Dear All.
Well someone had to do it !! So here you are.
I have recently had the second amended schematic turned into a PCB format. This work was very generously done by one of our members Groundloop.
I am placing the folder here for any of you that might like to take a stab at the photo etching yourselves.
Please find attached the schematic that was used for the conversion.
So what are we waiting for ??
Cheers Grum.
Moving on.
This firm can supply all kinds of Ferrite products.
http://powermagnetics.co.uk/calculator
From this very handy inductance calculator you can move to the shop and view the products that are available.
Today I received ETD49-CF139 TIMES 2 And 1 by ETD49-90794-20P. All under £10.00 inc shipping !! Probably dearer for other countries!!
I decided to go with a gapless core as it is easier to make a gap than fill one !! See attached photo.
eBay may also be another source for these items ??
All that is needed now is a little luck and a few Pounds, Dollars, Yen, Euros !! You get the picture ?? :)
Cheers Grum.
Good!
But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.
Quote from: leonirz on March 06, 2014, 12:44:44 PM
Good!
But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.
Dear leonirz.
I wholeheartedly agree, but so little is known about the coil configuration with this one!! At least the transformer for the 30 W version is fairly conventional !!?? But even this may have a special way of winding. Remember the GeoFusion transformer with it's little air gaps ?? I got some strange results by just having a winding placed across the gap !!
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: leonirz on March 06, 2014, 12:44:44 PM
Good!
But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.
Leonirz,
i tried, but it won't oscillate, not with the parts i used and the big unknown of the make up of the coils, see here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2227.msg36309#msg36309
I contacted Akula, but never got a response, so its a dead end.
Regards itsu
Grum
This device as quite complicated. It is boost converter 12V to 15V with two comparators watching input voltage ! and the voltage drop after load ! Without proper method of adjustment will be very hard to make it self-running EVEN with correct schematic."We need an electronic guru to check if I'm right but I feel I'm very close. I need more time to build device but I'm very entusiastic because circuit with xname41 modifications looks very legit for me. Hopefully there is not much variations to check ![/font][/size]
Quote from: forest on March 06, 2014, 01:18:58 PM
Grum
This device as quite complicated. It is boost converter 12V to 15V with two comparators watching input voltage ! and the voltage drop after load ! Without proper method of adjustment will be very hard to make it self-running EVEN with correct schematic."We need an electronic guru to check if I'm right but I feel I'm very close. I need more time to build device but I'm very entusiastic because circuit with xname41 modifications looks very legit for me. Hopefully there is not much variations to check ![/font][/size]
Dear Itsu and forest.
Great to have you Guys on board !! Your input will be greatly appreciated !!
I have attached a rather fuzzy close up of the transformer. But to me there does not seem to be the turns that are stated on the schematic ??
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Dear Itsu and forest.
Great to have you Guys on board !! Your input will be greatly appreciated !!
I have attached a rather fuzzy close up of the transformer. But to me there does not seem to be the turns that are stated on the schematic ??
Cheers Grum.
The red arrows are going in the wrong direction. You have to look at the wire that is applied first not the wire at the end/top of the coil windings.
It may not matter as long as you wind them in opposite directions from each other.
Is the core with gap (add spacer) or no gap?
Size of core: Width? Length?
Size/gauge of wire?
Number of turns?
Let's at least all start with similar sizes.
DonL
Quote from: dllabarre on March 06, 2014, 02:08:34 PM
The red arrows are going in the wrong direction. You have to look at the wire that is applied first not the wire at the end/top of the coil windings.
It may not matter as long as you wind them in opposite directions from each other.
Is the core with gap (add spacer) or no gap?
Size of core: Width? Length?
Size/gauge of wire?
Number of turns?
Let's at least all start with similar sizes.
DonL
Dear Don.
Welcome.
I borrowed the picture from the main Kapanadze thread !! The arrows were already there.
I have bought these cores. Ferrite ETD core (ungapped).
Manufacturer: Cosmo Ferrites.
Material Grade CF139 (Equivalent to Cosmo CF138, Ferroxcube 3C90 and TDK PC44).
Price is for a half core - (I.e. you will need to order 2 pieces to form a pair)
Dimensions:
Length: 48.5mm
Width: 16.7mm
Height: 24.9mm
Wt: 58g
Magnetic Characteristics:
uiac = 2100
AL Value = 4100
(+ 30% / -20%)
I hope this helps ??
Cheers Grum.
Number of turns in original schematic was marked as 15 primary and 45 secondary using 0.75 mm wire diameter. Also there is shield of 1 turn not closed copper mentioned. The most important part is the comment from Akula on Russian forum before time when others ridiculed and irritated him. He said Melnichenko is the key and the good inside look of how electrons can be moved in circuit. It confirms my feeling that electrons are not the source of electric current, but that's too much guessing for now. For me the schematic part which uses both comparators inside tl494 chip is a strong tip for reliability of method. Somehow Akula expect voltage rise on input capacitor C11 and need comparator to limit that value to the safe operating condition. The second case is watching voltage drop across load in this case probably it continously check for zero voltage difference between ground and the point just after bank of diodes. If each diode drop 3V then it has merit,hmm.... I really like to see more experienced electronic gurus to validate that.
Quote from: forest on March 06, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
Number of turns in original schematic was marked as 15 primary and 45 secondary using 0.75 mm wire diameter. Also there is shield of 1 turn not closed copper mentioned. The most important part is the comment from Akula on Russian forum before time when others ridiculed and irritated him. He said Melnichenko is the key and the good inside look of how electrons can be moved in circuit. It confirms my feeling that electrons are not the source of electric current, but that's too much guessing for now. For me the schematic part which uses both comparators inside tl494 chip is a strong tip for reliability of method. Somehow Akula expect voltage rise on input capacitor C11 and need comparator to limit that value to the safe operating condition. The second case is watching voltage drop across load in this case probably it continously check for zero voltage difference between ground and the point just after bank of diodes. If each diode drop 3V then it has merit,hmm.... I really like to see more experienced electronic gurus to validate that.
I am going to cross-link my post - http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36665#msg36665 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36665#msg36665)
Also I do not see any benefit of comparators/etc as there is only single coil driving transistor with NO feedback to the chip. The return path you see in circuit is only logic switch then capacitor c5 is charged and doing nothing after when ciruit is running as 10 microF capacity is way high value for high frequency circuit.
The secondary L2 coil is attached to the plus side of circuit and is being voltage stabilised to 12V with filtered high frequency as well.
Cheers!
I saw in the video there was a gap in the core .....right side only????
Can someone who is Russian speaking inform Akula about this thread in his honour?
If he wants to contribute in Russian it is fine.
We respect him here.
Hi All,
One weird thing with him is Akula0083: Questions about the technical issues related to the circuit diagram upload his, he will not answer, he can only for the purpose of performing his device, which has no intention to support people replicate it! . . :(
Hi all
what is this mean ?
Quote from: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Hi all
what is this mean ?
Hi,
I think It must be a rectangular metal plate positioned to a certain, a few cm distance from coil L2. I believe there is a capacitive coupling between this plate and the coil, often the angle of this plate is varied with respect to the axis of the coil to get some "tuning" effect and also change EM coupling between the plate and the coil, and often this plate performs energy output taken from the EM field around the coil (most often the coil is a HV coil). I know that this "plate" in this schematic goes to the negative ground, so in this case no energy output is taken from it.
I have seen such plates positioned near to Tesla coils in some Russian youtube videos.
Gyula
Quote from: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Hi all
what is this mean ?
It is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
Quote from: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Hi all
what is this mean ?
One turn of tape of cuper, not closed turn. Standart ecran turn.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 07, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
I remove not important, not needed parts in this circuit.
Dear MenofFather.
Welcome !! :)
I have rather hurriedly created an image of what I think T-1000 was writing about yesterday as regards the transformer winding.
Comments ??
Cheers Grum.
Dear all.
Just as a "by the way". See what happens when you put a coil across a split in a transformer core !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPV89JWVdtY
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 02:31:52 PM
Dear MenofFather.
Welcome !! :)
I have rather hurriedly created an image of what I think T-1000 was writing about yesterday as regards the transformer winding.
Comments ??
Cheers Grum.
Image maybe corect, but I think possible standart wound, but who knowhs...
:-\
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit. The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's?? USA
Thanks ahead of time for your help..
E6
PS.. It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..
Quote from: elementSix on March 07, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit. The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's?? USA
Thanks ahead of time for your help..
E6
PS.. It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..
1 = LM7812 Voltage regulator, input (to the right in drawing) up to approx. 35 Volt, output (to the left in drawing) 12 Volt, max. 1 Amp.
2 = 0,22 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
3 = 1 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
4 = 1 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
5 = 7 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
GL.
Quote from: Groundloop on March 07, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
1 = LM7812 Voltage regulator, input (to the right in drawing) up to approx. 35 Volt, output (to the left in drawing) 12 Volt, max. 1 Amp.
2 = 0,22 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
3 = 1 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
4 = 1 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
5 = 7 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
GL.
Dear Groundloop.
Many thanks!! I was just about to post, and a refresh showed that you had already done it !! What is interesting is that those components have been marked for some reason ?? ???
ElementSix, welcome !! :). I think the cores are just a standard type, see here, http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353
Good luck, Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 03:43:53 PM
Dear Groundloop.
Many thanks!! I was just about to post, and a refresh showed that you had already done it !! What is interesting is that those components have been marked for some reason ?? ???
ElementSix, welcome !! :) . I think the cores are just a standard type, see here, http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353)
Good luck, Cheers Grum.
From what I can see the markings correspond to the Watts of each resistor.
1 mark = 1 Watt
2 marks = 2 Watts.
DonL
Quote from: dllabarre on March 07, 2014, 04:03:41 PM
From what I can see the markings correspond to the Watts of each resistor.
1 mark = 1 Watt
2 marks = 2 Watts.
DonL
Dear Don.
Yes I see !! I had not thought of that !! Good observation, together we will crack this !!
Cheers Grum.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-IC-TL494IN-TL494-NEW-/300583653092 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-IC-TL494IN-TL494-NEW-/300583653092)
I don't know why you want the IN version though. Why not use the CN version?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-TL494CN-TL494-PWM-Power-Supply-Controllers-IC-TEXAS-/320650810136 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-TL494CN-TL494-PWM-Power-Supply-Controllers-IC-TEXAS-/320650810136)
I've ordered parts from the latter vendor several times and I am completely happy. Free shipping and from Colorado, he's an outlet for the Chinese factories. Usually takes four or five days for the order to arrive here in TX.
ETA: This latter vendor also has a very good price for the IRF3205 mosfets, the 7812 VR, etc. Check him out.
The 494 in its various versions has been used to clock TCs for many years. It is the oscillator at the heart of my TinselKoil 2, for example, a SSTC of the kiloWatt class.
ETA: Here's the data sheet. Can you spot the difference between the IN and CN versions? There is one.....
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl494.pdf (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl494.pdf)
Operating Temperature range minimum at end of data sheet.
C - 0 degree C
I - -40 degree C
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Digikey has these. I tend to think these are fairly old design.
Use TI:
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=TL494IN
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On the circuit I think LED array is the free electron receiver antenna.
You need to try to have exact components for everything of the schematic to the right of toroid L1
inductor. This toroid separates RF environment of the control on left from power RF on the right.
What I would do is inject some small fake free electrons from a separate power supply on small
capacitors to the upper and lower part of the led array in controlled phase to the driving signal on
the FET for a tune-up. The TL494 is designed to slow down the rep-rate of an overunity circuit
rather than let energy build up in capacitors. The FET will not function well until TL494 comes
on power. The led diode near regulator signals HV I don't know by going on or off? The FET
will then function efficiently.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Dear TinselKoala.
Welcome. :)
Many thanks for the info on the driver.
Are you going to have a bash at this replication ??
I could think of no one more qualified. :)
Cheers Grum.
QuoteThe TL494 is designed to slow down the rep-rate of an overunity circuit
Funny, I missed that in the data sheet. Guess I had better re-read it. I can certainly see why they want the "IN" version.... in Russia! But in Texas we don't see too much below-freezing weather. The hot end is more important to us, so we might need to use IN versions too!
DigiKey sells them for 73 cents apiece, either CN or IN versions, and you have to pay some shipping. Usually takes 3 days for a DigiKey order to arrive at my house.
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?v=296&pv16=6512&k=tl494&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 (http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?v=296&pv16=6512&k=tl494&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25)
So even though they are a few pennies more expensive each from thaishine, he pays the shipping, but with DigiKey you pay the shipping.
Quote from: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 05:40:24 PM
Dear TinselKoala.
Welcome. :)
Many thanks for the info on the driver.
Are you going to have a bash at this replication ??
I could think of no one more qualified. :)
Cheers Grum.
Thanks, but no, I'm not going to be doing it, for a couple of reasons. (This could change, though.) However I can tell you that the basic oscillator section is virtually identical to just about every 494-based SSTC that I've seen including my TK2. There is a very easy way to make it "self-triggering" so that it seeks the resonant frequency of whatever it is driving, and maybe the Akula circuit above already does that. But I have no idea what is happening in the Akula circuit past the oscillator section. I'm pretty sure it will light the LEDs as long as it is getting power, but after you open the switch... I think it will go dark.
But when someone does build it, I'd love to see the results. I think that there are some "red herrings" in the design that don't really matter, but that's an experimental issue and I hope someone does the right experiments to find out.
ETA: Heh... checking my secret post-Apocalypse stash, I find that I have 2 ea. TL494CN chips and a handful of IRF3205 mosfets on hand. That's helpful indeed.
QuoteThe led diode near regulator signals HV I don't know by going on or off? The FET
will then function efficiently.
Hmm. The 7812 regulator supplies the chip's main power at pin 12, and it also supplies the collector current for the VT2 NPN transistor that is used to drive the 3205 mosfet (wrong symbol there btw) in the low-side switch arrangement switching L1. The LED near the 494 is in the circuit to both of the emitters (9 and 10) of the open-collector NPN output stages of the 494. So the LED will come on when the 494 is operating. The primary output of the 494 is through pin 11, to the gate of the VT2 transistor, where it works by grounding and ungrounding the collector-base part through the 494 (pins 10 and 11 are the collector and emitter of one of the 494's output NPN transistors.) Pin 8, the collector of the other stage's output NPN, is apparently not used.
I think. See the Functional Block Diagram in the 494 datasheet.
Once the 494 is oscillating and driving the mosfet, there will be spikes generated whenever the L1 coil is turned on and off. The two MBR3545 diodes charge up the capacitor C3 and the second one helps keep the charge on C11 (I think). The LEDs and the inductors, the mosfet and capacitors C3 and C11 then keep the LED bank on while the circuit is operating with "start" button depressed, and after the "start" button is released they can keep the LEDs lit for a while, I think. The output LED side of the circuit, including the inductors, looks quite a lot like a JT with a wireless receiver (essentially the second MBR diode) attached.
I think. Maybe.
Dammit. I actually have all components necessary to build the silly thing on hand, except my 494s are the CN type. Now see what you have done? I don't have room for all this (possible) HV stuff in my lab!!
Well, almost. The high current Schottky diodes.... why are these needed? There certainly aren't going to be sustained currents of the magnitude that those can handle. 35 Amps! Why would a 45 v, 3 amp Schottky not work?
Ah. I see that GL's excellent PCB board uses the smaller 15SQ45 diode, a 15 amp unit. Some other component subs also. The "fact" that the 3205 mosfet needs a large heatsink is telling you something significant: It is dealing with HV spikes that are avalanching it continuously, and/or it is being underdriven or too fast for its rating. This mosfet has a very low intrinsic Rdss and runs cool in every application I have used it for.
:-X
I would Like to point out that we must be very careful about the version of this Circuit that we work from. I believe that the one I posted earlier is the original. The one that is on the first page is XNAME41's altered version which he says is the one he used to do his replication. Which is likely that Akula changed one little part to make us work for it, instead of getting a hand out. But the ones I have posted below are both in very poor quality, which means that they have been changed and altered to make them hard to read and also they changed most values on resistors and capacitors so that we could not replicate this setup. It could be a precaution in case it is a real working circuit or that they know for a fact that it works. Anyways I have 5 different versions on my cpu. I am posting the 2 I believe are total fakes, just because of their quality and the windings on the L1 are wound the same direction, unlike the picture that Akula put on them. Which shows the Cw and CCW windings. Its hard to read them, but you can see that they are totally different. So we should probably work from Grumages, post/ XNAME41's version or the one I posted earlier with the questions. I think that is the original. So check the Russian page to see which one Akula posted.
Good Luck to us all.
thanks, e6, that is helpful
I see the two strings of 5 each LEDs under the words "HL 15V" , and if they are 3V LEDs then yes, 15 volts will be needed to light them. But at only 60 mA or so, I think, and that is DC. If the thing does what I think, which is to make higher voltage, short durations spikes, then the current could be higher, but again, short term.
So where does the "30 Watt" output figure come from? DC power to light up all the LEDS to full brilliance and maybe beyond, should be less than one watt. Are they special LEDs, high-power high brightness ones?
Look. When the 12 V battery is connected and the "start" switch is depressed, the the C11 cap is charged right away and the C3 capacitor is also fully charged through the current path thru the unlabelled diode near the switch, the first "L1" coil which must be the toroid, the 0R22 resistor R1, the other "L1" coil which is the transformer primary, and the first high-current Schottky. This is the reason that diode must be able to handle high surge currents. This same path also includes the second Schottky, the secondary of the transformer, and back through the NC "stop" switch to help charge the other large cap C11. This same path also includes the output LED bank in parallel with it, so the LEDs light up too if the supply battery voltage is high enough. It must be over 12 volts anyway or the 7812 regulator does nothing, it can't regulate "up", just down. None of this current path involves the 494 chip or the 7812 VR at all, and the two charged caps will keep the LEDs lit for a little while (I don't know how long yet) after the Start switch is released and before the Stop switch is pressed.
I think.
When the 494 starts oscillating this will affect the DC current path outlined above and the transformer will now start making spikes of higher voltage. This will charge up both big caps through their Schottkys, but the LED bank will keep the voltage from going too high on the caps, I think. If the 494 keeps running it is running on these two capacitors but I can't see how it would keep running for long, once the "start" button is released.
L1 is pulsed by VT1, the bemf from L1 runs through D1 and D2 into L2
Basically the same thing that happens in V8carlos's circuits, one coil gets a neg pulse the other a pos pulse.
There are some rather large differences between that schematic and earlier ones in the thread. But at least it uses a correct symbol for the mosfet.
The LED is wired differently, the output of the 494 is done differently and the mosfet gate driver is completely different. The gate driver shown in this circuit is probably better than the ones in the other diagram. I don't know about the different connections to the 494.
However the DC current paths I described that charge up the two large capacitors are still as I described them.
As long as you cannot agree on which circuit diagram is actually to be used, there isn't any point in me building anything, I'll just go back to lurking. Where are the big diodes in the photographs that are below the schematics, for instance?
operating temperature range ? ???
Hi all,
I think I have the needed parts to assemble this. I will keep you posted of my progress.
what this forum needs is progress, if just one honest person suceeds and that really works, then the search is over. after that people can discuss why is it working, then make bigger and improved versions.
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too. ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?
Very strange behaviour indeed. >:(
Comments ??
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 06:39:07 AM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too. ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?
Very strange behaviour indeed. >:(
Comments ??
Best,
google im sure you would do the same.
if you have 1 million dollars, will you give that to other people?
similar thing..
there are people however who would give this 1 million dollar to many people happily.
But the ratio between greed and a healthy minds is disbalanced.
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 06:39:07 AM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too. ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?
Very strange behaviour indeed. >:(
Comments ??
Best,
I know the answer, GREED! >:(
History proves, Hendershot, Hans Coler, Paul Baumann and many more died poor. Even Tesla. Who will invest in a technology which can be replicated by anyone in his backyard lab at virtually no cost.
Its impossible to find investors for Akulas toy circuits. Even Kapanazde has tough time finding investors since 10 years except that Turk group. Where are the free energy investors ? ?
If a man can not understand this simple logic, either he is extremely greedy or fake.
--------------$#@&--------------
So finally which circuit has been pinned down for replication ? Please indicate so that parts can be arranged for replication.
What about exact coil windings.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 06:39:07 AM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too. ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?
Very strange behaviour indeed. >:(
Comments ??
Best,
Think about it, first there's you and your family's personal safety, the world economy would crash, alot of people would be helped and alot of people would be hurt economically.
Would it be the right thing to do? I think so but there will be consequences.
Thats alot of weight on one mans shoulders. I thought I had an overunity device once, I have to admit it scared me, I did alot of thinking.
But all in all is it the right thing to do..........Yes
If we do nothing else in this short physical lifespan we should try to do whats right.
Seek righteousness
Quote from: elementSix on March 07, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit. The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's?? USA
Thanks ahead of time for your help..
E6
PS.. It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..
TL494 can bay basicly in any electronic shop.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 07, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
Dammit. I actually have all components necessary to build the silly thing on hand, except my 494s are the CN type. Now see what you have done? I don't have room for all this (possible) HV stuff in my lab!!
Well, almost. The high current Schottky diodes.... why are these needed? There certainly aren't going to be sustained currents of the magnitude that those can handle. 35 Amps! Why would a 45 v, 3 amp Schottky not work?
Shotky 35 amps not needed, you can use 10 amps. But shotkyes are wery fast and it good works on low voltages. In schematic is 35 volts, but I think better be use 60-70 volts, to not burn it's.
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 06:39:07 AM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too. ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?
Very strange behaviour indeed. >:(
Comments ??
Best,
According to me there is conspiracy about this maybe i'm too paranoid but specially in Russia there is department from the government called combating the pseudoscience but they just have to lead the researchers to the wrong lead just because everything have to be under their control. So this guys there posting wrong schemes are mainly russians they are posting every week new scheme in the wrong way. There is nothing in solid state sircuits i'm sure the alternative energy is not there don't let them fool you.
This schematic, I think is best. And add some explanations.
Quote from: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Hi all
what is this mean ?
I could be wrong but I believe this works like a negative electrode, C3 is hit on the pos side with bemf from L1 this causes the cap to pull high negative on the other side of C3,this gives this electrode a high neg pulse.
It could be a winding on the core but the results would be the same.
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 06:57:20 AM
So finally which circuit has been pinned down for replication ? Please indicate so that parts can be arranged for replication.
What about exact coil windings.
Best,
Dear Google and all.
Welcome !! :)
I have re attached the schematic that dear Groundloop converted to a PCB for us, see below.
As to the transformer. This
IS the Grey area (Gray, for our US readers :) )
There could well be a number of different configurations involved. Private discussions regarding what might be happening there?? Bloch wall movement between the two halves ?? Who knows ?? We will need to experiment !!
I too have had a moment when things seemed to come together and that
BIG question hangs on your shoulders. Publish ? What in the Hell would be the outcome ? Complete collapse of the economy ? Social unrest ? War ? All these thoughts run through the mind !!
Well, to Hell with it !! Let's have a concerted, World Wide, no borders, discrimination free,
BASH at this one !! Just over 12 months ago I joined this forum, not knowing anyone !! I now feel a part of a massive world family, with a common goal. You have
ALL become my friends !! :)
ONWARD !!Cheers Grum.
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 09:02:52 AM
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.
Dear Black_Bird.
A "little bird" told me 5 KHz !! ;)
Experiments will tell us more !!
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
Dear Black_Bird.
A "little bird" told me 5 KHz !! ;)
Experiments will tell us more !!
Cheers Grum.
Thank you Grum. My calculations, supposing AL of the core around 2000 nH/turns2 and a current of 2A ( 30W /15V)
, and also supposing the duty cycle of 45%, 15 turns at the primary led to a frequency of 5.68KHz. So your "little bird" confirms my calculations.
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 09:02:52 AM
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.
You are kidding, right? The people in this thread can't even settle on which output pin of the 494 to use, and it seems you can just start leaving components out all over the place, or substitute different ones, at will. Compare Groundloop's PCB specified components with what we have just seen in the last few posts.
Why not settle on one specific schematic before you start making PCBs or worrying about what frequency to use? Once one schematic is "approved" and constructed, that can become a baseline from which variations can be tested to see if they help or hurt the desired performance. But having three different people (at least) putting up substantially different schematics, each saying that they believe theirs is the right one to use... and then someone else comes along without an actual build, apparently, and tells you to leave parts out.... OK, fine. Have fun. You are making a mess that will have to be cleaned up later, but as long as it keeps you off the streets, it's fine with me.
Lets take it a step further, the bemf from L1 causes the pos side of C3 to go high pos this draws current on the other side to go high neg after the bemf is dissipated through L2, L2 has a bemf that will cause the pos side of C3 to go neg this releases the high neg from the cap and pulses the electrode.
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 09:12:33 AM
You are kidding, right? The people in this thread can't even settle on which output pin of the 494 to use, and it seems you can just start leaving components out all over the place, or substitute different ones, at will. Compare Groundloop's PCB specified components with what we have just seen in the last few posts.
Why not settle on one specific schematic before you start making PCBs or worrying about what frequency to use? Once one schematic is "approved" and constructed, that can become a baseline from which variations can be tested to see if they help or hurt the desired performance. But having three different people (at least) putting up substantially different schematics, each saying that they believe theirs is the right one to use... and then someone else comes along without an actual build, apparently, and tells you to leave parts out.... OK, fine. Have fun. You are making a mess that will have to be cleaned up later, but as long as it keeps you off the streets, it's fine with me.
Hey, it was just a question from somebody who wants to build the circuit. For you knowledge, I'm and electronic engineer with more than 35 years experience and, despite that, I am not raging over people who know less than me. Sometimes the best solutions come from people with less knowledge but more ingenuity.
Grum,
I think I understand why the potentiometer is giving that wide range for the frequency: it is to allow for different AL values of the core. See the table below
AL. Inductance (15 turn). Frequency for 2A current and 45% duty cycle
2000. 450uH. 5.68 KHz
1000. 225uH. 12 KHz
800 180uH. 15KHz
600. 135uH. 20KHz
400. 90uH. 30KHz
200. 45uH. 60KHz
Cheers,
Black Bird
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------
Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.
Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.
Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.
Best,
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 09:45:19 AM
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------
Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.
Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.
Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.
Best,
Best,
Hi Google,
I will be posting my findings as I progress.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 08:16:31 AM
Dear Google and all.
Welcome !! :)
I have re attached the schematic that dear Groundloop converted to a PCB for us, see below.
As to the transformer. This IS the Grey area (Gray, for our US readers :) )
There could well be a number of different configurations involved. Private discussions regarding what might be happening there?? Bloch wall movement between the two halves ?? Who knows ?? We will need to experiment !!
I too have had a moment when things seemed to come together and that BIG question hangs on your shoulders. Publish ? What in the Hell would be the outcome ? Complete collapse of the economy ? Social unrest ? War ? All these thoughts run through the mind !!
Well, to Hell with it !! Let's have a concerted, World Wide, no borders, discrimination free, BASH at this one !! Just over 12 months ago I joined this forum, not knowing anyone !! I now feel a part of a massive world family, with a common goal. You have ALL become my friends !! :)
ONWARD !!
Cheers Grum.
Dear Grum,
Thanks very much. There are some countries in the world not dependent entirely on carbon based energy. Those countries are meeting their domestic demend of energy and selling surplus energy to the neighbours.
Economy in those parts of the world are not crashing. See, if at all, we can make a free energy device, it would be of moderate power output and large industrial and commercial power requirements shall be still met by the conventional hydroelectric or nuclear based electricity.
We may get some respite from our power bills but powering heating and cooling devices shall still need grid based power. These gadgets can fulfill the lighting requirements only, IMHO.
Best,
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
Hi Google,
I will be posting my findings as I progress.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Dear Black Bird,
Thanks a lot. This forum really needs people who can lead the group on this thread, courtesy Mr Grum. Some seniors join hands and please become the project heads for this thread.
Best,
Dear TinselKoala and all.
I opened this thread with the schematic, that I thought, would be correct for this replication !! It was the one presented by x_name41. The hand written mods that appeared there were built into the PCB that dear Groundloop has produced.
For me, that will be the one that is used. I agree with your sentiments as regards how much a mess we could get into by following different routes !! The simplified king-Grumage schematic was just posted to show simplistically that the circuit is driven by a very fast switch, nothing more !!
Your electronics expertise is well known amongst the older members of this and many other forums. And I look forward to a continuation of your, and other electronics oriented peoples input.
Cheers Grum.
Yes Dr. Koala, Black Bird and other electronics experts, please take the lead. You can really make this thread a humming hive and I wish and pray Almighty for the success of this venture.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 09:45:19 AM
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------
Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.
Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.
Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.
Best,
Best,
Read my posts.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 08, 2014, 10:31:47 AM
Read my posts.
Dear A.king21,
Can you please suggest some interesting reading material on electrostatic systems with COP more than 1. Will be helpful for dummies like me who have long forgotten the basics.
Much appreciated.
Best,
Dear Grum,
The frequency limits for the RT and CT components in the schematic (1K+10K potentiometer and 3.3nF cap) are 363KHz ( Pot at 0 ohms) and 33.06KHz ( pot at 10K). Using this information, and the table I just posted, I would say that the transformer core (with the gap) has an AL less than 400. As the dimension of the gap will influence the final AL of the core, you can always adjust the gap to fine tune particular core you have.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
Dear Grum,
The frequency limits for the RT and CT components in the schematic (1K+10K potentiometer and 3.3nF cap) are 363KHz ( Pot at 0 ohms) and 33.06KHz ( pot at 10K). Using this information, and the table I just posted, I would say that the transformer core (with the gap) has an AL less than 400. As the dimension of the gap will influence the final AL of the core, you can always adjust the gap to fine tune particular core you have.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Dear Black_Bird.
Many thanks for that info. The cores I have obtained have an AL Value = 4100. I hope they are not too large ??
Cheers Grum.
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)
In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.
I just made a simple HV electrostatic generator by using 3 basic parts.
1. 12 V 7Ah Accumulator.
2. A cheap 18 Watt CFL inverter circuit that lights a CFL with a 12 V DC input.
3. A flyback trafo. Wired the inverter output to flyback input.
The HV and ground output wires light the CFLs wirelessly and generates some wonderful blue sparks streamers. The spark gap max is 1 cm.
I guess the output is above 10kv.
A.king21 can you suggest a simple circuit to replicate Benitez patent with this device.
Many thanks ahead of time.
Best,
Good Day All:
Just wanted to say thanks for starting this post:
I have been following the work of AKULA since last year:
OK, just my two cents worth:
Please see Attachments:
A pic is worth a 1000 words:
lost_bro
Quote from: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 11:15:16 AM
Dear Black_Bird.
Many thanks for that info. The cores I have obtained have an AL Value = 4100. I hope they are not too large ??
Cheers Grum.
Hi Grum,
With AL=4100, and no gap, primary inductance will be around 920uH. At 33KHz, minimum frequency of TL494 in this circuit, the maximum current during conduction will be around 177 mA, which is low to get the desired 30W output. when you introduce the gap, AL will reduce and consequently the value of primary inductance will also reduce. You will need some experimenting with the gap value to get the desired output current.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: Google on March 08, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
I just made a simple HV electrostatic generator by using 3 basic parts.
1. 12 V 7Ah Accumulator.
2. A cheap 18 Watt CFL inverter circuit that lights a CFL with a 12 V DC input.
3. A flyback trafo. Wired the inverter output to flyback input.
The HV and ground output wires light the CFLs wirelessly and generates some wonderful blue sparks streamers. The spark gap max is 1 cm.
I guess the output is above 10kv.
Dear Google.
You have made the first step !! Yes, humidity dependant, a spark of 30 Kv for dry air can traverse 1 cm !!
We now have to find a way of attracting and harnessing the abundance of "Static" electricity and converting it into "our" man made electromagnetic electricity !! The Testatika machine ??
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 08, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
Good Day All:
Just wanted to say thanks for starting this post:
I have been following the work of AKULA since last year:
OK, just my two cents worth:
Please see Attachments:
A pic is worth a 1000 words:
lost_bro
Dear lost_bro.
Thanks for your input and welcome!! :)
Please study the schematic on my opening post. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391344/#msg391344
How do you see these handwritten amendments ? As this is the schematic that has been turned into a PCB format.
Cheers Grum
PS. Almost forgot to thank Black Bird for the inductance info !! Cheers !! :)
Next step ?? :)
Best,
Hello Grummage
OK, took a quick look at the other schematic:
Please see the attachments:
It's just my two cents worth.
Take care and good luck.
lost_bro
lost_bro
Are the error amplifiers correctly used in original circuit ? Can you explain the purpose of sensing in two places (input of stabiliser and after load) ? Could it be to change frequency according to the load and to limit input voltage going to lm7812 ?
Quote from: lost_bro on March 08, 2014, 02:02:52 PM
Hello Grummage
OK, took a quick look at the other schematic:
Please see the attachments:
It's just my two cents worth.
Take care and good luck.
lost_bro
Dear lost_bro.
From your remarks, I gather that there are still errors ?? Would you be so kind as to correct this schematic so that we could proceed ?? I suppose we could place a jumper here or there ??
I myself have only a basic knowledge of electronics so would greatly appreciate any help from the more adept members of this Forum.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: forest on March 08, 2014, 02:28:53 PM
lost_bro
Are the error amplifiers correctly used in original circuit ? Can you explain the purpose of sensing in two places (input of stabiliser and after load) ? Could it be to change frequency according to the load and to limit input voltage going to lm7812 ?
Hello Forest:
Just a few quick thoughts on the matter:
Please see attached pic.
I would have to build the unit to understand better what Akula's methodology was when designing his feed back loop.
I would have to wonder with so many other obvious flaws in the schematic (not this one, but the other one which is missing the ground line to #16 etc) , if this is indeed an actual working model?
Or if it is another adulterated version.....
Take care,, peace.
lost_bro
P.S made a mistake on the pic. should read R14 & R15 timing:EDIT , it is normal for #2 to use decoupling capacitor, but directly to ground not in the middle of a feedback loop.C8 is a SoftStart-function Capacitor (controls number of clock cycles before full output achieved) , used to slow down the start-up of the output signal on initial startup of the TL494 chip. Probably does that so not to blow up the MOSFET with initial surge....
Quote from: a.king21 on March 07, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
Aking and Grum
does the basic circuit still stands out meaning no modification
Im still waiting for my parts tl 494 abd it will be a week to arrive
Tesla switch
Can use jonnydavros 1.5 v dc 5 t0 82 mA flyback driver for hv
to Lost Bro
Can the above circuit combined with hv produce an efficient output if not self generating
Ill settle for efficiency right now for my 20 w solar panels less input current with high output
t 8) hanks
Black Bird,
Do you happen to have access to e-cap software simulator capability?
I'm certain that all these components should have simulation models. My feeling is that these folks are having too much
problems with this is a relatively simple circuitry. Why not just bringing it up as if were your own design? How hard should it be
to light some power leds using a 494 PWM modulator? And any kind ferrite transformer with these # turns of windings? Then figure out
how to inject 4MHz AC to add to DC power to simulate free energy. Test the circuit for voltage/power regulation. Figure out how
free electrons injected into the LED array will affect power flow, see how much you got vs and how much you need. You are
going to need *significant* free energy to offset the heat being dissipated in the FET heat sink so it seems you should be able to see it.
I suspect there is significant energy flowing back from the led array immediately after turn off.
When you tune the circuit then you can use fancy groomed ferrite transformer. I suspect that free electrons work like a heat engine
you need to use 1/2 their energy to push the other 1/2 energy into the circuit, so around that injection loop you need ground balance.
What I'm suggesting is use the schematic as a structural reference rather then detail reference. Then test the thing into operation.
By the way one could convert the 12Volt Linear Regulator to a switching regulator by adding the appropriate inductor
into it's ground lead. From National Applications note. This alone could save 16% energy use by left side of board and
cool the +12 volt regulator down. Use excess .1uf power bypass caps to keep the signals cleaner during prototyping.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Mark,
I do not have ecap, but PSPICE. Anyway, these simulators might give you some insight into the circuit, but, as they are based in "conventional" physics, any "anomalous" effects will not appear in the simulation.
If you observe the circuit, even if TL494 is not there, there is a DC path from power supply to the load via the primary inductor and the diodes to the load. What I think, for now, is that the circuit, somehow, returns the power spent to the power supply capacitors, after the battery is disconnected. How and why that happens is the big "X", and that is why I will assemble the circuit to investigate it. My intention is to assemble the circuit by parts and measure the effects of each step until I get it working ( or not!?).
Cheers,
Black Bird
You need a program that has these two options. Non-Linear Inductance and Open Circuit system.
Hi elementSix,
PSPICE does have nonlinear inductors, but no Open Circuit System. Any suggestions are welcome.
Cheers,
Black Bird.
Dear a.king21, forest, grumage and other Teslonians,
My bird brain understands the following is necessary for achieving overunity :
Electromagnetic Energy ----> Radiant Energy ----> Magnify Radiant Energy ----> Electromagnetic Energy.
(Battery) (No sparks, just corona discharge) (Bulbs/ LEDs)
How to Magnify Radiant Energy ???????
Any ideas please. (Kindly do not refer to long pointless threads.)
Thanks ahead of the time.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 09, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
Dear a.king21, forest, grumage and other Teslonians,
My bird brain understands the following is necessary for achieving overunity :
Electromagnetic Energy ----> Radiant Energy ----> Magnify Radiant Energy ----> Electromagnetic Energy.
(Battery) (No sparks, just corona discharge) (Bulbs/ LEDs)
How to Magnify Radiant Energy ??? ??? ?
Any ideas please. (Kindly do not refer to long pointless threads.)
Thanks ahead of the time.
Best,
Momentarily touching earth ground pumps an equivalent amount of electrostatic energy from the ground (minus system losses)
You have to repeat the pumping action using a Tesla switch.
(It's in his radiant energy patent)
My idea is similar to BlackBird. Somehow the initial current pulse is returned back to supply capacitors while the second current pulse generated is going to the output caps. Because frequency is high there is enough to cover looses and power leds.
Quote from: forest on March 09, 2014, 02:00:59 PM
My idea is similar to BlackBird. Somehow the initial current pulse is returned back to supply capacitors while the second current pulse generated is going to the output caps. Because frequency is high there is enough to cover looses and power leds.
Dear forest.
Don't forget that the coil across the split causes a doubling of the frequency !! ;) totoalas picked up on the air gap on page one !!
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 03:50:05 PM
Dear forest.
Don't forget that the coil across the split causes a doubling of the frequency !! ;) totoalas picked up on the air gap on page one !!
Cheers Grum.
Hi Grum
So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core? I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.
Thanks
DonL
Quote from: a.king21 on March 08, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)
In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.
Maybe this video can help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0hXYfvnND0&feature=related
Quote from: dllabarre on March 09, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Hi Grum
So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core? I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.
Thanks
DonL
In my previous experiments
the center leg of e core i inserted a ferrite ring magnet and none on the other two legs the v ac rise from 125 to 320 v ac open circuit measurement.... without the gap its barely 65 v ac 8)
Quote from: dllabarre on March 09, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Hi Grum
So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core? I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.
Thanks
DonL
Dear Don.
Another very good question !! totoalas noticed an air gap on one leg only. If you recall GeoFusions original "round core" device he had paper between the joints. My own experiments also found that an air gap can alter the frequency of the pickup coil.
I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!
At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
Dear Don.
Another very good question !! totoalas noticed an air gap on one leg only. If you recall GeoFusions original "round core" device he had paper between the joints. My own experiments also found that an air gap can alter the frequency of the pickup coil.
I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!
At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!
Cheers Grum.
It is possible to get a special effect when you wrap a coil over a gap. I don't know what the effect is. I'm just saying this because we can't tell from T-1000 pic if there is a gap or not.
DonL
Quote from: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!
30/8/7 ---- 8/7
How did you get the windings from that picture?
Grum: "Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!"
If the price is not too great (say up to $70 for one), count me in!
OOPS - duplicate; delete
Quote from: a.king21 on March 09, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
Momentarily touching earth ground pumps an equivalent amount of electrostatic energy from the ground (minus system losses)
You have to repeat the pumping action using a Tesla switch.
(It's in his radiant energy patent)
Many thanks A.king21 for the reply.
Best,
Quote from: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!
Cheers Grum.
Please post here or PM me the cost of each board with shipping.
Thanks
DonL
Quote from: a.king21 on March 08, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)
In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.
Thanks for the post. I read the full patent, and not understand the commutator, its timing.
Could you please explain it or a clear picture etc etc.
Also i want to make a Benitez thread, can some one tell me how i can do it.
I can not find any link/facility to make any new thread.
Cheers.
D.J
Even I studied Benitez patent and drew the circuit to understand it. Everything is easy to understand except the commutator thing. It uses the following parts only :
1 commutator
10 diodes (probably HV)
4 capacitors (probably HV)
6 trafos (probably aircore/ ferrite core)
1 load
Circuit is simple to make except the commutator thing that seems very complex in working and concept.
I also second starting a new thread on Carlos Benitez 1914 patent.
Found this interesting video on Benitez Plug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiQGxkXC9U
Best,
For self running LED light circuit the transformer is crucial part. And unless someone will try to wind coils and test on 555 circuit with same secondary coil connections as in original circuit there's not much to discuss around it. The practical test would reveal much more with asynchronous windings and flyback effects mixed...
Understanding whats happening in this circuit is critical to making it work.
This is electron flow not the conventional view.
This is the coil reactions - separating pos and neg
Quote from: DilJalaay on March 10, 2014, 01:13:15 AM
Thanks for the post. I read the full patent, and not understand the commutator, its timing.
Could you please explain it or a clear picture etc etc.
Also i want to make a Benitez thread, can some one tell me how i can do it.
I can not find any link/facility to make any new thread.
Cheers.
D.J
DilJalaay / a.king21,
In the Benitez circuit diagram two connections are dotted lines. Namely between points 5 --- 51 and 27----53.
What is the significance of the dotted line. Can you please reply.
Thanks in advance.
Best,
This is going to step on some toes ;)
Quote from: Google on March 10, 2014, 08:47:15 AM
DilJalaay / a.king21,
In the Benitez circuit diagram two connections are dotted lines. Namely between points 5 --- 51 and 27----53.
What is the significance of the dotted line. Can you please reply.
Thanks in advance.
Best,
There are three doted lines, the circuit attached to the doted line is optional, it is if you want to use low frequency, without spark gap. All is written in the patent.
Many thanks DJ, I didnt read the full patent, its on my to-do list, I wanted to see the circuit first. Speacially the commutator part. Looks will take time to read and understand the basics of the patent first. But this seems interesting to me.
Is anyone starting a new thread on Benitez patent of 1914 ?
Best,
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 09, 2014, 08:48:00 PM
30/8/7 ---- 8/7
How did you get the windings from that picture?
Dear 4Tesla.
The schematic clearly states L1 having 15 turns and L2 45 turns.
From that, and the assumption made by T-1000 then a first layer of 30 turns with a following second layer to the centre of the bobbin of 8 turns and a final layer of 7 turns makes L2 45 turns total.
And then L1 wound over L2 to the centre with 8 turns and a return layer of 7 turns makes L1 15 turns.
I hope that clarifies your question ?? And is of help to others !!
Cheers Grum.
Dear All.
This just appeared on the Kapanadze thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw&list=UU8wodvsxDbBQxihf_ilGIuA
Enjoy !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Here is the circuit before it disappears from YT. ;)
Best,
Quote from: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Hi all
what is this mean ?
I might be speaking out of turn because I haven't read the whole thread yet. I've skipped through it. It is a very strange configuration. In answer to your question re the "plate" :- I think that this represents a shield winding. This is generally a grounded turn of foil wound between the primary and secondary windings. Its purpose is sometimes for safety reasons so that there is complete galvanic isolation from the primary(used in mains fed circuits where human life is at risk eg on medical machines). In this case it will serve to reduce capacitive coupling between primary and secondary. With this configuration its only real effect would be to reduce stress on the diode D5 by reducing high frequency reverse bias whilst the diode is still switching off (I am referring to component designations on the redrawn circuit because it is so much easier to see).
The circuit is essentially a flyback configuration with the primary is used as a choke, not a transformer. It is a current controlled circuit with R17 as the current shunt in the feedback loop. TL494 pins 1,2 and 3 form the current loop. Pins 15, 16 and 3 form the voltage loop. The secondary seems to only provide an auxiliary feedback mechanism.
There are lots of funnies in this circuit.
--For example why use the 7812 regulator. The feed is 12 volt battery and depending on the particular flavour the 7812 has a dropout voltage of about 2.5 volts hence no regulation. All the devices fed with 12 volts can withstand up to 20v. the regulator doubly pointless.
-- The control loops are unusual for no apparent reason.
--The secondary(auxiliary) winding serves no real purpose and introduces further losses. It probably boosts the voltage into the primary but what for? The energy for this comes from the primary flyback voltage.
-- Why couple the secondary winding to the output of the primary?
Lots of questions. I must say this has intrigued me and I'll look at it further when I get a chance - hopefully later this week, but my first reaction is that this is simply a poorly designed flyback boost circuit. Perhaps some of these comments will trigger other peoples' ideas.
Good Day Tseak:
Quote from: Tseak on March 10, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
I might be speaking out of turn because I haven't read the whole thread yet. I've skipped through it. It is a very strange configuration. In answer to your question re the "plate" :- I think that this represents a shield winding. This is generally a grounded turn of foil wound between the primary and secondary windings. Its purpose is sometimes for safety reasons so that there is complete galvanic isolation from the primary(used in mains fed circuits where human life is at risk eg on medical machines). In this case it will serve to reduce capacitive coupling between primary and secondary. With this configuration its only real effect would be to reduce stress on the diode D5 by reducing high frequency reverse bias whilst the diode is still switching off (I am referring to component designations on the redrawn circuit because it is so much easier to see).
Plate could be electrostatic part of ground loop : to maintain ground when battery is disconnected.
The circuit is essentially a flyback configuration with the primary is used as a choke, not a transformer. It is a current controlled circuit with R17 as the current shunt in the feedback loop. TL494 pins 1,2 and 3 form the current loop. Pins 15, 16 and 3 form the voltage loop. The secondary seems to only provide an auxiliary feedback mechanism.
In theory the feedback should track frequency?
There are lots of funnies in this circuit.
--For example why use the 7812 regulator. The feed is 12 volt battery and depending on the particular flavour the 7812 has a dropout voltage of about 2.5 volts hence no regulation. All the devices fed with 12 volts can withstand up to 20v. the regulator doubly pointless.
Yes, allegedly the circuit will put out over 35volts when battery is disconnected and is left to free run: Must check specs on IRF3205 MOSFET Gate to Source volt max.; could be there to keep stable voltage for Max voltage limits.
I agree a Buck/Boost converter would be more efficient if that is the reason.
-- The control loops are unusual for no apparent reason.
Don't understand them either, yet!!!
--The secondary(auxiliary) winding serves no real purpose and introduces further losses. It probably boosts the voltage into the primary but what for? The energy for this comes from the primary flyback voltage.
According the supposed operating principal: the L2 winding is processing and injecting the flyback voltage from L1 during the OFF cycle of L1 to the In-put side of the Voltage Regulator to keep the thing running when the battery is disconnected.
-- Why couple the secondary winding to the output of the primary?
To recycle the flyback energy?
Lots of questions. I must say this has intrigued me and I'll look at it further when I get a chance - hopefully later this week, but my first reaction is that this is simply a poorly designed flyback boost circuit. Perhaps some of these comments will trigger other peoples' ideas.
Yes, we need more people to analyze this circuit and build it:Take care. Peace.
lost_bro
Quote from: a.king21 on March 06, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Can someone who is Russian speaking inform Akula about this thread in his honour?
If he wants to contribute in Russian it is fine.
We respect him here.
I have invited him to join in here and over at OUR.
Dear All.
First price back in late today.
For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below. This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!
I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs.
I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.
Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 10, 2014, 12:03:02 PM
Yes, we need more people to analyze this circuit and build it:
The author of
this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness) without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.
To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
Quote from: verpies on March 10, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness) without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.
To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
Dear Verpies.
Welcome !! :)
Your input is always valued highly.
It was that video that really galvanised me into starting this thread !!
Cheers Grum.
Good Evening All
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw
at 7.50min.s he shows the Ground copper plate wrapped around the inner plastic bobbin of an ETD, EE type core.
Also shows the wrap configuration that he uses:
We need someone to translate this to English Please.
lost_bro
Good day Grumage:
OK, count me in on one of the PCBs.
If we need to modify it, shouldn't be too hard to do.
Let me know how and when to make payment and the shipping options.
You can PM me if you want with the details.
Thanks
lost_bro
@ all,
I have a very basic question here. Suppose I have a 0.5 watt radio transmitter sitting on my bench. Also suppose I have access to unlimited crystal radio sets tuned exactly to the frequency of the 0.5 watt transmitter.
Question 1: How many maximum crystal radio sets can be fed with the 0.5 watt transmitter ?
Question 2: Is it possible that after adding Nth crystal set, the (N+1)th crystal set will recieve nothing ? (If N is the answer of question 1 above).
Question 3: By increasing the number of crystal sets to almost infinite. Will the quality of reception go down inversely proportional to the number of receiver sets.
Best,
Quote from: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
Dear All.
First price back in late today.
For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below. This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!
I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs.
I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.
Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.
Grumage,
The PCB image you posted above was NOT from the final PCB layout I did mail to you.
Please, please, please use the newest images and files that I mailed you when showing
my artwork.
Attached is how the PCB look like.
Thanks,
GL.
Дорогой друг, ваше видео уважают. любезно присоединиться к нашей формы overunity.com, у нас есть поток на Акула 30 Вт свободной энергии устройства. При желании Вы можете создавать в России есть. Большое спасибо.
Sent this message to Ilya0ship. Lets see if he responds. Credit of video ref. goes to respected friend verpies.
Best,
Hi GUYS I have been following you from a great distance, that is perth western Australia. keep up the great work and count me in for the pcb and let us know the total cost when it will be available,, thanks regards seychelles
Quote from: Google on March 10, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
Дорогой друг, ваше видео уважают. любезно присоединиться к нашей формы overunity.com, у нас есть поток на Акула 30 Вт свободной энергии устройства. При желании Вы можете создавать в России есть. Большое спасибо.
Sent this message to Ilya0ship. Lets see if he responds. Credit of video ref. goes to respected friend verpies.
Best,
Good idea! 8)
Quote from: Google on March 10, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
@ all,
I have a very basic question here. Suppose I have a 0.5 watt radio transmitter sitting on my bench. Also suppose I have access to unlimited crystal radio sets tuned exactly to the frequency of the 0.5 watt transmitter.
Question 1: How many maximum crystal radio sets can be fed with the 0.5 watt transmitter ?
Question 2: Is it possible that after adding Nth crystal set, the (N+1)th crystal set will recieve nothing ? (If N is the answer of question 1 above).
Question 3: By increasing the number of crystal sets to almost infinite. Will the quality of reception go down inversely proportional to the number of receiver sets.
Best,
What is the range and type of the 0.5 Watt transmitter, (grounded conventional antenna, not grounded conventional antenna, Tesla style capacitive elevated terminal ? And what type of crystal radio receivers do you refer to, regular elevated wire antenna with ground or Tesla style grounded ?
Something like this maybe. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CZH-05B-0-5W-FM-transmitter-radio-broadcast-PLL-LCD-stereo-87-108mhz-/251354115717?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
I'm guessing it's a small un grounded unit with an antenna maybe 20 to 100 Mhz.
My experiments with grounded Tesla receiver setups tell me that the power received from one crystal set is a only a tiny small fraction of the transmitter input power, eg There is a commercial grounded AM transmitter working at 840 kHz with a power of 10 Kw about 15 kilometers from me, I can tune into that signal with a small table top Tesla type receiver and hear the radio with High impedance headphones without using any input power at my end, or I can use an amplifier and play the radio on a speaker setup, the signal received is in the order of tens of millivolts and tiny current not worth trying to measure.
Maybe if you define the transmitter type and the crystal radio type as well as how you would place the receivers as in distance from the transmitter ect. someone skilled in radio engineering might answer.
My intuition tells me that if the transmitter was surrounded by receivers the output of the receivers would be less than the output of the transmitter no matter how you do it. But I'm not a engineer in the field.
Other way is to try it and then try to measure the power out of all the receivers to the speakers (not an easy job).
However if you are close enough to a high power transmitter and can tune to it with a grounded receiver of some size you might get a fairly reasonable output at the expense of some loading to the transmitter.
Some people in past times used one crystal radio to receive power at one frequency to amplify the output of another crystal radio at another frequency to listen to.
Cheers
Quote from: lost_bro on March 10, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
Good Evening All
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw)
at 7.50min.s he shows the Ground copper plate wrapped around the inner plastic bobbin of an ETD, EE type core.
Also shows the wrap configuration that he uses:
We need someone to translate this to English Please.
lost_bro
[size=78%]He not get selfrunning, so why need translate? And he not corect maybe wound cuper tape. Tape must be betwen winings.[/size]
Quote from: Farmhand on March 11, 2014, 03:24:39 AM
What is the range and type of the 0.5 Watt transmitter, (grounded conventional antenna, not grounded conventional antenna, Tesla style capacitive elevated terminal ? And what type of crystal radio receivers do you refer to, regular elevated wire antenna with ground or Tesla style grounded ?
Something like this maybe. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CZH-05B-0-5W-FM-transmitter-radio-broadcast-PLL-LCD-stereo-87-108mhz-/251354115717?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
I'm guessing it's a small un grounded unit with an antenna maybe 20 to 100 Mhz.
My experiments with grounded Tesla receiver setups tell me that the power received from one crystal set is a only a tiny small fraction of the transmitter input power, eg There is a commercial grounded AM transmitter working at 840 kHz with a power of 10 Kw about 15 kilometers from me, I can tune into that signal with a small table top Tesla type receiver and hear the radio with High impedance headphones without using any input power at my end, or I can use an amplifier and play the radio on a speaker setup, the signal received is in the order of tens of millivolts and tiny current not worth trying to measure.
Maybe if you define the transmitter type and the crystal radio type as well as how you would place the receivers as in distance from the transmitter ect. someone skilled in radio engineering might answer.
My intuition tells me that if the transmitter was surrounded by receivers the output of the receivers would be less than the output of the transmitter no matter how you do it. But I'm not a engineer in the field.
Other way is to try it and then try to measure the power out of all the receivers to the speakers (not an easy job).
However if you are close enough to a high power transmitter and can tune to it with a grounded receiver of some size you might get a fairly reasonable output at the expense of some loading to the transmitter.
Some people in past times used one crystal radio to receive power at one frequency to amplify the output of another crystal radio at another frequency to listen to.
Cheers
Many thanks for responding farmhand. What I was thinking was, can an extremely large number of AM crystal recievers placed around the 0.5 watt AM transmitter can suck all the power transmitted by the transmitter so that no more power is left in the transmitter to power even a single extra crystal receiever. I am refering to the properly earthed and arieled transmitter and crystal receivers.
Best,
Hey Grum:
Count me for two ( 2) as I like to play. PM me with a total
and a bit of cushion to make sure and where to.
thay
Quote from: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
Dear All.
First price back in late today.
For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below. This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!
I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs.
I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.
Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.
Just let me know how to get that.
Thanks
Ariovaldo
Quote from: MenofFather on March 11, 2014, 03:25:15 AM
He did not get it to self run, so why the need to translate? And he did not correctly wind the copper tape. Tape must be between windings.
Also, this guy is using inductive wirewound power resistors that will block high frequency currents. Such resistors are good only for DC and LF.
Both of those are significant construction differences.
Quote from: MenofFather on March 11, 2014, 03:25:15 AM
[size=78%]He not get selfrunning, so why need translate? And he not corect maybe wound cuper tape. Tape must be betwen winings.[/size]
Hello:
Ok, I understand that it is NOT self running: but considering we need a suggestion on how to place the Ground Plate within the L1 & L2 coil, it is a start.
Please see attached purposed winding configuration for L1 & L2:
You say: "Tape must be betwen winings"
OK, please suggest where and between which windings to place the Tape or Plate of Copper?
Thanks in advance. Peace
lost_bro
Quote from: verpies on March 10, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness) without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.
To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
Hello:
Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:
The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.
My question is :
Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?
Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?
Thanks , peace
lost_bro
Quote from: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Hello:
Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:
The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.
My question is :
Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?
Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?
Thanks , peace
lost_bro
Dear lost_bro.
I too, noticed the absence of the shield!! In my preliminary tests with the transformer wound to the above posted schedule an external ground wire from a rod, not Supply industry ground. I found the storage capacitor drained faster !!
Some have suggested that this shield could pose as a "virtual ground" or collector ??
Going back to my original post and looking at the transformer presented on the schematic drawing. It
DOES suggest that my schedule may be wrong . My reasoning behind this is because the starts and finishes are at either end not as mine, picture attached below.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Hello:
Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:
The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.
My question is :
Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?
Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?
Thanks , peace
lost_bro
The plate could be connected on the bottom side?? If you look at the lower right corner.. you see one of the wires goes to the bottom side.
Edit: NM.. just realized you're talking about the transformer in the video.. didn't read carefully.
Quote from: verpies on March 10, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness) without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.
To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
So maybe someone who speaks russian can ask this guy how he wound his transformer and why we dont see a 5th wire, that is connected to the 1turn-coil/shield? I also wonder why he only needs 1 tiny heatsink for his build, this seems to me like there is only very small input power to primary coil. On photo of akula schematic there can be seen big cpu heatsink + cooler.
btw, this seems to be the schematic he used, he posted link in comments: http://savepic.org/5111643.jpg
and here he seems to explain schematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0&
really bad i not speak russian :(
Quote from: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 03:20:50 PM
So maybe someone who speaks russian can ask this guy how he wound his transformer and why we dont see a 5th wire, that is connected to the 1turn-coil/shield? I also wonder why he only needs 1 tiny heatsink for his build, this seems to me like there is only very small input power to primary coil. On photo of akula schematic there can be seen big cpu heatsink + cooler.
Hello From other Planet:
Yes, you are quite correct with the observation regarding the Heat Sink disparity;
Akula has a very large Fan cooled heat sink, which now poses another question related to powering that fan which cools the large heat sink:
Where does the fan's power come from?Is it running also from the same circuit, and if so why does the schematic NOT show this connection?
I would assume that the fan is consuming at least a few watts of power, so it is an issue to be dealt with as well.
Thanks, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 03:25:06 PM
btw, this seems to be the schematic he used, he posted link in comments: http://savepic.org/5111643.jpg
Hello From other Planet:
Yet another mystery to be dealt with:
The posted schematic from the U-tube channel does NOT match the Blurry Schematic shown in the Video of the Self- running TPU.
I could not guess why one schematic is shown in the video and another very different one is shown as a linked reference.
Thanks, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
and here he seems to explain schematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0&)
really bad i not speak russian :(
Hi,
That video is nothing special as guy there tries to explain MOSFET driver operation and nothing is there about transformer or how to achieve OU effect..
Cheers!
I wonder why the transistor gets so hot. Heat is wasted energy.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 02:43:39 PM
The plate could be connected on the bottom side?? If you look at the lower right corner.. you see one of the wires goes to the bottom side.
Edit: NM.. just realized you're talking about the transformer in the video.. didn't read carefully.
The one turn copper coil in the video was shorted, wouldn't work that way, insulate the two ends.
It also looks like the transformer pictured in your post 4tesla has s split core and split windings. Probably with a modified core to shunt the magnetic current.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
I wonder why the transistor gets so hot. Heat is wasted energy.
It has been suggested that it (MOSFET) might run in Avalanche mode..... I have seen other Russian videos of self running devices that complain of excess heat dissipation from the MOSFETs; causing instability and as a result only permit the device to run for a very limited amount of time.
Yes, heat is a waste of energy if you don't need the heat for another process, in this case it is apparently the result of the process we are chasing.....
peace
lost_bro
Quote from: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
It has been suggested that it (MOSFET) might run in Avalanche mode..... I have seen other Russian videos of self running devices that complain of excess heat dissipation from the MOSFETs; causing instability and as a result only permit the device to run for a very limited amount of time.
Yes, heat is a waste of energy if you don't need the heat for another process, in this case it is apparently the result of the process we are chasing.....
peace
lost_bro
Oh it is a MOSFET.. my bad. Strange as it is rated at 110A. Being a 30W circuit you would think it would be only about 3A going through the circuit.
Dear All.
I can confirm your suspicions as regards the transistor getting hot. It get's REALLY hot!!
I have spent the greater part of this evening trying various frequencies and m/s ratios whilst dumping the output through a super fast FWBR. In fact I got better results connected the other way round !!This was accidental on my part but the results were definitely interesting. Even with a step down ratio the scope was seeing 50 V pulses and a ringdown. Holding the circuit run for up to a couple of seconds.
May I courteously suggest that you guys should make the transformer and try driving with a PWM device as per T-1000's earlier post. A few more stabs with different coil configurations might just see a breakthrough??!!
Cheers Grum.
I found this one FDP030N06 rated at 193A.. are there any rated higher?
I think this is the max.. not sure. FDP025N06 265A !!
Quote from: verpies on March 10, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness) without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.
To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k
What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.
Or some wires could be connected to the back of the circuit board simply with another battery providing the 12 volts or whatever he wants for the power circuit (which in turn supplies the switching circuit once the switching is started by the visible battery).
Or he could have 3 x 12 volt batteries directly powering the LED after the circuit starts. Easy to fake.
Cheers
P.S. I really see no point, but I could set up a 200 Watt fake to the standard he shows, If people keep referring to the video I probably will.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on March 11, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)
What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.
Or some wires could be connected to the back of the circuit board simply with another battery providing the 12 volts or whatever he wants for the power circuit (which in turn supplies the switching circuit once the switching is started by the visible battery).
Or he could have 3 x 12 volt batteries directly powering the LED after the circuit starts. Easy to fake.
Cheers
P.S. I really see no point, but I could set up a 200 Watt fake to the standard he shows, If people keep referring to the video I probably will.
..
Trollin trollin where's your troll buddy's
I have a novel idea maybe try and make it work, wow who would of ever thought.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 11, 2014, 08:52:26 PM
Trollin trollin where's your troll buddy's
I have a novel idea maybe try and make it work, wow who would of ever thought.
HA HA
Quote from: Grumage on March 11, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
Dear All.
I can confirm your suspicions as regards the transistor getting hot. It get's REALLY hot!!
I have spent the greater part of this evening trying various frequencies and m/s ratios whilst dumping the output through a super fast FWBR. In fact I got better results connected the other way round !!This was accidental on my part but the results were definitely interesting. Even with a step down ratio the scope was seeing 50 V pulses and a ringdown. Holding the circuit run for up to a couple of seconds.
May I courteously suggest that you guys should make the transformer and try driving with a PWM device as per T-1000's earlier post. A few more stabs with different coil configurations might just see a breakthrough??!!
Cheers Grum.
Good evening Grumage:
OK, in relation to the really HOT!!! MOSFET; this is some info that I use when winding GDT's:
Saturation flux density is how much magnetic flux the magnetic core can handle before becoming saturated and not able to hold any more. This depends on several factors including ferrite type, temperature and electrical and magnetic conditions on the transformer.
When the ferrite saturates, the transformer no longer acts like an inductor with a linear increase in current over time. Rather, the magnetic field cannot increase further and current is limited by the source impedance of the power supply and the resistance of the transformer wire.
This leads to very large currents- Very HOT MOSFETs and blown devices. This is a Bad Thing.Ferrite typically saturates at a flux density (B) about 0.3 Tesla but this depends on temperature and the ferrite type. A typical design might have as a target a B = 0.25T at 125ºC which gives plenty of operating margin to the limits.
The formula for flux density is
B = ( V x t ) / ( N x Ae )
where:
B = flux denstiy in Tesla
V = applied Voltage to the winding in Volts
t = time that Volts V is applied for in seconds
Ae = cross sectional area of the core in m^2 - obtainable from the core datasheet
If this were an inductor carrying a DC component, the DC current would play a significant part in calculating the saturation.
I usually use a DC blocking capacitor in the primary side of the GDT to eliminate the DC component and thus avoid alot of the issues involved (flux walking).
The main thing to take from this equation is that for a given core and frequency there is a minimum number of turns that can be used without saturating the core. So, to avoid saturation, use more than the minimum number of turns.So I have wound many GDTs that have overheated the driver circuit just for the above mentioned fact: When the core saturates, it acts as a DEAD short and MOSFETS don't like that..... yes it is a balancing act between minimizing the leakage inductance, the minimum number of windings permitted and core saturation and of course maintaining an acceptable wave form...
So looking at the plan for the winds on the XFMR, could be that for the type of Ferrite involved, you don't have sufficient windings on it to avoid saturation.
Just a thought.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: Farmhand on March 11, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy !
So could I.
I was merely translating what the author was saying.
Without scopeshots it is not possible to analyze the credibility of this video nor its MO.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
This leads to very large currents- Very HOT MOSFETs and blown devices. This is a Bad Thing.
The main thing to take from this equation is that for a given core and frequency there is a minimum number of turns that can be used without saturating the core. So, to avoid saturation, use more than the minimum number of turns.
So I have wound many GDTs that have overheated the driver circuit just for the above mentioned fact: When the core saturates, it acts as a DEAD short and MOSFETS don't like that..... yes it is a balancing act between minimizing the leakage inductance, the minimum number of windings permitted and core saturation and of course maintaining an acceptable wave form...
Thank you so much! A lot of good and helpful info there. So do you think having a higher amp rating won't make a difference since it is this shorting that is causing it to over heat? Is it possible that saturation of the core is what makes this thing work? How about the 1W toroid transformer.. do we know if it had a ferrite core?
Thanks
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Thank you so much! A lot of good and helpful info there. So do you think having a higher amp rating won't make a difference since it is this shorting that is causing it to over heat? Is it possible that saturation of the core is what makes this thing work? How about the 1W toroid transformer.. do we know if it had a ferrite core?
Thanks
I guess the short answer is related to the actual problem> If it is related to saturation of the core, it is directly related to the core permeability, core size and winding ratios ..... and the core permeablility can be changed by changing the core material.
All the ETD cores that I have here now are PC40 TDK material.
I do not know what Grumage used for the core material, I would have to pull out the charts to see how that all works out...
take care, peace
lost_bro
Here is a link to Ramans fuelless generator, posting it here as am not active on Kapanazde thread.
http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://cyberenergy.ru/generator-kapanadze/beztoplivniy-generator-raman-t338.html&prev=/search?q%3Dhttp://cyberenergy.ru/generator-kapanadze/beztoplivniy-generator-raman-t338.html%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D800
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 10, 2014, 10:22:16 AM
Here is the circuit before it disappears from YT. ;)
Best,
This circuit has no relevance to this topic.
This is the beginning of my work on the circuit http://savepic.org/5171238.png (http://savepic.org/5171238.png)
Quote from: Farmhand on March 11, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)
What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.
The circuit board is most likely pinned down at the top LHS corner by 'X' wires soldered to the board near the battery croc clip.
Posted by Wattsup on OU Research forum: -
Regardless of who made the Akula0083 video, the video IS faked. There is simply no way a circuit board would stay in one place like that with all the manoeuvring he did.
So to confirm this, I did a small screen capture using my virtualdubmod program to show you directly. Because the file is too big to post here and I did not want to upload this video into my youtube channel, I put it on my ftp web site here...
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/)
Quote from: Hoppy on March 12, 2014, 04:13:38 AM
The circuit board is most likely pinned down at the top LHS corner by 'X' wires soldered to the board near the battery croc clip.
Posted by Wattsup on OU Research forum: -
Regardless of who made the Akula0083 video, the video IS faked. There is simply no way a circuit board would stay in one place like that with all the manoeuvring he did.
So to confirm this, I did a small screen capture using my virtualdubmod program to show you directly. Because the file is too big to post here and I did not want to upload this video into my youtube channel, I put it on my ftp web site here...
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/)
Are you trying to convince people its fake so we wont build it, forget it, we'r tired of listening to you guy's.
Take it to another thread
And take the other trolls with you
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device? comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
Im going to try the 80 watt schematic its much simpler and I believe shows the principle of operation.
This is the schematic, Ramero added the diode between the two coils.
One way to wind the transformer is like V8carlos did, you may have a look at his work I think its related.
Personally I think the coils would work better separated then electrostatics and ionization come into the picture.
Please continue
All the best to everyone
dave
Quote from: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 07:27:13 AM
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device? comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
Its called corporate property plus a big fat paycheck and threat of jail time for revealing secrets, anything you find while in their employment is their property, even if you do it after work.
I worked for an aircraft company installing the electrical parts in the plane and it was this way, anything you discover belongs to them, period.
Quote from: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 07:27:13 AM
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device? comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
I don't think it is a matter of ignorance, but just using what they were taught, without thinking of anything else. But let me remind you that science evolves. There was a time that the Earth was flat and the Sun turned around it. Everybody accepts that energy can be dissipated into the ambient: light a match and let it extinguish. Where did that energy go? Into the ambient, and nobody is concerned about that, it is an accepted concept. Now, why can't you reverse, somehow, this process, grabbing that energy that is all over the ambient? I think that is what we are trying to accomplish here. A dream? It might be a good one!
Quote from: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 07:46:48 AM
Its called corporate property plus a big fat paycheck and threat of jail time for revealing secrets, anything you find while in their employment is their property, even if you do it after work.
I worked for an aircraft company installing the electrical parts in the plane and it was this way, anything you discover belongs to them, period.
why and what do they fear dave? they fear that we get out of hands?
They fear a free thinking individual mind
they fear loss of control,
we feed them and their corruption
they fear we wont need them anymore
God made us free
We are free even in prison, its a state of mind
Someday I will be free of this body and world, I hope to have helped others before I leave.
You can not take anything with you, only your deeds, whether good or bad.
L2 is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
The purpose of the gap in the core is to double the frequency of the wires covering the gap.
It also introduces electrostatic bursts which are picked up by the built in Tesla radiant energy receiver.
The purpose of the way over the top rated mosfets is to handle the electrostatic bursts without blowing the
transistors.
Electrostatic induction is cop 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should go back to school and learn their physics.
Here is a simplified diagram so that you can understand the principle.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 12, 2014, 08:36:39 AM
L2 is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
Agreed, It works like an ionization plate drawing energy to the coil, think ion cloud.
The energy fluctuates but this plate keeps an electrostatic charge that draws energy to the coil adding a diode here would be worth a try.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 08:33:31 AM
They fear a free thinking individual mind
they fear loss of control,
we feed them and their corruption
they fear we wont need them anymore
God made us free
We are free even in prison, its a state of mind
Someday I will be free of this body and world, I hope to have helped others before I leave.
You can not take anything with you, only your deeds, whether good or bad.
reading your writings , many visualizations came : all transmission lines could be demolished and the copper and other metals turned to make these devices for homes.
if we have ''energy" we could make vehicles that float freely in the air and use no emmissions. end of cars.
free - energy - we can make free production of food.
there are those who think about this free energy maybe as a weapon.
out of 7 billion, how many could think that way?
god made us free. so many are free to do what they want including bad things.
what will happen?...
The powers that be already have these devices only the poor dont,
pump water for gardens, light, heat home and family, free transportation
there are and will always be people who use tools for evil we cannot change that
we all take our deeds with us when this physical existence has played out.
just a caterpillar who hopes to someday be a butterfly.
Regarding the copper plate issue, if it is supposed to attract radiant energy, then why is it connected directly to ground? Because it is not what you say. If it was a radiant energy collector, it would have a dedicated radiant energy collector circuit and a dioded capacitor tank instead of just dumping to ground. At most this plate is used to speed up the rebias of the copper atoms in the secondary coil to neutral, so when the primary hits again, you get maximum atomic swing hence maximum potential difference. Just pulse any primary and check the secondary, then add a grounded copper strip around the windings and see if there is any output difference at the same or different pulse frequency.
Also if the copper plate was again a radiant energy collector, from my experience it will only collect at a specific frequency that is most likely impossible to match to the primary frequency that should have already been matched to maximize output on the secondary. Of course you can always hunt around to find a primary frequency that will eventually work on both the plate and secondary but figure you will be in the 20MHZ and above range and at that frequency, you will be producing only enough reactive power to maybe light up a firefly.
wattsup
IS that copper plate a radiant energy collector, a shield, a reflector or a plate in a capacitor?
if i would have the parts i would have assembled this circuit in 5 minutes on a breadboard and make tests, i dont have the parts nor the money for them, who has them? and who is going to prove it works?
Is there anyone here who is an electronics engineer by profession and have looked at the circuit?
there seems to be many errors in it.
Dave , I read your post. Really inspiring but people like Zilano and kdkinin etc just vanish from public forums once they have a working device. Humans never share their secrets because of greed and ego. Many examples galore. People join forums, learn, make and vanish, they never share their success. Others turn to fakery to gain importance. Human logic is stupid. Even dogs are better.
Best,
I think shield plate is used as in other DC-DC converters to eliminate EMI. Maybe by using not closed one it acts also differently who knows ? I bet you heard about radio waves collector with antenna germanium diodes and capacitors ?
Quote from: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
I guess the short answer is related to the actual problem> If it is related to saturation of the core, it is directly related to the core permeability, core size and winding ratios ..... and the core permeablility can be changed by changing the core material.
All the ETD cores that I have here now are PC40 TDK material.
I do not know what Grumage used for the core material, I would have to pull out the charts to see how that all works out...
take care, peace
lost_bro
Dear lost_bro.
I did post the core material I was using on page one. Here is the link to that post. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391374/#msg391374
Wow, page 12 already !! I hope it doesn't turn into another Kapanadze thread !! ;D
I would like to ask politely that the members of this forum who are not seriously interested in pursuing this Akula device to refrain from posting their concerns about the validity or viability of this device.
Let those of us Don Quixote's who wish to chase windmills, get on with the task !! You can say, I told you so !! When the time comes !! ;D
Back to business.
Could one of the more experienced electronics guys explain, in "Layman's" terms, what Avalanche mode means ?? I myself have only a basic knowledge of electronics, this would help me and I am sure a few others as well !!
Cheers Grum.
I agree that fully avalanche rated mosfet is the key. I don't completly understood this avalanche mode but I feel it may be explained as a breakdown of p-n junction like that occuring in diodes when overvoltage happen. In most cases it causes damage to diode but certain classes are immune to it (zener diodes) . Avalanche mosfets IMHO may be classified as mosfets with zener diode behaviour.
Just my opinion. The main factor is the real avalanche operation is differrently maintained by different mosfet producers , as afar as I know the best would be fully avalanche rated mosfet.
Quote from: Google on March 12, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
Dave , I read your post. Really inspiring but people like Zilano and kdkinin etc just vanish from public forums once they have a working device. Humans never share their secrets because of greed and ego. Many examples galore. People join forums, learn, make and vanish, they never share their success. Others turn to fakery to gain importance. Human logic is stupid. Even dogs are better.
Best,
Zilano NEVER had a working device. She just copy & paste information.
She NEVER showed a pic or video or measurements.
Dear All.
I have some good news to report!! :)
Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561
I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!
What is even better, no transistor warming!! More tests to follow !!
Cheers Grum.
The plate does not collect energy it works as an ionizing electrode drawing energy from the ambient.
Read up on ionizers, air purifier's, static eliminators, ion clouds.
This is why I suggested the diode, you want this plate to hold a high negative charge, this draws positive ions from the ambient.
This is what I like about the 80 watt device, with the coils separated an ionizer circuit could be added to the device with a pos electrode on one choke and a neg electrode on the other choke.
Quote from: Grumage on March 12, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
Dear All.
I have some good news to report!! :)
Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561)
I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!
What is even better, no transistor warming!! More tests to follow !!
Cheers Grum.
That's Awesome Grum!!!
Quote from: Grumage on March 12, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
Dear All.
I have some good news to report!! :)
Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561
I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!
What is even better, no transistor warming!! More tests to follow !!
Cheers Grum.
Good day Grumage
Thats is very interesting news, can you post a screen shot of your O-scope of the 'Linear' ringing?
I will like to see that info.
What we want to see is the famous 'Don Smith' ringing waveform that opens up and expands both positive and negative as it rings. This would represent oscillations in sync with the driving frequency and the inductive/capacitive reactance of the circuit involved = resonant behavior.
I believe that obtaining the 'Linear' waveform is the first step of the process in obtaining this 'Don Smith' expanding waveform.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: lost_bro on March 12, 2014, 08:15:46 PM
Good day Grumage
Thats is very interesting news, can you post a screen shot of your O-scope of the 'Linear' ringing?
I will like to see that info.
What we want to see is the famous 'Don Smith' ringing waveform that opens up and expands both positive and negative as it rings. This would represent oscillations in sync with the driving frequency and the inductive/capacitive reactance of the circuit involved = resonant behavior.
I believe that obtaining the 'Linear' waveform is the first step of the process in obtaining this 'Don Smith' expanding waveform.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU
Quote from: dllabarre on March 12, 2014, 03:02:17 PM
Zilano NEVER had a working device. She just copy & paste information.
She NEVER showed a pic or video or measurements.
Thats exactly what I said, she never showed her work to anyone, deleted all her posts and vanished from the forum. When will someone do that ? A faceless internet character doesnt do that until they have a working device and want to hide something.
Best,
Quote from: From other Planet on March 12, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU
Successful resonant magnetic coupling might be the key to overunity. But not easy to achieve. Just my 2 cents.
Best,
Quote from: From other Planet on March 12, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU
Hello From other Planet
Yes, you are correct.....
And a SG will generate a VERY broad spectrum of frequency range as a driving signal. Contained within that wide frequency range that your SG generates with each spark, there will be the principle frequency or at least harmonics of the principle frequency that your Tesla coil or DS coil is tuned to:
So in essence a SG is a Hit and Miss proposition at best, being of a wide frequency band you will inadvertently hit your mark. The SG is NOT tuned to the rest of the system, of course the Primary and Secondary of such a system should be tune to resonate at the SAME frequency.
Edit; yes, Telsa did use a rotary SG and HG-SG to modulate frequency of his Spark , and even still the SG is a dirty signal at best...Now design a SS circuit with precise frequency control, which operates at a very narrow frequency range (ie: 1x10e-6 Hz) and try again to generate the Trumpet waveform......
You must have the inductive and capacitive reactance of your tuned system canceling at the precise frequency ( or maybe harmonics of ) of your driving circuit which power the gate of your driving MOSFET (s).
This TPU circuit does not utilize a wide frequency SG, it is using single frequency which must hit the mark precisely or it will NOT ring properly.
And yes, the trumpet waveform in and of itself does NOT signify OU...... but we must start somewhere. I personally believe that it is how you use this trumpet waveform that can catalyze OU.
Please see attached pic of Waveform of Charging and Discharging of Capacitor, usually requires 4TC to reach apogee of charge, this is NOT the Don Smith wave form I am discussing.
On the other hand the Trumpet voltage waveform indicates voltage amplitude which increases with time, this is an indicator of a system tuned to resonance. A very different scenario from the posted below standard Charge and Discharge pic. of a capacitor which is NOT part of a system in resonance.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: Google on March 12, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Thats exactly what I said, she never showed her work to anyone, deleted all her posts and vanished from the forum. When will someone do that ? A faceless internet character doesnt do that until they have a working device and want to hide something.
Best,
Except Zilano NEVER build anything.
All she did was copy & paste other peoples work.
Show me one pic of a device that SHE built.
You can't because she didn't build anything.
Every time I and others challenged her she would delete her posts and move to a different thread to start again.
She was also on other forums like energeticforum.
She scammed you guys.
I am wondering why would anyone behave like she did. :-\ :-\ :-\
I read somewhere she has a 10kw device powering her home. If all is untrue, why she wasted hers and others time and effort on the forums.
I hate the sucker b!t€h.
Best,
Consider for a moment how long worldly triumphs last. They are but the play of the scintillating name and form of the Divine, which is the core of every being. Earn the vision that sees the Divine inherent in all. We are not troubled when something is good; only when something is bad. This is because the goodness in us is natural. In our evil aberration, we are worried and alarmed when we slide into wrong or pain or sorrow. This is because nature plans us to be right, to be happy and ever in a state of joy. It is a pity that man has lost his understanding of this basic Truth.
just for clarification: this is waveform i was talking about: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image// (not my picture, i didnt have any right now)
@Google: Those are some harsh words, in my oppinion no one has a right to judge another person unless he has walked in her shoes.
I agree though that a lot of information from Zilano didnt make really sense. I also was in contact with her over on energetic forum and sadly she couldnt help me or others to succesful replicate the Don Smith Devices. But perhaps we just didnt understand her right or were just unlucky, i dont know....
One guy over on energetic succeeded on DS replica, at least he said. He claimed he just folllowed exactly all DS notes and the critical part, that made it work, was an additional transformer after the big capacitor Output bank, which he said showed extreme cooling and heating effects (the trafo, not the caps)
Kdkinen(kurt, mrclean) also made a succesful replication of DS, but his gain was not that much, maybe 10-20Watt
Quote from: nanobot on March 12, 2014, 11:44:47 PM
STOP THE PHILOSOPHICAL RUBBISH ITS ABOUT PHYSICS ENERGY HEALTH AND SAFETY !!! Not ignorance !!! Go to god and ask him is it ok to play with something you cant understand even if it may kill someone you don't know just because you want to experience the exotic energy within ?? Some thing can not be told for if the truth was to be as loud as you than a seed of it may grow into a very thorny bush ... God mad a single cell to grow into a monkey over billions of years than when the monkey was ready he grew into a man ! Even God has a health and safety protocol ! And let me tel you if you know what I do than you wont talk gibberish .... Play with something you understand that is no dangerous !
Nanobot
so, if ur that knowing, show us the photo or schematic of ur working AND SAFE device. Im curious about it...........
Quote from: From other Planet on March 12, 2014, 11:47:59 PM
just for clarification: this is waveform i was talking about: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image// (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image//) (not my picture, i didnt have any right now)
@Google: Those are some harsh words, in my oppinion no one has a right to judge another person unless he has walked in her shoes.
I agree though that a lot of information from Zilano didnt make really sense. I also was in contact with her over on energetic forum and sadly she couldnt help me or others to succesful replicate the Don Smith Devices. But perhaps we just didnt understand her right or were just unlucky, i dont know....
One guy over on energetic succeeded on DS replica, at least he said. He claimed he just folllowed exactly all DS notes and the critical part, that made it work, was an additional transformer after the big capacitor Output bank, which he said showed extreme cooling and heating effects (the trafo, not the caps)
Kdkinen(kurt, mrclean) also made a succesful replication of DS, but his gain was not that much, maybe 10-20Watt
May i asked which one guy succeeded on DS replication, as i followed the thread from the beginning, but never find one except Mr.Clean.
Cheers,
D.J
Quote from: nanobot on March 13, 2014, 12:01:35 AM
Stop it ! Look else where ! this thing has a hidden demon I can not mention ! But a health and safety report is being made and the line monitor here know about it ....
Nanobot
@Atomaxx, Nano,
If you are really sincere for our health and the world, please show us your finding step by step here in this forum.
"Safe free energy for dummies". without asking to join your village team or register to your website etc etc..
I bet you can not...so leave us alone.
???
D.J
(Desk Jokey)
@DilJalaay, his name was something like stoker_x1 or so. He also made some interesting posts in forum from soundiceuk and bruce perreault, sadly i forgot the url for that forum, if u find it please write it to me! :)
Quote from: nanobot on March 12, 2014, 11:44:47 PM
STOP THE PHILOSOPHICAL RUBBISH ITS ABOUT PHYSICS ENERGY HEALTH AND SAFETY !!! Not ignorance !!! Go to god and ask him is it ok to play with something you cant understand even if it may kill someone you don't know just because you want to experience the exotic energy within ?? Some thing can not be told for if the truth was to be as loud as you than a seed of it may grow into a very thorny bush ... God mad a single cell to grow into a monkey over billions of years than when the monkey was ready he grew into a man ! Even God has a health and safety protocol ! And let me tel you if you know what I do than you wont talk gibberish .... Play with something you understand that is no dangerous !
Nanobot
Where does health and safety come into play with a 30 watt device. Do you mean spark gaps ?
Do you really think a small device can kill because of its exotic energy ?
Truth about human life is that we havent evolved from monkeys. Darwin in just a theory that suited him. Man is an intelligent creation, not evolved from apes. Man is gifted with intellect and animals are not. Thats the difference. Man has free will, not progammed like animals.
Physics is not exotic, just laws observed over last 2 centuries and written down. New laws can be discovered and older ones can be modified based on scientific research.
I am yet to take notice of a SINGLE "exotic energy" device by fringe scientists. Please dont mix Physics with science quackery.
BTW where do you work ? Area 51 ?
Best,
I wonder why nanobot popped up here ??? What we are working on is simply a flyback type DC-DC converter , nothing strange at all. Just a proper EMI shield around like a copper hat on all transformer to ground and we are safe. The dangers are the same as around 30W CB radio transmitter.
Quote from: forest on March 13, 2014, 03:13:55 AM
I wonder why nanobot popped up here ??? What we are working on is simply a flyback type DC-DC converter , nothing strange at all. Just a proper EMI shield around like a copper hat on all transformer to ground and we are safe. The dangers are the same as around 30W CB radio transmitter.
Just ignore him, its the same old wine in a new bottle. ;D ;D
Just another atommix or dr bob. >:(
Misinformant confuser. Post doctorate fellow in Exotic Energy from NASA working at Area 51. ;D
Best,
DJ,
Here is one link, you might have to search http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-286.html
It has very clear pics. But no one knows if they are working or just concept devices. Soundiceuk has all the info on it.
Best,
Quote from: Grumage on March 12, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!
Do you mean that you can alter the decay envelope from an inverse exponential curve to a horizontal line and obtain an infinite ringdown time without an external energy supply ?
Quote from: verpies on March 13, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Do you mean that you can alter the decay envelope from an inverse exponential curve to a horizontal line and obtain an infinite ringdown time without an external energy supply ?
Dear Verpies.
Wouldn't that be wonderful ?? :)
No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.
cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 11:25:35 AM
Dear Verpies.
Wouldn't that be wonderful ?? :)
No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.
cheers Grum.
Hi Grum,
Do you have a load attached?
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 11:25:35 AM
Dear Verpies.
Wouldn't that be wonderful ?? :)
No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.
cheers Grum.
Hello Grumage
Thanks for the pic.
OK, can you measure the ringing period , and apply that frequency as the driving signal?
I would assume that the ringing period/frequency shown in your 0-scope shot is the Resonant frequency of your system.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 12:14:34 AM
@DilJalaay, his name was something like stoker_x1 or so. He also made some interesting posts in forum from soundiceuk and bruce perreault, sadly i forgot the url for that forum, if u find it please write it to me! :)
posts from stocker_x1 on www.energeticforum.com and www.energy.team-talk.net
a little side note, he buy a few parts on ebay :)
Dear All.
I will try to answer some questions.
Dear Black_Bird.
No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leves the secondary to help with recuperation ??
Dear lost_bro.
Not quite with you on that one ?? The frequency of 4.91 KHz seems to be where the ring is best. I used the cursor to measure the start of the pulse and the start of the next one. As you can see the duty cycle is very small!! Please elaborate !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: ctbenergy on March 13, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
posts from stocker_x1 on www.energeticforum.com (http://www.energeticforum.com) and www.energy.team-talk.net (http://www.energy.team-talk.net)
a little side note, he buy a few parts on ebay :)
Thank u very much!!!!!!!!!!! :)
But maybe we should move this discussion to another thread, as this was meant for the 30W akula device i guess ;)
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
Dear Black_Bird.
No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??
Cheers Grum.
Grum - What schematic are you working from?
Can you post a copy of it?
Quote from: dllabarre on March 13, 2014, 02:26:32 PM
Grum - What schematic are you working from?
Can you post a copy of it?
Dear Don.
As requested !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
Dear All.
I will try to answer some questions.
Dear Black_Bird.
No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??
Dear lost_bro.
Not quite with you on that one ?? The frequency of 4.91 KHz seems to be where the ring is best. I used the cursor to measure the start of the pulse and the start of the next one. As you can see the duty cycle is very small!! Please elaborate !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Good day Grum:
OK please see attached pic:
The frequency of the ringing refers to the actual cycles (frequency) of the small component of the waveform which I have circled in RED.
When you ping a tuned circuit with just ONE pulse, ( single pulse generator for example) you will generate a response in time with the LC (LCR) constant of that circuit.
Long story short: the ringing of the faster (smaller) waveform within the larger (slower) 4.91Khz wave, is closer to the actual Resonant frequency of that system.
Measure the frequency of the small (faster) waveform and use that faster (higher ) frequency to pulse the system.
Let me know if I need to explain more.
Thanks, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 02:29:52 PM
Dear Don.
As requested !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Ha Ha :)
OK
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
Dear All.
I will try to answer some questions.
Dear Black_Bird.
No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??
Cheers Grum.
It is right, but the load will influence in the amount of current that is fed back by the secondary. My question was about the ringing. I suppose that the ringing will vanish or reduce a lot when the load is in place.
Dear lost_bro.
Fully understood and thanks for the interpretation. :) Please find attached scope shot at the ring frequency.
Dear Black_Bird.
Yes you are correct in your assumptions that a load does indeed affect the ringing !!
Cheers Grum.
Addendum. Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR. :)
Quote from: nanobot on March 13, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
The real truth here is you disrespect professional standards , health and safety , respect for the global science community , and offer nothing in the research as there is nothing you can offer! It is well known in circles that are looking with total dread of your approach .
You are playing with a fire you refuse to respect and there for we will respond in legal terms to your government not you !
Well that is embarrassing, you missed point in this forum...
People who are experimenting here know things about high voltage/high frequency and all related stuff so your posts are just going to dustbin.
Please post YOUR experiments or do not post at all.
Thank you.
Periodically we are going to refresh the front page and the schematic we are working to duplicate, to keep the forum on the rails.
No need to worry
On my phone but just had to reply.. Everyone please ignore nanobot He is a troll or shill... Many people play with this technology and it is not effecting their health.. The other option is to move to OUR where there are better mods
Addendum. Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR. :)
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Hello Grum:
Thanks for posting the o-scope shot:
OK, are you using a square wave to drive L1 on the scope shot?
What are you using to generate the driving signal for L1.
I will only comment that the driving signal *should* be as clean as possible......
I don't see the square wave there at all, maybe I'm not seeing this correctly.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
EDIT , another queston, since you are driving an inductive load, are you using a Freewheeling diode across the inductor/MOSFET?
If not, that by itself will inject *a lot* of noise into the driving signal and quite possible fry the MOSFET.
Dear All.
"It takes all sorts to make a world" something my dear Grandmother often said to me when I was young !!
I feel there is a wealth of experience here at OU.Com, keep it coming !!
Best wishes and good luck to all, Grum.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 07:09:47 PM
Addendum. Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR. :)
Hello Grum:
Thanks for posting the o-scope shot:
OK, are you using a square wave to drive L1 on the scope shot?
What are you using to generate the driving signal for L1.
I will only comment that the driving signal *should* be as clean as possible......
I don't see the square wave there at all, maybe I'm not seeing this correctly.
Take care, peace
lost_bro
EDIT , another queston, since you are driving an inductive load, are you using a Freewheeling diode across the inductor/MOSFET?
If not, that by itself will inject *a lot* of noise into the driving signal and quite possible fry the MOSFET.
Dear lost_bro.
I am driving the transformer with an older type of RM Cybernetics PWM's this unit has now been superseded by a much more robust design !! However the new design has a current limit device which seems to alter the effects I am seeing. As to the transistor I have no idea at this moment!!
My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!
I have attached the pdf that was available when the PWM was in production. You may then be able to have a better idea of how I am driving the transformer.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 07:34:57 PM
Dear lost_bro.
I am driving the transformer with an older type of RM Cybernetics PWM's this unit has now been superseded by a much more robust design !! However the new design has a current limit device which seems to alter the effects I am seeing. As to the transistor I have no idea at this moment!!
My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!
I have attached the pdf that was available when the PWM was in production. You may then be able to have a better idea of how I am driving the transformer.
Cheers Grum.
Hello Grum
Thanks for sending a copy of the PWM manual.
OK:
Driving Inductive Loads (Motors, Solenoids, Transformers, Relays, Coils, etc)
The PWM-OCB has only basic protection against high voltage transients from inductive loads.
When driving inductive loads you should take extra measures (detailed below) to protect the
OCB from high voltage transients. This unit is not suitable for use with ignition coils. You
should use the other more advanced models such as the OCBI, or OCXI for such loads.
Place a fast diode such as a schottky diode in parallel with the load input terminals as close to
it as possible. If you are using a switch to reverse the direction of a motor, the diode should
be placed just before the switch, between the switch and the OCB. See figure 3.
Yes, that is from page 5 and they are referring to a Freewheeling diode.
That diode will help keep from heating up and destroying your MOSFET in the PWM. Otherwise know as an Inductive Kickback diode, it makes a path for the *back*EMF to bypass the current when the inductor is off, as the current lags in an inductor.
*
*EDIT, maybe it is this same lagging current from L1 that we want to channel somewhere else for this purpose?Wow now I'm not real sure.....
My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!If you hit with 50% duty cycle, will the MOSFET heat up?
take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: a.king21 on March 13, 2014, 06:37:13 PM
Periodically we are going to refresh the front page and the schematic we are working to duplicate, to keep the forum on the rails.
No need to worry
So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?
Quote from: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?
I think wrong schematic In OP.. There are two floating around and the original had ground
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 13, 2014, 08:35:24 PM
I think wrong schematic In OP.. There are two floating around and the original had ground
If you think the schematic is wrong, then build it your way and share the results. If it works your way
then we'll copy it.
In electrostatic induction the term "ground" can be misunderstood.
A large object can suffice as an electron donor.
This includes the human body, which explains why people can
light bulbs remotely, by holding them.
It can also include the negative terminal of a battery or the case which contains the device.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 13, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
If you think the schematic is wrong, then build it your way and share the results. If it works your way
then we'll copy it.
I am talking about the one the pcb is based on.. There are two versions of this circuit.. The one in the op was modified from original . and calm down I am working on this just trying to clarify the confusion on the ground
I am on my phone otherwise I would post it for you.. Perhaps grum can post both versions as he did over at OUR
Quote from: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?
Hello From other Planet:
Yes, you are correct, Pin 16 is the Error Amp +in : It does NOT provide ground it is an input for error amp calculation.
Please see my post #83 ; http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c
The attached photo is of a H-bridge GDT circuit I built to drive the primary of a Tesla Coil.
Yes, it is Common Emitter configuration like the Schematic with the Ground lead to both Pin #16 and the voltage divider.
Wish I knew more about the other schematic that does not have the Ground lead-- guess I would have to build it to see what the deal is, but my first instinct says that you are correct and that the Ground Lead IS necessary in that configuration.
take care, peace
lost_bro
EDIT the photo should say TL494CN not TL4949CN
Guys,
Can a $2 chepo chinese digital mutimeter set its knob at 20 V DC, charge a lead acid battery converted to lead alum battery, from 9.20 volts to 9.87 volts in 15 minutes. :-\ :-\
When I am writing this post, the voltage is increasing further. :-\ :-\ :-\
I am confused, whats happening.
Best,
Quote from: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
Hello From other Planet:
Yes, you are correct, Pin 16 is the Error Amp +in : It does NOT provide ground it is an input for error amp calculation.
Please see my post #83 ; http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c)
The attached photo is of a H-bridge GDT circuit I built to drive the primary of a Tesla Coil.
Yes, it is Common Emitter configuration like the Schematic with the Ground lead to both Pin #16 and the voltage divider.
Wish I knew more about the other schematic that does not have the Ground lead-- guess I would have to build it to see what the deal is, but my first instinct says that you are correct and that the Ground Lead IS necessary in that configuration.
take care, peace
lost_bro
EDIT the photo should say TL494CN not TL4949CN
I am a little confused now.. I might be thinking of a different ground than what you're talking about. I can't see the schematics with my phone. Anyway it a good idea to see both schematics.
Quote from: Google on March 13, 2014, 11:48:53 PM
Guys,
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Can a $2 chepo chinese digital mutimeter set its knob at 20 V DC, charge a lead acid battery converted to lead alum battery, from 9.20 volts to 9.87 volts in 15 minutes. :-\ :-\
When I am writing this post, the voltage is increasing further. :-\ :-\ :-\
I am confused, whats happening.
Best,
It 10.23 now, and increasing. Picture enclosed.
10.28 volts now. ;D :o :P :-\
Pic encl.
Best,
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067
English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance
We are talking about the same sort of thing right? A self running LED flashlight?
I have to say, it sure seems easy enough. Anyone close? Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?
A Vector Potential maybe?
Here is the schematic. :) :) :) for others to try, but kindly share your results.
Best,
I simply placed a jumper from pin 16 to ground so I can test both variations.
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast. ;D ;D
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 14, 2014, 03:15:21 AM
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast. ;D ;D
Best,
I think you should post your experiment on the energy amplification forum.
It would be more appropriate there.
do you realize that the type of 30 watt light the guy x name used arent modifiable and needs 240v ac to operate, i have many of these smd led lights, if you say would light them on their own , going above 12v blows them out.
these lights are not modifiable becuase the circuitry is casted in a big block of polyester, so xname must have been used 240 volts in from the mains
there fore
he faked the whole damn thing.
X name- shame on you for fooling others, you are foolish
im also getting suspicious about akula for a number of reasons, sorry
Quote from: Google on March 14, 2014, 03:15:21 AM
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast. ;D ;D
Best,
Hi Google,
I've seen that before and it turned out to be a bad battery on the multimeter. If this is the case, when you disconnect the multimeter, wait some time and connect it again to the battery, you will see the same "apparent" charging, which is only a measurement error.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 13, 2014, 09:35:36 PM
I am on my phone otherwise I would post it for you.. Perhaps grum can post both versions as he did over at OUR
Dear 4Tesla.
As requested.
Cheers Grum.
The forum seems to be running slow
I still think the coils should be separated ;)
Quote from: Dog-One on March 14, 2014, 12:46:06 AM
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067
English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance
We are talking about the same sort of thing right? A self running LED flashlight?
I have to say, it sure seems easy enough. Anyone close? Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?
A Vector Potential maybe?
Dear Dog-One.
Welcome. :)
I feel that all these devices are related, as does T-1000. It will just need a lot of patience and perhaps a little luck!!
Once again I would like to ask other members to wind a simple transformer and look for anomalies. The more info we can get the quicker will be the result !!
Cheers Grum.
can we add capacity to the antenna electrodes
The electrode should hold the same charge as the capacitor plate, one pos and one neg.
The electrodes should accumulate pos and neg ions but in close proximity will cancel each other just like static eliminators.
Iv been very busy with work so havent had much time to play with the circuit but have been studying it.
dave
Quote from: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 07:59:25 PM
**EDIT, maybe it is this same lagging current from L1 that we want to channel somewhere else for this purpose?
Wow now I'm not real sure.....
take care, peace
lost_bro
Yes if you notice there is a freewheeling diode - its rerouting the spike into the other coil.
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 14, 2014, 05:46:09 AM
Hi Google,
I've seen that before and it turned out to be a bad battery on the multimeter. If this is the case, when you disconnect the multimeter, wait some time and connect it again to the battery, you will see the same "apparent" charging, which is only a measurement error.
Thanks blackbird for taking cognizance and answering. I will get a new batt, do it again and post results. Best,
@nanobot
Relax man. This is small fry so don't exaggerate things here. We have been around the block a few times. You are just repeating the same thing. The only way you will stop such projects is for your grand group of brainiacs to disclose a viable and accessible free energy device right now. Because until that happens, this will continue. You will stop OU? hehehe That is so funny.
@Grumage
I am sorry if I came on so strong.
There is a confusion on this thread that needs to be cleared up ASAP. Maybe it's only my confusion but if that is the case then there will be many more confused like me reading this thread.
Just to recap and please correct me if there are any errors.
1) The image you just posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg392523/#msg392523
is a circuit and two photos that come from where? I am considering that this 30watt circuit comes from Akula himself and not from @x_name41. I know he faked his circuit most probably because he needs some type of admiration. If it were real, where is he? Why now more news?
2) Is there a real Akula video where the above circuit and coil is discussed?
3) My negative opinion of the @x_name41 version of the Akula0083 30watt device should not infer any of the same opinion on the Akula device because I have seen nothing on Akula showing that coil. I have seen other Akula videos also where @stivep tranlates his works, etc, and he seems to show and have an honest approach to things.
4) About that same circuit, just to say, I first reread all the pages of this thread and not one mention of this.
As shown on the circuit.........
L1 15 Turns 0.75 mm wire (about 21 awg)
L2 45 Turns 0.75 mm wire (about 21 awg)
Then why is the image of the coil showing two different awg sizes. Obviously someone made a mistake on that circuit. I am suspecting it should read as follows...
L1 15 Turns 0.75 (about 21 awg)
L2 45 Turns 0.35 (about 26 awg)
The circuit shows L1 to the left and L2 to the right and I am sure the image maker made sure to show L1 left and L2 right. If there where any fancy winds required like @T1000 is saying (with all due respect), I am sure the circuit maker would have shown this like we see in other TK or Akula type diagrams.
So in a nutshell, to me it looks like...........
L1 15 Turns 0.75 (about 21 awg)
First turn starts upper left with wire end towards you.
Maybe single strand but also possibly multi-strand litz wire because of the black solder deposits which is common for litz soldering and the wire coating texture seems like how you have thick litz wire.)
5 turns per layer for 3 layers wound on the left half core.
L2 45 Turns 0.35 (about 26 awg single strand)
First turn starts lower right with wire end towards you.
Turns and layers on this one is less evident. To see further I have looked at other Akula devices namely the one using a TV yoke and standing multi coil tower and compared some of those video features with the diagram he produced. By doing so I can confirm that Akula is not to concerned with precise numbers of turns he indicates in his diagram compared to what he shows in his videos. Where he says a coil has 10 turns, he has 13 and so on.
Notice in the transformer photo the right coil is taking up less height then the left coil. Plus in the right coil you cannot get more then 8 turns on that half core so I would say the first first three layers with 8 turns and we see 7 turns on a fourth layer making a total of 31 turns so why is his diagram saying 45 turns. I think between the actual build and the diagram Akula is trying to put the turns he wished he had in the build to increase his actual output on that secondary.
The other limiting factor for the windings is in the same right photo he shows two E cores. But those E cores he shows would never fit into that coil spool holding the winds. He probably just took some available E cores to show in the image but they are not the actual E cores that go inside that former.
So again in a nutshell 15 turns on the left and 45 turns on the right is OK but the right coil will show to be higher then the left coil, which would be normal.
I don't think the coil has winds like @T1000 stated and this also is normal since the core has a gap, you really do not want to go over the gap with the same coil as this will create cancellation.
So you see why my confusions and most likely why many are confused themselves, but I think the above logic should at least put some normalcy into furtherance of this.
Sorry for long post.
wattsup
To all,
Sorry that this is just off the topic of Akula0083 device, however nanobot is very cryptic and in his previous post
he has disclosed harmonics and modulation.. and I am trying to find out if he is real or a troll...
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Nanobot...
Tell me if I have the right data as I just posted on the kapanadze thread ??? link below ....
is the de-stablization of matter is a function of resonance and modulation type through a ferrite core / and caduceus wound coil ???
Acca..
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/21345/#.UyL0fayLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/21345/#.UyL0fayLN8U)
Dear Wattsup.
There is no need to apologise, your input, as a veteran OU'er is always welcome !!
Akula, (Roman) is, as you have stated, a genuine man. T-1000 is periodically in contact with him via Skype. Unfortunately he has grown tired of all the "rubbish" that has been thrown at him from both sides of the field. This frustration is mainly because we, the replicators, have not been able to achieve the same results !! The term fakery then comes to the fore, rather than we just didn't get it right !!
You have made some pertinent comments as regards the transformer !! Some I disagree with.
The cores IMO are from the frame/bobbin shown. They fit into two rectangular slots of the plastic bobbin. I just tried with a calliper held up to the screen, they seem to fit OK to me !!
I agree the insulated wire appears to be of different diameter. If you read my post attached to the picture I also had some doubts about the number of turns !!
As to a first wind going from end to end, this has been suggested as it is similar to the GeoFusion device which also had windings across the gap. This very simple arrangement seems to create a frequency doubling effect under certain conditions. A fact I personally verified.
Once again, many thanks for your input.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: nanobot on March 14, 2014, 07:16:59 AM
YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB ! And that bit of dangerous junk you keep trying to make will kill you in the end ! Why don't you just listen for once ! None of you are qualified to know what the hell you are doing and you encourage others to follow you like sheep to the slaughter . I hold you fully responsible if anyone dies or gets hurt with what you are promoting .
So you want free energy mmmmmmmmmm Do a deal with me and I will let you have a 4kwh zero-point safe 240v DC battery
legal technology safe real and lasts for around a billion years . Id say that's a good deal ! And yes it comes with a contract one that will make you a few million . Insult me up set me and WE will close down the OU !!!!
NOW STOP playing around with resonance it will kill you or someone else !!!! I doing you a big favour and this is the only chance you will ever get .
Regards
Nanobot and Atommix
Ok Nanobot,
You have a 4kw working device. What kind of deal you want, please tell openly.
Also express, why and how resonance can kill someone.
Please try to be more convincing, instead of slamming and blasting people here.
I am waiting for your response on the forum.
Best,
Nano is just seeking attention.. He has offered nothing to confirm any of his claims.
thank u guys for ur inputs concerning the different schematics. Perhaps not that bad if we try both.
Grumage, may i ask u whats the status of RMcybernetics making the PCB`s and if its maybe possible they also offer a Kit with all the required components (perhaps without ferrite core, probably good if we try different)? I really really want one :)
This weekend and next days/weeks im also going to play with the transformer part of the 30w akula and do a quick replication of a new build from romero, thats also a little similar.
Btw, i replaced the surge arrester in my v8carlo replication with an IRFP460. I used a 470volt surge arrester to limit the voltage in first cap. Till now, MOSFET didnt die. Works good, but didnt improve performance.
Kind regards,
From other Planet
Quote from: From other Planet on March 14, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
thank u guys for ur inputs concerning the different schematics. Perhaps not that bad if we try both.
Grumage, may i ask u whats the status of RMcybernetics making the PCB`s and if its maybe possible they also offer a Kit with all the required components (perhaps without ferrite core, probably good if we try different)? I really really want one :)
Kind regards,
From other Planet
Dear From other Planet.
RM Cybernetics is raring to go !! However the lovely people at Farnell have not got back with component prices yet !!
Mr RMC has recently installed a robotic PCB component placer as nowadays most discrete components are surface mounted. This device alone can save many hours of painstaking work !!
Please be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.
Cheers Grum.
In the beginning, Roman said to pump up the amps. Not to be
afraid to do so. If you tingle the coil with a few hundred mili-amps,
then you will get back what it is able to make. Pound it with a few
amps and you change the whole ball game. Bigger mag fields and
lots bigger pulses on the back end.
So if we have to feed it 10 amps to start up, so what. That is the \
price that must be paid. New coil in the make and if my hunch is right,
it should see around 14X return. That will be without a load of course.
Calculations say from a 24v input, should see around 240 output. Seems
I remember seeing that in the early Aculla devices.
Grum, again say thanks to Annunas for me, all I can say is BINGO!
All for now. Thay
Second video from the same author was published. He has intergrated the circuit in the portable LED Spotlight. He says that this circuit works ONLY with LEDs. He also shows how the core of the transformer must look like.
Video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k
Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM
QuotePlease be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.
Cheers Grum.
Thanks Grum
Count me in.
dave
Looks as though he intalled the circuit in the shop light, now thats cool.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 14, 2014, 12:46:06 AM
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067)
English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance)
We are talking about the same sort of thing right? A self running LED flashlight?
I have to say, it sure seems easy enough. Anyone close? Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?
A Vector Potential maybe?
Thank you Dog for the links.. a lot of good info there. Did anyone notice this transformer.. similar to what we are using here, but only three wires.
Maybe this video is posted already but first time i see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxenrHppvTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxenrHppvTY)
Grumage deserves to be praised, he is taking the pains to not only get the pcb but with the components installed.
This is a never before selfless social service thing and needs to be appreciated by everyone here. His actions are really inspirational and Phil Chimps must learn a lesson from him.
After all, FREE ENERGY = FREE INFORMATION.
Three cheers for Grum.
Best,
if akula is honestly real..
the person who can suceed first in a self running model and record accurate down to earth measurements,shows everything clearly, honestly, wlling to share their exact circuitry and help others to replicate.
i will send a present to your paypal account
and i feel most of us would have to do that, it will speedup this whole thing.
tried it..so far no good >:( but I obtained over 16 V on output and cold mosfet. Next my 1 ohm and 0.22 ohm resistors burned. Interesting...Unfortunately in meantime I was unable to rise voltage before voltage stabilizer above input voltage and as expected without that it can't self-run for even a second.... However smoke on my 2W resistors was interesting especially why 1Ohm resistor burned I have no idea. Journey continues...
aha....it might work...but I have no exact parts :( missing R2 430k resistor so replaced by 390k and I suspect that is the reason of over 16V on output in first test. Frequency adjusting - no difference, maybe it is not oscillating but that I might check later, my old analog scope is not function properly in high humidity (it's raining). If you can better replace R1 and R3 resistors with some high wattage like 3W or 5W and probably non-inductive type.
R2 and 100 pf capasitor is just for protect diode. Think, that kan do 420 kilomhs resistor? It have wery big resistance. And 100 picofarads is also wery small capasistance, to make some changes to whole work.
My suggestions. :)
Quote from: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 09:05:52 AM
R2 and 100 pf capasitor is just for protect diode. Think, that kan do 420 kilomhs resistor? It have wery big resistance. And 100 picofarads is also wery small capasistance, to make some changes to whole work.
I agree that the resistor is too high to have a significant influence. The capacitor, on the other side, is, somehow, increasing the reverse recovery time of the diode. I still don't have an idea what will that mean to the circuit. I'm trying to assemble it this weekend. I will let you all know what I found.
Regards,
Black Bird
Dear All.
I would first like to thank you all for your comments. They are appreciated !!
Having looked at the second video that was posted earlier it left me in no doubt that we have copied the correct schematic. That is really good news!!
MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ?? All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!
Dear Forest, keep going man !! You are streets ahead of me !! The transformer could be wound in many ways we just need to find the right configuration !!
Best wishes, cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 09:44:22 AM
Dear All.
I would first like to thank you all for your comments. They are appreciated !!
Having looked at the second video that was posted earlier it left me in no doubt that we have copied the correct schematic. That is really good news!!
MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ?? All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!
Dear Forest, keep going man !! You are streets ahead of me !! The transformer could be wound in many ways we just need to find the right configuration !!
Best wishes, cheers Grum.
Dear Grum,
Voltage at C3 is already DC, with probably a small ripple. I think that what could be important is not only the one way conduction, but also the non-linearity of the LEDs ( which are diodes). That would cause a non linear voltage feedback to the TL494 by means of R5, which is sampling the LEDs currents.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 09:44:22 AM
MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ?? All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!
I dont knowh, but think, that this schematic must work and without load, just then maybe be to big or to small duty cycle of mosfet gate and then maybe no be free energy. Because without load we not get feedback from buttom end of LED, who is load. :)
Quote from: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
Dear From other Planet.
RM Cybernetics is raring to go !! However the lovely people at Farnell have not got back with component prices yet !!
Mr RMC has recently installed a robotic PCB component placer as nowadays most discrete components are surface mounted. This device alone can save many hours of painstaking work !!
Please be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.
Cheers Grum.
Awesome!!!!!!! :) Big big thanks to u and Groundloop!!!!!
ok..that's it ... I burned my diodes bank. I think now that it require some real load around 20W or more and I used 10 ordinary leds from chinesse garden lamps... :-[ Enough smoke for today ;D Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb. I'm concerned about voltage going to 17V under load (diodes bank), but it's maybe due to low wattage of load.
High time, someone gets in touch with Roman for his advice. 8)
Keenly watching everything going on.
Best,
Quote from: energia9 on March 15, 2014, 06:02:22 AM
if akula is honestly real..
the person who can suceed first in a self running model and record accurate down to earth measurements,shows everything clearly, honestly, wlling to share their exact circuitry and help others to replicate.
i will send a present to your paypal account
and i feel most of us would have to do that, it will speedup this whole thing.
Count me in. My $ 100 present committed.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 15, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
High time, someone gets in touch with Roman for his advice. 8)
Keenly watching everything going on.
Best,
I tried and others have also. No response. :(
I see these replicas.. we need someone who has a self runner to tell us how to wind the transformer. IMO transformer is key.
Quote from: forest on March 15, 2014, 11:01:38 AM
ok..that's it ... I burned my diodes bank. I think now that it require some real load around 20W or more and I used 10 ordinary leds from chinesse garden lamps... :-[ Enough smoke for today ;D Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb. I'm concerned about voltage going to 17V under load (diodes bank), but it's maybe due to low wattage of load.
Dear forest.
"Way to go" man, it seems like you are almost there!! We are all with you !!
Cheers Grum.
PS. Someone over at OUR has noticed that the transformer windings appear to have a high temp sleeving. This also reminded me that T-1000 had been told that the transformer ran hot. Another clue ??
An led lamp 30w produced high temp that's why it is encased in alum sink better try with led first
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.
Good idea.. I like how you are working on simplifying the schematic so we can see how it works!
Unfortunately I think it maybe related to resonance. In such case transformer inductance is also important in relation to circuit operating frequency. If not matched then no ability to self-run. I have such feeling after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w
I see that some of you will do a PCB project for this one. Energia9 said "down to earth measurements" and that is the key. I will assume most replicators will have oscilloscopes.
You notice that this circuit is a variation on familiar technology. I am intentionally being very generalized: There is some kind of oscillator circuit that creates a pulse waveform. There is a MOSFET or transistor switch pulsing on to energize an inductor, or possibly a transformer core. The output signal may go through other inductors or decoupling capacitor sections until it drives a load. The load may be a string of LEDs or something else.
Once you have built it and get over the excitement of making initial input and output measurements and trying different loads, etc., then the real work begins.
You need to discuss how to make a serious power input measurement from the battery source. They way you normally do it might be good, but it's important to discuss it and have everyone agree that it's the right way to do it. Then if you have five replicators, and they all agree on how to make the measurement, and they share their data, you have a very good start. Then you can do the same thing for the output. You all discuss among each other and agree on how to make the output measurement and all agree that it is a valid measurement. Since you are all using a real PCB, I am assuming that your setups will be nearly identical, so it should be pretty easy to do.
That leads up to the most challenging part. It's to figure out how the circuit actually works. What you want to do is follow the signal path through the schematic with your scope probes. The key thing to do is simply leave Channel A on the oscillator signal, a.k.a., the "master clock." I just looked at the Russian schematic and it's pin 10 of the TL494 chip. Trigger your scope on Channel A and then use Channel B to look at any other signal on the schematic. Then if you are serious, you will get a pencil and graph paper and you will measure the different voltages at various test points and draw them on your graph paper all synchronized to the master clock. Or do the same thing digitally. In theory you can just stitch together scope screen captures and stack them one on top of each other with an image editing program and then save that as a new image.
You can look at the waveform before the pair of transistors, and then at the gate input to the MOSFET. You can see how the transistors are there to fill/empty the gate capacitance as fast as possible to make the MOSFET switch as fast as possible. Then you look at the voltages on both sides of each transformer coil and draw them out on your graph paper. Four trace captures will give you a very good idea of what the transformer is doing, no wild guessing. You look at the voltage at the top of the series of LEDs and draw that trace on your graph paper. Do it for as many signals as you want. You can take a picture of your "14-channel scope capture" with each of the 14-channels properly identified, and with a proper scale shown for the Y axis for each trace.
Then you look at the scope captures and your schematic and figure out how the circuit works. Is it when the MOSFET switches on that power is pumped into the LEDs? Or is it when the MOSFET switches off and the magnetic energy stored in the transformer core gets pumped into the LEDs?
What if you change a component value or the number of turns of one of the sides of the transformer? If you have your initial timing diagram as a reference, after you change something you check out the before/after signals.
So those are some big pointers for you. From reading the thread I know that many of you will benefit tremendously and learn a lot from this experience.
When you look at the timing diagram, you start to see how action A, results in action B, which leads to C and D, etc., until the LEDs light up. If you can collectively figure that out, so much the better for the group of replicators and followers.
MileHigh
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
We know that a core gap creates a DOUBLING of the frequency and also creates
ELECTROSTATIC pulses.
We know that the Cover over that trafo should NOT be short circuited, therefore it does not act primarily as
an electromagnetic shield, but as a electrostatic pickup.
The electrostatic energy is channeled to negative ie a pseudo earth.
Electrostatic induction is COP2 minus system losses.
All within the laws of physics.
RE RESONANCE AND TUNING.
We know that the gap in the core acts as an additional TUNING mechanism.
Think of it as two plates of a capacitor.
This device therefore can be TUNED TO RESONANCE by manipulating the CORE GAP.
Quote from: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 01:12:57 PM
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
We know that a core gap creates a DOUBLING of the frequency and also creates
ELECTROSTATIC pulses.
We know that the Cover over that trafo should NOT be short circuited, therefore it does not act primarily as
an electromagnetic shield, but as a electrostatic pickup.
The electrostatic energy is channeled to negative ie a pseudo earth.
Electrostatic induction is COP2 minus system losses.
All within the laws of physics.
V good input indeed. How much would be the system losses, any wild guess ?
Best,
A.king21:
Ideas and theories are always good, but the real "proof in the pudding" with respect to your theories could be checked after the circuit is built and tested. The operation of the standard design has to be understood first. Only after the replicators have done the standard circuit tests for the standard design should they start to venture out into exploring theories and making tests for those theories.
MileHigh
Mile High: I am not publishing theories but facts which have been experimentally verified.
We need to build the circuit to see if all the independently verified tests cohere into a working unit.
Re system losses: It doesn't matter, because if one iteration of the circuit gains just ONE ELECTRON
from the electrostatic field; then we have solved the puzzle.
At the speed of light this will translate into a working FE unit.
Quote from: forest on March 15, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Unfortunately I think it maybe related to resonance. In such case transformer inductance is also important in relation to circuit operating frequency. If not matched then no ability to self-run. I have such feeling after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w)
I agree. I think it is related to resonance and knowing the secret of the transformer.
A.king21:
Sorry, but honestly you are speaking in wishful thinking terms. You could call it "fantasy talk." The statements you are making must be verified. It all comes down to the real thing. If you suggest a change or you are building a replication yourself, every theory connected to some kind of change in the circuit has to be validated on the bench. Likewise, if you have theories about how the standard unmodified setup works, that also has to be validated on the bench. It's the real way to learn this stuff for many people - by doing it.
The wisest course of action is to presume nothing beforehand. Build it then start verifying the operation of the circuit. In other words, take one step at a time.
MileHigh
Guys, let everyone do this there own way. Lets focus on trying to get a working unit.
Quote from: forest on March 15, 2014, 11:01:38 AM... Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb....
Who made this divice say, that fits ONLY LED LOAD! Halogen not good for this free energy generator. If you burn LED, then maybe try without any load and remove feedback wire maybe. Or conect two 12 volts LED to series.
And here my suggestions how can work without feedback.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 12:16:54 PM
I see these replicas.. we need someone who has a self runner to tell us how to wind the transformer. IMO transformer is key.
I beleave, that transformer nothing speshal have, just wound like in picture or like simple transformer, with 0,75 mm2 cable and 15 and 45 turns...
Quote from: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.
If I good remeber, author say, that only LED load, if you make like in picture, with diode, he say, that not works.
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Guys, it's ultimately up to you how you do your replications. Be forewarned what usually happens is that after a few weeks of focus with everybody doing their own thing, the enthusiasm starts to drop off and people start doing different and sometimes crazy tests, nobody gets over unity results. Then the thread hums along possibly for months and months but no real progress is made. In other words like a Kapanadze thread. Or the thread just withers and dies. You read the thread and you start looking hard for serious measurements and they become fewer and fewer.
This circuit is a variation on a pulse circuit. It's just a question of understanding how it operates as a pulse circuit.
One final thought, it is really *really* hard to measure the power going into a bank of LEDs unless you have a good DSO. It may be worthwhile to discuss the option to swap out the LEDs for some kind of resistor. A resistor may be a perfectly acceptable alternative to LEDs with the advantage that it's very easy to measure the power across a resistor. You may or may not actually have to get a special low inductance load resistor also, it all depends on the waveforms you observe.
MileHigh
Quote from: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 01:12:57 PM
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
...
Author nothing say about gap, I bealive, that in his divice no air gap. :)
Quote from: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Author nothing say about gap, I bealive, that in his divice no air gap. :)
I have dismantled a crt TV trafo similar to the Akula replication and it has a 3mm GAP in the middle.
Grumage has also experimentally verified no ringdown using a gap.
Everything I post is based on FACTS.
This the place to share anything that you think will help others getting a working device. Whether it is a fact, a schematic, a quote, a video, or opinion.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 15, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
One final thought, it is really *really* hard to measure the power going into a bank of LEDs unless you have a good DSO. It may be worthwhile to discuss the option to swap out the LEDs for some kind of resistor. A resistor may be a perfectly acceptable alternative to LEDs with the advantage that it's very easy to measure the power across a resistor. You may or may not actually have to get a special low inductance load resistor also, it all depends on the waveforms you observe.
MileHigh
Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
Actually, if it self runs, measuring power to confirm overunity is a moot point. Not that measuring output power is not an important thing, to know the real capabilities of the circuit and to try a scaling up of the output power.
Cheers,
Black Bird
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
No. Resistor R5 is not for curent limiting, but for making feedback with capasitor C5 to R7 resistor and TL.
Quote from: Black_Bird on March 15, 2014, 02:43:25 PM
Actually, if it self runs, measuring power to confirm overunity is a moot point. Not that measuring output power is not an important thing, to know the real capabilities of the circuit and to try a scaling up of the output power.
Cheers,
Black Bird
I don't think he said anything about confirming OU.. just easier to make measurements, which is what he and others likes to do.
Quote from: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
No. Resistor R5 is not for curent limiting, but for making feedback with capasitor C5 to R7 resistor and TL.
Thanks. We weren't talking about R5.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
This the place to share anything that you think will help others getting a working device. Whether it is a fact, a schematic, a quote, a video, or opinion.
Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.
Welcome to club forest! I also just 2 times made a big smoke cloud and now my MosfetPulse Board and TL494 based frequency generator passed away. F*** i still needed it for my first akula device replica and other projects.
>:( >:( >:( :( :( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Hoppy on March 15, 2014, 02:56:45 PM
Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.
Good evening Hoppy.
It appears that your advice was perhaps a little too late for dear From other Planet !!
However we need to find out what is basically overloading the drive circuit ?? We now have got two prototypes that have burned out. Do we have, dare I say OVERUNITY ?? A rising out of control event ??
A scope would be of great help whilst testing this circuit so a runaway could be avoided.
Keep up the great work Guy's !!
Cheers Grum.
Hi all,
I've been studying the 494 IC. Here is a link to the datasheet.
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/28827/TI/TL494IN.html (http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/28827/TI/TL494IN.html)
Dear All.
Short video showing how the manipulation of the air gap alters the output waveform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ThpfhQqTQ
Let's see if we can improve to a ring up ??
Cheers Grum.
.
Then I maked this divice for me burned many shotkys and not shotkyes diodes who in schematic is MBR, but I use others. Nothing other are burned. I burn about 5-7 in that places diodes. :D Burn and UF5404, who 400 volts and if good remeber UF5408, who 1000 volts, then ajusting, maybe, in small frenquency. So can bay many shotkeys diodes 10 amps 35-50 volts.
Quote from: bolt on March 15, 2014, 04:39:41 PM
This circuit is nothing special. You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. ...
I Bealive that here no 1 kw. I see that video and that lamp Weshley say in full brightness, but i see, that it light on about 5 procents of it power. So I not bealive, that they get free energy. Maybe get, but wery small amout of it.
This circuit is nothing special. You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. All the answers fully disclosed now couple of years at least public domain. Instead of push pull discrete fet driver use dedicated IC fet driver instead. A full H bridge design is superior to get max power and symmetry into driver stage. If you have RF sig gens you can make tests using these with a wideband PA fet amplifier as a core driver.
This is a ferrite banging device requires ferrite yoke, rings, cores, slugs or anything else to forced into a piezo electric state where ferrite becomes a "SQUEELING PIG! You need to drive the core into full magnetic saturation then make sure the ferrite is gapped to make ASYMETRIC transformer. Use a paper shim. Be careful as you must drive the ferrite hard couple of amps 20 or 30 watts or more. You will hear sweet spot when tuned when ferrite goes critical! CAUTION! FERRITE CORES CAN EXPLODE UNDER SUCH CONDITIONS. Cores will get hot. Ferrite will burst with harmonics in this state going into lots of Mhz. Panasonic microwave oven cores are good can be driven with couple hundred watts. When you can hear the cores SCREAM you are then in the ballpark of going OU. The load must be matched. Impeadance not too low or too high. Random tuning and tickling these cores with milliwats or shit driver will get you no where. You dont have to use LED lights. Halogen can work but of course LED is of course MUCH brighter.
The only real design work is finding the best coil winding solution to match YOUR cores to YOUR load. Everyone will be different.
Quote from: bolt on March 15, 2014, 05:03:56 PM
This circuit is nothing special. You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. All the answers fully disclosed now couple of years at least public domain. Instead of push pull discrete fet driver use dedicated IC fet driver instead. A full H bridge design is superior to get max power and symmetry into driver stage. If you have RF sig gens you can make tests using these with a wideband PA fet amplifier as a core driver.
This is a ferrite banging device requires ferrite yoke, rings, cores, slugs or anything else to forced into a piezo electric state where ferrite becomes a "SQUEELING PIG! You need to drive the core into full magnetic saturation then make sure the ferrite is gapped to make ASYMETRIC transformer. Use a paper shim. Be careful as you must drive the ferrite hard couple of amps 20 or 30 watts or more. You will hear sweet spot when tuned when ferrite goes critical! CAUTION! FERRITE CORES CAN EXPLODE UNDER SUCH CONDITIONS. Cores will get hot. Ferrite will burst with harmonics in this state going into lots of Mhz. Panasonic microwave oven cores are good can be driven with couple hundred watts. When you can hear the cores SCREAM you are then in the ballpark of going OU. The load must be matched. Impeadance not too low or too high. Random tuning and tickling these cores with milliwats or shit driver will get you no where. You dont have to use LED lights. Halogen can work but of course LED is of course MUCH brighter.
The only real design work is finding the best coil winding solution to match YOUR cores to YOUR load. Everyone will be different.
Good post. I've experimented 'bashing' different types of ferrite in the past using a PWM 150A, full H-Bridge motor controller modified from a fixed 25KHz to variable frequency control. However, be very careful as this type of experimentation can be dangerous! Wear eye protection and use a polycarbonate screen between you and the DUT. Getting conclusive results is difficult. Bolt is correct IMO when he says that tickling your ferrite will lead nowhere.
Quote from: Hoppy on March 15, 2014, 02:56:45 PM
Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.
A 3 amp breaker or inline fuse is a good idea. I calculate 3 amps.. I think correct.
Maybe something like this..
http://greatlakesskipper.com/carling-3-amp-push-to-reset-boat-breaker-w-boot?gclid=CPXF6YPAlr0CFaw-Mgodml4AqQ (http://greatlakesskipper.com/carling-3-amp-push-to-reset-boat-breaker-w-boot?gclid=CPXF6YPAlr0CFaw-Mgodml4AqQ)
Quote from: 11111 on March 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Second video from the same author was published. He has intergrated the circuit in the portable LED Spotlight. He says that this circuit works ONLY with LEDs. He also shows how the core of the transformer must look like.
Video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)
Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM)
Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video. I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.
http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361 (http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361)
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 03:35:05 AM
Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video. I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.
Good point, especially as after he shows the circuit board in the lamps battery compartment, the camera is put down and shows a blank whilst he screws the battery compartment housing to the lamp!! Not at all convincing. :(
Quote from: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 03:42:06 AM
Good point, especially as after he shows the circuit board in the lamps battery compartment, the camera is put down and shows a blank whilst he screws the battery compartment housing to the lamp!! Not all convincing. :(
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!! they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate. how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate. a weak fake..
Quote from: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!! they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate. how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate. a weak fake..
That makes sense as the original circuit shown is his 'special design' inverter that would efficiently drive an LED element from a battery supply, so as to give him a portable wires free lamp. I'm assuming here that he is able to pick-up the connections to the LED element for connection to his inverter, so as to bypass the converter.
Quote from: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!! they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate. how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate. a weak fake..
He's using only one electrode and its neg, this is ionizing the transformer with pos ions, he's drawing more voltage than amperage, and voltage is what it takes for leds.
Look at a joule thief it uses high voltage bemf to light the led, same here.
just try doing what you have just said with this floodlight, buy one and do it. :)
im sorry if im being harsh, this forum is like a kaleidoscope often.
Quote from: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 07:57:17 AM
just try doing what you have just said with this floodlight, buy one and do it. :)
OK, I take it then from your comment, that its not practically possible. In which case, he is probably driving the in-built step-down converter from his inverter, probably powered from a hidden battery under the circuit board.
Quote from: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 08:04:16 AM
OK, I take it then from your comment, that its not practically possible. In which case, he is probably driving the in-built step-down converter from his inverter, probably powered from a hidden battery under the circuit board.
there is a lot of ways he could have lit that light to ''full brightness'' , especially with his zoomed bamboozle camera movements
Let say if that not fake. Then after back EMF is self oscilations, I see in oscilioscope, in my transformer about 250 kiloherc. Maybe need tune to this frencuency? Or maybe this oscilations feed capasitors? So maybe need duty cycle use about 30 precent, to get longer, more this oscilations? Akula write, that this is transgenerator Melnichenko. Melnichenko use duty cycle about 30 precents. But in this wersion, I bealive, that air gap is not needed!
So author officialy answer, that 2000 uF capasitors are 35 volts.
He also wrote "Повторяю ещё раз ! Только светодиоды и ничего другого там больше не работает. У меня не получилось запитать лампочку. Соберите сперва на диодах, а там эксперементируйте."[/font][/size]
"Say one more time! Only light emiting diodes and nothing more here not work. I not get sucsesfully feed small lamp. Asamble first on diodes, and then eksperimentate."
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ? go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 16, 2014, 08:47:27 AM
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ? go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.
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i admire your openness , i like the way you think , but there are people who want to make fool of us , and im just seeing through them.
He answers to my comment "И ещё, что важного в той части, где Л1 и R1? R1 важен? Но это просто сопротивление, которое только потери создаёт, не так? Л1 важен (левый)? Но это просто дросель, который импульсы превращает более в синус, чтоб на микросхему помех-импульсов не шло, так что там важного?"[/font][/size]Answer: "Все резисторы важны ! Кондёры 2000 мкф 35 вольт . Кондёр надо поставить перед кренкой , а не после дросселя !!! Это исправить надо в схеме. Далее напрягайте ум Ваш господа по поводу 15 и 16 ног микросхемы :) Они там играют большую роль в регулировки скважности."[/font][/size] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM))
Here say, that all resistors are important. And say, that capasitor need put before 12 volt stabilizer, but not after choke. But that capasitor I not understood. ???
Maybe he that means:
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 03:35:05 AM
Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video. I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.
http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361
@all
Hala f'n luya. I was waiting for someone else to say this instead of pesky @wattsup shooting off his mouth again. hehehe
The lamp in question has the following description. "Portable 10W COB Type Super Bright LED Work Light Rechargeable Flood Light Lamp Yellow."
All @x-name41 really needed to do was redo his former video and just lift the circuit board and transformer off the table. That's all he needed to do in a one minute follow-up video. Instead we see his "lamporious" (new word) effort to make you believe that lamp has no batteries inside. Wow. No proof man. Then he tries to distract you by showing that there are no batteries inside the lamp handle. This is often the case when you have something to hide, you show something else that has nothing hidden. hehehe
I strongly recommend that you guys not consider @x_name41 devices as typical of the Akula 30 watt unless he decides to stop playing tricks. Most importantly, his build does not include a copper strip in his transformer so how can you expect the same results as Akula.
@all
I put a post in my thread to not clutter up this thread. hehehe
http://www.overunity.com/13234/welcome-to-understanding-overunity/msg393003/#msg393003
But please if anyone answers that post relative to works done here, please post it here without copying the complete post and putting it here. Also, please do not copy the complete post if you are posting in my thread. hehehe
@Grumage
If your circuit maker can also populate them and if the IC's are on those push on terminals for easy replacement, plus if the transistor can come with a push in socket again for easy replacement, I would be good for two circuits via Paypal. Ideally if that R&D circuit could have push in terminals for IC's, transistors and any capacitor that controls the pulse frequency range and/or pulse width. This way if you need to change the frequency range it could be as simple as changing of a capacitor. Top EEers would know better about which one(s) to consider. Even if the circuit costs 10 bucks more, being able to change a blown component by simply pulling it out and pushing another one in will save time and be less of a hurdle for guys to continue their R&D.
wattsup
PS: The freakiest thing. As I posted on both threads, both threads show a read count of 18199. That is so freaky.
Quote from: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 03:21:22 PM
Good evening Hoppy.
It appears that your advice was perhaps a little too late for dear From other Planet !!
However we need to find out what is basically overloading the drive circuit ?? We now have got two prototypes that have burned out. Do we have, dare I say OVERUNITY ?? A rising out of control event ??
A scope would be of great help whilst testing this circuit so a runaway could be avoided.
Keep up the great work Guy's !!
Cheers Grum.
Hey, no im not yet at 30W akula. Still busy with attached schematic and scopeshots from Romero. But i see interesting waveform on scope. Here quote of my post in Romero forum:
"Hi Romero,
I'm trying to replicate attached schematic from u. Sadly i didn't see the post where u said to wind on top of each other. So i wound all 3 coils together, like a bedini. Of course L3 ends earlier, as its only half length. I'm also not really sure what u mean with on top of each other. Like 1 coil on 1 side of air gap, 1 on other, and Output above both? I'm using small airgap, as a certain gap so far gives best results. Also i not really understand the tuning with different octaves for L1 and L2, my coils both "vibrate" at same frequency, which is dependant on the size of the tuning capacitor.
The good news is, i see these additional square pulses that seem to come out of nowhere, like on ur scopeshots, but only 1 till 4 per MOSFET pulse, depending on Input Voltage. And without the additional high frequency ringing on the waveform
BTW, what u mean with litz wire for L1 and L2, u mean many from each other insulated strands?
Please dear Romero give me a hint
kind regards,
From other Planet"
Quote from: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!! they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate. how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate. a weak fake..
Hello All:
Well I am sorry to differ with you on this one:
I run an Alternative Solar Energy company, and every day we deal with LED (solar and conventional lighting):
I commonly rewire LED to run from 12/24 VDC and mod them to work from Buck and Boost converters.
All LEDs are DC animals...... All of the models that we stock and sell and install are incontrovertible (using the appropriate Buck or AC-DC SMPS or Boost) from one supply voltage to another.
I can remove the SMPS or Converter from the backside of the LED 'fixture' and run it from straight DC without a converter using the appropriate DC voltage, which depends upon the make and manufacturer of the LED lamp.
I have run LEDs from a type of Air coil with super high voltages and very little current...... Afterwards they still function on 12VDC.
So, I don't know if the video in question is a fake, but I will say that NOT all LED fixtures have a cast polyester Voltage converter that cannot be removed.....
take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: Dave45 on March 16, 2014, 08:47:27 AM
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ? go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.
You need to stop telling people to shove off. In my case I'm trying to be constructive and work out what the last video was all about. Is he trying to show that he has a genuine self-running lamp, or that he has a self designed 'special' inverter that runs his lamp efficiently from a battery, or that he is deliberately trying to mislead by hiding a battery under the circuit board. I'm sure you are no wiser than me as to which of these three options is the truth. You can carry on believing that he must have a self-runner but at the moment I'm of the opinion that he has an inverter that may be efficiently driving his lamp and that coupled to this there is a distinct possibility that he also wishes us to believe that its a self-runner. Neither video is well presented in a technical sense and fails to explain exactly what is being demonstrated!
Quote from: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
You need to stop telling people to shove off. In my case I'm trying to be constructive and work out what the last video was all about. Is he trying to show that he has a genuine self-running lamp, or that he has a self designed 'special' inverter that runs his lamp efficiently from a battery, or that he is deliberately trying to mislead by hiding a battery under the circuit board. I'm sure you are no wiser than me as to which of these three options is the truth. You can carry on believing that he must have a self-runner but at the moment I'm of the opinion that he has an inverter that may be efficiently driving his lamp and that coupled to this there is a distinct possibility that he also wishes us to believe that its a self-runner. Neither video is well presented in a technical sense and fails to explain exactly what is being demonstrated!
I agree with you Hoppy. I haven't seen a good video on the 30w device yet. Specially details on winding the transformer. I hope that one of us on this thread gets a self runner to give us more confidence in this device.
This video of Akula0083's 1w device, which I believe was recorded by Akula0083 (Roman), is a lot more convincing; which gives me hope. (Not saying it couldn't be faked though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw)
@Grum,
I watched your video where you attempted to get the transformer to ring-up and a thought crossed my mind...
Recall the magnet through the copper pipe experiment--I would bet there is a bunch of ringing going on in there.
Suppose if you took a thin piece of copper foil and wrapped/soldiered it around one side of the E-Core center stem before you inserted it into the bobbin. Any chance this would promote ring-up? Willing to give it a shot?
I don't know whether the primary or secondary side would be the best choice or not. Maybe even across the gap would be worth a test.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 02:16:09 PM
@Grum,
I watched your video where you attempted to get the transformer to ring-up and a thought crossed my mind...
Recall the magnet through the copper pipe experiment--I would bet there is a bunch of ringing going on in there.
So do you suppose if you took a thin piece of copper foil and wrapped/soldiered it around one side of the E-Core center stem before you inserted it into the bobbin. Any chance this would promote ring-up? Willing to give it a shot?
Good thought. I'm not clear if the copper foil is suppose to be on the outside of the windings or around the core.
I with Dave45 on this one...no big surprise there huh ?
By letting the children in the playground play, thats how new games are born.
Too much structure, and its the same old game played over and over.
This is truism is not rocket science folks.
Regards...
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 02:21:06 PM
Good thought. I'm not clear if the copper foil is suppose to be on the outside of the windings or around the core.
My thought was that something is hidden from us, so likely the foil would be between the bobbin and the center stem of the E-Core. Looking at my core and bobbin, there is enough slop in there for just such a thing and if you didn't know about, you may never get this device to work.
Until we know exactly what makes this device operate repeatedly, the leave no stone unturned approach is still valid.
But u would/should see the wire going to the foil...
Quote from: From other Planet on March 16, 2014, 02:55:24 PM
But u would/should see the wire going to the foil...
Not if connected underneath the transformer.. we only see one side.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Not if connected underneath the transformer.. we only see one side.
I wouldn't imagine there would be anything connected to the foil. It would simply be a single turn close-looped winding as seen by the core--maybe enough to create the ringing Grum is looking to find.
I also have no idea of the thickness or width, so we'll have to use our best judgment to start and try some variations to see if this heads in the right direction or not.
Dear All.
I am writing to report a serious error I have just found with the linear ring signal !!
It would appear that it was noise from my switch mode PSU that was being manipulated and not the air gap as first thought. I have deleted the video in question and would like to offer my sincerest apologies for the mistake.
So it's back to the drawing board !!??
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 16, 2014, 03:16:31 PM
Dear All.
I am writing to report a serious error I have just found with the linear ring signal !!
It would appear that it was noise from my switch mode PSU that was being manipulated and not the air gap as first thought. I have deleted the video in question and would like to offer my sincerest apologies for the mistake.
So it's back to the drawing board !!??
Cheers Grum.
No sweat Grum, thanks much for the demo--got me thinking.
Swap it with a good old lead-acid battery and lets try some copper foil tests. :)
Thinking about getting this PWM. 8)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-35A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-/290886259380?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43ba2c12b4&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-35A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-/290886259380?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43ba2c12b4&vxp=mtr)
Quote from: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
I wouldn't imagine there would be anything connected to the foil. It would simply be a single turn close-looped winding as seen by the core--maybe enough to create the ringing Grum is looking to find.
I also have no idea of the thickness or width, so we'll have to use our best judgment to start and try some variations to see if this heads in the right direction or not.
I believe it is connected to ground/negative in the schematic and open looped (not shorted or small gap).
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 04:20:48 PM
I believe it is connected to ground/negative in the schematic and open looped (not shorted or small gap).
I saw that. What I have to wonder is if that is all there is to it. Very easy to leave off a tiny but most important piece from a schematic or patent for that matter.
Just an open-loop foil on the outside may not produce the effect I think Grum was looking for, but a closed-loop on the inside...? Maybe.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
I saw that. What I have to wonder is if that is all there is to it. Very easy to leave off a tiny but most important piece from a schematic or patent for that matter.
Just an open-loop foil on the outside may not produce the effect I think Grum was looking for, but a closed-loop on the inside...? Maybe.
Dear Dog-One.
Sorry no, that would create a shorted turn!! Just tried it !! :)
It is more likely an RFI suppressor or electrostatic collector. It could also create a virtual ground ??
There have also been suggestions about fitting a flywheel diode across the Mosfet however I can say that this supresses the ring completely. There are so many variables to this transformer that I feel without a little more knowledge it's like trying to shoot the bulls eye blindfolded !! Well it's keeping me off the streets that's for sure !! :)
Cheers Grum.
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en
Please keep your, your family members and pets safety in mind while experimenting with free energy devices that produce considerable oscillating magnetic fields of high frequencies. Better keep them inside a faraday cage or something that limits the spread of the fields.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 16, 2014, 11:40:31 PM
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en (http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en)
Please keep your, your family members and pets safety in mind while experimenting with free energy devices that produce considerable oscillating magnetic fields of high frequencies. Better keep them inside a faraday cage or something that limits the spread of the fields.
Best,
I cook on induction burner.. still healthy. We are talking about a lot lower wattage here. I am not worried.
Thanks for the info.
You guys ignored my comments about discussing and agreeing on how to make your input and output power measurements. Likewise nobody commented on my remarks about constructing a timing diagram with the aid of your scope as a way to understand how the circuit works. From my perspective before you even get the project going you are sticking your heads in the sand. On the other hand, some of you are convinced that the circuit is going to be over unity without even having built it. That is not wise.
I read all of your comments over the past few days. The comments say a lot about many of you with respect to your inexperience in electronics. What's very obvious is that as a group of replicators and interested followers that will be contributing to the thread, you need a mentor that will guide you through your replications and the subsequent investigation. The best case is that someone among the replicators understands electronics and has real-world experience and will give you guidance because nearly all of you really need it.
If no one takes heed of my advice, I am afraid this one will not get very far, and no one will come to a definitive conclusion. In other words, the same old frustrating pattern that we have seen many times before.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on March 17, 2014, 01:49:58 AM
you need a mentor that will guide you through your replications
You want to be our mentor. That is fine with me. I welcome all input (as long as it isn't trolling).
@MileHigh, and all, good day,
i never post on this thread because people think i am dis-tractor or time waster.
from the beginning i feel that this forum needs a clear theory about this circuit how it works.
it is looking so simple, only a frequency and duty cycle chip and a ferrite transformer.
we can not get the best result if no one in us have a clear cut idea or theory how this circuit works.
if any one here, to guide us , is most welcome.
we need no video or schematic, we only need correct theory.
Regards,
D.J
Here after brake going Back EMF and self oscilations of probarly primary windings in my one ferite transformer.
Quote from: DilJalaay on March 17, 2014, 02:39:48 AM
@MileHigh, and all, good day,
i never post on this thread because people think i am dis-tractor or time waster.
from the beginning i feel that this forum needs a clear theory about this circuit how it works.
it is looking so simple, only a frequency and duty cycle chip and a ferrite transformer.
we can not get the best result if no one in us have a clear cut idea or theory how this circuit works.
if any one here, to guide us , is most welcome.
we need no video or schematic, we only need correct theory.
Regards,
D.J
Don't be put off posting on any thread, just because you fear being branded a distractor and time waster. To some members of this forum, anyone showing the slightest sign of doubt that this or that video is showing a device self-running as claimed is marked down as a waste of time, government agent / shill.
I can understand why the guy needed some form of inverter to run his LED lamp given that it was manufactured with a converter to run off the grid. I'm sure that at least one those building this circuit will manage to light an LED element, powered by a 12V battery and even light the same lamp as featured in the video even if the converter cannot be isolated from the LED element. A successful builder could also post their own faked video showing an LED lamp operating in an apparently self-running mode, simply by concealing the battery behind the circuit board. This will surely strengthen the belief amongst the 'believers' that the original video was indeed a self-runner as someone else has appeared to replicate it! Attempting to replicate a self-runner is to my mind a waste of time unless the video is accompanied by an explanation of its principle of operation and full build details. We should expect nothing short of this from anyone being honest and genuine in the wish to participate in an open sourced FE environment.
So he removed video. He write (then not be removed), that acumulator is removed from this projector, it remaded.
4Tesla:
Sorry, but I am not interested in becoming a mentor to the group on this thread. I was just offering some good suggestions for doing the analysis of the circuit and turning it into a good learning experience for many. So perhaps there is someone that will help you, or, you will undertake to collectively help yourselves.
MileHigh
Try to make this generator of free energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd)
But unsucsesfully, first with about 10-5 % duty cycle, then with 45 %, more seems that need small duty cycle. Without secondary conected, power consumptions is small, then conect secondary, it makes big. One of my diodes is not shotky. Load is LED lamp of nominal voltage 36-48 volts.
After watching the video, I am not convinced of overunity, mainly because the duration is short, it looks like even a well built joule thief can light up the LED like that and last for that long. What do you think?
I suppose a healthy bit of suspicion might save us rushing into replication and wasting our time and energy.
Best wishes,
lanenal
Quote from: MenofFather on March 17, 2014, 08:14:57 AM
Try to make this generator of free energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd)
But unsucsesfully, first with about 10-5 % duty cycle, then with 45 %, more seems that need small duty cycle. Without secondary conected, power consumptions is small, then conect secondary, it makes big. One of my diodes is not shotky. Load is LED lamp of nominal voltage 36-48 volts.
No need to be happy, the builder is following this thread and is unhappy with the results. See his latest comments on his video after I asked in Russian to share the circuit.
Not that easy. Hmm..
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 17, 2014, 09:25:35 AM
No need to be happy, the builder is following this thread and is unhappy with the results. See his latest comments on his video after I asked in Russian to share the circuit.
Not that easy. Hmm..
Best,
Yes, I see that the circuit that he references is the Same circuit that is MISSING the Ground from the Voltage divider, LED indicator from the 12 regulator supply, and from PIN #16 on the TL494.
I commented about this apparent error on page 6 of this thread......
take care, peace
lost_bro
I now use other transformer, like in picture and in video. I use low frenquency and burn LED lamp (because get wery hight voltage of Back EMF in low frenquency). Secondary windings I not use at that time.
Dear All.
I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.
If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??
For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in figure 4 from the attached PDF ?? To create the condition I have explained above ??
Thought or comments gratefully received.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 19, 2014, 06:39:32 AM
Dear All.
I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.
If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??
For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in figure 4 from the attached PDF ?? To create the condition I have explained above ??
Thought or comments gratefully received.
Cheers Grum.
Do like in this picture and you, I think, have bigest chance to make this divice). This schematic is from author.
He say, that first wound primary coil of 15 turns, turn to turn wound, then piesce of paper and wound secondary coil 45 turns, also turn to turn. Coils wound like show in schematic in oposite directions.
Also not wery clearly say, but something like this, that after primary coil is short turn of ecran (one turn of tape of specific metal, maybe cuper is good) and after secondary coil is short turn of ecran. So wound primary, then tape of paper, then ecran short, then secondary, then ecran short. Load 5-20 W LED 12 V.
@Grumage, MenofFather and others: Keep up the good work, we will get there somewhen, im sure. I cant help much here atm, as im still busy with 2-3 other devices and wanted to wait for RMcybernetics PCB before i start.
Men of Father, well good luck!!!!! But u sure that schematic came directly from akula? If u shouldnt be succesful like this, maybe u can try again with a ground(minus) connection on the other side of R20. If u are in contact with akula, maybe u can ask him about this connection too?
Also try to confirm the schematic he sends u is really the one u received, perhaps he can have a quick look here.
All the best and kind regards!
"In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ??"
Yes. Driving LED back EMF of L1 seams.
Quote from: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 10:48:42 AM
@Grumage, MenofFather and others: Keep up the good work, we will get there somewhen, im sure. I cant help much here atm, as im still busy with 2-3 other devices and wanted to wait for RMcybernetics PCB before i start.
Men of Father, well good luck!!!!! But u sure that schematic came directly from akula? If u shouldnt be succesful like this, maybe u can try again with a ground(minus) connection on the other side of R20. If u are in contact with akula, maybe u can ask him about this connection too?
Also try to confirm the schematic he sends u is really the one u received, perhaps he can have a quick look here.
All the best and kind regards!
NO. Schematic not from akula, but from man, who make this free energy divice. Akula not answering to questions, he only to one my question answer. And help me only, then I work on it one divice...
Quote from: Grumage on March 19, 2014, 06:39:32 AM
Dear All.
I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.
If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??
For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in figure 4 from the attached PDF ?? To create the condition I have explained above ??
Thought or comments gratefully received.
Cheers Grum.
Good day Grum:
Basically when designing and SMPS one must take into consideration Switching Frequency, operating Flux Density, resulting core loss and desired operating temperature. Also depending on the topology of the device, full bridge, push-pull, forward, buck , boost, cuk, sepic, etc; you must know before hand which quadrant(s) of the B/H curve you plan to operate within. ..
Without sounding like a broken record repeating the Zen interelatedness of the various factors which are all critically related, I want to mention just a few facts that affect the design of the SMPS XFMR. I think this is useful for review considering that the design of SMPS XFRMRs is just as much an art as it is a science.
It is without doubt the most difficult piece of an SMPS to be designed.....
DC conduction losses and AC switching losses:
Transformer losses can be divided into:
1: core loss — the energy used in magnetizing the core, and:
2: conduction loss associated with passing current through the windings of the transformer (I2R losses). Meaning that wire size, path length and winding density all have a role to play.
The inductor core loss is an AC loss that is a function of switching frequency. Core losses are due mainly to magnetic hysteresis loss, which can be imagined as the friction generated as the Magnetic field induced by the inductor snaps past the crystalline lattice of the inductor matrix (material composing the inductor). In a high frequency SMPS, the core material may be powdered iron or ferrite. In general, powdered iron cores saturate softly but have high core loss, while ferrite material saturates more sharply but has less core loss.
Unfortunately, you also have to deal with Conduction and Switching losses generated by the Switch (MOSFET) also:
When you double the switching frequency in a design, you halve your flux density for a given number of turns in the transformer.
So:
Smaller cores can more easily tolerate a higher peak flux density at higher switching frequencies than larger cores. Why? Because core loss is proportional to volume but cooling is proportional to the core's radiating surface area.
I have seen more than one Russian designed 'eternal light device' that the developer has complained of 'MOSFET overheating problems'.
Please see link from Wesley; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxFuW3JYdY
Anyhow, I see a trend here on these devices in general: There is some type of anomaly involving the functioning of the transformer to invoke an excess of energy production: This directly affects the functioning of the MOSFETs, maybe throwing them into Avalanche mode or at any rate affecting the switching behavior as to illicit an overheating condition.
I have attached more detailed information on SMPS core selection and magnetic information FYI.
Well, I wish you the best of luck with this.
take care, peace
lost_bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img)
This is, I believe, the principle of the Akula device.
Quote from: MenofFather on March 19, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
Do like in this picture and you, I think, have bigest chance to make this divice). This schematic is from author.
He say, that first wound primary coil of 15 turns, turn to turn wound, then piesce of paper and wound secondary coil 45 turns, also turn to turn. Coils wound like show in schematic in oposite directions.
Also not wery clearly say, but something like this, that after primary coil is short turn of ecran (one turn of tape of specific metal, maybe cuper is good) and after secondary coil is short turn of ecran. So wound primary, then tape of paper, then ecran short, then secondary, then ecran short. Load 5-20 W LED 12 V.
Could you please draw a graphic of how you think transformer wound. Thanks!
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 19, 2014, 12:56:45 PM
Could you please draw a graphic of how you think transformer wound. Thanks!
Thank you MenofFather 8)
Hi guys,
I have been monitoring this thread from start.
Here is what I see:
The 'Akula0083 circuit' you are trying to duplicate is essentially a simple device which
(for simplicity), can be divided into two (2) sections:
a. Control ("exciter")
b. "Free energy"
I comment mainly on the control section which you have thoroughly messed up!
Admit it or not, most of you have contributed to this.
I am particularly critical of some of the 'technical' comments made!
They are WAY OFF!
OK.
The control section is based on the TL494 PWM IC which has been around for over 30 years.
It became an industry standard, so to speak.
In the past, most computer SMPS used this IC.
It is well understood and works well.
If you care to watch (and pay attention!) to the video where Akula explains all three (3) versions of his MOSFET drivers, you would not be confused and would stop 'butchering' the circuit!
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared ("Akmodedit.png") where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!
In other words:
By removing that Ground connection in the diagram, you DISABLE not only the indicator LED but also DISABLE BOTH error amplifiers, A1 & A2!
If you pay proper attention to the details in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch) feature=player_embedded&v=EwCS15pRtH0&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EwCS15pRtH0&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74)
you will see that the disputed Ground link (connection) is PRESENT in all 3 versions of the diagram.
No, you don't even have to understand the language!
By the way, the author announced a few days ago that English subtitles are coming soon!
Then there is one other point which everyone have missed, including Akula it seems!
Irrespective of which (of the 3) MOSFET drivers you use, there is only ONE MOSFET in this device and the drive is single-ended.
Period.
Yet, the output logic control (pin13) is tied to pin 14 which is the reference voltage. (+5V, ±5%)
Therefore, the output stage is operating in push-pull mode.
(Only one poster commented on this, in RED, written over the diagram.)
Sure, it still works this way BUT the output frequency is only HALF the oscillator frequency.
If pin 13 was connected to Ground (0V), the output would operate in the single-ended mode which gives the option to parallel the two output transistors, thus gaining significant current drive to the MOSFET, either directly or through the complementary NPN/PNP driver, or through the dedicated Mosfet driver IC (IXDD609 or similar).
Lowest rise/fall times are achieved with dedicated Mosfet drivers (they are MOSFET based).
However, unless I need super fast switching, I prefer the complementary npn/pnp driver since I found that the MOSFET drivers are too "touchy" for experimental work (meaning they are too easy to blow up!).
To those who intend to try to duplicate this circuit, my advice is:
Make sure the control section works properly before attempting to experiment with the free energy section (which the transformer is part of).
Also, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!
Why do I make such a statement?
Simple.
You are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!
If you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)
Now, just for the hell of it, DOUBLE it and round it to 0.5 W.
However, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
you use.
I hope you can see the stupidity of those who blindly INSIST on input/output measurements!
Don't get me wrong.
Sure, you will be curious (as you should be!) about the output power of your device!
With devices like these, you may face a very different kind of problem!
Avalanche. Yes, avalanche.
I hope you know what that is.
(It is a runaway condition which, if not controlled, can cause DESTRUCTION of great magnitude.)
Don't believe it?
Fine. But don't complain if something blows up in your face! (or worse)
Oh...'MenofFather' posted suggestions to the winding method, including SHORTED turns!
Guys, with all due respect, with that kind of suggestions you will never get anywhere!
Guaranteed!
Cheers,
Les Banki
Mr.Banki
It is good to see you here,most are probably not aware of you experience and skills [all top shelf].
thanks for taking the time to contribute.
Chet K
PS
I did send you a Private Message
Quote from: Les Banki on March 19, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Hi guys,
I have been monitoring this thread from start.
Here is what I see:
The 'Akula0083 circuit' you are trying to duplicate is essentially a simple device which
(for simplicity), can be divided into two (2) sections:
a. Control ("exciter")
b. "Free energy"
I comment mainly on the control section which you have thoroughly messed up!
Admit it or not, most of you have contributed to this.
I am particularly critical of some of the 'technical' comments made!
They are WAY OFF!
OK.
The control section is based on the TL494 PWM IC which has been around for over 30 years.
It became an industry standard, so to speak.
In the past, most computer SMPS used this IC.
It is well understood and works well.
If you care to watch (and pay attention!) to the video where Akula explains all three (3) versions of his MOSFET drivers, you would not be confused and would stop 'butchering' the circuit!
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared ("Akmodedit.png") where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!
In other words:
By removing that Ground connection in the diagram, you DISABLE not only the indicator LED but also DISABLE BOTH error amplifiers, A1 & A2!
Cheers,
Les Banki
Good evening Les:
I've read about your work with the HHO, fuel injectors and the like (PESwiki);
I've also spent about 10 years playing with/experimenting with the SM resonant HHO system. Had some interesting results, but not like SM described.
Great to get your input on this circuit. I have not had time to wire it together yet, but I've been following the thread everyday.
Seems plausible, but you are correct to comment that if the signal generator / logic side does NOT function, nothing will function, not even with the original correct coil that Akula used. So many variables to deal with. I have wound many many coils dealing with the SM system and I will be the first to tell you that XFRMR design is very tricky territory.
Best of luck to everyone.
take care, peace.
lost_bro
@Les Banki
Great post.. Thanks You! 8)
@All,
I can't understand why people still are discussing the "ground issue" of the TL494.
This issue was solved in post 1 of this thread. All you have to do is download
the file "Akula30Wattv2.rar", unzip the file and look at my circuit drawing. I did
understand when I designed the circuit that the ground was missing and included
a ground path on the PCB. It was also discussed on page 1 of this thread. I was
asked by Grumage to design a PCB. That was what I did. There is nothing wrong
with my PCB as far as I can see. It may not be the best design but it will do the
job.
GL.
Due to proposed avalanche effect the name of the thread should be changed to Drakula runaway generator. ;D ;D
Mr. Banki scared me by saying something can blow in my face. :-\
Pun intended.
Best,
"For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of TL494.Know this: If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!"
Author also write something about 16 leg, that it must be conected to ground if I good remember...
See this and correct the circuit ;)
http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D960%26bih%3D600
Les:
QuoteAlso, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!
Your statement is the nonsense statement. There have been countless projects similar to this in the past, many where people made PCBs. There has been no magic with all of the past projects, so why should anyone just blindly believe and not try to make any measurements?
QuoteYou are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!
What you ARE dealing with is just claim and a few Russian video clips. Why should a transformer or an inductor for this variation on a pulse circuit be any different than all the other previous circuits that failed? If people try to make serious measurements of the input and output power then they at least learn something that they can apply to other projects. They may even be tempted to follow the signal path like I said and understand how the circuit actually works.
QuoteIf you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)
You have got to be kidding. I am looking at the Russian schematic and I see the 12-volt supply is connected to the top of the L1 transformer coil through a diode, another 'L1,' and R1. The bottom of the transformer L1 is connected to the MOSFET drain. That path supplies the power to the main transformer that drives the LEDs. So you are not even accounting for the main power consumption path in the schematic.
QuoteHowever, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
you use.
Possibly, but you had better measure power drain from the battery at the same time and do your due diligence like any normal person should. The proper terminology is "output 30 watts" and not "produce 30 watts." Don't be surprised if the power drain from the battery is more than 30 watts.
QuoteI hope you can see the stupidity of those who blindly INSIST on input/output measurements!
You have it the wrong way around. Not making measurements is when you are blind. That is the stupid thing to do.
All: Don't take some Russian guy's word that this circuit is magic and outputs 30 watts from nowhere. Make measurements and use your heads to start thinking for yourselves.
MileHigh
Also author wrote, that use not 12 volts stabiliser, but 9 volts.
MileHigh (http://www.overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/), about that meshurement you speaking? Author get selfrunning.
Dear Les Banki.
Welcome. :)
I found your post both informative and inspirational, thank you. :)
I feel it is a good thing that there are members of this forum who have a much greater understanding of things, electronic, and are willing to freely share this knowledge to those less fortunate !!
As you rightly mentioned the electronic control circuit has no mystery, the mystery being solely rooted in the transformer!! This is the beast that we should all experiment with.
On a different note, initial prices are in for the components and as always the final price of a built and tested drive circuit will depend on the number of units produced !!
I should be able to provide a better idea of cost, later today or tomorrow.
Till then, :)
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Google on March 20, 2014, 03:49:36 AM
Due to proposed avalanche effect the name of the thread should be changed to Drakula runaway generator. ;D ;D
Mr. Banki scared me by saying something can blow in my face. :-\
Pun intended.
Best,
True when working with any device like this. Circuit protection such as fuse or breaker can help. Also wear eye protection.
Quote from: Les Banki on March 19, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared ("Akmodedit.png") where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!
Well, as Russians usually say - who are soldering radio circuits will spot and correct mistakes. For others these circuits have no real value.
In USSR times Russian radio enthusiasts was always correcting mistakes from circuits in radio journals to make them work. And also if you understand what driver circuit is expected to do you can swap to equivalent one - like 555 timer circuit with very low duty cycle... ;)
Cheers!
Hello All,
This is from the Russian forum where the original modified circuit was posted:
4 сообщений
Отправлено 02 Март 2014 - 09:26
TOPruslan сказал(а) 19 Фев 2014 - 07:02:
Ребят , я тут языком чесать не регистрировался. Извините , если что не так. Но у Акулы есть не только фонарик на 1 Ватт !!! У него есть схема,которая у меня служит доказательством существования СЕ :) Это фонарь на все 30 Ватт. Собирается на ШИМ контроллере 494 и парочкой транзюков. Конечно без катушки тут не обошлось. Она там проста и легко делается. Но есть на схеме подвох. 16 нога микрухи скорее всего на корпусе ("-") или генератор не выпускает на выход ничего. Кренку я заменил на 9 вольтовую , так как 12 вольт старт и кренка 12 вольт...Ну тут как то не алё. Катушку мотал как написано,но при этом использовал провод 1мм. Вместо светодиодов использовал один мощный прожектор - светодиод на 10 Ватт. Подрубал ещё параллельно один и всё работало. Но тут есть ещё одна фигня ! 2 дня я ждал что будет с этой все схемой. Горело всё красиво. Но в оди вечер погасло :) Решил разобраться , в чём дело ?! Рассыпался сердечник трафа так, как будто кто-то стукнул его молотком. Я склеил заново супкр клеем и запустил. В таком состоянии он работал ещё 2 дня и повторилась история. Только теперь он лопнул в других местах. Думал , что же такое ? Оказывается , сделал ошибку при намотке и экранировании , где между катушками поместил экран из меди. При этом замкнув его в один виток. Тоже самое сделал и поверх вторички. Но там он распаялся и прожёг изоленту,намотанную с верху. Вообщем устранил я все эти глупости и сейчас всё пока горит уже 4-ый день. Не прикосаюсь пока. Схема проста , но детали все нужно искать такими,что указанны в схеме. особенно диоды на выходе. (Ребята, как сюда картинку засунуть Вам)
Привет всем, не вижу опции написать самому Руслану, поэтому может бть он прочтет и ответит, в приведенной вами схеме на стр 7 вы много чего поменяли он изначальной, , вы добавили один транзистор, диод и так далеею Вероятно в ыочень хороший эдектронщик, если способны так лихо изменять схемы, и , конечно возникает вопрос, а почему вы не захотели попробовать на имеющейся схеме , вероятно она была не оригинальная и нас пытались специально ввести в заблуждение или наоборот? имеющаяяся схема с другого форума , может быть специально с ошибками / ведь авторство не известно прилагаю файл
Posted March 2, 2014 - 9:26
TOPruslan said ( a) February 19, 2014 - 7:02 :
Guys , I've been scratching your language is not recorded . Sorry if that is not so . But the Sharks have not only 1 watt flashlight ! He has a scheme that I have is proof of the existence of the CE :) This lantern on all 30 watts. Going to the PWM controller 494 and a couple tranzyukov . Certainly without coil there has not been . It is simple and there is easily done . But there is a catch on the scheme . 16 foot mikruhi likely on the body ( "-") or the generator does not produce output anything. Krenke I replaced the 9 volt , 12 volt since the start and Krenke 12 volts ... Well here as it is not ale . Coil shook as it is written , but he used 1mm wire . LEDs used instead of one powerful searchlight - 10 Watt LED . Hem parallel to one another and everything worked. But there is another garbage ! I waited 2 days what will happen to all of this scheme. Burned all beautifully . But Odie extinguished evening :) I decided to find out what's the matter ? Crumbled core cores as if someone hit him with a hammer. I re- glued supkr glue and ran . In this state, he worked for 2 more days and repeated the story . Only now he burst elsewhere. Thought , what is ? It turns out , had made a mistake when winding and shielding where placed between the coils of copper screen . While hooked it in one turn . Did the same thing over and the secondary . But there it is soldered and burned insulation tape wound to the top. I even eliminate all this nonsense and now everything is lit until the fourth day. Prikosatsya not yet. The scheme is simple , but the details need to look for all those that are specified in the schema. especially at the output diodes . ( Guys like you shove here image )
Hi all, I do not see an option to write most Ruslan , so he can bt read and respond to you here on page 7 scheme you a lot of things have changed it original , you've added a transistor , a diode , and so probably in Dale yochen edektronschik good , if they are able so valiantly to change the scheme , and of course the question arises , why do not you want to try on the existing scheme , it probably was not the original , and we specifically tried to mislead or vice versa? imeyuschayayasya scheme from another forum , can be specifically with errors / authorship is not known.
This was translated by Google, not me. I know the translation sucks, but TOPruslan, the creator of the modified circuit speaks about winding the transformer and the two copper shields and a short circuit that burned it......
Here is the Link: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/page-14
seems to be alot of other information and zip files available if you register.
take care, peace.
lost_bro
Dear lost_bro.
Many thanks for that very interesting translation.
HOPE !! So the Ferrite self destructs !! NAR ?? NMR ??
BTW keep looking at your PM's !! ;)
Cheers Grum.
Sorry for your thread Grumage, I think Les is right. It's being highjacked and being destroyed before it has even started. Trust yourself in the end. I don't know much on the workings of circuits like this but I would look for the impulse creation from this circuit. If it's like his other setups, then there has to be an impulse of some sort created in there somewhere. Anyways I found this SSTC circuit from way back and found it interesting that it ran off of the TL494 also. just interesting. Good Luck
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/page-8#entry11192
TOPruslan: Обмотка мотается так : 1. Сперва мотаете с края 15 витков , а затем прокладываете бумажку и мотаете 45 витков поверх. Позже выложу как было у меня.
Translation: windings are done in this way: 1. First you wind 15 turns from beginning, put paper between and later on wind other coil of 45 turns on top of primary. Later will show how I have it.
So my assumption seems correct in way of windings are made.. :)
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Отправлено 02 Март 2014 - 09:26
TOPruslan сказал(а) 19 Фев 2014 - 07:02:
Ребят , я тут языком чесать не регистрировался. Извините , если что не так. Но у Акулы есть не только фонарик на 1 Ватт !!! У него есть схема,которая у меня служит доказательством существования СЕ :) Это фонарь на все 30 Ватт. Собирается на ШИМ контроллере 494 и парочкой транзюков. Конечно без катушки тут не обошлось. Она там проста и легко делается. Но есть на схеме подвох. 16 нога микрухи скорее всего на корпусе ("-") или генератор не выпускает на выход ничего. Кренку я заменил на 9 вольтовую , так как 12 вольт старт и кренка 12 вольт...Ну тут как то не алё. Катушку мотал как написано,но при этом использовал провод 1мм. Вместо светодиодов использовал один мощный прожектор - светодиод на 10 Ватт. Подрубал ещё параллельно один и всё работало. Но тут есть ещё одна фигня ! 2 дня я ждал что будет с этой все схемой. Горело всё красиво. Но в оди вечер погасло :) Решил разобраться , в чём дело ?! Рассыпался сердечник трафа так, как будто кто-то стукнул его молотком. Я склеил заново супкр клеем и запустил. В таком состоянии он работал ещё 2 дня и повторилась история. Только теперь он лопнул в других местах. Думал , что же такое ? Оказывается , сделал ошибку при намотке и экранировании , где между катушками поместил экран из меди. При этом замкнув его в один виток. Тоже самое сделал и поверх вторички. Но там он распаялся и прожёг изоленту,намотанную с верху. Вообщем устранил я все эти глупости и сейчас всё пока горит уже 4-ый день. Не прикосаюсь пока. Схема проста , но детали все нужно искать такими,что указанны в схеме. особенно диоды на выходе. (Ребята, как сюда картинку засунуть Вам)
Привет всем, не вижу опции написать самому Руслану, поэтому может бть он прочтет и ответит, в приведенной вами схеме на стр 7 вы много чего поменяли он изначальной, , вы добавили один транзистор, диод и так далеею Вероятно в ыочень хороший эдектронщик, если способны так лихо изменять схемы, и , конечно возникает вопрос, а почему вы не захотели попробовать на имеющейся схеме , вероятно она была не оригинальная и нас пытались специально ввести в заблуждение или наоборот? имеющаяяся схема с другого форума , может быть специально с ошибками / ведь авторство не известно прилагаю файл
Posted March 2, 2014 - 9:26
TOPruslan said ( a) February 19, 2014 - 7:02 :
Guys , I've been scratching your language is not recorded . Sorry if that is not so . But the Sharks have not only 1 watt flashlight ! He has a scheme that I have is proof of the existence of the overunity :) This lantern on all 30 watts. Going to the PWM controller 494 and a couple transistors . Certainly without coil there has not been . It is simple and there is easily done . But there is a catch on the scheme . 16 foot mikroscheme likely on the body ( "-") or the generator does not produce output anything. Voltage stabiliser I replaced the 9 volt , 12 volt since the start and voltage stibiliser 12 volts ... Well here as it is not ale . Coil shook as it is written , but he used 1mm wire . LEDs used instead of one powerful searchlight - 10 Watt LED . Hem parallel to one another and everything worked. But there is another garbage ! I waited 2 days what will happen to all of this scheme. Burned all beautifully . But Odie extinguished evening :) I decided to find out what's the matter ? Crumbled core cores as if someone hit him with a hammer. I re- glued supkr glue and ran . In this state, he worked for 2 more days and repeated the story . Only now he burst elsewhere. Thought , what is ? It turns out , had made a mistake when winding and shielding where placed between the coils of copper screen . While hooked it in one turn . Did the same thing over and the secondary . But there it is soldered and burned insulation tape wound to the top. I even eliminate all this nonsense and now everything is lit until the fourth day. Not touch yet. The scheme is simple , but the details need to look for all those that are specified in the schema. especially at the output diodes . ( Guys like you shove here image )
Hi all, I do not see an option to write most Ruslan , so he can bt read and respond to you here on page 7 scheme you a lot of things have changed it original , you've added a transistor , a diode , and so probably in Dale good electronik man , if they are able so valiantly to change the scheme , and of course the question arises , why do not you want to try on the existing scheme , it probably was not the original , and we specifically tried to mislead or vice versa? imeyuschayayasya scheme from another forum , can be specifically with errors / authorship is not known.
This was translated by Google, not me. I know the translation sucks, but TOPruslan, the creator of the modified circuit speaks about winding the transformer and the two copper shields and a short circuit that burned it......"
I little corect words.
Then I say about ecran I mean shielding and screen... ;D
Quote from: Les Banki on March 19, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Also, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!
Why do I make such a statement?
Simple.
You are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!
If you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)
Now, just for the hell of it, DOUBLE it and round it to 0.5 W.
However, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
The power measurements relate to the whole device, not only to its "control section".
You accounted for the power output of the main transformer but you did
not account for its power input - a major oversight.
It makes great sense to make O/I power measurements unless you have a long-term self-runner without an external power supply.
...and if you don't, then power measurements provide a reliable indication how far off from the self-running goal, the device is tuned.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2014, 04:29:06 AM
Why should a transformer or an inductor for this variation on a pulse circuit be any different than all the other previous circuits that failed?
Quote from: Grumage on March 20, 2014, 07:09:43 AM
As you rightly mentioned the electronic control circuit has no mystery, the mystery being solely rooted in the transformer!! This is the beast that we should all experiment with.
Yes, the control circuit is not mysterious at all.
If there is any magic, it is in the transformer.
For example, MenofFather (http://www.overunity.com/profile/menoffather.24405/) hast posted a winding layout diagram
here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg393505/#msg393505) that according to conventional electronic principles of engineering, has no chances of functioning.
Mr. LesBanki has noticed these shorted turns and stated:
Quote from: Les Banki on March 19, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Oh...'MenofFather' posted suggestions to the winding method, including SHORTED turns!
Guys, with all due respect, with that kind of suggestions you will never get anywhere! Guaranteed!
And he is correct within the boundaries of conventional electronics.
However if some unconventional piece of physics happens in those shorted turns (e.g. McFreey's beta current) then the senseless becomes the sensible.
Quote from: lost_bro on March 20, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
I decided to find out what's the matter ? The core crumbled as if someone hit it with a hammer. I re-glued them with super glue and it worked. In this state, it worked for 2 more days and then the story repeated, only now it broke elsewhere. What is it - I wondered ?
It turned out, that I had made a mistake with the placement of windings and copper tape shielding...
Quote from: Grumage on March 20, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
Dear lost_bro. Many thanks for that very interesting translation.
HOPE !! So the Ferrite self destructs !! NAR ?? NMR ??
So as you can see again and again, this transformer is a very complicated and "mysterious" device ;)
The core can break due to excessive heating (usually caused by hysteresis losses) or due to acoustic stress (usually caused by magnetostriction).
The acoustic pressure waves can reflect from the boundaries of the core and form acoustic standing waves of very high amplitudes.
These hi.ampltude standing waves appear only at specific frequencies and they can break up the core ...or affect the nuclei if one gets the B & f just right.
@All
I went to that Russian forum and tried reading the thread with Google translate but it provides more of a linguistic massacre of what is being said then giving a good enough idea of what is really being said. What we need is anyone with some time to scour those forums and get specific posts done by Akula0083.
I think I read him saying the transformer is wound in normal way but can't find where again.
This is totally crazy that the winding of a two coil E core becomes so complicated that guys have to rely on gut feeling or others to get the right information.
The problem I forsee now is this.
You should not make the circuit yet. Try and build into the circuit a means of changing the frequency range of the pot because most likely, the circuit diagram will provide a fixed range of frequency adjustment but if you are a tad too low, you will never see the effect.
Then look again at the Akula0083 diagram. It is not your standard pulse to primary then output off the secondary because there are interconnections at the C3 cap and the MBR3545 diode going before the drive mosfet IRF3205 to the secondary side. If that diode hits a reverse threshold condition what will happen? Then you have the secondary that is not isolated at all but is being feed by the same feed as the drive circuit from one end through R3 , then the drive circuit pumps the primary to impart more to that same secondary (DC + DC) and on the other side of the secondary is going to a series tank where you have the C4, R2 and another diode that can also be in resonance, before the load.
All this is already enough Out of the Box already and does not require that the E core winding is wound like the @T1000 method. Sorry @T1000 for always using your name to identify the Ecore winding overlapping the core gap that I still think is not correct.
wattsup
The schematic that TOPruslan (successful replicator) uses, has 2000μF capacitors not 2200μF.
See: http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg
Changes that TOPruslan made to the schematic:
1) Pin 16 must be connected to the ground.
2) C11 must be connected to the input Pin of VR-7812 and not after the inductor.
3) The wire for both windings must be 1mm.
See: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778
Quote from: 11111 on March 21, 2014, 11:39:48 PM
The schematic that TOPruslan (successful replicator) uses, has 2000μF capacitors not 2200μF.
See: http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg)
Changes that TOPruslan made to the schematic:
1) Pin 16 must be connected to the ground.
2) C11 must be connected to the input Pin of VR-7812 and not after the inductor.
3) The wire for both windings must be 1mm.
See: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778 (http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778)
He also say "Транс мотайте по картинке", that means, transformer need wound like in picture, so I understand, primary wound on one side of core, secondary on another side of core. :)
Maybe then not need screens or only one screen?
(https://dfsuknfbz46oq.cloudfront.net/p/icons/kolourpaint.png)
Quote from: MenofFather on March 22, 2014, 02:03:13 AM
He also say "Транс мотайте по картинке", that means, transformer need wound like in picture, so I understand, primary wound on one side of core, secondary on another side of core. :)
Maybe then not need screens or only one screen?
(https://dfsuknfbz46oq.cloudfront.net/p/icons/kolourpaint.png)
Dear MenofFather and all.
From that statement "transformer need wound like in picture" . I deduce that we still have T-1000's original coil layout as attached below.
We have been given a turns count L1 = 15 Turns. L2 = 45 turns. But the photo clearly shows us, that externally we have the same or similar height to the two coils. Suggesting to me that there are at least 30 turns underlying both halves !! I am basing this thought on that L2 would be twice a high as L1 !!
I have also attached a picture of my Mk2 rewound transformer.
Cheers Grum.
not unless the wire gauges are different between L1 and L2
Quote from: starcruiser on March 22, 2014, 10:57:06 AM
not unless the wire gauges are different between L1 and L2
Dear starcruiser.
Very true comment, but the schematic clearly states 0.75mm2 for both primary and secondary !!
Cheers Grum.
U doin great work Grumage! :) All the others too, of course....
Type of wire might be important too (solid, litz, multiple from each other isolated strands, silver/tin plated), maybe even insulation material of wire (dielectric properties)
regards
Quote from: Grumage on March 22, 2014, 01:45:03 PM
Dear starcruiser.
Very true comment, but the schematic clearly states 0.75mm2 for both primary and secondary !!
Cheers Grum.
Grum I stand corrected, I went back thru the thread and noted the wire size.
Hi Grumage and all,
you might enjoy this post by user "dieter" about transformer winding
http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg393985/#msg393985
in the thread "Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE".
Quote from: oscar on March 23, 2014, 04:15:14 AM
you might enjoy this post by user "dieter" about transformer winding
This guy doesn't have the basic engineering knowledge, e.g. he doesn't know that multiplying average Volts by average Amps does not yield average Watts for most non-DC waveforms (the #1 error made on these forums).
Also, he does not realize that shorted windings oppose any flux variations inside them.
When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique.
Verpies
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When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique
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missguided Zeal with a mix of pride can cloud ones judgement at times.
taking guidance and scrutiny during moments like that can be very hard to do.
you are a tremendous asset to this community ,thanks for all you do.
Chet
Quote from: verpies on March 23, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
This guy doesn't have the basic engineering knowledge, e.g. he doesn't know that multiplying average Volts by average Amps does not yield average Watts for most non-DC waveforms (the #1 error made on these forums).
Also, he does not realize that shorted windings oppose any flux variations inside them.
When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique.
With all this was said there is some truth even in that part:
http://teslasforsustainablesociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/fig119.gif (http://teslasforsustainablesociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/fig119.gif)
When Thane Heinz had re-found regenerative accceleration(first it was with Faraday motor-generator applied in Bruce Depalma N machine) effect, he also made that transformer - http://teslasforsustainablesociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/bi-toroid-transformer/ (http://teslasforsustainablesociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/bi-toroid-transformer/)
In the end, it is magnetic field what was been manipulated so it all boils down to geometry and magnetic forces applied... ;) Also still raises questions about what do we know about magnetic field, why it make electrons flow in wire when changing in strength (induction) and how we can use it for proper arrangement so no Lenz law will be there(dual magnetic fields configurations or similar).
Quote from: T-1000 on March 23, 2014, 09:13:08 PM
In the end, it is magnetic field what was been manipulated so it all boils down to geometry and magnetic forces applied... ;) Also still raises questions about what do we know about magnetic field, why it make electrons flow in wire when changing in strength (induction) and how we can use it for proper arrangement so no Lenz law will be there(dual magnetic fields configurations or similar).
The mainstream science does not know all about magnetic fields. We don't even get a proof that electric current in solid conductors is all carried by charged electrons.
However the heuristic engineering formulas are mostly correct, even if they are built upon faulty conceptual framework. Apple on Earth really falls at 9.8m/s
2 , even if they don't exactly know what "pulls" it.
The clip attached shows three electrolytic caps plus a possible fourth dark green coloured cap. Could this be a super-cap??
Quote from: Hoppy on March 24, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
The clip attached shows three electrolytic caps plus a possible fourth dark green coloured cap. Could this be a super-cap??
Good evening Hoppy.
I have attached a revised copy of your clip showing what I feel are the two capacitors you are referring to.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Good evening Hoppy.
I have attached a revised copy of your clip showing what I feel are the two capacitors you are referring to.
Cheers Grum.
Evening Grum,
Are you referring to the cap connected to pin 'CT' of the TL494 chip? I had discounted this as it looks way too large to be a cap needed for TL494 external components.
Regards
Hoppy
Quote from: Hoppy on March 24, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
Evening Grum,
Are you referring to the cap connected to pin 'CT' of the TL494 chip? I had discounted this as it looks way too large to be a cap needed for TL494 external components.
Regards
Hoppy
Dear Hoppy.
Sorry a bit of missinfo !! They are actually the capacitors associated with the Voltage regulator. C6 and C13, being 100uF and 100 nF respectively.
Cheers Grum.
Dear All.
I have just finished chatting with T-1000. He passed on this fairly simplified control circuit which might help those, like me, who have a bit less electronic skills.
I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb
Keep on trucking !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Grumage:
QuoteI am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.
Do you know if any of the replicators have a digital storage oscilloscope with math functions? I believe that a good PC-based digital oscilloscope can also do math functions.
Without the ability to compute the real-time-sampled voltage and current going into the LEDs you can't measure the power going into the LEDs. The frequency of the pulse waveform will give you a sense for how high the minimum sampling rate has to be. The higher the pulse frequency the higher the minimum sampling rate.
Plan B involves choosing the proper value of resistor and replacing the entire LED array with the resistor. Then all that you need is a true-RMS multimeter. The assumption is that the bandwidth in the pulse waveform will not be too high for the multimeter. But that should also be verified to ensure that you are making a correct power measurement.
MileHigh
Quote from: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
Dear Hoppy.
Sorry a bit of missinfo !! They are actually the capacitors associated with the Voltage regulator. C6 and C13, being 100uF and 100 nF respectively.
Cheers Grum.
Thanks Grum. I agree that the caps are probably C6 and C13. However, I would like to see a close-up of C13 as it still appears to be way too large for a 100nF. I suspect that its an electrolytic and possibly a super cap.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 24, 2014, 06:14:16 PM
Grumage:
Do you know if any of the replicators have a digital storage oscilloscope with math functions? I believe that a good PC-based digital oscilloscope can also do math functions.
Without the ability to compute the real-time-sampled voltage and current going into the LEDs you can't measure the power going into the LEDs. The frequency of the pulse waveform will give you a sense for how high the minimum sampling rate has to be. The higher the pulse frequency the higher the minimum sampling rate.
Plan B involves choosing the proper value of resistor and replacing the entire LED array with the resistor. Then all that you need is a true-RMS multimeter. The assumption is that the bandwidth in the pulse waveform will not be too high for the multimeter. But that should also be verified to ensure that you are making a correct power measurement.
MileHigh
Dear MileHigh.
Although my Scope is pretty sophisticated it does not have a maths function. Itsu on the other hand does have that facility. He is prototyping the control circuit as I write !! :)
My gut feeling tells me that a resistive load would not create the same circumstances as LED's would. Because they also have minute capacitance and are for the most part forward (one way) conducting.
Cheers Grum.
It's great to hear that Itsu is going to build the circuit. I love his scope and he does great builds. It almost looks like this is basically a "solid state Bedini" setup with a bunch of "extra" components. If that is confirmed to be the case then when the MOSFET switches off the main L1 in the transformer (in tandem with the battery) discharges its stored magnetic energy as a current pulse. If you look at the schematic and follow the current loop it takes a "loopy" pathway through a whole bunch of components. Also if that is the case it won't matter very much if the load is an LED array or a resistance, they both will dissipate a somewhat similar amount of power. To be more specific, the higher the value of the load resistance proportionally more power will be dissipated in the load resistance. It all depends on the relative resistance of every component in the current loop.
It should be an interesting set of tests.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 24, 2014, 07:55:28 PM
It's great to hear that Itsu is going to build the circuit. I love his scope and he does great builds. It almost looks like this is basically a "solid state Bedini" setup with a bunch of "extra" components. If that is confirmed to be the case then when the MOSFET switches off the main L1 in the transformer (in tandem with the battery) discharges its stored magnetic energy as a current pulse. If you look at the schematic and follow the current loop it takes a "loopy" pathway through a whole bunch of components. Also if that is the case it won't matter very much if the load is an LED array or a resistance, they both will dissipate a somewhat similar amount of power. To be more specific, the higher the value of the load resistance proportionally more power will be dissipated in the load resistance. It all depends on the relative resistance of every component in the current loop.
It should be an interesting set of tests.
There is even more than this in circuit :)
Here is how I see it:
MOSFET ON - pulse goes over L2 and charges capacitor C4. The load is getting disconnected from power
MOSFET OFF - BEMF kicks in with opposite direction (C3 gets charge) from primary L1 and it goes in series with charged capacitor C4 all way back to C11 which gets charged with voltage kick from BEMF+current from C4. Also when C4 gets discharged the remaining BEMF gets over diodes and L2 back to C11->R1 to complete path. The load takes the residue of BEMF pulse and comes back to discharge C3+C11 over L1.
P.S> The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?
Cheers!
Hoopy are you implying that the sharkhead's(Akula) device is a fraud,lol.
Akula was influenced by Westley's split yoke device which was never shown to work,
monkey see,monkey copy.In the past I seen at least 100 of this pulse at high frequencies
type of devices, none were overunity,none were self running.A large amount were errors
in measurement,not flat out frauds
like it seems the Russians keep pumping out.Normally I find this whole thing amusing,its a future train wreck,
unfortunately a lot of people will get very discouraged.
Depending on what frequency the oscillator runs at, it's possible that C3 provides enough low-pass filtering (i.e.; it filters out the high-frequency spikes) so that the voltage at the top of the LED array is mostly DC with a moderate voltage ripple.
For C5 and R5, you can say that C5 is like a high-pass filter, and what flows through R5 is mostly DC with a moderate voltage ripple. So it could be that C5 and R5 are there just so you can put your multimeter across R5 and measure the average DC current flowing through the LED array.
You notice that if the above two conditions are true, the voltage at the top of the LED array is near-DC, and the average current through R5 is near-DC (to be verified with a scope) then you can make a decent measurement of the power flowing through the LED array with multimeters alone.
Anyway, no more predictions because it's too difficult to do and the scope may show a different story.
Quote from: T-1000 on March 24, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
P.S> The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?
How I understand, this function change duty cycle depending on load. Wihout load 0 precents duty cycle, with small load let say 20 precents, with big lload let say 60 precents.
Quote from: cheappower2012 on March 24, 2014, 08:37:38 PM
Hoopy are you implying that the sharkhead's(Akula) device is a fraud,lol.
Akula was influenced by Westley's split yoke device which was never shown to work,
monkey see,monkey copy.In the past I seen at least 100 of this pulse at high frequencies
type of devices, none were overunity,none were self running.A large amount were errors
in measurement,not flat out frauds
like it seems the Russians keep pumping out.Normally I find this whole thing amusing,its a future train wreck,
unfortunately a lot of people will get very discouraged.
Although to me this circuit as it stands is clearly never going to self-run and in this respect is a future train crash, I do not feel that its a waste of time to build. Akula appears to have designed what he feels is an efficient LED driver operating from a low voltage battery source with energy conservation in mind, so I do see it worthwhile for those interested, building this circuit just to see if there is any efficiency to be had over a more conventional LED driver.
Quote from: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
Dear All.
I have just finished chatting with T-1000. He passed on this fairly simplified control circuit which might help those, like me, who have a bit less electronic skills.
I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb)
Keep on trucking !! :)
Cheers Grum.
I try that schematic without feedback. Then if wounded primary and on top secondary, then addading secondary, you get input current about 5 amps. And changing freenquency not help. So if you want try schematic with 45-50 duty cycle and wihout feedback, then wound primary and secondary coils on diferent sides of core, they must not intervealed be, not wound one on top other, then maybe you get selfrunning.
Quote from: MenofFather on March 25, 2014, 05:44:08 AM
I try that schematic without feedback. Then if wounded primary and on top secondary, then addading secondary, you get input current about 5 amps.
What frequency and load you are applying? for 15T primary, LEDs on load and high resonant frequency it should be low...
Also the duty cycle must be not 50% - less than 20%.
Quote from: T-1000 on March 24, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?
On
this schematic (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307), the voltage signal taken from R5 must become negative to activate the 2
nd error amplifier of the TL494 (pins 15 & 16) via R7.
If R5 is non-inductive then this would mean that the current through these load LEDs needs to flow in reverse for this to occur.
The 1
st error amplifier of the TL494 (pins 1 & 2) is configured to react only to quickly falling edges at R5 (via R7). The R11 pot determines how steep these falling edges need to be in order to trigger this 1
st error amplifier.
Activation of either one of these error amplifiers will immediately decrease the output duty cycle of the TL494.
Quote from: T-1000 on March 25, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
What frequency and load you are applying? for 15T primary, LEDs on load and high resonant frequency it should be low...
Also the duty cycle must be not 50% - less than 20%.
Load buvo įvairus, nuo nieko iki šviesodiodo per 100 kiloomų rezistorių. Padarius duty cycle 20 proc. kiek sumažėja naudojama srovė, bet vis tiek pakankamai didelė. Kiek girdėjau, užvyniojus rites ant įvairių pusių, naudojama srovė sumažėja, gal taip ir reikia vynioti?
Akula is separating the voltage and amperage, running the voltage through the leds and using the amperage to run the driver.
This is just an ignition coil and driver, notice the direction of the protection diode across the transistor.
The primary has a bemf that runs into the secondary this is the high voltage, the secondary also has a bemf, this runs through the protection diode, its direction through the diode is an indication of its polarity............. its neg.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 06:58:40 AM
Akula is separating the voltage and amperage, running the voltage through the leds and using the amperage to run the driver.
That's ridiculous.
LEDs will not light without current flowing through them.
Voltage and Current cannot be separated - they are two different sides of the same coin. The former is the cause and the latter is the effect.
P.S.
"BEMF" does not mean that the direction of current through an inductor reverses when a switch opens.
In fact, the electric current remains flowing in
the same direction through inductor's winding.
See
this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+41+12.0+43%0A162+496+160+496+192+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+192+496+224+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+224+496+256+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+256+496+288+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+288+496+320+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0Av+288+224+288+160+0+0+40.0+10.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+528+80+576+80+0+0.01+3.0+0.21785124776704234+-6.830473686658678E-18+0.999%0Ad+528+112+528+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+160+528+160+0%0A159+400+224+400+256+0+20.0+1.0E10%0Aw+288+32+288+80+0%0Aw+288+80+288+160+0%0AR+352+240+320+240+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+496+320+496+368+0+1.0%0Aw+288+224+288+368+0%0Ac+528+160+528+368+0+0.002+13.784003347977666%0Aw+496+368+528+368+0%0Ac+448+320+448+368+0+1.0E-5+0.0639247473696134%0Aw+496+368+448+368+0%0Aw+448+368+400+368+0%0Aw+288+368+400+368+0%0Aw+448+320+496+320+0%0Aw+528+112+400+112+0%0Aw+400+112+400+224+0%0Aw+400+256+400+368+0%0Ad+560+160+624+160+1+0.805904783%0Ar+624+192+560+192+0+420000.0%0Ac+624+224+560+224+0+1.0E-10+3.286134775073611E-13%0Aw+560+160+560+192+0%0Aw+560+192+560+224+0%0Aw+624+160+624+192+0%0Aw+624+192+624+224+0%0Aw+528+160+560+160+0%0Aw+608+112+624+112+0%0Aw+608+80+624+80+0%0Aw+624+112+624+160+0%0Aw+576+80+608+80+0%0Aw+576+112+608+112+0%0Ar+288+32+400+32+0+1.0%0Ar+288+80+400+80+0+0.22%0Aw+400+80+528+80+0%0As+624+32+624+80+0+1+false%0Aw+400+32+624+32+0%0As+352+240+384+240+0+0+false%0Ao+15+16+0+34+20.0+0.2+0+-1%0A).
Quote from: verpies on March 27, 2014, 09:40:24 AM
That's ridiculous.
LEDs will not light without current flowing through them.
Voltage and Current cannot be separated - they are two different sides of the same coin. The former is the cause and the latter is the effect.
P.S.
"BEMF" does not mean that the direction of current through an inductor reverses when a switch opens.
In fact, the electric current remains flowing in the same direction through inductor's winding.
See this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+41+12.0+43%0A162+496+160+496+192+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+192+496+224+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+224+496+256+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+256+496+288+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+288+496+320+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0Av+288+224+288+160+0+0+40.0+10.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+528+80+576+80+0+0.01+3.0+0.21785124776704234+-6.830473686658678E-18+0.999%0Ad+528+112+528+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+160+528+160+0%0A159+400+224+400+256+0+20.0+1.0E10%0Aw+288+32+288+80+0%0Aw+288+80+288+160+0%0AR+352+240+320+240+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+496+320+496+368+0+1.0%0Aw+288+224+288+368+0%0Ac+528+160+528+368+0+0.002+13.784003347977666%0Aw+496+368+528+368+0%0Ac+448+320+448+368+0+1.0E-5+0.0639247473696134%0Aw+496+368+448+368+0%0Aw+448+368+400+368+0%0Aw+288+368+400+368+0%0Aw+448+320+496+320+0%0Aw+528+112+400+112+0%0Aw+400+112+400+224+0%0Aw+400+256+400+368+0%0Ad+560+160+624+160+1+0.805904783%0Ar+624+192+560+192+0+420000.0%0Ac+624+224+560+224+0+1.0E-10+3.286134775073611E-13%0Aw+560+160+560+192+0%0Aw+560+192+560+224+0%0Aw+624+160+624+192+0%0Aw+624+192+624+224+0%0Aw+528+160+560+160+0%0Aw+608+112+624+112+0%0Aw+608+80+624+80+0%0Aw+624+112+624+160+0%0Aw+576+80+608+80+0%0Aw+576+112+608+112+0%0Ar+288+32+400+32+0+1.0%0Ar+288+80+400+80+0+0.22%0Aw+400+80+528+80+0%0As+624+32+624+80+0+1+false%0Aw+400+32+624+32+0%0As+352+240+384+240+0+0+false%0Ao+15+16+0+34+20.0+0.2+0+-1%0A).
I agree, moreover what's to stop the transistor from being blown to smithereens.
If you know it all then you should have a free energy device right ;)
Quote
5.2 Diode characteristics
The most important characteristics when using power diodes is the maximum current in the forward direction (IFmax), and maximum voltage in the reverse direction (URmax).
Thats ridiculous
Quote from: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 06:23:40 PM
If you know it all then you should have a free energy device right ;)
Thats ridiculous
For such device to work we need ridiculous ;)
The sims dont impress me and are not accurate
Sure the current continues through the coil its the collapsing magnetic field that causes bemf, I never said the current reverses, a coil pulsed with current its bemf will be pos a coil pulsed with voltage its bemf will be neg.
When current first hits a coil the magnetic field is building (femf) as the current leaves the coil the magnetic field collapses (bemf)
Wake up
Quote from: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
The sims dont impress me and are not accurate
Sure the current continues through the coil its the collapsing magnetic field that causes bemf, I never said the current reverses, a coil pulsed with current its bemf will be pos a coil pulsed with voltage its bemf will be neg.
When current first hits a coil the magnetic field is building (femf) as the current leaves the coil the magnetic field collapses (bemf)
Wake up
With BEMF on one side and capacitor discharge on another side of transformer where primary and secondary is connected in series over capacitor you have voltage
and current.. And when transformer primary is only on half of secondary there is even more going on.
Or, when in a moment of BEMF rise you discharge capacitor over another coil in transformer and make circuit connections over coil which gives BEMF - it is another similar case.
You wanted ridiculous not well studied cases, so here it is :)
Cheers!
Understand yet
Sorry Dave but Verpies knows his stuff. I have encouraged you to do some real research and learn about electronics. It's the Internet age. Unfortunately you are set in your ways and as a result with respect to electronics you couldn't hit the side of a barn door from three feet away.
Sorry Milehigh but your stuck in the same rut as Verpies but I will hold out hope.
Does your conventional view give you free energy, of course not it blinds you.
Later
dave
Current moves from neg to pos, the pos voltage moving in a circuit is a product of the coil, its the bemf from a neg pulsed coil.
If you run neg current, current is neg right, the electron is neg right ::)
If you run neg current through a coil the coil has a neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, opposites attract, when the magnetic field from the neg pulsed coil collapses it will bring into the coil a pos charge which runs opposite the neg charge (bemf), now I never said the current changed directions but the bemf which is pos does run in the opposite direction, look at it from neg to pos flow.
Now if you look at it from a conventional view where current runs from pos to neg then you will never see it, in this view bemf looks like femf and the direction it moves through the diode makes it look like femf, you see no polarity change and are blinded.
A freewheeling diode is a classic example to you it looks as though the current keeps flowing in the same direction.
The issue is that you are talking Davetalk.
You probably have heard that a perfect analogy to electricity is water flowing through pipes. So if you take one of the simple circuits that you have looked at in the past, could you analyze the water-equivalent circuit? If you can figure out the water circuit, then you can understand the electrical-equivalent circuit.
Why not try it? Just take a very simple circuit, water version, analyze it, and then see how it shows you how the electrical circuit works.
Thats a very big mistake electricity does not flow like water in a pipe or river or any other water analogy.
Electricity is pos and neg charges interacting not water in a pipe.
I am telling you with 100% certainty that electricity is like water in a pipe. Please take a very simple circuit and try to work it out.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 27, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
I am telling you with 100% certainty that electricity is like water in a pipe. Please take a very simple circuit and try to work it out.
Electrostatic induction?
No, the trick is to forget about the electrons and think about energy and power. Look at everything in terms of energy and power.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 27, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
No, the trick is to forget about the electrons and think about energy and power. Look at everything in terms of energy and power.
Or is the trick to stop thinking about a negatively charged plate being neutralized by an equivalent positive charge from a large object or ground?
Look at static eliminators they produce pos and neg charges that neutralize static buildup by combining the charges, combined they become neutral.
Your conventional view does look like water in a pipe, but if you look at electron flow neg to pos the water analogy does not work, but you can keep your head in the sand if you want.
Just try to do a simple circuit. It's the future and Encyclopedia Galactica is at your fingertips.
Iv built plenty of circuits how many if any have you built, do you have a bench do you actually do anything.
No bench but I have worked on one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_7NO2Np5-s
QuoteIf you run neg current through a coil the coil has a neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, opposites attract, when the magnetic field from the neg pulsed coil collapses it will bring into the coil a pos charge which runs opposite the neg charge (bemf), now I never said the current changed directions but the bemf which is pos does run in the opposite direction, look at it from neg to pos flow.
By the same token if you pulse a coil with pos energy the coil takes on a pos charge and the ions that form around that coil will be neg, opposites attract,, when this magnetic field collapses it will bring into the coil a neg charge (neg bemf)
There's nothing extra dimensional about this, it all has a rational explanation, Iv heard that the charges disappear and reappear and other quantum complications but its really all about pos and neg charges.
When combined they cease to register on our meters but have just reached a combined neutral state, they have to be separated.
Electricity is the separation of pos and neg charges that need to combine to become neutral which is the natural neutral state that all nature seeks.
If you go to google translate and pull down the Russian key pad and copy the data in it will say some thing like one turn but not shorted out ;)
If electricity is like water how can we double the amount of water in the tube ? ;)
Quote from: adriangray on March 28, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
If you go to google translate and pull down the Russian key pad and copy the data in it will say some thing like one turn but not shorted out ;)
Dear adriangray.
Welcome to OU.com. :)
Luckily for us we have a number of fluent interpreters here, but thank you for your observation.
I have attached a drawing of the load current that is always present traveling through L1 on it's way to the LED's. My reason for this is to point out that the transformer is not being used in a conventional way. There will be a constant flux in the core which will increase with the operation of the Mosfet switch at a frequency yet to be determined.
Study and ponder !! Comments, most welcome.
Cheers Grum.
Hello every one I was initially wondering if any one had got any of the energy saving devices working, the Akula (shark), device, I have heard talk of a magic transformer, but I don't see any evidence of that at all, as that only happens at resonance, as I found as a kid when I use to get my DRX1 crystal set to bang out radio Luxemburg at full blast down my head phones ;) by winding a weird transformer extra winding round the rf coil and feeding it back in.One thing I do notice is Mr. grumage is using a NE555 IC but it does not modify the wave form to synthesize the TI494 expected wave form, and the 494 is another kettle of fish in the way its configured in this circuit. ;) any way you need a diode to change the pulse width or it will use mega current and blow the MosFet
Grumage:
That basically is the main current path, although your red line is a bit coarse. I am assuming that you are stating that the current flows through R5 at the end and not C5.
I don't believe anyone has discussed the "Stop" switch. When I look at the schematic, it looks to me like the Stop switch has to be open-circuited for the circuit to run and light up the LEDs. If that's true, then the whole circuit is just a glorified "solid state Bedini" circuit. That's not good news because then all that you have to do then is measure the power-in and power-out. Mother Nature will do her thing.
Dave: Wasn't that cool? A circuit made with water that does exactly the same thing as an electrical circuit.
MileHigh
Dear MileHigh.
I agree the red line was a little coarse but in essence the current carries on to the negative rail via R5.
My interpretation of the stop switch is exactly that, a stop switch. If we have a "magical" transformer action then that is our replenishing path. Obviously this will become apparent, or not, once we have a complete prototype.
Dear adriangray.
The schematic you are referring to was a suggestion made by one of our members T-1000 with a view to a simple pulsing arrangement. See here. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg394290/#msg394290
In the hope of perhaps finding anomalous transformer outputs.
The Guys over at OUR have spent a few days debugging the TL 494 and now seem to have a handle on it's operation. Please take a visit !!
Cheers Grum.
Hi and thanks for the welcome greeting,
If I can transfer some of my observations I have picked up through the years, I only hope that this might be of help, I'm no Russian scientist or guru but I have seen on some of the sites observations where the narrower the on pulse with the largest fly back ringing time in the, and a tuned (resonantly) tuned transformer the better the energy transferred, and most if not all appear to tune the tank output coil tuned to three times the fundamental (original) energy frequency so that it is phase locked also to the original and as the ringing almost stops, the wave form starts again.I would guess you would need a degree in this type of work to successfully excel in this field to produce a working device, like Eric perhaps./
this is a similar circuit you might want to watch, possibly where one idea might be a trigger to another on same lines. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I) <
Grumage:
Stop switch contemplation:
Hi Mr. Grumage re your note on the stop switch, you have a very valid point with that circuit as it is, as with the switch closed it will draw loads of current and stop any work being done. You could try disconnecting the secondary and adding a shottky diode and a large cap and then adding it to the same circuit, then it would no longer stifle the workings of the circuit, but the current setup does not have any upper voltage control and might blow your LED's if you have no limit resister.
QuoteDave: Wasn't that cool? A circuit made with water that does exactly the same thing as an electrical circuit.
MileHigh
Lol
Ok MileHigh show me in your conventional view the reaction of the coil, show me the femf and bemf.
Try to be a little neater than your last drawing :D
Oh yea bro this one is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8y_fKEAMWw
Dave:
The reaction of the coil, the BEMF, the FEMF, it's all there in water circuits. Again, I am being serious. I decided to freehand the second current loop because it would be a lot of work otherwise.
The auto mechanic's clip doesn't say anything besides the fact that they use electron current. Who knows why they would be possessed to do that because I am willing to bet you the vast majority of car service manuals use conventional current.
So, what is a water inductor and a water capacitor?
MileHigh
Someday bro you will see it, then you will have one of them oh $hit moments.
Most everyone knows that current runs from neg to pos and will tell you that they know its wrong but it works in circuit development and design so they keep using it.
Let agree to disagree I dont want to distract this thread, I think its a very worthwhile endeavor although I think the 80w circuit is simpler and would make a better test circuit, Im working on a variation now.
All the best
dave
You guys really crack me up. There is this Akula device and you guys are worried about a water analogy for electrical effects. Besides, these is no right or wrong way to use an analogy. We use water to simplify the visualization (or brainwash hehehe) of electricity, just like we talk about the birds and the bees when explaining babies. EE is one of the domains where no proof does not hinder certitude of fact since you can produce any formula to rationalize reality to fit our limited minds. Religion is another. You will grow out of it in time.
About the circuit, the stop switch is to kill energy return from the secondary to the source. This is normal if you want an easy manual method of stopping the return in case R3 or C11 started heating up. He probably burnt a few of them while fine tuning his system, before putting the stop switch in there.
Always remember this is a self-running circuit. All the features of pulsing, secondary and return are in the circuit. During self-running you only have C11 and C5 to hold enough energy to run the circuit for a second at most.
Like I said at OUR, the L1/VT1/C3 combo is an analog or I would say a very smart variation of the Tesla Ozone Patent (TOP). In that patent Tesla explains that you can produce a damped impulse through a primary where the energy used can return to source. But here Akula is using the L1 for two usages, the first being an inductive source as in the motor coil of the TOP and second as the working transformer to impart to the secondary L2.
So the difference here compared to a TOP is that, instead of using the L1 pulse to then drive a primary to secondary coil to produce a discharge arc thus producing ozone, Akula is using it to directly drive the load (working primary without a secondary) where at the end of the load he put R5/C5 to reduce the bleed or load consumption to keep the system primed at all times and where he checks the system status. That is because the system cannot produce enough to run the load with straight ground hence full draw on the source will kill the looping effect.
The secondary L2 can then be freed 100% to simply concentrate its effort to produce enough output for the positive return line to C11.
So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha
By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.
The above also confirms to me that you don't need any special transformer winding other then what we use normally. That is, when primary is over the gap, the secondary is over another gap, or, when primary is on one side of gap, the secondary is on the other side of the same gap. Anything more and you are just creating unusable havoc and energy cancellation.
To test this is simple. Take any coil primary and tank it. Then take any battery and short it across the primary very quickly. Now look at the voltage on your tank. That's what is running the load. Then the secondary is free to return to source. Guys should be clamoring over their work benches by now.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on March 29, 2014, 08:09:50 AM
So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha
By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.
Lol that is true :D
The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.
The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of one way transformer and use it's BEMF for recycling energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving circuit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.
P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw)
Cheers!
Whattsup; Grumage; Mile High; and others.
I don't know if you have noticed but the birds and the bees are in decline and the water is no longer has that magical sparkle, never loan Electrical qualities , but when I was in the telecom industry they use to say, 'An expert' was 'Ex" as in the past tense, and a jet of water under pressure! But who knows what's in the black magic box.
Re the L2 coil, as I was saying. I'm no Guru, but that L2 secondary is weird, if it's 'in' the circuit the whole device just draws loads of current, its as if that diode in the return just wasn't there, but if a fast diode is put in the top end where it joins the choke, and a capacitor to it's negative end of the coil you wile get some positive drive back in, but it's still not over unity, and if you put a 3.9 k from pin 4 of the 494 to 13 I can get the width of the drive pulse quite narrow and a pile of ringing stuff into the secondary, and also if you have a scope you could tune that width against the coil tuning of the coils and the fly back ringing, and then you need to look at the mode of the 494 against the push pull mode and single ended mode of the output stage, and then that circuit does not control the transfer voltage energy in that circuit and could be come a real problem with out limits, as the whole thing is 'fly' back, sucking energy back into the output from the core and the earth. Or should be? Roomer has it Lol
And don't take life too seriously as no one has managed to get out alive, yet!
Dear All.
It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.
Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.
http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: T-1000 on March 29, 2014, 08:43:06 AM
Lol that is true :D
The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.
The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of transformer and use it's BEMF to recycle energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving cicruit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.
P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw
Cheers!
@T-1000
I looked at that video just now but do not understand enough yet to discuss. When he slid the coil/light on that fat core block, I would have liked to see the same thing without the core to see the comparison. Also, he has no frequency count so you cannot just look at amperage/voltage without knowing the working frequency. But bulb output was good.
Just in case he does not know, maybe you can explain to him that when recharging the energy back to a battery, you should always remember that you will not be able to recharge more then 20% of the battery rated amperage at any one time. So if you have a 10 amp battery and measure recharge going back to the battery at 4 amps and you are wondering why the system is not looping, it is because you lost 2 amps as excess recharge. So you will need a second battery in parallel to accept the 4 amps at same voltage. I think he was within the 20% but just in case he wants to increase the size of this system, he may need a second battery at one point.
@all
I forgot to mention this about the circuit as far as I can see it. The L2 needs a ground (or a simulated ground) that I think he is making with the R2/C4 as a floating ground sink. This also ensures that if the secondary L2 recharge of C11 is at maximum, any remaining energy in the L2 can be bleed away by R2/C4 thus making sure the L2 is ready to accept the next impulse from L1. This ensures that the L2 will never choke out L1 (like if you shorted the L2) if C11 was always full charge.
wattsup
PS: This is a crazy week indeed. I just discovered this week that SM was doing the same thing as Akula although in a different manner, both are using one pulse to create two conditions that can be used separately or together. What a coincidence. I think this will be a good push forward for the OU community. The replication is one thing, but once you know the principle and it works in your mind, then this can be applied everywhere in so many creative ways. We have to get away from simple pulse primary bleed secondary. I really feel we are living in a great renaissance of energy for the world..
Quote from: Grumage on March 29, 2014, 09:39:49 AM
Dear All.
It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.
Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.
Cheers Grum.
@Grumage
Can't help on the sim. In terms of the LEDs parallel/series, this is to match the load. If you have a little more amps, you add a new row. If you have a few more volts, you add a few LEDs to the end of those rows to get the amount you need to load without killing the loop.
Wow that flastad address you just posted has sent the page so wide it is difficult to read other post without panning left and right. Hmmm. Maybe if you can modify your post, first put that address in a text file and just post the text file. the page will comeback to normal size. hehehe
wattsup
@wattsup, can you edit your post and add a few carriage returns? It is kind of hard to read as a single sentence/line. Thanks
This almost feels like a denial of service attack, from the Men in Black! lol
We need a new page.
The solution is tinyurl.com. The MeninBlackinator!
Dave:
It's unfortunate that you don't even want to try. The first thing you need to master in electronics is basic circuit analysis.
The two-liter bottles that you saw in the clip are capacitors. They didn't state it to keep the clip simple.
A water coil is a hose formed into a coil. Shocking huh?
Now you know what the water equivalents are for resistors, capacitors, and inductors, you can look at any simple circuit and imagine what would happen if you made it from hoses, resistors like you saw in the clip, open-top two-liter bottles, and coils of hose. Do you have the mechanical aptitude to visualize the water flow rates and water pressures in a water circuit? What is the equivalent of back-EMF or a forward EMF spike? What's the water analogy for a Bedini motor when you disconnect the charging battery and the neon starts to glow?
Please don't laugh off what I am saying. The water analogy is awesome for understanding and visualizing how circuits work.
I hope we change pages now and I will go back to the main topic.
MileHigh
Wattsup:
I see you guys are posting up a storm about this on OUR. BTW, the foil wrap around the transformer is just eye candy. Itsu could confirm this by testing with and without the foil. If the switching frequency is very high, then it may have some capacitive effects. I am assuming that's not going to be the case.
I will comment on the annotated drawing. I am assuming that the switching speed is high enough so C3 and C11 have very little ripple on their respective DC voltages. Standard disclaimer, this would have to be verified on the bench and is subject to correction.
Case 1: When the Stop switch is open-circuit.
When the MOSFET is on, the current flows through L1 and then through the MOSFET to ground. This is the energizing phase for the magnetic core. The LEDs may be lit from C3 still discharging from the previous cycle. Note that in this case L2 has no effect on the circuit.
When the MOSFET switches off, the current flow follows the red path. This is standard Bedini fare like I said before, with the addition of the big C3 decoupling cap to absorb the current spikes and convert them into the voltage that drives the LED array. Not much exciting there.
Case 2: When the Stop switch is a short circuit.
When the MOSFET switches on, L2 will output a DC EMF that is the duration of the on pulse. The battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 (they add together) will then follow the blue DC discharge path on the schematic. However, there is the 430 kohm resistor R2 in the path. That's almost like an open circuit. C4 will pass a tiny puff of AC current flow that will be absorbed by C3. So there is a very tiny DC current flow and a little puff of AC current flow when the MOSFET first switches on. The LED array will not light up, or it may be barely visibly lit.
Note that when the MOSFET is switched on the core of the transformer is still being energized and storing a significant amount of magnetic energy.
When the MOSFET switches off, this one might be an unpleasant surprise to some. The current follows the green path. There still may be some voltage in C3 that keeps the LEDs barely lit, but this has nothing to do with the green current path.
When you look at the green current path you notice that no energy at all is returned to C11. All that happens is that the magnetic energy stored in the transformer core gets burned off in the wire resistance of L1 and L2, and the two diodes and the two resistors. So when the MOSFET switches off, you get a "burn" and all of the energy stored in the transformer core gets turned into a puff of heat.
So to me, it looks like when the Stop switch is open-circuit the setup will be transferring battery power into the LED load and the LEDs will light up. When the Stop switch is short-circuited the LEDs don't light or barely light and the circuit does nothing really except turn battery power into heat.
MileHigh
If here not fake. Author say, that core destroing after some time, after 3-5 days about, then need it reglue... So maybe he use frenquency, with that need put on self resonance on mechanical vibrations on ferite? And he also write, that wound need like in picture. And I, think, than shield of cuper not important. He also mention, that first thing, that ferrite destroy because shield make short turn, but, now he say seems, that ferrite destroing not of shortied shield resason, but it destroing by itself after some days.
:)
Dear All.
I have made the simulation URL smaller as requested, thanks MileHigh !! However when I open the file I can't see the correct simulation. Does anyone else have any luck ?
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg394925/#msg394925
Cheers Grum.
Grumage!
The simulation of your circuit runs! I looked at it and I got it right in my analysis! Woo! Hoo!
MileHigh
Here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8 (http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8)
Very nice job on the simulation BTW.
If some people are having trouble it might be because Java is not installed or it's blocked. On my computer I have to click through three or four approvals before I run a Java applet. That's intentional because I love to hate Java and Flash. Flash is enabled of course because the Internet is infested with it.
@Dave
It is true that you did not state that the current through a deenergizing inductor reverses but you seem to have implied it.
The voltage (EMF) generated across such deenergizing inductor may appear too reverse if you measure it between two different points in a circuit (e.g. in the Boost Converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter) circuit).
All EEs and physiciscts understand it very well and there is no need for you to educate us on this part. We are not sleeping as you have implied.
Also, the fact that a diode has two major ratings (max forward current and max reverse blocking voltage) does not mean that current can be separated from voltage as a concept.
As far as the nature electricity, it is fine to question it. We do not have a proof that charged electrons are the sole carriers of electric current in solid conductors, although this is often assumed and taught in educational institutions.
But, for engineering purposes it just does not matter. The Ohm's law, Faraday's law of induction, etc... are heuristic, empirical laws that were bench proofed for centuries. Electric circuits really behave according to them even if most of us don't know what goes on under the hood.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Case 1: When the Stop switch is open-circuit.
When the MOSFET is on, the current flows through L1 and then through the MOSFET to ground. This is the energizing phase for the magnetic core. The LEDs may be lit from C3 still discharging from the previous cycle.
Yes. These load LEDs can also be lit from the turn-on transient when the bootstrap power is first applied to the whole circuit.
L1, C3, R1 and R5 form a series LCR circuit that makes this possible.
This is boring, of course. I wrote it only for completeness.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
When the MOSFET switches off, the current flow follows the red path. This is standard Bedini fare like I said before, with the addition of the big C3 decoupling cap to absorb the current spikes and convert them into the voltage that drives the LED array. Not much exciting there.
Yes, it has a high yawn factor. With the L1 circuit alone, it works as a standard
Boost Converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter).
Quote from: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Case 2: When the Stop switch is a short circuit.
When the MOSFET switches on, L2 will output a DC EMF that is the duration of the on pulse. The battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 (they add together)
You can't be sure of that because the dot convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_convention#Terminal_layout_conventions) on
that schematic (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307) cannot be trusted.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
will then follow the blue DC discharge path on the schematic. However, there is the 430 kohm resistor R2 in the path. That's almost like an open circuit. C4 will pass a tiny puff of AC current flow that will be absorbed by C3. So there is a very tiny DC current flow and a little puff of AC current flow when the MOSFET first switches on.
Yes, if L2 is really connected so that the battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 add together.
It is interesting to consider the motives of the designer here. Why did he think that R2 and C4 are needed at all?
Quote from: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
When the MOSFET switches off, this one might be an unpleasant surprise to some. The current follows the green path. There still may be some voltage in C3 that keeps the LEDs barely lit, but this has nothing to do with the green current path.
When you look at the green current path you notice that no energy at all is returned to C11.
The behavior of the circuit appears different if you look at
this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+34+12.0+43%0A162+352+176+352+208+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+208+352+240+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+240+352+272+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+272+352+304+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+304+352+336+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0Av+144+240+144+176+0+0+40.0+12.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+384+96+432+96+0+0.01+3.0+3.8989708282707225+-3.2029934260435766E-14+0.999%0Ad+384+128+384+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+352+176+384+176+0%0A159+256+240+256+272+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+144+48+144+96+0%0Aw+144+96+144+176+0%0AR+208+256+176+256+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+352+336+352+384+0+1.0%0Aw+144+240+144+384+0%0Ac+384+176+384+384+0+0.002+3.1405987589909654%0Aw+352+384+384+384+0%0Ac+304+336+304+384+0+1.0E-5+8.181455513067702E-12%0Aw+352+384+304+384+0%0Aw+304+384+256+384+0%0Aw+144+384+256+384+0%0Aw+304+336+352+336+0%0Aw+384+128+256+128+0%0Aw+256+128+256+240+0%0Aw+256+272+256+384+0%0Ad+416+176+480+176+1+0.805904783%0Ar+480+208+416+208+0+420000.0%0Ac+480+240+416+240+0+1.0E-10+2.291367096063368E-11%0Aw+416+176+416+208+0%0Aw+416+208+416+240+0%0Aw+480+176+480+208+0%0Aw+480+208+480+240+0%0Aw+384+176+416+176+0%0Aw+464+128+480+128+0%0Aw+464+96+480+96+0%0Aw+480+128+480+176+0%0Ar+144+48+256+48+0+1.0%0Ar+144+96+256+96+0+0.22%0Aw+256+96+384+96+0%0As+480+48+480+96+0+1+false%0Aw+256+48+480+48+0%0As+208+256+240+256+0+0+false%0Ag+144+384+144+400+0%0Aw+432+96+464+128+0%0Aw+464+96+432+128+0%0Ax+372+118+390+122+0+16+L1%0Ax+426+117+440+120+0+12+L2%0Ax+266+367+287+371+0+16+C5%0Ax+274+260+303+264+0+16+VT1%0Ax+391+303+412+307+0+16+C3%0Ax+113+199+142+203+0+16+12V%0Ax+351+158+372+162+0+16+D1%0Ax+438+162+459+166+0+16+D2%0Ax+498+79+546+82+0+12+Click+me%0Ax+261+319+339+322+0+11+TL494+feedback%0Ax+270+329+334+332+0+11+take-off+point%0Ao+15+16+0+34+5.0+3.2+0+-1%0A) with the L2 connection reversed.
There you can actually see the current returned to C11 (a battery in the simulation).
The D2 - the2
nd diode (the one associated with L2) starts conducting when the voltage across C3 + L2 exceeds the battery voltage.
In this scenario, the effect of D2 seems to be to limit the voltage of C3+L2's EMF to less than battery voltage. Like an overvoltage
non-dissipative clamp (http://powerelectronics.com/site-files/powerelectronics.com/files/archive/powerelectronics.com/images/509PET22.pdf) of sorts...
It is interesting to note, that the
feedback take-off point (junction of R5 & R7) used by the TL494 PWM controller to shorten its output ON pulse width, matters only when its voltage level falls to 0V (or below ground)
or when its voltage decrease rate (slew rate of the falling edge) exceeds -6.6V/ms to -18V/ms (see Itsu's experimental video
here (http://youtu.be/exIFDDgSrng)).
There are very few cases when this TL494 feedback path would be activated. Why would the author design such rare feedback pulse width limiting condition anyway?
Perhaps that Akula circuit is pure nonsense ...or perhaps when some unconventional magical event happens in the transformer, a very strong pulse is created in L2. So strong that the
feedback point (junction of R5 & R7) is quickly taken below ground for a brief time and a huge pulse of energy is returned to the battery (C11) through D2.
I know that, such event is far out, ...but this forum is about keeping our mind open to such possibilities, isn't it?
In the sim shown, if you right click on the switch being fed by the timing signal, the ohms of the switch is set at 20ohms(default).
Im not seeing the inductors/caps nor the switch that cuts off the battery source. The missing inductors affect efficiency.
Ill see if I can mod the circuit to fit those things.
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 29, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
I'm not seeing the inductors/caps nor the switch that cuts off the battery source. The missing inductors affect efficiency.
In
the simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+34+12.0+43%0A162+352+176+352+208+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+208+352+240+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+240+352+272+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+272+352+304+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+304+352+336+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0Av+144+240+144+176+0+0+40.0+12.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+384+96+432+96+0+0.01+3.0+3.8989708282707225+-3.2029934260435766E-14+0.999%0Ad+384+128+384+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+352+176+384+176+0%0A159+256+240+256+272+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+144+48+144+96+0%0Aw+144+96+144+176+0%0AR+208+256+176+256+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+352+336+352+384+0+1.0%0Aw+144+240+144+384+0%0Ac+384+176+384+384+0+0.002+3.1405987589909654%0Aw+352+384+384+384+0%0Ac+304+336+304+384+0+1.0E-5+8.181455513067702E-12%0Aw+352+384+304+384+0%0Aw+304+384+256+384+0%0Aw+144+384+256+384+0%0Aw+304+336+352+336+0%0Aw+384+128+256+128+0%0Aw+256+128+256+240+0%0Aw+256+272+256+384+0%0Ad+416+176+480+176+1+0.805904783%0Ar+480+208+416+208+0+420000.0%0Ac+480+240+416+240+0+1.0E-10+2.291367096063368E-11%0Aw+416+176+416+208+0%0Aw+416+208+416+240+0%0Aw+480+176+480+208+0%0Aw+480+208+480+240+0%0Aw+384+176+416+176+0%0Aw+464+128+480+128+0%0Aw+464+96+480+96+0%0Aw+480+128+480+176+0%0Ar+144+48+256+48+0+1.0%0Ar+144+96+256+96+0+0.22%0Aw+256+96+384+96+0%0As+480+48+480+96+0+1+false%0Aw+256+48+480+48+0%0As+208+256+240+256+0+0+false%0Ag+144+384+144+400+0%0Aw+432+96+464+128+0%0Aw+464+96+432+128+0%0Ax+372+118+390+122+0+16+L1%0Ax+426+117+440+120+0+12+L2%0Ax+266+367+287+371+0+16+C5%0Ax+274+260+303+264+0+16+VT1%0Ax+391+303+412+307+0+16+C3%0Ax+113+199+142+203+0+16+12V%0Ax+351+158+372+162+0+16+D1%0Ax+438+162+459+166+0+16+D2%0Ax+498+79+546+82+0+12+Click+me%0Ax+261+319+339+322+0+11+TL494+feedback%0Ax+270+329+334+332+0+11+take-off+point%0Ao+15+16+0+34+5.0+3.2+0+-1%0A), the battery on the left plays the role of C11.
The bootstrap battery, associated switch and C16 are not included for simplicity.
Here's a simulation you may find interesting
http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa
Quote from: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
Here's a simulation you may find interesting
http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa (http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa)
Nope. To me it's 40 year old news.
I wanted to show the directions through the diode, so I redid it, notice the bemf runs through the diode opposite the direction the current runs through, this would indicate the polarity of the collapsing magnetic field is pos.
http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk
Quote from: verpies on March 29, 2014, 08:26:49 PM
Nope. To me it's 40 year old news.
Mr. Verpies you may understand this but not everyone on this forum has your expertise, it took me five years to understand this, no training only help from this and other forums.
I hope to save others time, Im here to help.
Im going to simulate Akula's 80w device as I see it, but Im sure you know how that works too.
But you never know even you may be surprised ;D
later
dave
Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized.
This is not the simulation, working on it.
But is how the coils aid each other.
See the double diodes, I didnt show it but the neg bemf from L2 feeds the neg rail through these diodes.
Dave45 said:
" Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized. "
The question myself and I'm sure many are asking is...so for, ' how's conventional thinking working for ya ?'
All ideas have potential to inspire other ideas.
Historically, those who have no concept of perceived limits are frequently the ones to exceed them.
Regards...
Quote from: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 11:03:38 PM
See the double diodes, I didnt show it but the neg bemf from L2 feeds the neg rail through these diodes.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 09:55:36 PM
Mr. Verpies you may understand this but not everyone on this forum has your expertise, it took me five years to understand this, no training only help from this and other forums.
I hope to save others time, Im here to help.
Im going to simulate Akula's 80w device as I see it, but Im sure you know how that works too.
But you never know even you may be surprised ;D
later
dave
Dave thanks for the simulation. Please explain; I am one of those who doesn't get how the current can travel both ways through the diode.
http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk (http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk)
Seems, that his фонарь 30 ватт working on tesla swith principe.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized.
Because criticism is a valid scientific feedback, often more educational than praising.
Note, that science is not a discipline for people driven by emotions, but for people for the affinity of logic and truth and understanding.
Those that are easily offended by criticisms of their ideas and other non-AdHominem remarks cannot pursue science in its true form.
Quote from: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 09:09:43 PM
I wanted to show the directions through the diode, so I redid it, notice the bemf runs through the diode opposite the direction the current runs through,
That's good that you want to educate others, but when you assume that position, you have to be more careful with the accurateness of your terminology.
For example: BEMF is not something that can "run" through sth. Current can "run" but not voltage (emf).
When you are inaccurate with words, you serve more to confuse people than to educate them.
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 30, 2014, 04:05:48 AM
Please explain; I am one of those who doesn't get how the current can travel both ways through the diode.
http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk (http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk)
Because in this ideal circuit the electric current does not travel in both directions through the diode.
See
this animation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.1403457272655063%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+1.915293487919711%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+34+20.0+25.6+0+-1%0A) - it is more accurate. The upper trace shows the current flowing through the diode and the lower trace shows the voltage across the capacitor.
In the real word, diodes can conduct electric current backwards, due to:
1) junction capacitance (see
this (http://www.edn.com/design/led/4368392/An-LED-s-intrinsic-capacitance-works-in-a-650-mV-LRC-circuit))
2) finite
reverse recovery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode#Reverse-recovery_effect) time
3) reverse
Zener breakdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_breakdown).
4) reverse
avalanche breakdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_diode) 5) the
SRD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_recovery_diode) effect.
6) reverse bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_bias) leakage current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_%28electronics%29#In_semiconductors) (insignificant)
7) reverse
photocurrent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodiode#Photoconductive_mode)
QuoteSee this animation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.1403457272655063%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+1.915293487919711%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+34+20.0+25.6+0+-1%0A) - it is more accurate
Im sorry but no its not, it doesnt explain femf or bemf.
In the gif I showed the bemf from the coil hitting the leg of the capacitor, this leg then becomes pos.
Look at the schematic of the gif the neg of the battery is connected to the first leg the pos bemf hits the other leg this charges the cap.....pos on one side neg on the other.
If you run this pos bemf into another coil as Akula did its bemf will have a neg charge
Opposites attract, when a coil is hit with a neg pulse it takes on a neg charge as a whole, pos ions will form around the coil then when the magnetic field collapses it will bring a pos charge into the coil.
The same is true if you hit a coil with a pos pulse (as in the pos bemf from the neg charged coil) it takes on a pos charge and neg ions will form around this coil and its bemf or collapsing magnetic field will bring a neg charge into the coil.
In the sim at falstad click options then uncheck conventional view and you will see how current truly moves through the circuit but it still does not show the coil reactions.
By looking at the circuit in the conventional view it appears the current continues in its original direction it appears as though whats truly bemf is femf and you see no polarity change as it moves through the diode.
Welcome to the world of unconventional thinking and free energy. (pun intended) ;)
Oh did I mention I have a PHD, yea Im a post hole digger from way back.
roflmao
put a little joy in your heart
laughter is food for the soul
dave
Dave, in your Falstead sim can you put scope testpoints right at both ends of the coils, and watch the voltage traces there as a pulse happens?
Dave:
QuoteIm sorry but no its not, it doesnt explain femf or bemf.
The animation might not explain it but it does show you the BEMF and the FEMF in action. Just slow it down a bit.
The colours are showing you the voltages around the loop. When the switch opens you can see the right side of the coil start to turn green as the discharging coil charges up the capacitor to high voltage. That's the FEMF.
The BEMF is less evident colour-wise but you can see how the coil has a colour gradient on it also. Look at the coil when the switch closes, that's the BEMF.
Your ideas about a coil being "charged negative or positive" are wrong. There is no charging of the coil in the sense of a negative or positive potential and ions and all that stuff. There is the current through the coil, and the voltage across it. The coil is "charged" or "energized" with energy when there is current flowing through it. It's that energy that creates the FEMF.
MileHigh
@MileHigh
Just got back home from late night jamming with 10 musicians all guys I have know for 45 years so I will be looking at your posts (with thanks) more closely today.
Are you considering that the transformer is a three gap E-core possibly running at resonance and not a standard transformer running at 60Hz forced reaction. Do the simulation programs differentiate between these coils types. If not then they may not apply.
There is a certain part of EE that may not consider any re-biasing of the secondary during part of the cycle. When I say re-biasing, maybe via an analogy of a swing, when the swing goes from right to left, the re-bias immediately sends the swing back to the right side so it can have a complete swing on the next release, thus providing a maximum swing on each release without losing momentum that would occur if the swing had to move back to the right hand side on its own.
Is there a way to simulate the copper strip?
I think we should forget the stop switch since this circuit is designed to operate with the stop switch shorted.
I'll be back later.
Where's the coffee.
wattsup
Quote from: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
I'm sorry but no its not, it doesn't explain femf or bemf.
It does.
You can see it more clearly if you slow it down or double click on the inductor to edit it and increase its inductance.
Back EMF is the voltage developed across the inductor
in opposition to the increase of the current flow through it.
Forward EMF is the voltage developed across the inductor
in opposition to the decrease of the current flow through it.
They can be seen as varying colors of the wires leading to the inductor.
QuoteThe colours are showing you the voltages around the loop. When the switch opens you can see the right side of the coil start to turn green as the discharging coil charges up the capacitor to high voltage. That's the FEMF.
This is exactly what Im talking about, by looking at the circuit in the conventional view you see femf when actually thats the bemf, you dont see that there is a polarity change as it moves through the diode.
:-\ oh well i tried.
later
dave
Quote from: TinselKoala on March 30, 2014, 09:27:08 AM
Dave, in your Falstead sim can you put scope testpoints right at both ends of the coils, and watch the voltage traces there as a pulse happens?
Yes, in
this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.08942349689158237%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+15.28454098055727%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+290+40.0+25.6+0+-1%0Ao+0+16+0+290+20.0+0.1+0+-1%0A) the upper trace is the current flowing through the diode (not reversing!), the middle one is the voltage across a capacitor and the bottom one is the voltage across the inductor.
The latter one reverses polarity between +6V and -12V each cycle in order to oppose attempts to change the current flowing through the inductor.
Hello Everyone,
I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built. For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others.
Thanks
Wattsup:
Did you play Can't You Hear Me Knocking? lol
Quote from: wattsup on March 30, 2014, 09:58:36 AM
@MileHigh
Are you considering that the transformer is a three gap E-core possibly running at resonance and not a standard transformer running at 60Hz forced reaction. Do the simulation programs differentiate between these coils types. If not then they may not apply.
There is a certain part of EE that may not consider any re-biasing of the secondary during part of the cycle. When I say re-biasing, maybe via an analogy of a swing, when the swing goes from right to left, the re-bias immediately sends the swing back to the right side so it can have a complete swing on the next release, thus providing a maximum swing on each release without losing momentum that would occur if the swing had to move back to the right hand side on its own.
Is there a way to simulate the copper strip?
I think we should forget the stop switch since this circuit is designed to operate with the stop switch shorted.
I'll be back later.
Where's the coffee.
wattsup
For the transformer, one or more gaps will significantly lower the total magnetic flux through the core for a given ampere-turn excitation. I know there is a belief or hope that cutting one or more gaps will do something. I will suggest something that I have mentioned several times before. The best thing to do is make A-B comparisons, uncut and cut. Or if you only have one transformer make a set of orderly measurements before and after you cut the gap or gaps.
So I view the cuts as degrading the performance of the transformer. That's me questioning the design with my critical eye. Verpies is the expert on magnetics and he is hoping for a big score so you never know!
I saw that the pulse waveform is somewhere between 16 kHz and about 120 kHz. That means the transformer will be operating either in signal mode or pulse mode, depending on the state of the Stop switch. You guys will have to do your builds but if the dots on the transformer in the schematic are accurate then things look pretty grim for the circuit with the Stop switch shorted.
When the Stop switch is shorted, the transformer acts in signal mode. That means a voltage square wave on the input becomes a voltage square wave on the output. You can reread my earlier posting but the secondary output of the transformer doesn't output to the LEDs.
When the Stop switch is open-circuit, the the transformer operates in pulse mode. You fill the "bucket" of the magnetic core with a pulse of energy, and then the magnetic core dumps the stored pulse of energy into the LEDs. It's just Bedini revisited.
As far as resonance goes, I don't expect that you will see that. If you are seriously going to pursue that then you will need to define what resonant mode you are talking about, or observe it and figure out what mode it is. Be forewarned that resonance can be a power hog, sucking up battery power with no real output. For example, that's what pick-up coils in resonance on a pulse motor will do.
When you talk about the rebiasing, I don't quite get it but I would suggest to you and the gang to investigate that issue by making a timing diagram by observing multiple scope signal traces at key points in the circuit. The issue is bridging the gap between the verbal speculation and the bench testing. If there is any "swing" then you should be able to confirm or deny that by recording and analyzing the timing of the operation of the circuit.
For the copper strip, I suggested the A-B comparison testing. I don't view the coper strip as being real.
I know that there is a lot of enthusiasm so perhaps a builder and tester will prove me wrong about the transformer and the copper strip. If the gang could keep the same enthusiasm level going on the testing side and analysis side that would be great. It's all about scoping the input and output signals for the transformer and then following the signal path to the LED array.
MileHigh
This isnt perfect but gives an idea of the coil reactions, each coils bemf aids the other.
http://makeagif.com/i/X93gwp
Quote from: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
When a coil is hit with a neg pulse it takes on a neg charge as a whole, pos ions will form around the coil then when the magnetic field collapses it will bring a pos charge into the coil.
What is the ratio of the pulse's wavelength to the length of the coil in this scenario?
Dave:
I am just going to repeat that the water analogy will help you.
Start with one simple example:
Myself and Verpies said that when the switch in his simulation closes and the battery is directly connected to the coil and the diode, that's when the coil is generating BEMF.
So why is the BEMF there? If you are not sure, take a serious look at the water analogy. Can you see why the BEMF is there in the water analogy? Imagine the water flows through the coiled hose with no friction. That's just like imagining an electrical coil has no wire resistance.
MileHigh
Verpies:
I finally looked at the simulation where you "swap the dots" for the transformer configuration. Indeed you see some current go back into the battery but it's small compared to the battery discharge current. Tuning??? lol
But no lights! Dang!
That pulse modulation chip seems to have caused a lot of spinning of wheels on OUR. It appears to also be a PWM that can get the current sense from the LED array to make a negative feedback loop? It seems more trouble that it's worth and a 555 is a viable alternative - or a signal generator as several have pointed out. I know, then it won't be a true replication.
Anyway it will be fun to see the populated boards put through their paces.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Dave:
I am just going to repeat that the water analogy will help you.
@Dave:
In case his optimism about this analogy is justified in your case, I am attaching a water analogy of the inductor below. (it is animated but you have to un-rar it to see it move).
verpies
Very interesting animation. Something special here I think you can find OU on it ;) , just analyse it according to the thermodynamic laws using out of the box thinking
Quote from: forest on March 30, 2014, 04:02:29 PM
Very interesting animation.
I'm glad you like it.
I can post more of these animations if you convince the site Admin (
Hartiberlin (http://www.overunity.com/profile/hartiberlin.2/)) not to truncate animated gifs, zip and rar attachments.
I had to pad the rar file with 256 zero bytes, for it to survive the truncation.
I don't want to pad every attachment like that.
Quote from: forest on March 30, 2014, 04:02:29 PM
Something special here I think you can find OU on it ;) , just analyze it according to the thermodynamic laws using out of the box thinking
You must mean the lossless compression of the air in these bellows.
Personally I prefer to depict the magnetic field as the water turbine's moment of inertia ...or a massive flywheel attached to it.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 11:54:30 AM
Indeed you see some current go back into the battery but it's small compared to the battery discharge current. Tuning??? lol
I wouldn't know what to tune for. According to conventional wisdom L2 cannot give back more than L1 took.
Only if something weird happened in that inductor/transformer then a net gain would be possible.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 11:54:30 AM
It appears to also be a PWM that can get the current sense from the LED array to make a negative feedback loop?
Yes, it would appear so ...just what is that strange feedback loop for?
It would be pretty hard to bring that R5/R7 junction below ground ...or even to make it fall quickly (-6V/ms) with those huge caps.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 11:54:30 AM
It seems more trouble that it's worth and a 555 is a viable alternative - or a signal generator as several have pointed out.
Yes, without that strange feedback loop it might as well be driven by a 555 astable.
Lost_bro:
Quote
I changed the value of the upper left hand resistor to 67ohms (originally 1 ohm). With the original value of 1 ohm, the LEDs self extinguish when the stop switch is shorted: Now (with the 67ohm resistor) when the stop switched is 'Closed' or shorted, the LEDs will stay lit to a certain degree and there is a partial charge returning the the 'Battery' (according to the sim.).
I am not a builder but the wisest course of action would be to replicate to the schematic and parts list as closely as possible, for starters. I am assuming that eveybody except Itsu will have the same PCB. Changing a resistor value to see your desired goal is a cart-before-the-horse way of going about it.
I would suggest that if there is an issue with the PWM circuit in the schematic and it needs a small mod, then you all agree on the mod and everybody does exactly the same mod. So everybody at least starts out with the same functional device to test. You really don't want anarchy setting in right away. If you all find that the LEDs don't light when the Stop switch is short-circuited, then you can collectively decide what to do next. There may be no need to do a kludge to force the "Stop" switch to not shut off the LEDs. My instincts are telling me that the Stop switch is
supposed to stop the LEDs from lighting up when it is a short-circuit. If that's the case, then there is no need to make a sudden move to hack into the boards.
It looks like a bit of extra enthusiasm without examining the circuit led to the belief that the Stop switch had to be shorted for proper operation. It's more like you can view the Stop switch as a supplement to the On-Off switch, sort of like a temporary way of turning off the LEDs while the rest of the circuit still runs. My reasons for saying this are outlined in an earlier posting and the simulation backs the analysis up.
There is no need to doubt the simulation's ability to simulate this circuit. However, it's sometimes necessary to have some tweaking done on the simulation, simply to get it to more accurately model the real circuit. Once that is done, the simulation will be deadly accurate. From what I can see, none or very little tweaking will have to be done to see the signals in the simulation be nearly identical to the signals that you see on your scope display.
If there is "magic" then you will expect to see something out of the ordinary. If not, then what you see when you probe your boards will be very close to what you see on the simulation.
MileHigh
@MH
It will be easier for me to answer in bold inside your great post. Thanks for the insight. We will know soon enough though so the only recourse is to stay open to all possibilities.
Quote from: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 11:01:26 AM
Wattsup:
Did you play Can't You Hear Me Knocking? lol
I am so mad about one thing. Yesterday I go buy a Tascam Linear PCM Recorder just to able to record our complete jam session. I was certain is was recording, then when you jam, you never stop so when it was time to check the recording, it did not. So I will have one next time.
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Some stones but not that one.
For the transformer, one or more gaps will significantly lower the total magnetic flux through the core for a given ampere-turn excitation. That's why the flyback will be even harder.
I know there is a belief or hope that cutting one or more gaps will do something. I will suggest something that I have mentioned several times before. The best thing to do is make A-B comparisons, uncut and cut. Or if you only have one transformer make a set of orderly measurements before and after you cut the gap or gaps.
So I view the cuts as degrading the performance of the transformer. That's me questioning the design with my critical eye. Verpies is the expert on magnetics and he is hoping for a big score so you never know!
I saw that the pulse waveform is somewhere between 16 kHz and about 120 kHz. That means the transformer will be operating either in signal mode or pulse mode, depending on the state of the Stop switch. You guys will have to do your builds but if the dots on the transformer in the schematic are accurate then things look pretty grim for the circuit with the Stop switch shorted.
When the Stop switch is shorted, the transformer acts in signal mode. That means a voltage square wave on the input becomes a voltage square wave on the output. You can reread my earlier posting but the secondary output of the transformer doesn't output to the LEDs.
Please don't forget that most of the technical or commercial usage of the e-core is with primary using magwire and a good number of winds to achieve some coil resistance. A primary of 60 turns or more of AWG 21 is not uncommon. In the Akula usage the primary is wound with a plastic coated conductor (not magwire) of few turns. Not your typical usage for standard simulation. So question is asked. Does a low turn, low skin effect primary provide a form of dielectric in the primary, since the primary is the side that is driving the load. Analogy: Mosfet open, load the gun (primary and load), Mosfet closed, shoot.
When the Stop switch is open-circuit, the the transformer operates in pulse mode. You fill the "bucket" of the magnetic core with a pulse of energy, and then the magnetic core dumps the stored pulse of energy into the LEDs. It's just Bedini revisited.
Ya but who did Bedini get it from. NT TOP. No need to go more.
As far as resonance goes, I don't expect that you will see that. If you are seriously going to pursue that then you will need to define what resonant mode you are talking about, or observe it and figure out what mode it is. Be forewarned that resonance can be a power hog, sucking up battery power with no real output. For example, that's what pick-up coils in resonance on a pulse motor will do.
Hmmmmmm. I would have thought the contrary as at resonance usually amp draw goes down and voltage goes up. When I say resonance it also includes slightly off the resonant frequency often produces better output then when the waveform rises out of the screen so there is a balance to find. We are talking specifically about the Akula E core and how Akula would be using this component with his circuit while we can presume his instructions are not 100%. Lower turn count means higher frequency. No core model in the diagram means just choosing the e-core material will not be an easy task and will require either some luck or a few good coil designers that can use the material tables and other targeted specs, but what are the specs needs to be defined first. To do that you have to fully understand the intended circuit usage so it becomes a viscous circle. hahaha
When you talk about the rebiasing, I don't quite get it but I would suggest to you and the gang to investigate that issue by making a timing diagram by observing multiple scope signal traces at key points in the circuit. The issue is bridging the gap between the verbal speculation and the bench testing. If there is any "swing" then you should be able to confirm or deny that by recording and analyzing the timing of the operation of the circuit.
I am putting two pdfs, the second really hits home and may be a set method to help define the core working parameters. Whatever builders do, please use a known e-core, not a no brand no models type off ebay or one you may have at home without any model identification. You need to work with a known e-core otherwise you will be turning in circles. Once one builder gets some good results, others that may have less good results could consider changing to the same model and if the results improve or equal the other, then you will know that working smart has its merits.
If there is no verbal speculation that makes any sense, it's senseless to build it. You have to work out all the details before you build, not while you build. You build to produce the effect you expect to produce, even if you expect out of the box, it still has to make some sense. Hard way to live indeed but someone has to do it.
For the copper strip, I suggested the A-B comparison testing. I don't view the coper strip as being real.
Well, it's in the photo and there is a 5th terminal wire so we have to give it full credit for props hence it should qualify as real enough.
I know that there is a lot of enthusiasm so perhaps a builder and tester will prove me wrong about the transformer and the copper strip. If the gang could keep the same enthusiasm level going on the testing side and analysis side that would be great. It's all about scoping the input and output signals for the transformer and then following the signal path to the LED array.
MileHigh
Thanks again for your post.
wattsup
Quote from: MileHigh on March 31, 2014, 12:35:23 AM
Lost_bro:
I am not a builder but the wisest course of action would be to replicate to the schematic and parts list as closely as possible, for starters. I am assuming that eveybody except Itsu will have the same PCB. Changing a resistor value to see your desired goal is a cart-before-the-horse way of going about it.
MileHigh
I much prefer to initially build my own experimental circuits / replications using breadboard or strip-board. I have all the necessary components except LED's and just need some time for building between my electronics work assignments. My intention is to begin with a lighter LED load and build-up to the full 30W load when I have the full compliment of LED's. I should be in a position to knock-up this circuit sometime this week and will keep as close as possible to Akula's design and component choice, which is obviously very important when replicating. Having said this, Akula has shown some rather odd component values and placements on his circuit schematic, which suggests to me that he is may be playing games! Purely from an observation point of view, I consider that Wottsup's suggested inductor winding details is a good starting point. I will lay a copper foil underneath the winds.
My interest is not so much to discover if this circuit self-runs - which I'm quite sure it will not - but to hopefully find out if there is anything in its operation that may have excited or mislead Akula into believing that something special worth publishing.
what could happen inside a core or bundle of wire to give back more ,
it never ever gives back more than it was put into it, you can not argue this one..
Quote from: energia9 on March 31, 2014, 05:43:46 AM
what could happen inside a core or bundle of wire to give back more?
For example McFreey's beta current pulse or Gunderson's acoustic Villari node ;)
The two conditions (v<0 && dv/dt<x) of TL494's negative feedback loop are consistent with the former, since the physics of beta current pulses makes their polarity negative.
Also, the copper shield would come in handy in collecting the deccelerated fast-electrons, which would otherwise cause heavy negative charge buildup and associated HV insulation breakdown.
Indeed, the usual electronic operational principles prevent the Akula's circuit and transformer from exceeding unity O/I power ratio, unless something unconventional happens in that transformer.
The conventional behavior of the transformer in this circuit is pretty accurately illustrated by the simulations posted in this thread.
Quote from: verpies on March 31, 2014, 06:05:49 AM
Indeed, the usual electronic operational principles prevent the Akula's circuit and transformer from exceeding unity O/I power ratio, unless something unconventional happens in that transformer.
The conventional behavior of the transformer in this circuit is pretty accurately illustrated by the simulations posted in this thread.
As I said in beginning, the trick is
in transformer... :D
And what effect needs to be there to trigger COP >1 condition - still not very clear.
Perhaps Grum had it very close with adding noise to circuit and having transformer fully ringing between each sharp pulse?
Cheers!
Oh, for Pete's sake!
Quote from: avalon on March 31, 2014, 04:24:43 PM
Oh, for Pete's sake!
Dear Avalon.
Welcome to the thread, Oh and by the way I'm Grum, not Pete !! :)
Sorry your Sim looks good but it does not show very clearly the 2 to 3 second dying oscillations that I am seeing after power off !! Just need some more noise !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Wattsup:
I have a real treat for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g)
QuoteHmmmmmm. I would have thought the contrary as at resonance usually amp draw goes down and voltage goes up.
Amp draw goes down once the resonator is filled with energy. But that's a temporary "overdraw" condition. The problem is that maximum voltage equals maximum current when the voltage is zero. That's where the losses are, in the resistance of the wires. So resonance is a power draw. The amplitude of the resonance gets as high as it can which is determined by how much power can be supplied by the source. For example, if someone can get a transformer to resonate, they can measure the power draw of the transformer at the resonant frequency, and just below or above the resonant frequency and compare. The point is to not take anything for granted. I have never done this, so I am not telling you this will exactly happen, but the measurements should be made.
I am not convinced that you will be able to make the transformer resonate in the circuit. However, chances are you could if you drove the isolated transformer with a swept sine wave from a signal generator.
MileHigh
P.S.: Lesser known and perhaps a good jam song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY)
Quote from: MileHigh on March 31, 2014, 07:12:14 PM
Wattsup:
Amp draw goes down once the resonator is filled with energy. But that's a temporary "overdraw" condition. The problem is that maximum voltage equals maximum current when the voltage is zero. That's where the losses are, in the resistance of the wires. So resonance is a power draw. The amplitude of the resonance gets as high as it can which is determined by how much power can be supplied by the source. For example, if someone can get a transformer to resonate, they can measure the power draw of the transformer at the resonant frequency, and just below or above the resonant frequency and compare. The point is to not take anything for granted. I have never done this, so I am not telling you this will exactly happen, but the measurements should be made.
I am not convinced that you will be able to make the transformer resonate in the circuit. However, chances are you could if you drove the isolated transformer with a swept sine wave from a signal generator.
MileHigh
The power draw at resonance depends on a few factors, "Q" factor of the coil is one factor and also the level of voltage used and achieved as well as the capacitor resistance and frequency.
My small Tesla coil primary with feedback oscillator has 1 mm wire and I can get a fair bit of activity in it with only 300 mA input, very much more watts than the few watts input, it gets up to like 200 Watts or so activity but the input at resonance is more than when not, when not at resonance the input is almost nil.
That's why I built my bigger Tesla coil with 1 mm wire in the secondary, how many Tesla coils you see made with 1 mm wire secondary ? I worked out a rough "Q" of 6000 or so for it. 3.2 Ohms resistance or is it only 1.6 Ohms resistance I can't remember, 4 mH and 760 kHz. I think it has a bit more than 4 mH inductance, been a while since I measured it.If the resistance is only 1.6 Ohms then the "Q" would be closer to 12000. Which would be good. :) EDIT I just worked it out by wire length and resistance for the wire per klm and it is more like less than 2 Ohms, so I'm gonna say the "Q" is more like 9000 for the bigger Tesla coil.
Circuit Sage "Q" factor calculator.
http://www.circuitsage.com/tools/tool_view&tool_id=17
I would say if people want to resonate coils the coils should be high "Q", this seems to be ignored. Resonance can change the impedance of a coil but it cannot change the DC resistance, the DC resistance will always burn up power. The oscillating losses can be calculated by the DC resistance and the oscillating current ect.
It makes no sense to me to resonate a coil with a lot of DC resistance, it will get hot and the heat will be produced from the input supply's energy.
Cheers
P.S. Of course the exception is if resonance is wanted to increase the voltage output of a transformer ect. and the power dissipated is not a concern.
If we have a coil which has 140 Ohms resistance it burns enough power making the current flow through it once not to mention non stop oscillating current.
If a coil is going to act as a high resistance to reduce input it makes no sense to have it resonate.
The near infinite resistance of parallel resonance can reduce input in some situations. It depends on stuff.
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The reason you are seeing dying oscillations is discontinuous conduction mode which happens when ripples in inductor current cause polarity switch of applied switch current to reverse.
This could be a result of a poor quality inductor with high parasitic (stray) capacitance (C). When the switch is off the secondary coil still has energy equal to C * U(out)^2/2. Hence - dying oscillations.
There is no free energy here.
~A
Quote from: Grumage on March 31, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
... it does not show very clearly the 2 to 3 second dying oscillations that I am seeing after power off ...
Farmhand:
This is a statement that might suggest some interesting experiments to you:
In simplified terms: Let's say, you connect your signal generator to an LC resonator. The wire resistance is 2 ohms and the peak-to-peak voltage is 10 volts. There is some measurable power A going into the resonator.
Now say you have the same LC resonator, same inductance and capacitance, but the wire resistance is 1 ohm. You connect the signal generator and this time the peak-to-peak voltage is 14 volts and there is some measurable power B going into the resonator.
So, the AC voltage increased, but that means more current going through the wire.
Is power A > B or is power B > A or are they roughly the same?
Let's say for the sake of argument that they are the same. So that means that there are nil returns in terms of power drain reduction when you lower the resistance of the wire in the LC resonator.
Lower resistance equals higher Q factor, and higher voltages and a narrower - 3 dB bandwidth, but not necessarily reduced power burn-off in the resonator.
There are issues of how you couple to the LC resonator and source impedance and source voltage that I did not touch on, but I assume that you get the main point. The by far far easiest way to do these tests is with pSpice or even that Java simulator.
MileHigh
Yes but MileHigh try an LC circuit with 150 Ohms resistance and then to get the same activity in the tank you'll need more input. It all depends on why you are doing it and what you want to achieve. It's all relative I agree.
It also depends on if there is a limiting load or not as well. If there is no load why do it ?
Cheers
P.S. I'm no expert but I think I see in my setups I can alter the output impedance by tuning.
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I want to state at this point something Tesla said in the Colorado Springs Notes, Tesla clearly stated, July 7 1899 page 65 see attachment that a high rate of transformation is better for power transmission, but for signals (small power levels) a great resonant rise can be beneficial.
Now when transmitting power I think the idea is to tune the machine to the load so as to be most efficient, perfect resonance is not the goal, but the device should be capable of being tuned to resonance.
Tesla coiler's know that to get the best performance when making streamers the primary L/C should be tuned to a bit lower frequency than the secondary because when the secondary breaks out in streamers it's resonant frequency drops due to the load. The Spark makers transformer has a load, which is the streamers. They limit the voltage for the input applied but the transformer is still "resonant".
As for resonance in these Akula devices, I don't know, there could be a use for it in some part of some circuit. But to me the circuit seems odd and I see no replications I can believe.
Cheers
MileHigh, you are correct though. I know this because I see in my older video's with my small Tesla coil transmitter and receiver setups that when the transmitter is tuned to resonance and the receiver has no load then the input can be higher than when the receiver is lightly loaded. That is because the load is just enough to limit the voltage in the tank to lower the losses. However a tuned setup should be able to be tuned to have a low idle input, then when a load is placed on the receiver the transmitter input goes up, I have also shown that. It is all in the tuning, tuned circuits need to be tuned. And to do that the operator needs to know his circuit to some degree, experimenting with tuned circuits is fun and very educational in a practical way.
The best and simplest tuned circuit is the two Tesla coils with one of them driven by 12 volts and switched at full resonant frequency, with the ability to vary the driving frequency and pulse width and to tune the L/C of the two primaries and the two secondaries. One can learn a lot from such a setup. Using a feedback oscillator can be good but it is different to driving at a frequency that is manually varied. ( a function generator is ok but the power is not enough ) FG good enough to light neon's and see the distribution of potential though.
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P.S. I want to build a "H" bridge circuit to switch a variety of coils, previously I just used DC pulses, switching the primary coil both ways will help for more output I think.
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Quote from: MileHigh on March 31, 2014, 07:12:14 PM
Wattsup:
I have a real treat for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g)
MileHigh
P.S.: Lesser known and perhaps a good jam song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY)
Forget the replications here's the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0cVp0WWkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0cVp0WWkk) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRot9IjNSso :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGFuX2KDQs :) :)
You guy's still dont get it
The key to free energy is ionization
The coils (chokes) have to separated with enough distance that the charges cannot rejoin before they are collected.
Look at static eliminators
A choke pulsed with a neg pulse will have a pos bemf
A choke pulsed with a pos pulse will have a neg bemf
Here's one to think about
Quote from: Dave45 on April 01, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
A choke pulsed with a neg pulse will have a pos bemf
A choke pulsed with a pos pulse will have a neg bemf
What is the wavelength of the driving pulse compared to the length of the choke in your scenario?
Farmhand:
Just to explore the loading issue and resonance some more.
The child on the swing example: You push harder and the size of the swing increases. Then it stabilizes at the larger overall swing amplitude. So you have to put more energy into the push and you get a larger swing that burns off 100% of your push energy. You can look at it another way - the resonator is adapting itself to your push to extract exactly how much energy you are willing to put into it.
If the resistance is low (air resistance in this case) then you get a higher swing for the same energy per push. If the air is thicker the swing goes down. Push harder and the swing goes back up.
So in essence the swing adapts itself to "match your push." So what does that mean for the power consumption in an electrical LC resonator? Or to put it more accurately, an LCR resonator.
Here is the question: Can you think of the design for a circuit that will simulate the swing and the pushing? See that can be fun. You have a physical setup and to test it's behaviour you design a circuit and then run the simulations and play with the variables. The goal for the test would be to make the power consumption measurement for different resistance values associated with the LCR resonator. You could drop a power measurement probe onto the schematic, and then see what happens to the average power consumption when you change the "R" part of the resonator.
MileHigh
Hi.
For those who want to know something more about resonance. Are you aware of works of those guys: Minorsky, Mandelstam and Papalexi? I'm in possession of their works in pdf. Here are two of them. Only, they call it "Parametric Excitation" instead. See these links:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-UGFBRnZFd1Rnanc/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-UGFBRnZFd1Rnanc/edit?usp=sharing) 1950
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-Ylk3QmhFNy1hbVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-Ylk3QmhFNy1hbVU/edit?usp=sharing) 1935
I've decided to add three more works: two patents based on the above info and the original work (over 700 pages).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHVMbG1WVkttOGM/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHVMbG1WVkttOGM/edit?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-WFNjam1vdzhjMVE/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-WFNjam1vdzhjMVE/edit?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-ZTR2V0YzTElkVHM/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-ZTR2V0YzTElkVHM/edit?usp=sharing)
Hello Everyone,
I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built. For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others. :)
Circuit Nerd
Quote from: Circuit Nerd on April 02, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it??
Four, and more are posting their builds at O.U.R. One member even had a PCB done for it, (see
here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12476))
The circuits work as in simulations, but then the circuit is not the mystery here...the transformer/inductor is.
Quote from: Circuit Nerd on April 02, 2014, 10:15:40 AMFor what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions.
What modifications have you tried?
How did you wind the transformer (L1 & L2) and what core did you use?
I can't resist to disclose this extremely unconventional book of C. P. Steinmetz of 1900, "Theory and Calculations of Alternating Current Phenomena", pdf download available:
https://archive.org/details/theorycalculatio00steiiala (https://archive.org/details/theorycalculatio00steiiala)
Some more info about this guy:
http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/Steinmetz.htm (http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/Steinmetz.htm)
Thank you for the files Qwert, can never have too many files to read. I copy reference material like this to my laptop as well. :) Much appreciated.
Cheers
Qwert:
I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing. There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.
MileHigh
Grumage is getting HF negative pulses across R5 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307). Go figure...
Quote from: verpies on April 02, 2014, 07:41:46 PM
Grumage is getting HF negative pulses across R5 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307). Go figure...
My fist thought is that is due to a bump or step in the voltage on C3 associated with the switching. The C3 voltage is at the top of the LED array. The bump will charge C5 with a voltage step. Then C5 will form an RLC resonator with R5 and the interconnect wire inductance that forms the R5-C5 loop. So it could just be normal ringing. The ringing looks like it could be around 10 MHz. Does that sound about right? Picowatt would save the day. lol
I can't really digest Grumage's nice scope shot. I skimmed over earlier postings so I may have missed something. Nice to see things are progressing along!
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 02, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
Qwert:
I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing. There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.
MileHigh
Sounds like a waste of time ;D
sorry I couldnt resist lol
You know Im just kidding right
dave
You forgot to add the <rim shot>!
Quote from: Circuit Nerd on April 02, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
Hello Everyone,
I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built. For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others. :)
Circuit Nerd
I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.
The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.
Here it is...
Quote from: avalon on April 03, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.
EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.
Quote from: verpies on April 03, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.
EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.
The core in the picture is ETD49 (see below). However, using laminated core makes almost no difference whatsoever as far as the end result is concerned.
~A
@avalon, is the core center gaped at all?
Quote from: verpies on April 03, 2014, 01:04:32 PM
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.
EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.
For sure on the MOSFET driver. A question that I don't have an answer to is at what switching frequency do you need to switchover to a MOSFET driver? For example, I think the output of a 555 can source and sink current. So a 555 connected directly to a MOSFET gate in very close proximity probably works fine to say, up to 10-20 KHz? I am assuming that you are using reasonable criteria to define when you hit a given high frequency where you stop.
For the transformer core issue, I think no matter what the configuration and core material, it either looks like (1) a "lossy bucket of energy with holes that allow energy to leak out," or (2) a set of meshed gears with normal frictional losses.
Let's see how the repo crew does with their replications. Fire up your scopes! Calibrate your probes!
MileHigh
Quote from: starcruiser on April 03, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
@avalon, is the core center gaped at all?
I played with the gap a bit. Mainly to satisfy my curiosity. No interesting results to mention.
BTW, I have read a transcript of a Russian site http://realstrannik.ru/ where this whole thing started and, apparently, it is a hoax.
The guy's name is Roman Karnaukhov and he's a very bitter spiteful man. It appears that he's got a problem with the rest of the world and tries to make it pay for all it's sins.
~A
Quote from: MileHigh on April 02, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
Qwert:
I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing. There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.
MileHigh
Thanks for comment. Some real infos come on later pages. At least I found them such (maybe b'coz I lack the conventional knowledge, meaning, I never studied and / or worked in this field). For example, in chapter 23 "Effects of higher harmonics", I've learned that some harmonics can rise the fundamental as much as close to 300 percent. I couldn't find this info otherwise.
Quote from: avalon on April 03, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
I played with the gap a bit. Mainly to satisfy my curiosity. No interesting results to mention.
BTW, I have read a transcript of a Russian site http://realstrannik.ru/ where this whole thing started and, apparently, it is a hoax.
The guy's name is Roman Karnaukhov and he's a very bitter spiteful man. It appears that he's got a problem with the rest of the world and tries to make it pay for all it's sins.
~A
You'd speak with him directly before stating about fake thing and so far I am not thinking if this replication is fake.
The tricky part is to replicate effect and that's where most fail to repeatedly achieve...
Quote from: Qwert on April 04, 2014, 12:50:47 AM
Thanks for comment. Some real infos come on later pages. At least I found them such (maybe b'coz I lack the conventional knowledge, meaning, I never studied and / or worked in this field). For example, in chapter 23 "Effects of higher harmonics", I've learned that some harmonics can rise the fundamental as much as close to 300 percent. I couldn't find this info otherwise.
I believe Akula shows this in his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHipGkfSAY& (thanks to Wesley for translation)
kind regards and peace
Looks like you missed the socket with a couple of pins. Is this the driver chip, with unused pins?
QuoteYour search - IDDX609 data sheet - did not match any documents.
Quote from: avalon on April 03, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.
The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.
Here it is...
Guys i have had 30 of Groundloops Akula Pcb's made up, I've given a number of these to OUR members, i currently have 5 spare for anyone in the UK or Europe.
There should also be another 5 available to USA & Canada soon.
If you want a free of charge PCB let me know your full Name and address for Postage, I do not keep records of names & Addresses on file ;) so no need to worry about your details falling into wrong hands.
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
Bad taste sir ..............
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O. requieres such tedious diligence.
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!
{Edit for spelling }
I dunno if this will work or not. Just posting a link as everyone is struggling with Akula (Roman) Circuit. Just have a look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I
--- Mr Teslonian
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 04, 2014, 05:42:14 AM
Looks like you missed the socket with a couple of pins. Is this the driver chip, with unused pins?
You are right. Those were used when the circuit was tested. I install the driver chip back for the photo and, apparently missed a couple of pins.
Well spotted.
~A
Quote from: ramset on April 04, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
Bad taste sir ..............
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O. requieres such tedious diligence.
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!
{Edit for spelling }
You are delusional. I am not revealing his name. It is well known. Look at the youtube link above posted by 'From other planet'. It states akula's real name in the description. Regardless, I was referring to the site where the thread had started.
As far as the circuit is concerned, it is, without a shadow of a doubt, a hoax. It will linger now for years with some claiming that they are nearly get it working. There is no magical, special coil effect there and, so far, everything I've read about this circuit points to some well known but, usually, misinterpreted effects.
Coming back for Roman himself, I am not even going to comment. Here is a translation of his post here:http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134551-akula0083-obshhaya-tema-1.html?start=1188
+++++++GOOGLE TRANSLATE+++++++
cool! there is a new thread in SRANIKE (wordplay from "srat - shit" and "strannik - wanderer, the name of the Web site") where populations can poop! : woohoo:
I bastard from the pile of branches on thier delusional pahozhih gavnomitaniya (urban - shitting)!!
the most important thing to any pabolshi REFT! bes chips lost them!! : silly:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Some words are not translated due to numerous grammatical mistakes in the original post. You get the gist of it.
~A
BTW, I have no idea what Peterae is.
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
Bad taste sir ..............
Also, it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O. seems to completely escape you.
Chet K
What is the point in shooting the messanger Mr Chet K ?
:D :D ;D ;D
Google
In this day and age we don't need messengers, If we act respectfully and in a civil way we actually get to speak with people .
I appologize but I cannot "engage" you .
have a good life.............
Chet K
Chet,
Roman made his name public.. no fault to anyone, but himself.
Quote from: avalon on April 03, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.
The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.
Here it is...
Hi Avalon, I was wondering if you can post the files for the circuit simulation in any of the two formats. I will like to learn from it. :)
Thanks,
TheStone.
Quote from: ramset on April 04, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
Bad taste sir ..............
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O. requieres such tedious diligence.
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!
{Edit for spelling }
http://www.alternate-energy.net/Dvid/view.php?video=NFZX-zUYlmM&feature=youtube_gdata_player&title=Wesley+Translate%27s+Akula%237+SCHEMATIC++Free+Energy+Device
Hoppy:
You posted your R5 waveform:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415
You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops. I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down. I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 05, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Hoppy:
You posted your R5 waveform:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415)
You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops. I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down. I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.
Thanks,
MileHigh
MileHigh,
Yes, I think you are right. The resistor I used for R5 has an inductance of 0.4uH.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 05, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down.
You're probably correct. It's still interesting to check whether the TL494 has been intentionally wired up to react to this signal.
Quote from: Thestone on April 05, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
Hi Avalon, I was wondering if you can post the files for the circuit simulation in any of the two formats. I will like to learn from it. :)
Thanks,
TheStone.
Sure. Here it is. Have fun.
~A
Quote from: avalon on April 06, 2014, 11:36:20 AM
Sure. Here it is. Have fun.
~A
Thank you Avalon, but I am getting this error...
UNRAR 3.60 beta 6 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Alexander Roshal
Extracting from /Users/TheTrueStone/Documents/Akula0083/akula30083.rar
Extracting /Users/TheTrueStone/Documents/Akula0083/akula30083.ms13 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 61% 71% 81% 91% 99%
akula30083.ms13 - CRC failed
Unexpected end of archive
Total errors: 2
Quote from: Thestone on April 06, 2014, 07:58:54 PM
Thank you Avalon, but I am getting this error...
UNRAR 3.60 beta 6 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Alexander Roshal
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
The WinRar that I've used is v4.20. I think you just need to upgrade your WinRar.
I would have published the uncompressed file but the site doesn't allow it.
Let me know if you still have problems unzipping the file. I could simply email you the uncompressed version.
~A
Quote from: avalon on April 06, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
Thestone is correct, the archive is damaged by this site's software. A already mentioned this problem
here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg395166/#msg395166).
That the archive is fine on your end is not the ultimate test, because your browser can be reading it from the local cache.
Try it on another computer and you will see it is truncated to 321568 bytes.
I have same problem
Quote from: avalon on April 06, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
The WinRar that I've used is v4.20. I think you just need to upgrade your WinRar.
I would have published the uncompressed file but the site doesn't allow it.
Let me know if you still have problems unzipping the file. I could simply email you the uncompressed version.
~A
Dear Avalon,
thanks for the response, but I have tried in two different OS, MAC and WIN, and in windows I have WinRar 5.01.... and does not open in any of them, :-\ I will send you a private message with my email, if you are so kind to send me the files I really appreciated. :)
Sincerely,
TheStone.
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 07, 2014, 06:52:16 AM
I have same problem
OK, how about this...
I have renamed the original .ms13 file into .txt.
Download it and then simply change the filename extension to '.ms13'.
I'll do it as well just to make sure....
~A
Quote from: verpies on April 07, 2014, 04:03:15 AM
Thestone is correct, the archive is damaged by this site's software. A already mentioned this problem here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg395166/#msg395166).
That the archive is fine on your end is not the ultimate test, because your browser can be reading it from the local cache.
Try it on another computer and you will see it is truncated to 321568 bytes.
That's right. I get the same error on my Linux machine. Try another compression, like .zip or even try putting the .rar into a .zip file.
Just checked... it works.
~A
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/free-energy-devices-made-in-taiwan
Any comments??
Quote from: a.king21 on April 07, 2014, 08:44:55 PM
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/free-energy-devices-made-in-taiwan
Any comments??
That looks really incredible..... not the QEG, but the cult following that they have already seemed to have generated....
Can this be TRUE??????
take care, peace.
lost_bro
Hi All;
Sorry if this is OFF topic:
Here it is , the QEG user manual....
take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: lost_bro on April 07, 2014, 09:28:04 PM
Hi All;
Sorry if this is OFF topic:
Here it is , the QEG user manual....
take care, peace
lost_bro
I been looking into this, but there is no video that shows the device running and the unplug it from the grid, it me be a very well orchestrated scam.... it does not make sense that a person with so many patents and so many etc etc, does not have money to move from one place to another... they are sooo poor that they need money to finish the motor... plus she uses God to many times... ::)
when you go to one of her site, she has donations buttons everywhere.... :-\
The plans that are circulating on the web they really dont tell you anything....
Just be carefull people, wii be my first take on this.
The Stone.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 05, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Hoppy:
You posted your R5 waveform:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415)
You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops. I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down. I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Hoppy.... why are you using "AC coupling" on your oscilloscope shot?
This removes any DC component that may be in the signal and brings the _average_ value of the signal down (or up) to the channel's zero voltage baseline level. In other words.... it removes the necessary quantitative information such as peak voltage values, average values, etc. since you _don't know_ how much the AC coupling has moved your signal up or down.
The AC vs. DC coupling feature is probably the least understood and the most error-inducing feature of oscilloscopes. AC coupling should NOT BE USED unless it is actually needed, for example to deliberately remove a large DC offset so that a small ripple can be seen.
AC coupling breaks the straight connection between the probe and the attenuator circuit in the scope, and puts a _series capacitor_ in line instead of the straight wire connection. That is all it does. Thus it removes any DC level and just allows the changing level of the signal to be displayed. This removes information from the displayed trace.
If you have a large DC offset and the signal you are interested in is just a small fluctuation in that large DC offset, then the use of AC Coupling may be appropriate. But FIRST you need to know how much your baseline is going to move when you select the AC coupling and boost the gain to see the small fluctuation. This means you normally leave the scope in DC coupling, you read where the DC offset level is, THEN you switch to AC coupling and boost the gain to see the ripple or small signal on top of the large DC offset. Then you know that the new "baseline" actually corresponds to the voltage level you read when you used DC coupled, and your "AC" is fluctuating around that "DC" level.
"AC Coupling" and "DC Coupling" really have nothing to do with whether you are measuring an "AC" or a "DC" signal. It refers to how the signal is connected to the oscilloscope: Through a capacitor, or not. You can simulate AC coupling simply by hooking a capacitor, like 0.1 uF poly film, onto the end of your probe between the DUT and the probe tip while in the "DC Coupled" setting.
The internal "AC Coupling" switch and capacitor in my old RM503:
(ETA: If your mosfets are getting hot... this means that either they are dissipating a lot of your power due to the body diode's action on reverse-voltage spikes, and/or that your mosfet is spending too much time in the "linear conductance" region (partially turned on) and so has a much higher Rdss than its normal full-on rating, so is dissipating a lot of power by Joule heating (I
2R).)
Quote from: Thestone on April 07, 2014, 11:32:53 PM
I been looking into this, but there is no video that shows the device running and the unplug it from the grid, it me be a very well orchestrated scam.... it does not make sense that a person with so many patents and so many etc etc, does not have money to move from one place to another... they are sooo poor that they need money to finish the motor... plus she uses God to many times... ::)
when you go to one of her site, she has donations buttons everywhere.... :-\
The plans that are circulating on the web they really dont tell you anything....
Just be carefull people, wii be my first take on this.
The Stone.
These people have no working prototype, and can give you no experimental data that would lead them to think they will ever achieve what they claim. They are either in collusion with Timothy Thrapp, or they themselves have been bamboozled by him. The excuses are already coming, fast and thick, and in a couple of days you will see more excuses as to why it's not running "now" but will be running "soon".... just be patient..... soon.....
Soon...
soon....
but soon never comes.
ETA: These "religiously" motivated FE claimants are the worst of the worst. Their devices never actually work like the "revelations" predict. Yet they never conclude that, perhaps..... their God just is joking around with them and doesn't really want them to succeed. Or that the "revelation" came originally from, eg, Satan, who is after all the Father of Lies, and who is getting his big jollies down there in Hell watching people like WhateverGirl and Tamothy Thripp getting fat off of other people's gullibility.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 05:03:23 AM
Hoppy.... why are you using "AC coupling" on your oscilloscope shot?
This removes any DC component that may be in the signal and brings the _average_ value of the signal down (or up) to the channel's zero voltage baseline level. In other words.... it removes the necessary quantitative information such as peak voltage values, average values, etc. since you _don't know_ how much the AC coupling has moved your signal up or down.
The AC vs. DC coupling feature is probably the least understood and the most error-inducing feature of oscilloscopes. AC coupling should NOT BE USED unless it is actually needed, for example to deliberately remove a large DC offset so that a small ripple can be seen.
(ETA: If your mosfets are getting hot... this means that either they are dissipating a lot of your power due to the body diode's action on reverse-voltage spikes, and/or that your mosfet is spending too much time in the "linear conductance" region (partially turned on) and so has a much higher Rdss than its normal full-on rating, so is dissipating a lot of power by Joule heating (I2R).)
There is a massive DC coupling which is why I deliberately AC coupled the waveform to see it clearly, which is why the menu strip is in the shot to clearly show that the signal is AC coupled. Look at the vertical scaling!
Yes, the mosfet is getting very hot partly because of insufficient gate voltage, as I was not able to raise the supply voltage above 6.8V without an excessive current draw of around 12 Amps! This circuit as it stands is performing well as a mini hand warmer. ;D
Quote from: lost_bro on April 07, 2014, 09:28:04 PM
Hi All;
Sorry if this is OFF topic:
Here it is , the QEG user manual....
take care, peace
lost_bro
Hi, thanks for the pdf, I already did check out on it and my first impression was - well, it might work with proper adjustment.
From the knowledge I have, when you make toroidal generator there was at least one case I know already when it ignored shorted circuit and did not slow down motor. Also there is coil shorting involved and that is where Ismael Aviso car is based on. And on resonance the consumption is minimal with maximum output...
So all this stuff makes sense and needs for someone to pick up and try to assemble small to medium size unit then try to get maximum performance out of it ;)
Cheers!
Quote from: Hoppy on April 08, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
There is a massive DC coupling which is why I deliberately AC coupled the waveform to see it clearly, which is why the menu strip is in the shot to clearly show that the signal is AC coupled. Look at the vertical scaling!
Yes, the mosfet is getting very hot partly because of insufficient gate voltage, as I was not able to raise the supply voltage above 6.8V without an excessive current draw of around 12 Amps! This circuit as it stands is performing well as a mini hand warmer. ;D
OK, if you are using AC coupling deliberately that's fine... but then of course your "spike" isn't really going negative at all, is it, since it's sitting on top of your "massive DC coupling" or rather component, and the reference baseline of your channel does not represent "zero voltage" or ground level at all, but rather the value of the DC component. It would be nice to know the value of this massive DC component, don't you think?
You are also using 20 mV /division which is the most sensitive setting on many scopes, so your amplitudes aren't that great compared to the DC component.
The channel's AC or DC coupling is continuously displayed on your scope, by the presence or absence of the little sine wave symbol next to the channel setting, below the trace display area.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 08, 2014, 07:56:36 AM
Hi, thanks for the pdf, I already did check out on it and my first impression was - well, it might work with proper adjustment.
From the knowledge I have, when you make toroidal generator there was at least one case I know already when it ignored shorted circuit and did not slow down motor. Also there is coil shorting involved and that is where Ismael Aviso car is based on. And on resonance the consumption is minimal with maximum output...
So all this stuff makes sense and needs for someone to pick up and try to assemble small to medium size unit then try to get maximum performance out of it ;)
Cheers!
I think the mix in in the putting... if they have so many years working on this where is a working prototype... with a HD clear video not what you find in the web, all blurred out and no measurements of input and output....
I think these people are very good in creating a marketing campaign and promise utopia for energy and offer it for free to the word but of course then they ask for donations... you see so many donations websites about this HOPE girl it is ridiculous... she most be making millions !!!! and of course she does not has anything working that she can show for....
Give hope of something to people and they will follow you... that is way the mix it with religion...
The Stone.
...
Where is this video of one "working?" The last I heard they were having it rewound because it _didn't_ work but rather shorted some windings.
OK, it has no magnets, but it has the functional equivalent, in the changing flux path provided by the rotating armature. Since one set of coils is energized by the mains, it is making a field, which is then channeled across the halves of the torus by the rotating bar. I have no doubt that high voltages can be produced in this manner, just like a magneto does.
Running itself, though? Nope, that it will never do.
...
I see... your definition of "working" is different from mine.
For this device, "working" means "working AS CLAIMED". That is, running itself with no outside power, and producing excess power to light up a load bank. Is there some problem with that definition?
They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up. Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?
Funny how all those faces are blurred out, on this OPEN SOURCE project, isn't it?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 10:12:15 AM
I see... your definition of "working" is different from mine.
For this device, "working" means "working AS CLAIMED". That is, running itself with no outside power, and producing excess power to light up a load bank. Is there some problem with that definition?
They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up. Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?
Funny how all those faces are blurred out, on this OPEN SOURCE project, isn't it?
Hehe I like your definition of "working" TinselKoala.
I wonder why they edited and deleted the other comments...
The Stone,
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 10:12:15 AM
They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up. Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?
Ditto.
~A
Quote from: Thestone on April 08, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Hehe I like your definition of "working" TinselKoala.
I wonder why they edited and deleted the other comments...
The Stone,
Argh. Now you see why I often take screenshots of posts. This time I didn't....
I found this video, I may not be the best guy to see if is all bull ... hope someone else can.
Man they will make a ton of money just selling the parts for this machine.... very clever!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ#t=229
Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
Dear All.
I do feel we a moving very slightly off topic here !! :)
Perhaps these videos will re kindle the fire ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs
Cheers Grum.
Addendum. It seems scratchbot beat me to it !! :)
Quote from: Grumage on April 09, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
Dear All.
I do feel we a moving very slightly off topic here !! :)
Perhaps these videos will re kindle the fire ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
Cheers Grum.
Addendum. It seems scratchbot beat me to it !! :)
And here is my personal view in analogy of Akula version 60W LED bulb, it employs coil shorting in specific way to have BEMF mixed with momentary strong magnetic field. :)
Also the please see supporting video on coil shorting concept - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8
Quote from: T-1000 on April 09, 2014, 04:39:16 PM
And here is my personal view in analogy of Akula version 60W LED bulb, it employs coil shorting in specific way to have BEMF mixed with momentary strong magnetic field. :)
Also the please see supporting video on coil shorting concept - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8)
hi T-1000,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
I feel the recent 3volt free energy led experiment got to do with 2 things.
2 Oscillator running at different frequency.
The faster osc is on the left side and the slower osc is on the right side with the green led from base of transistor to ground.
There is some kind of interaction between faster osc ic and the slower osc so that it trigger at the right point of waveform.
Do observe there is counter poise(large copper track at the bottom of coil) which also play a key role.
I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw
I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.
Even 555 i/c needs 4.5volts.Unless it's 8 pin 7555(cmos version) maybe it can go as low as 3volts.Sorry i'm just guessing at this point.
Quote from: magpwr on April 09, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
I feel the recent 3volt free energy led experiment got to do with 2 things.
2 Oscillator running at different frequency.
The faster osc is on the left side and the slower osc is on the right side with the green led from base of transistor to ground.
There is some kind of interaction between faster osc ic and the slower osc so that it trigger at the right point of waveform.
Do observe there is counter poise(large copper track at the bottom of coil) which also play a key role.
I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.
Even 555 i/c needs 4.5volts.Unless it's 8 pin 7555(cmos version) maybe it can go as low as 3volts.Sorry i'm just guessing at this point.
Well, in the circuit I related it is 8 pin 555 timer, like in example - http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/555test.gif just with different operating frequency setup.
The generator chip is not very important as long as it can fit in flip/flop circuit with controlling feedback from load and can have regulated timing of coil shorting transistor so various timing tests can be done. Also the coil shorting approach is very interesting part and when it is used on sine wave peaks like in http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/images/CorumDesign.gif there is voltage amplification happening with current not being affected...
QuoteI do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
The 64-bit microprocessor in your computer runs at 3.3 volts or less. Lower voltage means less overall dissipated power and lower voltage swings requiring less energy to change logic level. The lower power and lower voltage levels for the logic allow CPUs and other chips to run at faster speeds.
This has nothing to do with the Akula device. It's just to answer your question.
I'm playing with an Attiny85 (http://www.atmel.com/devices/attiny85.aspx?tab=parameters), operating voltage 1.8 to 5.5v :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjq_KI80gE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjq_KI80gE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXTe-Ga5DG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXTe-Ga5DG8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLrYruWoBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLrYruWoBs)
Cheap, very easy to program with the Arduino software (http://www.arduino.cc/), jnaudin is also experimenting with (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE26en.htm)a cpu on a Bedini motor.
With a small battery (https://content.solarbotics.com/products/photos/0571622f4f316ec5a486cd07e4ac3d27/lrg/battc1224_-_img_7225.jpg) hidden somewhere like in the coil, an Attiny, LED, and some other fake components it would be very easy to replicate a device like in the Delamorto video's i posted earlier :(
Quote from: magpwr on April 09, 2014, 06:39:22 PM
I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.
There are plenty of Integrated Circuits that can be supplied with 3V.
The 14-pin DIP IC shown in
this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) is a Hex Inverter
к561лн2 (http://electro-tehnyk.narod.ru/docs/Datasheet/K561LN2.pdf) that functions with supply voltages from 3V to 18V.
Quote from: verpies on April 09, 2014, 07:47:56 PM
There are plenty of Integrated Circuits that can be supplied with 3V.
The 14-pin DIP IC shown in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) is a Hex Inverter к561лн2 (http://electro-tehnyk.narod.ru/docs/Datasheet/K561LN2.pdf) that functions with supply voltages from 3V to 18V.
hi HG8AD,
Now you got my attention with the interesting circuit diagram. :)
In the video there was 2 Led which was not lit but after one led is removed and bypassed only then the circuit started functioning without "input power".
This revealed that bemf was not high enough to power 2 white leds in series.
There is a "kill switch" / "Kill oscillation Switch" instead of typical on/off battery power switch which makes it even more interesting. :)
The hex inverter seems to be right to trigger at right point of waveform.
This makes more sense than the Akula 30watt self running generator which i was not interested.Tuning stage is even more painful since it's like hard coded with the core related to the timing/trigger timming. ;)
I do recommend ppl to try this circuit instead ,for those with "oscilloscope". But i feel the hex inverter isn't completed there is no delay involved after waveform for trigger.But instead using a cap.
I think i have seen a suitable circuit somewhere internet something about delayed trigger upon receiving a waveform\signal.
I'm involved with Don smith device if successful at later stage which include self loop/step down stage, i doubt i will jump for another "FE" project especially low power ones.
Maybe this schematic is of this divice? http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3109/dela3.jpg
Quote from: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 05:32:22 AM
There is a "kill switch" / "Kill oscillation Switch" instead of typical on/off battery power switch which makes it even more interesting. :)
The hex inverter seems to be right to trigger at right point of waveform.
This makes more sense than the Akula 30watt self running generator
This schematic makes less sense because:
1) The Stop switch just shorts the 1000µF supply line capacitor. Bad for the switch without current limiting.
2) The MOSFET shorts the supply line capacitor through a 100Ω resistor and does not affect the current in the transformer windings almost at all nor the feedback pin 5 of the MC34063.
3) The 300µH feedback winding is connected with a 10µF cap across the supply line
bidirectionally.
4) Five inverters are configured as independent LED blinkies that can influence the rest of the circuit only through the supply line (pin 14)
This schematic does not appear to depict the circuit from
this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) which has only one LED blinkie and 2 pots.
Quote from: verpies on April 10, 2014, 07:22:42 AM
This schematic makes less sense because:
1) The Stop switch just shorts the 1000µF supply line capacitor. Bad for the switch without current limiting.
2) The MOSFET shorts the supply line capacitor through a 100Ω resistor and does not affect the current in the transformer windings almost at all nor the feedback pin 5 of the MC34063.
3) The 300µH feedback winding is connected with a 10µF cap across the supply line bidirectionally.
4) Five inverters are configured as independent LED blinkies that can influence the rest of the circuit only through the supply line (pin 14)
This schematic does not appear to depict the circuit from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) which has only one LED blinkie and 2 pots.
hi verpies,Grumage,T-1000,
You are right.All the posted circuit diagram is "Not Valid" only the I/C number is correct which is useful for me to start. :)
I will reply you the right connection for CD4069 shortly after 20minutes "work". :D
This is just half the "section" for now which is not complete for i have not check the other 8 pin I/C yet.
Nvm i just realized i can't attach file in PM.
Base on video 2 at 1:08min as attached.
I think i'm gonna offend the creator of the circuit.Better save video.Since i can't attach file in PM
Quote from: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 08:18:17 AM
Base on video 2 at 1:08min as attached.
You made a mistake. Pins 2 & 3 are not connected directly to the cap. They are connected directly only to the pot.
Quote from: verpies on April 10, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
You made a mistake. Pins 2 & 3 are not connected directly to the cap. They are connected directly only to the pot.
hi verpies,
I have amended the drawing.
4069 pin 2&3 is connected together.
Looks like this slow oscillator is running and acting as trigger on it's own without any feedback from main oscillator.
There is some possibility the frequency may drift over time maybe due to component aging or temperature variation. :)
The creator of the circuit might have been lucky to get it right.
Quote from: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
Looks like this slow oscillator is running and acting as trigger on it's own without any feedback from main oscillator.
There is some possibility the frequency may drift over time maybe due to component aging or temperature variation. :)
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating. They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)
I can't believe, only one coil on that transformer?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5OqqyuKljE
Quote from: verpies on April 10, 2014, 11:25:39 AM
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating. They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)
Maybe it is. ;)
Actually an "unused" CMOS input can be configured to pick up the electric field from, eg, a HV secondary coil, and then the output of the gate can be used in a feedback circuit to make the whole affair seek its natural resonant frequency. I don't know if that's what is happening here, but it's a technique used by SSTC builders.
For example:
Quote from: conico on April 10, 2014, 12:36:03 PM
I can't believe, only one coil on that transformer?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
I think that not one.
which is the secondary coil?
do not tell me, that screw in the middle of the transformer is the secondary coil !?
Quote from: conico on April 10, 2014, 02:41:22 PM
which is the secondary coil?
do not tell me, that screw in the middle of the transformer is the secondary coil !?
Here elemated wires is 4 seems going from that transformer or maybe more. look at 2:40. In right side is two small holes sims, were going two seems elemanated wires. In other side is same... [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)[/size]
MenofFather is correct about two enameled wires in one white fiberglass sheathing.
Looking at this NB ENF circuit ist what is happening is the MC34063 switches on andthe 1000uf is charged on a sort of linear slope the cd 4069 works as a timer for the energy to light the LED when the fly back time is exusted the mos fet turns on and dumps any exess energy and it starts again, you can see this going on in the guys scope trace, the nergy is switched between the caps and the core. Thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it. But dont blame me if i'm wrong ok.
Quote from: verpies on April 10, 2014, 11:25:39 AM
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating. They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)
hi verpies,
There are
2 copper wires(thick&thin) going into the coil from the right side of circuit where there is transistor.
The transistor is connected to the thicker wire.
I will need to double check if the thin wire is connected to pin 1 or pin 7 of the 8 pin I/C.
It's was late last night i can't continue ......
I will post more updates later today once i'm back from work,need to leave home soon.Thanks goodness it's Friday....
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
Actually an "unused" CMOS input can be configured to pick up the electric field from, eg, a HV secondary coil, and then the output of the gate can be used in a feedback circuit to make the whole affair seek its natural resonant frequency. I don't know if that's what is happening here,
It is not, because outputs of those inverters (pins 8, 10, 12) are not used.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
...but it's a technique used by SSTC builders.
That's a neat application of HiZ inputs.
For a while now, I was musing about using this method in a rationometric configuration, where one E-field sensor is positioned in the middle of the long HV secondary coil of a SSTC and another is positioned at the end of it.
The ratio between their signals would be maximized when a perfect standing wave is formed in the long HV secondary coil of a SSTC.
This would have the advantage of being more immune to noise as this rationometric E-sensor pair is not sensitive to common mode noise.
To protect the receiver/control circuitry from HV hazard of close proximity to the secondary coil, I was thinking about implementing these localized E-field sensors as neon bulbs attached to ends of a optical fiber (potted in black epoxy of course) since neon bulbs do not require a power supply (unlike CMOS ICs).
Do you think neon bulbs would make localized E-sensors that are fast enough to generate pulse-by-pulse feedback signals?
I was thinking of the Akula diagram that has the 5 "no input" gates and their LEDs outlined in blue.
The NE-2 idea is pretty neat. I don't know if the NE2 plasma glow is fast enough to produce discrete "flashes" at, say, 1 MHz or whatever high speed is necessary for a pulse-by-pulse feedback system, but I can probably find out. Certainly they do light up in response to 4MHz or greater but I don't know if they go "dark" between those fast pulses! They probably do, though.
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 09, 2014, 07:49:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
Looks to me in the last video he is jumpstarting the device by holding some iron or magnet near hex inverter, also in second video he is playing with something near device, looks like a bold?.
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 11, 2014, 01:54:31 AM
Looks to me in the last video he is jumpstarting the device by holding some iron or magnet near hex inverter, also in second video he is playing with something near device, looks like a bold?.
In his divice no magnets.
Variations in similar schemes !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWCWhMteeE
hi verpies,
I have reverse engineered the pulsed flasher at pin 8 IC Section MC14063.
Please assist to verify and update the previously attached circuit.Thanks.
Please take note i have made a small mistake the trim Pot with 103 marking is actually 10K Ohms instead of 1K Ohms.There are 2 "103" pots in circuit.
The only thing i do not know
1)the tiny capacitor value found on pin3 & pin 4 of MC34063.I assume it's 510pf base on other replicate diagram.
2)There are just 4 wiring to ferrite pot core which i do not know from left side of ferrite pot is connected to which one on the right side of circuit.
At this moment i simply assume after diode which is connected to (+)1000uf 10volt from pin1(MC14063) will eventually lead to transistor collector at the other side of circuit.
This makes the most sense for me.
3)Resistor value between pin 7 & pin 8 can be faintly seen as 2 red which i assume is 220 ohms.The other replicate shown as 180 ohms.
4)Resistor beside 10k ohms pot near 8 pin IC looks like 1.2KOhms brown,red,red,gold.
Only those with "oscilloscope" would able to see if the trigger is happening at which position of waveform."This is important".
5)I did not put the kill push button which is not important as short circuiting the caps would cease oscillation if this device works as "FE" device. :D
6)Latest update -I can't tell if the pin 4 of MC34063 is indeed connected to ground(-).Base on datasheet it's conected to ground.
Pin 6 (MC34063) is where + 3volt power needs to be applied during testing stage/before self run.
The CD4069 trigger frequency should follow with the oscillation frequency of MC34063 since i don't know the tiny cap value used.
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I will have a go at this circuit once i received the ferrite pot and 8 pin ic. ;)
Not forgetting the counter poise beneath ferrite pot which is the large copper track which is also the (-)
I'm sure now the creator of this device would be mad at me. :D :D :D :D :D :'(
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For those whom just read my recent posting with verpies-
This is the video which i have reverse engineered circuit merely by looking at youtube video.Less than 1 watt free energy device.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
@magpwr
Nice work! 8) You should start a new thread for this project. I will follow.
Quote from: magpwr on April 12, 2014, 09:18:58 AM
I have reverse engineered the pulsed flasher at pin 8 IC Section MC34063.
Please assist to verify and update the previously attached circuit.Thanks.
Is this what you had in mind?
Quote from: verpies on April 12, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
Is this what you had in mind?
hi verpies,
I have just edited circuit diagram as attached which i didn't spot earlier.I hold no secrets there are only 2 possibilities related to the connection from the pot core at the left side as side which the copper wire from pot core can be easily swapped on circuit board.
The circuit diagram attached is one of the possibilities.
The other possible way is we just need to swap copper wire as shown in my drawing.
If you take a look at the attached top side photo.It also looks like transistor collector to ferrite pot core then to pin1 before diode base on 2nd possible connection.
I have also attached my edited drawing on where the copper wire needs to be swapped base on 2nd possibilities.
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This is just my personnel opinion only base on the attached circuit diagram the value of
R3 100 ohm resistor leading to the green led should be replaced with a higher value anywhere
around 560 ohms.Since i don't want to steal too much "signal power" meant for the base of the transistor and maintain a dimly lit green light which merely serve as indicator purpose only.
Some experimenting is required to find out which is a suitable NPN transistor for the job which shouldn't be a big problem at all.
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This is the latest update minutes after posting.I have attached
mini video to show my existing IC HCF4069UBE blinking happily on Li-ion battery 3.4volts which i am using 330 ohms to led.
The capacitor value for
4069 in your circuit diagram needs to be lowered from 10uf to
4.7uf to get the
green led blink rate quite similar to the youtube video.
I'm guessing the resistor to drive transistor may or may not need to be lowered from 100 ohms but not confirmed at this moment since i'm waiting for component MC34063 to arrive. ;)
The current drawn at this testing stage with green led is around <1mA
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For everyone else,
This experiment is only suitable for those with oscilloscope to view 2 signals generated by 2 IC else it would be a failure if signal is not in sync.
I don't make promises if this circuit will work as intended since this circuit isn't mine. :D
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 12, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
@magpwr
Nice work! 8) You should start a new thread for this project. I will follow.
This divice based on not akula 30 W divice... Author on this divice before several months also try replicate this divice but unsucsesfuly and now he make it with small output.
It based on this schematic and divice http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92 (http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92)
http://eurosamodelki.ru/katalog-samodelok/alternativnaja-energetika/generator-energii-na-nelineinoi-induktivnosti (http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92)
Aouthors is two defferent guys.
Princip can be like that of this divice http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1766/uzel.jpg (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1766/uzel.jpg) Транзисторы закрываються и открываються поочерёдно.
OK, I altered the values of R3 and C4 according to your recommendations.
I kept the connection to R0 (the CSR made out of the wire jumper). If you look at the circuit diagram on page 5 of this datasheet (http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MC34063A-D.PDF), you will see that it makes sense.
Here my one schreen shot.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, scheme flashlight vadim guk published on the website zaryad.com
http://zaryad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8534
Quote from: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 05:14:57 AM
Here my one schreen shot.
hi Menofather,
I am using the circuit diagram posted by verpies.
I have already tested 4069 led blinking and it's working.I have attached led blinking video once more.I am just waiting for MC34063 and around 4cm ferrite pot to arrive.
Kindly do wait for 3 weeks once parts arrive only then i can report result.
In the meantime i will just wait for any feedback if anyone got all the component available and circuit assembled.
I'm aware this isn't the right thread which i would like to end it with a working device and no further question asked once all the details are provided. :D
I doubt i will go for any other free energy "Led circuit diagram" which is not tested.
My method is reverse engineering via youtube video with no circuit diagram provided by the creator of the working device.
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In the meantime I have increase the output secondary of Don smith device to around 140volts.
I am waiting for small value capacitors around 10nf to arrive so that i can do fine tweaking at secondary capacitor.
Since my don smith secondary was wired wrongly i merely criss-cross one of the secondary output.
Need to find time to build driver stage for "1200volt IGBT" which i have received then use my 220volts inverter and rectify to around 400volts with around 300uf 400volt cap to switch primary coil.
К этой схеме Акула не имеет никакого отношения.
В первом видео показан принцип. Частота коллебаний там ниже чем задающий в 34063. Десятки герц против десятков килогерц.
Резонанс ловиться изменением напряжения- резистором.
This scheme Shark irrelevant.
The first video shows the principle. Oscillation frequency are lower than set in 34063. Dozens hertz against tens of kilohertz.
Resonance caught changing the voltage-resistor.
Right draw values?
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
Quote from: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 08:21:18 AM
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
"does not work on other transistors, took original one from computer fan"
Do you have it self running..? :)
Quote from: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 08:21:18 AM
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
Должно работать, так не может быть, что все не подходят, нужно только, например, может очень чувствительный найти, с высоким коэфициентом усиления. И сколько витков и в какую сторону намотаны катушки?
Quote from: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
Должно работать, так не может быть, что все не подходят, нужно только, например, может очень чувствительный найти, с высоким коэфициентом усиления. И сколько витков и в какую сторону намотаны катушки?
я перебрал много разных, подошел именно указанный на схеме.
По поводу намотки первички ничего не скажу, Я не уверен что это единственный и верный вариант, мощность полученная с ней очень маленькая, поэтому выложено все для поиска альтернативы.....если конечно кто то захочет повторить.
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Quote from: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Seems you got parametric resonance and also due 2 clashing frequencies involved - there is something similar happening like in TPU version few years ago http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Exp%E9riences/Em/Ronotte%20-%20TPU.pdf
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Quote from: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
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То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Чтоб его увеличить, либо лицендратом или толще проводом наматать, как обычно, либо конденсатор подцепить к той катушке, например, 0,01 микрофарад, паралельно, но частота понизиться. А какая у тебя частота одного генератора и второго? (так как я вижу тут два генератора, хоть один как инвертер, но что-то мне он очень похож на генератор и он имеет свою частоту, наверное.)
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic! Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.
For those not in Russia the K561LH2 IC is equivalent to CD4069
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1 (http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1)
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic! Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.
For those not in Russia the K561LH2 IC is equivalent to CD4069
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1 (http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1)
Only к561лн2 work from 3 to 15 volts and CD4069 works from 5 to 20 volts?
Quote from: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 02:30:59 PM
Only к561лн2 work from 3 to 15 volts and CD4069 works from 5 to 20 volts?
It is 3 to 15v
http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/13231.pdf (http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/13231.pdf)
I tested the 4069 on 3v and it works fine,
http://youtu.be/-uPwwTgamng (http://youtu.be/-uPwwTgamng)
Quote from: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
я перебрал много разных, подошел именно указанный на схеме.
По поводу намотки первички ничего не скажу, Я не уверен что это единственный и верный вариант, мощность полученная с ней очень маленькая, поэтому выложено все для поиска альтернативы.....если конечно кто то захочет повторить.
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 13, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.
That would be great.. I see both 1:2 and 1:3 ratio in the schematics. More info on the transformer would be helpful.
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic! Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.
Do tell us about these errors.
For example: The white LED has a 1k resistor in series with it.
What else besides component values?
I have changed W2-pin6 connection, added R5 and corrected the component values according to semenihin-77 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/semenihin-77.28544/)'s diagram.
Except for the switch, now these diagrams should be electronically identical ...despite different layout.
Quote from: verpies on April 13, 2014, 05:56:12 PM
Do tell us about these errors.
For example: The white LED has a 1k resistor in series with it.
What else besides component values?
W2 shouldn't be connected to pin 14, should be pin 6 of 34063
Edit: I see you already fixed.
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 13, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.
Пожалуйста, также скажите мне больше о обмотками и сердечником.
Sorry for off topic, but the powers that be have staged a protest to the kapanadze thread, cause to much information.
Hey Verpies, am I reading this circuit right, you know I suck at circuits.. Is this area for output to Primary, and also what do you think of it? Anyone??
I think the second one is the same, just different.. I think..
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1? Maybe someone can translate?
Quote from: elementSix on April 13, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Sorry for off topic, but the powers that be have staged a protest to the kapanadze thread, cause to much information.
No worries.. this thread has been off topic for a long while. :)
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1? Maybe someone can translate?
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Ferrite pot core OB30 M1500. 3 coils 50 turns each using 0.35mm insulated magnetic wire. The induction is 3x716 uH. Standard 2 sections coil holder. One section is used by the bifiler coil (L1 & L2) and the other section is for the L3. Naturally, an air gap of 0.5mm is required (according to the theory).
In accordance with the AN920 document Figure 18 (http://onsemi.com), the induction should be 115uH. I have achieved the same result by using 20 turns of 0.35 wire. Thus 3x115uH (L1,L2,L3)
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Thank you!
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1? Maybe someone can translate?
Yes, all coils have same number of turns.
In this circuit 510 is nanofarads or picofards?
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/
Looks like this is the same device also powering 2 bright LED's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk)
Discription from semenihin-77 posted last year (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg374491/#msg374491):
Who can correctly translate into English , do it! :)
Those who do not want to spark, those who look for sverhedenitsu simple , for those who want a simple and intuitive device is the invention Andrei Melnichenko , who is also I think the author of the roller. Circuit analysis was conducted on Realstranike , many experiences delivered by me . Now I can show the scheme and the principle which underlies the work. Work still in progress , you can continue with them . Element base simple.
And so how this LED flashlight.
The circuit consists of DC boost converter , which converts the primary power supply 3 to 4 volts at 6-7 to power two LED base circuit patent Melnichenko - transgenerator . This is based on the split core is magnetized by means OEDS . Who are interested can read his many patents and video.
DC converter makes two right - of -first converts and increases the voltage to power LEDs, and magnetizes detached armored core , due to this energy is produced , which is removed from the core and the armor is used to power the circuit . Since this energy to properly dispose of used chip logic , it is an active load for the free energy , this energy output is regulated by a very simple and ingenious is LEDs , coarse and fine adjustment by changing their blink rate achieve the desired load . Is there another fuse circuit in the form of the FET , which is connected to the inverted output k561LN2 as soon as the voltage reaches 5 volts, it closes the power through a resistor , preventing thereby greatly change the input voltage to the regulator . I enclose a diagram and a video that shows what is happening in an armored core , remind him winding sections, the first winding needed for DC converter , the second for feeding the entire device.
http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Andrei_Melnichenko_Inventions.pdf (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Andrei_Melnichenko_Inventions.pdf)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 04:37:25 AM
In this circuit 510 is nanofarads or picofards?
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/ (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/)
Hi MenoFather,
Similar to value in MC34063 datasheet it's 510pf.
The objective is to syn 2 signal from 2 I/C together to get it right.
The video 1 of the device which i am interested in somewhat reveal how the waveform should look like else failure would be the result.
Stick with this circuit provided by the circuit creator and just ignore all the rest of the unknown/non validated schematics provided by others.Since they don't know if that unknown circuit provided by their findings works in the first place. :D
My mind is simple if you can get <1watt free energy device working then we would eventually know how to scale up to a higher power output to share with the world.Akula name will slowly fade away from our minds in the near future although he gave us inspiration indirectly."This is what anyone whom hate free energy need to fear"
At point please save valid circuit diagrams ,start experimenting(For those with oscilloscope) and replicate.
Good Luck as anything unexpected can happen from here.
Я по ошибке купил hcf4049ube, продавсу сказал CD4049, но он мне дал такую и у неё 8 ножек, она не подойдёт?
HCF4049UBE is not good for this project?
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 14, 2014, 05:01:44 AM
Looks like this is the same device also powering 2 bright LED's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk)
Similar.
This circuit has 4 LEDs, the hex inverter is fully utilized and the MOSFET is doing almost nothing.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 07:24:35 AM
Я по ошибке купил hcf4049ube, продавсу сказал CD4049, но он мне дал такую и у неё 8 ножек, она не подойдёт?
HCF4049UBE is not good for this project?
hi menofather,
I am merely using whatever I/C i have available
HCF4069 or CD4069 or even MM74C04
should produce similar results.
My led blinking test was using existing available IC
HCF4069 http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C04.pdf (http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C04.pdf)
I reconect conections and made on HCF4069. And can change frenquency from about 1 herc to about 200 or maybe more. I see on oscilioscope and see wery short impulses let say of 4 herc. And divice vibrating on that frenquency. I not understant that do 34063? That it frenquency? I use one and other coil same lenght and not get selfrunning, LED green also blinking of 1-200 herc, that I ajust.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 09:33:21 AM
I reconect conections and made on HCF4069. And can change frenquency from about 1 herc to about 200 or maybe more. I see on oscilioscope and see wery short impulses let say of 4 herc. And divice vibrating on that frenquency. I not understant that do 34063? That it frenquency? I use one and other coil same lenght and not get selfrunning, LED green also blinking of 1-200 herc, that I ajust.
hi MenoFather,
For the time being i'm not able to advise anything since i did not received required components to start assembly in order to advise others.This is my first time working with MC30463. ???
If anyone have completed assembly please advise outcome once it is calibrated using oscilloscope.
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.
You forgot the stop switch ;)
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.
It won't work.
Incidentally, there is a list of known fakes here:
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/
It includes the circuit you are trying to replicate.
BTW, according to this: realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162073
the blinking LEDs circuit has been confirmed a fake as well. The trick was simple. One of the capacitors is, in fact, an EDLC device (Electric double-layer capacitor). Once you jump-start the circuit it will work for several minutes.
I am going to make one as a practical joke. I'll post a video of the 'working device' as soon as I can.
~A
Please continue all 3v OU Flashlight discussion here:
http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg397848/
This thread is for the topic of the Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Thank you.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.
Labas :)
Delamorto did have black USSR hard ferrite which also remains magnetized after coils are off. After some discussion with him the core may appear to be made from same material as old Russian TV yoke (that's hint where to look for transformer).
My advice, you might first try to replicate 1:1 transformer first before going wild with all different designs. ;)
Quote from: avalon on April 14, 2014, 03:07:44 PM
It won't work.
Incidentally, there is a list of known fakes here:
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/ (http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/)
It includes the circuit you are trying to replicate.
BTW, according to this: realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162073
the blinking LEDs circuit has been confirmed a fake as well. The trick was simple. One of the capacitors is, in fact, an EDLC device (Electric double-layer capacitor). Once you jump-start the circuit it will work for several minutes.
I am going to make one as a practical joke. I'll post a video of the 'working device' as soon as I can.
~A
hi avalon,
Whose legs are you are trying to pull. :D :D :D
Remember i reverse engineer from youtube video and not base on any circuit diagram provided by anyone.
The capacitors value as found on capacitor is 1000uf 10v and 470uf 16volt. :D :D :D
I would have known first hand if it's fake before i even start reverse engineering directly from youtube video. :D :D :D
Let follow the newly created topic.I admit it was a nice try from you to distract others without any validation made by you first hand. :D
Quote from: T-1000 on April 14, 2014, 05:10:15 PM
Labas :)
Delamorto did have black USSR hard ferrite which also remains magnetized after coils are off. After some discussion with him the core may appear to be made from same material as old Russian TV yoke (that's hint where to look for transformer).
My advice, you might first try to replicate 1:1 transformer first before going wild with all different designs. ;)
I not have that core. I bealive that core here is not important. Because Delamorto first also can not make this divici selfrunning with correct core. Это как говориться, генератор на нелинейной индуктивности ,тут нелинейная индуктивность смысл делает ,а не сердечник, так упрощённо говоря. :)
Quote from: elementSix on April 13, 2014, 09:05:09 PM
Hey Verpies, am I reading this circuit right, you know I suck at circuits.. Is this area for output to Primary, and also what do you think of it?
I think it's a coil of a relay.
Hi guys :)
Akula showed more details as per my request - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkjdsQ9vug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkjdsQ9vug)
In first part he showed effect what happens when Tesla coil effect is applied perpendicularly to normal windings on 90 degrees. Obviously this big toroid was not good success for first intended OU device. The ground wire is used there as well.
In second part of video the circuit board is from LEDs 1W schematics using toroid from 1st part. This is where it was OK on self running it seems...
Quote from: MenofFather on April 15, 2014, 02:51:37 AM
I not have that core. I bealive that core here is not important. Because Delamorto first also can not make this divici selfrunning with correct core. Это как говориться, генератор на нелинейной индуктивности ,тут нелинейная индуктивность смысл делает ,а не сердечник, так упрощённо говоря. :)
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
Cheers!
Quote from: T-1000 on April 16, 2014, 07:26:38 AM
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
Exactly
I will soon be showing how the output of my Mazilli circuit along with a yoke core can be improved substantially by the use of magnetite magnets added to the core. The trick to this type of tuning is finding the exact right position of the magnets, to obtain improved performance.
So, yes the cores are important, but their normal output can also be improved to possibly be more similar to the special Russian type of yokes as well as other types of cores.
Although I find that the louder the devices rings, the higher the output power it has. But, depending on core tuning, at times the output can also be high, without any audible ringing.
I know that this may have little to do with the circuit that you are working on, but I thought that this information may also help here. Give it a try, as costs very little to do this experiment.
I will upload a video showing this in a day or two. I am a bit busy right now with Easter Holidays, and all.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 16, 2014, 07:26:38 AM
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
Cheers!
Ok, why then other use needed cores and not get selfrunning? Kodėl tada kiti naudoja reikiamas šerdis ir vistiek negauna, kad save maitintų generatorius? Matyt, todėl, kad čia ne šerdis yra esmė. O energija gali būti gaunama iš supančios aplinkos, yra šaldoma aplinka ir gaunama energija, bet šaldama ne įprastu šalčiu, o kitu būdu. :D
I agree that the tuning of this device and all using this principle is a manipulation of the bloch wall. Nice to see it so clearly in Wesley's translation. By using this principle a small deviation of the wall magnifies the overall electrical energy. In essence this is showing proof that energy is not dependent on electron movement, it is magnetics movement that matters.
Alignment of fields allows one movement of bloch wall to directly magnify in effect of the electrical energy (Excite). Not what we are taught about electrical energy in science back at DeVry. This is knowledge that is finally correct and this we can surely build on.
Feedback that enhances the movement of the bloch wall will cause runaway energy to build (self run and beyond).
Reminds me of using leverage to gain mechanical advantage. Looks like all matter micro and macro works the same. Magnetics is where the magic happens. It turns out that it is science and not magic after all. Just science not understood fully or applied correctly until we learn how.
quote from T-1000:
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
end quote.
IF we are NOT talking about NMR, but of an additional natural and safe energy effect caused by the Aether, some of you may be looking in the wrong place. Unless you like poisonous mostly unnatural man made sources due to nuclear decay to play around with, and to have around you and your families at all times.
To create energy from the nuclear decay and dissolution of matter, is not the only way to go towards our goal of free energy devices. Nor will these types of devices possibly ever be legal, safe, nor allowed.
Tesla mentioned that All nuclear or radioactive forces or effects are caused by external sources to the corporal materials used. And that it is this illusive Aether that is where all energy comes from. If there was no Aether, nor the everywhere existent Vortex force, there would be nothing holding any atomic substances from dissolution back to the source where they came from.
Believe it not, that is your choice. But, the Earths magnetic resonant devices are enough for me to work on and develop. When I hear talk about NMR, well, it sort of makes me sick, sorry. And to bend Kapanadzes explanation and working ideas, as well as Akulas and other inventors thoughts of their devices to fit this end, also makes me wonder, why anyone would want to go that route.
Hi All,
This is a very interesting thread. I have been doing some work on this for sometime now.
It seems to me that many are missing the whole point here. Everyone is spending time on a Circuit that no one really knows the actual operational Characteristics of!!!
The FET that pulls down the VE- side of L1 can only have Frequency and Duty Cycle adjustments which can be done with any circuit and any chip that one desires to choose (wisely of course)
Please guys, for your own sakes, concentrate on the coils and get them right! The magic is not in the circuit, its in the efficient running of the coils when they are configured correctly.
1: Coils must be 2 separate distinct coils as was shown in the original Schematic.
2: Coils must be Wired and orientated to Buck - Cancel the Magnetic Field but Electric Field does Add. Just like Floyd Sweet said!
3: I suggest low Duty Cycle, 8% or so, at low frequency (20 - 100 Hz) just to test initially.
4: Start with low voltage on the input, slowly turn it up.
Once you're there you will see what I mean.
You will get:
1: Two Output pulses for one Input pulse.
2: Output is NOT affected by Input, Lenz's Law doesn't apply from input to output! (May need a little fine tuning to get best result)
3: A small amount of Energy is needed to keep this effect going, Power input is very small.
With some changes, to this setup it can be made to run much more efficient and the output pulses can be, shall we say, more resonant!
I have been showing these effects for years but it seems there is no one replicating these experiments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM)
Have fun guys and remember, little steps for little feet! Also, don't change anything, if you 'IMPROVE' it without understanding it, it wont work!
All the best
Chris
Quote from: NickZ on April 16, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
IF we are NOT talking about NMR, but of an additional natural and safe energy effect caused by the Aether, some of you may be looking in the wrong place. Unless you like poisonous mostly unnatural man made sources due to nuclear decay to play around with, and to have around you and your families at all times.
To create energy from the nuclear decay and dissolution of matter, is not the only way to go towards our goal of free energy devices. Nor will these types of devices possibly ever be legal, safe, nor allowed.
Tesla mentioned that All nuclear or radioactive forces or effects are caused by external sources to the corporal materials used. And that it is this illusive Aether that is where all energy comes from. If there was no Aether, nor the everywhere existent Vortex force, there would be nothing holding any atomic substances from dissolution back to the source where they came from.
Believe it not, that is your choice. But, the Earths magnetic resonant devices are enough for me to work on and develop. When I hear talk about NMR, well, it sort of makes me sick, sorry. And to bend Kapanadzes explanation and working ideas, as well as Akulas and other inventors thoughts of their devices to fit this end, also makes me wonder, why anyone would want to go that route.
I partially agree with you, i am also not that happy with the nuclear decay thing, primarily for the reason it could mean the device will stop working after some short time and thus rendering it only a toy.
Also some here are little like real beta decay feticists ;) ;D , everything always has to be beta decay principle or it cannot work in their world. This possibly keeps them from seeing other ways to "harvest" free energy.
I never heard Tesla, Don Smith, Bedini, Sweet and many others talking of nuclear decay as a source of energy for their devices. Of course maybe they misinterpreted them or didnt tell the whole truth, who knows.
But there are indeed other forms of energy around us that we can tap into, like cosmic particles/radiation, EM waves and -fields, heat differences,etc. and perhaps in fact the so called Zero point energy or Aether vortexes/vibrations or whatever someone likes to call it.
Im not saying here, that in semenihin device there is not beta decay happening, just we cannot be sure until we crawl in the ferrite nuclei of a running machine and see it happen live :)
Re the Akula trafo speculation:
Something to put into your mental suspense account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I
(It's a short vid).
Hi All,
Re the NMR Ideas, Maybe. There may be a Quantum component to this but not sure I would say NMR even though I did investigate this. I personally think its 99% Magnetic in Nature, which is directly related to the Quantum in my opinion.
I Posted my first post here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250) Here I have shown the Coils as I have them working. There are a few Characteristics that once you see them you will know you have something very special. I detail some of the Characteristics in the above post.
In my opinion, the best way to describe this 'MAGICAL' effect is in the paper by Paul Raymond Jensen: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device) is where I have published the copied paper.
The quote: "An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields." is in my opinion the best description of what is going on from what I have seen.
If you take 1 hour out of your day and replicate what I have shown then you will likely also find the Paul Raymond Jensen paper just as important as I have.
See here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)
All the best
Chris
Quote from: a.king21 on April 16, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Re the Akula trafo speculation:
Something to put into your mental suspense account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I)
(It's a short vid).
A.king21:
I watched the clip. I am not sure what you mean by "mental suspense." Are you implying that something unusual is happening in that clip?
MileHigh
EMjunky.
Since you as a newbie here think that we are all missing the WHOLE POINT... Why not show us how wrong we are by demonstrating YOUR self running device? A self runner, disconnected and separate from any external power source. That is what is being discussed here.
Quote from: NickZ on April 17, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
EMjunky.
Since you as a newbie here think that we are all missing the WHOLE POINT... Why not show us how wrong we are by demonstrating YOUR self running device? A self runner, disconnected and separate from any external power source. That is what is being discussed here.
I guess that means NickZ is out?
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 17, 2014, 12:54:45 AM
Hi All,
Re the NMR Ideas, Maybe. There may be a Quantum component to this but not sure I would say NMR even though I did investigate this. I personally think its 99% Magnetic in Nature, which is directly related to the Quantum in my opinion.
I Posted my first post here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250) Here I have shown the Coils as I have them working. There are a few Characteristics that once you see them you will know you have something very special. I detail some of the Characteristics in the above post.
In my opinion, the best way to describe this 'MAGICAL' effect is in the paper by Paul Raymond Jensen: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device) is where I have published the copied paper.
The quote: "An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields." is in my opinion the best description of what is going on from what I have seen.
If you take 1 hour out of your day and replicate what I have shown then you will likely also find the Paul Raymond Jensen paper just as important as I have.
See here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)
All the best
Chris
Hey Chris welcome to the forum
Your site is very interesting and have been watching your work for awhile.
Are you willing to share your circuit, I agree its in the coil arrangement but the pulsing circuit is important as well.
I made a small change to the gif
Added the pos and neg polarity's to the coils
http://makeagif.com/i/ySzksZ
Hi All,
I found the following video today. It worth a look.
Vadik Guk - Video 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
Looks fairly simple to try! I may try this also!
All the best
Chris
P.S: @Dave45, thanks, if what I have learned can help others then more than happy to share. Of course it is, Frequency and Duty Cycle can make a huge difference on the effects of the Coils! I agree. I am only human and do make mistakes! What I have seen is only from experience. Its a very interesting effect and needs more work on it to either explain it and use it or so it can be put by the way side and discarded as not of use.
I don't normally use forums, too many trolls, Government paid or unpaid. Hahaha
If I can help then I do want to share my 2 cents worth.
The Coils are the Key and the above video if its not a hoax, is a pearl!
Too much power and a coil turns into a transmitter, a simple flashlight proves this, resonance, coil arrangement, and just the right amount of power.
Hi All,
I think Vadik Guk is the real deal.
Videos:
1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
Video 4 being the most important video of all. The other three videos do show a working device that would be very hard to fake. This appears to be the Distributed Capacitance effects that have shown promise in the past.
The description of the coil layout From the outside to inside as I see it:
1: Insulation.
2: Coil the length of the bobbin, maybe 0.8mm wire maybe 40 turns, one end connected to the board the other end not connected to anything.
3: Insulation.
4: Solid Copper Shield, second leg was connected to the board, soldered onto the end of the Solid Copper Shield. Not shorted.
5: Coil the length of the bobbin, maybe 200 turns 0.45 or so wire. Outer end not connected to anything, Inside end soldered to another Solid Copper Shield on the inside of the Bobbin.
6: Solid Copper Shield, not shorted.
Where:
Solid Copper Shield - Could be viewed as a Capacitor Plate. Capacitor Plate's don't appear to overlap. Very close gap, maybe 4mm from the ends on the inside plate.
All the best
Chris
Hi,
There is new video from akula (obviously it was attempted to delete very quickly, so no original link) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMcs6iBJwY
The control circuit in the left is creating main transformer driving frequency and resonant frequency to the secondary primary.
The box in the right is impulse power supply (unless it was modified).
To me it is almost same what we did in Lithuanian Yoke experiment, just we did not self loop on the time.
Good luck!
Thanks for videolink, indeed very interesting.
question to the russian speaking guys: Did akula ever say (in this video or other), if his devices are consuming their ferrite cores or coil materials?
Quote from: From other Planet on April 18, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
Thanks for videolink, indeed very interesting.
question to the russian speaking guys: Did akula ever say (in this video or other), if his devices are consuming their ferrite cores or coil materials?
He does not talk about core as fuel but he does talk about ferroresonance - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks)
And methods he use are used in NMR. Just conventional science does use brutal approach instead which consumes kilowatts for getting watts..
From Other Planet:
Akula mentioned in his first device video, which was translated by Wesley, that the "Earth Magnetic Resonance" is the factor involved with his circuit, that is where the energy is coming from. Both Kapanadze as well as Akula have mentioned this, as well as several of the other somewhat similar working circuits made by others, mostly Russians. Their ideas are derived from Tesla, not quantum physics, nor from the breakdown of matter to produce energy.
There are several in the NMR group, that don't believe that energy can come from the Aether, and think that the Aether does not exist. So, they look for what they can see, touch, or measure, instead. Or feel that it's easier to produce energy from the nuclear break down of matter, instead.
I'm not one of them...
I don't care where we obtain energy from, unless it is from a possibly very dangerous radioactive decay process.
In any case. there is no actual reproducible proof (by us), to show for it, one way or the other.
Both systems may work.
T-1000: If the old yoke circuit was working so well, then why has everyone abandoned it, have not further developed it, have not shown it lighting the 1000 watts of bulbs that it was supposed to light, or further made it into a self runner. Is everyone still afraid? Maybe they should be. But, I'm still working with the Mazilli/yoke circuit, and have not suffered from anything, at least not after several months of being next to it while testing and working to develop it.
Just think about this: All current generators work by moving magnet by coils. But, the energy they produced is not coming from the magnets, nor from the coils.
Quote from: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
T-1000: If the old yoke circuit was working so well, then why has everyone abandoned it, have not further developed it, have not shown it lighting the 1000 watts of bulbs that it was supposed to light, or further made it into a self runner. Is everyone still afraid? Maybe they should be. But, I'm still working with the Mazilli/yoke circuit, and have not suffered from anything, at least not after several months of being next to it while testing and working to to develop it.
For simple reason - hard to replicate effect. First - the core material, second - getting right same results on resonant oscillation and third - lack of understanding what needs to be achieved mostly...
For LED flash light it is way much simplified down to the level where core does not burn out in few hours and there are no strong bad emissions of neutron decay and so on. But, there is still lots of work involved for getting it right. For a proof of concept this case fits best so you can convince hardcore sceptics and some day - reach to the level where oil can be replaced with heavy metals what are non-radioactive in nature and are in radioactive state only when being struck by EM radiation and oscillating magnetic fields. So it is green fuel in other words which does not hurt planet that much and stays as middle level in transition to other energy sources research...
T-1000:
Thanks for your reply. So, the yoke project has not been reproducible, ok.
Right, no one has been able to reproduce it, although several have tried.
So, the old yoke used has broken down after a short testing period. Well it would be good to see that, as well. Just how it broke down... My yokes are still just as they always were, still producing and lighting at least 660 watt worth of bulbs. Yes, partially lighting the bulbs using only 12v, higher voltages and more current would provide from more output.
Makes me wonder though, why Akula would not continue with the improvement of the higher wattage devices, and goes to small output ones instead. Good thing that Kapanadze has not downgrade his devices as Akula has.
EMJunkey: No I'm not out, never will be out. This is my lifetime ongoing work, and I'm still learning by hands on replications. Still waiting for YOU to show us how wrong we all are, with reproducible proof.
Hi guys.
I watch Akula for a while and also messing with his yoke. I speak Russian a little bit and I do remember he was talking about importance of the rising time of the nuclear resonance in the copper. His coil was tuned such a way that rising time of the signal in the coil corresponded to he rising time of Nuclear resonance? He has said if you do not get it that way you will not succeed.
Dear All.
I must apologise for my lack of input here over the last week or so. And welcome all the newcomers who have recently posted some very interesting material. :)
I have finally managed to get the board that was kindly provided by Groundloop, populated.
Since then a number of minor mod's have been made and I can now share a couple of videos of the small problems that have been encountered so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQlOhOocso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfRb80SYAI8
I have mainly been involved with the thread I started over at OUR. http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36611#msg36611
You are very welcome to visit. :)
Cheers Grum.
Johnk1:
Yes, you are correct. That was discussed in Akula's later videos.
But, the circuit that I refer to is Akulu's first one, where he mentioned what Wesley translated as the "secret".
As being or meaning Earth magnetic resonance, at about minute 8:30, or so. Then Akula later switched to another source theme entirely in his later videos. His may have been the result of some advice from elsewhere. Though he showed no proof of any core decay or copper decay caused by NMR.
As I understand it, the circuit has to be tuned into the Earths magnetic resonant frequency, for any extra energy to work in his device. Of course this could be wrong, and it may be that every circuit will be a little different, and will resonate with the Earth frequency at a different frequency yet, to achieve this higher output. In any case it is no small detail to be overlooked.
T-1000: Akula's first circuit is not much more complicated than what Grum is currently working on now, though the coils are much larger and output is much higher on the first video.
Grum: Thanks for the videos, sorry I can't be of any help with this one. Good luck with it though.
I will gladly build that circuit also, once someone can replicate it and gets it working right.
Akula0083 Schematics and coils
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY
Replication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k
NickZ
About that tuning to he earth magnetic field resonance - That's sounds more like an SM's TPU. What is the resonant frequency of the earth's magnetic field? Or, are we talking about Schuman's resonance frequency? - in any case, there is quite wide spread of frequencies from couple Hertz up to dozens of kilo Hertz. Exremally important is here the modulation and de-modulation of the signal. But i think it is a little bit different story for different threat ;)
Back to the -Akula's fonar (torche) - Somebody here has said that the most important are coils. I would say most important is the oscillator. You can tune any coil to its sweet spot. But if your oscillator has not sharp rise and end characteristic, you will get nothing, even with the best coil you have ever made :)
Well, we have good oscillator and we can get some nice spikes on our coil and what else? How we gonna permit that energy for next loop? Capacitor? You can charge your capacitor with high voltage peak from your coil. I have done this test many times. One two short low voltage impulses and you have couple hundreds in your cup which blink 220V bulb. I was thinking to make a generator based on that principle, but because the caps they have quite slow characteristic of discharge time I would need something like 25-30 cups properly timed- possibly programmed Arduino UNO. For lighting just couple LEDs, two cups could be enough I guess? - jut my flow of thoughts ;)
Ed:
Thanks for the links to the replication. I had just watched that video, just before you posted the link. I don't understand much of it, but I can see that he does disconnect the battery, and the circuit continues to light the led. Great.
Good to see that.
John: Not only SM mentioned it but Tesla discovered it, and Kapanadze, Akula, Dr. Stiffler, have possibly made use of it, and others as well. I don't know if the Schumann resonant frequency is the same as what WE are looking to tie into, or not. That is what needs to be looked into.
Dr. Stiffler mentions a frequency that he would tune to, but it was not the same as Schuman frequency. But, it was a frequency that would produce the highest peaks on the scope. All his three coils were then tune to that particular frequency. Somewhat similar to what Akula was showing in some of his videos.
In any case the idea is to tie into an already existing Earth magnetic field vibrational frequency to resonate the circuit with. This can vary with the particular device, as well as the conditions that produce that field. It may not be a fixed steady vibration, as it can vary with atmospheric conditions.
Otherwise the conventional electronic laws will prevail, as most have found.
In my set up even the slightest frequency adjustment can cause the circuit to lose resonance. A proper feed back path is what I'm currently working on now, which to me is the most important aspect.
One link on the subject:
http://www.earthbreathing.co.uk/sr.htm
Gentlemen:
What are you talking about when you talk about the Earth's magnetic resonance and it's magnetic resonance frequency? I would like some details please. What's resonating? As I write this I am not aware of it and I have never heard anything about it except for reference to it on the forums.
So can one of you tell me exactly what you are talking about?
I just realized that NickZ linked to a UK web site that makes reference to the Schumann resonant cavity and possibly some other resonant frequency for the Earth.
Here is where I am asking you guys to think about this. For starters, forget about the Schumann resonant cavity. It is just a passive resonant cavity that envelops the Earth that will not affect any electronic circuits at all. References to the Schumann resonant cavity doing something to people or circuits are junk pseudoscience.
Let's put the Schumann resonant cavity aside and discuss any other possible resonance associated with the Earth. The next time you have occasion to discuss the "Earth's resonant frequency" with someone that is pushing this concept ask them what they really mean. Ask them what the resonant frequency is. More importantly, ask them exactly what is is resonating. Resonance needs two energy storage mechanisms and the energy is transferred back and forth between these two energy storage mechanisms. Ask them what each energy storage mechanism is and how the energy transfers back and forth.
With regards to the Earth's magnetic field. It is DC and it does not resonate. I have to assume that most of you are fully aware of that. So how can you even discuss the "Earth's magnetic resonance?"
It's important to exercise your critical thinking skills and to ask people for details. If someone makes a big claim about some effect that ties into the "Earth's magnetic resonance" then I urge you to ask them the questions I mention above. It's about making the world a more honest and a better place. We can't let ourselves drown in fake BS. It's up to all of us to try to keep it real. I hope that you understand where I am coming from.
MileHigh
MileHigh:
What is suppose to resonate with this natural magnetic field is the tuned circuit and it's coils. As the field itself is not resonating, but the device resonates to this field. Like two resonating tuned coils, or tuning forks.
Or maybe you have a better explanation of where the energy is coming from that will produce a self running device? And also where the energy is coming from when a magnet is passed by a coils.... As current science theory does not explain it, at least not to my satisfaction. Nor has our best conventional scientists discovered how to produce a self running device, nor do they believe that such a device can even exist.
Have you heard or read about Tesla and his ideas about surrounding ambient fields, and our ability to tap and harvest this resource. Do you think that I'm making all this all up... Sounds like it...
I'm not trying to convince anyone, just working towards this end. The proof is in the pudding, which can take some time to bake.
Hi All,
I have drawn a circuit of the Coil Deconstruction of the Vadik Guk Self Running Flash Light. Let me know if anyone else spots anything I have missed.
Video URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 18, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
Replication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k)
It's nice to see that the pot-core-ferrite copper-foil taped thing isn't necessary. So nobody can blame their lack of success on not having one of those silly things to mess with! The PCB with the big copper area groundplanes isn't needed either, I guess.
But colored clipleads.... every working electrical free energy device apparently needs those colored clipleads. I hate those things. I've seen Chinese ones where they didn't even strip the wire before crimping the alligator clips onto, and maybe through, the insulation. Others look nice and hefty but you find it's almost all insulation, just a tiny strand of faux-copper wire in there to make you think you have a connection.
I still think it's a fancy Joule Thief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu3neYByYp0
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Quote from: EMJunkie on April 18, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
I have drawn a circuit of the Coil Deconstruction of the Vadik Guk Self Running Flash Light. Let me know if anyone else spots anything I have missed.
More detailed analysis about construction of the transformer gutted in
this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) can be read in
this thread (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398097/#msg398097).
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 18, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
Akula0083 Schematics and coils
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY)
There are several Akula's 30W perpetual flashlight schematic diagrams in circulation:
Diagram v1.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307)
Diagram v2.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12686) Diagram v2.1 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12797)
Diagram v2.2 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136959/)
Diagram v3.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12688)The Diagram v1.0 does not match the functionally of other diagrams because in v1.0 the pulses to the the MOSFET's gate are inverted and because of this the duty cycle can vary only between 53% and 100% while the TL494 feedback loop is positive.
In all other versions gate pulses are not inverted and the duty cycle can vary between 0% and 47% while the TL494 feedback loop is negative.
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 18, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
Replication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k)
That replication was done according to diagram v2.0
v2.0 is functionally and electronically equivalent to v2.1 and v2.2 (the differences between them are only graphical).
v2.0 is also functionally equivalent to v3.0 (but not electronically).
v2.0 is functionally and electronically
different from v1.0
Hi MileHigh
I partially agree with you in the matter of involvement of Shumann's resonance in this project. This project is not a case - I think. On other hand, I wouldn't call the things of natural resonance (orgone, Schumann etc...) " junkie pseudoscience" There is many of serious inventors and scientists signed under this.
You think about that cavity as about a resonance cup. Could you accept the fact it is actually a shielding? You know- if you connect your coil to scope you can see nice 50-60 Hz. That could be kind of annoying in our low power circuit. What you think? No hash or modulation to your pure signal. Do not kill me - just a though ;)
Hi,
Here is higher quality video from akula - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY
There he showed PCB connnections and some measurements as well.
Guys, here is new Akula's comment on the device with the ferrite cup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ&list=FLPKuZ5HpxDHgqdk-z1JjKCg
He shows that the coil is self resonating around 290khz with 10V on the scope. He also recoments to use simple transistor multi-vibrator instead of k56... oscilator
Quote from: T-1000 on April 19, 2014, 05:14:14 AM
There he showed PCB connnections and some measurements as well.
But he did not show what's inside the commercial AC/DC-DC converter.
Quote from: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
MileHigh:
What is suppose to resonate with this natural magnetic field is the tuned circuit and it's coils. As the field itself is not resonating, but the device resonates to this field. Like two resonating tuned coils, or tuning forks.
Or maybe you have a better explanation of where the energy is coming from that will produce a self running device? And also where the energy is coming from when a magnet is passed by a coils.... As current science theory does not explain it, at least not to my satisfaction. Nor has our best conventional scientists discovered how to produce a self running device, nor do they believe that such a device can even exist.
Have you heard or read about Tesla and his ideas about surrounding ambient fields, and our ability to tap and harvest this resource. Do you think that I'm making all this all up... Sounds like it...
I'm not trying to convince anyone, just working towards this end. The proof is in the pudding, which can take some time to bake.
Nick you still playing with the mazzilli
Havent tried this yet but may give you some idea's
Dave45:
Yes, I'm still playing with the Mazilli/yoke circuit. Want to play?
In order to build the circuit that you posted, one would need to know what all the components, cores, and coil winding, are, which are not being shown. It does look interesting though.
Is there a working device that is representative of that build?
I have been trying something similar, but I don't have all the needed components, nor can I located them here, either.
Even Igor Moroz has not been able to obtain a self running crt, even with all those expensive caps, and all.
Not easy, but I'm not giving up. My set up is working well with solar panels/12v, LAB, although I don't have enough panels, yet. Any help and advice is always welcome. Thanks Dave.
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Hi Guys.
Just an idea. Everything starts from some basic principle. There is no magic in this device, it is not a matter of "pseudo science" as MileHigh calls some unorthodox sources of energy and I do not think it is based on NMR either.
So what we deal here with is the -self resonant circuit - one coil. This circuit has to be fed somehow, so why not to use the cap, charge it with high spike from our resonant coil and by using a triger coil to go through the oscillator back to our resonant circuit. From the Akula's video -he didn't solve the oscillator, he just used the bench one. His imput was just couple Hz. His resonant circuit was couple kHz. I do not say it is right way to go. But what if? Most of you here has much bigger experience than me (in fact i do have very little :) ) but maybe u r overlooking the simplicity? ;)
On my picture below is the basic circuit for charging cap with one fast click by Switch. In reality I use a mosfet. Now, can we ad other capacitor to the coil to make it tank circuit? Next to ad one more trigger coil and add one transistor oscillator to kick in right time our tank circuit and discharge our cap so no need battery after it starts? As I say , with 12V battery I make with couple uSec impulses over 300V and more in my cap and strongly blink 220V bulb. I believe it is possible to scale it to some small voltage too and it would work even much faster. Anyway, thank you for your comments and your overview.
Quote from: NickZ on April 19, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
Not easy, but I'm not giving up. My set up is working well with solar panels/12v, LAB, although I don't have enough panels, yet. Any help and advice is always welcome. Thanks Dave.
Good :)
Here are some thoughts about 2 Mazilli drivers:
You can try to make transformer with two primaries and one secondary. Then connect load to the secondary and run one primary of transformer's resonant frequency then the second primary in 1/4 of that frequency in opposite direction on second primary. Then observe clashing frequencies on secondary coil which should cover both primaries then reach second half of gapped core to the middle of second half(GeoFusion way for flyback+choke effect). Maybe you can find a ferrite core which will give response on clashing frequencies (and resulting standing wave which will turn magnetic domains 90 degrees to Z axis). And while doing that you will have Lenz-less induction on secondary... ;)
The resonant part should be running on minimal power consumption before connecting second primary and after this it should not increase power consumption too much.
Quote from: verpies on April 18, 2014, 09:16:35 PM
More detailed analysis about construction of the transformer gutted in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) can be read in this thread (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398097/#msg398097).
Thanks Verpies,
Have read and mulled over the info.
The first post is very good: #msg397848 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg397848/#msg397848) Nice work from 4Tesla.
One very good diagram here: #msg398173 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398173/#msg398173) This is of course Verpies post.
Also looks like the Circuit here: #msg398455 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398455/#msg398455)
Some good work there Verpies and 4Tesla!
NOTE: To be honest, this configuration does not comply with all other known configurations. EG: 5 output terminals, one copper shield and other things. Akula's Diagram is also quite different from this configuration. Its un-usual to say the least. See here for more information on what I mean: Power Generator in the Nonlinear Inductance (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance)
If this work is based on Andrey Melnichenko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M) as some said earlier on in the Russian Forums, then the original schematics, 2 or 3 Coil with one Copper Shield is what one would expect to see.
Cheers
Chris
P.S: Happy Easter all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHMKiajMZrM
Food for thought.
T-1000: I've answered you on the Dally thread, please check it.
I will continue discussion of any different types of circuits on the Dally thread. Before I'm asked to leave this thread, as well. As it looks like there are several people working hard to achieve the 30watt Akula crt. My hats off to those guys...
NickZ
First: I do not think it is out of this topic but I am not gonna argue with you.
Second : I build many interesting stuff and lighting halogen bulb 220V 120w from 24V @ 0.5A at its 40% of its brightness from ONE single coil. So your design doesn't impress me.
Third: I am busy by building SM's TPU's and that's what I do focus on right now.
Happy Ester to all.
I am outa here.
JohnK1:
Sorry to offend you. Although I was being honest, I have just retracted by previous reply.
I'm not trying to impress anybody.
Carry on,
NickZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 20, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc)
I gave up on this thread already. This new 18-minute clip shows a "magic" self-powering setup, yet again.
For starters, that looks like a 5-volt DC power supply. What the hell is the DC output of a power supply doing driving the primary of a transformer? If I am correct and we are looking at a small AC-in-DC-out switching power supply, that makes no sense.
Somewhere in the second half of the clip he measures the input to the switching power supply in "self-run" mode. If I recall correctly he measures something like 5.6 volts DC. The power supply has an input requirement of something like 96 to 250 volts AC. It doesn't make any sense.
Finally, I attached a frame from the clip. He has broken the seal on on the power supply. That would tend to indicate that he opened it up for some reason. One can only wonder why.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 05:21:05 PM
I gave up on this thread already. This new 18-minute clip shows a "magic" self-powering setup, yet again.
For starters, that looks like a 5-volt DC power supply. What the hell is the DC output of a power supply doing driving the primary of a transformer? If I am correct and we are looking at a small AC-in-DC-out switching power supply that makes no sense.
Somewhere in the second half of the clip he measures the input to the switching power supply in "self-run" mode. If I recall correctly he measures something like 5.6 volts DC. The power supply has an input requirement of something like 96 to 250 volts AC. It doesn't make any sense.
Finally, I attached a frame from the clip. He has broken the seal on on the power supply. That would tend to indicate that he opened it up for some reason. One can only wonder why.
MileHigh
Are you saying this video is a fake? Just because it violates Conservation of Miracles?
Hey, at least he's not using one of those silly pot core ferrite things.
Maybe the DC output of the power supply is just used to bias the core, and the input power to the supply is pulsed. Or something. Right.
Indeed! TK....
Meanwhile.... Google "refuses" to cough up anything on a "Mean Well AS-25-5."
Google tries to force you to look at the "Mean Well RS-25-5." (see attached)
What that normally means is that the AS-25-5 is identical to the RS-25-5. The AS-25-5 is just an "OEM" version of the RS-25-5. The reason for this is to prevent someone from buying the cheaper RS-25-5 when that part fails in their printer (as an example.) The printer manufacturer wants to force you to buy the "authorized" part from them only at a much higher price.
That's another story from the Naked Electronics City....
MileHigh
I can see nothing wrong, look at the video again, give the man a chance as you must of been distracted.
While I'm on, has any one managed to get the ever lasting torch to work, i had a look at it on some Vero card and find it almost impossible to tune the cap on pin three with the coil for resonance as the chip tries to chop the cycle and the 4069 and transistor just make the wave form jitter, with no over unity even with the copper tape between the windings. On one of the vid's the PCB has no 4069 at all but the builder does not show the top pane of the PCB to the viewer. I cant get any of the options to work.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 06:08:18 PM
Meanwhile.... Google "refuses" to cough up anything on a "Mean Well AS-25-5."
Hey MileHigh,
EBay my be a good resource for this Power Supply: Mean Well AS-25-5 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XMean+Well+AS-25-5&_nkw=Mean+Well+AS-25-5&_sacat=0&_from=R40)
Hope this helps!
Chris
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz.. Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.
The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.
Makes sense to me:) Its a simply looped device. The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%..
BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power supplies. The "magic" is only in the ferrite coil construction and coil winding detail.
Hi,
somebody know which type of diods is on mains enter on the RS-25-5 ?
they are low frequncy ? how they can keep HF from generator?
Quote from: bolt on April 20, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz.. Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.
The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.
Makes sense to me:) Its a simply looped device. The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%..
BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power supplies.
Bolt,
You are absolutely correct about the AC input and DC output connections for the power supply. I let my mind trick myself for two reasons, 1) I am so used to seeing black wire used as a mains power wire, and 2) I associated the switch with a mains power on/off switch to the power supply because you can see that the power supply does not have an on/off switch and that's what you would "normally" do for a power supply like that. So my comments about the DC output of the power supply going into the transformer and related comments are wrong and I retract them.
But the rest of your comments are pure fantasy. You cannot loop because there is no COP 3 from the "ferrite conversion." Have you ever measured the in and out energy for a transformer ferrite? I have and it's under unity I assure you. I don't know why you would even believe that. Just do the bench tests on the pulse and AC characteristics of any transformer and find out for yourself.
The seal on the power supply is broken. That's one of many possible explanations for this clip. He was too lazy to even try to peel off the label very carefully with an xacto knife blade and then put it back. You can buy a battery in just about any cylindrical shape and size that you want and put it inside the power supply. A switching power supply doesn't have particularly large caps, but you could do a very professional job if you wanted to.
Does he measure the AC voltage across the white wires in the clip? I am not sure I only watched 2/3 of the clip. But even that could be easily faked if you wanted to.
MileHigh
Quote from: bolt on April 20, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz.. Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.
The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.
Makes sense to me:) Its a simply looped device. The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%..
BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power supplies. The "magic" is only in the ferrite coil construction and coil winding detail.
Where is the scientific proof that ferrite conversion has a cop of 3?
QuoteThe OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz.. Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.
The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.
What are you talking about? The PINOUT of the power supply is given in the Data Sheet that MH found, and the colors of the wires are perfectly clear in the video.
The BLACK wires are connected to the MAINS INPUT of the power supply. The WHITE WIRES are connected to the DC OUTPUT of the power supply.
Here's the Data Sheet for another branded 'AS25-5' PSU. Note that the thing is a mirror image of what is shown in the video. The pinout, though, is standard, if reversed: The MAINS input terminals are close to the edge of the case and the DC output terminals are nearer the center, with a gap next to them; this gap contains the fine adjust pot and the green power-on LED.
Unless the pinout has been altered internally, the PSU shown in the video has the WHITE WIRES connected to the DC OUTPUT terminals and the BLACK WIRES connected to the AC MAINS input terminals.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
What are you talking about? The PINOUT of the power supply is given in the Data Sheet that MH found, and the colors of the wires are perfectly clear in the video.
The BLACK wires are connected to the MAINS INPUT of the power supply. The WHITE WIRES are connected to the DC OUTPUT of the power supply.
No the RS and the AS are not the same.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:16:02 AM
Here's the Data Sheet for another branded 'AS25-5' PSU. Note that the thing is a mirror image of what is shown in the video. The pinout, though, is standard, if reversed: The MAINS input terminals are close to the edge of the case and the DC output terminals are nearer the center, with a gap next to them; this gap contains the fine adjust pot and the green power-on LED.
Unless the pinout has been altered internally, the PSU shown in the video has the WHITE WIRES connected to the DC OUTPUT terminals and the BLACK WIRES connected to the AC MAINS input terminals.
No the datasheet you attached show 1 & 2 are DC and 4 & 5 are AC.
Look again.
In the first place, the "AS" data sheet that I attached shows something DIFFERENT: A different dimension and a mirror-image pinout. The NUMBERS of the pins are different. The LOCATION of the pins is the same: the MAINS INPUT is next to the case wall and the DC OUTPUT is more central and is next to the gap containing the potentiometer and the LED ! This is actually an industry standard arrangement.
I just posted the pinout.. didn't you see?
AS = pin 1&2 DC
RS = pin 1&2 AC
Akula using a AS supply
OOOPS...... think about THIS photo, at 15:59.
Why/how is the GREEN LED on?
The black wires aren't connected.....
If the BLACK wires are the output of the PSU that is supposed to be running the board that is supposed to be powering the White Wires that are supposed to be powering the PSU..... then the BOARD is running without the necessary feed from the PSU.... which he showed didn't work in an earlier shot.
If the BLACK wires are the mains input to the PSU..... but they are disconnected..... then how is the Green Power LED still on?
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
I just posted the pinout.. didn't you see?
AS = pin 1&2 DC
RS = pin 1&2 AC
Akula using a AS supply
What is the matter with you? Can you not read?
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery? I'll have to look at the video. If not.. yep busted. So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 03:01:31 AM
What is the matter with you? Can you not read?
I was thinking the same thing about you? :)
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 03:05:46 AM
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery? I'll have to look at the video. If not.. yep busted. So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.
What do you mean, data sheet isn't correct? They are correct. The AC is on the outer terminals on all versions of the MeanWell and the AS-branded supply.
The only "discrepancy" is the numbering of the terminals.
There are no other inputs/outputs to that power supply. The fact that the LED is ON.... needs explaining. It will be fun to read the explanations.
The fact that the label sticker that shows the terminal functions has been removed.... is also a smoking gun.
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 03:05:46 AM
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery? I'll have to look at the video. If not.. yep busted. So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.
Yes, the Green LED is shown lit and he is touching the 9v battery to the terminals on the Board where he "starts" the thing, and when he removes the 9v battery the Green LED on the PSU goes out. Very clever.
I think we should need to see that PSU plugged into the wall and powering a normal 5v load, then changed over and used in the demonstration again.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:58:05 AM
OOOPS...... think about THIS photo, at 15:59.
Why/how is the GREEN LED on?
The black wires aren't connected.....
If the BLACK wires are the output of the PSU that is supposed to be running the board that is supposed to be powering the White Wires that are supposed to be powering the PSU..... then the BOARD is running without the necessary feed from the PSU.... which he showed didn't work in an earlier shot.
If the BLACK wires are the mains input to the PSU..... but they are disconnected..... then how is the Green Power LED still on?
If you look just a few seconds earlier in the video you'll see he is powering the device with 9v battery to take measurements.. that is why the green LED is lit up.
I don't see the backwards pinouts you talk about.
Edit: Oh you saw it.. you posted as I was typing. I have to go.. will check this thread later in the week. 8)
Hi,
The entire page for PSU.. someone must be mad on finding fakes, ghmmm... ;)
Oh well, you never convince skeptics unless they disassemble unit themselves to see no hidden batteries inside.
Here is audio recording from Teamspeak where Roman explained working principle on how self running LED flashlight was achieved:
http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3
Cheers!
Quote from: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 04:55:37 AM
Hi,
The entire page for PSU.. someone must be mad on finding fakes, ghmmm... ;)
Oh well, you never convince skeptics unless they disassemble unit themselves to see no hidden batteries inside.
Here is audio recording from Teamspeak where Roman explained working principle on how self running LED flashlight was achieved:
http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3 (http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3)
Cheers!
It might have saved a good few posts had he removed the PSU lid to give a good close-up eyeball inside during the video. Videos staged like this one are just a waste of time and effort. :(
DC black cable.... start up parallel the battery affects it ...
Can I actually post any useful info on here ? I think i'm blocked, great.
Thanks TK and others, I suppose I retract my retraction but I am not 100% certain! lol I got hypnotized!
In a way it's almost moot, because these setups with the power supply and the external board in a "mutual assistance pact" by virtue of their wiring connections are a fake. Just use your common sense.
Why does this Russian guy do this absolute crap? Money? Internet fame or infamy? Psychological problems? Prankster? Compulsion bordering on obsession? Screw the system? Screw all of you? Socially engineer people for kicks? Pathological lying extended into cyberspace? Just a plain a$$hole? Hates his mother?
Who the hell knows!
MileHigh
Interesting clip showing foreign looking white wire and cut wire?
Quote from: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 07:17:38 AM
Thanks TK and others, I suppose I retract my retraction but I am not 100% certain! lol I got hypnotized!
In a way it's almost moot, because these setups with the power supply and the external board in a "mutual assistance pact" by virtue of their wiring connections are a fake. Just use your common sense.
Why does this Russian guy do this absolute crap? Money? Internet fame or infamy? Psychological problems? Prankster? Compulsion bordering on obsession? Screw the system? Screw all of you? Socially engineer people for kicks? Pathological lying extended into cyberspace? Just a plain a$$hole? Hates his mother?
Who the hell knows!
MileHigh
Hi MileHigh,
There are people not as a benefit at all, they still prefer to deceive people and are proud of what they did!!! Sadly!
havuhung
Well, at best we can tell that the PSU box has been opened. Why, or what's been done inside is unknown. That's why I think it would be nice to see it used with Mains input and a normal 5v load, to show that it still works normally.
And until someone can provide other evidence, I stand by the pinout analysis: on these kinds of power supplies the DC output terminals are located nearest the fine adjust pot and power LED, not at the other end of the terminal strip. The strip is numbered from L to R, so in the "mirror image" AS version the numbers of the DC out and AC in terminals are different, but the location wrt the edge (for AC mains) and near-center (for DC out) is the same. The removal of the label that normally sits right above the terminal strip is suspicious.
So until someone can provide some other evidence, I'm staying firm on the White Wires being connected to the DC output terminals. So the lighting up of the Green Power LED in the supply, when the Black wires disconnected, seems strange. It is slightly possible that the Green LED is directly connnected to the DC output rail of the supply, and an oscillating input from the Mystery Board to the transformer could produce a corresponding AC voltage at the White Wire winding which could then in turn light up the Green power LED on the DC output bus of the PSU. I have several power supplies whose meters will read voltage even if they are off, as long as they are connected to a source like a charged cap or a battery.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 08:18:45 AM
Well, at best we can tell that the PSU box has been opened. Why, or what's been done inside is unknown. That's why I think it would be nice to see it used with Mains input and a normal 5v load, to show that it still works normally.
And until someone can provide other evidence, I stand by the pinout analysis: on these kinds of power supplies the DC output terminals are located nearest the fine adjust pot and power LED, not at the other end of the terminal strip. The strip is numbered from L to R, so in the "mirror image" AS version the numbers of the DC out and AC in terminals are different, but the location wrt the edge (for AC mains) and near-center (for DC out) is the same. The removal of the label that normally sits right above the terminal strip is suspicious.
So until someone can provide some other evidence, I'm staying firm on the White Wires being connected to the DC output terminals. So the lighting up of the Green Power LED in the supply, when the Black wires disconnected, seems strange. It is slightly possible that the Green LED is directly connnected to the DC output rail of the supply, and an oscillating input from the Mystery Board to the transformer could produce a corresponding AC voltage at the White Wire winding which could then in turn light up the Green power LED on the DC output bus of the PSU. I have several power supplies whose meters will read voltage even if they are off, as long as they are connected to a source like a charged cap or a battery.
If the PSU has been doctored, then the terminal allocations may have been changed to suit his requirements.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 07:56:55 AM
Interesting clip showing foreign looking white wire and cut wire?
He show that without supply power consumption is 0.03 A and 9 volts, that is 0.27 W and output is 1 W LED. And he say in audio file, that one frenquency is 4-7 herc and other 460 kiloherc. One frenquency is feroresonance, but I not understand that is feroresonance 4-7 herc or 460 kiloherc?
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 08:30:10 AM
If the PSU has been doctored, then the terminal allocations may have been changed to suit his requirements.
Well, that's rather obvious, I think. But aren't we supposed to believe that the PSU hasn't been altered? If it has, then it's an important part of the circuit that hasn't been disclosed.
Anyway, I've thought about the Green LED, and what it means. It lights up when the 9v battery is applied to the Mystery Board and shuts off when that battery is removed. OK, this can happen with the normal unaltered power supply, IF the Mystery Board is putting a pulsed signal into the coil(s) of the transformator. The White Wires will act as the secondary and an AC voltage will be put into the (normally) DC output terminals of the PSU. The LED and its dropping resistor are probably simply in parallel with the DC output, so the LED will light up, as long as the Mystery Board is oscillating into the transformator "primary".
I made a short video explaining my take on this PSU LED part of the thing. I used DC into a small homemade supply but I think the idea is clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FqZGGY8hc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FqZGGY8hc)
(If it's "unavailable" it means it's still being processed at YT, I think..... or it is being suppressed..... lol)
Of course if the PSU is altered inside then all this discussion is somewhat moot. Still, I believe that careful observation can always reveal some clues.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 10:17:25 AM
Of course if the PSU is altered inside then all this discussion is somewhat moot. Still, I believe that careful observation can always reveal some clues.
One of the best clues is where he throws the switch on the PSU, then connects the 9V battery. When the battery is connected, the LED's light but when the battery is removed, the lamps extinguish. He realises that the switch needs to be thrown to latch in the relay or electronic switch inside the PSU, so as to connect the hidden battery to the output of the PSU. No need for complicated modifications or terminal re-designations, just a simple bit of skulduggery inside the PSU. Your short video reinforces this. Notice the similarity of the suspicious looking white wire inside the PSU as shown in my last post, to the white wire used on the ferrite choke.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
One of the best clues is where he throws the switch on the PSU, then connects the 9V battery. When the battery is connected, the LED's light but when the battery is removed, the lamps extinguish. He realises that the switch needs to be thrown to latch in the relay or electronic switch inside the PSU, so as to connect the hidden battery to the output of the PSU. No need for complicated modifications or terminal re-designations, just a simple bit of skulduggery inside the PSU. Your short video reinforces this. Notice the similarity of the suspicious looking white wire inside the PSU as shown in my last post, to the white wire used on the ferrite choke.
Part 3, minute 13 - where do you see power output from disconnected PSU?
Minute 14 - akula connects 9V "КОСМОС" 200mAh battery and 8 LEDs are lit up (1 Watt load) while ampmeter is showing power consumption of 0.02-0.03A which includes 1W load of LEDs + powering up electronics...
Please watch it frame by frame because akula did fit all these tests into very short video and only then try to point out what you did find suspicious there.
Come on guys! Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer??? The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out. It is the only logical way of wiring. And that is what the AS datasheet shows. I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.
Just because "8 leds are lit up" that does NOT mean that they are drawing their full rated power. There is no evidence that the LEDs are actually dissipating one Watt, while the input power is 9v x 0.03 A= 270 mW. In fact, 270 mW is plenty to light up ten or more LEDs to full brilliance, especially if they are pulsed.
QuoteCome on guys! Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer??? The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out. It is the only logical way of wiring. And that is what the AS datasheet shows. I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.
That is NOT what the AS data sheet shows! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS! The terminal strip is always numbered from left to right, so the _numbers_ of the terminals are different in the "mirror image" version. The DC OUTPUT is always next to the large gap, where the fine adjust pot and the LED are located. This is true for the "mirror image" AS data sheet as well as the AR data sheet. The data sheets agree with me.
So if you want to claim that the wiring is as YOU say, you will need to provide some evidence that overrides the data sheets and the actual device.
I am perfectly willing to agree with you, IF you provide evidence. The data sheets agree with me, though.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 01:11:23 PM
Part 3, minute 13 - where do you see power output from disconnected PSU?
Minute 14 - akula connects 9V "КОСМОС" 200mAh battery and 8 LEDs are lit up (1 Watt load) while ampmeter is showing power consumption of 0.02-0.03A which includes 1W load of LEDs + powering up electronics...
Please watch it frame by frame because akula did fit all these tests into very short video and only then try to point out what you did find suspicious there.
I studied part 3, from minute 13 carefully. I'm fairly sure that his 9V battery is operating a low current switch, which in turn is completing the circuit for a high-cap / super-cap discharge into the supply rail of an oscillator (primary of ferrite transformer) operating in flyback mode to light the LED's.
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Come on guys! Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer??? The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out. It is the only logical way of wiring. And that is what the AS datasheet shows. I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.
Here is new video
without power supply:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
Just because "8 leds are lit up" that does NOT mean that they are drawing their full rated power. There is no evidence that the LEDs are actually dissipating one Watt, while the input power is 9v x 0.03 A= 270 mW. In fact, 270 mW is plenty to light up ten or more LEDs to full brilliance, especially if they are pulsed.
That is NOT what the AS data sheet shows! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS! The terminal strip is always numbered from left to right, so the _numbers_ of the terminals are different in the "mirror image" version. The DC OUTPUT is always next to the large gap, where the fine adjust pot and the LED are located. This is true for the "mirror image" AS data sheet as well as the AR data sheet. The data sheets agree with me.
So if you want to claim that the wiring is as YOU say, you will need to provide some evidence that overrides the data sheets and the actual device.
I am perfectly willing to agree with you, IF you provide evidence. The data sheets agree with me, though.
No you look at the diagram.. That is exactly what the diagram shows from left to right pin 1,2,3,4,5. 1&2 DC out and 4&5 AC in. No mirrors in the datasheet. :)
Dear All.
Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be
Cheers Grum.
@T1000 and Grum
Thank you for the link to the new video!! 8)
Quote from: Grumage on April 21, 2014, 02:05:27 PM
Dear All.
Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be)
Cheers Grum.
No hidden battery, just a small super-cap! LED's are not illuminated brightly, so capacity of cap need not be that high.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
No hidden battery, just a small super-cap! LED's are not illuminated brightly, so capacity of cap need not be that high.
Now that is getting silly... ;)
Did you read electrolytic caps values when he unsoldered it before dissasemly?
Quote from: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
Now that is getting silly... ;)
Did you read electrolytic caps values when he unsoldered it before dissasemly?
No and neither could you! ;)
[updated in second post]
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
No and neither could you! ;)
Here it is, I spent some time just for you :)
Quote from: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
No and neither could you! ;)
Folks,
The capacitor he desolders first from the PCB is a 2200 uF / 50V DC rated, the second cap he removes is a 1000 uF / 50V DC reated and third one the green that cannot be seen what is labeled on it. The labels on first two caps can be seen in the first 10 minutes of the video, not when he removes them.
Normally supercaps are 2.5V or max 5.5V rated in a single package. So I donno yet the truth...
Gyula
Quote from: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
Here it is, I spent some time just for you :)
Nice try thanks but the super-cap does not need to have a working voltage of 9V.
@ T1000,
Something for you.
QuoteNormally supercaps are 2.5V or max 5.5V rated in a single package. So I donno yet the truth...
There are higher rated super caps available online. See here: http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Technologies/Product.aspx?ProductID=FS1A105ZFTOKIN5522339&IM=0I have been lurking around here and OU Research reading everything about the Akula devices. I have had very little time to build lately. I have not yet understood what the working principle behind the claimed excess power is. I do plan on trying out some of the unique "perpetual" transformer design ideas I have learned about on the SJR Crossover circuit. I will post if I notice anything interesting.
Hi lasersaber,
Thanks, I was not aware of them. From your link, data sheet says for 1 Farad 11V supercap the OD=28.5mm, Height=31.5mm and Height for a 12V 1 Farad is 38mm.
for a 12V 5 Farad supercap the OD=44mm, Height=60mm
If he used a supercap, he had to relabel / rewrap the plastic cover of one of the capacitors...
Gyula
Quote from: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
No you look at the diagram.. That is exactly what the diagram shows from left to right pin 1,2,3,4,5. 1&2 DC out and 4&5 AC in. No mirrors in the datasheet. :)
How many times do we have to go through this?
The first image below is from the video.
The second image below is from the data sheet. Do you see now the "mirror image" ? The GAP contains the adjustment pot and the LED. The DC output terminals are closest to this gap, NOT THE EDGE OF THE PSU. This is confirmed by both data sheets.
If you want to argue this point please provide some new data that contradicts the data sheets and the photographs !!
THE DC terminals are nearer the center of the unit. The terminals closest to the edge are the AC MAINS input terminals.
Do you have trouble displaying images inline?
Hoopy
You have come back to the dark side!!! ;D
Quote from: cheappower2012 on April 21, 2014, 04:40:39 PM
Hoopy
You have come back to the dark side!!! ;D
Yep, just trying to spread a bit of light. ;D
Do you see the label over the terminal strip on the AS power supply photo from the data sheet? The markings are perfectly clear to me. The terminals nearer the center of the unit are marked -V and +V, the center terminal is marked with a Ground symbol and the two terminals closest to the edge are marked L N (AC).
Quote from: Grumage on April 21, 2014, 02:05:27 PM
Dear All.
Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be)
Cheers Grum.
He made it Private since then...
Three caps versus two caps. ???
Three caps on part 3 video. Two on previous parts.
Wow you guys are super sleuths! That's part of the fun!
It simply makes sense to put the "nasty and dangerous" AC inputs on the far end of the terminal block setup. Then you can "play" with the 5-volt output pins in the center.
So I was right in my first assumption. So you are now officially in Whackadoo Land with Mr. Akua wiring up the DC out to one side of a transformer. He was just getting cocky and lazy, just like the fact that he couldn't be bothered trying to hide the fact that he broke the seal on the power supply in the first place.
I also see some videos have been made private. I don't know whose videos they are but that's the classic pattern. Mr. Chicken Head makes a fake clip or clips, then he stumbles and before you know it his video clips start popping out of existence.
I bet you he hates his mother! lol
MileHigh
@ MH
there is latest Akula's video:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/1404c889d895/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%20%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C%20%E2%84%963.mp4
Yep. But consider this.
If the power supply is not altered, and if I am right about the pinout, the DC output could still maybe have an effect on the transformer by biasing the core. So if the input (black wires) to the PSU are getting some kind of low frequency oscillating signal from the Mystery board, this could be.... maybe.... modulating the DC output in some way that then affected the core's permeability and thus the inductance and power transfer characteristics of the other side's windings that are connected to the board.
Or there are batteries and some switching logic in the altered PSU.
But also.... How does that DC power supply respond to having its output short-circuited? Some will just fold back and not produce any output; others will try to maintain constant current by dropping the voltage to near zero; mine in the video will overload and pop the circuit breaker, hopefully before the magic smoke leaks out....
@ TK
you talking about old issue. Akula made self runner without PSU.
check latest his video:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/1404c889d895/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%20%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C%20%E2%84%963.mp4
Tysb3,
I tried the first video link and did not see a video window and a play button. I will pass. The less time I spend on an unknown Russian web site the better. I am very wary (осторожный) about Russian web sites.
TK,
Who really knows. I am pretty sure that a switching power supply is just a pulsing inductor charging an output cap (Bedini strikes again) with a voltage sense that feeds back to control how much you pulse the inductor. So the guts don't lend themselves to any kind of rippling on the output because there is some rippling on the input. I think.
Notice that a switching power supply is not a "true" power supply that will sink current to keep the output at the desired voltage if the "load" is trying to over-voltage the output. The voltage sense will just see that the output is already "high enough" and stop switching altogether.
At least that is what I infer because as you know I stopped my true electronics "nerding" before the PCI bus came out.
MileHigh
@MH
there is on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)
Why arguing?
Don't you think that if this guy wanted to share anything he would have come out with something by now?
All we are seeing is a stream of mystical pontificating videos at times accompanied by a cheesy soundtrack.
If there is anything real in the videos he's not going to share it. I would imagine that he's afraid of losing his prophet status he clearly enjoys tremendously.
I have studied all his videos and bits of information available and it looks to me that he has recycled a lot of someone else's ideas.
I wish him all the best but would rather not see any more of his 'creations' unless it is clearly beneficial for all.
~A
tysb3 I downloaded the video and it is great.Thanks.
Akula shows us how the trafo is wound. It is an old tv flyback core.
Maybe we should offer Akula a free trip to the UK on the understanding that he teaches us.
Any objections or comment to that proposal?
One of us could put him up for free for example.
in mine opinion Akula's generator and QEG project heave the same ferrorezonance effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc
ferrites in this effect heave short live. It's need to bounce an iron core like in QEG or maybe with piezo buzzer connected to signal generator and catch ferrorezonance with rezonance coil
Isn't it much easier to make a few copies and send them to some reputable people in the community and meanwhile have makers replicate the circuit using a circuit diagram?
No circuit diagram or spec sheet makes me very skeptical. Akula0083 has een around for a while, besides in his home there seems to be no other working replication.
Hi All,
Grumage started this thread with a fair bit of information, a Schematic, and a rar file with, pdf's, Circuit Design Files, Gerber files, and Images. The first Post (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391344/#msg391344)
No one has gone into the coils in depth!
Some have claimed Akula's information to be insufficient or even fake. I suggest that anyone that is really keen, that has not already moved on and gone to another project or thread to start looking at the Coils and the 2x diodes after the coils.
Why 2 Diodes?
Why show the Coil orientation as was shown in the schematic?
I believe there is sufficient information here if we all work together on this to solve the riddle. In my posts, I have shown some unusual characteristics in my coils that need further attention! In the following picture, We can see there is something being shown here! Why have one set of terminals soldered? Why have the other set loose? This has only one answer, its so the coil can be wound in the opposite direction if necessary!
More on the Coil's
The Coil turns are wrong in the schematic!
Primary = 10 turns approx.
Secondary = 16 turns approx.
This Coil arrangement show that its using the A Vector Potential as the weapon of choice. It charges the Ferrite Core with the Primary (10 turns), at this point, I am going to say, because of the Diode arrangement the Secondary (16 Turns) carry's no current. At the Inductive Collapse, the Diodes conduct and the Load becomes an apparent load, more on the Load later. The Secondary Coil at this point is where the Magic is happening! if Wound and Wired correctly, the very Flow of Current in the secondary will do several things.
The Magnetic Field that the Primary Coil produces as a result of Lenz's Law, the Current flowing in the Primary Coil producing a Magnetic Field, will be Bucked by the same effects, Magnetic Field that the Secondary Coil produces as a result of Lenz's Law, the Current flowing in the Secondary Coil producing a Magnetic Field. Super Position states that there must become a Zero Intensity Magnetic Field at this point (See: Field or Wave Super Position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle)).
I have shown this in my Coils previously! The Coils Buck each other.
A VERY Simple Experiment.
1: Take a CRT Tube TV, turn it on and try to get a solid Colour on the screen.
2: Place one small permanent Magnet on the surface of the tube, securely.
3: Push another small Permanent Magnet, Poles Opposing, into the other small Permanent Magnet.
Result:
The Magnetic Field will be squeezed Nearly to Zero - NO MAGNETIC FIELD!!!
I am sure for those of you that have a fair amount of experience will be able to see the significance at this stage of this result!
I will share more information soon, but I would like to see some hands up if anyone is keen to continue.
In the Picture below, you will be able to see that there is a Polar benefit and Bipolar Switching is not the best with these coils. I was hoping someone would have seen this already.
All the best
Chris
The load,
Its not hard to see that the below schematic is going to have issues under certain conditions. E.G: VT1 pulls down the ve- side of L1 to Ground. We can see, and has been pointed out before, the load is Grounding the ve- side of L1 anyway weather VT1 switches or not, This of course means the load will be effectively 'connected' at all times through R5!
This could be a smart move on Akulas part though!
When the Diodes on the ends of the Coils Conduct, this creates a self looping effect on the Coils L1 and L2, Current can flow in a 'Closed' Loop in one direction! This feed back, or feed forward condition, depending on how one looks at it, with Reduced Lenz Law On the Collapsing Magnetic Field on the Coils may be where sufficient energy can be obtained to Charge C11 to capacity and also light the load all at the same time!
So even though the Circuit appears to have issues they just could be a very smart way to deal with operational Characteristics.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 04:01:23 AM
So even though the Circuit appears to have issues they just could be a very smart way to deal with operational Characteristics.
Why did you change the dot convention on the schematic that you have attached?
Grumage's diagram in the 1st post of this thread and all
other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) have the opposite winding polarity.
With the winding polarity depicted on the schematic, that you've attached, the current fill flow in the primary and secondary winding
simultaneously (that is a characteristic of the "normal" transformer mode).
All
other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) show the winding polarity in a "flyback mode" where the maxima and zeros of the currents do not occur simultaneously.
Quote from: verpies on April 22, 2014, 05:04:59 AM
Why did you change the dot convention on the schematic that you have attached?
Hey Verpies,
See Grumage's original Rar File (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/134537/). There are 2x diagrams in there. I did not change anything.
All the Best
Chris
What does the Magnetic Field really do to a Charged Particle?
Another Very Simple Experiment!
1: Take a Bifilar Coil, Tie both ends of one end of the Bifilar so the Coil effectively has one coil coming back on its self in the opposing direction if the Coil was carrying Current (Non Inductive Mode)
2: Setup and configure a Circuit so you can see the Charge Time of the Coil maybe with a sense resistor. (See below Circuit)
3: Now measure the time to charge the Coil in Bifilar NON Inductive Mode.
4: Note the time down.
5: Now change the Bifilar Coil to Inductive mode series Connected so as to keep the same Resistance of the Wire as in the First Experiment.
6: Use the same Circuit and measure the time to Charge the Coil.
7: Note the Time.
Inductance!
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!
Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate! This allows the Charges I.E: Current, to move Much Faster!
Conclusion:
The Magnetic Field produced by a Charged Particle is directly proportional to the Rate of Flow (Speed at which it can travel) of the Charged Particle. E.G: the Magnetic Field that is produced by a moving Charge slows down the Charge itself.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: See the below pdf for the Circuit and description.
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Quote from: verpies on April 22, 2014, 05:04:59 AM
All other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) show the winding polarity in a "flyback mode" where the maxima and zeros of the currents do not occur simultaneously.
Hi Verpies,
I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted. There will be a debate on the dot notation and what it actually means for this arrangement.
Its not conventional Transformer theory, not entirely anyway. Phase Angle and so on are not a concern, Pure, raw power. Lets just leave it here for a while before I overstate this whole thing!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 06:22:26 AM
I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted.
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494. This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous
positive PWM feedback loop.
Think about it - I'd like to know if you still insist that the schematic you posted makes sense.
Anyway, below are two REAL scopeshots with the transformer in Akula's
circuit v3 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) connected in the "normal" transformer mode and in flyback mode (Ch1=Gate voltage, Ch2=L1's current, Ch4=L2's current).
P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 05:47:42 AM
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!
Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate!
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.
After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 03:44:09 AM
(snip)....
In the Picture below, you will be able to see that there is a Polar benefit and Bipolar Switching is not the best with these coils. I was hoping someone would have seen this already.
All the best
Chris
It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?
Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.
(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)
Quote from: verpies on April 22, 2014, 07:36:43 AM
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.
After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.
Some food for thought - what things you will observe on bulb and on hard type(magnetic) ferrite magnetic/electric configuration when having bucking coil arrangement like this?
Hint - this arrangement can be observed in latest akula videos.
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...
Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed, make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.
There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).
Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?
Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.
Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.
Well done Roman.
~A
Quote from: avalon on April 22, 2014, 03:56:28 PM
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...
Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed, make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.
There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).
Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?
Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.
Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.
Well done Roman.
~A
Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514
Quote from: verpies on April 22, 2014, 07:14:36 AM
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494. This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous positive PWM feedback loop.
/....
P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.
Hey Verpies,
The Schematic I posted is only part of the original rar file. Its nothing to do with what I have suggested regarding the Frequency and or Duty. I suggested a different approach to start with: My Coil Test Suggestions! (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)
Below is the zip file, try that if you had trouble with the rar file. The contents are exactly the same.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: verpies on April 22, 2014, 07:36:43 AM
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.
After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.
Hi Verpies,
Ok, wow, where do I start here? First, this is and only was for concept to show that a Charged Particle can move at faster rates if its self generated Magnetic Field is reduced. This is true for any coil weather it be in a Generator or a Choke. Of course, the use of this effect would not be practical in the situation where a Choke would be required for obvious reasons!!!
Second, as you have drawn the coils in Picture One, there is next to no use for transfer of energy -
WHY? - Lets see what the consensus is!
Question: Why is it that the Bifilar Coil you have drawn in Picture One has no use to us for achieving what we need to achieve? E.G: Amplifying Energy.
If one were to study every single Energy Amplification Device in History and say not one had a Bifilar Coil would they be right? If you have proof of evidence of the use of a Bifilar Coil let me know.
Why is it that nearly every device in History has multiple coils that always sit side by side - E.G:
NOT Bifilar! Floyd Sweet is the only one that was said to use Bifilar Coils, this is un-true, they are 2x coils on the same Bobbin and
NOT Bifilar by definition. How can this be proved? It cant!
But a series of experiments can be done to eliminate the falsity's and a conclusion can be drawn.
In fact, if anyone can demonstrate energy amplification in a Bifilar NON inductive coil without the use of complicated switching I am prepared to send them a sum of money. Wont be much but a reward shall we say. I don't believe this can be achieved!
Below is a copy of your Bifilar Coil for others to reference and also a picture of the Actual Bucking Coil. Remember the Magnetic Field can be reduced just by squeezing 2x fields of the same strength together, the source of the Magnetic does not have to occupy the same space!
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 22, 2014, 09:45:11 AM
It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?
Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.
(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)
Hi TinselKoala,
This is a good question. To be honest I cant say why exactly other than it seemed best to use AC Coupling as the wave has an AC Component to it. You're quite right however, it could have been a good idea to use DC Coupling. Also I was switching Bi Polar, using a H-Bridge and it also seemed logical to use AC Coupling.
If you would prefer to see a DC Coupled shot then let me know and I can post one.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: avalon on April 22, 2014, 03:56:28 PM
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...
/....
~A
Hey Avalon,
Great Post! I could not agree with you more! Lets all work together and not bicker and squabble like little kids.
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, through argument and debate, but, most of all, freedom of will." (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Alteran)
All the Best
Chris
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many seen over recent years.
There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic! The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory. The type and model numbers NOT important. Who cares if he opened his or not? WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)
A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to look for. The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there. Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM IC or a 555 as a signal driver. This is the EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 22, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514
Hi T-1000,
This is a great idea. I have tried this in the past but the biggest problem I have found is time zones. We all live in different time zones and its not always east to communicate with everyone at a single time for other reasons like Kids bed times and son on...
Keep up the effort though, if only one idea were to be passed between everyone here then it is of benefit!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: bolt on April 22, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many seen over recent years.
There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic! The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory. The type and model numbers NOT important. Who cares if he opened his or not? WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)
A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to look for. The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there. Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM IC or a 555 as a signal driver. This is the EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.
Hey Bolt,
Exactly!!!
20 other models worked with no DC Switching Power Supply. You've hit the nail on the head! Excellent Post!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: avalon on April 22, 2014, 03:56:28 PM
I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed, make them run in a self-sustained mode.
Hey Avalon,
Any chance of posting the link, or even better the file for all to use as a resource?
All the Best
Chris
Hey Avalon !
" 4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational)."
Years ago we ran a few test at the university with different kinds of ferrite cores and after 1 month most of them just became like empty. A piece of garbage.... Do you know why ? At certain frequency and resonance the ferrite lost mass slowly...delivering radiation. YES. RADIATION. RADIATION...READ AGAIN...RADIATION !!!!
MnaZn(1-a)Fe2O4 // NiaZn(1-a)Fe2O4) + copper = BAD FRIENDS
If you people keep playing with this, you probably will pick a BIG CANCER !!!. There is no OU...the ferrite is just the fuel and the electronics is the magic spark !!!!
Just use another core types (air or laminated Fe). Please just be careful with technology that you don't know 100%.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 22, 2014, 03:11:42 PM
Some food for thought - what things you will observe on bulb and on hard type(magnetic) ferrite magnetic/electric configuration when having bucking coil arrangement like this?
Hint - this arrangement can be observed in latest akula videos.
Hi T-1000,
This is of course the smartest observation I have seen on this thread to date! Excellent Post! It may be the case that the Coils may not be 100% correct compared to the drawing but they are very close.
All the best
Chris
Hi All,
I am going to go a little further, seems some are interested!
Lurkers, please join in too!
The A Vector Potential and the Magnetic Field - A and Phi
See below Picture for illustratory purposes. See here for more information. (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Vector%20Potential)
Note: Arrows pointing to the Right indicate the Right Hand Rule as applied to the magnetic Field. Arrows Up and Down indicate the Bloch Wall Growing as a result of Time moving away from t=0. This will reverse as Field Maximum has been reached and Field decays as a result of IR Factors.
I am going to take you on a ride in my Quantum Automobile! Plenty of room for all!
Imagine the typical Solenoid, or Coil of Wire, Imagine the dynamic changes that occurs to each area at specific times throughout its operation. We are going assume a 50Hz 50% Duty Cycle, typical AC Sine wave on the Input. We are going to park our Quantum Auto in the middle of the Core, absolute centre, where the Bloch wall will grow and decay with progression of the IR factor resulting in the Magnetic Field that changes in strength over time.
An observation can be made and the result is quite astounding!
Observations
At t=0 we see nothing but particles and depending on the core material we may see residual Magnetic effects. Currently we are not too concerned about the residual magnetic Effects. As time moves from Zero we see an amazing effect!
Looking up we can see an growing Toriodal Shaped Electric Field with Spin in the Clock Wise Direction moving away from us from our Observation Point.
Looking down we can see an growing Toriodal Shaped Electric Field with Spin in the Counter Clock Wise Direction moving away from us from our Observation Point.
Each Growing in intensity and at the same time moving away from us as the distance of the Bloch Wall grows in time.
Now we move our Quantum Auto and move it out to the perimeter looking sideways at the same Coil. What do we see now?
The point of this Exercise!
At this stage it is obvious that we have a difference in effects from our observation point. From outside we see two Toroidal electric fields that permeate all space growing and moving away from each other with Equivalent Spin Direction in what appears to be the same direction! From the Stand Point when we parked our Quantum Auto at the Centre of the Bloch Wall, we saw the opposite, Non Equivalent Spin Directions on each Toroidal Electric Field and each Toroidal Field moving away from each other.
The point here is that Placement of coils is important, what a Coil sees as a result of its placement can change the entire operation of the device. Not only the placement but also the direction of turns is important if it is placed on the same core as the input coil. Turn Direction is the difference between a Dead Short in the device and not shorting the device and accessing another effect that some may not have seen before.
Experimental Results
I just want to say, the above is all from experimental results. Its not all conventional and to some, it is absolute blasphemy! But its tried tested and true. If you wish I can share experiments to prove what I have said is true.
All the Best
Chris
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.
Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 22, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.
Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but not all Akula's devices use ferrite cores, some are air cored aren't they?
All the best
Chris
Quote from: a.king21 on April 22, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.
Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.
consuming the ferrite core = radiation
There is better stuff from Akula to play with it....
PEOPLE, BELIEVE ME, CONSUMING FERRITE = RADIATION = CANCER
Hi All,
A Little more Information. A Video posted from 'Andrea Bianchi' shows exactly what I have been talking about.
Video One: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
Video Two: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 2-2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)
I have Flipped and modified one of the pictures below to further explain what I have been talking about. Each Secondary Coil is configured to Buck the other Secondary Coil. I have put a white line down the middle to show what I have been talking about.
I have taken apart the Picture and joined as if the coil was on one single solid core.
If you want to see a demonstration of this effect, see my Video here: A Vector potential and what can be achieved once understood. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM)
This is a very important bit of information in the puzzle.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: This is an old document now but I have detailed some information here: Self Assisted A Vector Potential Oscillation (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Self%20Assisted%20A%20Vector%20Potential%20Oscillation.pdf)
Being this is an old document some information may not be entirely correct and or may be incomplete. The general ideas are still there and some information may elaborate on what I have explained previously.
Hope all this helps!
Would you like to see the A vector field :)
The first pic ac
second dc
Hi All,
This is my last bit of information. It took m a long time to understand this bit and I am now going to share. You do with it what you will.
Your input Coil can have very little turns.
Your output coils can have many more turns.
This works as a Step UP Transformer
Turns on the output determine the output voltage only, not necessarily the output Current. There is NO or next to NO Lenz Law in this transformer. Like I have explained earlier its not Conventional.
Notice Floyd Sweet had exactly 5 times more turns on his Output Coils than he did on his Input (FB) Coils and notice the FB and Input coils were non inductive from each set of coils to the other.
Good Luck Guys!
Takes a little tuning to get the best result like I said so stick with it.
EMjunkie,
You posted a diagram of a magnet and a coil where the diagram shows the Bloch wall. I think some of the other posters chatting with you agreed with this assessment.
I have news for you and a challenge for you.
The news is that there is no Bloch wall in the magnet. Likewise, there is no Bloch wall in the center of the coil. I am 100% certain of this.
The challenge for you is this: We are in the Internet age. There is 100 lifetime's worth of information at your fingertips. I challenge you and your friends that agree with you about the Bloch wall diagrams to go and do the research. Figure it out for yourselves. Get information from multiple sources, learn it, evaluate it, and come to an understanding for yourselves and by yourselves. Then come back to this thread and state that you now understand. State that you understand that there is no Bloch wall, and state why there is no Bloch wall.
That is my challenge to you and your friends. Go on a voyage of learning and discovery and come back here and tell us that you now have a proper understanding. You would be doing yourselves a great service.
MileHigh
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 05:08:39 PM
Any chance of posting the link, or even better the file for all to use as a resource?
Sure.
Here it is: http://turbobit.net/lnd8jbsds0hh.html
~A
Quote from: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
EMjunkie,
You posted a diagram of a magnet and a coil where the diagram shows the Bloch wall. I think some of the other posters chatting with you agreed with this assessment.
I have news for you and a challenge for you.
The news is that there is no Bloch wall in the magnet. Likewise, there is no Bloch wall in the center of the coil. I am 100% certain of this.
The challenge for you is this: We are in the Internet age. There is 100 lifetime's worth of information at your fingertips. I challenge you and your friends that agree with you about the Bloch wall diagrams to go and do the research. Figure it out for yourselves. Get information from multiple sources, learn it, evaluate it, and come to an understanding for yourselves and by yourselves. Then come back to this thread and state that you now understand. State that you understand that there is no Bloch wall, and state why there is no Bloch wall.
That is my challenge to you and your friends. Go on a voyage of learning and discovery and come back here and tell us that you now have a proper understanding. You would be doing yourselves a great service.
MileHigh
Hey MileHigh, and Avalon,
I can give you several experiments that show this Bloch Wall, but instead, here is one from the professionals: See Attached PDF. I like that you have an opinion on this and have challenged the thinking.
All the best
Chris
Quote from: avalon on April 22, 2014, 11:00:08 PM
Sure.
Here it is: http://turbobit.net/lnd8jbsds0hh.html
~A
Thank You Brother!
All the Best
Chris
P.S see above for info you may find very useful!
Chris,
I am way too tired to read the pdf. I will try to do it within the next ten days and respond. I am in the process of preparing for a business trip and I am very busy right now.
However, note your paper discusses an alleged anomaly. That's like starting a discussion about snowstorms and someone says, "Titan, the moon of Saturn has snow storms but the snow is frozen methane." Do you get my point? The discussion is supposed to be about snowstorms on Earth.
I am not interested in any alleged anomalies. I stated that a normal magnet or a normal coil does not have a Bloch wall and I am challenging you to go on an intellectual voyage of discovery and learning yourself - so that you come back and tell us how you now understand why there are no Bloch walls in magnets and coils.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
Chris,
I am way too tired to read the pdf. I will try to do it within the next ten days and respond. I am in the process of preparing for a business trip and I am very busy right now.
However, note your paper discusses an alleged anomaly. That like starting a discussion about snowstorms and someone says, "Titan, the moon of Saturn has snow storms but the snow is frozen methane." Do you get my point? The discussion is supposed to be about snowstorms on Earth.
I am not interested in any alleged anomalies. I stated that a normal magnet or a normal coil does not have a Bloch wall and I am challenging you to go on an intellectual voyage of discovery and learning yourself - so that you come back and tell us how you now understand why there are no Bloch walls in magnets and coils.
MileHigh
Hey MileHigh,
If one had time to read, and the will to move forward there are a thousand documents I can share with you. Howard Johnston also proved beyond doubt a Bloch Wall exists.
Therefore I will leave you in the boat, floating, and when you have time to do the study you can read, as I have already done my bit.
All the Best
Chris
Chris,
If you believe that a bar magnet has a Bloch wall that separates it into two halves, the please explain it right here in this thread. I am serious, please discuss the structure of the bar magnet and it's associated Bloch wall. I am asking you to delve into it with a moderate amount of detail like you were teaching someone that had no preconceptions one way or the other.
I would be curious to see what you have to say.
MileHigh
P.S.: I am not doubting if Bloch walls exist or not, I am just discussing if one exists in a bar magnet. That's what I am asking you to explain.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
Chris,
If you believe that a bar magnet has a Bloch wall that separates it into two halves, the please explain it right here in this thread. I am serious, please discuss the structure of the bar magnet and it's associated Bloch wall. I am asking you to delve into it with a moderate amount of detail like you were teaching someone that had no preconceptions one way or the other.
I would be curious to see what you have to say.
MileHigh
P.S.: I am not doubting if Bloch walls exist or not, I am just discussing if one exists in a bar magnet. That's what I am asking you to explain.
Hey MileHigh,
If you start another separate thread, then I am more than happy to contribute. I am not getting into a debate here as it defeats the purpose of this thread.
Ball is in your court.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: When you get time, please read my related documents I have posted for you. I am happy to participate after you have read the documents I have supplied you.
P.P.S: If you need a Picture to start the thread, see the attached Picture I have supplied you. Red Arrows Indicate Natural and Induced Bloch Wall. This is just so you can have a visual display of the effect. Magnetic Paper is about $3 on E-Bay if you need to buy some.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 08:55:51 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but not all Akula's devices use ferrite cores, some are air cored aren't they?
All the best
Chris
Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients: strontium manufactured hard ferrite:
The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?
Quote from: a.king21 on April 23, 2014, 12:32:40 AM
Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients: strontium manufactured hard ferrite:
The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?
Hey A.King21,
Let me put it this way, I don't think it cant be done!
Anything is possible if we try hard enough, all together!
I think it could be beneficial to start small, start with a dirty old recovered Ferrite DC Switch Mode Power Supply transformer, wind the coils like we know how and try to get the best results. Like I say, lets start small, start cheap and see what happens.
Or EBay is Cheap too! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ER2834-EE-Type-Transformer-Ferrite-Magnetic-Core-Coil-Former-34x29x24mm-/321293405818?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ace944e7a)
The first goal should be to run a load with no extra input power. Then we can increase turns, Insert Diodes, Change switching or what ever from there.
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
It seems as if Videos are being removed: Роман Карноухов (Roman Karnouhov) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aHNMDJzRW7YDd145_Pa2w/videos)
It could be maliciously or not but I suggest people download the videos they come across and keep them: I use: YDownloader (http://www.youtube-d.com/) It can also convert them to AVI or what ever later on also. Its Free!
So beware the clean up on the net of useful information!
All the best
Chris
from Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo
Hi All,
I have done some investigations on the Video: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
I have estimated the running Frequency in and around 6.910KHz.
Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns
The Core is a Fly Back TV U or C Core (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FERRITE-CORE-UR-3C30-UR48-39-17-3C30-2103425-/390627709396?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5af339d1d4)
I think that this version is about the best possible chance of replicating. We have a lot of information about this version. We know the exact Coil Configuration, Approx Frequency, basic construction...
Does anyone have the Circuit for Akula0083 Lantern3?
This device is a Very Good Demonstration!!
All the Best
Chris
Thanks
more info used wire gauge
Hi All,
Name of IC on Circuit Board (Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled)
anyone know?
Thank you
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 03:09:56 AM
Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns
No. Here is two primaries and one secondary. And prmaries wound in oposite direction. One primary frenquency is low, other is hight. One primary for transformation, other for combination to get free energy. Who have more turns primary is for standart transformation. Akula say about feroresonance.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 23, 2014, 12:32:40 AM
Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients: strontium manufactured hard ferrite:
The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?
I bealive, that of cors. That is wery naive thinking, that only russian cores is magic... I bealive.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 03:09:56 AM
Hi All,
I have done some investigations on the Video: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
I have estimated the running Frequency in and around 6.910KHz.
Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns
The Core is a Fly Back TV U or C Core (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FERRITE-CORE-UR-3C30-UR48-39-17-3C30-2103425-/390627709396?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5af339d1d4)
I think that this version is about the best possible chance of replicating. We have a lot of information about this version. We know the exact Coil Configuration, Approx Frequency, basic construction...
Does anyone have the Circuit for Akula0083 Lantern3?
This device is a Very Good Demonstration!!
All the Best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
I hear hissing noise in the video, he used hand axes rotation potentiometer, the potentiometer is in the outermost position on the circuit board. I guess this circuit board can operate in the frequency range 15-20 kHz.
Quote from: havuhung on April 23, 2014, 04:37:36 AM
Hi All,
Name of IC on Circuit Board (Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled)
anyone know?
Thank you
Hi All,
IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!
This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 23, 2014, 05:08:11 AM
No. Here is two primaries and one secondary. And prmaries wound in oposite direction. One primary frenquency is low, other is hight. One primary for transformation, other for combination to get free energy. Who have more turns primary is for standart transformation. Akula say about feroresonance.
Hey MenofFather,
Floyd Sweet also wrote about resonance, instead it was Magnetic Resonance. See the attached pdf. Also see the pdf by Paul Raymond Jensen, I believe this is what Floyd Sweet refers to in the first pdf.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
Hi All,
IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!
This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.
Hi All,
The above information I posted may be an entirely different circuit! On further investigation, I believe they, both IC Chips are TL494ln but I cant be certain of this.
All the best
Chris
The missing clips are still on the Akula YT channel, you must have the link to wach the clips.. some clips are now re-loaded to to different channels.. so they are not on the Akula channel..
I will link the Russian forum on this device here below for you, as well as for others. This is in Russian, if you copy the link then paste it into the google translator it will translate the whole forum in to english
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?limitstart=0 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?limitstart=0)
Weslay video translation of the Akula0083 device below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo)
Dis-Assembly bt Akula0083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ)
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Atomic self-destruction is now "real" as Italians have discovered in 2007. Using ultrasonic energy they broke apart ferric-chloride salt and released neutrons using very low power.. Ferrites (micro size) in a ceramics don't have a lasting a mgnetic field and it's properties can be made to induce a "spin wave" in the Ghz. range. One can collect the electrons in the nodal points this way. Akula has found a way.. in the lower frequency's.. This energy extraction is atomic in nature. link to "Piezzonuclear" effect..
Why Iron?
From the point of view of the well known nuclear fusion and fission, Iron is certainly the less indicated nuclide to be employed. The reason of this statement can be found the diagram reporting the binding energy per nucleon as function of the atomic mass number. In this diagram Iron has, in sign, the lowest binding energy, which means that its nucleus is the most tightly bound. This means that, starting from it, both fusion and fission are endothermic processes, or in other words, that, even if the conditions for them to take place were created, they would not begin, since the resulting nuclides would have, in sign, a higher binding energy, which they should absorb from the environment. This is perfectly true in flat spacetime. Conversely, in a deformed spacetime, piezonuclear fusion and piezonuclear fission can easily take place for Iron as well, and moreover this nuclide, thanks to its higher binding energy per nucleon, reaches and overcomes the threshold more easily and above all in less time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE)
Here are posts from this forum from 2009 about "Piezonuclear" (Italian term)
http://www.overunity.com/8503/ultrasonic-piezonuclear-reactions/#.U1eRxayLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/8503/ultrasonic-piezonuclear-reactions/#.U1eRxayLN8U)
Acca...
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
See the Below Zip File!
Eihehehegeygey, I could not open this zip file.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 23, 2014, 06:49:14 AM
Eihehehegeygey, I could not open this zip file.
Hey MenofFather,
I think its not the correct Circuit anyway. I have attached pictures.
All the Best
Chris.
@Chris:
Div B = 0.
The "Bloch Wall" is a characteristic of your measurement system, not the magnetic field.
Guys
In the matter of transmutation of materials there are numbers of patents starting for example with old Czechoslovakien patent of transmuting Fe56(normal soft iron) to Fe54, later also some French ones. Very simple design releasing huge amount of energy. But what is it good for if you have to feed it with new bars after some hours of work? Why are you so focused on the ferite core? Don't you remember Acula's first torche was like TPU - it means air core. I think he was trying to replicate SM's TPU and it didn't work for him that way but he got running the device we see now.
Here is a link to:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875)
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Ferromagnetic FREE ENERGY generation of Andrey Melnichenko.
This is what Akula0083 has shown the explanation is below with a link to the "Ferrite web" of the Russian inventor..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/)
Effect is based on transformation of the secondary ferromagnetic ferros field to useful (free) electric energy. Work onto magnetisation (electric energy cost) is defined only by that magnetic field which directly forms flux linkage (inductive coupling) with magnetisable wind.
Acca...[/font]
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 07:06:35 AM
@Chris:
Div B = 0.
The "Bloch Wall" is a characteristic of your measurement system, not the magnetic field.
Hey TinselKoala,
My opinion stays un changed unfortunately, I can see it, I can feel it, my senses are not fibbing. Weather Div B = 0 or Div B != 0.
Sorry TinselKoala, I am firm on my findings on this one.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Acca on April 23, 2014, 07:21:15 AM
Here is a link to:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875)
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Ferromagnetic FREE ENERGY generation of Andrey Melnichenko.
This is what Akula0083 has shown the explanation is below with a link to the "Ferrite web" of the Russian inventor..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/)
Effect is based on transformation of the secondary ferromagnetic ferros field to useful (free) electric energy. Work onto magnetisation (electric energy cost) is defined only by that magnetic field which directly forms flux linkage (inductive coupling) with magnetisable wind.
Acca...[/font]
Hey Acca,
Excellent! This is a good bit of information to have thanks
Was waiting for Andrei to get the site back up.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 23, 2014, 02:42:14 AM
from Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo)
The schematic for the device depicted in this video is below:
( connections of copper foils may be incorrect )
Quote from: John.K1 on April 23, 2014, 07:16:03 AM
But what is it good for if you have to feed it with new bars after some hours of work?
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Fe or Co?
Quote from: John.K1 on April 23, 2014, 07:16:03 AM
Don't you remember Acula's first torche was like TPU - it means air core.
It doesn't mean that the device is all air, e.g. the device contains a lot of copper in the form of copper wire and foil.
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Cu ?
Don't you remember whether he got the copper device to work well ?
Calculate the J/kg of transmutation yield before you start discouraging people with your ignorance.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 22, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.
Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.
Not consuming the core...First consuming the core binder or wire insulation, a hydrocarbon byproduct I suspect.
"LENR occurs when mechanical phonons are impinged upon a hydrogen bearing liquid in contact with the metal matrix."
>
>There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
>...
> 4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).
>
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In a final operating device I would insist on a designer replacing all large value electrolytic capacitors with tantalum polarized capacitors.
Read the history of electrolytic capacitors, to find out why...they are only approximations of capacitors.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 07:37:53 AM
Hey TinselKoala,
My opinion stays un changed unfortunately, I can see it, I can feel it, my senses are not fibbing. Weather Div B = 0 or Div B != 0.
Sorry TinselKoala, I am firm on my findings on this one.
All the Best
Chris
You don't know how happy that makes me.
By the way, what happens when you cut a bar magnet in half right at the Bloch Wall? Never mind, I already know the answer.
;)
Time for another cup of coffee....
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:45:54 AM
Hi All,
The above information I posted may be an entirely different circuit! On further investigation, I believe they, both IC Chips are TL494ln but I cant be certain of this.
All the best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
You are correct, the screen capture image from video shows both the TL494 Chip.
Quote from: verpies on April 23, 2014, 09:44:44 AM
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Fe or Co?
Use of the term 'transmutation' is, IMHO, incorrect.
I have read posts suggesting that Roman's unit is a sort of variation of LENR. It is not.
I can write a very long post explaining why not, but I am sure that you can find a better article on LENR than I could ever write.
Have a look at this Mitsubishi pattern:
http://www.google.com/patents/EP1202290B1?cl=en&dq=Nuclide+transmutation+device+and+nuclide+transmutation+method+EP+1202290+B1&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vnQNU-KoEeHl2AXdpICICQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA
or just read a WiKi article and I am sure you'd agree with me.
~A
Hi @EMJunkie and All
I like your contributions, they are very constructive!
When I saw the last translation video of Wesley I realise that the core/transformer that Akula disassemble is very similar to the core in The E-Stress Power Generation System project.
Since I saw it, I have been searching on the web/overunity/energeticforum for anybody working on it but can't find anything.
I have very little knowledge on electronics, I work with computers.
The project is very well explained so please take a look, I know you can understand it.
Look for The E-Stress Power Generation System at the bottom of chapter 3 in www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)
Thanks and good luck!
Nico
Quote from: avalon on April 23, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Use of the term 'transmutation' is, IMHO, incorrect.
I have read posts suggesting that Roman's unit is a sort of variation of LENR.
...and that "NR" in LENR is what kind of nuclear reaction: Alpha decay,
±Beta decay, EC, IC, Fission, Fusion, ...what ?
Quote from: avalon on April 23, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
It is not.
I can write a very long post explaining why not, but I am sure that you can find a better article on LENR than I could ever write.
I already am well educated on the subject of LENR. A search for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions in solid matter induced by EM pulsing techniques leads to this (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137301/) patent - a perfect match.
Anyway, why should I discuss LENR with you if you propose a different operational principle that you want to keep to yourself?
P.S.
I partially wrote that Wikipedia article.
TL494 and CD4017 is used
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
You don't know how happy that makes me.
By the way, what happens when you cut a bar magnet in half right at the Bloch Wall? Never mind, I already know the answer.
;)
Time for another cup of coffee....
Hey TinselKoala,
Yes, I also know the answer. One could say the Bloch Wall is a result of the geometry/size of the Magnetic Field. Of course it is a little more complicated than that but the basic idea follows geometry/size.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on April 23, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Hi EMJunkie,
You are correct, the screen capture image from video shows both the TL494 Chip.
Nice Spotting Havuhung! Thanks.
Quote from: verpies on April 23, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
I partially wrote that Wikipedia article.
...and you've attached an unfulfilled patent from 1982 to prove that you are right?
I am not picking up a fight, just expressing my opinion. I've got yours.
~A
Mmm...
akula videos disappeared?
Quote from: alejandroguille on April 23, 2014, 09:20:31 PM
Mmm...
akula videos disappeared?
Hi All,
I have started a YouTube Channel up just for Akula Videos. Please send me a private message and I will send you User Details so you can upload your Videos you have downloaded. This way we can keep the information flowing!
Channel: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw)
All the Best
Chris
;)
Hey Dave,
I would like to be able to talk about this more, I just don't yet know enough about it yet. Negative Back EMF!!!
I Have had the pleasure of working with some
Very smart people in my time. One person in particular had told me that if we have Positive Energy flowing in a Coil E.G Our Input, and we have another Coil sitting beside this coil then the other Coil can under some circumstances Induce a Negative Energy Flow.
Now I don't know enough yet but this certainly suggests this is true as I was told.
Richard Feynman said:
QuoteSo you see that the real energy change is the negative of the mechanical work and that is why I keep writing this as E Artificial, because the true energy of the world is the negative of E Artificial in this case is μ.B, I just want to point out that difference in sign, but that interesting....
The Full Lecture can be heard here: V2 Ch15 Vector Potential.mp3 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/V2%20Ch15%20Vector%20Potential.mp3)
So this means:
-mechanical work = E Artificial
true energy of the world = -E Artificial
μ.B = true energy of the world
It seems that Richard Feynman was trying to tell us something, that we have two types of Energy, artificial and True Energy of the World, or Universal Energy.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Nico8k on April 23, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
Hi @EMJunkie and All
I like your contributions, they are very constructive!
When I saw the last translation video of Wesley I realise that the core/transformer that Akula disassemble is very similar to the core in The E-Stress Power Generation System project.
Since I saw it, I have been searching on the web/overunity/energeticforum for anybody working on it but can't find anything.
I have very little knowledge on electronics, I work with computers.
The project is very well explained so please take a look, I know you can understand it.
Look for The E-Stress Power Generation System at the bottom of chapter 3 in www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)
Thanks and good luck!
Nico
Thanks Nico8k! I believe we can do it. If we all work together!
Welcome to the thread!
I have a friend that has worked on the E Stress... Its concepts in my opinion has merit. My friend was not able to get the E Stress working as it was laid out. There could be something missing that could be the key. I did have a look at it, but was working on other things at the time so could not concentrate too much on it.
Good Luck I hope you get it!
All the Best
Chris
P.S. I am sorry if I miss anyone's post's. I nearly missed this one, so sorry, I don't mean to be rude. E-Mail me or PM me if you want?
P.P.S: I don't use energeticforum anymore since before the Aaron Murakami Scandal.
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 23, 2014, 04:42:49 PM
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.
Hi AlienGrey,
You still stored electrical circuit diagrams? you can share your diagrams.
Thanks
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 23, 2014, 04:42:49 PM
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.
Hey AlienGrey,
Please see: #msg399108 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg399108/#msg399108) on as we have posted several posts on this already. We worked out that the schematic in the video was not of the Circuit used and yes we did suspect that the chips were TL494's but as yet we can not prove it.
If you have any more information we would be very appreciative if you were able to share with us!
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
Just a reminder:
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 09:38:45 PM
Hi All,
I have started a YouTube Channel up just for Akula Videos. Please send me a private message and I will send you User Details so you can upload your Videos you have downloaded. This way we can keep the information flowing!
Channel: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw)
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 07:01:35 AM
Hey MenofFather,
I think its not the correct Circuit anyway. I have attached pictures.
All the Best
Chris.
Эта схема совсем от другой установки, он просто так подложил листок со схемой другой установки, а не этой. This circut is not that divice, other! http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/4046---2_2013-10-21.JPG
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36)
To All Forum and Lurker Math Gurus...
I want to ask all Gurus in Math to define in terms of device requirements what μ.B may represent?
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
Richard Feynman said: QuoteSo you see that the real energy change is the negative of the mechanical work and that is why I keep writing this as E Artificial, because the true energy of the world is the negative of E Artificial in this case is μ.B, I just want to point out that difference in sign, but that interesting....
The Full Lecture can be heard here: V2 Ch15 Vector Potential.mp3 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/V2%20Ch15%20Vector%20Potential.mp3)
So this means:
-mechanical work = E Artificial
true energy of the world = -E Artificial
μ.B = true energy of the world
Where μ = Permeability and B Magnetic Field B. If we get Zero then we have a huge step forward in our work! For any required parameters if you just let me know what you need. Value of B could = 10. Value of μ may = 9500.
This probably should go on another thread? if so let me know guys.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: MenofFather on April 24, 2014, 01:50:52 AM
Эта схема совсем от другой установки, он просто так подложил листок со схемой другой установки, а не этой. This circut is not that divice, other! http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/4046---2_2013-10-21.JPG
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36)
Apologies,
Thanks for the info!
All the Best
Chris
Chris !!!
here are links to the Akula clips that where removed they are on a different channel unlisted..
http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU (http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU)
http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE (http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE)
http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M (http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M)
http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc (http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc)
http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A (http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A)
This clip is unlisted still on his channel.
Akula's other video linked only with this address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY)
Acca..
Hi All,
Schematics diagram circuit for (Akula0083-Lantern No3-Disassembly) not found!
It seems that he did not upload Akula0083. . .
Quote from: Acca on April 24, 2014, 02:13:33 AM
Chris !!!
here are links to the Akula clips that where removed they are on a different channel unlisted..
http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU (http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU)
http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE (http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE)
http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M (http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M)
http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc (http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc)
http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A (http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A)
This clip is unlisted still on his channel.
Akula's other video linked only with this address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY)
Acca..
Hey Acca,
Thanks Brother, I will download what I don't already have and then re-post them.
Thanks again!
All the Best
Chris
Chris !!
Here is Ruslan Kulabuhov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w) channel and his video clips, his method is that of Akula0083..
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I)
Acca...
Quote from: Acca on April 24, 2014, 05:14:40 AM
Chris !!
Here is Ruslan Kulabuhov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w) channel and his video clips, his method is that of Akula0083..
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I)
Acca...
Hey Acca,
Yeah have seen some of his videos. Thanks for the Links!
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
I am going to go out on a limb just a little here. I watched a video today that I had not seen before. Its got some merit to it and also can be corroborated in another area.
The Video: Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLwcoSRnXsjhUx6qiNWM0E8vQI7aEGm3_o&feature=player_detailpage&v=PPHipGkfSAY)
The other information that can be cross referenced against is from: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Gennady%20Markov%20--%20bidirectional%20current%20transformer.doc)
He also has a Russian Patent: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer: Patent CA2224708 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/ca2224708.pdf)
I just wonder if they could be more related than we know?
All the Best
Chris
QuoteOne person in particular had told me that if we have Positive Energy flowing in a Coil E.G Our Input, and we have another Coil sitting beside this coil then the other Coil can under some circumstances Induce a Negative Energy Flow.
Your friend knew more than he was telling, bounce the bemf between the two they will drive each other, and pull in extra energy.
One becomes pos charged and one becomes neg charged, they will pull apart the aether and collect energy.
An ionization circuit can be added to pull in some serious power.
Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.
Quote from: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 07:54:55 AM
Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.
So in your opinion aether not only exists, but it can be separated in two components.
I wonder why aether hasn't it slowed down the Earth as it plows through it in its orbit?
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 07:28:57 AM
Hi All,
I am going to go out on a limb just a little here. I watched a video today that I had not seen before. Its got some merit to it and also can be corroborated in another area.
The Video: Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLwcoSRnXsjhUx6qiNWM0E8vQI7aEGm3_o&feature=player_detailpage&v=PPHipGkfSAY)
The other information that can be cross referenced against is from: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Gennady%20Markov%20--%20bidirectional%20current%20transformer.doc)
He also has a Russian Patent: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer: Patent CA2224708 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/ca2224708.pdf)
I just wonder if they could be more related than we know?
All the Best
Chris
Did you notice that the two waveform images you posted don't correspond? The waveform on the scope is not like the waveform in the diagram. Look at where the zero-crossings are. In the diagram all signals are out of phase.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
Hi All,
IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!
This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.
Hi Chris,
I am not able to unzip the file you posted, can you re-post it again. Thanks.
Oscar.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
How many times do we have to go through this?
The first image below is from the video.
The second image below is from the data sheet. Do you see now the "mirror image" ? The GAP contains the adjustment pot and the LED. The DC output terminals are closest to this gap, NOT THE EDGE OF THE PSU. This is confirmed by both data sheets.
If you want to argue this point please provide some new data that contradicts the data sheets and the photographs !!
THE DC terminals are nearer the center of the unit. The terminals closest to the edge are the AC MAINS input terminals.
Do you have trouble displaying images inline?
This one looks more like it, it has the POT on the right side and the input on the left...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-5A-25W-Switching-Power-Supply-110V-220V-AC-to-DC-5V-Adapter-For-LED-Strip/1754693305.html
Oscar.
And it has the mains input closest to the edge of the case and the DC output closest to the "gap" containing the pot and the LED. Just as I have always said, just as both the data sheets I've posted indicate, just as is standard for this type of PSU...
Thanks, Oscar...
I think this in a new video ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP_Y0Le6Wg
Osca.r
I believe this is the schematics !!!! :)
Hi Thestone,
Your circuit diagram is different from above Akula0083 new video! Consider carefully you will notice. . .
Quote from: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
Hi Thestone,
Your circuit diagram is different from above Akula0083 new video! Consider carefully you will notice. . .
Yes you are right, sorry... :-[
But I think we have some of the schematic on the video, maybe another guys can figure more out...
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing! I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D
Quote from: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing! I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D
That will be great if someone can find it!!! with it I am sure we can replicate it, as we have the video of how he makes the coils with a flyback transformer core, I wonder where I can buy just the core's of flyback transformers, I just bought the Power supply from china.
:)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 24, 2014, 10:11:20 AM
Did you notice that the two waveform images you posted don't correspond? The waveform on the scope is not like the waveform in the diagram. Look at where the zero-crossings are. In the diagram all signals are out of phase.
Hey TinselKoala,
Yes, I was more so meaning the similarity between them and not so much the lack of. In the documents I posted, they also explain the similarity's between the field structures (Opposing or a term antiphase) and how they can be used.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 07:54:55 AM
Your friend knew more than he was telling, bounce the bemf between the two they will drive each other, and pull in extra energy.
One becomes pos charged and one becomes neg charged, they will pull apart the aether and collect energy.
An ionization circuit can be added to pull in some serious power.
Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.
Hey Dave,
I don't yet know for sure, but I can imagine something like this going on also!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing! I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D
TinselKoala, Thestone and havuhung,
Nice Spotting on the power supply and good find on the schematics!
The Channel:
Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos) is a Channel I created and have been uploading Akula0083 videos too.
If you have an Akula Video that have not already uploaded then let me know and I will send you the User details to upload.
Call it safeguarding the videos for all out there!
All the Best
Chris
Someone has the last diagram akula 1 watt?
Which has a single IC.
Thank you!
Quote from: alejandroguille on April 24, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
Someone has the last diagram akula 1 watt?
Which has a single IC.
You mean this one (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137291/) with the 14-pin DIP chip entirely disconnected?
Quote from: verpies on April 24, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
So in your opinion aether not only exists, but it can be separated in two components.
I wonder why aether hasn't it slowed down the Earth as it plows through it in its orbit?
The outer layer ionosphere is pos the earth is neg the dielectric layer the atmosphere is the air you breath.
When two particles of opposite polarity join they become neutral this forms the dielectric layer, this is the aether and yes you have to separated it to collect it.
Quote from: verpies on April 24, 2014, 05:12:03 PM
You mean this one (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137291/) with the 14-pin DIP chip entirely disconnected?
That same!
Thank you!
You could make it work?
Quote from: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 05:14:45 PM
When two particles of opposite polarity join they become neutral this forms the dielectric layer, this is the aether and yes you have to separated it to collect it.
but why would separating these charges require less work than collecting and joining them back together ?
Folks,
have you seen Stefan's post here on Akula's 1kW video?
http://www.overunity.com/13863/stivep1-tesla-rehash-akula-device/msg399414/#msg399414
Quote from: verpies on April 24, 2014, 06:04:38 PM
but why would separating these charges require less work than collecting and joining them back together ?
A simple ionization circuit separates the aether, pos and neg charged coils can do the same. Put the two together.
We can charge two electrodes pos and neg, we can charge two coils pos and neg
Opposites attract so a neg charged coil will have a pos return, which we see all the time, some are calling it radiant energy, cold electricity and countless other names.
A pos charged coil will have a neg return, the missing component :)
When we us a battery to pulse a coil we are using neg electrons this gives the coil an overall neg charge its return will be pos.
Your already seeing it Iv noticed it in your posts, you will put it all together.
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance maybe
I see Nuclear Aether Separation already happening in our circuits.
Quote from: gyulasun on April 24, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
Folks,
have you seen Stefan's post here on Akula's 1kW video?
http://www.overunity.com/13863/stivep1-tesla-rehash-akula-device/msg399414/#msg399414
If I am not mistaken, this is the same person....
That is why all new videos of Akula have the "Steho Energy AG" as a splash screen...
http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG
It looks like these german people bought into the work of these two russian guys, and they maybe deleting all videos...
Quote from: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
If I am not mistaken, this is the same person....
http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG
Hey Thestone,
Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
Hey Thestone,
Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?
All the Best
Chris
if you see this video, you will see the same person on the http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG (use chrome to translate automaticly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWXNwpEwsk
It looks like these german people bought into the work of these two russian guys, and they maybe deleting all videos...
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
Hey Thestone,
Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?
All the Best
Chris
Apologies, I think I see what you're saying: Arthur Tränkle of Steho Energy AG (http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Datei:Arthur_Tr%C3%A4nkle.png)
Yes, I see dirty old $100+ Nike shoes for kicking around the yard he has on! spells doom for free distribution of information on this device maybe?
All the Best
Chris
Hello everyone,
Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 19:00
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Scheduled conference with Akula0083 in Teamspeak globalwave.us
What a Teamspeak and how to use it?
everything is explained here ....
globalwave.us / index.php / GlobalWave: FAQ: VoiceChat
Connect via:
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Another channel ...
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Что за тимспик и как им пользоваться?
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to: Thestone
It's possible that you are right ! clips removed !!
http://www.borderlands.de/net_pdf/NET0911S4-15.pdf (http://www.borderlands.de/net_pdf/NET0911S4-15.pdf)
Here is attached pdf. in German about this "latest clip" from Wesley. I think his name is Arthur Trankle...
You have to cut and paste the sections that you want to read from this document in Google translate..
This is from 2011.
Acca..[/font]
Quote from: Acca on April 24, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Hello everyone,
Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 19:00
Moscow Kiev
Scheduled conference with Akula0083 in Teamspeak globalwave.us
What a Teamspeak and how to use it?
everything is explained here ....
globalwave.us / index.php / GlobalWave: FAQ: VoiceChat
Connect via:
globalwave.no-ip.org
//....
Hey Acca,
Thanks a ton for the info! I wonder if anyone is able to translate it for the non Russian Speaking People out there like me?
Its very good information to have. Thanks again!
All the Best
Chris
Hi Everyone,
This is a short piece of information that I want to pass to you all as a heads up :).
In the past I have been contacted by various people out there and asked to work for them. These people are typically small EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED groups of scientists, Finance, PR and general Dust Kickers. These people, I can only surmise, work for the big corporates, and keep people off the streets so to speak.
Their PR Guys ID devices or technology that may be 'of use' and make contact with the inventors and befriend them.
The Scientists identify the device's or Technology and access it - to see if 'Something needs to be done!'
Then they run circles around the Poor Dumb Inventor and wrap it up so tight that they don't know what to do in the mornings when they get up. Some turn to Booze/Drugs, like a well known identity most of you have no doubt seen a lot of publicity on lately.
So I urge you and all others following - Don't get tied up in this game they play. You can see it a mile away if you know what to look for. Most of them can be traced back to small Energy Companies that have no real Product or any visible form of income to support their Floor Space and Personal. They typically like to be seen in expensive Shoes/Suits. the top Guys are rarely seen, they tend to send their PR Guys that mostly don't know any better and its just a job to them.
For our children's sake, and our children's children sakes, let common sense talk and not money!
I am wishing Roman aka Akula0083, well in my thoughts as it appears from the outside that he may be tied up in this. The PR Guys troll all the forums, websites and any where they can find info...
All the Best
Chris
P.S: I have never worked for any of these 'companies' only had offers.
Quote from: Acca on April 24, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Hello everyone,
Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 19:00
Moscow Kiev
Scheduled conference with Akula0083 in Teamspeak globalwave.us
What a Teamspeak and how to use it?
everything is explained here ....
globalwave.us / index.php / GlobalWave: FAQ: VoiceChat
....
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The thing I dont understand is that, Moscow is in Russia and Kiev is in Ukraine...
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Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 08:03:48 PM
Apologies, I think I see what you're saying: Arthur Tränkle of Steho Energy AG (http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Datei:Arthur_Tr%C3%A4nkle.png)
Yes, I see dirty old $100+ Nike shoes for kicking around the yard he has on! spells doom for free distribution of information on this device maybe?
All the Best
Chris
The Fish is on the hook.....
Quote from: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
The thing I dont understand is that, Moscow is in Russia and Kiev is in Ukraine...
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Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 Kiev time zone /19:00 Moscow time zone ?
Quote from: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
That will be great if someone can find it!!! with it I am sure we can replicate it, as we have the video of how he makes the coils with a flyback transformer core, I wonder where I can buy just the core's of flyback transformers, I just bought the Power supply from china.
:)
Hi Thestone,
Components for the assembly to the circuit board for testing. I was just a bit of experience: About ferrite core you can find in the old CRT monitor it very cheap but good quality. These components subject to high voltages such as ceramic capacitors, MOSFET, diode current working voltage and large, you should not use the product in China, because of the extraordinary damage (unnecessary) headaches!!! But if source electronic components provides new Ebay USA, there is nothing controversial.
Hope that helps
Regards
For all to benefit!
I have started a thread: Reliable and Flexible Switching System (http://www.overunity.com/14566/reliable-and-flexible-switching-system/new/#new)
This is so we can all pull resources and build a Reliable and Flexible Switching System that can be controlled from a Laptop or a PC that can do virtually anything we want. On my Unit I have H-Bridge Mode and Single Switching Mode.
This, I hope will be one of the biggest and most useful things that people have come across to date.
Please, experts if we all contribute just a little bit...
All the Best
Chris
Beauty! Now if you can make it controllable by Arduino....
(No, I'm not kidding, that would be very useful.)
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 11:37:15 PM
Then they run circles around the Poor Dumb Inventor and wrap it up so tight that they don't know what to do in the mornings when they get up. Some turn to Booze/Drugs,
Booze is a drug.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 03:19:23 AM
Beauty! Now if you can make it controllable by Arduino....
(No, I'm not kidding, that would be very useful.)
Hey TinselKoala,
It is an absolute piece of Gold! Yes very useful!
I am using a FEZ Panda ii to control it through USB Serial Interface from my PC. Its a very handy bit of hardware!
So again a call to all - Check out the thread and contribute!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: verpies on April 25, 2014, 03:23:50 AM
Booze is a drug.
Thanks Verpies.
I can just tell you're a bit of a guru! I can read it in your words! Common, through out a few High Tech Circuits in the new Thread I created, common? ;)
All the Best
Chris
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That chart is screwy. What are the criteria for "harmfulness"? Alcohol and tobacco are by far the most harmful drugs in that chart. The cost in lives and property damage from those two drugs alone is immense. All of the other drugs pale in comparison. Some might cause greater immediate personal harm, but because they are not so widely used the total harm from them is minimal, negligible even, compared to the 300,000 people who die from tobacco every year in the USA alone.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 25, 2014, 03:55:15 AM
I'm loosing track of all the videos posted and then subsequently quickly removed by Akula but the following clip has me a bit perplexed. I have highlighted with red arrows, two soldered connections on the underside of the circuit board from the 'SMPS' video, one of which appears directly under a potentiometer and the other just to the side, where there should be no connections looking at the top of the board. Both connections are to a common negative bus-bar which connects to the 9V start battery.
Hoppy
Hey Hoppy,
We have been collecting and saving the Akula Videos and re-posting them here: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos)
If you have downloaded some that I have not already re-posted. Please let us know.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 25, 2014, 04:01:41 AM
Hey Hoppy,
We have been collecting and saving the Akula Videos and re-posting them here: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos)
If you have downloaded some that I have not already re-posted. Please let us know.
All the Best
Chris
Thanks for the link.
Hoppy
Quote from: Hoppy on April 25, 2014, 03:55:15 AM
I'm loosing track of all the videos posted and then subsequently quickly removed by Akula but the following clip has me a bit perplexed. I have highlighted with red arrows, two soldered connections on the underside of the circuit board from the 'SMPS' video, one of which appears directly under a potentiometer and the other just to the side, where there should be no connections looking at the top of the board. Both connections are to a common negative bus-bar which connects to the 9V start battery.
Hoppy
Ugh. I hate pad-per-hole prototyping. Better to use plain board with holes on 0.1 inch centers, and either wire-wrap or buswire point-to-point wiring.
I have no idea what those points could be. What video is it from, is there a pic of the topside of the board?
Have you seen the video where the guy lights up an incandescent bulb, even puts it into a glass of water, using wires so fine they don't show up on the video at all?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 04:10:07 AM
Ugh. I hate pad-per-hole prototyping. Better to use plain board with holes on 0.1 inch centers, and either wire-wrap or buswire point-to-point wiring.
I have no idea what those points could be. What video is it from, is there a pic of the topside of the board?
Have you seen the video where the guy lights up an incandescent bulb, even puts it into a glass of water, using wires so fine they don't show up on the video at all?
See Akula0083 Lantern No.3 here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos). There is one of the same type of pots on the 3V flashlight board
Yes, the thin wire and HV supply. One of the many tricks of the trade!
Ah, I think I see it. The arrowed points are not under/beside the pots, they are actually the case mounting tabs. So one case mounting tab of each of the two pots is soldered to the ground bus, I think. The third pot has the tabs bent out instead of in and not soldered.
Look at the width of the pots on the topside of the board, then compare to your bottom image.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 04:29:44 AM
Ah, I think I see it. The arrowed points are not under/beside the pots, they are actually the case mounting tabs. So one case mounting tab of each of the two pots is soldered to the ground bus, I think. The third pot has the tabs bent out instead of in and not soldered.
Look at the width of the pots on the topside of the board, then compare to your bottom image.
Yes, I can now see that the connection I'm looking at is a tab.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 04:01:35 AM
That chart is screwy. What are the criteria for "harmfulness"?
The chart is not screwy.
The criteria are: Physical Harm, Social Harm, Dependence.
It is derived from the per capita chart below - compiled by ACMD in UK.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 25, 2014, 03:55:15 AM
I'm loosing track of all the videos posted and then subsequently quickly removed by Akula but the following clip has me a bit perplexed. I have highlighted with red arrows, two soldered connections on the underside of the circuit board from the 'SMPS' video, one of which appears directly under a potentiometer and the other just to the side, where there should be no connections looking at the top of the board. Both connections are to a common negative bus-bar which connects to the 9V start battery.
Hoppy
Hi Hoppy,
Quick to complete a circuit board, this guy was using printed circuit boards available drill hole. Hence the common ground components becomes difficult to see, difficult to distinguish. I intend to draw the diagram on the circuit board, is not easy. . .
Guys, can you please not litter this thread with off-topic posts?
In regards to fake or not - build one as per several videos yourself with Strontium based ferrite core and achieve same scope shots then we can talk.. ;)
P.S. you can redraw correct circuits from PCB layouts shown and from elements on the board which is quite easy to recognize for their values...
The basics
The core of the devices
In regards to fake or not - build one as per several videos yourself with Strontium based ferrite core and achieve same scope shots then we can talk..
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I have several cores laying around, but I am not sure what they are made of. I was wondering if anyone has measured (or could measure) the resistance of of a Strontium based ferrite core for reference.
The cores that I have,,,, have a resistance of 42 k ohms (measured with my VOM Meter leads about one inch apart.
As always, thank you and have a great day: br549
Quote from: br549 on April 25, 2014, 07:51:19 AM
In regards to fake or not - build one as per several videos yourself with Strontium based ferrite core and achieve same scope shots then we can talk..
I have several cores laying around, but I am not sure what they are made of. I was wondering if anyone has measured (or could measure) the resistance of of a Strontium based ferrite core for reference.
The cores that I have,,,, have a resistance of 42 k ohms (measured with my VOM Meter leads about one inch apart.
As always, thank you and have a great day: br549
Why you need know core resistance?
By way, I have exatly core like in akula video, I get it from flayback transformer of monitor CRT. :)
V8carlos was doing the same thing only he used a bifilar wound coil and ran the bemf around and through the other winding.
He reported anomalous results as well, just never showed a self running device.
The principle is basically the same.
That I can say about akula latern with flayback core? One frenquency is 4-7 herc or 15 kiloherc about, other about or 15 kiloherc or 400 kiloherc about. Duty cycle one frenquency and other is 45 precents from TL494, but that probarly not wery important that duty cycle. Here is two primaries coils and one secondary. One primary have about 7 turns, other about 12 turns and secondary about 19 turns. From secondary going to shotkeys 4 diodes to get DC curent to icapasitors. From this capasitors getting energy primarys coils that is pumped with mosfets. One mosfet for one primary coil. Baisicly, I think, two primaries can have same numbers of turns, 11-13 turns. Need then ajysting replase places ends of one coil/ Then again ajust. How you see, then he disconect battery, then LED light dimer, because it then work not on 9 volts, but let say on 7 volts, so better run from 6 volts this circuit and then curent drobs to zero, then is selfrunning.
Quote from: Dave45 on April 25, 2014, 07:37:27 AM
The basics
The core of the devices
Hi Dave45,
Have the way to a screenshot. jpg example? select the component elements placed on this screenshot, from electronic circuit drawing software! do so for comparison with components on the circuit board assembly Akula. But when creating new files, from electronic circuit drawing software to allow only a blank page to work!
Comments help. . .
Regards
Quote from: havuhung on April 25, 2014, 01:20:45 AM
Hi Thestone,
Components for the assembly to the circuit board for testing. I was just a bit of experience: About ferrite core you can find in the old CRT monitor it very cheap but good quality. These components subject to high voltages such as ceramic capacitors, MOSFET, diode current working voltage and large, you should not use the product in China, because of the extraordinary damage (unnecessary) headaches!!! But if source electronic components provides new Ebay USA, there is nothing controversial.
Hope that helps
Regards
Thanks for your Comment havuhung, but I been buying things from china directly for many years and never had problems, the web site where I buy things is aliexpress.com.
Besides the fact that 99% of the electronics in the world comes from china... you phone, your tv, you computer, all electronics components, etc... and I am in Mexico, when I buy something in china, they send it free, and takes 15 days to get here, but I save me 80% of what I can buy it on the stores here...
But I was looking just to buy the core, not the flyback and take out the core... someone has to sell it...
Thanks.
Quote from: Dave45 on April 25, 2014, 07:37:27 AM
The basics
The core of the devices
No man, that's not it.
The primary is two winds in bucking mode (center tap) and pulsed from BOTH the outside ends. hahaha We have been barking up the wrong tree for a while.
@all1
About the PS that everyone was making a big stink about. If it has a low voltage input alarm and shut off, Akula must have disabled it. If it does not have such a feature, then he is using the PS as a voltage to amperage converter or he could even be using this backward. Actual minimum input voltage would not be an issue. The seal is broken, so what? Any respectable OUers would have all his PSs open at some time or another if not to replace a blown component or to see how it works or to modify it. Just normal OUer activity so why make such a stink besides to waste so many pages.
@all2
Can you all please refrain from over posting on this thread. Maybe consider that everything you need to say is not directly related to the device, then keep it for yourself. We don't need 70 opinions of nail color. If you can sleuth and map the AK30 board photo to the schematic diagram on that same page that would be considered as "useful" for moving forward.
wattsup
Notice the similarity's
Hi Thestone,
I agree with you, just my own opinion, when I repaired my inverter having problems burning components originating from China!!!
Ferrite cores you can still order from Alibaba. . .
Quote from: wattsup on April 25, 2014, 08:55:20 AM
No man, that's not it.
The primary is two winds in bucking mode (center tap) and pulsed from BOTH the outside ends. hahaha We have been barking up the wrong tree for a while.
wattsup
Yes it can be done like your thinking with a little help :)
I have not finished building this, so no guarantee's ;)
Hey Dave
Do you know the frequency range that mazzilli can reach? Especially without tank capacitor at the primary just with the capacitance of the mosfets, what would be the maximum switching frequency?
Thanks
Jeg
Quote from: MenofFather on April 25, 2014, 08:34:30 AM
Why you need know core resistance?
By way, I have exatly core like in akula video, I get it from flayback transformer of monitor CRT. :)
Different core materials have different resistances. I am just trying to determine what type of material is in the cores that I have on hand. There is no numbers on the cores.
As alwaysw, thank you and have a great day.
br549
Quote from: Dave45 on April 25, 2014, 09:09:11 AM
Yes it can be done like your thinking with a little help :)
I have not finished building this, so no guarantee's ;)
The connection o negative side from Mazilli should pointing to that diode bridge instead. Then second connection from diodes AC side to the negative. In other words - the tranformer primary should be connected as choke and its output looped back to the input.
Otherwise you have conventional transformer circuit....
Here's where the circuit gets a neg boost to drive the primary's
Quote from: Jeg on April 25, 2014, 09:34:46 AM
Hey Dave
Do you know the frequency range that mazzilli can reach? Especially without tank capacitor at the primary just with the capacitance of the mosfets, what would be the maximum switching frequency?
Thanks
Jeg
Hey Jeg
Not sure, the cap and coil turns regulate the frequency,If I remember correctly mine ran at 21kz with 10 turns 18 ga on each side with .68uf 1000v cap.
Its been awhile since I ran it, hope to get time to put it together again this weekend.
I havent ran it without the tank cap, the drawback with the mazzilli is the high amp draw but I hope to bring that under control.
Something interesting that I intend to explore more, I wound a toroid like a joule thief and hooked it to the mazzilli, the joule thief coils wouldnt let the circuit push current through so the amp draw was nill and was getting some serious bemf. magamp.
Hi All,
I have had a skim through the thread once more and I can not yet see any mention of it, so I would like to bring to everyone's attention.
Akula was following 'Victor (DIN) avalanche Victor (DIN) avalanche experiment' (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134807-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-eksperiment.html&usg=ALkJrhjDEBGmsRkc55SFBLlK-yk4ZxGGCg) on one of the Russian Forum!
Apparently this was supposed to be up to COP = 2.5.
Does anyone know more about this?
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: T-1000 on April 25, 2014, 10:33:22 AM
The connection o negative side from Mazilli should pointing to that diode bridge instead. Then second connection from diodes AC side to the negative. In other words - the tranformer primary should be connected as choke and its output looped back to the input.
Otherwise you have conventional transformer circuit....
Your right the whole circuit is nothing out of the ordinary, the secondary's feed into a dual rail, the neg rail loops back to run the circuit and the pos rail is the out put.
Its the chokes that are catching the bemf from the primary's that will give the circuit a boost.
Hi All,
I have spent HOURS uploading videos to the -->Akula Vids<-- (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos) channel. Currently I have 16 Videos uploaded. Some videos I have downloaded from other channels. I think there is about three videos thus far!
If there are any other videos I have not already posted, let me know and I will obtain and upload for all to share!
All the Best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie
I think I have somewhere downloaded several of his videos related to TPU. I am on tablet now. Will be back to u later on if u want.
Quote from: John.K1 on April 26, 2014, 04:20:11 AM
Hi EMJunkie
I think I have somewhere downloaded several of his videos related to TPU. I am on tablet now. Will be back to u later on if u want.
Sounds like a good plan John.K1!
I have a few up already but I also know I am missing a lot.
All the Best
Chris
P.S. I have also sent a request to Stivep1 (Wesley) for any of the originals he may have still. Not yet heard back from him so if any of you know him and are in contact with him then let him know about the cause!
Thanks for collecting all those videos into one place. When you can go through them in sequence it's easy to see that Akula is violating Conservation of Miracles.
:P
Re circuit, it's just a simple Osc, by way Transistors are off till they reach peek AC where they 'clap out' (zener effect like with an SCR) like an SCR and a Diac, but he has put them in a string to get a high voltage versus current swing in his tank coil the choke and capacitor, (cap and coil are out of phase), that's dumped into that string of lamps, note though if volts is to high it will kill the mos fet, to me you need something between switching string of transistors and mosfet, like R and zener but that will bleed current but no more than that Pot on the gate. does that help ?
Have you seen this clip yet ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy0B8EbO7s
and this one.
A guy holding a device with some LEDs, speaking in German.... no, haven't seen that one yet. Somehow I don't think he's quite up to 30 Watts.
(If your diagram is the "large" version.... I would like to see the "small" one! )
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 05:16:59 AM
Thanks for collecting all those videos into one place. When you can go through them in sequence it's easy to see that Akula is violating Conservation of Miracles.
:P
Hahaha Thanks TK!
Miracles, if they were part of Thermodynamics, I don't think it would be so difficult to solve riddles. Unless this is the 3rd or 4th Law?
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 26, 2014, 06:05:11 AM
Re circuit, it's just a simple Osc, by way Transistors are off till they reach peek AC where they 'clap out' (zener effect like with an SCR) like an SCR and a Diac, but he has put them in a string to get a high voltage versus current swing in his tank coil the choke and capacitor, (cap and coil are out of phase), that's dumped into that string of lamps, note though if volts is to high it will kill the mos fet, to me you need something between switching string of transistors and mosfet, like R and zener but that will bleed current but no more than that Pot on the gate. does that help ?
Hey AlienGrey,
Thanks I see where you're going, but I bought this up for a slightly different reason.
I read an article sometime back now about Avalanche Currents, I cant remember what or who it was on exactly now :o
There is a commonality here. Its trying to pull down the ve+ rail, to interrupt currents, maybe its to cause an Avalanche Current?
Seems to be something that could be worth investigating?
Stivep1 has the Video here: -->Akula video #16<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo)
I think its important to point out, the second coil where its marked 'Negative Back EMF' is of no use to the circuit except only to create a LC or some may like to see RC Tank for switching the HEX Inverter! Thus in turn the Fet is Switched! Then the ve+ Rail is pulled down! So you can see where I am going here?
Others out there please feel free to point out thoughts on this. TK Your input would be much appreciated?
Anyway its a possibility.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 26, 2014, 07:06:11 AM
Have you seen this clip yet ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy0B8EbO7s
and this one.
Hey AlienGrey, Yes! its very good. I was glued to the topic when I saw this device and the one before it. See here for more Info: -->My Research on the GLED<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance)
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: John.K1 on April 26, 2014, 04:20:11 AM
Hi EMJunkie
I think I have somewhere downloaded several of his videos related to TPU. I am on tablet now. Will be back to u later on if u want.
Thanks John.K1 - Yeah please, let's save all for others. We all deserve access to this information!
All the Best
Chris
QuoteI think its important to point out, the second coil where its marked 'Negative Back EMF' is of no use to the circuit except only to create a LC or some may like to see RC Tank for switching the HEX Inverter! Thus in turn the Fet is Switched! Then the ve+ Rail is pulled down! So you can see where I am going here?
Yes, that's what I thought too. Turning the mosfet ON pulls down the positive rail, and if he eliminates the 2200 uF input capacitor as he seems to be saying in the video, then the 34063 chip will momentarily lose power I think (it shuts down at a bit over 2 volts in my testing). This could account for the seeming dependence of the frequency of the spiky signal on the amplitude of the sinus. However I have not been able to get my circuit to do this yet.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 08:50:49 AM
Yes, that's what I thought too. Turning the mosfet ON pulls down the positive rail, and if he eliminates the 2200 uF input capacitor as he seems to be saying in the video, then the 34063 chip will momentarily lose power I think (it shuts down at a bit over 2 volts in my testing). This could account for the seeming dependence of the frequency of the spiky signal on the amplitude of the sinus. However I have not been able to get my circuit to do this yet.
Precisely TK!
RC Time constant in there and yes a discharge of Supply Power to the 34063 chip. In-fact the whole circuit!
But this is very close to what appears to be going on in -->Victor (DIN) avalanche Victor (DIN) avalanche experiment<-- (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134807-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-eksperiment.html)
Only a resonant effect quite possible caused by the very RC Time constant we just spoke about.
The 34063 Chip uses some very cool tech!
QuoteThe error amplifier monitors the output voltage level, compares it to the reference and generates a linear control signal that varies between two extremes, saturation and cutoff. This signal is used to vary the resistance of the series–pass element in a corrective fashion in order to maintain a constant output voltage under varying input voltage and output load conditions.
See: -->AN920/D - Theory and Applications of the MC34063...<-- (http://www.intusoft.com/onsemipdfs/an920-d.pdf)
So if the Chip starts to loose power, it will automatically try to compensate, of course to a point! Like you say, a bit over 2 volts.
Well Hope this helps!
All the Best
Chris
P.S: I believe this Video: -->New Movie 1 Impuls<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-VboAjfViw) shows Akula doing an experiment on this exact thing! I believe this to be a Circuit Equivalent of the -->Victor (DIN) avalanche Victor (DIN) avalanche experiment<-- (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134807-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-viktor-din-lavinnyj-proboj-eksperiment.html)
Hello all; no disrespect but Akula's coil is bot like this, see pic, also what circuit are you going to use, and what might the resonant frequency be, with the former fitted, the main thing to notice is the format of the coil used and the way it is layered on the former or core. Also shouldn't we observe the golden rule of gain in this design ? Ie 1 2 3 4 7 11 ect in our modulation and Akula uses 2 x 494's he must use a totem pole effect for modulation, but then all you guys are more experienced at this type of quantum physics than I am. ;)
cheers for now Grey PS how to convert BMP to another format?
German Guy in ever lasting torch video is same guy in Akula video, any one notice ?
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 26, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
German Guy in ever lasting torch video is same guy in Akula video, any one notice ?
http://www.psiram.com/ge/images/4/40/Arthur_Tr%C3%A4nkle.png
Yeap. Arthur Trankle again of Steho Energy AG. I highly suspect this guy is stringing Roman along, which is why he will not divulge all his secrets. Sure would be nice if Wesley could have a serious talk with Roman and straighten out his thinking. Of course it may be too late--Roman may have already signed legal documents.
Смотреть змея съесть акулу.
Hi All,
I found a very interesting quote from Akula today:
Quote
lx23 writes:
Quote
yes about winding trance shark do not lie to people he did not dangle 3 wires at the same time you though you know how to wind though the mind is not enough you have to do it or the author shared among not-tion :laugh:
akula0083 writes:
Quote
All schemes to develop and execute on principles of operation (Trangenerator magnetic field Andrey Melnichenko)
and what to do with Pantyuhavu have!
This is from the following link: -->Akula0083 GENERAL Theme 1<-- (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134551-akula0083-obshhaya-tema-1.html?start=1098)
I hope this is of some use to all following. It also points to the fact that the coils we have been looking at and the ones I have shown previously are the same as the ones Akula was looking at.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 26, 2014, 10:58:37 PM
I hope this is of some use to all following. It also points to the fact that the coils we have been looking at and the ones I have shown previously are the same as the ones Akula was looking at.
So Chris, do you think with some basic switching, triggered with a standard pulse generator, that we have enough to go on? No crazy core materials or special coil wires? I personally like "simple" as a solution. Something anyone can do, show to work and then improve on and optimize if possible. So far it has been elusive to even get in the ballpark.
Quote from: Dog-One on April 27, 2014, 01:05:22 AM
So Chris, do you think with some basic switching, triggered with a standard pulse generator, that we have enough to go on? No crazy core materials or special coil wires? I personally like "simple" as a solution. Something anyone can do, show to work and then improve on and optimize if possible. So far it has been elusive to even get in the ballpark.
Hey Dog-One,
Absolutely! Yes, look in the history books! Very few devices had 'EXOTIC' materials. Sometimes they were claimed to have used 'EXOTIC' materials but none were ever found and reported to be true as far as I am aware. I can only think of two devices in History out of hundreds:
1: Moray Tube was said to have contained Germanium or Swiss Stone. This was never proven and was only speculated that this was the secret to operation.
2: Alfred Hubbard said he used Radium. Also a speculation and never proven. Radium is radio active as far as I know and using it with out the proper protective procedures could have spelled death! So hey, bit of common sense, tells me that this was rubbish.
Another example but this time, logic prevails also, Lester J Hendershot, Coils, Capacitors an Permanent Magnet and some Iron bar! Its all he used and ran 300 Watts and at the same time the device ran itself! It was reported that Floyd Sweet 'CONDITIONED' his Magnets! This I have proven to be rubbish!
So yes, I am 100% sure its achievable!
Some things may have to be taken into account. There could be some phase shifting in these devices and more than one input signal may be needed! See this example: -->www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv) also see Akula's instruction in Stivep1's video: -->Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device)<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHipGkfSAY)
People have done it before, the old guys had nothing but basic stuff to use, they had Coils of Wire, Permanent Magnets, Capacitors and what ever else was laying around. They also had an intuitive mind which seems to be something we are slowly loosing! Powers that be want a DUMB population so they are easy to control!
So think outside the box! You will be criticised by some! But look at what those have achieved by those that did! Akula thought outside the box! We will see commonalities, areas where these devices can run where things go a bit haywire and do things that may not be expected to do by the University Physics Professor! Hey this is a good thing!
In the below pictures please take note of the Phase Shifting on the Input Signals, Akula had shown this several times in Schematics and Videos.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: Its also another possibility that this Phase Shifting may create Avalanche Currents that we were speaking about in previous posts. This is fully a speculation and I am not 100% sure of this. This could be the 'Pumping' that Tom Bearden talks about?
P.P.S: Clemente Figuera - Infinte Energy Device (http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm) and Also a very good page (http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258), Frolov Alexander Vladimirovich (http://www.skif.biz/index.php?name=Pages&op=page&pid=17) and many other devices use a Lenz Law reduction technique. See -->Paul Raymond Jensen<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device) for more information on this and his device. I believe this is also being used in some, maybe not all of Akula's devices to help in the operation. It may not be the main principal of operation.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for that PDF. Some reading for tonight. :)
Quote from: John.K1 on April 27, 2014, 04:03:58 AM
Hi Chris,
Thanks for that PDF. Some reading for tonight. :)
Hey John.K1,
No Problem! I always like to try to provide reference to the topic if anyone wants more information!
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
Sorry off topic here! Important though: The real reason why the Malaysian Airline MH 370 disappeared (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzmK3-tIvQ&list=UUMjd-1F53XKknIcMPtAOmJQ)
This is very compelling and they have a bunch of verifiable evidence! Spread this to all you know. Make the guilty accountable!
All the Best
Chris
Hi there,
Here is yesterdays conference recording with Roman (akula) ,myself and the rest of people - http://webfile.ru/63bd3cd22caa0cb0343e3c0c52158678
Please save it and try to translate, it contains important information.
Cheers!
Hi All,
Does anyone have documentation on ferrite core materials of Russian-made, are used in old Television, there are chemical composition is different from what is currently in the ferrite core manufactured by the Japanese? . .
Regards
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 27, 2014, 02:52:58 AM
Hey Dog-One,
Absolutely! Yes, look in the history books! Very few devices had 'EXOTIC' materials. Sometimes they were claimed to have used 'EXOTIC' materials but none were ever found and reported to be true as far as I am aware. I can only think of two devices in History out of hundreds:
1: Moray Tube was said to have contained Germanium or Swiss Stone. This was never proven and was only speculated that this was the secret to operation.
2: Alfred Hubbard said he used Radium. Also a speculation and never proven. Radium is radio active as far as I know and using it with out the proper protective procedures could have spelled death! So hey, bit of common sense, tells me that this was rubbish.
....
@EMJunkie, I was wondering if you or someone else can explain the schematic that you just posted, I am little bit rusted on my electronics, I gradiated 30 years ago and when into software LOL.
I guess the input is from the yellow sign "24-220v" AC, the gets into a full bridge rectified and over filters capacitors, then this voltage gets to feed the two n-channel mosfet, which are trigger by the PLL and the IR2111, and drive the coil, this is where I get lost... :-[ in the coils section...
or the input is over the VR1 and VR2 7805
Thanks. :)
Hi guys have a closer look at any of Akulas schismatics time after time he has shown us in many ways and we have been staring at both the problem and the answer, perhaps he could not find a way to rub our noses in a way to solve our problem, that's why he thinks we are all hopeless and he needs money to live on and buy stuff we in the west take for granted, like paying tax lol. Some have said the phase lock loop drives the mos FETs, but why would you use a phase lock loop in the first place ? to lock the frequency ? to lock the phase, do you not think that might be a clew ? personally I don't think its so much the material in the ferrite it will help though because it lowers the inductive resonant frequency of the material, hmm did i just sling you all a help line ? and don't assume i have solved the problem because i don't have the hard ware to make it happen but if you go over all Akulas stuff some thing will drop.
Hi All,
No new topics! schematic diagram of the new video-disassembled Akula0083, temporary post on here!
( Sources of member mikmur upload Realstrannik.ru )
Schematic diagram for Akula0083-disassembled. . .
( Sources of member mikmur upload Realstrannik.ru )
Nice work on the track work!, has any one found where we can get the fly back core from yet as we will need to find it's optimum resonant frequency and inductance as we will need to find the total capacitance, before you can do much more and know what is actually right, so to speak, hope the pics are of use i cant tell what any of the values are from the photo's but it will need some investigation.
Dear All and particularly Verpies.
I am presenting a video update and a few questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y3Z6Bu23KE
I think I might have something not quite right ?? There is a large DC voltage level associated with L2!! Transformer is wound T-1000 style.
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 27, 2014, 08:24:20 AM
Hi there,
Here is yesterdays conference recording with Roman (akula) ,myself and the rest of people - http://webfile.ru/63bd3cd22caa0cb0343e3c0c52158678
Please save it and try to translate, it contains important information.
Cheers!
Awesome! Thanks T-1000! Yes we need a translator!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: Thestone on April 27, 2014, 10:33:21 AM
@EMJunkie, I was wondering if you or someone else can explain the schematic that you just posted, I am little bit rusted on my electronics, I gradiated 30 years ago and when into software LOL.
I guess the input is from the yellow sign "24-220v" AC, the gets into a full bridge rectified and over filters capacitors, then this voltage gets to feed the two n-channel mosfet, which are trigger by the PLL and the IR2111, and drive the coil, this is where I get lost... :-[ in the coils section...
or the input is over the VR1 and VR2 7805
Thanks. :)
Hi Thestone,
I have not spent huge amounts of time studying this particular schematic! I would not like to explain this circuit because some of it does not make sense to me either! I would guess both sides (Voltage Regulators) and the (Exclamation Mark in the Triangle) appear to be inputs. The circuitry after the Bridge Rectifier does not make a lot of sense if this was an output! E.G: Polarised Caps on the AC Side of the bridge! Sort of a circuit error if this was the case.
There are feed back techniques used, E.G 100:0.5 turn transformer appears to feed back a clamped voltage back to the ve+ rail of C4/C5
Its possible that extra circuitry is intended to be located at the terminals pointing toward the Signal schematic! Marked Signal Advance and Signal Delay/Actual. I believe this may not be a complete circuit!
It shows what I was trying to explain in my last post however, that Akula was clearly trying to use Phase Shifted Signals to achieve something in his circuits that we may not yet be fully aware of!
I have included the datasheets on the chips, nothing special there however!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on April 27, 2014, 02:36:56 PM
Schematic diagram for Akula0083-disassembled. . .
( Sources of member mikmur upload Realstrannik.ru )
havuhung! Excellent work!
This also shows what I have been trying to explain, 'Phase Shifting' on the input signals to achieve something we may not be fully aware of yet! See: -->www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv)
Thanks for sharing!
All the Best
Chris
P.S: Remember what Tom Bearden said about interfering two waves at a distance?
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 27, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Hi guys have a closer look at any of Akulas schismatics time after time he has shown us in many ways and we have been staring at both the problem and the answer, perhaps he could not find a way to rub our noses in a way to solve our problem, that's why he thinks we are all hopeless and he needs money to live on and buy stuff we in the west take for granted, like paying tax lol. Some have said the phase lock loop drives the mos FETs, but why would you use a phase lock loop in the first place ? to lock the frequency ? to lock the phase, do you not think that might be a clew ? personally I don't think its so much the material in the ferrite it will help though because it lowers the inductive resonant frequency of the material, hmm did i just sling you all a help line ? and don't assume i have solved the problem because i don't have the hard ware to make it happen but if you go over all Akulas stuff some thing will drop.
Hey AlienGrey,
I agree, if one studies the work and the re-occurrences in Akula's work then there are a few things that are obvious! Again I am not to have all the answers, its going to be up to each and every one of us to do it together! This is part of the reason I started the -->Reliable and Flexible Switching System<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14566/reliable-and-flexible-switching-system/new/topicseen/#new) This, so all can easily and cheaply experiment with this.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 27, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
Hi Thestone,
I have not spent huge amounts of time studying this particular schematic! I would not like to explain this circuit because some of it does not make sense to me either! ...
All the Best
Chris
Hi Chris,
Yes it does not makes sense... then how we are going to replicate this, if we don't understand it... I think that there are several things in common in most of his schematics... the PLL, inverter, IR211, etc, but we need to be able to understand the circuit well in order to duplicate it, and I agree with you, there got to be some missing things on the schematics.... as I don't see either a close loop here...
But I think that the "Signal advance/Actual/delay" has to do with the phase shift you are talking about. but there is a fourth signal too, I believe.
let's see if someone else wants to take a shot... hehe ::)
Quote from: Thestone on April 27, 2014, 07:53:44 PM
Hi Chris,
Yes it does not makes sense... then how we are going to replicate this, if we don't understand it... I think that there are several things in common in most of his schematics... the PLL, inverter, IR211, etc, but we need to be able to understand the circuit well in order to duplicate it, and I agree with you, there got to be some missing things on the schematics.... as I don't see either a close loop here...
But I think that the "Signal advance/Actual/delay" has to do with the phase shift you are talking about. but there is a fourth signal too, I believe.
let's see if someone else wants to take a shot... hehe ::)
Hey Thestone,
First of all, I must apologise! I have inadvertently confused the situation. I should hot have posted this schematic! I only posted to show the concepts of Phase Shifting that is apparent in many of Akula's Schematics and not only that one.
We need to start at the start! Start with something small, the least confusing, and something we have the most information on. "Little Steps for Little Feet" is what I value the most from Richard Feynman!
I think to date, the best place to start is Akula's Lantern No 3 which -->havuhung - Akula's Lantern No 3 - Circuit<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400059/#msg400059) very kindly reverse engineered and has shared the schematic for!
We know a lot of information on this device! TV Flyback Ferrite cores are readily available either if one can salvage from an old CRT TV or source on E-Bay -->FERRITE CORE<-- (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FERRITE-CORE-UR-3C90-Part-FERROXCUBE-UR70-33-17-3C90/390813571521?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.RVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D6510866774894241536%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D20131017132637%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D390627709396)
We know the Turns and direction of the turns!
We also know the approximate frequency of: 6.910KHz Approx.
We now also know the Circuit thanks to -->havuhung - Akula's Lantern No 3 - Circuit<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400059/#msg400059)
So regarding the other, complicated, incomplete circuit I posted, please Ignore it and lets concentrate on what we do have.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: Thestone, are you able to explain the PLL (Phase Locked Loop) you can see? I don't have a lot of experience with PLL, know of it and know a little about it but not by any means experienced with it!
Edited : repeated post, sorry.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 27, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
havuhung! Excellent work!
This also shows what I have been trying to explain, 'Phase Shifting' on the input signals to achieve something we may not be fully aware of yet! See: -->www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv)
Thanks for sharing!
All the Best
Chris
P.S: Remember what Tom Bearden said about interfering two waves at a distance?
Hi EMJunkie,
Thank you.
Hi All,
Add a hand-drawn schematic diagram. . . (Realstrannik.ru)
Thanks, havuhung :)
In Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator is pach of pulses. Duty cycle is 50 precents of this pach/box. Someething like in Stanly Mayer divice. So if you not use back pach from R5 and C5 you not get selfrunning!!! And R11 must be ajusted in that possition, that be pach/boxes of pulses, or is or not is.
And how Akula say, this divice work on feroresonance.
So if you not using back pach, then you must made generator, who sends boxes of pulses. And valuses of C3 and C11 must be like in schematic, not that that more is better, more not better, can not be one, let say 2200 uF other 5000 uF, must be like in schematic.
Pulses have frenquency about 400-460 kiloherc and its duty cycle is about 10-40 precents.
Wery important wery fast close mosfet.
Here schematic, If you not make exatly like here, then not say, that it not works. But here also maybe something need ajust. Roman something speak about capasitor, who need ajust, but I not understand about that capasitor he speak. Or about C3 or about C13 or maybe about other? Also here is two feedback pachs, one from C5 capasitor, other from C13 capasitor. L3 inductor good be use like in picture ferite ring with tick white wire. It have about 20-30 mikrohenries, maybe 50 uH, but or about 200 or about 100 microhenries is to big, I now not good remeber.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 27, 2014, 08:23:39 PM
We need to start at the start! Start with something small, the least confusing, and something we have the most information on. "Little Steps for Little Feet" is what I value the most from Richard Feynman!
Hey guys
I usually don't suggest on circuits that i didn't build, but in this circuit there is something that shouts loudly!
The secondary part with diodes and C3 is the classic don smith arrangement forming a charge pump. So the most logical is to connect C3 and secondary coil (1&2), on a common earth ground so to work as a pump. After this, the ground (3) of the load, also is connected to the same earth ground to close the circuit. I would leave all the rest on battery's (-).
idea 4 ground pump
just idea
Quote from: MenofFather on April 28, 2014, 07:34:37 AM
Here schematic, If you not make exatly like here, then not say, that it not works. But here also maybe something need ajust. Roman something speak about capasitor, who need ajust, but I not understand about that capasitor he speak. Or about C3 or about C13 or maybe about other? Also here is two feedback pachs, one from C5 capasitor, other from C13 capasitor. L3 inductor good be use like in picture ferite ring with tick white wire. It have about 20-30 mikrohenries, maybe 50 uH, but or about 200 or about 100 microhenries is to big, I now not good remeber.
Do you really think that big heatsink is needed when it is "running itself"? ;)
How can anyone make it exactly like here.... since assembling the circuit itself within the Earth's magnetic field embeds a signature of the latitude of the place of assembly? If I don't make it in exactly the same place, on the same day, at the same hour, with all the planets and the moon phase the same..... it's not going to be "exactly like here". Did he use 60/40 tin lead solder? What is the insulation material on the wiring? If I have to put two resistors in parallel to make the same value as one used in the circuit... does that count as a significant difference, or not?
My point is this: when the outside builders like me do our best to "make exactly like here" and it still doesn't work.... you can _always_ find some kind of difference to blame our "failure" on. Always. Yet anyone who understands circuitry knows what kinds of substitutions and variations cannot possibly make a significant difference, and/or actually _tests_ to see if there is a difference. This "not exact duplicate" excuse for not working is called "special pleading" or post-hockery. It doesn't wash with me.
What you should really be considering is why and how Akula can make so many _different_ circuits and variations that all work for him... and him only. Are you telling me I need to use pad-per-hole board and make connections with big thick blobs of solder for it to "work"? Give me a break.
Quote from: MenofFather on April 28, 2014, 02:56:25 AM
In Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator is pach of pulses. Duty cycle is 50 precents of this pach/box. Someething like in Stanly Mayer divice. So if you not use back pach from R5 and C5 you not get selfrunning!!! And R11 must be ajusted in that possition, that be pach/boxes of pulses, or is or not is.
And how Akula say, this divice work on feroresonance.
So if you not using back pach, then you must made generator, who sends boxes of pulses. And valuses of C3 and C11 must be like in schematic, not that that more is better, more not better, can not be one, let say 2200 uF other 5000 uF, must be like in schematic.
Pulses have frenquency about 400-460 kiloherc and its duty cycle is about 10-40 precents.
Wery important wery fast close mosfet.
Hey MenofFather,
Please forgive my ignorance. Can I ask as I don't quite understand your entire meaning in your post, can you please explain what you mean by "pach/box" Is this the Circuit Board itself?
Sorry, I just want to ensure I do understand your meaning properly.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
Do you really think that big heatsink is needed when it is "running itself"? ;)
How can anyone make it exactly like here.... since assembling the circuit itself within the Earth's magnetic field embeds a signature of the latitude of the place of assembly? If I don't make it in exactly the same place, on the same day, at the same hour, with all the planets and the moon phase the same..... it's not going to be "exactly like here". Did he use 60/40 tin lead solder? What is the insulation material on the wiring? If I have to put two resistors in parallel to make the same value as one used in the circuit... does that count as a significant difference, or not?
My point is this: when the outside builders like me do our best to "make exactly like here" and it still doesn't work.... you can _always_ find some kind of difference to blame our "failure" on. Always. Yet anyone who understands circuitry knows what kinds of substitutions and variations cannot possibly make a significant difference, and/or actually _tests_ to see if there is a difference. This "not exact duplicate" excuse for not working is called "special pleading" or post-hockery. It doesn't wash with me.
What you should really be considering is why and how Akula can make so many _different_ circuits and variations that all work for him... and him only. Are you telling me I need to use pad-per-hole board and make connections with big thick blobs of solder for it to "work"? Give me a break.
Hey TK,
I hear your frustration! Others are starting to get results though. See: -->Vadik Guk - Flashlight 4 video<-- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) Roman (Akula) Posted: "Vadik bravo bravo!
RS, only the majority of questions wakes more! he does not want people to think!"
the next post is:
"Well , I will explain the principle of resonance and how to find it . Only from my pocket harder will not : - \ .
I showed in the " Torch Video 1" I found resonance with ferrite cups, now explain in detail .
On the frame is wound coil , its inductance in cups should be 115 uH, cups on a copper foil glued to it connect oscilloscope . Generator rectangle looking resonant frequency ferrite , as it is in resonance ferroelectric his sinus will increase, the maximum amplitude of the sine - our band. It is a way to learn any frequency ferrite at home :) . Then everything is simple to use this resonance - you need to take it off , this teeter LC circuit for the frequency of resonance. One end of the circuit is always connected to the incoming capacitor , and the second key is switched . Here 's how it works , but on the Soviet ferrites is easy."
So its possible we are right on the doorstep and break throughs are on the horizon!
MenofFather is just trying to help out ;)
All the Best
Chris
Excuse my ignorance in my question but, these schemes and circuits exposed here are working or are theory only? are theory about the original? sorry for my question but I did one like that is exposed here and is not working ... please if anyone can explain to me which one of the circuits are working greatly appreciate it. thank you very much in advance...
This is another Heads Up for All!
Seven (7) out of Ten (10) YouTube Videos are now gone from most of the resource websites I have frequently visited!!!! That's Right 7 out of 10. This is amazing!!!
If you come across good content please get a copy of it!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: hre_1972 on April 28, 2014, 11:33:43 PM
Excuse my ignorance in my question but, these schemes and circuits exposed here are working or are theory only? are theory about the original? sorry for my question but I did one like that is exposed here and is not working ... please if anyone can explain to me which one of the circuits are working greatly appreciate it. thank you very much in advance...
Hey Hre_1972,
Some schematics that have been posted have also had corresponding videos to show working devices. As yet no one has claimed success on this thread of a self running device.
All the Best
Chris
Thank you Chris... I understand now... no one had replicated yet!!! we will still trying... Good Luck for every one....
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 28, 2014, 05:16:17 PM
Hey TK,
I hear your frustration! Others are starting to get results though. See: -->Vadik Guk - Flashlight 4 video<-- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) Roman (Akula) Posted: "Vadik bravo bravo!
RS, only the majority of questions wakes more! he does not want people to think!"
That's a "result"? An LED glows for a few seconds, then he takes the coil apart? Heck, I have joule thiefs that work better than that. Violates the first rule of OU experimentation, too: If you have something that "works"... never NEVER take it apart! Build another one and take _that one_ apart if you must !!
Quote
the next post is:
"Well , I will explain the principle of resonance and how to find it . Only from my pocket harder will not : - \ .
I showed in the " Torch Video 1" I found resonance with ferrite cups, now explain in detail .
On the frame is wound coil , its inductance in cups should be 115 uH, cups on a copper foil glued to it connect oscilloscope . Generator rectangle looking resonant frequency ferrite , as it is in resonance ferroelectric his sinus will increase, the maximum amplitude of the sine - our band. It is a way to learn any frequency ferrite at home :) . Then everything is simple to use this resonance - you need to take it off , this teeter LC circuit for the frequency of resonance. One end of the circuit is always connected to the incoming capacitor , and the second key is switched . Here 's how it works , but on the Soviet ferrites is easy."
So its possible we are right on the doorstep and break throughs are on the horizon!
MenofFather is just trying to help out ;)
All the Best
Chris
What MoF is describing is the normal way to find a resonance using a function generator and an oscilloscope. I have illustrated this process in several videos long ago. Doorstep? Maybe. At least it's not a big Door Stop like the QEG. Easy with Soviet Ferrites.... right. Sure. Let's please see some data comparing "soviet ferrites" with "chinese ferrites" in the same circuit.
It's easy to make circuits seek their own resonance too, especially with things like CMOS inverter gates.
Hey TK,
They had the whole circuit running from the run cap, few more milliwatts than a LED, but yes I agree, maybe taking it apart may not have been the best thing to do. I think if I was in that position, and had people nagging pestering and outright harassing me then I might have done the same. He does have three other videos that show the same thing for lengths of time...
I read a Russian post (Google Translation) that said something along the lines of: You all have your Eternal Lanterns now......
The Post went on to give the impression that the Russians have had this for some time and made sure not just one person was working with this technology and that many many Russians had it. Good too I say, they deserve to have a break! They have been an oppressed Nation for so long. I know a few Russians and I have nothing but good things to say about them! Not met a bad one yet. Thing is, they are sharing, slowly they are getting the information out to people.
I agree, easy to find the resonant points in these sorts of arrangements! I can think of at least three ways to do it right now... But its a common thing they keep talking about.
LC Resonance calculations can be made that mostly are quite accurate if one can find or calculate the Coil's Distributed Capacitance. I have found it better to work back the other way though.
Yes and also from what I have heard its common to use PLL Circuits to seek and keep the resonance point. I know someone who has used them but not used it yet my self.
I would like to share a couple of Quote's:
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Resonance frequencies may be maintained quite constant at high power levels so long as the load remains constant. We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.
However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power. The frequency is a forced response and remains constant. Power is lost and efficiency becomes less and less, depending on the degree of mismatch. Let's assume the Jensen amplifying transformer is in a resonating condition.
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As load power factor and complex impedances continually vary, reflected impedance in the secondaries reflect back into the primary and then reflect back to the resonant network, L and C, which fall out of resonance and the machine's output falls virtually to zero.
For this machine to work, some means would have to be formulated to instantaneously vary the frequency to match varying load impedances. Surely a most challenging task. First, the capacitor should be removed and the inductor designed with sufficient distributed capacitance to prove integral LC. Then calculate what frequency will resonate the R.C.L. network. This will not cure the impedance problem, but will provide a more stable experimental set-up. The concept has merit but if pursued further R & D should be in the 60 Hz power frequency area.
Floyd Sweet: -->Magnetic Resonance<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Magnetic%20Resonance%20by%20Floyd%20A.%20Sweet.%20PH.%20D.pdf)
TK, we will get there, eventually ;)
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: hre_1972 on April 29, 2014, 01:03:42 AM
Thank you Chris... I understand now... no one had replicated yet!!! we will still trying... Good Luck for every one....
And you Hre_1972!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 29, 2014, 02:55:10 AM
I agree, easy to find the resonant points in these sorts of arrangements! I can think of at least three ways to do it right now... But its a common thing they keep talking about.
LC Resonance calculations can be made that mostly are quite accurate if one can find or calculate the Coil's Distributed Capacitance. I have found it better to work back the other way though.
In this case the LC resonance frequency
must match ferrite natural resonance frequency or its harmonics. Otherwise there is no added effect everyone is after. And also the effect is on nuclear level when magnetic domains are spinned for induction not only on horizontal axis but also on vertical axis which effectively make ellipsoidal ball movements in 3D space...
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 01:53:41 AM
That's a "result"? An LED glows for a few seconds, then he takes the coil apart? Heck, I have joule thiefs that work better than that. Violates the first rule of OU experimentation, too: If you have something that "works"... never NEVER take it apart! Build another one and take _that one_ apart if you must !!
What MoF is describing is the normal way to find a resonance using a function generator and an oscilloscope. I have illustrated this process in several videos long ago. Doorstep? Maybe. At least it's not a big Door Stop like the QEG. Easy with Soviet Ferrites.... right. Sure. Let's please see some data comparing "soviet ferrites" with "chinese ferrites" in the same circuit.
It's easy to make circuits seek their own resonance too, especially with things like CMOS inverter gates.
I was watching the Akula video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IjQ37TopWE where he disassembles the circuit board, and noticed that circuit board shown at 3:19 is out pf sight for a while and then you see it again at 9:35, (when he is disassembling it). I was wondering if anyone has grabbed a screenshot of the two boards, and compared the solder side for any differences. I would do it my self but don't have the software or the know-how? :-[ I am thinking that if they are identical, it would add more credibility to the video.
as always; thank you and have a great day. br549
Quote from: br549 on April 29, 2014, 08:17:55 AM
I was watching the Akula video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IjQ37TopWE where he disassembles the circuit board, and noticed that circuit board shown at 3:19 is out pf sight for a while and then you see it again at 9:35, (when he is disassembling it). I was wondering if anyone has grabbed a screenshot of the two boards, and compared the solder side for any differences. I would do it my self but don't have the software or the know-how? :-[ I am thinking that if they are identical, it would add more credibility to the video.
as always; thank you and have a great day. br549
Hey BR549,
Good Question. The look pretty good to me. See attached Pics.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: T-1000 on April 29, 2014, 07:57:06 AM
In this case the LC resonance frequency must match ferrite natural resonance frequency or its harmonics. Otherwise there is no added effect everyone is after. And also the effect is on nuclear level when magnetic domains are spinned for induction not only on horizontal axis but also on vertical axis which effectively make ellipsoidal ball movements in 3D space...
Hi T-1000,
I thought of:
It is possible that Mr Akula0083 secret of this guy, the empirical formula calculated on each type ferrite resonators to achieve optimal resonance! . . if so, when testing the circuit board we need, what tools to help job? . .
Hi All,
I play video clip numerous times on several different software, with each frame moving pictures but have not found a fake! . .
Hi All,
Updated values on the schematic diagram components Akula0083-disassembled. . .
@all
Here we go again. I mention possible button battery in the those v3 pots and all hell breaks loose. Yes it is possible. Any OUers with a responsible mind would consider that especially when the AK30 has two encased pots producing 30 watts and the v3 producing a few watts has 4 encased pots.
It is also possible that two of those pots are used in series if they are used to adjust in the 1 ohm capacity so they may not have button batteries hidden in them. We don't know but there is no point trying to overly delve into it. It was just a responsible comment.
@TK
Over at OUR in my last post I asked several questions regarding the official AK30 schematic. Not one answer or comment on those points and I will not move forward if they are not considered.
Basically we need a qualified EEer to look over the circuit and mostly the resistor, cap and pot values around the main IC and confirm that those values are within the acceptable levels for this IC to function at its peak frequency range.
You see, we get inconsistent information all the time. @T-1000 just posted that the resonance has to reach the cores resonance (simply put) to have some "nuclear" effect. But how the hell do you except to achieve anything of that level if your circuit is locked at 300KHz. Something is wrong with the values.
My preliminary tests show no resonance worth considering below 300KHz, with very high peak resonances in the 490KHZ - 1.2MHz range. Then we have the fact that the official photo of the circuit board does not match the diagram. The diagram shows three mosfets, the board shows two including a JFET type that is not even mentioned on the diagram. The actual ecore has three coils where the circuit only shows two, etc, etc.
So if you or any other qualified person can take a forensic look at the circuit, values, IC pdf, etc and ascertain their appropriateness this would be of great assistance to all. Particular concern is off pins 5 and 6. Seems to me pin 5 should be a 1n and pin 6 should total 500k but all would have to be confirmed in case Akula decided to change the real values before he published the schematic.
Then it will be to reconcile the fact that the Ecore has three coils with a total of 5 wire connections, not 4. That will be another point to figure out.
@all2
There's other sleuthing that still needs to be done. Someone with good visual component ID skills needs to look at the AK30 circuit photo and match all possible components on the board photo to the same schematic in order to identify which components on the board diverge from the schematic.
wattsup
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 29, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
Hey BR549,
Good Question. The look pretty good to me. See attached Pics.
All the Best
Chris
Chris:
I think your right. The lighting is a little different, but I think they also; both look the same.
I am currently building the Akula device that uses the MC34063A/E, but have been looking at
this one. (Depends on how the first on works out).
thank you; br549
@wattsup (http://www.overunity.com/profile/wattsup.3755/)
.
wattsup (http://www.overunity.com/profile/wattsup.3755/):
"@T-1000 just posted that the resonance has to reach the cores resonance (simply put) to have some "nuclear" effect. But how the hell do you except to achieve anything of that level if your circuit is locked at 300KHz. Something is wrong with the values."
T-1000 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/t-1000.27480/):
"In this case the LC resonance frequency must match ferrite natural resonance frequency or its harmonics."
for example: if you have yours transformers ferrite resonance 2.23 Mhz, you could reach the core resonance excitation with coils resonance on 22.3 Khz or 223 Khz
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 09:43:44 AM
Hi All,
Updated values on the schematic diagram components Akula0083-disassembled. . .
Uses two TL494, right?
You could try it?
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 09:43:44 AM
Hi All,
Updated values on the schematic diagram components Akula0083-disassembled. . .
The folks at OUR have examined and translated this schematic, see the attachment below. I am making a parts run this afternoon so I would appreciate knowing if this is the Official Approved Schematic for this version of Akula's many different devices.
@watts:
I'm frustrated too at all the changes and inconsistencies. And the BS as well.
The 3V circuit, which is what made the scopeshot above, acts as a very sensitive EM detector. It "resonates" more like a radio receiver. The frequency of the sensitivity is determined by the transformator inductances and couplings, _almost_ as described by tysb3 above. Is there a phase-locking or frequency harmonic locking involved? The fact that the spike frequency in the bursts varies would seem to contradict that hypothesis.
Anyhow, I am going to assemble the circuit I posted above and go from there. The one I am working with right now, I think I've at least tracked down how to get close to the Akula scopeshot above. The tuning is incredibly sensitive.
When comparing these shots, please consider that we have determined, I think, that Akula's "50 V/div" setting is incorrect due to his probe being at 1x instead of 10x. So the trace is really indicating 5 V /div... but the scope also has less resolution at the 50v/div setting so you aren't seeing the true waveform envelope on his top trace. I apologize for scoposcopy.....
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 12:10:33 PM
The folks at OUR have examined and translated this schematic, see the attachment below. I am making a parts run this afternoon so I would appreciate knowing if this is the Official Approved Schematic for this version of Akula's many different devices.
Dear Tinsel Koala.
The schematic you have posted seems to make more sense to me than the one posted at the top of this page !! Am I correct in saying that the lower TL494 and it's associated components will create an inverted drive to the Mosfet ??
Pulses driven in alternation and at a different frequency will create a form of "Havoc" within the Ferrite material. Might just tempt the Genie out of his box !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 12:10:33 PM
The folks at OUR have examined and translated this schematic, see the attachment below. I am making a parts run this afternoon so I would appreciate knowing if this is the Official Approved Schematic for this version of Akula's many different devices.
Hi TinselKoala,
Yes, there will be more resources for reference and perform for circuit assembly actually run!!! Value of C3, C4, if the value is 3 nF hard to find, because manufacturers often produce convergence 2.2nF or 2.7nF!. . Transistor VT1 and VT3 can be replaced with 2N3906 or BC547, BC557.
Hello TK,
thanks for your effort with the akula device..
I'm just begging to worm my self to up and start experimenting.
If somebody on the forum is willing to post the pcb for the above sheme
I will appreciate.
good luck m
@mrzlica,
In the meantime post printed circuit TK beautiful, you can see the original circuit in Russia forum (Realstrannik.ru) here:
Re: Self Running Generator Akula0083 30 Watt.
«Reply # 972 on: April 27, 2014, 07:48:04 PM»
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
@mrzlica,
In the meantime post printed circuit TK beautiful, you can see the original circuit in Russia forum (Realstrannik.ru) here:
Re: Self Running Generator Akula0083 30 Watt.
«Reply # 972 on: April 27, 2014, 07:48:04 PM»
Hi, Havahung
can you please post the complete link?
by, m
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 01:07:52 PM
Hi TinselKoala,
Yes, there will be more resources for reference and perform for circuit assembly actually run!!! Value of C3, C4, if the value is 3 nF hard to find, because manufacturers often produce convergence 2.2nF or 2.7nF!. . Transistor VT1 and VT3 can be replaced with 2N3906 or BC547, BC557.
Because there is such a difference, what is the real?
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 01:07:52 PM
Hi TinselKoala,
Yes, there will be more resources for reference and perform for circuit assembly actually run!!! Value of C3, C4, if the value is 3 nF hard to find, because manufacturers often produce convergence 2.2nF or 2.7nF!. . Transistor VT1 and VT3 can be replaced with 2N3906 or BC547, BC557.
If I don't have the exact values for the small caps, I will make up the needed capacitor values from these small high-quality barium titanate caps that I have. They look like diodes but they are solid chunks of dielectric in a glass envelope.
The schematic I am wanting to use only has one PNP transistor mosfet-cutoff, on the lower mosfet. I see other versions have this sub-circuit on both mosfets. WTF? The lower one is clearly designed to turn the mosfet off hard, which will make the largest spike in the transformator and have the largest effect on the other coils. The top 494 oscillator / mosfet driving the smallest coil doesn't have this part in the circuit I saw, and I don't know if it is supposed to go there or not. I'll be able to do it either way. The transistor crosses to ECG/NTE374, PNP silicon, Vceo -160V, Vebo 5 V, Ic 1.5A, 20 Watts, fT 140MHz, in a TO-126 package. Industrial strength. I picked up 2 at my local supplier today. But probably the much cheaper small-signal PNPs you list would work fine too .... for certain values of "work".
;)
Quote from: Grumage on April 29, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
Dear Tinsel Koala.
The schematic you have posted seems to make more sense to me than the one posted at the top of this page !! Am I correct in saying that the lower TL494 and it's associated components will create an inverted drive to the Mosfet ??
Pulses driven in alternation and at a different frequency will create a form of "Havoc" within the Ferrite material. Might just tempt the Genie out of his box !! :)
Cheers Grum.
I don't know yet until I build it. The 494 makes two outputs, complimentary, on its own, IIRC, you can use a single one to drive a full H-bridge. It looks to me like the lower 494 is the "primary" one and the upper one is used to make a different frequency or perhaps gate the output of the first one, and mix it all up in the transformator.
From the data sheet:
QuoteThe uncommitted output transistors provide either
common-emitter or emitter-follower output capability.
The TL494 device provides for push-pull or single-
ended output operation, which can be selected
through the output-control function. The architecture
of this device prohibits the possibility of either output
being pulsed twice during push-pull operation.
If I can break a ferrite core by "chaotic resonance" (tm TKLabs) with 3v at 100 mA.... that will be something! Oh wait... this is a 9V circuit. Never mind....
8)
Hey All,
Fantastic Work from everyone!
Few minor things I have noticed so I thought I would have a go at some drawing! I am new in Eagle so go easy! But, I want to point out there are some circuit inconsistencies with the last few circuits that have been posted.
The closest circuit I have seen is below posted from 'havuhung ' The hand drawn schematic that may be one of Akula's or a well drawn copy of the original board.
I have used Eagle to Re-Draw this hand drawn Schematic. I am asking you guys to check the schematics and point out any errors.
Once proofed, I will post the Eagle Files.
All the Best
Chris
By the way, I forgot to say that the schematic I posted is Groundloop's work, translating and interpreting and filling in blanks. Thanks, GL!
I got it from "OUR" friends. ;)
There is a later version with Miller clamps on both mosfets, but MenofFather, I think, says the top one isn't needed.
Quote from: mrzlica on April 29, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
Hi, Havahung
can you please post the complete link?
by, m
Hi All, @mrzlica,
Links to the Russian forum, discussing Akula0083-Lantern No.3- Disassembly:
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?start=126 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?start=126)
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/46-razdel-avtorskix-tem/134790-laboratoriya-deda.html?start=126 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/46-razdel-avtorskix-tem/134790-laboratoriya-deda.html?start=126)
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 29, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Hey All,
Fantastic Work from everyone!
Few minor things I have noticed so I thought I would have a go at some drawing! I am new in Eagle so go easy! But, I want to point out there are some circuit inconsistencies with the last few circuits that have been posted.
The closest circuit I have seen is below posted from 'havuhung ' The hand drawn schematic that may be one of Akula's or a well drawn copy of the original board.
I have used Eagle to Re-Draw this hand drawn Schematic. I am asking you guys to check the schematics and point out any errors.
Once proofed, I will post the Eagle Files.
All the Best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
The hand-drawn circuit diagrams may be the circuit board in Akula's No3 Video clips have all of two pairs of transistors and MOSFET (KT3710 and IRF3710) for two primary branches out tranformer winding flyback ferrite core.
Akula0083 circuit diagram of No3-Disassembly-Lantern. Potentiometer other values instead 20Kohm - 10Kohm diagram. . . I just saw a little. . . :D
Regards.
Hey havuhung,
Quote from: havuhung on April 30, 2014, 02:36:53 AM
The hand-drawn circuit diagrams may be the circuit board in Akula's No3 Video clips have all of two pairs of transistors and MOSFET (KT3710 and IRF3710) for two primary branches out tranformer winding flyback ferrite core.
It sure does appear to be the closest circuit I have seen to the Akula0083 Lantern No 3 Demonstration! So far I can not fault the layout of it. Component Values I cant tell the video is not clear enough.
Quote from: havuhung on April 30, 2014, 02:36:53 AM
Akula0083 circuit diagram of No3-Disassembly-Lantern. Potentiometer other values instead 20Kohm - 10Kohm diagram. . . I just saw a little. . . :D
Yeah, I think a little guessing may be needed here but I think we can get pretty close. We know the tunning of the 2x frequencies or the 2x duty cycles exhibited a combined frequency of around 7KHz.
It appears if the Max Frequency the TL494IN can handle is 300 kHz according to the datasheet. Or have I read this wrong?
There are a few differences in the Hand Drawn Schematic compared to the other schematics that have been posted.
I an not picking on the work, but the major difference lies in the track layout to the Run Cap from the Charge Cap. A Diode blocks its charge from one to the other. There are a few other differences also but this is the most important.
Please be wary when building the Circuits from Schematics as only a very small deviation can make all the difference! We all know this already I am sure!
All the Best
Chris
Sorry Guys, I think I have broken the thread! I was trying to explain the Circuit issues.
I hope team OverUnity.com can fix this up for us as soon as possible.
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
Thus far the TL494IN Chip is only good to 300KHz.
Anyone want to check and verify this?
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
I have made some small changes to the Schematic. Revision 1.1 is now current.
All the Best
Chris
EDIT: Image Removed.
Hi All,
Apologies, mistake and move around of the Tags.
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
I hope I don't have to re-explain this. Page 69 on this thread appears to be broken still!
Major Circuit Differences
Reference Values used from my schematic
The Charge Cap is C2 (50V 2200uF) with Over flow going into C3 (35V 1000uF) when the Switch is on. Of Course if the switch is on then C1 will also charge!
The Run Cap is C1 (50V 1000uF) This Cap does not get Discharged when either FET's Q1 or Q2 get switched on because of the Diode D4. This Cap is the Cap that keeps the Circuit Running when the Coils get switched and the Capacitor Voltage drops below threshold!
The way the circuit was drawn in the other schematics, all Caps get discharged when either FET get turned on and if the Caps threshold voltage is reached then the entire circuit looses power.
All Caps re-charge from the Diodes after the 19 turn coil. We both know what this means, that there is an off period (Duty Cycle) where all caps must sustain the circuit for a period.
NOTE: The Circuit "схема деда 2.jpg" Translated (Scheme Grandfather 2) which havahung very kindly posted corresponds the closest to the Akuls0083 Lantern No 3 Revision one, with the external switch mode power supply. The circuit is very close to the second revision except for a PNP Transistor missing from one FET.
There may be RC Time Constants involved here also. If the Capacitance is a long way out we will loose the RC Time Constant at the Frequency desired.
Hope this description helps!
All the Best
Chris
Please Note: TinselKoala did not draw this schematic only added the Values.
Hi All,
I have posted some more videos on Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw)
All the Best
Chris
Just so as everyone is aware, I have sent requests to Stefan to fix Page 69.
All the Best
Chris
Hi Chris,
please rescale your pics to 1024x768 or 800x600
before posting them.
You can use the free Irfanview.com
for it.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi All,
I was looking at the TL494IN Chip again and some data on it is interesting:
MIN MAX UNIT
fOSC Oscillator frequency 1 300 kHz
CT Timing capacitor 0.47 10000 nF
RT Timing resistor 1.8 500 kΩ
Pin 5 is the Timing Capacitor Pin. Pin 6 is the Timing Resistor Pin. Akula has uses a 10K and a 20K Pots and I cant quite read the Capacitor Values. I have guessed them to be 2.2pf and 8.2pf but looking at the sheet, this may be wrong. More like 8.2nf and 2.2nf if the figures are right.
I guess the point is, Akula has half the Pot value from one TL494IN to the other which supports the idea that he was looking for the Phase Shifted Frequency we have previously spoken about. We can also see this in the amount of coil turns 13 vs 7 and also nearly half the Capacitance Values.
See Picture Below:
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 30, 2014, 08:43:30 PM
Hi Chris,
please rescale your pics to 1024x768 or 800x600
before posting them.
You can use the free Irfanview.com
for it.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan
Very Sorry, my mistake. Sorry everyone for holding the thread up. I will be more careful with Pics. Was late and I did not pay enough attention.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on April 29, 2014, 09:43:44 AM
Hi All,
Updated values on the schematic diagram components Akula0083-disassembled. . .
Sorry I was traveling, I found this on the web, very similar to these other schematics... so we maybe closed to it.
The Stone.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 08:44:27 PM
Hi All,
I was looking at the TL494IN Chip again and some data on it is interesting:
MIN MAX UNIT
fOSC Oscillator frequency 1 300 kHz
CT Timing capacitor 0.47 10000 nF
RT Timing resistor 1.8 500 kΩ
Pin 5 is the Timing Capacitor Pin. Pin 6 is the Timing Resistor Pin. Akula has uses a 10K and a 20K Pots and I cant quite read the Capacitor Values. I have guessed them to be 2.2pf and 8.2pf but looking at the sheet, this may be wrong.
I guess the point is, Akula has half the Pot value from one TL494IN to the other which supports the idea that he was looking for the Phase Shifted Frequency we have previously spoken about. See Picture Below:
All the Best
Chris
PLEASE go back up and re-scale your images! 1024 pixels wide at most!
IrfanView is great but has a learning curve. The Gimp is also free and is nearly PhotoShop and is easy to use.
The TL494 is rated to 300 kHz but is actually capable of stable operation at much higher frequencies, if you get genuine Texas Instruments chips. I have used them at 800 kHz in an SSTC TinselKoil 2.0, but had to boost the output with a driver stage.
@ AlI
one more possibility how to find core resonance:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 10:58:45 PM
PLEASE go back up and re-scale your images! 1024 pixels wide at most!
@All - Very Sorry! I have done some already but I don't have access to the others. I have asked Stefan to delete them. Yup... Feeling like a Goose! :-[
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
Thanks for the nice circuit diagram of people.
I explore the actual components on the circuit board Akula0083-Lantern No3-Disassembly Video: Noticed that two capacitors is the type commonly used in consumer electronics Polyester Film Capacitor, compared with the actual size of the are capacitors on the printed circuit board of the CRT monitor. Value capacitors with the size of it. I believe is similar to the hand-drawn circuit diagrams, and that value is 2.2nF and 8.2nF approximate.
Well, thank Mr Akula0083 shared and all your work.
Regards
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 29, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Hey All,
Fantastic Work from everyone!
Few minor things I have noticed so I thought I would have a go at some drawing! I am new in Eagle so go easy! But, I want to point out there are some circuit inconsistencies with the last few circuits that have been posted.
The closest circuit I have seen is below posted from 'havuhung ' The hand drawn schematic that may be one of Akula's or a well drawn copy of the original board.
I have used Eagle to Re-Draw this hand drawn Schematic. I am asking you guys to check the schematics and point out any errors.
Once proofed, I will post the Eagle Files.
All the Best
Chris
Then ask Akula about schematic in conference, he say, that give schematic, but letter say somthinglke that, why need shematic? Here two generators, can be any generators, not TL494.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 02:58:55 AM
It appears if the Max Frequency the TL494IN can handle is 300 kHz according to the datasheet. Or have I read this wrong?
Max frenquency is 800 kiloherc. Low frenquency of Akula lantern have 50 precent duty cycle, that say Akula.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 07:19:35 PM
Hi All,
Thus far the TL494IN Chip is only good to 300KHz.
Anyone want to check and verify this?
All the Best
Chris
I have verifed, maxmum frenquency 700-800 kiloherc. Not meter IN or not IN, they work same.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
Hi All,
Apologies, mistake and move around of the Tags.
All the Best
Chris
D1-D4 better use shotkey diodes, for example 60 volts 1-3 amps. Because shotkeys open after 0.3-0.4 volts. UF opens of about 0.5-1 volts, and shotkeys, how I know is faster. Can work and with UF, but with shotkey must work better.
Quote from: MenofFather on May 01, 2014, 04:27:24 AM
D1-D4 better use shotkey diodes, for example 60 volts 1-3 amps. Because shotkeys open after 0.3-0.4 volts. UF opens of about 0.5-1 volts, and shotkeys, how I know is faster. Can work and with UF, but with shotkey must work better.
Hey MenofFather,
Excellent Thanks for all the information! I will keep in mind and once we have all check and verified the schematic I will make the changes.
@All - Would a SMD or Through Hole board be better?
At the end of the day just a verified schematic would be nice but I was thinking if we decided to get some boards made then going to the next step would be good.
All the Best
Chris
Please, people! Don't post images that have pixel counts over 1024 in either direction! If you need to post large images, upload them to the "download" section and then link to them.
The reason the page width is screwed up on this page is because of the superwide schematic images up above.
Chris, you have one schematic up above labelled as coming from me.... but it's not my work. I just reposted it from OUR, I didn't draw it. I think it is Groundloop's work. So far, I have made no changes or additions to any of the circuit drawings except the 3V Flashlight one I am working with.
Yes, the TL494 is just an oscillator. It has some features that make it nice for Tesla coilers, but I can't find the "overunity pin" on any of the data sheets.
Yes, the TL494 can work way out of its rated range. The TinselKoil 2.0, primary oscillator is a TL494, operating at 400-800 kHz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFDjZ_Va9xg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFDjZ_Va9xg)
Yes, the TL494 can be audio modulated and can drive a flyback transformer to make a singing arc. Arc speakers have remarkable fidelity, they are really fun to play around with. You can get high quality sound (at low volume) from an invisible corona discharge, you don't even need an actual arc.
People sometimes really amuse me greatly. Especially in these Akula threads. We have several people telling us what will work and what won't work and why and why not ... but it seems to me that the real key to getting one of these circuits "working" is .... you have to be Akula! Because _nobody_ else has actually demonstrated a "working" version of any of his circuits. The people who "know".... are just guessing, I think. Where is the evidence for their contentions that "A" works but "B" doesn't work? I don't think there is any. General principles of making good transformer effect and using resonant voltage rise or VRSWR (standing wave resonance) are always good to have in mind: Fast cutoffs of transistors driving inductive loads, and fast acting diodes in parts of the circuit handling the spikes and ringdown from the inductors when they are switched off. But these principles are known by anyone who builds and experiments with solid state TCs or other HV and VHV apparatus.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 05:15:51 AM
Chris, you have one schematic up above labelled as coming from me.... but it's not my work. I just reposted it from OUR, I didn't draw it. I think it is Groundloop's work. So far, I have made no changes or additions to any of the circuit drawings except the 3V Flashlight one I am working with.
Hey TK,
I did note at the bottom that the schematic was not your design:
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 07:26:34 PM
Please Note: TinselKoala did not draw this schematic only added the Values.
I think most following will know anyway.
Can you see what I am talking about in the circuit where there is an error? I think its important to see there is a big difference between the
Run Cap and the
Charge/Discharge Cap!
All the Best
Chris
P.S Your preference - SMD or through Hole Board Design?
@EMJunkie:
Chris, I strongly advise you _not_ to spend any money on making PCBs for this circuit! A PC board restricts you to a particular layout and cannot be easily changed. Some of us can recall several instances when people had PC boards made that incorporated errors or were for circuits that weren't actually used in the original claimant's reports.
It's clear that a printed circuit board is not necessary for Akula. He uses that ugly pad-per-hole board and just uses blobs of solder to make his connections, and his circuits -- all of them -- work fine. If you believe him, that is.
The technique I used for the 3V flashlight circuit will be better for this kind of prototyping, and that's what I'll be using. The time to make PC boards is _after_ someone else besides Akula has actually demonstrated a self-runner and the circuit used is fully known and characterized.
I don't want to keep anyone from having their fun, but I am telling you now: If you make PC boards now, expecting that you will be able to make a self-runner using them.... you will be disappointed, and you will have spent a lot of money and effort needlessly.
@Chris:
I didn't even "add values" to that schematic. I made no changes in any schematics _except_ the 3V flashlight one in the other thread. I only posted the 2x 494 schematic to ask if it was the "Official Approved" one, and I appreciate your pointing out the discrepancies you have noticed.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 05:25:49 AM
@EMJunkie:
Chris, I strongly advise you _not_ to spend any money on making PCBs for this circuit! A PC board restricts you to a particular layout and cannot be easily changed. Some of us can recall several instances when people had PC boards made that incorporated errors or were for circuits that weren't actually used in the original claimant's reports.
It's clear that a printed circuit board is not necessary for Akula. He uses that ugly pad-per-hole board and just uses blobs of solder to make his connections, and his circuits -- all of them -- work fine. If you believe him, that is.
The technique I used for the 3V flashlight circuit will be better for this kind of prototyping, and that's what I'll be using. The time to make PC boards is _after_ someone else besides Akula has actually demonstrated a self-runner and the circuit used is fully known and characterized.
I don't want to keep anyone from having their fun, but I am telling you now: If you make PC boards now, expecting that you will be able to make a self-runner using them.... you will be disappointed, and you will have spent a lot of money and effort needlessly.
Hey TK,
Yes, I agree and have already been down this path. I will be breadboarding it first, then If I am lucky enough to make it work....
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 01, 2014, 05:00:52 AM
@All - Would a SMD or Through Hole board be better?
All the Best
Chris
I think [size=78%]Through Hole board is better.[/size]
hi all: Originally wanted to say something, but still forget. :)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 05:15:51 AM
People sometimes really amuse me greatly. Especially in these Akula threads. We have several people telling us what will work and what won't work and why and why not ... but it seems to me that the real key to getting one of these circuits "working" is .... you have to be Akula! Because _nobody_ else has actually demonstrated a "working" version of any of his circuits. The people who "know".... are just guessing, I think. Where is the evidence for their contentions that "A" works but "B" doesn't work? I don't think there is any.
Well, if you would speak Russian and listen latest teamspeak recording.. the rebuilding of circuit would be a lot more easy. It was explained there how circuit is supposed to work and what effect needs to be aimed for.
Also I tried my best to explain in forums as well because Roman's LEDs circuit are exploiting same effect I had with Lithuanian Yoke experiment...
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 05:15:51 AM
General principles of making good transformer effect and using resonant voltage rise or VRSWR (standing wave resonance) are always good to have in mind: Fast cutoffs of transistors driving inductive loads, and fast acting diodes in parts of the circuit handling the spikes and ringdown from the inductors when they are switched off. But these principles are known by anyone who builds and experiments with solid state TCs or other HV and VHV apparatus.
For this part - the conventional engineering are fighting spikes/etc as you just said. To reach energy consumption down to almost 0 a least - you need to recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input. So it is opposite to what every engineer is tought how to deal with such things...
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 05:28:57 AM
@Chris:
I didn't even "add values" to that schematic. I made no changes in any schematics _except_ the 3V flashlight one in the other thread. I only posted the 2x 494 schematic to ask if it was the "Official Approved" one, and I appreciate your pointing out the discrepancies you have noticed.
Hi TinselKoala,
I have some question "officially approved" ! So is Mr Akula replied approval values in the circuit board or the other one? . .The reason is to be the basis of printed circuit board assembly. . .
Thank you.
Quote from: havuhung on May 01, 2014, 06:42:37 AM
Hi TinselKoala,
I have some question "officially approved" ! So is Mr Akula replied approval values in the circuit board or the other one? . .The reason is to be the basis of printed circuit board assembly. . .
Thank you.
Mr Akula hasn't said anything one way or the other, as far as I can determine.
Whatever you use for the basis for your PCB design will be found to be wrong, after you get the boards back and build the circuit onto them and find they don't self-run, I guarantee it.
You will be spending money and time for nothing, and you will be stuck with some nice PCB oscillators that don't work when the power is removed.
And there are far cheaper ways to arrive at that result. I have been through this before.
I know you will not take my advice, though.
I think it's pretty silly to ask "through hole or SMD". There may be two or three people on this forum who could handle building this circuit with SMD components, and I'm not one of them. But the method I will be using is a "surface mount" technique, just with parts I can see with unaided vision and can handle with my fingers instead of tweezers.
Besides... didn't Groundloop or one of those folks already design a PCB for this circuit? Or is that another of Akula's miracles I'm thinking of?
Oh yes, GL made the one for the single mosfet, single 494 circuit.
Hi TinselKoala,
Maybe you confused me with someone else, I did not ask any questions this "through hole or SMD"! . . :D
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
Well, if you would speak Russian and listen latest teamspeak recording.. the rebuilding of circuit would be a lot more easy. It was explained there how circuit is supposed to work and what effect needs to be aimed for.
Also I tried my best to explain in forums as well because Roman's LEDs circuit are exploiting same effect I had with Lithuanian Yoke experiment...For this part - the conventional engineering are fighting spikes/etc as you just said. To reach energy consumption down to almost 0 a least - you need to recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input. So it is opposite to what every engineer is tought how to deal with such things...
There is nothing in your post that contradicts or refutes what I said: nobody except Akula has demonstrated "self running" on any of the _many_ circuits that are supposed to be coming from Akula. Nobody has done comparison testing and shown different performance with different ferrites in the same circuit. Nobody has shown how to "recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input". Nobody, in fact, has shown _real_ provable and repeatable results that are different from or better than my own.
If you think I don't know how to recover the spikes from switched inductances and put them to use, you should check out my YouTube channel, I have many many demonstrations of doing just that. For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU)
Quote from: havuhung on May 01, 2014, 07:07:19 AM
Hi TinselKoala,
Maybe you confused me with someone else, I did not ask any questions this "through hole or SMD"! . . :D
No, I am not confused. Look up in the thread, you will see that the question has been asked, and I "assumed" you were talking about the same project of designing and ordering PCBs. If you are considering doing a different PCB project than EMJunkie, I apologize... and I give you the same advice: Don't bother doing it until after someone else, not Akula and maybe even not Russian, posts a credible replication of the self-running effect.
look Lasersaber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0&feature
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 06:59:17 AM
I think it's pretty silly to ask "through hole or SMD".
TK! You in a bad mood today?
Cheer Up and try to be positive! Like I said, I am going to breadboard it first, and then when I have it working, my circuit will only need a layout done!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 07:12:12 AM
There is nothing in your post that contradicts or refutes what I said: nobody except Akula has demonstrated "self running" on any of the _many_ circuits that are supposed to be coming from Akula. Nobody has done comparison testing and shown different performance with different ferrites in the same circuit. Nobody has shown how to "recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input". Nobody, in fact, has shown _real_ provable and repeatable results that are different from or better than my own.
If you think I don't know how to recover the spikes from switched inductances and put them to use, you should check out my YouTube channel, I have many many demonstrations of doing just that. For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU)
Emotions... :) Just it does not help to get the truth.
And the truth is simple enough - there is possibility to extract usable energy from matter. And I experienced that myself with max 15W in and 150W bulb lit back in 2011 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-c5zSviuXk
There is no fake in my case. And there was neutron radiation poisoning as side effect which left burns on people after that experiment when we did it without knowing about such possibility...
So think what you like about it.
Quote from: Ed morbus on May 01, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
look Lasersaber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0&feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0&feature)
Hi Ed morbus,
Thank link
Looking at the video, I have been hoping to achieve success with the circuit diagram Akula0083, which together with the people we're done. . . ;D
@TK
If the TL494 can do up to 800KHz, why is it stuck at 300KHz? That was my question in posts past.
Also just posted this at OUR.
QUOTE
@ION
Thanks for your reply but let me articulate my point with this photo below.
Here you see the actual size of ETD-29 that fits both circuit boards compared to an ETD-34, which is still very small and also fits
the circuit boards. Consider that the ETD-29 ecore is being asked to dish out a good 30 something watts plus looping energy and
compare this to the ccore used in the v3 device that's only putting out a few watts. There is no logic possible to explain any more
clearly.
@All
I have ordered some ETD-54 - Type 87 non-gapped to do my tests. If you are using the ETD-29, maybe consider changing your
load to not more then 2-3 watts to start and then there may be some small changes required in the circuit to lower the overall
throughput. Maybe put just enough load so when the circuit is energized (large caps full) and when the power is removed, the
leds would take at least 2-3 seconds to turn off. That would be one way to choose maximum load with the ETD-29.
Come to think of it, this one core size comparison, that I did not realize earlier until I had an ETD29 in my hands, now confirms
to me that the x-named41 video was faked 2000%. That little ecore that he held between his fingers, like I have in my hand
right now, could never do the job he is purporting. Wrong core size. So he just spiked his circuit board from under the panel and
faked it, like I had already shown.
It takes time to figure things out. On the way, we discover new aspects that then build on others. Call it a process. If you are
running the AK30 board, you will require more core if yo want to produce the design output.
wattsup
UNQUOTE
Once my larger Ecores arrive I am going to completely disregard the pulse generation part of the circuit because this for me is
not important and I do not trust the Akula schematic. As I show in the below simplified schematic where the real effect can be
properly hunted down.
If with this set-up, the system keeps looping when I remove the battery and the leds are well lit, even if I use my FG on the
mosfet gate, this will at least confirm that looping is possible and then with this once the main frequency is established, this
should then run on its own with a much simpler gate circuit.
wattsup
PS: Had to force carriage returns at the end of lines to make the text not run off the page.
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 07:57:20 AM
...2011 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-c5zSviuXk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-c5zSviuXk)
But you seems run on not full brightness, so what you put, that you get is. :)
Dear wattsup,
Thank you very much.
Havuhung
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 07:57:20 AM
Emotions... :) Just it does not help to get the truth.
And the truth is simple enough - there is possibility to extract usable energy from matter. And I experienced that myself with max 15W in and 150W bulb lit back in 2011 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-c5zSviuXk
There is no fake in my case. And there was neutron radiation poisoning as side effect which left burns on people after that experiment when we did it without knowing about such possibility...
So think what you like about it.
Hi.. T-1000 or Others
i need some of your comment here..
http://www.overunity.com/14592/side-effect-of-ou-project/
I relisten how need wound to find feroresonance. Wound one turn to generator and one turn on pick up (съёмный)If you have more turns, then you on spectr analiser must see this feroresonance frenquency, seems.
:)
Ok. I try 1 W akula divice (lantern) were he use two generators and two mosfet. In one conference he say, that one frenquency is 4-7 herc. I try, that wery much consuming, about 5 amps on frenquency about 1 kiloherc if conect to 13 turns windings and duty cycle 50 precents. So seems it inposible makeselfrunner with 7 herc and 50 duty cycle. I use long conecting wires and not use PNP transistor to wery fast close mosfet, but bealive, that that not make big changes, so somethere Akula give not true information, probarly.
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
the conventional engineering are fighting spikes/etc as you just said.
I don't know if I'd call it "conventional engineering", but indeed many electronic engineers do not recycle switching spikes back into the power supply and they simply dissipate their energy as heat in RC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubber#RC_snubbers) or Zener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_diode) or Transorb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transorb) "heaters".
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
To reach energy consumption down to almost 0 a least - you need to recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input. So it is opposite to what every engineer is taught how to deal with such things...
I don't think that conventional engineers are not taught how to recycle the energy in these spikes, but I think they are too cheap or lazy to do it.
The technique for recovering the energy in switching transients is well known and is called "lossless clamping". It requires a second identical parallel winding in the inductor/transformer that is being pulsed.
For example: Itsu has built a switcher based on this principle because nasty spikes were damaging his snubber diodes and switching transistors by overvoltage (he has a video of it somewhere) and I had described its operating principle and schematic here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1526.msg33035#msg33035).
Quote from: MenofFather on May 01, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
I relisten how need wound to find feroresonance. Wound one turn to generator and one turn on pick up (съёмный)If you have more turns, then you on spectr analiser must see this feroresonance frenquency, seems.
:)
Ok. I try 1 W akula divice (lantern) were he use two generators and two mosfet. In one conference he say, that one frenquency is 4-7 herc. I try, that wery much consuming, about 5 amps on frenquency about 1 kiloherc if conect to 13 turns windings and duty cycle 50 precents. So seems it inposible makeselfrunner with 7 herc and 50 duty cycle. I use long conecting wires and not use PNP transistor to wery fast close mosfet, but bealive, that that not make big changes, so somethere Akula give not true information, probarly.
Can u please attach the drawing? Is it also self runner?
You can't make 7hz on this small coil that you described, so think the possibility of 7Hz to be a beat frequency between the two mosfets..
Quote from: Jeg on May 01, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Can u please attach the drawing? Is it also self runner?
You can't make 7hz on this small coil that you described, so think the possibility of 7Hz to be a beat frequency between the two mosfets..
No, I not get any selfrunning. Schematic is, that is two generators, one is 20 kiloherc about, other 500 kiliherc[size=78%] [/size][size=78%]about[/size][size=78%] with 45-15 duty cycle, then I get consumption from 12 volts about 0.5 amperes. If I use 7 herc then consumption be maybe 20 amperes or more. I use almost same windings like in Akula divice. One were going 500 about kiloherc have 7 turns, other primary 13 turns and secondary about 19 turns. Throt one diode gose from secondary to plus, other end of secondary go tu minus. I use one generator TS555, other TL494. Then i made low frenquency, then i get about 4 amps consumption and burn shotky diode who going from secondary to plus. Then I put UF5404. And I made fast closing and other transistor, then consumption little drops. I also made shorter conection wires. I try change frenquences from one end to other, one and other and of TL494 change duty cycle. Then i changing one of frenquency sometimes I get diferent sounds, sometimes it like low sound, sometimes like highter. So not enought information from akula, need know, that diodes he use, need know frenquency and duty cycle of one and another generator. I use core like he, from flayback transformer. He must meashure frenquency and duty cycle of one and other generator, not say suggestions.[/size]
edited... wrong questions...
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
Well, if you would speak Russian and listen latest teamspeak recording.. the rebuilding of circuit would be a lot more easy. It was explained there how circuit is supposed to work and what effect needs to be aimed for.
... and yet there are no replications. Also, Roman's explanations regarding the working principle behind his circuit are gobbledygook at best.
For instance, he says that in his dual generators version the first one generates the signal 'at the ferroresonant frequency' and the other one has the duty cycle of ferroresonance'. ??? :-\
May I also remind you that Roman has failed to make a working circuit when he was invited to go to Germany to demonstrate.
I am saying this not to accuse him of cheating but simply pointing to the fact that he's struggling to make it work as well.
~A
@ the ignorant people always open the wrong doors.
What you see on the few minutes video? - finished job. but you don't see weeks or months of the authors works while tuning his device and he knew what he was doing. You don't listen what is told to you and you have a shit. yes that's fast and easy - shit is everywhere.
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 01, 2014, 07:50:35 AM
TK! You in a bad mood today?
Cheer Up and try to be positive! Like I said, I am going to breadboard it first, and then when I have it working, my circuit will only need a layout done!
All the Best
Chris
Yes, I am getting irritated. Or maybe irradiated, by this silly circuit. I am glad you are not omitting the prototype stage. But what is your definition of "working"? If you are using the same definition I am.... working means keeping on keeping on with bright LEDs long after the power is pulled. In which case... no worries Mate, as they say in South.... deep south.... Texas.
BTW, do you think that some of the problems MoF is encountering could be the result of the issues you pointed out about the posted schematics? I have better things to blow up mosfets with..... so I don't want to power anything up until I understand why his transistors and diodes are popping.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
@ the ignorant people always open the wrong doors.
What you see on the few minutes video? - finished job. but you don't see weeks or months of the authors works while tuning his device and he knew what he was doing. You don't listen what is told to you and you have a shit. yes that's fast and easy - shit is everywhere.
I have some experience in these matters, as do a few other people on this forum. Any of us can point to cases where an experimenter works for weeks and months trying to improve the efficiency of his or her device, by that final little few percent that will take it "over unity" and make it a self runner. Eventually they become frustrated, or greedy, or just want to demonstrate something on YouTube, and they notice that only a tiny bit of outside power is needed to make their carefully developed efficient device _look like_ it is performing in an overunity manner, running itself or whatnot.
Fast and easy shit? Shit everywhere? Have you washed YOUR hands lately? Because for the most part people posting here on this forum and on this thread are doing good work, verifiable, repeatable and with great understanding of fundamentals both conventional and speculative, and they are reporting it accurately and honestly.
Others...
:-\
Quote from: wattsup on May 01, 2014, 08:13:26 AM
@TK
If the TL494 can do up to 800KHz, why is it stuck at 300KHz? That was my question in posts past.
TI rates their chips very conservatively. I would trust a genuine TI TL494 chip to run at the _rated max_ 300 kHz stably essentially forever throughout the data sheet's specified temperature and voltage supply range, conforming to the performance graphs in the data sheet.
Just because an insane experimenter or two can figure out how to use the chip at 400 or 800 kHz doesn't mean you should bet your life on it. One of the things I've noticed about these several circuits is that the chips are operated at or outside the limits of the rated performance envelope. Using a TTL chip with a 3 volt supply? Excuse me?
Quote
Also just posted this at OUR.
QUOTE
@ION
Thanks for your reply but let me articulate my point with this photo below.
Here you see the actual size of ETD-29 that fits both circuit boards compared to an ETD-34, which is still very small and also fits
the circuit boards. Consider that the ETD-29 ecore is being asked to dish out a good 30 something watts plus looping energy and
compare this to the ccore used in the v3 device that's only putting out a few watts. There is no logic possible to explain any more
clearly.
@All
I have ordered some ETD-54 - Type 87 non-gapped to do my tests. If you are using the ETD-29, maybe consider changing your
load to not more then 2-3 watts to start and then there may be some small changes required in the circuit to lower the overall
throughput. Maybe put just enough load so when the circuit is energized (large caps full) and when the power is removed, the
leds would take at least 2-3 seconds to turn off. That would be one way to choose maximum load with the ETD-29.
Come to think of it, this one core size comparison, that I did not realize earlier until I had an ETD29 in my hands, now confirms
to me that the x-named41 video was faked 2000%. That little ecore that he held between his fingers, like I have in my hand
right now, could never do the job he is purporting. Wrong core size. So he just spiked his circuit board from under the panel and
faked it, like I had already shown.
It takes time to figure things out. On the way, we discover new aspects that then build on others. Call it a process. If you are
running the AK30 board, you will require more core if yo want to produce the design output.
wattsup
UNQUOTE
Once my larger Ecores arrive I am going to completely disregard the pulse generation part of the circuit because this for me is
not important and I do not trust the Akula schematic. As I show in the below simplified schematic where the real effect can be
properly hunted down.
If with this set-up, the system keeps looping when I remove the battery and the leds are well lit, even if I use my FG on the
mosfet gate, this will at least confirm that looping is possible and then with this once the main frequency is established, this
should then run on its own with a much simpler gate circuit.
wattsup
PS: Had to force carriage returns at the end of lines to make the text not run off the page.
No, if you are using a FG on the mosfet gate, you have to be very careful that the FG isn't powering anything. Some people might not believe that a mosfet gate can leak significant current to/from Drain and Source when the mosfet is operating properly. Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKF1r6vwUpI
Quote from: avalon on May 01, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
... and yet there are no replications. Also, Roman's explanations regarding the working principle behind his circuit are gobbledygook at best.
For instance, he says that in his dual generators version the first one generates the signal 'at the ferroresonant frequency' and the other one has the duty cycle of ferroresonance'. ??? :-\
May I also remind you that Roman has failed to make a working circuit when he was invited to go to Germany to demonstrate.
I am saying this not to accuse him of cheating but simply pointing to the fact that he's struggling to make it work as well.
~A
A very important post, bears repeating.
Struggling to make it work, though..... I dunno about that. Look at how many different things work .. for him .. at home. Surely he understands one of them well enough to make it work somewhere else.
Or maybe he understands that stage magic illusions aren't appropriate for close-up table magic demonstrations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5k0KqMBYh8
Recycling energy of switching spikes due to leakage inductance in a switchmode power supply was the subject matter of many published engineering featured articles and papers back when I was designing switchers for a living in the 80's and 90's .
Many of us were trying to figure advanced techniques to capture that bit of energy rather than waste it in snubbers and MOV's.
It seems to be a lost art these days.
and they are reporting it accurately and honestly,
but ignorant people don't listen them and are doing useless work, verifiable, repeatable and with great understanding of fundamentals both conventional and speculative but without OU
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 04:00:47 PM
and they are reporting it accurately and honestly,
but ignorant people don't listen them and are doing useless work, verifiable, repeatable and with great understanding of fundamentals both conventional and speculative but without OU
... and the Sun shines in purest delight when roosters nest without looking sad....Here comes OU.
We too can bullshit just fine.
Can we please just stay on the subject.
~A
yes, I'm staying, I'm repeating what was told in conference with Akula:
1) find your transformers core resonance.
2) tune HF generators coil in resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 frequency transformers core resonance. you need to have 2 resonances at one time. ignorant people don't listen that.
Quote from: T-1000 on May 01, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
..... the conventional engineering are fighting spikes/etc as you just said. To reach energy consumption down to almost 0 a least - you need to recover energy from those spikes and loop it back to the input. So it is opposite to what every engineer is tought how to deal with such things...
Good evening T-1000
Maybe this is what you are talking about:
"A pair of auxiliary switches, resonant inductors, and clamping capacitors is added to the primary side of the transformer
to clamp voltage spike and recycle the energy trapped in the leakage inductors. In the proposed active-clamp push–pull converter, since both main and auxiliary switches can be turned ON with zero-voltage switching, switching loss can be reduced and conversion efficiency therefore can be improved significantly."
PLease see attachment:
take care, peace
lost_bro
Edit Second attachment:" High Step-Up Ratio DC-to-DC Converter with Recuperation of the Leakage Energy"
Uses a BUCK converter to recycle Leakage Inductance energy.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 30, 2014, 08:44:27 PM
Hi All,
I was looking at the TL494IN Chip again and some data on it is interesting:
MIN MAX UNIT
fOSC Oscillator frequency 1 300 kHz
CT Timing capacitor 0.47 10000 nF
RT Timing resistor 1.8 500 kΩ
Pin 5 is the Timing Capacitor Pin. Pin 6 is the Timing Resistor Pin. Akula has uses a 10K and a 20K Pots and I cant quite read the Capacitor Values. I have guessed them to be 2.2pf and 8.2pf but looking at the sheet, this may be wrong. More like 8.2nf and 2.2nf if the figures are right.
I guess the point is, Akula has half the Pot value from one TL494IN to the other which supports the idea that he was looking for the Phase Shifted Frequency we have previously spoken about. We can also see this in the amount of coil turns 13 vs 7 and also nearly half the Capacitance Values.
See Picture Below:
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
I should clarify more on my post I am quoting above.
We could nearly say that the below picture is the third harmonic of the first. This could be viewed in lots of different ways. We could say that one coil was resonant at 55.04KHz and the other is resonant at the third harmonic of that, which would be 220.16KHz (Please correct me if I am wrong!)
NOTE: The values and Images are from Stivep Video:-->Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device)<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHipGkfSAY)
It has been said a few times that the output power is generated when these conditions are met. This was the whole point of this Video Explanation.
These waves are known from the Coil Resonance where the highest (Q) Quality Factor is. -->Finding Self Resonant Frequency of an inductor<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PQmDOaTAk) At the highest point of the peaks is the best Q Factor of the Coil. This is Very Easy to do. Other ways to do it are the same as Akula does it in the video, drive Coil and tune the frequency till the coil under test resonates which will be seen on the scope.
For those that don't already know: Maximum Q Factor of the coil is reached when XC and XL are equal and as a result they each cancel. Where XC is Capacitive Reactance and XL is Inductive Reactance. At this point the Wave going into the coil is optimised for the length of the coil, you could say like an Antenna, this is where Power can be transferred at the optimium point and very little power is lost.
Quote
Resonance frequencies may be maintained quite constant at high power levels so long as the load remains constant. We are all familiar with AM and FM propagation, where in the case as AM, the voltage amplitude varies, and with FM, the frequency is modulated.
However, the output power sees a constant load impedance, that of the matched antenna system. If this changes, the input to the antenna is mismatched, and standing waves are generated resulting in a loss of power. The frequency is a forced response and remains constant. Power is lost and efficiency becomes less and less, depending on the degree of mismatch.
Magnetic Resonance by Floyd Sweet.
So the length of the wire determines the Resonance? Not entirely. The formula is still the same for LC Resonance:
1
F = ------------
2pi sqrt LC
So its the Inductance XL, and the Capacitance XC, Capacitance being the Coils Distributed Capacitance, ensuring we know that X is Reactance. See: -->Electromagnetic Wave Propagation<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VpDO2iYpRU) and -->Propagating Electromagnetic Wave<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Quarter%20Wave%20at%20Resonance.mpg)
More Complexities can happen in the Conductor if the Wavelength is not correct, Nodes can occur where Voltage can go to Zero and Current to Max... I don't want to go into this here because its not really relevant :)
My point of all this, is, that if we want to transfer any energy from one coil to another, its best to do it at
resonance! Akula was showing us this in his videos.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 01, 2014, 07:30:00 PM
Hi All,
I should clarify more on my post I am quoting above.
We could nearly say that the below picture is the third harmonic of the first. This could be viewed in lots of different ways. We could say that one coil was resonant at 55.04KHz and the other is resonant at the third harmonic of that, which would be 220.16KHz (Please correct me if I am wrong!)
NOTE: The values and Images are from Stivep Video:-->Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device)<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHipGkfSAY)
It has been said a few times that the output power is generated when these conditions are met. This was the whole point of this Video Explanation.
These waves are known from the Coil Resonance where the highest (Q) Quality Factor is. -->Finding Self Resonant Frequency of an inductor<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PQmDOaTAk) At the highest point of the peaks is the best Q Factor of the Coil. This is Very Easy to do. Other ways to do it are the same as Akula does it in the video, drive Coil and tune the frequency till the coil under test resonates which will be seen on the scope.
For those that don't already know: Maximum Q Factor of the coil is reached when XC and XL are equal and as a result they each cancel. Where XC is Capacitive Reactance and XL is Inductive Reactance. At this point the Wave going into the coil is optimised for the length of the coil, you could say like an Antenna, this is where Power can be transferred at the optimium point and very little power is lost.
So the length of the wire determines the Resonance? Not entirely. The formula is still the same for LC Resonance:
1
F = ------------
2pi sqrt LC
So its the Inductance XL, and the Capacitance XC, Capacitance being the Coils Distributed Capacitance, ensuring we know that X is Reactance. See: -->Electromagnetic Wave Propagation<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VpDO2iYpRU) and -->Propagating Electromagnetic Wave<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Quarter%20Wave%20at%20Resonance.mpg)
More Complexities can happen in the Conductor if the Wavelength is not correct, Nodes can occur where Voltage can go to Zero and Current to Max... I don't want to go into this here because its not really relevant :)
My point of all this, is, that if we want to transfer any energy from one coil to another, its best to do it at resonance! Akula was showing us this in his videos.
All the Best
Chris
Good evening EMjunkie
OK, you are talking about XL, CL
(mistake..typo.. should be *XC* not CL) induced resonance.......
And Ferro-resonance and/or Dimensional Resonance are *different* animals from the XL and CL resonance.........
please see post #374: http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/360/#.U2LikIFdX7c
So, from what I have understood from all the information that has arrived to this forum pertaining to the Akula *devices* is:
The XL,CL Resonance frequency
MUST *coincide* with the Ferro-resonance and/or Dimensional Resonance Frequency (ies) of the coil in question for the *magic* to happen.
Any comments please????
take care, peace
lost_bro
Edit sorry for the confusion with the original post (put CL instead of XC... typo) , did not catch the mistake until EMJunkie answered this post below:
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
yes, I'm staying, I'm repeating what was told in conference with Akula:
1) find your transformers core resonance.
2) tune HF generators coil in resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 frequency transformers core resonance. you need to have 2 resonances at one time. ignorant people don't listen that.
Hey tysb3,
I agree with this exactly! This is the way I see it.
This must be done twice, once for each input coil, each at the harmonic interval difference I previously described.
All the Best
Chris
@ EMJunkie (http://www.overunity.com/profile/emjunkie.77841/) thank you.
I'm not professional in electronics, but I think 2 resonances is very tricky moment, not easy to catch them together.
Quote from: lost_bro on May 01, 2014, 08:12:49 PM
The XL,CL Resonance frequency MUST *coincide* with the Ferro-resonance and/or Dimensional Resonance Frequency (ies) of the coil in question for the *magic* to happen.
Hey Lost_Bro,
Yes, I sort of agree. We are talking about two different things here. But at this stage we don't want to confuse this topic. If those following are experimenting on this, they will start to see what we have talked about already then the next bit should start to fall into place.
The reason being, simplified, Ferro-resonance and/or Dimensional Resonance, is simply just Domain Wall Resonance, one could also say, its a spin Wave. Again this is way beyond where we are right now.
A beautiful example of this is here: -->Spin Wave on a Chain <-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWQ3r-2Xjeo)
Note:XL: Inductive Reactance - Inductive reactance is an opposition to the change of current through an element.
XC: Capacitive Reactance - Capacitive reactance is an opposition to the change of voltage across an element.
See: -->Electrical Reactance<-- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_reactance)
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 08:57:11 PM
@ EMJunkie (http://www.overunity.com/profile/emjunkie.77841/) thank you.
I'm not professional in electronics, but I think 2 resonances is very tricky moment, not easy to catch them together.
Hey tysb3,
I don't think they have to be entirely perfect. I think once they are close, we will start to see a
Standing Wave form that is a Harmonic of the two. We will see what can be achieved here and compare results.
The
Standing Wave Frequency will depend on the degree of Miss-Match between the two waves.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 01, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
Hey Lost_Bro,
Yes, I sort of agree. We are talking about two different things here. But at this stage we don't want to confuse this topic. If those following are experimenting on this, they will start to see what we have talked bout already then the next bit should start to fall into place.
The reason being, simplified, Ferro-resonance and/or Dimensional Resonance, is simply just Domain Wall Resonance, one could also say, its a spin Wave. Again this is way beyond where we are right now.
A beautiful example of this is here: -->Spin Wave on a Chain <-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWQ3r-2Xjeo)
Note:
XL: Inductive Reactance - Inductive reactance is an opposition to the change of current through an element.
XC: Capacitive Reactance - Capacitive reactance is an opposition to the change of voltage across an element.
See: -->Electrical Reactance<-- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_reactance)
All the Best
Chris
Hello EMJunkie
Just corrected my post above, put CL instead of XC,,, typo.....
I do *not* understand that the XL, XC resonance spoken of above to be the *type* of resonance that Akula talks of in the tape transcripts.....
Apparently he states many times the word *ferro resonance* and relates it to the type of resonance he *believes* his circuit is experiencing.
I would assume that someone who can design a SMPS type (O.U.????) circuit understands the difference between Ferro resonance and Common XL,XC resonance.
Just more food for thought as I play the devil's advocate ;)
take care, peace
lost_bro
@ EMJunkie (http://www.overunity.com/profile/emjunkie.77841/)
maybe it is some free limits, but Akula told, if you at home in the evening tune OU device and switch it off, in the morning you can't start it again because of change room temperature. you need to start tune device again. in the laboratory, where is always constant temperature, with this is no problem.
Quote from: lost_bro on May 01, 2014, 09:22:36 PM
Hello EMJunkie
Just corrected my post above, put CL instead of XC,,, typo.....
I do *not* understand that the XL, XC resonance spoken of above to be the *type* of resonance that Akula talks of in the tape transcripts.....
Apparently he states many times the word *ferro resonance* and relates it to the type of resonance he *believes* his circuit is experiencing.
I would assume that someone who can design a SMPS type (O.U.????) circuit understands the difference between Ferro resonance and Common XL,XC resonance.
Just more food for thought as I play the devil's advocate ;)
take care, peace
lost_bro
Hey Lost_Bro,
I suggest you repeat the experiment without taking into account the words spoken by Akula.
Its a very simple experiment. Will take maybe 5 minutes like Akula has shown in the Video. Also please watch the video again, with the volume off as you're doing the experiment.
I have in the past, quite often, and sometimes still do, used terminology that may not be correct for the actual situation. I do now make more of an effort to use the correct terminology as I know how it can severely confuse a situation.
You will see, by repeating the experiment, that's it is as I have explained. Its a well known effect, used in Antenna Tunning and so on.
All the Best
Chris
I've been waiting and waiting for anyone to come up with a ferroresonance pictures and so far, it seems, I have to do it myself.
Feast your eyes on the one attached.
The pulse's frequency is 630 kHz but the response is around 10 Mhz. (the core is a large (2") ferrite ring). Some other cores I've tested are from 600 kH to 1.5 mHz.
As a matter of interest I have ran spectrum analisys on the last one and it goes all the way to 5 Ghz. However, the ripples in the higher band are insignificant. Typically at the level of -27dB to -40dB.
~A
BTW,
the absolute majority of people here are wrong. Finding the resonance is extremely easy. Just shoot a sharp impulse at the core and, hey, presto!
2 resonances (or 22 for that matter) are equally as easy.
I am running sweeping analisys on dual frequencies pulse system but, so far, there is nothing interesting to report.
@ avalon
yes, there was (not mine)
Quote from: tysb3 on April 30, 2014, 11:22:40 PM
@ AlI
one more possibility how to find core resonance:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
The trouble is I do not follow that forum.
Regardless, it looks very similar.
So, any studies on beat frequencies? After all, we are interested in an unusually big response we can use.
~A
@All,
I have found a way to produce the signals we need. Its quite cost efficient, doesn't require lot of time and is easy. Its very flexible and should be very easy to implement.
What's in your Tool Kit?
Most of us have been using Microcontrollers, some have been using them for sometime!
If your Tool Kit does not Include a Microcontroller them I highly recommend you start looking at it.
Microcontrollers - FEZ Hydra
I have programed a FEZ Hydra to produce the signals we need! Initially I did not think it would be possible due to CPU PWM Frequency Limitations. I am having stray inductance issues at high frequency but its not too bad considering.
Its early days in this endeavour and lots of improvements can be made. The point is that the signals are there, they are good for High Frequency with a little tiding up we could make big improvements.
If enough are keen then I can move forward and show others how to do it.
Advisory
I don't recommend anyone rush out and purchase a FEZ Hydra at this point in time! Its early and this path of investigation may not result in what we are after. For those that don't have a FEZ Hydra already that is! If you have a FEZ Hydra sitting around and have not used for a while then let me know and we can start some very simple experiments.
NOTE: If you're new to the FEZ Hydra, it can be a little problematic and in the past has had a ton of issues. Most issues are now fixed which is good!
All the Best
Chris
@EMJunkie
Hi. I just started learning about uControllers a few weeks ago. I decided to start with Arduino since it has so much support. They are really cool and save a lot of components & space. It's fun programming
a MC and watching it do what you program it to do!
Hi All,
Thoughts predicted ferrite core used in the circuit of Akula0083. NiZn ferrite core that Stefan mentioned here: http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg400860/ # new
Will be reduced somewhat failed experiment in the circuitry Akula, that people are doing. . .
Regards
Quote from: rc3po on May 02, 2014, 04:46:37 AM
@EMJunkie
Hi. I just started learning about uControllers a few weeks ago. I decided to start with Arduino since it has so much support. They are really cool and save a lot of components & space. It's fun programming
a MC and watching it do what you program it to do!
Hey rc3po,
For sure, they are good fun! They can do so much once one learns how! Then once one gets sick of that project, more can be done with it later!
Hard to get tired of Microcontrollers.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: MenofFather on April 28, 2014, 07:34:37 AM
Here schematic, If you not make exatly like here, then not say, that it not works. But here also maybe something need ajust. Roman something speak about capasitor, who need ajust, but I not understand about that capasitor he speak. Or about C3 or about C13 or maybe about other? Also here is two feedback pachs, one from C5 capasitor, other from C13 capasitor. L3 inductor good be use like in picture ferite ring with tick white wire. It have about 20-30 mikrohenries, maybe 50 uH, but or about 200 or about 100 microhenries is to big, I now not good remeber.
Hi MenofFather,
You have printed circuits from the circuit diagram, please share. There may not need to adjust anything else? Work done on the core windings ferrte? . .
Regards
Quote from: avalon on May 01, 2014, 10:32:48 PM
I've been waiting and waiting for anyone to come up with a ferroresonance pictures and so far, it seems, I have to do it myself.
Feast your eyes on the one attached.
The pulse's frequency is 630 kHz but the response is around 10 Mhz. (the core is a large (2") ferrite ring). Some other cores I've tested are from 600 kH to 1.5 mHz.
As a matter of interest I have ran spectrum analisys on the last one and it goes all the way to 5 Ghz. However, the ripples in the higher band are insignificant. Typically at the level of -27dB to -40dB.
~A
BTW,
the absolute majority of people here are wrong. Finding the resonance is extremely easy. Just shoot a sharp impulse at the core and, hey, presto!
2 resonances (or 22 for that matter) are equally as easy.
I am running sweeping analisys on dual frequencies pulse system but, so far, there is nothing interesting to report.
Hey Avalon,
If I may suggest, be careful that what you're seeing is not Ring Down from the Coil and nothing to do with the Core Material. If the inductance changes too much it can change the Coil Ring down also.
Good Work though!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on May 02, 2014, 06:49:38 AM
Hi MenofFather,
You have printed circuits from the circuit diagram, please share. There may not need to adjust anything else? Work done on the core windings ferrte? . .
Regards
I not printed circuit. I dont knwoh that exatly need ajust. But maybe and nothing need ajust, only frenquency. Akula say, that gose пачки импульсов, that means impuls, impuls, impuls.... silents and again impuls, impuls, impuls... And if you make generator who sends this pachki of pulses, then not need maybe that ajusting and no need any fedback, then maybe be easear. If about turns, here not wery important how you wound primary and secondary, just wound good like in standar transformer. Air gap also not wery important, you with it also can little maybe ajust.
;)
Hi MenofFather,
If I understand correctly, so it is crucial to success, it is true cycles ferrite resonators right? . . I think if only (impuls, impuls, impuls). . like a pulse transformer to increase or decrease the output voltage that! . . did not achieve OU. . .
Quote from: havuhung on May 02, 2014, 07:59:42 AM
Hi MenofFather,
If I understand correctly, so it is crucial to success, it is true cycles ferrite resonators right? . . I think if only (impuls, impuls, impuls). . like a pulse transformer to increase or decrease the output voltage that! . . did not achieve OU. . .
That is resonators? Were maybe be crucial, that is pulse pulse pulse__________pulse pulse pulse___________pulse pulse pulse________ and so on. If only be pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse, without space betwen them, then maybe you newer get overunity with schematic of Akula 30 W. Back pach from C13 makes maybe that spaces, whose gose to pin one of TL494. And back pach of C5 and R5 makes maybe duty cycle of that pulses: make bigger load, it makes longer pulses, make smaller load, it makes shorter pulses. Choke betwen C13 and C11 is not simple filter, it is important thing.
Hi MenofFather,
Thank you. 8)
Havuhung
Hi Meno,
That is correct, with my device if use a train pulse with no space inbetween my amps go up when adding load. When i use a train pulse with space inbetween and at the right distance my device does not notice it loads connected to it. I have done somany tests to verify this for my self and it does make a big difference.
My pulses are x x . . Or . . x x . . Without space like x x nothing special happens with my device.
I think it got something to by pulsing on a sub harmonic of the main frequency, and giving it space to breath
Greets JB
Quote from: MenofFather on May 02, 2014, 08:48:23 AM
That is resonators? Were maybe be crucial, that is pulse pulse pulse__________pulse pulse pulse___________pulse pulse pulse________ and so on. If only be pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse pulse, without space betwen them, then maybe you newer get overunity with schematic of Akula 30 W. Back pach from C13 makes maybe that spaces, whose gose to pin one of TL494. And back pach of C5 and R5 makes maybe duty cycle of that pulses: make bigger load, it makes longer pulses, make smaller load, it makes shorter pulses. Choke betwen C13 and C11 is not simple filter, it is important thing.
JohnnBlade (http://www.overunity.com/profile/johnnblade.79280/), maybe you need use more lower frenquency of space if you not using any back pach? Or ajust R11 if you using back pachs.Can you make photo of your divice and show that going from Tl494 in oscilioscope photo?
Although finding the coil or ferrite core resonant frequency may be a simple matter, this does not guarantee a self running device. Each coi/core combination will have it's own set of normal running frequencies, but they may not really do anything unusual, as most ave found.
Dr. Stiffler has mentioned something about a resonant "Spacial Coherence", as being different from the circuits normal running resonant frequency. This may be what we should be aiming for. And not just whatever frequencies are emitted by the coils or cores themselves, as those will be different with each circuit. So, there may be no point tuning to a certain fixed frequency, as that may not be where the extra energy is found, but looking for this spacial coherence factor, instead.
Check into this Spacial Coherence, as the Doc was able to light several leds, without any external input, at all. Possibly this is what may also going on in the low output devices as well as the higher output ones, that people like Akula is showing.
The Docs findings are not BS, faked, or misleading, and have been replicated to some degree.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
yes, I'm staying, I'm repeating what was told in conference with Akula:
1) find your transformers core resonance.
...and right off the bat you are very ambiguous.
Namely, what resonance frequency are you writing about?:
1) LCR resonance (what C ?)
2) Standing EM wave resonance inside the core (related to its permeability and permittivity)
3) Nuclear Magnetic or Nuclear Acoustic Resonance
4) Electron Spin Resonance
5) Resonance of acoustic standing waves (a.k.a. "dimensional resonance")
a) transverse
b) longitudinal
c) torsional
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
...and right off the bat you are very ambiguous.
Namely, what resonance frequency are you writing about?:
1) LCR resonance (what C ?)
2) Standing EM wave resonance inside the core (related to its permeability and permittivity)
3) Nuclear Magnetic or Nuclear Acoustic Resonance
4) Electron Spin Resonance
5) Resonance of acoustic standing waves (a.k.a. "dimensional resonance")
a) transverse
b) longitudinal
2) tune HF generators coil in resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 frequency transformers core resonance. you need to have 2 resonances at one time. ignorant people don't listen that.
Need found feroresonance. Then ask Akula or it is mechanic vibrations or that, somthing like this, he say, that maybe be and that and that, somthing like this he say, he himself wery good not know that it is resonance. But only here not LC resonance. And core resonance ferite not strongly depeends how much you wound turns, if you 100 meters wound, then sine be рваное, how he say. :)
I try decode...
Григорий: А у кого-то есть вот дома генератор и осцилиограф на несколько мегагерц?
Акула: Ну, у меня есть. Привет, кстати всем!
Григорий: Да, привет! У тебя понятно, ты ж какбы не хочешь это... раскрывать секрет.
Акула: Нет, ты вообще не прав. Я абсолютно расказал своё видение работы, показал осцилиограммы, дал схемное объяснение. То есть, ребята... а то что я не оспариваю чьи-то мнения, ну это же совершенно другой факт. Почему вы так заявляете, что я не хочу? Я абсолютно всё показал, причём не на одном схематическом решении.
Неизвестный: Ром, (Акула) слушай, раз уж такое дело: как так получаеться, что при ферорезонансе там всплески появляються, когда видео, где частота генерации в районе 20 герц, а частота на ферите около 250 герц и там не синус а именно всплески, от куда там всплески беруться, вот это хотел спросить.
Акула (Рома, Роман): Ну смотрите: у меня ВЧ (высокой частоты) генератор работает именно на частоте ферита. То есть сигналы идут... вот эта микросхемка 34063, она как раз создаёт сигналы, скважность которых не превышает частоту ферита, а равное ему. И вот уже работая на частоте ферита, она формирует низкочастотные колебания общего ЛЦ контура получившегося.
Неизвестный: Счас попробую осмыслить.
Акула: Объясняю: То есть первоначальный генератор ВЧ, он открываеться, допустим, представим, у него же там внутри транзистор есть, так вот у него транзистор открываеться и закрываеться с таким же временем работы ферорезонанса. То есть, когда у нас транзистор на ВЧ генераторе открылся, он не пересекает время работы феромагнита. Поэтому он не жрёт практически ничего, то есть схемы потребление идёт нулевое. Ей лишь только необходимо дополнять электроны, потому что она всё равно их тратит на эти моменты открытия и закрытия транзистора. Проще говоря: вы нашли ферит, допустим частоту, она, допустим равняеться два с половиной (2,5) мегагерца, вот, засекаете время амплитуды пол волны, так вот ваш ВЧ генератор не должен открываться и закрываться дольше, а должен открываться и закрываться согласно этому времени. И уже пачками импульсов, согласно ферорезонансу, мы формируем уже низкочастотные колебания.
...
Григорий: Будет ли опубликованна схема фонарика номер 3? Такой первый вопрос.
Акула: Будет опубликованна, только когда - не знаю.
Неизвестный: А где посмотреть первый, второй, третий?
Акула: Только у тех ребят, здесь и сейчас есть наличие видео, могут перекинуть. У меня, но в принципе... я ссылки давал, они сейчас имеються. Видео находиться в закрытом досткупе, но ссылки имеються. Могу сейчас эти ссылки поместить, этих видео.
Неизвестный: Если можно пожалуйста.
Акула: Да и ещё... а в принципе там по поводу опубликации схемы, ну а что там опубликовывать? Два генератора. Там нечего то и опубликовывать в основном.
Вопрос: Какие частоты идут с каждой ТЛ494 и какая скважность в процентах приблизительно?
Акула: Низкочастотный 50 процентная. ВЧ генератор работает на времени ферорезонанса.
Григорий: ВЧ - это ферорезонанс? Да? То есть пару мегагерц, взависимости от ферита? А низкая частота какая?
Акула: Нет! Там частота может быть и 200 килогерц и 300 килогерц, а скважность этой частоты как раз и равняеться времени ферорезонанса.
Неизвестный: А во, Роман, как объективно увидеть, что ферит вошёл в резонансную свою частоту?
Акула: Ферит не должен входить в резонанс на свою частоту, ребята, вы не увидете там на осцилиограмах нигде амплитуду ферорезонанса. Вы лишь изначально её проверяете для определения времени скважности работы ВЧ генератора.
Неизвестный: То есть получаеться генератор генерирует эти, не помню, 13, ну вобщем, в районе двадцати герц, но со скважностью отностительно ферорезонанса, так получаеться?
Акула: Да, вот этот ВЧ генератор, который у меня на осцилиограммах же был жёлтый, на самом деле он там... частота импульсов следоваиния почти 1 мегагерц, но скважность их ровняеться 3,5 мегагерца, потому что ферит, чашка звенит на 3,5 мегагерца, в районе, в районе этого.
Григорй, следующий вопрос, такая фраза, что значит пришлось подстраивать фронты, выходной транзистор ТЛ генератора трансформации?
Акула: Если низкочастотный генератор, который работет на 50 процентной скважности и формирует низкочастотные колебания, если время открытия транзистора и время закрытия транзистора превысит время ферорезонанса, то вы нарушите работу, основную, ВЧ генератора. Ну это ж логично.
Here decode some part, you can now try translate ewery word and know that exatly saying Roman (Akula).
Quote from: MenofFather on May 02, 2014, 11:42:05 AM
Need found feroresonance. Then ask Akula or it is mechanic vibrations or that, somthing like this, he say, that maybe be and that and that, somthing like this he say, he himself wery good not know that it is resonance. But only here not LC resonance. And core resonance ferite not strongly depeends how much you wound turns, if you 100 meters wound, then sine be рваное, how he say. :)
Quote from: lost_bro on May 01, 2014, 09:22:36 PM
........I do *not* understand that the XL, XC resonance spoken of above to be the *type* of resonance that Akula talks of in the tape transcripts.....
Apparently he states many times the word *ferro resonance* and relates it to the type of resonance he *believes* his circuit is experiencing.
I would assume that someone who can design a SMPS type (O.U.????) circuit understands the difference between Ferro resonance and Common XL,XC resonance.
Just more food for thought as I play the devil's advocate ;)
take care, peace
lost_bro
So again, it is re-iterated that is is
*NOT* only the LC inductance of a coil set that is at play here.......
Акула (Рома, Роман): Ну смотрите: у меня ВЧ (высокой частоты) генератор работает именно на частоте ферита. То есть сигналы идут... вот эта микросхемка 34063, она как раз создаёт сигналы, скважность которых не превышает частоту ферита, а равное ему. И вот уже работая на частоте ферита, она формирует низкочастотные колебания общего ЛЦ контура получившегося.
: Well, look : I HF ( high frequency) generator is running at a frequency of Ferit . That is, the signals go ... here this mikroshemka 34063 , it just creates signals duty cycle does not exceed Ferit frequency and is equal to it . And now, working at a frequency of Ferit , it forms a low-frequency oscillation of the LC circuit resulting total .
Unfortunately, its seems Akula does *not* understand exactly which *other* species of resonance is effecting said reaction.
take care, peace
lost_bro
@ verpies (http://www.overunity.com/profile/verpies.28297/)
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
...and right off the bat you are very ambiguous.
Namely, what resonance frequency are you writing about?:
1) LCR resonance (what C ?)
2) Standing EM wave resonance inside the core (related to its permeability and permittivity)
3) Nuclear Magnetic or Nuclear Acoustic Resonance
4) Electron Spin Resonance
5) Resonance of acoustic standing waves (a.k.a. "dimensional resonance")
a) transverse
b) longitudinal
2) tune HF generators coil in resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 frequency transformers core resonance. you need to have 2 resonances at one time. ignorant people don't listen that.
the ferromagnetic resonance frequency is there:
Quote from: tysb3 on April 30, 2014, 11:22:40 PM
@ AlI
one more possibility how to find core resonance:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
I'm showing you where is the money. you asking me how they are printed. nobody understand Einsteins theory because it is hoax, but plenty pseudo scientists made money from it. the atomic Bohr model is hoax to. all the experiments was faked.
@ MenofFather:
Thanks for your comments.
It would be great if someone like yourself could visit Akula, and get some real first hand tuning information, on his current tuning methods.
I feel that Akula is following the same or similar path to what Dr. Stiffler proposed, By looking for and tuning to that exact resonant "sweet spot", of whichever type of energy it is. Usually this requires the use of the spectrum analyzer.
I've not seen a true and exact replication of any of Akula's devices. Nor of his tuning methods, either.
Verpies: Yes, we do need to know where to aim our gun, or, we'll miss the target.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 02, 2014, 12:52:36 PM
nobody understand Einsteins theory because it is hoax, but plenty pseudo scientists made money from it. the atomic Bohr model is hoax to. all the experiments was faked.
Regardless of the validity of Einstein's theory of General Realtivity and Bohr's atomic model you cannot conflate the LCR resonance with the Nuclear Magnetic resonance shown in this experiment (http://youtu.be/03KebG_hZMQ?t=0m15s) or this one (http://youtu.be/Bf3r9Db0TSs?t=2m56s) or with Acoustic Resonance shown in this experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0YO_U945c) or this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qauZ4WBwAOM) or with any of the other types of resonance.
So rather then bashing the legacy science, directly answer the question which one is it?
@ verpies (http://www.overunity.com/profile/verpies.28297/)
You have repeatedly been shown:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
Excerpt: "Причем количество витков не влияет на резонанс."
translate: "Moreover, the number of turns does not affect resonance."
Quote from: tysb3 on May 02, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
You have repeatedly been shown:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
You cannot assume that a member of an English forum will understand the nuances of a technical text written in Russian.
I have not been shown anything meaningful to me and you still have not answered my question
directly.
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2014, 02:37:14 PM
You cannot assume that a member of an English forum will understand the nuances of a technical text written in Russian.
I have not been shown anything meaningful to me and you still have not answered my question directly.
that's the problem of ignorant people. there is three sentences ( the key sentence was translated for you ) and five pictures. there is nothing to understand if you are not ignorant troll and have a basic electronics knowledge.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 01, 2014, 09:28:02 PM
@ EMJunkie (http://www.overunity.com/profile/emjunkie.77841/)
maybe it is some free limits, but Akula told, if you at home in the evening tune OU device and switch it off, in the morning you can't start it again because of change room temperature. you need to start tune device again. in the laboratory, where is always constant temperature, with this is no problem.
And of course if you move a few km north or south you will be in a completely different ambient magnetic field environment alignment due to the Earth's magnetic field. You may not be able to get it working at all, then.
Right?
This is Special Pleading. There is no evidence, other than Akula's anecdote, to support the contention that the perpetual running of the LEDs has anything to do with room or lab temperature or the Earth's magnetic field, or which side of the German border you happen to be on.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 02, 2014, 02:48:14 PM
that's the problem of ignorant people. there is three sentences ( the key sentence was translated for you ) and five pictures. there is nothing to understand if you are not ignorant troll and have basic electronics knowledge.
What I find hard to understand is how, and why, YOU, tysb3, who have not shown
your own self-running device, can presume to be so insulting to verpies, one of the most knowledgeable and competent experimenters on this forum.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2014, 04:00:14 PM
And of course if you move a few km north or south you will be in a completely different ambient magnetic field environment alignment due to the Earth's magnetic field. You may not be able to get it working at all, then.
Right?
This is Special Pleading. There is no evidence, other than Akula's anecdote, to support the contention that the perpetual running of the LEDs has anything to do with room or lab temperature or the Earth's magnetic field, or which side of the German border you happen to be on.
not right. again you opened wrong doors.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2014, 04:01:56 PM
What I find hard to understand is how, and why, YOU, tysb3, who have not shown your own self-running device, can presume to be so insulting to verpies, one of the most knowledgeable and competent experimenters on this forum.
"Never confuse education with intelligence"
Quote from: tysb3 on May 02, 2014, 02:48:14 PM
the key sentence was translated for you
...but that was not a direct answer.
The cited independence of the resonance frequency from the inductance (number of turns) only eliminates pt.1.
Why are you playing games and writing so many words instead of
directly answering with e.g. "
pt. 5b (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400922/#msg400922)" or "
pt. 3 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400922/#msg400922)", etc...?
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2014, 04:19:35 PM
...but that was not a direct answer.
The cited ndependence of the resonance frequency from the inductance (number of turns) only eliminates pt.1.
Why are you playing games and writing so many words instead of directly answering with e.g. "pt. 5b (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400922/#msg400922)" or "pt. 3 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400922/#msg400922)", etc...?
for you was given directly answer what of resonance was using Akula and how to find it. I give you the money you are asking how they printed. when you start using them maybe you understand from what they made.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 02, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
"Never confuse education with intelligence"
.. says the man who believes that the Twin Towers were demolished by an underground nuclear blast...
~A
Quote from: avalon on May 02, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
.. says the man who believes that the Twin Towers were demolished by an underground nuclear blast...
~A
not believe I know for sure because understand the laws of physics.
@EVERYONE
This post just might be the most important post of all this thread!
LOOK AT THE FACTS!!!
Everyone, facts are facts! Words means nothing if a fact proves the words to be wrong!
All the Experiments, all the circuits show such thing as a pulse train! If you find a circuit or a video which proves this to be wrong please provide the evidence!
This is totally wrong! Take ONLY the facts from the entire Akula experience and leave the rest behind. Repeat the Akula Experiments! Do what he did!
Please, everyone, don't get side tracked!
All the Best
Chris
Hi Meno,
My device is different from akula device, mine is Tesla ACMM.
But what you mentioned is what i have been testing, its the behavior of my device and not the effects from akulas circuit. ( but i do have all akula parts in house to try most of akulas circuits, but sofare im more testing work of Tesla )
Now that i added more pick up coils i had to change of train pulses to.
Its now X . . X and then reset and if my pulses are X . . X . . . . And then reset then my output amps start affecting the input amps but i can get about 150mA extra but input will go up by about 30 or 50 mA
With the current pulses, the input does not change while i short circuit the output but output can get up to 380mA while in stays at 270mA ( 270mA is my reference point )
Greets JB
Ps: i will make another movie whereby i do all my default pressure tests.
Quote from: MenofFather on May 02, 2014, 09:45:35 AM
JohnnBlade (http://www.overunity.com/profile/johnnblade.79280/), maybe you need use more lower frenquency of space if you not using any back pach? Or ajust R11 if you using back pachs.Can you make photo of your divice and show that going from Tl494 in oscilioscope photo?
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 02, 2014, 05:15:09 PM
@EVERYONE
This post just might be the most important post of all this thread!
LOOK AT THE FACTS!!!
Everyone, facts are facts! Words means nothing if a fact proves the words to be wrong!
All the Experiments, all the circuits show such thing as a pulse train! If you find a circuit or a video which proves this to be wrong please provide the evidence!
This is totally wrong! Take ONLY the facts from the entire Akula experience and leave the rest behind. Repeat the Akula Experiments! Do what he did!
Please, everyone, don't get side tracked!
All the Best
Chris
@EVERYONE
Wesley tells you the same as I just have: -->Wesley Translate's Akula#7 SCHEMATIC Free Energy Device<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFZX-zUYlmM)
PLEASE don't get side tracked!
All the Best
Chris
This utterly cracks me up. A couple of days ago Steve Weir made a comment on my latest Akula waveform scoposcopy video...
QuoteThese situations are a really good application for a phase locked loop that uses a multiplying phase comparator. A multiplying phase comparator which can be made with an XOR gate will average out the random noise. A CD4046 is ideal for these low frequency signals and includes both a multiplying phase detector, and a phase frequency detector.
Is Steve in cahoots with Akula, I wonder? Or maybe the other way around?
But that's an old video, from November of last year. Surely we have moved on from there?
Isnt that a frequency devider instead of a multiplier?
Im using that one to, to devide my frequencies, but not multiplying it, but it has less pins
@Steve
Good shit Tinsel,
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 02, 2014, 08:23:17 PM
This utterly cracks me up. A couple of days ago Steve Weir made a comment on my latest Akula waveform scoposcopy video...
Is Steve in cahoots with Akula, I wonder? Or maybe the other way around?
But that's an old video, from November of last year. Surely we have moved on from there?
I wasn't sure where to post about this here will do. Maybe one of the folks experimenting with TV yolks have noticed the effect I will describe below, or maybe it is normal, although I can't say I've seen the effect so pronounced.
Setup is a regular smallish TV yolk with around 100 turns on each half of 0.5 mm magnet wire one side has about 4.25 mH and the other is about 3.85 mH, I connected the function generator to the 4.25 mH winding with a sine wave signal at almost full amplitude which I think is about + - 18v and scoped both windings. The LC calculator here http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Calculators/LC-Calculator.htm says that with 4 mH and 100 pF capacitance (added for instrument capacitance) the resonant frequency should be at about 250 kHz and it does seem as though it is as the amplitude of the wave forms peak and the undriven winding increases voltage from slightly less than the driven winding to about the same.
But here is the interesting part when I keep increasing the input frequency then the undriven waveform distorts then increases amplitude a lot but the driven one doesn't ( it's on the opposite half of the yolk, they are clipped together), then when the input frequency approaches around 1000 khz the undriven winding phase differs from the driven one and develops a quite high voltage sine wave which goes to 330 volts pp while the driven side is still 14 volts pp. I haven't used the HV probe yet to see actually how high it goes.
My question is. Is this normal ? I can make a quick video clip to show it if get time tonight. It's kinda interesting.
I would not have thought that driving the winding at a frequency so much above the LC resonance would show such voltages. What am I missing ? I'll investigate some more and get some better numbers make a drawing or short video clip or something to better explain, typing is a pain.
..
Correction above : the undriven wave form peaks at 330 volts pp with the driven wave form at 14 volts pp and 90 degrees phase difference between them at 1040 mHz.
I guess I'll try some capacitors and see what happens. :D
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Try driving with a _square_ wave and see what happens.
I think you are finding the actual resonant frequency and your calculation isn't taking some factor into account.
1040mHz? what?
Yes, I did do that and you are correct Tinsel, perfectly normal operation.
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Quote from: Farmhand on May 03, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
I wasn't sure where to post about this here will do. Maybe one of the folks experimenting with TV yolks have noticed the effect I will describe below, or maybe it is normal, although I can't say I've seen the effect so pronounced.
I admit that I do not understand your system precisely: I don't know what the coupling coefficient (K) between these windings is and what are the leakage inductances leftover if K<1.
Do you realize that these leakage inductance form two loosely coupled LC circuits that were the subject of
this thread (http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg384637/#msg384637) ?
I try put into one coil of transformer pachki of pulses, so consumption is wery small in that way.
Quote from: MenofFather on May 03, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
I try put into one coil of transformer pachki of pulses, so consumption is wery small in that way.
Pachki of pulses = Bursts of pulses
My dual 494 circuit is built up and the transformer wound and connected. I am taking a slightly different approach and not trying to light any LED's, rather I am allowing 100% of the output of the 19 turn winding to bootstrap the power input using a Schottky diode.
My reasoning is that it will be easier to find the sweet spot without trying to drag the load of the LEDs along with the other circuit quiescent burdens.
I am supplying 9 volts input from a power supply (through a decoupling diode) and am watching the current as I tune, the idea being to find a sudden dip in the current drain, which is typically around 10 mA. So the circuit completely bootstrapped draws around 90 mW at one setting of the pots.
If the sweet spot is found the voltage should soar beyond the 9 volt input setting and the voltage shutdown potentiometer is set to shut the circuit down at 10 volts. If the sweet spot is found, the oscillator circuit will then be "gated" as it cycles around the voltage limit.
I am also watching the waveforms as I tune.
With such a broad range of tuning, and so many parameters to tune it is like trying to find a needle in the haystack. It would be helpful to know the approximate center frequency and duty cycle for each oscillator in an attempt to narrow the tuning range, but I know this will differ for each ferrite used.
Note that the transformer phasing dots on the hand drawn schematic are not shown on the later "cleaned up" schematics.
Vortex1/ION
Quote from: verpies on May 02, 2014, 02:37:14 PM
You cannot assume that a member of an English forum will understand the nuances of a technical text written in Russian.
I have not been shown anything meaningful to me and you still have not answered my question directly.
Actually Google translate did a pretty good job with this document: (for a nice change) :-[
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
When conducted experiments on nuclear magnetic resonance, the resonance frequency ferrite sought so (more options I have not found). Pickup coil must be arranged in other geometrical axes.Moreover, the number of revolutions does not affect resonance.When a short pulse (0.5-1us) 12-20 volts...immediately see the frequency of the ringing...Appearance generator short pulses...DonL
Quote from: Vortex1 on May 03, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
My dual 494 circuit is built up and the transformer wound and connected.
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Akula say somthing like that, that this two generators must be sinchronised. If I good remember передние фронты должны совпасть. First fronts of one generator and other must opens at same time, close can not at same time. From video wthout supply we hear that one frenquency is can be quate low, about 10-17 kiloherc (because we hear them). Other frenquecy of HF generator must be somethig like 200-300 kiloherc with lenght of signal/pulse 100-300 nanoseconds. Because feroresonance frenquency, for example, in one Akula ferite is 3.5 megaherc, so you smash every five or every 6, 4 pulse. Akula in conference, who be yesterday say, how he finding feroresonance frenquency. He puting near ferite coil and puting to it signal from generator of noise and on ferite is one turn of winding and that turn he conect to spectr analiser, and then see everything, all frenquences...
About Akula0083 30 Watt lantern Akula say something like that, that this schematic is not compleated, but he not give full schematic. And all this schematics he made (Lantern 80 W, Lantern 60 W and so on). For example in Lantern 80 W shine incandesel lamp, how he say.
Ruslan, who replicated this 30 W lantern, and we see his videos, also say, how I remeber, that Akula give not fully compleated schematic, something like this he say. And akula say something like that, that this schematic not easy ajust, he ajustingwith oscilioscope after it stop working tomorow for example, something like this he say, but and not too hard ajust.
Quote from: MenofFather on May 04, 2014, 02:49:30 AM
Akula say somthing like that, that this two generators must be sinchronised. If I good remember передние фронты должны совпасть. First fronts of one generator and other must opens at same time, close can not at same time. From video wthout supply we hear that one frenquency is can be quate low, about 10-17 kiloherc (because we hear them). Other frenquecy of HF generator must be somethig like 200-300 kiloherc with lenght of signal/pulse 100-300 nanoseconds. Because feroresonance frenquency, for example, in one Akula ferite is 3.5 megaherc, so you smash every five or every 6, 4 pulse. Akula in conference, who be yesterday say, how he finding feroresonance frenquency. He puting near ferite coil and puting to it signal from generator of noise and on ferite is one turn of winding and that turn he conect to spectr analiser, and then see everything, all frenquences...
Hi MenofFather,
I'm assembling this circuit testing, because considering Video clip shows it is not fake. But the value of the components on the circuit diagram can not certainly true. Regarding the operating frequency of the circuit can approximate as you say. . .Play Video clip, I listened, Mr Akula have similar noise axis potentiometer adjustment of the oscillation frequency of the horizontal Television. . .
You may provide additional information about this circuit?. . Or more details on Mr Akula said. . .
Regards
Quote from: havuhung on May 04, 2014, 06:18:01 AM
Hi MenofFather,
I'm assembling this circuit testing, because considering Video clip shows it is not fake. But the value of the components on the circuit diagram can not certainly true. Regarding the operating frequency of the circuit can approximate as you say, I listened as, Mr Akula axis adjustment potentiometer have similar noise of the oscillation frequency of the horizontal Television. You may provide additional information about this circuit?. . Or more details on Mr Akula said. . .
Regards
I not enought understand question about television, about that exactly circuit?
But all schematic that I see on overunity and other forum of 1 W latern is not corect, because that generators not have sinchronisation. How made that sinchronisation I do not knwoh, maybe help skiled electronics in this situation.
Akula say in conference about this divice. [size=78%]http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/partinet2005.png (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/partinet2005.png)[/size] Frenquency of spark gap he recomendate about 300-500 herc.
And say that this schematic work http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/1_2013-10-25.JPG but not wery succesefully, he with labaratory run it 3 times with selfrunning about 3 hours every time, but he not make corect ajustions and this divice before ajustment all burn or something not good to it makes.
And he speak about generator of Hendershot, that it use not comon material. And he replicate with labaratory Hendershot divice.
In big divices akula make automatic resonance ajustment.
And first his divice were he mentioning about choke and Hendershot in video, How I understand have hand made capasitor. He recomendate for thats divice, something like this, made hand made capasitors.
Quote from: Farmhand on May 03, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
the resonant frequency should be at about 250 kHz
Around the calculated 250KHz, did you notice a peak in amplitude even less than the one at 1.04MHz?
Quote from: MenofFather on May 04, 2014, 07:04:49 AM
I not enought understand question about television, about that exactly circuit?
But all schematic that I see on overunity and other forum of 1 W latern is not corect, because that generators not have sinchronisation. How made that sinchronisation I do not knwoh, maybe help skiled electronics in this situation.
Akula say in conference about this divice. [size=78%]http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/partinet2005.png (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/partinet2005.png)[/size] Frenquency of spark gap he recomendate about 300-500 herc.
And say that this schematic work http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/1_2013-10-25.JPG (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/1_2013-10-25.JPG) but not wery succesefully, he with labaratory run it 3 times with selfrunning about 3 hours every time, but he not make corect ajustions and this divice before ajustment all burn or something not good to it makes.
And he speak about generator of Hendershot, that it use not comon material. And he replicate with labaratory Hendershot divice.
In big divices akula make automatic resonance ajustment.
And first his divice were he mentioning about choke and Hendershot in video, How I understand have hand made capasitor. He recomendate for thats divice, something like this, made hand made capasitors.
Hi MenofFather,
I'm sorry for not writing the full meaning of the saying: . . .( Play Video clip, I listened, Mr Akula have similar noise axis potentiometer adjustment of the oscillation frequency of the horizontal Television). . .
So how to sync frequency of the circuit board Akula0083 No3-Disassembly-Lantern, the circuit board has two TL 494 it is two distinct sources of oscillations?
Add information about 30 W divice.
Вопрос: По поводу 30 ваттного фонарика, там ты регулируешь частоты низкочастотного генератора?
Akula say: Нет, ребята, там ВЧ импульсы, пачки ВЧ импульсов, они... ну как вам объяснить? надо включить, дело в том, что когда у вас трансформатор при включении входит в низкочастотную амплитуду, у вас там уже автоматически будут формироваться пачки импульсов, то есть, потому что там идёт обратная связь по току, то есть, когда уже светодиоды перенакалились подают сигнал ТЛ генератору, ТЛ генератор выключается, соответственно происходит перенапряжение, там идёт двоичное уменьшение скважности, то есть выключение полностью. Тем более, если вы даташит расмотрите, у меня там на самой схеме отключено плавное регулирование скважности генератора, он либо есть, либо нету, поэтому там формируются пачки импульсов с частотой ферорезонанса. И он автоматически формируется, так как у нас, допустим, конденсатор зарядился до необходимого напряжения, то есть прошла определённая пачка импульсов, ТЛ генератор, он выключил в это время транзистор до тех пор пока конденсатор не зарядиться. Этот цикл формируется низкочастотной амплитуды общего трансформатора, который уже в этот момент входит в резонанс.
Арунас: Ну вообще на счёт этого, на овеюунити форуме долго мучались, пытались понять, как эта обратная связь работает.
Акула: Ну там видишь, какая ерунда получается, ТЛ-ку ставишь вне плавное регулирование скважности, да? по обратной связи, а резкое выключение, либо есть, либо нет сигнала и получается так, ТK-ка дозарядила, видит дозаряженный конденсатор, она выключается и это будет происходить циклично. Так как в током трансформаторе уже образовалось амплитуда и она этот цикл начинает автоматически связывать, то есть, тут ТЛ-ка, она по сути дела, она не является, как таковым генератором. Она уже делает всё, что происходит в самом трансформаторе. То есть уже трансформатор начинает рвать цикл включения пачек импульсов и выключения на ТЛ-ке, подавая этим самым ток на светодиоды, отрубая по обратной связи, да? то есть по комаратору, эээ вторично уже дозаряжая конденсатор. То есть давая сигнал на выключение. То есть ТЛ-ка там зависима, она как таковая не формирует ничего, в ней задаётся именно скважность, это - равная феромагнитному резонансу и частота следования импульсов, а цикличность их уже формируется самим трансформатором.
Арунас: там насчёт, следующие два момента. один у тебя (не расслышеное слово) как частота, а второй это принцип, где ты находишь именно для обратной связи насколько я понял, да?
Акула: Да, то есть смотри, по току, когда у нас светодиоды начинают больше тока пропускать, у нас идёт команда на выключение полностью ТЛ-ки. То же самое, идёт перестраховка по напряжению.
Арунас: Ну я так и понял, спасибо.
Акула: Теперь смотри: у меня третья ножка задействована. Да? там через 22 нанофарада стоят, это для чего сделано? Капратар и пятнадцатый компаратор непосредственно силён (может не такое слово) по напряжению именно со разделителем по первому и второму ключу, вот, это что делает? Это блокирует скважность, там нету плавной регулировки скважности, она там либо есть, либо... Поэтому у нас там ТЛ-ка, надо понимать, она работает пачками.
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Вопрос: Роман, скажи, конденсатор, накопительный C3 2000 микрофарад, можно его больше ставить по объёму?
Акула: В принципе вот этим конденсатором и формируется та основная переодичность включения, отключения ТЛ-ки. Ну а вторичная, это ток, да? то есть это напряжение на светодиодах. То есть меняя этот конденсатор вы будете менять цикл включения и выключения ТЛ-ки, так как она будет смотреть контроль заряда на рабочем конденсаторе. ... Когда вы включите такую систему, вы увидите с выхода ТЛ-ки, что? что там идут пачки, вот, конкретно длительность их вы отстроите по частоте ферорезонанса. Следование их вы уже будете смотреть на мощность, да? затраты к выходу, то есть количество в пачке сигналов. И вы видите цикличность, что на самом деле, она циклична, она практически 50 на 50 получается, работает-выключилось, работает-выключилось, это как раз и есть управление конденсатора рабочего. ТЛ-ка видит, что конденсатор дозарядился, она выключила, нет сигналов. Пришёл уровень заряда, она включается и вот это начинается циклично идти. А эти циклы, автоматически должны совпасть с низкой частотой уже в трансформаторе сформированной и они начинается... в автоконтроле всё таком получается. То есть, это надо делать, чтобы понять.
That from one conference.
Длительность менять С3 конденсатором. Change how many pulses gose from TL494 need ajust with C3 capasitor for diferent cores.
Quote from: havuhung on May 04, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
So how to sync frequency of the circuit board Akula0083 No3-Disassembly-Lantern, the circuit board has two TL 474 it is two distinct sources of oscillations?
I do not know how sync. But then opens one generator, must at same time opens and other generator, only one generator frenquency low, other hight. Only close can in not same time if I good remember.
Maybe verpies or TK try draw schematic how sync two generators. Because I try with not synchronised generators [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6nbYdYpIZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6nbYdYpIZc)[/size] and hight frenquency generator not baisicly made any influence to low frenquency generator and power consumption with any frenquency (200-500 kiloherc) and any duty cycle (10-45 precents).
Quote from: MenofFather on May 04, 2014, 09:15:23 AM
Maybe verpies or TK try draw schematic how sync two generators.
Connect pins #5 of two TL494s together.
Hi MenofFather,
Thank your share
Havuhung
Quote from: verpies on May 04, 2014, 09:32:15 AM
Connect pins #5 of two TL494s together.
Dear verpies,
Pin #5 is a capacitor (.nF) connected to the common ground, as well as to determine the oscillation frequency of the TL494. To connect two chips with each other, need to create intermediate frequency divider circuit two way out? or other simpler way?
Regards
Changing R12 resistor, how I understand, in 30 W lantern we change how many pulses go in pachka. So not need maybe change C3 capasitor. :)
Relisten... Found place were asking about inductor of 30 W lantern. Asking or normal be 100 microhenries. Akula say, that it be too much. So it have about 80-20 microhenries.
This inductor must be stabileset acording C3 capasitor, something like this.
R11 to pin 1 just ajust voltage (probarly corect to V2).
In that lantern akula say, that duty cycle of pulses be 1.7 megaherc. So here about 600 ns maybe duration of pulse. And frenquency of this pulses seems be 400-460 kiloherc.
Akula say "По моему он на 1,7 зарезонировал, я на нём 1 и семь скважность и подобрал..." So he not shore but in this 30 W lantern resonans of ferite be on 1.7 megaherc.
Load Akula use in 30 W lantern of many LEDs 30 W. Incandesel lamps as load not good. But in begining he start from small load.
How I understand, how much pulses be in pachka is not wery important, from here depends only power, that you give and get. More pulses in pachka - more power give and get, less pulses in pachka, less power put and get. :)
Quote from: havuhung on May 04, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
Dear verpies,
Pin #5 is a capacitor
No, pin #5 is pin #5 - not a capacitor.
Quote from: havuhung on May 04, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
To connect two chips with each other, need to create intermediate frequency divider circuit two way out? or other simpler way?
No, it is not necessary to create an intermediate frequency divider in order to o connect two chips with each other, but it is necessary if you want to run these two chips at different frequencies.
I think we have a language problem
I would (again) suggest looking into the tuning methods provided by Dr. Stiffler, as was shown in his PSEC videos. It is much easier to understand, as it is in English.
I beleve it is the same or similar process, as what Akula is doing now to find the best resonant coil frequency, I also think that is where that particular coil tuning method came from in the first place, which has now been adopted by Akula, on several if not all of his devices.
As most of us don't have the proper equipment, such as an expensive spectrum analyzer, to find the best resonant frequency to tune to, this will have to be done by those that do have such test gear.
Also keep in mind that a coil's self resonant frequency responce is not the same as what the Doc calls "Spacial Resonant Conhersion".
I may not be able to properly explain this tuning concept, so I won't dare to try to do so, but I do believe it has everything to do with the Akula devices, and the how and why they ALL work as they do. Also the reason that not one of US has been able to replicate any of his devices.
Ben has made an overview of the PSEC tuning method, for those that have not seen it, you may find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahVCqfGsrY
Some items of interest attached below:
Phase Locked Loop 4046 type data sheet
Hex Schmitt Trigger 7414 type data sheet
Link: A chapter from a very basic electronics text on using Inverter Gates (specifically hex Schmitt trigger gates) as oscillators
Note that in several Akula/Guk circuits there are gates of the inverter chip configured as oscillators, and the PLL chip is used in at least one of the circuits.
http://michaelalexandermorris.com/readings/NicCollins-TheWorldsSimplistCircuit.pdf
Quote from: verpies on May 04, 2014, 10:46:08 AM
No, pin #5 is pin #5 - not a capacitor.
No, it is not necessary to create an intermediate frequency divider in order to o connect two chips with each other, but it is necessary if you want to run these two chips at different frequencies.
I think we have a language problem
Hi verpies,
Sorry I'm poor English.
I'm talking about is a circuit diagram Akula-Disassembly. . . :(
Hi All,
With the purpose of: Frequency stability for two chip TL494, will not be wrong frequency, each time the power supply to the circuit board, no need to adjust again! . . How synchronize two chips?
Acording to Verpies, you just need conect two 5 pins of two TL494 like that:
Hi All,
Oh, it's simple. ;D
Thanks a lot.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF SOMEONE CHECKING THIS CIRCUIT?
AND THIS ONE 2? ? ?
Quote from: hre_1972 on May 04, 2014, 10:30:54 PM
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF SOMEONE CHECKING THIS CIRCUIT?
I this check, but without synchronisation.
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[size=78%]AND THIS ONE 2? ? ?"[/size]
[size=78%]This seems Grumage check.[/size]
Quote from: hre_1972 on May 04, 2014, 10:30:54 PM
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF SOMEONE CHECKING THIS CIRCUIT?
The shema no good!
The bulb will not light because the bifilar coil outputs voltage and signal outputs in-phase same .. is no tension distinction (blue line)
All:
It looks like none of the Akula schematics are correct, and we are just wasting time to replicate them. However, if we find the right way of doing it, or the correct approach, we may be able to get somewhere with this. Until one of us is able to obtain some replicable results, we are all just spinning our wheels.
Quote from: NickZ on May 05, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
All:
It looks like none of the Akula schematics are correct, and we are just wasting time to replicate them. However, if we find the right way of doing it, or the correct approach, we may be able to get somewhere with this. Until one of us is able to obtain some replicable results, we are all just spinning our wheels.
I am obtaining perfectly replicable results in the 3V flashilight thread, using one of Akula's published schematics with a minor correction, and it makes the same scope signals that he has shown from that circuit. Itsu is also converging on replicating the instrumental measurements using the corrected published circuit.
If you are wanting to replicate the LEDs running without external power, that's not so hard either, but you have to realize Akula isn't doing it the way he says he is.
Still to be explained by the believers is this: How can a circuit produce the _same_ instrumental measurements using the _same_ external component values, if there is something wrong or special about the core itself?
Any differences in characteristics of the core -- real electrical characteristics like permeability, B-H hysteresis, conductivity, and so on .... would make the circuit behave differently. But the only difference is that Akula's lights stay on -- when he's at home, not in Germany.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
I am obtaining perfectly replicable results in the 3V flashilight thread, using one of Akula's published schematics with a minor correction, and it makes the same scope signals that he has shown from that circuit. Itsu is also converging on replicating the instrumental measurements using the corrected published circuit.
If you are wanting to replicate the LEDs running without external power, that's not so hard either, but you have to realize Akula isn't doing it the way he says he is.
Still to be explained by the believers is this: How can a circuit produce the _same_ instrumental measurements using the _same_ external component values, if there is something wrong or special about the core itself?
Any differences in characteristics of the core -- real electrical characteristics like permeability, B-H hysteresis, conductivity, and so on .... would make the circuit behave differently. But the only difference is that Akula's lights stay on -- when he's at home, not in Germany.
@TinselKoala,
Can you share schematics, and or video and explanation...
Thanks.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
Any differences in characteristics of the core -- real electrical characteristics like permeability, B-H hysteresis, conductivity, and so on .... would make the circuit behave differently.
In principle it does not have to be that way.
A certain charactersistic can result in different behavior of the circuit while without that characteristic the circuit can behave exactly as predicted by conventional electronic engineering.
I'm not advocating for Akula - just objecting to the absolute logic of that statement (not its probability).
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
...that Akula's lights stay on -- when he's at home, not in Germany.
If you can please the source of this information.
Quote from: NickZ on May 05, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
All:
It looks like none of the Akula schematics are correct, and we are just wasting time to replicate them. However, if we find the right way of doing it, or the correct approach, we may be able to get somewhere with this. Until one of us is able to obtain some replicable results, we are all just spinning our wheels.
Hi ya Nick 8) ,
Its not so much a case of us just spinning our wheels, rather Akula spinning out of control! ;D
Its time we stopped dribbling over every very unconvincing self-running device he posts. :(
TK:
Can you also show us how "easy" it is to disconnect the input and show it self running.
The corrected schematic may not be correct, as the leds still go out, and therefore not a working replication.
If Akula is still not providing for a true working schematic, how do you know that the corrected schematic is correct?
Maybe try different types of cores, of that design, if you think that the core is the problem.
Akula has used many different types of cores, and obtained the shown results.
IF true. Are they all those different cores special? Nor has this been proven, either. But, he did point out that the smaller sized yoke did NOT work on his first device. So, not all yokes work the same for that purpose, and possibly the same with the smaller transformer cores of the low voltage circuits.
In any case, good luck with your tests... I know how frustrating this can all be.
@TK
I am also getting some results;
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg38264#msg38264
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg38319#msg38319
I am not using the circuit board of the AK30. I am just replicating the final stages including the main mosfet, main cap feed and all the other peripherals just to experiment the actual effects that would be responsible for the looping.
Right now I can apply my FG and scope probes. Start up the system with a manual B+ and then remove the B+, the FG and the scope probes and the LED is still lit dimly for a real long time before it goes out. So I think I am getting closer.
Modifications that I have done are as follows;
1) Added a 2nd mosfet between R1/C2 and L1 whose base is in parallel with the present mosfet.
2) I sanded down one of my extra ungapped ecore half to make it now as a gapped ecore.
3) Added a diode between R3 and C11 pointing to C11.
4) Bypassed R5 and C5 since I am not using any feedback at the moment.
5) Core winds as shown in the link above.
6) Reversed the direction of the D6 diode so only possible ffed from the output to L2 is via the resistor but diode is there to bleed some excess to load.
Still need to integrate a few pots to replace some of these resistors for more precise fine tuning and then work on increasing the output.
But if you ask me, guys should not get too bogged down by the actual circuit board if you have an FG, just make a loose build and play the hell out of it to learn the effects.
wattsup
@ wattsup,
I read your post at OUR and noted your post asking about the scope issue. Please check your menu (if this is a DSO) as you set the multiplier there too to compensate for the probe setting.
Hoppy:
Agreed, I'm coming to the same conclusion, after numerous months (and years) of effort. But, I can't just sit on my hands, either. So...
However, I'm still closely following what Igor has been doing and showing lately. As it saves me the time, trouble and expense to go through the same steps towards finding that illusive feed back path. And, at least Igor may not be pulling our leg, or spinning out of control.
I've gotten my Mazilli/yoke circuit to partially light 660 to 700 watts worth of incandescent bulbs, now. Still working on the feed back circuit. This lights my small house quite nicely, but not for long, on the small battery which is being charged by solar means.
I've made a video to show these results, but have not posted it yet, as I can't find my camera to Pc connection cable. I'll do so in a day or two, and will post it on the Dally thread, instead.
Quote from: NickZ on May 05, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
Hoppy:
Agreed, I'm coming to the same conclusion, after numerous months (and years) of effort. But, I can't just sit on my hands, either. So...
However, I'm still closing following what Igor has been doing and showing lately. As it saves me the time, trouble and expence to go through the same steps towards finding that illusive feed back path. And, at least Igor may not be pulling our leg, or spinning out of control.
I've gotten my Mazilli/yoke circuit to partially light 660 to 700 watts worth of incandescent bulbs, now. Still working on the feed back circuit. This lights my small house quite nicely, but not for long, on the small battery which is being charged by solar means.
I've made a video to show these results, but have not posted it yet, as I can't find my camera to Pc connection cable. I'll do so in a day or two, and will post it on the Dally thread, instead.
Nick,
Thanks for your update. I have concentrated my efforts in the past by harnessing solar energy to keep my battery bank charged for emergency lighting use. LED lamps or compact flouro's are the obvious choice for solar based lighting systems in terms of electrical efficiency. However, I use an incandescent lamp as the first lamp in circuit when using a modified square wave inverter to power compact flouro's, as this type of inverter does not like a total CFL load.
I will look out for your video on the Dally thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zg3txfwU9o&feature
Quote from: starcruiser on May 05, 2014, 02:46:11 PM
@ wattsup,
I read your post at OUR and noted your post asking about the scope issue. Please check your menu (if this is a DSO) as you set the multiplier there too to compensate for the probe setting.
@starcruiser
Thanks for your reply. No the probe X setting are OK at 10X since both probes have that small autodetect pin so the scope sees them OK.
When I connect both probes and grounds to the same frequency generator output, under 10KHz both show almost the same waveform with Channel B slightly off square wave and Channel A is showing a good square wave.
But as I go up in frequency ChA will show 100vpp while ChB is showing maybe 15vpp. But both are on the same signal. When I switch the probes, the same ChB does the same problem so it is not my probes. I checked everything I can but nothing.
My scope is a HP 54645D.
It's kind of starting to piss me off royally since I cannot count on the ChB to make true comparisons. This does not however hinder my experimenting, but just a major main in the but. Especially when I want to make a youtube video to show you guys but the scope is not giving a reliable ChA/Chb comparisons.
wattsup
Wattsup:
Even just being a passive observer I find this to be torture. You all start off with high hopes and everything appears to be clear and straightforward. You even order PCBs. Then before you know it you have one curve ball to deal with. Then two, then three. Then the thread becomes a bunch of wild speculations about components and circuit diagrams and resonance and before you know it you have 7 different schematics from Akula where half of them don't even match what he is showing in his own clips. Them you have variations on the schematic and component values suggested by the people in the threads. Before you know it you are in a mish-mash of uncertainty. I don't know how you can stand it.
And the backdrop to all of this is that there is no possible combination of passive and active electronic circuit components that can produce over unity. If you want to find over unity, MOSFETs and transistors and coils are not the answer. I only state that once in a while, but it's true.
I was involved in this thread only at the beginning and I crunched what the original circuit would do and a few days later some good person (I forget who, but they deserve the credit, you can look them up) simulated the circuit and I got it right.
If I was actively involved in this thread as a hopeful experimenter I would be ready to scream.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on May 05, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Wattsup:
Even just being a passive observer I find this to be torture. You all start off with high hopes and everything appears to be clear and straightforward. You even order PCBs. Then before you know it you have one curve ball to deal with. Then two, then three. Then the thread becomes a bunch of wild speculations about components and circuit diagrams and resonance and before you know it you have 7 different schematics from Akula where half of them don't even match what he is showing in his own clips. Them you have variations on the schematic and component values suggested by the people in the threads. Before you know it you are in a mish-mash of uncertainty. I don't know how you can stand it.
And the backdrop to all of this is that there is no possible combination of passive and active electronic circuit components that can produce over unity. If you want to find over unity, MOSFETs and transistors and coils are not the answer. I only state that once in a while, but it's true.
I was involved in this thread only at the beginning and I crunched what the original circuit would do and a few days later some good person (I forget who, but they deserve the credit, you can look them up) simulated the circuit and I got it right.
If I was actively involved in this thread as a hopeful experimenter I would be ready to scream.
MileHigh
I am in total agreement with the statement by Milehigh that I put in bold above. Radio engineers and switching power supply designers have examined very carefully their circuits and if there was any type of anomaly with standard components it would have been stumbled upon long ago, recognized and exploited.
The only hope that I see for OU is an intelligent approach to somehow getting the atom to shed some mass by stimulating them to produce isotopes or "k" capture. LENR may also be an answer. What method we will use for this is yet unknown. Some speculate that NAR or NMR may be a key to this.
I like to play futurist sometimes and would like to imagine there will come a time where burning fossil fuels and dangerous nuclear approaches to generating energy will become barbaric and as outdated as buggy whips. But this might be far in the future.
For now hats off to the folks that know intuitively that there will be a better way someday. The best minds that see and point out the folly of devices that clearly can't work are often tarred and feathered and driven out of town, no matter how gentle or patient they are in their approach.
Too bad we can't gather the best minds here in a project to vet the possibilities, probabilities and pick a path to explore rather than being wagged by youtube posers.
regards, ION
Hi All,
On the circuit of the lantern no3 there are 2 tl494 but why does 1 have
Pin 1 going to pin 16 and pin 16 goes to 13 and the other does not have that
And the other has
Pin 2 going to pin 15 and pin 15 goes to pin 14 and 13
The both have pin 8 going to pin 11 and pin 12
What does that difference do in the circuit?
Thnx!
Greets JB
Quote from: NickZ on May 05, 2014, 02:16:57 PM
TK:
Can you also show us how "easy" it is to disconnect the input and show it self running.
The corrected schematic may not be correct, as the leds still go out, and therefore not a working replication.
If Akula is still not providing for a true working schematic, how do you know that the corrected schematic is correct?
Maybe try different types of cores, of that design, if you think that the core is the problem.
Akula has used many different types of cores, and obtained the shown results.
IF true. Are they all those different cores special? Nor has this been proven, either. But, he did point out that the smaller sized yoke did NOT work on his first device. So, not all yokes work the same for that purpose, and possibly the same with the smaller transformer cores of the low voltage circuits.
In any case, good luck with your tests... I know how frustrating this can all be.
I dont think you would need a schematic for the lantern no 3, since all info you have is on the board.
Count all the holes in the board, every section has 5 by 5 holes in it in sections.
The when akula turns his board around you can see al the solder lines, just follow then and coordinate them.
Take piece of paper with small squares, and draw the solder lines first matching every square on the paper with a hole on the board. Then turn that paper around and draw the components, then when holding the paper in light so you can see the back true the front side and yll get all paths and components.
Just take small time to reverse engineer as much as possible instead of checking to many circuits.
Once you have yr own circuit you can compare against other circuits and see which matches the most.
Or just try to build it yrself and test the hell out of it
Greets JB
Quote from: Thestone on May 05, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
@TinselKoala,
Can you share schematics, and or video and explanation...
Thanks.
Sorry, I guess I posted all that stuff in the other "3V" thread. I didn't mean to take you off the topic. I haven't yet built the circuits you are mostly talking about here.
All my work is covered in the other thread, schematics scopeshots videos etc.
Quote from: wattsup on May 05, 2014, 06:04:17 PM
@starcruiser
Thanks for your reply. No the probe X setting are OK at 10X since both probes have that small autodetect pin so the scope sees them OK.
When I connect both probes and grounds to the same frequency generator output, under 10KHz both show almost the same waveform with Channel B slightly off square wave and Channel A is showing a good square wave.
But as I go up in frequency ChA will show 100vpp while ChB is showing maybe 15vpp. But both are on the same signal. When I switch the probes, the same ChB does the same problem so it is not my probes. I checked everything I can but nothing.
You are seeing 100 v p-p from a frequency generator output? Perhaps it's the Channel A that's bad, not B.
What happens when you turn the probe's adjustment capacitor? What happens when you change the channel couplings? Can you confirm that the scope is autodetecting the probe attenuation... check the actual channel settings in the scope....
Can you show some scopeshots?
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My scope is a HP 54645D.
Nice kit, I wish I had one. Best of both worlds, digital and analog. Probably impossible to fix at the component level, though, unless the fault is real and really simple. First let's confirm there is a fault in the scope and not the probes or the .... er..... end user.
Quote
It's kind of starting to piss me off royally since I cannot count on the ChB to make true comparisons. This does not however hinder my experimenting, but just a major main in the but. Especially when I want to make a youtube video to show you guys but the scope is not giving a reliable ChA/Chb comparisons.
wattsup
I feel your pain, bro.
ETA: I had similar symptoms at one point but it turned out to be the probe's tip resistor.... but you have eliminated the probes as a cause of the fault.... haven't you? Double and triple check....
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 05, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
I dont think you would need a schematic for the lantern no 3, since all info you have is on the board.
Count all the holes in the board, every section has 5 by 5 holes in it in sections.
The when akula turns his board around you can see al the solder lines, just follow then and coordinate them.
Take piece of paper with small squares, and draw the solder lines first matching every square on the paper with a hole on the board. Then turn that paper around and draw the components, then when holding the paper in light so you can see the back true the front side and yll get all paths and components.
Just take small time to reverse engineer as much as possible instead of checking to many circuits.
Once you have yr own circuit you can compare against other circuits and see which matches the most.
Or just try to build it yrself and test the hell out of it
Greets JB
Did you notice that two, but not all, of the potentiometer cases are soldered into the circuit? Why do you think that is? Why do any, or why not do all.... ??
;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 09:55:24 PM
Did you notice that two, but not all, of the potentiometer cases are soldered into the circuit? Why do you think that is? Why do any, or why not do all.... ??
;)
Maybe he tunes/changes that so much that the pots come off ( but why not use multiple turn pots for finer adjustments) , cause he first had the pot a few lines on the circuit board as you can see 2 holes made into one. But he then figured out that his pot wont fit in there. So he had to move his pot more to the left end of the board.
( i know some peepz could think he added a tiny batt in there )
And if its a joule thief, then its a damn ugly ass joule thief with to many components.
But the circuit is still interesting to test, and in this circuit he removed 1 mosfet driver, and added 1 cap, 3 diodes and a switch, cause in the other clip where he uses that step-down thing he doesn't use those cap and diodes. There he found out he did not need the step down thing at all.
Im not sure, but the circuits posted on page one of this thread i think its wrong, it doesn't match the way i see the circuit ( after checking out this circuit a million times, and now still seeing it when my eyes are closed : )
I think later i will fix those 2 signal gens the way its in the movie, and test for my self why that other sig gen is setup like that. 1 runs the small 7 turn coil ( fundamental ), the 2e runs the 12 turn coil ( harmonic), and the other is just the pick up.
And has it even been confirmed that he is using 2 tl494? ( looks like it, but the label printed on it i havent seen on any tl494, or its some russian variant.
But all i can say is, i just have to build and test this circuit, and if no special effects, then ima continue with my other projects : )
Greets JB
@TK
Yeh, don't know what it is but I will use my other older scope for two ch screen comparisons.
I put 4 images below at 1, 5, 50 and 500KHz. Starts well but ends bad. Probes have been calibrated and both channels are set identical.
@JohnnBlade
Those are good questions.
Too bad we cannot do the same for the AK30. All there is a circuit photo.
@MH
You still have to first pave the road to then look back upon it.
And no, this cannot be found by accident so why should 100 years of EE have discovered it before, just by chance pulsing a coil at freq.x? It takes much more premeditation then just falling onto it by chance. I am sure some great minds already know all this. So there are too many critical effects that need to come together for anyone to just say, "then why hasn't EE found this before".
wattsup
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 05, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
On the circuit of the lantern no3 there are 2 tl494 but why does 1 have
Pin 1 going to pin 16 and pin 16 goes to 13 and the other does not have that
And the other has
Pin 2 going to pin 15 and pin 15 goes to pin 14 and 13
Pins 15, 16, 1 & 2 are the comparator/amplifier inputs.
They are wired differently because feedback loops are different for these two chips.
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 05, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
I dont think you would need a schematic for the lantern no 3, since all info you have is on the board.
Count all the holes in the board, every section has 5 by 5 holes in it in sections.
The when akula turns his board around you can see al the solder lines, just follow then and coordinate them.
Take piece of paper with small squares, and draw the solder lines first matching every square on the paper with a hole on the board. Then turn that paper around and draw the components, then when holding the paper in light so you can see the back true the front side and yll get all paths and components.
Just take small time to reverse engineer as much as possible instead of checking to many circuits.
Once you have yr own circuit you can compare against other circuits and see which matches the most.
Or just try to build it yrself and test the hell out of it
Greets JB
Schematic of 1 W divice not neaded baisicly, because he seems give all informatio, that here two generators. One frenquency is feroresonance frenquency about 1-3,5 megaherc (just need use 200-400 kiloherc to put short pulses), other is standar transformation frenquency of about 18-35 kiloherc. Sincronisation of two generators must be made by first fronts. And if not work, try diferent cores, because Akula also sometimes can not get succes.
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 05, 2014, 11:11:13 PM
....And has it even been confirmed that he is using 2 tl494?...
Not be confirmed.
But in one question ask how TL can make 1,3 megaherc, then akula answer, that he with TL get 10 ns pulses in one setup if I good remember, something like this be dialog. And need use fast transistors, who fast closimng at opening, for example, fast transistor is IRFB4019.
IRFB4019
Turn-On Delay Time_____7.0 ns
Rise Time_____________13.0 ns
Turn-Off Delay Time_____12.0 ns
Fall Time______________7.8 ns
Or
IRFZ24N
Turn-On Delay Time_____4.9 ns
Rise Time_____________34 ns
Turn-Off Delay Time_____19 ns
Fall Time______________27 ns
This transitors in my opium is inaf fast for 1 W lantern.
And this is fast: PIRF2807 (http://rcl.lt/index.php?id=2&lang=lt&acc=show&frame=2&fid=778&sortby=kaina_asc&begin=2#)
Quote from: MenofFather on May 04, 2014, 09:06:35 AM
Add information about 30 W divice.
Вопрос: По поводу 30 ваттного фонарика, там ты регулируешь частоты низкочастотного генератора?
Akula say: Нет, ребята, там ВЧ импульсы, пачки ВЧ импульсов, они... ну как вам объяснить? надо включить, дело в том, что когда у вас трансформатор при включении входит в низкочастотную амплитуду, у вас там уже автоматически будут формироваться пачки импульсов, то есть, потому что там идёт обратная связь по току, то есть, когда уже светодиоды перенакалились подают сигнал ТЛ генератору, ТЛ генератор выключается, соответственно происходит перенапряжение, там идёт двоичное уменьшение скважности, то есть выключение полностью. Тем более, если вы даташит расмотрите, у меня там на самой схеме отключено плавное регулирование скважности генератора, он либо есть, либо нету, поэтому там формируются пачки импульсов с частотой ферорезонанса. И он автоматически формируется, так как у нас, допустим, конденсатор зарядился до необходимого напряжения, то есть прошла определённая пачка импульсов, ТЛ генератор, он выключил в это время транзистор до тех пор пока конденсатор не зарядиться. Этот цикл формируется низкочастотной амплитуды общего трансформатора, который уже в этот момент входит в резонанс.
Арунас: Ну вообще на счёт этого, на овеюунити форуме долго мучались, пытались понять, как эта обратная связь работает.
Акула: Ну там видишь, какая ерунда получается, ТЛ-ку ставишь вне плавное регулирование скважности, да? по обратной связи, а резкое выключение, либо есть, либо нет сигнала и получается так, ТЛ-ка дозарядила, видит дозаряженный конденсатор, она выключается и это будет происходить циклично. Так как в током трансформаторе уже образовалось амплитуда и она этот цикл начинает автоматически связывать, то есть, тут ТЛ-ка, она по сути дела, она не является, как таковым генератором. Она уже делает всё, что происходит в самом трансформаторе. То есть уже трансформатор начинает рвать цикл включения пачек импульсов и выключения на ТЛ-ке, подавая этим самым ток на светодиоды, отрубая по обратной связи, да? то есть по комаратору, эээ вторично уже дозаряжая конденсатор. То есть давая сигнал на выключение. То есть ТЛ-ка там зависима, она как таковая не формирует ничего, в ней задаётся именно скважность, это - равная феромагнитному резонансу и частота следования импульсов, а цикличность их уже формируется самим трансформатором.
Арунас: там насчёт, следующие два момента. один у тебя (не расслышеное слово) как частота, а второй это принцип, где ты находишь именно для обратной связи насколько я понял, да?
Акула: Да, то есть смотри, по току, когда у нас светодиоды начинают больше тока пропускать, у нас идёт команда на выключение полностью ТЛ-ки. То же самое, идёт перестраховка по напряжению.
Арунас: Ну я так и понял, спасибо.
Акула: Теперь смотри: у меня третья ножка задействована. Да? там через 22 нанофарада стоят, это для чего сделано? Капратар и пятнадцатый компаратор непосредственно силён (может не такое слово) по напряжению именно со разделителем по первому и второму ключу, вот, это что делает? Это блокирует скважность, там нету плавной регулировки скважности, она там либо есть, либо... Поэтому у нас там ТЛ-ка, надо понимать, она работает пачками.
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Вопрос: Роман, скажи, конденсатор, накопительный C3 2000 микрофарад, можно его больше ставить по объёму?
Акула: В принципе вот этим конденсатором и формируется та основная переодичность включения, отключения ТЛ-ки. Ну а вторичная, это ток, да? то есть это напряжение на светодиодах. То есть меняя этот конденсатор вы будете менять цикл включения и выключения ТЛ-ки, так как она будет смотреть контроль заряда на рабочем конденсаторе. ... Когда вы включите такую систему, вы увидите с выхода ТЛ-ки, что? что там идут пачки, вот, конкретно длительность их вы отстроите по частоте ферорезонанса. Следование их вы уже будете смотреть на мощность, да? затраты к выходу, то есть количество в пачке сигналов. И вы видите цикличность, что на самом деле, она циклична, она практически 50 на 50 получается, работает-выключилось, работает-выключилось, это как раз и есть управление конденсатора рабочего. ТЛ-ка видит, что конденсатор дозарядился, она выключила, нет сигналов. Пришёл уровень заряда, она включается и вот это начинается циклично идти. А эти циклы, автоматически должны совпасть с низкой частотой уже в трансформаторе сформированной и они начинается... в автоконтроле всё таком получается. То есть, это надо делать, чтобы понять.
That from one conference.
Длительность менять С3 конденсатором. Change how many pulses gose from TL494 need ajust with C3 capasitor for diferent cores.
I can not login to overunity resarch because seems forgot pasword, but I read so I try translate words, who translator not translate
"Question : Regarding the 30 watt flashlight , there you reguliruesh low frequency oscillator frequency ?
Akula say: No, guys , there HF (Hight Frenquency) pulses packs HF pulses , they ... well, how do you explain that? should be included , the fact is that when you have a transformer when the low-frequency part of the amplitude , you already there will be generated automatically burst , that is because there is a current feedback , ie , when it is fed a signal LEDs it will be heated TL generator , the generator is off TL , respectively overvoltage occurs , there is a binary reduction of duty cycle, ie, switching off completely. Especially, if you examine the datasheet , I got off on the scheme itself smooth control duty cycle generator , it either is or is not present, so there is formed with a frequency burst ferorezonansa . And he is automatically generated , since we , for example, capacitor is charged to the required voltage that is held fixed burst , TL generator , he turned off at this time of the transistor until the capacitor is not charged . This cycle is formed by the low-frequency amplitude common transformer, which has at this moment is in resonance .
Arunas : Well, actually about that on our forum overunity long tormented , trying to understand how this feedback works .
Shark : Well there you see what nonsense it turns out, the TL posing outside smooth control of duty cycle, yes? feedback , and a sharp cut-off , or is, or there is no signal and turns , TL then charged , the capacitor sees recharged , it shuts down and it will happen in cycles. Since the torus transformer already formed the amplitude and the cycle starts it automatically link , ie , here TL , it in fact it is not , such as a generator. It already does everything that happens in the transformer. That means that the transformer starts to tear cycle the bursts and off for TL , thereby supplying current to the LEDs , cutting off feedback , yes? ie komaratoru , uh already to be completed charging second capacitor . That is giving a signal to the shutdown. That is, there TL Single dependent, as such, it does not generate anything , it is the duty cycle set - equal feromagnetic resonance and the pulse repetition rate , and their cyclical already formed by the transformer .
Arunas: there about the following two points . you have one ( not hear clear word) as the frequency, and the second is the principle of where you find it for feedback as I understand it , yes ?
Shark : Yeah, I mean look at the current, when we have more current LEDs begin to miss , we go off on a team full TL . The same goes reinsurance voltage .
Arunas : Well, I never understood , thank you.
Shark : Now look : I have a third leg is involved . Yes ? there are over 22 Nanofarad is what has been done? Kapratar and fifteenth comparator directly strong (maybe not such a word ) is the voltage divider with the first and second key , so it does what? This blocks the duty cycle , there no smooth adjustment of duty cycle, she's either there or... So we there TL , must be understood. it works in batches .
...
Question : Roman , say , the capacitor C3 cumulative 2000 microfarads , you can put it more volume ?
Shark : In principle, it 's a capacitor is formed and that the main Periodicity enable, disable, TL . Well, while the secondary is current , right? ie . this stress on the LEDs. That is changing this capacitor you change the cycle on and off TL , as it will look on your charge control capacitor. ... When you turn on a system , you will see output tlki that ? there are tutus , here , specifically the duration you can rebuild their frequency feroresonance . Following them you'll be looking at the power , yes , the cost to the output , ie the number of signals in a pack . And you can see the cyclical , that actually , it is cyclic , it is almost 50 to 50 gets running, off, running, off, it is precisely the control capacitor working . TL sees capacitor re-charge , she turned off , no signals . Came the charge , it is included here , and it starts to go in cycles . And this cycle will automatically be matched with low frequency transformer already formed and they begin to auto control all this turns out. That is, it must be done to understand."
So from TL going packs of pulses. 50 precents space, then 50 precent pulses. How many pulses in pack is not critical.
Quote from: MenofFather on May 06, 2014, 07:44:32 AM
I can not login to overunity resarch because seems forgot pasword, but I read so I try translate words, who translator not translate
C'mon that's not a human translation.
"Porosity"!? You should've at least replaced it with "duty cycle"
Quote from: verpies on May 06, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
C'mon that's not a human translation.
"Porosity"!? You should've at least replaced it with "duty cycle"
Yes it is duty cycle. In this citation is many words, who nothing saying or saing same. So from C3 seems depends how many pulses be in one pack. Let say pack frenquency probarly 15-40 kiloherc and not inportant or be 15 kiloherc or 40 kiloherc, that is not critical acording to conference. Only pulses must be ajusted to feroesonance of ferite, but maybe akula himself made some mistake in explanation, maybe important then one capasitor discharging or chargin, then need paste pack of pulses. In one conference he say that all his ciruits corect in other that this circuit not completed or something like this. So maybe simpler be just make generator who sends pack of pulses, were we can ajust pulses duty cycle and and ajust frenquency of pack of pulses (how many pulses be in pack).
Here hand translation
"Вопрос: Роман, скажи, конденсатор, накопительный C3 2000 микрофарад, можно его больше ставить по объёму? Акула: В принципе вот этим конденсатором и формируется та основная переодичность включения, отключения ТЛ-ки. Ну а вторичная, это ток, да? то есть это напряжение на светодиодах. То есть меняя этот конденсатор вы будете менять цикл включения и выключения ТЛ-ки, так как она будет смотреть контроль заряда на рабочем конденсаторе. ... Когда вы включите такую систему, вы увидите с выхода ТЛ-ки, что? что там идут пачки, вот, конкретно длительность их вы отстроите по частоте ферорезонанса."
"Question: Roman, say, capasitor C3 2000 uF can be biger?
Akula: In principe with that capasitor and is forming that general period turn on and turn of TL generator. And secondary winding is curent, right? that means it is voltage on light emiting diodes. That means, then you change this capasitor, you change cicle turn on and turn off TL generator. Because it looks charge on that working capasitor. ... Then you tur on that system, you see from output TL genrator that from it gose pack of pulses. The duration of it you ajust depending of frenquency feroresonance."
Here other masine translation of translate.ru
"[size=78%]Question: Concerning 30 watt small lamps, there you regulate frequencies of the low-frequency generator?[/size]
Akula say: No, children, there VCh (VCh is HF) impulses, packs of VCh of impulses, they... well as to explain to you? it is necessary to include the matter is that when your transformer at inclusion enters low-frequency amplitude, at you already automatically packs of impulses, that is because there is a feedback on current, that is when already light-emitting diodes heat up give the T signal to the generator, T the generator there will be formed is switched off, respectively there is an overstrain, there is a binary reduction of porosity, that is switching off completely. If you datashet consider, at me there on the scheme smooth regulation of porosity of the generator is disconnected, it or is, or isn't present therefore packs of impulses with a ferroresonance frequency there are formed. And it is automatically formed as at us, let us assume, the condenser was charged up to the necessary tension, that is there passed a certain pack of impulses, T the generator, it switched off at this time the transistor until then while the condenser not to be charged. This cycle is formed the low-frequency amplitude of the general transformer which already at this moment enters a resonance.
Arunas: Well in general into the account of it, on overunity a forum long suffered, tried to understand how this feedback works.
Shark: Well there you see, what nonsense turns out, TL-ku you put out of smooth regulation of porosity, huh? on feedback, and sharp switching off, or is, or there is no signal and it turns out so, the T completed charging, sees the completed charging condenser, it is switched off and it will cyclically occur. As in current the transformer it was already formed amplitude and it this cycle starts connecting automatically, that is, here T, it as a matter of fact, it isn't, as that generator. It already does everything that occurs in the transformer. That is already the transformer starts tearing a cycle of inclusion of packs of impulses and switching off on TL-ke, giving these current on light-emitting diodes, chopping off on feedback, huh? that is on a komarator, again already completing charging the condenser. That is giving a signal on switching off. That is the T there is dependent, it as that doesn't form anything, in it porosity is set, it is equal to a ferromagnetic resonance and the frequency of following of impulses, and their recurrence is already formed by the transformer.
Arunas: there about, the next two moments. one at you (not the hear clean word) as frequency, and the second is the principle where you find for feedback as far as I understood, huh?
Shark: Yes, that is look, on current when our light-emitting diodes start more current passing, we have a command for switching off completely TL-ki. The same, goes reinsurance on tension.
Arunas: Well I and understood, thanks.
Shark: Now look: at me the third leg is involved. Yes? there through the 22nd nanofarade stand, it for what is made? Kapratar (can be comparator) and the fifteenth comparator is directly strong (such word) on tension with a divider on the first and second key, here, it can not that does? It blocks porosity, there is no smooth adjustment of porosity, it there or is, or... Therefore at us there T, it is necessary to understand, it works with packs.
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Question: The novel, tell, the condenser, accumulative C3 2000 microfarads, it is possible to put more it on volume?
Shark: In principle here this condenser also forms that main frequency of inclusion, shutdown TL-ki. Well and secondary, it is current, huh? that is this tension on light-emitting diodes. That is changing this condenser you will change an inclusion and switching off TL-ki cycle as she will watch charge control on the working condenser. ... When you include such system, you will see from exit TL-ki, what? that there are packs, here, specifically them you will build up duration on ferroresonance frequency. Following them you will already watch at power, huh? expenses to an exit, that is quantity in a pack of signals. And you see recurrence that actually, it is cyclic, it nearly 50 on 50 turns out, works-was switched off, works-was switched off, it just and there is a management of the condenser of the worker. The T sees that the condenser was completed charging, it switched off, there are no signals. Charge level came, it joins and here it begins going cyclically. And these cycles, automatically have to coincide with low frequency already in the transformer created and they begins... in autocontrol all such turns out. That is, it should be done to understand."
And I little corect some words TL-ki, TL-ka, TL-ku and T is TL494. That is in () is my comments.
Quote from: wattsup on May 05, 2014, 06:04:17 PM
@starcruiser
Thanks for your reply. No the probe X setting are OK at 10X since both probes have that small autodetect pin so the scope sees them OK.
When I connect both probes and grounds to the same frequency generator output, under 10KHz both show almost the same waveform with Channel B slightly off square wave and Channel A is showing a good square wave.
But as I go up in frequency ChA will show 100vpp while ChB is showing maybe 15vpp. But both are on the same signal. When I switch the probes, the same ChB does the same problem so it is not my probes. I checked everything I can but nothing.
My scope is a HP 54645D.
It's kind of starting to piss me off royally since I cannot count on the ChB to make true comparisons. This does not however hinder my experimenting, but just a major main in the but. Especially when I want to make a youtube video to show you guys but the scope is not giving a reliable ChA/Chb comparisons.
wattsup
From the looks of the screen shots this is a frequency roll off due to a bad input stage. I would check the input stage coupling capacitor as this might be causing the attenuation issue. How does it do on DC? If the issue is AC only I would check the front end for channel 2 for damaged components.
If you look at the screen shots the rise time is what is being affected, this makes me think of a bad capacitor since it cannot keep up with the incoming signal (charging the cap). Open her up and replace the input capacitor, if you have a tester I would pull it and test it. Probably a inexpensive fix.
Hi All!
I have made a new drawing of the solder paths, next i will make a components drawing based on the solder paths drawing.
I have also added the 2 differences in what he changed before and after.
If i missed anything let me know, the dotted lines is what he removed.
Greets JB
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 06, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
I have made a new drawing of the solder paths, next i will make a components drawing based on the solder paths drawing.
Tedious job!
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 06, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
Hi All!
I have made a new drawing of the solder paths, next i will make a components drawing based on the solder paths drawing.
I have also added the 2 differences in what he changed before and after.
If i missed anything let me know, the dotted lines is what he removed.
Greets JB
Excellent work John!
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 06, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
I have made a new drawing of the solder paths, next i will make a components drawing based on the solder paths drawing.
Hi JohnBlade,
This post may also be of use to you: -->havuhung - track layout - Reply #971 on: April 27, 2014, 05:15:19 PM<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400046/#msg400046)
All the Best
Chris
@starcruiser
I opened her up and at the CH2 entry the components are so small I am really not inclined to even try to poke around. I thought that maybe by fluke chance I could have seen a workable cap showing some evidence of blow up or overheating but these components are way to small. So I will use the CH A on this scope and then use my other scope, a Hitachi V650F. Not as advanced but this workhorse had served me well for many years with simple no frills waveform. Damn it, just when I wanted to do a video of my AK30, those frill would have come in handy.
@JohnnBlade
It's good to know that there are others here that have this stubborn streak when you decide to do something, you go all the way. Can't wait to learn what the cap values are for Pin 5. That damn pin 5 has had different values in every build schematic Akula put out. AK30 is at 3n, anther at 10n, I think another at 2.2n shown on the schematic. But this is supposed to provide the frequency range so why not just put what I have always thought should be there, a 1n cap.
wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on May 06, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
@starcruiser
I opened her up and at the CH2 entry the components are so small I am really not inclined to even try to poke around. I thought that maybe by fluke chance I could have seen a workable cap showing some evidence of blow up or overheating but these components are way to small. So I will use the CH A on this scope and then use my other scope, a Hitachi V650F. Not as advanced but this workhorse had served me well for many years with simple no frills waveform. Damn it, just when I wanted to do a video of my AK30, those frill would have come in handy.
@JohnnBlade
It's good to know that there are others here that have this stubborn streak when you decide to do something, you go all the way. Can't wait to learn what the cap values are for Pin 5. That damn pin 5 has had different values in every build schematic Akula put out. AK30 is at 3n, anther at 10n, I think another at 2.2n shown on the schematic. But this is supposed to provide the frequency range so why not just put what I have always thought should be there, a 1n cap.
wattsup
i think its better to add a 12 step switch on the spot ( pin 5) where the cap is so you can easily change the cap values and have different ranges that you can test. i did that with my 555 timer circuit that i have been using for a while now. cause it would be a waste to desolder the cap everytime when you wanna try a different range.
Greets JB
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 06, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
Hi JohnBlade,
This post may also be of use to you: -->havuhung - track layout - Reply #971 on: April 27, 2014, 05:15:19 PM<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg400046/#msg400046)
All the Best
Chris
Thnx Chris!
Quote from: starcruiser on May 06, 2014, 10:13:39 AM
From the looks of the screen shots this is a frequency roll off due to a bad input stage. I would check the input stage coupling capacitor as this might be causing the attenuation issue. How does it do on DC? If the issue is AC only I would check the front end for channel 2 for damaged components.
If you look at the screen shots the rise time is what is being affected, this makes me think of a bad capacitor since it cannot keep up with the incoming signal (charging the cap). Open her up and replace the input capacitor, if you have a tester I would pull it and test it. Probably a inexpensive fix.
I agree, that's why I asked if there was any difference when coupling was changed from AC to DC and back. No answer...
We can see that the A1 channel is set to DC-coupled. But we need the information for channel A2!
It's always something....
Quote from: JohnnBlade on May 06, 2014, 07:49:06 PM
i think its better to add a 12 step switch on the spot ( pin 5) where the cap is so you can easily change the cap values and have different ranges that you can test. i did that with my 555 timer circuit that i have been using for a while now. cause it would be a waste to desolder the cap everytime when you wanna try a different range.
Greets JB
You probably have more inter-lead capacitance in there than the actual cap on the 34063, which is only 2.2 nanoFarads!
Just kidding.... sort of.
;)
I'll bet you have a great collection of colored clipleads..... am I right?
(The reason the cap values in Akula's circuits keep changing, is so that you will keep chasing them. Red Herrings abound and are easy to chase, but you won't catch the big fish doing it. You will more likely get eaten, yourself.)
Quote from: wattsup on May 06, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
@starcruiser
I opened her up and at the CH2 entry the components are so small I am really not inclined to even try to poke around. I thought that maybe by fluke chance I could have seen a workable cap showing some evidence of blow up or overheating but these components are way to small. So I will use the CH A on this scope and then use my other scope, a Hitachi V650F. Not as advanced but this workhorse had served me well for many years with simple no frills waveform. Damn it, just when I wanted to do a video of my AK30, those frill would have come in handy.
@JohnnBlade
It's good to know that there are others here that have this stubborn streak when you decide to do something, you go all the way. Can't wait to learn what the cap values are for Pin 5. That damn pin 5 has had different values in every build schematic Akula put out. AK30 is at 3n, anther at 10n, I think another at 2.2n shown on the schematic. But this is supposed to provide the frequency range so why not just put what I have always thought should be there, a 1n cap.
wattsup
The AC-coupling capacitor is probably the physically largest one in the front-end. It will be a good poly-film type of 300 V or more. Do you have the Service Manual for the scope, or a link to a digital version?
Now, I'll try again: I am asking questions for a reason. If you actually answer the questions I and other people actually ask, we might get somewhere.
1. Again: was the channel2, the one with the problem, set to AC coupled, or DC coupled?
2. What happens when you hook the Channel A2 probe to the sig gen, through a 0.1 uF coupling capacitor? Probe tip to cap, cap to FG.
Hi All,
Has anyone tested the resistance measurement on the ferrite core? . .
I have no ferrite pot core, so I can not measure to see if the resistance value on the core surface is how much (Kohm/cm)? . .
Regards
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 06, 2014, 09:25:51 PM
The AC-coupling capacitor is probably the physically largest one in the front-end. It will be a good poly-film type of 300 V or more. Do you have the Service Manual for the scope, or a link to a digital version?
Now, I'll try again: I am asking questions for a reason. If you actually answer the questions I and other people actually ask, we might get somewhere.
1. Again: was the channel2, the one with the problem, set to AC coupled, or DC coupled?
2. What happens when you hook the Channel A2 probe to the sig gen, through a 0.1 uF coupling capacitor? Probe tip to cap, cap to FG.
@TK
Thank for your kind patience. ChB is the problem because my other scope coincides with the channel A readout, so I know it's ChB and regardless of A or B or both being AC/DC, DC/CA, AC/AC or DC/DC the problem does not change, the only difference between AC and DC is that in AC, the waveform moves up to their respective zero X axis points on the screen, but the signal strength shows the same divergence when they should be identical.
I am showing you two images of the CHb on the calibrate pin and ground. The am also showing the vpp, vrms and the freq. In the second shot with the 0.1M cap (100n) I had to bring up the zero point by 2 divisions to have the waveform in the screen from where it was for the first shot but both are generally showing the same thing, no difference.
I also put up a shot of the CHA and CHB entry point on the scopes circuit board. The ChB is the left (center of photo) and ChA is the right (top of photo). I have not seen any apparent damage to the components on either side and there is no big capacitor there to consider.
I have not found the schematic for this scope yet but will keep looking. It is a HP-54645D. The problem occurs when I go above 5KHz the waveform B is about 1/10th that of ChA.
Thank again for your looking into this. Got to leave for work so I'll check in from there later on.
wattsup
looking at the PCB pix, it seems that they are using relays to switch the input, the yellow blocks (one is labeled K5) can you trace the input path on the PCB? This will tell you which components are in path. It is possible that the relay might have some contact issues (carbon) which would impact your readings. I would also look at the trimmer cap to the left as well. Finding a schematic would be a huge help in fixing the scopes input.
BTW the sq wave signal you are showing has a little tilt, still showing roll off, the top pix. the next one seems to look better but you can adjust it to the graticule line to check that.
edit: just found this, perhaps can assist?
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/529230/Agilent-54645a.html
Hi All,
I added some more details to the circuit from Akula0083, hopefully some of yall can fill in the blanks.
And check for improvement.
I will still be trying to add more info, but this is what i got now, cause many other circuit did not add up.
The components values i will add after some more reverse enginering, if you know the values then you can add that to the picture, and like that we can complete it together and test the circuit.
Values with an x infront means i wasnt sure how the mosfet driver was connected or how that part was properly connected, but i think i got most of it.
I am missing 2 diodes at the bottom mosfet driver, and a resistor next to C3
Hope it makes some sence to yall : )
Here is a draft on youtube
http://youtu.be/7yJytHhudX8
Greets JB
Off topic guys! Throw that over in the Scope Repair thread please.
@All,
I can confirm some unusual effects from using a Phase Shifted Pulsed DC into the two coils on the Input. My Post below shows How I have done it thus far.
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 02, 2014, 04:25:20 AM
@All,
I have found a way to produce the signals we need. Its quite cost efficient, doesn't require lot of time and is easy. Its very flexible and should be very easy to implement.
What's in your Tool Kit?
Most of us have been using Microcontrollers, some have been using them for sometime!
If your Tool Kit does not Include a Microcontroller them I highly recommend you start looking at it.
Microcontrollers - FEZ Hydra
I have programed a FEZ Hydra to produce the signals we need! Initially I did not think it would be possible due to CPU PWM Frequency Limitations. I am having stray inductance issues at high frequency but its not too bad considering.
Its early days in this endeavour and lots of improvements can be made. The point is that the signals are there, they are good for High Frequency with a little tiding up we could make big improvements.
If enough are keen then I can move forward and show others how to do it.
Advisory
I don't recommend anyone rush out and purchase a FEZ Hydra at this point in time! Its early and this path of investigation may not result in what we are after. For those that don't have a FEZ Hydra already that is! If you have a FEZ Hydra sitting around and have not used for a while then let me know and we can start some very simple experiments.
NOTE: If you're new to the FEZ Hydra, it can be a little problematic and in the past has had a ton of issues. Most issues are now fixed which is good!
All the Best
Chris
The output coil Pulses with the Standing wave that is created. Its also in and around the same range or frequencies that I have confirmed on the video, Akula was around 7KHX and mine is at about 5 KHz at the moment.
I can see a definite standing wave created on the scope and its apparent in the Load as a Pulsing flash on the Light. Its not overunity yet but there is something there.
All the Best
Chris
Hi Everyone,
I found today what I believe to be possibly the most important piece of information I have ever seen Akula write down:
The difficulty is to wind the coil so that the inverter current induction field generated will not interfere with transistors or thyristors forming a 220 volt 50 hertz. here invent what you want want want shakes bifilar stavte intermediate trans. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3RpsEZE14&noredirect=1)
The Full Text:
цитата автора:akula0083: "собирайте простой преобразователь 12-220, 24-220, 36-220..... ну кому как удобно или у кого какие радио детали есть.
трансформатор поместите вовнутрь поля создаваемое индуктором от простой индукционной схемы. для весомого результата поле должно иметь силу которое может нагревать металлический предмет равный по размерам трансформатору преобразователя !То есть это наблюдение из собственного опыта берем кусок железа примерно того же размера как наш трансформатор на котором собран преобразователь и помещаем его в индуктор включаем индукционную так сказать печку и если металл нагреваеться достаточно быстро ну где-то за 120 секунд его уже становиться сложно держать в руках все будит работать
Сложность в том чтобы намотать обмотки преобразователя так чтобы ток создаваемый индукционным полем не мешал работе транзисторов или тиристоров формирующих 220 вольт 50 герц. вот тут придумывайте как хотите хотите мотайте бифиляры хотите ставте промежуточный транс.
Видео от сюда автор: akula0083: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103786798...
видео от сюда http://video.yandex.ru/users/akula0083/
копии видео от сюда: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...
копии видео от сюда: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C4yEA...
канал с копиями видео:http://www.youtube.com/user/131313den...
skype akula0083
ФОРУМ ОБСУЖДЕНИЯ УСТРОЙСТВА: http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapan...
I am going to say that this does in fact relate to the work of Paul Raymond Jensen. Anyone following this? I believe once who ever is following does in fact put this together, we will have a winning combination.
All the Best
Chris
John Blade
Thank you for your excellent work in tracing the circuit. You may be interested in what I wrote in this thread:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2420.msg38379#msg38379 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2420.msg38379#msg38379)
If you can check your board against the attached schematic it would be helpful, as I believe this schematic is the correct one. You can see the erase marks where the corrections were made, when comparing it to the original 1st version hand drawn schematic. The other cleaned up schematics have at least 3 serious errors.
BTW, things are getting quite confused with all the Akula versions. Perhaps the administrator could start a thread called "Akula Dual TL494 Device" and move all the appropriate stuff there.
The scope troubleshooting stuff should also go elsewhere, as it is a derail.
Quote from: Vortex1 on May 08, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
John Blade
Thank you for your excellent work in tracing the circuit. You may be interested in what I wrote in this thread:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2420.msg38379#msg38379 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2420.msg38379#msg38379)
If you can check your board against the attached schematic it would be helpful, as I believe this schematic is the correct one. You can see the erase marks where the corrections were made, when comparing it to the original 1st version hand drawn schematic. The other cleaned up schematics have at least 3 serious errors.
BTW, things are getting quite confused with all the Akula versions. Perhaps the administrator could start a thread called "Akula Dual TL494 Device" and move all the appropriate stuff there.
The scope troubleshooting stuff should also go elsewhere, as it is a derail.
Thnx Vortex!
I have opened a new thread for the dual tl494
http://www.overunity.com/14610/akula0083-light-no3-dual-tl494/new/#new
There we can play with the dual TL494 :)
I also signed up at realstrannik.ru to see if i can provoke Akula himself :p
That hand drawing from Abtop, is wrong it has a mosfet driver by the first mosfet, that is the circuit for the one with that step down thing from the first movie, it is not the same.
Greets JB
@All,
Yes I believe this is right, the schematic mentioned above, which we have been referencing as 'Grandfather Scheme 2' which was the original name of the schematic when posted here, is of the Akula0083 Lantern No#3 revision 1. It appears to be the next version after the one with the external Switch Mode Power Supply.
All the Best
Chris
@All,
I would like to propose the possibility of the Lantern No#3 circuit working as an over complicated H-Bridge or correctly, a Half H-Bridge.
If the Coil that was actually the input coil was in fact being driven with a series Resonant LC Tank via an overly complicated H-Bridge, or correctly, a Half H-Bridge then this may explain the fact that the 9 Volt Battery (only capable of providing a few milliamps) could have started the device.
A Dual TL494 Half H-Bridge circuit is provided below for comparison.
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong.
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
I want to show why I say Series Resonant and not Parallel Resonant, some may not see the difference and there is a big difference:
Series Resonance: Circuit impedance is minimum.
Parallel Resonance: Circuit impedance is maximum.
See: -->LC circuit<-- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit)
By Resonating the Circuit we can see a lot of things, Sine wave and not a square wave across the coils, minimum input is needed to start the circuit, other things like Time constants on the coils and so on.
I hope this helps.
All the Best
Chris
P.S: In Diagram 3 I have shown that each of the other circuits (Diagram 1 and 2) have this same added capacitance of 1000uF not shown in Diagram 1 and 2.
Hi Everyone,
If one could imagine, the wave would look something like the below picture. The Arrows indicating Peak charge in the Run Caps, 1000uF and 2200uF shown above. The wave would then be falling off, Diodes then conduct...
All the Best
Chris
P.S: This wave is Bi Polar and of course we would not get this wave, only half of it!
@All,
I have uploaded 10 more Videos up to -->Akula Vids<-- (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos?view_as=public)
All the Best
Chris
Hi All, Hi EMJunkie
Very good job of analyzing circuits.
Now comes the selection of the ferrite core, ferrite core of the flyback from television and computer monitor, I found that they contained materials are not the same! . .
Dual TL494; now see that's easy :)
the lower one's an or gate; or 2x pulses
probably set for short pulses
I assume the bottom one is intended to be a higher frequency that the top... it drives the lower inductance also...
The main flow must happen through the pickup coil and 3 diodes... so it's not nessecarilly keeping positive, but forcing the ground side low....
reds are the 'hot sides' of caps, current flows towards them (if current flows away from them, they become hotter)
the 1000 uf near the power input (batter jump) and the 2200uf at the three diodes are in parallel actually... (with a switch between them, but the switch also breaks the 3 diode rectifier)
I guess what drives the current flow at the top is the forward emf of the 13(?) wind coil at top...
which with decreasing current could hopefully make the pickup coil create a flow in the proper direction...
(sorry to scribble all over it)
The bottom left; there's a 'Q2' I think with a 'g5%' .. is that 95? 85? I'm guessing 9...
Quote from: havuhung on May 09, 2014, 12:03:31 AM
Hi All, Hi EMJunkie
Very good job of analyzing circuits.
Now comes the selection of the ferrite core, ferrite core of the flyback from television and computer monitor, I found that they contained materials are not the same! . .
Hey Havuhung,
Thanks!
I am convinced (100%) that the ferrite is not the key to success. Its just a part of the circuit. Look at the success of Avalon over in the 3v OU Flashlight thread. -->See Here<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg401647/#msg401647)
5ma @ 2.6 volts = 0.013 mWatts
Akula has many other devices that don't use a Ferrite Core.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: d3x0r on May 09, 2014, 01:48:50 AM
Dual TL494; now see that's easy :)
the lower one's an or gate; or 2x pulses
probably set for short pulses
I assume the bottom one is intended to be a higher frequency that the top... it drives the lower inductance also...
The main flow must happen through the pickup coil and 3 diodes... so it's not nessecarilly keeping positive, but forcing the ground side low....
reds are the 'hot sides' of caps, current flows towards them (if current flows away from them, they become hotter)
the 1000 uf near the power input (batter jump) and the 2200uf at the three diodes are in parallel actually... (with a switch between them, but the switch also breaks the 3 diode rectifier)
I guess what drives the current flow at the top is the forward emf of the 13(?) wind coil at top...
which with decreasing current could hopefully make the pickup coil create a flow in the proper direction...
(sorry to scribble all over it)
The bottom left; there's a 'Q2' I think with a 'g5%' .. is that 95? 85? I'm guessing 9...
@d3x0r, I agree, this is how I see it working.
All the Best
Chris
Hi All,
For the ones who have not seen it yet i added some new info and have build the circuit, so testing can be done.
http://www.overunity.com/14610/akula0083-light-no3-dual-tl494/
Greets JB
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 09, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
Hey Havuhung,
Thanks!
I am convinced (100%) that the ferrite is not the key to success.
Its just a part of the circuit. Look at the success of Avalon over in the 3v OU Flashlight thread. -->See Here<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg401647/#msg401647)
5ma @ 2.6 volts = 0.013 mWatts
Akula has many other devices that don't use a Ferrite Core.
All the Best
Chris
hi EMJunkie,
If you take a close look at his video,the one with 2 tesla coil as well.The catalyst is the yoke core.He is looking at properties of ferrite from sub-molecular level level which eventually evolve to those devices.
We will be going into that at the later stage(Not as deep as molecular) to once many of us have figured out how to unlock the ferrite to release access energy.Let us take it step by step,science didn't just appear in 1 day although it did slowly evolve from alchemy.Remember we had no clue months back and the population of naysayer was higher back then. :D
Quote from: magpwr on May 09, 2014, 05:19:21 AM
hi EMJunkie,
If you take a close look at his video,the one with 2 tesla coil as well.The catalyst is the yoke core.He is looking at properties of ferrite from sub-molecular level level which eventually evolve to those devices.
We will be going into that at the later stage(Not as deep as molecular) to once many of us have figured out how to unlock the ferrite to release access energy.Let us take it step by step,science didn't just appear in 1 day although it did slowly evolve from alchemy.Remember we had no clue months back and the population of naysayer was higher back then. :D
@Magpwr, @All
I disagree! Akula's TPU Style Self Running Devices, had no Ferrite in the devices at all.
See:
These devices had NO Ferrite Core!
1: -->Akula 1 Watt TPU<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYx-9WI8TNo)
2: -->Akula TPU Version 2<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z37vpqjGKuE)
Ferrite Cores can vary dramatically in their Permeability even though the size of the core may not vary! Also the optimum operating frequency of the ferrite core can be quite different from one core to the other. Some may like to operate in the 100KHz range, some may like to operate in the 10KHz range, others may be in the MHz range. (Not so common in MHz, Air Cored Inductors are more commonly incorporated at these frequencies)
Why is it there has to be some amazing '
MAGIC' going on in these devices? Its not MAGIC! Its a few simple components that a smart bloke has put together. Akula may like a high Permeability or a certain Optimum Operating Frequency, its not powering the whole System! Its a part of the system. Look at only the Facts! Two Self Running Units didn't have Ferrite Cores! This fact tells me that the '
MAGIC' is not in the Ferrite Core.
Sorry to ramble but people making wild unsubstantiated claims about '
MAGIC' does not make any progress!
All the Best
Chris
These Self Running Devices had NO Ferrite Core!
The magic is on how to wind the coils. That's all nothing less, nothing more. Tesla can both work these devices either with core or coreless. Because the real reason is on the coils. The proper DIRECTION of the TWO HALVES/TWO COILS which Tesla always mention on his papers and articles.
The Magic is on the Direction and Layered Winding. Dont think of a Coils instead think of a Capacitor using the those coils to make that Capacity.
Meow
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 09, 2014, 05:43:35 AM
@Magpwr, @All
I disagree! Akula's TPU Style Self Running Devices, had no Ferrite in the devices at all.
See:
These devices had NO Ferrite Core!
1: -->Akula 1 Watt TPU<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYx-9WI8TNo)
2: -->Akula TPU Version 2<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z37vpqjGKuE)
Ferrite Cores can vary dramatically in their Permeability even though the size of the core may not vary! Also the optimum operating frequency of the ferrite core can be quite different from one core to the other. Some may like to operate in the 100KHz range, some may like to operate in the 10KHz range, others may be in the MHz range. (Not so common in MHz, Air Cored Inductors are more commonly incorporated at these frequencies)
Why is it there has to be some amazing 'MAGIC' going on in these devices? Its not MAGIC! Its a few simple components that a smart bloke has put together. Akula may like a high Permeability or a certain Optimum Operating Frequency, its not powering the whole System! Its a part of the system. Look at only the Facts! Two Self Running Units didn't have Ferrite Cores! This fact tells me that the 'MAGIC' is not in the Ferrite Core.
Sorry to ramble but people making wild unsubstantiated claims about 'MAGIC' does not make any progress!
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: stupify12 on May 09, 2014, 06:40:22 AM
The magic is on how to wind the coils. That's all nothing less, nothing more. Tesla can both work these devices either with core or coreless. Because the real reason is on the coils. The proper DIRECTION of the TWO HALVES/TWO COILS which Tesla always mention on his papers and articles.
The Magic is on the Direction and Layered Winding. Dont think of a Coils instead think of a Capacitor using the those coils to make that Capacity.
Meow
@Stupify12,
Exactly right!
Akula:
"The difficulty is to wind the coil so that the inverter current induction field generated will not interfere with transistors or thyristors forming a 220 volt 50 hertz. here invent what you want want want shakes bifilar stavte intermediate trans."
This is right, its the only fact that fits in with the rest.
All the Best
Chris
Hi and good day to all,
There is already an akula dual 494 thread thank's to johnyblade, let us not mix things up here, just a reminder. ;)
Regards
Cc
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 09, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
Hey Havuhung,
Thanks!
I am convinced (100%) that the ferrite is not the key to success.
Its just a part of the circuit. Look at the success of Avalon over in the 3v OU Flashlight thread. -->See Here<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg401647/#msg401647)
5ma @ 2.6 volts = 0.013 mWatts
Akula has many other devices that don't use a Ferrite Core.
All the Best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
Looks pretty convincing but one thing is: Until now there have not been any self-running devices like Akula 0083 performances. . . :D
@All
I want to share a very simple experiment to try to show that the Ferrite Cores I have spoken of above are NOT producing any Magical effects! I have already proven this with the fact that at least 2 of Akula's Self Running devices did not have any Ferrite in the units at all.
However, there are some effects that some may not know about and may not have seen:
Below I will show the simple Circuit, the Experiment and the Wave Form. Yes this experiment does shake the entirety of the Ferrite core to an almost shattering state depending on the input Voltage but it does not do anything so amazing that Science does not already understand, mostly. Its simple, call it Dimensional Resonance, or Domain Resonance, or even simply a Harmonic Acoustic Resonance. Its almost a Spin Wave, created by the input Wave form.
This effect could be used by Akula, and I am not ruling it out. I am saying that this is not some MAGICAL effect and the reason that Akula's devices run by themselves.
YouTube Video: -->In an attempt to understand Akula0083's Work - The Ferrite Squealing Pig<-- (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eJevE1FEas)
Akula may have utilised this effect but like I say its not Magic. Simple Science, I have shown this effect back in previous posts with links to download the Movie from my website.
This is the URL: -->Ioannis Xydous - AetherControl<-- (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/AetherControl.wmv) and the PDF is attached.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: havuhung on May 10, 2014, 02:00:03 AM
Hi EMJunkie,
Looks pretty convincing but one thing is: Until now there have not been any self-running devices like Akula 0083 performances. . . :D
Hey Havuhung,
Yes I agree, its not easy unless one know how to do it. Richard Feynman used to say: "Little Steps for Little Feet!" I try to use that as a guide.
We will get there.
@CrazyCut, common join in, show us your work!
All the Best
Chris
I'm experimenting in the background, with you ;D nothing special to share and show, for now, keep experimenting, we will get there :o Soon!
Nice one Chris, Could it be simply a 'tuning talk' phenomena ? if you look on Eric 'the professors' video's 'the car' 'flux capacitor' he talks about a vibrating read relay or element, that charges up his battery if he just leaves it on, watch it and see for your self.
good luck.
Alien Grey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtM6rJxs0uM
Quote from: AlienGrey on May 11, 2014, 05:37:13 AM
Nice one Chris, Could it be simply a 'tuning talk' phenomena ? if you look on Eric 'the professors' video's 'the car' 'flux capacitor' he talks about a vibrating read relay or element, that charges up his battery if he just leaves it on, watch it and see for your self.
good luck.
Alien Grey
Hey Alien Grey,
Yes this is right. By Phase Shifting 2x frequencies it creates this effect. Its not Magic or mystical science. The PDF Documents I posted explain this effect. If done right it can create Inertial Forces that can accelerate an object. I have posted this in the Video in my original post.
All the Best
Chris
Quote from: AlienGrey on May 11, 2014, 05:37:13 AM
Nice one Chris, Could it be simply a 'tuning talk' phenomena ? if you look on Eric 'the professors' video's 'the car' 'flux capacitor' he talks about a vibrating read relay or element, that charges up his battery if he just leaves it on, watch it and see for your self.
good luck.
Alien Grey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtM6rJxs0uM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtM6rJxs0uM)
I left comment there:
If you google for patent GB191417811A you might stumble on very close description Eric Dollard was talking about in this video.
In the end of the day, he is not alone who been there and done stuff... ;)
P.S> This stuff is out of Akula's 30W LED flashlight scope topic and you might create separate thread for this.
Dear All.
Have a look at this !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B79UJGoNJE
Simplicity !!
Cheers Grum.
I found this schematic, maybe is the same?
Quote from: hre_1972 on May 11, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
I found this schematic, maybe is the same?
No, someone has the circuit version of the video?
@All,
Does anyone have any Video of the Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator?
All the Best
Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
Not found, and whether there is video clip illustrates, the results of the job recreating this device is not better!!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: havuhung on May 12, 2014, 05:39:08 AM
Hi EMJunkie,
Not found, and whether there is video clip illustrates, the results of the job recreating this device is not better!!! ;D ;D ;D
Then do not work?
Hi alejandroguille,
Well, for me it does not work! . . :(
Quote from: alejandroguille on May 11, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
No, someone has the circuit version of the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B79UJGoNJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk35CpCFg1w
http://laserhacker.com/?p=396
Quote from: alejandroguille on May 11, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
No, someone has the circuit version of the video?
Here is the circuit.
Cheers
Quote from: ehsanco1962 on May 12, 2014, 08:11:59 PM
Here is the circuit.
Cheers
hi ehsanco1962,
I merely added the missing detail- transistor
2N1304 npn Germanium which was left out.
replica lazersaber
http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E (http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E)
Quote from: madsatbg on May 13, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
replica lazersaber
http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E (http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E)
Great Madsatbag.
Take a look at this from TinselKoala. even better??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQi4jz2puio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQi4jz2puio)
I'm tired of seeing incomplete circuits.
be because they are afraid to patent law?
Quote from: madsatbg on May 13, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
replica lazersaber
http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E (http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E)
nice replication, how long does it run for?
Quote from: starcruiser on May 15, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
nice replication, how long does it run for?
10 min. :)
Quote from: madsatbg on May 13, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
replica lazersaber
http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E (http://youtu.be/SgiVsHFdl3E)
Holly Macaroni Shit!!! is this for real... ?
Quote from: Thestone on May 15, 2014, 05:06:42 PM
Holly Macaroni Shit!!! is this for real... ?
sure all 10 minutes of runtime....
here's some more food...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wSPZxQXYR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9Ilvs38gQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g5_x1TQsPA
So is this the secret of Kapanadze? If you add more and bigger capacitors can take bigger load?
Quote from: Farmhand on May 03, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
I wasn't sure where to post about this here will do. Maybe one of the folks experimenting with TV yolks have noticed the effect I will describe below, or maybe it is normal, although I can't say I've seen the effect so pronounced.
Setup is a regular smallish TV yolk with around 100 turns on each half of 0.5 mm magnet wire one side has about 4.25 mH and the other is about 3.85 mH, I connected the function generator to the 4.25 mH winding with a sine wave signal at almost full amplitude which I think is about + - 18v and scoped both windings. The LC calculator here http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Calculators/LC-Calculator.htm says that with 4 mH and 100 pF capacitance (added for instrument capacitance) the resonant frequency should be at about 250 kHz and it does seem as though it is as the amplitude of the wave forms peak and the undriven winding increases voltage from slightly less than the driven winding to about the same.
But here is the interesting part when I keep increasing the input frequency then the undriven waveform distorts then increases amplitude a lot but the driven one doesn't ( it's on the opposite half of the yolk, they are clipped together), then when the input frequency approaches around 1000 khz the undriven winding phase differs from the driven one and develops a quite high voltage sine wave which goes to 330 volts pp while the driven side is still 14 volts pp. I haven't used the HV probe yet to see actually how high it goes.
My question is. Is this normal ? I can make a quick video clip to show it if get time tonight. It's kinda interesting.
I would not have thought that driving the winding at a frequency so much above the LC resonance would show such voltages. What am I missing ? I'll investigate some more and get some better numbers make a drawing or short video clip or something to better explain, typing is a pain.
..
Correction above : the undriven wave form peaks at 330 volts pp with the driven wave form at 14 volts pp and 90 degrees phase difference between them at 1040 mHz.
I guess I'll try some capacitors and see what happens. :D
..
Dear Farmhand did u find your answer?
Not really but I am thinking the amplitude peak I seen at the lower frequency must have been a odd harmonic or something and I wasn't paying attention, the big peak at the higher frequency was the LC resonance peak. I'll try again with a better switching circuit rather than the FG and use more power. Try to look into this rattling the core for energy thing. :)
..
Thanks :)
As I'm also working with the ferrite yoke circuits, I'd also like to comment on what may be happening on your set up. As you vary the frequency, the second half of the yoke will get tuned to the different resonant peaks. Some of those peaks offer higher output than other peaks or harmonics, so it's important to try to tune closest to the highest resonant peak. Adding magnetite magnets to the yoke core, and using different tuning caps can also help to tune the frequency, for the sweet spot(s), as well as to add to the output levels.
I had a 120v 7watt bulb burn out, unexpectedly when hitting one of those resonant peaks. Adding more bulbs to the load of the second half of the yoke will also effect the running frequency. But, there are some bulbs that will actually raise the circuit's output voltage, as each bulb is added, to a point. I use 110v 100watt bulbs, mostly, as they are what give the best lumin levels, in my case.
Is this thread dead.... ???
JEJEE yes, is dead because akula is fake...
AKULA IS FAKE? WOW... I HAD A HOPE WITH THIS PROJECT BUT, FOR REALLY IT IS FAKE?
Quote from: hre_1972 on May 21, 2014, 08:35:09 PM
AKULA IS FAKE? WOW... I HAD A HOPE WITH THIS PROJECT BUT, FOR REALLY IT IS FAKE?
When no one can replicate anything, it is because it is false ....
Especially when the specialists are trying to replicate ...
Quote from: alejandroguille on May 21, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
JEJEE yes, is dead because akula is fake...
@ alejandroguille but who or how did anyone was able to find it was fake, it is easy to said it, but lets show it... ;)
Quote from: Thestone on May 21, 2014, 08:51:43 PM
@ alejandroguille but who or how did anyone was able to find it was fake, it is easy to said it, but lets show it... ;)
ok, tell me who could replicate - akula 1w-30w-80w 5kw versions?
Quote from: alejandroguille on May 21, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
ok, tell me who could replicate - akula 1w-30w-80w 5kw versions?
Well this is not a good reason.... tell me who can replicate TPU from Steve Mark, kapanadze device, etc, etc, etc.... :P unless you think every one out there is fake too... which will be the end of the discussion...
1W; Easily doable with the reasonble brightness given either a super cap replaced (slight of hand misconception) for the short term of the runtime shown; See Laser saber simplified pulse circuit... the difference is a low power oscillator chip or a low power oscillator transistor...
30W; I've seen a few people assemble the dual tl494's; but no positive results at all...
XW: I saw a few others trying to do the dual tuned tesla coils things... but really the point on that is, there was a telsa coil inside powered on batteries that didn't need the house mains, and the receiver outside (?) Again misdirection; otherwise no successful replications..
In memory of Feischmann and Pons; one can always hope.... even the scientists did things wrong.
shortly after posting those low voltage videos he purged his channel... Stive has said repeeatedly that he(akula)'s embittered and doesn't owe anything anyone; so likely if you see it, it's not worth what you think it is... Anything he finds he'll keep for himself.
Sure he's embittered, at being caught out so easily. That's what he gets for violating "Conservation of Miracles". Had he stuck to just one or two devices, everyone would still be puzzling and trying to replicate his performance with those. But everything he touches turns to OU... so just like Midas, he is in trouble because of it.
Now there's the "3-3-3-3" circuit, 3 transistors, three coils, three LEDs, three volts. And I predict less than three minutes runtime when the 3V is removed -- for everyone outside of Russia and Ukraine, that is.
Hi All,
If Akula0083 devices actually work, there is a secret (private holding him) and he did not share! . . These video clips of him you see is definitely fake, because there is a hidden battery somehow!!! :( :( :(
His cover is now well and truly blown.
Oh, how so? What batteries? Even if some of his circuits are fake, where is the proof???
Or, can this all be a cover up for what really does work, to keep the Feds off his back, and keep us distracted from the real thing. That, I can believe, as it's working...
Quote from: NickZ on May 22, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Oh, how so? What batteries? Even if some of his circuits are fake, where is the proof???
Or, can this all be a cover up for what really does work, to keep the Feds off his back, and keep us distracted from the real thing. That, I can believe, as it's working...
Its working OK with a cable stuffed down the pipe, not terminated to it as he wants us to believe and most likely connected to the grid somewhere!
Definitely Akula works for the government.
I figured out the secret of one of the akula device. Akula replicated 3 type of overunity device, the first is teslacoil or ground type, the second is tpu or nmr type and the third is smartpak zpod or core type ou device. What i fully understand is the core type. It is possible to extract energy in inductor by converting surrounding heat energy into electricity. Although it is possible to use 1 coil to do it, it is more easy if two coils. One is occupying only a small portion of the core and the other one is occupying the large area of the core. It is much better if the secondary coil occupy the whole area of the core. By applying pulse to the first coil (magnetization phase) produces greater power to the second coil (demagnetization phase).
Hi,
I was reading the same topic on overunityresearch and T-1000 is trying to close the OU loop. This message is for him if he has run out of ideas. I've been studying the schematic, and I believe that the bottom of L2 (with the diode) needs to be connected to ground instead of the C3+ line. Otherwise I don't see how it can charge the C11 with the BEMF.
Maybe someone with access to that forum can pass the message.
Quote from: wayne49s on May 27, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Hi,
I was reading the same topic on overunityresearch and T-1000 is trying to close the OU loop. This message is for him if he has run out of ideas. I've been studying the schematic, and I believe that the bottom of L2 (with the diode) needs to be connected to ground instead of the C3+ line. Otherwise I don't see how it can charge the C11 with the BEMF.
Maybe someone with access to that forum can pass the message.
Hi,
I managed to fix circuit and posted it in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg38968#msg38968
The BEMF appears on OFF state of MOSFET and is on reversed polarity so the capacitor C3 gets a charge then it goes to LEDs after certain voltage level. If you try connect L2 directly it kills BEMF (I tried to play around with diodes) and raises input amperage consumption.
Cheers!
Akula is a fake like all other OU claims. >:( >:( >:(
Dont waste your time and hopes guys.
Move on.
Quote from: Google on June 01, 2014, 09:32:38 PM
Akula is a fake like all other OU claims. >:( >:( >:(
Dont waste your time and hopes guys.
Move on.
Easy to discard as fake while there is no fake in power from NMR... ;)
Learn all about NMR imaging first then use metals there, this will give strong magnetic field instead which is usable power for induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuXqnTlJNM
Sounds like the ones that are bitter are the one that have nothing to show.
Akula is not one of them...
Are you sure that you want to pursue NMR T-1000??? As that may also have a bitter ending.
When safe magnetic fields are used to produce energy, similar as to how a magnet is passed by coils, there is no nuclear decay, nor nuclear poison released, either.
Take your pic...
Quote from: NickZ on June 02, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
Are you sure that you want to pursue NMR T-1000??? As that may also have a bitter ending.
This is what akula showed in latest video.
I do not think it will be bitter ending as any hazardous effect need to be shielded and treated with respect - like high voltage power transformers when powered on... ;)
Latest video from Akula.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuXqnTlJNM
take care, peace
lost_bro
How are Akula's test "proving" that NMR is the real cause behind his circuit's output?
How do you know for sure that NMR can be shielded. Beta can't be shielded.
We can't even shield the Earths magnetic or gravitational energy field, as there is still the effects of gravity, even inside of a microwave oven. Right?
So, I don't buy it... still.
The ocean water at the beaches next to me even here in Costa Rica are still getting unsafe levels of radiation from the nuclear contamination coming from Japan.
Sea life is now mutating. Children are still swimming in these waters.
How Nice! Let's build more reactors....
Quote from: NickZ on June 02, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
How do you know that NMR can be shielded. Beta can't be shielded.
Nope, it can be shielded - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228183 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228183)
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/outreach/8thgradesol/RadiationProtectionFrm.htm
Hello NickZ
Actually the word the "Akula" uses in the video is 'Ferroresonance'.
Considering the different types of Resonance that are possible in relation to ferrites, this word 'Ferroresonance' then covers a range of possibilities regarding the actual mechanism that is actually propagating the 'resonance' within that flyback core.
NMR is only one of those possibilities........
take care, peace
lost_bro
Agreed. But, "Possibilities", are not proof. Let's not confuse the issue.
Ferro-resonance? What is the ferrite core resonating to, or with??? Could it not be the same energy that a magnet is emitting? Magnetic or gravitational energy?
NMR from these particular circuits has NOT BEEN PROVEN.
Nor did TK use ferrite cores.
I agree that resonance can be a factor involved, but, what is REALLY resonating, with what?
Hello NickZ
This is the latest video from Avalon......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYLVyswgeQ
Says it is Ferroresonance...... self sustaining.
take care, peace
lost_bro
Self running means more than just efficiently running off of a pre-charged cap until it won't. Or also while connected to SG or any other extenal power source or test instruments. He mentioned that after one week he disconnected the circuit. I suspect it was barely lighting the led at that time. What does this prove? I don't see a useable lumin level, as well.
I just posted an update in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg39158#msg39158
If you will be able to find right ferrite, should be not too hard to try... :)
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 09, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
Hey Havuhung,
Thanks!
I am convinced (100%) that the ferrite is not the key to success.
Its just a part of the circuit. Look at the success of Avalon over in the 3v OU Flashlight thread. -->See Here<-- (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg401647/#msg401647)
5ma @ 2.6 volts = 0.013 mWatts
Akula has many other devices that don't use a Ferrite Core.
All the Best
Chris
Ferrite has important part of it, but it is only for testing – it is not for day to day use. Ferrite losing it`s domain structure and in the end it stop work.
There is two materials who can capable do the same work as ferrite – thaey are expensive. One is Pemalloy and other MetGlas (Tariel Kapanadze using transformer Permalloy) - the saond what you hear when starting device... (but there are one more thing)
* You need to know - that you do not need to make resonance of coils, but resonance of ferrite or other matereal who can do work (Overtone) in this case.
* Important is how long transistor are opened.
in the end (i think Ferroresonance is not the right word) this is Overtone - resonance in medium, room or in matereal. When you get in overtone, example in sound - you can brick a wine glas. "I talked about this 4 years ago"
CosmoLV:
You mentioned:
"We have build 10 Kw device in size of two "bulding bricks"
end quote.
So, can you show some pictures, or a video, or a bit more information, like is it self running, etz...
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on June 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
CosmoLV:
You mentioned:
"We have build 10 Kw device in size of two "bulding bricks"
end quote.
So, can you show some pictures, or a video, or a bit more information, like is it self running, etz...
NickZ
hi NickZ,
I agree with you.
It will be good enough for me if there is one photo provided to us which at least reveal a simple proof that "a device was built" since it about the size of 2 bricks.
Taking one photo should be easy.
Quote from: magpwr on June 05, 2014, 05:20:28 AM
hi NickZ,
I agree with you.
It will be good enough for me if there is one photo provided to us which at least reveal a simple proof that "a device was built" since it about the size of 2 bricks.
Taking one photo should be easy.
Sorry, no photos no videos. This is just for now! There are lot of to do. (i'm in process all the time)
(the problem why many cannot replicate it is by that you try to do it in classical way. There are two frequencies mixed together, you can make it with any PWM IC or with two 555 timers easelly to check out results, the rest is control of this process by PLL (phase locked loop) or make all on Atmel controller - i do all my experiments with Arduino. (thats all - you even do not need a soldering iron for that)
there are lot of working schematics out there, the hard part of all experimenters and seekers are.. -> (finding out that ferrite resonance) best ferrites are from Russia - old russian flyback ferrites and what i found out there are non russian miniature flyback transformers from LCD backlight transformers - they are small but perfect for tests.
you can even use two transistor simple frequency generator - this is not effiecient, but great for experiments. (in this setup ferrites in resonance exploding after some work time, but here you can exactly can see what is going on) "Remember sound an Wine glas"
all what needed for small device - divided in blue in pic.
http://s018.radikal.ru/i515/1406/e6/e8c8ebde5c2e.jpg
Rotation magnetic field. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1rK3Wdw48
Quote from: NickZ on June 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
CosmoLV:
You mentioned:
"We have build 10 Kw device in size of two "bulding bricks"
end quote.
So, can you show some pictures, or a video, or a bit more information, like is it self running, etz...
NickZ
I want to see the connectors....
Handling over 40 amps at 240 volts.... Oh yeah.
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 02:08:45 PM
I want to see the connectors....
Handling over 40 amps at 240 volts.... Oh yeah.
Well, for this you need to start small then if you know wha is causing secondary power input you can scale to the size you wish... ;)
@TK, This is possible 10kw thru a connector is not unheard of, this is done in RC aircraft (helicopters), bullet style is the norm, XT's are used too. I think even the Andersen power poles can support this.
Quote from: starcruiser on June 06, 2014, 03:47:22 PM
@TK, This is possible 10kw thru a connector is not unheard of, this is done in RC aircraft (helicopters), bullet style is the norm, XT's are used too. I think even the Andersen power poles can support this.
Oh really? 240 volts at 40 amps is just under ten kW. But RC helicopters use LiPo battery packs, not anywhere near 240 volts.
Let's see.... 24 volts at 400 amps? or with a 3-cell LiPo pack, call it 12 volts at 800 amps?
XT150 connectors _say_ they can handle "up to" 250 amps. Want to bet that's not a continuous duty rating?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__33020__XT150_Connectors_w_6mm_Gold_Connectors_Red_Black_5pairs_bag_.html
XT60, XT90.... say they can handle 60 and 90 amps, respectively.
Could You focus on topic instead of deviating and arguing for small things ? People are trying to do something and hundred are reading and some of them just posting even if thay should sit quiet because their opinion do not contribute at all. Make Your own replication and then discuss otherwise ...
Quote from: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
Oh really? 240 volts at 40 amps is just under ten kW. But RC helicopters use LiPo battery packs, not anywhere near 240 volts.
Let's see.... 24 volts at 400 amps? or with a 3-cell LiPo pack, call it 12 volts at 800 amps?
XT150 connectors _say_ they can handle "up to" 250 amps. Want to bet that's not a continuous duty rating?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__33020__XT150_Connectors_w_6mm_Gold_Connectors_Red_Black_5pairs_bag_.html
XT60, XT90.... say they can handle 60 and 90 amps, respectively.
Look at the Anderson Power Poles and similar connectors, various sizes for different applications. I was making a point T|K, nuff said. Back on topic
Does anyone have a working replica?
Hi pavqw,
until the present time, (I noticed) nobody succeeded in recreating and testing this device! The Forum Realstrannik.ru have discussed some topic and be an official member is also the author Akula0083 not help anyone! . . This makes people very frustrated and then there are opinions that the device is fake Akula0083!!! :(
Thanks!
Indeed it makes sanse that it is all fake - why somebody offer schematics for all the devices but do not want to help in replication?
I've also tried to contact Akula directly, without success.
Well, even it can work for cca 20 minutes there is probably no overunity. I have built very simple SJR device and it's runtime is around 3 hours. Other devices can work even longer.
Hi pavqw
Well, you continue to experiment with SJR device is better, and share your successes with all people.
Thanks
It seems to me a lot of schematics shown are using resonance, i.e. LC tanks, thus proper math and equipment should be used (Scopes, LCR meters, function generators, etc...) I understand that not all can afford this CPE but if you want to play in this space the proper equipment is a requirement IMHO.
I really seem to think (my opinion) the failures are due to a lack of rigor in checking their setups, remember this is not a tested design but someones garage engineering in most cases. You need to know what the tank (LC) circuits are doing! sloppy coils may contribute to the affect or not (changing the inductive/capacitive values of the coil). So the previous is just 2 examples of what is usually lacking.
I am not knocking anyone's attempts here, just pointing out what should be considered when performing these experiments, especially if you want to figure out why it works the way it does and be able to reproduce the effect/device and improve on it.
Have a great weekend!
I agree with you. But I dont understand such effort from Akula side. Maybe he can't speak english at all, but if he know how to build these devices, why he dont sell it. It could be very profitable for him.
And if he is not able to sell it, he can help to his friends. It should be absolutely no problem to replicate the device for him. So why he is posting many videos which should convince us about a proof?
He could potentionally change the world (if it is real) but nothing happened.
Hi All,
one thing is very confusing to say the guy Akula0083, you will feel very uncomfortable with words, writing, images, showing that everyone despised and not the author's sympathy with nick Akula0083 sharks, small example here: (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134551-akula0083-obshhaya-tema-1.html?start=1188) :)
TO me it seems the people that have these are looking for the money only. Look at where they are usually and their circumstances. Some are con artists I would wager others are just greedy and others are yet again selfish.
I agree if he has a working design he should be selling kits or completed units at reasonable prices. the real issue is TPTB will stop this in short order since this will impact their power base. It is better to do it locally or by word of mouth to keep it quiet until you have mass. Then you have a fighting chance. But this way makes it more expensive than it should be due to the hand built nature of such arrangements.
Sorry, I can't bear to read all 87 pages of this (only got up to 9, and back to 82). Quick questions
1) noone had success, right?
2) Is there any video/pictures of this other than the schematic? I search back through akulavids, and saw nothing with such a big heatsink and an E core...
3) Anyone figure out the backwards diode?
Some notes
melnichenko gapped transformer operation, right?
The only potential return path to ground is the single foil winding (aka tesla radiant energy pickup).
I guess the diode isn't backwards...
Falstad Sim (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+5.0E-6+1.3241202019156522+43+5.0+50%0Ag+176+304+176+320+0%0AR+128+144+80+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+256+304+320+304+0%0Aw+320+304+416+304+0%0At+224+208+272+208+0+1+-4.962726553065343+0.0985257571604348+100.0%0As+176+208+208+208+0+1+false%0Aw+224+208+208+208+0%0AT+272+96+336+144+0+0.1+2.0+0.27587567761660226+0.10670365376945679+0.999%0Aw+272+144+272+192+0%0Aw+256+304+256+288+0%0Aw+256+288+272+288+0%0Aw+272+288+272+224+0%0Ad+272+192+336+192+1+0.805904783%0Ac+336+192+336+240+0+0.0021999999999999997+4.287542648573144%0Aw+320+304+320+288+0%0Aw+320+288+336+288+0%0Aw+336+288+336+240+0%0Ac+240+96+240+144+0+0.0022+4.555263785580094%0Aw+240+144+240+288+0%0Aw+240+288+256+288+0%0Ar+272+96+240+96+0+0.22%0Aw+176+96+240+96+0%0Aw+240+96+240+64+0%0Aw+240+64+272+64+0%0Ar+272+64+320+64+0+1.0%0Aw+320+64+384+64+0%0Aw+384+96+384+64+0%0Aw+432+144+432+192+0%0Ad+400+192+432+192+1+0.805904783%0Aw+336+192+400+192+0%0Aw+400+192+400+224+0%0Ar+400+224+432+224+0+430000.0%0Aw+400+224+400+256+0%0Ac+400+256+432+256+0+1.0E-10+0.7499617058920922%0Aw+432+256+432+224+0%0Aw+432+192+432+224+0%0Aw+400+192+400+64+0%0Aw+400+64+480+64+0%0A162+480+64+480+112+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+480+112+480+160+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+480+160+480+208+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+480+208+480+256+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+480+256+480+304+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+528+256+528+304+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+528+208+528+256+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+528+160+528+208+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+528+112+528+160+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+528+64+528+112+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0Aw+480+64+528+64+0%0Aw+480+304+528+304+0%0Aw+528+304+528+336+0%0Ac+528+336+528+368+0+1.0E-5+0.3213718581481829%0Aw+528+368+528+400+0%0Aw+528+400+432+400+0%0Aw+432+400+432+304+0%0Aw+416+304+432+304+0%0Aw+528+336+496+336+0%0Ar+496+336+496+368+0+1.0%0Aw+528+368+496+368+0%0Aw+384+96+336+144+0%0Aw+336+96+432+144+0%0As+128+144+128+96+0+0+false%0As+176+304+224+304+0+0+false%0Aw+480+64+448+128+0%0Aw+448+128+448+208+0%0Aw+448+208+480+208+0%0Aw+528+208+560+208+0%0Aw+560+208+560+96+0%0Aw+560+96+528+64+0%0Aw+176+96+208+128+0%0Aw+208+128+208+160+0%0Aw+208+160+176+208+0%0Ad+128+96+176+96+1+0.805904783%0Ad+256+304+224+304+1+0.805904783%0Ao+8+64+0+35+80.0+3.2+0+-1%0Ao+29+64+0+291+10.0+1.6+1+-1%0Ao+59+64+0+35+40.0+0.8+2+-1%0Ao+36+64+0+35+10.0+1.6+3+-1%0Ao+49+64+0+35+5.0+0.4+4+-1%0Ao+21+64+0+291+40.0+6553.6+5+-1%0Ao+37+64+0+33+5.0+1.6+6+-1%0A)
Just closing power and ground and then opening power then opening ground makes the LEDs light (forever)
It's obviously broken; but it doesn't fault. (wasn't broken when I had a 2.2k farad cap... had a typo... typed 2200 with no suffix when I created it... now that it's fixed it fails miserably when isolated from power)
(Edit: Revised again to include diodes... nearly functions now... )
LOL when the transistor switch closes, it generated 1,500,000GA (giga amps)
*sigh*
have to wait for tuesday to have some parts.
Hmm I guess the mosfet has a body diode, and that is a return path to ground.
TL494; maybe I don't understand comparitors, but shouldn't the signal likely to be high be on the + pin? The source of 15 (in2+) is the green rectangle.... and then 16 (in2-) is ground....
Second; this looks like a few incarnations of akula devices...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFgr9eu7bA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFgr9eu7bA)
Not this device... chip is only 14pin on first one...
Looks like the version 4 (attached, cut from schematic)
It is very interesting for me, that it requires heatsink. I guess there is cca 1mA current.
Where is a ferromagnetic core in the video? It seems it is just air core.
There is quite big capacitor and again runtime test is nowhere.
Quote from: pavqw on July 27, 2014, 10:05:00 AM
It is very interesting for me, that it requires heatsink. I guess there is cca 1mA current.
Where is a ferromagnetic core in the video? It seems it is just air core.
There is quite big capacitor and again runtime test is nowhere.
the ferrite core is in the first part of the video 80% of it is the TPU one.
Are there any videos where we can see the device actually being tuned into working? I mean something like I've shown: the device isn't doing anything, the LEDs are dark, then one or more controls is carefully manipulated and the LEDs start glowing dimly at first, get fully bright then dim out again as the tuning point is reached and passed, then the LEDs become fully bright again when the knob or whatever is tuned back into the sweet spot.
Handing the functioning device around the room is not convincing without a tuning demonstration: "Here you go Yuki, but whatever you do don't touch this potentiometer or it will stop working." (The button battery is concealed in the pot case.) And of course, even if a tuning demo is done to rule out the presence of a battery inside the potentiometer case, there could still be batteries inside the big capacitor case, or the device could even be picking up the power from the big radio station just down the street.
Really, since it's easy to take apart a big electrolytic cap and stuff a bunch of button batteries inside, the only way to tell if these devices are fake or not is for Akula/Wesley/Ruslan/Daly or whomever, to send one that is known to "work" to a trusted third party for complete disassembly, examination of all components, and reassembly back into a working state. And we all know that is not going to happen.
(The only way, I mean, other than replicating them according to instructions and finding that they don't work after all unless Akula builds them.)
I agree that most all these replications of supposed self runner are still not showing USEABLE light output. But, a simple test of shorting out the caps, and retesting them for voltage from hidden batteries, or other such hidden sources, is not hard to do.
As more and more of these devices are replicated, it's only a matter of time before some will be available for sale, even cheaper than what we can built it ourselves.
Garden lights are the best example, of self runners, at the cost of what just buying the battery, and solar cell would cost us.
Time will tell.
.
Hello guys,i was working in russia for two years...Roman karnouhov has its own firm.He can order custom ferrite cores in factory,by components,barium,stroncium,etc,etc....They resonate at low frequency, in khz range.Here in Serbia i tried manny corres,lowest ferromagnetic resonance was 2.2,2.4 mhz.Therefore we have problem in replicating this devices.
attached a question I recreated the circuit but will not work if I start this tork these 3 amps too high current
what am I doing wrong?
Quote from: willz on February 03, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
Hello guys,i was working in russia for two years...Roman karnouhov has its own firm.He can order custom ferrite cores in factory,by components,barium,stroncium,etc,etc....They resonate at low frequency, in khz range.Here in Serbia i tried manny corres,lowest ferromagnetic resonance was 2.2,2.4 mhz.Therefore we have problem in replicating this devices.
po svim youtube filmovima se vidi obicna jezgra od tv visokonaponskog trafa-zasto mislis da je to posebno izradjeno po narudzbi?
Roman Karnouhov aka Akula work in NRC "Kurchatov Institute" on tenth millions bucks equipment.
NRC - Nuclear Research Center !!
This info is for those who suspect how he easy came to OU breakthrough. :D
Well maybe not so easy but he got it.
...
If you want to repeat Akula's work read this and keep in your mind these simple facts !!
Err.correction: Rule 3. L2-C4 HF pulse modulation of NF pulse trains !!
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interesting here is tunning resonance-as showed in video. Question is how?- there is not any trimmer pot or capacitor. -as per drawing. So how he change frequency?
Quote from: eugene900 on April 02, 2015, 04:45:54 AM
interesting here is tunning resonance-as showed in video. Question is how?- there is not any trimmer pot or capacitor. -as per drawing. So how he change frequency?
Because, that is joke, I think.
What kind of resonance is supposed to be responsible for the OU? Ferromagnetic resonance requires magnets ,so it can't be that.
Quote from: pomodoro on April 02, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
What kind of resonance is supposed to be responsible for the OU? Ferromagnetic resonance requires magnets ,so it can't be that.
The electromagnets separated by phase in AC signal can play their role as well... Also in case of akula the principle of train pulses with packets of ferroresonant frequency can play role for making such thing.
Quote from: T-1000 on April 02, 2015, 09:54:37 AM
The electromagnets separated by phase in AC signal can play their role as well... Also in case of akula the principle of train pulses with packets of ferroresonant frequency can play role for making such thing.
I'm asking if this so called 'ferromagnetic resonance' in the a kula devices is the classical one requiring the Zeeman effect to work or has he ripped off the term and used it for some new discovery of his.
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 02, 2015, 01:10:18 AM
Посты inogda1 - -bronepoezd-obekt-013b-fonarik :D
Фонарик Бронепоезда !!
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Well, I must say, I'm impressed!
"Objekt 013b"... I've started making the PC board for it, and I have all the other parts on hand. Except for the C-cores...
Do you think a toroid would work instead? ;)
Are the "330" capacitors 330 pF? I am assuming they are, from the small size. What is the Diode D1? Looks like maybe a small Schottky like 1n5711?
Quote from: eugene900 on April 02, 2015, 04:45:54 AM
interesting here is tunning resonance-as showed in video. Question is how?- there is not any trimmer pot or capacitor. -as per drawing. So how he change frequency?
Turn count and/or capacitor value C3.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 02, 2015, 02:09:55 PM
Well, I must say, I'm impressed!
"Objekt 013b"... I've started making the PC board for it, and I have all the other parts on hand. Except for the C-cores...
Do you think a toroid would work instead? ;)
Are the "330" capacitors 330 pF? I am assuming they are, from the small size. What is the Diode D1? Looks like maybe a small Schottky like 1n5711?
Good Day TK
This looks very similar to the device that Delemort made last year sometime using the same MC34063 chip.
He used a pot type core, so maybe that could be substituted? I guess the $100.00 question is what type of core material is it? ( assuming it's not an April fools joke)
Super simple topology looks like super critical tuning to me...............
The color of the diode almost looks like a *diac*, but that would be too high a voltage range for this design.
take care, peace
lost_bro
which wire thickness in mm and R1 info please?
R1 is one ohm, according to the schematic.
A ceramic capacitor marked "330" is usually 33 pF, so that's what I used in my build. I could also try 330 pF if I can find any in my box of goodies.
I used a flyback transformer core and wound the same number of turns as indicated on the schematic, and I used blue LEDs because I'm all out of white ones. I used 1n5817 Schottky for D1.
It works just the same as what is shown in the video... except that it does not keep running when battery is disconnected. Awww.... what a surprise.
I am also getting two cycles of "ring" for each output pulse from the 34063 chip and I _think_ that the video is only showing one, so this probably means I still need to "tune" something. But the lights dim slightly when I select the "on" position of the switch, just as shown in the video. I'll show waveforms later on. I'm surprised at the peak voltages I'm seeing, over 55 volt peaks on the primary side when 9V input is used.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 02, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
R1 is one ohm, according to the schematic.
A ceramic capacitor marked "330" is usually 33 pF, so that's what I used in my build. I could also try 330 pF if I can find any in my box of goodies.
I used a flyback transformer core and wound the same number of turns as indicated on the schematic, and I used blue LEDs because I'm all out of white ones. I used 1n5817 Schottky for D1.
It works just the same as what is shown in the video... except that it does not keep running when battery is disconnected. Awww.... what a surprise.
I am also getting two cycles of "ring" for each output pulse from the 34063 chip and I _think_ that the video is only showing one, so this probably means I still need to "tune" something. But the lights dim slightly when I select the "on" position of the switch, just as shown in the video. I'll show waveforms later on. I'm surprised at the peak voltages I'm seeing, over 55 volt peaks on the primary side when 9V input is used.
hi Tinselkoala,
There is a small problem with
1n5817 rated 20volts if the peaks is hovering somewhere below
100volts.Maybe a UF series diodes of around 100volts ...200volts rating would solve the problem of ou if your lucky on a Good Friday.
Let's hope it was not a Russian version of
"DR Lirpa Sloof"
Try tuning by varying the gap ever so slightly with shims while observing scope.
330 pF would probably be the correct value for C1 and C2.
Try a little bit of biasing with a PM.
Regards, Vortex1 / ION
Quote from: magpwr on April 02, 2015, 08:54:38 PM
hi Tinselkoala,
There is a small problem with 1n5817 rated 20volts if the peaks is hovering somewhere below 100volts.
Maybe a UF series diodes of around 100volts ...200volts rating would solve the problem of ou if your lucky on a Good Friday.
Let's hope it was not a Russian version of "DR Lirpa Sloof"
Heh... I think that Dr. Lirpa Sloof has been the mentor of these folks for quite some time...
Yes, I thought of that too. So I changed the diode to UF4001. The only change I can see so far is indicated by the circle on the scopeshot below.
Quote from: Vortex1 on April 02, 2015, 10:08:07 PM
Try tuning by varying the gap ever so slightly with shims while observing scope.
The above shots are done with no gap, clean faces in contact, core halves squeezed together with rubber band.
For the TestPoint 1 trace, as I increase the gap the voltage goes up, to a maximum of about 90 volts in the first peak, at about 1.6 mm gap. I'm just putting shims in on the "round" side of the flyback core and letting the rubber band pull the halves together, so the "square" side is still in contact.
This happens without any observable change in brightness of the LEDs with S1 "on" but _reduces_ brightness when S2 is "off". There is very little change in frequency of either the main pulsation or the double-peaks.
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330 pF would probably be the correct value for C1 and C2.
Try a little bit of biasing with a PM.
Regards, Vortex1 / ION
I'll change the capacitors for the next tests.
Bringing a strong magnet into contact with the core, in combination with 1.6 mm spacer, has a pretty strong effect on the double-peaks, turning them into a single peak. Max voltage (90 v) and main pulse frequency are about the same as without the magnet. The LEDs are visibly dimmer when I do this.
Still no tendency to keep on running when power is removed, though. :'(
thank you for sharing this with us
You're welcome.
Well. Going back to no spacer in the core:
Capacitors marked "330" are 33 pF. But just in case 330 pF is meant.... I did some experimentation with 330 pF. Changing C2 to 330 pF didn't have much effect except raised the peak voltage at Testpoint 1 a bit. Changing C1 to 330 pF made a big difference, slowing the main pulse down and other waveform effects. By playing with core spacing I was able to get a single peak within the main pulse, similar to what the video shows.
BUT... Fooling around in this mode I have managed to blow 6 LEDs and 2 MC34063 chips, and I don't have any more spare chips, so I changed back to 33 pF for both capacitors. The chips and LEDs seem to blow when switching S1 from "off" to "on" while power is applied, or just after running with switch "off", removing power and switching "on".
With 33 pF as C2 and C1: with S1 "off", applying 8.7 V power lights the LEDs well. Then when switching S1 "on" with power applied, the LEDs dim a bit. Removing power, they go out. If power is removed when S1 is "off", LEDs go out. Then switching S1 "on" makes the LEDs flash briefly and brightly once, as C3 discharges.
With 330 pF as C2 and C1, behaviour is similar except that when S1 is switched from "off" to "on" LEDs and chips tend to blow.
I'm going to try using a higher capacitance value for C3 tomorrow, if I can find some spare MC34063 chips at the dollar store. The LEDs I'm using are from a very cheapo "christmas light" string, I have a lot of them and they are really poor quality so I don't mind blowing them. Blowing the chip is a drag though.
I'm sure that the Eastern watchers are very amused by my efforts. ???
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 02, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
Turn count and/or capacitor value C3.
On video you can see about 630khz resonant frequency.-(that could be harmonics)
Btw Your primary coil is not litz wire as in original video-don't know if is that any difference or no?
However here in this oscillator is one frequency x .
Somewhere on 3v thred was user avalon post test with 2 frequencies and get "fero-resonance"
I try -test- coil from dual tl494 experiment with 2 signal generators with test range 0-2Mhz-and nothing.
Best result (highes voltage) of mixing was nothing near avalon experiment.
Mc34063 50pcs ordered so will be possible to burn something :-))
wire is litz wire, capacitor 330пФ (330pf) p=pico.
You will get nothing untill you don't find ferro-resonance for ferrite.
Ferrites are like a women - every one need a "key" :D
Hint: Take care about "winding directions" as i said in my previous posts. Flip ferrite halves. Do experiments don't wait "key in hands"
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Hey eugene900 - Do i see newest upgraded Rigol DS1054Z or is it Mirage ?? ;D
Hi Enjoykin,
Ferrite cores in the image above can be found or purchased from? You can tell measurements Kohm / cm on a clean surface of the core. . . this is just a little comparison, the core that I'm there. . .
Thanks
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 07:28:21 AM
wire is litz wire, capacitor 330пФ (330pf) p=pico.
You will get nothing untill you don't find ferro-resonance for ferrite.
Ferrites are like a women - every one need a "key" :D
Hint: Take care about "winding directions" as i said in my previous posts. Flip ferrite halves. Do experiments don't wait "key in hands"
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Hey eugene900 - Do i see newest upgraded Rigol DS1054Z or is it Mirage ?? ;D
@Enjoykin:
Are you absolutely sure about that?
It is definitely true that standard markings for ceramic capacitors use the last digit as the exponent.
So capacitors marked "330" are 33 pF.
That is, 33 x 10
0 = 33 pF
"331" means 330 pF, that is 33 x 10
1 = 330 pF
"332" is 3.3 nanoFarad, that is 33 x 10
2 = 3300 pf or 3.3 nF, etc.
Do you have any evidence for the "330 pF" value of those capacitors?
@eugene900:
Your scope isn't triggering properly! And you can save a screenshot to a USB thumbdrive in the front jack simply by pressing the "print" button at the top right...
Quote from: eugene900 on April 03, 2015, 04:48:37 AM
On video you can see about 630khz resonant frequency.-(that could be harmonics)
Yes, roughly. See the scopeshot from the video below. I make it about 615 kHz or so. Odd, isn't it? The scope is indicating a wrong value for the frequency displayed. (The video is a prime example of what I call "scope abuse", by the way.) This is the primary pulsation of the MC34063 chip, I think. A harmonic? Maybe...
My own build is pulsing at about 215 kHz with the 33 pF capacitors and the 220 uF electrolytic, using the same number of turns listed on the schematic. Odd, isn't it?
QuoteBtw Your primary coil is not litz wire as in original video-don't know if is that any difference or no?
Ah, I didn't notice that he used Litz wire. I have some but it's a bit smaller than what is in the video.
Does it make a difference or no? Well, there are any number of things that could "make a difference" to make any replication not work as a self-runner. It is up to the person claiming to have a self-runner to show that there is some difference: Compare Litz wire and ordinary magnet wire, all other variables kept the same, and show some difference in performance if there is any. Since my build doesn't self-run, it's easy to wave your hands about and say "well, he didn't use Litz wire, he didn't use a mystery ferrite core, he did his build at night on Thursday and wasn't holding his mouth right, so no wonder it doesn't work." All of which without any evidence from the original claimant that any of those things actually do make a difference. There are literally thousands of "third variables" that can be blamed for our replications not self-running... thickness of PC board, latitude of location, atmospheric pressure, exact ferrite dimensions, composition, aging.... it is always something. Send a working self-running unit to me, and I will explore the problem space thoroughly and rule out possible third variable problems. Otherwise.... good luck.
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However here in this oscillator is one frequency x .
Somewhere on 3v thred was user avalon post test with 2 frequencies and get "fero-resonance"
I try -test- coil from dual tl494 experiment with 2 signal generators with test range 0-2Mhz-and nothing.
Best result (highes voltage) of mixing was nothing near avalon experiment.
Mc34063 50pcs ordered so will be possible to burn something :-))
I ordered 10 chips for about 3 dollars but they won't be here for another week or 10 days. Meanwhile I can get them for 1.00 each at the dollar store, inside a "usb phone charger cigarette lighter plug" thing.
I like your oscillator!
Quote from: havuhung on April 03, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Hi Enjoykin,
Ferrite cores in the image above can be found or purchased from? You can tell measurements Kohm / cm on a clean surface of the core. . . this is just a little comparison, the core that I'm there. . .
Thanks
Hi havuhung. :D
Ferrite cores can't be purchased from nowhere !! It's old П-type Soviet Ferrite.
Measurements absolutely aren't important to you. Every Ferrite core will work when is perfectly tunned. Internal structure of Ferrite is what is really important - not dimensions.
Try old Ferrites from old TV CRT monitors, old TVs,, from old PS or microwave ovens. !!
OK, so I found some heavy Litz wire on an inductor from an old CRT TV set, and so I used it to rewind my "primary". So that takes care of that.
And... it did make some difference in the waveforms. I get higher voltage peaks now, and some little differences in shape and frequency. I also discovered something very significant... and I'm now able to reproduce the performance in the video, keeping the LEDs lit with no battery connected to the circuit.
No tiny wires, no concealed battery connected to the circuit, none of that. But the Objekt is NOT a self-runner. There is a secret...
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 03, 2015, 12:42:42 PM
No tiny wires, no concealed battery connected to the circuit, none of that. But the Objekt is NOT a self-runner. There is a secret...
Hi TK. I guess in your case you are using something like a tesla coil to wirelessly power it?
All the best..
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 03, 2015, 10:25:53 AM
@Enjoykin:
Are you absolutely sure about that?
It is definitely true that standard markings for ceramic capacitors use the last digit as the exponent.
So capacitors marked "330" are 33 pF.
That is, 33 x 100 = 33 pF
"331" means 330 pF, that is 33 x 101 = 330 pF
"332" is 3.3 nanoFarad, that is 33 x 102 = 3300 pf or 3.3 nF, etc.
Do you have any evidence for the "330 pF" value of those capacitors?
Hi TinselKoala
I know perfectly markings of Russian and Americans standars of electronic components. :D
About cap.value. It is strictly dependant on particular ferrite. If you tune cap.value exactly at Ferro-resonant points of one ferrite - it will not work on other ferrite unless you find exactly right value.
Put variable capacitor/s in parallel to fixed one and adjust untill you get self-runner. If you know electronics excellent you can do the same with voltage controlled capacitors - varators.
About Litz wire. Make own litz wire. all you need is Electric Screwdriver and bunch of enamelled magnet wires - for example 0.25 mm
2.
conclusion:
As i said in my earlier posts - circuits are very simple but extremely difficult at tunning. Ferrite need precise PCM modulation both LF and HF freq. with right ammount od Duty Cycle for each. All these parameters need to be found experimentally. Because that i clearly said everybody - don't try this builds if you haven't 2 channel oscillograf and 2 signal generators. And lot of nervs. :)
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
conclusion:
As i said in my earlier posts - circuits are very simple but extremely difficult at tunning. Ferrite need precise PCM modulation both NF and HF freq. with right ammount od Duty Cycle for each.
Hi Enjoykin. What do you mean by 'NF'? HF is usually used for 'high frequency', but I don't
know what you mean by 'NF'.
All the best...
низкая частота = Low frequency LF !! :)
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
низкая частота = Low frequency LF !! :)
Thanks Enjoykin.
All the best...
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 07:28:21 AM
wire is litz wire, capacitor 330пФ (330pf) p=pico.
Hey eugene900 - Do i see newest upgraded Rigol DS1054Z or is it Mirage ?? ;D
yes new rigol1054z upgraded to 100Mhz :)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 03, 2015, 10:25:53 AM
@eugene900:
Your scope isn't triggering properly! And you can save a screenshot to a USB thumbdrive in the front jack simply by pressing the "print" button at the top right...
ok ill tr next time.
If you make working without batery but say there is a secret -so what is secret?
Quote from: eugene900 on April 03, 2015, 03:09:17 PM
yes new rigol1054z upgraded to 100Mhz :)
Perfect 4-channel machine from China with 30 000 waveform/sek and all rail protocols decoded!!
Reg.
enjoykin
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 03, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
Hi TinselKoala
I know perfectly markings of Russian and Americans standars of electronic components. :D
Good. Others may not know, though, and you can believe me when I tell you that people have made this kind of mistake-- many times-- on this forum before. As I said before, do you have any confirmation that the capacitors are in fact 330 pF? Can you show the actual markings on the capacitors, or a measurement with a meter? The LariMan circuit is running at a _higher_ frequency with the installed capacitors than mine is with my known 33 pF caps.... does this not seem strange to you? Either his ferrite produces much less inductance/turns than mine, or his capacitors are small, or both.... yes?
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About cap.value. It is strictly dependant on particular ferrite. If you tune cap.value exactly at Ferro-resonant points of one ferrite - it will not work on other ferrite unless you find exactly right value.
Put variable capacitor/s in parallel to fixed one and adjust untill you get self-runner. If you know electronics excellent you can do the same with voltage controlled capacitors - varators.
There are no variable caps or varators on Lari-Man's circuit. Do you think he took a bunch of capacitors and just tried them all until he found the "right" value, or made many experiments taking turns off or adding turns to the coils, to get the "exactly right" value?
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About Litz wire. Make own litz wire. all you need is Electric Screwdriver and bunch of enamelled magnet wires - for example 0.25 mm2.
I know perfectly constructions of home-made Litz wire! Such wire that I have made can be seen in some of my videos. However it's easier to get it simply by stripping some off of all these otherwise useless inductors removed from old TV and CRT monitor chassis, as I have done for my Objekt. :D
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conclusion:
As i said in my earlier posts - circuits are very simple but extremely difficult at tunning. Ferrite need precise PCM modulation both LF and HF freq. with right ammount od Duty Cycle for each. All these parameters need to be found experimentally. Because that i clearly said everybody - don't try this builds if you haven't 2 channel oscillograf and 2 signal generators. And lot of nervs. :)
And yet... there is no evidence of such modulation in the Lari-Man scopeshots. He displays a single frequency with some jitter (when he manages actually to get a relatively stable display on his scope.) There may be two different frequency sources (the resonance of the coils, and the pulse frequency of the MC34063 converter chip) but they are clearly synchronized at a 1:1 ratio in the video. I've seen this same synchronization at certain settings of ferrite gap and external magnet bias in my own Object013b apparatus... but it still didn't "run itself". I've also duplicated some other circuits using this chip, right down to the dual-frequency PCM or "burst oscillation" behaviour, and they still don't "run themselves". For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAc7kDY4-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAc7kDY4-w)
You've made a lot of statements that make it sound like you know how to achieve the self-running. Where's your evidence, though? Are you the originator of this circuit, the "Lari-Man" who posted the video? If not, do you have some self-running circuits of your own that you can show us? Some kind of actual empirical evidence for what you are saying? As I hope you can see, I show my work -- most of it, anyway ;) -- and I'm not afraid to perform actual experiments to support or test my opinions and my statements.
Quote from: eugene900 on April 03, 2015, 03:12:39 PM
ok ill tr next time.
If you make working without batery but say there is a secret -so what is secret?
Careful tuning, just as Enjoykin says. But tuning to what, exactly?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 03, 2015, 12:42:42 PM
OK, so I found some heavy Litz wire on an inductor from an old CRT TV set, and so I used it to rewind my "primary". So that takes care of that.
And... it did make some difference in the waveforms. I get higher voltage peaks now, and some little differences in shape and frequency. I also discovered something very significant... and I'm now able to reproduce the performance in the video, keeping the LEDs lit with no battery connected to the circuit.
No tiny wires, no concealed battery connected to the circuit, none of that. But the Objekt is NOT a self-runner. There is a secret...
Hi TK, well done! I think the 'secret' might have something to do with a beaker of water and a ring connected to a small light globe that lit up when you dunked it in the beaker?
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 03, 2015, 09:05:17 PM
Careful tuning, just as Enjoykin says. But tuning to what, exactly?
By any chance is his device tuned to a HF induction hotplate cooker under the table?
Is yours tuned to some external source of power oscillator?
My guess is that TK has "tuned" his circuit to a local radio station freq.
Is there a prize for the correct guess?
Bill
Hi @ all my name is Mike and i'm from austria. I didn't found the introduce thread.
I build some Joule Thiefs and a Laser Sabers SJR Looper. I like alternative energy ;)
I would like to build this schematic, that Enjoykin posted.
Best regards,
Mike
Golly... it's so easy to suspect _me_ of tuning to an external power source! Why don't you suspect Lari-Man, or Akula, or Ruslan, of doing the same thing? Since all of their circuits _do_ work as receivers of external power, and Ruslan even works for a commercial FM radio station !!
I changed C2 to 600 pF in order to get rid of the "double (even triple) peak" within the main pulses, lowering the resonant frequency of the primary tank, so now my scopeshot waveforms look almost exactly like Lari-Man's. I left C1 at 33 pF, and also changed the cheapo blue LEDs into even cheaper white ones. (The blue ones were so cheap they kept failing on me.) Here's a couple of photos of the board running on just over 5 V from a dead 9V battery, and the resulting scope trace.
I've also shot a video, which is being processed now and will be uploaded in a few minutes.
(edited to correct capacitor numbers... sorry about that...)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 04, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Golly... it's so easy to suspect _me_ of tuning to an external power source! Why don't you suspect Lari-Man, or Akula, or Ruslan, of doing the same thing? Since all of their circuits _do_ work as receivers of external power, and Ruslan even works for a commercial FM radio station !!
I changed C1 to 600 pF in order to get rid of the "double (even triple) peak" within the main pulses, lowering the resonant frequency of the primary tank, so now my scopeshot waveforms look almost exactly like Lari-Man's. I left C2 at 33 pF, and also changed the cheapo blue LEDs into even cheaper white ones. (The blue ones were so cheap they kept failing on me.) Here's a couple of photos of the board running on just over 5 V from a dead 9V battery, and the resulting scope trace.
I've also shot a video, which is being processed now and will be uploaded in a few minutes.
I have suspected that this was what Akula had been doing from the beginning. I am not familiar with the others you mentioned. Actually, I based this upon your thoughts (long ago) about the freqs being in the range of radio stations. Its either that or Akula is a genius.
So, I suppose this means I do not win a prize then? Not even a cheezeburger?
I look forward to watching your video.
Bill
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefimNEVGsU
According to the video the briefcase with stripes has a coil ...
Coincidence that the image is also on the same case ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x2YfA9LU5s
Lots of people dedicated to confuse.
Quote from: alejandroguille on April 04, 2015, 03:21:39 PM
According to the video the briefcase with stripes has a coil ...
Coincidence that the image is also on the same case ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x2YfA9LU5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x2YfA9LU5s)
Lots of people dedicated to confuse.
If you are confused, perhaps you should examine your assumptions. I seek only to enlighten.
Is it a "coincidence" that the Lari-Man circuit works so well, near my briefcase with stripes? I didn't design the circuit. Perhaps Lari-Man also has a briefcase with stripes underneath his table. Which do you suppose is more likely: He has created a self runner, that no one can replicate even by using the exact circuit and components; OR... he has a briefcase with stripes, and anyone who builds the circuit, and has such a briefcase, can replicate its performance exactly?
I don't see a briefcase with stripes in my current video. Do you?
Ah, the old briefcase with stripes ploy. I have not seen that in years.
But, seriously TK, how did you do this? I strongly suspect that however you did this, Akula did it the same way.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 04, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Ah, the old briefcase with stripes ploy. I have not seen that in years.
But, seriously TK, how did you do this? I strongly suspect that however you did this, Akula did it the same way.
Bill
Suppose somebody shows you a transistor radio, playing music. He tells you that there is a tiny orchestra inside, a bunch of flea musicians, playing tiny little instruments made of twigs and tissue paper, and that's where the music is coming from. You have an identical radio, and it plays the same music, but you know for sure that your radio doesn't have any little flea musicians inside it, because you've taken it apart and looked. Rather, it is picking up a broadcast from the local oldies station where they play Big Band music from the '40s and '50s, and anybody with a similar radio can get the same music.
Does that prove that your friend's radio does not have flea musicians with tiny twig-and-paper instruments inside it? Of course not.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 04, 2015, 04:22:34 PM
Suppose somebody shows you a transistor radio, playing music. He tells you that there is a tiny orchestra inside, a bunch of flea musicians, playing tiny little instruments made of twigs and tissue paper, and that's where the music is coming from. You have an identical radio, and it plays the same music, but you know for sure that your radio doesn't have any little flea musicians inside it. Rather, it is picking up a broadcast from the local oldies station where they play Big Band music from the '40s and '50s.
Does that prove that your friend's radio does not have flea musicians with tiny twig-and-paper instruments inside it? Of course not.
Well, since the unionization of Flea Musicians, I would find it highly unlikely that they would be working in my little radio. Therefore, I would suspect that my radio, and the other fellow's radio, are working in the same, usual manner.
Bill
TK, regarding the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefimNEVGsU
As you turn it upside down and around, so every now and then the LED's go out.
This did not happen in the original version.
Any how, it does show how easily people can be fooled. But then again, our brains are taught to work as they do by experience. They tend to leave out some details but fill them in when required.
Now tell me, who bought 50 of these MC34063 IC's? I think they will be soon for sale .. .. Lesson learned.
So the quest for OU continues .. ..
Quote from: deslomeslager on April 04, 2015, 04:54:21 PM
TK, regarding the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefimNEVGsU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefimNEVGsU)
As you turn it upside down and around, so every now and then the LED's go out.
This did not happen in the original version.
Any how, it does show how easily people can be fooled. But then again, our brains are taught to work as they do by experience. They tend to leave out some details but fill them in when required.
Now tell me, who bought 50 of these MC34063 IC's? I think they will be soon for sale .. .. Lesson learned.
So the quest for OU continues .. ..
Do the lights really go out, or is it an illusion caused by the angle of viewing? No, you are quite right, there is a fraction of a second where the lights do dim.
Do you think perhaps that this could be fixed by _more power_ in the ambient environment, more deliberate tuning, or perhaps just a larger "briefcase with stripes" that was specifically constructed for this demonstration, rather than simply grabbed off the shelf in my laboratory? Let's not forget that I am _not_ trying to fool anyone, I am simply demonstrating an effect. If I were trying to fool you, you can bet a cheezburger that I would not let you see any such clues as "dimming lights" in certain orientations and spacings.
My demonstration should make everyone demand that whoever demonstrates these kinds of circuits must prove that they are not also picking up their power from some radiating source in the nearby environment. It's no coincidence that the circuits make such good receivers; Akula, Ruslan and Lari-Man know exactly what they are doing.
And so do I. And, perhaps, soon so will everyone else who tries to "replicate" their performances. All you need to make _any_ of Akula's or Ruslan's devices "self run" is an appropriate source of radiated power nearby. And/or, of course... some small batteries concealed in various places inside the devices. In the present case no batteries are needed because the thing is a very good receiver just as designed already.
I'm amazed at how cheap these chips are. I almost bought a lot of 50 myself, but I settled on a lot of 10 instead... for $1.67 plus $1.50 shipping from China. So around 32 cents apiece, delivered to my mailbox in a week or 10 days.
Quote from: deslomeslager on April 04, 2015, 04:54:21 PM
Now tell me, who bought 50 of these MC34063 IC's? I think they will be soon for sale .. .. Lesson learned.
So the quest for OU continues .. ..
i am this stupid who buy 50 pcs because 20 pcs was 1,2$ and 50 pcs 1,7$. with free shipping from china of course So i made hard decsizion and invest 0,5$ more for my toys :P
i like all kind of oscillators.At the moment testing oscillator produce some funny wave forms-useful for nothing ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QVfRwE_98
@ TK
thank you for sharing your work
Top job TK, now let's see if your great efforts have any impact on his legions believers!
Quote from: eugene900 on April 05, 2015, 04:18:36 AMi like all kind of oscillators.At the moment testing oscillator produce some funny wave forms-useful for nothing ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QVfRwE_98
Hi eugene900
v=Z8QVfRwE_98 - Private Video !!
Hey TinselKoala
Perfect Unipolar impulses !!
Now imagine them with 50 000 volts amplitude (or much more) and very very short - couple of nano seconds.
What GENIOUS TESLA had made.
And imagine what will be than you strike massive copper conductor with billions of billions such impulses ??
Of course Colorado Springs TT, PURE RADIANT - 5th ELEMENTAL !! ;D
RISE THE WINDS OF ETHER !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pomodoro
Your gonna have a problem with "believers"....
showing that the designs make very good "receivers" is a good exercise .
but that is an attribute which is self evident to the claim.
I have no doubt we could make devices that could scrub all ambient man made energy
from the local environment ,the question remains can we do slow motion lightning harvesting
or other such harvesting, tap into this dark matter or energy which makes up 70 % of the known universe??? and is said to Feed it energy in some way ??????
well we've all seen the lightning, and we all know altitude can be one method for harvesting .
the fellows that figure out how to call the power to a device on the ground [without getting Struck]
will be sure to have more energy than they know what to do with .
so yes we do need a "Very Good receiver"....
with all respect .
Chet K
PS
and just for clarity ,I completely "get" Tinsels Point regarding these type demonstrations
and the need to be much more revealing.... if to be taken seriously.
Quote from: eugene900 on April 05, 2015, 04:18:36 AM
i am this stupid who buy 50 pcs because 20 pcs was 1,2$ and 50 pcs 1,7$. with free shipping from china of course So i made hard decsizion and invest 0,5$ more for my toys :P
i like all kind of oscillators.At the moment testing oscillator produce some funny wave forms-useful for nothing ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QVfRwE_98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8QVfRwE_98)
@ TK
thank you for sharing your work
You're welcome.
I for one would like to see your video. Perhaps you could change it from "private" to "unlisted" so that we can see it... ?
Quote from: pomodoro on April 05, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
Top job TK, now let's see if your great efforts have any impact on his legions believers!
Thanks, I was actually surprised at how well it worked in this "receiver" mode. It's as if it were deliberately designed to work in just this manner. :P
There are still some little discrepancies between his video demonstration and the performance of my system that could be ironed out. Meanwhile, I hope to see other people building and testing. The PCB template makes it very easy (it's even "actual size") and the parts are really cheap.
With enough other people building, maybe someone will discover the right combination to make a true "self runner"... and maybe pigs with wings can actually fly, too. ;)
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 09:07:59 AM
Hey TinselKoala
Perfect Unipolar impulses !!
Now imagine them with 50 000 volts amplitude (or much more) and very very short - couple of nano seconds.
What GENIOUS TESLA had made.
And imagine what will be than you strike massive copper conductor with billions of billions such impulses ??
Of course Colorado Springs TT, PURE RADIANT - 5th ELEMENTAL !! ;D
RISE THE WINDS OF ETHER !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks, yes, you really don't have to tell me about Tesla's genius. Or what is required for "radiant"... that is, HF RF in the case of Tesla coils, magnifying transmitters, etc. I do have some little experience in these matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
Pomodoro
Your gonna have a problem with "believers"....
showing that the designs make very good "receivers" is a good exercise .
but that is an attribute which is self evident to the claim.
Contrariwise... I think that the claimants in question here have been very careful to avoid suggesting that their devices are receiving power from outside somehow. This would be too much of a "hint". Rather, they claim that some magic "ferroresonance" is involved somehow, or that the actual matter of components is being converted to energy, or some such Red Herring claim, to divert your attention away from the fact that the circuits are good EM receivers.
Quote
I have no doubt we could make devices that could scrub all ambient man made energy
from the local environment ,the question remains can we do slow motion lightning harvesting
or other such harvesting, tap into this dark matter or energy which makes up 70 % of the known universe??? and is said to Feed it energy in some way ??? ???
well we've all seen the lightning, and we all know altitude can be one method for harvesting .
the fellows that figure out how to call the power to a device on the ground [without getting Struck]
will be sure to have more energy than they know what to do with .
so yes we do need a "Very Good receiver"....
with all respect .
Chet K
PS
and just for clarity ,I completely "get" Tinsels Point regarding these type demonstrations
and the need to be much more revealing.... if to be taken seriously.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?
--Wm. Shakespeare, Henry IV Act 3 Scene 1
There is only one thing preventing proper evaluation and confirmation of self-running in a device like Objekt013b:
the attitude of the claimant. The thing costs what, five dollars to make? Box it up, send it off to any of a number
of people we can name for proper testing and credible reporting. But you will never see this done by any of the
"usual suspects".
Oh... wait.... it has to be precisely tuned for location. Right. Like it will only work in the laboratory basement
underneath the transmitter room of an FM radio station....
Nice dodge, that.
TK:
You have been talking about this, as if YOU can already light any amount of incandescent bulbs, from some hidden transmitter (of any kind). But, have never, ever SHOWN how this could be done, when there is no such transmitter ANYWHERE close by.
I'm not talking about lighting LEDs, as they can be lit with practically no power, just some fluffy voltage
So, then, can YOU light 5000w worth of INCANDESCENT 1000w bulbs like Kapanadze did, from a radio transmitter station, or hidden Tesla coil, or any other type transmitter, to prove your point. NO???
So, that must prove that it can't be done, right? because you can't do it?
Tesla did say that it could be done, and was working on it, until he was stopped. So, it probably can be done, but only Tesla knew how to do it. Although, I doubt that was how Kapanadze, SR 193, Stepanov, Akula, Ruslan, and others did it, to light their big 1000w incandescent bulbs.
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
I have no doubt we could make devices that could scrub all ambient man made energy
from the local environment ,the question remains can we do slow motion lightning harvesting
or other such harvesting,...
... well we've all seen the lightning, and we all know altitude can be one method for harvesting .
the fellows that figure out how to call the power to a device on the ground [without getting Struck]
will be sure to have more energy than they know what to do with .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34NpyA2OuaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34NpyA2OuaE)
Some folks have figured out how to get lightning to strike when and where they want it...if conditions are right of course. There are several videos on Youtube like this and this one may not be the best...but I think it show a great way to tap into lightning using small model rockets trailing a thin wire on a spool.
Now all they need is a giant supercap to store that energy and then your off to the races.
Bill
I think this video show it even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buSaGIoNXu8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buSaGIoNXu8)
Hey TinselKoala
RIDE THE WINDS OF ETHER - LIKE TESLA DID ;D ;D
https://yadi.sk/i/tAW1jRzofGxiH
https://yadi.sk/i/fGeje8FzfGxgm
https://yadi.sk/i/BbzDwBhxfGxgj
Bill
reminds me of an old joke, and the punch line [spoken with a Kentucky drawl]
is "well Son ..You can't get there from here"..
sorta just as silly as assuming we will never figure out how to get that power over our heads to
do useful work here on the ground...
I was speaking with Grumage a bit ago about this atmospheric harvesting ,he mentioned his wire that
pulled energy from the air ,Tommey Reed also mentioned a similar system [low power tho 6-8V]
well Grum started talking about a fellow that was using Zinc and horseshoe magnets to harvest from the atmosphere ,he was a prisoner at the time ,and they let him out to work on his invention.
which he did...[patented in 1914 I think??]
the conversation progressed to a point where Grum mentioned another man that had taken this device to a 96 watts ??[I think} with a similar zinc and magnets array a few feet square ??.
at ground level.
I am absolutely convinced that we can harvest MUCH more from this Lightning strike potential
which exists all over the planet...
we can definitely "get there from here"
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2015, 02:19:02 PM
Bill
reminds me of an old joke, and the punch line [spoken with a Kentucky drawl]
is "well Son ..You can't get there from here"..
sorta just as silly as assuming we will never figure out how to get that power over our heads to
do useful work here on the ground...
I was speaking with Grumage a bit ago about this atmospheric harvesting ,he mentioned his wire that
pulled energy from the air ,Tommey Reed also mentioned a similar system [low power tho 6-8V]
well Grum started talking about a fellow that was using Zinc and horseshoe magnets to harvest from the atmosphere ,he was a prisoner at the time ,and they let him out to work on his invention.
which he did...[patented in 1914 I think??]
the conversation progressed to a point where Grum mentioned another man that had taken this device to a 96 watts ??[I think} with a similar zinc and magnets array a few feet square ??.
at ground level.
I am absolutely convinced that we can harvest MUCH more from this Lightning strike potential
which exists all over the planet...
we can definitely "get there from here"
Chet K
I think this could be totally viable IF/WHEN we develop a proper storage medium for all of this energy contained in a single lightning bolt. That, to me anyway, would be the key. I believe it to be possible, it will just take a lot of money (of course) and research by many folks.
The first obstacle of harvesting energy from lightning is that you were never going to know where/when it would strike. Those fellows in FL. seem to have solved that for the most part.
The final hurdle will be the storage medium...one that will not explode when connected to this huge burst of energy. Maybe a capacitor as large as the Empire State building? Who knows but, I think it can be done.
Bill
PS When I was in college here in KY, I was actually told that by a guy when I asked directions to a cave I wanted to explore. He said that I had to travel to another town because I could not get there from here.
Funny stuff about Kentucky..I believe that's where I first heard it too, was doing a magnesium lance train derailment repair for CSX on concrete railroad ties ...in a dry county [alcohol outlawed],
a ruff crowd to say the least [Athol or Lee county ??]
"don't take to kindly to NY'ers out that way... ;D
as far as harvesting Lightning.. that's not really what I'm talking about.
getting to that energy prior to it becoming a bolt or harvesting as Tesla had stated
two men working in the field could call the power to them. the wheel work of nature !!
Chet
Quote from: NickZ on April 05, 2015, 11:01:52 AM
TK:
You have been talking about this, as if YOU can already light any amount of incandescent bulbs, from some hidden transmitter (of any kind). But, have never, ever SHOWN how this could be done, when there is no such transmitter ANYWHERE close by.
I'm not talking about lighting LEDs, as they can be lit with practically no power, just some fluffy voltage
So, then, can YOU light 5000w worth of INCANDESCENT 1000w bulbs like Kapanadze did, from a radio transmitter station, or hidden Tesla coil, or any other type transmitter, to prove your point. NO???
So, that must prove that it can't be done, right? because you can't do it?
Tesla did say that it could be done, and was working on it, until he was stopped. So, it probably can be done, but only Tesla knew how to do it. Although, I doubt that was how Kapanadze, SR 193, Stepanov, Akula, Ruslan, and others did it, to light their big 1000w incandescent bulbs.
But I can do that thing. Send me enough money to build the necessary apparatus and I'll be glad to show you how. In fact I have been giving you advice in that direction for quite some time... advice that you evidently ignore. My videos of wirelessly lighting up incandescent bulbs on a small scale are easy to find. With enough funding I can make larger transmitter systems and duplicate any performance of Akula or Ruslan or Kapanadze at will. The difference between me and them is that I don't fool people into giving me money to show them what they want to believe. My small-scale, low power demonstrations are just that: small scale, low power and _repeatable_ by anyone with a few dollars and the knowledge to build them. In stark contrast to the claims of those others. My demos are readily "super-sized" if one wants to spend the money and time to do it.
You talk about "when there is no such transmitter ANYWHERE close by" but that's a strawman and assumes things that are not in evidence, like the absence of such transmitters nearby the demonstrations of Ruslan, Akula, and Kapanadze. You do know, I hope, that Ruslan is associated with a commercial FM radio broadcast station and has access to the transmitter room and antenna structure of that station, don't you? And the higher-powered Incandescent Bulb displays from those people are more likely done with hidden hard-wired connections anyway, not line-cast wireless power, just as you say in your last sentence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
Hey TinselKoala
RIDE THE WINDS OF ETHER - LIKE TESLA DID ;D ;D
https://yadi.sk/i/tAW1jRzofGxiH (https://yadi.sk/i/tAW1jRzofGxiH)
https://yadi.sk/i/fGeje8FzfGxgm (https://yadi.sk/i/fGeje8FzfGxgm)
https://yadi.sk/i/BbzDwBhxfGxgj (https://yadi.sk/i/BbzDwBhxfGxgj)
I prefer to deal in reality, not fantasy.
When you can produce a Komarov etheric lantern that runs itself in "loop mode" I will be happy to evaluate it for you.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 05, 2015, 09:59:34 AM
Thanks, I was actually surprised at how well it worked in this "receiver" mode. It's as if it were deliberately designed to work in just this manner. :P
There are still some little discrepancies between his video demonstration and the performance of my system that could be ironed out. Meanwhile, I hope to see other people building and testing. The PCB template makes it very easy (it's even "actual size") and the parts are really cheap.
With enough other people building, maybe someone will discover the right combination to make a true "self runner"... and maybe pigs with wings can actually fly, too. ;)
TK, here my replication, first power up shows leds brightly on, but they turn of after removing the 9V battery, guess i need some "tuning"
I have some more turns as that was the length of the Litz wire a had (don't want to cut it up), but tried to keep the prim/sec relationship.
I use a diac (only one i found in my junk box) as D1 (like suggested by lost_bro), can change to any diode.
C1/C2 are 220pf, 100pF, 10pF parallel.
Screenshot shows
TP1 (yellow) (referenced to ground)
TP2 (Blue) junction diac/anode Led3 (referenced to ground)
Regards Itsu
Quote from: ramset on April 05, 2015, 02:19:02 PM
Bill
reminds me of an old joke, and the punch line [spoken with a Kentucky drawl]
is "well Son ..You can't get there from here"..
sorta just as silly as assuming we will never figure out how to get that power over our heads to
do useful work here on the ground...
I was speaking with Grumage a bit ago about this atmospheric harvesting ,he mentioned his wire that
pulled energy from the air ,Tommey Reed also mentioned a similar system [low power tho 6-8V]
well Grum started talking about a fellow that was using Zinc and horseshoe magnets to harvest from the atmosphere ,he was a prisoner at the time ,and they let him out to work on his invention.
which he did...[patented in 1914 I think??]
the conversation progressed to a point where Grum mentioned another man that had taken this device to a 96 watts ??[I think} with a similar zinc and magnets array a few feet square ??.
at ground level.
I am absolutely convinced that we can harvest MUCH more from this Lightning strike potential
which exists all over the planet...
we can definitely "get there from here"
Chet K
Dear Chet.
It's been a while since I last visited this thread !! :)
Roy Meyer's Aerial Device.
Roy Meyers was granted UK Patent 1913,01098 in January 1914.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10947-jes-ascanius-radiant-collector.html
Both these devices are well covered in Patrick Kelly's latest updated book Chapter 7 page 8 onward.
Cheers Grum.
@Itsu: yes, your circuit is laid out slightly differently than the PC template showed, but I can tell by the waveforms that it is mostly acting the same way.
When you remove the battery and the lights go out... then you switch the switch and you get a single short bright pulse in the LEDs, yes?
But I'm wondering about your turn count. Why so many?
The yellow image below is my PCB template. I taped a piece of paper to the monitor with the image of the template from the original posting, and marked the holes, then I sketched in the traces, then I mapped the components from the schematic over to the template. Then I taped this template to the foil side of some PCB material and prick-marked the hole locations. Then I took the paper off and drilled the holes with a #58 drill bit on the drill press. Then I drew in the traces on the copper with an ordinary black Sharpie marker. Then I etched the board with ferric chloride solution. It took about an hour to make the board, from start to finish.
This was a lot easier than wiring by hand, I think, and I'm thankful that the original template was posted.
Itsu is the Break down voltage 32 volt ?
@Itsu:
Also, I am using 600pF for C2; I experimented to get this value in order to get rid of the "double peaks" within each main pulsation of the chip. The peaks are caused by the resonant ringing of the primary coil. I think that little spike on your yellow trace is the start of a second cycle of this ringing in your circuit. You might try increasing the C2 value a little bit to see if that makes that little spike go away and gives you a waveform that looks more like that in Lari-Man's video.
I don't know about the diac... I'm using a UF4001 rectifier diode there. The 220 uF capacitor I'm using is only rated 16 volts, and as you can see at your Testpoint on the other side of this diode (the junction of the Anode side of the third LED and of the diode) , the voltage gets pretty high, or rather low (negative) and this diode keeps that negative trough out of the capacitor. On the capacitor side of the diode I see only a straight DC voltage that is well below the 16V rating of my capacitor.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 05, 2015, 04:36:08 PM
I prefer to deal in reality, not fantasy.
When you can produce a Komarov etheric lantern that runs itself in "loop mode" I will be happy to evaluate it for you.
You haven't even watched the videos but you have already made own "fantasy theory".
Funny approch. 8)
BTW if you already have Tesla Transformer you don't need a Katcher to take of power with N.Yablokov assymetirc capacitor.
Take it or leave it - you are on the own. :o
objekt013b - one of Magic words is "GAP" 8)
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
objekt013b - one of Magic words is "GAP" 8)
The other magic word is: Fantasy.
Bill
Hello everyone,
I have spotted the fake just minutes into watching the original video from Lari as from the link as posted by Tinsekoala.
I have even put a comment "hint" in comment just beneath Lari's own comment "Fake".
Sometimes you guys do make my laugh.But the fun stops here since it's Monday blues over here. :D :D
Hey i am doing this so that you guys won't waste a single seconds in this "Russian version of April fool joke" which strangely seems convincing to many.
No further comment to add.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 05, 2015, 05:23:47 PM
@Itsu: yes, your circuit is laid out slightly differently than the PC template showed, but I can tell by the waveforms that it is mostly acting the same way.
When you remove the battery and the lights go out... then you switch the switch and you get a single short bright pulse in the LEDs, yes?
But I'm wondering about your turn count. Why so many?
The yellow image below is my PCB template. I taped a piece of paper to the monitor with the image of the template from the original posting, and marked the holes, then I sketched in the traces, then I mapped the components from the schematic over to the template. Then I taped this template to the foil side of some PCB material and prick-marked the hole locations. Then I took the paper off and drilled the holes with a #58 drill bit on the drill press. Then I drew in the traces on the copper with an ordinary black Sharpie marker. Then I etched the board with ferric chloride solution. It took about an hour to make the board, from start to finish.
This was a lot easier than wiring by hand, I think, and I'm thankful that the original template was posted.
yes, when i switch the switch, i get a single short bright pulse in the LEDs
I had a length of Litz wire which i used as primary, but it is to long for 28 turns and i did not want to cut it up yet, so therefor i used this length which turned out to be 50 turns.
I will look into the PCB making, i do not have the means right now.
Regards Itsu
Quote from: Ed morbus on April 05, 2015, 05:26:47 PM
Itsu is the Break down voltage 32 volt ?
Hi Ed, you mean the break down voltage of the diac? It says C044, so probably 44V?
Regards Itsu
EnJoyKin
are these the Movies that Tinsel didn't watch??
[they won't play for me??]
https://yadi.sk/i/tAW1jRzofGxiH
https://yadi.sk/i/fGeje8FzfGxgm
https://yadi.sk/i/BbzDwBhxfGxgj
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Also you said
Quote
BTW if you already have Tesla Transformer you don't need a Katcher to take of power with N.Yablokov assymetirc capacitor.
EnJoyKin
Tinsel has more Tesla transformers than Tesla had :o
so he needs one of these>>>N.Yablokov assymetirc capacitor.
and some of this >>>>> objekt013b - one of Magic words is "GAP" 8)
some times its not good to be ""you are on the own. ""
when so close to the cigar...
respectfully
Chet
PS
do you need to smash up old Russian Tv's for this too >> N.Yablokov assymetirc capacitor
or is this available to build/purchase elsewhere ?
These we have plenty of >> Gaps ,sometimes its hard to know where to put them
and other particulars ??
you seem like a nice man [not an insult =]
Talking about LED flashlights, they can be very efficient when are in looped mode.
For example, lasersaber also was experimenting with them and he came up with one which draws micro-amps to light up LED - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7D_9Ill2wM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7D_9Ill2wM) with circuit in http://laserhacker.com/?p=420
Also no one is going to make 15+ hours video showing how long they run after initial pulse but these circuits can find their use even if they do not run for ages... ;)
Cheers!
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 05, 2015, 05:34:41 PM
@Itsu:
Also, I am using 600pF for C2; I experimented to get this value in order to get rid of the "double peaks" within each main pulsation of the chip. The peaks are caused by the resonant ringing of the primary coil. I think that little spike on your yellow trace is the start of a second cycle of this ringing in your circuit. You might try increasing the C2 value a little bit to see if that makes that little spike go away and gives you a waveform that looks more like that in Lari-Man's video.
I don't know about the diac... I'm using a UF4001 rectifier diode there. The 220 uF capacitor I'm using is only rated 16 volts, and as you can see at your Testpoint on the other side of this diode (the junction of the Anode side of the third LED and of the diode) , the voltage gets pretty high, or rather low (negative) and this diode keeps that negative trough out of the capacitor. On the capacitor side of the diode I see only a straight DC voltage that is well below the 16V rating of my capacitor.
Ok, i added another 220pF to C2, but still a small second peak was visible.
After adding another 470pF its gone, so i now have about 1nF for C2.
The frequency increased to 77KHz.
Regards itsu
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 05, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
You haven't even watched the videos but you have already made own "fantasy theory".
Funny approch. 8)
BTW if you already have Tesla Transformer you don't need a Katcher to take of power with N.Yablokov assymetirc capacitor.
Take it or leave it - you are on the own. :o
I just love the way people try to tell me what to do and how to do it... when they haven't presented any work of their own that supports their contentions.... while I actually do show my work and my results clearly and (mostly) fully explained.
My theories are not fantasy, they are supported by my own experiments, demonstrations and hundreds of years of experimentation and research by real scientists.
Changing the diac for an 1n4148 diode does not change the signals.
Playing with the gap (piece of paper) introduces oscillations inbetween the pulses (yellow trace)
Regards Itsu
Quote from: magpwr on April 05, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
Hello everyone,
I have spotted the fake just minutes into watching the original video from Lari as from the link as posted by Tinsekoala.
I have even put a comment "hint" in comment just beneath Lari's own comment "Fake".
Sometimes you guys do make my laugh.But the fun stops here since it's Monday blues over here. :D :D
Hey i am doing this so that you guys won't waste a single seconds in this "Russian version of April fool joke" which strangely seems convincing to many.
No further comment to add.
There is a slight difference in the layout of his circuit board, compared to the template which I used to make my board. The routing of the + and - power input leads are slightly different, but electrically the same I think. The result is that his + and - input wires are reversed and are like Itsu's, with + on the right side viewed from the top. Mine follows the template posted by Enjoykin, and so the + is on the left side when viewed from the top.
I'm afraid I don't see what else you might be seeing on the Lari Man circuit board. Please enlighten us! (no pun intended...) ;)
Quote from: magpwr on April 05, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
Hello everyone,
I have spotted the fake just minutes into watching the original video from Lari as from the link as posted by Tinsekoala.
I have even put a comment "hint" in comment just beneath Lari's own comment "Fake".
Sometimes you guys do make my laugh.But the fun stops here since it's Monday blues over here. :D :D
Hey i am doing this so that you guys won't waste a single seconds in this "Russian version of April fool joke" which strangely seems convincing to many.
No further comment to add.
Hello everyone,
Small remade of Arthur Schopenhauer thought by Enjoykin.
All Overunity passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed as nonsence.
Second, it is violently opposed as public enemy (to oil-barons mafia)
Third, it is widely accepted as being self-evident. (everyone know all about)
Arthur Schopenhauer - Enjoykin !! :D
.................................................................
now back life - back to reality
1st. Gorilla Lari is not author of video - not inventor of given device.
2nd. Device was made long before 1st april.
3rd. Never make conclusions while get lack of checked and validated informations.
4th. Go out from delusion circle.
5. Goto 1
No further comment need for normal human mind.
Профиль для lari :D
http://realstrannik.com/forum/user/409-lari.html
Sure, the circuit board is marked "2013" which presumably means the year of making. Funny how these things come and... go, leaving no trace except footprints. Enjoykin, you left out an important part in your Schopenhauer chain: the validation of the idea. It will not proceed to the "accepted as self-evident" stage until it is shown to work as claimed.
@Itsu, have you tried reversing the connections of the secondary (the coil connected to the LEDs)? There is quite a bit of difference in performance and waveforms on my build when these wires are reversed.
Here's an interesting bit: my unit lights the LEDs in both switch positions if I use a 9V battery that has still got 9V on it. But if I use the depleted battery measuring only 5.5 V or so, the LEDs will only light with the switch OFF. However if I remove the diode D1 altogether, the LEDs will light in either switch position using the 5.5 V battery.
Hi,
how is the winding directon for both windings? Do i start
to wind left or right? I would like to build this circuit.
Those UR Ferritcores are not so cheap. Where do you get those?
From old TV's, CRT Monitors? Or should i buy new ones?
Thanks and best regrads,
Mike
TK:
I can't wait to see what you do when you get your new scope. I am assuming that this is a near-field RF-powered demo again. To the dismay of the Tesla fan bois.
It would be cool to make some kind of "RF buster" magic wand device. I figure if it's near-field and long wavelength, then something like a ping-pong bat with a coil of wire around the edge to make a magnetic flux cutter. Perhaps a simple DIP switch where you can select how many turns of the coil you tap into, 1, 2, 4, 8. And perhaps some clips for connecting your choice of cap, and then a place for inserting a load resistor or LED of your choice. Perhaps even a BNC connector to monitor it on a scope.
Then when you do an amazing demo, in a follow-up clip you wave the ping-pong bat around and you can show the LED on the bat being lit at various distances and orientations. If you have a load resistor and have it scoped via the BNC out, then you can probably show a real-time power measurement on the scope also.
The "RF Buster Bat?"
Then you can make an asymmetrical capacitor detector.
MileHigh
P.S.: If the output from the RF Buster Bat could be made to control a voltage-controlled oscillator, a la theremin, then you could do some 'spooky' demos where you 'hear' the effects of the RF in the air.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 06, 2015, 09:56:36 AM
TK:
I can't wait to see what you do when you get your new scope. I am assuming that this is a near-field RF-powered demo again. To the dismay of the Tesla fan bois.
It would be cool to make some kind of "RF buster" magic wand device. I figure if it's near-field and long wavelength, then something like a ping-pong bat with a coil of wire around the edge. Perhaps a simple DIP switch where you can select how many turns of the coil you tap into, 1, 2, 4, 8. And perhaps some clips for connecting your choice of cap, and then a place for inserting a load resistor or LED of your choice. Perhaps even a BNC connector to monitor it on a scope.
Then when you do an amazing demo, in a follow-up clip you wave the ping-pong bat around and you can show the LED on the bat being lit at various distances and orientations. If you have a load resistor and have it scoped via the BNC out, then you can probably show a real-time power measurement on the scope also.
The "RF Buster Bat?"
Then you can make an asymmetrical capacitor detector.
MileHigh
The venerable old Tri-Field Meter works quite well for that sort of thing, and even gives a quantitative output reading. That, and a Spectrum Analyzer, and Bob's yer Uncle.
The new scope is due to arrive Wednesday. Keep fingers crossed!
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 06, 2015, 10:22:32 AM
The venerable old Tri-Field Meter works quite well for that sort of thing, and even gives a quantitative output reading. That, and a Spectrum Analyzer, and Bob's yer Uncle.
The new scope is due to arrive Wednesday. Keep fingers crossed!
Cool, and the tracking number is showing some activity!!!???
He He He HE
Very origina Fantasy Milehigh - Batman RF booster or Conan barbarian flashlight. Funny imagination you have.
SHIELD OBJECT2013 AGAINST RF INTERFERENCE !!
WOOW IT'S STILL WORKING !! :D
Quote from: Enjoykin on April 06, 2015, 10:40:22 AM
He He He HE
Very origina Fantasy Milehigh - Batman RF booster or Conan barbarian flashlight. Funny imagination you have.
SHIELD OBJECT2013 AGAINST RF INTERFERENCE !!
WOOW IT'S STILL WORKING !! :D
Claim without evidence.
(Or a tiny battery buried under all that black electrical tape.)
Your comments would be much better supported if you omitted the apes and movie actors in makeup, and actually posted something significant of your own. I appreciate your posts of the circuit board template and the schematic; without those I would not have bothered to pick this definitely Low Hanging Fruit.
Quote from: MileHigh on April 06, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
Cool, and the tracking number is showing some activity!!!???
Yes, it was last seen early Saturday morning, leaving a suburb of Chicago, heading south.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 06, 2015, 09:06:39 AM
Sure, the circuit board is marked "2013" which presumably means the year of making. Funny how these things come and... go, leaving no trace except footprints. Enjoykin, you left out an important part in your Schopenhauer chain: the validation of the idea. It will not proceed to the "accepted as self-evident" stage until it is shown to work as claimed.
@Itsu, have you tried reversing the connections of the secondary (the coil connected to the LEDs)? There is quite a bit of difference in performance and waveforms on my build when these wires are reversed.
Here's an interesting bit: my unit lights the LEDs in both switch positions if I use a 9V battery that has still got 9V on it. But if I use the depleted battery measuring only 5.5 V or so, the LEDs will only light with the switch OFF. However if I remove the diode D1 altogether, the LEDs will light in either switch position using the 5.5 V battery.
Right, there surely is a difference, leds are on only dimly, and for the waveforms, see the screenshot.
Regards Itsu
Since everyone else has posted pics, I took the liberty to post one of TK himself. 8)
If some members of this forum spent as much time looking for free energy as they do debunking it, we would be home and dry by now.
I object to Kapanadze being lumped with obvious fakers. The only comparison should be with Don Smith.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 06, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
If some members of this forum spent as much time looking for free energy as they do debunking it, we would be home and dry by now.
I object to Kapanadze being lumped with obvious fakers. The only comparison should be with Don Smith.
Strange to compare Kapanadze with Don Smith who is also considered by many to have faked his devices. Its pointless getting upset over opinions as to whether a device is fake or not on the fora, as these differing opinions will continue as they are the essential 'packing posts' on the various threads.
Quote from: Hoppy on April 07, 2015, 03:34:43 AM
Strange to compare Kapanadze with Don Smith who is also considered by many to have faked his devices. Its pointless getting upset over opinions as to whether a device is fake or not on the fora, as these differing opinions will continue as they are the essential 'packing posts' on the various threads.
Not by me.
Nothing strange about it at all.
Kapanadze: "It's so simple you'll laugh"
Don Smith: "It's so simple it's ridiculous."
Now do your own homework.
Quote from: a.king21 on April 07, 2015, 03:46:20 AM
Not by me.
Nothing strange about it at all.
Kapanadze: "It's so simple you'll laugh"
Don Smith: "It's so simple it's ridiculous."
Now do your own homework.
Yep, so simple that its ridiculous that nobody having done their homework has been able to replicate his self-running devices to date. ;)
TK, hope you did not get offended by the pic, its that of James Randi, the greatest debunker of our time. One thing I'd like to know though, is Akula et al making some decent money from investors or just selling parts to hobbyists?
I am very confused where this thread is heading. I hear a lot of bickering in the middle and I just want to see TK and Itsu's work and their results.....
Hi,
how is the winding directon for both windings? Do i start
to wind left or right? I would like to build this circuit.
Those UR Ferritcores are not so cheap. Where do you get those?
From old TV's, CRT Monitors? Or should i buy those ferrites from alibaba
or somewhere else ?
Thanks for your help. I'm really appreciate it. ;)
You can send me PM's me too. ;)
Thanks and best regrads from austria,
Mike
I am working on Akula's free energy transformer setup from his video 00033 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A).
It is finished now and tomorrow I will start testing it, fingers crossed.
Quote from: kEhYo77 on April 08, 2015, 03:21:32 PM
I am working on Akula's free energy transformer setup from his video 00033 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A).
It is finished now and tomorrow I will start testing it, fingers crossed.
could you post complet drawing of circuit ?
It is very simple push-pull based on a TL494 IC.
Then the output goes to 2-channel switching module consisting of optically isolated drivers for mosfet/IGBT.
The rest is clear from the picture. Two tank circuits on the sides and two output coils towards the center with 55W 12V bulbs
and a push-pull exciter winding in the middle.
I will make a complete drawing soon.
Hi all,
this is my first post here. At first I would like to say thank you to all members. I learned so many from your comments in the last two years. I hope my english is not too bad, so that you can understand me.
I have tried to replicate that circuit. On bottom you can see scope shot. no self running in the moment and no second Peak. Scope probe was between ground and point of LED3 / D1. Is that the correct measurement point for Lari-Man's typical signal?
@Tinselkoala: thank you very much for your comments. I have a question about your replication. Do you have any stronger signals or elektrosmog in your laboratory, that is important that circuit can run in self sustaining mode? Is normally elektrosmog from environment enough (radio stations..), that the circuit can run itself for a while?
When switch is closed I get brighter LEDs. I removed 1 ohm resistor and play with a variable resistor, because I had 15-25mA of current.
Have anyone a Idea what I can do, to get a better result? Tommorow I remove breadboard and long wires .Hope it helps a little bit.
Best regards...
Datas:
C1 = 32-33 pF
C2 = 316 pF
Frequency = 204.08 khz (to high?)
28 Turns is litz wire from old TV
66 turns = 1,07mm solid wire
LEDs = cold white 5mm
D1 = 1n4001 (I will change this to UF4001 next days)
Quote from: kEhYo77 on April 08, 2015, 03:21:32 PM
I am working on Akula's free energy transformer setup from his video 00033 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A).
It is finished now and tomorrow I will start testing it, fingers crossed.
Good day kEhTo77
Are those Silver Mica caps on the bridge?
Will be waiting for your test results.
take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: kEhYo77 on April 08, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
It is very simple push-pull based on a TL494 IC.
Then the output goes to 2-channel switching module consisting of optically isolated drivers for mosfet/IGBT.
The rest is clear from the picture. Two tank circuits on the sides and two output coils towards the center with 55W 12V bulbs
and a push-pull exciter winding in the middle.
I will make a complete drawing soon.
thanks for that. But most interesting are transformer data-!
I am sure this will work :)
Still tuning this circuit now and then using 2 variable capacitors (30-340pF) for C1 and c2
I can also add some fixed capacitors, so many combinations are possible, none showed any elongated burning of the leds after removing the 9V battery.
Besides the 2 variable caps, there also is the ferrit gap which can be changed by adding or removing some pieces of paper.
Video which shows flipping signals when slightly tuning the caps here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N1nNVznh5Q&feature=youtu.be
baudirenergie, looking good, guess TinselKoala is busy with his new scope ;D but he will respond to you i am sure.
What you can do is try all sorts of things you can come up with to try to keep those leds on after removing the battery :o
Regards Itsu
Quote from: kEhYo77 on April 08, 2015, 03:21:32 PM
I am working on Akula's free energy transformer setup from his video 00033 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A).
It is finished now and tomorrow I will start testing it, fingers crossed.
so how is testing?
any result?
transformer drawing-data by any chance pls
:)
Quote from: eugene900 on April 15, 2015, 03:51:11 AM
so how is testing?
any result?
transformer drawing-data by any chance pls
:)
Not so good, my assembly is not perfect and I currently have a mismatch between two sides, where one bulb starts glowing
and the other does not. And I think I will have to rewind LC tank coils after adding some shrink tube insulation.
Those LC tanks in Akula video run at more than 1000V AC and my homemade Litz will not handle that at the moment.
When I have something solid I will start a thread and make a video.
Hi fellers had a few problems with the MC34063 I don't think all the devices are the same with this number. made a short video so you can see the wave form and mark space ratio i get with this chip, and any one who says it's the capacitor values knows what they can do ! cus it's not ! I think i will have to try another supplier for this device.
https://plus.google.com/b/112070108712151020176/112070108712151020176/posts/8RG26FrTZ7J?pid=6137673750132029938&oid=112070108712151020176
Quote from: AlienGrey on April 15, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Hi fellers had a few problems with the MC34063 I don't think all the devices are the same with this number. made a short video so you can see the wave form and mark space ratio i get with this chip, and any one who says it's the capacitor values knows what they can do ! cus it's not ! I think i will have to try another supplier for this device.
https://plus.google.com/b/112070108712151020176/112070108712151020176/posts/8RG26FrTZ7J?pid=6137673750132029938&oid=112070108712151020176 (https://plus.google.com/b/112070108712151020176/112070108712151020176/posts/8RG26FrTZ7J?pid=6137673750132029938&oid=112070108712151020176)
Well, it's hard to figure out what's going on from that photo-loop, but one of your scopeshots looks just like what Lari-Man showed in the original video and also tallies with what I finally got to by tuning the C2 cap value. Of course I can't see the frequency you have...
Where did you get your chip? It would be strange if designers couldn't count on chips to perform the same from different manufacturers, but it has been known to happen, I guess. And there are plenty of chip counterfeiters out there.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... somebody asked me about the Litz wire I used. Here is a photo of the wire and the source. It came from a choke that I salvaged from an old CRT monitor or TV circuit board. The wire is 0.67 mm in outside diameter and separates into at least 20 tiny smaller wires (looks like more in the photo because of shadows):
Quote from: baudirenergie on April 08, 2015, 07:01:23 PM
Hi all,
this is my first post here. At first I would like to say thank you to all members. I learned so many from your comments in the last two years. I hope my english is not too bad, so that you can understand me.
I have tried to replicate that circuit. On bottom you can see scope shot. no self running in the moment and no second Peak. Scope probe was between ground and point of LED3 / D1. Is that the correct measurement point for Lari-Man's typical signal?
Yes, that's one of them but not the one that makes the single, positive going peak for me. That TestPoint 1 is Pin 8 of the MC34063 chip where the Primary winding is connected, and the Anode of the LED stack where it connects to the diode is the other one, that shows negative excursions. Your scopeshot from that point (I call TestPoint 2) is quite a bit different from mine at that point. See below where I indicated my TestPoints on the schematic.
Quote
@Tinselkoala: thank you very much for your comments. I have a question about your replication. Do you have any stronger signals or elektrosmog in your laboratory, that is important that circuit can run in self sustaining mode? Is normally elektrosmog from environment enough (radio stations..), that the circuit can run itself for a while?
Yes, I am afraid so. The "elektrosmog" environment during my test video was quite strong and is the key, or "secret" to why my replication works the way it does.
I believe that if your workshop is, say, in the basement of the transmitter room of a powerful FM radio station, your replication might also run in "self-sustaining" mode as long as the transmitter is active.
You could also try looking carefully at that electrolytic capacitor C3.
Quote
When switch is closed I get brighter LEDs. I removed 1 ohm resistor and play with a variable resistor, because I had 15-25mA of current.
Have anyone a Idea what I can do, to get a better result? Tommorow I remove breadboard and long wires .Hope it helps a little bit.
Best regards...
Datas:
C1 = 32-33 pF
C2 = 316 pF
Frequency = 204.08 khz (to high?)
28 Turns is litz wire from old TV
66 turns = 1,07mm solid wire
LEDs = cold white 5mm
D1 = 1n4001 (I will change this to UF4001 next days)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 15, 2015, 03:46:30 PM
Well, it's hard to figure out what's going on from that photo-loop, but one of your scopeshots looks just like what
it's a video... click on it.
Well... I just received my new batch of 10 chips from China. And I can confirm that there are some differences in behaviour when compared to the chip I used for the video demonstration-- even though they all claim to be from the same manufacturer, ON Semiconductor.
The old chip is marked:
34063AP1
XAA
and the third line has a shiny black concave dot marking Pin 1, the ON-in-a-circle logo, and digits 0244
The new chips are marked:
34063AP1
NCCKXNS
and the third line has no black dot, has the ON-in-circle logo (but looks kind of funny) and digits 1236
Both types have the usual edge-notch on the 1-8 pin side. The new ones are much easier to read, the markings are higher contrast.
The new type seems more sensitive to low voltage operation. Sometimes it makes a double-peak waveform at TP 1. Overall so far, I think the new ones work "better", for certain values of "better". At least they light the LEDs at lower input voltages.
good to know. today i receive my 50 pcs bud dont pay atention on marks. when found some free time will produce some " receiver" ;D
@TK
Hi,I got a stable waveform,but the frequency is about 212Khz. I can't increase it to 640Khz . Can you give some suggestion?
Now my parameters are:
C1--33pF
C2--500pF
Primary coil--(20 0.1mm enamelled wire roll up to a Litz wire) * 28
Secondary coil--(0.6mm enamelled wire) * 66
D1--1N4148
LED--White light and diameter is 5mm
I also used a PCB.My waveform as follow:
Oh, my oscilloscope probe is 100:1 .
Best Regards
gpufo
On the video i shared i got the Feq twice that, 460 Khz but I had to use a 10 pf i got my chip a good while ago an ST CHN 063A, I did notice Tinselcoala's litz wire is very fine wire, it might be an idea to get an old relay coil and put a pair of nails in a 1o ft piece of wood one at either end and go up and down till the thickness is about 1 to 1.5 mm thick and use that as the litz, then re try keeping the C on the PCB as low as possible, good luck. mine still doesn't work! I haven't had the time to do the mods yet !
I didn't use the C1, and the highest frequency I can get was about 330Khz . I can't understand why Lari Man can get 640Khz. If the C1 in my system is 33pF, I just can get 212Khz. @TK, How much is your frequency?
Depending on the state of the 9v battery my frequency at TestPoint 1 can vary from 350 to nearly 500 kHz.
OK．Thank you ,TK. Your suggestions are always important and precious. You mean the frequency is depended just on the primary, secondary coils and the C2? Is there some obvious phenomenons in your system when it really works? Just the stable single pulses at the testpoint1? And whether your system always works when the frequency varies between 350khz to 500khz? I'm sorry for so many questions,but I think they are important for fresh man like me :)
Thanks again for your important work and kind guidance.
best regards
gpufo
Hey TK
Congratulatios on new scope ;D
do you manage to upgrade scope by program?
And change cooling fan? - how is result?
Quote from: gpufo on April 20, 2015, 11:18:16 AM
OK．Thank you ,TK. Your suggestions are always important and precious. You mean the frequency is depended just on the primary, secondary coils and the C2? Is there some obvious phenomenons in your system when it really works? Just the stable single pulses at the testpoint1? And whether your system always works when the frequency varies between 350khz to 500khz? I'm sorry for so many questions,but I think they are important for fresh man like me :)
Thanks again for your important work and kind guidance.
best regards
gpufo
I'm sorry, but everything I know about this circuit is from data gathered while it is being powered by the 9V batteries (fresh or mostly discharged) or an external power supply. As far as I can tell, a careful balance needs to be formed by turn count and capacitors, if you want to get to the frequency and wave-shape that are shown in the Lari-Man video. Also, different MC34063 chips from different lots or different manufacturers seem to have different performance in this circuit. I don't believe that the device shown in the Lari-Man video is truly self-sustaining. Mine certainly isn't.
Quote from: eugene900 on April 21, 2015, 01:51:22 AM
Hey TK
Congratulatios on new scope ;D
do you manage to upgrade scope by program?
And change cooling fan? - how is result?
Thank you! It would never have happened without Chet (ramset) doing the legwork and gathering the donations from all the people who contributed, so I thank them all profusely.
Yes, I was able to upgrade the scope to 100 MHz and unlock the other options by using the keygen program as described in the EEVblog forum. But I removed (uninstalled) the upgrade and am now running completely "stock" at 50 MHz bandwidth with no upgrades. I will reinstall the unlocking key at some point... soon.
The fan is not nearly as noisy as I was led to believe. I have not installed the silent fan I ordered. I can't hear the scope's fan over all the other fans, air conditioner, etc running in my lab most of the time. The scope's fan does make a slight running noise but it's not bad at all.
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 21, 2015, 06:09:47 AM
Thank you! It would never have happened without Chet (ramset) doing the legwork and gathering the donations from all the people who contributed, so I thank them all profusely.
Yes, I was able to upgrade the scope to 100 MHz and unlock the other options by using the keygen program as described in the EEVblog forum. But I removed (uninstalled) the upgrade and am now running completely "stock" at 50 MHz bandwidth with no upgrades. I will reinstall the unlocking key at some point... soon.
The fan is not nearly as noisy as I was led to believe. I have not installed the silent fan I ordered. I can't hear the scope's fan over all the other fans, air conditioner, etc running in my lab most of the time. The scope's fan does make a slight running noise but it's not bad at all.
Sometimes, a noisy fan is a good thing. You can be alerted when it stops. A few computers ago, I had a very noisy fan...used it for years...and one day...it occurred to me that the fan was suddenly quiet. I shut down the computer and the fan was seized. I replaced it and was somewhat dismayed that I could not hear the new fan, ha ha. I was overclocking that computer a bit (to 4 gHz) so with no fan, it might have had a melt down.
Bill
Any instruction in winding the core? Perhaps, someone could help me with some links.
Hi @ all,
pursuing this project anyone further?
I want to build this shematic in the afternoon.
Than i'll post my results.
greetz
here are my measurements.
I build it exactly as shematic, only the core is from an old monitor.
For the first measurements looking at the picture.
Then i'll have changed the diode from 1n4007 to a schottky BYV 10-40.
There ist no different between them if i look on the grafics.
I've also changed the capacitor from 220µF to 100 an 1000µF.
There are only very small changes at the voltage.
How can you get more than 400 kHz? The IC operating at max. 100 kHz (datasheet)
I've expanded the shematic at one more TP. This measurepoint is at minus at the schottky diode.
Here is a verygood DC voltage from 17 volts with a very small ripple.
My total current is round about 100 mA. The LED's are very brightly.
Greetz Bobby
These capasitors are 330 pico nano micro Farads?
pF
pico
Ah thanks, picoFarads it is then.
I found it odd it wasn't stated in the schematic.
yes it's pico, but 330 is a capatcity of 33pf. the letter is only for tolerance
Quote from: Bobby256 on May 22, 2015, 03:20:22 AM
yes it's pico, but 330 is a capatcity of 33pf. the letter is only for tolerance
That is confusing!
I understand that 330 on a capasitor means 33 picoFarad because the zero means zero zeros added, so no problems with that.
But in a schematic it should say what it is, so in this case it should read 33p or 33pF,..that is...if what you said is correct.
It could still be 330pF.
It could also be that the maker of the schematic was not aware that the last zero on the capasitor was not a real zero and by that caused confusion.
ok, maybe you are right. but there are only 3 ways: pf, nF, µF ;)
Smoke ring like spinning energy focusing the energy passing through the center moves less restricted, this may account for more kinetic energy and usable as OU or thought of as such. See Stan Deyo's lecture on anti gravity engine for details on the how tos.
This is more easy way ....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qjMRuOSXBo
The multi-filar pancake coil "induces the voltage to the five pickup coils" like the transformers, and i have light for 10 minutes...! (six leds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iefimNEVGsU
see the video from 1:44 to 1:45 min the led is no light when circuits board is turning up said down ;D
Yes it's all a bit of a yoke, if you like time wasting, some times i think it would be more fun if we has a tube with just enough clearance for a magnet to move up and down thus using gravity and, dare i say it 'repulsion' ;) I bet that would generate some free energy. Obviously you would need some specialy wound pick up coil to counteract the lens drag efect.
Quote from: AlienGrey on December 12, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
Yes it's all a bit of a yoke, if you like time wasting, some times i think it would be more fun if we has a tube with just enough clearance for a magnet to move up and down thus using gravity and, dare i say it 'repulsion' ;) I bet that would generate some free energy. Obviously you would need some specialy wound pick up coil to counteract the lens drag efect.
Talking about magnets, Here is my replication of other guy showing magnet in Low potential - going to kinetic - going to higher potential. No extra energy applied. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESkLA7YgyBM
My board is obselete. My Diy! :)
Quote from: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 07:54:55 AM
Your friend knew more than he was telling, bounce the bemf between the two they will drive each other, and pull in extra energy.
One becomes pos charged and one becomes neg charged, they will pull apart the aether and collect energy.
An ionization circuit can be added to pull in some serious power.
Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.
You summarized just everything in a simple lines!!!!!!!!
But how do we really separate the Charges? Are we required to go the way of Don't Smith where he applied 2 diodes and Capacitor by connecting one diode each to the starting leg of each secondary winding and forward that positive output to the positive Point of the Capacitor and thereafter connect the 2 remaining ends to the Negative Point of the Capacitor?
Please check Vladimir Utkin's Publish PDF to get the circuit I am talking of here.
Waiting for your reply.
happy new year guys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w31-dNL2-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-EmnlTHKU
cheers....
gidfactor....
Batteries in the voltmeter. Batteries in the transformer core.
Happy New Year aay?
Not so much.
And a happy new year to you too Matt. :)
Some " intelligence " has recently been disclosed that the cores used were " home spun " ;) A mix of soft and hard ferrites apparently.
Does anyone still have their boards to hand? Movement of the core material, even in the 10's of microns could have some unusual " side effects " manifest.
Another thought that struck me recently, did anyone try putting a bead of Silicone rubber between the core halves, allow to set and test? Remember this one ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPV89JWVdtY
The frequency doubled at a resonant point !! ;)
Cheers Graham.
Quote from: Grumage on January 05, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
And a happy new year to you too Matt. :)
And to you too Grum.
Quote from: Grumage on January 05, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
Some " intelligence " has recently been disclosed that the cores used were " home spun " ;) A mix of soft and hard ferrites apparently.
Does anyone still have their boards to hand?
I do, though I am currently working on a rather complete and unified driver board with voltage and PLL feedback control, based from Stan Meyer's WO9207861A1 Patent. I have already seen some interesting phenomena with the bread-boarded solution, so I'll continue forward with a complete board for testing and distribution if anyone would be interested.
Quote from: Grumage on January 05, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
Movement of the core material, even in the 10's of microns could have some unusual " side effects " manifest.
Another thought that struck me recently, did anyone try putting a bead of Silicone rubber between the core halves, allow to set and test? Remember this one ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPV89JWVdtY
The frequency doubled at a resonant point !! ;)
Frequency doubling... This is an effect Stan Meyer explicitly mentions with his Voltage Intensifier Circuit. We know his core is gapped and we also know the ferrite core material is very fragile (notice the blue tape in the below picture where the core has cracked). Another facet to this mystery is the gap is used for tuning and I suspect (though we don't know this fact) the two core halves may run with some amount of vibration within the bobbins. The assembly doesn't forcefully hold the core halves in-place.
It's certainly interesting how common themes appear between these seemingly diverse devices.
Quote from: Dog-One on January 05, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
Frequency doubling... This is an effect Stan Meyer explicitly mentions with his Voltage Intensifier Circuit. We know his core is gapped
Any time the core is gapped and allowed to move across that gap, the reluctance if that core changes and the inductance of any windings wound on that core changes iproportionally with it.
If the core moves at 2x the resonance frequency of an LC circuit formed by that winding, then the classical parametric excitation occurs in that LC circuit.
I have a PDF that analyzes this in a detail but it is 30MB and thus too large to upload to this forum.
Quote from: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 12:58:23 PM
Dear leonirz.
I wholeheartedly agree, but so little is known about the coil configuration with this one!! At least the transformer for the 30 W version is fairly conventional !!?? But even this may have a special way of winding. Remember the GeoFusion transformer with it's little air gaps ?? I got some strange results by just having a winding placed across the gap !!
Cheers Grum.
Actually, it is quite simple. Looking at the schematic diagram, it is a classic SM TPU. I however, never thought to create the rotating field in that manner though. Simple. Elegant. I like it. Similar to mine, but quite different.
Basically, all his windings are essentially lamp cord. There are two equal length windings that run fully around the TPU from what I see, both in the schematics ([size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGIcT7I7CqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGIcT7I7CqY)[/size][size=78%]) [/size]and in the original unit demonstration video[size=78%] ([/size][size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw)[/size][size=78%]).[/size] In the center of these are four turns wound as collectors, setting the circumference and size of the TPU unit.
I have built and tested so many of these type units over the years it is ridiculous. From the schematic, I also see where I probably went wrong on all of them. Like I said, nice. I was pulsing the wrong freaking coil-set/combinations, among other things. Figures.
@Graham
The 'bucking transformer' was one of the original
"Frequency doublers".
This was taught to us in engineering school
in the late 90's, early 2000's
Today we use IC counters and logic circuits because they
do the job more efficiently
The way it works is when you induce a signal across the two coils
The EMF collides about in the center of the empty part of the
inductor, there at the bottom where there is no coil.
Then goes back in the other direction.
If you used a single pulse you would see the feedback signal
return through the primary.
With constant input signal like you have, what you see is
That tiny ripple appear in spots along the input waveform.
Adding impedances in certain places can bring the return
signal into phase with the primary, so those ripples line up
with the peaks and troughs of the original signal.
Quote from: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 12:01:01 AM
Thanks Nico8k! I believe we can do it. If we all work together!
Welcome to the thread!
I have a friend that has worked on the E Stress... Its concepts in my opinion has merit. My friend was not able to get the E Stress working as it was laid out. There could be something missing that could be the key. I did have a look at it, but was working on other things at the time so could not concentrate too much on it.
Good Luck I hope you get it!
All the Best
Chris
P.S. I am sorry if I miss anyone's post's. I nearly missed this one, so sorry, I don't mean to be rude. E-Mail me or PM me if you want?
P.P.S: I don't use energeticforum anymore since before the Aaron Murakami Scandal.
Hi EMJunkie,
Better late than never with my reply!
I have myself only recently come across the E_Stress Generator. I am curious as to your friend's findings and technique. Looking at the description of the E-Stress generator, it would appear to work. As output is concerned, this might be a matter of either size of the unit or level of pulsing voltage. The key to this operation has features reminisent of Don Smith's approach; that is, high frequency pulses of high voltage and capture of the "E field". Of course, to get Don smith's circuits to work, one has to pay a bit of attention to "Tuning" the apparatus. This I think is the case here. The E-stress unit has to operate as a sort of cavity resonant container. It is, to my mind, a quite elegant use of known techniques in a disciplined and economical design.
I am trying to find time to build one!
Thanks
ourbobby
Quote from: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
Dear All.
I have just finished chatting with T-1000. He passed on this fairly simplified control circuit which might help those, like me, who have a bit less electronic skills.
I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb
Keep on trucking !! :)
Cheers Grum.
Hi All
Did anybody make 30W generator by 555 timer? Help.
I am just finished my scheme and trying to find proper signal and resonance frequency etc. But lost the way...