News
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
lol wow , some one wanna ask this guy here to help get a tpu working ?.
wait for that radio interview
and seek some Indonesian patents
Where can the radio interview be heard?
Hi Jack,
who developed his 3D audio system ?
You said, Steven Mark had no big knowledge about
electronics, but if he himself developed the 3D audio system
you are pretty wrong, because what I can see from his 3D audio patent
that indeed needs very deep knowledge of electronics and oscillator
circuits?
So please let us know.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
radio show
http://www.bbsradio.com/bbs_talk_radio_station1.php
look at
Free Energy Now Sterling D. Allan
The noise always gets louder the closer the completion approaches. 8)
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 17, 2008, 10:30:18 AMThe noise always gets louder the closer the completion approaches. 8)
--giantkiller.
Good observation giantkiller. My thoughts as well.
Take care all.
nap
And this: the Peswiki article mentions the Tesla patent 381,970.
This is what I followed. Though I added more outer control windings for safety. At the time I didn't know how to find this out because of the inexperience of the engery being produced. All I can say is 'Ouch'. The amount of windings I incoporated fell somewhere between extremely dangerous down to null effect. Just hazardous.
So the control winding count from high to low is this:
The GK4, Tesla patent 381970, Tesla patent 568177.
Reference the mention in excerpt #60 of the 381970
Tesla calls the C coils as the secondary. Current!
Look at the low number of M windings 568177 primary. The secondary is voltage!
The wireless patents use the pancakes. A circular, center encroaching magnetic field. Power! The cone was Telsa's favorite shape! The 45 degrees creates a energy ejection wing at the top.
I mentioned this over a year ago. 'If you spread the Tesla patent pictures out in front of you and leave them there, you will see other things not mentioned'. Could just be my Artsy, fartsy pattern based vision. But the puzzle is there. That is how I found the 381970 coil in the 390721 patent. Here is a clue that really struck me was the name 'System of electrical distrubution'. Hellooo?
This 381970 coil that I copied for the GK4 is mentioned in the Peswiki article. Boy, do I feel justified!
Where did I get the iron wire idea from? Telsa patent 381970 Excerpt #55. To the tee, gentlemen! And read Tesla patent 381970 Excerpt #120. READ IT!
Maybe at this time others will understand what I did. Otto did! He showed me the mobius connections the next day after I posted. And he blows sh!t up!
But here is the beauty of using lamp wire. You get 'MANY' low impedance windings with very little effort by winding once. But they all touch! Get over it. Make one. All the individual strands have there own magnetic field.
And the sad part is I made this all public last year. I jumped in without fully understanding it. This is what I have learned. He who really understands what Tesla did understands things now in a different way. But if you don't, the posts of conventional thinking are stuck in the classroom.
The Tesla patent # 381970 diagrams have little twinkly stars in them. What are they?
And read Tesla patent 381970 excerpt #105. The TPU answer again. ;D
Tesla patent 381970, excerpt #20: It results from this that the different electrical phases in the generator are attended by corresponding magnetic changes in the convertor; or, in other words, that as the generator-coils revolve the points of greatest magnetic intensity in the convertor will be progressively shifted or whirled around. Hellooo, again?
--giantkiller. I got to take a break now. This has exhausted me.
p.s. I am not boasting here. I am merely posting it again to drive home a point. The Peswiki article left me with a bad taste in my mouth. But the answer is there and I got a good start to prove it in a round about way. Thats all. The GK4 cost $20.00. Pump it with square waves. I need to send in sine also.
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This could be the most important breakthrough ever. If he spills some more beans it might be enough to stumble on the right design. The heat issue was well known and well suspected as being a slight problem but for practical purposes its not. The units put out so much power they can be rotated out with another and the power dumped to batteries or switched out with another even in the worst case the heat problem can never be solved which is unlikely. We will never know the exact politics that went on all those years ago but rest assured everyone involved was unlikely to be squeaky clean.
We must have this technology. It must be released before we see an economic worldwide meltdown over oil in the next decade or the inventors die off and its lost forever. I know for a fact everyone that worked on this got VERY VERY close. We will kick ourselves when we find its two or three frequencies in a simple tank circuit............ Hang on there its coming!!
@ Stefan: Thanks for providing this forum. I was deeply involved with ARPANet long before the Internet was "invented" by Al Gore, and I'm thrilled to see it being used in this way: From one perspective, this is how it was originally intended to be!
@ Everyone: I'll be listening to the radio show Wednesday as well, but no one should get too excited anticipating Durban's comments. I don't know the gentleman, so I'm not dissing him - it's just that I suspect that he'll talk much but say very little. Tune in, folks...
In the article on PESWiki, he stated that he doesn't know the particulars of the design and that he'd have to invest some serious lab time to figure it out. So, based on that one comment, we all still have plenty of work to do. I've finally decided to quit lurking and join the fray to contribute my dos centavos worth. I hope to be as generous and helpful as the rest of you good people.
This is a capital disclosure and from what little has been said by Mr. Durban, much had been understood.
- If the magnet is a ruse to just hit a reed contact, this confirms batteries in the OTPU, MTPU and LPTU.
- The fact that the magnet had no other intrinsic function in the device just simplified our R&D efforts. Yes sir. Keep on talking.
- He probably bullshitted us here in most everything he said. Why not? No sweat off his ass. It did not cost him one minute of lost time. Mixing us up with his audio talk, audio tubes, etc. All bullshit to set us off this simple path.
- He hussled and bussled and wussled his way.
- With many disdained investors, who would not look to disappear?
- Poor guy, sure sure.
- Durban said SM did not have the brains to develop the TPU. He says SM would have had a hard time even understanding an LC circuit. Say what?
- Like a four winding stator, cut out one, rewire and work on three. hehe
- My VAR project is probably closer to the TPU then anything else.
- Erfinder was right all along. Screw everyone and look to Tesla. Don't trust anyone but Tesla.
I am sure that many will not want to hear what will be said in the coming days but it's OK guys. Like I said before. The TPU's of the future will make this device look like a furt juice.
Keep on.
ADDED:
I think we better all wake up out of this dreamy haze of SM'ness because one thing HE did not forget is..............................
WE ARE PART OF THE COMPETITION and as such, no rules apply.
@Wattsup,
I am not targeting you here.
@All,
This type of ridicule presents itself at the most fustrating of times. Do not be party to it. Stay focused and see who presents a focused message. The rest is but a detraction. Been here 2 years and am just as crazy as the rest about this. We have all seen different aspects of this journey. We all have a technical story and a personal story. I have seen lives fall apart because of this thing called the TPU. We who are still on board must not be swept away like useless litter because of a new post. We all got history. Do you want to lose that? Just throw it away? Stay clear of the noise and keep a clear head. Blah, Blah, Blah.
Giving up is as good as dying.
Tesla patent #381970, 390721, 568177.
--giantkiller. The only proof we have is what we have taught ourselves.
Quote from: giantkiller on March 17, 2008, 12:05:58 PM
The Tesla patent # 381970 diagrams have little twinkly stars in them. What are they?
Those were usually used to show carbon arc lighting.
..............
When my pooch starts to run for the open door and freedom I just shake a pop can with pennies in it to distract him.
This gives me time to shut the door.
This guy gonna shake a pop can?
What he said so far makes sense, but so do I when I'm on my medication ;D I'll wait for the noise to drop before I change any of my bad habits.
This Durban anouncment smells like distraction because of the post by Speres from today.
Is anyone else having problems trying to download Tesla'a patents? My computer goes crazy everytime I try.
If this is true then this confirms my suspicion of him not really creating the device. A while back I posted on his choice of vocabulary. I found that he has never said "my tpu". I don't remmeber at all him saying "my". It was always "the tpu". I would suppose this to be a habit when talking about something that isn't really yours. Makes me feel strange. I'm fucking scared right now. Please excuse my language, but thats how stunned I am. :o :o :o
Hi Everybody,
I've been gone for quite some time but am still very active on this project. Like Giantkiller, I've been on this project since the forum was started and have seen all kinds of people and claims about the TPU come and go. For the present time, I choose neither to accept or reject what Jack Durban has to say. On one hand, it would be fantastic if what he is telling us is the truth and could help us get to a breakthrough. But on the same hand, I'm not to eager to start believing a perfect stranger who just shows up one day and claims to know everything (especially considering what he said about Steven).
All I'm saying is be optimistic but don't be naive. I have a feeling that we will know what we are dealing with for sure after the audio interview with Sterling.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: nightlife on March 18, 2008, 12:02:46 AM
Is anyone else having problems trying to download Tesla'a patents? My computer goes crazy everytime I try.
Nightlife:
Search for Pepe's Tesla Pages and you can find them all there in GIF format. Only pain is they are one page at a time.
thaelin
It has been suggested that Mr. Durban's conversations with Tim Ventura regarding antigravity tech,
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/interviews/John-Dering1.wma
http://www.americanantigravity.com/graphics/interviews/John-Dering2.wma
were limited by Jack's loyalty to the non-disclosure agreements he entered into with his employer (SARA).
Skirted-around but heavily hinted-at are the roles of mercury and bismuth (highly diamagnetic elements) in gravity modification.
He is careful, but can be encouraged to drop some BIG hints. His research of Gabriel Kron's work is for sure on the right track.
Wow how did i conflate Jack Durban and John Dering? My mind must have been in "abbreviation mode"! J.D. ~= J.D.
Sterling, it would be informative if at some point you were to drop terms like, "toroidal topology" and "hopf fibration", during the interview... I'd be interested to hear Jack's reaction. (Of course I don't presume to disrupt the natural flow of the conversation-- I just imagine that there may be some clever coil geometry at play if the device is real.) Anyhow, the "coil geometry" topic should be explored.
ps
I am also guarded wrt this.
Disinfo?
Based on the following list of patents, they are all dated the same and I feel that all of these must be paired together to give us a better understanding of what his thoughts were at the time. Each one of these may hold a piece of the puzzle that we are all trying to solve. I can't seam to download any of these because my pc goes nuts and I have to literally unplug it to get it to stop.
I am also understanding that some patents have been lost, stolen and or hid. I would like to know if any of them were lost, stolen and or hid at the same time these were recorded. It's just funny how all these are recorded on the same date.
U.S. Patent 381968 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381968) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381968); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381968)) - Electro magnetic motor - 1888 May 1 - Mode and plan of operating electric motors by progressive shifting; Field Magnet; Armature; Electrical conversion; Economical; Transmission of energy; Simple construction; Easier construction; Rotating magnetic field principles.
U.S. Patent 381969 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381969) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381969); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381969)) - Electro Magnetic Motor - 1888 May 1 - Novel form and operating mode; Coils forming independent energizing circuits; Connected to an alternating current generator; Synchronous motor.
U.S. Patent 381970 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=381970) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=381970); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=381970)) - System of Electrical Distribution - 1888 May 1 - Current from a single source of supply in the main or transmitting circuit induce by induction apparatus; Independent circuit(s); Electric distributor.
U.S. Patent 382279 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382279) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382279); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382279)) - Electro Magnetic Motor - 1888 May 1 - Rotation is produced and maintained by direct attraction; Utilizes shifting poles; Induction magnetic motor.
U.S. Patent 382280 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382280) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382280); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382280)) - Electrical Transmission of Power - 1888 May 1 - New method or mode of transmission; Dynamo motor conversion with two independent circuits for long distance transmission; Alternating current transmission; Includes a disclaimer; Economic; Efficient.
U.S. Patent 382281 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382281) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382281); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382281)) - Electrical Transmission of Power - 1888 May 1 - Improvements in electromagnetic motors and their mode or methods of their operations; Motor is wound with coils forming independent circuits on the armature; Armature is mounted to rotate between two different poles; Armature will eventually synchronize with that of the generator; Windcoils or coils on the field magnets; Expose to continuous current to maintain a permanent field.
U.S. Patent 382282 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=382282) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=382282); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=382282)) - Method of Converting and Distributing Electric Currents - 1888 May 1 - Related to electric distribution systems; Current is from a single main source or suitable transmitting circuit; Induction into an independent circuit; Divide the current from a single source; Transformations; Discovery of method to avoid prior liable and dangerous methods; True Dynamic induction.
As for Jack Durban, he claims that he actually never was able to take the TPU in question apart to see what it consisted of, so based on that, I have to be real skeptical with what he has to say.
Another thing I noticed was patents Tesla had recorded 13 years later. they are listed as follows. It is strange that these next two would be thought of after the TPU unless he didn't figure out what powered the TPU until around this the time of these next patents were recorded. Based on these next two patents, he has devised a way to extract energy from sunlight and other radiant supply's. Why would he do this if the TPU worked as we all hope it to?
Another thing is that he recorded the Tesla coil just a few months later and if the TPU worked as we hope it to, then why would he have messed with inventing the Tesla coil?
U.S. Patent 685957 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=685957) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=685957); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=685957)) - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy - 1901 November 5 - 4 illustrations; Radiation charging and discharging conductors; Radiations considered vibrations of ether of small wavelengths and ionize the atmosphere; Radiant energy throws off with great velocity minute particles which are strongly electrified; Rays or radiation falling on insulated-conductor connected to a condenser (i.e., a capacitor), the condenser indefinitely charges electrically; Radiation (or radiant energy) include many different forms; Related to US577671; Transmitted or natural energy can be used; Photoelectric stepping alternating current motors.
U.S. Patent 685958 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=685958) (G.patent (http://www.google.com/patents?q=685958); PDF (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=685958)) - Method of Utilizing of Radiant Energy - 1901 November 5 - 2 illustrations; Ways of using radiation charging and discharging conductors; Rays or radiation falling on insulated-conductor connected to a condenser (i.e., a capacitor), the condenser indefinitely charges electrically; Radiation (or radiant energy) include many different forms; Related to US577671; Photoelectric stepping alternating current motors.
I am having doubts about Tesla?s TPU working as we hope it to and that it is nothing more then a power transformer, transforming DC from a capacitor to AC but in a more efficient way then we are a custom to by utilizing the back EMF from the pulses.
Jack's comments are of no assistance and my firm opinion is that he is engaging on a fishing exercise.
You will note that his comments contain no substance and are written in the style of a journalist.
The reasons that he has done this are only known to him but i would not be surprised if they included an investment opportunity at some stage.
He has not ever had a tpu
He did not work with Steven...I could go on but I wont.. subject closed for me.
Take care
Lindsay Mannix
@Mannix
Sorry but I am not in agreement.
I think Jack Durban has shown us his credentials enough to present himself as a credible construct in this ever expanding saga and I can only hope that his coming information will help us break this question. I cannot see any possible advantage for Mr. Durban to come forward save the fact that he has honored a tight lip policy and now realizes this policy no longer can hold him down.
The implication of just "one" key piece of information, that I am sure he does not even realize he has, since he probably has not delved into the TPU question as heavily as many here, would send this group off very quickly into more pertinent areas of discovery.
Something as mundane as "oh, by the way the magnets are a ruse and only used to close a reed contact" spells volumes in the simplification of any TPU design.
I think the disinformation started when SM came here with so many contradicting analogies regarding a basic simple function, with obvious limited components, making it "impossible" for all these analogies to apply to any one device. These stories were designed to lead us in the wrong direction but fortunately for people here on this board, they have shown a resilience and a fervor that has pushed this endeavor into directions that SM could only dream of, and the offshoot of all these efforts will be a better more reliable and durable TPU then thought possible.
Very simply put, when he came here, he did not at first realize the caliber of minds on this board (hey hey - mine not included - I know), but when he started to realize that "hey - wait a minute - if I shoot off my mouth too straight these guys are going to catch this so fast it isn't funny, so I better make sure they don't". This left him with what? All he could credibly talk about was what he really knew and that was tv/audio, so you get the tube, the frequencies mixed with some basic elementary Tesla.
So I am very sorry but anything anyone having first hand participation, talking "live" is just as valid in my book and even more so since the person in question has come forward after 10 years and this will hopefully only push others with some direct insight into coming forward.
Besides, this f*&kin rock we all live on is going to hell in a hand basket and we do not have the time to putz around and not try to "hurt" SMs feelings. There is only one Prime Objective and no one can stand above it. I think Jack Durban understands this now and his help would be most welcome.
I agree the magnet trick led us up the garden path for a long time. I went into a wild goose chase of believing the initial kick was between the magnet and the small toroidal. If we knew for sure from the off the magnet was only used to turn the damn thing on and off it would have saved a million man hours checking this stuff out. We now know the magnet was NOT required.
Also Jack now tells us that SM was replicating something that may not been his to start with. Now thats interesting as SM already stated he had one working unit and spent about a year and few hundred coils more to replicate the device. This makes perfect sense because if i gave you a working TPU in your hand im in no doubt it would take you the same amount of time to get a working unit if you had no idea how it actually works. It would take you a long time to realize that the 3 coils were cut to exact resonance and the small toroidal on top ran at 3 times the frequency of the others and then you had to work out the timing sequence all from a model in your had that you could not cut open and destroy. We can only speculate where the master came from maybe an old inventor that was a genius to replicate Tesla work and SM bought it from the old man which has now died...........anything is possible! Other proof of concept includes making a bailing wire TPU from iron wire. This would be a typical mistake of someone realizing that the tpu was emulating revolving a magnetic field was akin to an iron core. With fundamental knowledge absent a DIY builder would dive straight in and start using iron wire and while this will work will be extremely inefficient and produce more heat then power thus the first tpu we see was rated at 25 watts.
I might be wrong but SM has always been free to come here to defend these claims if he wanted to regardless of any NDA's or not. Its more plausible SM purchased the unit for nice sum or was given it for marketing purposes only to raise venture capital.
We should not discount anything Jack say it only adds to complete the picture as if we are dealing with a crime scene:) Leave no stone unturned.
@nightlife
I use http://www.pat2pdf.org exclusively. it has never bombed yet.
also your http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat381968.pdf and other links show an extension of pl?....
A better post by me should be 'I should be more open and objective'. The interview should interesting to say the least.
--giantkiller.
Speaking of which, I just spoke with Sterling Allen earlier today and he mentioned that there is a questions page on the PES Wiki site that we can post questions for Jack to answer during the interview:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Article:Jack_Durban%27s_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator#Questions_for_Jack
For those who don't have a username on PESN to edit the page, just post your questions here in the thread, and I'll check back later and add them to the page for you.
Also, Sterling told me that Jack apparently has some higher quality videos of the TPU that he plans on releasing soon as well. I don't know which vids they are but he told me that they are the same as the ones that are posted on YouTube already.
God Bless,
Jason O
@jdo300
It might be worth asking him if he is aware of how SM solved the problem of it working only one way up, the answer might give a useful indication into its method of operation. Also it might be useful to know if he was aware of any major construction/operational differences in the different size models.
A
Quote from: Mannix on March 18, 2008, 06:25:42 AM
Jack's comments are of no assistance and my firm opinion is that he is engaging on a fishing exercise.
You will note that his comments contain no substance and are written in the style of a journalist.
The reasons that he has done this are only known to him but i would not be surprised if they included an investment opportunity at some stage.
He has not ever had a tpu
He did not work with Steven...I could go on but I wont.. subject closed for me.
Take care
Lindsay Mannix
Lindsay:
G'day. How do you explain the private messages on the TEAC machine he was offering to return to SM if by your reasoning, SM and he did not work together?
cheers
chrisC
@Jdo300
Here are some questions.
Under a heading of "Cutting the TPU"
1) Were you there when SM cut the TPU.
2) Do you know what happened to that particular TPU and the cut parts.
3) If you were there, can you describe what you saw.
4) Do you remember any preparation discussions on any strategy SM wanted to use in order to decide were to do the cut on the TPU. Example - Location of least impact on the operation, location of least internal windings.
5) Before cutting the TPU he said it took him 6 months to build the unit. Do you agree and what in the unit could possibly take so long to build. Example 50,000 feet of wire, etc.
Under any other headings;
1) Have you ever had discussions about wire type such as Litz wire, lamp wire, bailing wire.
2) Did any of the TPUs make any peculiar sounds, clicking, ticking, snaps, etc.
3) Regarding the Open TPU (demo video in a garage) were he put on two magnets, we know he pushed a switch on the device and we also know there were batteries in one of the units legs and the unit was getting hot to the touch. Do you now anything else about this unit? Such as ring material(s), the circuit was visible - did you see it up close, etc.
General Questions;
1) As an inventor and holder of many patents yourself, did you not find it rather puzzling that SM would be able to build his first TPU, and afterwards have sooooooooo much trouble building a second one. This type of situation would be more consistent with someone having a TPU fall in their lap from who knows were, and afterwards trying to replicate it without taking it apart to not break the only working model. What are you thoughts about this.
2) What are your thoughts on why this technology is not already available on the market. Do you believe this technology was shelved or has the TPU remained in an unreliable state. Please elaborate.
Regarding the Large TPU (LPTU)
1) What are values of the two black capacitors and the two yellow capacitors.
2) There is a white connector. Do you know how many wires were on each side.
3) The two center toroid coils were mounted on their own original brackets making these either off the shelf toroids or taken off some other equipment. Do you know anything about them.
4) Have you ever made a rough wiring diagram of the LPTU as per the wires that are visible.
5) The TPU was mounted on some pretty thick wooden base. Why so thick. We can calculate that according to such thickness SM could have had up to 200 x 9 volt batteries hidden under the base of the TPU. Any comments on this.
6) Do you know anything about the internal core material of the LTPU.
7) SM said the LPTU was "made with bailing wire". Do you know what he meant by this.
8) The only place there could be a circuit is in that small black box under the two toroids. SM talked about 2-3 frequencies, pure audio signals, moving a magnet over 1000 wires. In 1996, it would be impossible to harbor mosfets, drivers, heat sinks plus the energy required to drive these inside that black box. Do you know anything about what is inside that black box.
Any of these questions would be good to answer.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: acerzw on March 18, 2008, 03:26:40 PM
@jdo300
It might be worth asking him if he is aware of how SM solved the problem of it working only one way up, the answer might give a useful indication into its method of operation. Also it might be useful to know if he was aware of any major construction/operational differences in the different size models.
A
Logically remove the biasing which created one way up operation to start with. The early models has the small toroidal right on top. This must have provided up bias. In later models you notice the small toroidal sat lower and lower till eventually it was inside the tpu in the small units. This comes at a cost of efficiency though because when you understand about the construction of the emulator you will notice you lose the 3D target by doing this. I dunno about you but its the least of anyones worries.:)
Quote from: wattsup on March 18, 2008, 04:20:13 PM
@Jdo300
Here are some questions.
[snip]
3) The two center toroid coils were mounted on their own original brackets making these
WattsUp,
the two center toroid cores are standard, everyday common-mode line chokes.
Normally they are used between the wall outlet and the electronic equipment.
All switching power supplies need them.
They let the 50 -60 Hertz line voltage through, but block higher frequencies.
Would be perfect to let the DC from the collector pass through, while blocking high-frequency noise.
Earl
Hi OU dot com guys,
Quote from: nightlife on March 18, 2008, 12:02:46 AM
Is anyone else having problems trying to download Tesla'a patents? My computer goes crazy everytime I try.
FE? Patents:http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1/files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1/files/)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents2/files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents2/files/)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents3/files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents3/files/)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents4/files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents4/files/)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents5/files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents5/files/)
TESLA Patents:http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1/files/Tesla/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1/files/Tesla/)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents3/files/Tesla/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents3/files/Tesla/)
http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Complete_Patents.pdf (http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Complete_Patents.pdf) (40 MEG)
http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Complete_Patents.txt (http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Complete_Patents.txt) (explanations)
http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00381970.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00381970.pdf)
http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00390721.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00390721.pdf)
http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00568177.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Patents/Tesla/TESLA_US00568177.pdf)
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In 1996, it would be impossible to harbor mosfets, drivers, heat sinks plus the energy required to drive these inside that black box.
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Errm of course thats not true! Are you sure you really mean 1996 and not 1896? :) I was making hi power RF amps using mosfets back around 1990. However i suspect that when the thing is running right hardly any power was required. From Bedinni to Joe Newman stuff they all tell you that all you need is volts not amps to create a catalyst. Thus it would be very easy to use one of the miniature 12 volt round batteries which is about 1/2 size AAA used in remote alarm fobs. 3 shift registers, one clock, 3 fets should get change out of 50 mA. Once the unit is running don't use any battery power.
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 18, 2008, 05:02:12 PM
Of course, I'll still be interested to see what comes out of the radio show, but I'm not convinced.
Why don't you first listen to the show and then respond?
I am convinced.
M.
...This is done by attacking me rather then the demonstration as viewed in
the video tapes.
That is because most of the demonstrations I gave were to engineers and
scientists who confirmed the validity of the power generated by my
technology.
I found the secret when I read in some books about electron
tubes.
I would like to point out that there have been many, many large offers for
me, my technology the company, you name it.
Keep an open mind folks and don't jump to conclusions just yet.
EM
@Earl
If those chokes were so common and everyday, then my question is, what's the point of putting a magnet next to it. I have done that with common chokes and there is nothing going on. So this would show the magnet ruse. What I would like to know by asking the question is are these toroids so amazingly different from others that make them receptive to a magnet.
@bolt
The point is the TPU was producing a minimum of 800-1000 watts of juiceroni. Getting your mosfets and driver and all the other ancillary control circuitry that you would require is such a confined space to handle 1000 watts of power of at least 1 amp is pretty serious and I just cannot fathom controlling 3 frequencies, capturing any feedback at 1000 watts, in such a small box just does not make sense. Now if the control was simply pulsing DC here and there, then I would agree, but to describe the function of a TPU will require the control for that function and I just can't see it fitting in that box.
Example: @Honk who I would consider as being a top notch EEer made a circuit for JackH and it was at least twice the size handling only 1/3 of the power, and it blew. So the question is why don't all these analogies fit inside this small black box. The only answer that fits is that it was not doing all these things. The function was much simpler then we think, so simple that any inkling of the function would have given it away, and hence all these stories.
giantkiller, thank you for that link and I too am very curious of what Jack has to say. I am hoping that Tesla's patent is mentioned as well as its relevance to Steve Marks device.
I have been thinking real hard about this and after reviewing Tesla's patent dates and the patents that were submitted, I am a very firm believer that Steve's TPU is the same and it is and or is close to what I think it is based on what I find Tesla's patent to be.
It was said to only run for about 20 minutes because it gets to hot. I am thinking that it would get hot but that also the capacitors used should only last about 20 minutes based on the size they have to be. Tesla's device used the back EMF from the pulsing action which we all know, adds to the life of the power source used by redirecting it back to the power source.
You would be very surprised on how many actually know of a back EMF and the advantages of utilizing it. It all the videos I have watched, not once was the question of a back EMF being used.
My question to Jack would be, is there any capacitors and is the back EMF being utilized? Another question should be if the capacitors are recharged?
I have a feeling he doesn't know this because it was said that he actually never seen the device taken apart. If he cant answer any of those questions positively, then he is no help to us other then to help steer us in the wrong direction.
Tesla's U.S. Patent 685957 and U.S. Patent 685958 are the ones we should be focusing on as well as modifying and updating them with today?s technology. These are the real frequency receivers that he has invented and if his TPU was a frequency receiver, he would have never taken the time to patent these two after he had already patented his TPU device.
Another thing is that he didn?t patent the Tesla coil until after he patented his frequency receiver which was wasn't patented until 13 years after his TPU patent. That tells me that he knew nothing of receiving frequency?s before he patented his frequency receiver. I am also convinced that he never knew what the raw form of energy really even was. If he did, he would have never referred to energy as different energy's such as radiant and electrons.
It drives me nuts to hear of people referring to energy as different things like radiant, magnetic or electrons. Common sense tells me it has to be vibrations with in frequency's. The more vibrant the frequency, the more powerful the energy.
A simple example of this would be things that smell. Our noses smell these things because the fragrance is actually vibrations that our noses detect like how our ears detect sound. The louder the sound, the more vibrant it is and the stronger the smell, the more vibrant it is.
I think the thing we need to focus on is the vibrations of fragrances. We can create smells by using certain vibrant frequency's because Hutchinson has done this along with others. If we can produce them, then we should be able to attract them like we do with sound frequency's.
This now leads to another experiment in which I will post in the thread, Nightlife?s wacked out idea's. Based on what I have concluded, I have to say that this thread as well as others like it dealing with Tzu?s like the one Tesla had patented, are dead ends and a waste of time to pursue.
I hope I am wrong but I just cant see how I am based on what I have posted. Good luck to you all but be very skeptical about what any one has to say about a TPU that is based on the one like Tesla has patented.
Its hard for me to say as i never built one but its absolutely not the route i would go down to believe or even think its necessary for the mosfets to handle 1kw on the large tpu is a good example. The control box is a timing and voltage amplifier nothing more. The mosfets are NOT acting as a switch mode power supply in the tpu certainly not in the output stage anyway. All of the designs bear witness to this fact. There is plenty of excellent theory on this site now thats testament to get a tpu working but not many have the time or resources to do it. In my opinion for what its worth the nuclear magnetic resonance theory using 3D geometry offers the best solution for a tpu. The tpu is an iron atom emulator thats the best description i can think of and this design would require milliamps and fit in a match box.
As SM has raided bits from stuff laying around his workshop non of these tpu are professionally made. The small toroidals raided from main filters, the box maybe from an old amplifier that already had a heat sink on it but it allowed the 3 fets to be screwed in the right places as the holes lined up nice. The wooden base found laying around in the garage for the large tpu and the covering of the TPU is of model aircraft construction home made stuff covered in plastic SolarFilm to cover the wires. The aero shape of the large tpu was model aircraft construction clearly seen when it was cut open with the jigsaw. You can even see the heat shrunk over the wires. Even the toggle switches look like an old toggle switch from a car dash board. I bet it was a fog light kit:) The open frame TPU looks like an old plastic wire spool thats been hacked about. Nothing here is NASA stuff!
However the timing, geometry and the exact cut lengths of wire in the tpu would never allow a kitchen table builder to make one in a thousand years.
@all,
let's see what Mr Durban has to say before we go wild again with theories. There will be plenty of time to incorporate any new information into our theories/experiments.
EM
Erfinder, sorry but if Tesla knew how to produce electricity from thin air, he would have never invented something to admit electricity in the air nor would he have invented a way to attract and utilize the electricity he had emitted in the air. Tesla's TPU device was invented 13 years before his inventions of admitting electricity and attracting electricity from the air.
Tesla wasn't an idiot and to say he invented a way to receive electricity from the air by using a TPU that was mobile and then 13 years later invented one that had to be stationary and didn't put out near as much power, would be the same as saying he was an idiot.
Think about it and really try to understand his patent of a TPU device as well as what it was intended for.
What is fascinating is the amount of interest shown here as opposed to the interest in the thread that Spherics started...
I hope that some of you see the difference and relevance ..
I guess a good story has more value than actual experiments
Here are two of perhaps the best vids on youtube that demonstrate the use of this power. In the water heater video this is keely stuff and demonstrates that you only need an extremely low power source of the correct frequencies to create massive amounts of power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM
Like the TPU the geometry and the frequencies are vital to correct operation a tiny PP3 is all that is required. Likewise Joseph Newman is a bit of a nutter but he also shows you only need voltage to create an abundance of power.
in this next video this generator is collector and amplifier the back EMF to produce an abundance of power. Notice how the lead from the lamp fitting takes output power and feeds it back to the input motor. The plausibility of the video is backed up further by the drop in power when he switches from mains to self running mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98&feature=related
bolt, sorry but those two videos are not all they are said to be nor should anyone think of them to be anything more then just attempts to fraudulently get people to invest in their ideas.
What the videos real close. the first one is never activated and if it was, it was done before the footage was recorded. He was asked to start it and all he did was hooked a probe in the voltage tester.
The second video shows the tops of the coils on the device and I for one know that this can not produce more energy then it consumes. He must be using capacitors as well as the back EMF to make it run and then it will only run as long as the power is supplied.
I have noticed that a lot of people are using the back EMF's as a way to try and fool people because of it's advantage it has in preserving the current not used. It maybe very efficient which would allow it to run for a long time on very little amperage. I would go in to more detail but I can't at this time because of a project I am working on with a pulse motor design.
Refer to his motor and that of a bedini pulse motor and you get the same results.
I dont want to rip this thread up discussing other stuff but i just say this then we can leave it here or open another thread later.
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What the videos real close. the first one is never activated and if it was, it was done before the footage was recorded. He was asked to start it and all he did was hooked a probe in the voltage tester.
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Thats wrong the battery he is using is already connected and laying down on the table. His meter is in series to measure the current drawn by the circuit. When the test commences he simply connects the lead into the meter to complete the circuit. I see nothing wrong with this whatsoever. This is Keely design and it works. Like all videos they can either be believed or not. However, if you don't believe anything you see then you can not ever move forward to accept this energy is very real and it keeps your forever blind folded to progressing further. For reasons we don't know same as SM's TPU these videos were leaked and were supposed to be only for investor purposes not public domain.
As for the motor the back EMF collection has been studied for a long time. Im in no doubt that there are various degrees of success to all this technology there is far too much about to ignore it. The use of caps to dump into resonance has been accepted in the tight community as a way of increasing motor efficiency and im in no doubt this video is true. He has simply perfected the art and looped it back.
I will agree the business ethics of the group creates the problems and speculation. Apparently they want millions up front plus life payments which is why it has never progressed in the last 20 years. Maybe for the same reason as the TPU et al.
bolt, I too, do not want to rip this thread up so lets take this discussion to the thread it relates to.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3764.msg83622/topicseen.html#msg83622
Quote from: Erfinder on March 18, 2008, 06:39:35 PM
Removed.....
Because some believe I haven't done my homework! I am finished with OU.com! Good luck and best wishes to all!
Regards
You are quitting just because of what some people believe?
Too bad you care so much about what a few people think.
I, for one, listened to what you had to say. I think you contribute to the conversation in important ways. We all don't have to agree 100%. When somebody points out a perceived problem with my ideas, I treat it as a learning / teaching experience. That is what we do here. It's the very nature of an open collaboration. Sure, there are nay-sayers and yea-sayers and know-it-alls. So what? There are also sincere, smart, and talented people who share the same goal & can learn a lot from each other.
So, you rip down your post? I thought collective punishment went out with the Soviet Union...
Presumably, you had something enlightening or important to share with us, but now we won't know because somebody challenged your assertions and that upset you. Oh, well.
I can understand your sense of frustration.
For me, it is worth it to have this forum where we can bounce our ideas off one another. The benefits generated by these conversations outweigh the irritations for me. Plus, the information we contribute is recorded and becomes accessible to the world, and I think that it is an important aspect to what we are doing here-- building a database from which we can draw old ideas and test new ones.
Quote from: Erfinder on March 18, 2008, 06:39:35 PM
Removed.....
Because some believe I haven't done my homework! I am finished with OU.com! Good luck and best wishes to all!
Regards
Hi Erfinder:
Why be so upset? I've always enjoyed your posts and whilst there are some stuff I still don't understand(yet), it 's such a waste if because of a few "know all" people, you remove yourself and the rest of us who wants to learn or contribute don't get a chance!
Please reconsider and come back. Thanks
cheers
chrisC
Erfinder, now I feel bad and please don?t take what I say as criticism and consider it my ignorance if I am wrong by what I have said. I am by far not qualified enough to say something is right or wrong but I will post what I think and if there are people here that can prove me wrong and or teach me something I don't know, then by all means, please do so. Just because I think something is wrong or it should be different doesn't mean it is. I am open to all debates and I have learned a lot from them but that doesn't mean I know it all and that everything I say should be considered the way it is. They are only my thoughts and I feel they are worth thinking about if nothing more.
I will not go in to detail about who I am and what I do but my father is a retired high ranked Naval nuclear physics engineer who retired just under the rank of a Admiral. He was given the choice to become a Admiral or retire, he chose to retire. You should hear all the debates we get into. He is book smart and I am street smart. LOL
Again, I am sorry and please note that I am only here to help and if I say something that is stupid, please let me know because I am no way to proud to admit that I am wrong as long as I can be shown that I am wrong.
You said you have done your homework and I would like to know what your conclusion is, don?t get upset if I happen to question your conclusion.
If you have done your home work, then lets start with Tesla?a TPU which is what SM?s TPU is supposed to designed after. For that matter, lets all talk about it. This is what every ones TPU?s are based on for the most part.
I honestly feel Tesla?s patent was based on efficiency and not over unity or free power. I may be wrong and it may take some convincing to get me to change my mind but lets do this for the sake of this thread and others like it. Lets dissect this patent piece by piece and come to a reasonable conclusion of what it really is as well as what it was really intended for.
If we all had a real understanding of his patent, we wouldn't be debating it.
@Erfinder,
Who do you think gave me the idea about connecting the Tesla ozone generator into the BFG design?
There are a few who are invaluable here and you are one of them.
I usually don't pay attention to too many threads or incidences like this, but your involvement here is and has been very important.
I am not just saying this. I have stuck this out for 2 years and am not done yet.
You aren't either. This too addicting.
--giantkiller.
@Guys
OK, Erfinder came back but on The Tesla Project thread and he put that great photo back up. Yessir.
We all need to learn from each other, whatever that may entail.
Hello Everyone,
I just added some questions from acerzw, wattsup, and Earl to the questions page at PESN. Here's the link. Let me know if anyone else would like to pose a questions not already there:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Article:Jack_Durban%27s_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator#TPU_Replication_Community_Questions
God Bless,
Jason O
Jdo300, I just have one question to ask.
Wasn't Steve Marks TPU just a highly efficient way to release energy from a capacitor by pulsing the current and utilizing the back EMF just as Tesla's did?
long night
Tyler Durden... from what I remember ...
Hello Everyone,
The radio interview is about to start and Sterling asked me to help work the show with him. If anyone is interested in calling in during the Q & A Section, here are the callin numbers:
Toll Free 888-228-4494 USA/Canada
Toll Free 877-489-6350 Worldwide
530-776-5154 Direct Line 2
530-776-5185 Direct Line 3
530-876-9916 Direct Line 4
Here's the link to the radio feed:
http://www.bbsradio.com/bbs_talk_radio_station1.php
God Bless,
Jason O
Is anyone recording it ? I have no chance to hear it because I'm still on work.
thank you
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on March 19, 2008, 01:52:08 PM
Is anyone recording it ? I have no chance to hear it because I'm still on work.
thank you
@Frederic
One hour into the live talk, I still haven't learn an iota of what this gentleman has contributed to the knowledge of understanding SM's technology apart from character assassination and his own 'contribution'! From my understanding of the radio talk, he wasn't even close enough to SM to understand any details. That's my own personal observation.
cheers
chrisC
I am recording, so I will be able to post the mp3. But chrisC is right. This is quite unclear why he is talking about this subject when he doesn't know a thing how it works... (I mean how it was built)
(Now EMdevices is on the phone.. :) )
Greg
Shhhhh... I am trying to listen!
Jack has clarified the issue about the magnets which is great.
My transmission got cut off as he said "I did hear.."
Shuks.
@all
Show's over now.
So SM is Gay, spent loads of cash and did not invent the TPU, on top of all that he has probably got AIDs and half a ton of investors after him.
The TPU is covered in PVC tape, made of wood, no batteries.
I think Jack must have been asleep when he was working on the device.
Hopefully the clear vids will be of use.
Regards
Rob
HAHAHA
that was fun
and now i know why FBi has after him
Quote from: MeggerMan on March 19, 2008, 03:05:32 PM
@all
Show's over now.
So SM is Gay, spent loads of cash and did not invent the TPU, on top of all that he has probably got AIDs and half a ton of investors after him.
The TPU is covered in PVC tape, made of wood, no batteries.
I think Jack must have been asleep when he was working on the device.
Hopefully the clear vids will be of use.
Regards
Rob
I don't think just holding the TPU in one's hands is considered 'working' on the TPU! As a matter of fact, from the talk, I don't even know if he was even privy to anything first hand. SM gave him a job of coming out with something to mimic his black box and he was witness to perhaps one or two demos and no more. So, if that's the case, I haven't missed much.
cheers
chrisC
Well that was interesting as jack has painted a better picture surrounding the politics of the device. Exactly as i said a long time ago i strongly suspected that the tpu was not SM's but from some old private inventor that may have died by now. Its highly possible the magnets did not play a part in the operation of the device other then the turn on a reed switch. If the magnet was more critical in operation, then why did the magnet change from 2 rectangular magnets to one then even on one tpu SM is seen position a large magnet from the back of a loudspeaker onto the box in the center to activate it. This is hardly scientific in operation as if the magnet plays a critical part of the operation other then to turn on the reed switch which is of course the usage portrayed by Jack.
Regarding the bailing wire i believe SM was using the phrase ad hoc to refer to common hook up wire. The purchase of wire from radio shack is highly likely given that most US builders are buying stuff from radio shack even today to make a tpu.
Its important to understand that there may well be others that have this technology and its working right now today. Jack seems quite sure about this and given the number of investors plus the burglary its likely at least one unit was stolen and possibly replicated.
So with this information its always possible that when someone comes into the forum as in Spheric and post what appears credible information that it may be someone that has first hand experience of the the tpu somewhere in the world and is trying to help.
Each time we get new information like this its important to go right the way back to grass roots and rebuild the picture of the how and whys.
As much as everyone maybe disappointed its still a fresh lead. The allegations for true or false may even spur SM to make new contact if he is able to or indeed other parties may now come out the closet.
So, what I learned from the interview is :
No tubes.
No control units.
Just copper wires, wood and Radio Shack parts mostly.
Cap and Coils on the large unit are just for filtering the output signal.
SM stole the design but has no real idea how it works and has practically zero technical skills.
The coils are in quadrants and not three. 2 primary and 2 secondary coils for a total of 4?
The large unit internals was wood. Wood and copper wire?
No great explosion risk as far as Jack knows of.
Jack says there are some people that have a working unit and that there are schematics from SM himself that Jack may be able to get a hold of and share with us here. The high quality video will be helpful also.
Past 20 minutes, the unit over-heats. This is the current barrier.
"Spherics" was a company associated with SM in the outside car test! There is no coincidence here. Someone in the know posted some information here under the name "spherics". How else would they know this name? Did anyone else catch that in the interview?
SM's questionable character explains a lot about why the TPU never made it past the video stage. Unregulated greed on his part.
This could be a major help for TPU development. It appears that Mannix may have been dupped. SM may have very well been feeding him bad information to prevent others from developing the TPU? Or maybe he just wanted to get attention? Who knows. If this can move past SM, it can only be for the best. If he really wanted to help, he would have given us schematics by now. He hasn't.
Jack sounded credible and his explanations make more sense than what we heard from SM. There were NO tubes! It was a wild goose chase. I look forward to what Jack has to contribute.
Did anybody catch how this is linked to the 381970 Tesla patent? Did it just look like the patent based on what he saw through the tape or did SM give him this clue when he hired him?
Yes as Jack has no internal workings on the device and Spherics appears out of the blue within 24 hours of Jack turning up this may not be a coincidence. Who would be so bold as to start a new thread titled??
"Complete information on working SM style device."
unless you have a pretty good idea of how it works or your otto of course LOL
The theory is highly justifiable more then 96% of the other threads IMO.
The interview was interesting from a political aspect, but weak on usefull technical information.
I took notes as the interview was unfolding and here?s some of the facts and inconsistancies.
1) Jack Durbin is recruited by Steven?s boyfriend MM, who has a criminal record for indecent exposure in public. (in the past Steven himself has been accused of the same)
2) Marilla wants to steal the information from Steven, or discover the secret, or wants to duplicate the function using transmission of power. Jack investigates Tesla, microwave technology
3) Steven Marks 3D audio technology is a sham and he has speakers imbedded in the celling etc. and looses important backers when he tells them he just adjusts the equalizer to get the right sound. Apparently Jack worked for the same company with Steven? The Spheric spinoff Extreme Technologies, which had some products marketed for a while.
4) Jack only saw the larger unit.
5) Jack mentioned the gyroscopic effect as similar to a wobbly motor, you can almost feel the thrust in different directions as it vibrated in quadrature. [note he mentioned he held it in his hand in the air, but the larger device is placed on table?]
6) Jack firmly believes the technology is real and there are no hidden batteries.
7) He mentioned the technology is similar to Tesla quadrature coil patents
8 ) The parts for it are from Radio Shack, he doesn?t think there is any solid state controls, or special iron wire
9) There is a heat effect which is exponential (nonlinear) and kicks in heavily around 20 minutes into the operation.
10) Jack knows some others who have been working on the technology and report the same effects.
11) Jack has a high resolution video he will share
12) He comments the magnets were used to open a reed switch, but in view of the fact he only saw the larger unit, which does not use magnets at all, these statements about the magnet are questionable.
13) He mentioned the contactee from Australia might not have been in contact with the real Steven, [a swipe at Lindsay? credibility and the wealth of info revealed perhaps?]
14) Jacks main reason for coming forward is to HELP the community that is struggling to discover the technology.
15) He also revealed two ?bombsheels? in his opinion. A) Steven is homosexual, B) his 3D technology was fake
16) Jack had an NDA signed with Steven and it expired, so that?s another reason he came forward when he did, but waited a while to make sure.
17) Jack is willing to come over to overunity.com and help in anyway he can.
18) He never measured the output of the unit.
19) He never saw the waveform, no oscilloscope
20) Steven is described as being very unskilled and uneducated. (mentions example of putting the device in water instead of oil to cool it)
21) The demonstrations were done at a rented house in Lemon Heights
22) The person filming is Bill Cavenaght, an attorney (spelling might be off)
23) Only Steven knew how it worked in the whole company.
24) Technology might have originated in France. Steven sent PhD guy David Doleshah to investigate French connection
25) Jack mentions large TPU is built on particle board, just for the shape, and also mentions Steven used speaker mount rings (perhaps for the open TPU unit)
26) No patents were filed in Jacks opinion
27) Jack speculates about Schuman resonance as being a possible explanation, also mentions the interference with submarine communications (nothing new here)
28) Jack has lots of patents to his name and has done product development for some time. His website iswww.vorel.com and also www.vorelco.com
It seems the only thing Jack might have of interest to this effort is a clean first generation video of what?s already available on the internet (youtube, etc..)
His other comments are quite basic and nothing which can?t be witnessed from a video. Did he really see first hand the device? My personal opinion is that he did NOT really see the device in person, I sensed conflicting messages as he spoke, which is normal in an interview, but we need to address them in more detail. For example he mentions no control board, and mentions choke toroids are inside the control box, when in actuality they are ON TOP of the box, etc.. small details like that. We need to explore all these things with him when he joins us.
EM
Quote from: bolt on March 19, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
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So with this information its always possible that when someone comes into the forum as in Spheric and post what appears credible information that it may be someone that has first hand experience of the the tpu somewhere in the world and is trying to help.
....
Yes, that was what I wanted to add in my previous post except I did not remember whether that was in the first part of the live talk or the telephone questioning time. Nevertheless, maybe Spherics is really SM in disguise? If so, the news of his demise has been greatly exaggerated!
cheers
chrisC
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Tesla drawing. Jack has already stated its a guess that it might be based on the tpu coils he saw. As he never cut one open or see schematic the information is no better then anyone else's. New clear videos might be a great help in counting windings though. Every bit helps.....
Hi All,
I recorded the whole show.
I converted it to MP3 already and it is 27 Mbytes.
I will now upload it to megaupload.com
and post the link soon.
Well, all in all, he ripped the character of Steven Mark pretty apart to be a gay "partyguy"
but Jack never saw a single scopehot of the device and does not know how it works...
Well, I am not sure, if he is right, that Steven Mark has no knowledge about LC circuits...
Then who did write the paper for his 3D audio patent ?
At least we can hope now that Jack can provide a much better quality video tape
and maybe can recognize again the people who were involved with this all
and comes forward with a few more names to contact who might know more about it
than he himself.
Anyway, it was an interesting show, although we know already more about the
devices than Jack.
Regards, Stefan.
Okay, it is now uploaded at:
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=OAB96USF
If you click this link there comes at the top a 3 digit code,
that you have to input into the form right to it.
Then you have to wait 45 seconds for the countdown and then
you can click the download link.
You don?t need to register with megaupload.com
to get the file.
It is a free download sponsored by their ads, thus you
have to wait these 45 seconds.
Enjoy !
I hope Mr. Durban comes soon forward with the higher res video.
Regards, Stefan.
We also need to bear in mind that Jack may be trying to blackmail SM with the tapes/files he found and that is his motivation for coming forward publicly. (It seems unlikely, but is possible that this was added to give an air of credibility to his other information, though it would seem pointless as his account was bound to be doubted, at least at first, without other proof).
You must also bear in mind that nothing much that he said could not have been put together from basic research done on this board in the last couple of years. Likely he has been watching the board for some time. Everyone has always know SM was dodgy, otherwise he would have done the right thing in the first place, that much has always been obvious to most. His sexuality has no relevance here.
All this definitely calls into credibility any info provided to Mannix, from an objective point of view, though I am sure Mannix is genuine in his efforts to move this forward. If Jack knows more about this source, he should tell.
I do not think tubes can be discounted until this source can be verified as credible, which for me will rely on Jack producing the high quality videos, which makes his claims more credible. If he has the schematics why would he need so much lab time to work out how it works? Who are those he knows who have got a device which generated gyroscopic effects? SM has at least one genuine patents, I believe, so if he has no electronics knowledge how did he do that, did he steal the design?
Thanks Stefan for the MP3.
A, the vids will be the test...
Well done to everyone who took part and asked questions. It was good to put a voice to some of the names
I missed the first half hour and the last 15 - 20 minutes (dropped feed) so will be looking forward to Stefan posting the whole interview.
It's a step in the right direction, contact with somebody who has been in the same room as a working TPU!
QuoteAll this definitely calls into credibility any info provided to Mannix, from an objective point of view, though I am sure Mannix is genuine in his efforts to move this forward. ...
I would say the info from Lindsay Mannix appears more valuable now and also more trust worthy. Jack also seems honest and I'm getting a better picture of the dynamics that went on. People wanted to know how it worked, including close friends of Steven, (how much closer can you get than his boyfriend) So I can understand why he was guarding his invention.
Let's just see what the video has to offer, and exactly what video it is.
EM
,,, ;D
WTF has any body's sexual conditions got to do with any thing other than sex??
perhaps half of hollywood should be shut down?
or is this a sex site???
I like slim girls in black leather....personally
I will listen to the spoof show and post something later....fun fun fun
Its a sad day for any body who thinks that this rubbish will help in any way
the opposite may well be the case. so lets have fun with it
Lindsay
I am a long time reader of this board (several years), but have little knowledge about EE. I am a computer scientist. Therefore I've only ever come here to read up on new developments.
Through the years no subject has fascinated me more than the tale of Steven Mark and the TPU. This was in the beginning mainly because of what I believe to be the most convincing video evidence of free energy ever produced. As someone has stated previously this could be faked, but it would take a pretty big efford and coordination to pull off, as opposed to most other free energy video evidence that could have been faked a thousand ways.
I was here when SM first made contact through a boardmember and was immediately suspicious about his deeply veiled approach to communication. At the time I believed it was because of some mysterious corporation (UEC) was breathing down his neck and he was affraid to disclose to much. Now after the interview with Jack Durban I see that this type of communication also fits very well with someone trying to cover up their true level of knowledge about an issue, something which I have encountered a few times in my professional life.
The Interview with JD: Over all I found JD to be fairly convincing in his style of comunication, he was calm and collected in his speach. As mentioned previosly there were a few inconsistensies that needs to be cleared up. F.ex. the fact that he was going back and fourth between which TPU size he had actually had hands on experience with.
Oddities:
- One thing though that I cant get out of my head: Jack Durban to me sounds EXCACTLY like the voice of Steven Mark in the youtube videos. I always thought that SM had a very distinct tone to his words but I may be wrong as I am not from the US. It should be pretty easy to discard this if SM's face shows in one of the videos as JD says. But maybe JD and SM are one and the same?
- How did JD get his hands on original video footage? He said that he had no involvement with the videoshootings.
- Someone signs up to the board as "spherics" only a few days before an interview where we hear about this company for the first time. very suspicious.
LTO
Nothing is new:
We've always known about Steven D Mark and his audiospacial effects patent 5487113, which are assigned to: Spheric Audio Laboratories Inc. It also mentions his coinventor David Doleshal
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on March 19, 2008, 05:20:51 PM
Nothing is new:
We've always known about Steven D Mark and his audiospacial effects patent 5487113, which are assigned to: Spheric Audio Laboratories Inc. It also mentions his coinventor David Doleshal
EM
Which makes it so much more hard to believe that SM was not capable of understanding basic electronics or whatever that term used to describe his technical ability in Jack's interview IMO pretty pretty hard to swallow. Maybe Jack's opinion of himself went way beyond what Steven was willing to share about the TPU. Sour grapes if you asked me.
Maybe we should track down Mr. Doleshal whom I'm sure knows SM far better than a few meetings here and there?
cheers
chrisC
www.vorel.com is registered to Jack Durban so, he is not SM.
How certain is Lindsay that the person in contact with him is actually SM?
If you think about it, if SM really wanted to help with the revival of TPU, he could have
done it in many ways. Is it possible the guy in contact with Mannix is just a confused soul?
The information from Jack was significant.
At the same time I can not get it out of my head, if there is no battery, there is no starting current
so why does it need a reed contact? The plot has thickened.
AM
deleted
Stefan already contacted Mr. Doleshal and posted his emails somewhere in these threads a while ago.
EM
P.S. Thanks Dansway!
Dan,
I have to agree. He told us nothing. Whenever he was asked a question his main replies was "well, I could check in the video".
If here was there and he had a photographic memory as he said, why no useful information of any kind other than Stevens sexual orientation?
However if he does have a video, I feel that will be the only thing that will prove he knew SM.
D.
Hmm,
Jack probably did not see all the video of SM that are out there,
cause he could not remember one video
for instance that was asked by another caller...
So also he said, that he only witnessed the big TPU ,
but mixed up the voltage and current ouputs.
So he was probably never there, when SM showed the Voltage
readings or did not remember it...
Well, for better preparing for this interview he should
have really watched his high quality tape again...but as he said,
he had not much time, cause he is currently in another product development
for his company in an unrelated area with not much free time.
So it is now also highly questionable, if Mr. Durban at all
did see a Reed switch in the big unit,or if it is only his idea
from some other videos he did see on youtube ??
Many thanks EM for finding again the
3D audio patent.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=P2MjAAAAEBAJ&dq=5487113
I will email Mr. Doleshal again,
who was really the inventor of this patent.
As he is working now more in a medical area when I remember correctly
he also told me, that he was not so technically involved with it all,
when I remember correctly.
Have to recheck my former email exchange with him again.
So I guess Steven Mark has really invented the 3D audio system
and he really knows a lot more about LC circuits than Mr. Durban
probably believes.
Why they faked the 3D audio part with hidden speakers is
not known to me and this I also did not understand from the interview
and Sterling also did not reask about this part more in deepth...
Regards, Stefan.
to Dan and CTG
If Jack is credible, having someone who can verify that the tpu works and has seen it running is very valuable, even if he knows little of the inner workings of the device.
Hi,
I agree. The trouble is how can he prove this to us? Anyone could read everything thats out there and then come out saying he knew SM.
Like Mannix, no disrespect intended, but we have no proof whatsoever that any information from Mannix really came from SM. Mannix however was able to back this up with videos and separate high quality images that no one else has provided.
If Jack can provide this video then great. If he does not, then we can only take the information given with a pinch of salt as he has not provided any information that was not already out there, in fact he didn't even seem to know all of that.
D.
I just found out that there is still another patent by...
tadada:
Steven D. Mark
alone:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=OHspAAAAEBAJ&dq=D362441
Here are even some more patents:
http://www.google.com/patents?q=Spheric+Audio+Laboratories&btnG=Search+Patents
Has all to do with Loudspeakers
from his company:
Spheric Audio Laboratories
So I guess Mr. Durban is pretty wrong, when he claims
that SM has no knowledge about LC circuits...
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 19, 2008, 06:07:22 PM
Here are even some more patents:
http://www.google.com/patents?q=Spheric+Audio+Laboratories&btnG=Search+Patents
Has all to do with Loudspeakers
from his company:
Spheric Audio Laboratories
So I guess Mr. Durban is pretty wrong, when he claims
that SM has no knowledge about LC circuits...
Not quite. Apart from the utility patent with David D, the rest are Design Patents which is basically aesthetics only. But he must know more about electronics (and magnetics) just from inference of Mannix's publications?
cheers
chrisC
A Google search reveals,
that former
Spheric Audio Labs is now
Extreme Laboratories, Inc:
Extreme Laboratories Inc
203. N Golden Circle Drive
Suite 201
Santa Ana, CA 92705
United States
800.774.3742 (Toll free)
http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=203%2e%20N%20Golden%20Circle%20Drive&city=Santa%20Ana&state=CA
These patents do not reveal any earth shattering inventions. They seem to be the sort of patents you try to get to
dupe investors with!
Mr Durban seemed to suggest that these patents were not really formulated by SM himself but rather by people like himself and maybe others around him.
One thing I find odd is the statement from JD about "to save the company we would....."
Why would JD work so hard to save SM's company if they only met a few times. Developing a whole new product for SM to save his company seems like a pretty big favor.
These are questions for Jack Durbin when he arrives:
1)Ã, Please explain in detail all the physical interactions you had with the TPU.
---Ã, describe in detail the device or show a photo, diagram, etc., so we know which one you saw.
---Ã, did you touch it and for how long
---Ã, did you notice vibration, wobbling, etc.. describe frequency, plane of vibration, sounds, etc..
---Ã, did you lift it up, turn it over or move it on a table, describe the experience.
---Ã, did you see any meter mesurements being done on it, did you participate in measuring.
---Ã, did you count or identify the type of wire being used under the covering of the tape, is it bifilar (two pair speaker wire?)
---Ã, what proof can you offer the skeptic that you saw and did what you claim.Ã, Any personal photos of you with Steven or others? Any hardware pieces?
2)Ã, Describe in detail your theory of how it works
---Ã, give any supporting evidence for your theory
---Ã, did you hear people talking about and speculating on how it works, is this what influenced your own ideas?
---Ã, did you see any schematics, any parts ready to be assembled, describe any hardware?
---Ã, did you hear of any experiments with the TPU that gave you any ideas.
3)Ã, Describe in detail the interaction with Mercury Marillo, and Steven Mark, (the politics of it)
--- did he represent a company or himself
--- he mentioned TOP SECRET work to you, did he inquire if you had any clerance?, and did you have one?
--- who exactly did you meet with, describe the number of people and duration of the meetings,etc.
--- what was told to you, what specs if any, describe what they wanted you to do in detail.
--- where did you perform your work, in their labs or at your own lab or company.
--- when exactly did you meet Steven Mark, how many encouters did you have?
--- describe what Steven Mark said to you in detail (in person, on the phone, through email etc..)
--- what proof do you have that this was Steven Mark, is it just what he said about himself?, what others called him, etc.?
--- were you payed? and by who, what company? etc.
--- what was the conclusion of the project with Steven, how did you part company
--- what was the beginning and the ending year of your envolvment
--- what else have you heard about them and the technology since you parted company, etc..
--- what other organizations are working on this and can you get us any more info (make sure you specify if it's third party info and not SM info)
These questions are not meant to be exclusive, just something to get you started.Ã, You might want to write a document and collect all the info in one place.Ã, Ã, I would suggest you write the document without watching your videos so your memory remains unbiased.
Thank you so much for comming forward,Ã, please don't delay in making that video available in as good a quality as possible.
EM
Hello everyone,
I stumbled across this tpu thing about a month ago and have been fascinated by it from the first moment. I have been following all this with great intrest. I'm not a scientist or engineer or expert in any field, I am a just a maintenance technician in the plastics industry. I have not bothered joining in or posting till now because i didnt feel i have anything of value to offer. Then today I heard the radio show. The thing that kept coming up over and over again was how these people were in the AUDIO field and how the S.M.tpu was built with SPEAKER parts.Has anyone here ever built a set of hi-fi speakers before ? Back in the day, Radio Shack was one of the best places to buy speaker components.I think if you look at the 15" S.M. tpu you will see that the coil/cap unit may actually be a speaker crossover unit.He also seemed to use a speaker spring terminal connector on this unit also.I really don't want to send anyone on a wild goose chase here, but I do want to tell you all what I hear and see in this...
(P.S) Radio Shack doesnt really sell this kind of stuff anymore, but this place certainly does:
Parts-express.com
slicer
Hi
Nothing new under the sun that i was not aware of....
I looked into these patents years ago.
I even knew about the 3D trick with the hidden speakers.
Thanks to those who did the show and those who recorded it aswell as those who called in :)
I do not think we got any real clues about the technology.
But it is good to see that the people involved start to talk about what happend back in the days.
Maybe there will be more of them, maybe not.
Time for me to wrap another one :)
PS. Jack if you are reading, i would like to add one question,
You said Steven sometimes turned off the unit with a load attached...
Was there any visible sign of the so called "turbine effect" as in slowly fading lamps or such?
M.
Here is again my former correspondence with Mr.Doleshal.
You must read it from end to start for the right time schedule.
hello Stefan,
Yes, its all right to repost this. I wish I could be of more help to you, but unfortunately, most of the kind of information you are seeking simply is not available. All this happened years ago, and my own memories of most of this are hazy. My understanding is that Steven lost interest in persuing the matter years ago when he sold the rights to what he had to UEC. All such trade secrets and information would be property of UEC, and under such an agreement, Steven would not be permitted to reveal such secrets freely to others that he had sold to UEC for money. You probably can't get much technical detail from Steven. Eariler this year, I heard there was some group in Ireland who was very publicly making the claim to possess such a device, but I don't recall their name, nor am I in any position to evaluate their claims. Also, there was a prominent group of UFO fans based in Virginia, (run by a Medical doctor named Greer(?) that was publicly claiming to have such a device about 2 or 3 years ago. The guy seemed to be an ethical and intelligent person, but I never actually saw his tecnhology demonstrated, and have no way to evaulate his claims. However, you MIGHT have more success investigating one or both of these groups than from Steven.
Regarding UEC, the way I remember it, UEC was to be an Australian corporation, possibly with affiliates in Europe or America, but primarily an Australian entity. If so, all relevant legal documents should be a matter of public record in Australia. They should be accessible, but I an not personally familiar with Autralian business or governemental procedures. It is quite possible UEC has changed its name or been sold to some other entity, but I would not know anything about this. My understanding was that Brian Collins was setting up UEC along with his associates, but I don't know their names. I think Steven was not wanting to be part of that company, but simply wanted to sell his technology to them. I have no address not contact information about them.
Reagrding Paul Stemm. Yes, Paul Stemm was the lawyer who put much of this deal together. He might have been one of the partners or stock holders of UEC., but I don't know that for sure. I have not seen Paul for many years.
Regarding patents on the TPU, I don't know whether the device itself has been patented. When last I knew anything about it in the late 1990s, this had NOT been done yet. Perhaps it has been done since. But if it has been done, it should be a matter of public record. A routine patent search should turn them up. Such procedures are now fairly easy to do over the internet. I don't see how Steven or any one else could prevent such patents from being examined. If they exist and are therfore publicly examinable government documents that anyone can look at, I don't see why Steven could or should want to prevent any one from seeing them.
About where UEC may have gotten funding, I don't know that either. If they possess a working technology, the obvious strategy for raising money would be to give demonstrations to potential investors. But I haven't heard of such things being done.
As far as my involvement in the testing of the device, I can tell you this much. After consulting with a number of highly experienced, intelligent experts in the field of electrical power generation, and asking them how a clever person might fake such a device as the TPU was claimed to be, several possible tests were suggested.
First of all, was necessary that no external wires or connection be permitted. (Some inventors insist their devices need to have such cable for "grounding purposes" or whatever. But any wire leading in could be used to send in power. Any "free energy device" that can't be demonstrated without such wires is almost certainly a fraud). This TPU was an exception, because it could easily be demonstarted with no such wires, either sitting on a glass table or carried about freely. Examiners could inspect it to make sure there were no concealed wires leading into it.
A second consideration was that the output must be demonstrated to light lamps or run ordinary electrical devices in a normal fashion. Simply showing a voltage reading on a meter was not sufficient. Ordinary volt meters are designed to measure either DC current or AC current with a regular waveform. Feeding such a meter a complex electrical waveform with erratic spikes can confuse such meters. If the current averages about 2 volts but has an occasional brief surge of 700 volts, the meter might be fooled into thinking it is seeing a current of 700 volts when it really isn't. ALL of the so-called "overunity "devices I have ever seen appear to work this way - by confusing the meters with complex waveforms they weren't designed to measure. A meter will read as if there was a high voltage, but the output won't light bulbs or drive motors. Although the output of Steven's devices did register on meters as a high voltage of a specific wattage, it did not display any of the problems of these so-called over unity devices. If the meter said 600 watts, the device really would light up 600 watts worth of light bulbs or run a 600 watt motor without problems. Wneh measured this way, Steven's TPU always passed the tests easily.
The various experts I consulted frequently suggested another possible way such a effect might be faked was if the so-called TPU devices contained some kind of tiny batteries or storage devices. However, when the best experts on battery technology available were asked about this, they were never able to explain how a device as small as a TPU could store sufficient power to supply the load. They were sure a portable unit capable to lighting six 100 watt light bulbs for 30 minutes or an hour COULD be built, but that it would need to be many times the size and weight of a TPU that seemed able to do the same thing. Perhaps battery technology now exists that's better than what was around ten years ago, but that still wouldn't explain how Steven could do what he did back then. Besides, if Steven had such a vastly superior electricity storage system so much better than anyone elses, the thing to do would have been simply to sell it as a new kind of battery instead of pretending it was a free energy device. The market for such a battery is probably hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Steven is an intelligent an practical man. If all he wanted was the money, he'd have surely done that instead of going the much more difficult rout of claiming it was all a free energy device.
The other possibility my experts raised was that these TPU were acting as receivers for power being "broadcast" to then via induction, magnet fields or radio waves from somewhere nearby. Although this was technically an easy thing to fake, in practice such trickery would be easy to detect. For the magnet fields or radio waves need to create 600 watts of usable power in the middle of a room ten feet away would need to be VERY intense at their source. The room containing the reciever would have to be filled with a field so strong it would make compasses spin, or cook flesh like the inside of a microwave oven. In such a case, the output of the TPU should diminish drastically when moved even a few feet further away from the hidden transmitter.
Thus the engineers wanting to evaluate the TPU brought testing devices like Sony-All Waves, that could detect the presence of any magnetic field or radio waves in the area, and insisted the TPU be demonstrated not just inside Steven's house but at locations some distance from the house of their own chosing. Every time this was done, no magnetic fields nor radio waves could be detected in the house, or nearby, and the device always worked just as well in the house as outside, or even several hundred yards, or a mile or so away.
I personally saw this kind of thing done several times, and Steven's devices always passed the tests every time. So althougI haven't a clue how all this was accomplished, he DID manage to accomplish it.
As for the name John Sanchez, that name is not familiar to me. However, I was in the house the day when Professor Schinzinger examined the TPU in the manner discribed in the previous paragraph. I talked with Shinzinger a few days later by phone. He called me because he was upset with me because I had (erroneously) told people he had been convinced that the TPU was genuine, when all he had actually meant to say was that he had been unable to detect any fraud. I asked Schinzinger if their were other tests he thought might have revealed a possible fraud better than the tests he had done, but he was unable to suggest anything specific. Schinzinger was the Dean of Engineering for years at the nearby University of California Department of Engineering, and a resepcted expert on electrical power generation systems. A more knowledgeable person on the subject probably could not be found anywhere. As a respected man of high intelligence and high integrity, it seemed that he was nervous letting his name be used to endorse a technology he could not explain or understand. He didn't want to be embarrassed by something that might later turn out to be revealed as a trick or a fraud. He was never convinced it was real, but even so, he was unable to find any evidence of fraud, despite what seemed like his best efforts to do so. Dr. Shinzinger was rather old then, and I have not heard from him since. Whether he is still alive now, I can't say, and if he is, neither can I say what his present opinion about all this might be.
I don't know if any of this helps you, But its about all I really know. I know Steven was very frustrated by this years ago, and had pretty much abandoned hope of doing anything more with it when he sold it all to UEC, and moved on to other more mundane and more promising projects. He is a very talented inventer and engineer, and easily creates other kinds of devices of a non-controversial nature that can be more readily profited from in the present economic and political environment that could things like this TPU. So far as I know, that is what he's been doing. But I haven't heard from him in many years. He used to often dream of living on a warm tropical island in the Caribbean, like Jamaica. Last time I heard from him he had earned sufficient money from his more ordinary projects to do so, and talked like he was ready to buy some land in Jamaica and move there. Far as I know, that's what he did.
If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me. I'll answer them as best I can, but as I have said, I probably can't be much help with the kind of technical information you are seeking simply because I don't have it and don't really know who does.
Good Luck, and Happy Hunting. If yu ever find anything interesting, please let me know. If ever make contact with Steven, please tell him I said Hello, that I wish him the best, and that I'd love to talk with him again some time.
Regards,
DAVE
Stefan Hartmann wrote:
Hi Dave,
many thanks for your reply.
Can I post this in the thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.0.html
?
Well, do you know, who this Universal Energy Corporation
is, that seems to be said is the holder of the rights to the TPU ?
How can they be contacted ? Do you know any address of them ?
Did Steven Mark sell the rights to them ?
Did Steven sell the rights to the TPU to his attorney Paul Stemm ?
Is Paul Stemm or does he own Universal Energy Corporation ?
Or If Steven did not sell the rights to the TPU to UEC how did UEC gain control of the device ?
Why does Steven not what us to see the patents granted to UEC for parts of the TPU?
Do these patents really exist?
Is the Universal Energy Corporation a real company and are there public records that can be consulted that show records of this
company?
If the UEC really exists who are the shareholders and were shares raised by making demonstrations of the TPU?
Do you know any answers to these questions ?
And Dave,
how were you involved in all of the testing and demos at this time ?
Did you measure yourself the output of the device with measurement equipment ?
Do you still know some other people , who I might cound contact,
that could answer these above questions ?
Do you know John Sanchez who was with Prof. Schinzinger testing the TPU ?
How can John Sanchez be contacted ?
Many thanks.
Best regards, Stefan.
----
Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann
Moderator of the international free energy
research forum www.overunity.com
Keplerstr. 11 B
10589 Berlin, Germany
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Doleshal"
To: "Stefan Hartmann"
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Steven Mark TPU unit witness ?
> Hello Stefan,
>
> I am sorry to say I probably can't be much help on this. Yes, I did see the unit in operation several times, but that was many
years ago. I do not have any technical secrets or details of how it works, beyond being fairly sure it does not have any thing to
do with the kinds of things so many people have been speculating about. Mark his associates are the only ones who know about this,
and they are apparently still not revealing anything.
>
> What I did see when the unit was in operation was that it DID appear to operate as Mark says it does - yielding an output of
several hundred watts, with no wires leading in to. The possibility of it containing some kind of hidden batteries within it was
often raised by skeptics, but every consultation with battery experts or battery salesman to explain how such a thing might be faked
using the smallest state of the art batteries came up empty handed. Mark did demonstrations in which engineers measured the
surrounding area to see if he might somehow secretly have been sending it energy via a radio waves or magnetic fields,or something,
but none of them ever detected anything of the sort, despite heroic efforts to do so. Potential investors hired all manner of
high-powered experts to debunk it or detect some fraud or trickery, but none were ever able to do so.
>
> So what does that prove? I don't know.
>
> One thing I am certain of is that all attempts to settle the matter by trying to evaluate the inventors character, etc are nothing
but a waste of time. I see people do this with other kinds of technologies, and I understand why in the absence of hard evidence
people feel the need to fall back on this grasping at straws approach, but it is utterly worthless. It is easy to make up with
accusations and insults or nasty stories about ANYONE, but whether true or false, they amount to nothing. There is this human
tendency to feel that if you can somehow find a flaw in someone's behavior, morals, character etc, you can therefore feel safe in
dismissing them. But if you look at the history of famous geniuses like Da Vinci, Galileo, Lord Byron, Newton or Edison, they all
were rather eccentric characters with colorful and checkered pasts. Edison was apparently a very rude guy in person. Einstein had
six girlfriends in addition to his wife. Their detractors had an easy time
> concocting all manner of fake charges against them, but none of that - false or true - had the slightest real bearing on the
value of their creations. The opposite is equally true. So far as I know, ALL the nasty accusations against Steven Mark manufactured
out of thin air, mostly by people hoping to blackmail or pressure him into making a deal with them and/or angry at him when he
wouldn't. But even if they weren't, so what? Even if you find people to swear on a stack of Bibles that the inventor was a saint of
stellar virtues and pure motives and morals, would that really be proof that his inventions worked? I don't think so.
>
> Good luck with it all.
>
> I haven't heard from Steven Mark in many years, so I you are in contact with him, please say Hello form me and wish him the
best, and ask him to contact me.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAVE
>
>
>
> Stefan Hartmann wrote: Hallo Dr. Doleshal,
> I am running the free energy research forum site
> www.overunity.com
>
> I have been getting infos from Mr. Lindsay Mannix from Australia,
> who is currently in contact with Steven Mark,
> that you have been seeing a TPU unit from Steven Mark
> "live in action", so to say...
>
> We are in this moment discussing and researching the TPU
> very heavily in this thread:
>
> http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.0.html
>
>
> Do you still have any technical informations about it
> and can send me your view about it ?
>
> Maybe you like to join my free forum and
> also discuss it there ?
>
> Do you know, who exactly owns the technology in this moment ?
> It was said it is owned by UEC, but who is it and
> how can these persons be contacted ?
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> Gruss / Best regards, Stefan Hartmann
> ----
> Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann
> Moderator of the international free energy
> research forum www.overunity.com
> Keplerstr. 11 B
> 10589 Berlin, Germany
@stefan
I think hes legit just has his views a bit jaded. Overshadowing all is his view of SM being a con and Homo. So lets make sure to take his observations at face value not his assumptions. We know there is a control circuit wether its just that lc with a small battery and 555 or somethign else. He heastently admidt it to you kind of towards the end of your second conversation and as well Radio shack deff sells iron bailing wire i worked there for 2 years http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049610&cp=&pg=1&sr=1&origkw=antenna+wire&kw=antenna+wire&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049610&cp=&pg=1&sr=1&origkw=antenna+wire&kw=antenna+wire&parentPage=search) Good questions ;) :)
Joe
Tracking the Spheric Audio Labs seems to be pretty hard.
I just called their supposed number:
714/668-1180
but this was a wrong number.
As I can not call in this moment
the
800.774.3742 Toll free number
from Germany, maybe someone else can do
it and ask for an employee that was around already 13 years
ago,
when Steven Mark still worked at
Speric Audio Labs and ask what his job was .
Many thanks.
Here are a few articles I found about this company on the web:
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The name change reflects the company's goal to offer a broad range of telecommunication systems for business applications.
Extreme TeleCom develops and markets several telecommunication product lines including a personal computer branch exchange (PCBX) which permits the operation of a full-featured telephone network control system from a centrally located personal computer. The system is comprised of an integrated circuit board which fits into a personal computer and has a number of advanced features.
Extreme Technologies is the parent company of three subsidiaries: Extreme Laboratories Inc. develops innovative sound technologies; Extreme TeleCom Inc. offers small- to medium-sized businesses integrated PC-based telephone networks through its proprietary PcBX TelCard; and PortaCom International Ltd. is involved in securing licensing, installation and operation of cellular telephone systems and other wireless communication services.
Extreme Technologies is listed on the Vancouver Stock Exchange and is quoted on the OTC Electronic Bulletin Board in the United States.
CONTACT: The Bohle Co., Los Angeles
Christine Flaherty/Karin Olsen, 310/785-0515
or
Extreme Technologies Inc., Santa Ana
Francis T. Phalen, 714/668-1180
Extreme Technologies Chairman Scott Mednick appointed to the additional post of CEO; President Phalen resigns for personal reasons.
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Thursday, February 9 1995
Subject: Officials and employees, Telecommunications systems
Company: Extreme Technologies Inc. Officials and employees
Product: Communications Equipment, Telecommunication Systems, Communications Equipment Manufacturing
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SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 9, 1995--EXTREME TECHNOLOGIES,INC.(OTC:EXTMF & VSE:XT) announced that Scott A. Mednick, Chairman, has been appointed to the additional post of Chief Executive Officer of the Company effective Friday, Feb. 10, 1995. At the same time, Francis T. Phalen will resign as President and CEO for personal reasons. Phalen remains on the Board of Directors and
According to Mednick, "steps have been taken to ensure continuity as Phalen steps down. Frank will also serve as a consultant and Director of the Company. The Company's future remains bright, and we expect a series of positive developments to be reported over the next several months."
Phalen additionally commented that his resignation is for personal reasons and that he plans to "remain active from the sidelines and as a consultant with no plans to dispose of my common stockholdings." He also stated "I am confident of the future prospects of the Company and regret that I will be unable to participate from an internal viewpoint in the spectacular growth that I believe will occur."
Extreme Technologies, Inc., formerly International PcBX System, Inc., is the parent company of three subsidiaries: Extreme Laboratories, Inc. which develops innovative sound technologies; Extreme TeleCom, Inc., offers small to medium-sized businesses integrated PC-based telephone services through its proprietary PcBX TeleCard; and PortaCom International, Ltd. which in involved in securing licensing, installation and operation of cellular telephone systems and other wireless communication services.
CONTACT: Juliette London
(714) 668-1180
"Regarding patents on the TPU, I don't know whether the device itself has been patented. When last I knew anything about it in the late 1990s, this had NOT been done yet. Perhaps it has been done since. But if it has been done, it should be a matter of public record. A routine patent search should turn them up. Such procedures are now fairly easy to do over the internet. I don't see how Steven or any one else could prevent such patents from being examined."
In view of the sentence structure and the emphasis placed above, a detailed patent search PRIOR to the late 1990's may be required...just to be thorough.
Regards...
Hi Stefan,
It was good to put a voice to a face on the radio show, in fact all the people that did ring in.
That was very kind of Mr Doleshal to reply in such detail about Steven Mark, this is more evidence the TPU is for real.
It would be good if the university lecturer could be tracked down and get him to confirm he saw a working TPU.
I very much doubt that Extreme Technologies will give out any info about an employee working for them, the best you could do would be to ask to speak to Steven Mark and see if they say, "ohh he left years ago".
I wonder who Spherics really is?
Maybe the data Spherics posted is an evolution of the TPU to the next level - a "Super TPU" with 10KW of output.
Think about it: 4 input/control coils, one toroidal collector coil.
Perhaps Jack can give us details about all these "other experimenters" who have the overheating issues after 20 minutes. Certainly no one person here has reached the stage of a working TPU let, never mind overheating problems.
[edit] I found this link that contains load more info: http://www.users.on.net/~lekh/stevenmark.html [/edit]
Regards
Rob
More importantly, *if* Jack is right and Steven didn't really conceive the idea himself (I am choosing to remain neutral on that one at this time), then Jack should be willing to help us find whoever did the research to find the original, French inventor who Steven allegedly got the idea from.
God Bless,
Jason O
It seems this company Extreme TeleCom Inc. is bankrupt by now and thus out of business.
From:
http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/08/15/00/0000898430-96-003905/Section7.asp
The following is an excerpt from a 10QSB SEC Filing, filed by PORTACOM WIRELESS INC/ on 8/15/1996.
ITEM 2. MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS OF FINANCIAL CONDITION AND
RESULTS OF OPERATIONS
BACKGROUND
The Company conducts business operations primarily through its wholly owned U.S. subsidiary, PortaCom International, Ltd. ("PIL"). The Company also has three inactive wholly owned U.S. subsidiaries; PCBX Systems, Inc. ("PCBX"), Extreme Telecom, Inc. ("Telecom"), Extreme Laboratories, Inc. (formerly known as Spheric Audio Laboratories, Inc.) ("Laboratories"), all of which ceased operations in August 1995, and presently have no active business operations.
Since 1994, through its PIL subsidiary, the Company has engaged in initial stage efforts to evaluate the feasibility of, and attempt to secure, licensing and joint venture arrangements for the operation of wireless telephone networks, mobile radio communication systems and other telecommunications technologies. In September 1995, the Company announced that it intended to focus all of its future activities on the development of its prospective emerging market cellular and wireless interests. Although the establishment and operation of wireless telephone networks and other advanced communications systems will be investigated by the Company wherever strategic opportunities arise, its principal efforts are presently focused on certain Asian countries. The Company's wireless telecommunications operations are in the development stage, have produced no revenues to date and remain limited in scope.
PCBX developed and was engaged in marketing a personal computer branch exchange which permitted the operation of a full-featured telephone network control system from a centrally-located personal computer. Telecom was engaged in distributing a line of telecommunications products manufactured by Nitsuko America Corporation. Laboratories developed and was engaged in marketing a line of audio speakers, as well as a proprietary audio recording and playback technology known as "SphericSound." PCBX, Telecom and Laboratories ceased operations in August 1995 and presently have no business operations.
Since the commencement of operations, the Company's revenues have been principally derived from the sale of its PCBX systems and to a substantially lesser degree from sales of Telecom and Laboratories products. Due to significant ongoing losses and the Company's inability to successfully develop and carry out marketing and sales strategies, the operations of PCBX, Telecom and Laboratories were closed in August 1995. The Company also attempted to secure licensing arrangements or other means of commercial exploitation of its SphericSound technologies; however, to date, only limited sales revenues were realized from these efforts.
Funding of the Company's operations since inception has been provided by:
(i) revenues from the sale of PCBX systems; (ii) proceeds from the sale of securities undertaken in a series of private placement transactions; and (iii) completion of an initial public offering on the Vancouver Stock Exchange during October 1992.
RESULTS OF OPERATIONS
Quarter ended March 31, 1996 as Compared with Period Ended March 31, 1995.
For the quarter ended March 31, 1996, the Company incurred a loss of $624,958 with no sales occuring. This compares to a loss of $4,014,522 on sales of $97,449 for the comparable prior year quarter. The decrease in sales (to nil) was due to the fact that the Company's revenue-producing subsidiaries (which were also generating significant net losses) have been closed. Revenues are expected to be nil throughout the fiscal year. Virtually all of the Company's sales in the 1995 period were attributable to the Company's PCBX systems and related products, with a small percentage of such sales being attributable to Spheric Audio. No sales have been realized by PIL.
The Company's loss for the quarter ended March 31, 1996 represents a loss of $.04 per common share, as compared to a loss per common share of $.13 for the comparable prior year quarter.
There were no cost of sales in the quarter ended March 31, 1996, as compared with $568,899 or 584% of sales in the prior year quarter. The Company's cost of sales as a percentage of sales in the quarter ended March 31, 1996 is not comparable to the prior period due to (i) the closure of the Company's revenue-producing subsidiaries in August 1995, and (ii) the Company's current business development activities not generating revenue.
Operating expenses fell in the quarter ended March 31, 1996 to $534,943 from $3,543,072 in the comparable year-earlier quarter, a decrease of $3,008,129, or 85%. Of this decrease, the most significant factors were a reduction in workforce and the cessation of sales, marketing and product development activities related to the closed PCBX, Telecom and Laboratories subsidiaries.
During the quarter ended March 31, 1996, wages and benefits fell to $79,716 from $728,096, an decrease of 89% from the comparable year-earlier quarter, primarily related to the cessation of sales, marketing and product development activities related to the closed PCBX, Telecom and Laboratories subsidiaries.
Consulting fees decreased to $264,137 in the current quarter from $1,175,758 recorded in the comparable prior year quarter. This reduction was primarily related to the cessation of business activities related to the closed PCBX, Telecom and Laboratories subsidiaries.
The Company's operations have become more dependent on its wireless telecommunications business development activities. The Company expects that it will continue to expend significant funds in order to obtain the licenses and form the joint ventures necessary for the Company or PIL to provide wireless communications services in developing international markets, although no revenue will be generated until such licenses are obtained and such joint ventures are operational. This may necessitate a material increase in general office overhead and other general and administrative costs.
LIQUIDITY AND CAPITAL RESOURCES
In the quarter ended March 31, 1996, the Company realized net proceeds of $975,785 from the issuance of shares of common stock in a private placement and exercise of stock options. In the quarter, the Company also did not repay any loans outstanding. These activities contributed to a net working capital (deficit) position as of March 31, 1996 of ($1,586,150), which is up $2,071,167 from ($3,657,317) at March 31, 1995.
The Company has incurred cumulative losses from inception through March 31, 1996 of $15,544,847 and has not yet achieved revenues sufficient to offset direct expenses and corporate overhead.
Since inception, a substantial portion of the Company's operating capital has been provided through financing activities. Operations have provided gross revenues to the Company of $2,222,650 whereas financing has yielded the Company net proceeds of $15,176,456. The Company's financing has been provided by an initial public offering and a series of private placements of shares. The Company anticipates that it may seek additional financing through the private placement of equity or debt securities, although there can be no assurances as to the success of such anticipated placement.
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Between January 5 and March 31, 1996, the Company has arranged, subject to regulatory approval, private placements of convertible promissory notes having an aggregate principal amount of $780,000. The promissory notes are due and payable after two years, or after six months upon demand of the holder. The promissory notes are convertible into shares of common stock of the Company at conversion prices ranging from $1.49 to $2.50 per share. The Company will also issue to the investors non-transferable warrants to purchase an aggregate of up to 154,990 shares of common stock of the Company for a period of two years at a price equal to the conversion price of the notes (see Subsequent Events).
As of March 31, 1996, the Company had 1,467,268 (567,433 options and 899,835 warrants) options and warrants outstanding which upon exercise would yield to the Company additional proceeds in excess of $4.7 million. The exercise of existing warrants is impossible to predict with any certainty, accordingly, management can render no assurances that any material funds will be realized upon the exercise of such warrants, or whether such will be exercised at all.
The Company has been able to secure financing in the past through loans from certain stockholders. Management has no reason to believe that similar arrangements will be available in the future.
The Company's net working capital position increased approximately $319,518 from December 31, 1995 to March 31, 1996. Working capital levels have only been able to increase in the past by virtue of the Company's continued offerings of securities.
With the exception of fixed rental and certain personnel expenses, the Company anticipates no significant capital expenditures within the short term. Rental expense accounts for approximately $5,000 of fixed expenses on a monthly basis. Personnel costs, which are expected to remain relatively stable within the short term, are likely to account for approximately $26,500 of fixed expenses on a monthly basis. Additional variable expenses, such as consulting fees, legal and accounting, travel and entertainment, utilities and miscellaneous equipment purchases (or rentals) are expected to account for approximately $132,000 per month.
Management does not believe that in the near term the Company's operations will generate revenue or cash flow to finance its working capital or any capital expenditure requirements and the Company's operations will remain dependent on the Company's ability to obtain additional debt and equity financing (including from the exercise of existing warrants), as to which no assurance can be given. In the past, the Company has been able to secure financing through loans from certain stockholders. While the Company will continue to seek both debt and equity financing, there can be no assurance that any such financing will be available on terms acceptable to the Company or at all. Without such additional sources of financing, the Company will not be able to continue as a going concern.
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SUBSEQUENT EVENTS
Convertible Promissory Notes
Subsequent to March 31, 1996, the Company arranged, subject to regulatory approval, private placements of convertible promissory notes having an aggregate principal amount of $1,025,000 (for a total amount of $2,405,000 of such securities placed between December 19, 1995 and May 7, 1996). The promissory notes are due and payable after two years, or after six months upon demand of the holder. The promissory notes are convertible into shares of common stock of the Company at conversion prices ranging from $2.50 to $3.25 per share. The Company will also issue to the investors non-transferable warrants to purchase an aggregate of up to 142,958 shares of common stock of the Company for a period of two years at a price equal to the conversion price of the notes. As of July 31, 1996, the issuance of such securities remains subject to regulatory approval.
Debt Settlements
In October 1995 the Registrant began to enter into written agreements to settle indebtedness in the aggregate amount of approximately $2,809,000 for cash or share consideration. These agreements were subject to regulatory approval. In May 1996, the Registrant received regulatory approval and completed the settlement of $2,513,121 of such debt through the issuance of a total of 1,256,561 shares of Common Stock. As of July 31, 1995, 53,675 shares continue to be reserved for issuance when permissible.
In December 1995, the Registrant agreed to the restructuring and settlement of claims of two parties related to each other, which settlement has subsequently been amended and partially paid. As of the July 31, 1996, the Registrant is obligated to make a final payment of $200,000 due December 31, 1996.
Between October 10, 1995 and May 28, 1996, the Registrant had settled for cash approximately $1,090,000 of accounts payable owing by the Registrant and its closed subsidiaries. As of July 31, 1996, the outstanding accounts payable of the Registrant's closed subsidiaries is approximately $185,000, which management of the Registrant is continuing to attempt to settle on terms favorable to the Registrant, although no assurances about such settlements can be given.
Cancellation of Performance Shares
In October 1995, certain shareholders agreed to surrender their 5,950,000 performance shares which were then held under an escrow arrangement. In consideration therefor, the Registrant agreed to issue 314,762 common shares at a deemed price of $2.00 per share. Although the performance shares have been irreversably canceled by the Registrant, as of July 31, 1996, the issuance of the 314,762 shares continues to be subject to the removal of the Registrant from the jurisdiction of both the Vancouver Stock Exchange and the British Columbia Securities Commission.
Bonus Shares and Warrants
In connection with the issuance of certain short-term debt by the Company in January 1995 and May 1996, the Company has agreed to issue, subject to regulatory approval, 85,590 "bonus" shares of common stock and 166,667 share purchase warrants, exercisable at $3.30 per share,
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expiring on May 31, 1997. As of July 31, 1996, the issuance of such shares and warrants remains subject to regulatory approval.
EFFECTS OF INFLATION
The Company does not expect inflation to materially affect its results of operations, however, it is expected that operating cost and the cost of capital equipment to be acquired in the future may be subject to general economic and inflationary pressures.
So the whole thing in a nut shell Lindsy Manix came here because of Collins that got holding the bag from Steve Mark , is now looking for a way to make it to work in a Sneekey (get everyone involved) way to better there empty coffers. good day mate and cheers LOL them Aussies !!!
I don't care so much why information was injected into the open forum, if we figure out the device, in the end, WE ALL BENEFIT !!!
Having said that, anybody who holds back info is doing all of us a disfavor (including themselves) and making the process of rediscovering the secrets last a lot longer.
EM
I posted a link in another thread about EMF and I just remembered something that was said that made me believe that it could be what this TPU is doing.
Easy on me now and please excuse my ignorance if it happens to show in this post.
PURPOSE: To show self inductance and back EMF.
DESCRIPTION: Two circuits are compared. One circuit is a 500 Watt lamp with the resistance of the lamp being the lone element of the circuit. The lamp is simply turned on by a closing switch. The lamp is seen to glow quickly. There is a small thermal delay due to the time needed to heat the filament, about half second of time.
Another circuit has the same 500 Watt lamp. But the lamp has a very large inductor connected in series. By closing a knife switch the current to the series R L circuit is turned on. The lamp will take a long time to turn on, about six seconds to achieve its full brightness from the current. After coming to full brightness opening the knife switch to cut the current will produce a large spark from back EMF. This is seen as a giant arc of flame across the poles of the knife switch.
http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/em/demo/5j2020.htm
I posted this wondering if a BEMF or collapsing field could be tied in to another like putting battery's in a series or stacking them parallel?
Not running the capacitors the same but taking the BEMF or collapsing fields of two or more and tying them together with out tying the capacitors together. Then have the capacitors send power back and forth to each other in pulses while taking off the BEMF or collapsing fields.
The above experiment was said that the BEF contained more voltage then the initial voltage used.
Does that make sense?
Thanks for your participation and interest in today's interview.
Here our link to download today's interview with Jack Durban.
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3 (http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3)
(1:57 hr; 27 Mb)
I archived the list of questions we referenced/asked here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Archive:March_19%2C_2008_Questions_for_Jack_Durban (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Archive:March_19%2C_2008_Questions_for_Jack_Durban)
Here's a photo of Jack:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki.com%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe4%2FJack_Durban_jp70.jpg&hash=60419e02cdc0e2a2bceecd6fa21d0d1c1cfda22d)
I also linked to OverUnity.com (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4299.msg83808.html#msg83808) for some of the reviews of what we learned in today's interview.
And, again, here is the main account:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator)
thanks for your efforts Sterling, they are greatly appreciated.
EM
That was an interesting interview but as with everything involved in this technology there is no new information even though new information has been made available. Thanks for trying Steven.
polypropylene capacitors and the chokes are what I believe to be key elements as well as the utilization of the BEMF or collapsing fields.
The polypropylene capacitors are said to be very high voltage and have a low loss rate. If they were to be used to pulse coils in a back and forth motion, I would think that their BEMF's could be utilized to provide the amount of power output this TPU was said to have produced. It is said that the BEMF is a more powerful voltage then the voltage applied. Chokes I have no clue about but I will research them and try and tie them in to my conclusion. Thousands of pulsed BEMF voltage if frequent enough, should create a very hot device and possibly cause a melt down.
I again see no over unity here and just another attempt to be deceived by the utilization of a BEMF or collapsing field. One thing that concerned me was that he said that Steve sent for mercury, it was said like it was something done quite often. Does anyone know why or what mercury has to do with this type of device?
QuoteOne thing that concerned me was that he said that Steve sent for mercury, it was said like it was something done quite often. Does anyone know why or what mercury has to do with this type of device?
He was talking about SM's associate. When I heard him say this in the interview, I immediately knew that "Mercury" would be misinterpreted as the element. For a split-second I thought this might be a clever hint, but no.
Some people look, but never see. Some people hear, but do not listen.
The interview was not a waste of time, but reading your post was.
No one ever mentioned Freddy Mercury. You are having delusions because
you do not listen.
Earl
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 19, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
Hi, Tyler Durdan here again,
Let me tell you, I was initially contacted by Steve's boyfriend, Freddy Mercury,
Steve was a paranoid bighead and a lying cheat,
He contacted me through the yellow pages with his top secret technology.
Steve may well be dead, and NO-ONE but him knew how the device worked.
Yes I'm still of the same opinion after having heard the interview. What a waste of time.
Quote from: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
Easy on me now and please excuse my ignorance if it happens to show in this post.
[snip]
@Nightlife
It is not easy to excuse ignorance when it takes up so much bandwidth and generates noise.
Quote from: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
[snip]
Does that make sense?
@Nightlife
I have yet to see any posts from you that make sense.
@All @MAC
Concerning the toroid chokes in the center of the large TPU, the probability that they are used as a tuned tank circuit - or a charge/discharge circuit is close to zero, in my opinion.
I have said this before, but not too many people pay attention. It is industry standard practice to use common-mode line chokes as RF interference reduction. There are probably hundreds of millions such chokes and filters sold and used each year. In order to meet legal requirements they are essentially obligatory in every electronic equipment. The chokes come in all shapes and sizes. Some are in toroid form. Since each winding has 110V potential difference, in spite of enameled wire, often an insulating spacer is used between the two windings. Exactly this insulating spacer along with the two windings can clearly be seen in the large TPU. The image 231_Drosseln.gif shows not only a choke with spacer for single-phase, but also a plastic star insulator for a 3-phase choke.
The coils themselves are not sufficient for an RFI filter. Also needed are so-called X and Y capacitors. There are different classes of X and Y capacitors called X1, X2, Y1, and Y2, depending on voltage and security specifications.
This is everyday, standard, traditional, classical stuff. Nothing new or exciting about common-mode chokes with X and Y condensers.
For further information consult the attached images and hyperlink.
http://iprinceps.egloos.com/1402906
I repeat, the probability that SM used the common-mode chokes and capacitors to filter RF while letting the DC pass to the output, is close to 100%.
Earl
@Earl
Due to the lack of high tech switching mechanism in the TPU (as described by Jack), is it safe to conclude that earth's magnetic field and Schuman resonance are
in fact the source of the energy captured by the TPU?
Perhaps the insertion of the magnets may had nothing to do with reed switches but to induce a small current in the coils which avalanched into a large one?
AM
I just did a test of cap discharge to cap and came up with really strange results. Couple that with coils and recapturing the cemf and this has room for more thought. I will have to see where it goes. Anyhow really simple test but I made a small mistake on the test and had the caps backwards. The results were very interesting to say the least. I disbelieved the results so much I had to do it over very carefully again. Same results.
Two 12v in series for a reading of 25.1v relaxed. One 10,000uf 80vcap and one 6800uf 50v. The test was to take the small one to the large one. I felt that to be the other way. Small oversight on my part. Load up the 10,000 with 25.1 and measure to make sure. Three second connection to the small one and then read the voltage left in both. Here is where it went wrong.
C1 init C1 end C2 end C1end+C2end/C1init
25.1 14.74 14.41 1.161% OOOPS?
Now I have to find that torrid that had the big caps on top with what may well have been diodes. Couple that with the small torrids I am starting to get a pic in my head of where I want to go with it. Could turn into one really wild osc with the outside winding making enought to keep it flying. Done right that ringing could be kept going a long time ala teslas comment.
OK off my soap box and back in my cage. Master should never have let me out today. Very sick and full of pain killers. ;D
thaelin
@AM
One of my lines of thinking is that the TPU is utterly, stupidly, totally
SIMPLE.
So simple that it uses no electronics at all, except to start it.
Once started, no semiconductor, no spark gaps, no nothing. Only an extremely clever arrangement of coils that forms an aether oscillator.
My thoughts have only started on this and I need to let this go through my neurons a lot more.
Earl
Quote from: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2008, 07:09:49 AM
@Earl
Due to the lack of high tech switching mechanism in the TPU (as described by Jack), is it safe to conclude that earth's magnetic field and Schuman resonance are
in fact the source of the energy captured by the TPU?
Perhaps the insertion of the magnets may had nothing to do with reed switches but to induce a small current in the coils which avalanched into a large one?
AM
SM did tell us to look at Hendershot, which also needed to be aligned with the earths field in the first model like SMs. Then later both of their devices eradicated this need.
Hendershots device is just coils, no circuitry. SM tells us "its just a knowledge of the coils and how they interact, their is no mass circuitry, very simple".
Hendershots device also slowly built up the power?
D.
@earl
You are correct about the noise filtering chokes.
I have build my twin 5u4 power supply using 3 of these noise isolating circuits.
There are also a lot of orange drops and the wires are led thrue ferrite rings which also reduce noise.
I use this supply to filter the signal comming out of my inverter so it does not affect the TUBES and the equipment behind it.
M.
Way to go Marco! Are we back on the trail!
Quote from: CTG Labs on March 20, 2008, 08:23:15 AM
Way to go Marco! Are we back on the trail!
We are ;D
Edit,
Here is a close up of the first filter.
Below is the chokes in Stevens coil.
Also note that when he tries to measure the ampreage with the yellow claw amp ,he first tries to measure the current running thrue the chokes.....why? because he knows it is part of the output circuit.
M.
@Earl
First thing, when you post something, could you please not remove the Re: in the subject field as this creates confusion on the main posts list.No Re indicates the "start" of a new thread. I don't know why you do this.
OK, if you look carefully at the center two toroids (chokes) you will notice the windings are using finer wire and also much more windings then you would see in a standard choke that has heavy gauge wire and much less windings. I have tried to see on the market about this with no luck.
Now if they were used as chokes and if the device is to follow anything by Tesla, it would have to be a high-inductance and this may explain why there are much more windings. With the high inductance, this will assure the charging of the yellow caps. Since the TPU would have to initiate an interplay of energy inside the coils, you require a charge/discharge ability that a high inductance coil would offer.
I am not sure if the coils you have shown have this ability given the thickness of the wires and low number of turns.
@marco
Your post of photos was just in time. Thanks.
have just heard the whole of Jacks interview
The inspiration that he offers is commendable
Thanks to those who were on deck
He may have been involved at an earlier stage but not to the degree that we were led to believe
Steven might have said that he was trying to take his technology...which was confirmed
He was not aware of this forum so he should be commended for what he offered.
I cant see how media exposure will assist the cause but it took courage to do so
there are at leasr 20 other people with a story to tell....come on guys!
I did not agree with his assassination of steven and still dont see the purpose for it.
Steven is certainly not "cashier" category which makes me question his ability..
Of course some info that I provided may be out of context....time (and effort)will tell
Im sure that he may offer some assistance once he gets up to speed with whats been happening here
Check out Roberto!...he has it singing
Nice Clean supply Marco!..it will be handy as far as I know
Yes It important that lots of people do this and not just write..if that's sneaky...then Im perplexed by that judgment. No one person should have this.
Brian Collins died trying to get this alive with investment. and if it wasnt for him I would never have herd of this etc....etc...go figure
Can we let Jack take his thread back and move foward here ?
Lindsay
Quote from: wattsup on March 20, 2008, 09:07:39 AM
@Earl
First thing, when you post something, could you please not remove the Re: in the subject field as this creates confusion on the main posts list.No Re indicates the "start" of a new thread. I don't know why you do this.
OK, if you look carefully at the center two toroids (chokes) you will notice the windings are using finer wire and also much more windings then you would see in a standard choke that has heavy gauge wire and much less windings. I have tried to see on the market about this with no luck.
Now if they were used as chokes and if the device is to follow anything by Tesla, it would have to be a high-inductance and this may explain why there are much more windings. With the high inductance, this will assure the charging of the yellow caps. Since the TPU would have to initiate an interplay of energy inside the coils, you require a charge/discharge ability that a high inductance coil would offer.
I am not sure if the coils you have shown have this ability given the thickness of the wires and low number of turns.
@marco
Your post of photos was just in time. Thanks.
Hello Wattsup, :)
The capacitors store the unwanted harmonics and then they fire them back into the choke to cancel them out.
This is only a means to get to a clean DC output and as you can see i have used 3 of these isolating circuits in my supply.
I use 3 diffrent cap/choke combos (fine wire/thick wire etc.) for diffrent harmonic target.
I can tell you the output still isn't what i want it to be.
But this does tell me something about the output of Stevens coil with all the hash since he seems to use only one noise isolating circuit.
M.
@marco
In the world of OU, there is no such thing as unwanted harmonics if it means to stifle energy creation. This cannot be for such a purpose. I know you are using it for that reason or purpose in your supply, but this is not the same thing at all. Why would you want to remove harmonics when they are the very essence of the havoc you attempt to create inside the coils.
If you had a bridge rectifier inside the black box before the true output, and all you are running in the demo is light bulbs or a drill, who cares about the harmonics. Also, the TV was lit through his converter that would have taken care of all that already, so I do not think this was used for that reason. Also the two black capacitors are connected in "series" and are probably used to smooth the output.
There has to be another reason for those chokes.
so i drew you guys a simple pic cuz this thing can be built so many ways......
this is a mechanical unit ..... uses water and a good old crank...
ist
Quote from: wattsup on March 20, 2008, 10:12:21 AM
@marco
Why would you want to remove harmonics when they are the very essence of the havoc you attempt to create inside the coils.
As Steven pointed out in this OU world there are many unwanted harmonics.
They can be before the device and after depending of the setup.
This gets complicated when the signal source becomes the feed.
If there are harmonics in the output it will mean they are also going back into the input.
With the harmonics it just does not work.
I have build my supply out of the clues Steven gave us.
It is not that i just put something together.
M.
We seem to be going round and round in circles as so many things that might work contain coils, caps, maybe magnets, maybe a small control circuit. While on the theme of hendershot again this little write up makes important distinctions about operations and non reciprocal that may launch into OU mode as the output becomes detached from the input. This is why even if the tpu contains circuitry it shall only initiate the catalyst to start the operations and will never be part of the output. Like wise such operation will allow milliamps of starting current where a circuit is employed and none of the output will be part of the feedback loop except for over burn shutdown. Another way to think about this is to imagine a firemans hose. Its takes very little effort to turn the level to the on position yet the force of the water ejected requires 2 men to hold it steady. Apart from a nozzle to control the flow the operation of the lever is irreverent to the amount of pressure available as a result of the action and nor is a circuit prudent to get involved on the pressure side except maybe to offer smoothing akin to the jet nozzle. This is complete different to a switch mode power supply where ALL of the output power must pass the output transistors and coils and feedback of the loop is used to control the mark space for stability Clearly this is a system of reciprocal mode. For a laymen example Joe Newmans motor runs on PP3 batteries. Its a non reciprocal operation as the amount of power required to run the machine has nothing to do with the input power. How well it accomplishes this though is of course up to debate.
There is a problem with an over simplistic suggestion though and that is someone by now would have stumbled on the same effects for a tpu IF it was a case of a coil and cap. There appears merit to me in the Nuclear Resonance suggested by Spherics. This will prevent accidentally stumbling on the right coil cap combination. Anyway to resume the Hendershot concept.............
HOW DID THE HENDERSHOT DEVICE WORK?
by Fred B. Epps ( 04/27/97 ) - JLN Labs
In this analysis of how the Hendershot machine might have worked, I will make certain simplifying assumptions. First, I assume you are familiar with the circuit diagram and construction features of the Hendershot device. I also assume the device can be analyzed as two parts, the coil/capacitor assembly and the "clapper" resonant circuit. The coil/capacitor (CC) is my major focus here, but I will point out later how the resonant energy-storing principle is essential to the operation of the device.
THE COIL/CAPACITOR
In examining the CC assembly we find a very interesting component that is quite likely to create overunity performance if used properly.
(The basket-weave coil consists of braided windings over a modified electrolytic capacitor).
It is common sense that the capacitor and coil are intended to interact. The question is, what is the nature of that interaction?
Logically, there are three possibilities:
1) The coil affects the capacitor, but not the reverse.
2) The capacitor affects the coil, but not the reverse.
3) The coil affects the capacitor, and the reverse.
I reject option 2 because there is no element in the coil that can be affected by a changing electric field in the capacitor.
I reject option 3 because no true overunity device can be reciprocal-- it must be nonreciprocal. A reciprocal or 'two-way" device must always load the input and cause power loss at the input equivalent to the power gain. Let me explain what I mean by "reciprocal". Most systems that are encountered in everyday life and engineering practice are reciprocal in nature. What this means is that the energy relations are reversible. A good example is EM induction, where if the output of a motor becomes the input, the motor becomes a generator, and the energy relationship is reversed without being changed. This is an extension of Newton's law of action and reaction.
It has been proven (1) that certain systems are nonreciprocal, that is, the outputs cannot be made inputs. It has also been proven (2) that any nonreciprocal device with electrical inputs and outputs must contain a magnetic field. The magnetic field has the property of changing the direction of applied forces without doing work-- this is essential to these types of systems. In nonreciprocal systems the output does not load the input. Imperfect, lossy nonreciprocal devices can be constructed in many forms, among them gyroscopes, gyrators, ferromagnetic amplifiers, microwave phase shifters, and Hall effect devices.
Only the first option is capable of creating overunity performance: there must be a one-way interaction between the magnetic field of the coil and the capacitor. Otherwise the magnetic field must be loaded in some way, either inductively or parametrically, and the coil will lose energy. For there to be no losses in the core, it must 'see' the capacitor as basically an air core with an unvarying u of 1.
THE COIL
There are three ways to look at the braided windings of the coil:
1) They are inductive.
In this case the braiding is not intended to reduce flux and there is considerable flux inside the capacitor. The operating principle involves standard magnetic fields.
2) They are noninductive.
The flux is essentially prevented from entering the capacitor. The operation involves the magnetic vector potential.
3) They are both inductive and noninductive.
I am not equipped to analyze the noninductive (scalar) aspects of the coil (perhaps Bob Shannon would like to look at that). I don't believe that it is necessary to invoke scalar fields to explain its operation. Thus I make the further, possibly incorrect, assumption that the coil uses only standard magnetic fields.
THE COIL/CAPACITOR INTERACTION
How might the magnetic field of the coil interact with the capacitor? At the risk of boring "old hands" I think it necessary to explain the action of an electroytic capacitor to show how this might happen. An electrolytic capacitor has an extra layer of liquid or solid electrolyte between one of the plates and the dielectric. This layer has two main functions-- it provides better contact between the metal and the dielectric, and seals tiny holes that form in the dielectric by electrical action.
A liquid dielectric such as used in the Hendershot device has interesting electrical properties. It has a high dielectric coefficient k , as well as ionic conduction (3). Since obviously the ionic content has something to do with the value of k, and since moving ions are subject to Lorentz forces over their free path, it seems at least possible that a magnetic field through the coil would change the value of k and thus the C of the capacitor. I do not know enough chemistry to describe all the details but I have posted material on the magnetovoltiac effect and the experiments of Weiss who showed that magnets will affect the chemical and thus electrical conditions in wet cells. Hall effects exist in electrolytes (have to find the ref.)
The particular mechanism that is involved need to be determined by experiment. I think it will prove to be an ionic Hall effect, but it might be scalar or something else. I am not as focussed on the specific mechanism of interaction as that there IS a one-way interaction where L changes C without C changing L. This is a nonreciprocal system.
You may be familiar with the experiments that Jean-Louis Naudin and I are doing with varactors. These APPEAR nonreciprocal at the voltage
levels we are using because the output voltage is not high enough to appreciably affect the control voltage. At higher output voltages the device goes into nonlinear operation (frequency doubling mode). This mode does affect the input, sometimes cancelling the control voltage, soit is definitely not a nonreciprocal sytem. Also, keep in mind the existing proof that all electrical nonreciprocal systems must contain a magnetic field.
Hendershot's coil/capacitor appears to be a true nonreciprocal system. The theorems for nonreciprocality were proven for a low-frequency system consisting of an electromagnetic transducer mechanically coupled to an electrostatic or piezoelectric transducer.
The general form of these devices is "magnetic--mechanical or material coupling--electric". Hendershot's device fits this pattern well, being "magnetic induction--mechanical properties of ions--capacitance".
RESONANCE
Nonreciprocal systems are usually lossy, although some microwave ferrite systems can operate with very low insertion loss. How does sucha system go overunity?
Through resonance. Remember that the nonreciprocal system by definition does not load the input. It cannot change the input in any way, so whatever state the input was in at the beginning of the process is the same state its in at the end of the process. If the input is a resonant circuit, only the electrical losses in the input need be considered because we can ignore the output by definition.
The fact that power is being transferred to a load through the nonreciprocal element cannot influence the operation of the circuit. At a certain Q in the input circuit and at a certain level of loss in the noreciprocal element, the circuit will go overunity. It should be pointed out that the output in Hendershot's device was due to variation of the capacitance in the CC assembly and thus drove the output circuits parametrically.
This is why his circuit required constant tuning. The Mathieu equations for parametric oscillations have many areas of instability for different ranges of frequency and power.
These considerations allow for the design of many types of overunity system in many media. Everything from purely mechanical devices like gyroscopes to solid-state ceramic resonators could be called into play. They also allow us to understand, predict, and duplicate the operation of devices like the Testatika and the Hendershot device. I would be happy to discuss building projects with anyone who is interested.
Fred Epps
Refs:
1) "Violation Of The Reciprocity Theorem In Linear Passive Electromechanical Systems" by Edwin McMillan, J. Acous. Soc. Am. (18), 344 (1946)
"Coordinates And The Reciprocity Theorem In Electromechanical Systems" by John W. Miles, J. Acous. Soc. Am. (19), 910 (1947)
2) "Reciprocal Relations In Irreversible Processes I, II" by Lars Onsager, Phys. Rev. (37) , pp. 405-426 (1931)
Some Aspects Of Onsager's Theory Of Reciprocal Relations In Irreversible Process" by H.B.G. Casimir, Nuovo Cimento Suppl. (6), pp. 227-231 (1949)
3) Electrolytic Condensers, by Philip Coursey, Chapman and Hall, 1937
ED @Earl "I repeat, the probability that SM used the common-mode chokes and capacitors to filter RF while letting the DC pass to the output, is close to 100%"
Yes that i believe too why? Because it wont give a very good demonstration if the voltage is seen to be erratic on the test meter due to large RF fluctuations especially where different meters could react very different to the quantity of RF type noise present. It makes far more sense to filter the crap out so that any persons present would all see a steady DC reading on different meters. In addition SM may have hooked even the large TPU to modified inverter which would have worked much better with clean DC going in although 1k inverters were damn expensive and inefficient back in the late 80's/90's compared today 1kw inverter can be bought of ebay for a few bucks. Its a very easy hack.
Quote from: bolt on March 20, 2008, 11:38:31 AM
HOW DID THE HENDERSHOT DEVICE WORK?
I guess it's more important to find the cause of the overunity, not a coil arrangement causing it. You'll be like a monkey trying to find a working arrangement without basing you decisions on some theory.
In my opinion, the device can work without circuitry if it feeds with spark-like impulses itself. This is possible considering sawtooth wave (which is spark-like) can be represented with a set of harmonics. You probably know that if you run a serie of sinewave oscillators with harmonic frequencies (2x, 3x, 4x, 5x of the base freq) the sum will be the same as sawtooth and so the sharp transient will happen with the period of base oscillation. And so, if oscillations inside the coil build up in a way so that their sum is close to sawtooth's formulation, the device will be feeding itself forever.
But why oh why you would pray for 'self-sustain' when it can be clearly beneficial to pulse the coils with simple and low-power circuitry? I think auto-oscillation won't be precise or stable: change ambient temperature and it will likely fade away.
Quote from: wattsup on March 20, 2008, 10:12:21 AM
@marco
In the world of OU, there is no such thing as unwanted harmonics if it means to stifle energy creation. This cannot be for such a purpose.
Wattsup,
The unwanted harmonics and RF hash/noise are in essence after the OU creation. So to say the by-product or residual. The wanted output is pure DC, everything else is unwanted. RF on the output causes finger burns and problems with the neighbors TV and radio. That is the reason to insert a common-mode low-pass filter just before the output jack. There it has absolutely no effect on OU creation.
[snip]
If you had a bridge rectifier inside the black box before the true output, and all you are running in the demo is light bulbs or a drill, who cares about the harmonics.
Your neighbor does, as well as the FCC. Without the filter, the TV may only show snow or jagged lines.
There has to be another reason for those chokes.
In my opinion, the only reason for the common-modes chokes are together with the capacitors to form a low-pass filter. As I said, this is essentially obligatory for all electronic equipment. SM is using it on the output because there is no input. Without this filter, the TPU would be acting as a transmitter and with connected cords acting as antennas, he could wipe out all TV and radio reception with-in a radius of a mile or three. You can imagine all the angry people who could not watch their soap or the police/fire dept. who could no longer communicate with their vehicles. Good way to have trouble fast.
Earl
Hey i remember Steven saing:
I prefer using triodes because they generate less distortion.
Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know...
By the way, your Solid State amplifier generates so much noise that if you measure the mains wiring you can see noise from YOUR amplifier actually getting back through the transformer and into the mains input wiring!!!
NOW design and make a good tube amplifier and you will immediately find a dramatic difference in the B+ supply measurements and what you can see on the scope. No more spikes from the solid state rectifiers, almost no hash from the mains power coming in! REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal !
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
So,how can they monitor the frequency's with noise and harmonics?
Who cares about the harmonics when the signal source becomes the feed and vice versa?
The control unit will care.
That is why i build that rectifier...It also has an filterd AC outlet.
M.
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 20, 2008, 03:08:47 PM
QuoteSome people look, but never see. Some people hear, but do not listen.
The interview was not a waste of time, but reading your post was.
No one ever mentioned Freddy Mercury. You are having delusions because
you do not listen.
Earl
You are correct, Earl - nobody ever mentioned Freddy Mercury. It was a little poetic license used to highlight what I believe to be the absurdity of Durban's claims, rather than a delusion on my part. I'm sorry if that was not clear to you, Earl. The rest of my two 'Tyler Durdan' posts essentially consisted of things said in the original interview by Durban himself, so in that context are as useful or useless as what he said.
Durban's the guy who can't remember a patent number he mentioned recently,
I have no problem with that, I can't remember patent nr.s either.
can't remember component values from video he has,
I doubt very much that the component value of the yellow caps can be seen in any video.
but doesn't want to undergo hypnosis because he has a photographic memory so knows it wouldn't add anything.
The question about hypnosis fell down out of the blue and since hypnosis is an extremely large violation of one's private sphere, I am not surprised that he responded with a diplomatic excuse instead of saying Hell NO. My response to this question would have been much more direct and blunt.
He's the guy who claims SM had no real technical knowledge, whilst later admitting he may have been a TV repair man.
Is pulling tubes out of a TV, looking at a chart to see that the tube should be plugged into tube tester socket nr. 15, and replacing a tube that is in the red zone on the meter considered to be real technical knowledge? No one has claimed that SM was the star of the TV shop, able to locate a leaky capacitor in 30 seconds, and an intermittent resistor in 46 seconds.
Still, you've got to respect what Durban's saying, after all, he did invent the first frisbee with an LED in it and the most highly advanced shopping cart to grace the face of the earth.
Well, if Jack has paid off his R&D on the shopping cart wheels, imports containers of them from China, pays $2 each and sells for $9.95, then why not respect him? Maybe he has spent many all-nighters in front of a scope until the invention was finished, functioning, and with-in FCC specs? Maybe he makes more dough in one month than many earn in 10 years?
Personally, I think your negative attitude doesn't permit you to see that the interview was a goldmine of valuable information. My understanding of the TPU has vastly increased, but then I am the type of person who pays attention to whether the dot above the i is round, square, or hexagonal.
Earl
Quote from: wattsup on March 20, 2008, 09:07:39 AM
@Earl
First thing, when you post something, could you please not remove the Re: in the subject field as this creates confusion on the main posts list.No Re indicates the "start" of a new thread. I don't know why you do this.
Because I detest RE:
OK, if you look carefully at the center two toroids (chokes) you will notice the windings are using finer wire and also much more windings then you would see in a standard choke that has heavy gauge wire and much less windings. I have tried to see on the market about this with no luck.
There are unending different types of common-mode chokes. The finer the wire the less current and more inductance. Core permeability also plays a role. SM would have looked at a manufacturer's table of chokes, picked one with sufficient current rating and end of story.
Earl
I will be so happy and grateful to see Jack's high-resolution video.
He said that Steven was tight lipped about the design. Jack claims to have been hired to find an alternative design. He claims that Lindsay came into the picture at a later time. And given everything else that was said about SM, one might think that the clues given to Lindsay were of an alternative design and/or meant to misdirect. :-\
Yep, a nice clean video would sure come in handy about now. Y'all better behave yourselves. ;)
Is anybody in private email contact with Jack?
I invited him via email to come over here but so far he has not answered yet and has not come over here.
Marco was in email contact with him before the interview, but after the interview no more emails anymore from Jack. Is he still too busy with his other projects ?
This all seems like a bunch of bull to me. Has anyone gotten any of these devices even close to working yet? Anyone can fake the Steven Mark's videos.
Quote from: Earl on March 20, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
@AM
One of my lines of thinking is that the TPU is utterly, stupidly, totally SIMPLE.
So simple that it uses no electronics at all, except to start it.
Once started, no semiconductor, no spark gaps, no nothing. Only an extremely clever arrangement of coils that forms an aether oscillator.
My thoughts have only started on this and I need to let this go through my neurons a lot more.
Earl
Quote from: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2008, 07:09:49 AM
@Earl
Due to the lack of high tech switching mechanism in the TPU (as described by Jack), is it safe to conclude that earth's magnetic field and Schuman resonance are
in fact the source of the energy captured by the TPU?
Perhaps the insertion of the magnets may had nothing to do with reed switches but to induce a small current in the coils which avalanched into a large one?
AM
I agree with Earl,...please people,..think simple!!!
It is just the coils and the way they interact with each other, no fancy crap what so ever,....keep it simple!!!
Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder
simple enough?? ;D
@Earl
First of all thanks for Re-ing your posts and not taking this request in a bad way.
This is an OU device and not a tv or any other FCC regulated device. When it comes to that point in time the solution is obvious and does not have to be integrated into the device as it stands today. That would be the least of ones problems.
There are probably only 7-8 main components to the LTPU and I doubt it very much that he would use even 2 of them to fix power output. That's 20% or 30% of the components and this does not make any sense at all. Not for what the device was used to show in the demos.
If these two fine wire chokes are for the output, they would have fried at 1000 watts plus when he did the sparking they would have fried again. Come on man. My 1000 watts inverter blew some months ago and taking a look inside, the output choke is heavy gauge with maybe 10 turns.
I will quote you;
There are unending different types of common-mode chokes. The finer the wire the less current and more inductance. Unquote
That's exactly the situation here. OK, so I will stop beating around the bush cause I thought someone would catch.
Those fine wire toroids are used as self-induction required to charge those yellow caps that are required to discharge current through the coils in reversing polarity. Those chokes are not required for output control. They are both the starting point and end point in a loop that changes polarity on charge and discharge. But I'll try and make a diagram soon on t his and plan a first build.
Mr. Durban had enough time to realize the coils in the LPTU were arranged as four coils 90 degrees each. He says there were two layers but this would have to be further investigated when the clear video becomes available.
So, why two chokes? Why not one nice fat bugger. Because those chokes are used to control a pair of coils each around the TPU.
I think the permaent magnets serve the same purpose as a magnet in a speaker does. It is the reference magnetic field. A saturable core reactor controls the high power circuits by changing the magnetic flux of the core. This way a very small dc input can control a very large ac current. So the magnetic field of the pms set the reference flux of the sensor winding. Any change in this flux field is going to be sensed by the coil. So now the system knows what magnetic flux is doing in the aether. I am sure that these magnets are not the kind Mythbusters clown with but are matched to the gauss of the Earth's magnetic field. Now you know what the aether energy is doing so you can phase lock on it. Amplify this input and make the larger windings react in phase with the aether.
QuoteThis all seems like a bunch of bull to me. Has anyone gotten any of these devices even close to working yet? Anyone can fake the Steven Mark's videos
its more likely that this is fraud perpetuated by the corporate oil/fuel interests or other free-energy/antigravity interests (military or elite) who simply wave it as a red herring across the trail to keep us away from real advancements in releasing mankind from the 'scarcity' of energy resources.
if it was real its more likely the guy would have been here using an alias sharing the principles that this so-called free energy device uses.
it seems like the best ampreage comes from wind (convection?), water (gravity), and sunlight (photons?) and theres an ABUNDANCE of it. Seems liek youd be better off harnessing higher efficiencies with these forces.
I guess i'm finaly starting to get tired of the tpu noobs. As always, please go back and read as much as you can to eduacate yourself on the tpu progress. LoL... I've been here for a long time, lots of strange stuff, you just got to read.
@sparks
very good spaks. Has anyone imagined how can a simple speaker create so much air movement and sound with so little voltage and current?
@all,
BTW, Bedini coils are using not conventional BEMF but eather energy, explicit explained by Bedini. There is definetly more to SM coils than we conventionally can think, specially hard-core EE/Scientists that can not see that extra.
So I also take Jack Durban's words with respect but with a huge grain of salt concerning his perceptions of the "simple" SM's device.
Side note: Durban could not recall an element of the device when Sterling asked him but than later he said he has "photographic memory", that sounded like a contradiction. May be it is not, but still sounded like one.
Fausto.
plengo, I thought the exact same thing when he said he had a photographic memory but yet could not remember what he was said to have seen.
You talk of the Bedini coils as if they are not utilizing a BEMF or a collapsing field but that they extract energy from the eather. Please don?t tell me you are serious. His coil winding themselves show that he is utilizing the BEFM or the collapsing field. I have found the Bedini pulse motor to be one of the most efficient if not the most efficient of all. I have yet to see a pulse motor designed utilizing all the energy producing potentials they have.
One example is the Thrupps pulse motor, it is said to produce more then it uses but yet I seen one thing in the video that tells me it is a fraud. He may have produced a pulse motor that is just as efficient as the Bedini motor bat based on what I saw, it can not be any more efficient and that maybe why we have not seen more of his motor and it continues to stay in hiding. Then we have to throw in the fact they want donations too. LOL
A real inventor of a over unity device would never have to publicly seek donations if it works as they say it works. There are hundreds of people that have plenty of money that would invest all they had if they were shown a proven over unity device as long as they could dissect it for authenticity reasons.
Hello All,
Loads of interesting discussions going on here. It's a shame that many have not investigated the effects of the rotating field inside the TPU that SM mentioned numerous times. My latest stent of research has been focused on this end.
I noticed that Jack never mentioned anything about the center collector coil. I have been trying to find any information out there that could show how a rotating magnetic field could passably cause a DC current to flow on such a collector when it is wound circumferentially around the toroid and the rotating field is rotating axially around the toroid (similar to an AC motor). Well, I *think* I may have found the answer we are looking for but I need some help from everyone here to find out more information on this interesting effect. It's called "Rotating Magnetic Field Current Drive" and it is commonly used in the plasma physics area to drive DC currents in plasma accelerators. Now before you get turned off by the plasma stuff, check out this post that I just put up on the Physics Forums not to long ago.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=223019
I have a feeling that no one over there will respond to it but if we can find some more information, namely, if this effect works in copper wire as well as plasmas, then this may be one plausible explanation for the DC output. Please check it out and let me know what you all think.
God Bless,
Jason O
Looking at the link below. Does this not look like the Hendershot device?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnxjLWR0VXM
Quote from: dvder on March 21, 2008, 02:41:26 AM
Looking at the link below. Does this not look like the Hendershot device?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnxjLWR0VXM
Look who is posting at the youtube link....... JackDurban & Vorelco...... very strange their posts are all within a week....
turz
I found the bit about the TV repair a bit odd too, I know a lot about electronics, but it does not mean I could repair a TV set. Also valve based TVs in the 1990's, was it some kind of vintage TV repair shop?
Regarding dropping the core into a bucket of water, it depends on what kind/pureity of water.
If its completely di-ionized it should be fine. Also, its possible it may have been a very light oil he used that looked like water. A liquid conducts about 1000 times better than air if I remeber correctly.
Regards
Rob
thanks for that info Jason, it sounds interesting.
My take on this is quite simple.Ã, Ã, It works in conductors as well.Ã, It's a type of eddy current phenomenon perhaps.
Here's an illustration.Ã, Note that due to the relative velocity between a magnetic vector and charge carriers,Ã, they are imparted a force and a current occurs normal to the disk.Ã, Ã, This is calculated as (j = k(v x B)), where 'v' is the velocity of the charge relative to the magnetic field 'B', and 'k' a constant(conductivity).Ã, This current density is labeled as 'j', and integrated over a surface would give the curent 'i' in amps.Ã, Ã, Now this current further interacts with the magneitc field, and if you do a (j x B) calculation, it results in a vector labled 'F' , orÃ, force on the charge carriers that is imparted by the rotating magnetic vector.Ã, So it's a type of drag, and there has to be slip or it doesn't workÃ, (slip is relative velocity between the charge carriers draged along and the rotating B vector)Ã, In a conductor, this results in actual drag on the disk (you can physicaly spin the disk)Ã, Ã, the same as in an AC motor.
An intersting thing to note is that the ultimate direction for the drag is the same for (+) or (-) charges.Ã, Ã, The actual charge that moves depends on the type of material and what the charge carriers it has.Ã, I'm sure there are finer details to the actual motion of the charges, but this should give a good idea what's involved.Ã,Â
EM
Quote from: MeggerMan on March 21, 2008, 09:14:34 AM
I found the bit about the TV repair a bit odd too, I know a lot about electronics, but it does not mean I could repair a TV set. Also valve based TVs in the 1990's, was it some kind of vintage TV repair shop?
Regarding dropping the core into a bucket of water, it depends on what kind/pureity of water.
If its completely di-ionized it should be fine. Also, its possible it may have been a very light oil he used that looked like water. A liquid conducts about 1000 times better than air if I remember correctly.
Regards
Rob
No one said he was working in tube TV's in the 90's but he did before that time. I used to work in a TV repair shop many years ago and although much of it was still changing tubes through the late 70's into 80's many sets were hybrid with transistors and tubes. Of course much comes through repetition and experience and you know if you got no EHT chances you know where to look. Getting sets in that were 10 or 15 years old was not uncommon. Many people today still have VCR's that may well be 15+ years old.
So with this experience and i had a tpu coil that kept on overheating then carefully dipping even part of the coil of wire in water that had no joins exposed and no bare contacts other then plastic covered wire is not as stupid as Jack is suggesting. Of course it could never be a lasting solution but if it proved to keep the temperature under control then other avenues could then be explored. An experimenter has the freedom to try anything once if he felt he wasn't putting himself in danger.
@nightlife
I am not saying that, I am repeating what Bedini himself said about his coils. He explicit say it is NOT BEMF but gravity waves that are extracted when coil is energized, not when after energizing (BEMF). I think it is difficult to understand too but he must have good reasons to say that. Check it out at the old and now defunced Bedini_SG group at yahoo.
Fausto.
@Earl
I've decided to agree with you on the purpose of the two toroids (chokes). The practice is just too common and practical. However, I keep running into a stumbling block.
Those two chokes, the main body of smallest TPU and what I believe is the second TPU and the choke on top of the smallest TPU all have one aspect I haven't seen on chokes used as low-pass filters. At the point where the wire turns bend - the bend is unusually sharp - as if the wire isn't laid upon the common rounded edge found on such cores.
While some of these things I see may be due to poor video quality I have the opinion that some have an unusual wafer/spacer like material between the conductor and the core. In some shots it even looks as though there is no core but only a form.
I've replaced hundreds of such chokes and have many variations in my junk-box. None have those characteristics, even when my eyes have been focused by a liquid lunch.
In the past I've seen things others can't and not seen what others see so - am I off-base here?
Quote from: EMdevices on March 21, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
thanks for that info Jason, it sounds interesting.
My take on this is quite simple. It works in conductors as well. It's a type of eddy current phenomenon perhaps.
Here's an illustration. Note that due to the relative velocity between a magnetic vector and charge carriers, they are imparted a force and a current occurs normal to the disk. This is calculated as (j = k(v x B)), where 'v' is the velocity of the charge relative to the magnetic field 'B', and 'k' a constant(conductivity). This current density is labeled as 'j', and integrated over a surface would give the curent 'i' in amps. Now this current further interacts with the magneitc field, and if you do a (j x B) calculation, it results in a vector labled 'F' , or force on the charge carriers that is imparted by the rotating magnetic vector. So it's a type of drag, and there has to be slip or it doesn't work (slip is relative velocity between the charge carriers draged along and the rotating B vector) In a conductor, this results in actual drag on the disk (you can physicaly spin the disk) the same as in an AC motor.
An intersting thing to note is that the ultimate direction for the drag is the same for (+) or (-) charges. The actual charge that moves depends on the type of material and what the charge carriers it has. I'm sure there are finer details to the actual motion of the charges, but this should give a good idea what's involved.
EM
Hey EM,
Great Analysis there! That got me thinking quite a bit and also reminded me of some other interesting information I found (will bring that up in a moment). The first thing I thought about based on your analogy is how the disk would want to physically spin with the field (just like a normal AC motor). But what happens if you fix the disk so that it can't spin? Does the rotating field produce a circumferentially directed DC current in the disk? If this is the case, then this may be the answer to how the TPU works, and also the reason why it would get hot while running!
As a further note to possibly corroborate what I'm thinking, check out this diagram here:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Feducate-yourself.org%2Fgw%2Fpulsefig5.JPG&hash=640773424758e0e6d61a8ddb1f096d42bce5daf8)
It came from this page here which was talking about magnetic field therapy:
http://educate-yourself.org/gw/gwpulsedmagtherapyaug8.shtml
Also, here's the paragraph which describes the diagram:
Consider Figure 5, which illustrates the type of motion a charged particle executes when it is placed in a crossed electric and magnetic field. In Figure 5 the magnetic field is at right angles to the plane of the page (perpendicular) and the electric field is in the plane of the page.This is not exactly the same as what we are talking about, but is another possible way that DC could be produced on the collector. Only in this case, we would need an electrostatic bias...
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jdo300
It looks like you are on to something interesting. Are you aware Halbach arrays have been used by the plasma folks for acceleration and spin?
Your recent posts remind me of the old watthour meter again. An oldtimer once told me they would spin at high speed if the braking magnet was removed.
Hello all,
I thought that it could be interesting to compare what Jack said with the Steven Mark's Frases. I found it quite interesting, so here it is: (it is long but there might be something useful there).
Steven Mark?s TPU ? Important phrases
1. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to
achieve the demonstrated results.
2. I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one
moment in time to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the
designers. (he?s talking about the exploding tv set in Chicago)
3. Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is what it does you know.
4. In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a
wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are
caused to flow in it.
This was explained because the earth?s magnetic field exerted some
influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on
the surface of the wire.
5. The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth?s magnetic
field to produce a small kick. (Morgan Jones book, valve amplifiers. 3rd edition,
page 262)
6. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth
and simple electrons running through wires
7. They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it. Then
I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on?
There in this lies the secret my friend.
8. So the meter displays that there is OBVIUOSLY a LARGE magnetic field inside the coil!!!!
9. So, it aint batteries and it aint radio waves, but it is electron flow of a high
order creating a large magnetic field. Or vice versa? Ha,Ha!!!
10. About the flame like discharge.Yes it does cause RF burns.
I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would
take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!
11. Yes, toroidal transformers have some very weird factors. Study the strange
factors.
12. Your interest in harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things.
But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic
resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does
my power unit.
13. Has anyone ever read the reports about our experiments with what was
called, the magnetic shadow casting material?
Those experiments tie in with to our development of the power unit.
14. I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However they do look like it.
15. Yes there is an inertia.
16. Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
17. Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
18. Yes Norbert, we did try them south of the equator, they work in reverse.
Can someone tell me why?
19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
20. You could describe the usable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
It really doesn?t have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
21. The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end. The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick. I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few seconds for
the coil to begin function at maximum effort
22. You see, one little kick amounts to nothing. However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick . .
23. I originally got the idea from electron circuits which us vacuum rectifiers like
the 5U4 GB
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or 5AR4 etc. ?? except when the two transformers get slightly out
of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one
another. ??. What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger
kick at the output.
24. When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together
I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario
of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they
are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a
collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.
25. The destructive heating caused by eddy currents, become the problem we
face when we make a really large powerful coil. Now you understand more
about the heating problem and why a fan doesn?t work.
26. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used vacuum tubes in his most
powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
27. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for some very
interesting thing I will mention to you some other time?..
28. In that book (?Lightning in his hand? by Nicola Tesla) it is related that Tesla
states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire travelling
in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single
wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right.
29. He (Tesla) noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively
sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. However
one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably.
It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting
to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn?t it?
30. He acquired better magneto meters and his research found that you could tune the magneto meters to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was usable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow.
31. If you had a short wire and you move the magnet across it, you would always
have limited potential because the length of the wire was so short.
Ok, now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length ,
even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a
much greater potential flow of power available.
If we out it into perspective of power per inch, it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire 12 inches long, it can generate an electron flow equal to let?s say 1 milivolt per inch.
If you move the magnetic 12 inches at the same speed , you get 12 milivolts
as you transgress the 12 inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principle that you can understand for use in the future. So you have a wire 12 inches long, and you can make 12 milivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it, you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 milivolts let?s say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power
with a weak magnetic force. Ok, how does this help us? Where am I going with this? Suppose you have 1000 pieces of wire 12 inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time??. You get the same flow of electrons. If the wires are run in series , then you will get the 12,000 milivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel, you will get a higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
32. If you know how to find a circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
33. How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to
generate large usable amounts of power.
34. My units behave exactly like common radios in one way.
U tune your radio to the station you desire and the closer you tune to the ideal
frequency, the stronger the amplification of the signal will be, and the better
the radio will collect and amplify the signals.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
35. My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are
tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the centre frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
36. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collects coils circumference.
Frequencies are directly related to the circumference (obvod) of the collector coil.
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for
amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
37. It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the
collector will instantly destroy it.
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to
make the thing properly work.
38. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn, that is why the control
units are so very important.
39. By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the
centre of the unit?
Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very
slowly. It speeds up faster and faster until it just stops. When it stops the unit is always operation at about its design maximum. We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect.
40. Instead, the TV just stumbled for one millisecond on the correct combination
of frequencies necessary to cause the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
41. I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from
during an atomic explosion. It is something else to think about. Perhaps in
connection with my power technology.
42. The very first example I gave you was that; it is common scientific knowledge
that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it, you will have
a small kick when first energized. The kick is universally attributed to the earths
magnetic field.
Ok, the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH.
Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO SHOW THIS
Next point; YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET MORE OUT OF A PIECE OF WIRE THAN YOU PUT INTO IT
We are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a
primary to secondary flux. We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electron and a method of measuring what comes out of it.
43. I told you that the simplest form of over unity is a piece of wire and a voltage
source. Anyone can actually connect it and measure.
See for yourself the kick. No coil no transformers, just a kick.
44. I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to
make many several thousands of kicks per second?.. and you know what, it isn?t difficult at all.
45. To further our discussion, the reason you cannot use small transformers within or in close at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of
magnetic flux.
46. tao
47. Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter. There are exact
points of interest 9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate.
9: Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet. I don?t
remember anyone answering this to your or Mr.Mark?s satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the strength of the magnet, but rather
the SPEED and distance at which the magnet is moved across the wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet a small piece of wire at the speed
of a gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage spike in that little
piece of wire. Conversely, if you could move that wire crossways through even
a weak magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid. He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his garage
with two lamps), he may be banging two opposed coils simultaneously with
spikes,, with the magnet forcing one direction, for the sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the ?magnetic flux North? (for the
lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250 times
per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo magnets in
an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.
13: When we look at the earth?s magnetic field, there are some weird things to
look at. Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate flux lines into a Mark device? Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field. However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a small
battery (who cares if there is a battery ? that point is moot when you look at
the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast as the bullet from a high
powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per second.
That is the key and it takes very little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device?s strange reaction to physical movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the speed at which the magnetic
flux moves.
48. Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a
magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things
suddenly change?
49. Also, #17, YES
17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful
magnetic vortex? Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?
50. I am pleased that you can clearly see the turbine?.
The interesting thing is how with the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving with inertia!
51. Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more
energy than the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not
make much difference?. There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.
Perhaps a smaller one is safer because the only thing that will stop a red
collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver. IE. The wires
all burn up.
52. We built many, many units with various combinations of collectors during out
experimental days.
53. About the collector: It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved (neprokladane). Three is important. You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large
power units if need be. The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
54. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch.
??. A heat sensor buried within the collector coil.
Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures
over voltage.
55. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. and you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons
through the collector coils.
56. Talking about the exploding tv set again:
I was trying to show among other things that there HAS to BE power from
somewhere!!! And this power has to be available all the time, everywhere.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from
the earth?s magnetic field. We believed that mainly because it is the obvious
choice. However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where
the power comes from.
57. Has anyone an explanation for the Oregon vortex?
58. After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already
sent you enough information to dupplicate my power units
59. By the way we found that ordinary multi strand lamp cable worked very well for use as a collector.
First the heavy gauge wire isn?t as efficient as the multi strand copper and also
there is safety advantage in using the multi strand lamp cable.
60. If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too much current
and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
61. Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two 9v batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the solid state control circuit.
62. Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.There need to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each. First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
63. When you eventually strike the cord look out. You will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.
64. In many of our designs we use three coils as the collector.
They can be run parallel to give higher current lower voltage output at excitation. They can be run in series to create high voltage, lower current when reaching the point of excitation.
We have used other multiples of run of wire as well in various units contruction.
65. Most of the successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a
collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
66. Please remember that I told you from the beginning that electron tube circuits work much more precisely then solid state units. Especially when first experimenting. Solid state circuits are very dirty and imprecise.
67. He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the
destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection.
68. #1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operatingconditions of SS devices.
#2. Soldering the components at least ? inch above the board itself isessential to making a good SS control out of discrete devices.
#3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!
69. Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the
operating coil?
Listen: when these units get going they FUCK with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. They have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down.
In most cases they will not even start up.
70. TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS (Solid State) control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate.
71. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easier to make one of these
things work if you use tubes as a control system rather than SS devices.
72. BUT, I guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector??aren?t they?
They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I?m not saying it is impossible, but it will be damn difficult for these guys to get more than a big bang once in a while.
73. It should be a lot easier to use tubes to strike the right cord and develop the
right sound to make the best sound.
74. If the unit generates more heat than power you are safe because it will
destroy itself long before it blows up.
We worked on that theory for a long time at UEC.
75. Lamp wire is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier.
76. I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high frequencies?..
77. I have a three channel system I listen to. Sometimes the three channels
combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
78. Gosh, the reason I just hate transistors is because they are so slow and
generate so much distortion!!!
79. Did you know that electron transit times in some tubes approach the speed of
light ?
80. I have designed some amps using MOSFET, etc. which sound very much like
tube amps.
However when I want to design a new amp I always start with tubes and
when I get them perfected I move on the MOSFETS?
81. I made an amp and had really difficult time with a 35k resonance. I had so
much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there. I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level. It is a good thing I can?t hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245
KHz. Which I measured.
82. HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker?s
circumference? It appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.
83. I use 15? speakers myself. They are 15? from the dead center of the outside
flange to the other side flange.
84. I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way
that passing the sound barrier was accomplished. Read how engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing design to accomplish supersonic speed in aircraft. I hope it will give you a picture of what going on inside the generator and especially the collector
85. Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000
miles an hour. The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is let?s say a figure of ten.
It will never become more than our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and It?s final dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example: Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well. Do you see how different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment?..Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another canon travelling at 1000 miles an hour?. Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the canon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on? The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold! The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
86. A long time ago, I said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an
automobile it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and
fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door
and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for
conversion.
87. Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge
amounts of energy. Even electrons??????????????
88. Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of the magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effect of the flux? My unit operates on these principles. Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. Electrons at the speed of light are now a possibility!
89. How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
90. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how
they interact?..
91. They also have no concept of how important the control frequencies are in
order to make power from the collector.
Hi Everyone,
Excellent compilation of info from SM comp-tech! As I was reading through some of them (for the millionth time), I found many many correlations that seem to corroborate my explanation of the production of DC on the collector coil! I'll list each item from your post with highlights on my points of interest and explain each one as it applies to my idea:
1. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to
achieve the demonstrated results.
OK, first point. Whatever is making this thing work is NOT EXOTIC from an engineering standpoint. Obviously one could delve into lots of theories about ZPE, Torsion/Scalar Fields, Radiant Energy, Magnetic Reconnection, Magnetostriction, etc (I've seen it all on these forums!) but the point here is that the methodology to get this thing going is SIMPLE. So I'm going to focus on concepts that I KNOW work to explain the TPU's operational characteristics.
The next point of interest is here:
19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
OK, First point. The thing has a rotating field! (I know this may sound redundant to most here, but this is for the newbies too). But the point is that the rotating field is NECESSARY for the operation of the device. So we can immediately rule out normal transformer action. A second reason to rule out transformer action is his explicit mention of the collector coil being perpendicular to the "many wires." Of course he makes this point even clearer in this next point:
62. Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
OK. Now we can see that at the very least, we have one or more "control" coils that are toroidally wound on the device, with one or more "collector" coils wrapped circumferentially around the device. I have an idea of why three coils is necessary but won't go into that at this point.
Now back to point 19. He explicitly states that it is this "rotating field" that "causes" the electrons to flow in the collector coil.... So therefore, one can obviously assume that without a rotating field, you get NO OUTPUT. Many of us have been pulsing coils in all kinds of different ways, but few people have explicitly tried to produce a rotating magnetic field in the device.... I believe that his point there is an explicit reference to the RMF current drive technique!
To backup my claims further:
31. If you had a short wire and you move the magnet across it, you would always
have limited potential because the length of the wire was so short.
OK, Now, before I go any further... what do you think Steven meant when he saif that the magnet goes "across" the wire? Think about it while reading the rest here:
Ok, now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length ,
even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we out it into perspective of power per inch, it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire 12 inches long, it can generate an electron flow equal to let?s say 1 milivolt per inch.
If you move the magnetic 12 inches at the same speed , you get 12 milivolts
as you transgress the 12 inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principle that you can understand for use in the future. So you have a wire 12 inches long, and you can make 12 milivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it, you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 milivolts let?s say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power
with a weak magnetic force. Ok, how does this help us? Where am I going with this? Suppose you have 1000 pieces of wire 12 inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time??. You get the same flow of electrons. If the wires are run in series , then you will get the 12,000 milivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel, you will get a higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
Ok, did you see my point there? I believe that many people when thinking about the magnet moving across the wire assumed that he was talking about the magnet's travel being perpendicular to the length of wire. But you can see that he is referring to the magnet being moved across the length of the wire!
But what you say? That makes no sense! You can't induce current in a wire that way.... YES You can! With the RMF Current Drive technique! So replace each instance of the word "across" with the word "along" and it will make more sense!
I'm not done yet! look at this other segment now:
55. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. and you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons
through the collector coils.
Yet more confirmation that the field is dragging electrons down the wire, not perpendicular to it like regular induction!
I have much more to add but will stop here for now. Let me know what you all think :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
Your interpretations does make sense. The reason you need at least 3 windings around the collector is to simulate a directional forcing/forming of the magnetic field.
I guess using electronics to generate the rotating magnetic field is still OK. If you notice, the Tesla patent also call's for electrically isolated core wires ( such as bailing wire formed in the shape of a loop ). Still, the core does not need to be ferrous.
This ties up also with jacks comment that the device does not have to be circular.
The rotation of the magnetic field must be tuned to match the collector's ability to pass the required current.
AM
Hi Comp-Tech, hi Jason,
I believe it has become obvious that SM could advance because he was "stupid" and therefore not handicapped by being intelligent, regardless of how he first came into possession of a TPU.
No educated person would move a magnet along a length of wire, because we are taught in school/university that doing such is totally stupid and makes no sense. We are taught that Faraday induction requires that the magnet has to move across the wire so that the wire is cutting magnetic lines of force. It is implied that there is no other way of inducing voltage/current into conductors.
So now we have to educate ourselves about Radiant Induction, which I will abbreviate with RI. RI is the induction from one conductor to another, whereby the conductors (or their planes) are orthogonal to each other. RI has the property that, while Lenz's law is applicable to Faraday Induction and can not be "gotten around" by any means, it is not subject to Lenz's law.
RI is best observed and used by utilizing Radiant Energy in one of the conductors or conductor planes. RE is defined as a not well understood phenomenon that occurs during the primary instant of a large voltage change with a fast transition time, before traditional, classical current starts flowing. RE does not stay in a conductor, but leaves a conductor, or conductor plane, in orthogonal direction(s). Direction is plural in the case of a spirally-wound RE transducer, for example, the RE "field" of a solenoid would be orthogonal to its magnetic field, even if the solenoid is bend into a toroid shape.
A conductor in the center of a spirally-wound, toroid-shaped RE transducer would be subject to intense interception of RE, thereby creating a RI between the non-primary and the non-secondary. Should this RE "spot" travel in a longitudinal fashion around the circumference the moving intense point of interception in the center collection conductor would push electrons in front of it, and pull electrons behind it. The central conductor would be forced to have one end much more positive than the other end, e.g. a DC voltage would appear on the central conductor. Unfortunately, the wake behind the moving RE interception point causes a lot of turbulence and therefore heating due to these undesired electron vortices. This heating is unavoidable; it is a by-product of pushing/pulling electrons along a length of wire. It is minimized by obligatory use of finest-possible HF litz wire. The OU effect arises because as these pulled electrons increase in speed due to increase of rotational velocity, they hit other atoms hard and fast enough to cause electron avalanche in the conducting central collector. Between electron avalanche and electron eddies, huge output power results, but the central conductor will heat up, eventually exponentially. It can not be excluded that wide-scale planetary deployment of billions of hot-spots is not in the interest of the human race.
The above I have called Earl's Theory of Everything TPU.
Not to panic, should the worst fears of my theory prove to be correct, I already have other ideas circulating in my head.
Earl
EDIT: I invent a new abbreviation: RRE = Rotating Radiant Energy
It seems that SM is probably an experimenter. He floats between DC electron 'kicks' and earth magnetic fields - from these phrases I do not see they are related to each other. The only way I see you can take energy out of earth magnetic field gradients is to create some kind of non-linear curvature of magnetic field space so that the potentials at different distances (e.g. 1km) are contained within a single TPU device. This sounds like a woodoo magic. DC kicks look more real. I'm pretty sure that people tend to describe unusual things with usual things - this is a normal behavior known for thousand years. But we should create unusual words and connections to be able to describe the unusual in a useful way. It's a known thing - earth's magnetic field's useful potentials are kilometers apart, I do not see a reason to tie to it. Well, there are a lot of interesting phenomenons may exist in relation to earth's magnetic field, but let's be real: only difference of potential allows us to extract any usable energy, and until the potential difference ceases to exist. Potential difference itself can be perceived as a flow of energy from point A to point B, so we can only take as much energy as there is available in such flow (but usually much less as with thermodynamics and Carnot's efficiency, for example).
Moreover he does mention that when frequencies sum they create a kick - this is the same thing as a sawtooth wave. In fact 'beating' usually mentioned by many can be created from sawtooth wave with some of its harmonic components being out of sync. When they all are in sync a pure sawtooth wave is created.
As I see SM (in relation to his device) also mentions 'atomic explosion' and magnetic anomalies it creates. And so I am - I'm continuing to push the idea that this TPU device is a controllable matter disintegrator. No more no less. (and of course, DC kicks are not related to earth's magnetic field - it's laughable considering earth's magnetic field's differential in any given point of space is diminishingly small and is close to static field while an energy from the magnetic gradient can be taken only if the induced object or magnetic field itself is moving/oscillating).
(it's also should be noted that voltage in circuit should pulse from 0 to X DC, not from X DC to Y DC - I've seen somebody's circuit with +12DC on one side and 0 to +5DC on pulse side, this isn't correct IMO as this is a matter integrator curcuit and should not produce surplus energy if any).
On the question of projectiles (just in case), there are evidences exist proving that a striking projectile creates excessive energy around the point of explosion. This is taken from analyzing the results of projectile's explosion: it may heat the surrounding object much higher than for the projected amount (which is kinetic energy of projectile + chemical energy of explosion). Not to mention EM-induced ice explosion (which as somebody suggested to me) during which ~7 times more energy is released than expended - though, I'm not sure about the details of this experiement.
Quote from: Jdo300 on March 22, 2008, 05:57:48 AM
Hi Everyone,
Excellent compilation of info from SM comp-tech! As I was reading through some of them (for the millionth time), I found many many correlations that seem to corroborate my explanation of the production of DC on the collector coil! I'll list each item from your post with highlights on my points of interest and explain each one as it applies to my idea:
1. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to
achieve the demonstrated results.
OK, first point. Whatever is making this thing work is NOT EXOTIC from an engineering standpoint. Obviously one could delve into lots of theories about ZPE, Torsion/Scalar Fields, Radiant Energy, Magnetic Reconnection, Magnetostriction, etc (I've seen it all on these forums!) but the point here is that the methodology to get this thing going is SIMPLE. So I'm going to focus on concepts that I KNOW work to explain the TPU's operational characteristics.
The next point of interest is here:
19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
OK, First point. The thing has a rotating field! (I know this may sound redundant to most here, but this is for the newbies too). But the point is that the rotating field is NECESSARY for the operation of the device. So we can immediately rule out normal transformer action. A second reason to rule out transformer action is his explicit mention of the collector coil being perpendicular to the "many wires." Of course he makes this point even clearer in this next point:
62. Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
OK. Now we can see that at the very least, we have one or more "control" coils that are toroidally wound on the device, with one or more "collector" coils wrapped circumferentially around the device. I have an idea of why three coils is necessary but won't go into that at this point.
Now back to point 19. He explicitly states that it is this "rotating field" that "causes" the electrons to flow in the collector coil.... So therefore, one can obviously assume that without a rotating field, you get NO OUTPUT. Many of us have been pulsing coils in all kinds of different ways, but few people have explicitly tried to produce a rotating magnetic field in the device.... I believe that his point there is an explicit reference to the RMF current drive technique!
To backup my claims further:
31. If you had a short wire and you move the magnet across it, you would always
have limited potential because the length of the wire was so short.
OK, Now, before I go any further... what do you think Steven meant when he saif that the magnet goes "across" the wire? Think about it while reading the rest here:
Ok, now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length ,
even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we out it into perspective of power per inch, it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire 12 inches long, it can generate an electron flow equal to let?s say 1 milivolt per inch.
If you move the magnetic 12 inches at the same speed , you get 12 milivolts
as you transgress the 12 inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principle that you can understand for use in the future. So you have a wire 12 inches long, and you can make 12 milivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it, you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 milivolts let?s say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power
with a weak magnetic force. Ok, how does this help us? Where am I going with this? Suppose you have 1000 pieces of wire 12 inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time??. You get the same flow of electrons. If the wires are run in series , then you will get the 12,000 milivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel, you will get a higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
Ok, did you see my point there? I believe that many people when thinking about the magnet moving across the wire assumed that he was talking about the magnet's travel being perpendicular to the length of wire. But you can see that he is referring to the magnet being moved across the length of the wire!
But what you say? That makes no sense! You can't induce current in a wire that way.... YES You can! With the RMF Current Drive technique! So replace each instance of the word "across" with the word "along" and it will make more sense!
I'm not done yet! look at this other segment now:
55. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. and you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons
through the collector coils.
Yet more confirmation that the field is dragging electrons down the wire, not perpendicular to it like regular induction!
I have much more to add but will stop here for now. Let me know what you all think :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
only for understanding. Do you mean, that we have to "push" the electrones around the circumference by a rotating magnetfield like in a particle accelerator ?
regards
Quote from: comp-tech on March 21, 2008, 10:52:44 PM
88. Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of the magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effect of the flux? My unit operates on these principles. Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. Electrons at the speed of light are now a possibility!
89. How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
This does not make sense as electrons may travel up to 1/5 of speed of light from published experimentation.
In my opinion, even if electrons travel at speed of light, statistically they will carry no excessive kinetic energy: some will add it some will take it. Only flow of electrons between potentials carries usable energy. All other electron energy is ambient energy that cannot be used as it is evenly distributed in all matter (it's thus non-differentiable or differentiable to 0).
Freder,
yes, I believe that is what Jason is saying.
In my post
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4299.msg84456.html#msg84456
I theorize that it is RRE (Rotating Radiant Energy) that is pushing and pulling the electrons around the circumference. Because there is no load reflected back to the non-primary due to free electron multiplication, the device is OU.
Eventually due to electron avalanche, the device goes into thermal runaway.
In other words, the device is NOT tuned to the magnetic field of the Earth, nor related to Schuman resonance, nor Schman energy receiver, etc. It is like running a comb through hair.
I could be right, I could be wrong.
Earl
Quote from: Jdo300 on March 22, 2008, 05:57:48 AM
Now back to point 19. He explicitly states that it is this "rotating field" that "causes" the electrons to flow in the collector coil.... So therefore, one can obviously assume that without a rotating field, you get NO OUTPUT. Many of us have been pulsing coils in all kinds of different ways, but few people have explicitly tried to produce a rotating magnetic field in the device.... I believe that his point there is an explicit reference to the RMF current drive technique!
After a bit of thought, induction of helix magnetic field created by coil wound around an insulated wire MAY help to take electrons off the matter under reduced gravity force. But this magnetic field should be created automatically when you start pulsing the coil, so there should be nothing added to the whole construction. On the other hand, having a pulse coil AND a coil that induces a constant helix magnetic field can be useful. It just have to be wound in a way so that it minimally interferences with the pulse coil: the ideal variant would be the DNA coiling - one coil carries sawtooth pulses and the other coil sustains a constant magnetic field that may push electrons forward along the insulated collector wire. Repeating: coils should not intersect when being wound on the insulated wire, tight wounding is not suggested as this way constant magnetic field will interfere with pulsing and will reduce the 'kick' effect.
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on March 22, 2008, 08:29:51 AM
Jason,
only for understanding. Do you mean, that we have to "push" the electrones around the circumference by a rotating magnetfield like in a particle accelerator ?
regards
Yes that's the basic idea, though I prefer to say that the electrons are "dragged" through the collector coil by the rotating field. Now there is one other component required to make this work. The rotating field alone will not do the job. Remember we need an E x B interaction, not just B. I will elaborate on this in a future post but for reference, check out the page on the MAGVID device:
http://www.usajohnsons.com/cool_energy_stuff/experiments/magvid.htm
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: aleks on March 22, 2008, 08:42:53 AM
Quote from: comp-tech on March 21, 2008, 10:52:44 PM
88. Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of the magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effect of the flux? My unit operates on these principles. Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. Electrons at the speed of light are now a possibility!
89. How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
This does not make sense as electrons may travel up to 1/5 of speed of light from published experimentation.
In my opinion, even if electrons travel at speed of light, statistically they will carry no excessive kinetic energy: some will add it some will take it. Only flow of electrons between potentials carries usable energy. All other electron energy is ambient energy that cannot be used as it is evenly distributed in all matter (it's thus non-differentiable or differentiable to 0).
This post is interesting. I think that Steven was referring to the idea of canceling the inductance in either the collector or the control windings so that you can generate fast pulses without them being gobbled up by the coils' inductance. At this point, I am led to believe that this applies to the control coils since these would be what we are pulsing to produce the rotating field.
God Bless,
Jason O
Insulated bailing/garden wire can be used to form the core. A DC bias through this core which is also the collector can maintain a constant magnetic field. I am not sure if the same can be achieved by placing permanent magnets along the collector.
May be a fridge type magnet formed in shape of a circle or just a toroidal magnet can be used as part of the form.
Quote from: Earl on March 22, 2008, 08:46:46 AM
Freder,
yes, I believe that is what Jason is saying.
In my post
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4299.msg84456.html#msg84456
I theorize that it is RRE (Rotating Radiant Energy) that is pushing and pulling the electrons around the circumference. Because there is no load reflected back to the non-primary due to free electron multiplication, the device is OU.
Eventually due to electron avalanche, the device goes into thermal runaway.
In other words, the device is NOT tuned to the magnetic field of the Earth, nor related to Schuman resonance, nor Schman energy receiver, etc. It is like running a comb through hair.
I could be right, I could be wrong.
Earl
Hi Earl,
I think your perspective is also correct as well. We may simply be looking at two sides of the same coin. The difference being that I'm assuming your effect would work better with impulses than sine waves, where the RMF current drive effect will work with a sinusoidal input (e.g. MAGVID). Though I personally prefer impulses for a whole host of reasons.
I have many more points to make on this subject but I'm going to crash now since I've been up all night brainstorming. Happy hunting!
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jdo300,
Regarding your image posted on the previous page: are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Quote from: AhuraMazda on March 22, 2008, 10:01:23 AM
Insulated bailing/garden wire can be used to form the core. A DC bias through this core which is also the collector can maintain a constant magnetic field. I am not sure if the same can be achieved by placing permanent magnets along the collector.
May be a fridge type magnet formed in shape of a circle or just a toroidal magnet can be used as part of the form.
The induced helix magnetic field looks interesting as it also acts as a "director" for the electrons so that they are concentrated along the insulated collector wire. This should have a positive impact on the amperage and should reduce RF emissions. I'm not sure the same result can be achieved with a constant magnet: first of all, its field is not helix, and secondly its force lines cannot be made biased to some direction. I think only DC electric flow may induce magnetic field with at least some magnetic force bias. Such helix magnetic field works as a screw guide and a screw driver at the same time.
The insulated core wire should not be connected to voltage source since it is itself should become a voltage source (well, of course if these speculations prove valid).
Such helix magnetic field is not a requirement, but from my speculation it may optimize the performance. The possible problem with pulsing the coil is that during sawtooth pulse rise time, the magnetic field is created and the correct direction is given, but during pulse fadeout time the magnetic field loses its strength and the direction is lost. Additional coil with DC current will be giving a direction all the time. Being wound in DNA double coil manner with the pulse coil it won't interfere with the pulses.
(on the matter of implosion, I've found an interesting page about the Manhattan project: http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/mp/p4s37.shtml Implosion added a lot to the atomic bomb).
Hello everybody and Happy Easter to everyone!
@ Mannix: Lindsay, do you remember these frases? Could you, please add or correct the SM's frases if you see anything incorrect in my post, just to avoid any possible confusion?
@ Jack Durban: I would like to ask you to do the same, please.
@ Jdo300 : Thank you. Excellent points. Do not also forget the batteries which SM mentiones there.
Let's put aside any personal relationships or sexual orientations. That's not the point here. We just need to solve the puzzle. :)
We are NOT dealing with normal electron flow its been well documented by all the past OU inventors that there are many forms of electricity and they simply do not follow the normal rules of generation supply and transmission. The TPU produces rather "static" electricity then normal electron flow thus the laws that every one tries to imply can or cant work simply do not relate.
The basis of OU is non reciprocal so that the energy produced is not reabsorbed. This applies to the various motor/generators that have been invented over the years that the action of the magnets and coils produce energy which is dumped into caps so that the produced energy does not become reciprocal in taken back that energy. In other words the very fundamental basis is a ONE WAY valve.
Likewise when someone says that moving a magnet along a piece of wire doesn't do anything Who says so? We know conventionally at least the effect does effect iron as moving the magnet along it will cause the iron to become magnetized. It must therefore do something in copper wire. It may not have an effect on a normal electron unless we cut perpendicular but we never wanted to produce a normal electron we produced a static electric charge instead. High voltage "static" streams have very different characteristic to a similar voltage conventional electron flow and the difference is clear when they are shot across a spark gap or shorted.
These can be pushed along the copper wire and forced to accelerate till they fly out with such force and become polaried with refence to the negative side which has become depleted of the static charge. Thats why the TPU produces DC nor AC. A potential difference will only exist when an inbalance has been created. By creating a depletion creates more energy into trying to correct that depletion then creating the depletion to start with. This is 100% opposite to normal electron flow. Normal electron flow requires WORK but the energy produced to correct the PD is small and reciprocal.
However please don't think the TPU contains iron wire. SM made reference to bailing wire meaning junk laying around not iron wire but then later as he knew this would create confusion made very specific reference to the coils being copper wire. He further states that speaker or lamp wire works best.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
We are NOT dealing with normal electron flow its been well documented by all the past OU inventors that there are many forms of electricity and they simply do not follow the normal rules of generation supply and transmission.
The flow may not be normal, but it should be related to electrons if we are dealing with solid state conductors. Ionic flow is only possible in fluids and gases to my knowledge as ions cannot travel freely inside solid wire. I think that these OU devices turn matter's electrons into free electrons thus disintegrating matter and probably releasing various other particles in the process. The instant kinetic and RF energy freed together with these particles is fed into the collector wire and hence we have a power source. The only question I personally have is what disintegrates first: is it air atoms that disintegrate, or wire's atoms? For sure, ones that are less stable.
@alecks
You've been working hard thankyou! I believe the bailing wire becomes a receiver of ambient magnetic field fluctuations. It is tuned to any wave length not by the potential energy or amplitude of the wave or frequency but by the magnetic information of the wave. So the rest of the system knows when where and how the "signal" is coming. IRON HAS INTELLIGENCE!!! It senses reacts and remembers. The rest of the system by scanning the iron core flux density changes now knows what is necessary to dance with the energy wave.
(We disintegrate matter everytime we take an electron out of an atoms spin resonance. E=MC2v1-v2)
Quote from: sparks on March 22, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
You've been working hard thankyou! I believe the bailing wire becomes a receiver of ambient magnetic field fluctuations. It is tuned to any wave length not by the potential energy or amplitude of the wave or frequency but by the magnetic information of the wave. So the rest of the system knows when where and how the "signal" is coming. IRON HAS INTELLIGENCE!!! It senses reacts and remembers. The rest of the system by scanning the iron core flux density changes now knows what is necessary to dance with the energy wave.
Thanks, hope my mental exercises are helpful for at least a small fraction.
Of course, iron has "intelligence" which is of magnetic domain nature, and domain orientation may cause deviations in electron flow. It's like drawing/imprinting tracks on a sand and letting water flow through them. The water will flow along these tracks - leaving surrounding sand untouched. And then we can "reset" the tracks and create a new "picture". Helix magnetic field should do the same on the insulated core ferromagnetic wire: it will "imprint" tracks on it that will work as waveguides for electron flow. I think :)
Quote from: EMdevices on March 21, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
thanks for that info Jason, it sounds interesting.
My take on this is quite simple. It works in conductors as well. It's a type of eddy current phenomenon perhaps.
Here's an illustration. Note that due to the relative velocity between a magnetic vector and charge carriers, they are imparted a force and a current occurs normal to the disk. This is calculated as (j = k(v x B)), where 'v' is the velocity of the charge relative to the magnetic field 'B', and 'k' a constant(conductivity). This current density is labeled as 'j', and integrated over a surface would give the curent 'i' in amps. Now this current further interacts with the magneitc field, and if you do a (j x B) calculation, it results in a vector labled 'F' , or force on the charge carriers that is imparted by the rotating magnetic vector. So it's a type of drag, and there has to be slip or it doesn't work (slip is relative velocity between the charge carriers draged along and the rotating B vector) In a conductor, this results in actual drag on the disk (you can physicaly spin the disk) the same as in an AC motor.
An intersting thing to note is that the ultimate direction for the drag is the same for (+) or (-) charges. The actual charge that moves depends on the type of material and what the charge carriers it has. I'm sure there are finer details to the actual motion of the charges, but this should give a good idea what's involved.
EM
EM, according your analysis, and based on my understanding of it, F=jxB=k(VxB)xB and this comes differently on the conventional electrodynamic book knowledge that gives F=q((V/c)xB), if from this we put q/c=k as scalars we have F=k(VxB) and as (VxB) is not equal to (VxB)xB it put me in to the thinking mode ... will it be possible to try to clarity what could cause the difference ... Or maybe I am making mistake in my interpretation.
thanks,
SAS
QuoteThe flow may not be normal, but it should be related to electrons if we are dealing with solid state conductors.
im not sure they are identical but they still pass through wires caps and coils. You fly a kite during a thunder storm chances are it will be hit by lightning and will lead straight back down to earth if the kite flies on copper wire. The energy only exist while the static charge is making up for the depletion of charge on the negative side for the time it takes to equalize the depletion. I don't know how one would calculate this but i bet the energy required to create the thunderstorm power is insignificant to the energy released when the PD decides its enough to bring itself back to parity which clearly is in the thousands mega watts range. This is natures OU device. In other words the storm clouds are the catalysts so to speak there is NOT megawatts floating inside of that cloud par se.
People of said for many years we only need to harness the power of lightning to power a city. Tesla knew and did this all those years ago. He realized the real power was NOT in the clouds but occurs when the charge is moving rapidly to cover the depletion. Therefore all one has to do is create a constant depletion and pull the static charges apart and the power will flow. It only takes voltage of this type to create the depletion. Bearden says the same. If you create a dipole you have all the energy you even wanted but ONLY if you do not allow the dipole to collapse.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 12:17:43 PMPeople of said for many years we only need to harness the power of lightning to power a city.
The static charge does not like to be scattered around. How can you tap the charge if it's only contained in a cloud? Telsa was a genious no doubt, but even genious changes his mind from time to time. Of course, I understand what you are trying to say, but in order to create depletion you should invest energy. Why do you think this depletion will be filled with a lot more energy than you've invested? Can you create waves on the water if you slap it with your hand of energy higher than what you put into slapping? Well, some guys happen to be able to get more heat from water with their chess-order drilled rotors, but they are doing nothing more than creating implosions (collapsing cavities). This is another example of excess energy not related to earth's magnetic field. I've collected a lot of evidences where implosions produce excessive energy: ranging from atomic bomb to spark gap.
SM told you to pay attention to this fact im am describing. When you realize you are not dealing with conventional electron flow or certainly not the generation part of it anyway but in laymens terms its a lightning generator.
"Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his
hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all
kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different
directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through
a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!
Alecs the lightning charge is the closest that most people can associate with this type of technology. Im not suggesting the charge is in a cloud and that the only place it exist but it does exist there during a storm as well as anywhere else.
"but in order to create depletion you should invest energy."
No not this energy this is the basis of all the OU devices. When its done correctly the amount of energy required to create a depletion is nothing compared to the resultantly energy that come back for the correction. Im not saying this is the only type of non conventional electron flow either. Thrapp says there is over over 20 forms.
In the motor guise like the Edin Gray motor his invention produces a depletion of charge which is split into caps and stored. When these charges try to equalize the amount of power is massive on the rebound which is used to power the coils to provide the magnetic field to drive his motor. Likewise with Newman's big motor on yourtube his little stack of 9 volt batteries only provide for the depletion of the static charge biased to another. The resultant energy that comes after to correct this imbalance is massive and its this that is used to power the motor coils and to produce the magnetic force NOT the pp3 batteries. You can see a small magnet dangling on string spinning around on the workshop wall some 10 ft way from the motor to give an idea of the field thats generated.
It only take volts not current to make depletion but the result is volts with amps coming back.
@comp-tech
Compiling quotes is a dime a dozen. And this is only your second post with such a long nothing. If you want to really be useful and sincere, go back to the threads where these quotes originated and understand the discussions that were in progress when these quotes were made. Then write us a long synopsis with a psychological profile of the person making them in context. You will realize that 80% of them originated after a progression of discussion from other board members here and not from a statement quoted. The quotes were a progression of our discussions and not the other way around. As if the provider of the quote did not know first hand what to say. The word collector, control coil, etc., was coined by people here, not by the quotee. I have done this exercise and have noticed only one major point, these quotes are bugus and only designed to string people along when the quotes were made in the progression of a discussion done over a year ago on the two main threads. When you read them carefully, when you position them in the physical sense, you will realize there are contradictions there that only an non knowledgeable person making them could make because they do not realize the impact of one quote against the other. lol
Case in point. When the three stack TPU was first suggested on this forum to describe the TPU, this was from forum members. At that time I was totally flabbergasted because there was no f(*kin way in hell that this TPU exhibited any 3 stack function. There was absolutely no tangible proof of this besides the illusions people were seeing in the cut TPU. But wouldn't you know it SM comes in afterwards as gives his other now famous quotes. Give me a f(*kin break already.
You registered here on March 18th, 2008.
Your first post was about spherics.
Your second post was the long SM quote list. Big deal.
Your third post and you are already talking to Mannix.
So make yourself right at home here because I know now you have an ulterior motive here and it is probably to slam the same old bullshit in our eyes. This is what I would call a "plant".
Sorry but I don't buy it. Who the f*&k are you really. lol
Not everybody here sleeps at the switch.
You want to play with these great minds, well you'll have to pass through me first.
Guys, do you want to progress or do you want to go round in circles cause this guy just pitched you a nice U turn. Snap out of it will ya.
Sorry but I don't buy this bullshit. Forget what was said by SM and look at the device for what it f*&kin is already. There are more then enough CONCRETE observations available without having to rely on he said, or she said, who knows anymore. lol
Sorry but I am about to puke.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 12:53:37 PMIt only take volts not current to make depletion but the result is volts with amps coming back.
You do not get me it seems. You are describing second order effects while I'm trying to turn your head toward the possible source of the energy. In all situations of depletion what you are doing is creating a turmoil in atomic lattice of surrounding matter that leads to phonon-level collisions between atoms. During constant electric flow the atoms take their comfortable positions and so nothing fancy happens. The alike collisions happen in sonoluminescence effect when the sides of an overly compressed bubble come into contact in oscillatory manner after resonance is achieved. This releases enormous amounts of blue light energy. This is an OU device in layman's terms. According to my hypothesis the cause of this is that during implosions an anti-gravity field is created. Gravity is thought to be as ultra small power, but I believe it is so because it is not understood well. In normal conditions gravity is a negligible force, but it does not mean you can't change it to a considerable deviation where it becomes heavier and so influences matter in not so conventional ways.
As for the current flowing into several directions in the same wire this should not be a problem with a correct setup as it is known that electron flow happens on the edges of a wire. So, all you need is to create such edges on internal layers. It's the same thing as your average coaxial cable: you may use the core wire and shielding independently. This does not require existence of some 'strange' electrons.
Electrons are really just energy-carrying particles. When we are talking about a static electricity I believe what we are really doing is talking about average kinetic energy difference between arrays of free electrons contained in two different volumes of matter. When these volumes come into contact the energy is proportionally equalized and it is during this flow of energy when you can take some of it to do a useful work.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 12:17:43 PM
QuoteThe flow may not be normal, but it should be related to electrons if we are dealing with solid state conductors.
im not sure they are identical but they still pass through wires caps and coils. You fly a kite during a thunder storm chances are it will be hit by lightning and will lead straight back down to earth if the kite flies on copper wire. The energy only exist while the static charge is making up for the depletion of charge on the negative side for the time it takes to equalize the depletion. I don't know how one would calculate this but i bet the energy required to create the thunderstorm power is insignificant to the energy released when the PD decides its enough to bring itself back to parity which clearly is in the thousands mega watts range. This is natures OU device. In other words the storm clouds are the catalysts so to speak there is NOT megawatts floating inside of that cloud par se.
People of said for many years we only need to harness the power of lightning to power a city. Tesla knew and did this all those years ago. He realized the real power was NOT in the clouds but occurs when the charge is moving rapidly to cover the depletion. Therefore all one has to do is create a constant depletion and pull the static charges apart and the power will flow. It only takes voltage of this type to create the depletion. Bearden says the same. If you create a dipole you have all the energy you even wanted but ONLY if you do not allow the dipole to collapse..
The voltage gradient inside the tpu ring forms a low pressure area which aetheric potential energy attempts to fill. It encounters the torroidal coil which reflects this input and sets up an oscillation. By creating a spin componenet in the oscillations you effectively create matter which is a potential energy storage unit. The problem being as you collect more and more potential energy in this new form of matter you get overloading of the circuits that create the reflections and she gets hot and needs to be shut down SLOWLY or you get an EMP shock wave. The other method is to off tune the reflection and should be accomplished with feedback circuits that are responding to the amount of energy stored in the mass at a high frequency interval and low reactive interval.
"while I'm trying to turn your head toward the possible source of the energy."
Im not sure its even important. SM did not know exactly where the energy for the TPU comes from. We can all speculate that is gravitational or Schumann resonance or static electricity or gravitons or or or whatever. It doesn't really matter. I think you are getting so deep in the theory it becomes a hypothesis rather then whats actually required to make it happen. Instead of describing an internal combustion engine with air and fuel mix going in with resultant force applied to the pistons you are trying to justify the argument at atomic level at the point of explosion to justify why gas burns to provide the energy. Even of you get this part correct you still don't know how the engine works but neither did it prevent any of the other inventors producing their technology. Because non of them truly understood what was given this power they all called it something different like Radiant Energy or Cold Electricity or something.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 01:39:07 PMBecause non of them truly understood what was given this power they all called it something different like Radiant Energy or Cold Electricity or something.
You are right, but I do not see a schematic released under GPL that works in 100% of replication cases. What I'm personally trying to do is to offer some base on which such schematic can stay. In the essence I'm limiting levels of freedom concerning these devices. If this is not done, no way a 100% working schematic can be created. As you've noted with combustion engine, as everybody knows a base of its functioning everyone can make it with some effort, from the scratch. With TPU it's not the case. I do not see a reason to be angry on my hypotheses: I'm at no power to convince anybody they are correct. I only hope they'll lead someone in a fruitful direction.
The question is,
Is there a BEMF opposing the movement of the magnet, when the magnet is moved ALONG (parallel) to the straight piece of wire, and the ands of the wire are connected to a load?
If there is no BEMF, then this is OU.
So then, in the torroid, the secondary is the core and the collector at the same time?
Is the rest simply timing to get the field to move, instead of a straight line, in a circle, in this case rotate over (along and around) the collector.?
QuoteI do not see a reason to be angry on my hypotheses
Oh not at all Aleks at best friendly Saturday banter LOL
At the end of the day the only ones will know will not be armchair builders. Only the ones to roll up their sleeves will find out but i think we all agreed in the 5 mio posts on here that the TPU is NOT that difficult to build once a concept has been established and it most likely defy conventional electronic law because this is unconventional and the biggest lead we have is the similarity to other OU inventions and the inventors have all suggested they are powered by something other then conventional electron flow.
This thread shoud not have ever been started , it's like sticking a 2x4 in the spokes os a bicycle going down hill. Damm i know a lot of shit and you don't see me running down the street waveing my hands in the air , I could list a lot of people in this SM arena and make all you people say Damm he knows something and everyone runs to that corrner , WHAT A JOKE ---- now I do belive there is away to do this and as i have mention before in my earyer post about descrete parts is soooo true and not much SS circutry. something to ponder mmmmm http://amasci.com/tesla/nearfld1.html thanks
Quote from: aleks on March 22, 2008, 01:12:31 PM
According to my hypothesis the cause of this is that during implosions an anti-gravity field is created. Gravity is thought to be as ultra small power, but I believe it is so because it is not understood well. In normal conditions gravity is a negligible force, but it does not mean you can't change it to a considerable deviation where it becomes heavier and so influences matter in not so conventional ways.
IMO, the electromagnetic field is a special case of gravity. The combination of toroidal and poloidal angular momenta in charged particles imparts a global helicity to spacetime, which is interpreted as EM. From this perspective, gravity is the
only "force". The trick is to convert between the longitudinal and torsional components of the gravity field. A "vortex implosion" sure seems like a good candidate for achieving this. Perhaps the energy flow in the TPU emulates that of a charged particle, with the toroidal and poloidal fluxes "locked into" some harmonious combination.
Quote from: Motorcoach1 on March 22, 2008, 02:07:11 PMhttp://amasci.com/tesla/nearfld1.html thanks
Well, can you do the same with DC electric field, or earth's magnetic field, which is also close to DC? This looks like comparison of apples to oranges. Nevertheless it's an interesting read that shows a situation of non-linear interaction of EM fields.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 01:39:07 PM
... think you are getting so deep in the theory it becomes a hypothesis rather then whats actually required to make it happen. Instead of describing an internal combustion engine with air and fuel mix going in with resultant force applied to the pistons you are trying to justify the argument at atomic level at the point of explosion to justify why gas burns to provide the energy. Even of you get this part correct you still don't know how the engine works but neither did it prevent any of the other inventors producing their technology...
Theory and experiment should inform each other.
One part of me says, "Let's just build the blasted thing and figure out the theory later",
while the other part says, "We need a theory upon which to base our design"
It's a bit of a pickle.
Quote from: zerotensor on March 22, 2008, 02:18:01 PM
IMO, the electromagnetic field is a special case of gravity. The combination of toroidal and poloidal angular momenta in charged particles imparts a global helicity to spacetime, which is interpreted as EM. From this perspective, gravity is the only "force". The trick is to convert between the longitudinal and torsional components of the gravity field. A "vortex implosion" sure seems like a good candidate for achieving this. Perhaps the energy flow in the TPU emulates that of a charged particle, with the toroidal and poloidal fluxes "locked into" some harmonious combination.
Well, I'm not that much fluent with your language, so can't comment on it, sorry. Is there any evidence that gravity field has some 'longitudinal and torsional' components? Of course, if we do not call up mythical gravitons that cannot be even detected in reality. Experiment with sonoluminescence does not require 'vortex' of any kind, but it does deal with atomic structure and particles it seems. Unfortunately, conventional science seem to avoid to discuss energy efficiency aspect of sonoluminescence. According to Hans von Lieven's http://keelytech.com/sonoluminescence.html the released energy is ultra-high. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescense the power of each light burst is 1-10mW (should be microwatts), but it does not mention frequency. Hans von Lieven's page mentions 100mHz ("vibrating with extreme regularity every 100 millionths of a second"). Multiply 100mHz by 5 mW and you'll have 500W of laser-like blue-ultraviolet energy. If you'll try to emit as much acoustic energy you'll destroy the equipment (which is just a glass filled with water). Typical ultrasonic buzzers are rated 0.2W for 100 dB SPL @ 10" - you can get an incredible input/output ratio (1000 fold - more than most TPUs can offer :). This should be probably treated as another free energy source. Can anybody suggest a "catcher" for the light beam to convert it into electric current?
Mr. Durban said one word "Dominant" that was caught by Erfinder and very well explained.
Mr. Durban said two other words "reed switch". lol
Try this at home. It works.
Regarding Hendershot, think of his device as an AC producing system, whereas 1 TPU device produces DC and 2 TPU devices would then produce AC if they were phased at 180 degrees. lol
Look carefully at the Hendershot device because it is all there.
I would say four vertical coils at 90 degress each but each coil is actual two coils, two wires are wound together, that's 8 coils. Each coil is paired with its 180 degree opposite making 4 pairs. Now concentrate on the flyback which is 100 times more voltage then the initial voltage pulsed to the coils. The bifilar type (but not bilifar in connection) will reduce BEMF. Yey I know I hate that word. I will make a diagram soon.
Im gonna start a new thread called. The real and final way to make a TPU. Why not? everyone else has one LOL
sparks i seen that before its interesting im not sure how well it works as a TPU design.
To my mind there is 5 common stages to producing a TPU device
1) create the initial conditions to create a static dominant charge that exists everywhere to create a PD. This is our dipole now we have a positive and negative charge on each end but its too weak to do anything.
2)Increase the PD still higher using a charge pump. This creates a higher PD by depletion on the negative charge on our dipole which will force the positive to become more positive.. It now has PD but no current its basically high voltage static electricity.
3) now push this static dominant charge along the copper wire using a very weak rotating magnetic force on both the positive AND negative side of the dipole at first a tiny 9 volt battery circuit is plenty.
4)Note we are not dealing with conventional current flow at this time thus there is no drag and no back emf or other nasties. However the faster the spin the higher order the static dominant goes to yielding a REAL increase in power on each side of the dipole. The dipole wants to collapse but the energy generated is much higher then the order in which to keep the spin going. Its DC too because we are forcing the depletion on one side. At this point some of the energy is fed back to the coil to provide the rotation in the form of electro magnetic energy to keep the dominant spinning so the process starts off slow and winds up. We can do this because unlike a normal electron flow dominant does not try to resist our efforts to drive it with magnetic field.
5) there is now real power between the dipole ends. As a load is presented to the dipole its only purpose in life is to collapse to kill the dipole however the amount of energy it will provide in trying to close the dipole is massive yet the energy required to create this condition is tiny. Remember like lightning there is only the catalyst for power till the very moment the PD tries to return to zero. It take very little power to produce the precursor. We have PD and the current is created by the spin therefore we have power. The introduction of electromagnetic spin creates heat this is conventional nothing we can do about this but the energy available is infinitively greater then the energy required to maintain the spin.
Food for thought
A lightning charge contains 30 million volts at 100,000 amperes.
The total energy in a large thunderstorm is more than that in an atomic bomb.
what lets think about this for a second. Where does lightning get all this power from? More then an atomic bomb and 30 million volts at 100,000 amperes and this comes out of a cloud? No it cant do unless Tesla is rights and this energy comes from the ether thats the only possible explanation and there is no magnets and coils up there either:)
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on March 22, 2008, 01:54:47 PM
The question is,
Is there a BEMF opposing the movement of the magnet, when the magnet is moved ALONG (parallel) to the straight piece of wire, and the ands of the wire are connected to a load?
If there is no BEMF, then this is OU.
So then, in the torroid, the secondary is the core and the collector at the same time?
Is the rest simply timing to get the field to move, instead of a straight line, in a circle, in this case rotate over (along and around) the collector.?
I believe all Bemf is caused by the ambient magnetic field regaining control of space more or less. So this is a form of "energy"that needs to be collected.
Quote from: bolt on March 22, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
Food for thought
A lightning charge contains 30 million volts at 100,000 amperes.
The total energy in a large thunderstorm is more than that in an atomic bomb.
what lets think about this for a second. Where does lightning get all this power from? More then an atomic bomb and 30 million volts at 100,000 amperes and this comes out of a cloud? No it cant do unless Tesla is rights and this energy comes from the ether thats the only possible explanation and there is no magnets and coils up there either:)
I've offered a 'simple' explanation in another thread. Surface of earth rotating against the atmosphere (which in no way can be hard sync'ed to earth's rotation) causes friction that builds up static electricity in coulds. It's enormous power if you think about it considering anything that enters atmosphere at enough velocity literally burns. Earth's surface also "burns". In my opinion such friction is also a cause of Schumann resonance (which itself is said to be tightly related to lightning activity).
Added to that is the possibility of hydrogen being released and ignited in sequence by the charge?
Regards...
So, has anybody had email contact with
Jack Durban after the interview ?
I have not seen him come over here yet...
I just see, that Sterling posted an after the interview statement of
Jack:
here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
Post-Interview Comment
On March 20, 2008, Jack Durban wrote:
I would like to add the following...
This was part of an email of 20 March 08, between myself and one of the respected elders in the movement to reproduce the SM Device. This email is redacted and only shows one question of many and my position on Steven Mark to clarify my motives in this matter.
> "I think that you offered some sound inspiration but i
> did not see how knocking him technically helps as
> there may come a time when he will be more forth
> coming"
Let?s examine this situation.
1. If there ever was a man deserving of some knocking it is Steven Mark. I understand that you guys are walking on egg shells with this guy with the hopes that he will someday reveal the final formula; but there is little reason to believe beyond hope and despair that he ever will reveal the final answer.
2. Megalomaniacs like Steven need an audience to feed their narcissistic appetite. To give anyone the final keys to making the device work would be cutting the umbilical cord to his adoring fans. All he could gain from such an act is a thank you. Remember, Steven knows how to make these already. If he wanted to help you or anyone else he could have without hesitation long ago.
3. There are several others doing this and are well beyond where Steven is. Once he realizes this watch how quickly he comes forward to help when his obsolescence becomes a self realization and his fan base loses interest.
The reason I came forth yesterday was to tell the truth about what I experienced while working with Steven Mark. Contrary to some of the less than friendly posts regarding my inability to shed any light any light on the technology beyond what is already known, I never represented that I possessed or would reveal anything of a technical nature that would further any development underway. If I had I certainly would have finished the device myself.
What was a payoff? None for myself. Most of the feedback I received publicly was negative. The only payoff I can hope for is that if a guy like Steven Mark, a hustler and tinkerer with less than extraordinary intellect was able to reproduce this free energy device there is hope for others to replicate this device also as many others have to date.
I apologize for offending those who are still drinking the Steven Mark Koolaid but I don?t think most of you know of or appreciate the trail of shattered dreams and victims left in this mans? wake.
All the Best,
Jack Durban
======================
Does this mean, Jack does not want to help us solve the mystery ?
QuoteWhat was a payoff? None for myself.
Did he only come forward, caused he hoped to make lots of money with it ,
but hen realized, that others had already much more infos than he himself ever had ?
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 22, 2008, 06:17:11 PM
So, has anybody had email contact with
Jack Durban after the interview ?
......
3...... If I had I certainly would have finished the device myself.
...
All the Best,
Jack Durban
======================
Does this mean, Jack does not want to help us solve the mystery ?
Stephan:
So, did he not already said he knows nothing?
What do you expect him to tell you? He said he has no clue.
He also mentioned there are people who are far ahead of Steven M. OK. On what basis? Why aren't they sharing their findings with him? Maybe they exists only in his wild imagination.
IMO, just move on. Nothing to see here.
cheers
chrisC
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Just what I was afraid of, Stefan. People can't play nice and the lack of diplomacy is unbelievable.
EM
Here are a few of my observations that are clear from interview.
1.) Jack Durban is not a very technical person. And is more of a Salesman/ Marketing guy, who "brings products to market"
2.) He doesn't really know if the TPU was a real working device, even though he swears that it did work. He claims that the orientation of the coils aren't critical, though he admits he doesn't know how it works.
3.) He wanted to portray SM as a shady character.
4.) He was interested in forming, or finding, a group to help recreate the TPU
5.) He has a photographic memory, but he can't remember a significant patent number
6.) He was a good story teller
Ok, since we are on the topic of finding faults with the Jack interview, I do have one question as well.
What NDAs expired?
When you sign a Non Disclosure Agreement, you are exposed to certain info that you can't disclose.
What was Jack exposed to?
1) To the fact Steven was gay?
2) To the fact his 3D audio technology was fake?
These are the only two "bombshells" he disclosed in the interview.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on March 22, 2008, 11:03:35 PM
Just what I was afraid of, Stefan. People can't play nice and the lack of diplomacy is unbelievable.
EM
Add to that a load of mind-numbing rhetoric.
It's best Jack NOT come here for fear he'll be scared off.
Let's hope he posts the video at his website though.
@ Fatbird
SM's device works the same way. You develop a low pressure electrical zone then reflect and spin the incoming energy trying to fill the void. This begins resonating and spinning which is basically what all matter does. The whole issue now is how to do it safely without overheat problems and electromagnetic distructive pulses if the newly formed matter goes radiant in nanoseconds.
@all
I think what is most important in Mr. Durban's remarks is that he confirms the overheat problem. SM is heard scolding someone about pulling load on one getting hot and he only had two of them. Of course they are getting hot because the more energy you remove from the system the more amplitude is being handled by your little conductors. Remember what SM said about how engineers busted the sound barrier. Did he bust his overheat problem? I doubt it. Having the aetheric energy create matter and at the same time try to pull energy out of the matter in a predictable safe flow is something that needs team work as a minimum requirement put aside the financial backing and siting of such a potentially dangerous process.
It's been a while but I can say this I invented the home theater speaker system , thats a fact and i can prove it. so that said moving on. If I remember correctly the company Spherics was trying to perpetrate a fraud in it's sound system. Carver amplifiers sent a cease and dissist order to them not to use their technology of the digital delay circuit they so coveted. when this happened they still tryed to pull off the sound system and got sueed, but not by Carver. As far as Mr Durban goes he just had a contract to SM and did his part , I hope he wasn't in it for other reasons. so enought said move on
Hi Guy's :)
Jack said yesterday he'd take a break this weekend to locate the video.
I don't blame him for not comming here.... this place looks like a battlefield.
M.
@Jason,
RMF
Read your bit about rotating magnetic fields.
Have a look at this article about 2 phase and 3 phase rotating magnetic fields:
http://www.tpub.com/neets/book5/18a.htm
http://www.tpub.com/neets/book5/18b.htm
It shows that to create a rotating field you need a 2 phase or 3 phase supply.
So for 2 phase you need 4 coils and for 3 phase 6 coils (so its phase x 2 = number of coils).
We know that there are 4 coils so it makes sense that the input should be 2 phase.
The AD9959 can handle 4 phase so we could make a finely stepped rotating field with 8 coils.
Only bit I'm not sure on is if you can get current flow in a copper coil running around the inside of the stator field.
The reference you refered to was for a plasma.
The outputs from a flip-flop being feed by a signal gen. will provide a kind of 2 phase but it has no direction because it is not sinusoidal.
Go to three pulses and you have direction but you now need 6 control coils to get your rotating field or 3 coils if you don't need to pair them up as is required in a 3 phase motor.
The TPUs people have shown so far have control coils that follow circumference of the toroid, maybe they should be centre facing or say 45 degrees off centre of the toroid.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: FatBird on March 22, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
SPARKS posted a Aether Votex Unit Diagram photo about 20 posts back.
I did a search & found a site where they claimed working units:
http://dallastexas.net/PinkyAndTheBrain/archive/
The following is a SAMPLE EXCERPT of 1 of the posts from that URL SITE above. Does anyone know anything about this?
=========================================================
Here is a summary of the specs of my very crude duplication of Clifford Hazelton's free energy device. Two aluminum plate 6 inches in diameter and 4.25 inches apart. Alu plates are horizontal, flat. The plates are fed with a high voltage coil which puts out about 25 to 30 KV at one watt of power. That is very low power. It takes 15 minutes to charge a 25 KV capacitor bank that can be hooked to the supply.
For this experiment the capacitor bank was not connected. The HV supply has, as part of its construction, a HV fullwave diode bridge recitifier. The output from the bridge is connected directly to the Alu plates using jumper cords from Radio Shak. The HV supply was connected directly from the output of the bridge off the supply to the two plates. Luck would have it that I connected the right terminals to the top and bottom disk.
At this time I don't know whether top was + or minus. The torroid coil. I made it by taking a piece of 1/2 inch tubing, putting a dowell into it to make it rigid, and wrapped (very sloppy) a bunch of turns. I figure if it would work, sloppy was ok. I pulled the dowell out. Stuck a 2 inch piece of dowell into one end of the tube/coil and connected the other end into the other end of the coil. Voilla, a crude torroidal coil. Probably 75 turns of #28 wire on coil. The finished coil is similar to one of those SLINKY coil toys.
I put the coil into the aluminum disk sandwich on the bottom as that seemed to be where the wide end of the vortex would be from Cliff's discussion and the rolling ball experiment. Then connected a 1000 ohm resistor to each lead of the torroid coil using more jumpers. Hooked a voltmeter across the resistor with two more jumper to measure voltage. Actually tried two different loads, 1000 ohms and 165 ohms. Getting about 35 to 55 volts on the 1000 ohm and 70-109 volts on the 165 ohm.
end.
Thank you for that link, Fatbird. I've read thru the topics at that forum and it seemed to me, that they have more than one working devices which have an overunity factor of over 10 !
I hope I understand that right, but at one or two topics they spoke about a ball bearing test. It is to visualize the aether vortex between the two plates. They just put a pachinko ball between the plates and the ball starts to spin up at the edges of the circumferences of the plate.
Cliff mentioned at this part, that this is also the direction of the currents which are induced to the toroid coil by aether vortex.
Some of the forum members mentioned that you had to blow smoke between the capacitator plates, which gets then ionized by the high voltage and "follows the aether's vortex"...
So the spin up comes directly by the vortex and the induced current in the toroid coil stays up as long as the capacitator plates are loaded with high voltage, a sustained E-Field.
At least quiet interesting when I understand that correctly. Possible it is another version of the "Steven Marks TPU".
QuoteSo, at this point, having read about the ball bearing, and thinking of =
an inductive current forming, I envisioned a coil instead... This beat =
Tesla's published view hands down...
Think about it. If you drain the capacitor of charge with a coil, it =
will never fill and come to be "an open".
It will keep pulling charge, which you will keep draining...
It may not have been helpful for Jack to have disclosed SM's sexual orientation granted, but it's also unproductive to be slamming Jack.
He was not privy to much if any technical details, granted and he admits that, so leave it alone. He was there, and to date there has been no contact with anyone else who has first hand experience with the devices. SO be thankful that there is now contact with a person who has seen the devices with their own eyes. Is that not worth a lot?
Providing Jack is inclined to answer a few questions, and considering the stream of info from all other sources has long been exhausted, any help he is able to provide should be considered invaluable.
If he does come visit ou, what he sees here as negative posts towards him will not be conducive to obtaining further information and better videos. Bite your tongue if you must, and go back and edit your posts accordingly.
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on March 23, 2008, 08:56:54 AM
At least quiet interesting when I understand that correctly. Possible it is another version of the "Steven Marks TPU".
This alu plate thing is a spark gap thing (20-30KV should easily penetrate air between plates spaced 6 inches apart), not really the same as SM TPU, but the basis of function should be the same: high current pulses that happen in the circuitry at high occurence frequency.
Quote from: -[marco]- on March 23, 2008, 03:23:28 AM
Hi Guy's :)
Jack said yesterday he'd take a break this weekend to locate the video.
I don't blame him for not comming here.... this place looks like a battlefield.
M.
The interview left me with the impression that he understands the passion and the frustration that many of us have been experiencing. He knows that his clear video will be his best contribution here, (having no direct internal access to the device himself.) I do not think that he will spoil it for the rest of us just because a few folks happen to express their passion and frustration on hidden keyboards with drunk and disorderly posts.
However, one never knows with human nature. If the right button gets pushed, then we move on without.
Passion. 8)
Hi Folks;
I just wanted to point out that the "Aether Votex Unit Diagram" did NOT work as claimed!!!
See http://dallastexas.net/PinkyAndTheBrain/archive/00000530.htm
The design may still have merit but it was never duplicated even by the inventor Clifford Hazelton as per Jerry W. Decker Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:16:36 -0600.
As far as Jack Durban, I would hope that he could convince at least one person who he mentions that has successfully replicated SM's TPU tech to come over here and discuss their findings before it's too late for this world as we know it.
Respectfully,
Goat
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"I think you are the ONLY one on Overunity that has ever discussed the Rotating Aether phenomenon that occurs in a Rotating Magnetic Field"
I think thats a bit unfair entire threads have been devoted to this spin. My self included suggested it may not be required to force the spin yourself it happens the same way as a hurricane. You create a depression it will spin naturally. Others described it as water going down the drain from the bath tub. The hendershot device worked in a similar fashion. There was no powerfets firing 2 mu Second pulses every 90 degress or any such thing. The coils were basically free running hartley or colpitts oscillators.
This is everything in a nutshell
Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
18. Yes Norbert, we did try them south of the equator, they work in reverse.
Can someone tell me why?
19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and
be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to
the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
copper wire please note this there is no iron bailing wire im tired of seeing it.
20. You could describe the usable current output of my coil as DC but with some
hash in it.
It really doesn?t have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
21. The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency
to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks
become a combined big kick. I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few seconds for
the coil to begin function at maximum effort.
Yes of course free running oscillators take time to build up oscillations. They can be kept locked using simple AFC techniques. Hendershot invented his device about 1920 i think. The principles of the TPU operation almost certainly refer to build and radio techniques available from this era.
@nub
Registered 20th of March.
Post #1.
How convenient.
How typical.
@EM
If you all were Jack Durban, I'm sure you all would have done a much better interview because you are aware of the current level here. Come on guys, he's on our side. The side of the Truth. But read on first. Ouch.
@All
I had forgotten to commend all especially Jason during the talk show. Also, good to hear Stefan speak and confirm he is a true blue German accented nice guy. I just cracked up when he said "bailing wire". lol. No offense Stefan.
Please note the title of this thread. Maybe some good theories here can migrate to their own thread for keepsake because the tone here may soon change.
We have to realize that Jack Durban did not spend the last 10 years twisting and turning and having nightmares over this SM fiasco. Life goes on and life has been good to him and I think when he finally realized the fervor over SM, he only wanted to do the "right thing" and come forward, if not, just to give us some kind of understanding "to the best of his ability". No he did not spend days on end watching the videos, hours and hours scanning images, exploding them, making diagrams, postulating theories of operation. He certainly did not and would never consider calling SM "the Master". He also never spent days and days pondering every word SM put forth. But he did have enough contact and insight to offer us a first hand talk show view and written form of certain dynamics of the life around SM and I would accept the assessment of SMs level of acumen in this field. But if you are open enough to read between the lines, there is a great amount of information he provided that he may not even realize himself. I am convinced, now that he has set some of his attention to this, that he will remember other "facts" and "observations" that will eventually help us out. Also, when you put your face out there in front of the public and not hide behind your mothers skirt, this separates the man from the weezle.
Now we have to also consider that if SM did not even trust his closest friends since none of his entourage knew how the device functioned at it's base base level, then we have to also conclude that he would not be so forthcoming with perfect strangers here and everything he "may have explained" on the forum should be taken with a great deal of skepticism. Add that to the fact that there is a great chance that this was not even SM but someone else (like a shafted investor) who wanted to push us here to do more R&D to find how this device works, you can understand that this makes even less credible the information provided by SM. This has no bearing on @Mannix as I would perfectly accept the fact that he was only the conduit of this information or disinformation and not a co-conspirator. He obviously is just as not privy to the function as was his best friends. Habits die hard.
As for the line of thinking on the rotation of field as proposed by Jason, this will be another line of investigation, but given my understanding of SM and the level at which he discusses, or tries to pass his discussions, we must not take his words too literally. When he refers to rotating magnetic fields, in his mind, this could be simply alternating polarities on two coils per set at 180 degrees. His imagery in what is occurring with the field could be easily flawed, so again we have to be very careful to not jump to conclusions with his literal explanations. The guy did not even have a f&*kin scope. He got the device from who knows. Managed to replicate it with 4 million dollars worth of Radio Shack parts and major partying. Only the true inventor knows why it works. SM was a money grubbing replicator.
If this exercise could only achieve one thing that I am sure Mr. Durban would hope to achieve in coming forward and that would be to wake us up out of this SM stupor;
Many of you already knew what my true position is about SM a long time ago when I started discovering contradictions. But, some time during the last year, I have tried putting the bullshit aside and concentrate on what the devices really are in concrete observations, putting aside all the crap he fed us, he could not bullshit the device itself. So I said to myself let the device speak for itself. I have put forward the most concrete diagrams of the wiring and form. It was not an easy task. Companies would have paid someone big bucks to do all that work to this extent. And now, Mr. Durban has promised us a real good copy of the LPTU video so again, we can "let the device speak for itself" through even clearer observation. Man I can't wait.
But, I would add the following as MY personal baseline on SM;
- Trust your own gut feelings in your R&D, not on what SM said.
- There is no other Master but You (and Tesla of course). (Erf you're close.)
- Don't trust what SM said or did.
- SMs only motivation was Money, Greed and Glory.
- He does not give a shit about the human condition.
- He would not hesitate to lie to us just to keep us off the track.
- He could not support seeing us match his device or his glory.
- He thought he was so smart to keep this only to himself. He'll win the Shmuck Award.
- He was so paranoid that the device worked so simply that his EGO was flattered every time he came here talking with super-techno EEers as his personal exercise in self-aggrandizement.
- He did not give a f*&k about any of his investors nor all the effort people put in to earning (and maybe still paying for) the money he wasted away.
- As such, he does not give a f*&k about all the bullshit he spread on this board nor the time and energy expended to follow them up because he only considered us his competition and not students as we all had naturally imagined. I know it is a shocking thing but we have to meet the reality head on. I know. I know it's hard.
- There was no MIB, or government hindrances, etc. The only hindrance was himself and the hole he dug for himself because he is now hiding from investors and probably the police. hahaha
- He is a coward because the only thing that can save him is the truth and he will not meet it head on.
The only good thing about this is the following but let it be understand that I give no thanks to SM for this, because this is all the result of this fine collective;
- This has pushed many here (who know who thy are) to push the bounds in many directions that will open new realms of OU discovery. You just have to believe in yourself and your gut instincts and not on some story teller. The bounds you have pushed would have been pushed anyways and maybe in better directions had it not been for this story telling crap feeder.
- Regardless, the persistence of this forum and the Prime Objective has never ceased to amaze me and this in itself has earned this forum the respect it truly deserves. Not that the respect is sought but in all humility. Ya ya some would disagree.
- The caliber, variety and devotion of expertise here could not be purchased by the biggest of companies, so this OU forum is in fact one of the world's biggest not for profit OU seeking enterprises. Quit an accomplishment and kudos to Stefan for his undaunting stamina and devotion. (applause) (OK enough)
So this is it for me. I will no longer speak of what SM said. I don't give a f*&k what he said because he cannot be trusted. I will speak of "the device", what it does, how it is wired, and how it could actually work, but based on "concrete" evidence, logical deduction and testing and not on "stories". Example: In one of the videos he said (and this is my last quote) "we have over 100 patents on this device". Sure sure. This is a matter of choice. I can guarantee that if you trash all the verbiage and just concentrate on the device, this will be solved quickly in 2008. Yes this year. But if you are basing your discussion on what he said instead of specific parts of the TPU, then you are basing it on worthless misdirection. I can only hope that each end every one of you will learn to take back your power.
Bottom line, if you want to replicate something based on what a bullshitter told you, good luck. And thinking, let's not get SM mad or he won't come back here with some more lies is another illusion. He is mentally deranged. He managed to copy a stolen TPU. He managed to replicate it but probably not to the complete function. And now he seems perfectly fine with all this veneration given to his bullshit. The guys is a sick bastard of the lowest order and he does not deserve squat.
The information provided by SM is just as credible as that provided by Bush about weapons of mass destruction, and look where that went. You have to wake up and realize that some people are worst then the worst animal. So this is a choice and I think that I have a responsibility to voice this here so others of the same ilk know they are not alone.
As for Mr. Durban, thanks and thanks again. Don't pay any attention to the rufflers. They will always be. We await the video with great impatience. You can always contact me or anyone else on the board if you have any TPU questions yourself or if something comes to mind about the device.
Quote19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and
be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to
the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
copper wire please note this there is no iron bailing wire im tired of seeing it.
IF there was iron wire used in the device, who said, or what indication exists, that suggests it would
HAVE to be the collector wire as you are implying?
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 23, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
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All that comes out of Durban's mouth is self aggrandisement and slur.
My, my, it is a good thing that Nomen luni never slurs anyone, nor puts words in their mouth.
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 23, 2008, 09:39:59 AM
[snip]
Still he did give us some useful info, like that SM's boyfriend was a paedophile.
First you slam JD for slurring people, then you say JD said that SM's boyfriend was a pedophile. I don't remember Jack ever saying that.
Do I have bad ears, or are you slurring Jack with lies?
If you invented this, then it is time for you to keep your mouth shut. Your extreme negative bias against Jack is well known and spewing venom brings nothing to this forum. Create your own Web site and put as much hatred and poison there as you want, but please not here.
Earl
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1. If there ever was a man deserving of some knocking it is Steven Mark.
I'm a still a little perplexed that Jack is so hellbend on bringing SM down. We get it, don't believe averything SM says, but if his true intention is to aid the cause anyway he can, he should leave it behind. At the very least SM is the reason anything about this device is public at all.
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3. There are several others doing this and are well beyond where Steven is. Once he realizes this watch how quickly he comes forward to help when his obsolescence becomes a self realization and his fan base loses interest.
So if Jack wishes to aid in anyway he can, maybe he can point us in the direction of these people that he know of that are "well beyond where Steven is". If any of you get in touch with him by any means this should probably be a point of further discussion.
LTO
poynt99
i didn't imply anything the copper wire phrase was copied direct from SM's notes. I have no idea why but a large percentage of the forum went off exploring the use of iron wire for well over a year. Its seems pointless that SM would give outline of how the device works but so many go off on a tangent and do something completely different.
The fact is either you trust SM was trying to help in those early e-mails OR you dismiss everything ever recorded by him and work from a fresh.. The one problem with this is you then only have the vids to work by. Then this surely puts you at a disadvantage as you don't even have the benefits of design constraints to rely on.
Surely then its better to work to the guide book at that is believe to come from the horses mouth. So each time an idea is raised go back and make sure you can tick off the list EVERYTHING on that list. If you cant then your idea is wrong.
One of the biggest debates and maybe obstacles is did the tpu require fired digital pulses or gentle sweeping analogue style oscillators?
*considers quoting Rodney King*
...electron flow in copper wire...provides useful work force...
If all agree that this is referring to the collector coil---
then stating that there is no iron wire in the device period, would imply you mean ALL the coils, when really you can only say that for the collectors.
SM said "bailing wire" in the video, and now we see Tesla using iron wire for not only the core (as well as insulated strips), but over top the secondaries as well. Tesla knew how to coat wires, so it is conceivable that he tried iron wire for windings too, and just maybe, so did SM.
@ Wattsup:
I saw people running in different directions , maybe even trying to ?put? in the TPU something what is not really there. That?s why I made that post. I thing that verified facts is what we need here. I am not associated with SM and I am not a secret agent either. Don't worry.
I was not rude at you nor at anybody else. I read the posts on this forum for long time like many others and I do not judge people by the date they joined in. My nature is rather listening to others and taking the good out of it. You can rest assured that if I would have a well running TPU I would share it even with you. Rudeness doesn?t lead to victory but rather to the opposite. I did not try to mislead anybody, that would be the last thing I would want to do.
And I appreciate your idea in your last post.
? I will speak of "the device", what it does, how it is wired, and how it could actually work, but based on "concrete" evidence, logical deduction and testing and not on "stories"?.
Now you are talking! :) That would be useful. And I will not attack you, I promise. ;)
Guys - I'm not admonishing anyone, but let's not focus too much on Jack Durban's interview. I mean, I think it's agreed that he really didn't say anything of value, except to make a couple of points about the device not having any sophisticated electronics and that it has a thermal dissipation problem in SM's design. Everything else is just fluff and prolonged discussion of it serves no purpose. His "master" video copy is about all we can really benefit from, if he ever gets it posted somewhere.
Well said buzzard !
Jack if you are who you say you are and so one trivial BS aside...
We await any help you can give.
Mr. Durban we await your video and help and hope that this is not just Vaporware.
Where you at Jack we need all the info you can give.
Thanks,
-infringer-
@comp-tech
Thanks for your post and I will be the first one to admit when I have jumped the gun so I'm really sorry. The timing was just bad in that the very essence of what you posted has been put up here, read and re-read so many times but no-one wants to put these "sentences" in context to the stream of posts they stem from so what good are they really. Sorry again.
@Nomen luni
It is unfortunate that all you could grasp was my four-letter markers. At least it shows you followed the post. Sorry if you found that to be offensive but the subject in question needed some emphasis to portray "intense" displeasure. "Dang Nabit" or "Golly Gee" would not have sufficed. Granted I should have put a warning message stating "Warning: This post may contain words and depictions that may be offensive to some readers. Reader discretion is advised". But I did say "Ouch".
Hi All,
here is a new email from Dave Doleshal, I just received.
Seems to be Jack was wrong that SM did not understand LC circuits.
Hello Stefan,
Good to hear from you,
As I've said before, I wish I had more to tell you folks, but I really don't. I appreciate your noble efforts to investigate this matter. If I had anything of significance to give you about the technical aspects of how this TPU works, I'd happily share it, but unfortunately I still can't be much help here. I don't know anymore about it now than I did last time. People bug me all the time, offer me huge sums of money for such information. I'm as greedy as the next fellow and if I had anything to sell, I'd have done so, but I don't.
However, I'll add my two cents about the Jack Durban's revelations, for what my opinion may be worth.
In contrast to most of the other monkeys in this free energy circus, Jack Durban is for real. I have not managed to hear to content of the interview, but from the comments others seem to have made about it, I can verify at least some of what was evidently said.
Jack Durban really was retained to help move the project along, but as he says, no specific details of how the device worked were given to him. In those days, most of the people surrounding SM and the companies he was involved with could politely be described as sharks. SM knew this and took steps to obscure the workings of the device, both his conversations and in any videos he may have allowed to be made of it in operation. Most of these folks who saw the device had visions of instant vast wealth and thus were VERY angry that SM would not hand over the device or its secrets. Near as I can tell, all this venom, rage and associated urge for revenge accounts for all the back biting and character assassination they hurled at SM, as well as at each other.
In virtually all cases, it was one of the pot calling the kettle black. While SM made no secrets of his relationships, bisexual interests etc, many of these "respectable" (married) guys were fucking their secretaries, each other or numerous women other than their spouses, lying to their spouses about it, and then lecturing the rest of the world on proper morals. Some of them tried to blackmail each other, and character assassination was a routine activity. Not especially different than corporate America operates now.
As far as the details of all that go, it is immaterial to the key issues here. I know people seem to think they can evaluate the legitimacy of the technology based on information about the character and morals of the guy with the technology, but I assure you it is useless to do so. Many of the great inventors of the past have been unsavory characters, and many great technologies were probably brought to the world by people who stole them from someone else. Consider the cases of Edison and JP Morgan. Perhaps it is some kind a law of nature or something. Seems like people who are always reasonable, sensible, conventional, by the "book kind of folks" just don't have the kind of creativity, curious minds, courage and sheer brazen audacity to ever invent anything new in the world.
I seem to recall something from George Bernard Shaw or someone like him who said,
"Reasonable people don't ask embarrassing questions, rock the boat, risk the disapproval or their neighbors, threaten the status quo, or challenge the powers that be. Once you realize that, you are led to the conclusion that all the progress that has ever been made in the world is the results of the actions of UNREASONABLE people."
For better or worse, SM is one of those kinds of unreasonable people under discussion here, or at least he was in his younger days.
So proving SM, or any other inventor, was something other than a saint won't tell you a damn thing about whether his technology really works or not, or if so, how it might work. So stop wasting your time. As experimental psychologists say, "there's no cheese up that alley." Seems like I see a hundred posts about inventor's character or alleged moral failings for every one post about the technical aspects of what they invent. The only hope you have of ever figuring this thing out is investigating the technical information, frustratingly thin though it may be.
Far as I know, SM is not guilty of any of the frauds or criminal offensives any one has made up about him. I haven't seen him in many years, so maybe he's done something dastardly since then, but somehow I doubt it. As far as the 3D audio patent goes, that was a legitimate invention. Anybody who claims it involved hidden speakers in the walls is so far out to lunch that they can't be taken seriously. They are either a liar or totally ignorant of the matters of which they speak. Besides, that patent has nothing whatsoever to do with the TPU.
On the other hand, proving that SM was a saint wouldn't prove anything either. If he'd been a Church-going, squeaky clean, goodie-two shoes all-American boy scout all his life, that wouldn't tell us one damn thing about whether the technology works or not than what we know now, would it? I've been scammed by such supposedly upright Church-going, so-called "respectable" people more often than I have been by avowed rouges, and I am not impressed by them.
Regarding such, I suppose the example of Jack Durban serves to illustrate this point. I've nothing bad to say about Jack. Durban is a very intelligent man, as well as a man of high integrity. In contrast to many of the schooks that hung around the operation in those days, I always liked Jack and admired him, both as person and for his technical abilities. His basic electronics knowledge came from a solid and standard college education in the matter, and by the time I met him he had (I believe) well over a decade of direct experience of designing electronic circuitry for a living, mostly in building prototypes or refining them for industrial use and manufacture. He's evidently continued doing that over the decade since last I saw him, so have to believe he must be even more skilled and knowledgeable now in the field than he was then. My guess would be there are probably not more a few dozen people in the world who are much better skilled at circuit design than Durban is. He's earned his stripes the hard way, and when he speaks of matters related to electronics and circuit design, he knows what he's talking about and ought to be taken very seriously.
Yet even so, he seems unable to explain the working of the device that he has seen within own eyes. As far as his claims that SM does not know much about LC circuits, I confess I am at a loss to explain that statement. Although not university trained in electronics, SM genuinely is skilled in that field in his own right. He was one of those kids who was building radios and sound equipment while he was in second grade, and fixing the neighbor's broken televisions for the fun of it when he was 10 years old. Though mostly self-taught, he always had a flare for technical matters, on numerous occasions displayed extraordinary problem solving ability and intuition where technology was concerned, and had always displayed an uncanny level of inventiveness and creativity. He was always a tinkerer and a tekkie, and anyone who says he lacks the technical skill to invent anything this is too far removed from the facts for their opinion to be worth anything.
Myself having only a rudimentary knowledge of electronics, I'm not sure what to make of the claim SM doesn't understand LC circuits. That claim could be accurately leveled at me, but SM always seemed to understand about coils and capacitors, and on numerous occasions I saw him hold in own in discussions on such matters with other engineers that went way over my head. I've seen him fix the technical problems in circuitry designed by respectable university trained engineers when they themselves couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. There may be some subtleties about this that Jack knows about that I would never comprehend. But all I can say is if SM had any deficiency in that area, whatever it was, it never seemed to have slowed him down when designing and building audio equipment or sophisticated communications technology.
On the other hand, in defense of Jack, as I have said, I always found him to be a man of high integrity. If he is making statements that are untrue on a few isolated points, I have to believe he can only be doing so in honest error, and that he does so only because he honestly believes what he says is true. I'm sure he was fed a great deal of misinformation and disinformation for strategic reasons, by SM and many times as much by others, so if his perception of some aspects of the circumstances turn out to be confused or incorrect, he can certainly be excused for that. Durban is just not the kind of guy who would make shit up or tell malicious lies about somebody.
That being said, there are three main things Durban says that I do think are important to take into consideration:
1: That he saw the TPU technology
2: That he was convinced it was genuine, and that it really worked.
3: That he does NOT have any information about how it works.
Of course, just because he believed it worked does NOT prove it works. It is not impossible he could have been deceived along with the rest of us. However, Durban is one of those people who was tek-savvy enough that he should have been able to see through most of the kinds of shananigins some trickster might use in this kind of deception. He's nobody's fool and he's not a gullible person.
I do recall having conversations about this with Jack a decade ago, and he was quite certain then what he saw could not have been faked by means of hidden batteries inside, hidden wires, powerful electromagnets or hidden radio transmitters in the floor or walls etc. It is interesting that even after 10 years of reflection, he still has not changed his opinion on this. I'm not quite sure what SM did to a-lay what suspicions he no doubt had on such matters, but whatever it was, Jack apparently came away satisfied.
I do recall a conversation from that time in which Jack told me of his theory about the TPU's operation via this Schumann resonance. Jack was quite certain of this 10 years ago, and was certain it would take him only a few weeks to replicate the effect himself with a device of his own making. Even then he had already begun the attempt. I asked SM if this was on the right tract, and he just laughed, shook his head and said Durban was barking up the wrong tree. Perhaps someday someone will make a free energy device based on that principle, but the fact that ten years later Jack, armed both with his excellent technical skill and the resolve that certainty he is correct can bring, still doesn't appear to have made such a device inclines me to think SM's reaction to the Schumann resonance theory was an honest one.
As far as who did invent the TPU, although I can't speak with authority on the matter, all evidence I have makes me think it was SM. He used to go on about thinking such a thing could be built since he was a teenager. On several occasions he was certain he has solved the matter, but the things he built early on never worked. He never lied about it, and was extremely frustrated his early devices never worked. He was a great Tesla fan, and was sure that Tesla really had made such a device and was determine to replicate it. I used to dig information out of libraries for him, and he consumed such material like candy.
One day he finally made something that evidently worked, and that was what later got named the TPU.
How it worked, he never told me. Neither did he tell me the thought processes and research that immediately preceded that success. When we use to live in Orange County, there was a local legend about this kind of things. Allegedly, Tesla himself had come to Santa Ana and build a power station there in the early 1900s, shortly after he build the one in Niagara Falls. By this time, Tesla had supposedly built the first version of his own free energy device, and left one or more such units in the area when he left, either in nearby Huntington Beach or some other part of Orange County. I've never found any confirming evidence for this, and it may well be just a legend, but that is how the story went. Perhaps this is why so many of these free energy device scams seem to eminate from that area. There were many people in those days, SM included, that felt if they could only find this mysterious device hidden in Huntington Beach or there abouts, or even get information about it, he might someday recreate the technology. He spent a lot of time trying to chase this legend down, but so far as I know, neither he nor anyone else ever found it or even confirmed the existence of this legendary device. Some times I still imagine that perhaps SM found this lost holy grail, or at least someone who knew enough about it to fill in the necessary gaps in his own knowledge to build it. But imagine is all I can do, because for all I know no one ever found such a thing. If someone else did impart the secret to SM, I'd have to guess it was the man who Tesla may have entrusted with the device, but if so, SM never mentioned that fact to me. But if you are trying to make sense of a rumor that somehow the TPU is wholely or at least partially the invention of some one other than SM, some anonymous now-deceased inventor who once lived in Orange County, that would be my suspicion.
When I said he never gave me any clue about the inner workings of the device, I suppose that is not quite true. The one thing he did say, vague though it is, regards the story I just relayed. He once told me he believed his device operated on the same principle as did Tesla's, and that part of the clues he used to make it was based on the theory that the first one was something Tesla had made prior to 1900, probably around 1895 or even before. If that was the case, (if), it had to have been created only from the tools and knowledge Tesla had available in 1895, such as it was. Doing so had to have been something that could have been made with 1895 technology, not using transistors, other electronics or measuring equipment, knowledge of quantum physics or anything else that sophisticated. It would have to have been based on something very basic that was discoverable about magnetism and/or electricity even in those days. This would seem to rule out all the high flown talk of extra-dimensional models of space, zero-point energy, energy vortexes and other stuff people are so fond of today. It would have to have been something much simplier.
All speculation. I can't prove any of it. I wish I could tell you for sure the thing really works, but I;m as much in the dark as the rest of you. All I can say that people far smarter and more technologically -savvy than I am, even when they were very suspicious and determined to expose it as a fraud, never could seem to do so. Perhaps one will someday, but they haven't yet. If anyone ever does duplicate the effect, I would suggest they broadcast the news of it far and wide. If anyone on the list ever does figure anything out, I'd love to hear about. But I unfortunately don't have anything I can say of value.
As for what SM is up today, or where he might be, I am afraid I can't say much about that either. About eight or nine years ago, I said or did something that deeply offended or upset him, and he basically banished me. He's never been willing to meet with me ever since, or even let me know what I was I did that offended him so. He had been a close friend of mine for many years up until that point, so that was personally a very sad thing for me. Last I saw him was very long time ago. He said he had sold his interest in the TPU to someone several year before that, and had no further interest in it, and didn't want to talk about it. Far as I can tell, that was a true statement.
. Last year another person told he had relocated to Hong Kong, was determined to live a quiet life, and was involved in other matters. They had no address for him.
So that's where it is.
Good luck folks. I hope you succeed in your investigations.
Regards.
DAVE
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@Fatbird
The dayside of the Earth experiences a compression of the ionosphere due to the solar wind smacking into the magnetosphere. There is also a compression of the inner atmosphere that occurs between seasons as the upper atmosphere becomes colder and denser from one hemisphere to the next. In the North we get our cyclonic storms in the fall and call them hurricanes.
At the North Pole we get plasmic cyclones called the Aurora Borealis. Everything gets a little crazy when we get compression of the aether. ;D
You should probably post your work in the general discussion of the tpu thread.
It will get lost here cause this is more a political thread.
Stefan thanks for that so we are back to plan A that SM wasn't a dumb ass after all LOL
Oh my its an interesting Soap if nothing else but more so since Jack appeared after all these years others are making Guest appearances on the "Show".
The Tesla theories do tick many boxes and when we look back to others these devices were built with very early 1900's technology. Back then even in early radio the basic oscillator circuit was king. Correct me if I'm wrong but circuits of high speed logic pulses were simply not on the agenda back then. Of course its doesn't rule out an intermediary scientist didn't re-invent this again during the 60's and 70's only if SM stumbled on a part of the technology via the "French Connection" that Jack spoke about.
I look at the importance of the style of devices around this time and Edwin Armstrong, invented and patented the regenerative radio circuit way back in 1914. The regen is the one of the most amazing circuits to me ever made. A single tube can bring the Q of a coil into the brink of oscillation to provide a real gain of 100,000+ times. Now with that type of gain the faint magnetics fields could be amplified enough to do something useful. Then we have 1920 Thomas Moray device appears and in 1928 comes Hendershot. All are oscillator type devices that required tuning and tweaking to get them working. It wasn't till 1930 that Tesla had his electric car so seemingly required the technology of tubes, oscillators and radio before any of these appeared.
I think some need to go back to grass roots because that is where the answer will be found.
Quote from: Nomen luni on March 24, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
@Stefan-
Did you find Doleshal via Durban? I think we need to be wary if one person leads to a string of contacts that mutually confirm each other's involvement. Clearly there are parties with a vested interest in keeping a lid on this technology, and misguiding us is a good way to do it.
No,
I was in email contact already with him in 2006 when I searched for the story and location of
Steven Mark.
Just read this whole thread were I copied his earlier email into again over here.
Quote from: sparks on March 24, 2008, 09:18:35 PM
@Fatbird
The dayside of the Earth experiences a compression of the ionosphere due to the solar wind smacking into the magnetosphere. ...
Realtime images:
http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/
and archived movies:
http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/movie.html
Hi Guy's
Here is jack's last Email i just recieved:
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Please spread the word that I am just swamped right now and will be resurfacing in a few days. I am working on a client project that is time critical. It is an ?iGo? type cell phone/iPod charging technology.
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And ive added our conversation so far.
M.
Marco, thanks for being an ambassador for us, and for taking the initiative to contact Jack. Good work!!
EM
@Marco
Thanks very much for the text file.
I have said enough about SM. I gave him the flack he deserved and if he can read this he will know it, and he will know I did not have any choice but to react in this manner given that he has so lousily failed in his task and left us with this mess (if it was him - lol). So it does not matter what anyone else says. For me, it is done and I feel better for it. His failures are his problem and not ours.
Yes, we have enough with our own faults but this had be said to exorcise this forum and win back our power. At least for me, it is done.
I does not matter because here is the reality of the device that will always remain.
So, maybe you can get this to Jack.
If Jack can read this, the first thing you asked for was like a real pro that knows the dev beat "is there a schematic diagram". lol lol lol lol lol. OK I'll stop laughing Well yes there is. Gotcha hey.
I have put up my wiring diagram based on the Large TPU - LTPU.
I would hope that forum members could use this as a standard guideline when formulating theories of operation, etc. Look guys, this is the nut and bolts reality of the LTPU as it is known today. Not the theory, no grand postulations, no deformations, just the reality of the apparatus itself.
Hopefully..............................................................technical drawing guys here will start a new thread called SM17-WD-XX Wiring Diagram, and convene together on a common circuit drawing program that all can use so that you can exchange the editable master that could be edited by more and more to put in the coils. If you take my drawing and put it in circuit diagram form and from there you can work out the coiling scheme you're halfway there.
THIS IS WHAT THE TPU 17" IS IN REALITY. So whatever your theories, it has to fit this. Simple enough. You use the numbers on the items to discuss what it is.
The smallest version is shown below. (SM17-WD-1-smallest.jpg)
The legend for the SM17-WD-1 is also provided below. (SM17-WD-1.txt)
You can download the larger image here.
Come to think of it I should get one printed in color. It would make an original poster. lol
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get22
Here is the original thread I posted it on. A very interesting thread. Yes some flawed theories but the general idea is there.
Re: Control Inside?
? Reply #32 on: September 23, 2007, 08:51:18 PM ?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3279.msg51205.html#msg51205
Do this and when Jack Durban gets us the high res video, it will only be a short time until the diagram will be really complete.
So, in the future, when you see me talking about the TPU in specifics, I will often be relating to the part numbers on this diagram. This will keep it real.
I can already see so many obvious things about the coiling but let's keep that for another day. We have learned much about everything and now it is time to apply it to reality.
But if you are talking about your own designed TPU, taking a totally new approach, then the world is your oyster and that is great also.
All the best.
wattsup
Hi Marco,
many thanks for posting the conversation emails with Jack.
Now I know, that Jack did not tell the truth when he at the
interview on the 19th of March told us, that he did not know about overunity.com
but has contacted himself uder Otto from over here, as he wrote on the 18th,
one day before the interview.
How could he ever have known Otto, if
he never was over here ?
Or did Otto publish his findings also anywhere else ?
Highly suspect...
P.S. Marco, who did say that SM had 2 dogs who died and that SM has cancer ?
Did not hear this yet.
I wish SM that he gets better again.
Maybe he should try some RIFE technology to kill the cancer.
Is this the punishment destiny for not revealing the TPU circuit diagram ?
( from a higher being, maybe God ?) ::)
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 25, 2008, 11:28:57 PM
Hi Marco,
many thanks for posting the conversation emails with Jack.
Now I know, that Jack did not tell the truth when he at the
interview on the 19th of March told us, that he did not know about overunity.com
but has contacted himself uder Otto from over here, as he wrote on the 18th,
one day before the interview.
How could he ever have known Otto, if
he never was over here ?
Or did Otto publish his findings also anywhere else ?
Highly suspect...
I think it is clear that Jack knew about overunity.com, but based upon his breathless retelling of what we already have figured-out, such knowledge was superficial. It would seem that he underestimated our technical acumen. I think it is clear that he underestimated that of SM, as well.
It is also clear from the transcript, (if it is genuine), that much of the information that Jack presented during the interview was gleaned from his email conversation. For example, the story about water-cooling. Of course, Jack spun this in a way as to ridicule SM for having such a naive idea. Moreover, he told this story as if he had known this first-hand, rather than having learned it a few days before the interview. I read this as Jack compensating for his lack of intimate details, realizing (too late) that he had overrepresented his knowledge of the TPU in advance of the interview. I can imagine the blood rushing to his face as he dropped the "gay bomb", only to have it fizzle-out the moment it hit the air. I think that for Jack, agreeing to the interview was motivated more by his desire to "get SM" than any altruistic "helping the guys in the trenches" impulse.
I believe that Jack did indeed know SM, and that he was telling it as it was, to the extent that his "photographic" memory permitted. I also think that he had allowed his personal feelings and his own pet theories about the inner workings of the TPU to embellish and edit those "photographs". I am glad he came forward, even though the interview was not as enlightening as I would have liked. Let's hope he keeps his word and gives us the video. That would be a tangible and significant contribution to the world of TPUology.
With all the ranting going on I'm sure he feels comfortable joining. ::)
It would seem that his reasons would be more likely emotional and personal rather than in the interest of teaching any thing that is useful to any further understanding.
It goes to show the technical solidity of most people here under conditions that are far from ideal..and how far we have actually come.
foward gents!
Lindsay
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 25, 2008, 11:44:26 PM
P.S. Marco, who did say that SM had 2 dogs who died and that SM has cancer ?
Did not hear this yet.
I wish SM that he gets better again.
Maybe he should try some RIFE technology to kill the cancer.
Is this the punishment destiny for not revealing the TPU circuit diagram ?
( from a higher being, maybe God ?) ::)
Hey Stefan i did not know you were into religion and stuff. ::)
I did read about the dogs in some of the letters somewhere.
I do not think Steven is getting better as he once said was spitting out blood.
It could also be a cancer from working with the device, if it was radiating X-rays....
Or pherhaps he was a smoker...dunno.
And there is a chance that Otto contacted Jack just before the show just like i did...
So in that case it still is possible that Jack did not know the Forum.
M.
If it is true that SM has cancer, someone should show him these videos. Cancer is a totally preventable and curable disease.
"The science and politics of cancer : Edward Griffin"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3132520544606194398
"Bob Dacy Interviews woman given cancer cure"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7999596373278003743
The same people stopping free energy also control big pharma and have actively stopped the real cure for cancer. This issue goes beyond just getting free energy to people, it's about the people that leach off of humanity for their own benefit.
The politics and players of this world are just as important as a useable free energy device. We have to know both.
RH is right on point...thanks for the links.
If SM is truly suffering from cancer, he would also do well to look up a man living a few hours away from me - who apparently is curing cancer in 2 months...according to some very credible testimonials.
His name is Rick Simpson.
Check him out at phoenixtears.ca.
And a much as I hate to report it, it would appear that cigarettes do not causer cancer - according to another man with a cancer cure who the FDA will not challenge due to his vast knowledge of biochemistry.
His name is Joe Hart @ coljoe.com
Regards...
From http://vorel.com/design.htm (http://vorel.com/design.htm):
"Spheric Sound - A 3D image enhancement system designed to provide a widened sound stage."
Hmm...same Spheric or different?
"who did say that SM had 2 dogs who died and that SM has cancer ?"
In one of the vids a big dog is seen running past the patio window. It looked a bit like a Doberman but the shot is no more then 2 seconds max. Maybe it was more of a guard dog but would seem having big dogs around SM was a useful thing especially if he got burgled as Jack suggested. The time scales might be correct. If that dog was 2 years old then and move forwards 10 years then yes 12 or 13 years is old enough to succumb to old age. The problem then comes that SM is believed to left the country and packing up and taking dogs is not always possible or even practical. However the fact i see a dog in one of the vids bears fruit to the suggestion he had 2 dogs that died and thus SM having cancer is not totally unrealistic.
The bad news if SM has been coughing up blood sounds like SC Lung Cancer and invariable fatal within 2 months to a 6 months. Chances are SM may already be gone unless it was caught very very early.
If that was the case would you not think SM would have put everything about the TPU in his will. After all no point worrying about pension payment and legalities if you know your on your way out.
Any sign of Jacks video yet? Every day that passes can only mean its never going to turn up. But you ever know his version might be in HD:)
Lee Crock's healing device, which is very simple (details on Keely net) has many testimonials in regard to curing tough conditions, though it sound's like SM from what has been said and his condition is probably not reversible, if it has not already taken his life.
Jack's mention of a menacing message which SM left for someone else, a copy of which was in his possession sounded rather grim and demonstrated a hostility towards SM, not much has been said of that.
A
Although I haven't observed Lee Crock's 'Energy Cleaner' cure cancer, I have witnessed some amazing results on myself, family and friends
Regards...
@marco
Any other word from JD especially on the high res video. We need it.
Nothing yet....
I can live without the vid ;)
It's not that when we have the vid we have all the answers...it's all under black plastic.
M.
@marco
Of course, I don't agree.
I sent an e-mail to JD regarding the video. We'll see.
I am with Wattsup on this. It doesn't seem Jack has anything to offer that we don't already have, the information provided by Spherics is far more detailed and relevant. Jacks motives are questionable at best since he appeared to be threatening SM with regard to the message he found recorded on SM's equipment. Since he also had very limited contact with one model of the TPU which he did not open, anything his says is at best supposition, and there has been 10 years of that here already.
A
@all
I wrote to Jack and he responded that the video should be available by WEEKS END via PesWiki. Now to let the device speak for itself in a clear video. Man oh man, can't wait.
good news
Quote from: wattsup on April 01, 2008, 10:24:59 PM
@all
I wrote to Jack and he responded that the video should be available by WEEKS END via PesWiki. Now to let the device speak for itself in a clear video. Man oh man, can't wait.
I hope this wasn't a bad April Fool's joke...
I have a feeling he will come through ;) I just hope he did little if any editing to the content, but anything new or better quality will be of great help.
I'm still waiting for the video! :)
Hopefully it will come out today!
The excitement is going to make me explode! Like a tpu! :D
begining to look like a lot of hot air,typical i guess.
okey
something else
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HEY0jpsnwbg
hey wattsup
any news about that video?
I sent JD another e-mail to see if there is anything new.
I also invited him to contact me should he have other memories of that time, regardless of if they are meaningful or not to him. We will know if it fits.
:P
Appears that any future discussion that jack has will be put on PESwiki according to what was said so why not check that periodically to see if it is updated...
Quote from: zapnic on April 09, 2008, 11:34:17 AM
funny i was looking some youtube videos and
there was jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE&feature=related
Jeesh. I wish JD would knock off the egotism, stop wasting time on flame wars in the youtube comments, and post his evidence.
Here's the comment I left for Jack:
QuoteWe get it, Jack. You are a successful electrical engineer, and you are very smart. Fine. Now, please, if you are sincere about getting this information out, it would be helpful if you could digitize and post the hi-res video that you claim to have. What's the holdup?
-zt
How long??
Quote from: zerotensor on April 09, 2008, 02:22:43 PM
Quote from: zapnic on April 09, 2008, 11:34:17 AM
funny i was looking some youtube videos and
there was jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE&feature=related
Jeesh. I wish JD would knock off the egotism, stop wasting time on flame wars in the youtube comments, and post his evidence.
Here's the comment I left for Jack:
QuoteWe get it, Jack. You are a successful electrical engineer, and you are very smart. Fine. Now, please, if you are sincere about getting this information out, it would be helpful if you could digitize and post the hi-res video that you claim to have. What's the holdup?
-zt
Jack's Response:
"Blow me."
Well, I think that sums it up.
Although the video JD put up is a condensed version of what will be coming on Peswiki, there are some great shots of all the TPUs. I have already identified some new items. lol
The good thing about having looked at these videos for so long and so close is that one knows where to look for what. lol
Very revealing indeed. I hope the cutaway is on the main video.
Quote from: wattsup on April 11, 2008, 06:36:08 PM
Although the video JD put up is a condensed version of what will be coming on Peswiki, there are some great shots of all the TPUs. I have already identified some new items. lol
The good thing about having looked at these videos for so long and so close is that one knows where to look for what. lol
Very revealing indeed. I hope the cutaway is on the main video.
jep looks like something inside
Hmm,
we have to wait to see, if the video he did send to Peswiki will
be really full 720x480 resolution.
The short youtube version seems to be not much clearer than the videos
we already had and it is also only 320x240 res.
Too bad he did put his website domain logo into it, as it requires a new reencoding
of the video which makes the whole video again one more generation lossy.
Well let?s wait and see, what the Peswiki version will turn out to be.
At least Jack has now delivered something.
Many thanks for this.
Regards, Stefan.
@steffan and all
I didnt know where to post this and i figure folks read this thread enough so heres a thought of mine.. An unlikely device has helped me in my travels and i figured id share..
I mod xbox's at a software level its a buffer overflow exploit anyways i put a small linux os on them and then there great little machines. It comes with an app called xbmc anyways the categories are real easy to understand my videos my pics my games ect. But the cool part is as long as you have a network cable in it hooked to your home lan it will stream videos pics anything off of any windows share/smb/appletalk
Ok so heres the real cool part, ever downloaded a movie that looked like crap?Huh It's because the pc monitor's resolution is too high and it gets pix elated. When viewing movies or pics through the xbox on a tv you can see small pics and vids at the 320 x 240 resolutions very very clearly !!!!! Plus it fills the whole screen
Just a little trick ive learned for viewing poor quality shite. Now this is nothing like running a second display on your pc this is 9 million times clearer on the tv . If anyone has an old xbox and half a brain i can walk them through how to do this mod without opening the xbox .. All in all its the most useful streaming box ive ever used plus if you like opening things you can put a hd in it as i have up to 300 gb to save anthing you want on it. Anyone having trouble viewing lo res pics or vids should really try this .
Joe
Joe,
okay, this is offtopic, but
by the way,is there already a good linux out for XBOX 360,
so you can also play MKV format HDTV 1080p movies via HDMI on it ?
Or does anyone know, if this works on a unmodded Sony PS3
just with software booting into a hacked Linux OS ?
Many thanks.
This would be considered illegal in some countries there are plenty of forums where you can learn this stuff from... We dont want any legal reasons to loose this treasure trove of good information...
As a matter of fact I wish stephan would sell a backup of his forum on DVDR DL once a year for offline browsing! In case we ever do run into some odd unpredictable catastrophe situation.
Not to mention he could use the money to help with hosting or a new pair of sneakers if need be ;)
P.S.
Softmods are alright but I love my doux2, 500GB.
But you are right legal or not it does an exceptional job at streaming video!
Not to mention the arcade factor...
And the ability to run it as a mythTV client through DSL
Shame it is in the grey area of legality cause I agree with you 100% xbox is superior at streaming to CRT non HD TV's.
Stephan I remember a post where someone was running windows xp through a vm on the PS3 so I would imagine it is possible...
Xbox360 aint got that much longer to go if it aint comprimised to this extent yet it will be soon enough I am sure...
Check engadget, engadgethd, xboxhq, hackaday, and other usual suspects such as IRC and what not.
Take care,
-infringer-
EDITED TO ANSWER A QUESTION
One more thing I will pass on a legal fashion to tackle this is to use the svideo output in a good majority of video cards on the market!
It seems to work well for me as well and its perfectly legal to output to the TV.
I have used ATI cards and Nvidia cards both seem to preform fairly close to the xbox but the xbox does seem to have a little edge for some odd reason..
Edited again to save the thread from too much off topic:
Legal or not hardware modding to get more for your buck is very much alive and I love it myself... You are 100% correct on the resolution settings... And steffan you are also right with the gamma, contrast settings setting things to a less deeper black does tend to remove artifacts I have noted this before xvid encodes when encoding to VCD... But a non HD TV resolution is built to handle lower res so the hardware plays a bigger factor essentially when you grey out the picture you loose detail but gain a clearer picture something else that coutradicts itself :P but it does work!
LocalJoe I dont care what you do because I would have probably done it all and then some at one point when it comes to grey areas but for the sake of the form I just mentioned it to keep it legal man dont want no excuses to have a site shutdown cause someone wanted to share a software exploit with people hehe but really it aint my place or site to say one way or the other I can just suggest things for the best interest might be best to keep it at PM level there ;) thats all no offence.
Jack Durban WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE HI RES VIDS I KNOW YOU CAN SPARE 10MINS OF YOUR TIME EVERY DAY!
@Steffan
The only point i was trying to make is the pics and vids of the tpu that everyone has are ten times clearer when veiwed on a tv at 320 x 240 .. The old xbox was a cheap way to help with that .. i did not mention anything about illegal game pirating or such just an easy way to view the stuff we have a little larger and clearer... i mean by all means if you have a 36" pc lcd that does 320 x 240 go for it but i havent seen one.....
@Infringer
Thanks for the support i dont condone the illegeal gaming aspect but it is our property and if were viewing our own pictures and videos.. well its a grey aera i agree but still real useful.
Joe
You can also download the YOutube FLV videos via
www.keepvid.com
and play them fullscreen with Mediaplayer classic
or simular players.
Surely this will help a bit and with Media Player Classic
and FFDSHOW DirectX plugin you can also change the
Gamma-Factor of the video, so you can easily change the
dark areas of a video into brighter areas so to enhance the video
even more.
No need to use a special modded XBOX.
Well my question about MKV HTDV movies was more
related to encoding my own HD cam movies
to this format and how to play this on a cheap hardware
player.
As the XBOX360 price was recently lowered to 199 Euro
it would be a good player for HD movies, but as Micro$soft
has included a very big hardware shield like a dongle with fuses inside
chips, it is very hard to crack and use for something else.
Why they don?t open it up for any homebrew software is a mystery to me.
At 199 Euros they would sell like hotcakes and with the volume they would
sell, they would still be making a profit as the components they
use are very cheap these days..
Also they could sell with it for instance some Word processing software
or other office software...
Anyway...this was just an offtopic rant and we are waiting now for the Jack Durban
HIRes video.
Regards, Stefan.
@steffan
Hopefully that comes soon.. I still think your missing my point after seeing the quality youd take a double take. if you wanted to view the video on your desktop in the proper res so it was clear not granular or pix elated it would have to be a little itty bitty window like the utube vid size on the screen.. When you view it like im saying it displays the full quailty on the full tv screen since the tv is native 320x240.
Im not trying to be difficult, i just dont think your really catching what im saying otherwise any other person ive told this two has said thats the coolest thing since sliced bread.
Really think..Im not sharing this for my own good believe me i had apprehensions (the legal aspect ) but i thought hey why keep this for myself..
Now as far as pcs or macs and any other displaying method ive been there and done that im a IT / Network eng thats my livleyhood. So im not yanking your chain im trying to tell you something important!! The xbox 360 would be useless for this why its native res is 480p and most have it hooked up with component cables not the single composite .. This is still a higher res than the initial videos we have.. thats why what i proposed is something that would really help folks see things on a large screen with no image degradation... Besides who doesn't want a 40 dollar(approx price of xbox) divx network player that has all sorts of functions.
Joe
PS it decodes just about any known video format and reads iso's out of a rar .. it uses the same decoder for media that vlc player does for the computer
The clear video (TPU DVD) has arrived and I have watched the 10 minutes of the 6", 4" and 17" TPUs.
I was hoping to see the cut away version but I think that may be on another video.
So well done Jack, you have redeemed yourself.
Just about to load in onto a linux system to see if there is more to the 1GB MPG file than windows will show.
10 minutes does seem rather short for 1GB.
Now I bet you are wondering where to download it from, as soon as Jason gives the OK I will post the link?
[edit] Good old Linux shows it to be 14 mins 12 secs not 10 mins as windows reported.[/edit]
Regards
Rob
Hi Rob, great to hear this.
Is the video really 720*480 resolution ?
Could you WinRaR package the original VOB files into 4 parts with about a bit less than 250 MBytes and upload them to www.megaupload.com ?
The original VOB files could then be extracted to MPEG2 files via the freeware program VOB2MPG.
Many thanks in advance.
Yes definately good deal...
Thanks a bunch Jack D.
Maggerman dont spare no time with that link you get ahold of Jason ASAP...
Sounds to me that it is a little on the large size as well for 14minutes of video feed but... some 1 and a half hour DVD's require DL DVDR's if you backup your movies you take 6 GB and split it into 15 minute incraments because of menus and differnt audio tracks...
15 goes into an hour and a half exactly six times...
So seems adaquate to fit the usual higher quality DVD ;)
enjoy POST THE LINK ALREADY :P
;D
Thankyou Mr.Durban. Someone who has some balls and integrity. Suppression of energy technology, by any party, in a world set on the brink of disaster is criminal. I don't care if it is SM, UEC, USA, OPEC. assholes from another galaxy, or a God. Fuck you! I'm for mankind.
I was under the impression that Sterling at peswiki would be receiving and hosting the video.
how do jdo and meggerman come into play? what's goin' on?
oh well, good to hear that it is "somewhere" anyway.
so the vid has been released but now others are holding it...
cat and mouse?
like i said i don't need that vid anyway..it's not going to help us any further..it's all under black plastic.
M.
JD offered to send me the complete DVD so I contacted him by e-mail to see how to get it.
Regarding his short video, notice that when he puts the ammeter next to the TPU and reads around 123 this means 1.23 amps. But here was no load connected to the TPU when he read this. But there has to be a load to read the amperage. So I think the load is the looping back of the power returning into the TPU, and the real output load of lamps is then connected in parallel to the loop. Does this make any sense. Also about the ammeter, do you think they had DC ammeters in 97. My clamp on ammeter is a recent model that is both Ac and DC but these are rare. I think his meter was AC only. I am trying to find any specs on the ammeter he used but no luck yet.
I asked another question to JD on the YourTube page;
------- START -------
wattsup1004 (3 hours ago)
Hello JD;
Thanks for offering to send me a DVD. I sent you a private e-mail regarding this.
You mentioned that you think the magnet(s) used in the demos where to activate a reed switch. Was there any direct talk of this. Was there any mention of two-way or three-way reeds.
If you look at the Large TPU (LPTU) around 1:43, you see it is recessed into the outer wooden ring. Why then use silicone on the center platform that is curiously just as high. I think there is something under the base.
vorelco (20 minutes ago)
The magnets used in the smaller units were operating a single pole reed to close the primary.
The white silicon you see about the inner perimeter is just acting as a means of keeping the assembly cemented together. Although difficult to see in the video, the wood base and rings are no more than just speaker components from Spheric and none are recessed. Remember, Steven was too paranoid to have anyone help build the units so the construction methods used are that of an 8th grade shop class.
----- END -------
JD probably never saw the cut-away video but when you look at a cut-away, it is clear that the outer ring rises higher then the base of the TPU leaving ample space inside the ring if the center platform was only a thin sheet that needed be secured in place with white silicone going around the inside perimeter of the TPU. This would confirm usage and placing of batteries that he obviously needed to start the TPU.
Hi Everyone,
Yes MeggerMan is right, I received a DVD of the TPU videos from Jack as of Saturday. The one VOB file that Rob has is incomplete because there are actually 5 of them on the disc itself.
I'm guessing you are all anxious to get your hands on this so I took everything on the disc and put it into a ZIP file and will be hosting it as a torrent so everyone can download it (and get a faster download speeds once people get the whole thing and help seed it). I'm working on setting up the program so I can host the torrent file. Once I get it up and running, I'll start a new thread with additional information about the video, some screen shots, and a download link. I should have it all ready to go in a few hours so check back soon and get your torrent software up and running!
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jason O
If ya have a chance.
***** .ISO ****** is a real nice format that will maintain the integrity of the original disk t. Plus you can mount it in a virtual drive or burn the image but it you have a way to just image the dvd with IMGBURN/ clone cd any of the normal ones.. Imgburn is free thats why i recommend it and its interface is about the same as clone dvd or clone cd from slysoft 6 buttons and thats it. It would be great that way to keep an image of the original dvd with no degradation.
Thanks a million
Joe
Hi Joe,
I zipped the files because it actually dropped the file size by a gig (one of the VOB files has mostly dead time on it). But for those who want ISOs I'll put one up also.
God Bless,
Jason O
@wattsup
Quote from: wattsup on April 13, 2008, 03:41:53 PM
Regarding his short video, notice that when he puts the ammeter next to the TPU and reads around 123 this means 1.23 amps. But here was no load connected to the TPU when he read this. But there has to be a load to read the amperage. So I think the load is the looping back of the power returning into theÃ, TPU, and the real output load of lamps is then connected in parallel to the loop. Does this make any sense. Also about the ammeter, do you think they had DC ammeters in 97. My clamp on ammeter is a recent model that is both Ac and DC but these are rare. I think his meter was AC only. I am trying to find any specs on the ammeter he used but no luck yet.
.....
Yes I wondered about this point too and I came to the conclusion that the ammeter was acting as a collector coil in its own right.
As I undertand it, with AC clamp meters you effectively make a small transformer but you need to pass a single wire though the clamp for it to work. According to wiki for DC it works like a toroidal hall effect sensor.
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I now want to see the other videos, its all good useful stuff and after talking to Jason this evening on skype, suggested we may be able to get JD to part with the rest of the clips.
While you are waiting for the full ZIP Jason is seting up for torrent you could download this 1GB video of the 6",4" and 17" TPU, don't forget to goto page two for the parts 18,19,zip
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7
Regards
Rob
@Jason O
Your the man!!! Thanks for the iso !!!
Take care
Joe
PS MEDIAFIRE's Servers are awsome im pullin down 1.18MB per second crazy transfer rate i think thats where my docsys 2.0 modem is capped but if you can get the iso there that would be even easier than the torrent. If not thanks either way its great your doing this for the team.
guys, thanks for making this video accessible to all of us, and yes thanks to Jack for sharing.
EM
So, where's the torrent? I'm standing by to download and seed... ;D
Eldarion
Can somebody give us a tip, I'm not all that familiar with the file formats, etc.
I downloaded the file TPU DVD.z01, from the link Rob posted, so what do I need to do to view it? My computer doesn't know what to open it with. (Windows XP)
thanks,
EM
Rob and Jason,
many thanks for providing this.
I have already downloaded 4 parts of it and viewed
the first 2 minutes and the video is in real nice 720x480 res in 9.4 MBits MPEG2
and 29.97 frames/sec and 256 Kbits Dolby Audio.
Also there is no logo embeded ontop the video,
so a real nice quality. Definately to go for.
Probably a 1:1 copy made via a DVD recorder from a 2nd generation VHS tape
in the highest bitrate mode of the DVD recorder.
Many thanks to Jack Durban for making this available.
Regards, Stefan.
Em,
you first have to download TPU DVD.zip
from page 2
and then all the other parts and then you can unzip
this first part via WInZIP or Winrar
and the other parts will be automatically unziped into a big 1 GBytes
VOB file.
The VOB files can be played via Mediaplayer Classic or
VLC ( videolan.org)
Hope this helps.
P.S: To convert the video further get
VOB2MPG freeware and extract the pure MPEG2 file which
you can convert further with
any modern video editing program or use
VirtualDubMod
to convert to DIVX AVI or simular codecs.
Regards, Stefan.
thanks Stefan
Hi Everyone,
Just so you know, I just got the torrent set up not to long ago. It has been up and running now for a couple of hours with about 9 people in the swarm. I was just waiting for a few people to get some of the file before opening it up to everyone else (so the swarm speed will be higher and not load my computer).
As for using MediaShare, I'll still try to upload the rest of the video pieces there (part two is incomplete at the moment because I am seeding the torrent), but I will add the rest there after a few days of seeding for everyone. I want to start a new thread for information on the video and the link to the torrent. I also am going to include a few screen shots from the video to compare with the old one so you can all see what's happening. Am writing the post for the new thread now and will have it available in just a bit :-).
God Bless,
Jason O
I'll hold back for a week before down load JDO still have your Email addy so I'll be intouch if you need a hard drive let me know
If you are having trouble with file format and want a good free program.
www.7zip.org
This should handle any problems with the zip you are having.
However if you can afford it Original authour Eugene Roschel did a damn good job at file compression WinRar is very good file compression utility.
But dont bash 7zip till you try it at one time it was achiving some of the best compression rates it may still be ...
I havent had the need to compress files for a while.
-infringer-
OK, yes, ready to download and seed!
OK BOYS COME AN' GET IT! :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg89361.html#msg89361
thanks man
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 02:48:04 AM
OK BOYS COME AN' GET IT! :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg89361.html#msg89361
Yay a swarm!
Thanks, Jdo300!
infringer, I downloaded the 7zip program, and combined the z01 through z19, but the resulting file can't be open (it has extension .z) I guess I haven't used zip stuff in a while and I'm lost. Also what's with the main TPU DVD.zip file? I tried to include it in the combine fileparts operation but the 7zip program said it did NOT recognize it as a split file.
somebody give me a tip here, thanks
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on April 14, 2008, 05:26:21 AM
infringer, I downloaded the 7zip program, and combined the z01 through z19, but the resulting file can't be open (it has extension .z) I guess I haven't used zip stuff in a while and I'm lost. Also what's with the main TPU DVD.zip file? I tried to include it in the combine fileparts operation but the 7zip program said it did NOT recognize it as a split file.
somebody give me a tip here, thanks
EM
first file is TPU DVD.zip file or last
maybe use winrar
thank you zapnic, I used winrar and it worked.
EM
THANK YOU Jack for sharing what you have about SM & his TPUs. I especially enjoyed the history aspect of SM on your audio releases.
In my opinion, the TPU is one of the BIGGEST inventions in the history of the world. The world would be a different place right now if the TPU would have been made available years ago to the public.
Thank you again Jack for coming forward to help out sir.
.
It is one of the biggest inventions of human kind. However appearently there is a bunch of people who trying hard to made inventor look bad and invention nonsense. Why would Steven need "countless dollars" from investors? This is not a spaceship he is building rofl. There are so many disinfo people working around overunity and youtube. It is very sad when $ take over people minds.....
VERY IMPORTANT: It sux when a brilliant inventor constructs something like this and then he thinks he is gonna be billionaire..... INVENTORS!!! WE HAVE YET TO SEE ONE!!!!!! (all inventions has been supressed up to date thats a fact) even tho there were tens of free energy inventions...
Trying to patent OR trying to make profit out of this - ONE WAY TICKET TO INEVIDABLE SUPRESSION!! (or your death)
So. Based on the EVIDENCE lets act accordigly. Go out of state and go to the public library publish all over the web. Get a plane fly over downtown throw couple of boxes of fliers with complete diagrams or something (lol) . Or stuff like that. Otherwise it is 100% guarantee - you and your inventions are gone. There has got to be a way. Or let me know I will do the job for you :)
Piece
can someone please make the video into youtube format?
Hi Dean :)
I have completly edited this DVD because it had many long black parts in it and i have also added the other TPU video's that were not on the DVD uploaded by Jack.
It took me alot of time to do this but the result is a very good overview of all the models.
The format is in 720x576 and it also has a on disk menu to easy navigate through all the models.
If you are intrested in a copy just send me a PM.
Marco.
Marco,
Great work.
I am in Russia so its a bit hard getting stuff through the mail here ... highly unreliable.
I will unfortunately have to wait till it comes out in soft cover ;)
Cheers,
Deanushka
Hi Guy's :)
All DVD's that have been orderd this week are shipped.
They should be deliverd in about 3 day's to those inside the EU
And in about 5 days to those living outside the EU.
Marco.
@marco
Please explain why your avatar is a current transformer. Via PM, if you wish.
Thanks,
BEP
Why do you think its a current transformer? ;)
A.
Hello.
All TPU-video on this page:
http://www.matri-x.ru/video.shtml
Best regards, FastRuner.
I am a new person in this forum .I have a BSC in Physics /Electronics and an uncompleted masters in solid-state electronics (i got bored ). I don't wont to engage in any argument ,there is a big difference between the TPU device in Steve marks video and Otto's TPU. Its not just about trying to replicate peoples stuff ,it is also about understanding some of the basic principles of how the universe works. Never work without mathematical models ,always work from theory or models to experimentation and never the reverse otherwise you might keep going around circles.
I also advice that we take physics very seriously ,at least up to masters degree level.
Hello all,
@subzero
yes, of course, there is a big difference between the original TPU and my ECD but some points in the ECD are really good.
Never work without mathematical models??
OK, then maybe you can figure out why my newest TPU works with negative resistance?? Ever heard about this??
Maybe you know the TPU theory? Im not so clever and I can only TRY to figure it out.
Otto
How would you produce a polarization current of virtual photons?
Quote from: subzero on May 02, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
I am a new person in this forum .I have a BSC in Physics /Electronics and an uncompleted masters in solid-state electronics (i got bored ). I don't wont to engage in any argument ,there is a big difference between the TPU device in Steve marks video and Otto's TPU. Its not just about trying to replicate peoples stuff ,it is also about understanding some of the basic principles of how the universe works. Never work without mathematical models ,always work from theory or models to experimentation and never the reverse otherwise you might keep going around circles.
I also advice that we take physics very seriously ,at least up to masters degree level.
Quote from: Grumpy on May 02, 2009, 08:22:59 PM
How would you produce a polarization current of virtual photons?
Easy guys. He's a newbee ;D
Don't you think a homebrew NR generator, imaginary time and Casimir are a bit rough for a new guy break-in?
Quote from: subzero on May 02, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
I am a new person in this forum .I have a BSC in Physics /Electronics and an uncompleted masters in solid-state electronics (i got bored ). I don't wont to engage in any argument ,there is a big difference between the TPU device in Steve marks video and Otto's TPU. Its not just about trying to replicate peoples stuff ,it is also about understanding some of the basic principles of how the universe works. Never work without mathematical models ,always work from theory or models to experimentation and never the reverse otherwise you might keep going around circles.
I also advice that we take physics very seriously ,at least up to masters degree level.
Steven said specifically that his formal electronics training was of almost no use to his discovery.
That is why people like Otto who dont come from a formal box may just grasp this thing.
Then it will be your sons and daughters that might build a theory based of things you missed .
Perhaps you might theorize on what happens when a electron tube is put under non conventional conditions...Xrays were discovered by accident...any thing else there?
What happens when you try to rectify frequencies and the cathode/filament has other frequencies? A simple modulator?
There is something for you lab, as there is nothing in the text books. Please help if you have any real experiments that you have performed around this scenario.
but go ahead and offer the rest of us a theory if you have it..but dont use ss devices as a reference in your theory please.
welcome aboard!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,842848,00.html
Magnetic field pushes against sea water.
In the mid 1960s an electromagnetic submarine designed by Dr. Stuart Way, [sic] who was on leave from Westinghouse Research Laboratory, was successfully tested. It made use of the fact that electric and magnetic fields at right angles to each other produce a (Lorentz) force at right angles to both. The force pushed against the surrounding electromagnetically conducting fluid (seawater), which pushes back and moves the submarine. It is possible to envision an airborne analog in which seawater is replaced by ionized electrically conducting air, and conventional electromagnetic fields are produced by super-conducting magnets, which need little space, very little power and weight, and generate very high magnetic fields. Substantial research, much of it classified, has been done showing that a electromagneto aerodynamic system would be capable of solving all the problems of high-speed flight by controlling lift, drag heating and sonic-boom productionâ€"all electromagnetically, rather then mechanically or chemically. The resulting system would be symmetric, highly maneuverable, and relatively silent, often have a glow around it, and be capable of sudden starts and stops. It could carry its own power supply, or be charged up on board its mother ship in much the same manner as a golf cart which carries only a storage battery.
--giantkiller.
Interesting find Giantkiller.
Well Done. Thank you for sharing.
Hans von Lieven
Hello all TPU builders,
it seems that I found the right thread.
I never saw the high quality videos Jack Durban posted because ....never mind. I didnt see SMs videos for a very long time until last Friday.
As my time is limited I saw only 10 or so minutes from a video 38 minutes long.
Here just something very interesting:
a 4" little TPU has the weight of 1 POUND!!
a 6" TPU has the weight of 1,5 POUNDS!!
It seems that I missed this and a loooot more.
Have a nice day.
Otto
A friend and I have been attempting the Floyd Sweet VTA device & its Motional B fields and bifilar flux cancellation circuits.
Whilst doing this we we're looking at Fluxgate compass operation for some clues (courtesy of Mr Laster Hendershots notes).
Whilst looking at the operation of the Fluxgate compass it seems there are many parallels with the TPU. These compasses often use a bifilar toroid wound around a highly permeable core.
The Earths field magnetises both sides of the core equally and in the same direction, whilst an externally applied drive field drives the core to saturate 1st in one direction then the other. Because of the overall bias of Earths field, the core takes less time to come out of saturation in one direction and a longer time on the other. Now if a pefect square wave is used for the drive signal ...there are normally no even order harmonics present (as true square waves are comprised of only odd harmonics). The time change for the core coming out of saturation causes a distortion of the square wave at the crossover points which shows itself as a 2nd harmonic of the drive frequency. This 2nd harmonic can be picked up in a sense coil.
The amplitude in the sense coil of this 2nd harmonic of the drive frequency is directly proportional to the strength of the static ambient magnetic field which the toroid is in.
Also do note: Proffessor WJ Hoopers stuff .."New Horizons in EM and Gravitational Field Theory" also has some seemingly relevant stuff.
eg If you place a single conductor (wound back on itself in a special way, effectively so each folded end forms a connection in series with the next straight piece) in a Motional B field. Then each tiny straight section produces a voltage which adds to the next straight section such that the one long length of wire adds up all the tiny "kicks" induced from the motional field. etc..
I don't know if these observations can help any of you guys following this particular device but there you have it.
Smoky
@smoky,
Way to go. The Hooper wrap is intriuging. I like it when patterns come together.
Thanks. :)
Thanks Giantkiller,
One point about Proff. Hoopers special coil wind I forgot to mention.... with a normal coil, each loop also adds increments of voltage successively. The difference with the wind he shows has straight conductors lying along side each other BUT carrying current in opposite directions. Similar to a set of 4 AA batteries in series in a 6V toy each one faces opposite way. So magnetic field from current is cancelled in adjacent wires. This allegedly cancells the back EMF generated by load current and thus doesn't diminish the source field which produced it.
I dont have all the answers either just thought it could be helpful. Smoky
Thanks Smoky.
interesting ...
I wonder would one could create a "passive"spin out of this imbalance
smokey,
I had a quick look around but didn't find a specific reference for Hooper's "special folded coil wind". Can you provide a link? thanks.
tak
Hi Tac22,
The book can be purchased at http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/563nh.htm a picture of the coil is on page 130.
I was looking if I could see it free anywhere, doesn't seem to be on SCRIBD site.
There's other pics and references to this e.g. On a pdf at
http://www.electrogravityphysics.com/html/contents.html
I can't seem to locate a simple pic which I had which tells a 100 words, will upload with a post if I can find it.
Smoky
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3610971.pdf
Figure #1 shows the B field traveling around the circumference.
Figure #5 show the coil wall of the cylindrical wrap.
--giantkiller. That was easy...
thanks GK, I skimmed right past that earlier. actually it's Figure 5 in relation to Figure 2 that I think smokey was referring to and that interested me.
Quoteconsists in part of many insulated linear conductors indicated generally by numeral 16, all parallel, packed and held in close proximity, and connected in series, so as to form a solid package 18 preferably cylindrical in shape. When a constant direct current from a source 20 is caused to flow through wires 22 this device with its axis in the vertical direction, half of the linear conductors 16 will have current flowing upward and half downward. It will be a noninductive device, since surrounding it the magnetic flux due to the upward currents will be superimposed on the flux due to the downward currents, so that no magnetic flux can be measured. On the well-recognized "Principle of Superposition of Fields", each one exists, however, and acts as though the other was absent.
Here's the link I used which includes the book "New Horizons in Electric, Magnetic & Gravitational Field Theory" and Patents.
http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/horizon.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/horizon.htm)
tak
Hey guys, I've been following alot of the Steven marks stuff, and I've tried to read everything I could find. I'm not sure if this point was already hit, so I appologize if I'm restating the obvious.
I hate to make a negative post, but guys, I 100% believe this thing was a con now. From reading all of Tesla's patents and trying to understand all the inner workings, it becomes painfully obvious. If you mix patent 381970, with Tesla's other work of wireless energy transfer, you get Steven Marks devices. With all the crap about how he was conning investors with his 3D sound work, by hiding speakers in the ceiling. And the fact that others truely stand by saying these devices really worked. Makes me believe, he has copied a Tesla transformer from patent 381970, but is not telling anyone that his extra circuitry is receiving the wireless energy he is transmitting from elsewhere in the building directly from the wall socket! I'm not surprised a bit he never delivered a final product. Because the energy he was showing, was not coming from the earths magnetic field, it was coming from his wall socket, without a cord, from another room. That also explains the gyroscopic feeling, if it really was a tesla transformer. And it explains the over heating after 20 minutes. If he really did not have great knowledge as Durban states, he did not understand that his coils were not supposed to carry the amperage he was forcing it to put out.
I think the only thing Steven Marks invented, was a way to take money from investors pockets, and make it land in his own, by simply hiding the fact that he was simply using Tesla's work the whole time.
Quote from: captainpecan on August 07, 2009, 04:53:50 AM
Hey guys, I've been following alot of the Steven marks stuff, and I've tried to read everything I could find. I'm not sure if this point was already hit, so I appologize if I'm restating the obvious.
I hate to make a negative post, but guys, I 100% believe this thing was a con now. From reading all of Tesla's patents and trying to understand all the inner workings, it becomes painfully obvious. If you mix patent 381970, with Tesla's other work of wireless energy transfer, you get Steven Marks devices. With all the crap about how he was conning investors with his 3D sound work, by hiding speakers in the ceiling. And the fact that others truely stand by saying these devices really worked. Makes me believe, he has copied a Tesla transformer from patent 381970, but is not telling anyone that his extra circuitry is receiving the wireless energy he is transmitting from elsewhere in the building directly from the wall socket! I'm not surprised a bit he never delivered a final product. Because the energy he was showing, was not coming from the earths magnetic field, it was coming from his wall socket, without a cord, from another room. That also explains the gyroscopic feeling, if it really was a tesla transformer. And it explains the over heating after 20 minutes. If he really did not have great knowledge as Durban states, he did not understand that his coils were not supposed to carry the amperage he was forcing it to put out.
I think the only thing Steven Marks invented, was a way to take money from investors pockets, and make it land in his own, by simply hiding the fact that he was simply using Tesla's work the whole time.
The engineering reports that you MUST while reading everything would suggest other than what your poorly expressed opinion on un validated myth suggests.
Keep reading mate...or build it your way and have a team of investors , your friends and engineers convinced.
More reading ...less writing ..or build it and show us
I see, so you obviously have figured out exactly how he did it then. Let's hear it? Since you feel the need to be so rude at someone just stating an opinion that actually makes perfect since. Tesla eludes to many things with his work and patents, that I do believe he was telling us how to get the results we are looking for. But the more I dig into this thing, the more I am believing that SM was pooling the wool over all our eyes. I do believe his device worked, I just believe there was another source of energy overlooked, than the earths magnetic field.
All I am getting at, is that it's possible that trying to follow his lead, could be holding everyone back. Either way, if he really was transmitting wirelessly, it's still a momentous feet, dont get me wrong. Even if he did fraud everyone with wireless transmission, he managed to do it with 800 watts or more!
I am sorry, but i do not see anywhere that Mr. Mannix writes that he has figured it out....
You on the other hand....seem to have figured it out..
M
Hi Captinpeacan,
Even if SM was using Tesla's wireless energy transfer to make his devices appear to work and con everyone, then he has still done something that no one other that Tesla himself has done and surely he would be showing that off in itself?
Unless you know anyone else who has actually replicated Tesla's wireless energy transfer?
Regards,
Dave.
Youtube user kubikop is exploring Tesla coils and wireless energy transmission, with surprising success if you ask me. All it needs is tuning and upscaling.
Hi There,
I checked out a couple of his videos. I do not see Tesla's wireless radiant energy, I see energy transfer between two 1:1 coils with two LEDs as a diode detector. I don't see how this in any way fulfills anything that Tesla described as wireless energy. It's basically a poor transformer is it not?
But then what do I know!
Regards,
Dave.
Fortunately Tesla wireless has nothing to do with SM output. Even Tesla figured it out in late 30'ties . Wireless energy transfer is simple electric current transfer according to Tesla.At least check Tesla's "True wireless" from 1919
AFAIK TPU is something MORE then that
When you cancel flux and then let it return the shock wave flies ballistically around the ring. This probably falls on deaf eyes but the standing wave will kick your medula oblongota...
--giantkiller.
I made a similar post in another thread of this idea, but I was wondering what you guys think of the similarities of Tesla Converter, SM device, and Ed Leedskalnins perpetual motion holder.
In Ed's device, a quick DC pulse, turns the core into an electromagnet that seemingly stays forever, until the core is seperated, and energy is then released back out into the coils. In Tesla Converter, AC is used to basically rotate the magnetic poles directly around the core. What if Steven Marks found a happy middle? What if he set's the poles with a quick DC pulse that stays like in Ed's device, then uses energy stored in a capacitor to kick the poles around, generating extra energy. Is it possible that it would take very little actually energy in, to move those poles around, creating much more energy out while keeping the cap charged that sustains the movement?
Maybe? Any thoughts? I'm not wishing to step on anyone's toes, I'm just trying to work on a solution.
Hi,
The TPU has no core material other than the collector wire, some cork substance and air. I am not sure how the so called circulating magnetic current of the perpetual motion holder could exist in the TPU?
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: captainpecan on August 09, 2009, 04:05:12 AM
Maybe? Any thoughts? I'm not wishing to step on anyone's toes, I'm just trying to work on a solution.
Then stop talking and start doing.
You can talk forever it will not give you a solution.
M.
At CTG, correct, if it is simply made of wire, then it wouldn't. But, as I questioned the mix between tesla's and leedskin, if it was made as patent 381970 suggested, then the core would be all soft iron rings, iron wire, or similar. Wraps with the windings, and coated once again with soft iron. Just a thought.
BTW, I must be missing where it is stated that the SM device core was definatly made of wire? Maybe I am missing another piece of info somewhere, I will browse back through and see if I missed it. If you found it elsewhere, do you mind pointing me in the right direction so I can catch up?
You are missing alot of pieces everywhere...
And some of them are simply not on the internet so you can browse back as much as you like....
But I can point you in the right direction.
Look at this:
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 09, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
You are missing alot of pieces everywhere...
And some of them are simply not on the internet so you can browse back as much as you like....
But I can point you in the right direction.
Look at this:
Finally! Some clear direction :D
Oh yeah, now I remember why many great experimentors have left this forum. Because of people like you driving them all away. This is a bunch of shit that nobody can even discuss theories anymore without getting pounded by trolls. And yes, I'll have you know, I do tons of HANDS ON experimenting. I have made a Tesla converter already, but was not completely pleased with the results. I used copper wire as the core, instead of iron wire, or iron rings as stated in the patent. I am able to feel a small gyroscopic movement within, and it does spin the field. Unfortunately mine was no where near unity, and less efficient than a normal transformer. This is most likely because I built it with what I had around so I could hit the bench. Now it's time to build it more closely to correct, but I'm debating on the materials for the second build. What the hell is wrong with kicking around idea's to try and figure out the best way to do it? I will move elsewhere where there are people that actually care about accomplishment, more than tearing everyone down.
@BEP
:D
CP,
Don't worry about that poster.
Of course new ideas are welcome. I would suggest you send Farrah Day a PM.
btw, whatever happened to your capacitor energy transfer experiments I became involved in?
Send me a PM if you'd like. Keep this thread about Steve.
.99
International hand symbol for 'Stop!'.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 09, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
You are missing alot of pieces everywhere...
And some of them are simply not on the internet so you can browse back as much as you like....
But I can point you in the right direction.
Look at this:
@all
i have thing and i have found some good theory how to created strong elktromagnet fild WHIT LOW INPUT IS AMAZING
ITS ALL TIME HAS BEANG IN THE OLD VERY GOOD BOOKS
WAY JUST NOBODY DONT LIKE TO READ THE BOOKS
IST IS ENERGY DEPEND HOW IS BIG AND STRONG ELKTROMAGNET FILDWHIT SOME SPEED
BUT HOW TO MAKE COIL HO WHILLL BE GENERATED STRON ELKTROMAGNET FILD WHIT VERY LITLE COURENT
im vondering is posible if we have some transformer like prymary and secundary
and inthe prymary put low input energyAND THAT ENRGY WE KNOW THAT WHILL BE TRANSFORM IN TO THE MOTION ELKTROMAGNET FILD HO WHILL BE TRAVEL ,,AND THEN INTO THE SECUNDARY COIL TO HAVE MORE INDUCUTION ELKTROMAGNET FORCE
LIKE THIS
1 WATT INPUT TO PRYMARY COIL
10 WATT TO SECUNDARY
ALL THAT IN ONE SIMPLE TRANSFORMER
IST POSIBLE ORR..........
FOR ALL
MAST READ AND SEE HOW IS THEORICAL IS EASY TO MAKE DEVICE
SECUNDARY OUT IS DEPEND OF SOME STUFF NOT ....THERE IS SOMTHING
STRANGE AND SIMPLE HO WE DONT TAKE SERIOSE
Quote from: captainpecan on August 09, 2009, 10:09:23 AM
Oh yeah, now I remember why many great experimentors have left this forum. Because of people like you driving them all away. This is a bunch of shit that nobody can even discuss theories anymore without getting pounded by trolls. And yes, I'll have you know, I do tons of HANDS ON experimenting. I have made a Tesla converter already, but was not completely pleased with the results. I used copper wire as the core, instead of iron wire, or iron rings as stated in the patent. I am able to feel a small gyroscopic movement within, and it does spin the field. Unfortunately mine was no where near unity, and less efficient than a normal transformer. This is most likely because I built it with what I had around so I could hit the bench. Now it's time to build it more closely to correct, but I'm debating on the materials for the second build. What the hell is wrong with kicking around idea's to try and figure out the best way to do it? I will move elsewhere where there are people that actually care about accomplishment, more than tearing everyone down.
The problem is that we have seen about all theory's come by more then once.
It's becomming an endless story.
Don't you realize a theory isn't going to help you any further?
What good is it to compare a tpu against other devices...they all share some little things and the result is that you are running round and round.
In fact most people are.
I have found many answers by trying things and the result is my behaviour to try and convince people to DO instead of talk.
Which brings me to the point of failure.
Failure? yes
Some time ago somebody asked me, if it's real then why doesn't anybody get it to work...?
The answer is simple, because MOST people are IGNORING what the inventor told us.
The answers are waiting for you, trust me
All you need to do is follow him in stead of going off road all the time or freaking over some theory or other device that happens to share simalarities.
That's all i have to say.
I have realized that i cannot change anything about the way things go over here.
And i'm not going to spend more time on this.
Marco.
@marco
Which one of those fingers points to SMs bank account. lol
@CP
It's good to know you also build, like many of us. Don't get to boggled down by others. @marco just said he wants to push guys. Well we know pushing does not work. All we all can do is try to stick to the facts and do our best to relate them.
I myself don't really care if guys follow or not on the forum or fill me up with shit juice for that matter, because I know for a fact from direct e-mails that there are more guys not on the forum working on their benches and what I discover and post here will help them who are much smarter then me. Well smarter is a relative term. Let's just say we each have our strengths.
@ Wattsup
i do not know if there are any fingers pointing to Stevens bank account...
But i do know Steven isn't doing very well lately,I don't think he cares about money right now.
And by the way Pushing isn't the right word.
I do not want to push people,i just want to let them know they can find many answers by just trying things.
How bad can that be?
I would like to get involved in some real discussion concerning the tpu only so not some look alike other theory/device.
But it seems this place is filled with the latter only...
By real discussion i mean a discussion including replicable experiments that will show the story the way it is.
I can assure you this is possible.
With possible i mean the replicable experiments,not the discussion,because that seems impossible...
It's a bit hilarious, don't you think?
Marco.
all
i have said that if you whant to anderstend is very important to make calculating the everthing you make <coils fre and cores or vacum>
that is first stepp to doing the real setup of some experimental devices
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 09, 2009, 10:51:40 AM
The problem is that we have seen about all theory's come by more then once.
It's becomming an endless story.
Don't you realize a theory isn't going to help you any further?
What good is it to compare a tpu against other devices...they all share some little things and the result is that you are running round and round.
In fact most people are.
I have found many answers by trying things and the result is my behaviour to try and convince people to DO instead of talk.
Which brings me to the point of failure.
Failure? yes
Some time ago somebody asked me, if it's real then why doesn't anybody get it to work...?
The answer is simple, because MOST people are IGNORING what the inventor told us.
The answers are waiting for you, trust me
All you need to do is follow him in stead of going off road all the time or freaking over some theory or other device that happens to share simalarities.
That's all i have to say.
I have realized that i cannot change anything about the way things go over here.
And i'm not going to spend more time on this.
Marco.
It is all harmonics...best to study books from 1900's to 1950..because it has all been suppressed or read this http://www.scribd.com/doc/18237593/Universal-Laws-Never-Before-Revealed-Keelys-Secrets .
You have got to understand each component and the effect from these old books....and absorb and eventually you will find it.
Cedomir is actually close to cracking this one...i can read peoples thoughts via the vibe..influence.
Do you think Steven found it by reading old books??
Good luck on your book's and vibes then ;)
As for Cedomir.... i once gave him a book.
I asked if he read it and the only thing he said was "STUPID ENGLISH"
He was also talking about a guy who used to bend spoons at his place and more of that crap.
Marco.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 10, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
Do you think Steven found it by reading old books??
Good luck on your book's and vibes then ;)
As for Cedomir.... i once gave him a book.
I asked if he read it and the only thing he said was "STUPID ENGLISH"
He was also talking about a guy who used to bend spoons at his place and more of that crap.
Marco.
SM claims to have discovered the effect by accident, but he did urge everyone to go to the library rather than just look things up on the internet.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 10, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
SM claims to have discovered the effect by accident, but he did urge everyone to go to the library rather than just look things up on the internet.
Well it's best to study and compare these things...i don't know if you believe in overunity but..i do.
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on August 10, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
Well it's best to study and compare these things...i don't know if you believe in overunity but..i do.
I believe in "conversion" of energy, not "overunity". "Overunity" implies something from nothing, and I don't think that things work that way.
I'm sure marco has all the answers and will show everyone the way.
hey marco is realy you are .. and you dont anderstend
if you are learn at school then you whill know this simple formula
H= N*I/L
IF YOU DONT THEN YOU FIND ITS YOU SELF
Quote from: Grumpy on August 10, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
I believe in "conversion" of energy, not "overunity". "Overunity" implies something from nothing, and I don't think that things work that way.
I'm sure marco has all the answers and will show everyone the way.
Well let me tell you something, the universe is without beginning and is without end...which means it will last forever and the universe is overunity.
Zpe/quantum keeps on getting faster and faster all the time and it's speed is instantaneous no matter the distance..it is the cause that has created everything and is why the electron does not dissipate.
As I understand zpe it is a scalar electric field compression which may be a result of the big bang in the Universe neighborhood we find ourself in. Now if you are sitting inside an air compressor tank and have all this high pressure around you how do you become relavent to it? You have to establish a lower pressure area. Maybe a vortex of some kind or a cavitation?
http://www.amazon.com/Decoding-Message-Pulsars-Intelligent-Communication/dp/1591430623/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250091365&sr=8-4
This will give a better description of whats outside the box by using real data and scientific feedback about the big bang. Seems as though this happens on the galactic scale all the time.
If you're in the tank you can't possibly know whats beyond the container walls without a fresh look.
I learnt something new. Take 2 magnets and put them north to north. Wrap 25 turns 30# around 1 axis and leave 1 foot leads. You now have a scalar detector. I got to try this on a magnetic standing wave by just moving this next to another pair of magnets in opposition. Stuck at work though.
Quote from: sparks on August 10, 2009, 11:41:04 PM
As I understand zpe it is a scalar electric field compression which may be a result of the big bang in the Universe neighborhood we find ourself in. Now if you are sitting inside an air compressor tank and have all this high pressure around you how do you become relavent to it? You have to establish a lower pressure area. Maybe a vortex of some kind or a cavitation?
These neutral centers play a big part in the overunity system...the universe is overunity...if you take a close look at the neutral bit in everything...you are close to cracking it.
Well according to someones near life death experiance.
It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the Void experience. I can tell you this now; the Void is less than nothing( -), yet more than everything that is ( + )! The Void is Absolute Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence.
Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately*. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the Universe than anything else!
What mystics call the Void is not a void. It is so full of energy*, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the (supposed - JAH) Big Bang is vibration, from the first Word, which is the first vibration.
The Light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.
He even said he crossed over time so yea zpe/quantum..so yea this quantum is without beginning and is without end...you cannot create nor destory...but it is a wonder which gives more out than in...that only god knows..you may as well view this vaccum as a fuel tank..that will never run out..so the universe has already existed forever and will continue to be forever.
And then i read a scientists paper about that and i am like mmm :).
If you want to read more about that then it's here http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience
Then i read about Tommy reed...he got electric from the earth but since zpe/quantum interacts with everything telsa used this zpe cavity effect and got more electric.
Then i read this and i am like MM neutral centers are key to overunity and the recycleing process...people often question how would think work etc..all you gotta do is look at the neutral center or neutrons..if you believe the universe which has existed forever and is right now...then why is it still running..mm goes in and out of existance.
Then i look at Keelys work and like mmmm.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7827.0
I don't know i am into the illumnati and stuff...these guys really do not want this out..sorry but if you guys do not have food for thought regarding the bigger picture and reason with it carefully...you might just understand.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/18237593/Universal-Laws-Never-Before-Revealed-Keelys-Secrets .
As far as i am aware this technology came from the deep blue...and enlightened people which was from god him self.
If you look at what i have typed...this is pretty much the bigger picture...these principles are not alien...it is just science or what you have studied...is really is not looking at the bigger picture.
I like to study God's view point and then look at the scientists..i don't like to look at the equations but the cause and effect of it.
I feel as if people are going round in circles not looking at the big picture...scam this scam what...how can that go through a wire..says a man back at 1900?
Whats pathetic is that this stuff that was suppressed is riseing back up again.
Yea this stuff will never ever be in the market...the people who supress this control the market system..then all i see is these so called inventors fall into the same old trap again and again...ooo blimey those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Surely tariel doesn't mind going where telsa went...when stuff like the kgb of russia use this for war...and not in the publics hands...it is very pathetic...then again the stuff you guys have studied..mm Marco is more open minded...anyways if i had a device..i'd just sell alot of electric and use that to build units and sell them on ebay at a non profit price and even give them a money back guarentee and instructions to disconnect from the grid...mm yea forget money..let's use this to wake people up...prehaps be the only person to have succeeded..if i did know it...but the stuff to learn this from is rather limited.
I see companys with claims of overunity when i do know it exists..and really does not go far...i really would not hide anything..people are so greedy that if they had this enlightenment...they would go to the goverment..and it's like well forget it sunshine just open source it..make money from donations..prove it as much as you can and in great detail along with videos showing everything up close...every component..then finally we are getting somewhere.
So yea these rich guys who are apart of the illuminati do not want this overunity to get out..by any means.
We won't be seeing 40kw generators for sale ever...all of the illusion and all but it does exist...Steven Marks and all...bleh..would be nice to have water in the desert so to speak.
If i were to know how this works better i'd study cavitys and resonance..and not dumbed down mainstream education.
The reason for investigations and not really suprised since people are spiritually hungry...is because people need substance...food for thought because this stuff needs you to forget mainstream science..well some of it but you can't :D
Would be nice if steven mark explained how he got the effect in detail..and i mean detail since people are running round in circles here..and people have got more bitter over it but i like to say thank you for your efforts anyways..would be better if you showed all of your results so someone could help you better..instead of argueing..like some have.
Yea look at 1900's with Nikola Telsa...his dream was for IT to be in use...but it did not...and never will today..i hate prudent tight adult attitude...who wants lots of money but can't buy happiness...very annoying..we are still using stuff that is polluting the atmosphere.
Would be alot better and i think people would actually be grateful to be able to have this...since you do not need to pay for fuel or whatever.
No time for faffing around the internet will go down at the time of 2012...you guys and others studying it have 3 years to get it right...because it will be turned into a tv like subscription...and the us economy is going to collapse so it is not going to be okay.
@lltfdaniel1,
Nice post. Yes it is tough to explain all the diverse areas coming together without a single set of descriptions to include all perfectly. My mind just races into infinity without trying label any of it. It is such a wide view for the human mind limitations.
The end of the movie 'Knowing' with Nicolas Cage says it all.
--giantkiller. :)
@lltfdaniel1,
Excellent post.
No sure what to make of the "post" it was beyond me. I will be happy to find a rock oneday that when I tun it over it has a "Made by God" sticker on it or the number 42.
kind Regards
Mark
Dear friends,
I have received more personal messages and emails then I can respond too, so please accept my appologies for not writing to you personaly. thank you for the encouragements and well wishing. I am doing much better. Some of you have asked for more information about my devices and I took the time to look over some of my previous corespondence to Lindsay and I can see that I have given you more than enough information about my devices. It amazes me that so few of you have suceeded in replicating the power receptors. Just build them like I specified and you will suceed, if you have the necessary magnetic frequencies present at you location. Perhaps I haven't been as clear as I could have been, but you need to tune your devices to a magnetic frequency, these are not perpetual motion or free energy devices, they are conversion devices. I explained that they work much like a radio but nobody seems to be listening. At my location we measured very strong electromagnetic fields which coupled to my devices quite strongly. Dr. Swinzinger pointed to the high voltage power lines in my neighborhood, but I proved to him that it's not the high voltage powerlines. To answer one of the questions asked, the voltage does decrease with distance from the powerlines, but it is insignificant. We tested the device at the the doctors office and there were no powerlines anywhere nearby, and he became convinced that it's not the source of the energy. The earth magnetic field has a number of frequencies in the low kHz range and we tune to these. Personaly I don't care where the energy comes from, be it powerlines, be it welding machines at a nerby construction site, be it a radio tower nearby, I just tune my devices and receive as much energy as I need. I believe the reason my devices are being suppresed is because they can free our citizens from the power grid, or perhaps my technology is being used in flying saucers as a gentlemen confided in me. We observed strong vibrations and if we suppress those vibrations the effect disappears. I can build a device that can repell itself from any weak magnetic vibrations, no matter how small. I can't say anymore about this, I'm already cross the border. My advice to all of you is to just have fun, that's what experimentation is all about.
sincerely,
SM
Hello all,
@SM
Im glad to see you here again!
It seems that the 245kHz frequency is a natural frequency from where? It doesnt matter!
Its a fine frequency to charge coils to say so.
Otto
PS: Im talking about the EXACT 245kHz where is see vibrations.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 15, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
Dear friends,
I have received more personal messages and emails then I can respond too, so please accept my appologies for not writing to you personaly. thank you for the encouragements and well wishing. I am doing much better. Some of you have asked for more information about my devices and I took the time to look over some of my previous corespondence to Lindsay and I can see that I have given you more than enough information about my devices. It amazes me that so few of you have suceeded in replicating the power receptors. Just build them like I specified and you will suceed, if you have the necessary magnetic frequencies present at you location. Perhaps I haven't been as clear as I could have been, but you need to tune your devices to a magnetic frequency, these are not perpetual motion or free energy devices, they are conversion devices. I explained that they work much like a radio but nobody seems to be listening. At my location we measured very strong electromagnetic fields which coupled to my devices quite strongly. Dr. Swinzinger pointed to the high voltage power lines in my neighborhood, but I proved to him that it's not the high voltage powerlines. To answer one of the questions asked, the voltage does decrease with distance from the powerlines, but it is insignificant. We tested the device at the the doctors office and there were no powerlines anywhere nearby, and he became convinced that it's not the source of the energy. The earth magnetic field has a number of frequencies in the low kHz range and we tune to these. Personaly I don't care where the energy comes from, be it powerlines, be it welding machines at a nerby construction site, be it a radio tower nearby, I just tune my devices and receive as much energy as I need. I believe the reason my devices are being suppresed is because they can free our citizens from the power grid, or perhaps my technology is being used in flying saucers as a gentlemen confided in me. We observed strong vibrations and if we suppress those vibrations the effect disappears. I can build a device that can repell itself from any weak magnetic vibrations, no matter how small. I can't say anymore about this, I'm already cross the border. My advice to all of you is to just have fun, that's what experimentation is all about.
sincerely,
SM
LOL !
I cannot believe that any of you would believe one word this person says .
if you really are SM, then PROVE IT !
surely you must have some videos of your device that hasn't been released on the internet yet, if you do, then POST IT !
any idiot can create an account on any forum & claim that they are anyone they want to be, for all I know you could be some 14 year old kid (you sure spell like one !) who has nothing better to do than troll this forum, I see this kind of thing all the time on other forums I visit, people signing up & pretending to be someone they are not .
others can believe what they want, but **I** will not trust one thing you say without PROOF !
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I believe the reason my devices are being suppresed is because they can free our citizens from the power grid
then, if you really who you say you are,
then you can put an end to the suppression
right here..... right now!
The answer is the device can repel ANY weak magnetic vibration. No one had said something like this before. Lets think how to do that.
That's not the real SM. Nice try.
@Grumpy
What makes you say it's not SM?
And, why did you lock your Back to Basics thread?
I can confirm that is the real Steven Mark.
Marco.
:)
All TPUers should read this article (some of you probably already have).
To briefly summarise; it describes the method for making a loop antenna of a few inches diameter have an effective apperture of tens of kms. It´s a really nice read:
http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
QuoteIn theory a tiny loop antenna sitting on your lab bench can intercept just as much energy as a longwire 1/2-wave antenna which is 10KM long. Bizarre, eh?
Quote from: wattsup on August 15, 2009, 02:40:02 PM
@Grumpy
What makes you say it's not SM?
And, why did you lock your Back to Basics thread?
I locked that thread because my post ws interupted, I then unlocked it.
In the last video by SM, he states that the energy comes from within the device - not the earth's magnetic field, not other EM fields of the earth.
If the device is used in a UFO, then how can the earth be the source of energy?
Also, what of this legendary statement by the SM that spoke through Mannix?:
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SM â€" TAO - The Secret
I want to mention about something I read on the site. A person named TAO wrote this to you a while back:
>As a gesture of good faith towards you and the rest I'll throw out some insights...
Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular
radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.
So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's
flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works. Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires
perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.
So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Lindsay, it is so VERY hard to describe things with words!
Sincerely, SM
Pay attention to the last part:
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.He is talking about a reaction between the collector current or fields and the oscillation which results in a magnification of the energy in the collector.
Quote from: Loner on August 15, 2009, 11:23:07 PM
Am I way off base here, or is that not the classic description of a Magnifying Transmitter. (So the receiver is close..)
Just trying to make simple sense as I have read that MANY times, and keep it in mind, but even with that statement being assumed correct, it doesn't mean that even SM fully understood all of the theory.
SO, are those two phrases related? Is an MT integral to a TPU?
An answer or opinion would be great.
Hi Loner, your theories are all good. I think TPU and MT are very similar.
I believe the TPU is within the near field of its source, but because the source is VLF this distance can be considerable and at low enough frequency can cover the globe.
At 5kHz the near field region is spherical (or lobed oblique spheroids) and the long radius of that collection volume is 60km. Imagine having access the EM available in such a massive volume!
In the TPU the collection volume probably reaches out asymetrically, mainly from the top, hence why it won´t work upside down, it needs to reach up to the energetic atmosphere above.
I think the TPU might manifest a virtual antenna (in the aether itself) that is the same as a physical antenna many kms long. Power must be used to construct this virtual antenna, TPU doesn't just sit there passively it uses considerable power to establish the virtual antenna but the power that virtual antenna is capable of collecting exceeds that needed to drive it provided your collection volume has its own energies oscillating at the frequency the device is tuned to.
Phase locking with source may not have to be actively done, provided it is tuned close enough it should phase itself up because in phase behaviour will be reinforced and so will naturally evolve. Provided the oscillator is not rigid (dont use external sig gen) but the dynamic behaviour of the device itself it should fall into lockstep with the source phase. This would explain SM saying tune just off, this will prevent excessive voltage climbs and stop the device arcing etc but it may also produce heat waste.
If one were not to understand this mechanism and had a working TPU on the bench it would appear to behave like a tank circuit which after excitation strangely rings up in amplitude until arcover
The following document makes sense to me, it explains how atoms which are 1 angstrom in size can absorb EM radiation (light) that has wavelength thousands of times bigger, this is an aspect of physics that no mainstream books has an explanation for that satisfies me, but when you consider the atom to generate its own virtual dipole that reaches out very far into surrounding space it starts to make sense.
Recommended read:
http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
@ sm
im happy you have returned ...
i do not doubt your devices your work reserch anything ...
your statements of the operation of the device ... are much like your rights ... the first thing the read wile hearing your rights ... are YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!! ...
THIS IS THE FIRST LINE .... y? so it is the first you forget!! ;D
verry much like it is the kick there in lies the rub..... :D
ist!
peace to you sm .. and all the best !! i hope your helth keeps up
i may sedjust .. some crystal theropy!! you will find this to heal you ..
isteam and this entire site THANKS YOU PERSONALLY !!
THANK YOU STEVEN MARKS!!
NEVER WILL YOU BE FORGOTTEN!
W
BTW IM 14 .... AND IT GOT NUTTIN TO DO WITH AGE ....... ;) AS IM NOW 32
Quote from: Loner on August 15, 2009, 11:23:07 PM
Am I way off base here, or is that not the classic description of a Magnifying Transmitter. (So the receiver is close..)
Just trying to make simple sense as I have read that MANY times, and keep it in mind, but even with that statement being assumed correct, it doesn't mean that even SM fully understood all of the theory.
SO, are those two phrases related? Is an MT integral to a TPU?
An answer or opinion would be great.
Perhaps.
I saw a documentary last night that detailed several events that could destroy civilization. One of these was "solar flares". This was uncanny because someone much smarter than me sent me a message a long time ago that had the subject "solar flare", but never mentioned them in the body of the message. Solar flares are known to produce energy burst that overcharge capacitors in power grids and the lights go out. Sounds like radiant energy. I believe that nuclear explosions also produce these bursts.
An interesting note on the MT is that Tesla demonstrated that a conductor (aluminum foil) held on a stick was quickly vaporized when held near the output coil of the MT. He also demonstrated the he could pull 100's of amps off this output coil (he did not mention the voltage available this way).
What is going on around this coil? Can this energy around the coil be utilized?
grumpy can you post a design ... drawing ... something like that i will build it
and test it ...
a neon can light from around a coil .. so im sure it can be used easly with some thought ..... :D
i have not studied the mt .. i dont think i need to ... just build it .....it will click ... for me this is how i operate .... :)
ist!
Let me not detract but add:
I got one of these: http://www.thequantumpulse.com/how_it_works.htm (http://www.thequantumpulse.com/how_it_works.htm)
With a broken clavicle and bruised rib 5 I have very little pain and after 2 days and I sleep like a baby. I haven't take pain pills in 2 days.
How did this come about? The device puts out DNA resonant frequencies that aid healing. I am a receiving antenna. I sing the body electric.
I have surgery Monday, Aug 17th to pull the clavicle back in place. It sticks up now. The docs say the healing will take months. Any bets on this application of Star Trek technology?
If you've read Dotto, Rife, Lakhovsky, Cayce you'd make money. Tesla had a radiant energy chair.
This device I have is a Tesla coil with the discharge path guided through tubes of the noble gases. Same energy as the sun. I have micro solar mass coronal emmissions at my disposal!
So back to the thread:
4 turns to 4" diam of 16awg stranded with 26awg wound perpendicular all the way around. Kicks and collection. 90degrees does work here as stated by Tesla. My first coil was that way too. Kinda sounds like Otto's too.
Or!:
3" coils with larger loops surrounding it like the SM17. Driven for only a short distance of the total length of the collectors. Mechanically larger aperture compared to the driver (kick producer).
--giantkiller. It is a great time to be alive. 8)
@gk,
Love your work, wishing you a fast and full recovery. The quantumpulse device sounds like its going to help your body heal. I can also recommend coenzyme Q10, 500mg to 2000mg per day. This feeds your symbiotic aliens (mitochondria) and they really start to superfuel your cellular activity. At higher doses grey hair regains pigment and post surgery healing is greatly accelerated. Of course good food, good company, nature and sunshine help lots too as does a positive attitude which you have plenty of.
energy sucking antennae is of interest because SM also stated that the magnetic field from his device is a very large one. This opens a wave aperature able to experience some very large waves. The canceling of the waves along the shell of the magnetic field inputs energy into the field. Devices then placed in the near field of the exciter transmitter experience gain in excess of the transmitter power.needed to produce the field. Why the rotation though. Would a ringcurrent produce a larger nearfield than a dipole? One that doesn't radiate like an oscillating voltage field. A very large torroidal magnetic field produced perpendicular to the ring current. The magneticfield lines of the Earth bending about the torroidal field stretched so to speak. Any vibrations traveling the Earth magfields transmitted to the magnetic ball. The issue I see with this is that if those field lines connect to the ball and then the ball pops. The magnetic reconnection will happen real fast. We should be a bit concerned with the magnetic near field of the Cern accelerator. The torroidal magnetic field produced in these plasma pinchers is real strong to put it mildly. That power goes down to the supercooled coils all at once and that tube is gonna flatten and produce an emp of a considerable magnitude. The cern is up and going a cosmic event occurs and changes the magnetic saturation parameters of the entire planet. Power transformer cores oversaturate and a circuitbreaker takes them off line. Cern magnets collapse magfield lines of the Earth reconnect and we have an emp produced with god only knows how many tetrajoules of energy released faster than a photon is produced by the corona. Makes a neculear explosion look like it happened in slow motion video. Hope these guys down there are monitoring solar storms since I imagine they are maxing out their power grid transformers looking for bosuns or some other stupid shit.
@Sparks,
Great post.
Reminds of when Oppenheimer asks Einstein if 50 feet away from ground zero is far enough. Einstein replies 'How about 50 miles?!'. It is not a question of how far we've come. It's more like 'I can't believe stupidity made it this far!'.
Just how far can stupid go? Intelligent minds want to stop it!
--giantkiller. LOL.
It's very interesting what SM is saying, also what sparks said is great. The loop antennas can open up that aperture and suck in lots of energy. The trick is still to have the correct phase of the driving current, but we can build that current from the external field itself, with proper matching networks for our antennas. It's the high Q that we need, and that's why I belive his TPUs are slightly more than a simple tuned loop antenna, they have to incorporate some magnetic wire and take advantage of magnetostriciton, or vibrations in the core, or who know, in some hiden component we don't see (crystal maybe), but he needs a high Q device and he has it.
EM
P.S. Steven, if you're reading this and feel like answering, can you tell us if you used a 9 V battery in your first device? The one you take out of your black box. This device is so simple, any comments you can make would be greatly appreciated.
What is Cern going to do but proove some more theoretical mathmatics. All those rescources both monetary and intellectual and plain old sweat wasted. And hot fusion another complete waste. Wouldn't it be easier to get some radiation by cooling electrons until they drop into a really low energy state and get accelerated towards the proton then jam two protons together. Imagine if a device was improvised to start converting the centripedal inertia of the moon to emradiation. As the inertia was converted or drawn from the moon it's orbit would slowly degenerate. As the moon entered the atmosphere little old planet Earth would start aburning her atmosphere. Look like a star for a day or two. Why not an atom? It wouldn't be as dramatic as harrp heating the plasmasphere for shits and giggle giving us a manmade aurora. Like we dont have enough shit to deal with coming from solar wind and cosmic radiation. Just get some emwaves to effect the low energy electrons to go lower. Cool and crash.
Hello all,
the last 3 weeks I was on vacation and had not much time to read what SM told us in his last post.
Now Im on my workplace and have plenty of time to read and reread a lot of times what our "boss" said (boss in a friendly way).
He said:
1.Just build them like I specified and you will suceed,
IF YOU HAVE THE NECESSARY MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES PRESENT AT YOUR LOCATION!!!
2.Perhaps I havent been as clear as I could have been, but you need to
TUNE YOUR DEVICES TO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY......
3.At my location we measured
VERY STRONG ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS WICH COUPLED TO MY DEVICES QUITE STRONGLY.
I dont want to comment his words but as I know his words are right I think I have to think again in another way.
This IS the reason to use tubes because they interact with the surrounding much better then transistors. I saw it using only a 5U4 tube.
What metal is used as anode in a 5U4 tube??
Was it ....forgot it....Nickel?
Otto
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 15, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
Dear friends,
I have received more personal messages and emails then I can respond too, so please accept my appologies for not writing to you personaly. thank you for the encouragements and well wishing. I am doing much better. Some of you have asked for more information about my devices and I took the time to look over some of my previous corespondence to Lindsay and I can see that I have given you more than enough information about my devices. It amazes me that so few of you have suceeded in replicating the power receptors. Just build them like I specified and you will suceed, if you have the necessary magnetic frequencies present at you location. Perhaps I haven't been as clear as I could have been, but you need to tune your devices to a magnetic frequency, these are not perpetual motion or free energy devices, they are conversion devices. I explained that they work much like a radio but nobody seems to be listening. At my location we measured very strong electromagnetic fields which coupled to my devices quite strongly. Dr. Swinzinger pointed to the high voltage power lines in my neighborhood, but I proved to him that it's not the high voltage powerlines. To answer one of the questions asked, the voltage does decrease with distance from the powerlines, but it is insignificant. We tested the device at the the doctors office and there were no powerlines anywhere nearby, and he became convinced that it's not the source of the energy. The earth magnetic field has a number of frequencies in the low kHz range and we tune to these. Personaly I don't care where the energy comes from, be it powerlines, be it welding machines at a nerby construction site, be it a radio tower nearby, I just tune my devices and receive as much energy as I need. I believe the reason my devices are being suppresed is because they can free our citizens from the power grid, or perhaps my technology is being used in flying saucers as a gentlemen confided in me. We observed strong vibrations and if we suppress those vibrations the effect disappears. I can build a device that can repell itself from any weak magnetic vibrations, no matter how small. I can't say anymore about this, I'm already cross the border. My advice to all of you is to just have fun, that's what experimentation is all about.
sincerely,
SM
Misinformation at it's finest. Now they are "power receptors" tuned to mysterious "magnetic frequencies".
If the device is a reciever, then why does it have a 9v battery?
If it is a reciever tuned to earth magnetic fields, how can it be used in a UFO?
EDIT:
See attached image.
@ otto... ;D
lol
neo zap hummmmmm nickel in a big vacume tube ... :D lol
i do agree tubes will make a better unit ... in many ways ...
lets call them EARTH FREQS... ... thease corespond to crystals and charakas ...
as well marco knows bout this ... i know where it goes... ;)
when you shut off the flow ... you get a kick back when you turn it on you get induction kicks KICKSSSSSS...
when you repete this at the earth freqs... you can TAP INTO THEM...
agin not required ... based upon speed ...
there toooooo many ways to make a tesla power unit! ;)
an ideal power unit would not need to tap the earth feilds .. as it would tap its own self made feilds... 8)
and then it would be UNIVERSAL....
so grumpy ... you need a power source first for your UFO... 8)
W
when we look at the ripples made when you drop a stone in a pond ... .. when we look on an o scope .. i see the same thing in my electrical waves .. but i think the scope can only see a sliver of it and it apears to be a line on the screen when infact it is 360 deg ...
verry much like what holds the plannets ... ;)
1 final word for you grumpy.. what does TESLA TEACH? the kick ... but he also teaches you get nothing for nothing ... meaning YOU FIRST MUST TRANSMITT IN ORDOR TO RECIEVE... ...
battery question answered ... as i recall your talking about SM'S basic units that require batteries ...
;D
my advanced designs ... only require an external source be applyed .. the FIRST fire up ;D ;)
@Grumpy
UFO....
Must be the mass transit variety for all the aliens already on Earth.
We know they are here. Many visit this forum all too often. 8-(
Quote from: BEP on August 17, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
@Grumpy
UFO....
Must be the mass transit variety for all the aliens already on Earth.
We know they are here. Many visit this forum all too often. 8-(
Probably modulating a radial electric field for propulsion - no shite - must heat up like a furnace.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 15, 2009, 03:17:36 PM
I can confirm that is the real Steven Mark.
Marco.
Okay maybe not :-\
Well..........Is he or isnt he?
He can't be both.
Also, why do yu have to "tune" to a magnetic wave? Everyone else just intercepts them with a conductor using a process called "induction".
Now, had he said "tune to a multi-polar wave that produces a magnetic field" - well then we might be on to something.
Hello all,
yes, it was Steven Mark with his post.
For me the most important post because now I finally got the confirmation ( in his last post) that the TPU recieves "something" from the outside and the TPU has only to amplify it. For me more then enough.
Thanks SM.
Otto
Quote from: otto on August 17, 2009, 04:42:13 AM
Hello all,
the last 3 weeks I was on vacation and had not much time to read what SM told us in his last post.
Now Im on my workplace and have plenty of time to read and reread a lot of times what our "boss" said (boss in a friendly way).
He said:
1.Just build them like I specified and you will suceed,
IF YOU HAVE THE NECESSARY MAGNETIC FREQUENCIES PRESENT AT YOUR LOCATION!!!
2.Perhaps I havent been as clear as I could have been, but you need to
TUNE YOUR DEVICES TO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY......
3.At my location we measured
VERY STRONG ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS WICH COUPLED TO MY DEVICES QUITE STRONGLY.
I dont want to comment his words but as I know his words are right I think I have to think again in another way.
This IS the reason to use tubes because they interact with the surrounding much better then transistors. I saw it using only a 5U4 tube.
What metal is used as anode in a 5U4 tube??
Was it ....forgot it....Nickel?
Otto
Hi Otto
If I understand what SM was saying is that you have to couple the TPU to very strong electromagnetic field(s).
How did you manage to connect to this electromagnetic field?
Was it a Gauss measurement or was it made through TPU frequencies?
When you locked in to the electromagnetic field(s) did the TPU experience an OU moment?
Please excuse all the questioning, just trying to get a grip on the subject ;D
Regards,
Paul
VERY STRONG ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS WICH COUPLED TO MY DEVICES QUITE STRONGLY.
Hello all,
@Goat
Im doing my job only with frequencies. 245kHz and 5 or 6kHz.
No OU because my TPU is not finnished but I see a current drop when the bulb is fine glowing. The point is that a vibration is needed to amplify the kicks in the way that the surrounding of the TPU is vibrated and in this way the TPU "connects" better to the outside, to say so.
As said, its not finnished but I have blown 1 of my transformers with only 0,6A from the power supply and this transformers can handle at least 3A!
Something is veeeery important and I have to speculate:
my workbench has a metal frame! Veeeery bad! I have to move my equipment to a wooden table so nothing disturbs the magnetic field that surrounds my setup.
I would love to be able to measure the magnetic field around my TPU but....
Otto
I think EM is correct. There is more to this device than a simple loop antennae. There are two loop antenna. I have yet to see an SM device that doesnt use two collectors which I dont even believe are collectors. They may be collectors in the sense that they resonate with a magnetic field relaxation and compression of an unknown frequency becoming the external modulated signal but I believe the voltage is developed between the two ring currents. Again we go back to SM and spherics who mention the kick or comp field developed between two transformers which are slightly out of phase. A rotating current can be viewed as always accelerating or deaccelerating with a frequency determined by the diameter of the current loop when considering just one plane of interest . Now if we have two of these current loops driven with the same input but one loop is less of a diameter than the other the acceleration of the currents will radiate two different frequencies from one common input. SM can get this thing to work on just one loop but the real deal kicks in when he powers up both rings. I swear Tesla used the same phenomen placing two series resonant circuits feeding a parallel resonant circuit through a spark gap.
The cores of the inductors saturate at a different time and a complimentary voltage is developed between the chokes and this voltage is what appears at the primary spark gap not the line voltage frequency. Each choke is series resonant with the spark gap capacitance but with slightly different core parameters. Tesla makes the whole grid feeding his circuits resonant determining the capacitance and inductance needed to get the whole grid bouncing which stores up the input energy. No wonder he shorted out power station generators. They were having to handle all sorts of current not really in their design parameters. This could be SM's overheat problem also. The rotational velocity of the ring currents speeding up and slowing down in resonance with the input excitation then added to that the currents flowing between rings through the load goes over the top. This is not free energy. There must be an input and a restorative force for any resonance. But if the outside of this virtual magnetic ball is alternately experiencing compression and relaxation of magnetic field lines bent over it's surface area then I can see it happening. Especially if the balls skin is measured by square kilometers.
The plasma currents convective and torroidal in the solar surface create scalar em waves that screeches the corona into existence. Do these scalar waves stop at the corona or are the they taking a wack at the magnetosphere. Is this power transmitted to the ambient emwave field via the interplanetary plasma with the lowdensity highly energized mass serving as the commutating media. The Earth a big magnetohydrodynamic powered loop antennae resonating with the scalar emwaves that produce the Suns corona?
Hello all
@otto
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 15, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
"Just build them like I specified and you will suceed, if you have the necessary magnetic frequencies present at you location."
Etwa die Schumannfrequenzen. Sind die nicht überall exakt gleich?
The Schumann frequencies? Are they not exactly the same everywhere?
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 15, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
"but you need to tune your devices to a magnetic frequency,"
"I explained that they work much like a radio"
"The earth magnetic field has a number of frequencies in the low kHz range and we tune to these."
Also doch nicht die Schumanfrequenzen, weil im Kiloherzbereich und er sagt das Magnetfeld der Erde hat diese Frequenz.
So not the Schumanfrequencies, because in the range of kHz and he says Magnetic field of the earth.
Gruß
Norbert
Hello all,
Norbert
no, not even a harmonic of a Schumann frequency. I dont know what it is but its working just fine.
Otto
So.....
In order to obtain a the vertical (precessing) current at 5686 Hz. you drive the continuous outer wrap at 224.227 kHz and the segmented controls at 35.705 kHz?
I assume, of course, the drive frequencies must be linked or entrained to one another.
Hello all,
@BEP
Im driving my coil, only 1 for now, with exact 245kHz. At this frequency I see a set of 2 or 3 or 4 kicks. This means they are vibrating in the horizontal direction and this means on the scope I see a left - right vibration.
With an added 2. frequency of 5 - 6kHz I see as a result of this 2 frequencis a vertical vibration on the scope and this means up - down. But this vibration in the vertical direction amplifies the kicks. When I carefully tune this 2 frequencies I can get a 3. frequency of 7 - 8Hz.
As said my TPU is NOT finished so I cant use a 3. frequency (around 30 - 35kHz).
My "micro TPU" is only a hand made little transformer.
I had 2 of them but 1 of them.....wire vaporized with a little current.
Otto
Quote from: otto on August 19, 2009, 07:33:15 AM
I had 2 of them but 1 of them.....wire vaporized with a little current.
Aha!
I had to replace a complete winding for the same reason. The insulation evaporated and the conductor became very brittle. All in less than a minute!
I am not home now but my last full test had vertical undulations of about 200 Hz. There is still much missing in my build >:(
@otto
That has also hapenned to me with regular toroidal transformers.
So you are using one coil now and you have adjusted your frequencies to work with that one coil.
Now when you have two coils, you connect the same way in parallel but this time you pass it through a potenionmeter to adjust the second one as fine tuning to be like the first (or slightly off). lol
You see the LPTU has two on/off switches with two wires goig to each. It also has a potentionmeter dial with only two wires. He says turn on primary frequency then turn on secondary frequency. He does not say turn on coil #1 and coil #2. These just connect the coils to the power driven pulse source because of the thick wires going to the switches.
The first coil works with one of the yellow caps in resonance to one adjusted frequency. The second yellow cap works with your second coil. Both receive the same frequency. The pot is used to adjust just the second coil to match the first frequency that is already adjusted for the first coil.
Added:
I have also noticed as I am sure you must have by now that it is not only th epusling freqency but also the pulse duty and pulse width that will play heavilly on this since at certain frequencies it will not work but if you adjust the pulse duty or width, it will work. This is because if you give too much, you will kill the effect.
Do not be mislead.
There are two ways: tapping existing magnetic disturbance or creating own one.Each require knowing exact resonant frequency or harmonics.
I'm not sure if creating own magnetic flux will be OU but why not ?
well i think the jt does just this ... and it is infact ou beond 1 doubt... and i would not doubt sm to be the originator of the jt ... but really who knows all of em use the kick weather they understand it or not
just the way i see it ...
here is a coil i threw togather just now
jt it ... and tap the extrnal feilds produced..
ist
i have an inductor cap rectifier ring i made too i will in 1 of the many tests drop it inside the 4" coil and see what happins ...... :D ;D
Dear friends,
I am being watched very closely. Last week somebody hacked into my email account and changed the password. I am not able to respond to any new messages. When i first found that the system was putting out more energy then i had to put in, the idea of rotating the energy came to mind. The first successful units only deliverd a couple of volts, but when these are put into rotation it amplifies the output many fold! The key is in resonating with the energy present. As most of you know in classic radio reception, the low frequency component is filtered out of the carrier wave by a diode and fed into a capacitor to smooth it out into sound. Some receivers first mix the received signal with a signal from a local oscillator and then the mixed signals are further processed in the next stage. Even other receivers stimulate the oscillation by feeding back a small amount of energy into the tank circuit. Remember what i told you about the VHF and UHF tubes that i used and the crystal clear results. Tubes can go far beyond the limits of transistors because the signals are processed at high voltage. This all relates to noise. If you have some noise in your amplifier, say 0.01 volts this is insignificant when the important signals are occuring at 250 volts or more, but when the important signals are only as low as tens of volts, this noise becomes major problem to deal with. And this is only noise, I am not even talking about the generation of odd and even harmonics... Which are another problem to deal with. In my units we are also intrested in a low frequency component but this component is a result of two or more other signals. This means it differs from the classical diode capacitor extraction methode and we are only intrested at mixing signals in the higher bands. Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat. Remember what i told you about the two signals slightly out of phase... If one of the coils is tuned to the beat of the high frequency mixing, it will resonate. If your high frequency waves are also resonating with other magnetic waves this will add to the final result...
Sincerely,
SM
@all
Anyone playing a guitar or base should know about the third wave created by 2 similar sound ,when tuning a guitar with the fifth fret , or any other way ear when the sound come close to being in tune you start hearing it and slows down until the guitar is tuned , well it slows down below hearing range , same deal here , thank SM.
This effect can be done with any two alike freq , but to get ou you need resonance form a unknown freq . Could it be deduced by the freq we already know .
Mark
By the way , i am sure some people around here would love to prove or disprove your ID maybe enough to hack you Sir .
Maybe just maybe some proof .
Whoever you are, you blew it with your last post. It should be obvious to most now that this is not the real Steven D. Mark.
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Hello all,
it seems that this is the last year to develop a TPU.
Thanks SM!!
Otto
I wanna believe he is the real one. Not because I am an idiot but because after 5 years of trying to get something to work, he is probably the best thing we have to succes on a public forum.
I hope he will be around for a while and give us more!
Thanks SM,
I wish you well!!
Greetings Spider.
SM has moved to a Western Europe time zone?
@s.m
its you say that MAYBE is like <henry moray reciver ist whit tubes
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOUR DEVICES IS NOT FREE ENERGY DEVICES IN YOUR VIDEO
THAT IS NOT COLECTHING ENERGY FROM <
Quote from: otto on August 20, 2009, 07:08:53 AM
Hello all,
it seems that this is the last year to develop a TPU.
Thanks SM!!
Otto
@otto
Why do you say this is the last year to develop a TPU?
Notice in SMs last post, he is somewhat confirming what I just posted on the previous page. The results based on this I have seen by pulsing two coils with two identical sine waves going one per coil but one being slightly off phase by about 6-8 degrees was giving the most effect. I was using my computer sine wave software and frequency was below 20k. It is already difficult enough to pulse one frequency, let alone the complexity of pulsing two frequencies. One frequency into two slightly different coils will give you two different results anyways. Why then do you need two frequencies?
Anyways, I am doing my final mapping of the FTPU and this time I am actually building the TPU with the outer rings and winds to follow the winds in the video so I can compare them when he turns the device upside down or when he turns it. There is no other way because trying to do it just visually becomes to complicated for the mind to absorb and then to try and draw in 3D. Once I have the final diagram I will post it and hopefully this will give you a better idea on winding and connections.
Tesla says that using undamped pulsing amounts to no more or no less then operating a standard transformer or working as a simple electrician. All the energy is lost in the system as society is doing today. It is only when the system uses damped pulsing that you will be able to produce high power outputs plus return the flyback back to source. So if SMs TPUs can produce more output, it must be using a damped pulsing scheme although SM may not be referring to it as such. This requires at least one coil of high-inductance and a capacitor.
In the FTPU, I think it is hidden between the two layers. In the OTPU, there are two of them below where he puts the magnets. Don't forget that in the LTPU, there is enough room in the base cavity to house many many 9vdc batteries and this means there is also enough room to hold a good sized high inductance coil or two.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Dear friends,
I am being watched very closely. Last week somebody hacked into my email account and changed the password. I am not able to respond to any new messages. When i first found that the system was putting out more energy then i had to put in, the idea of rotating the energy came to mind. The first successful units only deliverd a couple of volts, but when these are put into rotation it amplifies the output many fold! The key is in resonating with the energy present. As most of you know in classic radio reception, the low frequency component is filtered out of the carrier wave by a diode and fed into a capacitor to smooth it out into sound. Some receivers first mix the received signal with a signal from a local oscillator and then the mixed signals are further processed in the next stage. Even other receivers stimulate the oscillation by feeding back a small amount of energy into the tank circuit. Remember what i told you about the VHF and UHF tubes that i used and the crystal clear results. Tubes can go far beyond the limits of transistors because the signals are processed at high voltage. This all relates to noise. If you have some noise in your amplifier, say 0.01 volts this is insignificant when the important signals are occuring at 250 volts or more, but when the important signals are only as low as tens of volts, this noise becomes major problem to deal with. And this is only noise, I am not even talking about the generation of odd and even harmonics... Which are another problem to deal with. In my units we are also intrested in a low frequency component but this component is a result of two or more other signals. This means it differs from the classical diode capacitor extraction methode and we are only intrested at mixing signals in the higher bands. Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat. Remember what i told you about the two signals slightly out of phase... If one of the coils is tuned to the beat of the high frequency mixing, it will resonate. If your high frequency waves are also resonating with other magnetic waves this will add to the final result...
Sincerely,
SM
Dear Steven,
this is an email copy I received from the guy,
who hacked into your email account:
David, this is not who you think, I just received an interesting email giving me the password and userid to this account and instructing me not to reveal who I am, I'm not sure I want to anyway. Apparently it's a network of guys who are in some weird ESP project to force SM to surface or read his mind or something. This is all bull, or maybe SM is hiding in between them, that's pretty cleaver, my God, I never would of thought of that scheme. This way he can post from anywhere and will give them a hard time to track him down. I hate these games, but maybe they're necessary.
-jackbean
I wrote back to this guy:
Hi Jackbean,
why are you hacking into SM´s account ?
Do you want to act like a child ?
Do you find this funny ?
Please give him his email account back..
Many thanks.
==
Dear Steven, I wanted to ask you via email,
if the info you gave me about the iron coil
could be posted publically.
Please let me know.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
The following is a tongue-in-cheek translation:
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Dear friends,
I am being watched very closely. Last week somebody hacked into my email account and changed the password. I am not able to respond to any new messages. When i first found that the system was putting out more energy then i had to put in, the idea of rotating the energy came to mind. The first successful units only deliverd a couple of volts, but when these are put into rotation it amplifies the output many fold!
Rotation (of a field?) is required.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
The key is in resonating with the energy present. As most of you know in classic radio reception, the low frequency component is filtered out of the carrier wave by a diode and fed into a capacitor to smooth it out into sound.
DC restoration? â€" is SM biasing (clamping) the signal so that none of it is below the zero line.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Some receivers first mix the received signal with a signal from a local oscillator and then the mixed signals are further processed in the next stage. Even other receivers stimulate the oscillation by feeding back a small amount of energy into the tank circuit.
Is SM feeding back a small amount of energy from the collector (receiver) to run the oscillation circuit?
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Remember what i told you about the VHF and UHF tubes that i used and the crystal clear results. Tubes can go far beyond the limits of transistors because the signals are processed at high voltage. This all relates to noise. If you have some noise in your amplifier, say 0.01 volts this is insignificant when the important signals are occuring at 250 volts or more, but when the important signals are only as low as tens of volts, this noise becomes major problem to deal with. And this is only noise, I am not even talking about the generation of odd and even harmonics... Which are another problem to deal with.
I am guessing that “ringing†and other spurious signals (positive and negative) are detrimental to the device, so a very clean signal is required.
250v or more is required for operation.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
In my units we are also intrested in a low frequency component but this component is a result of two or more other signals. This means it differs from the classical diode capacitor extraction methode and we are only intrested at mixing signals in the higher bands. Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat. Remember what i told you about the two signals slightly out of phase... If one of the coils is tuned to the beat of the high frequency mixing, it will resonate. If your high frequency waves are also resonating with other magnetic waves this will add to the final result...
Sincerely,
SM
I am guessing that SM tuned the oscillator pulses (two signals out of phase) to coincide with the signals produced in the collector. This may require tuning the pulses with a load on the collector or feedback of some sort.
This time next year Earth will be traveling through the debris field from the current meteor strike on Jupiter as of July 19, 2009.
In 2010 it is estimated that the subterranean volcanic dome of Yellowstone will erupt.
Hello All,
As SM stated, the three "PURE" frequencies need to be mixed. This is so that they can "INTERMODULATE". They begin to add up and subtract down. With the "CORRECT" three frequencies, they produce in a fraction of a second "HUNDREDS" of replicas of the fundamental that the first collector is tuned to, via a resonant tuned tank, and "HUNDREDS" of replicas of the 2nd Harmonic, that the second collector is tuned to, via a resonant tuned tank, and "HUNDREDS" of replicas of the 3rd Harmonic, that the third collector is tuned to, via a resonant tuned tank. It is all about the math, as far as these three frequency's mixing and then, at the "THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION" (8) EIGHT harmonics of the fundamental "CONVERGE/RESONATE" and are "created" at one time. We have the three correct frequencies and we have the spreadsheet that shows ALL OF THIS.
This is why I have purchased DDS Sine gens. Digital, and VERY stable. Think about it, if your signal fluctuates, even a little, or if noise is present, or if ONLY odd harmonics are present, etc, it screws up the math (INTERMODULATION of the three frequencies). Out of phase is where the signal is split, and one leg of the signal is inverted 180 degrees. Out of phase signals "ASSIST" with the creation of intermodulation and form standing waves.
Ingredients:
Pure frequency (to start the math off correctly)
Fundamental frequency for the 15"
Carrier Frequency 1
Carrier Frequency 2
Mixer or tube amp to "mix" the three signals or "THEY WILL NOT INTERMODULATE"
Properly wound Coil (LINDSAY"S THREE STACK, but with the collector HORIZONTAL not vertical)
Rectifying the signal at the end and placing the pulsed DC as a bias into the Outside collector loop. (Lamp chord, two conductor=inner loop and outer loop.
Collector 1 is tuned to the fundamental input frequency as tuned resonant tank
Collector 2 is tuned to the 2nd harmonic of said fundamental freq as tuned resonant tank.
Collector 3 is tuned to the 3rd harmonic of said fundamental freq as tuned resonant tank.
With the "CORRECT" three frequency's, they "BECOME" the beat frequencies.
Bias picks up the current and becomes the output.
My thoughts on the matter.
I hope to see only a "small" amount of OU, because my voltage is too low, but I will add on a power amp stage and boost the voltage! Using only a battery for supply, so no noise. DDS Sine, so no noise, no fluctuation, and harmonics generator to give me both even and odd harmonics as put out by a tube amp. Just need more voltage!
Cheers, ;)
Bruce
@ Steven Mark,
thanks so much for risking whatever you're risking to communicate with us. I would advise to consult a computer expert on how to hide yourself online and post without being observed. Use a public WiFi connection, etc....
So we need to mix 3 frequencies, that's awesome. Guys I think we have so much info about how to build this thing, don't you think?
I still consider, despite what SM has said, that the energy comes from the power lines, or some radio transmitter (maybe military VLF, etc..) It could explain why they don't like it.
anyway, we can use his principles to receive anything we want. Throw some rotation of field in there and you got it. Back to the work bench.
EM
I got an email from another forum user.
The hacker, who hacked into Steven Mark´s GMail account seems to
have set the password back to what it was before the hack.
Here is the email:
=====================================
I got a response from the hacker!!!
I sent this:
Please give Steven back his email account!
Why are you doing this? Don't you want this technology in the
world? I really am curious, so PLEASE respond to me, I want to know
why.
Thanks!
Peace...
and he responded right away with:
I only did this to see if this person was really who he claimes as well as to see if there was any usable information in this mailbox.
I did not found any information that can help us.
There are only messages about his health so i guess it is the real Steven.
I will now change the password back into what it was so Steven can use this adress again.
I am sorry if you feel bad about my action, i was only desperate to see if there would be any information that could help me with replicating the technology...
Have a nice day
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 20, 2009, 12:58:01 PM
This is why I have purchased DDS Sine gens. Digital, and VERY stable.
Bruce, when you mix your 3 DDS modules will you have them share a common clock to ensure no phase drift? I think you can do that with them.
@stefan
So what is the verdict? Was that SM or not who made these posts.
And if it is an impostor, will you ban the guy?
Hacked a GMail account? Yea. Sure. To do that this person would have to crack through at least two firewalls and then crack one of many, many redundant systems.
Ok. I'll bite. I think Google would be very interested. There should be a reward for slamming the cell door on such a person.
Changed the password back?
Boy! This person must be really good.
Or.... He already knew the username and password.
Hacker and imposter the same person?
I agree BEP, seems hard to do that, I think it's SM for reals and he's playing a new strategy perhaps. This forum is getting more and more interesting by the day. All we need now is for Jack Durban to show up and start a shouting match with Steven, .... LOL :D
I think I still have that voice mail recording from Steven to Durban, that's got to be classic !!!
EM
Hello all
@Steven Mark,
please forgive me this post but.....maybe Im asking much!
Maybe it would be interesting for all of us to hear your story about the TPU. We already know that a tube when first switched on gives a kick......
it would be interesting to know how you got the idea to build a TPU, your thoughts, your failures and successes.....not HOW to build one, just .....I mean from 1 kick from a tube to a TPU is a looooong time, a lot of money....
Im interested in the "background" story. Of course Im NOT asking anything thats forbidden for you to tell us!!!!
I hope you understand what I mean.
Im just asking. Maybe we have luck??Ha,ha.
Otto
Ok, SM said 2 freq , almost the same , the third one is kind of a ghost, depending on the phase it can be really slow , and could be filtered without effecting the transformer action , and then sent back in the loop.
Mark
Sm is mostly into amps , he probably like tube amps , and he discovered the effect playing with speakers ,he is a audio guy , if you have a guitar and good ears you can simulate the third note real easy , but will you ear it ?
Denny Doherty once said that when the vocal conditions were right there was a 5th member of the 'Mamas and the Papas'...I believe they named him Fred or something like that.
Regards...
Did I correctly understood ? First + second frequency generate beat.Rotation is a way to accumulate effect around. Tank circuit is set to resonate at beat (which is third frequency).
Is that SO SIMPLE ?
If two tanks are resonating at the same frequency (especially at a harmonic of the beat freq) but out of phase a voltage is developed between the two resonant tanks. This voltage can be collected on a capacitor or circulated as current between the two resonating portions of the circuit without dampening the generating resonant circuits. Why go to these lengths why not just generate a pulse. Because the exchange of energy between the tanks is conserved and does not represent a loss from the circuit. We can dampen the oscillations in the transfer part of the circuit without effecting the primary oscillators. This dampening is for free.
Quote from: sparks on August 21, 2009, 06:01:15 PM
If two tanks are resonating at the same frequency (especially at a harmonic of the beat freq) but out of phase a voltage is developed between the two resonant tanks. This voltage can be collected on a capacitor or circulated as current between the two resonating portions of the circuit without dampening (1) the generating resonant circuits. Why go to these lengths why not just generate a pulse. Because the exchange of energy between the tanks is conserved and does not represent a loss from the circuit. We can dampen the oscillations in the transfer part of the circuit without effecting the primary oscillators. This dampening is for free. (2)
(1) I think you meant undampening.
(2) Because damped waves (energy pulses, frequencies, etc) can be returned back to the source while undamped waves are just wasted in the circuit. According to Tesla that is.
I would strongly advise to use the tech information provided.
hey, but what would I know?
It would not hurt to set up some VHF triodes
If you are interested
i will set up the vhf tubes i still have ...
but honestly i have no idea what sm was doing and why he complicated the damm thing...
i dont need 2 freqs ... and if i did use 2 freqs ... it would not be used in such a mannor ... AS IT IS NOT REQUIRED AT ALL!!
BUT WHAT EVER GOTTA BURRY IT SOME HOW EH!!
if i used 2 freqs ... this is how MY STUFF WITH 2 FREQS OPERATES...
make a vibrating unit ... simple now put a switch on it .... duh... 2 freqs .. the first freq is the NATURAL RUNNING FREQ... second is to control it from over heating... PEROID!
then make a few of them ... harvest the ringgging colapse ... i have done this on my 5555 coil ...
its on youtube ... i combine all 3 rinngggging colpases on my collector so i have a constant ou put
ist!
and my stuff uses TESLAS kick!!! ;)
so if you dont got teslas kick down why are you pissing round with the sm kick....
hummmmm you must first understand why this kick proprogates... how to make use of it ... collect it and put it to work ...
after that ... who cares how a sm tpu works .... ;D cuz you will then know HOW ALL OU UNITS BUILT IN THE PAST OPERATE ... ;)
OK ILL SHUT UP NOW ;D
Quote from: Mannix on August 22, 2009, 08:56:00 AM
I would strongly advise to use the tech information provided.
I don't mean to urinate up someones tree but 'tech information provided'?
Where?
I've spent my whole life working in technical fields. Tech information means drawings, parts lists, theory of operation, etc. The only information I've seen that fits 'tech information' are from very few experimenters. I've seen pieces of a theory of operation but how those pieces go together and whether they are complete is unknown.
As far as using VHF triodes I think I can say I have. Did you know you can amplify a signal with a simple triode circuit with power applied only on the filament?
I suspect you would need no power if you could use a cold cathode type. Haven't found any of those yet.
I would love to see some tech info but we've already been told that much detail won't happen.
@bep
Look no further for a cold cathode than your smoke detector. The ionizing chamber in there doesnt quite emit electrons but it does emit some ionizing frequencies. Ionize the gas and the electrons are freed up. No heat involved at tall. Tesla used diode tubes. We have a gas we give it high frequency the gas ionizes. In the presence of a magnetic field an ionized gas neuclides go one way while the electrons go the other. The ozone hole is at the southpole while the hydrogen fountain is at the northpole.
sparks and bep you guys ... lol ;D
....
when i was playing with a cfl tube i did notice quite a zap from it .... on the finger a time or 2 ... defenatally more than i was applying to the gas tube ..
i have not played tubes yet at all ...
yikes IMAGINE I DID .... 2 or 3 years ago ..... sheesh ... god no! ..
lol
it would be diffrent now ... if i did .. i will garentee it!! the time for that was not correct ...
time and place ..
nows the time overunity.com is the place
ist!
There are several problems here:
1. What is the kick ? Is that the same we are thinking about ? Or maybe there are many kinds of 'kick' ?
2. What is 'rotation of energy' which allow to enlarge effect or manifold it ?
3. The output which somehow not influence cumulation of kicks.Is that a special tank circuit with transformer ? Here we know for sure that it works without load and with load. Is that a job for electronic circuit to match load or it's done without electronic circuit ?
I'd like to know if we could be sure about answer of at least one of those questions ?
@inno
florescents have mercury vapor as the gas. You can light these up and never touch the filaments with electricity. Mercury vapor readily ionizes absorbing a broad spectrum of emradiation. Another Tesla machine. He would put on a light show by changing the gas vapor density in various tubes and by changing the frequency light whatever bulb up he wanted. Plasma is a good emradiation collector. Maybe we need plasma solar cells. You could sell this because the scource of energy is very apparent. If you had a plasma that collects infrared frequency then you could power a refridgerator with a blackbody emitter and a tube. The more infrared em the colder the fridge gets. Oh Oh violation of thermodynamics right there. You cant make something hot make something cold.
My notebook power connector just broke,
and the recent email from Steven Mark about the iron wire
in his biggest TPU is still on that harddisk.
Now he wrote back, that I can post the info.
He said, that he used iron wire from coat hangers in his biggest TPU
for the collector loop coils and that he thinks the mechanical vibrations
of the coils played a role in the amplification of the power.
When I will get a new power connector for my notebook
on Monday and have soldered it to the notebook motherboard
I will post his whole email.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 22, 2009, 03:54:04 PM
My notebook power connector just broke,
and the recent email from Steven Mark about the iron wire
in his biggest TPU is still on that harddisk.
Now he wrote back, that I can post the info.
He said, that he used iron wire from coat hangers in his biggest TPU
for the collector loop coils and that he thinks the mechanical vibrations
of the coils played a role in the amplification of the power.
When I will get a new power connector for my notebook
on Monday and have soldered it to the notebook motherboard
I will post his whole email.
Regards, Stefan.
Thanks Stefan!
That would be one piece of the puzzle.
Like most, I've studied the cutaway video many times. I don't recall anything resembling clothes hanger wire.
But then, most think there was only one 6 inch TPU. I can accept clothes hanger wire on the small one that was turned off by flipping, the first and second 6 inch TPUs but all others provided me no signs of such wire.
Not to say it wasn't there. I just didn't see any signs of it.
Just thought of something.....
Clothes hanger wire.... talk about a wide variety of possible material!
They are typically made from all the drippings of junk left over from smelters.
OMG!
I think iron would explain the over heating , by its resistive nature...
But also iron respond magnetically easily compered with copper to copper type coil.
On the first tpu , he did say bailing wire , also iron.
Almost Tesla all the way ?
Dear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_iron
isotope 56 maybe ?
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm
Quote from: BEP on August 22, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
I don't mean to urinate up someones tree but 'tech information provided'?
Where?
I've spent my whole life working in technical fields. Tech information means drawings, parts lists, theory of operation, etc. The only information I've seen that fits 'tech information' are from very few experimenters. I've seen pieces of a theory of operation but how those pieces go together and whether they are complete is unknown.
As far as using VHF triodes I think I can say I have. Did you know you can amplify a signal with a simple triode circuit with power applied only on the filament?
I suspect you would need no power if you could use a cold cathode type. Haven't found any of those yet.
I would love to see some tech info but we've already been told that much detail won't happen.
The s/n ratio of the bottle and why! Is this not the correct context for tubes ?
Using coat hangers is not using bailing wire.
First off, you would not be able to get enough length to make even one loop in the MTPU or LTPU. You would have to twist several ends together and what would such a twisting do the the action of the iron. Don't know.
The other solution if using coat hangers is that they are not going around the circumference in a loop but are used in distinct smaller sections of the outer ring. That would hold closer to what SM just said about one impulse gaining, then going into the second and gaining, then going into the next, and so on.
One thing also about coat hangers. They don't make them like they used to. In the past, I used to be able to open my car door if I left my keys and locked the door. These days, the wire is so damn cheap you can't really do it. lol
@BEP
Yes Ok there are more then one 6TPU, but they are still 6TPUs. The STPU has two protruding solid stems as outputs where SM put his lamp directly. Those could be iron wire.
@stefan
Quote from: wattsup on August 20, 2009, 08:36:58 PM
@stefan
So what is the verdict? Was that SM or not who made these posts.
And if it is an impostor, will you ban the guy?
Is there a concrete answer to this question because from all that's going on, I and probably others are rather confused.
Quote from: Chef on August 22, 2009, 10:03:03 PM
That's the point. I don't know, is it planned or that's just a natural path, where the story goes, but I am sure, these post by that man will not change anything. Doesn't matter who he really are.
Peoples are just plain egoist, envy to each others, selfish,that's why there is no real public progress on that exploring journey. Peoples won't change. If somebody eventually will replicate the technology, he will not share with others, but than, what's the whole point of that public "guess what" play? Is there any? :-\
If you want to believe, and have faith, you can do it, you can take his words as golden bricks, or you can stay in the field of science and do what you have to do to achieve your goals.
One can not be a perfect Prophet unless he/her is a true time traveler and one cannot be a time traveler without being a perfect Prophet. it goes with the game.
there are no perfect Prophets in this world unless you have either of the above.
it is the souls truth. worshipping time travelers. they have an edge over everything in the past.
a level 4 civilization can time travel, this is where it all starts.
the problem, is it alien or is it native. you decide. I believe it is native because I know that time travel has a higher value rather than Earth being visited by Aliens. I choose Native.
Jerry ;)
@Mannix
I have no doubt use of tubes is as written in the SM chronicles. Only my most recent TPU attempt uses SS in the PAs.
@Wattsup
The iron wire outerwrap would have a very large spacing between turns. A clothes hanger can be wrapped, in a poloidal fashion, around a 6" TPU. I guarantee it.
I remember opening my locked Honda with a coat hanger around 1990. It was strong but not very ductile. I had to bend it with my cold hands. It didn't give when used.
I have no idea how old it was then.
Quote from: BEP on August 22, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
@Mannix
I have no doubt use of tubes is as written in the SM chronicles. Only my most recent TPU attempt uses SS in the PAs.
@Wattsup
The iron wire outerwrap would have a very large spacing between turns. A clothes hanger can be wrapped, in a poloidal fashion, around a 6" TPU. I guarantee it.
I remember opening my locked Honda with a coat hanger around 1990. It was strong but not very ductile. I had to bend it with my cold hands. It didn't give when used.
I have no idea how old it was then.
Look up the Scientific formula of Faith, it is really quite simple. it can move mountains.
I didn't mean to disturb you, only share. look it up.
do you believe in shortcuts from the future? far beyond you? the children of tomorrow exist and since they exist there is a probability they will communicate. are you listening?
He gave it freely but no one see's it.
Jerry ;)
in post 2 sm said >>Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat.
my theory to to find the 3 Frequencies : use the ggT / ggV
the mix of those Frequencies must be set to 50/60HZ AC
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 22, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
Dear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
This reminds me strongly of the Coler converter.
A.
well guys ...
i like the coat hanger idea .. i have not tryed it ...
steven ... thanks for your continued encourgement!! it is verry much appreciated ..
indeed the kids of tommorow are here today ... that is plainly seen! ;D ;D
i know you do NOT NEED TO LOOK FOR A NECULAR MAGNETIC EXPLOSION ...
unless you dont want a house left as steven just explained ...
and im just guessing here you dont want to end up with messed up body cuz you were messing with human freqs ... eh gk?
so why not build a safe unit useing 1 freq and teslas kick trick ....
simple as that ...
after that is built working and exposed public .. we could advance the ou put of it ... safely ...
and easly ...
ist
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 22, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion.
@SM
The reason why I pursued the TPU was because the bi-layer or open TPU looked almost exactly like my last EMP experiment. It was impossible to stabilize between the point of being a good party trick and the point of damaging nearby electronics. It also exposed unopened photographic film - not a good thing.
Your device exhibited the control I needed. The important factors were, how the fields work together, frequencies, etc.
If this momentary conversion of iron to an isotope is true I think I will bow out of this game. I hope your reported illness is not related to the TPU work. Many of these projects can cause some real health problems.
BEP
Quote from: BEP on August 23, 2009, 10:22:53 AM
@SM
The reason why I pursued the TPU was because the bi-layer or open TPU looked almost exactly like my last EMP experiment. It was impossible to stabilize between the point of being a good party trick and the point of damaging nearby electronics. It also exposed unopened photographic film - not a good thing.
Your device exhibited the control I needed. The important factors were, how the fields work together, frequencies, etc.
If this momentary conversion of iron to an isotope is true I think I will bow out of this game. I hope your reported illness is not related to the TPU work. Many of these projects can cause some real health problems.
BEP
i beleave with the ist arc reactor im getting X ray flashes ... :o :o :o :o
hummmmmmm just guessing its not a good thing .... i say XRAY cuz i feel the HEAT of the light flashes on my skin ... at a distance from the arc...
so that is a HOT reactor .. most likely not the safest way to do it .... ;) im not saying it could not be sheilded ...
i bet bep ... the flashes will burn a pic in film ... :)
i never tryed ...
ist!
people got me q in ? where is the LOVE.... [?] .... [!] 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJpyskHMwRs
IF YOU NEVER KNOW TRUTH YOU NEVER KNOW LOVE ....
for bep ... 3:28 - 3:30 ;) BEP = BLACK EYED PEAS... ;)
WHATS YOUR HANDLE ALL BOUT BEP?
BEP is an old MI callsign. It is pronounced letter by letter.
DE BEP
BT AR K
I just thought of something, this makes so much sense what SM is saying, remember in the 80's those two scientists that came up with cold fusion? What if this is similar? I remember some experiments from Naudins web page where he has hydrogen in a closed container with a filament wire and he pulses the wire with DC and measures the power input and the heat output (the whole thing is placed in a calorimeter) He is getting extra energy out.
What if SM found something similar to this? Interesting, something to think about.
EM
P.S. Can this be the iron wire? (see figure bellow)
QuoteDear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
All energy is derived from mass as is all mass derived from energy. A charged capacitor is more massive than an uncharged capacitor. A spinning top is harder to move than a dead top. Why? The more energy in a field the more gravity or attractive force. Gravity is the attraction of energy for energy. It is one of the primordial forces. A proton has slightly less mass than a neutron because it's shell is spinning whereas a neutron exibits no spin. The neutron contains many orders of gravity over that of a proton. The neutron when extracted from an isotope takes with it the gravity pressure assembling energy about the atomic core. This gravity pressure is responsible for the weak atomic force. The atomic neuclear lattice now readjusts to the new pressure and the readjustment issues highenergy oscillations that radiate from the atomic core. This radiation is a natural event as a neutron overloads at some point and converts into a proton. Why is this a bad health risk? The neutron once extracted and accelerated is hard to slow down. It pretty much displaces anything in it's path until randomized collisions cause it to slow down. There it begins to assemble a new atom from ionized free protons and electrons etc. The size of the neutron (neutrinos if you look at a different scale) is the problem. They are small enough to damage just specific parts of a dna chain without causing a death to the entire cell. It's not the radiation burns that will get ya it's the holes in the dna chain. I rather put my hand next to a cold dense plasma at least the neutrons stay at home while the other more energetic particles are collected by the plasma. Frigging accelerated neutrinos when you sun bath are even more dangerous as they can be real pervasive. Sincerely hope that SM's tpu experiments did not result in any adverse health effects and if so offer my condolense and thanks for his sacrafice pioneering this device.
@EM
Yes. All evidence points me to those two conductors being iron. Also, notice they enter on the same side. This means the turn directions are counter to each other.
Also think about the carbon fusion experiments creating particles of iron.
Much fits now. This could explain my last insulation evaporation fiasco.
BEP
@BEP
Could you PM me please? I have some questions to ask about the EMP problems.
chadj2
Sorry folks.
For those PMs about EMPs, I don't make it a practice to share EMP info. It remains a curiosity and occasional reason to not pay an unwanted visit. Unless you have a spare nuke it is not an easy productive road to travel. My old boss wouldn't appreciate it.
Quote from: BEP on August 23, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
Sorry folks.
For those PMs about EMPs, I don't make it a practice to share EMP info. It remains a curiosity and occasional reason to not pay an unwanted visit. Unless you have a spare nuke it is not an easy productive road to travel. My old boss wouldn't appreciate it.
i do agree emp is not the best solution ...
i like feroite ... it is fast ... kinda contains the thing ... ;)
ist!
Quote from: BEP on August 23, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
Sorry folks.
For those PMs about EMPs, I don't make it a practice to share EMP info. It remains a curiosity and occasional reason to not pay an unwanted visit. Unless you have a spare nuke it is not an easy productive road to travel. My old boss wouldn't appreciate it.
Please explain.
You would like info about this fantastic technology which we have been told can be extremely dangerous,yet you deem it unsafe so wont share your experiences so that others MAY learn from yours.
People are responsible for their actions and precautions are the only thing that will protect them from harm, intentional or otherwise.
Of course its a kind of EMP but it must be controlled . There is a person here, willing to share some basics, who knows a lot about how to control it and just perhaps others will learn to in time.
I bet when fire was first discovered people burnt themselves.
This is not, and never will be a cooking class
Instead of scaring everybody how about assisting like you want others to?
It not your fault if you give matches to neanderthals wether they manage to create an industrial revolution or burn their house down. But they are playing with matches any way
The fact is that this technology exists and will not go away . The only question is what are you going to do abut it? nothing? ok then jusy give up but please do not run away like a scared child.
Please help people and know that you did what you could. eventually our resources will dry up and governments will have no option but to watch us all starve , like much of the world already is.
Personally I think you have the necessary ...always have
Lindsay
Now, the emp experiment?
Quote from: dani1 on August 23, 2009, 06:08:34 AM
in post 2 sm said >>Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat.
my theory to to find the 3 Frequencies : use the ggT / ggV
the mix of those Frequencies must be set to 50/60HZ AC
I practice you will see the third freq to be changing rapidly in a really narrow range between the 2 freq .
Thanks for the backup Mannix,
I really think the EMP angle possibility of the TPU should be investigated. I will list a few reasons why I believe that this device may center around the generation and capture of a EMP or radiant spike. I am not sure what the difference is between EMP and radiant spikes since they both create electron movements in object nearby.
I think that Steven Mark may have actually given us the information to recreate the TPU but not in a obvious fashion. Remember when Steven stated that all you need for overunity was a voltage source and a piece of wire and a way to measure what comes out. How many of us really tried it. Now he didnt say it real clearly but to get a small EMP you need high voltage. A lot of people talk about switching times but it doesnt matter if you have a switch that can turn on in 1 ns, but only 24 volts pushing the electrons. To get a decent pulse you need high voltage pushing those electrons. Now you also need a decent amount of electrons to accelerate being pushed by that voltage source to cause the electrons to radiate. That is why we need to use a capacitor charged to high voltage. See the possible similarity to the Ed Gray device? Once again high voltage and a capacitor and a abrupt discharge through a spark switch. ALso, think about the Testika device. Isnt it a interesting coincidence that they are using a whimhurst or something to create high voltage.
Remember when Steven said that tao definately had the secret when tao described the radiant spikes that Tesla got when he abruptly discharged a capacitor through the wires. That is the only time Steven said that someone had the secret. Coincidence?
Remember on the early devices we saw that small torroidal looking inductor? IS there a possibility that instead of using a spark gap to discharge the capacitor Steven was using a saturable core switch. In other words the switch holds the voltage in the capacitor while the capacitor charges up then the core eventually saturates and lets all the current through. These switches have advantages over spark gaps in that they dont get damaged each time they fire. But they can also handle very high voltages.
ALso, remember in the videos when people said that they felt a vibration in the devices. Disregard just for a second the gyroscopic effect that Steven talked about. The fact that people can feel it says to me that this device is probably firing as a very low frequency. I seriously doubt that it is firing at 5000hz. If these are substantial pulses at 5000 hz you would definately hear it. HOwever, have played around with low frequency pulses and when you get low enough in is not so audible but you can feel it. I would guess this thing is firing at well under 60hz. The significance of this is that something is taking substantial time to charge or some components are being driven very hard and need a cooldown time (ie capacitors pulsing 100 plus amps per discharge).
Remember when Steven said that they didnt patent the coils? Why do you think they didnt patent the coils? Could it be because they cant be patented because they are already patented by someone else(ie Tesla). What if these devices are quite similar to miniature magnifying transmitters?
They cant be repatented just because you find a new use for them.
I realize that there are dangers associated with RF but most of that can be shielded and field detectors and scopes can detect how much leakage you have with each device. I am going to continue with my experiments with or without help from this forum. I was hoping to get some input as to how people kept from damaging equipment closeby with some discharges being too large. I have an expensive O-scope. I was just sharing my course of study and welcoming input as to whether I may be misinterpreting what I have read. Let me know what your thoughts are.
Chad
There is no iron in my EMP set. Other than banging two opposed magnetic and dielectric fields together at the highest rate possible, I doubt my experiments relate to a TPU.
The frequencies for mine are PRF not sine. The sequence is a one time thing. By the time the first set are done everything is done.
The TPU is supposed to run off of? - maybe a small starting battery? - maybe ambient energy?
The TPU, at best, has some small normal duty parts.
The TPU provides a bit of vibration.
My EMP set almost completely depletes two 560 Ah car batteries on one firing. The switches are as big as your fist (solid-state). There are multiple caps, each as big as a lunch box.
When it goes off you feel like the wall ran into you.
Running it low power/continuous makes for several fun things. I've mentioned all before. Make a watch run slow and recover instantly when you kill the power - plus and minus temperature gradients, plus and minus light color gradients - numerous health effects.
About the only things that are similar are the looks and the fact I used Thyratrons with thoriated tungsten the first few times. They were the only thing I had that could handle several ns @40kA.
It can only be made slightly directional. Not enough to save your equipment, even if your equipment is unplugged.
Now how does that relate?
Should I also post complete plans for a table top dirty nuke made from junkyard parts?
If you wish to bang fields together - no problem. I've posted suggestions for such numerous times.
For now, I think I should just keep my crack-pot status.
Thanks for the input BEP,
In my experiment I am not aiming at producing a distant effect from the discharge. Even if I wanted to create a destructive EMP I couldnt afford the equipment or have the knowhow to do it. But when you said it want very directional what kind of antenna were you using? I have read that loop antennas are very directional. Also, what equipment did you damage? How close was the equipment to the discharge? Did you try to lay the wires of the equipment in such a way to minimise electromagnetic coupling. You know that with a dipole antenna I think you lose more than half of the reception if the transmitter is vertically polarized and the reciever is horizontal. Thanks for your help.
Chad
@chadj2
I just read your post above.
If you think an EMP is just a burst of RF or radiant energy and you can easily shield devices, I am afraid to tell you you are not talking about an EMP.
Every time I've mentioned this beast some fool boasts about building shielding. I really wish I could demonstrate a real EMP to these folks. Their boasting would be finished.
EDIT>>>
Yes. All normal measures were taken. Wire alignment, grounding, Faraday cages, etc.
As far as big vs. small -- smaller means less range. Not so much less damage.
Directionality? Again, I'm not talking about an RF burst. There is no antenna, only the main coil. I know of nothing that will reflect the burst. Absorbtion works but requires large amounts of mass.
@BEP,
With all due respect to you since you have experimented with this, if this pulse is as unshieldable as you say you have already found a source of limitless free energy. That would mean you can build layer after layer of recieving antennas and no matter how many electrons are accelerated in those receiving antennas they dont attenuate the source wave that is advancing. It sounds almost too good to be true, but once again you are the authority on it since I havent seen it first hand yet.
Chad
When I started this toy it was for the 'more power' aspect. I wanted to see what could be done.
It wasn't until a couple of years ago I thought the same about distribution of the power or free energy from this set.
The only results I can get are the fact that it works 'all or nothing'. I have found no middle ground. The 'control issue' is what made me look at TPUs.
Again, since I'm not transmitting RF there is no transmission of usable power. No matter how I look at the actions efficiencies are well under unity.
I think my EMP games are off topic.
Now, if we wish to talk about creating a similar effect with iron as a fuel, instead of the stereo of a noisy neighbor.... we need to do some experimenting.
@BEP,
Once again thank you for your observations. You have definately convinced me to look again into more thorough shielding. I will leave you alone about your EMP device in the future. I am just a little puzzled as to how you are sure you are not transmitting radio frequency energy. I would assume that you pulse has a rise time pulse period and a fall time which would fall at some frequency. I mean even microwave crowd dispersal cannons have a radio frequency range that they operate at. As far as I understood there wasnt a lot of difference between EMP and HERF(high energy radio frequency). But once again thanks for your time.
Chad
Could any of you guys with HV/RF experience explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFca2xGpaA
@Yucca,
I haven't actually run my setup yet but from what I have studied on this subject I would suspect 2 things that could be varying your frequency. First, the air in you spark gap is heating up as the spark fires. This would effect the voltage at which the air breaks down. As I have seen some Tesla coil people running fans through their spark gaps to ensure they fire properly. Also, I am sure that your ceramic capacitors are type 2 or 3 ceramic material which vary quite a bit in their capacitance as they heat up. Type 3 varies more than type 2 check the datasheet to be sure. But these are just guesses. By the way thanks for posting that video.
Chad
Nice Video Yucca.
I would love to see someone build an EM reflective room and in that room place just one active tesla coil in the middle, around the active tesla coil place a hundred inductive tesla coils that only react to the one active coil so that all other secondaries are inducted to convert the EM field to electrical voltage output. sort of a Tesla coil recycling room.
it would be expensive but it would be the neatest experiment I would ever see and anybody else for that matter.
That would be sweet!
Jerry ;)
Quote from: chadj2 on August 23, 2009, 08:05:09 PM
@BEP,
Once again thank you for your observations. You have definately convinced me to look again into more thorough shielding. I will leave you alone about your EMP device in the future. I am just a little puzzled as to how you are sure you are not transmitting radio frequency energy. I would assume that you pulse has a rise time pulse period and a fall time which would fall at some frequency. I mean even microwave crowd dispersal cannons have a radio frequency range that they operate at. As far as I understood there wasnt a lot of difference between EMP and HERF(high energy radio frequency). But once again thanks for your time.
Chad
You are welcome.
At best, HERF is a demonstration of the very last part of an EMP. After the relaxation of an EMP, there are very wide band damped oscillations. A typical EMP is a single pulse. Hence the letter 'P' in EMP :)
The damage is done during the bubble expansion. Not so much by the expanding magnetic bubble but the charges that fill the void during the expansion - and then the reverse action during relaxation.
If an EMP like action is related to a TPU then I don't think the damped oscillations are needed or wanted. I can imagine the sudden expansion, relaxation and magnetic disconnection/reconnection causing actions at the molecular level.
For me, the rate and sequence of these appear to be the question.
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You mentioned looking into better shielding. This is always good but this means you didn't understand my statements about shielding from an EMP ;)
As far as I know, there are only two components to shielding from a real EMP - mass and distance.
hi chad,
Quote from: chadj2 on August 23, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
the air in you spark gap is heating up as the spark fires. This would effect the voltage at which the air breaks down. As I have seen some Tesla coil people running fans through their spark gaps to ensure they fire properly
I can have the ceiling fan on and leave the circuit unpowered for 1 minute and also fan the gap with a sheet of paper, it still starts up at the higher power mode. Only after leaving for an hour will it revert to low power startup mode.
Quote from: chadj2 on August 23, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
Also, I am sure that your ceramic capacitors are type 2 or 3 ceramic material which vary quite a bit in their capacitance as they heat up. Type 3 varies more than type 2 check the datasheet to be sure. But these are just guesses. By the way thanks for posting that video.
Chad
all output components seem cool to the touch, but maybe thet are heating internally? thanks for giving it some thought, I´ll experiment with this some more.
edit:
my bad... I think its the cap on the HV module sparkgap, it does get quite warm when running, so this is probably the reason. I missed it because I was only considering the components on the aircoil board and the HV input spark gap seemed to run the same by ear, but as the cap gets warm it must change. Thanks for helping me see that.
@ yucca
Quote from: Yucca on August 23, 2009, 08:15:11 PM
Could any of you guys with HV/RF experience explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFca2xGpaA
I think your coil core is heating up. As iron gets hotter it has less magnetic strength and thus reduces the inductance of the coil. Lower inductance increases frequency.
Plasma is a good emwave pickerupper. It converts emradiation to negative resistance. The plasma in the gap pumps the charge carriers across the gap. This depletes the ability of the electrodes to supply electrons and take up electrons fast enough and conventional resistance starts to heat the electrodes. The plasma pump is running dry. Charge is now building up between the depleted electrode and the saturated electrode. Before the charge builds up too much and the current reverses through the gap it is time to remove the conductor. Tesla devised all sorts of methods to extinguish the plasma. If the gap is converting em waves to electron acceleration and the process is repeated thousands of times a second the circuit runs with gain. Tesla's magnifying transmitter was magnifying the action of the spark gap. Moray used radioactive coatings on cold cathodes to create ionizing frequencies to get the plasma pumping. I'm sure Tesla was thrilled when Deforest perfected the ionized gas filled rectifier tube. Mercury vapor was used around this time as the original rectifier gas but it needs alot of heat to get it to ionize wheras if you start off with ionized gas to begin with it makes things more efficient. Why do fluorescents lightup when you hitem with rf. They ABSORB the rf and reradiate it at a higher frequency that excites the fluorescent coatings. Why does a vacuum cleaner sparks on the commutator make a pattern appear in a flurescent bulb. Plasma absorption of emwave energy.
Hello all,
I was during the weekend off line and now I see a lots going on here.
SM mentioned that its possible to cause a small nuclear reaction...
hmmmm.....
I would only to know the sound of such a reaction: a bang? or more like a Geiger counter, krackings or....
Otto
Quote from: otto on August 24, 2009, 01:27:28 AM
Hello all,
I was during the weekend off line and now I see a lots going on here.
SM mentioned that its possible to cause a small nuclear reaction...
hmmmm.....
I would only to know the sound of such a reaction: a bang? or more like a Geiger counter, krackings or....
Otto
or.. “snap†and “clickâ€
Quote from: Loner on August 24, 2009, 02:00:47 AM
BEP, just for reference, check out "Tempest Approved" devices. Certain levels DO cover EMP protection. (Think about center of a torrid... Or WB cancelling Ckts....)
Ahh! There is an word I haven't heard in a while.
TEMPEST codes (now EMSEC) were just a measure of how well a device did not radiate interceptible signals. That is a description of the source side. I won't get into the other side ;D
Ratings for EMP protection were usually for the 'other side' and proportional to the depth of the vault you and your equipment were buried in. After a nuclear blast we wanted to make sure we could hear the world wide silence :o
Thanks for triggering the memories. CODEWORD(s) whirling in my head. I still don't believe half of what we never did, know, hear or see.
BTW: TEMPEST is not an acronym. It means what is said in the dictionary. The 'EMP' in Tempest does not mean 'Electromagnetic Pulse'. All sources stating otherwise are misinformed with wild imaginations. We, the 'Lightning Fast Chicken F..kers', also have a definition of what it meant but that is p..nographic and not suitable for this web site. ;D
Hi BEP, all
I may be out of theme but in the past I worked with TEMPEST grade military equipment like Keyboards, CRT tubes, computers etc..... generally 'EMP' hardened devices: I still rememmber them quitre well :)
The reason I am here is to ask if any suggestions about my continous cranial head-hace started clearly after working with some coil-magnet arrangements hitted with HV pulses......no way to get rid of that head-ache after 2 days and even taking the well known remedies ???
ronotte
NICE TO SEE YOU AGIN RONOTTE
ok maybe i dont understand the emp thing fully ...
but in my opinion .. you do not give it a place to land hence why you get the emp ?
this does get dangrous ... i do agree on that .. some years ago now i was playing round with my rings ... i had it ringggggginggggg really nicely ... it was going tic ringgg ringgg tic ringgg ringgg...
my entire coil was in a ringgggg state ... pulses were really slow ...
thing is i did not give it a place to land ... and it made a magic circle 15' round the ringgggg...
AND MY FATHER WAS OVER FOR A VISIT AT THAT TIME HE WALKED THROUGH IT UNKNOWING AND GOT ZAPPED ... this wall was invisable to the human eye ... but not to the touch ..
b4 i was doing this test i had no idea this was happining ... and since that day i never did it agin ...
he said it hurt ... good thing i was only working with 12vdc 1 amp ..... :o and a 4" ring .....
this is not required for the free ride ... sure it can be utialized ... but is not required for an operational unit!!!
ist!
@ronotte
I remember the NATO EMP hard equipment as well. I was repremanded for taking out the EMP proof equipment of German artillery 1.2km away with electronic warfare equipment during REFORGER. All I could say was we weren't aiming at them. Most equipment rated for EMP is actually only capable of surviving focussed RF bursts.
As far as headaches that continue more than a few days - you should see a doctor.
Even my strongest pulse only caused nausea, headache and white spots in vision for 2 or 3 days. The neighbor's dog was fine after a few days.
Thanks to all for suggestions...it has been a really nasty thing.
Clearly something unusual happened. After several years of TPU designing & testing...it is the first time that I am really directly experiencing such kind of effect: I think mainly due to necessity to touch/move... the device itself while in operation. I think I behaved like an Antenna ...dissipating power: very dangerous :(.
Similar behavior reported by guys replicating the Tesla TMT: you have to be sure to have the second TMT in operation and properly tuned to take the incoming waves: on the contrary you yourself are going to receive the same waves......
The effect is a deep pain in the cranial box just over the spine. The pain itself very, very slowly decreasing in about a week. NO effects coming from usual anti head-ache medicines.
ronotte
one thought about the emp,
there was a guy here talking about radial fields, after some pms i got to understand his ideas. basically he was saying this: if a current is passing trough a conductor this will create a magnetic field around that conductor, nothing unusual yet, but if now you superpose another magnetic field, that would be the radial one, the initial field would be compressed around the conductor inducing a stronger current. now one problem with this approach is that you can not create a perfect radial field all around a toroidal conductor in order to compress the whole magnetic field at once.the solution to this ? to opposing fields from 2 solenoids will "create" a nice radial field "pattern" just in the middle, on a toroidal conducting core(ferromagnetic or not) the 2 coils would give a "virtual" north and south pole (Tesla again?!)To be noted that only the south pole configuration would be able to compress a field made by a current passing trough the core.so just let that portion move around and by doing so it will squeeze the field -squeeze the water hose.
ps.that guy had a car accident some time ago, came home 2 weeks ago, the day after, his child ,not involved in the car accident, died.
Quote from: ronotte on August 24, 2009, 03:38:11 PM
Thanks to all for suggestions...it has been a really nasty thing.
Clearly something unusual happened. After several years of TPU designing & testing...it is the first time that I am really directly experiencing such kind of effect: I think mainly due to necessity to touch/move... the device itself while in operation. I think I behaved like an Antenna ...dissipating power: very dangerous :(.
Similar behavior reported by guys replicating the Tesla TMT: you have to be sure to have the second TMT in operation and properly tuned to take the incoming waves: on the contrary you yourself are going to receive the same waves......
The effect is a deep pain in the cranial box just over the spine. The pain itself very, very slowly decreasing in about a week. NO effects coming from usual anti head-ache medicines.
ronotte
Vitamin B12 may help if the sheath on the nerve ends was damaged.
Quote from: rotaryfcg on August 24, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
one thought about the emp,
there was a guy here talking about radial fields, after some pms i got to understand his ideas. basically he was saying this: if a current is passing trough a conductor this will create a magnetic field around that conductor, nothing unusual yet, but if now you superpose another magnetic field, that would be the radial one, the initial field would be compressed around the conductor inducing a stronger current. now one problem with this approach is that you can not create a perfect radial field all around a toroidal conductor in order to compress the whole magnetic field at once.the solution to this ? to opposing fields from 2 solenoids will "create" a nice radial field "pattern" just in the middle, on a toroidal conducting core(ferromagnetic or not) the 2 coils would give a "virtual" north and south pole (Tesla again?!)To be noted that only the south pole configuration would be able to compress a field made by a current passing trough the core.so just let that portion move around and by doing so it will squeeze the field -squeeze the water hose.
ps.that guy had a car accident some time ago, came home 2 weeks ago, the day after, his child died.
intersting
Sorry to hear about his misfortune.
That must be "tsl".
I wish him the best.
.99
Hello all,
@ronotte - Roberto,
the same s..t happened to me with a iron core TPU.
I thought I would die!
Then I figured out what happened:
all the time I coule hear a hissing sound from my TPU. It was NOT a short in the coils or something like this.
The problem was that the particles hitted my body instead of swirling along the iron core. And this was the hissing sound.
Otto
when I fire up the tesla coil, I get headaches in about a few minutes.
It's really the electric fields that are causing the headaches, they affect our bodies more than magnetic fields. My advise, use large capacitors in the tank circuits, or use a high capacitor-to-inductance ratio, and then the tank will produced more magnetic fields.
EM
Hi all,
I do not want to clobber this thread with non pertinent stuff... so only few words to say that It make me feeling well being in OU and still finding well known friends, THANKS :)
My work bench is so full of hot stuff that I am unable to set a priority! all being so interesting and promising and dangerous 8).....I wish I had a sort of time warp to be able to have a glimpse on the future: for example look at radiall field.....till now, in my personal opinion, the most promising discovery (?): thank to Tsl. I dedicated them a sizeable chunk of my time and already obtained amazing results...really I do not know why we never considered them before. Tesla TMTs are as well under my microscope as I already checked as true most of the findings made by K. Meyl...I do have additional ideas on how to build on it in order to exploit the operations versus our traditional target. May be I will open a new thread here or directly in Tesla thread already existing.
@Otto,
hello....how you doing in this hot summer?.....as usual you are in target as my probles happen when coil mechanically resonate with the audio freq I fed into. Of course I loosely wrapped the turns......so additional field is created by the vibrating wires....and also additional problem fo my head-ache :'(
ronotte
:)
Hello all,
@Roberto,
its really cool in my garage! No problem to work.
The additional field from a vibration is very important. It gives us more power if you know how to use it. I dont know it. To be honest ....Im a little bit confused but ......I never give up.
Otto
The person posting as Steven is not , Im sorry to say.
Perhaps this will give us some idea of the lengths people will go to to create chaos.
The other mis info about Steven from years ago is from similar intentions.
well written and had me fooled for a bit but your spelling has let you down.
I wonder why ? Please tell us as that in itself would be something interesting.
I just think you have many of the characteristics of a fuckwit ..at this stage
Lindsay
Hi Mannix,
That is sad to hear....
Do you have any indication which of all the info we have from "SM" can be considered as real?
Greetings Spider
Back to the drawingboard.......
Quote from: Mannix on August 26, 2009, 05:17:23 AM
The person posting as Steven is not , Im sorry to say.
Are you realy sure?
Quote
Perhaps this will give us some idea of the lengths people will go to to create chaos.
The other mis info about Steven from years ago is from similar intentions.
well written and had me fooled for a bit but your spelling has let you down.
wich other mis info do you mean?
Quote from: Mannix on August 26, 2009, 05:17:23 AM
The person posting as Steven is not , Im sorry to say.
Perhaps this will give us some idea of the lengths people will go to to create chaos.
The other mis info about Steven from years ago is from similar intentions.
well written and had me fooled for a bit but your spelling has let you down.
I wonder why ? Please tell us as that in itself would be something interesting.
I just think you have many of the characteristics of a fuckwit ..at this stage
Lindsay
Starting from his second post, the difference in spelling and language compared to Steven’s letters posted by you is absolutely obvious.
Kames.
@Mannix
Hence why I have been pushing to get this resolved before we all take these words and run to the bank, then find out there are no funds.
But actually, I am very happy to learn of this news flash because it reinforces my developing theory of operation and taking away this SMers posts makes the theory even more logical and plausible based on some small tests so far.
Don't worry, there is no stopping us. We will have a tpu. Maybe not the SM TPU but from all the tests, etc., I am sure a new form of energy source will be discovered. I have a long post to polish off today and will post it in the Back to Basics thread, since it is in fact getting back to basics with a possible new way of looking at the TPU. lol
But just to recap in this thread, the first post was from SM where he explains that he never asked us to spend so much time and effort on his device, etc., etc., sort of trying to take away any culpability in the adventure. Then after that post, this other shmuck took over. OK, now it makes sense to me. Thanks.
Focus on solutions not problems and you will find there is less chaos. You will be less susceptible to noise and the answers more available.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
Focus on solutions not problems and you will find there is less chaos. You will be less susceptible to noise and the answers more available.
@GK
You are very right about that, but when you are in your nice quiet lab and there is a fly that keeps buzzing around your head, it's always a little harder to concentrate. In this case, we can say "this fly is swatted". So it is good now.
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 22, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
Dear friends,
Under the right conditions it is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction in certain types of iron. In the early days i wrote about discharges of magnetic energy similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. I even pointed out this was related to my power technology. Nobody seems to wonder about that or why the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government was involved. It is possible to cause a small nuclear reaction that releases some energy by converting the material. If you take the energy and use it to cause another reaction and it's energy to cause another, you can see that this process can go very wrong. There is a reason i call my devices bombs. If the unit hits the correct frequency and stays there too long it will start to convert too much material and energy at once. This will only take a second,or less. I did point out that I did not want to be responsible for giving out information making it possible that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. It is in my writings quite literally. I never said these things were safe. However, i do think there are ways to make it safe in a way that it runs without the danger of self destruction.
Sincerely,
SM
I am not sure if this information can be dismissed. The original SM was talking about his experiments with tubes at some point.
If you dig, you will find some earlier tubes used to contain radio-active materials. Some also used to have thoriated tungsten fillaments.
Is it possible that Bedini (perhaps unknowingly) was using thoriated tungsten welding rods in his generator?
As I have yelled, shouted, whispered, or tried to explain, the secret is in the three frequencies. They are mixed together and then sent to the collector, from the collectors to the control coil.
These three frequencies INTERMODULATE to CREATE hundreds of frequencies. With the CORRECT frequencies, you end up with the HARMONICS of the fundamental. Actually, it comes out with EIGHT harmonics.
All of these CREATED WORST CASE SCENARIOS FOR FREQUENCIES, converge, in the THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION.
Each collector is made from LAMP CHORD. The LAMP CHORD is wound so that it is HORIZONTAL and has an INNER LOOP and an OUTER LOOP. The INNER LOOP is tuned as a tank circuit to the fundamental. The second collector to the second harmonic and the third collector to the third harmonic.
I have ALL THREE FREQUENCIES, and the PROOF IN THE MATH, but can not release it without MANNIX's permission because I made a promise.
WITHOUT THE THREE FREQUENCIES and UNDERSTANDING INTERMODULATION and UNDERSTANDING that when the REAL SM spoke of RESONANCE, he was speaking of HARMONICS and what happens when they hit together in a moments time a tuned resonant tank circuit.
I am working of my own and the going is slow because I am not an EE. Why can NO ONE READ THE REAL SM's WORDS and see what I see??
I need EXPERIENCED EXPERIMENTERS to assist. Those I know are too afraid or to lost in their own brilliance.
This IS THE ANSWER. Is there not ONE PERSON here who understands?
Anyone looking at the engineering report on the 6" TPU and who has wound one, using the REAL SM APPROVED TPU stack would know that it is TOO LIGHT to contain any iron or steel.
The SECRET is NOT in the materials it is in THE THREE FREQUENCIES< INTERMODULATION: HARMONICS: STANDING WAVES: PULSED DC.
The TPU FUNCTIONS just like a TYPE of Vaccume Tube.
The SECRET is in the COILS and how they Correspond to one another, as this "harmonic" intermodulation is created.
Hello all,
@Bruce_TPU
....without Mannixs permission!!!...
NICE!!! VERY NICE!!!
.....TOO light???....a 6" TPU???
Well, Im not a genius but sometimes it could be usefull to read my posts. Have you seen that I found in 1 of SMs videos where he told us that a 6" TPU has the weight of 1 1/2 pound??
OK, Im dreaming!
Of course I also know that with good made AIR coils a TPU can "bless" you with a runaway.
Yes, a TPU is something like a triode vacuum tube, thats clear and I agree with that.
Otto
Why did you ever made an nondisclosure promise to Mannix?Why do you need his permission to disclose your own work?
Put it on paper(PDF) and load it up.Basta.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 27, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
As I have yelled, shouted, whispered, or tried to explain, the secret is in the three frequencies. They are mixed together and then sent to the collector, from the collectors to the control coil.
These three frequencies INTERMODULATE to CREATE hundreds of frequencies. With the CORRECT frequencies, you end up with the HARMONICS of the fundamental. Actually, it comes out with EIGHT harmonics.
All of these CREATED WORST CASE SCENARIOS FOR FREQUENCIES, converge, in the THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION.
Each collector is made from LAMP CHORD. The LAMP CHORD is wound so that it is HORIZONTAL and has an INNER LOOP and an OUTER LOOP. The INNER LOOP is tuned as a tank circuit to the fundamental. The second collector to the second harmonic and the third collector to the third harmonic.
I have ALL THREE FREQUENCIES, and the PROOF IN THE MATH, but can not release it without MANNIX's permission because I made a promise.
WITHOUT THE THREE FREQUENCIES and UNDERSTANDING INTERMODULATION and UNDERSTANDING that when the REAL SM spoke of RESONANCE, he was speaking of HARMONICS and what happens when they hit together in a moments time a tuned resonant tank circuit.
I am working of my own and the going is slow because I am not an EE. Why can NO ONE READ THE REAL SM's WORDS and see what I see??
I need EXPERIENCED EXPERIMENTERS to assist. Those I know are too afraid or to lost in their own brilliance.
This IS THE ANSWER. Is there not ONE PERSON here who understands?
Anyone looking at the engineering report on the 6" TPU and who has wound one, using the REAL SM APPROVED TPU stack would know that it is TOO LIGHT to contain any iron or steel.
The SECRET is NOT in the materials it is in THE THREE FREQUENCIES< INTERMODULATION: HARMONICS: STANDING WAVES: PULSED DC.
The TPU FUNCTIONS just like a TYPE of Vaccume Tube.
The SECRET is in the COILS and how they Correspond to one another, as this "harmonic" intermodulation is created.
@Bruce
You'll be probably bombarded with pm's about hows and whys it's working. instead of repeating to each and every one or to just a few "selected" ones,
why don't you write down your theory and by all means load it up.if you're sure that this is it just do it.
@Mannix
Why does he need your permission? it's your work? if you were the real SM...that would explain some things.if you're not SM it seems to me that you have more info about the subject.Why don't you share?Why that game?
@ bruce ... i do not doubt your work in the least
but im sure there much safer ways to achieve ou ... :)
with out the use of 3 freqs...
and im also sure there is more than 8 harmonics... ;)
ist!
Quote from: Loner on August 28, 2009, 02:33:38 AM
Not to intrude, but as Ronette has mentioned, there are frequencies that you don't want to hit when working with TMT's or any other direct RE generator. (This is personal experience talking, I'm afraid.)
The frequencies are WELL documented by a guy named Tesla, who actually had poor people sitting on generators and exposed them to various Frequencies. (There are other ramifications of this, but that's for some other threads...)
SO, all I want to say is, and please assume I'm saying this LOUDLY, if you wish to use the TMT or Pure RE in general, read the frequency spreads and effects in Tesla's reports so you can chose a frequency that won't damage bio devices (Plants, Humans, animals, and things along those lines.) Once a little deeper into clean RE, these things become obvious, but what I have found is that the more I learn about "Clean" RE Frequencies, the less I can fall back on my EE background, and the more I need to assume I know nothing and learn, learn, learn.
The hardest part for me is accepting that what I am calling "RE" really isn't. I actually don't know what word to use, so RE is it for now, but as the specific words "Radiant Energy" specify the "Field?" or "particles?" flowing radially from the wire, yet I CAN flow them down (Well, call it outside....) the wire, that tested effect denies the word "Radiant". For those sticklers out there, please excuse my lack of a correct word for this energy form.
I have noticed a TMT does produce gain, but haven't figured a way of taking the "Clean" RE and converting it to standard current flow, without destroying the operating process. If I can figure out more, I will put it all here, but, as usual for me, I don't know enough yet to be helpful.
Bruce!!! When in doubt, check it out. I cannot imagine Mannix denying you permission, if you were to ask. Of course, keep the "Conversation" between the two of you, and be prepared to take heat if he says yes, but asks you to say he didn't say anything. (I hope you both understand..) Of course, if he says no, you don't need to admit that to us, nor mention you even asked, so as not to raise eyebrows. I have respect for those capable of keeping their promises. Do what you think is right and honest, not to satisfy my or any others interests.
It, RE or whatever, charges capacitors, batteries, and is inductive.
The receiver of a TMT converts it via induction with a secondary, or it can be used without conversion, per Tesla's writings.
If you look at the papers I recently posted concerning how electrons start to flow in a wire, and imagine if you kept applying and removing the initial pulse that causes the displacement current and it's effects...
I am truly sorry that the truth of the matter is so much more simple than "harmonics" or "3 magic frequencies" or "pixie dust".
If you follow the work of Dr. Stiffler, he is doing the same thing and getting great results, OU, all that, etc...
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EMDevices, do you still have your small Tesla coil? If so, make a receiver to complete the circuit.
Lets boils this down some more.
The 3 freqs create an event that looks just like a non diffusive moment or high speed magnetic moment. The cancelling of the flux is this also as is the Kunel explanations, as is the Bedini motors as is the Energia Celeste as is the resonance of Moray and Thrapp devices and Otto's windings.
Now I realize I am excluding alot of detail but that only splits the parties into different camps. But let not this deter us.
If you read the explainations and postings of Grumpy, Sparks, and Loner you will see the event fully documented in civilian and black project descriptions(Yes!). On the electronic side we have EMD, Poynt99, Marco, Earl and others. On the eletromechanical side we have wattsup and Bruce. Sorry if I have pigeon-holed here. But the predominances have struck patterns of thinking.
Caveat:
My current health status has gotten better and I can now lift my left elbow higher than my lower rib. I can put things back together on the bench.
So with that said. I have Bruce's coils, mine, Otto's, Moby's, Marco's and I am on the next step to run these through the rest of the year. Bruce's concern with freq control is admirable as without this we get spaz events which I am myself like others here responsible for. But without the control other factors of runaway take over and offer a level of control that is automatic. I don't know what stable bandwith is for tubes but I saw 5MHZ to 6MHZ in solid state. Iron and copper offer their own in the mix.
I have an adequate amount of rings to test with the 2 pulse control while taking advantage of the non diffusion or excluding conduction current like Grumpy has been pushing. This drive protocol clearly explains the cold current that is available in the skin effect in a space charge environment. Enough of the cold current from resonance and you achieve the cooling or low amperage runs. This is what I have been obtaining from gleening all the positive tests and posted results.
I have no other distractions except for any legal run ins with my testing the Solfeggio Harmonic Integration Transmitter in echoing chambers around the planet. :o
Hope this on the mark for most here? The pain pill time frame has left me to just sit on take note of the inventory of builds, tests, videos, and all posts. To be still has been the best medicine so far.
I hope to post the pix of the total finished drive device this weekend. It is sweet.
The drive mechanism can be used to push electrons, magnetic fields, heat, light or sound depending on the target, drive destination / transmitting material, or operation bandwith. This is the basic tenant.
--giantkiller. What if you make your LC tank as big as a castle?
The "effect" or whatever you want to call it that manifest before electrons start to flow, is proportional to the rate of the change in the polarization of the dielectric medium around the conductor. More voltage or a faster rate of change increases the effect. Other static fields (magnetic or electric) with the correct orientation can also increase the polarization of the space around the conductor.
Per Tesla's own words, resonance was used to work up the potential to a very high level and you can also achieve this with a transformer or various other means. Steinmetz showed that you can dump a capacitor or an inductor to produce your pulse. SM's method with bifilar coils is very clever and has an unusually high compression rate.
Peaks of the displacement current oscillation (which is positively biased - by the way) can be several nanoseconds apart, 200 ns or more would not be unreasonable. This oscillation seems related to the length of the conductor and maybe other factors like self-inductance, self capacitance, insulation, wire diameter, etc.
Quote from: rotaryfcg on August 28, 2009, 02:23:57 AM
@Bruce
You'll be probably bombarded with pm's about hows and whys it's working. instead of repeating to each and every one or to just a few "selected" ones,
why don't you write down your theory and by all means load it up.if you're sure that this is it just do it.
@Mannix
Why does he need your permission? it's your work? if you were the real SM...that would explain some things.if you're not SM it seems to me that you have more info about the subject.Why don't you share?Why that game?
For the three CORRECT frequencies to be released in the public domain, permission must be given. It was a promise. It is not Mannix's fault. YET, without those THREE CORRECT frequencies, the SM TPU will never work.
For each size TPU, the fundamental frequency will change, but the two CARRIER frequencies will ALWAYS stay the same. The two carrier frequencies, BECAUSE OF THE MATH (Study INTERMODULATION) ALWAYS produce the same effect of producing hundred of harmonics of whatever fundamental is placed with them and of CONVERGING ALL EIGHT harmonics of whatever fundamental is placed as the third frequency in the THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION> (study intermodulation)
NO OTHER TWO FREQUENCY"S will do this BECAUSE OF THE MATH. It is stunning to see the spreadsheet. Others here on this forum, in private have seen it.
But seeing is not believing, unfortunately. You must grasp the concept of INTERMODULATION used to PRODUCE REPLICAS of the FUNDAMENTAL and its HARMONICS and then to have them all CONVERGE at one point. THIS IS NOT A FAIRY TALE. It is quite awesome to see on paper. We must make it work.
The three frequency's MUST BE mixed in a TUBE AMP or MIXER of some sort, and then INPUT into the collectors, in order for INTERMODULATION to occur. SIMPLY INPUTING three seperate frequencies into a coil will NEVER GIVE THE DESIRED EFFECT.
The coils MUST BE TUNED to the fundamental, collector 1, via a tuned resonant tank. Second Harmonic, via a tuned resonant tank, collector 2. Third Harmonic, via a tuned resonant tank, collector 3.
Input frequency's
Fundamental - Changes based on the circumference>We have the fundamental for the 15" TPU
Carrier frequency 1 - see description above
Carrier frequency 2 - see description above
Things that assist with intermodulation:
Mixing the signals
Carbon Resistor
Antenna (RF)
Pulsed DC Bias overlaid
Things needed in general:
Split signal after the three inputs MIX.
One leg of split signal inverted 180 degrees.
Standing waves established in innerloop of collector.
Pulsed Dc bias added.
ALL POWER SOURCES from Batteries only.
STABLE freq gen.
Voltage required will most certainly be 350 or higher.
KILL SWITCH between the battery and the THREE Freq Gens.
ODD EVEN harmonics, like a tube amp produces. KEEPS THE MATH correct (study intermodulation).
Quote from: Grumpy on August 28, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
The "effect" or whatever you want to call it that manifest before electrons start to flow, is proportional to the rate of the change in the polarization of the dielectric medium around the conductor. More voltage or a faster rate of change increases the effect. Other static fields (magnetic or electric) with the correct orientation can also increase the polarization of the space around the conductor.
It is clear from the operation of capacitors that a displacement current creates a magnetic field with the same polarity as current going the same direction.
When displacement current forms, a curl of the B-field is generated to which the magnetic moments of copper (a diamagnetic material) attempts to cancels out. Because such a B-field can be made of such a magnitude to domineer over the magnetic dipole moments among neighboring copper atoms, the subatomic particles of those copper atoms will attempt to align their magnetic moment dipole axes in helical configurations in contrast to their typical random configurations. The change of configuration actually consumes potential energy by the formation of "paratoroidic (magnetic) moments" of copper (an as-yet-unconfirmed paramagnetic analogue of the experimentally validated "ferrotordic (magnetic) moment").
See timeline on verification of ferrotorodicity: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Hek&tbo=1&tbs=tl%3A1&q=ferrotoroidicity&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
By keeping the impedance of the back-spike larger (i.e. voltage higher and its current lower) than in the initial pulse, copper's reaction to the voltage back-spike can provide the same polarity of magnetic field as current going forwards. The back-voltage does dissipate after a while, and you are right when you say that, "This oscillation seems related to the length of the conductor and maybe other factors like self-inductance, self capacitance, insulation, wire diameter, etc."
So where does the energy come from to restore the potential energy lost via alignment of the paratoroidic (magnetic) moments? Certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation get absorbed by the (PARAtoroidic) arrangements of magnetic moments in the copper atoms, in effect, restoring their potential energy. When some of the moments fall out of alignment, others will follow suit.
I do not see this a violation of any laws of thermodynamics. The 2nd law in particular says nothing about any "impossibility" of zones of decreasing entropy, nor is it disproven by the existence of self-organizing structures. Don't get me started on the 1st law, that is simply fact because we can always define a potential energy in reference to new energies discovered. And the 3rd law is about absolute zero....
The generation of frost in some failed operations of the Steven Mark TPU device can be explained by generation of excess magnetic fields. If you remember the fact that temperature is dependent on motion, it is clear that atoms locked in position as a result of mutual magnetic inductance have a lower temperature; this is obviously not the same as keeping a macroscopic object still! At some point, this temperature change can spur surrounding photons to make up the difference, restoring the atoms into their natural, random configuration.
@Bruce_TPU
I don't know about all these frequencies. Usually a theory should be consistent throughout all the TPU builds and I just can't see all this happening in the ftpu, otpu, stpu and 6tpu(s) (@BEP yes there are more then one) lol. But what do I know.
350 volts is about the level of a vacuum tube output.
@all
@Bruce_TPU just said "ALL POWER SOURCES from Batteries only."
JUST LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY.
I just blew my HP 214B Pulse Generator. Found a resistor toasted, ran out to get one 237k but found only a 240k, changed it, but still no go. That is about the limit of my EE acumen to fix it. Shit. I had just finished preparing my next TPU test with just a first ring and outer coil and toroid. Connected it to the pulse generator and boom. It blew. It was preset at around 2mhz when I put it on and boom.
If anyone knows anything about these pulse generators, the resistor is R508 (237k) and you can see it on pages 108 and 112 of my manual located here.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Equipment%20Manuals/214B%20HP%20Pulse%20Generator/00214-90012.pdf
I don't know if this is just coincidental or not. Man I have pulsed so many wicked things and it never blew or gave me any trouble. Just connected to this and it blew in half a second.
Well I guess I am back to using a Mosfet again and my frequency generator again. Noooooooooooooooo. Hmmmmmm. Wonder if it will blow also or maybe I should just use a battery and magnet quenched reed switch to start really small. I wanted to do these tests before I posted my theory of TPU operation. It is so simple. Maybe I should not wait and just put it out there. The basic simple premise is sound and I have at least confirmed the basic requirement on the bench. The theory may not be 100% but I am sure it will help you guys cross the barrier with your great EE know how.
When I simply pulse it manually on 4.5 vdc (power supply) I can feel the copper ring react even though it is wound over with a control coil (or whatever). Very surprised I must say. Actually not really surprised given the fact that this is expected under the circumstances.
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 29, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
The three frequency's MUST BE mixed in a TUBE AMP or MIXER of some sort, and then INPUT into the collectors...
Voltage required will most certainly be 350 or higher.
@Bruce_TPU,
this somewhat differs from what Steven said in his letters. He writes about his first device made from three tube generators coupled to tube amplifier
s (obviously, three also). This makes me think that mixing wasn't done in those amps. Or maybe this is not so important?
SM also mentions that amps are 2-staged with 6AS7G output. Wide bandwidth, low noise. All this points to a pure class A single-ended OTL. It means that 350V is beyond this tube's limit in most cases.
Anyway, thanks for your insight about those carrier freqs. Sounds like you're pretty sure about that. It would be very nice to see the math...
Quote from: kmarinas86 on August 29, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
See timeline on verification of ferrotorodicity: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Hek&tbo=1&tbs=tl%3A1&q=ferrotoroidicity&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Flipping magnetic polarity with circular polarized laser light.....
Creation of laser light with circular polarized magnetic fields....
One of my favorite statements:
"Are there maybe even more forms of ferroic order? Another glance shows that ferroelectricity, ferromagnetism, and ferrotoroidicity all possess vector-like order parameters: The electric polarization, the magnetization, and the toroidization expressed by the ï"i ri ï,´ Si. However, ferroelasticity is characterized by strain which is a second-rank tensor. So maybe there is another ferroic order with a vector-like order parameter conserving space-inversion and time-reversal symmetries?
An electrotoroidal state would do the job. It is obtained by replacing the spins of the ferrotoroidic order by electric dipoles. However, except in geometrically confined systems such electric vortices have not yet been observed…"
Except aound a current carrying conductor :P
Jeez.... Took them long enough to think of it. I suppose somebody will have a Nobel Prize when they see the order of electrotoroidal is the way current really flows in a wire?
Wait 'till they have another cup of java and realize their are equivilant orders for dia and para. Then the big one! Their are anti's for each :o
Quote from: Mike_M on August 29, 2009, 06:58:22 PM
@Bruce_TPU,
this somewhat differs from what Steven said in his letters. He writes about his first device made from three tube generators coupled to tube amplifiers (obviously, three also). This makes me think that mixing wasn't done in those amps. Or maybe this is not so important?
SM also mentions that amps are 2-staged with 6AS7G output. Wide bandwidth, low noise. All this points to a pure class A single-ended OTL. It means that 350V is beyond this tube's limit in most cases.
Anyway, thanks for your insight about those carrier freqs. Sounds like you're pretty sure about that. It would be very nice to see the math...
Please give the exact quote and source of this. None of that is in the compiled letters of SM and in the .PDF released from Mannix.
Whats kinda different about steel wire is that your eddy currents are radial unless you laminate the wire. :D The wire if it is rusty also has a good dielectric conductor there. Only thing unusual I ever observed was using steel rebar wire coil driven with 30,000 vdcpulsed. The ends of the coil looked like a plasma cutter and there was an ion wind from about 2'out which was dropping the temp in the field. Little bit of light but not much. Cold juice I'd say.
Quote from: wattsup on August 29, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
@Bruce_TPU
I don't know about all these frequencies. Usually a theory should be consistent throughout all the TPU builds and I just can't see all this happening in the ftpu, otpu, stpu and 6tpu(s) (@BEP yes there are more then one) lol. But what do I know.
350 volts is about the level of a vacuum tube output.
@all
@Bruce_TPU just said "ALL POWER SOURCES from Batteries only."
JUST LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY.
I just blew my HP 214B Pulse Generator. Found a resistor toasted, ran out to get one 237k but found only a 240k, changed it, but still no go. That is about the limit of my EE acumen to fix it. Shit. I had just finished preparing my next TPU test with just a first ring and outer coil and toroid. Connected it to the pulse generator and boom. It blew. It was preset at around 2mhz when I put it on and boom.
If anyone knows anything about these pulse generators, the resistor is R508 (237k) and you can see it on pages 108 and 112 of my manual located here.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Equipment%20Manuals/214B%20HP%20Pulse%20Generator/00214-90012.pdf
I don't know if this is just coincidental or not. Man I have pulsed so many wicked things and it never blew or gave me any trouble. Just connected to this and it blew in half a second.
Well I guess I am back to using a Mosfet again and my frequency generator again. Noooooooooooooooo. Hmmmmmm. Wonder if it will blow also or maybe I should just use a battery and magnet quenched reed switch to start really small. I wanted to do these tests before I posted my theory of TPU operation. It is so simple. Maybe I should not wait and just put it out there. The basic simple premise is sound and I have at least confirmed the basic requirement on the bench. The theory may not be 100% but I am sure it will help you guys cross the barrier with your great EE know how.
When I simply pulse it manually on 4.5 vdc (power supply) I can feel the copper ring react even though it is wound over with a control coil (or whatever). Very surprised I must say. Actually not really surprised given the fact that this is expected under the circumstances.
Intermodulation to produce the harmonics, simply requires the three CORRECT frequencies and a piece of wire. The shape and sizes and power produced by all the different TPU's differ, but the main ingredient of three freqs mixed to produce the intermodulation would be the same. Also true of the pulsed DC.
The source (three freqs) produce the feed (intermodulation of said signals), this feed is then rectified, fed back to the outer loop as pulsed DC, which then becomes the output.
ok bruce ...
i do not argue 1 bit ... but this seams complex ....
do you think it needs to be ... ?
i can get 3 pulses on 1 coil easly ... rectify it and send into 1st collector as pulsed dc and cascade the output of that through the others in the stack ...
and all i used was a aa battery a rectifier .. and 3 2n2222's .. now im gonna make it work with out a power source but only to power the switch.. ps this means a button cell to turn on and off the main 2n2222 wich will fill the first super cap ... when you rempove the neo /...
the divice will stop operating as such ..
and the 3 freqs run on the returned power from the neo flux being canceled with macs breaking coil ... ;) 8)
ist
not saying at all this is the same as some of the SM tpus.... as i think some are quite complex and this is really basic .. and easly done...
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 29, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
(Study INTERMODULATION)
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 29, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
(study intermodulation)
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 29, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
(study intermodulation).
Are you suggesting that we should study intermodulation? :)
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation):
Passive intermodulationQuote
As explained in a previous section, intermodulation can only occur in non-linear systems. Non-linear systems are generally composed of active components, meaning that the components must be biased with an external power source which is not the input signal (i.e. the active components must be "turned on"). However, even passive components can perform in a non-linear manner and cause intermodulation. Diodes are widely known for their passive nonlinear effects, but parasitic nonlinearity can arise in other components as well. For example, audio transformers exhibit non-linear behavior near their saturation point, electrolytic capacitors can start to behave as rectifiers under large-signal conditions, and RF connectors and antennas can exhibit non-linear characteristics. Even the air itself can behave in a non-linear fashion, which can be exploited to produce audible sound from intermodulation of ultrasonic frequencies.
Passive intermodulation (PIM) occurs in passive systems (i.e. the input signal is the only source of energy to the system) when the input signal is very high power, and the system consists of junctions of dis-similar metals or junctions of metals and oxides. These junctions effectively form diodes, which are non-linear. The higher the signal amplitude, the more pronounced the effect of the non-linearities, and the more prominent the intermodulation may occur, even though upon initial inspection, the system would appear to be linear and unable to generate intermodulations.
PIM can also occur in connectors, or when conductors made of two galvanically unmatched metals come in contact with each other.
Lots of interesting points here. If you follow the linked text "audible sound from intermodulation of ultrasonic frequencies" to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_from_ultrasound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_from_ultrasound)
So what are the chances that Steven was attempting to achieve some 3d audio using something related to hypersonic sound.
From the wikipedia on intermodulation it seems that nonlinearity is required and I wonder if it is possible to achieve the required nonlinearity with those toroidal chokes whereby the chokes would be the L in an oscillator and also drive the control coils. A magnet place near the core could be used to tune to the appropriate nonlinearity on the BH curve.
Not quite sure where I'm going with this. Just some thoughts thrown into the mix.
Take care.
nap
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 30, 2009, 10:46:59 AM
Intermodulation to produce the harmonics, simply requires the three CORRECT frequencies and a piece of wire. The shape and sizes and power produced by all the different TPU's differ, but the main ingredient of three freqs mixed to produce the intermodulation would be the same. Also true of the pulsed DC.
The source (three freqs) produce the feed (intermodulation of said signals), this feed is then rectified, fed back to the outer loop as pulsed DC, which then becomes the output.
Hi Bruce,
Normally frequency mixing involves a nonlinearity and I wonder if a (certain) piece of wire is just enough for it? Can you share some insight here?
Thanks, Gyula
EDIT: just seen Nap asked the same question...
Is there a correct picture how TPU is build ?
I'm wondering if intermodulation allow those spikes to run faster then current in wire by similar concept like this : http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/APPLETS/20/20.html ?
Sorry,
the repair of my notebook took a bit longer than I thought,
so now it is running again and here are the latest messages from Steven Mark,
that he agreed could be posted.
Please read from bottom to top:
Dear Stefan,
I've tried to hide the fact that materials are important but they crucial. I mentioned to Lindsay that the material of the collector wire is critical, however we found that using the correct toroids works the same. I belive my device works the way it does due to mechanical vibrations in my torroids which amplify the received energy in the main loops. My larger TPU has coathanger iron wire inside, I belive a unique action occurs inside the iron.
Sincerely,
SM
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Stefan Hartmann wrote:
Hi Steven,
many thanks for these infos.
I guess using sine waves for the exiters would use more input power
and are also harder to design.
So Square or just pulse generators use less energy per pulse and
are easier to build with a few CMOS gates or a 555 setup.
Well, I know from making music and working in a recording studio
in earlier times, that some certain crossmodulations from
several tones can cause huge amplitudes in filters put behind the
cross modulation circuits...So this is very interesting.
One questions I still have.
Did you ever use Iron wire in your TPUs or
are they all working just fine with Copper wire only ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
---
Steven Mark wrote:
Dear XXXXXX,
I used only square wave in the beginning as it was easier to create them, as you know, once my device begins to resonate we only observed since waves. I assume you can create the same effects by starting only with sine waves. What is more important to understand than the stimulating energy, is the frequency we are capturing. Our devices work like radios, and we stimulate them with the square waves to cause a mixing of frequencies and one of the coils is tuned to one of these products. it's realy simple to understand if you are familliar with radio theory. The coils you see are just receptor for the magnetic fluctuations, I belive they are called loop antennas, however, I like to think of them as huge inductive coils. I hope that helps you with your projects.
Sincerely,
SM
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM, XXXXX wrote:
Dear Steven,
Glad to see you felt well enough to post on the forum again!
I understand you have signed an NDA and there are various interests
that prefer you not to speak about your design.
You once allowed us via Linsday to ask "certain questions" as long
as they did not violate certain areas.
I wonder, I have debated long and hard whether your device uses
PULSES or SINEWAVES as the input control frequencies. For a long
time I thought pulses, however, due to your comments about pure
signals that only tube signal generators can make, I now feel sine
waves are the way, because pulses are anything put pure!
Best regards,
XXXXX.
Everything SM stated is true. All the different materials or drivers are just at different stages of the progressive designs. It always seem to me that the timelime has been left out. Probably one of the cluses of the NDA. Sm is or has found a way to disseminate in another fashion.
Big inductor equals effective aperture.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 30, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
Big inductor equals effective aperture.
--giantkiller.
@ALL
I agree with this.
Does anyone have any evidence that this SM is the real SM?
@Loner
I am still convinced the open TPU has a minimum of two tubes in it. There has been a lot of great work and effort to deduce the details of this one but I haven't seen any work that 'works'.
@Bruce
The way I see it the only time three frequencies is required is when you want to be rid of the magnets. Three will give you rotation direction control. Three is the only configuration that can consistently give you reverse group direction. aka. 'left hand rule', if you so choose.
BEP
Quote from: Loner on August 30, 2009, 12:32:51 PM
I'm just throwing this in, as I've harped on it too much and no-one wants to hear it anymore. Take ANY of the "Simple" TPUs with Only 1 "Collector" and two "Side" coils with the magnets.
How does such a device fit into the "Three" frequency concept? I have seen the device with One driving component, so I am getting a little lost on this one. Sure the "3 Stack" unit might be better, but it's not required IF these other units actually work.
Also, has anyone actually seen a TPU operating on tubes? Not "Read" about it, but seen a picture or video? (Or the actual device, for those in the know...)
Are my observations completely wrong? I won't bother you guys with this again, as I have no proofs either way. (If I ever get any, that will be another story....)
Don't believe the hype!
I don't see "intermodulation" in the post by SM about Tao having the secret, or any mention of three frequencies.
Quote from: BEP on August 30, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
@ALL
I agree with this.
Does anyone have any evidence that this SM is the real SM?
@Loner
I am still convinced the open TPU has a minimum of two tubes in it. There has been a lot of great work and effort to deduce the details of this one but I haven't seen any work that 'works'.
@Bruce
The way I see it the only time three frequencies is required is when you want to be rid of the magnets. Three will give you rotation direction control. Three is the only configuration that can consistently give you reverse group direction. aka. 'left hand rule', if you so choose.
BEP
The saturable reactor is identifiable in several TPU 's.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 30, 2009, 08:48:20 PM
The saturable reactor is identifiable in several TPU 's.
Thanks but that is another point of contention for me. I have not seen a single bit of evidence or heard a provable argument that those are sat-cores. The only sat-cores that have a counter winding are split core types used for controlling AC power with a DC control voltage. Even if that was a split core the two halves are too close to function correctly.
Like I said in a past post: They appear to be miniature TPUs used to drive the larger coil sets.
I'll stop spewing here. I won't give and most others won't either :)
SM's Words from the .PDF:
"On to another point.
There is an inertia.
With the
right combination of frequencies, you can actually create arevolving field with inertial!
That is what I havereferred to as , The inertia effect."
"The
closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use.
In the case of my power unit,
you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
You can begin to
collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification
because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.It is important that you note that
you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work.
Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.
That is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the
whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self."
"The
multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick ."
"
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."
"We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all.
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with."
"The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker.
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire." (standing waves, when two signals from same source SMACK into each other, the current is STOPPED- Bruce)
"Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on topof the other.
But the important thing is to wrap thecontrol coils perpendicularly around the collectorcoils.
There need to be three of them all the wayaround.
Start them up one at a time each.
Firstfrequency then second harmonic component into thesecond, then the third.
When you eventually strike thecord look out.
you will know what has happened at thatpoint.
In the mean time you can measure a slightoutput even if you do not strike the exact cord."[/size][/font]
"I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior
knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to
control the reactions going on inside the collector." (reactions caused by the intermodulation of the three frequencies)
"By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."
"Lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier.
You should hear my new amplifier I have made." (amplifier, mixer of signals)
"Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know...
Stereo? I have a three channel system I listen to.
Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else."
"The Kill switch....remember the kill switch, I do not want this to scare the crap out of any body and have them telling mamma, balming satan, god, or any body else."
"We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all.
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks[/]. (Harmonics produced via intermodulation)
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with."
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Intermodulation is ONLY the means to an end. It produces the harmonics OF the fundamental, and hundreds of replicas of the fundamental also. And at the THIRD ORDER intermodulaion, and incredible thing happens, and ALL EIGHT HARMONICS CONVERGE AT ONE TIME!!!!!
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Quote from: BEP on August 30, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
Does anyone have any evidence that this SM is the real SM?
BEP
Lindsay already put this question to bed a number of posts back. I assume this was from the real SM himself advising Lindsay of the fake:
QuoteThe person posting as Steven is not , Im sorry to say.
Perhaps this will give us some idea of the lengths people will go to to create chaos.
I think you're getting jerked around Stefan, don't believe it.
.99
Quote from: BEP on August 30, 2009, 09:46:01 PM
Like I said in a past post: They appear to be miniature TPUs used to drive the larger coil sets.
This my next process. The accident threw my schedule off.
Bias the whole ring but just shock a small part like Kunel. I have these builds ready for any freq and voltage.
--giantkiller.
@Bruce
"First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third."
"First frequency" - Unclear...Apply F1 to the first collector/control arrangement? Or expect F1 to be generated by other actions?
"then" = delay.
"Second harmonic component" is the third harmonic of the first frequency (F3) - so we are still at one injected frequency but injected at a first location.
"into the second" means inject F3 into the second collector/control arrangement. - still at one injected frequency but injected at a second location.
"then" = delay.
"the third" means inject F3 into the third collector/control arrangement. - still at one frequency.
The notion of always having to be just off a certain frequency points me to the fact we are dealing with a circular path. That means pi must be used. So instead of F3, make it F3.14.
"I have a three channel system I listen to." - three collectors.
What I see is there are two separate injections of ~F3 with delays inserted to cause phase shifts.
Since 8 harmonics are mentioned this leads me to believe there is an even number of injection points. Perhaps two with 3 components of the desired F1, each(equaling a total of 8 harmonics of the desired F1).
I've seen no mention that these frequencies are different. It is much easier to create rotation with two vectors of one frequency. Since dual rotation is mentioned two frequencies would be required. One for the circumference of the collector and one for the circumference of the control.
Past experience and current experiments indicate the ratio of circumference between control and collector must be 1:2*pi. If it isn't then there will be no harmonic coupling between the control and collector signals and no 'dual' rotation or entrainment. No entrainment = no nonlinear system and no deterministic chaos. No chaos = no gain.
Since the very precise frequency of 35.705kHz was mentioned as 'measured' I must assume that is the result or F1. So 35.705 * (2 * 3.14) = ~224kHz injected in two or three separate coil sets with a phase shift between them.
Time to quit now. As you see, the whole thing can be read various ways.
Youtube: spinning crop circles. You won't believe what you see. 8)
This shows visual harmonics of the TPU functioning. Say what?
Go with this as a model of action. I would prefer a better level of control but theses guys aren't working on what we are.
I would really like a nanomesh of hall effects to wrap this over. Like a high density cloth much like the pixel layer of LCD screens.
Maybe in the future sometime these can be grown in sheets.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on August 31, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
Youtube: spinning crop circles. You won't believe what you see. 8)
This shows visual harmonics of the TPU functioning. Say what?
Go with this as a model of action. I would prefer a better level of control but theses guys aren't working on what we are.
I would really like a nanomesh of hall effects to wrap this over. Like a high density cloth much like the pixel layer of LCD screens.
Maybe in the future sometime these can be grown in sheets.
--giantkiller.
:D
Why is it that my posts always trigger crop circle comments, GK?
Am I considered one of the forum's alien visitors?
BEP
Yes and with only one frequency plus a second same but off phase, you do not need synchronicity.
Fundamental frequency is what collector 1, as a tuned resonant tank is tuned to.
2nd harmonic of fundamental is what collector 2, as a tuned resonant tank is tuned to.
3rd harmonic of fundamental is what collector 3, as a tuned resonant tank, is tuned to.
Input frequency 1, into "amplifier" (mixer) is fundamental frequency. (Center Frequency)
Input frequency 2, into "amplifier" (mixer) is Modulation Frequency.
Input frequency 3, into "amplifier" (mixer) is Modulation Frequency.
The "EFFECT" of these three input frequency's mixing is their "CREATING" frequencies, via intermodulation. Adding up, and subtracting down. This "PROCESS" (as I have the three freq's SM gave in private for the 15") when shown in a spreadsheet, produces "hundreds" of replicas of the fundamental, and "hundreds" of replicas of the first 7 Harmonics of the fundamental.
And then, on the "THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION", all EIGHT OF THESE FREQUENCIES "COMBINE", converge, what SM refers to as his description of "RESONANCE".
All of this happens in a pica second.
Now, this is the kicker. When the signal from the amp is split, and one leg is inverted, and these opposing signals are sent into the collector, you have "INTERMODULATION" taking place, both "IN PHASE" via one leg of the signal, and "INTERMODULATION" taking place, that is "INVERTED 180 degrees, out of phase" from the other leg of the signal.
This establishes "standing waves" of every single "CREATED" frequency. another vital part of this working.
I DO AGREE THAT ...
kiss
keep it simple ... so the jt is a simple tpu...
bruce you can mess with 3 freqs ...
but i will try 4 at some point to shift material from 1 to another .. ;)
3 FREQS ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR A SIMPLE TPU ..
IST
Ok.
I see now why you are excited.
I also see what SM probably meant by 'cancellation'. The top and bottom, being 180 out, are bucking fields of all these frequencies. Summation would create a near zero field between them.
This is how I'm getting a small amount of DC from a collector.
Where does 'rotation' come in?
I still can't agree on the point of mixing. Mixing in the amp does not create the reaction like mixing in the medium.
BEP
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 31, 2009, 07:52:32 AM
Fundamental frequency is what collector 1, as a tuned resonant tank is tuned to.
2nd harmonic of fundamental is what collector 2, as a tuned resonant tank is tuned to.
3rd harmonic of fundamental is what collector 3, as a tuned resonant tank, is tuned to.
Input frequency 1, into "amplifier" (mixer) is fundamental frequency. (Center Frequency)
Input frequency 2, into "amplifier" (mixer) is Modulation Frequency.
Input frequency 3, into "amplifier" (mixer) is Modulation Frequency.
The "EFFECT" of these three input frequency's mixing is their "CREATING" frequencies, via intermodulation. Adding up, and subtracting down. This "PROCESS" (as I have the three freq's SM gave in private for the 15") when shown in a spreadsheet, produces "hundreds" of replicas of the fundamental, and "hundreds" of replicas of the first 7 Harmonics of the fundamental.
And then, on the "THIRD ORDER INTERMODULATION", all EIGHT OF THESE FREQUENCIES "COMBINE", converge, what SM refers to as his description of "RESONANCE".
All of this happens in a pica second.
Now, this is the kicker. When the signal from the amp is split, and one leg is inverted, and these opposing signals are sent into the collector, you have "INTERMODULATION" taking place, both "IN PHASE" via one leg of the signal, and "INTERMODULATION" taking place, that is "INVERTED 180 degrees, out of phase" from the other leg of the signal.
This establishes "standing waves" of every single "CREATED" frequency. another vital part of this working.
it looks like you know a lot more about that stuff. more secret messages...
i don't get it. if sm share info's why is there a selected group needed?what makes ones better than the others?i mean do you really think you know every member of this VIPs?wake up; it's the internet, there's no reality here.everyone could be everyone.
when new guys are coming around and asking about help building this shit they get as an answer: "look up the info allready posted".it's that the way? i don't think so.
anyway thanks for sharing the new info Bruce
@ real SM
If you want to disclose without being exposed i can help.need details?just ask!
For any energy collection system you must have a scource a converter and a storage unit. One truck call it the input frequency or just truck particle 1. We accelerate truck particle 2 to the same velocity and vector as 1. This input energy is the intermediate frequency. Then we couple the two trucks together flipping over latching devices so now the truck particles merge. Now the two trucks are intermodulated. Then of course the two trucks can smack into a wall and we have gained from the input energy of truck 1 just a little. Or uncouple the trucks at the proper time and let our input signal be stored coasting around a cul de sac. Our intermediate frequency goes on around it's loop and intermodulates with another input frequency and unloads it into the storage loop at the proper time. This can happen at millions of cycles a second or just one or two or 5000 whatever. Pretty soon the culdesac current is getting pretty hot and heavy. Haven't they been doing this for years in television sets.?
Sorry,
But you don't seem to be part of the anthill group think. Besides, these other patterns emerge with new meaning. The ants just don't understand the concept of the magnifying glass.
Quote from: BEP on August 31, 2009, 12:55:36 AM
:D
Why is it that my posts always trigger crop circle comments, GK?
Am I considered one of the forum's alien visitors?
BEP
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 30, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
Please give the exact quote and source of this. None of that is in the compiled letters of SM and in the .PDF released from Mannix.
Bruce, check PM please
Quote from: wattsup on August 29, 2009, 11:20:27 AM
JUST LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY.
I just blew my HP 214B Pulse Generator. Found a resistor toasted, ran out to get one 237k but found only a 240k, changed it, but still no go. That is about the limit of my EE acumen to fix it. Shit. I had just finished preparing my next TPU test with just a first ring and outer coil and toroid. Connected it to the pulse generator and boom. It blew. It was preset at around 2mhz when I put it on and boom.
If anyone knows anything about these pulse generators, the resistor is R508 (237k) and you can see it on pages 108 and 112 of my manual located here.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Equipment%20Manuals/214B%20HP%20Pulse%20Generator/00214-90012.pdf
Wattsup,
It looks to me that R508 is more likely a 2.37K resistor, 237K is kinda high for what looks like a 15 volt circuit. Did the resistor have color bands on it? Or was it just a printed value? If color bands then for a 2.37K 1% resistor it should be Red - Orange - Violet -Brown -Brown. It may be too burnt up to see. On the schematic the value of the resistor is written as, 2 space 37K, look for another resistor value written the same way. On page 101, R102 is written as, 2 space 74k, just measure it with an ohm meter to see if its value reads less than 3k, if it does then I would say that R508 is a 2.37k ohm resistor. :)
Justalabrat
Quote from: BEP on August 31, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
Ok.
I see now why you are excited.
I also see what SM probably meant by 'cancellation'. The top and bottom, being 180 out, are bucking fields of all these frequencies. Summation would create a near zero field between them.
This is how I'm getting a small amount of DC from a collector.
Where does 'rotation' come in?
I still can't agree on the point of mixing. Mixing in the amp does not create the reaction like mixing in the medium.
BEP
When the mixing is in the medium the spin is enabled.
--giantkiller.
its a while since a looked at the TPU but i always maintained that coil banging with pulses, and logic control is wrong!
In the past few months/years many many more RE/OU devices are shown on the net and they all have common themes. SM said the answer lay with Tesla and he is right. Its only a case of resonance and self oscillation. Again SM emphasized there is no mass control circuits and in fact no more then self running oscillators.
What i do know based on the work of Tesla and Don Smith is that RE = RF in a node of time space and magnetic coupling does not suffer entropy loss and this is the KEY!
In order to make RE you must first excite the local ambient space. Anything over 100Khz enters the RF arena and split EM can occur.
Take HV coil transformer as used in strobe supply it will give 5Kv if we drive with 5Khz clock using a 12 volt source battery. If i couple this through a balun driver i can match this into a collector loop of 5 turns.
if i take this collector loop i get this to self oscillate at say 1 meg with a 2,200pf cap and the result will be around 1 meg that contains 5Khz modulation.
If this coil is loaded in anyway i will kill the source! if i rectify this i end up with DC 5000 volts with 5Khz hash as modulation, so far so good. EACH turn on the collector now has 5000/5 turns = 1000 volts. But i don't touch this source and this is unlike what everyone does on this forum is play with the source you must NOT touch this!
Now make another collector of 1 full turn. Its LC =F will be quite a bit higher then the primary driver the ratio needs to be 1.618 higher so 1.618 megs. In open air non cored magnetic coupled to the source this loop will acquire 1000 volts. Remember SM explained all this in his notes.
This secondary collector will acquire magnetic non loss induction to the primary driver. Its o/p tank is fed to a FWBR and will be 1000 volts and the current is limited ONLY by the wire resistance.
Again if i want more current i add another collector and it COPIES from the source! SM explains all this again in his notes. If i want more volts i add this collector in series to give 2000 volt supply.
SO
What are the magic frequencies? There are NONE!!! only magnetic induction is 1.618 higher then source F
1 Clock driver to start HV
2 Driver RE energizer collector F = diameter of L plus C
3 collector load = F = diameter of L plus C and is tuned to 1st collector for best results look for 1.618 higher then source.
O/p = turns ratio of collector 1 to collector 2 into FWBR = DC PLUS source modulation = 5Khz 1000 VDC
Sounds too simple then read Tesla patents, read everything about Don Smith and Kapanadze the latter has several working systems using RF magnetic induction devices.
Can i build this using parts from Rat Shack? YES Is it simple like SM said? YES and does it work like Tesla as SM suggested? YES Does it rely on resonance? YES and of simple low cost circuits no complex mosfet coil bangers? YES
The minimum number of collector coils required is 2 one source one copy. But i can have one source and 5 copies each copy becomes a NEW supply of FULL capacity.
Don't forget RE = RF in energy transformation!
Cant wait for your working design :)
A.
Quote from: bolt on August 31, 2009, 02:19:59 PM
its a while since a looked at the TPU but i always maintained that coil banging with pulses, and logic control is wrong!
In the past few months/years many many more RE/OU devices are shown on the net and they all have common themes. SM said the answer lay with Tesla and he is right. Its only a case of resonance and self oscillation. Again SM emphasized there is no mass control circuits and in fact no more then self running oscillators.
What i do know based on the work of Tesla and Don Smith is that RE = RF in a node of time space and magnetic coupling does not suffer entropy loss and this is the KEY!
In order to make RE you must first excite the local ambient space. Anything over 100Khz enters the RF arena and split EM can occur.
Take HV coil transformer as used in strobe supply it will give 5Kv if we drive with 5Khz clock using a 12 volt source battery. If i couple this through a balun driver i can match this into a collector loop of 5 turns.
if i take this collector loop i get this to self oscillate at say 1 meg with a 2,200pf cap and the result will be around 1 meg that contains 5Khz modulation.
If this coil is loaded in anyway i will kill the source! if i rectify this i end up with DC 5000 volts with 5Khz hash as modulation, so far so good. EACH turn on the collector now has 5000/5 turns = 1000 volts. But i don't touch this source and this is unlike what everyone does on this forum is play with the source you must NOT touch this!
Now make another collector of 1 full turn. Its LC =F will be quite a bit higher then the primary driver the ratio needs to be 1.618 higher so 1.618 megs. In open air non cored magnetic coupled to the source this loop will acquire 1000 volts. Remember SM explained all this in his notes.
This secondary collector will acquire magnetic non loss induction to the primary driver. Its o/p tank is fed to a FWBR and will be 1000 volts and the current is limited ONLY by the wire resistance.
Again if i want more current i add another collector and it COPIES from the source! SM explains all this again in his notes. If i want more volts i add this collector in series to give 2000 volt supply.
SO
What are the magic frequencies? There are NONE!!! only magnetic induction is 1.618 higher then source F
1 Clock driver to start HV
2 Driver RE energizer collector F = diameter of L plus C
3 collector load = F = diameter of L plus C and is tuned to 1st collector for best results look for 1.618 higher then source.
O/p = turns ratio of collector 1 to collector 2 into FWBR = DC PLUS source modulation = 5Khz 1000 VDC
Sounds too simple then read Tesla patents, read everything about Don Smith and Kapanadze the latter has several working systems using RF magnetic induction devices.
Can i build this using parts from Rat Shack? YES Is it simple like SM said? YES and does it work like Tesla as SM suggested? YES Does it rely on resonance? YES and of simple low cost circuits no complex mosfet coil bangers? YES
The minimum number of collector coils required is 2 one source one copy. But i can have one source and 5 copies each copy becomes a NEW supply of FULL capacity.
Don't forget RE = RF in energy transformation!
It's all hard to understand. What do you mean by self-resonate ? Standing wave ?
I think that the most simple device would be the lost Hubbard coil instead of TPU. It's a pity we can't find any info about it (that's telling me it was too simple to be documented)
@Bolt,
I agree and comply.
I am mixing apples and oranges here.
The mixing design I am working on is to do what Keely has stated. But that needs a power supply. Hence the TPU. The specs you just posted are as clear as can be. It models the tuning fork analogy and is in league with the Hubbard, Moray, Don Smith and Kapanadze(He even shows the 9 volt battery).
Hubbard clearly does not touch the source. He copies it 8 times.
Why does Rat Shack work? Minimal conduction is key along with resonance. No diffusion into the conductor.
QuoteWhat i do know based on the work of Tesla and Don Smith is that RE = RF in a node of time space and magnetic coupling does not suffer entropy loss and this is the KEY!
Podkletnov proved no loss also at huge distances.
--giantkiller.
WELCOME BACK COIL BANING BOLT... :)
lol
sounds intresting ...
and i almost feel like building something im just getting the work shop set up first ...
and i gots me lots o room to build ...
ist..
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 31, 2009, 07:52:32 AM
This "PROCESS" (as I have the three freq's SM gave in private for the 15") when shown in a spreadsheet, produces "hundreds" of replicas of the fundamental, and "hundreds" of replicas of the first 7 Harmonics of the fundamental.
@Bruce
Are you at liberty post the spreadsheet?
Success requires proof and there are plenty of videos on youtube now that shows all this is real and no pipe dream.
Next step is confirmation. You confirm what you already know so build something simple to start. Dont matter if its a tesla coil lighting up a single bulb on one wire or even the DS plasma ball test with 4 turns as a collector on top as L and C use microwave oven cap. Ground one side and you awake the GODs!
RE= RF where EV volts in left hand electron spin replies from ambient free electrons induce magnetic right hand spin into coil = RE
Electrons are everywhere universally you only have to ask. You do NOT have to pay for delivery from your electric company you have plenty already! AMPS is a POST operation.
have OU it really is that simple.
The bullshit sure is getting deep in this thread...
@Bolts
When calculating L in a tank and the L takes on the form of a loaded transformer primary would current drawn from the secondary of the transformer damp the oscillations?
Quote from: sparks on August 31, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
@Bolts
When calculating L in a tank and the L takes on the form of a loaded transformer primary would current drawn from the secondary of the transformer damp the oscillations?
No not when you use an intermediate stage that has been magnetically coupled in RF. This is the top and bottom of the entire process. This is exactly how Kapanadze system works and in his own words "i have only re-discovered what Tesla told us 100 years ago"
Think of it like this. I have a TV transmitter station. Do i care how many people watch the transmission? Of course not the loading on my transmitter is unchanged if one or 10 MIO tune in to watch.
Now see what happens at 60 Hz through an iron core transformer. I put a load on the o/p and it loads the i/p 100% + transformer losses.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 31, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
The bullshit sure is getting deep in this thread...
Bout time you stopped being Grumpy and be enlightened.
A refresher course on Tesla, Kapanadze and Don Smith should do the trick.
bolt
Can you repeat in simpler words ?
So we need :
1. Output circuit with load in resonance , but completely separated from powering circuit (in TPU : collectors forming tank circuits and intermodulation gives us no connection between powering circuit and working circuit)
2. A way to move any electrons into load (in TPU : "squeeze hose")
Is that correct ?
Does Kapanadze uses magnetic resonance ? Is there any explanation what is it ? IS IT intermodulation ???
Quote from: bolt on August 31, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
Bout time you stopped being Grumpy and be enlightened.
A refresher course on Tesla, Kapanadze and Don Smith should do the trick.
The "bullshit" comment was not aimed at you. It was just a general statement.
I would not call what you have "enlightenment".
Quote from: forest on August 31, 2009, 05:49:01 PM
bolt
Can you repeat in simpler words ?
So we need :
1. Output circuit with load in resonance , but completely separated from powering circuit (in TPU : collectors forming tank circuits and intermodulation gives us no connection between powering circuit and working circuit)
All these systems require a source excited in to RF and high voltage. If i have an oscillator that runs at say 1 meg and 100 volts my drive power to achieve this maybe only be milliwatts. If i couple magnetically the source is NOT effected. Its now a one way valve.
2. A way to move any electrons into load (in TPU : "squeeze hose")
Electrons dont like to be displaced. It only takes volts not AMPS to move them. If the conditions for excitation and resonance remains intact then in effect my load will continue to absorb a constant flow of ambient electrons as they try to plug the hole created in the ether. In so doing will create AMPS. Now the source started off as Electron Volts in RF state becomes VARS as Volt Amp Reactive. Now this becomes JOULES as real energy as the ether cold electricity or RE provides the power not the source.
Practical limitation is wire melts! See kapanadze video where is uses ELF ground differential amplification and pulls free electrons from the earth.
Is that correct ?
Does Kapanadze uses magnetic resonance ? Is there any explanation what is it ? IS IT intermodulation ???
Yes the key is magnetic resonance its not intermodulation.
Look at Rotoverter. Its the most simple way of witness this effect using off the shelf 3 phase motor.
In RV mode the source is only around 5 or 10 watts to run a massive 7 HP motor. The rotating magnetic field is in effect RF albeit ELF. Its enough to agitate local electrons that are NOT the source drive power. This pulls in free electrons and adds energy to the rotating magnetic field of the motor. The motor actually starts to gain FROST! Its not perfect if we load the motor too much it detunes from magnetic resonance and losses power. In other words its like a narrow band RF receiver.
This is the dead opposite to normal where if WE supply the electrons it gets HOT.
i got a pic for you bolt wanna build it ?
it is the winding ... from a 3 phase 540v 7hp induction motor ... got 3 phase relays too ...
so lets make her singgg..
ill add pics soon ...
im gonna move it inside to work on it
ist!
darn thing weighs 150 plus lbs .. the rotor will be a pulse motor ..
and here is the ring core from a 600v 30 hp 3 phase motor
i will be rewinding it after i cut it from the caseing ...
Great post Bolt, you have me Going!
Before I had any contact with Steven , that is where my head was regarding the ftpu.
If you want to ignore everything that came through me... after all the possibility exists that the ftpu video, simply revealed too much.
The centre is the to and fro, the outer track is the foward motion but wired so that to and fro becomes foward motion top and bottom but reverse directions. hence the quadrants.
round sections of transformer lamination's.
Think of an engine . The piston goes up and down but the crankshaft turns round and round .
look at a full or half wave rectifier but in reverse , the diodes ensure that we have rotation.
Perhaps diodes are not even required if everything is in balance.
Can this rotary motion interact with the field in witch we are immersed?
Is it possible to create a magnetic balance with copper and iron in a circle that will self oscillate if the balance is biased (magnet)?
Of course this would seem to have nothing to do with 3 frequencies. but the ftpu surely has a single thingy in the middle and even numbers everywhere else.
So, if you want to ingore the info that came thru me, follow this path of experiments
The JT guys have a bit of a head start here but I doubt any driving frequency would be required...perhaps just to start with and very little .
If such an arrangement can be made to spin up, first base will be reached
Mine is not spinning yet
But if your approaching permanent magnet causes small oscillation, rather than dc you will see the possibilities with this
Back to you Bolt
Lindsay
The FTPU doesn't drop down in voltage that much when the magnet is removed, but it drops in voltage dramatically when it is turned upside down. Everything else makes sense to me except this behavior. If it wasn't for this behavior the FTPU is nothing more then a double loop antenna matched to resonate at whatever frequency he desires, say 5 kHz, the toroid in the center is just to add more inductance, then there is a capacitor I see, etc... But the upside down behavior is quite the key....
I can't explain that in terms of antenna theory and directivity, something to ponder for sure.
EM
Thats because the interactive field is now reversed
Can I describe it as a magnetic wing that interacts with the 3d mag field?
Both horizontal and vertical
Quote from: EMdevices on August 31, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
The FTPU doesn't drop down in voltage that much when the magnet is removed, but it drops in voltage dramatically when it is turned upside down. Everything else makes sense to me except this behavior. If it wasn't for this behavior the FTPU is nothing more then a double loop antenna matched to resonate at whatever frequency he desires, say 5 kHz, the toroid in the center is just to add more inductance, then there is a capacitor I see, etc... But the upside down behavior is quite the key....
I can't explain that in terms of antenna theory and directivity, something to ponder for sure.
EM
@EM
Mark one pole of a strong NEO disk then drop it in a bucket of sand. Note which end is up. Repeat.
Compare the heads/tails totals. Then think about a magnetic field with relative movement to the Earth's magnetic field.
Please let me know what you think. Until then I'll wait until the s/n ratio drops.
Don't forget! RE and RF are the same thing!
Excuse me for a while. My boots are getting heavy.
Tesla would have us believe that the Earth is a huge spherical capacitor plate charged negative just like the skin of a copper wire is negatively charged as opposed to the positively charge core. So we are just part of a capacitor plate which is relative to the rest of space. If the Earth charges or discharges the dielectric potential in the near field of the capacitor plate is altered with the resultant displacement current and accomapanying magnetic field flux changed.
Quote from: bolt on August 31, 2009, 02:19:59 PM
its a while since a looked at the TPU but i always maintained that coil banging with pulses, and logic control is wrong!
In the past few months/years many many more RE/OU devices are shown on the net and they all have common themes. SM said the answer lay with Tesla and he is right. Its only a case of resonance and self oscillation. Again SM emphasized there is no mass control circuits and in fact no more then self running oscillators.
What i do know based on the work of Tesla and Don Smith is that RE = RF in a node of time space and magnetic coupling does not suffer entropy loss and this is the KEY!
In order to make RE you must first excite the local ambient space. Anything over 100Khz enters the RF arena and split EM can occur.
Take HV coil transformer as used in strobe supply it will give 5Kv if we drive with 5Khz clock using a 12 volt source battery. If i couple this through a balun driver i can match this into a collector loop of 5 turns.
if i take this collector loop i get this to self oscillate at say 1 meg with a 2,200pf cap and the result will be around 1 meg that contains 5Khz modulation.
If this coil is loaded in anyway i will kill the source! if i rectify this i end up with DC 5000 volts with 5Khz hash as modulation, so far so good. EACH turn on the collector now has 5000/5 turns = 1000 volts. But i don't touch this source and this is unlike what everyone does on this forum is play with the source you must NOT touch this!
Now make another collector of 1 full turn. Its LC =F will be quite a bit higher then the primary driver the ratio needs to be 1.618 higher so 1.618 megs. In open air non cored magnetic coupled to the source this loop will acquire 1000 volts. Remember SM explained all this in his notes.
This secondary collector will acquire magnetic non loss induction to the primary driver. Its o/p tank is fed to a FWBR and will be 1000 volts and the current is limited ONLY by the wire resistance.
Again if i want more current i add another collector and it COPIES from the source! SM explains all this again in his notes. If i want more volts i add this collector in series to give 2000 volt supply.
SO
What are the magic frequencies? There are NONE!!! only magnetic induction is 1.618 higher then source F
1 Clock driver to start HV
2 Driver RE energizer collector F = diameter of L plus C
3 collector load = F = diameter of L plus C and is tuned to 1st collector for best results look for 1.618 higher then source.
O/p = turns ratio of collector 1 to collector 2 into FWBR = DC PLUS source modulation = 5Khz 1000 VDC
Sounds too simple then read Tesla patents, read everything about Don Smith and Kapanadze the latter has several working systems using RF magnetic induction devices.
Can i build this using parts from Rat Shack? YES Is it simple like SM said? YES and does it work like Tesla as SM suggested? YES Does it rely on resonance? YES and of simple low cost circuits no complex mosfet coil bangers? YES
The minimum number of collector coils required is 2 one source one copy. But i can have one source and 5 copies each copy becomes a NEW supply of FULL capacity.
Don't forget RE = RF in energy transformation!
If the COLLECTOR is wire as lamp chord but is HORIZONTAL, meaning that you have an INSIDE LOOP and an OUTER LOOP. The INSIDE LOOP (three turns should be about just right for the 15") is what Bolt calls "THE SOURCE". I agree that it can not be touched. It is the tuned resonant tank. (speaking just of one collector)
The OUTSIDE LOOP of the collector is for two things. First, the DC Pulsed Bias is put into it, and this gains in CURRENT and becomes the pulsed DC OUTPUT.
Remember, the output is PULSED DC, not straightline, like that of a generator. It is a result of taking the input freqs and full bridge rectifying them to turn it too pulsed DC and then to INPUT THAT PULSED DC BACK into the output loops.
Sqeezing the hose is caused by the nodes and antinodes of the standing waves, established in the INNER LOOP.
The collector is of two conductors. Send the THREE FREQ's (two modulation, one Carrier) to an amp, mix them, send them to the INNER LOOP of the collector resonant tank circuit. From there they go to the Control coils wrapped 90 degrees as in Lindsay's Three stack. From the control coils, rectify with a full bridge and send into outer loop as PULSED DC BIAS. This become the OUTPUT on the outer loop.
Collector segment equals two conductors. Inside loop is resonant tank circuit, and outside loop is for bias that becomes output.
OUTPUT IS PULSED DC. Created by rectifying. Bias becomes the output. Not hard to imagine, when you consider what is taking place with the CREATION of ALL OF THOSE FREQ's via intermodulation. Creating all of those HARMONICS. Standing waves, stops the current. Nodes, anti nodes. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. So when the inverted wave SMASHES into IT"S IDENTICAL TWIN from the SAME SOURCE, in the pica second, what happens the the energy? The flux is disabled for that instant of time and the bias in the outer loop attract the electrons and grows in CURRENT.
What is the fundamental difference between the TPU and Tesla / kapanadze / Don Smith systems? The answer is GROUND. In the TPU it has no ground but requires a virtual ground.
The other systems need at least one real ground wire. The TPU can be simplified to work by using a ground wire but the ultimate version requires magnetic virtual ground coupling. By creating rotation this creates coupling. So how can we achieve this? Well to keep it simple and remain inside SM guidelines the source exciter collector will require 3 control coils around the source collector tank.
These control coils are wired in DELTA and fed by one source which creates 3 phases. The 2nd phase attempt to be 180 degree reactive but the 3rd phase is virtual and will combine to provide 120 degrees apart. The effect is rotation because this is how the rotoverter works. No magic timing processor required its all passive stuff. (If you doubt this go read how Rotoverter works by creating 3 phases from single phase supply and has REAL magnetic rotation.)
Nothing else changes from my posts a couple back on general operation and only the source driver collector tank requires delta rotation and the answer to this could be straight forward. What ever we do on the source effects the ambient. The ambient is now in rotation as the RE free electrons magnetically coupled to the passive collector. I say passive but it actually becomes the o/p load tank.
SO to review.
1000 volt driver running at 5Khz is fed into a balum for impeadance matching. BTW it could easy be 1Khz or 25Khz it dont matter. This is fed into 1st control coil wrapped around the collector. The collector of 5 turns runs about 1 meg or anything it free runs at as LC. The 1000 volt driver 5Khz has enough EV to start the collector coil into resonance. At the same time is has rotary motor effect running around the outside from the Delta connections its timing is set by just one cap. The collector now has 5000 E Volts field PLUS 3 phase overlay and will be modulated by 5 Khz.
All this above so far is exciter and can run at a few milliwatts. When first turned on there will be a speed up time as E field expands larger and larger and the virtual ground has acquisition and M is RE etheric reply.
The 2nd collector is just 1 loop and will magnetically couple to the exciter. One loop? yes SM said this too best results was seen with stranded copper wire of a loop not thousand turns or iron or anything else!
As its only 1 turn it will see 1000 volts. Again in needs to be tuned 1.618 higher then the source so for argument its 1.618 megs. Now it will see the ether RE electrons will stream into this collector but in addition they come in to it as a rotation because the exciter is stirred via virtual 3 phases. I think this aspect creates the powerful virtual earth bonding. Stands to reason that one side being active the other passive the device will be polarized respect to the earth.
The passive collector will see 1000 volts AC at 1.618 megs modulated 5Khz AND will be seeing 3 phase magnetic overlay. This o/p is simply picked off and fed to FWBR and then to bulbs or whatever. A small amount is then fed back to the driver to self power. Any voltage and current be selected by using the correct ratios etc. The o/p current is limited by the heating of the wire on the passsive collector. Usually RE produces cold electricity and this does too the O/P is in effect cold RF and you will get freeze burns.
BUT the 3 phase rotation is counter productive. Yes it provides extremely powerful virtual earth bonding but im sure this creates the heating problems known too.
Its the best i can do using information from all of SM notes, Tesla, kapanadze and Don Smith but im 80% certain it will work with an earth wire and if rotary 3 phase left off during bench testing.
Quote from: BEP on August 31, 2009, 09:24:18 PM
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Until then I'll wait until the s/n ratio drops.
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It's hopeless. The trolls never sleep.
Tesla use a ground because he coupled through the earth, not for any of the other bullshit reasons that people conjure up.
RF and RE are not the same.
Some here would not know the diff between a harmonic and a tank circuit.
Anyone that knows their ass from a hole in the ground can tell who the bullshitters are by the bullshit they post.
If it sounds like jibberish then it is jibberish.
The process of discovery requires new things ...
They are not well understood and that's the point.
Those that claim to are just as short of results as the other group...so why claim to?
Any why bury the inspirations people ....just ignore them, OK?
pushing down others does not make you higher ...just the opposite is the case .
And if it is those who you want to help then you will have to do so in a constructive manner.
Which requires some manners..oops!
I better go back to sleep
Quote from: Mannix on September 01, 2009, 03:16:30 AM
The process of discovery requires new things ...
They are not well understood and that's the point.
Those that claim to are just as short of results as the other group...so why claim to?
Any why bury the inspirations people ....just ignore them, OK?
pushing down others does not make you higher ...just the opposite is the case .
And if it is those who you want to help then you will have to do so in a constructive manner.
Which requires some manners..oops!
I better go back to sleep
I'm not pushing anyone down. Just voicing the facts.
Tesla in his Early work makes a transformer and Westinghouse latches onto the idea and now due to one reason or another years later we are still using one of Tesla's early devices even though Tesla designed and tested a meg type transformer and even said that it was better than what he had invented years before. Westinghouse never bought into this scheme his assembly plants were already returning good revenue on investment. Now comes along SM and copies Tesla's meg and here we are trying to replicate a replica. Sm's power scource could well have been a battery or a some iron fuel rod. But the action is a Tesla meg.
The spin is vital to the tpu just like it is vital to an ac power plant. But if the spinning magnetic field or what appears to be a spinning magnetic field like in a three phase motor is created by something other than a mechanical device it is going to get stomped on from every direction because who the fuck would need a noisy stinky hot engine to generate electricity anymore.
@Sparks,
Ditto!
@Grumpy
Feel better? lol Sometimes the steam has to be released. I get it.
OK, then, can you or others please answer the following questions.
I'll try and put them in a way for an easy Yes or No.
1) Does the Earth have a center molten magma that creates the Earths' magnetic field?
2) Does this Earth magnetic field have a North and a South Polarity?
3) Can someone on Earth (or off Earth) be in both polarities at the same time?
4) How many polarities are required for a generator to produce electricity?
5) If I live in one polarity, all I would need is a ring or loop of the other polarity with an output coil wrapped over it and as I pulse the loops single polarity, I also pulse with and against the Earth polarity field and make both fields move from in and out of the coil.
If creating a mono-polarity ring loop is possible, would the above be right?
6) If I had a toroid core with two coils (like the center toroid of FTPU), can one coil be used as a loop biasing component, meaning if I wanted a North loop, I connect the loop to the north side of the coil but the loop is not long enough to make its own north and south polarity (like a regular coil) so the coil thinks the loop is a continuation of itself. Ftpu top ring has only 2 1/4 turns.
If this was possible, the loop would not have a south polarity nor a blotch wall. The loops' blotch wall would be in the toroid coil. This is the type of imbalance I think will assist in attracting more Earth polarity toward the loop, hence increasing the output from the output coils That are wrapped over the loop. Does this make any sense?
End
Thanks for your help.
Maybe these questions will give you an idea on what I am investigating presently and this function is how I see the TPUs working.
YES, the Earth field is around us but only half. One polarity is dominant. Not both. Once we understand what the real source is, we can start figuring out how to reel it in.
So I am thinking if I work to make a north polarity loop, then I have my two sources for generation of electricity. Wrap a coil over the loop, pulse the loop to resonance and I will pulse both polarities, one man made, one Earth abundant. Want more juice. Use the second coil in the toroid and do the same for a second loop running in the same plane but in the other direction. Use the same pulse but phase the second loop and this will give 3D spacial that may not just add to the first but multiply the total output. If the Earth field is not strong enough to start her up, I just bring a magnet (or two) and place them near the output coil with the magnet polarity that is equal to my local Earth's polarity placed to face from inside pointing outwards, towards the outer ring. Also the toroids south polarities will aid in seeding the vicinity of the loop and output coil.
This can also be tested using one top north loop and one bottom south loop off of the same toroid coil.
Lastly this can be tested using two loops in the top both continuing down to the bottom loop and pulsing the north loop then the south loop slighly off phase. This would simulate a rotor turning inside the outer output coil. More conventional.
That's what I will be learning next. During my first tests, this is when I blew my frequency generator. lol This imbalance sysytem, for me, will eventually lead to devices that can pull power from the Earth's magnetic field. Clouds have been playing this polarity game for billions of years. lol
@poynt99 and @justalabrat
Thanks for the PM and post respectively. I think you are right about the resistor in my frequency generator. It is not 237k but 2.37k. It is the first time I am reading off a schematic to fix something and did not notice the space between the 2 and the 3. So I bought a pack of them today, changed the resistor and still no go. I will take it to my local EE shop today and ask them to fix it.
well kids im a grinding ... ;D
i hope to get the ring removed today ... ;)
she's a brute...
SHALL I MAKE HER SPIT FIRE ... ;D
THERE 36 SLOTS IN THE LAMANITED CORE ..
AND I HAVE A SMALLER ONE WITH 24 SLOTS ALREADY PAINTED AND READY TO WIND ...
but lets nail down the forumila to make her work first ...
i have 28ga magnet wire i will use to make the electromagnets ...
many turns
ist! grinding ..... :)
hmm, how about bifilar coil with slighty changed phase or signal flowing through one of the branch properly wound or placed in space (right hand spirals)? maybe consisted of wires of different diameter (and resistance) ?
People, in general, have a tendency to make everything too complicated.
Maybe we can ask some of SM's buds what kind of ammeter he used in his demo. One I saw looks like an ac clamp on ammeter you can get down at your local electricians supply store. They work good if you are measuring ac voltage magnetic field flux changes at 60hz but not so good when you have 5000hzdc with some hash in it. Notice the complete abscense of an oscilliscope in any of his demos. If you were trying to sell me a generator I would insist on seeing the quality of the electricity coming out beyond how hot lightbulbs get. And what about the college professor doesn't his department have an oscilliscope on hand? Even if SM was converting 60hz field fluctuations I want a TPU so I can rip off the power companies like they been ripping us off for years. They wouldnt even know it because they are too busy choking their 60hz signal in Tesla's early year designs. All you need is a ferrite core antennae that responds to the emwave field between the hightension lines and the Earth.
i finally got the ring out ....
wow ...
i dont even want to talk about it.... it was a pain
ill paint it tonight and get ready to wind it
the old formula for electro coils says ... the tighter the wind ... the stronger the feilds produced ..
this is exactaly why the tesla pancake works so well ... ;)
as the width of the coil is thin .. same style goal here fine wire many many turns and packed tightly ... my goal is to make an extreamly strong feild from a week source ... instead of the way the 600vac motor was wound ... but what if i can get a magic feild almost as strong from a AA BATTERY ... ;D :o :o :o 8)
ist
Quote from: sparks on September 01, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Maybe we can ask some of SM's buds what kind of ammeter he used in his demo. One I saw looks like an ac clamp on ammeter you can get down at your local electricians supply store. They work good if you are measuring ac voltage magnetic field flux changes at 60hz but not so good when you have 5000hzdc with some hash in it. Notice the complete abscense of an oscilliscope in any of his demos. If you were trying to sell me a generator I would insist on seeing the quality of the electricity coming out beyond how hot lightbulbs get. And what about the college professor doesn't his department have an oscilliscope on hand? Even if SM was converting 60hz field fluctuations I want a TPU so I can rip off the power companies like they been ripping us off for years. They wouldnt even know it because they are too busy choking their 60hz signal in Tesla's early year designs. All you need is a ferrite core antennae that responds to the emwave field between the hightension lines and the Earth.
The TPU is DC with 5Khz clock which has been modulated from the source clock driver which provided the initial HV oscillator.
The other thing that is false is rotation. This improves the efficiency but is not required to see OU effects. A Tesla coil has no spinning effects but is still an OU device when properly configured.
Splitting EM components only happens at RF frequencies.
Quote from: innovation_station on August 31, 2009, 06:50:01 PM
i got a pic for you bolt wanna build it ?
it is the winding ... from a 3 phase 540v 7hp induction motor ... got 3 phase relays too ...
so lets make her singgg..
ill add pics soon ...
im gonna move it inside to work on it
ist!
darn thing weighs 150 plus lbs .. the rotor will be a pulse motor ..
and here is the ring core from a 600v 30 hp 3 phase motor
i will be rewinding it after i cut it from the caseing ...
I would have left it alone as 3 phase motor wire as Delta and drive it with 4 :1 pulley using DC 2HP perm magnet motor from treadmill. By vectoring 3 phase PD using correct caps to DC motor can be looped!
Or run in RV mode i can run this thing on 10 watts and charge batteries! Its easy to take series cap off run cap through FWBR and charge battery from VARS 250 volts direct to 12 volt truck battery!
Quote from: Grumpy on September 01, 2009, 12:58:40 PM
People, in general, have a tendency to make everything too complicated.
Sorry Grumpy. I can't understand that. It is too short, clear, possible and is not full of multiple misused and unrelated buzzwords ;D
bep i got me 2 of em ... i did not get caps with the motors just the motors ...
heck with spinning any thing ;D
lol
problem comes up with the 7hp unit i did not destory .. it has only 3 wires ?? hummm
now im no motor guy but this does not seam right ... it is a 3 phase ...
unit ..
the rotors from both motors will be made into pulse motors of huge mass to drive gear boxes and 12vdc altonators ... ;)
ist!
well i finally got the core from the 30 hp unit out painted and ready to wind ..
im still getting over the grinding i took a few for the team in the eye on that deal ..
but finally it is all done ..
ill file it for now .. as i got this self running motor to finish .. first for MR MAG AND FD ... SO THEY WILL STOP BEING SO CRUSTY .. :D
ist
a pic .. the ring weighs bout 60lbs
Do we have complete information to draw picture of TPU ? I mean the exact coils arrangement in space. Could someone provide it ? Is that something like collector coil inside and control coil outside with 3 coils around it to provide 3 frequencies ?
Bruce_TPU ?
Quote from: stevenDmark on August 19, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Dear friends,
I am being watched very closely. Last week somebody hacked into my email account and changed the password. I am not able to respond to any new messages. When i first found that the system was putting out more energy then i had to put in, the idea of rotating the energy came to mind. The first successful units only deliverd a couple of volts, but when these are put into rotation it amplifies the output many fold! The key is in resonating with the energy present. As most of you know in classic radio reception, the low frequency component is filtered out of the carrier wave by a diode and fed into a capacitor to smooth it out into sound. Some receivers first mix the received signal with a signal from a local oscillator and then the mixed signals are further processed in the next stage. Even other receivers stimulate the oscillation by feeding back a small amount of energy into the tank circuit. Remember what i told you about the VHF and UHF tubes that i used and the crystal clear results. Tubes can go far beyond the limits of transistors because the signals are processed at high voltage. This all relates to noise. If you have some noise in your amplifier, say 0.01 volts this is insignificant when the important signals are occuring at 250 volts or more, but when the important signals are only as low as tens of volts, this noise becomes major problem to deal with. And this is only noise, I am not even talking about the generation of odd and even harmonics... Which are another problem to deal with. In my units we are also intrested in a low frequency component but this component is a result of two or more other signals. This means it differs from the classical diode capacitor extraction methode and we are only intrested at mixing signals in the higher bands. Mixing two or more high frequency signals can result in a low frequency beat. Remember what i told you about the two signals slightly out of phase... If one of the coils is tuned to the beat of the high frequency mixing, it will resonate. If your high frequency waves are also resonating with other magnetic waves this will add to the final result...
Sincerely,
SM
Tesla make the ball lightning with two T.T. slight out of phase.magnetic/electric energy is related to gravity!? If you make the ball lightning rotating?? see www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_20.htm
Quote from: sterlinga on March 19, 2008, 11:51:12 PM
Thanks for your participation and interest in today's interview.
Here our link to download today's interview with Jack Durban.
http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3 (http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2008/080319_JackDurban_MarksToroid.mp3)
(1:57 hr; 27 Mb)
I archived the list of questions we referenced/asked here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Archive:March_19%2C_2008_Questions_for_Jack_Durban (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Archive:March_19%2C_2008_Questions_for_Jack_Durban)
Here's a photo of Jack:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki.com%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe4%2FJack_Durban_jp70.jpg&hash=60419e02cdc0e2a2bceecd6fa21d0d1c1cfda22d)
I also linked to OverUnity.com (http://www.overunity.com/#msg83808) for some of the reviews of what we learned in today's interview.
And, again, here is the main account:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Jack_Durban's_experience_with_Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator)
I was able to lisent to the recording of the interview, the and it is clear to me that this person had another agenda for this interview, which was create a real bad aura over SM, people like this, do not have any morals, NO HONOR, especially is the other person his talking about is dead, (no one know if is true). But I lisent to almost two hours of bullSh** there was nothing technically sound in this interview, he evaded every single question, that was ask, but was eager from the begining of the interview to defame SM.
Please dont waste your time listening to this recording it is a insult to our intelligence, not to figure out that the intention was to create a bad aura, of some one that is not there to defend him self.
Sincerely,
TheStone.
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