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"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them,
One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness find them."
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Due to overwhelming response and suggestions, I figured I would comply. Today after it was found out that I was holding my TPU in my hand with hard kicks emminating from it, I was stoutly told to shield the unit and 'Don't touch the ring!'
That showed me that I had made great progress. This thread starts with those kicks that were so hard to acquire before that are now all over the place and dangerous. This thread also marks the great step into tuning. I shudder at the possibilites without safety and control.
Once upon a time there were 2 bicycle mechanics that wanted to fly. Now we're beyond the solar system. ;)
So let us not tarry any further... for we must not look back.
Welcome to the next step of the TPU. The Ring tune. Ta-da!
--giantkiller. Please extinguish all smoking material. We don't want to encourage any unwarranted results. Any and all results gotten reflect those of management at one point or another in time.
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I am listing the instructions here to wind and drive a TPU that produces kicks. Guaranteed!
A word of warning:
There is a high degree of danger in doing this! Overunity comes from the collaspe of the magnetic field. ******************************************************************
Devices such as lifters, the ECD, the Turbo coil, and this one here all exhibit the same
physical property called the wing edge effect. That is where the Radiant energy flies off.
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The rule is: DO NOT TOUCH THE RING! when it is on. You've been warned. I accept no responsibility for your attempts at completing this project. You are at your own risk. If you follow the instructions and end up in a dangerous situation, it is your fault, not mine. I have had my dangerous moment already and it isn't pleasant.******************************************************************
I have gathered up the pictures of the device specifications at the bottom of this post.
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These instructions are the latest. This post supercedes all other posts.
Let's start off with with the coil specifications:
Coil diameter is 4", but this can vary, and consists of 3 layers of:
Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns, standard size and there are 6" leads coming out.
Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns in each segment.
The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Feedback and controls are wound using right hand rule. starting closest to you and winding over the top of the collector, down through the center, out the bottom, and back towards you, then back up to over the top following the turns to the left. Looking from the top we are traveling in a clockwise direction.
The control segments have 200 of these per segment and each turn is touching the last. There is a gap of about 1" between segments. they are proportionally spaced around the collectors.
The feedback windings are similar in their 17 turns. Each turn touches the last. There is about 1 1/4" gap between these segments.
Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram shown at bottom of this post.
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I power the 555s with +5v and the tip41b-s with +12v. Bias resistors are 100 ohms.
Transistors like http://www.bourns.com/pdfs/tip41.pdf (http://www.bourns.com/pdfs/tip41.pdf) or equivilant.
The duty cycle resistances are 200k pots. The frequency duration resistances are 200k pots. The Tantalium capacitors range in value from .01uf to 10uf. Switch them out to suite your tests.
My settings for frequency are <200hz for all 3 555s. Vary to suite your tests.
There is only +DC pulses.
My power supply is +12v @ 8.25a
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Now let me be the first to lead by example. As you can see by the picture we have captured the ellusive Ring. It is safely in its cage in a quiescent state at the moment. Fear not, should it be aroused. But for safety sake let's not awaken it from it's dormant place. We are now safe. Should the creature perk up and start chattering, it is secured in a shield of containment.
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What I have used here is screen door aluminum cloth, formed into a block secured with duct tape. The floor is perfboard with 2 layer screen underneath. Didn't want anything shorting out.
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Let's talk for a moment about the
sweet spot when tuning.
I used my right hand for this test. Not good! I hope the tuning fork sound will replicate the ability of feeling the sweet hit. I call it
sweet for a damn good reason. The field appears in smooth layers around your hand almost like a light plasma effect. This is when you feel the temperature jump up. You feel the
kicks pulsating through your flesh. It's not the heat that is the problem. It is what you don't see. It is etched indelibly in my mind, no really, headache and eye ache included. If I can get some sort of tool to catch what I felt that would be tantamount! I would then have a console indicator. And with that measurement I can trip a kill switch with a visual feedback indicator automagically. I could use a heat trip but I need to balance between heat level and desired results.
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I worked the previous days without using any shielding and suffered a severe headache.
We are past the stage of just winding a coil and turning it on.
This stage of building means business. I tested the cage in my weakened state and found out that I did not degrade any further. It only takes a matter of minutes to feel the effect of a closely tuned ring. My suspicion is if you feel the sweet spot on your hand, you then have achieved the headache in time. Turn the device off. Your fun is over for the time being.
Rule #1 for an active device?
DO NOT TOUCH THE RING!
Mandatory tools for this thread are a cage!
The warning above still applies.
If you tune without a cage you are exposing yourself to harmful waves.
The kicks kick ass. Yours!******************************************************************
Current Must things to do:Replace the potentiometers with a higher quality. This will definately change the results.
Consolidate the mag wires tighter into the coil. This is to prevent breakage during portability.
Apply
Thermometer to coil for temperature tests in sequence with locating the
sweet spot of tuning.
Apply
Amperage meter in line with PSU in sequence with locating the
sweet spot of tuning.
Apply
Tuning fork on coil. I'll bet you this is better than using magnets when locating the
sweet spot of tuning or cooking my hand!
I will post the results here of the Potentiometer replacement.
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Additional specifications******************************************************************
If you just want to skip ahead to the final answerhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32490.html#msg32490
Words of affirmationhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21446.html#msg21446
Words from on highhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21532.html#msg21532
GK4 kickshttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21633.html#msg21633
Radiant energy explainationhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21701.html#msg21701
Ark of the Covenanthttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21846.html#msg21846
GK5 hooked uphttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22046.html#msg22046
TPU coil pictureshttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22262.html#msg22262
Radiant diagramhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22324.html#msg22324
SM ring constructionhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22651.html#msg22651
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22789.html#msg22789
SM17 operationhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22793.html#msg22793
SM17 Hieroglyphichttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22841.html#msg22841
Coil Drive specificationshttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24115.html#msg24115
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24372.html#msg24372
SM17 test platformhttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24409.html#msg24409
Interfering frequencieshttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24501.html#msg24501
This just in......The term 'flyback' probably originated because the high voltage pulse that
charges the CRT capacitance is generated by the collapse of the magnetic
field in the core of the transformer during the short retrace period - when
the electron beam in the CRT 'flies back' to the start of a new scan line.
The flux in the core changes slowly during scan and is abruptly switched
in polarity by the HOT turning off and damper diode turning on during this
flyback or retrace period.
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_flytest.html#FLYTEST_006
I bet you the exploding TV had an open transformer arrangement in it and probably cheap potting material. Today it is a wonderfully strange looking device, heavily shielded and so are the drive electronics.
B+ ------+ +----|>|-----+---o +V1 B+ ------+ +----|>|-----+---o +HV
o )|:|( o Scan | o )|:|( Flyback |
)|:|( Rectifier _|_ )|:|( Rectifier _|_
)|:|( --- )|:|( ---
)|:|( | )|:|( |
_/\_ )|:|( | _/\_ )|:|( o |
HOT ------+ +------------+--+ HOT ------+ +------------+--+
_|_ _|_
- -
Step up xfrmr, diode and a cap. Hmmm, looks like a stungun. If there was a spark gap after this you can kiss your cheeks goodbye. Danger, Will Robinson!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg26692.html#msg26692
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Flyback, stungun, retrace, bedini motor ckt all the same. Kicks, kicks, kicks.
Feed em back, let 'em fly. Circulate them puppies. Run 'em around.
This oughta make things simple.
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Otto's jumpering shows just this. Freqs in at the bottom and circuit on top to +v. I will go back and try this. I have to rewire GK4 to this. Was gonna do this anyway. But this time the feedback connected in reverse.
The collapse of the wave was the overall theme of the Dale Pond google video. In the exploding TV story remember the nails flew around the room. The child was probably killed from objects behind him.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Thanks Dr. Malcolm.
Male physics is the science of expansion while female physics is the science of contraction. Don't laugh. Watch the video. We cannot be anything different than our environment.
Overunity comes from the collaspe of the magnetic field.Never get between a mother and her children! We want your stay here to be a pleasant one.
Thank you for your participation, the management.
--giantkiller.
Giantkiller,
Love the topic name!
Played around most of the day on my TPU and still nothing. I still think it is the generators I'm using. I tried putting MOSFETs between the generators and coils with no luck. One thing I did see is that two of the generators are running past the zero voltage and into the negative. Probably no good. I am also still trying to figure out where exactly to measure the output from. By hooking up the windings as Otto has posted really screw up the infeed waveforms which doesn't seem right. I hope someone is still up and around to give me some ideas for tomorrow.
Tim
GK,
Nice box. I have an old microwave that is not used and I thought of putting the TPU inside. But I am sure that I will be told that the microwave is running the coil. ;D
I scope at between the top collector and the watt resistor. Do your freqs come out of the drivers?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: MrMag on January 07, 2007, 12:50:21 AM
GK,
Nice box. I have an old microwave that is not used and I thought of putting the TPU inside. But I am sure that I will be told that the microwave is running the coil. ;D
Tnx. Cheap too compared to the headache. I don't think the micro will cause you any grief.
--giantkiller.
GK,
I've tried both ways. Direct to the coils and then through the MOSFETs. Otto also mentioned that he is not using the resistors (12 ohm) that he shows in the drawings. Do you think I should put them in?
Right now the time is around 1:00AM. I am in Canada about 30 miles south-east of Detroit.
Tim
can you post a description of your setup? Doesn't sound right. should have small pulse or other triggr to mosfet and then large pulse across mosfet.
Grumpy,
I know. I keep thinking that I wound or connected something wrong. I must have checked 20 times. All windings are wound clockwise. Four separate windings per layer connected as Tesla patent / Otto's explanation. I really think that the coils are alright. I think my problem is with the signals. As I mentioned, I am using 3 separate frequency generators. I feel that this is the problem since I am not using a single power source. If the three control windings were separate it should be no problem. But, according to Otto's drawing, the control winding are also connected to the collectors which is where I think the problem of "common ground" could be an issue. Even with the MOSFETs being driven by three generators, there would be a common ground issue.
One thing that was interesting is that I connected the control winding layers in series and then connected them in series with the collectors, just for the hell of it. I was getting 20mv spikes that ran around the 2.5kHz range. I shut off the generators and moved it away from everything. Only had the scope hooked up. Pretty weird.
Got a nice buzz going, so let's hav a look:
hmm - hang on - buying some bulk components in another window - caps and resistors...
one more time:
1. many ways to wind coils and connect them.
2. 3 frequencies - not my idea - fundamental, 3rd, and 5th, produce steep rise and fall of pulse - this is good - must be synched or doesn't work.
3. shit can the 3 freqs and just send a pulse to your mosfets - short pulse - recommend mosfet speed up components - see "Pulsers only" section pdf's. You guys are mixing ideas together - crossing them up - and getting freaky stuff
Otto's wiring is NOT the only way, SM's wiring is not the only way - shit - ain't even the best way or even that good - inefficient as hell.
GK,
Great that you started this thread!
Just a quick one to all who want to do the ring thing
Please
Do exactly as gk has done........do not change a thing.
do not add "improvments"...a few timers and a few commomly available transistors.
All this stuff is around most places!
It may take 5 hours max...get it right.
This may not be a working generator but a discovery tool...and a beauty at that!
Even though I say copper.collectors...that may be later.
GK, you might have to do some complete drawings ..again..including timer circuits.. and rebuild another from them so that everybody can get on the exact same page. Gk, thanks for your patience...perhaps you deserve a rest anyway.
Lindsay Mannix
Give me a freakin' break.
Hi GK,
You said 12v, 3amps input, in a few ohms, thats gonna make some heat. How do you know its not OU yet, what is your power out measurements?
Do the 2 x 10 ohm resistors get hot, as hot as, or hotter than the TPU itself?
Thanks,
Dave.
GK,
Gonna wind a new TPU as per yours and Ottos instructions next week. Would you be kind enough just to re-confirm the the below details?
Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors.
My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.
Again:
Coil diam is 6"
3 layers of:
Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.
Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.
The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.
I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.
Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.
My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a
Regards,
Dave.
Dear all,
Further to Ottos and GKs tests, Otto has asked me to post this diagram for everyone to try. For some reason he has problems posting images here.
I am not sure what it is to do yet, he says it will be a surprise! So I am hoping its a proof of concept!
D.
"Hello Dave,
I hope you and a few people with scopes will make the little test.
Make just a little coil.
Wind over your 2 fingers 50 turns of thin wire. Diameter is NOT important. Then connect one end to +12-13V. The other end to your MOSFET to pulse this coil.
Through this coil put a wire and connect it to the end of your coil where you pulse it. Now you have 1 end open. This end of the wire connect to a light bulb and the other end of the light bulb connect to minus.
Waiting for your results!!
Otto"
All,
I'm winding..............I'm winding...............and working on a precision clock source. You all may want to have a look at the Analog Devices AD9833. They are programmable waveform generators that will allow you to generate sinusoidal/triangle/square waveforms from 0Hz to 12.5MHz. Place a wideband unity gain op-amp buffer stage inline, next, feeding MOSFET gate driver stages and finally the power MOSFET's themselves, That will allow you to have digital control of the three seperate frequency synth's and allow you to put a little space between you and the DUT (Device Under Test). Actually as much space as you need. I've got my family to look ot for, so I won'tbe firing up in the living room. Has any one looked at or run calculations using the "standard knowledge" ? I would like to see, or perform, some analysis to see where we are in terms of standard theory. It is important to document the experiments so that EM theory can be updated if the results warrent it. Remember that experimental results that contradict accepted theory can mean discovery. Yes, I have a scope, and access to just about anything I'll need. I'm a professional test engineer.
GK................consider the possibility that your blood pressure is up, stress and excitement, and etc but do also play it safe. Standard laboratory safety should be used by all of us. I intend on data logging my TPU experiments and after I get this pig up and running I'll have a look on the spectrum analyzer for anything of interest. The FCC would likely be the agency to get involved first, at least here in the states and I do have an FCC GRTOL so we need to be careful there. I'm probably going to put mine in a hole in the ground as opposed to the Faraday cage as I thought we were talking about interacting with the Earth's magnetic field. Doesn't make sense to me to shield it from the proposed source. Under a significant amount of dirt should do the trick.
Yes I've been watching and reading for a long time...........but I'm also winding and designing my lab setup...................more to follow.
Damn the hydrocarbon fuels.......damn them all. Keep up the good work everyone. ;D
Hello all,
sorry guys I cant be quiet!!
Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???
The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!
Otto
@Dave,
that little test from Otto, im confused by the diagram, it looks like the light bulb will light hard on, when you connect it all up.
Incase i missed something please let me know.
Dom
Ah yeh i think i did miss something, 12volts aint going to light a 40watt bulb, but whacking it with pulses, which produce kicks might.
did i just answer my own question.....lol
Dom
Dom,
I dont know what its meant to do. It will be hard on, but it will also have pulses in it.
Otto has told me that his work so far has all been for shit and it was based on this, its an example of not what do or something. But he has something major to tell us that he realised from this circuit.
He wants us to try it first and think about it, then he will tell us his news.
D.
Thanks Dave, appreciate your reply
Ive been in contact with GK and Cam, and I'm proud to be part of something greater, I have hope, and will not give up on it.
Thanks Again
Dom
@Otto,
I did the test you suggested. The coil has been pulsed by a IRFP450 MOSFET @ 800 Hz (there is a resonance). The scope probe on the lightb-bulb (220V 60W). Power supply deliver +5V @1.5A.
Peak amplitude can be seen on the figure......I don't see any weird....am I wrong?
regards
ronotte
Hi
I take it the top signal is across the bulb and these are the spikes, at 50v per div that Otto was talking about before which he thought were important. Now he thinks or realises its all been nothing, but it lead him to something else which he is going to post soon.
If we look at his coil config for the TPU, it uses this doesnt it?
D.
@Dave
yes, the top signal is that at 50V/div (i did limit the ps voltage at +5V because the connection is direct and at the moment I've not a limiting resistor......so I'm really thinking what Otto is mumbling about....hope he will exlpain it to us poor mortals!!
ronotte
Two things gentlemen.
GK?s headache & eye pain from the TPU reminds me of a thread in Floyd Sweet?s VTA replication topics about a year ago.
1. Two guys were ?conditioning? a large 4? by 6? slab magnet when they both leaned over the top of it. They both had headaches that lasted for about a week. The weird part was their personalities went negative for a few days causing them to be short tempered & antagonistic to each other. Strange!
2. Floyd Sweet said that he was trying to see how much power he could draw when his VTA began making a loud noise. His wife said she heard it several rooms away. He immediately shut it down.
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Hi Bill,
The two guys where Graham Gunderson and his flat mate at the time. I think he left the positive end of a HV transformer which was oscillating, on the surface of a large BaFe magnet for some hours and found that after it would retain a small self oscillation, but not for long. He reported headaches and bad moods and came to blows with his friend!
I once played around with a mobius coil and some quartz and kept getting head aches after it had been on for a while.
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: otto on January 07, 2007, 05:11:49 AM
Hello all,
sorry guys I cant be quiet!!
Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???
The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!
Otto
Hi There
Maybe Otto is saying to use the Kicks to drive a separate device ie coil etc?
Just a thought...use the kicks that the TPU is kickin out.
QuoteMaybe Otto is saying to use the Kicks to drive a separate device ie coil etc?
Just a thought...use the kicks that the TPU is kickin out.
;)
Quote from: ronotte on January 07, 2007, 08:19:44 AM
@Otto,
I did the test you suggested. The coil has been pulsed by a IRFP450 MOSFET @ 800 Hz (there is a resonance). The scope probe on the lightb-bulb (220V 60W). Power supply deliver +5V @1.5A.
Peak amplitude can be seen on the figure......I don't see any weird....am I wrong?
regards
ronotte
you are not using the voltage that he said to use
@Mannix,
in the schematics posted by Otto there is a DC path direct to MOSFET Drain- ground...so if I rise voltage ....the current goes over permissible limits! (The MOSFET ON resistance is less than 0,4 ohm) so the +5 choose is an arrangement compatible with MOSFET attached heatsink.
Anyway any idea is wellcome
thanks
ronotte
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 09:23:19 AM
Hi Bill,
The two guys where Graham Gunderson and his flat mate at the time. I think he left the positive end of a HV transformer which was oscillating, on the surface of a large BaFe magnet for some hours and found that after it would retain a small self oscillation, but not for long. He reported headaches and bad moods and came to blows with his friend!
I once played around with a mobius coil and some quartz and kept getting head aches after it had been on for a while.
Regards,
Dave.
Morning,
I slept off the headache and pain. And doing fine, no aches. Didn't even kick my dogs, God forbid. But I will keep that test result in mind.
We are not tinkering anymore. We have crossed over to the serious dangerous zone!
Hellooo, I hurt myself and got a group warning on how to protect myself? And all kinds of vintage posters and knowledgable newbies pop up out the woodwork with great intent and concern? Thank you for that support. I am a believer. I know what I have done here and it's not the final step. But probably the most dangerous one because there is energy coming out of the ring.
SM said small steps. I now know why. This lastest ring is an excellant platform for the next step. Thank you, Steven Mark and Lindsay Mannix.
--giantkiller. It's all good.
@CTG
frio "this" Circuit the bulb muste give also ligth "without" pulses.
because this is connect to +12 to 13 volts.
P.
I see this wrong ?
Hi Pese, I know as much as you, its from Otto, not me.
D.
Pese,
I just got what you mean. Yes, as Dom said, the bulb will always be on, but will have pulses in it too.
@Everyone, Otto has said that his previous work and the diagram he published is s..t, all capacitive coupling, nothing going on and this circuit is just to show that, because its what his TPU is based on.
What he also says is that he has found something else and we should be ready to drink beer. I do not know what this something else is yet, but it was something he found after staring at this circuit and realising his mistake for which he blames himself. But its lead to something new. We are all waiting...
D.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 11:07:15 AM
Pese,
I just got what you mean. Yes, as Dom said, the bulb will always be on, but will have pulses in it too.
@Everyone, Otto has said that his previous work and the diagram he published is s..t, all capacitive coupling, nothing going on and this circuit is just to show that, because its what his TPU is based on.
What he also says is that he has found something else and we should be ready to drink beer. I do not know what this something else is yet, but it was something he found after staring at this circuit and realising his mistake for which he blames himself. But its lead to something new. We are all waiting...
D.
@Dave,
I agree
@ Otto,
All I See is a dimley light bulb. And nothing more.. Did i pass the test?
Moab
GK, are you able to bury a K-type probe inside your TPU, then have a digital thermometer. Note the temperature and the input power. Then connect the same coil just across a variable DC supply and adjust it until you get the same temperature, then note down the DC voltage and current it took to make this heat and compare it to your original input power. Then we can see if this heat generated takes more power to make than is running the TPU.
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 03:54:14 AM
GK,
Gonna wind a new TPU as per yours and Ottos instructions next week. Would you be kind enough just to re-confirm the the below details?
Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors.
My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.
Again:
Coil diam is 6"
3 layers of:
Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.
Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.
The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.
I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.
Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.
My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a
Regards,
Dave.
If that is the unchanged list then by all means start cookin'. I made 1 mistake, out of many, the diam is 4" not 6". Just less labor and parts. Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.
--giantkiller
@grumpy. you're right. Sloppy as hell. Been saying that all along. And I proved it.
iron came a post,
4" diam came from a post,
22 collector turns came from a post,
6" collector leads, my idea to get the connectors out terminal posts that was your idea,
TPU#3 had fat copper collectors, switched to magwire, c0mster's post, I got harmonics,
I lived and breathed Tesla patents for 2 months! When I saw the movie contact again and noticed how the design sheets for those 'RINGS' were connected. I shit my pants. That instance showed me what to do. I posted that I laid all his diags out and moved them all around till I saw the pattern I needed. And do you know what the secret was? Low turn fat copper, high turn small copper. In all his diags. Thank you Jodee Foster/Carl Sagan!
controllers of 200 hundred turns, my idea, arbitrary. Small wire it fits.
4 controller segments came from a post,
4 feedbak segments, thank you Otto. I just did it and did not ask questions.
Lampcord feedback, from multiple SM videos. 17 turns? arbitrary.
jumpered? Ottos drawing. I just followed the lines.
3x555s, mine, posted way back in September somewhere. Why use anything else? Obvious.
The controller circuit, mine, designed on a laptop flying down the highway to the VLA,
Power supply?, sitting on a shelf,
the safety cage came from a post,
the 555 drift, a number of posts. The drift is my friend. Without that I would've blown my self up. My right hand still works and I can see out of my left eye still.
I took my large wire layout and consolidated it down to a portable size. SPherenot, Dave and Joehan. Do I need it now? no. But I will and then won't have to figure it out last minute.
where did I get the freqs from? many posts and I played. Wait till you get the sweet spot! I felt it. As dangerous as it is it was the most phenonimal thing I ever felt! C0m felt it on his MT coil in a lab we did together also.
Everybody elses crap thrown together. LOL.
@all,
So until anybody gets their perfection on board with a working ring then there is no room for theory or slander. Or, ya'll go around and the kick tires all you want. I am driving down the highway to the next event.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 11:26:40 AM
GK, are you able to bury a K-type probe inside your TPU, then have a digital thermometer. Note the temperature and the input power. Then connect the same coil just across a variable DC supply and adjust it until you get the same temperature, then note down the DC voltage and current it took to make this heat and compare it to your original input power. Then we can see if this heat generated takes more power to make than is running the TPU.
Regards,
Dave.
Aye on the thermometer. I'd rather watch the turkey cook than be the turkey.
Tnx
--giantkiller.
Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.
--giantkiller
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Thanks for the vote of confidence GK
6" core are done and just for grins I'm 20 ga copper..thin insulated.
Working on the mag wire 200's now.
Thanks
Jon
Hi all,
Its probably the layout and the connections that matter most, rather than the guage of the wire. But for continuity better to make as close to GKs one as possible for now, then start to play. I will knock one up as soon as I can.
D.
Would radiation be a candidate in the form of heat - lot's of it - with an 8 amp PSU - ouch?
The heat will be greater with iron wire in the core because of eddy current flow. Try a solid iron core and you will be able to use the TPU as a cooking plate to fry up your eggs & bacon. Yes, be very careful with EM at this level. I've had the headaches myself after very short periods and when those TPU's are squealling away, please remember the effect of high audio frequencies on any pets around.
There will be no ceremonial lighting of 100W bulbs unless that energy can be fairly efficiently induced to the secondary. An inverter will do the job better but will take most of the 8 amps. As I see things at the moment, the real challenge is still out there to replicate the master's TPU which needs no input power or perhaps just a teeny bit from a tiny battery.
Otto wrote: -
Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils?
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light?
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???
@GK
Garden wire (iron) have higher ohmic resistance than copper.
so it will be make heat !!
It is shure that you have more heat out, than power in to the circuit ?
I don't know that GK has claimed any OU in the form of heat or otherwise. I was just asking him to perform this heat test if he can, as iron wire will get hot easily, its not really meant for circuits, its meant for tying plants up in the garden!
So, am waiting his results!
D.
Quote from: boxofsparks on January 07, 2007, 11:46:42 AM
Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.
--giantkiller
Thanks for the vote of confidence GK
6" core are done and just for grins I'm 20 ga copper..thin insulated.
Working on the mag wire 200's now.
Thanks
Jon
So there are just 2 changes so far. A 6" diam with copper core.
Ok. So are there any changes to the controllers besides the new distance which equals more turns? And I don't think it matters.
This is the pattern i've seen: Fat wire next to very thin wire and then you adjust the freqs ad hoc. Multiple freqs give a higher collision level with fast on times. Rate also as you adjust the 3. Expulsion of energy from the cross impacting fields.
Length of wire, gauge of wire, number of fields per a given measured area. Remember what Tesla said "1200hz is a very high freq." LOL. His models incorporated high copper volume, very wide range of wire turns and what we today call 'Low freq'. Today we work with very low copper volume and high freqs.
Radiant energy looks like conduction externally because that power can't get through the copper because of its high speed. The potential has to balance out so it goes the path of least resistance. Wow, think about that. So in these TPUs we cause the reaction magnetically and the copper can't absorb / conduct fast enough so the energy spreads out till is slows down, can you say power loss?, to a speed that the copper can conduct at. c0m & I just didn't feel heat. It has a thickness to it. Ok, so well done is tougher than medium rare. LOL.
--giantkiller.
High grade car audio power cable ,maybe 8 gauge .
More than 700 strands of zero oxygen electronic
grade pure copper tined all the way through.
Buck a foot for KICKER hyper flex wire.
Just a thought
Quote from: otto on January 07, 2007, 05:11:49 AM
Hello all,
sorry guys I cant be quiet!!
Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???
The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!
Otto
Well ? from what can see, if your pulse is a grounding pulse then it will do nothing. However, if you pulse is a positive pulse then all you're doing is shoring out the coil to the plus side of the supply.
So, let's see. Since the light bulb is lit this means that there's a magnetic filed formed in the coil. When you short out the coil you will generate a pulse and when you let the coil charge back up you will also get a pulse.
This could work to your advantage. Hard to predict the results.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 01:15:27 PM
I don't know that GK has claimed any OU in the form of heat or otherwise. I was just asking him to perform this heat test if he can, as iron wire will get hot easily, its not really meant for circuits, its meant for tying plants up in the garden!
So, am waiting his results!
D.
To you and Pese. If I had used copper core my field generation would have been more dangerous? I made the next mistake for lack of control then. So let's backtrack. 555 drift, iron core, cheap pots. I feel like Alexander Graham Bell. These mis-doings were a true blessing. By using copper core now then there would be a greater field with less control. And the inverse would be better control with field limitation. Tesla used copper. Mannix said 'Don't change anything'. Maybe implied control till the freqs get figured out. And what I did is a great test platform for to play with. Just think how battered our faces would be if we ran before we crawled.
I agree with our speed of trying.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 04:45:59 AM
"Hello Dave,
I hope you and a few people with scopes will make the little test.
Make just a little coil.
Wind over your 2 fingers 50 turns of thin wire. Diameter is NOT important. Then connect one end to +12-13V. The other end to your MOSFET to pulse this coil.
Through this coil put a wire and connect it to the end of your coil where you pulse it. Now you have 1 end open. This end of the wire connect to a light bulb and the other end of the light bulb connect to minus.
Waiting for your results!!
Otto"
This is very similar to an automobile ignition system. A twelve volt coil is pulsed by a set of points or electronically. When the magnetic field collapses into the inner coil the voltage is increased from 12 to maybe 15,000 volts and is able to fire a spark plug.
The difference here is that the inner coil is not coiled but a single wire. Hopefully the TPU uses resonance to increase the output to ou. If it will not do this we have a dead end.
GK,
I agree, if it helps to reduce the effect, ie let you see it, but less dangerously then thats good.
I think what we are saying is that is heat generation in iron wire odd, no? Is the heat generated, more than the input power? Waiting on your test result.
Just wanted some clarification on what has been discovered because heat in a coil is expected isn't it? Without some temperature and power readings how do you know what you have is odd? I mean 12v at 3 amps, is going to make some heat?
Forgive me if I missed anything where you already covered this.
Best Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: IronHead on January 07, 2007, 01:45:15 PM
High grade car audio power cable ,maybe 8 gauge .
More than 700 strands of zero oxygen electronic
grade pure copper tined all the way through.
Buck a foot for KICKER hyper flex wire.
Just a thought
Great! ;)
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
GK,
I agree, if it helps to reduce the effect, ie let you see it, but less dangerously then thats good.
I think what we are saying is that is heat generation in iron wire odd, no? Is the heat generated, more than the input power? Waiting on your test result.
Just wanted some clarification on what has been discovered because heat in a coil is expected isn't it? Without some temperature and power readings how do you know what you have is odd?
Forgive me if I missed anything where you already covered this.
Best Regards,
Dave.
I don't have the radient energy detector from c0m yet. So I need to get a tuning fork and thermometer setup to do. A simple test would be to see when the sweet spot hits and look at amps at the PSU. Yeh? But the the sweet spot is very tight and the heat jacks up!
--giantkiller.
GK,
Just wondering, have you been able to connect a resistor on the output coil and place a scope across it? What sort of power are you able to see?
At least we can say your input power is about 36 to 40 watts?
Thanks,
Dave.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 02:34:22 PM
GK,
Just wondering, have you been able to connect a resistor on the output coil and place a scope across it? What sort of power are you able to see?
At least we can say your input power is about 36 to 40 watts?
Thanks,
Dave.
I scope at the meeting point of the top collector input and the watt resistor and plus scope ground. Besides, where is the load point?
--giantkiller.
@GK,
Otto said from the end of the feedback coil that connects to the collectors and other end to the negative rail of the PS.
BTW, almost there, I am using all copper.
GK, I've finished winding the control coils on my GK replication TPU.
But I really need clarity on the circuit.
You have said you have 3x 100ohm 1/8 watt resistors, 3x 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistors, 6x 10 ohm 5 or 10 watt resistors (2 in parallel).
Basically I just need you to give your complete circuit, including 555 timer caps and resistors and single turn pots and all.
note: I can't get tip41a, so I got mosfets which I will drive with a push pull transistor pair.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 04:49:27 PM
@GK,
Otto said from the opposite end of the feedback coil that connectos to the collectors and the negative rail of the PS.
BTW, almost there, I am using all copper.
His diag I used has the feedback between the positive rail and all the outputs of the controllers not the collectors.
Now if CU is less resistive than FE you should get a more responsive snap which gives you a bigger faster field which gives you a faster effect which heats up the CU, Huh?
Than makes 1 iron core and 2 copper core. This ought to be interesting.
Build a cage!
--giantkiller.
I thought that the one end of the collectors (all three) are connected to one end of the feedback and the other end of the feedback was to the positive rail.
He said in his post to conenct the load to the negative rail and the connection point where the feedback coil meets the collectors.
I could of mis interpreted his post but that is what I got from it.
Yes it should be interesting..
Quote from: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 04:58:18 PM
GK, I've finished winding the control coils on my GK replication TPU.
But I really need clarity on the circuit.
You have said you have 3x 100ohm 1/8 watt resistors, 3x 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistors, 6x 10 ohm 5 or 10 watt resistors (2 in parallel).
Basically I just need you to give your complete circuit, including 555 timer caps and resistors and single turn pots and all.
note: I can't get tip41a, so I got mosfets which I will drive with a push pull transistor pair.
Fast pulses from groung to +v.
100 ohms to base.
collector to Otto's coil config. The hi watters are in the diag. and the freeback straight to +12v
All the 555 resistors are 200k pots, 2 per. duty and freq. the caps are 2.2Uf
Glad you are close. Gonna stay up late? I think so!
--giantkiller.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 05:06:22 PM
I thought that the one end of the collectors (all three) are connected to one end of the feedback and the other end of the feedback was to the positive rail.
He said in his post to conenct the load to the negative rail and the connection point where the feedback coil meets the collectors.
I could of mis interpreted his post but that is what I got from it.
Yes it should be interesting..
Look at the diag the clockwise outputs are connected together and no where else. I thought so too. The ends are just connected togther and nowhere else. Shorted!
Get those jumps on now and then get to the next jumping.
We'll cover the load later because I don't have any negative. If you do you cancel any field generated.
--giantkiller.
Radient energy detector from c0m????????????????????????????????????
And for all those watching...
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness free them."
--giantkiller.
Quote from: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 05:28:22 PM
Radient energy detector from c0m????????????????????????????????????
yeah, he posted before in another thread. We just talked about the necessity of it due to the danger involved and the increased number of coils coming on board. I've seen preliminary tests and data gathering real time.
Comes right out of the patent office too.
--giantkiller. Keep up. 8)
Searched, but I can't find the post you refer to, I'd loooooove a radiant energy detector.
Hi,
It seems to be here : http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21385/topicseen.html#msg21385
rgds
Gyula
Steven has said that using lampwire is much safer because, if harmonic perfection is reached,then the wire will just burn up....ending the units operation.
PLEASE heed this and do not find out the hard way....
He also said that" you may not have time to get to your kill switch"..
Up untill now many people may not have taken those warnings in the context that they were given in.
As gk said ,this is the first step down a rickety path.
What he said about pure frequency may now be apparent for everybody finding "q".
GK, and all I recomend a program called multisim 8.3.3.0 it will be useful in the long run
BTW I am not suggesting that people search for torrents!
be safe
Lindsay Mannix
I finished the control windings on my TPU_003. Feedback winding next. I still don't like the sloppy 555 R/C oscillators so I will be working on the AD9833 DDS waveform generators and pulse drivers. There are many ways to couple these waves into the TPU windings so I'll be working on some switching ckts also. ;) ;)
Judging by the cautionary statements I have seen I believe I'll move slowly into the tuning of this critter. I used to get headaches all the time working in the TV and Microwave shop. Singing coils in the horizontal sections of a set will drive you bonkers. Radio shop work seems to make you sleepy. But both of these experiences tells me I can switch very repidly with Triodes. I'm ordering those soon.
Heat is not necessarily a bad thing! I'd sure like to disconnect the water heater from the gas line :D :D
Working toward computer synthesis and control of this device so I can place it in a safe place and still adjust and test it properly.......................................... :-X :-X
All........... Please remember that RF emission is a by product of this testing let alone the things we don't understand........................... ;D
I am of the opinion that the energies from this device can be altered to be highly beneficial, they don't have to be harmful.
However I would add that a Dr. Hans Becker made a ring device, it was something along the lines of a Slim Spurling ring wrapped with a caduceus coil, it levitated and output gamma rays.
So anyone with a gieger counter might wanna test their ring out, I have a Geiger counter that should still work when I get my TPU running.
ps. So Lindsay, you're more of a usenet guy eh? ;) joking.
Well I just noticed something different in Otto's diag. compared to what I did. His collectors show a single turn and mine are 22 turn. Just a curious thing. I got results just the same. Not a show stopper. Go with we've designed already.
status?
--giantkiller.
Thoughts on Question Control & Information Management at Overunity
I was just reading starcruiser's reply #54. He mentions his copper-core TPU. I wonder about the specific wire size and specification, and how many turns.
I want to ask a question but I feel that I should go back over EVERYTHING starcruiser has posted all over the various SM threads BEFORE I ask, spending my time to insure that I do not waste his time reposting the same data.
Others, I have noticed, do not take the same precaution. I see GK posting the same answers to the same questions. Getting a little old, GK?
So, I am wondering, what would be a better way. Then I realized that we can edit our own posts. Bingo!
I propose making the first post of any thread the common information source.
Now that GK has his own thread that he started, he has total control of the first post. I propose that he edit his first post with FAQ answers and any new, or old, necessary attachments.
When starcruiser, or whomever finds the second ring, feels that he is ready for his own thread then he can do likewise.
It is an easy method requiring nothing from our moderator. If anyone has a question then they will be expected to look at the one place, the first post, for the answer before asking the question, possibly again.
Just running it up the flagpole. Salute it or shoot at it. Just trying to help everyone out. The inquisitive will have quicker access to basic replication data and the experts should have more time by not re-answering the same old questions. If TPU waves make them unstable then the same questions asked time and time again could push them over the edge. Nobody wants that. ;)
Sorry, my geek. :-[
This is my 42nd post here at overunity.com.
42: the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. :D
Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Douglas Adams, R.I.P. :'(
(I loved, Marvin, the paranoid android: "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed. Pardon me for breathing, which I never do any way so I don't know why I bother to say it, oh God, I'm so depressed. Funny, how just when you think life can't possibly get any worse it suddenly does. I'm not getting you down at all, am I? Do you want me to sit in the corner and rust, or just fall apart where I'm standing? Would you like me to go and stick my head in a bucket of water?" Good stuff.)
Yes, I to think organization is a good idea at this point .
**Good post Spherenot **
Quote from: IronHead on January 07, 2007, 07:33:01 PM
Yes, I to think organization is a good idea at this point .
**Good post Spherenot **
I am on it.
I think I will just locate docos and just stick them in as I find them and organize the post as I go along and build like a web page.
Thanks.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 08:06:52 PM
...and organize the post as I go along and build like a web page.
"That's whatI'mtalkin'bout, Willis!" -D.S.
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.
So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.
And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.
EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.
Quote from: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.
So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.
And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.
EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.
I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.
Quote from: mflynn44 on January 08, 2007, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.
So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.
And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.
EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.
I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.
There are 2 famous quotes:
'There are many ways to get there' and
'This thing is sloppy'. ;)
I have posted explicits on the 1st page per the instructions given me to do so.--giantkiller.
Well done, keep your lab tighty and organized
Congratulations GiantKiller, and also very nice organization suggestion Spherenot. I like it!
One suggestion if I may,
How about posting the results observed? Vibrations, heat, etc...
Probably a magnet field observation during process could help !
S
dL
GK, did you made a test with a photo plate?
I hope you do NOT get such results:
http://images.google.de/images?svnum=10&hl=de&lr=&q=r%C3%B6ntgen
..dani
I wonder if there is a way to meassure if there is any A/B/G/X rays being emmited... I think you need a filiment of some sort to emmit those rays, but I guess one can never be too safe.
I am hooking 'My precious' back into the circuit. We took a little walk today.
I am attaching a tuning fork to it like I was instructed to do.
Testing will commence shortly.
Here goes:
At the low freqs, tuning fork no good. @ 13K tuning fork no good. But coil sings hi pitch. Coil get very warm.
I feel a slight pressure on my ear drums. Probably from the hi pitch. I get earplugs. Stick ear plugs on coil. Feel much better now. Coil lookin good!
Lay tuning fork across coil @ 13K, fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
I can use the scope to track harmonics and that will let me do an amperage check 'on sync' and 'off sync'.
On resonance @ 13k, Ampmeter @ PSU says 2.18a +150v p2p. -10v visible.
@ any resonance point the coil gets hot but the amps are around 2.03 - 2.06 and the volts are 130 - 190. But here is the thing when the coil is off resonance it looks more like a short and the amps go up to 2.25.
So here is my take with the sloppy pots, the coil seems to work like a normal transformer. You can hit the impedance level with the freqs. All harmonics show hi volts. On average it looks like 300 watt draw. But this device puts out kicks like a stun gun, but no sparks. Adjusting the harmonic range speeds up the kicks, naturally. But you can feel other things with your hand. Oops, that was the other day.
But on the coil @2k the coil gets the hotest. prob the 4" diam. but the amps = 1.92 which is the lowest.
No, at 500hz harmonic I get .92 amp, 140v, and a very hot coil. Ok I touched it, i'm sorry. But I left it in its cage, really. I won't do it again. But this is the best yet. Hot coil, good voltage, lowest wattage.
Could somebody please step up and back me up with their tests? Am I the only one? Ok I am going have to change my name to THX1138.
But wait, So now I do Rock and roll test:
freq a: 3.4k
freq b: 3.4k
freq c: 3.4k
130v spikes out 70usec cycle width. Produces a magnetic ball radius of 12". How do I find this out? I turn on big BOSE power tower, turn up loud, hold axe next to coil. Now whole neighborhood know I doing freakazoid experiments. House shake big time. I adjust freqs. Hmm, me sound better than Jimi Hendrix. Could be that waves affecting my judgement.
So the Rock -n- roll test goes on for 1/2 hour. 130 volt spikes, coil warm to the touch, ooh I'm sorry, 0.61a. steady. After ready Grumpy's statement today, it made me think that I need to just pick off the kicks externally. So if you can get a nice stable stream of kicks then you have generated consistancy. And that I should be able to induct off? I bought some great 8 gauge audio cable to wrap the coil with to get a ring. ;)
An hour later and wouldn't ya know it. The Rock -n- roll continues to perform very stable.
coil is a little warm.
I have been sitting next to the circuit powered on for 2 hours and now no head pain except for the headbanging while my coil played the guitar! But the biggest news is that the screen cage works! The heck with the rest, I got safety, Jack! Thank you for the post for that.
This was with 3 seperate clocks.
But I have to change the pots out for finer control before anymore testing on this bench.
Stay tuned when next time giantkiller says 'I now put in 1 clock for parallel feed'. Oooh. The crowd roars and he takes a bow as the curtain closes.
As long as I am a one man show guess I run the show? No fun playing alone! Need friends!
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 08, 2007, 11:28:43 PM
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?
Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.
You slay me. :D
Look ma! Baby's first words! kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick.
Why he got your turns PA! Yep he's a real perfomer this one is...
Ya know ma? I think he just waved,waved,waved at us!
12 volts @ .61amps
50usec / div, 20v / div.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Spherenot on January 08, 2007, 11:45:59 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 08, 2007, 11:28:43 PM
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?
Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.
You slay me. :D
I didn't say in your eyes, dude!
Hey GK,
Is your coil powering an amp?
Or you using a mic to pick up the noise coming from the coil, and amplifying that.
Thanks,
Dom
good job GK nice scope shot
but now can you light a 60w with that?
Mike
Hi all,
Somebody said that "It is only a matter of time before somebody blows themselves up!"
GK.. slow down a bit mate....let a few others catch up..and Please ..GK what are u using to kill the frequencies?...
Steven has said that auto over voltage cutout is the only way to prevent real danger!
I suggest that we concentrate on a good `cut out method at this point..before trying to get more because if you do reach it you will never have time to reach the manual kill switch..
PLEASE incorporate this in your designs....this is a research project.
Danger present and real..
GK has said this .... Please take it seriously.
Now lets get a good, fast, overvoltage frequency cut off circuit.
If one of you stops writing we will may not wonder what has happened.
Lindsay Mannix
GK and all!
Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.
You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?
Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result? What have I missed and what has been discovered here? I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head? Someone please educate me!
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Lindsay,
for protection what do you think about these polyswitches:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?FORM=KEYWORD, they cut out when current reaches critical.
Cheers,
Dom
oops sorry, here are the hits on jaycar website on fuses:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?whichpage=1&pagesize=10&keywords=fuse&CATID=&SUBCATID=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&SPECIAL=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=
there are many like quickblow fuses and temp switches, etc
Thanks,
Dom
For over voltage protection you would need a fuse and a crow bar.
typically http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/crowbar.php
But search google with "crowbar circuit".
AM
Hi All,
Lol, while checking out this cool website i found something here that looks great:-
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TD2055&CATID=&keywords=fuse&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=
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"Smart" screwdriver is the latest in hi-tech test screwdrivers.It allows you to check / test the following safely:
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Quote from: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 04:55:02 AM
GK and all!
Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.
You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?
Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result? What have I missed and what has been discovered here? I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head? Someone please educate me!
Regards,
Dave.
Dave............I expect alot of heat when consuming 300 Watts in a small device. I don't think anyone is claiming discovery, just foward motion with this project. GK is getting results that seem to be in line with what Lindsay and the Silent One say. I will be very impressed with myself when I can induce longitudinal waves in my copper cores from windings oriented at 90 degrees to them.
I will also be quite impressed if the permanent magnets stay magnetized permanently when exposed to AC fields and heat. I have to look back and see where these scope shots are being taken from.
Slow and steady progress will allow for a realatively safe environment and learning. I personally will not be satisfied until I can tell the energy GIANTS to FO. But that is my personal goal. If I get there you will all get a copy of the "Plans". I will not discourage anyone's efforts and I allplaud you all for having the balls to even start looking for solutions to the energy issues we all face together.
My synth chips are enroute.......my PCB will be next............TPU_004 will be wound exactly as GK and Otto have posted. Cosistent KICK is the goal for our class at this point, I believe, firing up the 200Amp service without the electric company will have to wait a bit.
Regards and good testing.......Gentlemen................. ;D
Hi,
These spikes are created by electrostatic coupling. Everyone knows there is no magnetic coupling at 90 degrees, but we also know there is electrostatic coupling. There is no mythical longitudinal EM waves involved to make this?!
I am just not sure what advancement has been made? Those spikes are what we have all seen while testing and are due to known capacitive coupling.
GK, are you able to confirm any weight loss or the gyroscopic feel? Have you been able to perform the power in to heat out test?
Regards,
D.
First, I think we all should give GIANT Kudos to GK for his perseverance in his work & for sharing his findings, diagrams, photos, & work with the world.
I am just a dumb ?newby? here, but it looks like Otto?s schematic is flawed (shorted out). No offense Otto. I strongly suspect that this is why GK?s TPU is over heating.
If you look close at Otto?s diagram:
1. There isn?t any Collector Power output terminals to attach a Load to. SM?s units did have Load Terminals where he connected light bulbs, etc.
2. The Collector Wires on all 3 Coils (Top, Middle, & Bottom) are all feeding other Control Wires & other Collector wires. It appears to me that all of the Collected Power is ?backing up? & is being expended on the TPU itself, thus causing overheating & a possible dangerous condition.
Just a dumb ?newby? trying to help out.
Regards.
.
I'm with you ctglabs,Ã, no offence GK but the results seem to be "ordinary".Ã, You have done good work though, nice coil and set up.
The spikes posted by GK are from powering and then turning off a coil, and we see the kickback which builds the high voltage spike.Ã,Â
What are the unusual phenomena though?Ã, Is it strange vibrations?Ã, Is it striking some sort of resonance that makes everything shake?Ã, Is it heat?
I know you're excited GK,Ã, but for the advancement of the art, let's approach one observation at a time and investigate it in detail.
EM
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 04:55:02 AM
GK and all!
Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.
You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?
Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result? What have I missed and what has been discovered here? I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head? Someone please educate me!
Regards,
Dave.
I too am not surprised by this heat generated. It's not difficult to make a 40W or 60W light bulb glow using this amount of wire with a 'hot' air cored transformer using an 8 amp 12V supply and pulsed current. I've done it several times.
When someone does eventually get the lamp to glow don't take too much notice of what your amp meters are reading as load current because we hopefully all know the difficulties in accurately measuring pulsed DC current in complex waveforms. However the heat is a good guide and the hotter your TPU becomes, the more current you will be pulling from the PSU - no kidding. The magic happens when you can reduce the input current and maintain the lamp glowing. I've not done it yet but I live in hope that it can be done as we all do. SM has either got his running on little / nothing or pure bulls....Time will tell.
All,
Well it sounds to me that at 3.4Khz he is drawing .61 amps from a 12vdc source, this works out to be 7.32 watts with an output of 130V. The next test is can we use this 130v to power anything?
@GK,
I tried to replicate your experiement but have not gotten any real results so far. I am reviewing my signal sources and thinking I need to replace my output transistors. I put 100 ohm resistors for biasing the transistors and put in a 100 ohm (1/2 watt) for current limiting (this is from the positive rail to the feedback coil). Current is limited to less than 370mA at its worst. The 100 ohm current limiting resistor gets warm (expected) but the kicks are less than 2vpp.
I will continue testing tonight after I change the drivers, this will allow me to increase the current to the TPU.
Test setup overview....
My test setup uses a 12vdc 5Ah battery with a DVM in series (using the 10A setting) to monitor the current draw.
My signal source is 3 dual 555 timer chips (NE556), only one clock is used at the moment. I planned on using the second clock for pulse shaping if required.
TImer 1 outputs from 2.8Khz to well over 6Khz
Timer 2 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz
Timer 3 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz
Driver transistors are used as GK and Otto have them wired (switched Ground) and the collector is connected to the signal points on Otto's TPU diagram. THe current limiting resistor is placed between the Feedback coil and the positive 12v rail.
Test point is between the control coil to feedback coil connect point and the negative rail. I am using a 13k resistor for a load, I may try a larger value later in my testing.
I am thinking my current test results are being affected by the TIP31 transistors, thus my change tonight to a faster and higher current device.
More to come
Hi Carl,
Have you wound a new TPU like GK's?
Can you lower the current limiting resistors to 2x10ohm like GK so the setup can be identical?
Regards,
D.
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.
Mine is:
COllectors 15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil
COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.
Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.
SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.
I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.
I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.
Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).
Quote from: starcruiser on January 09, 2007, 02:23:26 PM
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.
Mine is:
COllectors 15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil
COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.
Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.
SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.
I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.
I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.
Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).
Copper:
depending on the cross section I.E. gauge. The quote "there are many ways to solve this' means lots of copper paths not lots of copper volume in the path. lots of paths means lots of magnetic fields to get excited. We are aiming at the stress from electrons aligning not the fields themselves. Think of it that way. I made the most dramatic advance when I changed to this way of thinking. I saw the results from c0msters hand wound coil demo and it clicked for me. So i went with that. And that is how I came up with my controls. It also lined up with alot of Tesla diagrams. Big copper, few loops to small copper lots of turns. Does any of this come the standard way of thinking? No. We are not doing standard things!
You have made great progress so far. Up your current to see other things.
Thanks GK,
I have copper as well.
I want to offer an analogy.
Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.
There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.
We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.
The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.
I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.
It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be best.
using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.
CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY
Lindsay Mannix
Quote from: Mannix on January 09, 2007, 06:02:39 PM
Thanks GK,
I have copper as well.
I want to offer an analogy.
Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.
There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.
We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.
The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.
I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.
It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be best.
using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.
CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY
Lindsay Mannix
I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.
tnx, giantkiller.
Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm
Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)
disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 09, 2007, 07:05:57 PM
Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm
Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)
disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.
That is an easy try! Tnx.
I see we thinking the same thing, I just found this on a search.
?Summary of The Electro-Radiant Even
1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct current is discharged across a spark-gap and interrupted abruptly before any reversals of current can occur
2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is a charged capacitor.
3. The Electro-Radiant Event leaves wires and other circuit components perpendicular to the flow of current.
4. The Electro-Radiant Event produces a spatially distributed voltage that can be thousands of times higher than the initial spark discharge voltage.
5. It propagates instantaneously as a longitudinal, electrostatic ?light-like ray? that behaves similarly to an incompressible gas under pressure.
6. Electro-Radiant effects are solely characterized by impulse duration and voltage drop in the spark-gap
7. Electro-Radiant effects penetrate all materials and create ?electronic responses? in metals like copper and silver. In this case, ?electronic responses? means that an electrical charge will build up on copper surfaces exposed to Electro-Radiant emissions.
8. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds are completely safe to handle and will not shock or cause harm.
9. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds are cold and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.?
My thinking is there is no way to get around the fact there are two coils 90 Degrees apart, movement of charge(electrostatic)- radiant event like Edwin Gray and Tesla used is the only way I can think of. This means current rise and fall times must be extremely small and abrupt, which semiconductors probably will not handle well. To Giantkiller--- I read as well that longer durations or impulses can be BAD for you.
I do not think FET's or 555's will do the job here, notice the time function mentioned above - 100 nanoseconds at probably hundreds of amps.
I found a good analogy for this, something called a water hammer pump. A long pipe carries moving water and a valve on the end opens and closes abruptly. When the valve closes the momentum of all the water in the pipe is converted to pressure at the valve,this opens a check valve and high pressure water is ejected-from a low pressure source. Now---- imagine a wire or coil with current(water) flowing in it and the switch is opened abruptly-valve on end is closed. With nowhere to go the energy will burst from the wire(pipe). It will always move perpendicular to the source outward, BUT ----it will only do so if there is enough current flow(momentum) and only if the switching is extremely abrupt. I don't think any of these conditions have been met from what I have read, But damn I think your getting close.
Super fast switching- no reversal may be the ticket
Radiant Energy - Turbo wasn't full of crap after all.
Damn fine summary.
Many ways to capture it. Many ways to create.
Semiconductors can switch fast enough, but are not perfect switches. What is different between tubes and semiconductors? What do their pulses look like? What did Tesla say was required for the effect to manifest?
What is in the center of SM's large coils - two toroids, some capacitors? Pulse transformer - capacitors dumping - just like TAO said - about the capacitors at least.
Tesla's patent has a capacitor, he found that the effect was greatly improved with a capacitor -where did he place it? The electrolitic capacitor (like a cylinder) on Turbo's board could for the oscillator, or could serve another purpose.
Like Ahura said, understand what it is you want to collect, and then develop a way to collect it.
Hello all,
if you dont know whats the fastest switch in the world I will say you:
Its just the discharging of a capacitor!! Without anything else!!!
Charge a capacitor then short his connections. BUUUUM!
Otto
YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT ANY THING TO SHORT OUT ANYWHERE!
This would just make it much ,much worse.
OPEN CIRCUIT... I suggest that there is nothing but a relay that will do this.
In series with control inputs , three poles....opening the circuit!
Any body who gets the klicks should stop....and check that their over voltage cut off is set at a safe level.
If you do not follow this I sincerely suggest that you do not mess with the tpu..
A capacitor will charge to a certain voltage level and then not take anymore charge - essentially switching off.
Quote
MANNIX:
YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT ANY THING TO SHORT OUT ANYWHERE!
Mannix - want to share a little with them about this?
QuoteA capacitor will charge to a certain voltage level and then not take anymore charge - essentially switching off.
Actually, with a constant current a capacitor will continue to charge past it's rated voltage until corona effects either limit further charging or, if the charging current is high enough, cause dielectric breakdown and failure of the device.
You know you are getting close to failure by examining the noise on top of the charge (corona noise). or the sharp increase in current if slowly ramping up from a voltage source.
Some dielectric materials are self healing and can recover from small punctures. Others fail catastrophically.
I work as a consultant to High Energy Corp, manufacturer of high voltage ceramic and wound foil capacitors. http://www.highenergycorp.com
Thanks Vortex1. Everything has it's limitations.
This form of energy is not "current" in the classical sense, it's what you get just before the current flows - before the charge carriers start to move - per the explanations of radiant energy researchers such as Bedini and Tesla.
By what ever means - you want to relax the field - stop the reaction - whatever you want to call it - before it becomes a problem. Did every see the post about SM and the little meetiong he had about the device being used as a weapon of destruction?
Grumpy,
Even a simple rock can be used in a destructive manner. I wonder if the first people who came up with a knife debated so much about it's destructive power.
AM
I was just implying that it should not be left unattended unless protected from itself.
I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.
tnx, giantkiller.
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You can use an MOV or zener as your trip sensor. When the voltage goes over the threshold then it can trip a relay latch system that cuts the power to your supply.
Use a small micro power 5V relay as your trip relay that runs a bigger power relay.
Quote from: mrl on January 10, 2007, 12:40:36 PM
I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.
tnx, giantkiller.
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You can use an MOV or zener as your trip sensor. When the voltage goes over the threshold then it can trip a relay latch system that cuts the power to your supply.
Use a small micro power 5V relay as your trip relay that runs a bigger power relay.
Tnx. The relay is what I am going to do.
Be cheaper than fuses at this point.
Last night I coiled(7 turns, doesn't matter) 8 gauge Easyflow audio cable inside my GK4 (TPU#4)and brought both ends out in parallel. I then touched my 1st finger to one end and my favorite finger to the other end. When I changed freqs I notice little random muscle contractions in my lower outer arm at different places. Random though, but there is an application of some sorts.
Just sit in the control seat, turn it on and go to phenominal places on an amazing journey! --giantkiller.
Quote from: allcanadian on January 09, 2007, 08:53:27 PM
My thinking is there is no way to get around the fact there are two coils 90 Degrees apart, movement of charge(electrostatic)- radiant event like Edwin Gray and Tesla used is the only way I can think of. This means current rise and fall times must be extremely small and abrupt, which semiconductors probably will not handle well. To Giantkiller--- I read as well that longer durations or impulses can be BAD for you.
I do not think FET's or 555's will do the job here, notice the time function mentioned above - 100 nanoseconds at probably hundreds of amps.
I found a good analogy for this, something called a water hammer pump. A long pipe carries moving water and a valve on the end opens and closes abruptly. When the valve closes the momentum of all the water in the pipe is converted to pressure at the valve,this opens a check valve and high pressure water is ejected-from a low pressure source. Now---- imagine a wire or coil with current(water) flowing in it and the switch is opened abruptly-valve on end is closed. With nowhere to go the energy will burst from the wire(pipe). It will always move perpendicular to the source outward, BUT ----it will only do so if there is enough current flow(momentum) and only if the switching is extremely abrupt. I don't think any of these conditions have been met from what I have read, But damn I think your getting close.
Super fast switching- no reversal may be the ticket
MOSFETs will turn on and off in a matter of nanoseconds. An IRF 840 will have a switching on/off time of about 20 nanoseconds. This should be good enough. You just need a precision pulse generator. You need to control your frequency and duration parameters more precisely. A 555 timer will not give you the rise and fall times that you need unless you pump its output through a MOSFET driver, and even then your not going to get the duration control that you need.
GK,
Here is my new TPU as close to your specs as I could. I am not sure what no this one is, I think its TPU v7.0, but I lost count of of how many I made so its the GK version!
D.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 10, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
GK,
Here is my new TPU as close to your specs as I could. I am not sure what no this one is, I think its TPU v7.0, but I lost count of of how many I made so its the GK version!
D.
Wire it from Otto's diagram and pump it up! Tweak the freqs and make it sing. It's pretty hard not make it work. And yes, I used 10 ohm 10watts, 2 in parallel (5 ohms) for each frequency input line.
Cool, --giantkiller.
GK
Can you get any glow from a 40W / 60W light bulb as a load on the collector coil and if so how much current are you drawing from your PSU? If no, can you run any other load from the collector? Also, what is your running current with no load?
Quote from: Hoppy on January 10, 2007, 04:19:22 PM
GK
Can you get any glow from a 40W / 60W light bulb as a load on the collector coil and if so how much current are you drawing from your PSU? If no, can you run any other load from the collector? Also, what is your running current with no load?
I have not hooked in anything to harvest the kicks fully. My direction is to implement safety, then apply tuning, I believe kick harvest fits in right here, then drive a load. The GK4 is not ready as a power source yet because it is not tuned which requires a firewall so to speak.
If I was to tune without safety I would not get the support of others in this endeavor here. They wouldn't need to me support because I would just blow myself up ahead of time. Makes sense don't it?
--giantkiller.
'I know Kung Fu'
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
GK,
I think I missed something somewhere along the line. The way you were jumping around and praising yourself, I thought that you were running your house off of the TPU unit. You mean you didn't even hook up a light bulb to see if it would glow?? I don't know about you, but I think it would be the first thing I tried. ??? ??? ??? ???
Tim
Quote from: MrMag on January 10, 2007, 09:55:45 PM
GK,
I think I missed something somewhere along the line. The way you were jumping around and praising yourself, I thought that you were running your house off of the TPU unit. You mean you didn't even hook up a light bulb to see if it would glow?? I don't know about you, but I think it would be the first thing I tried. ??? ??? ??? ???
Tim
That level of completion is not designed in yet. The list is in a previous post. I just bought the relays for the runaway firewall and am doing the logistics of where on my boards they will go.
OBTW, because I followed orders, now I am just having fun. My level of happiness was one of immense gratitude to others.
Build one.
GK,
Terminals now finished, we are ready to rock and roll!
D.
Ok, GK,
All wired and ready to be fired!
D.
Hi,
I've been following this interesting thread for a couple of days now.
I can't say that I have the definite answer to why the units can kick, but take a look at the attached scans from my physics book.
To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately >:(
Another thing that baffels me is that some drives the coils way too hard. If the coils are pulsed with square signals you will have a LOT of harmonic signals on the secondary side of the transformer. (Yes, you will have a magnetic coupling between the primary, secondary and all other coils within its flux lines. An ideal square signal consists of every odd harmonic you can think of, which could be the reason the coil(s) heats up)
The video is proof that electricity isn't something to be toyed with ;D
More fun stuff at: http://ee.stlcc.info/movies/
@Dave,
Hi,
So that is CTG7? This must the pocket version. Very, very nice. I will be interested in the specs diff based upon your size change(3"?) with iron core. This will show important results!
Great job, Dave!
This site gets wacky during posting sometimes :D
Here is a better ring driver circuit I call a cascade buck booster, it works on the principal that a coil or inductance will accept current slower than a capacitor. Buck boosters or DC-DC converters can be up to 95% efficient in stepping up DC voltage. As well this is a recycler circuit, you will notice forward current is always driven to the right, upon charging C2 at high voltage it returns to the battery through D3-L3. This is the correct way to design circuits, it is a simple process-step up voltage all through the process and return to source.
Here is the process
-C1,C2 charge to 12V
-J1 closes then opens quickly, this produces a large current flow through L1 initially, when J1 opens the Bemf raises the voltage determined by the duty cycle of J1,this moves through D1 to C1 and charging C1 to a higher voltage, this is a conventional buck booster.
- However, the Bemf from L1 will charge C1 faster than the current can move through L2, so C1 charges then pushes the current through L2 after a slight delay. During this slight delay J2 is closed then opened. This creates an additive effect on L2 as it is fed from C1 and which then pulls from V1 through L1. clear as mud! It gets worse.
- this is a cascade partially forced resonant system, meaning there is natural resonance between (L1-C1-L2), (C1-L2-C2), (L2-C2-L3) in that order, but working voltage and duty cycle are determined by the duration of J1 and J2 and the spacing between there cycles.
- So we have a circuit to pulse L1-L3 with fast pulse high voltage spikes from a low voltage source(V1 @ 12volts), as well all current is moving in a forward direction(V1-L1-D1-C1-L2-D2-C2-D3-L3-V1) a loop.
- The scope shot shows what happens when J1 is opened then closed-then J2 is opened then closed, this cycle repeating. Working voltage in the system is determined by the delay in time between J1 and J2 cycling.
I use DC-DC converters or Buck boosters on everything I build, Transformers are old news, so give this try and you will see higher efficiency with minimal components. It should be obvious you can generate very high voltages at high frequency so be careful.
These are cool. I use them too.
Also,
Thoughts Are Things
I hold it true that thoughts are things;
They?re endowed with bodies
and breath and wings:
And that we send them forth to fill
The world with good results, or ill.
That which we call our secret thought
Speeds forth to earth?s remotest spot,
Leaving its blessings or its woes
Like tracks behind it as it goes.
We build our future, thought by thought,
For good or ill, yet know it not.
Yet so the universe was wrought.
Thought is another name for fate;
Choose then thy destiny and wait,
For love brings love and hate brings hate.
Henry Van Dyke
Quote from: Thedane on January 11, 2007, 11:20:04 AM
To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately >:(
You probably have not read that JM believes the TPU interacts with the magnetic field of the earth. The principle is the anomolous surge of current in a conductor when a switch is switched on. The extra current is supposed to come from the earth's magnetic field. If that is so and multiple "kicks" can be induced and collected then that is where the "magic" comes from.
Quote from: Gearhead on January 12, 2007, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: Thedane on January 11, 2007, 11:20:04 AM
To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately >:(
You probably have not read that JM believes the TPU interacts with the magnetic field of the earth. The principle is the anomolous surge of current in a conductor when a switch is switched on. The extra current is supposed to come from the earth's magnetic field. If that is so and multiple "kicks" can be induced and collected then that is where the "magic" comes from.
Do you believe this current is due to the earths field and is not normal inrush current? We have been over this many times but generally the answer is that its inrush current caused by normal circumstances?
If the earths field can cause an extra current to flow, then surely all it does is help electrons flow from the source faster than normal and if so, it will deplete a battery faster, so there is there anything free?
Are you able to show us or tells us a demonstration to show there is extra current for free from the earths field interaction?!
Steven Mark has mentioned this interaction since the beginning. So far only a couple of references have been found about it, but generally the "kick" has been a mechanical movement due to the earths field interacting with the wire, no extra current. Any references you can provide would be great.
Thanks,
Dave.
Just a thought, lets go way back to the kick, the interaction due to the earths field.
I think we all agreed that if the earths field does cause a small extra current in a wire that it surely just depletes the source faster.
But, what if, lets say we take back emf, that as the field collapses, we have all the energy that was stored in the coil back, but at this phase, if the earths field can interact we can get all the stored energy back plus a little extra and this will not come from the source.
However, I have no idea how this can work with a 90 degree collector or why that would be needed, but I can see what he means when he says "one kick amounts to nothing". But when you feedback and get a building cycle going, it can become great because after the first cycle we get all the stored energy back plus a little extra. If we now feed all that to another coil we get all the original plus the extra from the first cycle, plus more extra from the earths field, then we feed all that to the 3rd coil and so on. After the 3rd or 4th, it goes back to coil one. Each time you get a bit more. Soon, the battery which provided the small signal, can be removed?!
D.
I found this List of SM's comments & History somewhere, & just thought I would post it here. Maybe we can get some ideas from it??
The attached file is in MS Word format.
The Top 10 Comments are:
=============================================
Summary of Important Points:
1. Compass will spin up when turned on.
2. Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3. Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4. The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6. First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7. You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8. There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector Units. Start them 1 at a time.
9. The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
Regards.
.
Hmmmm,
Sounds like a great set of operational specifications to me!
You know, the real embarrasement is finding out something new that disspells the old of what we so tenciously hold onto!
--giantkiller..
Quote from: FatBird on January 12, 2007, 11:56:25 AM
I found this List of SM's comments & History somewhere, & just thought I would post it here. Maybe we can get some ideas from it??
The attached file is in MS Word format.
The Top 10 Comments are:
=============================================
Summary of Important Points:
1. Compass will spin up when turned on.
2. Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3. Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4. The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6. First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7. You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8. There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector Units. Start them 1 at a time.
9. The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
Regards.
.
Oooohhhh,
One small word can topple the greatest of enemies.
Item #3: & = and
You can have voltages execeeding the heat and heat exceeding the voltages. 2 seperate results. So it sounds like these are not related and are attributable to different phenomina. That clearly explains some of the mismatches in my results. How?
I cannot describe what's in a place unless I have been there the neccessary amount of time to find out. Sure beats cursing the darkness though.
--giantkiller.
p.s. Let's ty to take this sight down again...
The specifics state:
1: Harbours exceedingly high voltage
2: Can emit sparks and light
3: Without the proper shielding or you touch it, it can kill you!
My God, is this a
TPU?
Behold! These are the specifications right out of the Bible describing the Ark of the Covenant!This is quite the adventure isn't it?
It was only a matter of time before man would find the technology that he himself cannot withstand.
Here is the automatic kill switch which I haved named the 'GK-TPU Runaway Firewall'.
It consists of an lm324 op amp voltage comparator feeding a 555 1 sec monostable biasing a Tip29a conducting 3 relays in parallel. I connect the 3 TPU frequencies to the 3 commons and route the Normally closed outputs to the TPU itself. This serves to clamp the TPU operation by over voltage only. The input to the op amp is taken from between the 5 ohm collector resistor and the top collector.
Design to completion time was 2 days and there are 3 opamps left over for the thermistor addition.
--giantkiller. Safety first, thrills later.
Good work there GK
Ok, I suck at making circuits.
There are several reasons I haven't tested my almost completely build TPU (v1, GK's design) and most of it comes down to troubles with the 555 circuit, I solved most of the problems but 1 remains.
When I have any one of the 555's on it works fine, but when I turn on 2 or especially 3 they somehow interfere with each other.
Now this may be because I don't have a small value cap between pin 5 and GND, but I figured as everyone here has built this circuit, you should all know how to fix it.
So has anyone else had this problem?
I guess you are using the same supply for your electronics as the coils. I suggest you feed the circuit either from a separate supply or feed the existing supply though a diode to a 1000uF capacitor and feed your circuit from across the capacitor.
AM
Nop, no coils even connected yet, was just checking out the 555 circuit.
If you have not had this problem, please indicate if you put the cap on pin 5 and ground. (it will be a bit of a pain to add this 'optional' cap so I'd rather establish if it can possibly be the cure)
@aether
the dc line also transfer the frequencies to each other 555 !
"decoupling" this . each 555 "hook up" elektrolydt 10-50mf also
one 0,1mf (ceramic disk or foil-block)
if possibel connect al - (minus or grund points of IC (even ALL other in- and outputs)
to an SINGEL point !!!
(1mf = 1uf)
pese
Quote from: aether22 on January 13, 2007, 05:06:27 AM
Ok, I suck at making circuits.
There are several reasons I haven't tested my almost completely build TPU (v1, GK's design) and most of it comes down to troubles with the 555 circuit, I solved most of the problems but 1 remains.
When I have any one of the 555's on it works fine, but when I turn on 2 or especially 3 they somehow interfere with each other.
Now this may be because I don't have a small value cap between pin 5 and GND, but I figured as everyone here has built this circuit, you should all know how to fix it.
So has anyone else had this problem?
A simple fact maybe I missed.
I have a highly regulated, industrial 12v supply. I pull +5v from that thru a 7805 t220 package and more capacitor filtering. Then I have more capacitors at the 555s. And i repeat from somebody else, again each 555 has its own resistors and capacitors.
Don't give up! your so close. Ask questions, whenever. Somebody will pop up to the rescue! Don't be daunted by what others do. That just means they have to time to answer questions.
And don't tell yourself bad things. If you notice in this last set of postings nobody else did! You don't have that right either. Well you do, but don't.
So check this out http://thesecret.tv/home.html (http://thesecret.tv/home.html). A number of friends and I have been following this and the returns are phenominal.
How bad do you want it?@mrd10 , Tnx. It works like a champ.
--giantkiller.
Now, get out there and do geat things!
Reply to aether22:
I had that problem until I used small value capacitors. Even a few Pf seemed to do it.
Regards.
.
Hi TPU Builders,
I put this together for newbies and the experienced, Just design data. If anyone wants to make corrections, please do so.
Doco has safety cct, GK,s tpu specs, Cams cct for driving each coil, Tesla's patent
Dom ;)
Quote from: mrd10 on January 13, 2007, 08:29:44 PM
Hi TPU Builders,
I put this together for newbies and the experienced, Just design data. If anyone wants to make corrections, please do so.
Doco has safety cct, GK,s tpu specs, Cams cct for driving each coil, Tesla's patent
Dom ;)
One mistake on the 555 to tip41 schematic those transistors should by TIP41b's driven with 100 ohms 1/8w or 1/4w
tnx DOM
--giantkiller.
GK,
Have you been able to test the heat output to power input? Is there more heat than power in?
Regards,
Dave.
Ok no problem thanks GK.
Dom
GK,
I can confirm 150v spikes, however I believe these are normal spikes at the collector of the transistor. I confirmed this by removing the feedback from the collector coil and the spikes remained the same.
Can you disconnect the collector feedbacks and see if the spikes disappear or remain?
I can also see spikes across the collector coils of 100v, but if I load them with a very small 12v bulb, they go flat and the bulb does not light at all. There is no power in them.
I have not seen any heating so far.
D.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 14, 2007, 09:35:20 AM
GK,
I can confirm 150v spikes, however I believe these are normal spikes at the collector of the transistor. I confirmed this by removing the feedback from the collector coil and the spikes remained the same.
Can you disconnect the collector feedbacks and see if the spikes disappear or remain?
I can also see spikes across the collector coils of 100v, but if I load them with a very small 12v bulb, they go flat and the bulb does not light at all. There is no power in them.
I have not seen any heating so far.
D.
D can you tell us what youve done, specs that sort of thing, so maybe GK, can see anything amiss.
Cheers,
Dom
Hi Dom,
There is not much to tell so far. I have built a TPU as close to GKs as I can.
I have connected to it a 3 555 timer generator like GK and tuned through, nothing special.
I have tried a Seike oscillator (self fed 3 phase) I have tried white noise and I have tried a logic circuit which provides me with perfectly sync'd harmonics based on the input frequency.
I have attached a 4 channel digital thermometer to measure the TPU temperature in 3 locations and the last probe to measure the room temperature away from the coil.
I have measure the power in the feedback circuit, the 12ohm resistors in Ottos diagram, I have loaded the collectors down with various loads.
So far I have seen nothing I have not already seen.
I dont think I need to list anything further since I am not making any claims, just that I have made an identical TPU with the instructions given and I have seen nothing.
The tripple 555 timer circuit works very well and the PCB was kindly sent to me by Alex (GroundLoop), but its lowest frequency is 3.5Khz and GK has been testing around 10Hz.
So, next I have to connect my 3 independent function generators with some drivers to the TPU and hope that then I can see something nice.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
Have you seen this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21389.html#msg21389
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21397.html#msg21397
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on January 14, 2007, 12:48:27 PM
Dave,
Have you seen this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21389.html#msg21389
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21397.html#msg21397
AM
Hi, thanks for the references, I had read them before also. I did hold a small magnet nearby and could feel it vibrating, but what do you expect when you hold a magnet inside an oscillating field! Although I cannot say if it was somehow vibrating faster than the applied frequency, how can you tell? Perhaps wind a coil around the magnet and read out the frequency on a scope?
Well I will either build a 555 timer circuit which has 1-100Hz so its much more fine tuning or I will hook my signal generators x 3 to some transistor drivers and see if I can anything then.
Surely if the transistors are in full saturation have no voltage drop across them, then they could well remain cold while the higher resistance coil gets hot?
D.
No problem D, I was only trying to Help
Sincerely,
Dom
I have also built and tested my GK TPU, though I haven't tested it much.
The insulation on the wire I used was crap (It must be an awfully old spool of wire, like ancient, or it must have been heated, I won an internet auction) so there is a short between 2 on the control coil layers.
Because of this I am reducing the testing of it to 'quality time' before it gets any worse.
GK, I seem to recall you mentioning that it reversed the earth magnetic field, now if that's what you said, that would be a great test to try.
Though as the coils are wound on steel with opposing fields I would expect significalt external magnetic fields so are you sure it was indeed reversal of the earth magnetic field?
If it is true reversal you could of course turn the TPU and the compass needle shuldn't budge.
Otherwise please explain exactly what I need to do to see something because I fear it might not last for long. (and with control coil layers shorted together as is it simply may not work.
Quote from: aether22 on January 15, 2007, 11:30:15 PM
I have also built and tested my GK TPU, though I haven't tested it much.
The insulation on the wire I used was crap (It must be an awfully old spool of wire, like ancient, or it must have been heated, I won an internet auction) so there is a short between 2 on the control coil layers.
Because of this I am reducing the testing of it to 'quality time' before it gets any worse.
GK, I seem to recall you mentioning that it reversed the earth magnetic field, now if that's what you said, that would be a great test to try.
Though as the coils are wound on steel with opposing fields I would expect significalt external magnetic fields so are you sure it was indeed reversal of the earth magnetic field?
If it is true reversal you could of course turn the TPU and the compass needle shuldn't budge.
Otherwise please explain exactly what I need to do to see something because I fear it might not last for long. (and with control coil layers shorted together as is it simply may not work.
Hi,
When I got the new pots I went back and retested that. I am incompetent. I didn't right it down. Was doing too many tests. I can hook it back up tomorrow and see. Sorry about the short. I am working on GK5 at the moment and am testing it on my controller. Sorry. I am just moving ahead too fast. Remember this, without kicks you don't tune. And above all else, you want to get there. ;)
--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?
Talk at ya tomorrow.
Quote
--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?
Talk at ya tomorrow.
It's Camera shy, sensitive about it's hair. (I just have the wires going everywhere)
I'll post it soon, but please don't point and laugh.
Quote from: aether22 on January 16, 2007, 12:37:33 AM
Quote
--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?
Talk at ya tomorrow.
It's Camera shy, sensitive about it's hair. (I just have the wires going everywhere)
I'll post it soon, but please don't point and laugh.
I totally agree with you. A
bad wire day is nothing to thrust in the condeming public eye. But don't worry I will go first...
Here is the
runaway firewall circuit in circuit, and a test with 8 gauge audio cable (GK5). Although this later test is not fully tested yet.
Also,
I am not here to condem, judge or snipe at any attempts. If this project couldn't be done we wouldn't be here.
--giantkiller. The greatest accomplishment came from the attempts condemed by the largest groups. Can you say
aeroplane made from bicycle parts?
I greatly applaud GK's success. But I think the main reason WE as a group haven't achieved success is because we have lost our focus. If we re-read the 13 PAGE ATTACHED FILE (MS Word format) containing SM's words & admonitions ( and watch his videos), he mentions 3 Control Windings over the Collector Winding to cause a Rotating Magnetic Field. Remember that he uses the analogy of a GRADUAL "revving up" (or down) like a turbine. He says we can SEE IT on a compass placed in the center. Remember, SM said that modern MICRO CONTROLLERS make things easier. Hmmmmmmmm, why did he mention Programmable Micro Controllers? Let's see.
So far, most of us have been focusing on 3 different Frequencies, BUT, how can 3 frequencies, feeding 3 Control Windings, NOT SYNCHED TOGETHER, cause a Rotating Field. The answer is they CANNOT. How can they? When Freq 1 is rising on the scope, Freq 2 might be falling, & Freq 3 might be at zero. This is feeding continuously conflicting data to the Coils. No, this will not do it my friends. Unless we can rotate the field in synchronization (to Rev it Up), we cannot achieve success.
Plus, why build 3 Levels all at once. Why not build 1 Collector Coil Level with the 3 Control Windings on it to test our circuit with a compass. One level, rather than 3 will at least tell us if we are on the right track. Levels 2 & 3 can be added later after success with Level 1.
The objective is to Fire a Pulse to Coil 1, followed by a Pulse to Coil 2, followed by Pulsing Coil 3, etc, etc, etc, around & around in sync. How can this be best accomplished? I know there are many ways, such as Crystal Controlled Oscillators, Phase locked Loop Circuits, & Micro Controllers. But I can immediately think of 2 ways that would be the easiest using 555 Timers. There are hundreds of schematics on the web for Oscillators, 1 Shots, & Delay Circuits that use 555 Timers.
METHOD 1: How about a Circuit that has four 555 Timers fed from at least 12 Volts. Timer 1 would be the Main Variable Oscillator to adjust the Main Freq. This Timer could feed 3 other 555 Timers configured as One Shots simultaneously in synchronization. The three 555 One Shot Delay Pulse Widths would be configured to output 3 different Pulse Widths IN SYNC!!! This configuration must cause each Coil to be Pulsed SEQUENTIALLY, 1,2,3, around & around & around, in a circle!!!
METHOD 2: Method two is using a Shift Register. One 555 Variable Square Wave Oscillator would feed a Shift Register that would sequentially fire Power Transistors that Fire the 3 Coils.
Respectfully Submitted.
.
I can agree with this, in the texts of the old messages; 3 coils for sure. It also does state in there using 1 frequency and the second and third being harmonics of the first. Just dont know which ones. Also states turn on freq1 and wait a bit, then freq2 and wait a bit, then freq3. When they start to sync, that would sure make a revolving mag field. Just some musing along that line.
sugra
From the past messages I see reference to three coils for the COLLECTOR coil but no number on the control coils. Where are you getting this info? The pictures of the open unit visually show 4 control coils, (two sets opposing each other?).
quote:
About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
unquote
Kent
Yep! I thank you, Fatbird. That is the 2nd time you've come in after my posts to reiterate very valid findings. Affirmation leads others to progress.
My kicks were said to be obvious but were in line with what Otto had done. But we're the only ones producing them. You speak of synchronization of the 555s. That I don't have yet. I am in the process of implementing that in my existing circuitry. And that is what I want to stress! Somebody mentions an update and I don't need to switch paths, I can just do it. The flexibility to jump is inherent. So I now have time and the platform to pursue that.
And the big thing is, after months of posters postulating kicks, Otto & I got them. But the bigger issue is "We be sloppy!". So that does point to there are many ways to get there. Did anybody else here get immediate mails and postings about the dangers! I think not! What does that show you?
I sit back now and watch for postings of valid input. These posts are a whole different arena of execution now. Remember the look on Jodie Foster's face in 'Contact' when she looked out into the void and exclaimed 'It's beautiful!'? I been there for 2 weeks! I am still amazed and exhausted. Wish you all could join me.
I didn't answer electical questions because I don't care! That is somebody elses job. I don't care what color the tires are. I am flying down the highway.
So. Thanks to all for everything that has been posted. There has been an infinite amount of knowledge here. The TPU really does work, up to this point. It doesn't matter if it can be explained away. I don't give a damn! I've seen enough talk Since Sept 2006.
I got fun under my sun! And most important. If this TPU isn't it, who cares! I got past the diatribe to experimentation. Shit, that was easy. Now I can dream further.
@Fatbird, tnx for the doc. I am playing catch up. And I have a feeling I'll be the one to make the next step...
--giantkiller. I am not going anywhere. Everything has value and it's all good!
Based upon Fatbird's post about clock synchronization, I will not undo Otto's jumpers on GK4 but will jumper GK3(fatter gauge though) to put the 3 layers in parallel, modify the quadrature control down to 1 block of 4 channels instead of 2 blocks of 8 channels. Right now both 74ls193 are count up linked so I have 8 channels running. I will run off of one 74ls193. That will give control to 4 sets. The key was 3 frequencies. Vague talk again for 3 input signals. That frequency is to be tuned to the coils diameter or circumference. ;) This will let me get the compass spinning.
Then I connect my GK4! And the monster should breathe fire, eh?
When I reported my results on the heat & energy waves. They didn't last long because of the constant out of phasing condition only working with harmonics. The off harmonic is the confusion. I saw that many times changing freqs.
Hmmmm. I am all over this.
--giantkilller. 8)
Hi giantkiller, FatBird, all,
Mannix just posted about the CMOSmax308
http://www.rtcs.ru/pdf/Maxim/switch/MAX308-MAX309.pdf
Quote from: Mannix on January 16, 2007, 06:32:18 PM
Im using ss max308 sources.
I connected the output of the tongtail phase splitter...very low level. Then observed the wave form on the collector. I freq only. the other amps are still not quite complete.
what I saw at 30 khz was a little waver....just a tiny waver.
I have used these in the past. They are excellant products. Maxim as a whole produces a wide array of conversion products. Their RS-232 single chip TX/RC are great!
--giantkiller.
One way you can limit the heating effect of the collector coils is my making them out of 1/4 or 1/8 inch diameter copper tubing. Then you run water through them. You now have water heater and an energy system for your home.
All,
I figured I would post a photo of my progress. TPU_004 under construction. That is 15 turns of 10ga solid copper in the core and 20ga magnet wire for the control winding.
TPU_003 is also in the picture. All three control windings are wound on a solid copper core of single turns I wire in parallel.
I haven't seen anything I would consider unusual to date. But I'm not doing my tests exactly as GK or Otto. I figure we already have testers/investigators moving that direction and posting their findings. I still have to figure out how I'm going to move a geomagnetic line of force and then let it recoil in a controlled fashion. Consider this, when a solar flare disturbs the geomagnetic fields, in some cases FREAKING HUGE quantities of energy are coupled. We are apparently seeking to perform a similar task except we are right in the middle of the field. Movin forward.
Regards,
JT
aether22............and anyone else, have a look at this "ugly" contraption. We are not making production models so don't worry about pretty devices at this point. Lets make them work and understand it....then we can do a nice paint job....you are actively investigating phenomena.........Loki........
Oh yea.....that picture is the prototype transistor in 1947. Photo credit to whomever it belongs to. If anyone has heartburn with me posting this photo I will delete it.....Just let me know.
@Loki67671,
Stop! The control coils are supposed to be in segments. There are 3 or 4 per layer. GK4 uses 4. There have been some posters use 3. The latest posts support 3. I got good results from 4. I am heading towards the control coil sequential sequencing of a 4 segment unit. This test should add the rotating field consistantly.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Loki67671 on January 17, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
aether22............and anyone else, have a look at this "ugly" contraption. We are not making production models so don't worry about pretty devices at this point. Lets make them work and understand it....then we can do a nice paint job....you are actively investigating phenomena.........Loki........
Oh yea.....that picture is the prototype transistor in 1947. Photo credit to whomever it belongs to. If anyone has heartburn with me posting this photo I will delete it.....Just let me know.
It's the boys at RCA! Giant tweakers!
--giantkiller.
Unfortunately I've not been able to follow all the messages because of delays in getting Internet connections to our new house -- apparently someone crushed the communications and cable-TV conduits during the build and we have been "off air" for quite a while, and for some time into the future.
None the less, here is something I just realised and would like to share. (Hopefully I'm not being too redundant.)
Consider signals S1, S2 and S3 with frequencies F1, F3 and F5 respectively. Let those frequencies be harmonically related, for example, as fundamental, third harmonic and fifth harmonic respectively.
Generate signals S1 (at frequency F1) such that it will cycle (i.e., rotate) around the loop. This is easily done, for example, with coherent sine-wave and cosine-wave component driving 4 independent coils. Of course, other configurations with different numbers of coils are possible. As the sine and cosine wave progress over time, we generate a rotating magnetic field vector.
Now consider adding S2 (a 3rd harmonic of F1, for example) to the mix. Ensure S2 is synchronised with S1 such that the S2 will rotate with its synchronised sine and cosine components in the same direction as S1. And finally, consider adding S3 (a 5th harmonic of F1) to S1 and S2, taking care to maintain sychnronisation of waveforms and, thereby add to the rotating magnetic vector.
Given the above, if we match the amplitudes and phases correctly -- see any EE textbook on amplitude and polarity of harmonics of a square wave -- we now have a near-square wave rotating magnetic field vector. When one thinks of this, it (at least to me) is astounding because square waves have very abrupt leading and falling edges! These high-gradient zones are where things happen for extracting/creating the vacuum-energy/negative-entropy. Think about it: This agrees with so many pioneers' and researchers' works and results in these fields. But it gets better.
If one uses two square waves for S1 -- in the same relationships as if they were sine-wave and cosine-wave -- and one then adds S2 and S3, in like fashion, now one can create very-abrupt edges on the rotating magnetic field vector. Accurate synchronisation of S1, S2 and S3 is critical to creating the abruptness. These very-abrupt edges can allow for even greater extraction/creation of vacuum-energy/negative-entropy. I believe Tom B' and John B' (and many others) would be so proud of Steven -- yet another method to "tap" into the background energies that have been, and are, there all the time.
Well, that just my "two bits" worth.
Cheers,
Ed
Quote from: edo on January 17, 2007, 03:46:59 PM
Consider signals S1, S2 and S3 with frequencies F1, F3 and F5 respectively. Let those frequencies be harmonically related, for example, as fundamental, third harmonic and fifth harmonic respectively.
Generate signals S1 (at frequency F1) such that it will cycle (i.e., rotate) around the loop. This is easily done, for example, with coherent sine-wave and cosine-wave component driving 4 independent coils. Of course, other configurations with different numbers of coils are possible. As the sine and cosine wave progress over time, we generate a rotating magnetic field vector.
Now consider adding S2 (a 3rd harmonic of F1, for example) to the mix. Ensure S2 is synchronised with S1 such that the S2 will rotate with its synchronised sine and cosine components in the same direction as S1. And finally, consider adding S3 (a 5th harmonic of F1) to S1 and S2, taking care to maintain sychnronisation of waveforms and, thereby add to the rotating magnetic vector.
Given the above, if we match the amplitudes and phases correctly -- see any EE textbook on amplitude and polarity of harmonics of a square wave -- we now have a near-square wave rotating magnetic field vector. When one thinks of this, it (at least to me) is astounding because square waves have very abrupt leading and falling edges! These high-gradient zones are where things happen for extracting/creating the vacuum-energy/negative-entropy. Think about it: This agrees with so many pioneers' and researchers' works and results in these fields. But it gets better.
If one uses two square waves for S1 -- in the same relationships as if they were sine-wave and cosine-wave -- and one then adds S2 and S3, in like fashion, now one can create very-abrupt edges on the rotating magnetic field vector. Accurate synchronisation of S1, S2 and S3 is critical to creating the abruptness. These very-abrupt edges can allow for even greater extraction/creation of vacuum-energy/negative-entropy. I believe Tom B' and John B' (and many others) would be so proud of Steven -- yet another method to "tap" into the background energies that have been, and are, there all the time.
Well, that just my "two bits" worth.
Cheers,
Ed
And a very worthy '2 bits' I might add. Precise frequencies are in the works.
Welcome to the club.
--giantkiller. Its not what we
'do' but what we
'can see'!
GK,
I know! I know! I don't want you to be the only one.........lol.........but I have seen "kicks" on my scope using TPU_003 which is nothing more than 10AWG solid copper wire for the "core" and three layers of hookup wire bank wound. I was running my 555's on a breadboard and the consistency of results was not there. As a matter of fact I was seeing kicks when I made adjustments not when the device was left stable. I'm just trying to proove to myself that the concept is directly related to the frequencies not winding topology.
I will build TPU_005 using the iron wire core and the segmented control windings even if I achieve the results with these continuous windings. All of our results are of value.
I will get on the same sheet of music as you....as soon as I'm done with this solo.
edo,
Exactly along the line that I was thinking. Square waves are odd harmonics. Square waves have very steep rise and fall times. Doesn't that get modeled as an impulse function assuming the switching is fast enough? The idea of beating odd harmonics together that are themselves comprised of odd harmonics is interesting. Add to this three or more circuits whose resonant frequency is tuned at or very near these harmonic frequencies. I am definitely concentrating my efforts here until experimental evidence moves me away from it. I am putting together precision DDS synth's with phase control and carefully filtered individual supplies to replace my 555 oscillators. I'm also switching with fast MOSFET's using gate drivers. I think its worth digging up some triodes.
I will update as I progress.
Regards,
JT
Quote from: Loki67671 on January 17, 2007, 08:30:29 PM
GK,
I know! I know! I don't want you to be the only one.........lol.........but I have seen "kicks" on my scope using TPU_003 which is nothing more than 10AWG solid copper wire for the "core" and three layers of hookup wire bank wound. I was running my 555's on a breadboard and the consistency of results was not there. As a matter of fact I was seeing kicks when I made adjustments not when the device was left stable. I'm just trying to proove to myself that the concept is directly related to the frequencies not winding topology.
I will build TPU_005 using the iron wire core and the segmented control windings even if I achieve the results with these continuous windings. All of our results are of value.
I will get on the same sheet of music as you....as soon as I'm done with this solo.
edo,
Exactly along the line that I was thinking. Square waves are odd harmonics. Square waves have very steep rise and fall times. Doesn't that get modeled as an impulse function assuming the switching is fast enough? The idea of beating odd harmonics together that are themselves comprised of odd harmonics is interesting. Add to this three or more circuits whose resonant frequency is tuned at or very near these harmonic frequencies. I am definitely concentrating my efforts here until experimental evidence moves me away from it. I am putting together precision DDS synth's with phase control and carefully filtered individual supplies to replace my 555 oscillators. I'm also switching with fast MOSFET's using gate drivers. I think its worth digging up some triodes.
I will update as I progress.
Regards,
JT
I just fired up my GK3 -
20awg copper collectors @ 12v. I pull
5 amps and the field very small. I did this unit just so I wouldn't pull the Otto jumper configuration from my GK4. But alas tis as I expected. The 20awg doesn't cut with tip41b-s. But with the GK4
30awg magwire unit my transx just get warm and the field is ferocious & dangerous. And I dont think it is the iron core.
Not the core just gauge of the controllers.
In other words audio wire. I got that recommendation from another post.
If you look at certain Tesla patents. His input is fat CU. Out is small CU. That explains all the hipower genrs. He pushing hard against CU.
So I got to rip into my GK4.
And this also, I will Otto jumper the GK3 first. This will prove a great many things. Fat CU TPU?
--giantkiller.
GK. Since you are the only one so far that has a working unit, may I HUMBLY request that you help the rest of us get up to speed also. Could you PLEASE answer the following questions so we also can build a working unit like yours. Thank you in advance sir.
I believe you said in an earlier post that the Diameter is about 6".
1. _____ Number of turns on each Collector Coil.
2. _____ Do your Collector Coils use Copper Wire or Garden Wire?
3. _____ Do you use 3 or 4 Control Coils on each Level?
4. _____ How many turns of wire on each Control Coil (approximately).
5. _____ Does your Working Unit use Otto's Wiring Diagram exactly? Any changes?
6. _____ Will it run without magnets, or does it need magnets to run?
7. _____ What frequencies does it run at (approximately)?
8. _____ Anything else you can think of?
I think all of us have read your past warnings & admonitions as to its dangers, & that all of us have to take appropriate safety precautions like a Kill Switch, Over Temp Switch, possible safety shield, etc.
Thank you very much for sharing this with your fellow researchers sir.
.
Quote from: FuzzyLogic on January 18, 2007, 06:04:41 PM
GK. Since you are the only one so far that has a working unit, may I HUMBLY request that you help the rest of us get up to speed also. Could you PLEASE answer the following questions so we also can build a working unit like yours. Thank you in advance sir.
I believe you said in an earlier post that the Diameter is about 6". oops 4".
1. _doco____ Number of turns on each Collector Coil.
2. __garden___ Do your Collector Coils use Copper Wire or Garden Wire?
3. _doco____ Do you use 3 or 4 Control Coils on each Level?
4. _doco____ How many turns of wire on each Control Coil (approximately). 30awg
5. _xtact____ Does your Working Unit use Otto's Wiring Diagram exactly? Any changes?
I use 16awg speaker wire for jumpers.
6. _any____ Will it run without magnets, or does it need magnets to run?
7. _any____ What frequencies does it run at (approximately)?
8. _____ Anything else you can think of?
I think all of us have read your past warnings & admonitions as to its dangers, & that all of us have to take appropriate safety precautions like a Kill Switch, Over Temp Switch, possible safety shield, etc.
Thank you very much for sharing this with your fellow researchers sir.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 06, 2007, 11:53:14 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 12:39:15 AM
Look through this thread. I believe everything is here.
I have GK3/Otto and that is copper core and 20awg controls. I test it tonight.
--giantkiller. Let me know.
Why so much current? This is not an inductive coupling effect.
No one here understands the radiant energy effect. The only person that did - Turbo - was driven away.
No wonder Bedini, Grey, Tasla, and the many others were so frustrated. You can explain it 100 different ways and no one else can understand it.
Consider this:
It takes one nanosecond for an electrical impulse to travel about one foot along a wire. That's the equivalent to a one gigacycle pulse. Tesla remarked that the radiant event would happen during this window of no current flow during switch closure.
So, if you have 10 feet of wire your rise and fall time would have to be around 1 100 millionth of a second. I believe that's 10 nanoseconds. The best MOSFET can barely do that. So, you may want to try going to at least 20 feet of wire for your control coils and see what happens (the pulse width needs to be short). You may start to see a more dramatic effect.
Alas, poor Turbo. I miss him too. I knew he was into something.
AM
I whole heartedly agree that rotating fields from the control coils are likely key based on previous research. (though I'd expect it possible to do it without a rotating field)
I also think that we should take note of the fact that he either tuned his input to match the control coils, or tuned the control coils to match the input, based on the circumference of the control coils.
This seems to suggest that at least one of the control coils is an open coil (at both ends), free to resonate a bit like a Lakhovsky MWO, either that or oscillations take place within the coil treating the coil as if it's an odd dipole, the two ends being 180 degrees apart.
BTW I think i know how you can possibly significantly advance progress with this coil, and it's an odd one.
Power it from a dynamo rectified and smoothed, or a DC motor run backwards (working as a generator), I believe that there is more than electricity coming from these things, there are many examples but for instance look at the Kipper motor gen setup, I can tell you right away that the coil he uses alone won't do much.
http://www.phact.org/e/z/KipperScam_files/6900052Kipper_Tricks.htm
Look at Tesla, he also used high voltage DC generators to power his coils, no one gets the same results as him because no one uses these to power their coils (which aren't even designed correctly of course).
Look at Alexander, even EV Gray used an Alexander motor/generator!
If you don't want to do that then at least use a vacuum tube as Mark said, as that can help get some aether flowing in the circuit.
As for my photo's, I have taken them, but at the moment my PC is running on a (not totally legal ;) Vista OS, so until I boot it into XP (which has the drivers for my camera) the photo's are stuck.
aether22,
Yes a dynamo may have a lot to do with it. I always puzzled why Stanley Meyer used a dynamo to run a water fuel cell in his famous demo.
AM
Hi,
One of the ideas I have held on to since I got here was counter rotation. With the right output material you could get xray from Mhz signals. You run 1 freq one way and a 2nd freq opposite direction. The opposing waves clash into each other causing a higher interference pattern. Something that cropped up was the bifilar feed back coil. we'll use ottos config and at the +v tie them together and see what happens at the other end of the 2nd run which is the position of the start of the first run. This gives the interference from the field opposition. Anyway that is one of the ways to hook up. JDO300 also suggested a 4" tpu made totally out of lamp cord. All bifilar. Cheap and fast. That also gives controllers made of magwire size runs. Instead of all those seperate windings. That would explain the fatness of SM4 & SM6 and outputs hooked directly to a 12awg outlet. The wire can handle the amps! ;)
--giantkiller. 8)
So here is the migratory path of the energy production,
1: Kicks? what are kicks and where do they come from? (Remember those days?)
2: Kicks are no problem to achieve or consistently produce for some of us. That is really easy to do once you realize that the potential input has to exceed the volume of copper. For instance, magwire compared to the higher gauge. But harvesting is a problem. Why? Enough production does not equal enough power. You touch the small radiant energy with any metal and it doesn't show up. Alot of us have seen this.
3: Up the energy. It has been consistantly shown to use caps. I take it you use them on the input to the coil not the output like alot of previous attempts.
So here is the status for the last 3 weeks, not bad: ;)
Thank you Steven Mark. :)
Thank you Grumpy. :)
--giantkiller. And there is still progress being made.
I, for one, have wondered what would happen if I were to build three of E. Grey's "Splitting the positive" type spark gaps to use for switching the cntl windings of a TPU. The patent states that it is "suitable for inductive loads". Problem is right now........I don't have access to a bunker................. ::)
I've had a hard copy of Lindemann's book for about 4 or 5 years. Actually it's pretty beat and burned................... :-X
TPU's and the Radient Event in progress................. ;)
Hi all,
What is displayed here are the GK siblings. I am running them in parallel to see the differences of copper cores with 20awg control coils and iron cores with 30awg coils. That right there constitutes vast differences. Who knows, they might couple and produce a great symphony or cacaphony of harmonics. But they will be emitting great vibes. Thought i'd post before the results. Testing will continue next Earth revolution.
--giantkiller. ;)
As always GK, very nice work.
:)
Quote from: Loki67671 on January 21, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
I, for one, have wondered what would happen if I were to build three of E. Grey's "Splitting the positive" type spark gaps to use for switching the cntl windings of a TPU. The patent states that it is "suitable for inductive loads". Problem is right now........I don't have access to a bunker................. ::)
I've had a hard copy of Lindemann's book for about 4 or 5 years. Actually it's pretty beat and burned................... :-X
TPU's and the Radient Event in progress................. ;)
Why not just build the tube and run air core transformer loads right off of it? Apparently you can do this.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 18, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
Why so much current? This is not an inductive coupling effect.
No one here understands the radiant energy effect. The only person that did - Turbo - was driven away.
No wonder Bedini, Grey, Tasla, and the many others were so frustrated. You can explain it 100 different ways and no one else can understand it.
Thank you, Sir.
Just thought I would pull up more attempts to make others git'r done!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1679.msg18317.html#msg18317
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg22256.html#msg22256
I never saw that I would be hooking 2 TPUs together on the same circuit. The reason?
Because I can!. The result?
Who knows what I will find.I say it doesn't matter how you get kicks! What are you going to do with them when you get them? That is the real solution!My sister, who has no education in this area, understands the concept of radiant energy. She goes to the beach everyday and is awed of the waves crashing on the shore.
Surfs up, dudes! The water is great and the Sun is warm!
--giantkiller.
Hi All,
This is my first post but i have been around reading and investigating about this coil thing and other ZPE devices. I find some very interesting things about toroidal current sensing coils.
I find one even on ebay claiming hes coils works and puts out 1000volts at 50ma that is like 200w
this one has a iron ferrite core and thousands of windings .
He does not sell the item itself just the plans. And he says he can built it for you if you wish for around $250.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=250076441046&rd=1&rd=1
If you not find the link just search for free energy coil. or by the sold items.
Good luck, Alex
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
NOTE: schematic removed due to errors.
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.
I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D
--giantkiller. ;)
You may find D3.PDF by Patrick Kelly useful. It contains this circuit and a lo more.
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on January 22, 2007, 05:36:03 PM
You may find D3.PDF by Patrick Kelly useful. It contains this circuit and a lo more.
AM
And the wire jumps because of the outburst of radiant energy!
See next post...Excellance on page 8! They used copper sheets with holes. I say cheap test would be lamp wire collector! The thing would be if the radiance to the lamp cord has to go through air as a spark or can it simply be a high speed magnetic wave.
Must see!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312
--giantkiller.
This file is normally updated by the author every so often but here is the one I've got.
AM
Very Nice Post by MRL.
It seems like the first part of the circuit could be replaced by a $20 Inverter (say about 100 Watts or so) from an Auto Supply Store. That would take care of the conversion from 12VDC to 120 VAC (actually 170VAC Peak V).
Comments welcome.
.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.
I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D
--giantkiller. ;)
Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike. Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost. They must remain isolated. That's why John put in the opto-coupler. You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.
The core material in the FE osc is welding wire. Cheap stuff.
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.
I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D
--giantkiller. ;)
Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike. Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost. They must remain isolated. That's why John put in the opto-coupler. You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.
The core material in the FE osc is welding wire. Cheap stuff.
And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.
I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .
--giantkiller.
Do not assume that the bailing wire was used as a feromagnetic core. Tesla stated in one of his lectures that iron wire had higher impedence, which he atributed to it's magnetic properties, and that this would make the circuit act as if it were of longer length than it really was. So, with iron wire, you would not need as long of a piece.
My GK3 operation is not acceptable. It draws 5 amps in an Otto jumper config. Same as trying the sequential control coil hookup to produce a rotational field. My final report is 20awg at 56 turns per segment is not correct for a 12v run. I need more windings. but not gonna go there. GK4 works great for what I wanted to achieve. Now I work towards the Bedini LGC for radiant pickup. I have a number of other coil loops in my inventory to connect. When you look at the latest pic I posted you can see the waves produced. If you fire that down a loop I believe you can achieve a rotation field. Albeit a singularity. But it is still there.
So now I am jumping into the radiant collection stage. This should prove interesting. I re-read the cold energy paper again for the 5th time. I don't think there is going to be any problem doing this. Again, I appreciate all the specs and help and nudges. In thankful return I post back what I found, what I see and what am going to do.
One note: If you can get your coils to sing then you got kicks and that is paramount to radiant energy. I am working with the Bedini LGC to see if the rotor can be replaced with a TPU then fold the TPU output back to the input. Won't that be something! Ottos jumpers showed that folding the coils back into themselves worked. That is what the GK4 did. Kicks are for geeks.
All of you are a great team to be with. Thank you.
--giantkiller. 9 days left, Tao. I truely believe in what you said.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.
I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D
--giantkiller. ;)
Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike. Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost. They must remain isolated. That's why John put in the opto-coupler. You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.
The core material in the FE osc is welding wire. Cheap stuff.
And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.
I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .
--giantkiller.
No - No No... Don't think of this system as having anything to do with magnetics.
Bedini uses the magnetic core to aid in the feedback pulse to the feedback coil. The core material has nothing to do with the radiant pules. The third winding is the equivalent to the collector coil in the TPU. However, it important to note that all three windings are exposited to the RE but the RE gets lost in the first two (I think). The third winding is isolated from all the rest of the system. The RE remains in that coil.
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb. It should trigger at about 65 volts. You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it. Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1. The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see. You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.
Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.
I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D
--giantkiller. ;)
Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike. Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost. They must remain isolated. That's why John put in the opto-coupler. You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.
The core material in the FE osc is welding wire. Cheap stuff.
And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.
I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .
--giantkiller.
No - No No... Don't think of this system as having anything to do with magnetics.
Bedini uses the magnetic core to aid in the feedback pulse to the feedback coil. The core material has nothing to do with the radiant pules. The third winding is the equivalent to the collector coil in the TPU. However, it important to note that all three windings are exposited to the RE but the RE gets lost in the first two (I think). The third winding is isolated from all the rest of the system. The RE remains in that coil.
Oh, I wasn't thinking magnetic at all. In some of my trials I saw that as an answer for other configurations. I am always looking for cheap or slick answers to problems.
Thanks. Didn't mean to mislead.
--giantkiller.
Here's an idea I've been toying with.
It's a very small version of the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.
I think this stands a good chance of pumping out RE.
I don't think we need to hit the thing with kilovolts to get it to put out RE. It's all in the pulse duration and rise / fall time. The inside cone winding is the collector coil.
See Attached.
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 11:37:35 PM
Here's an idea I've been toying with.
It's a very small version of the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.
I think this stands a good chance of pumping out RE.
I don't think we need to hit the thing with kilovolts to get it to put out RE. It's all in the pulse duration and rise / fall time. The inside cone winding is the collector coil.
See Attached.
These guys dropped a coil by incorporating the inverted cone with the wide loop.
http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/english/coil.htm (http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/english/coil.htm)
I am starting to see each stage of my tpu building as being many, many ways. Just like we were told in the beginning.
I also see the Neon bulb as a replacement for a tube that Tesla had in the car ride with his nephew. Same idea just a different circuit.
Thanks. I do have a 12vdc inverter to 120vac suggested by Fatbird today.
--giantkiller.
http://www.pixerve.de/43559/pese.html "
http://www.pixerve.de/43515/pese.html "
Note: 4Kv Transformatoren f?r Neonlicht Schriftz?ge
oder Z?ndtrafo von ?l-Heizung (bedingt-?ndern.)
http://www.teslapress.com/tesla_what_he_is.html tesla murdered 1943
http://tesla.tribe.net/thread/2b63ba82-48d1-452d-b703-fc621319dd4d
links found in:
http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/links.html
Pese,
Thank you for the links specially the one about a movie about Tesla. I was sad to realise about David Bowie playing the role of Tesla. It should have been Arnold Schwartznigar. Of course Edisson's idea of a light bulb was just a front for supplying the market with heroin filled light bulbs. Then Tesla comes along with his FE powered car and the car chase etc etc. I need a holiday!
AM
I think Pese is right. There's something wrong with that radiant charger circuit. The SCR is wired in on the wrong side and also I don't think you can used the bridge rectifier.
You have to follow the current flow very carefully to see it.
However, the core values are still not critical. If it's like the Bedini motor all you need is welding wire.
In the Bedini motor (according to my present understanding) what happens is as the magnet approaches (or is moving away from it... not sure) the core it induces a current into the feedback winding, which then turns on the transistor, which then causes current to flow in another parallel winding, which then causes a counter magnetic field to form in the core, which then neutralizes the magnetic attraction between the magnet on the wheel and the steel in the core. This in turn allows the magnet / wheel to pass over, or past, the core without any back drag. During this process radiant energy is produced in the narrow back EMF spike (the window). The trick is, you must adjust the bias of the transistor so that it turns on just enough to cancel out the magnetic field (equal repulsion) that is being induced by the approaching (moving away) magnet. When this happens the magnetic field is chocked off inside the core and RE will manifest in that window. The counter magnetic field must be at its exact equal when the magnet is a dead center of the core (or as it it just moving away from the core), thus there is no attraction (as I understand it).
You can replace the wheel by just placing a (weak) magnet right on top, or very close, to the core, or even place another coil right on top of the main core (the coil will provide the counter field ). Once a field is formed in the core the transistor will turn on and an oscillation will start. You don't really need to build the motor. You just need to build the three winding core and arrange the circuit to feed back an electrical pulse to the transistor which then turns on and neutralizes the magnetic field which makes the transistor turn off, and on and on it goes. If everything is just right you'll get the radiant pulse. John says your waveform should look like the output of a Tesla coil. It will ring.
This is my current understanding. I think that (apparently faulty) circuit can be made to work if you understand how the Bedini motor works.
Ordered 6 samples of h11d1 opto isolators from Fairchild Direct. 2nd day UPS. $0.00 total cost.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
Ordered 6 samples of h11d1 opto isolators from Fairchild Direct. 2nd day UPS. $0.00 total cost.
Order some fast FET drivers too. That's important. Your rise and fall times need to be as fast as possible.
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
Ok -- I've just visited John's site and looked at one of his schematics. From what I can see it's the same configuration for the SCR. I'm starting to think that it will work as wired, in that we don't fully understand what is going on within the circuit re the dynamics.
John's not stupid. Either he has published a faulty drawing or we don't understand it. The only way I can see the SCR turning off is if there is a pulse from the coil system that is large enough to overcome the forward bias caused by the batteries. I'm still thinking on it, but that's what seems to be going on.
Here's the site. http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html
here's the charger motor. See attached.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
Quote from: mrl on January 23, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.
And I got that schem too.
Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 23, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.
And I got that schem too.
Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???
--giantkiller.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you elaborate? What is it that you want to do?
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 23, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.
And I got that schem too.
Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???
--giantkiller.
Here's another configuration to choose from. I'm just emitting brain farts here. You will have to play with the resistor values to get the bias right.
If you're going to experiment with these circuits I would get the oscillator working and not worry about the the SCR circuit (unless one is dependent on the other).
See attached.
Quote from: mrl on January 23, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: mrl on January 23, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D
Next I get bridge and 3055s.
--giantkiller. 8)
What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.
And I got that schem too.
Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???
--giantkiller.
Here's another configuration to choose from. I'm just emitting brain farts here. You will have to play with the resistor values to get the bias right.
If you're going to experiment with these circuits I would get the oscillator working and not worry about the the SCR circuit (unless one is dependent on the other).
See attached.
I have this schematic too.
If I rejumper my GK4 I will have the oscillator to the coil. I see on the RC3 you added the diode at the base. I'll be at this tomorrow night.
--giantkiller.
Hey, don't build John Bedini's motor.
I have figured out why that type of motor works.
It has to do with the gap, as the aetheric capacity changes (which can by changed in a C core coil by passing a capacitor (Otis T Carr, Swiss ML and others), a diamagnetic material (Don Smith), or a magnet through the core, this causes a flow of aether to take place in the winding, however no current need flow, first I believe it's possible to wind a bifilar coil (basically a tight canceling multilayer caduceus) to stop magnetic emf induction,or a normal coil can be used and the voltage generated can be opposed by an equal EMF such a battery or rectified smooth transformer.
This makes lots of sense based on things Robert Adams said in a lecture I attended. (about having 2 emf's cancel, that's when you get the effect without current)
It also explains why Peter Lindeman said on working with John Bedini that he could get it to work more as a transformer, or more as a generator, but it worked best when neither action was taking place.
Well that's because if the to a equal they mostly cancel out, it's not the electrical flow we are really after, that is sure to slow things down.
We want the aether to move.
So with the knowledge above you can do better than the bedini motor.
Or just use an alternator!
rectify it and smooth it and if you want cancel the voltage as described.
BTW I am only here rediscovering something that has already been written about in a book called the Earth Energy by John Bigelow, in that book the same info about gaps and canceling windings were given.
As for the TPU here is my pick:
One collector coil is the output, it runs through a static magnetic field. (the static field may have a rectification effect as Hans Coler claimed making it DC)
One collector coil is connected to the feedback coil, for er feedback, if the feedback coil is so important as SM says it must be connected to an output (collector) to feed back)
One collector coil is an open circuit and freely resonates (much like a multi wave oscillator ring) this is the one the input it tuned to. (he says that it was tuned to the circumference of the collector coil, well that ONLY makes sense if at least one of then is an open circuit)
The control coils besides creating the spikes would be good to have a rotational effect and have an electric field between the collector and control coils.
This would then put it in line with Hamel the the Joe Cell and many many others as many devices have shown the aether loves to move at 90 degrees to an electric field.
There should be a wooden core as Steve Marks uses, and GK is probably right about iron.
Please use your heads:
1: Steve said vacuum tubes, not because they have great switching properties but because they have an aetheric output as has often been shown. (RE output if you prefer, or cold electricity)
2: There is a precessional force that can ONLY be created by aether moving as there is no mass moving.
3: He said the collector coil length is tuned to the device or visa versa, it is it's circumference that determines the frequency, this can ONLY happen if one of the collectors is an open circuit.
4: Why do you think he called it a feedback coil, obviously you feed the output back into it, this also helps the aether vortex.
5: Steven Marks went to the bother of using a wood frame, obviously it can work without wood as first time he used bailing wire, but wood is obviously a good idea.
6: Steel collectors ARE indicated by GK's results and SM's statments
7: The collector coils energized in a rotational manner makes lots of sense! both from an aether rotating point of view and others. (kicks adding up)
I belive that the TPU is very similar to Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator
He uses a coil configuration which apparently seems much like the TPU.
He also uses 3 different frequencies, one being very close to 6kHz.
The coil diameters are also calculated :)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060405155758/www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://www.whackster.com/energy/hubbard.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20041229201633/keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000259.htm
@all,
Thanks for the input. I am pondering the areas of physical, electrical, & effect designs at the same time. I see the differences of the inclusion and exclusion of cores, Solid state compared to inclusion of transformers. I don't want to run off in the wrong direction but I do agree that the kicks are gotten with +12v and 0.5 amps. I think that can get better. It has too.
So I heed all instructions. It could be that some Bedini configs are true and other combos are not.
On another note I thought I would share this. It is my next frequency toy. It is way outside the box with me.
http://www.stick.com/ (http://www.stick.com/)
--giantkiller.
Very bad forum constant database error. Forum useless.
Ok, so scope this out:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html)
The quote from inside is this:
NOT CRACKPOTTY AFTER ALL
Note that this does not violate any rules of conventional physics. If we add stronger EM fields, they sum with the incoming EM plane waves and cause these radio waves to bend towards the tiny antenna, and the antenna absorbs them. This increases the antenna's EA (effective area, or effective aperture.) We can use this process to alter the coupling between the antenna and the surrounding space, but the total energy still follows the conservation law. The altered fields only change the "virtual size" or EA of the antenna.
Sound like a TPU, eh? Turbo and I had discussions on this a number of times. We both saw the the bending and the vortex field flowing into the ring.
Here's the interesting part. If we wish to receive power rather than signals, a critical issue arises.
Driving a tiny antenna with a large signal will create large currents and heat the antenna. Small antennas are inefficient when compared to half-wave dipoles. If we wish to maximize the virtual aperature of a really tiny antenna (e.g. make our 10KHz pie-plate coil act 10KM across,) we'll quickly be frustrated by wire heating. All the extra received energy will go into warming the copper. Possible solutions: use superconductor loops, or at low frequencies use the nearest equivalent to an AC-driven superconductor: a rotating permanent magnet(can you say rotating field?) or rotating capacitor plates.
I think I did this...?
He's produced kicks and has attained heat. Copy on gnosis.com from Mannix about the GK4.
Sound like more tuning, eh? So now I am thinking more controller turns to emminate more micro fields over the collectors increasing the antennea effect. More turns, Agh...
Or more loops in the coax based TPU, or lamp wire for more strands.
More controller windings can lessen the drive current. What if more windings of 30awg to lower the voltage requirement.
--giantkiller. Did I just crack this nut again? This excerpt does sound like a Bedini rendition.
No.
Gk5 wound and jumpered. 4 1/2 inch ring.
This is bifilar 16awg speaker wire, 3 layers one inside the other(concentric) of 10 turns. I took Otto's jumpering to the next level. This is from top to top, middle to middle, bottom to bottom from outside to middle to inside by 4 segments. Confused yet?
I can also jump it to 390721 transformer spec. That'll be next.
So this can be made like a triple mobius going in any layer direction or any depth direction. Looks like 108 combinations total.
Bottom line is : 4 segments of 3 concentric layers with dual runs of 41 strands each. Combinations like a Rubik's cube. I got 6 coils per segment. Total 24 coils, 984 strands.
Core is Easyflow audio 8awg, 700 strand silver coated copper, 4 turns.
This is hemi. Simple goal is bigger kicks. I really don't have to. Just to see how the Easyflow performs. Possibly get a vortex action with one of the jumper configs.
Granted, the strands are not insulated individually. This is the skin effect test also. Then on the Easylow, why is each strand silvered if they are not individually insulated? We shall see. I take chances to prove or disprove group imposed boundaries.
This one's for you Sonny. ;)
--giantkiller. 2 days left.
Hmmm....
What's inside?
Transferring from another site posted by jd0300.
OK EVERYONE
I'm making this easy for everybody! I copied the page, ran it through the translator (still preserved the pictures thankfully), and uploaded it to this post...
THIS PAGE HAS SO MANY COROLATIONS WITH MR. MARK'S EXPERIMENTS!!!
The article talks about two transformers that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other.... DC OUTPUT ON THE SECONDARY SIDE!!! It's all here... Check it out!!! I'm still reading it as I'm posting here.... and It just so happens that I have two identical transformers to try the tests out with....
Oh but here's the kicker.... look on the graphs to see what frequencies the author got these effects..... 3-6kHz!!!
God Bless,
Jason O
thanks Giant, looks like the sports model ;D
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)
@Moab,
Congratulations on acquiring kicks! Your results are better that mine with the slight change in construction. Impressive and welcome to the club.
If you could draw out a diagram and post it. The differences are of great importance. This validates the 'Many ways to get there' postings.
This continuing saga connects to the following:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.msg22220.html#msg22220] (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.msg22220.html#msg22220)
--giantkiller. This is the next step.
Quote from: Moab on January 30, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)
If you've got a magnetic field inside the ring then wind a solenoid coil (20-30 turns) around some sort of core material and put it inside the ring (horizontally then try vertically). See if you can tap some power from the field. A field that strong should generate power (according to conventional wisdom).
Quote from: mrl on January 31, 2007, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: Moab on January 30, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)
If you've got a magnetic field inside the ring then wind a solenoid coil (20-30 turns) around some sort of core material and put it inside the ring (horizontally then try vertically). See if you can tap some power from the field. A field that strong should generate power (according to conventional wisdom).
Bingo!!!!!!!! Great snag!
Look at the center of the SM17. The 2 coils are radiant receptors. The ratios look large when looking at the # of turns, the change in awg, and the wave distance. The 2 black caps at the inside edge are the large coil input caps. The 2 receptors are the equivilant to the bifilar feedback windings. Ever wonder why they are not visible in the cutaway version? And isn't there a need for feedback loop control of the 2 freqs going in?
Lets take a leap here. I am looking at things this way. On the Cutaway, I see 4 sets of white, what looks like lamp, wire, Top, middle, bottom and the inner circumference set. I am thinking that this represents 4 segments? And look at the awg coming out of the center of the center coils.
Also,
I ran my GK5, 16 awg lamp wire. I appears as a dead short and conducts as such. Experiment is a success! I could up the volts and the trannys to gen a field but I am not. The GK4 @ 30awg controllers worked just fine and we are trying to maintain low input. The kicks are the greater output result of smaller input. Moab reported good results with 30awg. Previous postings also report the same with magwire.
--giantkiller.
Kicks are for geeks! I will not apologize for having fun or getting results! This is not a job, it
IS the adventure. Enjoy it or keep your life.
OK Guys
Here are the files that GK ask for two vids and two pics. The RF flame one isnt too good. But it speaks for itsself.
Iron head ask me to charge a cap and try to light a bulb. That didnt work out to well but the flame that i got from grounding the cap leads is cool. the cap's are two 108 mfcg run caps in series charged ftom collector #2 for about 20 secounds. The flame effect on;y ;ast a few secounds as you can se Keep in mind that my diagram shows 4 coils 3 are in typical TPU fashon of 60 turns each at 90*and the fourth is the 60 turns over the other three.. I hope you all understand MOAB
Made a smaller file. Hope it works for you. MOAB
@Moab, Very, very cool! Glad to see things are what they should be.
I hope the Radiant thread post helps you out in the next step.
I hooked caps in too and the signal dropped out. I am still in this step though. One at a time for me.
I'll have to view the video later.
--giantkiller. Kicks are for geeks!
Did anyone try to view the video? I tried to download it and it didn't work . said it wasn't a .mov file. Let me know if you guys/gals are able to open the files i post. otherwise it is a wast of band width. Many thanks. MOAB
Well the RF Flame worked ok but the other had some kind of error in it and would not play at all. That was with the latest QT player. Definitely RF in nature for sure.
Noticed you are rotating the coil segments as you stack, is that correct?
Off to the surplus shop, just called to tell me that he has some >5000ft rolls of different sizes and types of wire. The word cheap is the clencher.
suggie
Hi Moab,
Yes, the second video RF_FLAME_Colector2.MOV works fine, but the movie NEO__MAG_FIELD.MOV fails to start.
I may try it later on my Linux box to see if that can run it.
How did you do the white lettering artwork on your PCB, did you screen print it on?
Unusual spark sequence, I am guessing it needs to arc to get the current to flow to create the high voltage.
I have seen this sequence before when a substation insulation breaks down and the resulting spark is tens of feet long.
I was trying to firgure out your sketch, but could not see a logical pattern in the field sequence.
Regards
Rob
@ Meggerman,How did you do the white lettering artwork on your PCB,?
My good friend owns a company that develops R/C for any application you could think of He has a plotter that prints and punches PC boards\.
@meggerman, I was trying to firgure out your sketch, but could not see a logical pattern in the field sequence.
The top(Work of art) LOL. Is in linear format. as if you were to slice the coils and unroll them, the bottom is from left to right as you would stack the coils the colors are the different segments. Just a quick and dirty sketch to give an idea of how this monstrosity is configured.
@Sugra Noticed you are rotating the coil segments as you stack, is that correct?
Yes they are rotating CCW..
MOAB
Moab
Hello all,
from http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm (http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm)
Oscillator with two acceleration coils
Also as not inductive coil or Bistroem oscillator marks.
The two coil oscillators must be equal strong identically and.
They are switched together phases rotated as bridge.
The magnet cores or tube amplifier work as ZPE- magnetic flow accelerator with pulsating direct current, not with alternating current. Therefore for an independently reciprocating current generator at least two separate magnetic flow accelerators are needed, which pulse as bridge changing.
If a magnetic river flows parallel to an electrical conductor, its speed is multiplied.
If a magnetic river flows parallel to an electrical conductor, its electrons are loaded (doped), and generated from available particles such as Helion 1 and 2 a centrifugally accelerated magnetic (Protronen) river. Thus the magnetic river is concentrated and accelerated.
A magnetic Protronen current results in the leader due to the surplus. This current evades because of lack of space of the center from to both ends, moves in accordance with (rights handregel) as spiral around the leader, and radiates.
The two coils with a Kondenstor can swing with their periodic resonance.
The two coils can be wound also on a core next to each other.
See generatorgenerator generator:
The pole direction of the magnetic field is unimportant, because the field flows only slowly.
The field from the next smaller particles (deutron) circulates inside than giving strength.
in German:
Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen
Auch als nicht induktive Spule oder Bistr?m Oszillator bezeichnet.
Die zwei Spulen-Oszillatoren m?ssen identisch und gleich stark sein.
Sie werden Phasen verdreht als Br?cke aneinander geschaltet.
Die Magnetkerne oder R?hrenverst?rker arbeiten als ZPE- Magnetflussbeschleuniger mit pulsierendem Gleichstrom, nicht mit Wechselstrom. Deshalb werden f?r einen selbstst?ndig oszillierenden Stromgenerator mindestens zwei getrennte Magnetflussbeschleuniger ben?tigt, die als Br?cke wechselnd pulsen.
Wenn ein magnetischer Fluss parallel zu einem elektrischen Leiter flie?t, wird dessen Geschwindigkeit vervielfacht.
Wenn ein magnetischer Fluss parallel zu einem elektrischen Leiter flie?t, werden seine Elektronen geladen (gedopt), und generiert aus vorhanden Teilchen wie Helion 1 und 2 einen zentrifugal beschleunigten magnetischen (Protronen) Fluss. Dadurch wird der magnetische Fluss konzentriert und beschleunigt.
Es ergibt sich im Leiter auf Grund des ?berschusses eine magnetische Protronen-Str?mung. Diese Str?mung weicht wegen Platzmangel von der Mitte aus zu beiden Enden aus, bewegt sich gem?? der (Rechte Handregel) als Spirale um den Leiter, und strahlt ab.
Die beiden Spulen mit einem Kondenstor k?nnen mit ihrer Eigenresonanz schwingen.
Die beiden Spulen k?nnen auch auf einen Kern nebeneinander gewickelt sein.
Siehe Zyklonengenerator:
Die Polrichtung des Magnetfeldes ist unwichtig, weil das Feld nur langsam flie?t.
Das Feld aus den n?chst kleineren Teilchen (deutron) zirkuliert innen als gebende Kraft.
Can somebody provide a better translation into English?
The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.
Michael Flynn
Quote from: mflynn44 on January 31, 2007, 06:31:02 PM
The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.
Michael Flynn
Thank you for posting that! I quoted the most important part. Moab followed the GK4 instructions and made slight modification and way better results! That fits in with the quote. Simple little changes of some kind of coil looping of inter folding. This monster is gonna grow. It all happens after the kicks.
Again, Thanks Mike.
--giantkiller. Progress is one step at a time. In case anybody is confused? The quotes are out of the Bible. Sorry if it sounded like I make this up.
Yes GK, one step at a time. It looks as if we might try connecting our control coils bucking in pairs and the iron collector coil (dissimilar metals important) in series with the control coils to generate power (not just voltage) in the collector.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 31, 2007, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: mflynn44 on January 31, 2007, 06:31:02 PM
The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.
Michael Flynn
Thank you for posting that! I quoted the most important part. Moab followed the GK4 instructions and made slight modification and way better results! That fits in with the quote. Simple little changes of some kind of coil looping of inter folding. This monster is gonna grow. It all happens after the kicks.
Again, Thanks Mike.
--giantkiller. Progress is one step at a time. In case anybody is confused? The quotes are out of the Bible. Sorry if it sounded like I make this up.
Simple little changes!!
no one can believe how true that statement really is. It takes many hours of small changes.One thing at a time.Try this try that. its maddening sometimes.Heres a tip for you pulsers Use an AM radio and tune it to near the infrequencies you are pulsing your coils at when you get the right kind of kicks and the coils are open you will know it.
When i stated earlier in this thread that a light bulb test didn't work out, I was thinking of a light bulb that would stay light. Mine just burned out. as it turns out these caps i am using are storing energy, Just not the kind of electricity that a common light bulb will work well with. In my case the bulb glowed a brilliant blue/white for a second and burned out. Not a success? YES it was. it proved to me that even though i had no usable currant before i hooked up caps that what little i did have could be stored in a cap and discharged.
When you read "KICKS". think of a sloshing motion in a wire.one direction is the pulse you put into it and the reverse is the radiant energy taking the place of your DC pulse when it is not present. When your DC pulse is introduced the KICK happens the kick is the RE we all strive to achieve. it is what you will here on your radio when your close.and it is what is stored in my caps, once you find it other things become obvious to you.
Frequencies are the key to the kicks. Your coils are different than mine, and so to will be your freq. This is not a one freq fits all undertaking.THIS is important.don't bother with two or three at a time stick to one until you have kicks on your scope or a squealing on your am radio if you don't have a scope. when you have kicks move on to the next freq and try. I only had to make two the third IS resonance.you wont mistake it when you stumble upon it.
As GK said small changes.What may seem like no change at all. And keep after it you will find your kicks. Time to put the search for kicks behind me and move on. Ill post when i have more. I hope my poor analogies have helped someone obtain a goal Thank you all for your help. And the good reading. MOAB
Quote from: mflynn44 on January 31, 2007, 07:37:17 PM
Yes GK, one step at a time. It looks as if we might try connecting our control coils bucking in pairs and the iron collector coil (dissimilar metals important) in series with the control coils to generate power (not just voltage) in the collector.
And that is where Otto and I have gone. The tesla 390721 transformer is the key of 30awg CU. And my FE 22 turn loops with 5ohms 10 watt are not a dead short! Figure that out! That gives opposing fields of n-n at 12 and 6 o'clock and s-s at 3 9 o'clock. I posted a avi of that action. I will post it again. avi is slo-mo. I am working on a static model for future postings.
--giantkiller.
Powerful! And the 'Scream team' moves on.
There is also another anomymous member on the team who is achieving things that will harm the non believers. I've seen it and it is amazing! Puff -n- holler, smoke -n- mirrors? Without kicks you won't understand. It has all been spelled out.
--giantkiller. Rock -n- roll!
Come one, come all and see what Tesla saw!
These videos are incredible!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22654.html#msg22654
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22661.html#msg22661
VLC media player.
This viewer is the best for getting aroung viewing problems.
http://www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org)
Fired right up. Skips all the Apple doo doo.
--giantkiller.
What is my next step?
To siphon some of this new energy from the collector and introduce it back into the powered coils at the exact moment the DC pulse is in off cycle. I will use a much smaller cap to harvest and store it then i will attempt to use the the third 555 timer to send it at the correct moment.The problem with all of this is that there is yet no way to measure RE, If that really is whats going on in my caps. And the caps do not discharge in a pop like normal, They seem to fizzle instead. So what size of a cap? lets say 100uf to start with? also will a 555 as we have been building them do anything in regards to timing? I don't know, never the less i will have to rely on the DC component to trigger timing pulse. Has anyone a better idea. Thank you GK for your kind words. though i wouldn't refer to the videos "amazing"
MOAB
Here's a circuit that came to mind. I got this idea from John Bedini's charger circuit.
The TPU collector coil will charge up a capacitor with (hopefully) radiant energy. When the capacitor reaches the firing voltage of the neon bulb (or zener) the SCR will fire and dump its charge back into the TPU feedback coil. The capacitor will have a much larger current kick which may provide more amplification, or it may have a more dramatic effect due to the circuit's (independent) asynchronous nature. When there is more current dumped into the feedback coil there will be more of a kick generated in the collector coil. This may cause more positive feedback into the system, which in turn will cause the capacitor to charge faster and so on. You may be able to run a load off the capacitor discharge. Also, you can select the voltage that you wish to expose your load to. The nice thing about this arraignment is that it is totally isolated and does not require any external controller.
Also, I think you may be able to charge batteries from this circuit just like the Bedini charger circuit does.
See attached.
MORE THOUGHTS:
If the system runs at an energy gain then the capacitor discharge will go faster and faster. If this happens you may get a runaway TPU, so be careful.
John Bedini has stated that semiconductors work much faster when they are switching radiant energy. So, if the capacitor is actually being charged with RE then the SCR rise time will be much faster, which may produce even more RE. Remember that when RE is used to manifest more RE you get a "magnifying" effect. This, I think, is why the TPU runs at a gain when in feedback mode.
--- Wear goggles ---
EVEN MORE THOUGHTS:
Some people may ask why one would bother to charge a capacitor then discharge it into the feedback coil rather than just routing the TPU collector coil directly into the feedback coil. At first glance this circuit may seem to be superfluous. However, one must keep in mind that capacitors *transform* RE into a --- usable form ---. At least this is what John Bedini has stated. So, if such is the case, you may get a more dramatic effect when using a capacitor discharge feedback method.
EVEN MORE THOUGHTS:
I've added a bridge rectifier in the second version. I'm thinking that a fast recovery rectifier should be used here. See attached.
MRL
I Thahk you MRL for that!
I will give that a try. though it will take me some time as it is back to work for me making more inefficient things. But hey at least I'm good at that. It took 25 watts to make this 13 watt cathode light at 1/4 its potential!!
I see that you placed it on a pancake. I got 3 of those! I want to use them in some way. So how did you hook them in?
Tnx,
--giantkiller.
@Moab,
What happened to the schematic you posted?
--giantkiller.
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@Michael
This site you pointed at is excellent. Also I think "Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen" definitely sounds credible. I however can not find what you described on the link you posted. Where is it?
AM
Quote from: giantkiller on February 02, 2007, 12:14:04 AM
@Moab,
What happened to the schematic you posted?
--giantkiller.
Do you mean this image?
@ Spherenot. Thanks for reposting, I must have unchecked it when i attached the smaller Neo/Magfield vid. I will have to make a better one.
@ GK. The pancake was a test. It showed me that DC currant in small amounts can be collected. Some of the purest smooth DC iv seen.
MOAB
@ Moab,
Can we name your TPU Moab1? Trying to keep it simple.
Spherenot ask about which coil to wind. I slept on it. And this is the pattern I came up with.
GK4 shook magnets, made noise, and smacked the skies. Moab's coil then added to that making the magnet move violently. I attribute this to the open middle coil addition mainly. Previously
@mflynn44 mentioned puting power collection in the center.
@Grumpy stated that we are choking the system.
So, I am looking at the SM17 and I see the feedback windings are gone. I believe they are moved to the center as those little coils on top of the control unit. What a better place, eh? That way part of the choking is alleviated AND the feedback is at the highest concentration of flux impact. Just off center of the wave center! Sounds pretty valid? makes frequency control easier! The 2 black caps are there also for the input for the radiant expression of this design.
My next TPU(GK6) will be 4 or 3 loops (segments?) of RG6 video cable. The copper centers will be the collectors, the ground shielding will be the controllers(4), and the center coils will be the feedback. The cost is $10.00 USD. And that, my friends, is what we want! This will be an easy test.
I then can make this configuration any diameter, single loop each segment in only an hours time.
The parameters specifically tied together are the diameter, the height distance of each loop from each other, the 2 freqs, and the 2 coil specs( I bet they are close) for resonancy of the 2 frequencies(because they are close).
So, Spherenot, the answer to your question is once you have your 555s up then here are 3 answers, the later being the most expediant and of least cost in monies and labor. And a quicker bench check for your circuit while showing you results. And if this produces more power then plz be safe.
Otto got heat & sparks, I got heat & shook magnets, Moab got sparks & threw magnets. I was the ony one that didn't drive a light bulb. These devices all produce kicks. In the next appreciable step, the device should rumble.
In the GK4 device, the segments are pulsed in a verticle pattern across the 3 layers. In the Moab1 they are pulsed angularly in a 45 degree pattern. The GK4 then has one North segment in a bucking pattern against 3 dead segments. This produces no magnetic spin. But the Moab1 with the skewed coil connection essentially gives a 3 north to 1 dead segment pulsed pattern and in a rotating pattern. If you watch Moab1 magnet move you can see the spirographic dance. The magnet spins on its axis one way while traveling in the opposite direction. I also see uncontrolled levitation. I see other experiments in this arena if the magnet could be held in a static axis off central center of the coil and allowed to spin around the coil center.
I recall seeing the post that the SM15 & 17 do not spin magnets or compasses. RFC on that.
--giantkiller. My engines are revving...
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@Michael
This site you pointed at is excellent. Also I think "Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen" definitely sounds credible. I however can not find what you described on the link you posted. Where is it?
AM
@AM
It's still there. Check the link to magnetic flow accelerator from the main page. I think many of the secrets to the TPU are on this excellent site. At least enough to build a proof of concept device. That is, a device with power available in the collector, not just voltage spikes.
GREAT post Giantkiller!!
I have thought of using coax as well and your post has inspired me to do so. Rg6 and #11 flat braided litz wire. Simple and inexpensive! I will keep the 45* configuration and maybe only three segments this time. It should lend its self to easy tuning of freq. Moab #2, 3 turns.3 segments.3 coils.. Anyone want some phi? ::) One problem though. RG6 conductor is copper coated steel wire (i think?) Moab
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Copy away Spherenot! I want everyone to build new things, If any of my ideas are useful that is great. There are some things that i cannot post though, Common sense. tells me not to as it would be fuel for the non Believer. All i can say is If you succeed in capturing radiant energy no matter how small the amount you will understand. I have seen fire from the radiant energy dragon and it is most beautiful. And it ts most definitely real. Get those timers built spherenot, and see it for yourself.
Moab
PS. i think i have been reading to many of GK's post (No offense GK) :-\
Today boys and girls, we have a special guest.
We are going to be shown the construction techniques of the SM15 & SM17s. Please hold your questions till the end and raise your hand should you have to leave to use the facilitites.
Let's begin...
At this point I refer to the diagram.
Now wasn't that easy?
When you are all done constructing this model and the liquid material has dried over a 12 hour period,
Flip it over and what do you have? Any size ring you need!
Remember though, the diameter controls the 2 frequencies and the height distance between the collectors.
Till next time! Which is coming right up so stay tuned.
And now a word from our sponsor...
--giantkiller. Ask and you shall receive...
Welcome back my friends,
to the show that never ends,
We're so glad you could attend,
come inside, come inside...
Let's talk about the main 2 coil designs.
The first one is the SM4 & SM6.
Theses have the feedback coils encompassing the whole unit.
The SM15 & SM17 have their feedback coils close to the center of the ring. Near the highest concentration of flux.
It is as I had posted all those 3d wave diagrams before.
The 4 & 6 are refered to as coils while the 15 & 17 are refered to as rings.
Steven Mark is an accomplished audio engineer.
That gave the idea to use my guitar with a sound processor as a magnetic field and interference pick up device. The sound processor enabled me to hear freqs out of range. Eddy Van Halen 'Eat your heart out'.
So when I saw the 2 coils in the 15 and 17 above the control box I realized that they are the feedbacks.
Ready for the drum roll?
The rings uses 2 frequencies to clash together and create a high powered, very high frequency wave that travels from the ring outward and inward! This inward wave is the one we want because it wipes across the control box coils in a compressing wave of energy at a concentrated point.
And the drums are getting louder! And remember the phrase 'It takes a moment to ramp up'?
Steven has placed 2 microphones inside the speaker in the amplification feedback loop!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
My job is done.
How fast can you blow an amp? The coils and rings are speakers. Thank you Marco.
This has been very, very real for me!
All the musicians here stand and take a bow. You know what I am talking about!
The accompanying thread is paradyme gear shift forward. For those of you that didn't check out www.Paradyme.com. (http://www.paradyme.com.) It is a privately held audio supply company in California. Remember any of these clues?
The gear is audio not auto! And the shift forward was connected to the dolphin poem by sonny which was a clear reference to Dave & Marco demos and then me. I am the reference of the dolphin.
I think I earned me keep, today. RFC as always. Let's blow some s**t up today!
--giantkiller. Shift happens...
Quote by moab
Frequencies are the key to the kicks. Your coils are different than mine, and so to will be your freq. This is not a one freq fits all undertaking.THIS is important.don't bother with two or three at a time stick to one until you have kicks on your scope or a squealing on your am radio if you don't have a scope. when you have kicks move on to the next freq and try. I only had to make two the third IS resonance.you wont mistake it when you stumble upon it.
remember when i said that i only had to make two and the third IS RESONANCE? this is what we are looking fore. Just find the right two frequencies for YOUR coils and the third will happen all by its self. Moab
Parts arrive tomorrow on the truck..................just finished my cross compiler build....CRAZY magnets to follow.....................very interesting.
:)
I'm using a KwikByte ARM Devel board to handle the control functions. Driving MOSFETS with driver chips triggered by computer sensed feedback signals. My gens are DDS, 125MHz clock with .02Hz resolution, digitally tuned freqs and 11.5 deg phase control res. We'll see very shortly if this approach is sound or not. Once I find my coils sweet spot and tuning I'll post the schematic diags. If I get some interesting graphics I'll try to get some video up. I have to go back and look up Tesla's descriptions of the various EM discharges. Man it would have been cool to see Nicola with modern computing power and material science................C'mon truck.....Bring my shift....... :o
GK...................I'm definitely stickin some Hall Effect sensors into the "speaker" for a look at whats going on. My control coils are set for taps and cutting to get phase shifting and segmentation....I heard you............ ;D..... Next model will be a ring..pun intended..................
:)
@Spherenot,
So you do understand...
@loki,
You should find interesting things.
Today it's GK6, tomorrow the world!
GK7 is too big for the house! I'll work the diagram up tonight. This should really rock the planet!
--giantkiller.
I had another look at the U54 tube. I couldn't shake the feeling that i had missed something. I took the small amount of inducted energy from the middle coil in to a 2.2 uf
cap. then in to pin6 and out of pin4 And and earth grounded pin2. Here is what i got. Looking at the Pics the big +spike is the kick and the smaller ones are precursor to large -spike. Pic2 shows that for every kick i cause with DC i get return 4 large - spikes. Now what dose this all mean? I'm not certain. But i have a good idea. Is it over unity? Nope! but it is a 3-1 ratio. i stepped my input down to 2VDC still around 4khz.and used very small caps because i didn't want to damage my only U54. wired eh? keep it going guys!
@loki ,yes i like the setup you described. very interesting. You should achieve kicks easily. Good luck to you in your search for them!! Moab
@Moab, Great scope shot! Always progressing.
I have my GK6 posted here. It is a 1 receiver, central based which is a runaway condition, radiant transmitter. The Radiant driver circuit is being engineered in another country at this moment. I expect receipt by the end of the month. Same operation as my previous audio feedback post. As you can see it is incredibly simply and expected to operate at a higher level of wattage and danger. We'll see and this will be a really cool test of pulsing a wire to generate radiant pulses. The ingrediants are coax, romex, and ducttape. Total price so far is $4.00 USD.
--giantkiller.
Looks great GK! as expected. And right where it needs to be! So you are trusting an outside source to produce your radiant driver circuits? Most gutsy indeed! build a coherer and loop one turn around your feedback and connect it to a continuity kill switch just to be safe. Until we have a better way to measure RE that seems to work best for me. Nice work!! GiantKiller. I cant wait to see your scope shots! ;D
Moab.
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The control box under the receivers alters the input signal to reduce the feedback gain which maintains the stable power lever out which in turns controls the entire feedback loop.
I am starting the mass production model.
--giantkiller. For such a time as this...
@spherenot,
I wrapped it open by hand and stepped on it.
It's 2 1/4 high, loop depth is 1". Wrap it around a static spray can.
--giantkiller.
Hello All,
Thought I would share my progress with you. I have spent the entire day working on my new control circuit to power my new TPU prototypes. It is designed strictly for capacitive, pulsed, discharge into the coils. There are two independently controlled 555 timers both running off of a single 9V battery. The idea is to give the caps an initial charge from the battery, and then recycle the BEMF spikes after they are discharged to recover some of the energy. Then I will add a feedback circuit to charge the caps from the voltage produced from the collector coil.
God Bless,
Jason O
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks."
and the patent sais:
Quote from: giantkiller on February 03, 2007, 02:47:29 PM
Steven has placed 2 microphones inside the speaker in the amplification feedback loop!
My job is done.
How fast can you blow an amp? The coils and rings are speakers. Thank you Marco.
This has been very, very real for me!
--giantkiller. Shift happens...
the patent referents to another one :5850455 Discrete dynamic positioning of audio signals in a 360.degree. environment
it shows the big ball which can be rotated in two directions and some other intresting things.
also there is a link to another patent United States Patent 6829361 Headphones with integrated microphones.
this deals with speakers combined with mic's combined.
also involves generating a third so called phantom source from two real sources.
Quote from: giantkiller on February 03, 2007, 02:01:33 PM
...construction techniques of the SM15 & SM17s.
...Flip it over and what do you have? Any size ring you need!
Remember though, the diameter controls the 2 frequencies and the height distance between the collectors.
Great idea to use gravity as a fixture, GK.
SM wanted, not only to build the correct architecture, but also to conceal the correct architecture. The foam and plastic are great for both of these objectives.
However, I feel that he may have paid a small price for his concealment: extra heat buildup.
As long as we have a rigid structure, we can open it up a bit to allow some convective cooling to take place; maybe add some large cooling vents between the loops.
I know it is a little early to start thinking about this final refinement but the open-source TPU can run cooler than the patented version because we have nothing to hide.
I certainly agree with this line of thinking and I want to point out what I consider important points and just kind of think out loud on the fly. By the way, I babble like this into my engineering notebooks and then study what I write down. So I like to think of formus, such as this one, as a public domain engineering notebook. Open source engineering....works for software........will work here also. I will openly post all that I find and will not fade away leaving anyone without the details.
What happened to the output of the TPU's when a neo mag is dropped in the center? I would expect regenerative a degenerative induction from the moving magnetic field of the neo and fixed conductors. A little bit of "extra" amplitude but we definitely worked for it by producing the fields that moved the mag in the first place. Hmmm........Can we move the Earth's magnetic field a little bit? If so are we not placing additional tension, potential, into the equation by doing that. Can we then relax our tensioning of that field and capture the induced, in positive, regenerative, phase. When I want a circuit to oscillate, i.e. build and oscillator amplifier, I provide positive feedback from the amp's output to the amp's input. This is a self reinforcing condition and as GK says if left out of control will blow out amplifiers, and speakers, and fuses, and etc. So the mechanism is there, but we supply all of the input power to support the various wave disturbances. What we need is to provide some energy from outside of our systems and couple that into them in positive feedback phase with the input signals. That will have a very dramatic effect if I have a magnetic field that I don't have to pay for and one that won't deplete due to exposure to AC fields. Holy crap.......the earth has one of those available and we stand right in it every day of our lives. So the kicks are the interaction with the earth and they are little things, but a load of them provided back in the correct phase i.e. the first 90 degrees of a sinusoid will add in regenerative superposition to each other.
As Artie Johnson used to say on Laugh In.........Very....Very....Interesting.
This is the line of reasoning I'm following. This is why I'm building digital controls and using computers. I'm revisiting FFT and DFT and all my AC theory goodies plus looking at natural positive feedback mechanisms.
It seems to me that the fixed magnetic field of the planet is certainly the external additional source and I need to understand how to interact and couple with that. Just as long as I remember to sense, monitor, and control it....lest I generate smoking components. Ahhhh....the use of sensors and fast realtime processing. Open source is going to change the world........again........my friends.
*****************************Loki********************************
Some kind of magnetic crowbar or lever..........needs an offset fulcrum to setup a leverage. Pluck the earth's magnetic lines of force and let them ring like a guitar string? Tesla was really interested in the rings he saw from thunderstorms and specifically the impulse function so beautifully demonstrated in lightning discharges.
THINK......THINK.........THINK
Hi all!
Another shot heard 'round the world, eh?
And congratulations to your Paradyme shift!
Now the next set of minds will come into position to further the progress.
Yes, you can put open source equal to the personal computer, the printing press, the Gutenberg Bible, water wheel, gunpowder, & fire. It is not a weapon.
As Mflynn44 posted 'We are on the brink'. I don't see any arguments with that!
@jason, great circuit. ;)
@tomas, it's all very sloppy. :D
@Loki, my whole thread is babble! ;D
@Spherenot, you can lay little rolls of screen cross wise as you fill in with the foam for air passages or find a mechanical/material solution something simpler than that. Cooling is necessary, thanks. I will put that in the 3d pic.
@others working anonymous. Thanks. We are a great team and this is the greatest project on the planet! Tesla would be proud. I know Steven Mark is. And I am a wreck! We went over the 1 year deadline by 3 days. Not bad guys. Thanks Tao.
You guys have fun. I am going to sit a few days and further design the production model as I watch all of this just explode and as all of you grow. And I always accept input. Now it is your turn not to sleep. I think I am in the best place now. :D
Thank you, Steven Mark, for changing our world.
--giantkiller. You all know kung-fu! 8)
Quote from: Loki67671 on February 04, 2007, 09:16:28 AM
So I like to think of formus, such as this one, as a public domain engineering notebook. Open source engineering....works for software........will work here also.
Works 4 me 2!
Has anyone looked into the analogue nervous-network that I posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1959.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1959.0.html)It may be a robust analogue method of feedback control. Intended to control the gate and speed of low-cost walking robots, I think that it may be adaptable to control the feedback loop that we are discussing here.
I recall that if a robot leg met an obstacle in it's path the leg motor resistance, (or inductance,) increased and caused the controller to skip ahead to the next sequence, thereby quickening the pace and spending more time moving the opposite leg in the other direction without the obstacle. The 4-position gate sequence might also change, on it's own, from a two-pulse mode to a one-pulse mode in response to multiple obstacles.
I saw Mark Tilden jangle his key ring on the nervous-net circuitry, as the robot was moving. It responded with twitches and such while he was at it for a few seconds. When he stopped, the damned thing just picked-up where it left off and started walking again. What is the definition of robust?
Instead of leg motor coils we have just coils. Instead of obstacles we have kicks. Too many kicks is like too many obstacles, time to change gate and/or frequency.
I do not have the electrical background to make the exact connection between these two ideas, but pese does. He was asking me about this yesterday.
What do you think, pese, will a "connection" be beneficial here?
A hieroglyphic model of SM17.
--giantkiller.
Few things are more annoying than that ear piercing squeal that occurs when someone passes a microphone too close to a speaker. You usually try to avoid this by positioning your speakers away from the area where the mics will be used. Unfortunately, this is not always possible.
The solution is to incorporate an electronic feedback controller into your sound system. This device will detect feedback frequencies within a fraction of a second.........
I also believe it is not too premature to check another item off.
--giantkiller.
Bravo guys, I see a lot of excitement, nice graphics and photos.
So the only thing left is power conversion, I see.
Well, let me tell you what I see from your experiments (and from my experiments)
1) Kicks are just spikes when power is disconected to an inductor, woop-de-doo, nothing special.
2) Rotating magnetic fields, as moab posted, nothing special either. Just take an AC motor apart and pull out the rotor and power up the stator and then stick a magnet inside, it will go round and round.
3) Resonance of the coils and capacitance that exists, again nothing special.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN:
You get more power out.
You get some gyroscopic effect.
You get some levitation :)
I'm not trying to discourage anybody, I'm just sharing my perspective, hopefully it will keep the exitement tempered and realistic. By the way, I have not accomplished any of the 3 effects, and levitation is not a requirement, but would be nice to have.
EMDevices..................Undoubtedly.................but the aggregate skill setting is paramount.................When I find the source to couple into the system, what ever that turns out to be, there will be power. This is just a very interesting avenue of research at this point............... ;D
All experimental results are data.................do not discount finding puzzle pieces in what look to be failures......................... 8)
Quote from: EMdevices on February 04, 2007, 11:31:05 AM
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN:
You get more power out.
You get some gyroscopic effect.
You get some levitation :)
I believe this to be the case too.
Have a look at US patent 5654723.
Also look at http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/levitationsma/levitationsma.htm
And how about this image for an idea?
Sorry, but I have to agree with EMdevices. Since GK saw a few spikes he is posting as if he has a working device. As an example, he is now saying that he is building a production model??? I don't think he has even made a light bulb glow at full brightness yet? It is great to see this type of enthusiasm but if he is wrong in what he is doing, he may be dragging a lot of people in the wrong direction.
Don't get me wrong, I have learned quite a bit in reading this thread. I think a lot of people know what is needed and the only thing we don't know is how to get there. There are a lot of great minds in here and hopefully we will get there soon.
I myself have built 5 TPU's mostly all different diameters and winding configurations. I haven't seen very much extraordinary activity, but have seen some unusual things. I am also a little tired of GK thanking Mr. Marks for changing our world. I am not sure in which world GK lives in. SM gave us some information but not much. If it wasn't for Dave, Turbo, Marco, Otto and others in pointing out or spelling out what to do, we would be in the same place we were a year ago. I think it is time for Mr. Marks to step up and feed us with a little more info. He wouldn't even need to post it to everyone. He knows who is close and who knows what they are doing. He could PM them and give them hints.
I usually don't bitch like this. Maybe it's the headache I've had for the last few days. I hope people don't start calling me Grumpy ;D.
By the way, where is the old fart?
Tim
:)
The wonderful process of invention,discovery and replication.
Quote from: IronHead on February 04, 2007, 06:16:49 PM
The wonderful process of invention,discovery and replication.
Don't we know, brother. Don't we know...
--giantkiller.
"One Ring to find them all and in their darkness bind them."
-giantkiller. ;)
Quote from: giantkiller on February 05, 2007, 11:17:09 AM
"One Ring to find them all and in their darkness bind them."
-giantkiller. ;)
Is it dark in here? or is it because it because i just came in from the light? 8)
Als if we comes from the dark in strong light...
we cant also see directly ,in this time anything !
We must wait then some moments....
GP
Quote from: pese on February 06, 2007, 05:57:19 AM
Als if we comes from the dark in strong light...
we cant also see directly ,in this time anything !
We must wait then some moments....
GP
;)
Here's something to try.
Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.
Radiant energy apparently likes resistance. Spark plug wire is made of graphite. This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot. You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.
Quote from: mrl on February 06, 2007, 04:42:54 PM
Here's something to try.
Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.
Radiant energy apparently likes resistance. Spark plug wire is made of graphite. This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot. You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.
I got a flyback out of a monitor last night. It is on a full side board with other functions so I have more extraction to do. Then hook a wire or jumper cable to watch it jump. Then I have HV setup!
--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!
Quote from: giantkiller on February 06, 2007, 05:50:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on February 06, 2007, 04:42:54 PM
Here's something to try.
Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.
--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!
Just make sure the brains are not from Abbynormal.
Quote from: giantkiller on February 06, 2007, 05:50:01 PM
Quote from: mrl on February 06, 2007, 04:42:54 PM
Here's something to try.
Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.
Radiant energy apparently likes resistance. Spark plug wire is made of graphite. This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot. You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.
I got a flyback out of a monitor last night. It is on a full side board with other
functions so I have more extraction to do. Then hook a wire or jumper cable to watch it jump. Then I have HV setup!
--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!
Be Careful here GK, Now your getting in to some real weird Chitt! :-\
Moab
We rule! Dudes!
--giantkiller.
www.powerballs.com (http://www.powerballs.com)
I got mine. This thing kicks. It's like nunchuks but without the sticks.
My highest so far is 7k. Less than the girls record. Oooooh.
--giantkiller.
:)
Check out the pictures on page 5 & 8....
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf)
@spherenot,
.01uf, .1uf, 1uf, 10uf. 200k audio pots.
Keep it clean.
--giantkiller.
Loki's precious in Loki's Lair.
Quote from: Loki67671 on February 10, 2007, 07:57:09 PM
Loki's precious in Loki's Lair.
u make dat pweshush sing!
Check out the ringing when you get kicks! This is the part of the wave that produces the overmodulating feedback for the ring...
The kick sends the amplifier into overmodulation immediately. The rings exacerbate the process. No ramp up time like regular instrument / amplifer pairing.
--giantkiller. Very, very cool.
Hey GK & All,
I am not up to speed with some of you here, but I do make questing for knowledge by my own hand a part of my every day.
Here I mixed together a 9V, 555 w/ 1M-pot frq-ctrl, 50k-pot pls-wth-ctrl & 0.1 MF cap, 1000MF cap, Tesla flat bifilar coil, 1/4" neo-mag, soda closure, and oscilloscope. See and hear the magnet buzz on the video attached here.
When I turn the magnet over on a particular face I hear a high pitched squeal. (No video attached.)
This is nothing close to Moab's "neonado" magnet tornado show. I am just exploring my abilities and sharing my progress, or lack thereof.
Rosphere--it's all good! ;)
UPDATE: With this video I soldered-out the 0.1 MF cap on the timer board and replaced it with a 1 MF cap to get down into the single digit Hz range. Then I replaced the neo-magnet with a compass and fiddled with my 555 knobs until the compass dial began to oscillate. I watched it precess slowly all the way around the dial at a rate of one revolution in thirty seconds. A video is attached for those interested.
I also deleted the two close-ups images because there is sufficient detail is in the first picture and the sizes are not small.
Great shots and impeccable neatness.
Any results are good.
--giantkiller. tnx
Thanks GK. I can not wait to see what you have been up to this weekend. How is the new baby coming along; do you have any 'ultrasound' images to share?
The object this session was to alleviate the wire jumpers from the middle of the TPU. I don't want anything in the field.
I have to switch some trannys around to run the freqs correctly.
The other graphic is the GK7(SM17) model. The loop drivers will be TPUs setup in rotating magnetic field pulsers(Thanks Marco & Moab). This is the direction I am heading. I have all the hardware for the configuration. Just got to piece it together. I have been accumulating all along. We won't know unless someone tries. So for those that have seen things in their working TPU, isn't cool?
So the list is:
I have to get the rings to fire from kicks with trailing edge ringing.
The microphones to pickup.
Produce ringing feedback.
Loopback to the amplifier controller (Have to build or acquire circuit).
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We have seen each of these steps in our daily lives. Now I am just going to put them all together. Also, these steps can be done many ways by anybody here. Stick a guitar in front of an amplifier and turn up the volume. Then leave the room! Need I say more?
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The little blue component is the scalar wave transmitter. 2 magnets Norths facing each other coiled together with 60 turns 30awg magwire. Connect to dc and the waves shoot out the flatter faces. They say you can warp the foil in a cd among other things. Device made, inventory acquired, tests another day.
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Domestic controls ran my life this weekend. So no great strides.
I speak in american vernacular and that is the way it is.
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Sir Richard Branson has offered to spend 3 billion over the next ten years towards global warming. Sm had the answer 10 years ago. Tesla had the answer over 100 years ago. On average our TPUs cost ~$40.00USD. My commitment back in September 2006 was to produce these for $50.00USD. I am sticking to that. I talk as if we were already there? The Bible says 'Speak it as it were so'.
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--giantkiller. If radiant energy can travel through anything. What is stopping us?
Wow! All of the townspeople must be helping you wind all of those coils. That is a lot of winding.
I wonder what would happen if, when you were done, you made two more TPUs just like it and mounted them on three even larger hoops to make an even larger TPU. And then you made two more of these and mounted them on giant hoops to make a giant TPU. What happens at each higher iteration; levitation, then time travel?
Well, I may have lost it. Time for bed.
Rosphere--someone in this house has to get up for work in the morning. :(
Hi , i am looking for a ring......
There seem to be a lot of rings over here ,exept i cannot find "the-one" ;D
Good Luck To All.
You rang?!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,498.0.html
It appears to me that we are making no real progress with the TPU. The threads are fragmenting and focus is being lost and as a result team work is suffering. Has our precious cast it's spell on us at last and confused our minds?
Quote from: giantkiller on February 07, 2007, 03:03:54 PM
Check out the pictures on page 5, 6 & 8....
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf)
Been studying this patent a little more. I looks like the video cable and the lamp wire are a close fit in the diagrams.
No enveloping darkness from the precious. I am just winding up for the pitch.
--giantkiller.
I put these other posts here in this thread for substantiation.
Quote from: giantkiller on February 01, 2007, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Spherenot on February 01, 2007, 07:40:57 AM
Regarding the last three posts:
I have a B.S.M.E. that whispers in my ear every day that this is not possible. Oh, yeah?
Perhaps this is why I persist; it is not like the establishment has never lied to us before.
Atoms move, planets move, stars move, galaxies move, clusters move and it is all free inside this static force generator that exists at all levels! Don't wait for another go around, grab the brass ring this time! And let's start our own revolution! Kapeesh?
And now there are 4. A coil in the circuit is worth 2 in the mind.
--giantkiller. It is a great day to live!
Quote from: Mannix on February 18, 2007, 01:17:02 AM
Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.
I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!
Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators! If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices? So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add? Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.
Thanks Mannix.
This is to be considered public domain.
I attached leads and a burned out fuse to the stungun ends. The blue, cold energy stream follows the sides of the glass housing of the fuse towards conduction. I have attained a spark gap. I am going to work my way around the circular path in the diagram. My next step outward from the stungun is to connect different loop types to see the best compression of a magnetic field in the center across the feedback. The easiest step is to fire the trigger from a 555 and to vary the mono pulse to tune to the feedbacks.
--giantkiller. 'Kick the can'.
Quote from: giantkiller on February 21, 2007, 11:22:59 AM
This is to be considered public domain.
I attached leads and a burned out fuse to the stungun ends. The blue, cold energy stream follows the sides of the glass housing of the fuse towards conduction. I have attained a spark gap. I am going to work my way around the circular path in the diagram. My next step outward from the stungun is to connect different loop types to see the best compression of a magnetic field in the center across the feedback. The easiest step is to fire the trigger from a 555 and to vary the mono pulse to tune to the feedbacks.
--giantkiller. 'Kick the can'.
Is the output of the stun gun DC? If not you may not get good results because you cannot generate radiant energy with an AC spark.
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This is a quote from another site so it can be shared as much as possible...
Anybody want 'New'?
Posts start on 20070204
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22841.html#msg22841
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22844.html#msg22844
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg23001.html#msg23001
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24037.html#msg24037
I have hooked in the stungun to trigger the 20" easyflow cable 6" loop. That experiment took down my cable box, wireless router, reset and shutdown the workstation. I felt the tingle that Tesla talked about. I posted this before with the GK4 on 20070113. Again the TPUs have their feedbacks wrapped around the rings. The large TPUs have their feedbacks inside the rings. At some point SM converted from spark gap to solid state. One could also make a very small spark gap from a small rubber tube with a short nail stuffed in each end. Why is this neccessary? Smack the copper! This was a clue prior(the back side of the SM17). That was a failsafe? Don't be stupid! A stungun type circuit(Boost) is the secret for the trigger. Otto's, 390721 bucking coil, jumpering makes kicks without the smacking circuit. But with the kick pulse fed with a boost circuit you get a raise in the potential level.
I have results. I received headaches and others have burned themselves. I have posted. And this is nothing more than you all know as of now. SM had described things to keep the greedy off course and at the same time everything he said has 2 meanings. Have a clue. The guy is a genuis in puzzles.
Posters have slammed Steven Mark, Mannix and others. Not only have you wronged others but largely your own selves to a dire degree.
Check out who else has kicks. Doesn't it make you wonder why? Aren't these important?
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Looks like he who posts the best diatribe owns the subject? The TPU feedback operation was my explanation on 20070204. The TPU is also a closed loop stungun. I had posts deleted on the other sites. I have received numerous design answers offsite from Mannix & SM and others who I work in labs with. I am the poster for these actions.
Secret club? I am sure somebody will raise their torch and pitchfork to burn out the infidel. But I have figured out the clues given and the pattern of how these are posted. Alot of people don't like games. I enjoy the 'cat and mouse' game. I visualize just like Tesla. I get an idea and throw stuff together. I am on 5 different paths right now with this technology. And the things that work are on my bench. Why don't I share? I have. I am on a roll to catch up with the flood on solutions that have become apparent to me after I built each step. You've all seen the pictures of Tesla in the huge spark field? He is sitting inside a huge stungun. Have a clue. Has anybody found UEC or the patents? Have a clue.
I was mocked for posting production plans of the SM17. I guess you won't work for me.
I have learned a massive knowledge and experience from all the sites and close relations with a certain few. And a great thanks to you all. The last 6 months in these sites has given me the knowledge to match up with where I dreamed my life would be.
This post has all the TPU triggering functionality necessary for operation.
--giantkiller. 'I know Kung Fu'. No shit...
GK - you are starting to sound mentally unstable. I recommend a stout alcoholic beverage.
You will not copy the TPU unless SM himself tells you how and he's not doing that. So don't go thinking you figured it out and duiplicated it or any crap like that - regardless of what you come up with. Look at all of the changes in direction and various explanations that have come from SM. Throwing greedy people off? No. Only those who would copy the device. No one but Mannix persued this device for ten years or so.
Three collectors, but no explanation why. Kicks mixing, earth's magnetic field, flipping device over, rotating compass, etc.
Who ever said that each TPU works the same way? Perhaps some versions only collect and the others generate.
You are going in several directions at the same time - at one point the device is described as a generator and at other times it is only a collector. I wish SM would make up his mind.
Re-read SM's comments on Tao's thoughts and you will see that the damn collectors go on the outside. Also, no mention of feedback in that message - no three collectors - no rotating field - no precise frequency control - no three frequencies - no tubes - none of that BS. Just pulse the damn wire and make sure it stops before it reaches the end. (Speed of propagation, pulse rise time, etc.)
GK, Thank you for shariing your StunGun & other ideas with us.
Because I value your expertise & opinions, may I ask a couple of questions:
1. In your opinion is the 7.3 Hertz frequency still necessary for a functioning TPU?
2. Is a rotating field necessary for a TPU to work?
Thank you.
.
Fatbird.
A SWAG.
1 yes a harmonic of 7.83
2 rotation is a byproduct
It's like saying is heat requiard to make light. It is not. A firefly makes light without getting hot.
Go GK go! thanks for shareing!! moab
I built the charge chamber out of a piece of yellow rubber tubing and 2 huge nails.
I succeeded in removing the stungun circuit from the casing safely. I can put it back together again should I decide to do so.
Now,
You can see in the picture that the rubber chamber is aglow. I moved the device away from my pc desktop. With the nail/conduction points closer together than any other circuit parts the charge is in the tube instead of outside. Another safety point. And it is also quieter. I really don't want it exposed anyway. I am chasing the effect in the loop of easyflow audio cable that was attached during the previous test. I will put that back in. Now this is best part. My next step is to attach one of the 555s of my controller circuit to the trigger and fire that at? (you gotta guess the frequency). Oops, times up. 7.8hz. Surprise! I will try a whole wide band of freqs while I am here anyway. Right? No telling what happens when Frankenstein blinks the first time, eh?
And the good news is I can grab the charge chamber with no shock and again there is no heat.
The power draw is +14 amp spikes. I got to change power supplies or get an automotive battery.
Another path I am going on is to fire GK4 with the circuit. And that is if the 30awg controls don't offer too much resistance. I can see why SM said lamp wire. I have GK5 which is totally lamp wire, hexfilar controllers / feedbacks with easyflow collectors. The stun gun circuit wants a dead short to the spark gap.
The next step is gonna be fun.
I hope the picture is clear enough.
--giantkiller. It's been another great week. I hope everybody else had one too.
Hey Everyone,
This post seems to be a little dead lately so I thought I would post some things to get us going again. Attached are a couple of clips from Tom Bearden's video about Radionics. In the sections I chunked, he talks about how input of scalar Harmonic Waves is required to tap into the vacuum energy and he also cites references for further reading... I dunno about you all but this is the most revealing stuff I've seen in quite a while and it lines up perfectly with what Mr. Mark has been telling us about the frequencies mixing.... also Canceling of the magnetic field.... Think Scalar Waves and bifilar control windings...
God Bless,
Jason O
Here's the next chunk
and wnother one
Here's the last one.
Here is the source of the four posted avi-files:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)
I watched the whole thing last night. Jdo300 gleaned some of the very best selections from this video that help explain the TPU operational concept. Thank you, Jdo300. What a find! :)
Yup that's the stuff
Learn it , Live it
Just Build it
IronHead
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html)
"Conversely, scalar fields can be created by destructively interfering vector fields, in a nonlinear medium."
"...toward the production of 'free energy' from the vacuum of space, using the principles of optical phase conjugation, but in a more generalized mode."
http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
Hieronymus Detector
US Patent Number 2,482,773
Awarded 1949
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"
First Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)
EDIT: 15/MAR/07: The above video is no longer available. :(
Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
This is the boldest statement I am to make so far.
@Rosphere, tnx for the direction.
--giantkiller. RFC me!
Think about this one!
2 stunguns aimed at an object, varying the angular and distance position.
Why you ask? Who ever heard of firing 2 stunguns at once? Really! What nonsense! You say 2 Tesla coils emmiting at once? Utter insanity! Scalar interferometry? Sounds pretty close to me... Somebody is going to get caught.
Weren't there 2 spark gaps, oops, I mean 2 fuse holders on the back of the SM17? Hmmmmm.
And powered directly from the center control unit from the center of the feedbacks. Aye! Laddies! We be scuttlin' this lassie, eh? Argh!
--giantkiller. Thank you all, gentlemen. It is a good time to be alive!
ps. One ring to rule them all...
Oh, pss. On the seventh day he rests his case.
.
This is the direction I am heading in.
In reference to the attached picture:
I: control, stun gun 1
II: control, stun gun 2, possibly opposite direction from I. Counter rotating.
III: collector, scalar wave detection. On top, right?
Twilight zone, 1961.
--giantkiller. RFC.
Quote from: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 12:34:33 PM
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"
First Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)
Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
Here is a direct physical example of what that diagram represents. It works very well and anyone can create this setup with little effort. Check this out:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/scalar4.txt
I think we should all try this out.
God Bless,
Jason O
The Bearden/Whittaker scalar interferometry test on an SM17 type test platform. Cost equals 1 hour labor, $10.00 in materials.
15 inch diameter loops of Easyflow audio cable, cardboard spacers, 12awg terminators & duct tape.
Will drive the 2 bottom loops with stunguns. Upper loop is collector.
Full Electronics to follow if tests prove substantial.
--giantkiller. In pursuit. 8)
:)
Quote from: joe dirt on February 25, 2007, 09:45:51 PM
hello all
This thread is absolutely dynamic and thought provoking. Fantastic work
to all involved in bringing this concept to light (literally) ;)
@giantkiller appropiate title for this thread ;D thanks for the reply. got the
schems and pics, nice work, now I just have to clean up the
old shop and start building!!!
p.s. is there a rosetta stone somewhere that can translate Tom Beardon work :P
Get a cajun interpreter.
Quote from: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html)
"Conversely, scalar fields can be created by destructively interfering vector fields, in a nonlinear medium."
"...toward the production of 'free energy' from the vacuum of space, using the principles of optical phase conjugation, but in a more generalized mode."
Read this paper. This explains the possiblities of the Hutchison effect. It is being done!
Thanks, Rosphere.
Get a cajun interpreter.
Thanks GK. Have'nt laughed like that in a while.. Good one. ;D
Edmund Taylor Whittaker (http://www.rexresearch.com/whittakr/whittakr.htm)
@Rosphere,
Saw your posts on the BJT/Led. I used Tip41a's and stayed with that design.
Your current posts helped me attach Hutchison's work to Bearden's principles.
This was most important to me and the next leap.
Thank you. I am forever in your debt.
--giantkiller. There is always less work with more understanding. :)
Quote from: Jdo300 on February 25, 2007, 07:34:30 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 12:34:33 PM
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"
First Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)
Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
Here is a direct physical example of what that diagram represents. It works very well and anyone can create this setup with little effort. Check this out:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/scalar4.txt
I think we should all try this out.
God Bless,
Jason O
Ok I tried this.
First i made two identical ( Perfectly legal ::) ) CDs using Nero burn. I listened to them both as suggested by the directions. To ensure they were identical. They were. Then i wrapped the magnets as directed and wired it using a 9v battery and small DC motor. All as outlined.
My findings.
1.The scalar radiated CD lost bass and gained high end. And also lost over all volume and tambre.
2.Jdo300. (Jason,) owes Moab a new CDr!!
Just kidding! Trying to keep it lite 8)
Moab.
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Quote from: Rosphere on February 26, 2007, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on February 26, 2007, 11:00:28 AM
Saw your posts on the BJT/Led. I used Tip41a's and stayed with that design.
EMdevices' schematic, on page one of that topic, claims to use a PNP. How would you revise this circuit to work with your NPN?
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Your current posts helped me attach Hutchison's work to Bearden's principles.
This was most important to me and the next leap.
Thank you. I am forever in your debt.
Thank you for your kind words. :)
I know nothing. I am only trying to help out when I see a connection. We are all in this together,... well, most of us anyway. ;)
I was referencing my coil controller.
But try this: Reverse L1 and T1(emitter to battery negative). Reverse the L2 connections. Put your new scope on it. Looks like BEMF is a big player here.
--giantkiller.
Hey Moab,
Interesting results there! I just made my Scalar Beamer device last night (am going to play with it this evening) but with a twist. Rather than just wasting that scalar energy coming off of the magnets. I wrapped a single turn 'collector' coil around the magnets to pick up the energy. My 'collector' just happens to be a piece of speaker wire about 18" long. I wrapped 40 turns of 20 gauge magnet wire around the magnets (regular rectangular ceramic ones 3/8" x 1" x 1.75"). I'll cut some CD's tonight to replicate your original test but rather than using a small DC motor to provide the kicks, I'm going to pulse the coil with my control circuit directly and see what shows up on the collector coil.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason:
Just thought I would call your attention to the fact that your main winding is accross the small side of the face and at the keeley site is shows it along the length. Might be something there tho who knows. Best to try them all I guess. Tend to think JB has already in that one.
sugra
Interfering frequencies: The breakfast of Champions.
Tesla:
Colorado Springs Tower that interacts with the Earth's forces. And many pictures of him sitting in the spark gap of cold energy. Develops remote power and remote destruction.
Bearden:
Talks about moving objects, levitating objects, transporting objects, creating new matter by focusing 2 frequencies as in scalar interferometry.
Hutchison:
Moves objects, levitates objects, congeals non-cohesive matter. Uses 2 frequencies from a Tesla coil and a driven microphone. Has trouble with control. Physical layout is most important for control of the interference vector.
Steven Mark:
Creates or pulls power from Earthly forces by using 2 frequencies in the SM17 ring. This is a dual emp generator with a feedback amplifier. Exact control has been attained for specific results. The SM17 has 2 frequencies involved and better control is achieved due to the physical layout of the coils.
Philadelphia experiment:
A large generator interacting with the Earth's forces. Time, matter and space distortion.
Nasa alien contact video:
Shows the use of frequencies to power, levitate, cloak, and to shift direction in oblique angles and speeds.
Star Trek:
Transporter, food replicator, photon cannon, phasors. Devices that are frequency driven. Output results similar to what Bearden and Hutchison are involved in.
The movie 'Contact':
Shows the use of high speed magnetic fields to produce time and space anomalies.
We are so close.
I do not believe in non believers. To kill the dreamer is to kill the vision and without a vision we are blind. Bicycle parts do fly!
I bought another stungun. Am repairing the first one. I will put drivers in parallel with the gun triggers and pulse them in different combinations.
I have plastic tubing with a nail in each end to create a variable spark gap. I introduced loops in the output circuit by putting the spark gap at a distance from the gun. The loop is now an emp generator with scalar tendencies. The spark moves around inside the tube. This tells me that there are changes in conductivity when the conduction path changes. This is very high frequency in the starting and stopping conduction event. The circuit itself does not need to run at a high speed. And still no heat. By running the spark inside, I can grab the spark gap to check the temperature. And you feel the kicks. When I put fingertips about 1/8 inch away from the nail you observe the yellow streamers with blue strike points in micro lightning storms like my fingers are thunderclouds.
The most important thing here is I am touching nothing else!
And that, my friends, is why we build.
I now know why Tesla sits in the spark gap. It is amazing to watch again for the first time and prove that the energy is safe. Who would have thought that Tesla was sitting inside the world's largest stun gun.
This the greatest adventure on the planet. And we are part of it.
--giantkiller. With this post now more people know. ;) I run and not grow weary.
ps. Just to let you know: I had previously received a PM from Steven Mark letting me know he has pain in his hands to this day from grabbing the coils during testing. Be safe. We won't have to spend the years he did.
interesting image:
Grumpy,
Walter Russell's "cosmic pulsation".
Kent
Yes it is.
No such things as multiturns here...
Hmm
Looks familiar:
.
Two charged particles close together make up a dipole . This dipole will expend energy for very long time ,near forever in respect to mans understanding. If you send energy back to that dipole it degrades then disappears . So you ether block the energy going back or you use all of it before it gets back to the dipole.
Telsa's RE circiut was like a ram jet - oneway flow - never stopping. No reversal was permitted or the effect would not manifest itself.
dipole - two opposite charges
run a conductor between them and you get emf.
Quote from: giantkiller on February 27, 2007, 12:02:43 PM
Interfering frequencies: The breakfast of Champions.
ps. Just to let you know: I had previously received a PM from Steven Mark letting me know he has pain in his hands to this day from grabbing the coils during testing. Be safe. We won't have to spend the years he did.
@GK
It's good to know that Steven Mark is here.
Mannix posted a message from Steven. Part of the message is the below quote.
"When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky"
Do you now think Steven was working with scalar interferometry when he made the above observation?
Thanks GK for all your work and thanks to SM. I wish I had your energy.
More like he discovered the same damn thing a thousand others have discovered:
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html
Q, smoke, kicks, runaway, yada yada yada...plenty of power if you can keep it from burning itself up.
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?
Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.
Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.
Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.
But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.
The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.
Quote from: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 12:45:23 PM
More like he discovered the same damn thing a thousand others have discovered:
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html
Q, smoke, kicks, runaway, yada yada yada...plenty of power if you can keep it from burning itself up.
Ok. Using a resonant circuit as in the above links, where do you think the excess power (overunity) is generated? Possibly in the spark gap or a coil in series with the spark gap?
I think we would still be using the electrostatic effect in that case. Generate a large resonant pulse and induce it into a secondary
oops, back into my hole....
An EE frind of mine was kind enough to point this out to me (he's built a few Tesla coils). Reading the two pages that I linked should make it all clear. If not, stay in the world of fantasy and dreams.
9 kw TPU? Don't think so.
If you have followed this for the last year or even the last several months you can see how SM's explanations are all over the place. Kicks, rotating magnetic fields, 3 frequencies, tube electronics, electrons from the sky...duped us all, or at least many of us.
Bottom line:
The TPU makes an induction heater with excess power output. Runs hot.
Radiant Energy is still worth persuing...
EDIT: Clarification. The TPU captures RE, but there are better methods - without the heat.
JDO300 posted this
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24457.html#msg24457 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24457.html#msg24457)
a few back and it had been posted before that. But if you look at the dual rings or frequencies then the North to North facing fields looks the same in both cases. The little motor or interfering frequency fits in here also.
--giantkiller.
What the hell does that have to do with the TPU? Oh yeah! The TPU works on scalar wave principles now - it has mutated again!
BS
What a waste of time and effort the TPU has become. It's no wonder that only Mannix persued it for 10+ years after it fell into obscurity.
Well ya know, It is GK's Thread. he started it.So if he wants to pulse his coils with scalar waves or Gin-n-Juice, More power to him!! (Pun intended)
;) Moab.
Perhaps the TPU is not practical but I still want to understand how SM generated and collected enough RE to power the devices shown in the videos.
Thanks for the support. The pattern I've have seen in life is the beatings get worse the closer to the goal one gets. So I take great pride in wearing the stripes. Quotes from many others before me: 'If it were that easy, we'd be done'.
I can take alot more hits, because I am not giving up.
This thing is like putting a model together. One piece at a time. And whenever we get to a stopping place I sit back and research with what others have to offer. This is not my thread. This is a living document contributed to by all and that makes it all worth it.
Also, humble pie is the dessert of revenge.
There has been no going wrong here. It is all good.
--giantkiller.
Gk, and all
Of all the things that gave results the one outstanding effect is that as the field gathers the frequencies seem to be reluctant to stick to each other.
As soon as I used tubes that effect went away . stability at last! not kws of energy not anigravity..Just a much more stable platform to experiment with.My frequencies are not jumping abou any more...imagine that!
Try them! and see the difference, pulse them and see the speed..as good as any mosfet but in both directions.
Almost everything that we use today was first developed with tubes..then was refined with ss specific circuits .why should tpu's be any different?
I am not saying that ss is a waste of time but I am saying that it will take less time with tubes because of the above effect...and thats probably just the beginning of it.
Yes they are inefficient little things.....but very fast!
please do not look up specs...just try it for yourself!
I dont care how long this takes, I am enjoying the process in spite of frustrations which I own myself.
Winter is comming here so perhaps an induction heater is just what I want for now!
Enjoy the hunt all
Lindsay Mannix
I'll be more direct and less cryptic:
GK,
Are you really any closer than you were a year ago?
Your wires are to short for the pulse to stop before it gets to the end of the wire.
Calculate the minimum wire length from the pulse width and propagation velocity. At low frequencies (long pulses) you will need a very long piece of wire.
Your "kicks" have reversals - see attached.
As Bedini illustrated, capacitors can hold RE.
Notice the same spark between SM's TPU and Bedini's circuit? (Yeah, Bedini's is bigger...)
See Richie's pages for a means to create kicks that do not destroy everything. (Deliberately tuned off resonance.)
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
You already have a spark gap - a magnetic field will extinguish it quicker as the electric charge jumping the gap will be forced to turn. If you stay with the static gap, try multiple sets of contacts.
@GK,
Build the Bendini control circuit, try using that to power the coils. I built it last night and tested it (without the coils) and we get real nice positive going pulses. Tonights test is with my last TPU, top and bottom coils all in series. The center coil will be wired in series as well but used as the feedback. The outter coil (used to be feedback) will be the collector in this setup. Do not use the traditional collectors in this test.
I used the following transistors
NTE 123a
NTE 196
NTE 197
(edited the transistors, had a typo)
The thing I will need to determine is if the outter coil (feedback/collector in this case) will need to be reverse wound.
The next step will be to use a FWBR on its output and then maybe use a large value cap to collect the output.
The cool thing about doing this test is that no major re-work of the TPU is required, The only issue I potentially see is if the current control coils series resistance is sufficient to produce the field and not load the PS or generate a lot of heat in the control coils.
So to summarize my next experiement is the following;
1. Each layer of the TPU's control coils are in series
2. The Top and Bottom control coils are connected in series to increase the resistance and field strength.
3. The middle layer is the feedback to the above mentioned trigger/oscillator circuit.
Did I forget to mention the use of a magnet here???
4. Place a neo magnet on the inside of the TPU next to the middle layer (feedback coil) to initiate the oscillator.
If this experiement goes well and produces interesting results the next step is to build the TPU the right way.
You ask yourself what is the right way?
Well the right way is to use a coil wrapped in a loop (6" dia) using 30ga (maybe 32ga) magnet wire so the total resistance is at least 60 ohms or better (maybe more R?? gotta check this out).
Then wind 2 collectors using 16ga stranded in a loop as well using 24 turns. These are the collectors that can be either in series or parallel. THese wil be placed on the top and bottom of the control/exciter coil.
The Feedback coil will be located in the center of the TPU (small torrid) that will trigger the control/oscillator circuit.
Sounding familar yet?
The Larger TPU's use this design, GK showed this in the last pix he posted showing a cross section of the larger TPU.
Me Thinks we are very close here.
It appears to me that this concept uses an air core transformer with roughly a 28:1 winding ratio (at least with how my last TPU was wound). Also looks very similar to Bendini's battery charger circuit.
GK what do you think of this design/operation?
:)
@starcruiser,
I see the top and bottom controls in series within the segments and the the top and bottom connected in series to impress a squeeze on the middle collector. And all of us that have coils of this wind configuration can jumper in a myriad of paths. So, yes it is good. And the Bedini bemf loop stuck in my mind too. I got a loose association with the stun gun triggered by some part of the TPU as feedback from the Bedini posts about the Little Girl circuit. I was discussing this with MRD10 in Perth and we both agreed that the Bedini was a mechanical version of the TPU. From what you posted, that idea gains more solid ground. The weekend is coming up. Time to really grab some more turf on this issue. I will try your jumps this weekend and fire it with a single gun.
@Grumpy,
yes, I will check out the wire lengths. The backtrack to lamp wire makes project direction changes, temporary or permanent, almost instantaneous. And thanks for the clear post.
@all,
as you can see, patience is king.
@Mannix,
I don't remember seeing this anywhere but maybe the ss in the middle of the ring compression field gives the effect of tube operation. After all there are 2 energies, the EM and RE. Also, could SM have put a spark gap in the TPUs? Like the small ones in the stunguns on the circuit boards, not the external electrode?
--giantkiller. Thanks guys.
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.
Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.
For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.
But we can feel it ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??
Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??
Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.
Question for group.
When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:
1. Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?
OR
2. Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?
Each one has its own circuit implications.
Thank you.
.
Well I just tried out my theory on a small scale and I got some promising results. The exciter circuit works as expected.
Unfortunately the 12v battery is just about dead less than 11.6v) and the TPU's lower control coils has a short in it. The resistance of the upper layer on the TPU is 9.5 ohms and the lower is about 6 ohms so this means I cannot generate a stable field. This short is most likely due to the HV experiements I was doing on my last tests. I guess 30KV cooked something.
Well to the results....the exciter/Osc circuit was providing about 5vpp signal into the series connected control coils and the secondary was providing approx 2.2vpp. (see scope shot).
I then used a single diode to see if I could rectify the signal and was able to obtain a little over 1vdc with a ripple on it. (see second scope shot)
These results are without a magnet to "tickle" or "excite" the windings.
I am thinking that if the following items are addressed I can improve the output;
1. charge the battery to full capacity
2. re-wind the control coils to provide a larger field (more turns of 30ga magnet wire)
3. make sure the control coil(s) has a resistance of at least 60 ohms
4. use a neo magnet to excite the feedback process.
I know some will say this is nothing but a simple transofrmer action, but I say "I know this is a fact". I feel that if I increase the field from the coils I can start the electron avalanche I am seeking.
This is just the first stage in my testing and was a proof of concept and that more can be achieved with the correct setup. As a result I must now start winding the new TPU with the improved coils.
Quote from: FatBird on March 01, 2007, 07:47:34 PM
Question for group.
When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:
1. Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?
OR
2. Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?
Each one has its own circuit implications.
Thank you.
.
To reiterate additively:
One way for Option #1 is the bucking field 390721 patent in 3 layers using Otto's jumpers. That is post #2 in this thread.
One way for option #2 is Moabs
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22653.html#msg22653
Somehwere around there. He even posted the sequence diagram.
But we both got kicks. Oh, please! Is this old news or what? ;D Doesn't that sound great?
--giantkiller.
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.
The materials we are using are for a lower level of energy, current. Current can't travel that far through air. Radiant E can go forever. One of Tesla's speeches.
What do you call a TPU pulsed by a stungun? Frankenbuzzer. :D
--giantkiller.
Hello all
Does anybody know who this is ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8&mode=related&search=
"Also, there is another interesting analogy.
We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all."
Quote from: giantkiller on March 01, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.
GK, the electronics were not in the center during this test but still on my large breadboard, I used several jumpers to connect it to the TPU, so it was about 12' away or so.
I wanted to test the circuit (and the concept) before I built a proto board and made it more permanant. I will now do this over the weekend.
As for the circuit here is what I am using
This is the circuit is part of the driver circuit from the Bendini window motor. Note the extra coil I drew in for the secondary/collector. The feedback side of the circuit only requires a 1v pulse to trigger the circuit, I tested this with my signal generator to determine the trigger point. I am thinking of swapping the resistor out for a 2k pot to allow adjustment of the sensitivity.
Anyway more to do.
Quote from: joe dirt on March 02, 2007, 03:11:55 AM
Hello all
Does anybody know who this is ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8&mode=related&search=
Not sure why that guy posted it but it is not his unit or video. That is CTGLabs TPU/video. This unit is not functional.
BTW, can anyone translate the words on the video, I would be interested in what he is claiming exactly.
Quote from: Sauron on February 28, 2007, 02:47:37 PM
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?
Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.
Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.
Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.
But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.
The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.
I really liked this post. It reminded me of Mannix/SM post from long ago.
<quote>
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
<stop quote>
Kent
Consider this configuration for the TPU. How about a neon transformer tank circuit operating near resonance. The high voltage across the capacitor is fed to a magnetically quenched spark gap. In series with the spark gap is a two turn primary. The secondary is a long coil of fine wire so that there will always be a train of pulses. That is, no pulse will reach the end of the coil before the coil is again pulsed. At the end of the coil is an Avramenko plug to pull electrons from the vacuum. Power is taken from the system across the capacitor which is part of the plug.
SM quote "When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky".
"There is no mass circuitry involved, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other"
Electrical Analogue
The analysis of mechanical and acoustical circuits is
made very much easier by the application of analogues in
which mass is equivalent to inductance, compliance to
capacitance, and friction to resistance.
Using SI units,
direct conversion between acoustical, mechanical and
electrical elements can be performed.
The beauty of the analogue method of analysis is that
it is possible by using various transformation equations
to refer the acoustic and electrical parameters to the
mechanical side, or conversely, the mechanical and
acoustic parameters to the electrical side, etc. For the
purpose of this analysis the electrical and acoustical
parameters are referred to the mechanical side. The
diaphragm can be thought of as an acoustic/mechanical
transducer ? that is, a device for transforming acoustic
energy to mechanical energy, and vice versa. Under
these circumstances it will also act as an impedance
transformer, i.e., it will convert acoustic inertance into
mechanical mass and acoustic compliance into mechanical
compliance and acoustic resistance into mechanical
resistance.
The most important parameter affecting the performance
of a loudspeaker is ?cone flexure?. Because real
materials are not infinitely rigid and have mass, the
velocity of propagation through the material is finite.
The cone is driven at the apex and the impulse travels
outwards towards the periphery where it is reflected
back to the source. At particular frequencies when the
distance to the edge are odd quarter wavelengths, the
returning impulse will be 180? out of phase and tend to
cancel; conversely, when the distance is multiples of half
wavelengths they will augment ? under these conditions
the system can be considered as a transmission line, and
theoretically (and to some extent, practically) if the
outer annulus were made resistive and of the correct
value the line would be terminated and no reflections
would occur.
The conical diaphragm also has radial or ?bell? modes
of flexure. These are similar to the resonances in a bell
and occur when the circumference is an integral number
of wavelengths.
What is a valve?
Thermionic emission
Before transistors became common, all electronics relied
on the valve, there were even computers using valves!
All metals have free electrons within their crystal
structure, so some of them must be at the surface of the
metal, but they are bound there by the nuclear forces
between them and the adjacent atoms. However, the
atoms and electrons are constantly vibrating due to thermal
energy, and if the metal is heated sufficiently, some
electrons may gain sufficient kinetic energy to overcome
the attractive forces of the atoms and escape.
As a consequence of these escaping electrons, an electron
?cloud?, or space charge, forms above the surface of
the heated metal cathode. Once this cloud reaches a certain
size, it will prevent other electrons attempting to
escape from the surface because like charges repel, and
an equilibrium is therefore reached.
Some metals have stronger forces binding their electrons
than others, so stripping an electron from their surface
requires more energy, and the cathode has to be
heated to a higher temperature:
Melting point of pure tungsten: 3410?C
Pure tungsten cathode (transmitter valves and lightbulbs): 2700?C
Thoriated tungsten cathode (small transmitter valves): 1700?C
Oxide coated cathode (receiving valves): 1000?C
As can be seen, the operating temperature is sufficiently
high that the cathode could literally burn, so the structure
of the valve is enclosed in glass and the air is evacuated.
We now introduce a positively charged plate, or anode,
into the enclosure. Electrons will be attracted from the
cloud, and will be accelerated through the vacuum to be
captured by the charged anode, and thus a current flows.
The cloud has now been depleted, and no longer repels
electrons quite so strongly, so more electrons escape from
the surface of the cathode to replenish it. Current flow is
unidirectional because only the positively charged anode
is able to attract electrons, and only the cathode can emit
electrons. We now have a rectifier, but it requires rather
more than 0.7 V to switch it on; typically 50 V is needed.
In order to control current flow, we interpose a grid or
mesh of wires between cathode and anode, resulting in a
structure with three electrodes known as a triode.
If the grid is negatively charged, then it will repel electrons,
and although there is a space charge above the cathode,
no electrons reach the positively charged anode
because they are unable to overcome the repulsion of the
grid. The grid to cathode voltage Vgk therefore controls
the number of electrons reaching the anode, or anode current
Ia.
Mains borne interference is not a thing to be taken lightly.
Spikes of 1 kv and above are a common (in some areas frequent)
occurrence and this can and does damage unprotected equipment.
In addition to all man-made interference, there is another source
which will always be beyond any kind of legal
regulation and control ? the weather.
Electric storms and even lightning strikes make their presence
felt through the mains.
Hello Starcruiser,
The CTGLabs TPU looks like the S.M. TPU. How do you know it is not functional? ???
:)
i was talking about an EEG and the frequency's in the human mind......
but i like the degausing explenation.
subsonic content
acousticians prefer ?infrasonic?
Below 40Hz, bass (from a more limited acoustic, but still infinite electronic repertoire
of instruments) becomes more tactile again, and by 16Hz (or some lower frequency
depending upon physiology), it is no longer audible through the ear, but
solely through bone conduction. This alters the way we hear, since sound is transmitted
much faster through solids (the earth, the floor, the feet, the skeleton) than
through the air. It is therefore possible for sub-bass signals to be ?felt? ahead of the
higher, audible components. This effect may be noticed in thunderstorms.
Ultrasonic content
High frequencies (hf, HF, treble) begin at around 5kHz.
While human conscious hearing stops around 20kHz, higher, ultrasonic frequencies
in music, up to at least 80kHz, can be perceived by the brain.
When frequencies in programme that are above 20kHz are
filtered out, sensitive listeners notice a lack of vitality. More recently, it has been
demonstrated ?objectively?, in the sense that specific neural activity and chemical
production has been measured, that the subliminal perception of the ultrasonic
sounds associated with music enhances pleasure.
Loudspeaker drive-unit basics
There are six main types of speaker drive-units or drivers used for quality audio
reproduction. Another name for a driver is a transducer, a reminder that they transduce
electric energy into acoustic energy, via mechanical energy.
First 3 use a common voice coil.
1.Cone drivers
2.Compression drivers
3.Soft and hard dome drivers
4.The ribbon driver
5.The electrostatic source
6.The piezo driver
Impedances
A speaker?s nominal impedance is commonly (and over-simplistically) described
by a single round figure, usually 15, 8 or 4 ohms for the majority of moving-coil
drive units. With ribbon drive units, or whenever several drive units are paralleled
to increase handling or coverage, lower impedances of 3, 2 or 1 ohms or even less
are the norm. With electrostatic and piezo (hf) drive-unit types, the load impedance
can be higher, but are also more or predominantly capacitative (like a capacitor)
across the audio range. This can be far more taxing to the amplifier.
A low impedance demands more current, and less signal voltage is needed for a
given current.
A high impedance requires more signal voltage, to be driven with a given current.
Quote from: tosky on March 02, 2007, 10:42:18 PM
Hello Starcruiser,
The CTGLabs TPU looks like the S.M. TPU. How do you know it is not functional? ???
Was his own statement and that of Marco
Please note that I do not mean any disrespect for either or to discredit the TPU but the posted video required clarification. I read and personally believe that CTGLabs was trying to revive the group(s) working on the TPU with a video albeit maybe his actions were misplaced and brought on some undesired repercussions.
I do not want this to disuade anyone from continuing their research in to the TPU, I for one have not stopped but have continued to research and experiement to find the answers since I beleive a device such as this is sorely needed in this day and age (as I beleive CTGLabs and others feels as well).
To find the answers to your questions and more I suggest that you (and others) read the TPU threads in their entirety and you will too find them.
As an additional note I am still interested in what the video claims (it is written in Italian) since i cannot read it. Can anyone translate it for us?
Also, I would like to say that my own experiements into making an operation TPU are still on going (as can be seen by my earlier posts). I will be posting more on those experiements as soon as I get more materials to build my next version.
I have been working on this project for well over a year myself and will continue to work on building my own working TPU. I have read, and will continue to read all posts in this (and other) forums to add to my knowledge, and I suggest all of you do the same. Note that in this world nothing comes easy and answers are found by hard work and looking for those answers. Everyone must contribute so we can make progress.
I also emplore all to share their knowledge and results with others so we can continue to make progress on this as well as other FE devices. Do not look for glory or fame, it will find you when the time comes.
Just my .02
I forgot to mention
My research has brought me to start reading more on the Searle generator now. I gained some interesting info relating to the possible operation of the TPU. It appears that Searle uses Neodynium magnets (the SM TPU does too) to create the electron avalanche required to make power. I ask myself "Is this the secret?" I suggest all read info relating to the Searle Generator, especially the new info now coming out, it may inspire you.
And a many thanks to one of my best teachers, Mr. Hall, for letting me borrow this phenominal device in the early 80s.
We put it on a deaf man who could play piano by touching the sound board. And for the the first time he could hear the fidelity of his own music. And that, my friends, is what experimentation is all about. It's all good.
A liitle candy from the past...
http://yourtech.typepad.com/main/2006/01/the_bone_fone_i.html (http://yourtech.typepad.com/main/2006/01/the_bone_fone_i.html)
Now...
http://www.equationlab.com/mtp/quantumblog/archives/2005/04/bone_fone_reviv.html (http://www.equationlab.com/mtp/quantumblog/archives/2005/04/bone_fone_reviv.html)
And the future?
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=440 (http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=440)
That means they can put MP3 players on dolphins now. Sheesh. Been done too.
--giantkiller. Geeks rule!
Hello Starcruiser,
If it is not a functional TPU. It must have a battery to power it for a short time. But SM did the same demonistration. I couldn't see any difference between them. If Marco is our buddy, he may tell us how to do it.
Quote from: starcruiser on March 03, 2007, 10:31:48 AM
I forgot to mention
My research has brought me to start reading more on the Searle generator now. I gained some interesting info relating to the possible operation of the TPU. It appears that Searle uses Neodynium magnets (the SM TPU does too) to create the electron avalanche required to make power. I ask myself "Is this the secret?" I suggest all read info relating to the Searle Generator, especially the new info now coming out, it may inspire you.
Did I wake up late? I don't see any input power to the Searle disk. Is it hidden?
And like the Bedini motor is appears to be a mechanical version of the rotating mag field. I have to watch http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/350/1/The-Technology-of-John-Searl-for-Broadband/Page1.html (http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/350/1/The-Technology-of-John-Searl-for-Broadband/Page1.html) the video at this site.
http://WWW.SEARLEFFECT.COM (http://www.searleffect.com)
And has anybody done a paid membership here?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: tosky on March 03, 2007, 12:11:39 PM
Hello Starcruiser,
If it is not a functional TPU. It must have a battery to power it for a short time. But SM did the same demonistration. I couldn't see any difference between them. If Marco is our buddy, he may tell us how to do it.
CTGlabs used one of those magic bulbs from what was said. D will have to comment for anymore info.
I suggest not to get caught up on this video but do your own replications and experiments.
@GK
Hit their new site (Searle) for the construction of the new Searle replication of their SEG. They are still being quite about all the specifics but they do mention the use of Neo's for their magnets.
On their full replication there is no external input except for a push to get it going from what they state.
I found it interesting that the Neo's are a required component (Rare Earth magnetic materials). So I ask myself what is in the Neo's that provides the SEG its power generating (Electron) source? Does it provide the gateway to the Aether?
Also why does SM use Neo's in his smaller units? Humm...
Just some more thoughts to ponder.
All of those others that have OU devices seem to be circling the same concepts and designs (in some cases). We just need to figure out what exactly right?
More to ponder like I said.
BTW, Should have my large spools of magnet wire early next week so I can construct my next TPU, got 28ga and 34ga spools coming. I figure I will need about 800 to 1000' ft of 34ga for the control coil (roughly 60 ohms) and maybe 400' for the trigger (same resistance, this is the first incarnation of the trigger coil) and maybe 30' for each collector x 2. Total weight should be in the 1 ~ 2 lb area for a 6' TPU. I figure a 2:1 winding ratio.
We shall see what this provides. Now to work on the winding jig this weekend (off to home depot for materials).
Quote from: starcruiser on March 03, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
CTGlabs used one of those magic bulbs from what was said. D will have to comment for anymore info.
I agree with you that there is fraud involved.
If you notice the light it won't even light up the work area below the bulb.
This implies that the lux output of the bulb is VERY LOW.
==> possible fraud!
http://www.sonoluminescence.com/ (http://www.sonoluminescence.com/)
I want you all to go see the wavefrom on the front page. Look familiar?
And
John Hutchison is close to this with his 2 frequencies. He disturbs matter on a grander scale.
This is where I got it from.
http://www.klove.com/news/ (http://www.klove.com/news/) Science Student Connects Creation To God's Voice
--giantkiller.
These are the pages I found most relevant to the current addition to my armory after I fried the first gun. It was only the c2334-y tranny that went out. I am replacing it with a TIP3055.
http://www.analogzone.com/col_10302003.pdf (http://www.analogzone.com/col_10302003.pdf)
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-inside.jpg (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-inside.jpg)
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-standard.gif (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-standard.gif)
http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm (http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm)
http://www.electro-tech-online.com/images/projects/stun_gun.gif (http://www.electro-tech-online.com/images/projects/stun_gun.gif)
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/StunGuns/dazer.htm (http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/StunGuns/dazer.htm)
The stungun is a radiant energy transmitter and produces the same effect as a Tesla coil. The gun has an internal spark gap in its first stage. The electrodes are the final large spark gap.
Just thought some would like to know.
Tonight, after it gets dark, woohahahah(creepy laugh), I will pulse the big ring. I hope to make the Lunar eclipse reverse. Who knows? The first time I got TPU kicks a rocket fell out of the sky over my city. :D
--giantkiller.
Anyone seen this ?
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220020125774%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20020125774&RS=DN/20020125774
Yup
Hi Carl,
referring to the video I do confirm that the guy is just 'promoting' the TPU. He just says that it's good to solve the world energy crisis and things like that. He doesn't say that he has made the thing (we all know that's coming from CTGlabs-demo), just ask to everyone if anybody know where to find the TPU.
For my side I've just completed an exaustive number of tests on a special ring with bifilar Control Coils (Otto connected) and pulsing them in phase and in contro-phase.
Results are interesting but don't have obtained Full lamp light. Later I'll post.
ronotte
@Ronotte,
The more I "Play"with the TPU replication the more I believe the TPU has a operating window we must find. Thus we must continue to experiment to solve for the variables to obtain the prize. We are all getting closer to figuring this thing out.
@Carl,
I forgot to say that with only one 'copper' ring I obtained more output than that got from any 3 ring setup. Are we really sure that we need 3 rings?
Take also in account that I got clean big pulses without any background noise , just rather wide pulses!......but it's not enought.....this with contro-phse pulsing and special output arrangement (it makes also a difference!).
ronotte
i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)
regards
Norbert
Ronotte,
We are not sure how many collector rings are required, we may only need one or two, my next TPU will have 3 16AWG stranded collectors but I am thining the collectors are put in series for a voltage increase or in parallel for a current increase. My next tests will examine this theory as well as few others.
My new TPU will have 5 "rings" or coils,
3 collectors 16AWG @ 24 turns
2 Exciters (control), these will be wound with 34ga magnet wire each coil will be at least 60 ohms
1 feedback, this will be 28ga magnet wire and this one will be at least 40 ohms. I am not sure if I require this much wire on this and will play a bit with this.
I am contructing my new TPU using horizontally wound coils on a frame that allows me to add or remove coils as needed. My first setup will have all coils layered from the top down as follows;
Collector
Exciter
Collector
Feedback
Exciter
Collector
I will use a neo magnet as the focusing element near the feedback and exciter coils using a 9vdc battery as the power source. This is using that circuit I posted earlier. The magnet actually helps focus the field and keeps the feedback going.
This design will allow sharp pulses to induce RE in the exciter coils and allow the collectors to collect the energy.
If you would like to see what the waveform looks like from this circuit take a few and build it, should only take about 15 minutes to breadboard it if you have the parts on hand.
Connect this up to your present TPU and see what it does for you. You may be surprised. The circuit will allow the coils to reach their own resonance and will create the sharp pulses for you without worrying about oscillator stability.
Quote from: rensseak on March 06, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)
regards
Norbert
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Quote from: starcruiser on March 06, 2007, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: rensseak on March 06, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)
regards
Norbert
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http://freenet-homepage.de/rensseak/genesis-projekt/a.html (http://freenet-homepage.de/rensseak/genesis-projekt/a.html)
Rare interview with Tom Bearden on the forgotten work of Nikola Tesla
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423&q=bearden&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423&q=bearden&hl=en)
Tnx Rosphere.
Sounds like the dual transmitter bias is a TPU operation.
--giantkiller.
.
3 segments 3 frequencys and DC on the collector.
Quote from: starcruiser on March 06, 2007, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: rensseak on March 06, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)
regards
Norbert
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I am still here! I wish I had this info when I was more active on the TPU.
@AhuraMazda,
You know you can never leave, don't you?
--giantkiller
Quote from: giantkiller on March 08, 2007, 10:12:07 PM
@AhuraMazda,
You know you can never leave, don't you?
--giantkiller
Gk is right, You can check OUt anytime you like but you can never leave
Quote from: Sauron on March 07, 2007, 06:37:55 PM
3 segments 3 frequencys and DC on the collector.
This is my direction for this weekend.
On my GK4 I will sequentially wire the 4 segments per each collector into 1 segment per each collector. And into each of these 3 segment/collector layers I will put in a different frequency. I will apply a dc voltage to all collectors, in series or parallel. I will try both.
I have my 1st stungun repaired. Overdrove the base of the oscillator tranny with a greater voltage than the base-emitter bias could handle. The tranny is a c2334-y high speed epitaxial with a +5v bias. I stunned the stungun. Revenge is sweet.
--giantkiller.
be sure to also drive a pulsed DC.....
"Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate"
"Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things suddenly change?"
Try two frequency's which create a beat frequency, and this beat frequency creates another beat frequency when combined with the frequency of the collector.
Good luck.
One RING! One LORD!!
Looks like your playing a bipolar game with a monopole. Have fun with that. ::)
Just catching up on some tests.
Ran a stun gun into the collectors of GK4. Lo and behold when I grab the coil I felt the same thing as that fateful day when I got kicks for the first time back on January-13-2007. Same shocking feeling Tesla said he experienced.
It is a good day to fry! And the coil is cold.
Another day and I am pleased. On to the next experiment. I am trying to make an obedient woman that doesn't talk. TPUs are probably easier, eh?
--giantkiller. One small step for the TPU builders. One great step for mankind.
GK. on your next experiment you are no doubt going to fail. ;)
Sauron may be right,
Perhaps sending pulses into the collector that is immersed in a high speed field would be an interesting experiment.
I am still building tube sections with hartley oscillators as the source and two phase output ,keeping distortion to a minimum..02 % at 1w .3 % at 5w..but it is not ss phase distortion..it think that we have been told , is important.
It takes a very long time ratting old equipment etc.
Gk, i wonder if the field stunned your gun..i found that when anything interesting happens my ss failed in one way or another...
we can never leave .. not now..not ever.
The spinning magnet crowd have created is an interesting read...I wish them well but my experience prevents me from engaging there.
marco has posted some interesting tests and some great graphics on dave's site
For the last 3 weeks of spare time I have not even hooked up a coil...just building the test tube rack..getting closer...no shortcuts will be taken.
my setup
6bq7 hartley oscillator 12au7 driver/phase splitter 6as7g output in cathode follower config...no feedback!
Clean and stable sine... and 3 octave range from each hartley coil using capacitance.
good hunting to all
Yes, these are surely guy things and not for chatting about at the pub.
This really is keeping me off the streets!
back to my cave
Lindsay Mannix
This is the final answer.
This TPU stage is transmitting to cause ringing in the aether. That is what the current posts are pointing at and what Tesla was talking about. It still fits in with the audio feedback posts I did. We want to use the earth's field in the feedback loop in phase to cause return energy to cause oscillations(Remember the audio receptions in the movie 'Contact'? Phwoomph, Phwoomph, Phwoomph). This is what all SM's TPUs did. Sound waves, magnetic waves, radiant energy, kicks it's all the same just different parts of the spectrum.
Remember the dancing magnets that Turbo showed? That showed if you send 7.8hz into space the resonance of a magnetic material is excited. If you look at the 2 dancing magnets as control coils and the collectors as the 7.8hz input frequency one can see how to get the ringing feedback. The control coils don't move but the fields do. These then cut across the feedback coils. 2 frequencies, 7.8hz and the control coil freq. This is just a subset of the Hutchison effect.
The brain is the engine for the mind.
The mind is the visualization for the journey.
And the journey is where we create reality.
--giantkiller. I am just very glad I am not doing this alone.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1656362.ece
I say 'Bad flyback design'.
I guess even the TVs are repulsed by what is on them. We could be heading for TV Armageddon! Total TV meltdown? Gives MADtv a whole new meaning. Looks like peace at last.
--giantkiller. Can you feel the vortex here? What's the sucking sound?
:)
Hello Everyone,
Just thought I would drop in and give an update on my progress. I am currently gathering parts to make my three-channel tube amplifier for my TPU tests. I've been doing some reading on tube technology and searching for the simplest possible tube amplifier and power supply circuit. For the power stage, I'll be using 6au6 tubes and *maybe* 6K6 diode tubes for my power supply (yep I'm making that from scratch too).
Since it is obvious by now that we need a very stable frequency source, I have been doing a lot of thinking about the simplest possible way to make and control frequencies. My original thought was to go with a microcontroller approach but I'm not ready to invest the necessary time in building and programming one yet. So for the mean time, I bought three cheap function generators ($45 kits assembled), which have a range of up to 1MHz that I can use to do some manual tweaking with. I figured that I could simply run a looong coax cable from the function generators to the tube amp (which would be close to my coil) to run it from a save distance without interference from hash.
A second approach would be to use a sound card for the function generator and simply program it to do whatever frequency sweeps I want. That would work well but then, in that case, I am limited to a maximum frequency of 48 kHz. However, it would still be a cheap alternative to the micro controller approach. I am also looking into making an anaolog ocsillator to control the circuit though this will be my last approach since I already have the function generators on hand.
I am in the process now of getting some tubes from eBay (by the way, the 6au6s are dirt cheap!), and I need to scrounge up a suitable transformer for the power supply. The tube approach really isn't all that horrible as long as you can find a simple circuit to build off of. Of course, I'll hold my tongue until I get it working!
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
another tuber...great!
Welcome to electron clouds and particle accelerators.
And the recreation of the early experimental TPU history.
When you get a power source and are setup, make a standard "hartley oscillator" with only one triode section.
You will need to find a bobbin but they are available as small smps units usually about 25 mm in diamater ,about 30 then 90 turns will give you a good result.
You can switch between coils and change capacitance...3 otcaves is what I have ..it will depend on the circuit.
Try it and see how absolutley clean and stable it is.
You will be surprised and pleased....no dirt .. ( phase distortion)
Each stage of mine uses 5 triode sections.(3 tubes)..then the 6as7 out put, total of seven
oscillator 1 phase splitter 2 drivers 2 ..one unused...as yet.
they are all hi mu tubes 12au7 6bq7 ..small adjustments depending on the tube...many are suitable...use what you have around.
And avoid using feed back to minimise distortion. Thats the hard part.
"Triodes create less distortion"
My biggest problem has been getting the 7.5 amps heater current for the 6as7's....not to mention that they want only 160 volts.
so 2 supplies will be needed unless you use other than 6as7..Im going with those because they come well recommended.
Lots of 1 meg resistors and lots of .1 and .01 600v caps.
use a ss bridge,200 cap,series 5ar4,or similar another 200 cap... pretty smooth dc! That was well recommended too
good parts hunting!
Lindsay
And my update is:
I have 3 collectors stacked. Each collector has 1 segment controller, all 4 of each layer in series.
I run a frequency through the collectors and a 2nd frequency thru the control coils, all layers in parallel. There are no feedbacks connected. They are just there in the coil.
Results:
I can burn up trannys. I now get kicks no matter what frequency range I use. And the kicks eminate from the coil. You can physically feel and hear them. No tones coming from the coil.
It is a stun gun without the spark gap. The physical feelings are not as experienced as a stun gun, but they are there.
I now am going to try different jumpering. I don't think I have to though. I have the very basic and simplest wiring configuration. I am going to work on the feedback to cause a ramp up for power. All of SM's TPUs do 'ramp up'. I am going to place a spark gap between the configuration I have now and the addition of the feedbacks. Of course I'll experiment with frequency combinations.
The effort has been to try to get power out. I'd be a fool to enter a skateboard into the Indy 500 or expect to throw a Frisbee to the Moon. Get the circuit to ramp up and let the power come from where it is instead of trying to generate it.
--giantkiller. It already exists.
Hi Lindsay,
Thanks for the suggestions on the components. Didn't Mr. Mark say not to use any SS stuff in the circuit since the TPU would interfere with it? Are you sure there won't be any problems with using a SS rectifier rather than a tube rectifier? If true, then I'll be happy to avoid the extra work with the diode tube.
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
the ss bridge is effectively isolated by having an electron cloud in series with it.. My thoughts were the same at the time also.
Experience has shown that the adverse effects are on sources,out puts and, my frequency meter !.... blinded by the light?
For some, tubes seem a step backward but as soon as you see how stable the platform is you will go....oh that must be why he said tubes..so long ago.
I shared this reluctance for many months.
Lindsay
I know it's fun to build but wouldn't an old tube sine wave generator serve the purpose?
I found an old Heathkit model IG-82 on eBay for about $30.00.
I've attached the schematic if anyone is interested.
GK said:
And my update is:
I have 3 collectors stacked. Each collector has 1 segment controller, all 4 of each layer in series.
I run a frequency through the collectors and a 2nd frequency thru the control coils, all layers in parallel. There are no feedbacks connected. They are just there in the coil.
Results:
I can burn up trannys. I now get kicks no matter what frequency range I use. And the kicks eminate from the coil. You can physically feel and hear them. No tones coming from the coil.
It is a stun gun without the spark gap. The physical feelings are not as experienced as a stun gun, but they are there.
I now am going to try different jumpering. I don't think I have to though. I have the very basic and simplest wiring configuration. I am going to work on the feedback to cause a ramp up for power. All of SM's TPUs do 'ramp up'. I am going to place a spark gap between the configuration I have now and the addition of the feedbacks. Of course I'll experiment with frequency combinations.
The effort has been to try to get power out. I'd be a fool to enter a skateboard into the Indy 500 or expect to throw a Frisbee to the Moon. Get the circuit to ramp up and let the power come from where it is instead of trying to generate it.
--giantkiller. It already exists.
=============================================================
Thank you for sharing your new circuit GK. Are you using copper or Garden Wire? How many turns on each coil?
Thank you.
.
@Fatbird,
I apologize for the lack of info and I hope enough people see this. I am using my sequence controller / driver with GK4. Same ol', same ol'. Lords of the ring page1 post 2. I know what I have is close because it is a totaly open configuration. Build once, use many.
Let me re-iterate! I cannot avoid or get away from the kicks now. Man, is that a proud statement? Imagine that?
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator' he replied. I placed GK4 in his hands and I just looked at him and then you should have seen him light up! The rest is history. I am doing other tasks to get this known. I pick my victims well.
--giantkiller. It is a good day to rock!
If I had wanted to take the other pill I wouldn't have gone down this rabbit hole so far.
:)
Quote from: MrMag on March 13, 2007, 06:30:40 PM
I know it's fun to build but wouldn't an old tube sine wave generator serve the purpose?
I found an old Heathkit model IG-82 on eBay for about $30.00.
I've attached the schematic if anyone is interested.
Good one, fat bird,
now you will need two more..
That the problem I had...that's why I built them..
The circuit you provided is a wein bridge type..the best but a lot to build I hope that you can find 3..I wish you the best skill and luck.
Steven started with 3 old tube generators ..driving tube amps.
Lindsay
ps
GK, we may look back soon and wonder why we could not see it ...
Hello all,
if youre interested in such a shematic google: tesla coil with transistors and you will have a lot of informations.
Otto
When I connected the GK4 control coils across a stun gun there was the blue lightning jumping from layer to layer around the ring. Totally Outer Limits! I am going to turn the lights out next experiment. It' alive & kickin'! And when I grabbed the ring I thought I had apprehended myself!
I think I should start a franchise called 'McCoil'. Billions burned.
--giantkiller. If only my neighbors knew there was a trillionare next door?
:)
Trillionare: Their debt value.
--giantkiller.
:)
Hi Joe,
Is that power measurement the amount of power your transistors are running into the TPU or the amount of output power you are getting from your TPU?
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi all,
I wanted this link in this thread for prosperity sake.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2083.msg25412.html#msg25412
--giantkiller. :'(
:)
Quote from: joe dirt on March 15, 2007, 09:26:34 PM
Hello all
@ G.K. you knew this person? being that i,m new here I didn,t know them,
man that,s sad, were they on to something? were they in the states?
I,m wondering how dangerous this work is and if someone would goto
such extreemes to keep it "silent" then I,m betting "overunity" is not
as difficult as it seems, simple to replicate once the "djinn is out of
the bottle".
Man if that,s true... It just burns me up... trying to put a "cap on real
knowledge", for what, really, WHAT! Theyre ego, cause they want to
administrate the world? They,ve done a bangup job so far >:(
psshhhh!
I did not know him personally. But have read his works. He wanted the greater things like the rest of us in the Overunity clubs. Because that is where the future is. All my stuff is public along with alot of the others. I hope and pray that keeps the rest of safe.
I'll bring you up to speed:
Eugene Mallove
Paul E. Brown
Esa Maunu
If you want a real shocker then google '100 dead scientists'. The number is greater now. And you're right on. It is that simple. Tricky, but simple. Something new will happen here by the 15th of April. We don't have martyrs, just affirmations.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ecbebe91a88ee6dfabf4c76186f5a5c&topic=1194.msg9326#msg9326
Sorry you had to come to the realization the hard way. This is serious biz! No one person can make a profit off this. He would have to expose himself up against the monster that has been on the loose for centuries. And that means certain death.
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 15, 2007, 07:04:41 PM
Hi all,
I wanted this link in this thread for prosperity sake.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2083.msg25412.html#msg25412
--giantkiller. :'(
In reference to Esa:
""The discussions with Esa Maunu stimulated the ideas leading to the recent model of the Searle effect based on Faraday effect."
is found in this paper:
About Strange Effects Related to Rotating Magnetic Systems
by M. Pitkanen, University of Helsinki, Finland
http://www.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/faraday.pdf
GOOD INFO in this paper.
Kent
:)
Hello all,
GK,
dont worry, we all ARE on a list. "They" know all about us.
Otto
:)
Quote from: joe dirt on March 17, 2007, 12:18:18 AM
hello all
Now that I got some sleep, I can think a little clearer 8)
I am using 1 ring for now (haven,t had time to make the bottom one yet)
I,m using the same winding pattern as G.K.,s, but the the field isn,t a
rotating one (pretty sure) here it goes, one transistor kicks on and it,s set
to create a counterclockwise field with two of the windings, straight across
from each other, this field rises and induces an "on pulse" that goes to the
other transistor base (you will have to play with the polarity to get it right)
This transistor is connected to the other two windings to create a clockwise
field rotation, the two fields "smack together" and create odd effects. It seems
the system is self adjusting as there is a sound that varies over time.
Now if I hook a top and bottom ring in series, kind of like -_-_-_ where the bottom
ring windings is in the gap between the top windings I would bet one could get
a d.c. output in the cover windings (the ones that cover the whole unit).
In one of the videos S.M. spoke about when two frequencies smacked together,
perhaps this is what he was doing 8)
dirt
P.S. it seems I might of had a visitor lastnight, I was fast asleep but my neighbor
came over today and asked if heard those "planes or helicopters" lastnight.
I don,t live in a city, just a small town in the "sticks" so low flying craft is
not the norm... oh well, perhaps the fun has begun 8)
Great results. And yes you play with it after you get kicks and the follow on effects are cool.
In regards to the aircraft, accept everything. The first morning I pulsed GK4 a rocket fell out of the sky over my city an hour later. Odd? Yes. Coincedance? Who knows. But I will always remember that. And what are the chances of that? Come on!
--giantkiller. We are entering into a strange energy realm.
hello thought I'd say I'm enjoying seeing all the researchers moving along with there experiments . I'll be posting soon some of my work .. just have fun and don't worry about things we all have a need to protect each other if the need arises we can help each other in living quarters if things get to tough
the small blue coil is my idea of the triode tube , the copper coil is a boost collector 8 agw wire inserted in 3/8 copper tubing . the large white coil is a hollow core air tube made out of aluminum . I'm working on my . what i call my Tesla transistor . It is a commutator out of a DC motor that is powered by another motor this is my variable switch that will allow me to very the speed of switching and will be able to use the bread board attached to very electronic parts in the circuit.
As a long-time lurker I just wanted to thank everyone working on this project. In addition, here is some interesting information on a toroidal generator that may be relevant. It uses an iron core, a surrounding thermopile and has been tested successfully. Interestingly, the technology never came to market.
"Key Experimental Results
Laboratory tests on the generator have achieved densities up to
120,000 ampshn.?, which have been verified independently. Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved. Engineering studies performed at the Pulse Power Directorate at Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey tested energy densities for specific applications ranging from high-speed train suspension, biomolecular separation, automotive electric power supplies, and ship propulsion. Selected performance data developed with varioussized laboratory models are summarized in the table below."
Please see files attached.
@motorcoach1,
I had been drooling at the hardware store over fat copper like you got. Cool! We all have to follow our own 1 design. Thanks for doing that one! If you set off a 50/50 mix of black powder and iron filings pellet in the center youv'e created an EMP generator. Some specs on the web are 4"diam @ 4ft long is enough to stop a car @ 20ft and effect computers in nearby buildings. My little stungun experiment knocked out my cablebox, router, and workstation. And in the middle of tax season. Jeez what was I thinking of?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: simonmagus on March 17, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
As a long-time lurker I just wanted to thank everyone working on this project. In addition, here is some interesting information on a toroidal generator that may be relevant. It uses an iron core, a surrounding thermopile and has been tested successfully. Interestingly, the technology never came to market.
"Key Experimental Results
Laboratory tests on the generator have achieved densities up to
120,000 ampshn.ââ,¬â,,¢, which have been verified independently. Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved. Engineering studies performed at the Pulse Power Directorate at Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey tested energy densities for specific applications ranging from high-speed train suspension, biomolecular separation, automotive electric power supplies, and ship propulsion. Selected performance data developed with varioussized laboratory models are summarized in the table below."
Please see files attached.
Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.
Thanks fpr posting it. Moab
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Quote from: giantkiller on March 13, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator' he replied.
dude! this is great stuff. I hope people didn't miss this post.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 18, 2007, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on March 13, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator' he replied.
dude! this is great stuff. I hope people didn't miss this post.
I have been posting all the clues and crypticities I can find. And here is the latest.
Joe dirt posted this Steven Mark video and I go watch it again for the umpteenth time. Lo and behold another 'Incoming' clue. And very well placed by Steven Mark, the greatest puzzle master on the planet. (Please SM, take a bow ;) )
Here is the vid and in this shot we see both his hands grabbing the SM15. This shot is from the segment where SM is using a pair of wire nippers to cut the control electronics from inside the ring. Nipper is in the background.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en)
Attached is the 'Clue for the day'.
http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11
http://www.tvacres.com/adanimals_nipperrca.htm
--giantkiller. "His Master's Voice"
something i found on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.ca/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ250095087739QQcategoryZ3240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
somekind of ring stuffs!
Quote from: Moab on March 17, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.
The generators by The Trymer Co. and SM are differently designed BUT they share three interesting features.
(1)They are toroidal in shape, (2)a magnetic field applied to each coil junction, and (3)frequency(s) are used. The frequency for SM's device is secret but Trymer's method is publicly disclosed in the paper. SM's device has 4 coil junctions tapped instead of 3(Trymer's device).
It looks like they are both using the Hall Effect in order to produce extra power.
After reviewing Steve's videos I am convinced the Hall Effect is at the heart of his generator. My claim corresponds with his statements, videos and these various sources.
SIMILAR OUTPUT
"We have made larger devices which put out an average of 20 amps of current at 1000 volts. These devices could easily power large industries and third world nations, aircraft without the use of fossile fuels The basic point to all of this is it is a new technology It is not a battery collecting energy from outer space. The technology utilised in this is very simple ____(censored)_____ receiving ____(censored)_____ new _____(censored)______ old engineering philosophies, nothing magic..."
Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373&q=steven+mark&hl=en#0h34m28s
"Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved." - The Trymer Co.(Compiled by Pacific Northwest Laboratory for the U.S. Department of Energy,)
Source: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14377.pdf
INTERESTING TIMELINES
"Though these five videos were posted to Google Video in 2006, they all appear to have been produced in a similar time period. Some show a date: 1997. Video two, listed first, is the best and longest presentation of the technology."
Source: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
"The 5-kW rural generator is expected to be completed in 1995" - The Trymer Co.
Source: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14377.pdf
The Trymer Co., was awarded NSF Grant No. 9561696; Amount: $75,000 in 1997 (had 11 Employees).
Source: http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1997/nsf97151/phase1b.htm#t20.140
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Quote from: joe dirt on March 18, 2007, 05:25:35 PM
@simonmagus When I first watched that video it was coming up to that part, my
heart started racing, the anticipation was building, just about to
learn the heart of the matter... then... zip...
Even if Steve's device was a scam(I doubt it), the Trymer $500 generator had huge potential for "free" electricity. They knew their invention worked based on independent tests and were ready for production. Something stopped the technology from going to market. Here is the last entry I could find on Trymer Co.:
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PAGE 192
PRIME CONTRACT AWARDS OVER $25,000
BY WEAPON SYSTEM, CONTRACTOR AND WORK PERFORMED
FISCAL YEAR 1996
TRYMER COMPANY (INC) Texas AC23 RDTE/Missile and Space Systems-Advanced De
Source: http://www.fas.org/man/contract/fy96/96_bmd_a.htm
Go figure. What kind of influence can motivate someone to keep these discoveries a secret? Hopefully someone will crack the problem and distribute the information freely. We are long overdue for another technological revolution.
:)
Quote from: TheOne on March 18, 2007, 10:20:39 AM
something i found on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.ca/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ250095087739QQcategoryZ3240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
somekind of ring stuffs!
There is already a thread about this here called "FREE ENERGY DEVICE from Ebay???"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.0.html
Quote from: simonmagus on March 18, 2007, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: Moab on March 17, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.
The generators by The Trymer Co. and SM are differently designed BUT they share three interesting features.
(1)They are toroidal in shape, (2)a magnetic field applied to each coil junction, and (3)frequency(s) are used. The frequency for SM's device is secret but Trymer's method is publicly disclosed in the paper. SM's device has 4 coil junctions tapped instead of 3(Trymer's device).
It looks like they are both using the Hall Effect in order to produce extra power.
'Hall effect' can also be the sound effect applied in Audio processing techniques.
And in memory of those who have gone before:
"I believe that to have a friend,
a man must be one.
That all men are created equal
and that everyone has within himself
the power to make this a better world.
That God put the firewood there
but that every man
must gather and light it himself.
In being prepared
physically, mentally, and morally
to fight when necessary
for that which is right.
That a man should make the most
of what equipment he has.
That 'This government,
of the people, by the people
and for the people'
shall live always.
That men should live by
the rule of what is best
for the greatest number.
That sooner or later...
somewhere...somehow...
we must settle with the world
and make payment for what we have taken.
That all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever. In my Creator, my country, my fellow man."
--giantkiller. The Tone Ranger rides again.
:)
And there's the wind up....
" If ever we can ascertain at what period the earth's charge, when disturbed, oscillates, . . .
we shall know a fact possibly of the greatest importance to the welfare of the human race. "
? Nikola Tesla, 1893
The pitch is thrown...
" The present is theirs; the future, for which I really work, is mine. "
? Nikola Tesla
The batter swings...
http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/pc_wave.htm
--giantkiller.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
this is my first post in this thred and i would like to mention that my computer has been hacked recantly but only since i have started working on this project it has crashed nermous times and the more i dig in to this the more it seams to act up so just thought that i would let you all know i am a computer guy and this that i am seeing should not happin but as you all know that there was a big sercuity porb with windoze and that would allow eatrnal access to any computer and i am now wondering if microsoft has some kind of agreement with the upper powers to access to who evers computer they wish i beleave this is so more than true
but any how this will not stop my quest for free energy
william
use Linux. www.xubuntu.com
Quote from: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
this is my first post in this thred and i would like to mention that my computer has been hacked recantly but only since i have started working on this project it has crashed nermous times and the more i dig in to this the more it seams to act up so just thought that i would let you all know i am a computer guy and this that i am seeing should not happin but as you all know that there was a big sercuity porb with windoze and that would allow eatrnal access to any computer and i am now wondering if microsoft has some kind of agreement with the upper powers to access to who evers computer they wish i beleave this is so more than true
but any how this will not stop my quest for free energy
william
pure bullshit man, you prob have a virus or installed a spyware
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 04:27:24 PM
the one i have no use for any of your comments your past posts have proved you to be a close minded fool!
as a coder i can tell you MS don't care about free energy, if you computer do crazy stuff, just repair it! This kind of issues is related to virus or freeware/spyware, no free energy conspiracy or crazy stuff like that, you prob listen to much tv!
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Thank you Joe for sharing your Results Posting & Photo.
Could you please post a schematic for your setup.
Thank you sir.
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Reproduce this!
This closely resembles the bucking coil jumpering.
For those of you that have coils already, they are similar besides the wire and turn specs, just fire it up. The collectors are only used for output. They are not connected to the input side of the circuit. Be careful of the voltage and sparks.
And by all means put things in the center. It moves magnets, water, it heats steel, vibrates, jerks motors, it goes bump in the night.
Any volume of copper and diameter seem to work. It do 7.8hz!
Vary the hall effect distance to tune. If anyone can replace the halls with something else then by all means go ahead.
Control coils: 72 turn each 32"(?) 4"
26 gauge phone wire
yes 1. Assume first wires to go on cylinder ring form? 1" length of PVC pipe. Makes easy winding. Wind it on (bunched up is fine. doesn't have to lay flat) then cut pipe to length.
yes 2. Typo: should be 32'4", (32 feet 4 inches,) not 32"4", right?
yes 3. Phone cord; you mean the four-wire stuff?
No feedback coil in circuit yet. That could be the way to alleviate the Hall effect tranny.
Collector Coil (secondary) 70 turns, 51'
3(?) gauge mag-wire
No 1. Final wrap over four control coils? No final or feedback.
yes 2. Typo: we mean 30 gauge mag-wire, right?
yes 3. Wrap in RHR fashion, going clockwise around? This matches the original GK4 spec.
yes 4. (Forgot to ask same question for Step Two,) RHR-clockwise direction for control coils as well; ugh,... may I wrap all winds in the same sense?
If you already have a 4 segment wired just try this. If it is not right then wind a new one.
I am winding the GK4 twin. I want 2.
This site only allows 5 personal messages in 1 hour.
@joe dirt,
you feel like upgrading your GK43 pic?
I am but a mere messenger for the cause.
Sorry guys. No time for the bull-shit. Just 'Git 'r' dun!'.
--giantkiller. Glad to be of service.
Hi Ya JD:
Did your circ but added one more pair to make three. Due to the low resistance I started it out on 3v and it puts out 30. Oscilations are running around 1.7 mhz on mine. Its very interesting but amp hungry. Easily tries for one amp at 7.5v. Will be messing with it more as I get the time. 4 work days ahead and I get little time in between to do anything but work,eat and sleep. Good design. Mine started to osc as I wired up the last trigger wire to the center of the two resistors. They go no where right now and it still goes. That may mean a bad tranny but will see. Going to hook up a diode and cap on the outside coil and join it back into the power to see if it will leach on its self. More to come.
sugra
I conducted a patent search on Applied Materials Inc (patent assignee of Steve's device) and came across thousands of patents. After filtering with keywords there was one that stuck out of all the results.
Can someone here be kind enough to take a look and find any insight? Some users here have reported success with 3 frequencies. The T.P.U controller/methods might be disclosed in this patent's descriptions.
Use of variable RF generator to control coil voltage distribution #6,345,588
"an RF generator coupled to said impedance matching circuit, said generator generating an RF signal having a cyclically variable frequency which shifts between at least three frequencies in each cycle for time-averaging voltage distributions along said coil. "
Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=32&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&p=1&S1=((%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22.ASNM.)+AND+RF.TI.)&OS=AN/%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22+AND+TTL/RF&RS=(AN/%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22+AND+TTL/RF)
Full patent is attached.
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Let's get down to brass tacks here,
If anybody can go down to the local Radio shack, buy $20.00usd worth of legal items and 1) create energy or 2) blow themselves up, why should a piece of paper stop anyone? I could just as easily put a 50/50 mix of bleach & ammonia in a microwave and wreak havoc with the E.P.A. But there are warnings on the bottle!
--giantkiller. Nothing or nobody is in my way. Noise.
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This is a very valid test and does directly relate to the TPU endeavors.
There are only 2 types of circuit configurations. The 1 wire and the kick feedback. The later is just an added stage to the previous.
Thanks,
--giantkiller.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 01:44:58 PM
just letting everyone know that my comp probs have only gotten worse i am only able to post 1 realy quic b4 my comp goes crazy i have onle 1 explanation for this it that someone is watching my every word when i post i beleave someone is try ing verry hard to block my ip addy or counter ping the packets that my comp is sending so it is hard for me to stay on line what happins to my comp is it freazes verry fast and does not do anything at all i have to unplug it form the wall reconfig my biaos and boot back up then i can managg to post agin i spent 4 hours going through my entire comp thinking it is a prob hear at my house but it in fact is not
has anyone else had any similar probs? it only seams to act up hear at overunity.com
supression i guess
william
o yea i could only get my volts as low as .27 in my test but i think if i can get it to 0 then i will have a lot of power as in output but i think i will need a simple 2 way flasher to achive 0 volts when coil is powered but even at .27 i get back 5.25 volts and it last for about 5 seconds or so that is an increase of .20 volts from what i started from
please post results to the test if you have tried it to confirm my findings
Something you can try even if you don't beleive me is:
Install spybot, adaware, run it, i'm sure that will help
Give it a try, this soft are free and remove a lot of crap from a computer, i usually run both of this soft each month to be sure i don't have crap on my computer...
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ (http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/)
This saved my laptop last year. It is a complete pc cleaning solution.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 04:27:24 PM
the one i have no use for any of your comments your past posts have proved you to be a close minded fool!
Quote from: innovation_station on March 12, 2007, 06:37:28 PM
it will work for the tpu
Quote from: innovation_station on March 14, 2007, 10:08:19 AM
im getting closer i know
Quote from: innovation_station on March 17, 2007, 01:31:46 PM
im sure this it it
Quote from: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 01:16:49 PM
im sur that this is part of the control circuit
Men, make up your mind
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@GK,
IS that circuit you posted using left hand windings? Also, any real output on the collector other than reduced sinewaves?
I will give this a try on one of my other TPU's later today, not sure if I have the Hall sensors though. Maybe I can wrap a small coil for feedback and use that to trigger a trany..... Have you given this a try yet? It sounds like you did, just curious as to your results.
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Thinking more about the circuit, it appears this stores up a charge in the CAP using a one wire approach and then discharges the CAP using the Hall when the field grows large enough to trigger it. Humm, similar to my idea I am working on..... we all seem to be circling the wagons here.....
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Still working on my other idea, had to go and get a drill press, adding to the shop it seems in order to build jigs.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
i am having a verry hard time staying on line so i will hack myself a new ip addy i will post more when i can
try firefox if you are using IE
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
i am having a verry hard time staying on line so i will hack myself a new ip addy i will post more when i can
try firefox if you are using IE
yes, i don't use IE at all, only use firefox, IE is not stable and have a lot of bugs with image (png). The speed is better with firefox too!
I was having issues with IE 6 on this board and had to change, I couldn't DL anything after awhile so I loaded up FF instead.
Also every once in a while I noticed there are trojans in the ads, I have multiple FW's and antivirus running so I wouldn't doubt that Innovation has a few virus issues if he doesn't have the proper protection.
;D
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Quote from: joe dirt on March 21, 2007, 04:22:38 PM
I,m pulling all my pics and downloads, figure those who wanted it, got it.
This will save on bandwidth, time to move on It,s been fun!
Where you going?
Quote from: joe dirt on March 21, 2007, 04:22:38 PM
I,m pulling all my pics and downloads, figure those who wanted it, got it.
This will save on bandwidth, time to move on It,s been fun!
Who is John Galt?
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LOL! Maybe carnivore is monitoring your every move, or maybe this site. It's very easy for carnivore to watch your every packet being sent. Carnivore is a packet sniffer used by the FBI. Much information on carnivore is kept secret, so no one has been able to fully blame the FBI for braking the law. Best keep things encrypted. :'(
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Perhaps some "detective" work could explain what an ecg94 is?
The diagram points to it being a hall device...Perhaps a typo?
Moab?? GK? Pehaps the MIB edited the drawing LOL!
A real circuit and a picture will be of great assistance here.
Lindsay
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Here is a data sheet for the ECG94. Hope this helps.
http://www.datasheets.org.uk/specsheet.php?part=ECG94
Not a good way to come out of the noise forest, eh?
JDO300 and I were up till 3 am EST configuring and testing the circuit. My hall effects produced nill and JDO300 irf840s did not do anything either. But we are fully setup for this platform testing. Rest is good. We will get to the correction on this. I used GK4 and JDO300 used his 5" SM type config. That could be JO5. It is beefy. Made totally out of 18 awg stranded.
--giantkiller.
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And that does affirm we are close.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 01:08:54 AM
to me it sounds like carnivore is most likely in place at the isp of overunity.com they would be verry foolish not to do so
so i can assume that it is in place and working fine as overunity.com is 1 of the bigest sites for free energy reaserch on the net and with all the supression we have seen so far on the tpu im sure they are waching every move
william
but you know what
we will still win because the truth will find its way!!
No need to use Carnivore when they can request a database dump from the hosting provider. A database dump will likely contain all the IP and email addresses they need to track anyone. PMs should also be accessible to them since messages cannot be reliably encrypted.
There are proxy servers members can use to hide their identity but it is not really worth all the hassle. This is another reason why information should be open source.
Together we stand, divided we fall.
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Hello GK and Maniux , JOE DIRT in my trials I've Hooked the coils so that they would fire off in sequence at 32000 to 36400 cycles per second and had some results on the ring coil have you tried this type of connection ? :-\ if it glows it's to hot thanks Mike
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@ Joe Dirt . I kind of agree with you on the nature thing , I built the Cook Battery a long time ago and the MF collapse was and interesting affect , so when i saw this SM coil I was immediately intrigued . I was told back in the late 60's buy the aerospace guys that it would hurt my career to pursue this line of science LOl yea right ..
to everyone,
there are alot more people watching this site than participating. DAH!!!!! SO WHAT! NEXT!!!!! if you don't have anything to say about the subject why don't you just not say anything at all.
i am also one of the people that deleted alot of my hypothetical scenarios for the TPU. nobody crashed my computer or has harassed me in any way. so any parinoid freaks out there can rest asured it won't crash your computer.
my main point is let's get back to building the TPU instead of worrying on this page. if you want to worry open a parinoids annonymus group on another page!!!
thanks,
sam
ps:gk you rule man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) lots of people are getting close, you can bet on that.
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@Sam!,
Isn't it fun watching history be made?
@all,
The core material is a reference to the material used in the collector loops. ;)
That wire can be wrapped around any non-metallic tube. Not really an air core.
GK4 is an Iron core only because my collector material is iron wire. Garden core?
Ahhhh the crypticity...
--giantkiller. It is the quiet ones that have the deepest of thoughts.
p.s. Am I the only one awake to be able to look into the eye of the beholder? Glad I took the red pill.
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I'm winding a new core like GK's and using Quickfields student 0.5 edition to see the flux fields . If anyone wants to try it it's a free down load . I'm just getting familiar with it has 2-d graphics ..kinda cool looking thanks mike @ gk are you still using the same MOFSETs as on page 1
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I'm winding a new core like GK's and using Quickfields student 0.5 edition to see the flux fields . If anyone wants to try it it's a free down load . I'm just getting familiar with it has 2-d graphics ..kinda cool looking thanks mike @ gk are you still using the same MOFSETs as on page 1
Tip41s, a or b
The coils look great.
I call my latest
'Mighty little'. :D
--giantkiller.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 10:52:09 AM
his donut tpus are not round but square there is a reason for this
hey William, i dont see the point...
these things are also square arent they?
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Hello All,
This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:
QuoteLet us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.
By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.
God Bless,
Jason O
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"black hole ring" Tetsuo Okamoto,JP11150938
"M type generator" Mitsukuni Motoshita,JP63001364
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It's a coil!
Here's the newest addition to the ring family. Let's welcome 'Mighty Little' to the TPU fold.
I'll be giving the ankle biter its first pulse in the morning. I might have to add another outer coil if the little guy runs cold.
--giantkiller. Proud parent.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 07:04:49 PM
why did sm use cork in his core?
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to reduce wear on the coils the cork works as a shock absour when the coils vibrate plus its non conductive and mag waves goes through the cork easly
The most interesting aspect I find about SM's device is its lack of an iron core. This means his device was not using stored energy and is mainly dependent on an EM field. I'm following SM's amagnetic(nonmagnetic) core design since it is verifiable from his videos along with his implementation of 2 frequencies.
Interestingly, there is a giant toroid fusion generator named the "KSTAR" which has a vacuumed metal vessel as its core. I don't know what the vessel's alloy is made of but my theory points toward amagnetic properties (ie: aluminum or high grade stainless steel).
KSTAR presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvkl_UNFpeo
Does anyone know if an iron core would interfere with a rotating EM field?
Edit: The KSTAR vacuum vessel is made of high grade 316LN stainless steel. (Stated in page 6). The use of an amagnetic core must be important!
KSTAR Source: http://w3.pppl.gov/theory/bin/PAPERS/paper2000b.pdf
SS Grades: http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=18
Where does the 3 core toroid design come from? I notice a few users here are using it and didn't notice it in any of SM's videos.
Quote from: Jdo300 on March 24, 2007, 07:10:45 PM
Hello All,
This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:
QuoteLet us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.
By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.
God Bless,
Jason O
hi Jason
do you think something like this is used in the tpu?
it is also square at the top and bottom.
Ok, here is my first baby tpu.
Sauron, how should I feed this little guy?
The control coils are bifilar.
Thanks Sauron for all the help and pointers.
~Dan
hi Jason ,GK and Dansway nice coils.
somebody mentioned the smaller tpu's need the higher driving frequency's.
so personally i think those would be harder to "tune"
but that's just a guess.
on how to feed we can look back to find a clue.
Now to the question of the little pieces of wire
and the magnet. I don't remember anyone anwering this
to your or Mr. Mark's satisfaction. Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a
current in that wire. However, what was not iterated
is that the amount of current generated is not only a
matter of the strength of the magnet, but rather the
SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire. Thus when we speak of moving the
magnet across a small piece of wire at the speed of a
gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage
spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if
you could move that wire crossways through even a weak
magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate
a voltage spike. In essence Mark is doing this in his
toroid. He states he is running at about 5kHz. For
four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard
box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging
two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes, with the
magnet forcing one direction, or he is running them
sequentially. For the sequential version, that would
mean the "magnetic flux North" (for lack of a better
way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250
times per second. The RPM of the flux would therefore
be AT LEAST 75,000RPM. Can you imagine the kind of
power you might generate from Neo mgnets in an
armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up
to 75,000RPM? Only this toroid has no back EMF when a
load is put on the wires.
When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there
are some weird things to look at. Does a high-speed
rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate
flux lines into a Mark device? Maybe that is exactly
what it does. This simply ADDS more density to the
field. However, something else strikes me more
simply. Mark has set up his terrific sequential
pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares
if there is a battery - that point is moot when you
look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as
fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle. It
creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires
per second. That is key and it takes little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny
amount from the output and run the circuit, so again
the battery is moot. The main thing is the device's
strange reaction to physical movement. I attribute
this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which the
magnetic flux moves.
some more.
The trick here is that the magnetic flux does not go round and round
the toroid as we would think.
It goes from one coil to the next.
Then when a coil's field collapses, and the poles are reversed, the flux enters
that coil from the other side.
This creates the effect or appearance of a rotational field, when in fact we are talking about a PULSED field going first from coil one to two, and between coil three and four.
Upon collapse the direction is the same, but it goes from coil two to three
and from four to one.
The magnets placed on top of opposing coils ensure the pulsed magnetic flux goes in one direction around the toroid.
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Quote from: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 04:37:16 AM
some more.
The trick here is that the magnetic flux does not go round and round
the toroid as we would think.
It goes from one coil to the next.
Then when a coil's field collapses, and the poles are reversed, the flux enters
that coil from the other side.
This creates the effect or appearance of a rotational field, when in fact we are talking about a PULSED field going first from coil one to two, and between coil three and four.
Upon collapse the direction is the same, but it goes from coil two to three
and from four to one.
The magnets placed on top of opposing coils ensure the pulsed magnetic flux goes in one direction around the toroid.
Although the device may not involve a true rotational field, I doubt a magnetic core would be beneficial to the process we intend to trigger. This should be evident in SM's use of wood & cork and KSTAR's toroidal fusion reactor(high grade SS 316LN is nonmagnetic & expensive!). Both devices use a rotational or semi-rotational field. Comparison between magnetic flux manipulability of nonmagnetic and magnetic cores would make an interesting experiment.
I'm still wondering where the 3 core design originated from since it is not apparent in any of SM's videos.
if i remember correct, somebody mentioned more then one material was used in the early models.
in the open model video Steven also speaks out "the wire is very important"
so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.
pherhaps one for guiding the magnetic component and the other to carry the electric component.
but again that is just a guess.
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Quote from: Rosphere on March 25, 2007, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 10:35:31 AM
...so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.
gold
if the wires were made of gold, it would not fit his words "again very cheaply put togheter"
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 09:53:24 AM
im calling all who are currently working on this to come togathe as 1 and lets figure this out i myself are laquing the skills to compleatly build it alone but im a thinker and i can aid this project as i have so far but lets all work as 1 remenber there is no i in team!
william
All the necessary information to build a both types of TPUs are in this thread, Lords of the Ring. The final combinations are coming together via our collective individual views.
Speak the desires of your heart as they were so and they shall be made manifest.
--giantkiller. All the right players are in place for such a time as this.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 10:55:06 AM
sorry for posting this pic agin but it is nessary lets look agin at the coils
Obviously this open model is a very important learning tool. Because it shows a minimalist design model. High frequency? I don't think so. Feed on that. This model lead me to build 'Mighty Little'. Now, how's that for an answer? ;)
--giantkiller. Go to bed stupid, wake up profound. Go figure...
Quote from: Rosphere on March 25, 2007, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: Rosphere on March 25, 2007, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 10:35:31 AM
...so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.
gold
if the wires were made of gold, it would not fit his words "again very cheaply put togheter"
Not the wires, the words. ;)
HAHAHA! i had a good laugh on that one ;D
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Hello TPU researchers : HERES MY THEORY IN HOW THIS WORKS. Years ago i experimented with the Cook Battery ( patent was given in 1871 ) in looking at SM coil design intrigued me. Looking at the primary side of the coil _ you have a copper winding in a ring laced with a steel helix winding. The coil windings are 90 degree wrapped around this primary winding ... This winging is very important for the Tpu to function .... when the Mofset is fired from the Capacitor ,,the Field MF collapse must be strong enough to charge the 2nd capacitor. IN charging and discharging the caps this starts a cascade effect. now whats so cool about this is we start a stair step effect in the coil ( one of natures secretes ) This makes the electrons flow at high rates in the copper ring coil producing a small electrical field (primary)> the next level we put in another ring of steel wrapped in a ring fashion on the top and bottom of the primary ring with the coils on it. thus producing a (onion)MF.. copper wire is then wraped 90 degrees to the primary ring _ this is the secondary elictrical out put (high voltage...@ high frequency.. DANGER THIS WILL HURT YOU !!!!)...... To start the TPU a magnet is waves through the onion MF this pulls the feild 180 degrees ...when the feild springs back the colapse takes place chargeing one or both of the capcitors and the cascade takes place and stairstepping goes in to action. I write this in memory of Jim Sullivian RCA 1957 my mentor and friend from many years ago. The future in in bits and pices of our minds , only evil and greed will misspend our childrens future. I strongly feel if we take the steps now we can change this. new technoligy will have jobs in the future as time changes . mmmmm wonder why Nippers head is 180 degrees ;D
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More on Colapsing MF coils
... We use this technoligy everyday in our lives .. the BBQ grill has a push button coil to light the burner ..the flash on cammeras..Farady flashlites ...the coil only produces an electromagnetic feild when colapased the energy can be stored and reused in a capacitor like devise. If you want to get electrons moveing take a long pice of wire (maniux demonstrated thin in his anolagy on the 12 inch wire and magnet ) put coils at intervals on the wire in searies start energizeing and colapsing the feilds at the other end put a flash cube and wire the one side to a big sheet of aluminum foil . when the electron hit the end of the wire theres enough electricty to make the flash cube go off . in the primary winding the electrons have to be driven in the coil to make a MF for the seconday to put out electrical mass. ;)
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
ok just built the square coil and tested it and as i thought i ght much better results on the pluse test i reached 5.31 volts and it lasted much longer but i could only get the voltage as low as .40 i used 4 gage stranded car audio power wire and the same fine gage wire with about 200 winds only 1 coil
Very interesting. I never thought about stripping some of the audio to get the fine wire? But mine is not individually insulated though. So your windings cannot touch?
--giantkiller.
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Quote from: Motorcoach1 on March 25, 2007, 03:28:16 PM
Hello TPU researchers : HERES MY THEORY IN HOW THIS WORKS. Years ago i experimented with the Cook Battery ( patent was given in 1871 ) in looking at SM coil design intrigued me. Looking at the primary side of the coil _ you have a copper winding in a ring laced with a steel helix winding. The coil windings are 90 degree wrapped around this primary winding ... This winging is very important for the Tpu to function .... when the Mofset is fired from the Capacitor ,,the Field MF collapse must be strong enough to charge the 2nd capacitor. IN charging and discharging the caps this starts a cascade effect. now whats so cool about this is we start a stair step effect in the coil ( one of natures secretes ) This makes the electrons flow at high rates in the copper ring coil producing a small electrical field (primary)> the next level we put in another ring of steel wrapped in a ring fashion on the top and bottom of the primary ring with the coils on it. thus producing a (onion)MF.. copper wire is then wraped 90 degrees to the primary ring _ this is the secondary elictrical out put (high voltage...@ high frequency.. DANGER THIS WILL HURT YOU !!!!)...... To start the TPU a magnet is waves through the onion MF this pulls the feild 180 degrees ...when the feild springs back the colapse takes place chargeing one or both of the capcitors and the cascade takes place and stairstepping goes in to action. I write this in memory of Jim Sullivian RCA 1957 my mentor and friend from many years ago. The future in in bits and pices of our minds , only evil and greed will misspend our childrens future. I strongly feel if we take the steps now we can change this. new technoligy will have jobs in the future as time changes . mmmmm wonder why Nippers head is 180 degrees ;D
I like your explanation
An electric current flows thru the wire producing a magnetic field. Then the electric current goes around the circuit and flows thru the wire again producing more magnetic field. The back EMF stops the flow of current. Then the magnetic field collapses driving the electric current backwards thru the second coil going around the circuit again and again. Once again the magnetic fields builds up. The back EMF stops the flow of current, then reverses it. And we start all over again. The electricity is used over and over. The more it is used, the stronger it gets. It only stops when the circuit is broken.
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thanks :D
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on March 25, 2007, 07:00:14 PM
An electric current flows thru the wire producing a magnetic field. Then the electric current goes around the circuit and flows thru the wire again producing more magnetic field. The back EMF stops the flow of current. Then the magnetic field collapses driving the electric current backwards thru the second coil going around the circuit again and again. Once again the magnetic fields builds up. The back EMF stops the flow of current, then reverses it. And we start all over again. The electricity is used over and over. The more it is used, the stronger it gets. It only stops when the circuit is broken.
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm read this and it will enlighten you
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Hi Guys. Due to some excitement from Dan and Jason I decided to start working on my coils. I plan on using a microcontroller Pic 18F series for timing of the control coils. I had some 4 guage monster cable laying around so I used it for the collector coil. I have 6, 8, 10, and 12" pipe laying around so I used the 6" ID stuff for a form.
I chose pink zip-ties because I thought that pink might be Steven's favorite color = )
@ maniax Thank you much thought went into that, @innovation - I was looking at your pics you posted 580 (post). thats the clearest pics I've seen to date of that style TPU. if I'm correct the plastic part was from an old TV yoke striped down. and the only thing salvaged was the electro magnets. It wasn't used long because of the resonant harmonics it naturally produced. it looks like SM enhanced it with a secondary coil between the magnets and in one of the videos i noticed a toroid on the top as a signal amplifier or voltage doubler. Stick with us on this. I'm looking at the teck parts and the mechanical part will come next. i started making primary coils today. I had some data cable i striped out in 100 foot lengths , very small copper with high grade insulation on it (fire wire). The coils are flat about a 1/4 thick and 4 inches in Dia. i didn't count the turns but used all 100 feet. will post some pics this week. I'll be testing the coils around Wednesday for EMF collapse and sequencing. I use a light chaser box from rope lights to test the coil feilds cheep and dirty lol. Giantkiller i hope you got some rest my minds been going into overtime ... Thanks Mike
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The following link was supplied by Dan LaRochelle, thanks,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9125003792513982191&q=dale+pond&hl=en
@ 49:30 Dale said if you hit a harmonic structure with an inharmonic the harmonic structure dissipates. I say this creates a harmonic vacuum. When you stop the interference you let the harmonics resume and this allows the collapse of the vaccum which is where the infinite energy comes from. And that is where the TPU has its receiver. It's already there.
I know this was said before:
You set 1 freq at 7.8 or a harmonic. Then you pulse with a disruptor freq, say something off resonance. When the disruptor shuts off, the 7.8 harmonics resume, closing the vacuum. That is where the energy comes from.
It is not the nuclear explosion that does the most damage but the return implosion. Male based physics says we have to impact everything to get energy. Not so according to Keely. A small disruptor in and a huge collapse in return. Then the law of assimilation takes effect, naturally across the coil.
Think. The most profound clue ever posted:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22836.html#msg22836
Thank you Steven Mark.
--giantkiller. Infinite possibilites.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 01:50:39 AM
@sauron
do you think that my light puter will do the control job for testing?
i would just a soon not wreck it if i dont have to but i guess i wont know forsure until i try it a job for tommorow as i must sleep now
if its any consulation my brain hurts now but tommorow i a whole new day so mabe just mabe some progress will come out of all this
good night to all
william
only one way to find out ;)
hi Giantkiller,
i have seen many tpu's you build but i have never seen you lite a single bulb or some real power output...
may i ask how far your project is from a working device?
also, do you think this is used in a tpu?
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After I got kicks on Jan 13 I got interested in what would produce kicks using other things. I also read the other posts after that others were able to get kicks with their TPUs. Of course Otto was before me with other coil type configurations. I was starting to realize that kicks were easy to get because they look like BEMF. So I started putting together coils of different ilk just to pulse them. That is when I realized stunguns were a great driving source. Noisy but useful. So now I am in conferences and am focusing on the picking up the output to feed them back. My 15" ring was fired by a stungun and shut down my computing devices. I stunned my GK4 from top cw to bottom ccw connections and blue lightning conducts around the ring from top and bottom. I stunned Mighty Little same way and same effect. Lightning jumping the ring conducting between top and bottom across the middle. So these basically are large area stun guns. I was curious if I could tranfser the stun gun output at a distance through other type spark gaps and I did using an open fuse and 2 nails in a plastic tube. I had posted that.
These experiments showed real energy but no power. I am interested in the wide range of coil configurations. The stungun is unsympathetic output. Major noise. So that will not be usable in a working TPU. Resnonance can not be reached with that kind of wide spectrum output. This experiment was pure fun. I got parts and time. The stungun, the bedini motor, the TPU all produce kicks and the output is feedback in some fashion.
I will look at the transformer specs posted.
I don't mean to create alot of noise with presentations and little or no results. I build 'em and fire them up. I am showing Mighty Little to some people and want to leave off the feedback for that then I am going to put the feedback on and jumper it for kicks, then turn it on and see what the smaller size does. The little coil was built while watching a movie from spare parts.
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hi Jason
do you think something like this is used in the tpu?
it is also square at the top and bottom.
Hello Sauron,
I gave your question some long thought?. and then I thought some more? and the one thing that I can connect between that transformer and the TPU is the simple explanation of what a transformer does. It converts between electric and magnetic energy; something that seems to have resurfaced lately in some of the earlier discussions about the role of iron wire.
I also noticed something else in the video clips of the open TPU that seems to have eluded me earlier:
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If you look closely at the windings, you will find that there are shiny spots at specific intervals on the control windings of the open TPU. Assuming that ordinary red and black speaker wire was wound on the unit, the insulation isn?t normally that shiny unless a bright spotlight was shined on them. Since this didn?t make sense to me, I studied the video more and realize that there appears to be strands of bare steel wire wrapped in the gap between the windings of the speaker wire! If this assumption is in fact true, there are some serious implications by doing this. If we assume that the red wire and black wire have opposite currents flowing in them (bifilar coil), then there is a special effect that Mr. Mark may be taking advantage of. Check out my diagram below.
We know that two opposite currents flowing in adjacent wraps of wire produce a canceled magnetic field. However, we must realize that this net canceled field is observed at a distance from the coil. If we zoom down to the gap between the two conductors of speaker wire in the coil, the magnetic field is, in fact,
Not zero. It adds at that point to produce a north pole that extends out of the coil at right angles to the core it is wrapped on. So if the iron wire happens to be placed in that gap, that North pole (or south pole depending on the current flow) would magnetize the iron as the pulses were fired. Now, we know that the iron will hold that pole orientation for a lot longer than the copper will once the pulse in the coil shuts off. So, my hypothesis is that the iron wire?s magnetic field will act to sustain the current flow in the bifilar coil, which is consistent with what innovation_station was seeing in his experiment. But in addition to that, since the iron wire is iron, once magnetized, it may magnetically couple with the earth?s electromagnetic field even more ?coupling with the magnetic component? to convert even more energy!
More to come?
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. I also attached an article I wrote about making radially magnetized coils, which applies to my theory here.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!
Don't get paranoid. Just get yourself a descent virus scanner + firewall.
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Guys,
The TPU is a air core transformer and more, what do you think you get when you use more than one layer (2 or 3) the control coils will interact as transformers. Those who have their TPU's can verify that. The action we are looking for is the radiant energy and its conduction or transformation into usable power.
Capacitors are a requirement here since they can transform RE into usable power, they are our converters. The trick now is to efficiently create the circumstance in which to generate RE, thus we look to 90 degree coupling of the control coils to the collectors which can only allow RE to be received, thus these are our collectors.
The debate rages on as to what is the control coil configuration??? Two coils, three? maybe more. We know we use these coils to generate the event that creates our RE, the question I have is since it must be magnetic so then how might we increase the efficiency thus reach the OU or at least unity.
I was pondering this and was reading John Bedini's thread on Yahoo and he was talking about using super pole magnets to increase his efficiency of his window motor. He states it creates a sharp field and the magnet configuration produces a magnified output by 4 times its normal strength, he makes them using 2 magnets super glued together with their poles facing N-N or S-S. You may want to read on this latest info at the mention group.
I figure using this super pole magnet arrangement used on the control coils may help us out. Something was also mentioned about using another magnet to perturb the super pole placing it along side the junction or plane of the magnetic field.
Any thoughts on if this would work?
Quote from: starcruiser on March 26, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
Guys,
The TPU is a air core transformer and more, what do you think you get when you use more than one layer (2 or 3) the control coils will interact as transformers. Those who have their TPU's can verify that. The action we are lookin for is the radient energy and its conduction or transofrmation into usable power.
Capacitors are a requirement here since they can transform RE into usable power, they are our converters. The trick now is to efficiently create the circumstance in which to generate RE, thus we look to 90 degree coupling of the control coils to the collectors which can only allow RE to be received, thus these are our collectors.
The debate rages on as to what is the control coil configuration??? Two coils, three? maybe more. We know we use these coils to generate the event that creates our RE, the question I have is since it must be magnetic so then how might we increase the efficiency thus reach the OU or at least unity.
I was pondering this and was reading John Bendini's thread on Yahoo and he was talking about using super pole magnets to increase his efficiency of his window motor. He states it creates a sharp field and the magnet configuration produces a magnified output by 4 times its normal strength, he makes them using 2 magnets super glued together with their poles facing N-N or S-S. You may want to read on this latest info at the mention group.
I figure using this super pole magnet arrangement used on the control coils may help us out. Something was also mentioned about using another magnet to perturb the super pole placing it along side the junction or plane of the magnetic field.
Any thoughts on if this would work?
And the TPU/kicks would act as the dc motor in the circuit.
--giantkiller.
Heres my toughs on the coils : have been reading about the kicks and found that interesting . The coil size is important , it depends on the size of the TPU - the coil is tuned to collapse and charge the capacitor , this means the coil is large enough to pull the electrons through the wire , but strong enough to charge the capacitor. in looking at some of the coils on the rings i feel the coil is to long. the scenario is like the Pentium balls when one ball hits it sends the shock wave through the next three ball and the 5th ball goes in to motion (kinetic energy). in the coils being so long the magnetic Field is doing the same thing went it springs back into position a kick occurs , this is from over lapping Fields of the coil. so its bouncing back and forth trying to get its natural space back in alignment. when wrapping the coil test wrap in tight and narrow and test the capacitor that it will be used with - a big coil may be to much for the capacitor , rule of thumb is wrap the coil 20 percent over the rating , this way you know it will get a charge (with out the resistor if used) . the narrow wrap will give the other coils space for there Fields with out over lapping the critical Field. when you make the coil test the largest to energies the capacitor then start unwinding it to the minimum to energize- count the winds and then put back on the 20% you removed . just watch the over lapping Fields. thanks Mike
Quote from: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
this is compleat bs you rebooting my comp all the time and my wirless router you have played more than enough games with me im just a little nobody leave me the hell alone i have done nothing to you
Calm down, there is a likely explanation for your computer problem.
You may have a Sasser Worm infection(harmless but annoying) if you have Windows XP and have not applied Service Pack 2. To check your system info, Go to 'Start->Control Panel->System'. It should list the service pack if one is applied.
To get the lastest Windows updates go to Internet Explorer, click on 'Tools->Windows Update' and follow the prompts.
If your computer is not the only device that reboots itself , there may be an electrical problem.
Or your running stunguns on kill mode thru large loops!
Been there done that. It ain't pretty. Thought I blew up my tax machine in season.
OBTW. I went down to the nursery and found the twins still in their nest. They are destined to graduate soon if life needs to speed up.
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And right behind them are the children from the big ass cap family. They look like they could cause a disturbance with the other children. They tend to eat alot and bite when touched. ;D
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on March 26, 2007, 10:05:55 PM
Or your running stunguns on kill mode thru large loops!
Been there done that. It ain't pretty. Thought I blew up my tax machine in season.
OBTW. I went down to the nursery and found the twins still in their nest. They are destined to graduate soon if life needs to speed up.
:D
And right behind them are the children from the big ass cap family. They look like they could cause a disturbance with the other children. They tend to eat alot and bite when touched. ;D
gk you should have been a writer i quite enjoy your humor
what is that a pic of i mean where can i find what you have there it is not a sat reciver by chance?
That is out of a 17" computer monitor. My neighbor threw out 7 monitors and I snagged one.
google video: Dale Pond and watch the vids about the collapse of a vacuum and other frequency levels of energy. That will definately blow your tie back!
Sauron of Modor posted this so I thought I would investigate it. I knew I'd seen these before. And there they were in my inventory. I believe these could be the 'stands' of the open TPU if they are used. Could be the feedbacks/microphones/pickups. They have four connection points also like the mics in the SM17 pic. I'm gonna rip -n- strip them out and put them in the circuit.
I am glad you enjoy my approach. I hate to see someone not making progress into their dreams. Or their creativity hampered by noise. ;) I grew up poor with big dreams and one by one through struggle and perseverence they have come true. Kinda cool to look back and say 'Yep, not a bad path chosen'. Eh? We can probably all do the same?
Stay on board and don't worry be happy. I reccomend Handel's Pastoral Symphony or William Tell's Overature, depending where you want to go. :D
--giantkiller. Still got 4 stones left. 8)
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
gk i know what poor is all about this is why i started posting some of my many inventions i have well of 50 diffrent things i have designd and i have only posted a few but in time i will post all of them for the people i figured since i dont have the money to build them i would just give them all away for free for the people in hopes maybe some one with some money will take an intrest in my work and help build them or just build them for them selves dont know if you have seen any of my work but it does not matter im hear to help some how and i know i can do that still reading and designing
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Keep the best ones in your back pocket.
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Would it be possible to design a circuit which discharges a capacitor into a coil, BUT not the whole capacitor just a tini bit of the energy stored inside so it has to be a circuit which closes the loop and quickly opens it again?
and it goes by the name of "The Gatekeeper"
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Overunity comes from
the collapse of the magnetic field!
The term 'flyback' probably originated because the high voltage pulse that
charges the CRT capacitance is generated by the collapse of the magnetic
field in the core of the transformer during the short retrace period - when
the electron beam in the CRT 'flies back' to the start of a new scan line.
The flux in the core changes slowly during scan and is abruptly switched
in polarity by the HOT turning off and damper diode turning on during this
flyback or retrace period.
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_flytest.html#FLYTEST_006
I bet you the exploding TV had an open transformer arrangement in it and probably cheap potting material too. Today it is a wonderfully strange looking device, heavily shielded and so are the drive electronics.
B+ ------+ +----|>|-----+---o +V1 B+ ------+ +----|>|-----+---o +HV
o )|:|( o Scan | o )|:|( Flyback |
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_/\_ )|:|( | _/\_ )|:|( o |
HOT ------+ +------------+--+ HOT ------+ +------------+--+
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Step up xfrmr, diode and a cap. Hmmm, looks like a stungun. If there was a spark gap after this you can kiss your cheeks goodbye. Danger, Will Robinson!
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Flyback, stungun, retrace, bedini motor ckt all the same. Kick, collapse, kick, collapse, kick, collapse.
Feed em back, let 'em fly. Circulate them puppies. Run 'em around.
This oughta make things simple.
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Otto's jumpering shows just this. Freqs in at the bottom and circuit on top to +v. I will go back and try this. I have to rewire GK4 to this. Was gonna do this anyway. But this time the feedback connected in reverse.
b]The collapse of the wave [/b] was the overall theme of the Dale Pond google video. In the exploding TV story remember the nails flew around the room. The child was probably killed from objects behind him.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Thanks Dr. Malcolm.
Male physics is the science of expansion while female physics is the science of contraction. Don't laugh. Watch the video. We cannot be anything different than our environment. Overunity comes from the collapse of the magnetic field.
Never get between a mother and her children! :o
Sure beats the Sunday funnies, eh?
--giantkiller. 3 stones left.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 10:56:51 AM
could we not do somthing like that with fets or transistors where we have a charged cap fire it quick and have a coil around the coil that we fire it into and when the current passes the second coil it turns of the transistor off b4 it can got to the end of the coil and the same on the other end
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in the early models there was used more then one material, in the "advanced" models i believe lamp wire was used.
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best to crawl b4 we run
Hi innovation_station,
What you are essentially creating in that case is an electrical analog of the water hammer effect, which is that big thud you hear in loosely tied water pipes when you abruptly shut off a water faucet! Only in our case, that thud is a burst of energy from the coils :-). For those of us TPU veterans, remember this quote?
"Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire."
Enough Said... lets build this thing :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 04:06:30 PM
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post
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how are you hooking those wires up exactly?
Here's an additional piece of info:
The GK4 has 18awg bailing/iron wire collectors and 30awg copper controls. By winding at 90 degrees the maximum amount of material interface is met between 2 dissimilar metals.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 02:56:56 PM
i must start collecting materials but what would reccomend for the caps? i have some small ones and varous uf but my laque of knowalge with caps and transistors is my biggest problem
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Well, for what we want, my thought is that we want to use a somewhat high value cap (because we want to smack the coil, not oscillate with it). Also, a decent voltage wouldn't be a bad thing.
Since it seems that the coils on the open TPU are farely short, that means that it would require a small value cap (< 1 uF) to resonate with the coil. But again, it depends on the frequency that you pulse the coil with. Though, as a rough guess (based on my personal experiments alone), I always use a 1000 uF electrolytic cap that's rated for 100V. They are small and can be found in power supplies (actually the power supply caps hold more voltage). Plus, if you look at the caps in the 17 inch TPU, you can tell that they are electrolytic also.
BTW, thought I would share with you all a simple experiment I did recently with my 555 pulse circuit, the aforementioned cap, and a 1:1 toroidal transformer. First, I had the cap continuously charged from my 20V 500mA DC power supply. From there, the cap was connected through a MOSFET into the primary side of my transformer. I used my 555 circuit to switch on and off the MOSFET which dumped the cap through the transformer. The secondary side of the transformer was connected through a bridge recrifier to a high voltage cap which my DMM was measuring the voltage on.
I noticed that when I tuned the frequency of the 555 timer just right, I got about 100-200V on the cap. But after I began to play with the duty cycle, thats when the fun started. The smaller the duty cycle on my square wave, the higher and higher the voltage on the secondary would climb. At one point, I managed to get it up as high as 400V+! Keep in mind that this was a weenie little 1:1 transformer not a step up transformer. The key to this was simply the on time of the wave! Also, I noticed that the steeper the rise and fall times of the wave the better the results as well. This is consistent with what Tesla observed.
So the faster we shut the switch on and off, the more radiant energy we get.
Oh, one more thing I should mention... The shorter rise times allowed my cap to stay charged to the same voltage without using much input current to maintain it... So in other words, the shorter the pulses, the less current you need to replenish your cap... Which means that you can take some of the output and use it to top off the cap without needing to keep it tied to a power supply.
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. Caps also like high voltage spikes :-).
Also, for the transistors... well. first of all. Don't use transistors, use MOSFETS. They don't need significant current to switch on (in the nanoamps). and as for the type you need. You want a MOSFET with the lowest gate capacitance. What this means is that the MOSFET will switch on faster when the required voltage is applied to it. The gate is essentially a capacitor, and we know that small caps charge up faster than large ones. This is the only factor that will determine how fast the MOSFET can switch on and off. Theoretically, a MOSFET has infinite rise time if you could charge it up with an infinite voltage spike. So the MOSFETs are as close to a switch as we will get as far as I understand. Also, get something that can handle at least 100V at 1A. They are cheap and readily available at RadioShack for about $2.00 each.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 27, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 04:06:30 PM
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post
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how are you hooking those wires up exactly?
i hooked up the wires like this
the steel welding wire to the volt meter only 1 end the other end i touched
the speeker wire was wound bifolar and connected togather at 1 end and i touched the other i touched with my finger and the last wire was to the volt meter so there was no connection between the steel wire and the speeker wire some how the small voltage from me went from steel to copper without any connection between
strange but it worked as you can see in the pic
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Nice proof. And you were going to leave? I think not after this. You are now a permanent resident.
Welcome to the fray.
--giantkiller.
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The flyback is feedback and the feedback is the flyback.
Got it?
Johnny! Put that TPU down! You don't know where that's been! Now go wash your hands! It's winner time.
--giantkiller. Ever comical, always dead on!
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A good read on building flybacks PDF format
Here is a VERY interesting video where the Physicist speaker claims that Aluminum has Free Energy properties.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3017194771837860523&q=William+Lyne&hl=en
He even describes how he got some major OverUnity from a house Watt-Hour Meter that uses an aluminum rotating disc inside. Is it possible that SM used aluminum wire in any of his main coils???
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What is up with this?
swiping magnets, transformers that match.
Stun guns connected together?
I bypassed the stun gun trigger with a TIP41 NPN tranny.
--giantkiller.
Westinghouse made watt hour meters in the late 20's and early thirties that used aluminum disc's and magnets , they found out that it was giving there electricity away because of line wattage from ground was being used and pulled and scraped all the meters but funny the same mechanism is being used today to read watts used....oppps we got hosed again mmm no wonders they called it the Great Depression
I found a saturated core model schamatic for flybacks.. http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_3.htm now this is interesting now the air gap figures have to be calculated .... GK the pic you posted on the Blue water ring i have a rubber boot that looks just like that ....... >>>>> go west my son theres gold in them hills , hey pop you benn drinken that moonshine again .....
sorry the link on how to build a flyback is here> http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf GK you had twins whats there names ....have a cigar..... ;D
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on March 27, 2007, 11:33:14 PM
sorry the link on how to build a flyback is here> http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf GK you had twins whats there names ....have a cigar..... ;D
Well their cousins are screaming in another state as we speak.
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends,
we're so glad you could attend,
come inside, come inside...
Come inside the shows about to start,
guaranteed to blow your head apart!!!
Quote from: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 10:14:30 PM
What is up with this?
swiping magnets, transformers that match.
Stun guns connected together?
I bypassed the stun gun trigger with a TIP41 NPN tranny.
--giantkiller.
I looped the stun gun output back to the tranny base, triggered it and what do you think happened? You are correct. I had a triggered loop! The stun gun fired itself then blew. No surprise here, right? It gets better.
The stungun works off of a 9volt battery. I can now drive the stungun with a 555 timer or better yet I can drive a TPU with a 9volt battery. Amazing. Read on...
The stun gun represents a segment in each layer of the TPU. We just happen to have 4.
Now lets replace each stun gun with the flyback circuit I posted earlier:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg26692.html#msg26692
One fires the next. Let's call them
cannon balls. Everybody with me here?
String theses components in a loop and you have a
cyclical cavitation chamber. Cavitation as described by Dale Pond. This can get very large. To start this infinite loop we use a Bedini magnet pickup on one of the trigger inputs to catch the magnet swiping. This component can be placed in any of the trigger inputs in the loop. We only need one.
The tuning comes in as a delay component to keep the triggering in sync with the impedance of each control coil. You want the collapse to be free and clear of any interference. <50% duty cycle has been what we have found best in producing kicks. Dudes! Surfs up and we caught the big wave!
The collectors are iron wire which creates the core for each segment. The layers rest on an air core. The picture shows four vertical collectors per layer. These are really connected together horizontally in each layer to form a single path of conduction. Everybody with me here?
Caveat: More and better details are forth coming from other sources. I wanted to clear up any miscommunication from the previous posts. Did not mean to sound cryptic. The team work was being done as I posted.
Once again, all the kick and trigger circuits look the same. Diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil. There is always a voltage multiplier present. Stun gun, flyback, Bedini motor circuits equal kicks which are the precursor to cavitation.
JDO300 got some beautifully huge spikes and ringing on the back end of a square pulse the other night. This equates to more cavitation. The current circuit kept running while the input current and voltage disappeared from the meters. Can you OU? I can! Man, We are psyched! diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil.
The TPUs are handheld, open flyback transformers / cavitation chambers. We got to be out of our minds! The exploding/imploding tv is a random
Hutchison effect event. The results are the same, no? Think how big the cavitaion event was at the Philadelphia experiment. Everything is now possible.
Things are moving fast. We will be finished by 20070415. You can bet on it.
For the team and to the team: All for one and one for all!
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Hi everyone,
Yes, GK, rosphere, and I were up last night doing some ?proof of principle? experiments to prove some of the basics for the control circuit. I will create a nice circuit diagram of the setup along with scope shots and data to post later tonight when I get home from work.
GK and all: There is one important detail about that small monitor transformer that we all missed. Notice that it has
four coils wound on it, not two? Not sure what this means? Here?s something to jog your memory:
QuoteI originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of usable power available. You can?t get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate (actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts). Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the heater transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another, you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
Check out the diagram below. This isn't my completed idea but build this, measure across the resistor, and see what the output looks like... Just as Mr. Mark said, it can be very revealing...
More to come?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello All,
I should make a correction about that circuit diagram I posted. According to GK, the small transformers he pulled from his monitor only have four leads coming out, so the two coils are attached internally. Not to say that this applies to all the transformers that look like his but just something to look out for.
God Bless,
Jason O
yes well those are very easy to unwrap and rewrap etc...
it's also very easy to remove the core.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
the question would be why? humm back to the thinking chair
well, suppose you have more then one.
then you could also stack them....
the example about moving the magnet across a wire was nice.
the explenation about the speed being important was very nice too.
but i still did not hear anybody talk about the number of magnets...
suppose you could have 15 magnets flying across the same wire ,faster than the speed of a gunshot, what would happen?
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No, the field would just merge to one magnet unless the fields are opposite.
lets read some of Stevens words again,
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet.
Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long.
If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved.
So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!
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Me make my own tpu...
Don't need your stinkin' smashed parts....!
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if you want to do it like i do, you need to smash a lot of monitors :D
these are for one ring and i am going to do 3
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Hi all,
Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.
swithcing speed could be a challenge
The seike oscillator has some similarities.
Lindsay
Ok.
Here is a primer TPU 101.
Our toroids produce kicks. The backside of a kick is the field collapse. That is where the energy comes from. We are currently trying to harvest that. Then use a portion of that to feedback into the input to produce another kick. And on infinatum. Plain and simple. It like facing a microphone into a speaker. Something is going to blow without some sort of control. We have been at this for months and we have breakthroughs.
Now return to your seat for departure.
--giantkiller. Remain calm at all times to see clearly.
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I understand your directions and points well made. Right now we are going in cheap, small and dirty(And this really is no joke! Paper rolls, pop bottles and duct tape). The tune up and showboat specs can come later. It doesnt hurt to keep the steps small. They have been very fast coming since I got the kicks. Alot of people have posted tremendous facts and information. Everything has gotten alot of attention worldwide and all of us fit in at a perfect place. As long as you posted you specs or desires they can be taken into consideration. Believe me. I have followed everything here and before. And what I had posted came true. Yours will too. This is a great adventure.
--giantkiller.
I am relaying for Moab:
Kicks are only half the equaision. the collapsing field is the key to resonant rise. this is what ya want to see. kicks dint mean diddly without the right colapsing field. think T Coil, think inductance. think resonance. you will need all three to achieve it IMHO. glad to see the flyback coil make an apperience. Now ask yourself why did Tesla build the Tesla coil in the first place! :
--giantkiller.
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Quote from: Mannix on March 28, 2007, 06:35:43 PM
Hi all,
Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.
swithcing speed could be a challenge
The seike oscillator has some similarities.
Lindsay
The seike oscillator is limited compared to the gatekeeper circuit.
however i think it's a good start.
maybe we can tweak the circuit.
Quote from: Sauron on March 29, 2007, 02:03:55 AM
Quote from: Mannix on March 28, 2007, 06:35:43 PM
Hi all,
Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.
swithcing speed could be a challenge
The seike oscillator has some similarities.
Lindsay
The seike oscillator is limited compared to the gatekeeper circuit.
however i think it's a good start.
maybe we can tweak the circuit.
Hi Sauron,
I've been experimenting with my 555 pulse circuit's duty cycle to get my pulse capacitor to loose as little a charge as possible on each spike. I am making some progress but I wanted to clarify what the Gatekeeper circuit actually consists of. Is it the reference to US Patent 7162410 that someone mentioned earlier or is there a much simpler way to accomplish this?
God Bless,
Jason O
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I re-watched SM's 9 minute Video & his 38 Minute video & wrote down all of the TPU stats that he mentioned. Maybe this will help us get some more clues as to NUMBER of LEVELS, FREQUENCIES, DIMENSIONS, etc? For example, can 3 or 4 Levels really fit into a TOTAL HEIGHT of only 2 inches? Personally, I don't think so.
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12 Ounce OPEN COIL.
OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps. 7 Amps with a Heat Sink.
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Small 1 Pounder, OPEN COIL. Took Magnet from his pocket.
OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp. 7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
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Small Open Coil, 1 1/2 Pounder:
OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps. 7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
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Large 17" Open Coil.
OD = 17 inches.
Height = 3 inches.
Thickness =
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.
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Quote from: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on March 28, 2007, 10:22:23 PM
@IS
I understand your directions and points well made. Right now we are going in cheap, small and dirty(And this really is no joke! Paper rolls, pop bottles and duct tape). The tune up and showboat specs can come later. It doesnt hurt to keep the steps small. They have been very fast coming since I got the kicks. Alot of people have posted tremendous facts and information. Everything has gotten alot of attention worldwide and all of us fit in at a perfect place. As long as you posted you specs or desires they can be taken into consideration. Believe me. I have followed everything here and before. And what I had posted came true. Yours will too. This is a great adventure.
--giantkiller.
about the cheep small dirty
how will you achive the proper operation of this unit in my opinoin with out proper coils?
the entire unit is cheep small dirty
have you not been trying for 1.5 years now with the 3 rings with a laque of good results?
is
The proper operation will be a later step. We still run under a power source.
This step is the tuning step.
No Sir. I have only been on this section of the project for 90 days. I have been on this site and others since Sept 2006.
Now what I would like show here is a model of the pulse timimg.
The red spikes are the pulses / kicks. The yellow cylinders are the control coils. The green line is the collector.
What is shown here is where the pulses hit when the frequency is a 4:1 match with the length of the collector which equates to the circumference, hence the diameter. Harmonics can also be used to circumnavigate around the ring to the step of 1/5, 1/9, 1/13, 1/17 to get a pulse at the next control coil with a slower and slower frequency. This is important. That frequency chosen has got to be in resonance with the control coil specifications. The freqency chosen has also got be slower than the collapse of the field. This would allow the cavitation energy spoken about by Dale Pond. This action also gives the operation a rotational sequencing using 1 frequency.
RFC.
--giantkiller. In a nutshell.
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heres a thought- in looking back t what SM started with a flyback transformer from an old TV set. So i been studying the construction of these and see the air gap is what makes them unique as this type of transformer. The air gap is what holds the energy that boosts the power up. I believe that the 4 magnets is just a containment Field that holds the electron Field in place so there just not flying all over the place and migrating. The steel garden wire i believe is the armature of the torrid devise and the primary winding would be a large size copper wire say 12AGW and the Primary a much smaller wire say 30 AGW. the another unique thing about the fly back is in order for it to work only one coil at a time needs to be energized ( the primary or secondary), now in most flybacks thees a 3 coil - the bias coil, this coil is there to control the spike that the secondary or the Primary coil gives off when the electricity is removed and the Field collapses amid produces the EMF, This EMF energy is sucked up in the air gap and is boosting the output of the transformer. The 4 magnets hold the EMF electrons on this air gap - more electron in the air gap = more power. also the bias coil tunes the flyback -reajusting the bias using the royer circuit will boost the whole mechanism. In the cook coil patent it shows the coils and how that operate but what it doest show (intellectual property) i believe is the switching mechanism. This circuit operates the coil output and starts the coils. In the Hubbard patents the 8 coils on the outside of the main coil is a containment Field for the electron in the air gap. i believe in the cook coil the switching patent is in a separate patent -i haven't searched for it as the technology may be moot with the newer switching devises we have today. On the primary coil were working on- the primary ring winding has 4 coils wraped 90 degrees , energizeing and denergizeing these create a EMF field that inturn keep the flow of electrons flowing around the ring. The secondary has no coils around it but in turn when the feild is colaped and the primary coil is in the off mode the secondary kicks on (spike) this energy is sucked up in the air gap as electrons to be used as electrical energy output. just something to ponder Thanks Mike :o
on off on off on off on off on off on off
@ Inovation : did you study the link i left on page 67 ( International rectafier ) PDF file on designing flaybacks . A must read here it is again http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf notice the section on the bias coil and take into cosideration on noise and capacitance. and why toriods are not sutable for this type transformer. .. Thanks Mike
run eddy electron run < :o
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@ Innovation ...no i didn't misunderstand LOL ..I feel that is a possability too- some one needs to look that direction in this reasearch , glad you are looking into it. I'm building what i call my big washer TPU 4 in in dai. 2 primarys and 2 secondarys 15mm air gap 4 small magnets in gap. going to try cycleing the primarys to flux the capacitors into life. Then try the secondarys no coils just the bias . thanks Mike
pull the leaver egor
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Folks, this should not be this difficult. I mean, magnets, high voltage flybacks? Square coils? exotic or dissimilar metals? This can all be done if you want to spend the next decade working on this thing. But if you extrapolate the information from all the players here it is clear that none of that is needed.
The culmination of 60+ posts is:
Physical:
1 coil of copper of 3-10 turns 3" to 7" diameter of guage 12 to 4 wire or tubing.
4 control coils wound 90 degrees to collector coil and 90 degrees in circumference to each other. 30 to 18 guage wire.
Electronics:
It's clear now that all this needs is a circular CCW pulsing system controlling the four coils. Using NPN transistors or mosfets with decent timing in between each coil firing. 300mA or less per firing at 5VDC. Timing done so that the collector doesn't stay in complete saturation but rather has clear pauses between each coil firing. This being air core means that even 5Khz is slow compared to what the air core could handle, but sufficient for creating the effect. LC resonance? I don't think it's needed. If the extra amplification is desired then it's easily obtained by slightly increasing power levels to the control coils, or adding a calculated capacitance to create an LC tank.
See attached simple pulsing circuit to get the idea. This is where I am working. The second circuit I am building will be a microcontroller based system where more precise timing can be achieved, but I honestly don't think it's needed.
Flow with the microcontroller would look like the following:
Automatic mode:
1. pulse coils 1-4 and check collector coil output via AD converter.
2. Continue to increase frequency as coils 1-4 are fired.
3. Record collector output power levels and continue until maximum voltage is recorded.
4. Once highest possible voltage has been found, check temperature of collector coil via AD converter. If heat levels are higher than ~150F then decrease frequency until heat level drops, sampling every 1mS.
5. Post temperature, voltage, and frequency to LCD screen.
Maybe I've missed something but it just doesn't seem like it needs to be changed six different ways to sunday in order to get it to work. When I say work I mean produce 2x the input. Even this would be miraculous to an engineer but it's clear from the videos and information that it should be easily possible with this configuration.
In the above schematic the system works as follows:
Function gen fires coil one. Coil one has a feedback winding of 3-5 turns. This feedback fires NPN trans on coil 2, thereby firing control coil 2. Coil 2 has a feedback same as coil 1 that fires NPN trans on coil 3, and the cascade effect continues.
Frequency from the generator controls saturation of the field and thus the magnetic wave that encircles the collector coil. Frequency is changed manually until highest voltage on collector is obtained. Frequency is recorded and the freq gen is swapped out with 555 timer or some other form of pulse train circuitry that is then fixed at the optimum frequency for the given coil.
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Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.
Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.
Hello UF,
if you use 2N2222 transistors I hope you have a lot of them.
Otto
Quote from: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 01:38:25 AM
Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.
Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.
@uncclefester
q1 must als have resistors as R1/R4 (Base-Volt-Divider-resistors.
@ otto
in europe BC 337 do the same.
Pese
@UncleFester,
Instead of the signal generator approach why not try using an external magnet to trigger the process?, configure the feedback & control loops to be circular (self triggering, by adding another feedback coil) and use the magnet to start it, the coils would then tend to oscillate at their natural frequency(ies). No circuit tunning necessary since the coils would self align to their sweet spot. The only consideration would be the coils length to tune, Just a thought.
This is the direction I am working on at the moment, self resonance.
I forgot to mention, use a variable resistor in the base divider circuits to tune the sensitivity of the triggers and a diode on the control coils to protect the transistors from the BEMF spikes.
One other thing I feel is important is that the drive circuit should be able to run using a 9Vdc battery so this provides us a current and voltage limit for the operation. So this would mean our current source would be less than 800mA, therefore our circuit must be designed with these limits in mind.
After a working model is determined we can then look at closing the power loop to self power after startup.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the input. The schematic was simply an example. I will be using TIP120 or 3055 transistors. The reason I was going to use an external pulse generator was that I wanted control over the timing. It was said by SM that the coils could overheat quickly if not DE-TUNED. Apparently once the optimum frequency is reached the collector could be overloaded. I was simply trying to avoid that by having external controls.
Protection diodes etc were left out because I was trying to quickly draw up a simple circuit.
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Just food for thought, that's all
Looking good Rosphere, time to power her up eh??
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Quote from: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
Hi guys,
Thanks for the input. The schematic was simply an example. I will be using TIP120 or 3055 transistors. The reason I was going to use an external pulse generator was that I wanted control over the timing. It was said by SM that the coils could overheat quickly if not DE-TUNED. Apparently once the optimum frequency is reached the collector could be overloaded. I was simply trying to avoid that by having external controls.
Protection diodes etc were left out because I was trying to quickly draw up a simple circuit.
With the 555 addition you could put a feedback coil / tranny on coil L4 and trigger the 555. The duty cycle will control the runaway. The ratio will be interesting to see. You could also add a small buck/boost and crowbar that output with an SCR into the power supply. That way the 9vbat is excluded after ramp up. SCR stays on till power dropped. Add a thermal circuit to the 555 trigger acceptance and you'll shut down on overheat.
Good for a start, eh? I have most of this circuit up in my controller so this weekend I can test. No crowbar or thermal, though. But easy to add.
So, what if the TPU bucking is the ramp on and off cycling due to runaway control?
@IS,
I am interested if you posted specs of your coil that gets those voltages. I am truely interested. I get great kicks but no useable power as of yet.
Thanks.
On another note:
I have to replace the heater core in my truck. You know, just under the dash on the passenger side? Used to be you just layed down, undid a few screws, remove the case lid, replace the core, put it all back together and your done.
Not Any MORE! Now you have to lift the dashboard!
We gotta put these bastards outta business.In the new paradygm the TPU gives everything.
--giantkiller. Less noise, more power is a good thing.
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@ gk
hear is a pic of my coil i put 5v in and on the kick back it peeks my meter on all settings 1000v dc and 750v ac
Quote from: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 06:49:37 PM
5v input well over a 1000 volt output
Very cool!
If I may simplifiy this.
Collector: 5 turns of 12awg solid
Controller: x turns of 26awg solid
feedback: x turns of 18awg
Correct or close? Close is still good...
Light bulb go poof...
You need to put up an avatar.
--giantkiller.
@ gk
the light buld did not evean light i tryed a 110v ac bulb
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Hello,
I am pursuing Uncle Fester's ckt. It is a minor change for my 8 channel motor controller. Plus I have a broken copper run on the one of the boards to fix.
I am going to take a slightly different approach with this. With a quad phase control I don't need the wire for the feedback pulse circuit to the next coil segment(I can do that later). That is where my motor control circuit will sequentially run through the controller coils one at a time. I can also vary the duty cycle and keep it less than <50 percent. And guess what? No runaway. That is your safety tip for the day. UF's ckt can't runaway either because the 4th segment has no feedback coil to trigger the 1st control coil. Pretty smart, dude!
This operation will perform the rotating field that seems to be so desired.
I have the GK4 totally stripped down (Empty terminal connections. Can't show pics, nudity not allowed) and connected per UF's schematic.
I am also going to try putting a dc bias on the collector to a enable a one way path. This is to see if the Radiant Energy can be swept in one direction instead of spattering all over the place. Just a try.
I have supplied the motor controller circuit schem. There are 8 outputs of the 74139, a 2 to 4 line decoder. Just duplicate the coil driver on the Q1A line.
The duty cycle is controlled by a 555 one shot to the enable. This new addition is not on the schematic. The one shot is triggered by the rising pulse of the main 555 astable. The max frequency for any given channel is 250khz.
The beauty of this circuit is it can drive 2 TPUs of any collector layer count and any direction. Even opposing. Hmmm?
And that's today's lesson with Mr. Wizard. I've had the flyback flu for 7 days now. Things were going slow. Maybe I can catch up.
--giantkiller. Patience is how we earn our keep.
Carmen sent this to me and I am posting for her here:
Kicks again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdUBSz-9Qo
The facts in the common conversation are amazing and very revealing.
Mr. Muller stated that:
Iron core equals current and air core equals voltage.
Small magnets equal voltage, large magnets equal current.
One side of the rotor was positive and the other was negative.
They used a clamp on ampmeter.
More magnetic shearing effect. Bedini devices do too.
More to come.
--giantkiller. http://www.mullerpower.com
hey GK,
how about the, battery to inverter, to toroid, to secondary, split! try this half the output back to the battery to charge it,and half to a device. maybe keeping the pendulum running in the Milkovic dual oscilating pendulum???
lol,
sam
Quote from: starcruiser on March 30, 2007, 09:53:13 AM
I forgot to mention, use a variable resistor in the base divider circuits to tune the sensitivity of the triggers and a diode on the control coils to protect the transistors from the BEMF spikes.
hi there starcruiser,
this is the problem, we are doing this in all circuits all the time.
destroying unwanted energy.....
who knows what can be done whith them...............
Quote from: Sauron on March 31, 2007, 05:32:24 PMhi there starcruiser,
this is the problem, we are doing this in all circuits all the time.
destroying unwanted energy.....
who knows what can be done whith them...............
How about capturing the spikes and using them to recharge the pulse cap...
God Bless,
Jason O
sounds intresting!
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 09:16:17 AM
i have returned altho my posts will not verry little good info in them anyways
helping to clean up the thred so new people dont have to read a bunch of garbage
about what i had was nothing special i put 5v in and on the kick back it peeked my meter that is all altho the way it was wired seams to be the only way i get those big kicks and only with the use of a steel wire it has a verry strong mag feild for what was in volved the mag feild acts with my magnet up to 14" away from the unit
so i was thinking that in sted of 1 long wire i should have many short ones to lower the voltage and up the current and square is important from what i found but so i have seen it is a game of trial and error but it will not be long and we will crack it
and i m still trying new things
is
You are correct in your post here. You have kicks. Just attach a pulse train to tranny drivers to the coil and put it on a scope. if you can't do that then you can't see what lies in the operation of the events to progress any further. Without the ability to see that, your errors from unnecessary trails will consume your life.
--giantkiller.
Guys,
I was working on my super pole control coil TPU concept this afternoon and got some interesting output. I was putting in approx 12vdc, this was pulsed using a circuit from the Bedini window motor experiement. The trigger at this point was an audio generator but will be replaced with a feedback/trigger coil to see if I can self run the oscillation.
The control coils are currently wired to provide a super pole arrangement, i.e. North pole to North pole, all coils are connected in series on a layer and all layers are series connected to each other.
The control coils are wound using 170 turns of 32ga magnet wire (RH rule). The collectors are 15 turns 16ga stranded (single wire). All control coils are lined up to match the coil polarities in the TPU.
The output on the collectors was 4.5v P-P and this was after I ran the collectors in a series connected arrangement. It was additive! It should be noted that un-rectified waveform output was more positive than negative. I then rectified the output and got a ramp wave that had a positive offset from 0, approx .7v and had a peak to peak value of roughly 2+ v above that.
So far these results are showing promise and I am thinking I am needing to increase the control coils turns to increase the magnetic field thus improve the super pole effect. So it is off to wind a new TPU.
One other interesting note, I placed a neo magnet next to the junction of two coils and this caused a high pitched oscillation in the control coils, the polarity of the magnet did not seem to make much difference in the waveform output at this time, but the strong field from the magnet is causing an effect. I also tried this with a regular ferrite magnet from radio shack (the rectangular one) and got the same affect but not quite as pronounced. I am wondering if the addition of a strong magnetic field may help the current production in the output but I will not be able to tell until the new control coils are wound and tested first.
I will post more info after I construct the new TPU with the enhanced control coils to strengthen the super pole fields.
I though I would share this info in the event it may help someone else.
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@starcruiser,
Yes. I had put neo buzzmags inside mine and they amplified the vibrations.
The neos are a great tool to use.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 01, 2007, 10:11:26 PM
@starcruiser,
Yes. I had put neo buzzmags inside mine and they amplified the vibrations.
The neos are a great tool to use.
--giantkiller.
Look it...
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good luck to all working on this
Thanks
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@IS,
I can understand your frustration, I, like Giantkiller, have been following this saga for over a year, at first I just read and researched, then when I felt I had enough of sitting on the sidelines I jumped in, some others had to wait until they had the resources (parts or test equipment). So do no let this go by if it really interests you just start out by reading and researching and then start discussing with the rest of us. Please note that some do not read all of the SM thread which can help answer some questions and stop you from presenting something that we already have covered.
The last thing I want to do (and I am sure others as well) is to mislead anyone working on their own TPU. It should be recognized that SM has provided us insights and clues to his units actual operation, but due to other constraints he cannot outright give us the design. So as a result of this we are acting like detectives to sort it out and learn as we go.
Now in regards to your statement regarding the collectors;
The running of the power thru the core/collector is similar to the negative inductor or Genesis project (I believe you posted on this prior) which we have investigated and I have tried with no real output. It is possible that I may have constructed it in correctly but???
What I find interesting is some of SM's comments regarding neutralizing the magnetic field, this is similar to a project that JL naudlin has done back in 1997 I think it was. Which speaks to orientation of the copper wire to a magnetic field (90 degree coupling) in which the flux is neutralized, not directly acting onthe wire and yet current flows (is induced) in the wire.
Another is the thread on the Phonon which speaks to crystalline structures and HV fields. So as you can see we pull insiration from many sources to understand that which is yet unknown to us.
So as a result all of us who are working on these TPU's are trying several directions to narrow the possibilities and get us all to the promised land.
I have been reading all types of materials for inspiration and trying various experiments (as should we all) to understand the effect. I am currently pursuing the super pole magnet direction to see if the sharp field gradient will provide any results. This is why I posted something in relation to that, in order to share this knowledge with others that may already have a TPU built that can try this and see if they can get the same results.
For sure this is a project that requires more test equipment than some may have, the minimum required to work on this device is a decent Oscilloscope 30 to 50 Mhz BW, several DVM's and/or multimeter's and an inductance meter and other various tools.
If you have some insight please share it but don't expect an immediate response, it takes time for us to review, absorb and implement/experiment to validate. Beyond that we all have day jobs and we are spread out across the globe so that being said this slows our response time.
So if this post doesn't put you off (not meaning to), hang around and read the threads (here and elsewhere) and pretty soon you will be right there with us working on a TPU and who knows you may solve this puzzle!
@Starcruiser,
Amen Brother,
After agonizing over a response myself, I couldn't have come with a better one.
@IS and All,
I left my initial posts intact in other threads when I first started in on this. Needless to say I misjudged the audience and look back in total embarrassment at some of the things I said. But we grow.
Fustration is not a meal we should consume or let consume us. I got past that due to investigating and achieving results. Patience is the meal before dessert.
@IS,
I know you can't chew your leg off and get away that easy. I was impressed with the coil you posted. That is enough to put you in the kicks club. It just has to be validated somehow, like a scope shot or diagram even with unknown values. But I do know this: a lot of small wire wrapped many times around a large one will achieve kicks. It is the simplest circuit. My 130v kicks produced a 2 foot magnetic ball. Now that was fun on the guitar as a pickup. If you got 1kv spikes you should be able to pull a neodynium magnet from 1 foot to the coil, easily. Or make it turn. Think cheap if you have to.
Hey, you slapped some leftovers together and got kicks! And I might add in quite a minimal timeframe. More than most of the readers and highly trained posters here! Be thankful.
So don't go away mad like others. To the victors go the spoils! There are a huge amount of applications after this next step. And anybody than can think for themselves knows it. I was told that the world will be changed 180 degrees in 2 generations from this.
Patience weedhopper.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
We all will get there, time is the main ingredient with a dash of patience.
Thanks for the mention BTW.
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@IS,
Please note that Turbo's design is not what it seems, his is a replication of a Tesla patent, the magnifying transmitter. The design was discussed as well as how he did it, this is one reason I mentioned reading all of the related threads and others to glean all the info possible.
Do not think we are not interested in your ideas, please take the time to do a write up on them and post them and we can discuss and then try them out after.
We all want to get the to the finish line, but patience is required to win this race.
As GK has stated in his last post many people have come and gone from this TPU project for various reasons, don't let this project get to you, slow and steady is what you need to be. We will all get there, I for one am not looking for fame, I want to give this to the world for the obvious reasons.
We all must contribute to win this race, this is why we read, theorize and experiment and share.
If you need take a break and come back we will be here or on another project if this one completes.
Here in lies the biggest drawback. So far, if I have had an idea that I felt held credence, I just post it and let the group as a whole ponder it. Just drop it on us and let it take the course. So what if you piss off a few people, you will do that no matter which way you go. Since this "is" patented material already, there is nothing to be gained by holding back a key piece of the puzzle. If enough people find it, there is no way to hush us all up without bringing bad press to them selves. This is for the good of the world, not just someones pocket. As they say, "let it all hang out baby" and the world will be a better place. Today is good day for change.
sugra
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innovation_station
i sugest you stop talking and start building.
Turbo
Hello all,
@ IS
Of course I said once this is all s..t because with a little test I got a 24V/5W light bulb to shine like the sun. I had only a few turns of wire wound over my 2 fingers and connected in a "special way", the picture is here in this forum. Not a such good result I had with my TPU that I wound with who knows how many wires, with the feedback coil.....pulsed with 3 frequencies...
I would suggest you all to make tests with little coils wound over your 2 fingers, the collectors through this coils, pulse them, see what happens and if you are sattisfied wind another coil......pulse...
Im doing this because I need only a few minutes to make such a coil and the tests are GREAT....
In this way you can make a lot of tests in a really short time, of course, you can learn.... There is NO need to make various TPUs and then you see you made s..t. You lost then time and have a big NOTHING!!!
From this little tests I learned a lot about coils, pulses, connections....
Otto
Quote from: starcruiser on April 02, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
@GK,
We all will get there, time is the main ingredient with a dash of patience.
Thanks for the mention BTW.
i found something....maybee... a patent on magnetic motional fields....
maybee it helps to come foreward.
http://oriharu.net/ehooper1.htm
THANK YOU turbo and otto i will be building
Vendanges sont faites,
Effluvia abounds,
And I am mesmerized...
--gaintkiller.
@ gk
in english for us poor dumb foke like me
Quote from: giantkiller on April 03, 2007, 12:39:47 PM
Vendanges sont faites,
Effluvia abounds,
And I am mesmerized...
--gaintkiller.
Quotes from 'Fatal Attraction' by Patricia Fara
The rip off is over, We are in the field, It is amazing.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 10:43:22 PM
also im sure someone right now is making a lot of money off of us this is why im removing all of my work over time from here and posting some where people care and money is not the motive
If there is someone profiting from free-energy tech at least they are bringing it to the public. "Free energy" can help:
*end homelessness,
*end wars around the world
*stop government oppression
*human social development
*stimulate development of advanced technologies (for space and beyond)
*reverse pollution
*end corporate slavery
*end financial slavery
* ...(list goes on)
Why should I care if someone makes a few bucks from overunity technology? It belongs to the world.
If you are seeking prestige from a significant discovery, public documentation/disclosure is your friend. Just look at SM, he will most likely never be mentioned in the history books cause of his secrecy.(assuming his device is real)
Hi guys,
I've been away for a while but I take a peak now and then :)
GK grabbed my attention from gn0sis.com with a schematic using hall sensors, what has become of it?
InovationStation, I haven't seen your postings, did you accomplish something wonderful? I like you're picture.
Can somebody summarize?
1) Are we all thinking now that "kicks" are the high flyback voltage spikes, when current is interupted to an inductor?
2) Is the prefered method for the TPU, the Tesla rotating magnetic field configuration with 4 sector coils?
I'll be watching, and later contributing once I get the Bedini Motor behind me :)
Sincerely,
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on April 03, 2007, 04:13:23 PM
Can somebody summarize?
1) Are we all thinking now that "kicks" are the high flyback voltage spikes, when current is interupted to an inductor?
Yeap, but those are not just BEMF spikes, they are RE spikes too. This is true because you can still generate them even with a bifilar coil, which should have little to no BEMF. I did a very simple experiment to prove this and will post the details as soon as I get a chance.
Quote from: EMdevices on April 03, 2007, 04:13:23 PM
2) Is the prefered method for the TPU, the Tesla rotating magnetic field configuration with 4 sector coils?
That is just one way to do it. Think about the rotating field as a byproduct of what we are trying to accomplish. The ultimate goal is to smash the coils' fields up against eachother, this increases the BEMF spikes. But in a different way, the bifilar and anti-bifilar coils do the same thing. We produce a sharp potential gradient using the E and B fields, and when that gradient collapses sharply, that generates a very short, but powerful burst of radiant energy. Those bursts are all the meaningless spikes we have all been seeing on our collector coils.
Remember what Mr. Mark said, each spikes by itself doesn't amount to much but when you make enough of them, fast enough, then they will grow into a collectible power spike. Now add that in with the fact that each coil has its own unique frequency, which is proportional to the diameter, and what do you have? Well, for one thing, it is true that a small coil will have a very high resonant frequency, well into the Mhz. So what do you do if you want to make your coil resonate and you can't drive it directly?
Think Tesla Coil and resonant rise. In everyday tesla coils, one simply tunes the primary and secondary coils, and 'taps' the primary coil with a frequency that is some sub-harmonic of the system, and it will naturally run up to its natural resonant frequency. Tesla accomplished this with his fine-tuning of the spark gap length, but we can fine tune the TPU with the adjustment of the on time and frequency of the pulses. Just because we are pulsing in the kHz does not mean that the TPU coil is not running in the MHz! We need a fast moving field with lots and lots of spikes to accumulate enough to make some real current. So we have to learn how to tune the coils, control and collector coils, so that they will resonate with eachother... Think Tesla.
God Bless,
Jason O
Oh one other thing I aught to mention. A little self-triggering like the Bedini Schoolgirl motor might help too ;).
God Bless,
Jason O
@jdo300,
already working that angle :)
I am using the Bedini Window motor circuit and getting some interesting results.
And so the question arises, bang the coils, or run them sequentially.
it's good to see we are moving ahead nicely again.
A few pics of me playing with my coils.
Playing with the freq's is fun and I do see resonant nodes with gain, but no fireworks yet.
Now to go about capturing the negative spike into a cap... ;)
~D
Nice looking coils man :-). I'll post some pictures of the one I completed last night when i get home this evening :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Dansway,
Looks like your trying to replicate marco, er Turbo's unit there. Nice craftsmanship tho.
@Starcruiser,
The pancake coil is made with flat speaker cord that doubles back on itself. Then I have a tri-filar control warp over that.
I plan on feeding this pancake coil with 1,2 & 3 freq'a in combinations etc.
I was able to get a positive bias on my other coil last night, but was just sweeping various freq's and did not note anything down. I'll investigate that again soon. I was banging the coils together in series and at a small freq window, both postive and nagative pusles shifted to a 70/30 in favor of the positive side.
~Dan
Dansway,
On the large TPU how many wraps do you have per control coil? What is the resistance of each coil?
If you have 3 layers and 4 control coils per with a resistance of at least 1.5 ohms each, try connecting each layers control coils in series and then each layer in series with the next. Monitor the collectors (individually and in series). I am not sure what control circuits you are using but if you can put together a Bedini window motor controller, see diagram, use the feedback coil (if you have a 4 segment connect those in series as well) for the trigger, the results you get might interest you.
As a variation connect the control coils to bang against each other (polarities reversed so you have N-N and S-S) and try using the control circuit again (you may need to rewire the feedback segments to adjust their polarities). Let us know what you get.
:)
you can subsitute a NTE 123 for the MPS 8099 and use NTE 196 and 197 for the others (these are NPN and PNP audio drivers, good to 4 Mhz). DOn't forget to use a diode across the points C & D to shunt the BEMF. I tried it with and without and the transistors seem to handle it with out (so far).
Forgot to mention, omit the bridge rectifier, for now.
Quote from: Sauron on April 04, 2007, 01:29:50 AM
And so the question arises, bang the coils, or run them sequentially.
it's good to see we are moving ahead nicely again.
It is a question that gives me great pause. Like the three, or is it four, macaronis twisting about their centers of gravity; I wonder if these points enter into the diameter calculation.
Folks begin to question the arc on which they planted their hedges when faced with the need to trim them down. The height and the arc were previously derived together with all due giddiness.
@Starcruiser,
Thanks for the help. I am working on several things and will also work the Bedini circuits into the tpu.
John Bedini should be working on Mark's TPU....!
~Dan
Quote from: Dansway on April 04, 2007, 06:44:33 AM
A few pics of me playing with my coils.
Playing with the freq's is fun and I do see resonant nodes with gain, but no fireworks yet.
Now to go about capturing the negative spike into a cap... ;)
~D
Hi Dan, nice coils.
it reminds me of the o'l days.
it has it all,
*3 coils one on top of the other.
*3 control wires all the way around.
*the control wires perpendiculair around the collectors.
*run in multiple segments.
only thing which was buggin me those day's was each segment could be fed with a collector section to help.... etc.
nice work men.
Turbo
@giantkiller: Regarding 390,721: I see the two exciter shaft coils each giving a moving "impression" of their common static magnetic field, one ninety degrees behind the other, to the four generator ring coils. If the two generator shaft coils were shorted, like in the motor, then the generator shaft would try to "shadow" the movement of the exciter shaft in one direction. If the generator shaft were turned in the opposite direction, say with an 'unspecified' belt, then I wonder what shape the signals would make that pass to the motor and transformer.
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I'll be joining you guys shortly on testing. Work and our wedding this week has drug me down a bit. This is posted at 4am while getting ready for work, problem is it will be 5pm by the time I get back here to finish the circuit = (
Good work on the setup Dan, looks awesome.
Hello Everyone,
Ever wonder what biasing a coil/transformer does? Check out this excerpt from the Wikipedia page about transformers!
QuoteA steel core's remanence means that it retains a static magnetic field when power is removed. When power is then reapplied, the residual field will cause a high inrush current until the effect of the remanent magnetism is reduced, usually after a few cycles of the applied alternating current. Overcurrent protection devices such as fuses must be selected to allow this harmless inrush to pass. On transformers connected to long overhead power transmission lines, induced currents due to geomagnetic disturbances during solar storms can cause saturation of the core, and false operation of transformer protection devices.
So having a static magnetic field up against the transformer core actually adds a little bit of power to the transformer when it is first turned on. So if this static mag field is suppled by a small external magnet rather than the remanence of the core, then you get a small boost in power output for free :).
Just thought I'd toss that out to ya.
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
So when pulsing the TPU control coils, the addition of the magnet next to the collector and control coils will increase current production in the TPU, hmmm. That fits with my theory regarding my super pole control coil design and Jacob's theory on magnetic reconnection ... I think. Not sure if you read Jacob's thread over on Gn0sis' forum regarding Magnetic reconnection, using a super pole type coil arrangement. I also wonder if that external magnet would influence the rotation of the mag field, or is that left up to the geomagnetic field to do that? or is the rotation a result of beat frequency interaction?? Something to ponder.
Here is a link to some info on the Drake Model of magnetic reconnection.
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~drake/
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 05, 2007, 10:10:48 AM
So having a static magnetic field up against the transformer core actually adds a little bit of power to the transformer when it is first turned on. So if this static mag field is suppled by a small external magnet rather than the remanence of the core, then you get a small boost in power output for free :).
Just thought I'd toss that out to ya.
God Bless,
Jason O
Your post reminds me of a hurricane in Florida I witnessed a few years ago where all the surrounding electric transformers blew up. Instead of a few sparks from the transformers, they literally lit up like fireworks. Very interesting.
Hi Marco/Turbo!
Thanks for the tips.
I wish I could talk with you on Skype or Yahoo Messenger? Seriously....
~Dan
@All,
Based on present tuning work I am working on the basis that the TPU winder should start out with the collector and the controller wire being the same length or some integer based divisible ratio. This model only applies to a single collector layer.
I am working on a application that allows the user to enter the resonance ratio, the coil support material / substrate outside diameter, coil support material / substrate height, and the number of collector loops a coil could start out with.
The program will then calculate, based on a wire gauge table, the correct lengths of the collector length and the matching controller coil length in inches and millimeters.
Other data that appears is the number of control turns and if the rim distance * 4 will fit on the coil support material / substrate. A caveat here it something that Rosphere mentioned about each control coil spread across the substrate rim equadistant to the quandrant that each occupies or each turn specifically adjacent to the previous turn with no gap. In a bucking coil arrangement each controller coil should be touching its neighbor.
By playing with the resonance ratio, the program will show the correct ratiometric ramifications to the paired coils.
My final stage will show the on resonant percentage value into overunity or runaway. A value of 100% is self destruct. You must evacuate the area immediately!
I have tweeked the development using numerous coils of mine and other posters. So far it clearly shows why some work and some don't.
I will be working on the software through the week end and should have something to post next week about how this application will work as finished product.
It is extremely interesting to make enteries and see what the performance is for different winding parameters. One can get a clear view of how to start that is somewhat closer that just picking a wire, wrapping it up, a cutting off the ends to make the TPU look pretty, and expecting it to run. It just ain't happening. It all starts from the beginning. Plain and simple.
I thought I would add this to the tuning mix. The RB(resistor bridge) could be a TPU?
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/3364
Things are moving along quite nicely, eh? We are upto 30k hits. Thanks guys.
--giantkiller. Geeks rule! Losers drool!
GK,
Seems like a nice bit of work your up against. The only concern that I have is that without a working TPU how can you work this out. You may have everybody winding coils based on your calculations that may not be correct as far as a working TPU is concerned. Could be a huge waste of time for a lot of people. We are not even convinced if the TPU consists of three or four control windings. However, any helpful calculations based on wire length, coil diameter and resonant frequency could be very helpful. I like your enthusiasm but it seems to me that you are always two steps ahead. We need to wait until someone gets a unit working. Then we need to replicate it a few times. Now we can work on a spreadsheet to calculate the parameters.
Just my two cents.
Tim
This comfortable world we all live in was created by risk takers.
There's your sign... :D
--giantkiller.
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I have begun my physical model of GKTC1(tuned coil).
I start with (5) 23 foot lengths of 30awg magwire.
The first wire length is wound on a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) for 20 turns with about 4.5 inch leads.
Do not cut the ends but tape them down.
The last 4 lengths are the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each.
Fold each one in half to get the middle starting point and then wind in both directions RHR over the pvc and the collector coil.
Graduate the windings so each one takes up its whole quadrant of the pvc.
Do not cut the ends but tape them down.
And use a lighter to remove the varnish from the ends.
The control segments are jumpered equivilant to Tesla 390721 bucking coil transformer in the lower right hand corner of the patent diagram.
Now the collector and the control coils are the same mass.
This is a single layer.
I am going to drive this with a 555.
This is also used to verify the calculations and the application I am building. One should be able to change the wire gauge and get a TPU built from a spec sheet. We will see.
30 awg isn't tiring on the hands as it is a flying wire mess to deal with, besides being hard to see.
More updates later after I fire it up.
--giantkiller. I need a break right now.
Finally some tuning.. Thanks for the pics GK! Looks great.
This may help some folks understand coil winding http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/air_coils.html#flx @ inovation - good luck on your coil looks good . The lighting control usally runs at 2 to 5 MHz - be careful not to heat up the mofets. @ gk looks good was looking on paper with 2 coils like your setup it would be interesting to see what a coil 6 wraps around the middle as sorta a bias coil. Thank You Mike
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
...of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff)...
giantkiller,
Would you be so kind as to measure the wall thickness. While you have your scale in hand, what do you measure for ID and OD? (Just to verify the '4 inch sch-30 pvc' size for our friends overseas.) Thanks in advance.
Rosphere
Interesting idea GK, seems like it should match with the open TPU if the finer wire has the same mass as the stranded in that version.
Looking forward to your results
Looks like I woke some people up!
I pulsed straight off a 555 to a 50 ohm 5w with coil to ground.
The first picture shows leading and trailing edge kicks and rings. We can see the pulse train too.
But on a closely tuned coil the pulse train does not show up on the collector and you see nothing but kicks and ringing.
At this stage the v per div, amps, kick sizes doesn't matter. But here they are 500mv / div, 5.8ma, resonance at 400khz on a 5v circuit. What I am showing here is the mass of the collector and control copper equals.
Did I compute the turns electronically? No. Mechanically? No. Do what you want just don't change the mass.
I.D and O.D. doesn't matter. I just pulled shit off the shelf and turned it out, pulsed it, and viola! You get what you see. 11 hours worth of work.
The power out is after we get the trigger to ramp up to cyclical operation. I got scope shake. This thing wants to go higher.
It doesn't rotate a compass or move a buzzmag yet. 30 turns of 30 awg per quadrant is not enough.
Houston, we got progress. Sweet, eh?
--giantkiller. There will be no vicarious daydreaming here. Build.
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4. Do I come late!! :P
Look Great...
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...
giantkiller,
Please at least humor me with a wall thickness. I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.
Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz.
When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.
On second thought, let us have some fun with this. Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.
Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope. I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station. :-[
Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure. :D
Thanks man,
Rosphere
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Quote from: nong on April 07, 2007, 08:16:39 AM
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4. Do I come late!! :P
Look Great...
Thanks.
Nope. You power up by specs and don't touch the ring. It generates microwave. :o
Use Neodymium(neos) taped to a wooden stick as a tool.
OBTW check this out: http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm (http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm)
-giantkiller.
Quote from: Rosphere on April 07, 2007, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...
giantkiller,
Please at least humor me with a wall thickness. I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.
Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz. (See spreadsheet view below.)
When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.
On second thought, let us have some fun with this. Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.
Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope. I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station. :-[
Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure. :D
Thanks man,
Rosphere
Sorry for the fustration. I know you got the flu. Here ya go. Wall thickness.
--giantkiller. Envision, intend, relenquish, enjoy.
Thank you...
I'll not touch the ring...
When something out of the ordinary appears, one must ask with curiosity and not with prejudice.
--giantkiller. You can quote me.
Ok then, Just out of curiosity what did you discover?
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..
30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil. Where are the other 17 and a half feet? I am so confused.
Did you mean, (
2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?
If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.
Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?
This will be my last post for awhile. I will be far away from the grid for many a day. Be kind to one another. Post no crap. If you did, then take it down. Later, taters! :D
Rosphere
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If he is pulsing a coil to make a mag field, then he is probably takeing a mesurement from the vertical coil. which would read in the MV scale. from this he can see what the resonance of the field is from the tiney currant in the vertical coil, then drive the circuit with the correct freq. More of a magfield test IMHO than an attempt to gather any power. ;)
Quote from: Rosphere on April 07, 2007, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..
30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil. Where are the other 17 and a half feet? I am so confused.
Did you mean, (2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?
If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.
Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?
Rosphere[/b]
The control coils are 4 sections.
The bucking coils are nn ss all connected together.
@ 233khz I show:
the bucking coil input at 5v pulses
the horizontal collector at 650mv p2p
the vertical collector at 250mv p2p.
The bucking coils show a little ringing
The horizontal collector shows alot of ringing
The vertical collector shows the exact copy of the pulse but,
Although the voltage gets smaller the ringing gets better.
Must be close, eh?
No vibrations yet.
--giantkiller.
If you push with equally light pressure on the side of a water volume container at certain equadistance hits, eventually the water spills over the sides, not by your effort but by your timing.
We couldn't push water uphill now can we? That is how the rogue waves come into being.
--giantkiller.
Hello All,
It is nice to see all the progress that is being made so far. I'm currently out of town for the weekend so I don't get to do any experiments. However, I came across an interesting article that I thought would be worth your attention:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9222/ele.htm
It talks about how statically crossed E and B fields cause electrons to move in one direction in a wire! They say that it is converting the random heat motion into a unidirectional charge flow direction but this can easily be improved by using.... guess what... a static magnetic (B) field, and a pulsed electric field! This would be a perfect application for our control coils, which make all kinds of electrostatic spikes on our collectors.... SO throw in a magnet or a DC bias and you get unidirectional current flow at the right frequency!
Just some food for thought...
God Bless,
Jason O
Oops wrong set, does anybody know the way to the spacecrafts?
@ vader
i think if you take a left turn then a right one that will take you to the craft
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 08, 2007, 12:59:06 AM
Hello All,
It is nice to see all the progress that is being made so far. I'm currently out of town for the weekend so I don't get to do any experiments. However, I came across an interesting article that I thought would be worth your attention:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9222/ele.htm
It talks about how statically crossed E and B fields cause electrons to move in one direction in a wire! They say that it is converting the random heat motion into a unidirectional charge flow direction but this can easily be improved by using.... guess what... a static magnetic (B) field, and a pulsed electric field! This would be a perfect application for our control coils, which make all kinds of electrostatic spikes on our collectors.... SO throw in a magnet or a DC bias and you get unidirectional current flow at the right frequency!
Just some food for thought...
God Bless,
Jason O
Also, what about using 2 oscillators, one operating to generate the main Freq and the other to open the switch?
What I mean is, using one oscillator to trigger the next, one Osc operating at say 5khz and the other at say 7hz. The slower oscillator triggers the output of the higher one.
More food for thought.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 09:45:47 AM
@ vader i think you take a left turn then a right 1 and that will take to the craft
i think if you all want answers then study turbos rings
a picture of my latest ring project
a question for everyone
what do you think im going to put between the mag feilds?
is
If my eyes don't deceive me I'd say your mag wire is a subharmonic component of the larger wire by an evenly divisible factor corresponding to the mass.
Steel? The coils look like they are wired in a bucking configuration. Yeee! Cowboy!
And let me add this: All of your coils are physically very simple. So you must be onto the resonant rise step?
--giantkiller. Happy Easter.
hear is my 2 pictures the first just some of my wasted time and the second my 2 big kickers over 1kv each
Quote from: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 11:41:22 AM
steel right you are gk
all wires are 50 turns magwire did away with my last coil the square 1 as i donot need steel to get kicks with it any more my steel wire will be connected a special way and only used for 1 reason
2 more pictures i thought i would share the first just some of my wasted time and the second my 2 big kickers over 1kv each
is
There is no waste, only opportunites to learn. Great pile, guy! I am especially interested in the little TPU on a coil run at the left of the picture. Am already going down that road too. I believe that is the technology pertaining to the the photon torpedo cannon in the underside of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D.
--giantkiller. Never hurts to dream.
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Hello all,
did you know that you can have a rotational magnetic field with only 1 control coil???
See my test.jpg!!!
Otto
What Test jpg?
~Dan
yes, i did know that.
Otto can you do that with an DC current?
Quote from: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 11:56:49 PM
hers somthing to think about turbos ring and my meter
my input voltage is 12v 1000 ma out put of the ring is 26.4 volts ac and amps are in the pic
@ everyone you all still think this is a waste of time ?
on the collector ring i put 2 coils of steel wire top and bottom of 3 loops b4 i wound the control wires i take power out from the steel control wind and the steel collector loops
and the mesurements in the pic i did not post the voltage pic mabe i will tomorrow get a good long look this will not be here long !
btw there no electronics involved in this the pluse comes from my light puter
and im plusing both - and + at the same time and only 1 plused power supply
ist
Could you tell us how?
''pluse comes from my light puter
and im plusing both - and + at the same time and only 1 plused power supply''
a little more detail would be great, Thanks
Moab
help me understand your replication.
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 09:54:24 AM
ist is kindly asking turbo to come and help explain for the people as i do a poor job of it but i will try soon!
ist
Ok, i will fly a holding pattern. Waiting ;)
Hi Otto,
I do know that it is possible to make a rotating field with only one control coil. But as far as I understand, that requires a high frequency going through it. If you use two-conductor spearker wire as the single coil and run a single frequency in one conductor, and then come back and go into the other conductor, at some frequency (probably in the MHz depending on how long the coil is), you will get a 90 degree phase shift between the signal coming in from the frequency source and the frequency coming out of the first conductor and going into the second conductor. This might produce the rotating field since there would be a 90 degree lag between the signal in the first and second conductor :-).
Just my two cents worth. Could you give us more information about your findings?
God Bless,
Jason O
Hello all,
you dont need a high frequency to get a rotating field. Its only 5 - 10Hz and you can clearly see the little magnet over a collector coil spinning like a champ. Im using only a 1 turn collector and a 50 turn control coil. My test.jpg is here in this forum or at ctg labs at page 75 I think.
Of course this is achieved with pulses and they shoulde be DC.
You will soon have more informations.
Otto
Hi Otto,
Thanks for the tip. For those of us who aren't members over at the CTG Labs forum (or don't know where to look here), here's the picture Otto was talking about attached below... Now that I am taking a second look at this, there is something that I missed the first time around... need to retest this again...
God Bless,
Jason O
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"@ moab please remove my pics and i will make a new 1 showing all connections and explanations"
Ist
Go for it.
Moab.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 09:54:24 AM
ist is kindly asking turbo to come and help explain for the people as i do a poor job of it but i will try soon!
ist
What do you want me to explain?! it is your tpu and i can't even see how it is wired or how you are driving it...
Turbo
Amen to that!
Welcome Back Turbo
it is plused with my lite chaser
"light chaser"
Yeah, Redneck's have those running their Christmas lights on their front porches year-round.
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and...
Hey Grumpy , I was messing around with the coil your were talking about . I will message you in 3.2021 hours to let you know what I found. No time right now.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...
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Band: "Lords Of The New Church"
Title: "Open Your Eyes"
(some time in the early 1990's - don't think they had any other hits)
(Bator/James)
Video games train the kids for war.
Army chic in high-fashion stores.
Law and order's done their job.
Prisons filled while the rich still rob.
Assassination politics.
Violence rules within' our nation's midst.
Well ignorance is their power tool.
You'll only know what they want you to know.
The television cannot lie.
Controlling media with smokescreen eyes.
Nuclear politicians picture show.
The acting's lousy but the blind don't know.
They scare us all with threats of war.
So we forget just how bad things are.
You taste the fear when you're all alone.
They gonna git'cha when you're on your own.
The silence of conspiracy.
Slaughtered on the altar of apathy.
You gotta wake up from your sleep.
'Cause meek inherits earth...six feet deep.
Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya.
Open your eyes.....
Hi all,
I suggest that everybody does Otto's test.....exactly as he drew it.
Dont bother making circles of them,using tubes, changing materials,or adding windings. YET! ....just do the test! and see where your nose takes you.
I found it very interesting.
Lindsay
This is turning out like a Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey free for all cat fight at a frontyard shotgun garage sale.
We all have a purpose and potential. Looks like everybody's come back home. Just like family. The good, the bad and the ugly.
So who is the prom queen in this homecoming parade?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 05:32:39 PM
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...
@Grumpy
Do you have a more difinitive time on that?
Quote from: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
give me a break as it is supper time and i have 2 kids
ist
I am sure kids are welcome. I am bringing mine but the wife can stay behind!
AM
I believe it was Turbo that just came home "GK" eh
More beer
IronHead
Turbo,
What makes this flower grow?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
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Dang! Here I am working on an HHO cell and i missed the party.
Good to see you Otto, Grumpy, Geez seems like Old times when i was just a lurker. A way back when,,lol, Hey Ironhead pass me a cold one, Do i smell a BBQ,?
Moab.M
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IS,
I may not be completely correct but I think all you have here is a step up transformer. Also, you are taking the current reading without any load. By taking the reading where you are also taking the voltage reading, you are actually shorting out your coil. By getting a current reading of 2.?? amps on a direct short, I don't think you would end up with much current under load. Try putting a 24V bulb in the circuit and measure the current in series with the bulb. Please let us know what you come up with.
Tim
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IS,
I'm sorry I guess I don't really follow your logic. I can't see how your chaser which is switching 110VAC into a 12VDC power adapter is feeding a coil that is wrapped beside a steel wire is giving you 24 volts at over 2 amps.
First of all, I do not think your chaser is switching very fast. Also, the power adapter needs to build up and bleed out the 12V. So even if the chaser switched quickly, the adapter would never completely turn on and off.
You cannot take voltage and current readings from the same connection. You need to run the coil under load. Put a bulb on your coil. Take the voltage reading across the bulb and the current reading in series with the bulb.
Before getting to complicated in it's workings, you should do some basic electrical/electronic tests to prove your results.
Just give it a try.
Tim
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So, you are getting out exactly what you are putting in.
I think you need to get your hands on a better switching circuit.
I am pretty sure that it will help you in your experiments.
Tim
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Here's your sign...
A coil in resonance. Not enough turns.
--giantkiller.
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Hello all,
@Jason
thanks for the piicture. Yesterday I had only a minute to be online and could not find my picture.
As Mr. Mannix said, make such a coil, make tests. I can say I made hundreds of such tests and learned a lot about coils.
Make first 1 coil then another and of course a 3. coil and through this coils a lamp wire, look what will happen, just play. For winding such coils you will need only a few minutes.
Otto
hey IST, if your puter/coil is putting out 26volt 1200ma and you are putting in 12 volt 1200ma then you might have discoverd something new.
i never used such driving equipment.
Turbo
it seams to be some kind of an invertor or convertor from dc to ac at dubble the voltage humm strange!
hear is a pic of it
i put 12v dc 1200ma and it gave me back 26.4 v ac
@Otto...
Fun with coils the otto way...!
~Dan
Hello Dan,
I hope you connected everything like in the picture.
Now, pulse this coil with 1 frequency, then with 2 and then with 3 frequencies.
Play with the coils, think how to make a TPU.... how many coils for the TPU....
Otto
Dan,
Those are pretty neat looking ( Bow tie? ) coils. Are they all lamp wire?
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
why just beat around the bush i know you guys konw it why not give it to the world
Profound knowledge in the wrong hands will only result in disaster. The world of Tesla is no different than the one we live in today. Mankind still hungers for power and is overcome with greed.
Exploding TV sets kill people, so can exploding rings.
+1
IronHead
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among other things if not built proper . Like ripping cells apart in the human body.
Do you know why things like microwaves give a person a migraine headache. Because the cells in your brain expand .
Ok I'm done here , was just agreeing with Grumpy is all
IronHead
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Pay attention . I said if not built proper
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It is a big world out there man!
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Bedini's stuff hasn't killed anyone that I know of and you can bet your ass that what he has released is only the tip of the iceberg.
RE in knowledgable hands is viable and there is more than one way to grab the dragon by the tail.
Hell, GK is lucky he didn't get nerve damage and he was just screwing around with high freq induction.
I_S you are correct that there are factions that do not want this out and you do not want them in your business.
Maybe Turbo has the goods, maybe he fooled everyone, maybe both - either way - he ain't talkin'. He listed several references.
Why not give them a revolver with three bullets in it, let them play Russian Roulette, results would be about the same.
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 12:08:05 AM
gk what coil might be you are testing?
A 4" pvc ring 1" high with 20 turns around the circumference of 30awg magnet wire @ 233khz from a 555 @ 5 volts through a 50 ohm 5 watt resistor.
Pretty simple.
--giantkiller.
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who knows how many rings where build properly?
but then again, what is a properly build ring without the proper driving?
who knows how many rings are running as we speak........
there certainly is enough information available to make a good start.
Turbo
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Quote from: turbo on April 10, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
there certainly is enough information available to make a good start.
Apparently not.
like in the exploding television it is more a matter of an incontrolable reaction.
if you have a runaway effect and you are not able to control it, the chance of resulting in a disaster is present.
you need to say go to here ,stay there and do not go any further.
when something fails or changes like the weather and you did not expect it to happen for what reason ever,and it goes further the chance of resulting in a disaster is present.
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Quote from: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
why just beat around the bush i know you guys konw it why not give it to the world
Profound knowledge in the wrong hands will only result in disaster. The world of Tesla is no different than the one we live in today. Mankind still hungers for power and is overcome with greed.
Exploding TV sets kill people, so can exploding rings.
Don't let fear cloud your thinking. There are more benefits than consequences when it comes to free energy. The world we live in today is different from Tesla's. We are in the information age where people share knowledge and ideas freely through the Internet. The next logical step should be a revolution towards energy independence.
There will always be party poopers that want to spoil the fun for everyone. Should we allow them to make us live in a constant state of fear? Humankind needs free energy to live in peace, prosper and explore the stars. Without it, our current problems will never improve.
Sauron has a good point IS. We don't want people to get hurt working with this stuff. We may look at it as just tinkering but if you think about it, we are really playing with fire here. And the only way to respect it is to work with it in a safe way.
This is one of the reasons why I am glad that all the answers were not just given right out to us all (as crazy as that sounds). It forces me to do my own experiments and go on my own learning curve to not only understand what I am dealing with, but also get a goo feel for it. No equations or theories can ever hold up good old-fashioned experience and empirical tests. I'm a big believer in understanding what I'm doing, and not just doing it. Sure it gets frustrating sometimes but one learns so much along the way from stumbling and bumbling, you have much more respect (and understanding) for the technology when you finally do get something that works.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 12:51:48 PM
thanks gk but im done with it this is for real
good luck i beleave i have done all i can with my skills
i hope you guys figure it out for the sake of our world
is team not quiting but moveing on to somthing elese
Whether you realize it or not: "You've only just begun". Think about this:
"And just where the hell do you think you're going to go that tops the ramifications of this project?" There are no alternatives! The steps you've taken fit in at another point in this device. Do not be dismayed. You are just ahead a little bit. Sit back and help others. It looks like you have enough proof for where your abilities fit.
--giantkiller. Take a break and smell the roses.
I suggest duplicating what turbo initially showed since following Bedini's and SM paths hasn't worked out.
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Hey Nice coil IS.. I did in fact miss that one. What kind of results did you get with it?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi IS,
Why do you keep removing your posts? That makes it very hard for me and others to follow the discussion if we are not online every waking minute of the day. I am very interested in your work but it is very hard to keep up with your posts when they are so fragmented.
God Bless,
Jason O
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At first I ignored your post but it got me so angry that I have to respnd.
Stop being a nini!
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P.S. modified as per ist's request.
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If anyone has any useful/solid information that wants to post but are worried about doing so, either pm me with the info and I will post it for you or,
Alternatively, go to an internet cafe, create a new account, post your files and don't use that cafe or account again.
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Quote from: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 11:13:21 AM
among other things if not built proper . Like ripping cells apart in the human body.
Do you know why things like microwaves give a person a migraine headache. Because the cells in your brain expand .
Ok I'm done here , was just agreeing with Grumpy is all
IronHead
I absolutely agree, experiments performed haphazardly is hazardous, professional work = safe & professional design. I jumped in with both feet in a rush for the brass ring, now I have a LOUD and continous ringing in my ears, I,m hoping it will ease in a few weeks, that,s why I have stopped experimenting with this until I put in place certain safety protocols.
Maybe there should be a thread dedicated to that (and make it a sticky)
joe
Yo, Dude Dirt!,
I expressed safety numerous times. Danswaay turned his on last night and felt the hair rise on the back of his neck, funny tingly feeling over is right test hand, and a numbness in his right face.
Now for the rest of you out there in this thread I have it from a qualified source that those who have felt the
love of the TPU have stuck their body parts in Hi RF and microwave fields. It is not cool to hold your head in your hands and wonder why you feel funny. The
electronic hangover (I just coined a new party term) can last for days. it is immense, intense. So much so you look like sh*t the whole time.
So please don't go there or you can work in my lab, I'll call you Igor and you can dance around funny for the rest of your days. My trick fell a rocket out of the sky and my brain out of my skull. OOOh, am I proud!
If I have to, I will find you and slap you around.
--giantkiller. And remember: It's stupid out there. Don't join 'em!
The problem is that the ones that need to heed your warnings wont.
But all should listen. Just one dance with the wrong freq could cost you for a long time. it isnt worth being foolish. If you dont understand what your messing with. leave it alone.
Quote from: Moab on April 10, 2007, 09:21:11 PM
The problem is that the ones that need to heed your warnings wont.
But all should listen. Just one dance with the wrong freq could cost you for a long time. it isnt worth being foolish. If you dont understand what your messing with. leave it alone.
yeh, we call 'em lab rats.
--giantkiller.
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gk,
you want a concrete bunker? how thick do you want it? we can build it in a tilt panel fashion maybe four days max!!!! all we need is a few boards scraped every day, to form up the panels. a few pieces of rebar scrapped eveyday. and some concrete. what do you think?
lol
sam
ps. oh and just a few hours of crane time and a place to put it.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:37:25 PM
safety has been my concern from day 1 on this i have ran my ring only a few times and have expercienced the numbness as well but im a lucky 1 as my flashes are not fast enough but still can harm
the other safty is exposing this publicaly
that is why i post my thoughts on this and remove because you who are waching can see and learn but you who dont know or dont follow will not see because im sure i have been verry close all along
that is the only explanation for the problems i have had earlyer along
remember safety first
is TEAM!!
Kicks are not only close but consider it done. Now make a ring with 2 pieces of wire the same length or the control wire a multiple there of. The collector loop is wound around a 4"pvc 1 inch high ring. Cut the other wires in 4 equals pieces. They will become the control segments. Fold each 1 in half and wind each controller from center on out. Why? because you don't cut the wires and you end up with equal length leads. When you have the 4 wound, connect according to 390721 bucking coil config. This is in the pic I posted. Collector is 30awg - 23 feet and my new control is 26awg 3x the collector length- 69 feet.
Then wind a matching collector coil on another pvc ring. This will be your antenna. It stands vertically in coil #1.
When you get this done we can progress to the next step. Some are already there.
@IS,
Have no fear. The rest of world knows now. Post in safety now. We will be extracting power shortly. That is where your experience will come into play. Things are well spread out amongst a large number of posters.
I noticed in your last pic you had all the control coils wired as bucking/opposing. You should be getting something out of that coil! I am wiring up one right now. The only thing you need to be sure of is that the total control length is equal or greater by a 3,6,9,18 multiple of the collector. Also think mass. By using the gauge wire you used you avoided meltdown.
--giantkiller.
So my pvc circumference is +-12.75. 1 control coil segment should be 3.12 inches long. My first 1 is 2 inches. I have a gap. I can add more segments as long as the total control wire is stays as a multiple of the collector. Tuning. I would simply connect up the new segments as bucking/opposing. And what do you suppose that would look like? IS put your coil pic back out and leave it.
Don't worry... Now there are 2. If your coil is not built with matching coils then you have nothing to fear. But whoever reproduces Inno_ST coil tuned will have a real problem! Maybe they won't even get a chance to post. And you were worried about the MIB? You'ld already be dead. You'd take up smoking for your last wish.
--giantkiller. Any takers? Danger, Will Robinson!
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Hello All,
As a mentioned a few pages back. I had done a simple coil test (along the lines of what Otto did), to prove a very basic point; that biasing and open circuiting the collector actually does something. I won?t explain this much as the photos and scope shots speak for themselves. But the basic conclusion is that bifilar collector = Good for DC; shorted collector = Bad for DC.
Here are the specs for my setup.
Pulse Coil: 50 turns of 20 gauge magnet wire wrapped on a wooden ruler
Collector coil: 14.5 inches long, speaker wire from RadioShack, stranded.
Pulse Input specs:
Approximate Input Specs
- Square wave
~ 2.25 kHz
~ 10V pk/pk
~ 3V RMS
~ 10V pk/pk
Pulse on time: 52 μS
NOTE: Pulse circuit switches 1000 μF, 100V DC cap into coil, which is replenished by my DC power supply.
NOTE: All measurements taken across a 2 KΩ carbon resistor.
God Bless,
Jason O
A couople more things. Oddly enough the waveform across the resistor always looks upside down no matter which way I connect the scope probes, though connecting across the pulse circuit output the right way 'round does give me a positive waveform.
Also, the biasing on the open-circuited collector was accomplished because my scope probe is grounded which gives the collector a slight voltage potential between the conductor with the ground probe attached and the conductor that is free-floating in the air.
Lastly, my pulse circuit is a dual-channel pulsar but I am only using the bottom channel for pulsing the coil.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello all,
over a year long I thought Im working with a group of nice people that wants a TPU. Now I see Im working with a group of nice people that DONT want a TPU.
Its your fault, not mine!!!
@Jason
have you connected one end of the collector to the pulses too, if not so do it.
Otto
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well I would like to thank Mr. Mark for what seems to be a great discovery. However I am a little irritated that he sold out. And now leaves the rest of the world to try and rediscover what he did. So now more time is killed. I hope the people on this site keep up the R&D, and hope that they are able to figure it out. Its as if Tesla created A/C showed it to us, and then shelved the design saying "well I sold it to someone who isn't releasing it, what can I do? use dc until you can figure it out"
@d3adp00l
That may be true, but we will figure this out.
I for one, am grateful to Mr. Mark for coming forward to give us the clues. Mr. Mark did not have to do that. Thanks again Mr. Mark! ....and to you too Lindsay.
The TPU is a simple little critter, but must be tuned and there are several ways to build it.
Yes, it would be great if Steven Mark held a conference somewhere and taught 'exactly' how to build this device, but that is not going to happen.
So we continue down this road...
~Dan
Hello all,
@IS
you have copper wire???? Wind a 50 turn coil over your 2 fingers.
Connect 1 end to +12V, the other end of this coil + (plus) 1 end of your collector to the pulses.
The collector should be a litz wire, or lamp wire. It dont need to be a ring. The lenght of this "collector" is not important. This "collector" needs to be insulated because its going through the control coil. See what happens. Puls the 50 turns wire with 1 then 2 and then 3 frequencies. What happens??? Of course you have to connect a 24V/5W bulb as in the picture. If you dont want the other end of the bulb connected to a minus then connect it to the + from the power supply, its the same.
This all canbe done in a few minutes. Please tell us what you see. Then we will make the next step.
I also dont want to mislead the guys and that was the reason I didnt post a long time about my work. So far you did a great job with the TPU.
Otto
Hi Otto,
I will definitely try that when I get home tonight. ONe thing I wanted to ask you is if the pulsed input voltage should be higher than the DC supply voltage or is the pulsed frequency connected to the negative side of the DC source?
Thanks,
Jason O
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Hey sounds good man. Looks like you beat me to it :).
hello otto i did your little test and it seams to me to be the hall effect
Hello all,
finally!!!
Tomorrow I will post a better picture of my test.jpg.
@Is
of course I would like to shake your both hands
@Jason,
input voltage from the power supply is 12V and the pulses can be 5V. The pulses are connected to 1 side of the 50 turns coil AND to 1 end of the collector. This collector is a lamp wire and you use only 1 strand. The collector goes through the control coil (50 turns coil). Thats all.
Tomorrow, as said, you will have a better picture and a little test. With this next test you will have a lot of fun.
Otto
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@All,
The best team is made up of the widest diversity, the best results are made up of the most cohesive coherance.
@IS,
Thanks for putting your pix up.
--giantkiller. It is a good day to make it the best day!
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CONGRATS INNOVATION------- good job NEVER GIVE UP I'll be posting some diagrams soon just getting the art work done . I knew you could sick in there !! If was easy someone else would be doing it !! pat on the back there . YES safty first. Thanks Mike
RUN eddy electron RUN
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 01:52:05 PM
do not think that just because we know how it works that we have figured it all out!!
there is much more to it than what we have seen so far
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Congratulations IS !!
Can you please explain "how it works".
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Let me put this to any of you as plainly as can be:
There are different stages to this thread:
There are quiet times, individual times, group times, design banter, creation times and times of relevancy. When the group comes together in it's largest coalition that is when the noise appears. It's like we have to be on guard when we come to an agreement. Someone pops up and flicks matches into the mix. At this point in time we all have our ideas and know what is necessary to keep this going. That is enough said. This has no completion and has no stopping point to satisfy all of this. Any one individual should have their place of completion or satisfaction. The outcome of what this device brings has been reiterated many times. We will keep moving on. If you are not in the mix stay out of the bowl. This thread has seen maximum activity in the last 2 weeks and we are moving in a very positive direction for such a diverse group. And that is good. This has all come about by those who have built and contributed their expertise. And that is an even better thing. Let's not cowtow to any noise or invite any negativity into our path.
Let's keep our focus.
--giantkiller. No pop-ups, please.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 02:19:41 PM
@ grumpy can you explain the hall effect for the people as you are verry knowalegeable
when I first read that, I was going to reply with:
"Hall Effect? and I thought it was massless potential"
The Hall Effect, is the variation in voltage potential across a conductor when moving through a perpendicualr magnetic field, or to quote Wilkipedia:
"The Hall effect refers to the potential difference (Hall voltage) on the opposite sides of an electrical conductor through which an electric current is flowing, created by a magnetic field applied perpendicular to the current. Edwin Hall discovered this effect in 1879."
Back to memory again, a magnetic field causes electrons to curve to the side and if the field is strong enough (like in an electron trap) the electrons get stuck in the field and go round and round (Marinov's MAGVID uses this effect to great advantage.) So, the magnetic field is casuing the electrons to move to the side and this creates the difference in potential that Hall discovered.
What do you really have? What is the power (current x voltage) in verses the power out? Making a light get brighter or dimmer is not quantitative unless you are lighting a 110v or 220v bulb off a 9v battery.
hear is a link of a video explaining the hall effect
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3J_ItiDmnG8
hi guys
new to posting but not new to sight.
thanks to gks file i now have a 3 layer tpu wired to ottos specs.
now if one of you all gould kindly pm me with a driver diagram. i will try to catch up.
and talk about uses. could put a small unit in an electric stove to cook with, or put one in a heater to warm with. the list can go on. does not have to be a big one. LET'S PROGRESS FROM HERE
thanks to all
wer
Hi all,
It is good that people are finally seeing the good work that Otto has done.
It was about 7 months ago that he first posted it!
Thanks Jason!
It is a starting gate that we are entering..not the finnish (sorry GK! lol)
Be aware that there are no TPU experts except for perhaps 1 person and I believe that the TPU project was not really finnished ..eg Heat problems,etc.
Carefull experiments and sharing the info is what will work here.
Be advised of just how difficult it is to put simple ideas foward,I use Ottos test as just one clear example.
If you see it as a "cash cow" just rememberer that the technology is already "owned".
Perhaps TPU classes could be something that people might pay you for.... It is early days.
In one way we may be forcing the official release of Stevens discovery. Let's see ...so very much to learn.
There will be many things to discover and learn, For most of us this is probably the first REAL "new" technology that we have ever really been involved with.
We can all see that just because something is put in our face does not mean that we will be able to comprehend it properly.
It is likley that people will be puttimg themselves in danger as they continue with this..Take personal responsibility or walk away ..NOW!
Be mindful of people who will drag this thread down and claim to understand TPU's none of us do.....YET.
Me?? I just KNOW they work.
We are however, killing each other over oil. and gassing ourselves to death in the process.That I do understand!
Take care of each other,
Lindsay Mannix
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Quote from: weri812 on April 11, 2007, 03:21:10 PM
hi guys
new to posting but not new to sight.
thanks to gks file i now have a 3 layer tpu wired to ottos specs.
now if one of you all gould kindly pm me with a driver diagram. i will try to catch up.
and talk about uses. could put a small unit in an electric stove to cook with, or put one in a heater to warm with. the list can go on. does not have to be a big one. LET'S PROGRESS FROM HERE
thanks to all
wer
And those forward looking statements are exactly what are expected. Does anyone see these hanging on a wall as a air core speaker? Or as dymanic art or mood generator? Trash anihilator, Some kind of molecular inhibitor or exciter?
--giantkiller. The fun is just beginning.
I seem to see more posts saying that Green Iron Garden Wire works better for the Collector Coil than copper does. Am I right on that because I am really stuck?
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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your Sky?
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hy mannix and gk and all
have a look at this for cooling
http://gruntville.com/reviews/wc/vm_pcice/page2.php
could use with hi temp teflon tubes nonconductive and non magnetic
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@innovation ---Wound counter clock wise ? not sure ........... heres a wire layout that i came up with. The orange circles are wires that may not be used but put them in for future reference. I tried to keep things color coded to make it easier to follow. any feed back will be appreciated. this is on a two coil TPU - the bottom coils need to be shifted to center up on the top coils. It was just easier to draw it this way. @ otto - thank you , In my early days of Ham radio it comes back to me seems we built this coil to boost our antena output , was just a cheep way to do it we were poooo back then LOL. There are just so many post I missed it and some times i don't log on so i didn't see the JGP image. thanks again Mike
the hall effect is a verz important issue. The big generator had a metal plate underneath ...aluminium? it has a positive charge - while coper is negative
Coper:-5,3?10-11 m3/C.
Aluminium: +9,9?10-11 m3/C
Maybee we should try with aluminium wire? or base plate?
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I have tried Otto's coil test with a MOSFET-based pulser. The only thing that happened was that I blew up the MOSFET driver chip! :(
What kind of pulser circuit is supposed to be used here? An H-bridge? My MOSFET is just acting like a switch between the 'pulse' connection and ground right now.
It's good to see some action around here; I hope to start contributing soon. ;)
Thanks!
Eldarion
Hall Effect eah? Hmm. who woulda thought.
ALUKA SAID: The hall effect is a verz important issue. The big generator had a metal plate underneath ...aluminium? it has a positive charge - while coper is negative.
Coper:-5,3?10-11 m3/C. Aluminium: +9,9?10-11 m3/C.
Maybee we should try with aluminium wire? or base plate?
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Good Points. Here is a VERY interesting video where the Physicist claims that Aluminum has Free Energy properties.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3017194771837860523&q=William+Lyne&hl=en
He even describes how he got some major OverUnity from a house Watt-Hour Meter that uses an aluminum rotating disc inside. Is it possible that SM used aluminum wire in any of his main coils???
ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
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I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.
Anonymity is your only defense and that is not enough.
It is harder to control 100 people scattered across the globe than one.
On a separate note:
Read the first 30 post of "turbo" and the file I posted several times regarding the comments that SM made about Tao's explanation of the TPU.
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Quote from: HopeForHumanity on April 12, 2007, 12:00:04 AM
I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.
Wow you just saved us all.....what weapons would you suggest? ROLF
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well Giantkiller is pretty safe.....
when somebody goes to him he will be facing a collection of stunguns ;D
well Giantkiller is pretty safe.....
when somebody goes to him he will be facing a collection of stunguns ;D
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Now thats funny, I dont care who ya are!
Git-r-done
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@Innovation - It's nice you like this forum and it might be a little over your miens of your thought. i do appreciate your tenacity but this is - like - if you do this if you don't know the fr q's your dealing with please leave it alone -- your information might hurt someone , you mean good --- but there some property's that have to be Delta wiTH..@ Grumpy doooo 180 in the azimuth is 30 clocks tell time but if we roll 2 steel cylinders @ 26 TH rpm WE GET Electron repulsion that make the steal ball float .. mmm when i met this physicist at a bar in Boca ration ,Fla i spoke to him about the prodject i was working in. i was firing molecular particles at a furnace rated @ 100,000 DR, HE ASK ME HOW I DID THIS AND I TOLD HIM , in order to get heavy metals out of the atmosphere we need to do some drastic steps. that was more than ten years ago , i said i give you this information so you share this with everyone , well that didn't happen ask OWENS in Atlanta GA. you folks are our future .we need to make our children's future ....big business is bigger than we are .. believe me then there done that .....greed is our doun fall ......hay papaa we been hosed daah not again ..........
Quote from: Mannix on April 12, 2007, 12:50:10 AM
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on April 12, 2007, 12:00:04 AM
I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.
Wow you just saved us all.....what weapons would you suggest? ROLF
....dahh well thats simple we just take microwave ciols and aling them 100 dr to 25 drg and skew them back 25 them squat them through a hole in 3 magnets at 180 dr ah amie them at each other (scaler)...... and there you go no atomic bomb you did yourself in
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That,s good, I never thought of doing it that way----over.
Wow!!!
Waiting for news ;D
Just some Morsels for the code geeks.
--giantkiller. ...---...
Anybody catch the Radiant Energy reference in Sauron's avatar?
Isn't that a 4 leaf clover there also? How about a 4 segment TPU?
What are Qadesh and Anubis holding, personal TPUs?
--giantkiller. You guys sure are clever!
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i don't think my avatar is about radiant energy.
i think it's about some sort of tunning forks and harmonics.
let us read some more important words from the intelligent man who did it, again,
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of
ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten.
The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at.
Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you
fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile it
will bounce off.
However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic
flux.
what if you disable the effects of the flux? disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light?
My unit operates on these principles.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed.
12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge.
But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed.
Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles.
Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
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You never cease to amaze me, nice!
Is that xistors GK is referring to?
ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.
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morse code, i'm rusty
Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 02:26:19 PM
well fokes it seams i donot understand your geek language!
im no coder
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http://www.scout.ch/peter&paul/morse.htm (http://www.scout.ch/peter&paul/morse.htm) 8)
The different TPU's of steven Have differend windings, there is the open one from the garage with 4 upright inner coils and 2 rings and a center coil?. The very small one is closed ( Aluminium Plate? ) with a tiny hole. The big one is mounted on a steel or aluminium plate. mmmh.... someone did a drawing of the magnetic flux? i Think where we have to start.
here is a simple one ( 3D Maxwell is better of course). How has the the fow to bee to have a magnetic Vortex?
why Aluminium? if you wind 22rounds of coper 6 inch diam. place it on a heavy Aluminium Plate and plug it into 110 AC it floats!!! it hovers over the plate ( and get hot....)(//)
@aluka
that is a real intresting picture you have drawn there
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 03:56:54 PM
thanks i played the little morse code game sub speed in the text to..... and that is the key?
just incase anyone liked my thoughts then remember to save them becaust there gone!!
i can proudly say i no longer care how the hell this thing works there is too much bullshit with it to care any more
hell with it
ist
Alot of us have been here a long time and every so often a little geek comedy pops up. We like to have fun also. So enjoy it. Things aren't that bad that we have to beat our brothers about the shoulders. Who here would like to be judged?
--giantkiller.
IS,
For one thing... Don't expect to get anything out of any new technology without persistence. You seem to throw in the towel waay to quickly. You will only know what is true and what is not by performing your own experiments. This is all about empirical testing here. Yes it would be great if we could all pin-point the exact nature of the energy source and predict its behavior before testing, but what if we can't? The point here is that we can characterize the thing after we get it running. No time for armchair theorizing. We just need to roll up our sleeves and put in some time on the lab bench. Learn from what others have done and go from there. We have all made a lot of progress. We just need to work with what effects we have seen so far and go from there.
Nobody said it would be easy....
Now with that being said. there is something that everyone here needs to pay close attention to. When you make your coils, be sure to tune them Mass to Mass. What does this mean? Look at Sauron's avatar again. Those tuning forks mean a whole lot more than RE. Try NMR. Nuclear magnetic resonance. That's what causes one tuning fork to hum when another tuned one is placed next to it. Look into it and you might be surprised at what you find... Just think, if one could make a piece of wire do what those tuning forks do... Levitation? Inertial effects? Gyroscopic effects? 7.8 Hz locked resonance maybe....
God Bless,
Jason O
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 03:44:57 PM
am i thinking too hard on this ? is it just the hall effect and nothing more? or is it a combination of my earlyer thoughts
are we harvesting kicks and all that crazy stuff
where is everyones thoughts
i have seen none
ist
Sauron has made it clear, and you have to unlearn in order to learn.
(this concept is not a toy, and won,t be spelled out for all to see)
i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic does not make me a less a man. so i need the clear instructions to build one or more of these because i need them and do not need to be a slave to the economy. with proper instructions i can build one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks
wer
Let this be known:
When this device is totally described, the building will be disseminated to those that can. It is bound to happen. Everbody has a place in the scheme of things. Patience is the key. What are you waiting for? The description to be finalized with the right steps.
For those on the forefront: Are we not bustin' our butts? Late nights, lack of sleep, lots of conferences, buying parts, scoping shots, confering results, winding coils, testing, it goes on.
--giantkiller. This project will progress to fruition.
IS,
Here is the bottom line. We are all here to help eachother. There are no teachers and no moochers, only collaborators. So if you don't share the same point of view, then I would say that it is not worth your time and energy to spend on this. However, if you are genuinely interested in pursuing this with the rest of us, then by all means do so. But trust me, there is a LOT more work going on here in the background then what you see being posted...
That you can be sure of...
God Bless,
Jason O
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hi is
thanksÃ, if you belive in the tech then hang in there.Ã,Â
thanks to gk i have a tpu put togeatherÃ, i will post a pictureÃ, when i get home.Ã, i do not have a driver boardÃ, Ã, i did askÃ, for some help on that, got no answer.Ã, i have to work on this real slowÃ, because i have no fundsÃ, so it will take me awile to build a board.Ã, i have read all 100 pages here, and allÃ, 47 pages of tao post, all 147 pages of sm post so i am not new to this sight.Ã, i also have all of is's post and otto's. so i am not leaving.
so with the help from this board and otheÃ, sites i willÃ, have oneÃ, in dew time
wer
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fallow otto as he can speak of it and he has serval working tpu's
ist
Quite intresting..... can Otto confirm this?
hi is
thank again
otto confirm
the tpu is not the only project i am working on. working on a tesla turbine and a 10kw gen set. if the tpu was working i would not need a gen set. all so working with hydrogin on demand.
wer
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Hi IS,
I do agree with you. There is a lot of information on this thread that could be misleading to many newcommers. I would, however, be very interested in hearing about what geometry you believe is the best. As far as I can tell, you seem to like the design that Turbo has made. Were you able to get any interesting effects out of it?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Quote from: weri812 on April 12, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic does not make me a less a man.
thanks
wer
hi, maybe it is safer for you to wait untill they reach the surface and you can buy one thats safe, maybe even be alot cheaper too.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 05:46:24 PM
you now own yourself a wrong tpu form all the missleading garbage around here
is TEAM!!
i am continiously repeating Steven the inventor his own words....not mine ,do you really think he is misleading us?
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@ sauron remove my words from your quote
i think the only misleading garbage around here is posted by you....
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hi is
thanks if you belive in the tech then hang in there.
thanks to gk i have a tpu put togeather i will post a picture when i get home. i do not have a driver board i did ask for some help on that, got no answer. i have to work on this real slow because i have no funds so it will take me awile to build a board. i have read all 100 pages here, and all 47 pages of tao post, all 147 pages of sm post so i am not new to this sight. i also have all of is's post and otto's. so i am not leaving.
so with the help from this board and othe sites i will have one in dew time
wer
Hi,
A simple drive circuit would a 555 thru a 1k down to 50 ohm resistor to the controls in a series or bucking config. Put a scope on it and change the freqs. I would love to see your pics. This set up would be cheap to do if you have a scope. Other wise it is impossible. It is not whether your attempts are right or wrong it is that you tried.
The latest experiment is:
The total controller length matches the collector length or some multiple there of. Why? We are getting to match the two coil weights. Some snipping or clipping would occur. Count your turns. Why? resonance rise.
I prefer what @IS has physically because that is the config of the GK4 also. Fat collectors with low gauge controllers. It still follows Otto's circuit with the coil around the same input line. It produces kicks. I have seen this on a number of scopes around the world. And even those that don't post scope shots have said the same thing.
Look at the pvc based ring that I posted. The vertical one is a matching collector. The scope goes on that one. When you see kicks in the secondary collector ring you will have reached a resonant frequency.
I also am going to attach inline little coils that match Ottos last coil schematic. These will be placed at the control coil junctions. It has been shown to raise the kick effect in other circuits.
But I am going to wire up another ring of 14awg Easyflow stranded collector on a 4" pvc ring then 30awg collector coils. These will all match in some multiple of weight. The length only gets the mass equalization close. Snipping will occur.
@IS coil is interesting in that the multiple controller coils were all wired in a bucking config. Is was shown at one time that way. My GK4 is that way and produced hi rf and microwave. Others have experienced this also.
Parts of this experiment are really quite inexpensive to do. This will be my task for this weekend. I love the challenge. This brings everybody up to the mark.
@To all,
Avoid the noise and be cool. We have no respectful leaders at the helm.
@ sauron that might be true but was not done with that intent! i am just trying to sift through all the clutter that is hear to find the real info as everyone else is too and it is not an easy job
i erase my posts well what i can in case it is wrong but i lay my thoughts on the line so all can see and decide for there selfs
im only guessing and picking out what makes sence to me and sharing
i dont dubt im wrong
as im sure we all have been wrong b4
please STOP QUOTING MY WORDS i quote no one
i share what i think
that is all
sorry for the problems i caused!
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wait fore some one who has a working unit and will share the info as you in fact can not
is
you do that... i call it the easy way.
@ Giant youre right once again, be cool and avoid the noise.
or would that be, get it hot with alot of noise......
Far to much clutter. So stop posting it.
Get back on the damn bench.
When you have something that is important
to add than do so, until then stop the damn
spam and clutter.
I will be sending out a few messages soon.
IronHead
well is it okay to keep looking at what steven told us?
However, the music will not be of high quality.
The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc
It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.
seems hot and noisy to me :)
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ok folks
i am back
i am at home here is my ring.
yes joe point taken. but i am not that kid i blow up hydrogen all the time so i know how dangerous all of it can be. if i want to be safe i would not leave home.
i am not trying to make anybody mad i want to learn. and gk no i dont have a scope can no afford one at this time
thanks again is i will look at thoses files.
wer
Hey! I got that same wood floor. Mine must be 50+ years old - the creaks give it personality.
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hi is
seen that one
now that is what i need to be working with in stead of the bigger one
wer
That was Dave of CTG Labs. I thought the bulb was a trick LED bulb.
Turbo's vid is in the first post (very bottom) at the start of the Turbo thread.
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And the final answer is: 'There are no sparks'.
A well tuned beast spits fire. It is even written in the heiroglyphics that way.
--giantkiller.
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i agree with you is
the small one should have been put out there so we all could work on it.
then we all gould have learned from it.
i just looked at turbo's ring. now that looks simple and can be expanded on
@ grumpy
that floor was made in 1943
wer
Guys,
Grumpy is right that is not a working unit!
Turbo's is based on a Tesla Magnifying Transmitter design, it is not the same! It does work but he used a transmitter that was not shown, the device you see is a receiver.
I have some T220 SMP60N03 has anyone tried these. there sold by Mouser , any feed back would be helpful Thanks mike. @GK yea some humor is in order some times.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.970.html
read it again and again, over, and over. till you get it. how many times do we need to see it? :o ??? ::)
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Turbos and Daves videos were not tpu's
They used a hidden wire for hf coupling.
Judge it as you like but I have noticed that when people get frustrated
and they want to quit, they often want to tease everybody in some trick kinda like dropping a bomb on people's ideas as they depart..You will see it here from time to time. I see it a bit now.
If your frustration level is high please just give yourself a break and dont let the stress get to you. Work at a slower and more carefull pace. It is amazing how , if you can blow the cobwebs out one in a while things seem so different. It takes time.
When you get upset, and you will, remember that it is not about YOU. Have a break!
Others will follow up and may need you later.
Mean time be nice to each other , this is not and never will be a one person effort.
Lindsay
Where did "turbo" say that his tpu was powered by an external source?
It is my understanding that Dave used a trick LED bulb. Turbo's bulb was out of his kitchen.
However, he did state that SM took the long road and that there is an easier way.
Mannix, you refuse to believe that there is more than one "Master of the TPU", yet it is true.
The only explanation of the working principle of the TPU that SM has offered was his comments on Tao's explanation, which I collected and posted a couple of months ago. With the operating priciples defined, anyone can do it. Turbo offered up an explanation of Tesla's effect that was originally published by Tom Bearden - The tale of the bird on the high voltage line. Google that and read about "massless potential".
SM was not the first, is not the only, and will not be the last to harness this.
Your kidding right? remember the 800 Amphour battery in the turbo thread? wouldnt that be an external source? The turbo ring is not an SM devise,, Its nifty. but not a tpu. just my .02 think as you wish. ::)
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Quote from: Grumpy on April 13, 2007, 12:16:17 AM
Where did "turbo" say that his tpu was powered by an external source?
It is my understanding that Dave used a trick LED bulb. Turbo's bulb was out of his kitchen.
However, he did state that SM took the long road and that there is an easier way.
Mannix, you refuse to believe that there is more than one "Master of the TPU", yet it is true.
The only explanation of the working principle of the TPU that SM has offered was his comments on Tao's explanation, which I collected and posted a couple of months ago. With the operating priciples defined, anyone can do it. Turbo offered up an explanation of Tesla's effect that was originally published by Tom Bearden - The tale of the bird on the high voltage line. Google that and read about "massless potential".
SM was not the first, is not the only, and will not be the last to harness this.
Grumpy
Please if you have any information on another person who is alive and willing to help us along with some info on another device, and yes I'm sure there were or are others, please start a thread for it.
Any Info that I have provided from Steven is in the best of intent including the Tao info.. The Turbo duo were being misleading...checky at best!... FACT.
I am only tring to help.
In my eyes their actions did not respect what Steven Mark had achieved...the opposite was the case. Just MY opinion that's all.
Turbo did not post it himself that was stefan...then along the ball rolled gathering size and speed.
I understand why and I hope that others can see it happening to them when and if it does.
In the very first page of this whole section 14 months ago I state that "many have discovered it before". Your judgment of my refusal to believe is in itself confusing to me .
I am willing to believe that I do not know many things. I am certain that I will find out more things. Its happeniong all the time . Even now.
Working principals???
The cannons?
The Water hose
The catalyst release?
Even My king story is not very far off
Then theres the carl story...
They all make sence to somebody who already has the knowledge but the reverse is not necessarily the case.
I hope that this may be of some assistance to you at this time.
Both turbo and dave have done and are still doing some good work.
Perhaps they wouldn't mind commenting on this.
Once again I am sorry for anybody who was mislead by those naughty boys.
I did comment at the time you know...but as usual.. well
I will take a break for a while now. Take care and get up to speed with Otto.
Lindsay
yes, it is true my coil was not a tpu.
this coil belongd into the transformer setup thread...
making progress was verry slow those day's and it looked liked the forums were dying, there was not anybody posting for days.
so i decided to try and spice things up a bit by showing a seemingly working coil so more people would start to build coils and we all would have the awnser...it did happen only what i did not know then was the design was wrong.
now this was all a bit stupid from me to do because now i see it created more confusion then coil builders.
all i can say about that is i am sorry.
i also asked the webmaster to move the thread but for some reason it stayed over here.
but this is the LOTR thread and things are diffrent over here....
Turbo
Hello all,
a nice discussion. Just a few words. Hmmm, how to say it......if you are building TPUs and you use plastic rings to have a guide for your collectors DONT USE PLASTIC. This plastic will melt!!! Thats for sure!!! Yes, I said it in a nice way,ha,ha. There could be a high temperature....
Otto
is
Hello Turbo,
please dont feel sorry. Its your picture that I saw and decided to built a TPU. This was a long time ago. With your setup I made every possible connection, builded I dont know how many versions, burned I dont know how many transistors but....
I only can say THANK YOU TURBO!!!!!!
Why??? Guess!!!!
Regards
Otto
just to let you guy's know my latest view on the tpu is very much like the model of Esa Maunu.
it goes about Phonon boson and Higgs boson interactions and energy conversion in TPU.
now at first this all sounded like being too difficult in my ears but it turned out to be quite easy...
here is a post i made on another forum a few day's back:
okay so let's say we have a ambient potential of 300 volts per meter.
the most simple coil would have 3 control coils. output in the 200 volt range
the more advanced model which was cut to pieces had 5 control coils. output in the 500 volt range
the most and biggest ring had 7 control coils. output in the 800 volt range
so basicly because of the prime numbers and perfect harmonics the creation of a magnetic field inside the coils is impossible.
we are thus cancelling the magnetic flux of whatever is magnetic in that area including the (electro)magnetic field of the earth.
this is also why the control units have to be inside the ring.
on the outside there will form magnetic rings.
if i understand correctly because of these "black holes" for lack of a better description, opens up a gate to the ambient potential charged particles to enter the ring but not allowed to escape.
then when they enter next ring they will accelerate and in the next ring again and so on untill they hit the material that is acting as an reciever,the collector.
so the capturing of the flow of charged particles slowly starts and winds up as more and more particles enter the "black hole"
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Quote from: weri812 on April 12, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic does not make me a less a man.
thanks
wer
hi, maybe it is safer for you to wait untill they reach the surface and you can buy one thats safe, maybe even be alot cheaper too.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 05:46:24 PM
you now own yourself a wrong tpu form all the missleading garbage around here
is TEAM!!
i am continiously repeating Steven the inventor his own words....not mine ,do you really think he is misleading us?
Quote from: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 06:05:33 PM
@ sauron remove my words from your quote
i think the only misleading garbage around here is posted by you....
!!! ;) !!!
Ok everyone, enough banter and din. Let?s get back to the good stuff :).
I have posted below tons and tons of scope shots from my revamped Otto coil test. I connected everything exactly as laid out in his diagram and used a single frequency pulsed into the coil @ 25V from my power supply (I varied between 0 and 25 for testing also). The DC bias was provided by a 9V battery and I used a 2KOhm resistor to take all of the scope shots across. I also connected the 12V bulb across (which shined brightly) but could not make any noticeable comparisons since the bulb was already lit nicely. Below I show various scope shots of the output across the resistor using positive pulses, negative pulses, pulses with and with out the DC bias, and the same sets at 55kHz and 1MHz.
The most interesting thing I noted was that the pulses only seemed to grow large when pulsed with the negative lead from my pulse circuit. The DC bias is definitely modifying the pulses!
As a note, when pulsing the coil from the positive side, the ground lead from my pulse circuit was connected to the junction where the collector wire ties in with the coil.
God Bless,
Jason O
Now that the one frequency test is completed. It's time to kick it up a notch. I just finished making my new and improved three-channel harmonic pulser; powered by a single function generator input and frequency divided by two J-K flip-flops for percision frequency alignment.
Now it's just time for the smoke test ;D.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Otto,
Are the results I'm seeing correct? What is the next step of experimentation that you wanted to show us all? I'll be ready to go on it anytime :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Hello Jason,
Im posting at master of magnetics.
Otto
Jdo300, Please post the make & model number of your flat screen scope.
Thank you.
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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.
Hi FatBird,
I bought the scope on eBay for $369.00. It's very nice except that the screen doesn't have the fastest refresh rate in the world. It's great for the price though. You can see all the specs for it here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-OWON-PDS5022S-Portable-Color-Digital-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ300100592371QQihZ020QQcategoryZ104247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Here's a link to the manual for the scope, which includes all the specs:
http://www.saelig.com/downloads/pds5022s.pdf
God Bless,
Jason O
hi is
wer
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Dude! Everybody is welcome. We've all had a training period here.
Quote from: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
@eldarion
how about this
Quote from: eldarion on April 13, 2007, 11:59:38 PM
@weri812
I'm sorry, I don't see the difference? ??? I must be missing something (not the first time!) ;)
The difference is pictorially slight but a magtitude of difference electrically.
In the 2nd diagram the signal runs in 2 paths. A field is created around the center signal line. Any one who has achieved kicks knows this circuit. The GK4 is wired in the first step as Tesla's 390721 transformer (bucking field coils). These are the control coils. That I wrapped that configuration around iron wire which creates a configurable iron core for the control coils. Just like the second diagram. And per Otto's jumpering the iron cores become the collectors that are the internal feed of the the initial signals. But what this configuration does is feed a dissimilar frequency into the core from another control coil signal. The GK4 rendition could not reach over unity. The controller and collector masses are different.
What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close, a single frequency is all that is needed to produce resonance, hamonics and beautiful kicks with ringings. The Radiant energy component shows up also in the scope shots.
Now the GK4 is a gross example of the signal line coils fed back through its own collector (self). Moab's, Danswaay's, JDO300's, Otto's, and IS's smaller experiments show this explicitly in a less complicated format.
I will use Sauron's collector loop with all the black bobbins for this next explanation. Instead of driving all these coils seperately like a motor controller would do, we connect all these coils as a single controller but all bucking. Just like IS had done with his BLACK HOLE SUN. I think he knows what he is talking about here. If the mass is matching in that coil then it is appropriately named. You drive this with one frequency and what is impressed upon the collector must drive it crazy! Not to mention the flux collisions that are there.
Definately a Radiant energy pump. 90 degree coupling? Forget what you know. And when this thing ramps up think of the magnetic mess in the center!
You would have unlike charges racing towards the center to attract! Can I get an Amen brother?And your clue for the day is: There is another musical indentifier (Soundgarden).In diags the signal is 100khz. It probably matches up with the 50 turns.
--giantkiller.
There is a small DC wiggle on our scopes just before or just after the Kick this i think is the RE coming back into the coils after the pulse is gone. There is still a little bit of the mag field left but the pulse or more accurately (Impulse) we sent is gone , This is the hard part to time right. you have to kick it in the pants again before the magfield is completely gone and just after the pulse you sent is dissipated, But not during this small DC wiggle. When you do this just rite the magfield resonates and the flux in the center of your coils is very strong and begins to rotate, It is this rotation of the magfield that causes voltage. or speed as GK said in morse code the other day. But your timing has to be just right. with out a scope your shooting in the dark.
my useless .02 ;)
Simple little sine waves cause rogue waves.
The group advances while the masses are left clueless and without understanding,,, So be it.
--giantkiller.
Hi Folk,
@GK,
Please explain, if you'd like
"What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close....."
Do you mean iron and copper?
Sorry, I'd double post.
nong
:)
Quote from: nong on April 14, 2007, 12:10:10 PM
Hi Folk,
@GK,
Please explain, if you'd like
"What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close....."
Do you mean iron and copper?
Sorry, I'd double post.
nong
If my memory serves me right I am the only one with iron collectors. Maybe now you too? But look at the circuit coil fed back down thru its center. Copper on copper is what everybody else has. Besides if it's all one wire what do you have? copper/copper. But if you used iron core it is ok. It is the coil's winding that is being shown here.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
I have iron collector ;D
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Quote from: nong on April 14, 2007, 12:22:45 PM
@GK,
I have iron collector ;D
You got scope and signal source, like 555?
--giantkiller?
@GK,
Long holiday here, my friend lab is close. not try yet.
I have CD4011 and TIP35, couldnt find tip41 here.
I'll let you know when I scope the ring. tks
nong
:)
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Does someone a coil design with Ansoft Maxwell 3D ?
Quote from: otto on April 14, 2007, 12:35:26 PM
Hello all,
@GK
just 1 question, if allowed:
Why do you use IRON?????
Otto
Because SM said bailing wire. That enabled something very new to show up. The control coil became an iron core transformer. The core became a conductor that became the collector that is squeezed by the magnetic field of the control coil. Do you all see the cannon ball effect now? And that is why the coil diagram you posted is so important and that is why the effects were so profound in the GK4. Could it be done with copper? Possibly. The current focus is that infolded coil. JDO300 showed results from that same configuration months ago only the coil wasn't feed back through the middle.
SM has always posted well hidden clues if not specific opportunities blatantly. I have been very Sherlock Holmes like in my analysis with what I have seen on these threads. He's is an audio engineer. How do you think I came up with the microphones pointing in the speaker? He used a tube amp to begin with. Why? It was readily available in his pile of stuff. Did it work? You betcha. Everytime I grab a DVM do I explain how good it is? Nope. Throw it on the bench and turn it on. Remember the dolphins wave picture? They don't ride the boat, they are pushed by the effect of the boat pushing the water. It is effortless. That was the answer I got back. I have posted alot of these analogies. Some gotten, some not. This cat and mouse game is thick. I love the hunt.
I will post this over in LOTR also.
--giantkiller. Enjoy.
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
@ gk have you figured out the avitar yet???
i have!!!
who wants to know what it means?
look at the forks apply that to the tpu what do you get?
think freq and ressanace with in the collectors!
ist
The outer most prongs represent the control coils and the inner most prongs represent the collectors with a 2:3 something ratio.
Or the left fork is the transmitting freq and the right fork is the receiving resonant wave. I also see the reflective waves are only in the middle.
And tell me that wasn't photoshopped in. This also tells me the hieroglyphic writings inside the pyramids were made using tpus and light bulbs. Who would figure?
--giantkiller.
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:) i'm done ;)
Boys, boys. Do I need to slap you both and send you 2 to your rooms without supper?
Don't make come out there and put a whoopin on ya! 'Cause I'll do it.
--giantkiller. If this is my thread does that make me the parent?
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Quote from: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 04:30:43 PM
do you all not see this is a game!!
if i let the answers out b4 there time what fun was it this is why i had my problems with my computer since i removed my thoughts they have stoped
it is a game!
think about it
ist
I always knew that! And I do know that those special people post under multiple handles to keep their status low.
I also have non-posters in the background watching as my backup in case anything should go wrong with the government or MIBs.
--giantkiller. Covered. Because death is final.
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please have a closer look at the forks here is a blowen up pic
ist
Slow down "innovation station " you are starting to cause problems and anger on this forum.
Don't make me say it again.
i am sorry that is not at all my intent in trying to help
i can not help it if i look at things diffrently than most it is me it always been my way to look and discover
what can i say
Quote from: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 05:02:15 PM
now let us have a closer look at the forks here is a blowen up pic
also that is why i aksed people to remove my quotes from there posts i want no trouble from me helping you
i would build this all by my self but i have no money for the special tool that make this easyer so all i can do is help all of you as i can not build it safely
back to the forks gk what do you see?
ist
I also see a center taped coil horizontally.
Could also be a triangle wave.
I will have to get the frequencies for this next one but it looks like a transition from the note A to C for a harmonic jump.
Thank you GK for the great room but some people can't help being just good readers and I'm getting tired of the nonsense the research is hard enought it understand and some posting throw things off and are not relevant to the TPU I'll be posting in ESA's room again THANK you MIKE ...
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 14, 2007, 06:03:12 PM
Thank you GK for the great room but some people can't help being just good readers and I'm getting tired of the nonsense the research is hard enought it understand and some posting throw things off and are not relevant to the TPU I'll be posting in ESA's room again THANK you MIKE ...
Sorry to see you go. This type of diatribe has been going on for a year. I only pull facts where I can. I don't have the all the answers but if this is part of the puzzle then we have to play. I have been patient to read as much as I can to get what is relevant. I then post clearly. I have held nothing back. I enjoy this type of crypticity. I will be one of the few to truly understand this technology when we are finished. We are being led to dig deep and respect what we learn. It is a good cause.
Think about the paradigm shift when this technology becomes apparent. That is what Tesla saw. We must go there also.
Come back when you can.
--giantkiller.
i found somthing i felt i should share it is a freeware program that turns you computer into a scope
hope it will help some of us poor foke out there have not tryed it but there are many of them out there
hears the link
http://www.electronics-lab.com/downloads/pc/index.html
now if i can just figure out how to use the scope the fun will begin for me .......
it seams birght days are so verry close we do not even know!
:)
@IST,
Thank you. Its very interesting :)
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.
Its is that simple really.
Lindsay
Hey Joe it looks like you do have a clue to point you in the right direction mechanically :D
Thanks Joe.
Interesting.
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Google it.
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Take a look at this patent:
Patent number: 413353
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm
OR as gyulasun point out if you dont have the TIFF plug in use this link
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat413353.pdf
(thanks to gyulasun for the above link)
Inparticular take a look at FIGURE 2.
What is interesting is that what is described is a method of converting AC into DC without the use of diodes but using transformers. i.e. of rectifying the AC into rippled DC WITHOUT diodes. Why is this important ? Because this method can recitify as high a voltage as the coils can withstand. In other words where traditional diodes allow momentary reverese currents as the breakdown voltage of the diode is momentarily exceeded (due to small kicks combining into large kicks) this method would not suffer this. The correct combination of coils could allow the kicks to be continually combined to ever larger voltages whilst also allowing for part of the circuit to be DC and hence one of the coils to have Dc current.
Now obviously in the TPU we have coils wrapped on coils, connected in parallel and in serial, there is transformer action, even though this is not the direct way of working of the device.
Consider, if the correct operation of the TPU requires exceeding high peak voltages to be used AND it requires that certain coils are predominantly high voltage DC in nature, how would this effect how we perform our experiments ?
What use is a DC coil/solenoid ? Within a DC coil you have a uniform magnetic field in ONE direction. A charged particle that enters this uniform magnetic field at right angles will follow a CIRCULAR PATH.
So imagine this as a possibility:
1. High voltage abrupt 'KICKS' cause radiant energy to be release.
2. Tesla had said himself that this 'energy' felt like being hit by high speed particles, a stinging effect.
3. These particles cause a charging effect on nearby metal. Both Tesla observed this and Steven Marks has warned DONT touch any metal on the device once you think you may have some anomalous event.
4. If these charged particles enter a high intensity uniform magnetic field they will go round in a CIRCLE.
5. Circular rotating charges will by defintion cause a rotating magnetic field.
6. A rotating magnetic field would also be ADDITIVE to the already rotating magnetic field that produces the KICKS. Creating even bigger kicks. Here is a feedback effect that could easily get out of control.
The DC coil is crucial to this theory working.
You could have 1000V DC with 200V AC ripple on it and you would still get the circular rotation of particles. But if you have 150V DC with 200V AC ripple you would not get the rotation of particles.
So you could have everything else perfect but without the DC being right, the device will not operate.
For our experimental and investigation purposes we can however get around this problem. If we separately apply a high (1000V) DC voltage from a high voltage bench power source, to the largest diameter coils, we can mitigate this problem. We can then observe what happens and see if this theory has any merit.
Any comments on this theory ? If moderators think this should be in a separate thread please shout out or transfer this posting to a separate thread.
Quote from: Mannix on April 15, 2007, 08:40:35 AM
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.
Its is that simple really.
Lindsay
For those of us that missed that crucial post, 7 months ago, could you explain Otto's simple test or point to the original posting ? Many thanks.
Further to the posting on possible DC coil aspect of the TPU.
Also consider the exploding TV described by Steven Marks.
Could the ciruitry fail in a TV so that the deflection yoke that steers the electron beams or the demagnetisation coil, fail to a state of a continuous DC current applied to one of these coils ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (DC coil effect)
Could the flyback transformer (or other high voltage device) fail in such a way that very high voltage sparks are generated ? I would say that's possible but not likely. (Kicks, Radiant particle effect)
Could the above also concur with the production of a rotating magnetic field ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (Rotating magnetic field).
The combination of events is highly unlikely but again this IS what is observed. Only a very, very small proportion of TV sets have exploded in a bizarre fashion.
Quote from: bob.rennips on April 15, 2007, 10:04:04 AM
Further to the posting on possible DC coil aspect of the TPU.
Also consider the exploding TV described by Steven Marks.
Could the ciruitry fail in a TV so that the deflection yoke that steers the electron beams or the demagnetisation coil, fail to a state of a continuous DC current applied to one of these coils ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (DC coil effect)
Could the flyback transformer (or other high voltage device) fail in such a way that very high voltage sparks are generated ? I would say that's possible but not likely. (Kicks, Radiant particle effect)
Could the above also concur with the production of a rotating magnetic field ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (Rotating magnetic field).
The combination of events is highly unlikely but again this IS what is observed. Only a very, very small proportion of TV sets have exploded in a bizarre fashion.
Think about this:
What if the flyback was built using standard transformers. The strange coupling that occurs would be a large field in the field of the yoke and the tube. Basically an open Tesla coil. I mention this because the exploding tv exhibits the same matter in motion that Hutchison's experiments exhibit.
Could the tvs have been recalled very quickly under the guise as a threat to the consumer?
This one has been bothering me ever since I read it. Those of us that have produced kicks and have pets have noticed the animals flee the area. Go figure, eh?
--giantkiller.
Hi All,
For those wishing to see Tesla patent 413353 but do not have TIFF picture viewer installed that is needed at the US Patent Office link, here is another link to see the patent in PDF file format:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat413353.pdf
Gyula
Quote from: Mannix on April 15, 2007, 08:40:35 AM
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.
Its is that simple really.
Lindsay
I am back from camping, my taxes are done, and I would like to get back into the swing of things by attempting otto's little test now. (I was not a part of this forum seven months ago.)
I have his graphic that shows, "50 turns with the bulb, signal, +12V, and minus." I also wrote down otto's additional information of 0.5mm diameter [20 AWG] stranded copper wire and IRF840 MOSFET.
It's just... just that I... well, it is embarrassing to point out but I am not sure how to connect the MOSFET into otto's schematic. Can someone who has had success with this please expand upon otto's schematic to show me how to do this?
Is the signal ground connected to the minus of the bulb or not?
Another thing that I am unsure of is the capacity of the 12V. Should I use a car battery with that kind of power, string together eight AAA batteries in series, or something in between? Will one or more 9V batteries connected in parallel work?
@everyone this has been the best game i have ever played
it is turley amazing
i will be happy when my sun is shinging bright ;)
the best ever
back to my work as i have much to do
the best of luck to all !!
:)
I'm having fun as well !
Build it test it show it when its done. :D
While I am waiting for the little coil test circuit and parts details, I decided to try some things myself. I recycled one of the three core rings from my failed TPU_01. It has about 300~400 winds of a thin mag-wire around a thick zinc coated iron ring.
Since I am not familiar with the MOSFET, I used my variable 555 timer circuit with a 9V battery.
When I followed Otto's circuit as best as I could, (with an extra normally-open switch between the coil and the +9V,) I found the following: on-switch caused the high frequency +square waves on my scope to go to a high flat line. Then off-switch caused the waves on my scope to return... but not right away. I found that the longer I kept the switch on, the longer it took to return to the higher frequency. I counted seconds: two second of switch-on takes about four seconds to see the one cycle on my scope. Four seconds of switch-on took eight seconds to return and so on.
In this same configuration above I removed my scope-probe from the timer and connected it to a solar-cell under my bulb, then under a cup to block outside light. Switch on, the scope line drops about, oh 10%~15% or so. Then switch-off, the scope line jumps to slightly above it's original position, by about 2%~5%, then comes to rest at the original position.
In another configuration I routed the signal through the coil only and then from the other end of the coil to the core and then from the other end of the core to the bulb and then to common timer ground.
With this second configuration the bulb was dim until I reached a narrow band of frequency/pulse width. Within this narrow band the bulb blinked from dim to bright at a much much lower frequency than the pulses.
Interesting effects with both configurations. Is one of these effects the Otto effect, or will I see his effect only after a rigorous 1:1 replication of his setup?
Hey Rosphere,
That sounds like an interesting test you did there. Can you draw up and post a circuit diagram for it? I would like to try that out for myself along with Otto's latest circuit diagram.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 16, 2007, 10:30:33 AM
Hey Rosphere,
That sounds like an interesting test you did there. Can you draw up and post a circuit diagram for it? I would like to try that out for myself along with Otto's latest circuit diagram.
God Bless,
Jason O
Really; you want to replicate my mis-replications of Otto's little coil experiment? :o
Which mis-replication did you want to replicate, J.O., the former, the latter, or both? :-\
EDIT ONE: Attached both schematics.
EDIT TWO: Attached crude video of schematic on right. Scope set at 0.2?s/DIV.
EDIT THREE: Attached photos of implementation of schematic on right.
pretty nifty Rosphere. I'll try it too! Just for kicks,and harmonic platforming of circuit, Nothing like seeing it. Moab
Just thought I would add my .02 here. Something that could not be negated and maybe enlightening, no?
--giantkiller. Too much noise...
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Attached is another video showing my second mis-replication of Otto's little coil. After finding the sweet spot, I unplugged the battery, started the video, and plugged the battery back in.
You can see the frequency slowly start to lower before it starts to... throb?
;D GO RO!!!
CRANK THAT MUTHER UP!!!!!
lol
sam
Quote from: supersam on April 16, 2007, 09:03:08 PM
;D GO RO!!!
CRANK THAT MUTHER UP!!!!!
lol
sam
I have a longer video where I did crank it up. I tried to upload it three times. :(
Three in parallel.
Click here to find out how I made the three inner rings. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2038.0.html)
And here is the sound file...
--giantkiller.
Anybody seen this SM15 Horse shoe TPU?
I can't find the pic.
--giantkiller.
@ rosphere
have you done otto's test?
@Jason,
What is going on here? You say you got great output from your 50 turn coil?
The driving mosfet is not super hot.
in p2p 25v
out p2p 233 volts
200-300 miliamps
frequency between big spikes 2.35 mghz
small waves are 10.8 mghz
The stupid simple signal can create megahertz from a simple 1 time kick on. Can you say switch?
Nice,, ;D thanks for the intertainment.. What a night!
My compliments to Rosphere and Jason.
And now for the next step. Just press the button!
--giantkiller. Here's your sign.
Same circuit with a full tpu instead of ottos small 50 turn setup.
Oops sorry 50v per div.
And by full tpu, I mean a full ring, and not all three layers.
Posting quickly as stuff is still happening.
Control tower this is documentor #1. We seem to have a bit of a problem in Ohio. The area seems to be ringing.
We could be reaching critical mass. Do you read me?
--giantkiller.
Oh my God!
Houston, we have 7.8 nirvana!
And the kicks are outta the ball park!
Looks like it's a homer!
This baby is about to take off!
--giantkiller. News after 11:00
@all,
This is a live feed from neverwhere, U.S.A.
I feel like I am in a turbine test facility. The roar is deafening. The TPU runs cool.
Moab is lighting a light bulb! No webcam but we trust him!
He sustains shocking also. Quite the heros we have here!
Jason has felt the force now too! He also has self resonance.
Looks like a dream come true. I will never work another day in my life!
--giantkiller. I don't know about the other guys.
p.s. Stay tuned to your local station for upcoming details. Things could still fall out of the sky!
Can anyone explain mechincally, what the tpu is supposedly doing. I can't read all the posts a brief recap so everyone can catchup. And a recap on the progress you guys are making. It looks impressive, but a good protion I am missing.
If you guys did it, all hats off and appluase is being given. That would be wonderful.
Oh yeah! we be all up in this.
It is truly a new day!
Jason, Rosphere, Moab, myself, Rich Weber all witnesses to the greatest adventure on the planet!
Thank you everybody who has been so kind enough to give information so freely. And special thanks to Steven Mark, for bringing this to light. Good job Mannix.
Gentlemen, Take a bow. History as we know it is over.
--giantkiller. To the rest of the world: It's our turn now.
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i think there many more problems with it to resolve b4 it is over
but wow! we can light a bulb
a thought why dont we all finish the game like some have and work out the heat problem togather as a team?
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
The generated field does light up a fluorescent light bulb with varying degrees of luminosity.
--giantkiller. More to come.
P.S. Jason had 2 hours of sleep previoulsy and I had 4.
Jason-o, Congrats. Glad i was there to see you do it ;) more and more of us every day! :o
Quote from: d3adp00l on April 17, 2007, 01:58:44 AM
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
That's the very last thing anybody should do
I am sorry I have to ask this but, Do you really have a working device or is GK just blowing off at the mouth again?
It would be great if there is something out there or at least some progress in the right direction.
Hat's off to all involved (I hope)
Tim
Hello All,
GK was right. We did all work together tonight and we accomplished a lot. But just to be thurough, I have documented, in detail, the simple circuit I ?accidentally? discovered tonight while playing with Otto?s circuit setup. I have attached photos of the actual setup along with scope shots and a circuit diagram for your replication pleasure.
What I basically discovered is a way to make the IRF840 MOSFET switch itself on and off in a circuit without the need for a constant input frequency!
This happened when I was playing with the gate of the MOSFET in my rendition of Otto?s circuit. He had the output of the frequency generator going straight to the gate of the MOSFET. Traditionally, a small resistor is usually placed there to drain off some of the charge so that the gate can properly be switched on and off. So I simply grabbed a 2KOhm resistor that I had handy and slapped it onto the gate. Unfortunately, the function generator I was using couldn?t pulse the gate hard enough to switch the FET on fast, so I went for a smaller, 200 Ohm resistor instead. When this didn?t work, I had a thought to grab a random capacitor and place this between the Gate and the Source pins. When I fired up the circuit, the MOSFET immediately raced up into the MHz range, and I saw these ginormous spikes showing up on the screen. But I was further delighted when I shut off the function generator and the MOSFET condinued to switch completely on it?s own!
I even completely disconnected the leads from the function gen and the circuit continued to sing happily away?. This was the start off all that GK mentioned above? I?ll give more details about those tests some other time since it is 4:32AM and I haven?t gone to bed yet :(.
But just think! With the proper tuning, we can create the frequencies we need in our TPUs without the need for 555s or function gens! Just a simple Cap and tuned coil is all you need!
I need to make one quick note about the circuit diagram posted below. You don?t need to use a cap at all across the main pulse coil. I just used it because I could, but you at least need a segment of wire there so that the BEMF from the coil will circulate when the MOSFET is switched off. THIS IS IMPORTANT or else it will not work!
To start the circuit, you merely apply a single pulse to charge the gate. Once this happens, it will immediately take off by itself! Don?t believe me. Try it for yourself! You will be quite amazed at the result!
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. There are some other interesting factors about this circuit that you will notice after running it too :).
EDIT: Fixed the circuit diagram, which was drawn incorrectly
Thanks for having me there for this. I'm not sure how much I contributed, but It was thrilling night of discovery. Very exciting indeed.
To be fair, I still think we need to reproduce Ronotte's experiments in order to suss out what's going on, he's got some very promising and exciting results as well.
SM said there could be many ways to wire these things up, and it seems the universe is lining up right now, and giving several people results at the same time.
Oh, and no coast to coast AM stories. I have to agree with Mannix that that would not be a prudent maneuver.
Also, GK, I have to say, you seem a lot saner when I'm actually talking to you (not to single you out or anything, we're all a bit nutty). Seems much of the silly you put on is just in your posts, I'm glad to have worked with you last night, and everyone else, nice to have met you and worked with you. Hope to do it again soon.
Rich.
if i could add ......
this is the device of a 1000 styles
@ everyone who has not DO OTTO'S TEST so you can move on to the next step
the "GAME" is .....
right hear this thred LOTR read and reread agin until you understand
@ all the thinkers out there PLEASE PLAY THE GAME
one more thing LET US ALL THANK HIM
@ Rich.Nice to work with you too .
@All. Be careful doing any of this. It can get real bad real quick! To those who know you know to those who dont, dont mess with it.
@Ronnotte,
will you Come play with us? Your sand box or ours?
Moab.
Moab,
When I was young, my mother's friend let me use her expensive equipment and helped me do my first, and last, oil painting. My subject was lightning. The image that you just posted above reminded me of my childhood painting with similar background colors and number of bolts. So what?
She passed on over to the other side this week. :o
Rosphere
Quote from: Mannix on April 17, 2007, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: d3adp00l on April 17, 2007, 01:58:44 AM
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
That's the very last thing anybody should do
This is very correct Mannix.
@IS,
This is
His team and a very blessed project. It is a solid state version of the Ark of the Convenant. Heed the warnings.
@all,
In respect to the circuit:
You press the button and the electrical circuit is made. The magnetic field builds up. You release the button and the field collapses causing a radiant energy burst across the circuit causing more force across the coil. The charged cap fires the mosfet charging up the circuit again. The ramp up starts as mother earth sings back to you, beautifully with such clarity and such awesome power.
Congrats to Jason, Rosphere, Moab and all involved for last nights results.
--giantkiller. Yahweh cool! Today we rule!
Hello All,
In case you all downloaded the old circuit diagram from my post, I need to make you aware of a change to it. I had the connection to the coil incorrect. Here is the corrected diagram (I also fixed the one in my post too).
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D1872.0%3Battach%3D8313%3Bimage&hash=a0e44851010df3a6ed7c249a85ec199e97af9017)
God Bless,
Jason O
Here is the thread at gn0sis.
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/catid,21/id,5368/#5368
If some who were there last night could check it out and make sure I've got the info right, I'd appreciate it.
Regards,
Rich
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 17, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Hello All,
In case you all downloaded the old circuit diagram from my post, I need to make you aware of a change to it. I had the connection to the coil incorrect. Here is the corrected diagram (I also fixed the one in my post too).
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
You may need a rev.B on that schematic: Does the wire not pass through the coil as in Otto's test?
self delete
Hi Rosphere,
Actually, you don't need to have the wire running through the coil to see the effect in action. This mostly happens because of the BEMF recycling in the system. That's not to say that having the wire going through the coil won't improve the output. I didn't bother to do any comparison testing on that yet so I don't know if it actually makes a difference. That would be good to test out tonight. Also, for all you wallflowers out there, here's a circuit that is easy to build, and you WILL get dramatic results as soon as you fire it up. I highly recommend that you try it out!
NOTE: By "dramatic results" I don't mean destruction of any parts or equipment; just to be clear there :).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Moab & 'the group',
I'm following you group project, of course I'm much interested and I do put at your disposition any contribution I may give. Please let me know your scheduling as I can organize myself.
ronotte
We are replicating more coils and circuits while more advances are progressing. We are talking numbers now. One person cannot do all of this. That would be suicide. That is the reason for open source threads. Once again, everything is here to get this done.
I make light of alot here because things are just too damn serious. Does anybody realize this device can stop the global warming noise presently becoming the next resource vaccuum? It didn't have to start.
Most of us here know the ramifications. Somebody else is going to get real pissed! There is your seriousness.
I see a clean world without boundaries. Let's make TPU a household name.
I am back at it tonight with the rest until we are done. Now that is serious!
--giantkiller.
Exactly GK
It is all about learning and showing others..
any thing else will fail
Please be aware that some people are so attached to their existing beliefs they may want to put you in a category that is inapropriate.
It has been uphill for me because of this.
If any body here has a story that they would like to share about their changing belief and the process that they went thru. It could be interesting for others.
we will all need relief here
I was a mild skeptik at first ..10 years ago..my story is here... other stories will help those with out tech skills to accept things better.
There are many fronts an many many more challenges.
Im going to rejoice in not having to say ...read it again..thanks guys
BTW my tpu is still not running! HELP!
Be nice with each other.
Lindsay
@ GK
You sir are a mental pit bull. I am still runnung but 12hrs every night i am beginning to grow warey. We shall see you this evening.
@Ronnott
On behalf of the group
Thank-you for your reply, I for one would like to try and replicate your resualts. and if possible, combine the two.ofcorse I will start small for safety. ;)
@ group
I think i have the bugs worked out of my webcam. hopefully. we can add my scope shots and a few pics this eve. M.M. :-\
Great DAY .....congrats to you ALLLL and yes it is a blessing speacialy to those that have stuck in there over the long run. one question in the diagram where the sine wave is is that where the 555 chip goes. This still looks much like the 10db coil we use to put on diepole antenas to boost them but never thought about self occilation. BIG THANK YOU -Mike Thats soooo coolllll
.
Quote from: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 10:56:05 AM
Moab,
When I was young, my mother's friend let me use her expensive equipment and helped me do my first, and last, oil painting. My subject was lightning. The image that you just posted above reminded me of my childhood painting with similar background colors and number of bolts. So what?
She passed on over to the other side this week. :o
Rosphere
Rosphere, I'm sorry for your loss. It's tough. Sometime's it's a blessing, as was the case with my Grandma, but it's still hard to go through.
@all who were there last night. Does anyone remember the time divs we had on those first couple of spikey screen shots? The one I posted? Also, if you have accounts on my site, please come and correct all the mistakes I've made in relating this event to my users. I'm sure I made many. LOL.
Rich
Quote from: Mannix on April 17, 2007, 06:01:35 PM
Exactly GK
It is all about learning and showing others..
any thing else will fail
Please be aware that some people are so attached to their existing beliefs they may want to put you in a category that is inapropriate.
It has been uphill for me because of this.
If any body here has a story that they would like to share about their changing belief and the process that they went thru. It could be interesting for others.
we will all need relief here
I was a mild skeptik at first ..10 years ago..my story is here... other stories will help those with out tech skills to accept things better.
There are many fronts an many many more challenges.
Im going to rejoice in not having to say ...read it again..thanks guys
BTW my tpu is still not running! HELP!
Be nice with each other.
Lindsay
If you have the ability to web conference I'm sure people here would be willing.
I like this approach. Everyone was throwing out ideas, and we had multiple experiments being done simultaneously. It was very productive, if a little noisy at times. When his TPU was on the interference in his mic was deafening at times. His cam disconnected, and his scope would not connect to his pc. Need shielded USB cables I think.
LOL.
Anyway, after having a look at otto's thread. I don't think we ever really duplicated his results before we found this effect. Ironic really.
Lindsay, please come look at ronotte's work as well. Very interesting to say the least.
@ Rosphere. How vary rude of me. I am sorry for your loss. I didnt mean to be rude. I'm Just exausted i suppose :-[ My Thoughts and prayers for comfort go out to you and your family. M.M
@Rosphere. my prayers are with you. as we grow older in life we seam to lose many things that are dear to us . hope you name your next TPU after her in her honer for giving you life we celebrate. Mike
Moab's replication of Jason's circuit with his 10K oscillating crystal.
useing Jason-o's little trick to start mosfet. floresent 13 watt bulb. one wire.
All SM's TPU put out DC. The 120vac outlets and plugs were just a ruse. All light bulbs were light directly from TPU because DC works. But when he plugs up standard ac equipment he uses a convertor. Duh!
Did I miss the boat somewhere?
-giantkiller. Here's your sign...
Thats been our concern for a while Gk. :D
@everyone now im even scarching my head but it seams a thought has just come to me that i may just have missed somthing the first time around
I think on one coil he oscillated the frequency and the other coil he oscillated the voltage at the same frequency. that would light a bulb but may not run an appliance to much noise in the line- notice the color difference in the bulb . just a thought I'm going to try it as so as i fix my scope i blew up lol
Quote from: innovation_station on April 17, 2007, 11:02:17 PM
@everyone now im even scarching my head but it seams a thought has just come to me that i may just have missed somthing the first time around i have to share this because it seams to me that i mabe the only one thats realizes it!!
isteam!!
can we all play just 1 more game?!!
i do quite like games you know!
Yes we will play as long as you like. Just make your point. K?
@ everyone this has been so much fun for me
I had gotten this easyflow audio months ago. It had come up in a conference call. So I thought I would post it. I exhumed this unit from the past pile. The speaker wire is 4 sections, bifilar, 3 layers deep, total 10 turns per control.
The collector is 3 turns of easyflow audio cable which is 7 runs of 14 gauge stranded. Total 700 strands, silvered copper. The strands are 3/8 inch diameter total.
I bought 14 feet at Cartoys for USD1.14/foot
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Sauron on March 01, 2007, 05:28:17 PM
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.
Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.
For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.
But we can feel it ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??
Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??
Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.
Quote from: Sauron on February 28, 2007, 02:47:37 PM
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?
Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.
Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.
Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.
But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.
The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.
I still think about these two early posts.
Great works guys.
Kent
invertor or convertor
i put dc in and get ac back but dubble the voltage
@ all The coast to coast thing was more like my version of "go sign it on the mountain", I just didn't think that held context here.
Btw I am still a bit lost as to the progress, I understand the self oscilator, but I haven't seen a report/explaination of the connection to the coils and how everything it working together for a net yield.
I too am fond of games, however I don't have to eq to play in this one. Heck I am just happy to have figured out how to get an automotive coil to fire up on my desk, I was killing 555 chips with 12v. Let me tell you everything on the desk freaks out my meters all max out in volts(connected to wires or not) and it only uses .015amps @ 120v. No wonder tesla loved coils, they are interesting. wifi drops out, wirless keyboard freaksout computer reboots. Its fun.
Good luck at the team, have fun stormin the castle tonight.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 12:24:30 AM
I had gotten this easyflow audio months ago. It had come up in a conference call. So I thought I would post it. I exhumed this unit from the past pile. The speaker wire is 4 sections, bifilar, 3 layers deep, total 10 turns per control.
The collector is 3 turns of easyflow audio cable which is 7 runs of 14 gauge stranded. Total 700 strands, silvered copper. The strands are 3/8 inch diameter total.
I bought 14 feet at Cartoys for USD1.14/foot
--giantkiller.
Hey GK,
Thanks for posting that.
@Everyone,
Let me explain why that particular wire is ideal for the collector. Remember that Mr. Mark said the collector was made from ?multi-strand copper wire.? There is a huge reason for this, and it is more than the fact that it can carry more current with less resistance. Think about why audiophiles prefer the finest of stranded wire. If you do a quick search for an AWG wire gauge table (like the one here: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Look on the right side of the table at the frequency column. You will notice that the smaller diameter wires can carry
higher frequency waveforms than the larger diameter wires!
If you build my self-triggering circuit with the 50-turn 20-gauge magnet wire coil, you will immediately see why this is true. 20-gauge ware, according to the table, can only conduct frequencies up to 20 kHz. So any frequency higher than that will radiate off of the wire into the air. IN my case, I could pick up LOTS of HF hash in my computer speakers when the circuit is in operation.
What does this mean? Well, if we are pulsing our control coils and we want the collector to capture the energy, we don?t want those pulses to radiate back out in the air! So using lots of fine strands (e.g. high grade audio wire) will allow us to capture and keep the RE that we get. Also this reduces the amount of hash that could interfere with the control circuit electronics.
Does anyone know what gauge wire is in EasyFlow audio cable?
God Bless,
Jason O
Hello Everyone,
I just finished some more testing with my self-triggering coil circuit. My goal tonight was to see if changing the coil in the circuit made any difference to the frequency that the MOSFET pulsed at. I tried three different coils (see pictures below) and there was no difference in the frequency! It was rock solid! The only noticeable difference was a slight rise or fall in the amplitude of the waveform.
Next, I tried changing the MOSFET that I was using. I started off with an IRF840 but also tried an IRF640 and an IRF510. All of them still had the same basic frequency.
1st harmonic ≈ 4.032 MHz
2nd Harmonic ≈ 8.33 MHz
This was using the 40 nF ceramic cap across the gate and source.
My final test was to change the capacitance on the gate to see if that varied the frequency. My results of that test are inconclusive at the moment since I used a 320 pF radio tuning cap in parallel with the ceramic cap. I believe that I was able vary the frequency by +-10 kHz but I want to use a larger tuning cap to see how dramatically I can do it (if it is possible).
NOTE: Coil inductance measurments taken with a JT-33 LCR meter.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: d3adp00l on April 18, 2007, 02:06:23 AM
@ all The coast to coast thing was more like my version of "go sign it on the mountain", I just didn't think that held context here.
Btw I am still a bit lost as to the progress, I understand the self oscilator, but I haven't seen a report/explaination of the connection to the coils and how everything it working together for a net yield.
I too am fond of games, however I don't have to eq to play in this one. Heck I am just happy to have figured out how to get an automotive coil to fire up on my desk, I was killing 555 chips with 12v. Let me tell you everything on the desk freaks out my meters all max out in volts(connected to wires or not) and it only uses .015amps @ 120v. No wonder tesla loved coils, they are interesting. wifi drops out, wirless keyboard freaksout computer reboots. Its fun.
Good luck at the team, have fun stormin the castle tonight.
Once the oscillator is created and can self-oscillate, then all you need to do is loop some of the output from the collector to the input of the MOSFET to pulse the coils. Hence, no 555 timers necessary! But one needs to understand how to properly tune the thing to make it useful. The good news is that this circuit appears to be a very stable oscillator and it locks into its frequency no matter what coil is placed on it.
One step at a time...
God Bless,
Jason O
congrats to all!!
it seams i will be reading some more
the fun continues
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 03:08:53 AM
My results of that test are inconclusive at the moment since I used a 320 pF radio tuning cap in parallel with the ceramic cap.
Jason,
Why not just swap-out the one cap for another one, like you did with the coils?
I am still squirming with my paradigm-shift to use other than one 9V battery to do your MOSFET circuit test and future tests. As I wrote GK, after seeing what a coil can do to a frequency I can not help but wonder if our coils are coaxing some extra power from the wall outlets. He insists that it is valid shortcut for now. I suspect that it may lead to dead ends.
I want to use my 12V camper battery but folks say, "danger, Will Robinson, danger! Too much current."
I found an, "INPUT:AC120V 60Hz 8.5W, OUTPUT:DC12V 400mA," black-box converter that I measure at 18.4 volts. The AC portion of the output on my scope looks like white noise around 20 mV thick. (I hope you understand in spite of my ME spin on an EE description.) Would you use this to do your test?
Rosphere--Questing...
to all
got a scope coming and a square wave gen coming to day
are we trying to keep the power supply to 1-3 9 volt batterys
to keep this small for now?
wer
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 09:46:22 AM
I found an, "INPUT:AC120V 60Hz 8.5W, OUTPUT:DC12V 400mA," black-box converter that I measure at 18.4 volts.
Jason,
I used the above power source to fire up your circuit using an IRF520, that coil recycled from my failed TPU_01, and two identical ceramic caps from THAT MONITOR I SMASH LONG AGO, (reddish-brown, rectangular 1"x3/8", with markings: "282J, 1600V, SMPAf.")
I am not routing anything through the core of my coil, yet. I am following your latest schematic connectivity. My scope probe leads are across the power supply.
When I fire it up my scope shows flat line DC at nearly 20 volts, (as per above.)
Then I short the gate to +20V for only one quick tap... POP... I see a sine wave appear and stay on my scope from about +3 to +7 volts at about 47Hz. (I would need to clear an error rate of 28% to be seeing 60Hz, close though.) Then my coil heats up fast. The MOSFET stays cool.
When I remove the coil-cap I get similar results, (need to measure,) but my MOSFET heats up fast while my coil stays cool. Strange, it seems that I am moving the heat around in my circuit.
These are early results. I also noticed that I can disconnect and reconnect the power and the sine wave will still be on my screen, unless I short out the 'fet-cap. If I do this then I need to tap the gate to + again. My multimeter showed 33 mV oscillations in the 'fet-cap when my power was unplugged. I should have used my scope to look at this. I still can. I need to get away from my keyboard now and get back to the lab!
Rosphere Team!
@Jason,
My newest test coil as promised.
@Rosphere,
Can you supply pics of your set up etc?
Regards,
~Dan
i do not yet have a scope but i think i will be building few diffrent versions of the tup and displaying some pictures of them also if i keep thinking on this i might just be able to make it work with out the use of a scope but i think it will take a bit of playing around to find the proper freq's
@ dan i like your coils they look cool! i can just imaine the time involved
When I route the coil back through the core, through a bulb, and then to the +side, (removing the coil cap,) the following happens: I tap the gate to the -side, still nothing. I tap the gate to the +side and POP goes the light bulb, (it goes on.) The coil stays cool. The 'fet stays cool. The heat goes to the bulb.
I found another anomaly. It still works when I yank out the other 'fet-cap. :o It even starts up without it. I have a longish wire connected to the fet gate. When I tap it to the ground, the bulb goes off and there is no oscillation in the circuit. When I tap it to the +side it starts to oscillate with a balanced sine/triangle shaped wave. When I tap the exposed coil core end the sine/triangle wave is lopsided with every other wave about 10%-20% smaller. This, again, with no caps.
I would post a photo but I am using nothing new here. The schematic is Jason's and my parts are already shown in photos in the last few pages here. Right now it looks like a pile of spaghetti anyway. ;)
EDIT ONE: Spaghetti picture posted anyway.
EDIT TWO: Note: Scope voltage range across source is sine/triangular from 14.5V to 15.5V.
@IS
Thanks for the compliment. These little coils take a lot of time to build... :D
@Rosphere,
Thansk for sharing your test results and any findings you have.
Regards,
~Dan
Quote from: mkt3920 on April 18, 2007, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: Sauron on March 01, 2007, 05:28:17 PM
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.
Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.
For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.
But we can feel it ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??
Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??
Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.
Quote from: Sauron on February 28, 2007, 02:47:37 PM
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?
Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.
Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.
Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.
But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.
The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.
I still think about these two early posts.
Great works guys.
Kent
Wow, I forgot that Sauron posted this! Thanks for bringing it back to our remembrance... I have been thinking that beat frequencies were important here!
Now take a look at what i found!!!
http://epaper.kek.jp/e92/PDF/EPAC1992_0599.PDF
"We present experimental results obtained in a beat-wave experiment performed with both Nd-YAG (1.064 mm) and Nd-YLF (1.053 imm) laser wavelengths in a D2 plasma. The two infrared beams together with a green probe beam are focused collinearly in a gas chamber filled with D2 at different pressures. The green light scattered by the plasma is observed at 0?, 10? and 30? from the incident direction. The 10? data clearly shows the presence of a resonancewhen the plasma frequency is close to the frequency difference between the two pump beams.
The need for new particle acceleration techniques has led us to investigate the possibility of using plasmas to convert the transverse electric field of a high power laser into a high amplitude high phase-velocity electrostatic field. Plasmas can sustain electric fields many orders of magnitude higher than available in conventional accelerating structures. A relativistic electron plasma wave is excited by two coprpagating intense laser beams with slightly different frequencies. This is a resonant process in which the natural oscillation frequency of the electrons ̉ۡp has to be close to the frequency difference 60 between the two beams."Sooo.... Lets see.... two frequencies in the TPU say.... 5000 Hz and 5010 Hz beat together to make a 10 Hz frequency (can't tune to close) and this beat frequency couples to the 7.8 Hz Schumann resonance or Earth's electromagnetic field! There you go :).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you have a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.
Bucking coils. Each coil pair, 1/3, 2/4 pulsed with the different frequency. The magnetic interference would be huge.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 02:29:15 PM
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.
I will have to back you up on that. I just discovered the "touch lamp," well, sort of. When I hold the gate wire in my right hand and touch the ground with my left, the light goes off. When I touch the plus, the light goes on. I feel no shock or discomfort at all.
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile. Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude. As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc. At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.
Hi Rosphere,
Great to see that you got the circuit working! But I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way! Good work though! You should do some power measurements for the bulb and the power source to see what your COP is :).
In my case, my circuit ran on 4W from my power supply (25V @ 160 mA). You should try stacking the 9V batteries. to power it. I found that the circuit can run on a lot less voltage once you get it started. It just needs a good current boost to load the coil inductance for the first BEMF kick. Otherwise, it will just run for a second or so and then cut off, or not start at all.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 03:14:29 PM
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile. Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude. As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc. At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.
More weirdness. I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly. But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb. Then I touch the coil with my left finger. I get half/full brightness. I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out. I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on. Below, off. Above, on. Strange.
has anyone tryed to put your fet inside the coil yet between the opsing magfeilds?
im not to sure what would happin but i think the hall effect might just come in to play i have not tryed any of this yet as i dont even have the money to buy the right fets yet
but im back to work soon and im sure things will get fun verry soon!
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
...I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way!
Whew! You got to me in time. I put the cap back in. My widdo 'fet tanks you. :)
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 03:25:29 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 03:14:29 PM
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile. Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude. As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc. At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.
More weirdness. I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly. But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb. Then I touch the coil with my left finger. I get half/full brightness. I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out. I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on. Below, off. Above, on. Strange.
This is quite bizarre.
I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.
Quote from: gn0stik on April 18, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.
Yes it will turn off after I flip it over and all my leads short and/or detach. ;)
I get the feeling that I am currently in the process of learning how a MOSFET works. I just put two used 9V's together in series for my power supply. I get the same creepy effects as above but the ripple on my scope is gone. It acts like a switch and sometimes variable resistor depending upon where you stick your gate wire. All DC on my scope now.
Chaotic anomolies are hard to manage.
Of course MOSFETs aren't called 'Field Effect' for nothing. Hmmm. Stick 'em in the coil center?
@Otto, Non electrically connected/Isolated, Self oscillating, Field effected? What do you think about leaving the gate floating? Talk to me guy! You know you have been correct many times before ahead of the herd.
--giantkiller.
When i put the fet in the coil it boogers up the effect. Sometimes it stops all togather. Or like Rosphere's earlier post Momma-Poppa. spikes untill the oscilloations become unstable and stop.
Truning the ring over stops it. I think this has to do with bucking the earth's natural magnetic field. M.M.
Quote
....I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on. Below, off. Above, on. Strange.....
Rosphere
Unlike transistors, FETs are voltage controlled so it can be somewhere between conducting and not conducting when you touch the gate. So it acts like a "charge detector".
You can notice/reproduce this without the TPU.
To make the FET
not so sensitive to disturbance, add a resistor (like 10kohm) from Gate to Ground. This way static electricity like from human body does not effect to it.
The
less the resistance, more power is needed to control but
less sensitive it is to disturbance.
Looks like I found this 4.3MHz wave, about 8 volts peak to trough, centered on 15V DC.
The red wire in the photo is the "gate antenna." It likes to be where it is in the photo or no 4.3MHz.
EDIT: Thank you for the gate resistor tip, Sulake. :)
Hi guys, after speaking with Ronotte on gn0sis, he pointed out a circuit called a blocking oscillator. I compared the two circuits. The one we came up with, and a few of blocking oscillators, and reading how they work, and explanations of them, It seems that is what we have done here. A mosfet based blocking oscillator. As for the anomalous things we've seen, I'm not so sure. Just that the circuit we have would do the same thing. Here's some more information on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_oscillator
http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm
I'm not saying that the TPU doesn't use blocking oscillators, just that it's definitely not the whole solution.
Attached is a diagram of a blocking oscillator, and our circuit. I'm sure you will see the similarities.
Regards,
Rich
if this helps i found a self oscillator that is full ban with it is patented so if interested I'll post the web site. @ sulake - like the resistor trick but will a small peeking cap saddling the resistor increase the transit time ? also if any one wants the daily schumanns earths hertz rate there is a site that has an appratus that tranmmits to the net daily for the information - free
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 18, 2007, 06:39:46 PM
if this helps i found a self oscillator that is full ban with it is patented so if interested I'll post the web site. @ sulake - like the resistor trick but will a small peeking cap saddling the resistor increase the transit time ? also if any one wants the daily schumanns earths hertz rate there is a site that has an appratus that tranmmits to the net daily for the information - free
Hi,
I would be interested in these. Could you post both?
Thanks,
--giantkiller.
Your output pulse can be clipped to get rid of the crap at the bottom and then differentiated to make it tighter.
More on the blocking oscillator: http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm
30v out with 12v in. Mentions clipping the ringing, yada yada...
(Can use vacuum tubes too - for Mannix's sake.)
http://147.175.143.11/schr-e/index.php?filename=200704180100 Schummans heatz apperatis daily net brodcast in Heartz. Look for hawlands circut on this page http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws5.htm
Quote from: Grumpy on April 18, 2007, 07:12:26 PM
Your output pulse can be clipped to get rid of the crap at the bottom and then differentiated to make it tighter.
More on the blocking oscillator: http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm
30v out with 12v in. Mentions clipping the ringing, yada yada...
(Can use vacuum tubes too - for Mannix's sake.)
Or you can put a resister in front of the cap on the gate, and deaden the intermediate ringing, so that the spikes are much clearer.
that way it "sounds" like a gas powered rc car only, instead of a gas powered rc car racing a vacuum cleaner.
those who were there will know what I'm talking about.
One question, well I never have just one, but for now one, I know you guys aren't necessarily rebuilding SM's TPU, but has anyone thought about what the twin coils at the center of the large ring could be for?
@Jason,
Here is coil number 5. It's a twin-stack version. Each of the two coils have multi-strand single bifilar controls - wound over multi-strand bifilar flat ribbon.
~Dan
Dansway, those coils look too good to work. ;) :D
@Rosphere,
Having fun nailing down all the possibilites! ::)
:o
~Dan
Quote from: Dansway on April 19, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
@Jason,
Here is coil number 5. It's a twin-stack version. Each of the two coils have multi-strand single bifilar controls - wound over multi-strand bifilar flat ribbon.
~Dan
Nice :)
you are a fast builder.
A number of us have seen this freak wave live.
--giantkiller.
Blocking Oscillator Circuit...
Enjoy
~Dan
Here is the similar circuit that I mentioned:
@Grumpy
Now it's getting interesting....
We have the coils...
We now have the positive feedback pulsing circuit.....
Tuning and closing the "loop" is next...
~Dan
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Quote from: Grumpy on April 19, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Guess this puts an end to anymore TPU diatribe.
--giantkiller. Blows my tie back.
(Thank Otto for that site.)
GK - It is just words until applied, so - Just build it.!
In case any of you are wondering - all of our heads (minds) have been screwed with in our search for knowledge.
there is a box, Stand on it and look for real answers ;)
@Moab, Grumpy,
I am building.
These are the 2 collector PVCs I received. Ea is 20 turns 24 gauge 4" diam 1" height.
I have single wind 4 controls 25 turns ea.
2 layers roughed in.
The other one is a 6" diam 1 turn ezflow collector with 30 ft 22awg stranded bifilar 390721-bucking coil 4 segment controllers. I will post this pic when I get it roughed in.
Then I will terminate the two coils at the next step.
--giantkiller.
Great Work Roberto!!!!
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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.
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Yes Thanks Fatbird, I am trying to replicate it :D. Ronotte has offered his help in doing it as well. @Ronotte Grate Documentation. That makes life much easyier on the bench. @ Fatbird you should also replicate it Thanks! M.M.
Sure wish I could read doc files = )........... PDF....the universal format of internet documentation
Found the PDF version.... :-X
See my new avatar. I think we need a bunch of these fcukres in a ring with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil. One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other. Bring it on down now, one two three four... Sorry, I've been drinking.
:(
EDIT ONE: What I mean is that we have short sections of crashing control coils slanted in the same direction around a tall ring so as to send the resulting electron beams off on a slant around the ring. The top inner ring's fine copper wires catches the electrons and they move along in the opposite direction as the bottom ring. Bring all the right ends together and...
???
EDIT TWO: "Sir, back away from from the adult beverages." Wire photo added. I should wait until tomorrow to test it, if I remember what it is.
:P
I agree with the coil setup. I still need to read through and get more out of Ronette's writup but the principle seems simple. I do believe that self powered control coils is the way to go although there is less control over two different frequency inputs. What still boggles me is that we have him using a totally different frequency than what was mentioned by the professor (3-5Khz). And why? Why such high frequencies? (1.4Mhz). Almost makes me want to rewind to 8 control coils, each set of four being powered by a set of IC's switching at two different frequencies. Get my idea here? Still self powered and resonating but at two different frequencies and on two different sets of control coils with zero external frequency generator needed.
Ronette's writeup was impressive...
Quote from: UncleFester on April 20, 2007, 11:38:38 PM
Ronette's writeup was impressive...
Ronotte's writeup is impressive. ;)
New coil status update:
ezflow collector
7 bundles of 100 conductors ea 14 gauge, total of 4 gauge, phat.
4 controllers, wiil connect as 390721. These are special though. I doubled the turns. Massive bucking. Schematic included.
--giantkiller.
GK, nice looking coil there bud. You got some strong fingers, I bet you don't even cramp up from winding any more do you? Quick build!
Rosphere, Drink lots of water and take a PMS pill, or tylenol if you don't have that, before bed, and avoid coffee in the morning. It's a diuretic and the worst thing for a hangover.
I know the PMS thing sounds funny, but it balances out your water and prevents you from becoming dehydrated in the night, the major cause of hangovers.
All this should help you remember that mysterious bunch of wires on your desk in the morning, and what to do with it. And how you got that avatar. (nice by the way)
Quote from: gn0stik on April 21, 2007, 01:38:23 AM
Rosphere, Drink lots of water and...
Thanks man. I stopped about an hour ago. If I stay awake a bit longer and drink some water, as you said, I will be fine. The Red Green in me will not allow the PMS pill.
I was sending some 35KHz 9V-555 pulses into the two interlaced counter-wound coils, (I broke out the middle "turn around" section, cut it, and connected the right ends together-not shown in photo above. Also, I removed the winding pin shown in the photo above.) Essentially, two 50-wrap coils connected in parallel and counter-wound fixed at an angle to the speaker wire pair.
With probe connected to the two ends of only one of the two speaker wires, I saw flitting ghosts of vertical lines at a few resolutions of my 60MHz scope. Only about 10-20 mV ptp but look at my setup.
Next, I put more power into my little crashing coil with two weakened 9V's and that IRF840. I saw an interesting waveform.
@GK: Sorry about all of my drunk and disorderly posting last night.
Back in college, I would sometimes hear something new in class, my creative side would take over my mind for a while, and I would miss some of the lecture. This is what happened yesterday.
I was reading Ronotte's latest paper. That electron burst graphic got me thinking all by itself and I went off making a quick sketch, winding wire, draining batteries, and sharing my foolishness with the world. I did not even finish reading his paper.
So, today I hope to finish reading it. When I finish, I will probably end up deleting my posts from last night. Have a good laugh about them now.
@gn0stik: I woke up a bit late today but I feel fine, without the PMS pills. Thank you for your concern and advice last night. I may try that PMS pill trick one day,... when no one is looking. ;)
Mylords,
Quote from: Rosphere on April 20, 2007, 11:12:58 PM
... with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil. One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other ...
Just stumbled over that.
This somehow coincides with what I want to convey:
I think care should be taken to avoid cancellation of the currents which you create with your magnetic reconnections.
This will be difficult with a 100% symmetrical setup.
Is this why the effects of Otto's distorted mess ;-)
have not been replicated as yet?
If you take a look at the first photo in his thread again
Otto`s replication of Steven Mark`s TPU (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html)
and take note of how the lampwire cuts through his control coil...
Is everybody trying to build too symmetrical? so that the yellow electron flows which take off so nicely into two opposing directions in Rosphere's avatar, in the end cancel each other out?
Just thinking out loud.
Quote from: Gustav22 on April 21, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
Mylords,
Quote from: Rosphere on April 20, 2007, 11:12:58 PM
... with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil. One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other ...
Just stumbled over that.
This somhow coincides with what I want to convey:
I think care should be taken to avoid cancellation of the currents.
This will be difficult with a 100% symmetrical setup.
Is this why the effects of Otto's distorted mess ;-)
have not be replicated as yet?
If you take a look at the first photo in his thread again
Otto`s replication of Steven Mark`s TPU (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html)
and take note of how the lampwire cuts through his control coil...
Is everybody trying to build too symmetrical? so that the yellow electron flow which takes off so nicely into two opposing directions in Rosphere's avatar, in the end cancels itself out?
Just thinking out loud.
Trust me, put down the beer and finish reading Ronotte's document. ;)
You mention my avatar, which I just switched back to the Saturn Socket this morning. So, I will switch it back now, for a while.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 19, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Thanks Grumpy.
Extracting the good idea from the rubbish in the above paper...... we have NMR of copper may play a part in the operation of the TPU.
70% of copper is of one isotope.
The NMR of this isotope is 26.515441 Mhz (megahertz) relative to hydrogen.
As hydrogen has an NMR or 100MHz, this means the absolute NMR for copper is 126.515441 MHz.
If this is not the way of getting the absolute NMR from the relative NMR please shout up.An interesting experiment would be set up a copper coil that resonates at 126.515441 MHz and see what can be picked up either by a wire running through the coil (i.e. as a collector) or a separate coil placed at right angle to the resonating coil. At this point I'm not suggesting these coils are connected together. This is an experiment to see if pulsing a coil at the NMR frequency, where the coil also resonates at that same frequency, will generate any anomalous voltage/current measurements, in another coil or wire at different placements around the pulsed coil.
126+ MHz is obviously a high frequency to generate in a home lab setting, my function generator and scope only go up to 3MHz. Other lower frequencies that could be useful are those that are common factors of the above frequency. The common factors are:
13 Hz
1439 Hz
6763 Hz ***
18707Hz (1.87 kHz)
87919Hz (87.919 kHz)
9731957 Hz (9.731957 MHz)
6763Hz looks like an interesting first frequency to try.
a question if i can
who has finished the game ?
play the game to understand!!
.
::)
Somebody is going to burn something up. It is inevitable. Should a cash prize for offered for stumbling? How does one explain 'Playing Doctor Frankenstein' to the insurance company in a suburban environment? Is one covered in the act of TPUing under the influence? Ahem, Rosphere?
I can see the news now: Citizen levels house with $10.00s worth of items procured from local electronics store while inebriated. What was he drinking? Pale ale, wheat beer, lite beer? There will be a mad dash to the liquor stores. Bottles or cans? Didn't somebody say aluminum? Do they even make copper cans? I saw somebody sliced the cans with wire. That's it! I need to drink the whole six pack now to get enough metal. No, I think I'll get a keg and wrap copper tubing around it! I'll call it the Keg Power Unit! Does overunity equate to free beer?
That is a party with free firewoks! Who is going to be the first person who puts the first unmanned keg on the Moon?
--giantkiller. That should get somebody's attention.
Quote from: giantkiller on April 21, 2007, 12:49:43 PM
What was he drinking? Pale ale, wheat beer, lite beer? There will be a mad dash to the liquor stores. Bottles or cans?
George Killian's Irish Red - Four 12 OZ bottles
(And one can of some light beer offered by my neighbor in exchange for TPU stories.)
Quote from: giantkiller on April 21, 2007, 12:49:43 PM
I saw somebody sliced the cans with wire.
Like this? (See video.)
Why that looks like a 3 layer TPU! Just like mine! I could have blown my right hand off my wrist!
Looks like all the warnings are rightly founded, eh?
@All,
For the benefit of everybody: Be careful out there. We are close. We would like to approach overunity safely and not find ourselves there haphazardly.
--giantkiller.
So many threads...
See my image of slanted idea on Ronotte's thread here. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2240.0;attach=8440)
Read up on the properties of torsion and/or tempic fields.
@Moab, like this?
yes rosphere, Looks like a vary nice back scratcher ;D
Yep. Where did you get that so quick? Sure looks close to mine!
--giantkiller.
And today lets wipe some magnets across a wire.
Play mp4 with VLC player.
MRD showed me this yesterday.
More magnet field shearing, again. A simple bedini motor concept.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Moab on April 22, 2007, 02:11:50 AM
yes rosphere, Looks like a vary nice back scratcher ;D
Quote from: giantkiller on April 22, 2007, 07:06:42 AM
Yep. Where did you get that so quick? Sure looks close to mine!
--giantkiller.
It's "The Tingler!"
Well, I was trying to read about theory and Moab insisted that I drop everything make one of these. I used recycled parts, again.
I started testing way too late in the evening last night. I must have had my wires crossed, one of my new seven dollar 'FETs is broken already, or...
Today is a new day. :)
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 22, 2007, 03:16:04 PMGK you'll have to point me to the link please
Page 1 post 2 for the hookup jumpers.
Another thing: the amazing thing about using 30awg controllers is that the small wire actually produces very hi rf and microwave fields without burning the wire but can harm the handler. With 22awg and thicker one would have to supply more current.
Did anybody get a headache from lighting a light buld with their TPU? Or did anybody feel their flesh crawl or bones rattle? Hmmm. And with these results the amperage or voltage weren't reflective of the effects. Wow! But if one were to try to light a bulb (lower energy level) these specifications would be needed.
So during the quest for fire, I was working the microwave from the inside out. Good morning Viet Nam!
--giantkiller.
gee did we lose a couple of posts hahahah naaa GK i never have any fun sence i got my farady cage . oh and by the way don't hook up your megger when you have the scope hooked up - thats how i blew the probe card
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 23, 2007, 02:25:15 PM
gee did we lose a couple of posts hahahah naaa GK i never have any fun sence i got my farady cage . oh and by the way don't hook up your megger when you have the scope hooked up - thats how i blew the probe card
What did you think of this movie? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg29348.html#msg29348
--giantkiller.
hi gk
all ready been down that road it is a fake
it is being trigered by a cb radio .
wer
@ gk
if you want my thoughts and im sure you dont but hear they are
that has been the best movie ever and has only just begun. it seams like the more you watch it the more you see. its the kind of movie you want to watch over and over agin!!
is
is,
if you want my thoughts, and i'm sure you don't, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. DON"T AND THEY WON'T!!!!!
lol
sam
hi is
it took my by suprise too
watched at least 10 times i ask question emailed the builder.
after about 3 weeks the builder sait that it is a tuned circut to the rf out of a cb radio.
wer
HERE IS THE ANSWER !!!!
I have urgent news to pass onto you. This may be the most important post of my life. After long, long hours of going over every word that Steve Mark has said,
I HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING of how the unit works!!!!!!! It finally hit like lightning (no pun intended) this afternoon. I will use Steve?s own words to explain it Step by Step. It is so simple, but so complex just as he said. And once you UNDERSTAND HOW it works, the actual coil design just becomes that of preference. You will also see why only the ?controller? was patented. I am not an electronics guy, and maybe that is why I could LISTEN to all that he said and not interject my own thoughts and opinions into the clues. All I ask in return for this information is two things:
1.) Your second completed coil with controller sent to me to keep. (I could not even wire a schematic correctly.)
2.) Your finished diagram and total information posted here for the world to see. You can keep the over unity prize money and use my portion to reimburse yourself the expense of my completed unit.
He has given us EVERYTHING we need to understand the how and why his coil works. Sometimes in obvious language and sometimes in much hidden language, but not so hidden after I point it out to everyone!
Step one: Remove all thoughts of putting electrical power going INTO the TPU. It is not a transformer!
Step Two: Build the controller for the unit. (You WILL KNOW HOW to do this when you have finished reading this!)
Step Three: Start with a core. I recommend 1.5 inch diameter plastic tubing (or something similar to dampen vibrations) put into a 5? circle forming the coil shell.
Step Four: To Make the collector he told us. ?It is three SEPARATE coils of multi strand copper wire laid ONE ON TOP of the other.? (remember, he said the frequency changes automatically(PROPORTIONAL) based on the ?circumference? This is why they are laid one on top of the other to slightly offset the frequency running through each one. We will get to that soon.) Three is important, they can be hooked in series or parallel. It give you greater flexability. I would suggest using #14 g. stranded. (Lamp Chord) Strip the ends exposing the strands on both ends.
Step Five: Make the ends into a ?spark gap?. This should probably be done at the ?top? of the unit.
Step Six: Place a LARGER wire, (less resistance) BETWEEN your spark gap. Perhaps #12 or even #10 Stranded. This is how you get those silly electrons to go where you want! We will call this our collection area.
Step Seven: That larger stranded wire runs from BETWEEN your spark gap (make sure it is stripped and exposed but not touching. This becomes your first control wire and is ?wrapped perpendicular of the collection wires.? I do not think direction of wrap is important. Similar to what you have done.
SPARK GAP: HIS WORDS:
Clue #1 Spark Gap
?The key to the KICK?S strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.?
Clue #2 Spark Gap
?These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.?
Clue #3 Spark Gap
?All these frequencies occasionally MET at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.?
Clue #4 Spark Gap (From the ?Parable?)
??and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together so he DISCONNECTED the return wire before any of them arrived home.?
??twisting and turning round and round when they noticed that their END CONNECTION was somehow gone..?
?it really was a case of either jump or be pushed.?
HOW IT works and what the controller needs to do. THIS IS THE UNDERSTANDING: After this we can experiment to our hearts content.
To MAKE the TPU function, a controller must be built that does the following:
1. Pulses (or straight, not sure which will be more effective) of High frequency (DON?T WORRY, he even told us which ones work!! LOL) The high frequency is pulsed FIRST into one of the 14 gage wires at the ?SPARK GAP? Traveling CLOCKWISE (might be opposite of what I write and be counter clockwise first, and will be easy to experiment and find out.) and THEN (here you have one of two choices, but one of them is the answer.)
CHOICE NUMBER 1:
The second wire is then given a pulse/input traveling in the OPPOSITE direction. This is what he calls a ?Harmonic? (Counterclockwise if the first collector wire received clockwise.)
The third overlaid collection coils then receives the input the same as the first.
His Words:
?LISTEN, you need to make three coils or so one on TOP of the other. There needs to be three of them all the way around. START THEM UP ONE AT A TIME each.
First Frequency then second harmonic component into the second (INPUT in opposite direction) then the third.
Choice Number 2: (THIS IS the one I would try FIRST. I think this is IT!!!)
Wires 1 through 3 are fed ONE AT A TIME, HIGH frequency in the ranges he told us and THEN wires 1 through 3 are fed ONE AT A TIME, ?Harmonics?. THIS IS the same frequency headed in the opposite direction. WHEN THEY MEET AT THE SPARK GAP you have (BIG KICK)
2. So now what you have are two separate and distinct, very high frequencies traveling on the SAME STRANDED WIRES in OPPOSITE directions. This will later give the unit it?s gyro like effect.
Clues: Same Wire Different Direction Clues in his words:
?The control frequencies are important in order to MAKE POWER from the collector?
?When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies COMBINED TOGETHER..?
?I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.?
?But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is MORE then the power available to begin with.?
?ALL these frequencies OCCASIONALLY MET at the same time with a much larger KICK AT THE OUTPUT?
?The MULTIPLE frequencies TRAVELING AROUND the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort?
??it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire TRAVELING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have DIFFERENT electron flow through a single wire completely separate from each other. I TRIED IT AND HE IS RIGHT!?
?In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies WITHIN THE SPACE of the collector coil?s (three separate ones!) CIRCUMFERENCE.?
?Rotation of field?How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be??
From the ?Parable?:
?but was more worried about them COLLIDING with each other in his castle?)
The above IS WHY THERE IS A GYRO EFFECT!
3. The PERMANENT MAGNET is positioned JUST ABOVE the ?SPARK GAP? to allow the weak magnetic field to turn all of those pesky electrons, into current for our use. IT IS BRILLIANT and UNBELIEVABLY simple. His own words tell us why it works. Remove the magnet and the unit simply stops putting out electrical power, ?winding down? as the last of the electrons exit once the magnet is removed!
4. 35K resonance. 35.705K frequency all the way to 245K HZ (one video he said that it put out high voltage and a little frequency about 5000 hz). This is the range his own words clued us. He is very good with words and electrons. He was wanting to give us details without them sounding like details. It is no wonder he was frustrated no one was listening. They heard but didn?t understand.
5. ?The frequency will change with the circumference of the coil.? In other words the frequency that works for the 4? may not work as well for a larger unit.
6. THE KILL SWITCH, please remember this in the controller. The kill switch need to cut ALL FREQUENCIES being input into both sides of the 3 collector coils!!
(NOTES: REMEMBER the collector?s wires are the smallest. Perhaps you could try one coil first to experiment. First control wire from the spark gap is larger and wrapped perpendicularly around THE INDIVIDUAL COIL, and the Second control wire is the largest and wraps around all of the colletors.)
?Through God ALL THINGS are possible!? ïÂÅ
Regards,
Bruce
SORRY!! PLEASE GO TO "This is HOW THE TPU WORKS!!!!" Thread to reply. Thank you!
@btentzer,
Before anybody gets to you for slamming reasons I would like to thank you for putting together the obvious explanations. Based upon what you have put together I can see that you have been intently reading and paying attention. And I might add very clearly understanding the clues.
Thanks for posting in this thread.
If you can put a bitmap here of lines and circles about how you think the layers would look like that would be great. Something simple and sloppy is ok. If not that is ok too.
Others have claimed this is my thread so let me be the official greeter. I also love comical retortes. I have been known to post a few.
--giantkiller. Welcome, everyone has value.
I have put a downloadable pic in a new thread.
Thank you, and please make all further replys to my post at " This is HOW THE TPU WORKS!!!! Thread. Per Stefan, thanks!
it seams like a lot of thinking is going on in hear well if everyone is thinking and not reading humm.... i played that game b4 too but hear is a thought form me to anyone what if ottos test drawing is only the collector?
i will say no more because i dont have to i will be reading!!
is
Why are you wound this way, little coil, why?
One black semi mobius coil.
"Semi" mobius coil = no mobius cable? (http://www.quantumbalancing.com/toroidal_coils.htm)
6 AWG.
Six coils.
Three groups of two.
Clock wise from hoop ends:
Orange. White. Green.
Alternate winding directions.
Clock wise from hoop ends:
Orange Left hand.
Orange Right hand.
White Left hand.
White Right hand.
Green Left hand.
Green Right hand.
All connected in series.
Why the break between Orange and White?
Coil winding lengths appear different.
Coil overlap ratios appear different!
Winding Lengths and Overlap Ratios appear related to color.
Overlap sections at ends of adjacent colors!
Are all colors cut the same length?
Is each coil on a mobius wind???
Why, little coil, why?
In the Stevennew.mp4, Steven is slinging the TPU around with no respect to the horizontal plane and the light does not flicker.
But when he is done with the 4" unit he turns it over. Maybe a mercury switch or in a new horizontal plane.
--giantkiller.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rane.com%2Fn159fig2.gif&hash=87819618273f0a82fd26baff4eb56aaf68d483aa)
Below I use the term loosely, wherever you have two sets of coiled wire next to each other that are magnetically coupled (as in the TPU) you have this transformer effect.
The above is what happens when a 'tranformer' goes into saturation.
The blue is the voltage and the red is the current on the primary.
As the voltage rises the transformer goes into saturation. At saturation the primary appears as a short so the current surges because the effective resistance has gone to zero.
What is nice about this peak is that it is a high current peak but without any of the pesky back EMF when you switch a circuit.
Zip several of these waveforms around your coils a few times and combine them together in other 'transformers'...
Tesla created radiant energy using high voltage and high current spikes.
Here is my study of firing the control coils in sequence with a ring counter circuit to make a rotating field.
~Dan
Quote from: giantkiller on April 24, 2007, 12:24:55 PM
In the Stevennew.mp4, Steven is slinging the TPU around with no respect to the horizontal plane and the light does not flicker.
But when he is done with the 4" unit he turns it over. Maybe a mercury switch or in a new horizontal plane.
--giantkiller.
But the coil makes a specific sound when he lifts it...
:)
@joe dirt,
I also have a few of these chokes made with magnets on them. The core is being somewhat saturated in one direction.
Application for these chokes?
~Dan
bob.rennips wrote: -
"Tesla created radiant energy using high voltage and high current spikes."
Give yourself 10 out of 10!
Those chokes were used in older TV's for adjusting the width.
The HHO guys are using chokes to make pulse circuits to split water molecules. Guess it is more of a pulse transformer when they are done with it.
Some of SM's TPU pictures/videos show what appears to be two chokes in the center with a few capacitors. Could be a pulse circuit - could be something else.
@Mannix,
Here ya go...
A non-working tube oscillator on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATHKIT-EUW-27-VACUUM-TUBE-SIGNAL-GENERATOR-HELP_W0QQitemZ290106708455QQihZ019QQcategoryZ97198QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
~Dan
Quote from: bob.rennips on April 24, 2007, 12:44:04 PM
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rane.com%2Fn159fig2.gif&hash=87819618273f0a82fd26baff4eb56aaf68d483aa)
Below I use the term loosely, wherever you have two sets of coiled wire next to each other that are magnetically coupled (as in the TPU) you have this transformer effect.
The above is what happens when a 'tranformer' goes into saturation.
The blue is the voltage and the red is the current on the primary.
As the voltage rises the transformer goes into saturation. At saturation the primary appears as a short so the current surges because the effective resistance has gone to zero.
What is nice about this peak is that it is a high current peak but without any of the pesky back EMF when you switch a circuit.
Zip several of these waveforms around your coils a few times and combine them together in other 'transformers'...
Tesla created radiant energy using high voltage and high current spikes.
So what you may ask ?
When using a mosfet to pulse you get ringing on both the on and off of the pulse. Ringing is by definition AC. Tesla has made it abundantly clear that radiant effects require DC pulses, with no return of currents. This is why this transformer effect is very interesting. The current pulse appears without any ringing. Althoug the above effect is for an AC signal causing the saturation. You could force the saturation by apply a DC voltage to the transformer. Thus ensuring that saturation only occurs in one half of the cycle thus only getting current pulses in one direction.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 24, 2007, 05:19:52 PM
bob.rennips wrote: -
"Tesla created radiant energy using high voltage and high current spikes."
Give yourself 10 out of 10!
Much of what I see on here concentrates on voltage pulses, some using resonance, but without any real current behind the voltage pulses. The exeption being those that have some sort of capacitance behind the pulse. e.g. the stun gun examples.
We could go down the road of high voltage capacitors, spark-gaps, etc. but SMs devices don't appear to exhibit sparking artifacts. e.g. white noise on TV screens. There is a video where the TV is working within several feet of the TPU. I've had spark gaps going that cause noise from 10's of meters.
Therefore another method is required to generate high voltage, high current pulses without switch ringing. As the above meets this requirement, this is why this setup is interesting.
Quote from: Dansway on April 24, 2007, 12:48:12 PM
Here is my study of firing the control coils in sequence with a ring counter circuit to make a rotating field.
~Dan
Nice coils. What components are you using for the ring counter ? I assume it's a 555 timer or func generator -> shift register -> mosfet driver -> mosfet->coil type of arrangement ?
I had been using one of these:
http://www.oceancontrols.com.au/motor_controller/microstepping_motor_controllers.htm
I had four 'motor' coils arranged on a wooden board in typical 2 phase motor arrangement
but all Norths pointing towards the center, so basically pulsing north facing towards center, magnetic pulses in a circle. I placed another air core solenoid over the whole arrangement. i.e. Like placing a pipe vertically over the coils so the circumference of the one pipe covered all the 4 coils. In otherwords this solenoid is at 90 degrees to the four coils.
I placed 12 volts DC from a car battery across this solenoid in series with a 15ohm 20watt resistor.
A function generator pulsed the microstep controller. I had the whole thing running at around 6.8Khz. I was looking at waveforms on the scope to see if the DC coil, even though it was at 90 degrees to the other coils, affected the scope waveform. No real difference detected.
The DC coil was connected to one battery and the microstep and the four coils to another battery. I used two batteries is so that there would be no possibility of electrical noise from the 4 coil switching going
over the wires to the DC coil via the common connections to a single battery.
The connection to the DC coil came loose at the battery and was sparking and then POOF the whole
microstep controller goes up in smoke. You could smell burnt up electrolytic capacitors and could see resistors burnt out on opening the box up.
Theoretically there should have been no coupling between the DC coil and the four coils... so this is a
very interesting result. However, I can't afford to burn up $99+, each time I try this!, so now looking for a cheaper homemade circuit, to continue the 'burning' experiment.
@ bob.rennips
sorry about the controler man.
do you have a pic of your setup
thanks
wer
TIP:
Rather than using a resistor in series with your Power Supply, try using a 6V or 12V Auto Tailight Bulb. Not only does it work great, it also provide a nice visual illumination indication of what is going on.
At Resonance the Bulb will go dark. At Non Resonance you will notice the Bulb getting brighter.
If a short occurs, the bulb lights up rather than smoking more resistors.
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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.
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I'm using data 4013's for the ring counter and I'm having them fire the m-fets.
The function gen is on the clock imput for the first flip-flop and I just walk the pulse over 3 more times, thus giving me 4 pulses in series - one after the other. Pulse 1 - 2 -3 -4 and then back to 1.... etc etc.
Regards,
~Dan
My greatest concern for all is that a little bit of noise gained the most attention ever.
Over 5 thousand views for the prize of not knowing.
We have to figure out a way to be less democratic up front so as to avoid givings fools the right to commit dire sins.
Let us consume our words with less risk of vomit.
--giantkiller. 'nuff sed.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Recycling saves precious resources. ;)
wire a stereo?
For all you cowboys and renegades out there:
This TPU project is a mind blowing, mind growing deal!
Fermilab is the mainframe, the tpu is the micro. The effects on the desktop are the same.
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm
Read the reference list. Pm'd by a TPU buddy. THX1138.
--giantkiller. Shut up and keep up!
A FIRST COURSE IN PHYSICS
Millikan and Gale
1906, 1913
Revised Edition
Page 272
Quote from: giantkiller on April 25, 2007, 11:59:16 PM
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm
The patent is full of information pertaining to all the mysterious OU devices and accompaning physics. But all I can see is the guy is trying to patent why water flows downhill. I didn't see any new devices or at least nothing we haven't been working with. This is basically a
Name it and claim it sheet. He has nothing and I don't see how it received any patent status at all.
--giantkiller. This toilet paper won't stop me!
@gk
I disagree with your Barbat assesment. Quality clues are hard to come by!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2255.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2255.0.html)
Here's a text block from the Mode of Operation section that speaks for itself:
[0092] The oscillations in the energy-magnifying coil are initiated by an external energy-input source that provides an initiating impulse of electron flow in the sending coil. For example, the external energy-input source can be an adjacent independent electromagnet or an adjacent permanent magnet moved rapidly relative to the sending coil. The initiating impulse commences an oscillation in the sending coil that stimulates radiation of inductive photons from the sending coil to the energy-magnifying coil. Energy from the external energy-input source is magnified by the apparatus so long as the energy-magnifying coil does not act as an independent oscillator at a different frequency. Independent oscillation is desirably avoided by connecting the ends or terminals of the energy-magnifying coil to each other in such a way that it results in one continuous coil, or a continuous multiple-coil system or systems, connected together in such a way that continuity exists for the conduction of low-mass electrons throughout the entire coil system. The energy-magnifying coil inductively creates more energy in the output coil than the energy of the initial impulse. The resulting magnified output of electrical energy produced by the apparatus is available for useful purposes in a work loop.
[0093] After initiation the apparatus is made self-sustaining using a feed-back loop arranged in parallel with the work loop that includes the sending coil, and with a capacitor located in the feed-back loop to make it an L-C circuit. I.e., after start-up of the apparatus using the external energy-input source, the apparatus becomes self-resonating, which allows the external energy-input source to be decoupled from the apparatus without causing the apparatus to cease production of electrical energy.
[0094] During normal self-sustained operation, a portion of the output electrical energy is returned to the sending coil by the feed-back loop, thereby obviating the need to use the external energy-input source for sustaining the oscillations in the sending coil. In other words, after startup the external energy that was used by the sending coil to excite the photoconductive material or the superconducting material in the energy-magnifying coil is replaced by a portion of the output energy produced by the apparatus itself. The remainder of the output electrical energy is available in the work loop for useful purposes.
[0095] Initiating the generation of electrical energy by the apparatus takes advantage of the fact that the inductive back-force sent from the output coil to the energy-magnifying coil (and hence ultimately back to the sending coil) arrives at the sending coil one cycle behind the corresponding pulse that initiated the flow of electrons. This one-cycle lag of the back-force, as well as a corresponding one-cycle lag in the feed-back, enables small starting pulses produced in the sending coil to produce progressively greater electrical outputs each successive cycle. Consequently, assuming the electrical load is not excessive during startup, only a relatively few initiating cycles from the external energy-input source typically are needed for achieving production by the apparatus of an amount of output power sufficient for driving the load as well as providing sufficient energy feedback to the sending coil in a sustained manner.
tak
He is basically trying to say. If in the future a self sustaining solidstate generaitor is made It was my idea first, He covers alot of past inventors work. and mentions uses of such an invention. But If ya ask me it would be like Gene Rodenbury "saying I want royalties from the cell phone companies for infringment on the Personal Digital communicators", (CellPhones). LOL :D No patant will ever come of it. It is far too broad and makes no claim of (Real) proof.He says nothing that you couldnt say when discribeing how a TV works. Or what SM said during his videos. The boys down at the office want Proof and specific information.
M.M.
He describes a dead device that over time degrades operationally through losses. Standard laws of physics. He also encapsulates part of the operation in a super coolant to reduce losses. Since the standard TPU operation does not use superconductive entities then the TPU is exempt from this description. The key factors of the working TPU are the harmonics, rotational field, gyroscopic entity, and magnetic ringing which are inherant factors of nature. These can not be patented. We are free to run wild. RFC.
I would like patent 'Breathing'. I know how to do it, explain it, hold it, write about it, I can even keep you from infringing upon my discovery by choking the sh*t out of you all till I have no negative judgement whatsoever. So there! Now you have to hold your breath till you gain a breathing license from me... Do I have tell you everything till I am blue in the face?
--giantkiller.
I guess this is where I'm thinking different ... I could care less that this is a "patent" .... to me it's just well researched and documented info, and I see quite a bit of pertinent info both spelled out and between the lines.
I'll continue to look carefully for a replication opportunity in the Barbat data. I didn't bring this to this thread so this is the last I'll say here. Coils are cool, we'll get a perfect one yet!
@gk
You say it "degrades operationally through losses", can you give a quick explanation for this over in the Barbat thread? Thanks!
tak
Ok I would like to apply for a permit to continue to breathe untill i can obtain a license, What is the cost of said permit? :P <-- What Moab looks like when being choked by GK.. :-X <-- Holding breath. till permit arives ;)
Quote from: tak22 on April 26, 2007, 05:47:52 PM
I guess this is where I'm thinking different ... I could care less that this is a "patent" .... to me it's just well researched and documented info, and I see quite a bit of pertinent info both spelled out and between the lines.
I'll continue to look carefully for a replication opportunity in the Barbat data. I didn't bring this to this thread so this is the last I'll say here. Coils are cool, we'll get a perfect one yet!
@gk
You say it "degrades operationally through losses", can you give a quick explanation for this over in the Barbat thread? Thanks!
tak
Newton's 3rd law? Friction has been on our backs for a very long time.
And yes, you're right, the paper has an immense amount of descriptions in it. But it does not show proof of a working device. That, my friend, is our workload here.
--giantkiller. My retortes are always meant in a comical manner. :D
I think I will get a bit nosey since pdx is where I am. Who knows what might turn up in the shaker.
S.
a question
who all has played with stun guns?
and what is the lowest voltage a stun gun will fire and what if you used it 1 time or 1 fire to start the operation of the tpu?
humm...
@gk
what do halls do do they make an echo and is that echo traped in the tpu contuinaly circulating around the rings?
so if you took a zap from a stun gun and sent it through some hall audio effects and sent that through the collectors at a freq that the heavy gage wire can not handle it would spatter out in the control and feedback windings ?
and if those winding went to the next collector and repeated and then to the top and repeated you would end up with much more than the first zap?
so now knowing what was said be low the halls are our fets and they must be inside the collector where the control coils end and if we maid another 50 turn coil and conncet it to our fets and used the mag feilds to trip the fets with our other coil it all could then start with 1 hv pluse from the stun gun but i think we will need 2 or mabe 3 stun gun circuits
just a few thoughts i thought i might share
is
@IS - Laymans terms: A hall effect IC is a magnetic switch. Run a magnet by it and it either turns on or off. Kind of like a reed, just not mechanical like a reed, and they use more juice.
Some of them need one pole to turn on, and the other pole to turn off. This is called a bipolar Hall effect switch. The other kind needs only one pole for both so the same magnet can turn it on or off. Unipolar.
This is tpu #6 for me.
@Jason,
I'll be testing this NEW tpu tonight. ;)
Regards,
~Dan
Quote from: Dansway on April 27, 2007, 05:44:36 PM
This is tpu #6 for me.
Why do I have a craving for chocolate donuts all of a sudden?
I better stick with my big mac. ;)
Looks good, DW!
PS: Just now picked me up a nifty knitter!
Oh wow!
collector has +5volts dc thru a 10 ohm.
The magnet bundles are 3 pairs opposing with 3 turns 30 awg on a single wire thru a 10 ohm.
5 volts 71.8khz on magnet bundles.
The test was to see the effect of a dc biased collector.
Very strange wave output. Spikes, hash stepped waveform.
This just in: I will call this one Stonehenge.
--giantkiller.
i don't get it is that good?
hi all
great looking coil dan
wow!!!!! nice rich wave form and coil GK
to all keep up the good work.
just got my scope in a kikusui cos6100m 100mhz
now all i need is a square wave generator.
wer
wow GK nice wave form and cool winding is that 7.0 air coil mmmmmmm oh hommer we need to add the protron net work mmmm dddddoooo naaaa it's just a flux resistor hahahahaha good work
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on April 28, 2007, 09:17:27 AM
wow GK nice wave form and cool winding is that 7.0 air coil mmmmmmm oh hommer we need to add the protron net work mmmm dddddoooo naaaa it's just a flux resistor hahahahaha good work
The magnet pair coil was suggested by Moab originally by Ironhead. It looked just too simply not to do. I add the helmholtz as a secondary. A group of us were up into the wee hours collaberating, Danswaay, Jdo300, Moab, Rosphere, Gn0sis, myself, Ronotte joined later from Italy when he got out of bed with his coffee latte. That was 1:30 am mountain time.
The helmholtz collector was previously suggested by Moab. It is 20 turns of 30awg magnet wire.
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More fun with frequencies. Many of us have gotten the ringing wave form with a coil.
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/Helmholtz.html
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Anyway, just results in a small step from group think. It doesn't stop here.
--giantkiller.
Okay now, who's TPU did this? ;D
Careful now!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6602677.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6602677.stm)
Quote from: sulake on April 28, 2007, 10:25:33 AM
Okay now, who's TPU did this? ;D
Careful now!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6602677.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6602677.stm)
Great...
First rockets fall out of the sky, now earthquakes. If I put on a couple more collectors do I get Tsumanis?
My coil was on at that time or it could be resonance ringing. I haven't turned my coil on as of Mountain time zone morning.
My latest has magnets in the outer coil. Folkestones? Is it a mini Stonehenge? Baby haarp?
--giantkiller. Haphazard operations can lead to disasters by anomilies.
A bunch of small pieces all put to gather will show the big picture.
This is why we test this and test that. Only to understand what is going on and far more importantly WHY it does what it does.
It takes an understanding on a wholey different levil sometimes. These test or rather a bunch of test put togather have shown me that we only think we understand the workings of energy. For the most part we are still only working on theroy of what we believe to be true. And not nessassarly what electricity really is when we strip down all the BS that we think it is and get to the heart of the matter (Literally) ;) without a real understanding we may as well paint our rings viagra blue and call it a day.
hi gk
how about try putting 1 freq in on the left coil
and the secent feq in on the right coil at the same time
useing 2 pultzers???
wer
Moab , GK and Group Well done
IronHead
Moab? Dan? Jason? any pics to post from your setups?
:o
nice work guys!
:) :D ;D 8)
Hey Gn0stik,
I have an interesting little experment I did last night which I'll write up and post later tonight. It has to do with a piece of wire with frequencies going into it :).
God Bless,
Jason O
:)
Crashing sine waves modulate over amplitude in the same time. Crashing square waves modulate over time in the same amplitude.
Perhaps the Helmholtz coils need to oppose to allow field lines to pass into and out of the three null points around the center collector.
:)
Quote from: Moab on April 28, 2007, 12:55:30 PM
A bunch of small pieces all put to gather will show the big picture.
This is why we test this and test that. Only to understand what is going on and far more importantly WHY it does what it does.
It takes an understanding on a wholey different levil sometimes. These test or rather a bunch of test put togather have shown me that we only think we understand the workings of energy. For the most part we are still only working on theroy of what we believe to be true. And not nessassarly what electricity really is when we strip down all the BS that we think it is and get to the heart of the matter (Literally) ;) without a real understanding we may as well paint our rings viagra blue and call it a day.
Energy as we know it starts with a scalar torsion field - one dimensional - aka "time".
I have 3 levels of ringing. I made another flux resistor coil. This is 3 pairs of opposing magnets north facing in. 132 degrees around the pvc ring from the previous experiment only I used 22 awg and wound the pairs as 3 then 5 then 7 turns. 1.1khz freq. into the new coil and 5volts bias into the helmholtz collector of 30awg 20 turns, 23 feet.
I'll leave it running for an hour the turn it off. We'll see what kind of disasterous anomily appears somewhere on the planet.
I am trying to post a asf file.
@dirt,
cool coil anime.
--giantkiller. OohWee!
gk,
now if you could just make it a flux capacitor, we can find one of those old stainless steel cars, and with enough power we could take a shortcut and come back with the answers at once. keepup the good work i'll go look for the car. anybody know where we can get the power? 8)
lol
sam
at all,
i think i have the solution to the power problem. how about a tpu?
dammit hurry up!
lol
sam
ps. keep up the good work guys, we are still watching
has anyone played with crystals yet? to make the beat freq? like an echo and send 1 1 way through 1 wire on 1 freq and send the other through the same wire in the other dirriction on the off freq?
i will be building a new tpu tommorow i will show some pics of it when i finish it
i think it will be diffrent than what we all have seen so far but you just never know!
is
2 bucking Helmhotz coils.
The top one is a new addition. It is magnet groupings of 2, 3, 4 with 3, 5, 7 turns respectively.
No power or current. That is a different issue. I am once again concerned with the frequency harmonics and patterns like in the GK4 January test.
In the videos I want you to focus on the high freq vertical wiper going across the bottom level. It follows the compression part of the signal and has ringing. And look at the ringing in the middle wave line!
This is way too cool!
There is evidence of a slower ringing just below the upper most part of the bottom section. You can see the undulating dots.
These coils are unbelievably quick to build. one layer takes about 15 minutes.
--giantkiller.
:)
Quote from: Moab on April 28, 2007, 12:55:30 PM
A bunch of small pieces all put to gather will show the big picture.
This is why we test this and test that. Only to understand what is going on and far more importantly WHY it does what it does.
It takes an understanding on a wholey different levil sometimes. These test or rather a bunch of test put togather have shown me that we only think we understand the workings of energy. For the most part we are still only working on theroy of what we believe to be true. And not nessassarly what electricity really is when we strip down all the BS that we think it is and get to the heart of the matter (Literally)...
Yes; we already know what will happen when we do it the customary way of destroying the dipole to power a load.
Today, we call the process of destroying the dipole
without powering a load, a short.
Tomorrow, we will call the process of destroying the dipole
to power a load, a short. Perhaps to distinguish it from
the old sort of short, (say that 10 times fast,) we will refer to all of todays electronics as, "brown short," devices, (in the same way we distinguish a "brown-out" from a "black-out" today.)
We need to do discrete testing to learn discrete new things. We also then need to explain these (re)discoveries outside the bounds of classic explanations and perhaps make some preliminary new equations or at least table some empirical data.
Quote from: Moab on April 28, 2007, 12:55:30 PM
...Without a real understanding we may as well paint our rings viagra blue and call it a day.
:D :D :D
EDIT: We have already learned, for example, that crashing sine waves modulate over amplitude in the same time, crashing square waves modulate over time in the same amplitude, and crashing triangle/sawtooth exhibit both of these qualities.
How bout you keep your brown shorts discreet.
Ahh, potty humor. The universal funny.
Quote from: gn0stik on April 29, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
How bout you keep your brown shorts discreet.
Ahh, potty humor. The universal funny.
I was
so deep into the theory that I almost missed that one! :D... :D
Did I actually write, "brown short," this morning?
What an awful term. But, then again, it has been an awful past century, in that it was not what it might have been,... electronically. So, yeah, brown short device fits. Folks in the future will brown their shorts when they hear how long we actually paid for the use of each electron, on top of the device cost itself.
well i finished most of the rings there 3 of them there are 4 control windings on them they will be hooked up bucking i used 5 feet of 18 ga speeker wire folded it in half than rolled a pancake coil for all the collectors and they are waound all the same dirrection then i used 18 ga magnet wire and i used 5 feet per control it worked to 40 turns per control and a total of 20 feet of magwire per collector
and 2 of my rings are the same and the other 1 is diffrent all of my control windings are wound in the same dirrection but i think that the top ring will travel in 1 dirrection and the bottom in the other and the center ring will spin in same dirrection as top 1
i will add my pictures soon and a few more thoughts on how it might be hooked up
what you see so far in my pic is NOT AT ALL FINISHED!! i have more work to do on it but im still thinking on how i will get it done but ithink steel will be involved and mabe just some alum too but humm... where and how im still thinking
also if you think of how many posible ways you could hook it up you could just go crazy but i think i have a cupple good ideas on how to hook it all up ;)
is
so far in my pictures i have 5 bucks from the dallor store and to disgarded transfrmers from old cordless drill chargers source of my mag wire but im still not done this unit yet i think that there is still more to it
hi IS
wowooo great looking rings
keep going good work
wer
I know that they lie hidden somewhere in the jungle. I know their similar physical forms, but I know not their rhythms, much less their melody.
I can hold them in my hand. Yet, I can not find them in the jungle.
I consult the great web with dimensions and specifications. A path is given. I cut my way through the undergrowth of spreadsheets, capacitors, potentiometers, and wires with nothing but an old scope and a cheap multimeter to light my way.
Stumbling over another dead pile of nine volts, I fall on my face each night and awake lost in the jungle, once again, the following day.
I gnash my teeth as I do the reach around, once again, and try not to dig too deep into my ever thinning wallet for help. It is the only way, sometimes, and this is one of those times.
Henry promised to help me find them. I need this to find Henry first.
Hmmmm how poetic ::)
I bought one of those exact LCR meters from eBay for $31.90 including shipping. It definitely works great for our purposes and I suggest that all serious TPU builders have one in their equipment collection :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Yep, eBay; $32.93 total, (with shipping.) Should arrive in several days time.
...and while I have my wallet out...
This function generator is the same as yours, Jason, but without the fancy black box of science. ;)
It cost me $39.95, purchased locally.
sweet. I gots ta find me some of those cheapo function generators.
i have some more pictures i will be showing there is still 1 more wrap to go over all the rings and im not sure if i will put steel in the wrap or not i will have to play with it but i think this tpu or want to be tpu is almost done !
i have been trying for a wile now to post my next picture of my rings with no luck dont know why i will keep trying finaly it took 1.5 hours to up load my pic
now i will be soldering the wires togather and doing 1 more wrap with speeker wire over all 3 rings that will be output and also the speeker windings that you see in the picture will be out put and all of my collectors will be wired to put there out put back in to the next collector then you will get the cannon ball effect from 1 collector to the next and the cannons on the next ring will add to it and the 3rd as well will add then it will go back through and the bottom collector and repeate. the out put collectors are not hooked up to the input only induction cuppled
also i think that we may only need 1 pluse off and on then a crystal at the right freq for the ring but im only guessing here i still have a lot more work on this ring but i think it is getting there and also how about an alumnimum ring and set the tpu on top of it will make the 4th ring and it will cupple to the earths magnetic feild but agin im guessing i will add more pics as i finish this tpu
is
http://www.elenco.ws/manuals/sm-9600k.pdf+sm9600-k&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
the SM-9600K Function Generator Kit
data
good job IS. Looking good.
Tesla is alive and kicking in the TPU!So when Tesla drove a Tesla coil the device emitted externally.
Let's drive one backward and the device sucks in everything, right?
Lightning, RE, wind, gravity(thump, thump, thump).
Also reference patent 5,590,031 attached.
[9:11:41 PM] Dan LaRochelle says: it's basically a backwards Tesla coils, but the gauge of primary and secondary remain the same etc...
Jason says major kickage!
Thanks JDO300, Danswaay.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mssd/jed/experimental.html
Pay attention to wave lengths!
Suppose we make a Tesla coil secondary that is exactly one wavelength long, then suppose we wind it around a toroid instead of a cylinder, and when we are finished winding our coil we connect the ends of the wires and solder them (making one really large closed loop). Theory says that a full wavelength should fit nicely in a coil that is one full wavelength long (seems reasonable). Interestingly we could argue that the very same secondary coil is really two wavelengths long (or three or more) and if we drive the secondary at the right frequency this becomes true. With a two wave length coil we would have 4 voltage nodes and with a three wavelength coil we would get 6 voltage nodes (and these nodes will alternate in polarity as they must).
--giantkiller. We be running backward!
Geeks rule! Go forth and Build!Quote from: giantkiller on September 04, 2006, 12:31:59 AM
In regards to Stephen Mark rings: Let's go back to basics. The first coil is 3", the 2nd coil is 6", and the 3rd coil is 17" in dia.
All devices have their electronics in the middle. The 3" and the 6" have lumps. The 17" has clearly visible drivers of some type in the center.
But if one were to have 4 AAA batteries to a two stage transistor ocsillator at 5k, one could achieve(with the right amout of turns) a step up transformer capable of the output shown. The device could be Telsa coil of some sort. The 6" and 17" are just bigger versions.
On another note:
In the 'Nicola Telsa' movie. The one that starts out with the shots of Niagra falls and the the statue of Magnetic Nic, himself. There is a tour through the museum in Belgrade and what is shown are the 3 steps to create a rotating magnetic field, which the movie never goes into. But the device is deceptively simple to make a magnetic vortex. This is one of those things that if you don't have it to play with you can't see the benefits. Besides, Tesla had big iron and copper to play with. A Tesla link: http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesla.html
Anyway, on to further on...
I'd be willing to bet that if 3 rings were on and phased correctly to create a rotating tercerary field. My assumuption(if I am allowed) is that there is a field displacement. Yeah I know, unproven so why speak about it. If one coil exhibits gyroscopic torsion then why can't that be magnified, spun, twisted, angular focused changes.
What I am implying here is that we all have just glossed over so much of the pertainant information, me included. Guess there is just too much to learn, retain & deal with. The rabbits trails have just been reduced by a phenominal factor.
Many thanks to JDO300 for the last insight on reverseness. Just too cool! Finally.
Saskia asks 'Are you sure you have enough windings?'
"Since the speed of light always equals the wavelength times the frequency we can theoretically squeeze in lots of wavelengths but the rub (of course) is that you must use higher and higher frequencies - eventually your tank capacitor stops being effective and your primary inductor becomes a fraction of a turn in length (not very realistic). Now Saskia�s coil appears to have characteristics that differ somewhat from traditional coils. For example, if we use a single primary and drive a two wave length configuration with four nodes of equal (but intentionally underrated) capacitance, we find that the spark lengths in the rear set are weaker than the front pair (nearest the primary) and that the spark length between front and rear sets are feeble. This trail of energy seems to indicate that a Saskia coil likes to recycle some of its bypassed energy without need of a hard reflection (much like a standing wave in a circular water tank). The picture at the bottom of the page shows a variation of the above mentioned where we drive two perpendicular nodes, the trail is less pronounced now but still evident."
:)
God Bless,
Jason O
From:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mssd/jed/experimental.html
"Now Saskia�s coil appears to have characteristics that differ somewhat from traditional coils. For example, if we use a single primary and drive a two wave length configuration with four nodes of equal (but intentionally underrated) capacitance, we find that the spark lengths in the rear set are weaker than the front pair (nearest the primary) and that the spark length between front and rear sets are feeble. This trail of energy seems to indicate that a Saskia� coil likes to recycle some of its bypassed energy without need of a hard reflection (much like a standing wave in a circular water tank). The picture at the bottom of the page shows a variation of the above mentioned where we drive two perpendicular nodes, the trail is less pronounced now but still evident."
TPU is backward Tesla Coil....
Regular T-Coil = Fundamental -> Harmonics
TPU = Harmonics -> Huge Fundamental...!!!!
Enjoy!
~Dan
hi guy's :)
i also like the inwarded tesla coil only it is not segmented for rotation.
here is my new coil.
Hello Everyone,
You are probably all wondering what this is all about. The point here is that the TPU is an inverted Tesla Coil!
Think about this, we put in 60Hz through something like a neon sign transformer and step it up to high voltage. We then adjust a spark cap and tank circuit so that the frequency is stepped up to a few 10?s of kHz. This
square wave is then injected into the primary which induces high voltage,
high frequency longitudinal waves into the secondary coil. These frequencies can easily get up into the 100s of MHz if not more for a finely tuned coil. What I am about to propose here is that the Tesla coil is a
resonant harmonic pump.
Normally, people think that the energy that produces sparks and lightning bolts is a fantastic display of resonant rise, but there is soooooo much more going on there! Check out this quote from the Research article about the Zero Point Energy patent paul posted earlier:
QuoteProposing to convert zero point electromagnetic radiation to electrical energy, Dr. Mead grapples with the high frequencies that may extend up to around 1040 Hertz. (To gain a perspective, gigahertz radar is only 1010 Hz or so. Visible light is about 1014 Hertz and gamma rays reach into the 20th power, where the wavelength smaller than an atom)
Guys, the fundamental frequency of the ZPE is:
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Hz!!!!!
Wanna know how to ?officially? say this incredibly huge number???
Ten duodecihertz!
Soooo?.. That?s why they say you can?t tap into it. The frequency is sooo darn high!
But, that?s is, in fact, not the case. We don?t even want to get close to this frequency because we could easily create a black hole from the intense stresses on space.
What does this have to do with a Tesla Coil??
Think frequencies; think harmonics?..
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnarang.com%2Fimages%2Fdiagnostic_equipments%2Ftuningforksetround.jpg&hash=0355bde61c6d521d1a1bf1e11cd064bfbcdac25b)
What happens when you take one tuning fork, strike it, and place it next to other tuning forks that are harmonically tuned to it? They all vibrate as well. They vibrate because
energy is being transferred through the harmonics. If this was not the case, then the smaller forks would not vibrate at all!
So lets bring it back home. Our normal, average Tesla coil, produces lots of frequency harmonics depending on how well it is tuned. When it is at its best, we have the great resonant rise that we are all familiar with, but there is something else happening. If we produce enough harmonics, we can actually transfer energy from the environment! Just like a set of tuned forks all in a row. Only this time, the smallest fork is
always vibrating!
Now, of course, you may be thinking that there is NO WAY we can produce enough harmonics to reach up to 10
40 Hz.
You would be correct in that assumption.
We don?t need to!! Every subatomic partical already does this naturally for us! Hence the name ?Zero Point Energy?
Definition taken from Dictionary.com dictionary:
Quote zero-point energy
?noun Physics.
Energy in a substance at the temperature of absolute zero.
So we know that all atoms have an energy level that we can not go below. We also know that all subatomic particles have a frequency. This fundamental frequency or energy
cannot be dampened. So look at all the subatomic particles as mini ZPE transducers. SO all we need to do is resonate with the particles and let them do the conversion for us. The particles all have a fundamental frequency:
These particles have a defined spin and emit electromagnetic radiation all the time 24 hrs a day. Just read some of the many papers Tom Bearden wrote on the subject for more information on that aspect.
The point here is that the subatomic frequencies are much easier to reach through harmonic resonance than the actual ZPE frequency. Think about the particles as microscopic antennas just like the patent mentions!
Since we have 100?s of trillions of these mini antennas built into every single atom of our copper wire, why not resonate with them?
Nuclear Mass Resonance
Tesla talks about how he mass matched his coils to produce the greatest potentials?. Think about this, think about the above article, and then think about what you could do with a TPU?.
God Bless,
Jason O
new tpu.....
yes... a TRAP
~Dan
hi does anybody know if the bottles also have to be inside the ring? :)
it is a bit difficult and i cannot see if the field rotates.
Turbo
Starting to look like a MAGVID.
Don't screw around and burn a hole in your ceiling...
Dan, Marco, looking good!
Regards,
Dave.
Lol @ Grumpy
True though man be carful . I mean... , well all of you just be careful now.
Powered by Attitude...
Batteries not included nor needed.
--giantkiller.
Turbo,
Bottles will not need to be inside the ring It is only if ss is being used that it is important....thats why "its easier to use tubes...especially to begin with"
neat work!
Way to go Turbo! When my tubes come in I will call on you for help! ;)
Bruce
I ran this link from over yonder in another mans yard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOpFu5JubXY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBsh7RbzNNI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTn2rtULhTI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5OhZ9wT568
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2_wUDBl-g8&NR=1
--giantkiller.
Searl comes to mind when watching those videos. Looking at those metal balls reminded me of those rollers. :o
Quote from: turbo on May 01, 2007, 01:12:18 PM
hi does anybody know if the bottles also have to be inside the ring? :)
it is a bit difficult and i cannot see if the field rotates.
Turbo
clap clap clap.
Nice work, man.
You always do nice work.
hi all
@turbo
is that a harddrive cable in the middle of that tpu
wer
Quote from: gn0stik on April 30, 2007, 05:21:18 PM
sweet. I gots ta find me some of those cheapo function generators.
Bee careful with Elenco SM-9600K function generator!Elenco had reworked the end of the plastic Bredblox Switch Knob, 666506, to allow the Contact Plate, 666505, to fit over the end and maintain axial freedom.
Unfortunately, they removed plastic from the wrong places. The plate fits on the knob and slides up and down now, like they wanted. However, the lions share of the material was removed from the side of the knob that aligns with the main contact point.
This, and the slight offset of the knob hole--within tolerance I am sure--centered between the six capacitor contact pads, had the effect of
rendering three of my six frequency ranges inoperable.I took the liberty, and time, of filling in the removed material with epoxy. Yes, I am talking about only three grains of sand worth of epoxy here. Not easy, but doable and done.
Undoing Elenco's rework, I found that I too was unable to fit the contact plate over the switch knob. But instead of re-removing the material from the spot where Elenco had, I removed even less original material from the two flat sides of the shaft near the end by carefully whittling down the flat sides out to the end of the shaft with a #11 Exact-o blade.
It appeared, to me, that the knob was removed from the mold before cooling completely and the end of the knob had mushroomed out slightly making it impossible to insert it onto the contact plate.
Success! I removed far less material than Elenco by
shaving the flat side near the end of the shaft and the contact point stays on all pads now.
EDIT: Detail added: See the isosceles triangle shaped hole below. The shaft profile should be this shape until the center nub at the end. If yours looks funny, (mine still had rework flashing on it,) then go get some epoxy. Cut 1/4" wide, 1" long or more paper tape. Wrap once around the shaft up to the bottom of the center nub, making a cup for the epoxy. (The uncut shape forms the tape in the right shape over the missing part.) Fill-in the cup with epoxy, use 30 AWG wire to poke out the air bubble at the bottom. Final shape, trim, and clean with a razor and tweezers. (This undoes the bad Elenco rework.) Now, use your brain and shape it correctly with a #11 blade.
Also, if I had to do it over again I would painfully align and
solder the eight Bredblox Clips on the board BEFORE inserting into the case assembly. Use a paper business card to help line them up because it will not absorb much heat during soldering. Doing it the Elenco way melts the clips into the case and you will have a hell of a time taking the thing apart to diagnose and repair it, as I had to. (The switch worked fine until it was aligned in the case and I sealed it all up.)
The clips adhere better to the melted plastic than the solder exactly half the time. When I pried mine apart, to find the Elenco switch issue, four of the eight clips broke free from the solder and the other four slid out of the plastic.
I had to cut away the melted plastic so that I could reassemble my unit. My unit looks ugly now, but it works.
Rosphere ==|--------
Quote from: ******* on May 02, 2007, 09:42:51 AM
I have the same exact unit, and just finished getting it together and ran into the same problem as you did...
I've got to fire it up tonite and test the ranges. When you powered your unit, did you just use the 5+ & gnd? or did you also supply the 5- ?
I went to bed the other night wondering where I was going to go to purchase two five volt batteries. I would hook them in series and take "GND" from the node between them, -5 from the negative side of the pair, and +5 from the positive side.
Then I wondered if I could take the 5V from my PC; maybe use diodes to make it "look like" two batteries and wire them up as above.
Yesterday morning I awoke and searched the web for, "voltage divider."
I found this: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/voldiv.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/voldiv.html)
I used two 10 k-ohm resistors. The "GND" is connected between them, the +5, (+4.5 actually,) is on the +9V node, and the -4.5 is on the -9V node. Simple.
Rosphere ==|--------
"Makin' it work!"
Gah, bummer deal man, that really sux, but for less than 40 bucks you got a working micro function gen, that works, if not pretty. Hell, you weren't trying to pick up chicks with it anyway, right? Nonetheless, it sounds like it was a pain, and stole from a night of TPU'ing.
I'll look out for that. I've seen some other kits, that I've wondered about as well. Every kit I've ever ordered has never been just, build it like they tell you. Always, something comes up. And it's usually something to do with the case.
Adiu,
Rich
Hello Everyone,
I know, my words have no the touch with the subject.
See the movie The Prestige
Yes giantkiller, well saied
Tesla is alive and kicking in the TPU!
Best regards to all
Victor
Quote from: gn0stik on May 02, 2007, 10:34:20 AM
...Hell, you weren't trying to pick up chicks with it anyway, right?.
Right. I am hoping to pick-up kicks. ;)
Nice coil Marco! I found the magnet coil vid. Imagine the longitudinal torsion if the upper magnet was not allowed to rise!
Also, would it be possible to point me in the direction of the big graphic you made showing the device connections of the magnetic transmission demo a few months back? I've searched it and cannot locate it. Thanks.
The similarities of all the best device tests seem to point to 90 degree alignment of 30awg or small awg wire. The IDE cable gives very good small gauge accessablilty and the ends can be tied in parallel to get the current out while working within the thermal properties of the wire. Shades of Tesla. The small gauge also gives a higher amount of flux lines which, when interacting with like number of fields from an adjacent 90 degree set, will produce the maximum amount of interactions. The electon stress, which is what we are striving for, is not overpowered by a huge magnetic alignment. That electron stress, which produces very high frequencies, emits the radiant energy.
The safe clue that was given was 'lamp wire'. Small gauge.
The Tesla 382282 transformer shows the 3 concentric layers starting with the core gauge inside, the next layer out with a very small guage at 90 degree placment, the outer most layer of a larger gauge.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2007, 12:18:20 PM
...I found the magnet coil vid....
That video gives me a delicious off-topic idea. ::) :D
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2007, 12:18:20 PM
...The Tesla 382282 transformer...
Hey, that's that transformer shown in 390721! :o
Quote from: weri812 on May 02, 2007, 08:28:23 AM
hi all
@turbo
is that a harddrive cable in the middle of that tpu
wer
old 1,44 floppy disk cable i believe it has 32 leads.
@Jason here is the pic.
"Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments. Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control."
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2007, 12:18:20 PM
Nice coil Marco! I found the magnet coil vid. Imagine the longitudinal torsion if the upper magnet was not allowed to rise!
Also, would it be possible to point me in the direction of the big graphic you made showing the device connections of the magnetic transmission demo a few months back? I've searched it and cannot locate it. Thanks.
--giantkiller.
hi Giant, i'm not sure which demo you mean, i did many tests..
Turbo
Quote from: giantkiller on May 02, 2007, 12:18:20 PM
The electon stress, which is what we are striving for, is not overpowered by a huge magnetic alignment. That electron stress, which produces very high frequencies, emits the radiant energy.
--giantkiller.
hi, if we look at the "normal" propogation of waves it looks alot like when we throw a rock into the water the waves will spead in a circulair fashion radiating from the source.
if we look at the radiant energy wave it is diffrent because it radiates in many straight lines away from the source this looks more like when we throw some baking powder on the floor.
Turbo.
Like this?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: turbo on May 02, 2007, 01:40:13 PM
"Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments. Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control."
Turbo,an all
The attached picture shows the perpindicular wires.reffered to in text..we may have assumed that they were one wire in most cases.....what if they were each segments? this is suported by the fact that the segments in the picture are perpindicular rather than at an angle as would be the case if it wasa single winding...we know that because we have all wound many and they all have an off set ...unlike the picture. You know, like Otto's test....sorry to keep bringing up Ottos test...that was deemd a failure by well intentioned, tubeless expieminters.
Going a bit further, what if they were tapped into the collector wire at exact points on the curcumference where the circuit potential was found to exist..you may need a light pen to find it..Otto used a light pen.
Have fun
Be nice
and be careful!
Lindsay Mannix
waves and nodes on the collector...
~Dan
A huge amount of 90 degree intersections along the wave pressure axis.
Gk,
Now that's a beautiful picture!
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling!
Lindsay
So, where hast thou found thee?
Quote from: Mannix on May 02, 2007, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: turbo on May 02, 2007, 01:40:13 PM
"Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments. Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control."
Turbo,an all
The attached picture shows the perpindicular wires.reffered to in text..we may have assumed that they were one wire in most cases.....what if they were each segments? this is suported by the fact that the segments in the picture are perpindicular rather than at an angle as would be the case if it wasa single winding...we know that because we have all wound many and they all have an off set ...unlike the picture. You know, like Otto's test....sorry to keep bringing up Ottos test...that was deemd a failure by well intentioned, tubeless expieminters.
Going a bit further, what if they were tapped into the collector wire at exact points on the curcumference where the circuit potential was found to exist..you may need a light pen to find it..Otto used a light pen.
Have fun
Be nice
and be careful!
Lindsay Mannix
hi, many turns of fine wire on many small segments are indeed a good possabillaty.
Quote
Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster. What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things suddenly change?
when the incredibaly fast moving magnetic field shoots by one small segment with many TURNS and one end is connected to the collector, it will induce a high voltage spike on it which will supercharge the collector in the same way the one wire does coming out of an car ignition coil.
Quote
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick . .
THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPENDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
from Carl,
However, what was not iterated
is that the amount of current generated is not only a
matter of the strength of the magnet, but rather the
SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire. Thus when we speak of moving the
magnet across a small piece of wire at the speed of a
gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage
spike in that little piece of wire.
if the collector is charged to 800 volt due to the many high voltage spikes from the bobine like segments it will be charged more positive then the environment it is sitting in and charged to which is about 300 volts.
this creates a potentional diffrence in charges.
there is a possibillaty it will just suck in electrons from the environment, this is what i am trying to do with my new coil.
Turbo.
Quote from: turbo on May 02, 2007, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: weri812 on May 02, 2007, 08:28:23 AM
hi all
@turbo
is that a harddrive cable in the middle of that tpu
wer
old 1,44 floppy disk cable i believe it has 32 leads.
@Jason here is the pic.
"Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments. Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control."
Hi Turbo,
Great observation! I never noticed the ripples in the tape on the TPU like that. It all makes sense though.
The more and more I think about this thing, the more I think Tesla coils and resonant rise. Mr. Mark advised us many time about what would happened if we tune to close to the conversion frequency. It would essentially turn into an ungrounded T-coil...... Most of them have some sort of grounded rod nearby so that when the resonant rise in the secondary produces incredible voltage gains, some of that energy can be 'drained' off by the grounding rod.
We don't have a grounding rod in the TPU, only the collector....
So if the collector cannot dissipate the potential fast enough, we get a blow out.... lightning would be the least of our problems in that case... It all makes sense now.
Just like the T-coil, we want to tune our coils to specific frequencies, particularly harmonic frequencies because they have this nice tendency to multiply at resonance.
Another point, Voltage = speed. Well, guess what we do with the input from the wall before it goes into the primary of a T-coil, it is usually stepped up through something like a neon sine transformer and dumped into a cap.... Once the cap fills, the charge is dumped through a spark gap and into the primary..... There's your control circuit. It's hight voltage, low current discharges.......
Thats why the tubes work better! They are high voltage low current devices, unlike their SS counterparts which are low voltage high current devices!
One more point... If a T-coil secondary has a secondary coil which is tuned to a fundamental frequency of X Hertz, then it follows that this coil can also resonate a 2X Hz and 3X Hz and up... So if we create a situation where harmonics are produced and feed them back in, we get an immense voltage and frequency gain... Frequency = Energy = Power. Voltage = Speed + potential to do work.
Just look at Planck's equation if you don't believe me...
E = hf = mc^2
So more frequency = more power. So if we have a mass of something (like the copper in the coils), and we make this mass resonate faster and faster, we have an energy gain.... But this energy is useless unless we create a potential drop to move it somewhere. So the High voltage provides the energy 'pump' to get the energy from the atoms in the copper to useful Electrical power.
It's a good thing Mr. Mark decided to take all that free potential gain and dump it into his collector coil rather than a ground rod, don't you think?
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: turbo on May 03, 2007, 01:59:19 AM
when the incredibaly fast moving magnetic field shoots by one small segment with many TURNS and one end is connected to the collector, it will induce a high voltage spike on it which will supercharge the collector in the same way the one wire does coming out of an car ignition coil.
Hi Turbo,
Excellent point! Quick question though, for the segment(s) that have one end connected to the collector, where would the other end be connected?
Quote from: turbo on May 03, 2007, 01:59:19 AM
if the collector is charged to 800 volt due to the many high voltage spikes from the bobine like segments it will be charged more positive then the environment it is sitting in and charged to which is about 300 volts.
this creates a potentional diffrence in charges.
there is a possibillaty it will just suck in electrons from the environment, this is what i am trying to do with my new coil.
Turbo.
This is far beyond a possibility, it is a fact. That is why T-coils produced all the lightning. Such a huge stress on the environment to the point that electrons come streaming into it from all over the place....
God Bless,
Jason O
@Mannix
corect me if i am wrong
that brings all of us back to the basic
we have a closed collecter coil made of soft insolated mild steel or copper
we have 3-4-or 6 fine wire controler coils wraped around the collecter
then we have equel number of outer colecter coils of larger wire wraped around the controler coils for current to run our lights or other devices
this is what i see from sm and tesla discription 8)
wer
hello all
what if all control winding were all 1 wire and you plused from the top and the bottom i just about finished my coil i will be posting pictures tonight and how i wired it
when i checked my out put last it was only with 2 rings i was getting 26 volts ac and over 3 amps from 12v dc 1 amp input
no electronics just input to output
is
Quote from: weri812 on May 03, 2007, 08:13:01 AM
@Mannix
corect me if i am wrong
that brings all of us back to the basic
we have a closed collecter coil made of soft insolated mild steel or copper
we have 3-4-or 6 fine wire controler coils wraped around the collecter
then we have equel number of outer colecter coils of larger wire wraped around the controler coils for current to run our lights or other devices
this is what i see from sm and tesla discription 8)
wer
I would not say that you are wrong but I do not see the latter coils in my picture..If you have a vision..wind it and see if it is of assistance that is the only way to be more sure.
I see it as a mini particle accellerator
So the collector creates a magfield sphere surrounded by the perpendicular magfield sphere at different frequencies.
Major flux creation, spinning, and collisions.
When the 2 large fields are in place and perpendicular at the same time there will be flux connections occuring. The 2 fields will create a really warped looking sphere. That kind of dynamic magnetic pressure has value. And because there are different frequencies involved the angle of the 2 fields coalescing is also dynamic which creates a virtual magnetic pressure plane moving across all the copper. No wonder the TPU thumps around!
Current, voltage, magnetic field, thermal gradients (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient), vibration are all byproducts.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/toroid.html
Where does the TPU really want to go?
http://lennon.astro.northwestern.edu/Publications/NovakGC02.pdf
I will supply another graphic showing this later on in the day.
--giantkiller. Step up to the bar, boys!
Quote from: Mannix on May 03, 2007, 12:33:36 AM
Gk,
Now that's a beautiful picture!
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling!
Lindsay
Yup. And you forgot cranial pain too! ;)
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 03, 2007, 02:35:51 AM
Hi Turbo,
Excellent point! Quick question though, for the segment(s) that have one end connected to the collector, where would the other end be connected?
God Bless,
Jason O
good question ;D i am trying to find out :)
Quote from: turbo on May 03, 2007, 12:52:50 PM
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 03, 2007, 02:35:51 AM
Hi Turbo,
Excellent point! Quick question though, for the segment(s) that have one end connected to the collector, where would the other end be connected?
God Bless,
Jason O
good question ;D i am trying to find out :)
Does it need to be connected? :-\
RLC Series Circuit (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/rlcser.html#c2) ;)
Sorry about the blurry.
This is the latest stab:
When L1 is done it connects to L2 and then L3.
As the L1 is pulsed and the round trip pulse fires L2 and the round trip pulse fires L3 the backside angular runs work to excite the Helmholtzs because of the required angle.
--giantkiller.
Quick-n-Dirty winder concept.
A friend of mine asked me if I could open-source my ME skills to help him develop a home-made coil winder to make several prototype coils for testing.
The above sketch was made by me last night.
I have in my head several slight clarifications and tweaks to several areas to improve performance without adding much more complexity. I may work on a CAD design today,... or tonight. (I have been avoiding cleaning out the garage. The weather has broken. It is time.)
My friend asked me how the toroid is held in place. I said, "with your hand." As long as the motor spins that spool through and around that toroid profile, I will advance the toroid. We may add a rolling cradle for the toroid as well.
The clarifications and tweaks I have in mind are:
1. The three roller areas: One foreseen problem resolved with less complex design, I like it. The centrifugal force from the heavy spool will torque the opposite side of the, most likely lighter, ring frame upwardly, out of the roller area. I thought about adding a third roller to each station to restrain the top lip of the guide ring. Then I decided to use only one vertical roller at each of the three roller stations, shaped like a bobbin to straddle the guide ring edge all the way around the outer edge perimeter; (top-lip, edge face, bottom lip.)
2. Now that the guide ring will no longer pop out of the three bearing areas, let us mitigate those centrifugal forces from the heavy spool. I was thinking about inclining the top of the spool axis toward the vertical axis of the guide ring. The spool would be inclined on its journey around the ring profile much like a race car on an inclined oval race track at the turns.
3. As mentioned previously, a soothe cradle for the toroid would be easier on the arms.
4. Must have a BIG on/off motor switch near your hand, if not a foot pedal switch. (See 5 below.)
5. And a forward/reverse switch. Trust me, you are advancing the toroid by hand. You are not perfect. On second thought, this is not like the winder I made previously. You may be better off backing it up slowly, (if/when needed,) by hand to avoid fouling the wire in the device. Use the switch, (from 4 above,) to stop the motor, undo your little boo-boo, and then be more careful next time. (Or, see 11 below.)
6. Screw a small rubber washer into the guide base plate near the lower lip of the spool to adjust tension in the wire. As the spool lightens you may want to put a couple turns on the tension screw. (The initial weight will add tension through friction with the lower face of the spool on the base plate which will lessen as you wind and the spool becomes lighter.)
7. An old fishing pole end fixed to the same spool base plate as the tensioner above will help guide the wire coming off the spool to one height.
8. Keep in mind that the three rollers will not only will guide the spool guide ring in a circle, they will also hold the total weight of the spool/guide ring/spool base plate/tensioner/line guide assembly. Do not go too cheap on the materials. The spools I have in mind weigh a half pound. I would not make the rollers out of foam, for example. And one of them is a driving roller...
9. The driving roller should be mounted on a motor gearbox assembly that pivots on the far end with a spring to force the guide ring into the two opposing idle-rollers placed 120 degrees apart on the opposing side, (as shown above.) This spring will also be necessary to install and remove the guide ring assembly. Pull back on the spring to remove/add the guide ring.
10. Make your guide ring out of a semi rigid material like wood or plastic and you only need one split to insert and remove the toroid. Remove your fastener, twist the guide ring, slip on/of the toroid, and reinstall your fastener.
11. If you are going to make many more units, make a driving cradle powered from the same motor, but geared down to somewhere around the 360 fold area, if you know what I mean. Two horizontal driving rollers spaced 120 degrees apart on the bottom should do it with vertical plates, "effectively preventing side-fumbling." (http://www.hrmdirect.com/hrm2/blog/index.php?entry=entry061214-192613)
:D
12. Now, if someone here knows how to hack into printer control software, we could use an old printer's motors and existing wiring. The carriage motor can be used for the spool guide ring drive, and the paper advance motor can be used for the toroid advancement, one "line" at a time, at the right time.
Dude! You b a genius. I like the wire spool on the bobbin wheel design. I guess it is only for when the collector ring is larger than the wire spool. Otherwise one would have to transfer the main supply to a smaller bobbin.
The design still looks like it could be a handheld application. Ronco TPU winder?
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 04, 2007, 11:02:12 AM
Dude! You b a genius.
Thank you.
I wish that someone would hire me and pay me well.
I'd pay for a wound-to-spec Rodin coil. =)
Quote from: shuzammy on May 04, 2007, 11:36:45 AM
I'd pay for a wound-to-spec Rodin coil. =)
PM me the particulars.
One, or several, wound by hand will be faster than making a machine to do it, no matter how simple the machine. The larger the order the more the need for automation. How many do you want?
[Tweaks 6 through 12 added above. Others further clarified.]
(I appear to be avoiding my garage cleaning assignment.) :( ;)
Enough of post-working TPU mechanical coil winders. ::) Let us get one working first. 8)
I finally have both channels of my scope working. Now I can ask questions like:
Does it look like my function generator, top, is making the right signals through my MOSFET, bottom?
(Both are working off the same 9V. No coils attached,... yet.) ;)
(Oh, attaching a battery to that top receiver flat lines everything. Silly me.) :D
Spherical Harmonics? (http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/surfaces_curves/sphericalh/)
hello all
i have returned after a long power outage
just wondering if many of you studied the picture in this link
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.970.html
also if you have studied this picture what might the scribles in the top right conner of this pic be?
i know what they are and this picture is where i got my tpu from
i will be adding a few more pictures of my tpu wired up as the pic says
also i will draw a simple picture on how it is wired and post today
check out the link it will be worth your time
also the schem has been here for a loong time humm... why not look hard at some avitars
i think you will see somthing also i will be talking about what i have found since i started this project not so long ago
with the info on this site how many rings do you all think have been built and are working as we speek?
i know of none personaly but im sure that there many many working right now i can say that if i had more electronics experience i would already have many rings up and running and i would be designing new styles of rings but i dont have the experience so i have to take it 1 step at a time
if you notice there is almumnim plate on the bottom well heat sinks in side on the bottom ring or fets and floating magfeids triping the fets
about the 3 collectors inside the control windings this is what i think
bottom ring input and control wire are hooked togather output of bottom ring goes to input of second ring and also to the control wires on second ring but where the wires connect for the 2 mag feilds and then the same on the top collector then i think this is where the fets come in top and bottom and they turn off and on the coils and i think that when the fets are off you get your hi voltage kicks and then the fet sends the hi voltage kicks through the output windings i think that both fets do this when they are not sending freqs through the wire and that is how you tap your kicks and feed ing a small voltage in to start the turbine and it grows every time it cycles through the rings and the reason it does not work when you turn it upside down is because youe bottom ring must be negitive and as it rotates with the earths magnetic feild the earths magfeild makes the 4 ring because the top 2 rings are positive and the bottom is negitive and the 4 is the earth
but agin i am guessing this is not proven altho im getting a fair bit of current out of my ring with just constant power in hooked up only my control wires and 1 collector
is
Check this out!
http://tesladownunder.com/tesla_coil_sparks.htm#Tesla%20Car%20Theft%20Protection (video)
--giantkiller.
http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/AC/AC_14.html#xtocid89307
http://www.answers.com/topic/distributed-amplifier-1
http://www.masstechportal.org/IP1844.aspx
Sourse of good info on some of the things I THINK the tpu is doing.
~Dan
hello all
has anyone tryed to put a super cap above where the magfeilds colide? i think that it might charge the cap and if the fet was put in another magfeild collision point when the feild colapises it will trip the switch the fets will use the floating feild and the caps will capture the engery and then frie back into the system it could all be started with a small amount of electricty posibaly a permant magnet to charge the caps for the first time or a swipe or 2 or 3 from a magnet to induce a voltage in the system the wind up or turbine effect or ramp up time is when the coil is building up its power
just thought i might share those thoughts with everyone
about my wireing just look at the link i posted earlyer it is on that page i tryed to draw it but im lously at it i still have not finished my tpu i was wireing thats why i have not posted any pics yet
i am building a new 1 soon agin this time i will use thinner mag wire and fater collector wire still 3 rings but only 1 outer collector winding i will use 4 ga car audio power wire for my collectors and some realy fine gage magwire 30 or so gage for my controls
i thought i might add just a few more thoughts
this is what i see happining in the tpu and only a basic description
well we know we need to rotationg mag feilds in 2 dirrections 1 + and - or 1 2 1 2
and then they will cancel the flux of each other
we also need a generator or a particial accelerator that we keep dumping back into its self also caps and fets then we also need the right freqs to make the control coils ring and when they ring they produce a lot of kicks and those kicks are output i think that the inner collector is only to power the controls after you start it and the outter winding is out put for load when you smak the magfeilds togather it makes a a few diffrent things happen all at once
when we look at this picture might this be how it works ? carry the pattern all the way around the ring oc stands for output collector and if you had 3 rings stacked and hooked up the way it says in the pic i posted the link to all the control wires 1 and 2 would only have 2 wires comming from it top and bottom and if you plused 1 freq in the top and 1 in the bottom to make a beat freq and if they harmonized with the freq heeded to make the coils resonate there would quite a magnetic disturbance inside the ring but we are cancling the magfeilds also there are many many kicks going it to the inside collector and many going to the outside collector the inside collector starts powering powering the control wires adding more input power to the magfeilds each time it makes a revelution through the coil does this seam right to anyone??
is
Well, I, for one, am a bit frustrated with my lack of any real progress here.
Winter is gone. I am spending far too much time in the house and I need to get outside in the fresh air. I may be back in the late fall when the sun goes away again. :-\
Later taters, ;)
Rosphere ==|--------
Interesting efeccts - I was looking into the SM large Tpu and set up a SS box and wound some small coils i posted one a while back . on the big rind i just took 2 steel wire in a ring fasion and wraped a small copper wire at 45 degrees - then i had some leaf pladium taped to the wires ( this is a very thinn metal -lite as a feather) when i turned on the SSbox with the 2 small toriods it was like a solor wind on the ring mmmm now thats cool - what properties are at work here. I didt this to see if the 2 small toriods developing oppisit spinns would vortex mmmm simply not , but what i did surmize was that the spinn of electrons were crashing into each outher and splitting off.ok heres the cool part - if it is and electron then the pladium would flow to the outside of the ring and if it was a protron it would flow to the inside of the ring and turn up. At diffrent frequenzes they would shake like leafs on a tree and some would do a dance then in flow in a graphic sequence. dam is this some fun stuff . just thought I'd share this with you ...Mike small things keep me amused
:)
here is my coil all the controls wired up as the drawing i spoke of earlyer i still have to hook up the collector coils and the out put coils but i think i made a mistake when i wound my controls the 2 per ring should be wound 1 way and 2 wound the opsite way i wound all controls the same way also 1 sopt on each ring will be a point where i inject the out put of the collector below it into the controls on the colector above it if that makes sence to you
i will apempt that wire job next
for some reason i cant upload my small pic file it is only a few hundred kb will try agin tommorow
finaly got it had to change my ip addy
today i will be wireing up the collectors to feed back in to controls for the power gain
a few more thoughts i might share
why the ramp up time?
this might be why what if the generators or our control coils only inject a small amount of power back into the the collector in 1 revelution of the coil we know how fast electricty can travel so why does it take time to build up to out put this is what im starting to think each time a coil fires at the start say it injects .25 volts each time then it would take some time to get up to freq i think at the start of the operation it might go like this cannons fire and fire until voltage grows in the coil to the point it is tuned to when it reaches that point the freqs will kick in and it will start to resonate or vibrate we know that when the coil is alive because you can feel it that might be why he checks it with his hands b4 he puts a load on it when the coil resonates it produces all of the kicks that become output but until then there is no good out put and it will only produce the kicks when the coils freqs are right the make up of the beat freqs is decided by the the freq that the control coils resonate at so when those 2 freqs harmonize the kicks will begin
agin thease are just thoughts nothing i said has been tested or confirmed by me but soon enough i will have my scope and all the things i need to properly build rings
i have many other therioes on how this could work but for now im working on trying this way
is
hi is
i tryed to post 4 pictures from otto
and it would not take them
wer
Hi Wer,
If you e-mail me the pictures, I'll be glad to post them for you.
God Bless,
Jason O
from german thread
wer
here is the control circuit i designed for my last coil :)
it's a simple 3 channel drive much like a jk ringrunner.
my question is why 3 freqs?
2 and the third is made on its own? am i wrong?
sorry i think i miss understud you
you have 3 channels and you are running 2 freqs into each channel and are the freqs in diffrent dirrections? and might the channel switch when the freq are plused?
hers my latest picture of my coil the last wind is half finished still more wireing and it probaly will not work but this is 1 way i understud how it could be built
Quote from: innovation_station on May 06, 2007, 01:06:31 PM
my question is why 3 freqs?
2 and the third is made on its own? am i wrong?
sorry i think i miss understud you
you have 3 channels and you are running 2 freqs into each channel
is
read some more men, what did Steven say about the frequency's?
"Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other. But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils. There needs to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third. When you eventually strike the cord look out. You will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord. Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference. There is no such thing as a small lightning strike."
hi turbo
now that you have your unit (looks good!!!)
did you use 8" pvc pipe
and sm said that the diamature divided by the circumfrence = the center frequince
is that true?
wer
^^ where did SM say that? .. in the vids? thats interesting.
devilzangel
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Quote from: weri812 on May 06, 2007, 03:30:10 PM
hi turbo
now that you have your unit (looks good!!!)
did you use 8" pvc pipe
and sm said that the diamature divided by the circumfrence = the center frequince
is that true?
wer
Hi Wer,
That calculation won't do you any good. The diameter divided by the circumference is simply 1/ Pi. It's always the same number because C = Pi * Diameter.
Remember that the collector is like an antenna of sorts so one circumference will give you the fundamental wavelength that the antenna will tune into (or something like that). So look at the wire length that you would have to wrap around a TPU of X circumference and that should help you there.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: turbo on May 06, 2007, 01:03:18 PM
here is the control circuit i designed for my last coil :)
it's a simple 3 channel drive much like a jk ringrunner.
Hey Turbo,
Looks great! Could you show us how that is wired? Is it a harmonic pulser? If so I have a similar one that I am currently working on. Will post schematics and pics as soon as I am finished with it :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: turbo on May 06, 2007, 01:24:33 PM
read some more men, what did Steven say about the frequency's?
"Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other. But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils. There needs to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third. When you eventually strike the cord look out. You will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord. Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference. There is no such thing as a small lightning strike."
Many interpretations of the above...
A. Three seperate collector coils stacked on top of each other, with three control coils wound perpendicularly to the collectors?
B. Three collector coils, with each connected to one of 3 control coils?
C. Three turns, or so, on the collector coil, stacked on top of each other, with three control coils would perpendicularly.
D. Three
CONTROL coils, wound all the way around, stacked on top of each other, perpendicular to the collector coil (one coiled wire)?
E. Three collector coils with three control coils, each of which is wound all the way around the collector coils (all three collector coils are wrapped), but the control coils are separate (no inter wound)?
F. Three collector coils with three control coils, each control coil goes all the way around the circumference of the TPU and are inter wound (123123123123.....)?
G. and the list goes on....
Also the above says to start the frequencies one, then two (second harmonic), then three. Remember the video where he uses his hand to indicate (over the large TPU) a counter clockwise circle, then clock wise back, then another CCW circle, then CW back to start, then another CCW circle and then starts circling round and round in CCW circling motion? As if he is saying to send one, then send two, then send three which starts the rotation.
Kent
The hand motion can be seen at approximately 20 minutes into this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=steve+marks&hl=en
Kent
to all
ok here is the pdf i read it in
Here SM is saying something VERY IMPORTANT, that you
make several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE
COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE and that the
DIAMETER/CIRCUMFERANCE determines the 'center
frequency'/'ideal frequency' of his different devices, if Steven's
collector coils are indeed loop antennas then this makes perfect
sense, different circumferances, different 'center/idea
frequencieswer
thanks
wer
hello all
i think i finaly got a much better handle on it and it is not at all my ring i put it aside now time for a new 1 this time the right 1 i hope!! but learning is what is all about!!
is
well yes, i was aware of the paragraph .. but not him saying Dia/Circum.=ideal Freq. .. I merely read the parts in italics .. the bold seems like "guessing" or summarizing.
Quote from: Steven Mark (supposedly)The important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
from that, SM doesn't really clarify what that relation is. By directly he could have meant many things.
if there are 3 freq .. how are they each related to each other? .. by "relation" i was under the impression he was talking about harmonics. maybe related to the ratio of pi.
C/d = Pi
in radians, a circle is (2pi)=6.283185 rad .. where angular freq is 6.283 rad/s ????
could it be 2(Pi)f=v/r
f is the frequency (measured in hertz),
v is the tangential velocity of a point about the axis of rotation (measured in metres per second),
r is the radius of rotation (measured in metres).
source - wiki
heck he could merely have been stating the obvious by referring to rotation of field per second.
@Jdo300 .. shouldnt the length of wire be related to the surface area???
devilzangel
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Hey Wer,
Great synopsis on the frequencies! Sometimes it is the simplest explanations that we seem to overlook the most.
If I may reiterate a few points in support of what Wer is talking about. We know that the TPU is 'kinda sorta' like a transmitter and receiver all in one. We also know that it has qualities like a Tesla coil because of the disruptive discharges that take place in the coils.
Let me ask you all something, have you ever tried to drive a simple coil at its resonant frequency using a sine wave and then compare the same output when driven with a square wave? There is a difference. The output with the square wave can have an amplitude almost 50% larger than the same with the sine wave input. So there is definitely something going on with the abrupt pulses.
Perhaps the Earth electromagnetic field interaction is as simple as a tuned transmitter and receiver with the transmitter using square waves to amplify the power to the receiver.
Just more food for thought :).
God Bless,
Jason Owens
Hi devilzangel,
I believe that the area enclosed by the loop antenna only matters if it is operated to couple with the magnetic component of the input frequency. When operated in the electric mode, only the total length of wire that makes up the loop matters.
However, since we know that Mr. Mark puts DC on the collector, I believe it is safe to assume that the area the collector encloses is important.
Check out this site about magnetic loop antennas:
http://home.datacomm.ch/hb9abx/loop1-e.htm
According to this site, the diameter should be some fraction of the wavelength to receive:
QuoteThe diameter of the loop is in the range of 1/10 to 1/100 of the wavelength.
The antenna works primarily with the magnetic component of the EM field, which extends to the both EM components on larger distance. For that reason the antenna operates well close to ground and radiates a much stronger signal than a dipole when both are close to ground.
Also interesting to note is the fact that loop antennas a very directional, which might explain why the TPU stops working when it is flipped over.
God Bless,
Jason O
Ohh! Found some better info that explains the relation Mr. Mark was talking about. Check out the following quote from this other website I found here: http://www.qsl.net/mnqrp/Loop/Mag_Loops.htm (http://www.qsl.net/mnqrp/Loop/Mag_Loops.htm).
QuoteThe theory for calculating the loop is very simple.The circumference of a magnetic loop is 1/4 wave of the design frequency.
Example for 14 MHz.
300 / 14 MHz = 21.428 m is 1 wave
21.428 / 4 = 5.357 m is 1/4 wave circumference
5.357 / 3.14 = 1.706 m diameter.
So for a 6 inch TPU:
Circumference = 18.85 in (0.478 m).
1/4 wavelength frequency = 156.645MHz
This is assuming a single turn collector and not taking into account capacitance/inductance and all that jazz...
Here is another website that talks about making VLF loop antennas, which is what we wanna go for (VLF is < 1MHz):
http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=10850
The trick is fitting it into a 6" or 15" TPU :).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jdo300 .. have u tested the 1/4wave=Circum. theory on a TPU to see any significant results?
devilzangel
..
In reference to the possibility of the CONTROL coils being stacked one on top of the other, remember this Mannix/SM quote:
<quote>
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils. <unquote>
Kent
To me, this picture looks like two different CONTROL coil wire sizes, maybe one on top of the other.
Kent
hi guy's the first control circuit i build was a simple 3 channel sequencer to see if i could get the field to rotate.
it simply pulses coils one after the other.
it's no good because it did not work well but i think the coil construction is wrong so i will keep the circuit to test with other coils.
Turbo.
This brought forward:
Thanks LancaIV.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21125.html#msg21125
IN. RI veritas est,
(Ma-)Rio Pasichinsky,US 4904926
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4904926.pdf
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p.s.: the next step US 5568005, Dan Davidson
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5568005.pdf
What I see here is the SM15 - SM17 central control unit. Then the outer rings are a bigger version of this. Don't worry... We got feedback.
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This brought over from elsewhere...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.msg30771.html#msg30771Quote from: otto on May 04, 2007, 09:51:34 AM
Hello all,
Ok, now its really enough!!!
1. Tesla patent 390721
2. Mobius strip or band
With this informations you have my biggest help since Im posting here.
Otto
I followed Otto's jumpering for the GK4 coil. This configuration is harmful!
Here is validation of an experiment to produce power in the Hi-RF and Microwave ranges:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431
The previously mentioned frequencies are below Radiant Energy transmissions.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21120.html#msg21120
The fast rise and fall time in the pulse send a very wide range of harmonics through the copper faster that it can produce a magnetic wave. Hence the discharge.
Otto said no iron and Starcruiser said caps instead of resistors. I have not tried either as of yet.
Since January 3rd I have tried other more dangerous things, i.e. stunguns. I need to cool my adventurous jets a tad.
--giantkiller. It do work!
Quote from: mkt3920 on May 07, 2007, 12:20:37 PM
To me, this picture looks like two different CONTROL coil wire sizes, maybe one on top of the other.
Kent
Kent hi,
I've been looking at that for ages already. You know what the funny thing is about them pictures? You see the two wires coming up where the arrow is drawn but there are NO wires coming from the other side of that coil. I've got may more of those pictures from that video and nowhere they are to be seen on the other side of the coil. This leads me to believe it is a bifilar coil. So the wires are connected together on the other side of the coil....
Robert
TO ALL
THIS IS THE CORRECT IMAGE OF OTTOS TPU
WAITING FOR TRANSLATION ON OTHER DETAILS.
THANKS
WER
Now pump in square waves! The instantaneous harmonics in the leading edge and the trailing edge are in the googlehertz as the wave starts up, finishes and declines. Your copper can't handle that!
Quote
When the nonsinusoidal waveform in question is symmetrical above and below its average centerline, the harmonic frequencies will be odd integer multiples of the fundamental source frequency only, with no even integer multiples. (Figure below) Most nonlinear loads produce current waveforms like this, and so even-numbered harmonics (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th, 12th, etc.) are absent or only minimally present in most AC power systems.
--giantkiller. Kickin' ass, yet?
January 7, 2007 till May 7, 2007
50k hits and counting.
Thank you, gentlemen.
This has been the greatest adventure of a life time!
Saddle up your horses
Started out this morning in the usual way
Chasing thoughts inside my head of all I had to do today
Another time around the circle try to make it better than the last
I opened up the Bible and I read about me
Said I'd been a prisoner and God's grace had set me free
And somewhere between the pages it hit me like a lightning bolt
I saw a big frontier in front of me and I heard somebody say "let's go"!
CHORUS
Saddle up your horses we've got a trail to blaze
Through the wild blue yonder of God's amazing grace
Let's follow our leader into the glorious unknown
This is a life like no other - this is The Great Adventure
Come on get ready for the ride of your life
Gonna leave long faced religion in a cloud of dust behind
And discover all the new horizons just waiting to be explored
This is what we were created for
(Chorus)
BRIDGE
We'll travel over, over mountains so high
We'll go through valleys below
Still through it all we'll find that
This is the greatest journey that the human heart will ever see
The love of God will take us far beyond our wildest dreams
Yeah... oh saddle up your horses... come on get ready to ride
(Chorus)
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The long awaited rains
Have fallen hard upon the thirsty ground
And carved their way to where
The wild and rushing river can be found
And like the rains
I have been carried here to where the river flows, yeah
My heart is racing and my knees are weak
As I walk to the edge
I know there is no turning back
Once my feet have left the ledge
And in the rush I hear a voice
That's telling me it's time to take the leap of faith, So here I go
I'm diving in, I'm going deep in over my head, I want to be
Caught in the rush, lost in the flow, in over my head, I want to go
The river's deep, the river's wide, the river's water is alive
So sink or swim, I'm diving in
There is a supernatural power
In this mighty river's flow
It can bring the dead to life
And it can fill an empty soul
And give a heart the only thing
Worth living and worth dying for, yeah
But we will never know the awesome power Of the grace of God
Until we let ourselves get swept away into this holy flood
So if you'll take my hand
We'll close our eyes and count to three
And take the leap of faith
Come on let's go
--giantkiller. Definately today...
some people think the collector consists of a one turn wire...
if this is so, how can we call that a coil?
3 coils on top of each other would become 3 one turn wires....
this does not make sense to me.
i am currently testing my latest coil and it rotates better by pulsing the horizontal collector coils then it does by pulsing the control coils...
strange tpu world.
Turbo.
also he said:
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months.
I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one.
It took me many many many
tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work?
I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc.
so definatly not one turn...
hi turbo
been waiting on more info on your tpu
in the begining it was 22 turns of garden wire steel, later it become copper. so you are right it is more than one turn.
thanks
wer
EXCELLENT Well Stated Points Turbo.
Thanks.
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the way i see it is
it could be many turns of a single copper wire or it could be many strands of a single turn if that makes sence i was going to use #4 ga car audio power wire with 1 turn of 700 strands for my new coil but i have been confused so many times along the way that im just not to sure anymore i still think the key to the collectors is equal mass all 3 must weigh the same and i think the controls must mass to mass aswell but by a harmonic
is
yes is
it does make sence in sm doc
he talkes about the 1000 pc 1 foot long insilated wire with both ends shorted out or 1 wire 1000 foot long will do .
also the 1000 foot hi voltage ware 1 foot hi amps
thanks
wer
Quote from: turbo on May 08, 2007, 01:46:26 PM
also he said:
When I accidentally stumbled on a device
[/b] that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months.
I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one.
It took me many many many
tries just to duplicate
the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work?
I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. [/i]
so definatly not one turn...
He says he stumbled on it, Hmmm.. Thats why he says over and over in the vids he has no explanation for this or for that.. He didnt envent the damn thing? If thats the case where exactly did he sutmble upon it?
like,, So I was looking through this box of what i thought was junk and i Stumbled ON this devise.
Or. I was out with the guys and woke up with this devise under the seat of my car, Just setting there, I have no idea where it came from?. Wtf does that mean exactly?
???
M ???
this means he discoverd the reaction...
then he build the first working device and my guess is it putted out more power then he expected.
then he improved the design over and over.
so i don't thing the thing was in a box and i don't think he found it somewhere.
Turbo.
I think he was more likely messing with things that audio engineers of his particular generation who were interested in recreating PURE perfect sound messed with when he found the effect. Kind of like how cavemen stumbled upon fire long before they knew how to make it. They'd seen fire before, obviously, after storms etc. But one day, a guy TOUCHED some fire and a few neurons fired, and he thought of how damn sick he was of being cold all the friggin time.
So question is, what was he messing with? What are the possibilities here? Well He's told us. First, TUBES.
QuoteI found the secret when I read in some books about electron tubes. I was a TV repair man as well. Back in the days of electron tubes. The good old days I think.
In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it, or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
Second toroidal transformers.
Quote
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another. Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
Quote
I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers. The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.
QuoteYES, toroidal transformers have some very weird factors.. Study the strange factors.
So Tubes, and transformers out of phase, somewhere between tubes and SS were mag amps, and they might be of interest as well. The point is, that SM was an audio engineer, thinking audio engineer thoughts when the lightbulb turned on. Perhaps literally.
Regards,
Rich
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with".
he was also creating spatial audio effects using white noise, which is in my opinion the worst case scenario of frequency's.
then i was reading about lightning somewhere,
How do you tell if there's a thunderstorm nearby? Just turn on the AM radio to any station, and you should be able to hear blips, coming from flashes of far off lightning. AM radio works better than FM radio as a lightning observatory, as it is more susceptible to noise than FM.
For a regular pulse train, the magnitude of our side frequencies will go up and down, decreasing slightly each time until they reach zero. Lightning, however, is a special case. The side frequencies will be 0 hz apart, and equal to the fundamental in magnitude! What does this mean? Lightning is an AC signal of 0 hertz, with side frequencies stretching off into infinity, all with the same magnitude as the original signal, i.e. White Noise, omnipresent on all frequencies at the same time.
Lightning can be described as a pulse train, much like a square wave, with a frequency of zero, and a duty cycle of zero.
"The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire".
hmm STOPPED, STOPPED, STOPPED, STOPPED....?
go!!!!!!!! TUBRO
very well said
you would think that every one would try to build a small working modle first.
then move on to a big one. has any one have a small working modle???
if they do they need to pm other on how to get one to work so the rest can
be on track. togather we stand divided we fall !!!!!!!
wer
i think there was a quote some where on this thred that said
get it hot with alot of noise! also i have been looking at my last atempt at the tpu and i think it is verry close to what we all want!
is
Quote from: turbo on May 09, 2007, 01:28:03 AM
Lightning can be described as a pulse train, much like a square wave, with a frequency of zero, and a duty cycle of zero.
"The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire".
hmm STOPPED, STOPPED, STOPPED, STOPPED....?
What SM is talking about when he speaks of "a pulse train, much like a square wave, with a frequency of zero, and a duty cycle of zero" is known as a "Dirac Delta Function" and the spike is at the extreme far left of the scale - not the middle. Supposedly this Delta Function has infinite amplitude and zero duration - hence "inifinte energy". Absolutely stomping mondo signal dudes - for you RF techie types.
Couple this to the fact that torsion leads voltage and voltage leads current - send a delta function down a wire that is long enough for it the signal to be stopped before it reaches the end - and the copper atoms can't respond fast enough - the energy will seak to balance by coming out of the wire as a torsion field - perpendicular to the wire - and this field's strength is linear to the distance and can not be cancelled or shielded. So, Radiant Energy is a Torsion Field, it is scalar - one dimension - like pressure or temperature.
So, important variables are the length of the wire and the rate of change of the signal. Take any pulse and double differentiate it - very tight spike - only take a couple of caps and resistors.
Look at the images of SM's ring, see caps?, see the double chokes?
I venture a guess that SM discovered that too many pulses = too much collected juice = smoke and flames. Also, as Tesla showed, you can capture RE from the universe - tap an Earth grid and see what you get - very strong torsion fields there - crater your house in a millisecond.
"Pulling electrons out of the air" sounds like a device that just collects - like Markovich. "Creating kicks" and "getting more back" sounds more like inducing and collecting - like Tesla. Either will work - pick one.
"spark gap" - more than just a radiator of high frequencies and such - but not near as much credit should go to this gap as it recieves. It is just a means to an end and not the inducer of effects.
What happens to the voltage across a spark gap? It take a massive nose dive. This is very important and most do not see the imporatance of this simple fact.
How can the rate that electrons turn to follow the potential be slowed so that the RE can manifest? (voltage leads current in an inductor and all that) By increasing the resistance of the circuit. Stop the flow of current and the electrons attempt to change orientations, but they can't change fast enough. Dave Lowrance explains this very well, by the way.
@ Grumpy...
re:
QuoteWhat SM is talking about when he speaks of "a pulse train, much like a square wave, with a frequency of zero, and a duty cycle of zero" is known as a "Dirac Delta Function" and the spike is at the extreme far left of the scale - not the middle.
Here is the perfect video to describe your post...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
$#!+
Can't do video Google due to corporate blockade.
Can you post as AVI or something?
One more thing:
To stop a pulse before the end of a wire, you have to have a wire that is long enough.
Based on Tesla's method:
Speed of propagation = 185000 miles/second = 11721600000 inches/second
11721600000 inches/second / 1mhz = 11721.6 inch wavelength / 4 (for quarter wavelength)
= 2930.4 inches / 12 = 244 feet of wire minimum
Another example:
10 nS rise time = .00000001 seconds x 11721600000 inches/second = 1172.16 inches / 12 = 97.68 feet
Based on the rise/fall time of your pulse, you can determine the length of wire that is required.
@GK,
Could I ask back to GKTC1.
Today, I scope GKTC , input 5v and I got the kick 125v output.
Its good (I put more turn in controller). What about your GKTC1 test,
if you still remembered?
nong
As long as you all keep posting relevant info we will do justice for Tesla.
@nong,
I will pull GKTC1 out again and pulse it.
@,
In the attached I only show 3 harmonic bands. But you can bet your house that from bottom to top and top to bottom that the rise and fall exhibits a full range of photonic frequency decelerations spectrally.
--giantkiller. Let's make it happen.
@GK,
How long are your wires?
ok so some people claim it is impossible to stop the current before it reaches the end of the wire..
now i have spend quite some time thinking about how we can stop the current flow.
so i have come up with this idea:
we take a wire and we make a tap point on it,
now as the current starts to flow it will pass the tap point and the disconnect switch will be triggerd and imediatly cut off the flow of current....before it reaches the end of the wire.
we can adjust this circuit by simply moving the tap point on the wire.
just my simple thoughts of today.....
Turbo.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 09, 2007, 01:36:36 PM
@GK,
How long are your wires?
Collectors are 30 feet and the total of 4 controller segments are 30 feet.
My coil previous to that used 23 feet. That length does not match any of the 7.8hz harmonics.
I didn't try pulsing the collectors though.
I have an elephant graveyard of coils and need to go back through it.
--giantkiller. Saddle up your horses, boys. We got a trail to ride.
pherhaps you can make any wire match to the desired harmonic by making sure the tap point is at the right place..
you can even use a tap point as an end of the wire while it is actually longer..
this will be my next direction of experiments this weekend.
Turbo.
Tao's words again:
Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils.
Stevens awnser:
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
QuoteThat length does not match any of the 7.8hz harmonics.
What says it has to?
QuoteI didn't try pulsing the collectors though.
Why would you pulse the collectors?
Have you ever tried to just see if you could get "something" with a long spool of wire, say 250 feet or more, run several loops of stout wire through the center and add a 50 or 100 ohm resistor to the loop wire, and then pulse the spool with short DC spikes (say 5mhz or less than 10 ns) and put an analog meter or other device across the loop coil? This is just a simple depiction of Tesla's RE induction arrangement. (Keep the two coils separate.)No control coils, no rotating fields, no bifilar/trifilar coils, no harmonics, no three frequencies, no "kicks", no mixing and mashing, and no BS to taint Tesla's simple statements - stop the impulse before the current forms - RE radiates perpendicular to source wire - induced RE is proportional to voltage drop across gap - and best results are when mass of primary = secondary.
turbo
that makes good sence the tap points
AND if our tap points go to a fast switch then back into the collector humm...
is
@Turbo,
You don't sound like the "Turbo" that was here several months ago that once went by "Marco" -gave a nice lecture about a "bird on a wire".
You're someone else.
Anyway,
When an impulse is first sent down a wire - the current does not start to flow until the electrons have aligned themselves to the potential - this can be slowed down by increasing the resistance of the wire. Send impulses down the line and the electrons don't know wether to $#!+ or go blind - flipping all over the place - something's got to give. No current, no magnetic field - electric field is pegged - hey look, torsion field is right there - BAM RE - had to go somewhere or things start coming apart. Why no impulse reversals? - pushed electrons back - RE won't manifest.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 09, 2007, 02:45:54 PM
@Turbo,
You don't sound like the "Turbo" that was here several months ago that once went by "Marco" -gave a nice lecture about a "bird on a wire".
You're someone else.
Everybody here is somebody else now. It has been a tedious journey.
--giantkiller. Just curious: what does the L.M.D under the bird stand for? 50.1000.500? Oh! Also that is not the Sun but an RE burst heading into a tuned coil...
Quote from: Grumpy on May 09, 2007, 02:45:54 PM
@Turbo,
You don't sound like the "Turbo" that was here several months ago that once went by "Marco" -gave a nice lecture about a "bird on a wire".
You're someone else.
ah yes the bird...
i do remember that, it was right before insanety struck me ;D
let me
drain my mind and buckle up once again and again to open the
gates in
time.
Grumpy,how come you think i am somebody diffrent?
i just lost the RE view because it is supposed to be "cold" electricity or "negative" , safe to touch..
i keep on reading the part about the RF burns and stuff so it does not fit nicely.
maybe you can clear this bug up?
thanks in advance,
Turbo
Quote from: giantkiller on May 09, 2007, 03:06:13 PM
--giantkiller. Just curious: what does the L.M.D under the bird stand for? 50.1000.500? Oh! Also that is not the Sun but an RE burst heading into a tuned coil...
that would stand for Longitudinal Magneto Dielectric.
but that was a diffrent story...
i am looking for a device which put's out power without me putting anything in.
like the flick of a magnet.
Turbo
If you are the original Turbo, then you know how it works:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
Quote from: Grumpy on May 09, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
If you are the original Turbo, then you know how it works:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
yes, i do know how that works...
because i build that..
but that coil does not work when i pick it up and walk around the house or outside...
we did already go thrue that.
i am looking for the real reaction, no primary to secondary flux, like steven said it.
any thoughts on the cold electricity bug?
Turbo.
Maybe you changed your display name to a name that was no longer active after Turbo deleted his account. See, I have taken the display name of "JackFrost", but my account is still "Grumpy". Just like "Marco" changing to "turbo".
If you know that that coil was capturing a field inside your house, then you would know how to capture other fields such as those common the the earth. It's belived that Floyd Sweet was tapping into a torsion field of the earth itself. His device would cease to work during earthquakes which alter these fields. As source such as this is truely inexhaustible.
Quote from: turbo on May 09, 2007, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on May 09, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
If you are the original Turbo, then you know how it works:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
yes, i do know how that works...
because i build that..
but that coil does not work when i pick it up and walk around the house or outside...
we did already go thrue that.
i am looking for the real reaction, no primary to secondary flux, like steven said it.
any thoughts on the cold electricity bug?
Turbo.
Like putting the electronics in the middle? I agree.
--giantkiller.
In case anyone missed the previous post of this book.
Mention of Leyden Jar and Ruhmkorff coils producing RE effect on page 19 is interesting. The rate of change is key.
http://www.allabouttesla.com/more_about_tesla/inventions/documents/07_02_13_pdf_free_energy_tesla_patents.pdf
So, the torsion field (RE field) can work with the electric field without the magnetic field to produce work.
QuoteFrom page 25 of "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity":
Closely examining the white flames,
Tesla realized why there was no measurable
"electrical current" at the crown of these
activated coils. The normal heavy charge
carriers, electrons, could not travel as quickly
as the radiant pulse itself. Choked in the
metallic lattice of the coil, electrons became
immobile. No electron current moved
through the coil at all. The radiant pulse,
which moved over the coil surface, was
therefore not electronic in nature.
Quote from: turbo on May 09, 2007, 02:05:39 PM
pherhaps you can make any wire match to the desired harmonic by making sure the tap point is at the right place..
you can even use a tap point as an end of the wire while it is actually longer..
this will be my next direction of experiments this weekend.
Turbo.
Aye!
But to do this you would neeed something that was fantastically fast...not something slow like molases...Imagine how usless circuit feedback would be here...coil feedback is another matter..I think that research into something capable of using one kick to trigger the next series ...at the right tap point..
Good stuff Turbo
Lindsay Mannix
I think that between Otto, Yourself and Roberto..
Is it Possible that SM used this Outer Wrap as a DELAY LINE or a MODULATOR to SMASH Frequencies together.
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what if we think 3d humm....
top coil 1 pluse 1 freq coils wound 1 dirrection bottom ring coils wound other dirrection 1 pluse other freq center collector posibaly no connection between top and bottom the freqs might be based on the center collector ring to make it ring when they harmonize take power fron center collector coil or the top and bottom collector coils could be hooked togather kind of like a figure 8 folded in half
what are anyones thoughts?
is
Have any of your ever considered that the feedback circuit that SM spoke of is to keep the damn thing from blowing itself straight to hell?
Like a pressure regulator - pressure too high = boom!
A stab at Otto's one wire setup.
The outer coil is 151 turns of 26awg. The inner loop is 4awg ezflow.
5 volt ppulse in 20v p2p out with scope probe and gnd across ezflow.
I put in led, no light.
I put in 12v bulb, no light.
Oh well. Now I know.
Pretty coil though. Graveyard is just full of weapons just wating to be fired. And is better to cook chicken than your body parts. :D
--giantkiller. Is this correct? Maybe today is not the day to burn the house down.
These contaminants concentrated their escape from
the system as harmful, blue stinging dartlets.
By comparison, the white flame-like discharge
was a smooth and harmless glow.
"Tesla Technology is Impulse
Technology. Without the disruptive,
unidirectional IMPULSE, there are no
Radiant Energy effects. Generating this
Radiant Energy requires special energetic
applications, applications of succinct and
brief impulses."
The dartlets I have produced with the stungun and the gk4.
--giantkiller. Micro-lightning. Coolest thing I have ever seen.
Wing Profile and TPU Profile...
here is a real good question for everyone
what might a plasma feild have to do with the tpu
could it be a biproduct of the counter rotating mag feilds or are we going to use the plasma from the center of the big ring to produce the electricty in the collector as it rotates i think the sm17 and the other big ring will be the easyest to understand how the tpu works and functions
in the center of the sm17 it is a transmiter of plasma? and the collector ring on the outside is a reciver?
thoughts anyone?
is
IS
Plasma is ionized gas, most of the time, it's superheated ionized gas. And depending on the type of gas, it usually flouresces visibly in the presence of an electric field, it always emits light in an electric field, just not always visible. Although plasma is interesting, I'm not sure that it can be "transmitted" in such a way to be useful in power generation. When magnetic fields collide in a plasma field massive amounts of power can be generated, but there has to be plasma present for that, it's not a by product of magnetic fields. Ambient free floating ions do not constitute a plasma field. Plasma is the fourth state of matter and is what makes up a vast majority of matter in the universe. However I'm not sure how it relates here.
@Grumpy, Turbo is the same Turbo, who was Marco. I can confirm that, and if you have any problems with the proof have have Stefan tell you. No need for this squabbling.
As he said the old device was a Tesla MT. One transmitter, and one receiver. It didn't transmit very far. It didn't fit the SM model as he said, and explained very clearly, so he abandoned it. Are you saying he gave up on it too soon? If so, I sort of agree. SM DID say to Mannix about Tao, that he had the secret (do you think he knows it). Which is what Marco based his build on anyway.
However, In Turbo's defense, tuning one side of an MT to the other, is not the same as tuning to the earth's magnetic field. Which of course, you are correct, anyone could do with enough wire. However that would be cost and time prohibitive. What is amazing is that the SM device seems to be producing HOT electricity. NOT cold electricity. Either that, or the energy is getting converted to HOT electricity very quickly within the operation of the TPU. The other thing that is amazing is that SM has tapped a nature source with such a SMALL device. One could also tap the Schumann frequencies easily with enough wire. However you'd need thousands of miles of wire for even a half or hundreds for a quarter wavelength. Again, not practical.
So, Marco(turbo), is asking the right questions. If the device's true operation is like the MT, then we need to know how to tune the receiver to the source in an efficient manner. If in fact you are saying he gave up to early.
Rich
i agree on the hot electricty thing the tpu makes hot power but im sure cold power can be made too i think if we look real hard we will find that huge tpu's have already been built by the goves there is somthing similar to the tpu in ontario there is a huge ring built in texes i think it is 7 miles long it is incased in concreat and also in france they have a 37 km ring built that is cold electricty and i think i herd some where that it was running at around - 250 degress celcious also what happins when you freeze a magnet?
the tpu is for real and i beleave we are all aready being sold electricty generated from a tpu
is
The majority of Tesla's patents have included in them a generator. We say that is there to generate electricity. Put your seatbelt on, Now! This part of the device creates a potential for the radiant energy to work with. The generator also creates sparks. Excuse me? This part of the device creates the radiant energy.
Gray's devices had spark gaps. Spark gaps killed men at Niagra and Jersey. I had spark gaps. I saw the radiant energy dartlets. As I ran my finger by the energized GK4 I saw streams of whitish blue bolts jump across the layers. Could be done with a magnet. Now can you guess what I was doing? My finger tip was like a thundercloud rolling across the landscape. Totally Frankenstein here.
Back to the generator.
We have all been looking at this from inside the box. How about we take a new journey? We see every power device as parallel wire / magnetic field connection. When you have that much adjacent matter, the transmittal can be at lower energies. Remember the 90 degree arguments? Well 90 degree coupling works because the intersecting surfaces easly permit only very high transmission. Very invisible in todays current ability. So how do we see that? We bring to conduction 2 points close in space. And Viola! One sees conduction by sparkage. Can you say spark gap? Albeit, big.
Now lets go better. Back to the 90 degress coupling. Lets say you had a number of wires criss crossing another set of wires and you pulse them with a stun gun. You now have a lattice grid of micro connections of radiant energy. You have essentially achieved the sparkage neccessary to permit the next step.
The next step? The Steven Mark devices are all stun gun implementations. The SM15, SM17 have fuse holders in the rear of them. Remember that setup I did? The smaller units are a lattice of micro-connections under wraps.
If you look at the Lindemann and Gray setups you will see.
@IS,
Yes, the power is cold. BUT! the copper gets pissed-off hot!
--giantkiller. Here's your sign...
Quote from: gn0stik on May 10, 2007, 12:40:22 PM
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@Grumpy, Turbo is the same Turbo, who was Marco. I can confirm that, and if you have any problems with the proof have have Stefan tell you. No need for this squabbling.
As he said the old device was a Tesla MT. One transmitter, and one receiver. It didn't transmit very far. It didn't fit the SM model as he said, and explained very clearly, so he abandoned it. Are you saying he gave up on it too soon? If so, I sort of agree. SM DID say to Mannix about Tao, that he had the secret (do you think he knows it). Which is what Marco based his build on anyway.
However, In Turbo's defense, tuning one side of an MT to the other, is not the same as tuning to the earth's magnetic field. Which of course, you are correct, anyone could do with enough wire. However that would be cost and time prohibitive. What is amazing is that the SM device seems to be producing HOT electricity. NOT cold electricity. Either that, or the energy is getting converted to HOT electricity very quickly within the operation of the TPU. The other thing that is amazing is that SM has tapped a nature source with such a SMALL device. One could also tap the Schumann frequencies easily with enough wire. However you'd need thousands of miles of wire for even a half or hundreds for a quarter wavelength. Again, not practical.
So, Marco(turbo), is asking the right questions. If the device's true operation is like the MT, then we need to know how to tune the receiver to the source in an efficient manner. If in fact you are saying he gave up to early.
Rich
I'll take your word for teh verification that Turbo is Turbo. Like I mentioned , it doesn't really matter. Yes, I feel that Turbo gave up too soon with the MT. If the MT were packaged as a close system, you could take it anywhere.
SM said many things and it is difficult at best to decipher his meaning. I too cling to the statement that Tao has the secret and this in itself slices through the BS and indicates that the TPU utilizes RE. SM also stated that he was not positive that the device harnessed the Earth's gravitational field. SM is definitely familiar with the works of Tesla. As a side note, I have heard of people tapping the earth torsion grid and the power there is extremely great. A device that just collects could be based upon this source.
Tesla indicated that impulse duration (pulse width and possibly rate of change) determined the effects that were manifest be the RE produced. Long pulses produced heat. Looking at SM's pictures and I see rather large capacitors and possibly modified chokes = slow impulse circuit. There is also the possibility that SM's device converts the cold E to hot E, but I hold to the long pulse idea for now.
The rate that a signal propagates through a conductor can be greatly slowed. This is a function of the impedence of the wire. Raise the impedance and you slow the signal - now you need less wire.
Guess what? Tubes have a high impedence - they slow down propagation velocity. When SM went from tubes to SS he could get the effect to manifest because the propagation was too damn fast. He would have needed a mile of wire.
Spark gap? High impedance.
SM was an audio guy - I venture a guess that he modified the impedance of the drive circuits to slow the voltage impulse down so he could stop it before the current flowed and then the RE would manifest.
That PDF book - The Free Secrets of Cold Electricity mentions three different accounts of RE manifestation with three different devices: capacitor discharge, Ruhmkorff Coil, and Tesla's - all have a spark gap.
(EDIT - GK posted before I was finished typing)
There are three fields - not two! - three!!! The torsion field (tempic, scalar, etc.), the electric field, and the magnetic field. RE = torsion field. The three fields are 90 degrees to each other, so in the center of a toroid is a torsion field. When the electric impulse is stopped, the electrons of the wire have to return to their orientations, but they can't so this energy has to go somewhere and it dumps into the torsion field - comes out perp to the electric field - magnetic field never closed. Torsion field is linked to inertia, mass, time, space, etc.
thank you gk
im sure that clears up a hole bunch of stuff it makes plain sence to me any ways so guess what we need some stun gun circuits 2 in my opinion 1 gets 1 freq in 1 dirr and the other gets the other freq in the other all in the same control wire and mabe we need something to stop the power from going back in to the opsite stun guns when they fire
@gk can you show us a working ring yet ? but i think you dont have to i think if people look a little bit harder at what has been written you all will find how to build the darn thing!!
remember to get it hot with a lot of noise!! and be careful
1 more thing i would like to say is PAUL YOU ROCK and i have said that many times b4
what about using a transformar backwards like otto said and pluse it send the output of the transformer through the control coils? what would happin would it not act like a stun gun?
and what if our upper collector and lower were the transformers made with 1 long wire and our center collector was made with 1 turn 700 strands #4 gage car power wire and what would happin if there was no connection between the top and bottom collector to the center 1 top and bottom togather like a folded figure 8
just thinking agin
thought i would share
is
@ gk
wont spark gaps cause interferince with
other radio receivers???
wer
Quote from: weri812 on May 10, 2007, 02:59:08 PM
@ gk
wont spark gaps cause interferince with
other radio receivers???
wer
And is there a problem with corrupting the status quo?
We are presently based on a antiquated infrastructure model that breeds war and poverty. Pure evil. What do you think the goal is here? ;)
--giantkiller. Things must change. Things are going to change. I glimpse eternity.
the interferience is 1 of the reasons this is not public also gk when you got your huge kicks and the rocket fell from the sky humm makes sence when i got big kicks from 1 of my first coils it drove my comp speekers crazy at 1 point when i had a magnet near my coil it made it sing and my speekers too!
is
Quote from: Grumpy on May 10, 2007, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: gn0stik on May 10, 2007, 12:40:22 PM
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@Grumpy, Turbo is the same Turbo, who was Marco. I can confirm that, and if you have any problems with the proof have have Stefan tell you. No need for this squabbling.
As he said the old device was a Tesla MT. One transmitter, and one receiver. It didn't transmit very far. It didn't fit the SM model as he said, and explained very clearly, so he abandoned it. Are you saying he gave up on it too soon? If so, I sort of agree. SM DID say to Mannix about Tao, that he had the secret (do you think he knows it). Which is what Marco based his build on anyway.
However, In Turbo's defense, tuning one side of an MT to the other, is not the same as tuning to the earth's magnetic field. Which of course, you are correct, anyone could do with enough wire. However that would be cost and time prohibitive. What is amazing is that the SM device seems to be producing HOT electricity. NOT cold electricity. Either that, or the energy is getting converted to HOT electricity very quickly within the operation of the TPU. The other thing that is amazing is that SM has tapped a nature source with such a SMALL device. One could also tap the Schumann frequencies easily with enough wire. However you'd need thousands of miles of wire for even a half or hundreds for a quarter wavelength. Again, not practical.
So, Marco(turbo), is asking the right questions. If the device's true operation is like the MT, then we need to know how to tune the receiver to the source in an efficient manner. If in fact you are saying he gave up to early.
Rich
I'll take your word for teh verification that Turbo is Turbo. Like I mentioned , it doesn't really matter. Yes, I feel that Turbo gave up too soon with the MT. If the MT were packaged as a close system, you could take it anywhere.
SM said many things and it is difficult at best to decipher his meaning. I too cling to the statement that Tao has the secret and this in itself slices through the BS and indicates that the TPU utilizes RE. SM also stated that he was not positive that the device harnessed the Earth's gravitational field. SM is definitely familiar with the works of Tesla. As a side note, I have heard of people tapping the earth torsion grid and the power there is extremely great. A device that just collects could be based upon this source.
Tesla indicated that impulse duration (pulse width and possibly rate of change) determined the effects that were manifest be the RE produced. Long pulses produced heat. Looking at SM's pictures and I see rather large capacitors and possibly modified chokes = slow impulse circuit. There is also the possibility that SM's device converts the cold E to hot E, but I hold to the long pulse idea for now.
The rate that a signal propagates through a conductor can be greatly slowed. This is a function of the impedence of the wire. Raise the impedance and you slow the signal - now you need less wire.
Guess what? Tubes have a high impedence - they slow down propagation velocity. When SM went from tubes to SS he could get the effect to manifest because the propagation was too damn fast. He would have needed a mile of wire.
Spark gap? High impedance.
SM was an audio guy - I venture a guess that he modified the impedance of the drive circuits to slow the voltage impulse down so he could stop it before the current flowed and then the RE would manifest.
That PDF book - The Free Secrets of Cold Electricity mentions three different accounts of RE manifestation with three different devices: capacitor discharge, Ruhmkorff Coil, and Tesla's - all have a spark gap.
(EDIT - GK posted before I was finished typing)
There are three fields - not two! - three!!! The torsion field (tempic, scalar, etc.), the electric field, and the magnetic field. RE = torsion field. The three fields are 90 degrees to each other, so in the center of a toroid is a torsion field. When the electric impulse is stopped, the electrons of the wire have to return to their orientations, but they can't so this energy has to go somewhere and it dumps into the torsion field - comes out perp to the electric field - magnetic field never closed. Torsion field is linked to inertia, mass, time, space, etc.
Grumpy, AWESOME post. Yes, the impulse duration was the key to Tesla's work. And yes, I had forgotten this. Great observations on the TPU with the large caps and slow pulse conclusion. I agree whole heartedly. Makes perfect sense. So changing the pulse speed will change the characteristics, and even FUNCTION of the TPU, according to Vassilatos's and Lindemann's writing to a lesser degree. Another thing we have to keep in mind is that there can be NO AC. Although the anomalous energy is present with AC pulses it is trapped in the composite current.
Again, excellent post.
Quote from: innovation_station on May 10, 2007, 04:35:51 PM
the interferience is 1 of the reasons this is not public also gk when you got your huge kicks and the rocket fell from the sky humm makes sence when i got big kicks from 1 of my first coils it drove my comp speekers crazy at 1 point when i had a magnet near my coil it made it sing and my speekers too!
is
I tied those 2 events together just through happenstance. But I mean, come on. What are the odds? It was an electronic device and it occured over my city at the same time as the fantastic coil tests. I would have been rather playing the lottery. With those kind of odds, right now I would not be here.
My next test brought down all my electronics in the house.
I could be deemed dangerous? Or willfully a personal threat to myself and others.
--giantkiller. I guess the authorities are still wondering.
Rings and rotating fields are excellent for containment of electrons and such. This would include a MAGVID style electron sucking vortex. Since there is no mention of a rotating field in any other literature on RE, I would venture to think that a rotating field is not "required" and add that if it helps to contain RE, then it would be "beneficial".
Furthermore, Tesla was very adament that there could be no "reverse current". This can be taken a couple of ways:
No AC (includes sine waves and sucky diodes that don't cut off fast enough)
No reflected signals (like with impedence mismatch - can't reflect if it never gets to the end or is absorbed at the end)
No current (since it flows opposite the voltage since elctrons are negative)
Choke that down and you get DC impulses and no current - forcing the energy to dissipate through the torsion field as RE.
sorry gk :-[
didn't mean to make every body mad
i just asked because i know what spark gaps do
wer
Quote from: giantkiller on May 10, 2007, 02:27:36 PM
The next step? The Steven Mark devices are all stun gun implementations. The SM15, SM17 have fuse holders in the rear of them. Remember that setup I did? The smaller units are a lattice of micro-connections under wraps.
If you look at the Lindemann and Gray setups you will see.
@IS,
Yes, the power is cold. BUT! the copper gets pissed-off hot!
--giantkiller. Here's your sign...
I fail to see how Tesla, Gray, Lindemann ideas/circuits are related to the SM stuff unless you are simply talking about a very short pulse duration of high voltage. I also don't seem to see any high voltage aparatus in the SM videos. Am I missing something?
On a different note I have built many Gray/Tesla circuits duplicating the "Radiant Event", but after 2-3 hours per day for two years I got no significant results from these devices. Similar to Al Francour's results with the Gray circuit. Al still has the original Gray motors (well a couple of them anyway) but no way to power them. This type of circuitry requires very large and dangerous capacitor banks charged to at least 3KV. I was once hit by this charge (3KV @ 2 ampere) and I am amazed I am still alive. These banks are bulky and one should be able to see them in the SM videos if they were there.
Third, televisions and other electronics are totally disabled or only partially work when a device like this is within 30-40 feet from them. In fact I could hear the pulses in speakers over 150 feet away when the device was running, and yet I could get no significant power from the grid, torroid or any other device I chose to place over the Tungsten spark gap as it fired.
I would be interested in hearing how you intend to work this into the SM device and how it works out. Sounds like fun if nothing else.
Tad
:)
Ya, it wasn't much fun. I don't think I took the whole charge because of the capacitors leaking down before I touched the system and maybe found a better grouding path than me. But it did throw me 5 feet and slam me against the wall. I honestly couldn't think for a couple minutes. Didn't know what had happened and my arm was totally locked up. Clenched so tight I could not move it and yet hurt like hell. As if the whole arm had severe muscle cramp. That lasted for two hours and I had thought about going to the doctor but I had no insurance and not enough money to pay for medical help.
The caps were .5uF @ 10KV rated. They cost $175 each. I sold them when I decided I was going to get back into the Meyers hydrogen stuff I had been working on for a few years prior. I still have the Gray circuit though.
Ratings were:
3KV @ 2-3 Ampere discharging through a magnetically quenched spark gap. Firing pulse was 65uS in length and had a very distinct "crack" sound to it. White in color and tingled the skin even at a few feet away. I tried a Svetlana tube and it worked good but still had about the same pulse duration. But the stats are all well within the Tesla/Gray requirements for obtaining a "Radiant event" as Lindemann describes. Gary Magratten also had a nice Gray circuit built but I have not heard from him in years. He said he was going to try and re-pantent it and go for the "money path" but I don't think he ever got it working like the wripteups say it should work.
The can crusher stuff and others things at powerlabs is very cool. Never had enough dough to do some of those things but love to watch em shrink quarters, etc.
Quote from: UncleFester on May 10, 2007, 08:52:46 PM
I fail to see how Tesla, Gray, Lindemann ideas/circuits are related to the SM stuff unless you are simply talking about a very short pulse duration of high voltage. I also don't seem to see any high voltage aparatus in the SM videos. Am I missing something?
Tad
hi , i don't see the correlation either, however it could be that the high speed rotating field generates the requierd short high voltage pulses.
i hope more testing will show the way to go..
Turbo.
Quote from: UncleFester on May 10, 2007, 08:52:46 PM
I fail to see how Tesla, Gray, Lindemann ideas/circuits are related to the SM stuff unless you are simply talking about a very short pulse duration of high voltage. I also don't seem to see any high voltage aparatus in the SM videos. Am I missing something?
Tad
This is exactly what I'm talking about. How high is "high voltage"? 500v is high compared to 9v and easily produced with a small pulse transformer - it's a relative term. A simple induction coil like for the ignition of an auto is 10000v or more.
Remember that in the open tpu there is a tv flyback transformer!! This points to high voltage being used! Question remains what is being done with it....
Robert
it was said before, if it is RE in the tpu, why use 3 frequency's and all the stuff?
why not build just one coil and pulse the heck out of it..
Turbo
however, if we think about firing a pulse into a coil and stopping it before it reaches the end...the frequency would indeed depend on the circumference of the coil/ length of wire/number of turns/voltage.
RE weekend comming up 8)
Turbo
HI I WHANT TO SY THIS I MAKE THIS DIVICES I LIKE THE TURBO DIVICES WHIT 9 VOLTS ,, THEN DIVICES IS GIVET MORE POWER THEN INPUT ...ITs like this ,,,first i make osciloator whit driver mosfet BUZ 11A THEN I MAKE 6" INCES TOROID COIL WHIT 18 TURNS THEN I MAKE AROUND WHIT THIS COIL I MAKE 26 TURNS IS LIKE TURBO VIDEO CLIP ....MY OSCILATOR IS CHARGER WHIT 11WATS AND THEN I THE COLECTOR COILS I HAVE MORE THEN 25 WATS BUT I THING IN THE TURBO COIL IS BRING 1 FRECFENCE WHIT 1 MOSFET TRANZISTOR THE ATHER 2 TRANZISTORS IS FOR THE CHARGIN THE 2 CAPACITATORS ,,, FRIST IS RECHARGIN 1 CAPACITATOR IN THE BULB IN THE SAME TIME IS CHARGIN THE ATHER ONE CAPACITATOR I
IF THE TURBO NOT A HAVE 2 CAPACITATORS THEN THE BULB WHIL LIGHT ONLY I 1 TIME NOTHING ELSE BUT THE LIGHT WHIL THE MORE POWER THEN INPUT HO IS CHARGING WHIT A 9 VOLTS ...
ITHING THAT IS THAT THE NEXT TIME I WHIL E SEND VIDEO CLIP ..
AND YOU WIHIL SE E HOVE IS THE MAKE HAPEN THIS MORE ENERGI THAN INPUT
MANY THANKS FOR Macedonia
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Quote from: dutchy1966 on May 11, 2007, 01:17:05 PM
Remember that in the open tpu there is a tv flyback transformer!! This points to high voltage being used! Question remains what is being done with it....
Robert
it has to be going through the upper and lower collector and spattering out because of the gage of the collectors only certan freqs are rated for certian wires so use a wire it will spatter from to the center collector through plasma or sparks or somthing else
i have a new idea on how it is all wired
this is my most receant thought on how it is wired i think that you start from the out side like my last ring send power through all the wires except the center collector my controls are all 1 wire so power goes through the outter wrap first then the inner wrap then the controls then the bottom and the top collector that way you have a verry long wire and when it gets almost to the end it is in the collector and it will spatter as well it is seting up a cancleing mag feild all the way around the ring from the outside in and "squeezing the hose" in a 3d way putting more power back into its self on the way to the collector to spatter and if we put a final wrap of steel wire on the bottom and top collector the electricty would jump through a gap to the center
more new thoughts
is
I've never gotten a good explanation of the three frequencies. It can be taken too many ways to really discern what the hell SM is talking aobut here. I can surmise from the fact that there are three collector setups, then each would have it's own natural frequency (for the control coils that is). This would also imply that even with impulses - each would have it's own freq that it would work best at. Tuning for longitudinal is very high Q - very touchy - this is in line with many things SM said.
As for the outer wrap - who knows - maybe it is just DC in it. Damn thing could be shorted for all we know - seriously.
Or, he vibrates the collectors at one freq, the control coils at another, and the outer wrap at another - who knows.
Does it really matter how SM wound his wire? No. Take what you know of RE and - get the charging effect first - and then proceed.
@IS & Macedonia,
Great ideas! You'll see that the GK4 is not high power and fully documented to try.
There are other coils that work, but this one is the most publicly expressed. This is not the most powerful but it is the nastiest one fully disclosed. 2 others have tried this one and chose not to talk about it publicly.
The GK4 is an open face microwave transmitter. It also produces radiant energy. I did not pulse it in the orginal way and use the stungun in parallel. Too dangerous!
The LOTR:1:2 post shows that I used all coils with frequencies in them.
Attached is the next build of a similar version of Turbo's last build.
I have made a few differences. The collector is 20 turns of 30 feet 30awg. Should the unit go runaway it will self destruct. I am going to use my GK ring counter circuit also with modifications. I will place an opamp at the end of each of the 3 segments. This will cutoff that segments pulse via a reset at the 74ls193 counter. The rise time will be taken into affect. I could use that to pulse the next counter stage to drive the next segment also.
The control coils are 3 segments of 8 sections. Each section is 40 turns of 30awg. Each segment will consist of a single wire. A radio shack spool of 30awg 200 feet should fill the whole ring. That will equate to 3 phase 24 field motor.
4 1/4 inch diam sched 27-29 thin wall,
1 inch high but the coil space in middle is 3/4 in for coil loop height.
New and imporoved! Now with full controls on. Less than 1 spool of 30awg wire. Can you say 'A buck fifty?'. Radio Shack corporate must be scratching their heads. Terminal blocks and wire sales have jumped up in the last months! Ship more wire!
Next I do the top and bottom Helmholtz coils.
1st Helmholtz done. 10 turn awg 26 stranded with 6 inch leads. Time: 10 minutes. Somebody, stop me! :D
Final answer. Think Helmholtz. I see 3 sets of 1collector and 1 controller. 3 controllers? Yep. One per layer. I can do 3 per the middle collector if I want. 3 frequencies? Yep. 3 pathways for the 1 frequency to go. This thing is inbred. I see mobius Hemlholtz's. There are actually 4 or dual middle current coils. The gold winding on each actually modifies the field of top and botom collector coils. They would be feedback. Any reason why it looks like snare drum?
Total build time was 3 hours.
Now I go to bed and sleep this TPU drunkeness off. Probably wake up with same day hangover.
Tonight I will jumper this one. I will call it GKMTC1(giantkiller modified Turbo coil1). Compact little dude, eh?
@Motorcoach1,
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them,
One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness find them."
--giantkiller. The ringwraiths are loose! ;)
Is it 1" height and 6"dia?
Quote from: nong on May 12, 2007, 12:52:08 AM
Is it 1" height and 6"dia?
Oops. I apologize.
4 1/4 inch diam sched 27-29 thin wall,
1 inch high but the coil space in middle is 3/4 in for coil loop height.
giantkiller.
@GK,
Oops...again
30 feet of 4" is about 25 turns, isnt it? wavelenght is 8.73hz?
nong
Quote from: nong on May 12, 2007, 08:34:37 AM
@GK,
Oops...again
30 feet of 4" is about 25 turns, isnt it? wavelenght is 8.73hz?
nong
4 1/4" with 6 " leads. don't cut.
@ gk aint nobody gonna be able to stop this!
this hole project becomes clear and clear each and every day
is
@ gk I got better effects winding the loops on the ring at 45 degrees the electrons aline @ that angle when geting collected to the negative charge of the AG material. now I'm wonderig if the outside of the ring is whole numbers and the inside is prime number then the winding loop would be at 90 degrees outside and then 45 on the in side mmmmmm ....Mike
@ GK
Them coils look Awesome. Nice and neat. Good job! (.V.) Nice pair Bro!
.M.
I posted a video for an explaination of the TPU process.
There is nothing new under the sun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l04u8MeeNcM
--giantkiller. I'd like to thank the Academy and my Mom.
Hi GK,
NICE! :D
~Dan
a big thank you to
GK
may we all now have working tpu's
thanks agin gk
is
:)
secret.......
enjoy....
~Dan
Quote from: giantkiller on May 12, 2007, 07:10:32 PM
I posted a video for an explaination of the TPU process.
There is nothing new under the sun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l04u8MeeNcM
--giantkiller. I'd like to thank the Academy and my Mom.
Could you post at yahoo video, pls.
secrets......
~Dan
Lesson #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpuoj4tYfM
The TPU is in transission to the bench for hookup.
And lesson #3 is in the classroom as we speak.
-giantkiller.
@giantkiller .. thanks for the fine work you r doing!!! ;)
devilzangel
..
The next step is to make it go faster.. But how
http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/ http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/DesignOffice/mdp/electric_web/AC/AC_6.html
bet we could make the ring a resonant super conductor. (Ronoett calls this a cattilst field) Hmm lets try an antenna bridge to make things easyer to tune. Then we'll pulse the backbone and see what happins. lets say 3.8Mhz for a 4.1/2'' setup, oppsing GK4 style. Man that Gk4 ring sure has been used for alot of test hasnt it. Thanx GK!,, ::) .M.
@ gk
thanks man looks good ;D
cut three rings and a viset to radio shack for wire ;D ;D ;D
will be putting it to geather waiting on conection dia gram :) :)
keep up the good work
wer
Quote from: weri812 on May 13, 2007, 10:48:19 AM
@ gk
thanks man looks good ;D
cut three rings and a viset to radio shack for wire ;D ;D ;D
will be putting it to geather waiting on conection dia gram :) :)
keep up the good work
wer
I am incorporating the physical model that Marco showed and the operational model the Danswaay mentioned.
My .02 here is that now the 3 operational layers fit on 1 physycal layer, a slight change from all the 3 layer models in the past. So whether this is close or not, the simplicity bears down on it. Everybody started out with high awg wire. It was a trial and error for me also. But when c0mster & Jdo300 showed results with 30 awg I immediatelty switched. And boom! Safety came onto the scene immediately from above. That showed me the next step. So we have been lead to learn and try. The progress has been made largely by processional steps by everybody. Every step and everything mentioned by all is valid and very important! I know it causes me to think and visualize. Mankind's greatest ability. Thinking is the best to travel.
I also learned many years ago that the right image on the computer screen sells computers. Growing up as an artist fit right in. And now this doco trip has been a great place to make deposits.
So, Thanks to all you posters that feed us all. This is the greatest adventure on the planet. I am sure the hits will keep on comin'.
Now on to configuration and testing to find what is right and wrong with this next coil. Patience is key. The GKMTC1 took 3 hours to build.
It cost $8.00 to build! And the most important feature of this one is 'No sore fingers'. This one was easy. The operation hasn't proven dangerous yet either. And it's a great little desktop ornament. If nothing else we all have a great collection of solid state Christmas wreaths for the up and coming season.
--giantkiller. You can't dream if you don't rest.
very good gk
this one looks very promising so i got enoph stuff to make 3 of them
low out put and lots of fun
what did you use to cut notches
thanks
wer
Quote from: weri812 on May 13, 2007, 11:53:13 AM
very good gk
this one looks very promising so i got enoph stuff to make 3 of them
low out put and lots of fun
what did you use to cut notches
thanks
wer
It is a Dremel drill press but just set the height. Tilt the pvc ring to slip it under Dremel 562 cutter bit so you slide the pvc ring toward you. Better control. That means you have marked the inside of the ring with a sharpie. The cut depth for the slot is 1/8".
--giantkiller.
OK, I must've missed something.
I see you mention results from Danswaay, and JDO, and your build of a Turbo-Like ring. But no results anywhere. What is everyone raving about? I can't see anywhere where anyone posted any results of any testing. I can see clearly that everyone's excited about something but don't see what they are excited about.
Can someone spell it out for me please?
Quote from: gn0stik on May 13, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
OK, I must've missed something.
I see you mention results from Danswaay, and JDO, and your build of a Turbo-Like ring. But no results anywhere. What is everyone raving about? I can't see anywhere where anyone posted any results of any testing. I can see clearly that everyone's excited about something but don't see what they are excited about.
Can someone spell it out for me please?
We can be a thermostat or a thermometer. We can change the environment or only report whats been done. The Helmholtz coil has been proven in the scientific community. The action now is to integrate a few proven concepts. All great journeys start with small steps. One cannot win the race if they don't get in the chariot. There is no finished product without the package it fits in.
Testing has commenced and will continue...
--giantkiller. Welcome to the fray.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 13, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: gn0stik on May 13, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
OK, I must've missed something.
I see you mention results from Danswaay, and JDO, and your build of a Turbo-Like ring. But no results anywhere. What is everyone raving about? I can't see anywhere where anyone posted any results of any testing. I can see clearly that everyone's excited about something but don't see what they are excited about.
Can someone spell it out for me please?
We can be a thermostat or a thermometer. We can change the environment or only report whats been done. The Helmholtz coil has been proven in the scientific community. The action now is to integrate a few proven concepts. All great journeys start with small steps. One cannot win the race if they don't get in the chariot. There is no finished product without the package it fits in.
Testing has commenced and will continue...
--giantkiller. Welcome to the fray.
Do, or do NOT!, there is no try!
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Ok, yoda, I'm feeling a bit like luke with an annoying little green mystic on my back.
Can you just speak in plain jedi english please? I know you mean well, but your attempt at inspiration has accomplished only more confusion.
What happened that everyone is so stoked about, and what is being developed right now?
What did JDO and Danswaay do that led you down this path, that the rest of us were not present for?
I would recommend starting like this.
"So, ok, there we were in skype, JDO had this little tpu with a 30ga collector and Danswaay"
(insert detailed explanation here)
And finish with "So having given you all this awesome DETAILED information, go forth and conquer"
Or some such stuff.
See how that could be useful to us?
Or have we all just decided that obscurity is en-vogue? Seems to be the trend, I have to admit. I guess I'm just not as hip as the go getters, cuz I just don't get it.
Please take this lightly, not as an attack. I'm in pain right now, hence my relative absense. And I may have missed somethign crucial. Please just assume that I have and s-p-e-l-l it out for me.
It's hard for me to get excited about a pile of creatively wound wire unless I know what it does.
Rich
rich
sorry for your pain but all has been spelled many times it is a puzzel if you can put the peices togather you will have a tpu i think it will be hard for any one to say this is how you do it because plain english you post it you will in my opinion be doing the wrong thing the big moneyies in this world do not want it out do not think for 1 second that they do not know the tpu works because it does when you figure it out and you will then you post it public because i dont think many people who have finished it will do so i dont want a visit do you? from who you might ask my responce is think!!
for the record i dont even have my scope yet but soon so that will tell you i dont have a working ring yet i have built rings yes but do they work i dont know but i will find out soon enough when i have the tools until then im still learning as most of us are
is
okay i have done some non-standard tests with diffrent current flows in the same wire and my conclusion is that indeed it is possible to do this.
i started off with the example shown below and then switched wires etc. to see what it does.
the bulbs both lite up fine while we have two currents running in diffrent directions in the same wire.
these experiments can also be done by using diffrent kind of currents.
Turbo.
Quote from: gn0stik on May 13, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
OK, I must've missed something.
I see you mention results from Danswaay, and JDO, and your build of a Turbo-Like ring. But no results anywhere. What is everyone raving about? I can't see anywhere where anyone posted any results of any testing. I can see clearly that everyone's excited about something but don't see what they are excited about.
Can someone spell it out for me please?
There are no results from this new design as of yet. Previous results were close to 95 percent efficient and thus underunity. But this new Helmholz coil looks primising and that's what the excitement is about. My personal tests have shown that there is indeed voltage showing on the collector coils of the same amplitude of the control coils, but no significant current on the collector. So hopefully this new Helmholz coil will show promise.
@ gn0stik
The magic magnetic neutral line....
~Dan
:)
Quote from: joe dirt on May 13, 2007, 07:47:52 PM
let not OZ control your thinking process, he gives our courage (false patriotism, unjust
war, etc..) He gives us our heart (moral decree from the state, television sitcoms
& Illusion of acceptence etc..) He gives us our brain (Titles, in which we base our
ego,s, which are rationalized with half truths)
http://www.noplacelikeoz.com/Page3.htm
George Orwell labeled it Soma, Karl Marx labeled it the opiate of the masses. Chew on your favorite lump till you're fat, dumb and happy. You won't even know your in debt. Oops, I meant drugged.
Quote from: joe dirt on May 13, 2007, 07:47:52 PM
Gee Wiz, heh, just believe and it will be given to you, that,s the catch22, we have to
take dought out of our minds. The mind is the worlds first quantum computer, it
works at that level (Referencing Tom Beardon).
Speak as it were so. Thine enemies will be put asunder.
The instructions on how to think and act in the Bible are very specific. It is the operating manual for the most powerful device in this reality. Anybody that uses the instructions to the letter has no enemies. Because fear and doubt have no foothold.
I truely pity anybody that thinks they can deter this project.
Let's stay together on this and move on into the vastness of ideas. I know I am not the only one that sees this coming about.
I heard an interesting sermon today about the israelites wandering about in the desert for 40 years. Not new to me but in a different light. God kept them there till the first generation died off. They complained too much and were not of action. Hmmm...
I am going to end up in a box
after I die and not one second
before.
--giantkiller. United we stand.
Well said GK.
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Tesla found that by adding a capacitor inline bwteen his generator and his "disruptor" the RE effect was dramatically increased.
Take a look at a "highpass filter and you will see a series capacitor - this will turn square waves into spikes. I posted a word doc and pdf on these circuits a long time ago and will post again tomorrow or later tonight.
Looking at SM's chokes as pulse transformers - square in = pulse out.
Eric Dollard uses same arrangement in his video - link was recently posted. (His circuit is also called a "balanced highpass filter".) He must have 4 to 6 orders of differentiation going on - Holy Shit! - Delta function...infinite energy...what was he driving it with?
Comparing to Thomson's experiences with Rohmkorff coils (Lindeman book) - he connected to output to a water pipe (ground) and a metal table top (potential) (think capacitor) and charged everything in the building - and maintained this charge while the coil was running.
More later.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 13, 2007, 11:14:07 PM
Tesla found that by adding a capacitor inline bwteen his generator and his "disruptor" the RE effect was dramatically increased.
Yes. I see. It takes the dc level out of the pulse height making the rising and trailing edge closer together. Bang!
thanks. I will try that next.
--giantkiller.
Joe, Great post. Thanks for seeing my post for what it was. I agree whole heartedly on the govt as our "matrix". As long as we believe, we're happy.
Dan, thanks, no experimental results to post yet. I understand the absense then.
IS. You seem to have missed the point. I'm not asking anyone how to build a TPU. I'm asking people to post the results of their experiments and what was so special about THIS particular build. We see lot's of wire wrapped in the general shape of a donut. Why is this one so special. That's all. Everyone seemed excited, when no experimental results had been posted yet. THATS what I didn't get. Don't get me wrong, it was a pretty one. Nicely built, but what was the theory behind it, what preliminary testing led to it being built? What results got everyone so excited? Now I know a little of the idea behind it, who's preliminary testing inspired it, and that there were no results that got everyone fired up. I still don't know what Jason and Dan did with their 30 ga collector coils. But I guess I can live without that info until GK posts the results of his new ring. I was just a bit confused, that's all.
GK, Soma is latin for sleep. The big sleep, the big dream. Or as they would say in the matrix, the world that has been pulled over our eyes. This concept is central to gnosticism. Now, the gnostics were heretics, but they had that part dead right. They were famous for going around telling people to "WAKE UP, You Sleeper, you dreamer!" The very knowlege of the illusion, imbued them with power, sound familiar?
Oh, and I could be wrong, but wasn't Marx speaking about religion in regards to the opiate of the Masses? "....and no religion too, imagine all the people...." Most folks don't know this, but Lennon's imagine is a anthem that is based on Marx's Manifesto.
At any rate, I pity anyone trying to hinder this project as well. What amazes me, is that there has been very little interest from the ??mystery, babylon??
Heck even the UEC has been amazingly silent when obvious progress has been made.
Sometimes I wonder about the scenario that Dean McGowan posted when he first showed up. He posted a video about a govt agency hiring scientists to "back engineer" an antigravity device. They showed video of a guy floating around with some odd device on his back. Who proceeded to crash into the ground destroying the device and killing himself.
Well, 6 months later and countless millions, they made one, about as big as a bus and it could only float 1 foot off the ground, but they did it. From nothing more than some scratchy notes, and the books in the "scientist's" home library."
Turns out, the clip they were showed was from some hollywood production. The notes were scribblings of supposed theories of antigravity, and the books were carefully chosen for scientific content that might have something to do with AG.
So yes, we are sleeping either way. Problem is, what is the dream?
--Gn0stik. There's no place like home.
Marco showed a coil with interleaved windings equating to the whole coil pulsing on at once with latent induction happening around the ring. Of course the compass would not spin. The coil produces a bucking center.
I spent 4 days going over the mechanical aspect of this coil step to push a model towards minimal production techniques. Not just electrical. I was very envious of Marco's coil. Now I got one. Now I play.
I spent 4 days going over the electrical and magnetic aspects to see where a fault or progress might be. Danswaay submitted an idea that is very plausible. I went with that because it does fit into the current Marco coil. 100% percent fit. Why? Because this current coil lends itself to this model and can be changed around.
Now We have a platform to try this out. It might be on my desk but it is in use by all who want to contribute. JDO300, Grumpy, Danswaay, Marco, Joe Dirt, Gnosis, Sauron, IS, Lowerance, and all others are welcome to submit. And they have. I appreciate that? No. It is not mine. JDO300 wants to try other tests. He used what I fully documented to see how to produce another coil. I spelled it all out for the benefit of all. I created a test platform.
By building this coil I found out that the coil is to be wound with the sections/bobbins grouped into segments and not interleaved. I am working on that. Why? 'The three-phase polyphase proved to be the most efficient for power transmission and for heavy duty motors. In a three-phase system, the current in each leg is a third of a cycle (120*) removed from the others'. That was my gold nugget. The clues abound for those that seek. Thanks, Marco.
Now this coil is not the last one. But I got it done for $8.00 and 2 hours, past the design time. And that is sweet. I am in the process of building another one. And to those that don't want to build, that is great. Your time is less complicated and you are free to think. Now if your dreams are nightmares then you're in the wrong bed.
So, I fully documented everything not to cause havoc. Others would have been bitching if there was no doco at all. Don't even go there. Kapeesh?
Now another playground has been built to play in. We don't need to throw sand.
As soon I got this finished, others and I were already thinking of upgrades? Isn't that insane? Applying power is not the only way to get results.
Today I go get 10 feet of 4" diam thin wall pvc cut in 1" sections. $8.00 USD.
--giantkiller. Dream, think and be healthy. Geeks rule!
Three phase system......great :)
Pls post GKMTC1 wire connect, if possible. :wink:
Thanks
hi giant i build the last coil to see if i could get the feild to rotate and if i could then i would speed it up to see what changes at what speed/frequency.
like i told you in my coil it seems the segmants are too close to each other and you have spaced them some more so i hope your results are better...
indeed i also think the wires must be not interleaved this is important for the overall pole orientation.
my coil also needs more many more turns.
the next coil will be of similar design only with a few adjustments described above.
for those who cannot see rotation in this setup, i still think the field can have more then two poles the compass needle will simply snap to the next nearest switched pole/segment in one direction.
many tests still to do and i will,
Turbo
No,gnostik,not Karl Marx !
The bonmot "the church is opium for the people" is from Lenin !
Karl Marx was borned as member from the jewish community and later
the family changed the confession.
S
dL
"Religion is the opium of the people" (translated from the German "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes") is one of the most frequently quoted (and sometimes misquoted as "opiate of the people" or "opiate of the masses") statements of Karl Marx, from the introduction of his 1843 work Contribution to Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right.
--giantkiller. Careful...
"Religion is the opium of the people" (translated from the German "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes") is one of the most frequently quoted (and sometimes misquoted as "opiate of the people" or "opiate of the masses") statements of Karl Marx, from the introduction of his 1843 work Contribution to Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right.
Who was it... Lenin or Marx? Or was it opium or opiate? Man my vicodin is making this hard to understand. Who did I misquote? Or did I quote someone correctly, and attribute it to the wrong person?
Ack.
Oh, and GK, I wasn't throwing sand. You took that stuff entirely wrong.
hello all
@gk
what are your thoughts on 1 wire 2 currents 2 dirrections and 2 freqs ? it is bouncing around in my head more and more
is
OK, well I got sick of watching, and I bought three of these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Function-Signal-Generator-0-2Hz-2MHz-VC2002_W0QQitemZ200108844692QQihZ010QQcategoryZ100184QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
.2hz - 2mhz
Should be able to find the three frequencies with these.
Might only need two but why take the chance.
$280 for all three, when I called them and ordered over the phone. Should take 4 days to get here, or so.
Now the problem of space. With my 5 channel scope, and these guys, I need a pretty good amount of space for my lab, and I have NONE. My house is full, and the kids aren't leaving any time soon. Although it is getting close to summer, and I could have them set up shop in the back yard.
Ugh. Roadblocks, roadblocks.
We're looking at a new house right now, and it has more space but it would be a while even in that case before I could really get started.
So my wife has me in the dog house and this won't help. Spent too much money on this stuff she says. Well, hopefully one day it'll save us a few power bills, I says. But the new house has gas appliances she says. Didn't think of that I says.
Cant win for tryin.
Rich
Quote from: gn0stik on May 14, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
OK, well I got sick of watching, and I bought three of these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Function-Signal-Generator-0-2Hz-2MHz-VC2002_W0QQitemZ200108844692QQihZ010QQcategoryZ100184QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
.2hz - 2mhz
Should be able to find the three frequencies with these.
Might only need two but why take the chance.
$280 for all three, when I called them and ordered over the phone. Should take 4 days to get here, or so.
Now the problem of space. With my 5 channel scope, and these guys, I need a pretty good amount of space for my lab, and I have NONE. My house is full, and the kids aren't leaving any time soon. Although it is getting close to summer, and I could have them set up shop in the back yard.
Ugh. Roadblocks, roadblocks.
We're looking at a new house right now, and it has more space but it would be a while even in that case before I could really get started.
So my wife has me in the dog house and this won't help. Spent too much money on this stuff she says. Well, hopefully one day it'll save us a few power bills, I says. But the new house has gas appliances she says. Didn't think of that I says.
Cant win for tryin.
Rich
Rich, all us married guys are in the same rubber life-raft I think... and the wives are circling with hunting knives.... ;D
I've been scouring the web for such a deal that you found, so if my elenco 9600k goes toes up I have a backup...I find the further I return to electronic projects.. the more I wish I got my father's stuff that he had in his lab.... (kicking myself). Thanks for the indirect help!
-rapttor
i asked about crystals a while ago has anyone done any thing with them? do they not flip flop or ossoliate can they not be trigured by a magnet ? im sure that they will find there way sometime to our eapairments or could you not put a pluse into a crystal and it would make an echo of the pluse i know verry little about electronics but im sure that there only a few electroincs involved with the tpu the coil is the biggie and im sure we have all seen many working coils already!! ;) @ rich do you realy think you need those expencive freq generators? i dont think you do but agin i know verry little about electronics
is
IS, probably not in a working TPU but they will be priceless for experimentation. As far as being expensive, I got three decent ones for the price of what one normally costs. And that is shipped. Not to mention they are brand new, no used govt surplus like my scope. I know SM says no mass circuitry, just knowlege of how the coils interact with eachother, but it will be good for research.
Raptor, No problem man, glad to help. Keep your ear to the ground with regards to the wife. No too many late nights "tweaking" as my wife likes to say.
Oh, and for those of you who would like a deal on multimeters. Wall mart has some decent auto ranging ones in the automotive section, little red bugger. Pretty good deal at 25 bucks. That one's courtesy of Cavetronics.
Regards,
Rich
mabe i missed somthing but are our freqs not based on our coil and will a scope not tell you what freq we will need and after we figure out what the freq is for the coil could you not put a crystal to give you 2 freqs? with a 10 hz diffrence between the freqs and when the come togather will the 3rd freq not make the center collector ring? so if you plused the 2 freqs in 1 wire in 2 dirrections it would create a cancled magnetic flux the freqs we put in to our control windings must make them resonate so should our windings control ones should the bucking coils not be tuned diffrently 1 to the first freq and the other to the second freq and those 2 combined freqs should = the collector to make it resonate
but mabe im just thinking too much but i dont think so
is
Quote from: gn0stik on May 14, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
OK, well I got sick of watching, and I bought three of these.
.2hz - 2mhz
Should be able to find the three frequencies with these.
Might only need two but why take the chance.
$280 for all three, when I called them and ordered over the phone. Should take 4 days to get here, or so.
Rich
Why would you buy those expensive SS units while there are a lot cheaper and pherhaps better...... around?
the old stuff is the best stuff.
http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATHKIT-SINE-SQUARE-GENERATOR-MODEL-1G-82-12AX7-TUBE_W0QQitemZ260117921523QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATHKIT-SINE-SQUARE-GENERATOR-MODEL-1G-82-12AX7-TUBE_W0QQitemZ260117921523QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
tubes INCLUDE A 12AX7 SIDE D GETTER ::)
Hi All
I bought 3 of these and they work well.
I'll report more soon!!!
Greaty builds All !!!!
Thanks
Jon
http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H2104.html
Sorry
Another source assembled !!
http://www.tequipment.net/ElencoFG-500.html
@ sauron
it looks kind of big to fit in a tpu ... hehehe
but if we all did our homework we would know IT DOES NOT HAVE TO humm so i will be shoping for a tube shine wave generator and a good scope and after we find the proper freqs to make it all work we could then make a ss unit based on the right freqs for the ring one is working on and put it inside of the ring then guess what you might end up with a tpu that is in the video of sm's hey i dont know mabe im just crazy!! but then agin mabe im not
is
Quote from: Sauron on May 14, 2007, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: gn0stik on May 14, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
OK, well I got sick of watching, and I bought three of these.
.2hz - 2mhz
Should be able to find the three frequencies with these.
Might only need two but why take the chance.
$280 for all three, when I called them and ordered over the phone. Should take 4 days to get here, or so.
Rich
Why would you buy those expensive SS units while there are a lot cheaper and pherhaps better...... around?
the old stuff is the best stuff.
http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATHKIT-SINE-SQUARE-GENERATOR-MODEL-1G-82-12AX7-TUBE_W0QQitemZ260117921523QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATHKIT-SINE-SQUARE-GENERATOR-MODEL-1G-82-12AX7-TUBE_W0QQitemZ260117921523QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
tubes INCLUDE A 12AX7 SIDE D GETTER ::)
Well, Sauron...
I can buy those old units at a local second hand shop if I want them. Also, the thing is about them, is most of them don't work anymore. And even if they do, they come without probes, and good luck finding the old probes to work with them. This guy says he tested his, so it probably works but still.... Not to mention the shipping on these old heavy fragile units is not too cheap either. The unit you show is 13 pounds.
By the way, do you have a bid in on this one? ;)
@ gn0stik
whats the deal with the probs are they special can you not replace the tubes if they are blowen shipping and the generator would probaly still cost you less than you are going to spend on 3 ss units that i think you will have a verry hard time getting them to work for you. will you not? steven said tubes to start with and what if you only need 1 generator?
i watched a verry good video last night here is the link this was posted by another user if anyone has not seen it then i sudjust you watch it much of the video is about the tpu in my opinion so at the end of the vidieo do they not have a tesla coil but without all the work? and the high voltage and did there unit not have much more power hooked up the second way than the first with the same input!! also what were they using for a freq generator? tubes? humm...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
@ grumpy when will you show us your ring im sure you have a working 1 by now am i wrong agin?
is
quote from Letter from SM dated FEb 19, 2006 (From Gn0stick's compilation)
QuoteI told you that the simplest form of over unity is a piece of wire and a voltage source. Anyone can actually connect it and measure. See for yourself the kick. NO coil no xmrs, just a kick. That should tell you learned gentlemen that there exists a form of energy convertible and useable which is directly related to a simple piece of wire and instantaneous electron flow.. (rapidly repeated instantaneous electron flow)No one appears to be willing to get off their asses and do anything except ask and demand more information before they will start to experiment. (Tell me about it ? Gn0stik)
Yes I am disappointed.
QuoteIf you call yourself experimenters then start to experiment. I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second... AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN'T DIFICULT AT ALL.
No, I take that statement back. Actually it is difficult if you refuse to start thinking.
Quote TWO:
QuoteYES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR.(Control coils) THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
Is this rotating field the "oscillation" (or caused by the oscillation) mentioned in the "Tao has the Secret" comments?
Quote from: innovation_station on May 14, 2007, 07:16:42 PM
@ gn0stik
whats the deal with the probs are they special can you not replace the tubes if they are blowen shipping and the generator would probaly still cost you less than you are going to spend on 3 ss units that i think you will have a verry hard time getting them to work for you. will you not? steven said tubes to start with and what if you only need 1 generator?
i watched a verry good video last night here is the link this was posted by another user if anyone has not seen it then i sudjust you watch it much of the video is about the tpu in my opinion so at the end of the vidieo do they not have a tesla coil but without all the work? and the high voltage and did there unit not have much more power hooked up the second way than the first with the same input!! also what were they using for a freq generator? tubes? humm...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
@ grumpy when will you show us your ring im sure you have a working 1 by now am i wrong agin?
is
IS, I also want them for other experiments, not just the TPU. Marco has done some experiments I would like to replicate, and build upon with them. I do agree that SM has suggested tubes and it is a necessary step in the process. I have no problem with experimenting with tube setups. The probe thing that I was talking about is simple. Most electronics testing equipment today use BNC test probes. The older stuff uses a different connector and they are hard to find these days, unless the unit you buy comes with the old probes. Also, I have, as I said seen older units in local second hand shops. The one Sauron posted was a nice one however and did mention specific tubes that are specifically mentioned so there's an added bonus there. I probably would have bought that instead of one of the other ones I bought had I seen it before I bought them.
I would prefer however to build one out of tubes as Vortex, and Mannix did a while back if I could find a good ol tube circuit.
However, I do think the effect can be discovered with units like I have if properly shielded.
In the UEC demo video that shows the SM17 where he Arcs the two leads together and gets a flame discharge he mentions high frequency and shows the TV screen that is running from it as he does this, and shows the interference. It should be possible to cage the frequency gens to shield against this interference if necessary.
Also, back in the day, Mannix suggested we all build max038 gennies which are of course, solid state.
The effect can be found using solid state, but may not be able to be sustained without proper protection, He says in one of the videos "sometimes they wouldn't even start." Or was that a quote from a post. Which tells me that a lot of the time they DID start. So, as I said, keeping an eye out for the effect is the key. Also, my gennies utilize FETS, which are not as slow or suceptible as transistors.
Of course I could be wrong on this, but if I am, I'm no more wrong than everyone else who uses SS function gennies around here. And, they will always resell on ebay for what I got them for, easily.
No big loss.
So I appreciate your concern, but I'm OK with my purchase. It puts me in the game at any rate.
@Grumpy, Hey man, if you could go through my archive there, and post any of the new ones that are missing, I'd appreciate it.
@Mannix, what were the results of your tests with the Tube amp that you built?
Regards,
Rich
i almost find this hard to chew!!!!
how about this
all coils are first built with tubes in a test lab on a bench then once you find the freqs and make the coil work USING TUBES you then go and make the same in solid state for that ring each ring is its own!! does that make sence???
if we remember steven said tubes because they are verry stable easy to work with and donot need to be in the ring like solid state does to function
why do we not see any tubes in the sm units? because he already tested the coil and made it work with tubes now he knows what that coil takes to operate safly and properly and he can now make it work on solid state does that make sence ??
now ask yourself do we use tubes? the answer is yes to test and build the coil. are they in the finished product? no they are not why? because of the high voltage required to operate properly he wanted it to start from a magnet not a big battery so i think the ramp up time is when the squeeze effect or the otto test or the hall effect or what ever you want to call it takes place and builds up the power in the coil to the voltage required by the solid state to make it work!!
but hey im just guessing
is
OK, For crap sakes, I'll buy tooooooooob gennies, when I get more money. LOL. I give!
Uncle! Mercy! you win!
Some days it's just not worth chewing off the leash.
--giantkiller. :D
IS -
I admit that I do not have a working ring. I have some curious things and some things I have not tried yet. Like everyone else, I find myself continually cought up in the "theory" of the device and spend too much time thinking about how it works when I could be at the bench. I wound my first about 12 years ago and the second about a year ago - test units. I ha not heard of SM 12 years ago, but crossed fields and the PX were hot topics. I'm not an EE and the circuits kill me, but I'm an information hound with a wierd sense of intuition that allows me see through the fog.
The XR2206 chip in the 1mhz units that many have purchased can go up to about 10 MHZ - should you desire to go there.
I believe I could get it to work if I could just get off my ass and do it - it's like I'm blocked, just as most are blocked to understanding my ideas. This is what I mean when I say that no one can tell you, you have to see it.
Our direction is clear:
"rapidly repeated instantaneous electron flow" - that's about as good a way to get RE as any other. My translation is rapid unidirectional pulses, since I know that electron flow is not instantanious and that the tempic (torsion or scalar) field begets the electric field and th electric field begets the magnetic field.
All FE that I have ever heard of has been tied to the torsion field - all of it. Sweet's VTA, Grey, Tesla, Bedini, and every other one. Time is not fixed and when it varies - you can get extra energy from it or blow yourself straight to hell.
So, in light of getting off my arse, I wound up a 5lb copper paper weight last Sunday.
100 feet of #14 wrapped around a length of 6" sched 40 PVC. Slid it off and wrapped a pair of 50 foot #14 (taped parallel - what a bitch that was) toroidal wraps over this core. If RE comes out perp to the wire - then I want the collector all around the source to catch it. I can connect the collectors in series of bifilar.
Later this week, I will sweep it at up to 50mhz with the freq syn. Saw wave and square - half wave - positive only - ensure a pause between pulses. If shit ain't happening, I double differentiate to tighten the pulse as tight as a dogs ass sitting on a persimmon. (Will have a cap between the source and the ring - fire extenguisher on the side. ) If I see even a hint of a ringing effect - I clip the damn thing and force a cut off at zero. This is all passive filtering and pretty easy to do. I'm keeping it to low voltage signal so do not expect to start running drills and such.
If there is nothing, then I have to rethink. Might need to apply an oscillating signal to the collector to create a divergence and then the RE will magnify it - hash on DC.
Gradient divergence curl - in that order.
Post a pic later. Just build it!!!
Due to one huge group think the following results were arrived at.
The GK4 exhibits its phenominal effects by executing phase cancellation by mixing different frequencies. This stops the pulse before it gets to the end of the wire at an incredible speed.
So take a 3 segment ring and drive each segment with a different frequency. Can you see the massive phase cancellation going on in the middle collector?
Tubes enable a better level of control due to lower drift. The 555s are sloppy. The drift will cause random stoppage i.e dangerous waves.
The external magfield aligns the electrons and then the excitation can regulate the action of the electron for massive re.
Throw a stone into white water and you still see white water. Throw a stone into calm water and check out the waves.
A big Thank You goes out to Otto, Gnosis, JDO300, Rosphere, Cavetronics and myself included. This was a big hitter. It's out of the park.
--giantkiller. Are we there yet?
QuoteThrow a stone into white water and you still see white water. Throw a stone into calm water and check out the waves.
GK at his best!
~Dan
Hmm
and I thought it was molecular vibration with crossed fields exhibiting excess energy do to the time dilation effect of the torsion field
have to work on my theory...
Tesla measured zero current at the disruptor...because the divergence never curled...
Quote from: Sauron on May 14, 2007, 04:57:54 PM
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tubes INCLUDE A 12AX7 SIDE D GETTER ::)
hi i placed a bid on this, but now i think of it we have a 50Hz 230 volt grid over here.
i don't know if i will be able to use it.
i am looking for some more old tube generators maybe i can use a transformer to feed them :)
Turbo.
Well, I'm broke Marco, or I'd take it off your hands. I blew my load on the others. Also, I still have to get my wife a BDay present soon. So.... Little light on fundage.
But if it pains you, you cans always just ship it to my house.
:)
finaly gk i can say that i think im there
how about 3 6 9 huh!!
now what if 3 segments and every time we pluse 2 of the 3 it makes the collector and the other control ring at the same time so no matter what combonition we use we end up with the same and if all are the same mass they will all ring at the same freq so our controls should be 3 6 or 9 x the collector or mabe 1 of each if you pluse 3 and 6 9 will ring and if you pluse 9 will 3 and 6 ring am i losing it now?? more thoughts tommorow if i dont lose the train along the way
is
Quote from: gn0stik on May 15, 2007, 01:22:40 AM
Well, I'm broke Marco, or I'd take it off your hands. I blew my load on the others. Also, I still have to get my wife a BDay present soon. So.... Little light on fundage.
But if it pains you, you cans always just ship it to my house.
:)
hi Rich do you mean you blew your load on the others or you blew the others on the load?
because that's what i am affraid of when the tpu starts to kick back.
it will blow any properly unprotected piece of SS circuitry into SS heaven...
tubes can handle much more junk currents so i decided to go and follow the REAL road.
Turbo.
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Quote from: giantkiller on May 15, 2007, 12:18:23 AM
Due to one huge group think the following results were arrived at.
The GK4 exhibits its phenominal effects by executing phase cancellation by mixing different frequencies. This stops the pulse before it gets to the end of the wire at an incredible speed.
Tubes enable a better level of control due to lower drift. The 555s are sloppy. The drift will cause random stoppage i.e dangerous waves.
The external magfield aligns the electrons and then the excitation can regulate the action of the electron for massive re.
Throw a stone into white water and you still see white water. Throw a stone into calm water and check out the waves.
A big Thank You goes out to Otto, Gnosis, JDO300, Rosphere, Cavetronics and myself included. This was a big hitter. It's out of the park.
So take a 3 segment ring and drive each segment with a different frequency. Can you see the massive phase cancellation going on in the middle collector?
--giantkiller. Are we there yet?
That was a great session buddy. My juices are flowing like crazy now. I'm a little scared of what will happen if I hook up three SS gennies to a ring though. I guess I'll have time to think about it, as I have to wind one first. So depending on configuration (gk4) style, what we get, is "virtual shorts" which create moments of phase cancellation.
Ok, for those that were not there, just so the coming days do not confuse people as I was this last couple of days, was this.
As you know. GK had a "holy crap" moment with his GK4 a while back and playing with his stun guns. Boys and thier toys. ::)
Anyway, he basically created an EM bomb, rockets fell from the sky, bones vibrated as they reached resonance with his TPU, and he felt the skin effect, on his actual SKIN... Yikes!
So, to break it down, we have to go back a ways. Going back to the source has a tendency to clear the fog a bit. Grumpy, you had a part in this, whether you know it or not. You posted some quotes from SM about a simple piece of wire and a voltage source. Does everyone remember the jumper cable experiment? Take a jumper cable, short the leads at one end, and hook pos up to the battery an tap neg, and watch what happens? Heck, I'm sure everyone here has done it several times. Oooo It jumped. Neato. Right? Well, it is the key. SM said that all he does is this wire and voltage source several thousand times a second. Mini Jumper cable experiments.
So then Cavetronics posted something about shorting the secondary in a transformer and watching the copper kick back. Things started to pop then.
Now go back to where he talks about multiple currents moving in two directions down the same wire, turbo brought this up earlier. We've got polarities moving through those wires with the current don't we? Well what happens when the Positive polarity of one current passes the negative polarity of another current in the SAME WIRE? Virtual short. Just like the jumper cable. However since they are passing charges, it only occurs for an instant in time. Now what are we also doing here? In the process of shorting we're preventing the current from reaching the end of the wire, causing HUGE RE bursts.
So, why tubes? Tubes work in pico seconds, orders of magnitude faster than even the fastest SS devices which work in micro seconds or nano seconds. SM said SS was slow, and they are in comparison. Imagine thousands of these virtual shorts and the resulting energy spikes occuring per second. Now throw those in a field of radiant high frequency interference, and see how fast they work with all that "hash" in the circuit.
Folks who were there, please help me keep inside the lines here, and please fill in any blanks I've missed.
Also, understand, this has not been tested since we had the Eureka moment. GK performed the test months ago, and it scared the pellets out of him, his gk4 has been sitting on the shelf till he could understand what it was.
So, we've thrown our heads together and come up with what seems to make sense in light of what we've seen, and what we know from what people have done here, and SM/Mannix's words.
Mannix, please pass this stuff on for review.
Regards, Rich
Quote from: turbo on May 15, 2007, 01:38:35 AM
Quote from: gn0stik on May 15, 2007, 01:22:40 AM
Well, I'm broke Marco, or I'd take it off your hands. I blew my load on the others. Also, I still have to get my wife a BDay present soon. So.... Little light on fundage.
But if it pains you, you cans always just ship it to my house.
:)
hi Rich do you mean you blew your load on the others or you blew the others on the load?
because that's what i am affraid of when the tpu starts to kick back.
it will blow any properly unprotected piece of SS circuitry into SS heaven...
tubes can handle much more junk currents so i decided to go and follow the REAL road.
Turbo.
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Very nice little pun buddy. I'll have to cage my gennies. However, yes, if you read my last post, you will see that I agree with you that tubes are the way to go.
Regards,
Rich
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Mannix did once say he thought it might be an analogue computer trying to resolve pi.
Hi all:
Well I guess I should step in out of the shadows for a bit. I in the past have so far blown up one scope, two signal gens and a few mosfets. Many things have happened that could have been good or bad. At one point, I found a frequency set (2) that had modulation comming in on it. Later to find it was either radio or TV. Still fun. Have a junk box full of coils of different sizes and configs.
I have just recently bought two new signal gens. I cant take the chance of burning them up too. So it has came to mind to opticly isolate them from the circuit completely. Optic transistors and highly bright led's should do the trick. That way I can supply the fets with what ever voltage I want seperately from the trigger levels of the gens.
Now for the record. I would really like to nail down where you are supposed to inject the signal here???? Seems to be some contention about this. I am seeing GK as using the center wire like the battery cable experiment..... yes no?
sugra
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"Mannix did once say he thought it might be an analogue computer trying to resolve pi. "
and how long for it to take to compute before we would need to restart restart it again.
LoL8
Quote from: sugra on May 15, 2007, 02:30:27 AM
I have just recently bought two new signal gens. I cant take the chance of burning them up too. So it has came to mind to opticly isolate them from the circuit completely. Optic transistors and highly bright led's should do the trick. That way I can supply the fets with what ever voltage I want seperately from the trigger levels of the gens.
I would suggest an HCPL-7840 if you want to galvanic isolate between the generator and mosfet (driver).
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/64644/HP/HCPL-7840.html
It "only" has a 100 kHz bandwidth, but I doubt you'll find any other isolation amplifiers with better specs. (at somewhat affordable prices).
Don't forget to add a bunch of diodes, tranzorbers, etc. to your design - or get 1:100 high voltage probes for your scope.
@Sugra,
LOTR:1:2 post. I posted Otto's jumpers there.
I hope he comes over. That wiring diagram is priceless. The GK4 model has so many inherent safety points imbedded in it from this. The iron wire being one of the most important, and the dynamic impedance shifting the operation in and out of Q. Pure genius. He actually saved my live because I had to push the frequencies to get the TPU to the edge of runaway. It just couldn't get there. Amazing.
If you read past that post you'll see where safety became the very large issue at hand. But Otto kept pushing for copper core.
I also believe the Helmholtz coils opposing and attracting both play an important part. It is so dynamic. This thing rocks to Holy Heaven. It is like the old plate spinning balanced on a stick. Only we are going faster instead of slower. See?
Again Marco: Thanks for the www.powerballs.com (http://www.powerballs.com). That made me dream way far out! Another amazing clue. I see the TPU spinning operation because of that purchase. And it makes it easy to explain to someone how the TPU works.
I will post more through the day as I remember some of the poigniant parts of the previous testing.
I did venture to a plumbing supply store yesterday and bought 10 feet of pvc 4"diam, sched 27-29 thinwall. They even cut it for in 1" sections. Price? $8.00USD!
I could use the same saw to put the slots in. Now I must go get a 12" ceramic disc blade for my radial arm saw. 12 cuts.
--giantkiller. Another great step.
Hello All,
It has been a while since I have posted so I thought I would give you all an update on my progress. Despite my silence, I have been very busy researching and doing experiments. Lately, I did one with an interesting coil design that I thought you all should know about. This experiment was prompted by an earlier post by Myself that I never tried, and also a recent post from Dan about the bucking Helmholtz coils. My goal in this simple test was to see which arrangement of the Helmholtz coils would give the best results when the DC fields are agitated. I have posted photos of both the coil and some (unfortunately fuzzyish) scope shots of the output waveform.
Before I go into the description of the test, here is an earlier image I posted showing the concept I wanted to test:
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Now our ideas differ a bit because my goal was to use the iron conductor to store the magnetic energy from the field between the two wires and release it back into the wire once the current was shut off. However, dan's idea is to produce the same field but oscillate it quickly at RF frequencies to create induction on the middle wire.
So what I did was take two empty toilet paper rolls and tape them together to make a core. Then I wound some of the red 18 gauge speaker wire (you can get it from WAL-MART in 100 ft rolls) on the core, about 40 turns total. Next, I took some 22 gauge magnet wire (the kind you can get from RadioShack in the three-packs of magnet wire) and I wound that stuff in the gap between the two speaker wire conductors, just like in the picture.
I did several tests with this coil to determine weather opposing currents in the wire (to make the radial field) or parallel currents would do the job.
For my first test, I connected both of the speaker wire conductors in parallel and tied one end to the positive voltage from my DC power supply (set on about 10V). The other end of the two conductors were tied together and connected to the drain of my MOSFET (IRF840), which would ground the coil back to the power supply when it switched on. I should also mention that I put a large cap (10,000 uF, 25V) in parallel with the power supply to get it a little more kick when the MOSFET was turned on.
To measure the output, I put a 2 KOhm resistor in series with the 22 gauge wire coil and scoped across that. (In this test, the 22 gauge coil acted as my center collector coil and the speaker wire conductors functioned as the top and bottom helmholtz)
For all of my tests, I used a single switching frequency of 10 kHz.
My thought was that if Dan's idea was correct, I would see the most voltage on the coil when the speaker wire conductors are wired with opposite current flows going through them, and I would see the least amount when the currents are flowing in parallel. What resulted was quite the opposite though.
With the wires pulsed in parallel, I got these massive 120V spikes on the small conductor! But it gets better, I then wired the two conductors in series (+ in one conductor, and then take the other end of the same conductor and connect it to the beginning of the coil on the other conductor). Since there were 40 turns of wire on the coil, there would be a slight phase shift in the pulses between the two conductors. This resulted in a 13V increase on my output waveform!
I should also mention that my power supply is current limited at 0.5A and it was drawing the full amount with the wires in parallel. But with the wires in series, there was more resistance; the power supply drew less current and I got more voltage in return.
Sooo surely if I got such a great increase in output for a slight phase shift, it must work AWESOME if I have the currents phase shifted by 180 degrees right??
Nope.
When I had the coils connected opposite each other, I got a big fat nothing on the output! This completely contradicted what I was expecting to see!
When I had the setup wired in parallel, these pulses were extremely thin in width. With my scope, I measured the pulse width to be 800 ns. I didn't measure the rise and fall times but I am certain they had to be down in the 10s of ns.
I don't think that what I was seeing was regular induction though. Because I only got the large spikes on the coil when the MOSFET disconnected the ground from the speaker wire coil.
I did not get a large spike when the current was first turned on. This seems to be contradictory to what Mr. Mark was saying, but if you think about it, you can create a radiant energy event on both the rising and falling edge of the pulse.... More to come.
So my conclusion, based on this test, is that a DC field in attraction is what we want. If we use the control coils to agitate/swirl the DC field, we can produce many voltage spikes on the center collector. Take three frequencies and mix them so that they produce lots of harmonics, and you will multiply the kicks that show up on the collector.
God Bless,
Jason O
Has anyone ever found any account of RE manifesting without a capacitor present?
I have not found even one. The two accounts that were documented before Tesla's work both depicted a capacitor across a spark gap. (Free Energy Secrets...book) Tesla used a capacitor between the generator and the disruptor. Bedini = capacitor. Edwin Gray = capacitor.
I think this is of great significance.
:)
From these humble beginings...
I promised myself a TPU array.
--giantkiller. OverUnity Engineer. Your world is about to change.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 15, 2007, 01:22:58 PM
Has anyone ever found any account of RE manifesting without a capacitor present?
I have not found even one. The two accounts that were documented before Tesla's work both depicted a capacitor across a spark gap. (Free Energy Secrets...book) Tesla used a capacitor between the generator and the disruptor. Bedini = capacitor. Edwin Gray = capacitor.
I think this is of great significance.
Gary Vassilato's accounts of Tesla's first discovery of RE was just closing a switch and noticing huge scalar potentials that killed people, no Caps involved.
FE secrets although a book full of great thought, is ultimately a "on the shoulders of giants" book, so to speak. Very good read, but much of it should not be taken as factual. You have to know Peter to know why. That is all I will say on this. If you want more credible and complete source of info on this, go to where Peter got it. Bearden, the study of Gray, and Moray, Sweet, and of course John. John utilizes a few circuits that have no caps, if I remember correctly. One of his original window motor designs for sure.
However, Radiant does do a good job of converting inside a cap or battery. From what I've read of John and Bearden, it seems to cause a cascade effect inside the electrolyte in which electrons become more ordered and hence more potential is created as this radiant scalar field passes throught the battery, or cap. People who have charged batteries this way note that they last much longer when charged with some kind of radiant method than with conventional methods. And one can restore a completely dead and useless battery with these methods. John has one window motor, the eight ball one, which runs off of rusty, dingy 15 year old C cell batteries.
GK, dangling carrots again? Or are you just excited? I know I am.
Joe, Mag amps? Very good line of research. I'm almost more impressed by that than the fact that you have a triode laying around. LOL.
Rich.
I was refering to the two instances of similar effects that Tesla found - the discharging Leyden jar that magnetized objects a floor below and the Rhomkorff coil connected to a water pipe and a metal table that charged all of the insulated metal objects in the building and maintained the arcs pulled off them while the device was running. These accounts have been mentioned in other texts, so may lack Peter's twist to them.
Back to the cave...
Oh right! I completely missed the reference. My bad. Perhaps what is important is the instantaneous discharge of huge potentials. And yes other texts mention this as well. Vassilatos talks about many different ways he acheieved these effects, playing with spark gaps and magnets, flame and spark gaps, etc. Tao talks about this as well. The thing that interests me the most about it, is that at different pulse widths, different effects became evident. The stinging sensation, charging of insultated metals, magnetisation, moving of metal objects, and with all of it, the extreme difficulty in shielding. So, torsion fields behave differently at different pulse widths. There is a frequency spectrum, just as there is with light, and sound. Of course, Tesla was working with massive amounts of power, stuff that would scare the life out of me to play with.
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Quote from: innovation_station on May 14, 2007, 07:16:42 PM
@ gn0stik
whats the deal with the probs are they special can you not replace the tubes if they are blowen shipping and the generator would probaly still cost you less than you are going to spend on 3 ss units that i think you will have a verry hard time getting them to work for you. will you not? steven said tubes to start with and what if you only need 1 generator?
Have you seen a SM video with a TPU which uses tubes?
Have you built a tube based circuit before? Let me tell you, it's a royal pain in the A$$!
The cost of solid state electronics and their accuracy cannot be beat. I'm not talking, 555's I'm talking microcontrollers. This is why the entire world runs on solid state silicon based technology. On top of that, the cost of tubes are 5-10 times the cost of solid state electronic components.
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Also, back in the day, Mannix suggested we all build max038 gennies which are of course, solid state.
The effect can be found using solid state, but may not be able to be sustained without proper protection, He says in one of the videos "sometimes they wouldn't even start." Or was that a quote from a post.
@Mannix, what were the results of your tests with the Tube amp that you built?
Regards,
Rich
If this thing is going to work, it's going to be on solid state electronic devices. Don't worry about the tubes Gn0stik, leave them for the others who have more time and money to put down the drain.
I'm now putting out a $500.00 reward for anyone who gets a TPU to work on tubes and yet cannot get the same TPU to work on Solid state electronics. And when I say work, I mean 50+ watts output on the collector and half or less input power to the control coils (25 watts or less).
Hello All,
After getting the positive results with my trifilar coil test, I have started on my Helmholtz, bobbin TPU test stand. I will be taking Grumpy's suggestion and will wind 200ft of 30 gauge wire for each control coil. Conveniently enough, the 30 gauge spools of mag wire you get from RadioShack happen to have 200 ft of wire on them. So, I'll just use three of those for the three control coils. For my center collector, I'll use segments of speaker wire (the same red stuff I used for the last coil). More to come :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Dude! That is TPU LEGOS!
I hope that isn't a patent infringment.
--giantkiller.
@unclefester
if it runs on tubes you can make it run on ss it will be a lot easyer to make it work with tubes because you can use a tube generator for many rings and a scope to what happins when you hit the right freqs after you find out what the #'s are for the ring you can then build a simple cricuit that only produces the freqs you need for that ring thats what i see any way take what i say as you wish
just my thoughts thought i might share
is
3 freq's, 1 per ring (collector) to make the current flow so it can be amplified - took a long time to understand this and I'm still not convinced this is all.
SM also stated that you could use the same freq or different freqs.
Comparing outer wrap to segments = air-core induction coil. Coincidence?
JDO300 - 200ft - yeah baby! Now try the rest of what the message laid out. High freq pulses, no ring, no return current.
Back to the cave...
Hey Grumpy,
Yeap 200 ft for each coil! I did some calcs and determined that I would have to wrap 100 turns in each slot to fit all that wire into the 8 slots for just one control coil!. I also agree with you about the high frequency pulse.
I believe that I have found the ultimate TPU pulse circuit! It?s called a blocking oscillator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_oscillator
This is the simplest pulse circuit I have ever seen! Only four components for this thing! And the best part is that it is specifically designed to make very short, high voltage, pulses, which is what we need! All you need is a center-tapped transformer, cap, transistor, and pot to adjust the frequency! I?m still playing around with this circuit to get it to run. The beauty of this is that we don?t need a function generator at all! We simply tweak the pot and the cap on the transistor to adjust the frequency range. But wait, there?s more! This circuit can easily be adapted to use tubes! After doing some reading on the oscillator, I found out that it was commonly used in the old tube TVs to control the vertical and horizontal retrace speeds for the screen! Makes me think more about the exploding TV example? What would happen if we have two frequencies in the TV along with the DC field from the yoke and something happens and one of those tubes makes one two many harmonics?.. BOOM!!
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: UncleFester on May 15, 2007, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: gn0stik on May 14, 2007, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on May 14, 2007, 07:16:42 PM
@ gn0stik
whats the deal with the probs are they special can you not replace the tubes if they are blowen shipping and the generator would probaly still cost you less than you are going to spend on 3 ss units that i think you will have a verry hard time getting them to work for you. will you not? steven said tubes to start with and what if you only need 1 generator?
Have you seen a SM video with a TPU which uses tubes?
Have you built a tube based circuit before? Let me tell you, it's a royal pain in the A$$!
The cost of solid state electronics and their accuracy cannot be beat. I'm not talking, 555's I'm talking microcontrollers. This is why the entire world runs on solid state silicon based technology. On top of that, the cost of tubes are 5-10 times the cost of solid state electronic components.
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Also, back in the day, Mannix suggested we all build max038 gennies which are of course, solid state.
The effect can be found using solid state, but may not be able to be sustained without proper protection, He says in one of the videos "sometimes they wouldn't even start." Or was that a quote from a post.
@Mannix, what were the results of your tests with the Tube amp that you built?
Regards,
Rich
If this thing is going to work, it's going to be on solid state electronic devices. Don't worry about the tubes Gn0stik, leave them for the others who have more time and money to put down the drain.
I'm now putting out a $500.00 reward for anyone who gets a TPU to work on tubes and yet cannot get the same TPU to work on Solid state electronics. And when I say work, I mean 50+ watts output on the collector and half or less input power to the control coils (25 watts or less).
12ax7 tube amp build instructions
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_6/chpt_5/19.html
Feed this with my fucntion gen, best of both worlds, and looks pretty brain dead easy to boot.
Just sayin...
Rich
AND if it doesnt work I can plug my git into it. Or my daughter's bass.
So no big loss that way either.
What I'd really like is a triple head square wave gen like vortex built. I don't think I'm quite at that level though.
Rich
From Wiki
Some cameras use a blocking oscillator to strobe the flash prior to a shot to reduce the phenomenon of red-eye.
Give anyone an idea? remind anyone of Gk's stungun?
I've had red eye for months over the stungun test into GK4. Yes, the blocking oscillator is not new. The stungun circuit i posted is a blocking oscillator with an on board sparkgap as an energy transmission step. After reading the circuit diags and seeing sparkgaps in other men's circuits I realized the stun gun people have no idea of Radiant energy. By putting the ezflow on the output probes i actually extended the range of the radiant energy tranmission to a more destructive level of emmision. All from a little tickling oscillator. The stun gun actually has steel cores in the last coil to limit the radiant emmisions. By putting the ezflow on the end you bypass this dampening. I believe I am on Tesla's coat tails here and have been for months.
I already applied this to the coils and saw a whole bunch of stuff. I did not post the half of the results because of the terrorist implications.
Gnosis posted that there was alot of excitement over my Turbo coil reproduction but no electrical tests. The results were back in Jan 3-2007 when I got the physical damage from close proximity to the coil. Not everything is as it seems. I have been holding out.
I never claimed to find anything new and I never claimed to be the first. I only followed the clues, instructions and directions from the topdogs of this adventure. I repeatedly have stressed safety and showed unsafe results.
I now know why the secrecy abounds. For safety. But in the same vein when I found out something I got excited and ran to the end of my leash only to get yanked back into the reality of group think. I could not nor can I devulge these things.
So keep your pride and exhuberance at an even keal because the one next step you make could put you or others in danger. The dangerous exhibitions I executed months ago are waiting on the shelf to be turned into products. I stressed months ago that the Tesla coil is an advanced stun gun ckt. The TPU is also and advanced stungun ckt. Refer back to the ezflow experiment.
I speak these words in truth. The cat is now out of the bag with Ottos jumpering on the GK4. Phase cancellation has been happening all along. This was the one step that now answers alot of the questions and mystery. After the GK4 tests were posted all the topdogs were on me immediately. And I mean 'everybody'! Otto was the only one to tell to 'Not use Iron'. There is a clue. Now this step has all copper collectors. Shit, somebody is going to get hurt. How are you going to explain to the authorities about your current accident where the flesh has been completely blow off the bones of one of your lower arms or a hand is missing? Don't laugh. We have all seen the popcan exploding. You could reach into the ring to move a neomag and Bam! You just lost 2 fingers! Moab had to go to the hospital for burns. How would you like to see a plasma ball disappear into your arm only to burn you from the inside out? What about the kids and pets watching the little blueish fairies flying around the room?
Also there have been posts in the past about me babbling, incorrect sentences, missing words, un connected thoughts, totally comical retorts. I tell you this now, that at the time I could not begin to explain in detail now nor will I about the major results or fears of what I found. In this project all my dreams and nightmares have come true.
Heed this warning...
--giantkiller. I am as sane as ever, just more cautious.
@ moab i realy like that hehehe
seams pretty small works from a low voltage source i will have to get me one of those throw away cams and play around
@gk thank you
as all can see i wanted to know all aspacts of the unit b4 i could have got hurt i built rings i hooked up only my first ring wich was turbos rind plused with my lite puter had a gold ring on my finger and playing around with that simple ring my whole arm went numb in 2 min or so after that i told myself i would not pluse any more rings till i have my tools 5 weeks and the count down is on but i figure it was best to learn all you can b4 u get hurt playing so that is what im still doing and in coming up with some of my own inventions i learned that the best way to figure things out is to talk about them with as many thinkers as posible and discover the way of the invention i still dont think im ready to build and operate a tpu i must understand all about it b4 i play with it
is
Quote from: giantkiller on May 16, 2007, 11:30:19 AM
I have been holding out.
I think everyone does this to some degree.
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I don't believe that the effect is "uncontrollable", and with further understanding, it can be harnessed just like all sources of energy before it. Look at nuclear power, or even wind an water power - all have dangers.
Your stun gun is probably in the khz range - convert this to pulse wdth and you have:(based on speed of light in vacuum)
1 KHZ = 1 millisecond
10 KHZ = 100 microseconds
1 MHZ = 1 microsecond
Per Tesla:
- impulses exeeding 0.1 millisecond duration: produced pain and mechanical pressures, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along, Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor.
(0.1 ms) 100 microseconds or less: Pain and physical movements ceased
1.0 microsecond duration: strong physiological heat was sensed.
Now, logic dictates that you want to stay far above the low KHZ frequencies and possibly above 1MHZ if heat is not desired. Also, since all of the effects have not been documented - others may be encountered.
(SM mentioned that he was eventually able to create thousand of kicks per second - hmm - sounds like KHZ range.
GK - did you see some of the effects listed for "0.1 millisecond duration"?EDIT - Lenz's law is a "magnetic field phenomenon". Without it, we would have electric fields propagating and magnifying out of control.
So, by eleminating curent and it's magnetic field - we eleminate Lenz's law, and with out that element of control...
@Grumpy,
The frequency range was 2 hz to 900khz. Even though the 555 and ring controller doesn't go to 1mhz, the 3 square waves with phase cancellation would be higher. Much higher.
And here is the open pit of grandure: The voltage, current, frequencies, the wattage, the temperature at any part of the TPU, the vibrations, the coil screaming, the neos vibrating, the scope shots were not in any pattern of alignment or compliance with the output of effects I was feeling, seeing, or measuring. Everything seem to be independant although I made adjustments to try to find them. It could've been the damaging effects were subliminally effecting my judgements. Later, Moab had mentioned that certain frequencies can be used in crowd control devices. I sure controlled myself then didn't I? What I had mentioned in the last conference was the sloppy effects of the cheap trimpots and the 555 drift actually added tremendously to the output effectiveness. This equates to terribly even faster rise and fall times with incredibly short on times and increasing the phase shifting and cancellation. And by adding better potentiometers I actually lessened the effectiveness. Effectiveness? What a strange way to label chaotic damage...
I posted that earlier to squelch any headlong rush in competitional damage or prideful abominations.
I have since removed Otto's jumpering from the GK4 and not turned it on since March 2007. My daughter is pregnant and I am executing extreme caution.
--giantkiller. So there you have it. It doesn't get any prettier. Be safe.
Depending on the rates of change of the signals - i.e. rising or falling, and the moment of coincidence, you can get some pretty quick changes in the fields that you would not normaly obtain with slow frequencies. I posted a nice animated link showing two waves colliding several months ago.
You are still limited by the above and, that being the case, there is more than one way to skin this cat and if you can get there with a better signal source, I would think it would be more controllable than monster mashing signals.
The one big question is: did you get usable power out of the collector?
Don't scap pile that coil yet.
Do you have anything faster than 1 MHZ (or 1 microsecond) on hand to test with?
Quote from: Grumpy on May 16, 2007, 03:18:38 PM
Depending on the rates of change of the signals - i.e. rising or falling, and the moment of coincidence, you can get some pretty quick changes in the fields that you would not normaly obtain with slow frequencies. I posted a nice animated link showing two waves colliding several months ago.
You are still limited by the above and, that being the case, there is more than one way to skin this cat and if you can get there with a better signal source, I would think it would be more controllable than monster mashing signals.
The one big question is: did you get usable power out of the collector?
Don't scap pile that coil yet.
Do you have anything faster than 1 MHZ (or 1 microsecond) on hand to test with?
I did not try to get power at that stage. It's too early. Like Einstein said 'It's not the nuclear explosion but the return signal that is phenominally stronger'.
I mounted the GK4 on the preverbial wall. I won't let that rhino charge around the house nare too soon.
I don't have a higher genny. I could phase cancel 500khz, 600khz, 700khz signals to go
higher in a more controlled scenario. Marco's latest coil I duped is my next test. With the smaller 30awg copper collectors I will be able to test more knowing that this unit is fusible. I have that faraday cage for containment also. I live by that. The GKMTC1 has a higher count of 30awg and should display different effects from the higher frequencies.
--giantkiller.
Guess I'm the only one heading down high-freq road.
Might look at a freq multipliers:
http://www.wenzel.com/pdffiles1/pdfs/hcmos.pdf
and/or Tesla method of magnetic quenching...
By crisscrossing 2 or 3 Tesla coil eminations, phase cancellation is what John Hutchison is exhibiting.
Damn, he's got to be in the terahertz!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_radiation
--giantkiller. I always wanted to know.
Update:
Just finished winding the center collector coil. It is composed of two parallel turns of speaker wire on the core. This gives me eight individual multi-stranded wires to mix and match later. I will be starting on the control coils next tonight.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: innovation_station on May 15, 2007, 11:12:48 PM
@unclefester
if it runs on tubes you can make it run on ss it will be a lot easyer to make it work with tubes because you can use a tube generator for many rings and a scope to what happins when you hit the right freqs after you find out what the #'s are for the ring you can then build a simple cricuit that only produces the freqs you need for that ring thats what i see any way take what i say as you wish
just my thoughts thought i might share
is
No. What you need is three independent but syncronized pulse generators. This way you can phase control the final signal and end up finding the correct tuning very quickly. With a tube circuit run by three separate function gens you cannot delay pauses and phase control the output signal to the control coils. This is KEY and what SM was talking about.
Adding tube circuitry only complicates the process and adds one more item to be played with. Now, if you are using them solely for gaining higher voltage range than Mosfets can deliver then ok, no prob, use tubes. But they are not a panacea. They are great for switching multi-kilovolts @ multi-kiloamps, and guitar amplifiers. But we aren't crushing cans or shrinking quarters here, nor are we trying to amplify music. We are simply pumping coils with a square waves and need VERY precisely controlled timing. They are however very wasteful of energy in the process and if you are close to overunity you probably wont see it because the input power will be much higher with tubes.
The real discussion here should be about precise pulse generation circuits with a very high degree of variability and linked for phase control of three different frequencies. Use whatever you like, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from playing with tubes, but if you want to make this thing work at the control of a simple potentiometer then microcontrollers and similar circuitry are what you need.
Either way, you'll see very soon ;)
:)
A ring modulator accepts two inputs and produces the sum and difference frequencies of them.
For example, if two sine waves of 100 and 150 cycles are present at the inputs,
the output will consist of two frequencies 50 cycles (150 minus 100) and 250 cycles (150 plus 100).
Waves with many partials, such as rectangular or sawtooth waves, create very complex output signals.
Ring modulators offer a convenient way to create metallic sounds, bells and klangs.
They have been widely used in the creation of electronic music.
This Ring Modulator design is very old and unique.
It requires no external power.
http://www.synthfool.com/ringmod.html
Quote Of UncleFester:
"But we aren't crushing cans or shrinking quarters here, nor are we trying to amplify music. We are simply pumping coils with a square waves and need VERY precisely controlled timing."
"nor are we trying to amplify music." hmmm... I wonder..
SM's Words:
"Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with. Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose. Much faster all around."
And:
"I have designed some Amps using MOSFET, etc. Which sound very much like tube amps. However when I want to design a new AMP, I always start with tube and then move on the MOSFETS..."
And:
"lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers (collectors) to my AMPLIFIER. You should hear my new amplifier I have made."
AND:
"MOSFETS are better you if you wanted to make an amplifier that BEHAVED like a tube Amp but in a smaller size.
I know every one here knows all of this, but just thought I would throw a friendly reminder to those who may not. ;)
To SM, modern King of electrons,
Bruce
Quote from: btentzer on May 16, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
Quote Of UncleFester:
"But we aren't crushing cans or shrinking quarters here, nor are we trying to amplify music. We are simply pumping coils with a square waves and need VERY precisely controlled timing."
"nor are we trying to amplify music." hmmm... I wonder..
SM's Words:
"Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with. Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose. Much faster all around."
And:
"I have designed some Amps using MOSFET, etc. Which sound very much like tube amps. However when I want to design a new AMP, I always start with tube and then move on the MOSFETS..."
Woohoo! Musical TPU's! LOL! If only it were as easy as playing a little mozart through a tube amp into a control coil and getting massive power out the other side. Man, that would be sweet!
P.S. I'm starting to believe that SM had little to do with inventing this device and rather some heavy hitter engineers were probably involved. Maybe he was more part of the marketing of the device and knew enough to show it and explain parts of it? Who knows, whatever the case, we are still missing a major amount of details......
Thank you all.
:)
Even with three freq's mixing and mashing - the result will be a lower rise/fall time than Tesla specified. I'll start at 2mhz rather than 0. Everyone has beaten the lower freqs to death with spooky results. Dave Lowrance indicated that 5MHZ may be a good freq, so I will start just below this. I sure as hell ain't firing that damn thing up tonight. 50 MHZ double differentiated is one hell of a tight spike.
Guys on a budjet, I suggest you look at multivibrators and other HF oscillators, pulse generator circuits, or Ebay.
Also working on a circuit for "Dirac's Delta Function" 2ns rise time - just have to clip blurp of imperfect diode to zero and release the hounds...
Alas, I also have a simple idea for current blocking that I need to check out - variation of Tesla magnetic quenching arrangement.
The horses are out of the gate and the next leg of the race has begun.
Thanks for listening to my concerns. I feel the right amount of concerns and controls are in place for all of us to progress safely.
Turbo's 3 intercoupled 555 ckt is a good start. Add Grumpy's frequency multiplier stage and the costs will be way down with far reaching results. I will re-assemble my controller to match that to the GKMTC1 3 segment ring. I should be good to go.
And do not use cheap pc board mount potentiometers! They bounce.
--giantkiller. It is a new and better day, after all.
I have gleaned out the most pertainent posts that have struck me to produce to most linear thought process to design. Short pulses(phase cancellation) to Radiant energy stand out the most. All the short posts add up to one big banger. The surrounding posts of each of these substantiate each one.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30680.html#msg30680
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30685.html#msg30685
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30717.html#msg30717
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30769.html#msg30769
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30803.html#msg30803
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30873.html#msg30873
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30878.html#msg30878
And the coup de gras is http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30915.html#msg30915
'Worst case' = GK4 operation!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30943.html#msg30943
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30952.html#msg30952
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg30968.html#msg30968
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31072.html#msg31072
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31186.html#msg31186
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31327.html#msg31327
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31426.html#msg31426
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31538.html#msg31538
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31541.html#msg31541
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31546.html#msg31546
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31552.html#msg31552
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31604.html#msg31604
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31664.html#msg31664
And then from there to the current post.
The next trend has taken hold. Most of the previous tangents have subsided.
--giantkiller.
Been saying impulses for a year now.
Just scored another 50 MHZ source - time to take the gloves off...
Working on some spark gap ideas too.
Hello All,
Finally finished my new jewel. Now it's off to work on my 6au6-powered pulse oscillator circuit. ~25MHz bandwidth for these tubes with a super fast rise time. Add to that the 250V swing at that rate and you have a recipe for success :).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jdo300 .. your tpu looks pretty heavy .. say 20lbs?
devilzangel
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Hi devilzangel,
Actually, this TPU weighs right around one pound :). The PVC cuplink I used as the core is 5 inches in diameter and 1.75 inches tall.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 18, 2007, 12:11:51 AM
Hi devilzangel,
Actually, this TPU weighs right around one pound :). The PVC cuplink I used as the core is 5 inches in diameter and 1.75 inches tall.
God Bless,
Jason O
:o .. wow .. ok thats good
devilzangel
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i would like to take this time to STRESS that microwaves can and rise in the TPU it would be wise to buy a little microwave "leakage" meter... people messing with things i do hope you keep in mind that you are putting your self and others in the fields of fire,
be safe and dont just think well im not going to put to much power or let it get over powered be cause sometimes the cut off switch may not work and it can rise off the scope and you can be messing up your DNA RNA copy rewright of life not to say it can burn you badly and fry your friends near by , or even a far ... this group is on the verge of some exciting things and i would hate to see these things happing because of wanting to see and get it working.. i my self have had my share of things go wrong . so please do be ever so carefull in your makings.
P.S. dont think im kidding here one little bit , will be your last bite!!!
Thanks
Brian D. Prater
Cavetronics R&D Labs
"The following will be a discussion of the mutagenic properties of ionizing radiation on DNA, and the types of mechanisms that are employed to counter the resulting damage.
Ionizing radiation entails any type of radiation (particle or electromagnetic) capable of ejecting electrons from an atom or molecule. In the electromagnetic spectrum: gamma, x-rays, ultraviolet, and even visible light are considered ionizing. Of particular concern to humans, are photons of ultraviolet frequencies and higher. The energies associated with these photons are great enough to induce tissue damage, modification to DNA, and consequently carcinogenesis. Excessive exposure to ultraviolet radiation results in the formation of pyrimidine dimers (abnormal cross-linking between adjacent nucleotides), and skin cancers. For electromagnetic radiation, frequency is directly proportional to the energy of a photon, and, in general, the higher the energy, the more deleterious the effects are on the human body. "
just in case some one thought i was jokin
Thanks , im done harpping now
Brian D. Prater
Microwaves are non-ionizing - not saying they are not harmful.
Side note:
Otto mentioned in another thread that he is lighting a 60W bulb and has a "tornado" above his TPU which he has measured to be over 50cm.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,133.msg31863.html#msg31863
I am going to use this post to throw the hammer down.
Insight #1. Most of you are doing these coils in their home. Right?
Warning: There are other people around. They will be your victims.
Insight #2. The threads have taken a very far leap in high frequency generation and power composition.
Warning: Like the GK4, many open face microwaves will be turned on shortly. There are other people around. They will be your victims.
Insight #3: Eagerness abounds. Unabated delivery is inevitable.
Warning: There are other people around. They will be your victims.
Insight #4: Hutchinson altered matter at the field edge where the most multifield interference occurs. Harmonics, Pico & terahertz phase cancellation.
Warning: There are other people around. They will be your victims. I posted this warning months ago. Heed this warning.
Insight #5: Amazing amounts of power are accessible.
Warning: Until you get to controlled power out you have a runaway bomb. And you won't even know it.
Insight #6: I hurt myself Jan 03 2007 in my head and my arm.
Warning: When I grabbed the coil with my right hand I had a clicking in my right elbow and a severe headache in my right frontal lobe. My guitar picked up the field edge at the same distance.These effects happened equadistant from the coil center! Do you see this? Do you understand this? You better!
Insight #7: I have been in conferences where external living beings have just barged into the coil environment asking for things, wanting to be fed, wanting to be petted.
Warning: They will be your victims. Can you say 'Negligent Homicide'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter#Criminal_negligence . How about 'Phasers set To kill'? Or 'Shields up'!
Now lets go tangent.
In UFO movies the occupants are safely in the center and the witnesses outside get burned.
In the movie 'Contact' Jodee was in the center. Those outside saw no real anomalies. But the field lit up.
In the movie 'Philadelphia experiment' Kurt was in the center of the field. What ever was at the edge of the field got altered.
In John Hutchinson's experiments anything at the edge of the fields get altered. Can you say 'Unidentifiable matter'?
I have not been wrong yet. Don't make me right again!
I won't say 'Be careful'. You won't even know. :'(
Now I must go and ponder the fate of mankind...
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Let's hear it again....QuoteI would like to carefully give the idea of the operating characteristics of my devices.
Listen to what I say here......
I am going to state just characteristics.
I don't want people to get over excited and start arguing again too much.
My units behave exactly like common radios in one way.
With a radio you have many different stations broadcasting at different frequencies.
Yes I know about the difference between Frequency Modulation and Amplitude Modulation, etc.
That is not relevant for our conversation here.
You tune your radio to the station you desire and the closer you tune to the ideal frequency the stronger the amplification of the signal will be and the better the radio will collect and amplify the signals for their entertainment value.
If the radio signal is too strong the radio receiver might be overloaded and distortion or other bad effects will take place. By tuning slightly off frequency we can weaken the signal the radio is receiving and amplify and produce the sound for entertainment purposes.
However, the music will not be of high quality.
The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc.
OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like....
Tesla Coil Radio - A Radio TRASNMITTER:QuoteWhat is a Tesla Coil?
The Tesla Coil is an air-core transformer with primary and secondary coils tuned to resonate. The primary and secondary coils function as a step-up transformer which converts relatively low current at high frequencies.
The Tesla Coil demonstrates the fundamental principles of high frequency electrical phenomena. It illustrates the principles of the ionization of gases and the behavior of insulators and conductors when in contact with high frequency electrical fields.
As conceived by the inventor Nikola Tesla, the Tesla Coil was developed to transmit electrical power without wires. An antenna would be constructed to pull the transmitted electrical energy into the electrical system. The Tesla Coil can be considered a simple radio transmitter, operating within a broad range of high frequencies, which transmits power rather than information.
Now, what if you have a "collector core" or tuned antenna in the middle of the "secondary coil" of a tesla coil?
~Dan
Dan,
Looks like Tesla's patent 568178
A man of humble birth, who has risen almost before he reached the fullness of manhood to a place in the first rank of the world's great scientists and discoverers -- Nikola Tesla. Tesla. Master of lightning.
--giantkiller. I am honored to follow this persons achievements. As we all should be.
@ Jason O
did you made your ring using 5" end caps with top cut off?
wer
hi gk
great work but now is not the time to go holey
i and others understand what you say but we as the human race need this
techknoledge. i for one will take precaution when building this thing.
is the first tpu from page one and post 2 still good to work with or do we
need to use your new tpu?
thanks
wer
Quote from: weri812 on May 18, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
@ Jason O
did you made your ring using 5" end caps with top cut off?
wer
Hi Wer,
No, the core is simply a 5" PVC cuplink, the kind you use the connect pipes together end to end. I simply took a cuplink and cut it in half, then I cut the slots in it for the coils to go in.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: weri812 on May 18, 2007, 09:53:12 PM
hi gk
great work but now is not the time to go holey
i and others understand what you say but we as the human race need this
techknoledge. i for one will take precaution when building this thing.
is the first tpu from page one and post 2 still good to work with or do we
need to use your new tpu?
thanks
wer
The bucking coil 390721 only rocks back and forth pulling the compass needle up or pushing it down. It does not rotate the compass. Although it is very dangerous! This new coil follows some previously stated options. That is 3 segments fired in sequence. With the config one can use 1 freq or 3 freqs 1 to each segment. The 30awg controllers do produce results anyway and are easily driven. The helmholtzs can be powered by DC or pulsed in attraction or opposition. Why all the options? Because the different aspects of this coil have shown proofs in previous experiments by a number of us. And my favorite option is: total configurability within the overall mechanical design.
The GK4 was a mix of my choices and Ottos jumpers. Pretty simple and a stroke of luck with all the choices that could have been made at the time. It all fell into place at the right time. Isn't that how treasures are found?
At this time I do not have a 3 phase control driver. I am making one. I am working between a 3 fet one and 3 555s like Marco posted. My previous one is a quad. I am leaning towards the 555s right now. I will worry about testing the
silicon in the middle scenario later for the feedback part. And something really amazing is with all the noise and power that the GK4 emits I have yet to spin a compass. LOL.
Take an important note of Ottos 3 ring connections on post 1:2. All the frequencies end up on the same connection point for phase cancellation. This stops the pulse before it hits the end of the wire.
That is my current quest. Hope it helps and answers your questions.
--giantkiller. Just re-emphasizing safety. Thats all. There have been 3 accidents so far. Not bad but not good either.
Hello All,
Just thought I would drop some more food for thought. Here's the King's Electrons story that Lindsay Mannix posted a looong time ago. Check it out again, and then read my comments and the link I posted. There are several tidbits here which may aid in our understanding of the TPU conversion process:
Once upon a time in a microsecond far away in a land under the noses of all, there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home (the other end of a coil loop) but they were sent the longest way possible. Their king told them that it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way. They were told that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit. So their king gave them a big kick to send them on their way and arranged to meet them back where they started. He showed them the other end of the wire just behind them. "See you at the arranged time, back here" he said and off they went!
Some short time later the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey down another wire. He did this a few times. After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together and crash into each other. The king was worried about this so he disconnected the return wires before any of them arrived home. He wondered whether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home. "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.
Meanwhile the electrons were still on their merry way twisting and turning, round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow gone. What had happened? They also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognized and so they met up and had a party. What a big party it was. They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. This created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends. Obviously the place was not big enough, but as it happened, just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much more room. They told their friends and almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home the short way. The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point so it really was a case of either jump or be pushed, so they jumped. The only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and their friends and their friends as well, and they just kept on coming. Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come. When all the king?s electrons came rushing home thru the other big wire that was not for his travelers, the king was relieved that they had taken the shortcut, but when he saw all the other uninvited guests, he realized that disconnecting the main return wire was a bad mistake. He grabbed a few of them and put them to work. He was able to send some of the others back down the original wire in the hope that they would find another king to annoy, but there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire that led somewhere else and joined them together. He managed to get most of the uninvited guests to go down that one, away from his kingdom. He told them to tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun, weaving and winding, jumping and pushing. It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by that he had no way of dealing with them, so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whiz by. He would tell some of them that the party was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster. He even sent some of them down the big weavy wire to let the others know that the party was over, but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice. I?m told that he went to a power generator where none of this silliness could happen to him again and all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.First, I would like to draw your attention to this specific part here:
"After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together and crash into each other. The king was worried about this so he disconnected the return wires before any of them arrived home."A while ago, we were having a discussion about how to stop the current flow in the wires when we pulse the control coils. Well here is one approach. One end of the control coil can be connected to the pulse circuit (which would connect the coil to the + of the battery), and the other end can connect to the collector, (which ultimately is connected to the negative side of the battery since we are running DC through it. When the pulse circuit energizes the control coil, we must remember that the electrons will come
from the negative side of the battery to the positive side, which means that the electron flow starts at the collector coil and heads around and around the control coil to the positive side. So if we use an extremely short pulse on the wire, we can conceivably cut off the positive to the wire before the electron current reaches the end of the coil (hence lots of wire for the control coils). When the switching circuit is off, it is essentially like disconnecting the wire physically, which will create an RE event on the wire and charge the collector.
There is something else that you should know as well. Something else happens when we create a 'kick' on the wire. Remember that Mr. Mark emphasized the importance of understanding this simple concept:
"WE are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a primary to secondary flux. We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it."So any notions of standard induction must go out the window (I think we all realize this though).
So the question I ask is what really is happening with this piece of wire when we first start the current flow through it?
Here's a hint from Steven:
?When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months.?Pulling electrons from the sky? Hmmm.... For those of you who haven't seen Sauron's latest post about what happens during a nuclear explosion, check out this post in Bruce's thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg31744.html#msg31744
In particular, focus your attention on this part:
QuoteThe formation EMP begins with the very intense, but very short burst of gamma rays caused by the nuclear reactions in the bomb. About 0.3% of the bomb's energy is in this pulse, but it last for only 10 nanoseconds or so. These gamma rays collide with electrons in air molecules, and eject the electrons at high energies through a process called Compton scattering. These energetic electrons in turn knock other electrons loose, and create a cascade effect that produces some 30,000 electrons for every original gamma ray.
Electron Cascade EffectCheck this doc out specifically about the effect, it is the same thing that makes ionic air filters work:
http://website.lineone.net/~aarekhu/electroncasc.htm
One interesting thing to note from this source is the following:
Quote{quote from physicist} "Number one, we have this phenomenon whereby we found that certain insulators, and some insulators are more effective than others, if we apply a high frequency, high voltage, alternating field across an insulator that we produce this [J.Willard] Gibbs phenomenon, this non-Maxwellian field, which has a differential polarization, that is, that it creates a polarity differential between it and the environment such that neutral and charged air molecules are accelerated at extremely high speed, not very low speed, but at very high speed toward the emitter. As these molecules are accelerated they collide with other molecules in the air and when this collision occurs the electrons are knocked off the molecules, that is, free electrons are knocked off the molecules and they in turn are accelerated by this field and then collide with the other molecules causing a discharge of more electrons and this is the origin of the basis of what we call the electron cascade."
SO what does this all have to do with the kick?? We talked a lot about the RE event occurring when the current starts to flow, but there is an even simpler way of looking at it too. When the current first starts (particularly during a
high voltage spike), we have this abrupt charging of the wire which creates a positive electric field around the outside surface. This electric field is
always positive no matter which way the current flows and its magnitude is simply a function of the changing voltage potential on the wire. The faster the rise time of the voltage on the wire, the stronger this E-field burst will be. So, it?s possible that this abrupt E-field ejection from the wire could free up some electrons in the air around the wire and accelerate them towards the wire.
If we time the pulses just right or we simply make enough of them, we can cause an avalanche of charges to be accelerated towards the wire to contribute to our output current 'kick'. But as Grumpy and others have noted, the effectiveness of this depends on the rise and fall times of the spike.
So I am proposing that a simple piece of wire with a sharp voltage applied is a particle accelerator.
If we think again about the King's electron story, we can see how each 'kick' of the control wires would bring in a lot of extra electrons. So what do we do? We 'kick', disconnect, and let the collector collect and dissipate the charges.
God Bless,
Jason O
"whereas the superior electron cascade effect creates free-electrons actually in the environment by speeding up electrons, which in turn collide with air atoms, to create more free-electrons."
Jason,
The above is from the link you posted. The air atoms that are being collided with in the collector are not regular particles. I have an entire post nearly finished, for tomorrow, dealing with pressure waves caused by amplified sound and their affect on air molecules within the collector. But this fits so well I had to add my two cents.
But if this is true, where does it leave the whistler wave?
But if this is true, it might explain the AC 5000 HZ in one of the engineering reports.
But where does the whistler fit If it is High Freq. Could this same process be done at 8 Hz?
Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Let's say that we are wrong for a minute about the whistler wave.
The Ionizer is using static electricity to clean the air. Could that be the answer that fits the Tesla clue and the magnetometer going off the chart..
"Static electric fields occur naturally in the atmosphere, particularly under thunderclouds, and can lead to lightning strikes"
Perhaps it was not the magnet wave around a thunderstorm, but rather the cause of that wave, being the static electricity. No lightning, no magnetic field, no magnetic field, no Tesla mangetometer going crazy. Just thinking aloud!
A very good link that clears up misconceptions about static electricity
http://amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon.html (http://amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon.html)
Hi btentzer,
I am not sure exactly how the whistler waves would fit into this explanation as I have not really considered them in my TPU theory. I know others have talked a lot about them, especially with respect to the magnetic reconnection thread over on the Gn0sis forum.
I do agree with you that in the case of the TPU, we are not accelerting air molecules, we want the electrons from the air molecules (or juat any free-floating electron in the atmosphere). They are all over the place riding on the flux lines of the earth's field coming from the poles onward. I have no idea how many free electrons there are at ground level though. That would be a good thing to look up though.
QuotePerhaps it was not the magnet wave around a thunderstorm, but rather the cause of that wave, being the static electricity. No lightning, no magnetic field, no magnetic field, no Tesla mangetometer going crazy. Just thinking aloud!
I absolutely agree with you here! This is exactly what happens in a nuclear explosion that causes the intense EMP burst. When the gamma rays knock off all the free electrons, and they get accelerated back to the cloud, their acceleration produces the huge magnetic boom. So now that I think about it, we may not need to actually capture the electrons from the air molecules around us at all. Perhaps all we want to do is jar them enough to accelerate them so that they all produce a large magnetic wave that can be 'collected' by the collector coil. This explanation would seem to fit the magnetometer explanation nicely. This explanation also lines up more with Steven's explanation of the kick being the result of the "earth's electromagnetic field" contributing some energy... Maybe that is simply the electromagnetic field induced from the atmospheric interaction?
God Bless,
Jason O
What voltage and what frequency are you thinking?
My guess, try 5000 Hz, but I have no Idea about the voltage. How much is required to start the reaction in the air cleaning device?
If you look at that thread I posted, It has some info on high voltage use and static electricity that may be useful to you
We can leave no stone unturned,
Bruce
Duh...
Hmm..Kind of looks like three collectors, the center one not have any high frequency voltage.
gone
Just testing my new domain name and email address...
Looks like it works quite nicely.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: btentzer on May 19, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
What voltage and what frequency are you thinking?
My guess, try 5000 Hz, but I have no Idea about the voltage. How much is required to start the reaction in the air cleaning device?
If you look at that thread I posted, It has some info on high voltage use and static electricity that may be useful to you
We can leave no stone unturned,
Bruce
Hi Bruce,
I have no idea what the frequency would need to be to best create the effect. I almost wish I had one of those air filters to play with so I could see what frequency they pulse the plates at.
Yes I remember seeing something about high voltage in your thread. I was particularly interested in your passing reference to cold cathode tubes. That was one thing that really got me thinking about the cascade effect.
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
"Any home ionizer has the potential to produce RF burns even through protective gloves. Electrical Gloves are recommended but not totally full proof over longer periods. The ions tend to ride a few centimeters above (traveling along) the wires and then spread outwards. Over time saturation of the negative ions will build-up slowing or stopping the pulse propulsion i.e. electron flow. Too few holes on the positive ground side of the plate i.e. too few positive ions results in no working propulsion system."
http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_4_6_5.html (http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_4_6_5.html)
Could this be further proof....I think SO, NOW I am really excited about this theory
Remember the RF fire from the TPU!!
Also in the above link something else was noted in his experiment, "AN INCREASE of weight on a object attracting the Ions. Think "increased density" think "UFT-Unified Field Theory"
I found this on a patent for an Ionesphere machine that cleans air..
"wherein said series of alternating polarity voltage pulses are of substantially equal voltage magnitude;
wherein the time duration of positive pulses from said alternating polarity voltage pulses are substantially equal to the time duration of negative pulses from said alternating polarity voltage pulses; and
wherein said series of alternating polarity voltage pulses have a frequency of from about 0.05 Hertz to about 4 Hertz; (Could we be right back to the whistler wave of around 8 Hz, but with High voltage?)
whereby waves of ions of opposite polarity are created which assists in moving said air ions away from said ionization means."
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4829398.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4829398.html)
And:
"The Bench Top Ionizer employs a safe non-nuclear AC
ionization source. AC systems utilize emitters that are
switched rapidly between positive and negative high
voltage, usually at the power line frequency (50/60 Hz)."
http://www.desco.com/pdf/tb-2016.pdf (http://www.desco.com/pdf/tb-2016.pdf)
And:
"The circuit of the high-voltage air ionizer consists of 3 parts
1. RC oscillator and power driver
2. high-voltage cascade multiplier
3. ion generator
I'm going to describe each of the parts in more detail now."
circuit schematic high voltage ionizer for some ideas at:
http://www.geocities.com/~uwezi/electronics/projects/ionizer.html (http://www.geocities.com/~uwezi/electronics/projects/ionizer.html)
Could this idea be a referance to SM's "Phenomona of magnetic collection" Turning Ions to current? Static electricity IS high voltage no current. So perhaps the pressure waves, magnetic fields, etc, allow the collection of these Ions= Power.
Hmm...Just thinking aloud again. Ions can be produced using High voltage VLF (very low frequency) This would combine Otto's work and gk's. Otto is having some success with AC VLF whistler wave. But If not mistaken, at low voltage. If that voltage were bumped up....
Jason, This could be the last missing element.
Bruce
hello all
i realy liked the tpu cores that turbo gk and jdo made so that is what i have been doing i have not wound anymore coils yet but insted i built myself a tool to build cores i went to home hardwear and bought a length of sewar pipe 4" pvc total outside diamator of the pipe was 4.25 " the pipe cost 12.99 cdn it is the thin wall stuff like gk used and i then built a tool for my router table to notch the cores it takes 15 min to notch and that is 48 .25" notches so i have been building tpu legos and discovering the easyest way to do it i will be showing some pics of my tool and how it works and some cores i have made i was going to build many tpu's with diffrent gauges of wire and turns but i am also building a tool for 4" thick wall abs plastic pipe altho i do have a question why do we use plastic for our cores? what might the biproduct be from the plastic breaking down in the coil from the heat could it be of use some how elese ?
i will post my tool and pics soon
is
I drew this up based on the the last picture of the PDF.
The Red arrows are the current or pulse direction.
The yellow discs are the magnetic fields.
The green arrows are the field direction.
The mag fields all go in the same direction, But not when they cross into the middle collector. At the point they are colliding! And the energy happens inside the copper of the middle collector.
The first flash movie here shows a 1:1 ratio of 2 frequencies. 100% collision. Kaboom!
The second flash movie shows a safer frequency ratio 5:9. This equates to 55% collision. Much safer.
Funny how that ezflow just happened to fit right in that space between the upper and lower helmholtzs/collectors, eh?
--giantkiller.
great visual! thanks!
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm :o
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Eric_Dollard
http://thunder.prohosting.com/~hamel/
The heart of the ship measures 10 feet in diameter. His ship functions with ions in the air. They turn as a tornado in the air thus creating a "black hole".
--giantkiller.
okay, so now all of a sudden we are into ions.
i don't know why that happend...
anyway i did some experiments a long time ago with the ion cannon and the needles and the ion wind.
Turbo.
Personialy I not into the Ion thing I looked at the circut for the capacitor ram multiplyer - part of it found that to be interesting
Results on the GKMTC1-EZflow:
I drive top and bottom Helmholtz(hhcoil) with tip41s with 555 for 12 volt out @ 91khz(resonance for my hhcoils) through a 10 ohm resistor on each channel. Thats it.
I see 2.5 volts on the control windings(bobbin type windings of 30awg.),
1.75 volts on the ezflow, scope is across the 2 connections or scope gnd to ckt ground. Wave just looks different.
With scope gnd to ckt gnd I see 2.5 volts on the hhcoil control winding(22awg gold colored winding)
I see 3.25 volts on the original middle collector.
The bemf is in all the windings.
Now when I put an led or a 12volt lamp on the ezflow it does not light but the signal does not degrade either!
When I short the ezflow the signal does not degrade either! No sparks.
@ 88.1khz & 87.7khz I see 4 volts on the orignal midde collector. Excellent spikes and ringing all through out the windings.
The original middle collector is not hooked in any ckt. All windings are seperate.
Coil stays cool.
Compass has a 1/2 degree waver back and forth.
--giantkiller. Back at it tomorrow.
Sounds good gk,
and Thanks for the details. We need that from all the experimenters!
Psalm 150:6
Bruce ;)
@Bruce
Great Petra song.
@ gk
I read this and it reminds me of what you are doing with your new ring. It has some good info, and your ring and this patent have given me a lot to think about how to "collect" those electrons.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050147544.html
It is a patent for a "portable" ion generator
[0005] Assuming the ionizer is powered by a 9 volt battery and assuming an ideal transformation circuit to generate high voltage, the current drawn from the battery would be inversely proportional to the voltage of the battery. Thus, if the ionizing voltage is 6.times.10.sup.3 volts, the battery current drawn from a 9 volt battery would be 1.times.10.sup.-6.times.(6.times.10.sup.3/9)=0.666 milliamps. Even if one assumes a 50% efficiency for a practical transformer circuit, a battery current of only be 1.33 milliamps would be required to generate 6.28.times.10" ions/sec. Current of this magnitude could be easily accommodated by an ordinary battery, particularly those of the alkaline type.
[0006] In order to generate ions, a region of high field gradient must generally be created. A needle as an emitting electrode helps generate ions because the field gradient at the needle tip is inversely proportional to the radius of the needle tip. However, as well as an emitting electrode, there must also be a counter-electrode to form the requisite electrostatic field. (This made me think of what you have done with your ring...very impressive!!) The counter-electrode must be connected to an output lead of the high voltage power supply to provide.a current flow through a circuit that includes the ion flow as part of the circuit. Normally this output lead would be grounded to earth through the power source i.e. the grid power outlet or the cigarette lighter socket in a car. But in case of a self-contained unit, there is no readily apparent place for connection of the counter-electrode.
[0007] For ion generators supplied power from the grid or mains, capacitive coupling allows the surrounding earth to serve as a counter-electrode. Being remote, the field is spread out in space and if it were not for the size of the earth, the field gradient at the ion emitting electrode may be modest. Connection of the potential source to a more proximate, explicit electrode will increase the field gradient at the ion emitter tip. As well, a counter-electrode of larger area will increase the efficiency of ion emission by the ion emitter tip
Thank you for your time,
Bruce
@Bruce,
This is another rendition of the stun gun ckt only the internal minor spark gap is a wide field across space. And the higher potential external gap is an inherent feedback mechanism through the diodes. Again, all these are so darn close it is Tesla and Cooke Radiant energy all over it.
I always look for Oscillator, coil, capacitor, diode (or sparkgap). Not rocket science here. The figure 2 in the patent abounds all over the high energy place. No matter how different it all points to the same.
3 stage device is oscillator, minor gap, major gap. Gap refers to potential also. Feedback can be taken from any stage. And oddly enough one can see these 3 stages can be inherently coupled into another in any direction.
Pumping up potential. Just something to look into.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
Place magnets on sides of spark gap like this:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/forchg.html
Trajectory shown is for positive charge, opposite for negative (lower corner of image).
This is to stop current at gap - ala Tesla.
This one really ramped me up this weekend!
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
Capacitors between the Helmholtz coils? Hmmm...
--giantkiller.
Oh Yeah!
That was the same test that Eric dollard performed on the video that was linked a few pages ago.
Use a cap before the spark gap too - ala Tesla - greatly intensified RE effect - if you can find one of suitable strength (referring to the dielectric)
Oh yeah!
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-02TSpring-2005/AF77CD53-1575-4AA8-B3FB-78A3E99EB066/0/prs_w12d2.pdf
--giantkiller.
Magnetic collection, big time.
Between Dan & I over Fritos and and a kitkat we casually, using our massively oversized intellects, came across this known facet of the universe.
'We are electrically biasing the top and bottom coils. The center coil is what collects the spinning field which = magnetic collection.'
TaDa!
--giantkiller. Skip dinner. You got work to do.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 21, 2007, 06:27:42 PM
Magnetic collection, big time.
Between Dan & I over Fritos and and a kitkat we casually, using our massively oversized intellects, came across this known facet of the universe.
'We are electrically biasing the top and bottom coils. The center coil is what collects the spinning field which = magnetic collection.'
TaDa!
--giantkiller. Skip dinner. You got work to do.
Tom Valone talks about this in his lectures
devilzangel
..
MY, my, my! That could be SM's "circuit potential", short wires and frequencies.
We eagerly await.
Great job, gk! ( ;) If it works! LOL)
Bruce
Hello Everyone,
Given Giantkiller and Dan's brainstorm, I thought I'd drop a few tid-bits into the mix. Below I have attached a couple of papers that I wrote a while back about the TPU. They deal with the exact effect(s) that GK mentioned in his post. I still believe that these effects apply to some extent though my present theory has vastly expanded since I wrote the papers. Enjoy!
God Bless,
Jason O
I see the Poynting field outcome(previous post) connected to the LMD/TEM tranmisson techniques.
I performed the LMD/TEM type experiment using the GKMTC-ezflow.
In reference to the attached pic
Schematic A adds 1.5 vols D.C. to the output. Standard filter cap operation.
Schematic B is very interesting. The original signal is in all windings. But I get something else.
....III....III....III....III. At resonance, about 85khz, I get a higher voltage (III), about 5v, pulsing in the 2.5 volt square wave(...).
The caps are 250v, 470uf.
--giantkiller. I travel on.
A miracle of rare device
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Turbo thanks for the insight , still have the ring and aliminum plates and control circut think I should set it back up mmmm and give it a wurll,,, I'm in Columbia SC any one close to me want to work on this.
Who can tell me what the right most stranded wire is made of?
;)
~Dan
Hhmmmm....
no.1?? ::)
@ Dan Thats a good question, I like the tined wire (black one ) I would like to Try RGB silvered 58 for the ring windings ( the shield not the core ) better Rf corona @ high Frqs. maby the electrons will fly off this stuff like Teflon, Just a thought ... Mike
...the right most stranded wire is NOT TINED.
~Dan
@ dan is it nickle cotaded copper wire?
hello all im still here so much more reading to do to catch up but i have built 4 cores so far with the turbo gk style 24 control windings 50 turns each 30 - 32 gage solid each core has a diffrent collector in it ranging from speeker wire 18 gage 14 gage copper speeker wire and # 4 gage stranded car audio power wire will post pics soon im only building cores right now uper and lower helmholts coils have not built them yet but soon i will be building about 15 diffrent cores to play with 4 weeks and counting till i have my scope and generators but i must decide on what are the proper tools to buy i have 1000 dollars to spend on my tools if anyone could reccomend the right scope and generators to buy that would be great im leaning toward the generator that sauron posted a while back yes the tube 1 a shine wave generator but if anyone could sudjuest the right tools for the job would make it easyer as i have no experience with scopes and such but i will learn ;)
@ gk somthing you said a while ago got me thinking and it has nothing to do with the tpu but i wanted to say thanks!! this is what you said "if your dreams are nightmares then your in the wrong bed" thanks agin im looking for a new bed!
to all
keep on rocking in the free world
is
Quote from: Dansway on May 23, 2007, 12:04:48 PM
Who can tell me what the right most stranded wire is made of?
;)
~Dan
hi ~Dan i will have a go,
looks like a galvanized copper wire or pherhaps aluminium ???
Sauron.
Dan,
I agree with Sauron. I'd put my money on aluminium. It could also be some type of specialized cable. In what application is it used.
Do you know what it is and your just jerking our chain?
Tim
ok... I took a razor blade and scraped the strands and sure enough, copper is there.
~Dan
I went to Lowes, got 6awg 4 strand aluminum wire at .34c a foot, bought 6 feet. Total $2.21USD. It is way phat(potentially hot and tantalizing)! Hmmmm...
I could leave it sheathed and wind it in as a round bundle in a multiturn bundle
I could leave it sheathed and wind it in a pancake on a large ring type support.
I could unsheath it and wind it in a pancake on a large ring type support. This would give the 90 degree lamp wire windings a flat place to land.
I could unsheath it, separate the 4 strands and wind it quadfilar in a pancake on a large ring type support.
I could unsheath it and wind in a multiturn bundle.
With a kick, kick here and a kick, kick there. Here a kick there a kick everywhere a kick, kick. giantkiller has a coil. Ee aye, Ee aye, Oh. (Sung to the tune of Old Macdonald had a farm...)
Unsheathing it would remove and spacing that the vinyl causes. It also reduces the fire hazard.
Such a little piece of wire yet so much potential, eh?
Sorry no pictures. We all know what wire looks like.
--giantkiller. Burnin' down the house, Not!
hears an idea
what if ??
when we turn on the tpu our control coils get hot right not right away tho so how about a crystal osolator
after the coil warms up the crystal starts to osolate from thre heat it is a heat switch and after the osolation at the right freq is when we can draw a load until then the coil is putting the power back into its self like ottos test through the control coils and in that it is building heat and a small amount of power i will leave it at that for now but i realy think crystals are involved with the tpu crystals all have overtones and if our coil is tuned to the first freq and the second is tuned to the first over tone and the 3rd to the 3rd over tone and you could keep going i have read only a little about crystal osolators but i have seen some that have up to 7 overtones also you can buy programable crystals
just some more thoughts
pistures of my cores and 4 finished control coil cores and the tool i made i will post all the pics tonight
is
like this
reminds me of a pic i saw a 9 v bat taped to a test boarwhit a chip
and a cople resitors will post pic when i find it again
"E-236. Jumping Ring. An aluminum ring about 7.5 cm in
inside diameter, 14 cm outside, and 0.4 cm thick is laid on top of
the primary (E-235). When the switch is closed, the electromagnetic
repulsion is enough to throw the ring high into the air,
giving the demonstrator an opportunity to show his ability as a
catcher. A student may be invited to attempt to hold the ring
over the core. It is evident to the class that considerable force
is required; and it is soon evident to the student that the ring
grows uncomfortably hot. A split ring shows no effect. A ring
cooled in liquid air shows an augmented effect due to increased
conductivity (11-104)."
PDF source here. (http://physicslearning.colorado.edu/PIRA/Sutton/PARTIV.pdf#pagemode=none&page=101)
Short clip from another site here. (http://groups.physics.umn.edu/demo/electricity/movies/5K2030.mov)
my pictures like i said but a little later i have more rings of the same style but im still winding all my coils you see in my pics are 50 turn total all control coils have a total of 1200 turns per ring in 3 segments all collectors are diffrent in each ring i will be building many more and showing them for feedback i have tested not even 1 of my rings waiting for my tools b4 i hook them up to anything
the better days are just ahead!!
is
nice work :)
how are you planning to switch it?
T.
:)
Nice work. Those two guards reminded me of Monty Python's, The Holy Grail, scene 18:
FATHER: Make sure the Prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get him.
FIRST GUARD: Not ... to leave the room ... even if you come and get him.
FATHER: No. Until I come and get him.
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FIRST GUARD: Until you come and get him, we're not to enter the room.
FATHER: No ... You stay in the room and make sure he doesn't leave.
FIRST GUARD: ... and you'll come and get him.
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FATHER: That's Right.
FIRST GUARD: We don't need to do anything, apart from just stop him entering the room.
FATHER: Leaving the room.
FIRST GUARD: Leaving the room ... yes.
FATHER: Got it?
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FARTHER makes to leave.
FIRST GUARD: Er ... if ... we ... er ...
FATHER: Yes?
FIRST GUARD: If we ... er ...
(trying to remember what he was going to say)
FATHER: Look, it's simple. Just stay here and make sure he doesn't leave the room.
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FATHER: Right?
FIRST GUARD: Oh, I remember ... can he ... er ... can he leave the room with us?
FATHER (carefully): No .... keep him in here ... and make sure he doesn't ...
FIRST GUARD: Oh, yes! we'll keep him in here, obviously. But if he had to leave and we were with him.
FATHER: No ... just keep him in here.
FIRST GUARD: Until you, or anyone else ...
FATHER: No, not anyone else - just me.
FIRST GUARD: Just you ...
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FIRST GUARD: Get back.
FATHER: Right.
FIRST GUARD: Okay. Fine. We'll remain here until you get back.
FATHER: And make sure he doesn't leave.
FIRST GUARD: What?
FATHER: Make sure he doesn't leave.
FIRST GUARD: The Prince ... ?
FATHER: Yes ... make sure ...
FIRST GUARD: Oh yes, of course! I thought you meant him!
(he points to the other GUARD and laughs to himself)
FIRST GUARD: You know it seemed a bit daft me havin' to guard him when he's a guard ...
FATHER: Is that clear?
SECOND GUARD: Hic.
FIRST GUARD: Oh, yes. That's quite clear. No problems.
FATHER pulls open the door and makes to leave the room. The GUARDS follow.
FATHER (to the GUARDS): Where are you going?
FIRST GUARD: We're coming with you.
FATHER: No, I want you to stay here and make sure he doesn't leave the room until I get back.
FIRST GUARD: Oh, I see, Right.
They take up positions on either side of the door.
i am still wondering about why that picture is at the end of one of the video's.
Looks like an eccentric pump.
yeah, but why is it in Steven's video?
Perhaps it was used to illustrate some of the principles going on in the collectors to the investors.... ;)
I remember SM saying to think of the electrons in the collectors as "water" in a hose.
Good analogy. Yeah, bet that's it. Give the peeps the squeeze - pun intended.
@turbo
looks like a tesla style turbine humm might the turbine be in the vid for this reason to tell us what way the tpu spinns? the dirrection if you know what i mean
about turbines i just ran mine for the first time and what can i say WOW!!!!
making vids tonight putting them on youtube and overunity
my turbine will spinn the fastest on earth ;D ;D ;D
i garentee it right now im guessing it spinns at around 10 000 rpm it weighs 30 lbs and is running on 1500 psi just thought i would share it im soooo happy!!!!
the world is changeing too fast now hehehe but we need it
isteam!!
about the tpu i wound 3 more today diffrent collector configs i now have 7 rings and im building more as we speek all of them are the same style the turbo gk style
Can someone repost the the high resolution pics of the open tpu unit?
~Dan
@ dan i have them here they are but what is the coating on your wire? 1 thing i notiecd when i was playing with steel wire was when i sent power through it there was actualy 2 diffrent kinds of spark the blue spark looks like a normal spark and an orange more spattery spark long sparks i see both kinds when playing only with welding wire what is the diffrence between the 2 kinds of spark?
@ turbo i have a gift for you an invention if for some reason you do not want it will you work with me on it as your experience will progress this project
the answers to the future reside in the secreats from the past
is
Ok.... Folks HERE IT IS....
THE TPU work like a LASER.
Enjoy!
~Dan
:)
This simulation allows us to play with the Helmholtz coils/top & bottom collectors.
http://jlearn.mit.edu/simulations/teachspin.jnlp
One can use this physic lab simulator to check possible scenarios for magnetic field generation.
The idea I have played with is imagining 2 metal detectors facing one another. The top one is on and the bottom accepts the signal.
And the magnet in the simulation here is the middle collector with a DC field or the top and middle are fired in sync. And we bounce that up and down with the top coil. Not only does the bottom coil pick the signal but also the bouncing field from the middle coil. We do not involve rotation yet.
Did anybody say aluminum?
Now let's put 2 aluminum plates on the top and bottom of this puppy.
The TPU is almost exactly like Spark Sweet's VTA.
2 rectangular magnets facing each other with 2 bifilar wound coils exciter/ pickup coils placed within an aluminium rectagular wave guide. Hello?
Each rectangular wave guide(TPU) will have it's own resonant freqency according to it's cavity dimension. Does Heathkit make microwave oven BIY kits?
Where is T. Bearden when you need him?
And here's today's clue: Shrapnel stops only once.
Post from Dansway:
I was always told that microwave ovens send out magnetic waves as well as microwaves. Things capable of soaking up a magnetic field (iron) will do so, and it induces a current. If the metal object in the microwave is uniform and well-connected, like a spoon, it will just heat up. If the object has lots of spaces and is poorly connected to dissipate charge, differences in charge will build up and the item will spark (steel wool).
Put a spoon in the microwave and see what happens. Put steel wool in the microwave and see what happens. Better yet, put steel wool in a mixture of sugar and drano; that's the most fun thing ever! I ruined a microwave diong that because the fire got out of control and it coated the microwave with carbon. It couldn't even heat up a glass of water after that.
Microwaves consist of a stream of photons, just like light or X-rays, but with a very much lower frequency of oscillation. All these are collectively described as electromagnetic radiation, and also include radio waves which are at even lower frequencies. This is because there is both an oscillating magnetic field and an oscillating electric field present. The propagating EM wave can be described mathematically by the Poynting Vector (look up Poynting Vector in Wikipedia, also vector cross product, Maxwell?s Equations, vector algebra)
If you have only year 10 Math and no knowledge of calculus, vectors, complex numbers or matrices, then the mathematical symbols and concepts used are going to present you with some problems.
I can aim you in the right direction if you post again with any questions.
Poynting Vector = the vector cross product of the electric field and the magnetic field. or in symbols :- S = E X B
The X symbol isnt a multiply sign, but the cross product operator symbol.
To put it is to plain English the Poynting vector points in the direction the EM radiation is going, and the electric and magnetic fields oscillate in phase with each other at right angles to this as well as at right angles to each other. The displacement current, and the magnetic field it produces, act like a mirror to the microwaves and reflect them - reflection of light or radio waves works the same way. It is impossible to have a propagating electric field without the accompanying magnetic field, and vice versa. The two are opposite sides of the same coin, like love and hate.
When an EM wave passes within a few wavelengths of a conducting surface it induces a Displacement Current in the metal close to the surface. The current density decreases with depth exponentially - this is known as the skin effect. The phase relationship of the current with respect to the EM wave also varies with depth and the current will be going in different directions at different depths.
The skin depth is the depth at which the current density is 1/e of that at the surface. Skin depth for copper is as follows
60Hz - 8.57mm
10kHz - 0.66 mm
1MHz - 66 micron
1GHz - 2.1 micron
Depth is proportional to the reciprocal of frequency squared
Skin depth for non-magnetic metals is only dependant on conductivity, shallower for better conductors. If the metal is ferromagnetic, then the skin depth is reduced significantly on account of the magnetic properties. Iron although it is a worse conductor than copper by a factor of 5 has a skin depth about 1/6 that copper because of this. Cobalt and Nickel will be similar.
Look up Skin Depth in Wikipedia - there is a full mathematical explanation and some graphs.
Very little displacement current flows deeper than a few skin depths. Waveguides that act as "pipes" for microwaves are often silver plated in order to reduce the resistance that the displacement currents see. The plating only needs to be a few microns thick to reduce the transmission losses by a worthwhile amount. Microwave heating of metal surfaces - eg the metalwork in a microwave oven - is minimal if the metal is thicker than a few skin depths, but if the metal is very thin - eg in the CDs mentioned in my post above - then the same total displacement current must flow, and so the current density higher. In the case of the CDs the aluminum coating is maybe only 10nm thick at best and therefore only ~1/100th the skin depth. The current density will be 100 times higher than if the metal were even only a few microns thick, and the joule heating quickly melts the metal and once the continuous original sheet is fractured by contraction due to surface tension moving the molten metal, the high voltages cause arcing and incandescence. The reason the wirewool mentioned in the above quote bursts into flame is because high voltages are produced between steel filaments that aren?t quite touching and arcing occurs. Also if there are only small points of contact the high currents flowing there cause considerable heating. Similar sparking occurs if you put an aluminum foil plate in the microwave with a stainless steel spoon on it, but any single solid piece of metal doesn?t.
--giantkiller. Aye, aye Captain. Waveguide in place!
@ GK I'm useing Femm 0.4 and Quickfeild student release , I think the Quickfeild will work for you the Femm is only 2 dimentional
just a thought On the LMD circut when does the capacitors quit being capicitors and become switches in the BEMF feild or does this happen ?
OK....
Listen up everyone, I think that we need to take a few steps back and get down to the basics.... not just of the TPU, but of OU systems in general. I have been 'dormant' lately not because I fell off the end of the earth, but because I have been doing a LOT of thinking and rethinking about the TPU and other Free energy devices I have researched over time. They all have one thing in common which I want to convey to you. It is very simple and once you see it, it will be a simple matter to make your TPU (or any overunity system for that matter) work.
Lately, I have been focusing on the bare bones basics of the TPU. I've been doing small quickie experiments to determine what fundamental principles could be causing the excess energy output. A while ago I had a chance to talk to a few people about OU related things and I thought that I would share this concept with you:
I was explaining to them that when you create a magnetic field by running current into a coil, the magnetic field that results is not produced from the energy that you put into the coil. Meaning, the energy that you put into the coil was not converted into magnetic energy. It is simply stored in the magnetic field, which is a property of the space around the coil.
So, if we use this magnetic field to do work on something, the field does the work, yes, but we simply paid to create the field. When we let off on the coil, just about all the energy that we put in is returned to us (minus the resistive losses of the coil and heat losses in the core material if there is one). So the magnetic field is a conservative thing just like gravity, it gives back the energy that we put into it. But what people don?t realize is that when they say it is the changing magnetic field that does the work of moving the charges, it is because the changing field invokes an electric field in space that does the work! And every physics book on the planet will tell you that an electric field can exist in space in the absence of charges. But it will do work on charges and is the only thing that ever does any work to move charges. So that is why when we put our little pulse into the transformer with a fast rise time, we get an immense voltage spike on the output, and then we get back most of the energy that we put into the field.
So when Steven talks about the 'Kick' as being overunity, this is why. Also, the BEMF in a coil is simply the energy you put into it being returned. But, since the BEMF is a sharp changing magneric field. It invokes an electric field in space which is free simply because it is created while you are getting the energy you put in returned to you!
Here's another insight: what happens when you take two waves and add them? If I have a pulse/kick/BEMF spike that is 300V high and has a pulse width of 1 uS, there is a discrete amount of energy in this wave, say 10J.
Now lets say I have two coils and I let them both collapse at the same time, both coils produce BEMFs that are the same but since they add, we now have a combined BEMF spike that is 600V high in the same 1 uS period.
Now, if we look at the area under the curve, we still have only 20J combined input energy, but something has changed here. it is a fact that a changing magnetic field produces an electric field right? So if the magnetic field is twice as strong, then it is a logical conclusion that the resulting electric field would be twice as strong too, right?
Well, remember that the electric field produced by the collapsing magnetic field is free. So if one coil's BEMF produces an electric field that is, say 10 V/m, and there is a coil to inercept that potential, then that coil for that instant in time would have 10V induced on it. If this coil has 1Ohm of resistance, that coil for 1 uS will dissipate 10A of current for a total of 100W.
SO what happens if we have two BEMF spikes combining in the same space?
Lsts do the same calculation again:
This time, the induced E-field in space is 20V/m which means that we would get 20A of current through our 1 Ohm coil for 1 uS. BUt this time, the resulting power increases to 400W for the same instance of time!
So for every BEMF coil added, we get a quadratic increase in induced power! Why? because P = V2 / R. Since V is free (assuming you collect the BEMF spike back) then what do you think would happen if we have three coils and we let their BEMF spikes combine all at once?
900W during that same 1uS interval!
"...when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another, you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."
Now, my numbers may be a bit skewed but I'm trying to convey the principle here. This is what Steven meant by combining lots of little kicks into one big current kick!
God Bless,
Jason O
GK,
Lookin to make a AG drive? I bet with that aluminum on the TPU and a decent magnetic field from it you might just get that puppy off the table.
I am sure it will heat up though, so be carefull!
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 25, 2007, 05:25:32 PM
...They all have one thing in common which I want to convey to you. It is very simple and once you see it, it will be a simple matter to make your TPU (or any overunity system for that matter) work.
Thank you, Jason. :)
@ Jason , I took a snap switch from a BBQ and removed the coil and put in conector so i could test my coils . What i was looking for is when i colapse the feild I mesure the BEMF on a megmeter that way i can chose the capicator to do the job in my circut. if the BMEF is larger than what the capisitor can handel it will explode. ( ware safty googles folks when testing this way ) gee i like little firecrackers , the big ones scare me. ...Mike
@ Jdo300 .. great info; thanks for the insight!!!
devilzangel
..
See the metal detector.
Resonant Cavity = TPU
http://www.molecularexpressions.com/primer/java/lasers/heliumneonlaser/index.html
look at the applet on this page.....
..and then look at the open TPU unit...
~Dan
Dan, right track, I've had suspicions about metal detectors and magnetometers for a long time.
Have you read how they work?
There are two basic kinds.
A VLF metal detector, and a magnetism sensing metal detector (BFO).
Both have a transmitter and detector(receiver coil)
A transmitter flips the charge polarity in it's coil many thousands of times per second. this flip is the frequency.
This causes eddy currents in metal, which as you know is caused by proton, and electron precession. Precession emits vlf radio waves, which is picked up and magnified by the recieiver coil, which is basically an antenna.
In a magnetic sensing metal detector, the second coil has it's own circuitry, which is basically a sensitive magnetometer.
The transmitter coil works the same inducing eddy currents in the metal object, but instead of trying to detect the vlf, it focuses on detecting and utilizing the magnetic field that is created by the induced eddy currents in the metal.
I believe the TPU uses both of these types of reactions in it's operation in some form or another.
The flipping frequency in the transmitter coil is the key to what you will see at output.
Three rings, three devices which interact with eachother at different frequencies.
There is another type as well, that I had forgotten about. It's called a PI metal detector.
Here's a description.
A less common form of metal detector is based on pulse induction (PI). Unlike VLF, PI systems may use a single coil as both transmitter and receiver, or they may have two or even three coils working together. This technology sends powerful, short bursts (pulses) of current through a coil of wire. Each pulse generates a brief magnetic field. When the pulse ends, the magnetic field reverses polarity and collapses very suddenly, resulting in a sharp electrical spike. This spike lasts a few microseconds (millionths of a second) and causes another current to run through the coil. This current is called the reflected pulse and is extremely short, lasting only about 30 microseconds. Another pulse is then sent and the process repeats. A typical PI-based metal detector sends about 100 pulses per second, but the number can vary greatly based on the manufacturer and model, ranging from a couple of dozen pulses per second to over a thousand
sound familiar?
1st test:
frequency: 80khz dc hhcoil resonance.
drive: 12v thru 2-10ohm 5 watt resistors
configuration: Only pulse top and bottom hhcoils in parallel, cw
The conductive edge of the plates exhibits the same signal on the loose windings around the hhcoils. The loose windings are at a 45 degree. That means that both the whole plates were banging.
I am done till next conference. I just had a skin fairy on my thumb at a 4" distance. It came over my scope probe. Not enough adequate equipment or info for this type of test. I will leave the 20 ohms in series. This seemed like a borderline effect result. I experienced the same anomalies in testing other coils. Inadequate equipment means noticing strange things with your body.
--giantkiller.
:)
Nice Coil Joe,
Will be interested to see how it works out :)
@Everyone,
Check out this passage from this website I found:
"Heres an experiment I did some time back, redone it recently,,so thought I would update this part. I had a tone generator program on my computer. So I could make square waves,triangular waves and so on at a chosen hz. The frequency was in square waves around maybe 407. something. I tried to run a motor by connecting it directly to the sound card output,,thats where a speaker usually gets pluged to hear sound from your computer. But this would not run the motor. So I took my meter and measured the power output of my sound card with the tone generator going,,on a frequency i already knew would run the motor. My meter read on dcv setting of 20,, 0.85 volts. Then I did the amp test, meter set on dca setting of 20M and it read 1.16 and was still dropping,,so the amperage was not holding even there. So Here is what I did next. I took a transformer, the kind that have a primairy and a secondairy. I connected the output from the sound card to primairy and the secondairy to a rectifier and then to the motor. Note I was not using any type of amplifier here, just straight from the sound card speaker output to the transformer,,then the secondairy of the transformer to a rectifier,,the four prong kind, it uses two for the ac input and gives you two outputs rectified as plus and minus. And to keep it short after some experimentation I found the frequency that worked best,,and the cd motor was spinning very fast,,and thats it for the updated version. I removed alot of the old stuff to this article."
http://www.geocities.com/altenergy2007/index2.html
Additional evidence for the concept in my previous post.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
You posted your PDF about the Cliff Hazelton FE device.
From page 3of 5:
>>"Now that we have enough information, we can calculate the magnitude of the B field inside the toroid when 10,000V is applied to the coil."
Would it be possible for you to edit this doc and add an image as to how the 10kV is applied to the toroid coil?
from page 4 of 5
>>"So by using the magnetic field inside the toroid to induce an electric field on the plates"
Since the magnetic field is completly confined with-in the toroid, how can it affect any plates?
An image is worth a thousand words.
Regards, Earl
Hi everyone,
anyone have any ideas what this roud object might be?
Regards, Earl
Does evryone agree that these objects are the standard square ceramic magnets with hole?
Hi,
I noticed that the ceramic magnet pole areas are more or less free, but a side view shows lighter areas at the side of the poles. Any comments?
Regards, Earl
The discs, whether of aluminum or plastic appear to be nicely machined.
They also appear to be symetrical with 4 inward "fingers" or "tongues".
There must be a reason why the machinist was told to make a (~square) hole
in this area. Why?
- to save weight
I doubt it.
Normally magnets are part of a magnetic circuit, preferably closed. These ceramic magnets appear to be magnetically hanging in the air with no connection.
We have been told these discs are nonmagnetic, which probably translates to plastic or aluminum, since the TPU is light weight.
I don't remember if SM said not iron or whether he said nonmagntic.
Most of the magnets' fields would be entering/ exiting these holes in the plastic
or aluminum. Very strange, very puzzling.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: Earl on May 26, 2007, 11:55:12 AM
Hi everyone,
anyone have any ideas what this roud object might be?
Regards, Earl
I'm almost 100% sure it's either one of these:
http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/SWT-500/585/SPEAKER_TERMINALS,_GOLD_BANANA_JACKS_.html
OR
http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=P2011
Which would make sence since this is where he's connected his voltmeter to detect the votlage of the output. And the sort of thing a speaker guy would have kicking around his workshop.
Quote from: Earl on May 26, 2007, 12:02:18 PM
Hi,
I noticed that the ceramic magnet pole areas are more or less free, but a side view shows lighter areas at the side of the poles. Any comments?
Regards, Earl
Also believe the white thing is a fluorescent starter - see enclosed pictures.
i have many ideas about those questions you ask
the round thing in the first post is a speeker connector for a speeker box the square holes are because you will have 4 mag feilds at 90 degrease each from each square
manny other ideas bout the questions but no time right now to talk shooting video today
is
that is a set of test jack to plug in the volt meter
wer
Quote from: Earl on May 26, 2007, 12:20:10 PM
The discs, whether of aluminum or plastic appear to be nicely machined.
They also appear to be symetrical with 4 inward "fingers" or "tongues".
Most of the magnets' fields would be entering/ exiting these holes in the plastic
or aluminum. Very strange, very puzzling.
So if you place a mag at 90 degress you bend the field which rotates the s & e in conjuction with its source. modify the y axis anlge to align the vectors.
Poynting states: s=bxe. That is the current path and testing I am on. A new place to go.
--giantkiller.
@ innovation are you shooting videos of your turbine. where could i get some information on makeing one. I'm working on makeing my motor coach green so I've been real busy on the lighting as in LEDs and solor power cells on roof. you can see the coach on yahoo look up artfart97 and my 360 page should come up
Okay guy's here is my latest update.
It was hard work to collect and line up everything.
Quit the theory's and start experimenting.
Stephan you can replace this with the one on the main starters thread.
Turbo.
Hi Everyone,
I agree with Turbo on this one. We start to turn into a bunch of armchair theorists when we talk about how it could and should work. Theories are nice but experiments are even better.
As I mentioned in my previous posts, I'm getting back to the basics and have been conducting a series of simple experiments to move forward with the TPU. I have drawn up and attached below a simple circuit diagram for a setup which will produce very high voltage, thin spikes; and guess what? I discovered this very simple setup purely by chance from fiddling around with the components. This is soo simple that you don't even need a timer circuit or a transistor, just some clip leads, a 9V battery, a large DC cap, resistor, and pulse transformer. Connect up the setup as shown in the diagram and scope across the resistor to see the output. Tap the line connecting the negative of the cap to the transformer and see what happens. Try different transformers to see what effect they have... this simple circuit taught me just how much I don't know....
Also while you fiddle with this, remember what Mr. Mark told us way back when:
"The very FIRST example I gave you was that;
It is common scientific knowledge that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it you will have a small kick when first energized.
The kick is universally attributed to the earth's magnetic field.
OK the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH!
Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO SHOW THIS.
Next point; YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET MORE OUT OF A PIECE OF WIRE THEN YOU PUT IN TO IT.
WE are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a primary to secondary flux.
We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it."
Ok, the point?? Thats where the energy is coming from. No deeper than that. I'm sure we could write vollumes on the physics behind it. I have many more ideas to expand on it. But there is no point, because it doesn't change the fact that the 'kick' is the secret to the TPU, end of story.
One more:
"The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple
electronic concepts to achieve the demonstrated results. Therein lays the rub..."
SO maybe we need to stop building TPUs and start playing more with pieces of wires and kicks just like he said. Thats what I have been doing and so far I haven't been disappointed...
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 26, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
...SO maybe we need to stop building TPUs and start playing more with pieces of wires and kicks.....
Sweet nectar.
Thank you, Jason.
I have often thought that SM applied a weak oscllilating signal to the collectors to get current flowing and then the magnification occured - weak signal applied = monster signal out. So 4 leads with two to oscillator and two to load - for a single collector.
@Grumpy,
How about we keep things like this to visuals. How about a nice quick and dirty drawing?
Thanks,
~Dan
@ mike my vids are on line in the turbine thred in half baked
@ all why dont we look at saurons avitar agin the drawing that jason posted is in the avitar here it is
all it is is 4 biflor coils i think hooked all up as 2 coils input plused and output
to me it looks like our controls are our collectors it looks like 8 control coils all the same but 4 are input plused at the right freq and 4 are the collectors
is
@IS
Very much like the open tpu, no?
--giantkiller. Hmmmm.
Hi IS,
Great observation! Thats exactly what the open TPU is! Pulse then collect, pulse then collect. The shorter the pulse the greater the effect (and the less energy you consume). Don't forget that when you pulse the coils, there are actually two pulses, one on the receiving end, and a backwards pulse on the coil you sent the pulse into. SO to make your circuit as efficient as possible, recapture the BEMF spike from the pulse coil to recharge the pulse cap (yeah don't forget the cap). You can easily get back most of the input energy by redirecting it back into the cap with diodes.
God Bless,
Jason O
yes gk in my opinion
dont think there is a 3rd wire in the windings of the open tpu any more think it is as i just said above
@jason
nice those are drawings even i can understand
is
Thank you for Marco, Jason, GK, Grumpy, Rosphere, IS and others.
Thank you for your pdf, pic, document.
I've learn more and more here.
Thank you for all honest experiments.
nong
Quote from: turbo on May 26, 2007, 10:39:00 PM
Okay guy's here is my latest update.
It was hard work to collect and line up everything.
Quit the theory's and start experimenting.
Stephan you can replace this with the one on the main starters thread.
Turbo.
Many thanks Turbo,
I have now attach this PDF file to the sticky topic.
I had to rename the PDF file, cause during upload
you must have a new name, otherwise it will not upload into
the attachment folder.
Many thanks again for your hard work.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Turbo:
Much appreciate the pdf records between SM and Lindsay. I have never read the entire transcripts until now. Wow! There's a lot of stuff in there and I am beginning to put the pieces together and starting to understand the arguments in SM's tidbits!
Thank you again for keeping great records!
Regards
Chris
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 26, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
...........
Also while you fiddle with this, remember what Mr. Mark told us way back when:
"The very FIRST example I gave you was that;
It is common scientific knowledge that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it you will have a small kick when first energized.
The kick is universally attributed to the earth's magnetic field.
OK the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH!
Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO SHOW THIS.
Next point; YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET MORE OUT OF A PIECE OF WIRE THEN YOU PUT IN TO IT.
WE are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a primary to secondary flux.
We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it."
...........
SO maybe we need to stop building TPUs and start playing more with pieces of wires and kicks just like he said. Thats what I have been doing and so far I haven't been disappointed...
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jdo300
A thick piece of wire is suspended on thin wire and pulsed with DC. I used 5 Watt resistor (30 Ohm and 100 Ohm) to limit the current from a 12V battery and avoid any ?ringing?. The wire is placed in front of a permanent magnet and the direction of the current is chosen in the way that the wire repel from the magnet. If it attracts, sensitivity is lower but still works, just a problem of the simple mechanical set up. I tested it with 555 timer and a mechanical switch, the result is the same.
What should happen if there is no additional energy generated?
What should happen if there is additional energy generated?
Watch the wire movement. What do you see?
Kames.
Hi Kames,
Congratulations, you have just demonstrated the concept of the electric motor ;D.
No really, you don't even need a magnet to see the kick in the wires. but you will need a scope or a current probe (or a scope with a current probe) on the wire to see it. the kick occurs the instant that you connect the wires. If you get it on your scope screen, you can look at the waveform and determine how much power there is going through the wire.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 27, 2007, 08:50:49 AM
Hi Kames,
Congratulations, you have just demonstrated the concept of the electric motor ;D.
No really, you don't even need a magnet to see the kick in the wires. but you will need a scope or a current probe (or a scope with a current probe) on the wire to see it. the kick occurs the instant that you connect the wires. If you get it on your scope screen, you can look at the waveform and determine how much power there is going through the wire.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jdo300,
Correct. You don't need a magnet to reinvent a motor. It is an interaction to show something more than normally expected. You won?t see any current ?kick? in the scope, at least at the level of a visual effect.
Added:
I performed it a long time ago and the picture is old. Only a few days ago I managed to convince one of my friends, professor in physics, to see it and explain something. When I showed it to him, maybe 10 times, he didn?t see anything. Then I took his one finger and said to hold ?here?, then another finger, and hold ?there?. Why are those two points not the same, almost 30% difference? He couldn?t explain but confirmed that it looked more than strange. My scope didn?t show any anomaly in the current.
Kames.
Quote from: chrisC on May 27, 2007, 05:00:42 AM
Hi Turbo:
Much appreciate the pdf records between SM and Lindsay. I have never read the entire transcripts until now. Wow! There's a lot of stuff in there and I am beginning to put the pieces together and starting to understand the arguments in SM's tidbits!
Thank you again for keeping great records!
Regards
Chris
Hi :)
there is no need to thank me,
We must thank Steven Mark, and he is one of the most brilliant mans i have ever seen.
Offcource we also need to thank Lindsay Mannix for bringing this all up otherwise pherhaps we would never had known about it.
i would also like to thank all of those who are working hard on the project.
And offcource also many thanks to the moderators of all the boards.
Turbo
@All,
Ditto of all compliments above. It is a truely amazing process of all the people and processes it took in complete harmony to get this to the next step here. I am in ultimate awe of the universe unfolding before my eyes.
And the coolest thing is for us older guys, who at some point in our lives had a dream , a vision, this dream of functionality became apparent. And then suddenly here we are on a individual path but a path well traveled by others before us. But all together.
This point in time is even more important than the individual achievements of any of us.
--giantkiller. Coffee in the morning and beer at night. It is only health food if your working on a tpu.
Quote from: kames on May 27, 2007, 09:25:14 AM
Added:
I performed it a long time ago and the picture is old. Only a few days ago I managed to convince one of my friends, professor in physics, to see it and explain something. When I showed it to him, maybe 10 times, he didn?t see anything. Then I took his one finger and said to hold ?here?, then another finger, and hold ?there?. Why are those two points not the same, almost 30% difference? He couldn?t explain but confirmed that it looked more than strange. My scope didn?t show any anomaly in the current.
Kames.
So Kames,
what strange effects did you see ?
It depends probably how you place the magnets there,
cause you are in the center where the magnetic field of the magnet
turns already around.. so a few millimeters away you will see
a different jump of the wire probably...
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 27, 2007, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: kames on May 27, 2007, 09:25:14 AM
Added:
I performed it a long time ago and the picture is old. Only a few days ago I managed to convince one of my friends, professor in physics, to see it and explain something. When I showed it to him, maybe 10 times, he didn?t see anything. Then I took his one finger and said to hold ?here?, then another finger, and hold ?there?. Why are those two points not the same, almost 30% difference? He couldn?t explain but confirmed that it looked more than strange. My scope didn?t show any anomaly in the current.
Kames.
So Kames,
what strange effects did you see ?
It depends probably how you place the magnets there,
cause you are in the center where the magnetic field of the magnet
turns already around.. so a few millimeters away you will see
a different jump of the wire probably...
Hi Stefan,
The difference is between a max point where the wire jumps when the current starts flowing and a point of a balance, where the wire falls down at the very next moment, when the current is steady. I tried to use a thinner wire to avoid a ?spring? effect, the result was even more obvious. No current jump was noticed. The magnet is only for seeing it and the earth magnetic field can be used as well, I guess. The magnet that SM is using is probably for a completely different reason (except for one video), but about this later, first I am going to finish some tests and see if I can intercept the effect somehow.
There were other explanations but none of them convinced me. The difference was too big.
Kames.
Quote
Coffee in the morning and beer at night. It is only health food if your working on a tpu.
Beer is made from water, sugar, grain, and yeast.
Bread is made from water, sugar, grain, and yeast.
Ergo, beer is liquid bread. Health food.
hi guy's :)
i decided to start from the beginning...
its funny how u have done so much research into the tv story and the tv components .. but SM barely says anything in depth except a theory from his boss... For someone who was pursuing that particular field, and for a story that impacted him so much, i would think that he would have researched it (tvs), or could have known via experience what was in them, and how it was possible .. i guess he may have assumed we would know also :-[
thanks again for your in depth research, it saves us users so much time in retracing steps people have already taken.
devilzangel
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another HOME RUN turbo....
Thanks!!!!
~Dan
turbo verry nice!!
seams like tubes and crystal osc's
wild i cant wait for the tools
but many things to do right now
is
Marco, very nice, that's going way back. I notice you stop pretty early too. I see the doc is titled turboresearch1, can I assume that there will be a turboresearch2, and 3?
Hi Turbo,
Nice compilation for color TV.
One thing you missed in color tv, it is a delay line.
Kames.
Quote from: gn0stik on May 28, 2007, 03:45:54 AM
Marco, very nice, that's going way back. I notice you stop pretty early too. I see the doc is titled turboresearch1, can I assume that there will be a turboresearch2, and 3?
That is correct.
Quote from: kames on May 28, 2007, 08:36:54 AM
Hi Turbo,
Nice compilation for color TV.
One thing you missed in color tv, it is a delay line.
Kames.
This is an open source project, anyobody who thinks he can add something important to the document is free to update it and upload it again like....version 1.1 etc.
Turbo.
Thought this could help, look at the right hand side, anyone spot anything interesting.
Wave Guides and Resonant Cavities:
http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14183/
Enjoy!
~Dan
Quote from: giantleap on May 28, 2007, 11:17:39 AM
Thought this could help, look at the right hand side, anyone spot anything interesting.
Hi thanx 4 the circuit.
i do see several intresting elements in there.
Turbo.
" I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum
rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc."
Quote from: giantleap on May 28, 2007, 11:17:39 AM
Thought this could help, look at the right hand side, anyone spot anything interesting.
The 5u46b pair, center tapped xfmr. Things never change do they?
The 6AW8, killer! Hooks into the color burst cktry.
--giantkiller. If you don't look past the surface you can never see how deep you can go.
@Turbo,
I can add some stuff to your compilation file but it has to be in the MS Word format. I cannot use any program that modifies any pdf file on my machine. That is the policy on my computer for other reasons.
The reason why this delay line is so important is because if you want to put a device into a self-oscillating mode and generate short pulses, the delay line is the way to go. This is not applicable for a sine like signal but might be okay for a signal with the wide range of spectrum.
My strong opinion is that the delay required for the tpu has to be VERY consistent if not to say the same all the time and not affected by anything. It also has to have a specific value related to the required frequency, a kind of resonance.
If you are okay to add some info to you file about a delay line, below is an extract from a couple web sites. I can put it in a word file if needed.
A basic television picture has two layers:
A high-definition, monochrome brightness layer that we call luminance.
A low-definition, colored layer that we call chrominance.
Why a delay line? A delay line keeps the faster, luminance image in step with the slower, chrominance image. The narrowband chrominance signal requires more processing than the wideband luminance signal. This processing takes a brief, but significant time. The delay line assures that the two images start scanning across your screen at the same time. Without the delay line, you might notice that the monochrome picture starts before the color overlay does.
Following the NTSC, SECAM was patented in 1957 and PAL in 1961. The most important goal of both the SECAM and the PAL was to eliminate the major drawback of the NTSC system: its sensitivity to phase errors. Although choosing different ways, both were successful and what is interesting: both rely on a very particular electronic component the mass-production of which became possible just by the end of the '60-s: the electromechanical delay-line having the delay of one TV line (64 ms).
This is interesting information, for sure, however The example exploding TV we have takes place in america, which is all NTSC. This says that pal and secam rely on delay lines. Does NTSC too? Perhaps it's the very absense of this delay feature that allows it to achieve critical resonance, and implode?
Now, I tried to find examples in the media of stories about old tv's imploding and killing people but I could not. If this phenomena took place in europe as well as N america, then I would agree that the imploding is independent of the inclusion of this feature of PAL and SECAM.
However, either way, it wouldn't seem to a factor in causing it. Or did I misread something?
Rich
@gn0stik
The delay line is applicable to any color system except for digital. The main reason is an analog modulation for tv signal with a very wide spectrum (not sound part of the signal). The newest tv don?t use a half-mechanical delay line. That was very old. All new systems use on-chip electronic delay lines, such as a temp memory. It provides the way of putting all the layers (colors and brightness) in sync. Depending on the country and a color encoding type, one or another channel has to be delayed. One or another way has advantages only in a way what is less sensitive to a human eye. The phase distortion in color tv is terrible in the same way as very high harmonics in sound technology. For example, a 20MHz harmonic can make the sound very bad despite that a human being can normally hear only up to 20K.
What I wanted to say, is that when all the signals/channels come to specific sync mode, the explosion might occur. That specific sync mode has to stay at least for a very short moment in phase sync for a catalyst to start. And that specific mode depends on the quality of the delay line and may be some broken (not exact delay that was needed) circuits.
I also tried to find some stories in the media about exploding tvs and killing people. The result was zero.
Kames.
@ Kames
Thank you 4 the explenation i will add it to the document along with other things. :)
I was just reading about the exploding tv's in 1965/66
1965/66 was the exact year the first televisions came to market which had so called "solid copper circuits" which replaced the old fashioned "hand wiring"
So, that would mean the first television set's with what we call the PCB or "printed circuit board"
Turbo.
TV implosions would more or less be a result of manufacturing defects. An implosion of the smaller cathode-ray tubes used in older television sets would not be likely to kill someone either. If a person was standing near enough to a large enough CRT, the implosion may cause damage to the timpanic membrane of the ear (ear drum), and possibly lesions to the skin from glass shards (granted, if a piece of glass hits a major artery, it may be fatal), but other than that no serious injury may result.
I also doubt that any mechanical resonance of the CRT would have enough energy to fracture the glass, and even if it did, it would be more likely that a hair-line fracture of the glass (which would most likely be the result of resonance) would merely result in a sharp hiss of air entering the CRT rather than a full-fledged implosion.
My two cents.
"The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front
but sparred his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen."
Now this is interesting, what was she doing in the kitchen?
Let?s assume she was cooking?
"The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals
necessary to create the explosion."
Okay, but since she was cooking there was a rather large amount of water vapor in the air.
"And then you can tell them that we found out way back then...
It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb
humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific
day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control
circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought
of it.
No one ever thought of it...."
Nah, can't be can it ? ???
@Turbo,
You are 100% right. The very first color tvs had a high quality coil to provide a delay. That still wasn?t stable enough. The only reason a coil use was possible for use as a delay line because tv signal is analog. Otherwise, a half-mechanical or a digital device would be unavoidable.
Solid copper circuits is interesting. I have to investigate it a little.
I have seen those devices with my own eyes. It looks like a highly polished piece of a glass stick. One coil and a magnet on one side and another coil and a magnet on another side.
@Dyamios
It is not a mechanical resonance. It is a condition for another type of resonance to occur. Delay line doesn?t work in any kind of resonance.
CRT does explode very nicely, especially if you detonate it with something else. I did it when I was a child, still alive :o
Don?t want to try it again, for sure :D
Kames.
By the way, why did they "bridge" the input via a 56K resistor
to ground and thus directly having the hot phase line plugged
via 56KOhm to the chassis, if the device is turned off ?
I also saw this many times in tube guitar amplifiers
and it is no wonder you always get a nasty electrical shock,
if you touch the ground wire from your guitar and the microphone
is at a different phase line grounded !
:)
Kames, I have one of those days..
Its about 10cm, and it is not a simple coil, see attach
:)
Quote from: dani1 on May 28, 2007, 03:56:53 PM
Kames, I have one of those days..
Its about 10cm, and it is not a simple coil, see attach
@ dani1
I think you are right. The last time I saw it was about 25 years ago. I can easily forget some details.
Would be nice to get one of those.
Kames.
@ gk heres the LMD circut i'm working on PDF file , if you notice the top ring has reverse rotation from the bottom on how i wound it and can be run on just 1 fet
@ Hartiberlin , some of the old Tv's had large capacitors so when you turned them off the 56K resistor bled the cap down. then soon after that , they made instaint on sets. that means the heater circuit went to a low setting to keep the tube warm for fast start up. Now about that nasty shok LOL i had many ,hahahah but it wasn't untill the 70's that the electric code changed that grounds had to put on appliances and TV's. It's so funny that the engineres designed the sets with that type of bleed ground system and never put a grounded plug on the set mmmm . .... the delay in some sets had setscrew adjustments on both ends that looked like magnets or farrites also a balenceing resistors that may have been added to tune the set at the factory , these parts are not included in the schematics or Sams photo facts. that was before E frame gap transformers.
@All
A few pages back (page 168) I have posted a simple and stupid experiment. Doesn?t look like anybody picked it up but sorry. Anyone can reproduce it with ease. There was a purpose to post it as a prelude to something else. I was thinking about opening a separate thread but as long as most of the people are in this thread I decided to post it here. It can be moved to a separate thread at any moment. There were several events that struck me when I performed that experiment. First, nobody could give a reasonable explanation. Second, I have found two patents in my unsorted files. Those two patents were backed up just in case a long time ago, before I even started looking for SM?s tpu. When I first time read those patents I decided ?old news?. When I recently read them again having all the stuff of the tpu in mind there were a lot of things to look over again. There were a lot of things to try to understand what SM was trying to tell from his every single message through Mannix.
I am in the process of testing those two patents. That is not a manual to how to do the things. Those are basic ideas and results.
The first patent (file name) I changed to ?power unit?. The second (file name) I changed to ?control unit?.
In the power unit the text is much more important than the drawings. Read it all. Don?t miss a single line. Drawings are not the same as what text is saying.
In the control unit, the drawing might remind you what you saw in the videos. It is just a nice technical solution.
I have scanned all the attachments from this forum and didn?t find anybody ever posted it before. Maybe I missed something. In this case, just disregard this post.
If you read these patents for the first time, come back and see what I posted on page 168. Any criticism or opinion is okay except for teaching me how to use a scope or probes or asking if I forgot to check my battery charge.
Again, I haven?t tested everything from these two patents. I am in the process. If anybody can get ahead, it is only better.
Regards,
Kames.
I used to fix video games. On one job I slid the video box out at an angle sideways to gain access to crawl behind. There were kids playing at a neighboring pinball game. As I was sitting behind the box tinkering with the tube alignment rings. The images were fuzzy. The kids next store got excited and jumped around kicking my outstretched leg. I flinched, my elbow dipped and hit the coin box below. The circuit, having been complete, sent me flying backward against the wall about 2 feet. I was already blacked before the flight. Luckily I didn't stop breathing. I came to with a really dull feeling. The kids were gone.
--giantkiller.
@kames,
In the power_unit pdf. patent page 17, pdf page 19, paragragh 10. it occurred to me that the tpu is a copy of the Tesla vibratory oscillator the rung the building, and the span bridge oscillator also. Only we are pressuring the surrounding magnetic fields of the planets. Now that is a ring because Tesla even stated that he could crack the planet.
--giantkiller. Basic embodiment of all that is possible. We are our only limits.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 28, 2007, 10:03:21 PM
@kames,
In the power_unit pdf. patent page 17, pdf page 19, paragragh 10. it occurred to me that the tpu is a copy of the Tesla vibratory oscillator the rung the building, and the span bridge oscillator also. Only we are pressuring the surrounding magnetic fields of the planets. Now that is a ring because Tesla even stated that he could crack the planet.
--giantkiller. Basic embodiment of all that is possible. We are our only limits.
The patent doesn?t really explain a reason. It just constitutes a fact. I see what you mean but I wouldn?t say it is like a Tesla vibratory oscillator. It looks to me like a little explosion that occurs under specific conditions. If it is like a vibratory oscillator, it is also not that bad. :)
Kames.
@giantkiller
Have you ever heard about a directional explosion? On of the way doing that is to blow two charges, one after another with a very little delay between them.
Kames.
Each person who tries to see beyond his own time must face questions to which there cannot yet be proven answers.
--giantkiller.
Let's match up the open tpu with this patent power_unit and the Tesla vibratory oscillator.
--giantkiller.
Hey Roberto,
These guys are in your neighborhood. Are Pisa, Massa, Italy close to you? The company is Energia Celeste S.R.L.
Here is the site of official filing. http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO1998040960&DISPLAY=STATUS
quote:
The electromagnetic device of the present invention exploits a practically unlimited source of energy and it is thus very cheap; it produces no harmful waste and therefore it is safe and not polluting.
This electromagnetic device is very easy to manufacture and it employs very cheap components; it is suitable in particular for domestic use, since it is noiseless and small, even if it is not excluded its use for producing energy on an industrial scale.
In addition, the electromagnetic device according to the present invention does not need to be connected to an external electric network and it is therefore particularly practical.
And the quote from the Twilight zone issue of 'To serve man' is "It is extremely economical".
--giantkiller. Aint this fun?
mmmm GK i guess the next starship id glaxia mmmmmmm spin down not yet ...still the same m2= r3 ..... mass an eq of mass.4m32nX 3 yrxmy3 = my '2
Great finds guys! now CHECK THIS OUT! This is what the magnetic implosion is all about!
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/powergain.htm
Bon appetite!
God Bless,
Jason O
hello all
great work it wont be long now some one has to crack it and post it we are so verry close
i wish i had more to add but right now i dont keep up the great work when i have more crazy thoughts i will add
in the tv circuit that was all copper mabe the coils were not sheilded well enough and produced a currnt in the circuit board witch statred the runaway effect that caused the tv to explode like the hall effect current builds up in surronding metals that would fit with stevens comments
is
OK this is a work in progress . EXPLOSIONS your at risk OK so don't proceed , if you have nothing to give just listen and yes this will hurt you making the TPU in the neighborhood of 151 kz and 156 thats microwave (critical) the scaler waves that may alter your genies and chromatic metal structure you may be at risk but if you need carry on , you never know enhought ( this is a warning this project may not be safe to your health .) OK you have another warring ....!!!!!!! we post this everyone as we go forward .........test safely
Quote from: kames on May 28, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
@All
A few pages back (page 168) I have posted a simple and stupid experiment. Doesn?t look like anybody picked it up but sorry. Anyone can reproduce it with ease. There was a purpose to post it as a prelude to something else. I was thinking about opening a separate thread but as long as most of the people are in this thread I decided to post it here. It can be moved to a separate thread at any moment. There were several events that struck me when I performed that experiment. First, nobody could give a reasonable explanation. Second, I have found two patents in my unsorted files. Those two patents were backed up just in case a long time ago, before I even started looking for SM?s tpu. When I first time read those patents I decided ?old news?. When I recently read them again having all the stuff of the tpu in mind there were a lot of things to look over again. There were a lot of things to try to understand what SM was trying to tell from his every single message through Mannix.
I am in the process of testing those two patents. That is not a manual to how to do the things. Those are basic ideas and results.
The first patent (file name) I changed to ?power unit?. The second (file name) I changed to ?control unit?.
In the power unit the text is much more important than the drawings. Read it all. Don?t miss a single line. Drawings are not the same as what text is saying.
In the control unit, the drawing might remind you what you saw in the videos. It is just a nice technical solution.
I have scanned all the attachments from this forum and didn?t find anybody ever posted it before. Maybe I missed something. In this case, just disregard this post.
If you read these patents for the first time, come back and see what I posted on page 168. Any criticism or opinion is okay except for teaching me how to use a scope or probes or asking if I forgot to check my battery charge.
Again, I haven?t tested everything from these two patents. I am in the process. If anybody can get ahead, it is only better.
Regards,
Kames.
Celestial Energy Corporation - pretty near in meaning to Universal Energy Corporation, I would say. This is exactly the sort of clue SM likes to give - obvious what he was getting at but only after you know what he is referring to!
The essence of the patent is. You need to peturb/twang an existing static magnetic field with a particular sequence of pulses. In return you get back magnetic oscillations of several 1000 times greater that the input.
Note in the patent the diagram showing the pulse heights IS NOT TO SCALE!. When you replot to scale figure 2 c) the waveform looks more like a sinewave with a low frequency modulation on the top... (7.8hz?)
However SM has said use frequency plus 1st and 2nd harmonic.
So obvious experiment using basic air core solenoid shape.
1. 1st coil with say 2 layers connected to 50v DC. This sets up the static magnetic field.
2. 2nd coil is a trifilar coil wrapped as one layer. Connect the 3 pair to 3 sources of frequency with relationship as above. What voltage amplitude to use ? Patent suggest these need to be in the 100s of volts but worth trying more obtainable amplitude of 12-24volts first.
3. 3rd coil of heavy gauge wire of say 3 layers is your output.
I've had unexplained burnouts of stepper motor circuits when using a DC solenoid around rotating magnetic fields (that were rotated by the stepper motor circuit).
This a great find Kame. Thanks for sharing.
Jason,
You may be on to something with your capacitor-plate, E-field line of reasoning. Perhaps this is why the two open units do not work when inverted. The larger units that are glued to a base-board may not work inverted either. The units he does invert successfully may actually be two units, back-to-back, with one always upright--both sharing the same middle cap-ring, which is why there are three cap-rings. (I wonder if these units have a small "blind spot" when they are held vertically.)
Perhaps all we need to do is figure out how to make coils interact in such a way as to magnify the naturally occurring charge difference in separated cap-ring-plates and then tap this much larger free charge?
I think I will spend some time searching and learning about Earth's E-field. How strong is it? Does it resonate? At what frequencies?
Thank you,
Rosphere
There is another line of reasoning about resonant chambers. My microwave still works inverted.
Quote from: kames on May 28, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
@All
A few pages back (page 168) I have posted a simple and stupid experiment. Doesn?t look like anybody picked it up but sorry. Anyone can reproduce it with ease. There was a purpose to post it as a prelude to something else. I was thinking about opening a separate thread but as long as most of the people are in this thread I decided to post it here. It can be moved to a separate thread at any moment. There were several events that struck me when I performed that experiment. First, nobody could give a reasonable explanation. Second, I have found two patents in my unsorted files. Those two patents were backed up just in case a long time ago, before I even started looking for SM?s tpu. When I first time read those patents I decided ?old news?. When I recently read them again having all the stuff of the tpu in mind there were a lot of things to look over again. There were a lot of things to try to understand what SM was trying to tell from his every single message through Mannix.
I am in the process of testing those two patents. That is not a manual to how to do the things. Those are basic ideas and results.
The first patent (file name) I changed to ?power unit?. The second (file name) I changed to ?control unit?.
In the power unit the text is much more important than the drawings. Read it all. Don?t miss a single line. Drawings are not the same as what text is saying.
In the control unit, the drawing might remind you what you saw in the videos. It is just a nice technical solution.
I have scanned all the attachments from this forum and didn?t find anybody ever posted it before. Maybe I missed something. In this case, just disregard this post.
If you read these patents for the first time, come back and see what I posted on page 168. Any criticism or opinion is okay except for teaching me how to use a scope or probes or asking if I forgot to check my battery charge.
Again, I haven?t tested everything from these two patents. I am in the process. If anybody can get ahead, it is only better.
Regards,
Kames.
Hi Kames,
I must commend you on that great find of a patent! All of the different frequency mixing methods we have discussed fit in with it (beat frequencies, mixing, phase shifting, harmonics etc...).
I wanted to let you know that I will be duplicating your original kick experiment. In light of seeing this patent, I now know why you used the permanent magnet. I got a little confused by your description of how the wire behaved though when you were explaining what it did when you held it in different spots. Perhaps you could do a video of the experiment to show everyone the behavior of the wire? I would make one myself but my camera is temporarily missing :-[.
@Rosphere,
That may be the key there, but then again, the magnetic implosion effect may be all that we need to bring in the energy. Remember the nuclear explosion that created the great EMP collapse afterwards.
Anywho, if you would like some info on the earth's ionosphere, here is a good start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-ionosphere_cavity_resonance
Note that the Schumann cavity resonance is stimulated by lightning strikes! Lightning strikes are essentually big 'kicks' that occur roughly 100 times a second all over the globe. So if you tune your TPU to some harmonic of the schumann resonant frequency (which by the way is a pulse wave), these pulses can help add more kicks to your TPU...
Other info you might find useful:
"What is a Schumann Resonance? Believe it or not, the Earth behaves like an enormous electric circuit. The atmosphere is actually a weak conductor and if there were no sources of charge, it's existing electric charge would diffuse away in about 10 minutes. There is a 'cavity' defined by the surface of the Earth and the inner edge of the ionosphere 55 kilometers up. At any moment, the total charge residing in this cavity is 500,000 Coulombs. There is a vertical current flow between the ground and the ionosphere of 1 - 3 x 10^-12 Amperes per square meter. The resistance of the atmosphere is 200 Ohms. The voltage potential is 200,000 Volts."Taken from: http://www.healeroliver.com/Schuman_Resonance.html
Hmmm... Vertical current flow?? Hmmm.... now that has me thinking... If there is a vertical current flow between the ground and the sky all the time and we make a TPU device which suddenly creates a huge potential drop in the surrounding space between it and this "sky current" what do you think will happen to the rate of the current flow from the sky to the ground?
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 29, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
Hmmm... Vertical current flow?? Hmmm.... now that has me thinking... If there is a vertical current flow between the ground and the sky all the time and we make a TPU device which suddenly creates a huge potential drop in the surrounding space between it and this "sky current" what do you think will happen to the rate of the current flow from the sky to the ground?
Well, in the two-plate, inversion sensitive, designs: if we positively charge the lower plate, would this increased sky current negatively charge the upper plate?
And how would we go about putting a massive positive charge on the lower-plate-ring-ignition-coil-core?
@GK
I test GKMTC1, put pulse 1khz- 3%duty cycle to 2hhcoils.
Input 5 volt to 1 end of hhcoil.
Pulse another 3 controllers.
I got this pic at end of other hhcoil.
I got feedback to mosfet gate too ??? Is that OK?
Thank you.
nong
Quote from: Rosphere on May 29, 2007, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 29, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
Hmmm... Vertical current flow?? Hmmm.... now that has me thinking... If there is a vertical current flow between the ground and the sky all the time and we make a TPU device which suddenly creates a huge potential drop in the surrounding space between it and this "sky current" what do you think will happen to the rate of the current flow from the sky to the ground?
Well, in the two-plate, inversion sensitive, designs: if we positively charge the lower plate, would this increased sky current negatively charge the upper plate?
And how would we go about putting a massive positive charge on the lower-plate-ring-ignition-coil-core?
Very simple. When we pulse the collector coils with very sharp high voltage pulses, the whole coil charges up to a single polarity. I have experimentally seen this just by putting my scope probe across a resistor attached to the collector on one of my TPUs. No matter which way I stick the probe/ground combo across the resistor, the spikes I got would
always show up as the same polarity on the scope screen! Normally when you reverse the probe and ground connection, the polarity flips over. My thought is that the first case can only happen if the coil is the same potential everywhere compared to ground.
So if we make some really high voltage kicks and 'pump' up the potential of the collecotor coil (through resonance), then it could charge up to a high enough potential to look like one side of a capacitor plate to the earth's ionosphere. Or at the very least, a drop in potential compared to the surrounding space. And just like a funnel, the surrounding energy will go where the greatist potential drop is.
I can't answer your question about the interaction with the sky currents but I sort of visualize it like putting a vacuum turbine into the bottom of a big tank of molasses. The molassas would be like the resistance of the air. When you fire up the Turbine (TPU), it starts to rotate and also suck in molasses from the area. As the turbine rotates the molassas, a funnel would form and create a swirling sinkhole where something from the surface could get sucked down into the turbine faster, like a whirlpool.
Another example would be this. If you have a sink with a garbage disposal in it, fill it full of water and then open the drain and turn it on. If you give the water some swirl to start, it immediately tightens up into a big vortex and a big 'hole' forms in the water from the surface all the way to the drain hole. So inside that funnel, I could easily drop something into the drain without the water 'resistance' to stop it from falling. In the same way, the TPU may be electrically doing something like this to the atmosphere when it is in operation; creating a lower resistance between it and the top of the atmosphere so that the current can flow straight to it. This may also explain why it stops working if you flip it over :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: nong on May 29, 2007, 10:43:46 AM
@GK
I test GKMTC1, put pulse 1khz- 3%duty cycle to 2hhcoils.
Input 5 volt to 1 end of hhcoil.
Pulse another 3 controllers.
I got this pic at end of other hhcoil.
I got feedback to mosfet gate too ??? Is that OK?
Thank you.
nong
@nong,
Yes. The feedback a the gate is good. It is a start to self resonance.
Gentlemen! We have another winner!
From simple beginnings come great things. The GKMTC1 does this. I exacerbated the results by putting an aluminium ring on top and bottom (Thx Dansway). I do not recommend this! It produces skin fairies. That means you feel the lower part of the distributed energy. Guess what happens with the upper side frequencies?
@Rosphere,
I found that when I turned the microwave oven upside down i got anomilous results. The food was a mess but it still tasted the same. I just ate it differently. Lol.
@all,
So i looks like we have handheld sonic boomers here. Sine we don't push physical matter in space we don't get the audio feedback. By pushing magnetic fields to their limits we get mag boomers instead. Hmmm... Doesn't this sound like micro-waves? Please back away from the coil!
@Jason,
According to the step circuit, 1 on, wait, then 2 on, wait, then 3 on wait, then all off! We get a huge collapse going down the vacuum drain. We softly build the field. So when the accumulated field collapses the spin will happen because it is simply more powerful.
Play with the fields: http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/magnetostatics/teachspinapp/teachspinapp.htm and watch these babies rock!
Yes, Motorcoach1. We must exercise caution. Be careful.
Thanks Kames! Great posts. Another great turn. Pun intended.
--giantkiller. Attention, Race fans!
Oh my God,
In re reading the power unit patent at the signal generation section, patent page 7, section 20 and on. Follow on here:
The GK4 has the embodiment and all the deviations the author mentions. The iron core reproduces the center magnetic core electrically, the 100 winds or so to produce the deviated pulses sequences, connecting the 2 pulse lines together producing phase cancellation, in synch and randomally. Damn! This is so reproducable it pathetic! By simply altering the pulses I could jump anywhere into the signal description of the patent and get results! Of which I have already seen!
I didn't see it before. The GK4 is a totally open model for the deviations mentioned in the patent. No wonder this thing is so dangerous! You all should not have to get so complex. This is why c0msters magnetic resistor worked back in December 2006!
I achieved dangerous, flesh crippling output from 30awg coils which remained in intact.
I think I am done since January 03, 2007! I am just going to swap around some connections slightly and see what happens. The GK4 is a little different because of the 3 layers is all, and four coils per layer. I got the Beast of all coils! I just have to do more configurations. The external stereo cable / feedback winding is partial containment.
@Nong,
Match up your coil and applied signals to the patent power_unit.
@Motorcoach1,
You do the same.
--giantkiller.
Hi Everyone,
I have some research to present for you all. Just as Marco has been researching the imploding TV effect. I have been researching the rotating field and electron acceleration. Ever wonder what the "rotating field" Mr. Mark talks about comes from? Well, it's not a standard rotating field at all! See what he said here:
"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FIELD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO
FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFUL WORK
FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPENDICULAR TO THE MAIN
COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM."
and
"Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we
create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field
do things suddenly change?"
AND
"The interesting thing is how with the right combination of
frequencies, you can actually create a revolving field with inertial!"
The point here is that he never specifically says it is a rotating magnetic field. He just calls it a field. Now I have done some research on what happens when you pulse-accelerate an electron faster and faster. Also remember this quote from Steven:
"I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read how the engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing
design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft.
I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator
and especially the collector."
I did some research and found that there is a magnetic barrier just like the sound barrier. So what? Why do we care?
"The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an
automobile it
will bounce off.
However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it,
with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other
side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly
enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert
into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?"
Now in order to understand this, I had to know why an electron moving through free space creates a magnetic field in the first place. It's quite fascinating really. Check out this link here for a great visual of what the vacuum does when an electron accelerates through it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050310143841/http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm
There is a toroidal 'wake' of vacuum that forms behind the electron as it moves (just like the eddy currents that form around your hand as you move it through water). This toroid is what is referred to as the A vector potential in physics, and the B field vector is always orthogonal to it. Now how about the speed of the magnetic field propagation through space?
"The speed of electromagnetic waves is certainly known and is defined to be exactly 299,792,458 m/s in vacuum (same as the speed of light)."
(http://www.physlink.com/Education/askExperts/ae445.cfm)
Keep in mind that the magnetic field that would appear inside a wire would be much, much slower because, for one thing, copper is a VERY diamagnetic material (aluminum is Paramagnetic by the way) and resists the magnetic field formation:
Diamagnetism
The orbital motion of electrons creates tiny atomic current loops, which produce magnetic fields. When an external magnetic field is applied to a material, these current loops will tend to align in such a way as to oppose the applied field.
(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/magpr.html#c2)
So, I'm simply building a case here to explain that magnetic fields propagate much slower through copper than through vacuum. So... there is definitely a magnetic speed limit in metals that is NOT the speed of light. Now how about the speed of an e-field?
Just as the above paragraph mentions, the electric and magnetic fields both propagate at the speed of light through a vacuum. But the electric field in a wire is NOT retarded like the magnetic field is.
The electric field propagates down the whole coil at the speed of light long before the magnetic field shows up. Why? Because the magnetic field doesn't appear until the charges start moving. So the electric field would always have to be there first, to accelerate the free electrons in the wire, which would, in turn, induce the magnetic field in the wire.
So now, how do we cancel the effects of the flux so that the electrons can accelerate to the speed of light? A BIG kick! If we smack the electrons with a high voltage potential, the electric field can impart an immense amount of energy to the electron and get it moving. If we do this very quickly and periodically in pulses, we can make these electrons speed up faster than the magnetic field they create can catch up.
Ok, so they are moving at the speed of light right? So whats the e-field doing?? Electrons generate an E-field also remember?
Here is where the rotating vortical field comes into the picture!
Here is a link to a Java applet showing the Doppler effect. If you look at the circles around the dot as being the electromagnetic field generated by the charge as it moves through space, you can see something very interesting...
http://hypnagogic.net/sim/#Doppler
This applet shows you what happens when the particle hits Mach 1. Think of Mach 1 as being the magnetic barrier. But we are not moving in straight lines in the TPU. we are moving in a circular motion. SO what does the field look like as the electrons accelerate around and around in the collector coil?
On the applet, set the simulation to "Circular", select Enable, and press the Mach 1 button. Now Select "Run Animation" and see what happens!
VORTEX!
The electric field lines concentrate into a helix! Now, what do you think will happen to the "sky currents" coming from the ionosphere if we produce these super concentrated vortical E-field lines?
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
QuoteHere is a link to a Java applet showing the Doppler effect. If you look at the circles around the dot as being the electromagnetic field generated by the charge as it moves through space, you can see something very interesting...
http://hypnagogic.net/sim/#Doppler
This applet shows you what happens when the particle hits Mach 1. Think of Mach 1 as being the magnetic barrier. But we are not moving in straight lines in the TPU. we are moving in a circular motion. SO what does the field look like as the electrons accelerate around and around in the collector coil?
On the applet, set the simulation to "Circular", select Enable, and press the Mach 1 button. Now Select "Run Animation" and see what happens!
VORTEX!
Try clicking on "Faster" to exceed the speed of sound. Now that is really interesting!
Those patents bring it all together! The open frame TPU makes sense now! THe magnets are the field and the motor or starter generates one set of pulses and the other coil is the higher voltage generator, the key is the pulse duration and the voltage level/differentiation of the pulses into the coils.
The collectors statement maybe misleading, the outter lamp cord is the output I think!
Gotta try this!
Karmes Thanks for the info!
Quote from: rotorhead on May 29, 2007, 02:34:10 PM
Jason,
QuoteHere is a link to a Java applet showing the Doppler effect. If you look at the circles around the dot as being the electromagnetic field generated by the charge as it moves through space, you can see something very interesting...
http://hypnagogic.net/sim/#Doppler
This applet shows you what happens when the particle hits Mach 1. Think of Mach 1 as being the magnetic barrier. But we are not moving in straight lines in the TPU. we are moving in a circular motion. SO what does the field look like as the electrons accelerate around and around in the collector coil?
On the applet, set the simulation to "Circular", select Enable, and press the Mach 1 button. Now Select "Run Animation" and see what happens!
VORTEX!
Try clicking on "Faster" to exceed the speed of sound. Now that is really interesting!
:) ;D I was waiting for someone to try that! Yeap! The vortex reverses direction and starts going the other way. I imagine that it would look like the first, tighter one, if the simulation would make the particle go even faster than the max it could go.
God Bless,
Jason O
got it up to 3.4 I think, interesting complex waves
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you
explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into
pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes
from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.
This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge
of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation)
I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Hi everyone,
If I understand the patent posted by Kames right it is like this:
(I'm considering only the option to directly generate power in a nearby coil (electric generator)
1 a permanent magnet get wrapped with two parallel wires
2 the two wires get pulsed with pulses A and B where B has a slight delay compared to A
3 both pulses have equal width with a duty cycle of less then 10%
4 pulse A varies in amplitude above 380V with a minimal variation of 50v per pulse
5 pulse B is 2.5 times the amplitude of pulse A (and also varies according to A)
6 pulse A accelerates the permanent magnets field
7 pulse B accelerates pulse A and the already accelerated field even further (voltage=speed!)
A very fast increasing magnetic field is building up now and can induce power in another coil.
8 Next A pulse is lower
9 Next B pulse is also alot lower
The magnetic field is very quickly collapsing now and can induce more power in the other coil.
10 goto 4 for the next pulse
This is what I understood of it. Do you agree?
Does Lenz law not spoil this as the power in the other coil gets induced?
regards
Robert
@dutchy1966,
I think Lenz Law would not apply.
1) Your moving the magnetic field
2) Your using pulses (Albeit...fast pulses)
Quote from: Dansway on May 29, 2007, 04:40:05 PM
@dutchy1966,
I think Lenz Law would not apply.
1) Your moving the magnetic field
2) Your using pulses (Albeit...fast pulses)
Like the pulses are so fast that lenz hasn't got time to establish before they're gone?
Tests have been carried out with different fixed values of the period up to a minimum value about 10-^12s10^-12 sec ?? That is extremely fast isn't it? Might that be why Steven Mark says to use tubes for the controller? Are transistors not fast enough.....hmmmm What about Mosfets in avalanche...will they manage this speed?
Robert
@Jdo300
Hi Jdo300,
Here you go, see attached video.
Here is the description of the initial test that started everything.
A fresh charged (about 2 years old) battery 12 v 7.2 AH discharged for about 10% to avoid significant voltage drop, which is common to a fresh charged battery. After that, initial voltage is 12.55 V. In this video I use my hands to connect to the battery because all the rest of the test has been already disassembled for other tests in my temp circuit board. The resistor is 6 Ohm precisely, the rest 20 Ohm is already being used in another circuit and I don?t want to disassemble it. After connecting the battery, the voltage drops to about 12.35 V, which is about 1.6%. It stays like that for a few minutes. I let the wire to calm down by using my finger and put a ?knife sharping? stick to the point where it is balanced. I disconnect a battery and let the stick to calm down again. By that time the voltage is recovered to its exact initial value. I move the stick about 10 mm away and hit the battery again. The wire HITS the stick and falls down. The difference (the farthest point and the point of a balance) for all the movement of the wire is about 30% visually.
The initial distance between a magnet and a wire is about 1.5 cm/0.6 inch. A point of balance is about 3.5 cm/1.4 inch. The farthest point of the wire where it can still hit the stick is about 4.5 cm/1.8 inch. Which is about 22%. If the wire is much thinner, the number will go to about 30%.
The wire, doesn?t matter how thin it is, does have a weight, and it does need a momentum to by pass a point of equilibrium. The momentum does need a real/kinetic energy to be constituted. Where does it come from? For now, I have only one assumption, it is an interaction between a magnetic field and the initial electron flow. When the current is steady, effect disappears.
I put a white paper behind the screen for better visibility. The video file has been tested in Windows Media player and Winamp.
This might be a case what SM meant when saying that one can show excess of energy from a piece of a wire.
Kames.
tubes can handle those voltages more readily than semiconductors, speed is also a factor. Maybe even the flux fields affect on the semiconductors.
Now what if the core is just a bundle of copper wire and the neo magnet supplies the magnetic field? This allows us to start and stop it, no?
Look at the pix of the open frame unit, thoise are stacks of ceramic magnets right? The cylindrical object might be a starter or even a DC motor that provides the smaller pulses (brushes creating the spikes), the larger spikes from a voltage multiplier? According to the patent the power is obtained froim the enhanced mag field and the spikes voltage differential.
The feedback coil is then the output coil perhaps. On the open frame unit the output is more than likely the 18ga speaker wire (that is a guess on the wire size).
Thoughts?
Correct me if I am wrong here , but isn't 10^-12 about 1 terahertz?
Quote from: dutchy1966 on May 29, 2007, 04:47:16 PM
Like the pulses are so fast that lenz hasn't got time to establish before they're gone?
Tests have been carried out with different fixed values of the period up to a minimum value about 10-^12s
10^-12 sec ?? That is extremely fast isn't it? Might that be why Steven Mark says to use tubes for the controller? Are transistors not fast enough.....hmmmm What about Mosfets in avalanche...will they manage this speed?
Robert
A period of 10^-12 seconds equates to a frequency of 1 terrahertz.
Currently the only devices capable of achieving such frequencies would be based upon carbon-nanotube technologies, which are currently still under development.
More info here: http://nano.ece.uci.edu/papers/BurkeISDRS03proceedings.pdf (http://nano.ece.uci.edu/papers/BurkeISDRS03proceedings.pdf)
Dyamios, you beat me to it!
For a POC, I think that we should try to keep the pulse duration as short as possible using cheap signal gen's (555's again?) and drive the coils with a power transistor and vary the amplitude of the pulses from each generator, one at full power and the other say at 20%? Using 12vdc as the source to start with
Just read this bit again:
In a preferred embodiment of the present invention, the unit 120 generates a first voltage pulse sequence at its output terminals 125 and 135; the time interval (in the following indicated as"period") between two contiguous pulses (considering negligible their length) is fixed, and has a value related to the application and the structure of the electromagnetic device 100. Tests have been carried out with different fixed values of the period up to a minimum value about 10-l2s, but the present invention lends itself to be implemented also with not fixed periods.
They probably mean the delay between the two pulses (A and B as i named them). So it might well be that that they're genrated at the same moment but the B pulse is send through a delay line to time the 10^-12 sec delay...... Right????
Robert
Quote from: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 04:57:32 PM
Now what if the core is just a bundle of copper wire and the neo magnet supplies the magnetic field? This allows us to start and stop it, no?
Thoughts?
What will happen is that the protons in the nucleus of the copper atoms (they are magnetic!) will turn inline with the magnetic field that flow through the bundle of wires. The nucleus is normally pointing random or maybe even to the earths magnetic field.
Now, as this is happening...... the nucleus
drags the electron shell with it (there is a one to one bond between protons and and non free electrons). This dragging of the electron shell is what is causing extra electron flow and causes the spike on the leading edge of a square wave.
In my opinion this is the kick SM is talking about.
See here.... http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Robert
could be, maybe a PIC controller could be used or a PC with software. But keeping it simple, the patent mentioned using non fixed periods thus using 3 or more coils we could stay away from the terahertz freq and use something more easily doable.
I do not think we need to worry about the timing of the oscillators, whether they are sync'd or not but that the pulse width is where it should be and the voltage level of the output.
I think we are trying to "inflate" the magnetic bubble and flucuate it after it is inflated to create the induced voltage oputput in the output coil.
This, in my opinion, points to the control coils mass and its ability to create a field which interacts with the neo magnets field and pump it up.
It might be possible to induce a DC component in the collector while doing this and use the feedback coils power to drive the unit. Just a thought.
Quote from: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 05:34:08 PM
could be, maybe a PIC controller could be used or a PC with software. But keeping it simple, the patent mentioned using non fixed periods thus using 3 or more coils we could stay away from the terahertz freq and use something more easily doable.
I do not think we need to worry about the timing of the oscillators, whether they are sync'd or not but that the pulse width is where it should be and the voltage level of the output.
As i said in an earlier message, I think I misunderstood the patent the first time. There is only this very short period between the two pulses A and B. This can be solved with a delay line. The actual frequency of one pulse train ( A or B) is gonna be much lower.
Robert
Quote from: dutchy1966 on May 29, 2007, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 04:57:32 PM
Now what if the core is just a bundle of copper wire and the neo magnet supplies the magnetic field? This allows us to start and stop it, no?
Thoughts?
What will happen is that the protons in the nucleus of the copper atoms (they are magnetic!) will turn inline with the magnetic field that flow through the bundle of wires. The nucleus is normally pointing random or maybe even to the earths magnetic field.
Now, as this is happening...... the nucleus drags the electron shell with it (there is a one to one bond between protons and and non free electrons). This dragging of the electron shell is what is causing extra electron flow and causes the spike on the leading edge of a square wave.
In my opinion this is the kick SM is talking about.
See here.... http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm
Robert
The kick is attributed to the (electro) magnetic field of the earth because it has an influence on the wire.
when we first apply a current the high voltage races into the wire and will collide with the standing still (free) electrons in the wire which are "held" back by the flux as the man explains.
this "bump" is the kick and its also the inertia effect of the electrons they cannot speed up at once to reach the same speed as the inrush.
even if the electrons are already moving they still posess this inertial momentum we can still send in a currant which is verry much faster then they are moving and the kick will be there again and speed them up some more.
if we disable the flux they are free to move and every little kick will add to the accelleration , however , since the flux is gone, we can no longer say it is the influence of the magnetic field of the earth which has a influence on the wire ,so therefore this would mean it's only there inertial momentum we are dealing with at this moment.
basicly that is what i call "the winding up part".
----
the we go to what i call "combining the kicks",
what is described above also works in reverse, if we chase them up to near lightspeed, and we would switch
back on the effects of the flux
at once, all those little kick's we send in to accellerate
would combine into one big current kick ,we would get back one hell of a lot of power from those super fast moving electrons, inclucding ,the energy out of the (electro) magnetic field of the earth....
it's in the taking back action.
it's like you drive up a generator without any kind of friction or load , up to lightspeed and then you put a load on it, and or tap the energy to drive it up again since this takes verry less power and all we get back is for free, it only needs start up power to get there.
so the control constantly monitors the speed 5000 times a sec or so and makes the needed changes ,drives it up or down depending on how fast it is going making sure it does not get into overdrive.
Turbo.
@Turbo:
I think I understand your theory, but I am unsure how one would 'disable' the flux. I was under the impression that whenever there is a flow of electrons in a medium (a wire in this case) there will be a flux generated to some degree.
I thought the only way to have no flux would be to use a perfect conductor (frictionless generator in your model), which is far more conductive than even a super-conductor, and thus only possible in theory, not in the real world.
Am I correct in these assumptions? I may be off on the perfect conductor portion, but I imagine that it is the conductive 'friction' that creates the flux (or is it change in the momentum [acceleration] of the election that causes the generation of flux?)
In the GK4 initial test I hade 3 freqs into 3 lines all meeting up after the coil jumpering. The freqs were so fast due to competing on and off times that parts of my scope screen were just mere green swatches. Too fast for the time/cm display settings. And they were random.
--giantkiller. That is one to get the high frequency.
@newbies
Why is it so difficult to understand that the collectors are a type of "transonic pressure tunnel"? This is the entire basis of how the collectors work. Without this understanding, you can pulse until you are blue in the face and get nothing.
Something incredible happens with the combination of resonant, harmonic and intermodulation AMPLIFIED, PHASE INVERTED signals shooting down the line, causing electrons to be pulled off of the wire by the OVERPRESSURE created by the Frequency. Remember, Amplification=VELOCITY AND PRESSURE.
SM said EVEN if you don't quit hit the "right" chord (of three frequencies) you will still see some output. If you do a word search of the new PDF, you will understand what Turbo is saying. There is Mention after mention of the earths magnetic field. This field is at 7.83 Hz frequency. SM was inputing AC 7.23 (in the letter I posted on my thread) or 7.3 as SM says himself on one of the video. Without tuning into the electromagnetic field of the earth, there would be no power, and a Vacuum would be needed to see the "impossible" results that SM stated. All of his points were about a weak magnetic force being able to create as much useable power as the world has need of. And he proved it.
Also if you read the PDF where he states that for some of the demonstrations they did not use a battery AT ALL in the collectors. The Inertia (free electrons above the wire, particle accelerator) have the "cascade effect" / Avalanche effect / Turbine effect / what every you wish to call it, when SM uses the small magnet to provide a milivolt of electron movement in the wire, and then all heck breaks loose and you have high voltage. This is from what is happening in the Wind tunnel and the avalanche of electrons knocking each other off of the wire, negating the flux is like a tree that is rooted in the ground (flux holding force) Send a strong enough wind and up comes the tree roots and all, negating the "holding force". But with these tunnels, we are talking about SPEED through amplification and PRESSURE through amplification and the natural tuning effect of the oscillations in resonance with the wire and in Harmonic. The Harmonic is the real powerhouse.
Now, since we do not have investors to impress, we can pulse to our hearts content, but to do so without ALL the other pieces will not yield a working TPU. We need to pulse low voltage and high voltage in PROPERLY constructed Collector wind tunnel, that are AMPLIFIED correctly according to SM's instructions.
Thank you for your time,
Bruce
SM used tubes to determine the frequencies necessary. (I forget which ones. I think one was a dual triode)
How do you determine them? Can you tune your circuits to the your ring, or do you pull a frequency out of an orifice and wonder why it does not work?
Has anyone attempted to sweep their ring for a better frequency?
How else will you find it?
On the gk4 30awg 200 turns the resonant frequency was +-43k. But I applied 3 frequencies and all happy broke loose. I noticed the real effects happened in bands up 460khz. In those bands the current, heat, squealing, the voltage or the kicks appeared. But it didn't seem that all 5 were attached to any other. I would get kicks in operating bands of frequencies regardless of any quantifiable measurement except the frequencies. And then the pain occured.
I plan on letting the beast coil loose from its confines and feeding it. And like my last test on GKMTC1, if I notice any bodily anomilies the gk4 will go back in its box. Somebody else can be the expenditure for the week.
I also realized something else about the gk4 operation. And that is the pandemonious output based on the random mix of frequencies, the radically gyrating magnetic fields(tested with a neo), the dynamic impedances, and the coil flipping in and out of Q. As far as the quality goes maybe that was the inability of the coil to runaway. And what I experienced was the low end of operation to what I thought was a high end output. Runaway would signal done, no?
The iron wire was a configurable iron core wrapped in 200 turn 30awg. Just like mentioned in Celeste Energia patent. So I have 12 of these coils monofilar configured into 12 opposing Tesla coils at any given time. I think Niky would like that.
So I could safely put dc on the collectors to magnetize them then pulse the controls and the feedback segments. That would give a bifilar config. Does that make sense to everybody?
And not just the static items mentioned here but also the phase cancellation, momentary in phase, the mag field in the collectors jostelling about, the controller fields appearing and all the fields of all the coils snapping off at very high speeds. This thing looks like an aggravated hornet's nest. And to think I stuck my hand in it.
--giantkiller. The beast sleeps till the next pillage.
Quote from: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 04:57:32 PM
tubes can handle those voltages more readily than semiconductors, speed is also a factor. Maybe even the flux fields affect on the semiconductors.
Now what if the core is just a bundle of copper wire and the neo magnet supplies the magnetic field? This allows us to start and stop it, no?
Look at the pix of the open frame unit, thoise are stacks of ceramic magnets right? The cylindrical object might be a starter or even a DC motor that provides the smaller pulses (brushes creating the spikes), the larger spikes from a voltage multiplier? According to the patent the power is obtained froim the enhanced mag field and the spikes voltage differential.
The feedback coil is then the output coil perhaps. On the open frame unit the output is more than likely the 18ga speaker wire (that is a guess on the wire size).
Thoughts?
Correct me if I am wrong here , but isn't 10^-12 about 1 terahertz?
I think the patent was making the point that 10^-12 was the minimum period i.e. this is the smallest period that works. No mention is made of the larger period between multiple pulses. In fact elsewhere the patent specifically mentions that it can work with a single pulse sequence on one wire. I believe the reason for putting this minimum in, is so that no one can get around the patent by claiming that they are using much smaller pulses periods. Perhaps other gravitational anomalies start appearing at much smaller pulse periods ?
My take on what is happening is. A magnetic field appears in space around a coil at the speed of electromagnetic transmission. If you have a static electromagnetic field you already have a field established in the ether. If you then put a high voltage pulse down a coil, another magnetic field appears at the speed of electromagnetic transmission. This rapidly expanding field ,if you like, 'hits' the static field causing it start distorting. i.e. it gains momentum in the direction of the distortion. When the pulse finishes, the causing magnetic field collapses, but the static field having some momentum continues to distort. As soon as that momentum is used up, it is going to rebound back. The trick is to have another much larger magnetic pulse already expanding as the previous pulse is collapsing. you now have two fields coming together at twice the speed of electromagnetic transmission. The resulting ripples in the ether from this collision manifest as a large magnetic field.
So the period from one series of pulses to the next serios of pulses is not as important as the time between the low and the high pulses in the series. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the reason for using a high voltage of 380volts for the first pulse is so that the momentum of the first distortion is large enough to give enough time to get the second higher voltage pulse out to hit it on it's return.
Imagine a tennis player, if he doesn't throw the ball up high, the ball returns back down in a short period of time, giving him less time to hit the ball with the racket. Give it a good throw up in the air, you have a longer time before it returns and can successfully have the racket (second pulse) already moving ready to hit the ball.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 30, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
...The iron wire was a configurable iron core wrapped in 200 turn 30awg. Just like mentioned in Celeste Energia patent. So I have 12 of these coils monofilar configured into 12 opposing Tesla coils at any given time. I think Niky would like that...
I think we need to be careful not to confuse people.
To avoid confusion there are two patents. The first is a unit that generates the pulses with the correct timing. There are many ways of doing this with standard electronics. They choose to use a transformer with an iron core. There is nothing particularly exciting about this patent - other that the fact it is very robust to excess volt.
The second patent makes it clear that you need a static magnetic field that is either generated from static magnets or from an electromagnet. The patent also makes it clear that the magnetic field generated from the pulses has to align with this magnetic field. It is also clear that the coils do not have an iron core.
i.e. If you wrap an air core solenoid to generate the static magnetic field, the pulsing coils need to be wrapped on top in the same direction and the same sense.
SM does not appear to be doing this at first glance. But I believe SM is doing something similar by having a circular standing wave. This is in effect the equivalent of the first pulse. The second pulse is sent out from the control coils.
Quote from: bob.rennips on May 29, 2007, 04:44:08 AM
I've had unexplained burnouts of stepper motor circuits when using a DC solenoid around rotating magnetic fields (that were rotated by the stepper motor circuit).
What you just described is Steven Marinov's MAGVID!
Coincidence? I think not! :D
:)
Quote from: eldarion on May 30, 2007, 02:03:17 AM
Quote from: bob.rennips on May 29, 2007, 04:44:08 AM
I've had unexplained burnouts of stepper motor circuits when using a DC solenoid around rotating magnetic fields (that were rotated by the stepper motor circuit).
What you just described is Steven Marinov's MAGVID!
Coincidence? I think not! :D
Exactly. It was marinov's MAGVID stuff, a couple of months ago, that got me thinking about having a DC field. I also posted a relevant tesla patent that showed how he used coils to act as a rectifier. Having determined that coils could produce rectified DC I acould see a reasonable avenue to their being DC in SMs devices. The problem is harnessing the anomalies. The voltage appears and burns things out.
It's clear the key is the static field for a simpler proof of concept. However, if you want to get things to a point where the output supplies the input then you need the more complex arrangements of coils of the SM TPU.
@bob.rennips,
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was looking along the lines of instead of wrapping magnets in the first patent and that the iron wire / bailing wire idea would fit as a magnetic center. Thus controllable electrically, if need be, that's all. I did see any down side to this use at all. On the upside it could be safer the way it is jumped because the field fluctuated. That is why I mentioned I could just apply dc to the collectors. Very similar to the Helmholtz operation Dansway & I were discussing and that also showed up on Marco's latest coil which IS, Jdo300, and I have reproduced. There has been nothing done in vain and all builds and experiments have value.
There is still magnetic coupling going on and also magnetic field aggitation like the field shearing in the Muller, Bedini, Perendev builds and most of the others we have seen. At this view, alot of experiments are closely related or similar. This approach also gives freedom and justification to remove the mechanical operation in the some of those experiments. SM, Hubbarb, Celeste Energia have done just this. As we all know the mechanical solutions are limited in the future. After this stage of development is completed the much, much higher frequencies can be tried. This is where the real fruit of our labors will pay off. The stage we are trying to achieve now does power conversion.
--giantkiller. RFC
Quote from: bob.rennips on May 30, 2007, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 04:57:32 PM
tubes can handle those voltages more readily than semiconductors, speed is also a factor. Maybe even the flux fields affect on the semiconductors.
Now what if the core is just a bundle of copper wire and the neo magnet supplies the magnetic field? This allows us to start and stop it, no?
Look at the pix of the open frame unit, thoise are stacks of ceramic magnets right? The cylindrical object might be a starter or even a DC motor that provides the smaller pulses (brushes creating the spikes), the larger spikes from a voltage multiplier? According to the patent the power is obtained froim the enhanced mag field and the spikes voltage differential.
The feedback coil is then the output coil perhaps. On the open frame unit the output is more than likely the 18ga speaker wire (that is a guess on the wire size).
Thoughts?
Correct me if I am wrong here , but isn't 10^-12 about 1 terahertz?
I think the patent was making the point that 10^-12 was the minimum period i.e. this is the smallest period that works. No mention is made of the larger period between multiple pulses. In fact elsewhere the patent specifically mentions that it can work with a single pulse sequence on one wire. I believe the reason for putting this minimum in, is so that no one can get around the patent by claiming that they are using much smaller pulses periods. Perhaps other gravitational anomalies start appearing at much smaller pulse periods ?
My take on what is happening is. A magnetic field appears in space around a coil at the speed of electromagnetic transmission. If you have a static electromagnetic field you already have a field established in the ether. If you then put a high voltage pulse down a coil, another magnetic field appears at the speed of electromagnetic transmission. This rapidly expanding field ,if you like, 'hits' the static field causing it start distorting. i.e. it gains momentum in the direction of the distortion. When the pulse finishes, the causing magnetic field collapses, but the static field having some momentum continues to distort. As soon as that momentum is used up, it is going to rebound back. The trick is to have another much larger magnetic pulse already expanding as the previous pulse is collapsing. you now have two fields coming together at twice the speed of electromagnetic transmission. The resulting ripples in the ether from this collision manifest as a large magnetic field.
So the period from one series of pulses to the next serios of pulses is not as important as the time between the low and the high pulses in the series. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the reason for using a high voltage of 380volts for the first pulse is so that the momentum of the first distortion is large enough to give enough time to get the second higher voltage pulse out to hit it on it's return.
Imagine a tennis player, if he doesn't throw the ball up high, the ball returns back down in a short period of time, giving him less time to hit the ball with the racket. Give it a good throw up in the air, you have a longer time before it returns and can successfully have the racket (second pulse) already moving ready to hit the ball.
Bob I agree with your comments. Testing is now mandatory to test the theory. I am going to pull out one of my older TPU's and try a few things, hopefully work will not impinge on my testing (as it has in the past).
Quote from: starcruiser on May 30, 2007, 12:43:27 PM
Bob I agree with your comments. Testing is now mandatory to test the theory. I am going to pull out one of my older TPU's and try a few things, hopefully work will not impinge on my testing (as it has in the past).
I've started up a separate thread for those of us who want to experiment along these lines and report back findings :) or not :( as the case maybe!
The threads entitled "Proof of concept - perturbing a static magnetic field"
I was looking for a simple circuit that would sequentially start pulses, one by one, and then terminate them all at once. Perhaps I could feed one 555 signal into this and NPN or MOSFET each output to a control coil?
Like so? (See circuit below.)
Cap discharge "timming" works better then "chips" , because of the cap discharge(the cap moves its "stored energy) in the system , the cap can store and move the store about , where as the chips can just act as switchs... unless the chip acts as a cap then its not so "waste-full" ....
The same thing applys to coils ,, as coils act like caps to... so what part is going to blow 1st ? the "chips" most likly..
Cavetronics
Hi Rosphere,
Try this Circuit. Each timer has an adjustable delay before it goes low which will allow razor sharp tuning of the phase shift. Each timer would simply have a slightly longer delay before it goes low (slight frequency difference), so that timers 1, 2, and 3 go low one after another.
When the third timer goes low, it triggers the forth timer, which has a set delay to reset the first three timer to begin the process over again. The circuit is logic low through the use of NOT gates.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Cavetronics,
Good thought. Ideally, this circuit would be best implemented with a series of blocking oscillators powered with TUBES.
God Bless,
Jason O
One less component.
Quote from: Rosphere on May 30, 2007, 06:29:17 PM
Like so?
what software package are you using for modelling the electronics ? (The waveforms look like somethings from a electronics modelling package ?) Thanks. bob
Quote from: Cavetronics Labs on May 30, 2007, 06:42:18 PM
Cap discharge "timming" works better then "chips" , because of the cap discharge(the cap moves its "stored energy) in the system , the cap can store and move the store about , where as the chips can just act as switchs... unless the chip acts as a cap then its not so "waste-full" ....
The same thing applys to coils ,, as coils act like caps to... so what part is going to blow 1st ? the "chips" most likly..
Cavetronics,
Please post a circuit that will do this.
Thank you,
Rosphere
Quote from: bob.rennips on May 30, 2007, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on May 30, 2007, 06:29:17 PM
Like so?
what software package are you using for modelling the electronics ? (The waveforms look like somethings from a electronics modelling package ?) Thanks. bob
Click here. (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)
SCRs , S.S. Relays (reed-switchs) or combined NPN PNP
The Tesla coils uses spark-gaps to dump a cap in to the coil to rise the frec of the over all unit.... the cap will be the mixer and osc and part of the whole system...
or in case of the mower ,, use neon fireing a scr in to and outof a cap , or spark gap (using small high volts) to make gap
Quote from: Sauron on May 29, 2007, 04:07:43 PM
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you
explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into
pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes
from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.
This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge
of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation)
I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
So, There are three types of EMPs, one specifically from High altitude bursts. HEMP, which last about a microsecond and are a result of free electrons released by high speed photons from the blast, sent into the atmosphere by compton scattering, and getting trapped in the earth's magnetosphere. Which in turn generates an electrical oscillation, this in turn creates a fast spreading em field.
Secondary to this, is the MHD-EMP pulse which is created from the reaction of the earth's magnetic field to the one created by the burst. More specifically neutrons created by the blast interact and heat the ionosphere, and cause the earth's magnetic field to HEAVE. Supposedly this is a late time reaction, and actually occurs simultaneously with the first one, but the gamma emissions create an intermediate time signal.
The third type is called an SREMP or Source Region Electro Magnetic Pulse. This occurs with low altitude and ground based bursts. SREMPs create a huge magnetic pulse in the local area due to ground conductivity.
So, having said this, and it may not be 100% correct, but it's close, I haven't read up on it in a while. I do have a hard time tying it to the TPU however.
Especially since all three are caused by different aspects of a nuclear blast.
One is from ionization of the upper atmosphere, one from photonic discharges freeing electrons, and another from ground conductivity.
The only similarity that all three posess is the fact that they are all assymetrical magnetic fields in nature. And all three cause a displacement of the earth's magnetic field. I have to think about it some more.
Quote from: Rosphere on May 30, 2007, 06:51:28 PM
Quote from: bob.rennips on May 30, 2007, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on May 30, 2007, 06:29:17 PM
Like so?
what software package are you using for modelling the electronics ? (The waveforms look like somethings from a electronics modelling package ?) Thanks. bob
Click here. (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)
Many thanks. That's a great resource.
O key doky now back many yeras a go Mr tesla did;t all these fine thigs , in flat wind wire you may find some good answers -this is not readily availibality today - ai'm useing 7/16 =33 mm x 108 = 36 yards flat 1.5m cooper = 4 ohme , I can very the cone shape and get capicatince. (tune)the acustic affects are in lienial form. to a great effect. the feild in the LMD showws greater acoustoc effects than preavoust knotist in the feild B . now to show tis effect in the tooriod the feild needs to be rotated i the 1 phase and douplicade in the next ring, now you might say that is the same phze. ok , if you do two phazes in the same group one has to dominate the other so as one pushes oe feild out of phaze tjhe other one comes dominate , then the ocllication becomes effective ther for the qcillation begins. ......narritave you have 2 60 hurtz feilds oe canciles thwe other only if the wave is in snoidal 90 degrees out of phaze in the conotal syaps that is 30 degrees in pidelta to the first. ok so if tesla said the gap is at the capacidenc of the splke then you the gap in capicatanc not current or voltage Jacobes latter , it's not the voltage or the current that jumps through the gap it's the resoate flux ..van degraph ..
@GK yes this your form i aplogise I may be not contribuating but i do some werid things too . I hope the gulid is good but please email me if i get to away from the project. many thanks ... mike
mmmm i wonder if Tesla said is this ground hog day mmmm through Estine did he said yes it is we have done this so we have to do it again just to prove it, mmmmm maby i was wrong , as Henry ford said you can get 3 models in 3 colers. gee i'm not useing spellck descrete parts
hey motor please work on editing, it gets hard to understand when someone types while excited.
:)
@ Joe dirt http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.radio.amateur.homebrew/browse_thread/thread/21b1a87eb74dd937/095323392597c3cd?hl=en
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on May 31, 2007, 01:55:50 AM
@GK yes this your form i aplogise I may be not contribuating but i do some werid things too . I hope the gulid is good but please email me if i get to away from the project. many thanks ... mike
Hi,
All experiments are valid! Keep going. I didn't want to convey or imply possessional thinking(like owning or controlling anything). This thread is totally open for speculation. Some of my best results were just clowning around!
So before anybody's mind goes negative, read this fully.
@MC1,
I checked out your yahoo pix. Nice day lillies, man! I am planting those around my house now. The rest of you might find this strange in this forum, eh? Well here's your sign. The plants use very little water and are basically very beautiful weeds. My county is trying to expand eastward onto the plains with housing. More tax base and water tap fees. The new terrain is higher in elevation and we already have a limited water supply. The old scheme was to plant kentucky blue grass. This uses alot of water and really doesn't maintain well without alot of care and effort in this region. My county wants the water for the new taps. They are paying lower elevation residents to get rid of the blue grass and put down xeriscape. The older properties had miles of blue grass sod put down.
Got that?
So if I don't change my ways I will be wasting time cutting and watering a lawn that is not maitainable. This wastes time, effort, water, and money.
I won't be able to work smarter which equates to less experiments and documentation.
We now pump water uphill. Is that insane or what? My costs go up due to corporate mismanagement at the county level.
So the bottom line here is a standard error of downward spiral. I am working two very big issues here. To get off the electrical grid and get away from that H2O sucking sound.
There are countless other examples of this type of action in our lives. We have to change things....
--giantkiller. Great posts, guys!
Play with my circuit. I replaced the NPNs with MOSFETs and added caps across each coil. Copy the contents of my text file below and paste it into the import screen of the program linked here. Have fun. :D (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)
@Rosphere
hi wont that make each one a resanet tank circuit?
and ant that what we realey want? :D
wer
@ joe dirt
hi
like your new coil
can you email me the plans and instructions
thanks
wer
:)
Flat things , capicatance and feild reciver + capicator diode to next capicator feed back to second cap and revrese diode to first cap , gap the feedd back 200 thousath to cap.
Hello All,
After thinking more about kicks, impulses and magnetic implosion, I thought I would take some time to see if I could visualize what it looks like and how it?s behavior compared to a sine wave.
In normal EM propagation, a coil which has a sinusoidally varying magnetic field would induce a sinesoidally varying electric field in space. This electric field would then induce another sinesoidally varying magnetic field and these flip flopping waves would travel through space. If the coil was setup to create a directional field, the wave would be the same intensity as it propagated away from the source because the slopes of each induced E and B field would always be the same as it propagated.
But what happens when you create an impulse into the coil rather than sine waves?
To answer this question, I broke out my handy dandy graphing program and plugged in a simple function to represent a short voltage pulse. The function I used for this example is 3Sech(2x) and here is what it looks like on a graph:
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For this example, this impulse wave represents the magnitude of the magnetic field from a coil which is pulsed. The Y axis would be magnitude and the X axis, time. Now, when this impulse occurs, it will induce an electric field in space which can be represented mathematically as the derivative of the impulse function. Here is what the magnitude of the induced electric field would look like:
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Keep in mind that there would probably be a phase shift between the two which I am not showing here. But the important thing to pay attention to here is how that slope of this E-field through point 0 on the X axis is steeper than the rising and falling edge of the original pulse. This is the secret my friends?. Watch what happens when he show the derivative of the E-field; this is the B-field in space which I believe is the source of the ?magnetic collection? or implosion wave that the TPU taps for energy:
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Notice how this wave is MUCH bigger than the original wave (height wise). The area under the curve may be the same, but we don?t care about that. The important thing to notice is the incredibly STEEP falling and rising edge of the main impulse, which by the way is the Opposite polarity from the original pulse. Hence Implosion! The return wave!
The incredibly steep edges of this wave mean that it has the capability to induce a lot of power into a coil! The equation for the induced EMF in a coil is:
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Phi is the magnetic field density. SO this equation simply states that the faster the magnetic field
changes the more induced EMF there is. Also, notice that they place that negative sine there? That is because the induced magnetic field is in the Opposite direction of the magnetic field in the source field.
But wait it gets better! Remember what they state in this article:
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/powergain.htm
?1. There is a
threshold for these kinds of energy gaining events, just as there is a threshold for Tesla's "Magnifying Transmitters". (If the threshold requirements are not met, nothing out of the ordinary will happen.)
2. In many cases, simply a large and fast,
highly energetic explosive pulse is enough to make things happen. When these situations are examined closely, there is always an enormous local acceleration, which is not necessarily of the acceleration of an acceleration variety.?
Quote from Steven:
?Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we
create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field
do things suddenly change??The thing I want to point out is the concept of the threshold. It appears that in order for our kicks to have a significant effect, they have to be strong enough to make an effect?. So what is the point/threshold at which things suddenly change? Well, I don?t have any numbers for you but I did an animation of those waves which may shed some light on this:
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Notice how as the width of the impulse wave is decreased, the induced B field starts to rise in height. First its negative peak is smaller in amplitude than the positive peak of the pulse. But as we continue to shorten the pulse width, now the induced field?s amplitude ?breaks even? with the height of the impulse. I think this is the threshold that we have to reach. Once beyond, you can see clearly what the wave does. But it appears that the on time is the most important factor. I did a graph where I just increased the amplitude of the impulse wave but that only resulted in a linear increase of the induced B field. So, based on my rough visual analysis, It is clear that we want the shortest possible pulse.
God Bless,
Jason O
:)
@jdo300 - great incites !!! thanks
@joe dirt - great info .. thanks ..
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I am currently reading 'Tesla, Master of lightning'. I see a pattern in Tesla's work that I have not seen magnified in the public eye. So I will post for RFC sake.
When Telsa demo'd his remote control boat he would move a lever and tap a telegraph key. The boat would respond with a certain function. Then he would change the lever position and tap the telegraph key again. The boat would respond with that corresponding function.
Further on in the reading he states that 'This planet, despite it's vast extent, behaved like a conductor of limited size'.
Now in his experiments of greater magnitude he used larger Radiant engery coils, i.e. Tesla coils.
I now understand to a greater degree what my stungun tests showed. The size of the spark gap equates to the greater the effect or process transmission.
In all cases, just pump into the aether what you want out. Any size signal is exceptable. You will be able to read that anywhere on the planet, unlike radio waves due to distance. It is known that the aether seems to be Extremely Low Frequency waves of 4 to 12 hz.
It is like being under water. It impedes movement of solid matter but sound travels 5 times faster.
The water is the aether and the sound, in our case, is the radiant energy. So 2 tuned coils with RE between them becomes a tranmission pipe. And one does not need to generate a powerful signal to transmit an intelligent protocol. What ever signal or power size is at the source will appear at the tuned destination anywhere on the planet.
--giantkiller. That is why it is free.
Taken from: http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper3.html
Seems it explain the sucking effect of the explosion of the TV set told by SM.....
Regards,
Pegasus
ContraRotating Magnets
- Whitley Strieber -
RERERENCE: Book- 'Communion' by Whitley Strieber, 1987 pages 116-117.
(QUOTE)Here is the story he(Whitley's boyhood friend) recounted.
When we were 13, I apparently announced to him that 'spacemen' had taught me how to build an antigravity machine, which I was constructing in my bedroom. This was in the summer of 1958.
I do not remember the genesis of this machine, but I certainly remember building it. There was no magic to the thing; it was only an assembly of electromagnets taken from old motors. The supposed antigravity effect was based on a principle of counterrotation.(UNQUOTE). The machine destoyed itself on the initial test run.
(QUOTE)I (Whitley) have subsequently discovered that there is a whole mythology of flying saucer technology, and a lot of it revolves around the concept of counter-rotating magnets.(UNQUOTE)
...another man, who was given detailed instructions about how to build a motor of this sort...remembered the design in 1985... He built this design (contra-rotating electromagnets) and was able to start his testing. During the initial test, all the metal objects in his barn were instantly pulled toward the machine, and he was knocked out by a flying auto engine!
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Quote from: Jdo300 on June 01, 2007, 03:16:24 AM
But it appears that the on time is the most important factor. I did a graph where I just increased the amplitude of the impulse wave but that only resulted in a linear increase of the induced B field. So, based on my rough visual analysis, It is clear that we want the shortest possible pulse.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
Good analysis! Basically I think we can say we want a pulse as
short,as
steep and as
high as we can possible get....
We don't need power in the pulse, we need change!
I was wondering how this ties in with the kicks that Steven is talking about. In my opnion the kick is probably the perfect example of the pulse we are after. It is extremely short lived and extremely steep........ but not very high in amplitude. But this is where the turbine effect is coming in. Every time we gain a little power of this kick (At the moment I'm not sure if this kick gets amplified by electronics or not; although the open TPU shows a tv flyback transformer that might just do that!!) we feed that back to create more powerful kicks. So slowly it picks up power....and if the electronics don't control the growth of these kicks we soon have a runaway tpu.....
Right?
regards
Robert
So we have a Tesla coil and pulse it. The radiant energy is very short high voltage pulses inside a very large magnetic field. I guess that comes under perturberance, eh? The tpu is on a smaller scale.
--giantkiller. How far down the rabbit hole can we go?
Here's another one for grins:
So If I have a coil running and fire a stun gun in the ring the perturberance of the field creates an energy pulse that fires at the speed of light through out the bigger field it is in and in and in and in and on and on.
This is totally magnificent. That is why Tesla could use a telegraph key to transmit the remote commands. Can you say 'Spark gap'?
Damn, it is so unbelievably free with no resistance.
The tpu is like a one note doorbell. If one were to put an intelligent protocol in the pulse stream, another tuned device could pick it up. Anywhere in the world...
--giantkiller.
On another note I am working on the premise of the 'many small wires perpendicular to the coil' instructions. The 2 large copper wires are 12awg ground lines.
I am probably the most dangerous guy in the neighborhood. But don't worry. The burn marks are from the propane torch I am using to solder. I am practicing for when I use copper pipe in my big tpu. The 2 copper runs will be rolled in a cylinder shape to be inserted down inside my tpus. I am producing Jason's 3 pulse ckt and expanding to do switchable to 4 pulse to be able to pulse GK4.
--giantkiller.
@Jdo300
Hi Jason,
Is there any way you can work out when the B field gets above the E field in your graphs.
Is it at a certain frequency?
It might well be that this is our treshold point......
regards
Robert
Guys, something of interest
http://home.att.net/~pldexnis/CTC2_how_it_works/blocking_oscillator.html
I think this may relate to SM's TV story, what if the resistor changed value, or the capacitor (the older ones were paper wrapped and usually failed? Just a thought.
Here is another link of interest
http://www.vias.org/eltransformers/lee_electronic_transformers_11_01.html
In our basic thinking we believe that in order to have a bigger impact against a destination that we must use more power and that we, ourselves, must produce that power. How cro-magnon, eh?. Tesla proved over and over again that this is just not true. His patents have sparkgaps all throughout them. Why? He used the nuclear reactance of that explosion to do the work. And that, my friends, is the free part.
Just look at what John Hutchison does with 2 Tesla coils and a handheld transducer. He alters matters weight, location, and physical properties. Say 'What?'.
What if you don't have a spark gap? Extremely short, and I mean short, pulse widths with fast rise and fall times act the same way. The phase cancellation I achieved in the GK4 using square waves did just this. In my first tests I saw no sparks. And that is ok. The sparks are just a visual indication. I felt the kicks emminating from the coil. That tells me I have the virtual spark gaps from extremely short pulse widths with fast rise and fall times . The energy left the coil at an extremely high rate of speed. Faster than the copper could react so it shoots out to the next conductor that can handle that speed along one of the Poynting vectors.
Now the 3 frequencies I used were adjusted haphazardly and to certain electronic devices that could be construed as a confusing stream of intelligent protocol, noise at the right frequency. And thereby causing operational problems in the destination device. An EMP as a transmission and not as a power pulse. The magnetic pulse rides the radiant energy pulse like a bullet in a box car.
--giantkiller. It's extremely economical...
SM said there was AC in the Tpu , but wasn't sure where it came from. After much reading and and playing around with coils and magnetic Fields I've come to a realization. The TPU has what Steve calls bailing wire. the wire is wrapped in a horseshoe fashion ( U shaped or in the case of the TPU C shaped ), What happens here is the magfeild and current only runs through the wire and stops have way through and reverses (this is AC ) all generators work on this principal. I can see where this might be a catalyst in the operation of the TPU. Pulsing the magnetic Field will give you the AC effect , opposite the copper Field , this I call the pump effect. when the current is stopped in the iron field the BEMF is shot back wards and in doing this it pulls electrons from the copper Field and loss of flux creates a B Field @ 90 degrees. Bringing the current turned on in the Iron Field again fluxes the Field and in the copper Field the current starts flowing again (pump has occurred. then it repeats in each cycle, Kicks- if the kick is to high we just get big kicks nothing happens no flow or very little. the mag Field flux needs to be smoothed out so it is at the same flux path as the copper flux path in unison. now i can see why GK was talking about the gap in his experiments , I had said something about this way back in early threads but it may be moot as thinking it is a spark gap but think of it as an electron B Field starting point as it begins to form a chane the electrons at a slant (usually 45 Dr to the copper field , this is the Field out side and around the TPU - skin effect) When Steve put a magnet close to the TPU the mag flux paths were 90 degrees to the coils and the small magnet changes the path so it flowed back along the length of the wire thus the flow started again in the right direction ( at some point when the TPU gets up to working energy the mag field sets up 90 degrees to the wire the magnets just reailines the path- Hot spot if not changed, this is real evident in the LMD & TEM circuit -Tesla ) Yes GK i agree with you on the spark gap some electrons need to be realeased from the coils and a gap is a good way to control the runaway current.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 02, 2007, 12:19:38 AM
On another note I am working on the premise of the 'many small wires perpendicular to the coil' instructions. The 2 large copper wires are 12awg ground lines.
Wow, you went there. 8)
I thought of this many times but dismissed it for some reason. Let us know how it works out.
Quote from: Pegasus on June 01, 2007, 12:47:58 PM
Taken from: http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper3.html
Seems it explain the sucking effect of the explosion of the TV set told by SM.....
Regards,
Pegasus
ContraRotating Magnets
- Whitley Strieber -
RERERENCE: Book- 'Communion' by Whitley Strieber, 1987 pages 116-117.
(QUOTE)Here is the story he(Whitley's boyhood friend) recounted.
When we were 13, I apparently announced to him that 'spacemen' had taught me how to build an antigravity machine, which I was constructing in my bedroom. This was in the summer of 1958.
I do not remember the genesis of this machine, but I certainly remember building it. There was no magic to the thing; it was only an assembly of electromagnets taken from old motors. The supposed antigravity effect was based on a principle of counterrotation.(UNQUOTE). The machine destoyed itself on the initial test run.
(QUOTE)I (Whitley) have subsequently discovered that there is a whole mythology of flying saucer technology, and a lot of it revolves around the concept of counter-rotating magnets.(UNQUOTE)
...another man, who was given detailed instructions about how to build a motor of this sort...remembered the design in 1985... He built this design (contra-rotating electromagnets) and was able to start his testing. During the initial test, all the metal objects in his barn were instantly pulled toward the machine, and he was knocked out by a flying auto engine!
HOLY CRAP! I wonder what the second guy's name was.
Hi Rich,
Whitley sounds like a last name not first name.
Its an interesting story though.
I have been thinking:
To create two counter rotating fields you could use two decade counters driven by two oscillators. The decade output could feed a mosfet driver, then mosfet.Ã, The outputs from the two decades may need to be "OR"ed before they feed each of the mosfet drivers.
The mosfets drive the ten coils around the collector cables.
Ten coils should give enough resolution - small increments (36 degrees of rotation each).
If your two oscillators produce a sine wave output you could use a high speed comparator and potentiometer coupled to 10 AND gates for each comparator outout to create a variable duty cycle.
You may find the output from the decade is only active while the sine wave potential is above a certain level, but I would need to check the spec. sheets.
If the oscillators are closely match in freq. but not quite then you should get a second rotation occuring owing to the 2 x rotation collisions from the freq. offset. Maybe the collision rotation speed is important?
I'm playing with DDS function generators at the moment and they are amazing, forget messing with R-C oscillators these are something else.
DDS 20 from ELV shop in Germany:
http://shop.elv.de/output/controller.aspx?cid=74&detail=10&detail2=6325
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elv-downloads.de%2Fbilder%2Fartikel%2F47138.jpg&hash=8d092cbd16d51451b294458541067c3b3bee3ac8)
Could do with some help from Stefan with the German translation of the user manual.
It has something called a "wobblefunktion" which I take as being the sweep function between two frequencies.
Rob
Whitley Streiber is an author. Very well known. He's written the howling series, communinion, etc. He's had several books made into movies.
The communion story is an account of his history of abduction. I'm surprised you've never heard of him. He was unaware of it most of his life, but he had a cabin in upstate NY, and it started happening again, at which time, he recalled his childhood history as well.
You don't have to believe any of it. But the guy is a real guy, and his name is actually Whitley.
The second story is what interested me. The one about all metal stuff in the guy's shop being attracted to the device.
Rich
Moving right along we have the GKMTC1 sporting the latest TPU apparel, the 'many small wires' ensemble. The fit is impeccable. The lines sleek. This has got to be the fashion statement for the new millenium.
I will test this in the next session. Looks like my size math was right on. This will fit in the GK4 with a tighter rollup. As usual this design has flexible configurability. Maybe this will show the validity of the 'many small wires' statement. That is the only reason I built this. If I get additional anomolous results then that will be better. Now that some of us have gotten voltage kicks this should produce current from those, yes?
My next controller build will test the statement 'circuit in the middle' to see if that is really necessary. We do know that the diode, capacitor, inductor, resistor function can be gotten from the coils themselves which can alleviate any discreet components. Maybe that is what is meant by the 'control is in the coil'. That is how I see words being twisted around.
--giantkiller. I gotta crash now. Till next time, Avocado.
@giantkiller .. looks crispy .. should invite us to dinner some time. heheh ;D
on a serious note .. how r u going to pulse the rig?
devilzangel
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Thar be real power in them thar skies, me buckos! Argh!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid353537750?bclid=353505857&bctid=353579033
--giantkiler.
Hi GK,
You should take up basket weaving!
Only it looks like a bolt of lightning has hit your basket already ;)
I too would like to know how you are going to get a rotational pulse going or are you just testing the effect of a uni-directional current?
Most other tests involve the pulse coil being wrapped around the collector, but I think this will achieve the same effect.
Regards
Rob
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Dansway brought it to my attention that nobody has tested the 'many small wires perpendicular to the collector' operation. So here is an attempt at one configuration.
This beast has many configurations for connections. I just have to decide. The Helmholtz, the collectors, the controls, the hcoils windings, 3 segments, and now the MSW set.
I have a control ckt that does 3 and 4 segments. But it is not the overlapping sequence control I am looking for.
I will use my old controller to fire it up and see what happens.
--giantkiller.
:P Sorry.
Hi GK:
I have put together a small coil to test out what will show up as well. Simply just a coil and a bunch of 90degree #26 coils. Found a few simple tricks to produce a short pulse to hit the main coil with. Will see what transpires. Will be tieing the small coils into a series/paralell set. Kind of thinking that using a 10 MHZ signal and then counting the pulses via cmos and then triggering off of number n pulse to a mosfet driver yada yada may well get really short. Possibly nano seconds in length? Can cmos handle that?
sugra
Quote from: sugra on June 04, 2007, 12:14:37 AM
Hi GK:
I have put together a small coil to test out what will show up as well. Simply just a coil and a bunch of 90degree #26 coils. Found a few simple tricks to produce a short pulse to hit the main coil with. Will see what transpires. Will be tieing the small coils into a series/paralell set. Kind of thinking that using a 10 MHZ signal and then counting the pulses via cmos and then triggering off of number n pulse to a mosfet driver yada yada may well get really short. Possibly nano seconds in length? Can cmos handle that?
sugra
Electronically there might be problems. At the Radiant energy level it is a good test. The shorter the pulse always better and the more the better. I saw gigahertz swatches on my analog scope, patches of green. Way too fast for the timimg circuits to slow down and trigger. I caught them by the scope triggering on the acceptable levels of the incoming signal. I have also seen very high speed vertical scans running through a timing sweep of the main signals. I have posted all this. All those extravagant posts are coming back around.
So if you got a test bench then just keep on going. I am reluctant to go too complicated now. But I have got alot of objects in place now for testing. It really does boil down to a 555 or a signal gen. I expect that very soon I will turn on a coil and see it jump. Up to this point I have posted all the positive results I have achieved.
My test last night was definate proof of the short pulse. I pulsed only the HHcoils on the GKMTC1 in parallel with a +12v dc 22.2khz signal. And guess what? on MSW coil I got 4.75 volts dc. Turn the freq plus or minus and the 90 dr coupling goes away. Shades of minor unity. The coil is a hybrid complexity but I can use it in a simple form.
As far as fast signals go. There is an easier way. 2 signal sources in line with 2 5w 10ohm resistors in line with the coil. The phase cancellation will allow you to get very hi very short pulses. Or 2 resistors in line with 2 coils and both coils tied together at the other end. or the 2 resistors at the other end of the coils tied together. See? The 30awg wire really reacts radically with this set up.
Use the GK4 setup to check this out. LOTR 1:2. Almost looks like Gospel, eh?
Also: at the radiant energy level, all components become dead shorts accept capacitors, which act like storage. That is why no one can attach components to capture the kicks. The Poynting vectors are lined up at incorrent angles. Remember way back when the 90 dr coupling was scoffed at?
And don't forget, the faster the rise and fall time then higher the frequency hence the higher the reactance of the copper beyond what is safe. Been there done that. Be safe. Micro power levels of high RF and microwave openly right on the bench.
Sugra, Thanks for the focus post. And congrats on the 90 dr coupling. It is good to have another trying. No test is small. I thought so about my test last night. But I confered with Cavetronics. Things are good.
Very high frequencies = very short pulses = fast rise and fall time. It is that simple. That is the bottom line tpu answer.
--giantkiller. How big is your spark gap? Kicks are for geeks.
There are 2 types of tpus. The one that incorporates a mechanical means and one that is frequency driven. There are a number of mechanical ones that have the same inherent mechanism and that is magnetic field shearing. The frequency driven tpu uses very fast rise and fall times which the mechanical one can not even come close to. The mechanical method has numerous differing materials. The frequency driven tpu can be gotten with copper and iron like in the GK4. One can get dangerous results while mixing frequencies. This also produces magnetic field shearing across the 3 wound layers with the bucking controllers and 2 or more frequencies. And it is extremely economical to produce.
--giantkiller.
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@All, when you get past a certain point of pattern connections in your thinking process you realize what things you cannot experiment with and what things you cannot talk about. For those who want the tpu answer upfront: You'd be dead by now. I am now fully aware of the power of what I know. I don't have the total tpu package yet. But I have become a very dangerous thinker. So the small tests are great tests. They keep the limits in place.
This is complete BS. Nobody here is a stranger to safety precautions, and nobody given proper safety warnings and precaution would replicate without them. Personally, I think it is an insult to the entire group to assume we're too stupid or irresponsible, or negligent to take safety under advisement. And I also think the safety concerns are a convenient shield to hide behind. If this is how everyone is going to approach this thing then there is no point. The last thing I want to be part of is a group of little mannix/sm hint dropping clones.
We either are or arent trying to accomplish this thing. We either are, or are not working as a group. We either are or are not standing on each-others shoulders in doing this. If after all my input, someone develops anything, and refuses to report findings based on "safety" concerns, I won't give any more input.
No man is an island in this project. Everybody has learned from everyone else.
pathetic.
gn0stik. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
Maybe blessings on another day.
--unknown.
Battle strategies?
This ain't some kind of damn video game.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 04, 2007, 04:46:07 PM
I really don't know why but there is a huge spate of destructive talk propagating through alot of these threads as of lately.
@gnosis,
It was yours and my conversation that lead me to understanding of the phase cancellation in the GK4. Thank you for the insight. After that I truely understood what was being generated.
OBTW: There have been other people hurt doing experiments who didn't want to be named. I report the dangers for a reason. Seems as though many of us are heading into strange territory.
--giantkiller. I respectfully request 'Cease and desist'. Battle strategies are not in place at this time.
Great, glad I could help. Thing is, I'm not asking for names. People can stay anonymous if they like to. I feel bad that they were hurt. The thing about the TPU is, nobody knew what it could do to them, before it did it to them. I know it's dangerous. I know what it can do. I won't be reaching inside the ring, I won't trying to watch the pretty RF discharges. Oh, and I'm not being destructive. I'm trying to be CONstructive. Thats why we had that conversation in the first place. Glad you could do something with it. Glad it benefitted you, too bad it can't benefit anyone else.
Now, there are do's and don'ts with the TPU, if you are a serious player here.
One don't is, don't stick your hand in the center of the ring, or even over the center of it. Another one, is stay the heck away from the leads when the unit is in operation.
Another one, is INCLUDE kill switches, and/or fuses. Another thing, is don't EVER get too comfortable around it. It BITES! Sometimes not so obviously. It can cook too. If there's anything else to add to the list, then please do.
Then document. Or don't, but if you don't, don't come here telling everyone that you know how to build a TPU. If you have to not talk about it. DON'T TALK.
One day, someone will come and biuld, and verify, and document. I don't have battle strategies in place either. I'm not doing battle with anyone.
I'm just tired of all the status, and jockeying for position around here. It's not a damn contest.
As I said, if this is going to be how it is. I won't be giving any more insights.
If every man is to be an island, then call me barbados, as I prefer my islands quiet, with hot sand, sun, a bit of rum now and then, and NO demeaning assumptions about me or my comrades.
Perhaps Jamaica, I DO like reggae.
Rich
double post
Onward.
Quote from the book 'Tesla, Master of lightning':
There is reason to believe that the so-called 'woodpecker' signal, a low-frequency transmission emmanating from Latvia in the late 1970s, was a Soviet global weather experiment.
--giantkiller.
To All:
As I am not really a hard hitter here, I am reluctant to post some of my feelings. Sometimes I feel what I have to say is not worth the bandwidth. I may find that it is just the complete opposite. This befalls many a forum and soon results in the demise of it. This started out as an idea based on some film clips. It has come so far from where it started. I still remember the look on the faces of three students here at the university. I was given a couple of hours play time in the electronics lab. I proved 90 degree coupleing in a coil. They could not accept the fact it happened and with a gain of 3 as well
Anyhow what I would like to ask if its ok is to have all of us adopt some sort of standard of the way we do things. If you do an experiment, no matter what it is as long as it follows along with what we are doing, post it and all the parameters with results. I think a new thread just for it should be made say LOTR-EXP or something such to label it. When one is working in a research facility, there are strict guide lines by which they proceed. Above all, open and up front for us all to see and muse on and add to, change and redo. That makes it easy to progress forward.
Hope a flame suit is not in order for this post but really had to say it.
sugra
I have cleaned the post parts that were disagreeable with some. Now what I would like to know is what part of those posts are incorrect in the areas of electronic or physics. If any should be found I will delete those parts also. I am intent on keeping this thread true to the sciences. Also if any parts strike fear in the hearts of men, make women faint or children cry I will gladly evict those parts also. Until this thread is void if need be...
--giantkiller. Servanthood is the best choice.
Quote from: sugra on June 04, 2007, 06:18:20 PM
To All:
As I am not really a hard hitter here, I am reluctant to post some of my feelings. Sometimes I feel what I have to say is not worth the bandwidth. I may find that it is just the complete opposite. This befalls many a forum and soon results in the demise of it. This started out as an idea based on some film clips. It has come so far from where it started. I still remember the look on the faces of three students here at the university. I was given a couple of hours play time in the electronics lab. I proved 90 degree coupleing in a coil. They could not accept the fact it happened and with a gain of 3 as well
Anyhow what I would like to ask if its ok is to have all of us adopt some sort of standard of the way we do things. If you do an experiment, no matter what it is as long as it follows along with what we are doing, post it and all the parameters with results. I think a new thread just for it should be made say LOTR-EXP or something such to label it. When one is working in a research facility, there are strict guide lines by which they proceed. Above all, open and up front for us all to see and muse on and add to, change and redo. That makes it easy to progress forward.
Hope a flame suit is not in order for this post but really had to say it.
sugra
Hi Sugra,
I agree with you 100%. As much as us FE people like to talk criticize the scientific community, I personally commend them for their rigorous and standardized documentation and peer review. I think the simplest way we can do this is to follow the scientific method. I was taught this waay back in Middle school. When we do our TPU experiments, it would be simple to do a lab report on our findings. And for the format? easy:
1. Problem/Question
2. Hypothesis
3. Test procedure
4. Observations/Data
5. Conclusion.
This is the simplest way to proceed and it will show enough information for anyone who reads it to replicate the results. This is the BIGGEST problem I have seen with people here on the forum. Lots of ideas, and lots of cool tests, but little to no documentation. If everyone here would simply document their findings, there wouldn't be so many newbies doing repeat experiments. Also, there have been many good experiments that have been lost/forgotten in the threads because of no information in one coherent location.
RIght now, I am building a tube test station. Once I finish it, I will publish a PDF file with full specs, build plans, photos, and data to show the output waveforms. That way anyone who wants to play with tubes can make one. It makes no sense that we all have to run around looking for 50 different ways to do the same thing when there are plenty of us out there who have done it. Improving these issues will streamline our productivity as a group and help us reach our goals much faster.
God Bless,
Jason O
YEP .. agree .. there is already a scientific method in place .. as Jdo300 says. .. and documentation is a very important part of it.
I also very much believe in not reinventing the wheel.
devilzangel
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Quote from: sugra on June 04, 2007, 06:18:20 PM
To All:
As I am not really a hard hitter here, I am reluctant to post some of my feelings. Sometimes I feel what I have to say is not worth the bandwidth. I may find that it is just the complete opposite. This befalls many a forum and soon results in the demise of it. This started out as an idea based on some film clips. It has come so far from where it started. I still remember the look on the faces of three students here at the university. I was given a couple of hours play time in the electronics lab. I proved 90 degree coupleing in a coil. They could not accept the fact it happened and with a gain of 3 as well
Anyhow what I would like to ask if its ok is to have all of us adopt some sort of standard of the way we do things. If you do an experiment, no matter what it is as long as it follows along with what we are doing, post it and all the parameters with results. I think a new thread just for it should be made say LOTR-EXP or something such to label it. When one is working in a research facility, there are strict guide lines by which they proceed. Above all, open and up front for us all to see and muse on and add to, change and redo. That makes it easy to progress forward.
Hope a flame suit is not in order for this post but really had to say it.
sugra
Quote from: sugra on June 04, 2007, 06:18:20 PM
To All:
As I am not really a hard hitter here, I am reluctant to post some of my feelings. Sometimes I feel what I have to say is not worth the bandwidth. I may find that it is just the complete opposite. This befalls many a forum and soon results in the demise of it. This started out as an idea based on some film clips. It has come so far from where it started. I still remember the look on the faces of three students here at the university. I was given a couple of hours play time in the electronics lab. I proved 90 degree coupleing in a coil. They could not accept the fact it happened and with a gain of 3 as well
Anyhow what I would like to ask if its ok is to have all of us adopt some sort of standard of the way we do things. If you do an experiment, no matter what it is as long as it follows along with what we are doing, post it and all the parameters with results. I think a new thread just for it should be made say LOTR-EXP or something such to label it. When one is working in a research facility, there are strict guide lines by which they proceed. Above all, open and up front for us all to see and muse on and add to, change and redo. That makes it easy to progress forward.
Hope a flame suit is not in order for this post but really had to say it.
sugra
Ditto.
I agree, wholeheartedly.
A standard that people go by.
No bounce, no play.
If we're not sharing out most relevent research, why share anything. The rest is just lip service.
Nice list Jason, I like.
I am trying to compile Otto's posts into something coherent as we speak, I liked your suggestion before in the master thread.
@GK, thanks, but I wasn't offended by your words, it was the attitude behind them. I think you are an exceptional researcher, and a very "nose to the grindstone" type of student. I appreciate that. But it's all for nothing, when cast in the "for your own good, I withhold" light, that the govt, likes to shine on us. We're big kids. We can handle it. And ya know what? If someone loses a finger, it'll only happen once.
Regards all.
Rich
For those of you who didn't benefit from that conversation.
SM talks about sending two curents down a wire at the same time, in different directions.
What happens when you have two pulses going down a coil at the same time? In one direction they add right? In opposite directions, do they cancel? Well, yes and no.
The pulses have a polarity, they are opposite as both are fired in different directions. As they pass each-other, think of the polarities. You get a positive and a negative passing each-other at two points along the wire. As they reach the same spot in a wire, what do you get?
Well, what do you get when you take say, a battery, and Ohhh, I dunno, a set of jumper cables, then touch the positive and negative terminals together for a brief moment? (sound familiar?)
You get a short. (and a kick)
Now referring back to Tao's (I think he's got it, do you think he knows?) post, he says "you stop the current before it can reach the end of the wire", but how can one do that? Hmmmmm??????
Food for thought. So, there ya go.
Rich
Quote from: gn0stik on June 04, 2007, 07:18:17 PM
Now referring back to Tao's (I think he's got it, do you think he knows?) post, he says "you stop the current before it can reach the end of the wire", but how can one do that? Hmmmmm??????
Food for thought. So, there ya go.
Rich
i think (and some of the R&D peeps may have already thought on this line of thought) thats what the rotating mag field is used for (if we cant physically stop the current when it reaches a point, we can create the same effect via weaving multiple frequencies in such a way as to create a short .. but those shorts are rotating around the coil, thus the turbine affect... it is like creating a steady domino effect of the kicks in circles .. kind of like the Escher staircase.
u know, sometimes if u view a rotating wheel, and when it gets to a certain frequency (RPM), it will LOOK like it is spinning the other way??
devilzangel
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ding ding ding ding ding....
You got it boss. That's exactly correct. The shorts take place in successively different physical locations around the ring. Hence you get large magnetic waves expanding and collapsing with very, very short rise and fall times.
However, Otto's work seems like it's the way to go for now, and I'm not sure how he's approaching this.
Also, it could work by pulsing in the same direction as well, you wouldn't have to pulse it in opposite directions. Same direction you would get a single short per combined cycle, instead of two. If you follow my meaning. Just visualize the polarities.
So this translates to what Otto is doing as well.
Regards,
Rich
Sweet referred to "rapidly changing impedence"...
Also, you can time the repetition rate of the pulses to make them process or precess (rotate) in CW or CCW direction.
Wouldn't pulsing in opposite direction with opposite polarity cancel the signal briefly when the pulses pass each other - like you opened the circuit very quickly? - wouldn't this cause a rapid change in impedence?
Passing pulses look just like a differentiated square wave (for an instant) and then they would cancel and then pulse again unless you stopped them (first attachement):
Two waves travelling in opposite directions create a standing wave - cancels and then reforms
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html
(second attachment)
Good point Grumpy, I hadn't looked at this from the impedance standpoint, perhaps this is exactly what Floyd was talking about. Now, I have to absorb this into my thinking about it.
What do you have when you have an impedance that cannot be matched? A very flexible system, no doubt. What other properties might a system like this display? Interesting.
I want to make something clear however. This is nothing that I or GK came up with, rather, it's something that we perceived, together.I believe it to be one of the processes that must be taking place in the TPU, as it explains a lot, and I believe whether you are pulsing in the same or opposite direction, or timing them carefully, you will achieve the same effect to one degree or another. However, it stands to reason that if you time them just right, you will get much more pronounced results.
Also, about my earlier rant, I'm over it, and I hope GK is as well, we're both philly boys, and I know he can handle it, us boys from the city of brotherly love generally have tough skin and say what we think.
Now to make something clear, just because it's not specifically mentioned, in a specific device that may, or may not be working. Does not mean it is, or is not happening. I'm having a hard time trying to covey my meaning here. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I have no idea how fundamental to a working TPU this may be.
In Jason's video with the single coil, he posted today, he used only ONE signal and got very interesting results.
So, it very well may be, and probably IS a combination of unconventional approaches that make this thing work. Which would be why it's so hard to back engineer.
A researcher here may try one aspect such as this, and it doesn't work, so they abandon it in favor of something else.
I've seen this countless times since I've been here. And things get revisited from time to time.
The only difference with this idea as compared to others, is that it came directly from SM's messages, to the workbench (or garage floor, like me), to a logical transformation to what it is now, on GK's workbench.
At any rate, as I said, I think people should be trying to replicate Otto's results, as this is just an idea that is a small PART of what may be happening inside the TPU. His research already, in my opinion, incorporates this.
Regards,
Rich
By the way, Tesla used two tesla oscillators of different frequencies to produce ball lightning by shorting the hgih freq one to the low freq one - dumping the impedence in an instant and releasing the full power of the slower freq oscillator.
There are two trains of thought to explain the effects - that of Tesla's RE and Dave Lowrance's OU in copper - which have to be related - perhaps at the proton level. Either way - it is the rate of change that imparts the effect.
Hi all:
Just off the bench with a new experiment. It has been making me wonder just what is the grounds for the power generation. The combining of say two or more signals together to generate a kick for lack of a better word. Two signals of 20v p/p 180 out of phase should generate a signal of 40v p/p. But I just did the experiment and recieved 80v. It has enough power behind it to dimly light a 125v 20w bulb. That is only with the output of two signal gens forceing a signal from only the positive side into a bifilar coil. the other coil is to the bulb. Both gen negatives left off. This allows me to force two seperate signals from oposite ends of the coil to meet in the middle. As I was tuning through the different frequencies, I was amazed at the way some of it would combine or cancel out. A great ride.
Not sure this has much relavant meaning but think so. Wish I had a third gen but for now will keep at it with two. I am going to hook up now using a pair of fets and trigger directly off the signal gens as their output is about 10v. I will be posting its outcome later in the day or tomorrow. Need to go for a walk and ponder this a while. That is when I do my best thinking.
sugra
Sugra, interesting, so were you using sine, or square waves?
@sugra,
3 square waves! I took a walk for a week and half way past pondering into shock and awe! Just be careful with what flies over head. And it depends on how complex your coil is.
3 square waves! The most amazing high speed display on your scope. Get witnesses. I didn't have any and that lessens the experience with not having anybody to tell locally.
Oops...
Posting here only wreaks havoc. Is what I posted first.
Posting here only, wreaks havoc. Is what I meant.
Pressing one wrong button can precipitate our end.
Follow the LOTR1:2 specs with full frequency sweep way past 1mhz. Be safe.
Thanks for the confirmation on the 90 degree coupling. It took me by surprise too as it did alot of others when I posted.
Otto's new picture also shows 3 square wave frequencies all tied together at the end.
--giantkiller.
@ rich:
Square waves that became sine that became a mess. At that point it locked state and would put power to the bulb. Slightly off and it would unsinc and quit output. By the way, I was not using the analog meter to register volts but amps. Voltage showed on the scope.
@ GK
I actually only used two frequencies for that test. The whole thing I was looking for was the reverse interaction between the two signals. I got it and some. Now how to do that with a single batt, hmmm. Already toasted a fet. No output. Still playing. Signal gens will go up to 1.2 and 2.2 mhz. Still crawling. This was standard transformer coupling. Nothing wired at 90 degrees yet. Thats next.
sugra
These are 1/2" 'Home Depot' disc magnets. The compass would normally point vertical, towards the top of the images. The North face of all magnets point towards the compass.
One lone magnet at the bottom, (not pictured,) will balance the Earths field at about 4_25/32", center-to-center. When the compass points East, or West, all the North fields are in balance, (remembering the Earths constant 1T from the top.)
As expected, the strength doubles with ever smaller increments moving towards the magnet. At 4T I had a hard time preventing the influence of the compass needle from rotating the magnet.
All magnets are freely resting on the surface. The black paper-tape is there just to keep them from rolling away before I could snap a photo.
That was fun. (I am such a geek.) :D
Rich,
here is how you do it.
The length of the wire depends on the pulse width. See attached XLS file for
automatic calculation.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: gn0stik on June 04, 2007, 07:18:17 PM
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Now referring back to Tao's (I think he's got it, do you think he knows?) post, he says "you stop the current before it can reach the end of the wire", but how can one do that? Hmmmmm?????? ................
Rich
I am talking about wings and sonic booms here.
All of the tpus have no lumps on the outside only machinations on the inside and nothing located in dead center!
The wing is the rotating magnetic field. How do we create a sonic or magnetic boom? Just stick some aluminium in the way. This causes deflection and compression of the wave as it tries to swing past the ALuminium. The compression is the high speed flux and the vaccum at the non-turbulant side is the slow side. This causes dissymmetry in the normally radially equal field, hence the high interaction that equals the high flux interference, no? You speed that rotation up and flux compression is huge. The aluminium in the way can also cause the flux to break away from the ring itself, yes? The Helmholtz simulator showed the virtual toriod field created in space. The aluminium in the way actually enables the sonic boom as an interference in the traveling field path. See? Now what if we had many of these per second? Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom. Kinda looks like cannon balls, eh?
So the ALuminium rings on the GKMTC1 shot energy out of the sides. Why? Because the toroidal field was under pressure from top and bottom. This leads to extra force at the sides and the field wants to be spherical. The flux force shoots from the center or the ring outward and hits no resistance at the edge of the ALuminium rings. At the high speed pulsing I have an edge on high frequency transmitter, no? I felt the energy.
If you want to try the heated ion flow just stick an 'in cup coffee heater' or a blow dryer through the ring.
I took a little break from building and glad I did. I will upgrade my existing controller with another 556 and a 7406 inverter. I will heat a piece of aluminium with a torch an just stick in the GKMTC1 while it is running. We'll see what it does. KISS and HUG. Huh? Keep It Simple Stupid and Holding Under Grace.
--giantkiller. Just a little different perspective.
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Quote from GK;
How do we create a sonic or magnetic boom?
Stephan Marinov's MAGVID produces a rotating magnetic field inside the magnetic field of a DC solenoid coil. AT about 30 MHZ it produced an output beam of light like a pulsar. Probably burn a hole in your ceiling...
A visual of the earth's magnetic field.
It's very cool to watch the waves move - and the relative long distance between them.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2034019524
Description: Time-Lapse of gravity wave action from the Tama, Iowa on May 6, 2007 To quote some one much smarter than I, "A gravity wave is a vertical wave. The best example I can think of in describing what a gravity wave looks like is to think of a rock being thrown into a pond. Ripples or circles migrate from the point the rock hits the water. An up and down motion is created. With increasing distance from the point where the rock hit the water, the waves becomes less defined (the waves are dampening). Now let's look at what a gravity wave is in the atmosphere. To start a gravity wave, a TRIGGER mechanism must cause the air to be displaced in the vertical. Examples of trigger mechanisms that produce gravity waves are mountains and thunderstorm updrafts. To generate a gravity wave, the air must be forced to rise in STABLE air. Why? Because if air rises in unstable air it will continue to rise and will NOT create a wave pattern. If air is forced to rise up in stable air, the natural tendency will be for the air to sink back down over time (usually because the parcel forced to rise is colder than the environment). The momentum of the air imparted by the trigger mechanism will force the parcel to rise and the stability of the atmosphere will force the parcel of air to sink after it rises (you have now undergone the first steps into creating a wave)..."
howdy folks : I ment to post this a while back , some one asked where i got the flat copper roll I posted photos of. It is foil used in stained glass fabrication. I had a feww rolls laying around from my art studio , it comes in diffrent sizes too and has glue on the back or just leave the paper seperator on it. Have fun makeing flat mobius coils from it. Mike ----it likes real high frq's tooooo and you can get it to float on high RF @ Eral most of us don't have EXL would it be hard to post in PDF format ,,,mmmmm ? thanks
:)
Quote from: Grumpy on June 07, 2007, 12:56:41 PM
Stephan Marinov's MAGVID produces a rotating magnetic field inside the magnetic field of a DC solenoid coil. AT about 30 MHZ it produced an output beam of light like a pulsar. Probably burn a hole in your ceiling...
Grumpy,
I hadn't heard that before. Where did you find that?
It sounds amazing... ;) And also like the odd "scalar beam" some people says looks like a beam of light shooting out of the top of their device.
Eldarion
Quote from: giantkiller on June 07, 2007, 12:24:50 PM
I am talking about wings and sonic booms here.
All of the tpus have no lumps on the outside only machinations on the inside and nothing located in dead center!
The wing is the rotating magnetic field. How do we create a sonic or magnetic boom? Just stick some aluminium in the way. This causes deflection and compression of the wave as it tries to swing past the ALuminium. The compression is the high speed flux and the vaccum at the non-turbulant side is the slow side. This causes dissymmetry in the normally radially equal field, hence the high interaction that equals the high flux interference, no? You speed that rotation up and flux compression is huge. The aluminium in the way can also cause the flux to break away from the ring itself, yes? The Helmholtz simulator showed the virtual toriod field created in space. The aluminium in the way actually enables the sonic boom as an interference in the traveling field path. See? Now what if we had many of these per second? Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom. Kinda looks like cannon balls, eh?
thats what i think also. it reshapes the mag field like they do on the sun .. it creates a drag on the field in the path of the block.
@all .. dont know if that gravity wave vid summary is a good explanation .. what the site uses for explanation sounds very much like weather cold draft .. the vid looks nice though.
devilzangel
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Quote from: Motorcoach1 on June 07, 2007, 07:38:29 PM
@ Eral most of us don't have EXL would it be hard to post in PDF format ,,,mmmmm ? thanks
Hi MC,
I think what you meant to type is:
Earl most of us don't have XLS would it be hard to post in PDF format ,,,mmmmm ? thanks.
I attach a screen shot of the spreadsheet calculator showing what it does.
The office suite OPEN OFFICE is free of charge and will accept XLS files.
- If you only have a modem connection, then ask someone on this forum in your country to burn you a CD with OpenOffice on it and mail it to you.
- If someone wants a version saved in OpenOffice format, I can upload a spreadsheet saved in OpenOffice format. Just ask.
IMPORTANT
The previous version was locked and could not be used, so please delete this older version and then download this corrected version.Regards, Earl
Hi All,
here is a screen shot of my spreadsheet calculator.
Regards, Earl
:)
I will post about Ronnotes & Otto's latest coil here in case this post turns out to be wrong and the new coil is correct. I would not want to dirty the parade.
The input specs compared to the GK4 test on Jan 03- 07 are the same.
If you remove everything except the power supply and the bulb you get a closed circuit. I tried that with a 100w bulb against my truck battery. You get a red filament.
I am sure that when all the 3 frequencies are in phase there will be more power. They connect at the power supply. Would stand to reason when the frequencies are just right the amperage goes up. Also out of control coil resonance there would be more amperage. The coils look like dead shorts to ground.
As far as the mobius hookup goes the GK4 was 3 layers. This new coil is one. That does produce anomolies.
Both coils exhibit 90 coupling. By now we all know that works. One frequency works. I went over board with a stun gun to prove that.
The new coil secondary, using 30awg, turns length per segment is about 5" of 471 turns. 3 of these will fit on the 6" coil length of 18.84 inches with a gap of 1.2 inches in between. Without measuring, the primary of 26awg will fit also.
But wait! the spec mentions 24 - 18 awg. That constitues a change in mass.
(same weight of primary and secondary coils) How could this be possible then?
One would have to change the specs of the primary.
Now here is an interesting note:
The 6 and 4 are at a verticle angled height. Which ironically is the cone shape coil. This is Telsa's favorite and also produces the heighest COP. But with 12v driver this new coil arrangement needs to get more power from somewhere for the distance. In the GK4, every coil was butted up against everyone else. I had major coupling no matter how I looked at it or for that matter how it was hooked up.
But the most redeeming factor is the collectors of 1 turn. That equates to an incrediblely fast winding job. Rosphere has us beat with his motorize window shade coil winder of science. :D What is funny is that before everybody would grab huge spools and make huge coils in an instant. This new coil is incredibly simple and fast to make, yet we wait. :D
Looks like the horseshoe shaped one does exist. For the life of me I can't find that pic. It is a 15" and black with the control box in the center.
In looking at alot the posts I saw the you can drive this with almost anything. I have BJTs set up instead of FETs so I will try those.
I ,for one, see the need for an anomolous action here. I am not a doubting Thomas but am very curious as to what we are to see from out of the box here.
I hope we learn a great deal from the next new coil presentation.
--giantkiller.
Once you understand the mechanism - it will all be simple and make sense.
So, GK, step out of the box for a minute and ask yourself - what would be the simplest explanation - that instanious thought - what is it?
ok then we get back to primaries and secodaries 2 windings = amplfiers or transformers simplfly - Ottos ring is unique in it's form . this is uncommon in the electric feild other than the gap. i can see the smaller ring as the antenna and reciver in RF the outer feild being the amplifer. in acustics this might be true i this applacation i'm sure that Esa may look at this but may not comuicate about this fact. but it is a fact i the square furmula. I see it very interesting that the ring is in the center , I would have thought that it would be on the out side and be collective. vraitable. I saw this ring configuratio in a situation that needed so help so as the wire was exactly on top of each other , but in flat wind as Tesla did it it was beside each other flat to flat , i belive the 90 degree effet was to off set the 108 D effect to get the 45 d in the 3 factor occilation. the calibration of AG unit to the 1 to 2 windings is stright as in Teslas fourumla . @ GK yes the copper tube has a great findi this senareo how observent or just good wardering in RF ......lighting mmmmm ..trode tube ...dipole .... I thik the hot dog is do i the microwave 22 sec plus i pespi can empty
OK ...I have observed SM"s videos for a long time some things are good but the mechanics of the build are important in Ottos replication ,, the wire in SM's coils are on top and not on the bottom , i saw this straight off - interpolation of wiring was parallel no crossed wires as i could see - the AC in the RF Field will happen do the the back flow in the C steel ring ( or copper this is a fact no matter what u uses ) 180 freq in a wire to 180 gives ac current ask the guys at Bell telephone it happens. in the core section is hollow as per Otto. now doing the LMD test their's caps involved GK has done these test i believe. Border land proved this and JNL jabs set the preference on the fact and i did to. Eistine said just a few thing make things happen compressing for time and expand. Rosstine 10 nu sec rise well ok just a thought .
@Grumpy!, MC!,
Thanks for feeding the beast!
I made a wire model of the base of the new coil just to visualize a few things.
I will state a few starting facts.
Overunity can be gotten when we try to move the copper faster than it
is capable of moving. Anomolous functions occur.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm)
The speed can be induced by phase cancellation or conjunction of 2 or more frequencies.
Nailed it here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24372.html#msg24372 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24372.html#msg24372)
In case anybody wants to question why I mention the GK4 and the new coil in the same vein? Here is the model: Otto posted the block diagram and the next person winds it. Ronnote and I coming up with the actual physical attributes and being the winders. The basic points are the starting facts here.
On the new coil the pulse on the 4" ring has a tighter diameter and an opposite direction than the 6" ring. Damn! Can you see all the clamoring of Poynting vectors? This has very strong similarities to Hutchison's experiments. Field within field.
And the control coils are the transducer.
I can see the field dynamics. This one is just as busy as Otto's first mobius jumpering on the GK4.
The distance of the 4 & 6 inch rings in the new coil is greater than just placing the 4 inside the 6. Something to do with with specs of the lamp wire at +12v. That would equate to the B field running in 2 different directions not only through the ring but also the Flux lines in opposite directions. Which would build interaction in a tremedous amount.
The 4" placed in it's position can also produce a very small phase shift in conjunction with the 6". But that small size is most importante. The exact centers of both toroidal field are sitting on 2 different horizontal planes so the fields cross each at a declination of 45 degress of 4" externally and a inclination of 45 degrees of the 6" internally.
So a small offset can be achieved with mechanics greater than by any electrical means. 'No mass circuitry involved here'. The ratio of the 4" to the 6" will give the operation the rotational shift due to the different path lengths and pulse directions in opposition.
Where's the collection? The higher level of magnetic interaction naturally feeds back onto the copper from the surounding field interactions.
In looking at Hutchison's demos, this time the target is the copper in the circuit instead an external material. We are kickin' our own arses!
--giantkiller. Johnny! Put that coil down before you go and hurt yourself!
:)
hi joe
if it did show kicks the gov covered it up
wer
Quote from: joe dirt on June 11, 2007, 03:53:54 AM
O.K., Here,s a goofy question, but thought I would ask anyway ::)
If the tpu does nothing but harvest "kicks", and that being the only anomalous
event, then does it stand to reason that, somewhere, someplace, during the
early days of the telegraph, there would be some type of a similiar events
recorded as the tech progressed? after all, morse code is nothing but "kicks"
Stands to reason (or maybe it,s late! :P)
Dirt
Before you go looking for the "kicks", you must first define exactly what they are, and no one to this point (to my knowledge) has definitively done so.
Darren
Yo Dudes!
I love these dreamscape adventures!
The Morse code protocol is based in the spacing between the clicks. Tesla showed that the kick or spark itself is an encyclopedia just waiting to be utilized between the pages/frequencies/harmonics. See that?
Let's throw another one out there.
I plan to pull my house off the grid in 90 days or 1 circuit or pull 1 fuse and feed that isolated circuit with an inverter from a tpu. I do not plan to interface with the grid by pumping power back into the power companies. This approach is the avenue to the mass market.
--giantkiller. What reality do you want?
And how would one go about "definitevely" doing so?
If someone comes out with something they find anomalous, and promising, and show scope shots, diagrams, methods of operation and test results would that be enough?
What if they did that, and gave people enough to replicate, would that, then be enough?
What if they did all these things, and then.... nobody accepted what they were saying, and refused to replicate, preferring to sit on their hands and critisize, rather than confirming, or disproving via experimental data?
I guess in that scenario, nothing could be "definitively" shown, and hence accepted, or rejected.
Sorta like tap-dancing for Helen Keller, I would imagine. Very frustrating.
I for one, have ordered my fets and drivers, built a form, wound my coils, and, good or bad, I will show my results.
Jason will beat me to the punch however. Hopefully we'll have some "definitive" ideas about what kicks are (or are not) when he shows his results.
@GK, you seem very optimistic. Have you replicated?
Regards,
Rich
That's cool, so your tpu works? I haven't followed the 180 pages of this forum so I'm lost. I hope you plan on using 6 gauge wire in your tpu to generate that kind of current! Well, I've never built one before, post a video of it, or have you already? Sorry, as I've said before I haven't been following this much.
Rich,
Very well said. I'm not totally convinced myself that Otto has something worth getting excited about. But, I won't know for sure unless I replicate it myself right? My collectors are done and I have the parts for the pulse circuits. Just need to get some wire for the control coils.
SuperGod,
GK is just blowing smoke as usual. He has nothing or he would be posting all over the place. He is a very positive thinking person, but at times get a little ahead of himself. This does cause confusion to others.
GK,
FYI : Morse code is based on the length of the pulse, dots and dashes, not the space between.
Tim
Caution: Positive view to follow:
Prior to Jan 2007 I was proclaiming something would be produced before a 1 year was up. It came to pass with the kicks.
In Sept 2006 I was talking about 90 coupling. It is old hat now.
3 months ago I was defending the 'Kicks'. It is old hat now.
3 months ago I was expressing a great fear of the energy. Otto and Ronotte have now stressed extreme safety now also.
I too have seen the anomilies that Otto & Ronotte have seen.
But now here comes the really stupid part. I could not get to the next step because I didn't have a dual trace scope. That is like duck hunting with one eye shut in a broom closet!
Am I tooting my own horn here? No I am not.
I am involved and included with a great group of people internationally in a tremendously fantastic project and we've only just met. Is that cool or what? What are the odds of failure?
I am just practicing extreme visualization methods here. Might sound like bunk but it does work. It comes under the attitude of the power of positive thinking and I have seen it work in the lives of others. What do you want and how bad do you want it?
Yes, I am very optimistic and I win while including others and being involved with others.
Things here have been moving at a very fast, steady pace with results from everybody. The track record speaks for that. That alone is worth millions.
So, yes, I expect results in 90 days. The three basic undeniable facts are 90 coupling, the wave synchronization, and the timing of events. I have a dual trace scope, same as Jason's, coming in the mail. Ronotte stated that it is used as control to enable us to approach synchronization while not being 100% dead on. Muy importante! Steven Mark he still has pain in his hands and Otto has a numb phalange. And I am extremely lucky not to have retained any damage.
If there are those that can't see this then don't flame me. It wastes time and does not bode well for the newbies. I am not here to address anyone's confusion. Things are moving along quite nicely. I can't wait to get my new dual trace scope.
--giantkiller. These are only brave words to those who embrace doubt.
Quote from: gn0stik on June 11, 2007, 12:53:48 PM
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Jason will beat me to the punch however. Hopefully we'll have some "definitive" ideas about what kicks are (or are not) when he shows his results.
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Thanks to Rich, Jason, and others for moving forward with this particular replication.
Were I not in the middle of something else right now, I would also be right there with you. When I am ready to take on this new project there will be even more folks available for help over any rough spots that I may encounter.
Rosphere--Bee Thinking.
GK,
I have nothing against positive thinking. I too believe it in and use it on a daily basis. The problem I have is in how others perceive some of the things that you say. Someone new in the forum would think that you already have a working device to connect to your fuse panel. I think we have a way to go before we get to this point. There are quite a few people in this forum working hard to get there and hopefully we will be there soon. I can think as positive as I can and I still feel that 90 days is a little unrealistic.
The trick to positive thinking is to believe in realistic and reachable goals.
See, now you have me going. I have been on this forum for over a year with only a handfull of posts. I have been lurking and absorbing all of the information posted to any Marks related topics. Very rarely do I post as I do not have anything that I feel would be contributing to the group (at this time).
I have worked in the automation division in a electrical engineering department for 15 years . Laser, xray, that kind of thing. I am trying to forget everything I know and everything I was taught as I do not think it does not pertain to anything relevant to the Marks device.
Now, where are we?
Kicks, are these the kicks that Marks is referring to?
With these "kicks" we are glowing a lightbulb filament. Or are we getting a kick or multiple kicks on the lightbulb filament?
Nobody knows how or why this is happening, but it is. Someone will figure it out soon, I do have faith in that.
Now, once the reason for this is discovered it is time to go back to the bench and find out the best possible way to make this unit efficient and safe for Joe Blow (I hope no one uses that nick).
If you think this will happen in 90 days, you are dreaming not thinking positive. God, I hope I'm wrong though.
While I'm on a roll, I do have one more thing to mention. Mr. Marks cannot divulge how his unit operates. Why is this? Personally, I don't think it matters anymore. What do you think that the people who are holding him back think when we all praise him and thank him for his direction and the information that he has given. Are we not just helping to put the noose around his neck. I hope that he has mailed complete documentation and drawings to someone not to open until his untimely.... What he should do is log into this forum as "Otto's little helper" and spill the beans. We have to be close enough for this.
GK, just keep up the good work. I know you are working on this every minute you get. A lot of people are doing the same. The goal will be reached.
Tim
Quote from: giantkiller on June 11, 2007, 02:24:17 PM
So, yes, I expect results in 90 days.
--giantkiller. These are only brave words to those who embrace doubt.
Then 90 days it will be.
count me in :)
Marco.
GK, you should post a video of your scope output once you get the new dual trace scope. That would be nifty. I've seen pictures of your coil, but I've never seen a video of your coil (or anyone's coil except Steven Mark's) in action. This should be cool to see.
Excellent Points Mr Mag. Well Put.
Thanks.
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ha marco
love your avatar
that ring should be Aluminum
wer
hello all im still around
just been working long days 14 days and counting so it looks like its time to wait for the tools for me not long now i cant wait to try all my rings out
90 days count me in all. we will have it im sure some do already tho ;)
been working on my turbine generator with any spare time i have right now but will soon be done with that project then its back to the 90 day challange
the best of luck to all who help
be safe and keep it real
is
Marco's is one of the best attempts at describing what the kick is, that I've read to date.
I'm not saying this is it definitively, but it's certainly an excellent stepping stone for those including myself to do more research from.
At least he gave it some thought and tried. There are very few that did.
See it here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32933.html#msg32933
Darren
As usual, Marco is right on time.
Thanks.
--giantkiller.
How about 90 minutes ::)
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Sir Dirt
Quote from: giantkiller on June 11, 2007, 12:39:45 PM
Yo Dudes!
I love these dreamscape adventures!
The Morse code protocol is based in the spacing between the clicks. Tesla showed that the kick or spark itself is an encyclopedia just waiting to be utilized between the pages/frequencies/harmonics. See that?
Let's throw another one out there.
I plan to pull my house off the grid in 90 days or 1 circuit or pull 1 fuse and feed that isolated circuit with an inverter from a tpu. I do not plan to interface with the grid by pumping power back into the power companies. This approach is the avenue to the mass market.
--giantkiller. What reality do you want?
joe
looks like you are having fun any good luck with the new setup?
it will be 2 - 3 weeks and i will rejoin the team with all the propor tools to play some more and get some results i read that it is a dual trace scope i should be shopping for could some one post some specks on the scope i should be buying for testing the rings i have no experience with a scope but want to buy the right scope any help would be great
is
@IS,
As for a scope look for the frequency range it can support (Horiz time base), the vertical deflection, i.e. voltage per div setting, and of course dual, triple or quad trace. Some scopes offer a basic setup (just the basic Horiz and Vertical settings) and some offer built in functions such as DVM, Freq counter, screen capture and delta functions.
At the least I would say make sure your scope has at least 20 to 60Mhz of BW and can support 500 to 1000V for its vertical deflection (that is 50 or 100 v per div on the vertical setting).
I would get the scope with the largest possible vertical deflection and the highest BW you can afford.
The better the freq and voltage range as well as the more additional features (i.e. DVM, Freq counter, etc...) the more expensive it will be.
If you can find a used Sencor scope you might like these, I have one, since they are designed for consumer electronics and can support 2kv vertical and 60Mhz BW (TV repair) with other bells and whistles such as Delta Time and Freq functions as well as built in DVM and Freq counter that goes to 100Mhz.
Just need to shop around to find the one you want/need.
Quote from: joe dirt on June 12, 2007, 04:05:57 AM
How about 90 minutes ::)
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Sir Dirt
Quote from: giantkiller on June 11, 2007, 12:39:45 PM
Yo Dudes!
I love these dreamscape adventures!
The Morse code protocol is based in the spacing between the clicks. Tesla showed that the kick or spark itself is an encyclopedia just waiting to be utilized between the pages/frequencies/harmonics. See that?
Let's throw another one out there.
I plan to pull my house off the grid in 90 days or 1 circuit or pull 1 fuse and feed that isolated circuit with an inverter from a tpu. I do not plan to interface with the grid by pumping power back into the power companies. This approach is the avenue to the mass market.
--giantkiller. What reality do you want?
LOL. Cute comeback!
Hi ,
scope choice...
Digital...not so good
20 meg analogue is fine..
I have scopes galore around me...to 20meg analogue is the best or tuning...higher might be better but not neccesary.
Ebay....20 -200 bucks.
Make sure the display is sharp...not soft!
Lindsay
Great going guys !!!!!! @Joe cool beans like that coil set up looks like it has potencial. @ Manix - degause will sometimes fix soft and if that don't work I've taken a oneshot switch and hit the cathode with B+ to clean off the grid .
Hey I.S.
Yeah it is a learning experience, in the pics you can see the circuit is lighting the 50
watt bulb with 10 volts from a cordless drill battery, though the transistors do
get hot, a little better configuration should solve this problem...
Hey M.C. Thanks, Interesting times, I personally believe there are many ways to
tap the "vacuum" once the principles are known or the "djinn is out of the bottle" 8)
Welcome back I.S.
dirt
Quote from: innovation_station on June 12, 2007, 06:42:47 AM
joe
looks like you are having fun any good luck with the new setup?
it will be 2 - 3 weeks and i will rejoin the team with all the propor tools to play some more and get some results i read that it is a dual trace scope i should be shopping for could some one post some specks on the scope i should be buying for testing the rings i have no experience with a scope but want to buy the right scope any help would be great
is
I just couldn't resist with all the furvor going on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKvb75Tiqak&NR=1
--giantkiller.
good to see ya back is
hay joe
nice looking tpu is that ring Aluminum ;D
congrats to all and to all good luck
wer
Here is the mechanical configuration I am starting with. Control coils wound. Termination next.
My goal here is the follow what I know works.
And that is maximum 90 degress coupling using 30awg wire. THe ezflow audio cable for maximum through put and skin effect with 700 strands. The cores are aluminum. This wil present an evenly distrubuted eddy current source on both Helmholtz coils. My control coils are bifilalr 30awg at 33.7 feet. The length is just what I had. Yes the pairs are equal. I will drive with 555s to tip41 BJTs. My goal is not to be sloppy but as comon off the shelf as possible. No math just mechanics.
--giantkiller. Now I terminate and configure. Till next time...
Do the coils have to be bunched in one spot 120 degrees from each other, or can we spread the coil out over a 120 degree space?
Quote from: Super God on June 12, 2007, 04:58:20 PM
Do the coils have to be bunched in one spot 120 degrees from each other, or can we spread the coil out over a 120 degree space?
The tighter the better according to Roberto's doc.
Read up.
Hey Jason, did you happen to take ohm readings on your primary and secondaries, of your control coils?
GK, are you making a 15? Looks big.
Curious.
Rich
Quote from: gn0stik on June 12, 2007, 05:12:17 PM
Hey Jason, did you happen to take ohm readings on your primary and secondaries, of your control coils?
GK, are you making a 15? Looks big.
Curious.
Rich
Nope. It's a 4/6.
Remember, Only you can prevent runaway!
GK:
I have 2 questions on your mobius coil photo.
1. I think the document showed the mobius lamp wire(s) situated along the inside circumference of the larger support ring and then looped into the outer circumference of the smaller ring; whether at the cross-over point, the top/bottom wires are crossed or not I do not know and whether doing so would make a difference or not?
2. Are the control coils just wound over each other, assuming the secondary is wound first (because it is longer in length) and then the primary is wound on top of the secondary and always in the same direction? Since the wires are differet gauges and difference color, then using difference color will help in the photo. too.
Thanks
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on June 12, 2007, 07:06:56 PM
GK:
I have 2 questions on your mobius coil photo.
1. I think the document showed the mobius lamp wire(s) situated along the inside circumference of the larger support ring and then looped into the outer circumference of the smaller ring; whether at the cross-over point, the top/bottom wires are crossed or not I do not know and whether doing so would make a difference or not?
2. Are the control coils just wound over each other, assuming the secondary is wound first (because it is longer in length) and then the primary is wound on top of the secondary and always in the same direction? Since the wires are differet gauges and difference color, then using difference color will help in the photo. too.
Thanks
chrisC
Good snag dude!
#1 will be run on the inside.
#2 the bifilars are run together and just keep winding what is left over. This is not a transformer but an intersection of two competing fequencies through the copper for phase conjunction and cancellation. This decreases the pulse widths to incredibly fast speeds that the b field in the copper cannot react to.
Wait till you see on your scope.
--giantkiller. Snappy.
This our latest addition to an already familiar line of tpu devices. We call the Fred Flintsone model. It is currently available at Toys -r- us. I turned down Fisher Price.
--giantkiller. Yaba daba doo-oo-oo-oo.
GK:
Dude, nice Flinstone model! What did you use to prop the smaller ring? can't see from the pic.
chrisC
GK!!! I want that toy- but the wheels won't roll. lol and wheres the battries
Gentlemen!
I used tubing with large cable ties.
The wheels don't have to roll. This is the flying model!
I am working on the jumperiing next and packing a parachute.
--giantkiller.
Hi GK,
looks very nice !
Wilmaaaaaa ! Here we come ! ;)
Thanks all.
It was 4 hours labor only. I had all the parts just sitting around. Go figure...
Dinner is now et. I can continue on.
--giantkiller. Geeknacious.
Hey GK!
If that is standard lamp coil in your house...... I would hate to see your lamps! LOL
;D
Good luck and cheers,
Bruce
be carefall gk
dont wont you to burn up that butifull coil and hurt your self
looks like it will pull some large amps at high volts
wer
I was wondering who would pop up first!
I just happen to have this sitting around also. Should punch a hole in the ceiling. :D
I am currently matching up all of the schematics I have to get it right.
--giantkiller.
I redrew the circuit to show simplicity. I need any input to match this up with the connections on Marco's avatar linked with the pdf circuit.
--giantkiller.
GK:
Are the Primary and Secondary coils really wound opposite directions to each other? (as shown in your diagram)
chrisC
Sorry they are in parallel and in phase.
--giantkiller.
@GK,
...pay attention, the place you put the battery (or P.S.) is wrong...check with the schematic TPU=ECD. (there's not a battery V3, and V1=12V).
Hope this help
Roberto
Hi all:
Just wired up the circuit and have a mess. OK, probably did it wrong. So I went back to the diagram that mrd has for his avitar. Pondered that for a while and then had to go over to the german feed to get ottos last rendition and it shows the same thing. I am at a loss here on this. As I can see the way its wired, the six and four inch loops are just that loops. one tied to the "0" and the other tied to phase. That not having any connection between the two. If this is supposed to be a mobius then the two coils will turn into one long piece of wire with each end tied to "0" and "phase".
Need to clarify just how this is wired before I do it again.
sugra
Hello,
HEEEEEJ GK, have you a fire extinguisher???? Thanks God you use "only" a TIP transistor.
Otto
Hi All,
Since it is still not clear what is happening, or if there is a rotating magnetic field or not, I am throwing out this circuit that I will just call an excitation circuit.
Ther circuit is auto-starting and after 3 bits will produce circulating "1"'s.
A 74HC164 shift register should be able to be clocked up to 50 MHz.
The 74HC27 NOR gate has a propagation delay of 8ns and rise / fall times about 7 ns.
This circuit will fire each FET sequentially, one after the next. The pulse width depends on the clock frequency.
Enjoy, Earl
Hi All,
here are some further refinements. The first circuit has no dead-time between each FET firing; the second circuit has a dead-time equal to one clock pulse between each gate pulse. With 8 stages, it is possible to increase the dead-time to 2 clock pulses.
Enjoy, Earl
Hi,
forgot to say that the green colored lines have been indicated for anyone who experiments with 4 coils, spaced at 90 degrees.
Regards, Earl
Hi,
further comments. This idea is based not on different frequencies (in this case pulse repetition rate) or harmonics, but a rapid sequential firing around the ring. As the pulse width decreases the probability of radiant events increases. Just slowly sweep one single frequency and watch for radiant events. When the 1000 Watt light bulb fully lights up and then goes PING, you have found the sweet spot. hehehehe
Enjoy, Earl
Hi,
sorry, keep forgetting things. See attachments.
Also include a long list of most 74HC ICs from the NXP (Phillips) site with hyperlink to download datasheet.
Enjoy, Earl
Quote from: ronotte on June 13, 2007, 03:13:40 AM
@GK,
...pay attention, the place you put the battery (or P.S.) is wrong...check with the schematic TPU=ECD. (there's not a battery V3, and V1=12V).
Hope this help
Roberto
Thanks. I mistook the V in parallel with the lamp as a voltage source.
Do not worry. I will be safe. Got hurt twice and no more.
--giantkiller.
Earl, nice schematic, but this might be a better unit for driving a tesla coil than a TPU.
Duty cycle needs to be adjustable independently of frequency. We also need the ability to have more than one frequency.
I suppose this would be great for a three ring TPU, where we have multiple controls on different rings being driven at the same frequency. We could have three of these units driving the controls.
PRR is important, and the rise time is fantastic! but pulse width is important too, and therefore needs to be independently adjustable. These RF effects that make it so dangerous to be in the room with may well disappear at different pulse widths.
quote from gerry
Quote
Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials.
With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla.
Now, he worked with MUCH HIGHER initial voltages, and currents on MUCH larger coils than we are working with, so we probably won't see some of the effects (objects moving, etc), because they are likely relative to the energy levels used. But others (pain) we have already seen.
@All,
Circuit schematic repaired.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg35064.html#msg35064
RE
Tesla did extensive testing and concluded that RE particles were neutrons.
Neutrons have no apparent electrical charge, but do have a "magnetic moment" and hence will align to a magnetic field, just like protons, bar magnets, etc.
Dave Lowrance has identified the neutron as the true source of the diamagnetic field and the strongest tempic field effect rather than the proton (his original thought):
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Protonics.htm
Each electron, proton, and neutron is like a tiny magnet, they can flip, they can align, they can oppose or aid...
We are still just at the very beginning of research, and I think it's best not to make too many assumptions what one must or must not do.
No one reallys knows whether or not duty cycle needs to be adjustable independently of frequency. No one really knows whether more than one frequency is necessary.
If fact, we know nothing.
'Basic research is when I'm doing what I don't know what I'm doing!'
Wernher von Braun
'It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young!'
Konrad Lorenz - Austrian Ethologist
"I shall never believe that God plays dice with the World!"
Albert Einstein - Physicist
"Albert - Don't tell God how to Think!"
Niels Bohr - Physicist
Regards, Earl
Quote from: gn0stik on June 13, 2007, 01:35:04 PM
Earl, nice schematic, but this might be a better unit for driving a tesla coil than a TPU.
Duty cycle needs to be adjustable independently of frequency. We also need the ability to have more than one frequency.
I suppose this would be great for a three ring TPU, where we have multiple controls on different rings being driven at the same frequency. We could have three of these units driving the controls.
PRR is important, and the rise time is fantastic! but pulse width is important too, and therefore needs to be independently adjustable. These RF effects that make it so dangerous to be in the room with may well disappear at different pulse widths.
quote from gerry
Quote
Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials.
With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla.
Now, he worked with MUCH HIGHER initial voltages, and currents on MUCH larger coils than we are working with, so we probably won't see some of the effects (objects moving, etc), because they are likely relative to the energy levels used. But others (pain) we have already seen.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 13, 2007, 02:06:30 PM
@All,
Circuit schematic repaired.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg35064.html#msg35064
@GK:
Just ignore. Tenzer cleared up my misunderstanding.
Thanks at Tenzer.
Found out why I had a short, two bad trannies right from the store. Since I hooked them up, guess what, $32 in the hole and get to buy two more. Oh well its only money.
thanks
sugra
Quote from: Grumpy on June 13, 2007, 03:31:38 PM
RE
Tesla did extensive testing and concluded that RE particles were neutrons.
Neutrons have no apparent electrical charge, but do have a "magnetic moment" and hence will align to a magnetic field, just like protons, bar magnets, etc.
Dave Lowrance has identified the neutron as the true source of the diamagnetic field and the strongest tempic field effect rather than the proton (his original thought):
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Protonics.htm
Each electron, proton, and neutron is like a tiny magnet, they can flip, they can align, they can oppose or aid...
Thanks. I stay thinking in this area of the operation all the time.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Earl on June 13, 2007, 04:24:47 PM
We are still just at the very beginning of research, and I think it's best not to make too many assumptions what one must or must not do.
No one reallys knows whether or not duty cycle needs to be adjustable independently of frequency. No one really knows whether more than one frequency is necessary.
If fact, we know nothing.
'Basic research is when I'm doing what I don't know what I'm doing!'
Wernher von Braun
'It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young!'
Konrad Lorenz - Austrian Ethologist
"I shall never believe that God plays dice with the World!"
Albert Einstein - Physicist
"Albert - Don't tell God how to Think!"
Niels Bohr - Physicist
Regards, Earl
Quote from: gn0stik on June 13, 2007, 01:35:04 PM
Earl, nice schematic, but this might be a better unit for driving a tesla coil than a TPU.
Duty cycle needs to be adjustable independently of frequency. We also need the ability to have more than one frequency.
I suppose this would be great for a three ring TPU, where we have multiple controls on different rings being driven at the same frequency. We could have three of these units driving the controls.
PRR is important, and the rise time is fantastic! but pulse width is important too, and therefore needs to be independently adjustable. These RF effects that make it so dangerous to be in the room with may well disappear at different pulse widths.
quote from gerry
Quote
Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials.
With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla.
Now, he worked with MUCH HIGHER initial voltages, and currents on MUCH larger coils than we are working with, so we probably won't see some of the effects (objects moving, etc), because they are likely relative to the energy levels used. But others (pain) we have already seen.
And yet, I still think the most flexible of options might be in order so that we don't have to keep building driver circuits. Just trying to be practical.
Or did I not imply that?
Regards,
Rich
Well kiddos it is time for Mr. Safety again. You all know me by now. I like to harp on misunderstood issues. Why? Because they are existing patterns to be recognized by a larger group. This time it's us!
So lets talk now, shall we? Gather 'round.
To this day SM has crippled, pained hands, I heard Otto has a numb thumb, I got skin fairies, bone clicking, and a severe headache for 1 day and a half, I, Otto and Roberto got the crap scared out of us, Jason experienced skin fairies, C0mster experienced skin fairies.
Skin fairies? It is a warm gelatinous feeling moving over your skin as you cook. You are still only rare on the grill. It is caused by high RF. Left uncontrolled you will attain medium rare status. How do you like your steak? Oh, Dear what are you wearing for dinner? Nice tuxedo! Oh I'm sorry that is charred flesh! What a novel idea. A suite that is worn well done! Now you really can chew your own leg off. Mmmmm. You can also wear steak sauce as an after shave.
Skin fairies and pain? We who have attained these are respected here for our education, experience, and experiments. Yes, everybody brags in their own right about their qualifications. But how come all those quals don't help that person avoid fear, shock and damage? Whoa! Kemosabe. TPU man speak with third eye! These artifacts are the dartlets that Tesla mentioned. Maybe it is best that some of you just watch. Now put that TPU down! You don't know where it has been!
So for those who want to get overunity then experiment and cook. See the shock and awe. If you have not done this then you have no need or right to push, condem or whine.
I got my new scope in! Shweet!
--giantkiller. A closed mind is an inescapable trap.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 15, 2007, 12:29:02 PM
Well ain't no use to wonder why, whoopee we're all gonna fry!
Thank you for the colorful and creative warning, GK. :D
I still have that used microwave oven with every bit of electronics stripped-out to prevent spurious interactions. The door is still attached, and the latch works. When I get round to my replication, I will use it.
Gee, I hope it does not interfere with the Earth's magnetic field. ;)
Has Otto, Ronotte, Jason, or Cam noticed any charge build-up on their respective screens?
I am wondering if I should ground to Earth my microwave oven shell?
Ok Rosphere. we know GK well enough to know when he says stuff like this, he is up to somthing. You can bet yer A$$ it will be as colorful as his wording., If not more so.
Guess we will see in Skipesville. I'll be the one wareing welding goggles just in case.
Moab.
While I am building and situating parts I thought I would throw this out there.
Rule #1: We smack the copper extremely fast which equates to hard smacking. Copper doesn't like that.
Rule #2: We use mosfets because they are fast on and off. That is all one needs. Many feel the need to run them faster. Not so. We are going to do that in another way. Virtually.
We use 3 frequencies run into each other to achieve the phenominally faster run time with phase cancellation.
1: Find the sweet spot with the first frequency.
2: Use the second frequency to cut off parts of the first for higher speed.
3: Use the third frequency to impose an even higher level of cancellation. And that is where the danger is.
4: This enables one to achieve a much higher speed.
5: And it is extremely economical. ;)
I documented this January 3rd 2007 after the GK4 tests. This is as simple as it gets. Now build! For you will not see without this effort.
--giantkiller. Now I must get back to the laboratory. My bride awaits! Igor! More brains!
@ GK
Well said! Well spoken! I feared some had forgotten that SM was specific about three frequencies. One is fun, two is danger, three is power! :) And folks are excited about just one frequency! LOL
@everyone
As you all know by now, I still believe there will be a ryme or reason to the frequencies chosen.
1=resonant
2=harmonic
3=intermodulation This is my thoughts, and we will see if they proof out. Either way, keep it in your minds to give you something to experiment with. Jason also has some very interesting ideas about the three frequencies and resonance.
Cheers,
Bruce
hi gk
have you fired up your big mac yet ?
if yes how did it work
@bruce
question?
by tuneing the third freq up and down would it incress pow er and decress power ?
wer
Here is the mechanical start of my driver board. Only three drivers are needed but I want to make it with four fets to include a switchable h-bridge configuration for future options. Gonna try anyway. Not mandatory.
Two 556s, one max621, four irf840s. All 12v operation. Blue terminal blocks for all connections. Fets in little sockets. And one 12v fan.
I have gone a little slow this session. Wanted to make sure of a precise,semi tight fit. Soldering next session. There is a 7805 on board in case i need one.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 16, 2007, 03:44:21 AM
I have gone a little slow this session. Wanted to make sure of a precise,semi tight fit. Soldering next session. There is a 7805 on board in case i need one.
--giantkiller.
Hi giantkiller
I've been designing a mosfet driver pcb for testing purposes.
I'm using the MC33151 driver chip (We use them at work :D)
In the datasheet: http://www.chipcatalog.com/Datasheet/3BE1EB3D09E88BB88DC3414BAA767550.htm
it says:
Do not attempt to construct the driver circuit on
wire?wrap or plug?in prototype boards. When driving
large capacitive loads, the printed circuit board must contain
a low inductance ground plane to minimize the voltage spikes
induced by the high ground ripple currents. All high current
loops should be kept as short as possible using heavy copper
runs to provide a low impedance high frequency path. For
optimum drive performance, it is recommended that the
initial circuit design contains dual power supply bypass
capacitors connected with short leads as close to the VCC pin
and ground as the layout will permit. Suggested capacitors are
a low inductance 0.1 mF ceramic in parallel with a 4.7 mF
tantalum. Additional bypass capacitors may be required
depending upon Drive Output loading and circuit layout.
Proper printed circuit board layout is extremely
critical and cannot be over emphasized.I would think this goes for the max621 as well, though it says nothing about it in its datasheet.
Good luck on the project :)
Egon
Quote from: Thedane on June 16, 2007, 04:11:53 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on June 16, 2007, 03:44:21 AM
I have gone a little slow this session. Wanted to make sure of a precise,semi tight fit. Soldering next session. There is a 7805 on board in case i need one.
--giantkiller.
Hi giantkiller
I've been designing a mosfet driver pcb for testing purposes.
I'm using the MC33151 driver chip (We use them at work :D)
In the datasheet: http://www.chipcatalog.com/Datasheet/3BE1EB3D09E88BB88DC3414BAA767550.htm
it says:
Do not attempt to construct the driver circuit on
wire?wrap or plug?in prototype boards. When driving
large capacitive loads, the printed circuit board must contain
a low inductance ground plane to minimize the voltage spikes
induced by the high ground ripple currents. All high current
loops should be kept as short as possible using heavy copper
runs to provide a low impedance high frequency path. For
optimum drive performance, it is recommended that the
initial circuit design contains dual power supply bypass
capacitors connected with short leads as close to the VCC pin
and ground as the layout will permit. Suggested capacitors are
a low inductance 0.1 mF ceramic in parallel with a 4.7 mF
tantalum. Additional bypass capacitors may be required
depending upon Drive Output loading and circuit layout.
Proper printed circuit board layout is extremely
critical and cannot be over emphasized.
I would think this goes for the max621 as well, though it says nothing about it in its datasheet.
Good luck on the project :)
Egon
GK,
I have been using the HIP4081AIP MOSFET driver on a scrap of perfboard for some time now with no issues. You might want to use it; I haven't blown up a single one and the MOSFETs are driven cleanly with fast rise/fall times.
Egon is right about the max261 / ucc32321 series chips. I tried prototyping with them and blew up my entire stock save one. That last one I installed 5 bypass capacitors directly on the power leads, including a large electrolytic. Trust me, it is a pain! :)
Hope this helps,
Eldarion
Thanks guys.
I will search Maxim-Dallas for these similar issues. They are a great company with good support. I should find an answer to this.
In the 12 years I haved used Maxim parts I found they have very stable reliability with good internal protection. Of course I have never pushed them like this project does. Should prove interesting.
--giantkiller. Any other input or history is welcome.
Rise and shine, posters!
Here. Take a look at this.
http://blazelabs.com/emwaves.htm
The resultant power we are looking for is exiting at a different vector other than current down a wire.
In other words, you can't look east while not panning with binoculars across a body of water at a boat that is traveling north / south across your view while there is a car coming up behind you at a high rate of speed. You won't see the car and you will only get a glimpse of the boat.
That is why our 'Current in the conductor' instruments don't measure anything. We are only seeing the by-product of energy degradration in our spectral viewing plane. The real energy we want is heading off in another direction / another vector.
Diodes looks like shorts. DVMs act like balls of steel wool. Coil based instruments work but not really all the way there. Scopes are blown up. Skin fairies jumping off devices to the operators. There is your OU right there. Simply put: measuring devices made in the model of 'current in the conductor' don't see anything here. Wrong vector.
And that is also why there has been no true power harvesting. You cannot carry sand in a sieve. We are donning chain maille as floatation devices. But capacitors, stressed inductors due to resonance, small latch magnets in the field all cause a vector realignment of one or all of the vectors.
All the exciting devices we have seen use either High voltage, current or frequency. Here we are again trying get something for nothing by blowing sh!t up! Please. Look at this model of thought when Eintstein said 'How about 50 miles' when Oppenheimer asked about '50 foot' distance from the alamagordo nuke test. I'm starting to see Oppies thought as much better.
And here we go again with another stungun:
http://blazelabs.com/e-exp16.asp. Oooow. Big whoopty doo! Tesla stated the amount of energy is infinite. But we get excited about the light show. The same experiment can be reproduced in 2 ways. Take a laser pointer to the zoo and shine on the objects in the monkey cages. Or throw a cell phone in the chimpanzee cage and wait till the alpha dude picks it up then call it. Please do not attempt this while under the influence of any mind altering drugs. You'll laugh so hard you'll die right there.
And Tesla operated his remote control boat by tapping a telegraph key on a small box. Hmmm.
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And go back a page from the above link and look at the EHD.
EHD Thrusters research section contains a series of experimental EHD Thrusters or propulsion devices, also known as ionocrafts and lifters, that do not use conventional methods for thrust. They still obey all Newton's laws of motion but they do not need to carry their thrusting fuel. In general, EHD thursters have an air ioniser in the form of a fine wire, fixed at a small distance (few cm) over the collector, usually in the form of an aluminium plate of foil with smooth round edge at the upper part. The thrusting mechanism is called Electrohydrodynamic (EHD) and is provided by the well known Coulomb's law of electrostatics acting on ion clouds, and by the law of conservation of momentum, by which it transfers momentum of these accelerating clouds to neutral air molecules. As you can read in Lifters in vacuum, lifters are NOT antigravity or electrogravity devices. Unfortunately the general lack of information on their mechanism has resulted in these devices being claimed (and also sold!) as antigravity science kits. These devices are able to lift their own weight and even additional payload. Our aim is to find the best design & materials to construct the most powerful unit EHD cell in the smallest possible space and explain in full how it works. Blaze Labs Autonomous thruster project aims to develop a high power thruster capable of carrying its own power supply & also extra payload. Please note that these devices use very high voltages (>30KV) and experience in handling high voltage is a must. We are not responsible if you get killed!
And:
Tesla's tublike craft powered itself; there were several large batteries on board. Radio signals controlled switches, which energized the boat's propeller, rudder, and scaled-down running lights?simple enough in concept, but quite difficult to accomplish with existing devices. Even registering the arrival of a radio signal pulse taxed the rudimentary technology. Tesla invented a new kind of coherer (a radio-activated switch) for this purpose, essentially a canister with a little metal oxide powder in it. The powder orients itself in the presence of an electromagnetic field, like radio waves, and becomes conductive. If the canister is flipped over, after the pulse's passage, the powder is restored to a random, nonconductive state.
Tesla contrived for a number of things to happen when the coherer conducted, most importantly for a disk bearing several differently organized sets of contacts to advance itself one step. Thus, if the contacts had previously connected the combination "right rudder/propeller forward full/light off," the next step might combine "rudder center/propeller stop/lights on." And with the aid of a few levers, gears, springs, and motors all would be accomplished, including a final step, flipping the coherer over so that it was ready to receive the next instruction.
--giantkiller. Let's rethink, shall we? Or we will never escape the cage...
you all know me and im all about thinking
i think this is much easyer than all of us think i also think we have looked too hard already i hope to focous on the ring as soon as i finish this job im on when i can devote the time and the tools to it
who is working with tubes i still think it will be the easyest way to get something to work and also 3 6 9 what is the deal?
sounds like 3 harmonics of the same freq
is
Intra board coupling stage complete.
Next steps are:
Inter board coupling stage,
Sequential power up and component configuration test,
Fet to TPU connections and test,
Duty cycle and frequency tests.
The ic board has small sockets for all discreets. Nothing is hard coded.
The Fets are even in sockets with the terminal blocks. I can eject them at any time to be placed in the center of the TPU. TaDa. And we will get to the bottom of that noise.
Building junctures and great cities of the future.
--giantkiller.
been rereading some of the links i have and i came across somthing intresting in a tesla patend for his pancake coil here is a clip from the pattend
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have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits, a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured in the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spirals is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small
here is the link for the rest of it http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/coil.htm
also i found somthing else about a saw osolator im sure it will b of intrest here is the link and a clip from that pattend http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6653906-claims.html
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a SAW oscillator circuit for generating a controlled-frequency output signal and having a voltage-variable control input for adjusting a frequency of the controlled-frequency output signal, the oscillator circuit including a voltage variable capacitive element responsive to the control input, a surface acoustic wave (SAW) resonator operably linked to the voltage variable capacitive element, and a gain stage for energizing the SAW resonator
well it is a little over my head right now but thought i would post it but it kinda fits also there is a steven and a mark that is how i found it
hope this help someone
is
Quote from: innovation_station on June 17, 2007, 08:19:53 PM
been rereading some of the links i have and i came across somthing intresting in a tesla patend for his pancake coil here is a clip from the pattend
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have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits, a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured in the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spirals is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small
here is the link for the rest of it http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/coil.htm
also i found somthing else about a saw osolator im sure it will b of intrest here is the link and a clip from that pattend http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6653906-claims.html
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a SAW oscillator circuit for generating a controlled-frequency output signal and having a voltage-variable control input for adjusting a frequency of the controlled-frequency output signal, the oscillator circuit including a voltage variable capacitive element responsive to the control input, a surface acoustic wave (SAW) resonator operably linked to the voltage variable capacitive element, and a gain stage for energizing the SAW resonator
well it is a little over my head right now but thought i would post it but it kinda fits also there is a steven and a mark that is how i found it
hope this help someone
is
Sounds pretty obvious there bud as part of the feedback control. This is what I was going to do. Kinda like a phase-locked loop. Fits right into any pre-existing 555 astable circuit.
I checked out my fet board. The fan runs. Put discreet components and 556s in the sockets on clock board and that runs fine. I will put the Max621 driver chip in next to test the 556s as inputs. Used my new scope. It works like a charm. It has alot of features built into it through the software interface.
--giantkiller. Till next session, be at peace.
Nice link
http://www.prc68.com/I/Sensors.shtml#Fluxgate
yeah.
also another interesting read... and I,m interested in how these type of speakers
would do in a helmholtz/toroid fashion instead of linear.
I remember Tom Beardon saying once, well, I can,t remember the exact quote but
it is something like this, "the simplest device is a capacitor and a horseshoe magnet,
place the cap in the field and it,s-- something," I can,t remember the rest but the
gist of it is not to destroy the dipole, but being able to couple it with a tuned circuit
Etc..
I thought about doing an experiment, take a tuning fork, put it in a fixed position and
isolate it (electrically), wind a coil around it, large enough to where it,s not
touching the fork, then apply a negative potential to the fork via static or flyback,
then tap the fork with a dowel to get it to vibrate. could I get an induced field
on the windings and if so could I place a magnet to keep an oscillation from the fork
by means of the eddy currents? Ehh, i,m sure it,s been done before can,t find
anything on the net.
You ever seen those party bulbs that have a moving filament? it bounces back and
fourth and there is (I think) a magnet in the center of it. It,s been years since I,ve
seen one.
These links might be useful:
http://maxwell.ucdavis.edu/~electro/radiation/ring.html
http://maxwell.ucdavis.edu/~electro/radiation/dipole.html
Edit: I think Tom was talking about something like this
The precept needed for this is 2 browsers up.
Browse to here on the 2nd one to have the picture present
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=4962
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=4964
Notice the reflection on the 30awg windings. It waivers. This is a sloppy wing edge. These layers have numerous quantities of these. Sometimes they point at another one on another layer just like the ECD-TPU but randomly.
The wing edges are created by the iron windings. Each layer is an iron core transformer.
But check this out.
555 Tesla coil
http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/555sstc/555sstc.htm
And on the GK4 the iron core is also in the electrical circuit. This creates a magnetic field to be perturbed much similar to John Hutchison's experiments. He uses Tesla coils and perturbs magnetic fields.
Now there also is a large stereo wire winding around all 3 layers in 4 segments. Each segment is an untuned Tesla coil with 3 primaries in parallel but not bifilar or 3 Telsa coils sharing a secondary.
Each segment on any given layer at any given time is firing in opposition to it neighbors. Between the layers as the field builds it circumnavigates in opposition with its neighbors field. The middle layer is in opposition between top and bottom.
In comparison with the ECD-TPU the GK4 produces totally random energy distribution. The ECD-TPU has its field energy directed precisely into a receiving antenna. And the ECD-TPU, being only one control layer and external field for perturbation should remain easily controlled.
The builders of the ECD-TPU should have an easier time of control. They will see results. The GK4 is a multiple segment, multi-layer ECD-TPU but produces fireworks instead of a directed energy stream. That is why I achieved such horrendous results. Did you ever see J. Hutchison stick his hands in the videos? I am lucky to be alive.
In my build I am going to use 30 gauge as the primary and mass equalized of 26 gauge as the secondary. My primaries will be long and single layer to get the maximum direct 90 degree coupling against the lamp wire. This does work because each intersection is a micropoint wing. I will wrap the 26 gauge as a single blanket over the primary. Could this be a fire trap? I hope so.
I am building the new model ECD-TPU. Yes Marco, we are very, very close.
--giantkiller. Without any debunking, there will be more ECD-TPUs working come this weekend. If come Monday and the GK4 is still the only one, then this has been a huge waste of time and I will leave to do my own work.
--giantkiller. Git 'er done. This version, the ECD-TPU, is extremely economical and has been proven in alot of its operational aspects. Does this explanation make things easier to see?
From a web page, scroll down about midways:
The really poor-man's version of a scalar system that attempts to get some power into the field uses the energized parallel wire concept. Looking at the spool of wire on the right, that happens to be a spool of 250 feet of #20 gauge lamp-cord, the end of the spool of wire is shorted out. The application of a sufficiently low voltage, but high amperage current of either AC or DC is applied to the free end. CAUTION: High Voltage KICK BACK can happen when the source of voltage is removed due to field collapse. Typically a variac is used to drop the line voltage to something that doesn't blow up or smoke out the coil. Alternate methods have dropped the variac, and instead of the short, placed a 250-500 watt light-bulb (fixture) in its place. The spool is made of plastic.
Link: http://bob-dratch.org/#SelfSufficient
@ joe verry nice link
@ gk awsome explanation
@ all
im going shoping tommorow for 2 spools of wire and i do mean spools i have now a huge spool of 22 gage solid and im going for a spool of 30 and a spool of 26 gage i got a really good deal on my last spool around 40lbs of copper i have miles to play with and i will soon have many more coils to try on the scope im getting soooon aswell
hopefuly i can add more to this project after i have what i need to prociede
less than 2 weeks now i cant wait!!
is
to all
use vdownloader to download videos from
utube and google
get it here freeware
http://www.freewarefiles.com/program_5_239_23255.html
wer
Edit: Ehh, to much complication, it has to be something easily reproducable.
http://www.5th-state-of-matter.info/
http://www.halexandria.org/dward156.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/plasma1.txt
Dirt
Quote from: joe dirt on June 20, 2007, 04:18:42 PM
A few interesting links. Plasma as a superconductor? Would a neon tube, or
mercury vapor (as in street lights) be used in a toroidal shaped tube, accellerate
the particles with a "pinch" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-pinch , is there an
associated field around such devices.
http://www.5th-state-of-matter.info/
http://www.halexandria.org/dward156.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/plasma1.txt
Dirt
I thought the four forces were gravity, magnetism, and the strong and weak atomic forces.
:)
For an experiment I went ahead and wired up the old television yoke. In the pic
there,s four extra loops, each has a small led, the lamp and rectified circuit are
hooked to the out between the transistors, you can,t tell it but the bulb is at
incandescence and the voltage on the meter is at 70 volts, the battery is charged
to 12 volts (original charger burned out) not unity, but something I wanted to try.
Next I will use alunimum rings and wind these with bifilar to try and capture more of
the collapsing emf, possibly a reflected emf off the alunimum... Ehh who knows,
back to the bench :)
Dirt
P.S. the reason i,m not doing otto & roberto,s design is because I don,t have any
mosfets and besides I think that area is being covered quite well
@Joe, Very interesting posts. Thanks for the 'Out of the box' possibilities.
I wind coils and finish up fet controller. Due to my dangerous nature I have decided to make some safety inclusions.
One precept is that alot of single layer 30awg at 90 degrees to an adjacent conductor is harmful. I have proven this to myself and posted the results.
So I am using Polyethylene tubing which is not heat tolerant. If runaway occurs, the coil form will degrade thus stopping any further avalanche action. Also, the 30awg should defuse.
I am progressing towards the seed/RE production. I saw this on the GK4 with a 10mhz scope.
If the aquiring of the seed by 2 frequencies is achievable and causes great heat then I am screwed. I'll will have to rethink the performance before I replace the polyethylene with heat resistive automotive hose.
I am also impacting this design change with the multichannel mosfet driver. Do we really want to smack the copper faster / harder that has the capability for avalanche into runaway with no control in place? I have the overvoltage shutoff board that Mannix suggested I build after my first tests in Jan 07. But I feel that I should put in mechanical, thermal, chemical shutdown. The 30awg and the polyethylene will do this.
My hope is that these current mechanical variances will not allow 3 frequencies to be used. This will be a good test. We shall see.
The Tesla coils that are built using copper tubing spew out 6 to 10 foot sparks. At least you can see the energy output. On the TPU you get energy out before you see it. I ain't that crazy to play with that in close proximity. Been there, done that.
This post took on this format for the sake of documenting the operational progression at a slower rate with a greater level of variances thrown into the mix. We are not just pulsing coils any more.
--giantkiller. Greater science, greater safety.
Quote from: giantkiller on June 21, 2007, 12:44:00 PM
So I am using Polyethylene tubing which is not heat tolerant. If runaway occurs, the coil form will degrade thus stopping any further avalanche action. Also, the 30awg should defuse.
You can place a few thermo fuses in your coil.
When the temperature exceeds its limit it just opens - and current stops flowing :)
They also blow if current exceeds its limits - usually 10A.
Farnell link:
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=411+1001445&Ntk=gensearch_001&Ntt=thermo+fuse&Ntx=
Yes. This can be done.
My approach is if this soft plastic unit does not melt then the testing can progress on the path towards the previously stated goal. There would still be room for improvments to get to power harnessing.
But, if at this stage there is a meltdown, then there is no room to grow as of yet. The progression to control based on the new findings would be mandatory before going to power harnessing.
Two pronged approach.
I am also going to test the mosfets in, mosfets out configuration.
--giantkiller. Stepping lightly around the sleeping beast.
Hey G.k., appreciate your efforts.
another interesting link:
http://www.mdatechnology.net/outreach/tech_update.aspx?art=3607
Dirt "let,s roll"
I am going to hold off on any new testing of coils during space shuttle re-entry and landing.
--giantkiller. :D
Here is the inital result from the spreadsheet i posted. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36495.html#msg36495
200 turns from mid point in both directions to the marks on the visio printout for angular distances.
I wanted 600 turns but the i could only fit 400 per segment. That is where the sheet is wrong. but the wire length is right on.
I drove 2 nails in my yard fence @ 30 feet apart for 60 feet folded in half. wound both halves onto spools. Wound each spool for 200 turns from mid point onto 6" ring.
Take special note of the smooth 30awg reflection.
--giantkiller. Cruisin'
I hate posting all over the place, but oh well.
There are alot of ways.
I will dissertate again. The open tpu has 4 on a horizontal plane. Somewhere on the guy there is a receiver to pick up the clashing fields. Like Roberto posted about the sharp edge being very high speed. I didn't see that before but now I see it. The other tpus have that wing running along the vertical plane. The open tpu is multifilar with co-mingled fields. The other tpus (SM4 & SM6) could be that also. The SM17 uses 2 frequencies. That looks like the vertical wing with top and bottom facing edges also. I posted about the wing edges on the GK4. I have tons of them and they don't line up 100%. 3 layers worth. Wavewatcher posted about opposing frequencies and the clashing fields. I used 3 frequencies to achieve this. Sloppy though. That is why I am winding the Otto/Roberto single wing tpu. It has the mobuis technique that Otto posted for us to do back in December 2006. I also ran a stun gun through GK4. Wow! Vertical RE dartlets all around the ring where ever I ran my finger close by. Freaky.
It doesn't bother me if this next step isn't the finish line. Every test I ran blows my tie back. And I am aiming for another one.
The wing to eject a high speed field. 1 or many frequencies. It doesn't matter at this point. We have everything right in front of us. Mosfets for hi speed on/off times. The clashing fields was mentioned back in October.
--giantkiller. I believe I am exhausted.
By having 2 loops of different sizes you have a phase shift.
By having the signal go in 2 different directions you increase the frequency of head-on interactions of the magnetic fields which equates to very high speed clashing. The gyrations are in the opposite direction by harmonic alignment.
If the 2 loops were the same size and tuned to the Shuman freq. one could see results. If the dymanic impedance can be kept stable or within a window you would basically have Earth as the speaker and the TPU as the microphone. We are pointing the microphone/TPU into the speaker/Earth to listen. That is also why when you flip it over it shuts off. But then in the new direction it can be restarted. The TPU is like having 2 microphones taped together in parallel in opposite directions. See?
And that my friends is the secret of operation. The Telsa coils gives us that tremendous push against the earths field and fires into the next one, precharging it in time with the next pulse. Whoa, baby!
The secret of the mechanics is what we are working on. The dynamics of the final step is where I am wading through. The GK4 showed all these results but not in concert. This new single wing tpu should show some control. Once again I have multiple Tesla coils inline each one running into the next one. The discharge field pushes into the next coil inline and so on and so on. Yes, this is a rail gun firing into a rail firing into a rail gun. The tuning is the process of bringing the RE discharge timing in sync with when the next pulse hits in circumferal distance of next coil on the ring. Perfect alignment equals precise nuclear alignment into a feed back generation cycle. This is the amplifier loop back to Earth. And she sings back in chorus.
Tesla coil = step up transformer. Just change the ratio or look at the expenditure of energy.
Don't know if that was what you knew already. I am just pursuing a clean firing mechanism.
Hey G.K.
Found a good historic reference, thought you might want to take a look:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15617/15617-h/15617-h.htm
decent illustrations.
Dirt
Posted new stuff:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36780.html#msg36780
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I posted this back on February 4-2007. See any similarities?
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More factoids:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws5.htm
a perfect antenna actually creates an event horizon unto itself. Sounds similarly like a radiant energy short to me.
--giantkiller.
bad post
to all
ok guys after reading the last 2 days i have to ask
the first drawing is ottos first final drawing
the second one is the final drawing every one is using
to me they are difrent as in not the same
to me the third drawing should be the one everyone should be using
because the three signals are in jected in to the ring from difrent angler points
these tap points will inject the signal in 2 directions at the same time. am i wrong?
wer
@wer,
please test the third! Let's compare the results.
Roberto
@ wer
Please remember, if you do this to test "opposing signals", there has to be two thing, or it will not work:
A. Identical signals (same exact frequency)
B. Each with it's own source. If the same source is used, it will not work. :)
Cheers,
Bruce
@Wer,
Quote from: weri812 on June 26, 2007, 12:45:31 AM
to me the third drawing should be the one everyone should be using
because the three signals are in jected in to the ring from difrent angler points
these tap points will inject the signal in 2 directions at the same time. am i wrong?
Yes, this is a more simplified drawing and I can see that direction of current travel on the mobius loop (tuning capacitor?) is going to be different too.
Certainly if it is an antenna then the connection point will be important.
From my experience with designing & building PCB microwave (2.4GHz) antennas, even a difference of 0.5mm can make all the difference.
I wonder where wavewatcher went?
Rob
Quote from: btentzer on June 26, 2007, 08:09:23 AM
@ wer
Please remember, if you do this to test "opposing signals", there has to be two thing, or it will not work:
A. Identical signals (same exact frequency)
B. Each with it's own source. If the same source is used, it will not work. :)
Cheers,
Bruce
This is untrue. What do you base this on? Same frequencies at the same amplitude will only result in signals adding. You will get nothing but standard results, as the output will be nothing more than the summed input. You have to find the cct potential. In other words there has to be asymmetry. Without asymmetry there is no potential.
By the way, the third is only a simplified wiring of the second. If you look at the last posting of robertos latest ECD, that's exactly how he did it. The control is tapped directly to the collector like this.
That last new drawing I just seen looks like a much better setup and is exactly what I was talking about in my video. Running the HV into the collector. I think now we need to use the frequencies to tune the collector to have a charge separation between the 2 collector wires. This charge separation on the collector would mean the collector is like a capacitor and thus should provide DC on the output with a partial frequency. Or another way to look at it would be that 1 ring of the collector is electron rich and the other collector becomes protonic or of + charge, the connection of the 2 collector rings would be the same as a static charge. I will be testing a new tpu setup this weekend pulsing each coil independent with the secondary HV connected to the bottom collector to test this theory.
Good work GK
Cam
On another note!
Now I am really pissed...
This article talks about wireless energy with no mention of Tesla! The man who found this science and accomplished this over 100 years ago. His demo, not experiment!, lit multiple, large bulbs in a neighboring field 50 feet to 25 yards away. HellOOOOOOOOOOH.
This article goes on to say that they can only light a 60w bulb a few feet but that they, with their pompous, thieving extrapolations are the founders reinventing old science. Assholes! And the same to the status quo that buys off on these learned monkeys. Now academia passes out PHDs with the frequency and placidity of a blather farm. Big title, no work, all fame. Gimme a BREAK! Thou shall not steal.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/7418/
Ok, I am done now.
And no mention of how much power they are wasting in the Transmitter.
SICK EM GK! I sent them a real pissy email and was totally ignored. Figures huh?
About WaveWatcher, posted somewhere his handle no longer works so is posting with a new one. Look in News/Bird on a wire/
should find him there.
To all:
OK, have my fets,drivers and all. Now "exactly" which circuit am I to build? Which is the group going with. That way I will be on the same page hopefully.
sugra
@ gnostic
Please catch up by reading WaveWatchers posts on "bird on a wire" in the news section. Different source is ALL the difference. Too much time to rehash..but everything is there, and on my thread, and look at all of sugra's recent post. Thank!
Cheers,
Bruce
Hello all
Tesla is right, you can get d.c. from a.c. with just windings, in the pic I have an led
hooked to an outer winding, all I did was flip the led over and nothing else.
Dirt
hi joe Tesla did also make a rectifier with permanent magnets which he used to convert his AC to DC because the grid was develloped for DC and he needed to power it from a AC signal untill the grid was replaced for use with his AC.
i also had a patent of that of it but i cannot find it right now.
Marco.
Here is yet another excel spread sheet? I used this one to calculate the length of the secondary based on weight of the primary. It also calculates resistance. The colored columns are the or column. Fill in the weight value in the colored row to get the resistance. enter length to get weight.
Cam
thanks to all
i was asking to help clear it up in my own mind
i cant do any testing at this time
waiting on parts to come
thanks again to all
wer
Quote from: btentzer on June 26, 2007, 11:52:54 AM
@ gnostic
Please catch up by reading WaveWatchers posts on "bird on a wire" in the news section. Different source is ALL the difference. Too much time to rehash..but everything is there, and on my thread, and look at all of sugra's recent post. Thank!
Cheers,
Bruce
Alright bruce, I have not read that thread in a couple days. Has he actually shown us anything yet? Given any experimental setups and results? Documented anything yet?
That's kinda why I stopped reading it. No disrespect intended to WW of course, but with nothing to DO, and nothing to SHOW. I cannot simply take what he says as fact, as you have. I'd much prefer to take what otto have done and shown to work, which is three distinct frequencies, not two that are the same from different sources. This could be the case, don't get me wrong, but ww has only theory thus far. I haven't seen any of his results.
I'll go read it to see what I've missed. Perhaps something has changed since I last checked in there.
Rich
@GK, what's really funny about that stuff is that marco has done better than that, just following the constantin meyl documents on my ftp.
Anyone can. 5 feet? Pfffffft. Rasburies! Hacks!
What a bunch of n00bs.
Rich
Was asked to remove post...
Isn't that an induction coil?
might try a small iron object in the center of the coil.
18v x 1.5A = 27 watts
Might also connect the ground end to a water pipe or similar and the other end to a large isolated metal object - such as a trashcan lid or large oven pan lying on a wooden table - see if it induces a charge in your door knob. Just brush it with the back of your hand. This is similar to an experiment that Thompson wrote about which led Tesla to RE. Thompson was just trying to get larger sparks...
Iron men rule, Dudes!
--je'an Kil ar!
@ grumpy gee arn't the 2 toriod windings in the middle of SM's 15 in TPU magnetic IRON on top of a aluminum heat sink ( bounceing magnetic feild ) that's in atomic strctures causes harmonic fields (rubbing together makes heat) resonating at 168kz and one lower fq , lets just sit back and take a look . where's the pump. outer ring reciver , top ring wind - bottem plate (very thin -foil capicatince ring) 47mf cap control bias With resistor - 1 for each phase or winding. on your post the ground would be a water pipe or ground ( not the breaker pannel or fuse box ground ) earth ground (large plate or long rod , flat plate is preferable)
The Larmor frequency of the Earth's total magnetic field is around 170khz - based on geomagnetic data.
The Earth's field is composed of three components and each varies with the location on the earth. The north component is around 85 khz. the east component is around 20 khz, and the vertical component is around 145 khz. The can vary be a great degree, but you always have the three. Magnetometers are used to measure - Tesla was very good...
The "pump" would be the rotating field that SM said was a "necessary" part of the device.
QuoteYES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. (Control coils) THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
I have no idea what would happen if you created a rotating field that resonated with the earth's own magnetic field or one of it's components - not sure I want to find out either.
This following statement seems to touch on this idea:
QuoteSeptember 27, 2006
It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range which would make pc scopes unusable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
MHz range - Dave Lowrance suggested 5 MHz. Rotation at a lower feq would not exclude the production of MHz signals if the condition were right for it.
Another quote and reference to Tesla's work with magnetometers:
QuoteHe was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power. However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow. That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere.
Probably the best conceptual starting point for UWB is to explore that favourite plaything of electrical engineers, the Dirac impulse. Infinitely short, the impulse has an infinite bandwidth. It is a mathematical abstraction which we cannot replicate in the physical world.
However, if we produce an extremely short pulse, in the frequency spectrum it will spread its energy over a very large bandwidth, which gets wider as the pulse gets shorter.
If we are aiming to exploit Shannon, we want as wide a bandwidth as possible. The question which arises is of course, how to produce a practical modulation scheme which can exploit the properties of very short pulses, yet be implementable with affordable hardware.
Several obvious problems arise immediately:
What kind of signal do we use to emulate the behaviour of an impulse ?
How do we encode the modulation on to the UWB signal ?
How to make a wideband antenna which is directional ?
How to make the modulation hardware to produce UWB signals ?
The first question is interesting indeed. Clearly, the modulation scheme has to put out a very short burst of energy, followed by a big gap, to acquire the huge spreading ratio required.
Current researchers are exploring four techniques for doing this:
Singlet impulses, essentially a spike with a DC component.
Doublets, or paired impulses.
Monocycles, essentially a single cycle of a sinewave which has been shaped.
Wavelets, essentially a small number of cycles of a sinewave, which have been shaped.
Wavelets and monocycles appear to be the favourites in the UWB literature, since techniques exist for generating them and the mathematics behind them are reasonably tractable. Being able to produce a monocycle or a wavelet does not however answer the question of how to encode the message.
http://www.ausairpower.net/AC-0900.html
Got this from Cavetronics...
--giantkiller.
So basically the tpu uses radiant energy, generated by the 90 degree coupling, to push the potential further out into space than an electromagnetic pulse can. Thereby giving the mag field a longer return trip which increases it energy by time and distance for return to equalibrium. The event hoizon is further out in space. The BEMF is the reverse of that which is picked up by the copper. Now as the BEMF is heading back towards equalibrium from its furthest point out we tap it again with a radiant energy pulse and we are collapsing space by force. So instead of pushing the field we are tapping it. The analogy would be 'we are not using gasoline but nuclear force'. As the radiant energy slows down through the energy spectrum one of the residual effects would be a magnetic field. This couples inductively to the coil in parallel. I am applying the angular change of the Poynting vector here.
The rotating field is a by product. The tpu control coils are being fired in the same direction. Now it is very obvious.
The 90 degree coupling is a micro point wing. Tesla coils emit into the air because the energy is pushed to the end of the wire where there is only one micro point for exit. The tpu control coils emit along their broadside by the 1000 wires perpendicular to the collectors. The GK4 has 2400 micro point wing couplings, the GKMTC1 has 2,400, the GKECD1 has 19,200 all made up using 30awg, iron wire, lamp wire. The radiant energy exits and enters at sharp curves, points, or edges, hence the wing shape.
I still don't know why the initial RE pulse appears at the middlie point between the ending of the previous ringing and before the next pulse without any adjustment to start with. But then you can move that back and forth.
And that is what Otto and Roberto have done. The RE pulse is moved to the most adventagous tap point that sends the swing or the next bounce of the trampoline on into space in the direction it is naturally heading.
So an RE pulse gotten by 90 degree coupling is necessary. Then move it into the ringing of the next pulse to produce a harmonic pairing for extra energy. The greater product always returns.
Ya think black holes operate the same way? Shouldn't be any different, just longer in time...
--giantkiller.
Hi GK:
I'm kinda of confused.... I think you have several models of your TPU (codenames) and a lot of explanations on theories of operation etc. I'm sorry I have not been able to catch up with everyone's experimentation till date, except for Ronotte & Otto, perhaps.
Does any of your devices actually work? Meaning like your have conducted detailed measurements with reproducable radiant energy (OU or not)? Would be nice if the details were more precise without the theories? Thanks.
Regards
chrisC
You have to be well read on the devices that have produced High frequency energy. I have produced RE with 2 coils. I am the only one to introduce the use of stunguns as lightning generators into the coils. I have produced damaging effects with 2 coils. I have seen Tesla's dartlets. I have seen the seed on the GK4 and have moved it to and fro in the signal on another coil. I have seen VHF signals through the use of phase cancellation.
The individuals who have experienced RE in their own tests do not interogate with questions dealing with detailed results. It just too enjoyable to see. I have posted specs for powering and freq combos. Others have too but questions still abound. I have also posted videos of waves and wave explainations. I realize these Blog sites are not repositories but are timelines so it makes it tough to research and investigate if a reader has not started from the beginning or kept up. This is a major problem especially when there are many threads.
If it sounds like I have been their for a long time then I am sorry. After my results I have moved on into bigger TPU territory. We don't have the tools to measure RE but can use our classic physics and electronics knowledge to surmise what is going on. If the group as a whole hasn't experience the outcome of a theory is it still theory? For those of us that have seen the RE and high RF effects, we know. For those that haven't then I can only say build and test something. This is the kindest I know how to be. But there definately is a difference in the type of questions by the those who haven't seen this phenominum compared to those who have. The answers don't lie in conventional electronics and for that matter standard physics. A number of us have taken this to the books and professors for the 'Dumb look'.
There are a number of us waiting on parts, building mosfet boards, winding coils, and testing. I am in the middle of all these options for this next step. I, like others, have piles of coils in the TPU graveyard that I am proud of because I built and tested. Others are too.
I guess my next coil result post has been too long in coming. I assure you I am chomping at the bit to get the next test up and running. I have a history of doing dangerous things here too. So be patient with us who are well past the starting gate. I, for one, only work for myself. I post to entice others to learn and build and not spoon feed anybody.
--giantkiller. The proud, the few, the aware, and it hurts!
GK:
Thanks for the detailed reply. I had hoped we will have a thread just for specific results with circuits and measurements plus a little explanation but not wild theory. Just consistent reproducible test results and nothing else. This way, it will be easier for those of us like myself who have yet to wind a coil to follow and perhaps understand and confirm when it's time to duplicate.
On another note, SM touched his (albeit taped up) coils in the demos and there was no burnt flesh or Electro-Magnetic discharge and other wierdo effects. Maybe his stuff operates without all these 'dangerous' waves? Are we on the right track or perhaps we're over cooking the TPU recipe?
Regards
chrisC
Quote from: chrisC on June 28, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
On another note, SM touched his (albeit taped up) coils in the demos and there was no burnt flesh or Electro-Magnetic discharge and other wierdo effects. Maybe his stuff operates without all these 'dangerous' waves? Are we on the right track or perhaps we're over cooking the TPU recipe?
Regards
chrisC
@ Chris
Actually, that is not altogether accurate. SM's TPU put out a great deal of:
1. Radio Frequency interference - Take a look at the TV near the unit
2. Electro Magnetic Pulse - So much so that Solid State circuitry was affected, unless in the center of the Toroid. Also, so much that the DC to AC inverter had to be put far from the unit to function properly.
3. And as far as Radiant Energy, remember the 15" TPU cut? Look where the wires are. In the 6", my guess is they are in the same place. The wires under the tape on the 6" I believe were AC electromagnets and not harmful to touch.
4. If you read the engineering reports, in the original .pdf compiled by Lindsay, you see the problem of overheating. EVERY unit after 2-2.5 hours needed to be shut down before it overheated. SM and engineers attributed the problem to eddy currents.
We are all on the right path, we just need more experimenters!
Thank you for your time, (Happy Days!)
Bruce
Great post guys!
There is alot to be learned here. After I microwaved my hand and elbow I became instantly humbled and had the big 'Oh wow!' Tesla moment. So have others. What is it? You just walk around for days astonished at what you yourself have in your possession and have done. And you mind goes wild with enthusiasm.
Please, please be safe. I know this alot to ask but if you haven't read all the posts and you ask yourself 'What are they babbling about?' then there is another level of energy we are talking that isn't so clear to the neophyte. No disrespect intended. You need to read it all. There is a large amount of Tesla / nonstandard knowledge and information here. It might seem a bit radical but it is real.
SM has pain in his hands to this day and Otto reported a numb thumb. I've been lucky so far. Close calls though.
UHF magnetic fields are nothing to clown around with. I have been consulting with 2 antenna engineers and 1 high power engineer. They let me know always when it is dangerous. When it comes to safety posts I have the most from around the world and all levels. That tells me I am on track with results. I heed the warnings. You can cook a limb off before you feel at the next higher joint.
I am not so concerned at this point with measurements but more with action level results. Others work at measurement levels. So you might not get the level of detail pertaining to true engineering mindset. But I do post results for others to try or to say the least 'very strange things'.
I copy coils, make valid variations, make my own and fire them up. And sometimes just to get one little result set. It is all we can do at this juncture. It is like a blank canvas. Paint yourself a picture.
I can state this with great pride. All the builders have the coolest desktop ornaments in the world. They don't have to work. Just show someone who is interested and watch the glee and curiosity in their eyes as you tell them about the tests.
--giantkiller. All comments are welcome. I got to get back to building, now. Coils, controllers, boxes.
Quote from: btentzer on June 28, 2007, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: chrisC on June 28, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
On another note, SM touched his (albeit taped up) coils in the demos and there was no burnt flesh or Electro-Magnetic discharge and other wierdo effects. Maybe his stuff operates without all these 'dangerous' waves? Are we on the right track or perhaps we're over cooking the TPU recipe?
Regards
chrisC
@ Chris
Actually, that is not altogether accurate. SM's TPU put out a great deal of:
1. Radio Frequency interference - Take a look at the TV near the unit
2. Electro Magnetic Pulse - So much so that Solid State circuitry was affected, unless in the center of the Toroid. Also, so much that the DC to AC inverter had to be put far from the unit to function properly.
3. And as far as Radiant Energy, remember the 15" TPU cut? Look where the wires are. In the 6", my guess is they are in the same place. The wires under the tape on the 6" I believe were AC electromagnets and not harmful to touch.
4. If you read the engineering reports, in the original .pdf compiled by Lindsay, you see the problem of overheating. EVERY unit after 2-2.5 hours needed to be shut down before it overheated. SM and engineers attributed the problem to eddy currents.
We are all on the right path, we just need more experimenters!
Thank you for your time, (Happy Days!)
Bruce
1. Radio Frequency interference - Take a look at the TV near the unit
I'd have to disagree with the radio interference based on the TV unit.
The videos of the working TV I've seen have not exhibited radio interference IMO. To me it looks like general poor signal quality, which causes the loss of vertical sync and the rollover of the picture. Radio interference is likely to show up as long horizontal white/black noise lines, audio glitches or short, white lines speckled across the TV picture. I don't remember seeing these on the TV.
2. Electro Magnetic Pulse - So much so that Solid State circuitry was affected, unless in the center of the Toroid.
This is actually a major clue to what is happening if we could figure this out. Normally magnetic effects are concentrated in the center of coils - it is very strange that the center is the place for the electronics.
What is that SM is doing that allows the center to be free of these effects ?
Quote from: bob.rennips on June 29, 2007, 01:08:45 AM
1. Radio Frequency interference - Take a look at the TV near the unit
I'd have to disagree with the radio interference based on the TV unit.
The videos of the working TV I've seen have not exhibited radio interference IMO.
hi Bob,
as you look in one of the video's you can clearly see that when Steven disconnects a bulb from the coil, the video camera responds heavily to the coil winding up for a short period.
then the control unit "pulls it down" again so to say, it stabilizes the coil.
i do not have the exact timeline of this ,but when i find a spare minute i will post it.
Marco.
Grab this file:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg37542.html#msg37542
Just a look see of the SM17(17.zip)
Well we do know this: SM is right handed.
Notice where and how he holds is left hand while the right hand is doing something with the coil. He is not holding his tie back.
On with the show...
The 2 inner coils in the SM17 are wound alike but facing 180 degree out of phase. You can tell by the matching gaps. The black
base that they sit on have a positive and negative bayonet connectors but are not used(17-43). There are 2 fuse holders on the
back(17-54). Once again, one is empty. I contend that is for reduced power out. The remaining fuse is a spark gap. Why do you think I bought 2 stunguns? I am hot to trot on the FET driver for portabiity. I can't test around my network anymore.
I contend the control box is an empty audio ampilfier housing (17-50). Remember the paradyme shift (www.paradyme.com) in response to my dolphin wave post? He places the left and right channels on it. Just have the 2 fuses in
place.
There are bayonet connections at the same symmetrical place on the opposite(left) inner coil and 2 rc tanks in the background
(17-5, 17-49).
And there is a symmetry to the wing edge for a winding type on the right side of the ring(17-41). And then there is fine winding
on the left side of the ring(17-38). The larger ring windings match the symmetry of the smaller halves of the inner coils. The ring
is split in half or has 2 sides of operation? 2 inner coils, 2 mains going out, 2 fuses, 2 switches, 2 tanks circuits, 2 ring windings, 2 frequencies, 2 spark gaps, 2 large caps(white front and back of control box).
If he is using the whole ring in 2 segments/halves to do phase cancellation across the center where the inner coils are and then bouncing or transmitting that with the RE from the spark gaps then sh!t, there is your monster power right there.
Or it is lke I said many moons ago. 'The SM17 was always on and is the radiant tranmitter. Remember the 2 Frequency turn on switches? They don't do jack. The little tpus are receivers'. How do I know this? Marco did that show and tell right after
I posted that. He has never been wrong. How did the SM4 work outside? It works anywhere on the planet! And some of you argued about that. Telsa told us this. It is instantaneous. The SM4 and 6 put out dc not ac. The 120 volt devices were The Pledge. The
light bulb glowing was The Turn. We have seen The Prestige and part of answer. We just need to find the lever that works the trap door in the stage floor. You remove the fuse from the SM17 and the little TPUs won't work. What? Think about that from the Tesla viewpoint. This is a demo of the car that Tesla drove his nephew around in.
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The open units are self contained. They contain transmitters, receivers, flybacks/stun gun single stage transformers. The
flybacks are the RE generators. This unit has sharp edges on a horizontal plane.
We use electricity to create a radiant field. That is when the energy is faster than the conductor and has a great need to dissapate. The sharp edges eject the radiant energy through space. The downgraded energy is now magnetic. The magnetic energy is a demodulation of radiant energy. This follows the Power transmission 'Inverse Squared Law'.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/isq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering
The open unit can also use the latch mags to create an RE drain. A transformer can be used to capture that. This could then be
input to the flyback or stun gun stage. And we then fire the coils again. It's all about the timing. Mosfets might make a difference.
But wait there's more! The GK4 tests were done with BJTs (Bipolar junction trannys). Hmmm.
Proof? I put the alum rings on a seemingly dead coil (GKMTC1) and it bit me. BJTs again.
Now in the ECD, the 6" edge shoots the RE into space. The closest conductor is the 4" loop and the RE drains to that point.
At that point the RE slows down at the copper and it relaligns along the angular vector of the Poynting vectors. The copper
then conducts it away.
So the stages are coils in parallel and series. A magnet wrapped onto the input of the flyback/stungun trigger, The secondary
as an integral winding of the coil inductively coupled back to the coils in parallel and series.
This is a test after my setup is done. When I fired the GK4 with the stungun I didn't have a way to collect it. The iron wire
would not have worked because it was connected to the frequencies. Therefore not a stable magnetic drain. But the Noemag
in the center vibrated to beat all. I should have wrapped wire around it. Now I see the potential way better.
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Sm glued the 2 inner coils on top of the control box with the same silicon glue that he patched the rest of the unit with(17-37).
He used the edge to clean cut or wipe off the loose strings.
Is that a capacitor(paper wound), diode, or resistor in that bundle (17_32)? 2 matching tanks to the bigger tanks, the rings and
the big caps with an rc time constant in there.
I would be willing to bet the bundles are resistors. All big component pairs have a smaller sibling pair!
There are 2 connections to each of the fuse holders (17-3). This has serious implications against the staus quo.
I claim the control box doesn't do a thing. It is empty and it has the oscillator components wrapped around it. That is why SM
showed the disconnected terminal connectors. Just like the empty fuse holder. He would simply state 'Test connections' to
anybody that asked(17-25).
I would even be so brave to say that he has extra wires(17_24) with extra connectors and loops.
Well 17-20 shows a slight back shot of the control box. Nothing to see.
17-19 shows the back shot and again nothing. Looks like the white cap is just tucked up along side.
17-18 shows the cap connected to the inner coil and the nylon connector. Where does the front cap connect to? It could
come under neath and in parallel with the back one.
Uh oh! The fuse wires cross. Maybe a mobius connection from the center(17-14)?
17-13 is a good shot to trace that out. You can even get a mobius arangement by putting one of the inner coils 180 in the
opposite direction.
Nothing on the back side of the control box(17-12, 17-11). Could be just holding a small battery pack. The access into the
control unit is underneath it.
An unequivocable shot of the fuses. Like searching for the Titanic. This should be enough to spur more interest. I need to
get to building. Again! Somebody look these over who doesn't want to or can't build.
This is Tesla's remote control boat demo. It has the RC circuit feeding the oscillators, 2 tank resonancy (the big caps and
rings) reception circuits and the spark gap for the telegraph key transmission of power all in one unit. Oh sh!t the SM 17 uses
the big ring as the radiant amplifier and the feedback to itself! I did this with the stun gun ezflow loops! The big units are self contained. The little units listen to the big units.
The pledge, the turn, and the prestige. Nothing is worth giving away the secret to your trick. For without that you have
nothing. Remember who the audience is.
I grew up on the rough streets of Philadelphia. I don't trust dog and pony shows regardless of what the show is.
All of the demos are in the same abode. But the distance doesn't matter.
--giantkiller.
he energizes the coil by placing a large speaker magnet facing south on the side of the left little control coil inside.
then he puts the magnet faced north on the right side of the other control coil.
and then he takes little magnets and he "fine tunes" the outer ring segments.
you can see all of it when you focus on the video's.
Marco.
Painstakingly through the muck and mire.
--giantkiller.
hi GK :)
that looks like a 4? channel drive.
verry nice.
Marco
Quote from: -[marco]- on June 30, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
"or when they are connected in reverese of one another." (transformers)
Great to see someone working on what SM was talking about concerning transformers.
I think this could become a big topic in its own right.
What's your understanding of connecting transformers "in reverse of one another" ?
I'm thinking:
Output of Transformer A going to Input of Transformer B.
Output of Transformer B going to Input of Transformer A.
Assuming there is a pulse of coil A also going on. Will there be a small phase delay as the signal is 100% feedback on the original signal ?
Or is he talking driving input A and input B and connecting the output together ?
hi Bob,
i think it's more like they are connected in reverse so the fields cancel out each other between the transformers and the distance in between will show some intresting results.
i am currently working on this item.
here is a short video which shows the transformers reacting to magnets nearby.
Marco.
Hi Bob, Hi Marco et al,
I have always been a fan of repelling magnetic fields. The attached image shows how the magnetic fields bend 90 degrees. Another interesting property is that a magnetic black hole is formed between the two (electro)magnets.
Regards, Earl
hi Earl,
indeed yesterday when i placed two magnets in a 90 degree fashion (one horizontal and one vertical) ontop of a transformer there was some sort of intresting "scattering" like phenomena in the output signal.
it got my attention and i am going to examine it further.
Marco.
Quote from: Earl on July 01, 2007, 10:44:13 AM
Hi Bob, Hi Marco et al,
I have always been a fan of repelling magnetic fields. The attached image shows how the magnetic fields bend 90 degrees. Another interesting property is that a magnetic black hole is formed between the two (electro)magnets.
Regards, Earl
My, Earl that is an interesting bit of information indeed. As I have said, 7.3 can only come from either:
1. AC electromagnet(s) at 7.3 Hz
2. Tuned tesla pick up coil/effective antenna
Someone mentioned, I think bob.R that it is interesting that all the circuits go into the middle where one would think the fields would be the strongest. Hmmm....now you know why I want to experiment also with electromagnet(s) tuned to 7.3 Hz around the ECD with it's three frequencies.
It is either there artificially or naturaly. Not too many experiments to find out, I believe.
Cheers,
Bruce
marco and gk
i think you are doing great work
gk a question remember the black hole sun did you have any luck with that model? i remember you built 1 a while ago but herd nothing more about it im sure it could have worked i beleave i was so close at 1 point in time on the tpu but have lost it all now i could even see in my mind the compleat workings of the sm 17 including the plasma feild but i no longer can see it my mind has been cloulded over it will come back as it always does but not soon enough
turbo verry neet vid how about this
do just what you had but make a ring 4 transformes a collector ring inside of the ring mags formed into a circle and bounce the flux of the ring mags into the collector wire kind of hard to understand what i mean but basicly a mechanical tpu or a tpu with pmemaniant magnets insted of coils
just some crazy thoughts
my scope will be comming soon i have to finish the job im on first as every job goes there is always extras but i will get there
ok all this really sux i had it for a min i wrote it all out here then my puter crashed what i had written was awsome but is now lost gotta love windoze neways
i wish i could have remembered what i had said but i cant maybe it will come back
but it just made realy good sence im sure you all would have thought the same but i guess it was not time
it was all about freq and size of rings it just made much sence to me and it was simple but i went on top say how i thought it was like teslas death ray i think it was 1 of my best poasts ever im sorry you all could not have read it but when it comes back i will share it with all till then im back thinking i can say my thoughts were trigured by turbos video i will try to retrace my last footsteps and see if i can get it back
i was saying why i thought it was only 2 freqs and how the 3rd 1 worked to make the entire tpu operate but agin they were only thoughts but i think my best so far on this project
one thing i remember from it was that tesla said all we have to do is put our coils in harmony with the earth and we can convert as much power as a given coil can handle
i will leave it there hopefuly it will come back to me
is
Quote from: -[marco]- on July 01, 2007, 07:44:07 AM
hi GK :)
that looks like a 4? channel drive.
verry nice.
Marco
And it's 1,2,3,4 all seperate. If I need synching I can pull the fet drive from inside and patch something in. That will make the
next step of geting the fet drivers next to the fets themselves. The fet driver board is temporary. I am working on a
circular one for fet placement in the TPU. You an Roberto did this. I wil too. I don't mind taking smaller steps. Better
for safety reasons, the audience behavior and participation.
@all,
Along the lines of the transformer action:
I will put this in perspective using alot of examples.
This comes under the heading of magnetic field shearing.
It can be done in many ways and we see it everyday.
This is done by Bedini and Bearden with the bicycle wheel. 2 magnets passing each other.
This has been done by Bill Muller with the large aluminum wheel. It actually is a larger model of the electric meter on your abode.
The Perendev motor. Not electrical connections on this puppy. But we know the next step. Just place pickups on it.
These are all mechanical so these attempts are good show and tells. This approach will not sustain any strength in the future.
Put a blocking oscillator in the feedback loop and you have the little girl circuit motor. Why do some versions of this show a small dc motor? Spark gap. We here at OU haven't approached this avenue enough. Tesla's work screams about this neccessity.
The real approach is solid state.
SM said many times. 2 balls rotating in space. Wow! Sounds like the machine in the movie contact.
We all know this well.
Lets state the obvious again and it is never boring.
Counter rotating magnetic field equals extremely high speed opposition.
Non-counter rotating needs 2 frequencies. This equals phase cancellation and intemodulation which equates to extremely high speed harmonic or resultant frequencies.
Both of these methods can produce speed greater than your wildest dreams at no cost. The timers circuits we try to do this with pale in comparison to
letting the coil do it for us! Work smarter not harder!
Look at the Hubbard coils. He agitated the coils with some Radioactive material. Can you say half-life? RFC.
http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
I made the Bedini LGC with 2 cross coupled stunguns too. First output to 2 trigger. 2nd trigger to 1st trigger. The loop
took off for one cycle then fried the 2nd gun on the 2nd loop. Whaddya think? If I buffered my trigger inputs I would
have OU. Say again? Look at the excessive RE coming out of the guns. Electrically this is not OU. But across the spectrum of energies it is. The losses are our inability here to tune, time, and capture RE. I am talking on a different plane here. Tesla would love this one.
The opposing transformer fits in here nicely too. Looks mighty close to running two fields past each other. Hmmm...
No matter what the expression of variables through these projects are they all point down to one thing and that is
high speed agitation and/or interference.
The key is and always will be for any progress is running the copper faster than it can react. Same process as bombarding an aluminium plate with xray, vibrating a piece of metal greater than 40khz, or pushing energy off the end of a wire into space.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on July 01, 2007, 11:39:41 AM
marco and gk
i think you are doing great work
gk a question remember the black hole sun did you have any luck with that model? i remember you built 1 a while ago but herd nothing more about it im sure it could have worked i beleave i was so close at 1 point in time on the tpu but have lost it all now i could even see in my mind the compleat workings of the sm 17 including the plasma feild but i no longer can see it my mind has been cloulded over it will come back as it always does but not soon enough
turbo verry neet vid how about this
do just what you had but make a ring 4 transformes a collector ring inside of the ring mags formed into a circle and bounce the flux of the ring mags into the collector wire kind of hard to understand what i mean but basicly a mechanical tpu or a tpu with pmemaniant magnets insted of coils
just some crazy thoughts
my scope will be comming soon i have to finish the job im on first as every job goes there is always extras but i will get there
is
@IS,
Yes I did turn that one on. It was physically close but mathematically and electrically wrong. I fired it with a stun gun and seen the sparks jump all over and the signal jump to the EZflow inductively. But that wasn't good enough. I moved the stun gun up to the 15" inch loop and fired it. That is when the test brought down my PCs, router, and cable modem. So I stopped and never went back the copy of what you were showing. My copy of the black hole sun has been shelved. Physically these coils can be made physically close but there are alsways other hidden factors. The is many of the previous coil winders have left.
Thanks for the question. I have a number of steps to take right now with what is on my plate.
Hi Marco,
be careful in your experiments not to be tricked by the magnets causing increased flux in the transformer cores, which decreases winding inductance.
In your video, I would say that the oscillator frequency changes are caused by decrease in winding inductance, which in turn is caused by increased core flux, which again is caused by increased external magnetic field.
I will soon post an image of what I mean by flux bending in opposing (repelling) magnetic fields.
Earl
Quote from: -[marco]- on July 01, 2007, 10:47:24 AM
hi Earl,
indeed yesterday when i placed two magnets in a 90 degree fashion (one horizontal and one vertical) ontop of a transformer there was some sort of intresting "scattering" like phenomena in the output signal.
it got my attention and i am going to examine it further.
Marco.
Here are some generic simulations showing how magnetic flux is bent in repelling fields, and how a magnetic black hole forms between the two poles.
The image "opposing coils+TPU" shows how two electromagnets could be used to "spray" a magnetic field into horizontal bars (the collector coil made out of a thousand fine Litz wires as well as a final external winding consisting of round dots (cross section view).
Notice that there is a big difference where the collector conductors are located in the coil. In the axial center of the coils there is little magnetic flux, however this might not be negative if
the magnetic black hole should cause an inrushing aether vortex.
It would make an interesting experiment to try moving the coils and compare results when the collector coils are
- in the axial center of the coil
- close to the coil wall
Notice that flux between unlike poles is captured and concentrated by a piece of iron, but that with like poles the magnetic flux totally ignores the presence of iron. This is because there simply in no flux there. This bending of magnetic flux into an orthogonal plane with resultant magnetic black hole has always fancinated me.
Feel free to ask questions about the images if you need further explanation.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: Earl on July 01, 2007, 02:19:52 PM
Hi Marco,
be careful in your experiments not to be tricked by the magnets causing increased flux in the transformer cores, which decreases winding inductance.
In your video, I would say that the oscillator frequency changes are caused by decrease in winding inductance, which in turn is caused by increased core flux, which again is caused by increased external magnetic field.
I will soon post an image of what I mean by flux bending in opposing (repelling) magnetic fields.
Earl
Quote from: -[marco]- on July 01, 2007, 10:47:24 AM
hi Earl,
indeed yesterday when i placed two magnets in a 90 degree fashion (one horizontal and one vertical) ontop of a transformer there was some sort of intresting "scattering" like phenomena in the output signal.
it got my attention and i am going to examine it further.
Marco.
Hi Earl,
i know what you mean and i already knew what was going on.
this video was the beginning of a series experiments and i am going to add some feedback factors to the transformers and then i hope to see things get really weird if you know what i mean.
Marco.
Quote from: Earl on July 01, 2007, 03:12:48 PM
Here are some generic simulations showing how magnetic flux is bent in repelling fields, and how a magnetic black hole forms between the two poles.
The image "opposing coils+TPU" shows how two electromagnets could be used to "spray" a magnetic field into horizontal bars (the collector coil made out of a thousand fine Litz wires as well as a final external winding consisting of round dots (cross section view).
Notice that there is a big difference where the collector conductors are located in the coil. In the axial center of the coils there is little magnetic flux, however this might not be negative if the magnetic black hole should cause an inrushing aether vortex.
It would make an interesting experiment to try moving the coils and compare results when the collector coils are
- in the axial center of the coil
- close to the coil wall
Notice that flux between unlike poles is captured and concentrated by a piece of iron, but that with like poles the magnetic flux totally ignores the presence of iron. This is because there simply in no flux there. This bending of magnetic flux into an orthogonal plane with resultant magnetic black hole has always fancinated me.
Feel free to ask questions about the images if you need further explanation.
Regards, Earl
Yes this is fascinating.
Can your sims show the spattering of RE from a crease or edge in the coil where the collector sits also? That would be very beneficial. So nothing shows this anywhere. Maybe something like this could set a new standard. Roberto posted a hand drawn picture. That is all we have to go on.
@all,
In regards to my next coil test, I am meticulous in my wiring and jumpering. That is what I am finishing up. I have to get the mobius' wired in. Then connected to the driver board. Then 1 fet at a time I will test against the coil. It is worth the time to do things correctly. This coil is one cool lookin' momma and should prove interesting.
--giantkiller.
Matter doesn't matter...
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 02, 2007, 11:25:53 PM
Matter doesn't matter...
--giantkiller.
Hmm okay, but does mass matter?
Well we use matter to get mass. Then we use the mass to get energy. Then we get more energy greater than the mass could possibly hope to equal. Overunity.
@All,
My first ECD test!
Circuit is 555, MAX621, IRF840, Otto/Roberto's ECD with slight variations in control coils.
I wired and fired my ECD this morning. I only used one freqency. The whole ECD is wired for completion so I would have to disconnect some connections to be able to fire only one control coil. So in essence all 3 control coils are firing with 1 frequency of 1khz at 12v pulses.
I attach my new OWON scope to ground of the FET ckt and put the probe on the Drain of the 1st fet. The other 3 FETS are pulled out. I set the probe to 1000x probe setting, turn the voltage setting to 5v/div. I then turn on the FET circuit. The screen shows the 12v square wave of 1ms pulse width of 50% duty. On the leading edge I have spikes that are taller than the screen. I change the V/div to 5kv/div. I still cant' see the tops of the spikes. I turn the midline voltage down all the way. The pulses go below the screen but the spikes are still to high to see the tops. I dont get it.
I had to get ready for work. I turn the circuit off. I touch the heatsink and it is hot. I come back to the circuit 45 minutes later. Something is fried. I need to see about this later. If I blew a FET then I am in the club just out of the starting gate.
Something about the infrastructure is wrong and broken. This is a project of perseverence not production, yet!
--giantkiller. After all, it is 4th of July here.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 03, 2007, 02:50:48 PM
So in essence all 3 control coils are firing with 1 frequency of 1khz at 12v pulses.
GK - Is each of these three signals different sources? If so, we have Identical signals/different sources, opposing one another.
I attach my new OWON scope to ground of the FET ckt and put the probe on the Drain of the 1st fet. The other 3 FETS are pulled out. I set the probe to 1000x probe setting, turn the voltage setting to 5v/div. I then turn on the FET circuit. The screen shows the 12v square wave of 1ms pulse width of 50% duty. On the leading edge I have spikes that are taller than the screen. I change the V/div to 5kv/div. I still cant' see the tops of the spikes. I turn the midline voltage down all the way. The pulses go below the screen but the spikes are still to high to see the tops. I dont get it.
??? Either - Wow!! or what?
I had to get ready for work. I turn the circuit off. I touch the heatsink and it is hot. I come back to the circuit 45 minutes later. Something is fried. I need to see about this later. If I blew a FET then I am in the club just out of the starting gate.
Sorry you fried something. Hopefully it will be a quick fix.
Something about the infrastructure is wrong and broken. This is a project of perseverence not production, yet!
--giantkiller. After all, it is 4th of July here.
See above.
Warm Regards,
Bruce :)
UH,,, GK, wrong type of fireworks :o
suggie
Check that your fet is turning off after use and not hanging in the on state. I have some fets here that from the get go were on. Only turn off when I brought the gate low. These are the ones that I thought were bad from the start. Just need a pull down resistor. Try about a 1k to start thats what I did.
...
Hi all,
My scope probe is not set right.
If you look at the schematic you see that the primaries are all tied together. So one 1 freq hits them all.
I will try 10k pull downs in case there is another problem somewhere else. Just to be sure.
I will try higher freqs > 10khz lower duty cycle.
I just turned it on to see. It's all good.
But now that my platform is in an executable state I will continue my diabolical plan to take over the world!
--giantkiller.
Was asked to update:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg37082.html#msg37082
:)
plan huh,,, GK you kill me,,LOL! :D
FET driver board status update:
I need to increase the noise filtering on the powelines of the clock board itself.
I have pin sockets for the potentiometers to hook into. I am not at ease with the lack of secured connection. I will remove them and solder the wires in.
I am tempted to put an external socket in for capacitor replacement on the 555s.
--giantkiller. Perfection must be attained in order to take over the world!
guess what guys
ha
i guess i got some of it back
how about this idea for how the tpu might just work!!
like ottos coil with a 4 " and a 6" coil
i dont know the exact freqs but but i think they have to total close to 7.8 but not too close so make 6" coil resonate at some where round 4 hz and then make the 4 " coil resonate at around 3 hz so i was thinking to tune or make them run around that speed then pluse each coil with a diffrent freq ok so i still think it has 3 layers the collector coil is in the center and it is tuned close to 7.8 hz and a 4" and a 6" coil on the bottom and the same on the top then u pluse a 4 " and a 6" 1 from the top and 1 from the bottom when you get the kick back it goes into the 2 other coils to power them so i think u pluse 2 freqs at the same time 1 to each of the coils when the 2 freqs come togather they will equal close to the freq of the center collector and make it ringgg once you have the collector ringging then i think that is the most part of the tpu but the high voltage kickback should power the other 2 coils and once you have got to the voltage that is safe for the coil you can then extract power from it i think pancake coils must be used as a base coil then 1 control winding on top of it and if you use a steel wire on the coils as a final wrap the power will ark to the collector in the center from the top to the bottom as you pluse it i think the tpu is quite similar to a homopolar generator the eddy current thing the opsing magnetic feilds the 90 deg cuppling from the mag feild to the copper so similar but we dont have to turn it cuz the electricty is turning
so i hope this helps i took some pictures of my last coil it is for my homopolar generator but my tpu coil fits right inside of and humm i have been having some fun with this combo
ist
@gk
so in your last post it seams you say alum wire plate or collection contraption to to convert our re engery to usable power is that correct? so alum insted of steel have not tryed it yet but i must
ok now it is really comming back to me and i think it is because im working on the homopolar generator right now but here we go agin
so gk aluminum hummmm well what i know so far about alum is this when i mad a proof of concept tests for the hpg i used alum disc it made power around 3 volts dc and it GOT HOT WHY? well why does the tpu get hot ? and can not be cooled by a fan? when i took power it got hot same with the tpu so tesla built a special generator with iron copper and alum hooked up in a novel way right hummmm
ok with alum it makes its own power from a magnet like a superconductor material but it makes opsoeing it is like how a dynmo works and similar to induction heat furnice also in a microwave oven how the transmitter is made of copper 2 ring magnets and alum kind of like a cap and hv power is fired through the center of the ring magnets its is similar to the tpu but we use electro mags
ok so a cap is made of alum and that is how we are changeing our re power to dc or ac power also if we bounce the electro mag feild around in a circle seperated by however many sections as we want to use unless the layers are inter twined
ill leave it there 4 now but i have more thoughts yet about it
Perturbing the magnetic field sets up a Kozyrev detector.
? A body placed for a certain time near a process [that generates torsion waves] and then brought to a torsion balance [would] produce the same effect on [the torsion balance] as [the original torsion-generating] process [produced by] itself. [The] memorizing [of] the action of processes is a feature of [all] different substances, except aluminum.
--giantkiller.
wow, the brain power displayed here is stagering. Who wants a Nobel prize? Just raise your hand. :)
My turn, here's how I think the TPU works:
We basicaly take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency, we basicaly tune into that, and take the energy which is readily available from the earths magnetic field, and produce electricity from it.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on July 06, 2007, 10:19:45 PM
wow, the brain power displayed here is stagering. Who wants a Nobel prize? Just raise your hand. :)
My turn, here's how I think the TPU works:
We basicaly take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency, we basicaly tune into that, and take the energy which is readily available from the earths magnetic field, and produce electricity from it.
EM
LOL, that cracks me up! Good one EM.
Darren
Quote from: z_p_e on July 06, 2007, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: EMdevices on July 06, 2007, 10:19:45 PM
wow, the brain power displayed here is stagering. Who wants a Nobel prize? Just raise your hand. :)
My turn, here's how I think the TPU works:
We basicaly take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inherent frequency, we basicaly tune into that, and take the energy which is readily available from the earths magnetic field, and produce electricity from it.
EM
LOL, that cracks me up! Good one EM.
Darren
Thats It EM!!!
LOL...
I too love seeing these newcomers stating all these vague 'solutions' to the TPU.
;D
now why dont you show what you all have and end the game?
show off a compleate working unit and the under lieing tech behind it and explain it all if u think you can then do so till then i will post my thoughts because who is wrong? as far as i know there is still no public working ring as in the video only half working rings!!
few more thoughts why is the coil to be square in shape i think that is verry important to the outpuut of the tpu
ok so i have been playing around with neo mags and i make a spark gap and a plusing circuit just with magnets no electronics at all not even a cap and i have rf flames large sparks also my magnets vibrate so verry fast inside my coil and the output peeks out my brand new meter so yes i think im onto somthing weather it is the tpu or not i will invent somthing out of what i have just found i am basicly applying power to the magnets then they vibrate and the really neat thing is is that when a load is hooked to it wont even start to vibrate but when the load is off or already vibrating the light will light up bright im using a 12v 30w light bulb when i get the mags vibrating fast enough the bulb lights up brighter and if i can get it vibrating at close to 7.8 hz then i think i will have so much more power output my new meter has a freq meter in it and the fastyers i had my neos vibrating at was around 5 hz
take my posts as you all will just sharing my work with u all
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on July 07, 2007, 12:17:29 AM
;D
now why dont you show what you all have and end the game?
show off a compleate working unit and the under lieing tech behind it and explain it all if u think you can then do so till then i will post my thoughts because who is wrong? as far as i know there is still no public working ring as in the video only half working rings!!
Entirely true innovation_station...
My comments were only directed to those who clearly haven't read ALL the SM threads from the begining and are merely repeating 'old' ideas and claiming them as new 'insights'.
;)
PS - I do hope to 'end the game' soon, you all will see.......
@Tao the simple things in life keep use confused , all else is distraction , mmmm
Hi IST,
I am willing to help you draw images, if you need it. Here is my first attempt, which is probably wrong.
Keep up the good work.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: innovation_station on July 07, 2007, 12:17:29 AM
ok so i have been playing around with neo mags and i make a spark gap and a plusing circuit just with magnets no electronics at all not even a cap and i have rf flames large sparks also my magnets vibrate so verry fast inside my coil and the output peeks out my brand new meter so yes i think im onto somthing weather it is the tpu or not i will invent somthing out of what i have just found i am basicly applying power to the magnets then they vibrate and the really neat thing is is that when a load is hooked to it wont even start to vibrate but when the load is off or already vibrating the light will light up bright im using a 12v 30w light bulb when i get the mags vibrating fast enough the bulb lights up brighter and if i can get it vibrating at close to 7.8 hz then i think i will have so much more power output my new meter has a freq meter in it and the fastyers i had my neos vibrating at was around 5 hz
take my posts as you all will just sharing my work with u all
ist
nice picture earl that is verry close to what i was doing yesterday but no hv just power from a 12v dc adaptor it makes a verry lould snaping noise when it is running i will post a pic today of my setup but my computer crashed a while ago im using my laptop so i have to install the proggies for my cam but i will get it done and post it it is verry cool even if it does nothing for the tpu
ist
ist,
Please don't take our posts the wrong way. EM's post was facetious only. In a way, it was poking a little fun at SM, not us guys. No harm done in lightening things up a little from time to time.
Darren ;)
Quote from: tao on July 07, 2007, 12:25:31 AM
PS - I do hope to 'end the game' soon, you all will see.......
@ all the new folks here and various other TPU threads (and the Brnbade thread especially)... watch for tao's post.
If this is another one of his famous "megaposts", it should be something to behold... :D
@btentzer.....watch and learn ;)
Hey Darren,
I have always been for full documentation. If you ever thought otherwise you were very mistaken! ;)
Cheers,
Bruce
hi IST
looking forward to more info.
@GK put a battery on it , that will filter out all the noise.
wer
Quote from: weri812 on July 07, 2007, 11:56:57 AM
hi IST
looking forward to more info.
@GK put a battery on it , that will filter out all the noise.
wer
@Wer, yes I am going to get a rechargable drill today and tap off the Nicad. Amp monsters! Comes with charger. I still apply patches to current ckt then do battery.
I saw Joe dirt do the drill battery before. That is the cheapest, fastest way.
Also,
On FET controller I have the potentiometers to pin headers to sockets. Way too flimsy. I am removing them as of now then soldering the potentiometer wires in place. I can't afford fallout. I want perfect. This is going to be my portable 'Dog and Pony show' unit. It has to migrate safely.
And now for some sidebar comedy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avOiTUcD4Y&mode=related&search=
And of course the pervervial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuIYNaKynI&mode=related&search=
And more electrical genius tendencies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLiasdJeoo&mode=related&search=
Tnx, giantkiller.
Check out the sharp edges...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_D29D9nyq0&mode=related&search=
Must not be theory...
Bearden mentions the TPU operation and other things...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6T54cpMt1E&NR=1
Anti gravity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twr-eucKhc8&NR=1
--giantkiller.
hello all
i have been playing aroung and guess what?
well if the tpu has magnets on the inside i think i have almost got it this is what it does and how it does it
i put neos inside the ring then i put neos on the outside of the ring and the magnets are attracting and well when i put the load on it it lights up bright and the sparks are bigger when the neos are inside and outside the ring also at a 45 deg to the coils works well too the really kool thing is when i take my outside magnet away fron the ring it stops vibrating and sparking
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on July 08, 2007, 09:04:14 PM
hello all
i have been playing aroung and guess what?
well if the tpu has magnets on the inside i think i have almost got it this is what it does and how it does it
i put neos inside the ring then i put neos on the outside of the ring and the magnets are attracting and well when i put the load on it it lights up bright and the sparks are bigger when the neos are inside and outside the ring also at a 45 deg to the coils works well too the really kool thing is when i take my outside magnet away fron the ring it stops vibrating and sparking
ist
Cool, dude!
Are the neos directly apart from each other as in the same place on the circumference?
Never got to that step. All hell broke loose so I shut it off. Are you touching those neos with your fingers inside the ring when it is on?
Just had to ask. 'cause if you answered 'Yes' you are about to get a whoopin' from some of the others here!
Get a wooden stick or pastic straw taped to them instead. Be safe, brother! The neos transport the energy at a different frequency.
--giantkiller.
Fet controller status update:
I have the 4 channel clock board up and tested. I am now substituting capacitors for frequency values.
The channels 1-4 will have increasing frequencies just like has been projected in the past. The fastest duty cycle so far is 3%.
Whoo-hoo!
The next step is to attach the FET board with a dummy load of 50 ohms and see what blows up. Wish we could avoid this but I don't want to appear like a prima donna if I don't blow at least one up. Oh yeah, I already did. LOL.
This OWON scope behaves really nice.
I will start off with using 7.5hz on channel1/cc1. And we will progress from there.
This has been 3 weeks start to now. I am beat.
I have seen all the new postings. I will maintain a course heading of 0 degrees west, undaunted. I will stay the course until an uprising of unbelievable results appear elsewhere. Not for fame or glory but to produce. How many times has one of you been winding and building only to have a change thrown in your way. Results prevail. Forgive me if I slow down at times. Even Atlas is bent over...
--giantkiller. Onward.
With greastest regards to the others mentioned we have gotten results at the far end of the realization spectrum.
I will portray in order...
Jason's or Otto's 50 turn coil produces kicks. It is a small device for test. No emminent danger but there are kicks.
The GK4 produces kicks of greater magnitude, RE of greater magnitude, high RF and up the scale of greater magnitude. Great emminent danger. Why? Greater production with sloppy control and more complex configuration.
Otto/Roberto ECD coil contains signal and RE control to harness the operation of power control. Emminent danger exists.
Bob.rennips BEMF application control circuit attempts to gain another level of greater control. It is a simulation from what I gather. But this step is timely.
The GK4 which is a copy of the Telsa's 382282. http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf times 3. Each layer/ring/collector is pulsed in parallel by each segment/control coil. It is using the BEMF to enhance the bucking effect.
Onto that add Otto's Mobius configuration. This proved the mobius connection was neccessary for this type of configuration.
Now I notice the 390721 patent is coming back around. What works always travels though time.
The sloppy iron windings actually create wings or sharp bends in the 30awg which point out to the feedback. This makes a hap-hazard RE connection because the edges do not align consistantly with the feedback. Plus the feedback has no corresponding edge for reception. The mag field is just perturbed randomly. So sad but great test.
Now the wing edge reappears in the ECD in a smartly defined single edge. I am impressed.
So what I see is a suggestion being given to the groups. The suggestion being actuated on and a proof being made by someone in the receiving group. That proof then appears somewhere in the future for the next step to create the next level of a proof suggestion platform. All with no great fanfare because we don't seem to catch on that quick until later on.
There are alot of electrical tests being made. I see more results from my tests when I approach the beast from a visual and wave or field generation aspect. Electrically I see alot of tests that can't prove or gain the attention of an advanced step. But that is not to discredit anyone or anything they have done. It just proves how Tesla's mysteries have held so strong until now.
But the predominant factors still stand the test of time. And that is smack the copper faster that is can respond/conduct, Kicks, BEMF, Radiant energy, Magnetic fields.
--giantkiller. TPUs: the breakfast of champions.
It is Tesla's birthday.
He would have been 152.
:)
I have another test concluded.
Setup artifacts are
I have 2 scopes, total 3 traces, an amp meter at the power supply, +12vdc applied, 3 frequency counters.
Mechanical artifacts are
I put a brushless 12vdc fan on the FET board at the opposite end from the power supply connections. I have no caps on it. This did enable me to do initial hookups and power ons without blowing fets. Correction from last post is I have not damaged any components as of yet.
Electrical results are
+12v in, 50pp out on the ECD Zero line using 1st freq 40khz, 2nd freq 20k, arbitrary as mentioned by Roberto in the ECD doc.
Current consumption is 20ma with 2 fets or 3 fets. Added 3rd freg of 5k and no change in results.
Operational artifacts are
the fan injects noise into the gate firing so I have false triggering. At the wave section in fig 12 of the ECD doc there is the RE start. The signal I have at that point shows a slight DC rise. The potential does not subside so I don't get a spike. The thermal characeristics are almost nil. The coil and the fets used to get hot. I now have achieved on average 10% and lower duty cycle for all 3 FETS. I have the MAX621 FET driver on the clock board with the required caps at VCC and ground with 6 inch leads to the seperate FET circuit board. I also have 10k resistors for pull down on the gates to facilitate faster off time. 1ks were suggested. I want to preliminarily reduce any extra avenues for current problems. I now work backwards to optimize the circuit. Not a big deal. This baby runs way cool!
Ongoing atempts are
I don't need the fan so I will remove and attach a seperate power supply to it. I will leave the remaining tests in a cooling environment.
I am now progressing to the smaller footprint FET boards for the application of internal insertion into the coil. There will 4 boards. 4? Deal with it. Each board will look similair to Roberto's trinary Fet setup. There be a FET, FET socket, an 18 pin low profile socket, Max621 ic, a nylon terminal block, I am looking for mini coax to connect signal to gates.
Foreseen achievement is
With the elimination of noise I can see the RE show forth.
RFC on any directions I am taking here.
The excessive potentiometer count is 4 channels of frequency and duty cycle adjustment.
The other circuit spread across the table is the dual 4 bit ring counter to tip41 motor drive that drove all the previous coils. It still rumbles. I got MOSFET and BJT modules now.
The current setup sure is shweet!
--giantkiller. Divide and copper...
Very nice scope...
Looking for your experament. :)
Great post! Great detail Gk! Good looking setup.
It is good to know that someone else's bench looks like ours did! ;D
Warm regards,
Bruce
Does anybody see how close the last PCV coil rendition is applicable to Tao's instructions. It is a beautiful mix of operational TPU instructions from the past.
All radiant energy related.
1: the pcv bobbin like windings go all the way around the collector.
2: the top and bottom of the pcv bobbins act like the ECD 6" wing edge.
3: the loose 45dregree on the Helmholtz's winding acts like the ECD 4" wing edge.
4: the Helmholtz's manipulate the middle collectors field if needed to try.
5: I even have a second middle collector that equates to many fine wires of the EZflow audio cable.
The GK4 is similar to the layered version that Tao shows. Even though he shows the layers as steps.
Not bragging. I am glad I built the number of coils I did. I have plenty of platforms to work from. Though I would like to wind another one. ;)
I have alot of tests to do when I get rid of the fet noise in my circuit.
--giantkiller.
hi gk
on your crown of coils
the virtical wires in the notches try puting at a 45 degreese in stead of up and down
like this \\\\\\\ not this lllllllll could that help in making the field rotate with max transfur of energy ?
just asking
wer
Well...I decided to join the three frequency club, but, as Murphy would have
it, my power supplies are toast... ha,hahaha,ha :'(
So I finished building 1 of the 4 small footprint fet boards with matching Max621 fet driver. I will divide that board in half.
The top board is the old fet mount in the picture.
While the signal is really clean and sharp, I now have a heat problem at 100ma for only the one fet installed to the coil. This is fun? I thought I got rid of the heat in the previous board?
I think my intelligence is but a transport mechanism for aggravation.
Why doesn't this level of effort qualify as suicidal?
So this step will facilitate the fet placement inside the coil. I has occurred to me that when the ramp-up to the fully operational point is achieved, a quiesence level is attained due to the magnetic field operating at a certain speed based on the frequency of the resonance. This creates a dampening effect on any ringing or extraneous oscillations in the solid state devices. Like saturation of an iron core transformer. Though we are using the external magnetic level instead of eddy current resistive level. Once again the coil does the work virtually... ;)
The ramp-up is but the transistion from a noisy to a smooth operation. Just like putting the microphone closer to the speaker.
@Joe Dirt,
Come on, you know you can't leave. The enjoyment is just beginning. Huh? When did it start? Only the builders can claim fame here. We got scars.
--giantkiller. I will conquer at all costs. Including myself... Cooked, fried, blown up, its all the same. Damn coils!
p.s. In the words of John Lennon: 'Life is what happens when we are planning other things'. But in the words of the Universal Geek Master: 'No life! I'm obsessed with technology! Now leave me alone I have stuff to create!'. No wonder God is a full time job. He must be a geek too.
Hello G.K.
Man I am strapped for cash and out of time, this is a noble effort, burden is
heavy but I am out of the game... so to the treadmill for me, hoping the
chains rest lightly :-\
I,ll check in every so often but R&D has come to a halt for me and doesn,t look
like I,ll be able to pick it back up for a while...
Good Journey to all
Dirt
@ joe
hate to see you go but do understand
i have about 50 groups that i read and it takes all me spare time
will pm you later
wer
Hi gang
Reading some of the notes from way back when they went from tubes to IC they used a specially rated board and the IC?s were raised this was to reduces the effect of noise from
The ring itself.
Sorry for jumping in it seemed like it would help
Keep it up looks good and its been great reading along
Razza
Quote from: nickc44 on July 14, 2007, 06:50:28 AM
Hi gang
Reading some of the notes from way back when they went from tubes to IC they used a specially rated board and the IC?s were raised this was to reduces the effect of noise from
The ring itself.
Sorry for jumping in it seemed like it would help
Keep it up looks good and its been great reading along
Razza
Timely and positive. Thanks. :)
--giantkiller.
I finally figured out the heat problem on this first little board. Now it runs on 8ma instead of 110ma. By getting the drive signal close as possible to the fet alleviates minor noise triggering. The fet conducts and this increases the current draw. Only by 1ma though. But still, I am the perfectionist here. LOL.
I have to thank the pc hero diatribe that went on in the other thread. It was a great disruptor to my 'target aquisition' focus. I got lost in the forest. The heat problem was because I had soldered the gate signal to the incorrect pin on the Max612 fet driver. Oh the humility and shame of it all... At least my dogs don't scold me. I haven't taught them electronics yet.
So with the board tested I can move on and build the last 3. 4? Fet boards. I have other coils to test. 3 or 4 segments, I don't think it matters. Just different kick timing. Oh yeah...
This one is for the pc heroes. Enjoy. :D
--giantkiller. Now I be cool runnin's.
Gk,
Just a quick one.
Im not sure if it matters to your set up you but
the max 620 has a pretty poor switch slope.
Whilst I have not used them,i crossed that off my list a while ago because of that.
Im using tc 4427's in my fet amp.
Check it out.
Lindsay
The board config is an easy change over. Thanks. MIC4427s are on the way.
--giantkiller.
I thought this would be of interest when making production units of TPUs.
I purchased 16 of the MIC4427zn from Future electronics.
I get this page in the check out process.
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So if my unit flies me to anywhere on the planet I could be seen as a global security threat. :D Yeah! That's the ticket!
Of course I already knew this. ;D
--giantkiller. Qualified.
I saw the movie Transformers and I felt moved to complete some more steps.
The board, the triad, the optional quad, the center post, the center placement into the secured holding.
Completely Transformed.
Why soft plastic? If, at any time, this ECD gains overunity the rise in power will cause heat and melt itself. The physical distortion will cause the operation to drift away from the perfect set of parameters. Shutdown would be imminent by natural causes. ;)
But this does not excuse the operator from contact danger due to unsafe handling procedures. Excessive high radio frequencies are a far cry fom overunity results. :o
--giantkiller.
Good luck, GK! Try to post a video once you get everything set up!
More practical to use an earth battery for
residental & commercial oscillator instead
of a power supply?
Dump both the power supply and the oscillator,
instead use old style lead crystal radio frequency
tuner?
Mikey
Quote from: doctoreast on July 16, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
More practical to use an earth battery for
residental & commercial oscillator instead
of a power supply?
Dump both the power supply and the oscillator,
instead use old style lead crystal radio frequency
tuner?
Mikey
Yes. Dropping the PS is one of the next steps.
Thanks for the circuit type. I will keep this ongoing effort totally public. It speeds things along with nice input.
At Siemens, Schottky further developed his interests in electronic valves. Although he was only there from 1915 to 1919, he was able to produce a number of discoveries and inventions. He invented the screen-grid tube in 1915, and in 1919 he invented the tetrode, the first multigrid vacuum tube. A tetrode contains two grids--the basic one and a second grid called the screen. The screen prevents the tube from producing unwanted oscillations.
--giantkiller.
hello gk and all
like your latest ring gk
looks quite neat well i just got my frist scope today it is a 20mhz dual trace scope cost me 125cdn not too much now just have to learn how to use it and im still looking for TUBES!!!!! because i think is has been said soooo many times tubes are best to start with the cleanest and the fastest so if anyone can reccomend a tube frequency generator i will have to find 1 soon
sauron posted a link a wile back but i cant find it now so on goes the serch
ist
Hey IST,
Congratulation on the new scope. I am saving up for a new one myself. One like Jason and Gk have.
;D
Warm regards,
Bruce
Well now,
All the scope club kiddies are runnin' loose. Kinda reminds me of the old days when all the young lads in the hood got the GI joes, Matchbox autos, Transformers, Super balls, Mattel rifles with the clickable bullets, Mattel 'Girder and Panel' sets with monorail cars. Dang, I hear my mom callin' me for dinner. Whoa... That wasn't part of the dream.
@IS, you're gonna have fun! I built my first Heathkit in 1981. I still use it. Turned it into a 16 trace TTL scope. Woohoo! You will do great things!
@Bruce,
Specify English face plate. No Katakana! They thought I was in a hurry so that is what they sent. I have an overlay coming. So now I read Chinese ?@1?2/.
--giantkiller.
gk care to share more info on your heathkit?
as i know verry little about function generators but i assume it is a tube generator that you have used on or with the tpu what were your results? ahd why do you insesist on ss?will tubes not be the easyest to get something to work?
well right after i saw the bordar land sciences vid i was sure tubes were best and easyest to work with steven has said that and many others too
just windering what you think
is
Quote from: innovation_station on July 17, 2007, 09:53:05 AM
gk care to share more info on your heathkit?
as i know verry little about function generators but i assume it is a tube generator that you have used on or with the tpu what were your results? ahd why do you insesist on ss?will tubes not be the easyest to get something to work?
well right after i saw the bordar land sciences vid i was sure tubes were best and easyest to work with steven has said that and many others too
just windering what you think
is
Heathkit is an analog 10mhz single trace with 'Y' channel addition. The 16 trace feature I built as an addition to an 8 trace schematic I got from Byte magazine in 1980. It is comprised of a 555 timer to a 16 to 1 multiplexer which connects to the 'X' channel. I post it because now I have 18 traces to look at. Keep adding muxes and up your trace count. Its like having a cheap signature scope for ttl digital signals.
You could also incorporate analog muxes and opamp buffered interfaces for other signal types. http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/72684/MAXIM/DG506ACJ.html
You could also make a board per scope channel and get 32 channels without a redesign!
This board is sweet!
Soiled state:
I use solid state because I have seen no other results yet to deter me from that. I throw it together and turn it on. Cheap, fast and easy. I usually go from paper straight to solder.
Also as a safety warning:
The noise injected by the solid state can or could set the TPU into runaway should any of the new signal get on the center frequency.
Anybody else got the safety circuit built that I designed and posted? There have been others along the way also by other members that watch the voltage, thermal, or current. Or just add a tank circuit inline to block the center frequency.
--giantkiller.
Winter is coming so I thought I would stuff the nest for things to do during hibernation.
www.Futurlec.com is great. I am steering towards the pic18xxx series for speed. I will hook the 3-16 bit output timers to my fet driver board. For a speed up to 10mhz for $36.00USD. This equates to a 70pin function generator.
And download the free IDE assembler from here.
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002
--giantkiller.
@Giantkiller
http://www.futurelec.com/ is nothing but commercials/links?
- I can't find any PIC chips there anyhow.
But on a different note I'd like to recommend that you take a look at Atmel's ATMega series before you commit. http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/param_table.asp?family_id=607&OrderBy=part_no&Direction=ASC
I think they're nice to work with. A nice compiler can be found at http://www.hpinfotech.ro/ (Supports code to 2 kb as a trial version - includes some nice libraries)
I found a cheap JTAG interface/programmer, which also is integrated in AVR Studio (IDE), at miklobit:
http://www.miklobit.com/JTAG_TWICE.530+B6Jkw9Mw__.0.html
Cost is ?46,47 incl. shipping
Once you've gone JTAG you'll never return ;D
Btw - I've found that Microchip's MPLAB ICD2 is pretty unstable, but I could have been unlucky ???
Happy hunting :D
@TheDane,
http://www.futurlec.com !!!! No E on future. Sorry. Damn squatters!
The green side bar on the left has the product links.
--giantkiller.
@Mannix,
The circuit is a stripped down stun gun oscillator. ;)
--giantkiller.
Every step of Tesla's power production methods produced more and more RE each time.
Now in the stun gun we have a spark gap, inside and on the circuit board, and diodes sitting close by. The diodes are always sitting close by. Hmmm... You only ever see the external spark gap.
One does not need to drive the circuit with excessive high speed to produce RE. But you do need a spark gap with diodes close by. What? How about FETs? And with aluminum heat sinks the mag field is reflected back onto the coil.
The RE effects the coil at very high speed. That is where we get our speed. Stun guns only run at 6.66k but we get high speed RE.
Inductive winding is only a later capture part and not a generative part. The open TPU uses aluminum reels. The field from the bifilar winding is reflected immediately back to the secondary. Mag amp.
Theory? Wardenclyfe is a massive stun gun. The TPU's many windings perpendicular to the collector perform as a massive array of RE couplings.
You can play with theory all day or just strip a stun gun and be amazed. Better yet, cross couple 2 stung guns, fire 1 and watch them go around. Or cross couple 4 of them. That's right. Remember when SM hold the 2 leads and produces spark? Well what the hell do you think is doing that? Right. It's a stun gun.
Thank you for the aluminum, Dansway. And the fets in the middle, Roberto.
See what happens when you build? Remember all the hub bub over the 5k frequency? Hmmm.... Well here we are again.
So the spark gap generates RE that flies through space to a collective element. The rotating magnetic field swings past inductors to be picked up. The Bedini little girl motor executes magnetic shearing which also acts like a dynamic diode. So the one wire circuits are RE receivers.
So alot of these things appear in many forms all over the place.
--giantkiller. Another great step into the future. RFC. :o
GK,
The transformer would need to be round,other wise our field could not speed up..it just goes backward and fowards..like every single circuit that we design...... we have not learned to use our round transformers properly yet.This, I think may be the HUGE difference between round things and square things..Could it be that simple?
perhaps man has only just started using the potential of wheels.....errr I mean round things...
Lindsay
@Lindsy I posted this to Gk months ago ., just take a scotch tape roll the plastic pice- get the magnetic pice fron a shower door and cut it to fit in the recesded part of the round part fo the soctch tape roll , that would be south on the out side and north on the inside , put 8 winds of 16 guage on the primeter and wind the outside parelle in each half equal 22 turns , put the current to the radious and the pisitive to the oppisots ot the half pallrlell turns and add the freq bi lad in (-) see what you get mmmm and mesure the current .
opps double post
Motorcoach,
have you a picture of your setup or is it a thought version
GK,
a bias resistor between 1 and 20 k from power to base....not sure about those damping resistors.....
On a torroid please...perhaps a magnet strip who knows?..perhaps air?.have a good play.
get a few magnets and you can make a sort of magnetic fence.
This could be just a toy it does not matter it looks like the video..it plays like the video...no power ....yet but you cant have everything at kindergarden
lindsay
Manix this is it if it will post
In looking at this animation:
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/visualizations/magnetostatics/coilsaligned/coils_aligned_640.mpg
I can see the Helmholtz has a uniform field, but what if we placed a permanent magnet
to one side of it, would the expansion and contraction of the field act like a "whip"
to simulate a pulse on the middle collector (refer to the pic)? could this create
electron flow on a conductor?
I got the first fet driver mini board repaired. The fet driver is the max621. Max speed is 58khz.
The fet is 110 degree faren. no fan.
The ECD output pulses are 264v, the inputs are 12v.
The current draw is 10ma.
I charged a capacitor thru a 1n5819 schotky connected from the zero line to diode to
the positive side of 400uf cap to the phase line.
I disconnected the cap and put an led across the cap and it fired up briefly. I did leave a diode in place and it stayed lit.
Nice little test. But I had headaches for 3 days since I have been using the new fet driver on my ECD. I woke up last night at 3am with a real banger in the skull. I should know better by now but the shielding doesn't work as stated on another thread. Motorcoach stated he is 30 feet away. I will now work more distance into my lab work.
If while pearing at instrustments, nothing is seen. That doesn't mean nothing is happening. Madame Curie had this same problem. We are trying to kill giants with flyswatters.
Next I am building 3 more fet mini boards based on the tc4427. Looks like I can get this one to run up to 800khz. :o
I will test incrementally with each new board and frequency.
@Dirt,
Another nice graphic. I will familarize myself with Openfx while on the plane for vacation.
--giantkiller. Thats all for now.
So it looks like the TEM(our current power grid configuration) is a closed loop or circular path and the LMD(natural conductivity) is an open loop or linear path.
My next TPU configuration will be be jumpered to match the LMD as proven by JLN and Dollard. It matches the multi stage stungun.
Conventional laws of physics are crap. It is time to stay out of the box.
Tesla stated and Dollard restated that Tesla could achieve a tunnel between the transmitter and receiver. Could be warp travel, time travel or distance transporter. Dollard just threw it together and got results. Forget the normal crap and build the new crap.
The ECD control coils represent the Tesla magnetic transmitter. Primary and secondary volume matched. The ECD is an MT with the Transmitter and receiver inherent in the same unit. So the RE has a very short distance to travel. Like it matters!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&q=eric+dollard
@Ironhead,
Got it, Sir.
-giantkiller.
I took the time to answer wcernuska's noob questions.
Lo and behold, look what he contributed:
Quote
Giant, Thank you so much for answering my cry for help. I've asked Futurelec for assistance to see if any Microcontroller is available that can achieve a 10nS time increment from its PWM. IF ARM2148 can really use the PLL d4erived clock, its max value out is 160MHz, 6nS period. I really read the heck out of the spec's before I ased this time. It is not so clear the PLL output is available as PCLK the PWM uses.
Rob is using "A" controller to control 3 DDS's made with AD9834 or AD9833's. I was hoping that would not be needed. If this is the only way to store "Repeatable" settings, so be it. I will follow his lead.
I will also build a knob-box like Jason's, with corrected timing. That needs a DDS. Please advise me if you have found any alternate programmable Function Generator in the USA, since it is so painful ordering ELV shop, or its UK sibling conrad.com. Please describe your set-up to me. I have wasted much time. Thank you for your time.
Ward
He didn't waste any time, did he?
I am finishing up my 2 last channels off the fet driver. Tonight I light up the lab after Igor brings more 'ab' normal brains!
--giantkiller. We got to stick together on this. The present state of the world sucks.
So essentially since each galaxy or solar system spins at different velocities / different frequencies with different orbital mass / different volume. One can match the frequency with a virtual, dynamic mass and tunneling to the transmitter from the receiver would be the way to go.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on July 25, 2007, 06:22:19 PMMy next TPU configuration will be be jumpered to match the LMD as proven by JLN and Dollard...
Conventional laws of physics are crap. It is time to stay out of the box...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&q=eric+dollard
Yes - way to go! I'm also about to do some basic longitudinal wave tests to learn how to inteligently optimize transmission lines for longitudinal vs taransverse waves. I'm not convinced coils are the best configuration.
On controllers: The very best way to go would be a single board based on the AD9959 -- this is a 4 channel DDS. Analouge Devices made it in response to the very requirments we have -- th need for multiple synchronized channels in one package. Anyone have experience with it? ... anyone also interested in a board based on it?
cheers
Mark S.
Evaluation board is about $322 from Digikey.
http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Evaluation_Boards_Tools/57418637811849AD9959_pcb_0.pdf
USB port configuration.
(Have never worked with this, just passing the info.)
Spend some time in peace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jcji2gYJkI
Here is today's work. I have 3 TC4427 driver boards made. The old version of the max621 is also shown. It has been canabalized. The fet driver connected is the last one tested and intermittent. I fix later, now I cruise. Then I repair and make 4th tc4427 driver board. The builders all have 4 segment coils, no?
--giantkiller.
I made a necessary change to counteract the stray energy...
--giantkiller.
Hello All,
Just thought i would post a link to this thread here. It's to my latest article.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg41962.html#msg41962
God Bless,
Jason O
Stay with what has been proven by simple means.
Well call me wrong on this one, if possible.
If one looks at the LMD we see stages, phases and 1 oscillator. Now wrap that in a circle.
In the beginning I stated smack it fast and get out of the way fast. Thats all. The output far exceeds the technology. Technology that Tesla did not have.
I proved secondarily from Otto's design that phase cancellation did the high speed job. My testing proved that the coil can do all the work dynamically. The LMD and the stun gun stages all build up potential to the final output.
Could things have gotten that far off the beam? Tangentential metatronics.
So my wrap up is to connect it with diodes across caps to spark gaps, neon bulbs, or neon starters and be done. I will state this again for historical purposes. We are going to end up with stungun circuits reconfigured. Remember SM shorting the leads of the SM15/17? Clock it anyway you want. It is still a stun gun turned back on itself. What is the oscillator speed of a stun gun? 6khz. Close to SMs 5k. And my most famous quote? 'It's sloppy'. But now I am humbled because Dollard stated this in 1988. 'We didn't even try to tune it'.
Quote from Dollard: 'No one is building the apparatus as Telsa intended and everyone tries to explain it away with conventional laws of physics'.
We commit the same mistakes over and over again.
If somebody really wants a challenge then find a good explaination of the stun gun parts placement. Why 4 diodes and why close to the spark gap?
SM17 has a spark gap and big diode just inside the coil at the same radial position. And it spits out blue sparks / radiant discharge.
--giantkiller. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294
@ giantkiller , in the past I've done this expieriment on 2 rings of steel 3/8 dia 8 in round with multipole windings of 157 windings W/ No#33 mag wire useing .047 blue cell caps and blocking diodes. the freq's were set @167hz and it ramps up very fast and was unstable at this point and distroyed itself. I never figured out what went wrong and my dad needless to say was very pissed , so I had to stop expierimenting. be safe and careful and put in safty mesures like i didn't do , to shut it down. Mike :)
oops hit the button twice ;)
;D ;D ;D
hello all this is a must read for all who work on the tpu READ THIS BOOK
i beleave this to be how a tpu would work it is simple it is safe it is not hi voltage pluses from a stun gun but i think it is the tpu it is a magnetic amp read the whole book and then tell me im wrong!!!!!
the only thing that is diffrent is we are plusing it with 3 freqs insted of constant power. plused dc and constant ac on the collector hi current and high voltage output just read it!!
ist
here is the link http://triodetubes.com/data/books/mag_amp.pdf
well i have just been informed it was posted a year or 2 ago so humm it is still new to me i guess i missed it on my way throught this maze but i think it applys to the tpu in a few ways for sure sorry to repost old news but it was new to me
Thanks I.S.
I,ve been looking for that book for months :)
thanks again
Dirt
@IS,
Yep! That book is some powerful reading.
--giantkiller.
thanks IS
i will read it also
wer
So I see by this ECD scope shot the pulses, the sine wave on the pulses, and the positive sine wave as part of the whole wave itself.
The voltage isn't that high though. This is also driven CW for safety. Mother Earth is not included as of yet. :D
--giantkiller.
ah but gk if u amp that signal 3 times and each time sent it back through its self how big might it be?
its self being the tpu config or the mag amp config
i read some where that 3 times is about the limit you can amp an amped signal b4 it will get too dirty but i think that is where the speed will play a roll speed in my mind = freqs so take the tiny kicks and amp them is this right?
btw i seam to get big kicks or spikes at higher freqs with just 1 freq and no control wires perpendicular just a coil
am i donig somthing wrong?
lol
is
1 more question can the tpu operate like this?
ok bottom coil is tuned to say 3 hz and top is tuned to 6 hz and center tuned to 9hz will that work then you would pluse a harmonic of and a beat of 3 and 6 to the top coil and the oppsit polarty to the bottom? will that transmit through resonance?
it would be like a sandwich tansmitter trans mitting from top and from bottom to center
i only used 36 9 as an example it should be close to 7.8 the earth right!! but maybe the harmonics used should be 3 6 and 9
here i go im getting back into the tpu agin bigtime like i said i would not that i dont think that the stun gun is the way but it can be done so many ways so lets do it have you tried a fet as an amp to amp the kicks what might happin ?
Hi GK,
you are starting to see something...but still not on target:
1 - It's not clear the scope time base setting: if it's 10 microsec/div than the freq you observe is correct as in all my tests the freq is always about 50 KHz..please check/confirm. In fig 1 you can see the signal on Zero (upper) and on Phase (lower) (zero level is on screen center). The freq is about 50 KHz and the sine is poorly formed as this refer using only 1 coil 1 freq. The references that you can see on screen are correct! (I used +12V for Control Coil).
2 - The same for amplitude: the sine amplitude on Phase is generally about 15 - 60 V peak-to peak depending on your PS setting and sweet point reached. So it seems that your amplitude (mV ?) is not correct. Please check it. On fig 2 you cas see a 75% completed sine of more than 50V.
3 - The waveform must be all of the same amplitude not dumping as I see in your pic. In fig 2 you can see the amplitude is absolutely fixed (no decay).
Please tell me the test conditions you are referring: freqs, number of CCs, PS voltage/current, etc.
In order to see the sine you MUST use 50% duty-cycle for input freqs.
Ciao
Roberto
hello ronette and gk and all i have a verry nice picture iwill take when i get home tonight it is my square wave plused at a freq of 101.4khz it is sent into a tuned primary and secondary well what happins this is only 1 freq i get rinning on the top and bottop of my square pluses with a nice spike at the verry front edge of my ringgg now when i try to set it to your settings it is way too big to even see half of it on my scope now the really neat think is this when i run this on my scop fast and watch the wave i get irattic and irrugular spikes but the top peak and bottom peak of the rinning square wave sets up a petfect sine wave and huge plus the pluses seperate pasitives and negitives i will take a picture of the entire setup tonight there is no wires connecting the primary to the secondary all done through resonace they are 2 seprat coils of the same mass 2 wind primary of 11ga flat speeker wire and 12 winds lamp wire secondary 18 ga i will add to this when i get back
is
ok with this wave when we combine 3 of thease to gather slightly out of phase of each other that will make the sine wave at a higher freq and if the other waves that combine togather to form the nice sine wave if the other 1 or 2 freqs were harmonics of the first freq then it would act as almost an inifnitive ringg if the harmonics were 6 and the 9th we would be in the vhf range is that correct?
ok here is a vid of my tuned 2 coils transmitting through resonance a freq at 100khz and this is the wave look in the center it is a sine wave with resonance im plusing a square wave now this is diffrent from what i spoke of earlyer
here is a pic of my setup and this is the start of my new tpu coil
to get the wave i spoke of earlyer i must not run it all through resonance meaning i must hook up pos or neg to primary then pluse from inside and outside i will try this right now
sop i did just what i said and yes i am right in what i say with it hooked up this new way i have exacaly what i said as above at the top of this post plus i had to adjust my input range because it was just way off the scope im in the .1v range for my pluses wheras the last vid i posted was in the 10v range so it seams this way is much better
also in this vid you will see that there no kicks or spikes why ? well because above i was running the freq gen above 100khz sooo think about that remember the diffrence in the gap between the freqs so maybe we have to be just past our desired freqs by 7.3 or some off the wall diffrence that is where i had a big spike on front of rinning wave this agis same freq as last vid but hooked up a diffrent way
is
@IS,
Well the 2nd vid is impressive. Do that same experiment with one ring in the center or on top.
Isn't a plastic work bench a little dangerous? Or you trying to get more dangerous than me?
--giantkiller.
gk my friend im working with verry low voltage pluses that is all plastic is temp till i set up the table
will play agin tommorow
is
;) Cool.
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 01, 2007, 01:24:52 AM
What happens when you take one tuning fork, strike it, and place it next to other tuning forks that are harmonically tuned to it? They all vibrate as well. They vibrate because energy is being transferred through the harmonics. If this was not the case, then the smaller forks would not vibrate at all!
What happens when you take one tuning fork (I call it the primary one), strike it, and place it next to one of the same kind (which I call the secondary).
It will vibrate as well.
The sound/noise will increase a bit and then die down.
What happens when you take one tuning fork (the primary one), strike it, and place it next to let's say 6 of the same kind (secondaries).
They will vibrate as well.
The sound/noise will increase a bit and then die down.
Why do the secondaries, which you place next to the primary not feed back to said primary, so that said primary gets louder and in turn feeds the secondaries again so that they get louder as well?
Why does the sound not increase for ever and ever (until the tuning forks self-distruct)?
Because primary and secondaries are
not locked at zero degree phase shift.
As long as we allow phase shift between the signals comming from primaries and secondaries, all coils involved ?hh sorry, i meant tuning forks involved will actually dampen the signal of each other.
If we could manage the process, so that they were forced to operate in phase lock and force them to continue to operate at zero degree phase shift, we could achieve a positive feedback loop with the signal actually increasing.
I don't know how to do this, but I believe it is possible.
@Gustav22,
Bingo. Same thing as pointing a microphone at a speaker. Who would do that?!? The closer the microphone to the speaker the less phase shift. The direction of the sound from the speaker to the mike is an air coupled diode effect. And the amplifier produces the kick or ramp up. The power only goes one way.
I am configuring the GK4 to do this for the next test. There many ways to do this but only one direction to go. ;)
--giantkiller. Welcome aboard!
Quote from: innovation_station on August 01, 2007, 12:28:48 AM
gk my friend im working with verry low voltage pluses that is all plastic is temp till i set up the table
will play agin tommorow
is
Low voltage, Yep! I tried a test last night that proved very promising in the waveform arena but I ran at +12v and blew a FET. Tonight, I test diabolically with +6v. :o
Attached:
The diagram is a blank configuration of the GK4 with the next step added. The diodes connect the middle controls of each segment on the same collector in ccw circular fashion. ;)
--giantkiller.
hi gk
here is a vid i made the square wave at freq 101.5 khz with a spike on leading edge of peek pos and peek neg pluse
is
I did tests with the GK4 last night.
As usual this gem sings, click, whines, cries out for more energy.
+12v, 1 amp, 25khz - 400khz resonance window at 300khz.
@IS,
I can get those deprecating rings after my pulses also. This is normal.
I pump the BEMF into the next segment by interleaing a bridge diode configuration into the coil and viola the ring pulse becomes self sustaining. The harmonics are also present. With diodes I get 100v spikes, without diodes I get 400v spikes. That harmonic window shown is just the on time. The off time is flat.
I also put a bridge diode on segment 1, half in, half out. ;) I get 1vdc. It's all good so far.
I think Tesla is absolutely correct.
--giantkiller. I just call it as I see it.
Quote from: Gustav22 on August 01, 2007, 06:27:10 AM
What happens when you take one tuning fork (the primary one), strike it, and place it next to let's say 6 of the same kind (secondaries).
They will vibrate as well.
The sound/noise will increase a bit and then die down.
Why do the secondaries, which you place next to the primary not feed back to said primary, so that said primary gets louder and in turn feeds the secondaries again so that they get louder as well?
Why does the sound not increase for ever and ever (until the tuning forks self-distruct)?
Because primary and secondaries are not locked at zero degree phase shift.
As long as we allow phase shift between the signals comming from primaries and secondaries, all coils involved ?hh sorry, i meant tuning forks involved will actually dampen the signal of each other.
If we could manage the process, so that they were forced to operate in phase lock and force them to continue to operate at zero degree phase shift, we could achieve a positive feedback loop with the signal actually increasing.
I don't know how to do this, but I believe it is possible.
Hi Gustav
Well it seems to me that this might happen when you derive harmonics from one and the same source. If you create a 1st and 2nd harmonic from the same source signal they will be phase locked.
What I don't understand is WHY does the secondary tuningfork (coil) become louder? Is there any link where such is explained?
Regards
Robert
@Dutch,
That is the quirk that so excites me about all this. I have 2 different coil types and have fet and tranny drivers circuits. The platforms are in place that I can now switch things around to run these combinatorial tests. And at a moments notice when I get a flash. I did tests last night and this morning. I want to know. Not the standard stuff either.
So I ran a single collector with the 4 segments in series coupled by diodes. Again the ringing did not subside. It followed the 'on' pulse till shut off. I had not gotten that before. 1 frequency. Tonight I hook in another frequency at 90 degrees on the circumferal. Or 180. I just plug and play. The standards don't apply here until the answer is found. Then we will see what we have been looking at all along.
Thanks for that post. I could see the forest growing but not the tree I need to climb.
--giantkiller.
GK, that sure sounds like U2 to me :D
So this time I decided to match up the control coils connected with a wire jumpers, that is the bottom signal,
with the control coils connected by diodes, that is the pulse in the top signal.
No BEMF for one. Any takers? Could this be a progressive start into the next phase of the required signal generation?
--giantkiller.
GK,
I wonder if shotky.type ..high speed diodes..would be essential here..
Hey all
I don,t know if this has been posted before, so forgive me if it has. I have been
reading through this material about Ivor Catt and this parallel wire concept with
some exuberance, I,ll let the material speak for itself:
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/catanoi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Catt
http://www.ivorcatt.com/2604.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/cook.htm
Hope this helps
Dirt
http://www.ivorcatt.com/2813.htm
I came by myself to the same explanation then I found it already written.
Tinu
The dolphins in the ship's wake only adjust side to side. They don't move forward but travel in parallel with the pressure wave imposed by the hull of the ship which presents itself as resistance to the water. Or see the hull as high speed dynamic interferance. Faster than the water can escape the force. Atomic kinetics. ;)
These last 3 posts also support Bill Muller's magento kinetic demo on his laundry room floor. In http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php under bearing.ram
--giantkiller. Talk about one unit.
Quote from: Mannix on August 02, 2007, 11:11:25 PM
GK,
I wonder if shotky.type ..high speed diodes..would be essential here..
Just flew out the door and bought 16. All 3 collectors hooked in tonight. 1 - 3 frequencies. :o
I am getting ready to go on vacation 8/8 through 8/22. I hope OU things get out of hand up to that point! Frenetic(http://www.bartleby.com/61/99/F0319900.html) progress sure beats doldrumn complacency. :D
Next test was Shottkys in bridge coupling. Signal shows sine waves at 3 levels. Those frequencies can be changed. My concern was to get the High speed Diodes in place. Match this signal against channel 'D' in previous post just above.
The Diodes are in the middle collector. The top and bottom collectors could be biased as Helmholtzs. That will be later. I want to see if a combination of diodes is the primary factor.
Now I am going to put a total 3 collectors in parallel with diodes coupling each segment. Again 1 freq.
GK4 all dioded up!
Eagerly awaiting results, :)
and ready: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4255751774825732841
hello all have any of us found the right freqs yet?
the reason i ask is im playing with mixing freqs in a transformer backward 2 square waves and i have seen some verry intersting things tonight lets just it goes off freq and quits just b4 that huge and i mean huge waves
but it warms up it starts with a few kicks then grows huge and quits this is no fluke i have done this over 10 times but the kool thing is i can adjust the freqs so i get not as many kicks and it does not go off freq i can shoot a vid of it at a freq that it will start then go off in less than 30sec cuz that is all my cam will recoard just thought i would share also the setting on my scope are way low cuz it is way off the scope it is set at 2v /div
shooting vid
Imagine that! A countdown timer. And on me! OK. So I could go faster...
1st pic is all 3 collector layers in parallel but not electrically connected. The control coils signal.
2nd pic is the collector. Strictly 90 degree coupling.
3rd pic is the control coils output. The middle spike is usually of the predominant trigger height @ 120vpp.
+12v, 1.6 amps, 160farenheit.
Next test I will intertwine controllers to cause a 1 to 2 to 3 to 1 loop sequentially connecting all the controllers as 1 ring.
At this point I am focusing on connecting the Shottkys and controllers up in all the combinations using one 1 frequency that I could that was in the resonance window of an individual control coil.
Roberto is on vacation so I switched over to the GK4 from the ECD. 8) When the cats' away the mice will play. :D
--giantkiller. Now I lay me down to sleep...
here is the vid i just made it is cool stuff this is the first time i have seen anything like this
i will call this vid 2 freqs interacting with the earths magnetic feild
Quote from: innovation_station on August 04, 2007, 01:02:29 AM
here is the vid i just made it is cool stuff this is the first time i have seen anything like this
i will call this vid 2 freqs interacting with the earths magnetic feild
Now that is the kind of fun I am talking about. I spent hours with the GK4 and 2 or 3 freqs in Jan lighting up my scope with interactions like those. Way cool, IS!
OBTW, in my previous post the signal is larger in pic 3 from pic 1 after going thru 4 diodes and the ringing more pronounced. Say what? :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2MsDogV4g4&mode=related&search=
Do these people have a working TPU?
How come I don't feel like that when mine is on now? I used too!
Will I be able to travel like that?
Does she come with a working TPU?
Could be fun?
What will our children look like? Gumbys?
--giantkiller. Rent the movie 'Primer'. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808534492/video/2981355/20040929/102/2981355-700-wmv-s.7145830-133814,2981355-100-wmv-s.7145791-133814,2981355-56-wmv-s.7145769-133814,2981355-300-wmv-s.7145780-133814
Hmmm..... ???
That video makes me feel deprived (or is it depraved?).
I only saw a screwed up watch when I looked through my EMP coil.
Must not be looking through a coil. Probably software manipulated. A toroid would show pronounced effects at the center radiating outward ;)
Well, it seems that jason,s ecd test has made it into a music video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4572368046734674289&q=overunity&total=234&start=60&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7
The world really is watching 8)
dirt
The Age of Free Energy is moving very quickly . The Corps no longer lead , We the People do!
Keep on building ,Keep on dreaming ,Keep on sharing .. You and This new found communication system will make sure This New Age STANDS!
IronHead
Wow.
This added after Joe Dirt's next post.
Stan kubrick's '2001 space odyssey'. The transition from one dogma to another.
--giantkiller.
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nice pic joe a question for all call me dumb but in your pic joe it seams like the center is a focoul point and it is an out of phase current by 90 degrease is that where your feild effect transistors go? or in the tube units the regenerative coils? it seams that the current or output power will be strongest in the center should 1 be neg and 1 be pos just what i thought when i saw that pic thought i would ask
is
Hello I.S. the pic means nothing, just stay on target somebody get this thing up and
running soon enough. But i do like your theory :) Hell try it out, it might work...
BTW, here is a movie I think all should see if they haven,t already:
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800262174/details
Later
dirt
Edit: I.S. as a side note, I personally would try and build what you described myself, it
sounds interesting, why not, don,t know until one tries, but all of my electronics
are fried, even the ones that were in their packages, toast, it is frustrating to
no end and I don,t know why it happened, so I,m just an observer for the
moment.
Edit: I,m finished
hi joe and all
i should try it but i first must build a proper coil plus i have no fets i have just 1 tube and will hopefully be finding more tubes but i have a questioin wich has probaly been cleared up already but im not sure in the sm 17 in the center what way does it go does it transmit from the center out and collect around the big ring or does it transmit in from the big ring to the small coils in the center or can it go both ways at the same time?
or is it somthing all togather diffrent then that?
is
;D
the more and more i read the more i have to ask funny thing
hummm
tpu = saturatable reactor?
and a cascade ampiflyer ? (sum of all adds up to output) of 1 ?
it seam as tho we can use verry low current dc to control huge current ac this tells me that output of the tpu is bridge rectifed b4 output to light bulb this also tells me that all collectors are ac and all controls are dc so can we think of the tpu as an hi freq ac generator retificed to dc ?
i was also reading some where that the bemf can be harnessed and made to add to the emf with the use of 2 more diodes so we can basicly re dirrect the bemf and dump it in with the emf can that be done? or did i mis understand what i was reading i will look agin and try and find where i read that if that is the case then could the bemf run along with the oppsite ring dirrection as where it came from what i mean is this with the negitive pluse and spike of say the top ring can we seperate that and add it to the neg pluse and spike of the bottom ring and then do the same with the positive spike of the bottom ring and add it too the positive of the top ring or the opsite polaritys to cancel out each other likr neg from top to pos of bottom and the reverace with the others im talking of bemf here the reasion i say this is because of the 2 dirrections of rotation the bemf should be traveling the right dirrection to add to the opsoite ring does that make any sence? or are we trying to get rid of bemf all togather?
is
also i found in my junk a motor controler like what they talk of in the mag amp book to dimm lights ot slow motors down here is a pic of it is ti a mag amp or is more of a dimmer switch ?
i got this a year or so ago have not played with it but i thought when i got it that i might some time try to power it backwards and see if it would put out useable power from a lower voltage source agin i have not got to that yet so maybe i will take it apart and see how it works first i will post a pic of taken apart i want to look at how it is wound
hello all
gk im not trying to flood your thred with usless junk but im still a little lost
i was digging through some of my past coils i have many many of them might take a pic some time of them to show you all but i found in there a coil that brought back some past intrest so i will post a pic of it and now gk could you explain the what was ment by your quote those are the remifications that top this entire project here is a pic of the ring you said that about and what it did was switch dc to ac at dubble the voltage and the same amparage it has 2 steel welding wires wraped in it as 2 more collectors along with a bifullar pancake coil it only produces thease results when it was hooked up a special way
gk can you add any thoughts to this coil ?
william
@IS,
I see there is not only copper but steel running in parallel perpendicular in two separate paths. I suspect that the copper generated magnetic fields do not align on the matching Poynting axis' but that the steel runs generate a mag field from a dc biasing of perpendicular directions allowing the activity from one set of copper runs to couple to the other set of copper runs through the ferrous properties of the steel. 8) No?
Try firing the pancake directions inward and outward in relation to the center. :)
Pretty simple coil. That looks like the Marco's Helmholtz coils. I have copper in 45d windings. I could replace the copper with steel and do the same with mine. But vacation calls. Chesapeake bay area family reunion. Too way cool to not be involved. I will stay touch with OU via PDA.
I do wait for you to reply though.
--giantkiller.
gk this was one of the first coils i build a wile ago it came from turbos ring
but i thought i would post it agin and see if anyone has anything to say about it i will have to try and pluse it like you said gk
i think the steel is important and must be in the tpu this ring was 1 of 3 and it was intended to be the collector for output the other 2 rings have no steel in them only copper i have not hooked up to my scope yet but i plan on doing so
gk what would the effects be if you used gk4 with 2 steel rings and 1 center copper ring ?
what i mean is bottom ring steel wire 1 wire top the same center collector bifolor copper lamp wire
@ joe your done humm could mean a few things ;)
ok all been reading agin but this time what have been covered by us so far
and i have decided to build a new ring
im collecting materials today will start to build tonight
it will be the gk4 with 2 garden wire colectors and 1 copper collector i might build a few diffrent collectors (center ones)
ist
Ah, yes...
Looking south toward Annapolis along the docks from the family house on the Chesapeake bay. A little overcast but very nice. Gonna do some crabbing and boating soon.
--giantkiller.
hello all here is a pic of my materials for the gk4 coil than i am building the spool of wire i found is only 28 ga could not find 30ga i had a choise of 28 or 32 ga i picked 28 ga so i hope it will work i think it will but it will take more to burn out the coils if it should have a runaway
in my picture are top and bottom ring in the works collector 22 turns controls 200 turns and i mesured the wire b4 i started winding my collectors are 27' of 20 ga garden wire and my controls are 26' of 28ga soild 26' is what 200 turns worked out to
still building i will make the center collector 2day but i think i will stick to gk's orginal design and use all steel collectors for this coil this is a 4" coil i think the next one i will make will be the gk4 but a 6" model with a copper collector
btw i had a dream last night and it all clicked in my mind now if i could only remember that dream ;)
for those of you that think this is funny it is not i have dreamed many many times about this tpu but last night was the only time it really clicked
time to bring my dreams to reality!!! i beleave it will start with the gk4 and tubes!!
oh btw i was playing around agin with some crazy stuff and i saw some verry neat things i zaped a neo with my coil hooked up to my scope ;D ;D ;D
no freq gen just 12v dc and 1 ring from the gk4 and did i ever see spikes way way off my scope plus i have a rf flame like discharge to the magnet oh ya the siziling and cracking sounds were verry cool but the really cool thing was that the coil made the same sounds as my magnet being zaped agin just a magnet and 12volts to the coil i never checked if there was out put or not i think if i was to put 2 diodes and a cap on the out put i might have power out
ist's gk4 ver all wound up all 2400 control turns and 66 collector turns and feed back wound over all others here is the pic took along time but was fun
is
reviewing my ring humm i think on the next 1 i will make the steel coils top and bottom still round as in circle but square why?
well in past games i played, square makes a 4 way magnetic feild also it may work better with the 90 deg factor
because now we will have extra power put into the feed back coils picking up the magnetic waves from the back side of the ring where with round you will not have the same effect also on the inside center collector we will have a much better 90 deg effect top and bottom driving things smother in operation thease are only thoughts right now
but not for long
in the above im talking controls about the collector it will have a much more focoused inward magnetic feild
also why is square important? that question was asked by someone who knows but will not speak of it
hey gk
remember those moniter transformers hummmmm. are the cores by chance square? i kind of think they are ;)
well has anyone tryed square control coils?? i have a wile ago and remember a long time ago i "count my time in rings"
i built a verry simple coil my first kicker lol
i put 5 v dc in and on the kick back it fried my meter blew the 750 volt .8amp fuse plus all the usual stuff speekers crack and all the neat things i still have the coil i will take a pictue of and post it
it is cat 5 controls steel wire and a microwave transformer primary winding well if i use mag wire i have the same effects with out the use of steel but i think the collectors still have to be steel to set up the big magfeild but maybe not i will have to play with this coil agin and see what happins with 12v and a neo spark gap osc
lol i love it the fun continues!!!!!!!!!!
ist
darn i cant stop agin
ok remember when sm cuts the live ring apart he checks the coils with a meter why?
hummmm
somthing else for you to think about but i might just know why or have an idea why at least
because how it is wired with the feedback and the controls certian coils control cecrtian things and might they be offset by 90 deg feed back will pick up the the last controls output and use it to fire the next control so if that makes sence we should have 3 feedbacks ofset by 90 deg of the controls collecting the trailing current so 4 controls 4 feedbacks but i dont think that is all. posibally 1 more feedback over or under the the 3 or 4 others and should we be able to collect and use from it for out put to the light the bulb 1 reason i say this is because sm 4 and sm 6 are thicker than the coil i now have that says to me 1 more winde ontop of what i have but agin just a thought that poped into my crazy head
ist
edit my verry last thought for the night
sm says his devices are not free engery devices they are conversion devices why???
because............. ~~~~~~think on it~~~~~~
i will tell you all what i think 2morrow btw im a year older 2morrow
just another brain fart day lol!!!!
hey IS,
your my hero!!!! happy birthday!!!!
lol
sam
;D @sam lol!!
well like i said they are conversion dvices what do they do?
well they convert radient engery to magnetic engery to electric engery might that be 1 of the only ways to use radient engery? and during the conversion process we get more back than was used to start it because of the kick!!!!!
is
i hoked up my square coil last night with the neo spark gap and i got it to work much better than my last ring it discharge flame is much bigger sounds ae loulkder and when placed near the coil it vibrates making my osc work kicks i can now fill my screen on my scope easly and it will run for a peroid of time sparking on its own it apears that the wire must touch the magnet on the right angle for the big flame like discharge i will make a vid of the setup in action later on
i have a question if all coils were identical would we not have 2 diffrent freqs? 1 that the collectors rinng at and 1 that the controls ring and what will happin when both ring all the time? = the 3rd no? and the smaller the circle the higher the freq right so that implyes that the controld are verry high freq and the collectors are a much lower freq because of the 4 " or 6" ring
happy birthday !!!!! IS
wer
;D
here is my latest vid of my square coil and my neo osc in this vid you see that i have huge kicks and as many as i want you also see the rf flame discharge to my neos i think the big key here is not the neos but the nickle coating on them ;)
dont get me wrong the effect is much enhanced with the use of magnets in the spark gap just have a look at teslas quenched magnetic spark gap is is similar to to this osc not in looks but what it does
the vid
is
well it seams that my vid a too big for this site the 1200 kb is not enough stephen but oh well i will have to get winrar and zip it i spent a lot of time getting a better vid for everyone to see it
i have a pm i recived some time ago that i would like to share with you all this pm is dealing with conversion and transformation of engery now i asked the writter of this pm if it was ok to post as well he said it was so here it is
Hello William,
I have seen some of your technologies. IMHO If it truly isn't innovative than it isn't new technology. It seems most of your works that i have seen are innovative or a unique twist on existing technology.
Conservation of energy and all of it's criteria have to be met. The event has to also satisfy conservations criteria. The very form has to meet conservations criteria. Thermodynamics is conservations regulator. Disobey the laws of conservation and thermodynamics will punish you with with heat. Obey the laws of conservation of energy and you will be rewarded with a plithora of byproducts from a single event. starting with a fully conserved and closed system.
Unifying transformations of energy cyclic is the key here. take from one give to the other, the other takes from one and gives to the first one, closing the loop of transformations. You could accurately say "coming full circle". I more commonly refer to it as "toying with energy" with a transformation set of (elec to kinetic to elec) However there may be a multitude of combinations of transformation sets that may work. The loop doesn't have to have only 2 transformations it could involve 3 or more. mankind currently uses the kinetic energy for the work, stopping at the first transformation.
well what can i say he says alot in those few sentences
thease ae not my words do not think they are
is
@ weir thank you
well i have tryed for many hours to compress my vid to make it small enough to post it here but i can not do so so i guess 2morrow i will shoot another vid of the same thing but shortor in length so i can up load here
;D ;D
pictures of my coils so far
just because some people here think i am only talk and dreams!!!!!!!
william!!
i see things have been pretty quiet 'round these parts.
break's over boys!
The ECD = SM15/17
The TPU = sm4/6/gk4 all copper
--giantkiller.
i see things have been pretty quiet 'round these parts.
break's over boys!
The ECD = SM15/17
The TPU = sm4/6/gk4 all copper
--giantkiller.
Welcome back, GK!
How was the vacation? Did ya catch many fish?
Hmmm...Take one small lake, add leads from one working TPU, take boat and gather floating fish with a net... Ahhh...the good life! ;D
Welcome back,
Bruce
hello gk
welcome back
ah perhaps i can now finally catch up
is
yep nobody blew anything up! Well,, that were gonna talk about anyway ::). Heh heh. Welcome back Buddy!
I had me a brickside coil revelation. Thunk! The ECD, SM15, SM17 radiate RE across an air gap. The SM4, SM6, gk4 couples RE at 90 degrees via an array of micro-wing crossings.
I traced the wires and the parts count on the SM17 and it looks like it incorporates 2 stun guns with the large coil on the probes. That is my next experiment. I already did a 1 stun gun test with the large ez-flow loop and brought down the house. In looking at the SM15 cutaway it would stand that there is an upper & lower loop. Now what if some of those components in the photos were just obfuscations or the circuitry was 2 beefed up stun gun circuits. That would still have the blocking oscillator in it, and the large caps, large resistors in parallel, the feedback transformer winding.
Vacation was great! Showed the family them coils. I are family genius now! :D
I go back to Penna in 3 months. Gained a free roundtrip ticket for getting bumped today.
Checks in the mail (from 'The Secret').
--giantkiller.
some time ago i said about the flash system in a disposable camra is that not a blocking osc? it will work on low voltage but will it produce the required amount of power to make the ring operate ?
i have one here i will take apart and play around with you just never know ;)
is
well i got the cam apart and well it is much like your stun guns gk
in taking it apart i managed to zap myself bout 5 times it is not bad but you can feel it
so i was thinking of un hooking the flash and hooking up to the coil just to see what happins i kind of think it will do the same as a stun gun but on a much lower level
so i guess i will see verry soon ;)
gk might there be a simple way to beef up the output of the cam flash ?
maybe send it through another small transformer? b4 the coil this runs on 1.5 volts and i felt a good enough zap from it
well in playing with this little circuit i was wondering a few more things can i change the time it takes to charge the cap it takes too long to charge it
and when i hooked up my voltmeter to the cap when it is fully charged it says it is over 300vdc
i have no idea how manny miliamps when it is fully discharged it is around 48 -50 volts dc I should say that after it is fried that is what is left in the cap
so i will try to fire it into a control and see what the results are on my scope
ist
well
lets just say im glad i donot have a stun gun!!!!!!!
this is enough 4 me to start with ;)
;D ;D neos were fun at the start this is kool
i could not get it to charge the cap when it was put a coil drictly so what should i put in line with the circuit to allow me to charge the cap then discharge it at my will?
i know a spark gap that way the coil can remain hooked up to the circuit and charge the cap
now this is basic stuff but it is all new to me so i share with you all it is probly not the tpu but it sure is kool and well if this is the tpu then i could see supper lighting from the ring cuz i had a oopeee and shorted out the fully charged cap and holy @#$! for sparks so no tubes just yet 4 me lol still not ready more fear than anything else ;)
so i play this way 4 now
WOW!!!! i just can not beleave how much darn electricty comes from 1 aa battery i really encourage others to play with this too cuz wow!!!
In reference to:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg45628.html#msg45628
This is the bottom line. It relates to the wing shape explanation in Ronotte's pdf. Lifters point down and are powered by Tesla coils for RE generation. The SM17 has 2 wing edges facing each other. Look deep at the pictures. The fat little coils are 90 degree coupled. The ecds point to the center. If the collectors were facing directly into each other there would a greater power out.
Basically it points to a circular winding with a bent edge at one point of the wind circumference and not the ring circumference to achieve a sharp transmission edge. We are smacking the copper faster than it can conduct with a fast rise edge of a square wave.
You can see the sloppy wing edge on the internals of the GK4. I did put alum plates on top and bottom to prove the wing edge operation in the ecd. I achieved 'Dartlets' again.
So the choice is direct 90 degree coupling or air gap coupling. Pulse with square pulses, nothing fancy. Investigate the operation of lifters too before you start.
Google: 'exploding pop can' to see high speed emmissions against aluminium. If one were to pulse a conical shape coil with a aluminium shell in the middle, you would have a rail gun or high freq matter propulsion device. If one were to pulse plates immersed in water this way you could achieve explosions. If one were the produce RE at high power you would produce magnetokinetic lift. Shift the angle and achieve lateral propulsion. Make a lifter of two rings. Inside powered by a single coil, the outside pulsed in sections for lateral movement.
Please be careful.
--giantkiller. No bs.
Hi,
I was impressed with the Egyptian tuning forks picture which someone put up, so I thought I would add a little contribution in the same light, now maybe this is nothing but good old Hermes Trimagistus who supposedly taught the Egyptians all the their science left an emerald tablet, me thinks he is relating something to do with the Scalar Waves and Magnetic Fields?
Maybe Hermes was the Original Lord of the Rings...
(oh and I also recommend looking at Thomas Trowager's Pyramid Device on Peswiki, 3 pictures attached also.)
hello gk and all
in playing around today i got my neos out agin ;D
such fun i have with those little things well i just wish there was an easy to control them but it seams like is it a hard thing to do
i havent seen many play with neos and well it is just so much fun i think they can teach much here altho how much more must be taught is there a way to harness power from the neos ? easly? the ring i am playing with today is about in its simplest form and you all know how i like simple right
i realize most of my posts are not relivant to the tpu but then agin maybe they are i will not know fior sure until i finish it or get output from it
a picture of my setup as of today i threw some other parts in the mix to see what happins it is a mess but it is much fun
ist
you all think this will light a bulb? lol
Quote from: innovation_station on August 23, 2007, 06:28:13 PM
WOW!!!! i just can not beleave how much darn electricty comes from 1 aa battery i really encourage others to play with this too cuz wow!!!
Hi IS,
Great job with posting your experiments. I admire your excitement. I just wanted to clarify for any novice readers, that there is not more electricity from the battery, simply more voltage. The electrical power remains the same according to Ohms law. Volts x Amps = Power. That batteries power has not changed. By increasing the voltage, the amperage drops.
A 9 volt powered stun gun can produce 150,000 volts, up to 300,000 volts. The current is miniscule and the "power" never changes.
I just wanted to clarify this for any newbies, reading, and thinking incorrectly, of course.
A spark of electricity called "static" electricity is about 1000 volts, but no current whatsoever. It stings, but that's about all.
Cheers,
Bruce
All these steps add up. The GK4 is an accumulation of alot of great thinkers, experimenters, and brave posters. 8)
To much I owe alot of gratitude for. But it aint' finished yet.
--giantkiller. Back to the future.
So you want to know about Radiant energy?
Same as it ever was...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
http://pluto.space.swri.edu/image/glossary/cme.html
http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/halocmes.html
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/technovel_shock_041105.html
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/gallery/images/suncombo1.html
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/sun/cmes.html
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/corona.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona
http://solar-heliospheric.engin.umich.edu/hjenning/Corona.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap961108.html
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/CMEs.shtml
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/cme.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990923.html
http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/sftheory/cme.htm
http://cebunet.com/kirlian/photos.htm
http://solar.physics.montana.edu/press/ssu_index.html
And the proof is the ECD has wing edges and produces Radiant energy.
The Turbo coil has 2 wing edges on the vertical plane.
The Helmholtz's are in place and collect the RE.
The feedback conducts to the horizontal winding adding to the bobbins.
The attempt of placing the copper fence only shorted the RE out.
The placment of the aluminium plates caused the RE to squeeze out like a squashed Oreo cookie causing me to get stung off the edges.
The radiant energy exhibits properties similar to solar coronal mass ejections. NO! You don't say? It can't be twue.
Probably explains the sun icon in Turbos MT picture a while back.
Innovation_station suggested the Oreo cookie analogy. Thanks. :)
Hummmm
Hi,
Giantkiller that is a great breakthrough it explains most of the observed phenomenon and explains the fluid nature of the RE. I guess some of the other effects, the gyroscope effect etc are probably down to the scalar waves or whatever field is generated in the mobius that causes the RE ions to be created. Since people have stated that other metal objects within range also become charged that also screams IONs. Think of how much energy we are wasting with them escaping. No wonder a lighting strike can result if the unit goes into overdrive!
Since you have now identified that the RE output takes the form of ions in order to maximise the output we need to design a way to contain them in an enclosure around the TPU (if possible or at least limit their movement) and then design a separate collector ring above the mobius that will very efficiently capture the ions and convert them to usable power (if very efficent an enclosure will not be necessary). I assume that it will probably have to be outside the mobius because we do not want to kill of the field in the mobius which presumable is propagated through the ion flux more efficiently?
Anyone got any ideas for an ion collecting ring? a low voltage loop coil perhaps the same size as the bottom mobius ring or maybe you can collect them off the aluminum rings?
Presumably if we configure the ring correctly and convert the charge to usable current we could tap off it a small amount to power the control circuits.
It might also be possible to simplify the design if some of the guys with operational coils can find a good frequency which intereferes with itself in the mobius in a chaotic but out of equilibrium steady state which does not lead to a full conversion event. This would be possible if the two rings of the mobius were the same size and almost placed on top of each other. Perhaps with a frequency which is proportionate to the wave length and a single mobius ring (single loop) length in a manner such that when it goes around the second loop interacts with the top loop . If this works then you could extend the mobius coil to have multiple rings stacked on top of each other like a truck spring, and then have a collector coil around the outside of the same design. You might then have to have a frequency input coil (collector coil) on every other loop. Imagine the amount of RE ions such a configuration might generate.
This should make OU acheivable or very nearly so!
Maybe to avoid problems with terminology we should rename the collectors coils to something like frequency input coils and then call the new coil or ion capture device a collector coil.
Well just throwing the idea out there...
Big bonus also - it's a pretty efficient ionizer, good for people with asthma ::)
QuoteBrooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932 Nikola Tesla states:
I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan.
So, RE is not "ions", but it does set them free.
With all the TPU types that SM produced we have an obvious collection of dynamic properties and actions. These devices all cause high speed actions against static materials. Nothing new here. But the vibratory property shows a significant acceleration and deceleration of a field of energy that impacts the static material and dislodges that material from its resting place. Again, obvious. But in the operation, the dynamic fields all exhibit broadband emmisions simultaneously and all intraphased. The energy is captured by static material which presents interference and resistance therefore slowing down the emmited fields to match the neccesary dynamics of the conductors. Since the devices are made of copper, we are attaining only a portion of the generated energy spectrum here. There are still a huge amount of losses because in our indrustrial mindsets we believe and have to interface with copper because that is the predominate material we connect electrical items with.
The precession of stone, water, air, gunpowder, oil, copper is our usage legacy of idiocy. We will lay claim to lesser losses in the TPU when we migrate to the environment where the TPU actually resides instead of trying to downward interface a phenomially powerful device to our nethanderal ways.
So we practice keeping the TPU out of phase to prevent runaway? Pretty pathetic losses, eh?
--giantkiller. Another day on the wrong planet... ;)
GK,
I take your point, so in order to harness the ions released by the TPU you think we should use another material? Presumably a natural one, magnetite or something? :o When you say the environment the TPU is from what exactly do you mean, are you referring to the structure of space/aether where the RE comes from, or is that just a philosophical statement?
Still the fact that the RE releases ions is important and I think the energy collection part of the TPU mechanics needs to be reviewed in light of this, as the ions act like a fluid it is a different set of dynamics (fluid) we are dealing with. How do we collect them efficiently and turn them into usable energy so we don't lose them to the environment and end up charging all the metal objects. Containment may be required, ions should be containable as they are charged. I will do some research on the matter of collecting them. Anyone out there got experience in dealing with them?
Maybe if we achieve full containment or suck them up fast enough and use a strong material or one with less resistance we can let the TPU go to full conversion without calling down lightning from on high, then you can smile like me ::)
Once we have this sorted out we might get OU. We can then spend as long as we like optimising the front end, RE generation mobius and frequency input coils.
Acerzw
We can only use a small window of the total RE output because we are intersecting the emission with copper and that frequency is where copper absorbs. And we don't use the rest of the spectrum, yet. So my forward looking statement pertains to devices or operations that are in the ranges above where we are trying to apply the TPU now. See?
So I have the Turbo coil, the ECD, the GK4, a 3 or 4 channel tranny driver, a 3 or 4 channel Fet driver and Fet boards that fit in the center of the 3 coils, and of course, stun guns. This is a guarantee: the operations of all the aforementioned devices produce exceedly high amounts of energy in the higher spectrum ranges. These coils all collect the RE in a different fashion and couple it back through a different feedback configuration. That is where I am at. It has been a tiresome, hard path to this point for me like others. I believe I have the correct set of devices to begin playing with in a more advanced way. Maybe sloppy but workable. How could anybody at this point in time create a coil that doesn't produce RE?
The proof is that there has been no upgrades to these coils and only one new addtion, the Boyce configuration. Many ways to generate the radiant energy. Gentlemen, we are no closer because we were never that far away but understand better now. Generation is not the problem anymore. That is why all the pontificators and theorists are given the same mantra from above, 'Just build it'.
Again 90 coupling, fast on time and short pulse width. I have the coils / major players that do this. These coils all show a configuration of the wing edge effect. Beautiful.
Think about this: the ions are the matter in the pressurized magnetic waves. We are generating magnetic waves that do leave the copper at a certain speed. The power of those waves dissapate through distance. We then generate the next wave, and from a different angle in some cases, faster than the previous wave can escape. Extra pressure. Rogue wave. All covered before.
--giantkiller. Without our dreams, we are nothing.
Huh?
GK,
Right I am with you on that, you are saying that the collector needs to be a device that absorbs not only the ions but, all different energy frequencies that the compressed energy in the coil generates. This means that the collector device needs to be constructed of multiple materials with different absorption spectrums or several collectors for different frequency ranges are required. That makes a lot of sense.
So a far more advanced collector is required, which presumably means we need an analysis of the broad spectrum output of the mobius in order that we find the frequencies at which the peak energy emittance(s) occur in order that we can build a collector or set of collectors to harvest the energy. We then have to convert that energy to a common usable form and we will have the maximum possible energy output. :)
Maybe a set of specifically tuned (loop?) antennas connected to capacitors...
Acerzw
Look at the two open TPU units from the videos again.
The collector is the two top and bottom rings.
~Dan
Quote from: Dansway on August 28, 2007, 05:27:54 PM
Look at the two open TPU units from the videos again.
The collector is the two top and bottom rings.
~Dan
That is an idea I entertained about a year or so ago. Don't remember if I posted it here or not; may have been another forum.
Anyway, one possible flaw I see is that the rings do not seem to be "open-ended" any where.
How/where would power be taken off?
The other possible flaw is that SM handles the device with his bare hands, indicating that the rings are probably not "hot".
Darren
@Darren,
Look at the video of SM handling the open TPU.
SM gingerly touches the TPU to see if he is going to get shocked/fried or something.
The top an bottom ring is the collector.
The windings are only on the bottom ring for a reason.
~Dan
Dan!! Hiya bud!! Hell i thought they got ya! Good to see ya around bro! :D
Quote from: Dansway on August 28, 2007, 07:04:57 PM
@Darren,
Look at the video of SM handling the open TPU.
SM gingerly touches the TPU to see if he is going to get shocked/fried or something.
The top an bottom ring is the collector.
The windings are only on the bottom ring for a reason.
~Dan
Dan,
If you watch that video, you will see SM testing the device with his fingers after it has been powering the lamps for a couple minutes. He is checking for heat, nothing more. He even mentions "heat" right around the time he was checking it. Keep in mind that the audio and video are skewed a few seconds.
After he has confirmed the device was not too hot to handle, he picks it up and handles it while holding both rings at the same time.
So I believe from this, it's quite clear that the rings are not "hot" with voltage at all.
The only other possibility that I can think of is if the rings are quite heavily insulated.
Darren
RE quickly shorts. It can appear in many ways across the body. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. That was posted before by others, antenna and microwave engineers after my initial tests. Standard safety.
@Dan,
Hi, Your knowledge and suspicions of the aluminium are what indicated to me to put the rings on. Otherwise the coil showed no signs of life.
JDO300 mentioned the broad spectrum along with other documents I had read about lightning. Stands to reason the logic is appearing here now.
I had mentioned the conductive nature of materials when exposed to broad spectrum energy only to present a wider scope of thinking to others than just pondering to myself. These facets of differing materials hold truth. This could lead to enhancements down the line where the TPU operates in other places. This idea might be too far ahead of it's place. But I know not everybody is in the same place. It did get responses.
--giantkiller. Thanks.
Hot = live :o
hello all me agin
well in my post a few pages back does it light a bulb the answer is yes it has the power to light a blub i used a 120v blub ay 60w and discharged the cap to the bulb and it was lite up but will not stay lit ofcourse ok so what i see it it now must spinn and it must have more controls filling the cap faster than the light bulb can drain it and the bulb will stay lit i inputted 12 vdc @1amp to the coil it can fill the cap fairly fast bout 8 seconds or so i will be playing around more
gk the oreo cookie
does the alum work as a deflector dirrevting the re to the easy flow collector ? that is wraped between to 2 alum plates if so that tpu kind of works like a tube ? no?
ist
hey gk the turbo cookie alum ring lol!
has it ever glowed with plsma? or can you see any re sparks or bursts when it has been run? it looks so kool the re with the magnets any way
Quote from: innovation_station on August 29, 2007, 09:06:14 AM
hello all me agin
well in my post a few pages back does it light a bulb the answer is yes it has the power to light a blub i used a 120v blub ay 60w and discharged the cap to the bulb and it was lite up but will not stay lit ofcourse ok so what i see it it now must spinn and it must have more controls filling the cap faster than the light bulb can drain it and the bulb will stay lit i inputted 12 vdc @1amp to the coil it can fill the cap fairly fast bout 8 seconds or so i will be playing around more
gk the oreo cookie
does the alum work as a deflector dirrevting the re to the easy flow collector ? that is wraped between to 2 alum plates if so that tpu kind of works like a tube ? no?
ist
hey gk the turbo cookie alum ring lol!
has it ever glowed with plsma? or can you see any re sparks or bursts when it has been run? it looks so kool the re with the magnets any way
Yes to the alum deflecting. The signal did appear on the EZflow. That would be normal. I got shocked and did not want to do any more unforeseen damage. There was no visible energy. There are 2 things now that scare me. Women with guns and live coils. LOL. This morning I removed the EZflow and am going to hook it up to the Tri-Fet drivers to test for a rotating field. I will use the ECD pvc-based holder to suspend the Turbo coil with the tri-fets inside the coil like Turbo had showed originally. Plug -n- play time.
Both of my controllers have a fault that I need to engineer out. That is the signals are not coupled for synchronizing. Simple patch. But with discreet freqs I have different capabilities.
--giantkiller.
GK:
Think thats scarey? Just let the wife get ahold of the credit card and a store full of sale items. ^_^
One up on me. No shocks yet but a tingle or two.
thaelin
@all coil dudes
I said I would do some research on ion collectors and maybe I hit the jackpot? for you more electronically knowledgeable guys to judge :)
This device is definitely worth checking out as an ion collector. It's potential is kind of scary given the amount of ions the TPU can generate. An interesting excerpt from the article which drew my attention:
Therefore, another name for electron multipliers is avalanching ion detector. 12 stages of acceleration will usually give a gain in current of 10 million.
Maybe we don't need 12 stages!
and this:
The avalanche can be triggered by any charged particle hitting the starting electrode with sufficient energy to cause secondary emission. Hence the electron multiplier is often used as an ion detector. It could also be triggered by a photon causing vacuum photoemission of at least one electron. In a photomultiplier tube, a photo-emissive surface is followed by an electron multiplier with several sequential multiplying electrodes called dynodes. Because these electrodes are separate from each other, this might be called a "discrete-dynode" multiplier. A voltage divider chain of resistors is usually used to place each dynode at a potential 100-200v more positive than the previous one.
One of these things with two or four 100v stages (possibly powered from the phase and zero outputs) might be useful?
for complete details see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_multiplier
and for details on the Photomultiplier tube see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photomultiplier
The above page has a couple of links to excellent PDF's giving circuits etc:
Chapter 12 of 'Photomultiplier Tubes Basics and Applications' from Hamamatsu Photonics seems very relevant to me...
Eeek, maybe lightning strikes are not so bad after all!
Acerzw ::)
@hertiberlin
Can this thread please be made sticky...
Acerzw 8)
The photomultiplier caused my mind to unseize thereby effecting a causual think momentua.
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/482251
http://www.ultravioletcameras.com/products/
http://www.alienvision.org/ Alien Vision: Exploring the Electromagnetic Spectrum with Imaging Technology
I fired off a pricing request. Probably works better than my comic book x-ray glasses.
--giantkiller. Just curious.
Could probably rent a UV camera or a spectrometer.
GK,
I take it thats a positive thing then ???, were going all multi-spectrum then?... sorry to hear your mind was seized, aspirin usually works better than a photomultiplier for me though ;D
Acerzw
you all see this??
have a look space travel eh hummm
little input big output
is
http://amasci.com/freenrg/plasmafe.txt
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/Proceedings2001.htm
more good stuff
"cycloid movements"
Interesting. Thanks
I don't know how to start this and I am not poking at anybody personally, but:
yOU can detonate fluids, gasses, shake metal and you are still trying to interface the industrial age up to the virtual energy age where Radiant energy is. The cost is too high.
The circumferal devices that produce RE are inexpensive, small, very powerfull, well contained. The COP verses mass is unequivocally huge(no other technology or mass can touch this). All the physical proof is in the videos. The cost is extremely economical and they are definately scalable whether in size or stack. And no moving molecular parts. Atomic yes. Consider the last 2 statements repeated. The coil will put the industrial age to rest. We gotta stop blowin shit up. It is a tremendous loss all the way around.
Example: SM powers up the SM6 on a very expensive dining room table, no damage. The TV has no interferance. The dogs are not barking. The humans in the room are stil alive. Nothing burns up. The devices are handled in plain sight, while powered on! The FAA, FCC or the federales do not show up. No noxious gas clouds. Nobody blown off their feet.
There is definative proof that Otto, Roberto, I, Jason, and a few nameless have produced RE on their benches. We just collect it. It is just there for the taking. I will make the bold statement that those mentioned stand right beside Tesla himself. RE was Telsa's misunderstood event. The people at that time just didn't get it. Do you make this same mistake 120 years later?
Alien life forms look at gasoline like we look at rubbing 2 sticks together.
So if there is anybody new reading this take heed on the direction you take. There were alot of directions to take. I made RE my choice from the start and glad of it.
--giantkiller. Back to my RE setups now. I have 3 coils that produce RE. I could even say they work but not with your stuff. Why would I use a UFO to light a torch?
p.s. OK, I'm done puffin'.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 29, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
We gotta stop blowin shit up.
Example: SM powers up the SM6 on a very expensive dining room table, no damage. The TV has no interferance. The dogs are not barking. The humans in the room are stil alive. Nothing burns up. The devices are handled in plain sight, while powered on! The FAA, FCC or the federales do not show up. No noxious gas clouds. Nobody blown off their feet.
There is definative proof that Otto, Roberto, I, Jason, and a few nameless have produced RE on their benches. We just collect it. It is just there for the taking.
So if there is anybody new reading this take heed on the direction you take. There were alot of directions to take. I made RE my choice from the start and glad of it.
Stop Blowing $#!+ up. So true.
None of the rings mentioned or alluded to are wound and driven like SM's. Other than heat, SM's rings don't appear to have any issues.
When you close the loop, what protects it from running away? No ballast inductor or chokes? No capacitor in series - which Tesla found increased the effect and protected the generator. A fuse at least? Are you just poking a wire into the rhino's ass?
This is what the Rhino thinks of that:
EDIT: Removed Rhino video by request.
Well I hooked the Turbo coil up with one frequency with all the vertical sections in series and only used the feedback winding on the upper Helmholtz to the middle horizontal 30awg winding. The scope at the opposite of the horizontal winding and grounded. No connections to the Helmholtz's / collectors yet.
Driven at 12v, .25a with output of 350v paired spikes with follow on ringing. Coil and fet run at 100 degrees. Tinglies and skin faeires at six inches. Neos do not respond so no RF. Scope shots later and frequencies will be posted. Although not necessary. I am chasing RE and I know where find it and how to do it. This is the stage after the electronic stage.
I am very pleased with test. Next I will connect the bottom feedback in tandem or opposing and see what happens. No sparks means lower frequency from the higher RE we would expect.
Then I will segregrate the vertical segments and drive with 3 frequencies. This will impose the phase cancellation into the drive. The fun should get better.
I switched to the Turbo coil because I saw wonderful, exact control imbedded into it. The notches cause the wing to be broken up into sections thereby reducing the emmisions. The collectors are smaller than the ECD or GK4, less copper, lower RE generation. And overall visibilty of the design. Whew. One sweet exposure!
@ Marco, Very nice coil!
I will also produce the 'Singing TPU #3' video lesson this weekend. Some Italian engineers asked me to keep on producing them. The ones with the Ebow and guitar.
I am very pleased with this setup. :o 8) :D It is similar to the GK4 tests in January only safer. I think.
And would you believe there are only four of us with these coils. Marco, IS, Jason and I. Marco also posted the circuit for this drive.
--giantkiller. I was going to go to bed early too. ::)
gk i have a good collection of those coils that i made i also built a tool for a rutor table to notch the pvc cores i posted it a wile ago and i have many blanks to build more but you see the problem with all of my coils i have built so far it the mass to mass matching of the copper none of my coils are tuned like they should be as that is 1 of the problems im having after i get it tuned propor and wound proper then all the rest will fall into place and im sure of that and i dont think im alone in this spot so any help on a perfectly tuned unit would clear up many of my problems and others problems too
so i guess with this and all coils i have made this is where i stand at the moment but i will in time get past this and advance
is
Quote from: innovation_station on August 31, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
gk i have a good collection of those coils that i made i also built a tool for a rutor table to notch the pvc cores i posted it a wile ago and i have many blanks to build more but you see the problem with all of my coils i have built so far it the mass to mass matching of the copper none of my coils are tuned like they should be as that is 1 of the problems im having after i get it tuned propor and wound proper then all the rest will fall into place and im sure of that and i dont think im alone in this spot so any help on a perfectly tuned unit would clear up many of my problems and others problems too
so i guess with this and all coils i have made this is where i stand at the moment but i will in time get past this and advance
is
Finish the Turbo coil you have and leave the m2m for later. Progress would be better than unfinished perfection. You won't be sorry. Your test with the one layer GK4 showed me that power can be pulled off. My 3 layer coil actually became a multipoint discharge unit. Otto's wiring actually showed me to feed the single point discharge back into the coil. I am doing the same with the Turbo coil. It is much cleaner and defined as far as the simitry of the windings. I hook the other parts of the coil into the operation tonight. I am psyched about this big time.
--giantkiller.
gk i will walk this path as well i have always liked those coils but have not tested them at all yet built them yes but have not tested them until today i start now!!
i must wind some hemholtz coils but i have only 22ga solid or 18ga lamp wire so i guess i make both with what i have then go from there we will see
i start right now!
william
and i will share all no matter how dumb it seams at the time ;)
Quote from: innovation_station on August 31, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
gk i will walk this path as well i have always liked those coils but have not tested them at all yet built them yes but have not tested them until today i start now!!
i must wind some hemholtz coils but i have only 22ga solid or 18ga lamp wire so i guess i make both with what i have then go from there we will see
i start right now!
william
and i will share all no matter how dumb it seams at the time ;)
Go to Radio shack and get the 26 awg stranded, $5.00us. Use cable ties or velcroe straps. All materials are low heat except the copper for safety. I got the Turbo coil up only half way and produced simliar effects as the GK4 but safer. You have children walk in on you while testing and that is very bad. The coil must auto shutdown first should you drive it correctly and it attains runaway. Just in case. Accidents happen ya know? You might find something in your tests.
The only dumb thing is if the kids get hurt.
--giantkiller.
gk i owe to you a great deal too im a guy that owes a lot right now but i do pay up you all will see it much sooner than you think
you know i will do as i say if i am not beleaved just let me show you all in time and i will right now life is hard and has always been but chioses i have made will change this forever
and i will not hold out or sell out
that my friends is not at all my way
open soursce for life
ISTEAM!!
those are the decisions i have made and now i will walk the path
I added TPU nomenclature to the winding labels.
The whole TPU here is wired clockwise for these tests. I will flip it over next time.
I have one freq input of 115khz.
I have the output of each collector connected to its feedback.
Then each feedback output connected together to the middle collector.
I got the current draw down to 1/8 amp.
The waveform shown has a dissipating ring after each pulse.
This operation does ramp up to produce the tinglies when I am up close to the coil.
You can see the double kick at the start.
But wait, there's more,
The kicks can be felt at 6 inches away and I can feel the small high speed particles hitting my lower arm up to my elbow.
Tomorrow I put in another frequency. I need to phase it into the declining spikes of the first freq pulse.
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@GK
please comment: do you observe any noticeable temperature changes such as heating or cooling ?
Frequency of .8(point eight)hz, 50v per div,
previous test temperature was 100f at 1/4a,
this test temperature is 80f at 1/8a,
and temperature of 105f at 1/3a.
The yellow wave is the input pulse.
Field effects still happening.
The waveforms show promise. The dissipating wave / 'magnetic echo' is still there. And that, my friends, is the artifact we want. We will apply a push just before that point to send the field out farther in space. It also will reflect ringing. Just like pushing water in the bathtube or banging on a support girder of a building. The coil is a magnetic jackhammer. And that is what Marco posted about when he mentioned the www.Powerballs.com (http://www.powerballs.com). At the right frequency the user get jacked around. I bought one. Now I get jacked around.
The magnified input pulse shows noise on ground but is no effect on the ringing. The noise varies but the ringing is stable.
I took the pix with a camera. The scope only stores single waveforms.
When I posted the RE_grid pulse pic back on 2007-05-02, Mannix replied with 'Nice pic'. Now my reality matches with my dreams. Guess I know Kung-fu. ;)
--giantkiller. Let's crack the sky.
@Z_P_E,
The posts of about simulations got me thinking about the correct amount and type of documentation that would become the necessary parameters to create one, maybe. I still chart things I have only dreamt about and struggle to find the artifacts I know exist and how to apply the learned and new parameters against the current operation. Knowing electronics alone does not help.
@To all,
This is how I wired up the coil. My previous explanation sounded like babble.
The 90 degree coupling array between the control coil and the middle collector creates a multipoint discharge instead of a single point discharge like a Tesla coil. The array would pass a wider stream of energy at a lower compression rate. There is nothing to see.
My controller is FETs and all solid state. Tubes might produce a better magnetic echo? But that could be later. Marco did stick tubes in this coil.
--giantkiller. Now this was worth posting! RFC
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hello guys
this is a video i made of a single layer gk4 with a neo spark gap osc inside the ring input was 12vdc @ 1 amp and i hooked it up to my scope and there you can see the spikes on the leading edge of my pluse my scope is on its lowest setting and they are off the scope
william
GK,
Well you certainly have a ring of power! very nice... sky's the limit, no such limit... ions are the key.
Acerzw, researcher
Another day long headache...
The circuit also lends itself to the SM horseshoe TPU. I still cannot find it. It was in one of the video server libraries like youtube, yahoo, or google. It is like the SM17 only open ended and the ends tapered down.
Maybe it didn't work and SM was just trying something. Or maybe it did and Sm built the ring model to hide the design.
--giantkiller.
Well i have read a few posts, not all of them but i think the designs you guys have made maybe too complicated now:) Perhaps reflect on SM's original design assuming they did actually work. I think they did. Through watching his vids some snippets of information was leaked out. In the smallest earliest design the unit was said to:
made of simple bailing wire
produced 62 volts
it could be felt shaking at 7.3 cycles per second. Is this another clock or an artifact?
capable of 25 watts
increases heat with load
had no mass circuitry.
start with 1 magnet which started and stopped but slowly declined when magnet taken away. This appear the circuit almost ran but slowly declined and certainly did not stop abruptly when magnet removed.
The bigger unit
start with 2 magnets
6000 hz AC output looks like DC.
91 volts
Largest unit i think he said churned out about 780 volts and the centre of the coil look like feedback tap with 2 large caps with bleed resistors across them.
I conclude the larger the coil the more power and increase in running output voltage. It appears he had no control over the final output voltage and seems to be free running and churned out whatever it could produce. This happens with switch mode PSU when no PWM control employed but he "could" have implemented this although would have made the circuit far more complicated.
The 6000 hz output maybe a useful clock and perhaps all units ran this speed. I see some posts getting extreme pulses of pico durations and you may end creating a black hole and we all disappear into it LOL. Seriously you need to take extreme care! SM clock may not have been dead accurate either and 555 may have worked. As this is High frequency AC only resistive loads could be driven from this output. However, in one vid he used an old transformer invertor design to change this power to 110 volts 60 Hz. This is completely logical and proves the units are not DC outputs but rather 6k Hz AC nor is he converting the output to pure DC via a full bridge. In laymans terms he often refered to them as DC output. Once converted to near pure sine wave 60 Hz 110 he is then able to run a vacuum cleaner and electric drill.
Last point is the vids are recorded around 1997 so 10 years ago. He may have had this kicking around for at least 5 years prior so we are possible talking 1992 electronics. To my knowledge power MOS FETS were still a bit shaky in design at this time even though i worked with the original VN46 VMOS in the mid 80's and certainly not of the very high voltage handling and high speed switching types we see now days. Input capacitance was a big problem back then although now almost every switching application uses mosfets. I know a lot has been said in the posts about getting switching as fast as possible but todays fets will run to hundreds of megs/gigs very very easily on their own unintentionally and run as RF noise generators just leaving the gate floating or ringing. The point to this is SM may not have used anything more then a line output tranny for a TV set and if the circuits really did work they looked to me like self oscillating devices and not highly complex PC clocked or Xtal controlled devices. Thats why i think the designs on here have got too complicated. His coils looked rather simple too. Some shots show complete coils tapped at 90 degrees. No half moon or tripple layer stuff or anything too fancy.
Those that spent a lot of time (and money) may need to take a step back and think of simple ideas rather then precision clocks which i dont think are necessary. Assuming the answer is on our doorstep now i bet it transpires as something quite simple at the end of the day.
@bolt,
Points very well made.
Radiant energy can be gotten in 2 ways. By driving the copper hard or by the correct transmitter/receiver tuning to the Universe's forces. The first is easy and what I consider industrial. The second makes extensive use of antenna physics I call virtual dynamics. I don't move properties but the bigger force that I am looking at does that work.
In the brute force way many posters have contrived their own pathway into what they understand. Me included. But I don't stand my ground in what I know but listen and learn to progress towards a solution no matter what. I don't let my own understanding stand in the way. I have picked up only that which works and which I had a hand in along with others. Others have shown methods that work. Period. I can't talk about what I haven't done. I really don't know where I stand with the other hardpressed souls here. But in my own world I have things working that teach me and I feel are closer to what is the goal.
Also in the brute force way there is a large following to get the power then control it. That is the wrong and dangerous way. Using the Turbo coil is a smaller platform to make the necessary steps safely. I have been hurt twice and that fun is over. The correct answers have been posted for those willing to follow. I believe I have found them or they found me. My choices have led me to what works and not necessarily through all my own effort.
I am happy with what I have progressed to so far and most assuredly will overcome any impass or boundary when it arises.
I will take into account what you have posted and no doubt implement those things in the future that meet the need.
Welcome aboard and thanks for the post.
The most curious question I have is 'What do you call a passive object that is attracted to a force by that force and then echoes or produces output'. That is what I meant by virtual dynamics.
--giantkiller. It is not the complexity going in but the beauty coming out..
GK,
I don't want to distract you from your ongoing endeavors, had a weird dream last night (really!) it would be difficult to explain but I can say it included some very interesting organised aerial phenomenon.
Anyway, shortly after it occurred to me that it might be useful to observe if or what magnetic flux patterns the tpu generated, after all this energy might be collected and used more efficiently.
So this is a fairly crazy idea, but like the old magnet experiment why not place (or suspend) two panes of glass over the tpu with a uniform scattering of iron fillings sandwiched in between, sealed at the edges with duct tape, and observe the field distribution, might show some interesting effects? Might lead to clues about optimizing coli configuration?
Well just another one to throw out there...
Acerzw, researcher
p.s. the object you mentioned, I would call it a 'tuned' or 'natural' passive/active resonator depending on its origin and method of operation.
a good idea bud
but i think if you look on youtube you will find some vids of this done in a similar way using a magnetic liquid that clearly shows what kind of magnetic effect takes place inside of a sator winding it shows the spinnors no ?if i can find the link i will post
@innovation_station
I take your point, however I think the dynamics in GK's coil are more complex and because of this may give more worthwhile and exploitable results.
Acerzw, researcher
Gentlemen,
I can do both. The easiest and fastest way is baby oil or cooking oil and laser toner glued in a clear plastic box purchased from hobby store.
Jason also mentioned a class of water with salt dissolved in it to see the vibratory and rotational aspects of the fields. I then add black pepper to mimic the iron filings movement.
I will find iron filings also. If I can't buy enough of them I can go to a metal shop and get some cut. I have 10 pounds of iron pipe section from when I started this last year. The dollar store probably has those cheap magnet drawing games too. I will buy bunch and have multiple tools in different places of the field.
I have clamp on ampmeter also. But that is like using only your nose at the race track. Some much goes by.
I was involved in one of Moab's TPU tests and I suggested he put a glass of water on the middle. He reported that the surface showed ripples of fields moving.
--giantkiller. TPU plug -n- play. Oops, Microsoft might try and write decrepit drivers to incorporate it into windows. Then we would need updates everytime we turn it on.
Im sat here thinking about the SSG, there are answers in there too. Its proof RE is real otherwise these things wouldn't work and i seen plenty that run on their own. I remember reading somewhere the trick is to minimize conventional electron flow. In SSG as soon as the magnets produce the pulse the conventional input circuit is slammed shut and the resulting wave is captured in a circuit which defies normal electronics. In these simplest designs the SSG requires some help to get the thing going but that entails a huge waste of inertia, friction and mechanical movement yet RE can cover this in slightly more complex systems an still charge a battery. For TPU we dont have these losses. Even a crude design may only need a tiny help to get the thing running via a PP3 9 volt battery and this input can be covered later once the TPU starts making RE. Its interesting how SM still requires magnets to start the TPU. Need to try and replicate the effect of a magnet moving pass a coil and capture the resulting RE in the bifliar trap with zero electron flow.
Well i guess im going to have to find my old soldering iron very soon:) In the meantime read some more posts in this thread. .....heavy stuff indeed.
i agree on the iron fielings put in a glass wine bottle fill with cooking oil and fileings put inside the ring you can then see the magfeild in a 3d enviroment
ist
Of all the intricacies and areas of the TPU operation it is interesting to see where people latch onto. Earl has been on this part for months about using zero current.
--giantkiller.
In one of the vids SM demonstrates the larger 800 volt system. When he turns it on you hear him clearly say. "turning on the 1st frequency and now turning on the 2nd frequency and now the device is now running" which appears to be done using two separate switches. So there may not be a third frequency unless of course he just doesn't want us to know that but then why start the system flicking 2 switches.Why not 3 or 1. Again in that video he remarks the unit is producing DC but later lets slip its 5000 Hz. Another vid he said they are producing 6k Hz. Whatever i would bet 5 or 6khz is a good starting point but also the variation between vids remarking on the output Hz indicates this frequncy is NOT critical not as if its tuned into the earths clock or anything like that:) It doesn't appear to me this frequency is like 5.55675khz unless he is rounding this up and down to 5 or 6. From 2 frequency we know we can produce harmonics, constructive and destructive waves depending on phase etc and other frequencies from 2 clocks. What would produce the 7.5 Hz that can be felt? This is interesting maybe its the flip flop circuit seen in the RE hydrogen split which we have seen is a slow pulse 3 Hz modulated with HF running at about 16Khz. Maybe the 7.5 Hz could be the DIFFERENCE between two 5kz clocks. In the hydro split only 2 frequencies are used. The SSG can be described as 2 frequencies also. The wheel turning is one frequency and the magnets passing over the coils is the second frequency.
Does anyone have any really good close up photos of these devices? The more we can learn from then the better.
The multiple frequencies terminated on a common line in the GK4, the ECD, and Turbo coil show that incredible high frequencies can be generated due to phase cancellation from incredibly low frequencies.
Also, stun guns run at 6khz. Now that was something worth stumbling on. ;)
I am in the middle of testing 2 and 3 frequencies applied to my Turbo coil. When I ran 1 freq through all 3 serially connected segments I got great results. But by disconnecting the segments and putting in 2 more freqs I have change operating parameters of impedance and current draw. I am now up against the combination lock. So that is where I will be to make this next step. Got to keep from blowing up FETS.
--giantkiller.
Have you tried putting 90 volt neons across the fets to limit the voltage as used in the SSG? This may give you a little more protection.
But that would damp out the signal injection into the coil. I guess till I get the controls correct. The coil is wound very close to balanced mass in comparison with each segment. I drive 1 segment and I get 3x the current draw. Stands to reason. I got a bunch starter neons to spec out.
I haven't found the SSG yet.
--giantkiller.
No doubt this has been stated before but direct from "the horses mouth" SM states "But the important thing is to wrap thecontrol coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
When you eventually strike thecord look out!"
So it appears what i thought of today ma be correct. His big mama 800 volt TPU did use two frequencies activated by just two frequencies. There is a third but its derived as a harmonic of the 1st clock. It is NOT artifically created to produce frequency number 2. I feel quite sure there are only 2 clocks but the 3rd is derived as a harmonic. I see many circuits here using pulses and sqaure waves. If the designs calls for purity signal then these clocks must be pure sinewave. The kick may not be produced by an EMF type kick but as a constructive wave of 3 perfect sinewaves ie an almost musical note of great purity. Thats why SM said tubes work better. Further on he says
"Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
You can se them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.
each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
The control frequencies are important in order to make power from the collector.
I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior
knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to
control the reactions going on inside the collector."
Mmm PURE frequency?? sounds like sine wave to me not clock pulses driven off your TTL stuff.
........more thoughts.
i just started reading your post bolt and i had to say look at that.......
humm..... ALL THE WAY AROUND now why did i not catch that b4??
is
Hi Bolt,
I cannot agree more except for one thing, a kick. From ?the horses mouth":
??.But if you make enough of them FAST SENDOFF, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with??
Kames.
Hence, pumping the echoes with a slight push to 'send' them in sync outward.
--giantkiller. Cannon balls. Not down the wire but outward into space. Thump, thump, thump, thump... OMG!
I will skip the 3 segments setup and leave the control as 1 segment and drive in 3 freq just like the ECD.
Sm used tubes to experience the functionality of fidelty first. Then went to solid state for simplicity and scale.
But using 2 freqs will produce a 3rd in the phase cancellation that is very high speed. I wonder if he meant radiant energy as the 3rd? I have always wondered that. Especially if he purposefully addressed laymen.
--giantkiller.
Gotta work out the harmonic solution for the 3rd frequency. Then you only have 2 to find. Its all part of the jigsaw:) It still doesn't look like critical spot frequencies are required more of finding the LC type of sweet spots to the system so that each control coil fires ahead of then next one so the mag forces kinda of spins around the coil creating massive internal forces and gravitational effects. This is akin to SSG wheel spinning about 120,000 RPM:) SM calls this the turbine effect.
Anway i recon we will have this sorted by next Tuesday then we can look at anti gravitational devices and flux capacitors the week after. HAHA!
Giantkiller please point me to your latest posted design see if i can spot anything.
i haven't followed every post but SM has given very accurate description of the coils. He said he cant talk about the control circuit as its hushed under patent....no worries we understand.
This needs to be reproduced as faithfully as possible it must hold the key
1 There need to be three of them all the way around.
2 Start them up one at a time each.
3 First frequency then SECOND HARMONIC COMPONENT into the second, then the third.
Quote from: bolt on September 02, 2007, 05:33:27 PM
Gotta work out the harmonic solution for the 3rd frequency. Then you only have 2 to find. Its all part of the jigsaw:) It still doesn't look like critical spot frequencies are required more of finding the LC type of sweet spots to the system so that each control coil fires ahead of then next one so the mag forces kinda of spins around the coil creating massive internal forces and gravitational effects. This is akin to SSG wheel spinning about 120,000 RPM:) SM calls this the turbine effect.
Anway i recon we will have this sorted by next Tuesday then we can look at anti gravitational devices and flux capacitors the week after. HAHA!
Giantkiller please point me to your latest posted design see if i can spot anything.
Page 145 lotr. 24 bobbins of 200 turn 30awg in 3 segments. 20 turn 30awg middle collector. Top and bottom look like 10 turns. The 22awg loose feedback is wound to match up with the RE/ control wing edge 32 turns. There you have it.
Corrected bobbin count to 24. Thanks IS.
--giantkiller.
gk are you sure there is 32 bobbins? i have 3 segments of 8 equaling 24 bobbins hummmm
perhaps i made mine diffrent than your cores but i thought they were the same? well other than the wire
ist
SM's description of the collector.
"It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run
them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
(this looks like a few turns to perhaps a couple of dozen or so certainly not hundreds of turn in the collector. Something like multistrand copper bell wire)
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if
need be.
(he already said as i posted 2 with 3rd derived)
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal
collector coils.
(Perpindicular windings 20 swg? around the individual coils i think he means into segments. how many? i dunno I presume that each alternate control coil is fed to the fet gates via resistors to get precise trigger input levels. The source load is shunted ahead to the next sement to provide the loop gain. Like SSG i would fit neons between drain source during testing to save blowing up fets. The fets should not draw conventional current refer to SSG using gate diode to shunt conventional electron flow and allow RE to form)
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils
together.
(More control 20 swg? wire wound over all three coils top to bottom as we can see in his vids. Like SSG i believe the global overlay of control wires here are the feedback circuit and is forming a conventional transformer tapping off power once the system is running. This provides essential feedback power to control circuit but may not be required in the early build /testing stages if using other power input source to the controller. Again judging by his vids we can see this outer wiring quite clearly on several small models and maybe several hundred turns to wrap the donut. It may run end to end with no taps OR this maybe the true output coil to tap the power of the device. I have to think about this part but whatever getting the 3 coils and circuit running first doesn't appear to need this final overlay winding. )
Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete
control of the unit most of the time.
The more we can faithfully reproduce what SM says the better our odds at getting the thing working.
Well not only has this thread made sticky status today, Woohoo! But I was able to drive the Turbo TPU with 3 fets. I took a movie of it and posted on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/v/O0pjd5r8pok (http://www.youtube.com/v/O0pjd5r8pok)
The rogue waves are apparent and through the correct adjustment of the 3 frequencies I should be able to attain more freak waves from the controls.
I would like to the thank the Academy, my producer and my Mom. And ackolades to those that have seen me through this journey.
This thread has numbers that Google merchants could only get in their dreams. We must be doing something right, eh?
--giantkiller. Thanks.
Very interesting.
Keep us posted I think your TPU is creating soliton that are merging and crashing into each other. Then again I might be wrong but record more video (it says more than a thousand words)
Quote from: horse
...You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
I always wondered why he says
etc. here.
I think the
etc. stands for something he can not state clearly. I think the
etc. stands for a connection in M?bius fashion.
Perhaps some inside the box thinking going on here, so consider this:
3 Collectors and 3 frequencies = Cadillac model (Greatest output, highest order of control necessary).
2 Collectors, 2 frequencies (possibly even 2 sets of 3 frequencies) = Standard model (easier to control).
The picture I posted in the Master thread quite clearly shows 2 collectors were used in that particular unit.
Folks are assuming all units use 3 frequencies, and/or 3 collectors.
Folks are assuming if/when a third frequency is used, it is somehow created out of the other two.
Frequencies ARE critical, don't assume they aren't.
Folks are assuming PURE frequency means sine waves, why? Really think about it. "Purity signal" is putting words in the horse's mouth.
Folks assume tubes are recommended because they produce less distortion. That's total hogwash. An entire discussion all its own is require for this really, but two points to keep in mind here:
1) Tubes have lower gain than most SS devices, and that's why they require/use less feedback.
2) Tubes produce as much if not more wave form distortion than SS, but the TYPE of distortion may be what's at play here.
Folks ought to consider (seriously) that tubes provide a robust test rig for proof of concept because they are almost immune to various forms of outside influence and noise that would otherwise throw off the operation of SS components being operated outside the "ring".
Chau,
Darren
i don't know about that as SM quotes pure frequency and so why did he not quote accurate frequency or precision. He didn't. Pure frequency to me means sine waves. I'm an RF engineer and we go to great lengths making sure that from the oscillator through to the power output stage distortion is minimized. Basically its the sh$t in sh$t out scenario. A transformer coupling maintains purity and we can scope the AC after it has reached our homes as perfect sine 50 or 60 Hz and we know that with inverters the cheaper crude designs are known as Quasi Sine and pure sine is very expensive at high power. The output of quasi sine is usually push pull and there is a shaushed top an bottom to the sine with zero switch spike. In fact the initial clock is usually square and there are attempts to round it off to produce the quasi sine. Motors hate quasi they can overheat and make odd noises.
Audio purest go for class A audio amps with tubes because there the distortion is barely measurable. This cant be achieved with trannies but power MOS FETs come close second.
SM states the 2nd frequncy is a second harmonic of the first. A tuned tank will pick this out very clean. If we are to minimize harmonics then im not sure pulse square wave is the answer. In fact with a good RF transmitter you can scope the RF and its a clean sine wave with very few lobes and hardly any harmonics and thats where i think he mean pure.
Tubes are far more robust too for this experimental work although i have worked with them in the past and seen many errie blue glows and have destroyed a few running 500 watts RF transmitters. This is why SM states they are more forgiving and cleaner.
@bolt,
Tube amplifiers have level of harmonics between 0.1 ? 1%. Transistor amplifiers can go as low as 0.001%. Tubes do have higher distortion but there is one big difference. Tubes don?t produce very high order of harmonics. All harmonics are usually in a range not exceeding the 3rd or the 5th in case of a sine signal. All harmonics in tube amplifiers are very well bound in phase to the base signal. Transistors can create order higher than 11th. In transistor amplifiers, the high order (not level) of harmonics is caused mostly by a current going through a p-n barrier. Those harmonics are not bound in phase to the base signal, they are more or less random. That is what makes tube amplifiers sound better despite that the high order of harmonics in SS might well be outside the range of 20kHz.
In this case, the pure frequency could be understood as a well controlled spectrum of the signal without any random harmonics produced by the p-n barrier.
MOSFET are more or less free from this problem.
If you use a pure sine, how are going to generate kicks without introducing a kind of a non-linear element in the circuit? If you do introduce such a non-linear element, what is a difference in using pulses from the start? You can reproduce a pulse by using a lot of different frequencies with different phase, that is true. But you have only 2 or 3 frequency with pure sine, hardly enough to create a kick.
Kames.
Quote from: bolt on September 03, 2007, 12:07:52 PM
i don't know about that as SM quotes pure frequency and so why did he not quote accurate frequncy or precision. He didn't. Pure frequncy to me means sine waves. I'm an RF engineer and we go to great lengths making sure that from the oscillator through to the power output stage distortion is minimized. Basically its the sh$t in sh$t out scenario. A transformer coupling maintains purity and we can scope the AC after it has reached our homes as perfect sine 50 or 60 Hz and we know that with inverters the cheaper crude designs are known as Quasi Sine and pure sine is very expensive at high power. The output of quasi sine is usually push pull and there is a shaushed top an bottom to the sine with zero switch spike. In fact the initial clock is usually square and there are attempts to round it off to produce the quasi sine. Motors hate quasi they can overheat and make odd noises.
As I said, really think about it.
The term "frequency" does not imply any wave form type at all does it?
You are new here so you still have reading and understanding to do regarding SM and the TPU. SM does not spell things out. In fact many clues are carefully worded, both to not explicitly explain things, and to say as much as possible with the fewest of words. It takes some time to understand "Steven-speak" but it will come if you stay at it.
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Audio purest go for class A audio amps with tubes because there the distortion is barely measurable. This cant be achieved with trannies but power MOS FETs come close second.
This is a total misnomer and a myth. A class A amp can be designed with any device and achieve good THD specs. Tubes certainly do not shine in producing the least amount of THD, if anything, they produce more than SS. They simply do not have the gain to apply the necessary NF to reduce the THD to levels below 0.5% or so.
Where tubes shine is both in the spectrum of THD produced, and the fact that little NF is applied, thus reducing discordant IM distortion. Tubes sound more pleasant to the ear, not because of lower THD, but because of the "processing" they perform on the output.
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SM states the 2nd frequncy is a second harmonic of the first. A tuned tank will pick this out very clean. If we are to minimize harmonics then im not sure pulse square wave is the answer. In fact with a good RF transmitter you can scope the RF and its a clean sine wave with very few lobes and hardly any hamonics and thats where i think he mean pure.
Who said harmonics need to be reduced? If harmonic-related pulses are indeed part of the operating principle of the TPU, then we are not interested so much in mitigating the harmonics generated by them, as much as the timing, brevity, slope, and stability of them.
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Tubes are far more robust too for this experimental work although i have worked with them in the past and seen many errie blue glows and have destroyed a few running 500 watts RF transmitters. This is why SM states they are more forgiving and cleaner.
I don't think we'll have to worry about that happening in this application. I believe "forgiving" may be in relation to the kickback spikes and resonances that occur at the tube's output, not destroying the device.
Cheers,
Darren
GK,
I have two/three frequencies which might be of some use if you can generate them. They were posted in a link on the forum in another thread I think, can't remember. It seemed to be ignored at the time, maybe now is the time to dust it off. Anyway please find attached a copy of the web page in PDF format, this might be it?
Do not be put off by the mention of Tibetans etc in this document I have several very good source documents that give eyewitness accounts that verify that part of the phenomenon.
I am working on additional leads from a very unusual source, will post more soon if fruitful.
Acerzw, researcher - see you on the moon... ;)
There are other clues but i agree frequency can be any waveform. However the TPU is known to wind up slowly and decay slowly according to SM vids. When i get around to practical testing i shall be looking for LC tank type of oscillators where the control coil is centre tapped because i seen this ring and decay in RF. In other words the TPU is almost in resonance by its own control coils. I believe the kick does not need to come from switching the fets hard in fact i bet SM had a 9 volt PP3 battery tucked inside some designs are running very weak LC oscillators which slowly induce the forward circular magnetic motion around the collector coils. These gentle oscillators may not even require more than a few milli amps and they shall be sine waves because this is LC. As the system speeds up the speed of the mag wave passing around the collector coils produce the massive pulse wave NOT the control fets. Its a means to an end. I see it as parasitic oscillations being induced on the collector to emulate a mechanical wheel. The construction of 2 LC oscillators are providing the control to the system and its very easy to pick the second harmonic of the LC and feed it one segment ahead. The 3 frequencies are very weak in themselves but collectively they create a constructive wave pushing the mag wave around the collector coil. These spikes will happen when the right frequencies are hit and the collector begins to accelerate. The other control coils will use the pulse which has been collector produced NOT by the fets and feed that to the gate of the next segment for timing purposes only. As the system speeds up the trigger pulses provide phase control of the oscillators in other words phase locked loop. With the right combination the perpetual motion should be set up of course we dont know what that is yet. As SM has stated we must detune the Q of the system because when the PLL is bang on correct the circular RE racing around the collectors will cause a meltdown so the effectively of the control PLL is detuned to harness the power. The over winding of all three coils collect this energy as the output.
Of course this is my take on the TPU and till we can reproduce it then it just the passing of ideas.
I believe its very much akin to the SSG. When we look at any conventional electrical generator the action of coil and magnets passing each other produce a sine wave AC output not a square wave or pulse. Likewise with SSG i am assuming the voltage rises and declines as the magnet passes the coil except the collapsing field produces this peculiar RE kick which is collected AFTER and as not produced by the control fets themselves so we should not be attempting to produce this kick because it will come to us later as an artifact. They are only used for timing purpose and the diode prevents the real electron flow. With TPU i believe we are attempting to reproduce the SSG physical wheel and we should NOT be looking at producing the actual pulses. So the control to emulate an SSG wheel would be sine wave not square or pulses.
Hi Acerzw:
I posted this some time ago and was asked to remove it as it did not relate. It is refering to sound waves and not rf waves so I guess that is why. Sound mixes different than rf but both are still "waves".
thaelin
Quote from: acerzw on September 03, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
GK,
I have two/three frequencies which might be of some use if you can generate them. They were posted in a link on the forum in another thread I think, can't remember. It seemed to be ignored at the time, maybe now is the time to dust it off. Anyway please find attached a copy of the web page in PDF format, this might be it?
Do not be put off by the mention of Tibetans etc in this document I have several very good source documents that give eyewitness accounts that verify that part of the phenomenon.
I am working on additional leads from a very unusual source, will post more soon if fruitful.
Acerzw, researcher - see you on the moon... ;)
@thaelin,
I understand what they were saying but I do think that as the document says, the ratio of the frequencies are more important than the actual frequencies, and a conversion of some form could no doubt be computed if necessary. I do suspect that there are clues within it, but also note that the frequencies referenced within are in the range that a TPU can use. The harmonic mentioned is spookily close to the TPU's and also note that the frequencies are slightly off which is what is used in a TPU in order not to melt down in a full conversion event. I would not underestimate the importance of this document as it refers to a verified phenomenon, which I have been aware of for 18 years and have never seen published frequencies for. it was truly a great find by you, thank you very much for finding it. Hence I have attached it yet again for emphasis.
@acerzw, researcher
Bolt,
You present some good ideas there in your last post.
Keep pursuing it.
I once had a theory too that LC tanks were used in the device, as this is the only way I can think of creating an electrical analog of "inertia". However, these tanks would have been stimulated with pulses.
Cheers,
Darren
;D
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/5498
God Bless,
Jason O
acerzw that is amazing! The most striking frequncy is the 7.83 Hz which is very close the what SM stated could be felt in the TPU's. Well everyday we find what might be another bit of the jigsaw puzzle.
Bolt,
my "understanding" agrees with you as well thanks.
great link Jason!
@all
I would also recommend checking out this great post by z_p_e, maybe another clue to frequencies:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg47225.html#msg47225
acerzw, researcher
@Bolt,
I like it!. Your explanation would fit along the lines of a magnetic bellows instead of a magnetic jackhammer. Sines versus squares. ;)
The bellows technique fits with gently pushing water to send it over. Magnetics in our case. Hey, it works in the bathtub why not here.
We are all very close to see what comes out in the wash. :D
--giantkiller. Same laws, different place.
oh hum
I derive a 5.76KHz master clock pure sine, This is the frequency often spoken about by SM as either 5khz or 6Khz depending which vids you watch. This is coupled to three buffer amplifiers whose outputs are
taken to: 1. A divide by 8 which = 720Hz 2. A divide by 9 which = 640Hz 3. A divide by 12 which = 480Hz.
Move the 720Hz down just a whisker so that the heterodyne of the two highest frequencies becomes 7.83 Hz which is said to be the frequency of the earth and that which is felt in the TPU units. In practice i have a hunch the 720 is freshly generated so there is better control over producing the required 7.83 Hz and detune the system to prevent a mushroom cloud:)
When this frequency is dead on and in precise phase with the earth it must produce the require scalar wave. Be very careful!
Thats why i think we see the gyro/ gravitational effect on these devices also. The stability of a frequency is greatly improved by starting at a higher clock and dividing down. Visa versa increases errors with every multiplication.
Im pretty sure this information will prove extremely useful thanks again to acerzw.
The constructive wave built up within the collector i presume will add up again to 5.76Khz which is the AC component with strong DC Bias.
Can you actually get any useful energy out of these devices yet or is it all speculation right now? I have trouble following what you guys are doing. Is there a simple Joe Average version yet?
it will be on the shelf in Walmart in time for Xmas:)
8) you guys rock 8)
awsome
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Quote from: bolt on September 03, 2007, 08:00:04 PM
it will be on the shelf in Walmart in time for Xmas:)
I'll take 2, one for the house and one for the car. :D
You notice again in the vids every time we think of an idea i look back at SM's notes and vids and try to make sense of it. Up till now you'all been whacking these coils with 2 or 3 amp pulses and anything up to gigs of RF and wondering why you get mag shock waves up your arms and blinding headaches. But SM shows a different side to his TPU's. He and others often hold these things even go walkies with them so they are not producing nasty kicks? When held they gently vibrate an he only warns people about touching the output wires obviously! So why is this? The answer is i believe the frequencies induced into the system are very low audible mostly but we are tapping into basically magnetism not RF. I know its more than this but we are not dealing with gigs of RF here or should i say shouldn't be unless you whack it pulses.
When used in this manor they are replicating a mechanical SSG wheel and are safer to work on as everything is in the Hz to Khz range. There are still many questions but the bits of the jigsaw appear to be coming together. Please think about these lower frequencies. They are only control frequencies to excite the collector and its the "speed" of the collector which provides the RE. The bits to be worked out is what order the coils use what frequencies, how is the feedback arranged between the segments, what stability do we really need? I do feel sure that someone will see something remarkable very soon even if the control aspects take some time to iron out. Even if it runs for seconds its a big clue.
@bolt
A very important observation, something that has worried me for some time, this is definitely the right direction. I have always thought that the side effects of these TPU's were fairly dire when compared to SM's. Lower frequencies seems the logical answer.
Acerzw, researcher
Bolt,GK,.and all
it good to see some "inertia" here
I hope that this is useful...just me here ...No quotes
I'm not sure that the actual low frequencies are correct but the relationships and the harmonic reactions are almost exactly what have been described..now, how to get really clean sine with no odd harmonics from the source ? we could use linear mode mosfets or ........?
I aren't gunna say it!!!ha
this is a musical instrument in one way.
now with these harmonics in mind, read the carl doc again...it might have changed on you
GK sorry if this is straying a bit..I suggest that you inject 3 very clean sines, low level if you like ,120k - 500k and I wonder if you will have trouble to hold to some frequency combinations..like a lump...8 hz wide!
I believe the frequency source may be the tpu itself and the relationships between the coils creates the swirling field because of their spacial relationships and electrical phasing. each one is dependant on the other, that is why a magnet is so useful..that is also why blocking oscillators are so much fun to tinker with. it also explains why a magnet is unnecessary for power ...just very handy.
remember in one video he does an experiment of his own? he takes the magnet and runs it around the coil. those who have played with blocking oscillators will see the significance of this tuning method..also keep in mind lester hendershot who started out making a electrical compass.
How do we wire these 3 cannons to chase the others fuses?
we come back to the seike type oscillator...
I'm thinking 3 blocking oscillators on the same ring..with carefully placed trigger windings like a 3 cylinder radial engine with variable timimg but in the videos there are 2 rings and 4 sections!!!
NOW, I have a headache!...and the crux of the riddle as i see it.
good hunting all
Lindsay
A little progress.
The TPU is up on a rack to accomodate the center suspended fets.
In this test I am putting the 1 freq at 10k. I am bringing it down and watching the current. The other two freqs are @ 150k, arbitrary for now.
I got hellacious noise or some kind of feedback pulses coming around. The pattern has a symmetry to it. I will pursue it.
Runs .1 to .6 amps depending on the feedback. This could be good.
This is not a real concise test. I just got the suspension in place and found a bug in my timers somewhere. Got to check that.
Alot of previously mentioned design parameters are in this. I can do just about any flexible change to it I need. And always testing any mentionings of the operation that deem of value. And so far this model is what all the prior hoopla has been about.
I can do the 5k freq but not the sine wave test as of yet. Got to get a genny of some sort or throw in a circuit change. I can also switch to my transistor driver for that signal.
And this is the way it is. I get so far and the designs change with new ideas thrown in. It all takes time. And it hasn't stopped. Rocket science on a shoestring.
--giantkiller. No blown fets in this setup so far.
GK,
thats great, good to see...
acerzw, researcher
@ Mannix:
You wont say it but I will, TUBES!.
:D ;D :o ::)
In SM's chat doc he covers a whole chapter on his revelations of making audio amps of great purity. This is another clue I'm sure. Anyway i still think the 5.76KHz looks ok to me. But how do we divide this down? It kinda defeats the object but we might have to start square and sine it after but use a clock IC divider as its the only way i can think to make sure the phase is correct. Im sure there are other ways. If we drift at all even by a nats it wont work. Some control windings will become your hi fi speakers:) The mos fets do make good audio amps i seen one many years ago that used the speaker hanging direct of the source to + supply. The advantage is it becomes a very wide bandwidth amp DC to VHF amp driving the control coil as our load. As the sine ramps up it looks like a magnet is passing by as in a conventional gen or SSG and i think this is what we need to achieve and needs to replicate this as faithfully as possible without spikes or harmonics. In effect its a DC power op amp and should do at least a 1 watt per channel. I think SM controlled all this on one switch then switch 2 was the heterodyne offset osc to produce the 7.83 Hz. Where does this go i dunno via a mixer to the 720Hz control coil maybe but this osc MUST be detuned and brought into focus very slowly. SM described the use of IC's in his control circuit and again i speculate it required some smart stuff to ensure it doesn't actually drift perfectly in tune to prevent a melt down. There will have to be feedback from the collector also. As we send 720 to one segment that will produce a small kick around the loop which will be seen by the next control coil. We take this small signal down from the collector coil and use this signal and send it another frequency and wait for the response on the next control coil and so on. After some seconds the collector wheel is "spinning".
This is why he uses a magnet! We are replicating a mechnical magnet spinning around at 120,000 RPM However, when the circuit is first turned on the circuit is waiting for a control feedback pulse but there is none until we move a magnet manually ourselves to the control coil. This produces the first tiny kick of the day which is picked out by the next collector control coil which then fires out the first frequncy then the sequence has perpetual feedback.
........more thoughts laters
Hello,
why not multiplie it with 7??
Otto
bit more
"I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier.
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit.
Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV.
The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA..
The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!"
He is explaining that multiple signal can co exist on the loop. It just occurred to me that the 7.83 Hz heterodyne may coexist on all 3 frequencies and not just one. In practice this means using 2 master local oscillators with the second offset by 7.83 Hz.. Mmm maybe not as this difference error will be reduced by the divider. Well plenty of smart guys on here i let you figure this bit out but the division clock remains the same and all 3 frequencies are reproduced faithfully but mixed into the firing control coil. The result is the collector will always have this 7.83 Hz component to it. So its here we produce the scalar wave. So far the theory ties up with everything i seen.
Well the firing order and duration etc will have to be worked out on the bench.
Otto the ratio of the frequencies must be correct although we can change them. In addition its always better to start with a high master clock and divide down then errors are reduced on the division. The constructive wave components fired into the collector should add back up to the master clock at 5.76KHz. I feel this is correct because the units churn this out when measured by the inspectors. Of course there plenty of room for discussion but so many things make sense running these lower sine waves rather then whacking it with pulses even if these suggested frequencies are completely wrong.
@bolt
exactly right and the heat and other wasteful energy dissapation effects produced by the device must be reduced and therefore the amount of energy consumed, and after all we need to reduce the input power as much as possible.
acerzw, researcher
Quote from: bolt on September 03, 2007, 08:00:04 PM
it will be on the shelf in Walmart in time for Xmas:)
umm are you serious ?..( mind if i send you a PM ?.)
Hello,
it is well known that the higher the frequency is, the higher is the output. Tesla used a spark gap to have higher frequencies and to have a higher output.
For me its only a question of using a spark gap (I hate it) or
to handla the TPU as a "big" blocking oscillator. "Big" only in dimensions. 6" is big for a blocking oscillator or not??
Otto
otto we are not looking for high frequncy efficiency of transformer conversion. Your right though if this was a switch mode PSU and i feel that where so many went up the wrong path. SM says the TPU acts like a radio receiver. So we have local oscillators and other frequencies to tune the collector. The circuit is simulating running a magnet around at high speed so that we set up our own wave. This circular wave is a visualization only because we presume it to go round but theory says its longitudinal. There are then 2 components to the collector, one the inertia effect produced by the control circuits then produce a high frequency component. 2 the heterodyne offset produce the 7.5 Hz component that the high frequncy sits on top of this wave. The total package should then interact with the earths wave which is moving over us all the time. When balanced it produces the scalar wave which is similar to the CB radio VSWR meter. Voltage standing Wave ratio records the reflected power of an antenna which hits the new wave trying to enter the aerial returning back in the opposite direction. This happens when some of the power designed to go somewhere is reflected back. The scaler wave can take up space and produces energy and this is what i believe is being captured. The power of a standing wave is massive. Even in RF bad standing waves create voltages dozens of times larger then what was sent out blowing output transistors. In this case the scalar is magnetic and not electron flow. To the collector coil it looks like some one with a million magnets suddenly come to give a helping hand which create the electron flow after as an artifcat :)
Anyway enough theory for now need to build it in time for Xmas LOL
hello all i have said verry little here
@bolt you !!!
hummmmm
all you have said fits all the clues i have seen wow!!
i can not add a thing
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Quote from: acerzw on September 04, 2007, 07:26:46 AM
@bolt
exactly right and the heat and other wasteful energy dissapation effects produced by the device must be reduced and therefore the amount of energy consumed, and after all we need to reduce the input power as much as possible.
acerzw, researcher
points of interest worth recapping
some old some new, all well sourced
When the correct point is found,there will be no shadow of doubt as to extra energy...your problem will be preventing runaway/smoke up.
You are not trying to use low current but just enough to start the collection/feeding process.
Your ss circuits are not designed to handle the extra and will either blow up, shut down, or become unstable.
cop calculation does not apply to it in any way because the source comes from the environment.....out side the tpu ...
"they are not free energy devices"
The black coil that went for a walk was capable of over 12 amps at 120v for short periods but was unstable due to the run on effect when disconnecting the load ..a problem that was not ever fixed as far as i know. overloading the units would cause their destruction by atmospheric discharge.
as a load is applied the speed would increase almost instantly to meet the load..slowing it down was still a problem, thats in the advanced units ...not what you could hope to achieve at the first attempts.perhaps later. Heat generation was not a byproduct of load just an artifact of the device running.
The more heat generated the safer it is..the less chance of runaway so heat is good for now
I hope that this helps with the jigsaw a bit..if you get enough things right and see some inertia or movement "stop and be safe"
keep in mind the advanced "no battery" units here even if it was a small cap!
Having a small radio off station 20 feet away will be usefull to hear the run up
now get to work! L.O.L.
Mannix what is percieved to be the correct 3 coils configuration for the collector after all these posts? Where do the ends of these coils go to? The control and overlay windings are fairly straightforward so not important at this time. A pretty picture of schematic would be nice.
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Quote from: bolt on September 04, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
Mannix what is percieved to be the correct 3 coils configuration for the collector after all these posts? Where do the ends of these coils go to? The control and overlay windings are fairly straightforward so not important at this time. A pretty picture of schematic would be nice.
I think that the ends of the collectors are the power take off pulsed 5khz dc but used as a sync as well..
nothing drastic will happen until the right combination of pure frequencies.
I agree a picture ... perhaps one will become available..i would not count on it. it is a challenge ..but if enough are working with the right things in mind i am optimistic that we wont need one.
The point of difference now is that people are finally getting the importance of sine wave..and harmonic perfection...thank you for that.
somebody might want to suggest a starting point to work from, Em has done a lot with blocking oscillators.
Hi all:
Not sure the underline worked for sure but it is around the "full wave silicon circuit" part. I keep comming back to this part of the discussion over and over again. No one has mentioned this it seems. As I read back, no comment. Why would he run it through a full wave bridge first???. That is what the tube is supposed to do. The tube would then be redundant. I pulled out my old '59 ARRL and looked up the very circuit in a receiver and no FWB anywhere to be found. Still puts out the required plate voltage. But ..... Since some of you have the circuit in use, any way to check it? Comment from BEP here possible? Just has me perplexed as to why this would be put in a tube circuit.
thaelin
Quote from: bolt on September 04, 2007, 07:04:48 AM
bit more
"I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier.
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit.
Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV.
The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA..
The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!"
The control circuit on his smallest TPU was very small. I recon 4 IC and perhaps handful of transistors/fets not much at all. The TPU must have a battery although this could be tiny. A 12 volt battery that is used in car remote alarm fobs is perfect clipped to one end of the PCB. Wrap all this in black tape against the side of the coil and no one knows its there. The battery is only used to start the PLL local oscillators which wont draw more then about 50 / 80 mA. Remember no jack hammer power needed here only purity. Also note this device is sensitive to anything in the middle of the collector and what side up it runs. Although bench testing may work thrown together the final tweaks have to be done with everything in situ.
As soon as the TPU is running a few windings off the coil will collect ample power to drop through 2 diodes and a small cap to take over the control PSU. Thats the least of our problems though!
What i think we need now is suggestions for the frequency generation, ideas who knows of a nice IC to work with zero PPM error maybe PLL and post some circuits showing the generation of the 3 frequencies which appear to be uncanny close to design concept. 555's are out they are as sloppy as a pig. Someone needs to be tooled up ready and prepared to do this. Unfortunately i cant at the mo just don't have access to the test stuff i used to have in the past although i will do soon if others have lost interest.
In order to produce the heterodyne offset i think make 2 of the gens then test first with pure sine then overlay one for each frequncy with the offsets.
Then need 3 comparators which look at the feedback control coils.A diode hanging off these maybe enough almost like an RF sniffer because the pulse now is NOT audio its our first little kick and its very very small perhaps only a few uV. Low noise high gain comparators essential. We need to think of ways that when the pulse is seen in the next segment the comparators react very fast in turning off and on our frequencies. PIN diodes may work well here rather than controlling the IC that maybe too slow. These have to come up to full sine voltage in one wave with no preamble or i don't think it will work.
The problem is there is so much information on this thread about coil construction i really dont know how to collate it all. 99.9% is garbage though but there is 0.1% thats extremely useful.
here is a link i just found and it might have some intresting stuff in it
http://www.4timing.com/techcrystal.htm
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Here is a very serious question. I am sure this has been asked before. What will you do if you make this thing work? Suddenly after 2 years of sod all the tpu burst into life and runs 4 light bulbs full brightness with nothing more then a pp3 on the input. Its a very serious one because you know that it could change everything on this planet. Its a big as the internal combustion engine. Billions of people still have no power and millions more live off a car battery. On the flip side you want something for your efforts. I don't think patents would apply here either because there is nothing to copy from. Its like the Microsoft IBM scenario where they sat in a room with a blank bit of paper and made a PC even though it was known roughly how to make one it wasn't copied. (apparently) I don't know even how i would react everyone says "oh yea i will share it" but its more than even winning the lottery. Then there is the risk of MIB popping round. Who says they couldn't be sold or as SM did sell out to the highest bidder. For most inventors its by far the most comfortable route. MIB are happy, world industry not disturbed, and you get 100 MIO to live happy every after. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do but people are basically greedy and thats life.
Quote from: bolt on September 04, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
Here is a very serious question. I am sure this has been asked before. What will you do if you make this thing work?
well i would build a few and help out a few friends to save some money maybe hook it up to some battery banks to power there house or hey maybe some free heat just in time for christmas ;)
it is totaly unlimited what you could do ;)
the question is...... do we deserve it??
william
Quote from: bolt on September 04, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
Here is a very serious question. I am sure this has been asked before. What will you do if you make this thing work? Suddenly after 2 years of sod all the tpu burst into life and runs 4 light bulbs full brightness with nothing more then a pp3 on the input. Its a very serious one because you know that it could change everything on this planet. Its a big as the internal combustion engine. Billions of people still have no power and millions more live off a car battery. On the flip side you want something for your efforts. I don't think patents would apply here either because there is nothing to copy from. Its like the Microsoft IBM scenario where they sat in a room with a blank bit of paper and made a PC even though it was known roughly how to make one it wasn't copied. (apparently) I don't know even how i would react everyone says "oh yea i will share it" but its more than even winning the lottery. Then there is the risk of MIB popping round. Who says they couldn't be sold or as SM did sell out to the highest bidder. For most inventors its by far the most comfortable route. MIB are happy, world industry not disturbed, and you get 100 MIO to live happy every after. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do but people are basically greedy and thats life.
Bolt!
Thats the first unproductive post you have made.
Politics does not belong here...GK might disagree in which case I do apolagise.
read the first page of "master of magnetics"
Lindsay
Quote from: Mannix on September 04, 2007, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: bolt on September 04, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
Here is a very serious question. I am sure this has been asked before. What will you do if you make this thing work? Suddenly after 2 years of sod all the tpu burst into life and runs 4 light bulbs full brightness with nothing more then a pp3 on the input. Its a very serious one because you know that it could change everything on this planet. Its a big as the internal combustion engine. Billions of people still have no power and millions more live off a car battery. On the flip side you want something for your efforts. I don't think patents would apply here either because there is nothing to copy from. Its like the Microsoft IBM scenario where they sat in a room with a blank bit of paper and made a PC even though it was known roughly how to make one it wasn't copied. (apparently) I don't know even how i would react everyone says "oh yea i will share it" but its more than even winning the lottery. Then there is the risk of MIB popping round. Who says they couldn't be sold or as SM did sell out to the highest bidder. For most inventors its by far the most comfortable route. MIB are happy, world industry not disturbed, and you get 100 MIO to live happy every after. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do but people are basically greedy and thats life.
Bolt!
Thats the first unproductive post you have made.
Politics does not belong here...GK might disagree in which case I do apolagise.
read the first page of "master of magnetics"
Lindsay
It's all ok. Been down that payoff road. Didn't take it. It would have burned the investors. We got taken over by the big guys. So having said that I can agree with the both of you.
If it is not on everybodys mind it would get there. Nobody is immune to these kinds of thoughts. And the first time the neophyte engages in this game he looses. What a bitter feeling.
I would hope that all could avoid this temptation. But it is a maturing event none the less. And quite the quandry should you find yourself there.
--giantkiller. Burned, not turned.
Your are right its off topic for this thread so we move right along .... Well no one helping me out here with the precision audio synth we need to make this work. Still looking for nice designs for the 3 frequencies. Then also need some trusted simple mos fet PA output stage to drive the control coils. These as i said need to be DC to HF amps and the control coils will look like hi fi speakers:)
edit......sorry not worth repeating ....just another bottle rant ???
United States Patent 5434536 there are a few differences no?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=12332
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=12335
http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/cscie129/nu_lectures/lecture7/heterodyne/heterodyne.html (http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/cscie129/nu_lectures/lecture7/heterodyne/heterodyne.html)
"? the way was paved for a bright engineer to devise useful circuits to exploit the audion?s potential. That bright engineer was Edwin Howard Armstrong who invented the regenerative amplifier/detector
in 1912 at the tender age of 21.
"?In a 1914 paper titled 'Operating Features of the Audion,' Armstrong published the first correct explanation for how the triode worked, and provided experimental evidence to support his claims. ?He Armstrong went on to develop circuits that continue to dominate communications systems to this day. While a member of the U.S. Army Signal Corps during World War I, Armstrong became involved with the problem of detecting enemy planes from a distance, and pursued the idea of trying to home in on the signals naturally generated by their ignition systems (spark transmitters again). Unfortunately, little useful radiation was found below about 1MHz, and it was exceedingly difficult with the tubes available at that time to get much amplification above that frequency. ? so Armstrong had
his work cut out for him. He solved the problem by employing a principle originally used by Poulsen and later elucidated by Fessenden.
"?Armstrong decided to employ Fessenden?s heterodyne principle in a different way. Rather than using it to demodulate CW directly, he used the heterodyne method to convert an incoming high frequency RF signal into one at a lower frequency, where high gain and selectivity could be obtained with relative ease. This signal, known as the intermediate frequency (IF), was then demodulated after much filtering and amplification at the IF had been achieved. The receiver could easily possess enough sensitivity so that the limiting factor was actually atmospheric noise (which is quite large in the AM broadcast band). Furthermore, a single tuning control was made possible, since the IF amplifier works at a fixed frequency."
heterodyne: 1. To generate new frequencies by mixing two or more signals in a nonlinear device such as a vacuum tube, transistor, or diode mixer. (188) Note: A superheterodyne receiver converts any selected incoming frequency by heterodyne action to a common intermediate frequency where amplification and selectivity (filtering) are provided. 2. A frequency produced by mixing two or more signals in a nonlinear device. (188)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver)
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~jcgl/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part3/page1.html (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~jcgl/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part3/page1.html)
So we power the coils (opposing metal detectors) using 2 blocking oscillators with cross coupled feedback (the feedback for one connects to the read circuit for the other helmholtz) in a Superheterodyne configuration. This looks just like the 2 transistor free running flip-flop. ;)
The Turbo coil has 2 rings, the sm17 has 2 rings, the GK4 has 2 rings. The difference is the feedbacks / pickups / microphones are different.
The 3rd freq is generated. This is the power stroke. Nice work, gentlemen.
Gentlemen, Start your coils!
--giantkiller. It is a good day to fly.
At last my idea of the sine wave is beginning to take hold. Its ticks all the right boxes to make this work. SM already said this is very nearly a radio receiver tuned into the earths mag field. When you can produce a coil which looks like his vids, constructed to his description, starts and stops softly, uses 3 coils, 3 frequencies of PURITY then we are heading in the right direction.
You have to remember SM is not misleading us but he is describing his circuit without damaging the patent protection. If i described to you a 4 stroke 4 cyclinder petrol engine and that you have never seen one before but i said something like "There are 4 tubes with a device on top to provide ignition to the mixture, there are valves and controls to control the incoming and outgoing gases and there are mechanical levers to provide a rotary output" So you see im not misleading you and nor is SM but why would you build a 1 tube device when i said 4 already then replace the ignition device with a blow torch. It appears to me people glance at the specs and do something completely different to what has been described and thats why the TPU is still a pipe dream on this website and i have only been looking at this now for a week yet others have spent years doing R and D!! :)
Am I being very negative? NO this is a constructive comment becuase 90% of the stuff i read on here is hogwash and ticks no boxes that SM has very nicely described to us. Please keep thinking of ideas but make sure they tie up with the description and could meet the test results shown to us in the videos.
Are these tpus working at all or is it a wild goose chase? Was Steven Mark a fraud? Are the videos on YouTube a scam? Just curious.
Where is his patent or the patent of the company he sold it too? Isn't there a time limitation to patents? Hasn't that run out by now? Maybe the guy is just a liar and an ass that wants to get everyones hopes up and become a folk legend.
@leeroyjenkin
try reading some of the posts, all the answers are there!!!
No the TPU is almost certainly real. The rights to the design were sold off years ago. The devices have been inspected many times by top engineers and found to do exactly as they were designed to do. However, in 10 years no one in the public eye has reproduced the design but i believe it has been done in other labs elsewhere in the world but still kept secret. The reasons have been discussed many times before. To me its little surprise it hasn't worked certainly on this forum because the word "sine" only shows up 22 times in the TPU folder prior to the last 7 days in the forum and was only very lightly discussed 5 times.
Its unlikely that anyone has got anywhere close to making precision sine waves that are phase locked to a master oscillator and injecting the 3 signals into the right control coils. An IF would have to be made also to produce the right heterodyne offset. If and when every possibility of this Sine concept has been tried will i believe we have exhausted current thinking that matches SM's description. Until such time we have in my opinion tackled a completely unexplored area of research that is vastly different to whacking the coils with square waves and pulses and messing about with spark gaps etc. then the direction of progress is wrong. However, im calling the kettle black because i should do something about it but i just don't have access to all the test equipment i once had and starting with a coil of wire and a soldering iron is not exactly lab conditions :)
perhaps it is time for a big group think
i have a rather larrge collection of varous coils i have built
so the collector is the pancake right? copper lamp wire then we have 3 controls on the pancake in segments all the way around right?
so that alone says in a 1 coil config there 9 control coils 3 groups of 3 controls in 1 ring no?
and also 3 pancake collectors in the same ring what im saying most will have a hard time understanding what im trying to say as im not verry good with words im no writer but i love to build
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good call gone to draw........ of course nothing wants to work right hummmm........... using corel draw
got it drawen finally this was what i was trying to say
Well the mechanics of the coils have wound up all over the place, pulses have been tested widely, alot of materials have been layed down. So why not curve through space with sine waves and audio circuitry. The graphic of the microphones pointing inward to the spearker cone wasn't that far fetched and we haven't aired in this area yet. SM was was/is an audio engineer. Stands to reason this is good. Soft, smooth operation like an exercise into violin music.
Don't know why I left the concert hall to join in the paint ball games, but it was fun. And as Edison stated 'We know another way that doesn't work'.
So I am working on the 3 channel digitally controlled sine wave, 10 mip, 16 bit d/a output to a fet audio amp. Then the analog side will be covered.
I can even do PPL next step with a variance window.
If I could find 5 xr-2206 I would settle for that.
No problem, I build, you watch, we see, open source. Right?
http://www.futurlec.com/PIC18F8720_Controller.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/PIC18F8720_Controller.shtml) hooked to a http://www.futurlec.com/PIC18F8720_Controller.shtml (http://www.futurlec.com/PIC18F8720_Controller.shtml)
I will find fet amp in a few.
--giantkiller. Time, money, effort, whatever it takes. The prize is accomplishment.
Brilliant giantkiller! I think you got what it takes. You adapt to fresh ideas and have the resources to do it. Some have the resources but wont adapt they just get stuck in a rut. Its very much like trading stocks or forex. There are many ways to trade but 95% of people that try lose. The winners takes all because they cut their losses and let the winners win!
Put SM's bible in front of you and check EVERY word he says. Please make sure you make a kill switch. A microswitch with lever is a good start either hand held or mounted to a block of wood on the floor under your bench so it anything happens its like taking your foot of the gas and kills the PSU instantly. Put fuses in the main coils too. If you hit these 3 frequencies with precision then SM has warned this can turn into a bomb. I really believe this to be the case because his big mama device handles a kw or two easily. In fact he was able to blow a 70 amp fuse with it detuned and there is no way you will have chance to lean over your workbench and pull the plug its too late. When you read his bible notes it looks like he is going off on tangets. Absolutely not. Even the audio story has embedded information.
A pratical standpoint use a master clock, make division controller, use high quality very low noise mosfet Op Amps. Output stage should be class A power mosfet DC coupled but i think 4 watt a channel will be more then enough. This setup should run from DC to several megs if you stay away from coupling caps. SM adds this to hint:
"I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high. But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ.
Which I measured."
AND
"You know transistors just don't do well at those high frequencies.
They try hard but they just make all sorts of harmonics all over the place.
Dirty things transistors.
MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size."
Well i think thats as clear as mud LOL
laters...
well im glad your mud is transparent cuz mine is a little clouldly just a wee bit dirtty too
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well i just aint got the skills to play anymore l8rz all
best luck
@bolt,
Thanks for the bolt of confidence. :)
It will run about $100.00 for the whole setup. The IDE, sample code and asm libraries from Parallax will have the answers. And that is the free part. Done this before, not difficult. Besides, Parallax is always good support. Especially when you give a little shpeil 'bout what you are working on. I got the whole device platform, plus some goodies, worked out from their site. I will go over it again tonight and call in the morning. Everything just plugs together. The boards are also in the the range of 1 to 3 inches big. Shweet!
I estimate 1 week till it's up. Till then, mind if I keep throwing design ideas out there?
I would not be surprised if the parameters of the coil physics aren't that tight as we have thought of them. Was just waiting for a natural break in the clouds instead of crackin' one myself.
--giantkiller. When we search for the truth, we end up where the answers are.
GK,
thats great that PIC board is the business! I could have great fun with that, programmer at heart me!
Will you publish your shopping list here? $100 seems like a small investment for a nice setup. I should imagine that because it is so flexible there is a good chance that whether this is the final solution or not these boards will figure...
also could do with a diagram for dummies like me showing how all the parts of the coil are connected in detail, saw your two previous diagrams. Or may be someone out there can whip up a 3D model?
Acerzw, researcher
@acerzw,
Sure. I will post everything. Sharing is caring.
The only complicated part would the asm for the 1, 1.5, 2 modulus freqs. I have to dig in the manual to see their mult and div statements. If that is there then piece of cake. Actually that is a stupid statement. I just figure out the bit count to speed and dump that into the counter registers. I'm done. 8)
I did realize that there are quite a few posts on the freqs and jdo300 is heading that way with a uchip & digital signal chip solution. We talked about the Parallax quite a bit. It is agreed that the digital control would be the best. Analog jumps and could jump into a banger. That was proved in my last scope movie on youtube. :o I connect all this in a bit.
Now for some history:
Tesla stated that the spark killed men, metallic objects became charged. Those 2 statements imply power and field size.
Now my part. Whoever has not been to my website then they will not know I have stainless steel in my feet from an accident. I also carry the staphylococci from a hospital accident. So I kept my coil generated field size below the 2 ft radius to keep the field from the metal in my feet. I cannot afford to have the metal discharge at all and cause any blemish on the surfaces. The staph would rush to the site and cause infection. Already been there, am not going back again.
Now you all understand my harping on safety.
We will now return to our regularly scheduled program.
--giantkiller.
GK,
When I try to view your website I just get a blank page? is it working?
acerzw
Here is a very nice audio amp i found with a quick google. Very simple class A mosfet amp which is DC coupled and will have extremely wide bandwidth should easily run DC to a 1 meg i recon. The only drawback is the split rails supply but hey if your going to do this then give it the best shot. If it works then scaling back on quality can come later and you can then use this a very nice home hi fi amp so it wont go to waste no matter what happens. I heard this class A stuff before it just has to be heard the difference really is amazing! Even at 3 Hz your speaker cone will just move in and out like a piston LOL and this is exactly what SM is describing to make the TPU work.
Half way down this page http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html
i didn't know you was bionic so better use a handheld kill switch instead.
That is a nice starting point for a mosfet audio amp...if only you had a running coil to use it on you
might be able to learn to protect it somehow ..it only took Steven 10 years to do so.
I wonder how it will respond to 5khz spikes and wide band RF hash finding its way back to the output fets?
read his stuff again, this is futile for me
I 'm done here, for a time much longer than those fets will last.
easy.......there wont be any RF nor pulses. This is a musical instrument and such no RF should be generated. Do your mains transformer at home create RF and hash? Mine dont.
Quote from: acerzw on September 06, 2007, 01:34:22 AM
GK,
When I try to view your website I just get a blank page? is it working?
acerzw
It is a browser problem. I handcrafted the page in straight HTML. You using firefox?
--giantkiller.
@giantkiller,
Yes, Firefox on Ubuntu Linux, all open source, don't you know.
However I do have a small XP partition on my main machine for old times sake, so I will boot that and take a look...
Anyway GK, keep up the good work, I am impressed that you are doing this with metal in your person, must be a nightmare at the airport... so I can see that the next project needs to be anti-gravity so we can build a UFO and avoid all those airport checks...
I probably will post a little something in the AM for group moral boosting purposes. I do think that once the TPU replication is done an dusted (before Xmas to keep our Walmart friend happy) that the accumulated knowledge of all on this thread who care to participate should be applied to building an anti-gravity device. After all with all the free-energy, we will need to use if for something worthwhile, and powering banks of 100w light-bulbs is not awe inspiring to me.
So I propose that we use the energy to power a anti-grav device. We know it can be done from the www.hutchinsoneffect.ca website, so we just need to perfect it. The Tibetans have done it for Hundreds of years with music and as bolt says we have a musical instrument. I strongly believe that the TPU is not far off a functioning AG device, the whole universe it built of waves, just a case of learning to resonate them in the right way. I am convinced that RE is related to Wilhelm Reich's orgone energy. Much research leads me to believe that ions and a TPU like device can do it.
Anyway, until later and hopefully in the AM I will post a little something...
Acerzw (or Robert)
Quote from: acerzw on September 06, 2007, 02:08:41 PM
@giantkiller,
Yes, Firefox on Ubuntu Linux, all open source, don't you know.
However I do have a small XP partition on my main machine for old times sake, so I will boot that and take a look...
Acerzw (or Robert)
http://www.denver.net/~paul/main.htm (http://www.denver.net/~paul/main.htm)
works better with linux (Debian).
Norbert
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MPlab ide downloaded and installed
Manuals printed
Training curve started.
Process model started for the frequency loops.
Will decide on Opensource VB ide clone to create pc interface to Uctrlr board through serial cable. WIll migrate to blue tooth later. Have another project that needs this.
Sites for tube stuff.
http://www.askjanfirst.com/eindex.htm (http://www.askjanfirst.com/eindex.htm)
And as a back up for the xr-2206 sine wave output.
http://www.loetstelle.net/projekte/xr2206neu/xr2206neu.php (http://www.loetstelle.net/projekte/xr2206neu/xr2206neu.php)
Got to find the supplier of small quantity of chips for < $100us. Anybody?
Now on to the amplifier stage...
And for you picture buffs:
http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tme_feature.html
http://picturecode.com/index.htm
--giantkiller. My goal has been to finitely reproduce the Hutchison effect. Maybe injecting different type waveforms. 8)
GK,
You have another project that needs that... crikey dude, exactly how many hands do you have? :o
I looked at your web page and I see that you have at least 3! :o
Eek I thought I was a bit of a geek, you really are the six million dollar man, gotta envy a tech spec like that... f**k if I had a quarter of that on my CV I would be happy, and as for the DoomRod that has to be the coolest FPS accessory I have ever seen... 8) Well with your CV If you can't replicate the TPU, then I really don't think anyone else on the planet will... ;)
Acerzw
@acerzw,
Obsessive, Compulsive Creativity (OC2, I am my own chemical compound). LOL. If you get to the web page you see will a Finish line for children's pinewood derby races. This version uses cables. I have the race tracking software done and want to hook the 2 together so that after registration the device runs the pc.
OBTW: I've built hands too.
--giantkiller. No sleep, no life, no time, only progress.LOL.
Hey GK,
You know you don't have the monopoly on Obsessive Compulsive Disorder on this forum, I got that too! (really).
Does kinda screw up your sleep/wake cycle something cronic... but hey the brightest lights burn quickest ???
Acerzw, will post again in the AM...
Go this excerpt from the amp site.
Quote
Class A power amplifier designed to drive loudspeakers. Initially I wanted to use separate heavily asymmetrical PSU biasing opamp into full class A for the whole swing of output voltage but not after I have heard it play. The sound is gorgeous! This sound is bright and crisp. Bass is so punchy - I did not think my Tannoys Mercury M2.5 would sound so good. Actually after finishing wiring a prototype I spent two days just sitting a listening to my favorite albums again and again...
This is the best design I have came up so far!
I use two 6x6x4cm heatsinks per channel. Power supply is unregulated (just transformer, diode bridge and capacitors) but I cannot hear anything even when I put my ear within few centimeters of the loudspeaker. Opamp has very good power supply rejection ratio. I've tried to keep everything as simple as possible and basically LM317 would be just one extra opamp... If you are looking for better sound, get separate regulated low power supply just for the U1 opamp, something like +-15V at 100-200 mA.
I have also used one LM7805 to get bias for both channels - you may want to use two separate 7805 in a final amp to get better channel separation. R2 pot is anything from 500 to 50k. I have used 22k.
To convert this to a headphone amp just use lower gain (1..3) and possibly regulated power supply. Of course idle current should be brought down to 50-100mA.
I personally prefer AD826 against OPA2604 but the difference is so small I am not even sure that it exists. The amp has so few components and is so simple that no single component can colour the sound too much. And no single electrolytics beside bypass for opamp (2x100uF), at least not in signal path!
The split rail is not bad. But I have never seen a voltage regulator used like that. A slick trick.
Correction to doco here:
http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,AD826,00.html (http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,AD826,00.html)
(6) AD826 ordered.
@all
Since it's early in the AM here, and us night owls are out and about, I think its time for a piece of eye candy. Since I haven't built anything yet here's a little tribute to those who can and do, so if you want to feel part of this good old collaborative open source convoy, just print out this sucker and stick it on your wall, your dog, your car, your fridge or anything else that needs brightening up... and then fasten your seat belts for the rest of this journey... 8)
Acerzw, here's to you all...
(since it's open source please find the original in a zipped Open Office Draw file.)
I think this vid applies:
GK,
That video shows what ???
Acerzw
@acerzw nice sticker colour is always good
neat vid gk
is that a pancake in the vid disprecing its magnetic feild from the centre out?
or hey maybe it is the base of a tesla coil
hummmm thats not being plused with 7.8 too is it?
yea im back i can not leave it alone till i got one well even then........... i just cant ;D
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Quote from: giantkiller on September 06, 2007, 11:39:24 PM
I think this vid applies:
Hi,
That video is not that intresting...
It is more intresting when you take two leads of a stepping motor, and you try to drive it with a low frequency sine wave..
it will not spin ,just judder to the left and to the right.
so, you start it by hand ,while adjusting the frequency, and it will show you something very intresting at one hard to tune into frequency.
it takes some time but when you have it going you can switch on the frequency counter to find it is indeed the magic frequency and it will keep spinning and vibrate heavily too.
if you then switch it to square waves,the motor will make a familiair noise...
M.
marco please tell more about your observation. These frequencies i posted relate to the pipe theory document.
5.76KHz master clock pure sine
A divide by 8 which = 720Hz then offset to 720 - 7.83 = 712.17
A divide by 9 which = 640Hz .
A divide by 12 which = 480Hz.
producing the required 7.83 Hz. When in tune it provides a musical chord. Try it on your sig gen and try different frequencies played through a speaker. When offset it will provide the wow wow wow wow sound of the offset. This offset should interact with the 7.83 Hz
However its the ratio of the frequencies thats important thus we find the resonance of the collector then apply the offset. SM says the frequency is directly related to the diameter of the coil. Well that sounds standard to me. How do we find this first frequency? Mmm use a grid dip oscillator!! This should in theory interact with the incoming longitudinal earth wave also passing over the coil as 7.83 Hz which when precise will produce the standing wave on the collector. The phase is critical yet 100% cancellation will completely stall the generated 7.83 to the earth incoming wave producing a massive standing wave.
Look at vid of the 800 volt TPU circuit. There are 4 wires coming into the control box at the top. At the bottom of the control are 2 large white cylinders. These are very high voltage film caps to terminate the coil as LC. They pass through 2 current config torrodial . The sine frequencies are driven into the ends of the coil. I believe this is a 2 coil collector. The feedback control is very limited i believe not more than 4 taps. The control feedback looks to come in via the molex connector which will also have a power tap there for the control PSU. This allows quick interchange of the control box. The overlay winding on all tpu seen are the output coil. This looks somewhat conventional. ie the more turns overlayed over the complete collector coils clearly seen on the 800 volt TPU the higher the output voltage. BUT there will be a trade off. Too many turns will over couple the load to the collector oscillator and either stop the oscillation or overheat the coil. This is why the large tpu built on foam. If the load coil to collector coils move it will adversely affect the TPU. Thats why the small tpu put out 180 volts or so and the larger units increase the voltage and power. In each of the smaller device vids it can be clearly seen he connect the load lamps to the outer over winding as these terminate as thin windings that are spaced about a inch apart at exit point where he attaches the croc clips. On the large 800 volt TPU it can be clearly seen 2 large caps with bleed resistors on top. This is highly likely to be connected to the output coil because you only fit bleeds on HV stuff where you don't want to get whacked an hour after the device has been switched off! But the smaller TPUs did not bother with output caps. I conclude caps are not required in smaller tpu but adding them where there is space cleans the output nothing more.
Although the above setup might do something clearly it might need more so what can the control coils do for us? . Well we can check to see if there is a voltage appearing in our output winding. As the voltage increases we can adjust either the phase of the heterodyne offset or the amplitude of sig frequencies. So in effect were are tuning to maximum useful voltage output remembering of course never to run to 100%.
It may be that CW is not enough to maintain oscillations and that feedback is required within the collector loop itself. We start the frequencies then wait for control kick and turn off while checking the next segment then when conditions are right turn on the frequencies again. In this case the switching on and off the 3 frequencies and waiting for an effect. This maybe where the 5Kz comes from and could prove somewhat a uniform frequncy based on the delay it takes for the mag impulse to travel around the collector no matter what size the collector really is so this maybe a constant. I can see why the final design could take years because there are many variables here to adjust, amplitude, phase, frequncy, feedback.
Anyway, im offering my thoughts to make a working TPU but i think its leaps and bounds over what has been achieved in the last 2 years but lets get the first clean kicks out of the TPU so then we can move forwards.
The DAC from futurlec.com goes upto 222k. The ucontrols wil allow a first freq to be set which will be variable. Then 2 more freqs above and below with a % variable width window, position adjustable also. So one could sweep any one of the freqs and have the variable window sweep with it. The wider the window the safer. Control the window and you control the wave summation on the coil. That is the pc interface part that could control some of the dynamics up front and lead to a control interface afterward for standard operation to build any type of the 1000 ways coils. Any freqs or phasing possible.
@bolt,
Great posts!
--giantkiller. Parts on the way. 10mips @ 12bit @ 222khz
giantkiller take a look at this. Download it and keep it in your notes file. Its a wide band video op amp. It may prove cost effective in future designs rather than using powerfet PA. The video amp has excellent rating DC to 400 Mhz. Certainly up to 100 meg it should well exceed anything we want it to do. The output is designed to run into 50/75 ohms and thats the reason SM is using a torrid balun to provide the correct impedance from the sig gen to collector. The other nice thing about this is 4 channels on one chip LMH6722 and there is a TTL like shut down pin which will start and stop extremely fast. You will like this it has digital input gain selector also which will work great off your little board.:)
For now though carry on with the class A amp until we can achieve the nasty over used term "proof of concept"
http://cache.national.com/ds/LM/LMH6714.pdf
Why SM may need to use balun? This could also be useful to provide the correct impedance of the sig output to collector. The sig gen will be very low impedance and unbalanced even the mostfet PA stage is designed to run into very low impedance..few ohms. The collector coil will appear as several hundred ohms balanced. We know that a twisted pair has a 300 ohm impedance same as EDIT folded dipole (open unbalanced dipoles usually low impedance 50 or 75 ohm) and the collector coil could be as high. If the sig input is mismatched then we cannot transfer enough useful signal in to the collector. While writing this it certainly occurred to me the collector is a magnetic dipole! LOL oh heck it gets better. The two collector coils ARE balanced and fed into the balun. This means energy must be transferring between top to bottom and back again. Read about how the MEG is supposed to work and note the similarities.
http://www.pd7bz.com/radioprogs/manuals/balun_transformer.htm
You see now that the theory that ticks the right boxes to make this work is far more involved then whacking pulses and see what comes out the other side:) What we have on our side is that the TPU is real and already exists.
GK,
PDF on balun transformer construction:
http://www.oselectronics.com/downloads/Broadband%20Transformers.pdf
Acerzw
@GK, Bolt
Seems the TPU theory is complete. I believe I can see a radical simplification ;)
Acerzw, ex-researcher > builder! 8)
(will post design if works, fingers crossed, and not hit by a bolt, ETA 1-2 wks :o)
@Bolt,
I'm on it. Will start formulating and designing that in for the future. Plugh -n- play, The cave will not be closing any time too soon.
@all,
Alot going on at the software bench too.
Yes, you did notice a shift in my work. The analog side has to be covered also. I am gaining more interfaces for output. And when this stage get completed I will have one sweet environment.
--giantkiller. More toys!
@Acerzw
Quote from: acerzw on September 07, 2007, 06:11:30 PM
@GK, Bolt
Seems the TPU theory is complete. I believe I can see a radical simplification ;)
Acerzw, ex-researcher > builder! 8)
(will post design if works, fingers crossed, and not hit by a bolt, ETA 1-2 wks :o)
Sorry for my english all..!!
First of all i want to say hi to everyone...
I?m researching this forum just to learn more about the TPU and its development. I have no skills on eletronics... but... i saw that you wrote that the TPU theory is complete and you are going to build one...
So... I?m very anxious waiting your results... i?m waiting very hopefully that the people working in it going to give us the bigger gift... i working device...
I hope you can succeed..!! I want to see your results!!
Thank You!
Thank All!!
Best Regards,
Vinicius
dont you all think all things lead back to the start?
perhaps the first turbo coil?
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gk just finished watching primer hummmm......
i better watch it agin
@GK
Strange how relatable things pop up. Catching up on my reading and popped in on your site.
Broke both mine but my bird shot up instead of down... updraft they said. Only problem was I was near the end of the rope below with a full pack and equipment when it happened. The electronics survived well. They extracted me. Only a 40 foot drop and no suffering to your extent... At least after the drugs took hold ;D
All almost twenty years before yours. Now I can tell when it'll rain - and before RE builds up!
@ Bolt
I agree with GK, some very, very thought provoking posts. It was brought to my attention some time ago, by more than one source, the similarities between the MEG and SM's TPU. Except the TPU works. Here is a post from some time ago with the MEG mentioned, as I looked into how to incorporate the earth's magnetic field somehow into the device.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg35809.html#msg35809
Also that you have inspired another to go from research, to building, is a welcome thing!
Cheers, :)
Bruce
A guy called Bushwacker on here was sited by SM for getting rather close with the TPU. As it happened we are going back quite sometime now couple years so i checked back and read his post to see why he was warm. It transpires he was working on a system called HOPE. In that design he also use 3 frequencies of pure sine and recognized the importance of producing a heterodyne but was using this to crack a peizo crystalline structure that he was expecting (hoping :) ) to produce larger voltages induced in another winding then the input power. Well i think i got this right but anyway for reasons that i cant understand the forum went off on a 2 year journey of high voltages, spikes, square waves and other nasties so his theory failed him.
Lets not forget that nature produces sine waves, the come us ocean waves, sound waves, light waves and magnetic waves. Unless a pure sine is produced thats in phase and the same amplitude of the incoming earth mag phase we cant produce the required standing wave and thus the required kick. I have my doubts about the processor clock doing this because im not sure the sine will be clean enough but maybe quasi-sine but lets see how this transpires.
Take a look half way down this page at his little schematic
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=358.msg5176
@GK & bolt
Well I have decided to put a draft of the basics of my design on the forum for your comment, it will take me some time to build and since I am not a good builder, your input would be much valued and we are open source after all. You guys could build it quicker than me anyway (probably safer for me to buy the Walmart version).
I was thinking of using a DC12V, 1 Watt Standard CPU Fan (or any size you like ::)), mounting 4 bar magnets (or 3 sets of small magnets above each other) vertically on the rotor tall enough to pass the three stacked sets of coils. All the coils are bifilar wound and collect the BEMF from the collapsing magnetic field, all three rings of coils are connected to the collector. Coil rings need to insulated from each other, so coils don't touch.
A variable resistor can be used to vary the motor speed, possibly this way the RPM can be adjusted slightly to make the sure the full conversion frequency is avoided.
The rest should be a walk in the park. Diodes to protect the source power. Bleed off caps. A take off from the collector output to power the motor once it gets up to speed. Your comments? :o
Acerzw
(P.S. If you think it would work could some electronics genius, design the circuit with self-running tap from output, variable speed, bleed off caps and power supply protection diodes, and an optional RPM counter would be useful. Please optimise for maximum build simplicity, minimum component count. Could also use advice on coil configuration, wire type, no. windings etc. Please post all open source.)
are we there yet? ;D
Acerzw
and the answer is the secret ;)
i just watched it last night and you know what it was not at all what i thought it would be
and all i can say is thank you gk
if you have not seen it then go watch it it will help you out ;D
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@Kemo-sabe,
The key word is scaleable. In your diagram you show magnets mechanically passing each other. That falls in the category of 'Industrial thinking'. No offense. Window motor shows same thing and the same thing can be achieved with the sine waves moving in and out of phase. Your diagram also shows 3 rings that can equate to 3 frequencies. In this model you show all 3 can be in phase at the same time and mechanically you can not stop that. It will happen whether precisely or randomly. Boom...
By letting the coil do the work electrically, the dynamic operation can be kept under watch alot easier with a feedback / PLL circuit. This keeps the 3 frequencies off the beam.
So the 2 camps of design are square pulse and sine wave generation. After seeing the results so far the square pulses can be used in pulse generators, big ones. The sine waves can be be used in wave generators, big ones. The 2 types of production have their place in the future. Or we can permit crossovers. Whooowa ha ha! (mad scientist laugh).
@bolt,
I will take a small step to start and build a 3 channel audio oscillator Wein bridge circuit out of an lm324. Just to phase into sine wave operation quickly.
http://sound.westhost.com/project22.htm (http://sound.westhost.com/project22.htm) The specs say it is sloppy and low Q. But it is fast and easy. I will drive irf840s to start also.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: innovation_station on September 08, 2007, 11:07:43 AM
and the answer is the secret ;)
i just watched it last night and you know what it was not at all what i thought it would be
and all i can say is thank you gk
if you have not seen it then go watch it it will help you out ;D
ist
The premise for 'The secret' was founded by Christian men and women in the 1910-1920s. Trower being one of them. If you need proof just ask any successful person how they thought about how they became. Eventually when you get all the cars, the houses, the money you will start to ponder what is the bigger power that makes it all possible.
If hope you saw the nano ref here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=358.msg5176 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=358.msg5176)?
@all,
How bad do you want it?
--giantkiller. I will never work another day in my life.
acerzw a mechanical version is not in my remit. I am looking to replicate only the TPU so im afraid i cant help with any mechanical design. My suggestion is the world is already FULL of mechanical over unity inventions LOL
GiantKiller the wein bridge is an excellent sine wave device except for the stability. However to tinker with the frequencies to "see what happens" then its a good circuit to play with. If you create tornado over your house and town starts to lose power then you know its tuning nicely.
i will work everyday for the rest of my life but it will not be considered work
but PLAY
if you can think it you will have it but only if you want it !!!
just like gk said
how bad do you want it?
@ all
well all the secrets for secucess are all already here it is just a matter of finding them for yourselvs ;D
and it all lies with in you. you make it happin and no one can do it for you
isteam!!
Its just occured to me that 2 of the 3 frequencies once we found them will be fixed and very accurate either uP controlled or Xtal. The third frequency will be the BFO to produce the hetrodyne but this is also controlling the reactor from self destruction. Our goal of course is to provide a reasonable level of power from the device without overheating or over under volts can all be done on the Voltage Controlled Osc. One of the control coils will sniff the output voltage where we can rectify, smooth it, divide it down and feed that into the VCO. Then this will track optimal working conditions within a working window. I don't think we know for sure what the earth mag frequency is does it change? Is it stable like an atomic clock? I dunno but we CAN see the effects and adjust the BFO accordingly. Its early days yet but may be able to control the output voltage of the device using a comparator against our reference voltage calibrated against what we want the device to do. Lets say it gets very hot at 180 volts at BFO 68.5674 Khz then our comparator ref will be running too high. The VCO can then be forced off frequncy to say 68.5631 Khz detuning the device and dropping the voltage to 120 volts where is runs cool and happy. As the device is loaded the voltage may drop again so BFO tunes in harder but this time a thermistor taped in the coil will force it off tune again if it gets too hot.
If you recall SM had a problem with his 800 volt TPU once time it went a bit haywire and the voltage dropped to 200 volts. I suspect the VCO lost its tracking but its a simple solution very easy and cheap.
@GK & bolt
I realise you are not aiming at a mechanical version, however I like it for its simplicity, I understand the phase problem and do think there are a number of simple work arounds. Ideally a completely solid state one would be great, but I don't need ideal and since my electronics skills are basic it would be more difficult to construct for me. I want one you can construct from easily sourced components that could be built where only they are available. I am sure this sounds really sad, but I also like to see things working, so I would probably stick a few coloured leds on the rotor ;)
Correct me if I am wrong, but a small mechanical rotary TPU device like this could produce a lot of power from a small size?
I had thought of hybrids and have a few ideas.
Apart from the phase problem, is there anything wrong with the basic idea?
Acerzw
I just saw the irf840 compared to the irf530, does not have the schottky fast recovery diode but a regular one.
Should be ok though. We are in the 5khz range and the 840 is 1/2 the spec of 530.
General purpose and hi-speed switching. I don't see any specs on the frequency response characteristics.
This should be interesting.
--giantkiller
if you want a novelty device build the SSG and tweak that to get some power out of it to charge a battery. At least you will get something for your troubles while you can learn more about the electronics involved. The SSG is similar to what you are trying to do and there are already several working models using fan motors and CD drives etc that speed up to staggering speeds with hardly any input current. You will find the use of fets work quite different to what we are doing here as they are capturing devices rather than catalyst in the TPU. Although the TPU theory is sturdy we have yet to discover how the make an open loop design and stop the normal electron flow in the exciter.
Quote from: acerzw on September 08, 2007, 01:15:59 PM
@GK & bolt
I realise you are not aiming at a mechanical version, however I like it for its simplicity, I understand the phase problem and do think there are a number of simple work arounds. Ideally a completely solid state one would be great, but I don't need ideal and since my electronics skills are basic it would be more difficult to construct for me. I want one you can construct from easily sourced components that could be built where only they are available. I am sure this sounds really sad, but I also like to see things working, so I would probably stick a few coloured leds on the rotor ;)
I had thought of hybrids and have a few ideas.
Apart from the phase problem, is there anything wrong with the basic idea?
Acerzw
Absolutely not.
I am looking for total durability though from my view.
Think about this. They need water wells in some of the poorest parts in Africa. MAF (Mission Aviation Fellowship) drills them. The next step is automatic pumping for irrigation, electrical production and cooling. No moving parts. Very remote installations. Very light transport requirements are needed because their goal is drilling equipment and medical supplies, which must be kept cool.
Everything is valid. What ever it takes to get the technology out there.
--giantkiller. More goals than time.
gk if you have other fets handy then use them nothing too critical here and should work just as well. If you look at SM's PCB on the smallest coil its tiny even if packed full of surface mount which i very much doubt the power requirements must still be very small. Whatever the class A amp to the size your building should be enough to power a 7kw 4ft diameter coil :)
@ bolt and just a question but are you left handed as well?
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@GK
Totally with you on that about Africa etc. I understand for the application you have in mind mechanical is not good for reliability. But for applications where people are around and device reliability is not so critical, i.e. for powering an old TV, then a device which is simpler to construct because it is partially mechanical has its uses too.
SInce you are happy that my theory is sound, I will continue to work on my design, I hope you don't mind but I will ask the odd question or for advice now and then. I will stay on this thread unless anyone objects, because a) it is my second home now. b) you guys are on it c) I follow your work even though your electronics is getting way beyond my ability. ???
I realise my device is not solid-state, but I think there is much cross-over of ideas and theories. I will not clutter up the forum with too much mechanical stuff, I promise.
Acerzw
@Acerzw,
No problem.
I see spools of wire and control boxes imbedded in the base of the wells. Tamper proof. ;) And cheap enough to be installed for free.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: bolt on September 08, 2007, 01:31:01 PM
Although the TPU theory is sturdy we have yet to discover how the make an open loop design and stop the normal electron flow in the exciter.
@bolt or GK
could you explain the above in more detail, I want to do research on how to solve this. Can you explain in terms of voltage/amps or another way?
Acerzw
P.S. the premise for 'The Secret' goes far further back than 1910 (to the Egyptians), see the 'Kybalion' an old Hermetic text, and that was the first written version of a secret passed down orally because few could write before then. See:
http://www.kybalion.org/ or event better a PDF of it: http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf
Phenomenology, belief systems and the nature of 'reality', I have 20 years of study on that topic!
might this be where the "gate keeper " falls in to play?
hummm...
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As it happens i am LH.
Open loop? Mmmm i don't know but i will know when its finished. This is because for pure conventional theorist of electromagnetic induction will see the final working configuration of the TPU defies normal logic and appears not to have feedback to maintain oscillation or true transformer qualities or is wired in such a way between control coils that make it look invalid yet works. Look at SSG and note the way the batteries are configured between the earths of the device while the output is shorted to ground via a diode. Im no where near up to speed as only been looking at the TPU now for a little over 1 week but read Tom Bearden description of the MEG. For practical purposes just think outside the box and try everything and thats why only cutting edge inventors will succeed.
When people first saw the motor vehicle the first question was "where is your horse?" Doesn't that sound familiar?
@GK
Whats your take on the open loop quote in my last post?
Acerzw
also Team TPU Mini Badge, for use on design documents (3 sizes in zipped Open Office Draw file).
could or would you class this as an open loop?
is
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-qOAkNMOBE&mode=related&search=
kinda looks like the movie primer eh gk?
look at this vid check out frame 2min 39 sec and note the date lol!! also notice the sine wave at the bottom of the screen
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mSBEYs0rjac&mode=related&search=
A closed loop is a linear transposition. In other words we can account for the linear energy in = energy out and in conventional electronics we can account fully for the power input = light heat radiation, electro magnetic etc derived directly by the electron flow of the circuit. So our mains AC input power is transformed through a linear medium. In so doing every effect has an equal and opposite effect to replace that energy being consumed which includes a time reversal component. This can not be measured by conventional electronics but it does exist all the same but its a non linear process.
In non linear process we can tap into the open circuit theory which says that the reflective part of the signal going back is composite of many harmonics. Thus by generating the composite as a catalyst then we reverse the entire process and real power is returned of many times magnitude. This is the basis of the TPU and the construction of the harmonics need to be of low power, precision and purity. The power returned is real and we can of course measure and use it just as if it was fundamental energy source. Now the trouble is conventional electronics will see this real power and instantaneously kill the catalyst composite signal which produced this in the first place so it becomes unsustainable unless we keep the loop open. This part of the TPU has yet to be worked out but leaping ahead here as no bench work has been properly constructed on the composite signal. Well SM did of course but not us.
Further ahead you can see therefore that we can build composite catalyst for ALL known energy including light heat radio magnetic AND gravity. In the case of the TPU do you think we are producing electricity or magnetism? Well im quite sure that we are producing magnetism via the catalyst composite route but the frequncy is such that we get induction of the scalar waves in return from those generated by the earth. This produces a much larger magnetic field in our collector which has the inertia and rotational effect. Then we have this electricity that is produced as a by product which is several thousand times larger than the composite signal we started with.
As Tom Bearden quite rightly says forget the LAWS of physics as this was written by man in the last 300 years and laws as within everyday life can and are broken. You see just because someone observed that 95% of the time you shouldn't do something or cant then claim it to be law does not mean in 5% of the cases it can not happen. Simply does. In this case we are not breaking laws because the energy thats being taped into is flowing from the north and south poles of the earth all the time. So you may ask why not generate electricity directly without going via the magnetic route? Well how is electricity normally generated this is the point it doest just happen its an artifact. In a battery its a chemical ion exchange which gives up electrons producing current. In a generator its the action of magnets and coils passing each other. There are other processes that achieve electricity but you can see in each case its a byproduct. If some of you realized for a moment you cant produce more electricity from electricity directly ie step up step down transformer, spark gaps etc then i am sure you would have taken a different route entirely. It instantly negates the use of pulses and inductions no matter what the power.
Keep your mind open.....and hurry i got to fill my 500,000 units to Walmart:)
And also the heart of the GK4 layers.
I went and spent some time with a friend and she showed me her grandfather's shortwave radio.
--giantkiller.
wonderful radios, i love them its perfect engineering.
Suggestion (my new coils are not complete yet):
If we are inputting the effect to create the cause (harmonics to create sine) then input the signal we expect and see what comes out. Will it be the unknown frequencies?
You can split light with a prism. You can create laser light by combining frequencies.
;)
Be careful about the definition of a harmonic. Wiki say this about what is a harmonic
"the harmonic of a wave is a component frequency of the signal that is an integer multiple of the fundamental frequency. For example, if the frequency is f, the harmonics have frequency 2f, 3f, 4f, etc. The harmonics have the property that they are all periodic at the signal frequency, and due to the properties of Fourier series, the sum of the signal and its harmonics is also periodic at that frequency."
However, harmonics in electronic circuits are often created unintentionally when we create distortion. Theses harmonics are nasties and degrade from the purity and stability of our precursor catalyst. SM comments on this in his notes.
There is quite a bit about harmonics that isn't in Wiki or the books. We are dealing with more than the electrical component. The electrical side is pretty clear and proven. The magnetic side is also well written but like so much in classic physics it is assumed one case fits all.
The formulae change when moving from far field to near field. On proceeding or receeding the strength of attraction/repulsion changes radically - so does the speed of the object acted upon. Space and time are opposite sides of the same coin. If you distort space you also distort time. Like mass magnetics have the same effect or so I have proven to myself.
You should find that harmonics are not always integer multiples - from your view as the observer. While from the fundamental's view they are. This is one reason why velocity factor must be considered when designing a transmission line. Current speed - and therefore the magnetic field speed isn't the same for all conductors - from our view.
Yes. I realized this over that last few days. The DACs operate strictly with integer values doubled. By using these the other fidelic features of the harmonics will be missed like .2, .3, .5, .7, .9 portion of a wave. Analog control gives a wider control into the color of the sound. Very interesting google.
Sound will be the medicine of the future. - Edgar Cayce
http://www.biowaves.com/ (http://www.biowaves.com/)
--giantkiller.
GK,
where are those two pictures you posted from?
I like the tesla one, which tesla patent is it from?
Acerzw
Quote from: innovation_station on September 08, 2007, 06:36:54 PM
could or would you class this as an open loop?
is
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-qOAkNMOBE&mode=related&search=
kinda looks like the movie primer eh gk?
look at this vid check out frame 2min 39 sec and note the date lol!! also notice the sine wave at the bottom of the screen
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mSBEYs0rjac&mode=related&search=
Quote from: acerzw on September 09, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
GK,
where are those two pictures you posted from?
I like the tesla one, which tesla patent is it from?
Acerzw
In the video Patent 382282, 390721
I wired the GK4 off these and Otto confirmed the jumpering in his pix for 3 layers.
--giantkiller.
Ordered Jameco#:20685 quantity: 3
xr2206 function generator kit. Will tier the 3 and shove in a radio shack box.
https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=20685&productId=20685 (https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=20685&productId=20685)
This will accellerate the 3 freq test. Granted the max freq is 100khz. How many times has the freq range have to be announced in the TPU subject matter?. It is an audio component.
I have the push-pull FET board all ready done from the ECD tests. Plugh -n- play. Can install the incoming audio op amp before it and achieve Class A spec.
--giantkiller.
GK the sig gens is a very good starting point and should do something at least even if unstable.
BTW where did you get that very nice graphic program from?
Quote from: bolt on September 10, 2007, 10:59:58 AM
GK the sig gens is a very good starting point and should do something at least even if unstable.
BTW where did you get that very nice graphic program from?
http://www.stmuc.com/moray/
http://www.povray.org/
This graphic paradygm is based on using primitives to cut other primitives. Been in this program for 10 years and involved in computer graphics and Autocad for 25 yrs.
In other programs the odd shapes are gained thru nodes and face movement. This can be tough.
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Unstability is ok for now. Sine waves are great under 40khz. I see the difference between square and sine in this application.
I have 3 steps. The XR2206 gennys, the Micropic to a DAC, and the minimal coil config. I realized the square kicks I felt in January would be a better output if they were sine. The sharp corners represent very high speed and that means lost power radiating away. The sine would be one freq with no losses. 5khz = 5khz. ;)
--giantkiller.
i have herd as well that when electricty is transmitted through resosance there is 0 loss
so to achive over unity as i understand we are to minimize our losses to the least posible amount or compensate some where elese with overunity operation that somewhere else would have to be 100% plus the place where it was lost to merly meet unity
ist
im gonna build another ring somthing just hit me :)
Povray is great, love that program.
Acerzw
Quote from: acerzw on September 10, 2007, 04:34:09 PM
Povray is great, love that program.
Acerzw
Yep. Real dreamscape.
That with Visio and you're invincible.
--giantkiller.
no its not necessary to have 100% efficiency to get over unity. In almost all cases of over unity it simply means you are tapping into to another energy source that is different to what you put in. eg a heat pump is well over unity. You might pay for 1kw of electric going in but then you extract 6kw of heat from your back yard but the efficiency of the electric pump and control circuit of your 1kw going in might only be 50%. Thus i get 3kw heating my house. However you only paid for 1kw so your getting 2kw more for free.
GK whats the status on the sig gen are the parts on order or have you got some bits in to play with?
i really hope the tpu finishes its term verry soon the reason being a much bigger puzzel is emerging and we are being left in the cold
2012 look into it hummmmm.......... it all fits and it aint what we think!!!
isteam!!
Quote from: bolt on September 10, 2007, 07:08:20 PM
no its not necessary to have 100% efficiency to get over unity. In almost all cases of over unity it simply means you are tapping into to another energy source that is different to what you put in. eg a heat pump is well over unity. You might pay for 1kw of electric going in but then you extract 6kw of heat from your back yard but the efficiency of the electric pump and control circuit of your 1kw going in might only be 50%. Thus i get 3kw heating my house. However you only paid for 1kw so your getting 2kw more for free.
GK whats the status on the sig gen are the parts on order or have you got some bits in to play with?
UPS picked up from xr2206s from Jameco today.
The arrival sequence is thus: the micro pic18F8720 platform, the ad826 amps, the xr2206 function gens kits. All shipped. As I wait I learn pic platform. Have parts all layed out for ad826 amp circuit. When xr2206 kits arrive I drop everything and build kits. Will take off work if weekday. The immense power that blew up ottos lab was a 2 coordinated square wave ecd. I know this circuit works. I had jumped on the square wave side and have a total platform setup for that. I neglected the sine wave side. Now I catch up. Then we play.
Sorry for the delay here.
--giantkiller.
I'm very interested in Ottos mishap where can i read more about this? Can you point me to the right spot in the forum i searched but cant find it.
I been thinking more about this TPU theory and i have something else to think about. The large TPU bangs out about 800 volts. So im thinking this is = to one revolution of the virtual magnet cuts across 800 windings of the output coil is roughly = 800 volts by 800 turns = 1 volt per winding.
We know the frequncy hash on the DC is about 5000 Hz. So 5000 / 800 turns = 6.25 so there is some rounding off here. How about really the rotation is fixed and is the constant i was looking for the other day as it exist in all TPU's no matter what size. Now we have the 7.3 Hz our magical earth resonance * 800 turns = 5840 Hz :) This is the same as a generator of a crank speed of 438 RPM. To get power out at this low speed means really heavy primary windings.
OK so far i think this looks good so why not make the output something more useful like 110 volts? So the large tpu is said to do about 1 amp maybe a little more but 1 is good. 800 volts * 1 amp = 800 watts. or the current flowing through the primary collector coil is 800 amps at 1 volt! Crikey the collector coil in the large tpu must be the size of car battery jump cables. Not quite though. I can see a trade off here with coupling and loading but the collector coils im sure consist of a few turns at least lets say 10 turn for the primary. In that case i think the current is reduced by a factor of 10 also so the primary collector now has to handle 80 amps at 0.1 volts per winding which should add up to 1 volt at 800 amps but now dissipated through out the primary collector coil.
So at 110 volts needs 110 turns on output coil watts 800/110 = 7.27 amps which is going to make that 800 turns of thin stuff pretty hot so there is an advantage to run the TPU with higher output voltages to overcome internal resistances of the windings when fully loaded.
The small tpu is said to be 100 watts at around 100 volts = 1 amp. If the wire ratio is true then the primary is supporting 100 amps at 1 volt over 10 tens. Or 10 amps per turn. The vid shots show this cable looks like 14 strand hook up wire so 10 amps seems ok to me.
Anyway im sure someone who knows the math properly can work all this out but more of the jigsaw when we can work out wire thickness and expected power handling between stages.
Quote from: bolt on September 11, 2007, 01:12:18 PM
I'm very interested in Ottos mishap where can i read more about this? Can you point me to the right spot in the forum i searched but cant find it.
I been thinking more about this TPU theory and i have something else to think about. The large TPU bangs out about 800 volts. So im thinking this is = to one revolution of the virtual magnet cuts across 800 windings of the output coil is roughly = 800 volts by 800 turns = 1 volt per winding.
We know the frequncy hash on the DC is about 5000 Hz. So 5000 / 800 turns = 6.25 so there is some rounding off here. How about really the rotation is fixed and is the constant i was looking for the other day as it exist in all TPU's no matter what size. Now we have the 7.3 Hz our magical earth resonance * 800 turns = 5840 Hz :) This is the same as a generator of a crank speed of 438 RPM. To get power out at this low speed means really heavy primary windings.
OK so far i think this looks good so why not make the output something more useful like 110 volts? So the large tpu is said to do about 1 amp maybe a little more but 1 is good. 800 volts * 1 amp = 800 watts. or the current flowing through the primary collector coil is 800 amps at 1 volt! Crikey the collector coil in the large tpu must be the size of car battery jump cables. Not quite though. I can see a trade off here with coupling and loading but the collector coils im sure consist of a few turns at least lets say 10 turn for the primary. In that case i think the current is reduced by a factor of 10 also so the primary collector now has to handle 80 amps at 0.1 volts per winding which should add up to 1 volt at 800 amps but now dissipated through out the primary collector coil.
So at 110 volts needs 110 turns on output coil watts 800/110 = 7.27 amps which is going to make that 800 turns of thin stuff pretty hot so there is an advantage to run the TPU with higher output voltages to overcome internal resistances of the windings when fully loaded.
The small tpu is said to be 100 watts at around 100 volts = 1 amp. If the wire ratio is true then the primary is supporting 100 amps at 1 volt over 10 tens. Or 10 amps per turn. The vid shots show this cable looks like 14 strand hook up wire so 10 amps seems ok to me.
Anyway im sure someone who knows the math properly can work all this out but more of the jigsaw when we can work out wire thickness and expected power handling between stages.
Otto blew up an Oscope and other equipment. Ronotte went up to seem him with a replacement scope. I can't remember the date
@Bolt,
that's just my nightmare as From ECD I do obtain easily more then 800VDC (actually my windings are sparking between layers...)..but no more than 70W from a 230V lamp either in the Mobius DC pulsed way (between Phase & Zero points) or from a full floating secondary winding after rectification (Shotky bridge) and Capacitor levelling.
I tried in every way to change the 'copper' on coils but......as long as you put more turns.....you are going to have no 90 degrees coupling but rather only capacitance coupling!!.
Roberto
:)
forget about the 90 degree effect in the TPU its doesn't apply. Its true however that if you have 800 turns and you drive it with 12 volts square waves you will see 2000 or 3000 volts easily.
When Steven Mark says you need to be something of an RF and audio engineer you wont believe just how right he is. I just added another 5% to knowledge base tonight including the precise mechanism for the magnet. His recon on Tesla experiments is just spot on too. Read SM notes again do your homework im up to 90% on the theory side of this now.
bolt,
it would be good if you could post a summary document of your conclusions so far, you seem to be doing great on the theory side, it's difficult to collate it all from the posts what with the additional noise. :(
Acerzw
I rather not just lay down my cards on the table but im happy to discuss whatever someone is suspecting is happening then i will give my reasons as to why it might or might not work. This way produces a healthy debate rather then just taking it without the effort. I still have about 5% that i don't know yet on the power conversion but im satisfied on the production of precursor and collection of this energy.
Apparently around 2012 the earth magnetism will reach zero point. Mmmm interesting maybe the TPU wont work that year so better hurry.
@bolt then i can spark many of thoughts on how it all works and i have no idea weather they are right or wrong but i have lots of thoughts
i think the first place to start is the pancake coil collector of lamp wire teslas bifullar pancake
i would think it is the pancake coil because how elese would sm fit lamp wire in his tpu easly and i have focused on 3 of them in the past but it could be in fact 4 pancakes 2 put togather in the center as the main collector and the other 2 collectors supply each others controls i personly do not think the controls on the center colector are hooked to the other controls they make there copuliping through resonance to the center collector/controls
i think if a few of thease problems are solved we will end up with the right coil easly!!
ist
well i found some boster cable wire i think it should fit the purpous i also have some heave gage car audio power wire i also have a ring wound like rebertos first or second coil wound with heavy gage speeker wire and lighter gage speeker wire controls
however im going to get some solid strand ground wire thick stuff and see what that is all about
The TPU is an antenna but its a dipole in simplicity but a loop antenna electrically and practically. In addition an open dipole like one connected to your FM radio is a mainly voltage collector but a loop is mainly current collecting. So if our loop is current collecting it stands to reason that we need thick wire as we are going to be collecting current......tons of it but with little voltage. Of course you cant have power without voltage AND current and voltage potential on it own is not power. You have seen this yourself when you put your load on to 3000 volts very little happens it may glow a tad because there is very little current. I explained earlier that the current on the collector is huge but there is little voltage.
For practical construction the resistance of the wire for the collector limits the power of the device within a given space. This is pretty standard transformer logistics as you can pretty much tell by looking a fist size toroidal will be about 100 watts. So our collector coils are thick wire 14 strand hook up wire and the control coils are 20 SWG or similar. Its also clear there are 2 ways to make a tpu. The smaller coils had control wires around the collector. By evolution of design SM could see that this what not very efficient yet easiest to construct. The main reason is impedance matching of the precursor signals without creating phase distortion. As the size of the loop coil increases the phase will drift even between the quadrants of the coil due to the massive current involved and the resistance of the wire. This is why the design had to change.
Mannix why have you suspended the other thread? I cant believe you did that just because i said SM sold out for a nice sum. Do you think he did it for love? Of course not. If i decided not to go public with a design then sell it then it becomes someone elses problem to iron out the bugs and make it commercial in addition to facing the music good AND bad. The reasons why it hasn't been done is not the issue. It might range to MIB keeping the lid on to something far bigger developed off the back of the technology but one thing that makes no sense whatsoever is to part with the TPU under an agreement which we know exists for NO MONEY. Are you saying a world changing invention was parted with on a cash free promise?
My deductions on the TPU is by following some of the posts and reading SM notes and watching the videos. The conclusions i came too tick all the boxes on how the TPU might work. As an inventor i thought you were a smart cookie and way up with what facts you know and deduce those you don't know to fill in the blanks. But what you stating ticks no boxes! Can i prove it? No but SM is a very smart guy and 10 years ago cash didn't look like a problem to me unless this deal left him broke. If so what the heck went wrong?
In the 1996 videos it looks like demonstrations way before the handover. In the environment we see Italian marble floors through the whole main floor, Louie XV furniture, 8 foot steel fence surrounding property, motorized driveway gate, shirt and tie. Smells like pre-existing money to me...
Lets not break out the trebuchets just yet and focus on the important matters other than any noise.
--giantkiller. The goal is not to win, but to keep the noise from becoming real.
What does it matter if SM sold the device or not?
Doesn't make a bit of difference.
Update to my dual frequency TPU heterodyning.
I will use a self written PC interface to connect serially to the microchip controller. The controller connects to a DAC mini board and that connects to the Jameco xr2206 sine wave generator which then connects to the TPU.
The interface will allow a beat frequency to be set and from that a dual slider to set an upper and lower distance from the center frequency.
By setting a window of frequency spread I can then use the beat frequency slider to run the whole operation through a manual sweep operation.
This is all 12bit control. I should have complete control to analyze the balancing of the windings, coil mass, input frequencies, resonancy all matched up against the earthly interface.
And through this process see exactly what frequency and coil modifications need to be made because we can't change the Earth. But we surely can change the planet and only if we work together!
--giantkiller. Tada!
Well according to Mannix it does because he has closed a thread over my ONE sentence. As much as the aim is to keep politics out of this thread he decided to create a decisive blow to a simple comment. Therefore politics means a lot to mannix and is not practicing what he has preached. I know that he is the one for conveying very useful information from SM to build upon but to be honest I find this quite shocking.
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.
Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.
Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters?
Over the top is true but I at least want to see where I am at when things take off. Could be the last thing I see... :o
--giantkiller.
The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day. However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL
Don't forget your ferrite cores for each coil injection and you need magnets!
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.
Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.
How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies? He migh have had a lab full of equipment. (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)
Earth waves? 7.5HZ? Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies? SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".
Ferrite cores? SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day. However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL
Free running oscillator? You got it all figured out now?
Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!
@grumpy
dont you think at 7.5hz you are slightly tuned off of the 7.8hz to be safe low freq is totaly the way. we all see sm hold and carelessly fling it around when operating in his vidieos the feroite kinda of threw me but then agin sauron posted a pic a wile ago using feroite cores from transformers taken out of computer moitors and heavey gage bare copper ground wire maybe 4 gage or 6 gage
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Quote from: Grumpy on September 12, 2007, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.
Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.
How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies? He migh have had a lab full of equipment. (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)
If you want to run off the earths mag field then it helps to tune to it. Not stupid is it really?
Earth waves? 7.5HZ? Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies? SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".
Thats true you tune off when you found it but you have to find it first. The only reason for tuning off is too prevent overload.
Ferrite cores? SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.
where does he say that? What do you think they are on top of the TPU control box? Ginger nuts or twinkies?
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day. However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL
Free running oscillator? You got it all figured out now?
Pretty much yes
Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!
Very much uncalled for i guess your still playing with spark gaps and this thread is getting too complicated for you now.
I thought he used two frequencies that were about 7.8 Hz apart and then a third that was 7.8 HZ above the second one.
For example:
100 khz, 107.8 khz, 115.6 khz
Slightly off:
100 khz, 110 khz, 120 khz
What ever happened to Sauron?
@Bolt
If you knew anything about spark gaps, you'd be using one.
A toroid in the center of the TPU is not a TPU Core - dumb ass! Besides, they could be plastic cores for all you know.
Got it all figured out?
Build it and prove it!
I would love to build it but don't have the resources to do it. So in the meantime GK is the only one getting very very close because he has determination and the resources to do it. Most importantly i have refocused this thread that went off on a 12 month detour using square waves and spikes. Thats not how its done at all. However i have extremely valid reasons to believe thats ferrite or aluminum core (latter possible but unlikely) on top of the large control unit. Look i don't want to argue about it just a waste of time. You been here for a year posted over 600 messages and learn very little.
I been here for just 2 weeks now and unraveled 90% of the theory. I can tell you this. Every sub component of the TPU is using methods that have already been done before and its a mixture of pure audio, RF and classic circuity. As SM says no mass circuitry. Its only the overall makeup of the device that makes it work in this fashion. I am not surprised SM had to basically come on this forum and vent his frustration. What i propose will create an EM cloud. it will also produce intense EM bright spot under certain conditions. When balanced there should be no radiation outside of the coils and we can control the aperture. Anyone serious in lab conditions getting close or already done this will know exactly what im talking about.I have an explanation for the slow start and decay and know exactly how the magnets work. Do i have a full circuit? no of course not but i have a solid foundation.
bolt watch out, Grumpy lives up to his nameÃ, LOLÃ, Ã, :D
Seriously though,Ã, I like to hear people theorize, but in the end we do need to build and test the theories.
Here's how I've wondered the TPU landscape:
1)Ã, TPU is an antenna for RFÃ, energy (TV towner, radio, marine becons, grid, etc..)
2)Ã, TPU is a magnetic loop antena for low frequency Schumann waves
3)Ã, TPU is taping the magnetic spin of atoms, through the use of NMRÃ, (nuclear magnetic resonance) Larmor frequency
4)Ã, TPU uses audio resonance
5)Ã, TPU is an ingenious ENERGY multiplier through the use of resonance and standing waves, like a TESLA coil.
6)Ã, TPU uses 3 phase (or 2 phase) coils and functions like an AC motor, creating a rotational field
7)Ã, TPU is FAKEÃ, Ã, LOLÃ, Ã, :D
8 )Ã, TPU is perhaps a magnetic antenna, perhaps using all of the above (minus the FAKE)
A number of concepts have been proposed and lots of theory expounded, but in the end we need to build and experiment.
EM
P.S.Ã, By the way GK,Ã, I appreciate your tenacity, sticking with this project and experimenting away.Ã, I enjoy your videos on youtube,Ã, I don't pop in here that much but I do watch,Ã, keep up the good work man !!!
@bolt
can you lay out your simplest design for your versoin of the coil and i will put one togather and im sure others will too then that will take most of the guess work out of it and we all can finish the 5% or 10% that is left publicly
save some time and confusion here it has been a long road so far for most
just a thought since you can not build it at this time
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you never know i may just finish my machine b4 the tpu even comes compleatly public
I remember reading a quote in the S.M. documentation-- "you have to disable the effects of the flux"
That statement sticks with me, something like a room temperature superconductor, but with off
the shelf materials. I know of three different people who describes a similiar thing, Tom Beardon
describes it as containing all flux inside of a material you no longer have the normal B field
(curved) but a differrent one which extends straight out, Erfinder called it the void, Ring theory had
something similiar.
If it is the earths field being utilized in the tpu, then how do we disable the flux? my guess is a
helmholtz, which is used for the purpose of just that, disabling the earths flux inside the helmholtz
coil. what exactly is flux anyway? many questions the pure logical mind can,t answer
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 08:21:51 PM
I would love to build it but don't have the resources to do it. So in the meantime GK is the only one getting very very close because he has determination and the resources to do it. Most importantly i have refocused this thread that went off on a 12 month detour using square waves and spikes. Thats not how its done at all. However i have extremely valid reasons to believe thats ferrite or aluminum core (latter possible but unlikely) on top of the large control unit. Look i don't want to argue about it just a waste of time. You been here for a year posted over 600 messages and learn very little.
Sine waves = no OU = no RE
If you read back a few pages, you wi ll see that GK is making RE - with square waves.
If you read Bob Boyce's post - he uses square waves in his rings.
If you read Dave Lowrances "Overunity in Copper" essay - he used square waves.
If you read the latter works of Nikola Tesla - he used pulses - undirectional - and produced RE at each make and break of the circuit (like a damn square wave).
Aluminum is an AG material but you mention nothing of this. Could be bismuth or titanium in the TPU for all you know.
You talk of your "cards" and "valid reasons" but give nothing to support them.
You have all the answers to the wrong questions.
600 posts - what do you know of what I have learned? I have learned to keep my damn mouth shut. I have learned to share knowledge wisely. I have learned to keep friends close and enemies closer. I have learned that humans don;t know squat about the universe as a whole - we are barely out of the primordial muck.
I have learned that silicon based materials are "bandwidth limited".
What have you learned?
Quote from: bolt on September 12, 2007, 08:21:51 PM
I been here for just 2 weeks now and unraveled 90% of the theory. I can tell you this. Every sub component of the TPU is using methods that have already been done before and its a mixture of pure audio, RF and classic circuity. As SM says no mass circuitry. Its only the overall makeup of the device that makes it work in this fashion. I am not surprised SM had to basically come on this forum and vent his frustration. What i propose will create an EM cloud. it will also produce intense EM bright spot under certain conditions. When balanced there should be no radiation outside of the coils and we can control the aperture. Anyone serious in lab conditions getting close or already done this will know exactly what im talking about.I have an explanation for the slow start and decay and know exactly how the magnets work. Do i have a full circuit? no of course not but i have a solid foundation.
An EM cloud? In case you have n ot noticed, the "M" in EM is an issue. You need ES (or ED), not EM.
Stephan Marinov created a table-top pulsar - and died for it. You probably never heard of him.
Tesla used a magnet to reduce frequencies to an audible range. You probably never heard of that either.
Soild foundation - then build it or ask someone else to.
I see some stomping noise developed here instead,
Let me explain that the old thread is very long and confusing. I do want any more misinformation .however well intended.When the new , non listeners start giving advice,and show little respect for the person or the value of the information provided..perhaps some will understand.perhaps not.
its one thread that surely gets a good look sometimes.
Moving foward
I'm pretty sure that this has not been covered before but in search of passive variable phase for my passive version like our friend from Macedonia ...this is what i found.
http://www.allenavionics.com/Info_Srv/SpecifyingDelayLinesPage2.htm
At the same time I am gonna get out the ugly stick and put my butt on the choppin block.
There are 8k+ people politely watching.
Only a few of us speak out.
A few of us throw stuff in.
And please call me on this if I am wrong.
First to mention:
square waves, sparkgaps, counter rotating mag fields, Speaker and microphones(marco posted videos and made no mention), huge anomolies in the sky, dangerous personal anomolies, construction of the SM17, GK4 construction, followed Ottos GK4 configuration, Stun guns (not addressable in public forum for national security sake(thats right, don't ask)I did the tests), mentioned 30 foot loop of ezflow off a tesla coil( was told to stop), ... blah, blah, blah. I got history. Why? Not fame nor fortune. I just tried what came in posts, patents, to mind, from other people, from things laying around.
I wish anybody here could have seen my condition when I hooked all of Telsa's patent pictures together at the Very large Array after I watched the movie Contact when they put their diagrams together into a cube. My rubber panties weren't big enough. Everybody seems to struggle with the simplest of instructions and I can't get enuff. Leaps of light years.
I got 3 square pulse coils and 2 sine wave coils. You want big stuff then fire them square waves. Hey, they work. I done it. Big deal. Others haven't. No big deal.
Nothing has covered sine waves or audio. Except... In all of Marcos amazing reveletory videos he plays thumping music in the background. Did any body get this? He has never posted anything that was wrong. And what he did post was far beyond the current theme of the post. Hello?
The sine wave side has not been tried. So here I am. Been down the other road of 'Blow shit up'. Heck, I even micro blowd myself up. Why light a light bulb when you can light yourself... Mind if I smoke?
I could go on. No, really....
So you all run around clanging your symbols. To the victor goes the spoils. There is no harm in trying. There is no turf to protect . I just want another coil. And this will benefit me with a high tech control, pc based interface for driving the TPU in and out of whatever I find. And I share too. No? Do you realize how much money that is worth, alone?
--giantkiller. Not to offend, only to amend.
p.s. Don't make me throw the yellow foul flag.
In the video (http://www.bisque.com/ (http://www.bisque.com/)) I saw in Olin auditorium at Denver University tonight I learned of the spokes in Saturn's rings. The clip that I saw showed these happening above lightning strikes. Looks to me like Radiant Energy. The astronomers don't know what the spokes are. And they look to start from the first inner rings not just the B.
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/saturnrings.htm (http://www.solarviews.com/eng/saturnrings.htm)
25 years ago I wrote the rs232 serial driver that drives the web based robotic scopes.
--giantkiller. 8)
needles to say, i have done the transformer experiment and i did use two sine waves, which when mixed produced needle bemf spikes which were later confirmed to be the output we should see comming from a working TPU but in the size and quantity to give a greater voltage.
a bemf will rize to ANY voltage to find itself a discharge path..
This energy can be recycled but what do we smart EE's do? we destroy it with a diode so it adds to the losses ::)
that in my opinion is defenatly NOT the way to go.
so if sines turn into square when mixed or bucked toghether when half rectified and running in opposing directions, my guess would be yes, it is possible with sines too :)
M.
Sine sources allow the interaction to be tracked.
Square ...you wont know what part of your drive is interacting in the coil, or what part of the noisy switching device is producing what.
I bet nobody can produce a near perfect square wave.
I bet somebody can make a near perfect sine wave...nature is at play here ...it is natural phenomenon not a ^%&^%computer!
'Harmonic Perfection" can you do that with square?
I am assuming that people know exactly what a square wave is
With 3 frequencies we most certainly would not want odd harmonics or anything that would produce them...unless we were not interested in tuning into anything except to make a lot of noise.
Ive said this before , sorry GK
I have been looking at sites with reference to schumann earth frequencies, it seems like there are several of them, I was wondering if it might be an option to tap one of the others instead, maybe one of the less powerful ones, then possibly full conversion could be reached without a melt down, less power might be a good thing if the TPU cannot handle a full conversion event.
Acerzw
There are lots of noise and harmonics down in the low Hz range but only the 7.3 mag wave has enough energy to make this work. However you must first tap into this signal. How do you think that a tiny coil about 100,000 smaller than the wave length can collect enough of this signal to make use of it?
What say.....Watson. A number of clues seem to have led under the streetlamp. While there may be more light under the lamp, it may actually further disguise the mystery and lead away from the goal. Strange indeed!
SH
3.99 Meters = 13.090551181102361 Feet
hummm
and this puts us in the ball park of the earths feild?
is
so this is our collector length of wire and we need 3 of them i have seen varous ways to wind collectors the folded in half way the pancake way the open ended pancake way if it was open ended then we stop the pluse b4 the end of the wire and this will make the standing wave? if it is like that then it is like our conrtols that are spining are cutting the standing wave or taping into it ;) breaking the flux lines that are cancled ha!!!
well top coil is spinning 1 dirrection bottom the opsite center is following both!! via magnetic induction no? the pluses that go into the top are 180 deg of the ones that go in the bottom? and that will cancel out each other in the standing wave producing it at 90 deg
well enough is enough
square waves = teslas death ray
sine = sm tpu
make sence?
When you enter the world of "harmonics", the resultant wave is no longer a sine wave and I agree that sine waves can produce the desired effects. A single sine wave can not produce these effects. If anyone has proof that contradicts this, I'd love to see it. Just because you put a sine wave in to something does not mean you get a sine wave out.
On a related note, transformers will not pass a square wave since it is not constantly changing. I'm sure the "magnetic vector potential" plays an important part in this. You put a square in and you get a pulse out - who would have thought?
Odd harmonics, which, by the way, are positive going in the spectrum domain, are combined to produce square waves. The neat thing here is that by adding the odd harmonics, the rise/fall time of the resultant waveform is much faster than the individuals. So, if you are looking for a fast transition, it's almost like getting something for nothing. In theory, the odd harmonics all the way to infinity are in a square wave - this would include frequencies in the IR, UV, and all the way up to cosmic rays - neutrinos anyone?
Throw even harmonics in the mix and you get sawtooth waves.
Now, I rememebr something about one of these types of waves (square or saw) not have a DC element, think it was the square and something about the missing harmonics - I might be totally wrong. I'll look that up when I get home to the ol' book on pulses that I have from the tube days.
Pese recently declared that FE/OU can not be achieved with SS devices. First you have the tiny little reverse when the SS device switches, then you have bandwidth considerations to contend with. It is interesting to note that the compounds that make-up SS devices have bandwidth limits for electrical transmission. Even wires and cables have bandwidth limits. Hell, even various types of glass have bandwidth limits. Quartz, for example, is an excellent transmitter of UV. Makes for great lenses in the UV range. When I worked in the satellite field years ago, we performed sweeps on patch cables and a perfectly good patch cable would be rejected if it's losses were too great in our desired frequency range. Really good cables (i.e. very linear in desired freq range) would get a special place next to the sweep generator.
Interesting to note that RE can be created with SS devices in a round-about sort of way - as GK has indicated with his experiments in this thread. However, I don't recall seeing any SS devices in SM's rings - only coils and capacitors (and fuses) - wich leads me to think that the effects are easy to create when one knows how.
Well said Mannix,Ã, all should try for the pure sine waves to create resonance.Ã, Square waves are useful however, and should help us see the ringing (right after the sharp transitions), measure it and find it's frequency, then switch to pure sinewave and ring that puppy.Ã, :)
EM
grumpy when you say your last few sentances you make me think of my magnet gk4 ring spark gap
so what if i put the magnet aginst the steel ring and discharge it through a spark gap into the controls hehehehe!
it is doing the same thing but im not zaping the magnet anymore cuze the iron is the magnet hummmmm.......
is
nice link grumpy but when i had my cap and my diode to the mag spark gap it in a bout 8 seconds it put the cap up over 200v i then discharged it to the bulb and it lit it if this ran 3 of thesae units constantly filling the cap we could run a blub no problem i know this but is it the same as the tpu hummm i dont think so
for the "spark gap enthusiast":
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SparkGapExp/SparkGapExp.htm
forget square triangle and spiky waves i been saying this for 2 weeks now they have no place in this circuit. Do you know how to make a third frequency from 2 frequencies? I let you think about this for a second. Think about a pocket AM radio. Does it use square waves any where?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 13, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
When you enter the world of "harmonics", the resultant wave is no longer a sine wave and I agree that sine waves can produce the desired effects. A single sine wave can not produce these effects. If anyone has proof that contradicts this, I'd love to see it. Just because you put a sine wave in to something does not mean you get a sine wave out.
i do not know what everybody is thinking about the Schumann resonance's being sine waves....
they are generated random by lightning, so personally i believe it would come closesd to random magnetic noise..
from my experiments, i also believe it is actually constantly expanding and being compressed between two frequency's in close range.
i have driven motors with one 7,8 hertz sine wave only, and the strange part is that they keep rotating at this specific frequency, while these are 3 phase motors.
it only keeps rotating at this frequency, if i adjust the dial a tiny bit it will stop.
it's a verry sharp tunning point and it takes about ten minutes to get it going.
when it is rotating i can switch it to pulsed DC and the motor starts to make a variable noise exactly like the sound we hear in the vid when Steven start's up the smallest device.
it just comes and goes.
pherhaps the motor resonates with the magnetic wave similair as the magnets did in my previous experiments, it certaily looks and sounds like it.
i am building a driver circuit to see if i can do "magnetic hetrodyning" similair to what happens in a radio, but in a radio it happens electrically, and i want to see if it can be done magnetically.
so that would make it some sort of magnetic reciever, rather then to electrical fields only.
there are certain clues Steven gave us from which we can make some exclusions regarding operating priciple, but we didn't discuss them yet.
Marco.
Marco your very close and if you want to know why this happens especially at 7.5Hz then take a look at tesla work and how phases interact. You see from the observers point we currently see the earth mag wave as very weak and is only enough to slowly pull a compass round and thats because when you have take a measurement you can only see the difference of a signal and not the real sides which are immense. Your motor setup was crude but non the less the interaction with this energy is enough to keep is running at that spot frequency when the phase is correct yet your not even attempting to harness this energy in a way the tpu is working.
in 1916 Tesla indeed spoke about a true electro-acoustic audio transducer that was part of a wireless receiver.
.
Quote. . Whenever I received the effects of a transmitter, one of the most convenient and simplest ways [to detect them] was to apply a magnetic field to currents generated in a conductor, and when I did so, the low frequency gave audible notes.
One of the simplest devices I used in my experiments between my laboratory on South Fifth Avenue and [at] the Gerlach Hotel, and other places in and outside the city, was an instrument constructed in 1896 with a magnet which sometimes was so designed as to give me a very intense magnetic field up to 20,000 lines per square centimeter. In this [field] I placed a conductor, a wire or a coil, and then I would get a note which I amplified and intensified in many ways. From the characteristics of the audible note, I would immediately judge the quality of my apparatus.
When I speak of an audible note, I mean a note audible in a telephone as produced by the diaphragm of a telephone, or by a vibrating wire within the range of audibility. . . . I usually would transform the current in the receiving circuit and make as close a connection as possible and then tune the circuit to the vibrations. I would also mechanically tune the wire, according to the frequency, to the same note or to a fundamental. . . . You could hear it all over the place. . . . I could hear it from a distance. The vibrations were very vigorous. . . .
[Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents]
Think about how much is on tap when you create a disturbance to the near equilibrium that currently exist because we are actually getting close to about a 40,000 year cycle and reaching 0 point on the earth wave. Does zero point of your AC mains there is no power? No its a measurement effect because thats only what you see at that point in time. If you disturb the flux by offsetting the component that provides equilibrium then you can then measure and use the power.
well it works verry similair to a simple combustion engine.
and i am refering to the ignition like we had in the "mechanical" days.
these days we have electronic ignition with a sensor and a small magnet placed on the flywheel, but in the early days we had a "contact point" on a plate which we could adjust by loosening screws and rotating the plate to set the spark on time.
with this mechanism it was possible to set the parameters of maximum acceleration and or top speed of the engine, it was a timing thing.
the stepping motor acts in a similair way, meaning i have to fire a pulse exactly at the top of when it's position is at maximum magnetic compression.
if the timing is right and the pulse is strong enough it will accelerate to a point where it "hit's itself on the tail" so to speak and i can imagine this is what causes the vibration.
if i do this at 7.8 Hertz the motor keeps rotating like if the magnetic wave fills up the other "holes" or "phases"
i have seen it in various motors so it is not related to a certain model.
also some of the old floppy drives used a phased system with hall sensors and a crystal clock running at 650Khz.
these were also 3 wires and wrapped in multiple segments so it is possible to create a rotating magnetic field with more then one moving pole at the same time, and these were also wrapped in a way the "north" flux was always rotating at the outside of the coils and the "south" flux was being kept inside.
Marco.
Thats right so now think about the tpu. We want to capture this 7,8 Hz wave and we know its strong under the right circimstances and is much stronger then what you can normally see in a compass because despite our tpu coil or the motor winding being 100,000 times smaller than the earth wave the effects are very real. So you just said yourself you fed the motor with 7.8 Hz and you see the effect. Now then, how do we make 7.8 Hz in our tpu?? Because when you do this you will see the effect. :)
Whats happening i cant post? MIB at work hahaha.
I will open this up a bit because i been waiting for this interaction from someone rather than just putting the card on the table. We know we have a total of 3 frequencies. We have our first frequncy that we actually want. We want lots of this and we will get it. I also have 2 other sine wave frequencies. How do i get 7.8 Hz from two other sine wave frequencies. Lets see who it paying attention.? :)
hey bolt
a wile ago this was a thought im sure many had 3 6 9
now that = 3=x 6=7.5 9=x
so 3.75 7.5 11.25 ?
ist ;D
im gonna work it out agin i think it should be it the 4 hz
or it could be like this
3= x 6=x 9= 7.5
3 9 6 3=3.75 9=7.5 6= 3.285
no? the worst is it is wrong no big deal
nope look this is very easy basic radio stuff i will wait now till someone post the right answer. If you cant answer this then got NO hope of making a tpu.
a mixer - like has been mention at least 100 times....
Or
"entrainment" - bet you don't have that card...
;D
when i do finish my machine i will not choose such a mannor as this to release it to the public ;)
@bolt this is the wise way to do it we must understand it or we can not use it makes good sence!
isteam!!
another go at it
15hz first freq second freq 23.5hz = third freq 7.5
yes grumpy a mixer but regardless of 100 times before i bet 99 times was talking about square waves. So now we are mixing, what frequencies do i need to make 7.5 Hz and why can i not just squirt 7.5 straight in and have done with it? Show me a math example i want 7.5 hz what do i actually need for the 2 frequencies?.
Yes GK but dont worry about phase or direction at the mo your very close.
So if one has 2 freqs in the same direction heterdyning to 7.3hz then because of the phase diff in the original 2 freqs the 7.3hz would be spinning.
So we direct the 2 base freqs cw and the heterdyne would be ccw. Or vice versa.
Like a Moire' pattern. The heterodyne sums with the Earth's field.
As the sum collapses it crosses the coil pushing energy back into the coil. The Earth is now at a point where it and the coil are inductively coupled.
--giantkiller.
Abstract. Application of a steady magnetic field allows sum-frequency radiation generated via dipole-forbidden mixing of two-colour fields in an atomic medium to be emitted in the (otherwise forbidden) forward direction. As a result of resonance tuning at low-field strength (not exceeding 0.1 T) a fourth-order magnetic-dipole-induced amplitude for the sum-frequency process can be made comparable to the third-order field-free amplitude. We show that the interference between different terms of the field-dependent amplitude may cause the circular dichroism of the forward-scattering cross section for one of the two incident waves or the sum-frequency wave when the other two waves are linearly polarized. The dichroism effect is due to the dissipation processes determined by the resonant level width Γ and depends strongly both on Γ and the resonance detuning ÃŽâ€. The effect may be used to control the frequency conversion process or to make possible a frequency mixing laser spectroscopy of excited atomic levels.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1067539
http://dml.riken.jp/pub/nori/particles.html
How do you know that a rotating magnetic field does not entrain the earth's field (and it's frequency components)? You know - like the "focusing of power" that SM mentioned in his letter about the TV explosion.
SM stated very clearly in a message that:
Quote
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN
COLLECTOR.(Control coils) THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
and should anyone ahve further doubts about the necessity of a rotating magnetic field:
QuoteIt is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
Sine waves can create a rotating magnetic field. ;)
I'm glad you're pushing for this again bolt,Ã, we did discuss it however.
We can use a number of frequencies, for example
f1 = 10,007.3 Hz
f2 = 10,000.0 Hz
Mix them and you getÃ, a sum and difference (plus other harmonics but in practiceÃ, filters take those out including one of the images)
But if we assume no filter and no higher IP3 products we get:Ã, Ã,Â
f3 = 10007.3 - 10000 = 7.3Ã, ahaaaa,Ã, and
f4 10,007.3 + 10,000 = 20,007.3Ã, boooo
Then the 7.3 Hz created frequency will mix once again with the Earth's natural 7.3 Hz frequency and produce
f5 = 7.3 - 7.3 = 0Ã, DCÃ, (what we want)
f6 = 7.3+7.3 = 14.6Ã,Â
f7, f8, f9 , .... (more mixer products exist as well)
However,
SM talked about a rotating magnetic field that intersects the many vertical wiresÃ, He He HeÃ, Grumpy is right!! :)
So I doubt it's a heterodyning principle/antenna, but it could be, who knows.Ã,Â
EM
Mmm i never read that before not that it changes where i heading but that snippet is not in the master doc with all of SM's comments. If everything he ever said was pooled in one place it would expedite the entire process and prevent anyone new having to read through the entire forum. So the question is where is the most current up to date document of SM's comments?
Quote from: bolt on September 13, 2007, 02:45:12 PM
Show me a math example i want 7.5 hz what do i actually need for the 2 frequencies?.
this would depend on your point of view, regeneration or hythrodyne or superhytrodyne and there are several techniques more.
normally we have the "center frequency" or "beat frequency" which is being mixed with the two other waves ,the "carrier" wave and the "lf audio" wave.
then the signal is being rectified,hf filterd out, low pass filter, decoupling caps, and smoothed to give a close replication of the "audio" component which is being transmitted by the transmitter.
however in the regeneration process this is diffrent, here we see a wave from an local oscillator which constantly cycles the recieving device be it a tube or a transistor ,at a high speed above human perception audio frequency (supersonic,ultrasonic,when it is below it is infrasonic or subsonic),and this moves the sensetivity for example 35.000 times a second between maximum sensitivity and actual generation of a radio wave from the reciever,which is why these kind of recievers put out a lot of noise when they are at the point of generating,it becomes a transmitter.
this way we and up with a chopped to pieces, but very usable output wave to work with ,and these types are known to be the most sensitive of them all.
it is also possible to add a hf stage to decouple the actual generation of rf waves, but i do not think this relates to the TPU as i believe we want to see this disruptive interference.
i will write some more tomorrow.
Marco.
Oh I forgot to mention,
We need a NONLINEAR medium for mixing to happen, and bytheway, mixing means MULTIPLICATION not SUMMATION.
(as in: A1 cos(2pi f1 t) x A2 cos(2pi f2 t) = (A1 A2)/2 [ cos(2pi(f1-f2)t) + cos(2pi(f1+f2)t) ] )
How can we get a NONLINEAR medium?
How about a ferrite ring, is that nonlinear? Well, for small signals it's quite linear, but for large signals, it might not.
So if we DC bias the ferite core and move it close to saturation we can get it to be more nonlinear, and then we can use it as a mixer.
Is that what SM is doing? And remember he doesn't have to have an antenna to capture the schumann frequency, it's in the toroid, the toroid captures it, it is the antenna.
EM
EMdevices trust me this is 90% of how it works and if you don't know why we need 7.5 as an output you haven't done your homework on tesla stuff but its absolutely fascinating why this works.
I'm glad you're pushing for this again bolt, we did discuss it however.
We can use a number of frequencies, for example
f1 = 10,007.3 Hz
f2 = 10,000.0 Hz
Mix them and you get a sum and difference (plus other harmonics but in practice filters take those out including one of the images)
Excellent so you picked 2 frequencies at random yet you got the same result. This is what i was waiting for. Now then i can pick any 2 frequencies that are in the practical of the working range of the device and i still get 7.5 hz do you agree?
the example you just mentioned is the hetrodyne prinicple.
this occurs for example when two engines are running next to each other and one is running slightly faster, or when two close tones are hit on a piano, this will produce a "knocking" sound at the diffrence frequency between the two others.
the mentioned frequency's Steven talked about can be in a 7.x relationship to each other:
7,x times 5000 = 35000
7.x times 35000 = 245000
but if i look at it that way, i would choose the regeneration principle, not the hetro or superhetrodyne principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit)
M.
yes I agree with you bolt, it's a sound concept used in radios and it could be 90% of how it works.
It's just that we talked about it before and that's why Grumpy is mentioning it.Ã, I know there are so many posts to read through and I woudn't expect everybody to wade through it all.Ã, Inevitably things will be repeated, and that's ok.
At least now you know that we agree with youÃ, Ã, LOLÃ, :)
EM
P.S. good points about regeneration marco
it is also known that Lee De Forrest, the father of the audion triode, channeled with Tesla just before Tesla drove the car around and then De Forrest tried to patent the regenerative circuit but this was actually invented by Edwin Armstrong, resulted in a law suite which De Forrest won, but should not have won beacuse of Edwin was believed to be it's true inventor.
This makes the regenerative circuit even more suspicious when looking at the wooden box with tubes Tesla used.
He modified the tubes in his hotel room and somehow managed to tap what he called "the ethers surrounding us" and "unknown signals which we should be thankfull of their presence"
Marco
What's make the "deciphering of the TPU" so difficult is that ever possible means fo operation appears to be correct.
Let's get loose for a minute with the theoretical rhetoric:
Suppose you decided to make a "black hole" and pull in all of the ambiant energy around us.
We could start with a four-pole RMF arrangement, but you need something to give it that "depth", that "vortex" aspect. Marinov and Boyce both perform this task with a DC-power solenoid around the ring. Marinov used AC, Boyce uses square waves - sequentially.
How could this be done with a three RMF arrangement?
Ah, Hell - let's go all the way to the damn edge of reason and insanity...
Suppose you have three rotating magnetic fields/collectors stacked on top of each other.
Now suppose that you start tuning the first (top) RMF until you see an output in it's collector.
Then you tune the second and third to match.
Now you have a kick-ass RMF but still no proverbial "vortex", so you tune the second to go a little faster than the first and the third to go faster than the second - but still harmonically related - fast, faster, fastest - in phase - ta-da - bitchin' RMF vortex.
I expect you would find an interesting relationship between these frequencies - perhaps even a particular arrangement that would blow the damn thing straight to hell and you with it.
Ok Guys,Ã,Â
I used MatLab to simulate MIXING AND ADDING of two signals.Ã, (Ã, F1 = 10 Hz,Ã, Ã, and F2 = 12 Hz. )
1)Ã, Notice the Mixer produces the F2+F1= 22Hz and the F2-F1 = 2 Hz signals.
2)Ã, The Addition operation produces the familiar BEAT which can be seen.Ã, It is also 2 Hz, but look how much different the waveforms look!Ã,Â
So in the future when you look at an oscilloscope you'll be able to spotÃ, ADDITION and MIXINGÃ, operations. :)
EM
You get that exact mixing effect when a 60 Hz ac cord is near your probe - damn annoying.
Now, about that vortex....
I know Grumpy, LOL, it's so frustrating, I fight it all the time. I keep my oscilloscope on DC so I can spot a DC component that might show up and it often does, it's the damn 60 Hz waveform just starting to rise, and I can only see it if I set the time base very wide, but at the high frequencies I'm working at I can't tell.
So you like the Vortex concepts, yes, the good old vortex. I hope you realize that the frequency of rotation is dependent on:
1) Number of poles
2) Frequency.
I should also say that in this concept, the frequencies are IDENTICAL. That's how the 3-phase,2-phase systems work. I did those simulations in that other thread, which I'm sure you've seen.
So when S.M says turn on first frequency then the second, are they the same? Not sure. I belive he told us to use harmonics, and so going by his words alone, I can conclude:
1) The TPU does NOT use 3-phase or 2-phase setups. (good luck to Bob Boyce replication group, don't want to discourage anybody)
2) The TPU does NOT use heterodyning principle either (intentionaly but it always occurs)
Point #2 depends on how much SM knows about the device he created or whether he is truthful, but if you take him at his word there seems to be a contradiction between the video and the letters (video says tune to the earth magnetic field, letters say you create harmonic frequencies and mix, slam them ,whatever) Those are two separate concepts unless he eliminates the HARMONIC PART. Then I can say OK, two frequencies such that we can mix and reach the 7.3 Hz Schumann.
EM.
Alright so we are getting somewhere its a shame this part wasn't concentrated on more a year ago and could already have working tpu that just required taming and controlling which after we done this part is still at least 6 months work. Anyway moving on we now established we can use two frequencies. So now we have 3 coils in or TPU.
Coil one is our IF frequency and we don't really care what this is because we already established it can be anything. However its determined by the characteristics of the coil which lies in front of your eyes. Not mine or anyone else's. This is a free running oscillator but we build it stable and take all precautions on stability.Lets say this is happy running at 200.00 Kz. Its vital to keep the harmonic content low and the purity of the sine high. This is why valve oscillators make such a wonderful job at this but i would use a mos fet.
Coil number 2 is our BFO and this one is now 7.5 difference to our IF frequncy. The output is now our 7,5 Hz that we actually want. Now if we wind coil 2 exactly the same as coil one and stick the same cap on the end of the coil then they should come close anyway. However we will do everything to this BFO in order to control the phase and amplitude but this comes later this one runs at 207.5Kz The BFO is phase locked and clamped to our 7.5 loop but i come to this later.
Coil 3 is our 7.5 Hz loop antenna except its driven from the output of the above signals which have been mixed. The loop is fractional resonant to the wavelength we want but we drive it from the output of our mixer. How do we mix it and keep the impedance matching correct? We must use a balun transformer to mix as the loop is extremely low impedance and our signal loads are high impedance. So you see those 2 twinkies sat on the control box of the 800 volt tpu are mixing baluns on a ferrite core. There are two of them one for each frequency.
OK so far so good. So in the words of SM "switching on the first frequency (the IF) and now switching on the second frequncy (the BFO) what happens initially is the BFO is tracking in a range set by the PLL an it hasn't got a clue yet it unlocked. After a few seconds output of the mixers stumble on the mag wave lets say its 7.37684 Hz today. This produces a tiny kick in our feedback coil and now the PLL can see this frequency and instantly begins to lock the BFO to this kick. The magic trick is to keep the output 7.37684 at 90 degrees phase to the incoming kick and as we do this the output grows larger into the loop. Now we take this bigger kick and feed it back into the 7.5 loop keep the phase shifted at 90 degress and we keep doing this till we have full lock and a ton of power. Too much to write here how it works in great detail but lets say this by adding power to the collector our virtual antenna is no longer 6 inches wide in front of you it now 1000's of feet wide!! In fact it can get so big it will reach out and almost fully couple to the entire wave if given enough chance. We are now generating so much out of phase flux it like putting up huge great sails 1000's feet high and as the mag wave passes over longitudinally we scoop all this and drag into the centre of the TPU coil. It does more than scoop it leaves behind a gapping big hole :) This is an EM cloud and is don't matter if you are talking about light heat magnetic or radio waves you can do this with anything. If you do this with light you can make things completly disappear.
Now we got all this power sucked into the TPU like a vacuum cleaner but we cant make use of it yet without our magnet. The zero point of all this energy in now at the point of the mixer and our loop antenna. So we place a magnet right there at 45 degrees. But all we done is create an in balance in the global field which is now met in the loop till if we get too much the loop becomes saturated at first and starts getting hot or even explode. The magnet nearfield B field wave will distort the other half of the flux which has been time distorted and come rushing in to balance things out. However we can disturb this inrush by the magnet and bend it which creates an electron river to flow around the coil and its this electron flow which is no longer magnetic its been transposed to electrons or a high current. We will never convert all nor do we need too in fact very little is converted to an electrical current the rest is losses in heat and self correction of the inbalance yet in practical terms the power is limitless and depends on size and Q of the coils.
There bits to be worked out like feedback and coupling etc but look the workmanship of small TPU is not exactly military spec. Bundles of wire bits of tape and blobs of glue and it still worked. So all that is on the little PCB on the side of the tpu are two oscillators and one PLL chip thats it. Its start by a tiny battery of course but as soon as the tpu is running a power winding tap powers the controller and take over.
However to work out the feedback and control loops sig gens and class A amps will help a lot to see whats happening but the final build is much more simple. But as SM stated if your oscillators drift too much or the PLL cant lock you wont get the first kick and nothing will happen.
Now do as your told. Uncle SM said build the controller in the middle of the tpu. They wont work built to one side so you might as well go for the full monte and make the 800 volt tpu and build everything in the centre. Also becuase the coils are larger they will be more stable and the first pulse is MUCH more likely to be seen compared to the 4 inch tpu.
Look at all of the Schumann resonances and harmonics. Then consider that some harmonics may be higher than the fundamental - depending on what the hell is going on at the frequency. So, SM may be working off 7.8 Hz indirectly.
When did SM first start talking about harmonics? About a year ago SM provided this:
QuoteIt is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
He also provided this:
QuoteAfter rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already sent you enough information to duplicate my power units.
Read the attached pdf of SM's letters - courtesy of gn0sis.com:
@bolt
Quote....It does more than scoop it leaves behind a gapping big hole This is an EM cloud and is don't matter if you are talking about light heat magnetic or radio waves you can do this with anything.
So you are talking about the effective antenna aperture that gets widened when in resonance, that's your EM cloud. I see. Grumpy, GK and others call it a vortex :)
Did you see my previous post? SM said the frequencies were HARMONICS OF EACH OTHER. That's what I'm talking about, this heterodyning theory falls on that "clue" if it is a truthful clue.
Welcome to the TPU madness, what's what and what's not, sooner or later you'll go crazy like the rest of us and babble uncontrolably. LOL :)
EM
P.S. Grumpy I'm not sure that first paragraph you quoted is SM talking, I think it's Mannix, the clue is: "...
We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics ..." SM is not searching anylonger LOL :)
yes the regen is one hell of a smart design. But also you can see how easily that TV exploded in the story. It only needed to produce a powerful 7.5Hz transmitter and its self collecting with no limits!
harmonics in the vortex layer would maintain the alignement - that is poor terminology - they make the vortex field coherent
Didn't see anything in those letters about harmonics of 7.X Hz.
Whoa! What's this?
QuoteThe destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil.
harmonics mean different things to different people. There only has to be a mathematical relationship to be called a harmonic including subtraction and addition. SM also said the frequencies are related to the size of the coil. In my description thats also true. Dont forget these are only precursor signals i made 2 and i got 3 so the right boxes been ticked here.
I wont someone now to build the bloody thing so next week i can sort out my flux capacitor LOL
Quote from: EMdevices on September 13, 2007, 04:56:04 PM
I can conclude:
1) The TPU does NOT use 3-phase or 2-phase setups. (good luck to Bob Boyce replication group, don't want to discourage anybody)
2) The TPU does NOT use heterodyning principle either (intentionaly but it always occurs)
EM.
well EM i liked the "jet turbine" waveforms you posted a couple of days back MUCH more then the ones you are showing here.
if we study the jet turbine we can see the 3 channel drive and the locked "harmonic" compression technology.
the compression first pushes a blade on turbine rig one, the compresses, pushes a blade on turbine rig two, compresses again and pushes a blade on turbine rig three.
it is intresting to see we do not have a bemf in the turbine.
that is why the canonn ball analogy is so important..
there are certain clues which we can use to determine and get a more clear picture of what is happening inside the tpu.
it is in his words when you pay close attention.
if we fire up control coil one, and we let it go, and fire control coil two,control coil one will produce a force against our RMF.
so it would be constantly working against our goal.
if we look at the canonn ball analogy we can extrackt some important factors.
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was
carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it
would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles
an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000
miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second
projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second
projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
upon impact many fold! that is key,
So here he is telling us we fire up control coil one, then control coil two, and then control coil three.
the important thing here is that the projectiles keep going untill all canonns are fired and then we collect the energy upon impact.
he clearly tells us the projectiles keep moving when the next is fired,so they do not fall to the ground at least before the next one is fired since the speeds add to each other.
basicly this means we do not switch off the controls untill they are all switched on.
then we release the complete coil resulting in one big massive bemf.
this bemf does not work against us because it does not have a real direction ,the flux is around the entire torroid when the field collapses.
it's a one way ticket.
when we switch on control coil one the field will "grow" and be on 1/3rd of the torroid.
then we fire up control coil two and the field will "grow" and be on 2/3rd of the torroid.
then we fire up control coil three and the field will "grow" untill it is on 3/3 or 100% of the torroid.
this way we can create a directional pulsed rotating magnetic field without the unwanted anti force of the bemf per control coil,we collect this energy in one big bemf when the flux is around the full torroid.
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.now we need to find a way to use the right frequency "offsets" so we can squeeze or resonate in the magnetic wave,which is already present.(allow it to add and fill up the diferential holes)
so, this methode of creating a rotational magnetic field is
somewhat diffrent from what we are doing, or at least what i was doing when i started to experiment with the 3 segmented coil.
That is what i make of the canonn ball analogy, if this is not the case,then we should have seen 3 seperate firing cannons and end up with 3 seperate projectiles travelling at 1000 miles each, but i do not think this is the case....
if anybody makes something diffrent about this canonn ball analogy, let's hear it so we can discuss it.
Marco.
BTW the rotation may not be real or needs to be designed. Lets imagine you sat in a river which your are pointing up stream and the river is the mag wave. Now i just stuck one oar out into the river at 90 degrees. Its starts to turn me around till im going backwards but the PLL has now stuck my other arm out to keep 90 degrees. Meanwhile i go along the river doing circles as i keep sticking my arms out to maintain 90 degrees. The rotation will still be at 7.5 the speed of the river.
Anway if you make a powerful 7.5 Hz antenna you get a massive kick coming back at you. This is not just an idea its real and it works. Unleash the beast and found out how to control it after.
My take on the cannonball analogy does not have BEMF - the field never relaxes.
You start the controls and the RMF start to form, and you keep speeding up the signal (increasing frequency). this is much the same as an endless train if unidirectional impulse - like Tesla used - except we are working with a circle, so it goes round and round - faster and faster - stronger and stronger.
I suppose, theoreticall, that by adding frequencies over and over (or mixing and going higher and higher - always at a harmonic of resonance so as to maintain resonance) you could reach extremely high frequencies. (Eventually, something will have to give.)
The center of the ring - like the eye of a tornado is quiet. The outside, for a fair distance is very noisy. Hence control are placed in the quiet center. The toroidal overwrap may offer some degree of shielding and field containment permitting the ring to be used around convetnional devices without too much interference.
There is no fancy stuff on SM's PCB. He mentioned somewhere it was discrete components and helped if they were mounted 1/2'' of the board. Thats sounds to me like RF breadboarding. I wouldn't be surprised if some it was blobbed on to plain copper PCB for the oscillators and the PLL was a bit of Vero board taped up and squashed on top:) When you build your oscillators and they run stable all thats left is working out what control wires do what. At this point in time we should have least had at least one coil melt down to show good willing!
Could it be that the toroids in the center of the 15" TPU compose a toroidal balun mixer? Let's see, two toroids, two caps, diodes hiding somewhere...something on those caps
How quaint.
summary:
RMF. Increase speed by looping mixer output back to input. Collector better provide enough to get it going...
If frequencies get too far off, they don't mix right and you lose resonance...round and round down the toilet...
Almost two freakin' years to see it is just a magnetic vortex, a freakin mixer, wire and tape...jeeeez!
EDIT:
Gentlemen,
I would to thank you all for posting this here. I have an adequate set of parts coming in the mail to create a very controlled test platform.
The real fun should start now. And the weekend is upon us.
--giantkiller. Permantly in awe.
I'm still dumbfounded by the freakin' mixer, eddy currents, and RMF.
Even if SM does not keep injecting the output of the mixer back to the input infinetly, it still looks like a mixer and would allow multiplication of the frequency. Judging by the size of those caps - not extremely high freq.
Grumpy as i said yesterday im 99% sure they are balun mixers. You can even see the signal injection side has about 50 turns of thin copper wire and the secondary is part of the collector goes through it just once as this is the low impedance side. The wire is glued in place to stop it moving. At the bottom of the control box are large white film caps which are the LC's to form the tank. There are two one for each coil and they are mixed the same these C's terminate each side of the control but connect to the main collector coils the wire is thicker. On the ends of the box are black 1 watt resistor poking out these will be like source load resistors to dump some heat so the oscillators do get rather hot. If they are power mosfets there could be lots of amps involved. The control box is rather odd it doesn't look purpose made rather like a recycled thing with brackets and bits sticking. The big caps added later outside look like a bodge job to me and looks rather like my door bell box LOL
In addition in the big tpu there is little feedback control wiring going on certainly not 9 controls as seen with some tpu on here.
I have to believe that the regen receiver is very valid alternative. In addition we could even do away with the PLL by using a simple VCO. The VCO is loosely centered around 7.5 hz and the VCO could then be controlled by simply witnessing what happens at the voltage output of the device. Simply if its in tune then power is coming out. Notice also the large tpu has a pot next to the 2 osc switches. This may adjust the VCO or feedback loop so he can tune it in. The drawback of the regen is making the 7.5 osc needs a high Q inductor and massive caps. It will lose the sinewave purity and then we have no phase control. For stability its always much better to start high and divide down.
I don't recall "balun mixer" or any variation of it being posted before today. I do recall that "mixer" has been suggested several times over the last year+.
Could be anything in the underside of that box/heatsink looking thing.
I would not place too much value in the 7.5 Hz thing. Go back a page or two and get that PDF of SM's letter's that I posted.
I found a great site about schuman frequencies, this link has receiver circuits, unsure if this is useful or not:
http://electricterra.com/ulf_schematics.htm
Acerzw
@ bolt
Why don't you put together a diagram for us, it's hard to follow text descriptions.Ã, It sounds like you're very sure and just about ready to break out the soldering ironÃ, LOL :)Ã,Â
@ marco
I like the previous 3 harmonic signal simulations too.Ã, I think that's closer to the truth.Ã, The sims I just posted here are just for educational purposesÃ, :)Ã, Ã, Ã,Â
You know what my take is on the cannon story:Ã, SM is trying to tell us that energy increases IF IT BUILDS UPON ITSELF.Ã, The electrical analogy isÃ, RESONANCE.Ã, A signal comes around and we add to it IN PHASE, and the energy builds up.Ã,Â
Now, he could also be telling us the 3 is important as well.Ã, However, how we build resonance physically speaking, can have many forms and shapes.Ã, In the TPU I am almost 100% sure it is longitudinal standing waves, else we could do it with a stick and have a TESLA coil.Ã, But in a circular scenario the infinite "properties" of a CIRCLE come into play.Ã, Round and round we go.Ã, :)
@ Grumpy
Are you having fun nowÃ, LOL :)Ã, Looks like you're creative mind is spinning again, and that's good.
@ all
We are revolving closer and closer to the truth.Ã, It's good to have different angles.Ã, You see, when we consider the implications of a theory, and how it relates to the SM clues (letters and video) we can hone in on the right theory.Ã, I've been meaning to put together a matrix of the theories and the clues.Ã, then in the center make notes on how that clue supports or rejects that particular theory.Ã, I think that would be a grand project but very involved.Ã, I've been trying to help out with simulations and theory as much as I can but it's taxing my energies.Ã, Maybe somebody else can take on this project.
EM
EM,
Might I suggest a visual mind map as a better form of documentation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Mapping
Acerzw
good stuff guys
you will make it sing now
time to build a few of my own coils ;) i aint talking tpu's eather ;D
l8rz
is
Ok guys, here's another concept that I mentioned before and it's very closely related to the mixer idea.
Directional Couplers
You see, when you introduce a signal in a circular track, it goes BOTH WAYS. Clockwise and couter clockwise.
The interference it produces is not rotational (unless signal speeds vary CW compared to CCW) but just standing wave.
Well, with a DIRECTIONAL COUPLER, you can send the pulse ONE DIRECTION ONLY.
Now you can realy building up a true ONE WAY TRAVELING wave, and if you pick the wavelength just right you can also get resonant build up, and then this wave will pass by and induce lots of energy, because it travels very very fast.
Here's a circuit for an RF Directional Coupler. (from http://michaelgellis.tripod.com/direct.html (http://michaelgellis.tripod.com/direct.html) )
And how to use it.
EM
P.S. Note the two transformers are 1:1 just like in the large TPU :) Is that what SM is doing?
@all
This website is a bit far out but many things we have talked about feature, so there are probably some useful ideas. Worth a good look around but here is the index of one particularly interesting document:
PROLOGUE: IS CURRENT SCIENCE INCOMPLETE?
CHAPTER 01: INTRODUCTION
CHAPTER 02: THE AETHER IS PURE, CONSCIOUS ONENESS
CHAPTER 03: THE COSMIC CONTEXT
CHAPTER 04: HARNESSING THE CONSCIOUS AETHER WITH GRAVITY AND INERTIA
CHAPTER 05: AETHER, ELECTROMAGNETISM AND FREE ENERGY
CHAPTER 06: GRAVITY, MAGNETISM AND ROTATION - THE MISSING LINK
CHAPTER 07: THE AETHER AS SPHERICAL LIGHT AND SOUND
CHAPTER 08: KEELY AND THE PHYSICS OF VIBRATION
CHAPTER 09: VORTEXES, PROPULSION AND MATTER CHANGES
CHAPTER 10: VORTEX SHIFTS OF TIME AND DIMENSIONAL LEVELS
CHAPTER 11: PROPERTIES OF THE EARTH AS A CONSCIOUSNESS UNIT
CHAPTER 12: ET WISDOM: PLANETS AS CONSCIOUSNESS UNIT FORMATIONS
CHAPTER 13: ET WISDOM: GEOMETRY, VIBRATION AND HIGHER DIMENSIONS
CHAPTER 14: VEDIC YOGA, SETH AND MULTIDIMENSIONAL COSMOLOGY
Some good stuff in here:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=19&Itemid=36
Acerzw, food for thought
Think about the simplicity of the 1st control unit. 2 or 3 coils and tiny toroidal balun sat on top. We are going back 15 years now to when that was made even though it was demonstrated in 97 so 92 electronics much of which was still discrete and as a working prototype almost guaranteed. There is certainly not much room in there to do more then very basic oscillation and feedback and i think it unlikely there is anything as complex as a Xtal in these devices. To me they appear to be free running. If this is true then any controlling or feedback must come from those frequencies and circuits that are already providing the basic oscillations. If harmonics are involved then they can be seen and tried later. Its very unlikely anything is switched. Switching causes spikes and spikes are nasty. The combination of taps and feedback will create the parasitic oscillations. There could be a radio subset IC inside or PLL VCO but im very sure thats the lot.
So the first step is to get one tuned very close to the mag wave till currents and heat build up in the loop or start popping fuses. No one has even got this far yet and needs no controls to achieve this. The controls are in place to tame the device and provide the circular rotation.
There is little more to discuss other then building one. I read SM doc right through again tonight and i placed 20 out 20 ticks against my model to his notes. In addition EMdevices has witnessed this 7.5 Hz oddity on his motor experiments couple of pages back.
I will say this now this thread is now in resonating at last. If we stay tuned in to pure sine then things happen.
Just need to clear this up for grumpy first
Quote from: Grumpy on September 13, 2007, 07:41:08 PM
I don't recall "balun mixer" or any variation of it being posted before today. I do recall that "mixer" has been suggested several times over the last year+.
Could be anything in the underside of that box/heatsink looking thing.
I would not place too much value in the 7.5 Hz thing. Go back a page or two and get that PDF of SM's letter's that I posted.
this is my post from last week.
"Why SM may need to use balun? This could also be useful to provide the correct impedance of the sig output to collector. The sig gen will be very low impedance and unbalanced even the mostfet PA stage is designed to run into very low impedance..few ohms. The collector coil will appear as several hundred ohms balanced. We know that a twisted pair has a 300 ohm impedance same as EDIT folded dipole (open unbalanced dipoles usually low impedance 50 or 75 ohm) and the collector coil could be as high. If the sig input is mismatched then we cannot transfer enough useful signal in to the collector. While writing this it certainly occurred to me the collector is a magnetic dipole! LOL oh heck it gets better. The two collector coils ARE balanced and fed into the balun."
A visual map? What a great idea !!! LOL :) :D :) :D
EM,
That Rocks! However I was thinking of something a bit more practical and less funny? :P
Yep, that could be an MRI scan, it shows level one ultra-quasi-TPU brain resonance fatigue syndrome...
I prescribe some JOLT cola and a large Pizza... ::)
Acerzw, Glad I'm not on the Map
EDIT: Well, EM you got me good there!
Oh we can fix that, acerzw, LOL
Love the map EM, lol!!!
EDIT: Nice addition EM, love it, lol!
I hope everyone is taking it the right way, we're just having some fun !!Ã, :)
Don't feel left out, can't include everybody but if I think of any good entries I'll expand it.
EM
P.S. Just did, so check back regularly.
Quote from: EMdevices on September 13, 2007, 10:14:28 PM
Oh we can fix that, acerzw, LOL
Dude!
Best and most informative post in the known universe! No, really. They told me!
@EM, you are missing from the map. EM says 'I got your friggin coil right here!, It runs on static electricity from the carpet!'
--giantkiller. Drink up boys. Next one is on the house.
LOL
Quote from: bolt on September 13, 2007, 08:59:46 PM
this is my post from last week.
"Why SM may need to use balun? This could also be useful to provide the correct impedance of the sig output to collector. The sig gen will be very low impedance and unbalanced even the mostfet PA stage is designed to run into very low impedance..few ohms. The collector coil will appear as several hundred ohms balanced. We know that a twisted pair has a 300 ohm impedance same as EDIT folded dipole (open unbalanced dipoles usually low impedance 50 or 75 ohm) and the collector coil could be as high. If the sig input is mismatched then we cannot transfer enough useful signal in to the collector. While writing this it certainly occurred to me the collector is a magnetic dipole! LOL oh heck it gets better. The two collector coils ARE balanced and fed into the balun."
OK you said balun a week ago - not yesterday.
EM has a good idea with the "Directional Coupler". Not RE after all, at least not directly...
Time for some experiments...where's me magnets?
R.O.L.F.!!! great EM!
OK. Let's see here.
Transverse wave Eddie is opposite and opposes.
Longitudinal wave eddy is perp, so does not oppose. Isn't that cool?
So, drive controls at Longitudinal resonance freq and you see current in the wire. Right in front of us the whole time - ain't that a bitch?
(Where's Mark Snoswell? He has a thread on Longitudinal experiments.)
Reference to Schumann Resonance and 7.x Hz was only an example. Resonance for TPU is relative to diameter just like Schumann Resonances are related to earth's diameter and propagation speed of EM. So, using same correlation, one can get idea of correct TPU freq. Smaller TPU will require higher frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance
Quote from: Grumpy on September 14, 2007, 01:03:42 AM
OK. Let's see here.
Transverse wave Eddie is opposite and opposes.
Longitudinal wave eddy is perp, so does not oppose. Isn't that cool?
So, drive controls at Longitudinal resonance freq and you see current in the wire. Right in front of us the whole time - ain't that a bitch?
(Where's Mark Snoswell? He has a thread on Longitudinal experiments.)
Reference to Schumann Resonance and 7.x Hz was only an example. Resonance for TPU is relative to diameter just like Schumann Resonances are related to earth's diameter and propagation speed of EM. So, using same correlation, one can get idea of correct TPU freq. Smaller TPU will require higher frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance
;)
Quote from: EMdevices on September 13, 2007, 09:45:14 PM
A visual map? What a great idea !!! LOL :) :D :) :D
Great summary! You forgot the old dude from Hong Kong called Lawrence Tseung and his Lead Out Crap Theory!
@EM
You need 13th hour ' This is my TeDiuM theory, its based on the Philidephia Experiment, Cascade my Ass!'.
Acerzw
@ bolt or anyone can some one clear up the speed is power thing :)
thanks
is
@acp it almost sounds as tho you are challeangeing sm's words i guess i will go find them to show you where he says this!!
unless some one will explain it
@innovation_station
As has been stated many times already on this forum, speed is not power.
power = amount workdone / time interval.
for rotational cases:
power = torque * angular speed.
I think its rotating at 7.5 hz again and you shouldn't be able to change this because its a constant. The speed of the earth flux is fixed at the speed of light i.e. the time it takes to go from north pole to south 40.000 Km. What does change is the Schumann resonance slightly and the noise thats in there is only stuff like lightning etc is not that powerful in itself. In other words the Schumann resonance is NOT the energy thats being tapped into because this in only a by product of the real event thats happening. Although lightning etc is still traveling all around the earth at the speed of light its being kept bound inside this magnetic canopy like a large theater an does wonder about on a daily basis. Inside the theater is lots of people shouting and making a noise and this is what you see when you look what noise is being produced at 7.5 and you don't see the flux itself. So if you measure the flux instead of the noise you can see magnetic wave but recall as Tom Bearden says that when you measure something you are measuring ONLY the difference between the inbalanced. Currently the earth is losing power showing as 0.4 Gauss in some countries but this by no means the energy in the space time is weak... not a chance. You disturb this flux balance it will come back and and bite you on the ass :)
Time to hack through some more of the BS jungle...
With a magnetic vortex and method implied above, the amount of energy that would be collected is related to the rotation speed of the vortex (i.e. the rate of change of the field) and the field strength - just like any magnetic field.
Next is to take a solenoid coil around a lamp wire and sweep for the frequency that produces a response in the DC-biased lamp cord or find the longitudinal resonance freq and work from that. Like Mark Snoswell and Eric Dollard have both mentioned, you would not find the LW freq without looking for it. Talked to a guy that is heavy into Tesla wireless transmission about a week ago and he pointed out that Tesla's pancake coils have a wide LW Q - making it easier to find/tune.
Pretty neat concept, really.
Controls in center of TPU, since rotating field will shield them from outside and eye of TPU will be nice and quiet. I would expect an element of cycloidal rotation once it gets up to speed - so the inside will flow opposite the outside - like a mobius simulates - look at the flow directions - inside is opposite the outside. I've mentioned most of this before, just not in one place.
Kudos to Mark Snoswell for his LW experiments.
Get busy, winter is coming! Now where did I put that ammeter?
EDIT:
It is rotating at about 70,000 RPM - way faster than 7.5, so forget the damn Schumann Resonance - it was only an analogy!!!
hummmm... high speed eh!!!
to lay this down our pancake coil should be 13'1"or3.99m or just under it is a loop ant like a fm reciever wire open ended? the lenth is critical for the 7.5 longatudal resonance of the "collector" and it should be able to carry upto 100 amps at 1 volt or can some one brake this down more
cuz our collector can be shorter but heaver gage
is
6000 hz hash is the number of times 1 coil winding has been cut by the rotating flux. Now i have 800 turns on my output coil so
6000 / 800 =7.5:) = 7.5 * 60 = 450 RPM. Is this too slow? Nope my collector is producing 800 * 1 amp = 800 watts / 800 amps at 1 volts * number of turns in collector say 10 turns = 80 amps per turn with only 0.1 volts.
A power station is only cranking the handle at 50 or 60 Hz yet makes mega watts.
The amount of current collected in the collector is huge with little PD. Really the TPU needs a super conductor because as soon as its scaled up the amount of heat becomes uncontrollable due to the resistance in the wire.
wow!
bolt did i ever just find you all the sloution
lol!!
white powder gold ;)
no heat or verry little ........no wories :) how much can you pull now?? from a 6" tpu
bolt agreed we must first see it work b4 we can then fix it
but i can not help it my mind races fast and should not be slowed down!! that only confuses me as i still am confused on the operation of the tpu but that is ok
i look forward
william
Look we just ask GK on sunday night how many volts and amps his tpu is putting out....no worries.
I am hustling.
I have one of the gennys built. The jameco je2206 has a parts mishap. I fix. The dual 2206 will let me set f1 then jump 7.5 and set f2. f1 has to be in some resonant area of the coil. So to maintain a 7.5hz window while I sweep will be tedious. Hence the PIC microcntllr connected to the dual channel DAC. I get 12 bit control via a pc interface. Any coil, any dance. I will be able to throw any coil on and get the operational specs with this controller.
This will adapt to the parameters grumpy and bolt are talking aout.
I can set the window width then move f1 or f2 and they will travel as pairs maintaining the window.
I will call this controller the 'Magnetic heterodyner'!
--giantkiller. See? ;)
Quote from: -[marco]- on September 13, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
upon impact many fold! that is key,
That is what i make of the canonn ball analogy, if this is not the case,then we should have seen 3 seperate firing cannons and end up with 3 seperate projectiles travelling at 1000 miles each, but i do not think this is the case....
if anybody makes something diffrent about this canonn ball analogy, let's hear it so we can discuss it.
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I'd like to comment on your explanation, as you asked for.....
When i read SM's words I don't think it stops after 3 cannons to collect the energy. He clearly states "and so on, and so on". He is telling us there, that he keeps speeding it up and up. Which makes sense because he also told us that the field is rotating at an incredible high speed (near light speed!).
Personally I think the explanation I found on waterfuelforall.com (which basically is the Bob Boyce way) comes very close. It covers all the ingredients for a tpu, vortex creation and the danger of runaway by going excactly on frequency. I know this makes use of a core, but the principle is also valid for air core coils. The longitudinal waves get so strong and fast after a while (tpu winding up!) that it drags or pushes the electrons in the collector. I just think SM somehow managed to do this with sinewaves instead of pulses.
This is wahat is stated there:
Hi Guys,
This might be a long post, but bare with me, as I try to explain my understanding of what happens in the toroidial core during hydroxy operation, and try to explain the runaway condition that Bob Boyce has been warning us all about.
For the purpose of this explanation, I have quickly drawn the toroid with it?s 3 primary windings. Note that it?s not connected to anything, nor does it show any secondaries or anything else. It?s just to explain what goes on in the toroid itself. You will see the windings are marked 1, 2 and 3, and I will be referring to each of these as we go along.
But first, let?s look at a few fundamental differences between the Boyce PWM controller and the one that Mr Banki designed.
The PWM circuit designed by Bob Boyce uses three individually adjusted frequency pots, and while this does give you greater control to a certain degree, this is not deeded, as we would like to have the three frequencies in exact ratio?s with each other, those ratio?s being F, F/2 and F/4. If the electronics we use supports this formula, the it would mean that we would only have to tune F, and the other 2 frequencies will automatically be adjusted to by the circuit to be correct. The circuit that Mr Banki designed allows for just this, so from a ?tuning? perspective, his circuit is a little easier to operate.
Then, there is something called phase. Going a little deeper, we get phase drift, as well as phase lock. What does this mean? Well, if you look at the attached picture, you will see that the toroid there is wound with 3 coils, each coil being more or less 120 degrees apart from each other. Because a toroid is round, which gives us 360 degrees, if we want 3 coils evenly spaced out on that coil, we would have to wind them 120 degrees apart. Now, this is where the ?phase? word comes in again. If I were to pulse each of these 3 coils, one at a time, and use a phase locked circuit to do so, it would mean that every coil will be pulsed in a 120 degree (timing) fashion. However, if I pulse them in a drifting phase manner, then it would mean that the pulses would not be ?timed? as such, but would just pulse randomly one after the other. Now, the circuit designed by Bob Boyce has been designed for a drifting phase, whereas the circuit designed by Mr Banki was designed to include a phase lock. It is this phase drift and phase lock scenario that we will be looking at more closely to try and figure out what the implications of phase drift vs phase lock is.
So, to recap, the Banki circuit does automatic frequency division and phase lock, while the Boyce circuit has to be tuned manually for each frequency, and the phase drifts all the time. There are numerous other differences between these circuits, but for the purpose of this discussion, I will only be focusing on these two?
Now, let?s for the moment assume that I am pulsing my toroid with the circuit designed by Mr Banki. This will mean that by default, the frequencies I pulse the toroid at will be already divided, and will also be in phase as wel..
So, the first pulse is generated and sent to the windings at #1. The electricity goes through the windings, and generates an electro-magnetic field. This in turn induces a higher potential on the secondary windings, which is then carried to the cell to start disassociating the water. However, some of this electro-magnetic energy will not be sent to the cell, but will remain ?moving? in the toroidial core.
Now, this electro-magnetic field moves through the core, and it reaches windings #2. At this very moment, because the circuit is in phase, the windings at #2 will be pulsed. Again, the same thing will happen. An electro-magnetic field will be induced and through the secondary windings go to the cell to further the hydroxyl production. BUT, something else also happened here?
Because the frequency being sent through the wires at #2 is and exact harmonic of #1, and because the circuit is in phase, it will mean that the extra electro magnetic field left over by the pulsing of #2 will not be ADDED onto the extra field left over by the pulsing of #1. And because they are in harmony with each other, what we will get is a STANDING WAVE. To witness this effect easily, take a bucket of water, and let one drop fall into the centre of the bucket. The waves generated by that event will travel outward, hit the edge, and then come back, and where the outgoing and incoming waves meet, a standing wave will be created.
On a more atomic level, what is actually happening here is that we are causing the particles (protons or electrons) to spin faster and faster, as they accumulate more energy from this electro-magnetic field.
So, now that we have generated this standing wave at #2, we carry on, and this standing wave is now passed onto #3, where, once again it is being pulsed by the circuit in phase, and harmonically in tune as well. Once again, the same thing will happen, and we will be adding potential to the now ever growing electro magnetic field that exists in our toroid.
After running this condition for a few seconds, we will start to generate a vortex of electro-static energy inside the toroid. There have been numerous experiments done in this regards, some of where were called TEP (Time Energy Pump, http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/tep7pics.jpg or http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/rcoil.htm), Steven Marks TPU, etc.
What happens from here? Well, now we are busy creating an ever growing vortex of electro-static energy? This will do some weird things. First, your cell with water will be bombarded by ?extra? energy on each pulse, as this extra energy will be induced on every secondary each time it passes that coil. Furthermore, the every growing vortex you are creating will keep on expanding, pulling LEM energy from the ?eather? so to speak, and it is at this point that your life will be in serious danger.
What can we do to safely scale up the hydroxy being produced while still staying alive?
Well, Bob Boyce speaks about an extra winding on the toroid, called longitudinal windings. I assume that this winding will be more or less the same as the one Stan Meyers talks about in his VIC arrangement, where it is used to pick up and report the energy gained, thus measuring how far or how close we are to creating a runaway situation. Once we measure the gained energy to be close to the HV bias, we can then either manually or intelligently (through ?smart or intelligent?) circuits adjust the phase so that it does not operate in the 120 degree fashion any more, to allow the situation to stabilize.
If we don?t do it, we will be accumulating extra energy all the time, and very soon we will create things like the lightning strike that hit Bob a few years ago, or the death ray that Tesla spoke about, and things can get very bad from there.
Well, I hope that all this babble made some sense, and even though the terminology used to describe the different energies at work here might be wrong (I am but an amateur still), I believe that the basic principle of what?s happening stays the same.
The long and the short of everything I mentioned here is that the circuit that Mr. Banki designed is, by it?s very nature to some degree already in resonance, because it will have the ability to pick up or tap into the LEM energy fields and convert that LEM energy to TEM energy and send it to the cell to produce large amounts of hydroxy by using a relatively small amount of input power, provided that the right conditions are met in terms of windings, polarity, etc etc.
Take care
Hope this is usefull.
Regards
Robert
its not really the frequency themselves thats the issue. It because basically to have to make use with what your got. Whatever is happening is not artificially generated by some tiny sig gen IC because you will never produce any power unless the coils want to resonate in some manor. So we are limited to what the coils and capacitors are capable of producing. If we artificially generate the frequencies you cant add to it in terms of feedback power becuase the coils will just say FO thats not what i want do. This will be different in every device. It more likely that we start with a hartely or colpitts oscillator somewhere based on one of the coils. This will produce nice sine waves of low distortion and not some IC with 3% distortion. Now to produce 7.5 hz straight off the bat needs HUGE coil with about 10,000 turns and maybe with a core too so i very much doubt its been produced in this manor. All we have to go by is the collectors are only 10 20 turns whatever no core so if i stick say 2.2uf cap on this and see what i get its could be 1.5 megs. If i do the same with the 120 degree control coil which are wound over the collectors maybe 100 turns but with a copper core passing thorugh as the collector it must do something to lower the frequncy it still might come out at 750k and still no way as low as 7.5 Hz. Plus you cant just add a massive cap as part of LC there is a point where L becomes insignificant and it stops working. If this i true where are the big caps hanging out of the small tpu's there are none!
So it remains to me that there must be 2 high frequencies generated first then we get what we want as a heterodyne. 7.5 Hz is not ruled out if we don't interact with this frequncy then we have no hum. And the 7.5 Hz vibration felt and described by SM in the units makes no sense.
I just recalled. Did SM mention he noticed in some tpu's the frequencies are often over a meg and some PC scopes wont be able to see whats going on?
Quote from: dutchy1966 on September 14, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on September 13, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
upon impact many fold! that is key,
That is what i make of the canonn ball analogy, if this is not the case,then we should have seen 3 seperate firing cannons and end up with 3 seperate projectiles travelling at 1000 miles each, but i do not think this is the case....
if anybody makes something diffrent about this canonn ball analogy, let's hear it so we can discuss it.
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I'd like to comment on your explanation, as you asked for.....
When i read SM's words I don't think it stops after 3 cannons to collect the energy. He clearly states "and so on, and so on". He is telling us there, that he keeps speeding it up and up. Which makes sense because he also told us that the field is rotating at an incredible high speed (near light speed!).
Personally I think the explanation I found on waterfuelforall.com (which basically is the Bob Boyce way) comes very close. It covers all the ingredients for a tpu, vortex creation and the danger of runaway by going excactly on frequency. I know this makes use of a core, but the principle is also valid for air core coils. The longitudinal waves get so strong and fast after a while (tpu winding up!) that it drags or pushes the electrons in the collector. I just think SM somehow managed to do this with sinewaves instead of pulses.
This is wahat is stated there:
Hi Guys,
This might be a long post, but bare with me, as I try to explain my understanding of what happens in the toroidial core during hydroxy operation, and try to explain the runaway condition that Bob Boyce has been warning us all about.
For the purpose of this explanation, I have quickly drawn the toroid with it?s 3 primary windings. Note that it?s not connected to anything, nor does it show any secondaries or anything else. It?s just to explain what goes on in the toroid itself. You will see the windings are marked 1, 2 and 3, and I will be referring to each of these as we go along.
But first, let?s look at a few fundamental differences between the Boyce PWM controller and the one that Mr Banki designed.
The PWM circuit designed by Bob Boyce uses three individually adjusted frequency pots, and while this does give you greater control to a certain degree, this is not deeded, as we would like to have the three frequencies in exact ratio?s with each other, those ratio?s being F, F/2 and F/4. If the electronics we use supports this formula, the it would mean that we would only have to tune F, and the other 2 frequencies will automatically be adjusted to by the circuit to be correct. The circuit that Mr Banki designed allows for just this, so from a ?tuning? perspective, his circuit is a little easier to operate.
Then, there is something called phase. Going a little deeper, we get phase drift, as well as phase lock. What does this mean? Well, if you look at the attached picture, you will see that the toroid there is wound with 3 coils, each coil being more or less 120 degrees apart from each other. Because a toroid is round, which gives us 360 degrees, if we want 3 coils evenly spaced out on that coil, we would have to wind them 120 degrees apart. Now, this is where the ?phase? word comes in again. If I were to pulse each of these 3 coils, one at a time, and use a phase locked circuit to do so, it would mean that every coil will be pulsed in a 120 degree (timing) fashion. However, if I pulse them in a drifting phase manner, then it would mean that the pulses would not be ?timed? as such, but would just pulse randomly one after the other. Now, the circuit designed by Bob Boyce has been designed for a drifting phase, whereas the circuit designed by Mr Banki was designed to include a phase lock. It is this phase drift and phase lock scenario that we will be looking at more closely to try and figure out what the implications of phase drift vs phase lock is.
So, to recap, the Banki circuit does automatic frequency division and phase lock, while the Boyce circuit has to be tuned manually for each frequency, and the phase drifts all the time. There are numerous other differences between these circuits, but for the purpose of this discussion, I will only be focusing on these two?
Now, let?s for the moment assume that I am pulsing my toroid with the circuit designed by Mr Banki. This will mean that by default, the frequencies I pulse the toroid at will be already divided, and will also be in phase as wel..
So, the first pulse is generated and sent to the windings at #1. The electricity goes through the windings, and generates an electro-magnetic field. This in turn induces a higher potential on the secondary windings, which is then carried to the cell to start disassociating the water. However, some of this electro-magnetic energy will not be sent to the cell, but will remain ?moving? in the toroidial core.
Now, this electro-magnetic field moves through the core, and it reaches windings #2. At this very moment, because the circuit is in phase, the windings at #2 will be pulsed. Again, the same thing will happen. An electro-magnetic field will be induced and through the secondary windings go to the cell to further the hydroxyl production. BUT, something else also happened here?
Because the frequency being sent through the wires at #2 is and exact harmonic of #1, and because the circuit is in phase, it will mean that the extra electro magnetic field left over by the pulsing of #2 will not be ADDED onto the extra field left over by the pulsing of #1. And because they are in harmony with each other, what we will get is a STANDING WAVE. To witness this effect easily, take a bucket of water, and let one drop fall into the centre of the bucket. The waves generated by that event will travel outward, hit the edge, and then come back, and where the outgoing and incoming waves meet, a standing wave will be created.
On a more atomic level, what is actually happening here is that we are causing the particles (protons or electrons) to spin faster and faster, as they accumulate more energy from this electro-magnetic field.
So, now that we have generated this standing wave at #2, we carry on, and this standing wave is now passed onto #3, where, once again it is being pulsed by the circuit in phase, and harmonically in tune as well. Once again, the same thing will happen, and we will be adding potential to the now ever growing electro magnetic field that exists in our toroid.
After running this condition for a few seconds, we will start to generate a vortex of electro-static energy inside the toroid. There have been numerous experiments done in this regards, some of where were called TEP (Time Energy Pump, http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/tep7pics.jpg or http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/rcoil.htm), Steven Marks TPU, etc.
What happens from here? Well, now we are busy creating an ever growing vortex of electro-static energy? This will do some weird things. First, your cell with water will be bombarded by ?extra? energy on each pulse, as this extra energy will be induced on every secondary each time it passes that coil. Furthermore, the every growing vortex you are creating will keep on expanding, pulling LEM energy from the ?eather? so to speak, and it is at this point that your life will be in serious danger.
What can we do to safely scale up the hydroxy being produced while still staying alive?
Well, Bob Boyce speaks about an extra winding on the toroid, called longitudinal windings. I assume that this winding will be more or less the same as the one Stan Meyers talks about in his VIC arrangement, where it is used to pick up and report the energy gained, thus measuring how far or how close we are to creating a runaway situation. Once we measure the gained energy to be close to the HV bias, we can then either manually or intelligently (through ?smart or intelligent?) circuits adjust the phase so that it does not operate in the 120 degree fashion any more, to allow the situation to stabilize.
If we don?t do it, we will be accumulating extra energy all the time, and very soon we will create things like the lightning strike that hit Bob a few years ago, or the death ray that Tesla spoke about, and things can get very bad from there.
Well, I hope that all this babble made some sense, and even though the terminology used to describe the different energies at work here might be wrong (I am but an amateur still), I believe that the basic principle of what?s happening stays the same.
The long and the short of everything I mentioned here is that the circuit that Mr. Banki designed is, by it?s very nature to some degree already in resonance, because it will have the ability to pick up or tap into the LEM energy fields and convert that LEM energy to TEM energy and send it to the cell to produce large amounts of hydroxy by using a relatively small amount of input power, provided that the right conditions are met in terms of windings, polarity, etc etc.
Take care
Hope this is usefull.
Regards
Robert
If it really just is a precise MATCHING, OVERLAYING of the signals from the control coils that is the key,
then this can surely be explained by the HUNGARIAN ... http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html
Please note, that it is MUCH easier to SUPERPOSITION longitudinal waves, than TEM waves. So, this definitely seems to fit what is in that post above.
For, if the control coils that are spaced 120 degrees apart are creating longitudinal waves at the key moments when the wave from the previous coil superpositions the next fired longitudinal wave, then you have a situation clearly explained by the Hungarian fellow. You have energy being input into the system from the environment due to longitudinal wave superposition. What better geometric figure to allow for this superposition than a circle?
This accounts for the canon-analogy and water-analogy from SM. For, as the moving/standing field is going around the TPU's circle 'track' it is constantly being superpositioned with the next successive longitudinal pulse wave generated by each success control coil around the 'track'. So, you have this massive longitudinal wave being built up in a rotating circular track around the TPU. This wave could then be tapped at will and converted at will to TEM for our use...
Interesting, nonetheless...
I have been keeping an eye on all the achievements on the TPU. You all get top marks for perseverance but the image from EM sum's up the reality of what truely is happening.
Maybe you should look at these for a view of what are the basics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjl-qRy71w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bUWcy8HwpM
AM
P.S. EM, Sorry for adding more to the pot!
Interesting but there are some very smart guys on here that live and sleep math but it hasn't helped make a TPU in the last 18 months. Maybe a taxi driver will end it making one.
I also meant to say these 2 or 3 frequencies has so much confliction. Why does the big TPU have only 2 baluns and not 3? Why does the first prototype only have 1 on top. Why do the middle range tpu have no visible baluns? Why does the small open frame tpu look to have 2 collectors top and bottom and not 3?
I got a headache off to bed.
Thanks for that link AM,Ã, I watched the first video and enjoyed it.Ã, Ã, I saw this demo years ago in one of my physics classes, very interesting how it works.
Here's something else to think about guys, if you want to pursue the Schumann thing.Ã, Ã,Â
1)Ã, Take two coils of EQUAL lengths.
2)Ã, Take two capacitors of EQUAL value
Now you have two resonating TANK circuits of EQUAL frequency.
3)Ã, Start to cut one of the coils small piece at a time, untill the resonating frequency is off by.... you guessed it.... 7.3 HzÃ, :)
Then, the tank circuits will be exicted by the natural magnetic Schumann resonance, but feed one output to the other for some additon of signals and feedback, the output might just go through the roof !!
EM
hears a thought i had and im sure others too
for the feed back use easy flow audio wire use the copper part of the coil for feedback to the coil and use the siliver part of the feed back for output!!
the coper will be much slower and lower voltage than the siliver we only want to "kickstart" the coil im sure we will need a resistor from the copper of the feedback to the input to slow it down more
ist
Worked out the answer now the reason is the number of baluns is = to the number of collectors. The more collectors you have the more you can put them in parallel to increase the current or series to increase the voltage. The first model had one collector and one balun. The baluns are absolutely critical together with the magnets. If you don't make a balun you cant split the load to provide impedance matching and phase shift and the loop will never ever work. All collectors must be of the same size and resonance. They are simply put into parallel to increase current handling but that can have other effects that need to be controlled. There must be a space between the collectors so cant sit one on top of the other. Thats why the 800 volt tpu is tall. The 2 ends pass through the balun to the sig gen box which is terminated by resonance cap. The secondary side of the balun connects 1st control coil only and primary side connects to the sig gen PA. The ratio of windings is critical to ensure phase and amount that is fed back to the loop. As the first control coil is injected with the right sine wave frequencies a part of this input is directed into the main collector and another part is sent to the first control coil. The oscillation is sent around the loop and back again but the control coil will prevent it returning on this position coil. The next harmonic is already sent out which is now ahead of the 1st control and speeds up the returning back wave. The 3rd harmonic is sent ahead to the 3rd coil which gives it the third boost. The process continues at control 1. So now we have a cold electron flow circulating the loop which is also cut to resonance. It important to realize that the sig gen box does not really participate after the first few seconds. When the frequencies are correct it will automatically into forward gain positive feedback. NOT back to the sig gen but on to the next control coil. This TPU will run itself just before it explodes and switching off the control box will not stop it if allowed to get that far. SO the harmonic of the second coil will arrive there twice as fast as the first one because the frequncy is higher and the wavelength is shorter. The use of three frequencies produces standing waves that exact math relationship to the size of the collector. In this concept there is no need for spark gaps, square waves and spikes. It appears to me so many went wrong with this making Bedini Coils with mosfet spike triggers and nothing could be further from how this works.
SM has very nearly spilled the beans on this risking his freedom and pay packet. He is right he has said far too much already. SM mentioned Bushwacker and Freedomfuel for getting close. Bushwacker dedicated most of his time working on the Hope device. IMO it will never work he is only making a cooker peizo coil but he was named because he was injecting AUDIO sine waves into his hope device. However the guy reads like a crank to me every post was about abductions and threats from MIB which i very much doubt they would be interested in his cooker coil. Freedomfuel was mentioned because of his excellent theory. He was bang on correct about how this works but for some reason i recon he saw the potential good and BAD and decided to walk away. But he deleted over 100 very critical posts and was leaps ahead of most other on here 12 months ago. For all i know he has a working model.
Quote from: EMdevices on September 15, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Thanks for that link AM, I watched the first video and enjoyed it. I saw this demo years ago in one of my physics classes, very interesting how it works.
Here's something else to think about guys, if you want to pursue the Schumann thing.
1) Take two coils of EQUAL lengths.
2) Take two capacitors of EQUAL value
Now you have two resonating TANK circuits of EQUAL frequency.
3) Start to cut one of the coils small piece at a time, untill the resonating frequency is off by.... you guessed it.... 7.3 Hz :)
Then, the tank circuits will be exicted by the natural magnetic Schumann resonance, but feed one output to the other for some additon of signals and feedback, the output might just go through the roof !!
EM
Not that I want to feed this line of reasoning, the schumann, since I feel other things might be involved. But, I won't desregard it as a solution either...
So, to lend evidence to your statement there EMDevices, "Start to cut one of the coils small piece at a time, untill the resonating frequency is off by.... you guessed it.... 7.3 Hz"
Well, that caught my attention, mainly because there was a snippet from an email sent back in the 90s about SM's device and it talked about cutting until resonance...
Here is the snippet:
"Email received later
and arrangements have just been made to share it:
Patrick,
[snip] He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret.
We are aware of the concept and have been designing our own
version [snip]. He is VERY paranoid about publicity; [snip].
The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established. In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package. A magnet
is used and a resonance is established using the mechanical (Lorentz) forces
developed in the coil. The system pulses with a DC component.
Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio. It
appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The converter
package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a circuit to
convert the pulsed DC component to AC.
This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the
high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its
good and bad points....
We are working very hard to develop a working model ASAP. We have enough
funding and adequate lab facilities [snip]. When and if we have a
good working prototype and adequate stocks for immediate market penetration
we will let you know. We have a plan which is diametrically opposed to what
might be expected [snip]
Be patient and use the clues we have shared with you....
Your friends ...[snip]"Now, I am posting this, only for historical means, meaning, I don't want to start huge debates on the other elements on that email snippet. Mainly, the issue of cutting to resonance, and the potential that this snippet might very well help you attempting the Schumann approach.
Although, one could use the approach in that snippet, without the Schumann too...........
bolt, you might be saying very good things, but I can't visualize what you're saying too well.
Can you draw up a circuit?Ã, Ã, A picture is worth a thousand words !!!
EM
Edit:Ã, thanks for that posting tao,Ã, Ã, do you think these people made a typo?Ã, " ..In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package...."Ã, Ã, Ã, I think they meant to say CENTER ,not CORE. :)
Hi Bolt,
Thanks for your explanation. I like your theory, if only for the fact that it is based on SINE waves. Although SM is probably not allowed to mention siinewaves, there are so many occasions where he hints at it. Just look at how he stresses to find the right Cord (Chord). If that isn't pointing to three harmonically related sines.....
I have a suggestion for you. It might be good for the general understanding to make a little drawing of how you see things working at the moment.
Thanks
Robert
Bear in mind as i just said you can from one to 3 or 4 collectors and this was causing me so much grief till i realized why so snipping bits of between the collectors is not whats needed to produce a difference. However lets say i have just one collector. I stated in previous posts the resonance of the collector is most likely linked to 7.5 Hz. If it is then it will 3.999 meters long and taking a tad over a snipped down till its tuned. The harmonic length of the collector wll not change from a 4 inch tpu to 18 inch across only the frequencies applied to the control coils will change but the wire will still be 3.999 meters long due to the time it take for one pulse wave to be parasitically forced around the collector. clearly there is a ratio formula that can be applied to any tpu. So you find the first fundamental resonance frequncy for the 1st control coil maybe use a grid dip oscillator. Then i will know without trying what my second and third harmonics should be without spending hours twiddling.
Well im into my 3rd week doing this and as an RF engineer only sine waves made sense within reading just 8 posts and SM's document. There is no logic here with any other type of wave.......none. Its very likely not to any form of switching and timing because the loop is self timing and self oscillating by its own dynamics. If i were to provide any degree of active timing it means my control box is now forming an active part of the loop and current is flowing though my fets. There is no need to do that with this. The sig gen box is like a starter motor on a car. I start it then i can remove the car battery and starter motor and it will still run!
Bolt,
Are you trying to say that the load is not directly connected to the collector but to the little toroids in the center? For the sake of impedance matching?
Robert
I try and draw a simple circuit but will be a crappy one done quick with winblows paint. You know that a professional version TPU would most likely use a CPU running fuzzy logic. Then we can have soft start, auto tune oscillators, phase control, over current, over voltage, over heat etc and control over exactly the output voltage is providing rather then dipping on loads. So no doubt the new ones hidden in some dark places of the earth run perfectly like a modern switch mode inverter. Why not make a 100 K watt one with the collector as a copper water pipe to keep it cool.
anyone winding a collector pancake yet at 3.99m or 13'1" this is the center ring only 1 is needed for the center collector other 2 rings they should be balum coils? and they should be the same base pancake tuned to the same 7.5 hz
anyhow for the center one make it buzz at 7.5 then we find second harmonic on that coil (using a scope) and 3rd as well
after that 2econd and third go to the other coils is this correct?
ist
starting to get a picture in my mind i only have 18 ga speeker wire right now but will give it a shoot it is easy flow as well i can not run it tho but will build it so you can see the picture i have of it it is much similar to this pic when i find it i will post it
@bolt why dont we use the hot water to heat the house and water tank too ;) i have a design for the hyper heat unit it was a portable space heater but it can now be a power supply too ;D
tryed to find the pic i must have deleted it so i threw the coil back togather real quick and took a pic of it now no need to tell me it is wrong i know this but verry close to what we want i will be building my next 1 tonight it will be close to that but center collector will be diffrent it will be 3 freqs not 2 as the 1 in the pic is the center collector will have many 28ga coper turns in 3 segments i will build this soon i cant run it tho unless some one comes up with a quick alternitive to the circuit like an class a audio amp and a laptop or somthing like that
Quote from: EMdevices on September 15, 2007, 01:05:57 PM
EM
Edit: thanks for that posting tao, do you think these people made a typo? " ..In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package...." I think they meant to say CENTER ,not CORE. :)
For the smaller TPU devices that are wrapped in black tape, but have no electronics in the center of the device, the control circuitry would have to be in the CORE-AREA...
I think that is what they are referring to.
Rough layout. The collector is one core of speaker wire or lamp wire not 2 and its not bifilair wound, twisted, pancaked tripled just wound and the ends go through the balun ONE turn. The balun is a ferrite ring, not plastic brass wood or a chocolate cookie. At this stage no need to worry about precise resonance can be sorted later so about 10 turns for collector is fine.
The control coils is 20 swg 100 turns for each. The crossover wiring may not be correct nor direction i think one control is wound anti clockise to the other but thats bench work.
The 1st control coil only goes to the balun 50 turns thin copper wire size TBA. Another balun winding 50 turns same size wire goes to Sig gen box and connected to the DC to 1 Meg or much higher Class A power amps MOSFET only DC couple vital least 3 watts. So the balun is mixing ONE collector, One control coil and One Sig gen box.
The output coil is an overlay coil 20 swg normally hundreds of turns over the entire TPU but for testing purpose 100 turn should be good enough to sniff the collector and maybe a diode on one side might be needed i not sure it might kill it. The output winding is floating the ends do not connect anywhere else except the load which should be a 60 watt lamp.
Don't forget the magnet or nothing will happen. Make sure you put fuses in the collector, kill switch etc. DONT touch the output wires to feel if anything coming out. LOL
Quote from: bolt on September 15, 2007, 12:21:39 PM
Worked out the answer now the reason is the number of baluns is = to the number of collectors. The more collectors you have the more you can put them in parallel to increase the current or series to increase the voltage. The first model had one collector and one balun. The baluns are absolutely critical together with the magnets. If you don't make a balun you cant split the load to provide impedance matching and phase shift and the loop will never ever work. All collectors must be of the same size and resonance. They are simply put into parallel to increase current handling but that can have other effects that need to be controlled. There must be a space between the collectors so cant sit one on top of the other. Thats why the 800 volt tpu is tall. The 2 ends pass through the balun to the sig gen box which is terminated by resonance cap. The secondary side of the balun connects 1st control coil only and primary side connects to the sig gen PA. The ratio of windings is critical to ensure phase and amount that is fed back to the loop. As the first control coil is injected with the right sine wave frequencies a part of this input is directed into the main collector and another part is sent to the first control coil. The oscillation is sent around the loop and back again but the control coil will prevent it returning on this position coil. The next harmonic is already sent out which is now ahead of the 1st control and speeds up the returning back wave. The 3rd harmonic is sent ahead to the 3rd coil which gives it the third boost. The process continues at control 1. So now we have a cold electron flow circulating the loop which is also cut to resonance. It important to realize that the sig gen box does not really participate after the first few seconds. When the frequencies are correct it will automatically into forward gain positive feedback. NOT back to the sig gen but on to the next control coil. This TPU will run itself just before it explodes and switching off the control box will not stop it if allowed to get that far. SO the harmonic of the second coil will arrive there twice as fast as the first one because the frequncy is higher and the wavelength is shorter. The use of three frequencies produces standing waves that exact math relationship to the size of the collector. In this concept there is no need for spark gaps, square waves and spikes. It appears to me so many went wrong with this making Bedini Coils with mosfet spike triggers and nothing could be further from how this works.
SM has very nearly spilled the beans on this risking his freedom and pay packet. He is right he has said far too much already. SM mentioned Bushwacker and Freedomfuel for getting close. Bushwacker dedicated most of his time working on the Hope device. IMO it will never work he is only making a cooker peizo coil but he was named because he was injecting AUDIO sine waves into his hope device. However the guy reads like a crank to me every post was about abductions and threats from MIB which i very much doubt they would be interested in his cooker coil. Freedomfuel was mentioned because of his excellent theory. He was bang on correct about how this works but for some reason i recon he saw the potential good and BAD and decided to walk away. But he deleted over 100 very critical posts and was leaps ahead of most other on here 12 months ago. For all i know he has a working model.
Hi Bolt,
Thanks for the drawing. That helps!
I still have some questions:
Why do the two ends pass through the balun?
So every control coil is not fed seperately?
Regards,
Robert
The collector is a loop antenna and we need the balun to pass the right amount of signal into the loop. If you look on the 800 volt tpu you see 2 white wires are the collector passing though. The coil is fed the other 2 are linked to it directly as shown. The harmonics will reach the others when they get there.
.... the ends go through the balun ONE turn. The balun is a ferrite ring, not plastic brass wood or a chocolate cookie.
HAHAHA...
I don,t know, maybe I,ll try it.
Is anyone getting any useful energy out of these yet? Have you guys gotten to the right setup?
Quote from: EMdevices on September 15, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Then, the tank circuits will be exicted by the natural magnetic Schumann resonance, but feed one output to the other for some additon of signals and feedback, the output might just go through the roof !!
EM
A five gallon bucket of used oil is a good thing to have ready :-X
@ Bolt
I hope, more than anything, that this works, as does GK, and the rest. What I find astounding, is that you have reached in three weeks, the same conclusion I had reached over many, many months in my Theory and experiment thread. If you never have read my thread in those three weeks, that would actually be even more of a confirmation, since we have come up with almost the exact theory of operation. But I give you Kudos and compliments, for in the "how to implement" you have done a marvelous job. (If and when it works! LOL)
Similarities in our thinking:
1. 7.3 Hz (though I have in researched different math, as to how to have that as a "beat" frequency. If this does not work, you may want to read the math on my thread, and try it with a 14.6 Hz difference to obtain the 7.3.
2. The use and tapping into "standing waves".
3. The use of Sine waves
4. The "audio" component
5. The "tuned loop circuit", which is where I was at last opportunity for research.
6. The "cutting" of the collector to "resonance" to "tune" it.
I take no credit for your theory, simply amazed someone else came to near identical thinking. It gives me great hope that this may actually work. I do hope that GK will wind a special coil to the specs that you have given, to test this with. We have high hopes.
I know that some see the SM TPU working "differently" then you have laid out here, or I, in my thread laid out, but no matter what, it will be a grand experiment! ;D
@ GK
"Remember the KILL switch! LOL ;) Good luck my friend!
High regards,
Bruce
I found these in my bins.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/D/A/C/7/DAC7541AJP.shtml (http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/D/A/C/7/DAC7541AJP.shtml)
Propagation delay of 100ns = 10 Mhz pulse, parallel loading.
Found one of these too:
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/U/A/F/4/UAF42AP.shtml (http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/U/A/F/4/UAF42AP.shtml)
And gobs of motor driver ICs from 40 amp motors down to miniature camera motors.
Just got curious about my dark inventory.
Got the 2 signal gens done and running. They needed bipolar supply. I have a +12v only. I look in my dark inventory and find 7660's. Amazing little bugger. Max is +10v. So I put a 7808 in place then the 7660 and viola. +-8v. Now have bipolar for xr2206 gens. Beautiful sine waves. xr2206 run very stable. Freq adj pots cranky. I could put the dac7541ajp's in to give 12 bit control. Hardwire the numbers I need, hehe. Fits the 12v operation.
Am jumping on the ad826 class A amps. Need dual supply here too. Will use previous +-8volt. 2 amps on 1 chip. I'll put the better channel separation in later using a 2nd 78L05 setup.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/A/D/8/2/AD826AN.shtml (http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/A/D/8/2/AD826AN.shtml)
http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html?20076 (http://www.geocities.com/leobodnar/audio_amplifiers.html?20076)
--giantkiller. Lots of analog here.
btentzer thanks for the heads up on your ideas too we must be heading the right way everything else has been tried there is not much left .. oh only triangle waves. LOL
GK your doing a great job on those boards. The class A amps are very greedy on the juice make sure use heat sink and the temp sense diodes must be done you cant skip that otherwise they turn into a molton blob on your desk. If you get stuck you might have to run the sig gens and amps off 2 little 12 volts yuasa batteries back to back to give you the dual supply and enough amps for the class A amps. It might seem an overkill but it has to be better to drive this with ease rather then risking any distortion and ruining the tests. You can of course test these amps on speakers first i bet they sound fantasic! DC to VHF :)
When SM started using tubes he would have had access to a good 2 or 3 watts of clean audio per channel so it makes sense.
In fact if you wanted to "play" you could jut try using the sig gens and just see if you can spot anything nice with clean sine waves. However you might also need to make a GK5 bigger and better to put control in the center as SM suggests but whatever you wont see anything decent without ferrite baluns and magnets.
analogue with steriods
Where do you guys get Steven Marks original/authentic writings from?
Thanks
@btentzer
ha!!!
you and your whole underground crew wait for someone else to do the work
ha!!!
sounds about your speed
ist
i managed to find some small feroitte rings you all think they are too small? they are 1" x .5" with a .5" hole in the centre
i found a video on youtube with a verry familiar voice we all know he was demonstrating a magnet motor purly mechanical verry neat ;)
if i come across it i will drop the link here
well i found the link listen to his voice sure sounds the same as sm in the tpu videos but if im wrong no loss it is a verry kool vid half way down this page
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/index.shtml
Quote from: innovation_station on September 16, 2007, 08:42:01 AM
@btentzer
ha!!!
you and your whole underground crew wait for someone else to do the work
ha!!!
sounds about your speed
ist
@ ist
Now, William, that was not very nice, nor true. I and others are doing great work. Also, GK is one of those. So try to play nice.
@ All
I agree completely with Mannix, that if this experiment is to have a hope of succeeding, it should also be duplicated with tubes, and see if there is a difference. IST and Mannix, both of you have tubes, why not conduct the same experiment and compare it with GK's results?
This is an experiment that more than one person should attempt...in my humble opinion.
@ Bolt
Perhaps you could put together a schematic of the controller with the help of Mannix and how it would look, using tubes. This would be a great help to some, who would like to experiment in that direction. Thanks!! This would give GK's results, lined up against another's results, using tubes. And we can really see if there is anything to our ideas, without feeling we missed the truth (conversion, catalyst) because we did not use tubes.
Cheers,
Bruce
Gothic, that is a great posting.Ã, thanks
Nice work GK and Mannix
@bruce
i apoligize but this is opensource
but i think we would have gotten further on this project if you and the rest would have continued to post public insted of hideing in the shadows
william
well i was going to build the 3 layor but insted i will build the one bolt posted like the sm 15 and the sm 17 my gages are not just right on the wire but it dosent matter this is to show what i finally see out of all this and if it is wrong then it is 1 less that some one will have to do
hummmm..... funny thing......
157" or 13'1" or 3.99999 m on a 4" tpu works out to exactly 10 turns just thought i would mention that
my new ring a quick pic i just threw it to gather i have not started the controls yet or the center coil
We are all brave in how we afford to step out and conquer.
--giantkiller. Building an army, one soldier at a time.
A few pages back I posted the graphs for ADDITION and MULTIPLICATION of two frequencies close to each other.
Now, if we apply a diode and extract the ENVELOPE of the ADDITION signals, what do we have?
Take a look.Ã, Ã, You see, we have our DC offset, and an AC component.Ã,Â
So if he uses 6 kHz, and 6.0075 kHz,Ã, Ã, The slow AC component will interact with the 7.5 Hz Schumann component and induce more power.Ã, The ripple will be one of about 6kHz, the working frequncy, and SM mentions it as "hash".
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on September 16, 2007, 01:08:07 PM
A few pages back I posted the graphs for ADDITION and MULTIPLICATION of two frequencies close to each other.
Now, if we apply a diode and extract the ENVELOPE of the ADDITION signals, what do we have?
Take a look. You see, we have our DC offset, and an AC component.
So if he uses 6 kHz, and 6.0075 kHz, The slow AC component will interact with the 7.5 Hz Schumann component and induce more power. The ripple will be one of about 6kHz, the working frequncy, and SM mentions it as "hash".
EM
Good point EM...
Guys,
If that 7.83 HZ of the Schumann is really involved in SM's TPUs, and I won't discount that at all, then Marco's experiment should be one of your highest order references for figuring out how SM taped the Schumann!
Marco's Dancing Magnets..........http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2814.0.html
I've been playing with my newest TPU and I probably mentioned this before, but at certain frequencies of resonance (or standing wave)Ã, it seems to interact withÃ, another signal, or maybe with its delayed self (after going round once or more)
Anyway, a very interesting phenomena happens as I'm watching it on the oscilloscope.Ã, As I approach the resonant frequency,Ã, all of a sudden the FREQUENCY starts to plumet toward DC !!! (on one of the coils only I belive), then as I move the frequency knob of my AC source, it starts to come back to what it should be.Ã, Ã, On the other coil I can see the resonant build in AMPLITUDE, but frequency is stable.Ã, Ã, Very weird !!!Ã, Ã,Â
It's a very intersting frequency shifting phenomena that I've only seen happen in circular tracks, possible interference with Schumann?Ã, With the signal itself? with both?Ã, Is this the conversion? Is this a mixer of sorts?
EM
Sweet stuff!
@Steven M.,
I think I stumbled. 8) :o ;) :)
@Bolt,
I hooked the 2 sig gens to my Bose acoustic radiator. Thanks.
@all,
I went to the next step after theory into virtuality and created 2 tpus. A 4 foot and an 8 foot with sound waves. These are the distances where the rogue waves appear. Yep. Sure sounds like a TPU running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkjMPZZqgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkjMPZZqgQ)
http://www.youtube.com/v/JgkjMPZZqgQ (http://www.youtube.com/v/JgkjMPZZqgQ)
--giantkiller. AFB( another freak bomb)! Would you expect anything less?
Looks like the videos are processing....
The lurker waits! 8)
btentzer sorry there isn't a schematic. No one knows for sure till its working at this time only an experimenters frame work which might open new possibles and i have already outlined this in my recent posts and sketches. Basically you need to make a big enough tpu to work comfortably inside the loop. You need precision frequency generators, very high slew quality op amps with DC to 1 Meg+ mosfet audio amp for sine wave work. I strongly suggest you make a 2 collector tpu with 6 control coils ie 3 for each, 2 baluns pre wound with 3 windings of 50 turns each per balun ready for testing all combinations. This will be how i would proceed and everything else is test and learn and record wiring configs of control coils etc. The first stage is find strange heating effects or large spectacular waveforms showing up on the scope when at least 3 control coils are injected. Then try 6 controls over 2 collectors and see what happens. Try adding diodes to each, changing the collector capacitor etc its all trial an error. Eventually there will be power if this has any chance of working. When there is power then work out how to configue the balun to inject a portion of the power back into the loop. Change windings, cross them twist a bit, add caps, diodes etc to see if it needs to be siphoned off. Once we get feedback from a coil already showing powerful signals then overunity should come next but there is still many weeks/months work to do yet.
So in the meantime tubes is rather like asking me to make a Linux version when i don't even have an idea of the windows version yet and its been some years since i touched EL84's EL80's and EZ80's tubes etc. but i have to agree tubes are nice IF your used to working with them and have plenty of experience which probably makes you least 45+ years old. For younger people then i see no advantage as the finished TPU is going to be SD's anyway so you might as well get used to each quirks.
and where is this "power" coming from again?
Why would SM have two baluns in a three-collector ring? Perhaps two baluns equals four control coils.
you KNOW where this power comes from;)
I don't know if there are any 3 collector rings. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet. All the early models are 1 collector 1 balum, Later models are 2 balun 2 collector including 800 volt tpu. All the extra collectors do is very simple
1) Add more current capability by placing them in parallel.
2) Add more voltage when in series.
Stop the damn half-cocked BS until you at least read SM's letters to Mannix.
SM said three collectors!!! NOT TWO!!!
If you don't see anything with one, don't bother going to three.
How do you know those "balluns" are just toroidal transformers stepping up voltage.
As for where to power comes from - it was concluded about 2 years ago that SM was not positively sure that it came from the earth's magnetic field. If the TPU was a device after the work of Tesla's RE, then SM would know that it was RE being utilized. If the devices were using the Schumann Resonance's then SM would know that too.
Quote from: bolt on September 16, 2007, 07:12:58 PM
I don't know if there are any 3 collector rings. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
In the one that got cutted, i can clearly see 3 on top.
For the buttom, i can say i am 100% sure, but i guess there are 3 too.
Colors differences for both area look about the same size.
there are clearly 2 diffrent modles this is the big modle or the 15/17 models they will be easyer to understand than the smaller ones on the smaller ones our balumes are top and bottom as i currently think yes 3 collectors but 2 are for self powering propouses the center one is for out put
in this model when we strike the right cord inside our controls they produce high speed ripples that push aginst mother nature and when she pushes back we trap it and recycle some of it back through the ring this is how i see it
i found a 4 ohm 2 w sterio amp inside a set of computer speekers i will try to use it to send my 3 freqs into my balium i wound it 50 turns input and 50turns output and almost finished my 4" unit but it is too small i can only get 50 turn controls i used 22 ga it was all i could find
a pic l8r when i finish it
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on September 16, 2007, 10:41:40 PM
there are clearly 2 diffrent modles...
I would not be so sure about this.
how thick would be 3 turns of a single lead of lamp wire when the insulation is replace with electrical tape ?
I posted the video to show the phase matching that happens at resonant distances.This can happen in audio or any other frequency levels. We know that. Sound, liquids, materials, magnetic, gravity, light. You name it. Thump steel and it crumbles. Use sound to resonate glass and it shatters. So I could then switch my output device from an acoustic transmitter to a magnetic transmitter. Digitally, I REPEAT, digitally control the wave output. At least with Audio I can hear the output and know the transmission speed. With the magnetic transmission I don't know squat. And I'm sitting in the field? I don't light up my life any more. So I thought I would experiment with the audio first to debug the operation. Thank you, Bolt. A refreshing stroke of genius. I could have used a radio too. Thank you, Mannix. But the amazing thing is to be in the field and move the microphone in and out from the center. I did not get hurt. Try that with magnetics!
So today I achieved the steps that were outlined by Bolt. And not only that but a far better understanding of the rogue waves. And it only took a week. I consider that pretty good stats for being the only one on the planet doing this. RFC.
So now I have a very good handle on wave production. I could simply take a microphone patched to a protoboard and see on the scope what amplitude shows up at what distances. Pretty obvious. But I can take that signal and route it back into the xr2206 sig gens for a physical space VCO. I can build this whole thing testing with audio safely. And then switch over to magnetic transmission. We can iron out the number of devices later. Right now I am guaranteed the number of stages. We have come very far in the last 3 weeks. So I choose not to bite the hand that feeds me for I received more than just crumbs but whole loaves and for that I can't embellish enough thanks.
It is all very safe and that is more than I can say about the previous experiments where all the builders have blown themselves up.
Cheers are in order, my friends.
http://www.bose.com/controller;jsessionid=BCkD1DhZ9F10CkvXLQj8zU3s7uN5vIP1oCbk8sJMlT8SKvB2oXVg!643527820!-1915396732?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&linksource=centernav_img_musicians&pageName=/index_2.jsp (http://www.bose.com/controller;jsessionid=BCkD1DhZ9F10CkvXLQj8zU3s7uN5vIP1oCbk8sJMlT8SKvB2oXVg!643527820!-1915396732?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&linksource=centernav_img_musicians&pageName=/index_2.jsp)
--giantkiller. I march on...
OBTW: It is not the circular pathway of the circumference length. But the radial distance where the coppers lies at the resonant distance. Any size coil will work. We are merely catching the rogue wave! Surfs up, dudes. Whooohoo! I posted this over a year ago. What a long strange trip it's been. There's your TPU operation.
Quote"About the collector: It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved."
QuoteAs my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.
Higher frequencies are actually the real catalyst...
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third. When you eventually strike the cord look out. You will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord. Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference. There is no such thing as a small lightning strike
.
Putting the 3rd freq in is Sooooooooo obvious now. I will build the 3rd freq gen and put it into another Bose channel. It will cause no damage to the Bose because the impact will be at a radial distance and not the center! OMG! And that is why the center works. Simply elegant.
The fun is getting better.
--giantkiller.
almost done here is the pic just have to wire up the controls
is
tell me if it is wrong so i know anyone??
Quote from: innovation_station on September 17, 2007, 12:26:06 AM
almost done here is the pic just have to wire up the controls
is
tell me if it is wrong so i know anyone??
Very impressive. Apply the sine waves and lets see what you got going there. In the first attempt the balun is the pickup. The object is to drive the resonant fields to meet at the center. The compression will give higher power value. That is one way to do it. You should try to drive it from the center and see what appears on the outer ring.
Be careful.
--giantkiller. I just love what you've done with those cable ties.
cable ties quick n dirty i love it
well i guess i need a diode on the input from my amped 3 freqs well maby even 2 diodes both going the same way and we need to bleed off the cap with a resistor back into the input no? and some oput put leads ;D
since my collector wire was 13'1" i know its freq is 7.5 right so 2 freqs left and some more wireing
hummmm.... tomorrow ;)
ist
IS nice looking coil i think your cap is much too big use 0.1uf film cap or poly non polarized its hanging on the collector loop and will be subjected to extreme stresses and electrolytic may explode.
GK excellent work i think your doing the things about purity to understand how this works that SM suggested over a year ago.
Grumpy stop being so grumpy. If you think it needs one 2 or 3 then do it on your design but im telling you in MY opinion ONE collector ONE balun to mix. Incidentally until such time there is the correct feedback loop done on the TPU i see the risk as low because it cant run out of control with the sine power going in. However the effects of the forced feeding should still be seen. Not to say even this testing could suddenly give such a massive kick you will know!
Once this is looped around the ballun and fed back to the input then and only then does this turn into a serious hazard but in any all cases collector fuses are the absolute minimal to prevent the entire thing suddenly shrinking then pouring with smoke and flames before you even get chance to lean over and turn off the PSU.
Tell me more -- in detail!
Mark.
Quote from: EMdevices on September 16, 2007, 01:43:51 PM
I've been playing with my newest TPU and I probably mentioned this before, but at certain frequencies of resonance (or standing wave) it seems to interact with another signal, or maybe with its delayed self (after going round once or more)
Anyway, a very interesting phenomena happens as I'm watching it on the oscilloscope. As I approach the resonant frequency, all of a sudden the FREQUENCY starts to plumet toward DC !!! (on one of the coils only I belive), then as I move the frequency knob of my AC source, it starts to come back to what it should be. On the other coil I can see the resonant build in AMPLITUDE, but frequency is stable. Very weird !!!
It's a very intersting frequency shifting phenomena that I've only seen happen in circular tracks, possible interference with Schumann? With the signal itself? with both? Is this the conversion? Is this a mixer of sorts?
EM
Okie Dokie 8)
thaelin
If you want a nonlinear frequency modulator then you dont have to look further than a collector that can exhibit magnetostriction. You need a magnetic bias for this (in the collector) -- the best bias is generated by the lowest frequency magnetoacoustic resonance the collector supports -> So you now have a magnetic bias generated in a very efficent manner (resoannce). Now kick it with one of the higher harmonics -- as the magnetoacoustic resonant frequency is dependant on the level of the magnetic bias you get a non-linear modulation happening. The best way to kick it is with a fast rising edge -- of course you see sine wave resoances as a result but you *wont* see anything if you try driving with a sine wave: and no, this is not theory it's from first hand experience.
Just because resonance implies sine waves that doesnt mean you have to drive with sine waves... and once you get non-linear modulation going you get distortion of the sine waves... which is exactly what you expect if it's one part of the cycle where the "free energy" comes from! If you get the right setup then the signal modulation can also cascade -- a good thing if you want an energy gain. Once running you dont need a pulse drive -- in feedback mode your only concern is controlling it and preventing runaway.
Back to experiments...
Mark.
IS i think its extremely unlikely to get this to work off standard audio amplifiers. The bandwidth is too limited rolling off below 20 Hz and already rolled off by 25k plus the distortion is too high. Need DC to 1 meg + because i feel sure these frequencies could be up well over 100k on the small coils.
Here is a thought for you though. If there is no need for active or passive delays or switching between the control coils which i don't think there is then it may be possible to inject all 3 frequencies into the 3 control coils at the same time. Simply bring all 3 control coils to one amplifier wired in parallel as loudspeakers! SO by driving one control coil simply parallel the other 2 off the driven coil. If im right its the difference of the 3 signals will create constructive waves at 120 degrees and canceling waves in between the control coils providing the rotation. On the other hand better control may be seen with 3 amplifiers in the test stages but its vital the amps and setup to provide EXACTLY the same amplitude. Calibrate them first by driving from a 1kz tone same source and check on scope to ensure the bias current and output sine and hight or identical. Check again at 10 Hz 50k and 250k
Again as reflecting back to my earlier post the sig gen is only the precursor. Its passive to the loop not active in other words the oscillators nor PA's are not controlling the actually generated currents otherwise the small tpu's would have had control boxes with huge heat sinks on them to handle 150 volts and 80 amps core currents rather like a conventional switch mode PSU. Clearly this is not the case. Please bear this in mind when trying different layouts. The black magic twist to all these could be the way the current is collected from the core once its produced. Its already been said this is a cold current and may be collected in an unusual manor. This is where diodes may play a part to extract this but would normally defy logic ie a diode the wrong way or shunting to ground.
Mark as soon as we go back to pulses we go back to the dark ages of the last 12 months. In addition the tpu starts to generate EMP pulses rather then gentle flowing but powerful mag waves. Once we start making EMP you get whacked and headaches and cant touch the tpu again then you need to put it back in the cage! If the TPU really did work like that then you would never be able to handle them let alone one putting out 800 volts at 1 amp and put your hands over the coils. It would also mean every TPU would require a health warning sticker like
" Warning, this TPU can seriously damage your health. Only operate when persons are at least 20 yards away"
You can have extremely powerful rotating magnetic waves like laying inside an MRI machine because there is NO EMP.
Hey! Im a full member now :)
at one point i wondered if an antenna amp would do the job just a RF booster but i don't have any of those right now but saw they were cheep alto i don't know what kind of bandwith they can handle
I'm sure more than an audio amp tho
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@bolt
ah but where is your tpu elite title??? lol!!!
well I'm gonna build a bigger one so it is essayer to work on and play with also hopefully i can lower my freq to work within some of the amps and stuff i already have
i was thinking of a 14" is there a reason there is the 15 the 17 models not the 16 and the 14 hum if the size dosnot matter then i will go with 14 cuz i have a circle of wood that exact size quick n easy ;)
anyone know how i could use the 6bq7a tube i have as a low wattage high freq peramp? i only need 1 amp in this freq range the comp amp could do the lower freq and i just need 1 more amp for the middle freq a twisted way to do it but might just be in reach for ME :)
Yep i should have started my own thread.
The real way to make a TPU! LOL
Quote from: giantkiller on September 16, 2007, 11:12:12 PM
So now I have a very good handle on wave production. I could simply take a microphone patched to a protoboard and see on the scope what amplitude shows up at what distances. Pretty obvious. operation.
GK,
You are observing the acoustical standing waves - every room is different...
I know you know this - but has it occurred to you...
-Duff
@Duff,
Yessir. But in this obliquely shaped environment I walk around and at 8 foot distance the standing wave still exists in same temper. There are other small ones at other distances.
In the tpu the oscillator and the collection are in the same physical space so the environment would cause little interferance. The standing wave will still happen magnetically at what ever distance we desire. The circumference length will also work to our advantage. Even though the field strength lessens at distance we just add more collector windings to compensate. We can also beef up the transmitting oscillators. Still, any size will work. And anything that needs a battery.
Or maybe the SM17 works from the outside to the center. That way the compression field hits the controls in the center. And in all the TPUs there is no control components in dead center. They are all offset. ;)
--giantkiller. We be screamin' now.
Im trying to visualize the process involved in a simple manor although mathematically would probably fill a few pages to explain the process. However we have to see what might be happening in order to sustain a virtual rotary magnetic engine. Lets assume the engine is already up to speed so whats happening here? As the wave pulse passes through the first coil there is a flow of electrons not magnetic so its induced on the control coil. This energy oscillate between the control coil and the balun where the other control coils will see this wave because they are all in an electro magnetic connection through the balun. The three frequencies have already established the timing around the loop because in a 360 degree turn they will be 120 degrees apart. In addition the 2 other coils which are not receiving a pulse will have collapsed there fields and reversed magnetic polarity so N S polarity is now opposite. So now the ferrite produces a wave in contra to the outside loop as a repulsion effect As the outside loop wave is pushed faster towards the next control coil the second control coil is already self timed due to the balun pulse rotating in the opposite direction which has a localized effect against the magnet. Now this impulse will now couple from the first control coil through the balun and back out towards the second control coil. As the wave passes through it then it accelerated with the same dynamics of a solenoid and accelerate the impulse wave still faster. This process continues but is also locked harmonically to the collector frequency. The collective frequency is also important because it must maintain a front edge of interference which is either 90 or 270 degrees in phase with the inbound wave. When they are in phase this produces a constructive wave and the collector absorbs this power. The magnetic field of the collector expands larger on this cycle and absorbs more energy of the field. So its a two way street, the more power the collector absorbs the larger the magnetic field grows around the coil and the more energy the coil collects. So the absorption process will only occur will we remain in phase. I believe therefore the speed is finite magnetically either at the fundamental or a harmonic of 7.5 Hz however the phasing of the magnetic field is not the same as the speed of the electrons racing round the collector coil which are in constant acceleration. Im thinking these just get so fast they fly off and impound themselves to the over wound coil which feed these to the load.
In practice the losses of the cabling due to the resistance makes it a lossy circuit or one that doesn't readily want to run out of control. So the sig gen box is gently nudging the circuit to keep going while slightly out of full resonance. All this has to do is inject our 3 frequencies on to the balun through a winding and they will automatically start effecting the control coils to produce the motion. This is why SM often rubs a magnet near the outside control coils if the TPU is being lazy as this kick start the process. We all know that if allowed to run out of control the collector absorbs massive amounts of energy which keeps producing larger magnetic fields until there is so much current flowing around the loop it vaporises with the energy equivalent to a bolt of lightning. The length of wiring to the balun will also play a critical part and the balun must be in the centre of the collector as it has it own localized field which runs the opposite way to the collector. If the balun is outside of the collector the magnetic field produced by the collector will destroy this localized field and thus the feedback is killed.
can i use that single tube to amp all 3 freqs?
if so hummmm....... let the fun begin ;D
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In theory yes. It looks like one amp can support the 3 frequencies and i think the entire circuit is self timing like running your finger around a wine glass till it sings. Just need the sig gen to get it going and the correct balance of turns on the balun. An EL80 tube should produce 3 or 4 watts of nice sine waves. The nice thing about tubes is if the circuit is wrong it mostly just smokes out a resistor LOL. Anyway nothing more can be done till GK reports back with some findings.
Quote from: bolt on September 17, 2007, 12:34:03 PM
In theory yes. It looks like one amp can support the 3 frequencies and i think the entire circuit is self timing like running your finger around a wine glass till it sings. Just need the sig gen to get it going and the correct balance of turns on the balun. An EL80 tube should produce 3 or 4 watts of nice sine waves. The nice thing about tubes is if the circuit is wrong it mostly just smokes out a resistor LOL. Anyway nothing more can be done till GK reports back with some findings.
Yes. I was thinking about the 1 oscillator and 3 freqs. But then it occured to me that the GK4 and ECD were pushing 3 freqs onto 1 line just seperated by coils. But one conductor. Either way it still produces the mag fields and the harmonics which occur in space at certain distances.
3 freqs can be connected to a single opamp as a summing amplifier. Then there is only one connection to the coil.
I meant to imply here that it can be built either way. The flexibility was always there.
I am thinking this is a preliminary step to the particle accelerator function of the total operation.
Referring to the graphic: In the top coils(yellow) the freqs(blue) are too fast. In the bottom the freqs are almost right on.
3rd gen built and tested. Triple sinewaves! I'm stoked! I hook to acoustic radiator next. TPU pitbull latched on. Why? Because I can and I must! Wooohaha(crazed laugh).
--giantkiller. Small steps are ok. But giant ones are better!
@bolt
Since 'balun' stands for 'balanced/unbalanced' and they are simply transformers made to connect balanced to unblanced loads/sources and match unequal impedances. Do you have an idea which part is balanced and unbalanced?
@GK
Rogue waves are fun - magnetic or otherwise. When you have three meeting to produce the rogue the amount of power and the sound of the tri-tone is amazing but only if each signal is alone on its speaker. Otherwise the same tone is there but there is no body.
yes the loop collector is balanced with very low impedance and the signals are unbalanced high impedance. The balun also provides a mixer function.
Quote from: BEP on September 17, 2007, 03:33:36 PM
@bolt
Since 'balun' stands for 'balanced/unbalanced' and they are simply transformers made to connect balanced to unblanced loads/sources and match unequal impedances. Do you have an idea which part is balanced and unbalanced?
@GK
Rogue waves are fun - magnetic or otherwise. When you have three meeting to produce the rogue the amount of power and the sound of the tri-tone is amazing but only if each signal is alone on its speaker. Otherwise the same tone is there but there is no body.
I totally understand that. But in the field of a BOSE acoustic radiator is immensely different. This is the most amazing piece of equip I have ever experienced. This is a test before I plug the signals to the turbo coil.
GK when you tuning up the tpu it would help to leave a tiny bit of audio tapped off through resistor dividers then a cap for safety for DC isolation and fed into your hi fi then you will know when you are in a phase locked situation with time as you learn exactly what the sound is like when favorable. Also if you are eager to press with some testing just make one audio amp then calibrate and test the bandwidth from DC to 500k. Then feed in three sines and try this into your tpu.
Thaelin,
the image looks to me like a 3:1 unbalanced autotransformer thereby giving an impedance transformation of 9:1. It is definitely not a balun since there is no BALanced to UNbalanced transformation taking place.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: Thaelin on September 17, 2007, 06:56:52 AM
@ All:
Well I just had to go play in Balun land for a while and found a 9 to 1 balun. See the attached photo and see why I jumped out of the chair a bit. Plays with the mind.
thaelin
Quote from: bolt on September 17, 2007, 04:01:11 PM
yes the loop collector is balanced with very low impedance and the signals are unbalanced high impedance. The balun also provides a mixer function.
So I could make one out of iron wire as a base and wrap 4 coils on it to what ever combinations I need for a passive configuration
or use a summing opamp as an impedance matching input to output with gain. If I was to stick with active components.
--giantkiller.
This is Whamma jamma shweet! Without changing the volume and only by changing the 3rd freq of 44hz I can vibrate the house! I believe I could bring this ediface down. I can also by changing the 3rd freq minutely change the resonant distance and have it perform at the structural part of the house or in mid air.
OMG this is insane. Who put me up to this? I am taking names. I wonder if my house insurance covers this. This can't be good for the sheet rock.
Now if only I was pushing copper...
--giantkiller. Strictly mad scientist moment!
The input impedance to the power amp is already extremely high due to the buffer op amp and there is plenty of drive from the sig gens. So you can try just putting on three 1uf caps from the sig gens to amp then calibrate each sig gen so that each one set to 1 k provides the exact same amplitude. The check again at 10 hz and 250k. You may get roll off on the extremes but it will be more hassle at this time to build a summing amp as you have spit rails on different voltages. Have to keep an eye on the control coil resistance too cos if you drive those directly there are two potential problems. First the resistance may only be 2 ohms although the mos fet should handle that keep a close eye on current. Second the output is DC coupled and you might have a problem with back emf ringing into the PA. If you think this is happening place a 10 ohm 2 watt series resistor inline a damper and reduce the drive current. DOnt use wire wound here though as it will act as a choke. Well anything can happen its a case for suck it and see.
Add : Feed the three sig gens into a 500k volume pot via the 3 caps and take wiper to amplifier. Then when levels are calibrated you then have a master volume control which you might need to adjust to get the tpu doing something. Remember that pot on SM's tpu? I bet thats just a volume control LOL
Things are good so far.
So we are working down to a 1 channel amp config here.
Just completed last step. The low speed warble and phase shifting is incredible.
I have the heterodyne signal on the scope. The house sounds like the signal in the movie 'Contact'. :D 8)
And my dogs are freaked out!
But I have a pretty good idea what the TPU sounds like in operation. And that is the one thing that SM never showed. Would have been a dead give away.
The vibration was the low end heterodyne output. Whoooaaoaoaaoaoa!
Got universe...
TPU sings #5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHSZc7UGL28
Because the coupling is capacitive('No current' like Earl said) then the coil should drive for rampup. In other words the coil interfaces naturally magnetic and not artificially pressured. Magnetic flexing should provide the necessary current for full power conversion after that. Does anybody else see that? I think I just filled my rubber pants. Ya know I've said that before and great strides were made.
With the BOSE acoustic radiator I am not flexing the magnetic surroundings but only air. The next step is emminent.
I am the only one with a ceramic acoustic radiator performing these experiments. It provides a crystal clear audio environment in 3d. What are the odds of that?
Sure beats blowin' shit up! Eh?
-giantkiller. We practice with audio then push copper. Suzy bake oven then microwave. Too stinkin' cool. I could take tomorrow off if someone says 'Go'?
No you achieved a lot now take a break. You already built up those boards in record time. Time for reflect then begin some testing later.
I think my house is exhausted....
--giantkiller.
Good work GK,
so you are exploring beat interference effects with sound waves. That sound is awsome !! I love it.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on September 17, 2007, 08:47:23 PM
Good work GK,
so you are exploring beat interference effects with sound waves. That sound is awsome !! I love it.
EM
Yep.
Sure is a safer way to get kicks. ;)
--giantkiller.
@bolt
If GK recorded a very hires pure sample of his sound could it be fed into the collectors directly from an audio source and work?
also what part of the a TPU could be made of a peice of copper in principle, maybe someone could draw what the simplest configuration would look like.
I know we are waiting on GK's test but it would be interesting.
Acerzw
Here a sad note ,Ernie , member Vortex 1 [ION at other forums] passed on yesterday ...Poyntwrote some nice words
here https://overunity.com/18485/ernie-aka-ion-vortex-vince-sherlockholmes-will-be-deeply-missed/msg545620/#new
Thanks to Stefan for opening this old board
a very sad day...hopefully Ernie has finally found the FE...
Respectfully Chet K