. Your guess is as good as anyone's... my guess is it's a pen name for someone who had an idea but lacked the ability to see it through. If the document was written in 2080, I would be more concerned...
2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?
3. Obviously someone re-typed it, maybe stripped out useful formulas and/or interjected their own spin on some of it.
4. Possible likely candidates for who re-typed it and added their own stuff.
5. Where's the question here?
Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it?
Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.
I got something of value from it, probably not what the author intended, but enough to send me on my way to chase down my version of the concept...
Whenever you read a document that mixes "beliefs" and science, BLOCK OUT THE SPIRITUAL STUFF AND RE_READ IT !!!, The same goes for the people more into the spiritual side of things, block out the science and re-read it...
You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)
Quote from: jeanna
I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.
Spot welding with low pressure is ok for a demonstrator or proof-of-concept, but to do what you want regarding electrinium will require a steady flame. intermittent heat does not promote uniform internal crystal structure (think voids, lattice mis-matches and fissures)
Hello all
sorry, i have not read yet this topic (and all the others) since 29-09-2008, i will do that soon with a lot of excitement !! keep going ! :D
i will be back on the track in the next days, i will get much free time in winter with many feets of snow outside
don't worry i am ok
Hi!
Forgive me for asking and forgive my ignorance on the matter. But, does anybody know where to get the electrinium rods this guy is talking about?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true
Jesus
Howdy Nievesoliveras,
Isn't that the elemental rod guy? I think I have seen his video before. Don't know where to get the rods, I think he made them...
Edit: Yeah found the videos, here you go...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403
Blessed Be...
Again a little off topic but light going through a prism and falling on gold creates plazmoids. This technique is used for dna analyses. It seems that the charge seperation as a result of this technique lasts significantly longer than the exposure of the gold to the light. It's like charging a capacitor with light. Now if this happens with infrared wavelengths we could have a nice infrared to voltage converter. For some reason those copper clad pyramids come to mind.
@Drannom
welcome back!
Have you ever tried introducing a magnetic field during your crystal synthesis?
Possibly a pulsed torroidal coil to replace the mixer.
Hi!
@Zmonkey
Thanks!
Jesus
Sparks do you think Infrared can be collected in an antennae system-[parabolic ?] and focus to a collector ?
Chet
The problem with shortwavelength conversion to electrical is the antennae size. The creation of these plazmoids is interesting in that it represents a direct conversion of wave energy into electrical energy. I believe that the impostion of the "demodulated" light wavefield onto the metal results in wave interference on the surface of the metal that is condusive to electron release from the metal atomic lattice. The ionized atoms stay in the surface of the metal while the electrons form a seperated electron cloud outside of the metal. This electron cloud seperated from the ionized metal atoms lasts up to 4times the length of the light signal. This charge seperation could act as a voltage scource to drive an external circuit designed at much lower frequency. This is basically the disintegration of the plazma which stored the light catalyzed energy.
If the same mechanism is employed but optimized for the infrared spectrum we have a continual heat to electrical converter. I invision pyramid crystals grown on the surface of a gold foil then an n substrate and second conductor foil.
Quote from: hypersoniq on October 09, 2008, 09:48:47 PM
2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?
Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it? Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.....You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)
Google shows no match with "850 north 28th street springfield oregon 97477" for me. There is a 850 28th St Springfield, OR 97477 however. Maybe someone could pull the records on that propety.
As for not caring where it came from - by your criteria, there are millions of random documents out there and you'll never get through them all. Figuring out if they came from a credible source (or some anonymous writer who was then 'reinterpreted' by a second anonymous writer) is important.
Quote from: wizardofmars on October 10, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
As for not caring where it came from - by your criteria, there are millions of random documents out there and you'll never get through them all. Figuring out if they came from a credible source (or some anonymous writer who was then 'reinterpreted' by a second anonymous writer) is important.
Wizard
Who is it important to ?
gary
Hello
in fact a agree for sure that Brown's Gas seems a perfect way to melt easily two metals, a furnace might not be required anymore ! yeah
like steel-gold or steel-platinum, the steel and the (gold or platinum) is the body as well as the compound, so it's a molecule with an atom ! remember the easy way : the compound is the body !
i imagine to use Brown's Gas and then let the 2 metals crystallized while cooling slowly and putting a lot of volts at low current, and, hit them with physical shocks to turn the compound in the right direction while crystallizing, in electrinium there is an analogy of that with magnets
Z-Monkey has said
QuoteDrannom has said that the Alum Crystals that he grows convert the super light into visible light.
in fact alum pyramid convert super light in ASTRAL lights, not visible, those astral lights look like 3d shape geometric forms around the crystal, and there is bleu and green astral light coming out like a smoke over it, and much more....
my point is that all crystals are reflecting super light in astral light, very few are converting super light in electricity
QuoteDrannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally. Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.
to get half of a sphere a have to let dissolve a pyramid under a vortex propeller, it work, and that will not help us in electrinium at all, hahahaha
to get electrinium, i am better try the easy way than the mental way, try and try again....
koen1 has said
QuoteMr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
thinking like this proove that you have not understand the electrinium at all, cause it's the compression of 2 atoms or molecules in a space shorter than normal that cause the electrinium to emit more super light than normal matter, normal matter is all in equilibrium, compression break the equilibrium
breaking this equilibrium produce electricity and fire in the universe
koen1 it is not the electrical charge of the atom, it's the difference in the weight of the atoms compressed in a shorter space.....
so the iron will not be the same with silver than with gold or platinum,
iron neg gold pos, or, iron pos and silver neg
i will not comment everything i read up to now, i hope to focus only on the electrinium
there is many easy way to find, for example if the compound is not harmonically tune the electrinium may produce heat instead of electricity
i think that egyptian used electrinium in water to produce torch with no smoke !
now i go to sleep with my dear wife and dream about how to find gold or platinum, and then ask to one of my friend to provide me some Brown's Gas
Hi!
@All
I know that you are a very special kind of people and very intelligent. But my question is:
Besides showing that you are a knowledgeable person. Anyone has made any experiment with the fabrication of the electrinium?
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 11, 2008, 11:12:14 AM
Hi!
@All
I know that you are a very special kind of people and very intelligent. But my question is:
Besides showing that you are a knowledgeable person. Anyone has made any experiment with the fabrication of the electrinium?
Jesus
We are a special kind of people?
Does that mean we get to compete in the Special Olympics?
;D ;D
Just kidding
I know that the what you said was said with respect .
To answer your question .
I don't have the money right not to spend on testing any of these ideas .
I would hope that by the time my money situation gets better we have a good plan for a proof of concept experment that won't take a $500k machine to test .
So far my plan is to test my power bead that I posted a while back.
As far as HHO if it can be shown that it cooks the oxygen out of quarts it would be a good way to get silicone ready for combining with other stuff .........but I don't see a good way to run lots of curent through the material while heating it with HHO
gary
I believe that nature assembles macro atoms. They are called plasma. This is basically huge #'s of ions and electrons that have formed a structuring whereby the electrons circulate about the assembled proton mass. I think Drannom assembles one when he makes his pyramid crystals. I believe what we know as atoms are just plazma children. And the Universe is still giving birth to plazma balls like the Sun from halo shaped plazma fields of immense proportions near the assumed center of the Universe.
Anyway the creation of a substance that allows for a vectored flow of electrons not atomically entrapped would radiate high energy electromagnetic waves. As soon as electrons are moving in a vectored fashion faster than light is able to pass through the same field different forms of energy are manifest. Like the light around an atomic reactor vessel filled with heavy water. Drannom's crystals are cool anyway you look at them.
While I am fully immersed in my particular area of exploring this concept on the cheap, I may have come across a particular reason for the high voltage needed for electrinium...
Now I know I am dealing with a completely different crystal structure (Rochelle Salt) but... in any of the known piezo-electric crystals out there, compression releases electrons... there is a reverse reaction that will deform a crystal when high voltage is applied, it's known as "Electrostriction", and that's actually common to ANY dielectric material, to varying degrees of deformation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostriction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostriction)
The resultant strain is irreversible. (even if you change voltage polarity).
Right now my biggest challenge is finding a cheap, readily-available source of boron nitride (expensive stuff based on preliminary searches... best so far is $40 USD for a 1lb sample of 98% pure hexagonal BN powder)
I think I will let this electrinium thing continue on without mixing in my own crystal cell idea...
but since I don't have a working prototype yet it's going in half-baked ideas for now.
thanks A.P. Summera for the inspiration!
good luck
Quote
PVDF has a glass transition temperature (Tg) of about -35oC and is typically 50-60% crystalline. To give the material its piezoelectric properties, it is mechanically stretched to orient the molecular chain
s and then poled under tension. PVDF exists several forms: alpha (TGTG'), beta (TTTT), and gamma (TTTGTTTG') phases, depending on the chain conformations as trans (T) or gauche (G) linkages. When poled, PVDF is a ferroelectric polymer, exhibiting efficient piezoelectric and pyroelectric properties. These characteristics make it useful in sensor and battery applications. Thin films of PVDF are used in some newer thermal camera sensors.
Isn't this starting to sound a little like plastic electrinium?
gary
Edit
OOppps
It looks like I hit modify rather than quote . ......and modified my post out of existence .
It looks like this could be ideal for the Piezo capacitor thing .
I found this by following links to wikipedia piezoelectricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity
In 1969, the strong piezoelectricity of PVDF was observed by Kawai et al. The piezoelectric coefficient of poled thin films of the material were reported to be as large as 6-7 pCN-1: 10 times larger than that observed in any other polymer.
Hi!
@Gary
I have an information that I bought on Ebay about a plasma hydrolyzer and because I dont have any money I will help you with that information in order that you can get the energy that you need for your HH0.
Jesus
The file is too big for this site standards. I tried Mediafire but it freezes and stop responding. Please advise.
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 11, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Hi!
@Gary
I have an information that I bought on Ebay about a plasma hydrolyzer and because I dont have any money I will help you with that information in order that you can get the energy that you need for your HH0.
Jesus
The file is too big for this site standards. I tried Mediafire but it freezes and stop responding. Please advise.
Jesus
Thanks but I am not ready to work on a HHO generator ..... It is on my to do list but it is not near the top .
gary
Hi!
It Is ok. Just wanted to help.
Jesus
Quote from: sparks on October 11, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
I believe that nature assembles macro atoms. They are called plasma. This is basically huge #'s of ions and electrons that have formed a structuring whereby the electrons circulate about the assembled proton mass. I think Drannom assembles one when he makes his pyramid crystals. I believe what we know as atoms are just plazma children. And the Universe is still giving birth to plazma balls like the Sun from halo shaped plazma fields of immense proportions near the assumed center of the Universe.
Anyway the creation of a substance that allows for a vectored flow of electrons not atomically entrapped would radiate high energy electromagnetic waves. As soon as electrons are moving in a vectored fashion faster than light is able to pass through the same field different forms of energy are manifest. Like the light around an atomic reactor vessel filled with heavy water. Drannom's crystals are cool anyway you look at them.
Thank you Spark, i do not deserve so much, your theory seems to be ok for me !! crystals are a more perfect space in the chaos ! so a sort of plasma among chaostic micro plasma !
this morning i wake up with the feeling, that we have to find an easy way, without gold and platinium, so i agree with those one using the silver-iron compound, to produce that compound is not so hard, or find and old batterie silver-iron too,
QuoteThroughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure
Electrinium Compound.
i have the feeling that we can find a lot of way to compressed an alingned this compound, and Resonanceman is on the right track to find it !!
the easy way must be the cheap way too, so iron-silver yeah
and this quote to explain why an electrinium is not like an electret
QuoteElectrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
Quote from: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 08:46:57 AM
We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately.
I remember reading that but it didn't fully sink in .
Doesn't that imply that we need to get the electrinium from batterys or make batterys to get it ?
I can see how melting 2 metals could make some of it but for the most part I don't think that the 2 metals would combine atom to atom like that
gary
Hello Resonanceman
i think the easy way is to make the iron-silver compound by ourselves, with a peice of iron a piece of silver and Sodium Cyanide in water, everyone will find it easy to do, just read the texts below
then you'll get an exact iron-silver compound from a kind of chemical battery to transfert one atom to join the other
that is the very first step, and when we will get our iron-silver compound we will have to play with it
the compression is done by the high voltage as well as the alignment, we need to put this iron-silver compound in something like epoxy, or whatever to play with it
QuoteChapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side. We will assemble them in a standard battery form using separators cut to size from and old battery. A five inch square glass refrigerator jar could be the case. We can compound our electrolyte from distilled water and Sodium Cyanide, compounded to a density to provide a circuit of conductivity of two and a half volts resistance reading on the voltmeter mounted within the circuit. This battery can be fabricated very easily at a very low cost. A few hours of use will produce enough Electrinium Compound to make one or more Units.
Chapter 11
ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL OF A UNIT
The first question you will ask is, “What is the electrical potential of an Electrinium Unit?†That
cannot be answered truly until a test is run on the Unit for voltage and amperage. However, we
do have some figures from which an estimate can be made and a study of the storage battery will g ive them. We are using the same materials that were used in the storage battery, the only difference is in the way they are put together and used. During the process of producing the Compound through the discharge-charge process did your battery really get discharged or charged? Every bit of energy that left it had to return to it. Every bit of energy you passed into it passes out of it. How could it become discharged? What really did happen during this process ? By using a glass case you could watch the buildup of Silver-Iron molecules on the surfaces of the plates as it discharged, and as you charged it by forcing a current through it backwards you could see the Silver-Iron molecules as a milky substance being forced from the plates and sinking to the bottom of the case.When the plates have been cleaned of the Silver-Iron molecules in the charging cycle the battery is fully charged. This first cycle of discharge charge has completely used up the top layer of atoms on the positive and negative plates and has exposed a whole new layer of atoms ready for the next cycle, and so it goes from cycle to cycle until your plates are used up in the production of compound molecules from single atoms.
When your circuit was closed, a Silver atom, using the electrolyte as a pathway of conductivity went over the gap between the plates and united with an atom of Iron and became a Silver-Iron
molecule. This molecule is a greater force surrounded by a lesser force. This force moved out,
traveling the full circuit and returned to its Silver-Iron body. The newly exposed Silver atom
which did lay beneath the first is now exposed for action but it now faces a compound molecule
of much greater force than it contains and this greater force blocks passage and further action cannot take place until the compound molecule is removed by a so-called charging action. When the force of every Silver atom is blocked by a compound molecule the battery is fully discharged. To find a basis from which to figure the electrical potential of an Electrinium Unit let us observe a single Silver atom of our Silver-Iron battery as it makes its circuit. As it crossed the gap to join the Iron atom it used the electrolyte as a pathway which had two and half volt resistance in electrical conductivity. If the energy flowing in the circuit had been used it could have lit a two volt bulb before it re-entered the battery and returned to its metallic body. The energy expended by this Silver-Iron molecule is equal to seven volts, of which five were expended within the battery because the electrolyte must have more resistance than battery output and this force crossed the gap twice.
Quote from: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 03:25:09 PM
Hello Resonanceman
i think the easy way is to make the iron-silver compound by ourselves, with a peice of iron a piece of silver and Sodium Cyanide in water, everyone will find it easy to do, just read the texts below
then you'll get an exact iron-silver compound from a kind of chemical battery to transfert one atom to join the other
that is the very first step, and when we will get our iron-silver compound we will have to play with it
the compression is done by the high voltage as well as the alignment, we need to put this iron-silver compound in something like epoxy, or whatever to play with it
Drannom
I know that the PDF says Sodium Cyanide
Any idea if other things could be used for electrolight?
I know that if handled wrong Sodium Cyanide can give off cyanide gas.
I don't think that epoxy is hard enough or able to take high enough temperatures .
The epoxy I am familure with can't handle anything over 180 F
Iron by itself is not hard enough to make a strong permanent magnet ......
gary
QuoteI don't think that epoxy is hard enough or able to take high enough temperatures
Sure it will not, i try to imagine, cement , or whatever to maintain the compress aligment, the body must keep the compound (silver-iron) in place, so we will have to play a lot to find some easy ways to do this
this might be done without cristallizing and without heating, isn't it ?
i am pretty sure that someone somewhere will find an easy way to mixt some iron-silver in a sort of epoxy-cement (or whatever) and put high voltage with low current on a very thin part of the mixture, (1 milimeter) and release the voltage after the solidification of the mixture
we may be able to get some compressed aligned connection with the compound inside a solidifation, a cristallization or whatever else
i just say that the first step is to get iron-silver and we need Sodium Cyanide and now the question is where can we find or make our Sodium Cyanide ?
and we will have to take care to know exactly how safe it is, Summmera said that it is very easy to make the compound, so we will have to find a sort of body to get the unit completed
i have already a silver spoon ! and iron is everywhere around me, now Sodium Cyanide! yeah
this stuff is not exactly cheap
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLS3736
Quote from: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 05:15:45 PM
this stuff is not exactly cheap
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLS3736
well expensive indeed, 185 $ for 2.5 kilo
is the formula correct ? NaCN ? then there is some eminence here to find a way to make our own NaCN, there must be a sort of chemical reaction to do NaCN
thank you resonanceman, not cheap yet, we may find a way to synthetise it, heuu i hope
Quote from: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 05:54:07 PM
well expensive indeed, 185 $ for 2.5 kilo
is the formula correct ? NaCN ? then there is some eminence here to find a way to make our own NaCN, there must be a sort of chemical reaction to do NaCN
thank you resonanceman, not cheap yet, we may find a way to synthetise it, heuu i hope
check in your local phone book for electroplating shops
maybe you can get just enough to run some tests .
Quote from: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 06:11:37 PM
check in your local phone book for electroplating shops
maybe you can get just enough to run some tests .
Wikipedia answers a few questions .
Why only sodium cyanide is named and why care must be taken when using it .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyanide
gary
Thank you Resonanceman !
HCN + NaOH â†' NaCN + H2O
in fact we want just to do a little mini electrinium to proove the concept, so, i will need indeed just a few of NaCN, some grammes, i understand almost perfectly the way electrinium use NaCN to create the iron-silver compound
now we are all at the first step to create the iron-silver compound, then the body will be to imagine, and i have a lot of imagination
in few days i hope someone will tell us the way he realise it, and when many will get iron-silver compound then thre will be many many experiment to do with that, i have already all the ability to generate high voltage at low current,
someone said before in this thread to try to use glass to be the body of the compound, if the body is not a cristallized body then it may be possible to make some connection to compress and align iron-silver inside any type of mixture, imagination will help
ok Resonanceman, i have a new feeling ! we better buy directly a silver-iron battery if there still some one to sell
many of us wonder how to find and old silver battery in the way to extract from it the silver-iron compound, and, i have the idea to simply buy one of them, so i will perform a search and probably find nothing, someone else may provide us a link to order those ordinary silver-iron battery
and then we will get for sure our compound, here i have a lot of old battery, i have no way to know which one get silver in it, may be someone else will find such a battery and show us a picture, M Summera seems to say that there is a lot of those silver-iron battery, so just buy one of them, then discharge completly it, then collecte the coumpound inside, this will be the cheapest sure way to go
so, instead of Sodium Cyanide, i will try to find a link....
and...i have found notihng, research still in progress
Hi!
There is a process for obtaining cyanide from algae or from hard shells. I dont have the link. But I read it somewhere on the internet.
Jesus
Quote from: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 07:16:09 PM
ok Resonanceman, i have a new feeling ! we better buy directly a silver-iron battery if there still some one to sell
many of us wonder how to find and old silver battery in the way to extract from it the silver-iron compound, and, i have the idea to simply buy one of them, so i will perform a search and probably find nothing, someone else may provide us a link to order those ordinary silver-iron battery
and then we will get for sure our compound, here i have a lot of old battery, i have no way to know which one get silver in it, may be someone else will find such a battery and show us a picture, M Summera seems to say that there is a lot of those silver-iron battery, so just buy one of them, then discharge completly it, then collecte the coumpound inside, this will be the cheapest sure way to go
so, instead of Sodium Cyanide, i will try to find a link....
and...i have found notihng, research still in progress
I found lots of silver zinc batterys
I don't think that anyone makes silver iron batterys .
If you are willing to pay the extra money for silver you are going to also pay the money for the other metal that will give the highest performance .
gary
Hi!
Cyanide can be gotten from a lot of sources.
"Cyanide is used in tempering steel, dyeing, explosives, engraving, the production of acrylic resin plastic, and other organic chemical products (eg: historically: formic acid). The less toxic ethyl acetate (C4H8O2) has now largely replaced the use of cyanide in insect killing jars. Hydrogen Cyanide is also being used for capital punishment in gas chambers in six US states, all of which have other options available.[citation needed].
Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries, apricots, apples, and bitter almonds from which almond oil and flavoring are made, contain small amounts of cyanohydrins such as mandelonitrile (CAS#532-28-5). Such molecules slowly release hydrogen cyanide.[4][5] Some millipedes release hydrogen cyanide as a defense mechanism,[6] as do certain insects such as some burnet moths. Hydrogen cyanide is contained in the exhaust of vehicles, in tobacco and wood smoke, and in smoke from burning nitrogen-containing plastics.
100 g of crushed apple seeds can yield 219 mg of Amygdalin which can generate ~10 mg of HCN"
The article that I read talked about how to poison fish with cyanide made from crushed sea shells.
One way of obtaining the silver salt is by chemically disociating the silver from the Tin/Silver solder and joining it to iron salts.
Jesus
so let's go with
Sodium Cyanide or with
old silver battery, i was talking about iron-silver battery and i may be wrong, i do not know their name, the iron-silver compound is the result of the discharged battery
here the master Summera
QuoteThroughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure Electrinium Compound.
so what was the exact name of the battery he is talking about ?
Quote from: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 08:11:26 PM
so let's go with Sodium Cyanide or with old silver battery, i was talking about iron-silver battery and i may be wrong, i do not know their name, the iron-silver compound is the result of the discharged battery
here the master Summera
so what was the exact name of the battery he is talking about ?
he seems to be talking about all of them
But he also says that the elements in the electinium must all be in harmony so most of the batterys are probably not usable .........
I do think you had a point when you said OLD silver battery ......the battery industry looks to have become a little to standardized .
gary
gary
Quote
If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery
and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery
need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets
of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side.
He says IF we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery
then he goes on explaining how to make one.
gary
QuoteThroughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure Electrinium Compound.
Resonanceman
from my point of view you are right, a lot of them are ok, the good one will get iron-silver compound as the result of discharging the battery (i suppose?)
2 easy way to get the iron-silver compound, the most sure should be with the Sodium Cyanide method
so i will go to sleep, and may be tomorrow we will find some Sodium Cyanide easily, or with great luck and old silver battery
good night
Quote from: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 09:03:03 PM
He says IF we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery
then he goes on explaining how to make one.
gary
yes, thank you Resonanceman, so now let's create a silver-iron battery !
with many heads there are much more ideas to understand the electrinium better
:D
Quote from: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
yes, thank you Resonanceman, so now let's create a silver-iron battery !
with many heads there are much more ideas to understand the electrinium better
:D
Anyone know how to tell if a ring is made of silver ?
gary
Hi!
The silver almost always has a number inside the ring. 404 I think.
Jesus
Hi!
It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 01:16:04 PM
Hi!
The silver almost always has a number inside the ring. 404 I think.
Jesus
Jesus
There is a number
It is hard to read it looks like 920
Do you know if there is a place I can look up what the numbers mean ?
Quote
It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.
Why do you think you are not welcome?
I am not sure that this is the best place to post your energy reciever . .. but I would like to see more about it ..
gary
Hi!
@Gary
I think that the number must be sought on the internet it coul be right but I am not shure.
There are many aleations. But must always when it has a number inside it is silver.
Just recheck on the internet.
Jesus
Hi!
The capacitors are 100uf 100v and 473z 25v. The diodes are 1N34. The antenna is a ferrite rod with about 15 turns of bifilar 22awg. Only one side of that antenna is connected and from it there is a connection to the clamp of an aluminum lamp I use on my desk. The ground is attached to the aluminum window with a 26awg.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 05:48:45 PM
Hi!
@Gary
I think that the number must be sought on the internet it coul be right but I am not shure.
There are many aleations. But must always when it has a number inside it is silver.
Just recheck on the internet.
Jesus
Thanks Jesus
I would have already tried to run a search but I have no idea what to search for other than "numbers inside a ring "
gary
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
Hi!
The capacitors are 100uf 100v and 473z 25v. The diodes are 1N34. The antenna is a ferrite rod with about 15 turns of bifilar 22awg. Only one side of that antenna is connected and from it there is a connection to the clamp of an aluminum lamp I use on my desk. The ground is attached to the aluminum window with a 26awg.
Jesus
Jesus
Does it work in a similar way to one of these on this link?
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/reac.htm
gary
Hi!
I took the idea from this video:
Hi!
I took the idea from this video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0
And modified it to get energy. But I cannot use it for the purpose I made it. It just fill the capacitors and when you try to use it it just gives a spark with the volt value stored and nothing more. Then you wait a few minutes and it replenish.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
Hi!
I took the idea from this video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0
And modified it to get energy. But I cannot use it for the purpose I made it. It just fill the capacitors and when you try to use it it just gives a spark with the volt value stored and nothing more. Then you wait a few minutes and it replenish.
Jesus
Jesus
I remember seeing that video before .
There is at least one thread that talks about it here
I don't have any idea where it is.
If you enjoy playing with it .......try longer antenna wires .
gary
Quote from: singerxyz on September 02, 2008, 05:41:20 AM
This was so interesting, I thought it would be good to post- not exactly "Sun" energy, more like Central Sun Energy.
Tell me what you think...
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf
Hello All, i know there is a lot of skeptics about the Central Sun, in the electrinium.pdf there is a way to convert some super light from this Central Sun, up to now we are only at the beginning, trying to make the Electrinium Compound, we have learned a lot, we have to reread electrinium.pdf again and again to fully understand it, the link on the Super Light complete the theory
this quote explain where we are right now
QuoteIn the first step in producing this new source of energy two elements must be alloyed
into a compound substance and this substance shall be called “ELECTRINIUM COMPOUND.†In the second step when the Electrinium Compound is encased within a very hard body and the electric bodies aligned in a series to produce an electrical unit similar to the magnetic unit the unit shall be known as the “ELECTRINIUM UNIT. “ The finished Electrinium Units will then be cut and sawed into platelets and the platelets ground to a thickness to produce a standard voltage: then assembled into batteries of various sizes to fit all occasions. All these batteries regardless of size shall be known as “ELECTRINIUM BATTERIES. “
i just want to make the Electrinium Unit, in fact just a little one, less than one milimeter long, it will be much more easy
i think it may be possible without cristallizing, and i can be wrong
anyway, we have to wait that someone find some Sodium Cyanide to buy somewhere
Gary found a link, we may find others links
this is all i find today
CyPlus Canada vend et distribue les produits de cyanure (NaCN et KCN) qu’au Canada et majoritairement dans un rayon de 500 km du terminal de Cadillac. La matière première, le NaCN en briquette est fournie par une usine de Degussa aux Etats-Unis. Degussa adhère aussi à la Gestion responsable. Cy Plus Canada n’a pas d’activité hors frontière.
NaCN Cyanure de sodium
CyPlus Canada Inc.
Cadillac, Quebec
CANADA
the good part is that is in Québec, so i might be able to order it by phone !
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 01:38:41 PM
Hi!
It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.
Jesus
Howdy Jesus,
Sure your welcome here.
All opinions are valid on a public forum.
I built that circuit with the germanium diodes.
Mine didn't get close to that voltage...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
@Gary
Using longer antenna cables will only make that the spark get bigger and will destroy the components on the circuit that it were connected. Just imagine a 1000volts across a small motor of 12volts. Even though the electricity will be just a momentaneous spark. The motor will be destroyed.
@zmonkey
Thank you zmonkey. I built the circuit as the video said and only gave 0.15volts. Then I saw other circuits and saw the ground and the antenna connections. It ocurred to me that the antenna could be the way that a joule thief is made. So I added a ferrite rod with approximately 15 turns of bifilar and the circuit produced all that voltage, but no current.
I saw your hubbard coil presentation on another thread. Good work!
Jesus
Hello
the next video is suppose to be on the electrinium, this is the only one on youtube, someone gave us that link in the Hutchison topic
he start with alkaline battery ???, can we get other compound than iron-silver in old battery ? i do not think so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZNoNPI3hc
i have not see it completly yet, and the comments may help us to see where we are
Hi!
That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!
Jesus
I decided to keep pursuing my original goal. !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!
Hi!
This information talks about the
PREPARATION OF SEED CRYSTALS
The idea is to grow a small perfect crystal around which you will later grow a large crystal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED
Substance to be crystallized
Distilled or demineralized water
A shallow dish (e.g., Petri)
Heating plate or stove
Fishing line (1 to 2 kg strength)
A small wood rod (e.g., popsicle stick)
Optional:
a magnifying glass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
How much substance you have to work with (weigh on a balance).
The solubility of the substance in water at room temperature. (Obtain from a chemistry reference book.)
It would also be useful to know the solubility of the substance at elevated temperatures.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU DO
Warm about 50 mL (1/4 cup) of water in a glass container.
Dissolve a quantity of the substance to produce a saturated solution at the elevated temperature.
Pour the warm solution into a shallow dish.
Allow the solution to cool to room temperature.
After a day or so, small crystals should begin to form.
Remove some of the crystals.
With a magnifier select a beautiful and transparent small crystal.
Tie the seed crystal with the fishing line by using a simple overhand knot.
Suspend the seed crystal in a shallow (1 to 2 mm deep) small volume (about 1 to 2 ml) saturated solution (for example, in a cover or a Petri dish) for some time (1 to 2 days).
Check with the magnifier that the seedling crystal is well fixed to the line by its beginning growth. This step is very important because one can lose several days of growth if the "beginning growth" is not regular or not along the structure of the seedling crystal. It is worth checking properly before going on with the regular crystal growth.
this information is taken from: http://www.seawhy.com/xlseed.html
Jesus
Hi!
I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 08:44:49 AM
Hi!
That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!
Jesus
I decided to keep pursuing my original goal. !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!
Hello Jesus
i have try to put 4 messages in the youtube video (electrinium), they appears only today, then i have answer 4 reply and the replies are not yet on the youtube
i do not think that any battery will give some compound, may be some of them, it is a long way to try others compound, he talked about cadium nickel
i think we have to try the easy way, and the easy way is to produce our iron-silver compound by ourselve, and then we will be sure to have something working, we have to build a silver-iron battery in the way to create silver-iron compound, this is the first step to do
i think that only few people can really focus long enough to understand electrinium.pdf, for myself i will have to reread it for the sixth time, and now i am sure to know where i want to go
just a little of silver, a little of iron and a little of NaCN and i will get enough iron-silver compound to create a mini micro little electrinium without crystallization
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 06:39:40 PM
Hi!
This information talks about the
PREPARATION OF SEED CRYSTALS
The idea is to grow a small perfect crystal around which you will later grow a large crystal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED
Substance to be crystallized
Distilled or demineralized water
A shallow dish (e.g., Petri)
Heating plate or stove
Fishing line (1 to 2 kg strength)
A small wood rod (e.g., popsicle stick)
Optional:
a magnifying glass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
How much substance you have to work with (weigh on a balance).
The solubility of the substance in water at room temperature. (Obtain from a chemistry reference book.)
It would also be useful to know the solubility of the substance at elevated temperatures.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU DO
Warm about 50 mL (1/4 cup) of water in a glass container.
Dissolve a quantity of the substance to produce a saturated solution at the elevated temperature.
Pour the warm solution into a shallow dish.
Allow the solution to cool to room temperature.
After a day or so, small crystals should begin to form.
Remove some of the crystals.
With a magnifier select a beautiful and transparent small crystal.
Tie the seed crystal with the fishing line by using a simple overhand knot.
Suspend the seed crystal in a shallow (1 to 2 mm deep) small volume (about 1 to 2 ml) saturated solution (for example, in a cover or a Petri dish) for some time (1 to 2 days).
Check with the magnifier that the seedling crystal is well fixed to the line by its beginning growth. This step is very important because one can lose several days of growth if the "beginning growth" is not regular or not along the structure of the seedling crystal. It is worth checking properly before going on with the regular crystal growth.
this information is taken from: http://www.seawhy.com/xlseed.html
Jesus
thank you Jesus , that might help, only at room temperature, i do the same in my youtube videos, i have put all my technics to grow perfect potassium alum crystal pyramid
and the first step to play with the electrinium is to create a silver-iron battery to collect our iron-silver compound, after this i do not expect me to cristallize silicon at very high temperature !
so i will create an electrinium unit with glue or cement or whatever else, and it will be just less than one milimiter, so it will be easier like that, the concept is to compress and align 2 atoms or molecules with high voltage at low current and keep them permanently like this
Superlight come from all around us, with the compresse zone you catch more superlight, the alignment will convert some superlight (not all) in electricity
we are at the first step iron-silver compound
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
Hi!
I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.
Jesus
Hello Jesus, studying electret is interesting, the theory is well known, and we know exactly where the static electricity come from, it may help someone to understand electrinium.....electrinium does not collect static electricity, electrinium is collecting superlight
the youtube video on the electrinium show me that nobody seems to have gone far away in the process to create iron-silver compound with a silver-iron battery
i may be the first to produce this video, and then the electrinium concept will progress
first ? : do the iron-silver compound, and make a video to show to the other how to do it
second ? play with the compound and try many experiments with it
why i am repeating myself ? heuuu i do not know hahahha
see you soon, i wonder how far they are in their own forum on the electrinium, i bet that they are not far away as the youtube video, and this youtube video is not the beginning at all, it is a speculation on the cadium-nickel compound !!
HI!
@drannom
I like to help others to achieve their goals. Because, helping others, I help myself. If someone succeed makes the world better and by some thing I dont understand yet, I am inside the world.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2008, 07:18:14 PM
HI!
@drannom
I like to help others to achieve their goals. Because, helping others, I help myself. If someone succeed makes the world better and by some thing I dont understand yet, I am inside the world.
Jesus
Hello Jesus
i respect your positive mind, we need a lot of good will to overcome the NWO itself
many inventors have been killed or threated, and a lot of disinformation is going on
so, as a good warrior, i have to take part in this war for the freedom of humanity
JFK himself as a prim minister has been killed ten days after calling for the people to fight against secret societies, so, i obey, i go to war, i have gone through many french forum, and the destiny bring me here, with my poor english, and this time, i do know why, there is a need for more soldiers to fight in the war for the true truth, in memory of JFK and all killed inventors.
i am like you, i keep good intention, and try to serve for the human race
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
Hi!
I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.
Jesus
Electret is not a battery, it is a capacitor. And "electrinium" is not a battery either. It is a joke. Silver (or any other, for that matter) sludge cannot hold any charge because it is a result of discharge in a battery. It would need to be recycled or converted back to it's original state in order to be able to produce electricity.
You are wasting your time on this.
Hi!
@drannom
Keep being as good as you are!!!
@drtesla
I have read somewhere that electret is so good that it recharges itself.
About the electrinium.
The electrinium even if it is not true, it can be done.
The world is made of something that when you desire to build a new creation, it just needs quorum to allow you to get what you and a group wants. That matter or substance or whatever name it has is so powerful that some people have invented some incredible stories about the existance of some situation that at the moment are not true, but it is desired by a group and that force just allow it to become a reality.
So, even if the electrinium is not a reality now, with group desire an experimentation it can be done.
From now on just bring positive thoughts if you are addressing me.
Thank you for your comments.
In this one about that force I cannot be wrong though.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 08:44:49 AM
Hi!
That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!
Jesus
I decided to keep pursuing my original goal. !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!
Hi Jesus, the elctrinium is formed by the atoms bonding to form molecules during the electrolysis process. What I am suggesting us that elctrinium sludge has been used in standard batteries (alkaline etc) for years, only the molecules are not in alignment and that is why the battery only produces a small voltage 1.5v . When the molecules are completely in dissarray the dipole collapses and the battery becomes "flat"...most standard batteries are also open circuit when the alkaline solution (conductor) dries and is absorbed by the carbon.
Drannon it's me from youtube! Glad you like my video :) do you mean there is another video going around with a different name? It is the only one I made, if it doesn't have my handle someone copied it lol
Great to see so many "electrinium students" all lining up to create a continuous stream of thoughts!
Stop by mytube and say "hi" if you get a moment...
Matt
Quote from: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
I found lots of silver zinc batterys
I don't think that anyone makes silver iron batterys .
If you are willing to pay the extra money for silver you are going to also pay the money for the other metal that will give the highest performance .
gary
I read that any atomically bonded pairs of metals will do the job, certain pairs are suited to certain applications thats all, maybe silver-zinc will work just as well and is cheaper than silver!
Matt
Quote from: Drannom on October 15, 2008, 06:40:55 PM
thank you Jesus , that might help, only at room temperature, i do the same in my youtube videos, i have put all my technics to grow perfect potassium alum crystal pyramid
and the first step to play with the electrinium is to create a silver-iron battery to collect our iron-silver compound, after this i do not expect me to cristallize silicon at very high temperature !
so i will create an electrinium unit with glue or cement or whatever else, and it will be just less than one milimiter, so it will be easier like that, the concept is to compress and align 2 atoms or molecules with high voltage at low current and keep them permanently like this
Superlight come from all around us, with the compresse zone you catch more superlight, the alignment will convert some superlight (not all) in electricity
we are at the first step iron-silver compound
Hi Drannon, I think you will need more than two atoms! The voltage drop across each molecule is typically about 1 (one) volt. Having said that, atoms are pretty small theoretically (since no-one has actually ever seen one) so 1mm of electrinium might still produce a reasonable voltage.
The radiant energy is direct electrical energy that comes from our sun!
I think "superlight" comes from God ;)
Regards,
Matt
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 16, 2008, 08:56:10 AM
Electret is not a battery, it is a capacitor. And "electrinium" is not a battery either. It is a joke. Silver (or any other, for that matter) sludge cannot hold any charge because it is a result of discharge in a battery. It would need to be recycled or converted back to it's original state in order to be able to produce electricity.
You are wasting your time on this.
You would think someone going by the name of "Tesla" himself would know better!
lol
Matt
Hey! If no-one makes a silver-iron battery maybe now would be a good time to start....?
Matt
Hello all !
welcome mrcharisma !
in less than one milimeter there will be near to 1000 or more of iron-silver layers
it will need 7000 volts and more to aligh and compress this little electrinium
i wish that you'll create a silve-iron battery to collect your iron-silver compound
that is the sure easy way
the problem with the silver-zinc is they are not harmonically tune, so the device may self destroy or produce heat, heat and electricity, or electricity if you are lucky
get an heating device is not bad at all !
in the electrinium the Central Sun is described as a black hole, it is not all true, black holes are reemitting the Super Light from One Central Sun (the source, god, whatever)
there are as much black hole as galaxies, the real Central Sun is out of our galaxy and transfert energy to black holes hyperdimensionnally, black holes are in fact vortexes, and vortexes can transfert energy from any place, and as easily for each black holes
i see my 4 others comments on your youtube ! good
To Dr. Tesla : yes it sound foolish, exept for those one knowing the existence of superlight, then if you compress (with high voltage) 2 atoms together then they will get more superlight than all the molecules all around them (in equilibrium), they will look like shining superlight, then if you can align 2 of such atoms and compressed them (with high voltage), they will transform a part of super light in electricity, it will work only if the 2 atoms allow the flow of electricity in their normal form
Quote from: mrcharisma on October 16, 2008, 10:06:22 PM
Hey! If no-one makes a silver-iron battery maybe now would be a good time to start....?
Matt
Welcome mrcharisma
Its nice to see another person here .
gary
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 16, 2008, 10:55:20 AM
I have read somewhere that electret is so good that it recharges itself.
About the electrinium.
The electrinium even if it is not true, it can be done.
The world is made of something that when you desire to build a new creation, it just needs quorum to allow you to get what you and a group wants. That matter or substance or whatever name it has is so powerful that some people have invented some incredible stories about the existance of some situation that at the moment are not true, but it is desired by a group and that force just allow it to become a reality.
So, even if the electrinium is not a reality now, with group desire an experimentation it can be done.
From now on just bring positive thoughts if you are addressing me.
Thank you for your comments.
In this one about that force I cannot be wrong though.
Jesus
Sorry, I'll ty again, with all the positivity I have, but you must work with me here too. It's no use being positive and constructive if the listener isn't understanding you: Electret is a capacitor. Electrinium is a joke. Sludge of any material is not a charge holding material. Sludge in this case is a spent material and as such it has given away its charge, and by default it cannot hold charge any more.
You cannot use sludge to make a battery. Might as well use a handful of mud. Playing with cyanide will only reduce you to a dead corpse. If you manage to squeeze it from apples in the first place...that one was a good one. Made me laugh a lot. Cyanide from apples...Try almonds or better yet, peach kernels. You won't succeed because cyanide evaporates quickly and you would need large quantities of kernels pressed to capture some of cyanide in a liquid before it evaporates and makes you sick, or even kill you (subject to quantity used).
But good luck. Experimenting is sometimes better learning process than listening.
Hi!
@all
Believe it or not. We have a great group of believers now. Even drtesla is important in this great process. Because he will point out some realities that are important.
Everybody is welcome to unite our thoughts to get the greatest force of the universe moving on the right direction, and that direction here is to obtain an electrimium battery. Specifically we want a battery that is energy as a magnet is a magnet.
Jesus
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 03:15:46 AM
Sorry, I'll ty again, with all the positivity I have, but you must work with me here too. It's no use being positive and constructive if the listener isn't understanding you: Electret is a capacitor. Electrinium is a joke. Sludge of any material is not a charge holding material. Sludge in this case is a spent material and as such it has given away its charge, and by default it cannot hold charge any more.
You cannot use sludge to make a battery. Might as well use a handful of mud. Playing with cyanide will only reduce you to a dead corpse. If you manage to squeeze it from apples in the first place...that one was a good one. Made me laugh a lot. Cyanide from apples...Try almonds or better yet, peach kernels. You won't succeed because cyanide evaporates quickly and you would need large quantities of kernels pressed to capture some of cyanide in a liquid before it evaporates and makes you sick, or even kill you (subject to quantity used).
But good luck. Experimenting is sometimes better learning process than listening.
Finally, another sane person. ;)
Hi!
@koen1
I know that you love to experiment with electrinium like batteries!!
Good Job!
You are a very sane person!
Jesus
Hi!
@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 12:04:08 PM
Hi!
@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.
Jesus
Jesus
In my opinion a lead acid battery might be the worst choice .
Both positive and negative plates are lead.
The stuff that they add to the lead is what is actually making the battery work
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on October 05, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
sm0ky
Are you assuming that what you know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things?
Is there any possibility that what you were taught about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?
One of the things that I like about the " theorys " in the PDF is that they strongly imply the unity of all .
I have found in my own life that there is an invisable connection between all things .
Much of humanitys problems are because in general we don't believe in that connection.
gary
@ Gary,
im not saying that the ideas suggested in the .PDF are not "possible". Some of the things said there "can happen" under the right circumstances. I'm just saying the guy that wrote that doesnt know what hes' talking about, yet he seems overly motivated to present this nonsense to the world. i can't help but wonder why.. it does get us thinking along a different track, so in that sense its a good thing he wrote it.
It's apparent that he has not much more than a basic textbook understanding of the atomic structure and is misleading in the way he tries to describe it.
It is likely that this writer 'borrowed' the ideas from someone else, to create this .PDF file,
if that were to be the case, then seeking the original theory on the subject would be much more benificial than reading this obscure FE propeganda - which in and of itself does nothing to further our cause.
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 12:04:08 PM
Hi!
@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.
Jesus
@ jesus,
growing the crystals in a permanent magnetic field may achieve the same result, without the need for a live coil running for several hours.
also, an EMF through the metal compound will perform 2 additional functions - 1 it will charge the compound, and 2 it will produce a non-constant magnetic influence throughout the substance, as a result of minute fluxuations in the current flow. Both of these factors will affect the electron alignment of the crystal structure.
To overcome these effects, you would need to have a rediculously large field strength (depending on the mass of the compound) say: 0.87T AT the point of the compound, which would be a 2T electromagnet placed rather close to the project. (which creates its own problems...)
This is why perfect crystals are so expensive...
while not 100% perfect, the crystals COULD BE grown in side a cylinder magnet, or a stack of ring magnets for a much safer / cost effective result. Think about the polarity of the magnetic field with respect to the direction of electron orientation that you want to achieve
additionally this would allow you to control temperature/humidity factors that are also necessary part of crystal formation.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on October 17, 2008, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just saying the guy that wrote that doesnt know what hes' talking about, yet he seems overly motivated to present this nonsense to the world.
SmOkey
The part of your post that I quoted is exactly the wrong kind of thing to write if you want me to respect your views .
I am sure you have a good education in these areas .
I am sure you believe that you know enough to make these kinds of statements with with convection .
It is not your intelligence or your honesty that I question . I question the education that you received .
Are collages supported by big energy ? my answer is YES .
Does big energy use there influence in collages to have the curriculum " tweaked ?" My answer is YES .
If the curriculum is tweaked to explain away the possibility of OU would you know it?
My answer is NO . They have been doing this sense at least Teslas time . The curriculum has been fine tuned over many years .
Has technology related to energy grown at the same rate as other technologys? My answer is NO . The tweaking of the truth has made progress almost non existent .
The fact that you say it is nonsense or impossible means nothing to me.
In my opinion a small part of your education was actually brainwashing .
It may take someone like me that you can honestly think of as ignorant to see the real possibility's .
As far as the PDF .
My opinion of it is that it was probably written by someone that worked on Electrinium in some way in the past . The technology was suppressed or used only in secret areas .
The first part of the PDF tells me that the author looks at the bigger picture about life.
He would have felt very bad about electrinium being kept secret .
It may have seemed to him that it was his biggest sin.
An anonymous PDF placed on the internet might have been the best he could do to relieve the guilt . I know that if I had proven energy technology and wasn't sharing it with the public I would feel like I was killing my grandchildren .
I might be wrong about this stuff . My education is not that good , but I have learned a few things outside of school .
I will continue to work on Electrinium no matter what the " experts " say .
gary
Hi!
@gary
Thank you for the information about the lead batteries. I will need now to make another decision about the electrinium source chosen.
@sm0ky2
You said that "growing the crystals in a permanent magnetic field may achieve the same result, without the need for a live coil running for several hours." and "...the crystals COULD BE grown in side a cylinder magnet..."
My question is:
I will put magnets aligned north(+) south(-) for the compound molecules to get aligned as the earth alingment of poles. I mean the compass north, points to the earth magnetic south, and the compass south points to the earth magnetic north.
Am I correct? Or the magnets go the other way around?
I am self taught and did not study theories.
Jesus
seriously look into filtered respirators and Cyanide Antidote Kits (Sodium Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate ) before continuing on the Cyanide path...
cheapest antidote kit I have seen was over $400.
and don't work alone! have someone far enough away to be clear of the cyanide (in ANY form) but near enough to come administer the shots if needed.
the zero point energy molecule !
copper atom collects/stores positive charge.
iron atom collects/stores negative charge.
polymer MAGNETICALLY connects copper and iron.
but ELECTRICALLY disconnects them.
so that coper/iron may charge up, but not short each other out.
two ZPE molecules connected in parallel, increases amperage.
two ZPE molecules connected in series, increases voltage.
if you place a stick of copper,
and a stick of steel,
into a cup of elmers school glue,
than EVERY ATOM on the surface of the copper/steel, counts as a ZPE molecule!
but since the above ZPE molecules are connected in PARALLEL, only amperage stacks!
while voltage stays the same.
that is why i get mroe amperage, for more metal surface area. yet nothing, for more metal mass.
what someone NEEDS to do, is make a crystal lattice.
where each molecule in the crystal lattice, has 1 copper, one iron, held apart by a third atom.
(carbon or silicon?)
to melt glass, ancient people just built a brick/stone oven, and fed fule into it.
the heat built up inside the oven, just like electricity builds up in a capacitor.
until there was enough stored heat in the oven, to melt silicon dioxide into glass.
Quote from: mrcharisma on October 16, 2008, 10:03:00 PM
You would think someone going by the name of "Tesla" himself would know better!
lol
Matt
And what are you refering at? Can you be more speciffic?
Kiddo, make sure you get me on something real. I am happy to take the flack for my errors. No one is perfect. At least, if I say something stupid, 'llI admit it. Those "working" on a battery reconditioning process here (and call it so esoterically electrinium...how passe'...) would never do that.
'Coz in essence this whole electrinium thing is about re-conditioning the sludge to hold the charge again. In case you and them haven't noticed. And that has already been discovered and studied by scientists long time ago.
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?
And what the rat's hat is new about that? In fact, why are you even bothering opening an alkaline battery and playing with the chemicals (which could harm you as well and almost all of enthusiasts here admit not being educated even in basics of sciences needed for such games advocated here. I mean cyanide...come the flack on. Like it is a simple affair to get it, let alone protect yourselves against it...)
Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).
Safely, simply and quick. No messing around with apples to get the cyanide (hell, I cannot stop pissing into my pants on that one!!!!! ), collecting the sludge into cans, growing tomatoes and crystals (hydroponically I gather) and so on.
And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".
One just can't make happy everyone I guess...
.......the irons atoms magnetic field,
is conducted through the "covalent bond chain" of the polymer/glue.
the iron atoms magnetic field, then "interacts" with the copper atoms diamagnetic field?
how does the "electron magnetic field" of the iron atom,
interact with the "diamagnetic field" of the copper atom??????????
kosol ouch said something about this.
but i think he used a powerful magnetic field from a sinoid coil,
to interact with bismuths strong diamagnetic field?
bismuth works much better than copper.
......the copper atom has more "etheric pressure", than the iron atom?
so the coppers higher ether pressure, is conducted through the polymer/glues covalent bonds, into the iron atom?
is the coppers diamagnetism, and the irons ferromagnetism, related to etheric pressure????
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 11:23:47 PM
And what are you refering at? Can you be more speciffic?
Kiddo, make sure you get me on something real. I am happy to take the flack for my errors. No one is perfect. At least, if I say something stupid, 'llI admit it. Those "working" on a battery reconditioning process here (and call it so esoterically electrinium...how passe'...) would never do that.
'Coz in essence this whole electrinium thing is about re-conditioning the sludge to hold the charge again. In case you and them haven't noticed. And that has already been discovered and studied by scientists long time ago.
Dr Tesla!
What you are saying can be easily done (recond. the sludge to hold charge again) by replacing the electrolyte and putting the batteries back on a charger...
NO, the whole electrinium "thing" is about realinging the bonded pairs of atoms in the sludge in series so that the voltage stacks up to produce a continuous charge, and fixing those pairs with a hard permanent substance to create a permanent battery that never needs charging (once it is aligned) and never discharges.
The energy for this charge is garnered from the electrical eneregy the sun emits constantly.
Which it receives in turn from a larger central sun at the center of our galaxy!
The electrical energy from the central sun acting at "right angles" to the energy of our solar sun interacting with the earth's natural magnetic fields is what we call "gravity". It seems to me that the technological understanding in the PDF surpasses our current understanding of technology which is why some people are struggling to come to terms with it. I know this is true because at present not every household has their own working antigravity model yet. Although without a doubt these things will be not only possible but commonplace in the near future.
I learned at college that to be a good student was not to "reproduce" the things I was being taught but to keep an open mind so that learning could be facilitated easily. A closed mind just limits one to the current set of "facts" being presented to it. Of course these facts are not really facts they are just what we have been led to believe is the truth.
If truth is your goal then at least we are on the same team specifically eh kiddo ;)
Matt
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 11:50:05 PM
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?
And what the rat's hat is new about that? In fact, why are you even bothering opening an alkaline battery and playing with the chemicals (which could harm you as well and almost all of enthusiasts here admit not being educated even in basics of sciences needed for such games advocated here. I mean cyanide...come the flack on. Like it is a simple affair to get it, let alone protect yourselves against it...)
Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).
Safely, simply and quick. No messing around with apples to get the cyanide (hell, I cannot stop pissing into my pants on that one!!!!! ), collecting the sludge into cans, growing tomatoes and crystals (hydroponically I gather) and so on.
And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".
One just can't make happy everyone I guess...
...because it is fun to learn new things I guess LOL
Matt :)
Quote from: nitinnun on October 17, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
the zero point energy molecule !
copper atom collects/stores positive charge.
iron atom collects/stores negative charge.
polymer MAGNETICALLY connects copper and iron.
but ELECTRICALLY disconnects them.
so that coper/iron may charge up, but not short each other out.
two ZPE molecules connected in parallel, increases amperage.
two ZPE molecules connected in series, increases voltage.
if you place a stick of copper,
and a stick of steel,
into a cup of elmers school glue,
than EVERY ATOM on the surface of the copper/steel, counts as a ZPE molecule!
but since the above ZPE molecules are connected in PARALLEL, only amperage stacks!
while voltage stays the same.
that is why i get mroe amperage, for more metal surface area. yet nothing, for more metal mass.
what someone NEEDS to do, is make a crystal lattice.
where each molecule in the crystal lattice, has 1 copper, one iron, held apart by a third atom.
(carbon or silicon?)
to melt glass, ancient people just built a brick/stone oven, and fed fule into it.
the heat built up inside the oven, just like electricity builds up in a capacitor.
until there was enough stored heat in the oven, to melt silicon dioxide into glass.
Dear nitinnun,
I love your work and your theories on the copper iron battery. Maybe you are on your way to producing an simplified elemental rod generator? One rod charging positively and the other negatively to produce a natural potential difference...
Matt
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 11:50:05 PM
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?
Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).
Dr.T, how does one go about recharging a crystal?
http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
Matt
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 11:50:05 PM
And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".
One just can't make happy everyone I guess...
ha ha that's life! what you give is what you get....
at least you are erring on the safe side, lol
(just my little joke)
Matt
mrcharisma,
If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor. Sludge cannot serve that purpose because you have already taken the charge (free electrons) out of it and forced the molecules to bond with molecules of other material into a new chemical material. Sludge is inert electrically.
And no cental sun in a galaxy far far away, or around the corner, can change that.
Think of an acid and a caustic liquids. Both "charged" with strong abrasive/ dilluting characteristic, but if you mix them together, they cancel each other out and combine into an inert, harmless compound.
Sludge doesn't have any free electrons to move around and as such cannot produce electricity. Electricity is a flow of free electrons, not of aligned atoms and/or molecules. You can only get those back from your sludge if you re-condition it. If you turn it back into the original state - separate the two chemicals used to produce the flow of free electrons and return them into their pre-charge state in order to combine them again in the battery to produce electricity.
If you make electrinium work, or think you can, show us the chemical reaction formula for that proces. If it is possible, it can be expressed as a chemical reaction. And none of methods in the pdf make any sense from that point of view. Cyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.
Just as adding water or beer won't separate caustic and acidic liquids.
I do not remember seeing any of these in the pdf file. Surely there will be a good reason for that.
Hi!
This thread has become very interesting now that we have a good quorum.
Thank you nitinnun for joining us!
I have a question for mrcharisma. Are you a relative of mattblythe?
Thank you all for being trying to solve the elctrinium mistery.
Jesus
QuoteIf you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor
align and COMPRESS
QuoteCyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.
NaCN is only to get the first compound of iron-silver
Dr. Tesla please reread the electrinium, obviously you have not get it
from electrinium
QuoteThe rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.†Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.
QuoteThe only difference between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron, the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.
QuoteLet us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units.
this topic is for those one believing that superlight can be tune in 2 atoms compressed and aligned with high voltage, and maintain like this with cristallized process, skeptics are welcome to receive the quotations i will provide to them from the electrinium
hey Jesus, magnets will not help doing electrinium unit, it is the high voltage
Hi!
@drannom
Thanks. Did you see the work of nitinnun?
He says that a crystal lattice is needed. Do you know how to make that?
Jesus
Yes i appreciate very much whatever Nitinnu said
there is many inventions to study, crystal Reid, elemental rods, glue cell, and pyramid power, all of this seems to be a way to catch some superlight
for the skeptics, how to believe in super light
begin with this and and answer your questions then
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html
Skeptics are welcome, except for those who have not reread electrinium, and except for trolls, agents of disinformation, and all other name we call them, they work to keep humanity enslaved, the NWO kill inventors, Illuminatis and hybrid-reptilians are among us, most of them are human, claim to know everething and fake to know nothing, they will replace any inventor or mind-controled them
so, the first step is to create a silver-iron battery in the way to collect iron-silver compound, and then play with it
Jesus ! i will focus only on electrinium
and many posts are just, out of topic, even if there is a correlation with electrinium
i will strat a new topic, probably, only to focus on the iron-silver battery and get the silver-iron compound
or i will move back to the steel(carbon-iron)- (gold or platinum) compound, cause in this case the compound is also the body of the electrinium unit
the first step is to create silver-iron battery
and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium,
if you not, you will look like an idiot, still talking about everything but not about electrinium
i will not get NaCN soon, i will not get an old silver-iron battery as well
so i will take 2 rods, one silver and the other of iron, and shoot a lot of great sparks through them, and try to align some iron-silver molecule
the Reid crystal proove that we are on a good path, the Reid crystal is not enough powerfull as an electrinium will be
so i focus on the electrinium
Hi!
@drannom
Among other things SuperLight is the prime activating energy in the universe.
I did not know that it was called Superlight.
Jesus
my biggest scientific asset, is not my logic.
it is not my linear thinking ability.
i am too right brain dominant, to be good at those two things.
my biggest scientific asset, is my intuitition.
my ability to think in non-linear.
my ability to understand the general picture.
my ability to make connections between 2 important pieces of information.
the things that i type, are sometimes from my personal research/experience.
but most of the time, are from a "feeling" that i get.
a feeling that it is somehow very "important".
what i say is "likely" to be correct on the general, and incorrect on the specifics.
in my experience, the general is usually what inventors have the most trouble solving.
if "you" can recognize the true things in what i say, than you might just have the information that you need, to solve that unsolvable problem that is in your way.
and complete your invention.
why do you want to use silver-iron, instead of copper-iron?
is it only because silver-iron, is what the author used?
copper is much easier to get.
much cheaper.
i got much more amperage, and even more voltage, from bismuth-iron, than copper-iron.
yet copper is so much easier to work, that i use copper.
by the way. for some reason, steel (iron-carbon), works better than an iron nail (iron).
it is because the carbon in the steel, is diamagnetic? while iron is merely ferromagnetic?
i assumed that diamagnetism and paramagnetism had something to do with it.
because bismuth is more diamagnetic than copper.
and what was why bismuth worked better than copper?
atomic weight is set.
so i take it there is no way to increase atomic volume as well?
to increase electrical charge?
if the lighter element is always positive,
than why is bismuth the positive, and steel the negative????
bismuth is atomic weight freaking 83. while iron is only 26 !
so why is the bismuth positive, and the iron negative??????????
....running electricity through the crystal lattice, forces copper atoms and iron atoms to align with each other?
such as:
Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe ?
john hutchison said that he ran electricity through his cells, when they were still molten.
he must have done it, to force the positive elements to align with the negative elements!
.....is that "superlight" really "anti-light"?
do blackholes emit anti-light?
and this anti-light is sucked into suns?
like the light of the sun is sucked into a blackhole?
the negative on a battery, is not an energy void.
the negative on a battery, is full of negative counter-clockwise spin.
this negative energy leaks out of the negative terminal, and into the positive terminal on the battery.
positive energy (clockwise spin), and negative energy (counter-clockwise spin), seem willing to go right through each other.
they only mix together when they are both inside a 3rd thing.
inside physical matter.
the ZPE molecule "catches" both light and anti-light?
and the insulating polymer keeps them from mixing?
what material in the ZPE molecule, catches the light and anti-light?
Hi!
@nitinnun
Your thoughts are to profound for me. But you are right. I need to grasp the meaning of your words in order to get the answer to the problem that is stopping the progress of my invention.
Jesus
Quote from: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
atomic weight is set.
so i take it there is no way to increase atomic volume as well?
to increase electrical charge?
if the lighter element is always positive,
than why is bismuth the positive, and steel the negative????
bismuth is atomic weight freaking 83. while iron is only 26 !
so why is the bismuth positive, and the iron negative??????????
Hello Nitinnun !
the questions in the quotation above can be answer by reading the electrinium.pdf, in your theory you expose 2 different metals not melted, in the electrinium the 2 different metals are melted, so it might not react the same, or just at the opposite
about your other posts: wowwwww, you brain must be supra conductive, well done !
a lot of questions, i can barely answer half of them
so let's take them one by one
you can find many answers by reading all this topic, all the electrinium, and the Superlight link, and some of my previous post since 3 months
the tricks with the lectrinium is to align and compress, compress is very important cause if the 2 molecules are at the same density as before, then it is not good at all
your idea to use copper is good, we just not know if it will work cause of the harmonic between copper and iron, or copper and steel, if the molecular frequency of the pair sounds bad like a bad harmonic then the compound may heat or destroy itself
to catch superlight you have to melt the 2 atoms or molecules in a shorter space as normal in a normal melting, then you break the equilibrium existing among all other atoms or molecules of this universe, so the compound will get more density than normal and create is own pressure
Quotewhat material in the ZPE molecule, catches the light and anti-light?
anti-light is superlight according to the superlight link, i will not repeat the quotation from the link, every atoms or molecules catch superlight, it comes from everywhere
according to electrinium when there is a breaking in the equilibrium then the universe create a flow of electricity or a flow of heat to regain equilibrium, so all the atoms and molecule are constantly trying to exchange energy to regain the equilibrium, superlight come from all black holes and there is a lot of black holes, so superlight come from all around us with a pressure, this pressure create gravity by pushing all things together
Nitinnun, you have pointing out a lot of intelligent questions, i am proud of your theory cause your theory can be explain easily with the superlight theory !
let's say that copper have a different density than iron, while each of them received superlight they catch only a part of it, that is the reason why there is a molecular frequency
if you create your glue cell then each metal will shine different frequency of the superlight, you have to use a resonating system to take advantage of the difference in the frequency, that explain why a glue cell is not very powerfull, it is because of the equilibrium ! copper and iron or whatever are all in equilibrium
is you choose 2 atoms harmonically tune and put them together in a shorter volume than normal, then this compound will shine more superlight than all other things around it
Summera said that a lot of combination will work, why not cu-fe !
the problem is to create the copper-iron compound as the same way the silver-iron compound is done
and do not forget to align and compress, the compound is not align neither compress, all of this is done with high voltage, and create something that the nature itself can not do, i means a forced higher density in the combination
i will try to answer you other questions, for now is all i got
Hi!
@drannom
You can find nitinniun's thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5851.msg132738#msg132738
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 18, 2008, 07:52:04 PM
Hi!
@drannom
You can find nitinniun's thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5851.msg132738#msg132738
Jesus
Jesus !!! thank you...., i read all the Nitinnun's topics, i have post many time in his topics, so you have not read them all at all, i have always try to explain him the frequency of the CW vortex and CCW vortex, from my point of view those 2 vortexes are a second consequence of the superlight hitting them, the molecular frequency of the atom is the same as the vortex coming from this atom, when 2 fields are opposed then there is vortex between each of them, one vortex spin clock, the other sin counter clock, up to me it look like exactly the superlight theory, in our universe energy exchange by vortexes
and, in electrinium, the first step is to choose the compound we want, M. Summera give us some of working combination
silver-iron is the main compound, to create it we have to create first a silver-iron battery
i keep my mind open to other combinations
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 18, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
mrcharisma,
If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor. Sludge cannot serve that purpose because you have already taken the charge (free electrons) out of it and forced the molecules to bond with molecules of other material into a new chemical material. Sludge is inert electrically.
And no cental sun in a galaxy far far away, or around the corner, can change that.
Think of an acid and a caustic liquids. Both "charged" with strong abrasive/ dilluting characteristic, but if you mix them together, they cancel each other out and combine into an inert, harmless compound.
Sludge doesn't have any free electrons to move around and as such cannot produce electricity. Electricity is a flow of free electrons, not of aligned atoms and/or molecules. You can only get those back from your sludge if you re-condition it. If you turn it back into the original state - separate the two chemicals used to produce the flow of free electrons and return them into their pre-charge state in order to combine them again in the battery to produce electricity.
If you make electrinium work, or think you can, show us the chemical reaction formula for that proces. If it is possible, it can be expressed as a chemical reaction. And none of methods in the pdf make any sense from that point of view. Cyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.
Just as adding water or beer won't separate caustic and acidic liquids.
I do not remember seeing any of these in the pdf file. Surely there will be a good reason for that.
Hi MrT,
I hear what you are saying but you are sounding like a text book lesson in electron theory! There is no thinking outside the box. You are saying "if this thing works then make it fit the old model" but the reality is... if this thing works then YOU will have to change your model!
Or change your current way of thinking anyway.
First time I read the PDF I found it very strabge, although I had a good feeling about it. Second time I read it made perfect sense...until I went out into the world and I realised my current thought system could not support this model of thinking. Now having been familiar with the PDF for some time, neither my world nor my thiking are in conflict and YES it still makes sense. Maybe you could try reading it again a bit more carefully? And open your mind to some new ideas...
I do not believe how the "electrinium battery" describes atoms is a chemical reaction.
All atoms have electrons, protons and a natural energy regardless of whether they have been "charged" or not. Bond two atoms of different energetic properties and there is a natural voltage potential (difference in energies) that exists in the relationship between those pairs. Don't tell me ALL molecules therefore cannot have free electrons!!
"Growing crystals!" is just an expression for the way silicon is manufactured for the purpose of integrated circuits! They are not really crystals, just have "crystalline similar" properties. Growing a crystal of silicon is a good way to arrange the atomic pairs into a lattice where they can be "aligned" using a strong current during the molten stage and then fixed in position as the silicon solidifies.
That is my understanding of it anyway, why argue about the theory, why not just go and build one and see if it works? The "permanent crystal battery" suggests that it might. I havn't made one yet so I couldn't tell you if I wanted to...
Water or beer or even piss might help but probably only in the short term :D
Either way it will not stop my research!
LOL
Matt ::)
Quote from: Drannom on October 18, 2008, 07:38:13 PM
according to electrinium when there is a breaking in the equilibrium then the universe create a flow of electricity or a flow of heat to regain equilibrium, so all the atoms and molecule are constantly trying to exchange energy to regain the equilibrium,
This is how I understand it...well summarised thanks
Matt
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 18, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
mrcharisma,
If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor.
I do not remember that being how superconductors are made? Certainly not a room temperature anyway? Do you have a new theory you would like to share with the group?
Matt
Quote from: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 06:05:15 PM
john hutchison said that he ran electricity through his cells, when they were still molten.
he must have done it, to force the positive elements to align with the negative elements!
Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Hi Jesus hows things with you?
Matt
Hi!
@drannom
By the way. The link I put is not the piramid one he had. It is his new one about molecules and lattices. And yes I read most of his postings. For that I dared to invite him to join us on our quest. That is why he is among us now.
@mrcharisma
I am very well, thank you. By the way. I am still waiting for your next video and information. Matblythe you are the best.
Jesus
eventually i decided that there was some critical part of the pyramid, that i was missing.
and i couldn't figure out what it was.
(likely hitting it with the right frequency. or getting 2 copper coils to resonate, like drannon said).
so i lost interest, and did other things.
now i'm facinated with producing a solid state ZPE cell.
and ironically, some of the energy physics that i discovered while contemplating the pyramid, seem to apply to the projects in this thread.
the instant i heard about john hutchisons work, i knew that its energy physics were related to my glue cells.
i think that what he did, was form a "covalent bond chain", that magnetically connects 2 metal atoms.
but does not electrically connect them.
but i think that he made this "covalent bond chain", with silicon atoms.
because in a video i saw, he said that he hunted for "rocks with silicates in them".
which he "mixed with metals".
and mixed with an other unknown substance. which i suspect was calcium atoms and sodium atoms.
(the calcium atoms, would give the cell cement-like hardness.
and calciums paramagnetism, might disrupt the copper atoms protons)
(the sodium atoms, might "cap" the edge of the lattice. making the lattice stable.
and the sodiums paramagnetism, might disrupt the copper atoms protons)
what i REALLY want to do, is use silicon in place of carbon.
to make something similar to this:
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Cu-Si-Fe
this would form a crystal lattice. which would most likely have a very high electrical resistance.
yet would most likely still conduct "magnetism", though the "covalent bond chain" of the lattice.
allowing the above alttice, to work just like a glue cell.
i suspect that calcium atoms and sodium atoms would have to be added to the above lattice.
to "stabilize" its lattice structure.
(to make all the atoms have all of their covalent bonds filled up!)
that special feeling tells me this:
that the more covalent bonds filled up in the lattice,
the more "covalent bond chains" connecting the 2 metals,
the more magnetic conduction between the 2 atoms,
the better that ZPE molecule works!
remember that even the romans could melt glass, but dumping fuel into a simple brick oven.
until enough heat had "built up" in the oven, to melt even sand into glass.
bricks are VERY resistance to heat. especially if you have a thick enough wall of bricks.
i was thinking of a 2 foot long by 2 foot wide by 1 foot high oven. with a small opening inside, to hold the metals and sand.
and a hand held propane torch, dumping heat into the opening.
and a brick or 2 sealing up most of the opening, when the metals and sand are melting inside the oven.
if you moved quickly with thick metal tools, you could remove the brick lid, and remove the molten copper sand sand.
without your metal tools melting.
you would also have to be wearing a leather welding jacket, and a transparent welding mask. to protect your body from the intense heat., for the few seconds that your body is exposed to the heat.
if spear throwing, phalanx marching, providence conquering romans can do it, than so can we!
the iron atoms electrons, generate a magnetic field.
the copper atoms protons, generate a diamagnetic field.
.......in the ZPE molecule:
the irons magnetic field, disrupts the coppers protons?
and the coppers diamagnetic field, disrupts the irons electrons?
one atom is disrupting the other atom, as long as the ZPE molecule is whole?
the disrupted copper and the disrupted iron, share each others density/weight?
causing even more disruptance-generated-electricity?
and what did you mean about these disrupted atoms creating their own pressure?
or could i say that the coppers clockwise spin, is disrupting the irons electrons?
and the irons counter-clockwise spin, is disrupting the coppers protons?
does light from the sun, energize the protons?
causing them to spin clockwise?
and anti-light from a blackhole, energize electrons?
causing them to spin counter-clockwise?
.....i put 2 sticks of copper into an empty plastic glue bottle.
(there was some residual glue on the bottle)
i filled it most of the way with clean ground water.
(no chlorine or flouride-poison in this water!)
i hooked the 2 copper sticks up to a 9 volt battery. and left it that way for an hour or so.
i just checked it. and the water has turned a vived green color.
which tells me that lots of copper atoms have broken off into it.
i disconnected the 9 volt battery, and checked the multimeter.
this litte "monatomic copper vat", was holding voltage and amperage.
so i shorted out the 2 copper sticks for a few second, and checked again.
and the monatomiccopper vat, is recharging itself!
i think there might be a ZPE molecule-like reaction, between the copper atoms, carbon atoms, and the oxygen/hydrogen atoms in the water.
but i'm leaving the vat shorted out for awhile, to see how long it takes this living-dead recharge rate, to go away.
this is the atom allocation that i had in mind.
ironically, the electricity will not be able to travel through the glue, from one terminal to the other.
because the glues electrical resistance will be too high.
it will be the magentism that draws the metal atoms towards the terminals.
only the magnetism of the "charge-up electricity" will travel through the glue, from one terminal to the other.
Hi!
At the moment I do not have any new information. I am just reading old posts and seeking for a spark to ignite my inventive mind.
Jesus
Hi!
@nitinniun
Pardon my ignorance. My question is: What is a ZPE molecule?
I ask because I am trying to understand your posts.
Jesus
Hi!
My mistake. I just found out what does it mean. It is Zero Point Energy.
Jesus
What is proven is that a crystal has the ability to demodulate visible light into it's constituent frequencies. So it acts like a radio demodulator circuit for light, sorting out the different frequencies. If these sorted frequencies are caused to interfere with each other and produce a frequency or interference pattern at a frequency that is very low and is imposed on an antennae that resonates at this lower frequency, we get direct conversion of light to electricity without relying on hit or miss photon collisions with electron collisions as occurs in photovoltaic cells.
I am sure that the same mechanism could be used to demodulate and reconstruct lower frequency wavelengths like infrared to microwave or even megahertz or lower frequencies where resonant circuits are employed to charge capacitors. These crystals would work night and day on any scource of infrared radiant energy like warm sand or warm ocean water. One guy wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle and believes that crystallized methane gas converts warm ocean water to microwaves that screw around with compasses and forms a mini aurora borealis effect. Another guy believes that the pyramids were used to change infrared into sonic oscillations to send the Pharohs to oblivion.
I know this isn't electrinium but while you guys are trying to make crystalline structures it would be worth a thought. Two different crystals. One to demodulate and the other to hetrodyne the demodulated highfrequency emwave into a lower high intensity frequency that is focused on an input antennae to an electrical circuit caused to resonate at the hetrodyned frequency.
i feel tht the people in this forum, make their plans unneccesarily complicated.
their over-complexification sabotages their results.
it makes the results inefficient and harder for others to understand.
and sometimes keeps the results from being discovered, all together.
the best method, is simplicity.
to make something as simple as possible, without losing any of its meaning.
if it is too simple, than add just enough complexity too it, to make it complete.
like this drawing.
Quote from: sparks on October 19, 2008, 04:51:29 PM
What is proven is that a crystal has the ability to demodulate visible light into it's constituent frequencies. So it acts like a radio demodulator circuit for light, sorting out the different frequencies. If these sorted frequencies are caused to interfere with each other and produce a frequency or interference pattern at a frequency that is very low and is imposed on an antennae that resonates at this lower frequency, we get direct conversion of light to electricity without relying on hit or miss photon collisions with electron collisions as occurs in photovoltaic cells.
I am sure that the same mechanism could be used to demodulate and reconstruct lower frequency wavelengths like infrared to microwave or even megahertz or lower frequencies where resonant circuits are employed to charge capacitors. These crystals would work night and day on any scource of infrared radiant energy like warm sand or warm ocean water. One guy wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle and believes that crystallized methane gas converts warm ocean water to microwaves that screw around with compasses and forms a mini aurora borealis effect. Another guy believes that the pyramids were used to change infrared into sonic oscillations to send the Pharohs to oblivion.
I know this isn't electrinium but while you guys are trying to make crystalline structures it would be worth a thought. Two different crystals. One to demodulate and the other to hetrodyne the demodulated highfrequency emwave into a lower high intensity frequency that is focused on an input antennae to an electrical circuit caused to resonate at the hetrodyned frequency.
Sparks
Using your ideas about demodulating energy
Isn't a diode often used to demodulate a radio signal?
In electrinium couldn't the electrinium compound be a demodulator and the silicon/boron the hetrodyning section ?
It seems to me that you are talking about resonance and frequency where the electrinium PDF talks about harmony .
gary
i just realized something important!
i have 2 sticks of steel, sitting in water.
the resistance is a few k-ohm's.
when i charge the 2 sticks with a 9 volt battery, the resistance becomes so high, that it is unreadable!
when i remove the battery, the resistance becomes SEVERAL m-OHM'S!
and then SLOWLY drops back down to a few k-ohms!
polarized water has increased electrical resistance??????
this is very important too me.
because an electrically resistant substance, allows my ZPE molecule to work.
i think the middle-substance would retain its electrical resistance, if its molecules hardened while in the polarized configuration.
john hutchison's cells cooled off while they were polarized by electricity.
so HIS middle substance would harden into the polarized configuration too!
when i used graphite powder instead of glue, there was a much lower resistance between the 2 terminals.
because graphite powder is a conductor.
the voltage was lower.
but the amperage was higher.
the graphite powder was NOT packed tightly. so i was surprised that the amperage was that high.
if lower electrical resistance means more amperage,
than i could get more amperage out of a ZPE cell, by adding conductors to the middle substance?
to sacrifice voltage, for more amperage?
Hi!
@nitinnium
I dont know what is happening because:
I was experimenting with two galvanized screws to see if even being the same would be polarity among them. The thing is that if you use a battery charger and put the two screws inside a cup with a pinch of baking soda, one of the screws will keep the negative polarity always and the other the positive polarity always.
The question here is: Will it be posible to align the atoms on the electrinium battery with a battery charger instead of using high voltage to do it?
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 08:59:49 PM
Hi!
@nitinnium
I dont know what is happening because:
I was experimenting with two galvanized screws to see if even being the same would be polarity among them. The thing is that if you use a battery charger and put the two screws inside a cup with a pinch of baking soda, one of the screws will keep the negative polarity always and the other the positive polarity always.
The question here is: Will it be posible to align the atoms on the electrinium battery with a battery charger instead of using high voltage to do it?
Jesus
i would think that even a little voltage, would polarize.
but the more voltage/amperage you have, the "higher the quality" of the "polarized configuration", of the atoms.
learning that polarized molecules have greater electrical resistance, has caused me to came up with an improved explanation, for the polarized-configuration that i want, in my ZPE cell.
i'm still deciding on the best way to express it, in a drawing.
this improved understanding has me very excited.
Hi!
@nitinnium
Thanks!
Did you know that there is already a postulate for the prize given by the forum?
This is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5864.0
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
Hi!
@nitinnium
Thanks!
Did you know that there is already a postulate for the prize given by the forum?
This is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5864.0
Jesus
Jesus !!
it's only a simulation, why are you saying that!!??
Quotethe best method, is simplicity.
to make something as simple as possible, without losing any of its meaning.
it must be simple to be spread more easily to the world
Nitinnun, you are going at the speed of light, congretulation, you got your fe-cu compound, and yes , has ia said , crystallization may be avoid and replace with a solidification, cement, glue, melted glass, etc ...
Nitinun, if you succeed, then you'll get a more easy way than electrinium itself ! hahahaha
good night
Hi!
@drannom
I said that because under the thread title is wrtten "in overunity prize"
There is another here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5839.0
Jesus
I could be wrong though!
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 10:30:41 PM
Hi!
@drannom
I said that because under the thread title is wrtten "in overunity prize"
There is another here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5839.0
Jesus
I could be wrong though!
jesus !! what are you doing ??
the first link is only a simulation
someone said:
QuoteIf this device works for you and you are feeling generous you can donate money to me through Stephen Hartman.
someone said:
QuoteA waste of time for sure
i agree
someone said:
QuoteIf you perform simulations - I would suggest that you use more sophisticated models
for the relay coils containing C´s and R´s.
In a relay, part of the input energy is used in the switching process - the simulation
program doesn´t account for that.
i agree
Jesus, and now you give us another topic, what are you doing ???
why are you constantly moving us away from electrinium ?
so, i will look at your second link, and i do not know why......................
Edit: i saw the second link, and it was very very dull, all the secret is keep, it seem just to be a lost of tiime, there are many lost of time in this forum
and you Jesus, have make me loose my time....again
ther are some members paid just to make us loose our time, so Jesus !! please take care
and btw, there is many ways to make a topic dull, talking to say nothing, or talking out of topic, etc
Nitinnun !! keep going, you are a very productive member, you make experiment !!
it's much more than only theorize
hope to reproduce your work soon, if you get some result
good night again
Hi!
@all
Forgive me..
I just was trying to share the joy of finding an overunity device, that is supposed to be of concern to everybody.
I was making experiments a few hours ago, with the electrinium in my mind.
Again, forgive my enthusiasm with the idea of having free energy so close in the near future.
From now on I will only post things related to electrinium.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 10:49:33 PM
Hi!
@all
Forgive me..
I just was trying to share the joy of finding an overunity device, that is supposed to be of concern to everybody.
I was making experiments a few hours ago, with the electrinium in my mind.
Again, forgive my enthusiasm with the idea of having free energy so close in the near future.
From now on I will only post things related to electrinium.
Jesus
you can post things not related to electrinium, if you want, you take the risk that i ignore you
and i do not believe you anymore, look at all your posts from the beginning, you promised to stop , and, here you have done it again
i am happy that Nitinnun post here twice, cause there is a relation with the electrinium
good night, again, and i hope to not see another lost of time
here is my updated diagram.
if you add many copper/iron atoms, and mix the middle substance VERY well,
than SHEER PROBABILITY will place the copper/iron atoms, where they are useful.
then you charge up both terminals with electricity.
this polarizes the atoms.
so that all of their positive poles are facing towards the negative terminal,
and all of their negative poles are facing towards the positive terminal.
this way, when the copper/iron atoms "harden" into ZPE molecules, the ZPE molecules will send the right charge to the right terminal
this also causes the molecules in the middle substance, to harden into a pattern that increases electrical resistance.
is it or is it not brilliant?
Hi Nitinnun
so, all you need is to test some way to keep your fe and your cu in place !
the 2 atoms in the solution are free to move, so that is not a compound in the electrinium mean, it is free atoms in the solution, in electrinium the 2 atoms are fixed together in a shorter volume than normal
it is brillant, and Jesus is brillant too, he show me his intelligence in the potassium alum pyramid.....
the only difference with electrinium is that your fe and cu will not be compressed, only aligned, it may work ! with less power than electrinium, and your solution fe-cu is so easy to do, than the less power will be compensate by the big size of the cell, and the easy way may be just like this
so, it will perform as well, if it is working, many experiment to do
anyone can try any combination, any , this model will not need to be harmonically tune, brillant, indeed
i wonder to know, Nitinnun, if you have read the electrinium.pdf ?
with your system you take advantage of the difference in the molecular frequency of cu and fe to produce energy, those two metals are in equilibrium, in the electrinium we want to break the equilibrium in the etheric field with a compressed compound
you do not need to compress, so it will be easier
nievesoliveras,
Try a resonator with diode to your antenna device to see if
this will create a recoil or flyback effect, to charge the capacitors
very quickly, pull energy from the vaccum on demand. Tesla
demonstrated this effect with his "Tesla Switch", and so this
may work with condensors as well.
CREATE A VACCUM!
SM
i'm hoping that the copper/iron atoms will be light enough, that they will stay stuck in their place, in the glue.
sort of like feathers floating on and in water, without sinking to the bottom.
i expect the copper/iron atoms to be locked into place, when the glue hardens.
until then, they just need to float in place, in the glue.
while i expose the glue with heat, to dry it quickly.
......does glue compress when it dries?????
ESPECIALLY when the glue dries from heat?????
could THAT be putting pressure on the metals, as long as the dried glue is whole?????
because the water molecules are exiting the drying glue,
and the carbon/hydrogen atoms are COMPRESSING into polymer strands?
so copper/iron atoms in the glue, would be compressed by the glue?????
one of my key concepts here, is that the atoms are connected by covalent bonds.
H
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Cu-C-Fe
I
H
that the magnetic energy is EXCHANGED THROUGH the covalent bonds.
that there is an unbroken chain of covalent bonds, connecting the 2 terminals together.
or would the cell work best, if there was compression AND covalent bonds?
or would the compression disrupt/destroy, the covalent bonds?
i skimmed over the electrinium PDF.
but i am very right brain dominant. so asking me to read a MASSIVE amount of words, is as slow, painful, difficult, and boring, as asking me to look for a needle in a haystack.
while moving one straw of hay at a time.
with pliers.....
a left brain dominant person seems to move the hay one large bucket at a time.
and they instantly know when the needle enters in their bucket.
because they can hear the needle clink on the metal bucket.
where i can only SEE the needle with my eyes, when i am holding it in my pliers.
after i have purposely picked the needle up.
when most of the atoms covalent bonds are filled with electrons, you have CRYSTALIZATION.
wouldn't it be better to have a stable crystal, that is at peace?
instead of having a compressed mass, that is waiting to burst like a water balloon?
Hi!
@drannom
Seems that I am in too many forums at the same time and I get confused and post things from one into the other.
@sirmikey
I already answered to you on youtube and sent you a booster circuit by email.
@all
I need to straighten up my posts to avoid misunderstandings and to learn what is needed to help others and myself.
Jesus
@resonc
I would have to study the PDF to answer your question. I do know that crystals will create resonant mechanical vibrations due to electrical wave energy input. These vibrations then alter their resistance to a bias voltage at the resonant mechanical frequency. The original crystal radio sets exploited this.
Perhaps electrinium as described in the PDF does convert infrared to a very low frequency output that appears as a dc pulse. It could be that the PDF is describing neutrino kinetic energy conversion to electrical.
Quote from: sparks on October 20, 2008, 01:15:46 PM
@resonc
I would have to study the PDF to answer your question. I do know that crystals will create resonant mechanical vibrations due to electrical wave energy input. These vibrations then alter their resistance to a bias voltage at the resonant mechanical frequency. The original crystal radio sets exploited this.
Perhaps electrinium as described in the PDF does convert infrared to a very low frequency output that appears as a dc pulse. It could be that the PDF is describing neutrino kinetic energy conversion to electrical.
I am leaning toward believing that the superlight theory is correct .
I can't explain my understanding yet . I tried a couple of times and ended up making very little sense ..... My understanding is normaly based on SEEING the connections .
My mind is mostly visual .
Unfortunately it looks like the more I learn about the electrinium PDF the more I see it as a shorthand version of the information . So much is mentioned but not explained.
One thing I am getting from it is that everything is in perfect balance .......every planet atom and electron
gary
Howdy Y'all
How did we get to a copper iron battery?
Element Symbol Atomic Number
Lithium Li 3
Iron Fe 26
Copper Cu 29
Silver Ag 47
Gold Au 79
Plutonium Pu 94
Didn't Mr. Summera say that the difference in mass of the elements making an Electrinium molecule determines its potential difference? If you go with a copper iron battery the difference is only 3 protons. A silver iron battery's difference would be 21 protons. It would be better to go with a larger potential difference, mo voltage. A gold iron battery would have a difference of 53 protons. A gold lithium battery would have a difference of 76 protons. A plutonium lithium battery would have a difference of 91 protons.
It would take experimentation to see if we can get any of these elements to create a stable molecule. I think we need to go for a bigger difference in the atomic weight. I think this is what is determining the potential voltaic difference of the battery function. Also I have made a molecular arrangement which I think is what Mr. Summera was envisioning. Remember that he had stated that the silver iron molecules will not bond to the silicon by them selves. Borozon has to be added to the mixture to convince the silver iron molecules to bond to the silicon atoms. This arrangement is not scaled, I would like to draw it with a 3D CAD program to help people visualize this molecular arrangement. Si=Silicon, Bz=Borozon, Fe=Iron, and Ag=Silver...
+++ +++ +++ Positive
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
--- --- --- Negative
The borozon atoms are a buffer between the metals and the silicon. Remember that silicon is a semiconductor and it needs to be isolated from the conductive stacks of metal atoms, otherwise the battery will be internally shorted out. This is the reasoning for using borozon. Boron is a nonmetalic element which when combined with nitrogen produces a super hard insulator crystal. The borozon will bond with the metals and the silicon. The metals will not bond with the silicon. This creates an insulated corridor for the Electrinium stacks to reside, and the silicon crystal structure is only structure. I would love to do this with atomic scale construction techniques. Build the thing molecule by molecule. Unfortunately we have to work on a larger scale...
OK, Mo Later...
Superlight could well be pure dispersion force or that force which expands all.
Contrasted to that is concentration force or that force which seeks to unite all. These two primordial forces creating reality. Both just as powerful both just as necessary for the survival of the other. For without the light there would be no dark and without the dark there would be no light. Here we are stuck in the middle knowing very little bit about the nature of either.
Quote from: sparks on October 20, 2008, 05:30:40 PM
Superlight could well be pure dispersion force or that force which expands all.
Contrasted to that is concentration force or that force which seeks to unite all. These two primordial forces creating reality. Both just as powerful both just as necessary for the survival of the other. For without the light there would be no dark and without the dark there would be no light. Here we are stuck in the middle knowing very little bit about the nature of either.
Sparks
I am kind of stuck here
I can see that there is a force pushing the planets and atoms out to a certain point.
I can also see that there is an inward pushing . The PDF seems to describe it pretty well .
I can't explain the difference between the inward and outward forces .
I do see that the balance between these 2 forces has created all the universes
all the solar systems even all the atoms .
The fact that electrons jump from one orbit to the next is controlled by the changes in these forces .
But don't forget the observer.
I think especially when you are talking about forces as fine as these you are referring to, you must remember the observer.
IMHO, of course.
I am not suggesting that you should be thinking your electrinium to create itself, it is just that as you are talking about these ultrafine forces and things like superlight, this is the arena of the observer and very delicate.
jeanna
Quote from: z.monkey on October 20, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
Howdy Y'all
How did we get to a copper iron battery?
Element Symbol Atomic Number
Lithium Li 3
Iron Fe 26
Copper Cu 29
Silver Ag 47
Gold Au 79
Plutonium Pu 94
Didn't Mr. Summera say that the difference in mass of the elements making an Electrinium molecule determines its potential difference? If you go with a copper iron battery the difference is only 3 protons. A silver iron battery's difference would be 21 protons. It would be better to go with a larger potential difference, mo voltage. A gold iron battery would have a difference of 53 protons. A gold lithium battery would have a difference of 76 protons. A plutonium lithium battery would have a difference of 91 protons.
It would take experimentation to see if we can get any of these elements to create a stable molecule. I think we need to go for a bigger difference in the atomic weight. I think this is what is determining the potential voltaic difference of the battery function. Also I have made a molecular arrangement which I think is what Mr. Summera was envisioning. Remember that he had stated that the silver iron molecules will not bond to the silicon by them selves. Borozon has to be added to the mixture to convince the silver iron molecules to bond to the silicon atoms. This arrangement is not scaled, I would like to draw it with a 3D CAD program to help people visualize this molecular arrangement. Si=Silicon, Bz=Borozon, Fe=Iron, and Ag=Silver...
+++ +++ +++ Positive
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
--- --- --- Negative
The borozon atoms are a buffer between the metals and the silicon. Remember that silicon is a semiconductor and it needs to be isolated from the conductive stacks of metal atoms, otherwise the battery will be internally shorted out. This is the reasoning for using borozon. Boron is a nonmetalic element which when combined with nitrogen produces a super hard insulator crystal. The borozon will bond with the metals and the silicon. The metals will not bond with the silicon. This creates an insulated corridor for the Electrinium stacks to reside, and the silicon crystal structure is only structure. I would love to do this with atomic scale construction techniques. Build the thing molecule by molecule. Unfortunately we have to work on a larger scale...
OK, Mo Later...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 20, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
copper/iron works well.
bismuth/iron works very, very, very well.
silver is too expensive to be practical. and we NEED it to be practical/simple/cheap.
bismuth is 83.
bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all the stable elements.
(i strongly suspect that diamagnetism and paramagnetism have something to do with the energy physics).
with bismuth, i get about 25% more voltage, and A LOT more amperage.
i still have to try the monatomic sepperation technique, on some of my bismuth.
first i need to wait for the monatomic iron and monatomic copper fats to dry.
and then mix those together.
.......the resistance still decided the amperage?
last night, i had a realization.
that voltage is magnetism that is standing still.
and amperage is magnetism that is moving.
so increasing the resistance in my middle substance, would increase voltage but decrease amperage.
and decreasing resistance in my middle substance, would increase amperage but decrease voltage.
that stuff about the difference in atomin number causing potential, reminds me of my theory about different etehric pressure.
that one metal has more etheric pressure than the other. and this difference causes electricity to form.
what if in my glue cells, there is a little pressure from lots of atoms?
a little etheric pressure due to atomic weight difference?
and a little pressure on the atoms, from the constructing polymers in the glue?
bismuth/iron sounds exactly like what you want.
bismuth is cheap. only $26 for a very pure pound of it.
the author of that PDF is not perfect.
he was giving us "the best that he knew how to do".
it is less constructive to focus on building his limited goals,
and more constructive to focus on improving on his work.
on finding newer, simpler, more effective goals.
and i definitely feel that there is plenty of room for simplification, in the exotic chemcial concoctions that he talks about.
partly because the best things in the universe are simpler things, and partly because i cannot trust the efficiency of a man who cannot effectively communicate his idea's to other human beings.
he could write on and on about smaller details, yet not find the words to fully explain important things?????????
Quote from: jeanna on October 20, 2008, 09:19:22 PM
it is just that as you are talking about these ultrafine forces and things like superlight, this is the arena of the observer and very delicate.
Jeanna
yes it is very delicate .
The hard part is keeping my focus beyond my physical mind .
gary
Howdy Y'all,
Nothing like a crash course in metallurgy...
Element Symbol Atomic Number
Lithium Li 3
Iron Fe 26
Copper Cu 29
Silver Ag 47
Indium In 49
Tin Sn 50
Gold Au 79
Lead Pb 82
Bismuth Bi 83
Plutonium Pu 94
Nitinnun, the bismuth iron battery would have a difference of 57, that's good.
I was thinking about something that is already this type of alloy. Tin Lead solder might provide a experimental starting point. A solder battery? Tin Lead would have a difference of 32 which is even better than the silver iron battery (21).
I have been thinking about how we could polarize the alloy. We make a small wooden trough with two solder terminals. This trough is going to hold a slug of solder. Use a soldering iron to melt solder into the trough, and fill the trough attaching to both solder terminals. Then we apply a current through the slug, remelt the solder while the current is flowing, then allow the alloy to cool while the current is flowing. This should make the solder polarized. If the theory is correct, then the polarized solder should generate a voltage.
I am visualizing a wood trough with solder terminals that are secured to the wood so they don't move when the solder slug is melted. We would have to make sure that the current is uninterrupted during the remelt process.
This method will not produce a product, but it may give us experimental proof of concept...
I am good at soldering, and have the right tools so I give the solder battery a try...
OK, Mo Later...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 21, 2008, 07:18:50 AM
Howdy Y'all,
Nothing like a crash course in metallurgy...
Element Symbol Atomic Number
Lithium Li 3
Iron Fe 26
Copper Cu 29
Silver Ag 47
Tin Sn 50
Gold Au 79
Lead Pb 82
Bismuth Bi 83
Plutonium Pu 94
Nitinnun, the bismuth iron battery would have a difference of 57, that's good.
I was thinking about something that is already this type of alloy. Tin Lead solder might provide a experimental starting point. A solder battery? Tin Lead would have a difference of 32 which is even better than the silver iron battery (21).
I have been thinking about how we could polarize the alloy. We make a small wooden trough with two solder terminals. This trough is going to hold a slug of solder. Use a soldering iron to melt solder into the trough, and fill the trough attaching to both solder terminals. Then we apply a current through the slug, remelt the solder while the current is flowing, then allow the alloy to cool while the current is flowing. This should make the solder polarized. If the theory is correct, then the polarized solder should generate a voltage.
I am visualizing a wood trough with solder terminals that are secured to the wood so they don't move when the solder slug is melted. We would have to make sure that the current is uninterrupted during the remelt process.
This method will not produce a product, but it may give us experimental proof of concept...
I am good at soldering, and have the right tools so I give the solder battery a try...
OK, Mo Later...
you say that copper-iron are only 3 atomic numbers apart.
yet they have worked very well for me.
bismuth-iron works better. but not THAT much better, than copper-iron
it works better with some elements, than other elements.
my experience has been that degree of diamagnetism, and degree of paramagnetism, are important factors.
tin-lead solder would not work. because rin-lead does not have enough electrical resistance.
.
the middle material has to have enough electrical resistance, to keep the positive and negative terminals electrically sepperate.
it is true that polarizing something, increases electrical resistance.
but i doubt polarization would give tin-lead enough resistance, to allow it to work.
i doubt that polarization could give ANY metal alloy enough electrical resistance, to make it work.
that is another reason why we need a substance with a crystal lattice. because a crystal lattice usually has more electrical resistance.
in addition to the greater chemical stability of the crystal lattice.
and all the covalent bonds, through which to conduct magnetism from one terminal to the other terminal.
Howdy Nitinnun,
Well as far as the crystal lattice goes, there is nothing more common than silicon, or silicon dioxide. Glass, quartz, regular sand, or pure silicon all require high temperatures to work with. Drannom is using salts, what about sugar. The melting point of sugar is not that far off from the melting point of soft metals. Candy battery anyone? Well, anyway maybe we can find some insulator which is easier to work with than silicon.
Mo Later...
i'll try making sugar-cells in my kitchen oven, later.
if we built a small brick oven,
and heated it with a hand held torch,
than we might get materials hot enough, to covalently bond.
maybe 1 substance with a lower melting point, could bond to 2 other substances with a higher melting point?
i don't know how that type of chemistry works. i'm just throwing out idea's.
@Drannom
Did you ever employ sodium chloride? Electrodialysis equipment can give you a pretty concentrated stream of sodium and chloride ions. Now you take these solutions and put a thin glass wall between the two solutions and slowly evaporate the water, the ions should be attracted to the glass wall. Problem being is that the elements are so strongly charged they will react with the oxygen or hydrogen in the water and burn at some concentration. Burning saltwater. Hmmmm Well anyway the two cells should become strongly charged as the water is removed. Can this charge resulting from ion seperation pump some electrons around? Anyway this unit starts to look like Electrinium.
Hi Spark
i have never try it, it seems very interesting, sounds like electrinium without alignment and without compression, sounds much more like Nitinnun's theory !
Sparks, i have a clear picture of the electrinium theory cause i have understand this link on superlight
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html
also i have read many books talking about Central Sun, spiritual book
hi z_monkey
according to the electrinium, that is not the difference in weight that we are looking for, we are looking for a difference in density
from electrinium.pdf
QuoteThe rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.†Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.
QuoteThe only difference between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron, the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.
@all
i agree that Summera is not perfect with the theory, he is a follower of Tesla, Summera is good to create an electrinium, like many inventor he is not fully understanding where the energy come from, but knowing how to make it come
Nitinnu
the electrinium is not so long to read, just very long to figure out or imagine
hey, Nitinnun, i suggest you if you fail to try to evaporate the solution with your fe-c-cu-h compound to get sort of sludge, get out the water first
then mixte this sludge with some glue, sugar, or whatever else
then put a high voltage on that mixture while cooling or solidification of the mixture
it's the high voltage that can compress and align to atoms of different density in a smaller space, and something to keep it like this
wellllll in conclusion
so it's the difference in the density , and no matter the atomic weight
best choice are, silver-iron, steel-gold, steel-platinum, and i agree to try to chose anything else !
hahahah see you
i need to know what frequency each element emits.
specifically the frequencies of copper, iron, cobalt, nickel, bismuth, lead, carbon, oxygen, and silicon.
it is very important.
Hi Nitinnun !
i think you are right to use iron-copper cause
from electrinium
QuoteBut if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.
when he says ''lighter'' he was talking about the lighter density, in fact that is not density at all, cause he multiply weight by volume !!!
i can not provide you the frequency of each metal, i can only repeat that you need to calculate the volume of the atom or molecule, and then multiply it by the weight, so from my point of view you need the density of iron and compare it to the density of copper, cause that is the difference that gives the potential, i suspect copper to be less in electrical charge than iron
we know all the weights, then we need to calculate the atomic volume !
(weight x volume) does not equal to the density, but something else ! the electrical charge !
when i was talking about difference in frequency i was not refering to electrinium, i was refering to your theory, now i think that if fact, the same rule of electrical charge (weight x volume) shall be apply to your theory
welll in conclusion, i was wrong talking about density, sorry
Hi!
@all
For the time being I am just the observer.
Jesus
Hi!
Just for reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
Jesus
Hello Folks,
Sorry to chime into this thread but I have seen an interesting patent application mentioned in Naudin's yahoo group and maybe it is of interest for you too. It is US patent application 20080246366:
ELECTRIC GENERATOR
Abstract
Methods, compositions, and apparatus for generating electricity are provided.
Electricity is generated through the mechanisms nuclear magnetic spin and
remnant polarization electric generation. The apparatus may include a material
with high nuclear magnetic spin or high remnant polarization coupled with a
poled ferroelectric material. The apparatus may also include a pair of
electrical contacts disposed on opposite sides of the poled ferroelectric
material and the high nuclear magnetic spin or high remnant polarization
material. Further, a magnetic field may be applied to the high nuclear magnetic
spin material.
You can download from here: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20080246366.pdf
All the Bests,
Gyula
Hello
i have quoted some sentences from the electrinium while i was rereading it, just to think about
COSMIC RADIANT ENERGY
and the
ELECTRINIUM BATTERY
The solid state, high voltage
battery that is electric, like
the magnet is magnetic.
First Printing July 1980
Second printing Aug. 1980
Copyright © 1980
By
Arthur P. Summera
850 North 28th Street
Springfield, Oregon 97477
Chapter 1
COSMIC ENERGY AND NIKOLA TESLA
We will see that the Earth is a living entity and is controlled by the natural laws of the Universe through the four forces of Cosmic energy which are electric, magnetic, gravity and gyroscopic; all of which are products of the Central Sun of our galaxy.
It reveals new laws of the Universe and basic principles which allow man to completely
change in every field of life. This invention is the Electronic Shield by Nikola Tesla. Through new laws of the Universe and new knowledge of Nature discovered and demonstrated by Mr. Tesla has come and will come inventions of greater importance than The Shield. He has laid the basis for the Electrinium Battery, the Gravitational Shield, the Multiple Wave-Length Generator, the life Force Scanner....
Our Earth receives AC current from the Central Sun and DC current from our Solar Sun at right angles to each other. These two forces meeting at right angles to each other create the magnetic field and the force of gravity.
meeting at right angles to each other
This has been further proven by our astronauts who report that outside our atmosphere there is not only weightlessness but that the Sun has no heat nor light and that heat and light occur only after the radiance of the Sun contacts Earthly matter.
Chapter 2
THE POWER OF THE ATOM
The rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.†Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.
Chapter 3
NATURE’S USE OF ENERGY
We know that each atom is alive with electrical force and radiates that force in all directions.
We know that heat causes expansion of atoms which under the law of electrical balance throws the heated atoms out of electrical balance with cool atoms. This will cause electrical force to flow from the cool atoms to the hot atoms. The force given up by the cool atoms must he replaced by their neighbors. This becomes a chain reaction and a circuit of flowing
electricity is established.
This has happened many times in far past ages and ancient records tell of great cataclysm, of walls of water sweeping from pole to pole. Of the Earth shaking the ice fields free from the poles and washing it down over the lands to sweep all life clean of the Earth. There are records of great general earthquakes, the slaking of entire continents and the raising of new ones. Just outside Mexico City are three burled cities built on top of each other. Each was destroyed by a water cataclysm and the following city built atop the old. This shows that the land at that time was near sea level. Today it is seven thousand feet above sea level.
These catastrophes have been accredited to an act of God, but they were acts of nature working
under the natural laws of the Universe. A cataclysm is caused when the magnetic attraction
between the Earth, the Solar Sun and the Central Sun become out of balance. Our Solar Sun being
the closest, pulls the Earth towards it. At the point of twenty-three and a half degrees from the due
north the balance again changes, the Sun loses its power to hold the Earth off center and the Earth
lurches back into position. It is this quick lurch that spills the oceans over the land and swoops it
clean of all life for a new start. The last time it happened it broke all the ice deposits loose around
the North Pole and washed them down over North America. The great Ice Age that was supposed
to have, occurred twelve to sixteen thousand years ago wasn’t an ice age at all. It occurred almost
instantaneously by a cataclysmic action of the Earth. At the same time a great wall of water rushed
from the South Pole over the other side of the Earth, washing all life ahead of it into the Arctic
Ocean. The Arctic Ocean is a graveyard of past life and it happened so quickly that many of bodies
were quickly frozen and when dug up today are in perfect preservation.
Mother Nature is a wonderful mother, but when her laws are consistently broken ski can become
a terrible destroyer. These great catastrophes were not direct acts from the Solar Sun, the Sun only
activates the natural forces stored within the Earth and it only takes a small amount of force from
the Sun to set these forces into action.
The energies stored within the Earth and its atmosphere are electric, magnetic, gravitation and
gyroscopic, all originating in the Central Sun.
Chapter 4
SOLAR RADIATION
Heat and light are both products of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance,
T h e
Central Sun radiates AC current and our Sun acts as a converter and radiates DC current to our Solar
System. Each element of the Sun will radiate energy in its own particular wavelength. An atmosphere
made up of a particular set of elements will have various resistances to various wavelengths.
T h ey believe it to be a substance not yet discovered and defined. The Greeks called
it orgone energ y, the Europeans thought it some kind of a etheric fluid and the Hindu philosophers
called it prana. Today we know it to be AC electrical current pulsating in an extremely high kilocycle
range. The Central Sun is the heart, and its radiance is the blood vessels of our Galaxy.
Through this radiance comes all life and energy for the entire Galaxy.
Chapter 5
NATURE’S STOREHOUSE
Nature has stored great quantities of solar radiation within the crust of the Earth. Each atom carries
its share but certain atoms will give up or exchange energies faster than others. Carbon and other
related elements will hold great quantities of heat energy. Iron and other related elements will h o l d
great charges of magnetic energ y.
Earth that utilizes Carbon Dioxide as a life force receives their
energies directly from solar radiation. All life that utilizes Oxygen as a life force receives their
energies from Nature’s storehouse within the crust of the Earth.
The actual burning process did not produce the heat. The heat was produced by the
freed and escaping electrical forces passing through a field of resistance which was the air that
surrounded the log. Light a candle and watch it burn. The light, heat and flame are out a considerable
distance from the wick. The radiance of any object is a considerable distance out from the object.
Nothing is ever quite as large as we see it because we can see only its radiance. If an object ceased
to radiate we then could not see it.
The tank warms considerably as it is filled to a hundred and twentyfive
pounds of pressure, but when full and the liquid spills out of a small valve, it immediately
frosts up the va l ve. As the tank is filled and the contents come under pressure there is a considerable
flow throughout the tank because each atom under pressure needs greater electrical charge to
maintain its electrical balance. The valve is frosted by cold created by escaping atoms giving up
an electrical charge they no longer require.
Chapter 6
THE MAGNETIC FORCE
For every force in one direction there must be an equal force to the opposite. However, in the
electromagnetic field the two forces are at a ninety degree angle to each other rather than a hundred
and eighty degree angle. This electro-magnetic force is stored in the Earth in great quantities and
both operate under the same laws of the Universe. Up to the time of the demonstration of the
Electronic Shield by Nikola Tesla and his revelation of the true nature of electro-magnetic energy they
were regarded as two separate forces consisting of unrecognized and undefined substances.
The AC radiation of the Central Sun penetrates the Earth in a north to south direction and also
produces a magnetic field within the Earth and this force is stored within the Earth’s core and
becomes the force of Gravity. An AC current alternating at an extremely high cycle will create a
magnetic field that is different from a magnetic field created by direct current. In a bar magnet the
energy flows from one end to the other and then out over the air space to its starting point. In a
magnetic field created by an ultra-high cycle AC current the force of the field is within the center
of the field. Any point on the outer perimeter could be designated as a south pole and the center
of the field the north pole. This phenomena was described by Mr. Tesla as a hysterical magnetic
field. This field is the force of gravity which shaped and formed a cloud of atomic dust into what
is know as the. Earth.
In our galaxy we have nine planets circling the Sun on an eclipse pathway. The pathway for each
planet is set and governed by the law of “attraction-repulsion,†and the pathway is the center of
balance between the two. Each planet has its own magnetic field and the force of that field is governed
by the law of electrical balance. It is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume. Being
magnetically charged in this manner each planet has a magnetic field with “attraction-repulsionâ€
properties which forces it into a pathway that is different from any other planet. The nucleus of
an atom contains the pattern for its size, shape and nature. All bodies of the Universe have a nucleus
and from that nucleus each body is formed and no two are exactly alike. The nucleus of our
solar system is within the Sun and the nucleus of our galaxy is within the Central Sun which lies
in the center of the Milky Way. In every one of these bodies, be it the atom, the Earth, the solar
system or the entire Milky Way, the same laws of Universal balance prevail and through those
laws of Universal balance the harmony of the Universe is established.
Chapter 7
WAVELENGTH AND HARMONY
This may seem quite complicated but it really isn’t. If we look upon the Earth as one grand
s y m p h o ny orchestra, consisting of atoms and molecules, of which each is perfectly tuned to a
p a r t i c u l a r vibration. The director of this orchestra would be the nucleus of the Central Sun who
selects the score of music to be played. The Central Sun would control the time or beat through
the magnetic fields of all heavenly bodies, the movement and change of position and the timing
of each event in the music score. Our solar sun furnishes the energy for each atom and molecule
to respond in perfect harmony. The music pours forth from the heavenly bodies in harmonious
heavenly music.
Chapter 8
MAN’S USE OF ELECTRO-MAGNETIC ENERGY
The energy from this same storehouse is available to man free of charg e
in vast quantities by a simple method of changing the electromagnetic balance.
Iron is the best known magnetic element and it is to the magnetic fi e l d
c o m p a r a b l e to Carbon in the electrical field. T h ey will both trade energy fast and easy.
The physical construction of a unit that is electric like a magnet is magnetic is just as simple as
making the magnet. The finished unit will be similar to the magnet in all physical ways. It can be
made of many different materials in any size, shape and form It will be of solid state, extremely
hard, never get discharged, never wear out-just like the magnet. Its manufacture is so simple a n d
easy that within most cities, states, and countries of the Earth there will be found citizen technicians
who could form a small group for production in the immediate future.
Chapter 9
THE ELECTRIC UNIT
To produce a Unit invo l ves two steps. In the first step we must produce a compound that is electric
like Iron is magnetic. Within this compound the electric forces must be like the magnetic forces
in Iron, complete forces consisting of electrical forces with both the positive and negative in each
and every molecule. Within the mass the electrical forces will follow the law of “like poles repel,
unlike poles attract,†and form small circles of electrical energy going around and around in small
circles, like the magnetic forces in Iron.
The second step would be to encase this electrical material within a very hard body, similar to
the body of a magnet and align the electrical bodies in lines of a series with the positive in one
direction and the negative to the opposite in the same manner as in production of the magnet. The
first units will no doubt be of high voltage until a rigid system of proportioning is developed in
producing the second stage. Then units can be made to be cut into slices or platelets of a definite
voltage and assembled into batteries for all different usages of today.
If you have studied these chapters to the point of understanding how life and energy is a
product of Solar Radiation, the following chapters will be easily understood and the construction
of an Electrinium Battery simple and not too hard to make.
The only difference
between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical
charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and
their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron,
the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then
the Iron would be the positive.
Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
There are ove r
one hundred elements of the Earth and in time many combinations will be formed and bodies found
for them, but at this time only a few can be considered. One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord. The great violence of some chemical
r e a c t i o n s is really the electrical reaction caused by the vibrations in great discord.
The vibrations
of the positive and negative elements must, when compounded, yield a Compound that will be in
harmony with the life vibrations of the material selected for the body of the Unit.
The expansion
contraction factors must be near enough to each other that in the finished Electrinium Unit the
Electrinium molecules are tightly encased. If, in the cooling process, the Electrinium Molecules
contract more than the unit body material leaving the Electrinium molecules loosely held, the
compound must be discarded.
In a finished successful unit the Compound molecules will be held
within the Unit like in a straight-jacket. The Unit will be of an extreme hardness and of good to
excellent conductivity. A Unit of poor conductivity will heat and destroy itself.
When combining two diverse elements of positive and negative material the first problem we
encounter is the force of grav i t y. Although there is great attraction between the positive and
n ega t ive and the negative to the positive the force of attraction is slightly less than the force of
gravity. In a simple mixture they will separate and the heavy will sink to the bottom with the
lighter on top. This same problem occurs in other processes of making various compounds and is
overcome in many ways. By using a flux, by adding a catalyst, through homogenization, the
electro-plating process and others. In the electro-plating process an outside force is used. This same
process can be altered so as to operate without outside force and is known as the electro-chemical
process. It is a slower process because its action is governed by the forces within. In many cases it
is known as corrosion but the operation of a storage battery is an electro-chemical process.
In the storage battery of today a positive atom must unite with a negative atom to change the
electrical balance before a flow of electrical current can take place. When this happens there has
been produced a compound molecule that is Electrinium Compound if it is of a physical nature
that it could be straight-jacketed within an Electrinium body and aligned in a series. Throughout
this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and
many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure
Electrinium Compound.
The body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body. All that remains to be done is to shape the body,
harden it and organize the electrical forces in a series. Both Silicon and Germanian could be used to
p r o d u c e Units for battery construction of all types.
Chapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units.
We are now ready to make our first Electrinium Unit. Our goal is to produce a Unit of any size
and of any Electrical capacity that is a success and is electric like a magnet is magnetic. We have,
through the use of the battery process, made a sufficient quantity of Silver-Iron Electrinium
Compound. The next step is to combine it with the Silicon and from this mixture grow a Silicon
Semi-Conductor crystal.
In melting ore so as to separate the Gold, Borax crystals are used as a catalyst and in the
fi n i s h e d smelt all of the Iron and other minerals other than the Gold are interspersed within the
Borax crystals with the Gold lying on the bottom. Gold and Silver are a harmonious pair of
e l e m e n t s and their life vibrations in harmony with each other.We could use Borax crystals but in
the finished Silicon crystal the electrical lines of conductivity may be broken by the Borax which
runs counterwise to the Silicon. To correct this we will add another element which is found and
mined in a natural combination with Boron and that combination is Borozon. Borozon is a Boron-
Nitride mineral, of cubical crystallization, hard as a diamond and is mined in South America.
When uniting the Silver and Iron into compound molecules, each molecule is no doubt composed
of one silver atom and two or more Iron atoms. The electrical attraction between the Silver and
Iron atoms is so great that once they are united heat will not separate them except in an extreme
case where the Silver becomes vaporized. If it becomes necessary to go to a much higher heat in
the latter part of the project than is now planned, Gold could be substituted in the place of the
S i l ve r. How eve r, the Silve r-Iron molecules can be combined with the Borozon crystals and the resulting
Silver-Iron-Borozon molecules will then, when added to the Silicon, produce a homogenous
solution.
Chapter 11
ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL OF A UNIT
By uniting all the positive-negative atoms into compound molecules the entire Unit is
composed of a compound that is of a greater force surrounded by a lesser force. There is no way
this force can be blocked by a greater force because it is greater than any natural force used in
electrical circuits and it is being constantly reinforced by Solar radiation and therefore cannot be
diminished or discharged.
In the Electrinium Unit all of the electrical producing material is Silver-Iron molecules and each
and every one of them will have seven volts of energy. When the Unit was organized electrically
they were organized into lines of a series. These lines will stretch from one end of the crystal to
the other and every molecule within each line will furnish seven volts of energy. If the crystal is
ground square, one inch by one inch by five inches and we have incorporated within it enough
Electrinium Compound to enrich it to a density of one thousand molecules per line in each inch
of crystal, each line will have five thousand molecules and the crystal will operate at thirty-five
thousand volts. If we have attained perfect homogenization through our Borozon and heating
process and the molecules are interspersed in a perfect density pattern, there will be as many lines
of a series in the crystal as there are molecules in a line per inch. Therefore, the crystal has one
million lines consisting of five billion molecules operating at thirty-five thousand volts.
Chapter 12
OTHER FACETS OF A GEM
This demonstration by Mr. Tesla is like a huge diamond and it has many more facets than any
one man could investigate. Electrinium Energy is only one facet. Next to it is the gravitational
shield and energy for interplanetary travel. Lying just beyond is the wavelength-vibration scanner
along with the multiple wavelength generator and many other facets not yet identified. Most all
of the knowledge which this most wonderful man left with us now lies in limbo, but during the
new century we are preparing to enter, it will come into use and completely change life for future
generations to come.
Since gravitation is created by the two Cosmic Forces crossing each other at a ninety degree angle, if one were shielded gravitation could not exist. The shield could be made in an umbrella shape shingled with semiconductor material that collects radiation and defects it out over the edge of the shield.
Everything below the shield, down to the point of where the defected lines of energy conve rg e
would become weightless.
I wonder how long it will be until some young man makes one of these weightless machines
and learns to fly it with Cosmic Energy. By using the cosmic shield in a manner somewhat like
the sails on the old time schooners, the force of the Cosmic energy would be quite strong on a
weightless object. In a hovering position the shield would be held to a ninety degree angle to radial
e n e rg y, but when tipped to a forty five degree angle to the radiant energy would give strong pushing actions towards the sixty degree angle and an equal force from the magnetic side would give an equal force against the shield. These two forces applied against a weightless object should give it great speed and maneuverability. I wonder if the pyramids and other great monuments of the ancient world weren’t made with the use of the shield mounted upon some kind of an aircraft. With this shield we too could build monuments.
Chapter 13
CONCLUSION
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Hi!
It seems that the must applied students on the electrinium process are you!!!
@gyulasun
You must present the information in another way or they will ignore you.
You have a good point about the semblance of that generator to the electrinium battery the only thing that I find difficult is the materials and the fact that that battery needs an LC circuit to work.
But for the group to know what you are talking about I made an edited graphic so the members can see the idea you brought. Maybe it is important.
Jesus
Howdy nievesoliveras and gyulasun,
OK, you have a battery sandwich made from rubidium oxide and platinum. That sounds expensive. What is the ferroelectric? Iron? Maybe the inductor is to choke the high frequency oscillations from the stack. Moray's radiant energy receiver would fluctuate with the electromagnetic "tide" as he called it. This "tide" was high frequency oscillations that came in waves. There is a link to a chapter of a book by Moray somewhere in this thread. Both Moray and Tesla toyed with capturing cosmic rays as an energy source. This is what I think Gyulasun's device from the patent, Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods are doing.
If you think about this concept in a more mundane sense every plant on Earth is solar powered. That means all our fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds are produced by solar energy. If you eat any of these things YOU are solar powered. So why should it be such a difficult thing to produce electricity directly from solar energy...
OK, Mo Later...
Hi Jesus
QuoteIt seems that the must applied students on the electrinium process are you!!!
i guess you are talking about me, well thank you
in fact i am interest in everything looking like an electrinium, but i focus only on the electrinium
my english skill is not allowing me to be the leader of this topic
my lack in english has forced me to read the electrinium at the slowest time possible
taking my english dictionary in most of the sentences of this little book
and i know that the way to understand someone like Summera, we have to pronounce all the words, this way we can almost hear him, feel his vibrating level
i am here since one year, soon i will be able to communicate much more easily
each time i have to post, i can just not stop me to do that
so i am NOT the best student that Summera got, in fact due to the monkeeness of my brain, i have to read electrinium 6 times
i am a poor specimen of the humanity
see you
Hi!
@zmonkey
You know that I offered to buy a battery from you. I still think that you has the knowledge to accomplish the task of replicating the electrinium battery, it is just the lack of funds that stops you. And I think that that is what is happening with must of the other members.
Another thing is that if you send for some metals the goverment does not allow them to pass through mail. I am sure that you are a knowledgeable peson.
I tried to build an electricity generator with a couple of ounces of radium and I sent for the radium metal, and after my payment was accepted by the chemicals company, they sent me an email that my purchase had to be approved, that i had to wait 12 days for the answer. There was no answer. The money was refunded to my card. Meaning that it was not approved. The graphic or photo of the device was so clear and understandable that I jumped to make it. I understand.
@drannom
I also learned english by trying to understand processes written in english with an english dictionary. The only problem i still have is with the spoken english. I can write it and read it almost to perfection, but when comes the spoken part must of the time I cant understand the first time, I have to rerun it several times to grasp what is being said.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 02:09:03 PM
Hi!
@zmonkey
You know that I offered to buy a battery from you.
Jesus
Howdy Nievesoliveras,
Yeah, that was on page one of this thread. Were still looking for a cost effective way to produce the Electrinium. Either that or get a whole lotta funding. I saw that Radium generator also. I think it was Pese that brought it to this website. That looked simple to build. This is how the forces of darkness keep us down. Deny the knowledge, deny the materials, and of course make their power very easy to get, just plug in and let the meter run. Blech...
Persistence in this matter will payoff eventually...
Blessed Be...
Hi!
@zmonkey
I know that we will find something. I will keep looking.
Jesus
everyone. i made one hell of an important discovery.
i placed bismuth and iron in glue.
i got 0.780 volts, at 400 uA.
as usual.
i stuck a small piece of copper into the glue. and connected it to the positive terminal, with the bismuth.
so that it looked like this:
- +
steel ---glue--- bismuth
--- copper
the moment the copper touched the positive terminal, the amperage AND voltage started increasing!
and stopped at 0.820 volts, and 480 uA.
the voltage increased by 0.04, and the amperage increased by 80 uA.
(it was a very small piece of copper. the gains likely would have been more, if there was more copper surface area added.)
amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !
i think that when multiple metals are added like this, their frequencies merge.
causing even more disruption, than just 2 metals.
the bismuth and the iron were punching each otehr in the nose.
and kicking each other in the teeth.
then i aded the copper. and now the copper is beating up both the iron and the bismuth!
yet the iron and the bismuth, are both beating on the copper as well!
if i added aluminium and connected it to the negative terminal, than would it jump into the fight? hiting the others with its bat? making those pinging noises?
Quote from: nitinnun on October 22, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
everyone. i made one hell of an important discovery.
i placed bismuth and iron in glue.
i got 0.780 volts, at 400 uA.
as usual.
i stuck a small piece of copper into the glue. and connected it to the positive terminal, with the bismuth.
so that it looked like this:
- +
steel ---glue--- bismuth
--- copper
the moment the copper touched the positive terminal, the amperage AND voltage started increasing!
and stopped at 0.820 volts, and 480 uA.
the voltage increased by 0.04, and the amperage increased by 80 uA.
(it was a very small piece of copper. the gains likely would have been more, if there was more copper surface area added.)
amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !
i think that when multiple metals are added like this, their frequencies merge.
causing even more disruption, than just 2 metals.
the bismuth and the iron were punching each otehr in the nose.
and kicking each other in the teeth.
then i aded the copper. and now the copper is beating up both the iron and the bismuth!
yet the iron and the bismuth, are both beating on the copper as well!
if i added aluminium and connected it to the negative terminal, than would it jump into the fight? hiting the others with its bat? making those pinging noises?
nitinnun
It looks like that is an important descovery
I wonder if those elemental rods have something in them that works like your glue .
I wonder if some metals raise the voltage and current when connected to the + and other metals raise the voltage and current when connected to the -
gary
Quote from: nitinnun on October 22, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !
Howdy Nitinnun,
What about layers? Stack it up, like an electrolytic capacitor, paralleled layers...
OK, Mo Later...
i think that all metals have to be touching the same body of glue.
and all metals need to be touching either the positive or negative terminals.
the glues polymers, are all covalently bonded.
when 2 atoms share the same covalent bond, the magnetic fields of both atoms MERGE TOGETHER, into one big magnetic field.
so when the 2 metals touch the glue, the magnetic fields of both metals MERGE TOGETHER, into one magnetic field.
the 2 different metal-frequencies conflict inside this magnetic field.
generating electricity within the magnetic field.
the more different metals, the more frequencies, the more disruption, the more electricity.
i have lead and aluminum too. i'll throw those in with the copper, bismuth, and steel.
to make a 5-metal rumble.
Quote from: nitinnun on October 22, 2008, 08:17:15 PM
the 2 different metal-frequencies conflict inside this magnetic field.
generating electricity within the magnetic field.
Why do you think that there is conflict?
From what I have gotten from the PDF the right metals should harmonize with each other .
The wrong combination should do nothing or create heat .........maybe lots of it.
I clicked the wrong thing navigating back here. I ended up at the end of page 1 in this thread .
That device that is radioactive is there .
It makes me wonder if cadmium phosphorous and cobalt might work in glue
gary
my intuition tells me that the power is generated, from some kind of "difference" between the metals.
i don't know if this difference is a conflict between frequencies.
or if it is one atom conflicting, with another atoms natural frequency.
i just feel that the electricity is caused from a "difference".
because 2 identical metals, produce nothing.
when i realized this difference, the first thing that came into my mind, was what drannom said about different atoms having different frequencies.
the second thing that came into my mind, was what he said about 2 atoms disrupting each other, to generate electricity.
the third thing that came into my mind, was torroid overunity devices.
that generate excess power, from one frequency of electricity kicking another frequency of electricity.
what is causing copper, bismuth, and iron,
to produce more voltage and amperage,
than bismuth and iron????????
where is this extra voltage and amperage coming from, if not from conflict between different elements?
by the way.
i have stick many kinds of atoms together, into glue.
all of them generate at least some electricity and amperage.
so whatever is generating the electricity, exists in all atoms?
but more in some atom combinations, than others.
Quote from: resonanceman on October 20, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
Sparks
I am kind of stuck here
I can see that there is a force pushing the planets and atoms out to a certain point.
I can also see that there is an inward pushing . The PDF seems to describe it pretty well .
I can't explain the difference between the inward and outward forces .
I do see that the balance between these 2 forces has created all the universes
all the solar systems even all the atoms .
The fact that electrons jump from one orbit to the next is controlled by the changes in these forces
.
I have been trying to understand the difference between the energy that pushes electrons and
planets away from the central core and the energy that pushes them toward the core .
I came to my own understanding then realized it is already in the PDF .
The energy that flows out from the nucleus and pushes the planets or electrons out to there proper
orbits is the same energy that pushes them closer to the nucleus. It is just a slightly different
" flavor "
According to the rule of balance if the balance between atoms is disturbed a flow of energy in
some form is released to reestablish balance .
When an energetic particle hits an atom it will release energy according to its own unique makeup .
in other words when struck Iron atoms will emit Iron " flavored" rays
Other than direction the only difference between the energy pushing out and the energy pushing in
is that in the case of a planet the energy pushing in is " universe flavored" . The energy pushing
out is "planet flavored"
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page 6
In Mr. Tesla’s demonstration and explanation of these generators he showed the following new
principles and laws of the Universe: That the Central Sun which lies in the midst of the Milky
Way radiates a great force of ultra high kilocycle AC current to the entire Galaxy. This current
activates our Solar Sun and it acts as a converter and radiates a strong force of DC current to our
Solar System. These rays of DC current come in many wave lengths because each element
will
radiate e n e rgy in its own wavelength as shown by the spectroscope.
Quote
Chapter 3
NATURE’S USE OF ENERGY
In a study of the way Nature uses its electrical forces we should he mindful of all the things man
has learned about the characteristics of electricity. We know that light has no heat, that heat
has no
light, that there are hundreds and possibly thousands of different electrical rays, each with its ow n
function. We know that an electrical force in one direction will have an equal force of magnetic energ y
to the opposite. We know that each atom has an electrical force equal to every other atom and is in
electrical balance with every other atom when under equal heat and pressure. We know that each atom
is alive with electrical force and radiates that force in all directions.
Quote
Chapter 5
NATURE’S STOREHOUSE
Nature has stored great quantities of solar radiation within the crust of the Earth. Each atom carries
its share but certain atoms will give up or exchange energies faster than others. Carbon and
other
related elements will hold great quantities of heat energy. Iron and other related elements will h o l d
great charges of magnetic energ y. These special elements charged with special
energies furnish the
e n e rgy for daily use in Nature and under certain conditions furnish great quantities almost
i n s t a n t a n e o u s l y.
gary
Hi Nitinnun
everythings must be simple, even if you find something complex then it will be anormal, the reason why it is like this is because the universe is simple
so simple that the only thing really existing are the eather and the Source, so find OU must be simple
simple as your chaostic cell glue battery, you try to create a very bad harmonic and then there is some energy to collect from this chaos, this is correct according to the superlight link, every atoms or molecules are in equilibrium exept for the molecular atomic frequency, every atom or molecule are shinning superlight with the frequency atomic modulation
in electrinium we look for harmonic compound of 2 metals, and align and compress them, in the way to get an etheric pressure from the inside of the compound
your theory is to use the difference in the frequencies to create an etheric pressure, this pressure will be lighter than electrinium, this will create 2 vortexes as well, those vortexes will resonate in the interference of your different frequencies
it is amazing that the power is better with a third element ! you might be able to create some harmonic device as well, placing 2 metals in the glue and get a frequency out from it permanently !
the perpetual resonator !!
all is simple, as the oneness
oneness
is there something wrong with me ?
or is it the only way it has to be ?
the universe seems so improbable
my mind can not find it possible
my heart feel the reality of the existence
my intelligence can not see in it any sense
then the nothingless is much more probable
my consciousness proove me that's impossible
the mystery of time at the very beginning
make me feel crazy in my understanding
how can something coming out of nothing?
except if the nothingless in fact is everything
does the oneness still exist in the nothingless ?
as the mystery of the mysteries and nothing less ?
my conciousness still proove me that is real !
the oneness in the nothingless that's the deal !
so everything must be simple
overunity as well for example
all is made of the same thing
and it's still look like nothing
the Central Sun is out the universe
and both of them are still oneness
the unity of all the creation
could only done one reaction
all is eather under the super-light rays
the infinity of time look like eternal days
souls are standing waves with consciousness
going from the nothingless to the oneness
by Normand Boivin ( my first poem in english done last evening )
Quote from: nitinnun on October 22, 2008, 09:51:24 PM
what is causing copper, bismuth, and iron,
to produce more voltage and amperage,
than bismuth and iron????????
where is this extra voltage and amperage coming from, if not from conflict between different elements?
nitinnun
An anology of what I think is going on can be seen in waves .
In the ocean when the wind blows it creates waves
These waves tend to travel in that direction until stopped by something.
Wind in another location blowing in another direction does not fight with or replace the waves from the other places . the waves interact as they pass each other each going its own way.
Waves don't interfear with each other , they simply add or subtract from themselves according to what other wave they hit .
I am saying that adding more metals to the mix is like adding more wind above the ocean .
If we add wind to a different ocean we won't notice a change .
If we could add more waves in the right place at frequency's that harmonize we could see very big changes .
To me this means that the location of the different metals in the glue might be an important factor . maybe a better way to say it . the geometry of the metals may be important.
An example if a weaker ray is to be added to what seems to be a stronger ray it might be helpful to place the weaker metal in a ring around the stronger metal
gary
Hi!
@nitinnun
I am proud of you!!!
@all
The sensible thing now would be to increase the power of nitinnun battery with the energy gathered by drannom's piramid. I mean I suggest to grow a crystal piramid around the battery in order to increase its power.
Jesus
Hi Jesus
positive idea as usual from you !
talking about potassium alum crystal pyramid and the Nitinnun's theory seem to me out of the topic, i will only focus on the electrinium and whatever looking like that
if the Nitinnun's theory is right then it will be much more easier to create a very big battery than using a crystal growing process
there are very few people growing potassium alum pyramid in the world, i was the first, so it will be not possible to spread it to the world as your idea state, too complex
is that you wish, i think not, we wish someting simple, easily spreadable
too complex will fail to save the world
sorry for posting something looking like talking to say nothing
Hi!
@drannom
Dont get me wrong, I am just trying to help and solve the electrinium problem.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 23, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
Hi!
@drannom
Dont get me wrong, I am just trying to help and solve the electrinium problem.
Jesus
:)
no problem, i will not talk about that, you can, and everyone can
if you want to talk about electrinium ! wowwwww super !!! ok
i am ready.......
in the electrinium we are about to find the atomic volume of all atoms, then we will find some difference in the total electrical charge
electrical charge = weight x volume
density = volume divide by weight
so i was not wrong talking about density
so, we are looking the way to get the compound, and to find an easy way we have to find the density of each atoms, and then match them with that difference
Summera give us many combination possible, the less expensive seem to be the silver-iron compound
then we will align it and compress it with high voltage in any hardener or crystal process
and, to get the silver-iron compound
as you know
we have to CREATE a normal silver-iron battery, with NaCN
so, Nitinnun propose to use iron-copper, good
let's try it, all i need is the receepe to create the iron-copper compound
and i have not understand it pretty well, in the Nitinnun's theory the iron and copper atoms are free, in the electrinium it has to be create
Hi!
@drannom
I am a visual person, meaning that for me to understand something I need to have a graphic or somethig to visualize the idea.
When you used graphics to explain the great job you did with growing pyramid crystals. I understood quickly the process you were trying to explain. When you use a graphic and just a little words, the graphic itself talks for you and is understood. I am based on the saying that a picture has the value of a thousand words.
Remember, I can be wrong though.
Jesus
i put copper, steel, lead, bismuth, and aluminum into a contaner with glue.
but there is VERY LITTLE room between all of them. so i am slowly putting in thin layers of glue, and drying them.
to lock the metals in place, before i touch any of them.
in a few days, i'll be able to test the 5-metal beatdown!
though it will take tinkering to see which metals work best on which terminal.
THIS was taken from an old tesla patent.
i think that it works EXTREMELY SIMILAR, to my cells, and to electrinium.
heat excites the iron. increasign its paramagnetism.
(ferromagnetism is just a stronger version of paramagnetism. the different name, is to confuse us!)
the increased PARAMAGNETISM of the iron, attracts clockwise spin generated by the air.
the sheet catches this clockwise spin. charging up the positive half of the battery.
the diamagnetic spin, attracts coutner-cklockwise spin generated by the ground.
this CCW travels up into the metal and up into the negative half of the battery.
because the CCW wants to climb as high as possible, towards the diamagnetic sky.
the CCW in the hot iron, attracts even more CW from the sky.
it works EXACTLY like how i tried to make the pyramid work.
the only differences are that i didn't excite any iron like that, i didn't have anything over iron to catch CCW, and i didn't purposely connect 2 metals to the negative battery terminal.
Hi!
@nitinnun
You and drannom are the most active members of this thread!!
Jesus
Hi!
My first goal when I joined this forum was to promote the electrinium battery so we all could take advantage of its qualities, but at the beggining I was talking to myself I think, then I waked up and tried to help. Some opposition came up and I almost quit. Then I invited people from other threads that I deemed would be of help and the ball was running for a while. But now I am thinking that if we do not do something to keep this thread alive it will die soon.
I have not found anything about electrinium. The only thing that I found was another battery called the electromagnetic battery. But i was just a photo, too small and with no description.
If I cannot find anything to keep me here I will migrate to other threads, in the meantime the lord put some good idea into my mind directed to the making of electrinium or something with over unity that can be shared.
Jesus
i electrolyzed a piece of copper and a piece of steel, to make individual atoms break off.
then i mixed the water together, and got 6 milliamps.
the problem is that the water refuses to evaporate! even a little!
i think that the water refuses to evaporate, because its molecules are polarized.
polarized by the magnetic field!
mixing individual atoms together in either glue or a crystal, is likely the next step towards practical electrinium.
but for now, my interest has gone towards the last picture that i posted in this thread.
and towards the mini ro-mag generator, here:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/mromag0.gif&imgrefurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm&h=415&w=482&sz=43&hl=en&start=25&um=1&usg=__GFeK30rvuN43-4ysMO6pE83yyfs=&tbnid=9Ad5zPV0ThU3qM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmagnet%2Bgenerator%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
that badly optimized piece of crap puts out 3.5 volts at 7 amps!
and i know that i can build a more efficient one than that!
Hi!
Try heating it at a very low heat for awhile or put it over the house heater overnight.
Thank you for the Romag information.
Jesus
Quote from: nitinnun on October 26, 2008, 08:54:13 PM
i electrolyzed a piece of copper and a piece of steel, to make individual atoms break off.
then i mixed the water together, and got 6 milliamps.
the problem is that the water refuses to evaporate! even a little!
Nitinnum,
That is very interesting.
What if you added (painted) some of the water(s) onto sodium silicate or...
In fact, why don't you paint a little onto a plate of that glue as you think...
Please keep going with this.
I have been playing with a tiny HHO generator and a 9 volt battery. I think I will do this now too since I have the steel ions or atoms , all I need is another jar for copper.
Did you take a voltage reading?
jeanna
i have a new idea.
a very thin sheet of copper foil.
a very thin layer of dried glue.
a very thin layer of steel.
like this:
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
stack up 100 of each, in that order.
and compress all of them, with a vice!
the constant pressure of the vice, will keep them together, force them to connect, and likely cause the atomic disruption that drannom talked about.
it will last for as long as the vice can compress them.
Quote from: nitinnun on October 29, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
i have a new idea.
a very thin sheet of copper foil.
a very thin layer of dried glue.
a very thin layer of steel.
like this:
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
stack up 100 of each, in that order.
and compress all of them, with a vice!
the constant pressure of the vice, will keep them together, force them to connect, and likely cause the atomic disruption that drannom talked about.
it will last for as long as the vice can compress them.
nitinnun
That sounds very similar to something else that I remember
It had the same configuation except it had copper aluminum and acrilic layers
I believe that it needed a magnetic field to work .
I was thinking that it was called an electron cascade .
I will see if I can find it tomorow .
gary
acrylic glass is a polymer. just like elmers school glue!
it is mostly carbon and hydrogen. just like the glue.
but elmers school glue can be applied in very thin layers. which is what we need.
even if scrylic glass is tougher.
Hi!
@nitinnun
How many volts does it have as output? How many milliamps?
Jesus
i pressed together a very thin sheet of copper,
a very thin sheet of dried glue,
and a very thin sheet of steel.
all sheets were 1.5 inches long by 1.5 inches wide.
there was only about a 1.5 centimeters diameter, that was pressed with the vice.
the rest was unpressed.
the vice DID NOT electrically connect the copper and the steel.
the output was about half a volt, at 0.5 uA.
which is a little worse than a bunch of small wired dried in wet glue.
i think it would have worked much better, if the glue had dried onto the metals.
that way some of the glues polymers would have covalently bonded with the metal.
better integrating the polymers magnetic field, with the metals magnetic fields.
regardless, it shows something that none of us knew before.
and PROVES once and for all, that there is no freaking galvanization happening through rock solid glue!
i didn't try stacking together multiple layers.
because my interest is currently on the bedini motor.
in which i see vast potential, for my creative optimization skills.
but it would be easy as rancid firtilizer, for one of you to stack together and press dozzens of layers of copper foil, dried elmsers school glue, and steel sheeting.
Yes, stacking different metals seperated by isolators, especially bad isolators,
will give you a voltage. And especuially when there is pressure on the stack.
You may want to check out the Zamboni or Duluc "Dry pile" in that respect;
those are basically Voltaic stacks of different metals (silver-copper for example)
that were seperated by pieces of paper, pressed together, and sealed in an isolating
layer. In contrast to the Voltaic and other Galvanic piles, they work
without having to submerge the pile in an acidic or electrolytic fluid, but on the other hand
they also produce mainly volts and very little if any amps.
It is classical electrical stuff, from way back in the 1800s or so.
I have recently made another version of such a "dry pile" to show a friend that the principle
works. The version I made consists of approximately 40 stacked layers of copper foil, kitchen
paper (the waxed kind), and aluminium foil, and measures 4cm by 4cm (by something like 2cm high).
The thing is nothing more than a stack of alu-copper-paper-alu-copper-paper-etc.
Wires are attached to the outermost aluminium and copper foil layers, and the entire thing is
squeezed together.
Last time I checked it, which was last week, it still did what it's supposed to do: after touching the
wires to eachother to allow the plates to discharge, and hooking up my multimeter, it read
a very low 0.01V which within a minute or two had risen to 0.5V, and then the self-charge speed
drops drastically and it takes another 5 minutes or so for it to reach 1V. Seems as charge increases
so does charge time, and after another 5 minutes or so, at approx 1.2V I decided I had been waiting
long enough.
This self-charge behavious is exactly what it did before, it is very similar to the same type of behaviour
as some of my past test showed, and it is exactly the type of behaviour said to describe the Duluc
and Zamboni dry piles. It is said that the electrostatic bell at Oxford is and has been powered by
such a type of dry pile since 1840 or so.
So yeah, these are electrostatic power sources. Zamboni style piles, it is said, could easily reach
the kilovolts.
But really, we've been over all this in the Crystal Cell thread. ;)
the electrical resistance between the 2 metals is SO HIGH, that my multimeter cannot read the resistance.
even though my multimeter can read up to several mega-ohms.
this cell does not start charging up when i connect the leads.
it is already charged up. and stays charged up forever.
until i either hsort it out or destroy it.
i seriously doubt that your0.5 volts of metals and paper, was 1/16 of an inch thick.
do you EVER type anything that is worth reading, koen1?
do you EVER type anything, that is not an attack on something?
do you EVER type a post, that is less than 80% useless-wordage?
Hi!
@nitinnun
You are always occupied on something and that is good. There is a saying that states "Keep busy and youll be alright".
I have not tried the glue battery yet, because I am waiting for a good result to start spending more money on experiments. I have spent thousands and have not gotten anything OU, but has adquired some good knowledge in the process.
Keep being as you are!
I found a battery that seems to be made with just zink an carbon, but it is short on details. I know that this for jeanna and her friends would be great to find out. I forgot to jot down the link before the machine froze though.
Jesus
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 07:02:07 AM
the electrical resistance between the 2 metals is SO HIGH, that my multimeter cannot read the resistance.
even though my multimeter can read up to several mega-ohms.
this cell does not start charging up when i connect the leads.
it is already charged up. and stays charged up forever.
until i either hsort it out or destroy it.
Of course. And then you short it. And then, what happens?
Surely when you short it, the voltage drops?
And then afterward it rises again?
Well, so then it doesn't stay charged forever, but it re-charges itself
after you discharged it, right?
Right. That's what I'm saying.
Quotei seriously doubt that your0.5 volts of metals and paper, was 1/16 of an inch thick.
Hey doubt all you want. Build a Zamboni dry pile and see for yourself.
Or call Oxford and ask them about theirs.
It's easy to doubt things when you never try them.
It's easy to claim you're right when you haven't tried to falsify your statements.
But it is a well documented phenomenon and setup, the dry pile.
Just look it up.
Quotedo you EVER type anything that is worth reading, koen1?
What kind of dumb remark is that?
Are you saying that your large number of posts in which you basically revisit
old ideas of others and act as if you're the one to "discover" them are worth
more than my simple remark that you might want to investigate the phenomenon
of the dry pile? Don't be silly.
In fact, you were the one who questioned the correctness of my statements
about the dry pile and my replication of one. That is quite silly. It is like
questioning the correctness of the Galvanic cell. There is no question,
they have been around since 1800.
Quotedo you EVER type anything, that is not an attack on something?
Yes, often enough. Like for example the
entire post about the dry pile.
That was clearly not an attack on anyone, it was clearly intended to point out
the dry pile to those who don't know it. Like, as it seems, you.
Do you ever take the time to just evaluate a post and see the possible positive
value of it, instead of taking everything I post as an attack? It doesn't look like you do.
Well, be like that. But don't accuse me of attacking you when I don't.
Quotedo you EVER type a post, that is less than 80% useless-wordage?
Yes. Q.E.D.
Now get back to the subject; so you claim that you have a pressurised bimetallic
junction that produces high voltage potential
Hi!
@nitinnun and koen1
It seems that there is a very strong competence between you two. But that is very healthy. When you compete you try to excel in what you are doing. So the competence between you two is going to be beneficial to the world in the long run.
Jesus
there is nothing healthy about listening to koen1.
he couldn't type something USEFUL, even if you held a gun to his head.
and he doesn't realize that he can't do it, either.
which gives him zero possibility for improvement.
if he ever typed anything of value, than not only was it be an accident, but it was something that someone else came up with.
Quote from: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 05:46:06 PM
there is nothing healthy about listening to koen1.
he couldn't type something USEFUL, even if you held a gun to his head.
and he doesn't realize that he can't do it, either.
which gives him zero possibility for improvement.
if he ever typed anything of value, than not only was it be an accident, but it was something that someone else came up with.
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.
The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.
I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.
So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on November 02, 2008, 06:43:13 AM
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.
The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.
I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.
So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.
his dry heap story is a heap of something all right.
it is a nasty piece of irrelevancy, that is NOT a constructive follow up to what i typed.
it seems designed more to sabotage and defocus, than to actually help anything.
and so do your words, "tesla". because there is nothing constructive in them either.
Hi!
I just finished reading the electromagnetic battery thread and I am very disappointed about the end results.
I thought that because electrinium making requires cyanide, that making an electromagnetic battery would be easier, but I found that I was very far from the truth.
Jesus
it would be far easier to manually compress the elements you wanted.
by tightening together 2 flat metal plates, with nuts and bolts.
sort of like what i want to do with my 1/16 inch glue cell.
Hi!
Do you mean something like this?
Jesus
yes. exactly like that picture.
those plates would provide all the pressure that you need.
so you could all focus on "only" the electricity producing atoms.
and not worry about making a chemical mess.
your best option, is to make a chemical compound that has most/all of its covalent bonds filled.
and is covalently bonded to 2 metal terminals.
Hi!
Pardon my ignorance in chemistry. I only know a little about pulsed motors.
Do you have any new recipe of those chemicals that will fill their covalent bonds?
Jesus
chemical reactions are known for causing covalent bond changes, with VERY little heat and energy.
metals tend to have lots of covalent bonds. making them highly ideal.
the larger magnetic fields of metals, would also strengthen the overall magnetic field in the cell.
carbon and silicon both have 4 covalent bonds.
so they are ideal for making long covalent bond chains.
(silicon can likely form covalent bonds, without melting.)
hydrogen has 1 bond, and oxygen has 2.
they are often used to "cap" the ends of lattice chains.
i think nitrogen and sulfer both have 3 bonds
sulfer is required to form protein chains.
remember that nothing has to get hot enough to "melt".
things need to get hot enough, to "make them form covalent bonds".
Hi!
An example recipe:
To take a break from reading at the computer, I prepare myself a hot cup of coffee.
1. Fill an 8 ounces microwave resistant cup with water.
2. Put it into the microwave and press the numbers to 1:30 minutes (on my microwave, yours could be different).
3. When the microwave finish heating the water, take it out of the microwave.
4. Add 1/4 teaspoon of instant coffe and stir.
5. Add a teaspoon of cream and stir again till the cream is well disolved, the mix will look clear brown.
6. Add two teaspoons of sugar and stir again (or sugar at your taste)
Your instant coffee is done at this point.
Enjoy it while reading in front of your computer or peacefully rocking on a hammock! Use creativity here.
It gives you sufficient energy to have working at your computer for hours.
Jesus
i've found that the unsaturated fat in raw flax seeds, has given me much greater mental focus.
avoid heating food whenever you can. the heat damages the foods structure.
and the oxidization makes it much harder for your body to process.
(the body needs unsaturated fat, to dissolve oxidated materials.)
clockwise magnetism has shown to be healthy for living things.
which is part of why people desire to be around paramagnetic elements. such as gold, silver, and copper.
if you spin metal clockwise, the spin builds up its clockwise magnetism, and inhibits its counter-clockwise magnetism.
Hi!
What I meant by giving you my coffee break recipe is that, that is the best way to show someone how to make something based on a recipe.
I asked you on another post if you had a recipe to get those covalent bonds you are talking about.
In other words, Do you have a step by step instruction on how to set the battery you recommend making?
I have very clear that it needs to be compressed. But I dont really know what are the other steps on the process.
I know you gave this recipe:
i pressed together a very thin sheet of copper,
a very thin sheet of dried glue,
and a very thin sheet of steel.
But it lacks the process step by step.
Jesus
Hi!
I reread the page and found the answer to my question. It was my fault for not reading the page well.
I did an edited version of the information.
Again. My fault for not reading well the page.
Jesus
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on November 02, 2008, 06:43:13 AM
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.
The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.
I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.
So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.
Hi Dr.T, the point is that no-one has successfully built an electrinium battery to date. There have been a few attempts but no-one successfully aligned the atoms and in so doing merely reproduced a slightly improved "permanent" version of the standard alkaline battery technology.
There is no way you can put your hand on your heart and say "this beats electrinium hands down" that is like saying Mc Cain won the election "hands down" ! Electrinuim when aligned correctly will produce something like 25,000v per sqare millimeter, hmmm I don't know the exact figure, but that information alone is enough to make me want to conduct some more research in this field.
So although you might consider yourself to be banging your head agaoinst a wall, the rest of us are having a fun time creating breakthrough with something that could potentially benefit the world greatly!
This is a thread about electrinuim batteries! Not about kincking around stories about already half understood and ineffective technologies....
Over to you Einstein!
Matt
Hi Guys,
Reading through I am not sure where this thread is heading, so I just wanted to share a couple of things to maybe bring things back on track a little...
I found this on wiki which I thought was interesting:-
One of the problems with the plates in a lead-acid battery is that the plates change size as the battery charges and discharges, the plates increasing in size as the active material absorbs sulfate from the acid during discharge, and decreasing as they give up the sulfate during charging. This causes the plates to gradually shed the paste during their life. It is important that there is plenty of room underneath the plates to catch this shed material. If this material reaches the plates a shorted cell will occur.
I am thinking maybe this "paste" is electrinium sludge (bonded pairs of atoms) formed during the electrolysis process? Since....
At this stage the positive and negative plates are similar, however expanders and additives vary their internal chemistry to assist in operation when in use.
...basically additives are used to make the plates "dissimilar" otherwise there would be no negative and positive plate and no potential difference between them.
Has anyone tried collecting some of this sludge from the bottom of a spent car battery?
Matt
Hi!
@mrcharisma
I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645
Jesus
....and while I am on the subject, i remember earlier someone (drannon?) asking where we could find a silver iron battery? apparently "silver-zinc" batteries, aka "silver-oxide" batteries are quite common.
...from wiki:-
A silver oxide battery (IEC code: S), also known as a silverâ€"zinc battery, is a primary cell (although it may be used as a secondary cell with an open circuit potential of 1.86 volts). Silver oxide batteries have a long life and very high energy/weight ratio, but a prohibitive cost for most applications due to the high price of silver. They are available in either very small sizes as button cells where the amount of silver used is small and not a significant contributor to the overall product costs, or in large custom design batteries where the superior performance characteristics of the silver oxide chemistry outweigh cost considerations. The large cells found some applications with the military, for example in Mark 37 torpedoes or on Alfa class submarines.
While I am not suggesting you approach the military and ask them for an MK37 Alpha Class Torpedo! It might be quite easy to find a silver-zinc "button" type battery (the type you find in watch batteries?) and extract the sludge from those?
apparently one doesn't need much of the stuff to make a really powerful battery (when the molecules are aligned correctly) :)
Matt
Hi Jesus,
well he has a point! But I am thinking maybe the sludge is electrinium, lead in its rawest form is full of impurities http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PAFzq1l1ZlE not to mention the additives! and that some more research as you suggest cannot but be of benefit to everyone...
Trust all is well with you too ?
Matt
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 06, 2008, 06:29:31 PM
Hi!
@mrcharisma
I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645
Jesus
Hi!
@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.
The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.
No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 06, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Hi!
@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.
The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.
No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.
Jesus
Hi Jesus,
well it does not mean it is not gold either! lead is full of impurities including bismuth, silver, zinc, copper and gold it is a well known FACT that these things can be economically exctracted from lead...
maybe it is bronze, an amalgum of copper and another element? or maybe the gold is becoming visible and floating to the surface during the roasting process? or MAYBE it is alchemy and the lead is transmuting into gold lol
try wikipedia for lead and see what you get ;)
in GOD we trust, everyone else pays cash lol
Matt
Hi!
The faith is good in its right place. In chemistry just a scientific approach is valid.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 03:14:55 PM
@sm0ky2
My question is:
I will put magnets aligned north(+) south(-) for the compound molecules to get aligned as the earth alingment of poles. I mean the compass north, points to the earth magnetic south, and the compass south points to the earth magnetic north.
Am I correct? Or the magnets go the other way around?
I am self taught and did not study theories.
Jesus
hmm... i guess the best way to describe this is, if you hold a string with a rock on it, and you spin it around, and tilt your hand so the rock spins in diferent directions each circle:: This is the natural state of an element, and average electron orbital path with be spuratic when grown in the absence of a biased-field.
when you apply the field, its like spinning the rock while keeping your hand still, so it spins in the same direction each spin. This is what happens to all the electron orbits when they are alligned, they assume parallel paths, and always spin in (give or take) that direction.
the magnetic "poles" if you can call them that, are formed @ 90-degrees to the direction of the electron.
and oriented by the 'left hand rule'.
for instance, if the magnetic poles were verticle, electron orbital-allignment would be in the horizontal plane.
the north pole of the earth attracts the magnetic south pole. (which is why south end of a compas points north)
and it is important to note that magnetic orientation of the crystals will be the opposite of the applied biased field.
@smoky2
It is very difficult to understand wat you are explaining without a diagram.
Jesus
I am buying the equipment to grow the crystals from Kayex, and am going to give this project ago. I think it is worth the risk, and at least we can all know whether this works once and for all. I am looking for 1 or 2 individuals to work with me on this, so if you are interested contact me. Also, there is one thing I am having trouble figuring out. When electrically aligning the molecules in the last step, so the molecules are no longer in disarray, the ingot must be heated up to a very high temperature with a kiln, so that the electrical charge will be able to align the molecules, but what kind of a device can be used to do this? I was at first thinking of just running a few wires into a ceramic kiln and hooking them up. Then sending the charge through the ingot while the kiln heats up, then gradual cool the kiln down while the charge is still running to prevent the silicon from going into shock from any sudden temperature changes, but the wires would melts that have the current running through it. Anyone have any ideas on this?
Also, if this works.
I would like to keep to the creators original vision of how to distribute this battery. However, what can be done about another company snatching up a patent on this or the process to create it and selling it exclusively themselves?
@xn9800
Quote from: xn9800 on November 22, 2008, 02:28:23 PM
Also, if this works.
I would like to keep to the creators original vision of how to distribute this battery. However, what can be done about another company snatching up a patent on this or the process to create it and selling it exclusively themselves?
There are other members that are more knowlledgeable than me in this topic.
But if you develop a good process to make electrinium batteries. What is usually done is, that you put the working process inside a good envelope, seal it well and mail it to yourself.
When you receive it with the goverment mail post seal, you does not open it, you just store it away unopened and forget about it till the need to prove that you were the inventor. The document is sealed with a date and time from the mailpost, that ensures that it is genuine.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 22, 2008, 12:28:00 AM
@smoky2
It is very difficult to understand wat you are explaining without a diagram.
Jesus
im not very good at drawing, but i'll give it a try.....
The Magnetic Field will run perpendicular to the electric field, and look somehting like this::
@smoky2
Thank you for the explanation!!
I took all the information you gave us electrinium experimenters and put it all on a paint graphic for all to understand.
It is like so, because it is too difficult to read an explanation on another page and try to look at the pictures on another.
Jesus
What is so special about this? That's standard field theory, isn't it?
It applies to any dipole, be it a dipolar field configuration or a dipolar
particle.
So you didn't grasp these simple basic facts and you think you can make
electrinium? I'm sorry, but it seems you have a lot of study to do... ;)
Quote from: Koen1 on November 23, 2008, 10:09:40 AM
What is so special about this? That's standard field theory, isn't it?
It applies to any dipole, be it a dipolar field configuration or a dipolar
particle.
So you didn't grasp these simple basic facts and you think you can make
electrinium? I'm sorry, but it seems you have a lot of study to do... ;)
i believe the intention was to APPLY the theory to the formation of a crystaline structure.
it has nothing to do with the composition of this alleged substance.
Electrinium, if it were to exist, would essentially be a self-reactive electret.
.
You don't have to tell me what Electrinium is supposed to be,
I had studied the "theory" extensively before anyone on the forum
ever mentioned it.
The basic idea is good, but unfortunately most of the PDF info is not.
Yes, obviously if we want to make a solid block that produces electicity
as in electrical current, we're looking at two elements namely electrical
charge and flow of electrical charge. Electrical charges flow along electrical
"field lines", so we'll want those field lines in the material. Ergo: electret
characteristics that result in a fixed arrangement of electric field lines.
But that's only going to get us a field, and a field is not current yet.
We can quite easily make electrets, and they will give us static charges,
but the internat structure of the material must also accomodate migration
of electrical charge carriers (not necessarily electrons) so that we can actually
have a flow of these charges through the material, along the
field lines we already built into the electret.
And with electrets, that is a problem, as the typical electret is a polarised
dielectric material, which means it is not conductive.
If we were to use a conductive material, say a compound of two or more
conductive elements, then we might be able to arrange the molecules
so that their dipole moment is aligned somewhat similarly to the polarisation
of the dielectric electret material, and we might be able to get some weak
field line structure. Because of the internal conductivity however, the electro-
static charge buildup will not be nearly as high as in the actual polarised
dielectric. Also, the field lines will then be arranged in opposition to the
relative "p"-"n" layering of the conductive compound's constituent atoms,
in other words, the layering of the conductive atoms would just about in
all cases be such that the diode-like "one-way-flow valve" effect is opposed
to the electric field lines, which obviously means that charges inside the
material "want to move" along the field lines while they are simultaneously
"blocked" from moving in that direction because of the materials own internal
structure (and obviously the related ionisation/emission potentials and work
functions of the specific elements involved).
And that's only on the theoretical level.
Practically there are other problems with the Electrinium concept.
Just imagine what would happen if you'd add a 50/50 compound of
iron and well let's take silver for the example here, and try to "seal"
it in a body of iron. How would we do that? Looks like the idea is to
somehow arrange all the silver-iron compound molecules so that they
all "face the same way", as to get the desired electret-like polarisation.
Ok, well, let's assume we have made a deal with a tribe of nanites and
they've arranged all these molecules for us. ;)
Now we cast it in iron, right? So how would that work? We melt the iron,
then pour the molten iron over the so delicately arranged and obviously still
loose lying molecules, and we just hope and pray that our heavy liquid
metal goop will not disturb that arrangement in any way?
That's just a bit ubsurd, the molecules will obviously get washed along with
any liquid metal current, and the neat arrangement will be gone.
And that is assuming the molecules don't simply melt and become part
of a very nice iron-silver alloy block. Yes, that's another thing, metals when
contacted at melting points tend to form alloys, not nice compound molecules.
And alloy is one big block of crystalline structured solid metallic mixture.
It is very clear that mr. Summera who wrote the Electrinium PDF thought
that we must be able to replicate a similar arrangement of atoms as used in
semiconductor crystal diodes, but instead of using semiconductors he
thought we can use conductors and still get the semiconductive diode
"one-way valve" effect, but since conductors have a lot more "free" electrons
at room temperature than semiconductors do, the output would also be
a lot higher. It is also clear he had considered electret-like polarisation
of the material to attempt to produce field lines in this manner.
However, if one studies these fields, one will see that mr. Summera
appears to have only had a partial understanding of these fields, and
that it apparently never occurred to him that the field lines and
"n"-"p" effect seem to be oppositely oriented. He also seems to have
temporarily forgotten that molten metals tend to form alloys and not
neat bodies of molecules encased in one of the compounds constituent metals.
Also, and you may have noticed this, he seems to be confused as to
which implementation is best and easiest to produce as a prototype.
At first he starts explaining his "electrinium unit" using materials which
he swaps a page later for other materials, then he describes how the simplest
unit can be made using what, iron and silver? and then, when he finally
starts describing his step-by-step process for producing his hypothetical
unit, all of a sudden he uses completely different materials again, and all
of a sudden the process is a lot more complex than the entire easy and
simple iron-silve prototype he described the preceding pages. All of a sudden,
he is not using normal metals for the compound and body anymore, but now
he's using semiconductive crystal for the body, and he suggests a laughably
complicated alteration to a simple kiln, which if even affordable and achievable
for the home smelter, would certainly not be covered by any insurance company.
And the real clincher is of course the complete radio silence after his description
of this process. In the description he makes it sound like he has it all set up
and is ready to produce his prototype... But now, what, 20 years later, we still
do not know of any working Electrinium Units, and mr. Summera has also completely
disappeared from the radar screen, he's nowhere to be found.
Surely if mr. Summera had managed to produce a working Electrinium unit
according to the detailed description in his "theory" paper, he would have mentioned
this? If the style of his PDF is any measure, I would expect to see a last chapter
with a full and detailed, not to mention very enthousiastic, description of his prototype
and the output he measured.
Why would he not have done that? Because he either never even tried to build it,
or if we give him some credit and assume he did try to make it, it would seem
he did not manage to make a working version and instead of retracting his "theory"
he simply decided to keep quiet and focus on something else.
That's what is looks like.
Anyway, I do believe it is possible to produce a material that uses basically similar
concepts like the electret 'polarisation' and the "n"-"p" layering of compound materials
to produce output of a form that combines the electrostatic "electret" output and the
electrodynamic "diode"/"one-way-valve" principle, along with certain other aspects
(such as thermal conductivity relations, possible thermal/thermionic/background radiation
induced excitation, and possibly even anti-Stokes emission events).
I have been experimenting with various materials to this objective, and those interested
are welcome to check out the Crystal Cell thread to see some of that.
I don't think the Electrinium "theory" as described in the PDF is entirely correct nor
is the descriptions of the Electrinium units and their construction, but I do think
that mr Summera was starting to get close in his thinking. He just missed a few things.
:)
@koen1
I do think that the pdf was altered by someone knowledgeable but with the intention of stopping the people to manufacture an "eternal" battery. It seems that he did it very swift, but reading it as you stated, the change on the way Summera is talking is noticed.
I do not abandon hope though.
Jesus
Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 24, 2008, 09:01:05 AM
@koen1
I do think that the pdf was altered by someone knowledgeable but with the intention of stopping the people to manufacture an "eternal" battery. It seems that he did it very swift, but reading it as you stated, the change on the way Summera is talking is noticed.
I do not abandon hope though.
Jesus
couldn't this be similar to electrinium?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.0
gary
@resonanceman
I just dont know.
The arrangement is very expensive and it just gives .2 millivolts.
But it is a very interesting topic.
Jesus
Quote from: resonanceman on December 05, 2008, 06:59:19 PM
couldn't this be similar to electrinium?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.0
gary
Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.
On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.
Quote from: Koen1 on December 07, 2008, 09:49:14 AM
Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.
On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.
Koen
I was thinking that it is probably more similar than different .
Electrinium seems to be working like a rectifier in some way .
I was also wondering if it might be useable as a backup plan ........ if the funds were raised to get the equipment to try to make some electrinium it would be wise to have a few ideas for making a profit from the equipment even if the electrinium project failed.
gary
from page 70 of http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.690
Talking about room temp superconducting plastic
http://www.ultraconductors.com/primer.html
I would agree that this guy probably doesn't have anything ready to show people ......but he could have found something .
It is my theory that with the right materials it may be possible to make electrinium by flowing enough current through the materials to form channels for the current, then removing the current slowly and letting the material harden .
Could this be done with plastic?
Could this guy be " burning" conductive channels into plastic ?
These channels might in effect be multiple microscopic spark gaps.
I am pretty sure that sparks don't always follow the laws of physics ......so a long string of small sparkgaps might have some very interesting properties.
I am not sure if this would qualify as electrinium but it might be worth looking into. .
I am thinking that filling the plastic with very small particles might help.
I am thinking that both conductive and nonconductive particles would be needed
The interaction between the current the plastic and the conductive particles would form the channels and create in effect anodes and cathodes.
gary
Well, thing is, yes the idea of "electrinium" is similar
to rectification and diode structures, in a way...
But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.
Diodes are not like electrinium, the idea of electrinium
is roughly similar to diodes. The other way around.
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.
And unfortunately the underlying theory is not in accordance
with the variations of diode theory. Superficially it is,
but on the deeper levels it is not.
Besides, as far as I know there is NO room temperature superconductive
material yet. Certainly not a plastic. That ultraconductors stuff has been
around for years and nobody has ever had the honour of actually seeing
a piece of the hypothetical superonductive plastic. It does not appear to
actually exist.
If we had room temp superconductors then yes, that could change the
entire story a bit, give it an extra dimension so to speak.
At least, I assume you see the similarities between room temp superconductors
and semiconductors in this specific context? I have a feeling you do,
otherwise why bring up superconds in the forst place? ;)
The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D
Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.
Lol :) funny to see how the better "electrinium" posts are all Cell related,
and not so much "electrinium" as described in the similarly titled paper.
:)
@all
I made a mistake???
I am reading too many threads at the same time.
Jesus
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"
the substance should have both properties of an electret
(static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.
chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::
(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.
Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)
the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.
i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.
Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
60W - 100W in various arrangement do work. ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.
i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.
and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)
what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.
if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)
Quote from: Koen1 on December 09, 2008, 09:27:34 AM
But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.
Koen
I really don't care much about who has what theorys about this and that .The theorys that you describe as good working theorys are just accepted theorys. They are probably way off the way that they actually work . The politics of science is often stronger than the evidence of science when it comes to what theorys become accepted . .....Anyone with a half way open mind can see this .
Quote
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.
How can you state that electrinium is a fantasy ?
Are you saying that it is impossible just because you have never seen any ?
Is it possible that it is being manufactured and used by some black opps projects that the public may never be told about?
Is it possible that it has been developed then suppressed?
Wouldn't it be something if us fools working on this " fantasy " came up with an idea that helped you improve your crystal cells ?
Quote
The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D
My idea for the gold/iron cell that we talked about early in this thread always included melting the metals with high current and burning current paths through the material.
I was simply relating my understanding of a way that might work for making a form of electrinium to the superconducting plastic idea.
Quote
Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.
As I see it the non conductive particles would help define the size of the channels ......and also help dissipate heat.
I am not as sure of the conductive particles .
One way that conductive particles could be used is if one side of them was made of a metal that easily emitted electrons .....and the other side did not easly emit electrons .... it would work like a string of micro vacuum tubes.
Another way might be geometry of the particles
If the particles were shaped like a tear drop and all lined up in the same direction the points would emit a lot more electrons than the rounded ends.
in both cases the channels would be very narrow and formed in the path of least resistance between the non conductive particles.
gary
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"
the substance should have both properties of an electret
(static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.
chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::
(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.
Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)
the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.
i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.
Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
60W - 100W in various arrangement do work. ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.
i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.
and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)
what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.
if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)
Smokey
WHen I try to see how this would work it looks to me like it is more than 3/4 quarts. ......
I still think that it would have to be compressed while the heating process goes on.
I was thinking it would take much greater power ....I hope that you are right about that part.
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on December 09, 2008, 06:59:45 PM
Smokey
WHen I try to see how this would work it looks to me like it is more than 3/4 quarts. ......
I still think that it would have to be compressed while the heating process goes on.
I was thinking it would take much greater power ....I hope that you are right about that part.
gary
i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.
you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone
Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2008, 08:23:50 PM
i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.
you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone
Sounds interesting
Back on page 6 I tried to describe a way to possibly make Iron/gold electrinium I like the idea because it is fairly simple , the ceramic bead that is the " container ' for the process also becomes the outer shell of the finished unit. The process would be fairly easy to test on a small scale ..........but also could be automated without to much trouble.
I made a few crude drawings to help explain .... Just go back to page 6 and scan for the big ugly gifs :)
I was thinking that your idea might be able to be made in a similar way .... perhaps a plug made of the right components between the electrodes. The electrodes would have to be made in such a way to permanently fuse to the main core and provide the proper electrical conections.
gary
@all
I was browsing the forum as usual and I found this thread that on this specific link, the guy states that he has a shorted 12v battery and talks about a diode battery. I think that this is related with the electrinium.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.msg144295#msg144295
Greetings!
Jesus
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on October 09, 2008, 09:00:04 PM
Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.
what's wrong with that, good place to start? you might have a job aligning the atom pairs though to make any sizeable voltage....
I take it everyone has seen my video on the subject? It got banned on youtube LOL ::)
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoId=27970157
Matt
Without reading through every post, did anyone succeed in making any electrinium? Through electrolysis maybe? Or from the sludge inside an old alkaline battery?
Did anyone manage to get into an old car battery and found sludge at the bottom? Electrinium sludge....?
I was playing with the idea of making a battery by re-packing the contents of an old alkaline battery and re-aligning/re-charging the atoms with high voltage/current just to prove the concept. The pairs of atoms (Nickel-Cadmium) would be aligned fairly randomly in parallel so the voltage would always be that of one pair ie. 1.5volts and the current would drain with load according to how tightly they are packed? Just add water to make them conduct and make an "alkaline" solution (any liquid that conducts will do just as well)!
For the record we already have the technology to make electrinium it is virtually the same process they use to make permanent magnets ( a form of battery) by aligning the molecules in the magnet then packing them solid.
Just some ideas to play with?
It Works for me!
Matt
One last question for tonight! Does anyone own a furnace and crucible?
And has anyone approached an IC manufacturer/engineer to see if they would be interested in helping to grow an electrinium crystal the same way silicon crystals are grown?
That was two questions ;)
Matt
PS. I know Marcus Reid has some success with permanent batteries but again the molecules were not aligned in series so the voltage/current drain was low even though they lasted for upwards of nine years (and counting) under test. There are even some crystals that display permament battery properties occuring naturally in rocks I understand :)
http://www.vakuumenergie.de/projekte/crystaline_unit.html
http://www.electra-energy-ag.com/ (in German)
Matt
Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 03:14:55 PM
Hi!
@gary
Thank you for the information about the lead batteries. I will need now to make another decision about the electrinium source chosen.
Jesus
hi Jesus I think you were mislead (pardon the pun!) a lead acid battery is "duped" with other materials/metals that make it work, it doesn't necessarily stop the electrolysis process that makes the sludge.
Or stop our research :)
Matt
@mrcharisma
I abandoned trying to build an electrinium battery after I saw that the electrinium pdf seemed to be the invention of someone that wanted to play with the peoples desire to have free electricity.
There was no record of the origins of the paper was the last thing I was told.
Jesus
Well the paper comes in from a very high level of intelligence beyond, perhaps our current models of undertsanding. It didn't seem that difficult to understand to me... but then it is easy to say that... not so easy to build one? I notice today that the guy who started a youtube channel entitled "electrinium" promptly had it deleted. Why would the powers to be do that? Someone is taking the ideas very seriously! I havn't given up I just don't have any resources to build one, short of asking a silicon integrated circuit manufacturer to build one for me, which I think is probably the way to go in the long run. Back yard engineers are alwasy going to get competition from big companies so we might as well get the big companies on our side eh?
I pretty much stopped promtoing the ebook ;) when my video got banned... somone messing with my mind no doubt!
People gave up on Tesla's ideas too because they couldn't understand them. Does not mean he wasn't a genious though. Just means his ideas came from a system more advanced than ours at this time. Truth is a great pioneer! Time is a measure of our willingness to learn the new models. Time will tell...
Meanwhile I cannot see anything wrong or incorrect about any of the ideas/theories in the ebook. In fact I think perhaps Tesla wrote it himself ;) ;)
Good luck and much love to you Jesus my friend.
Matt :)
Thank you @mrcharisma
Quote from: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
Meanwhile I cannot see anything wrong or incorrect about any of the ideas/theories in the ebook. In fact I think perhaps Tesla wrote it himself ;) ;)
Tesla gave impetus to the semiconductor revolution, but was gone about 10 years before the first mainstream semiconductors. The Electrinium document is clearly the work of someone who had first hand experience in manufacturing semiconductor materials. I don't know if Summera is his real name, what matters is the content of the book. This material is just a feasible as a ceramic magnet. Look at the progress we have made there. Look at these new Neodymium N52s...
You're right that we don't fully understand this technology. All that is lacking is the development process. We have the theory. We have a preliminary process for manufacturing Electrinium. All that we need is to get the tools, get the materials, and start trying to make it work...
Science first discovered magnetism when miners found magnetite. He he, look, these funny rocks stick together, LOL... I'll bet there is an electric rock to be found somewhere, in fact probably has already been found, and its sitting in a nice little storage cell, on a black shelf somewhere.
And, its not just Electrinium, the Superlight Theory cracks open so many more things, even the secrets of physical life itself. The way the Superlight Theory explains magnetism and electricity it also explains why a collection of seemingly random elements can form a uniform, animated structure. We have life because of that Black Hole Sun.
Someday we will have the tools...
I just wanted to let everyone interested in Electrinium know that an Hydroxy or HHO torch will sublimate almost any element; tungsten, steel, brass, etc. So, it might be easier to make electrinium with an HHO torch process of some kind.
I have no where to work on it. But what I would do is take the instructions from the book and see if I could figure out how to do the same things with an HHO torch somehow instead of with a kiln furnace.
Michael Couch
Hydroxy is too hot to melt steel and will burn it. Using hydroxy you have no controll over temperature and heat distribution and it is not the best choice for this experiment. I would recomend for you to purchase a 7Kw induction heater. That should give you sufficient power to melt anything you like in a controlled environment. Induction heaters are used in the making of silicon crystals and u can buy them from China for less then USD 1500. Before you start melting you need to read up on your metallurgy. Metalls may react with the crucible and you need to find out wich crucibles are suitable for wich metalls/alloys. You most probably will need to use catalyst/flux wich makes the melt even more complicated. The easiest way to combine two metalls without the use of a catalyst is by friction, it is called friction welding. How do you plan to organize the atomic structure once you have the desired alloy? Please be specific in you explenation.
Arcus
So has everyone abandoned this idea? This seems like something we should really pursue. It seems pretty simple and the drawbacks don't seem all that tough to overcome. Anyone from the treasure valley in Idaho want to get together on this?
Quote from: hawkiye on October 29, 2012, 04:31:27 AM
So has everyone abandoned this idea? This seems like something we should really pursue. It seems pretty simple and the drawbacks don't seem all that tough to overcome. Anyone from the treasure valley in Idaho want to get together on this?
Howdy,
Haven't abandoned the idea, trying to gather up enough money to start a semiconductor fab...
Might be able to make this a reality in 10 years or so...