Holcomb Energy Systems
https://www.newpowerprogress.com/news/holcomb-scientific-research-harnesses-electron-spin-to-deliver-power/8018093.article (https://www.newpowerprogress.com/news/holcomb-scientific-research-harnesses-electron-spin-to-deliver-power/8018093.article)
Mr Holcomb's patents https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb (https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vUIK1GZSduo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vUIK1GZSduo)
So it begins (How's it do what it do ...(edit) "What is the Gain mechanism " ??)
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Ps
Ellen Holcomb cofounder
Just posted new Vid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBa58s3QJE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBa58s3QJE)
Edit
PPS removed "where is energy coming from ( not my usual phrasing)
Replaced with above ( my usual question)
' Where is the energy coming from ? '
view point change :
' Where is the energy a. going on b. going in ? '
Volume / Weight
specific Volume / specific Weight
F.e. the weight from 1MWh electricity in Grams ,this Grams its Volume ?
Ramset
QuoteHolcomb Energy Systems
https://www.newpowerprogress.com/news/holcomb-scientific-research-harnesses-electron-spin-to-deliver-power/8018093.article
Interesting links, apparently they have 15 years of research and patents dating back to 2009. The people in the video's can even speak fluent english, act professional and sound credible which was a nice change. This is not some redneck operation and they seem to have professional media presentations, large facilities and apparently many units already in operation. On the surface they seem credible and must have some substantial investment in play.
The patents all appear to have similar geometry dating all the way back to 2009. However the explanations of the working principals have varied over time. I find it fascinating that 15 years ago they probably stumbled onto an anomaly but have yet to understand the exact mechanisms of how it works. They also follow the standard evolution of technology starting with motional and PM systems, then no PM moving coil and then stationary coil systems. The iron atom electron spin theory is obviously a non-starter which was probably borrowed from others patents to fill in the gaps. So it appears they have followed a pattern very similar to most other inventors.
QuoteHow's it do what it do ...Where is the energy coming from ?
As is generally the case most are chasing smoke and mirrors because they don't understand what energy is. Like Holcomb they would try to use a backwards approach. So we see an anomalous increase in current, attribute it to an increased magnetic field then imagine ways this could take place like resonance, NMR or iron electron spins. However similar devices had no iron cores and supposedly worked just as well so that theory is out the window. As is often the case someone saw an anomaly, jumped to the conclusion they wanted then worked the problem backwards. This is a variation of the false cause fallacy.
At the end of the day all that was really required was some coils of wire, some switches and an understanding of energy. That's the kicker, anyone who understands energy would not ask "where it comes from" they would ask "how it was transformed". This is true because everything is energy and it doesn't come from anywhere per say. Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed...
Regards
AC
Awesome news! The video on this page seems to explain it fairly well: http://www.koreaittimes.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=111470 (http://www.koreaittimes.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=111470)
The video from the site above: https://youtu.be/Nm1VJ65LcXM (https://youtu.be/Nm1VJ65LcXM)
Holcomb Energy Systems website: https://holcombenergysystems.com
Considering the current world situation let's hope we all live long enough to reap the benefits of this technology... It could obviously change everything for the better in a huge way.
This seems somewhat similar to Pierre's looped system as first mentioned here: https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/ (https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/)
GIVE IT ANOTHER SIX MONTH AND VAMOOOSHE GONE WITHOUT A TRACE,
SUCKED IN BY THE EVIL TRILLION QUADRILLION DOLLARS EVIL PETROL BLACK HOLE.
They have been in stealth mode for 15 years. I directly wrote to them although I assume they already know about how past inventions have disappeared I let them know how it often goes and suggested ways to get things going without being 'disappeared'.
Another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxBklaugpg
QuoteAnother video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxBklaugpg
What I thought is unique about there setup is how they integrated the technology into an AC motor topology. The AC motor outer stator is now the motionless rotor then they rewire the armature core as the stator. So there not reinventing the wheel simply rewiring a know commodity and adding specialized electronics. Smart setup...
Any bets on how long they will last?. It's one thing to do research but quite another to go public and start selling working technology. I hope they kick ass...
Regards
AC
From one of Holcomb's patents: - Tesla of course ;)
The Lenz losses, as noted above, are related to inductive coupling between the rotor standing poles and the stator induced poles. Concerning efforts to reduce reverse torque, Nikola Tesla published an article entitled "Notes on an Unipolar Dynamo", Nikola Tesla, The Electrical Engineer, N.Y. Sep. 2, 1891. Tesla reported on a modification of the Faraday Dynamo design. Tesla's design varied in two major ways:- [0019]
1. First, he used a magnet that was bigger in diameter than the disc, so that the magnet completely covered the disc. - [0020]
2. Second, he divided the disc into sections with spiral curves out from the center of the outside edge.
The Tesla modifications caused the current to make a full trip around the outside edge of the disc. Because the current is flowing in a large circle at the rim of the disc, the magnetic field created does not work against the field magnet. This modification eliminated a significant problem of electric power generation, i.e., the reaction to every action or, as is commonly called, reverse torque or back EMF.- [0021]
This design change and its effect on reverse torque was accomplished by geometric isolation of the standing pole from the induced pole of the machine. In the case of the present disclosure, the rotor is static, i.e., non-rotating, and, therefore, reverse torque is not an issue. The induced pole is induced by current flow which is generated by the standing pole. The induced pole is not responsible for current flow or power generation in the induced coils. This design change removes Lenz losses produced by the induced stator poles attracting and repelling polar coupling between the stator poles and the rotor poles. - [0022]
The solid state rotor of the present disclosure is virtually free of reverse torque due to four design changes when compared to conventional electric generators with rotating rotors: - [0023]
1. The rotor has no moving parts. - [0024]
2. The rotor does not rotate in the stator cavity. - [0025]
3. The magnetic poles rotate in proper frequency and sequence to generate the desired electric power output. - [0026]
4. The rotor can be used to retrofit any conventional generator—single-phase, two-phase, or three-phase.
Quote from: onepower on March 14, 2022, 04:32:41 PM
What I thought is unique about there setup is how they integrated the technology into an AC motor topology. The AC motor outer stator is now the motionless rotor then they rewire the armature core as the stator. So there not reinventing the wheel simply rewiring a know commodity and adding specialized electronics. Smart setup...
Any bets on how long they will last?. It's one thing to do research but quite another to go public and start selling working technology. I hope they kick ass...
Regards
AC
We agree on that! ;)
Holcomb Energy System verification report from dnv.com :
I wonder how much trouble they will have getting it UL approved in the US and CA approved in Canada?
I don't know anything about Canada's CA authority, but here in the US it's a major $$ hurdle and anyone trying to manufacture it will likely have 'difficulties'.
.
It has been stated on their site (or was it in one of their videos) that it has already been UL approved.
Some info from the summary of the DNV verification report:
"The HES efficiency derived from 3 test protocols was:
- 374.1% efficient
- 399.6% efficient
- 489.9% efficient
That is 4.899 units: of power output for every 1 unit of power input.
2. HES self-generating Capacity
The ability of the HES to output 4 times as much power as is required for its operation allows
a continuous self regeneration 'loop' of the entire system while the HES simultaneously
powers an electrical load."
Hey there all,
So we have a PhD, a Dr. that was working 15 years on this. OK. Peer review should be a known term to this guy. I want a proof of concept experiment, some theory, anything.As long as i cannot see any of this i call it BS.
Quote from: tsl on March 15, 2022, 02:07:00 PM
Hey there all,
So we have a PhD, a Dr. that was working 15 years on this. OK. Peer review should be a known term to this guy. I want a proof of concept experiment, some theory, anything.As long as i cannot see any of this i call it BS.
I really do understand where your coming from, i mean converting is not perpetual indeed.
Think of it this way, if we were to convert for instance the earths spin, we can do that by simply converting the earths spin so it will make the device look perpetual but is not, if were to convert more from the earth well the device will spin thanks to the earth and also do work just like the earth by converting the work from the earth but is not perpetual.
I do know this can or could work, but it needs alot of knowledge to see it through and needs much more explanation from what i said but it should be easy enough that converting the earths motion for one could work indeed.
What i am pointing out is that if the earth spins and rotates and you somehow know how to tap to convert that motion, it will work seem perpetual but no, friction will not stop it because it has that !00% friction less somewhere else in the process, so the idea is to fully convert the earths processes to give you a device that will spin and do work just like the earth ok, this can be done seem perpetual but the explation is the earths processes as to how to tap it with converting techniques, with current knowledge well it would be tricky and you need to be educated.
Thankfully the knowledge of Spintronics or the topic Spintronics can help you understand > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spintronics
If you want to buy it or not what i said, the process of taping in to convert the potential is not impossible though.
Cadman
QuoteI wonder how much trouble they will have getting it UL approved in the US and CA approved in Canada?
I don't know anything about Canada's CA authority, but here in the US it's a major $$ hurdle and anyone trying to manufacture it will likely have 'difficulties'.
There are a few easy solutions such as integrating known technology. The regulations revolve around the notion of doing no harm through proven concepts and technology.
For example you cannot just hook up any generator to the grid however you can tie one in through an approved grid tie device. It monitors under/over voltage, over current, phase angle and frequency to ensure it's safe. In most cases they could care less what the source of energy is so long as it is applied through an approve device *wink wink*.
So the breakers, grid tie device and transfer switch are mandatory but the source could be anything...
Regards
AC
Quote from: e2matrix on March 14, 2022, 05:30:51 PM
We agree on that! ;)
Holcomb Energy System verification report from dnv.com :
I just read the linked report. I was seeing red flags throughout.
For starters, no instruments were used to measure phase angle. Also, there was an "efficiency" calculation made based on how little the input power changed when the output was loaded, as if the unloaded input power was irrelevant.
The battery/cap bank 6 hr run time test with no Vdrop when looped was interesting, but any witness that would agree to AC power calculations using only V and I with no regard for phase angle probably did not fully understand what was or was not disconnected during that portion of the test (other than what he was told by HES).
It would be wonderful if true, but I will add a degree of caution to my optimism...
PW
Hello
could it be this system?
Greeting
Lota
pierre Cotnoir dz generator part 3 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn49fDHCHdo)
Where is the Gain (from energy,the mechanism):
IHS Torricelli,mentor from IHS Galileo Galilei,his ouvre
Puy de Dome,massive central France, theory about ' vaccuo'
by Blaise Pascal ; theory before experiment : correlation ? New definition ?
Magdeburg/today BR Deutschland Otto von Guericke demonstrations
' vaccuo' and the intertemporal and interlocation need ,
prae-/suf-/fix :
a et ab,de ,ex,e,in,cum et sine ,pro et prae !
RAUM und ZEIT DIS-/KONTINUUM
1 ( editoring : upps, :P : quantmeter ,wrong dimension cause this only the first,clearly: ) cubic-quantmeter=3 D space volume Universum its weght,by given volume : its energy content ?
Peczo ( pedir,1 pers. Sg.,Ind,Presence,Portuguese lusophonico) por me desculpar,s'il vous plait,a votre plaisir !
cz ~ c + cedilhe
Language and MATEMATICA ( all science facultas including) with base and tect ,living speech
Where are the Anglistik notes,the accentuation= intonation above and below letters in daily use ,excluding 'applied ARTS' ?
Making difference between hand-writing and machine-writing ,the soul ornament ! The feels icons,the emojs !
Does anyone understand this technology well enough to explain it ?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190238011A1/en?oq=20190238011
This is the patent that is more relevant to what is shown.
WO2021063522A1 A unique method of harnessing energy from the magnetic domains found in ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on March 16, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
This is the patent that is more relevant to what is shown.
WO2021063522A1 A unique method of harnessing energy from the magnetic domains found in ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1 (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1)
He "discovered" that weak magnetic field is amplified by ferromagnetic material ::)
Principle used in every transformer or electrical motor.
Basically, what I see on his videos are stators of electrical 3 phase motors and in place of squirrel cage rotor he put a coils on magnetic core.
He uses rotating magnetic field generated by 3 phase motor stator to induce electric current in stationary coil on the wound core.
Rotating field transformer isn't something new.
Cheers,
Pix
Since 1995 I do espacenet R&D,beside original patent and offered e-document clearly also cited and citing documents analyzing ,to see the technical standart and/or " open source" free " claims"applications use !
#17,18 : the given patents from google :
similar documents lists !
A Johnsmith probably would think,after research : ;) AHA,take me on / take on me ! ;D
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on March 16, 2022, 03:05:15 PM
A Johnsmith probably would think,after research : ;) AHA,take me on / take on me ! ;D
wmbr
OCWL
That's stuck in my head now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Quote from: pix on March 16, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
He "discovered" that weak magnetic field is amplified by ferromagnetic material ::)
...
That threw me off as well. I hope this is real and hope that explanation was dumbed-down way too much for the layman. I thought his electron spin idea was interesting until he says that it's based on metal creating a better magnetic field than plastic.
PERMANENT MAGNET IS INVOLVED IN THE CENTER CORE BUT NOT DISCLOSED.
Quote from: seychelles on March 17, 2022, 04:22:57 AM
PERMANENT MAGNET IS INVOLVED IN THE CENTER CORE BUT NOT DISCLOSED.
Magnet : ~ Tamagochii https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi) WHAT IS LIFE ? The MINIMUM ,strange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0Mm6WIcYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0Mm6WIcYs)
EINS SEIN WITH YOU ?
Entering Police Department : "A permanent magnet is :( stalking me ! "
Police agent : " ??? ,You are not the first ! :-\ It is becoming PANDEMICAL,I think so ! ??? "
How long ? per manere ? For staendig ,for ever, let us hope "anstaendig,polite" !
"For ever" : Arpad Boday shorts this "ever" to circa 1000 years ! Fine,not to long ! Fine R&D-er ::)
Tschau
OCWL
Quote from: seychelles on March 17, 2022, 04:22:57 AM
PERMANENT MAGNET IS INVOLVED IN THE CENTER CORE BUT NOT DISCLOSED.
What would be a reason for that PM?
He has there regular stator from 3 phase motor that is creating rotating magnetic field.
Then inside he puts anchored iron core with peculiar windings.
Rotating field transformer, nothing new here.
The only way I could see a gain is utilising a nonlinear part of magnetisation curve of iron core, not saturation part. As he "discovers" ::) in his patent : "weak magnetic field generated by coil aligns domains in ferromagnetic material and resultant magnetic field is greatly amplified".[/size]
Wow!
What a discovery ::)
Flyback converters, boost converters, Joule Tchief are already doing this.
The only difference-he is utilising regular 3 phase motor body.
Cheers,
Pix
He uses rotating magnetic field generated by 3 phase motor stator to induce electric current in stationary coil on the wound core.
Rotating field transformer isn't something new.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=martin+hauck&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=martin+hauck&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
A permanent magnetic rotating field transformer/translator ?
" magnetic film " time document ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=40&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19960808&CC=DE&NR=19500694A1&KC=A1#
medicine : body magnetics
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=61&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19930715&CC=DE&NR=4143311A1&KC=A1#
to ring -rotating- cycle :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=64&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900816&CC=DE&NR=3939081A1&KC=A1#
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=65&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910411&CC=DE&NR=3928644A1&KC=A1#
science + fiction or science reality
wmbr
OCWL
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=28&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990708&CC=DE&NR=19737047A1&KC=A1#
Quote from: lancaIV on March 17, 2022, 04:36:50 AM
Magnet : ~ Tamagochii https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi) WHAT IS LIFE ? The MINIMUM ,strange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0Mm6WIcYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0Mm6WIcYs)
EINS SEIN WITH YOU ?
Entering Police Department : "A permanent magnet is :( stalking me ! "
Police agent : " ??? ,You are not the first ! :-\ It is becoming PANDEMICAL,I think so ! ??? "
How long ? per manere ? For staendig ,for ever, let us hope "anstaendig,polite" !
"For ever" : Arpad Boday shorts this "ever" to circa 1000 years ! Fine,not to long ! Fine R&D-er ::)
Tschau
OCWL
I don't know what kind of powder you are sniffing, but must be a good one ;D
Can you share contact for your dealer?
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on March 17, 2022, 05:26:22 AM
I don't know what kind of powder you are sniffing, but must be a good one ;D
Can you share contact for your dealer?
Cheers,
Pix
Special Ones : Angel Dust ;)
Dark Matter ;)
Tschau,Tschau
OCWL :)
p.s.: related Arpad Boday
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19970921&CC=CA&NR=2172240A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19970921&CC=CA&NR=2172240A1&KC=A1#)
The "description" is horrible - given -, I recommend to read and analyze the "original document" sides !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=CA&NR=2172240A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19970921&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=CA&NR=2172240A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19970921&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
With paper and pencil [different colo(u)rs pencils] ,beside !
And using ,not fictional,real paper and real pencils ,STIFTE(stencils) ,pluralis : farbig !
or 1,singularis,with many :
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aUwAAOSwXAFdtVlM/s-l300.jpg (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aUwAAOSwXAFdtVlM/s-l300.jpg)
https://static.kaim-bringts.de/media/catalog/product/cache/9/image/250x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/4/0/4014519014461_1.jpg (https://static.kaim-bringts.de/media/catalog/product/cache/9/image/250x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/4/0/4014519014461_1.jpg)
Or becoming " Multi-Colo(U)R USER",YOUR OWN BRAIN COLOURING ,colour = PRIORITY CLASS definition !
Here in the forum is to much BlaBlaBla, in written form,without real R&D behind,by analytical work and real experiments in tech office !
MAUL-/SCHREIB-HELDEN ! Erfolgs-Arme !
Pix : solar plexus ,para-sympaticus sympaticus and complet(t)ing :
e(m)-paticus https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Empathie?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Empathie?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
and applying 24/365 : ever in all things and matter,not only humans
ALLES HAT SEELE,was sich bewegt ,>< 0° Kelvin
YOU,Pix,DO NOT,visible - living emphaizeable- taking and giving : without barrier/frontiers !
You write a.pix b.Pix : why the difference,do YOU know : WHY ?
p (https://overunity.com/profile/pix.6551/)ix (https://overunity.com/profile/pix.6551/) entered : 2007 as Newbie now,2022: Sr. Member
Cheers, Pix
(Be-)Cause from Newbie(Junior) now Senior membership ? ;D pP
Like chet, probably it would be an help : R.A.M.-set and R.O.M.-set combination,and using !
Before doing ,"outing/writting" ,conversation with wrong REQUIREMENTS !
"ROHRKREPIERER"-risc !
SIMPLE MIND(s)
#24 "Tamagotchi" ITS OPERATION,with rechargeable battery/capacitor,life-time in years,decades,...
The Tamagotchi "processor" as permanent electric/electret/magnet/magnetret generator " Laplacesche Daemon Operator" ,chance/risc ?
Isaak Asimov ' robotics laws' : by 0/1 condition,by -1/0/1 condition : self-organizing ,
BY ≤ -1/-1/0/1/≥ 1 conditioning !?
WHAT DEMANDS IN IT ? WHO DEMANDS IN IT ?
SIMPLE QUESTIONS !?
SIMPLE ANSWER : ......... !
By FATHER + MOTHER NATURE EMPATHY
" ...... Do n(o)t ( You) forget about me ..... "
REMANESCENCA
Tit For Tat ,Bio-/Nature Analytics
Some have "pets" at home ,un-/wished,non/buyed/ :
dogs,cats,mices(japonese dance mouse),rats(punky!) , birds,terrarium anima-ls,aquarium anima-ls,.....
Screen saver neuronal anima-ls
In our individual human "body-home" the micro-cosmos : bacilles,viro-..., Mikro-Lebewesen/Kreaturen
How much % ,or in Kg,from each human,animal,plant body without the Geruest/Statik/Skelett "soft core" part making ?
How do we treat them ? How do they treat US,the individual ' ME" ?
The " perpetuum"+ " mobile" artificial : how many from above animals their anima/BEING we do not/want ?
LIFE and TRANS-/FORMATION : con-/struction and de-/struction
Drinking : " pipi" Eating: " koko" Breathing : CO2,CH4,...... TRANS-/AS-PIRATION: snoring,halitosis,body odor
Uterus,"Fruchtwasser" :
baby ? : " Fruchtwasser ? kloake ! Anti-Genfer Konvention ABCD...- tools Inneneinrichtung !" Zum TOTZEN !
NO ! The Tamagotchi does not "pipi,koko,gas emission,......" forming like real humans and animals do !
Plants ? Fungi ? FERMENTATION ! Degradation,interchange !?
Aesthetik and STERILITY ?!
EVER YOUNG,the mind - the body - the soul ( the battle scar,folds and wrinkles )
OMG,NOW - at last- fully ripe : for the 'box,coffin,insane institute,..." !
Dante Aligheri !
To " Living al(l)egro" ,com toda a alegria im-/possibile : mind language and mind 2 reality : sans frontier/s
Dark Matter ? " MS-DOS or COBOL ..." from the Universum !? Licence free to use ,by " .... " ,Not the TM-version !
Informatics-question : an -1/0/1 AI neuronal/Notoric and motoral/Motoric free system in an EPROM installed :Storage capacity need ? Steady ? Growing capacity demands ?
PC-Virus,'Trojaner' analysis and experience !? M.I.T. Media LAB !?
Living Numbers ,Living Letters
Humans and
Mon Key ,Monkey,3/4 temple monkies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproduction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproduction) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_psychology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_psychology)
Monkeies
"Sea Monkeies" ,Urzeittierchen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-Monkeys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-Monkeys)
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/medien/yps-ist-wieder-da-das-desaster-mit-den-urzeitkrebsen/7280888.html (https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/medien/yps-ist-wieder-da-das-desaster-mit-den-urzeitkrebsen/7280888.html)
Dirac/Moray "Sea-Monkies" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea)
Vater-/Mutter-Tier/Zwitter father-/mother- animal/hermaphrodite
Ei-Keim/Sperma-Keim GROESSE ?! Egg germ/sperm germ
SIZE ?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea#/media/File:Dirac_sea.svg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea#/media/File:Dirac_sea.svg)
Dirac sea for a massive particle. • particles, • antiparticles
Dirac sea + "no particles" = a. will be b. was "format"
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19580826&CC=US&NR=2848748A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19580826&CC=US&NR=2848748A&KC=A#)
https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/gesellschaft/panorama/hiroshima-ein-opfer-bricht-sein-schweigen/1897420.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/gesellschaft/panorama/hiroshima-ein-opfer-bricht-sein-schweigen/1897420.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
to be or "not to be"
Un-/Certainty
Re-/Search tool (sub-)quanto-scopie
Kind of powder ? Selbst-beantwortend,oder nicht ? ;D sub-plasmon
= formon ;)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontemplation (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontemplation) see and be seen
hear and be heared
...... ................
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesen_(Philosophie (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesen_(Philosophie))
ANTI-GOTT/ . /GOTT
GOTT IST MUTTER,GOTT IST VATER,GOTT IST TOCHTER,GOTT IST SOHN,GOTT IST ALLES ,GOTT IST ] [ , GOTT IST { },GOTT IST SYNTAX
DU BIST ERROR (?)
GOTT IST
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Seems there may be some "New" theories about this operating principle ?
Some written here ( in topic ) https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98034;topicseen#msg98034 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98034;topicseen#msg98034)
Others being discussed between builders and researchers
Unrelated to those "New theories",
I have read a suggestion here ( this thread) on Pierre device ...however.. as mentioned prior ( in his thread's here )
A few who worked for years on Pierre device had no success ( except sore fingers from fabrication..and hair loss from ripping it out between changes and build upgrades....
Maybe a few head bruises from wall banging .... (all the times it failed to work as advertised )
I will ask Pierre builders that I am aware of ...again ...as it seems another video from a Pierre replicator (or himself ?)
Has been posted few months back ?
Also Will try to get a moderated builders board going on this H.E.S....so more focused discussion can take place !
and persons (possible replicators and vetting sleuths) don't have to read or listen or view so much unrelated info !
No stone left unturned!
*Member F6FLT collating H.E.S Data here ( also asking questions to community?
http://exvacuo.free.fr/Sciences/NewEnergy/Holcomb/ (http://exvacuo.free.fr/Sciences/NewEnergy/Holcomb/)
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Yes discussion towards all possibilities (vetting too)
PPS
The open source community has enormous resources,not the least of which
are qualified people ..with vast and varied education and experience, and now more than ever, the time is right
For change !
https://www.expertmarketresearch.com/reports/microwave-devices-market (https://www.expertmarketresearch.com/reports/microwave-devices-market)
The growth of the global microwave devices market is driven by rising military & defense expenditure, growing need for secure and fast communications, and rising demand for microwave devices in patient monitoring. The rising penetration of 5G and IoT infrastructure, miniaturization of devices, soaring need for effective and non-radioactive patient treatments, and technological breakthroughs in microwave equipment pertaining to the materials used is expected to attract lucrative opportunities for market.
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Dearest screaming fisherman , yes I know you have great zeal for this cause ( most here do)
Perhaps some offers or gratuities could be done via PM ?
—///
Here Jimboot posted a patent ( not necessarily solid State)
From last year
https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331)
Others are studying all relevant patents and applications from claimant,
Which were Posted here and elsewhere !
Comments also here https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98108;topicseen#msg98108 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98108;topicseen#msg98108)
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Please try to keep thread on topic
It is ok if topic sits while investigation continues
No need to fill with ??
Trying not to have to move to moderated board
However if a build is started, it will go to a dedicated builders board
Quote from: ramset on March 20, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Please try to keep thread on topic
I'm glad to see your concern but you might start by giving the poster of #30 above a Yellow Card for advertising and delete the message.
Quote from: Paul-R on March 20, 2022, 07:23:00 PM
I'm glad to see your concern but you might start by giving the poster of #30 above a Yellow Card for advertising and delete the message.
From a "silly Ire "? shiraellis (https://overunity.com/profile/shiraellis.108516/) ,retro reading,
the advertise "information content " I would couple with http://padrak.com/vesperman/ (http://padrak.com/vesperman/) !
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Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world :
# 17,18,19 : related "Weiss-sche Domaene" ,Domaene~ Bezirk
https://www-magnet--shop-net.translate.goog/lexikon/weisssche-bezirke?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-magnet--shop-net.translate.goog/lexikon/weisssche-bezirke?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
direct R&D relationship :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=UNIV+OKAYAMA+NAT+UNIV+CORP&IN=naoshi+ikeda&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=UNIV+OKAYAMA+NAT+UNIV+CORP&IN=naoshi+ikeda&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
and Astro-/hyper-physics "black/white wormhole" (A.Einstein,Stefan-Boltzmann) referring
https://www-futurezone-de.translate.goog/science/article229657042/im-kampf-zwischen-wurmloch-und-schwarzem-loch-das-ist-der-gewinner.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-futurezone-de.translate.goog/science/article229657042/im-kampf-zwischen-wurmloch-und-schwarzem-loch-das-ist-der-gewinner.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
and MICRO-/NANO-Cosmos (channel,tube; later toroid/donut :
Kekulé DREAM https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/4a23fa0d-b836-463c-ac93-4af8dd753795/mcontent.jpg (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/4a23fa0d-b836-463c-ac93-4af8dd753795/mcontent.jpg) )
https://www.chf.de/benzolring/benzolring201501.pdf (https://www.chf.de/benzolring/benzolring201501.pdf)
"Let's learn to dream, gentlemen, then find we maybe the truth, but let us beware of our dreams publish before they through the alert mind has been tested are!"
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=magnetic+diode (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=magnetic+diode)
https://physicsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Magnetic-diode-635x345.png (https://physicsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Magnetic-diode-635x345.png)
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: ramset on March 20, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Dearest screaming fisherman , yes I know you have great zeal for this cause ( most here do)
Perhaps some offers or gratuities could be done via PM ?
—///
Here Jimboot posted a patent ( not necessarily solid State)
From last year
https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331)
Others are studying all relevant patents and applications from claimant,
Which were Posted here and elsewhere !
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Hello , chet and re-/searcher,some inputs :
Relevant :
german inventor/applicant Wolfgang Hagedorn
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
to https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/11196331) a synonym/synchron idea/concept to refind DE3804440
also special attention :
DE8901215
"a real physiologic ( ~ resonance point selforganizing) dynamo" :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19960411&CC=DE&NR=4434834A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19960411&CC=DE&NR=4434834A1&KC=A1#)
with perfect motor and perfect generator a perfect Eta/C.O.P. > 1 : ROTOVERTER or rotative transformer/converter
FREE ENERGY CONVERTER with Eta > 1
https://www.chemie.de/lexikon/Wirkungsgrad.html (https://www.chemie.de/lexikon/Wirkungsgrad.html)
https://www.chemeurope.com/en/encyclopedia/Energy_conversion_efficiency.html (https://www.chemeurope.com/en/encyclopedia/Energy_conversion_efficiency.html)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Eta?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Eta?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Success "in dreaming" and realizing wishing
OCWL
all things : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate) R&D 8)
WHE :-* ENTER´TAINMENT
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments also here https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98108;topicseen#msg98108 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98108;topicseen#msg98108)Respectfully Chet K
Ps
Please try to keep thread on topic
It is ok if topic sits while investigation continues
No need to fill with ??
Trying not to have to move to moderated board
However if a build is started, it will go to a dedicated builders board
#30 : OMG in Mundart/-Dichtung/-Lyric G~ IoT ergo OMIoT (: " O mei Ijodt,mei Jeses,mei Alles " ) o solo mio
OMI :)
Found this online from couple of years ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/)
Be careful. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is...
Quote from: pmgr on March 21, 2022, 02:58:58 AM
Found this online from couple of years ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/)
Be careful. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is...
I told you guys.
This is just regular 3 phase motor stator ,inside that guy inserted ferromagnetic core with windings. Typical rotating Field transformer. No OU herę. And what makes me laugh is his patent statement that he "Discovers" that a weak magnetic Field is amplified by ferromagnetic materiał 🙂. Cheers, Pix
Really? You think Reddit is proof of a scam? Maybe you didn't read far enough in that Reddit thread... From one poster in that thread:
"Ahh, someone else bored and wanting to cause trouble. When you're on track to succeed and do something that can benefit large numbers of people who need it, the detractors and bottom-feeders come crawling out of the muck.[/font][/size]If this were a legitimate issue, the original question would not have been posted on reddit, but somewhere with some credibility. Seriously??[/font][/color]
Let me tell you something, trolls. I have known Dr. Holcomb for nearly 50 years. Much longer than anyone here, I'd say, certainly longer than those of you spewing this jealousy-covered garbage. I have watched him dedicate his entire adult life to serving/healing others, frequently at great risk to himself. I was there when he created the MagnaBloc, and have personally benefited greatly from what it can do. When you create something that good, there are always others lined up to take it from you (private individuals, not the company Amway). I've watched him spend countless sleepless hours developing and perfecting the technology that has gone into this generator. I have never in my life met a more selfless individual. You, however, seem more concerned about speculating and slinging mud at a good man who is trying to help people, than getting up off your worthless hides and doing something to leave the world a better place than you found it.[/font][/color]
I don't know all the reasons for the things that he and Holcomb Scientific Research do. I don't care. I am not the science/business mind here. I don't have to know all the inner workings of this project to know that it's a good thing. Just as I don't understand all the reasons for why my mechanic does what he does, but I don't have to know. It's none of my business. All I have to do is trust that my car gets fixed. I don't care if HSR operates out of tent in the middle of the jungle, as if that mattered. If you were as sharp as you pretend to be, you would understand that. As an investor in HSR myself, I had enough sense to understand there are risks in any investment, trust the people behind this (and there are many), and chose to go ahead.[/font][/color]
I don't know who said this, but it is applicable here - "It is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Some of you should have kept your mouth shut. Have a nice day."[/font][/color]
Lanca
As you may be aware ..there are builders at all skill levels here !(and diverse languages etc)
Here we hunt for just one anomaly
Instead of posting unproven hunches ( many patents with no ...meat/understanding with the potatoes) or intimating unknown knowledge ( you possess or ?)
One paragraph will suffice, well written and to the point ( no I cannot write this !:(
What is your preferred language ( origin)
Would you engage with professor of similar origin
To write the paragraph?
No need for song or dance
The world has no more time for fiddling....
Billions of persons without such luxury !!
Please ?
This is an offer to cut to the chase and waste no more time !
Respectfully
Chet K
e2matrix
Quote"Ahh, someone else bored and wanting to cause trouble. When you're on track to succeed and do something that can benefit large numbers of people who need it, the detractors and bottom-feeders come crawling out of the muck.
Indeed, many seem to have an interest in distracting or taking away from any conversation on FE technology.
I find it strange that almost nobody even wants to take a crack at explaining how it could work. Isn't that what this forum is all about?, having a rational debate about how it could work so we can learn and move forward?...
AC
I have read through the main patent (actually most of them are very similar).
There is nothing in there that explains how it works. It's got some Tesla references in it, but no real physics explanation of where the energy is coming from and how it is accessed. It looks like it is all guess work. Actually, this thing looks very much like Pierre Cotnoir's device. That one appeared to work from his videos, but also no real explanation of how it works, just guesses. After the original was burned out, no one has been able to replicate it, not even Pierre himself.
You might as well check these guys out:
https://triadlimited.com/
At least they state they don't know how it works, but it just works.
Quote from: pmgr on March 21, 2022, 04:49:04 PM
I have read through the main patent (actually most of them are very similar).
There is nothing in there that explains how it works. It's got some Tesla references in it, but no real physics explanation of where the energy is coming from and how it is accessed. It looks like it is all guess work. Actually, this thing looks very much like Pierre Cotnoir's device. That one appeared to work from his videos, but also no real explanation of how it works, just guesses. After the original was burned out, no one has been able to replicate it, not even Pierre himself.
You might as well check these guys out:
https://triadlimited.com/ (https://triadlimited.com/)
At least they state they don't know how it works, but it just works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation) ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations)
Caution : Maxwell/Lorentz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Maxwell%27s_equations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Maxwell%27s_equations)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Physikalische_Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Physikalische_Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Internationales_Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fensystem?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Internationales_Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fensystem?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
e= mc² f.e. A.Einstein-M. Maric https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/lrk-hand-emc2expl.html (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/lrk-hand-emc2expl.html)
e=tc² Nikola Tesla
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A#)
A good question of this system is how a particle such as a photon traveling at the speed of light could be further accelerated as it passed through this crystal. The answer to that question could be that the crystal accelerator provides an energy gain from its strong nuclear forces to the particles which shows up as an increase of their effective mass. Another answer is that the energy law E=Mc@2 is changed when radiant energy units are subjected to certain forces such as the nuclear forces in the crystal. The speed of light is no longer limited and it conforms to the new equation E=McX. The value of X in the crystal approaches 3.times.10@20 meters per second.
Tesla : RADIANT ENERGY !
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Fundamentale_Wechselwirkung?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Fundamentale_Wechselwirkung?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
INTELLIGENZ-basierte Wechselwirkung ,instinktiv/inductiv(extern suggestiv= manipuliert)
http://padrak.com/vesperman/ (http://padrak.com/vesperman/) 1G,2G,3G,....... wifi emission/reception
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=flanagan+neurophone (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=flanagan+neurophone) wifi emission/reception
anima/-ls wifi emission/reception 8) ::) ;)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=planet+of+the+apes (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=planet+of+the+apes) ;D
https://www.forschung-und-wissen.de/nachrichten/psychologie/ (https://www.forschung-und-wissen.de/nachrichten/psychologie/)
Das Wort
Psychologie stammt vom griechischem Wort
psyché ab, was übersetzt "Seele" bedeutet.
https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/warum-ist-der-mensch-intelligenter-als-der-schimpanse (https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/warum-ist-der-mensch-intelligenter-als-der-schimpanse)
Anti-These : warum-ist-der-schimpanse-intelligenter-als-der-mensch
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drei_Affen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drei_Affen)
"Mensch"-TV wifi frei Haus !
ZOO : vor/hinter Gitter ::) Un-/frei,Kost+Logis
https://media.dav-medien.de/sample/9783777628486_p.pdf (https://media.dav-medien.de/sample/9783777628486_p.pdf)
Ob diese unterschiedlichen Vorlieben der Singdros-
seln von den Elterntieren beeinflusst oder einem individuellen
Suchbildmuster geschuldet sind, bleibt offen. Fest steht hingegen,
dass ihre Amboss-Technik überall die gleiche ist.
Gleiche "Schulbildung" 8) : sendero/antenna luminoso/radiante/emissione wifi/TELE (VISION/AUDION/SENTION/-PATH)
Tesla explains a thing or two.
Read this article first:
https://teslaresearch.jimdofree.com/articles-interviews/notes-on-a-unipolar-dynamo-the-electrical-engineer-sept-2-1891/ (https://teslaresearch.jimdofree.com/articles-interviews/notes-on-a-unipolar-dynamo-the-electrical-engineer-sept-2-1891/)
Tesla talks about how to change Faraday's homopolar generator such that the currents that are generated in the disc will re-inforce the magnetic field of the external magnet.
He even says
"From this we see that the eddy currents flowing in the disc partly energize the field, and for this reason when the field current is interrupted the currents in the disc will continue to flow, and the field magnet will lose its strength with comparative slowness and may even retain a certain strength as long as the rotation of the disc is continued."
In other words, you could have a self-sustaining rotating disc if the current generated is used to turn the disc. The rotating disc then generates a current which produces sufficient magnetic field to sustain itself (no external magnets needed). This is probably the same principle upon which everything in the universe rotates as well (self-sustaining).
Then read this patent https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/67/d4/82/571078104931ec/US20190393765A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/67/d4/82/571078104931ec/US20190393765A1.pdf) section 19, excerpted below:
[ 0019 ] In conventional generators , as noted above , the rotor is stationed inside the coil loops of the stator . There fore , the rotor generates a current which in turn generates a magnetic field which is equal in force and opposite in polarity , hence reverse torque is a product of the design . The Lenz losses are related to inductive coupling between the rotor standing poles and the stator induced poles . Concerning efforts to reduce reverse torque , Nikola Tesla published an article entitled " Notes on an Unipolar Dynamo " , Nikola Tesla , The Electrical Engineer , N.Y. Sep. 2 , 1891. Tesla reported upon a modification of the Faraday Dynamo design . The design varied in two major ways :
[ 0020 ] 1. First , he used a magnet that was bigger in diameter than the disc , so that the magnet completely covered the disc .
[ 0021 ] 2. Second , he divided the disc into sections with spiral curves out from the center of the outside edge .
[ 0022 ] The Tesla modification caused the current to make a full trip around the outside edge of the disc . Because the current is flowing in a large circle at the rim of the disc , the magnetic field created does not work against the inducing / standing pole . This modification eliminated a significant problem of electric power generation , i.e. , the reaction to every action or , as is commonly called , reverse torque or back EMF .
Looks like a pretty simple principle to get rid of BEMF (invented by Tesla).
To be continued...
I mentioned this elsewhere and it may be relevant as to why it works:
"I wonder if they are using Metglas cores since they mention "electrical steel". Metglas is what Tom Bearden used in his "MEG" that claimed an overunity of five. See this site: https://metglas.com/distribution-transformer-electrical-steel/ (https://metglas.com/distribution-transformer-electrical-steel/) "
@pmgr
All true , but how this would apply for Holcomb?
Tesla did modified homopolar generator, where you have stationary magnetic field and rotating disc.
The only thing Tesla did was enlarging stationary magnet to cover whole rotating disc ( better efficiency) and cut disc into sections , avoiding circular currents because the only current path we are looking is fron disc centre outwards. Tesla was perfectionist.
In Holcomb we have rotating magnetic field ( from 3 phase motor armature)and some exotic explanations regarding unpaired electrons inside ferromagnetic material.
What striked me most is his "discovery" that ferromagnetic material amplifies weak magnetic field acting upon it.
Primary school pupil is teached about it.
This rings a warning bell in my head about Holcomb.
Cheers,
Pix
Please read the attached European patent application from 2019 which on page 8 describes the mechanism for the excess energy.
The summary of it is as follows:
He uses rotor coils to align the magnetic domains inside of the electrical steel and he says that the energy required to do this is little. The generated magnetic flux from the aligned domains is however much stronger (and carries much more energy) than what was required to polarize the magnetic domains into the right orientation (e.g. a north or a south pole).
The stator then converts this strong magnetic flux into a voltage/current that can be used to power a load and part of the stator output can be fed back to the rotor driving electronics to provide the little energy that was required to align the magnetic domains to either a north or south pole.
So basically he is saying, he is magnetizing electrical steel to form a north or south pole and this north/south pole, once formed, can provide more magnetic flux than the flux of the current that was required to align the magnetic domains.
Any physicists that can shed some light on whether this is possible? From everything I know, it takes energy to magnetize a piece of steel and to demagnetize it or flip the magnetic domains in the other direction. I have never seen a piece of steel being magnetized and the magnetic strength being larger than the magnetic field that was generated by the current that magnetized the steel.
And if this were really the case, why don't we see this with a regular transformer? Also, there should still be BEMF from the stator coils working back onto the rotor coils, just like in a transformer. Maybe after the rotor current is switched off, the steel will remain magnetized for a short period of time, but the BEMF from the stator coils would oppose that magnetization and try to flip the magnetic domains in the other direction.
Please post your thoughts...
Quote from: pmgr on March 23, 2022, 03:38:09 AM
So basically he is saying, he is magnetizing electrical steel to form a north or south pole and this north/south pole, once formed, can provide more magnetic flux than the flux of the current that was required to align the magnetic domains.
Any physicists that can shed some light on whether this is possible? From everything I know, it takes energy to magnetize a piece of steel and to demagnetize it or flip the magnetic domains in the other direction. I have never seen a piece of steel being magnetized and the magnetic strength being larger than the magnetic field that was generated by the current that magnetized the steel.
And if this were really the case, why don't we see this with a regular transformer? Also, there should still be BEMF from the stator coils working back onto the rotor coils, just like in a transformer. Maybe after the rotor current is switched off, the steel will remain magnetized for a short period of time, but the BEMF from the stator coils would oppose that magnetization and try to flip the magnetic domains in the other direction.
::) ?
Those kind of things you should hear in primary and secondary school at physics lessons.
1. It is well known that ferromagnetic materials greatly amplify magnetic field acting upon them. It is called magnetic relative permeability. Please see attached magnetising curve of soft ferromagnetic material.
2. As you could see on this graph, first part of it, vertical is nonlinear and a weak external magnetic field 0.1-0.2mT creates a strong response inside ferromagnetic material 1000-1500mT. Further to the right magnetization line is going more horizontal- this is called "saturation" area. Increase of external magnetic field causes less amplified response from the ferromagnetic material. This "saturation" region is a place where common transformer works.
3.Relative Permeability of certain magnetic material gives you amplification of applied external magnetic field. For example for an iron core it is 200, for a permalloy it is 8000, for mumetal it is 20000.
4. Magnetic field amplification by ferromagnetic materials , or "gain" is widely utilised everywhere: in electromagnetic solenoids, in Current Transformers, in Flyback and Boost converters ect.
So, my friend. Holcomb didn't invent anything new. This is a basic physics knowledge at least from a two centuries.
Ferromagnetism (gsu.edu) (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Solids/ferro.html)
Magnetic Properties of Solids (gsu.edu) (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Tables/magprop.html#c2)
Cheers,
pix
No, Holcomb didn't invent magnetic field gain. If he's for real then what he has invented is a way to utilize the magnetic gain without reflecting the load back to the primary windings.
I've spent this last winter experimenting with gain from magnetic flux. I can tell you this much, gain can be had by avoiding counter emf (Lenz) produced by secondary windings during the magnetization phase of the core primary windings. Ordinary transformers and ordinary generators do not do this.
Cadman
Quote from: Cadman on March 23, 2022, 10:05:26 AM
No, Holcomb didn't invent magnetic field gain. If he's for real then what he has invented is a way to utilize the magnetic gain without reflecting the load back to the primary windings.
I've spent this last winter experimenting with gain from magnetic flux. I can tell you this much, gain can be had by avoiding counter emf (Lenz) produced by secondary windings during the magnetization phase of the core primary windings. Ordinary transformers and ordinary generators do not do this.
Cadman
Who is saying that transformers or generators are doing this?
Flyback converter is doing this.
Boost converter is doing this.
Joule Tchief is doing this .
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
Who is saying that transformers or generators are doing this?
Flyback converter is doing this.
Boost converter is doing this.
Joule Tchief is doing this .
Cheers,
Pix
Pix compared Cadman
Flyback,Boost,Joule thief machine versus ordinary/conventional,standart machine
% sell quote from all converters % sell quote from all converters
Newbie versus professional technical standart,industrial and or lab R&D view and meaning !?
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
Who is saying that transformers or generators are doing this?
I said ordinary transformers or generators
are not doing this
QuoteFlyback converter is doing this.
Boost converter is doing this.
Joule Tchief is doing this .
Cheers,
Pix
Are they? Completely? Think carefully before answering.
And while you think about it, ask yourself if this was really the most salient point in my previous post.
Cheers to you too.
Cadman,does He not shake the " principles of thermodynamic building " to write about
" energy is ..... "
" energy is not ..... "
expand-/compress -
multification-/diminuation -
able ! (?) 8) ,if ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmQhEuDIhy0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmQhEuDIhy0) CONDITION/-ING !
Sincerely
OCWL
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pseudo conductor superconductor ultraconductor hyperconductor
Without proper cooling the efficiency and reliability of these transformers and motors are considerably reduced.
Another object of this invention is to provide a cooler operating high power electrical device that is of light weight, low cost, higher power density, and highly efficient design.
These and other objectives are obtained by placing thermal conductive strips between the turn layers along the axis and perpendicular to the turns of an high power electrical device, such as a transformer or motor, which extends outside of the windings or between the laminates of the core.
The excess heat is conducted outward from the interior of the device along the strips to the outside of the device's windings where it is extracted from the protrusions by means of a highly thermal-conductive potting compound that has a short thermal path to a small heat sink.
"........ an anisotropec material that is highly efficient in conducting heat along the fiber orientation which is unidirectional. .....
" ...... This invention allows for the reduction in size of a high power transformers by a factor of 4 to 8 and a reduction in weight by a factor of 4 to 6, and an increase in power density by 5 to 10 in power. The efficiency of the transformer is improved by maximizing the heat transfer from the transformers interior and minimizing voltage breakdown. ...... "
" ........ therefore a control device such as a timer (not shown) or thermal switch (not shown) may be integrated into the transformer 20 package to either increase the thermal conductivity or decrease it by switching the thermocooler on or off, as desired. ...... "
Although this embodiment has been described in relation to an exemplary device such as a transformer, the claimed invention may equally well be utilized in other types of electrical devices where internal heat is a problem, such as motors, modulation transformers, etc. The size of the transformer is not of concern, it may vary from a small transformer used in switching power supplies to power transformers used in electrical distribution systems. Further, the frequency of the electrical current within the devices to be cooled is irrelevant, e.g., 60 cycles to 400 cycles operate the same thermally. High frequency transformers have higher copper losses due to skin effects. This additional heat may also be removed by the thermally conductive strip as set forth in this invention.
When applied to electrical motors 30, as shown in FIG. 5a, pieces of thermally conductive strip 16 are placed between windings of the motor 30 or interleaved into vertically stacked motor laminations 32, as shown in FIG. 5b. The internal heat from the motor laminations 32 and windings 36 is conducted from the interior of the motor 30 to the outer portions where the heat is then dissipated through the motor case 34 to ambient atmosphere.
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Hello to All,
With all due respect about your expertise on Magnetic Fields and Induction-Induced Fields...
You keep pounding on existing -up to now- Technologies...and yes, Dr Holcomb keeps repeating something we all know...about Steel Properties related to magnetism amplification...yes, We all know that.
IMHO what He has reached is a way to rotate a DC MAGNETIC FIELD, NOT an AC Field which is rotating just by turning it ON...
HOWEVER, the way an AC Magnetic Field "rotates" is completely DIFFERENT from a Rotating DC Magnetic Field.
And so, actually, an AC Field does NOT actually, physically rotates, but only "Flashes" N-S at a rate of 60 to 50 Hertz...generating the spinning feeling if we insert a metal "Egg" or a Laminated Steel Rotor, it will definitively spin a steel mass. (Tesla Induction AC Motors, 1896-98)
There are many inventors who have played with this scenario of "VIRTUALLY SPINNING DC FIELDS"...I have been also conducting experiments related to this way to induce an Electric Output by Rotating DC Fields...for many years back...
Figuera, back in the early 1900's had Patented his way to achieve this...
Steve Marks, has also played with this...
And many many more...
If You go to this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM)
At exactly 0:45 on...you will see an animation of what Dr Holcomb has achieved...a Rotating DC Magnetic Field...including a GRADIENT (Fade IN, Fade OUT) of the Magnetic Fields...
This can be done whether by mechanical commutating controls or by Electronics...FET's...with atenuation circuits to achieve the Fade Effect...
AC Rotating Magnetic Fields will NEVER, EVER, generate this effect...much less, the Fade Effect, Plus the OVERLAPPING Effect.
A simple example of a typical DC Exciter BUT actually moving physically the Magnetic Fields, we can see in a simple Single Phase Brushless Generator...where the Inducing Rotor is comprised by a CLOSED CIRCUIT (Closed by TWO DIODES) of just TWO COILS , generating a North and a South Pole at 180º...and having another CLOSED CIRCUIT COILS at Stator (with an AC Running Capacitor), exclusively to keep Inducing the Exciter Coils at Rotor...
Now, Diodes are there to convert the Induced AC into DC Current at Rotor, which keeps a steady NS-NS polarization of rotor steel core.
This Rotor will not generate nada, if we take off the diodes...just because it would be AC Flashes of magnetic polarization...not inducing nada at Output Stator Coils.
So, what I believe Dr Holcomb has achieved is a way to rotate the DC MAGNETIC FIELDS, with GRADIENT EFFECT, without PHYSICALLY moving the Steel Rotor itself...
Again, I will repeat myself...many has published his findings before...but no one has been able to replicate it...and there must be a specific type of DC Controllers behind these Patents, not explained at all...which are the "secret" behind these disclosed "Breakthrough Invention"...
I am pretty sure, there has to exist another Patent, somewhere, protecting this KEY device, and maybe not even under his name...and not even related to "Energy Induced Generation"...but simply "A New or Novel Type of DC Controller"...
Those are my Two cents here...
Regards to All.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Cadman on March 23, 2022, 11:57:32 AM
I can tell you this much, gain can be had by avoiding counter emf (Lenz) produced by secondary windings during the magnetization phase of the core primary windings[/size]
That's exactly what flyback converter is doing :)
Hello again,
Any typical generation of electricity, will require a Delta Flux over a Delta Time, or a Variation of Flux over Time in order to work...
(Faraday Induction Formula), look at it again...
Over generations we have tried to figure out a way to "cheat" this formula...by "virtually" rotating the "Invisible" Magnetic Fields alone, without moving the Steel Core nor the Coils from the Rotor...
And also simulating the "Fade Effect" of approximation as moving further away of just the Magnetic Fields...which is in charge to Induce a very smooth AC Sine Wave at Output...
We all know, the day we achieve this scenario...well, this is it...we will have Free Energy.
Unfortunately, Dr Holcomb is not sharing how he achieves this Virtual Spinning of the DC Magnetic Fields...He just explains "the Theory", and , well, we all know it could be done...for many years, but no one has been able to reproduce it, so far.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@Ufopolitics
3 phase sinusoidal signal creates rotating DC field.
Space vectors of 3-phase sinusoidal signals (umn.edu) (http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/spacevecmovie.html)
Three-phase space vectors (umn.edu) (http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/spacevectors.html)
Cheers,
Pix
Quote...3 phase sinusoidal signal creates rotating DC field.
@Pix,
Sorry, Nope, you are not generating a true rotating DC
Magnetic Field.
In order to generate a True Rotating DC
Magnetic Field (note I was referring here to Magnetic Field, and not referring to a
DC Electric Field!!
First, to get a
DC Magnetic Field we need a FLAT Positive or Negative Wave on Scope...then a smooth up or down slope to simulate the Fade Effect at leave and approach.
It looks like a chopped (Flat on Top) Pyramid...then it needs to be alternating between Positive side and Negative side...
So, No, AC Sinewave will never generate a DC Magnetic Field, just because it does not stays Flat whether pos or neg, so, the DC Magnetic Field does not get to generate...
I have been playing with this for decades...
I hope you understand what am referring to, without storming this Thread too much...as I got "plenty" of proof...related to what I'm talking about...and nope, it is not "conventional knowledge" that you could find "online"...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 01:49:18 PM
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@Pix,
Sorry, Nope, you are not generating a true rotating DC Magnetic Field.
In order to generate a True Rotating DC Magnetic Field (note I was referring here to Magnetic Field, and not referring to a DC Electric Field!!
Ufopolitics
You are saying that in 3 phase electric motor it is DC electric field rotating? :o
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
You are saying that in 3 phase electric motor it is DC electric field rotating? :o
;D https://overunity.com/19040/permanent-magnet-assisted-motor-coil-designs/msg564903/#new
#113 DC to AC to RC ;)
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
You are saying that in 3 phase electric motor it is DC electric field rotating? :o
In a 3 Phase Electric INDUCTION Motor, we are getting THREE FLASHES of Three Magnetic Fields over a specific (Fraction of) time, if you freeze your Scope frame at One Point in Time.
That is what is called a
ROTATING AC MAGNETIC FIELD...but NOT a
DC Magnetic Field.
And you don't need 3 phase...it will also do it with single phase...Duh!!
Ufopolitics
@Pix,
Please answer this question...if you know it.
In a Brushless AC Generator (or could also be a Brushed old type) what Magnetic Field is utilized in the ROTOR to Induce the Stator Output Fields?
1- Is it an AC Magnetic Field?
2- Is it a DC Magnetic Field?
Easy, bro, is either 1 or 2...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
DC to AC to RC ,
RC = a.Round Current or/and b. Radiant Current or/and Wireless Current and/or Radio Current
TELE- ........,TRANS-.........
Air Core converter technology,f.e .
From/to outside con-/in-/trans-/roto-/ verter emitting/receiving energy,radiant energy !
One specific,less observed current kind : DREHSTROM ~ Three phase current ,in geral ( to ≥3 = poly phase )
Where "simple machines" becomes " capacitive machines" !
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 01:58:58 PM
And you don't need 3 phase...it will also do it with single phase...Duh!!
Ufopolitics
In a single phase electric motor to create rotating magnetic field you have to use SECOND winding at 90 deg with a capacitor.
Capacitor creates a phase shift, which in turn creates virtual rotating field.
Similiar way like in 3 phase motor.
As I said before, in both cases resultant is rotating CONSTANT magnetic field.
INTENSITY of resultant ROTATING magnetic field is CONSTANT.
So, it is a DC magnetic field ROTATING.
Please, do not question mathematical facts.
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 02:11:17 PM
In a single phase electric motor to create rotating magnetic field you have to use SECOND winding at 90 deg with a capacitor.
Capacitor creates a phase shift, which in turn creates virtual rotating field.
Similiar way like in 3 phase motor.
As I said before, in both cases resultant is rotating CONSTANT magnetic field.
INTENSITY of resultant ROTATING magnetic field is CONSTANT.
So, it is a DC magnetic field ROTATING.
Please, do not question mathematical facts.
Pix,pix
Your 1 phase motor in combination WITH 1 phase generator : O2 parallel resonant circuits,but as 2in1
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 02:03:41 PM
@Pix,
Please answer this question...if you know it.
In a Brushless AC Generator (or could also be a Brushed old type) what Magnetic Field is utilized in the ROTOR to Induce the Stator Output Fields?
1- Is it an AC Magnetic Field?
2- Is it a DC Magnetic Field?
Easy, bro, is either 1 or 2...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Answer is simple- it is rotating DC magnetic field.
And voltage of generator is regulated by AVR, which is increasing or decreasing DC current to the rotor windings.
In brushless generator we ROTATE physically rotor, that's why a DC current is in use to create magnetic field.
To create a rotating DC magnetic field without physical rotation- we use a clever trick invented a long time ago by Mr. Nicola Tesla, and used in every induction motor today. :D
So please, don't look for some exotic things when you have all answers under your nose.
Regards,
Pix
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 02:11:17 PM
In a single phase electric motor to create rotating magnetic field you have to use SECOND winding at 90 deg with a capacitor.
Capacitor creates a phase shift, which in turn creates virtual rotating field.
Similiar way like in 3 phase motor.
As I said before, in both cases resultant is rotating CONSTANT magnetic field.
INTENSITY of resultant ROTATING magnetic field is CONSTANT.
So, it is a DC magnetic field ROTATING.
Please, do not question mathematical facts.
@Pix,
Why You keep citing "AC Electric Motors"??!!
We are referring here to Power Generation, or AC Generators, not to Electrical to Mechanical Generation...apples and Bananas, Bro...
Can you answer my question on my previous post?
Thanks
Ufopolitics
Quote from: lancaIV on March 23, 2022, 02:19:46 PM
Pix,pix
Your 1 phase motor in combination WITH 1 phase generator : O2 parallel resonant circuits,but as 2in1
Sorry lancaIV, but I have trouble getting you.
I have had to take the same stuff you are taking ;)
http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm) compact "the stuff" explained ;D
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3913004A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US3913004A/en)
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Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
Answer is simple- it is rotating DC magnetic field.
And voltage of generator is regulated by AVR, which is increasing or decreasing DC current to the rotor windings.
In brushless generator we ROTATE physically rotor, that's why a DC current is in use to create magnetic field.
To create a rotating DC magnetic field without physical rotation- we use a clever trick invented a long time ago by Mr. Nicola Tesla, and used in every induction motor today. :D
So please, don't look for some exotic things when you have all answers under your nose.
Regards,
Pix
Great!!...
You have said it...it is a
DC Magnetic Field, NOT an AC Magnetic Field...and it is being fed as a Continuous Plus and Minus (+/-) input to rotor coils, NOT AC!!
With an AC Magnetic Field as the "Inducer" in absolutely ANY Generator in our Planet...you will get zero output at Stator Field Coils!!...And Nikola Tesla Induction Motor is based on
Rotating AC Magnetic Fields...NOT DC Magnetic Fields.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 02:22:14 PM
@Pix,
Why You keep citing "AC Electric Motors"??!!
We are referring here to Power Generation, or AC Generators, not to Electrical to Mechanical Generation...apples and Bananas, Bro...
Can you answer my question on my previous post?
Thanks
Ufopolitics
1. AC Electric motor- alternating current (driven) electric motor. That is a proper name of induction motor, isn't it? You want me to name it "AC magnetic motor"? Never seen such naming in literature. :o
2. I already answered your question in my previous post.
I am really tired trying to explain a basic stuff.
If you choose to belive there is something extraordinary in Holcomb patents- please feel free.
I am out.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: lancaIV on March 23, 2022, 02:26:39 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm) compact "the stuff" explained ;D
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1891
https://patents.google.com/patent/US460046A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US460046A/en)
:)
german Sprichwort : Knilche bleiben Knilche !
Knilch ~ " specific kind of" ::) boy https://synonyme.woxikon.de/synonyme/knilch.php
Hello,
I have already explained my take on what I believe these Patents shown here are based on, in my Posts #53 and #55...
And are based on Dr Holcomb Animations shown on the video and timing I have cited prior...plus reading his Patents.
And so, if you Pix, believe there is no difference between a DC Magnetic Field and an AC Magnetic Field, just "standing there", not even rotating...then that is just your own opinion...which differs with mine.
So, I say, Nope, they are NOT the same thing at all!!
Much less when they are set in a continuous loop of steel...whether a Generator Core or a Toroidal Core.
It is like speaking about two completely opposed things.
And as I have said before...
All ELECTRIC GENERATORS (Not Motors) in our entire Planet, are excited, Induced by DC Magnetic Field Coil(s)...hence fed by a DC Current signal.
And again, that is my take, period
Cheers
Ufopolitics
A very simple way to explain AC versus DC Magnetic Fields...raw and very obvious knowledge...
"Polarity of generated magnetic field in an electromagnet depends on the direction of the current.
Alternating current changes direction 50 or 60 times per second, and the average direction is zero. Resulting average magnetic field is zero. Not very useful for most magnetic applications.
Btw, this explanation is a gross oversimplification, but close enough for illustrative purposes."
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
A very simple way to explain AC versus DC Magnetic Fields...raw and very obvious knowledge...
IMHK : In MY HUMBLE KNOWLEDGE
"Polarity of generated magnetic field in an electromagnet depends on the direction of the current.
Alternating current changes direction 50 or 60 times per second, if 50 Hz or 60 Hz ( can be KHz,MHz,...) ,
by Hz = 2 signals min. and max. pointing, per seconds and the average direction is zero.
From " Magnetic Power Factor ZERO" average view ,by MPF -1/0/1 scale min/max.
Resulting average magnetic field is zero. Not very useful for most magnetic applications.https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula (https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula)
Power kinds caution !
Btw, this explanation is a gross oversimplification ;) , but close enough for illustrative purposes."
Cheers
Ufopolitics
The hertz (Hz) is the unit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_of_measurement) of frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency) in the International System of Units (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units) (SI) and is defined as one cycle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_(unit)) per second (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second) . The hertz is an SI derived unit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_derived_unit) whose expression in terms of SI base units (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit), meaning that one hertz is the reciprocal of one second
from : Hertz reciprocal of Time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz)
So, "60 Hertz is equal to 60 cycles/seconds"
Reciprocal meaning:
re·cip·ro·cal
/rəˈsiprək(ə)l/
Mathematics
MATHEMATICS
(of a quantity or function) related to another so that their product is one.
MATHEMATICS
a mathematical expression or function so related to another that their product is one; the quantity obtained by dividing the number one by a given quantity.
"the compressibility is the reciprocal of the bulk modulus"
Learn to become polylingual ! And to re-/act polydirectional !
Btw : ten years back ,the same theme related :
https://overunity.com/11937/accelerating-motor-generator-selfcharging-capacitors-without-any-batteries/15/ (https://overunity.com/11937/accelerating-motor-generator-selfcharging-capacitors-without-any-batteries/15/) ;D
extraordinary statement : #77
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2012, 12:14:43 AM
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Reply # 94 and # 95 and #98
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OCWL
Hi Ufo,
An induction motor (say a 3-phase, 60 Hz 2-pole machine) will operate as a generator quite well if driven above 3600 RPM. This is well known and often used. There is no DC feed and no diodes or commutator or other means to convert AC to DC.
Thanks to Tesla (the guy, not car co.), we know a method in which the 3- phase stator windings are placed such that when excited by a sinusoidal 3-phase alternating current produces a constant magnitude (and polarity) flux wave which travels (rotates) around the air gap at synchronous speed (line frequency/pole pairs).
bi
ps.
Look it up. I think it can be found in all EE textbooks, at least all I've seen, which is more than a few.
Edit.
https://youtu.be/8XF-11MQGQ0
Short simple explanation video.
#77 :
" ..... An induction motor (say a 3-phase, 60 Hz 2-pole machine) will operate as a generator quite well if driven above 3600 RPM. ... "
Yes and No !
AC motor rated RPM dependent ,to become by higher RPMs an alternator function !
Difference attention : a. DC motor ccw and cw constructive ,
b. AC induction motor ccw or cw constructive ,
c. universal motor
https://overunity.com/11937/accelerating-motor-generator-selfcharging-capacitors-without-any-batteries/90/ (https://overunity.com/11937/accelerating-motor-generator-selfcharging-capacitors-without-any-batteries/90/)
gyulasuns´s its/his # 97 input
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Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 12:42:04 PM
That's exactly what flyback converter is doing :)
Hook your scope up to one and pulse it with DC. Then come back and tell me there is never any counter emf with the primary induction in the secondary. :)
Cadman
-1 0 1
BEMF EMF
theme Power Factor mono-phase circuit / tri phase circuit / poly phase circuit
::)
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula (https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula)
Feedback !?
net-grid cycle / battery-source cycle
max 50% potential / max. 100% potential
industry process to private household battery -source process
industrial net-grid displacement current compensation process !?
https://www.google.com/search?q=industrial+electric+displacement+current+compensation+process&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBvU8ysE41AI1UpBgOJSTklpl51qtQ%3A1648069829920&ei=xYw7YvjrN8vykwW41aLYCQ&ved=0ahUKEwi44pvGkt32AhVL-aQKHbiqCJsQ4dUDCA0&oq=industrial+electric+displacement+current+compensation+process&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgjELACECc6BAghEApKBAhBGAFKBAhGGABQ4w1YsSBguTNoAXAAeACAAYMBiAG3B5IBAzQuNZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
Quote from: bistander on March 23, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
Hi Ufo,
An induction motor (say a 3-phase, 60 Hz 2-pole machine) will operate as a generator quite well if driven above 3600 RPM. This is well known and often used. There is no DC feed and no diodes or commutator or other means to convert AC to DC.
Thanks to Tesla (the guy, not car co.), we know a method in which the 3- phase stator windings are placed such that when excited by a sinusoidal 3-phase alternating current produces a constant magnitude (and polarity) flux wave which travels (rotates) around the air gap at synchronous speed (line frequency/pole pairs).
bi
ps.
Look it up. I think it can be found in all EE textbooks, at least all I've seen, which is more than a few.
Hi Bistander,
As you've written "it could be used"...
Plus have to be a "Two Pole Rotor"...why?
In order that those two Poles eventually magnetize as a N-S...right?
I also know that, however, it is not how a conventional Three Phase Generator works.
Otherwise I could also cite here that I can use a permanent magnet motor as a generator ..lol
And yes I know stator windings are also spaced at 120° apart, just like in a 3 phase generator...
You very well know, that in Conventional Power Generation Systems, the Exciter Coils are converted into DC to give a constant magnetic field polarization.
Anyways, point here was about my view on these Patents, not about "another class" about magnetic induction...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Geben WIR dem gesuchtem Kinde den Namen :
AC CONDUCTION motor
or AC CONDUCTION CURRENT motor
= AC DISPLACEMENT CURRENT motor
or AC BLIND CURRENT motor
or AC WATT-FREE motor
https://www.quantumstudy.com/physics/electromagnetic-waves-2/ (https://www.quantumstudy.com/physics/electromagnetic-waves-2/)
q.e.e. quod erat explanandum
btw : 1 Hz = 2 pulses or 2 signals
the controle tool called Pulse With Modulation ,shortly MODULATOR,by Laplace theorem " Operator"
AM Amplitude Modulation
FM Frequency Modulation
? M ? Modulation ? = DUTY ::) dis-/continuum ;)
more : https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kanarev+pulse+power (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kanarev+pulse+power)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 23, 2022, 05:04:55 PM
Hi Bistander,
...
Plus have to be a "Two Pole Rotor"...why?
...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
No. I was speaking about squirrel cage induction motors like what are most commonly used. So the number of rotor poles is the same as the stator pole count. And the generator operation is valid for 4-pole, 6-pole or any # of poles machine. The synchronous speed will vary with pole count. I just used 2-pole, 60Hz and 3600 RPM as an example to keep it short. Please look it up.
bi
#83 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_motor
- 3 Induction motor
- 3.1 Slip
- 3.2 Polyphase cage rotor
- 3.3 Polyphase wound rotor
- 3.4 Two-phase servo motor
- 3.5 Single-phase induction motor
- 3.5.1 Shaded-pole motor
- 3.5.2 Split-phase motor
- 3.5.2.1 Capacitor start motor
- 3.5.2.2 Resistance start motor
- 3.5.2.3 Permanent-split capacitor motor
- 4 Synchronous motor
- 4.1 Polyphase synchronous motor
- 4.2 Single-phase synchronous motor
- 4.3 Hysteresis synchronous motor
- 5 Other AC motor types
- 5.1 Universal motor and series wound motor
- 5.2 Repulsion motor
- 5.3 Exterior rotor
- 5.4 Sliding rotor motor
- 5.5 Electronically commutated motor
- 5.6 Watthour-meter motor
- 5.7 Slow-speed synchronous timing motor
Some hands on and ?
By Partzman post # 91 here
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98187;topicseen#msg98187 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg98187;topicseen#msg98187)
Will probably bump a builders board here soon , for build related discussions
And experiment suggestions !
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Quote from: lancaIV on March 23, 2022, 02:26:39 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3913004A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US3913004A/en)
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If we could harvest FE by the ton ( based on post content ) ??
Hand waving is nice to keep cool sometimes?
...Dictionary of unreplicated links .. nice for by the ton info ...
PLEASE ??
One well written paragraph will suffice ( I wrote before ...an offer to work with professor in your native tongue)
Variables for errors in translation and intent ... can statistically take several lifetimes to sort out !
PLEASE
??
Let's flip the noise to signal ratio , for those who truly need the help !
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Ps
To lota question at Partzman topic
Seems a builder board will happen later today (here )
And schematics and other , will surely be a part !
Partzman and Smudge are moderators at that topic board here !
PPS
Who posted monster that made page so long here ?
Need sneakers to run back and forth reading text ?
Edit: to add partzman schematic !
From post 91 below
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Ok Ladies and Gentlemen...
RE: Dr Holcomb Breakthrough
I have researched directly into the USPTO Patent Applications Database...which is the FULL Patent App...including all images and FULL Descriptions, basically about the Application Number 20190238011
Which is about a Non Moving Rotor, as what "moves" are the Virtual Magnetic Fields...
SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC/DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS (https://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220190238011%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20190238011&RS=DN/20190238011)
So, I was completely right, about what I have mentioned on my previous Post#53...
Dr Holcomb uses an ELECTRONIC SWITCHING SYSTEM based on MOSFET Gating Circuit, plus a Programmable Logic Control (PLC) System, Excitation Board, fed by Batteries and a Control Board...which is in charge to send the ALTERNATE AND SEQUENCED EXCITATION SIGNALS to INDEPENDENT COILS in each Slot of the Basic Rotor Core.
These Alternate Signals excite by groups of Four Coils on one end, to another four coils in the opposite end of rotor...and so on it will jump from the first coil of the 1,2,3,4 to do 2,3,4,5, then 3,4,5,6...while same takes place at 180º following a rotation sequencing.
Like I have mentioned before, Dr Holcomb uses a DC EXCITED VIRTUAL ROTATION OF DC MAGNETIC FIELDS which acts as the INDUCER of the outer "Stator", which could be single phase, two phase, or three phase....
The Justia Patents site cited here on first page, first post by Ramset does not show the Full Patent App Images...and without images, at least for me, it is almost impossible to understand the whole deal.
Here I will just post Image #23 from App, where it shows the main wiring Diagram to Rotor and all the Exciter and Control Board circuitry...so you have an idea of the basic Invention.
#23 Image shows the basic wiring of a Rotor consisting of 16 poles to the Controller Components (Output Stator is not shown here) what you see contouring Rotor are just the way it is wired to each Chanel from a total of Eight ( 8) Chanels.
@Ramset: Yes, definitively We will need a Builder's MODERATED THREAD, as there is too much NOISE here!!...for any serious builders to communicate in a cleaner, more reliable fashion... ;D
We do not need any "Naysayers, any Skeptics, any BS of ANY KIND, please...and so We could go deeper into this Patents....which, let me say...are NOT that easy to understand even though they are presented here in clear descriptions plus Graphics that are easy to interpret (for those skilled in the Arts, of course)
I want to also add an apology to Dr Holcomb for saying prior that He was not disclosing the Controllers for his patents....as they are all here in detail.
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
Here is the Explanation to previous FIG #23:
FIG. 23 is a diagram which depicts an exemplary four-pole rotor 91 along with its excitation circuit, consistent with embodiments of the present disclosure. The four pole rotor wound salient pole #1 in each group is connected to a MOSFET circuit from an excitation system in control panel 72. The wound salient poles are grouped into four magnetic pole groups, including group #1 (poles 1-4), group #2 (poles 5-8), group #3 (poles 9-12) and group #4 (poles 13-16). The poles are excited as follows: Pole 1 of group #1 is a first polarity and pole 1 of group #2 is a second polarity. Pole 1 of group #3 is a first polarity and pole 1 of group #4 is a second polarity. Pole 1 of each group is excited by a common channel #1 (CH1) of a solid state excitation system housed in control panel 72. Pole 2 of each group is excited by an exciter board channel #2 (CH2). Pole 3 of each group is excited by an exciter board channel #3 (CH3), and pole 4 of each group is excited by an exciter board channel #4 (CH4). The power to excite the salient poles is taken from battery 36 through conductors 35 into exciter system 34. The control signals for the exciter system are sent from PLC 32 through conductors 33. Commands to PLC 32 are generated in control panel 72. The poles are excited through conductors 37 and 38. The pole ads 39, 40, 41, and 42 are connected to conductors 38 in appropriate locations. This numbering scheme is representative for all poles 1-16. Pole 1 of each group is excited and, for example, 2.084 milliseconds later, pole 2 of each group is excited; and for example, 2.804 milliseconds later, pole 3 is excited; and for example, 2.084 milliseconds later, pole 4 is excited; and, for example, 2.084 milliseconds later, pole 1 is excited again but in a second polarity, and the cycle repeats continuously. The pole circuits are excited with a first polarity DC power in the first half cycle and a second polarity DC power in the second half cycle. The first and second half cycle makes up one AC power cycle every 16.667 milliseconds in the case of 60 Hz electric power. Appropriate adjustments are made in the control system for other frequencies such as 50 Hz electric power. For 60 Hz power each pole is excited, for example 4.167 milliseconds with, for example, a 4.167 millisecond collapse time for the magnetic salient pole iron. The excitation wave progresses clockwise with the magnetic flux of each pole being distorted in a clockwise fashion by the previous like magnetic pole. Therefore the discrete rotor pole made up of four salient pole pieces at any one point in time progresses clockwise due to the repelling flux of the preceding salient pole. This in effect constantly pushes discrete separated magnetic poles in a clockwise circular fashion at the desired frequency. The poles are separated and alternate first polarity and second polarity. The four discrete magnetic poles continue to rotate without physical rotation of the rotor member itself.
Also, in FIG # 53 (Loaded here) We can see a part of Circuit dedicated to a POLE SWITCHING BOARD
As in FIG # 54 is the Circuit dedicated to EXCITATION BOARD
Explanation of FIG 53 & 54:
FIG. 53 is a depiction of an exemplary circuit diagram of PLC circuit and pole switching circuits, consistent with embodiments of the present disclosure. FIG. 54 is a depiction of an exemplary circuit diagram revealing circuits of a rotor excitation system and an interaction with PLC and pole switching circuits, consistent with embodiments of the present disclosure. These two figures will be explained together.[0199] The programmable electronic logic gating system of the present disclosure allows sequencing of the alternating salient magnetic poles of the system. The system is diagrammatically presented in FIGS. 53 and 54. Upon receiving a signal from a frequency generator, such as a sensor wheel 240 or a solid-state frequency generator, the circuit in FIG. 53 generates a DC rotor excitation pulse. The circuit in FIG. 54 receives the pulse generated in the circuit in FIG. 53 for gating the north-south salient poles of the rotor. In the case of a 4-pole, 60 Hz generator, the cycle is 16.667 milliseconds or one 180.degree. rotation with a half cycle 8.333 milliseconds north and 8.333 milliseconds south. In the case of the rotating sensor wheel, 90.degree. equates to 8.333 milliseconds, 180.degree. equates to 16.667 milliseconds and 67.5.degree. equates to 6.250 milliseconds.[0200] The exemplary MOSFET PLC system allows sequencing of the alternating salient magnetic poles of the embodiments of the present disclosure. The sequencing for each pole is described herein. The excitation cycle for each salient pole through a complete north/south cycle is controlled by two channels of the PLC. The sensor wheel 240 in FIG. 53 rotates at 1800 rpm in the case of a 3-phase four pole 60 Hz generator. The sensor wheel may be replaced by a frequency generator set at 1800 signals per minute or other appropriate speeds. The sensor wheel opening passes through the sensor 241 and a signal is generated when the system is turned on by the on/off switch 236 of a HMI (Human Machine Interface). The DC pulsed signal is sent to the first and second channels of PLC 239 through conduit 242. PLC CH1 controls the signal to the excitation board through conduits 244 and 243. PLC CH2 controls the signal to the pole switching board through conduits 231 and 245.[0201] The excitation is transmitted to the excitation board and enters the circuit through contact block 277 (FIG. 54). The signals control MOSFET gates 272 and 269. The MOSFET gates 272 and 269 have 12+ volts, for example, of DC power current on them constantly to maintain the gates closed. The default position for these gates is open. The PLC CH1 and CH2 turn the DC current off of the MOSFET for 135.degree. and 180.degree., for example, of rotation respectively at 1800 rpm of signal speed and allows the gate to open for 135.degree. of rotation in the case of CH1 and 180.degree. of rotation in CH2 which allows current to be routed in the case of CH1 through conduits 279 and 273 to contact block 278. Contact block 278 has four contact points referred to here as contacts C#1, C#2, A#1 and A#2. Jumper connections connect contact C#1 block 278 to contact 213 on the pole switching board. Jumper connections connect contact A#1 block 278 to contact 214 on pole switching board. Jumper connections connect contact A#2 block 278 to contact 215 on pole switching board. Jumper connections connect contact C#2 block 278 to contact 216 on pole switching board. These circuits provide a timed alternating pulse of DC, current (for example, 20 volts and 6 amps) to the two sides of pole switching board. PLC channel #2 sends signal to MOSFET gates 209 and 225 on pole switching board to open for 180.degree. through conduit 245 to the first side and 231 to the second side.
Cheers...it is not that complicated... ;D
Ufopolitics
@Ufopolitics et al
Some points I would like to make:
1. The driver circuits that are in that particular patent are nothing special as far as I can tell (correct me if I am wrong). It's a simple bidirectional coil driver (similar to what a bidirectional motor driver looks like). Nevertheless, from his patents (and I have read all of the most relevant ones now) it appears Holcom doesn't understand where his excess energy is coming from, repeatedly stating electron spin in electrical steel, high permittivity etc as the explanation. That is not the cause, as we know it takes energy (B*H which is the area under the hysteresis curve) to magnetize and demagnetize material and there is no gain in that). But maybe he states that because he really doesn't know and probably had to give some explanation in the patent (after all he is not an electrical engineer; I believe was a medical doctor in the past). Looking at how detailed his patents are, I don't believe he is deliberately steering someone in the wrong direction.
2. If you take a look at the old Pierre Cotnoir's DZ generator threads, you will see Pierre was using a similar scheme of a rotating magnetic field generated by DC currents, but with relays instead of FETs. Although Pierre's device seemed to work from his videos, nobody has been able to replicate it.
3. I believe that the reason that Holcombs device works is because he has found a way to circumvent BEMF from coupling back into the rotor driving coils. I am not so sure if he actually understands that that is what he has done as he keeps on stating no BEMF because the rotor is fixed, but that's not the reason why it works. The reason it works is because the BEMF is diverted and doesn't make its way back to the driving coils. I will need to confirm what I think is happening with some calculations to be 100% sure, but based on what I can picture in my head so far, it should work that way.
Lastly, with respect to noise on this thread, indeed a lot of random noise (no need to state a name here) so I am all for a moderated thread. But please don't censor anyone if they have a different opinion or shoot down someone else's explanation with sound reasoning. A healthy discussion benefits all as long as it is polite and explained with reasoning (so no name calling, insults and things of that sort please).
My two cents, PmgR
Pmgr
Quote
Lastly, with respect to noise on this thread, indeed a lot of random noise (no need to state a name here) so I am all for a moderated thread. But please don't censor anyone if they have a different opinion or shoot down someone else's explanation with sound reasoning. A healthy discussion benefits all as long as it is polite and explained with reasoning (so no name calling, insults and things of that sort please).
My two cents, PmgR
End quote
Sir
When a builder ( man or woman) takes the time and all associated personal costs
To share their work ,it can try the best of persons to endure "noise" at the build site (thread)!
It might be a good idea to have a general topic alongside the build topic ( for noise and even theorists etc etc
It has been my experience that those builders with deeper knowledge... who actually decide to build ... have done all the
Vetting and diligence to their own satisfaction !
However, the beauty of working open source leads to a larger talent footprint
And typically that can be amazing if nurtured ( polite , respectful etc etc environment)
So for clarity
no biting ..closed fist punches, nothing below the belt
Definitely no eye gouging.....
All kidding aside
Respectful discussions must always be the standard we strive to !
Gonna be interesting indeed !
Here is one topic which will hopefully start soon( link below) !
Perhaps _this _ thread can be the general non builder discussion thread ? ( this unmoderated thread I am typing in now)
https://overunity.com/19074/builders-investigation-into-things-that-spin-with-gain-and-other/msg564943/#new (https://overunity.com/19074/builders-investigation-into-things-that-spin-with-gain-and-other/msg564943/#new)
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: pmgr on March 24, 2022, 04:00:02 PM
@Ufopolitics et al
Some points I would like to make:
1. The driver circuits that are in that particular patent are nothing special as far as I can tell (correct me if I am wrong). It's a simple bidirectional coil driver (similar to what a bidirectional motor driver looks like). Nevertheless, from his patents (and I have read all of the most relevant ones now) it appears Holcom doesn't understand where his excess energy is coming from, repeatedly stating electron spin in electrical steel, high permittivity etc as the explanation. That is not the cause, as we know it takes energy (B*H which is the area under the hysteresis curve) to magnetize and demagnetize material and there is no gain in that). But maybe he states that because he really doesn't know and probably had to give some explanation in the patent (after all he is not an electrical engineer; I believe was a medical doctor in the past). Looking at how detailed his patents are, I don't believe he is deliberately steering someone in the wrong direction.
2. If you take a look at the old Pierre Cotnoir's DZ generator threads, you will see Pierre was using a similar scheme of a rotating magnetic field generated by DC currents, but with relays instead of FETs. Although Pierre's device seemed to work from his videos, nobody has been able to replicate it.
3. I believe that the reason that Holcombs device works is because he has found a way to circumvent BEMF from coupling back into the rotor driving coils. I am not so sure if he actually understands that that is what he has done as he keeps on stating no BEMF because the rotor is fixed, but that's not the reason why it works. The reason it works is because the BEMF is diverted and doesn't make its way back to the driving coils. I will need to confirm what I think is happening with some calculations to be 100% sure, but based on what I can picture in my head so far, it should work that way.
Lastly, with respect to noise on this thread, indeed a lot of random noise (no need to state a name here) so I am all for a moderated thread. But please don't censor anyone if they have a different opinion or shoot down someone else's explanation with sound reasoning. A healthy discussion benefits all as long as it is polite and explained with reasoning (so no name calling, insults and things of that sort please).
My two cents, PmgR
Hello PmgR,
Well, I have being working (not full time though) on this same theory for a few years back...and the basic downfall of this kind of systems is when we accelerate the fields rotation...at least that is where I noticed some failure...but, I was using a similar type of driver as Clemente Figuera did on his 1908 Patent...
The failure being that fields do get to the desired speed, but Induced Voltage will drop as Amperage will rise above Input, in many amps above unity.
I have built two drivers, of which the second one I have not being able to test it....just because I was going to mount all coils in a Toroidal Core...I got the core(s), got the wire but never wound them...
The second driver I have built does not rotates DC Magnetic Fields but it reverses Field Polarization with the same +/- feed...and driven by a small dc motor...which onlky uses like 12V and milliamps.
This reversal scenario I was trying to mimic what takes place at high speed in a Generator Rotor...We get "Flashes" of fully developed fields which reverses every certain angle...mine was set to do it at 180º, just like a typical two pole house generator.
Anyways, I agree as I disagree that driver is just a bidirectional motor drive...maybe for just one chanel...but eight chanels?
Plus all this FET's are base driven by a PLC or Programable Logic Circuit, which gets the commands from a Control Panel...so, IMO it is not just a simple Motor driver...
As I have mentioned before...the failure here is at higher speeds...and reading the patent you see it is very well detailed at specific On and Off timings at the milliseconds ratings...which makes it very precise due to the accuracy of its micro processors in the logic controls...
Unfortunately I never got to watch the Pierre Cotnoir videos...as He took them all off by now...
I believe, that once we get these machines running, Lenz will not apply here...since there is no steel mass rotation present...and about BEMF, maybe you are right...and because it is diverged it also do not work here...
One thing that caught my attention about this patent...are the way the rotor core is wound...not overlapping coils, but winding each pole independent from the other...just like a BLDC Motor, I guess that is a more effective way when it comes to faster on-off fields or reversing their polarity...
In general speaking...related to Dr Holcomb, not being an Engineer...well, I believe while he was designing his therapy magnetic equipments...He stomped into a phenomena, along with his team of engineers developing this machines...and it worked.
In History we can find a couple of doctors, who made incredible discoveries...some were seized...others mysteriously dissapeared...Dr Rife (Cancer Cure) and the other one that used also some magnetic frequencies through some copper rings machine to heal his patients...do not remember his name now...sorry.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Holcombs explanation
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf (https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf)
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"By eliminating reverse torque, the Holcomb Energy System generates significantly more
power output than is required to operate the system. This allows the HES to recycle a portion
of that power output through a standard capacitor/battery interface in a self-regenerating
fashion, while simultaneously powering an electrical load. "
"In the Holcomb Energy System, the rotating armature/rotor of the standard electric power
generator has been replaced with a static rotor mechanism constructed of multiple
electromagnetic pole pieces which are sequenced by a computer excitation system and
solid-state relays. The poles are sequenced such that in the case of the 3-phase, 50 Hz
generator, 4 distinct alternating poles rotate at 1500 rpm. Unlike the rotating armature in
a conventional generator, the rotating magnetic poles in the HES are static. Therefore, the
Holcomb Energy System operates with no moving parts – it is entirely solid-state and
scalable to any application. "
"when a coil of magnet wire is wrapped around the electrical steel, and a weak current is
passed through the coil, the coil generates a weak magnetic field which aligns the
magnetic domains of the steel, and as the domains are aligned, they produce powerful,
moving, magnetic flux which, when organized and sequenced by our high speed computer
system, generates four powerful spinning magnetic poles which pushes electrons around
through the stator coils, producing clean, 3-phase power. Therefore, the weak magnetic
field generated by the power input creates powerful moving magnetic fields which are
responsible for generating the electric power. "
"However, the standard generator rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and
then gets no further energy advantage from the aligning process. In comparison, the HES
aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and relaxes continuously every
4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second. "
Sounds like a transformer to me, and seems like it must have plenty of back EMf.
Quote from: Floor on March 24, 2022, 09:21:07 PM
"By eliminating reverse torque, the Holcomb Energy System generates significantly more
power output than is required to operate the system. This allows the HES to recycle a portion of that power output through a standard capacitor/battery interface in a self-regenerating fashion, while simultaneously powering an electrical load. "
"In the Holcomb Energy System, the rotating armature/rotor of the standard electric power generator has been replaced with a static rotor mechanism constructed of multiple electromagnetic pole pieces which are sequenced by a computer excitation system and solid-state relays. The poles are sequenced such that in the case of the 3-phase, 50 Hz generator, 4 distinct alternating poles rotate at 1500 rpm. Unlike the rotating armature in a conventional generator, the rotating magnetic poles in the HES are static. Therefore, the Holcomb Energy System operates with no moving parts – it is entirely solid-state and scalable to any
application. "
"when a coil of magnet wire is wrapped around the electrical steel, and a weak current is passed through the coil, the coil generates a weak magnetic field which aligns the magnetic domains of the steel, and as the domains are aligned, they produce powerful, moving, magnetic flux which, when organized and sequenced by our high speed computer system, generates four powerful spinning magnetic poles which pushes electrons around through the stator coils, producing clean, 3-phase power. Therefore, the weak magnetic field generated by the power input creates powerful moving magnetic fields which are responsible for generating the electric power. "
"However, the standard generator rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and then gets no further energy advantage from the aligning process. In comparison, the HES aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second. "
Sounds like a transformer to me, and seems like it must have plenty of back EMf.
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4 distinct alternating poles ROTATE at 1500 rpm.
Sounds like a generator to me.
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The images that were posted are of of Holcomb's latest configuration (his latest patent). The patent that UfoPolitics mentions is an older patent and the structure in that patent is "outdated", yet the drive electronics probably still apply. The structure you see in the images above (@Feb2006: not sure where you found those; can you let us know?) is the latest structure that you also see in his videos. It consists of two rotors and one three phase stator (center) with lapped windings.
The flux flow in that structure is such that BEMF (and I am talking about transformer BEMF, not rotational BEMF which is of course not there as everything is fixed) from the stator coils back into the stator coils is avoided!
This means BEMF of the stator coils has nowhere to go but fold onto itself.
@Ufopolitcs
Here is a video of of Pierre's device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn49fDHCHdo&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn49fDHCHdo&t=5s)
Electric fields are pulsing on and off = BackElectroMotivForce.
Rotating armature or not, still there will be BEMF.
The real question is whether or not the BEMF is usefully applied or not.
The fields in this device do not actually rotate, they instead are turned on and off, such that the
positions of the poles of the activated fields around an axis / in a circular arrangement of
coils forms a series of alternate polarity changes. Basic principle of / similar to all electric
motors and generators
Although truly not a conventional, nor a singular transformer, rather a series of interconnected
transformers, but still it is a transformer (magnetic fields are shared between two or more windings
via an iron core). Holcomb's design has the addition of an air gap.
Holcomb's statement
"However, the standard generator rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up,"
is untrue.
If it works...
Perhaps it is because the back EMF is to a large degree constructively utilized
and / or
there is some kind of escalating cascading effect in the field interactions ?
What ever the case may be, Holcomb has not made / has not given the correct explanation.
There could be simplified models / experiments which can verify the effect ?
P.S.
I think pmgr and I are saying essentially the same things here...
@Floor, yes indeed the same thing.
Looking at the MOSFET driving schematic, the coils are driven with a regular 4 MOSFET H-bridge configuration. However at the top of the H-bridge are two sets of 2 MOSFETs added in each leg in series (269 and 270 in left leg, and 272 and 256 in right leg). Not sure exactly why yet, but...
When the coil is switched off, according to the patent, the upper H-bridge FET 272 (powered by battery B) is switched off first before FET 209 in the lower left leg of the H-bridge is switched off.
Based on this configuration, the electrical BEMF that is created when the pole is switched off has two paths to find its way back to itself:
1. Part of it will find its way back through the body diodes of MOSFETs 207,269,270 (in left half of H-bridge), then through battery A to GND and then from GND back to the coil through the body diode of FET 225.
2. Part of it will find its way back through FET 209 (which is still ON) to GND then through the body diode of FET 225 back to the coil.
Which one of the above 2 currents is larger will depend on the resistance in each path. Most likely FET 209 will take most current first and by the time that FET switches off, if there is still energy left in the coil, this will go to battery A.
So part of the electrical BEMF (energy that is stored in the coil) is partially recycled to battery A but most of is likely dissipated through the resistance of the coil itself and of FET 209 and body diode of FET 225.
And this brings me to the reason why Holcomb probably added these MOSFETS in the upper legs: to spread the BEMF voltage (which sizes will depend on how fast the MOSFETs are switched off and on the forward voltage of the body diodes) over these these 4 MOSFET body diodes (225,207,269,270) instead of over just two (225,207) so as not to burn out the body diodes (and thus the MOSFETs). The forward voltage of the body diodes will also determine how far the battery voltage on battery A can climb up above 12V; basically 4x the forward voltage of each body diode.
A similar reasoning can be applied to a pole of opposite polarity (basically driving the H-bridge in the other direction).
So the electrical BEMF is mainly dissipated but some reused to top off the batteries (this happens for both pole polarities N/S). It basically means that the energy that was stored in the coil is not just dissipated, but partially sent back to the batteries (Pierre Cotnoirs DZ generator did this too).
I note that all of it could have been sent back to the batteries if FET 209 were switched off first (instead of FET 272).
But now there is also the magnetic field BEMF from the secondary (the stator in this case) and this BEMF would be generated when a load is applied to the stator coils (and I am referring here to the same thing that @Floor mentions). This BEMF will work against the the batteries (same way as in a regular transformer) unless it can be avoided that the BEMF flux makes it to the rotor pole coils (think about something like a BITT configuration). I think that that is what could be happening here with the way the machine is designed (rotor-stator-rotor configuration). I think it could work, but I have to confirm it with simulations to be sure.
Back EMF doesn't matter transformers can be nearly 100% efficient
http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~khachan/PTF/Transformer%20explanation.pdf (http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~khachan/PTF/Transformer%20explanation.pdf)
What's matter is eleminating reverse torque !
Hello to All,
I do have to disagree with some comments here...as I agree with others.
First, thanks PmgR for the video link, I will take a look later on...
1- I do not believe this way to switch Coils is barely done by a simple ON-OFF kind of deal...otherwise it would not, definitively not required to have so much sophisticated electronics to do just a simple turn on/off like a wall switch.
Like I have said before, there must be an "attenuation" in between on-off's, meaning a "fading on and a fading off" effect, in order that BEMF would be considerably reduced.
I also said before, that if we get these signals in a scope (signals sent to rotor(s) coils, they will NOT be typical spikes, nor any square wave with steep ups and downs....and more likely they will look like a "Chopped Pyramid" with a flat top, which is the coil's full DC feed and therefore, full magnetic field exposure.
I will load an image (that I had to recover from an old account about ten (10) years ago) of a comparison between all three waves...and some call them "sawtooth waves"
I know this may sounds like "fiction" but it is not...believe me.
2- Related to Magnetic Fields Spectrum properties...please, let me remind you that magnetic fields are completely "Spatial" and linger around steel cores and copper, but further away in space than any solid mass...as also (and very important to know) that whenever you turn off a coil, by cutting its supplied currents and voltages to zero...there is, still, lingering around space...that magnetic field in Space, not referring here to "domains on steel still aligned and still present...NOPE!!...I am referring to Spatial Field, just like a ghost.
And this could be clearly verified with many new, state of the art techniques to "see" magnetic field spectrum...and NOT referring to the BS ancient type of using some steel shavings on a piece of paper.
I am talking about CRT Viewing, Magnetic Film viewing and Ferrocell viewing of the Real Field Spectrum.
Therefore, if we review AGAIN, 1 & 2 above...now let's apply some speed to the fractions of a millisecond, nanoseconds speed...then we will get the desired effect of seeing these fields transfering, jumping from one steel core to the other, without interruptions.
This is exactly the effect we need to achieve to obtain the great output that NO transformer, No Generator could ever perform.
And I will go to another post to discuss about Coils BEMF... cause I do not want to make them too long, but precise and to the point.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
https://engineeringlearn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Lever-1-1024x539.jpg (https://engineeringlearn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Lever-1-1024x539.jpg)
https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula (https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/power-factor-formula)
" -1 /0/ +1 Power Factor " -Balance
-100 % 0 +100 %
BEMF FULCRUM EMF
ETA IDEAL : net-grid electricity provider
+100%/ -100% = 1
ETA IDEAL off-grid > IDEAL net-grid
+100%/ - 50% = 2
+100%/ - 25% = 4
+100%/ - 20% = 5
BEMF ETA
+100%/ - <20%= >5
ergo : battery/capacitor sourced circuit
or : one-way -/bypass -/filter- circuit
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Geez, it's been such a long time ago...
About BEMF in a Coil...my take, my research since 2012...and before...dating back to 1996...when I started my first Patent application about Motors-Generators of a different configuration...and yes, it was granted in 2000.
There has been a way to "capture" Coils BEMF in a very simple way...and by now, there are many electronic circuits which play with similar design scenarios.
My Motors designs got me to discover this way to do it...and so, I have started a Thread in Energetic Forum, and thanks God is still there...back in 2012.
I simplified that circuit in a short image, that I have used as my Logo, for many years up to now...I will upload it here.
Point is, I have conducted MANY, MANY Experiments, which proofs ALL I am saying here...Ahh, thanks we have YouTube!!....and those videos have a "Time Stamp" that absolutely no one, not even me, can change...to set time backwards...
Now, because this BEMF captured does NOT behave like "typical" Hot Electricity...as it moves MUCH MORE faster, as it does not cause the same "lethal" effects as HV/HA Electricity does...I called it "Radiant Energy"...or Cold Electricity...
In 2012 and further on, I conducted several experiments with this type of BEMF collected...or Radiant Energy, for example on video below, I used a specific and simple 555 timer with FET's that I built -from scratch- to drive a single coil...set Diodes the way shown on my Logo...and collected from the Blue side this Special BEMF, or Radiant Energy...and was abale to light a CFL Bulb (remember at that time they were still figuring out how to make Powerful LED's, but not available then...LOL
I added resistors to FULLY SHORT the Lamp circuit...and nothing happens...not even "warming up" the resistor....and you perfectly well know, than in "conventional" hot electricity, this resistor would have burnt right away...plus lamp will stop lighting.
Point is, that BEMF could be "manipulated" the way we desire...whether to store it (in special capacitors, any conventional Electrolytic Cap will blow up if you try....and I did... :) or do whatever you wish with it...
Video from 2012: RADIANT ENERGY/ COLD ELECTRICITY TEST 1 & 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc)
Regards
Ufopolitics
Qoute from Ufopolitics
"Like I have said before, there must be an "attenuation" in between on-off's, meaning a "fading on and a fading off" effect, in order that BEMF would be considerably reduced."
End of that quote
Agree...
The speed of motion (field expansion and / or collapse) is always a factor in the voltage induced.
Any one of You Guys, are familiar with Clemente Figuera's Generator (https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/patents/patent-44267-year-1908/) from 1908?
Figuera found a way to do this same, exact scenario, but by using a specific (it is said he had it made in Germany, back then) a Mechanical-Electrical Driver...
Well, I built that driver (still have it, and runs beautifully) as also experimented for a long time with different setups (videos available on my Chanel)...and even went further in the design of the cores...
Figuera used resistors in between commutation changing plates contacts, and it was basically to achieve that "Attenuation Effect" on the coils...so, it was not abrupts, steep, radical turning Off-On's...
Now, when I see this newer images of Holcomb's design, where we have TWO Virtual Rotating Rotors, one outside and one inside, "sanwhiched" with the Generator Coils-Cores in the middle...it immediately remind me of my previous concept...back in 2015-17...that I am uploading here...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Some observations:
Pierrie didn't have this slow rising/falling in his DZ generator. He posted a "scope" shot somewhere and you can see all the switching spikes in his scope trace.
Holcombs patent description doesn't state anything either about slowly rising and falling. The FETs are justed switch on/off.
Now, the slow rise and fall of the current could simply come from the inductor charging/discharging over the 3.2ohms series resistor. I haven't seen any mention of coil inductance values in his patents so we can only guess what his tau=L/R time is.
Quote from: Floor on March 25, 2022, 12:06:11 AM
There could be simplified models / experiments which can verify the effect ?
Of course!!...Yes, there are ways to experiment with this in a much simpler way...do not expect any "outrageous results", but for proof of concept it will work...
You can get an Universal Motor, like the ones Dremel's use, as some AC Power Drills (not battery powered)...which have stator windings (not permanent magnets) and brushed-commutator Armature-Rotor...
Then you could drive the brushes-commutator remotely with a smaller motor, while fixing the rotor (otherwise it will start to spin while being loose inside stator...LOL!!!
Of course, you will need to solder the armature coils to commutator contacts, with longer wires in the same sequence to a second commutator away from testing motor-generator...which you will run just the two brushes by the smaller motor...and feed it through continuous slip rings...
Feed small motor with a regulated PSU, and check output voltage in a Scope and a Meter....You will be surprised.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
I am very familiar with Clemente's generator. Followed all the various threads everywhere. There still is the discussion of whether the switching happened over resistors or whether they were actually (resistive) coils. The opinions vary about that.
Quote from: pmgr on March 25, 2022, 10:46:01 AM
I am very familiar with Clemente's generator. Followed all the various threads everywhere. There still is the discussion of whether the switching happened over resistors or whether they were actually (resistive) coils. The opinions vary about that.
Correct, I have used both ways...there was a guy in EF (a good friend of Bistander...LOL)...who designed some "Part C" which was based on a wound toroid...with contacts every certain # of loops...as the resistors, I got specific ones which can stand the spikes and have heat sinks mountings...
Cheers
What happens if we apply square wave to transformer?
A square wave is a combination of sine waves of various frequencies. So the transformer will resist those high frequency signals more.
More back EMF (impedance).
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Feb2006, curious to know where you are pulling those images from? VLCSnap, hmmm, screen shots of his videos?
Hello to All,
Well, thanks to PmgR, I just watched (for the first time) Pierre Cotnoir's videos 1 and 3 (missing#2), but just by watching #3 Video, is more than enough!!
Now...Cotnoir does the "proof of concept" very loud and very clearly!!
He gets to close the loop!!...
Do you need any more proof than this videos?
Or do you believe this is also "another fake"?
Did you look for "some miraculous" fine and transparent wires running under the table, feeding the whole thing??!!
And, yes, it is based on EXACTLY the same THEORY as Dr Holcomb...Rotating the Magnetic DC Fields!!
He uses relays instead of FET's, He uses an Arduino Board, instead of the PLC of Holcomb...a Microprocessor, period.
And of course, you will need a Bank of Supercaps so you could do the Loop, serving as a momentary storage to disconnect-reconnect power.
Can you all do the same thing with a Transformer?
Can You all do the same thing with a rotary generator?
The answer is a BIG NOPE, YOU CAN NOT!!
There is a very old proverb, an old saying...
"There is not worst blind...than those who do not want to see..."
I really do not have the time now...but, eventually I will continue my experiments, as I have almost everything required to do the testings.
I had learned over the years that it is NOT Good to "jump" from one experiment to the other...otherwise you will finish zero, none...
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
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Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 25, 2022, 09:33:54 AM
Hello to All,
I do have to disagree with some comments here...as I agree with others.
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Image did not show in quote. See Ufo's original post.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
In your image, graph of induction vs time, by induction do you refer to generated voltage in the conductors? I suspect so. Here is an image showing actual waveform. Also a link to the thread where I found it. You may find this interesting/helpful.
https://overunity.com/14020/parallel-core-generator/
bi
There is one more optional topology that has a higher tangential induction factor than the image on the right, see attached.
Regards,
Pm
Hello to all,
Hello Bistander, and thanks for sharing your graphic by Naudin, I will check on that link later on.
Yesterday I've spent the whole day, till late last night, reading the WHOLE 94 Pages from P. Cotnoir moderated board...amazing work done there by so many replicators, in particular by L192 as by Moderator Gotoluc...
I got an image from there, related to this "kind" of confusion related to Magnetic Fields Polarization versus Coils Induction...it says it all in just a couple of images.
Like Pierre said, so many times there...Please, concentrate how a typical rotary Generator WORKS!!!...Imagine the Rotational Fields...
As from there you will get all your answers...your solutions, and so "the works".
Regards
Ufopolitics
Here is an example of the induced current waveform with the topology in my previous post.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 10:51:55 AM
There is one more optional topology that has a higher tangential induction factor than the image on the right, see attached.
Regards,
Pm
Thanks. Can you explain 'tangential' induction?
bi
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 12:11:09 PM
Here is an example of the induced current waveform with the topology in my previous post.
Regards,
Pm
So, is this with the magnet moving through the center of the coil?
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 26, 2022, 11:19:37 AM
Hello to all,
Hello Bistander, and thanks for sharing your graphic by Naudin, I will check on that link later on.
Yesterday I've spent the whole day, till late last night, reading the WHOLE 94 Pages from P. Cotnoir moderated board...amazing work done there by so many replicators, in particular by L192 as by Moderator Gotoluc...
I got an image from there, related to this "kind" of confusion related to Magnetic Fields Polarization versus Coils Induction...it says it all in just a couple of images.
Like Pierre said, so many times there...Please, concentrate how a typical rotary Generator WORKS!!!...Imagine the Rotational Fields...
As from there you will get all your answers...your solutions, and so "the works".
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Your graphic agrees with Naudin's example on the left side of the image which I posted except having greater interpolar distance, doesn't it?
bi
edit:
Looking at it some more, maybe not. I'd like to see the topology. Can you provide a link to your source, Ufo? Thanks.
2nd edit:
OK. Thinking further on it, I think Naudin's signal train is generated from all N poles passing the coil and Ufo's graphic is N, S, N, S ....
Quote from: bistander on March 26, 2022, 12:20:05 PM
Thanks. Can you explain 'tangential' induction?
bi
The center line of the induction coil is tangential to the PM flux field.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: bistander on March 26, 2022, 12:27:03 PM
So, is this with the magnet moving through the center of the coil?
bi
The magnet moves left-to-right or right-to-left at a right angle to the center line of the induction coil.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 12:49:04 PM
The magnet moves left-to-right or right-to-left at a right angle to the center line of the induction coil.
Regards,
Pm
So motion is not in the direction of the arrow? But perpendicular to the arrow?
bi
Quote from: bistander on March 26, 2022, 01:00:40 PM
So motion is not in the direction of the arrow? But perpendicular to the arrow?
bi
Yes, that is correct. I should have changed that arrow and showed the proper direction on the graphic.
The advantage of this topology over what Naudin showed is the larger ratio of the areas above and below the zero reference line and in these examples, the positive and negative areas respectively.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 12:11:09 PM
Here is an example of the induced current waveform with the topology in my previous post.
Regards,
Pm
You give the shape of the current in the coil.
And what forces act between a short-circuited coil and a magnet moving past it?
I don't see anything new or extraordinary in Holcomb setup.
I will put this into points.
Device construction and operation.
1.In the picture "setup" middle part- it is regular 4 pole stator from squirrel cage 3 phase motor. It might be double winding, it is hard to see. I assume in that stator windings there are induced output currents from that device. That kind of winding is called "distributed". Inside , in the place of rotor, we see mechanically locked slotted iron core with concentrated windings, 16 of them. Outside we see another stator core , also with concentrated windings, 16 of them.
2. The principle of operation is to energize simultanously inner and outer concentrated coils, by pairs, then next pair, ans so on- to create rotating magnetic field vector. This rotating magnetic field vector is cutting middle stator coils from 3 phase motor, and induces EMF in them. This rotating magnetic field vector is created by control circuit that is switching power to the inner/outer coil pairs. Energizing of inner/outer coil pairs in this particular build needs to be done in 4 pole way.
Induced EMF=B x L x v x sin (alpha) , B- intensity of magnetic field created by pair of inner/outer coils , L- summary active length of middle stator coils , v- speed of magnetic vector rotation.
3.On the picture "lock screws" you could see that inner core shaft is locked with a lock screws to the frame . I bet that inner core is custom cut from regular squirrel cage rotor. That gives me a clue that there may be some torque on that inner core during operation.
My thoughts.
1. The same kind of rotating "DC" magnetic vector we can get without such sophisphicated switching technique, simply by use of balanced 3 phase signals ( 120 deg out of phase). Tesla did it over 2 centuries ago. Some people on this forum still can't understand that by combining 3 balanced sinusoidal signals with the coils separated 120 deg on the stator circumference- as result we will get a rotating constant value magnetic vector, some say rotating "DC magnetic field". 3 x AC magnetic field IN = 1 DC rotating magnetic field OUT. Magic, isn't it? ;)
2. Holcomb device looks the same like typical permanent magnet generators people do for wind projects. They modify regular 3 phase squirrel cage motor by inserting permanent magnets on the rotor. Magnets are positioned on the rotor in a slotted way to minimise magnetic "drag" when magnets are facing iron poles. The only difference is that in such PM generators rotors are physically rotated by wind. In Holcomb device, there is no mechanical rotation of the rotor, but switching coil pairs to create rotation of "virtual permanent magnets". In both cases there is energy input- in PM generators it is mechanical energy to turn the rotor with permanent magnets, in Holcomb's there is used electrical energy to energize and switch coil pairs to create rotating PM vector.
3. Holcomb device resembles "locking rotor" regime of 3 phase motor. Sometimes electricians describe AC motors as "rotating transformer". If you lock shaft of 3 phase squirrel cage motor and switch on 3 phase current, rotating magnetic field will induce huge EMF and currents in the rotor aluminium "cage coils", according to exactly the same formula E=B x L x v x sin (alpha). Better do such a test for a short time, othervise high temperature generated by rotor cage coils will burn stator windings. If instead of squirrel cage AC motor we would use a slip ring AC motor with wound rotor- then when we energize that motor with locked shaft we would utilise induced EMF in locked rotor coils to external load. But this would be just normal transformer work, no OU there.
Given all above similiarities, I don't see why and from what kind of magic Holcomb device would give more energy out than he puts in.
I don't see any mechanism of energy gain.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: kolbacict on March 26, 2022, 03:36:19 PM
You give the shape of the current in the coil.
And what forces act between a short-circuited coil and a magnet moving past it?
This depends on the circuit topology. With a shorted air coil, there will be a slight Lenz effect produced. With a constant current on the air coil, there will be no Lenz effect. With a tracking constant voltage sink on the air coil, there will also be no Lenz effect.
With a cored coil in either of the above conditions, there will be a Lenz effect however, the resulting torque forces can be cancelled with proper PM fields on the opposite end of the rotor. This is simplified but gives the overall general basics.
Regards,
Pm
In My Honest Opinion:
I really do not see the point -at all- to keep arguing with anyone who do not, plain and simple, denies, to open their minds to see beyond their limited schooling and education, even if we are talking about a University Degree in Electrical Engineering...or even a PHD in EE Science...I really could not care less which of which!!
It is wasting and wearing both of our times in the process.
All I can say - again- I have seen these systems working, and they do work, and it was not "yesterday" but a long time ago...before Pierre Cotnoir put together his DZ Generator in 2018...and I have all the proof there is.
But debating with people who do not want to accept "the difference" I consider a waste of time.
Basically in a place like this, called OVERUNITY
Where we all should be -at least- OPEN MINDED for new or even old inventions and ideas of disclosed methods that were not tought in Engineering Classes...
Being a stubborn and stock with whatever you've learned will never get you to overunity, ever...it was "designed" to do exactly that...deny and deny anything that even smells to OU.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
UFO: I have to agree with what you say. I would like to hear more about what you have seen as a working OU device.
Pix: How many sets of coils do you see in the Holcomb generator you posted? I see a rotor, stator, and a third set on the very outside. What is the function of this third set?
Anybody have an answer?
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
UFO: I have to agree with what you say. I would like to hear more about what you have seen as a working OU device.
Pix: How many sets of coils do you see in the Holcomb generator you posted? I see a rotor, stator, and a third set on the very outside. What is the function of this third set?
Anybody have an answer?
Regards,
Pm
Hello Partzman,
Thanks man, and I have to recognize your help as contributions to the Pierre Cotnoir Thread as to Gotocuc build!!
You will see it soon, I have asked Stefan to either add me as a second Moderator to that Thread, or to make me a new one, where I will help previous builders to redo, basically their coils set up...where I see there is a problem, as why they get such low Induction.
This Systems do not need the higher RPM's in a virtual field as we utilize in a massive rotating armature...for a generator...and talking in Hertz Frequencies (Cycle/Time)...
Related to your question on the Holcomb image...I am pretty sure that's the outer Stationary Rotor, similar to the way Cotnoir used as his outrunner rotor.
Take a closer look at the way it is wound...one (Thicker coil than inner) per pole notch, but aligned spatially.
So, when you "sandwhich" the Output Core-Coils in between Two Static Rotors, the Induction would be huge, much higher than just one static rotor...as they should also be in sync related to virtual spinning...Something that can never, ever, be done with a rotary, conventional generator...think about it.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Still, I see no simplified explanation of, or theory of operation presented here.
Does someone have one ?
Three coils...
Quote from: Floor on March 26, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
Still, I see no simplified explanation of, or theory of operation presented here.
Does someone have one ?
Three coils...
Hello floor,
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=drehstrom (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=drehstrom)
f.e.: https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dreiphasenwechselstrom?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dreiphasenwechselstrom?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Colloquially, the three-phase alternating current is referred to as heavy current , which is incorrect or at least imprecise.
[2] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dreiphasenwechselstrom?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp#cite_note-2) The name is understandable from the fact
that twice the electrical power (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elektrische_Leistung?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) can be transported as with single-phase alternating current with the same amount of material.The three-phase system
is mainly used in the field of electrical energy technology (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elektrische_Energietechnik?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) for the transport and distribution of electrical energy (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elektrische_Energie?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) in power grids (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Stromnetz?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) . Examples of this are the national three-phase high-voltage transmission networks (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Drehstrom-Hochspannungs-%C3%9Cbertragung?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) , low (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Niederspannungsnetz?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) -voltage networks in the area of local power supply or three- phase (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Drehstrommaschine?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) machines that are used to drive elevators (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Aufzugsanlage?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) or in electrically powered vehicles (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elektrofahrzeug?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) .
happy Sunday wishing
OCWL
Quote from: Floor on March 26, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
Still, I see no simplified explanation of, or theory of operation presented here.
Does someone have one ?
Hello Floor,
I believe I have explained it before...but is ok, my pleasure to explain in more detail.
Honestly, I find it so simple, that I do not see it as that hard to understand...
It does not affect -at all- Faraday Law of Induction...same parameters apply without absolutely any change...
For better understanding, let me brake it down in two parts, a Physical and a Virtual .
The Physical Switching consist of single coils which are connected isolated into series of Pairs, set at 180º apart across (whether output stator is inside or outside), and here the "Higher the Resolution" (as Pierre Cotnoir mentioned), the more compact of a field we will have...Higher Resolution meaning higher number of coils around the 360º, to then nbe divided in Groups, depending on the total number of poles we are working with...say in a 36 poles rotor we choose six groups of six independently excited coils, so each group will have 60º, as each coil have around 10º.
Meaning we have Six Groups which are going to be switching NNNNNN-SSSSSS-NNNNNN-SSSSSS-NNNNNN-SSSSSS spread along the 360º every 60º
Now to start the Virtual Rotation we start reversing three pairs of two single coils simultaneously @ 120º apart...and so on and on...
And the point here is to switch only
one single coil per group at a time, this way
the magnetic field of each group will never collapse.Realize that whenever we magnetize a full group of individual coils, next to each others, at the same time, we generate a Single Field,, whether North or South.
The Virtual displacement of the Main Group of Fields is a consequence of above individual coils reverse switching, actually, since we are not allowing the Main Group Field to collapse, it just makes a Spatial Jump to the next level, in this case every 10º and 180º apart...
If you look at the image below...it may help to understand the geometry here...
Hope you understand it
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hello II,
What is the difference between alternating current and three-phase current?
https://ladefragen-de.translate.goog/28/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://ladefragen-de.translate.goog/28/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Image result for three-phase current The only difference between alternating current and three-phase current is that three-phase current consists of three alternating currents (L1, L2, L3). These are 120 degrees out of phase. So three-phase current is twisted alternating current.
07/28/2021 Direct current, alternating current and three-phase current: What is that actually?
For VA and VAr power,related DC or Direct Current, the difference to observe and apply ! :
https://ladefragen-de.translate.goog/43/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://ladefragen-de.translate.goog/43/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-gFgnG7XU8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-gFgnG7XU8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOS5Id0OcKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOS5Id0OcKk) and all other right side explaining audio-vid´s
f.e. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSQO0Y2b2oo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSQO0Y2b2oo)
an asymetrical tri-phase to symetrical tri-phase
to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphase_system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphase_system)
an asymetrical poly-phase > tri- to symetrical poly-phase > tri-
by Tri-to POLY-angulation of Power Factor Tri- to POLY-angle
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=power+factor+triangle (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=power+factor+triangle)
to finally : PWM Power
https://www.vishay.com/resistors/pulse-energy-calculator/ (https://www.vishay.com/resistors/pulse-energy-calculator/)
here explained for example by P. Kanarev https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kanarev+pulse+power (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kanarev+pulse+power)
more:
https://www.google.com/search?q=electrical+pulse+power&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBvabj791bZKCcJ9ZWweqNNnFhWGqg%3A1648350356634&ei=lNQ_Yq-nJoKzsAfJgIjACg&oq=electric+pulse+power&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQBxAeMggIABAIEAcQHjIICAAQCBAHEB4yCAgAEAgQBxAeMggIABAIEAcQHjIICAAQCBAKEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjoHCCMQsAMQJzoECAAQQzoKCAAQCBAHEAoQHkoECEEYAUoECEYYAFCLClixNWC8R2gBcAB4AIABbYgBhQySAQQyLjEzmAEAoAEByAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz (https://www.google.com/search?q=electrical+pulse+power&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBvabj791bZKCcJ9ZWweqNNnFhWGqg%3A1648350356634&ei=lNQ_Yq-nJoKzsAfJgIjACg&oq=electric+pulse+power&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQBxAeMggIABAIEAcQHjIICAAQCBAHEB4yCAgAEAgQBxAeMggIABAIEAcQHjIICAAQCBAKEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjoHCCMQsAMQJzoECAAQQzoKCAAQCBAHEAoQHkoECEEYAUoECEYYAFCLClixNWC8R2gBcAB4AIABbYgBhQySAQQyLjEzmAEAoAEByAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz)
making part :
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=plasma+current (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=plasma+current)
here "current" as "actual" ;)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=fermilab+current (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=fermilab+current)
https://www.google.com/search?q=fermilab+&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBtq64VMp1sOXDKhOc_4O1nZ8QKntQ%3A1648350728473&ei=CNY_YrfNHIe4lwS4y7iwDA&ved=0ahUKEwi38Yr9qOX2AhUH3IUKHbglDsYQ4dUDCA0&oq=fermilab+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBAgjECcyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFDiEFiAFmCpL2gBcAF4AIABbYgB3gWSAQMwLjeYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz (https://www.google.com/search?q=fermilab+&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBtq64VMp1sOXDKhOc_4O1nZ8QKntQ%3A1648350728473&ei=CNY_YrfNHIe4lwS4y7iwDA&ved=0ahUKEwi38Yr9qOX2AhUH3IUKHbglDsYQ4dUDCA0&oq=fermilab+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBAgjECcyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIECAAQHjoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFDiEFiAFmCpL2gBcAF4AIABbYgB3gWSAQMwLjeYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tevatron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tevatron)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_beyond_the_Standard_Model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_beyond_the_Standard_Model)
GRT SRT ART ( A = Absolute Relativity Theory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarity_(physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarity_(physics))
wmbr
OCWL
@partzman et al,
The inner part is a rotor consisting of 16 poles.
The outer part is also a rotor consisting of 16 poles.
The poles of inner and outer rotor are aligned and reinforcing when biased.
These 16 poles are grouped in 4 groups of each 4 neighboring poles,
leading to an overall rotor pattern of 4 magnetic poles (N-S-N-S)
The center part is the stator with 36 slots. Since we have 4 poles on the rotors,
we have 4 groups for each phase on the stator.
Each group has 3 coils in series. The coils are lapped with a span of 6, so e.g. 1-7.
This is the slot assignment for the rotor.
x-y means a single coil sitting in slot x (left side of coil) and slot y (right side of coil)
(x1-y1,x2-y2,x3-y3) means these three coils are wired in series
Phase 1 group 1: ( 1-7, 2-8, 3-9 ) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 2: (10-16, 11-17, 12-18) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 3: (19-25, 20-26, 21-27) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 4: (28-34, 29-35, 30-36) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 1: (13-19, 14-20, 15-21) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 2: (22-28, 23-29, 24-30) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 3: (31-1 , 32-2 , 33-3 ) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 4: ( 4-10, 5-11, 6-12) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 1: (25-31, 26-32, 27-33) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 2: (34-4, 35-5, 36-6 ) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 3: ( 7-13, 8-14, 9-15) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 4: (16-22, 17-23, 18-24) facing S pole of rotor
For each phase, coils in groups are wired in series as group1 - group2 + group3 - group4 (N-S-N-S)
@LancaIV
If you insist on posting noise, the least you can do is to keep your lines short so that it doesn't mess up the formatting of everyone else and we don't have to scroll all the way to the right to find the reply button.
Thank you!
unconventional noise output applications ;) :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
DE8901215 Magneton
https://www.britannica.com/technology/magneton (https://www.britannica.com/technology/magneton)
DE8813063
~ https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#)
related #142 :)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=3804440A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19890209&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=3804440A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19890209&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
wmbr
OCWL
btw : application,B1 = Award : EP PATENT ! 1993 the decision published !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19931006&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0367760B1&KC=B1&ND=4# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19931006&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0367760B1&KC=B1&ND=4#)
The physical manifestations and phenomena of permanent and electromagnetism,
in particular the attraction of unequal and repulsion of like magnetic poles, induction and the magnetic field are theories that are based on experimental,
electrodynamic and mathematical evidence of laws such as those of Ampère, Coulomb, Faraday , Gauss, Lenz, Lorentz, Maxwell and Oersted.
The Unitarity(Physics)-Model,to ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewissheit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewissheit)
ABSOLUTE RATIO, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_fidei (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_fidei)
optical demonstrator about laws apply and the orders( pleni-/magni-tude )
EE and Mandelbrot Fractale abstract to concrete and wise-/vice-versa reflection by 'Licht-/Welle-Brechung'
typo : wipping balance
EE and https://www-ingenieurkurse-de.translate.goog/physik/kraftwandler/hebel/zweiseitiger-hebel.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-ingenieurkurse-de.translate.goog/physik/kraftwandler/hebel/zweiseitiger-hebel.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) relationship,conditio : fulcrum ~ Dreh-/Angel-Punkt or 0-point
in equity&tribunal law : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg/220px-HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg/220px-HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/El_pesado_del_coraz%C3%B3n_en_el_Papiro_de_Hunefer.jpg/220px-El_pesado_del_coraz%C3%B3n_en_el_Papiro_de_Hunefer.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/El_pesado_del_coraz%C3%B3n_en_el_Papiro_de_Hunefer.jpg/220px-El_pesado_del_coraz%C3%B3n_en_el_Papiro_de_Hunefer.jpg)
Ius : Iustitia et Prudentia et Iudiciaria
Mother Nature their wheel/s the giro ::) gear and impulse,steady,nonstop
Quote from: Floor on March 26, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
Still, I see no simplified explanation of, or theory of operation presented here.
Does someone have one ?
Three coils...
Hi Floor,
Yes, it is basically Holcomb setup. Nothing fancy.
1. Outer coils (green and blue) are : blue-locked rotor concentrated winding (16 pcs), green- outer stator concentrated winding (16 pcs) . Middle coil mangenta(?)- it is 3 phase motor stator with distributed windings, 4 pole.
2.So outer/inner concentrated windings pair are pulsed by control circuit , then next pair and so on to create rotating magnetic vector that induces EMF in middle stator windings.
That's all.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: partzman on March 26, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
UFO: I have to agree with what you say. I would like to hear more about what you have seen as a working OU device.
Pix: How many sets of coils do you see in the Holcomb generator you posted? I see a rotor, stator, and a third set on the very outside. What is the function of this third set?
Anybody have an answer?
Regards,
Pm
Partzman.
I already explained it in my previous post with a pictures.
3 ferromagnetic cores.
In the centre there is a locked rotor with 16 concentrated coils- then outside is a stator with another 16 concentrated coils. Those two are generating rotating magnetic vector, controller is pulsing adjacent concentrated coil pairs one pair a time I guess, to create rotating magnetic vector.
Between them we have a middle stator with distrubuted coils, it is regular stator from 3 phase motor. Here in that middle stator rotating magnetic vector is inducing EMF, from that windings we take generated power.
Simple like that.
Holcomb setup is mimicking Permanent Magnet generator or normal 3 phase motor with permanent magnets attached to the rotor.
Only difference- no need for mechanical rotation of the rotor, Holcomb creates magnetic field rotation by control circuit pulsing inner/outer cconcentrated coil pair pulsing.
I don't see anything extraordinary in that setup, neither a reason to be OU.
Cheers,
Pix
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf
...In comparison, the HES alignst the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and
relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds (250Hz) . Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
The key = relaxes
JUST TRYING TO GRASP IT ALL.
THIS INVENTION CAN BE VERY EASILY FURTHER ENHANCE BY MARRYING THIS GREAT INVENTION
TOGETHER. IT WILL TAKE A PURE GENIUS TO DO SO. https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 06:07:36 AM
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf (https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf)
...In comparison, the HES alignst the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and
relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds (250Hz) . Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
The key = relaxes
Magnetization and demagnetization of ferromagnetic material may be this novelity in Holcomb? :o
Every flyback and boost converter is doing this.
If we want talk about energy gain, we should talk about utilisation of non linear region of magnetization curve, and only that region- then yes, there is amplification there. But I don't see it in Holcomb setup. For that nonlinearity we should use very soft magnetic material with small demagnetization losses. Such material should have high saturation point, above 1,5Tesla and very narrow hysteresis, nanoperm would be good.
And device should operate only in that nonlinear region, not going into saturation region.
In my opinion better device to utilise gain from nonlinearity od ferromagnetic material would be a flyback converter.
With a large ratio of primary to secondary, like 1:100 it would take a very small magnetizing current to magnetize ferromagnetic core with a few primary turns (without BEMF from secondary during magnetization part "ON") , and during "OFF" time collapsing magnetic field is acting upon 100 times more windings. Some air gap in the magnetic path of such flyback would be beneficial to increase energy level stored in magnetic field.
Cheers.
Pix
Quote from: seychelles on March 27, 2022, 06:29:22 AM
THIS INVENTION CAN BE VERY EASILY FURTHER ENHANCE BY MARRYING THIS GREAT INVENTION
TOGETHER. IT WILL TAKE A PURE GENIUS TO DO SO. https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html)
Hello to Praislin and elsewhere,
Taking their Genius,multiple motors and/or generators on 1 shaft :
Ernie Esters,U.S.A.
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz-Spule (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz-Spule)
https://www.britannica.com/science/Helmholtz-resonator
I see it's quieter at ( less interruptions /FE noise / tonnage??)
And no sneakers needed to run back and forth to read the page ( do to oversized images posted repeatedly in this thread)
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831)
If the Holcomb devices work, it must use a power source such as some fuel. There's no other way. No spinning the magnetic field will do anything.
It is only needed to perform the conversion of energy into other energy. A possible version is iron conversion. He also writes about it.
The magnetic field is only needed for the conversion process and is frequency and power dependent for iron.
This is similar to NMR but only for a given process.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 10:32:30 AM
If the Holcomb devices work, it must use a power source such as some fuel. There's no other way. No spinning the magnetic field will do anything.
It is only needed to perform the conversion of energy into other energy. A possible version is iron conversion. He also writes about it.
The magnetic field is only needed for the conversion process and is frequency and power dependent for iron.
This is similar to NMR but only for a given process.
https://overunity.com/13165/the-true-tesla-coil/msg554012/#msg554012 (https://overunity.com/13165/the-true-tesla-coil/msg554012/#msg554012)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
Method and apparatus for converting energy from the surroundings into electric energy.
The invention relates to a method for converting .kinetic energy present in the surroundings into electric energy, in which the kinetic energy is converted by means of magnetic flux variations, brought about in or near an electrical conductor, into electric energy in said electrical conductor. Preferably use is made of kinetic energy, which is present in the surroundings in the form of magnetic energy to generate an electromotive force in the electrical conductor.
The invention also relates to an apparatus for converting kinetic energy present in the surroundings into electric energy, which apparatus is provided with an electrical conductor and means for generating magnetic flux variations in or near an electrical conductor, for generating from the kinetic energy present in the surroundings, into electric energy in the electrical conductor. Preferably, from the kinetic energy, present in the surroundings in the form of magnetic energy, an electromotive force is generated in the electrical conductor.
It is known from the physics of particles that gravitons can convert, inter alia, into photons as they pass through space and matter, as a result of which energy is released. These photons occur both in space and in matter and they represent energy, i.e. kinetic energy. Said photons, inter alia, determine the mutual interaction between electrons, and said electrons can b.oth emit and receive photons. As is known also
electron spin moments can be directed in a material by the technique of permanent magnetization, as a result of which kinetic particles, among which photons, released also start to flow through the material in a direction, the so-called magnetization direction. The disturbed energetic balance is restored by a field of kinetic particles in the surroundings of the material directed along the known magnetic field lines outside the material.
Likewise in the case of an electron current through an electrical conductor, a flow of kinetic particles flowing along the magnetic lines of force will likewise be produced outside or around the conductor. By winding the electrical conductor into the form of a coil , a flow of particles can likewise be produced which is comparable to the flow of particles in the case of a permanent magnet and so a concentrated field of particles is obtained. In the method and apparatus of present invention use is made of abovementioned phenomenon, in which<'> the external field of kinetic particles is influenced such that the energy thereof is absorbed in an electrical conductor. This absorption of kinetic particles energy, among which also heat, can be obtained by means of the application of a suitable stationary magnetic field and/or a variable magnetic field.
For example, by varying or pulsing the electron current through the electrical conductor in the current direction at high frequency, the photon field, which compensates for the balance around the conductor, becomes active to such an extent that photons are absorbed from the surroundings into the electrons in the electrical conductor. As a result, energy is taken up from said surroundings into said electron current. https://www-maschinenbau--wissen-de.translate.goog/skript3/werkstofftechnik/metall/3-kristallstruktur?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-maschinenbau--wissen-de.translate.goog/skript3/werkstofftechnik/metall/3-kristallstruktur?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Holcomb pulsing controller process ?
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: pmgr on March 26, 2022, 11:30:07 PM
@partzman et al,
The inner part is a rotor consisting of 16 poles.
The outer part is also a rotor consisting of 16 poles.
The poles of inner and outer rotor are aligned and reinforcing when biased.
These 16 poles are grouped in 4 groups of each 4 neighboring poles,
leading to an overall rotor pattern of 4 magnetic poles (N-S-N-S)
The center part is the stator with 36 slots. Since we have 4 poles on the rotors,
we have 4 groups for each phase on the stator.
Each group has 3 coils in series. The coils are lapped with a span of 6, so e.g. 1-7.
This is the slot assignment for the rotor.
x-y means a single coil sitting in slot x (left side of coil) and slot y (right side of coil)
(x1-y1,x2-y2,x3-y3) means these three coils are wired in series
Phase 1 group 1: ( 1-7, 2-8, 3-9 ) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 2: (10-16, 11-17, 12-18) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 3: (19-25, 20-26, 21-27) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 1 group 4: (28-34, 29-35, 30-36) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 1: (13-19, 14-20, 15-21) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 2: (22-28, 23-29, 24-30) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 3: (31-1 , 32-2 , 33-3 ) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 2 group 4: ( 4-10, 5-11, 6-12) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 1: (25-31, 26-32, 27-33) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 2: (34-4, 35-5, 36-6 ) facing S pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 3: ( 7-13, 8-14, 9-15) facing N pole of rotor
Phase 3 group 4: (16-22, 17-23, 18-24) facing S pole of rotor
For each phase, coils in groups are wired in series as group1 - group2 + group3 - group4 (N-S-N-S)
Hi PmgR,
You were right in the first part, until you wrote the bold sentence by me: "
Each Group has three coils in series"...and so, from there on, the explanation is not right.
That is incorrect, each group has Four (4) Coils in series.
This is all about understanding Spatial Geometry...in this setups...
We do not need to be "required" to use any specific configuration of number of poles...as long as we can combine Pairs in series of single coils all along the 360º circumference.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
lancaIV: Patents do not confirm that this is true, and such a device only works that way. In the future, if someone does it, maybe.
You know how many patents of this type are there, right. How many real devices are there?
One thing is for sure, it must be a conversion.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 10:32:30 AM
If the Holcomb devices work, it must use a power source such as some fuel. There's no other way. No spinning the magnetic field will do anything.
It is only needed to perform the conversion of energy into other energy. A possible version is iron conversion. He also writes about it.
The magnetic field is only needed for the conversion process and is frequency and power dependent for iron.
This is similar to NMR but only for a given process.
You are dead wrong pal...period.
No "Fuel" is used here, except for the "Fuel" of DC Magnetic Field GHOSTS DANCING IN A CIRCULAR MOTION... ;D
Ufopolitics
Quote from: ramset on March 27, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
I see it's quieter at ( less interruptions /FE noise / tonnage??)
And no sneakers needed to run back and forth to read the page ( do to oversized images posted repeatedly in this thread)
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831)
Hello Chet,
The fact pages stretch and you need sneakers to run back and forth...is not due just to oversized images...now, on this page we still have to run quarter mile to reach right end...
It is the copied and pasted links here, by Ianca, with a specific longer format that our editor can not correct automatically...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 06:07:36 AM
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf (https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Technical-Summary.pdf)
...In comparison, the HES alignst the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and
relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds (250Hz) . Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
The key = relaxes
Wrong again...
The "key" is not any relaxation...anywhere.
Every Pair of Coils from each Group are REVERSING POLARIZATION on a timely bases.
In a Four Group set, Two Pairs of Coils are reversing polarity simultaneously...
In a Six Group of Coils Three Pairs are reversing polarity at unison.
There is absolutely
NO COILS COLLAPSING TO ZERO -IN STATIONARY ROTORS- AT ANY POINT OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION HERE!!!So no "relaxation" but reversal of domains at molecular steel levels.
At the same token, these constant reversals do not allow steel cores to saturate ever...magnetically.
It keeps constantly "cleaning domains arrangement" from only one directional orientation to develop at the millisecond level of time.
Ufopolitics
THE ONLY START UP "SETTINGS" ON THIS TYPE OF GENERATORS:
The only requirement whenever starting these type of generators -from cold- (after long periods of inactivity)- is to start first at a low "idle" speed...to start "waking up" all randomly set steel alignments...which set them in the reversal axis spatial positioning, ready for higher speeds...
Something similar to what we need to do whenever starting an ICE farting machine...idle at low speed to get the right temperatures on metals, plus allow oil pump to grease all rotating components...
except that the time for these generators in only a couple of minutes.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 27, 2022, 11:07:51 AM
Hi PmgR,
You were right in the first part, until you wrote the bold sentence by me: "Each Group has three coils in series"...and so, from there on, the explanation is not right.
That is incorrect, each group has Four (4) Coils in series.
This is all about understanding Spatial Geometry...in this setups...
We do not need to be "required" to use any specific configuration of number of poles...as long as we can combine Pairs in series of single coils all along the 360º circumference.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@Ufopolitics
My write up is correct. I think you probably overlooked the very last line.
For each phase, coils in groups are wired in series as group1 - group2 + group3 - group4 (N-S-N-S)For each phase, each group 1-4 is in series as well. So total of 12 coils per phase in series. Each group 1-4 of course in proper polarity to match the rotors (N-S-N-S) and have the induction effects add up instead of cancel out.
Series 3 stator coils.
Distributed windings.
Quote from: ramset on March 27, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
I see it's quieter at ( less interruptions /FE noise / tonnage??)
And no sneakers needed to run back and forth to read the page ( do to oversized images posted repeatedly in this thread)
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831 (http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/509697-holcomb-energy-systems-the-holy-grail-may-have-arrived#post509831)
Please send lancaIV to addiction rehab. ;D
Guy is on something.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 27, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
Wrong again...
The "key" is not any relaxation...anywhere.
Every Pair of Coils from each Group are REVERSING POLARIZATION on a timely bases.
In a Four Group set, Two Pairs of Coils are reversing polarity simultaneously...
In a Six Group of Coils Three Pairs are reversing polarity at unison.
There is absolutely NO COILS COLLAPSING TO ZERO -IN STATIONARY ROTORS- AT ANY POINT OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION HERE!!!
So no "relaxation" but reversal of domains at molecular steel levels.
At the same token, these constant reversals do not allow steel cores to saturate ever...magnetically.
It keeps constantly "cleaning domains arrangement" from only one directional orientation to develop at the millisecond level of time.
Ufopolitics
1. Field reversal means going through ZERO. That means field collapsing. And yes- ferromagnetic material domains changing it's orientation :)
2. Please explain mechanismo of gain.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on March 27, 2022, 12:18:18 PM
1. Field reversal means going through ZERO. That means field collapsing. And yes- ferromagnetic material domains changing it's orientation :)
2. Please explain mechanismo of gain.
Cheers,
Pix
1- If we are talking about fractions of miliseconds taken in the reversal time, from positive to negative as neg to pos...then can you figure out the timing that it takes to "pass" by the zero line?
Answer: The time passing by zero line is such small fraction of time, that in our Scientific Community, we call it to "disregard it"... ;D
2- Sure, if you can imagine FIRST, the rotation of a massless, weightless, entity which can go through steel and copper in zero time, and cut it like a knife does to air...without absolutely any obstruction...
Versus moving 50 pounds of steel and copper to do just the same exact, operation...
Thing here is that that "ENTITY" called Magnetic Field can reach speeds that never any mass body could ever reach...
Can you analyze and compare?
Good enough?
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 27, 2022, 11:12:33 AM
You are dead wrong pal...period.
No "Fuel" is used here, except for the "Fuel" of DC Magnetic Field GHOSTS DANCING IN A CIRCULAR MOTION... ;D
Ufopolitics
Maybe so, but you have nothing but your words.
....The "key" is not any relaxation...anywhere.... It depends on what we mean by relaxation.
I have worked with Pierre.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 01:13:15 PM
Maybe so, but you have nothing but your words.
Please allow me to Laugh Out Loud... ;D ...or ROTFLMAO
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 01:13:15 PMI have worked with Pierre.
Great!!!...so maybe you could reveal "his secrets" here....hahahahahahahahaha
Oh, this was funny!! ;D
Ufopolitics:
You're a funny guy.
You have been standing in the place for a long time. Don't move because it may fall.
You probably believe in UFOs and Santa Claus.
Uhahahaha
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 27, 2022, 12:38:17 PM
1- If we are talking about fractions of miliseconds taken in the reversal time, from positive to negative as neg to pos...then can you figure out the timing that it takes to "pass" by the zero line?
Answer: The time passing by zero line is such small fraction of time, that in our Scientific Community, we call it to "disregard it"... ;D
2- Sure, if you can imagine FIRST, the rotation of a massless, weightless, entity which can go through steel and copper in zero time, and cut it like a knife does to air...without absolutely any obstruction...
Versus moving 50 pounds of steel and copper to do just the same exact, operation...
Thing here is that that "ENTITY" called Magnetic Field can reach speeds that never any mass body could ever reach...
Can you analyze and compare?
Good enough?
Cheers
Ufopolitics
1. "Disregard it because you think it is happening a short time ". :D it is not working like that. What is enough of short time to disregard it, in your opinion?? Milisecond? Microsecond? I think you are joking. Also, typical Si-based laminated ferromagnetic steel do not like quick pulsed signals, typical AC motor stator and rotor are done from "transformer steel" laminations and they are working good at 50-60Hz. Increase in frequency increases eddy current losses and produces a heat, and abrupt changes are chocked because solenoids do not like abrupt changes of current. In Holcomb device I see regular stator from 3 phase motor, made from laminated silocone based "transformer steel".
2....and you have a transformer :D . Flipping domains by "massless, weightless entity". No mater how fast you are going to do this flipping, Lenz law applies plus core losses.
The same situation happens when you put slip ring AC motor with wound rotor in "locked rotor" mode of operation. You have also "massless, weightless entity cutting through the steel and copper", no physical rotation. And it is eqiuvalent of transformer operation, nobody claimed any OU there ;)
Cheers,
Pix
Pix: I agree 1,2
There is a lot of confidence that Holcomb is a scam. Looking for sponsors.
Seriously now... 8)
I found a while back a glitch on the previous Diagram I posted from Holcomb Patent, as also member Bistander did, and brought it to my attention on EF...
So here are the errors outlined in red circles, as they look shorted out by adding the white dots (white connection circles)...
But, basically this is also to see clearly how Two Coils are exactly paired at 180º and driven by just one chanel.
I outlined Coils 8 and 16, apart by 180º, as connected to CH 8
Now, it seems Coils Pairs are connected in Parallel between them...then running to Chanels -/+ ...However, this Chanels are reversing polarity every 180º turn.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
Pix: I agree 1,2
There is a lot of confidence that Holcomb is a scam. Looking for sponsors.
Oui, messie, sil vous plait...
If Holcomb is a Scam...then your friend's Pierre Cotnoir DZ Generator was also a Scam?
What's the difference?...except a different config, but same, exact principle?
Au revoir... ;D
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 27, 2022, 02:13:08 PM
Oui, messie, sil vous plait...
If Holcomb is a Scam...then your friend's Pierre Cotnoir DZ Generator was also a Scam?
What's the difference?...except a different config, but same, exact principle?
Au revoir... ;D
You think plugging one coil into another will give you OU. Hahahaa
You can't prove anything. Only blablabla
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 02:22:19 PM
You think plugging one coil into another will give you OU. Hahahaa
You can't prove anything. Only blablabla
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 01:13:15 PMMaybe so, but you have nothing but your words.
Messie, sil vous plait...
See that image below?...it dates back to August 2016, ...when you and your friend Pierre Cotnoir were still learning about magnetic fields... ;D
So, keep believing I got nothing but "my words", "nothing in my hands"...
Just to mention something "slightly" over Cotnoir Setup...
He was using maybe around a 30 to 40 % of Output, just because the inner stator he used...with one single coil...
He could have done 60 to 70% more if he would've used a round armature from a Motor with several windings in series...
Capisci?
Ooops, my bad, it was French, not Italian...so, let me fix this...
¿Comprenez vous?
Au revoir
Ufopolitique... ;D
Can we please be nice to each other....
@Ufopolitics
Yes, there are mistakes in his patents. I have found several in the ones I have gone through. I have gone through tons of patents in my career and that's just the way it is. No matter how often you proofread, you overlook things. On top of that, whoever reviews patents is supposed to fully understand them, but my experience is, most of the time they don't. In most cases only the claims are thoroughly examined and research is done to other inventions in the area to see if anyone else has claimed something like it.
@r2fpl
Whatever happened with Pierre and DZ2? How come he never went back to rebuilding his original DZ generator? It was the only working prototype.
Quote from: pmgr on March 27, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
Can we please be nice to each other....
Hello PmgR,
But I was being nice to r2-d2 !, oops, sorry!!, meant to r2fpl !
Quote from: pmgr on March 27, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
@Ufopolitics
Yes, there are mistakes in his patents. I have found several in the ones I have gone through. I have gone through tons of patents in my career and that's just the way it is. No matter how often you proofread, you overlook things. On top of that, whoever reviews patents is supposed to fully understand them, but my experience is, most of the time they don't. In most cases only the claims are thoroughly examined and research is done to other inventions in the area to see if anyone else has claimed something like it.
I know that PmgR,
I was just pointing out the errors...but basically analyzing coils setup geometrically...versus chanels.
Quote from: pmgr on March 27, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
@r2fpl
Whatever happened with Pierre and DZ2? How come he never went back to rebuilding his original DZ generator? It was the only working prototype.
I already asked him for the "secrets"...but nothing yet...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hello Ufo, &/or anyone,
In that circular wiring diagram, Fig. 22, posted above, how many of the eight channels are energizing coils at any instant? I realize the 8 channels are sequenced as to cause 2 poles to migrate around the core and assume each pole consists of, or spans, multiple teeth & coils, right? Just trying to get a handle on how it is accomplished
I also assume each channel is simply switched at rotation frequency and not modulated. Is that right?
Thanks.
bi
Quote from: bistander on March 27, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
Hello Ufo, &/or anyone,
In that circular wiring diagram, Fig. 22, posted above, how many of the eight channels are energizing coils at any instant?
All eight channels are on all the time during operation.
Quote from: bistander on March 27, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
I realize the 8 channels are sequenced as to cause 2 poles to migrate around the core and assume each pole consists of, or spans, multiple teeth & coils, right? Just trying to get a handle on how it is accomplished
The best way is to watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=264s) starting at 0.45 to see animation, which is also based on the same config. or 16 poles rotor and 4 magnetic poles
Quote from: bistander on March 27, 2022, 03:45:51 PMI also assume each channel is simply switched at rotation frequency and not modulated. Is that right?
Thanks.
bi
When you see video animation, you would see the answer.
But, yes, in this case of four groups conforming four poles, NSNS, configured each 2 group (NS) by Pairs of coils apart by 180º...What channels do is to reverse polarity, by reversing voltage through an H Bridge of MOSFET's....where the excitation to base is operated by the PLC...or microprocesor.
The point is simple, start> all coils ON, then only two pairs, remember one pair is across two groups NS, (one per group, one NS, other SN) start to reverse polarity, passing to the next group and so on...until a full group has changed its polarity and so all the rest...
Group1= N1N2N3
N4 >
S-1 G2=
S1S2S3
S4>
N-1 G3=
N1N2N3N4>
S-1G4=S1S2S3S4>
N-1Where G1 N4 will reverse Adding to G2 S-1, while G2 reverses S4 adding to G3 N-1...and so on...
Edit 1: I changed S0 for S-1 not to confuse NO or SO...
Hey, I got a question for you,
What is the advantage, for this scenario to reverse coils polarity in series versus in a parallel connection, like it is connected in FIG 22?
I forgot, but I think in inductance is opposite to resistors in series or parallel...related to V & A...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Thanks Ufo,
Multiple component inductance combine like resistors in series and parallel connection. Capacitors are opposite.
About advantage, series vs parallel, for coils, maintaining the same mmf for each coil, you'd have to adjust turn count and wire size, then the result would be the same, no advantage to the series or parallel. This assumes the coils are identical to each other. The designer chooses which to use for ease of winding and connecting. In some strange cases, parallel connected coils can support circulating currents which are undesirable so series connection is preferred.
I'll have more on the coil sequencing. You confirm what I thought. Have you verified this is how he is doing it, or telling me how'd you do it? There is a fallacy in that method. I'll elaborate latter.
bi
Thanks Bistander,
Ok, so it is better series connected, but not much difference...
And no, that is the way I "assume" based on circuit from page 22 and video animation...
I have not tried that single coils setup as Holcomb, I have used overlapped coils before, but wound a bit differently...
Wonder where is the "fallacy"...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc
Hi, Ufopolitics
I have a few questions about your schematics from 2012:
Can a NPN or a PNP transistor be used, instead of the N-channel MOSFET?
The coil, is it better to use an aircoil? instead of a coil on a ferrite core?
The diodes, As it is cold electricity. Do the diodes warm up?
The cheap 1N4148 has a reverse voltage of 75 Volt and a Average forward current[/font]of 150 mA[/font]
[/font]Could 1N4148 be used or should I use a fast Schottky diode with a higher reverse voltage?[/font]
[/font]Best Wishes, Hermes
[/font]
In other words, no explination as to how it might work in such a
manner as to give O.U..
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ROUND.
FLOOR WHEN A SO CALL GENERATOR ELIMINATE LENZ, EDDY CURRENT, AND BACK EMF IT IS
OVER UNITY.
Ufopolitics:
You've been working with it for 20 years and still only spinning the magnetic field.
You want it to magically increase its power.
You don't understand LENZ and what it does I guess. You should have understood this long ago, but you still think LENZ can be removed.
You can't talk normally anymore. Do you want him to reveal a secret? why should i do this? It's funny.
Quote from: hermesatar on March 27, 2022, 10:36:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc)
Hi, Ufopolitics
I have a few questions about your schematics from 2012:
Can a NPN or a PNP transistor be used, instead of the N-channel MOSFET?
The coil, is it better to use an aircoil? instead of a coil on a ferrite core?
The diodes, As it is cold electricity. Do the diodes warm up?
The cheap 1N4148 has a reverse voltage of 75 Volt and a Average forward current[/font]of 150 mA[/font]
[/font]Could 1N4148 be used or should I use a fast Schottky diode with a higher reverse voltage?[/font]
[/font]Best Wishes, Hermes
[/font]
Reverse diodes and you have a boost converter .
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: seychelles on March 28, 2022, 12:55:11 AM
FLOOR WHEN A SO CALL GENERATOR ELIMINATE LENZ, EDDY CURRENT, AND BACK EMF IT IS
OVER UNITY.
O.U. or may be just unity.
electric polarity + or -
electric potential high or low potential
electric potential constant or changing
electric current direction forward or reverse
electric current high or low
electric current constant or changing
magnetic polarity N or S
magnetic potential high or low
magnetic field expanding or collapsing or constant
electric durrent flows because of electric potential
electric currents produce magnetic fields
resistance transformation into chaotic molecular kinetic energy as heat
Inductance reluctance and reactance or respectively expansion or contraction
of a magnetic field in space and/or within the fields closely associated with atoms and
molecules
magnetic fields bound with and/or in interactions with physical atoms are affected by the
limitations of the speed at which atoms can physically reorient in direction due to
their inertial drag and electric field drag
current lags behind potential in time (voltage can shift more rapidly than amperage)
capacitance is a specific static electric charge storage due to coulomb force within a three
dimensional region within the fields surrounding atoms and molecules
changes in the magnitude of a magnetic field are resisted by something which is kind of
analogous to the inertia of physical objects
magnetic fields during the reversing of their polarity decrease in volume and strength
then increase in volume and strength (even when physical magnets are rotated to reorient those
polarities)
Lenz's observations are akin to Newton's observations of action and reaction, if you get rid of
them you have nothing / no action at all.
also
The model of increasing efficiency until unity is exceeded, is a flawed one.
Quote from: hermesatar on March 27, 2022, 10:36:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzhKpEqUgc)
Hi, Ufopolitics
I have a few questions about your schematics from 2012:
Can a NPN or a PNP transistor be used, instead of the N-channel MOSFET?
The coil, is it better to use an aircoil? instead of a coil on a ferrite core?
The diodes, As it is cold electricity. Do the diodes warm up?
The cheap 1N4148 has a reverse voltage of 75 Volt and a Average forward current[/font]of 150 mA[/font]
[/font]Could 1N4148 be used or should I use a fast Schottky diode with a higher reverse voltage?[/font]
[/font]Best Wishes, Hermes
[/font]
Hello Hermes,
1- Regular, typical transistors can NOT be used, only MOSFETS can be used, and fast switching, high currents (A) typically the ones used on High Wattage Motor controllers.
FETS are High and Low switchers, N-Channel is an NPN, P-Channel is a PNP...but with the MOSFET stronger, more robust config.
2- Air Core WILL NOT work, Coil MUST have a Steel Core.
3- Diodes I used NTE576 5A, 400V, Ultrafast switcher.
Yes, Diodes get hot, MOSFETS get hot, Coil gets hot, so they must be on Heatsinks, plus air fan controlled.
Cold side electricity can not be stored in a Typical Electrolytic Capacitor.
Note: This is NOT related to Thread Topic, Hermes, so, please, make this your last post related to your questionsThanks
Ufopolitics
A VERY SIMPLE TEST TO DO...
I have recommended to Floor (and to anyone who wants to do it) to conduct a simple test to verify the difference whenever we rotate just the DC Magnetic Fields, since He asked if there was a simple way to check this out.
All you need is a Universal Motor: Which is a brushed armature with wound stators...and you could find them in several tools, like hand ac drills, Dremel and Ryobi small hand tool, Vacuum cleaners motors, etc,etc...
Then you need to get the same exact commutator number of plates as your chosen motor...or could be double, say a 16 plates could work with a 32 commutator elements, by joining 2 plates you have a 16 plates comm.
Then, a very small motor, you will have to build a base mount with continuous slip rings, typically found in car alternators, and brushes mounted to run on the 16 plates comm and the slip rings.
Solder all 16 wires remotely from universal rotor to your small motor base commutator, keeping same positioning as in the motor....
Secure the Universal rotor firmly inside its stator...and run power to slip rings while spinning small motor...your output would be out of the universal motor stator.
Start applying smaller voltages first, while spinning slowly...Scope your two signals, Input to Rotor, Output from Stator.
And that's it...check out how it behaves at low and at higher speeds while increasing power.
You will just need two PSU's:
1- To run small motor, maybe 5-10V 1-2 A
2- To feed power to Rotor through brushes, normally these motors I mentioned above work with 120V and will get to high RPM's...so, you could go that high with PSU...
Note the rotor will get hot, since its built in fan would not be turning, so, keep measuring temp. not to burn it.
A small cylindrical magnet mounted on a shaft, could have a fan installed and will spin freely, just by fields rotation, without needing any power to it...and it will cool your stationary rotor.
Also, you could apply AC Power to stationary rotor and see the difference for yourself in the output...versus DC Power feed. And you could use your same PSU, with a Diode AC/DC Bridge to regulate your AC Power to Rotor.
Simple Test Guys...and the best way to know for yourself if this works or not, is by getting at least this simple test done...
Not using several relays, Not complicated Logic Circuits, no MOSFET's, no Transformers...simple and easy to the point test.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Show me.
Quote from: Floor on March 28, 2022, 10:03:14 AM
Show me.
I am working on it...
But You could do it too...I am very busy with other projects...but I will try to find the time.
I mean, Pix went through so much work lately...trying to make a Generator out of the "this one is interesting" Thread, with a big Three Phase Motor...I saw pictures, impressive work!!
And You guys can not do this such simple test??
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 28, 2022, 10:05:12 AM
I am working on it...
But You could do it too...I am very busy with other projects...but I will try to find the time.
I mean, Pix went through so much work lately...trying to make a Generator out of the "this one is interesting" Thread, with a big Three Phase Motor...I saw pictures, impressive work!!
And You guys can not do this such simple test??
Cheers
Ufopolitics
At least I did put some effort rather than talk.
Wish You a big success making OU with Holcomb ;D
Cheers,
pix
Quote from: pix on March 28, 2022, 10:26:43 AM
At least I did put some effort rather than talk.
Wish You a big success making OU with Holcomb ;D
Cheers,
pix
Of course, you wanted to make sure if it works or not...I agree it is the only way to know for sure...
Unfortunately it didn't work...but, this is the way we can ever get to know...
And thanks, but it is not "exactly" how Holcomb works the test I suggested above...same principle though.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Did make temporary post to a builders board for post 189 above
https://overunity.com/19074/builders-investigation-into-things-that-spin-with-gain-and-other/msg565096/#new (https://overunity.com/19074/builders-investigation-into-things-that-spin-with-gain-and-other/msg565096/#new)
Just to keep it in easy to find place to share with builders ....
With Gratitude
Chet K
Hello Ramset et Al,
Here is the simple schematic for test connections and structure...for sake of simplicity to understand it, I did not add any mountings nor base stands.
It should be understood that second flat type commutator is fixed to a base, as also the small motor.
Please, make sure you wrap your rotor with some tape which holds high temperatures, as to make it pretty stock/locked inside Stator, so when you load output it will not try to spin lose!!
Brushed Symmetrical Motors Armatures are wound by series coils in a close loop with a derivation to each commutator element solder contact...So, +/- Brushes divides the whole armature in two (for two brushed motors) so, it divides Rotor in a perfect Half with N/S Magnetic Field set at 180 degrees apart.
So, if we just rotate the feeding +/- brushes to the armature static coils through this remote setup with the small motor on the right, we will be spinning just the DC Magnetic Field of the Rotor within the stator...
Your Stator Coils, connected in series would be your output
Your Rotor would be your Input at the Continuous Slip Ring Brushes contact.
These I/O could be measured in a Two Channel Scope.
The Input for the small motor needs to be isolated from a second PSU, small power, maybe 5V and max 2A...
I used a Flat type commutator as the fixed one where brushes spin, since it is more secure at higher speeds,as it will not loosen contacts by centrifugal forces pushing brushes away from contacts...
You could also "beef up" your Stator with thicker wire and more turns...for higher output levels...or get a full 360º wound stator from another AC Induction motor of same inner diameter as your rotor...so there will not be a too wide air gap...
As you could do a lot more of improvements as you like...or adding an AC Cap to Input to smooth the waves...or adding a Diode Bridge to run DC Output to store it in Supercaps...
It would be good to add reflective tape to your small motor shaft, to read the RPM's you are turning your Magnetic Field...
Make sure you keep reading the temperature of all coils, Input-Output...do not get "excited" by the results and forget that this is NOT a Real Generator... ;D
It is a very "interesting test"... :)
You will have fun, when loading your output... ;D
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Looks very similar to what Thane Heins is/has been doing:
THE NEW NORMAL FOR HUMANITY AND PHYSICS IN 2022 AND BEYOND... - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibg2FrDogYY)
...
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 28, 2022, 11:01:10 AM
Of course, you wanted to make sure if it works or not...I agree it is the only way to know for sure...
Unfortunately it didn't work...but, this is the way we can ever get to know...
And thanks, but it is not "exactly" how Holcomb works the test I suggested above...same principle though.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Actually it worked.
The part when I tested 3 phase motor to work as asynchronous generator was a success.
Everyone could make an cheap emergency generator out of lawn mover engine and regular 3 phase squirrel cage motor with capacitors. Don't even needs to be spinned above nominal speed.
Efficiency of such ansynchronous generator is 75-85%, better than some regular generators. The only regulation it needs is to increase capacity if load increases.
Converting AC motor to PM generator is not very efficient setup to run ac inductive loads. Yes , I got nice voltages: 153V at 1200rpm up to 200V at 2000 rpm per phase. Didn't tested higher rpm's.
Such PM generator is best to spin well above nominal speed and rectify output with 3 phase rectifier. Then it is very efficient machine.
Cheers,
Pix
I have to say as soon as they started talking about "reducing your consumption by half" and claiming the discovery to be literally the permeability of iron, red flags started going up.
Any device with that much excess energy can easily be looped back, the "inline" aspect of it makes it shady as hell.
Quote from: broli on March 28, 2022, 03:25:09 PM
I have to say as soon as they started talking about "reducing your consumption by half" and claiming the discovery to be literally the permeability of iron, red flags started going up.
AMEN.
I am hopefully going to speak with someone who visited the claimants facility soon !
Perhaps get a bit more insight ?
EDIT
To bistander comment below
I can ask another party about that too !
Hopefully next few days
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on March 28, 2022, 04:11:01 PM
I am hopefully going to speak with someone who visited the claimants facility soon !
Perhaps get a bit more insight ?
Hi ramset,
Can you ask somebody in the area to check with DNV and see if that "Holcomb Energy System verification report from dnv.com" is actually valid and they stand behind it?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 28, 2022, 12:55:21 PM
Here is the simple schematic for test connections and structure...for sake of simplicity to understand it, I did not add any mountings nor base stands.
and so on...
@ Ufopolitics
Thank you for the nicely done and simplified wiring example, although it's not what I
am inquiring about.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
What happens in the magnetic fields shared by the coils that might be novel/give rise to O.U. ?
floor,do You think probably in an EMP-magnet and its MMP-output and in-/out-put ratio or Eta ?
Applied Biot-Savart-/Ampere-/Laplace law !?
WIPO : inventor Dr.res naturalis Pavel Imris,CSc
or Andreas Schenk,applicant Max Planck Institut fuer Festkoerperphysik (Dresden)
Charles Gilbert Page and Garfield Jr A Wood and Hector :
rotoverter transverter ?
rotatory translatory linear
theme terms : beam,trajection
wmbr
OCWL
@Lanka IV
I don't understand your question / statement.
Parting the Duality ? Left/right side,above/below side,external/internal side !? Right/wrong side ?
An EP-magnet and its MMP !? electret and/or magnetret function/applyability/potential
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: https://www-faz-net.translate.goog/aktuell/wissen/faz-wissen-podcast-geht-das-gedankenlesen-mit-chips-und-rechnern-17910659.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-faz-net.translate.goog/aktuell/wissen/faz-wissen-podcast-geht-das-gedankenlesen-mit-chips-und-rechnern-17910659.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
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things reader: without chips and computer-ing ?/!
IoT
IoM
Quote from: Floor on March 29, 2022, 12:53:31 AM
@Lanka IV
I don't understand your question / statement.
To get LancaIV you have to sniff the same stuff he is on. :D
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 28, 2022, 12:55:21 PM
Hello Ramset et Al,
Here is the simple schematic for test connections and structure...for sake of simplicity to understand it, I did not add any mountings nor base stands.
It should be understood that second flat type commutator is fixed to a base, as also the small motor.
Please, make sure you wrap your rotor with some tape which holds high temperatures, as to make it pretty stock/locked inside Stator, so when you load output it will not try to spin lose!!
Brushed Symmetrical Motors Armatures are wound by series coils in a close loop with a derivation to each commutator element solder contact...So, +/- Brushes divides the whole armature in two (for two brushed motors) so, it divides Rotor in a perfect Half with N/S Magnetic Field set at 180 degrees apart.
So, if we just rotate the feeding +/- brushes to the armature static coils through this remote setup with the small motor on the right, we will be spinning just the DC Magnetic Field of the Rotor within the stator...
Your Stator Coils, connected in series would be your output
Your Rotor would be your Input at the Continuous Slip Ring Brushes contact.
These I/O could be measured in a Two Channel Scope.
The Input for the small motor needs to be isolated from a second PSU, small power, maybe 5V and max 2A...
I used a Flat type commutator as the fixed one where brushes spin, since it is more secure at higher speeds,as it will not loosen contacts by centrifugal forces pushing brushes away from contacts...
You could also "beef up" your Stator with thicker wire and more turns...for higher output levels...or get a full 360º wound stator from another AC Induction motor of same inner diameter as your rotor...so there will not be a too wide air gap...
As you could do a lot more of improvements as you like...or adding an AC Cap to Input to smooth the waves...or adding a Diode Bridge to run DC Output to store it in Supercaps...
It would be good to add reflective tape to your small motor shaft, to read the RPM's you are turning your Magnetic Field...
Make sure you keep reading the temperature of all coils, Input-Output...do not get "excited" by the results and forget that this is NOT a Real Generator... ;D
It is a very "interesting test"... :)
You will have fun, when loading your output... ;D
Cheers
Ufopolitics
1. To get the same result it is simpler to use a slip ring AC motor , no need for your setup :D
Slip Ring Induction Motor - Construction, Working and Its Speed Control (elprocus.com) (https://www.elprocus.com/what-is-slip-ring-induction-motor-and-its-working/)
Slip ring Induction Motor, How it works? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPn5Ou-N0b0)
Or even simpler, just use typical squirrel cage induction motor and connect running capacitors in triangle and rotate it. You will get the same thing, AC output.
Cheers,
Pix
EVEN SIMPLER A VARIABLE FREQUENCY 3 PHASE 240 VOLTS INVERTER FROM CHINA.
I'm not objecting to the explaining of principles of operation, but to say that such and such
"really works", when that "such and such" is already a common and established principle or
method of operation can / seems to imply that there is O.U. there. There is no reason to think such ?
Virtually rotating magnetic polarities and three phase electricity are interesting wangles, for
sure and they "really work" / can be more efficient than other options in various applications.
I'm inclined to say 'so what'... and again ask, is this Holcomb device topic, about increased efficiency
or O.U. exploration ?
Quote from: pix on March 29, 2022, 05:58:31 AM
1. To get the same result it is simpler to use a slip ring AC motor , no need for your setup :D
Slip Ring Induction Motor - Construction, Working and Its Speed Control (elprocus.com) (https://www.elprocus.com/what-is-slip-ring-induction-motor-and-its-working/)
Slip ring Induction Motor, How it works? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPn5Ou-N0b0)
Or even simpler, just use typical squirrel cage induction motor and connect running capacitors in triangle and rotate it. You will get the same thing, AC output.
Cheers,
Pix
Hello Pix,
Thanks for the suggestion, and that YT Video 3D Graphs were awesome, beautifully done...I am going to make something similar in graphics so it would be clearly understood.
However, It will simply NOT work as you are mentioning.
I still see you are not getting it right....you keep anchored to Constant Rotation of Three Phase AC Fields...it won't do it like that
I will repeat myself (again)
There MUST BE COMMUTATION (ALTERNATED SWITCHING) of the SERIES-PARALLEL Coils TO SPIN the DC Magnetic Fields!!It is Not just to feed Coils continuously through slip rings...no matter if AC or DC feeding.
And so, I do NOT need to rotate the rotor...just the magnetic fields, man!!
But, look, I am making the whole thing so you ALL could watch it in your screens...the real thing...
Just a very small little motor would be rotating huge magnetic fields by COMMUTATION of a Symmetrical winding, found in any Universal Motor...
However, I will wind it myself, from a blank armature core...just to make sure the field width is exactly the same as the Generator Stator Fields...
I will not keep arguing with you or anyone else...until I show you ALL what I mean.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: lancaIV on March 28, 2022, 11:52:06 PM
floor,do You think probably in an EMP-magnet and its MMP-output and in-/out-put ratio or Eta ?
Applied Biot-Savart-/Ampere-/Laplace law !?
WIPO : inventor Dr.res naturalis Pavel Imris,CSc
or Andreas Schenk,applicant Max Planck Institut fuer Festkoerperphysik (Dresden)
Charles Gilbert Page and Garfield Jr A Wood and Hector :
rotoverter transverter ?
rotatory translatory linear
theme terms : beam,trajection
wmbr
OCWL
@Lanka
I don't want to discuss EMP tech. its weaponry, but also not O.U. .
I'm looking for how to do what can be done with permanent magnets, but
with out the permanent magnets.
If Holcomb's device is O.U., maybe it is closely related in some principles ?
Holcomb describes various of his devices but I do not think he understands their
O.U. functioning.
Does his device really work ? Why ?
Every event is mystical when we look deeply enough into it. Intuition is the common
denominator in all communication. The symbols / words when also held in common,
facilitate connection to specific areas of the brain, having to do with speech / make
thought accessible to convention and to conventional brain storage / memory...
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 29, 2022, 08:13:32 AM
Hello Pix,
Thanks for the suggestion, and that YT Video 3D Graphs were awesome, beautifully done...I am going to make something similar in graphics so it would be clearly understood.
However, It will simply NOT work as you are mentioning.
I still see you are not getting it right....you keep anchored to Constant Rotation of Three Phase AC Fields...it won't do it like that
I will repeat myself (again)
There MUST BE COMMUTATION (ALTERNATED SWITCHING) of the SERIES-PARALLEL Coils TO SPIN the DC Magnetic Fields!!
It is Not just to feed Coils continuously through slip rings...no matter if AC or DC feeding.
And so, I do NOT need to rotate the rotor...just the magnetic fields, man!!
But, look, I am making the whole thing so you ALL could watch it in your screens...the real thing...
Just a very small little motor would be rotating huge magnetic fields by COMMUTATION of a Symmetrical winding, found in any Universal Motor...
However, I will wind it myself, from a blank armature core...just to make sure the field width is exactly the same as the Generator Stator Fields...
I will not keep arguing with you or anyone else...until I show you ALL what I mean.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hello Ufo,
Pix is correct/you are mistaken. His video does a nice explanation. This "rotating magnetic field" in the 3-phase stator is what I've been attempting to show you for years. It may be difficult to grasp at first, but is quite eloquent. It is in fact a constant magnitude (as you call DC) magnetic field which travels in space (and steel) with stationary apparatus. No physical motion required, just polyphase AC applied to the winding.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 29, 2022, 08:13:32 AM
There MUST BE COMMUTATION (ALTERNATED SWITCHING) of the SERIES-PARALLEL Coils TO SPIN the DC Magnetic Fields!!
It is Not just to feed Coils continuously through slip rings...no matter if AC or DC feeding.
And so, I do NOT need to rotate the rotor...just the magnetic fields, man!!
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo, you don't need to rotate anything.
I already mentioned it many times - in Slip Ring AC motor when you LOCK rotor from rotating, and feed 3 balanced sinusoidal signals to the slip rings, you will have ecactly what you want to achieve with your commutator,slip rings and a small motor: rotating DC magnetic vector.
Such locked rotor situation is a TRANSFORMER.
And it doesn't matter which way you are going to rotate DC magnetic vector- by your slip rings and small motor, or by use of balanced 3 phase signal- LENZ law apply.
And no OU there.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on March 29, 2022, 09:15:27 AM
Ufo, you don't need to rotate anything.
I already mentioned it many times - in Slip Ring AC motor when you LOCK rotor from rotating, and feed 3 balanced sinusoidal signals to the slip rings, you will have ecactly what you want to achieve with your commutator,slip rings and a small motor: rotating DC magnetic vector.
Such locked rotor situation is a TRANSFORMER.
And it doesn't matter which way you are going to rotate DC magnetic vector- by your slip rings and small motor, or by use of balanced 3 phase signal- LENZ law apply.
And no OU there.
Cheers,
Pix
Thanks Pix,
In my setup, I do not need to go and find any EXTERNAL Three Phase balanced sinusoidal signals...I will generate them, I can make single phase, two phase or three phase and very well balanced...depending on the Generator Core and coils utilized.
I am going to start off a Single Phase Generator Head, built from factory windings first, without OEM Rotor, to make things simple to "digest"...and you know every single phase genny comes with two outputs, one Main AC and a secondary pair of coils which are typically connected to a running cap...right?
Well, those two secondary coils and cap are in charge to induce rotor coils back in a normal rotary generator...correct so far?
This is the famous "loop back" that takes place in the Excitation System (Stator Secondaries>Running Cap-Rotor Coils>Closed circuit with Diodes) of every Brushless Generator out there....
I will show you in real time, that after having the fields rotating, and adding the right input to exciter stationary coils in order that secondary start generating induced EMF...then... ;D
You will see how I get that running cap terminals and plug them into the Input of Stationary Rotor...then disconnect the power in (PSU) to Stationary Rotor and it will not collapse...it will keep feeding itself.
How is that to start a demonstration here?...
Just give me the time to set it all up...need to get a lot of stuff together first...then build, build and build...
However, I will be migrating all into a Moderated Thread...and you will see it all there...promise man!!
Cheers...We got it bro!!
Ufopolitics
Oh Yeah, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Um3jmQHhI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Um3jmQHhI)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=rexresearch+robert+alexander (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=rexresearch+robert+alexander)
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o so disharmonic,the mass of info ! ::)
wmbr
OCWL
Hello to All,
Let me be straight and right to the point here...
I know everything about the history of "Loopers" in the past...and it never ends right and well.
I will NOT hide ANY "secrets" from anyone who is willing to replicate my design...as I am NOT planning to Patent nothing...
However, I do need "Protection"...but wait...do not get disappointed... :)
My "Protection" will be that as many of you as possible, are successfull in replicating my setup, BUT, in exchange, I will ask you to SHARE IT WORLD WIDE and as fast as you could!!
IT NEEDS TO BE WIDE SPREAD AND VIRAL...ASAP!!
I have more than 7000 subscribers in my YT Channel...But not enough...it needs to be spread fast and viral...
That's all folks
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hey Pix,
Man, did you finally take the same stuff that Ianca is taking?...LOL ;D
Just checking...
Ufopolitics
Just rotating the poles will not provided good induction in the three phase output coils. The poles must have a variable flux as they rotate. He claims that he achieves this via the inner coils which have a variable amplitude flux over the three active coils in each pole (shown in the patent).
L192
Quote from: pmgr on March 24, 2022, 04:00:02 PM
@Ufopolitics et al
Some points I would like to make:
1. The driver circuits that are in that particular patent are nothing special as far as I can tell (correct me if I am wrong). It's a simple bidirectional coil driver (similar to what a bidirectional motor driver looks like). Nevertheless, from his patents (and I have read all of the most relevant ones now) it appears Holcom doesn't understand where his excess energy is coming from, repeatedly stating electron spin in electrical steel, high permittivity etc as the explanation. That is not the cause, as we know it takes energy (B*H which is the area under the hysteresis curve) to magnetize and demagnetize material and there is no gain in that). But maybe he states that because he really doesn't know and probably had to give some explanation in the patent (after all he is not an electrical engineer; I believe was a medical doctor in the past). Looking at how detailed his patents are, I don't believe he is deliberately steering someone in the wrong direction.
2. If you take a look at the old Pierre Cotnoir's DZ generator threads, you will see Pierre was using a similar scheme of a rotating magnetic field generated by DC currents, but with relays instead of FETs. Although Pierre's device seemed to work from his videos, nobody has been able to replicate it.
3. I believe that the reason that Holcombs device works is because he has found a way to circumvent BEMF from coupling back into the rotor driving coils. I am not so sure if he actually understands that that is what he has done as he keeps on stating no BEMF because the rotor is fixed, but that's not the reason why it works. The reason it works is because the BEMF is diverted and doesn't make its way back to the driving coils. I will need to confirm what I think is happening with some calculations to be 100% sure, but based on what I can picture in my head so far, it should work that way.
Lastly, with respect to noise on this thread, indeed a lot of random noise (no need to state a name here) so I am all for a moderated thread. But please don't censor anyone if they have a different opinion or shoot down someone else's explanation with sound reasoning. A healthy discussion benefits all as long as it is polite and explained with reasoning (so no name calling, insults and things of that sort please).
My two cents, PmgR
This would be my take on how OU is acheived with this device, BEMF circumvention via the three phase stator core. A reproduction of the magnetics in FEMM would allow the coupling factors to be verified both ways between the energizing coils and the output coils. It is also noteworthy that one patent implementation has an additional stator core between the inner core and the output core. This has no windings.
L192
@L192
Yes that inner part with no windings is visible in the simulation in his video, yet not in the real device. The only thing I can think of is that it is expanding the poles of the very inner rotor so they spread a larger area to avoid saturation. I have to dug into this a bit more to see if there is another reason.
Update
The configuration for his simulation image is actually a stator-double rotor-stator-rotor configuration, but same operating principle, all rotor fields re-inforcing themselves. Only reason this is done is to increase the power output.
Quote from: listener192 on March 29, 2022, 12:10:02 PM
Just rotating the poles will not provided good induction in the three phase output coils. The poles must have a variable flux as they rotate. He claims that he achieves this via the inner coils which have a variable amplitude flux over the three active coils in each pole (shown in the patent).
L192
Lenz law still apply.
It applies for rotation ( motor/generator action).
It applies for flux intensity variation ( transformer action).
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 29, 2022, 10:05:18 AM
Hey Pix,
Man, did you finally take the same stuff that Ianca is taking?...LOL ;D
Just checking...
Ufopolitics
Didn't took any stuff in my life. :)
@L192:
Does the constant Rotating Magnetic Field on a Typical 1,2,3 Phase Rotary Generator ever fluctuate (Variable Flux amplitude)?
@Pix:
I was joking about what you wrote before..."taking same stuff as Ianca in order to understand him"... :)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Overunity as "absolute rated output ,<=100%" by input >= -100%",by negative and positive energy scale
absolute negative to absolute positive : - 100% to 0 to 100%
same re-/search section like Holcomb :
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here we see Nikola Tesla´s Universal-transformer-Genius in application manner :
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents (https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents)
Sincerely
OCWL
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Quote from: lancaIV on March 29, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
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wmbr
OCWL
What is so special about the motor that needs to be powered both from AC and DC power supply? ::)
Quote from: pix on March 29, 2022, 02:42:54 PM
What is so special about the motor that needs to be powered both from AC and DC power supply? ::)
The AC is a load, not source. Like a RediLine M-G, motor generator.
https://www.kollmorgen.com/sites/default/files/public_downloads/redi-line_users-guide_en-US_revA.pdf
Neat units. I have one. 24Vdc to 115Vac.
bi
Quote from: pix on March 29, 2022, 02:42:54 PM
What is so special about the motor that needs to be powered both from AC and DC power supply? ::)
To not overcome ,in average,the rated output (differing rated from maximal) because EE-machines https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonanzkatastrophe
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OCWL
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An AC generator with a fixed rotor Flux would cut the stator coil wires, as the rotor comes into registration with the respective stator coil, so the stator coil wires would see a flux change effectively.
In the Holcome and DZ generator only flux linkage couples the coils as there is no physical flux movement (flux cutting).
In the DZ generator moving fixed amplitude poles across the rotor produces very poor induction in the rotor coil. I found that the rotating poles needed their flux modulated in a sinosoidal fashion as they crossed the rotor to obtain reasonable induction. However energy is wasted when the stator coils are energised out of registration with the rotor. Also relatively low turns for each stator coil is required to minimise inductance, allowing the current rise in the coil to occur within the switch period. Holding these low inductance coils on for several switch periods is wasteful in terms of I/R losses. Modulating the coils so the current was always changing in each coil did mitigate this while improving induction.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on March 29, 2022, 04:16:34 PM
An AC generator with a fixed rotor Flux would cut the stator coil wires, as the rotor comes into registration with the respective stator coil, so the stator coil wires would see a flux change effectively.
In the Holcome and DZ generator only flux linkage couples the coils as there is no physical flux movement (flux cutting).
In the DZ generator moving fixed amplitude poles across the rotor produces very poor induction in the rotor coil. I found that the rotating poles needed their flux modulated in a sinosoidal fashion as they crossed the rotor to obtain reasonable induction. However energy is wasted when the stator coils are energised out of registration with the rotor. Also relatively low turns for each stator coil is required to minimise inductance, allowing the current rise in the coil to occur within the switch period. Holding these low inductance coils on for several switch periods is wasteful in terms of I/R losses. Modulating the coils so the current was always changing in each coil did mitigate this while improving induction.
L192
Hi L192,
Did you find that out by personal experiment on the actual device? And the DZ isn't the same as the Holcombe device, is it?
bi
I built the DZ and you can see my findings reported in the Pierre Cotnoir threads along with images. I tried many configurations including relays and solid state and two different sized rotors and stators
The DZ is not the same as the holcombe device apart from the concept of moving poles around a stator. DC energization of coils and possible saturation of steel is going to result in I/R losses in the form of
heat. You can see they have a fan on the top of the holcombe device this is indicative of this. Why they say in the video "no heat is generated" I do not know?
L192
Read from this point https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/1350/
Hello to All,
I read the whole DZ Generator Cotnoir Thread (94 pages)...and it was a big disappointment to see the end results, basically starting when Pierre decided to go away taking all his videos off the net, before any of you got to know every detail about his setup.
At the same time it was great to see such incredible builds, a lot of work there!!
@L192: Your build was very impressive, a lot of time and money spent!!...but basically very well put together...And I feel your frustration and disappointment not being able to achieve the expected results...
In my very honest opinion, and with all due respect to all that replicated there...the development process to Replicate DZ Generator was not handled properly from Page#1...not your fault at all.
1- The very first thing that was supposed to be done in Pierre Cotnoir Thread, since Page 1, like in any setup development is always a "Normal Procedure"...is to make a Main Diagram of ALL MAIN COMPONENTS PARTS AND CONNECTIONS.
1a- From the main Diagram, then it should have been reduced to a simple BLOCK DIAGRAM, to simplify the whole setup into Subsystems, which gives easier access to point something out on further discussions.
This very important part I never saw it there (maybe I missed it, but I don't think so, correct me if I am wrong)...as it serves as a Guide to refer all new incomer builders to go first to those TWO MAIN DIAGRAMS.
2- Is a consequence of not having #1 above...and that is to start randomly picking up where to concentrate first in your builds...as I noticed so many people concentrating first, in how to write the codes for the Arduino setup...or what type of Relays were used...or what diodes, or what Board # for the processor (Arduino), and a long etcetera, etcetera...
And of course...it concludes as disregarding some of the main Components, or leaving it for the end...
For example, no one ever asked, why Pierre used that Old Type and modified Bulky Transformer to charge and supply power to the switching coils as to charge the Supercaps?
Pierre could have used instead of that Bulky Transformer, a nice, newer, cheaper, less consuming...switching PWM Digital Display PSU...I mean, a 30V 10 Amps is so cheap in online shopping!!
Did you guys ever ask that question?...why an old transformer?
I noticed many replications did not include that Transformer.
But, forgetting about the Transformer...what about a Diagram for the way that Coils were WOUND?
Yes, I saw many Diagrams there about winding and setting coils...but they were all by replicators, "assuming or guessing" what Pierre meant...
Pierre only shows one or two videos with his UNFINISHED coils diagram, but trying to find a way how to solve some issues...so it is NOT a Final Update on his windings circuit...
IMHO, the MAIN COMPONENT in Pierre setup is his Switching Static Rotor, then the Transformer use.
I would say that his Inner Secondary design, was not very efficient...since it was only one coil, with a huge piece of steel, but this design does not allows for greater collection of Induced EMF of the whole 360º Rotary Fields...However, Pierre stills loops the system.
Anyways...I again, thank you for all your efforts in trying to replicate his design, and could say your setup is much better built than the original.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Here I will point out some errors in the replications due to what I previously mentioned...
One example of wrong interpretations when Replicating something...In my opinion, due to not good guidance.
Member Jeg, John G in You Tube did an AWESOME Replication of Pierre Cotnoir!!...I mean, he even have the old type Rotary Transformer...superb build!!
However, whenever seeing his Coil Windings Diagram, and the actual built result...it is simply not right.
In my opinion, the way he wound his core, will not, ever, direct any induction at the center, inner secondary.
All the Induction Force will keep spreading through his steel core...while secondary won't even notice.
On video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6xv7qhcdTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6xv7qhcdTM) go to 0:28, I took a screenshot loaded here, versus Pierre's Coils.
Magnetic Fields are purely DIRECTIONAL, with the precision of a LASER Ray!!!...And so, Coils generating Magnetic Fields should follow a Related Spatial Positioning to where we want to send/direct fields...in this case, we need to send all switching fields to INNER CENTER of Core, where the "Collector" or Secondary is located.
Correct me if I am wrong...
Regards
Ufopolitics
I did not post everything that I tried but certainly a transformer was used for one trial providing halfwave rectified DC to the switches, to provide an amplitude changing stator flux. I had my system synchronised to the line zero cross point to start my switching sequence.
Quote from: listener192 on March 30, 2022, 09:57:06 AM
I did not post everything that I tried but certainly a transformer was used for one trial providing halfwave rectified DC to the switches, to provide an amplitude changing stator flux. I had my system synchronised to the line zero cross point to start my switching sequence.
Great that you use a Transformer L192...may I ask you to show me how you connected your coils to be switched?
If you do not mind, I am just trying to help you diagnose your setup, basically from where my expertise is...Magnetic Fields.
Thanks
Ufopolitics
@ufopolitics
No frustration really, as I have spent many hundreds of hours previously, replicating patents for various devices, unsuccessfully.
I believe the DZ was a hoax, as when his original burnt out, why would he not just replicate what he knew to be working, instead of starting a whole new design (unsuccessful). The replication attempt was not wasted as it illustrated the problems encountered with the concept generally.
Regards
L192
Quote from: listener192 on March 30, 2022, 10:07:54 AM
@ufopolitics
No frustration really, as I have spent many hundreds of hours previously, replicating patents for various devices, unsuccessfully.
I believe the DZ was a hoax, as when his original burnt out, why would he not just replicate what he knew to be working, instead of starting a whole new design (unsuccessful). The replication attempt was not wasted as it illustrated the problems encountered with the concept generally.
Regards
L192
@L192
I am sorry you feel that way...but I have to disagree that it was a hoax.
Pierre was a Newbie on Magnetic Fields, (He admitted that on a post in that Thread,...he said that about one or two years before, he did not know anything related to Magnetism, He just decided to try the "Rotating Fields" experience, based on whoever knows what influenced him...and it just happened he hit the "sweet spot"...but, I bet He did not know exactly how he did it.
Then He started to think big...so "protecting himself" , while keeping "his secrets"...and all it lead was to have a crashed development.
Obviously his decision to start everything new from scratch, and not just repair his working device, is the typical behavior of an unexperienced researcher and builder...on these fields.
So, as you said...it did not worked out the second try, was due to the fact, he did not know exactly how his deviced was successfull...He may have assumed...but was wrong.
Either that, or He simply applied for a patent on his invention and may have even sell it to some big money corporation by now...
I do not think it has developed as a typical Scam or Hoax does, basically first trying to get high hits on YouTube...then asking for Investors...I mean, He proves he looped his device...then later on took all videos from YT?!
I have been working on these type of setup before Pierre had his idea...and further development of the DZ Generator.
Originally, I started first working on the Figuera development, I invested many hours on it...unsuccessfully...then I wanted to test this same principle with a different approach by using real Generators and Motors configurations in the windings...since Figuera is just about moving the Fields back and forth...
And let me say that even by Figuera movements, I observed a lot of "phenomena" not supposed to be there...as a considerable increase of amperage on output...above Input.
With Pierre Thread and videos, it triggered this ideas again, and now, I honestly think I know what I was doing wrong...
Anyways, I will be making some simple experiments during this week...if I am successful this time...then I will open a Moderated Thread for it (Thanks Stephan and Ramset!!) , where you are welcome to give it another try...if you wish.
Either way I will open a Thread, whether not successful, to just completely not insist any more on it...or to start bigger developments further on, if I get the results I want.
Thanks and Best Regards
Ufopolitics
Now you like the Pierre device? You just laughed at it.
Quote from: r2fpl on March 30, 2022, 12:37:41 PM
Now you like the Pierre device? You just laughed at it.
I never laughed at Pierre's DZ Generator!!
I never considered it as a Hoax...
I just laughed with you about his "secret"...
That's all r2d2, sorry, meant r2fpl... ;D
Ufopolitics
I don't understand your jokes. Maybe because I use google translator. :o
Sorry site does not allow standard attachments at the moment.
The 36 slot stator started with the attached 6 pole 6 slot pitch scheme.
Many other combinations were experimented with.
L192
@L192,
Ok, thanks...let me ask you, the red coil top right has other red Coils below, is that the way you wound each coil, by stepping forward (to the bottom of screen) or jumping one slot at a time?
And if you could also provide Coils interconnections plus all terminals (36 right?) for switching...
Thks
Ufopolitics
Pierre wired it moving over one slot at a time, not stepping over the blue coil and continuing there.
I understand what you are getting at Ufo; you would want to see it wired like a general 3 phase stator, but Pierre didn't do it that way. Neither did the replicators. And the outer iron is the "rotor' in this case, not the stator. Center iron is the stator (where you pick off the output). The stator has only two poles (two ends that interact with the field).
Anyway, the reason there is no flux in the center iron is because the way this is biased with 6 poles is such that it creates a magnetic field from each N-S pole pair into the center iron, but all three poles are 120deg out of phase, so in the center iron, it adds up to ZERO. Magnetic fields are not just magnitudes that add up; they also have a phase and order to get constructive interference, the phase would need to be the same for all 3 pole pairs which it is not in Pierre's case.
Quote from: pmgr on March 30, 2022, 03:58:28 PM
Pierre wired it moving over one slot at a time, not stepping over the blue coil and continuing there.
...
Quote from: pmgr on March 30, 2022, 03:58:28 PMI understand what you are getting at Ufo; you would want to see it wired like a general 3 phase stator, but Pierre didn't do it that way. Neither did the replicators. And the outer iron is the "rotor' in this case, not the stator. Center iron is the stator (where you pick off the output). The stator has only two poles (two ends that interact with the field).
Hey PmgR...are you trying to read my mind, or guess here, assume my thoughts now?...hahahahaha
Man, of course, I know very well in Pierre's design, the Outer Core are the Rotating Fields as the Single Inner Coil is the Stator, or Secondary where output is taken from...Duh!
(I just do not want to take your comment above seriously... so I rather laughed).
Quote from: pmgr on March 30, 2022, 03:58:28 PMAnyway, the reason there is no flux in the center iron is because the way this is biased with 6 poles is such that it creates a magnetic field from each N-S pole pair into the center iron, but all three poles are 120deg out of phase, so in the center iron, it adds up to ZERO. Magnetic fields are not just magnitudes that add up; they also have a phase and order to get constructive interference, the phase would need to be the same for all 3 pole pairs which it is not in Pierre's case.
Magnetic Fields DO ADD UP as simply as 2+2=4, depending on how they are set spatially.
So, I see you've got "all the answers" as why it does not work?!!
Did You Replicated this setup from Pierre, PmgR?
Please, let me finish with L192 (without interruptions)...as all I am trying to do here, is to help him on his excelent replication.
I will appreciate it.
Thanks
Ufopolitics
Excuse me for butting in but I always thought he wired it to be 2 poles (NS) 180 degrees apart and stepped the connections to rotate the 2 pole field.
Cadman
Quote from: Cadman on March 30, 2022, 04:18:13 PM
Excuse me for butting in but I always thought he wired it to be 2 poles (NS) 180 degrees apart and stepped the connections to rotate the 2 pole field.
Cadman
Hey Cadman,
Many years back, I also thought like you wrote above...as I test it and it did not work as expected...I stepped Two Isolated Coils apart at 180 degrees at a time (switching)...and overlapped with next pair...I did get output, it does induce...but not the way that we all are looking for.
Regards
Ufopolitics
In the initial build all the coils are wired in series, with 6 coils forming a pole at a 6 slot winding pitch, as per Pierres diagram of this.
This was the original switch sequence I used.
digitalWrite(1,HIGH), digitalWrite(13,HIGH), digitalWrite(25,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(2,HIGH), digitalWrite(14,HIGH), digitalWrite(26,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(1,LOW), digitalWrite(13,LOW), digitalWrite(25,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(3,HIGH), digitalWrite(15,HIGH), digitalWrite(27,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(2,LOW), digitalWrite(14,LOW), digitalWrite(26,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(4,HIGH), digitalWrite(16,HIGH), digitalWrite(28,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(3,LOW), digitalWrite(15,LOW), digitalWrite(27,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(5,HIGH), digitalWrite(17,HIGH), digitalWrite(29,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(4,LOW), digitalWrite(16,LOW), digitalWrite(28,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(6,HIGH), digitalWrite(18,HIGH), digitalWrite(30,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(5,LOW), digitalWrite(17,LOW), digitalWrite(29,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(7,HIGH), digitalWrite(19,HIGH), digitalWrite(31,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(6,LOW), digitalWrite(18,LOW), digitalWrite(30,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(8,HIGH), digitalWrite(20,HIGH), digitalWrite(32,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(7,LOW), digitalWrite(19,LOW), digitalWrite(31,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(9,HIGH), digitalWrite(21,HIGH), digitalWrite(33,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(8,LOW), digitalWrite(20,LOW), digitalWrite(32,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(10,HIGH), digitalWrite(22,HIGH), digitalWrite(34,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(9,LOW), digitalWrite(21,LOW), digitalWrite(33,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(11,HIGH), digitalWrite(23,HIGH), digitalWrite(35,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(10,LOW), digitalWrite(22,LOW), digitalWrite(34,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(12,HIGH), digitalWrite(24,HIGH), digitalWrite(36,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(11,LOW), digitalWrite(23,LOW), digitalWrite(35,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(12,LOW), digitalWrite(24,LOW), digitalWrite(36,LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(x); // wait for a second
I would like to provide more but I dont seem to reliably post messages with attachments
...
Wired like this
Ok, thanks L192,
I finally understood how Pierre wired his setup...
I see a lot of problems in that design...from the winding of the coils (stepping down by one slot), to the way he is switching coils.
Now I realize why his setup caught on fire.
He has too many relays per group of 6 or 4 coils, as I understand now, what he meant by "isolating" the coils, or the magnetic fields...
Poor relays, they were getting super high reverse currents at all times...very hot inside contacts!!...maybe not reflected high temp. on their outer casing...
I finally understand what has happened here...
I will go in detail tomorrow, as I will have to make some graphics for better understanding.
And I rather open a dedicated thread just to go over this setup in detail, not to keep over populating this Thread here...
Regards
Ufopolitics
This was the last iteration using a series parallel scheme to increase coil current.
Quote from: listener192 on March 30, 2022, 03:39:41 AM
Read from this point https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/1350/ (https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/1350/)
Reply #1376 on: December 20, 2020, 06:30:22 AM » Quote (https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/1365/post/quote/554064/last_msg/564891/)
'open DZ2 ' compared '
enclosed micro wave owen chamber with rotating disc'
and EMdrive https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=emdrive (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=emdrive)
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35991457/emdrive-thruster-fails-tests/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35991457/emdrive-thruster-fails-tests/)
The EmDrive, copyrighted by its parent company SPR Ltd (http://www.emdrive.com/),
theoretically works by trapping microwaves in a shaped chamber where their bouncing produces thrust. The chamber is closed, meaning from the outside, it will appear to simply move without any fuel input or any thrust output. Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: Ufopolitics on March 30, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
Hey PmgR...are you trying to read my mind, or guess here, assume my thoughts now?...hahahahaha
Yes, I have a bit of that supernormal capability, mind reading
Man, of course, I know very well in Pierre's design, the Outer Core are the Rotating Fields as the Single Inner Coil is the Stator, or Secondary where output is taken from...Duh!
(I just do not want to take your comment above seriously... so I rather laughed).
Yeah, that was for anyone who would mistake the center piece as the rotor, since it is n the rotor place and that was what it was called in Pierre's thread. So no, that didn't apply to you 8)
Magnetic Fields DO ADD UP as simply as 2+2=4, depending on how they are set spatially.
So, I see you've got "all the answers" as why it does not work?!!
Did You Replicated this setup from Pierre, PmgR?
I am not saying I have all the answers, but I did simulate that rotor/stator configuration in FEMM and played around with all kinds of configurations to see where the flux would go. Even calculated flux couplings to the stator for different rotor positions. Anyway, what came out of that is that the total field in the stator is the sum of the field of all poles, but that is also equivalent to the field of one pole pair + that same field of that pole pair shifted by 120deg + that same field of that pole pair shifted by 240deg (spatial 3 phase geometry), so in total it sums to zero. Hence barely any flux with this 6 pole configuration in the stator. Similar to how 3 electric phases cancel out when added up.
All the replications found the same thing as my simulation results (no flux in the center iron) and that begs the question: what did pierre do different so he got a large flux coupled through the stator; he basically got 120-140V AC out of that stator while all the replicators only got maybe up to 10V out on their initial tries.
PmgR
Ufopolitics
After reading the patent in some depth, this is a summary of the action of the device.
The rotating outer N-S DC poles develop a small three phase output in the output stator. The steel in the outer rotor (patent reference) is close to saturation. The inner rotor coils are wired as a three phase 4 pole motor and are driven by this small output from the output stator coils.
This will develop a travelling MMF wave back into the output stator (see attached animation) and its this MMF that really pushes the output voltage up in the output stator coils.
The variable amplitude flux shown on the patent drawings for the inner rotor coils, is the flux due to the MMF travelling wave.
Due to the file size limitations on this site, here is the link if you wish to run the GIF http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/sinvec.html (http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/sinvec.html)
The synchronism between the outer stator pole phases and the inner pole phases is important so they totally reenforce, hence the design has rotational alignment requirements in the initial setting up of the device.
L192
It now makes me wonder if there is some merit in the attached device which appears to cut out the middle man so to speak, by driving a stator with a three phase current and via a set of additional windings allows an output of 3 phase current, at first sight a rotary transformer however, the inventor is insistant that the traveling MMF wave provides additional induction/output on top of the flux linked output.
L192
Here is the section of the patent that refers.
here is the link to the patent on Google patents...
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040007932A1/en
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=overunity.com+hyun+labs (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=overunity.com+hyun+labs) 8)
https://overunity-com.translate.goog/2329/die-technik-der-zukunft-oder-die-zukunft-der-technik/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://overunity-com.translate.goog/2329/die-technik-der-zukunft-oder-die-zukunft-der-technik/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Re: "The technology of the future" or "The future of technology" (https://overunity-com.translate.goog/2329/die-technik-der-zukunft-oder-die-zukunft-der-technik/msg31220/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp#msg31220) « Reply #1 on: May 12, 2007, 02:37:15 PM
Up-to-date:
from the current "Maxmat" brochure (hardware/home improvement store) an
Einhell "machine" offer, in this case as a mini air compressor, AK12/250:
9.95 euros, including the local 21 % VAT, !
What a euro/kg market price?
The US engineering company Lynx Motion Technology (Roy Kessinger) speaks of a degressive motor/generator price development to 5 US$/HP!
Can this already be achieved for micro-machines?
so for decentralized power supply the mechanical entry effort can be reduced to 1/10 ("decimated") of the current price level (1000 Euros/KW)!
Via hydro/aero/solar power converters to rotary motor/generator systems,
semi-rotative (~Mukherjee) to finally realize the "static dynamo" concept
(Kunel/Asaoka/HYUN Lab)!
Hyun labs : https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040007932A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040007932A1/en)
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070145959A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070145959A1/en)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/015943741/publication/JPH0923637A?q=pn%3DJPH0923637A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/015943741/publication/JPH0923637A?q=pn%3DJPH0923637A)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/026496590/publication/JPH09191636A?q=pn%3DJPH09191636A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/026496590/publication/JPH09191636A?q=pn%3DJPH09191636A)
https://www.volksbot.de/ (https://www.volksbot.de/)
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APq-WBs_02qIAuApNhb9IiFIMpUj-62WTQ:1648763812300&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=overunity.com+hyun+labs&client=firefox-b-d&fir=GpJhA7OqjTFECM%252CAjNcjBT8zTSGdM%252C_%253BbcsS8-eOYyv6nM%252CVk9zko51A4OpKM%252C_%253B234m0nmyu6c-uM%252Cwn3R0lxzaJEmTM%252C_%253Bu1aPdKXnxKRUYM%252CYBvmpoq160zmRM%252C_%253Bgjps8DU2DyXV2M%252Cf7IFjfTKv3QwgM%252C_%253Bs82qFn3MCulv_M%252CpHH6A_q7JOmBIM%252C_%253BOFQyn4-1Jt6ioM%252CYBvmpoq160zmRM%252C_%253B13EzekJmBwCgbM%252CAvhYsCpitEjFYM%252C_%253B73oDyG9ikk4QnM%252CHUFnlATC6gmVHM%252C_%253BsK5nAjeLCZnovM%252C-AgwUnuVM42BQM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQtp6rFDJRCp0WGHc0qHBVNXkL3bg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikz-bqq_H2AhUyz4UKHRqbCHsQjJkEegQIAxAC&biw=1366&bih=546&dpr=1 (https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APq-WBs_02qIAuApNhb9IiFIMpUj-62WTQ:1648763812300&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=overunity.com+hyun+labs&client=firefox-b-d&fir=GpJhA7OqjTFECM%252CAjNcjBT8zTSGdM%252C_%253BbcsS8-eOYyv6nM%252CVk9zko51A4OpKM%252C_%253B234m0nmyu6c-uM%252Cwn3R0lxzaJEmTM%252C_%253Bu1aPdKXnxKRUYM%252CYBvmpoq160zmRM%252C_%253Bgjps8DU2DyXV2M%252Cf7IFjfTKv3QwgM%252C_%253Bs82qFn3MCulv_M%252CpHH6A_q7JOmBIM%252C_%253BOFQyn4-1Jt6ioM%252CYBvmpoq160zmRM%252C_%253B13EzekJmBwCgbM%252CAvhYsCpitEjFYM%252C_%253B73oDyG9ikk4QnM%252CHUFnlATC6gmVHM%252C_%253BsK5nAjeLCZnovM%252C-AgwUnuVM42BQM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQtp6rFDJRCp0WGHc0qHBVNXkL3bg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikz-bqq_H2AhUyz4UKHRqbCHsQjJkEegQIAxAC&biw=1366&bih=546&dpr=1)
Die übrigen Suchergebnisse enthalten vielleicht nicht das, wonach du suchst. Trotzdem weitere Suchergebnisse anzeigen
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: for cheap production related applications :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=wolfgang+hagedorn&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=wolfgang+hagedorn&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
especially :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=wolfgang+hagedorn&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
and
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=andreas+sumera&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=andreas+sumera&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
https://paxscientific.com/ (https://paxscientific.com/)
https://biomimicry.net/ (https://biomimicry.net/)
RECHENBERG INGO PROF DR ING https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Rechenberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Rechenberg)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1#)
[0012]
The invention is based on the knowledge that there is an analogy between electrical engineering and flow technology. [0013]
This consists in the fact that an electromagnetic field around an arbitrarily bent wire-shaped conductor and a flow field around an arbitrarily shaped vortex thread are described by the same law, the Biot-Savartsche law.
The quantities "increase in magnetic field strength" and "increase in speed" therefore correspond to one another.
Since magnetic field strength can be concentrated by winding a current-carrying conductor into a coil, you can also achieve an increase in speed in fluid mechanics by winding a vortex thread into a coil.
If one arranges several vortices rotating in the same direction in such a way that their axes lie on a circle, they will rotate around the center of the circle as a result of mutual induction.
The induction increases with the number of vortices.
The winding speed increases and the whirl threads approach the shape of tightly packed ring vortices.
The velocity field that these ring vortices induce in their interior forms the desired concentration effect.
We,gyulasun and I ,found this listed formula as described " Biot-Savart law"-application in an old russian EE book
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780601&CC=DE&NR=2653497A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780601&CC=DE&NR=2653497A1&KC=A1#)
Lanca
Please !!
No more
Free energy potpourri patent tsunamis...
thousands of varieties and flavors !
Patents a plenty ( need a shovel to get through all this FE tonnage you posted in this thread....
No meat all potatoes!!
And still we burn our tiny atmosphere to ....etc etc
Please stop !!
Edit for comment below
Thank you !!
Lanca the offer stands ,
If you have ...(amongst all this info you post !)
Just one true anomaly,
which you know works as advertised...
to share Open source! ??
We can help this go out to the world ( have crystal clear paragraph written
by professor to peer standards !!
Just one will do !!
Quote from: ramset on March 31, 2022, 06:54:50 PM
Lanca
Please !!
No more
Free energy potpourri patent tsunamis...
thousands of varieties and flavors !
Patents a plenty ( need a shovel to get through all this FE tonnage you posted in this thread....
No meat all potatoes!!
And still we burn our tiny atmosphere to ....etc etc
Please stop !!
:o
The en-/de-coding base from em-based free energy devices : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biot-Savart-Gesetz (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biot-Savart-Gesetz)
With pleasure now : stopped the information management ! ::) ;) By experts,ever their bests ram-and rom- sets applying, demand !
Have a good day
OCWL :)
p.s.: nice the life from "elder forums-mens" ,probably the symptomatic phaenomen from Menopause(female) and /or Andropause(male)
https://dualdiagnosis-org.translate.goog/de/ratgeber/wechseljahre-mann/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://dualdiagnosis-org.translate.goog/de/ratgeber/wechseljahre-mann/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Wechseljahre, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsel_(Wertpapier) , Leben auf zuviel US$/EURO Kreditpump ,Typ "Schmarotzer" ;D
I would suggest that this is examined carefully.
https://casetext.com/case/in-re-holcomb-health-care-services
The essence of Holcomb's invention is that the input energy spent on creating a magnetic field.
And we get the rotation of this field for free. Rotation does not consume energy.
I understand correctly ? :)
Quote from: kolbacict on April 01, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
The essence of Holcomb's invention is that the input energy spent on creating a magnetic field.
And we get the rotation of this field for free. Rotation does not consume energy.
I understand correctly ? :)
The rotation of a regular world / physical object does not consume energy either ?
This attached paragraph is key..
If the rotor (outer coils) impedance is reduced, then the rotating DC poles with a flux level close to saturation, can be achieved with less voltage for a given current, hence less input power is required, or looking at it another way, more three phase stator output power can be achieved for the same input.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on April 01, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
I would suggest that this is examined carefully.
https://casetext.com/case/in-re-holcomb-health-care-services
Quote from: r2fpl on March 27, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
There is a lot of confidence that Holcomb is a scam. Looking for sponsors.
Sorry, but the patent doesn't prove it works.
Well !
Quote from: listener192 on April 01, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
I would suggest that this is examined carefully.
https://casetext.com/case/in-re-holcomb-health-care-services (https://casetext.com/case/in-re-holcomb-health-care-services)
What I got out of skimming that is first - Holcomb is one very smart cookie - a PhD in Pharmacology among other degrees and MD's is probably one of the most difficult to get with all the complex chemistry involved in getting that degree.
Secondly it appears he was developing electronic healing devices. Big Pharma hates anything that can heal electronically as it will greatly reduce their profit from all their pill pushing. Not sure if this is related to this case but Big Pharma will always go after anyone making or selling such devices.
Third it appears that he won the case - quote "JUDGMENT is hereby granted to the Plaintiff Holcomb Healthcare Services, LLC" although it appears he didn't get all he was seeking in terms of attorney fees being covered and some other points.
Bottom line is I don't think this makes him out to be a scammer if that is what was intended by pointing out this link.
Without independent testing, for example MIT, how could anybody be sure about this device?
L192
Quote from: kolbacict on April 01, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
The essence of Holcomb's invention is that the input energy spent on creating a magnetic field.
And we get the rotation of this field for free. Rotation does not consume energy.
I understand correctly ? :)
@Kolbacict
Nope, you do not understand it correctly...you have it backwards... :)
Rotation of just the magnetic fields...without moving steel cores or copper windings...just the virtual fields which could go through steel and copper like a knife through wind...
Rotation of this field is very inexpensive...cheap, and so, no need to apply any humongous super powers to turn the Generator Static Rotor...like we have to do to turn the rotor of a typical generator with a max load on...
And maybe some ppl won't believe something like this can "ever" happen...'cause is too "fictional" for them...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Floor on April 01, 2022, 10:06:51 AM
The rotation of a regular world / physical object does not consume energy either ?
I don't know.
If you mean rotation of earth ?
In this case i don't know as well.
QuoteRotation of just the magnetic fields...without moving steel cores or copper windings...just the virtual fields which could go through steel and copper like a knife through wind...
The fact that there are no mechanically rotating parts in the device is what I understand.
QuoteLanca
Please !!
No more
Free energy potpourri patent tsunamis...
thousands of varieties and flavors !
:D
Quote from: e2matrix on April 01, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
What I got out of skimming that is first - Holcomb is one very smart cookie - a PhD in Pharmacology among other degrees and MD's is probably one of the most difficult to get with all the complex chemistry involved in getting that degree.
Secondly it appears he was developing electronic healing devices. Big Pharma hates anything that can heal electronically as it will greatly reduce their profit from all their pill pushing. Not sure if this is related to this case but Big Pharma will always go after anyone making or selling such devices.
Third it appears that he won the case - quote "JUDGMENT is hereby granted to the Plaintiff Holcomb Healthcare Services, LLC" although it appears he didn't get all he was seeking in terms of attorney fees being covered and some other points.
Bottom line is I don't think this makes him out to be a scammer if that is what was intended by pointing out this link.
HHCS brought the case against Dr Robert Holcomb and won their case. Not the other way around!
https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/legal-dispute-over-holcomb-intellectual-property-expands/article_2afcce0f-8ac1-5240-b7fb-afd4444ce1e4.html
SO IN 2022 WE HAVE MOTOR WITH EFFICIENCY OF 98.8 %. NOW
THIS IS A MOTOR WITH MOVING PARTS. SO THE MOST EFFICIENT GENERATOR.
WOULD BE NEARLY THE SAME. SO HOW COME SOME PEOPLE FIND IT IT SO DIFFICULT TO
ACCEPT THIS GREAT SOLID STATE NO MOVING PART GENERATOR. QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT
HAPPEN TO THE BRISBANE AUSTRALIA FREE ENERGY GENERATOR. VAMOOSH. SO WILL BE THIS
ONE SOON.
I believe they were discredited a long time ago.
I AM WILLING TO GIVE 50 AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS TO UFO IF HE WANTS TO GET
TAKE THE GREAT CHALLENGE OF REPLICATING THIS PROJECT. BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS
HE HAVE PROVEN WORTHY OF ENDEAVORING TO PERSEVERE ONTO THIS GREAT CHALLENGE
OF ACHIEVING THIS ULTIMATE HOLY GRAIL OF FREE ENERGY. AND SO SHOULD ALL WHO CAN AFFORD
TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GREAT VENTURE.
There certainly is enough detail in the patent to allow a replication.
I don't think any standard motor or generator stators could be used though.
I think they would have to be laser cut, which along with the cost of sheet silicon steel, is an expensive undertaking.
Quote from: seychelles on April 01, 2022, 02:09:08 PM
I AM WILLING TO GIVE 50 AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS TO UFO IF HE WANTS TO GET
TAKE THE GREAT CHALLENGE OF REPLICATING THIS PROJECT. BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS
HE HAVE PROVEN WORTHY OF ENDEAVORING TO PERSEVERE ONTO THIS GREAT CHALLENGE
OF ACHIEVING THIS ULTIMATE HOLY GRAIL OF FREE ENERGY. AND SO SHOULD ALL WHO CAN AFFORD
TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GREAT VENTURE.
I will just take some vacations to the Seychelles Islands...LOL
Regards, just kidding.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: listener192 on April 01, 2022, 02:51:46 PM
There certainly is enough detail in the patent to allow a replication.
I don't think any standard motor or generator stators could be used though.
I think they would have to be laser cut, which along with the cost of sheet silicon steel, is an expensive undertaking.
@Listener 192
I do not need a Patent to build the primary concept, which is what I am putting together.
The concept is so simple...I was making a mistake in the past, which gave me output but no OU...
For the last couple of weeks the words from Tom Bearden (RIP) keeps pounding in my ears : "
Do not kill the Dipole!!
Now, I am sure it will be much more positive results than I had in the past 6 years.
Main error...I was Collapsing the Magnetic Field in every single angle turn (Asymmetrical Winding of Isolated Coils apart by 180º)...not good, the Field MUST remain in at least 85-90% ON at all times during operation.
A standard Generator head stator would do, just taking off the rotor and replacing it with a Lap Winded armature at very closed gaps.
I do not agree that it is required any 3 Phase AC like to turn the fields...at all!!
If You want 3 Phase AC output, then get or wind a 3 Phase Stator...but the rotor technology is exactly the same for 1,2,3 phases.
Even with a Universal Motor (OEM, as is) we will see anomalies...not easily understood.
Laser cutting is too expensive...I had cut laminations of 2.0 mm with Waterjet tech (many years back)...then stack them together, apply MIG welding tack points and high temp. epoxy all interiors and top-bottom...ready for winding... :)
I have done that so many times...in so many different configurations.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
About my previous post...
It is obvious that the Lap Armature or Stationary Rotor now, to be inserted into a Gen Head Stator, needs to be rated for 120-180 VDC and from 2 to 5 amps min.
For the generation of a strong enough field, we need a Higher Voltage than one Main Out V...(eg: 170V In 120 Out) as only 2 Amps required into rotor for an output from 25 to 20 Amps in just one single phase.
Of course, a 220 Output will put half amperage than 120V...the same exact thing as it works on a typical Rotary Gen...
As every Gen Stator has a secondary set of coils set at 180° just to feed rotor...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Below is the explanation of the so-called free energy. Makes no sense. He is simply explaining a B-H curve of electric steel. In a PV array, indeed photons are converted into electrons in a wire.
But this is magnetism. No electrons hopping from the steel into the coils... the magnetic fields moving the electrons in the coils, that is called induction. Nothing special about that.
And the installation of Clement Figuera is not about the same thing ?
Only in linear version.
Or is there no traveling magnetic field in this ?
Quote from: pmgr on April 02, 2022, 01:13:28 AM
Below is the explanation of the so-called free energy. Makes no sense. He is simply explaining a B-H curve of electric steel. In a PV array, indeed photons are converted into electrons in a wire.
But this is magnetism. No electrons hopping from the steel into the coils... the magnetic fields moving the electrons in the coils, that is called induction. Nothing special about that.
Agreed nothing special there.
There is no full explanation of how inner rotor tuning capacitance reduces the generator rotor coil impedance by 50%, which then allows each inner rotor pole to devlop 4.3 units of power in the output stator for each unit of power fed back from the output stator windings.
Reading the patent again this appears to refer to the inner rotor coils, not the outer rotor coils, which only develop a weak flux into the output stator, as their steel poles have large airgaps in the closing members either side.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on April 02, 2022, 06:02:54 AM
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Reading the patent again this appears to refer to the inner rotor coils, not the outer rotor coils, which only develop a weak flux into the output stator, as their steel poles have large airgaps in the closing members either side.
L192
Hello all,
Since we're back to discussing the inner stationary rotor, I want to finish my thoughts which I previously mentioned to Ufo. On my device I have some difficulty with attachments/images. Therefore I'll attempt to post the images here and then add my comments via edits.
Looks like I have the four images attached. Hopefully they are of proper size.
1st is a photo from subject's website of the completed 'rotor' to give some reference to the hardware and size.
2nd is a diagram lifted from a textbook or educational website. Sorry but I don't have a link. Google can find it for you. It shows the way a typical generator field 2-pole rotor is wound. The winding current is fed via slip rings or other method using a DC source. The winding is placed in slots which are in between teeth around the surface. Shown is a cross section perpendicular to the centerline of rotation (shaft). In the slots see circles representing the current. An X in the circle represents current direction into the screen. A dot in the circle represents current direction out the screen.
Note the magnetic field lines, and the direction of the cumulative field or as I call it, flux vector.
3rd attachment is from the patent showing how the rotor is connected.
4th is the center of the above diagram which I snipped out and enlarged. Then I drew in two circles in each slot to represent the two coil sides which lay in the slot. Each tooth on this core (16 total) is shown to have a 5 turn coil. So each of the circles drawn in the slots, represents 5 wires. Next I traced out the currents on the wiring diagram above from the 8 channels + & -, using conventional current direction, + to - outside the source. With this I am able to assign current direction to each coil side (circle) and add the X or dot, out of or into screen.
When the two coil sides in a slot have opposing equal currents, the net mmf contribution is zero. So it is apparent that 14 of the slots contain opposing coil sides therefore make no contribution to the field. Only slots between teeth 16 & 1 and between 8 & 9 have coils sides which aid each other and contribute. Hence the rotor will have effectively two coils of 5 turns each. This means only 12.5% of the copper is utilized at any instant. Actually less if you consider end-turns. About 90% of the copper is along for the ride or worse, needlessly wasting power and heating the machine.
It is for these reasons such cores are typically wound using lap or overlaid coils where the coil span (distance between coil sides) is nearly equal to the pole pitch. Winding such a core as they have done makes absolutely no sense.
bi
Hello All,
This company is making claims that seems to breaks all laws of conservation of energy.
Are there any true verified documents from independent companies?
This is nothing more then a transformer, I think by looking at this simple design they could be using Back EMF.
https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
This is a simple transformer. ?
Agree Bistandar. That's how the inner rotor is configured. It imitates a permanent magnet spinning around. The outer rotor is wired the same way and in sync with the inner rotor and reinforces the inner rotor. Per his patent images, the center stator is wired exactly as a 4 pole 3 phase generator stator. So basically no different from a regular 3 phase generator. For those of us that don't know, you can read this link https://electricalacademia.com/synchronous-machines/three-phase-ac-generator-working/ (https://electricalacademia.com/synchronous-machines/three-phase-ac-generator-working/) for a basic explanation of a 2 pole and 4 pole 3 phase generator.
Quote from: bistander on April 02, 2022, 10:20:18 AM
snip < Winding such a core as they have done makes absolutely no sense.
bi
> snip
Makes no sense unless it happens to work ;) If you are basing your statement on their patent info you do know patents often mislead with details that make it impossible for others to copy their work. Maybe consider this is intentional misdirection...
Hello All,
I agree with Bistander, in the fact that the way that rotor is wound has no sense from the wiring side or the magnetic output side. IMHO, it does not output a strong Magnetic Field outwards, but "mini fields"...however, as they are mentioning on Patent, that is their purpose, to start with a very low intensity field...
Now, apart from all "possible technical errors"...let's filter just the "Basic Principle"
And so, I, basically like to see the Big Picture here...and that is Rotating a Magnetic Field through metal cores and windings...the Basic Principle here...and so, the means to achieve it, could be right or wrong...I still remain with the Basic Principle.
So, I want to bring out here a couple of frame images from an animation scene I created a long time ago...(I had to scrap it from old drives, so glad I found it!!)... but now I consider it is of great value...
If We analyze a typical Lap Wound Armature Magnetic Field, simple, two brush type, two stators, while it is in Rotation...and, yes, this "scenario" applies to ALL Motors, PM DC or Universal Type, no matter if Three (3) poles all the way to 36 Poles.
We realize the Rotor Magnetic Field is completely Static*...while the rotor steel frame and copper windings are rotating...as the Two (Positive-Negative) Brushes imaginary line defines the North from the South Poles of the Field...
This Field Static Positioning (Independently of multiple series coils being reversing electrical and magnetic polarization at millisecond rates), this Static Field causes the steel rotor (that could be of massive weight) to spin...
completely static* Yes, I know it is not perfectly static, as there are acceleration and deceleration forces involved, which makes it oscillate in the borders, as a tendency to diverge the field in the sense of rotation in some kind of distortion.
And, please, correct me if I am wrong, anytime.
Point here is simple...we have a Steel Rotor with windings spinning THROUGH an invisible field, which remains STATIC.
Now, let's do the "REVERSE ENGINEERING" of above fact.
Why, can we just hold the Rotor-Coils assembly in place, keeping same air gap...and spin the same, intensity Field?
We all had this scenario in front of our eyes for hundred of years... :(
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@Bistander,
Don't this type of winding on Holcomb's Design, reminds you of the typical Outrunner BLDC Inner Static Armature winding?...where coils are basically wound on each pole?
And the BLDC (Hub Motor Type, Outrunner) uses Three Phase DC (Square Wave), but also set at 120º apart....some work with a sensor and others use one of the phase as the guidance for positioning...
See attached image...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 02, 2022, 02:02:53 PM
Hello All,
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Now, let's do the "REVERSE ENGINEERING" of above fact.
Why, can we just hold the Rotor-Coils assembly in place, keeping same air gap...and spin the same, intensity Field?
We all had this scenario in front of our eyes for hundred of years... :(
...
Ufopolitics
Yes Ufo,
We have it. With the polyphase AC stator. Stationary steel and copper with a rotating constant magnitude magnetic field. That field can be 2-pole, 4-pole, 6 ...., just like you can develope with the wound (or PM) rotating rotor. A charge in the air gap won't know the difference.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 02, 2022, 02:27:10 PM
@Bistander,
Don't this type of winding on Holcomb's Design, reminds you of the typical Outrunner BLDC Inner Static Armature winding?...where coils are basically wound in each pole?
And the BLDC (Hub Motor Type, Outrunner) uses Three Phase DC (Square Wave), but also set at 120º apart....some work with a sensor and others use one of the phase as the guidance for positioning...
See attached image...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Sorta. But what you show is an armature, not a field winding. The field on that motor is PM, and a lot more than 2 or 4 poles. What you see in the photo are teeth and slots, not poles. The magnets determine the number of poles. If you were to wire those coils like they did for a 2-pole application, you'd have the same issue.... only 2 effective coils and a lot of wasted copper.
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 02, 2022, 02:30:57 PM
Yes Ufo,
We have it. With the polyphase AC stator. Stationary steel and copper with a rotating constant magnitude magnetic field. That field can be 2-pole, 4-pole, 6 ...., just like you can develope with the wound (or PM) rotating rotor. A charge in the air gap won't know the difference.
bi
So, what you are saying is basically what Cotnoir did...in his own way of winding and switching...He used 6 Poles in his outer static rotor.
Now, in the other scenario, (lap winding) when we apply power to coils in series, with a "T" derivation to commutator element, and apply power at just two or four points of armature coils...current will remain the same within the whole series of coils, typically lower, no matter if we apply more power (V) to Armature...that is what happens in any lap wound motor...as I will dare to say that it even lowers amps, as we increase V...correct?
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on April 02, 2022, 02:40:33 PM
Sorta. But what you show is an armature, not a field winding. The field on that motor is PM, and a lot more than 2 or 4 poles. What you see in the photo are teeth and slots, not poles. The magnets determine the number of poles. If you were to wire those coils like they did for a 2-pole application, you'd have the same issue.... only 2 effective coils and a lot of wasted copper.
bi
Yeah, sorry, my bad, confused poles, meant teeth... :(
But point here is that a number of coils wound on each teeth, next to each others, determine a Pole, and that arrangement could be modified through their electronic switching PLC (programmed) and executed by each channel in many different "fashions".
I do not know if you've noticed, but on Holcomb's Patent Diagrams, he shows different configurations of magnetic poles (N-S) arrangements...
See image 23 of a different setup below. note the polarities change versus the FIG22 (which you upload it before)....yes, I know it has a different inner rotor coils added...but referring to same rotor as seen on Image 22 Poles config.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 02, 2022, 02:44:04 PM
So, what you are saying is basically what Cotnoir did...in his own way of winding and switching...He used 6 Poles in his outer static rotor.
Now, in the other scenario, (lap winding) when we apply power to coils in series, with a "T" derivation to commutator element, and apply power at just two or four points of armature coils...current will remain the same within the whole series of coils, typically lower, no matter if we apply more power (V) to Armature...that is what happens in any lap wound motor...as I will dare to say that it even lowers amps, as we increase V...correct?
Regards
Ufopolitics
Sorry Ufo,
I don't know what the other fellow did. And you lost me. What I am talking about it the common universally available polyphase machine like the NEMA standard 3-phase induction motors or standard synchronous generators of which millions are working in industry today.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 02, 2022, 03:00:53 PM
Yeah, sorry, my bad, confused poles, meant teeth... :(
But point here is that a number of coils wound on each teeth, next to each others, determine a Pole, and that arrangement could be modified through their electronic switching PLC (programmed) and executed by each channel in many different "fashions".
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Ufopolitics
Ufo,
It depends. Here, they appear to wind a core which appears to be from a DC armature to use as a field. Used as an armature, the field would determine the number of poles. Typically the coil span on the armature is made to be very close to the pole pitch, so one coil side is under a N while the other coil side is under a S. The point here is that it is a waste of copper to have conductors (coil sides) in the same slot carrying current in opposite directions. Current one way simply cancels opposing current. The net current in the slot contributes to the work.
And I had not seen Fig. 23. Obviously a 4-pole attempt. Has same issue as the 2-pole Fig.22. This has 2 coils on each tooth, in parallel of the same magnetic polarity, seemingly separated by some sort of magnetic bridge to adjacent teeth. Pardon me, but seeing what I have of this guy, I'm not likely to read the patent to further understand his logic, or lack thereof.
bi
Hi All,
I have found in the past doing Back EMF this simple diode set up works very good. It also protects mosfets at high speed switching.
Output should have capacitors to collect return voltage of BEMF.
Hi Ufopolilitics...
"We all had this scenario in front of our eyes for hundred of years... :( "
in my only post some time ago I was also asking something that looks very close.
anyway, a lot in common with Figuera and Antonio D Angelo patent.
Just rewinded a old rotor as holcomb/D Angelo have...need sometestings
rgds
Quote from: marcosbk on April 03, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Hi Ufopolilitics...
"We all had this scenario in front of our eyes for hundred of years... :( "
in my only post some time ago I was also asking something that looks very close.
anyway, a lot in common with Figuera and Antonio D Angelo patent.
Just rewinded a old rotor as holcomb/D Angelo have...need sometestings
rgds
Hello Marcos,
Great!!...good luck!!
I tried Figuera way back, is a different approach, about ramping up and ramping down magnetic fields...by use of resistors or inductors, either way it is just a short linear movement which plays with field intensity...
My new approach would be to keep a steady field (Input power constant), while rotating it 360º continuously inside a Stator Field...I see this approach much more robust and easier (flexible) to adjust field speed and intensity until desired results...then leaving it there...
I read your previous posts, yes, you have tried before...but no one paid attention... :(
Cheers
Ufopolitics
I was reading the DNV. These two pages sum it all up. Really, no kidding. A magnetic material with a high mu generates more electric flux for a certain current, than plexiglas... really... Now you know why we don't use plexiglas in transformers.
The third party who tested this (btw at Holcomb's facility in Florida, not somewhere else) must have had absolutely no experience in magnetism (except probably for his fridge door magnets)... :o
Good Morning ( PT-time),I am actually cleaning my work-table its content and I saw on a handwritten page an oval crised area :
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Also, I was looking at Holcomb's patent. Starting with the first claim, see below, how can something like this be patented?
This claim applies to most motors, generators, ceiling fan.... also considering that Pierre Cotnoir already did the same/similar thing and put it in the open domain.
I guess these days you can patent anything that already exists. If you invent something and start manufacturing it, yet then someone who buys your product decides to patent it, you are out of luck I guess (this assumes that a "first to file" versus "first to invent" system is in place).
Correct me if I am wrong here...
Maybe this device is just a three-phase transformer?
Hello to All,
Why is it that hard to distinguish the huge differences between AC versus DC Magnetic Fields in a Rotation?
AC keeps flashing currents between positive and negative at a rate of 60 or 50 cycles per second, which generates -IN THE SAME SPOT- Flashes of North-South @ 60Hz per Cycle. Hence there are absolutely no magnetic poles going anywhere, but flashing exactly in the same place.
Actually AC Currents keep resulting in zero in every frequency up-down, except it happens over a short period of time (60cycles/sec)
When several coils are positioned in a circular fashion, where they are aligned each others at 90, 120 or 180 degrees, and wound around circular steel cores and fed with AC, we get ALTERNATED N-S poles flashing -in place- at every coil...So, if we put a piece of steel within that circle, it rotates, NOT because there is a magnetic field "rotating" and the rotor is "following it", but because it is flashing constantly N-S Magnetic Poles across the center of steel stator, which generates alternated attract-repulse fields, which bolts down to "pull and push" forces across the circle, and placed 90º, 120º or 180º apart...or for a Three Phase it is a stepping action over time of three sequentially placed coils.
There are absolutely NO ROTATION THROUGH SPACE of the SAME North-South Poles in AC Currents.
A typical COMMUTATED DC Motor (PM or Universal, NOT BLDC) works thanks to a STATIONARY, IN PLACE, AND NOT VARYING Magnetic Field, and what makes it "rotate" are the constant Coils reversing polarities at every step of commutator, while Magnetic Field is STATIC within the whole motor embodiment, including the Stator.
Brushless DC Motors (BLDC) runs thanks to a Three Phase DC SQUARE WAVE, spread at 120º apart (except for PC Fans and other small motors, which work with just one phase DC with Hall Sensors) This 3Phase DC generates a FLASHING STEPPING FIELD, similar to AC, except they have a full positive, FLAT LINE alternating between Positive and Negative...above and below.
NONE of ALL Motors mentioned above, Not ANY Transformer, have a FULLY ROTATIONAL MAGNETIC FIELD, MUCH LESS, DC MOTORS.
*Developments on Figuera, Cotnoir and Holcomb did or are doing, is Moving THROUGH SPACE, a Constant, not flashing, not changing over time, NEVER COLLAPSING TO ZERO, Magnetic Field...and that, can only be achieved with a constant one Directional Current...called DC.
Exactly as Generators Rotors-Exciter, Inducing Fields do...except they rotate physically the Magnetic Field, by rotating the whole thing who carries it, namely the Steel Core and Coils...
What has taken place with above developments* is a CONSTANT, FULL MOVEMENTS or ROTATIONS of JUST the VIRTUAL Magnetic Field, without involving physical rotation of Steel Cores nor Coils.
Huge difference People...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 05, 2022, 09:29:39 AM
Hello to All,
Why is it that hard to distinguish the huge differences between AC versus DC Magnetic Fields in a Rotation?
AC keeps flashing currents between positive and negative at a rate of 60 or 50 cycles per second, which generates -IN THE SAME SPOT- Flashes of North-South @ 60Hz per Cycle. Hence there are absolutely no magnetic poles going anywhere, but flashing exactly in the same place.
Actually AC Currents keep resulting in zero in every frequency up-down, except it happens over a short period of time (60cycles/sec)
When several coils are positioned in a circular fashion, where they are aligned each others at 90, 120 or 180 degrees, and wound around circular steel cores and fed with AC, we get ALTERNATED N-S poles flashing -in place- at every coil...So, if we put a piece of steel within that circle, it rotates, NOT because there is a magnetic field "rotating" and the rotor is "following it", but because it is flashing constantly N-S Magnetic Poles across the center of steel stator, which generates alternated attract-repulse fields, which bolts down to "pull and push" forces across the circle, and placed 90º, 120º or 180º apart...or for a Three Phase it is a stepping action over time of three sequentially placed coils.
There are absolutely NO ROTATION THROUGH SPACE of the SAME North-South Poles in AC Currents.
...
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
You are wrong. The Alternating Currents produce mmf's which vary in amplitude over time in locations around the circular air gap. All these mmf's are a "field" in themselves which is, or gives rise, to the flux field, which is the sum of all the point mmf's at each instant. This "sum" or combination is in fact a non alternating constant magnitude flux which travels with respect to time around the air gap. A stationary charge, or test probe, in the air gap would detect absolutely no difference between the rotating magnetic field produced by the 3-phase stator and that from a rotating wound field or PM rotor.
It is not intuitive, but I've seen the mathematical proof as well as experimental demonstration. I realize that you do not believe this is possible, however it is the truth. Every engineering textbook that I can recall covers this at the beginning of the chapters on AC motors and generators. It helped to have the professor cover it in the lecture/classroom.
bi
@Bistander,
You are correct. I have done extensive modeling of EM fields in various areas and it makes no difference by what source a field is excited (DC or AC). I also note that Holcomb mentions that his DC exciting coils can be replaced or supplemented by an AC 3 phase rotor (he actually mentions the use of a 3 phase motor stator in one of the patens to create/supplement the moving field).
The fact that this device is over-unity is because Lenz is being circumvented/manipulated! None of this electron-spin stuff.
Quote from: bistander on April 05, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
... A stationary charge, or test probe, in the air gap would detect absolutely no difference between the rotating magnetic field produced by the 3-phase stator and that from a rotating wound field or PM rotor.
bi
Bistander,
If it makes no difference a 3 phase stator and a Permanent Magnetic Field then why, going through the trouble to insert Diodes in every Rotating Inducing Field in a Generator?...may as well get an AC wound Rotor, without Diodes, and it should do exactly same thing, with AC Inducing Fields...
Could You explain why it is not done with AC?
Also, we could just get a three Phase Stator, feed it with 3 Phase currents, and set in the center a Stationary Secondary Field, wound 3 Phase Coils...but then all we have is a 3 Phase Transformer right?...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 05, 2022, 12:49:45 PM
Bistander,
If it makes no difference a 3 phase stator and a Permanent Magnetic Field then why, going through the trouble to insert Diodes in every Rotating Inducing Field in a Generator?...may as well get an AC wound Rotor, without Diodes, and it should do exactly same thing, with AC Inducing Fields...
Could You explain why it is not done with AC?
Also, we could just get a three Phase Stator, feed it with 3 Phase currents, and set in the center a Stationary Secondary Field, wound 3 Phase Coils...but then all we have is a 3 Phase Transformer right?...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
It is done that way in 3-phase induction motor and generators.
Last question.... Yes. That is what I, and a few others, have been telling you. We've been doing it since Tesla, you just didn't realize it.
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 05, 2022, 01:08:32 PM
It is done that way in 3-phase induction motor and generators.
Last question.... Yes. That is what I, and a few others, have been telling you. We've been doing it since Tesla, you just didn't realize it.
bi
Bistander,
There are two basic types of 3 phase generators. (referring to the inducing fields type)
1- Revolving Armature is a 3 Single Phase Coils, overlapped but wound separated by 120º (Single Phase)...requires slip rings to output 3 phases PLUS Slip Rings to feed the 3 single phase currents...(
used the least)
2- Revolving Field Generator...which is a DC Field,
the typical and mostly used...
Info from link below...
THREE PHASE GENERATOR WORKING (https://electricalacademia.com/synchronous-machines/three-phase-ac-generator-working/)Cheers
Ufopolitics
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Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 05, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Bistander,
There are two basic types of 3 phase generators. (referring to the inducing fields type)
1- Revolving Armature is a 3 Single Phase Coils, overlapped but wound separated by 120º (Single Phase)...requires slip rings to output 3 phases PLUS Slip Rings to feed the 3 single phase currents...(used the least)
2- Revolving Field Generator...which is a DC Field, the typical and mostly used...
Info from link below...
THREE PHASE GENERATOR WORKING (https://electricalacademia.com/synchronous-machines/three-phase-ac-generator-working/)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
Scroll down that link you give and click on the path to this:
"Synchronous Generator Working Principle"
Read there and you will see the author refer to the rotating magnetic field produced by the stator, armature in this case. Quoting him, or her;
"The stator currents produce a rotating magnetic field in the airgap of the generator that rotates at synchronous speed. In essence, the generator has two rotating magnetic fields, one due to the rotation of the rotor field and one due to the MMF of the stator windings."
bi
If you read WO 2018/134233 A2 you see that he actually pushes the electrons in the flat solid state stator and get DC out.
The MU metal shield is important to.
Its more like a accelerator think CERN.
:'( placeholder :)
(to be explained)
Quote from: bistander on April 05, 2022, 05:37:21 PM
Ufo,
Scroll down that link you give and click on the path to this:
"Synchronous Generator Working Principle"
Read there and you will see the author refer to the rotating magnetic field produced by the stator, armature in this case. Quoting him, or her;
"The stator currents produce a rotating magnetic field in the airgap of the generator that rotates at synchronous speed. In essence, the generator has two rotating magnetic fields, one due to the rotation of the rotor field and one due to the MMF of the stator windings."
bi
Hello Bistander,
Yes, I read that, Thanks, but I knew that...it is the Magneto Motive Force (mmf) which is present whenever the Induced Circuit is closed by a load, So currents are flowing...it also takes place in Single Phase Generators, in motors...and all electromagnetic circuits.
However, notice the Inducing fields are DC?...the same old single bulky coil rotating DC Magnetic Field Circuit...
And that mmf generated at Stator when loaded, is just a consequence from main DC Rotating Field, so, of course it has to be in sync!!, if it is just a result, a consequence from the RPM's developed and Induced EMF by Rotor.
Related to the previous 3 Phase #1 Generator that I cited before...note it works (as Inducer) with a 3
Single Phase Lines (Not 3 Phase) wound spatially apart by 120º...so, the Rotor is configured to induce Stator Fields with the 120º "time stamp" sequence in a 360º spin...
On my concept, my testing, it is way more viable, simple and easier to use the typical DC Two N-S Poles Virtual rotation of the Field, than using 3 single phase...I mean, we could get DC power out from a SuperCap, a Battery, a PSU etc,etc...to generate that field...
But anyways, much appreciated your help here.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,On the picture you have your permanent magnetic field rotating (permanent magnet for clarity) .
And three coils 120 deg apart.
As a result you will have induced 3 sinusoidal signals in each coil, phase delayed by 120 deg.
Now.
Reverse this process.
You will have your DC magnetic field rotating.
:)
Pix
Quote from: pix on April 06, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Ufo,On the picture you have your permanent magnetic field rotating (permanent magnet for clarity) .
And three coils 120 deg apart.
As a result you will have induced 3 sinusoidal signals in each coil, phase delayed by 120 deg.
Now.
Reverse this process.
You will have your DC magnetic field rotating.
:)
Pix
@Pix,
Thanks, I do understand what you and Bistander are explaining, believe me, very clear...
But "reversing this process" brings more complications, as I do not want to involve (for now) any input from main 3 phase ...can you understand my point?
For me it is way easier, to start demonstration with a DC Constant Rotating Field...just one input, plus and minus, and just two poles, North and South, simple.
As for those that want to try using electronics to do their switching, it is also easier, much more easier, to start with simple DC Input, that could be switched easier and cheaper, than trying to make a Three, out of phase, smooth sinusoidal signals...
It is about to "prove a concept"...and to make it as simple as posible...for sake of understanding by all audiences.
Thanks again
Ufopolitics
agree with you UFO,here are drawing that i also posted on energetic forum same time when i posted here...
to me looks like may give something and I don't see what is against the books...
sadly, for me will take a month till i can test but I will follow your work closely.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 06, 2022, 11:00:09 AM
@Pix,
Thanks, I do understand what you and Bistander are explaining, believe me, very clear...
But "reversing this process" brings more complications, as I do not want to involve (for now) any input from main 3 phase ...can you understand my point?
For me it is way easier, to start demonstration with a DC Constant Rotating Field...just one input, plus and minus, and just two poles, North and South, simple.
As for those that want to try using electronics to do their switching, it is also easier, much more easier, to start with simple DC Input, that could be switched easier and cheaper, than trying to make a Three, out of phase, smooth sinusoidal signals...
It is about to "prove a concept"...and to make it as simple as posible...for sake of understanding by all audiences.
Thanks again
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I, and I assume Mr. Pix, have no issue with you doing it your way. But please stop stating that it "can't" be done with Alternating Currents.
And with the availability of motor speed controllers, 3-phase is easily, and cheaply, synthesized from DC.
Good luck with your project.
bi
bi, alternating currents will not work for this thing....well, not sure if cc will do but there is big difference between how they work.
as i remember from school, current into a coil increase from the time is connected till reach a limit. into a capacitor is maximum at beginning then decrease.
on this particular experiment should not be interrupt the supply, so a almost steady current will flow. only rotate brushes without breaking contact.
for those that also follow...
attached some of my work, old rotor re-winded and collector coils on iron core
Quote from: bistander on April 06, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
Ufo,
I, and I assume Mr. Pix, have no issue with you doing it your way. But stop stating that it "can't" be done with Alternating Currents.
And with the availability of motor speed controllers, 3-phase is easily, and cheaply, synthesized from DC.
Good luck with your project.
bi
Thxs Bistander,
But of course, however, now on your last statement (bold out by me) you are talking about DC Three Phase, as use on BLDC Motors...Now, that is something else, as they do have a flat side and not a curve sine...however,
they constantly collapse the Field, and It is a big "No,No" on this setup, if we want it successfully done.
That is my reason to reject AC.
Not that I am saying AC does not generates a rotating field...pls, do not take me wrong.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
See article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-frequency_drive
Simply connect DC source to the "DC link", between the rectifier and inverter bridge. I've done it a hundred, or more, times. And the windings on the outputs smooth the current waveforms and the resultant signal (power) is close to that of an AC mains.
These "AC Drives", as they are called, can be found, used, or surplus, fractional kW, in good working condition for like $100. A suitable used motor probably for less.
While it might work, I'd stay away from BLDC drives.
bi
Quote from: marcosbk on April 06, 2022, 12:45:05 PM
bi, alternating currents will not work for this thing....well, not sure if cc will do but there is big difference between how they work.
as i remember from school, current into a coil increase from the time is connected till reach a limit. into a capacitor is maximum at beginning then decrease.
on this particular experiment should not be interrupt the supply, so a almost steady current will flow. only rotate brushes without breaking contact.
for those that also follow...
attached some of my work, old rotor re-winded and collector coils on iron core
marcosbk,
I am not saying AC will work on any particular experiment.
Just stating the fact that a constant traveling magnetic field can be formed from polyphase AC. It's done all the time.
bi
Hi All,
These might be silly questions , but would you pls share your idea or comment
1- in first look , electron's spin might be something very usual, and looks ,same as all other general generators ,but there are new topic such as spintronics, which might be used in their innovation, a phenomena such as SHE ( spin Hall effect ) , as also highlighted in introduction's clip by Dr Holcomb ?
2- looking in the patent there are poles which drown by two fields over one pole ( as below shown) , is this driven by mistake or above guess may be appied for creating such distribution?
3 if Spin accumulations can create such filed over surface of Iron or with special coating on top of it?
https://m.youtube.com/c/ArkiverUnifiedEnergy/videos
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LfReXe66iLs
- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DPASLPy3yH0 + Kommentare,Comments
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L.W.
There are electric machines called selsyns.
They have a three-phase rotor winding and a three-phase stator winding.
Even I have one, Soviet-made.
Maybe help for your experiments?
As a finished product, with minimal alterations ...
@kobalcit
The same is AC slip ring motor. Widely used in cranes and electric winches.
Cheers,
pix
Word on the street ...... is this one will change everything!
Hopefully more info will be forthcoming !,(even better would be to
Open source !
Quote from: ramset on April 12, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
Word on the street ...... is this one will change everything
...
Please elaborate, explain.
Thanks.
bi
At this point There is no explaining !
For clarity,the testing which has been done ?
Integrity of claim is firm !
I would be extremely careful throwing the word scam
At this claim ( not referring to persons here who have
mused about claim
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
To persons not satisfied with above explanation
Do your own rigor and ....
(Or let's figure this out ....?
Quote from: ramset on April 12, 2022, 11:38:21 AM
...
(Or let's figure this out ....?
That is my attempt. Which street? What word?
bi
Maybe it's just me but I recognized the Holcomb layout as a radial version of the Hubbard device which has an axial layout. The inner output section is coarse windings, the mid section coils are switched and the outer windings the input/feedback. Holcomb seems to be using switched input coils which may be the downside of using a radial configuration. However if it works it works and a few extra switches is hardly an issue.
I agree with Chet and this looks like a winner.
Regards
AC
Quote from: ramset on April 12, 2022, 11:38:21 AM
At this point There is no explaining !
For clarity,the testing which has been done ?
Integrity of claim is firm !
I would be extremely careful throwing the word scam
At this claim ( not referring to persons here who have
mused about claim
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
To persons not satisfied with above explanation
Do your own rigor and ....
(Or let's figure this out ....?
holcomb revealed in an interview recently that he grew up in the family motor rewinding business. So there is that.
Why I think HES works as claimed.
This is the simpler one with only two poles north and south.
It's a solid state DC generator and it's ingenious.
From WO2018134233.
"The progression of the North pole flux and South pole flux across armature 59 is further demonstrated in FIG. 18. Pole 58(1) emits North pole flux 58a as discussed above which repels North pole flux 58b which emanates from pole 58(2) which has been excited by a pulse on the lead of leads 61L for the coil of coils 61 for pole 58(2). Flux 58b evolves from pole 58(2), 1.043 milliseconds (times are exemplary) after pole 58(1) is excited. The repulsion of flux 58b by flux 58a sets up a pulsing field which progresses across all of the armature's North poles. Pole 57(1) emits South pole flux 57a as discussed above which repels South pole flux 57b which emanates from excited pole 57(2) and which evolves from pole 57(2) 1.043 milliseconds after pole 57(1) is excited. The repulsion of flux 57b by flux 57a sets up a pulsing field which progresses across all of armature 59's South poles. "
He pushes the electrons in the flat solid state stator in one direction and gets DC out,
Read WO20181344233, especially page 16 - 20 .
The AC one is a bit more complicated, 2 north 2 south and rotated but the poles are still excited in the same sequenced way as the simpler DC one.
A little bit more from WO 2018/134233 A2.
"The poles are sequenced in the following exemplary fashion.
North pole 58(1) and South pole 57(1) are simultaneously excited
with DC current; 1.043 milliseconds later pole North pole 58(2) and
South pole 57(2) are excited; 1.043 milliseconds later North pole 58(3)
and South pole 57(3) South are excited; and then 1.043 milliseconds
later, North pole 58(4) and South pole 57(4) are excited.
Then 1.043 milliseconds later, the cycle begins all over again.
Each pole is excited for four milliseconds and then allowed to
collapse for the next period prior to being excited again.
Again, all times are exemplary."
A idea for "HES solid state DC generator core" with small ferrite U cores?
Here Cyril Smith (member Smudge ) makes very interesting observation/analysis,
As well others making interesting contributions !
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98563;topicseen#msg98563 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98563;topicseen#msg98563)
Smudge quote
The geometry of his non-rotor is nothing like that of conventional rotors, and certainly nothing like transformer cores. Those long radial tapering spokes could introduce some unusual effects. The field along the spokes will not be uniform because of the taper and note that he only uses conductive material. Spin polarised conduction electrons will be drawn along the field gradient attracted to the point of maximum field, which is the inner end of the energised spoke. Thus in his pulsed sequences there is this electron pumping going on that will affect the fields that couple to the stator coils. I can imagine the surges in this pumping effect being synchronized so as to provide anomalous energy transfer, with that energy coming from the spins of those conduction electrons. If the conduction electrons arrive at the rotor pole face while the field at the stator pole due to the load current (the Lenz field) is changing, the changing A field that produces the well known BEMF electric field could be of a polarity that tries to slow down the spins of those electrons. That is a recipe for OU. Note that the driving force on the conduction electrons is the field gradient along the spokes, and not the usual electric force coming from a changing magnetic field so there is opportunity to arrange the phasing to achieve the desired effect. Maybe he found this by accident and doesn't know it.
Edit added info. Note that a deficit of conduction electrons at the rotor pole face is just as effective as a surge, but in this case it is the spins in the lattice ions there that supply the anomalous energy.
Smudge
End quote
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Edit for bistander's comment below
Yes ,similar observations by others in link I posted above!
That being said
I love Smudges analysis towards a plausible path forward!
Perhaps a builders topic might be forthcoming (Smudge and Partzman host a moderated builders section here)
Hello Chet K,
I like Smudge's previous post.
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I have looked carefully at that latest patent application (it is not a patent) WO 2018/134233. Like other Holcombe applications it is weird in that it is trying to teach the patent examiner some basic EM history with references to Faraday, Watt, Gramme, Lenz and Tesla. Perhaps he thinks that will help in getting the patent granted. He is wrong with regard to Tesla's modification to the Faraday disc, it did not cancel the reverse torque. In fact he is wrong about many of his claims which come from someone who has only a naive understanding of magnetic phenomena. He states that his rotor as static hence reverse torque is not an issue, but then later on goes into detail on how his wonderful system cancels reverse torque. He mentions graphene several times and thinks it has high permeability. In fact it is highly diamagnetic and has permeability near zero. His view on fields emanating from pole faces is naive to the extreme. He talks about field lines running parallel to the surface of the rotor (this is not a moving/ rotating field although his rotor coil sequencing attempts to do that to field lines emanating normal to those surfaces) and that is just nonsense. He talks about unipole rotors and such things can''t exist (field lines can't just appear from nowhere, there has to be a reverse pole somewhere like along the drive shaft of the rotor that doesn't exist in his machine). He does show rotors with N and S poles but then doesn't use them in his battery replacement system which needs unipole rotors. So all in all a pretty useless patent application in my view.
Smudge
unquote:
From the same thread which Chet linked. Note the sentence which I bolded. Sumdge sums up my observations nicely with that statement.
bi
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[...] His view on fields emanating from pole faces is naive to the extreme [...]
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Hello,
With all due respect to the Professor...I would love to be "illuminated" as to "from where the field of magnets emanates from, according to his point of view, from his expertise"...??
IMO, the field in a magnet does not emanates from the face of the poles itself...but actually go through, passes by, exactly, through the center of the face of any magnet on Earth...And that "applies" to North and South poles.
And a Magnet is so much directional from that specific center line, right at center of face towards Space...that is so accurate, than a LASER Beam.
Many, but many experiments can prove what I am saying here...
But again, I would like to hear from the Professor...where does Magnetic Field emanates from?...
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
Many years ago I was in a room of investor reps including a cia guy and a couple of military contractors, and the former head of a major it co. One of the engineers from a mobile phone co scoffed that the inventor lacked any classical training. The cia guy snapped back quickly that's exactly the kind of person that could achieve this breakthrough because he did not know it was not possible. The same may apply here.
Quote from: Feb2006 on April 13, 2022, 08:10:36 PM
A idea for "HES solid state DC generator core" with small ferrite U cores?
Architecture
Cubical
Freelance https://www.google.com/search?q=Hundertwasser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=Hundertwasser&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
HES
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/186421/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/186421/image//)
virtual square- emg-waves in solid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave)
Alternative virtual to solid core-format(e) : Sine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_wave),, triangle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_wave), and sawtooth (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawtooth_wave) waveforms
resonant&radiant magnetic&electric noise (circuit) wave- or frequency- or function-generator
To search-machine f.e. google :
https://www.google.com/search?q=resonant%26radiant+magnetic%26electric+noise+%28circuit%29%C2%A0+wave-+or+frequency-+or+function-generator&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 16, 2022, 05:33:06 PM
Hello,
With all due respect to the Professor...I would love to be "illuminated" as to "from where the field of magnets emanates from, according to his point of view, from his expertise"...??
IMO, the field in a magnet does not emanates from the face of the poles itself...but actually go through, passes by, exactly, through the center of the face of any magnet on Earth...And that "applies" to North and South poles.
And a Magnet is so much directional from that specific center line, right at center of face towards Space...that is so accurate, than a LASER Beam.
Many, but many experiments can prove what I am saying here...
But again, I would like to hear from the Professor...where does Magnetic Field emanates from?...
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
Hello Ufo,
I believe you seek to be "illuminated" by Smudge. I in no way wish to speak for him and in fact would very much like to sit-in, or standby, should he address the subject. However, the subject is touched on in several threads on OUR.com. Member F6FLT has several discussions with Smudge in which both well state the science. You might appreciate reading some of those. Here is a link to one topic.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4273.msg98584;topicseen#msg98584
I mentioned to you previously that I think you put too much emphasis on the concept of magnetic poles, and the midpoint between them. I think "poles" are a concept used to teach magnets to those lacking prerequisite vector algebra education. And there exist no demarcation between poles. It'd be interesting to read Smudge's or F6's take on your use of Bloch wall.
I have difficulty enough attempting to teach in person and don't even want to try on this format. However I can, and have, learned a lot on these forums and the internet as a whole.
You are a wonderful experimenter and computer artist. I found your most recent video and graphics very well done. I await to see how you handle power and efficiency measurements and calculations. Good luck.
bi
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be)
Barkhausen effect was postulated as a "possible maybe "for a source of gain ? ? _which produce much higher voltages , when the domains toggle back and forth_
Postulated/mused by individual not associated with claimant
Or investigation of ....
That better iron and better switching .. might yield higher voltages
during toggling ??
@Bistander,
Thanks for the compliments...
Yes, I base most of my knowledge about magnetism on my own experiments, plus, I must admit, on many explanations on Forums...
Science related to magnetism is way behind...far, I mean, they are still using iron dust, or shavings to "see" a locked magnetic field...lol
And here we differ, related to poles and center wall...as, from where field emanates?
On my short video I have proved something you may have not noticed, and it is pretty simple to see and digest...
I can rise Output power by just rotating faster a virtual Field...without even touching Input Power...or not being affected.
Wait until I get a bigger, better setup, and watch whenever I add a load to Output...
You know perfectly well that a Universal Motor Stator is NOT wound as a generator is, as its core is completely different...hence will never output same amounts of power over time...and rotational speed from virtual field.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi Ramset,I found this other video of the barkhausen Effect, that shows how the core materials play a big role in theoutput of the Barkhausen induction output:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXVLDysroY
The question is, if Holcomb still found a better material that still enhanced the output even some more.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: ramset on April 18, 2022, 03:33:38 PMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be)
Barkhausen effect was postulated as a "possible maybe "for a source of gain ? ? _which produce much higher voltages , when the domains toggle back and forth_
Postulated/mused by individual not associated with claimant
Or investigation of ....
That better iron and better switching .. might yield higher voltages
during toggling ??
From WO 2021063522
"This system generates electric power according to Faraday's Law. The induced voltage in a coil
is proportional to the product of its number of loops, the cross-section area of each loop, and the
rate at which the magnetic field changes within those loops as well as the flux density of the
changing fields."
So ferrite core and faster exited (switching) like in inverters, probably makes higher output.
Quote from: ramset on April 18, 2022, 03:33:38 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLdCEQii5A&feature=youtu.be)
Barkhausen effect was postulated as a "possible maybe "for a source of gain ? ? _which produce much higher voltages , when the domains toggle back and forth_
Postulated/mused by individual not associated with claimant
Or investigation of ....
That better iron and better switching .. might yield higher voltages
during toggling ??
This (Barkhausen effect) may be drifting away from Smudge's proposed explanation.
But..
As generalizations.....
There is a time aspect to magnetization / residual magnetism.
For a majority of magnetic domains that will reorient into alignment with
the polarity of any given, applied external magnetic field, their reorientation will
occur very rapidly / perhaps almost instantaneously.
But also...
There is an escalating cascading, in the strength of the induced magnetization of
an iron object. Newly aligned polarizations increase the strength of the magnetic forces
produced by the iron object itself, as it is being magnetized. The iron's own magnetic field
in turn produces more alignments (up to a point). This occurs over some very brief amount
of time.
After / during that "some very brief amount of time" (typically less than 1 second), increase in
magnetization slows down, but still continues to grow.
... .... ... ... ... ... ... ...
There is a time aspect to demagnetization / drop off in residual magnetism.
In the absence of the applied external magnetic field, the polar alignments begin to
randomize again. That randomization occurs very rapidly within the first second or
fraction there of.
The self demagnetization occus very rapidly initially, but the rate of magnetic decrease
slows down over time.
Quote from: Feb2006 on April 20, 2022, 07:59:11 AM
From WO 2021063522
"This system generates electric power according to Faraday's Law. The induced voltage in a coil is proportional to the product of its number of loops, the cross-section area of each loop, and the rate at which the magnetic field changes within those loops as well as the flux density of the
changing fields."
So ferrite core and faster exited (switching) like in inverters, probably makes higher output.
Yes and this is in part, material composition dependent.
Larger (more massive) magnetic domains exert greater force than do smaller
domains, but also the larger domains will reorient more slowly than smaller ones.
Greater mass, numbers of chemical bonds and distance traveled, will slow down
domain reorientations, but it might still be advantageous to cycle larger fluctuations
but at slower cycles.
Note..
Fluctuations do not need to be complete polar reversals in order that they will induce
electric currents.
Hi all;
Just noticed that there is an interview scheduled for tomorrow at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAMQE3vykE
Not sure if you will be able to ask questions directly? Like has anyone witnessed the buildings not drawing any power from the grid while operating their device and powering the buildings they use as mentioned in their previous videos?
Seems that would put an end to speculation of whether their device truly can operate without external power.
Regards
Thank you for posting livestream link
Approximately one hour from now .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAMQE3vykE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAMQE3vykE)
Why now is he saying there is a 40% savings of electricity after they have been claiming it has been running for free? Their claims have made it sound like the whole building has been running off the grid. Did i hear that right? Using 40% less electricity is way different than off the grid. I am staying positive, but I am beginning to have flashbacks of Lutec.
Hello to All,
I watched the whole interview...no questions asked live... :(
But Dr. Holcomb keeps repeating that the Energy comes from this "Electric Steel"...and so all the atoms that align and re-align, etc,etc...
Generators have been built since Faraday invented the main principle, to having the first generators in history...from Gordon, Tesla, Ferranti, etc,etc...all utilized "Steel" for their machines...and so all atomic reactions took place ever since then...
I, particularly do NOT believe in any kind of "special steel"...or exotic rare alloy...that have these "magic properties"...otherwise Dr. Holcomb would have made first a patenting of these specific alloys...or exotic ferromagnetic materials.
Is Dr. Holcomb not assisted by Electric Engineers, or -at least- anyone "Skilled in the Arts" who can make him come to reality, and not keep repeating the same nonsensical explanation, everytime he is asked "Where does the Energy that your Generators produce, comes from?"
The Energy, simply, comes from the MAGNETIC FIELDS...and a huge "period" after that sentence, which literally means...and that is all!!!!
Without a Magnetic Field being generated FIRST, no Iron nor Steel on Earth will align absolutely no particles, domains or else!!...nada, nothing!!!
I do simphatize a lot with Dr. Holcomb and his views on all the development of his New Technology...However, it is crucial, that someone, gets him out of this huge mistake he keeps repeating over and over...
It makes him look extremely naive related to Electric Energy Generation knowledge and expertise...which is the "Business" He is in now...and not into Medical Sciences.
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
CAPTAIN IT STILL GIVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE FIRST
TO BRING FORTH THE HOLY OF HOLY GRAIL OF FREE ENERGY INVENTION.
I HAVE SEVERAL SUPER IDEAS UP MY SLEEVES.
I agree. His explanation is not giving him any credibility.
Quote from: seychelles on April 22, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
CAPTAIN IT STILL GIVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE FIRST
TO BRING FORTH THE HOLY OF HOLY GRAIL OF FREE ENERGY INVENTION.
I HAVE SEVERAL SUPER IDEAS UP MY SLEEVES.
I don't think any of us cares who brings forth the holy grail. It's just time someone did. I just hope when it finally happens it is open sourced. So we can all benefit. And keep those ideas cooking!!!
IT IS EASY TO SAY CAPTAIN. BUT WILL YOU TELL YOUR WIFE IF YOU HAVE WON
340 MILLION US DOLLARS ON POWER BALL LOTTERY?
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 22, 2022, 11:53:31 AM
Hello to All,
I watched the whole interview...no questions asked live... :(
But Dr. Holcomb keeps repeating that the Energy comes from this "Electric Steel"...and so all the atoms that align and re-align, etc,etc...
Generators have been built since Faraday invented the main principle, to having the first generators in history...from Gordon, Tesla, Ferranti, etc,etc...all utilized "Steel" for their machines...and so all atomic reactions took place ever since then...
I, particularly do NOT believe in any kind of "special steel"...or exotic rare alloy...that have these "magic properties"...otherwise Dr. Holcomb would have made first a patenting of these specific alloys...or exotic ferromagnetic materials.
Is Dr. Holcomb not assisted by Electric Engineers, or -at least- anyone "Skilled in the Arts" who can make him come to reality, and not keep repeating the same nonsensical explanation, everytime he is asked "Where does the Energy that your Generators produce, comes from?"
The Energy, simply, comes from the MAGNETIC FIELDS...and a huge "period" after that sentence, which literally means...and that is all!!!!
Without a Magnetic Field being generated FIRST, no Iron nor Steel on Earth will align absolutely no particles, domains or else!!...nada, nothing!!!
I do simphatize a lot with Dr. Holcomb and his views on all the development of his New Technology...However, it is crucial, that someone, gets him out of this huge mistake he keeps repeating over and over...
It makes him look extremely naive related to Electric Energy Generation knowledge and expertise...which is the "Business" He is in now...and not into Medical Sciences.
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
I don't care how it works... if it would work at all.
The highest priority should be to bring it on the market. First model should be small, so that everyone could afford buying it.
Quote from: skywatcher on April 22, 2022, 12:59:27 PM
I don't care how it works... if it would work at all.
The highest priority should be to bring it on the market. First model should be small, so that everyone could afford buying it.
Well...it happens this is not the On-Line Store for Walmart, Home Depot or Best Buy... ;D
It is a
Scientific Research Forum called Overunity, for renewable and free energy development(s)...SO,
it does matter "to know how it works"Btw, You said you wanted small, and cheap...but, what color did you say you want it?
LOL
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 22, 2022, 01:48:53 PM
Well...it happens this is not the On-Line Store for Walmart, Home Depot or Best Buy... ;D
It is a Scientific Research Forum called Overunity, for renewable and free energy development(s)...SO, it does matter "to know how it works"
Btw, You said you wanted small, and cheap...but, what color did you say you want it?
LOL
Ufopolitics
Well... you are right... but if Mr. Holcomb will not give us the 'blueprints' of his generator, the only option would be to buy such a device from him, and then (maybe) we could figure out how it works. But maybe he doesn't even know how it works.
Quote from: skywatcher on April 22, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Well... you are right... but if Mr. Holcomb will not give us the 'blueprints' of his generator, the only option would be to buy such a device from him, and then (maybe) we could figure out how it works. But maybe he doesn't even know how it works.
Skywatcher,
It is not for sale...He is looking for Investors at this time...
I would also love to buy one...or at least some of the components...but He still have some Patent pending applications.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on April 22, 2022, 02:08:37 PM
Skywatcher,
It is not for sale...He is looking for Investors at this time...
I would also love to buy one...or at least some of the components...but He still have some Patent pending applications.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
I know. It's always the same. Some people are playing this game for years. Never selling anything, because there is nothing to sell.
If i would be an investor, i would only invest my money if i get a working prototype, which i can test in my own environment, for a time period which is long enough to rule out any hidden batteries etc. This would be my condition. But unfortunately most investors are dumb.
Hi Everyone
I'm almost sorry I linked the "Live Interview" as it wasn't what I would've hoped for IE: Not a "Skilled in the arts" interviewer asking nitty gritty questions about how it works.
But there were a couple of things that answered some questions.
captainpecan: re: 40% savings of electricity.
You're right on that one because in the previous videos he mentioned running the buildings on this system. He did mention in the interview that the more you run it towards 100% or OU then the efficiency goes up. So I'm not sure why they're not running it completely off grid, unless it's a grid-tie problem or other.
Ufopolitics: Every point you made is spot on, especially with the "Skilled in the arts", otherwise it doesn't explain much.
My Take-Away was these few points:
The Plexiglass example (in his previous videos and this one) is for laypeople not "Skilled in the arts" to clarify that you can't get magnetic domains in any material such as wood or plexiglass but only special steel, and that according to him is where the extra energy comes from.
He mentions that it only takes very little energy to affect the magnetic domains. In one of the videos he mentioned 5 ms switching times but no other values.
He said that he will distribute these by the end of the year through an unnamed manufacturer and after that it will be able to be reproduced by any manufacturers able to build generators with a bit of re-tooling. He mentioned it was like a lisencing deal so that should help if it works.
So sorry folks, it was more like an infomercial with very little info.
Regards
Never say you are sorry for helping to provide facts! The only reason you feel disappointed in this interview is because he has made huge claims and still not really showing much to us. That's on him, not you. Please keep sharing anything you can!
Something interesting I'm getting from his interview is that what he has is simply a transformer. I know, it sounds stupid, but this is what I am hearing from him. He is just hooking it inline. I added a quick sketch of something extremely simple that every one of us already knows about, and it just seems to fit exactly his claims here.
Clearly, I could be wrong, but this does fit his description.
Hi all
I listened to the video again and heard something that I didn't hear the 1st time so here goes...
At around 1:20 and after that part of the interview it gets interesting in that he talks about magnetic pooling after relaxation of the magnetic domains acting on the electrical steel and it's atoms...I'm curious to hear from this forum's experts to explain how this could yield an exponential energy amplification...not an expert...just curious to see if his explanation holds any truth about electrical steel atoms and magnetic domains being manipulated to get a gain from magnetic spin around the steel atoms producing a positive feedback or whatever to get a gain.
Again, I'm not an expert which is why I'm asking anyone who can explain the possibility of OU based on what he is describing.
Regards
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A14.01[2].6 As an example, when the subject matter of the claim is "perpetuum mobile" it would not be recognized as complying with requirement (3) even where the international application complies with requirement (2), since it operates contrary to the well-established physical laws. Requirement (3) is also deemed not to have been complied with in cases of technical errors which are not necessarily linked with basic laws of nature but nevertheless result in a failure of the claimed subject matter to be usable for the special purpose indicated by the applicant.
From this I can see that the WIPO will not grant a patent to Holcomb, irrespective of whether the device works or not, as he claims the device is self running which is a definition of perpetuum mobile.
Without a patent protecting the IP, mainstream investment sources will not finance it.
L192
Quote from: captainpecan on April 22, 2022, 06:20:53 PM
Never say you are sorry for helping to provide facts! The only reason you feel disappointed in this interview is because he has made huge claims and still not really showing much to us. That's on him, not you. Please keep sharing anything you can!
Something interesting I'm getting from his interview is that what he has is simply a transformer. I know, it sounds stupid, but this is what I am hearing from him. He is just hooking it inline. I added a quick sketch of something extremely simple that every one of us already knows about, and it just seems to fit exactly his claims here.
Clearly, I could be wrong, but this does fit his description.
The cogeneration patent US20120007708A1 is hard to understand but my interpretation is that it was taking the neutral returns from a normally connected wye motor and connecting them to coils in the induction rotor of his device before returning them to the line neutral.
The idea is that he can generate say three phase power on the stator of his device without increasing the power into the motor or reducing its power output.
Somewhat like having transformers in the neutral legs of the motor wye connection, so if you load the transformer secondary you lower the impedance of the primary which ensures motor current is maintained. However by inserting the device you raise the impedance prior to loading, even though he used heavy gauge wire to minimise the I/R losses.
Unless the device does not manifest lenz current I can't see how this would work. If the device did not manifest lenz current, why would you need to go to the trouble of connecting it in this fashion.
Looking at all the filings for US20120007708A1 on the USPTO site, Holcomb went through an extensive rejection process for this application US20120007708A1. Eventually he got the application published but then he went through a similar rejection process as the USPTO reviewed the application. Eventually he gave up, as the documents show the application was abandoned due to Holcomb failing to respond to USPTO requests for information.
L192
GK did share this at Peter's Forum (Over unity research)
https://holcombenergysystems.com/technology-breakthrough/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/technology-breakthrough/)
I am uncertain if link or similar was posted here .
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on April 25, 2022, 03:45:18 PM
GK did share this at Peter's Forum (Over unity research)
https://holcombenergysystems.com/technology-breakthrough/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/technology-breakthrough/)
I am uncertain if link or similar was posted here .
Respectfully submitted
Chet K
I see they made the completely off grid claim again in theory 2nd system. I'm a little confused as to why they didn't show that system or talk about it in the interview. I'm curious as to why they are still paying the power company at all and only claiming a percentage of savings? I'm wondering if their self looping version isn't really working. I'm wondering if they are seeking funding to go further and he BELIEVES it will self loop.
I am not understanding why he isn't showing us the best part working. Wouldn't that help get him his funding? If I had a self looper and wanted funding, I would be showing the hell out of it! I'm wondering what's up.
You can find this video on that last link as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-gUj8HFC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-gUj8HFC4)
You can verify all the meters and power calculations in that video (note that some meters measure a 3 phase system, so apply the appropriate formulas for a 3 phase system).
Looks like the real thing. The only odd thing I noticed is the low power factors on some of the meters. Maybe he is converting reactive power (something for which you don't pay) into real power. If that is the case, the power companies won't be happy about that as everyone who would have a system like this would be putting an enormous reactive power request on the power lines.
opinion...
If the claims are valid, our personal electric energy costs would not decrease.
Realistically / most likely....
we would have to accept our paying between two and three times more per
KWH, before the corporates would allow this technology ?
But...
we might, in so doing buy time for our plant/ species ?
Realistically / most likely ...
in the absence of direct personal monetary gain, from it, probably most would not
approve of paying more for less, and do little, to nothing to bring about its manifestation ?
Man is a fraud and crook. Steals ideals, patents and then proclaims a break through. Research
https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/legal-dispute-over-holcomb-intellectual-property-expands/article_2afcce0f-8ac1-5240-b7fb-afd4444ce1e4.html
He ruins lives, leaves people holding financial burden and slithers off.
Is this the first attempt to disqualify the inventor with a legal battle from a new user account ???
Quote from: HolcombTruth on April 27, 2022, 07:47:01 AM
https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/legal-dispute-over-holcomb-intellectual-property-expands/article_2afcce0f-8ac1-5240-b7fb-afd4444ce1e4.html (https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/legal-dispute-over-holcomb-intellectual-property-expands/article_2afcce0f-8ac1-5240-b7fb-afd4444ce1e4.html)
Please only discuss the technical things of his invention and not some legal drivel in a newspaper... :o :o :o
- Alexei Smirnov
- Apr 1, 2004
- Is this an April 1st joke ???
That's a very lame attempt of a smear campaign. Now I'm more interested to look into this further. Makes you wonder why the attempt? Why not show something within last 15 years at least that could question his claims of his device now? No explanations of how it works and isn't OU? Just lame attacks.
The revival in this topic attracted me :) . Once Dr. Newman claimed that the amplification in his generator comes from the rotation of electrons .
There is an interesting coincidence with Dr. Holcomb's statement .You can try to simplify the device and apply several effects at once.
Two primary coils create and shift the polarization phase of the magnetic domains .Secondary coils create magnetic fields partially neutralize each other.
also the total field of the two secondary coils does not coincide with the direction of the primary coils and therefore has less effect on the primary coils.
I had to come up with a name: Two phase Domain Incredible Polarizer ( DIP ) :) .
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 27, 2022, 05:20:04 PM
Is this the first attempt to disqualify the inventor with a legal battle from a new user account ???
It looks to me like the same old case of Big Pharma hiring someone to go after anything which heals with electricity or magnets, i.e. something that does not use their overpriced drugs and other expensive treatments. With an electrical healing device you buy it once and never need to pay again.
There are numerous electronic devices that can heal many things but they are highly suppressed and ridiculed. Apparently Holcomb had created one such device.
I am amazed how such a simple method surprises surprise. What is the magnetic permeability of the core material?
With the same magnetic field strength, the magnetic induction in steel is greater than in cast iron. This is due to the fact that the magnetic permeability of steel is greater than the magnetic permeability of cast iron.
The magnetic induction is directly proportional to the field strength H and the absolute magnetic permeability μa of the magnetized material:
B = μaH. (35)
Example. The magnetic field strength of the coil is H = 750 a/m, and the absolute magnetic permeability of the core is μа = 0.0008792 gn/m. Determine the magnetic induction of the core.
Decision . Magnetic induction B \u003d μa H \u003d 0.0008792 750 \u003d 0.65 t. Since 1 t = 10,000 gauss, then 0.65 t = 6500 gauss.
method can be categorized as a transgenerator. excitation transformer, extraction as a generator.
It's like that the primary winding was wound over the core, and the removable phase was missed inside the core. In this embodiment, there is no inductive coupling of the primary and secondary windings. The transmission occurs through the magnetic flux of the core, which is why its magnetic permeability matters.
I've been working on this for a long time. Sincerely
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/04/electric-solid-state-generator.html?m=1
And i am doing this.
I was given a tentative option for connecting the coils.
What can you say?
connection has to be such as to fulfill arragement which give you zero lenz law effect while maximize EMF output
You are moving away from a topic that is much more interesting than Andrea Slobodian rotator rotator.
In 1902, Clemente Figuera introduced a converter in cosmic efficiency. His device received energy at the input from a small dynamo, with an alternating current output. The energy entered the device and had an output from the device, with a much higher power indicator. It was only in 1908 that a resistive switch was proposed to control and receive energy from a DC source.
The main thing is the concept that has been defined, not transformer but trans generator.
I am even more sure that Tesla's mechanical converter (late 19th century) had the same principle. A 90-degree shift should be sought not in the waveform graph, but in the mechanical placement of the structure.
I am giving a link to a Canadian patent:
Electrical generator - solid state configurationhttps://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf
https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2357550A1/en
Quote1. An electrical generator which has no moving parts.
2. An electrical generator with no moving parts which has no apparent size or output limitations.
3. An electrical generator which operates with all of its essential components, including electromagnets and coils, in stationary position.
4. A solid state electrical generator.
5. A solid state electrical generator which can provide its energy or electrical current output as either alternating current, or direct current.
6. An electrical generator which requires no mechanical motive power for its operation or output.
7. An electrical generator which can be built in a more compact form, for the amount of its potential output than would be the case with mechanically powered and operated electrical generators.
8. An electrical generator which can be miniaturized to very small proportions, to where it may be used as a small portable or emergency energy source, in either AC or DC, to power electronic, radio or telecommunications installations, etc.
9. An electrical generator which, when energized by an available DC power source, can operate for the long term, to the extent of the lifespan of one or more of its essential components.
I think if you have a brain, you don't need commentaries.
This is still the same concept of an electromagnetic converter according to the trans generator principle.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 01, 2022, 03:09:42 AM
It was only in 1908 that a resistive switch was proposed to control and receive energy from a DC source.
This switch with resistors is simply a circular rheostat with a running contact along the wire.
In any case, a round rheostat without a limiter would produce a smoother change in resistance.
Why didn't Figuera use it?
з.ы.
How can I get to Ukraine now?
Only through third countries? ;)
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c0/74/57/63c418177a51dc/US20020125774A1.pdf
Аnother similar design!
It has inaccuracies where direct repetition makes it meaningless.
In the left figure, the location of the excitation electromagnets indicated in the patent (absurd from the point of view of working with the phase winding of the output current), in the right figure, my edits how to do it right.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 01, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c0/74/57/63c418177a51dc/US20020125774A1.pdf
Аnother similar design!
It has inaccuracies where direct repetition makes it meaningless.
In the left figure, the location of the excitation electromagnets indicated in the patent (absurd from the point of view of working with the phase winding of the output current), in the right figure, my edits how to do it right.
Hello rakarskiy,
I think you miss the fact it is for 3-phase, 2-pole as shown in his Fig. 6.
bi
I also have been working on this systems for a very long time...
Figuera did NOT get his input from "any dynamo"...but from a simple Battery...
Figuera used a Commutator driven by a very small motor (that he got built for him in Germany) and the effect he created was to MOVE the VIRTUAL MAGNETIC FIELD back and forth in the Exciting Coils, in a sequential way in order to Induce all his Output Coils in front and rear of the exciters.
I have also reproduced Figuera, plus I have read his Patent from the original Language it was written (Spanish)...There are a lot of bad translations going around...
This is NOT about any Transformer or Trans Generator kind of deal...
This is simply moving a VIRTUAL MAGNETIC FIELD through Steel Cores and Copper Coils...
And there are MANY WAYS to attempt to build this...However, to be "successful" is NOT guaranteed... ;D
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics
QuoteI also have been working on this systems for a very long time...
Figuera did NOT get his input from "any dynamo"...but from a simple Battery...
Initially I thought so as well however from the 1908 patent after Figuera describes his rotary switch ...
QuoteFrom this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely.
Here he seems to claim he removes the feeding current, the battery, and the machine becomes self-exciting. I believe I caught this around 2016 and didn't know what to think initially. My theory at the time was that the independently induced coils "y" may feed energy back into the system or the switched german silver resistance coils "R" play some part.
It's definitely an enigma and I learn something new every time I reread a patent, more so after a period of time. I takes time for an idea to properly form in our mind.
I also look at the "keywords" used throughout a patent to describe a component or feature. Here Figuera talks about self-excitation, working without any help indefinitely, no new force is required and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely. I could be wrong but my intuition tells me this is a self-runner and does not need an input source to operate.
Of course today were not allowed to use such language or a patent is labelled a perpetua mobilia. I found all the patents prior to 1940 are where all the best descriptions of working technology are found. All this new age bs never did start my tractor, lol.
Regards
AC
Friends, I came to my transformer (on the principle of a transgenerator) myself, several years ago. Only then did I start looking for similar technologies and found them with Clemente Figuer (possibly Tesla), a French patent, and all other devices change only in name and engineering design, but the principle is common to all. I'm not entirely public on the resonant circuit system and this transgeneration technology. There are also my mechanical developments on a similar principle "Rotoverter RAGEN". In the near future I will finish my material, I want it to be with a calculation algorithm. By the way, I worked out the principle of transgeneration (for a removable transformer) in order to remove power from the resonant circuit, but when everything came together in the calculated data, I was convinced of my mistake. But for the electromagnetic principle, this method is the best.
In the figure, where I show an error in a continuous Electric Generator, this is fundamental, if you have not seen, then you do not understand how the phase of the secondary circuit should work.
There are no secrets, everything is in physics textbooks, and these designs are engineering art.
Attached is the Portnov generator, a similar principle for understanding.
Rakarskiy
Indeed it is an art...
Many would suppose these electrical devices are life less like paint and anyone can throw them together. However only a true artist can turn ordinary paint into a masterpiece. The paint has little to do with it and it was the creativity, vision and application which produced the end result.
Sure some could be taught to paint by numbers but we should never confuse what a real artist does. An artist takes something ordinary and turns it into something unique greater than the simple sum of its parts.
Regards
AC
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 02, 2022, 01:24:57 AM
Friends, I came to my transformer (on the principle of a transgenerator) myself, several years ago. Only then did I start looking for similar technologies and found them with Clemente Figuer (possibly Tesla), a French patent, and all other devices change only in name and engineering design, but the principle is common to all. I'm not entirely public on the resonant circuit system and this transgeneration technology. There are also my mechanical developments on a similar principle "Rotoverter RAGEN". In the near future I will finish my material, I want it to be with a calculation algorithm. By the way, I worked out the principle of transgeneration (for a removable transformer) in order to remove power from the resonant circuit, but when everything came together in the calculated data, I was convinced of my mistake. But for the electromagnetic principle, this method is the best.
In the figure, where I show an error in a continuous Electric Generator, this is fundamental, if you have not seen, then you do not understand how the phase of the secondary circuit should work.
There are no secrets, everything is in physics textbooks, and these designs are engineering art.
Attached is the Portnov generator, a similar principle for understanding.
Thanks rakarskiy, Attached is your PDF translated with Google translate to English:
I agree that engineering creativity leads to inventions. The main thing is that nothing can be done with minimal knowledge. But really. we invent everything that is already invented and hidden. A little about my project (Solid State Generator "UKRAINE") and what it is based on. No electronic theory, everything is based on the Law of electromagnetic induction (preferably according to Maxwell), on Ohm's laws, for electric and magnetic circuits.
I'm trying to make a pulse system, in my opinion it should be more powerful, since there are a lot of losses in the remagnetization of the core (hysteresis). I want to note that Tesla and Dolivo-Dobrovolsky associated the future of energy with impulse technologies.
Sincerely.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/electric-solid-state-generator-tg.html
I ask,how me get to your ukraine now ?
Quote from: kolbacict on May 03, 2022, 05:38:15 AM
I ask,how me get to your ukraine now ?
If you are in the list of countries, join the just defense of my country UKRAINE as a legionnaire (foreign legion of Ukraine). Russian barbarian cannibals who vilely attacked my country back in 2014, and on April 24, 2022 treacherously invaded with a large army from different directions, destroy cities, kill peaceful men, women and children.
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/en-ru.ru.6b0794a0-6270fbe4-87adeb16-74722d776562/https/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Legion_of_Territorial_Defense_of_Ukraine
https://uacrisis.org/ru/internatsionalnyj-legion
PS The post is off topic, but it is the answer to the question. https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-war-in-ukraine-glory-to-ukraine.html
thanks.
Solid-state electromagnetic rotor
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/eb/0c/07/d463fa60c9f935/WO2021063522A1.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCybmZRY4-LZi3ZHsqByvOwQ ?????????
If a guy instead of a jumper core with a removal coil, made an internal armature with grooves, and wound the generator winding, he would get the desired design of a solid-state transgenerator. By the way, he just needs to remove the core and make a block of removable windings fixed using the slots of the generator.
https://youtu.be/Pnein7agC_8
QuoteWe have already created the first HES prototype for cell phones. This technology is scalable for all imaginable applications... Imagine one day never having to charge your phone or computer again!
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf
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https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/electric-solid-state-generator-tg.html
What is the basis of the action of the generator, leading to the effect of overunity. Just read an excerpt from a physics textbook:
Quote"Ferromagnetic materials, such as iron, cobalt, nickel and their alloys, steel, etc., are widely used in various electrical machines and apparatus to amplify the magnetic field and give it a certain shape.
If a ferromagnetic material is placed in a coil and an electric current is passed through its turns, then under the influence of the magnetic field created by the current, the material is magnetized. This means that the material has its own magnetic field, obtained as a result of the addition of magnetic fields (magnetic moments) of individual atoms.
A change in the current strength in the coil leads to a change in the strength of its magnetic field H, which causes a change in the magnetic induction B in the core of this coil.
The state of a material in which a further increase in the magnetic field strength does not lead to an increase in its magnetization is called magnetic saturation.
The magnetic properties of materials are characterized by their absolute magnetic permeability μa. It is determined by the ratio of the magnetic induction B to the magnetic field strength H and is measured in henry/meter (gn/m): μa = B/H
Absolute magnetic permeability of vacuum μa = 4π 10-7 gn/m. For air and other non-ferromagnetic materials, it slightly differs from μa and, in technical calculations, is taken equal to 4π · 10-7 gn/m.
Since the absolute magnetic permeability for vacuum and the above materials is practically the same, then μa is called the magnetic constant μ0.
The absolute magnetic permeability μa of ferromagnetic materials is not constant and is many times higher than the magnetic permeability of vacuum.
The number showing how many times the absolute magnetic permeability μа of a ferromagnetic material is greater than the magnetic constant μ0 is called relative magnetic permeability μ or magnetic permeability for short: μ = μа / μ0
With the same magnetic field strength, the magnetic induction in steel is greater than in cast iron. This is due to the fact that the magnetic permeability of steel is greater than the magnetic permeability of cast iron. The magnetic induction is directly proportional to the field strength H and the absolute magnetic permeability μа of the magnetized material: B = μаH
Example. The magnetic field strength of the coil is H = 750 A/m, and the absolute magnetic permeability of the core is μа = 0.0008792 gn/m. Determine the magnetic induction of the core.
Decision. Magnetic induction B = μаH = 0,0008792 · 750 = 0,65 T.
Since 1 T = 10,000 gauss, then 0.65 t = 6500 gauss."
Let me explain what is "surprising" in this issue, which everyone knows about and no one sees point-blank, that this is overunity. Imagine the winding of a toroidal transformer with an iron core and an air frame.
The intensity of the magnetic field, which is created in the ring core when current I flows through the winding, can be calculated by the formula: H = N*I/l, where: N is the number of turns; I - current strength in the wire, Ampere; l is the length of the ring along the midline, meters.
Let's say we have 75 turns, with a current in the wire equal to 1 Ampere and a length of the middle line of the ring core 100 mm (0.1 meter): H = N * I / l = 75 * 1 / 0.1 = 750 A / m
Source voltage U = 5 V, power is P = UI = 5 * 1 = 5 W
Absolute magnetic permeability: air = 1.25663753 * 10(−6) (0.000001257) gn / m, core = 0.0008792 gn / m, it remains only to calculate the magnetic induction at a magnetic field strength of the winding equal to 750 A / m:
Without core: B = μаH = 0.00000125663753 *750 = 0.000942478 T,
With a core: B = μaH = 0.0008792 * 750 = 0.6594 T.
With the same expended source power of 5 W, we obtained an increase in the resulting magnetic induction by 700 times.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 04, 2022, 07:35:41 AM
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With the same expended source power of 5 W, we obtained an increase in the resulting magnetic induction by 700 times.
Hi Rakarsky,
This is exactly what I have been experimenting with for the past 8 months. I'm glad someone else sees it for what it is, thanks for speaking up.
Regards
We take the company's patent,
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/eb/0c/07/d463fa60c9f935/WO2021063522A1.pdf
and we compare it with the principle of the Figure generator. It is more logical to alternate electromagnets by polarity.
I congratulate Robert Holcomb on the realization of an idea that is more than 110 years old.
By the way, the patent rights to the Figuerа Generator belong to the World Bank. Such simple information, if suddenly everything collapses with development, as always.
Hello to All,
Text books related to magnetism, plus properties...are full of BS, and lots of confusing terms...for example, a part of the text cited prior by Rakarsky:
QuoteIf a ferromagnetic material is placed in a coil and an electric current is passed through its turns, then under the influence of the magnetic field created by the current, the material is magnetized. This means that "the material has its own magnetic field", obtained as a result of the addition of magnetic fields (magnetic moments) of individual atoms.
Negative to the "affirmation" that the "Material (Iron Core) has its own Magnetic Field" !!!
The Magnetic Field, INVOKED by passing currents through a SPECIFIC WOUND copper wire that we all know as "COIL" , generates A MAGNETIC FIELD (JUST ONE), which is TRANSFERRED to the Iron Core Mass, and going into details, to align the specific domains.
A Magnetic Field is a SPATIAL SPECTRUM FIELD, which is INVOKED (so far by ancient knowledge, as the only way we all know so far...) based on currents flowing in a continuous spiral shaped geometry of any given conductor, period.
This Field can "transfer, redirect, jump to", etc,etc to any given ferromagnetic material...
But, still, even in another material...whether by transfer, redirection or else...is the SAME ORIGINATED FIELD.
From "my own text book"... ;D
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, how are permanent magnets made? Your textbook is very inaccurate.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 04, 2022, 09:20:46 AM
Ufopolitics, how are permanent magnets made? Your textbook is very inaccurate.
Rakarsky,
Want a debate?...sorry, but do not have the time, nor the interest.
You and I know perfectly well "how PM are made"...different thing from what the text book is citing, which is a TEMPORARY FERROMAGNETIC CORE, that when that circular current STOPS FLOWING, the Field collapses.
And so, my point was simple...there are not "Two Magnetic Fields" there...or one for the coil current flowing PLUS "another one" for the core...that is entirely B.S.Permanent Magnets are made of specific materials, (from ceramics to Neodymium) which happen to have specific characteristics VERY DIFFERENT from a plain and common steel core, whether laminated or not...these characteristics allow them to preserve the Magnetic Field that was "STAMPED" for very long periods of time....some call it "Magnetic Memory"...
Ufopolitics
Math and scientific theories exist to explain an effect.
I focus on the effect first.
Cheers
Ufopolitics, Controversy!?
https://www.bog5.in.ua/lection/magnetism_lect/lect6_magn_eng.html
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/Documents/college-eps/metallurgy/research/Magnetic-Materials-Background/Magnetic-Materials-Background-10-Soft-Magnets.pdf
Why is the demagnetization property important for electrical steel? Small magnetic memory?
There are ferro materials that are poorly demagnetized, and if they are poorly demagnetized, then they have their own magnetic field after removing the electromagnetic source that generated the field in the material. Or this field was already there, and this effect is called residual magnetization, it's just that in certain paramagnets it is very high.
The question of the dimensionality of self-induction of a coil with a core and without a core from a ferro material is generally a classic.
I do not exclude your vision of the problem at all. But I will not concede my point of view.
With respect.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 04, 2022, 10:29:14 AM
Ufopolitics, Controversy!?
https://www.bog5.in.ua/lection/magnetism_lect/lect6_magn_eng.html (https://www.bog5.in.ua/lection/magnetism_lect/lect6_magn_eng.html)
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/Documents/college-eps/metallurgy/research/Magnetic-Materials-Background/Magnetic-Materials-Background-10-Soft-Magnets.pdf (https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/Documents/college-eps/metallurgy/research/Magnetic-Materials-Background/Magnetic-Materials-Background-10-Soft-Magnets.pdf)
Why is the demagnetization property important for electrical steel? Small magnetic memory?
There are ferro materials that are poorly demagnetized, and if they are poorly demagnetized, then they have their own magnetic field after removing the electromagnetic source that generated the field in the material. Or this field was already there, and this effect is called residual magnetization, it's just that in certain paramagnets it is very high.
The question of the dimensionality of self-induction of a coil with a core and without a core from a ferro material is generally a classic.
I do not exclude your vision of the problem at all. But I will not concede my point of view.
With respect.
We all live in a huge Magnetic Field...some live closer to the pole division lines...or the middle...or the poles itself...therefore, we are observing all kind that some call "magnetic anomalies" which is a product of our own planet environmental properties.
Fact is that by just spinning a piece of a non magnetized steel bar in a Lathe, at high RPM's...and working on it by just shaving some metal off...it becomes "magnetized"...and we all can see how the shavings keep adhered to the piece of originally "non magnetized steel"... ;D
There are "Field Effects" everywhere you look around...
Related to the "demagnetization rates" or the "Magnetic Reminiscences"...have a lot to do with the type of Field that "influenced" them...
For example,
a constant one way field, being applied to the same piece of steel...for long periods of time, end up magnetizing that piece of steel, even if currents are no longer flowing...BUT NOT with the same intensity as the original field strength!!...yes, it is called "reminiscence"...and we see it in every Generator Rotor Steel Core...which have a "one way" DC Field at all times during operation.
Now, you apply the REVERSE FIELD (reversing current flow), to that same piece of steel...and vualá...it looses all "reminiscence"...
If you are applying a
constantly reversing field to a piece of steel...it will hardly get magnetized, or have any magnetic reminiscence...like a Stator in a Generator...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, all these charms are studied on the course in any decent educational institution.
It is for this design that knowledge of electric and magnetic circuit currents is important.
If a gap of at least 1 m is made in the annular core, the result of magnetic induction will be different, much smaller.
Good luck to you! Sincerely yours!
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 04, 2022, 09:03:27 AM
I congratulate Robert Holcomb on the realization of an idea that is more than 110 years old.
I mentioned the similarity of the device with Figuera's device a month ago.
Nobody heard me . :(
I just don't understand the role of switchable resistance.
It's just an ordinary rheostat. :)
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 04, 2022, 07:35:41 AM
What is the basis of the action of the generator, leading to the effect of overunity. Just read an excerpt from a physics textbook:
Let me explain what is "surprising" in this issue, which everyone knows about and no one sees point-blank, that this is overunity. Imagine the winding of a toroidal transformer with an iron core and an air frame.
The intensity of the magnetic field, which is created in the ring core when current I flows through the winding, can be calculated by the formula: H = N*I/l, where: N is the number of turns; I - current strength in the wire, Ampere; l is the length of the ring along the midline, meters.
Let's say we have 75 turns, with a current in the wire equal to 1 Ampere and a length of the middle line of the ring core 100 mm (0.1 meter): H = N * I / l = 75 * 1 / 0.1 = 750 A / m
Source voltage U = 5 V, power is P = UI = 5 * 1 = 5 W
Absolute magnetic permeability: air = 1.25663753 * 10(−6) (0.000001257) gn / m, core = 0.0008792 gn / m, it remains only to calculate the magnetic induction at a magnetic field strength of the winding equal to 750 A / m:
Without core: B = μаH = 0.00000125663753 *750 = 0.000942478 T,
With a core: B = μaH = 0.0008792 * 750 = 0.6594 T.
With the same expended source power of 5 W, we obtained an increase in the resulting magnetic induction by 700 times.
:D Then why every transformer isn't OU?
Listen, everyone who graduated secondary school knows what permeability is and that ferromagnetic materials amplify weak magnetic field.
As soon as you want to utilise that amplified magnetic field and current is flowing in the output coil-Lenz law applies, and small current in the output coil is enough to create opposite amplified magnetic field counter reacting amplified magnetic field created by inducing current from the input coil. It works both ways.
Cheers,
Pix
Years ago, I tried to replicate Figueira's setup, but I stopped short (no time). This video shows the resistance array that I put together ( just as an example)
https://youtube.com/shorts/nAeWdqSCTek?feature=share
Quote from: kolbacict on May 05, 2022, 02:28:40 AM
I mentioned the similarity of the device with Figuera's device a month ago.
Nobody heard me . :(
I just don't understand the role of switchable resistance.
It's just an ordinary rheostat. :)
Figuera, judging by his patents, has two designs in the form of a dynamo with fixed parts (1902), and a second patent (1908), revealing the essence of control, by changing the magnetic induction of the magnetic field in electromagnets, due to a smooth change in resistance in the circuit of electromagnets (through the slider contact of the ring rheostat). In 1902-1904 moving the moving contact over the rheostat was a common solution. It was Figuera who was the first to use this meter for a system for generating (more precisely, converting) electricity. Most importantly, I laid the phase wire in the gap between the electromagnets. "Y" in the diagram in the Figueira patent (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/186872/image//)is exactly the element in which the phase wires are laid. Unlike Holcomb Energy Systems, Figuera has a single-phase design.
It is impossible to achieve magnetic induction so that the output power exceeds the excitation costs in the transformer version. This is only possible when the wire is inside the core (in the groove). This is one of the reasons why top-wound Gramm oscillators have become obsolete.
The patent shows a method for creating an alternating magnetic field in a magnetic circuit. Only the design of the magnetic chain itself is not shown, this is indicated in the patent.
Holcomb Energy Systems is already a more advanced solution for such a system.
Apart from Holcomb Energy Systems, there are other solutions for static converters. For the first time, only the practical operating model of Holcomb Energy Systems is presented. Others also exist but have not been shown publicly. There was another demonstration by Carl Tilly in the USA. But I did not find patents and information about the design system in the public domain. Carl Tilly was demonstrating an electric car, with his static converter. I don't think Carl Tilly's principle was different.
QuoteOn March 28, 2003, in the state of Tennessee, USA, 20 armed men confiscated all devices, documents and bank accounts of Tilly Foundation, Inc. So far, they have not returned anything or reimbursed the costs, said Carl Tilly, president and owner of the company. In order to protect the technology, just a week after the action, he had already begun building another electric car and two power sources for mansions. Now it's happening in another state. The latest electric car has been tested by several engineers and received a positive result.
https://tesla3.com/tilley-foundation/
PS I'm also working on a pulse system that should keep the battery charged https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/electric-solid-state-generator-tg.html
Quote from: pix on May 05, 2022, 10:51:50 AM
:D Then why every transformer isn't OU?
Listen, everyone who graduated secondary school knows what permeability is and that ferromagnetic materials amplify weak magnetic field.
As soon as you want to utilise that amplified magnetic field and current is flowing in the output coil-Lenz law applies, and small current in the output coil is enough to create opposite amplified magnetic field counter reacting amplified magnetic field created by inducing current from the input coil. It works both ways.
Cheers,
Pix
Yes Pix, you have everything correctly explained...plus, you've answered your own question about why there is no OU in any transformer.
Lenz Law...period.
I will try (again) to explain this...
In a Transformer, both Magnetic Fields (Primary-Secondary)
are constrained to the same steel core, so they have no other choice but to react against each others, giving the results we all know.
Believe me about this...Once we get the Magnetic Field of the Primary (or Exciter/Inductor, for the Generator case), to Mutate (move, translate) in Space/Time through the steel cores,
Lenz can not act, period...it just bounces back and forth*, but we will see almost no increase (like 1 or 2 tents of an Amp) on the Input Currents...
Lenz can not act against a massless, frictionless moving magnetic field through Space/Time.
I have done it, I have observed it...I am just making a better build.
So, briefly resuming this:
The output coils and core, whenever loaded, this Reacting Magnetic Field is constrained to its own core-coils...However, where the massless field is displacing through space/time is definitively NOT constrained to its own core-coils...and Lenz can not "catch it"...no matter how much "tantrum" in vibrations and jumping it does...
And...if this Magnetic Field, generated once we add a load, can not act directly and against our moving Magnetic Field...then there is simply not increase at Input.
Cheers
*In my testing, the armature which has the moving magnetic field, will just bounce, since I left it loose on purpose, for a physical and sound demo...so, as soon as a load is applied to output coils, it increases the sound and vibrations...but no increase at Input.
Ufopolitics
This topic has already mentioned the guy's experiment with the rotation of the field in the stator gland from the engine, through the electromagnet control system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn49fDHCHdo
The secondary circuit for the output of the phase is organized through a coil wound on the core and inserted as a jumper. (А)
To do it right, the second block of the core with grooves and lay the wires according to the rules of generator phase winding. (В)
Yes Rakarski, that is Pierre Cotnoir...
Almost everyone knows him here... ;D
There is a Thread also here...which is abandoned now.
Same thing, different "color"...He is rotating the Field on the outside core (a typical stator) and collecting on the inside as the lonely core.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 05, 2022, 01:46:23 PM
The secondary circuit for the output of the phase is organized through a coil wound on the core and inserted as a jumper. (А)
To do it right, the second block of the core with grooves and lay the wires according to the rules of generator phase winding. (В)
Yes, you are very correct Rakarskiy.
The best way to collect on this setup, is not "A" but "B" setup on the inside...that way it would be 360º sweep of exciter (Inductor) over the Induced .
However, still with a single coil, 700 ft of wire and a heavy core as (A), Pierre was able to loop his setup.
I have also have being doing it the "structural" correct way (B) since many years ago...see image
However, I was doing it wrong, by allowing Field to collapse during rotation...not good.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi everyone,
I have Been reading most of these posts about this new technology.
I am a hobbyist who writes books for hobbyists to read and experiment from those ideas.
So I am not up to the intellectual level as a lot of you.
But I have an idea.
What if a few people on this forum bought one of the first self-contained units and
performed all kinds of testing on it. Would that not answer a lot of questions about the
operation and technological questions on how it works.
By doing this, I am sure that there would be other ideas on how to improve on the technology.
These new improvements in themselves could be patentable, although I am an open source guy myself.
I believe that the more people get there hands dirty and build something, that faster OU products
will hit the market.
I truly like the idea of no moving parts in a generator. This is the way to the future in my mind.
I am going to build a "Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator" from this forum.
There are other motionless generators of interest as well at this forum.
I have learned a lot from everyone's input and I hope some of you will take up the interest and purchase
one of Holcomb's self-contained generators and experiment with it and show the testing
results on this forum.
We are all benefitting from each other.
Thank you all for your inputs.
Jay Lunke known at Lunster
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 09:40:58 AM
Yes, you are correct Rakarskiy.
The best way to collect on this setup, is not "A" but "B" setup on the inside...that way it would be 360º sweep of exciter (Inductor) over the Induced .
However, still with a single coil, 700 ft of wire and a heavy core as (A), Pierre was able to loop his setup.
I have also have being doing it the "structural" correct way (B) since many years ago...see image
However, I was doing it wrong, by allowing Field to collapse during rotation...not good.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
I have done something similar. Instead of just one coil inside, I put a wound-slotted rotor inside it. It didn't work, and I stopped everything. Also, I rewound a motor and tried 3 phases, 2 phases, and one phase.
I didn't shoot a video in the last one.
The video below is the first attempt
https://youtu.be/H6oAZi8Cc5I (https://youtu.be/H6oAZi8Cc5I)
Quote from: ariovaldo on May 06, 2022, 11:06:10 AM
I have done something similar. Instead of just one coil inside, I put a wound-slotted rotor inside it. It didn't work, and I stopped everything. Also, I rewound a motor and tried 3 phases, 2 phases, and one phase.
I didn't shoot a video in the last one.
The video below is the first attempt
https://youtu.be/H6oAZi8Cc5I (https://youtu.be/H6oAZi8Cc5I)
Hello Ariovaldo,
Let me see if I understand correctly what you are doing on that video:
You are feeding (Input) with single phase AC 110-120V from your wall, plus a capacitor, the 3 phase motor stator, on just one phase, one set of coils...correct?
Then collecting on the center coil on iron...right?
Thanks
Ufopolitics
But let me say this...
@ Ariovaldo: What I really love about your video, is what we have been discussing here before...when many here have insisted that AC will give Us the "rotary Field" that we need for this setup...and I say a big NOPE, it will NOT work at all.
Thanks Ariovaldo, you just have proven that plain AC will NOT work!!
...it is not that simple my friend...sorry, but you have just built a pretty "exotic" transforner there...
It is a Specific type of rotation involved, as it is a Specific type of winding involved to be successful...and yes, it is DC what we need, and NOT AC as the Inducing- Rotating- Field!!
Thanks again
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, have a good time!
EMF in the core of the generator will appear only when the magnetic field changes. In mechanical generators, this change is provided by moving the pole with magnetic flux past the phase wire. In static systems, the movement of the field is carried out by switching electromagnets along the circuit, using a special control algorithm. In addition to all this, it is necessary to achieve a change in magnetic induction from a minimum to a maximum in both zones of the pole pair. In addition to the change itself, the placement geometry is also important so that the EMF moves in the generator coil housing. There are many nuances. Since the generator is wound, you still need to know how to do it right.
In option B, I did not specifically disclose the features, although the details should be obvious to the specialist as two times two.
The problem of a private researcher is the use of fittings from electric motors. For generation, it is necessary to select iron cores with the appropriate magnetic permeability and maximum magnetic induction. For excitation, provide for a larger number of turns, while the generator must tend to a smaller number of turns and a larger cross section. Good motor, bad alternator and good alternator, bad motor.
Для хорошего результата нужно заказывать нарезку железа, все что делают промышленно в готовом варианте это для электромоторов а там свои особенности.
https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H7505633035a14e269943cfea89f8fb58f.png
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 11:57:13 AM
Ufopolitics, have a good time!
You too, have a good time, Rakarskiy!
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 11:57:13 AM
EMF in the core of the generator will appear only when the magnetic field changes. In mechanical generators, this change is provided by moving the pole with magnetic flux past the phase wire. In static systems, the movement of the field is carried out by switching electromagnets along the circuit, using a special control algorithm.
Correct, I agree...but, it is not just "switching coils", yes, a "special algorithm" must be used or it will not work...
There are many "rules" (as "no no's" involved)...like, never kill the dipole!! (remember that? and who said it?)...or the Main Field as the Inductor must never, ever collapse.
It is all about "Rotating the Virtual Magnetic Field through Space/Time at a certain speed"...by reversing -a minimum- of coils polarity which mutates the field into other parts of the main static rotor...
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 11:57:13 AMIn addition to all this, it is necessary to achieve a change in magnetic induction from a minimum to a maximum in both zones of the pole pair. In addition to the change itself, the placement geometry is also important so that the EMF moves in the generator coil housing. There are many nuances. Since the generator is wound, you still need to know how to do it right.
Yes...
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 11:57:13 AMIn option B, I did not specifically disclose the features, although the details should be obvious to the specialist as two times two.
The problem of a private researcher is the use of fittings from electric motors. For generation, it is necessary to select iron cores with the appropriate magnetic permeability and maximum magnetic induction. For excitation, provide for a larger number of turns, while the generator must tend to a smaller number of turns and a larger cross section. Good motor, bad alternator and good alternator, bad motor.
Yes...
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 11:57:13 AMДля хорошего результата нужно заказывать нарезку железа, все что делают промышленно в готовом варианте это для электромоторов а там свои особенности.
https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H7505633035a14e269943cfea89f8fb58f.png (https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H7505633035a14e269943cfea89f8fb58f.png)
Miña ñet gavarit pá Rusky...LOL
Greetings
Ufopolitics
Wow!!, I do love that structure Rakarskiy!!
Where can I buy it?
Cheers
https://ru.made-in-china.com/co_szjiarun/product_Rotor-Stator-of-Silicon-Sheet-Material_riurusneg.html
;)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 11:26:23 AM
Hello Ariovaldo,
Let me see if I understand correctly what you are doing on that video:
You are feeding (Input) with single-phase AC 110-120V from your wall, plus a capacitor, the 3 phase motor stator, on just one phase, one set of coils...correct?
Then collecting on the center coil on iron.
Thanks
Ufopolitics
Yes. I have done so many other configurations, and nothing has worked as I thought.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 06, 2022, 12:43:27 PM
https://ru.made-in-china.com/co_szjiarun/product_Rotor-Stator-of-Silicon-Sheet-Material_riurusneg.html (https://ru.made-in-china.com/co_szjiarun/product_Rotor-Stator-of-Silicon-Sheet-Material_riurusneg.html)
;)
Thanks,
But is it Laminated Steel?
Plus, the inner piece do not have openings?
It is sealed on the outer...
And then I have to buy 100 pieces?!!
Not planning to market this...hahahaha
Thanks anyways, it is good to know!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 11:26:23 AM
Hello Ariovaldo,
Let me see if I understand correctly what you are doing on that video:
You are feeding (Input) with single phase AC 110-120V from your wall, plus a capacitor, the 3 phase motor stator, on just one phase, one set of coils...correct?
Then collecting on the center coil on iron...right?
Thanks
Ufopolitics
May be 2 options to get rotating magnetic field in 3 phase motor out of 1 phase supply:
1. Yes, you can feed 3 phase motor from 1 phase with use of capacitor to make a phase shift. Already tried this and it works. See attached.
2. I see also on the switchboard rack a driver. You can have driver feed from 1 phase and with 3 phase output. Very common for smaller motors.
Using only one set of coils on the stator and feeding it with 1 phase supply will not rotate magnetic field.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on May 06, 2022, 01:14:56 PM
May be 2 options to get rotating magnetic field in 3 phase motor out of 1 phase supply:
1. Yes, you can feed 3 phase motor from 1 phase with use of capacitor to make a phase shift. Already tried this and it works. See attached.
2. I see also on the switchboard rack a driver. You can have driver feed from 1 phase and with 3 phase output. Very common for smaller motors.
Using only one set of coils on the stator and feeding it with 1 phase supply will not rotate magnetic field.
Cheers,
Pix
It still...is not going to work either way with AC, whether single, two or three phase...
It is not going to work with these type of systems.
AC does not rotate a single, main field.AC gives a "simulation" of a "rotation" by shifting
multiple poles from many different fields, in the same, exact position-location where the coils are set.
These shifting could be done by 3 phase, in a 1,2,3 configuration which never closes a full 360º rotation.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
It still...is not going to work either way with AC, whether single, two or three phase...
It is not going to work with these type of systems.
AC does not rotate a single, main field.
AC gives a "simulation" of a "rotation" by shifting multiple poles from many different fields, in the same, exact position-location where the coils are set.
These shifting could be done by 3 phase, in a 1,2,3 configuration which never closes a full 360º rotation.
Cheers
Something like that.....
Ufopolitics
https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8 (https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8)
I don't have time now, and I will return to these tests after retiring. ( 3 more years to go. Lol)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 12:23:03 PM
Wow!!, I do love that structure Rakarskiy!!
Where can I buy it?
Cheers
i have made one from 2 different motors... checked rotor to fit in stator...testing soon
rotor fit inside old stator
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
It still...is not going to work either way with AC, whether single, two or three phase...
It is not going to work with these type of systems.
AC does not rotate a single, main field.
AC gives a "simulation" of a "rotation" by shifting multiple poles from many different fields, in the same, exact position-location where the coils are set.
These shifting could be done by 3 phase, in a 1,2,3 configuration which never closes a full 360º rotation.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
I was refering only to a YT movie with a guy putting a coil inside 3 phase motor stator, how he could run that stator from a 1 phase supply.
No comments to Holcomb .
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
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AC does not rotate a single, main field.
AC gives a "simulation" of a "rotation" by shifting multiple poles from many different fields, in the same, exact position-location where the coils are set.
These shifting could be done by 3 phase, in a 1,2,3 configuration which never closes a full 360º rotation.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
You are wrong. I have, and others have, shown links and references showing a single constant magnitude flux field rotating in the air gap arising from 3-phase AC. All 3-phase induction motors, as well as other AC machines, use this. Every EE text book I've seen covers this theory and the lecturer covers it in class, as well as experiments required with electric machinery and power conversion labs.
If you got small and stood on the surface of the stationary rotor, you could not tell if the traveling magnetic field is coming from moving PMs, a moving electromagnet, a series of switched DC excited stationary coils, or a polyphase AC excited set of stationary coils.
The whole point here is that some believe that there exists a signature, or characteristic which differentiates the
B field vector originating from a stationary source changing in magnitude and an identical
B field vector originating from a constant magnitude field changing position relative to the sensor or conductor or charge. I don't think so, but I am very interested in experiment on the subject.
So please continue, but take note that you are a minority claiming polyphase AC can not produce a traveling flux field. You are flat out wrong.
In fact, would not the pulsing DC you feed to the coils actually constitute AC.
bi
The rotation of the field, or rather the change in the magnitude of the magnetic induction, with the replacement of the poles at a given point of the stator core, with a phase winding (for a generator in a gap, a groove).
There is a mechanical way, when a permanent beckon (DIPOLE) or a system of dipoles, rotates to the system of the annular stator core (with grooves).
There is a way to switch a group of magnets while simulating the movement of a physical magnet. (this is what the Armature does when the brushes rotate around the commutator, or electronic system, which radiates the work of the armature electromagnets).
https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/patents/patent-30378/
QuoteNote
Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing moves, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit, placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.
Barcelona, the 5th of September of 1902
Signed: Clemente Figuera and Pedro Blasberg
(*) Note of the translator: "sus polos" in spanish may be translated into english both as plural "their poles" (referring to the poles of two electromagnets) or as singular "its poles" (referring to the two poles of one electromagnet).
There is a way to smoothly change the current in the winding of an electromagnet. Own AC source or appropriate controller. The first such controller was patented by Clemente Figuera in a 1908 patent.
The issue of creating an alternating magnetic field with the corresponding magnetic induction in the gap (slot) of the stator core is a key task in creating a transgenerator.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
Thanks,
But is it Laminated Steel?
Plus, the inner piece do not have openings?
It is sealed on the outer...
And then I have to buy 100 pieces?!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
https://portuguese.alibaba.com/p-detail/stator-685752878.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.512e595cORvI7s
Link to the first picture. Alas, I have not seen them for sale by the piece.
Bistander
QuoteYou are wrong. I have, and others have, shown links and references showing a single constant magnitude flux field rotating in the air gap arising from 3-phase AC. All 3-phase induction motors, as well as other AC machines, use this. Every EE text book I've seen covers this theory and the lecturer covers it in class, as well as experiments required with electric machinery and power conversion labs.
It's a little problematic because the supposed rules seem to contradict themselves.
Either magnetic fields always form closed loops or they do not. So if we claim many individual fields can form a single rotating field then we must explain how many singular closed loops can become one larger loop without breaking any single loop in the process.
I tend to agree with the "most of this is nonsense" rule. There are no lines of force or loops, they are imaginary and based on an archaic form of notation. Thus there were never any lines or loops to break and in the right context we could see two fields merge or separate ergo rotate. In fact many FE inventors claimed there devices worked due to a phenomena they called flowing(Moray, Figuera, Schaugerger) or glowing(Schappeller) magnetism. Which makes perfect sense if anyone gave a damn what the real FE inventors actually thought or there perspective. We could easily equate flowing magnetism with the traveling magnetism/shaded pole effect and glowing magnetism with plasma/Birkeland currents.
So all this "science" would seem to be more about perspective and who can make something work rather than any individuals personal flavor of dogma. I mean, any fool can believe something... proving it is a different matter all together.
Regards
AC
Solarlab did post some analysis work on HES (Holcomb Energy Systems)
At AllCanadian's Topic below .
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98903;topicseen#msg98903 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98903;topicseen#msg98903)
This type analysis Seems a worthwhile perspective towards understanding ... other plausible routes towards harvesting Energy In a unique or new way !
And of course... SolarLab's work is open source FE effort!
Solarlab
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By taking the time and effort required to validate this technique could prove very worthwhile in the end to, hopefully, more than just a few FE/CE "expert " tinkerers!
End quote !
No stone left unturned...
Respectfully
Chet K
Really, obvious things, it is necessary to prove?
Ask yourself how does a modern synchronous generator work, in which the windings are laid in closed slots? You will be surprised, but the Lorentz force does not work there, the reason for the EMF is magnetic induction, which changes with time.
A few theses from my book about such a system (I also calculate and design it), for the event "think with your brain"! (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/electric-solid-state-generator-tg.html)
QuoteA change in the magnetic flux penetrating a closed circuit can occur for two reasons:
• the magnetic flux changes due to the movement of the circuit or its parts in a magnetic field constant in time. This is the case when the conductors, and with them the "free charge carriers", move in a magnetic field;
• The second reason for the change in the magnetic flux penetrating the circuit is the change in time of the magnetic field when the circuit is stationary. In this case, the occurrence of the induction EMF can no longer be explained by the action of the Lorentz force. The phenomenon of electromagnetic induction in fixed conductors, which occurs when the surrounding magnetic field changes, is also described by the Faraday formula.
Thus, the phenomena of induction in moving and stationary conductors proceed in the same way, but the physical cause of the occurrence of the inductive current turns out to be different in these two cases:
• in the case of moving conductors, the EMF of induction is due to the Lorentz force (I wonder with what fright);
• in the case of fixed conductors, the EMF of induction is a consequence of the action on free charges of a vortex electric field that occurs when the magnetic field changes.
Explanations for the occurrence of induction current:
• Current in the circuit can exist when external forces act on free charges. The work of these forces in moving a single positive charge along a closed loop is equal to the EMF. This means that when the number of magnetic lines changes through the surface bounded by the contour, an EMF appears in it, which is called the EMF of induction.
• Electrons in a stationary conductor can only be set in motion by an electric field. This electric field is generated by a time-varying magnetic field. It is called the vortex electric field. The concept of a vortex electric field was introduced into physics by the great English physicist J. Maxwell in 1861.
Never trust someone else's opinion, it can be erroneous or, even worse, obviously false. Check everything yourself, but for this you will have to study the subject that you want to evaluate.
Physics does not deny such a design! Physics gives a clear formulation on what principles such an installation can exist. Everything else is engineering.
Everyone, good personal discoveries, the knowledge that has already been discovered earlier!
My slide is about how the concepts in Figueira's patent have changed for public perception: a gap for laying a phase wire converted into a coil, with an external winding on the core, as a result, everything rests on the wall.
Quote from: bistander on May 06, 2022, 05:53:52 PM
You are wrong. I have, and others have, shown links and references showing a single constant magnitude flux field rotating in the air gap arising from 3-phase AC. All 3-phase induction motors, as well as other AC machines, use this. Every EE text book I've seen covers this theory and the lecturer covers it in class, as well as experiments required with electric machinery and power conversion labs.
I have never referred on my post that you've quoted above, to a "
FLUX FIELD", but to a
SINGULARLY ORIGINATED, MAIN MAGNETIC FIELD.So, you are referring to the "end product" or the "result" from the sum of all individual fields which add up to configure a single flux field.
It should be very obvious to anyone "Skilled in the Arts" ;D that any given number of Magnetic Fields, generated by coils which are aligned in a circular-horizontally and spatially apart array, overlapped and then synchronized in a phase continuity, will ADD UP, SUM UP, to generate a "SINGLE, CONSTANT, FLUX FIELD" which simply follows that rotary pattern given, generated by a phase sequence, as simple as 1, 2 and 3...over time.
Quote from: bistander on May 06, 2022, 05:53:52 PM
So please continue, but take note that you are a minority claiming polyphase AC can not produce a traveling flux field. You are flat out wrong.
Again Bistander, you are confusing a flux field generated by several coils aligned, and flashing alternated currents in a phase sequence, then summed up...with a single originated magnetic field, which is stationary, until I start driving it in a rotary fashion., by adding and substracting in an orderly sequential fashion.
Two Brushes are feeding a series-parallel circuit of coils, which generates a Singular Magnetic Field.
Apples versus Bananas Bistander...
And of course I will continue...get ready, if you are under stress medication, I highly recommend you do not miss a single dose... ;D ;D
Quote from: bistander on May 06, 2022, 05:53:52 PMIn fact, would not the pulsing DC you feed to the coils actually constitute AC.
bi
It could...because coils keep reversing currents, however, have in mind these are groups of series-parallel coils, fed by a single (plus-minus) input...
Ufopolitics
@Rakarskiy
Clemente Figuera is a waste of time...I tried it in so many ways...all I observed was an increase in output amperage...but voltage kept being very low.
If you look again at the graphic you have posted last, see how much Figuera is investing on Inductors (exciters) to just a single coil sandwhiched in between.
This arrangement is not necesary, if he would have gone differently about his primary way to think about the way a generator works...insufficient thoughts.
Paraphrasing his thoughts:
Spanish original Language: "Si notamos como las espiras que generan el campo magnético de un generador funcionan, ellas se aproximan para luego alejarse..."
English: "If we notice how the coils that generate the magnetic field in a generator works, the magnetic field is approaching then leaving...approach, leave..."
This led him to reproduce that "effect"...which is not a fully rotational field...but simulates an approach (by increasing currents) and leaving (by decreasing currents), or "ramp up, ramp down"...and yes, obviously the field does that...but can not compare with a full rotary motion, which have the progression over time, plus the horizontally "passing by" of the magnetic field through the induced coils.
Figuera is simply about "amplifying" and "reducing" the Magnetic Field...if we look at what this effect does to the field spectrum, or the "imaginary lines of force" we could resume it is a very weak movement related to a translation analysis of the spectrum, like a full rotation would do.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, the problem is in modeling the design of the generator.
I gave an example with the calculation of the magnetic induction of a toroidal coil on a ferromagnetic ring in an air frame.
If this ring of ferromagnetic material is made with a notch, at least 1 mm, the magnetic induction index will sharply change downwards.
There are many different nuances, I hope to finish my material soon and it will become available to everyone.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 07, 2022, 01:25:43 PM
Ufopolitics, the problem is in modeling the design of the generator.
I gave an example with the calculation of the magnetic induction of a toroidal coil on a ferromagnetic ring in an air frame.
If this ring of ferromagnetic material is made with a notch, at least 1 mm, the magnetic induction index will sharply change downwards.
There are many different nuances, I hope to finish my material soon and it will become available to everyone.
Yeah, I agree...a Toroid would be the BEST way to make a Generator...of these type of systems.
But Figuera never used a Toroidal Geometry for his inducing/induced coils!!...there are all kind of speculations, but nothing on paper on the Original 1908 Patent graphics!!
The round "thing" is just where the small motor rotate a single positive brush, where resistors are mounted...that is it.
Some say they were inductors...however the case was...
it is all about reducing and amplifying currents to the exciting coils.
In my view, it is a lot of waste in heat on the overall performance of this machine.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics!
This is a drawing from Figuère's first patent.
I clarified a little, and the 1908 patent is more of a convention for designating a controller system
Quote from: onepower on May 07, 2022, 03:33:23 AM
Bistander
It's a little problematic because the supposed rules seem to contradict themselves.
Either magnetic fields always form closed loops or they do not. So if we claim many individual fields can form a single rotating field then we must explain how many singular closed loops can become one larger loop without breaking any single loop in the process.
...
Regards
AC
Hello AC,
I see no problem or contradiction. If you search (as I did in Google) for rotating magnetic field animation, you'll find hundreds of visual aids. And I also came across this proof.
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html
It reminds me of that which the professor demonstrated back in the days of chalk and slate boards. Member pix posted a great simple animation a while back, in this thread I think, but I can't locate. If he sees this, please link to it again. Below is an image which I pulled from a video showing how lines in individual conservative fields can sum to single conservative field. Perhaps you can expand on your noted contradiction problem with an example or reference.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 07, 2022, 12:55:16 PM
I have never referred on my post that you've quoted above, to a "FLUX FIELD", but to a SINGULARLY ORIGINATED, MAIN MAGNETIC FIELD.
...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 06, 2022, 02:28:05 PM
...
AC does not rotate a single, main field.
...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
Above is your quote to which I responded. You said "main field". Is it not a flux field? Are you not denying that 3-phase AC applied to the stator winding in an induction motor produces a rotating single main field? Isn't it a flux field to which you refer?
Let's just drop it.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 07, 2022, 03:02:51 PM
Ufo,
Above is your quote to which I responded. You said "main field". Is it not a flux field? Are you not denying that 3-phase AC applied to the stator winding in an induction motor produces a rotating single main field? Isn't it a flux field to which you refer?
Let's just drop it.
bi
Bistander,
I believe I have explained myself clearly about the difference, on my previous post.
It is not the same thing.
The results are NOT the same thing either.
But, yeah, you are right, let's drop it...
Ufopolitics
Bistander
QuoteI see no problem or contradiction. If you search (as I did in Google) for rotating magnetic field animation, you'll find hundreds of visual aids. And I also came across this proof.
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html
I agree and my mind was wondering off on another tangent again, it was also 2am...
I'm still working on the flowing magnetism problem and it's a real mind bender. The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source. It can expand/contract from the source and move with it but not rotate with it.
I'm still trying to produce a true field rotation but I haven't quite put all the pieces together yet.
Regards
AC
I found an interesting project, just on the topic of a static electric generator with a rotating electric field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4qOE5XBbbk&t=12s
Electronic control, movement of the poles of the magnetic field in the static core of the stator.
The placement of the outer and inner core with grooves is logically correct.
There is another core in the Holcomb system, the generator core is wound inside, between the switched magnetic circuits.
If you look at a rotor with two pairs of poles (four poles), you can see how the electromagnets should activate.
For the magnetic circuit: it must be remembered that the magnetic circuit (flux) can be folded and closed. In this case, Ohm's law for the magnetic circuit cannot be neglected.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 07, 2022, 01:44:10 PM
Ufopolitics!
This is a drawing from Figuère's first patent.
I clarified a little, and the 1908 patent is more of a convention for designating a controller system
I supplemented the drawing with a comparison of the Figuera generator of 1902, and the modern design of the four-pole generator design. But the electromagnets in the external and internal circuits must work synchronously.
Sincerely!
Hi Rakarskiy
I read with interest what you said about the Holcomb technology. You linked it to Figuera's patent, which seems relevant, but very worrying since after more than a century we do not have any machine working according to Figuera's plan today. So won't we have any with Holcomb in 2122 either?
The problem with Holcomb is that in his patent, the energy is claimed to come from electron spin. So by talking about spin, Holcomb is relying on academic science to justify the extra energy produced.
If one considers the academic science incorrect, then the explanation by the spin does not make sense, and only the demonstration of the extra-energy by facts that everyone can observe and reproduce, is indispensable.
If we consider academic science correct, then :
- the imputation of extra-energy to electron spin is not valid since its mathematical formalism forbids the creation of energy in a closed system.
- or the imputation of extra-energy to the electron spin is valid but then the spin is only an intermediary capturing energy from elsewhere, so that Holcomb's explanation is incomplete and the real source of energy remains unknown
- or Holcomb ignores the source of the extra-energy, he just observes it, and he provides a bogus explanation in order to justify the extra-energy and make it credible for patentability and investors.
But what I see everywhere about Holcomb are digressions on magnetic fields and their couplings, based on the known rules of electromagnetism, which in no case can give rise to extra-energy.
As with all claims of overunity, there is a need to check the facts first. The problem with Holcomb's machine is that it is already an industrial machine, without proof of concept, i.e. without a simple setup based on the underlying principle involved in the phenomenon.
What would that principle be? What could be the elementary setup that would demonstrate it, even if it only produces a few mW?
I think this is the main interesting question. What is your analysis?
Hello Again,
I have been researching Dr. Robert Holcomb's past activities and am finding it fascinating.
Not only has he had many patents but companies as well.
He has had legal battles over some of his patent rights which were battled out in court.
There are so many interesting twists and turns.
All of it would make a great motion picture that could be called
"The Life and Times of Dr. Robert Holcomb"
There are always two side of any story and that is why his life would make such a great story.
It is a great story whether these current inventions are a scam or for real.
It would be great if the story ending up in the air where you do not know the true answer
at the end of the movie.
Even though Dr. Robert Holcomb has had such an interesting life. I have not seen any evidence
that his inventions in the past or present are a scam. But that is just my opinion.
If someone knows someone in Hollywood, please get in contact with them.
Think of it this way, Hollywood is a fast way to let the world to know what is going on in the OU
community. By the time the movie came out, we would already know if these current inventions are valid or not.
Either way, his life is what Hollywood was made for.
Lunkster
Quote from: onepower on May 07, 2022, 04:59:39 PM
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I'm still working on the flowing magnetism problem and it's a real mind bender. The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source. It can expand/contract from the source and move with it but not rotate with it.
I'm still trying to produce a true field rotation but I haven't quite put all the pieces together yet.
Regards
AC
There you have put your finger on the issue with the Figuera generator. Years ago when several of us, including Ufo, built different versions of it I came to the same conclusion. The field needs to actually move in space, not just expand and contract with varying coil intensities. I built a DC variac to eliminate the resistors but that didn't make much difference either. It generated some current but not enough. It was still just expanding and contracting coil fields like a transformer.
I gotta hand it to Ufo, I think he has the right approach in this respect. He is actually rotating the field of an armature. Yes it's still being done by increasing, decreasing, and changing polarity of the armature coils, but what ends up rotating is the field from the -iron- in the armature. That magnetic field never dies, it's pulled around the armature by the coil fields, actually rotating, not just changing vectors.
That's my 2 cents anyway.
Regards
Cadman
Holcomb states in WO2010079422A9, that his cogeneration device may use switched DC, or three phase AC on its rotor coils.
L192
Hello All,
I have been testing an AC Blower Motor Stator (as is, OEM windings) with my newer 20 tooth, 16 coils rotary field armature...
The rotary Field works beautiful, however the induction motor stator wiring sucks...like Rakarsky said before..."A good Motor will make a bad Generator...and so on...a good Generator will be a bad motor..."
This windings are not suitable for generating right, too small gauge, so, higher resistance...plus it is not wound as a Generator is...
Unfortunately, my Generators Stators are greater in diameter than the armature is...
I get much higher voltage at output than input, but lower amps...this is too fine wire on stator, like 28 or 30 gauge, max is like 20 one winding.
The behavior of the Rotating Field is excellent, having in mind all the related spec's when driving these fields this way.
1- The higher the RPM's of the Field, the lower the Input Amperage goes...and viceversa
2- The running voltage of the field (Input) should always be greater than the amperage, in an average like 60V to 1.0+ Amp...
I will have to remove all windings off Stator Motor and rewind it with 14-16 gauge, plus the way it is wound for generators...
I will be posting detailed info about all this on my Thread:
Energy Generation by Moving the Virtual Field (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, the winding of the generator must be calculated. Everything is calculable, you need initial data. We take one turn in the generator winding and determine the optimal EMF. Then you need to calculate the phase of the generator, the number of turns and the cross section, but this has its own characteristics. Read my material about Ampere power, there are examples of how I calculated the generator. The problem of many, they do not know how the current strength is formed in the network. Sometimes qualified electrical engineers cannot answer the simple question of how the generator EMF differs from the mains voltage under load connected to the generator.
You are very close to the goal, it remains to deal a little with the generator winding and the rules for its calculation. You need to calculate according to the maximum allowable load. Not as much as you want, but as much as you can take.
https://rakarskiy-narod-ru.translate.goog/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
@Rakarskiy,
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 08, 2022, 02:34:04 PM
Ufopolitics, The winding of the generator must be calculated. Everything is calculable, you need initial data. We take one turn in the generator winding and determine the optimal EMF. Then you need to calculate the phase of the generator, the number of turns and the cross section, but this has its own characteristics. Read my material about Ampere power, there are examples of how I calculated the generator. The problem of many, they do not know how the current strength is formed in the network. Sometimes qualified electrical engineers cannot answer the simple question of how the generator EMF differs from the mains voltage under load connected to the generator.
You are very close to the goal, it remains to deal a little with the generator winding and the rules for its calculation.
https://rakarskiy-narod-ru.translate.goog/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://rakarskiy-narod-ru.translate.goog/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Thanks, I know, Rakarskiy,
However, I have already wound some generators as existing number of turns or by wire length calculation...
I just want to "prove a concept"...I have already proven part on the small universal motor assembly from the RYOBY Tool...but not enough.
I know, as I am so freaking sure it will work!!
Calculations for winding from scratch a generator is whenever you need specific power output, or specific voltages and amperages...I am not being "picky" at this time, since it is just for a testing demo.
Rotating the Field at a normal speed, as being able to "see" the rotation strength while using the correct spec's related to V & A is already done...
I have a spanish friend on YouTube that have also being doing this testings, not successfully, because he is overkilling the drivers...too much power to drive just the brushes...we do NOT need that much...
However, He is using steel bars inserted in between stator-armature, because rotor is smaller than stator...and it works...so, I will be doing same thing on a 900 Watts Generator Stator I have...just to observe output.
Thanks for your counseling!!
Regards
Ufopolitics
EDIT: I had issues with internet...but I already started taking apart the piece of sht stator...LOL...What does not work...it needs to be replaced with the correct winding, shape form and right gauge...see image ;D
It's also important to note that to my knowledge no credible FE device ever used lap windings as is found in almost all motor/generators today.
In this respect the devil is always in the details and most fail to produce the desired result because they have not reproduced the concept and layout claimed by the inventor. This is what many inventors claim to be "the spirit" of the invention relating to the effects, procedure and physical geometry/layout.
This may help, in any given patent I do not look for what is common to other technologies but what is different. How does the details and explanation of the device in question deviate from common practice?. Understand that we often have a picture in our head, a natural bias, based on our own experience which betrays us at every turn. We want to believe we understand what's going on but in fact we don't. Thus our premise should always relate to seeking new understanding and learning. Something new to us...
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." ― Mark Twain
As we can see from the Holcomb patents and countless others which came before it there may be groups of coils but they are generally always switched sequentially, independently for a very good reason. My first experience with an experiment gone terribly wrong, but in a good way, was when I tried to explode the Hubbard patent. Not literally explode it but geometrically, I reduced the circular form of primary/secondary coils into a linear series of transformations similar to what Holcomb claims. In fact it still works and it doesn't need to be circular in form so long as the concept/process remains. In this respect I seem to keep proving myself wrong for reasons even I cannot understand, ergo learning something new.
So it seems to me many are barking up the wrong tree.
If anyone is going to bother trying to replicate anything then it must be in the spirit of the invention. So when someone diverges from the intent, procedure, sequence, layout and geometry of the claim it will generally always fall short. It's never easy, nothing worth doing ever is so it's worth making an effort to do it right.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a complete screw up but as they say ... every dog has it's day.
Regards
AC
one power,
I want to note that you need to master the principle, and not blindly repeat the design from the patent. Dr. Holcomb dealt with magnetic fields in medicine. Devices in medicine generate fields within 1.5 Tesla. By the way, a static generator is easy to calculate. The whole problem is still in hardware solutions without complex software bindings. Vyge I gave a link to the guy who built a similar design. He neglected the main Ohm's Law for magnetic circuits, and engineering techniques for designing generators. Notice not motors, but generators. I can say with confidence that this is a big gap for many to correctly calculate the generator circuit.
Quote from: onepower on May 07, 2022, 04:59:39 PM
The problem relates to a lack of true field rotation because the magnetic field is a property of space separate from the source.
Therefore, we will never create it? True rotating magnetic field?
There were guys ten years ago who experimented with the Marco Rodin's coil.
They clearly stated that there was an OU.
There, too, it seems there was a rotating toroidal field?
I made such a coil, for me it did not show any differences from a conventional inductor. :'(
True, the geometry was poorly observed there.
Quote from: onepower on May 08, 2022, 07:41:25 PM
It's also important to note that to my knowledge no credible FE device ever used lap windings as is found in almost all motor/generators today.
Yes, you are very right AC...
The overlapping or lap winding is used to "save room", or to fit more wires per square area (referring to motors) and for generator coils it is overlapped to reach a higher number of conductors to be induced by the rotary sweeping inductor area.
Actually, did you ALL know that the only wires that are Induced on any Two Part Rotary Generator, even the stationary rotor type, we are working on...
that
only the Vertical wires are Induced?!
Yes, and I am referring to the Vertical wires in ALL Coils on the Stator, the ones parallel to the shaft, whether a real shaft or an imaginary one?
All the Horizontal, or diametrical wires in the coils are just there serving as "connectors"...but no induction is generated?
This fact sets all these machines, automatically, at 50% Induction Efficiency!!
Now, it is impossible to build a machine (from the mechanical Engineering point) where the Induction coils or Exciter circuit, travels within a "fully closed tunnel" where all the Induced coils are wound...a completely closed tunnel...where the Stator Output Coils would be on the outside...
How can you rotate "physically" an inner set of coils and their steel cores, that could travel within another hollow, but fully closed structure?
However, that would be the "perfect generator", a 100% efficient from the Induction percentage area calculation point of view...
The only way that this type of generator could be conceived, is by rotating a Virtual Magnetic Field, not physically, not including its coils and cores...
And the only "Geometry" which can give Us such characteristics is a Toroid...
And then, we would not need to do "lap windings", or overlap the coils, none of them...just to be continuously set, one after the other...in a full closed circular arrangement...
Can You guys "imagine" that?
And then, set it to work in your minds?
Regards
Ufopolitics
I was asked a question in a personal, I think my answer and comparison will be very interesting.
Holcomb has a patent for a solid state electromagnetic rotor for power generation.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/d1/d7/018fe4892a4d9e/US20190238011A1.pdf
Photo of the founders and the basis of the invention of the solid-state rotor.
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Robert-and-Ellen.jpg
Listening to tales of spinning electrons is for media losers.
Take a conventional synchronous mechanical generator with electromagnetic excitation. Consider only the input excitation power and also the output power of a generator phase, such as a car. The maximum costs for excitation of the rotor electromagnet are: 5 Amperes * 12 Volts = 60 watts. Maximum phase power 1.5 kW. It remains only to solve the problem of a solid-state electromagnet that simulates the rotation of the field from the electromagnet. Let's say all this will take us 200 watts of power. The result of the COP will be 1.5/0.2=7.5. What is the conversion ratio without taking into account the mechanical force in a traditional generator, you can calculate yourself.
I hope I explained clearly. What is the magnetic permeability of electrical steel, and how it enhances the magnetic field, I gave an example in one of my posts in this thread. https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg566511/#msg566511
The magnetic circuit, it is in its correct calculation that the secret of the entire project lies.
Sincerely yours, Rakarsky
@Solarlab
why don´t you convert your Simulation output pics to MP4 Video files and post them on Youtube ?
For longer and looped display you could put several sequences in a loop and just add them to the MP4 Video file.
Then you can store all your magnet simulation files as animation on Youtube.
No need to go the GIF animation method which always needs bigger File size...and is hard to store
in a forum...
There are freeware software packages out there that lets you convert from GIF or JPEG pictures to MPEG4 Video files
which Youtube accepts.
Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan.
"Solarlab" Has not been posting here ,
However I believe that may change..?
Or his work will find a path to interested parties here
And elsewhere!
Regardless,
At another topic this technology to assist in research is being shared
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The analysis is being done using Ansys, Comsol, JMag and CST. As mentioned, and shown, CST is easiest since "Excitations" can be added at the "LT-Transient" phase without resorting to a "Circuit" layout to sequence the pole coil/windings.
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As mentioned prior in this thread ,
additional HES discussion is here,
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927)
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Chet K
if the coil is moved past the magnet along one coordinate.
And at this time, the magnet is moved past the coil along a different, orthogonal coordinate.
We will no longer have a two-dimensional interaction, but a three-dimensional one.
Has anyone used this? Might will be something interesting...
Just thoughts.
Suggested Upgrades for Holcomb motor systems:
Current system design deficiencies:
The physical design is for generators that are in motion. This creates a lot of limitations for the motor.
1.) The two stators have different dimensions due to the different circumference they are designed in.
2.) The inner stator electromagnets have more interaction with the adjacent electromagnets due to the confined area they are built into.
3.) The distance between the rotor and stator assemblies are not adjustable but fixed between each other.
4.) It is hard to measure parameters in different locations between the rotor and stator assembly due to the physical construction of the generator.
5.) It is harder to perform maintenance or make changes to the rotor or inner stator assembly on this design.
Upgrade physical design of the stator and rotor assemblies:
3 Disk assembly: Disk 1 stator 1, Disk 2 rotor, Disk 3 stator 2
1.) Both stators have the option of being designed with the same physical configuration.
2.) The interaction between inner stator components can be reduced with the disk configuration.
3.) The distance between the rotor and each stator assembly is easily adjusted using disk assembly construction.
4.) It is much easier to place probes into place between the stator and rotor assemblies.
5.) It is much easier to perform maintenance or make modifications on a disk motor design.
Addressing the power and control system of the Holcomb energy system.
The computer control system has so many more options than the mechanical options shown so far. Here is the reason why.
. It is important to be able to adjust the duty cycle along with the power cycle of the power to each coil. This will make a big difference to the efficiency of the generator performance.
.When you look at efficiency curve of the core material being used in the motor. It is important to operate the generator within the best operational portion of the curve. I believe that by keeping all the stator coils with a small current in them to keep them at the lower best part of the curve as the off point is something to try. Then with the coil needs to be switched ON, then the switching would raise that current level of the coil so that the core reaches its best gain portion of the curve could be had.
The other power timing that Holcomb has already called out should be used first for the testing of the prototype.
When I was talking about keeping in the range of the core efficiency and gain I was thinking about a core that does not flip its polarity during the operation of the generator.
Since a generator operates on changing flux in order to generate electrical energy, we do not have to flip the polarity in the core in order to do this.
Instead of having to alternate between 4 north poles and 4 south poles for the 16 coils in each stator, we can alternate between low strength north poles to high strength north poles. What this does is to keep the core from flipping polarity.
Now the low strength polarity could be done by the self-induced magnetism that would already exist in the core, or if we needed more strength in the core to be in the best part of the curve for the low north pole setting then we could either apply a small current to the power stator coil, or we could have a small or a few small week permanent magnets built into the cores used in the generator to give us that bias.
The changing strength of the stator coils would create a changing magnetic flux through the rotor coils in order to produce the electrical energy from the generator. This would be done without the flipping magnetic polarity in the cores of the generator.
After watching the video on the crystallin structure flipping in the core material, I thought that this new approach may be what Dr. Robert Holcomb was talking about in his videos.
I have a question; would switching the power to and from the stator coils at the power line instead of the return line reduce the back-EMF in the coils?
Jay Lunke Known as Lunkster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDA8jMF3s5Y&t=25s
Hi Everyone,
I am trying to get a better understanding of how the Holcomb generator can have a gain in the output coil when
the generator looks more like a transformer in its basic components.
The 16 sets of stator1, output coils, and stator 2 coils are intended to produce the 3 phase output signal
that is used in the industry today. I get that. So I believe that the OU should be able to
be demonstrated with one single set of Stator 1, output coil and stator 2 coils in the generator design.
Does the air gap between the stators and the output coil have a critical function in producing OU
in Holcomb's generator design. A permanent magnet has the same flux going into the magnet as the flux
leaving the magnet. In the same way, the flux entering the drive coil is the same as the flux leaving the
drive coil. Now since the output coil is wound tightly on the same core as the drive core, then the flux
entering and leaving the output coil has to be the same as the drive coil. What happens to the output
coil when we put an air gap between the top and bottom of the output coil. It will now allow another
flux path to occur through the output coil besides the drive coil flux.
With this air gap, will the drive coil flux flow through the output coil producing both an electrical current
and creating an magnet in the core of the output coil? At this point power is being generated in the
output coil. If the core is being changed into a magnet during this process, it then may generate even
electrical power in the output coil because the air gap provides an additional path for the additional flux
to flow in addition to the drive coils flux.
The power to the drive coil is now turned off.
The output coil's core is magnetized. But it is decreasing in its strength. It is this change in the
amount of flux flowing in the output coil that is generating electrical power in the generator
at this time. So there is now power in the drive coil and the output coil is generating electrical energy
at this time. The air gap is providing the path for this flux to flow. It is not locked in a transformer core.
You have power in a pulse that is spent in a short duty cycle of the generators operation.
You have power generation in the output coil in a longer duty cycle while the core of the
output coil is turned into a magnet and then relaxes again all awhile the output coil is
generating electrical energy.
Now setting up an testing this simple configuration should be easy for someone to do.
If this works, then the 16 sets of stator1, output coil and stator 2's should work as well.
I would try to set up the experiment with a small flux bias in the primary coil as
I have already shared ideas in this thread on how to do it.
For those like me how like a sketch of what I have said, download the attached file.
The drawing shows one drive coil and one output coil because I think the Holcomb
generator can be reduced to this kind of a design configuration.
I hope I here from you about my idea's about this. I have had some good
thoughts in the past along with a lot of bad ones. So keep that in mind!
Lunkster
Quote from: Lunkster on May 13, 2022, 10:05:11 AM
Hi Everyone,
I am trying to get a better understanding of how the Holcomb generator can have a gain in the output coil when
the generator looks more like a transformer in its basic components.
The 16 sets of stator1, output coils, and stator 2 coils are intended to produce the 3 phase output signal
that is used in the industry today. I get that. So I believe that the OU should be able to
be demonstrated with one single set of Stator 1, output coil and stator 2 coils in the generator design.
Lunkster
Hello Lunkster,
If you are trying to understand this device, then leave aside all "conventional knowledge" about transformers...
This is NOT a "Typical" transformer...
Conventional Generators would -some how- help you better to understand how these devices work...well, sort of.
First, think of a Single Phase one...simple first.
Then Your mind set, would first need to "see" a Magnetic Field spinning within a Two Part Rotary Generator...forget about the coils and rotors spinning...just the magnetic field...and how it influences the Induction on the Stators...
Only then you would be ready to start thinking about these devices.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Lunkster, you make the same mistake as the replicators of Figuer's idea.
The winding must be in a gap (groove) inside the core
Let me remind you once again the evolution of Figuer's replicators' error as the gap between the magnets turned into a coil on the core.
WATCH SLIDE (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitAx2j175cbeBuCXC1obUPYev27uObq5MK-LypE-l49-tM-pXXNHgG42YfQfbkGo33lwSfIGKH2qnmCefO777TXGYuQGYvlgGbLlVPBqUyodLtu2CGKvgc37Po80MWwnuqV7LCHgDilsULNskztunwiuEFyudfygyl7ezbeVoyjSxFs0BWQYhkQrmk/w482-h446/2022-05-07_101739.jpg)
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 13, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
Lunkster, you make the same mistake as the replicators of Figuer's idea.
The winding must be in a gap (groove) inside the core
Let me remind you once again the evolution of Figuer's replicators' error as the gap between the magnets turned into a coil on the core.
WATCH SLIDE (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitAx2j175cbeBuCXC1obUPYev27uObq5MK-LypE-l49-tM-pXXNHgG42YfQfbkGo33lwSfIGKH2qnmCefO777TXGYuQGYvlgGbLlVPBqUyodLtu2CGKvgc37Po80MWwnuqV7LCHgDilsULNskztunwiuEFyudfygyl7ezbeVoyjSxFs0BWQYhkQrmk/w482-h446/2022-05-07_101739.jpg)
@Rakarkiy,
Please, let me ask you a simple question...Have You replicated Figuera's Generator Successfully?
If so, could You please show your videos where you are doing it successfully?...showing it self powering itself?
Because I DO have tried myself to replicate Figuera's Device, many, many ways, for a very long time, all possibilities...
and I DO have the proof, for years...in You Tube Videos...
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 13, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
The winding must be in a gap (groove) inside the core...
Your assumption, will not make any difference, Rakarskiy...
if that would be the "secret" to a "successful" Figuera..., then show it working!!
Ufopolitics
The Phrase of the day...
Quote...It is "so easy" to write here, showing to be an "Authority" on any given subject...
But, without any, absolutely any proof...
Anyone could do that...I mean, literally anyone.
I could also make very complicated graphics...and beautifully elaborated...Plus Animated... ;D
which will mean ABSOLUTELY "nada", nothing, without
THE REAL PROOFUfopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 13, 2022, 11:04:54 AM
@Rakarkiy,
Please, let me ask you a simple question...Have You replicated Figuera's Generator Successfully?
If so, could You please show your videos where you are doing it successfully?...showing it self powering itself?
Because I DO have tried myself to replicate Figuera's Device, many, many ways, for a very long time, all possibilities...
and I DO have the proof, for years...in You Tube Videos...
Your assumption, will not make any difference, Rakarskiy...
if that would be the "secret" to a "successful" Figuera..., then show it working!!
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, I don't want to prove anything to anyone. Don't like it, don't listen. My rule that everything we invent was invented by others is confirmed even in my case: by Figer, by Tesla, by many others, and now by Holcomb. I saw in Holcomb what I developed on my RAGEN - rotover without copying anyone. If you see, all questions will disappear.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 13, 2022, 12:59:47 PM
Ufopolitics, I don't want to prove anything to anyone. Don't like it, don't listen.
;D ...
Rakarskiy, basically you wrote:
Quoteall other Replicators of Figuera failed because of NOT winding inside a core gap..."
It would obviously mean that "You got it right"...that "You did it right"...and successfully...
And it happens, that I was one of those "Failed Replicators of Figuera"...
so, I am asking you...could you please, Enlighten Us All, failures, miserable mortals, that could not get it right!!
LOL
Freaking funny as sh*t
Ufopolitics
Quote from: F6FLT on May 08, 2022, 05:50:17 AM
Hi Rakarskiy
I read with interest what you said about the Holcomb technology. You linked it to Figuera's patent, which seems relevant, but very worrying since after more than a century we do not have any machine working according to Figuera's plan today. So won't we have any with Holcomb in 2122 either?
The problem with Holcomb is that in his patent, the energy is claimed to come from electron spin. So by talking about spin, Holcomb is relying on academic science to justify the extra energy produced.
If one considers the academic science incorrect, then the explanation by the spin does not make sense, and only the demonstration of the extra-energy by facts that everyone can observe and reproduce, is indispensable.
If we consider academic science correct, then :
- the imputation of extra-energy to electron spin is not valid since its mathematical formalism forbids the creation of energy in a closed system.
- or the imputation of extra-energy to the electron spin is valid but then the spin is only an intermediary capturing energy from elsewhere, so that Holcomb's explanation is incomplete and the real source of energy remains unknown
- or Holcomb ignores the source of the extra-energy, he just observes it, and he provides a bogus explanation in order to justify the extra-energy and make it credible for patentability and investors.
But what I see everywhere about Holcomb are digressions on magnetic fields and their couplings, based on the known rules of electromagnetism, which in no case can give rise to extra-energy.
As with all claims of overunity, there is a need to check the facts first. The problem with Holcomb's machine is that it is already an industrial machine, without proof of concept, i.e. without a simple setup based on the underlying principle involved in the phenomenon.
What would that principle be? What could be the elementary setup that would demonstrate it, even if it only produces a few mW?
I think this is the main interesting question. What is your analysis?
Excellent Post!!
How could I have missed it?
Figuera and Holcomb are completely different technologies...yes, both "move" the magnetic field itself (no cores, no coils movement)...and that is about the only thing in common they have.
1-Holcomb supposedly
rotates field.
2-Figuera
moves Field back and forth, by stepping up and down its currents by using resistors or inductors.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 13, 2022, 02:23:09 PM
Excellent Post!!
How could I have missed it?
Figuera and Holcomb are completely different technologies...yes, both "move" the magnetic field itself (no cores, no coils movement)...and that is about the only thing in common they have.
1-Holcomb supposedly rotates field.
2-Figuera moves Field back and forth, by stepping up and down its currents by using resistors or inductors.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Technology in sight. Once again I want to note on the example of a synchronous electric generator for a car, with field excitation from an electromagnet. To obtain the appropriate electromotive force in the stator slots, the electromagnet creates a magnetic flux with a corresponding magnetic induction. Mechanical force is needed to rotate the resulting magnetic field from the rotor. The conductor and the stator are stationary, the magnetic saturation of different poles moves inside the stator. Thus, there is no evidence that mechanical energy is converted into EMF. EMF in phases is a magnetic flux that changes with time. The wire is inside the core.
The maximum excitation current of the electromagnet is 5A, with an on-board network voltage of 12V. The maximum excitation power is 72 watts. The maximum output power of the generator is 1500 watts. What does it mean that the electromagnet created the corresponding magnetic flux (magnetic induction) to form an EMF, as a result of which, when the circuit is closed to the load, we have a current for 1500 watts of power. Do you explain this by the mechanical force of the drive?
The whole problem is that all researchers (independent), before doing, skip the design stage by parameters. Do you know the dimensionality of the magnetic induction in the stator slot when the field is rotated by switching electromagnets in your armature?
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html?view=flipcard&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp#!https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 13, 2022, 02:46:13 PM
Technology in sight. Once again I want to note on the example of a synchronous electric generator for a car, with field excitation from an electromagnet. To obtain the appropriate electromotive force in the stator slots, the electromagnet creates a magnetic flux with a corresponding magnetic induction. Mechanical force is needed to rotate the resulting magnetic field from the rotor. The conductor and the stator are stationary, the magnetic saturation of different poles moves inside the stator. Thus, there is no evidence that mechanical energy is converted into EMF. EMF in phases is a magnetic flux that changes with time. The wire is inside the core.
The maximum excitation current of the electromagnet is 5A, with an on-board network voltage of 12V. The maximum excitation power is 72 watts. The maximum output power of the generator is 1500 watts. What does it mean that the electromagnet created the corresponding magnetic flux (magnetic induction) to form an EMF, as a result of which, when the circuit is closed to the load, we have a current for 1500 watts of power. Do you explain this by the mechanical force of the drive?
The whole problem is that all researchers (independent), before doing, skip the design stage by parameters. Do you know the dimensionality of the magnetic induction in the stator slot when the field is rotated by switching electromagnets in your armature?
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html?view=flipcard&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp#!https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html?view=flipcard&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp#!https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html)
@Rakarskiy,
The worst example about generation of Energy in a typical Rotary Generator...is to cite a "Car Alternator"...
These things require so much torque, that only being attached to a car Engine will function properly...
Besides its arrangement of the Exciter is a waste of flux galore!!
I mean, look at it again!!...the Field is Static, however Poles are REDIRECTED to each upper-lower Solid Steel Rotor with tooth design...
Even the shaft of the Alternator gets magnetized!!
If it produces 1500 Watts is due all about Amperage...it needs around 200 to even 600 Amps torefil the battery after a few attempts to start the car...just because the Starter Motor requires around that much!!
It only produces from 12-14V Max...the rest is amperage to reach the 1500W...
And by the way, post above was not directed to you, but the guy who posted it originally did ask you to "analyze" the Holcomb Design...
It is a waste!!...only good to keep the 12V battery charged...
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics
QuoteThe Phrase of the day...
Quote
It is "so easy" to write here, showing to be an "Authority" on any given subject...
But, without any, absolutely any proof...
This was always the case regarding everything we have not seen first hand or proven for ourselves. I would suspect the majority of everything we were taught or read on any subject is accepted on good faith.
It's obviously a slippery slope because we can be judged in the same way and measure we judge others. Thus I could discard all scientific knowledge I have not seen first hand proof of in the same way my work could be judged. Some could argue thousands of people have proven something over decades. However I don't know all of them, I have not seen any proof first hand so I can discard there beliefs using the same kind of reasoning they have.
So we should be clear any supposed authority anyone believes they may have is for the most part imaginary. We are free to believe whatever we want... as it should be.
The way forward is to make a compelling argument based on logic, reason and justification. The better we can justify something the more credibility it has and then it's up to the readers to decide.
Regards
AC
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 13, 2022, 05:03:42 PM
@Rakarskiy,
The worst example about generation of Energy in a typical Rotary Generator...is to cite a "Car Alternator"...
These things require so much torque, that only being attached to a car Engine will function properly...
Besides its arrangement of the Exciter is a waste of flux galore!!
I mean, look at it again!!...the Field is Static, however Poles are REDIRECTED to each upper-lower Solid Steel Rotor with tooth design...
Even the shaft of the Alternator gets magnetized!!
If it produces 1500 Watts is due all about Amperage...it needs around 200 to even 600 Amps torefil the battery after a few attempts to start the car...just because the Starter Motor requires around that much!!
It only produces from 12-14V Max...the rest is amperage to reach the 1500W...
...
It is a waste!!...only good to keep the 12V battery charged...
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
The Lundell (claw rotor) alternator has served the automotive industry and market well over a long span of years. You, and others, often bad-mouth the common 12V alternator found under the hood of practically every car for decades and decades, and for some valid reasons, primarily due to the competitive industry beating every last penny out of it, sacrificing energy efficiency and other attributes which you deem important. But the reasons which you mentioned above are not valid.
The claw rotor topology appears to be your main gripe. It is commonly called a Lundell rotor, and considered an MPM (Modulated Pole Machine) or transverse flux machine. Modern versions of this topology are used to design some excellent efficiency and power dense motors and generators. And recently, past decade or two, the automotive alternator design has been rethought in terms of costs of materials and process so they would require no more "engine torque" than another type of generator of similar specifications.
Manufacturing tolerance and cheap materials may in fact contribute to flux leakage, but I don't think the shaft is magnetized, and even if it was, a non(or slowly) changing flux is not a loss mechanism, so what's the big deal? We already mentioned efficiency and size.
The alternator doesn't need "around 200 to even 600 Amps torefil the battery after a few attempts to start the car." It is limited to the rating of the alternator, like 60 or 90A and takes a while longer to recharge the battery.
And it isn't uncommon to see experimenters repurpose standard old car or truck alternators to put out 100+ volts.
It is far from a "waste". It was a tremendous improvement over the commutator generator which it replaced.
I hope you can't delete this post. But it is off topic, but a valid reply to the nonsense which you posted.
Regards,
bi
QuoteAnd by the way, post above was not directed to you, but the guy who posted it originally did ask you to "analyze" the Holcomb Design...
Design? Everything is simple there, these are two generators in one product. If we consider the "hardware" with grooves for the winding of the generator, then we will see the groove outside and inside. There is such an analogy in the system of generators, see the slide. The question is whether the availability of information on the network prevents someone from getting it. I was looking for an axial similar design and found a direct analogy with electromechanical.
Everything else according to the traditional algorithm, friends. There are no secrets, the design is only an engineering solution. What is not indicated is the electrical steel materials used, with which the maximum magnetic induction is achieved.
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/12/9/1761 For the engine, and why "NO" for the generator. By the way, now I know what Figuera wanted to say in the 1908 patent. The system did not give, published but corrected, and everything came to a standstill. Holcomb came up with the only correct solution for such a design.
As for the car generator, in order to move one electromagnet relative to another, which is installed statically, overcoming their mutual attraction, mechanical force is needed. The cause of EMF is the magnetic flux of the rotor, which has its own power consumption. When compared with the output power of a generator, explain the reason for the transformation under the action of a mechanical driving force in order to overcome the magnetic blocking of the electromagnets. All this can be organized by the electromagnet current control system, or by a combined electromagnet on/off system.
The alternator in the car's on-board circuit powers the loads and recharges the battery. After starting the car engine, you can generally remove the battery from the circuit. The approximate peak value of the generator current is up to 100 amperes. If it is at a speed of 100 km / h, the cost of mechanical drive force will be less. than at 40 km/h. The excitation current is changed to form the corresponding EMF. The current is the resultant force of the vortex magnetic field from another opera. When designing a particular device, engineers take into account the performance of tasks in various conditions. Designing a car generator is quite difficult.
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
Hi Ufo,
The Lundell (claw rotor) alternator has served the automotive industry and market well over a long span of years. You, and others, often bad-mouth the common 12V alternator found under the hood of practically every car for decades and decades, and for some valid reasons, primarily due to the competitive industry beating every last penny out of it, sacrificing energy efficiency and other attributes which you deem important. But the reasons which you mentioned above are not valid.
The claw rotor topology appears to be your main gripe. It is commonly called a Lundell rotor, and considered an MPM (Modulated Pole Machine) or transverse flux machine. Modern versions of this topology are used to design some excellent efficiency and power dense motors and generators. And recently, past decade or two, the automotive alternator design has been rethought in terms of costs of materials and process so they would require no more "engine torque" than another type of generator of similar specifications.
Not valid?...hahahahaha
A Car Alternator is designed to put out more Amperage than Voltage...is that a wrong statement?
A Car Alternator waste a lot of Magnetic Strenght due to the simple fact, known to everyone skilled in the Arts...and that is by using the "Claw" solid steel rotor, which redirects and fraction into "multiple poles" in a 90º (a portion) of the main magnetic strenght-volume of flux, which emanates specifically from both poles...and yes, of course main shaft gets most of this flux...that is the reason why, they have to build the rotor with such huge mass of steel on both claws caps, in order to ¨take away¨some more from the shaft...is this ¨not valid¨??!!
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
Manufacturing tolerance and cheap materials may in fact contribute to flux leakage, but I don't think the shaft is magnetized, and even if it was, a non(or slowly) changing flux is not a loss mechanism, so what's the big deal? We already mentioned efficiency and size.
The "big deal" or better called "bad efficiency" is precisely that...the way flux is redirected and angled at 90º and fractured into smaller, multiple poles...a waste.
If this design method would be ¨so efficient¨ then why it is not applied in ALL the High Voltage, High Amperage, Industrial and Home Generators?Nope,
ALL Rotary Generators Home and Industrial, use the DIRECT, STRAIGHT ANGLE, MAGNETIC POLE FACE TO STATOR FACE OPERATION, period!!
...Then I wonder why not using the Lundell "Design Technique"?... ;D
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
The alternator doesn't need "around 200 to even 600 Amps torefil the battery after a few attempts to start the car." It is limited to the rating of the alternator, like 60 or 90A and takes a while longer to recharge the battery.
What you have written above is SO WRONG, so NON SENSICAL!!...it just shows your TOTAL IGNORANCE on these fields.
just search, do your job...search online and you will see that Alternators for a typical 8 Cylinder car (not talking about a Toyota Corolla, or a Hyundai 4 Cylinders) REQUIRE FROM 170- 200 Amps!!
As a matter of fact, in order to get the right Battery for your car...besides the size to fit in the battery housing, the most important requirement to get the right battery is to know the right
CRANKING AMPS...And "Cranking Amps" are NEVER, but NEVER RATED at 60-90 Amps!!
Cranking Amps starts at around 200A (for a very small vehicle, four cylinders)...and a Six Cylinders you are looking at 400-600 Cranking Amps.
And that is due to the other "Monster of Motor" utilized, to be able to Crank the Pistons with compression so the Farting Machines could start farting...the Starter Motor, which is also "designed" to consume so much Amperage to convert it in High Torque required to turn the Crankshaft.
After each successfull start (not failed) the battery amperage drops considerably, so the Alternator must refill it again during the drive...voltage-amperage regulator systems controls that operation.
Basically, after the start stage, during the vehicle normal operation, not so much amperage is required, except to run the AC Compressor Magnetic Clutch.
Ignition does not consume much, since it is operated thanks to Tesla design applied to the Ignition Coil, which utilizes low amperage and 12V to amplify into High Voltage to the spark plugs...and the rest are just the Electronics, the Entertainment System and Lights, etc,etc...
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
And it isn't uncommon to see experimenters repurpose standard old car or truck alternators to put out 100+ volts.
Same way it isn't uncommon to see experimenters use bicycle wheels as Generators... ;D
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
It is far from a "waste". It was a tremendous improvement over the commutator generator which it replaced.
From an ISOLATED point of view ANALYSIS (not looking at it as an accessory to the High Torque requirements of the Farting Machines) it is a bad design, a waste, just built to do what it must do...crank the high compressed pistons on every ICE.
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2022, 11:31:45 PM
I hope you can't delete this post. But it is off topic, but a valid reply to the nonsense which you posted.
Regards,
bi
Unfortunately, here I can not delete your post... I must admit that I love to do that...hahahaha
"A valid reply" to the nonsense I POSTED??!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Your point is just to find a spot to argue AGAINST whatever I write, no matter what it is about...
But it is OK...I am used to it....as a matter of fact, I find it very funny...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 14, 2022, 12:41:12 PM
Not valid?...hahahahaha
A Car Alternator is designed to put out more Amperage than Voltage...is that a wrong statement?
A Car Alternator waste a lot of Magnetic Strenght due to the simple fact, known to everyone skilled in the Arts...and that is by using the "Claw" solid steel rotor, which redirects and fraction into "multiple poles" in a 90º (a portion) of the main magnetic strenght-volume of flux, which emanates specifically from both poles...and yes, of course main shaft gets most of this flux...that is the reason why, they have to build the rotor with such huge mass of steel on both claws caps, in order to ¨take away¨some more from the shaft...is this ¨not valid¨??!!
The "big deal" or better called "bad efficiency" is precisely that...the way flux is redirected and angled at 90º and fractured into smaller, multiple poles...a waste.
If this design method would be ¨so efficient¨ then why it is not applied in ALL the High Voltage, High Amperage, Industrial and Home Generators?
Nope, ALL Rotary Generators Home and Industrial, use the DIRECT, STRAIGHT ANGLE, MAGNETIC POLE FACE TO STATOR FACE OPERATION, period!!
...Then I wonder why not using the Lundell "Design Technique"?... ;D
What you have written above is SO WRONG, so NON SENSICAL!!...it just shows your TOTAL IGNORANCE on these fields.
just search, do your job...search online and you will see that Alternators for a typical 8 Cylinder car (not talking about a Toyota Corolla, or a Hyundai 4 Cylinders) REQUIRE FROM 170- 200 Amps!!
As a matter of fact, in order to get the right Battery for your car...besides the size to fit in the battery housing, the most important requirement to get the right battery is to know the right CRANKING AMPS...And "Cranking Amps" are NEVER, but NEVER RATED at 60-90 Amps!!
Cranking Amps starts at around 200A (for a very small vehicle, four cylinders)...and a Six Cylinders you are looking at 400-600 Cranking Amps.
And that is due to the other "Monster of Motor" utilized, to be able to Crank the Pistons with compression so the Farting Machines could start farting...the Starter Motor, which is also "designed" to consume so much Amperage to convert it in High Torque required to turn the Crankshaft.
After each successfull start (not failed) the battery amperage drops considerably, so the Alternator must refill it again during the drive...voltage-amperage regulator systems controls that operation.
Basically, after the start stage, during the vehicle normal operation, not so much amperage is required, except to run the AC Compressor Magnetic Clutch.
Ignition does not consume much, since it is operated thanks to Tesla design applied to the Ignition Coil, which utilizes low amperage and 12V to amplify into High Voltage to the spark plugs...and the rest are just the Electronics, the Entertainment System and Lights, etc,etc...
Same way it isn't uncommon to see experimenters use bicycle wheels as Generators... ;D
From an ISOLATED point of view ANALYSIS (not looking at it as an accessory to the High Torque requirements of the Farting Machines) it is a bad design, a waste, just built to do what it must do...crank the high compressed pistons on every ICE.
Unfortunately, here I can not delete your post... I must admit that I love to do that...hahahaha
"A valid reply" to the nonsense I POSTED??!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Your point is just to find a spot to argue AGAINST whatever I write, no matter what it is about...
But it is OK...I am used to it....as a matter of fact, I find it very funny...
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
You say "A Car Alternator is designed to put out more Amperage than Voltage...is that a wrong statement?"
A wrong statement? I don't know. It is a stupid statement. More Amperage than Voltage? Electric potential difference and current are quite different quantities with completely different units. What sense does it make to compare the numerical values of the two? Are you saying that the automotive alternator is a high current low voltage device? Then the answer needs qualification like "compared to what?" Compared to the cranking motor, then not particularly. Compared to the wiper motor, yes.
What I can tell from your reply is that you think it is inefficient, meaning wasteful of power (watts) to have magnetic flux 'bend' at 90° and divide into multiple paths. Tell us how much power in watts is used to redirect 0.5 Telsa 90° in the core of a transformer, or solenoid core, or Lundell rotor, or the loss, in watts, encountered using an E-I transformer core, or a 12-pole Lundell rotor. Tell us the power (watts) lost in a magnetized shaft of a machine when the flux therein is essentially constant. You'll find these are not loss mechanisms.
Tell us why you think the alternator must produce the current level that the cranking motor requires? Doesn't the battery load level and provide peak currents well in excess of that which is drawn from the alternator?
You have many misconceptions. You preach these and would block any objections or challenges when you can. I find this particularly distasteful.
I am just pointing out issues with that post from you. To the reader: Don't simply believe me, LOOK IT UP. Research the issues and use the "scientific knowledge" available at your fingertips.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 14, 2022, 01:56:36 PM
Hi Ufo,
You say "A Car Alternator is designed to put out more Amperage than Voltage...is that a wrong statement?"
A wrong statement? I don't know. It is a stupid statement. More Amperage than Voltage? Electric potential difference and current are quite different quantities with completely different units. What sense does it make to compare the numerical values of the two? Are you saying that the automotive alternator is a high current low voltage device? Then the answer needs qualification like "compared to what?" Compared to the cranking motor, then not particularly. Compared to the wiper motor, yes.
You play "the stupid" whenever it is convenient...
I said Analyzing the Car Alternator as a sole Generating Unit.
"Compared to what?">>>
Compared to a typical Industrial or Home Generator.(3PH, 2PH, 1PH)Where the Voltage is always HIGHER than the Amperage.Ampertage and Voltage are the TWO used Parameters to calculate Power (Watts)Originally I posted my opinion to respond to Rakarskiy's post about his example analysis of the Car Alternator...
He was relating it and comparing it to this Topic, which is the Holcomb Generator.
But then you started your attack against whatever I wrote...
I am gonna have to opt to IGNORE YOU and all your replies to whatever I post.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 14, 2022, 12:41:12 PM
The "big deal" or better called "bad efficiency" is precisely that...the way flux is redirected and angled at 90º and fractured into smaller, multiple poles...a waste.
If this design method would be ¨so efficient¨ then why it is not applied in ALL the High Voltage, High Amperage, Industrial and Home Generators?
Nope, ALL Rotary Generators Home and Industrial, use the DIRECT, STRAIGHT ANGLE, MAGNETIC POLE FACE TO STATOR FACE OPERATION, period!!
...Then I wonder why not using the Lundell "Design Technique"?... ;D
...
Ufopolitics
I think this paper explains the topology, bending flux and dividing paths, pretty well. Take a look at the diagrams, 20 of them I think. Adaptations of MPM, of Lundell (claws).
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/14/21/7173/htm#
There are many factors which determine the design details for the application. Even with the rotten power efficiency of the old $5 Lundell car alternator, it was a marvel. I appreciate electric machinery for what it is and can be. You crap on it every chance you get. Why is that? You don't understand it. Where would you be without it? Cranking by hand to start your car, on horseback, or going nowhere?
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 14, 2022, 02:39:32 PM
You play "the stupid" whenever it is convenient...
I said Analyzing the Car Alternator as a sole Generating Unit.
"Compared to what?">>>Compared to a typical Industrial or Home Generator.(3PH, 2PH, 1PH)
Where the Voltage is always HIGHER than the Amperage.
Ampertage and Voltage are the TWO used Parameters to calculate Power (Watts)
Originally I posted my opinion to respond to Rakarskiy's post about his example analysis of the Car Alternator...
He was relating it and comparing it to this Topic, which is the Holcomb Generator.
But then you started your attack against whatever I wrote...
I am gonna have to opt to IGNORE YOU and all your replies to whatever I post.
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I use what you say, the words in you post. I know you were responding to the other member, but it wasn't a private message. I'm entitled to post my opinion. Which I do when I see misinformation and falsehoods. It is that which I attack, not you. In fact, I try to help you. But you're stubborn. Like 3 years ago, you start with moving main field in stationary steel and copper. And you still don't get it. 3-phase induction motor stator... Bingo...you got it. So go ahead, ignore me, delete me. Good luck.
bi
In vain you staged a controversy! Which shakes the topic, the wrong steppe.
Dr. Holcomb has a patent for a solid state rotor (this is essentially an analogue of an electromagnetic rotor for electromechanical machines).
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/d1/d7/018fe4892a4d9e/US20190238011A1.pdf
The text clearly states that this solid state rotor can be a replacement for the electromagnetic rotor in electromechanical generators.
Evolution slide (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/0689725.jpg)
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The example I gave, of an automotive alternator, shows the cost of driving an electromagnet and the result of phase power output
Unfortunately, such a simple example did not cause understanding of the technology.
I also provided a link to a section of physics that explains this difference.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2018/12/permanent-magnet-constant-device.html
It is this effect (intensification of the magnetic field, in electrical steel) that is used in all synchronous generators with electromagnetic excitation to create the corresponding magnetic induction in the wire zone in the core groove.
Just to be clear.. Holcomb has several patent applications.
No patent has yet been granted on this device.
L192
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 13, 2022, 12:59:47 PM
Ufopolitics, I don't want to prove anything to anyone. Don't like it, don't listen. My rule that everything we invent was invented by others is confirmed even in my case: by Figer, by Tesla, by many others, and now by Holcomb. I saw in Holcomb what I developed on my RAGEN - rotover without copying anyone. If you see, all questions will disappear.
Very inefficient design.
Small effective area of coil loop, very short core, so many wires outside the core.
Quote from: bistander on May 14, 2022, 03:00:06 PM
Even with the rotten power efficiency of the old $5 Lundell car alternator, it was a marvel.
I appreciate electric machinery for what it is and can be. You crap on it every chance you get. Why is that? You don't understand it. Where would you be without it? Cranking by hand to start your car, on horseback, or going nowhere?
bi
The Electric Machinery Industry have been "serving" plus "contributing" for over 200+ years, to the enhancement, the sophistication, the development and progress of the Internal Combustion Engines (ICE)...or, simply, how I call them: "The Farting Machines".
And so, the Lundell Alternator, the Amp Hog of the Starter Motor are just a couple of examples...but there are tons...tons of Electrical Inventions that have been "devoted" just to satisfy the "demand" of the ICE...
We are on the 21st Century...and we are ALL, STILL, Worldwide, dependent of these farting machines, for EVERYTHING we attempt to do...transport to...Air, Sea and Ground are still dependent of these pieces of sh*t machines.
Electric Generators require the "muscle force" of the ICE to operate...
So, We are all still dependent of Oil...of "burning" fossil fuels...??!!
A brief resume of our History...and how everything started...to get screwed off
When
Faraday demonstrated his first and simplest experiment* to show how magnetic field could generate electricity by "Induction"...then put together his Formula to cover its work...
BUT then came this "smart" guy, who by just adding a minus sign in front of Faraday's Equation, (-Faraday Law=Lenz Law) got his last name on it...WOW!!...that was so easy!!
The "Lenz Law"...Which is just the ancient, old "operation" to
SEPARATE TWO MAGNETS in ATTRACTION...and the "required" force to do that "Operation"...Duh!!...How PATHETIC!!
Ever since, We have been bound, constrained and dependent to that "(-Law)"...
without recognizing that we never needed it at all...
I just wish You, that You could see everything the way I do...and honestly, I do feel sorry that you can not...and so a majority all over.
Ufopolitics
*Do You Remember Faraday's first and simplest experiment-test?Faraday's first experiment on electromagnetic induction (https://www.electrical4u.com/faraday-law-of-electromagnetic-induction/)It was so simple!!:
Just introducing a bar magnet, magnetized along the length...inside a Coil, connected to a Galvanometer...that showed a positive gain.Why did we ever had to take it out?...Why not keep going into other coils?Without ever having to reverse the primary operation? !¿...?!
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 15, 2022, 11:59:50 AM
The Electric Machinery Industry have been "serving" plus "contributing" for over 200+ years, to the enhancement, the sophistication, the development and progress of the Internal Combustion Engines (ICE)...or, simply, how I call them: "The Farting Machines".
And so, the Lundell Alternator, the Amp Hog of the Starter Motor are just a couple of examples...but there are tons...tons of Electrical Inventions that have been "devoted" just to satisfy the "demand" of the ICE...
We are on the 21st Century...and we are ALL, STILL, Worldwide, dependent of these farting machines, for EVERYTHING we attempt to do...transport to...Air, Sea and Ground are still dependent of these pieces of sh*t machines.
Electric Generators require the "muscle force" of the ICE to operate...
So, We are all still dependent of Oil...of "burning" fossil fuels...??!!
A brief resume of our History...and how everything started...to get screwed off
When Faraday demonstrated his first and simplest experiment* to show how magnetic field could generate electricity by "Induction"...then put together his Formula to cover its work...
BUT then came this "smart" guy, who by just adding a minus sign in front of Faraday's Equation, (-Faraday Law=Lenz Law) got his last name on it...WOW!!...that was so easy!!
The "Lenz Law"...Which is just the ancient, old "operation" to SEPARATE TWO MAGNETS in ATTRACTION...and the "required" force to do that "Operation"...Duh!!...How PATHETIC!!
Ever since, We have been bound, constrained and dependent to that "(-Law)"...without recognizing that we never needed it at all...
I just wish You, could see everything the way I do...and honestly, I do feel sorry that you can not...and so a majority all over.
Ufopolitics
*Do You Remember Faraday's first and simplest experiment-test?
It was so simple!!:
Just introducing a bar magnet, magnetized along the length...inside a Coil, connected to a Galvanometer...that showed a positive gain.
Why did we ever had to take it out?...
Why not keep going into other coils?
Without ever having to reverse the primary operation?
!¿...?!
Ufo,
For a long time you've blamed electric machinery for mankind's dependency on fossil fuel and your farting apparatuses. Step back and see that Faraday and Lenz give us the path away from those monsters.
See everything as you do? Ignore the book of knowledge? I'll pass. I like Lenz. I like generated voltage (BEMF, or as you called it, the witch). Make light of the ease to add a minus sign to the equation. Or maybe be thankful there was a great mind to first realize how nature works, like Newton and his 3rd law.
You might actually make progress with your efforts if you'd stop spinning your wheels trying to reinvent the wheel. Use an existing method for step one and get on with step two where the mystery is. We have a great resource called scientific knowledge. Look it up. You'd be wise to use it.
bi
You can argue a lot, deny a lot, not believe and not understand.
The Holcomb Energy System (https://holcombenergysystems.com/) product, took place. Has patents, demonstration installations and, most importantly, already implemented projects with customers.
The fact that his authorities will begin to limit. does not raise any doubt. The only question is the dissemination of this technology in other energy companies and design bureaus. It is impossible to forbid, it is the same as to forbid the use of Faraday's Electromagnetic Induction.
It is safe to say that the era of solid-state electromagnetic generators of electric energy has begun, though with a delay of more than 100 years.
Very good simulation. See OUR.com.....
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98980;topicseen#msg98980
Reply #142 by member solarlab.
I'm unable to post there. Wanted members here to see it. My comments:
1000AT is far in excess of what could fit into a cell phone size case using copper.
Field (flux lines) will look significantly different when top half of magnetic circuit is in place.
I, for one, would like to be able to slow the sequence to visualize field shape, but not so important without complete core.
I hope member continues.
bi
Solarlab is now able to post here ( last week or so )
Also he can have a moderated board here for his amazing
Simulations.
Where he is sharing at OUR forum is a moderated board ( AllCanadian moderates there if needed)
I do believe Solarlab has very limited time to post all this info,
So it's good to give links back to his work for now !
IMO the more eyes the better for this simulation
Perhaps others of like talent can also participate!
Respectfully
Chet K
The whole process of designing an electromagnetic solid-state generator, as well as a mechanical one, consists in the correct calculation of the magnetic circuit. If in a mechanical electric generator the initial magnetic flux of the rotor is "constant" and the calculated saturation level is reached at the corresponding magnetic induction, then in a solid-state rotor this process must be controlled. The effect of conditional constancy of magnetic saturation is achieved. switching of electromagnets according to a special algorithm. This is a property of parallel and series closure of the magnetic circuit, the subsequent closure of the magnetic circuit. A solid rotor is an element of a combination of parallel connection of electromagnets while maintaining a constant level of magnetic flux and level of magnetic induction.
In a closed inhomogeneous magnetic circuit, the magnetic flux is not uniform. If a design engineer does not know this, he has a fake diploma.
The subject of designing magnetic circuits is extremely complex. At times - two, in this direction it is difficult to understand. Magnetic induction is a non-linear function, it is the magnetic field itself. The magnetic induction is maximum when the magnetic permeability in the material where it is manifested is already minimal. There are a lot of interesting things there.
The Holcomb Energy System is absolutely real and cloneable. The design engineer should understand this. Believe me, a correctly set technical task, the result will be. Because I think that the ERA of solid-state electric generators has begun ..
Sincerely.
Quote from: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 18, 2022, 02:16:14 AM
I expect that with a non-linearly changing current in the inductance, which implies a parametric process, the graph should be something like this. But for this, I would like to talk with a person who could recommend a CAD system in which one could set a time-varying inductance
Any inductor with a ferromagnetic core will be non-linear in time, right?
The magnetic permeability of the material changes all the time from the current flowing in the coil.
To solarlab PWM signal
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 15, 2022, 02:54:47 AM
In vain you staged a controversy! Which shakes the topic, the wrong steppe.
Dr. Holcomb has a patent for a solid state rotor (this is essentially an analogue of an electromagnetic rotor for electromechanical machines).
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/d1/d7/018fe4892a4d9e/US20190238011A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/d1/d7/018fe4892a4d9e/US20190238011A1.pdf)
Rakarskiy ,при всій повазі, це має бути хтось, хто є реалістичним тут.
або, якщо бути точніше - той, хто дивиться на факти, а не на фантазії
«Сла́ва Украї́ні!»
____________________________________________quoted by you link is not a patent is an application.- please correct me if I'm wrong.
In this link below there are only applications of that medical doctor who wants to be inventor in physics.
However there is one patent:
Derivatizing organometallic halides (https://patents.justia.com/patent/7238824) Patent number: 7238824
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-holcomb (https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-holcomb) Type: Grant Filed: June 7, 2004 Date of Patent: July 3, 2007 Assignee: Agilent Technologies, Inc. Inventor: Nelson Robert Holcomb
it is Grant probably because it was assigned to Agilent ( former Hewlett-Packard).
____________________________________________
In a few sentences can anyone explain to me :
1. what is the energy coming from - in Holcomb so-called invention?
2. what is the form of initial energy?
3. What that energy is changed to?
4. where is the gain and what is the nature of the gain of net energy if any?
so the bottom line is: I see some sort of medical doctor with his 2004 till 2010 patent applications
mostly abundant or rejected who changed the name
for the fresh one: HOLCOMB SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH LIMITED,
Incorporated: 2017-02-23 and marked as
inactive.https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/holcomb-scientific-research-limited (https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/holcomb-scientific-research-limited)QuoteThe company began trading on 23 February 2017 and employs 4.
Patent application is not a patent yet - anyone of you can file patent application .
so now they have that, the only
patent application the ever produced for that inactive entity
mentioned here by rakarskiy
https://patents.justia.com/assignee/holcomb-scientific-research-limited (https://patents.justia.com/assignee/holcomb-scientific-research-limited)we may assume that trading was their source of money.
some criticism is expressed here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/6kk7aa/holcomb_scientific_research_llc_scam/)
____________________________________________
Conclusions:all of the listed above, doesn't prove or disprove the concept.
However there is only concept and there is no patent at the present time for the device in question.
The so-called inventor, since 2004 didn't convince the general public and is in business of publicly trading
his own stock I assume.
Wesley
stivep, check out this post here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg566716/#msg566716
and another patent that the guy is experimenting with
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
I hope you know what the letter "B" means at the end of the patent number.
I've never been interested in what's being pushed into the explanation of technology. I was interested in the very possibility of such a device. I understand how it works and make a clear case for workability. Womprs can Holcomb monopolize the technology? No, there is nothing that is unknown to science. It all comes down to good engineering design.
Magnetic amplification in electrical steel is one of the disciplines taught in educational institutions where electrical engineers are trained.
The magnetic field that is created in the body of the steel magnetic circuit already has its own potential, which induces an EMF in the phase conductor. This field is much larger than the magnetic induction from the winding of the excitation electromagnet, the permanent rotor electromagnet.
How Holcomb (more precisely, the team of engineers who worked on the device) solved the issue with the resistance of the fields, which already forms the phase winding under load, is not disclosed in the patent or in the explanations. This does not mean that the device is not working.
The fact that they want to hide this technology for another .... the number of years is extremely clear. I won't be surprised if Holcomb announces the unavailability of his devices and dives soon.
Україна переможе! Україна – це Русь. Росія це вигадана країна. Є такий наказ "Ванька, що не пам'ятає спорідненості".
Вони не вміють будувати, тільки грабувати і вбивати. Все добре, що можуть згадати в СРСР було за Брежнєва, а Брещнєв це українець із провінційного індустріального містечка возі міста Дніпро.
A patent attorney just informed me that Dr. Holcomb's patent application of Aug 1, 2019, so often referenced in this thread, is now a granted US patent dated May 17, 2022, just 6 days ago.
The US patent number is US 11,336,134 B2 and not yet showing up on the Google patent search.
The cover page art was swapped for one of the more recondite embodiments and there are some minor, non-material edits in the claims at the end. But otherwise the granted patent is identical to the Aug 1, 2019 patent application in my review.
Consider one moment that explains the operation of both a mechanical electric generator and a solid state one. Rotor and stator made of electrical steel have relative magnetic permeability. This property refers to the magnetic resistance of the steel material to the electromagnetic field of the excitation coil (magnetic field strength). Magnetic induction refers to the magnetic field generated in steel. With the growth of the magnetic field, as an independent structure, under the action of electromagnetic, the magnetic resistance of the circuit grows, this property is explained precisely by the appearance in the core of its own magnetic field, which is many times greater than the magnetic induction of a coil without a core. This process is non-linear. It is this field that is the source that induces the EMF in any mechanical synchronous generator (a circuit from my book, with a graph of permeability and induction) or the considered solid-state electromagnetic generator.
Holcomb did not dissemble that electrical steel is the source of energy, but for some reason he did not indicate, that he used the property of electrical steel to amplify a magnetic field a certain number of times.
Everything else is an engineering solution or technology. The technology of controlling the magnetic field, which is excited in electrical steel, with its movement (rotation) in the generator stator, without mechanical force to rotate the rotor.
Думаю, вопрос о том, что является источником в Энергетической Системе Холкомба, закрыт. Действие его устройства заключается в преобразовании энергии первичной цепи в энергию, вторичной цепи - с увеличением выходной мощности, по отношению к входной.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 24, 2022, 02:42:27 AM
Holcomb did not dissemble that electrical steel is the source of energy, but for some reason he did not indicate, that he used the property of electrical steel to amplify a magnetic field a certain number of times.
Everything else is an engineering solution or technology. The technology of controlling the magnetic field, which is excited in electrical steel, with its movement (rotation) in the generator stator, without mechanical force to rotate the rotor.
Думаю, вопрос о том, что является источником в Энергетической Системе Холкомба, закрыт. Действие его устройства заключается в преобразовании энергии первичной цепи в энергию, вторичной цепи - с увеличением выходной мощности, по отношению к входной.
This is known by every secondary school pupil, attending physics lectures. :)
Ferromagnetic materials do amplify magnetic field, of course. But it works both way. Once in output solenoid starts flowing a current, it creates opposite magnetic field that is amplified the same way, and opposes cause of change- magnetic field from primary coil.
Nonlinearity region of very soft ferromagnetic materials could be only used in setups like Current Transformer in flyback regime.
Only then you could harness ferromagnetic amplification.
Cheers,
Pix
Hеllo Pix!
There is no counter field there, and this is the big lie of education. The field is strengthening, not opposing. To understand this, you need to check the polarity of the core to the magnetic pole at different distances. to distinguish what is primary and what is secondary in a given action. This was chewed up and used in his invention by Robert Adams. Do not confuse the magnetism of materials with the ampere force.
If there were counter flows in the core, the resultant would be zero. the electromagnetic moment would be zero or close to it. In fact, the flow is maximum. There is another position that is not considered in education, this is the mechanism for inducing EMF from an external field, and its interaction with the field of a conductor under current. So what every student knows is critically insufficient for the design of a solid-state and mechanical generator
Quotelike Current Transformer in flyback regime.
What it is?
з.ы. Please give me the electric circuit ESMD751L4TXA
There is nothing to eat, you understand? :)
I refused to repair TVs for fundamental, moral reasons.
With TVs, it was easier with documentation. Everything is familiar there.
It was the main source of income.
I'm do not asking for money. Usually everywhere they ask for money.
But I can make it myself. ;)
p.s.
QuoteUnfortunately this drive has been discontinued for over 5 years and even parts are no longer available.
I would recommend replace with a newer product, see attached i550 cabinet series drive.
Well, I just asked for an electrical circuit diagram for repair, and they sent this... >:(
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 24, 2022, 04:46:43 AM
Hеllo Pix!
There is no counter field there, and this is the big lie of education. The field is strengthening, not opposing. To understand this, you need to check the polarity of the core to the magnetic pole at different distances. to distinguish what is primary and what is secondary in a given action. This was chewed up and used in his invention by Robert Adams. Do not confuse the magnetism of materials with the ampere force.
If there were counter flows in the core, the resultant would be zero. the electromagnetic moment would be zero or close to it. In fact, the flow is maximum. There is another position that is not considered in education, this is the mechanism for inducing EMF from an external field, and its interaction with the field of a conductor under current. So what every student knows is critically insufficient for the design of a solid-state and mechanical generator
Then every transformer should be an OU device.
Quote from: kolbacict on May 24, 2022, 05:15:09 AM
What it is?
Current Transformer I see like a magnetic diode. B field from central conductor is amplified by ferromagnetic material of toroidal core. Current in the coil is prohibited to flow by diode, there is no magnetic counter field in the core
Once current flow in central conductor is stopped, amplified magnetic field in toroidal core collapses and induces bemf in the coil.
Very small B field from central conductor is enough to fully magnetize toroidal core.
There is no Lenz action back to central conductor (magnetizing circuit) from coil on the toroidal core.
In this way we harvest nonlinear region (amplification) of ferromagnetic material.
Cheers,
Pix
Edit. A small air gap in the toroidal core would be beneficial to store more magnetic energy. Could be also distributed.
Quote from: pix on May 24, 2022, 05:16:29 AM
Then every transformer should be an OU device.
A transformer cannot be an OU, by definition of action - interturn mutual induction. The secondary winding interacts with the primary winding in the transformer according to the rules of current meshing between parallel wires. The magnetic field of the core cannot be the main transmitting source. An example is the use of a gap in the core, the magnetic induction of the core is sharply down, and the current in the transmission circuits is sharply up.
A test.
Two U ferrite cores, 1primary coil 100 turns ,2 flat coils 10 turns.
All you get is a bad transformer.
Don't think rakarskiy concept is going to work.
You have to consider inductance and reactance.
Holcomb has a way to reduce those.
Wonder if he is aware of that.
Someone that can figure it out?
Hint: look at the firing sequence he is using.
PICTURES in PDF
Quote from: Feb2006 on May 24, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
A test.
Two U ferrite cores, 1primary coil 100 turns ,2 flat coils 10 turns.
All you get is a bad transformer.
Don't think rakarskiy concept is going to work.
You have to consider inductance and reactance.
Holcomb has a way to reduce those.
Wonder if he is aware of that.
Someone that can figure it out?
Hint: look at the firing sequence he is using.
PICTURES in PDF
Well done, gotta check it out. I am also working on the impulse system. But neither I nor you have a magnetic field in the core.
I have a yellow beam, this is the EMF in the groove. (1V = 1A) According to the calculations, it should be 0.35V. In this case, 0.02 V corresponds just to the magnetic induction of the coil without a core.
it turns out that there is no field in the kernel that needs to be obtained.
And the core is like a focused channel of the coil's magnetic induction. But it looks like I'm already close to figuring out how to ignite, this field in the impulse system.
In the systems of Holcomb and Park, Zhe Sun is not an impulse, but a permanent electromagnet with a caterpillar switching function, like a crawling caterpillar.
Quote from: Feb2006 on May 24, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
A test.
Two U ferrite cores, 1primary coil 100 turns ,2 flat coils 10 turns.
All you get is a bad transformer.
Don't think rakarskiy concept is going to work.
You have to consider inductance and reactance.
Holcomb has a way to reduce those.
Wonder if he is aware of that.
Someone that can figure it out?
Hint: look at the firing sequence he is using.
PICTURES in PDF
Agreed, similar output layout, check schematic and flux sim gifs.
Sorry, could'nt upload sketchup file of array, too big. The GIFs are animated, guess you have to download. Lastly, that schematic is missing a ferrite rod after position 9.
Wayne.
Quotehttps://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187288/
I understood. This is what is in many switching power supplies to protect against excess surge current. As part of the PWM controller. And also in my frequency converters for asynchronous
motors, for which you do not give me a diagram. :)
Quote from: phoneboy on May 24, 2022, 04:50:34 PM
Sorry, could'nt upload sketchup file of array, too big. The GIFs are animated, guess you have to download. Lastly, that schematic is missing a ferrite rod after position 9.
Wayne.
And what does rolamite have to do with it?
:-\
Just like a contact switch?
I thought at first that there was a big intrigue hidden there ...
PHONEBOY I JUST LOVE YOUR PLAN. JUST BRILLIANT. I WISH YOU LUCK AND GREAT FORTUNE.
Hello to All,
A new Member here (Beginners Mind) just send me this email, and ask me to post it since Member's post is still waiting on approval:
RE:
Quote
I attempted to post the following yesterday on the Holcomb thread, but having never posted before the post must be cleared by an administrator first. Since it is unclear how long that may take I would like to share this with you in the hopes you will get the message out. I'm sure you will agree it is important to those following this topic.
A patent attorney just informed me that Dr. Holcomb's patent application of Aug 1, 2019, so often referenced in this thread, is now a granted US patent dated May 17, 2022, just 6 days ago.
The US patent number is US 11,336,134 B2 and not yet showing up on the Google patent search.
The cover page art was swapped for one of the more recondite embodiments and there are some minor, non-material edits in the claims at the end. But otherwise the granted patent is identical to the Aug 1, 2019 patent application in my review.
Regards to All
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, good news!
Letter B, at the end of the patent number (US11336134B2) what exactly does it mean?
Does anyone know the rules for assigning numbers and categories?
If the patent granted was against application US 2019 / 0238011 A1,
that application did not make a claim that it could power its self.
It also makes no specific claim for efficiency.
On this basis I could see why the USPTO would grant a patent.
L192
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11336134B2/en?oq=US+%2211336134%22+B2
B1: [/font][/size]Invention patent (second publication after examination)[/font][/size] [/font][/size]
B2: Supplementary invention patent (second publication after examination)[/font][/size]
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 25, 2022, 09:42:33 AM
Ufopolitics, good news!
Letter B, at the end of the patent number (US11336134B2) what exactly does it mean?
Does anyone know the rules for assigning numbers and categories?
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/support-centers/electronic-business-center/kind-codes-included-uspto-patent
B2 Patent Having a previously published pre-grant publication and available March 2001
C1, C2, C3 Reexamination Certificate Previously used codes B1 and B2 are now used for granted Patents
Quote from: listener192 on May 25, 2022, 11:00:54 AM
If the patent granted was against application US 2019 / 0238011 A1,
that application did not make a claim that it could power its self.
It also makes no specific claim for efficiency.
On this basis I could see why the USPTO would grant a patent.
L192
Thanks.
In a nutshell, what is it good for? Usefulness?
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on May 25, 2022, 03:08:46 AM
I understood. This is what is in many switching power supplies to protect against excess surge current. As part of the PWM controller. And also in my frequency converters for asynchronous
motors, for which you do not give me a diagram. :)
And what does rolamite have to do with it?
:-\
Just like a contact switch?
I thought at first that there was a big intrigue hidden there ...
A rolamite has nothing to do with the holcomb device it was just an idea for a low friction sparkless mechanical switch with regards to the figueroa device.
The reason I posted was because I see some possible correlatipns between the two methods, the moving field and "A unique method of harnessing energy from the magnetic domains found in ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials"
In the drawing you have two closed magnetic circuits. If you were to map out the fields in the inductor array based on input to the individual switch positions you see how the fields break into two loops between positions 2-8. All that was covered long ago. The reason for the ferrite rods is due to that. The ferrite gets magnetized for free aligning its domains and then this stray field that magnetizes it moves on as the switch position changes. Now, what happens to this piece or ferrite as its field collapses in this closed magnetic circuit? Essentially, I think if the these devices are overunity its due to heat.
Quote from: listener192 on May 25, 2022, 11:14:46 AM
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11336134B2/en?oq=US+%2211336134%22+B2
B1: [/font][/size]Invention patent (second publication after examination)[/font][/size] [/font][/size]
B2: Supplementary invention patent (second publication after examination)[/font][/size]
Thank you!
"re-publication after EXPERTISE!" it remains to be understood what list of measures is included in the examination when a patent application is granted or denied.
Nice illustration of the same Holcomb patent "Solid State Rotor" under different editions.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190238011A1/en?oq=US+"11336134"+B2
I dare to suggest that there is such an item in the EXPERTISE - "research of the current model".
Quote from: phoneboy on May 25, 2022, 08:48:16 PM
Essentially, I think if the these devices are overunity its due to heat.
I thought about it. If we catch the cooling phase of the ferromagnetic material and use external thermal energy. But, unfortunately, the speed of electrical processes is too fast, and thermal inertia
is too slow. This is a technological contradiction.
p.s. Rolamite itself is a unique device. :)
So I fantasize about creating an electrical analogue of it.
Another story of the solid state generator, the principle of the same switching is different. Changing places of terms in a traditional commutator machine.
Patent *US8629588B2 (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e0/85/a3/3203853ab72c52/US8629588.pdf) , Inventor Park Zhe Sun,
"A device for generating AC power by a DC power brush rotating with a field pole generator, and a device for generating DC power"
(cunning name can be just SOLID STATE GENERATOR)
peculiarities
2010-07-08 Application filed by Jae Song Park
2012-05-10 Publication US20120113697A1 (Three years after application)
2014-01-14 The application is satisfied* (the letter B at the end of the patent indicates that an examination has been carried out)
2014-01-14 Publication US8629588B2 (Four years after publication, and seven years after application)
Status Active until 2030-12-17
I still can't see a difference between Holcomb "non mechanical rotation generator" and AC slip ring motor with locked rotor. ;D
Apart from complexity....
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on May 26, 2022, 06:17:20 AM
I still can't see a difference between Holcomb "non mechanical rotation generator" and AC slip ring motor with locked rotor. ;D
Apart from complexity....
Cheers,
Pix
Or with an AC motor with a phase rotor.
In Ukraine, by the way, they immediately suggested using the installation of an AC motor with a phase rotor, fixing the rotor to counteract rotation, as a variant of a static converter. I don't know if the author implemented the idea.
If it is possible to excite a rotating field in a fixed phase rotor, it must be taken into account that the supplied excitation energy will be many times less.
Mr. Radarkskiy,
What is a "phase rotor"?
bi
Mr. Pix,
I agree. I think most do not realize, not comprehend or just don't believe the rotating magnetic field (commonly referred to as RMF) found in the 3-phase machines.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 26, 2022, 03:33:11 PM
Mr. Radarkskiy,
What is a "phase rotor"?
bi
Mr. Pix,
I agree. I think most do not realize, not comprehend or just don't believe the rotating magnetic field (commonly referred to as RMF) found in the 3-phase machines.
bi
https://youtu.be/JPn5Ou-N0b0
https://kiev.prom.ua/p1556480543-elektrodvigatel-faznym-rotorom.html
bistander
QuoteI agree. I think most do not realize, not comprehend or just don't believe the rotating magnetic field (commonly referred to as RMF) found in the 3-phase machines.
This reminds me of populism and a nursery rhyme called "Humpty Dumpty". In every book they show Humpty as an egg which supposedly falls off a wall.
In fact an egg has nothing to do with the real story and Humpty Dumpty was an English cannon, lol.
The English were being bombarded in a fortification and there cannon called humpty dumpty fell off the wall it was mounted on and could not be put back together again.
The popular story of a rotating magnetic field is similar. It's not a real field rotation because a magnetic field cannot rotate.
In fact, it's a progressively switched(Sine Wave) field which uses flux linkage to emulate a field rotation.
As one magnetic field/coil forward expands another magnetic field/coil behind collapses.
The flux linking between coils, links them, appearing as a single field when if fact it is switched.
The first clue should have been the term AC or alternating current. Logically a field cannot truly rotate when it ceases to exist in between an alternation/reversal.
The field expands(N) then contracts to zero then expands in an opposite polarity(S) then contracts to zero and repeats this cycle.
So we should be clear this expansion/contraction/flux linking may appear to be a rotation just as blinking christmas lights appear to move in a linear fashion however it is not a true field rotation... it's an illusion.
In my opinion it is these kinds of false beliefs,ie. field rotation, which hinders a persons ability to learn.
It's simply not true and cannot be justified with any real facts or justification.
Regards
AC
So "phase rotor" means a slip ring induction motor in your vocabulary?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: onepower on May 26, 2022, 09:28:42 PM
bistander
This reminds me of populism and a nursery rhyme called "Humpty Dumpty". In every book they show Humpty as an egg which supposedly falls off a wall.
In fact an egg has nothing to do with the real story and Humpty Dumpty was an English cannon, lol.
The English were being bombarded in a fortification and there cannon called humpty dumpty fell off the wall it was mounted on and could not be put back together again.
The popular story of a rotating magnetic field is similar. It's not a real field rotation because a magnetic field cannot rotate.
In fact, it's a progressively switched(Sine Wave) field which uses flux linkage to emulate a field rotation.
As one magnetic field/coil forward expands another magnetic field/coil behind collapses.
The flux linking between coils, links them, appearing as a single field when if fact it is switched.
The first clue should have been the term AC or alternating current. Logically a field cannot truly rotate when it ceases to exist in between an alternation/reversal.
The field expands(N) then contracts to zero then expands in an opposite polarity(S) then contracts to zero and repeats this cycle.
So we should be clear this expansion/contraction/flux linking may appear to be a rotation just as blinking christmas lights appear to move in a linear fashion however it is not a true field rotation... it's an illusion.
In my opinion it is these kinds of false beliefs,ie. field rotation, which hinders a persons ability to learn.
It's simply not true and cannot be justified with any real facts or justification.
Regards
AC
Hi AC,
I disagree with you. But then we all can see things differently. Perhaps you missed it, but a few posts back I linked to the mathematical proof of the RMF. I'll see if I can find that and edit the link into this post for you.
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html
But in short, it is the vector sum of the three H values from the three phase currents in the space and time of interest that results in an actual traveling flux wave or field.
I read with interest discussion between smudge and F6 about the deep nature of magnetism. I'm not prepared to go there. But I think that if it is possible that a magnetic field can "move", then 3-phase current applied to the stator winding can cause such movement.
bi
A simple paragraph from a physics textbook (on the attached slide).
and another one of the teaching materials for students:
QuoteThe magnetic field of the stator, superimposed on the magnetic field of the rotor, can both weaken and strengthen it. The influence of the stator magnetic field on the rotor magnetic field is called the armature reaction. The armature response is different for different loads. In the case of an active load, the total magnetic flux of the generator increases slightly, and the generator EMF increases. In the case of an inductive load, the total magnetic flux of the generator is reduced.
Definitely two different fields magnetic fields of the rotor and stator in the generator..
Science calculates the dynamics of this field,
https://www.yourelectricalguide.com/2017/07/rotating-magnetic-field-in-three-phase-induction-motor.html
if an asynchronous motor can create induction in a rotor cage, why is it not possible, in a static iron instead of a rotor, with a generator winding?
Logic must be logical.
Quote from: onepower on May 26, 2022, 09:28:42 PM
The popular story of a rotating magnetic field is similar. It's not a real field rotation because a magnetic field cannot rotate.
In fact, it's a progressively switched(Sine Wave) field which uses flux linkage to emulate a field rotation.
As one magnetic field/coil forward expands another magnetic field/coil behind collapses.
The flux linking between coils, links them, appearing as a single field when if fact it is switched.
The way you put it sounds convincing...if it did not have some errors, technical, though...
First, yes, in alternating currents, yes, whether 1, 2, 3 phase it works exactly as you have written above...
But what Pierre Cotnoir was showing, what I have been showing, and what Holcomb is based on...is a totally different concept.
It is NOT just about turning "
One Field/Coil" forward and collapse another "
One Field/Coil" behind...Sorry, but it is not.
It is about a whole Field RESOLUTION, which is based on AS MANY COILS AS possible in the Configuration, which generates ONE SINGLE FIELD, generated by many coils in SERIES and PARALLEL. As a MAJORITY of Coils are ON during the Operation, and only a MINORITY of Coils keeps alternating on both sides of the main Field Polarities (Only Two, North-South).Now, the fact that "A MAJORITY OF COILS" are ALWAYS ON during the whole switching process, that keeps "alive" a Main Field configured by all other coils.And so, YES, that main Field actually "rotates" as a whole, not like Christmas lights do...that "applies" when comparing to AC Currents, which "flashes" ALL coils in a sequential way.Can You Guys see the difference between both ways?
And so, Typical Alternated Current CAN NOT DO THAT, no matter if it is 1,2,3 Phase type.
As a matter of fact, you have helped me to use your explanation as how AC does it...thanks!
Ufopolitics
I totally agree with Ufopolitics.
And that Main Field saturates the core so it behaves like a saturable reactor.
The impedance decreases.
https://ia800202.us.archive.org/7/items/MagneticAmplifiers/MagneticAmplifiers_text.pdf (https://ia800202.us.archive.org/7/items/MagneticAmplifiers/MagneticAmplifiers_text.pdf)
Friends, with the advent of magnetic induction, magnetic permeability actually disappears, this indicates only one thing, that there is a magnetic field. Ufopolitika correctly says, an independent magnetic field. This field is present in any synchronous generator. What you are trying to explain is related to the asynchronous generator
But, appreciate my creativity of thinking. Sorry for offtopic.
Trying to find my scheme on a free energy forum that has nothing to do with my commercial affairs.
Because no one in this world hears anyone, and does not help.
But Jesus Christ said, seek and you will find, ask and it will be given to you.
rakarskiy i don't understand what you talkin about .
Till you show me something real and working I stick to Holcomb.
Quote from: Feb2006 on May 27, 2022, 04:03:29 PM
rakarskiy i don't understand what you talkin about .
Till you show me something real and working I stick to Holcomb.
The question is, how are you going to stick with Holcomb if you don't understand how a traditional synchronous generator works? I just sort out how the generator works, where it comes from. By the way, the stator field is calculated in all design bureaus. Magnetomotive force from phase wires. It is she who excites our desired miraculous field.
Rakarskiy still describing TRADITONAL generators and transformers and thinking they are overunity
nothing new there.
What ufopoitics describing is new and game changing.
Rakarskiy
QuoteThe question is, how are you going to stick with Holcomb if you don't understand how a traditional synchronous generator works? I just sort out how the generator works, where it comes from. By the way, the stator field is calculated in all design bureaus. Magnetomotive force from phase wires. It is she who excites our desired miraculous field.
It's problematic because while the switched coil/core rotor may act like a synchronous motor/generator and the inner multi pole switched coil stator may or may not this has little to do with the mechanism for gain. Holcomb states all that were presently debating is simply a precursor to something happening in the cores ie. extra electron spin alignment of the domains.
Has anyone actually built or tested anything?. Over a decade ago I was designing, building and testing my own AC motors and generators, synchronous, modified PWM H bridge, VFD, synchronous PM rotors, shaded pole, switched shaded pole, grid tied and island mode with static and variable capacitance phase correction. Been there done that first hand on my bench which is how I know many here are talking nonsense.
The fact is none of the stuff I have done in the past mentioned above gets anyone even remotely close to where Holcomb supposedly is today. Everyone and there dog has been down this road for the last 100 years and those skilled in the art understand it's a dead horse. As Nikola Tesla's best friend Mark Twain once remarked..."It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
Ergo, something has been missed, something fundamental to the process most overlooked was discovered by many of these FE inventors through countless hours of hands on experiments. Do you know how to succeed at FE?, I have done it many times, to actually discover something new we have to follow this procedure...
1)Think we know more than everyone else who came before us which is bs but build stuff to try to prove our claim anyways.
2)Fail miserably at every turn proving we know nothing but keep trying.
3)In time we may screw up and do something new by sheer accident which may lead to a new discovery.
4)Here we need the intelligence to understand we did screw up and something we didn't expect just happened.
5)If we can determine what happened then we can claim we knew it all along even if we had no idea how we actually did it.
6)Congratulations... your a FE inventor.
Regards
AC
Holcomb is building and testing working prototypes, Rakarskiy has nothing to show.
Still he is claiming his concept superior to Holcomb.
Rakarskiy 2000% vs Holcomb 750%.
Holcomb 1 Rakarskiy 0.
In my video slides show the ratio of excitation power to the output power of a car alternator. The second slide, the assumption if you do the switching of electromagnets. This is an analysis, just of the Holcomb or patent system where the commutation is through Brushes and a collector. My project has not yet reached the goal, but I'm working on it.
It seems that someone wants to nullify the disclosure of the principle of a solid-state generator system, with field rotation. Do not worry, I will make every effort, I have not yet told everything that has opened. A dynamically supported field appears in the system, it is rotated by a rotor, and not the rotating field itself, as they say in textbooks.
I will say more, this field induces itself, according to the principle, pass it on to another. Excitation is needed only for connection and rotation. Here with a twist and how to disassemble it, many, not only at a dead end, in complete prostration
A little hint, if you do not know how a classic synchronous generator works, with the winding laid in the core groove, you will never understand how the Holcomb Power System works.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 28, 2022, 01:09:32 AM
My project has not yet reached the goal, but I'm working on it.
Hope you get there, but still
Holcomb 1 Rakarskiy 0.[/size]
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Hope you get there, but still Holcomb 1 Rakarskiy 0.
Quote from: Feb2006 on May 28, 2022, 02:24:26 AM
Hope you get there, but still Holcomb 1 Rakarskiy 0.
The first was Figuera in 1902 (Just because the rights and the demonstration unit are redeemed for 60 million pesetas (320 kg in gold equivalent).
Holcomb is not the first, trust me! Just look at the dates of the patents, solid state generators in fact.
About my rating:
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." Eleanor Roosevelt
Rakarskiy, help me rotation "крутилки Слободяна"
I am understanding,that it is just toy.
It gives no practice use.
But Holcomb's device is too hard to make for a loner.
And this will be the start.
Quote from: kolbacict on May 28, 2022, 05:13:24 AM
Rakarskiy, help me rotation "крутилки Слободяна"
I am understanding,that it is just toy.
It gives no practice use.
But Holcomb's device is too hard to make for a loner.
And this will be the start.
I no longer consider Andrey's devices, after his death, I made such a rule for myself. But I can say that they are no less complicated than the calculation of electronic control by turning the field in a solid-state rotor. The apparent simplicity is self-deception. It is more difficult to make a simple device. Moreover, Andrey himself said that his "twist" works on a barely manifested effect.
Holcomb is difficult in control (electronics and a program with power keys), and the generator circuit is calculated according to the rules for a synchronous generator.
The systems of Robert Holcomb or Park Jae-sung are the same synchronous generators that we know. The excitation system of the rotating field in the stator has been changed to the algorithm for switching electromagnets, according to the armature timing.
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 28, 2022, 05:36:21 AM
I no longer consider Andrey's devices, after his death, I made such a rule for myself. But I can say that they are no less complicated than the calculation of electronic control by turning the field in a solid-state rotor. The apparent simplicity is self-deception. It is more difficult to make a simple device. Moreover, Andrey himself said that his "twist" works on a barely manifested effect.
Holcomb is difficult in control (electronics and a program with power keys), and the generator circuit is calculated according to the rules for a synchronous generator.
The systems of Robert Holcomb or Park Jae-sung are the same synchronous generators that we know. The excitation system of the rotating field in the stator has been changed to the algorithm for switching electromagnets, according to the armature timing.
AMEN!
Quote from: rakarskiy on May 28, 2022, 05:36:21 AM
But I can say that they are no less complicated than the calculation of electronic control by turning the field in a solid-state rotor.
Well, looking by the video clip, you can't say that there is something complicated.
If this device rotates itself, you can move on from it.
But I'm trying to do it while there are no thoughts.
But you have explanation videos.
But I not achieve sucsess still.
A Brief summary...
We need to work more on our Developing and Research "Techniques"...As "enhancing" our "Powers of Deeper Analysis"...please, let me explain...
Yes, over the years we have being observing, reading, finding certain "anomalies" related to FE, and we have ignore them...or simply say "it was faked"..."a hoax"...
A very simple way to keep with the same B.S of Classic Sciences which have NOT delivered FE...and never will, unless We, as researchers, developers in the Private Sector...do it ourselves...
First thing that Clemente Figuera wrote, after succeding with his Patents back in 1908 was..."
I never could have imagined it was so simple!!..."
Then Buforn tried to add "improvements" to Figuera Patent which was already working...and He screwed it off...
And yes, there has been "something" we all have been missing...to go deeper into it, to study more and more..Magnetism, period!!
I mean, up to now, Science still have the ridiculous and rough, "Iron shavings" as the only way to "visualize" a magnetic field...come on, please!!
After we all have Ferrofluids developed way back in time...after we all have Magnetic Viewing Film, after we have the Ferrocell developed and patented by Tim Vanderelli, Books like Ken Wheeler "Uncovering the mysteries of Magnetism", awakening our ways to comprehend further on that beautiful Spectrum...
But we still invoke a few iron particles freely loose to "officially" understand how Magnetic Fields look like...Pathetic!!
Quote from: Feb2006 on May 27, 2022, 06:13:19 PM
What ufopoitics describing is new and game changing.
Thanks, Yes, this would be "game changing",definitively...beyond what ALL of You could ever imagine...beyond your wildest dreams...I started playing with this tech a very long time ago...but, at that time, I was constrained (and may confess, also very stubborn) by the use of "Asymmetric Fields", and kept working for thousands of hours on the same, and only observing just a few "anomalies"...but nothing "galore"...so, I end up abandoning it...
Until I saw Pierre Cotnoir development, read his posts...and finally realized where my MAIN ERROR WAS...The "Secret"...which is already out and spreading...
Then I finally understood almost everything, not only what I was doing wrong...but also allow me to understand all previous FE Technologies shown before...like Steven Marks TPU...like Don Smith's developments...like Kapanadze...etc,etc
Not collapsing the Main Field...but harvesting it, feeding it, while mutating only minimal small chunks to stimulate a movement...a Rotation.Now, How successful and How far could you get??...equals how good You put it together...depends entirely on your building skills, the tools you own...and the effort you decide to waste on it...
However, I disagree that this Technology is...New?...sorry, but I do not think so:That many "knew" way back about this tech but hid it, seize it?...Yes, definitively!!
Why?...
First, because it will reveal how wrong our Science have been for hundreds of years...when it could have been built such easily...effortlessly...and demonstrating that it could be done very long ago...The COP>1, Overunity, Motion Perpetual, etc,etc...
Second,
and that I consider even more powerful...is that this technologies will also bring Us Antigravity...and time will tell...by simply altering in a certain way the molecules of steel and other alloys in a way never done before, counterways alignments of high speed traveling magnetic fields rotations...will eventually render a very light material, which will levitate...defying our "Gravitational Laws" plus breaking all the "specific weights tables for each material"...
Third and final (main reason for banning it)...By learning to "manipulate" the Magnetic Fields this way...we could eventually build very powerful
EMP's (Electro-Magnetic Pulses) "Tools"...which could also end up in the making of powerful weapons...like the "Death Ray", developed and Patented by Tesla...way back, or as putting together a small and compact "Portable Venus Shooter"...
However, going back to our Analisys Powers...we are still "constrained"...in our way of thinking...a vivid example:
WHY in this World DO WE STILL NEED A "STATOR-ROTOR-STRUCTURE" (or simply put: a Two Part Generator) where the so called "Rotor" does NOT Rotate??!!...I mean, this is really laughable at...
¿¿ A "Stationary Rotor"...??...really?
I mean, seriously...Why do we still need a "Rotor" whole structure and configuration, surrounded by a "Stator" which does not rotate?...(thinking)... ;D
And so...why do we need a "Shaft" for a "Rotor" that does not rotate...lol??!!
Bad concepts of "definition" applied above...which keep Us within the same loop, circling over and over...and part of that loop eventually keeps Us going back to the "successful apparatuses" which generates electricity by physically rotating a rotor (doh!!)...when ACTUALLY, there is absolutely no relation between the two systems whatsoever...
Why keep constraining to a completely useless "Rotor with Shaft" within a "Stator" structure?...when we all could move to a
Full Static All New Configuration, which grants way more room and "comfort" to all windings and cores we will build in a near future?
I mean, do not take me wrong, I see it as a way to "start" a development with "things" that we all have "on hand"...however, start thinking about getting rid of all these no longer required structures, in order to give more room to more efficient and better engineered developments ...for God's sake!!
All above sounds a bit too crazy, right?...
Or maybe "too ahead of these times"...
Yes, indeed, so, do not take me "too seriously"...lol
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics, good revelation!
Only the Holcomb Energy System, bears no resemblance to the Figuer solid-state design.
Figuera is an impulse system, just like in this patent https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf
I agree with you, the system will close these effective, simple technologies. They will change the energy as such.
Sincerely.
https://youtu.be/mWLacgnA-ps?t=132 (https://youtu.be/mWLacgnA-ps?t=132)
for these for whom it applies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MMGZSi60Q
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MMGZSi60Q)https://youtu.be/ELRTVTfOjis?t=68
(https://youtu.be/ELRTVTfOjis?t=68)and this link from below is just for fun only
https://youtu.be/K_N_h_mKf-4?t=705
Wesley
Happened across an excellent tutorial on RMF, Rotating Magnetic Field.
https://youtu.be/YYQayMrK4Fo
bi
Hello,
I am quoting here Lunkster's post, which "was" (now deleted) on my Building Thread...responding to my previous one here...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Lunkster on May 28, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
Hi
I like what you just said about what things could look like in the future with free energy!
They are similar to what most FE researchers are striving for.
I also see the new designs looking a lot different from the current ones.
In order to get more people interested in this new technology, replications
need to be generated and verified by third parties.
Also the amplification of electrical energy using industrial steel
needs to be demonstrated in its very basic simplest form.
What I mean in its simplest form is like when the function of
one of the following devices are explained; FET, Transistor, or photo cell.
After this happens, then many people will jump on board and will be
working on the bench with ways to improve and implement
this technology.
I am glad to see all the work that is currently being poured
into investigating this technology and we need a lot more people doing it.
After you get the full operating FE systems running we
will all be excited to see it in operation.
So thank you again for all the hours that is being worked on it to
bring this technology to the world!
Lunkster
P.S.
It would be nice if someone would start a thread with replicated FE
devices that have already completed third party verification on them.
Quote from: bistander on May 30, 2022, 03:02:09 PM
Happened across an excellent tutorial on RMF, Rotating Magnetic Field.
https://youtu.be/YYQayMrK4Fo (https://youtu.be/YYQayMrK4Fo)
bi
Thanks Bistander,
Indeed it is a great Tutorial!!...excellent animated graphics!!
So, I am guessing that now you do could establish
the difference between what I have explained prior, versus these
Three Field Phases set at different Angles?
Thks again, I really enjoyed the video!!
Regards
Ufopolitics
Some more information!
A very good video about the magnetic holder (from a guy from the city of Kharkov, Ukraine), or rather about what kind of field appears in an iron core when a wire is pulled through it with current.
A good and clear example of where the own field in the stator comes from when the phase is under load.
Sincerely, Rakarskiy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J912WdC7Od4&t=1692s
(video language russian)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on May 31, 2022, 01:45:33 PM
Thanks Bistander,
Indeed it is a great Tutorial!!...excellent animated graphics!!
So, I am guessing that now you do could establish the difference between what I have explained prior, versus these Three Field Phases set at different Angles?
Thks again, I really enjoyed the video!!
Regards
Ufopolitics
No, I don't know what you're talking about. Look again at this:
http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/spacevecmovie.html
We're talking about the magnetic flux density field B vector represented by the black arrow traveling around in circular motion (rotating) with constant magnitude. As you call them "Three Field Phases", I guess, or the phase currents or H vectors are represented by the blue, green and red arrows that change in magnitude but are at constant angles, meaning they pulsate and don't rotate. So it is this black vector, not the other three, that is the sum or resultant that compares to the rotating magnetic flux field of the wound rotating member which you strive to replace.
You could not distinguish any difference between the resultant field produced from balanced 3-phase stator winding as demonstrated in the video and a RMF from a wound rotor or PM rotating. The flux or magnetic field or main field has no signature or feature from the number or angle of phases. This can be clearly seen in the mathematical proof to which I linked.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 31, 2022, 10:24:39 PM
No, I don't know what you're talking about. Look again at this:
http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/spacevecmovie.html (http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/spacevecmovie.html)
We're talking about the magnetic flux density field B vector represented by the black arrow traveling around in circular motion (rotating) with constant magnitude. As you call them "Three Field Phases", I guess, or the phase currents or H vectors are represented by the blue, green and red arrows that change in magnitude but are at constant angles, meaning they pulsate and don't rotate. So it is this black vector, not the other three, that is the sum or resultant that compares to the rotating magnetic flux field of the wound rotating member which you strive to replace.
OMG Bistander...for God's sake man!!
You keep repeating the
resultant vector (B Field)...or the "
magnetic flux density field"...
Flux=Flow...there is nothing "technical" about the word "flux"...it means "flow" or the emanation that a magnetic field, or several fields produces, generates...and it varies, depends upon many factors...we could vary that flow/flux according to field input...attenuate it or increase it...collapse it or maintain it constant.
Point is, flux is NOT a Field...it is the resultant "product" generated by the field.
In the case of the
3 phase, there are 3 Fields which generate
3 different flow/flux...but due to the space time situation, it's 3 flux coincides into a single flow. However, independently,
each field dies/collapses, at certain timing, no matter if the next incoming field will "take over" the flux supply...and that is the difference!!
I was also collapsing the fields before, and there were not just three fields, but many, many more...and, as a matter of fact, due to the brush-element contacts, there were always a way to keep previous field "a bit alive" before full development of next one...however, it did not do the effect we are seeing here...and that you will also see very soon...
These Systems do not like "bumps" in their "resolution" over time, meaning, fields coming down, while another one rising...
In that graphic it looks so fine...referring to that resultant B Field, which looks very steady, and smoothly moving...but in reality it ain't doing so!!...there are "bumps" every time each field start going down, to then rise when the next is coming up...
And You know that perfectly well!!It is similar to the "direct currents" obtained by a 4 bridge rectifier from AC...is it really a straight, smooth line without any interruptions?
NO IT IS NOT!!...it is a "bumpy" up-down curves...diodes just "cut" the down side of sinewaves, leaving the upper positive curves...not a straight line.
Quote from: bistander on May 31, 2022, 10:24:39 PMYou could not distinguish any difference between the resultant field produced from balanced 3-phase stator winding as demonstrated in the video and a RMF from a wound rotor or PM rotating. The flux or magnetic field or main field has no signature or feature from the number or angle of phases. This can be clearly seen in the mathematical proof to which I linked.
bi
Of course I can see it very clearly, and it is the complete opposite of what we are looking for...this is just a three field setup, trying to unify into one, the spread angle is 120° between the three, which makes it a VERY LOW BELOW, DOWN, RESOLUTION FIELD.
And even in a Four Pole setup, it is still 90° angle diff, which is still huge.
In the arrangement I have, which is 8 pairs of coils, totaling 16 coils IS STILL a VERY LOW RESOLUTION FIELD, and we are talking 22.5°...even though it is being fed by real DC, not bumpy curves...However, the difference is that I am not collapsing the MAIN FIELD at any time.
It is either "you can not see" or "you do not want to see"...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 01, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
... the difference is that I am not collapsing the MAIN FIELD at any time.
...
Then there is NO difference. The RMF resulting from balanced 3-phase currents applied to the stator windings does NOT collapse the MAIN FIELD at any time.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 01, 2022, 11:10:28 AM
Then there is NO difference. The RMF resulting from balanced 3-phase currents applied to the stator windings does NOT collapse the MAIN FIELD at any time.
bi
Bistander,
Collapsing of the Field is just one requirement...
The main requirement is having -at least- a decent field resolution...and 3 Fields/Phase would never do that.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 01, 2022, 02:07:06 PM
Bistander,
Collapsing of the Field is just one requirement...
The main requirement is having -at least- a decent field resolution...and 3 Fields/Phase would never do that.
Ufopolitics
It has a defined magnitude and direction at all points. That is perfect resolution. And it is one field, not three.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 01, 2022, 02:37:29 PM
It has a defined magnitude and direction at all points. That is perfect resolution. And it is one field, not three.
bi
Can you distinguish between a Parallel and a Series Circuit?
Can you distinguish between a FET and a typical Transistor?
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 01, 2022, 02:45:27 PM
Can you distinguish between a Parallel and a Series Circuit?
Can you distinguish between a FET and a typical Transistor?
Ufo,
Sure, I can.
Here is link for RMF using animation which shows, and the explanation states, the case that I support.
https://engineeringtutorial.com/squirrel-cage-induction-motor-animation/amp/
"Three-phase sinusoidal balanced excitation in 3 stator phases produces a sinusoidally distributed field rotating at the excitation frequency ωs. This field can be viewed as being created by a single equivalent sinusoidal winding which is excited with dc current and which is also rotating."
bi
bistander, for general perception, yes! can be compared with a constant field.
Quotehttps://engineeringtutorial.com/squirrel-cage-induction-motor-animation/amp/
A DC voltage regulator can also be considered a direct current, but having fallen deep, we will see that these are pulses at a certain frequency.
The stator field in the generator is a complex process of excitations and displacements, which for the picture can also be taken as a constant field that rotates.
We need a variable field at a specific point in the stator.
Quote from: bistander on June 01, 2022, 03:20:10 PM
Ufo,
Sure, I can.
Here is link for RMF using animation which shows, and the explanation states, the case that I support.
https://engineeringtutorial.com/squirrel-cage-induction-motor-animation/amp/ (https://engineeringtutorial.com/squirrel-cage-induction-motor-animation/amp/)
"Three-phase sinusoidal balanced excitation in 3 stator phases produces a sinusoidally distributed field rotating at the excitation frequency ωs. This field can be viewed as being created by a single equivalent sinusoidal winding which is excited with dc current and which is also rotating."
bi
Bi,
Just let it go. It is not going to convince Holcomb believers.
They want to get rotation of magnetic poles in a very complicated way with switching multiple number of single coils? Ok, let them do.
Effect will be the same.
Sometimes people do like to overcomplicate things.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 02, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Bi,
Just let it go. It is not going to convince Holcomb believers.
They want to get rotation of magnetic poles in a very complicated way with switching multiple number of single coils? Ok, let them do.
Effect will be the same.
Sometimes people do like to overcomplicate things.
Cheers,
Pix
So, let it be...and the "known" question then comes up...right?
Then why (juay-southern accent) don't we have overunity in any three phase motor or generator?...or even in a three phase transformer?
It's all so we fall in a looping vicious circle...it is same thang, 3phase is also a rotating field...so, it "should work", but it ain't...
And then the "final conclusion" (from the Skeptics, of course)...
"It don't work...overunity, not possible...bla,bla,bla...
So, Figuera was B.S., Pierre Cotnoir was a hoax...and Holcomb is a Scam just to get Investors...
How boring...really...
plus I really wonder what the F...K are all of these skeptics doing in a place called OVERUNITY.COM?
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 02, 2022, 09:49:38 AM
....
plus I really wonder what the F...K are all of these skeptics doing in a place called OVERUNITY.COM?
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I can't speak for all skeptics, but for me:
To challenge falsehoods presented as fact.
To help (share knowledge and experience with) those (mostly younger) enthusiastically pursuing FE.
To learn.
And if a legitimate approach is identified, to replicate. 50 years looking and haven't seen it yet.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 02, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
Ufo,
I can't speak for all skeptics, but for me:
Great!!
You just "self classify" yourself as an skeptic...
Not that I did not know that you are, because of the years (in the making) that I know you...but it is good here for all others to know...
Quote from: bistander on June 02, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
To challenge falsehoods presented as fact.
Negative, you are here basically to post your denials about anything that even shows a couple of volts or milliamps of overunity...that is "your last name"...bistander denial.
Your first response about Pierre Cotnoir...was that it is a hoax...and in one of your comments about his supercaps (believe it was in EF, not here) someone have to correct you, because you had voltages wrong of each Supercap, and so total bank voltage you "calculated" was wrong (2.7V ea)...
Your first opinion about Holcomb was to set "the doubts" about the test that verified his development...and then some more, and more...
And so I could write a book about all your critics...and denials.
Right now, you keep insisting that AC 3 phase generates a "rotating field"...same as the one I have shown...or Cotnoir...
Maybe no one will notice what is "behind" your apparently naïve counseling and opinion related to this...
But I do, I am very clear where are you coming from...and where you are going to...
It will "prove" to you (and all others backing you up)(the minute that everyone agrees it is the same thing) that it don't work as we claim...as Holcomb works, as Pierre Cotnoir presented on 3-4 videos, radical proof of his device working...and as I have and WILL DO...
So, good, you think killing 3 birds with just one bullet...really?
Quote from: bistander on June 02, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
To help (share knowledge and experience with) those (mostly younger) enthusiastically pursuing FE.
TO HELP??!!
Please, give me a FUC...ING Brake!!
Yeah, to make sure all young people "enthusiasts" about FE...end up forgetting totally about it...
plus to keep forming "future soldiers" against anyone who claims O.U...
That is your job...as you are getting too old and need to prepare new generations...an Army...
Quote from: bistander on June 02, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
To learn.
Learn what??!!
Learn better techniques to combat Free Energy?
In all years I know you...I have never. ever seen any models built by you, any "replications attempt" not even a single one...to prove "falsehoods" as you say...
So, you do it very comfortably...seating down and posting all searches online to deny...to argue.
Quote from: bistander on June 02, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
And if a legitimate approach is identified, to replicate. 50 years looking and haven't seen it yet.
bi
That's B.S....But Oh well, then get ready...because I will show you not just "one"...but a few different "legitimate approaches"...
Then I wanna see your response(s)...as your approach...would it be "legitimate"?
You will be very busy, searching online for all kind of anomalies...
Ufopolitics
Hola a todos.
No sé si entendí bien el concepto, pero creo que lo que hace el sistema Holcomb, no lo hace un sistema trifásico convencional, ya que si bien es cierto que el sistema trifásico, crea un campo rotatorio bien difinido, no produce "ARRASTRE" de electrones en las bobinas inducidas, ya que va cambiando de fase a cada paso, Holcomb avanza paso a paso, pero llevando energizadas en todo momento al menos cuatro bobinas con el mismo polo magnético, por lo que a mi entender si que produce arrastre, que eso sea el motivo de la sobreunidad ya no lo tengo tan claro.
Saludos
Hello everyone.
I do not know if I understood the concept well, but I think what the Holcomb system does, does not do a conventional three -phase system, since it is true that the three -phase system, creates a well -diffused rotary field, does not produce "drag" Electrons in the induced coils, since it is changing from phase to each step, Holcomo progresses step by step, but carrying at all times at least four coils with the same magnetic pole, so that in my opinion if it produces drag, which, which That is the reason for the envelope I am no longer so clear.
Cheers
Hi Ufo,
Do you frequent OUR.com? Some very good threads, posts and members over there. Recently member F6FLT posted a reply to a newbie which I would like to share.
"Of course we can laugh when this well-known and completely conventional banality is brandished as a discovery.
Unless you think you're smarter than everyone else, which is unfortunately common because of the Dunning-Kruger effect, tell yourself that if you have a simple brilliant idea in a hackneyed field like electromagnetism, hundreds of thousands of others have had it before you in the past, that the idea is just the result of your own ignorance of the field, and that if it's simple, it's not brilliant at all but wrong. So if you really believe in it, at least make the effort to study and experiment first, rather than bothering us with useless childishness.
So Ufo, carry on. I'll be standing by waiting for proof, or at least convincing evidence.
bi
The U.S. Patent Office received strong evidence for the examination of Dr. Robert Holcomb's patent and, as I understand it, Park Jae-sung's patent US8629588B2
or conducting an examination means nothing, and skeptics continue to argue that this is impossible.
Hello! Thanks to all of you who give your time to participate on this thread, which I follow closely. I have carefully studied Holcomb Energy System's website, all their videos and the pertinent patent. There is a mystery perhaps someone here can solve.
For those who have studied the patent and videos, you have noticed a significant discrepancy between the "rotor" geometry and winding pattern in the patent and in the videos. Attached are two drawings from the patent showing similar winding patterns and two pictures from the videos of their present rotors, which do not conform to the patent.
The patent drawings show narrow salient poles with coils wrapped around each individual pole. Yet the "rotor" windings in the videos span multiple rotor teeth and, as can be seen in the top view, the salient poles resemble typical rotor teeth rather than long, thin salient poles. Coils are clearly not wound around each individual salient pole. The bottom view is particularly mysterious in that it suggests a winding pattern that repeats every 3 teeth.
The patent describes sequential DC switching of individually wound coils to create the rotating magnetic fields. If HES is using DC switching with the present windings, they are not switching individual salient poles as described in the patent.
Can anyone deduce a winding and switching pattern that conforms to the pictures of the current rotor, particularly including the bottom view with 3-tooth repeats? Thanks for your help.
Pictures referenced in previous comment did not attach. Here they all are.
Solarlab your timing sequence does not add up ,
"North pole 58(1) and South pole 57(1) are simultaneously excited with DC current;
1.043 milliseconds later North pole 58(2) and South pole 57(2) are excited;
1.043 milliseconds later North pole 58(3)and South pole 57(3) are excited; and then
1.043 milliseconds later, North pole 58(4)and South pole 57(4) are excited.
Then 1.043 milliseconds later, the cycle begins all over again.
1,043 + 1,043 + 1.043 + 1.043 = 4.172
Don't understand where you get 4ms off from?
I think period is for each pole and cycle is for all poles.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 01, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
...
You keep repeating the resultant vector (B Field)...or the "magnetic flux density field"...
Flux=Flow...there is nothing "technical" about the word "flux"...it means "flow" or the emanation that a magnetic field, or several fields produces, generates...and it varies, depends upon many factors...we could vary that flow/flux according to field input...attenuate it or increase it...collapse it or maintain it constant.
Point is, flux is NOT a Field...it is the resultant "product" generated by the field.
...
Hi Ufo,
As one of my reasons to be here is to challenge falsehoods, I will pick on this one. I know we discussed this before; how magnetic flux doesn't flow, but you insist it does and so state. Anyone can study magnetic fundamentals and learn the truth. I'll post an example below.
A quote from:
https://tinyurl.com/2n2j9fm9
"However, magnetic flux does not actually flow from the north to the south pole or flow anywhere for that matter as magnetic flux is a static region around a magnet in which the magnetic force exists. In other words magnetic flux does not flow or move it is just there and is not influenced by gravity. "
And this region is considered a field. A magnetic flux field.
bi
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 02, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
Pictures referenced in previous comment did not attach. Here they all are.
There is nothing unusual about the design of the Holcomb generator. It has two solid-state rotors, external and internal, and between them a stator with generator windings. It actually has two generators in one.
Study my posts, you can simply collect them separately and find all the answers.
Holcomb models the operation of a four-pole rotor, the rotor can be either internal or external.
Why switching, it creates in the stator the effect of constant magnetic intensity along the poles that move
There is another patent by inventor Park Jae-sung that "skeptics of the system" are ignoring
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
this is the same thing, only the switching of electromagnets is different, on the contrary with a collector motor.
Rikarskiy - Thank you for your comment. I have studied your posts, as well as all others on this thread and on UFOPolitics' excellent build thread. If the answers were there I would not have wasted anyone's time with my post. I fully understand the principles of this device and have studied the patent in detail. Please do not equate my being a Newbie on this forum with a lack of understanding or my ability as a builder.
The pictures of the windings on the "rotor" being used in Holcomb's present device do not at all correspond with the windings in the patents or the windings you just posted pictures of.
Please pay particular attention to the picture of the bottom of the rotor again attached. The windings span multiple teeth with the wires to the outside spaced every 3 teeth on what looks like a 36 tooth rotor. It appears he has inserted spacers in the center of each tooth to fix an air gap distance. We should discern what kind of wiring and switching pattern corresponds to that picture if we wish to fully understand how Holcomb is presently creating his rotating magnetic field.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 03, 2022, 05:53:56 AM
Rikarskiy - Thank you for your comment. I have studied your posts, as well as all others on this thread and on UFOPolitics' excellent build thread. If the answers were there I would not have wasted anyone's time with my post. I fully understand the principles of this device and have studied the patent in detail. Please do not equate my being a Newbie on this forum with a lack of understanding or my ability as a builder.
The pictures of the windings on the "rotor" being used in Holcomb's present device do not at all correspond with the windings in the patents or the windings you just posted pictures of.
Please pay particular attention to the picture of the bottom of the rotor again attached. The windings span multiple teeth with the wires to the outside spaced every 3 teeth on what looks like a 36 tooth rotor. It appears he has inserted spacers in the center of each tooth to fix an air gap distance. We should discern what kind of wiring and switching pattern corresponds to that picture if we wish to fully understand how Holcomb is presently creating his rotating magnetic field.
First, if you look at the windings, I see the generator winding laid.
Secondly, if we assume that this is really a rotor, then there is an interesting patent by Nikola Tesla, where the excitation of the pole went in a wave-like manner. As an option, this option is probably correct, to reduce the inductance parameter.
I don't care how he decided to excite the magnetic pole. The main thing is that he excites them according to a special algorithm.
The gap is important, but it should be as small as possible.
In the attached photo, everything is beautifully visible, something that is in the patent is in reality.
Sincerely!
Rakarskiy, What is the source of the photo please?
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 03, 2022, 07:38:27 AM
Rakarskiy, What is the source of the photo please?
I do not remember the source, but this is a screenshot from the screen of my monitor, taken on May 11, 2022 at 8:30 am. I can collect information. Possibly a frame from one of Dr. Holcomb's commercials.
Rakarskyi - Thank you for the photo. Are you sure it is a picture of the Holcomb generator? I cannot recall seeing it in any of Holcomb's videos or on their website.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 03, 2022, 07:59:06 AM
Rakarskyi - Thank you for the photo. Are you sure it is a picture of the Holcomb generator? I cannot recall seeing it in any of Holcomb's videos or on their website.
I wonder what you were looking at? photo from this thread
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg564949/#msg564949
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 01:16:53 AM
Hi Ufo,
As one of my reasons to be here is to challenge falsehoods, I will pick on this one. I know we discussed this before; how magnetic flux doesn't flow, but you insist it does and so state. Anyone can study magnetic fundamentals and learn the truth. I'll post an example below.
A quote from:
https://tinyurl.com/2n2j9fm9 (https://tinyurl.com/2n2j9fm9)
"However, magnetic flux does not actually flow from the north to the south pole or flow anywhere for that matter as magnetic flux is a static region around a magnet in which the magnetic force exists. In other words magnetic flux does not flow or move it is just there and is not influenced by gravity. "
And this region is considered a field. A magnetic flux field.
bi
Bistander,
Here is your problem...you keep posting the same old stuff, the old school B.S which even keep contradicting itself...here is an example, and written one paragraph after the other...unvbelievable that people still believe all this nonsense!!
Quote
1-The general direction for the magnetic flux flow is from the North (N) to the South (S)pole.
In addition, these magnetic lines form closed loops that leave at the north pole of the magnet and enter at the south pole. Magnetic poles are always in pairs.
2-However, magnetic flux does not actually flow from the north to the south pole or flow anywhere for that matter as magnetic flux is a static region around a magnet in which the magnetic force exists. In other words magnetic flux does not flow or move it is just there and is not influenced by gravity. Some important facts emerge when plotting lines of force.
Just by reading both paragraphs above, We can easily identify all
CONTRADICTING INFORMATION!!1- First: "Magnetic Flux flow is from North to South"2- Second: "Magnetic Flux does not actually flow"...¿?Btw, can you, Bistander, cite just one single Experiment done through our entire history...which shows that the "Magnetic Flux Flow" takes place from North to South??!!
This is exactly what you claim you are against...FALSEHOODS, MISLEADING INFO...but then, you post it yourself...?
So, "
Magnetic Flux is a STATIC region around a Magnet"
?? ??? !!Magnetic Flux CAN NOT be more DYNAMIC, MORE FLEXIBLE AND LESS STATIC than it ACTUALLY IS!!And this properties are very easily demonstrated by holding just a couple of magnets and observe, feel their interactions at LARGE!!ANYONE (Don't need a degree or a PHD in Sciences) can throw out all these FALSE theories in a matter of seconds!!Magnetic Fields actually JUMPS, ENLARGES, MUTATES PARTIALLY from the Field Source itself to any INERT ferromagnetic material set in a close gap, close range to it...seen very clearly with Viewing Film!!Static?...my A$$
Rakarskyi - Thank you tremendously for the links and the photo! The generator in that photo does not resemble any pictures currently on their website or in their YouTube videos. I just reviewed them all. Though it does resemble the generator in their animation. They have deleted that picture of the generator from their published material. You have done everyone a great service by saving it. Clearly it contains information they would rather not have publicly disclosed.
The generator in the deleted picture has two "rotors!" There is an inner rotor, a 3-phase stator, then an outer rotor. The patent shows only an inner rotor. An outer rotor may be critical to fully understand why the device works and for builders attempting to replicate it. Having the benefit of this deleted picture, I believe the photo I previously posted and labeled bottom view of rotor is most likely a picture of a 3-phase stator before being sandwiched between two rotors.
Thank you again for saving and sharing that photo. Fabulous! Geometry and winding pattern of the entire generator is now clear.
Magnetic Flux does NOT flow!
Magnetic Flux has a attraction vector, to connect in a "ring"!
If the current is open then the current has poles! The vector is formed from the maximum "pressure" of the explosion to the minimum "pressure" of the implosion.
If the flow is closed, the poles disappear and the flow itself forms a ring! The ring is the strongest state of magnetic flux.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 03, 2022, 09:07:08 AM
Rakarskyi - Thank you tremendously for the links and the photo! The generator in that photo does not resemble any pictures currently on their website or in their YouTube videos. I just reviewed them all. Though it does resemble the generator in their animation. They have deleted that picture of the generator from their published material. You have done everyone a great service by saving it. Clearly it contains information they would rather not have publicly disclosed.
The generator in the deleted picture has two "rotors!" There is an inner rotor, a 3-phase stator, then an outer rotor. The patent shows only an inner rotor. An outer rotor may be critical to fully understand why the device works and for builders attempting to replicate it. Having the benefit of this deleted picture, I believe the photo I previously posted and labeled bottom view of rotor is most likely a picture of a 3-phase stator before being sandwiched between two rotors.
Thank you again for saving and sharing that photo. Fabulous! Geometry and winding pattern of the entire generator is now clear.
why would they hide something when the patent is in the public domain. They have Instagram and other platforms.
The problem is different, engineers who can understand and repeat units.
Sincerely
Ufo,
N & S poles are just labels to help visualize. Unimportant. What is important is the direction of the field, we call B vector.
bi
Rakarksky - As you know, the patent does not show an outer rotor. The patent application was made over 4.5 years ago on Nov 17, 2017. Improvements have undoubtedly been made in the meantime. The outer rotor is likely a significant improvement or it would not have been made. It may be the difference between a marginally effective generator and a highly effective generator.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 03, 2022, 07:24:45 AM
First, if you look at the windings, I see the generator winding laid.
Secondly, if we assume that this is really a rotor, then there is an interesting patent by Nikola Tesla, where the excitation of the pole went in a wave-like manner. As an option, this option is probably correct, to reduce the inductance parameter.
I don't care how he decided to excite the magnetic pole. The main thing is that he excites them according to a special algorithm.
The gap is important, but it should be as small as possible.
In the attached photo, everything is beautifully visible, something that is in the patent is in reality.
Sincerely!
Nothing new.
That photo has been publicized and discussed before.
Inner and outer cores have the same number of concentrated coils. That coils are pulsed in pairs to mimick "rotating magnetic field vector".
Between them, middle core is a typical electric motor stator with distributed windings. That windings intercept rotating magnetic field and induce currents.
Simple generator.
The same effect you will get with AC slip ring motor: mechanically lock the rotor and supply 3 slip rings with balanced 3 phase signal. Currents will be generated in the stator windings.
No OU there.
Cheers :) ,
Pix
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 09:23:39 AM
Ufo,
N & S poles are just labels to help visualize. Unimportant. What is important is the direction of the field, we call B vector.
bi
DEMONSTRATE IT!!Its too easy just to write and copy-paste stuff...show proof!!SHOW ANY EXPERIMENT, WHICH SHOWS THAT A "B FIELD VECTOR" EXISTS...AND IT EMERGES "ONLY" FROM "NORTH POLE"?...not from South?
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 03, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Rakarksky - As you know, the patent does not show an outer rotor. The patent application was made over 4.5 years ago on Nov 17, 2017. Improvements have undoubtedly been made in the meantime. The outer rotor is likely a significant improvement or it would not have been made. It may be the difference between a marginally effective generator and a highly effective generator.
;)
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/eb/0c/07/d463fa60c9f935/WO2021063522A1.pdf
Hello,
I have Experimented, Researched and Developed for YEARS with MAGNETISM, and it is ALL there FREE for anyone to watch...
I HAVE PROOF...OVER MANY YEARS, MANY!!
MAGNETISM PLAYLIST VIDEOS (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDK7GC_dPVji-WQ0UoQGcRuS6tjRw_JPg)
It is very difficult that anyone here could demonstrate studies related to Magnetism, like I have CONDUCTED over Years of Work!!
Not only in experiments, but also amazing GRAPHICS for People to really understand the DYNAMICS OF MAGNETISM!!
Unless you bring me here, Ken Wheeler (Uncovering Missing Secrets of Magnetism), Tim Vanderelli (FERROCELL PATENT), or Michael Snyder (Revolution Labs)
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 09:44:36 AM
DEMONSTRATE IT!!
Its too easy just to write and copy-paste stuff...show proof!!
SHOW ANY EXPERIMENT, WHICH SHOWS THAT A "B FIELD VECTOR" EXISTS...AND IT EMERGES "ONLY" FROM "NORTH POLE"?...not from South?
"EMERGES "ONLY" FROM "NORTH POLE""
What are you talking about?
Study magnetism. Here's a good start.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
Hello,
I have Experimented, Researched and Developed for YEARS with MAGNETISM, and it is ALL there FREE for anyone to watch...
I HAVE PROOF...OVER MANY YEARS, MANY!!
MAGNETISM PLAYLIST VIDEOS (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDK7GC_dPVji-WQ0UoQGcRuS6tjRw_JPg)
It is very difficult that anyone here could demonstrate studies related to Magnetism, like I have CONDUCTED over Years of Work!!
Not only in experiments, but also amazing GRAPHICS for People to really understand the DYNAMICS OF MAGNETISM!!
Unless you bring me here, Ken Wheeler (Uncovering Missing Secrets of Magnetism), Tim Vanderelli (FERROCELL PATENT), or Michael Snyder (Revolution Labs)
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Any peer reviews on these far fetched theories?
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 03, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
Magnetic Flux does NOT flow!
;D
Flux=Flow...search Flux meaning...:
FLUX: the action or process of flowing or flowing out.
"the flux of men and women moving back and forth"
"
Flux does not flow" is like saying "
water is not water"
Rakarskyi - Thank you for the link to the international patent application. Wonderful! I had only seen the US patent and application before. The US patent, which was just granted, does not include the outer rotor which is shown in the international patent you just provided the link to. Between 2017 when he filed for the US patent and 2019 when he filed for the international patent Dr. Holcomb must have made the outer rotor/sandwiched stator improvement. Since the outer rotor is in the public domain internationally it is puzzling then why pictures of it have been deleted from their materials. Regardless, thanks again for the information. Things are clear now.
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 10:05:30 AM
Any peer reviews on these far fetched theories?
Read the Book...watch the experiments...watch the Ferrocell images...Viewfilm, CRT Exposure...etc,etc...then open your mind (which is gonna be very difficult, because it is really, really closed up!!)
But you brought the theory that "B Fields "Vector" comes only from North Pole"...
Prove it!!
Search all you want online...take your time...Tic Toc...Tic Toc...
Flux doesn't flow inside a core except for the μ0 part, it polarizes the magnetic domains which create their own field, just like in an electric circuit, the electric field through a circuit is from the electrons which become polarized by the emf source.
@Beginners Mind:
A Patent is not a Building Manual...
Patents are written in the most General form that they could be done...that means "Protection", as it is recommended by all Patent Lawyers.
Holcomb have different structures shown across his Applications and Patents...
To move or Rotate a Magnetic Field there are multiple instances...many different approaches...
But only a few are successful... ;D
Regards, Welcome and so I am happy that you are already approved to post here!!
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 10:08:47 AM
;D
Flux=Flow...search Flux meaning...:
FLUX: the action or process of flowing or flowing out.
"the flux of men and women moving back and forth"
"Flux does not flow" is like saying "water is not water"
Hard to explain,
electric current or magnetic current, this is the spin "rotation" of the force field. It's just a flow, it's like a spiral, it changes with saturation (density).
It is this property that is taken as motion.
Quote from: alan on June 03, 2022, 10:16:57 AM
Flux doesn't flow inside a core except for the μ0 part
Alan,
Negative, Magnetic Field starts, emanates exactly from inside the core, the gravitational center of core, to be more specific.
Just conduct a simple experiment (like I have done)...an Air Core Coil...connected to a PSU...then run a loose magnet hold by an axis and a bar...within the hollow core...you will see the behavior of the small magnet when traveling from one pole to the other...how it "flips right at the center of the coil.
ELECTROMAGNETS DIVIDING POLES CENTER PLANE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb8vfah0c&list=PLDK7GC_dPVji-WQ0UoQGcRuS6tjRw_JPg&index=7)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 10:29:01 AM
Alan,
Negative, Magnetic Field starts, emanates exactly from inside the core, the gravitational center of core, to be more specific.
Just conduct a simple experiment (like I have done)...an Air Core Coil...connected to a PSU...then run a loose magnet hold by an axis and a bar...within the hollow core...you will see the behavior of the small magnet when traveling from one pole to the other...how it "flips right at the center of the coil.
ELECTROMAGNETS DIVIDING POLES CENTER PLANE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb8vfah0c&list=PLDK7GC_dPVji-WQ0UoQGcRuS6tjRw_JPg&index=7)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Interesting demo!
In the first demo I don't think it flips, but each pole keeps facing the opposite pole of the coil.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 10:13:40 AM
But you brought the theory that "B Fields "Vector" comes only from North Pole"
You're making stuff up. I never said that or implied it.
And I've read Ken's book. It's absurd. We've been thru all this years ago on EF. Nothing's changed. Fact is fact and your theories are wrong. I support scientific knowledge which has proofs. Every experiment and experience I've done or witnessed supports this.
bi
To Ufo and all,
"It is difficult to give a simple definition of magnetic or electromagnetic field."
https://e-magnetica.pl/magnetic_field
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 11:03:11 AM
You're making stuff up. I never said that or implied it.
bi
Your previously posted link (which since you post it, means that you agree with) establishes a Magnetic Flux direction, which comes out of NORTH and returns to South...completely ignoring the center of the Field...but that's not the point.
The point is your B Vector direction, which "happens" to coincide with this unproven directional flow "theory" from N to S.
I DID NOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP...You post it.
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 11:27:23 AM
To Ufo and all,
"It is difficult to give a simple definition of magnetic or electromagnetic field."
https://e-magnetica.pl/magnetic_field
bi
This is all the concept of modern physics. It is nothing but a concept, the same as the concept of an electron. I don't think it's true.
Especially the Lorentz force, which does not manifest itself in any way in the induction of EMF on the wire, inside the magnetically conductive core.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 03, 2022, 12:36:41 PM
This is all the concept of modern physics. It is nothing but a concept, the same as the concept of an electron. I don't think it's true.
Especially the Lorentz force, which does not manifest itself in any way in the induction of EMF on the wire, inside the magnetically conductive core.
Dr Stan Zurek wrote that. His bio is impressive. Did you look at it? I think he is in your part of the world. Perhaps you could arrange a discussion with him about your misconceptions of Lorentz.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 10:13:40 AM
...
But you brought the theory that "B Fields "Vector" comes only from North Pole"...
...
Ufo,
OK, I see. You are misquoting from the link I posted.
https://tinyurl.com/2n2j9fm9
That isn't the best written article. Perhaps more explanatory for young students than highly technical. I believe confusion arises between descriptions of diagrams and actual theory. But there are likely a thousand other easily found references which will state explicitly that magnetic flux does not flow. Look it up.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 03, 2022, 11:46:27 AM
Your previously posted link (which since you post it, means that you agree with) establishes a Magnetic Flux direction, which comes out of NORTH and returns to South...completely ignoring the center of the Field...but that's not the point.
The point is your B Vector direction, which "happens" to coincide with this unproven directional flow "theory" from N to S.
...
Ufo, there is nothing special about the center of a magnet. It should be ignored.
You have you own theory about magnetism. I've never seen anyone of scientific reputation agree with or relate anything like it. Whereas I am in agreement with the universally accepted scientific theory.
Now you question my take on the B vector direction. That would be what is taught in every institution, textbook and tutorial. So just look it up.
The B vector direction defines the pole, not the other way around.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 06:24:31 PM
Dr Stan Zurek wrote that. His bio is impressive. Did you look at it? I think he is in your part of the world. Perhaps you could arrange a discussion with him about your misconceptions of Lorentz.
bi
The problem is that modern physics is concepts. Today, no physicist can say exactly what magnetism and electricity are. The professors need a discussion, I don't need it.
I do not adhere to the point of view, about the material point, in understanding the fields. The Lorenz's force initially cannot affect the "charge", since it does not yet exist. "Charging" is still worth appearing.
By the way, what do you mean by "charge" - an electric field or a magnetic field, or electrons, which, according to modern science, are already in the conductor?
Mitkevich's rule "In electrical machines, electrical power is equal to mechanical power" Pe = EI = Blv*I = BIL*v = Fv = Pk I have already smashed to pieces here ( Resultant Ampere Force (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146) ), or rather clarified to the real picture.
Now, in our case, we are used to taking the direction vector (B) in the magnetic flux. Now let's look at the picture of a two-pole synchronous generator, in particular, the direction of the magnetic induction vectors in the walls of the slotted rods and the wire in the groove of the stator core.
We see that the vectors in the two faces of the coil coincide, while the EMF is induced. In the wall of the groove rod, only its saturation changes with time, or, as science figuratively says, "the magnetic field changes with time."
Ostets only character of the pole field is "explosion" or "implosion".
Lorenz's strength is in great prostration, don't you think?
PS experience that the vectors coincide and the EMF is induced, Ufopolitika confirmed that in this design (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD75qPTkf_w&t=1s ), if he winds it correctly to get frames, he will just get a picture from their textbook, and the maximum unidirectional EMF, they will not butt him.
two pole generator and stator winding ;)
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2022, 07:23:41 PM
... there is nothing special about the center of a magnet. It should be ignored.
Are you sure about that?
I think that in the center of a magnet or electromagnet, the most "concentrated" magnetic flux (Bm), since on its pole face, the magnetic induction is B = 1/2Bm
Please answer me, a conventional car generator with a Lundel rotor.
The current consumed by the rotor magnetization winding will be the same in three cases?
1. If the rotor is stationary.
2. If the rotor rotates without load.
3. If the rotor rotates on a loaded generator.
Or will the excitation currents be different?
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 04, 2022, 04:11:17 AM
Are you sure about that?
I think that in the center of a magnet or electromagnet, the most "concentrated" magnetic flux (Bm), since on its pole face, the magnetic induction is B = 1/2Bm
The quest for OU in a modified AC motor :)
Listen, guys have been doing it with permanent magnets and without permanent magnets, using different winding configuration, exotic windings shapes, switching techniques ect.
You will not get OU from Holcomb, doesn't matter which way you are going to make B field vector rotate.
Wrong patch for OU quest.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: kolbacict on June 04, 2022, 05:10:14 AM
Please answer me, a conventional car generator with a Lundel rotor.
The current consumed by the rotor magnetization winding will be the same in three cases?
1. If the rotor is stationary.
2. If the rotor rotates without load.
3. If the rotor rotates on a loaded generator.
Or will the excitation currents be different?
@Kolbacict,
The current and voltage supplied to the exciter rotor coil comes from a portion of the output coils and the voltage regulator is in charge to control it.
So, no, current will not be the same in the 3 cases.
Therefore:
1-If rotor is stationary there will be zero currents.
2-In a no load alternator current will be controlled by regulator.
3-When Alternator is loaded, voltage and current regulator will increase supply to exciter coil.
Ufopolitics
@All
An AC Motor (single phase) windings will not work as a generator for these Stationary Rotor Systems.(I have tested it)
An AC Motor (2 Phase) Stator, I have it, but have not got there yet...have to machine rotor and stator to make them fit.
But just by looking at it, I can tell it will work, but not as a dedicated Generator winding for these type of systems.
I have not tested a 3 phase Motor Stator. But, because of its overlapped windings in sequence, it should work beautifully.
I have Generator Stators (single phase) and it does not work as a dedicated stator winding for these application will.
It is a different configuration...
I will post the correct winding soon on my Thread.
I give (or at least try) to share solutions to resolve OU once and for all...Not "denials" all the time...no "hidden traps"...no secrets.
That's me.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 04, 2022, 08:25:22 AM
1-If rotor is stationary there will be zero currents.
Hmm... Obviously you mean that the car's electrical system will simply turn off the voltage regulator when the engine is not running. In our case, the current through the field winding will be determined simply by the ohmic resistance of the winding. I meant it. In the other two cases, I don't know.
I didn't take measurements.
History repeats itself.
There were many " wonder" patents a'la Holcomb trying to make OU from induction motor-like variations.
Reminds me of this one:
US20020125774A1 - Continuous electrical generator - Google Patents (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020125774A1/en)
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: kolbacict on June 04, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
Hmm... Obviously you mean that the car's electrical system will simply turn off the voltage regulator when the engine is not running.
Ignition switch will turn off the supply to all Engine Electrical circuits, and yes, including the Alternator AVR.
Only some of the Accesories (clock) and some of the electronics on board computers will remain on minimal supply power.
Quote from: kolbacict on June 04, 2022, 09:10:51 AMIn our case, the current through the field winding will be determined simply by the ohmic resistance of the winding. I meant it. In the other two cases, I don't know.
I didn't take measurements.
In this case just by using a simple switch, will turn off the supply to exciter coils drivers and so Input to the Mag Field Motor...that is it.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on June 04, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
In our case, the current through the field winding will be determined simply by the ohmic resistance of the winding.
Sorry, I overlooked your statement above...
The current to the Exciter Field
is not only determined by the ohmic resistance of its coils.
It is depending on the speed that Rotating Field is driven.
At low speeds, low frequencies currents in the exciter coils will INCREASE.
At high speed currents will DECREASE.
The opposite takes place at Stator Windings...Amperage will Increase with higher operating speeds.
This is the perfect recipe for Overunity...it just have to be adjusted properly.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Well, well, well
And...here we all have the answer about previous debate about AC, 3 Phase "Rotating Field"...As I said before, it don't work, period.
Based on the previous shown failed and abandoned Patent from Molina-Martinez (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020125774A1/en)
So, let's review its Abstract:
Abstract
A stationary cylindrical electromagnetic core, made of one piece thin laminations stacked to desired height, having closed slots radially distributed, where two three-phase winding arrangements are placed together in the same slots, one to the center, one to the exterior, for the purpose of creating a rotational electromagnetic field by applying temporarily a three-phase current to one of said windings, and by this means, inducting a voltage on the second one, in such a way that the outgoing energy is a lot greater than the input. A return will feedback the system and the temporary source is then disconnected. The generator will run by itself indefinitely generating a great excess of energy permanently.
So, He was feeding (priming) the Generator Exciter Field with AC Three Phase currents...to create that "Rotational Electromagnetic Field"
And so, it failed to produce, to generate what was expected...or "generator running by itself indefinitely "
Nope, can't do, not with this AC 3 Phase currents, no matter how much "tantrum" is given ...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: pix on June 04, 2022, 07:15:21 AM
The quest for OU in a modified AC motor :)
Listen, guys have been doing it with permanent magnets and without permanent magnets, using different winding configuration, exotic windings shapes, switching techniques ect.
You will not get OU from Holcomb, doesn't matter which way you are going to make B field vector rotate.
Wrong patch for OU quest.
Cheers,
Pix
Don't worry, does everything work for Holcomb?
If you correctly calculate the magnetic circuit, the work will be with Over Unity
How do you feel about this organization? http://klnran.ru
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 04, 2022, 11:11:58 AM
Well, well, well
And...here we all have the answer about previous debate about AC, 3 Phase "Rotating Field"...As I said before, it don't work, period.
Based on the previous shown failed and abandoned Patent from Molina-Martinez (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020125774A1/en)
So, let's review its Abstract:
Abstract
A stationary cylindrical electromagnetic core, made of one piece thin laminations stacked to desired height, having closed slots radially distributed, where two three-phase winding arrangements are placed together in the same slots, one to the center, one to the exterior, for the purpose of creating a rotational electromagnetic field by applying temporarily a three-phase current to one of said windings, and by this means, inducting a voltage on the second one, in such a way that the outgoing energy is a lot greater than the input. A return will feedback the system and the temporary source is then disconnected. The generator will run by itself indefinitely generating a great excess of energy permanently.
So, He was feeding (priming) the Generator Exciter Field with AC Three Phase currents...to create that "Rotational Electromagnetic Field"
And so, it failed to produce, to generate what was expected...or "generator running by itself indefinitely "
Nope, can't do, not with this AC 3 Phase currents, no matter how much "tantrum" is given ...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
.... neither with you,switching the coils a'la Holcomb to get magnetic field rotation.
Just posted it to give a hint how it will end up.
Cheers,
Pix
PS. I did never said that it will OU with 3 phase rotation. Exactly the same- it will not OU with your switching the coils.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 04, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Don't worry, does everything work for Holcomb?
If you correctly calculate the magnetic circuit, the work will be with Over Unity
How do you feel about this organization? http://klnran.ru (http://klnran.ru)
Sorry, but I do have only negative feelings about RU.
Nothing good caming trom RU direction.
Quote from: pix on June 04, 2022, 11:36:56 AM
Sorry, but I do have only negative feelings about RU.
Nothing good caming trom RU direction.
COMMISSION FOR COMBATING PSEUSION SCIENCE under the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences / КОМИССИЯ ПО БОРЬБЕ С ЛЖЕНАУКОЙ при Президиуме Российской академии наук
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 04, 2022, 11:00:35 AM
At low speeds, low frequencies currents in the exciter coils will INCREASE.
At high speed currents will DECREASE.
The opposite takes place at Stator Windings...Amperage will Increase with higher operating speeds.
This is the perfect recipe for Overunity...it just have to be adjusted properly.
I understand. This is amazing. :)
And if we throw out the coil from the Lundell rotor, and insert a permanent magnet in its place.
What will happen in this case?
Quote from: kolbacict on June 04, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
And if we throw out the coil from the Lundell rotor, and insert a permanent magnet in its place.
What will happen in this case?
I do not know...ask Pix, He already tried it... ;D
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 04, 2022, 11:11:58 AM
Well, well, well
And...here we all have the answer about previous debate about AC, 3 Phase "Rotating Field"...As I said before, it don't work, period.
Based on the previous shown failed and abandoned Patent from Molina-Martinez (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020125774A1/en)
So, let's review its Abstract:
Abstract
A stationary cylindrical electromagnetic core, made of one piece thin laminations stacked to desired height, having closed slots radially distributed, where two three-phase winding arrangements are placed together in the same slots, one to the center, one to the exterior, for the purpose of creating a rotational electromagnetic field by applying temporarily a three-phase current to one of said windings, and by this means, inducting a voltage on the second one, in such a way that the outgoing energy is a lot greater than the input. A return will feedback the system and the temporary source is then disconnected. The generator will run by itself indefinitely generating a great excess of energy permanently.
So, He was feeding (priming) the Generator Exciter Field with AC Three Phase currents...to create that "Rotational Electromagnetic Field"
And so, it failed to produce, to generate what was expected...or "generator running by itself indefinitely "
Nope, can't do, not with this AC 3 Phase currents, no matter how much "tantrum" is given ...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
We said it produces a RMF, not OU.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 04, 2022, 04:11:17 AM
Are you sure about that?
I think that in the center of a magnet or electromagnet, the most "concentrated" magnetic flux (Bm), since on its pole face, the magnetic induction is B = 1/2Bm
Hi rakarskiy, where did you come up with 1/2 flux density on pole face vs middle?
This place has some good tools and info.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 04, 2022, 01:00:30 PM
I do not know...ask Pix, He already tried it... ;D
At the end, it is your time and your money wasted. ;)
Good luck.
Pix
Quote from: bistander on June 04, 2022, 01:15:37 PM
Hi rakarskiy, where did you come up with 1/2 flux density on pole face vs middle?
This place has some good tools and info.
bi
Source: https://www.dextermag.com
QuoteFormulas for calculating permanent magnets
Below are methods and formulas for an approximate calculation of simple magnetic systems based on permanent magnets, recommended by the British company Dexter, which are quite accessible to the understanding of an elderly lumberjack. All subsequent formulas, comments and pictures are taken directly from the company's website, although I cannot vouch for the absolute accuracy of my translation.
The calculation of the magnetic induction of axially magnetized cylindrical magnets with a radius (r) and length (l), at a point located at a distance (d) from the surface, along the axis is carried out according to the formula: (the attachment)
Example:
r=0.5", l=1", d=0.25", B r =12200 Gauss, B=2935.7 Gauss
Calculation by the boundary element method (BEM), B=2788.7 Gauss
В= Br/2 ;)
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 04, 2022, 02:05:33 PM
Source: https://www.dextermag.com
В= Br/2 ;)
Thanks. I don't agree with your deduction, but this is off topic, so let it ride.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 04, 2022, 02:37:48 PM
Thanks. I don't agree with your deduction, but this is off topic, so let it ride.
bi
ok, but that's not my conclusion, that's physics.
By the way, just on the topic, the rules for the formation of magnetic circuits, a magnet or an electromagnet in a magnetic circuit and magnetic inductions will be different.
Quote from: pix on June 04, 2022, 02:01:40 PM
At the end, it is your time and your money wasted. ;)
Good luck.
Pix
Thks Pix, yes, you are right, it is my money and my time...
But what "if"...it works...what would you do "if" I show everyone O.U. on my build?
Would you replicate it?...or you would just start denying it and Nahing it?
Just asking...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics,
You do some excellent work - thanks for sharing! You will, most certainly, achieve your objectives IMHO.
Over the past couple of months, as you might be aware, the Holcomb methods and techniques, in the form
of a pseudo Linear Generator (LinGen), have been studied by way of advanced Computer Aided Engineering (CAE).
Results of that analysis strongly indicate:
1. A magnetic field can be made to move, or slide (rotate), along a metal structure by way of only using
electical pulsing of Pole Coil/Windings. There are no moving parts if the pulses are created electronically
(as shown in the patent).
2. The magnetic field can be "amplified" or increased by way of using ferromagnetic metals for the
Pole pieces. This follows, to a great extent, the well known material BH Curve. It appears to perform
somewhat differently to what is commonly published, but the phenomenum is clearly present.
3. CAE output data strongly points to Excess Energy output as compared to standard generator
performance (as claimed in the patents).
CAE analysis is found in a series of posts in the OUR Forum under "Solarlab," with the brief final results starting at:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112)
Of interest are the "Co-Energy_Energy" and "Induced_Voltage_Coil-9" (the output Lap Wound Stator coil)
graphs [attached].Unfortunately only two cycles (16mSec -> took about 8 hours of processing) were simulated but the trend
line of the Co-Energy graph is quite enlightening.
A related, but off-topic subject here [soon to be investigated and published], focuses on the driver pulse
generation using electronic means (inexpensive microprocessor driving high speed SiC or GaN FETS) with
flow chart derived software - easily modified as required.
Again, great work and best wishes!
SL
Graphs are too large, sorry - will have to figure out how to reduce them.... stand-by?
Quote from: SolarLab on June 06, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Ufopolitics,
You do some excellent work - thanks for sharing! You will, most certainly, achieve your objectives IMHO.
Thanks much SolarLab,
Greatly appreciated, basically when coming from someone like You!!
I also admire your work, you do incredible research and developments, and deep analysis and graphics.
Yes, it should work, and will work...previous studies and experiments show very promising results.
Best regards
Ufopolitics
I want to inform you that the Holcomb system, like any other solid-state electromagnetic generator, including a synchronous electromechanical one, where the stator has slots, operates on a speed change system. The speed, paradoxically, is magnetic induction.
Magnetic induction is measured in Tesla and Gauss: 1 T = 1 volt per second per square meter, and 1 gauss = 0.0001 volt per second per square meter.
***********
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux
***********
I do not think that many will understand me, but today I nevertheless solved this problem. How simply the materialists have translated everything into material forces. But even two magnets is an interaction of fields. and the two bodies of the magnet attraction and repulsion is a consequence of the work of the fields.
The plate in the attachment, when borrowed from an alternative forum from Russian-speaking physicists. This is a comparison of two systems electromagnetic and mechanical. Only the spin permeability of vacuum (mechanics, gravity) remained unclear. A very tricky moment, similar to voltage in electromagnetism; In mechanics, speed works. And the capacitance of an electric capacitor is the charge (charge capacity) divided by the voltage (we read the speed).
Next, we draw a conclusion about the mechanism of electromagnetic induction, and another type of hidden induction, on which other solid-state devices probably work (Kapanadze, S. Mark ..)
rakarskiy,
Your "solution" linking material forces, magnetics, and electromagnetics appears, for me at least, to be quite brilliant!
A "speed" or velocity element [squared] is found in nearly every system, and the equations used to describe them
[per second per square meter].
To quote, in part, from your writings (this is worth repeating in my opinion):
"In mechanics, speed works. And the capaticance of an electric capacitor is the charge (charge capacity)
divided by the voltage (we read the speed)." [dx/dt] "Next, we draw a conclusion about the mechanism
of electromagnetic induction, and another type of hidden induction, on which other solid-state devices
probably work (Kapanadze, S Mark ..)"
Linking "electromagnetic and mechanical" systems via "spin permeability of vacuum" is indeed a "very tricky moment."
A while back High Voltage was linked to the operation of devices similar to Kapanadze, Ruslan and Stalker but a detailed
physics connection was vague at best. Ref:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356)
Your conclusion may well be that missing link.
This video might also be of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA)
Thanks for sharing your insight and best regards,
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 07, 2022, 09:31:28 AM
I want to inform you that the Holcomb system, like any other solid-state electromagnetic generator, including a synchronous electromechanical one, where the stator has slots, operates on a speed change system. The speed, paradoxically, is magnetic induction.
Magnetic induction is measured in Tesla and Gauss: 1 T = 1 volt per second per square meter, and 1 gauss = 0.0001 volt per second per square meter.
***********
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux
***********
...
Hi rakarskiy,
You say "1 T = 1 volt per second per square meter, and 1 gauss = 0.0001 volt per second per square meter."
That is incorrect.
1 Tesla = 1 Weber per square meter. 1 Weber = 1 Volt • second. Therefore 1 T = 1 volt • second per square meter, not as you say.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 07, 2022, 06:00:54 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
You say "1 T = 1 volt per second per square meter, and 1 gauss = 0.0001 volt per second per square meter."
That is incorrect.
1 Tesla = 1 Weber per square meter. 1 Weber = 1 Volt • second. Therefore 1 T = 1 volt • second per square meter, not as you say.
bi
bistander,Thanks for the good point, I didn't specify what the difference is. This difference is really significant. You can say "per second - n / s" or "" for a period of time "seconds n * s"
(* clarification Google will translate from Russian "в секунду" and "за секунду" is always "per second", in Russian this is the difference)
in the first variant, the expression refers to the parameter of the action at the moment of time (for example, the speed of the flow of water, the point moves on a segment m / s)
in the second option, the expression refers to the quantity parameter over a period of time (for example, Watt * hour, Watt * second)
Since "voltage = speed" when comparing electromagnetism and mechanics, we can conditionally put an equal sign U (V) = v^ 2 (m^ 2/s^ 2)
Thus, 1 Tesla is a parameter of the speed of the magnetic flux (no density or force). We change the speed in the time interval, we get the corresponding parameter of the electric voltage around the conductor.
Е = q /(ε
0r^2)
The difference with the electrostatic field is only in its exceptional vortex structure (this is a dynamic electric field). Does not exist without a cause of its generative, at any given time.
Next, the basic formulas for EMF (vortex electric field)!
Е =dФ/dt ( Ф=BS), E = B*L*v, E = 4.44*k*w*f*Ф
At point-blank range, I do not see the manifestation of the Lorentz force. And the minus sign in the formula (Е = - dФ/dt) is absurd.
The reason is the same, the algorithm is the same, there are no Newtonian forces or even similarity. Forces are manifested only by the fact of counteraction / interaction of magnetic fields. In a conductor, the strength of the magnetic field is expressed in terms of current strength (in fact, this is the vortex magnetic field).
The strength of the current in the conductor, this is the result of the internal properties of a closed circuit, relates to an external magnetic field through the process of formation of an EMF. The current strength is related to the Ampere Force, and I have already specified how the EMF is involved here
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146
PS
the most interesting, what kind of animal is the magnetic flux, we do not answer. Perhaps this is the very structured ether about which there are disputes.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 07, 2022, 04:53:42 PM
rakarskiy,
Your "solution" linking material forces, magnetics, and electromagnetics appears, for me at least, to be quite brilliant!
A "speed" or velocity element [squared] is found in nearly every system, and the equations used to describe them
[per second per square meter].
To quote, in part, from your writings (this is worth repeating in my opinion):
"In mechanics, speed works. And the capaticance of an electric capacitor is the charge (charge capacity)
divided by the voltage (we read the speed)." [dx/dt] "Next, we draw a conclusion about the mechanism
of electromagnetic induction, and another type of hidden induction, on which other solid-state devices
probably work (Kapanadze, S Mark ..)"
Linking "electromagnetic and mechanical" systems via "spin permeability of vacuum" is indeed a "very tricky moment."
A while back High Voltage was linked to the operation of devices similar to Kapanadze, Ruslan and Stalker but a detailed
physics connection was vague at best. Ref:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&topic=4154.msg96356#msg96356)
Your conclusion may well be that missing link.
This video might also be of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA)
Thanks for sharing your insight and best regards,
SL
Greetings, SolarLab!
This is not my decision, these are Russian-speaking physicists who are engaged in science. I just took as a basis in the study.
If you are looking for an answer, where does the "additional energy" come from in the systems of electrostatic circuits, I will answer you "It is taken from a third-party electric field."
Quote from a high school physics textbook "One of the main ways of generating electric current in the body of a conductor is the creation and maintenance of an electric field in them (my editing around them)."
Ohm's law, (which for some reason is not fundamental). Ohm's law is mathematically expressed by the formula: I = λE, where: λ is the conductivity of the conductor material, then ρ = 1/λ, hence the well-known Ohm formula is derived: I = U/R
In physics, there is such a concept of EMF (E) as an "element of concentration", used to describe the operation of galvanic sources. In a simple concept, you need a third-party source of EMF (E from the side) to maintain current in the conductor. The mathematical formula looks like this: I = λ(E+E from the side)
In conductors, there is such a thing as electrostatic induction. Where an external electric field immediately causes the polarization of the conductor. So, the mechanism of conductor polarization is a manifestation of the potential difference of the electric field at the ends of the conductor. Actually the same EMF (vortex electric field). I see no difference in the end result, with the appearance of EMF around the conductor through electromagnetic induction.
This device is just designed to create electrostatic induction with the formation of an EMF on the surface of a conductor stretched through it.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&action=dlattach;topic=4154.0;attach=40758;image
That is, according to the abbreviation from the Kapanadze scheme - "current amplifier". I described the principle and physics above.
My simple version of the device according to this principle in the figure https://strannik-2.ru/media/kunena/attachments/587/525258.jpg
This is the base, everything else is engineering creativity.
Sincerely.
PS
Formula: E=mc^2, can be read as follows, that a particle with a mass (m), upon reaching the speed of light squared (c^2), becomes light.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 02:14:03 AM
Greetings, SolarLab!
This is not my decision, these are Russian-speaking physicists who are engaged in science. I just took as a basis in the study.
If you are looking for an answer, where does the "additional energy" come from in the systems of electrostatic circuits, I will answer you "It is taken from a third-party electric field."
Quote from a high school physics textbook "One of the main ways of generating electric current in the body of a conductor is the creation and maintenance of an electric field in them (my editing around them)."
Ohm's law, (which for some reason is not fundamental). Ohm's law is mathematically expressed by the formula: I = λE, where: λ is the conductivity of the conductor material, then ρ = 1/λ, hence the well-known Ohm formula is derived: I = U/R
In physics, there is such a concept of EMF (E) as an "element of concentration", used to describe the operation of galvanic sources. In a simple concept, you need a third-party source of EMF (E from the side) to maintain current in the conductor. The mathematical formula looks like this: I = λ(E+E from the side)
In conductors, there is such a thing as electrostatic induction. Where an external electric field immediately causes the polarization of the conductor. So, the mechanism of conductor polarization is a manifestation of the potential difference of the electric field at the ends of the conductor. Actually the same EMF (vortex electric field). I see no difference in the end result, with the appearance of EMF around the conductor through electromagnetic induction.
This device is just designed to create electrostatic induction with the formation of an EMF on the surface of a conductor stretched through it.
Electrostatic induction is not OU. You have to maintain source charge to induce exact opposite charge in conductor.
Tried this concept. It works, there is flow of current from the ground, but load on HV drive also rises.
Cheers,
Pix
PS. "Grenade" coil is just a transmission line. It is wound this way to squeeze certain length of conductor and minimise inductance.
Quote from: pix on June 08, 2022, 04:05:32 AM
Electrostatic induction is not OU. You have to maintain source charge to induce exact opposite charge in conductor.
Tried this concept. It works, there is flow of current from the ground, but load on HV drive also rises.
Cheers,
Pix
PS. "Grenade" coil is just a transmission line. It is wound this way to squeeze certain length of conductor and minimise inductance.
pix,
In mechanics, there is such an effect - "exomechanical", when two sources of torque (static and dynamic) act on the same load. A crank press with a flywheel works on this principle. One trouble is not a constant action, but by periods of charge-discharge (it is on this principle that the "Earth Engine" installation of the Energy Inductance Company works.
The principle that I am describing provides for the low-cost creation of an electric field for a reactor, with electrostatic induction on a conductor closed in a circuit with a load. In my version, two circuits are connected into one. We get an analogy with mechanics.
I'm glad that you have your opinion, but I won't give up mine until I check it.
Earth in my version is needed only as a zero driver for a high-voltage circuit, but the system can work without earth at all.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 04:29:03 AM
pix,
In mechanics, there is such an effect - "exomechanical", when two sources of torque (static and dynamic) act on the same load. A crank press with a flywheel works on this principle. One trouble is not a constant action, but by periods of charge-discharge (it is on this principle that the "Earth Engine" installation of the Energy Inductance Company works.
The principle that I am describing provides for the low-cost creation of an electric field for a reactor, with electrostatic induction on a conductor closed in a circuit with a load. In my version, two circuits are connected into one. We get an analogy with mechanics.
I'm glad that you have your opinion, but I won't give up mine until I check it.
Earth in my version is needed only as a zero driver for a high-voltage circuit, but the system can work without earth at all.
Sincerely.
Attached mechanical equivalent to "Tesla" style energy accumulation. Resonator accumulates "low grade" energy into more useable.
There is no "free energy".
But a lot of "low grade non useable" energy around us that could be converted to useable.
Closed loop will not give you any OU. You need to have some source.
Those who do nod understand concept of a thermodynamic heat pump will not understand so called OU.
Cheers,
Pix
They won't take us in, my friend Rakarsky, no matter how hard you try. :(
Among several billion people there is no place for the two of us.
Too many humiliating procedures to go through, even if it happens.
It is more difficult only, perhaps, to make a perpetual motion machine. ;D
Quote from: pix on June 08, 2022, 05:13:29 AM
Attached mechanical equivalent to "Tesla" style energy accumulation. Resonator accumulates "low grade" energy into more useable.
There is no "free energy".
But a lot of "low grade non useable" energy around us that could be converted to useable.
Closed loop will not give you any OU. You need to have some source.
Those who do nod understand concept of a thermodynamic heat pump will not understand so called OU.
Cheers,
Pix
pix
everything is much simpler, we take the usual formula for kinetic energy: Ek = 1/2mV^2
1) Ek = 1/2 * 1 kg * 10 m/s ^2 = 50 J
2) Ek = 1/2 * 1 kg * 50 m/s ^2 = 1250 J
we increased the speed by 5 times from the first option, and the energy increased by 25 times.
pix, so the whole secret of OU is speed! ;) ;) ;)
PS
And with EMF, we have two speeds, the speed of the flow in Tesla [volt * second / square meter], and the rate of change of this flow around the conductor [Hz (number of times per second]!
Here's a puzzle for you to think about.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 05:24:07 AM
pix
everything is much simpler, we take the usual formula for kinetic energy: Ek = 1/2mV^2
1) Ek = 1/2 * 1 kg * 10 m/s ^2 = 50 J
2) Ek = 1/2 * 1 kg * 50 m/s ^2 = 1250 J
we increased the speed by 5 times from the first option, and the energy increased by 25 times.
pix, so the whole secret of OU is speed! ;) ;) ;)
...and to increase speed of a given mass takes energy.
When you accelerate your car you increases your kinetic energy, but on the expense of fuel. :)
PS. Regarding Tesla resonator. Rate of change is constant, it is resonance of secondary. What matters is a constant influx of energy from primary that is
trapped in secondary. Method of utilization of that "high grade trapped energy" may vary. Exact mechanical equivalent of such mechanism I did attached as pdf in my previous post. Tesla is a beautifull utilisation of low grade energy compressed into high grade useable one.
Quote from: pix on June 08, 2022, 05:30:03 AM
...and to increase speed of a given mass takes energy.
When you accelerate your car you increases your kinetic energy, but on the expense of fuel. :)
PS. Regarding Tesla resonator. Rate of change is constant, it is resonance of secondary. What matters is a constant influx of energy from primary that is trapped in secondary. Method of utilization of that "high grade trapped energy" may vary. Exact mechanical equivalent of such mechanism I did attached as pdf in my previous post. Tesla is a beautifull utilisation of low grade energy compressed into high grade useable one.
Oh pix, you are tricky, in your arguments you are similar to "an adherent of the Commission on Pseudoscience of Russian Ostriches" Do not be offended, I have seen enough of these adherents.
We consider the simplest crank press, drive power 8.5 kW at 800 rpm, torque 101 Nm.
The force on the press table develops at 10 kilonewtons, at 8 rpm of the crank shaft.
8:1 downshift torque will increase to 1 kN, (speed down, power up)!
In this case, the press develops a force of 10 kN eight times in 1 minute, while the motor makes 800 rpm. (time span 1 minute)
7.5 seconds per revolution, while the pressing action itself is up to 2 seconds.
2 seconds * 8 times/revolution = 16 seconds.
16/60 = 0.26 of a period of one minute.
10 kN * 8 * 0.26 = 20.8 kN.
And so with a decrease from the motor on the shaft of 1 kNm, and the press developed 20.8 kN, while doing the work of pressing 8 parts.
Quote from: kolbacict on June 08, 2022, 05:20:10 AM
They won't take us in, my friend Rakarsky, no matter how hard you try. :(
Among several billion people there is no place for the two of us.
Too many humiliating procedures to go through, even if it happens.
It is more difficult only, perhaps, to make a perpetual motion machine. ;D
And who should take it? It's their problem, not mine. Everything goes according to plan.
I see they want to disable Holcomb's generators and invalidate them. It will be easier when people can make their own generators, which is what I'm striving for. And my arguments, some angry. I love to annoy the trolls out of the system.
There is an expression, it's nice to hear a lie when you know the truth. Messenger of lies, pitiful in your eyes.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 06:12:09 AM
Oh pix, you are tricky, in your arguments you are similar to "an adherent of the Commission on Pseudoscience of Russian Ostriches" Do not be offended, I have seen enough of these adherents.
We consider the simplest crank press, drive power 8.5 kW at 800 rpm, torque 101 Nm.
The force on the press table develops at 10 kilonewtons, at 8 rpm of the crank shaft.
8:1 downshift torque will increase to 1 kN, (speed down, power up)!
In this case, the press develops a force of 10 kN eight times in 1 minute, while the motor makes 800 rpm. (time span 1 minute)
7.5 seconds per revolution, while the pressing action itself is up to 2 seconds.
2 seconds * 8 times/revolution = 16 seconds.
16/60 = 0.26 of a period of one minute.
10 kN * 8 * 0.26 = 20.8 kN.
And so with a decrease from the motor on the shaft of 1 kNm, and the press developed 20.8 kN, while doing the work of pressing 8 parts.
You described a simple machine. Leverage. No OU here.
Quote from: pix on June 08, 2022, 09:52:23 AM
You described a simple machine. Leverage. No OU here.
Result OU!
the input of force into the device is 101 Nm (costs are 8.5 kW), the output of the force that does the work is 20,000 N !
It is paradoxical that they did not ask: where from?
Good luck with your search for OU. ;) :D
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 10:01:37 AM
Result OU!
the input of force into the device is 101 Nm (costs are 8.5 kW), the output of the force that does the work is 20,000 N !
It is paradoxical that they did not ask: where from?
Good luck with your search for OU. ;) :D
Wrong. Wrong.Wrong. :o
Power= (Torque x rev/min)/9559 [kW]
Your example input power :
Pin= (101[Nm] x 800 [1/min] )/9500 = 8,5 [kW]
Output power:
Pout = (10100 [Nm] x 8[1/min])/9500 = 8,5 [kW]
Of course taking mechanical losses COP<1.
You will not get OU from leveraging simple machine :D
Cheers,
Pix
QuoteYour example input power :
Pin= (101[Nm] x 800 [1/min] )/9500 = 8,5 [kW]
Output power:
Pout = (10100 [Nm] x 8[1/min])/9500 = 8,5 [kW]
Resulting force on the shaft work 20000 [N]
quite a bit more, probably the engineers should not have bothered installing the flywheel.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 10:55:46 AM
Resulting force on the shaft work 20000 [N]
quite a bit more, probably the engineers should not have bothered installing the flywheel.
It does not matter. Calculation based on your data.
Simple machine. Leverage of torque. COP<1.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 08, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
It does not matter. Calculation based on your data.
Simple machine. Leverage of torque. COP<1.
Cheers,
Pix
Agree, this example fails. We take real abs, not my fantasies!
QuoteSpecifications KD2128E (https://www.prostanki.com/board/item/335803)
Single-crank press, single-acting, open, non-tilting KD2128E Designed for the manufacture of parts from sheet material using cold stamping operations: punching, hole punching, bending, shallow drawing, etc. It is used in procurement workshops of enterprises in the automotive, tractor, instrument-making, radio-electronic and other industries with large-scale and mass production.
Model kd2128e
Start of series production 1984
Rated force, kN 630
Slider stroke, mm 100
Distance between table and slider, mm 340
Distance between table and slider, mm 340
Power of the engine of the main movement of kW 6,3
Table size width/length mm 480/710
Machine dimensions Length Width Height (mm) 1500_1690_2890
Weight kg 5400
Good luck deciding that here is efficiency <1
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 02:14:03 AM
Greetings, SolarLab!
This is not my decision, these are Russian-speaking physicists who are engaged in science. I just took as a basis in the study.
If you are looking for an answer, where does the "additional energy" come from in the systems of electrostatic circuits, I will answer you "It is taken from a third-party electric field."
Quote from a high school physics textbook "One of the main ways of generating electric current in the body of a conductor is the creation and maintenance of an electric field in them (my editing around them)."
Ohm's law, (which for some reason is not fundamental). Ohm's law is mathematically expressed by the formula: I = λE, where: λ is the conductivity of the conductor material, then ρ = 1/λ, hence the well-known Ohm formula is derived: I = U/R
In physics, there is such a concept of EMF (E) as an "element of concentration", used to describe the operation of galvanic sources. In a simple concept, you need a third-party source of EMF (E from the side) to maintain current in the conductor. The mathematical formula looks like this: I = λ(E+E from the side)
In conductors, there is such a thing as electrostatic induction. Where an external electric field immediately causes the polarization of the conductor. So, the mechanism of conductor polarization is a manifestation of the potential difference of the electric field at the ends of the conductor. Actually the same EMF (vortex electric field). I see no difference in the end result, with the appearance of EMF around the conductor through electromagnetic induction.
This device is just designed to create electrostatic induction with the formation of an EMF on the surface of a conductor stretched through it.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&action=dlattach;topic=4154.0;attach=40758;image (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tkjqdoee4vq0ppjto421pt59q6&action=dlattach;topic=4154.0;attach=40758;image)
That is, according to the abbreviation from the Kapanadze scheme - "current amplifier". I described the principle and physics above.
My simple version of the device according to this principle in the figure https://strannik-2.ru/media/kunena/attachments/587/525258.jpg (https://strannik-2.ru/media/kunena/attachments/587/525258.jpg)
This is the base, everything else is engineering creativity.
Sincerely.
PS
Formula: E=mc^2, can be read as follows, that a particle with a mass (m), upon reaching the speed of light squared (c^2), becomes light.
Hello Rakarskiy, (this will be very brief since it's somewhat off topic)
The Ruslan Generator (Kapanadze device) has been the subject of analysis for a long time - documented in one form or another as far back as 12/08/16.
For a bit more information on the project see the attached pdf.
My approach in attempting to explain the "excess energy" focused on a "Travelling Wave Tube" analogy since I have some experience that area. Whether correct or not, I concluded the extra energy was formed by a pseudo "Velocity Modulation" phenomena based on
E=mv2 (electron energy increases by the square of it's velocity - as shown in the video referenced above) and electron bunching.
High voltage pulses were generated by a Tesla or Katcher coil and when propagated around the Grenade coil and, with proper timing and physical spacing, caused an excess energy within the system. A protoype seemed to demonstrate this postulation since HV and physical adjustments followed closely with some very preliminary CAE analysis.
However the system was highly resonant (easily disturbed by even hand waving) and it appeared to be very subject to Atmospheric Electric activity (a thunderstorm even 200 miles away caused the system to become unstable). A work-around or fix is yet to be determined.
The exact "coupling mechanism" physics is still uncertain, to me at least.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 08, 2022, 04:07:13 PM
The exact "coupling mechanism" physics is still uncertain, to me at least.
Hello SolarLab!
This is the most important question, how one kind of "energy" accelerates another kind of "energy". An electromagnetic circuit consists of two types of fields: an electric field and a magnetic field. There are no electrons there, these are two states of plasma, a structured ether in a state of a force field. The plasma of the magnetic field and the electric field has a manifestation in different, visible to us and invisible, spectra
Unfortunately, many do not even understand the difference between electromagnetic induction and interturn mutual induction. Ideas about the difference between the flux linkage of electric and magnetic fields. Even Faraday began his research with mutual induction, so the generator came up with an incognito with the initials P.M., who clearly understood or knew the difference.
How does the generator circuit work with a load, how does the circuit work when a transformer is inserted between the generator and the load?
I can say with a 100% guarantee that the electromagnetic induction of the generator winding, closed in a circuit with a load, works by analogy with a hydroelectric power plant system. When the blade absorbs the velocity of the water head (that is, the speed of the turbine blade must be half the velocity of the water jet from the nozzle that presses on the blade in order to obtain the corresponding force on the turbine shaft)
For the operation of a closed circuit of an electrical circuit: generator-load, the same alignment. Only the electrical parameter of the EMF is absorbed. The transformer has a different adjustment, it is calculated by the formula for bringing the load of the secondary circuit to the AC source of the primary circuit. The source of the primary circuit operates according to the generator circuit rule. Again, the circle is closed, I especially like the "chatter of general science" about the magnetic field in the core, at the moment of maximum current of the primary and secondary circuits.
The trouble for many is that they simply ignore the concepts of how the circuit works with the load and the source - the generator phase. Where CURRENT POWER (a vortex magnetic field that rotates rather than flows) is the result of balancing the potentials of the electric field, at the moment of balancing becomes a vortex around the conductor. This plasma of magnetic and electric vortex fields can be seen in a spark gap or electric arc. Perhaps this is the key point that changed my worldview about electromagnetism.
These questions are on the subject of the Holcomb generator, because if you ignore it, you are guaranteed to stumble upon a wall of paradoxes and misunderstandings.According to the instrument of Ruslan Kalabukhov. The device is an option when the electric potential of the secondary circuit of the Tesla transformer tries to illuminate the electric field in a complex inter-turn converter (Garnet), while transferring "energy" from the primary circuit to the secondary circuit with a reinforcing element. That is, according to the formula I = λ (E +
E from the side), they try to add the sides
E[/glow ] +
E of the source[ /b].
My opinion is that this method is too slippery, since it is not clear which moment is effective, is it utopia to combine mutual induction and induction in one section of the wire? . The main thing that I don't like is the transposed electric field of the secondary circuit of the Tesla transformer, I don't understand how the concentration process will take place? The concentration process is effective in a direct or pulsed current circuit. Second: LOAD of the secondary circuit, only fixed, destroys the process when the load changes. Thirdly: the Tesla transformer emitter in this version has an open field, that is, external communication can also affect. I do not consider this version successful.
My idea is to make an impulse system based on this principle. The only task left is to make the static electric field around the conductor move according to the vortex model. I think that there is one more thing that I need to think about thoroughly - the Zatsarinin transformer and the inductive-capacitive transformer. I worked with it and came to an approximate understanding of the picture. I will deal with this later.
At the moment, is busy with a pulse electromagnetic static converter, it is simpler. Can be repeated by any craftsman in the garage with a minimum of training.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 08, 2022, 03:56:21 PM
Agree, this example fails. We take real abs, not my fantasies!
Good luck deciding that here is efficiency <1
Are you kidding, right?
Please stop trying to convince me that simple machanical machine that utilizes torque leverage has COP>1.
EOT.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 09, 2022, 03:35:49 AM
Are you kidding, right?
Please stop trying to convince me that simple machanical machine that utilizes torque leverage has COP>1.
EOT.
Cheers,
Pix
Hello pix!
Absolutely no joke, these are the parameters of a real machine. There are also stone crushers. You, do not be surprised if the air conditioner has an efficiency greater than one.
In addition to the levers, there is a flywheel and an impulse kinematic chain. The effect it works on is called EXOMECHANICAL
https://rakarskiy.livejournal.com/12789.html
***
Sincerely
Hi rakarskiy,
Sorry but I have completely failed to understand your physics link between HV pulses and the increased energy in the Ruslan Generator type circuit.
For now I'll stick with the hypothesis focused around a pseudo TWT Velocity Modulation - used in Travelling Wave Tube design and can be simulated in CAE. Also, one of the original TWT patents had the HV run along the outside of the helical coil and claimed a power gain. Lots of good theory, applications and development information is available as well.
Will attemp to attach a pdf re: TWT Symposium with some good technical stuff to support my theoretical approach - 12MB so it might not work however.
Regards,
SL
FYI: Go to the last presentation [CST - Monika Balk] for insight into how the Ruslan/TWT integration fits CAE simulation.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 09, 2022, 03:07:36 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
Sorry but I have completely failed to understand your physics link between HV pulses and the increased energy in the Ruslan Generator type circuit.
Hi SolarLab!
I have no accumulated information on technology, only sketches. In a simple variant, if we take the pulse circuit of a single-cycle converter, and apply a resistance of 2-5 kΩ in series with the diode to the primary coil, where the diode shunts the circuit, the electric field of self-induction that occurs will be high. In the secondary circuit, the current will be greater than with a conventional pulse. The reason is the electric field, which stimulates the induction of the secondary circuit from the magnetic field.
I don't know if there is such a technology somewhere, but I tried it. True, he abandoned it, postponing it for the future, switching to working out the resonant circuit of his model.
I met Dorokhov's field illumination, but the device is intended for medical purposes.
******
Quotehttps://realstrannik.com/forum/attachment/40886
https://realstrannik.com/forum/attachment/40881?download=1
Sincerely!
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 09, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
Hi SolarLab!
I have no accumulated information on technology, only sketches. In a simple variant, if we take the pulse circuit of a single-cycle converter, and apply a resistance of 2-5 kΩ in series with the diode to the primary coil, where the diode shunts the circuit, the electric field of self-induction that occurs will be high. In the secondary circuit, the current will be greater than with a conventional pulse. The reason is the electric field, which stimulates the induction of the secondary circuit from the magnetic field.
I don't know if there is such a technology somewhere, but I tried it. True, he abandoned it, postponing it for the future, switching to working out the resonant circuit of his model.
I met Dorokhov's field illumination, but the device is intended for medical purposes.
******
Sincerely!
Hi Rakarskiy,
Interesting device but not sure what it's intended application is - medical pain relief... IDK?
Attached an English translated version FWIW.
Not sure we're on the same page however. So, I will "bow out"at this point since it seems
this is really "off-topic" with respect to Holcomb.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 09, 2022, 05:07:26 PM
Hi Rakarskiy,
Not sure we're on the same page however. So, I will "bow out"at this point since it seems
this is really "off-topic" with respect to Holcomb.
Regards,
SL
Hello SolarLab!
Probably not on the same wavelength. Everything is simple for me, the circuit engineering approach is secondary, and the processes in the circuit elements are primary. Until I get to the bottom of the primary, the latter is meaningless.
So it is with the stator system of a synchronous generator or a Holcomb static generator. What is the meaning of modeling inaccuracies? These are mistakes, even if they seem to be true.
In the system Kapanadze, Mark et al. are sure that there is electrostatic induction. It is this section in physics that seems to exist, but it is hushed up.
Link to document not solved in "how it works" answer: http://www.sergey-osetrov.narod.ru/Projects/Boiler/Clever_transformer_from_Zacarinin.pdf
(attached english version)
to one reader who does not calculate what kind of device is in the material, I made the following link: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567932/#msg567932
Good luck to you, in the ordeals of the search for truth.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 10, 2022, 02:50:04 AM
Hello SolarLab!
Probably not on the same wavelength. Everything is simple for me, the circuit engineering approach is secondary, and the processes in the circuit elements are primary. Until I get to the bottom of the primary, the latter is meaningless.
So it is with the stator system of a synchronous generator or a Holcomb static generator. What is the meaning of modeling inaccuracies? These are mistakes, even if they seem to be true.
In the system Kapanadze, Mark et al. are sure that there is electrostatic induction. It is this section in physics that seems to exist, but it is hushed up.
Link to document not solved in "how it works" answer: http://www.sergey-osetrov.narod.ru/Projects/Boiler/Clever_transformer_from_Zacarinin.pdf (http://www.sergey-osetrov.narod.ru/Projects/Boiler/Clever_transformer_from_Zacarinin.pdf)
Good luck to you, in the ordeals of the search for truth.
Zacarinin is 1:1 transformer. Very peculiar.
But nobody claimed any OU from it.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 10, 2022, 02:58:10 AM
Zacarinin is 1:1 transformer. Very peculiar.
But nobody claimed any OU from it.
Cheers,
Pix
pix, what your education is?
Sergey Borisovich is a peculiar fellow. EMF transfer coefficient, called the indicator of power transfer from the first circuit to the second. I like his humor. He gave enough data to calculate the real picture.
Not a single "quarter-wave radio operator" has done this on Russian-language forums. And Sergei Borisovich's joke was taken for granted.
But maybe Sergey Borisovich was absolutely right. His device is not a converter, but an inductor. An
electrostatic inductor, the task of which is to polarize to a potential difference, a wire in the second circuit? The electrostatic inductor is a revolution that destroys all modern concepts of energy, including Free Energy.
His data: 1 ampere and 4 volts in the secondary circuit under load, on the graph the amplitude value, voltage with an already completed drop of 4 volts, in the primary and secondary circuits. Source resistance 50 Ohm. These data are sufficient to make an elementary calculation. Without taking into account the resistance of the primary winding and the metal rod of the secondary circuit.
In the attachment
So here is my opinion, that no power is transferred in the Cunning Transformer, this is a vivid example of an electrostatic induction device on a conductor in an electric field. The current is the result of work in the second circuit, with a drop, and in the primary circuit it is simply a reflection of the connection between the electric field of the reactor and the conductor.
Trust can only be verified. At least check the calculation or the original data.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 10, 2022, 04:12:02 AM
pix, what your education is?
My education is enough to know that a crank mechanical press is not OU ;D
Regarding Zacarinin transformer- how do you measure Pin and Pout at kHZ frequencies ? By lamp brightness? The only proper way to measure Pout is by calorimetric measure of rectified current.
So many OU devices here, but surprisingly I don't see any one of them around me. ;D
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 10, 2022, 08:43:02 AM
My education is enough to know that a crank mechanical press is not OU ;D
Regarding Zacarinin transformer- how do you measure Pin and Pout at kHZ frequencies ? By lamp brightness? The only proper way to measure Pout is by calorimetric measure of rectified current.
So many OU devices here, but surprisingly I don't see any one of them around me. ;D
Cheers,
Pix
Pix, you can convince the presence of OU or the opposite as much as you like, but numbers are a stubborn thing.
Just a slide and author's data. It is the business of skeptics to measure, but I see what the algorithm considers, based on Ohm's Law.
Good luck, everyone is in their own state of belief.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 10, 2022, 08:57:07 AM
Pix, you can convince the presence of OU or the opposite as much as you like, but numbers are a stubborn thing.
Just a slide and author's data. It is the business of skeptics to measure, but I see what the algorithm considers, based on Ohm's Law.
Good luck, everyone is in their own state of belief.
Even looking at the scope a hell lot of an OU there :D
Anyway, as I said- the only true measurement in such kHZ range is calorimetric measurement of dissipated power.
Zacarina "transformer" is known since 2008. It is easy to replicate.
Don't you think that if there would be any OU it would be everywhere already? Every Joe Sixpack would run it in the backyard?
And instead burning coal, gas and oil every industrial power plant would utilise a crank presses on the large scale? ;D
Ok, I am done. Enjoy your quest for a Holy Grail of Overunity.
I will go my way.
Cheers,
Pix
Without good measurement ( unless self run ?)
All is questionable!
And as Pix says ,Caloric is closest to ideal !
And simple!
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on June 10, 2022, 10:25:32 AM
Without good measurement ( unless self run ?)
All is questionable!
And as Pix says ,Caloric is closest to ideal !
And simple!
Respectfully
Chet K
Hello!
There, without calories, it is clear that the device is clearly interesting, and the author hid the source current (in all tests).
I always trust the calculation, and the light can be replaced with any other type of load.
The question of the device of this converter, and not how the light bulb is on.
Sincerely.
pix
QuoteRegarding Zacarinin transformer- how do you measure Pin and Pout at kHZ frequencies ? By lamp brightness? The only proper way to measure Pout is by calorimetric measure of rectified current.
I use often use a pump and dump or bucket brigade circuit to measure HV or when I need a 100% accurate measurement technique.
The method is as follows...
1)Place a capacitor(s) of know value C in series with the circuit to be measured.
2)When the capacitor reaches a predetermined value V switch the capacitor out of the circuit and discharge it.
3)We can flip-flop two parallel capacitors to maintain a near constant Voltage/Current in the circuit.
4)Since we know the capacitor value C and the voltage V we know the energy of each discharge cycle, Energy = 1/2CV^2.
5)The circuit is very simple and amounts to measuring a medium by filling a bucket of known value, dumping it and repeating the cycle.
6)If the Energy in the circuit alternates then a FWBR should be used before the capacitor circuit.
A capacitor is a natural integrator and doesn't care what the voltage, current, frequency or period of the electricity is... only the Energy.
I use a modified circuit to measure higher voltages from 10 to over 500kV. I charge a HV series capacitor and when it reaches a known voltage it breaks over a spark gap. We can calculate the spark gap break over voltage based on the gap distance. Since we know the start and final break out voltage we know the change in voltage and can apply the same Energy = 1/2CV^2 calculation. Then I simply use an external electrometer to measure the number of changes in voltage (spark gap discharge) from a safe distance.
So again, we periodically charge/discharge a capacitor of known value showing us the energy present per cycle then add the number of cycles per unit of time to show the total Energy. Think of it this way, HV, HF or HV transients, skin effects, UHF can fool even the best DSO or energy analyzers but not a capacitor.
Here we should try to understand the qualities of the circuit element in question. A capacitor represents a break in the path of conduction and only a displacement current may pass. Ergo, it must store every form of current we know of and integrate it's energy as a measurable voltage. It's basically foolproof and always shows us it's present energy state...
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on June 10, 2022, 12:07:09 PM
pix
So again, we periodically charge/discharge a capacitor of known value showing us the energy present per cycle then add the number of cycles per unit of time to show the total Energy. Think of it this way, HV, HF or HV transients, skin effects, UHF can fool even the best DSO or energy analyzers but not a capacitor.
AC
I also once suggested using an oscilloscope CRT instead of an expensive high-voltage differential probe. By simply connecting high voltage to the deflection plates, bypassing all the delicate electronics. Nobody has paid any attention to me.
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How difficult it is for you! Take four channels of the oscilloscope: input two channels - current and voltage, output two channels - current and voltage. One impulse can show the whole picture.
For direct current, a voltmeter and an ammeter for input and output are even simpler.
The problem is in the heads and unprofessionalism, and not in the ways to get the measurement result.
HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEM - Directly Related Information
For those that might still be interested in studying the Holcomb technology.
Video: How the Holcomb Energy System Works (With No Fuel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=241s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=241s)
Read the video comments and replies; some are quite interesting, including one regarding
Clemente Figuera's 1908 patent by *dillemburg*.
Being confortable that Holcomb's technology "plays" as advertised, the next phase begins.
Holcomb LinGen Driver Board
When time permits, a proper microprocessor based (STM32 series demo board with display) driver scheme
will be designed (using the same TI Eval Module and Littlefuse SiC's as the bench test setup).
But first lets see if the thing works with the bench test setup.
Since the Holcomb LinGen DRIVER circuits and board are quite technical, the
design will likely be posted at "All About Circuits" and include a parallel Forum
with the details, discussions, and what not. (might also use one of the other typical sites)
Keep an eye out there - should be named something like "Holcomb LinGen Driver."
From their Website: [you're likely familiar with it]
"All About Circuits is one of the world's largest and most active independent
online communities for electrical engineers."
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/about-us/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/about-us/)
Current Bench Test Driver Setup
For the partial bench tests (very brief) a couple of dual channel Juntek JDS-2900 Signal Generators (FG's)
drive TI (Texas Instruments) UCC21530EVM-286 Evaluation Modules (a SiC MOSFET driver board) which
in turn drives the Littlefuse SiC FETs (Silicone Carbide high speed, high voltage) which, in turn, feed the coils.
The JDS-2900 is quite versatile so various input signal combinations can be easily tried. Programmable Logic
Inputs from the Digilent Analog Discovery2 instrument also works well but it's logic level pulses only.
Hope to see you all over at "All About Circuits" for the Driver Test!
SL
Believe me, in order to understand how the system of Figuere, Holcomb, other patents, even the well-known synchronous mechanical generator, works, you need to understand the method of inducing the emf in the phase circuit. I've been on this since 2018. If everything goes further, the system will be as simple as a designer for a young electrician.
They come to me with questions. Everything is so logical and natural that there are only questions to the modern presentation of these issues of official science.
rakarskiy,
No, I don't believe you!
You will have to coherently write it up and demonstrate exactly how it all works or
simulate it using CAE and present it.
It can't be that hard for you to prove your claims and assertions.
"Believe me's" don't work for me anymore - they never did, actually...
SL
SolarLab - Thank you for attempting to bring this thread back to Holcomb's technology. I look forward to your posting on All About Circuits.
Would you please give me your opinion on Holcomb's timing sequence? Attached are pictures of his descriptions of the timing sequence of the 4 pole groups in a 16-pole "rotor" running at 60 Hz from patent US11336134B2 and patent application WO2021063522A1, both of which agree, as well as a drawing of my understanding of his descriptions. I infer that Figure 56 in WO2021063522A1, which is a timing sequence table, is more generic than the specific textual descriptions and is not meant to be relied on for specifics. Is my drawing of his timing a correct interpretation of his textual descriptions? Thanks.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 11, 2022, 03:20:14 PM
rakarskiy,
No, I don't believe you!
You will have to coherently write it up and demonstrate exactly how it all works or
simulate it using CAE and present it.
It can't be that hard for you to prove your claims and assertions.
"Believe me's" don't work for me anymore - they never did, actually...
SL
The most interesting thing is that I say the following: do not trust anyone, always check everything yourself. Math is not always true.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 11, 2022, 04:06:02 PM
The most interesting thing is that I say the following: do not trust anyone, always check everything yourself. Math is not always true.
rakarskiy,
So, does that mean you are going to coherently write-up and present your version of what (we) "you need to understand the method of inducing the emf in the phase circuit" so that "the system will be as simple as a designer for a young electrician."
Not only will the young electricians be thankful, but most here will appreciate it, as well.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 11, 2022, 04:56:32 PM
rakarskiy,
So, does that mean you are going to coherently write-up and present your version of what (we) "you need to understand the method of inducing the emf in the phase circuit" so that "the system will be as simple as a designer for a young electrician."
Not only will the young electricians be thankful, but most here will appreciate it, as well.
SL
this is exactly what I'm doing, but there is no point in publishing a working prototype yet
Today I discovered that part of my publication is hidden from the reader. I do not believe that someone did it on purpose, but the clarifying details and photos of the layout are hidden.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/04/electric-solid-state-generator.html?m=1
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 11, 2022, 04:00:26 PM
SolarLab - Thank you for attempting to bring this thread back to Holcomb's technology. I look forward to your posting on All About Circuits.
Would you please give me your opinion on Holcomb's timing sequence? Attached are pictures of his descriptions of the timing sequence of the 4 pole groups in a 16-pole "rotor" running at 60 Hz from patent US11336134B2 and patent application WO2021063522A1, both of which agree, as well as a drawing of my understanding of his descriptions. I infer that Figure 56 in WO2021063522A1, which is a timing sequence table, is more generic that the specific textual descriptions and is not meant to be relied on for specifics. Is my drawing of his timing a correct interpretation of his textual descriptions? Thanks.
Beginners Mind,
Haven't studied that part of Holcomb's patent in any detail (focused on the Linear Generator part) so I'm not of much help.
You do bring to light the possibility of "bi-polar" input signalling however!
That's part of the incentive for designing a versatile programmable Driver. There are likely many combinations of sequences that might prove interesting.
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 11, 2022, 05:03:01 PM
this is exactly what I'm doing, but there is no point in publishing a working prototype yet
Today I discovered that part of my publication is hidden from the reader. I do not believe that someone did it on purpose, but the clarifying details and photos of the layout are hidden.
Great, looking forward to seeing your completed/preliminary work.
Good luck and best regards,
SL
Thank you SolarLab. Would you mind posting the reference for the Holcomb Linear Generator? I have missed it. The patents I have studied all discuss geometries with circular "rotors" and stators. Very much appreciated.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 11, 2022, 05:18:43 PM
Thank you SolarLab. Would you mind posting the reference for the Holcomb Linear Generator? I have missed it. The patents I have studied all discuss geometries with circular "rotors" and stators. Very much appreciated.
Work on evaluating the Holcomb concept began around the end of March 2022.Here are some links [probably missed a few] related to the analysis evolution:
Initial thoughts (applications, etc. 2022-04-05)https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98375#msg98375 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98375#msg98375)
Patent link (initial target patent):https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
Preliminary field roll tests:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98891#msg98891 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98891#msg98891)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98892#msg98892 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98892#msg98892)
Magnetic Field Gain simulation tests:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908)
Flat Solid-State Rotor WO 2018 134233 Holcomb:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965)
Simulation Configuration (various and corrected timing?):https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977)
Timing:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99028#msg99028 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99028#msg99028)
Brassboard and CAE results:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114)
Bench Test Driver:https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99201#msg99201 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99201#msg99201)
Hope some of these are helpful!
Good Luck and regards,
SL
Tremendous! Thank you.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 11, 2022, 05:55:11 PM
Work on evaluating the Holcomb concept began around the end of March 2022.
Here are some links [probably missed a few] related to the analysis evolution:
Initial thoughts (applications, etc. 2022-04-05)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98375#msg98375 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98375#msg98375)
Patent link (initial target patent):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
Preliminary field roll tests:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98891#msg98891 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98891#msg98891)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98892#msg98892 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98892#msg98892)
Magnetic Field Gain simulation tests:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908)
Flat Solid-State Rotor WO 2018 134233 Holcomb:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965)
Simulation Configuration (various and corrected timing?):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977)
Timing:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99028#msg99028 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99028#msg99028)
Brassboard and CAE results:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114)
Bench Test Driver:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99201#msg99201 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99201#msg99201)
Hope some of these are helpful!
Good Luck and regards,
SL
This is amazing titanic work!!
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.
But there are a couple of notes.
Firstly, to calculate the design, it is necessary to calculate two power circuits: magnetic and electric, which are connected to each other in the generator, like twin brothers.
(it is necessary to calculate the pulses in the circuits of the generator, idle and full power according to the amplitude connected to the load generator. Calculate the possibility of docking the manifested magnetic field: the excitation circuit and the power circuit. There are two magnetic fields in the magnetic circuit. I have not seen this. Not news for a designer, this is how a synchronous electromechanical generator is calculated. A solid-state generator is no different in this matter. A rotating magnetic field!)
Secondly: the electronic control circuit, without taking into account the change in the inductance of the electromagnet coil, at the moment of the impulse, is very likely to be erroneous. If you do not know exactly how changes work in the dynamics, a magnetic circuit, an electric circuit, in their complex configuration, it is reckless to set control tasks, in my opinion. The control system must be possible, both on analog elements and with digital programming.
Sorry for such a short lesson, but first you had to get acquainted with the discipline, the design of electrical generators. When you get deeper you will find it. such an element that will be incomprehensible to you in space, how is the EMF induced in the wire. I am still open this question. I see the mechanism but do not find its explanation in physics. They skip this moment, and that's all here according to such initial output parameters.
Good luck to you!
I won't interfere and object anymore, I always follow the rule "every seeker has the right to his own rake"
I moved my publication drawing and photo hopefully will be available.
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/ssg_ukraine/3-1-0-98
Actually
I had mentioned this effort from Solarlab and friends
Should have its own board ( even for the simulation technology discussion )
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
I did PM a while back this suggestion !
Hi ramset,
Got your PM but, before responding, wanted to step back and look at the bigger picture.
After a long chat with our local "boat electrician" and his "professional web designer" wife,
a few very good considerations came to light.
A big consideration is exposure - she felt the Marina website was not the best option since
boaters would amount to only a small portion of the impacted group - to quote: "This thing
is bigger than a few thousand boaters, it touches everything!"
Anyway, one consideration is a site like "allaboutcircuits.com (ACC)." 500,000+ Members,
4M+ visits a month, 1.2M+ forum posts, in 100+ countries; plus, its crawling with professional
engineers and designers. This also keeps the whole thing open-source and in the public domain.
However, the down side is, like here and most other places, there will be everything from the
doubters to the hard core pseudo experts who know it's impossible and can't be done (would
have been done already, bla bla bla).
So, ENTER the "FRAY," but do it from a "Geez, this is interesting - wonder if it works (a skeptic
but with the 'curse-of-the-ever-curious')."
Well then, what do we need to do to "check this Holcomb stuff out?" Ah ha, a prototype, everyone
knows that part. Oh yea, a "COIL DRIVER" circuit, a few metal cuts with the mill, and some wire
(shouldn't take more than a few hours).
Wait, maybe we should see if it shows any "signs of life" using some CAE Magnetics simulation,
even optimize the "Wild Ass Guess (WAG)" design to some extent! Hey, good idea, any volunteer
experts want to be a part of history?
Now, hopefully, I've explained the AAC approach to some extent - enter the fray proposing a
DRIVER board design. What's it going to be used for again? Oh, that's right, to prototype and
test an Excess Energy Generator (HES) some Doctor, down the beach a ways, conjured up!
Good idea... Lets do it!
SL
Solarlab,
There's a fly in the ointment. Number 1 restriction
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/user-agreement/
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They don't want anything to do with OU
Quote from: Cadman on June 12, 2022, 03:15:04 PM
Solarlab,
There's a fly in the ointment. Number 1 restriction
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/user-agreement/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/user-agreement/)
Restricted topics. The following topics are considered "out of bounds" and will result in your thread being closed without question:
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They don't want anything to do with OU
LOL... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Sacred Inquisition of Sciences
...Furthermore...any heretics caught in the act to post anything related to overunity, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of our Laws...The Laws of the Sacred Inquisition of Sciences...
Consequences could even end up by being burnt in our "purifying flames" so they can make it to heavens...
Great find Cadman...LOL...I read they were mentioning that site, and thought it was another one of Open minded forums ...but I have been there before...and I know their "Laws".
Keep looking, do not loose your "Faith"...LOL
Regards
Ufopolitics
Cadman
That's Called
"Inspiration "
This is the only one after looking for a clean and real forum , free from trolls and people ready to share and where money is not and interference, good inventors and researchers are welcome, one you enter you enter a family is up to you. Thanks.
https://www.beyondunity.org
Quote from: Cadman on June 12, 2022, 03:15:04 PM
Solarlab,
There's a fly in the ointment. Number 1 restriction
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/user-agreement/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/user-agreement/)
Restricted topics. The following topics are considered "out of bounds" and will result in your thread being closed without question:
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They don't want anything to do with OU
Cadman,Thanks, yea I saw that when reviewing their authors information, can only
imagine why they would implement such a restriction 8)
That's why a "back door" approach will be attempted - it's a Driver Board
needed to test a patent application claim re: rolling magnetic fields and
magnetic field increases using ferromagnetics, etc..
Once the box (Pandora's) has been opened - oh well...
(Also, some pretty strict laws in our state now w.r.t. censorship)
Hey, I was born at night - but it just wasn't last night! ;D
[Grassley]
SL
fer123
QuoteThis is the only one after looking for a clean and real forum , free from trolls and people ready to share and where money is not and interference, good inventors and researchers are welcome, one you enter you enter a family is up to you. Thanks.
https://www.beyondunity.org
Many here including myself tried that website but the "family" ergo cult like atmosphere and dogma didn't sit well with most. It reminded me of the Trump/far right narrative where were all just one big happy family, until your not obedient or disagree, then your the enemy bs.
As well, many found out the hard way the admins definition of "troll" basically meant any concept or narrative not aligned with there personal flavor of dogma. Don't get me wrong it's wonderful if one wants to jump head first into a rabbit hole of false beliefs but it's not for most individuals or free thinkers.
Family?... I like that and it reminds me of the Netflix series "Queen of the South". It's a series about a drug cartel where everyone is brainwashed into believing family is about unquestionable loyalty to a leader. Of course, in fact it's really about people being naive enough to believe it's actually about family as they get thrown under the bus to feed the psychotic leaders want for more wealth and power.
I like Holcombs attitude and he is a real inventor like Tesla in my opinion. Any fool can have a belief but to make it a reality despite the impossible odds against it... requires a real man.
Regards
AC
AC,
WTf?
SL
Friends! Your position is clear. Do you want to get a platform with a million audience.
You are fools, everything belongs to the system, it watches over everything.
These restrictions are not imposed by chance. There is such a term "closed technologies".
Do you have any idea why Holcomb's patent slipped through? The system takes his technology under control.
Remember the technology of Joe Flynn, USA (similar in Russia, engineer Kornilov from the city of Rostov-on-Don).
(Both are closed. Flynn works purely on orders from the US government, Kornilov tragically died in December 2021)
The capabilities of the technology, Italian craftsmen, demonstrated in this video https://youtu.be/nzVXAm_ONIk
(Pay attention to the temperature measurement in the generator and Flynn's motor at the end of the experiment. This is for those who like to measure in calories)
And now I gave a link a couple of posts above: http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/ssg_ukraine/3-1-0-98
They wrote to me that they could not open it, the link leads to the "contents" page
Indeed (I figured it out) if you open this material in different browsers, this material is not available. In "Opera (https://www.opera.com/)" it is available to me 144 different articles, where the material is not available 140. I myself am surprised. But I am pleased that now I will know what kind of materials, which the system does not want to propagate.
Today, I duplicated https://rakarskiy.livejournal.com/19384.html on another resource, let's see.
Advice, just go about your business with high quality, without regard to the audience.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 11, 2022, 01:27:19 PM
HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEM - Directly Related Information
For those that might still be interested in studying the Holcomb technology.
Video: How the Holcomb Energy System Works (With No Fuel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=241s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=241s)
Read the video comments and replies; some are quite interesting, including one regarding
Clemente Figuera's 1908 patent by *dillemburg*.
Being confortable that Holcomb's technology "plays" as advertised, the next phase begins.
Holcomb LinGen Driver Board
When time permits, a proper microprocessor based (STM32 series demo board with display) driver scheme
will be designed (using the same TI Eval Module and Littlefuse SiC's as the bench test setup).
But first lets see if the thing works with the bench test setup.
Since the Holcomb LinGen DRIVER circuits and board are quite technical, the
design will likely be posted at "All About Circuits" and include a parallel Forum
with the details, discussions, and what not. (might also use one of the other typical sites)
Keep an eye out there - should be named something like "Holcomb LinGen Driver."
From their Website: [you're likely familiar with it]
"All About Circuits is one of the world's largest and most active independent
online communities for electrical engineers."
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/about-us/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/about-us/)
Current Bench Test Driver Setup
For the partial bench tests (very brief) a couple of dual channel Juntek JDS-2900 Signal Generators (FG's)
drive TI (Texas Instruments) UCC21530EVM-286 Evaluation Modules (a SiC MOSFET driver board) which
in turn drives the Littlefuse SiC FETs (Silicone Carbide high speed, high voltage) which, in turn, feed the coils.
The JDS-2900 is quite versatile so various input signal combinations can be easily tried. Programmable Logic
Inputs from the Digilent Analog Discovery2 instrument also works well but it's logic level pulses only.
Hope to see you all over at "All About Circuits" for the Driver Test!
SL
Eureka! :D
Dr. Holcomb invented magnetic permeability and made an groundbreaking find that ferromagnetic materials do amplify magnetic fields.
Principle used for over 2 centuries in every transformer, motor, generator and solenoid coil :o
Listen, put it into your Tesla car or Prius and mileage will be up to 5 times.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 13, 2022, 04:55:33 AM
Eureka! :D
Dr. Holcomb invented magnetic permeability and made an groundbreaking find that ferromagnetic materials do amplify magnetic fields.
Principle used for over 2 centuries in every transformer, motor, generator and solenoid coil :o
Listen, put it into your Tesla car or Prius and mileage will be up to 5 times.
Cheers,
Pix
Pix, Holcomb didn't invent magnetic permeability, it's in any physics textbook (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html)!
QuoteFor the first time this term is found in the work of Werner Siemens "Beiträge zur Theorie des Elektromagnetismus" ("Contribution to the theory of electromagnetism") published in 1881
The magnetic permeability of a material cannot be invented. Can be opened, studied, described and used in engineering design.
Dr. Holcomb, correctly made an engineering calculation, built a working solid-state generator with COP<1.
Such a small thing that you are tense here, even blushed.
Your health!
Quote from: Cadman on June 12, 2022, 03:15:04 PM
Solarlab,
There's a fly in the ointment. Number 1 restriction
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They don't want anything to do with OU
Because it's still not demonstrated scientifically, concretely and systematically, there's a lot of theory, claims, farfetched ideas and youtube though.
Rakarsky is doing it right by building understanding with facts and science. H2OPower did the same and succeeded, EMJunkie too and gave us a basic poc to try out.
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 07:40:10 AM
Because it's still not demonstrated scientifically, concretely and systematically, there's a lot of theory, claims, farfetched ideas and youtube though.
Rakarsky is doing it right by building understanding with facts and science. H2OPower did the same and succeeded, EMJunkie too and gave us a basic poc to try out.
Thanks for the rating, but I'm writing to understand the original data.
Why didn't designers think of this sooner?
All that is needed at the initial stage: calculation of the stator, an electric synchronous generator, with the necessary starting magnetic flux from the rotor, during mechanical rotation. Here the steel grade of the stator core is selected.
When the initial ones are ready, select the configuration of the electromagnets for switching - to provide a starting magnetic flux, at a level that a traditional electromagnetic rotor gives.
Next, work out the electrical control circuit so that the magnetic flux of the simultaneously turned on pole magnets is uneven, simulating the plane of the rotor pole, to form a sinusoidal signal. Next comes the switching algorithm.
Once all this is done, your design, according to Holcomb and common sense, will be ready.
Sincerely.
PS
This is not scientific proof, this is purely engineering work of the designer!
Dear Rakarsky, what is this video talking about?
https://youtu.be/weWqr0UlJhI (https://youtu.be/weWqr0UlJhI)
And where did the respected Slobodyan find a motor П11М with eight poles and coils?
I have such a motor. It has only four poles, four stator windings and two brushes.
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 07:40:10 AM
Because it's still not demonstrated scientifically, concretely and systematically, there's a lot of theory, claims, farfetched ideas and youtube though.
Rakarsky is doing it right by building understanding with facts and science. H2OPower did the same and succeeded, EMJunkie too and gave us a basic poc to try out.
Please, do not be so naive Alan!!
None of these Machines could ever be "demostrated scientifically, concretely and systematically"
Many have tried to do just that...and have failed.
Many superb Scientists, Experimenters, Builders, very smart people!!
Did you ever read Walter Russell??
Did you know he also powered his entire buildings with his Self Running Generator?
Did you know that He had direct contacts even with the President of the US at his time?
He got to "demonstrate a working machine to NORAD and POTUS.
Did you ever read about his Generator machine?
Russell was more than capacitated to demonstrate it scientifically...He was beyond what billions of mortals are capable off...
On top of all He was also a Painter and a Sculptor...and an EXCELLENT one, not just a "typical" common one.
Quote
In the fall of 1959, General Chapman, Colonel Fry, Major Sargent, Major Cripe, and others from NORAD in Colorado Springs, attended a meeting at Swannanoa, Virginia (University of Science and Philosophy) at the invitation of Walter Russell. At this meeting Russell explained the workings of a device he proposed to build to take advantage of the vacuum state energy, and the two directional movement of energy from gravitation, (generation), to radiation, (degeneration). During the following year Russell, his wife, Lao, and their assistants built the device. The prototype that was built consisted of two sets of dual and magnetically-sexed coils. On September 10, 1961, Walter and Lao Russell reported to their contacts at NORAD, that the coils had worked and that the President of the United States could announce to the world that a "greater, safer power than atomic energy" could be provided for industry and transportation. After giving the device over to the U.S. Government, Dr. Russell refolded a year and a half later on May 19, 1963. The Russell Optic Dynamo-Generator was never released to the public.
From: RexResearch/Russell (http://www.rexresearch.com/russellcoil/russellcoil.htm)
And so, many others have tried...Newman even built a huge Motor, mount it on a Flatbed Truck and carried it to Washington, for the Patent Examiners to review it...it never happened, Patent was never granted...He had to go to South Africa to obtain a Patent!!
These were "just two examples" (Russell and Newman)...I have hundreds of them!!!
Please, read FE History before writing here "so lightly"...it really shows your knowledge inexperience related to Free Energy, Overunity and Motion Perpetual Systems History...
No offense intended on this post...just rectifying wrong assumptions...
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
Russell Optic Dynamo-Generator (Year?≈1959-1961)
"We have proven the validity of our concept by making a simple small scale working model which is now supplying all the heat, light and power needed for our four story 52 room University. Our reactor generates much more power than needed for whatever purpose intended, so enough of that surplus is taken off from its generator to motivate the reactor in perpetuity."
"It is needless to say that such a simple, mobile, light and power producing machine would not only effect the whole world-economy, but would be the first step in bringing abundance of the necessities for human existence to every nation on the face of this earth."
- Walter and Lao Russell
http://www.philosophy.org/russell-optic-dynamo-generator.html (https://href.li/?http://www.philosophy.org/russell-optic-dynamo-generator.html)
Hi Ufopolitics
Most scientists and engineers don't want to waste their time on it because they "know" for sure it's not possible. IF it is possible they can only be reached with a minimalistic working model and principle that quickly convinces and conveys understanding, that the errors of EE-EM theory become apparent.
Haven't heard of Russel, has anyone managed to decipher his theory and apply it into a working ou device?
I think free energy is in the potential, potentials can do work which is conceptualized as force fields, work is done without any input. Bearden correctly said "don't kill the dipole!" - because the E-field drives the current and not the separated charges, they make the E-field - & "freely regauge your potentials asymmetrically". Feedback of Lenz on a primary coil is caused by symmetry.
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Hi Ufopolitics
Hello,
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Most scientists and engineers don't want to waste their time on it because they "know" for sure it's not possible.
I will rephrase your statement above...
"Most Scientists and Engineers do not want to get involved with "it" because they are all aware of the consequences to their reputation"
However,
they sure are all aware it is possible.Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
IF it is possible they can only be reached with a minimalistic working model and principle that quickly convinces and conveys understanding, that the errors of EE-EM theory become apparent.
A "minimalistic working model and principle"??...that simple Uh?
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Haven't heard of Russel, has anyone managed to decipher his theory and apply it into a working ou device?
I figured that you never heard of Russell ...and nope, the State "miraculously" disappeared all evidence about this Generator...
Have you heard of Dr Moray device?
Of Ed Gray Motor?
Of Johnson 300HP Electric Motor?
See, all the above were Overunity GALORE Devices...
As all of the above "miraculously" also disappeared...
Have you consider what just one single OU Device, recognized by Science, would do to our Global (Planet wise) Economy alone?
Not including the Scientific CRISIS that such device will cause?
Quote from: alan on June 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
that the errors of EE-EM theory become apparent.
Hahahaha...Do you really think it is that "simple"??!!
Yes, sure... "Science will "recognize" it has been wrong in EE and EM Theories for over 230 Years"??!! ;D
Alan, I am sorry, but there is a LOT of research you still need to do, before continuing posting so "lightly made comments"...
Just my advice.
Regards
Ufopolitics
What's cold electricity?
https://web.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-042914-113726/unrestricted/MQP_FINAL_4.pdf
Another Approach
This idea was also discussed at our get-together the other night.
Simply build a few devices (Holcomb LinGen) and lease them to
Motel and other Resort owners. Then it all becomes a Win Win;
plus a revenue source for building more devices.
Low profile, under the radar, and no foolishness! Lots of fun as well;
visiting exotic places, with a purpose. The owners would love what
you're bringing them - probably even get a free lunch and drinks...
a low stress win-win.
This one is awful attractive I have to admit - IMHO.
Not sure the world can be saved at this point anyway - or if it
even is really worth saving. Hmmm - thinking - thinking.....
SL
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
More than you know...
[they call me John; John G. - (Atlas Shrugged)]
You have been given "more than you know"
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993)
SL
Was a fellow years back ... that was also of similar moniker and sir name !
Back when Archer Q made his claim!
The world is not toast yet ...
We should try our best !!
And we ( open source community) are not lacking in people resources of all sciences and skill sets !
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: SolarLab on June 13, 2022, 01:02:12 PM
More than you know...
[they call me John; John G. - (Atlas Shrugged)]
You have been given "more than you know"
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993)
SL
The Ainsley circuit looks like a flyback - not bEMF - capture circuit, how can it be ou?
self-induction work = flyback work
coil for coil its analogous to a pulsed DC transformer. (dc -> a/c converter)
Heres the fun part:
Because the coils fire in order (no diff between circular or linear array):
The field collapse of the secondary induces a kickback (flyback) charge opposite the polarity.
Ok so, coil #2 fires and look to the left: 2x potential
Its a really weird voltage multiplier.
Not seeing "OU", but it does seem interesting, and could prove useful for tech.
(Hyper Dynamo?)
Quote from: SolarLab on June 13, 2022, 12:37:41 PM
Another Approach
This idea was also discussed at our get-together the other night.
Simply build a few devices (Holcomb LinGen) and lease them to
Motel and other Resort owners. Then it all becomes a Win Win;
plus a revenue source for building more devices.
Low profile, under the radar, and no foolishness! Lots of fun as well;
visiting exotic places, with a purpose. The owners would love what
you're bringing them - probably even get a free lunch and drinks...
a low stress win-win.
This one is awful attractive I have to admit - IMHO.
Not sure the world can be saved at this point anyway - or if it
even is really worth saving. Hmmm - thinking - thinking.....
SL
this idea appeals most. No regulators. One on one relationship with customer. Slowly get it out there.
@ rakarskiy
The capabilities of the technology, Italian craftsmen, demonstrated in this video [/size]https://youtu.be/nzVXAm_ONIk (https://youtu.be/nzVXAm_ONIk)[/font][/size]
check out this video too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaPV7gqFaE&t=49s
its a very good test on the parallel path MK12 motor vs asynchronous
Mike
I want to note that the topic is about the current OverUnity generator. Device for obtaining energy due to electromagnetic induction. To enhance the magnetic flux, a very common method of amplifying the magnetic flux in electrical steel due to magnetic permeability (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html) is used.
All that has been done, Dr. Holcomb, is to solve the original design: (replacement of the rotor) in a traditional electromagnetic synchronous generator with a constant source of magnetic flux (electromagnet), to a solid state design, with dynamic switching of the number of electromagnets, simulating the rotation of the magnetic poles of the rotor , traditional generator.
Please note that in a synchronous power generator, the dynamic rotor is replaced by a solid state one! There is no physical rotation of bodies, there is no physical speed.
It has been proven that the generator is not a device for converting mechanical energy (Pk=F*v) into electrical energy (Pe=I*U). If you look at the formulas, then this is a statement of modern science, education and the well-established concept of absurdity.
Brilliantly simple! The synchronous generator is the main source of electricity in electrical networks.
Even easier for a household, a small solid state generator is needed to replace a mini hydroelectric power station, a windmill or a solar panel complex.
I indicated an approximate algorithm of actions above ( https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568025/#msg568025 ). More details will be in my book, with the simplest option for manufacturing a collector-brush assembly. True, I believe that it is more efficient to emit not an internal rotor, but an external one. My calculations point to this construct.
Dr. Holcomb not only voiced and formalized the idea in patents, but also implemented it in numerous existing designs. In addition, his device is already in use at a commercial facility.
The question is, what else is needed to prove it? The trolls are brainwashing the townspeople! Even if they decide to do, they will have to study engineering design. This is at first glance a simple method, the method cannot be mastered without good knowledge and skills.
I am glad that Dr. Holcomb was able to realize this idea. I can't believe no one thought of this before.
Everyone, I bow.
Pointing this out again - since it's important to understanding yet another significant difference!
This is also quite evident when examining the CAE simulations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=7s)
One comment by "tgdyt2" and the "Holcomb" reply:
tgdyt2
2 months ago
Apparently in all your study of physics you never stumbled across this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
You can't create energy out of nothing. Something must be consumed/transformed. Electron "spin" itself
does not possess energy, and it if did, you would be taking it away, thus changing it, which could not be
perpetual. E=mc² Are you transforming matter into energy? You can't do that forever either.
Holcomb Energy Systems
2 months ago (edited)
All generators operate by taking advantage of this alignment mechanism. However, the standard generator
rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and then gets no further energy advantage from the
aligning process. In comparison, the HES aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns
and relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
Hey rakarskiy - good to see you're starting to figure it out, that's great! Looking forward to your book.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 14, 2022, 01:11:08 AM
...
Holcomb Energy Systems
2 months ago (edited)
All generators operate by taking advantage of this alignment mechanism. However, the standard generator
rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and then gets no further energy advantage from the
aligning process. In comparison, the HES aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns
and relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
...
SL
Hi SL,
All AC generators align (realign) the magnetic domains in the majority of the field magnetic circuit at electrical frequency. That's why they use electrical grade steel (having low hysteresis loss).
If one desires to have both the stator and rotor develop a rotating magnetic field (RMF) independently from each other, and independent of mechanical speed, look at Doubly Fed Induction Machines.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on June 14, 2022, 01:11:08 AM
Pointing this out again - since it's important to understanding yet another significant difference!
This is also quite evident when examining the CAE simulations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM&t=7s)
One comment by "tgdyt2" and the "Holcomb" reply:
tgdyt2
2 months ago
Apparently in all your study of physics you never stumbled across this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
You can't create energy out of nothing. Something must be consumed/transformed. Electron "spin" itself
does not possess energy, and it if did, you would be taking it away, thus changing it, which could not be
perpetual. E=mc² Are you transforming matter into energy? You can't do that forever either.
Holcomb Energy Systems
2 months ago (edited)
All generators operate by taking advantage of this alignment mechanism. However, the standard generator
rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and then gets no further energy advantage from the
aligning process. In comparison, the HES aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns
and relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
Hey rakarskiy - good to see you're starting to figure it out, that's great! Looking forward to your book.
SL
Hello SolarLab!
The Law of Conservation of Energy does not work in any way in a solid state generator system. In reality, there still need to limit the input power.
Magnetism and electricity, in no way can be tied to physical mass and physical speed. Above, I gave two power formulas - mechanical and electrical.
This is the paradox of the device, a synchronous mechanical or solid-state generator. In terms of input of electrical excitation power and output of useful amplified power to the consumer, mechanical and solid-state generators are almost identical. We excite with less power, we get more. The amplifier is the ability of the "magnetic flux" to accelerate - in the electrical steel material.
For example, if the magnetic "conductivity" of the magnetic flow of air is 1, then the magnetic "conductivity" of electrical steel is up to 4000.
What's this? This is superconductivity relative to the conductivity of air in a vacuum. Correctly called magnetic permeability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism)). But this is the initial parameter, then there is magnetic saturation. With a drop in magnetic permeability and an increase in magnetic intensity, the conductivity decreases and the calculation of magnetic saturation (magnetic induction). Magnetic induction has a limit to this saturation, so pushing in more to get more will not work.
This is a good couple of chapters. Although everything is in the academic textbooks of physics. This is not a closed science, it is taught in all specialized educational institutions.
Sincerely.
There is no need to rotate the magnetic field! It doesn't do anything.
The only reason for this construction is the use of magnets or the desire to create a pure sine wave.
Hey Fellows, relax... take a Valium or have a beer...
Take it up with the Inventor, the Simulation results or the preliminary bench tests.
Have you all done any of these? (My bet is NO! Blowing smoke and real work are different.)
Regards,
SL
Hi all,
From the start, I thought this HES concept was nothing more than a common 3-phase dynamo at stall, including the instant of starting induction motors across the mains just prior to rotation commencing, and even during locked rotor test and overload stalls. These situations have been studied and modelled for years by experts. To my knowledge there has never been a reported overunity or anomalous energy occurrence. The majority of such machines are cage rotor types. But the doubly fed Induction Machines, as used for wind turbines, and slip ring induction motors have access to rotor power directly. So here's my question to anybody. How is HES different from a slip ring induction motor at stall?
Attached is a snapshot showing the device. The rotor can be locked and starting resistors considered the load. Therefore the 3-phase mains provide a RMF thru the stator inducing the stationary rotor and its windings which delivers power to the load while nothing moves (no copper or steel, just magnetic field and electric charge.
Thanks.
bi
https://engineeringslab.com/tutorial_electrical/starting-of-slip-ring-induction-motors-797.htm
I confirm. I have such a thing.
I'll definitely try tomorrow.
Cool. Be careful.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 14, 2022, 11:31:39 AM
Hi all,
From the start, I thought this HES concept was nothing more than a common 3-phase dynamo at stall, including the instant of starting induction motors across the mains just prior to rotation commencing, and even during locked rotor test and overload stalls. These situations have been studied and modelled for years by experts. To my knowledge there has never been a reported overunity or anomalous energy occurrence. The majority of such machines are cage rotor types. But the doubly fed Induction Machines, as used for wind turbines, and slip ring induction motors have access to rotor power directly. So here's my question to anybody. How is HES different from a slip ring induction motor at stall?
Attached is a snapshot showing the device. The rotor can be locked and starting resistors considered the load. Therefore the 3-phase mains provide a RMF thru the stator inducing the stationary rotor and its windings which delivers power to the load while nothing moves (no copper or steel, just magnetic field and electric charge.
Thanks.
bi
https://engineeringslab.com/tutorial_electrical/starting-of-slip-ring-induction-motors-797.htm (https://engineeringslab.com/tutorial_electrical/starting-of-slip-ring-induction-motors-797.htm)
That's what I was saying from my very first post on this forum.
One correction- in slip ring motor lock rotor , disconnect resistors and feed balanced 3 phase signal to slip rings.
Result will be exactly the same like in Holcomb, without all that switching BS.
Locked rotor windings will create rotating B field , inducing currents in stator windings. No mechanical movement.
Quote from: pix on June 14, 2022, 12:58:59 PM
That's what I was saying from my very first post on this forum.
One correction- in slip ring motor lock rotor , disconnect resistors and feed balanced 3 phase signal to slip rings.
Result will be exactly the same like in Holcomb, without all that switching BS.
Locked rotor windings will create rotating B field , inducing currents in stator windings. No mechanical movement.
Yep, I hear you.
No need for your correction. The stator makes the RMF. What's the difference if it's on the inside or outside? I see none. Still no mechanical movement.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 14, 2022, 01:38:41 PM
Yep, I hear you.
No need for your correction. The stator makes the RMF. What's the difference if it's on the inside or outside? I see none. Still no mechanical movement.
bi
Correct.
My intention was to mimick Holcomb's way, where locked rotor serves as rotating B field source and AC motor stator as generator of currents. Easier for believers.
Cheers,
Pix
Dear Fellows,
thank you all for your awesome research and work, very much appreciated.
I am wondering If someone could give me a clue, or point me to a direction where to look, what values Holcomb
is using for a single coil on his Salient Pole Rotor?
I've read and searched his patents, but I can't find any word about how much (milli) Henry and Copper Resistance
one of his coils has. Only the mention of 20V and 6amps I could find his Patent (US20190238011A1).
I would really like to know, what Time Constant τ (Tau) = L/R or rather Cutoff frequency he is driving.
And so If he is driving a coil in saturation or not?
Due to the structure of his Salient Pole Rotor, the coils go almost down to its center, it hints that he has created a relatively low inductor, with
a high Copper resistance but with relatively low number of turns. -> Higher Cutoff frequency
But then, he uses this 3.2 Ohms Resistor on his excitation board, which hints to a none saturation measurement, and without it, it would drive the coil
into saturation.
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Semi
Magnetic Gain and Domain Alignment-Relaxation
There seems to still be some confusion regarding the magnetic domain alignment, relaxation,
and re-alignment. The animated gif attached clearly shows the differences. Other animations
also exist in the previous link list.
*Apparently an animated gif can not be attached or will not work on this forum... Oh well.
If I recall correctly, that's why I went elsewhere to post. Pretty much done here anyway...
The link to the gif: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901)
Three materials are simulated; ST37, polycarbonate and Steel 1008. ST37 has magnetic gain as well
as aligns, fully relaxes, then realigns. Polycarbonate has no gain but does align and relax. Steel 1008
has some gain but does not fully align nor fully relax. Legends of the isoline values are present on the RH side.
Complete alignment, complete relaxation and complete re-alignment occurs every 2 milliseconds in
the animation. Holcomb refers to this occuring every 4 milliseconds in his patent.
This gif viewer is good for stopping or slowing the animation:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/)
A full report is also attached. Note the coil windings, current, timing, etc. are exactly same
for all three poles.
Hope this will help clearing up any misconceptions.
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 13, 2022, 01:06:36 AM
platform with a million audience.
the system, - it watches over everything.
Yes it does. - adult sites too.and it doesn't make it much more or less visited.
it is a need to know or need to see that drives people into convincing particular webpage .
so all you need is to be convincing, and assisted with some money for advertising .
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 13, 2022, 01:06:36 AM
Russia, engineer Kornilov from the city of Rostov-on-Don died in December 2021
Flynn //...motor
Kapanadze, SR, Anonimus, Akula?, Stanley Meyer, and hundreds of others are dead.
I was lucky to escape.
recipe: don't bother to show too much,
People lost their lives not because
they had FE,
but because they were convincing - some others didn't want you to talk about.
for example :
Russian government is not made from physicists, Pres. Putin doesn't use computer,
country is based on selling gas and oil.it is not in their interest to have people experimenting with Free Energy
In United States you must be much more convincing as cost of energy is not that critically impacting population.
but I don't take a conspiracy theory for granted. :)
people from corrupted countries tends to believe that everything around is corrupt,
interesting is that the link to your website is posted on
livejournal.com which is the most corrupted the most controlled by
Russian FSB Roskomnadzor (RKN) (Russian: Роскомнадзор [РКН]) , regime institutions.
the forefront of Russian propaganda.
Here is a link:
https://rakarskiyhttps://rakarskiy.livejournal.com/19384.html/19384.html (https://rakarskiyhttps://rakarskiy.livejournal.com/19384.html/19384.html)
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 13, 2022, 01:06:36 AM
if you open this material in different browsers, this material is not available.
In "Opera (https://www.opera.com/)" it is available to me 144 different articles, where the material is not available 140. I myself am surprised.
thank you for that information will check it out.
question: isn't it related to the geographic area you will writing from?
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Good time!
Everything is "corrupt", resources from the USA follow closed technologies no less than in other countries. It is a global system managed from a single cent.
Ukraine also ignores and controls the progress of OU systems and shuts them down.
If you take my Google blog https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/electric-solid-state-generator-tg.html (half of the text is not available)
Moved to the page https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ssgukraine.html on the same blog
I have not suffered from persecution mania for a long time. I make several information channels. Even if it will be the site of the predictor itself, I don't care, the main thing is to post it.
Sincerely.
PS
Much more convincing. https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
The question is that a patent is not enough for the production and sale of this device in the United States, certification and an agreement with the system are needed: what is possible, what is not.
Above in the text, we have already analyzed what the letter "B" at the end of the patent is - examination, this is enough to understand what the system is.
United Nations. Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 19
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom
to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas
by any means and regardless of frontiers."
Quote from: SolarLab on June 14, 2022, 05:25:23 PM
Magnetic Gain and Domain Alignment-Relaxation
There seems to still be some confusion regarding the magnetic domain alignment, relaxation,
and re-alignment. The animated gif attached clearly shows the differences. Other animations
also exist in the previous link list.
*Apparently an animated gif can not be attached or will not work on this forum... Oh well.
If I recall correctly, that's why I went elsewhere to post. Pretty much done here anyway...
The link to the gif: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901)
Three materials are simulated; ST37, polycarbonate and Steel 1008. ST37 has magnetic gain as well
as aligns, fully relaxes, then realigns. Polycarbonate has no gain but does align and relax. Steel 1008
has some gain but does not fully align nor fully relax. Legends of the isoline values are present on the RH side.
Complete alignment, complete relaxation and complete re-alignment occurs every 2 milliseconds in
the animation. Holcomb refers to this occuring every 4 milliseconds in his patent.
This gif viewer is good for stopping or slowing the animation:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/)
A full report is also attached. Note the coil windings, current, timing, etc. are exactly same
for all three poles.
Hope this will help clearing up any misconceptions.
SL
Much depends on the limiting frequency of remagnetization (hysteresis losses or eddy currents, this is when there is a residual field of the previous cycle in the core. And we are already forming a counter flow, if simple)
This is the main mistake of those who think that it is so easy to insert the stator of an induction motor to form a rotating excitation field. Or they do it on purpose to lead the layman into a dead end.
Very accessible about magnetization here
Solids/ferro.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Solids/ferro.html)
;)
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 15, 2022, 01:09:55 AM
[...]
This is the main mistake of those who think that it is so easy to insert the stator of an induction motor to form a rotating excitation field. Or they do it on purpose to lead the layman into a dead end.
[...]
@Rakarskiy
I see it exactly as you wrote above, on the
bold out statement.
Definitively we are dealing here with people who have proven to be "Knowledgeable of the Arts"...
And I, have explained to EXHAUSTION, the HUGE Differences between AC 3 Phase versus Holcomb...
But they "play" like they do not "understand" the differences...
And I know they know exactly the huge differences between a Three Pole, 2 stators, three tooth dc motor armature, versus a 20 poles, Four Stator, 28 tooth Rotor on the exact same motor principle...They know exactly which motor is more powerful and more effective.
So, yes, it is definitively on purpose, with the main objective to establish the same conclusion...a dead end, to create deception on these principles of static generation of energy...not only Holcomb.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 15, 2022, 08:54:29 AM
@Rakarskiy
I see it exactly as you wrote above, on the bold out statement.
Definitively we are dealing here with people who have proven to know about "the Arts"...
I have explained to EXHAUSTION, the HUGE Differences between AC 3 Phase versus Holcomb...
But they "play" like they do not "understand" the differences...
And I know they know exactly the huge differences between a Three Pole, 2 stators, three tooth dc motor armature, versus a 20 poles, Four Stator, 28 tooth Rotor on the exact same motor principle...They know exactly which motor is more powerful and more effective.
So, yes, it is definitively on purpose, with the main objective to establish the same conclusion...a dead end.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I assume that you refer to me. And you are definitely wrong. I don't see a difference in the moving magnetic field or RMF between methods.
My objective in bringing the 3- phase AC generated RMF to your attention is to save years of fussing around to get to the point of being able to progress with your experiment using the RMF. It's the same thing. Now you have it your way, so show us why it's so important.
I am not fooling when I tell you that I hope for your success. I do. But I see you make so many mistakes, and express so many misconceptions, I doubt that you can recognize and differentiate anomalous occurrence from the norm. At least, from what I can see, you post up your results for scrutiny. More than I can say for some others.
Good luck, seriously.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 15, 2022, 08:54:29 AM
@Rakarskiy
I see it exactly as you wrote above, on the bold out statement.
Definitively we are dealing here with people who have proven to be "Knowledgeable of the Arts"...
And I, have explained to EXHAUSTION, the HUGE Differences between AC 3 Phase versus Holcomb...
But they "play" like they do not "understand" the differences...
And I know they know exactly the huge differences between a Three Pole, 2 stators, three tooth dc motor armature, versus a 20 poles, Four Stator, 28 tooth Rotor on the exact same motor principle...They know exactly which motor is more powerful and more effective.
So, yes, it is definitively on purpose, with the main objective to establish the same conclusion...a dead end, to create deception on these principles of static generation of energy...not only Holcomb.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
UFO Hello!
You posted good links about Russell. I will tell you a big secret, in a synchronous generator, when laying a phase in a groove, a similar situation occurs - Focusing. You will not find this in any textbook in the relevant disciplines. This is taught to design engineers after appropriate selection. The rest have reference stereotypes.
The problem with installing Holcomb is not that it works and has an OU, but that it is relevant for power producers. Are you sure that you are not buying energy through the meter that such devices did not produce? I know for a fact that Holcomb is already being scolded for what he can and cannot do. The system allows or denies. To do this, they have all the levers in any condition.
As for the "trolls", who deny far from everything in the service of the system. Many of them are victims of stereotypes embedded in their education. I have a good engineer friend. So, for the simplest task: calculate the EMF of the generator phase, with a load of 1 kW, a network frequency of 50 Hz and a voltage at the generator terminals of 220 volts. In the circuit, only a resistive load of 1kW and a generator phase. His answer was "220V, you yourself indicated". He simply does not know how the current is formed in the circuit and what needs to be provided for this.
If you read one interesting post above, then even in this thread, you can decide that they are hinting to be silent!
Sincerely
SEMI - Perhaps some of this information will help with the questions you posted:
On page 50 of patent application WO2021063522A1 it says, "The current flow is "titrated" to just below the saturation of the electrical steel of the rotor pole. This saturation is predetermined for each pole by performing a hysteresis curve such as that in FIG 50A."
For a generator with an inner stator - double rotor - double stator - outer rotor configuration: Pages 43 - 44 list the wire gauge and number of turns for each of the stators and rotors of this generator configuration shown in FIG 33 - 38. Dimensions of this generator may be inferred from FIG 34A.
For a generator with an inner rotor - double stator - outer rotor configuration: Page 43 lists the wire gauge and number of turns for the outer rotor and outer stator of this generator configuration shown in FIG 22 - 25. Unfortunately it does not list the gauge and number of turns for the inner stator or inner rotor. Dimensions of this generator are not given. Page 41 section 10 indicates that the magnetic fields of the two rotors in this inner rotor - double stator - outer rotor generator are in opposition, so the coils of the sandwiched double stator are bucking coils.
For a simple generator with an inner rotor - outer stator configuration: To my knowledge none of the patents lists dimensions, wire gauge or number of turns for this configuration. If you run across such information please post it.
Quote from: bistander on June 14, 2022, 11:31:39 AM
Hi all, ... So here's my question to anybody. How is HES different from a slip ring induction motor at stall?
...
Thanks.
bi
Anybody?
Quote from: bistander on June 15, 2022, 11:04:16 AM
Anybody?
Winding type. They have different purposes, the motor creates focus, the generator gets the focus.
The electric motor does not have enough focus, its task is to interact in the gap between the rotor and the stator.
It if absolutely on fingers.
Well, here I am.
A voltage of almost the same amplitude is transmitted from the stator to the armature.
When the armature is rotated, only the phase changes. The amplitude does not decrease.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 15, 2022, 11:25:50 AM
Winding type. They have different purposes, the motor creates focus, the generator gets the focus.
The electric motor does not have enough focus, its task is to interact in the gap between the rotor and the stator.
It if absolutely on finger hes.
Thanks for your reply, but it is nonsense in my opinion. There need be no difference in windings. The machine is equally capable of both generator and motor operation.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on June 15, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
Well, here I am.
A voltage of almost the same amplitude is transmitted from the stator to the armature.
When the armature is rotated, only the phase changes. The amplitude does not decrease.
Thank you.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 15, 2022, 12:55:03 PM
Thanks for your reply, but it is nonsense in my opinion. There need be no difference in windings. The machine is equally capable of both generator and motor operation.
bi
This is a utopia, it is enough to calculate the circuit of the generator and the motor. Their interchangeability, only with a physics teacher on an exam, will do.
Guys, this can probably give an idea of what I had done in the past when I connected this in "special" windings in a motor stator to simulate the "rotate magnetic field." I used an Arduino hardware connected
https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfF1-_3DRQ)
Quote from: ariovaldo on June 15, 2022, 02:32:43 PM
Guys, this can probably give an idea of what I had done in the past when I connected this in "special" windings in a motor stator to simulate the "rotate magnetic field." I used an Arduino hardware connected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfF1-_3DRQ
Bad joke?
All I see is video of Canadian drag queens. Not my cup of tea.
bi
Sir
Please check that link
!
I know ariovaldo is exceptional builder and respected member !
Respectfully
Chet K
EDIT
Ps
Thanks
To update link below 👍
Quote from: ramset on June 15, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Sir
Please check that link
!
I know ariovaldo is exceptional builder and respected member !
Respectfully
Chet K
I'm so sorry. I never watched that video.
I changed the link. That isn't my cup of tea as well. Lol
https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8 (https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8)
Quote from: ariovaldo on June 15, 2022, 03:29:13 PM
I'm so sorry. I never watched that video.
https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8 (https://youtu.be/nCReDKa6Fn8)
You say it's true, I believe you ;D
I knew this was coming. Lol
Hmm
Peeps got scared ( the wrong link ?( now fixed))
Anyhow ....some word from the street on Holcomb
Things are indeed moving at Holcomb ( "things" moving out to the world /customer..?)
Please Don't ask for specifics !
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on June 16, 2022, 12:52:36 PM
Hmm
Peeps got scared ( the wrong link ?( now fixed))
Anyhow ....some word from the street on Holcomb
Things are indeed moving at Holcomb ( "things" moving out to the world /customer..?)
Please Don't ask for specifics !
Respectfully
Chet K
Tease
Ramset
QuoteAnyhow ....some word from the street on Holcomb
Things are indeed moving at Holcomb ( "things" moving out to the world /customer..?)
I thought this was a winner from day one for various reasons...
1)Not a weekend warrior but a professional diligently working on this problem for decades.
2)Hands on experience, he supposedly grew up building rewiring motor/generators and continues doing it.
3)He's an inventor with multiple patents across multiple disciplines.
4)Most important he's a problem solver. We form an idea of what we want, we work towards that idea and encounter countless problems along the way. If were smart and can solve the problems we make progress if not were going nowhere. Education and knowledge help however 99% of progress is about how to solve problems.
Long term it's hard to say what's going to happen. The science it's all that difficult however the mafia, Russia, Iran, the far right and the entire middle east with fossil fuel interests would probably like to see them disappear. I mean there only disrupting a ruthless multi trillion dollar industry which currently dominates 85% of all global energy interests... what could possibly go wrong?.
A person would probably be safer trying to slap down an angry 800lb grizzly bear with a ham sandwich but you never know...
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on June 17, 2022, 01:32:51 AM
Ramset
I thought this was a winner from day one for various reasons...
1)Not a weekend warrior but a professional diligently working on this problem for decades.
2)Hands on experience, he supposedly grew up building rewiring motor/generators and continues doing it.
3)He's an inventor with multiple patents across multiple disciplines.
4)Most important he's a problem solver. We form an idea of what we want, we work towards that idea and encounter countless problems along the way. If were smart and can solve the problems we make progress if not were going nowhere. Education and knowledge help however 99% of progress is about how to solve problems.
Long term it's hard to say what's going to happen. The science it's all that difficult however the mafia, Russia, Iran, the far right and the entire middle east with fossil fuel interests would probably like to see them disappear. I mean there only disrupting a ruthless multi trillion dollar industry which currently dominates 85% of all global energy interests... what could possibly go wrong?.
A person would probably be safer trying to slap down an angry 800lb grizzly bear with a ham sandwich but you never know...
Regards
AC
The question is not even that the Holcomb generator works and completely destroyed the prevailing paradigm that a synchronous generator is a converter of mechanical energy into electrical energy.
To build a solid state structure, you need to know perfectly how a mechanical synchronous generator works. Everything suggests that the majority "know" this without microdetails, and lie to themselves, even worse to others. It is the specifics of 99% that ordinary specialists do not know. Many people try to apply generalized theories to design that are far from specifics - these are engineering downs, only the specifics of microprocesses allow calculations to be made.
Total bill ???O opposition! These are the rules of the wild free market based on the dominance of global corporations! If the market system strictly protected the right of any participant: for example, the right to produce their own electricity and grow their own food, plus the struggle of society against any monopoly, our planet would have a different financial and economic system.
Holcomb Energy System does not fit into the system of corporate dominance. Here they are interested in his device in order to sell you electricity without having to spend a lot of money on its production.
****
So that you understand, Holcomb is the one who demonstrated live the operating generator, and how many developments lie under the cloth?
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d6/f2/45/972f3833251e2f/US8847720.pdf
A powerful electrical generator that uniquely exploits electromagnetic phenomena.
Harold Goldbaum Vero Beach, Florida - United States of America, Sustainable Technologies
Inventor: Harold J. Goldbaum
2011-11-04 Priority for US201161555862P
2012-11-05 Application filed by Harold J. Goldbaum
2012-11-05 Priority for US13/669,400
2014-02-13 Publication US20140043128A1
2014-09-30 Application satisfied
2014-09-30 Publication US8847720B2.
Status Validity - Fee related
2032-11-05 Expected validity period
I'm really hoping this is our 4 minute mile moment. "If he can do it...."
Let me add my "5 cents" to what appears to have turned into
Entertainment Todays - Comedy Central:
[Thanks for all the great humor fellows - appreciated now more than ever!]
"People go through four stages before any revolutionary development:
1. It's nonsense, don't waste my time.
2. It's interesting, but not important.
3. I always said it was a good idea.
4. I thought of it first."
— Arthur C. Clarke {a.k.a. AC}
"All things are difficult before they are easy."
— Thomas Fuller
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
— Thomas A. Edison
It's not too good to be true... It's just true.
"When your critics says you can't do this, your answer to them is.
We've already done it"
- Elon Musk
"Who is John Galt" - one of his quotes:
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the
sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
John Galt epitomizes all that is glorious of capitalism in its purist
form -- innovation, self-reliance, and freedom from government
interference.
Anon
For those with an Instagram account: Go to the Holcomb Energy Systems page and click on the Tech icon in the upper left to see a short video clip of what HES calls their In Line Power Generator. It demonstrates a rotating magnetic field and a 2 to 1 power gain. HES plans the ILPG to be their first commercial product.
The ILPG plugs into the grid and provides a power gain to the consumer. Presumably HES is going the route of marketing a power boosting device that still needs the grid instead of a stand alone generator hoping to fly under the radar until enough units are out in the world to make it impossible to deny their existence. You could certainly loop an ILPG back into into itself and go off the grid entirely.
Also interesting is a change in their nomenclature. They have moved away from the term "rotor" for the coils which create the RMF and are now calling both sets of coils in the ILPG "stators" presumably to more accurately reflect that there are no moving parts. The geometry and winding of the inner stator is also different than that of the "rotors" in the patents, though it appears to serve the same function.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 15, 2022, 11:25:50 AM
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this message is for rakarskiy . Give it to Ukrainians. Maybe it helps someone.
Re: opinions, motivations, responses, interactions, - only social life/inpolitics .
(https://overunity.com/19156/opinions-motivations-responses-interactions-only-social-lifeinpolitics/msg568127/#msg568127)
Wesley
A challenge question for the really ingenous of you! (busy minds are happy minds)
Scenerio:
- You have access to a "LinGen" (see the brassboard for an example).
- It has no internal power source and it is not "self starting."
- You do not have access to any power sources (no batteries, no solar, no mains, nothing.)
Challenge:
How do you get the "LinGen" started?
This is a design innovation question but you can not build in a battery since that requires
regulations, additional costs, safety concerns, shelf life, etc.
Also, the controller/driver board has a very low power (microamp) STM32 micro with LCD display
so the complete device "status" is available prior to firing the coils, or whatever.
Example situations - you're on a desert island, a ship wreck, in the arctic, the middle of nowhere,
survived a disaster or worse... but you do have a "LinGen" at hand, or it can be air dropped, or
you can cobble one together for that matter!
Any good/viable ideas will be rewarded. ;)
Thanks in advance.
SL
Build a hand/foot operated magneto into the LinGen. Like an old fashioned dynamite detonator.
Should clarify a bit more - the controller/driver card is a pcb that runs along the clean ends
(no windings are in the way) of the rotor-stator plates. Dimensions of the two plates are
approximately 3.2" [+ pcb-SM] x 5.2" x 1" plus coil overun. These units can be stacked or linear,
as required.
The top and bottom of the rotor-stator plates are flat and clear (hint - capacitor/inductor/electrostatic???).
{unroll an electrolytic - back emf - etc. still thinking...}
Cadman - good idea, thanks - but might be too expensive and bulky for a one-time use. LinGen material
cost is about $15 US; magneto would be, maybe, $20 plus case and labour.
Why was it turned off?
If it runs autonomously, start it at the time of manufacture and it runs forever. Or am I missing something?
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2022, 12:36:18 AM
Why was it turned off?
If it runs autonomously, start it at the time of manufacture and it runs forever. Or am I missing something?
bi
Read the examples then think about it a bit more.
Shipping (a live device - a definite no no). Storage, again a no no.
Maintenance - troubleshoot or fix a "hot device" - not me. Initialization - on and on?
Ideas are welcome, not stupid, out of the ass stuff...
SL
Its not an energy or power gain.
The original patent only steps the voltage, not the current.
Current is lowered, resulting in slightly less total power out than in.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on June 18, 2022, 01:17:11 AM
Its not an energy or power gain.
The original patent only steps the voltage, not the current.
Current is lowered, resulting in slightly less total power out than in.
And your proof or analysis is? Some varification is always helpful.
Thanks - appreciated....
SL
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187576/
Фигня какая то нездоровая.
What does this patent say?
There is nothing even round, everything is rectangular. :o
Quote from: SolarLab on June 18, 2022, 01:02:40 AM
Read the examples then think about it a bit more.
Shipping (a live device - a definite no no). Storage, again a no no.
Maintenance - troubleshoot or fix a "hot device" - not me. Initialization - on and on?
Ideas are welcome, not stupid, out of the ass stuff...
SL
SL,
It's intended to be always on when in service, isn't it?
Also, using some creativity could overcome your objections. How dangerous is it to work on a live device of that power level? Or seal it so it cannot be serviced; must be disposed/recycled.
Or if you insist, package it in a box, that has a lid, which, when opened, activates a small dynamo that generates a pulse to initiate the device startup. It could be spring loaded storing initial energy, or not, requiring the act of opening to supply the initial energy. Let the flip of the flip-phone do it.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on June 17, 2022, 11:07:53 PM
Should clarify a bit more - the controller/driver card is a pcb that runs along the clean ends
(no windings are in the way) of the rotor-stator plates. Dimensions of the two plates are
approximately 3.2" [+ pcb-SM] x 5.2" x 1" plus coil overun. These units can be stacked or linear,
as required.
The top and bottom of the rotor-stator plates are flat and clear (hint - capacitor/inductor/electrostatic???).
{unroll an electrolytic - back emf - etc. still thinking...}
Ah, I was imagining the big generator pictured on his site.
How about something like a shaker flashlight generator with a cap pulse discharge. That could even be a separate plug-in device with multiple uses.
The cap pulse part could be built into the linGen with a start button, chargeable by various means.
Quote from: Cadman on June 18, 2022, 08:00:47 AM
Ah, I was imagining the big generator pictured on his site.
How about something like a shaker flashlight generator with a cap pulse discharge. That could even be a separate plug-in device with multiple uses.
The cap pulse part could be built into the linGen with a start button, chargeable by various means.
Cadman,Bingo! Sharp thinking, thanks.
A Shaker Flashlight concept.
Notice the Lap/Coil/Windings stick out of the Pole Plate sides - wind them into a helix, plastic tube core,
strong magnets inside (with keepers so they only move when required).
Release keepers and SHAKE until the Start Capacitor (SuperCap or layers on the stator plate) is
charged (check LCD Display for "READY TO START"). Device can be held in a hand.
Push the "START" button and walla!
Will simulate this scheme and determine the winding, magnet and capacitor characteristics.
Thanks again - quite smart and in record time...
SL- a seperate device (module) with multiple uses is also very attractive. Easier to build as well.
(batteries sold seperately - :( ) That way the LinGen will still fit in my self propelled electric lawn mower ;) !
You've probably guessed where I'm going with this. Good to have a target application when you start a design.
At $100+US for <45min run time (big yard). Thats about 4X$100 every couple of years; plus a trip to Hazardous Waste.
Just information from one of my readers!
...did an experiment with a positive result... Simply by connecting 2 coils on the rotor of a single-phase generator in series (8 ohms) to an outlet. When the load was connected (heater 700 watts), I received 50 watts from the wattmeter from the outlet, and at the output of the generator, also through the wattmeter, I received 150 watts ... I also tried the reverse circuit, where the rotor and stator were swapped ... the result turned out worse , at the input 90 watts at the output is also 140-150 watts!
Small screenshots from the video he sent me!
Hoping you all had a pleasant Father's Day - being "Father" is a little tough some times - but it's one of a very few great rewards in life, IMHO!
Starting the LinGen when there isn't any other way (remote, but possible - you never know)
A Shaker Flashlight method is one approach (thanks Cadman). An analysis of one such device is attached.
There are several good improvments to the examined flashlight that are mentioned in the article. Another excellent upgrade
is replacing the NiMH battery with a Super Capacitor (recent developments in this technology have really allowed these
to become viable and cost effective).
Some brief study on this phase of the project has proven to be quite interesting and exciting. Haven't actually designed
anything in a while - a lot of facinating developments have occured in the last few years.
Have a great evening and a good week!
SL
@Rakarsky
Have you ever done this yourself? You will not want to leave it on for long. Will get really hot quick and burn. Has to do with the impedance of the coils, voltage and hrtz. Stop it and it messes it all up. I would expect that you can rewire the rotor with correct lengths of wire to accept the line voltage and hrtz. In this case, 240 at 50.
thay
Quote from: Thaelin on June 20, 2022, 05:30:02 AM
@Rakarsky
Have you ever done this yourself? You will not want to leave it on for long. Will get really hot quick and burn. Has to do with the impedance of the coils, voltage and hrtz. Stop it and it messes it all up. I would expect that you can rewire the rotor with correct lengths of wire to accept the line voltage and hrtz. In this case, 240 at 50.
thay
The question is, why change anything? The design of a single-phase generator is the least suitable for converting it into a solid state system.
The guy just went and did a rough experiment, he also had to find the best position for the rotor in the stator.
220V / 8 ohm = 27.5A (full current), this is 6kW. The guy has barely 50W consumption of 0.22A. Perhaps something was not measured correctly or a very large reactance.
In any case, the input is a wattmeter, and the output to the heating element is through a wattmeter.A confirming fact is available - Over Unity in a rough experiment.
СОР = 150W/50W = 3Everything else is empty, non-defining chatter.
QuoteHow do you get the "LinGen" started?
What is linGen?
The search only finds a city in germany. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on June 20, 2022, 06:52:36 AM
What is linGen?
The search only finds a city in germany. :)
I thought it was short for linear generator, specifically the small HES version for cell phones shown in the patent.
bi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-ar3g4Kls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-ar3g4Kls)
Please answer me, what was it? :o
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 19, 2022, 02:43:31 PM
Just information from one of my readers!
...did an experiment with a positive result... Simply by connecting 2 coils on the rotor of a single-phase generator in series (8 ohms) to an outlet. When the load was connected (heater 700 watts), I received 50 watts from the wattmeter from the outlet, and at the output of the generator, also through the wattmeter, I received 150 watts ... I also tried the reverse circuit, where the rotor and stator were swapped ... the result turned out worse , at the input 90 watts at the output is also 140-150 watts!
Small screenshots from the video he sent me!
I clarified that the author was connected to the outlet through LATR - laboratory transformer (input voltage adjustment)!
So, the ambiguities are eliminated - the experiment in such a rough execution demonstrates Over Unity!
Take one of those solid-block fan motors,
With the self inducting rotor,
Solder wires to the 2 traces
And lock the rotor in various positions for measurement
Quote from: kolbacict on June 20, 2022, 06:52:36 AM
What is linGen?
The search only finds a city in germany. :)
kolbacict,
Thank you for asking, let me explain in some detail with brief background information.
"
LinGen" or "linGen" as you post, is a contatination of "
Linear Generator" or more precisely
"
HES Linear Generator" where, again,
HES is continated from "
Holcomb Energy System"
as adopted by Dr. Holcomb, see:
https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
The LinGen project stems from a series of CAE (Computer Aided Engineering) analysis that have
been conducted starting around the end of March 2022 in an effort to develop a "proof-of-concept"
with respect to Holcombs methods and techniques as claimed in a variety of his recent patents.
Of particular interest was a portion of the
WO2018134233 patent application where a
"Flat Solid-State Rotor" was described in some detail. His target application is to provide power
to a cell phone or the like.
Details (in the links) of the Analysis Evolution are found here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg567993/#msg567993)
This is an ongoing project therefore the information is updated periodically. Both this thread and a
Holcomb thread found at the OUR Forum should be reviewed for further developments.
NOTE: To date Holcombs techniques appear to be valid according to modern CAE 3D simulations and
some preliminary bench testing. His Web Site also contains some very convincing data and technical details.
Hope this answers your question. Also - was unaware of a town in Germany with that name, thanks.
Regards
SL
Newcomers - There is also some convincing data shown in several graphs of self-running generators in the Figures of the 2021 international patent application, https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1/en?oq=WO2021063522. These self-running graphs are presented both with and without the HES voltage & phase stabilizing "oscillating module" described in the patent application. This patent application references rotor-double stator-rotor and stator-double rotor-double stator-rotor configurations. It does not directly address the LinGen that SolarLab is working on to demonstrate the proof of concept behind these larger, cylindrical HES generators. The LinGen or flat configuration is described in the patent application SolarLab posted above.
Holcomb Energy Systems patents/patent applications present several embodiments of their technology, which can be confusing at first. They are:
rotor - stator (original configuration)
rotor - double stator -rotor
stator - double rotor - double stator - rotor
flat rotor - stator ("LinGen")
In each embodiment a moving magnetic field is produced by sequentially pulsing DC coils. Coils at the leading edge of the field are energized at the same time those at the trailing edge are relaxed. As the cycle repeats the polarity of the magnetic field is reversed. This is true also in the flat rotor patent application. If you study the patents you will see the coils of all embodiments are powered via H-bridge type circuits which pulse positive, neutral, negative, neutral, positive... They variously describe both a 50% and 75% duty cycle of the pulsed coils with 50% the most referenced embodiment. But in each case the coils receive a pulse, relaxation, reversed polarity pulse, relaxation, etc.
HES's first commercial product is to be called the In Line Power Generator ("ILPG") which they state has a stator - stator configuration. Regardless of the terminology this configuration also creates a solid state rotating magnetic field. The ILPG, including rotating magnetic filed and over unity operation, is demonstrated on their Instagram home page by clicking the "Tech" icon video clip in the upper left.
NEWS FLASH DIRECTLY FROM HOLCOMB!
Immediately after making my above post describing the pulsed coils referenced in the HES patents and patent applications, I checked the HES Instagram page and found the following game-changing reply to a question I posted to them.
My question to HES about their In Line Power Generator (ILPG): "Does the ILPG convert the AC input to a sequence of DC pulses which creates a rotating magnetic field in electrical steel like your self-running generators? Or does the AC input create the rotating magnetic field without being converted to DC first?"
HES's reply: "That refers to ur old patents. currently both the ILPG and self sustaining unit only use AC. "
The ramifications of this are tremendous! It now makes much more sense why they call their ILPG configuration a stator - stator. Is it possible the rotating magnetic field created by one of the stators is generated somewhat like the AC-created rotating magnetic field in the stator of a slip ring induction motor?
Understanding the latest Holcomb tech now boils down to understanding how they wired both "stators." WAY simpler than all that sequentially pulsed DC!
But more importantly: WHY does what they do work? What has Dr. Holcomb done in his stator - stator wiring configuration to mitigate Lenz's law? That is what puzzles me the most. There is no doubt that HES has created a series of over unity devices to anyone who has taken the time to study all their patents, patent applications, web site, YouTube videos and Instagram posts. Naysayers please take the time to do thorough research on HES before saying it can't be done. It has been done. The really interesting question is what is Dr. Holcomb doing that gets around Lenz's law enough to make his tech work? The electrical steel amplification pitch is simply a way to make a lay audience and patent examiners comfortable with how over unity could be possible. The real trick is in sidestepping the full brunt of Lenz's law. Dr. Holcomb unquestionably realizes this.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 20, 2022, 04:09:17 PM
NEWS FLASH DIRECTLY FROM HOLCOMB!
...
HES's reply: "That refers to ur old patents. currently both the ILPG and self sustaining unit only use AC. "
...
That's interesting.
bi
Beginners Mind,
Some very good information - thanks.
FWIW - while looking at some simulations it appeared to me that the operation was like a
"Snowball Game" - yea, I know sounds pretty dumb - but just trying to verbalize the interaction.
Here are the two posts where I wrote it up:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98737#msg98737 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98737#msg98737)
at the bottom, and what I called the "Snowball Game" here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98746#msg98746 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98746#msg98746)
Corny analogy; but it's hard to describe in words without seeing the animations.
There are a variety of other things that also contribute to excess energy in the HES - some
of these have been pointed out over the many posts.
SL
SolarLab,
Thanks for the links. Your hypotheses make a lot of sense when based on DC pulses and are very much like what I expected might be happening in all the original patent applications. But if HES has now dispensed with DC pulses entirely and is currently operating completely on AC to create the RMF, do these ideas still apply? AC does not throw discrete snowballs like DC pulses do. Is another hypothesis needed? What do you think? Dispensing with sequential DC pulses makes the workings of this tech ever more fascinating.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 20, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
SolarLab,
Thanks for the links. Your hypotheses make a lot of sense when based on DC pulses and are very much like what I expected might be happening in all the original patent applications. But if HES has now dispensed with DC pulses entirely and is currently operating completely on AC to create the RMF, do these ideas still apply? AC does not throw discrete snowballs like DC pulses do. Is another hypothesis needed? What do you think? Dispensing with sequential DC pulses makes the workings of this tech ever more fascinating.
Beginners Mind,Don't know - without looking at it a bit more, I can only guess - which is not of much value.
Just "shooting from the hip" so to speak - but using AC, especially for larger kW units or one
that's already tied to the grid, is probably an easier method. Adjusting the phases should be
relatively straight forward and there's a lot of history to fall back on.
Looking at the fundamentals of Holcombs scheme, the key is in moving only the magnetic field,
and not moving anything else. Sweeping or rotating the field over the stator coils is where the
larger part of 400-600% gain (?) is achieved. There should be no "magnetic drag" or filling the
generator cavity with, swirling, unwanted fields.
The required phasing of the poles to achieve conventional 50/60 Hz frequency is probably old art.
Not experienced enough in motor/generator art to say for sure, however, but I can figure out a
power factor correction cap value! :)
Will leave this one for the experts here!
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 19, 2022, 02:43:31 PM
Just information from one of my readers!
...did an experiment with a positive result... Simply by connecting 2 coils on the rotor of a single-phase generator in series (8 ohms) to an outlet. When the load was connected (heater 700 watts), I received 50 watts from the wattmeter from the outlet, and at the output of the generator, also through the wattmeter, I received 150 watts ... I also tried the reverse circuit, where the rotor and stator were swapped ... the result turned out worse , at the input 90 watts at the output is also 140-150 watts!
Small screenshots from the video he sent me!
ANyone else tried this? Think I'll try tonight.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 20, 2022, 08:54:37 PM
ANyone else tried this? Think I'll try tonight.
If you are going to conduct an experiment, connect the rotor circuit through LATR, connect the load. Next, you need to find the position of the rotor at which the process will have a working moment. Moving even half of the surface of a part of a stator tooth can be critical for a two-pole rotor.
Good luck.
I am so thankful for Dr. Holcomb and the work he is doing.
He is so much farther than I am in developing motionless electrical energy.
I think his approach of staying with the current standards of 50Hz and 60Hz
is a no-brainer. This technology is like a cut and paste into the home or business
power needs.
But even though this is the way to bring this technology into the world, it
does bring some questions I have about this technology.
What is the optimal frequency for this technology? Is it 100Hz, 200Hz, 400Hz?
If there are other frequencies that produce larger COP values, then in
the future will we see DC output products that use an internal operational
frequency other than 50Hz or 60Hz?
Another question:
Can this technology be put into power assist bicycles and other products
that will multiply the range of those products? I know that a COP over 1 will
give a product with infinite range, but I still need to get my exercise.
Do the current Patents protect HES from other FE generators to compete with them
in the area of power generation with COP greater than 1.
Since the patents claim an increase of power amplification due to the amplification
through industrial steel, can other patents claiming increase of power generation
through a different technique of accessing the torque of magnetic fields be used
in providing a generator that does not conflict with Dr. Holcomb's patents?
If I had the resources to invest with Dr. Holcomb, would that be
a good thing to do at this time?
Lunkster
For anyone who is able, try to make it mechanical:
4 magnets, 2 poles, n-s-n-s around, n facing n, s facing s. On a rotor.
Inside the rotor the stationary coil with the axis parallel to the rotor axis.
Now when the rotor rotates, dphi/dt inside the coil remains constant, but the field definitely moves: B = curl A and E=-dA/dt, (no dphi/dt, nothing to counter (assumption)), but still an electric field due to dA/dt caused by rotating B.
"Can this technology be put into power assist bicycles and other products that will multiply the range of those products?"
That would be cool. :) for any small vehicle.
Quote from: Lunkster on June 21, 2022, 11:07:18 AM
Another question:
Can this technology be put into power assist bicycles and other products
that will multiply the range of those products? I know that a COP over 1 will
give a product with infinite range, but I still need to get my exercise.
Do the current Patents protect HES from other FE generators to compete with them
in the area of power generation with COP greater than 1.
Lunkster
How can a patent protect the principle of power generation? There is another patent that can be challenged, also indicated in this thread.
Or electromagnetic induction, discovered by Michael Faraday, is not used in the Holcomb generator.
Why, then, do not all design bureaus and generator manufacturers in the world ask permission from Faraday?
Manufacturers may cooperate with Dr. Holcomb, in terms of technical documentation of generators, on permits that Holcomb can obtain.
How many episodes do you know with permission to produce and exploit?
The problem is not in the method, but in its development by manufacturers and operating companies.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 20, 2022, 04:09:17 PM
NEWS FLASH DIRECTLY FROM HOLCOMB!
Immediately after making my above post describing the pulsed coils referenced in the HES patents and patent applications, I checked the HES Instagram page and found the following game-changing reply to a question I posted to them.
My question to HES about their In Line Power Generator (ILPG): "Does the ILPG convert the AC input to a sequence of DC pulses which creates a rotating magnetic field in electrical steel like your self-running generators? Or does the AC input create the rotating magnetic field without being converted to DC first?"
HES's reply: "That refers to ur old patents. currently both the ILPG and self sustaining unit only use AC. "
The ramifications of this are tremendous! It now makes much more sense why they call their ILPG configuration a stator - stator. Is it possible the rotating magnetic field created by one of the stators is generated somewhat like the AC-created rotating magnetic field in the stator of a slip ring induction motor?
Understanding the latest Holcomb tech now boils down to understanding how they wired both "stators." WAY simpler than all that sequentially pulsed DC!
I told you guys ;D ;D ;D
3 phase balanced signal into locked rotor of slip ring motor.
Next lesson: don't expect any OU from this anyway.
Cheers,
Pix
PS.
Pssst. Don't tell this to Ufopolitics and rakarskiy ;)
Well, at least the discussion between UfoPolitics and Bistander regarding using switched DC or AC to generate a rotating magnetic field should be resolved. Both work. :)
Hello, virtual rotating field tests in an alternator rescued from the scrap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOeSpIqu98c&t=16s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl2mIcSSow&t=480s
Cheers
Don't bother, the three-phase motor stacking system is not designed to focus flow. Perhaps multipolar, but there are many - but. If you want a solid state generator, study the subject of how a generator works. The motor does not work with flow focusing, the motor works with area. When you understand the difference between the rotating field of a motor and the rotating field of a generator stator, you will understand how far these fields are from each other.
Two formulas: E=BLV; E =4.44wfBS, when you get the same EMF value, you will understand everything yourself.
In the meantime, in a simple experience, the result of the transformation, the Over Unity is confirmed.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568178/#msg568178
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 21, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
Don't bother, the three-phase motor stacking system is not designed to focus flow. Perhaps multipolar, but there are many - but. If you want a solid state generator, study the subject of how a generator works. The motor does not work with flow focusing, the motor works with area. When you understand the difference between the rotating field of a motor and the rotating field of a generator stator, you will understand how far these fields are from each other.
Two formulas: E=BLV; E =4.44wfBS, when you get the same EMF value, you will understand everything yourself.
In the meantime, in a simple experience, the result of the transformation, the Over Unity is confirmed.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568178/#msg568178 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568178/#msg568178)
OU confirmed same way like in your mechanical press? ;D
Spare me.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pmgr on June 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Well, at least the discussion between UfoPolitics and Bistander regarding using switched DC or AC to generate a rotating magnetic field should be resolved. Both work. :)
Correction.
Both do not work to produce any OU.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: matu on June 21, 2022, 02:11:40 PM
Hello, virtual rotating field tests in an alternator rescued from the scrap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOeSpIqu98c&t=16s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOeSpIqu98c&t=16s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl2mIcSSow&t=480s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl2mIcSSow&t=480s)
Cheers
I already quoted Molina Martinez patent on this thread. No OU there.
On the first video you see kind of slip ring AC motor, 3 phase stator and a rotor with only 2 slip rings, dude connects 3 phase inverter to the stator creating rotating maghetic field and takes power from slip rings of the rotor. Don't understand spanish but you can see on the multimeter and power consumption meter that there is no OU. Not sure how big is air gap between rotor and stator but definitely they are coming from different machines.
Even if you will use original 3 phase AC slip ring motor, and power it via 3 phase inverter to 3 slop rings and take power from stator coils- it will be like 3 phase transformer, no OU there.
Holcomb claims are a bust.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 21, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Correction.
Both do not work to produce any OU.
Cheers,
Pix
Is OU possible at all?
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 21, 2022, 01:12:04 AM
If you are going to conduct an experiment, connect the rotor circuit through LATR, connect the load. Next, you need to find the position of the rotor at which the process will have a working moment. Moving even half of the surface of a part of a stator tooth can be critical for a two-pole rotor.
Good luck.
Used a 24VAC power supply for initial test. Wired 2 rotor poles in series 16ohm, my load was a 15 watt incandescent lamp. I could barely get 2 volts from the stator coils. More testing tonight. Maybe the rotor coils should be in series with the lamp but not each other to drop resistance back to 8ohm.
Interesting efficiency data just published by Holcomb Energy System is in the .pdf file attached. This relates to their In Line Power Generator (ILPG) which has an efficiency of about 200% and is to be their first commercial product. HES is billing the ILPG as a device to be wired between the mains input to a facility and the facility's loads in order to halve the electric bill. HES is specifically not drawing attention to the fact that the ILPG could be looped back into itself, disconnected from the grid and function as a self-running generator. Data on self-running embodiments of their tech is present in their WO2021063522A1 patent application.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 21, 2022, 08:46:46 PM
Used a 24VAC power supply for initial test. Wired 2 rotor poles in series 16ohm, my load was a 15 watt incandescent lamp. I could barely get 2 volts from the stator coils. More testing tonight. Maybe the rotor coils should be in series with the lamp but not each other to drop resistance back to 8ohm.
Find the optimal position of the rotor in the stator. This is not a simple process, you need to turn the rotor by one stator tooth, each time and try, you need to find the position at which the induction is maximum.
For your drive in this matter:
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
******
;) ;) ;)
For all who doubt, doubt your health! Take care of your nervous system!
For alternating current: input and output - the wattmeter showed everything correctly, according to its technical characteristics. It is enough to evaluate the result
Again, measurements with devices that do not show correctly when measuring disturbed current.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 21, 2022, 10:07:12 PM
Interesting efficiency data just published by Holcomb Energy System is in the .pdf file attached. This relates to their In Line Power Generator (ILPG) which has an efficiency of about 200% and is to be their first commercial product. HES is billing the ILPG as a device to be wired between the mains input to a facility and the facility's loads in order to halve the electric bill. HES is specifically not drawing attention to the fact that the ILPG could be looped back into itself, disconnected from the grid and function as a self-running generator. Data on self-running embodiments of their tech is present in their WO2021063522A1 patent application.
If the flux doesn't change by growing and diminishing because coils are pulsed, then efficiency is higher, Lenz works against this change (unless change in s and n cancel in the HES). Changing flux through the area of a conductor causes induction and the change is countered by Lenz when amps flow, motional E also moves and separate charges and induce an EMF, but it can't be countered because the EMF and amps are not caused by the changing flux through an area, but by a time varying magnetic vector potential in space, this creates an E-field, the time-varying MVP is created by rotating a curled magnetic vector potential by the magnetic poles, while trying to keep flux-change through the area of the coil zero. Lenz appears, but according to the right-hand rule, it works against nothing. Cmiiw
Quote from: alan on June 21, 2022, 08:14:38 PM
Is OU possible at all?
I will give you an example.
A common room air conditioner or a heat pump. Typical COP=3, that means you put IN 1 kW of electrical power and get OUT 3 kW of power in the form of heat.
Is it OU?
No. It is just a thermodynamic pump that taps to ambient heat existing in the atmospheric air. It compresses large amount of cubic meters of ambient air with low grade temperature, let's say 10 degC to smaller amount of cubic meters of air at let's say 40 degC that is useable to heat your home in the winter.
Source of energy is known- ambient air.
Energy may be converted from one form to another, or from "low grade form, not useable" to "high grade, useable".
Do solar panel is OU? No, it produces electricity from "free" solar radiation. We tapped to that source of energy and converted it to electricity.
There is a lot of such "free, low grade forms" of energy around us. We just need to be smart to create CONVERTERS that can turn non useable form of energy into useable.
The same way we could utilise magnetic field of permanent magnet in the flyback mode MEG.
Regarding Holcomb claims, I do not see a "energy source" that could lead to COP>1. Spinning magnetic field across AC motor stator makes it an ordinary generator, the only difference is there is no mechanical rotation to create rotation of magnetic field. Lenz law apply.
Cheers,
Pix
Spinning magnetic field across AC motor stator makes it an ordinary generator, the only difference is there is no mechanical rotation to create rotation of magnetic field. Lenz law apply.
The across part doesn't happen, the axis of rotation is in the same position as the center axis of the coil (this becomes obvious with the DZ gen). Otherwise you were right.
Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 06:36:52 AM
If the flux doesn't change by growing and diminishing because coils are pulsed, then efficiency is higher. Changing flux through the area of a conductor causes induction and the change is countered by Lenz when amps flow, motional E also moves and separate charges and induce an EMF, but it can't be countered because the EMF and amps are not caused by the changing flux through an area, but by a time varying magnetic vector potential in space, this creates an E-field, which is created by rotating a curled magnetic vector potential by the magnetic poles. Cmiiw
What do you mean by Lenz's rule?
QuoteAccording to Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction, with a change in the magnetic flux Ф, penetrating the electrical circuit, a current is excited in it, called induction current.
The magnitude of the electromotive force responsible for this current is determined by the equation [1]:
E = -dФ/dt
where the minus sign means that the induced emf acts so that the induced current prevents the flux from changing. This fact is reflected in Lenz's rule.
Well, let's have a vector diagram of elements, write them down correctly in order:
Bm = -E; E = -Bi; Bm=Bi
where:
Bm - is the vector of magnetic induction of the external magnetic flux; [Ф=BmS]
E - is the EMF vector of the conductor;
Bi - the vector of magnetic induction of the conductor under current.
we don't write the time, but everything is right about the generation of electricity in the generator phase. Lenz in its purest form, deciphered! The vector of the magnetic induction of the external field coincides with the vector of the magnetic induction of the conductor under current.
Thus, the induction of the phase enhances the induction of the exciter, in the current the flux linkage is enhanced and the generator slows down, that there are forces!
So what is preventing it?
Quote from: pix on June 22, 2022, 06:42:40 AM
I will give you an example.
A common room air conditioner or a heat pump. Typical COP=3, that means you put IN 1 kW of electrical power and get OUT 3 kW of power in the form of heat.
Is it OU?
No. It is just a thermodynamic pump that taps to ambient heat existing in the atmospheric air. It compresses large amount of cubic meters of ambient air with low grade temperature, let's say 10 degC to smaller amount of cubic meters of air at let's say 40 degC that is useable to heat your home in the winter.
Source of energy is known- ambient air.
Energy may be converted from one form to another, or from "low grade form, not useable" to "high grade, useable".
Do solar panel is OU? No, it produces electricity from "free" solar radiation. We tapped to that source of energy and converted it to electricity.
There is a lot of such "free, low grade forms" of energy around us. We just need to be smart to create CONVERTERS that can turn non useable form of energy into useable.
The same way we could utilise magnetic field of permanent magnet in the flyback mode MEG.
Regarding Holcomb claims, I do not see a "energy source" that could lead to COP>1. Spinning magnetic field across AC motor stator makes it an ordinary generator, the only difference is there is no mechanical rotation to create rotation of magnetic field. Lenz law apply.
Cheers,
Pix
Do not be upset, understanding will come, read again and think!
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html
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PS: 1 kW = 1000 J, 3 kW = 3 J. 1<3 no matter what form it goes into, it is more than one, everything else .....
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Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 07:09:20 AM
Ф is a product of area, so with Faraday's law, E-field and its product, EMF, is determined by change through an area. E=-dA/dt-∇Ф is a function not dependent of flux and area, and A is changing when a magnetic field is moving, itself having a curled A and E is caused by 'curl free A-vector potential' in Bearden's accent, if you can cause dA/dt while keeping dФ/dt zero, then Lenz's law cannot work against the flux that causes the current, because it isn't changing through the area. Don't even now if it's right, but this is my explanation for the DZgen.
I'll give your post some more thought later on.
This is a utopia, I was considering direction vectors and not generalized chatter! About how dФ and dt appear, your school lied to you: Ф1-Ф2 / t1-t2 = dФ/dt - time interval delta with different values.
Sincerely. ;) ;) ;) ;)
ur right
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2022, 07:07:54 AM
Do not be upset, understanding will come, read again and think!
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html)
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PS: 1 kW = 1000 J, 3 kW = 3 J. 1<3 no matter what form it goes into, it is more than one, everything else .....
According to rakarskiy every room air conditioner is an OVERUNITY device ;D
Along with his mechanical press ;D
Well. Gentelmens!
Mr. rakarsiy already found a Holy Grail OU , this forum is no more needed ;D
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on June 22, 2022, 07:31:19 AM
According to rakarskiy every room air conditioner is an OVERUNITY device ;D
Along with his mechanical press ;D
Well. Gentelmens!
Mr. rakarsiy already found a Holy Grail OU , this forum is no more needed ;D
Cheers,
Pix
it is, usable but not marketable.
EM-'OU' is pumping energy from the vacuum instead of putting in energy to get an equal out of the vacuum.
OU doesn't exist, EM COP>1 is the goal.
1kW=1000 J/sec. Watt = average energy per second.
Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 07:37:43 AM
it is, usable but not marketable.
EM-'OU' is pumping energy from the vacuum instead of putting in energy to get an equal out of the vacuum.
OU doesn't exist, EM COP>1 is the goal.
1kW=1000 J/sec. Watt = average energy per second.
The SI system has a base unit of time of 1 second.
Therefore, 1 J = 1 Watt / second or 1 Joule / second = 1 Watt are identical, therefore 1 J = 1 W is absolutely correct. Everything else is a puff of the cheeks or an indicator of the absence of a higher school in the luggage.
Sincerely!
PS
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don't forget that pandora's box is open
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2022, 08:28:36 AM
The SI system has a base unit of time of 1 second.
Therefore, 1 J = 1 Watt / second or 1 Joule / second = 1 Watt are identical, therefore 1 J = 1 W is absolutely correct. Everything else is a puff of the cheeks or an indicator of the absence of a higher school in the luggage.
Sincerely!
...
How can you say "1 J = 1 Watt / second"?
Correct is:
1 J = 1 watt second
J = Joule, a unit of energy or work
W = Watt, a unit of power, defined as the rate at which work is done or rate at which energy is transfered or converted, therefore Power in watts = Joules / second, 1 W = J / s. Math tells us that:
1 J = 1 W • s
Not as you say!
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 22, 2022, 09:01:38 AM
How can you say "1 J = 1 Watt / second"?
Correct is:
1 J = 1 watt second
J = Joule, a unit of energy or work
W = Watt, a unit of power, defined as the rate at which work is done or rate at which energy is transfered or converted, therefore Power in watts = Joules / second, 1 W = J / s. Math tells us that:
1 J = 1 W • s
Not as you say!
bi
QuotePower is a scalar physical quantity that characterizes the instantaneous rate of energy transfer from one physical system to another in the process of its use and is generally determined through the ratio of the transferred energy to the transfer time. In the SI system, the unit of power is the watt, which is equal to the energy of 1 joule transmitted over a time of 1 second (1 W ≡ 1 J / s), and any numerical value of power indicated in any information sources, by default, implies just such second time interval
In your opinion, do you need to write down the speed not [m / s] but [m * s]?
Do you want news that the concept of ENERGY on RU and EN on Wikipedia is different
Good luck, gnaw science.
PS
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don't forget that pandora's box is open
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2022, 09:15:39 AM
Do you want news that the concept of ENERGY on RU and EN on Wikipedia is different
Good luck, gnaw science.
In your opinion, do you need to write down the speed not [m / s] but [m * s]?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Or what your question means.
Division is s not the same as multiplication.
/ is not •
Watt/second is not same as watt second.
Look it up. Read your own pasted article.
bi
You probably did not study well, since the actual power is confused by the amount of power. But the amount of power is an off-system unit, invented for billing cash cows by corporations. The engineer does not need it, he needs a physical quantity. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-S-I-unit-of-speed-1
PS
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don't forget that pandora's box is open
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
yeah, watt is an indicator for average energy consumption, not for low-duration high energy peaks: a 1kj pulse with a 2ms duration = 1kj*2ms=2 joules-second, the power rate of such a pulse per second is 2 watt. cmiiw.
If you bring the indicator to SI, then to a second, if the moment is real. Only the calculation of the chain will be done on the world value. And the output power is conditionally average. Well, it's time to understand the axiom right off the bat.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
If you bring the indicator to SI, then to a second, if the moment is real. Only the calculation of the chain will be done on the world value. And the output power is conditionally average. Well, it's time to understand the axiom right off the bat.
What should I read to understand what you meant regarding energy, russian vs si, etc? I'm listening.
Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 10:07:10 AM
yeah, watt is an indicator for average energy consumption, not for low-duration high energy peaks: a 1kj pulse with a 2ms duration = 1kj*2ms=2 joules-second, the power rate of such a pulse per second is 2 watt. cmiiw.
alan,
1 kilojoule delivered, converted, otherwise used in 1 millisecond indicates an average of 1 megawatt of power over the 1 millisecond duration.
This is standard physics and conventional math. Study reputable sources. Don't take my word. Look it up. But certainly don't believe anything Mr. rakarskiy writes.
bi
bistander
"To understand what Joules × seconds means, one must understand the terms by themselves. The Joule is a unit of energy, and the second is a unit of time. So, what 500 J × s means, is that there is a source of energy that I can use in the following manner: 500 Joules for 1 second; or 250 Joules for 2 seconds; or 100 Joules for 5 seconds; or 1 Joule for 500 seconds; or in any combination of numbers who's product is 500!"
Thus: 1 joules x seconds = 1kJ for 1ms.
i wonder if that's even right lol. also 1 joule-sec = 1 joule/Hz
watt = joules/sec
joules = watt-seconds
Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 02:51:32 PM
bistander
"To understand what Joules × seconds means, one must understand the terms by themselves. The Joule is a unit of energy, and the second is a unit of time. So, what 500 J × s means, is that there is a source of energy that I can use in the following manner: 500 Joules for 1 second; or 250 Joules for 2 seconds; or 100 Joules for 5 seconds; or 1 Joule for 500 seconds; or in any combination of numbers who's product is 500!"
Thus: 1 joules x seconds = 1kJ for 1ms.
i wonder if that's even right lol. also 1 joule-sec = 1 joule/Hz
watt = joules/sec
joules = watt-seconds
alan,
"watt = joule / second"
is correct.
"joules = watt-seconds"
means joules equals watt minus seconds, which is meaninglessness.
joule = watt second
Also can be used joule = watt • second, where • is symbol for "dot product" in vector algebra, or simply multiplication with scalars or numbers. Often times symbols × or * are used for multiplication.
J = ws = Ws = W • s = W × s = W * s = watt second = Joule
This is the standard nomenclature.
bi
edit:
Look it up.
okay. - is a dash, not a minus.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2022, 01:52:09 AM
Find the optimal position of the rotor in the stator. This is not a simple process, you need to turn the rotor by one stator tooth, each time and try, you need to find the position at which the induction is maximum.
For your drive in this matter:
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE (https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE)
******
;) ;) ;)
For all who doubt, doubt your health! Take care of your nervous system!
For alternating current: input and output - the wattmeter showed everything correctly, according to its technical characteristics. It is enough to evaluate the result
Looks like I'm using the same gen. Looks like he has all the output phases wired. I didn't. Bit hard to tell what is going where. Will check again tonight
Quote from: Jimboot on June 22, 2022, 10:24:27 PM
Looks like I'm using the same gen. Looks like he has all the output phases wired. I didn't. Bit hard to tell what is going where. Will check again tonight
The result obtained on the excitation winding (the one with 8 ohm resistance) - the scheme of the experiment
PS
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don't forget that pandora's box is open
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
Thank you sir. So the 8ohm was referring to the stator and not the rotor coils in series. I appreciate the schematic. Will report back.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 23, 2022, 01:28:28 AM
The result obtained on the excitation winding (the one with 8 ohm resistance) - the scheme of the experiment
PS
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don't forget that pandora's box is open
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
How is this possible? Can you trust the meters?
I wonder if this is the scheme from Xiaodong Liu et. al.: A novel Transformer with compensation coil, which states:
QuoteThe power can be delivered with zero input current in the primary coil when the turn number of secondary
coil is the same as that of compensating coil. When a boost coil is added to the
compensating coil, the input current in primary coil is phase inverted relative to its input
voltage. A magnetic shunt is added to adjust the flux leakage of this transformer.
See attached PDF, posted in https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/345/ .
Quote from: Frederik2k1 on June 23, 2022, 02:44:52 AM
Can you trust the meters?
The best proof is self-running.
Where is FE ?
From Holcomb's Instagram site earlier today: "Exciting Development Update: HES units are being shipped out of our R and D center to installation locations around the US. Stay tuned for more information."
Quote from: Jimboot on June 23, 2022, 02:06:54 AM
Thank you sir. So the 8ohm was referring to the stator and not the rotor coils in series. I appreciate the schematic. Will report back.
Don't forget to choose the position of the rotor, the displacement at once matters. I'm waiting for news.
12 volts on my out put 8ohm coil is all I see from my 24vac 1000ma power supply input to the rotor coils in series. There is a sweet spot on the rotor position. I think my stator has 36 segments though. I'll post a pic later.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 23, 2022, 08:21:54 AM
12 volts on my out put 8ohm coil is all I see from my 24vac 1000ma power supply input to the rotor coils in series. There is a sweet spot on the rotor position. I think my stator has 36 segments though. I'll post a pic later.
open-circuit voltage indicators of the original experiment. input to the rotor winding 210V, output from the excitation winding 117V.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-ar3g4Kls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-ar3g4Kls)
Can anyone tell me what it is, after all?
This is not about Holcomb, but still very interesting.
Это чё,работает ?!!
p.s.
And about the work of this selsyn, I wanted to add.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187562/
That if the rotor is released and allowed to rotate freely, then the power on the rotor brushes is greatly reduced.
And vice versa, if the rotor is forced to rotate by another engine
in the opposite direction, power is added.
Here the mechanical version of the holcomb/dz gen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZXhUZyroA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZXhUZyroA)
The number of flux lines through the surface area of the coil doesn't change.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 23, 2022, 09:22:34 AM
open-circuit voltage indicators of the original experiment. input to the rotor winding 210V, output from the excitation winding 117V.
I have not measured current but it's not that high. Wiring the rotor coils in parallel results in 26v on the output but I cannot blow a 12v 1amp lamp and can only glow a 240v incandescent house globe dimly.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 25, 2022, 07:42:16 PM
I have not measured current but it's not that high. Wiring the rotor coils in parallel results in 26v on the output but I cannot blow a 12v 1amp lamp and can only glow a 240v incandescent house globe dimly.
What voltage is the rotor winding of your generator set (rotor-stator) rated for? Have you also found the most optimal position of the rotor in the stator?
I have indicated everything that was done in the experiment. The guy at the exit had a water heater P - 0.7 kW (220V * 3.18A, at P - 69 Ohm).
No-load EMF at the output 117V, voltage with heating on 39V. Phase resistance 8 ohms. This is the data from the video he sent me. Understand the rotor winding, what is the maximum voltage applied to its terminals.
The guy on the video launched the heating element at only 20% (140W) of its capabilities (700W). This is approximately 1.2A.
PS: You have too few values for real analysis, input power and output power are difficult to determine
I think need to be creative with any subject.
QuoteA locksmith monkey will only turn into a locksmith monkey. To make a locksmith, at least a person must be a person with the motivation to be a locksmith. Labor is different: creative, compulsory and forced. Only creativity makes a person free
An interesting picture emerges. Analyzed the result of the experiment from the video:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0LmQzSx06uE
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Compare with Ohm's law. It is very interesting how the wattmeter counts. In the secondary circuit, the voltage drop is exactly three times (117/39=3). At the generator terminals, the phase under load is 39 volts, the idle EMF is 117 volts. The wattmeter cannot measure EMF, only calculate. Therefore, its value is based on the EMF.
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Now think about it, it's enough to add 2 volts to the network a couple of times a day, and your account will be increased, you won't even notice.
And in the experiment, the power delta value is always greater than 1.
In red on the highlighted yellow field, I believe it is correct, in terms of Ohm's law.
Expanded addition: An interesting experiment was carried out with a set of a single-phase generator with electromagnetic excitation ROTOR + STATOR:
https://youtu.be/0LmQzSx06uE
In the experiment, the rotor electromagnet winding, connected in series, is connected through LATR and WATTMETER to a 220 V/50 Hz network. At the output, an excitation winding is used, with a resistance of 8 ohms. Further, through the WATTMETER, a 220V / 700W boiler is connected to it as an active load. Switching scheme and indicators on a visual slide
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/8488233.jpg
Judging by the readings of the WATTMETER, we get a power equal to 45 W from the network, and 140 W enters the load from the excitation winding (efficiency = P2 / P1 = 140/45 = 3.0). Let's try to figure out the CVC in the circuit sections of the primary and secondary circuits of our converter without moving parts. The circuit from the network to the LATR, which includes the FIRST WATTMETER. Mains voltage U1 = 220V, Power P = 45 W. The current strength for this indicator will be: I = P / U = 45/220 = 0.2A. The current in the primary circuit will be 0.2A. Perhaps the current strength indicator will have an increased value, but LATR is essentially a voltage divider. In our case, the armature electromagnet winding and the lower part of the LATR winding have a resistance calculated according to the parallel connection rule. The overall resistance will decrease. In the video, the author shows that the idle power of LATRA is 12 W, which means that the current in the circuit will be 0.05A. The real current in the rotor winding circuit will be 0.2 - 0.05 = 0.15A. Let's leave it for dessert, we will also consider the current in the rotor winding to be 0.21A, taking into account the decrease in voltage at the LATR output, to 210 volts.
Further, an interesting approach to determining the power in the circuit on the WATTMETER. I mean, consider the situation. The wattmeter at the input measures the voltage up to LATR, there are no complaints about it. Data on the voltage at the rotor terminals (in fact, at the output of the LATR: idle U2=210V; under load U3=111. We see that there is a voltage drop that is associated with the connection of the resistance of the rotor winding. According to the power calculation rule, it is necessary to take into account the real voltage and effective current in the circuit passing through the load P = I * U: 1) Option P= 0.2A * 111V = 22.2 W; 2) Option P = 0.15A * 111V = 16.6 W; 3) Option P = 0.21 A * 111 V = 23.3 W. As you can see, far from 45 W, but at idle LATRA has 0.12A * 220V = 26.6 W. How are you? The diagram of this process is below:
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/4768894.jpg
Now the most interesting thing is the measurement by the WATTMETER of the power of the secondary circuit - the winding of the generator and the active load. The WATTMETER shows 140 W of effective power, with a voltage at the phase terminals of 39V. You can roughly, very roughly calculate the current strength I = P / U = 140W / 39V = 3.59A. But I want to note that the total current for our load of 0.7 kW at 220V will be 3.18A. Our boiler was supposed to be hot, but it barely heats up. Here the reason is different, this current is a variant of compensation by the electric field of its potential difference. Our indicators: open circuit voltage U2 = 117V; under load U3 = 39V; winding resistance R1 = 8 ohms, you can calculate the load resistance by the formula R2 = U2 / P = 2202/700 = 69 ohms. We calculate the current strength of the secondary circuit I = (U2-U3) / (R1 + R2) = (117-39) / (8 + 69) = 1.2A. We can calculate the power in the secondary circuit P = 1.2A * 39V = 46.8 W. How do you like the difference 140W / 46.8W = 2.99. This is how to understand the algorithm for calculating the WATTMER, the indicator turned up, 117V * 1.2A = 140 watts. The formula of the so-called total power P = E*I, which is absurd in its essence, is used. Why you can read in my material "The resultant force of Ampere (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/rezultirujushhaja_sila_ampera/3-1-0-146)". How does this threaten the consumer and benefit the seller? If during the day the voltage in the consumer's network is raised by 2 volts several times, then your final result of power consumption will be more. You won't even notice it, you won't be able to check it. For that, on a regional scale, earnings from scratch from the seller.
Back to actually evaluating our transformation: let's do this in every aspect of our data:
1) According to input/output wattmeters: efficiency = 140 W / 45 W = 3.1;
2) According to the results of the calculation of the CVC of primary and secondary circuits: efficiency = 46.8 W / 16.6 W = 2.8 or 46.8 W / 22.2 W = 2.1;
3) For real power from the network and at the load: efficiency = 46.8 W / 45 W = 1.04.
I believe the red highlighted net conversion is in the ROTOR-STATOR assembly and is greater than one.
This data is within the conversion limits of Holcomb Energy Systems solid state generators. His reports and marketing posts show about twice the result in relation to the power of entry.
Quote from: Cadman on March 23, 2022, 10:05:26 AM
No, Holcomb didn't invent magnetic field gain. If he's for real then what he has invented is a way to utilize the magnetic gain without reflecting the load back to the primary windings.
I've spent this last winter experimenting with gain from magnetic flux. I can tell you this much, gain can be had by avoiding counter emf (Lenz) produced by secondary windings during the magnetization phase of the core primary windings. Ordinary transformers and ordinary generators do not do this.
Cadman
Agree, I also thought it is doing this.
Quote from: pix on March 23, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
Who is saying that transformers or generators are doing this?
Flyback converter is doing this.
Boost converter is doing this.
Joule Tchief is doing this .
Cheers,
Pix
Flyback has 2 self-inductance phases, continuous forward convertors & xformers reflect self-inductance as mutual inductance and bemf in the other coils, 'Holcomb' is like a continuous mode forward convertor or regular transformer but without self-inductance reflected as bemf towards the input, which normally is used as a natural gain feedback because it pumps up input current as a result output has more power, but output=input. DZ gen has variable output vs steady input, more load, less resistance, more current according to ohm, more self-inductance, but no mutual inductance and their bemf in primaries.
Quote from: alan on June 22, 2022, 06:46:26 AM
Spinning magnetic field across AC motor stator makes it an ordinary generator, the only difference is there is no mechanical rotation to create rotation of magnetic field. Lenz law apply.
The across part doesn't happen, the axis of rotation is in the same position as the center axis of the coil (this becomes obvious with the DZ gen). Otherwise you were right.
Vronk
I rewatched the DZgen video, my previous statements regarding 'axis' of rotation are wrong. The N-S-N-S poles are rotating across the faces of the coil, flux is changing.
Tonight I put a 100v 68uf cap across my 240v incandescent lamp. My 24vac supply rated at 1000ma hooked up to the 8ohm rotor coils in parallel. Output from stator coils connected to the lamp with the cap across it.
Measured with my DMM so take it with a grain of salt. However there was a significant difference visually in brightness.
Input from 24vac supply with rotor and load connected.
23vac 519ma 11.93 watts
Output from the stator connected to the / lamp cap 40vac 970ma. 38.8watts
So that was interesting.
I have also attached the model of the generator I have recycled from.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 29, 2022, 07:38:59 AM
Tonight I put a 100v 68uf cap across my 240v incandescent lamp. My 24vac supply rated at 1000ma hooked up to the 8ohm rotor coils in parallel. Output from stator coils connected to the lamp with the cap across it.
Measured with my DMM so take it with a grain of salt. However there was a significant difference visually in brightness.
Input from 24vac supply with rotor and load connected.
23vac 519ma
Output from the stator connected to the / lamp cap 40vac 970ma.
So that was interesting.
Input ROTOR: P
in = 23V * 0.519A = 11.94W;
Output LOAD: P
out = 40V * 0.970A = 38.8W;
COP = P
out / P
in = 38.8 / 11.94 = 3.2
You probably, to yourself, are afraid to admit your performance?
And perhaps a photo of the experiment?
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 29, 2022, 08:22:10 AM
Input ROTOR: Pin = 23V * 0.519A = 11.94W;
Output LOAD: Pout = 40V * 0.970A = 38.8W;
COP = Pout / Pin = 38.8 / 11.94 = 3.2
You probably, to yourself, are afraid to admit your performance?
And perhaps a photo of the experiment?
TBH I don't trust anything until it's self running :) I'll tidy everything up and do a video with measurements. If you want scope shots it may take me a while to work out how to configure my rigol . I'm more interested in trying other cap values and different resistive loads. I'd like to understand more about tuning it.
Jimboot, i do not think that from this position without changes, you can squeeze more.
The reason is that the pole piece is designed for mechanical rotation and does not have a uniform gap over the entire area of contact through the gap with the plane of the rotor.
The rotor is not designed to work with a variable excitation field.
You can try a likefuck from me. Take very small metal shavings and pva glue, make a thick mixture and fill the gap between the rotor and the stator. Back in 1982-83, we did this to increase the flux linkage of electric motors. At some point it helped, but in this version there will be no rotation.
That's all I can advise for such a pair of rotor + stator!
Quote from: Jimboot on June 29, 2022, 07:38:59 AM
Tonight I put a 100v 68uf cap across my 240v incandescent lamp. My 24vac supply rated at 1000ma hooked up to the 8ohm rotor coils in parallel. Output from stator coils connected to the lamp with the cap across it.
Measured with my DMM so take it with a grain of salt. However there was a significant difference visually in brightness.
Input from 24vac supply with rotor and load connected.
23vac 519ma 11.93 watts
Output from the stator connected to the / lamp cap 40vac 970ma. 38.8watts
So that was interesting.
I have also attached the model of the generator I have recycled from.
Hello Jim,
That was an interesting experiment!
If I may ask, are you using the same generator rotor, which is basically two coils in series?
And so, applying 23 VAC from a transformer?
You are getting an obvious gain there...may not be enough to loop or self excite...but still interesting...
However, if you are just using AC for Input into a single coil or dual in series...that is basically a transformer scenario with a primary (static rotor) and a secondary (stator).
You can not modulate field speed (basically "flashes" of up-down sinewaves) which ends up as frequency rate.
If you could share pictures of rotor-stator config it would be great.
Thanks and regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on June 29, 2022, 10:36:17 AM
Hello Jim,
That was an interesting experiment!
If I may ask, are you using the same generator rotor, which is basically two coils in series?
And so, applying 23 VAC from a transformer?
You are getting an obvious gain there...may not be enough to loop or self excite...but still interesting...
However, if you are just using AC for Input into a single coil or dual in series...that is basically a transformer scenario with a primary (static rotor) and a secondary (stator).
You can not modulate field speed (basically "flashes" of up-down sinewaves) which ends up as frequency rate.
If you could share pictures of rotor-stator config it would be great.
Thanks and regards
Ufopolitics
the two rotor coils are wired in parallel . Resistor and diode removed.hopefully I'll be able to upload more tonight. It is indeed fascinating.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 29, 2022, 08:42:17 AM
You can try a likefuck from me.
Maybe lifehack ? :D
QuoteTake very small metal shavings and pva glue, make a thick mixture and fill the gap between the rotor and the stator. Back in 1982-83, we did this to increase the flux linkage of electric motors.
And how did they rotate after that?
Quote from: kolbacict on June 30, 2022, 04:40:03 AM
Maybe lifehack ? :DAnd how did they rotate after that?
They rotated perfectly with clearly better performance than with the traditional clearance, it was just that during the solidification period it was necessary to turn the anchor slowly in the stator. Here, in the process of work, heating destroyed PVA. Not immediately, but gradually. If you apply a base that is more resistant to heat (in our 21st century this is not a problem), the operation of the electric motor will work for a long time with such an improvement.
I need new DMMs again I think. I need a better way to measure this, something physical. My readings with a new cap are so ludicrous I need to set up my Rigol 4 channel scope to do the math for Pin Pout maybe but even then I won't be convinced. I call BS on myself before anyone else does. Quite frankly I need to try and debunk what I'm seeing. My input is 15 watts. That's seems reasonable but my output is not. It's quite unreasonable but my lamp is brighter than before and the transformer is noisier so there appears to be a net gain. But until I have a physical experiment that can demonstrate the difference clearly I will not accept what my DMM is showing. I have not worked much with AC so I need to better understand what is going on here. Any suggestions for physical experiments not involving meters are welcomed. I am now able to dimly light this halogen
Quote from: Jimboot on June 30, 2022, 08:05:43 AM
Any suggestions for physical experiments not involving meters are welcomed.
Make a self-running.
QuoteThey rotated perfectly with clearly better performance than with the traditional clearance, it was just that during the solidification period it was necessary to turn the anchor slowly in the stator.
At first I thought you were gluing the rotor to the stator.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 30, 2022, 08:05:43 AM
[...] Any suggestions for physical experiments not involving meters are welcomed. I am now able to dimly light this halogen
Hello Jim,
Have you tried to read/see/measure output sinewave on a simple two channel scope versus Input signal?
This simple readout, I consider it is very important to see what is the shape and height (strength) of your output signal versus input.
Since you have AC on both sides it would be easier to compare if both probes are set exactly at same sensitivity scale.
Further on, I would recommend a Current Probe (like Tektronix A622 or A621) which you could connect to one of your scope channels.
And you have a 4 Channel Scope (I wish I had one, but they are too expensive!!) which -(as I consider it)to be the top of the tools to measure everything at once, in just one screen!!
With 4 Channels, and two current probes, plus the other two typical probes, you could measure Input V/A as Output V/A in one screen!!
These Current Probes convert in scale on Scope, Millivolts to Amps (10 mV/A-100mV/A) so you could see your amp peak on the screen.
Regards
Ufopolitics
P.D: If you are willing to, I can invite you to open your own Moderated Topic/Thread under my main thread which is based on the same principle...Moving the Magnetic Field(s) to generate Energy.
There you could align all your files, pictures and videos as any explanations in order, not scattered all over.
Not sure if this was mentioned
Bulbs can be bench calibrated for heat against input
So many input watts makes x amount of heat
Vortex1 (also used handle ION )
Taught caloric measurement
And suggested builders take a bulb up through various inputs
And scale the temperature on a chart !
Actually a very good tool for the person with limited
Equipment
And ultimately incredibly accurate for most investigations!
And it is a bit linear for seat of pants napkin calculations against mains input ( full power at wall socket
Temp
And comparing what your device temp is
Obviously there are other inputs being used in device
I would even check temp of other areas on device and log info
During different experiments
Temperature can give big clues
Respectfully
Chet K
EDIT
ION (Vortex1) did mention a small black dot on bulb (w/heat paint) as target for
Infrared thermometer to avoid sensing artifacts
However he was scientist ( very very meticulous)
Just passing info along
////////////////:/::::
Edit to Captain K below
Sounds effective!
However one of the big applications for ION's method
Was for circuits having all manner of noise RF or HV
Which were very hard to probe (without risk to equipment etc)
If such were making claims of more power out that in (or OU for Wesley!;)
Then he would say ( ION)
Do you have a thermometer and a cardboard box ??
Do you know input power ?
Take your device under test (DUT)
Place in box
Run device until temperature no longer rises in box
( becomes stable)
Obviously some device might need bigger boxes
Note final temperature ( against losses to ambient)
Now take device out of box
Place appropriately sized resistor for your claimed input
Place worlds most efficient heater ( resistor) in box !
Run test again
Compare final temp
Did your "DUT" beat the resistor at same input?
If yes
Do the happy dance
You just beat worlds most efficient heater ( all loses go to heat in resistor 100% efficient in this caloric
Test application!
Simple and brutal honesty!
He called it " Fixed loss to ambient test protocol "
Thermometer
Cardboard box
Ambient
Final stable temp is ruler or comparative!
Quote from: ramset on June 30, 2022, 10:23:26 AM
Bulbs can be bench calibrated for heat against input
So many input watts makes x amount of heat
And I placed the lamp in an opaque case and at some distance from it a photodiode.
And a simple milliammeter that measures the current generated by this photodiode.
Thus, I made an RF power meter .Which was not subject to RF interference.
Because sometimes you have to repair radio stations. ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on June 30, 2022, 09:19:00 AM
Make a self-running.
that is the obvious next step. Not sure how at this stage.I wish I had another so I coul at least daisy chain them. Thanks ufo I've had the scope on the output have not compared the with the input. Ernie's idea sounds good Chet just not sure what an appropriately sized resistor is. I used the starter cap that came with the gen last night. Pin 25.3v 600ma. Pout measured across cap 1.6A 65v. So looks like we squeezed more juice.
Quote from: Jimboot on June 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
that is the obvious next step. Not sure how at this stage.I wish I had another so I coul at least daisy chain them. Thanks ufo I've had the scope on the output have not compared the with the input. Ernie's idea sounds good Chet just not sure what an appropriately sized resistor is. I used the starter cap that came with the gen last night. Pin 25.3v 600ma. Pout measured across cap 1.6A 65v. So looks like we squeezed more juice.
Good result!
СОР = Р
out/
Pin = (65V*1.6A=
104W/25.3V*0.6A=
25.9W) = 4.0
If you want to try to close, you will have to have a voltage balance system, it is better to rely on the battery. From the battery, through the DC/AC inverter, to the rotor winding. From the phase, through the AC/DC charger, to the battery. Connect the load to the battery.
VAC? Are the values RMS or average and in phase? Only then you can simply take P=V*I. Capacitors store and release energy and can easily fool you if different factors aren't taken into consideration.
V*I of the different components in a RLC circuit at resonance show increase in energy if you don't use the RMS (instead of peak values) and power factor in the calculations.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 01, 2022, 07:26:03 AM
Good result!
СОР = Рout/Pin = (65V*1.6A=104W/25.3V*0.6A=25.9W) = 4.0
If you want to try to close, you will have to have a voltage balance system, it is better to rely on the battery. From the battery, through the DC/AC inverter, to the rotor winding. From the phase, through the AC/DC charger, to the battery. Connect the load to the battery.
@ Rakarskiy,
Sorry, I disagree...yes, a battery (or supercaps) are better...but Jim have AC to AC no DC involved.
So, IMHO, to start converting from AC to DC and then back from DC to AC...is where we get screwed off.
See, these systems are not "Overunity Galore"...they are only a few volts and a few Amps above Unity...and if you waste those in conversions...it simply will not loop or close system.
Look at Cotnoir DZ Generator, it only had a few volts and some milliamps above...
Anyways, tight up with time here...so
@Jim Boot
You have a great system there!!...try not to mess it up, please!
You could try looping by using an Inductive load, a Transformer, in order to down, just a bit, your Input power from Output...
You may have to build your own trafo for that specific job.
But by using a small down transformer, you will not need to convert AC to DC and vice versa, All you will need is to tune the Input with right wire thickness and turns on secondary of transformer...
From my own experience, these systems work much better when loaded with Inductive loads...as you will see on your scope...the output sinewave will be "chopped" from peak rounded curves to a "look alike" Square Wave, but will still remain above unity or Input peak!!
Remember DZ Generator...Pierre have to make a specific transformer, where he modified just the secondary in order to deliver his 26V at input...still, he had a lot of losses with resistor-heatsinked and many other stuff...again, he had to convert AC to DC...
But you do not need that Jim!!
Now, a question: Your Generator have two stator circuits, one for exciter and other for mains output...
The one for exciter being of finer gauge, lesser loops...
Which one are you using for your output tests?
Regards
Ufopolitics
Thanks everyone for the input. Trying very hard not to screw it up. :) A low bar I know. Inductive loads don't work. Resistive loads I think are forming part of a resonant LC circuit .
UFO I have wired all the stator coils in series. I have made a video with scope shots. The close up of the 240v 25w lamp is when it is connected directly to the 24vac power supply. The wider shot is the lamp connected to the generator powered by the same supply
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 07:58:37 AM
@ Rakarskiy,
Sorry, I disagree...yes, a battery (or supercaps) are better...but Jim have AC to AC no DC involved.
So, IMHO, to start converting from AC to DC and then back from DC to AC...is where we get screwed off.
Hello!
You yourself said AC input and output. Alternating current has a feature, a zero zone.
If there is no buffer with an electrical voltage source, the next input cycle will not come.
There is no flywheel here, which is also a source and accumulator of momentum and inertia for the continuation of impulses.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 01, 2022, 09:02:24 AM
Hello!
You yourself said AC input and output. Alternating current has a feature, a zero zone.
If there is no buffer with an electrical voltage source, the next input cycle will not come.
There is no flywheel here, which is also a source and accumulator of momentum and inertia for the continuation of impulses.
Sincerely.
@Rakarskyi,
Yes, I agree that AC has a zero zone, so a buffer, in between must be used...but, remember as you have said yourself before,
there is a communication established between rotor-stator, in terms of In/Out sync of sinewaves...before loading.
So, I believe it could be done "raw", maybe an AC running cap of the same capacity on both ends will ease the closing.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Jimboot on July 01, 2022, 08:51:34 AM
Thanks everyone for the input. Trying very hard not to screw it up. :) A low bar I know. Inductive loads don't work. Resistive loads I think are forming part of a resonant LC circuit .
UFO I have wired all the stator coils in series. I have made a video with scope shots. The close up of the 240v 25w lamp is when it is connected directly to the 24vac power supply. The wider shot is the lamp connected to the generator powered by the same supply
@Jim,
I have done a similar experiment, I also have an 800-900 Watts Generator Stator...except my Rotor was a motor armature and I was using DC to rotate field with my rotary power switch.
But I also set both generator stator circuit windings in series, because by themselves, each will not do it enough...
However, there is a throw out side, a back lash here, both circuits are different wire gauge, plus lesser turns, plus set at 90° apart...So, your rotor positioning here is crucial...try aiming poles in between those 90° convergence, say at 45°...or near that.
Try "tuning it" by hand, very small angle turns...while checking output.
This means that whenever you load them in series, your drop power would be huge...
It would be great if you could rise your input frequency somehow...but you are tight down to 50 Hz... :(
Try by setting the stator circuits in parallel...it would be lesser voltage but more amps...see how lamp performs.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 09:14:23 AM
@Rakarskyi,
Yes, I agree that AC has a zero zone, so a buffer, in between must be used...but, remember as you have said yourself before, there is a communication established between rotor-stator, in terms of In/Out sync of sinewaves...before loading.
So, I believe it could be done "raw", maybe an AC running cap of the same capacity on both ends will ease the closing.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
There are no waves there, there is a magnetic saturation of the core (with an increase in the field in electrical steel) depending on the magnetic intensity of the electromagnet of the rotor, which in turn creates this intensity with alternating current.
No current, no field, no emf in the secondary circuit.
Sincerely!
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 01, 2022, 09:43:58 AM
There are no waves there, there is a magnetic saturation of the core (with an increase in the field in electrical steel) depending on the magnetic intensity of the electromagnet of the rotor, which in turn creates this intensity with alternating current.
No current, no field, no emf in the secondary circuit.
Sincerely!
@Rakarskyi
There are no (sine)waves here??!!
Whenever that Rotor Coils swap between positive to negative pulses...what do you think is going to reflect on the scope?
A straight flat line?!
Come on Rakarskyi!!...you know better than that!!
@Jim Boot:
Could you please, show Us a screen shot of your scope
output signal?
As well, another one of the
Input...
Thanks
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 07:58:37 AM
...
You may have to build your own trafo for that specific job.
...
Why not just use a Variac?
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 01, 2022, 12:51:18 PM
Why not just use a Variac?
bi
Hello Bi,
It could be a Variac...however, doesn't Variacs require a minimum Input VAC to transfer power to secondary?
Like 120VAC?
And this is due to the number of windings and gauge of wire used at primary...
That I have understood Variacs potentiometer only works at output (secondary)
Or maybe am wrong, as it could take any input below 120VAC...
I could be, as I have never used one...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 01:10:08 PM
Hello Bi,
It could be a Variac...however, doesn't Variacs require a minimum Input VAC to transfer power to secondary?
Like 120VAC?
And this is due to the number of windings and gauge of wire used at primary...
That I have understood Variacs potentiometer only works at output (secondary)
Or maybe am wrong, as it could take any input below 120VAC...
I could be, as I have never used one...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I'm pretty sure there is no problem at less than rated voltage. Of course, output voltage percentage remains the same, like 0 to 125%, typically. Neat devices. I like them. Here's a few links which appear informative. I notice tutorial videos out there also.
https://eepower.com/technical-articles/variable-transformers-operation-and-applications/
https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transformer/auto-transformer.html
https://variac.com
Not expensive and often found surplus/used for cheap. Easier than custom winding a xformer.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 09:24:47 AM
@Jim,
I have done a similar experiment, I also have an 800-900 Watts Generator Stator...except my Rotor was a motor armature and I was using DC to rotate field with my rotary power switch.
But I also set both generator stator circuit windings in series, because by themselves, each will not do it enough...
However, there is a throw out side, a back lash here, both circuits are different wire gauge, plus lesser turns, plus set at 90° apart...So, your rotor positioning here is crucial...try aiming poles in between those 90° convergence, say at 45°...or near that.
Try "tuning it" by hand, very small angle turns...while checking output.
This means that whenever you load them in series, your drop power would be huge...
It would be great if you could rise your input frequency somehow...but you are tight down to 50 Hz... :(
Try by setting the stator circuits in parallel...it would be lesser voltage but more amps...see how lamp performs.
Regards
Ufopolitics
having the stators in parallel would be good to check. Thanks ufo. Rest assured I have spent hours slowly turning the rotor mm by mm to find the best spot. As you will see in last nights video. It varies with the cap value used.
As inductive loads seem to be seen as a short, you would have to use resistive loads to loop it. You could not daisy chain these for the same reason. So thermal exchanges or peltier devices I guess. I was able to charge a battery via a fwbr. I also connected a halogen directly to the 24vac supply and checked temp difference when run off the gen. Off the 24vac it was room temp as it was not glowing but was drawing current. Off the gen it was 36 degrees Celsius higher.
Quote from: Jimboot on July 01, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
I also connected a halogen directly to the 24vac supply and checked temp difference when run off the gen. Off the 24vac it was room temp as it was not glowing but was drawing current. Off the gen it was 36 degrees Celsius higher.
Hello Jim,
Your simple experiment above proves the gain is real.I also have seen these anomalies which shows higher output than input. But as you, I also have my doubts about Amperage readings...I have a great Amp clamp, but since it works based on magnetism, it could alter results if it gets close to where magnetic field is rotating or alternating (in your case).
I am going to test next with a Current Probe to make sure my clamp is right.
Also, I believe a very radical Voltage drop with a load on (seen on Meters and on Scope Sinewave, shows that the amperage is not as strong and high.
These Generators Stators are wound to work at rotational speeds of the Field above the 3000 RPM's...or above 50 Hz.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 01, 2022, 08:58:55 PM
Hello Jim,
Your simple experiment above proves the gain is real.
I also have seen these anomalies which shows higher output than input. But as you, I also have my doubts about Amperage readings...I have a great Amp clamp, but since it works based on magnetism, it could alter results if it gets close to where magnetic field is rotating or alternating (in your case).
I am going to test next with a Current Probe to make sure my clamp is right.
Also, I believe a very radical Voltage drop with a load on (seen on Meters and on Scope Sinewave, shows that the amperage is not as strong and high.
These Generators Stators are wound to work at rotational speeds of the Field above the 3000 RPM's...or above 50 Hz.
Regards
Ufopolitics
interesting thanks mate. For some reason my scope seems to be 3 times higher than the dmm so I have a config issue but the relative difference of voltage seems to match the dmm. https://youtu.be/lIjecj207KU (https://youtu.be/lIjecj207KU)
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Getting phase cancelation trying to run the stator coils in parallel. Also just dimly lit a 30watt fl which was weird. The power out is directly related to the load. Ie my 12v 1amp lamp will not blow. Under load it measures 25vac but only 600ma
Quote from: Jimboot on July 02, 2022, 02:17:12 AM
Getting phase cancelation trying to run the stator coils in parallel. Also just dimly lit a 30watt fl which was weird. The power out is directly related to the load. Ie my 12v 1amp lamp will not blow. Under load it measures 25vac but only 600ma
Check again. Possible switching error or very fast saturation to the maximum. EMF and current only when the curve goes up or down.
Quote from: Jimboot on July 02, 2022, 02:17:12 AM
Getting phase cancelation trying to run the stator coils in parallel.
Hey Jim,
If you are getting canceled out in parallel it is because you have end-start in one point out, and end-start on second point out, so they will cancel.
Each coil or circuit of series coils always have a Start and an End terminal.
For Parallel output, it must be start with start and End with End.
So, try reversing
just one of the two circuits terminals (Exciter or Main Out) and reconnect.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Jimboot , a series connection is one winding resistance as a load. Parallel connection is a reduced winding resistance as a load. Take simply measure the resistance of the windings in series and parallel, and calculate the current according to Ohm's Law. You may find an error.
Another interesting patent!
"Motor generator and other transformer" - 1935-11-19 Publication of US2021177A
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2021177?oq=US2021177
QuoteThe rotor ll of the motor-generator is shown in figures I and II and is provided with four poles I6. Rotor me! mounted on a shaft l 8 and can rotate with this shaft. A pair of insulated slip rings l3 and another pair of insulated slip rings I4 are also mounted on shaft l8 and rotate with this shaft. The slip rings M are rotatably connected at point b with the pole winding 1 of the rotor II. In the modification shown in the drawings, the pole windings I of the rotor II are connected in parallel with the primary windings 6 of the stator. Obviously, the windings 6 and I can be connected to different energy sources or connected to each other in series or jointly.
DC power supply 22, shown schematically in FIG. I, is connected by conductors to a pair of fixed brushes l5, which are pressed against two rotating current collector rings 14. Thus, the electric current is directed from the source 22 to the pole windings of the rotor I. so that the l6 poles are magnetized and create a magnetic field, the lines of which pass through the primary circuit 6 and secondary circuit 4 of the stator.
The fixed commutator 9 surrounds the shaft i8 and is provided with a number of conductive segments which are insulated from each other. The rotating brush holder I9 is rigidly fixed to the shaft l8 and can rotate with it. The brush holder is equipped with a plurality of rotating brushes 2, which rest against the segments of the fixed collector 9. The brushes l2 are connected at point a by slip rings l3. The fixed brushes [0, the ends of which abut against the fixed slip rings :3, are connected to a DC source 22 by conductors 2.
:o I wonder why noone tried to buil this Ion Motor from the past. No need for new engineering.
Tried to. :)
Please note that Slobodyan's video, which I posted a week ago, also has eight stator poles and four brushes. All this was ignored. :(
So lets do it together. I can support the ion motor by building all parts. Have all necessary conections. Perhaps someone else would like to join such Team.
A 1935 technology without any electronic parts should be not so complicated.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 03, 2022, 03:18:39 AM
Another interesting patent!
"Motor generator and other transformer" - 1935-11-19 Publication of US2021177A
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2021177?oq=US2021177 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US2021177?oq=US2021177)
Hello
This is a waste of time.
We went through that Patent (in detail) back on 2011-2012...on My Asymmetric Machines at Energetic Forum, because of its similarities in structure.
But it is basically a DC to AC Converter (Inverter) where the DC Motor converts into AC by induction transfer of both windings (DC-AC) within armature core...slip rings collect AC at the other side of shaft.
And they did build some prototypes into production...nothing more than a Electro-mechanical inverter, ruled by the basic Ohm Law...no OU here.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 03, 2022, 01:57:53 PM
Hello
This is a waste of time.
We went through that Patent (in detail) back on 2011-2012...on My Asymmetric Machines at Energetic Forum, because of its similarities in structure.
But it is basically a DC to AC Converter (Inverter) where the DC Motor converts into AC by induction transfer of both windings (DC-AC) within armature core...slip rings collect AC at the other side of shaft.
And they did build some prototypes into production...nothing more than a Electro-mechanical inverter, ruled by the basic Ohm Law...no OU here.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html?m=1
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 02, 2022, 12:54:56 PM
Hey Jim,
If you are getting canceled out in parallel it is because you have end-start in one point out, and end-start on second point out, so they will cancel.
Each coil or circuit of series coils always have a Start and an End terminal.
For Parallel output, it must be start with start and End with End.
So, try reversing just one of the two circuits terminals (Exciter or Main Out) and reconnect.
Regards
Ufopolitics
I checked polarity before posting.. cannot get the effect with two in parallel.
Ran the halogen test again. I'll be surprised if my amp reading is correct but there is over a 40 c temp diff with using the generator.
rakarskiy
Quotehttps://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html?m=1
You did a really good job on that article.
QuoteAlexander and Smith were unable to fully explain how this energy is obtained from "nothing", however, they noted that people have long been able to do much more than they know and understand, and go far to find unnecessary examples - just look on this car that drives. The inventors called the demonstrated phenomenon "superpower" because it uses three types of energy to achieve this goal.
The design is based on a transformer (converter), which is also the rotor of a generator (crossed by a magnetic flux). The AC output is the result of two electromagnetic influences. Recall that the rate of change of acceleration - the third derivative of the coordinate - is a jerk.
The rotor is a transformer core and has a group of paired windings. Each section of the rotor has two windings, one of which works as the primary winding of the transformer and as the motor winding, and the other as the secondary winding of the transformer and as the generator winding. In this case, only permanent magnets are located on the stator.
This is a common theme and countless inventors have claimed it's a transformer but not a transformer. As well, as you pointed out, almost all of these inventors had no idea where the energy was coming from. We know it must come from somewhere however it remains a mystery...
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 04, 2022, 01:40:23 AM
rakarskiy
You did a really good job on that article.
This is a common theme and countless inventors have claimed it's a transformer but not a transformer. As well, as you pointed out, almost all of these inventors had no idea where the energy was coming from. We know it must come from somewhere however it remains a mystery...
Regards
AC
Interesting question, isn't it! And where does the energy in a traditional mechanical synchronous generator come from?
Once again, I recommend reading and understanding!
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html
I ask, is a single-phase electric motor with not three, but with two windings and a phase-shifting capacitor suitable for your experiments?
Similar to the Soviet "СД-54" ?
My current measurements are definitely wrong. I need a variac but in the meantime I'll resort to excess heat measurements. The lamp should be easy but the power supply a little trickier. I think a 10 minute duration for the tests then wait until both lamp and supply are back at room temp before conducting the next test. I have a dmm probe for the lamp and an infrared thermometer for the supply. I should be able to calibrate before hand by hitting the thermistor probe with the IR gun.
Quote from: Jimboot on July 04, 2022, 04:29:37 AM
My current measurements are definitely wrong. I need a variac but in the meantime I'll resort to excess heat measurements. The lamp should be easy but the power supply a little trickier. I think a 10 minute duration for the tests then wait until both lamp and supply are back at room temp before conducting the next test. I have a dmm probe for the lamp and an infrared thermometer for the supply. I should be able to calibrate before hand by hitting the thermistor probe with the IR gun.
Jimboot, measure the heating power of the lamp, there will be even greater inaccuracies.
You need to measure all the resistances: rotor windings, generator windings, loads.
Next, the open circuit voltage of the AC voltage source; voltage at the rotor terminals when the generator is turned on with an open circuit. Rotor terminal voltage with phase load on. If there is an ammeter, the current strength at idle and with a load.
Further - the voltage at the terminals of the generator without load, the voltage at the terminals of the generator with a load, if possible, the current strength in the phase and load circuit in both inclusions.
With these data it is quite possible to determine the effectiveness of your experiment.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 04, 2022, 04:20:24 AM
I ask, is a single-phase electric motor with not three, but with two windings and a phase-shifting capacitor suitable for your experiments?
Similar to the Soviet "СД-54" ?
Use the engines for their intended purpose. For the experiment, a pair of rotor + stator from a single-phase generator is needed, which are installed in gas generators.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 04, 2022, 04:20:24 AM
I ask, is a single-phase electric motor with not three, but with two windings and a phase-shifting capacitor suitable for your experiments?
Similar to the Soviet "СД-54" ?
A 2-phase stator will give a traveling flux wave around the air gap hence it is used as an economical means for single phase applications by using a capacitor making a second phase in the stator winding. This method overcomes the zero starting torque of 1-phase induction motors. However the resulting RMF is considerably different than what is achieved using balanced 3-phase, which is a constant magnitude RMF with sinusoidal space distribution. I don't know whether the effect you're looking for is possible using a 2-phase system. When attempting to replicate, it is foolish to stray from the given formula, IMO.
Also, the cage rotor presents problems. How to measure induced parameters?
bi
Quote from: Jimboot on July 04, 2022, 04:29:37 AM
My current measurements are definitely wrong. I need a variac but in the meantime I'll resort to excess heat measurements. The lamp should be easy but the power supply a little trickier. I think a 10 minute duration for the tests then wait until both lamp and supply are back at room temp before conducting the next test. I have a dmm probe for the lamp and an infrared thermometer for the supply. I should be able to calibrate before hand by hitting the thermistor probe with the IR gun.
Hi Jimboot
If a drive is made, it should be isolation, in my experiments I have never been able to connect input with exit with the same circuit, there must always be an isolation.
Cheers
Well this is what I have so far. I dont have enough meters to perform all tests at once. Turns out my power supply is drawing current without being connected to a load so possibly on it's last legs?
Light in a bottle test.
Lamp and supply temp tests
Without generator.
Start
Ambient temp 11c
Lamp 11c
Power supply 18c
At 10 mins
Ambient temp 11c
Lamp 15c
Power Supply 18.1
With generator
Start
Ambient temp 11c
Lamp 11c
Power Supply 19.1c
At 10 mins
Ambient temp 11c
Lamp 40c
Power Supply 18.9c
The lamp is in a bottle with a cap loosely fitted. I think the 4c rise in temp of the lamp in the first test is probably from the heating of conductors as the filament does not glow.
Quote from: onepower on July 04, 2022, 01:40:23 AM
rakarskiy
You did a really good job on that article.
Yeah, I thought it was a myth.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2022, 05:25:26 AM
For the experiment, a pair of rotor + stator from a single-phase generator is needed, which are installed in gas generators.
How are you going to create a rotating field with a single phase stator or armature? :o
QuoteI don't know whether the effect you're looking for is possible using a 2-phase system. When attempting to replicate, it is foolish to stray from the given formula, IMO.
Yes, it's probably not the best option.
Quote from: alan on July 04, 2022, 07:43:00 AM
Yeah, I thought it was a myth.
QuoteNew York Times (Wednesday, March 7, 1928)
Priest Has Motor Run By 'Ion Energy'
Jesuit Inventor From Brazil Is Here To market Product, Now Undergoing Patent Tests ~ Not A Fuelless Machine ~ "Inter-Atomic" Force Increases Electric Battery power, He Says -- Discounts Hendershot Claims
An Italian Jesuit priest from Brazil announced here yesterday that he had invented a motor that makes use of "interatomic" energy to generate many times the power it receives originally from an electric battery. The motor is now at Washington, where it is undergoing the Patent Office investigation.
The priest is the Rev. Antonio d'Angelo, S.J., a stocky, earnest little man who combines missionary work in Brazil with tinkering in his own electrical laboratory. He speaks no English, but told of his machine through his brother, Biagio d'Angelo of 1475 LeLand Ave., the Bronx.
Father d'Angelo became interested in electricity 20 years ago when he was a student at a Jesuit seminary in Naples. A year and a half ago he was sent out by his Order to Brazil to carry on missionary work at Ribeirao Preto among the Italian emigrants. He had to get a special dispensation from Bishop Alberto Gonzales of Ribeirao Preto to visit the United States where, so his brother had written him, fortune comes more easily to the man with a money-saving device. He came here in November 1927, and has urged his Bishop to extend his leave of six months.
The missionary priest does not believe in the Hendershot "fuelless motor".
"I challenge anyone", he said yesterday, "to use the magnetic field of the earth for running a motor. The energy from that would be too small".
His motor, he said, could be used in the home to supply electric lighting cheaply, and even heating. He said that it could be used to run trains, airplanes and automobiles.
Father d'Angelo had a plan of his motor with him yesterday. He showed how it started to develop energy from an electric battery, and how this original impulse worked on the machine to generate many times its power through the "electricity produced by the inter-atomic energy of the ions".
Hi Ufopolitics,
Great Demo, Information and Work at your "Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils" thread
[ https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549 (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549) ].
Thanks for the clear overview and detailed explainations.
Your "STATOR 1 and STATOR 2" winding configurations are quite interesting - hope to simulate them with the Lingen as soon as some CPU
time is freed up.
This comment is posted here so as not to polute your main thread.
Looking exceptionally good IMHO! More convinced with every step of progress achieved that this is the "excess energy real deal."
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on July 04, 2022, 03:15:21 PM
Hi Ufopolitics,
Great Demo, Information and Work at your "Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils" thread
[ https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549 (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549) ].
Thanks for the clear overview and detailed explainations.
Your "STATOR 1 and STATOR 2" winding configurations are quite interesting - hope to simulate them with the Lingen as soon as some CPU
time is freed up.
This comment is posted here so as not to polute your main thread.
Looking exceptionally good IMHO! More convinced with every step of progress achieved that this is the "excess energy real deal."
SL
Thanks SL
Yes I believe -so far- is showing something...not the way I am looking for...but, hey, something is something...
I am not happy with the Stator neither with Static Rotor...so I am in the process of building a new Rotor Core, hollow center...and 16 fully expanded coils, not like I have now which is 8 pairs of coils which gives a very low resolution field of about 45º steps...which is terrible!!
At least with the fully expanded 16 coils I will have 22.5º better resolution...
I am making a specific rotor core, where each steel tooth bar, will not be connected (steel-magnetic wise) with next...just by the energization of coils will keep them generating the field together...but as rotation goes on, field will literally jump from tooth bar to tooth bar...I expect a much better result.
Related to Stator winding...is not good also, I have like 20 ohms total on output terminals...and that is way too much resistance!!
I will be looking for like 4 or 5 ohms max.
It is a long and painful process...getting to the truth, my friend...but we will get there, sooner than later.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Rakarskiy
QuoteInteresting question, isn't it! And where does the energy in a traditional mechanical synchronous generator come from?
Once again, I recommend reading and understanding!
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html
It's an interesting and popular theory however I always had serious reservations because of the reasoning involved.
Adding a steel core, more so a closed core, can concentrate the magnetic field increasing the efficiency of induction over an air or open core coil. However this is not a gain in energy, were simply utilizing more of the energy already present and wasting less as heat and other losses.
As well, calculations are problematic which is why I do experiments. I wanted to understand the very thing in question many years ago so I used an Arduino/Labview and voltage, current and a hall effect sensors to graph and analyze various coil and transformer setups. That is analyze the real time magnetic field strength versus voltage, current and energy input.
Which led me to believe many were barking up the wrong tree and using ambiguous simulation/calculations instead of real experiments. As the saying goes, knowing what doesn't work can save us a lot of time and help us move in a more productive direction.
Regards
AC
MAGNETIC GAIN
By operating in the non-linear region of a ferromagnetic material (electrical steel, metglas, etc.)
the "H" (source input - A/m) is amplified (gain); "B" (result - Tesla or Gauss).
The elevated region of the "dB/dH derivative" plot shows this region where this "gain" is most prevalent
(dB/dH - change in "B" vs change in "H").
In a linear material, input "H" yields output "B", Amp Turns = Teslas. In a non-linear material, by operating
in the non-linear (unsaturated) region, you can achieve a gain (see equations below). [Color diagram may
not be correct, re: co-energy, depending on the definition used; but the concept is there]
This also applies when considering operation of a non-linear inductor (some devices use this as well). See below.
Physically, the pole structures focus the generated magnetic fields, much the same as a parabolic antenna
directs, or focuses, a Radio Frequency (RF) energy beam.
PS - Knowing what DOES WORK (and why) can also save a lot of time! Simulations, calculations, and good theory
can also save a lot of time and money!
PS2 - The Holcomb techniques are now well understood while the theory and analysis have been varified many
times. In fact, HES has begun shipping Beta units.
SL
So doesn't this lesson on ferromagnetic material and inductance explain why the input current goes way up when Ufo slows down the RMF?
It's like applying too high voltage (or too low frequency) to a transformer.
Referred to as the proper V/f ratio (volts per hertz) for the winding design. Use a V/f ratio too high and current input goes up in a hurry with little, if any, benefit.
bi
Quote from: onepower on July 04, 2022, 08:52:17 PM
Rakarskiy
It's an interesting and popular theory however I always had serious reservations because of the reasoning involved.
Adding a steel core, more so a closed core, can concentrate the magnetic field increasing the efficiency of induction over an air or open core coil. However this is not a gain in energy, were simply utilizing more of the energy already present and wasting less as heat and other losses.
As well, calculations are problematic which is why I do experiments. I wanted to understand the very thing in question many years ago so I used an Arduino/Labview and voltage, current and a hall effect sensors to graph and analyze various coil and transformer setups. That is analyze the real time magnetic field strength versus voltage, current and energy input.
Which led me to believe many were barking up the wrong tree and using ambiguous simulation/calculations instead of real experiments. As the saying goes, knowing what doesn't work can save us a lot of time and help us move in a more productive direction.
Regards
AC
Теория?!!! Интересно, какое у вас образование?
Это не теория, это отрасль науки и инженерного проектирования.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_circuit
Find a branch of science that studies the magnetic properties of materials that change with time.
It's just that there is magnetostatics, but how strongly it is presented on Wikipedia:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostatics
:) :D ;D ;)
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 12:55:59 AM
So doesn't this lesson on ferromagnetic material and inductance explain why the input current goes away up when Ufo slows down the RMF?
It's like applying too high voltage (or too low frequency) to a transformer.
Referred to as the proper V/f ratio (volts per hertz) for the winding design. Use a V/f ratio too high and current input goes up in a hurry with little, if any, benefit.
bi
It is explained by an elementary dependence, the greater the speed, the greater the EMF:
E = B * L * V (m/s); or E = 4 * k *w * f(Hz) * B * S; where: k - winding coefficient (0.8-0.9); w - the number of turns; The rest of the designations, I hope, do not need to be specified!
If you can make calculations using these formulas, for example, the EMF on the UFOpolitik generator, you will get the same result when you know exactly what the rotating field in the generator stator is.
Let's see what i found "хрень" ! БД-160А ;)
https://s1.slide-share.ru/s_slide/73ce0ef531679a5779095155213e63bb/a36e6607-2345-4571-ac04-6bdd3c934d64.jpeg (https://s1.slide-share.ru/s_slide/73ce0ef531679a5779095155213e63bb/a36e6607-2345-4571-ac04-6bdd3c934d64.jpeg)
Three phase stator and one phase rotor by circular transformer.
Will it go?
p.s.
https://youtube.com/shorts/7hn7UOeC75E?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/7hn7UOeC75E?feature=share)
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 12:55:59 AM
So doesn't this lesson on ferromagnetic material and inductance explain why the input current goes away up when Ufo slows down the RMF?
It's like applying too high voltage (or too low frequency) to a transformer.
Referred to as the proper V/f ratio (volts per hertz) for the winding design. Use a V/f ratio too high and current input goes up in a hurry with little, if any, benefit.
bi
Hello Bistander,
First, would like to correct maybe a typo?...when you wrote the bold (by me) statement above: "the input current goes away up"
Maybe you meant: the input current goes way up...
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 12:55:59 AM
It's like applying too high voltage (or too low frequency) to a transformer.
I rather go for the second one: lowering the frequency...since I did not apply too high voltage. This Rotor winding could take up to 100 + Volts...and like 2 Amps.
Unfortunately I do not have a PSU that can increase Voltage up to 100-150 Volts...
But, regardless of lowering frequency or speed of Field...Isn't this the same exact response that takes place when we force-stop mechanically the shaft of any brushed (whether Universal or PM) motor while running at full speed plus loaded mechanically?
And I will go to another example...a running and loaded generator...so, let's say something went "south" with the ICE and all the sudden, shaft stopped turning while running loaded, or even went below operational speed to very low rotation...also, let's assume the AVR did not respond in time...what happens then?
Definitively power goes completely off...but beyond that...what happens with all that high amperage retained at stator coils, not "pumping out"?
So, if I were to compare this situations, I rather use a "Liquid Pump" for comparison:
Say a pump running any liquid at high pressures, and all the sudden its propeller stops turning?
All this rush of high pressure liquid, accumulates right at the Intake (Input) gate...while the output stays empty...as stopped propeller blocks flow from going through...like a closed valve.
I will tell you about another completely opposite "anomaly" that took place on the other side...the Output.
The Input amperage went very low, like 0.68 Amps...and Output Amps went from 4, 5 to 6 Amps...while output voltage dropped down radically...and lamp went off...it happened because a "malfunction" of the rotary switch, where some brushes (out of the four I have) started arcing too much by separation and motor went to too high speed (because friction was released)...
I then slowed motor down and everything went back to normal...but I kept playing with it...to find exactly the reason...
What do you think about it?
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I corrected away ---> way. Thanks.
It is the V/f ratio that's important. I realize you didn't increase voltage input.
In the pump, when mechanical input stops, pressure stops, right?
When your commutator malfunctioned, perhaps the input resistance increased causing reduced input current. And consequential distortion of RMF caused bucking induced potentials meaning low output voltage.
You did an excellent experiment but I fail to see an extraordinary result.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:34:58 AM
Ufo,
I corrected away ---> way. Thanks.
My pleasure
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:34:58 AMIt is the V/f ratio that's important. I realize you didn't increase voltage input.
No, I did not increase input voltage, I only decreased Input Voltage to Rotary Switch small motor...and that was it.
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:34:58 AMIn the pump, when mechanical input stops, pressure stops, right?
Not so fast...any pump generates two pressures, a called "negative" or suction at input, and an exhaust or "positive" at pump output...and so, every system in our universe tries always to stabilize...whether natural or man made...unless it is forced to do otherwise.
In the example I mentioned before, when propelling mechanisms stop, yes positive (output) pressure drops...but negative (Input) pressure increases.
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:34:58 AMWhen your commutator malfunctioned, perhaps the input resistance increased causing reduced input current. And consequential distortion of RMF caused bucking induced potentials meaning low output voltage.
I understood perfectly well the drop off voltage...but, what about that excess of output amperage in the range of the 5 and 6 amps, while at 0.68A at Input?...where did they come from?
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:34:58 AMYou did an excellent experiment but I fail to see an extraordinary result.
bi
Maybe you will like better my next two test videos...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 05, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
...
I understood perfectly well the drop off voltage...but, what about that excess of output amperage in the range of the 5 and 6 amps, while at 0.68A at Input?...where did they come from?
...
Regards
Ufopolitics
You're saying, with the same load, the load voltage goes down and load current goes up when something occurred on the input?
Sounds fishy. Can you get a video of it happening?
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 04:25:26 PM
You're saying, with the same load, the load voltage goes down and load current goes up when something occurred on the input?
Sounds fishy. Can you get a video of it happening?
bi
Fishy?
Do you think I am altering something?
There was a malfunction on the brushes...switching motor speed increased beyond my control (while I was tunning it up), output V dropped radically, bulb went off, and output amperage reached the 6.06 amps
Watch images...
As...
I do not call this image below an "anomaly"...just because by the lighting of Bulb, it is obvious Voltage dropped down and amperage rised up...above unity (1.10Amp above, to be more specific), if you look at Input Amps at the blue screen.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
P.D: I will upload that full video unedited tomorrow on my Thread...I am just giving time for viewers to watch the one uploaded today...but it is already on my YouTube Channel
If you want to watch it...right at the exact time where it starts doing these anomalies go to 12:12 (https://youtu.be/P9IuEYrMKy8?t=732)
Hey Ufo,
I'm not accusing you of anything. Photos show a wire (test lead) passing through the clamp ammeter then to one terminal of the lamp. Lamp appears off. Meter reads ~ 6 amps. Assumption is that lamp typically glows at 6A or less.
That's fishy, meaning something unusual is happening. What do you think it is? Did you put another ammeter on/in the circuit to check? What was the ammeter reading when the test lead was unclipped from the lamp? Heavy solar activity that day? Invisible light from the lamp? Is it repeatable? Does the lamp operate normally elsewhere? Is the battery in the ammeter fresh? File it under unexplainable or do a press release to claim overunity. Good luck.
bi
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Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 05:21:30 PM
Hey Ufo,
I'm not accusing you of anything. Photos show a wire (test lead) passing through the clamp ammeter then to one terminal of the lamp. Lamp appears off. Meter reads ~ 6 amps. Assumption is that lamp typically glows at 6A or less.
Nope, negative, this 120V/60Watts Lamp will not even dim at 6A and 7.0 Volts AC...
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 05:21:30 PMThat's fishy, meaning something unusual is happening. What do you think it is? Did you put another ammeter on/in the circuit to check? What was the ammeter reading when the test lead was unclipped from the lamp? Heavy solar activity that day? Invisible light from the lamp? Is it repeatable? Does the lamp operate normally elsewhere? Is the battery in the ammeter fresh? File it under unexplainable or do a press release to claim overunity. Good luck.
bi
Ok,
;D ...I have not claimed OU...it is not, let's just call it "an anomaly".
Later, am done for today.
And you know what?...I just remember, I have a video taken around 6 or 7 years ago...where something similar took place, related to amperage increase over input, but voltage was too low, when I was collapsing the field...and I uploaded it, then...but I believe it was unlisted...have to look for it.
tomorrow
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 05:21:30 PM
Hey Ufo
What do you think it is?
bi
It is simply showing me the way to achieve this same effect in a more "controlable" way...
Remember I built that Rotary switch from scratch...
Later
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 05, 2022, 05:53:04 PM
It is simply showing me the way to achieve this same effect in a more "controlable" way...
Remember I built that Rotary switch from scratch...
Later
Nice work! My halogen will not light at all on 24VAC power supply. Adding more capacitance on the stator side increases the brightness. Have you tried different lamp types? Thanks for the share.
Thank you to those who are running experiments and simulations and sharing your hard work!
For Newcomers who may be overwhelmed by the branches this thread has taken, the following concise summary of the Holcomb Energy System was posted on their Instagram page today. [HES first product will be the ILPG, initial units of which they report are now being shipped to select locations in the US. ILPG is not yet available for wide distribution.]
"What is the Holcomb Energy System?
There are 3 versions of the HES. All use no fuel, put out no emissions, and have no moving parts:
1. The HES In-Line Power Generator (ILPG): Takes power input from any source, like the grid or renewables, and magnifies power output up to 500%.
2. The HES Self-Sustaining Generator: Off the grid. Powers itself, while simultaneously running any size electrical load.
3. The HES Phase Converter: Converts single-or split-phase power input to 3-phase, and magnifies power output up to 500%.
We are eliminating the need for centrally generated power plants and placing energy production right where it's being used - in homes, commercial buildings, transportation, consumer electronics and along the grid.
Bringing power back to the people."
Quote from: Beginners Mind on July 05, 2022, 10:08:50 PM
Thank you to those who are running experiments and simulations and sharing your hard work!
For Newcomers who may be overwhelmed by the branches this thread has taken, the following concise summary of the Holcomb Energy System was posted on their Instagram page today. [HES first product will be the ILPG, initial units of which they report are now being shipped to select locations in the US. ILPG is not yet available for wide distribution.]
"What is the Holcomb Energy System?
There are 3 versions of the HES. All use no fuel, put out no emissions, and have no moving parts:
1. The HES In-Line Power Generator (ILPG): Takes power input from any source, like the grid or renewables, and magnifies power output up to 500%.
2. The HES Self-Sustaining Generator: Off the grid. Powers itself, while simultaneously running any size electrical load.
3. The HES Phase Converter: Converts single-or split-phase power input to 3-phase, and magnifies power output up to 500%.
We are eliminating the need for centrally generated power plants and placing energy production right where it's being used - in homes, commercial buildings, transportation, consumer electronics and along the grid.
Bringing power back to the people."
Hi,
With choice 2, why are 1 & 3 even considered? What's the point? Appears like wasted effort.
Thanks in advance,
bi
Quote from: Jimboot on July 05, 2022, 08:06:38 PM
Nice work! My halogen will not light at all on 24VAC power supply. Adding more capacitance on the stator side increases the brightness. Have you tried different lamp types? Thanks for the share.
Hi Jimboot, and Ufo,
Why use lamps as loads? Would not a proper load resistor be better?
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:53:15 PM
Hi Jimboot, and Ufo,
Why use lamps as loads? Would not a proper load resistor be better?
bi
Happy to test again. My output stator coils in series is 13.3ohm. Got any suggested values? Something equivalent to the resistance of the lamp?
Quote from: Jimboot on July 05, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
Happy to test again. My output stator coils in series is 13.3ohm. Got any suggested values? Something equivalent to the resistance of the lamp?
Jacobi's Law says maximum power transfer occurs when load resistance equals source resistance, so 13.3 Ohm is a good value. You need to stay within limits of winding wire gauge ampacity.
For battery testing, I use locomotive braking resistors which are temperature compensated and available surplus cheap, but I'm using 1kW units. Industrial vfd braking resistors are good. Or for a test like you're doing, an adjustable carbon pile would do, I think. Those are common for automotive shop battery/alternator testing. Carbon pile would be non-inductive and pretty good thermally. They're typically adjustable via pressure thumb screw. I've seen all types of resistive loads from water heaters to bed frames.
Good luck.
bi
ps...
IIRC, incandescent lamp resistance is tricky as it changes drastically with heat. Not sure about halogen types.
Thanks,
dragging a bed from downstairs now. :)
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 10:31:05 PM
Hi,
With choice 2, why are 1 & 3 even considered? What's the point? Appears like wasted effort.
Thanks in advance,
bi
@Bistander - One can only speculate, but my personal opinion is that HES has chosen #1 as their first product in the hopes of getting enough units out into the world before the powers that be recognize this tech is real and move in to stop it. Option #2 is waiving a red flag in front of a bull and painting bullets on their backs. The HES folks are taking a huge risk with their lives as it is. I applaud their courage. All the more reason for others to try to understand this tech in every detail and be able to replicate it in case something happens to them.
I invited Bob over.
Apologies if this has already been posted. https://holcombenergysystems.medium.com/irrefutable-data-on-the-holcomb-energy-system-in-action-2ff56b0ab451
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 11:56:24 PM
Jacobi's Law says maximum power transfer occurs when load resistance equals source resistance,
What is this about? I did not know this law.
I thought that the internal resistance of the power supply should ideally be zero.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 01:55:40 AM
What is this about? I did not know this law.
I thought that the internal resistance of the power supply should ideally be zero.
You are absolutely right, the source resistance should tend to zero.
Moreover, the idling EMF should conditionally be twice the voltage at the generator terminals under load. The voltage drop to the mains voltage is the CURRENT POWER that you want to get. So some kind of Jacobi law is just a utopia.
After all, it is possible to create your rotating magnetic field with such a stator.
It remains only to make a suitable "rotor" secondary winding.
After all, it will, right ?
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 04:35:25 AM
After all, it is possible to create your rotating magnetic field with such a stator.
It remains only to make a suitable "rotor" secondary winding.
After all, it will, right ?
Try this (based on DZ & holcomb vid):
N-S-N-S 90 degrees spaced, so N facing N and S facing S.
Create a simple secondary coil (first, maybe a partnered coil later to cancel self-induced fields) with the length fitting the diameter of the hole, position it like that inside.
Quote from: alan on July 06, 2022, 05:37:24 AM
Try this (based on DZ & holcomb vid):
N-S-N-S 90 degrees spaced, so N facing N and S facing S.
Create a simple secondary coil (first, maybe a partnered coil later to cancel self-induced fields) with the length fitting the diameter of the hole, position it like that inside.
Yap
In 2018 when I took over as maintenance manager in a big corporation, I got rid of my tools, parts, and everything related to the experiments I had been doing since 2006.
Meantime I used to check the 'OverUnity" forum community and the Holcomb topic called my attention for so many reasons, explaining some anomalies that I noticed in the past in my experiments.
Now I'm getting everything back, and I will re-start my tests.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 01:55:40 AM
What is this about? I did not know this law.
I thought that the internal resistance of the power supply should ideally be zero.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_transfer_theorem
"In electrical engineering, the maximum power transfer theorem states that, to obtain maximum external power from a power source with internal resistance, the resistance of the load must equal the resistance of the source as viewed from its output terminals. Moritz von Jacobi published the maximum power (transfer) theorem around 1840; it is also referred to as "Jacobi's law".
Here ya go.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 06, 2022, 02:53:16 AM
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Moreover, the idling EMF should conditionally be twice the voltage at the generator terminals under load.
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Says the same thing as Jacobi. If you don't believe it, draw a graph or do the math.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 06, 2022, 09:26:53 AM
Says the same thing as Jacobi. If you don't believe it, draw a graph or do the math.
bi
It's not the same at all! Resistance is a very important element, you probably never calculated the generator phase.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/89/20/50/892050a9dec7e2441679f22724bd7b1f.png
If you short-circuit the phase, then the EMF will be almost zero, and the current will be crazy. For normal operation of the phase, the bandwidth of the phase wire must match the capabilities of this wire.
The short circuit coil is the maximum power, but it is absolutely stupid. Sometimes math is better to get burned a little so as not to draw idiotic formulas without practical application.
Quote from: bistander on July 06, 2022, 09:18:51 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_transfer_theorem (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_transfer_theorem)
"In electrical engineering, the maximum power transfer theorem states that, to obtain maximum external power from a power source with internal resistance, the resistance of the load must equal the resistance of the source as viewed from its output terminals. Moritz von Jacobi published the maximum power (transfer) theorem around 1840; it is also referred to as "Jacobi's law".
Here ya go.
bi
Or: to make the total power 50/50 between the 2 resistances.
Quote from: Jimboot on July 05, 2022, 08:06:38 PM
Nice work! My halogen will not light at all on 24VAC power supply. Adding more capacitance on the stator side increases the brightness. Have you tried different lamp types? Thanks for the share.
Thanks Jim.
Yes, I have used many lamp types...40, 60, 90 Watts...
I also have Ohmite 1 Kohm resistors to measure...
I also have shunts to add to a Meter in Mv...
Plus the Current Probe...
I have also run an AC Angle Grinder and a Drill...both have Universal Motors as a load...they run strong...but they consume around 2.0 Amps max and when running fast they lower up current, as typical brush motors do. It is interesting how these Motor loads, chop the output sinewave into a positive-negative semi-square PWM...
IMHO, I only use a running cap of low value (25 & 40 uF) for smoothing the sinewave, as I have shown on my videos...but do not get fooled by caps...they do increase voltage at output by a couple of volts...but whenever you add a load, they drop off.
Generators do not use caps on output mains...only on stator exciter coils.
Eventually you will need to move to a real DC rotating field to see the difference...AC Flashing Polarities has its limits when it is stationary, and you already has proven that point.
Generator Stator Coils winding type is not top notch for this systems...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on July 06, 2022, 09:18:51 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_transfer_theorem (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_transfer_theorem)
"In electrical engineering, the maximum power transfer theorem states that, to obtain maximum external power from a power source with internal resistance, the resistance of the load must equal the resistance of the source as viewed from its output terminals. Moritz von Jacobi published the maximum power (transfer) theorem around 1840; it is also referred to as "Jacobi's law".
Here ya go.
bi
Hello Bistander,
Typically Generators (talking about simple, single phase, sync) have around 4 ohms resistance at their mains output stator coils...
For example, my 900 Watts small Single Phase have 2.0 Ohms on Mains output, and the exciter coils have 5.2 Ohms...see images
so, if I add a 2.0 ohm resistive load, it would be literally shorting out output, or if a high amperage it will burn it or blow it up...no?
EDIT 1 : Another example...On the latest Tests 60W Bulb I have shown...I have 19.6 Ohms on my Out Coils and Bulb have 17.7...so, that is more-less pretty balanced out right according to Jacobi's Law?
So, I guess maybe this law does not apply for Generators...or at least must include Voltage and Amperage at Source Output...in their formula.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: alan on July 06, 2022, 09:11:11 AM
What does that mean? Is it correct or bs?
Not BS
Do I understand correctly that in the device of Holcomb and the like with a rotating magnetic field, there are two types of magnetic field. Two types of magnetic field that induce EMF in the secondary winding. A field that changes with time, similar to what happens in transformers. And a field that changes in space. That is, rotating. The first field that changes over time produces the Lenz effect.
And if we place the secondary coils so that they don't use the time-varying field, will we get rid of Lenz? ;)
p.s.
QuoteI got rid of my tools, parts, and everything related to the experiments I had been doing since 2006.
Why did it have to be done? Couldn't you hide it in a shed?
I don't throw anything away. Only if they don't steal it... :'(
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2022, 11:56:24 PM
Jacobi's Law says maximum power transfer occurs when load resistance equals source resistance, so 13.3 Ohm is a good value. You need to stay within limits of winding wire gauge ampacity.
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Ufo & all,
Maximum power transfer is not the same as rated power output.
Look it up. Wikipedia has decent articles. While you're at it, also look at impedance matching.
There is an infinite range of resistance values. I was simply giving Jimboot a starting point for choosing a load for his experiment. That's all. I was not suggesting anyone run generators at maximum. Notice the bolded sentence in my original post. Although the subject should be well known amongst those working in the field, perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned it.
Carry on.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 11:01:59 AM
Do I understand correctly that in the device of Holcomb and the like with a rotating magnetic field, there are two types of magnetic field. Two types of magnetic field that induce EMF in the secondary winding. A field that changes with time, similar to what happens in transformers. And a field that changes in space. That is, rotating. The first field that changes over time produces the Lenz effect.
And if we place the secondary coils so that they don't use the time-varying field, will we get rid of Lenz? ;)
Lenz is present in all field changes...in transformers, when you load secondary, the primary demands more currents from source...
In Generators, when you load them, you must increase the field rotational speed (in typical rotary generators we need more speed
and more torque) to overcome Lenz...However, on the stationary rotor, we just need to speed up field, in order to compensate Amps Input (down) and Amps Output (up)...no torque required here...my small little motor can handle ANY size Magnetic Field Rotation...isn't that great?
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 11:01:59 AM
Do I understand correctly that in the device of Holcomb and the like with a rotating magnetic field, there are two types of magnetic field. Two types of magnetic field that induce EMF in the secondary winding. A field that changes with time, similar to what happens in transformers. And a field that changes in space. That is, rotating. The first field that changes over time produces the Lenz effect.
And if we place the secondary coils so that they don't use the time-varying field, will we get rid of Lenz? ;)
That was my guess too.
Floyd Sweet's nothing is something discusses this, he calls it motional E.
The B-field induced by self-inductance of the secondary, aka Lenz, is always there if there's a current. Maybe this way it has no effect on the moving field, but I can't prove it.
I AM JEALOUS BUT I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK. I AM TOO BUSY GROWING COCO YAM
JUST IN CASE OF A FAMINE IN SEYCHELLES.
CHEERS
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 06, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
Lenz is present in all field changes...in transformers, when you load secondary, the primary demands more currents from source...
In Generators, when you load them, you must increase the field rotational speed (in typical rotary generators we need more speed and more torque) to overcome Lenz...However, on the stationary rotor, we just need to speed up field, in order to compensate Amps Input (down) and Amps Output (up)...no torque required here...my small little motor can handle ANY size Magnetic Field Rotation...isn't that great?
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi UFO,
That part I highlighted is not completely correct. In a regular generator the speed determines the output voltage. And the torque requirement increases as we increase the load drawing more current as you correctly stated. The speed is controlled by the governor of the engine if an engine is used to power the generator. If the speed changed the AC frequency would also change which would not be good for most appliances with induction motors. But the governor maintains a fixed speed unless the generator is severely overloaded.
What is very interesting in your design is that even when you maintain the same speed of rotation of your field the voltage DOES change when the load is applied. That may be because your generator is not capable of supplying the current needed by the load. I believe if you load your generator with a smaller load more matched to your generator you would see it respond like a normal generator EXCEPT adding the load will not affect the motor driving the rotating field. And THAT makes your design very interesting.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: citfta on July 06, 2022, 12:05:05 PM
Hi UFO,
That part I highlighted is not completely correct. In a regular generator the speed determines the output voltage. And the torque requirement increases as we increase the load drawing more current as you correctly stated. The speed is controlled by the governor of the engine if an engine is used to power the generator. If the speed changed the AC frequency would also change which would not be good for most appliances with induction motors. But the governor maintains a fixed speed unless the generator is severely overloaded.
What is very interesting in your design is that even when you maintain the same speed of rotation of your field the voltage DOES change when the load is applied. That may be because your generator is not capable of supplying the current needed by the load. I believe if you load your generator with a smaller load more matched to your generator you would see it respond like a normal generator EXCEPT adding the load will not affect the motor driving the rotating field. And THAT makes your design very interesting.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Thanks Citfta,
Yes, you are correct, I was "throwing" all together there, on that statement...actually, torque and speed are tightly bound on a rotary generator...meaning, if torque requirement increases by generator demand to ICE, it also means a speed drop, until ICE reacts through governor...and rises speed and torque.
Actually Torque is inherent to any ICE whenever it spins.
Related to my V drop, you are entirely correct, is only due to currents not satisfying the load demand.
And I know where error is...I wound too many turns on my stator, plus I used 20 ga...which throw resistance too high for a generator stator.
I got much better results whenever I parallel stators, but V is not as high...so everything is a matter of tight and precise calculations of all together for a successfull machine.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 06, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
However, on the stationary rotor, we just need to speed up field, in order to compensate Amps Input (down) and Amps Output (up)...no torque required here...my small little motor can handle ANY size Magnetic Field Rotation...isn't that great?
Everything is clear with the electromechanical switch. And the current consumed from the DC source does not increase?
If not, then that's really great. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on July 06, 2022, 02:41:43 PM
Everything is clear with the electromechanical switch. And the current consumed from the DC source does not increase?
If not, then that's really great. :)
As you increase Field speed, Source Current drops, lower down, Output Current rises...simple Math Guys.
All you have to make sure is not to lower too much, otherwise Field will loose strenght.
That's it folks... ;D
A simple HES Lingen with only two input coils, a north and south coil.
And charge a capacitor with the stator coil to even out the spikes.
Solarlab, what do you think would this work ?
one of the secret of this device is that THE OUT PUT CORE IS BEING MODULATED FROM BOTH ENDS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT GENERATE A MAGNETIC TORNADO WITHIN THE INNER CORE.
Quote from: seychelles on July 06, 2022, 09:52:02 PM
THE OUT PUT CORE IS BEING MODULATED FROM BOTH ENDS.
Similar to the picture that Rakarsky showed?
Where is the "stator" outside and inside?
p.s.
It is you?
YEP ME NAKED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.
Quote from: seychelles on July 06, 2022, 09:52:02 PM
one of the secret of this device is that THE OUT PUT CORE IS BEING MODULATED FROM BOTH ENDS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT GENERATE A MAGNETIC TORNADO WITHIN THE INNER CORE.
Yeah! Floyd Sweed also called it flux modulation.
A mechanical setup with a very simple (N-S-N-S 90deg) rotor outside the coil may be an interesting experiment to study Lenz and to see if the tornado also causes zero backtorque, since, per claim, it wouldn't create back emf in the solid state setup.
Quote from: alan on July 06, 2022, 11:27:49 AM
The B-field induced by self-inductance of the secondary, aka Lenz, is always there if there's a current. Maybe this way it has no effect on the moving field, but I can't prove it.
Okay, let's not get rid of Lenz in any case, but is it possible to configure the secondary winding so that it is indifferent to that component of the field, which changes only in time, but is stationary?
p.s.
I know impedance matching is important for radio frequencies. Including the characteristic impedance of the transmission line.
For 50/60 Hz. is that important too? :o
Quote from: kolbacict on July 07, 2022, 06:54:54 AM
Okay, let's not get rid of Lenz in any case, but is it possible to configure the secondary winding so that it is indifferent to that component of the field, which changes only in time, but is stationary?
p.s.
I know impedance matching is important for radio frequencies. Including the characteristic impedance of the transmission line.
For 50/60 Hz. is that important too? :o
Maybe the configuration is already doing that, the time rate of change of the number of flux lines is
net zero, but moving nonetheless. Or perhaps the coils are wound as a non-(
self!)inductive coil, bifilar.
Just speculating.
Impedance matching for 50/60hz depends on the impedance and the application, I don't think anyone is doing that for power conversion.
A simple HES LinGen with only two input coils and two output cois.
Can it be as simple ?
A 555 timer and a MOSFET circuit as driver.
Hi Feb, sounds interesting, can you show it as a circuit ?
Not tested yet. i'm unsure if two input coils is enough.
Instead of the motor you put the two input coils N S and S N.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vNZ-dNZc0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vNZ-dNZc0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRHiofz3jA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRHiofz3jA)
Will this design suitable?
And what should happen with it?
What generally should be?
Solarlab made a simulation with 8 input coils, so if someone perhaps can simulate 2 input coils ?
If it seems to work it's easy to build and verify.
QuoteSolarlab made a simulation
Agree. I'm inattentive, somewhat lazy.
And still some difficulty with language.
Why is a linear version better than a circular one?
Not necessarily better but easier to build.
I hope that with ferrite core and fast switching you can get better performance.
But I don't know.
I believe that Holcomb has something extraordinary and is building those right now.
And we owe it to the world and our children to get it out and rolling.
Hello,
@Feb2006 and All
It is NOT that simple...a Linear Movement Generator (LinGen) is somehow similar to Figuera...and there are many possibilities of errors.
I have tried these Systems over years of experimenting so, my experience is vast.
Linear movements will not let you develop a High Voltage over back and forth pulsations.
Rotational Systems are far better, because they increase Output Voltage & Currents over "unlimited/unstoppable" spacetime.
The Rotational traveling Space is never ending (infinite) while Linear goes Forward and STOPS, Goes Reverse and STOPS...and so on and on:
...FORWARD/STOPS/RETURN/STOPS/FORWARD/STOPS...
There is a huge LOSS everytime You STOP/PAUSE, whether to go forward or to Return, EVEN for milliseconds.
Induction is ALL about SPACETIME VARIATIONS, NOT only Time...NOT only Space, but BOTH!!
Everytime you STOP, Space gain=Energy progression is OFF
Rotational Systems are simply NON STOP, but CONTINUOUS ALL THE TIME!!
Everytime your system STOPS, Energy drops/falls, so it must RESTART...
You do whatever you guys want, after all it is entirely your money and your time...this is just my opinion.
IMHO, These Systems (Linear) could be good to power cell phones, small appliances, LED Bulbs, etc,etc...BUT NOT for big power applications.
However, they could be configured to generate more, by adding many units which alternate OFF Times, in order to make them more continuous.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 09, 2022, 11:21:55 AM
Hello,
@Feb2006 and All
It is NOT that simple...a Linear Movement Generator (LinGen) is somehow similar to Figuera...and there are many possibilities of errors.
I have tried these Systems over years of experimenting so, my experience is vast.
Linear movements will not let you develop a High Voltage over back and forth pulsations.
Rotational Systems are far better, because they increase Output Voltage & Currents over "unlimited/unstoppable" spacetime.
The Rotational traveling Space is never ending (infinite) while Linear goes Forward and STOPS, Goes Reverse and STOPS...and so on and on:
...FORWARD/STOPS/RETURN/STOPS/FORWARD/STOPS...
There is a huge LOSS everytime You STOP/PAUSE, whether to go forward or to Return, EVEN for milliseconds.
Induction is ALL about SPACETIME VARIATIONS, NOT only Time...NOT only Space, but BOTH!!
Everytime you STOP, Space gain=Energy progression is OFF
Rotational Systems are simply NON STOP, but CONTINUOUS ALL THE TIME!!
Everytime your system STOPS, Energy drops/falls, so it must RESTART...
You do whatever you guys want, after all it is entirely your money and your time...this is just my opinion.
IMHO, These Systems (Linear) could be good to power cell phones, small appliances, LED Bulbs, etc,etc...BUT NOT for big power applications.
However, they could be configured to generate more, by adding many units which alternate OFF Times, in order to make them more continuous.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics,For a planar configuration (so called LinGen) there is no Starting or Stopping required. The Control Processor
simply rolls the driver FETs, in proper sequence, along the planar poles.
Consider a chain where the links are the poles; but the chain is not joined together - it's infinitely long. You just
continually pull this infinite chain over the poles. One infinite chain for the North Poles and another one for the
South Poles. You can have as many Poles (chain links) as you like with respect to your overall configuration and
the sequenced Control Processor.
There is no technical or operational reason to Start, Stop or reverse direction. The Speed of the rolling might change
or vary, if needed, to accommodate the changing output power needs. Or, for that matter, any number of
Voltage/Current/Hz requirements. Of course you can start/stop/reverse or re-sequence as desired.
In the simulations it appears the sequence is interrupted but thats not really the case. This was only due to forum posting
size limitations, and gif downsizing, plus some CPU numeric processing time constraints. Large workstation simulations
(requiring many GBs of storage for the simulation video captures) show the smooth, uninterupted, operation.
A Four North and four South pole configuration [call it a Block of "8" - 4N + 4S; for lack of a better term] with a
single coil Lap Winding, was chosen for presentation but this was arbitrary. An almost endless number of Poles could
likely be used, with the corresponding Lap Winding coil, to form a Block.
This is where the Planar configuration (LinGen) has a big advantage over a Circular configuration
(motor housing for example). Another major advantage is size; a planar block is easily scaled and also
lends itself to a segmented physical distribution - fit the Blocks in various locations and simply wire
them together according to plan.
Interestingly, cascading these Blocks is relatively straight forward and can form a variety of outputs. DC
series/parallel or AC 3-phase, etc. Quite versatile in fact, all from a single Block design and a bit of Controller
Processor software manipulation. This is still a work-in-progress but looks to be quite exciting.
Also, a Rotational System need not be Non Stop or Continuous, an electronic controller will determine the
operational characteristics as is already done in many motors.
It's good to recall that the Holcomb Generator utilizes each Pole pulse such that the Coil/Pole magnetics
full magnification occures each time the Pole/Coil is energized. This can amount to many magnifications per cycle.
When reviewing a napkin-cad approach, worth noting is the interaction between the so-called Rotor coil/poles and
the Stator coil/poles. Avoiding/reducing any interactions between them is one key ingredient; this applies equally
to both the planar and circular configurations.
Considering the many advantages provided by a Planar configuration, including ease of build and versatility, this
approach should not be discarded without serious consideration.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on July 09, 2022, 01:55:05 PM
Ufopolitics,
For a planar configuration (so called LinGen) there is no Starting or Stopping required. The Control Processor
simply rolls the driver FETs, in proper sequence, along the planar poles.
Consider a chain where the links are the poles; but the chain is not joined together - it's infinitely long. You just
continually pull this infinite chain over the poles. One infinite chain for the North Poles and another one for the
South Poles. You can have as many Poles (chain links) as you like with respect to your overall configuration and
the sequenced Control Processor.
There is no technical or operational reason to Start, Stop or reverse direction. The Speed of the rolling might change
or vary, if needed, to accommodate the changing output power needs. Or, for that matter, any number of
Voltage/Current/Hz requirements. Of course you can start/stop/reverse or re-sequence as desired.
In the simulations it appears the sequence is interrupted but thats not really the case. This was only due to forum posting
size limitations, and gif downsizing, plus some CPU numeric processing time constraints. Large workstation simulations
(requiring many GBs of storage for the simulation video captures) show the smooth, uninterupted, operation.
A Four North and four South pole configuration [call it a Block of "8" - 4N + 4S; for lack of a better term] with a
single coil Lap Winding, was chosen for presentation but this was arbitrary. An almost endless number of Poles could
likely be used, with the corresponding Lap Winding coil, to form a Block.
This is where the Planar configuration (LinGen) has a big advantage over a Circular configuration
(motor housing for example). Another major advantage is size; a planar block is easily scaled and also
lends itself to a segmented physical distribution - fit the Blocks in various locations and simply wire
them together according to plan.
Interestingly, cascading these Blocks is relatively straight forward and can form a variety of outputs. DC
series/parallel or AC 3-phase, etc. Quite versatile in fact, all from a single Block design and a bit of Controller
Processor software manipulation. This is still a work-in-progress but looks to be quite exciting.
Also, a Rotational System need not be Non Stop or Continuous, an electronic controller will determine the
operational characteristics as is already done in many motors.
It's good to recall that the Holcomb Generator utilizes each Pole pulse such that the Coil/Pole magnetics
full magnification occures each time the Pole/Coil is energized. This can amount to many magnifications per cycle.
When reviewing a napkin-cad approach, worth noting is the interaction between the so-called Rotor coil/poles and
the Stator coil/poles. Avoiding/reducing any interactions between them is one key ingredient; this applies equally
to both the planar and circular configurations.
Considering the many advantages provided by a Planar configuration, including ease of build and versatility, this
approach should not be discarded without serious consideration.
SL
Hello SL,
I was just giving my opinion strictly based on what Feb2006 loaded before, his diagrams about the setup of coils, plus his 555 timer circuit...
So, my opinion was not about the LinGen from Holcomb, nor based on your simulations.
I have just explained that I have worked on these systems before (linear) as also on rotational, so I was rendering my opinion based on my experience on Real Lab Testing, not based on simulations, nor any assumptions.
1- A Magnetic Field is a Three Dimensional (3D) entity, not planar, not spread in two planes (2D), So when it comes to analysis of movements, please consider to have in mind these facts.
2- "Poles" in a Magnetic Field can not be considered as separated entities from Field, they have a 3D Positioning that will never change related to the whole Field Spectrum. Which means you can not run in a linear fashion, first one pole, then the other pole, flat, and facing towards induced coils in a planar design like a "sandwhich" type configuration. Unless you create two fields, where each will face one pole down to induced coil(s)...while in a rotation, I just need one field and use both of its poles at the same time.
3- All my failures in the past were due to Field Collapse, these systems will not perform in max output if field is collapsed or stopped, no matter if nanoseconds.
So, the Figuera approach, which is very similar to the one Feb2006 showed up, works by "ramping" field up and down , but not in a real linear motion, but by pulsing ON/OFF with the 555 Timer and FET...this is not a smooth operation, it is just an ON/OFF scenario, where, if PWM falls to zero it will collapse field, on Scope signal, you will get a square wave, where the up-down lines are purely vertical, stip and radical up and downs lines, and this is like a radical switching from On to Off...and I will tell you, up front, it will not work this way.
Unless there is an "attenuation" applied to signal, where Figuera used Resistors or Inductors to smooth ups and downs forming a "chopped pyramid" type signal...and still, they do collapse to zero...
Or, unless you use some specific very short capacity cap, or other more "elegant" electronic circuit, which prevents the PWM signal to drop all the way to zero...
On my setup, I have incorporated a small Electronic Controller to directly feed Field energy with a PWM, but, still using my mechanical rotary switch as the Distributor of the charges sent to the coils in the rotation sequence...it works great, but, like I said before, I added a small capacity Electrolytic Cap, but of high voltage (450V) to prevent PWM to lower all the way to zero.
Again, I am not saying linear generation will "never" work...am just saying, based on my experience, I rather work with what I know is going to render excellent results in the end.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
That's why I'm not sure the simple two pole LinGen will work.
In The LinGen there are some colis on and som coils off at the same time
and that's making the magnet field always on.
So maybe you can put a bias on the input coils or two bias coils
on the simple two pole LinGen.
But maybe you need that, maybe not.
In the latest patent application its still LinGens that is rotated (not mechanically)
at various speeds to generate 60hz, 50hz or other hz AC output.
Therefore, you beleive that there is a fundamental difference between a rotating permanent magnet rotor and switching windings.
Even if the number of these poles tends to infinity, and the dimensions of a single pole tend to zero?
One point that called my attention.
In his "Charlie Brown " prototype, there is a gap, cutting the stator.
Also, there is a mix of thicker and thin magnet wires.
It is just food for our thoughts.
Ariovaldo
My trial.
I"m using an old generator stator.
This didn't work as I planned.
The slots are too small
I still need to re-wound the rotor.
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 10, 2022, 10:10:14 AM
My trial.
I"m using an old generator stator.
This didn't work as I planned.
The slots are too small
I still need to re-wound the rotor.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html?m=1
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 10, 2022, 09:54:51 AM
One point that called my attention.
In his "Charlie Brown " prototype, there is a gap, cutting the stator.
Also, there is a mix of thicker and thin magnet wires.
It is just food for our thoughts.
Ariovaldo
I noticed that cut stator a while back. Thinking further, could be an approach using existing core to have magnetic boundaries simulating the LinGen. A way to run some basic tests without fabricating planar core.
bi
We need to wind the secondary winding on another iron, the so-called " stator rotor" .
Is there any fundamental need for this? Why is it impossible to wind the secondary
winding on an iron yoke which is in the slots the primary winding is laid ?
The field "rotates" in the same way.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 11, 2022, 07:43:34 AM
We need to wind the secondary winding on another iron, the so-called " stator rotor" .
Is there any fundamental need for this? Why is it impossible to wind the secondary
winding on an iron yoke which is in the slots the primary winding is laid ?
The field "rotates" in the same way.
Any idea how to do that using "ordinary " parts that er can find in the market?
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 10, 2022, 09:54:51 AM
One point that called my attention.
In his "Charlie Brown " prototype, there is a gap, cutting the stator.
Also, there is a mix of thicker and thin magnet wires.
It is just food for our thoughts.
Ariovaldo
ariovaldo,HES Charlie BrownInteresting observations! Maybe we can do something (CAE analysis/simulations) with this.
Will give it a try anyway (might take some time however - long que) and see what we get.
Thanks,
SL
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 11, 2022, 09:31:58 AM
Any idea how to do that using "ordinary " parts that er can find in the market?
Yes, I'm already trying to experiment with these ...
From patent application WO 2018/134233 A2
"3. Shielding: A stator armature iron also contains a series of mu metal shields
between wire slots, which allow flux linkage between narrow segments of side iron and back
iron and a uni-pole rotor flux such that an armature coil inductive power generation may be
attained. (Mu metal can, for example, be an annealed metal of 75% nickel, 15% iron, plus
copper, and molybdenum.) However, no significant reverse torque is developed."
"FIG. 10 illustrates hard power pack protective case 49 with the outer protective cover
removed, revealing the mu metal foil shield 71 on the generator. The mu metal foil shield
deflects the armature flux at right angles and encourages the armature flux line to progress
across the stator coils."
"FIG. 14 illustrates a side view of the hard power pack protective case of a fully
assembled smartphone with armature and stator of the high efficiency generator installed with
mu metal foil in place covering the back and sides of the stator, consistent with embodiments
of the disclosure"
"FIG. 21 depicts stator 63 pressed against armature 59; armature pole windings preformed coils 61, 60;
armature coil leads 61L and 60L; North pole flux 58(1)-58(4) and South
pole flux 58(1)-58(4) generated by and emanating from armature 59 as described above into
stator 63 and its lap wound stator coils 70; mu metal shield 71; and power leads 62a and 62b.
Power leads 62a and 62b conduct the DC power generated by the solid state generator and is
carried to an electrical load, such as a smart phone or other battery-operated electrical device"
This makes me wonder if the mu metal shield is essential or only enhances the operation?
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 11, 2022, 12:26:09 PM
From patent application WO 2018/134233 A2
"3. Shielding: A stator armature iron also contains a series of mu metal shields
between wire slots, which allow flux linkage between narrow segments of side iron and back
iron and a uni-pole rotor flux such that an armature coil inductive power generation may be
attained. (Mu metal can, for example, be an annealed metal of 75% nickel, 15% iron, plus
copper, and molybdenum.) However, no significant reverse torque is developed."
"FIG. 10 illustrates hard power pack protective case 49 with the outer protective cover
removed, revealing the mu metal foil shield 71 on the generator. The mu metal foil shield
deflects the armature flux at right angles and encourages the armature flux line to progress
across the stator coils."
"FIG. 14 illustrates a side view of the hard power pack protective case of a fully
assembled smartphone with armature and stator of the high efficiency generator installed with
mu metal foil in place covering the back and sides of the stator, consistent with embodiments
of the disclosure"
"FIG. 21 depicts stator 63 pressed against armature 59; armature pole windings preformed coils 61, 60;
armature coil leads 61L and 60L; North pole flux 58(1)-58(4) and South
pole flux 58(1)-58(4) generated by and emanating from armature 59 as described above into
stator 63 and its lap wound stator coils 70; mu metal shield 71; and power leads 62a and 62b.
Power leads 62a and 62b conduct the DC power generated by the solid state generator and is
carried to an electrical load, such as a smart phone or other battery-operated electrical device"
This makes me wonder if the mu metal shield is essential or only enhances the operation?
I do think that we can find the effects without the MU-metal. Probably it is to enhance the machine COP
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 10, 2022, 03:19:25 PM
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html?m=1 (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html?m=1)
Thanks Sir.
Just a note to ariovaldo ( longtime researcher and builder )
Here Stefan has made a section for research/builders sharing their work!
And many do get frustrated trying to run a build topic on main board ( unmanaged areas)
Please keep this in mind ,it gives you ability to update all pages and manage content
also can be locked for safe keeping and updates ( or benchmark breakthrough topic for "please replicate" etc)
And many topics can be opened !
Those who take the time to share their hard work and time deserve this forum feature!
Available to all builders ( and also persons like member Solarlab doing aggressive research towards
A build )
It has made all the difference in builders topics !
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Pm Stefan for this
If any issues send me a pm
Sorry for interruption!!
Someone will answer me, in the end, why does the secondary winding need to be placed on another part, another yoke ? Separated from the primary yoke by air gap, moreover, which worsens the parameters ? Why is it impossible to wind the secondary winding in the same place, and close the poles with a magnetic circuit ? Is there a fundamental need for this ?
Quote from: kolbacict on July 12, 2022, 02:53:58 AM
Someone will answer me, in the end, why does the secondary winding need to be placed on another part, another yoke ? Separated from the primary yoke by air gap, moreover, which worsens the parameters ? Why is it impossible to wind the secondary winding in the same place, and close the poles with a magnetic circuit ? Is there a fundamental need for this ?
This option is preferable, but this is no longer Holcomb Energy System.
For a static design, this will be Figuera, for a dynamic one: my RAGEN rotoverter, Holcomb also has such a design. All who think come to the original design.
Another observation:- in " Charlie Brown", it appears that every other slot was driller or machined to make it larger.
I'm emphasizing that because the best approach is to understand the effects, replicate that and prove that is real or at least that we can understand how it works.
Ariovaldo
Quote from: kolbacict on July 12, 2022, 02:53:58 AM
Someone will answer me, in the end, why does the secondary winding need to be placed on another part, another yoke ? Separated from the primary yoke by air gap, moreover, which worsens the parameters ? Why is it impossible to wind the secondary winding in the same place, and close the poles with a magnetic circuit ? Is there a fundamental need for this ?
Hello kolbacict,
Yes, there is a fundamental need for this "scenario"
EM Induction have laws, some we have found over experiments, over and over as many others are written...and they are all based on SPATIAL GEOMETRIES.
For example, if you wind rotor and stator on the same core-yoke, where the Field rotation result in a SIDEWAYS movement, related to the INDUCED COILS, it will NOT work, as simple as that.
There ALWAYS need to be a FRONTAL APPROACH (Straight Vector directional approach) between Inducer-Induced Coils at some point in Spacetime, and never "sideways" and within the same rotational line, it will not work.
And am not saying you will not get "some" induction in a "sideways-in line, or aligned" movement...but it would be very easy to verify with same coils, same Input to Inducer Coils where is a better, stronger Induction, whenever you change Spatial positioning of coils eg: Coils next to each others versus front to front approach.
Hope you understand this fact, without having to explain based on graphics.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Yes, I understood. Thanks everyone. And if you weld the "stator" to the "rotor" by electric welding, will it change anything?
Just trying to understand... :)
Quote from: kolbacict on July 12, 2022, 01:21:50 PM
And if you weld the "stator" to the "rotor" by electric welding, will it change anything?
Just trying to understand... :)
Nope,
it will not change anything by welding stator to rotor, except, you will no longer have access to coils maintenance or replacement...
I am in the process of discovering there is a way to increase these systems performance by
dual modulation* of the rotating field...plus a "
cross firing**" of the rotating field...
* Double signals to Field, one works as a Distributor of signals (my rotary switch), the other as a PWM (any typical Motor Controller for brushes), we should be able to sync them easily...and eventually would be able to make them both into one...
** Crossfiring based on same sync system, plus a double set of rotating fields-coils, one Internally set as another one externally to the Induced Coils.
Whenever I am ready, I will share it...in visual experiments
Cheers
Does anyone know the significance of the offsets in the linear version? I don't really see a correlation to the offsets versus the cylindrical version.
The only thing I do see according to the picture is that the left side(61L 1 through 4), 1 has more flux lines going through the material by the time it reaches 4 there is less.
On the right(60L 1 through 4) it is reversed less flux lines through material at 1, ending in more as it reaches 4.
Hello all,
don't know very much about electromagnetic induction,
so please excuse my amateurish approach,
but the HES is really interesting me....and I fear this technology
will never reach the market, just like dozens before !
Hearing what Mr.Holocomb says about the iron atom, a gyroscope comes to my mind:
Much force is needed to tilt its axle by switching the poles at the end of the iron core.
Certainly a strong current would be induced as resulting force of this brutal operation...
in my view the changing degree of magnetic force in the four sectors of the outer rotor should
be performed like a wave to smooth the operation by constantly tilting the atoms.
Each sector would carry a single wavefront, 2 times up and down in total around the rotor
Don`t know if this is already state of the art in normal transformers...
One last thought...
Maybe the Frequency of the AC has to match with the Hysteresis curve of the used metal.
Thinking that it would be good to be a little ahead of the load, always.
What do you think about this analogy ?
I posted Serges last article on LinkedIn. This comment was good to read.
I assume Holcomb's device is the only machine that can presently double power on this forum..
I realize Holcomb's HES not a free energy devise, but with all the other fake devises here, which are the most promising?
Thanks!
Certainly the only one we know of that is shipping.
Quote from: rebar on July 12, 2022, 09:17:24 PM
I assume Holcomb's device is the only machine that can presently double power on this forum..
I realize Holcomb's HES not a free energy devise, but with all the other fake devises here, which are the most promising?
Thanks!
Try to delve into this design!
Yes, it is dynamic, but the claimed performance is far superior to Holcomb's solid state generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetic-generator-cop-12.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 13, 2022, 02:52:09 AM
Try to delve into this design!
Yes, it is dynamic, but the claimed performance is far superior to Holcomb's solid state generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetic-generator-cop-12.html
Ive been wiring air conditioning and heating equipment for years, but understanding or inventing/building a generator like this is over my head..
It looks like the HES is really the
only devise, considering the MAGNETIC GENERATOR COP-12 is a concept at this time.
Quote from: rebar on July 13, 2022, 05:08:57 AM
It looks like the HES is really the only devise, considering the MAGNETIC GENERATOR COP-12 is a concept at this time.
I agree with you, with the clarification "
the only one on the market - available for purchase."
The fact that a set of Over-Unity devices is inaccessible to the consumer does not indicate their impossibility and non-existence.
In 1902, patent rights and a working model of the Over-Unity generator were bought from Clemente Figuer for a decent amount, doesn't this speak of its reality?
Actually unless it is open sourced and independently verified ( not speaking about
Happy Holcomb customers (which is very pleasant surprise!!)
We could spend another 100 years burning our atmosphere
And polluting our oceans etc etc in most of the planet ( those unable to access or purchase tech
Money changing hands means zero for world !
And also as proof (zilch)
Some people take advantage this way ( a sort of industry all its own)
/////—-///———
Just one true anomaly will suffice ( open source FE gain mechanism provable on the benches of those
Open source researchers Who read here and share their results to all )
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on July 13, 2022, 09:00:40 AM
Actually unless it is open sourced and independently verified ( not speaking about
Happy Holcomb customers (which is very pleasant surprise!!)
We could spend another 100 years burning our atmosphere
And polluting our oceans etc etc in most of the planet ( those unable to access or purchase tech
Money changing hands means zero for world !
And also as proof (zilch)
Some people take advantage this way ( a sort of industry all its own)
/////—-///———
Just one true anomaly will suffice ( open source gain mechanism provable on the benches of those
Open source researchers Who read here and share their results to all )
Respectfully
Chet K
I agree. The only way to change this is open source like we have done with agriculture in the past. Everybody eating what they used to plant.
Why did you decide that the source code is unknown?
In any special textbook, it is in a conspicuous place!
A coil was wound on top of the stator of a brushless three-phase motor.
The field rotates along the wound wires. EMF is not induced in this coil at all.
Later, this coil was wrapped on the outside with permalloy tape to close shopt the stator poles.
Nothing changed. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on July 14, 2022, 04:29:05 AM
A coil was wound on top of the stator of a brushless three-phase motor.
The field rotates along the wound wires. EMF is not induced in this coil at all.
Later, this coil was wrapped on the outside with permalloy tape to close shopt the stator poles.
Nothing changed. :)
And why did you decide that something in your design should work?
Amused, however, amused!
:D ;)
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 13, 2022, 08:44:44 AM
I agree with you, with the clarification "the only one on the market - available for purchase."
The fact that a set of Over-Unity devices is inaccessible to the consumer does not indicate their impossibility and non-existence.
In 1902, patent rights and a working model of the Over-Unity generator were bought from Clemente Figuer for a decent amount, doesn't this speak of its reality?
What "speaks of it's reality" is when a devise actually exits.. Where is this Over-Unity generator, and why are there many drawings, yet no working prototypes? Hmm...
I'd even venture out on a limb and say there's a good chance Tesla was a fraud.. Honestly, what re-sparked my curiosity is when Harald Kautz Vella spoke about a free energy devise he was involved in developing. But same "story" as tesla... That the "powers that be" coerced the R&D team to stop, using physical and monetary threats.. I wonder why Dr. Robert Holcomb never mentioned these threatening "powers that be"? Probably because they don't exist, and only used as part of the fraud cover up..
Didn't expect any miracles, actually.
I wanted to see if the running field would transmit any EMF to the orthogonal winding.
Now I saw. Complete zero. :)
Apparently the secondary winding should be placed in the same plane as the primary.
QuoteWhat "speaks of it's reality" is when a devise actually exits.. Where is this Over-Unity generator, and why are there many drawings, yet no working prototypes? Hmm...
I'd even venture out on a limb and say there's a good chance Tesla was a fraud..
I dont know. But I would really like to have it.
I do not need public recognition to understand whether the system works or not. And how, the system closes the technology, very well informed.
Holcomb is the case when the initiator, producer and investor all rolled into one. His system just blew it. Judging by the changes in his patent, not everything is so simple with the system and Holcomb.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 14, 2022, 04:29:05 AM
A coil was wound on top of the stator of a brushless three-phase motor.
The field rotates along the wound wires. EMF is not induced in this coil at all.
Later, this coil was wrapped on the outside with permalloy tape to close shopt the stator poles.
Nothing changed. :)
I don't quite understand. How many poles did the stator have?
Thanks.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 14, 2022, 04:29:05 AM
A coil was wound on top of the stator of a brushless three-phase motor.
The field rotates along the wound wires. EMF is not induced in this coil at all.
Later, this coil was wrapped on the outside with permalloy tape to close shopt the stator poles.
Nothing changed. :)
@Kolbacict,
Of course there will be no induction at all!!
You have made the
perfect example of "horizontal conductors" not being induced at all...You have absolutely zero VERTICAL CONDUCTORS, which are the ones that get induced in ANY GENERATOR.
Use as reference for "vertical" as the conductors running parallel to shaft...you have zero in your outer coil.
I will post your image with the proper winding type you need...later.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@Kolbacict,
Try this type of winding around your stator...then come back and tell Us...
I believe you have Nine (9) stator tooth in your setup...and it is a 3 phase...so, use the length of Three (3) Coils for your outer coils length, meaning you will get on each outer coil, one phase...but, overlap them...so you have more than just three outer coils...but, maybe twelve or more...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Jimboot on July 14, 2022, 08:14:24 AM
I don't quite understand. How many poles did the stator have?
Thanks.
These are motors from CD drives. BLDC three-phase motor.
There are 9 spikes in total, but they are combined in three serial coil.
I assumed that there would be no induction in a horizontal conductor, but it's nice to see it from your own experience. And, besides, the field at is not simple, motionless, as in a transformer, but running.
So I thought, and suddenly will anything!
Quote from: kolbacict on July 14, 2022, 08:59:34 AM
These are motors from CD drives. BLDS three-phase motor.
There are 9 spikes in total, but they are combined in three serial coil.
One of those may just be the right size for for a stator I have from a Siemens stepper motor. Thanks I hadn't thought of HDD motors.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 14, 2022, 08:59:34 AM
These are motors from CD drives. BLDS three-phase motor.
There are 9 spikes in total, but they are combined in three serial coil.
I assumed that there would be no induction in a horizontal conductor, but it's nice to see it from your own experience. And, besides, the field at is not simple, motionless, as in a transformer, but running.
So I thought, and suddenly will anything!
That is exactly what I wrote before...each 3 coils is one phase...so, you have three phase...
but you will need a three phase controller to run these motors...with three wires to motor, and they are color coded, so phases are in order...
Wind coils on the outer as I have specified on my previous post...overlap your outer coils every tooth on stator, comprehending the length of three stator coils
You could make like 9 outer coils or even 12...
Make outer coils so you could rotate them related to stator to search for better induction output.
Cheers
Inventing a wheel.... :o
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 13, 2022, 08:44:44 AM
I agree with you, with the clarification "the only one on the market - available for purchase."
The fact that a set of Over-Unity devices is inaccessible to the consumer does not indicate their impossibility and non-existence.
Is there a Patent Number available on this Australian [size=0pt]MAGNETIC GENERATOR: COP>1 (Australia 1986)[/font][/size]
Quote from: kampen on July 14, 2022, 02:57:46 PM
In the post below, there is a link to the PDF patent itself.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetic-generator-cop-12.html
I can't understand just one thing.
I wrap the stator around the circumference with permalloy tape.
You can see the roll on the side. To close the magnetic field lines.
A stator without a rotor is similar to
transformer with one half of the core.Isn't it ?
The current consumption, for some reason, does not fall.
This can be seen from the light bulbs.
I also made ten turns of wire around one of the nine windings.
EMF there is also not very much.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 15, 2022, 01:05:40 AM
I can't understand just one thing.
I wrap the stator around the circumference with permalloy tape.
You can see the roll on the side. To close the magnetic field lines.
A stator without a rotor is similar to
transformer with one half of the core.Isn't it ?
The current consumption, for some reason, does not fall.
This can be seen from the light bulbs.
I also made ten turns of wire around one of the nine windings.
EMF there is also not very much.
:o
You seem to be doing radio work (judging by your photos, you still have enough strictly Soviet equipment), but you don't understand how the transformer works.
What is the difference between a transformer with windings on different Faraday cores or a Stanley transformer on the same core?
I think I recommend that you leave your school of radio operators and learn the basics of energy and energy machines.
Doesn't closing (looping) the magnetic circuit increase the inductance at times?
And the bare stator has an open magnetic circuit.
Even a novice radio amateur knows this. ;D
Quote from: kolbacict on July 15, 2022, 05:22:35 AM
Doesn't closing (looping) the magnetic circuit increase the inductance at times?
And the bare stator has an open magnetic circuit.
Even a novice radio amateur knows this. ;D
That's exactly the "radio amateur" who doesn't know shit what a magnetic circuit is.
A radio amateur needs to make his own detector tricks, and if he wants to learn about energy, he should study a course in electrical engineering.
Quote from: kampen on July 14, 2022, 02:57:46 PM
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Study this, there is only one mechanism for magnetic FE and this is the simplest poc.
http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/patente_1908.pdf (http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/patente_1908.pdf)
alan
QuoteStudy this, there is only one mechanism for magnetic FE and this is the simplest poc.
http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/patente_1908.pdf
This is incorrect and in fact there are many mechanisms for magnetic FE...
For example, if we strike a magnetized iron core with a hammer it scatters some of the magnetic domains which can induce a coil. The same effect can be produced by a radiant energy impulse which constricts the core material scattering the domains causing induction. In this respect were speaking of a parametric phenomena and changing a physical property. As Faraday implied, it doesn't matter how we invoke a field change for induction only that we do.
There are also countless devices which use magnetic field manipulation ie. delayed field propagation and/or switching. There are lot's of options and the concept and process is the most important thing to keep in mind.
Regards
AC
Yeah, there may be different methods, but in the end it's obeying the same physics law/mechanism.
@kampen also check out hyiq.org
Good morning. I re-wound the stator and the rotor.
I tried using just one phase (110 volts, 60 HZ)
COP = 0,60 feeding from the stator and 0,65 feeding from the rotor.
I connected rotor windings in a bi-filar way.
I will test some other options as I can get time for that.
Quote from: seychelles on March 17, 2022, 04:22:57 AM
PERMANENT MAGNET IS INVOLVED IN THE CENTER CORE BUT NOT DISCLOSED.
Most likely PMs are in the "rotor" coils, idea i proposed 2-3 years ago here and i am sure i was not the first to think of it.
His "explanation" that lenz is canceled cause "rotor" coils are stationary is of course nonsensical as his whole "explanation".
Either there are PMs in the secondary coils or there is phase shift, delayed lenz, or he is using bucking coils in some configuration.
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 17, 2022, 09:09:47 AM
Good morning. I re-wound the stator and the rotor.
I tried using just one phase (110 volts, 60 HZ)
COP = 0,60 feeding from the stator and 0,65 feeding from the rotor.
I connected rotor windings in a bi-filar way.
I will test some other options as I can get time for that.
You have not found the position of the rotor at which the EMF of the phase is maximum possible for the static design of the standard rotor and stator.
Quote from: nix85 on July 17, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
Most likely PMs are in the "rotor" coils, idea i proposed 2-3 years ago here and i am sure i was not the first to think of it.
His "explanation" that lenz is canceled cause "rotor" coils are stationary is of course nonsensical as his whole "explanation".
Either there are PMs in the secondary coils or there is phase shift, delayed lenz, or he is using bucking coils in some configuration.
Lenz can't be cancelled! Lenz is the direction of the vector! Without Lenz, there is no EMF induction. Lenz has nothing to do with the Ampere Force, but in a static design it works to the fullest, as well as in a dynamic version.
Quote from: ariovaldo on July 17, 2022, 09:09:47 AM
Good morning. I re-wound the stator and the rotor.
I tried using just one phase (110 volts, 60 HZ)
COP = 0,60 feeding from the stator and 0,65 feeding from the rotor.
I connected rotor windings in a bi-filar way.
I will test some other options as I can get time for that.
I'm not sure what you have done, yet, but I'd go for N-S-N-S with equal poles facing each other and make it rotate.
Quote from: seychelles on March 17, 2022, 04:22:57 AM
PERMANENT MAGNET IS INVOLVED IN THE CENTER CORE BUT NOT DISCLOSED.
What's its function?
Holcomb is a static dynamo which eliminates the need to fight back-torque.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4307.0;attach=45029 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4307.0;attach=45029)
Smudge has written a paper on electron spin as source of energy
Will also post in his moderated board here if any questions
Like how to experiment?
I hope link works
Post number 53 here
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4307.msg99636;topicseen#msg99636 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4307.msg99636;topicseen#msg99636)
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 17, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Lenz can't be cancelled! Lenz is the direction of the vector! Without Lenz, there is no EMF induction. Lenz has nothing to do with the Ampere Force, but in a static design it works to the fullest, as well as in a dynamic version.
You totally misunderstood. No one says lenz is not there, lenz is normal consequence of the natural law that inductor resists sudden change of current through it, be it by induction or through application of voltage to it. Reaction is there always (unless we talk non-inductive aka bucking coils but that is another topic).
Obviously, as clearly stated, we are looking at methods to divert that reaction from impinging on the driving source, or to balance forces in such a way that to the primary it appears as if there is no counter field developed.
Hi !
Lenz's law does not interfere with obtaining free energy , The Lenz force can be used to compensate for energy costs.
https://overunity.com/18539/minimal-lenz-generator-v2/
And if you create additions to Lenz's law, then you can build electrical machines on a new principle of operation.
https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776
The Lenz force vector can be 180 degrees. The received energy can contribute to the reason for which it arose.
regards Boris
Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter and other info in the pdf.
A good Saturday afternoon project with the kids!
SL
I wonder what Ufopolitics thinks of the pole timing,
during the 8ms period there's 1ms when all poles are off ?
You only need 4 mosfets, one for every n and s pole,
and don't forget a diode so you not fry your mosfets with the back emf.
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 18, 2022, 05:51:32 AM
I wonder what Ufopolitics thinks of the pole timing,
I dont know.
p.s.
Is this pair suitable for experiments ?
Size fits inside one inside the other. Only poles 9 and 12.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 18, 2022, 08:51:30 AM
Wonder where did you get the Outer Stator from?
Those are not very common!!
It was some kind of not very new hard drive. :)
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 18, 2022, 05:51:32 AM
I wonder what Ufopolitics thinks of the pole timing,
during the 8ms period there's 1ms when all poles are off ?
Hello Feb,
I think it could be disregarded, thanks to the ferromagnetic core(s) there is always a delay in the Field collapse which is greater than 8ms...
The Field collapse takes more time, and as long as we do not allow the reverse currents to fully develop within coils, it is harmless.
Take care
Ufopolitics
Quote from: SolarLab on July 17, 2022, 11:18:08 PM
Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter and other info in the pdf.
A good Saturday afternoon project with the kids!
SL
Beautiful work SL!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on July 18, 2022, 08:11:28 AM
p.s.
Is this pair suitable for experiments ?
Size fits inside one inside the other. Only poles 9 and 12.
Wow, that is a great small project!!
If you could find more of the same type (both, inner+outer), you could stack them in a vertcal array, that way your vertical conductors would be longer and so, more induction...
And you could use either rotating outer like DZ Gen, or Inner, like Holcomb...
Wonder where did you get the Outer Stator from?
Those are not very common!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: BorisKrabow on July 17, 2022, 10:59:30 PM
Hi !
Lenz's law does not interfere with obtaining free energy , The Lenz force can be used to compensate for energy costs.
https://overunity.com/18539/minimal-lenz-generator-v2/
And if you create additions to Lenz's law, then you can build electrical machines on a new principle of operation.
https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776
The Lenz force vector can be 180 degrees. The received energy can contribute to the reason for which it arose.
regards Boris
I don't know if you're replying to me, but lenz does very much interfere with OU, it is the greatest obstacle and as all here and in conventional community know bypassing the lenz directly means infinite energy.
Now, as i said in first post here "Either there are PMs in the secondary coils or there is phase shift, delayed lenz, or he is using bucking coils in some configuration."
So there are methods to make primary not "see" the lenz or see it much less and the OU becomes possible.
How then do we bypass Lenz, or the backemf (flux linking induction) or backtorque (motional induction) it causes: by simulating motional induction with non-moving parts. This is what Holcomb is doing and Figuera was the first. Lenz will always appear inside the coil according the right-hand rule, but it won't go through the input coils and cause backemf, decreased impedance and thus increase in current, because of the geometry. (ideally, if it works)
There are many methods as all here know since there are million threads about this.
I'd say Daniel Cook was the first, he was playing with something like bucking coils,
he was experimenting with magnetism for 35 years before he supposedly got his
OU device etc, he said there are 8 orders of interaction in it as current rebounds
and interferes with itself...
As for Figuera i also believe he was using N to N to bypass lenz altho patent says NS.
My intuition tells me this is one of solutions, compressing the fields and producing
induction with minimal movement, be it mechanical or solid state.
yet the team is still looking for the demonstration and confirmation of a single one.
Cook, Sweet, Figuera, MEG, Holcomb, Hooper, all are using the same mechanism but differently.
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 18, 2022, 05:51:32 AM
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You only need 4 mosfets, one for every n and s pole,
and don't forget a diode so you not fry your mosfets with the back emf.
Good points.
Also, having equal current flow in opposite direction at the same time in the same slot is wasteful because the sum contributes nothing to magnetic excitation. Therefore the same end result can be had exciting only one coil in the set of four at any instant, saving more than half of the resistive loss.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 18, 2022, 08:45:35 AM
Hello Feb,
I think it could be disregarded, thanks to the ferromagnetic core(s) there is always a delay in the Field collapse which is greater than 8ms...
The Field collapse takes more time, and as long as we do not allow the reverse currents to fully develop within coils, it is harmless.
Take care
Ufopolitics
So my two pole LinGen should work with a fast enough PWM signal ?Let's say 4 ms on 1 ms of or faster.With my setup I can switch in the microsecond range.
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 18, 2022, 12:41:50 PM
So my two pole LinGen should work with a fast enough PWM signal ?
Let's say 4 ms on 1 ms of or faster.
With my setup I can switch in the microsecond range.
@Feb,
So, on these systems, and according to my experience...first thing you should look for is a higher resistance of your exciting coils, based on small gauge wire and more turns per coil...basically if you are working on electronics as drivers...and so, you should manage to have a Full Induction Field which will not consume more than 1.0 to 2.0 Amps at full driving power...however, generates a strong Field (strong EMF)
On your end electronics drive, I highly recommend to use Optocouplers for low signal transfer (to Gates) of your FET's or FET's Bank(s).
I have no idea about your coils arrangement, gauge size, number of turns, etc,etc...and how would you be driving coils to simulate a displacement of the field...so, my advice ends here.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
To All...
Related to Lenz and these Non Rotational Systems...of course Lenz is present, however, not physically, since there is no rotation of any mass that causes induction, but just the Magnetic Field, which is massless, frictionless...So, all you will note is a high pitch/low bass "humming", whenever you load these generators...similar to a High current loaded Transformer.
Lenz will cause Input currents to increase when Non Rotary Generator is loaded, however, this increase are never at the levels that you all can observe in a typical rotary generator.
A typical rotary generator have a huge steel massive rotor core, that when the generator is fully loaded tends to lock itself (physically) with stator (a Full Lenz Effect)...this creates an immediate "skyhigh" increase of currents as RPM's decay...then AVR sends a mechanical signal to ICE, which "fully opens its throat" to more gas...increasing torque to max levels...to overcome Lenz stiffness of this huge and heavy stiff rotor.
On Non Rotational Generator Systems, all we need to do to overcome Lenz, is about the same thing as a typical rotary generator do...increase driving speed of the Magnetic Field (or increase frequency, same thing)...except, we are not driving that huge and massive steel rotor...locked physically with another huge steel mass...the Stator.
As we increase the virtual Field Rotational speed, (since there is no physical delay at all) there is an immediate response on currents coming down at Input, as rising on Output...they are Indirectly Related, meaning, the more you increase speed of Field, the lower the Input Amperage comes down to...as the Higher the Output Amperage rises.
Honestly, I could only compare this so different scenarios...as accelerating an old Diesel War Tank, say an old Russian Tank from WWII...versus accelerating a Tesla S Model...or I could even compare it to accelerating a carbon fiber F-18 full blast through the clouds...
Or maybe flying a UFO...using the antigravity effects at max... :)
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Edit: I changed "an old Sherman Tank" by a "Russian old Tank from WWII"...since German Tanks drive much better and are far better designed from the engineering point of view...compared to a Russian tank...
Ufopolitics
QuoteRelated to Lenz and these Non Rotational Systems...of course Lenz is present, however, not physically, since there is no rotation of any mass that causes induction, but just the Magnetic Field, which is massless, frictionless...So, all you will note is a high pitch/low bass "humming", whenever you load these generators...similar to a High current loaded Transformer.
Having seen and tested a working device I would have to disagree on a few points...
Lenz Law is very specific and relates to a changing magnetic field inducing a current thus a secondary magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced it. Like most systems it is based on Faraday's equal and opposite reaction to the original action. In effect this is the problem and the solution...
This is not true of a majority of these FE systems and there is no equal and opposite reaction by design. Think of it this way, if we could encapsulate a magnet in a non-interacting vessel to hide the magnetic field we could move it towards a coil. We would then open and close the vessel inducing the coil and then move it away. In this case there can be no equal and opposite reaction because the coil was not induced on approach or when moving away. In effect it is the non-interaction producing a non-symmetrical action/reaction which produces the gain in work thus energy. Simply put, things do not interact the way they normally do.
Here is another example of a non-symmetrical system I tested. Normally we remove or negate one magnetic polarity (N-S) with an opposite magnetic polarity (S-N). We say one magnetic field negates or cancels the other opposite magnetic field. We consider this as normal playing one magnetic field against another magnetic field. However they are not true opposites as both are magnetic fields, they are the same phenomena. If we wanted a true opposite we would produce a demagnetizing field which results in no magnetism of any polarity.
In effect, it is the fact that Lenz Law is very specific and only relates to a discrete sequence of events which gives us an advantage.
Think of Earnshaw's theorem, it supposes that no magnetic dipoles or electric charges can levitate in a stable system. They always flip or orient themselves to attract each other. However if we spin a magnet it can it can find a stable position and levitate above another magnet. This is possible because the theorem doesn't include a secondary force like spin thus it's important to understand when the rules apply and when they do not. The concept of free energy is really no different and were looking for instances when the rules begin to break down and fail to have application.
Your definitely on the right track you just haven't taken it far enough. However as we know most people who came to understand how all this stuff works were overwhelmed and eventually lost their mind, so there's that. I'm a country boy, I have a bad attitude and like to get my hands dirty. So even if I had a UFO parked in my garage I'm not sure I would think much of it. It's a machine, a cool machine, but if I ever showed anyone they would come unglued and much drama would ensue. It always seems to turn into a complete shit show most real inventors want no part of in my opinion.
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2022, 04:43:51 PM
Ufopolitics
Having seen and tested a working device I would have to disagree on a few points...
unless it was a Holcomb one and you have photos, your post is just noise here.
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2022, 04:43:51 PM
Ufopolitics
Having seen and tested a working device I would have to disagree on a few points...
Regards
AC
AC,
I have no idea what working device you have tested...but, related to what I have shown (so far) on this website...I can tell you, you can not establish - on a Non Rotary Generators System, a direct (+Field) to (-Field) kind of Physical action-reaction comparison, like you see in any typical generator, where at least one component rotates...whether Induced or Inductor...like it is explained on any Physics Engineering Book related to typical rotary Generator and Lenz Law relationship.
Here the "Reactive Field" is mounted on a steel stator...same as a typical generator...HOWEVER, the Inducing Field or Exciter generating this Reaction, is just a "Ghost", a Spectrum which can go through any real mass, steel, copper, aluminum...like never has been done before in any "official" type generator.
So, I am very pleased to inform to you, that "flying" through a Lenz Reaction on these Systems does not involves any "Physical Reaction"...except a slight increase on Input Currents...
Yes, we have Lenz, I agree on that before...but realize that the Reactive Lenz Field is anchored to the Output Stator Core and coils...while the Exciting Field is moving through it as easy as a "breeze" of fresh air...
The only issue here, is that by accelerating too much the speed of the virtual rotating field, you loose too much Input Currents, hence, the Field strength decay too much and so, Induction decreases...however, all we have to do is to keep a correct and compensated operating speed.
And so, like any other generator...in order to build a nice and strong Field, we need quite some voltage and some amperage (eg: a typical single phase, home generator 4kW, -when fully loaded- requires around 170V and 2.0 Amps on the exciting Field Coils)...otherwise the Induction would be weak...so, we have to build this setup, to be able to handle that field strength according to our output demand.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
He never said, if primary does not see lenz, is it driven by purely reactive power,
(of course + the core and copper losses)
if that is the case, gain should be far more than x5, unless lenz is not completely
invisible to the primary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM
Hi nix85
Let's look at two simple examples.
1 A classic device that works according to Lenz's rule. The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil increases and if the electric circuit is closed, then the coil begins to counteract the magnet with the same field as the magnet.
2 A device that works according to other laws.The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil decreases and if the electrical circuit is closed, then the coil begins to contribute to the movement of the magnet with the opposite pole than the magnet .
https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776
it is very simple and has been in the public domain for a long time :) . I hope in the near future many people will have free energy .
Best regards Boris
Got some more realistic numbers for last experiment. I could get close to Serge original numbers in his video if I used a resistive load of 0.1ohm
But I have moved on to smaller scale now and I love what I'm seeing from other builders. Thanks SL for the excellent pdf
Quote from: BorisKrabow on July 19, 2022, 02:48:39 AM
Hi nix85
Let's look at two simple examples.
1 A classic device that works according to Lenz's rule. The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil increases and if the electric circuit is closed, then the coil begins to counteract the magnet with the same field as the magnet.
2 A device that works according to other laws.The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil decreases and if the electrical circuit is closed, then the coil begins to contribute to the movement of the magnet with the opposite pole than the magnet .
https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776 (https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776)
it is very simple and has been in the public domain for a long time :) . I hope in the near future many people will have free energy .
Best regards Boris
Hello Boris,
I looked at your project...
Problem I see here is that an Air Coil (for generating "decent" currents and voltage output) is not exactly a good induction example.
An Air Coil is very susceptible to magnetic changes, so, of course, if you play with alternating poles using a mid set steel plate, it will do reverse within coil as you have said...and tested.
But have you measured your True Output (V&A), versus all energy spent to obtain the process?
IMHO, the ideal generating setup, requires a steel core at both sides, Inductor and Induced, in order that Exciting Field (Inductor) enters the Induced Coil, magnified by steel, and so it transfers great power out...but Lenz, for sure, will be there...
For a Motor application it could be useful, not for a Generator.
Edit: Let me try to illustrate what happens when you do what you are proposing...
When you approach a North Pole to an Air Coil...an Induction process starts
in one direction...and if you swap Poles (or interfere by approaching an opposite pole) before the first process ends, then a reverse process starts, which will cancel or severely weaken your first Induction...
So, eventually, what you are doing is generating your own Lenz effect, before Lenz takes place.
Remember, the higher your power Output, the stronger Lenz will be present...and so, also the opposite:
A weak induction and low power output will generate a weak or very low Lenz effect.
Regards
Ufopolitics
By the way...
I ordered some new toys...arriving some time next week.
A brand new Rigol 4 Channel Digital Scope and another Current Probe (Tektronic A622) identical to the one I have...
So, I want to take serious measurements this time...Two Clamps measuring In-Out Amps...at the same mV range
Plus two Passive Probes on In-Out Voltage...
All in one Scope.
We would see...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: BorisKrabow on July 19, 2022, 02:48:39 AM
Hi nix85
Let's look at two simple examples.
1 A classic device that works according to Lenz's rule. The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil increases and if the electric circuit is closed, then the coil begins to counteract the magnet with the same field as the magnet.
2 A device that works according to other laws.The magnet approaches the coil. The magnetic field in the coil decreases and if the electrical circuit is closed, then the coil begins to contribute to the movement of the magnet with the opposite pole than the magnet .
https://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg564776/#msg564776
it is very simple and has been in the public domain for a long time :) . I hope in the near future many people will have free energy .
Best regards Boris
It can be done and as i said i proposed a similar idea few years ago, by placing
a weak magnet on its side inside the coil, or two magnets back to back with piece
or iron on top, we need to cancel repulsion when rotor magnet enters the coil and
attraction when it leaves.
I read your post, it is not clear how you imagined that rotor magnet passing in 3D
and more than that explanation is not clear how you imagined that will produce
reverse lenz.
If that steel plate is of any significant thickness it will suck up all the magnet
flux and coil will not see any.
I do like however and have for a long time been pondering on similar combinations
to use attraction to iron to counter lenz and such ideas existed for a long time
before you or me thought of them.
Also closely related is a use of iron to make opposite poles stick together...
Those are all good interesting ideas.
nix85
hi all !
It is clear that other tests are needed. Feedback from other researchers about their experiments on the Lenz reverse is also needed. Without numerous checks and successful replications, this technology is unlikely to be mass-produced.
My device was designed to search for the Lenz inversion effect. Of course, a working prototype must have a different design.
I have an idea that the technology demonstrator should be a pendulum.
The pendulum increases the amplitude of its movement when a load is connected to it (incandescent lamps). There are no connections to power sources and measuring instruments.
I must add that the device I presented is the only one that showed the reverse effect.I made many attempts to change the design and arrange the parts differently ......
Those researchers who want to repeat or change the design should remember that Lenz's law is stronger than it seems.
I'm sure free energy will soon be readily available. :)
Best regards Boris
What do you have under the Lenz Force? If the electromagnetic force, then this is not Lenz, this is the Ampere force!
All. that in education. associated with Lenz as the braking of the generator, complete nonsense, made on purpose, I already know this for sure.
Recording: E = -dФ/dt, is inherently incorrect, since if for a conductor connected to the battery (or in the generator phase) it will look like: dE = -dBi/dt
For a generator, in order to form an EMF, the record has the form: dФ/dt = -dE, [Ф = BmS]
Now think about what is primary in the electromagnetic induction of the generator? [ E = -dФ/dt ????????????]
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
Lenz only describes the direction of Ampere.
What is the reason that you wrote dE?
Quote from: alan on July 20, 2022, 09:29:46 AM
Lenz only describes the direction of Ampere.
What is the reason that you wrote dE?
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568829/#msg568829
Because these values are synchronous: Bm = E
Lenz cannot describe the direction of Ampère's force, Lenz is a vortex vector. Everything will be chewed in detail in my book, already at the stage of completion.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 20, 2022, 09:56:24 AM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568829/#msg568829 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568829/#msg568829)
Because these values are synchronous: Bm = E
Lenz cannot describe the direction of Ampère's force, Lenz is a vortex vector. Everything will be chewed in detail in my book, already at the stage of completion.
Normally induced EMF is proportional to the derivative (changing) of B, or E=d(B.s)/dt=dФ/dt, but this is the flux on the inside a circuit only.
The minus in Faraday's law, EMF=-dФ/dt is Lenz's law, it's only an indicator, the field created by current is according Ampere's law when current and B it produces are proportional.
"In turn, the induced current causes a magnetic field according to Ampere's Law, which itself has a flux through the closed loop. According to Lenz's law, the direction of the induced current and resultantly the induced magnetic flux opposes the original magnetic flux."
Or are you saying EMF can create Bm?
I'm not following it, yet. Looking forward to the theoretical results of your study.
What is, according to your research the most important error in EM theory that needs correction, so OU is made possible?
interesting patent that you posted on your site
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf
Quote from: alan on July 20, 2022, 11:42:10 AM
Normally induced EMF is proportional to the derivative (changing) of B, or E=d(B.s)/dt=dФ/dt, but this is the flux on the inside a circuit only.
The minus in Faraday's law, EMF=-dФ/dt is Lenz's law, it's only an indicator, the field created by current is according Ampere's law when current and B it produces are proportional.
The question arises, you connect the wire to the battery terminals, how should the formula be written? exactly as it is written in all textbooks. Only (dФ) needs to be correctly deciphered.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
As you all re-enter the Lenz Law discussion circle for the umpteenth time, review this 16 Apr 22 post
from OUR (reposted below) while keeping in mind all these Laws are related and interact in one form
or another.
Also, review the LinGen Diagram posted earlier while paying attention to the Lap Coil Winding
physical layout. This might help in visualizing the Lenz action, or lack thereof. (attached below)
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Sorry for the long post but this is very important towards understanding (analyzing) Holcomb's and other devices.
Two Electromagnetic Equations - Yield the Same Results
Of the four laws of electromagnetism, let's consider only Lorentz Force and Faraday's Law of induction.
They both arrive at the same answer; but their mechanisms are different. Some may say Faraday's Law
is associated with Lenz whereas Lorentz is not - Faraday deals with an alternating magnetic field - Lorentz
deals with a sweeping (traveling) magnetic field.
Review the earlier "Asymetric transformers - AAbramovich Discussions" section "Equivalence of induction
according to Lorentz and Faraday" and the information below. Note that the differences between Faraday
and Lorentz were never really resolved - history - seems Einstein got in the way - since he couldn't solve
it, he started a new branch of physics - Special Relativity - and further attempts at a resolution faded. Lots
of reading but worth it!
Four Laws of Electromagnetism
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/ (https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/)
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html (https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html)
Why Faraday's law and Lorentz force create the same electromotive force?
The Faraday's induction formula (flux rule) of electromagnetism says that the electromotive force (emf)
created in a conducting circuit is equal to the rate at which the magnetic flux through the conducting circuit
changes as it is written on a high school text in physics. This emf can be calculated in two ways: either by
using the Lorentz force formula and calculating the force acting on electrons in the moving conductor of the
circuit; or via one of Maxwell's equations (Faraday's law) and calculating the change of the magnetic flux
penetrating through the circuit. The Lorentz force formula and Maxwell's equations are two distinct physical
laws, yet the two methods yield the same results.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm)
Includes a bit more "history" - Faraday's Law of Induction:
https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx (https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx)
... "This is not exactly what Faraday described but was called Faraday's Law by Oliver Heaviside. It does not
include the movement emf; that is the force effect Faraday found. The magnetic force is called Lorentz force.
Current flowing in a wire in the presence of a magnetic field will experience a force and move if not restrained.
In this case, magnetic energy is released kinetically." ...
" The previous mention of the relative motion of magnetic field and electric circuit has had considerable thought
by many, well-known physicists. Richard Feynman stated: (1)
So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit
applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) ...
Yet in our explanation for the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases Faraday's Law
equation (both vector quantities: -v x B) for "circuit moves" and Faraday's Law equation (vector: V x E = -dtB)
for "field changes".
We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its real
understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.
Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
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Lorentz Force 3d view animation video (Lorentz is near the end, 6:26)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY)
------------- Food for thought ---------
Professor Eric Laithwaite: Magnetic River 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU)
Professor Eric Laithwaite: Motors Big and Small - 1971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiYsRi2Dss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiYsRi2Dss)
SL
Sometimes old theories don't explain everything.
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/the-source-charge-problem.html (https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/the-source-charge-problem.html)
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/em-waves-imply-curved-spacetime.html (https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/em-waves-imply-curved-spacetime.html)
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 20, 2022, 05:46:03 PM
Sometimes old theories don't explain everything.
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/the-source-charge-problem.html (https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/the-source-charge-problem.html)
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/em-waves-imply-curved-spacetime.html (https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/em-waves-imply-curved-spacetime.html)
Feb2006,Well, they may not describe everything but we've done pretty good, and gone a long way, with them so far!
Always open to new theories and ideas but the source should also be considered as well - for example:
From the "Free Energy Planet" - About Me and My Blog
I am Jeff Sheets and I own and write for Free Energy Planet. It all started when I was still studying in college,
way back when blogging was still some online journal to write your rants and raves about (think it's still that
way, only more refined). I created blogs whenever I felt like and deleted them the moment I became bored.
Free Energy Planet is my personal blog so I write articles that mostly interests me, like blogging, writing, life,
society and culture, books, and personal development. I'm also an opinionated person so you would definitely
find me sharing my point of views here, there, and everywhere in this blog.
Please contact me if you have any questions, or if you just wanna talk or fight or something.
Think I'll pass on this "Free Energy Panet" blog for now! - Lots of references to paid books, etc. but no
real "meat" so to speak; unless there is something burried in the blog somewhere.
Paul Dirac (Dirac equation - Nobel Prize in Physics 1933) might also be a good read with respect
to "The Source Charge Problem."
SL
I only meant those two pages, not the whole blog,
"Bearden:Energy from the vacuum - concepts and principles" are hard to get hold of nowadays.
And the pdf I downloaded as a preview from the authors webpage it's not the whole book but
all the theoretical stuff.
The Dirac equation it's the Matter part of "The theory of everything (so far)".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVQfWC_evg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVQfWC_evg)
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"Only those who atempt the absurd can achieve the impossible." Albert Einstein
Quote from: SolarLab on July 20, 2022, 02:55:32 PM
As you all re-enter the Lenz Law discussion circle for the umpteenth time, review this 16 Apr 22 post
from OUR (reposted below) while keeping in mind all these Laws are related and interact in one form
or another.
https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx
.............................................................
SL
I am just considering issues that are considered to be unshakable, but you are at an impasse with them. I refine them and add details that the design specifically missed.
For example, there are other views with which I also partly agree!
https://www.veritasium.com/videos/2021/11/19/the-big-misconception-about-electricity
By the way, the force of magnetic attraction cannot possibly be the Lorentz force. If you look at it, this is the derivative of the Ampere force in reverse order. All magnetism is compared with electromagnetism. Yes, they have an interaction, but this dadeko is not the same. Just answer the question why does a permanent magnet have an active field, without an external source? Science has no answer to this question, for that the answer is in another, the magnetic field is more primary than the electric one.
PS If you look at Holcomb's designs, he did not reveal the secret of electromagnetic induction, he imitated a mechanical generator. Figuer's secret is not revealed by Holcomb.
Sincerely.
Why discuss Lenz?
Because it is this law that enforces conservation of energy in induction systems.
"Lenz's law is a consequence of the law of conservation of energy. The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another form. Lenz's law states that the direction of current is such that it opposes the change in the magnetic flux."
If we want OU we have to know what we are doing and understand what we are trying to change. I think the secret lies in motionless "motional E induction", see Floyd Sweet "Nothing is something", also see Hooper, Moray and Graneau.
What is LinGen?Is it the same as that patent posted before? https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf)
Does Bearden's MEG work?
Quote from: alan on July 21, 2022, 06:43:50 AM
Does Bearden's MEG work?
I improved it a little :) https://overunity.com/18563/magnetic-air-coil-generator-mag/
Hello to All,
Ok, so, continuing on the Lenz "saga"... :)
In my opinion, and in order to understand what these non rotational systems do related to this law...We need to separate Lenz into two parts:
1- The physical side effect, which could be seen anywhere we look at...Generators, Motors and Transformers, even the later one, not having any moving part(s).
This physical side would be easier to understand from any N-S Magnetic Interaction point of view, no matter where we set the individual N or S poles, whether at Rotor or in Stator, So, all this "Locking" physically of the Rotors is plainly and simply caused by Two Magnetic Fields in Attraction mode.
2- As a Direct consequence of the Physical side, or as a "Direct Response" to, We get a demand of higher currents from our Input side, in order to compensate the System to "equalize" back to normal operation.
Permanent Magnet Systems are ALWAYS trying to look for a balance of Forces by themselves no matter what, without absolutely any external help...We have seen it in all attempts done through history, in order to get a perfectly self-running Magnet Motor.
And so, since we are playing with Magnetic Systems as well, on any Electromagnetic Machine, we have exactly the same balancing principle applying...
1-a : Any Motor, once loaded mechanically, increases Lenz physically and as a result, Increases Currents, due -directly- to a Rotor forced to slow down physically, which causes magnetic interactions to "acumulate" or delay related to Space-Time progression.
1-b: The same exact deal as in a Motor, takes place in any Rotary Generator...
1-c: In a Transformer, even it does not have any moving parts, we obtain the same "Lenz Effect #2", so, current rises in our Primaries, whenever we load the Secondary or Output end.
How come?
Well, the answer is simple, we have Both Magnetic Fields (Input-Output) locked down and Static, caged and bound to the same, commonly shared steel frame.
IMHO, a Transformer principle, is just like a "locked generator" except the windings are calculated to stand the Input-Output currents range, and the bulky steel frame for heat sinking, without the need to rotate.
So, first, digest all this, I have put it in simple words, without any math formulas...in order to understand it better...and not making a long post...
So, I will continue with Non Physical Rotational Generation Systems next...
Best regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: BorisKrabow on July 21, 2022, 07:23:07 AM
I improved it a little :) https://overunity.com/18563/magnetic-air-coil-generator-mag/ (https://overunity.com/18563/magnetic-air-coil-generator-mag/)
Awesome, this is the VTA. Did you get OU?
Part 2...(Cont)
Non Rotational Energy Generating Systems and Lenz...
Again, this is only my opinion, as I have proven all my work on these Systems for a long while...even though I have not being able to prove a full and steady Overunity result...for those "knowledgeable in the Arts", know that I am very close to achieving it...
On these Systems, the Lenz reacting Field is set to be fixed to a Stator steel frame, while the "Non rotary Rotor" steel frame and copper coils (sorry about the redundance), are in charge to Transport the Magnetic Field Spectrum through its mass...
And this is where the advantage simply lies...where we have a Frictionless, a Massless Field, which could travel through Space-Time with zero friction, zero heat generation (except for the heat produced by currents running through the copper wires, which is very fast sinked on the steel frame).
This is our way to compensate for Lenz reaction, period.
The rest is all related to the original principles, where by simply driving this "Ghost Field" through any mass, faster and effortlessly, it will fight Lenz reaction, which we have caged in Space-Time fixed position.
Lenz will jump and Hum in a Tantrum, like there is no tomorrow...but there is nothing it can do against such a fast displacement of the massless Field...and Currents will do come down at Input, while Increasing at Output...the same way we achieve it on the typical Rotary Generator...except here we do it much easier and less Energy spending in Gasoline and Heat generation.
This is plain and simple guys....and all you need to do, is stop talking here, and get your hands on the freaking Bench...and build it!!...so you all can see it with your own eyes what I am talking about.
And like any surging, new technology, it needs a lot of dedication, a lot of calculation to make it perfectly stable...
And so, I am working on it...Now...Are You?
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Hello,
Since the Holcomb generators use a traveling magnetic flux wave,
can a hybrid configuration of PMs and (EMs or coils) be used in the design?
Would the usage of PMs along with the (EMs or coils) be more efficient
than a design without PMs in it?
Would not a configuration of PMs and Active EMs produce a functional PM magnet?
The drawing is just a crude first thought of what it might look like.
I am sure there would be better designs.
Lunkster
Quote from: Lunkster on July 21, 2022, 10:15:18 AM
Hello,
Since the Holcomb generators use a traveling magnetic flux wave,
can a hybrid configuration of PMs and (EMs or coils) be used in the design?
Would the usage of PMs along with the (EMs or coils) be more efficient
than a design without PMs in it?
Would not a configuration of PMs and Active EMs produce a functional PM magnet?
The drawing is just a crude first thought of what it might look like.
I am sure there would be better designs.
Lunkster
Permanent Magnets, fixed to this structure, alternated between the transitional coils
plain and simple, will NOT WORK!!Permanent Magnets fixed here all would do is
ANCHOR the moving field, get it stock...period.
Comprende?
The only way a PM will work on these systems...is, IF the PM is also physically moving along with the virtual rotational field...but then, we will fall on the same exact "game" we all have been playing on, for the past 200 plus years.
Unless we use it the same way a Rotational Generator do, just to get it started (enhanced magnetic reminiscence)...and then PM will just needs to be one or two weak and small neo magnets...not any bunch of PM's!!
Ufopolitics
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 21, 2022, 01:59:52 AM
I am just considering issues that are considered to be unshakable, but you are at an impasse with them. I refine them and add details that the design specifically missed.
For example, there are other views with which I also partly agree!
https://www.veritasium.com/videos/2021/11/19/the-big-misconception-about-electricity (https://www.veritasium.com/videos/2021/11/19/the-big-misconception-about-electricity)
By the way, the force of magnetic attraction cannot possibly be the Lorentz force. If you look at it, this is the derivative of the Ampere force in reverse order. All magnetism is compared with electromagnetism. Yes, they have an interaction, but this dadeko is not the same. Just answer the question why does a permanent magnet have an active field, without an external source? Science has no answer to this question, for that the answer is in another, the magnetic field is more primary than the electric one.
PS If you look at Holcomb's designs, he did not reveal the secret of electromagnetic induction, he imitated a mechanical generator. Figuer's secret is not revealed by Holcomb.
Sincerely.
It appears the author of this video [
The misconception is that electrons carry potential energy around a complete conducting loop, transferring their energy to the load] has not studied electromagnetics from DC through Daylight. So, my view is rather than waste time debunking this sort of stuff, you are better to spend your time learning what is already known.
By that, I mean, at low frequencies you can neglect skin effect and the Displacement Current Link between the Voltage and Current. Each can be treated and analyzed seperately with no real ill effects on the answer.
This is often refered to as "Lumped Element" design - descrete resistors, capacitors, inductors, point-to-point wiring, etc.
As frequency increases the apparent electron flow within the wire tends to move the electrons further towards the conductor's outter edge and beyond. Displacement current becomes more and more a part of the picture. This is where the voltage and current become linked through displacement currents (you've all seen the EM wave propagaation cartoons). Thats when/how electromagnetic waves become Radio Waves that can propagate through air.
This is often refered to as "Distributed Circuit" design where the circuit board traces (conductors) become an integral part of the design along with antenna design, wave guides, etc..
However even at low frequencies the phase relationship between voltage and current is important as seen, for example, in real and apparent power. Lots of other examples as well but that's a four year course plus phd stuff.
Note that the "structures physical size" also plays a critical part in the analysis approach (the wavelength (highest operating frequency/harmonics vs structure size). For example, a 1000 mile telephone line or undersea cable versus a millimeter wave interconnect trace. They both require similar methods of design. A general rule of thumb is to consider any structure over a 10th to about a 16th of a wavelength could be considered distributed for analysis purposes.
Maxwell's equations tend to adequately describe the entire electromagnetic spectrum and, importantly, do not consider a time component therefore the equations are "conservation of energy" agnostic - they do not care about over unity, and as such, are ideal when analyzing a device like Holcombs.
You put a signal in, it goes around and does a few things, and something comes out. The interactions within the device can get pretty wild and wonderful and chances are you would not be able to do an analytical solution in one or two lifetimes. But, luckily a computer and a numerical algorithm (usually in matrix form) can provide great insight in a matter of hours (or days for a complex circuit).
There might be some better theories than Maxwell's equations and better tools than EM CAE but I'm not familiar with them, plus, my old knowledge and tool set seems to still give correct answers, so - if it works, don't fix it!
We have designed and built many devices using our current knowledge already; new ideas and theories are always welcome but only if they have some value added!
SLEdit: added a note about structure physical size versus wavelength.
The inductance of one of the phases of this stator was measured.
The inductance was measured with a stator wrapped around the
circumference with a permalloy tape, and without a tape.
With the tape, the inductance was 850 uH. No tape 250 uH.
The measurement was made with a parallel capacitor 0.22uF.
The frequencies were approximately 11 and 21 kHz. So I was right. :)
SL, You won't believe it, the calculation principle of the electromagnetic design does not change, the approach to tasks changes, based on additions, missed moments, in the theory of electromagnetic induction. Therefore, the concept of Lenz's rule does not apply to magnetic forces, but only to the action vectors of electric and magnetic fields.
Rakarskiy
QuoteSL, You won't believe it, the calculation principle of the electromagnetic design does not change, the approach to tasks changes, based on additions, missed moments, in the theory of electromagnetic induction. Therefore, the concept of Lenz's rule does not apply to magnetic forces, but only to the action vectors of electric and magnetic fields.
Indeed, we cannot generalize and lump everything together using conventional concepts...
Lenz Law does not apply to one magnetic field acting on or inducing another magnetic field unless an induced current is present. That's the limitation of Lenz Law and it only applies to Electro-Magnetic fields. Ergo Lenz Law cannot apply to a purely magnetic motor which uses switched/displaced field phenomena with no coils or conduction currents.
Lenz Law is very specific and applies to an induced current producing a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced it, no more no less.
Here is where most make mistakes...https://byjus.com/physics/lenzs-law/
QuoteNamed after Emil Lenz, Lenz's law depends on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton's third law. It is the most convenient method to determine the direction of the induced current. It states that the direction of an induced current is always such as to oppose the change in the circuit or the magnetic field that produces it.
Many make this mistake and it's called a false cause fallacy. Lenz Law does not "depend on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton's third law" that's absurd. Lenz Law tends to agree with the COE and support the concept. I agree with the COE just not the backwards way most use it. As we can see many put the cart before the horse which relates to false cause.
The author then goes on to confuse the matter even more...
QuoteLenz's law is based on the law of conservation of energy. From the definition of Lenz's law, we know that the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it. Therefore, there is extra work done against the opposing force.
Again we see false cause and Lenz's law is not based on the COE it supports the concept. They then go on to confuse the issue further by claiming "the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it" which is false. The induced current is only opposed by the cause if said cause is a changing magnetic field.
So we can see how many start adding there own assumptions and false cause to the equation. In fact, I have found a few instances where a current can be induced in a conductor and it has little or no effect on the phenomena which induced it. Obviously it wasn't a changing magnetic field otherwise Lenz Law would apply and that's not what we want...
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 22, 2022, 02:44:40 PM
Rakarskiy
Indeed, we cannot generalize and lump everything together using conventional concepts...
Lenz Law does not apply to one magnetic field acting on or inducing another magnetic field unless an induced current is present. That's the limitation of Lenz Law and it only applies to Electro-Magnetic fields. Ergo Lenz Law cannot apply to a purely magnetic motor which uses switched/displaced field phenomena with no coils or conduction currents.
Lenz Law is very specific and applies to an induced current producing a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced it, no more no less.
Here is where most make mistakes...https://byjus.com/physics/lenzs-law/
Many make this mistake and it's called a false cause fallacy. Lenz Law does not "depend on the principle of conservation of energy and Newton's third law" that's absurd. Lenz Law tends to agree with the COE and support the concept. I agree with the COE just not the backwards way most use it. As we can see many put the cart before the horse which relates to false cause.
The author then goes on to confuse the matter even more...
Again we see false cause and Lenz's law is not based on the COE it supports the concept. They then go on to confuse the issue further by claiming "the induced current is always opposed by the cause that produces it" which is false. The induced current is only opposed by the cause if said cause is a changing magnetic field.
So we can see how many start adding there own assumptions and false cause to the equation. In fact, I have found a few instances where a current can be induced in a conductor and it has little or no effect on the phenomena which induced it. Obviously it wasn't a changing magnetic field otherwise Lenz Law would apply and that's not what we want...
Regards
AC
An interesting approach of transfusion from empty to empty.
Faraday's law (describes the relationship between fields when they interact) or Lenz's law (describes how these fields interact).
There is only one question: where is the detailed mechanism of the interaction of causes and effects?
Rakarskiy
QuoteAn interesting approach of transfusion from empty to empty.
Faraday's law (describes the relationship between fields when they interact) or Lenz's law (describes how these fields interact).
There is only one question: where is the detailed mechanism of the interaction of causes and effects?
There can be no true detail relating to cause and effect because the translation is discontinuous. Supposedly A acts on B through a space which it cannot logically act through because there is no mechanism to support said translation. Ergo, a wave cannot act through a distance without a wave carrier otherwise it cannot be a wave by definition. We can label said translation as a "field" however this is obviously problematic when nobody has any idea what said field is. Ergo, labeling something in no way implies understanding...
It also begs the question what Faraday actually said and it's consequences. In my opinion Faraday's laws are inseparable from Lenz Laws as they imply the same logic and outcome. Faraday basically said this is how induction works then Lenz said this is a consequence of what Faraday said. Then as a further consequence everyone believed nobody could be intelligent enough to work around what they said...obviously they were wrong.
That's the kicker isn't it?, many suppose nobody could be more intelligent than they are yet there always proven wrong. In fact, the exponential growth of knowledge proves many 20 years from now will be magnitudes more intelligent than we are... such is life.
Regards
AC
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Quote from: onepower on July 22, 2022, 06:37:00 PM
Rakarskiy
There can be no true detail relating to cause and effect because the translation is discontinuous. Supposedly A acts on B through a space which it cannot logically act through because there is no mechanism to support said translation. Ergo, a wave cannot act through a distance without a wave carrier otherwise it cannot be a wave by definition. We can label said translation as a "field" however this is obviously problematic when nobody has any idea what said field is. Ergo, labeling something in no way implies understanding...
It also begs the question what Faraday actually said and it's consequences. In my opinion Faraday's laws are inseparable from Lenz Laws as they imply the same logic and outcome. Faraday basically said this is how induction works then Lenz said this is a consequence of what Faraday said. Then as a further consequence everyone believed nobody could be intelligent enough to work around what they said...obviously they were wrong.
That's the kicker isn't it?, many suppose nobody could be more intelligent than they are yet there always proven wrong. In fact, the exponential growth of knowledge proves many 20 years from now will be magnitudes more intelligent than we are... such is life.
Regards
AC
It's all philosophy! You can philosophize when you know for sure.
Philosophy for an engineer is like the fifth leg of a mare. An engineer needs accurate data and methods.
Therefore, if there is no precise step-by-step understanding of the processes of electromagnetic induction, the result will always be philosophical.
Have you performed at least one complete engineering calculation of a synchronous generator according to existing methods?
Rakarskiy
QuoteIt's all philosophy! You can philosophize when you know for sure.
Philosophy for an engineer is like the fifth leg of a mare. An engineer needs accurate data and methods.
QuotePhilosophy; The study of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning.
As a fellow Engineer it sounds a lot like engineering doesn't it?. The important part many seem to have overlooked is logical reasoning. So while engineering may be about data/methods philosophy is about having the insight to understand what data/methods apply and what doesn't. It allows us to separate the wheat from the chaff and make progress.
As we know all the greatest engineers, scientists, inventors followed multiple disciplines which may be why they found success. As such I find it very strange why anyone would limit themselves in any way. As they say, we should listen to the people who found success not those who wish they had. In this respect the only real expert here would appear to be Holcomb...
Regards
AC
FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT STILL BE INTERESTED IN MOVING AHEAD
Throwing around theoretical bits and pieces, although interesting, won't get you from "A" to "B" any
time soon and the need for "B" is rapidly approaching. One method of getting to "B" is suggested below.
Ansys Electrinics Desktop Student (free software download)
https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student (https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student)
(Built-in license valid until 07/31/23)
Includes Maxwell 3D and Circuit (all you need to look into LinGen)
Product Restrictions (student version):
Mesh element count limit:
HFSS, Maxwell, Q3D Extractor: 3D volume: 64,000 elements, 3D surface: 8,000 elements, 2D: 2,000 triangles
[keep your 3D layout simple - see block diagram posts - should be enough elements - will check later]
Icepak: 512K elements
HFSS: SBR+, hybrid and mesh assembly solves not supported [not needed]
No geometry export [not needed]
Geometry Import for DXF and STEP formats only
Integration with Ansys Workbench not supported [not needed]
Beta features not supported [not needed]
Local solve only (remote configuration not supported) [not needed]
Academic terms of use
Download and install - look around the software (menues, etc); also have a look at the on-line
"Getting Started" lessons, in particular "Transient Solvers"
https://courses.ansys.com/index.php/courses/ansys-maxwell-getting-started/lessons/transient-solvers-in-ansys-maxwell-lesson-3/ (https://courses.ansys.com/index.php/courses/ansys-maxwell-getting-started/lessons/transient-solvers-in-ansys-maxwell-lesson-3/)
Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be "context built-in Help function" but there is a good, searchable, "Help.pdf"
found in the |Help| menu. Page 97 of the pdf is where the Maxwell HELP starts [note the "Process Flow" topics].
This (free - top of the line) EM CAE software is too comprehensive to cover here but it is definately worth your while
to spend a little time fooling with it and learning in detail. A day, or maybe two, of hard-learning curve - then the payback!
You will also find that your understanding of the complicated inter-twined theory will start to fall into place nicely as you
move through, and analyze, your design!
Lots of on-line resources and peer help as well.
Will see if a simple LinGen file can be created and posted for your added "enjoyment!"
And SAVE all the "It's stupid" and "It doesn't work" and "all Engineers who use this CAE stuff are brain dead" COMMENTS.
If you don't want to try it, for what ever reason, then don't, and just move on quietly...
SL
Ansys AEDT video resources
There are quite a few on-line video tutorials available regarding "AEDT - Ansoft Electronics Desk Top."
Search the Ansys site as well as the various open source video platforms. As an example list:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGfupEFC34BNIqKlCGUKwEA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGfupEFC34BNIqKlCGUKwEA)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBJX2JwvsI45r0P27uMUbFw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBJX2JwvsI45r0P27uMUbFw)
https://www.youtube.com/user/ANSYSHowToVideos (https://www.youtube.com/user/ANSYSHowToVideos)
https://www.youtube.com/user/ansysinc (https://www.youtube.com/user/ansysinc)
Of particular interest are the "WPT - Wireless Power Transfer" related ones since the "LinGen" shares much technical commonality with the WPT concepts.
A wealth of information is available for the asking - so don't be afraid to make use of it.
SL
.
Engineering Philosophy 101
At one time, Maxwell died unrecognized. Talented graduate student Hertz, received a task from the venerable physicist Helmholtz to refute Maxwell. He set up experiments exactly according to Maxwell's equations, and it turned out that he was completely right. The equations accurately described the laws of electromagnetism obtained by Faraday.
Quote from: ramset on May 10, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
"Solarlab" Has not been posting here ,
However I believe that may change..?
additional HES discussion is here,
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927;topicseen#msg98927)
(Above topic hosted by AllCanadian)
Solarlab is doing very specific analysis on Holcomb Energy Systems
Chet K
Yes it is interesting to watch Solarlab evolution during these few years.
and indeed it is progressively noticeable.
Wesley
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 23, 2022, 03:35:28 PM
At one time, Maxwell died unrecognized. Talented graduate student Hertz, received a task from the venerable physicist Helmholtz to refute Maxwell. He set up experiments exactly according to Maxwell's equations, and it turned out that he was completely right. The equations accurately described the laws of electromagnetism obtained by Faraday.
Rakarskiy,Very interesting and significant bit of history, for me anyway, since I was not aware of this.
Maybe a full Lecture on this fact; and a Chapter in your Book!
Thank you for sharing.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on July 23, 2022, 03:04:33 PM
.
Engineering Philosophy 101
This is not a philosophy, this is an algorithm for the work of an engineer or the adoption of a particular decision. Philosophy is an explanation of global laws, and engineering technique is the mechanism of their functioning in metric systems.
For example, the concept of Energy is philosophy, and the concept and calculation of powers is engineering.
No, this episode will not be in the book, but some historical details will be.
For example, Faraday: E = B, (t) - let's remove, consider only the moment, position. (Philosophy)
Lenz, on the other hand: specifies the position vector mechanism: E = -B (Engineering technique)
Why is it so, in my book it will be just right!
Can this principle (Dr. Holcomb) work at high (radio frequencies)?
On coils without ferromagnetic cores.
Similar to how there was a topic here about one transmitter in the center of a circle, surrounded by many detector receivers. Too bad I can't find this picture. If do it, just the opposite.
There is a book found in this post that you may find useful as a reference:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98963#msg98963 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98963#msg98963)
(Professor Thomas A. LIPO's "INTRODUCTION TO AC MACHINE DESIGN" latest version 2017)
Quote from: kolbacict on July 24, 2022, 12:21:27 PM
Can this principle (Dr. Holcomb) work at high (radio frequencies)?
On coils without ferromagnetic cores.
Similar to how there was a topic here about one transmitter in the center of a circle, surrounded by many detector receivers. Too bad I can't find this picture. If do it, just the opposite.
You should be able to model your idea using the student version of Ansys Electronics:
https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student (https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student)
See this previous post -
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569138/#msg569138 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569138/#msg569138)
As a matter of fact; many of the devices presented over the past 10 years can be easily modelled
to see if/how they work. [this has been ongoing for a while now - therefore the Holcomb LinGen posts]
A very cost effective way to varify the many schemes that have been postulated throught these threads
and elsewhere!
Quote from: SolarLab on July 24, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
You should be able to model your idea using the student version of Ansys Electronics:
https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student (https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student)
I'll try. We don't untill have access to it.
QuoteAccess Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student" on this server.
Reference #18.b26a645f.1658734602.8293f33
But I can think of something.
Besides, if we do not have ferromagnetic cores in the coils, we could be to accelerate the speed of rotation of the field above the speed of light.
p.s.
And the design of the Hubbard generator is also somewhat reminiscent of this.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 25, 2022, 03:47:00 AM
IAccess Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student (http://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student)" on this server.
Reference #18.b26a645f.1658734602.8293f33
Thank you for the link.
I assume tha
t Rashists the bandits,
terrorists,
rapists, thieves stealing Ukrainian toilets , microwaves, and woman used underwear
- are not eligible to access
civilized world intellectual property.
Unfortunately some good people suffer as well.
Please correct me if you think it is not like that..
Wesley
Oh Boy - here comes the TROLL.
We knew that would happen - over the target!
;D
Quote from: kolbacict on July 25, 2022, 03:47:00 AM
I'll try. We don't untill have access to it.But I can think of something.
Besides, if we do not have ferromagnetic cores in the coils, we could be to accelerate the speed of rotation of the field above the speed of light.
p.s.
And the design of the Hubbard generator is also somewhat reminiscent of this.
downloaded fine here.
Quote from: stivep on July 25, 2022, 08:54:45 PM
Thank you for the link.
I assume that Rashists the bandits, terrorists, rapists, thieves stealing Ukrainian toilets , microwaves, and woman used underwear
- are not eligible to access civilized world intellectual property.
Unfortunately some good people suffer as well.
Please correct me if you think it is not like that..
Wesley
Russians always lie. This rabble of Turkic blood, who stole the history of the original Rus, even here is disingenuous, pretending.
Theft is their creed, toilets are just an indicator, at the Putin level they have already stolen more than 1.2 million people from Ukraine (original Rus) (including more than 350 thousand children), relocating them to special zones on their territory in Siberia and in the Far East.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 26, 2022, 01:48:15 AM
Russians always lie. This rabble of Turkic blood, who stole the history of the original Rus, even here is disingenuous, pretending.
Theft is their creed, toilets are just an indicator, at the Putin level they have already stolen more than 1.2 million people from Ukraine (original Rus) (including more than 350 thousand children), relocating them to special zones on their territory in Siberia and in the Far East.
Off topic.
Quote from: stivep on July 25, 2022, 08:54:45 PM
Unfortunately some good people suffer as well.
With the help of VPN today there is access, you can download.
But another problem came up the archive is as much as 5.6GB.
And I do not have fast unlimited internet, and my computers are very old.
I assembled all my computers myself in parts from all sorts of rubbish. :)
Well, nothing, everything will be fine. We'll come up with something.
Downloading tonight. ;)
p.s. And how about rotating the field faster than the speed of light?
QuoteRussians always lie.
And what am I personally to blame for, that they don't take me either in Ukraine, or in the West, or even in Southeast Asia. They labeled me as a second-class person, without my knowledge, without asking my opinion. They invented all sorts of documents, pieces of paper, certificates and other crap. They established up all sorts of slingshots and obstacles so that they would not seep through. >:(
Quote from: kolbacict on July 26, 2022, 02:16:49 AM
p.s. And how about rotating the field faster than the speed of light?
And what am I personally to blame for, that they don't take me either in Ukraine, or in the West, or even in Southeast Asia. They labeled me as a second-class person, without my knowledge, without asking my opinion. They invented all sorts of documents, pieces of paper, certificates and other crap. They established up all sorts of slingshots and obstacles so that they would not seep through. >:(
Нет необходимости, превышать скорость света!
Людей всегда оценивали, оценивают и будут оценивать по их позиции и поступкам!
Главное, чтобы позиция и поступки, всегда совпадали.
А вот какая позиция и какие поступки это уже и есть тот момент принимают тебя или нет. Хитрожопость нигде не уважается.
No need to exceed the speed of light!
People have always been evaluated, evaluated and will be evaluated by their position and actions!
Recently doubts visit. Maybe there is no rotating field ?
A light spot, yes, moves along the inner circle, perhaps even faster than the speed of light.
But a spot of light does not carry information or energy around the circumference.
It's such a virtual, ephemeral thing. And all energy comes from the center, from the source of light.
Maybe Holcomb just invented a three-phase transformer, more advanced, completely symmetrical ?
Because in the classic three-coil three-phase transformer there is a drawback, a slight disparity in all phases. Right?
Quote from: kolbacict on July 26, 2022, 02:16:49 AM
p.s. And how about rotating the field faster than the speed of light?
@Kolbacict
You could rotate the Magnetic Field faster than "C" (speed of light) no problems with that...
The problem is that your steel cores and all your copper coils wires, will not even notice that a Field is passing by... ;D
Generators are designed, conceived, to run at a specific low frequency (50-60 Hz) or 3600 RPM's top.
So, if you even get to generate a High Frequency Electricity, it will NOT be good to power ANY Appliances that are designed to run on 50-60 Hz (ALL)...plus you will fry all their electronic components.
However, I know You will not care...like you did not, when I suggested the type of winding that works here, made diagrams, etc, etc...but you kept winding a roll of horizontal coil around vertical inductor...so, really, I have no idea why I am even writing all this...for you.
At the end you do not take any given advice.
A total waste of time... ???
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on July 26, 2022, 05:45:23 AM
Recently doubts visit. Maybe there is no rotating field ?
And what does electrical engineering say about the shape and structure of the rotating field in the generator?
Generators are designed, calculated, manufactured and operated all over the planet. From the point of view of a radio operator - the designer has no idea about the structure of the rotation of the field with which he works. If so, then how are these generators designed?
Partly, it is! A lot of education provides information about electric motors, and negligible about generators. Such a, by default, classified information
Quote from: Ufopolitics on July 26, 2022, 08:10:59 AM
.but you kept winding a roll of horizontal coil around vertical inductor...
I haven't reeled anything since. I did an experiment and nothing more.
I work and experiment as best I can. These rotor and stator, inner and outer, which I showed in the picture earlier, there is too much gap between them. It still won't work. No point. We will look for others. I want to make a program for the AVR microcontroller for a nine-pole stator of coil switching for running magnetic field . So that you can quickly change the switching of coils one at a time and in groups of two and three. :)
Quote from: SolarLab on July 21, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
[The misconception //
As frequency increases the apparent electron flow within the wire tends to move the electrons further towards the conductor's outter edge and beyond. Displacement current becomes more and more a part of the picture. This is where the voltage and current become linked through displacement currents (you've all seen the EM wave propagaation cartoons). Thats when/how electromagnetic waves become Radio Waves that can propagate through air.
This is often refered to as "Distributed Circuit" design where the circuit board traces (conductors) become an integral part of the design along with antenna design, wave guides, etc..
#1. varying electric field creates magnetic field dE/dt.= displacement current.
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/electromagnetic_waves/displacement_current.asp (https://www.tutorialspoint.com/electromagnetic_waves/displacement_current.asp)
we don't need any particles,, minute 10:29.
after you click the link please click :
Displacement CurrentQuote from: SolarLab on July 21, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
Thats when/how electromagnetic waves become Radio Waves that can propagate through air.
No.Electromagnetic wave is not becoming "Radiowave" that can propagate through air because of displacement current.
displacement current affects only magnetic component affecting than shape of electrical signal in the wire/conductor e.g connected to capacitor.( as in the video)
look at #1.
note: plates of capacitor are conductors.electromagnetic wave doesn't use wires to propagate - it uses resonator LC reactive circuit ( having R) to become EM wave.
And wire- conductor ( by its name) doesn't have to act as resonator to carry on effect of displacement current that never becomes EM wave.
Radio Wave is another name for electromagnetic wave
( of given bandwidth) so one cannot
become or evolve to the other.
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/electromagnetic_waves/displacement_current.asp (https://www.tutorialspoint.com/electromagnetic_waves/displacement_current.asp)
watch minute 10:29 of the video.
after you click the link please click :
Displacement CurrentMedium for EM wave is NOT WIRE/CONDUCTOR
and
Quoteelectromagnetic waves do not require a medium in order to transmit. / propagate
Therefore, electromagnetic waves can travel through a vacuum where there is no medium.
but displacement current does need a medium !!!
Quotea dielectric medium in between.
QuoteThe displacement current is caused due to the rate of change of electric current density.
This phenomenon is more important in capacitors.
The capacitor is an element that is made up of two conducting plates and a dielectric medium in between.
https://www.watelectrical.com/displacement-current-formula-significance (https://www.watelectrical.com/displacement-current-formula-significance/#:~:text=The%20displacement%20current%20is%20caused%20due%20to%20the,conducting%20plates%20and%20a%20dielectric%20medium%20in%20between.)
https://www.studysmarter.us/explanations/physics/turning-points-in-physics/electromagnetic-waves/s. (https://www.studysmarter.us/explanations/physics/turning-points-in-physics/electromagnetic-waves/#:~:text=Unlike%20mechanical%20waves%2C%20electromagnetic%20waves%20do%20not%20require,visible%20light%2C%20ultraviolet%20light%2C%20X-rays%2C%20and%20gamma%20rays.)
additional explanation:
electric field
Quote(sometimes E-field ) is the physical field that surrounds electrically charged
particles and exerts force on all other charged particles in the field, either attracting or repelling them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field)
Summary:
displacement current - using analogy to classical mechanics can BE EXPLAINED as:
-
one of gears in mechanism that may have infinite number of applications having nothing to do with Electromagnetic Wave
or
- as an essential ingredient for non specified diner made by your girlfriend or one of them.
:)
Wesley
Have you ever used any of the full 3D EM CAE tools to analyze or design electromagnetic devices?
(Ansys, CST, COMSOL, FECO, JMAG, etc.) Need some background from which to present pragmatic,
practical based theoretical answers. Otherwise it's all just smoke from the ass!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on July 27, 2022, 02:18:22 PM
Have you ever used any of the full 3D EM CAE tools to analyze or design electromagnetic devices?
(Ansys, CST, COMSOL, FECO, JMAG, etc.) Need some background from which to present pragmatic,
practical based theoretical answers. Otherwise it's all just smoke from the ass!
SL
out of subject.
you didn't respond to the subject matter with answers.
It is not nice to respond with question to the question/s
Quote from: SolarLab on July 27, 2022, 02:18:22 PM
it's all just smoke from the ass!
I'm not your enemy. Please prove me wrong.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 27, 2022, 01:22:56 PM
Radio Wave is another name for electromagnetic wave so one cannot become or evolve to the other.
Why do I have 10W RF power. 100MHz. and 10MHz. allocates the same amount of heat in a matched load, and matched cable? After all, we know that the energy of an electromagnetic wave quantum increases in proportion to the frequency. So the heat should be ten times more.
skin effect ?
Quote from: kolbacict on July 27, 2022, 02:33:23 PM
Why do I have 10W RF power. 100MHz. and 10MHz. allocates the same amount of heat in a matched load, and matched cable? After all, we know that the energy of an electromagnetic wave quantum increases in proportion to the frequency. So the heat should be ten times more.
Answer to your previous post.
Quote from: stivep on July 27, 2022, 01:22:56 PM
Radio Wave is another name for electromagnetic wave ( of given bandwidth) so one cannot become or evolve to the other.
30 hertz to 300 GHz. Electromagnetic (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=c0e5dd925e430f65JmltdHM9MTY1ODk0OTYzNiZpZ3VpZD0wYzkzN2Q5Ny0xYzY4LTRjYWMtYTI0NC0wNDI1MTc0ODVjODMmaW5zaWQ9NTQ2OQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=310b706b-0de1-11ed-862d-9257f7387b68&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPUVsZWN0cm9tYWduZXRpYytSYWRpYXRpb24mZmlsdGVycz1zaWQlM2E2MzU4Mjk1ZC02YTUyLTJkZjgtODcwYS1mODhhOTI5N2FhZWQmZm9ybT1FTlRMTks&ntb=1) waves is in this frequency range, called
radio waves,
https://en.wikipedia.org (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum#:~:text=The%20radio%20spectrum%20is%20the%20part%20of%20the,widely%20used%20in%20modern%20technology%2C%20particularly%20in%20telecommunication.)
__________________________________________________
Frequency vs
energy of electromagnetic wave.
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/spectrum_chart.html (https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/spectrum_chart.html)
How are frequency and energy in electromagnetic waves related?
https://socratic.org/questions/how-are-frequency-and-energy-in-electromagnetic-waves-related (https://socratic.org/questions/how-are-frequency-and-energy-in-electromagnetic-waves-related)
the last link you may skip as too extended covering of subject matter :
https://opentextbc.ca/universityphysicsv2openstax/chapter/energy-carried-by-electromagnetic-waves/ (https://opentextbc.ca/universityphysicsv2openstax/chapter/energy-carried-by-electromagnetic-waves/)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 27, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
out of subject.
you didn't respond to the subject matter with answers.
It is not nice to respond with question to the question/sI'm not your enemy. Please prove me wrong.
Wesley
OK,Lets clairify a few things:
1. Set a BASELINE for discussions and answers (what is your fundamental knowledge base?) so that we are all on
the same page and using common nomenclature and definitions.
2. More often than not (with you anyway) it is essential to respond to your (out of the ass) questions with clarification
questions. This avoids the dodging and obfucation often encountered when pinpointing the exact solution.
3. The topic of this forum discussion is "Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world" not some
EM theory debate.
4. Using EM CAE tools to analyze, design and varify the Holcomb methods and techniques was the latest set of posts;
therefore acquiring and using these (free in some cases) tools is of importance (not some diatribe about the religion
of some foreign nation or conflict or who's the enemy).
5. So, let me ask again to set the BASELINE for further discussion:
HAVE YOU EVER USED ANY OF THE FULL 3D EM CAE TOOLS TO ANALYZE OR DESIGN ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICES?Without a simple, straight forward, answer I CAN NOT HELP YOU. Sorry!You will have to direct your comments and questions elsewhere.
SL
Again the same behavior is manifested by you.
Set of questions and/or statements in my previous post addressed to you requires your response.
If you don't understand something please quote it and explain why.
but don't respond with question to the question.
Expected answer of yours is supposedly proving me wrong or accepting the content included there.
If you disagree than please explain why?
Use or not use of specific "tools" doesn't affect the content because in 20th century, before computers, the same results were achieved.
I see your progress in last few years as promising.
I respect you and your value
but everyone might be top-notch in something.
You stepped into area of my specialty - electromagnetic waves and particle physics.
I would love to be wrong, as this is one of elements of progress.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 27, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
out of subject.
you didn't respond to the subject matter with answers.
It is not nice to respond with question to the question/sI'm not your enemy. Please prove me wrong.
Wesley
how about you stop trolling instead. I have no time for your racist ramblings.
Quote from: Jimboot on July 27, 2022, 04:07:30 PM
how about you stop trolling instead. I have no time for your racist ramblings.
It is an accusation.
For explanation and verification: I respect every:
-race, -nation, including Russian Nation !! but not aggressors in Ukraine.-often officially called Rashists.
I was employing two Russians at the position of scientists before 9/11
in my office in World Trade Center 1
That is how I learned Russian language. - but you didn't.
-religion, -sexual orientationTake it for granted or from my statement here.But that doesn't mean that I can't ask questions.
Controversy is a tool of progress including my own
:)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 27, 2022, 04:03:12 PM
Again the same behavior is manifested by you.
Set of questions and/or statements in my previous post addressed to you requires your response.
If you don't understand something please quote it and explain why.
but don't respond with question to the question.
Expected answer of yours is supposedly proving me wrong or accepting the content included there.
If you disagree than please explain why?
Use or not use of specific "tools" doesn't affect the content because in 20th century, before computers, the same results were achieved.
I see your progress in last few years as promising.
I respect you and your value
but everyone might be top-notch in something.
You stepped into area of my specialty - electromagnetic waves and particle physics.
I would love to be wrong, as this is one of elements of progress.
Wesley
Final Notice!HAVE YOU EVER USED ANY OF THE FULL 3D EM CAE TOOLS TO ANALYZE OR DESIGN ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICES?Without a simple, straight forward, answer I CAN NOT HELP YOU. Sorry!
Quote from: SolarLab on July 27, 2022, 04:25:46 PM
Final Notice!
I understand that you can't respond to my post with counterarguments
Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569258/#msg569258) «
Reply #1097 on: Today at 07:22:56 PM »
as you have non on hand.
questioning while questioned is not accepted in world of education and science.
You should know it from your school exams.( and questioning, you will pass none of them. )
Try to give
Final Notice to your professor at the exam, and you will be out. "graduating" as a total loser.
Challenging you I was expecting educated response, but you didn't perform.
Thank you for your attention.
I wish you the best.
Wesley
Well that didn't work :(
Solarlab
I guess the obvious question is if all the FE inventors of the last 100 years didn't use or need CAE tools to succeed then why do we?. In fact many FE inventors had working technology well before the transistor and electronics were even invented.
We should also be clear you have as much demonstrable technology as anyone here which is none to my knowledge. Do you have anything other than speculation about your simulators, any tangible proof or working technology?.
In any case if Holcomb invented this technology with better theory and hands on experiments then so can the people here. At least we have proof Holcombs methodology works...he has working technology.
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 27, 2022, 06:16:54 PM
Solarlab
I guess the obvious question is if all the FE inventors of the last 100 years didn't use or need CAE tools to succeed then why do we?. In fact many FE inventors had working technology well before the transistor and electronics were even invented.
We should also be clear you have as much demonstrable technology as anyone here which is none to my knowledge. Do you have anything other than speculation about your simulators, any tangible proof or working technology?.
In any case if Holcomb invented this technology with better theory and hands on experiments then so can the people here. At least we have proof Holcombs methodology works...he has working technology.
Regards
AC
You don't need CAE, or any other tools for that matter - Tesla only had the tools he, himself,
created; for the most part anyway. Another 10 years of expensive "coiling" complex systems may be no big deal.
Having demonstrated a "proof-of-concept" for one version of Holcomb's techniques might be meaningless;
you would obviously know, more than anyone - but it may not be meaningless, as well.
Purchasing Holcomb's industrial scale devices certainly requires no knowledge of it's operation; a small wait
and a few bucks - that's it.
The point is, being proficient and fluent in using engineering aids (EM CAE) is not a "Cardinal Sin" and neither is
applying it to analyze FE technology. Also, sharing every little discovery is certainly not mandatory given the current
environment as well as the current attitude of some.
So, all the silly push-back and trolling regarding any attempt to understanding technology using whatever means
that is available seems pretty stupid and, well quite childish, wouldn't you say...
I and others full well know this board has been the sole Kingdom of a few Rulers who envision themselves as the Global
Authority on all things FE, but from the prospective of many of us peaons, we might not have another 10+ years
to wait until these self appointed Gurus decide when we will be allowed to persue our own development!
So we will move forward in our own way... [we're way past the standard trolling and other stuff, believe me].
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on July 27, 2022, 07:29:03 PM
You don't need CAE, or any other tools for that matter - Tesla only had the tools he, himself,
created; for the most part anyway. Another 10 years of expensive "coiling" complex systems may be no big deal.
Having demonstrated a "proof-of-concept" for one version of Holcomb's techniques might be meaningless;
you would obviously know, more than anyone - but it may not be meaningless, as well.
Purchasing Holcomb's industrial scale devices certainly requires no knowledge of it's operation; a small wait
and a few bucks - that's it.
The point is, being proficient and fluent in using engineering aids (EM CAE) is not a "Cardinal Sin" and neither is
applying it to analyze FE technology. Also, sharing every little discovery is certainly not mandatory given the current
environment as well as the current attitude of some.
So, all the silly push-back and trolling regarding any attempt to understanding technology using whatever means
that is available seems pretty stupid and, well quite childish, wouldn't you say...
I and others full well know this board has been the sole Kingdom of a few Rulers who envision themselves as the Global
Authority on all things FE, but from the prospective of many of us peaons, we might not have another 10+ years
to wait until these self appointed Gurus decide when we will be allowed to persue our own development!
So we will move forward in our own way... [we're way past the standard trolling and other stuff, believe me].
SL
Hear hear.
Jimboot,
A request, if I dare:
The next time you chat with Holcomb could you please ask him about what he means, exactly,
when he says "taking eight ( 8 ) to ten ( 10 ) strands in hand." [probably not the exact quote]
Assuming he means that he winds a number of turns with 8 to 10 strands of wire together - but I hate to
assume anything!
Thanks (off site so I won't be getting down there for a while)
SL
Sure love to, do you have a reference? Patent or video?
Don't remember the source off hand - will search - later.
Thanks
Motor rewind shop talk.
"In Hand"
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51058/what-is-two-in-hand-coil-winding-how-does-it-affect-the-inductor
"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."
Quote above was answer to question found on web link, Stackexchange.
Using parallel strands in place of large diameter copper wire improves slot fill factor, facilitates smaller radius bends at coil end-turns, reduces skin effect. The practice is common in OEM as well as rewindings. But the term "in hand" seems to be peculiar to rewind shops, to my knowledge.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 28, 2022, 12:28:12 AM
Motor rewind shop talk.
"In Hand"
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51058/what-is-two-in-hand-coil-winding-how-does-it-affect-the-inductor (https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51058/what-is-two-in-hand-coil-winding-how-does-it-affect-the-inductor)
"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."
Quote above was answer to question found on web link, Stackexchange.
Using parallel strands in place of large diameter copper wire improves slot fill factor, facilitates smaller radius bends at coil end-turns, reduces skin effect. The practice is common in OEM as well as rewindings. But the term "in hand" seems to be peculiar to rewind shops, to my knowledge.
bi
bistander,
Thanks - very helpful.
Have a good one!
It sure would have helped a lot if the "Ansys electronics desktop student"
had been able to make the transient calculations.
https://courses.ansys.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MAXW_GS_2020R2_EN_WS03.2.pdf (https://courses.ansys.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MAXW_GS_2020R2_EN_WS03.2.pdf)
Bistander
Quote"Two in hand" means you have 2 wires in parallel when you wind. This doesn't necessarily mean they are wound at the same time in parallel, it could just mean as you say above that they are connected at both ends after they wind. This is very often done to aid in manufacturing so that they can wind with a lower gauge wire. If 18 gauge wire is too big for your manufacturing processes, you can go to 21 gauge wire, two in hand. I've seen low voltage motors that are wound 3 in hand and 4 in hand. The inductance and resistance aren't significantly affected. Yes, you would use the same number of turns."
It makes sense because the magnetic field produced by a coil is dictated solely by the ampere-turns rule and the core material. Normally no other consideration is given to any other phenomena which is a defect of the standard methodology.
For example, the field curl about every conductor is presumed to couple with the one next to it producing a larger field around the sum of conductors. This is how the ampere-turns rule was created presuming the current through all the conductors is constant as well as the number of turns. It works so long as these conditions are met and when there not obviously it cannot work.
Think of the laws and rules of electrodynamics like a business contract. What is stipulated in the contract is all that matters and anything else outside that context is simply speculation. The contract or rule means what was claimed and nothing more otherwise anyone could interpret it to mean anything.
For example, the ampere-turns in a coil will change if...
1)The conductor length or number or turns changes.
2)The current is not uniform which ultimately relates to the electron density/velocity/emission within any said conductor.
3)An external force acts on the conduction electron in a non-uniform way producing a non-uniform current.
So we could refine the ampere-turn rule to encompass more unknown variables by simply stating that the number of conduction electrons per unit length actually acting through a given length define the field strength within that length. Any other claim is simply speculation because as Faraday implied we cannot know the countless ways in which the conduction electrons could act. For example, if X electrons moved Y length at Z velocity then 20% of the electrons were radiated from said conductor then obviously they cannot be included as conduction electrons from the point of emission forward. Thus we can only apply the rules where they apply within the context they imply otherwise were not actually following the rules...
Regards
AC
AC,
I think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 28, 2022, 11:27:23 PM
AC,
I think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.
bi
Oh, this is already the right direction "Ampere's Law"! Or rather, the creation of an electromagnetic force, which certainly has a magnetic induction parameter in its module.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
Here is my current today device.
The field rotates, three phases 200 Hz.
At the inner anchor, the power is very small.
the incandescent lamp does not light up. The LED lights up.
The gap between the stator and the rotor is too large than I wanted.
Hello kolbacict,
Please show us how the coils are wired, both inner and outer cores. And also, are you able to excite the primary coils to or near the rating for the wire gauge?
Thanks,
bi
bistander
QuoteI think Ampere's Law (with Maxwell's correction) has your concerns covered.
My feeling is that folks often take *ampere turn* too literally without a grasp on Ampere's Law actual meaning.
But let's keep on topic, or 'in hand'.
I think my post was on topic because it concerns the process in the Holcomb device.
Amperes Law does not recognize a non-uniform current which can produce non-perpendicular field lines and traveling magnetic fields within any given current loops. This is where the laws most presume to understand start breaking down producing a different result.
As well many have become so preoccupied with textbook theory they forgot how to think and solve problems. For example, we can have a single current loop where one side of the loop has more current flowing in it than the other side. For many this is inconceivable and they cannot imagine how this is even possible but it is. By the same reasoning we could also have many parallel conductors in hand with a common termination having different currents.
This phenomena should sound familiar because a similar process occurs in shaded pole devices. Shading, meaning to impair/change some part of the movement of a magnetic field change by using a shading coil to periodically oppose said movement. The alter ego of this process is implied above whereby the current in one part of a conductor can change with respect to another part of the same conductor.
I get it, it sounds impossible but impossible is relative to our understanding. More impossible than what, a free energy device?. 1000 years ago almost everything we know today was considered impossible so again it's relative...
Regards
AC
Quote from: bistander on July 29, 2022, 09:08:36 AM
Hello kolbacict,
Please show us how the coils are wired, both inner and outer cores. And also, are you able to excite the primary coils to or near the rating for the wire gauge?
Thanks,
bi
More or less like this.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 29, 2022, 01:08:16 PM
More or less like this.
Thanks, but of interest was the 12 coils, ie. how many poles?
And for experimental purposes, try a single coil on the former rotor. Then a scope trace of the generated voltage across that coil would be telling.
bi
HES (Holcomb Energy System) Review [29 July 2022]
Possibly the first viable, proven, in production, excess energy (FE/CE) system.
Holcomb's technologies have been professionally analyzed in detail exposing the science and engineering
behind the HES methods and techniques. Details are found here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442)
The HES website and social media pages contain a wealth of information including functional device descriptions,
insitu and laboratory tests, plus other developmental aspects. A variety of well written patents have also been published.
Facebook: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442)
Web page: https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
It becomes difficult, if not impossible, to argue or dispute "reality" at this point!
This attachment is an 'official' Technical Summary from Holcomb Scientific Research Ltd.
SL
https://vimeo.com/675757676 (https://vimeo.com/675757676)
And don't forget the DNV verification report.
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
https://vimeo.com/675757676 (https://vimeo.com/675757676)
And don't forget the DNV verification report.
Feb2006,
Thanks! Good background stuff - I did forget - plus, hadn't seen a source for "B-Roll" videos before.
(also, hope you got the lack-of transient sorted)
SL
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
https://vimeo.com/675757676 (https://vimeo.com/675757676)
And don't forget the DNV verification report.
Thanks for the link to this video. Good video except no sound. Anyone else get sound on it? Vimeo seems to have problems for some browsers.
Seeing all the extensive work they are putting into this project certainly lends credence to this being a real and valid free energy device.
Quote from: Feb2006 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
https://vimeo.com/675757676 (https://vimeo.com/675757676)
And don't forget the DNV verification report.
They came to Melbourne! How did I miss that.
Holcomb doesn't break down features into vital details (in their posts) to get a good conversion rate. So the reason for his OU is just the effect of magnetic amplification in electrical steel. All according to academic science.
There are two fields (the field from the excitation flow and the field from the phase under load) that need to be connected.
I already know exactly why this requires a triangular excitation waveform. This is the difference between a transformer and a generator (AC) or similar (DС). But in any case, the main obstacle to holding the EMF signal shape and the excitation current is the non-linear inductance parameter of the excitation electromagnet coils.
I clearly saw in the video from the Holcomb Energy System, a triangular waveform on the oscilloscope monitors.
In any case, at this moment, which I looked at with surprise, I answered. The whole reason is to create a linear rate of change of flow from zero to maximum and from maximum to zero. For any non-linear change in speed, the phase EMF graph will immediately respond, and not for the better.
As for the DNV Certification
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holcombe-energy-systems-the-new-steorn/959192/9
"Yeah, it is all a bunch of BS. I know people that have invested and still think it is going to work...when I called them out on facebook, instagram etc I have gotten banned. They took down their page that had the "verified" report from DNV-GL but they didn't take down the direct link: DNV Certification 10 It looks fake as hell...and if you go to the site to verify it on DNV Website DNVGL - Find a valid certificate 7 Nothing shows up for Holcomb anything!"
I've tried to find the DNV certification Holcomb posted on the DNV verification website as well but couldn't find anything either...
find a detailed open certification of the ROSH generator! Then answer the question, what kind of direction is "closable technologies". No one bothers you to set the object that Holcomb refers to in his reports. The question is whether the owner of the object wants to make his acquisition public. He is good and economical
@ Rakarskiy,
All I'm saying is that Holcomb posted a DNV certification report for there alleged invention which doesn't seem to be listed on the DNV certification website;
https://certificatechecker.dnv.com/
Novus
You can advertise your sight if things are slow ??
People do that all the time here !
Tacky but ?(*actually I will ask admin next few days since it's his liability)
However
Make sure you keep defamatory liability on your own "blog"
Here our host is not some anonymous keyboard jockey !
And is liable for content and his terms of service agreement
Reflects that !
Yes product is going out the door at Holcomb
And happy customers are the ultimate benchmark!
We shall see ??
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I will see if there is explanation for this report
Hmm I wonder if some one will have to pat royalties to some one else ?
It's a thought.
Quote from: Novus on July 30, 2022, 04:19:34 AM
As for the DNV Certification
https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holcombe-energy-systems-the-new-steorn/959192/9
"Yeah, it is all a bunch of BS. I know people that have invested and still think it is going to work...when I called them out on facebook, instagram etc I have gotten banned. They took down their page that had the "verified" report from DNV-GL but they didn't take down the direct link: DNV Certification 10 It looks fake as hell...and if you go to the site to verify it on DNV Website DNVGL - Find a valid certificate 7 Nothing shows up for Holcomb anything!"
I've tried to find the DNV certification Holcomb posted on the DNV verification website as well but couldn't find anything either...
Щас тапками закидают. :)
з.ы.
And in my yesterday's device, at least the load on the rotor does not increase the current consumed by the stator in any way. But the stator current is already too high. About 300mA
per phase. Power supply of stator are organized incorrectly. Needs to be redone.
QuoteHolcomb doesn't break down features into vital details (in their posts) to get a good conversion rate. So the reason for his OU is just the effect of magnetic amplification in electrical steel. All according to academic science.
I then believed that the additional energy comes from only virtual rotation.
You took and broke my dream ...
@ Ramset
I'm in no way affiliated with the blog I referred to. Only thought to include the detail as reference to where I found the info that the Holcomb verification statement may be a fake. Meanwhile I'm not so sure any longer since the DNV search option may only relate to certifications and not to the verification process. I've send a message via the local DNV site stating that I'm considering to invest in Holcomb and if they can confirm if the verification statement based on the detail I provided is valid.
I also have attempted to contact DNV, several times, a few months ago, with no success. I believe the verification claim and certificate they showed are false.
bi
some explanation of terminology used by rakarskiy
I hope it helps.Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 01:03:53 AM
his OU is just the effect of magnetic amplification in "electrical steel."
All according to academic science.
All according to academic science OU device doesn't exist and that's why OU doesn't have any properties.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 01:03:53 AM
There are two fields (the field from the excitation flow and the field from the phase under load) that need to be connected.
I already know exactly why this requires a triangular excitation waveform. This is the difference between a transformer and a generator (AC) or similar (DС). But in any case, the main obstacle to holding the EMF signal shape and the excitation current is the non-linear inductance parameter of the excitation electromagnet coils.
so are you saying:
linear triangular signal is used for #1"
excitation flow"
and
#2 "
field from the phase under load."
please explain what you understand by #1 and #2
Quotetriangular excitation waveform. is:
non-sinusoidal waveform named for its triangular shape. It is a periodic, piecewise linear, continuous real function.
Like a square wave, the triangle wave contains only odd harmonics. However, the higher harmonics roll off much faster than in a square wave (proportional to the inverse square of the harmonic number as opposed to just the inverse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_wave)
Quotenon-linear inductance is opposed to linear.
linear is air coil where inductance is independent from current flow. the best explained here:
https://youtu.be/e26A3-V19Nw (https://youtu.be/e26A3-V19Nw)
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 01:03:53 AM
The whole reason is to create a linear rate of change of flow from zero to maximum and from maximum to zero.
For any non-linear change in speed, the phase EMF graph will immediately respond, and not for the better.
So non-linearity is caused by (I assume " electrical steel") ferromagnetic conductive material core.( of a transformer)
Is that the DC saturable offset controlling AC explained here? :
https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it (https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it).
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 01:03:53 AM
magnetic amplification in electrical steel.
Effect of magnetic amplification is very interesting and explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier)
https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/ (https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/)
20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic
(https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it.)
Quoteelectrical steel. is the descriptor used by Holcomb
- they have found a new energy source called "electrical steel" which (are you sitting down?) is made of iron with small traces of silicon, manganese & aluminium. I suppose the key ingredient and what makes electrical steel special is the clever and carefully researched addition of the word "electrical" on the front of the word "steel".https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holcombe-energy-systems-the-new-steorn/959192 (https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holcombe-energy-systems-the-new-steorn/959192)
Wesley
Quote from: bistander on July 30, 2022, 09:00:40 AM
I also have attempted to contact DNV, several times, a few months ago, with no success. I believe the verification claim and certificate they showed are false.
bi
Here is the individual stated on the DNV certificate.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-rektorik-b504069a?trk=people-guest_people_search-card
Regards L192
Some notes of interest in the HES technical paper...
QuoteTherefore the weak magnetic field generated by the power input creates powerful moving magnetic fields which are responsible for generating electric power.
This is in line with what many other inventors have claimed whereby the inputs weak magnetic field generates a more powerful magnetic field. However there is no requirement that the field(s) rotate and many past devices were linear such as the Cook Coil. Rotation is simply more convenient for timing and higher frequency operation.
QuoteTherefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second.
Many people misunderstand the power capacity of these devices which I touched on a while back. Each cycle produces X gain in the input versus output which is generally a set variable. Therefore the total energy output is based on how many cycles can be generated per second or Hz. As such a better designed device which could increase the cycles/second from 250Hz to 500Hz would generate twice the energy output.
This is important because it shows the gain mechanism is generally fixed while the energy output is not. More so the gain mechanism is generally set within a fixed set of variables/parameters and it is the frequency of operation as gain cycles per second which determines the output. Here we should understand the COP is different than the output capacity as the COP only relates to the efficiency of the gain mechanism.
In effect the COP is an artifact from non-free energy systems where the efficiency of the transformation determined the output. This is not true of these systems which could have a marginal COP like 1.2 but a high output capacity so long as the cycle rate is very high. Which leads to some confusion when we try to apply old conventions to new technology. Think of it this way, if the output feeds the input it's looped in a circle and a circle has no beginning or end. Thus there is no input vs output or COP only the rate of conversion in cycles per second or Hz. Better put, what is the efficiency of a free energy device generating energy with no external input?...
Regards
AC
Quote from: stivep on July 30, 2022, 10:43:35 AM
some explanation of terminology used by rakarskiy
I hope it helps.
All according to academic science OU device doesn't exist and that's why OU doesn't have any properties.
so are you saying:
linear triangular signal is used for #1"excitation flow"
and
#2 "field from the phase under load."
please explain what you understand by #1 and #2
So non-linearity is caused by (I assume " electrical steel") ferromagnetic conductive material core.( of a transformer)
Is that the DC saturable offset controlling AC explained here? :
https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it (https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it).
Effect of magnetic amplification is very interesting and explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier)
https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/ (https://www.elprocus.com/magnetic-amplifiers-principles-and-applications/)
20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic
(https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-magnetic-amplifier/#:~:text=A%20magnetic%20amplifier%20is%20an%20electromagnetic%20device%20that,with%20two%20or%20more%20coils%20wound%20around%20it.)
Wesley
Magnetic amplification in electrical steel (a simple chapter from a physics textbook): https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html
[Electrical steel, also called dynamo steel, transformer steel, silicon electrical steel - an alloy of iron, usually with silicon, sometimes alloyed with aluminum, the finished product is produced in the form of thin sheets with a thickness of 0.05 to 2 mm.]
EMF (E=BLV) depends on two factors: 1) the magnetic induction (B) penetrating the conductor (L), and 2) the rate of change (V) penetrating this conductor (L). This speed is not the same along the entire curve of the sinusoid, it is non-linear. The linear signal is the rectilinear component of a triangular pulse.
A magnetic amplifier is a switching device, before the advent of semiconductors, it was widely used to control power in AC circuits (especially in railway transport)
PS
A picture from my book off the cuff. Everything is checked and justified.
Quote from: onepower on July 30, 2022, 11:16:49 AM
Some notes of interest in the HES technical paper...
This is in line with what many other inventors have claimed whereby the inputs weak magnetic field generates a more powerful magnetic field. However there is no requirement that the field(s) rotate and many past devices were linear such as the Cook Coil. Rotation is simply more convenient for timing and higher frequency operation.
AC
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question: how does an ordinary coil work in a conventional coil generator? When you understand the questions will disappear by themselves!
Quote from: listener192 on July 30, 2022, 10:57:25 AM
Here is the individual stated on the DNV certificate.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chad-rektorik-b504069a?trk=people-guest_people_search-card
Regards L192
Thanks L192,
Not being a member, I cannot see much about him, except:
CMC Surveyor
From Google;
"What is DNV certification?
DNV GL certification ensures the reliability of components and systems in the face of marine hazards. In the marine and offshore sector, this certification is a reference. Maritime actors recognize DNV GL certification as a guarantee that military and professional ships cannot escape."
CMC (certification of components and materials)
bi
Rakarskiy
QuoteHolcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question: how does an ordinary coil work in a conventional coil generator? When you understand the questions will disappear by themselves!
I agree and Holcombs claim seems more credible due to the points I outlined in my last post.
They understand the difference between COP, gain and the gain per cycle relating to the output.
Many other inventors making claims seldom go into sufficient detail and often end up contradicting themselves.
Not so of Holcomb and he only offers claims he seems willing to back up so this is good news.
From what was presented to date based on what I know I think Holcomb is the real deal. The only question which remains is ... can he pull this off and go mainstream?, I hope he does.
Regards
AC
Another Repeat of the Electrical Steel Magnetic Gain Function
B-H Loops are covered here in detail:
Chapter 2. Magnetic Materials and Their Characteristics from Transformer and Inductor Design Handbook
https://coefs.charlotte.edu/mnoras/files/2013/03/Transformer-and-Inductor-Design-Handbook_Chapter_2.pdf (https://coefs.charlotte.edu/mnoras/files/2013/03/Transformer-and-Inductor-Design-Handbook_Chapter_2.pdf)
Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter and other info in the pdf
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568976/#msg568976 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568976/#msg568976)
Link to pdf mentioned in the post above with BH discussion, etc.:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187868/ (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/187868/)
Starting to appear that the same lessons have to be repeated and presented every week!
Alarming part is that its the same people every week that can't get it.
Really Boring and a Waste of Time repeating the same stuff week after week!
SL
So, for those that can read for comprehension and figure simple stuff out, you've got everything you need... for
the rest - well, good luck!
Quote from: bistander on July 30, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
Thanks L192,
Not being a member, I cannot see much about him, except:
CMC Surveyor
From Google;
"What is DNV certification?
DNV GL certification ensures the reliability of components and systems in the face of marine hazards. In the marine and offshore sector, this certification is a reference. Maritime actors recognize DNV GL certification as a guarantee that military and professional ships cannot escape."
CMC (certification of components and materials)
bi
See link
https://www.dnv.com/services/requirements-for-generators-140538
I think this is to do with certifying the safety compliance of connecting a generator system to a grid.
Quote from: listener192 on July 30, 2022, 03:49:33 PM
See link
https://www.dnv.com/services/requirements-for-generators-140538
I think this is to do with certifying the safety compliance of connecting a generator system to a grid.
Thanks L192,
After reading that, I am further convinced the DNV document HES presented earlier was not legitimate.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 12:21:01 PM
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. -
initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. -
energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the
initial energy used vs
energy at output in units.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 30, 2022, 04:17:41 PM
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units.
Wesley
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569358/#msg569358 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569358/#msg569358)
Solarlab this is not the answer to the questions and your response is not in format described in my comment.
I was not asking about materials and its characteristic.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 30, 2022, 04:17:41 PM
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units.
Wesley
go and ask the inventor and stop getting us to answer your questions. We're building here
Quote from: Jimboot on July 30, 2022, 06:36:58 PM
go and ask the inventor and stop getting us to answer your questions. We're building here
I'm not asking you Jimboot .
Question was not directed to you nor Solarlab.
and you didn't provide any explanation to the subject in question.
derailing original statement of rakarskiy.
I formulated four points question based on his statementQuote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 12:21:01 PM
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. -
initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. -
energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the
initial energy used vs
energy at output in units.
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Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 30, 2022, 06:57:12 PM
I'm not asking you Jimboot .
Question was not directed to you nor Solarlab.
and you didn't provide any explanation to the subject in question.
derailing original statement of rakarskiy.
I formulated four points question based on his statementQuestion:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units.
»example of expected answer in given format is here:
Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg569366/#msg569366)
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Wesley
In a simpler form for you:
1. initial energy is "H" [amp-turn/length unit or Orsteds]
2. process is material B-H -- conversion is simply Faraday (et. al.) both ways
3. output energy is "B" [Tesla or Gauss]
4. initial energy "H" in amp-turn/cm (orsted) - output energy is "B" in Tesla (gauss)
Both quantities are 'Magnetic Energy' but use different names/nomenclature to distinguish between the two.
Once you understand B and H - H is the source and B is the resultant so to speak. Pretty simple actually, maybe too simple,
but not for most. More of a KISS thing.
How ever you decide to configure this Gain in your device is entirely up to you as your the designer. Coil/Lap turns, material, source
Voltage/Amps, pulse sequence, drivers, control processor, Rotor/Stator size/shape, etc.
A great deal of efficiency is also gained by the "floating magnetic field" (rotating or sliding). Again,
as the designer it's entirely up to you how that is deployed in your design. It's all there for your use.
Too simple - maybe, but not really! See the referenced book for details and formulas. See the EM CAE for proofs.
You still haven't answered my "base line setting" question:
HAVE YOU EVER USED ANY OF THE FULL 3D EM CAE TOOLS TO ANALYZE OR DESIGN ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICES?Without a simple, straight forward, answer I CAN NOT HELP YOU. Sorry!You will have to direct your comments and questions elsewhere. (no need - I already know the answer based on your questions)
Also NOTE:
NEW RULE - Wesley's RULES don't apply here!
Well, at first I supposed that this energy is taken from the virtual rotation of the field.
Because in a mechanical electric generator it is necessary to expend mechanical energy
to rotate the rotor. And here it goes, as if for free. There were even myself thoughts on
how to improve this process. But you ignored it. But now you are claiming that the excess
energy comes from amplification in the steel... All known transformers are made of steel.
But there is no OU in them.
Quote from: stivep on July 30, 2022, 04:17:41 PM
Question:
What the energy comes from.?
Please explain energy conversion process.
in this format:
1. - initial energy form and its source.
2. - in few words describe process of conversion
3. - energy form at OUTPUT of the device.
4. - please compare the initial energy used vs energy at output in units.
Wesley
[1 - the original form of energy and its source.]
You can't say better than a definition from higher physics: Energy (ancient Greek ἐνέργεια - action, activity, force, power) is a scalar physical quantity, which is a single measure of various forms of motion and interaction of matter, a measure of the force of the transition of the movement of matter from one form to another , with the aim of eliminating in time the real forms and types of matter in the Universe, in order to bring it to a state of rest. The introduction of the concept of energy is convenient because if a physical system is closed, then its energy is stored in this system for the time during which the system will be closed. This statement is called the law of conservation of energy.
From a fundamental point of view, energy is one of three (along with momentum and angular momentum) additive integrals of motion (i.e., quantities that are conserved in time) associated, according to Noether's theorem, with the homogeneity of time, i.e., the independence of the laws describing movement, from time to time.
(from my point of view, by the term Energy I mean a system of forces and velocities that are in a special state of potential difference, which tends to balance)
Energy source, too fundamental a term. For example, a magnet emits a magnetic field with no apparent source of input energy. The launch of a magnetic field in a piece of material that makes up a magnet is a powerful electromagnetic pulse (there is a system for launching a permanent magnet from a permanent magnet). With the existence of a magnet as a source of a magnetic field, there is no supply of an external electromagnetic pulse or an external magnetic field. Counter question: what is the source of the magnetic field of a permanent magnet? I believe that there is another non-material system that controls the "energies" of our "material world", recently this system is called the "torsion field", although the field here is an incorrect interpretation.
[2. - describe the transformation process in a few words]
One Speed breeds potential speed. Speed (for doing work) absorbs potential speed.
[3. is the form of energy at the OUTPUT of the device.]
Which one do you like: thermal, kinetic or electromagnetic - the other types are not interesting for OverUnity devices!
[4. - please compare the initial energy input with the output energy in units.]
Why reinvent the wheel, in physics there is a universal unit of measurement Joule. I prefer Watts as a unit of power.
To compare, you need to have accurate power data, at the input and output, for the same period of time.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 31, 2022, 12:54:10 AM
Well, at first I supposed that this energy is taken from the virtual rotation of the field.
Because in a mechanical electric generator it is necessary to expend mechanical energy
to rotate the rotor. And here it goes, as if for free. There were even myself thoughts on
how to improve this process. But you ignored it. But now you are claiming that the excess
energy comes from amplification in the steel... All known transformers are made of steel.
But there is no OU in them.
Correct, the amplification comes from the "steel." The B-H curve of the material (steel as you call it)
tells you how much amplification is theoretically available.
Note that the Holcomb devices are not transformers or motors or conventional generators. These
devices have little or nothing to do with Holcombs technology other than magnetics.
Study the losses in conventional transformers and generators and you will immediately realize
their inefficiencies are huge; that's why they are generally much less than 1.
As stated above - the "floating magnetic field" nearly eliminates these conventional inefficiencies.
There are several processes as explained in the technical details and patents. Read them.
This has been covered in this thread many times. Go back an read some of the stuff for comprehension.
"The wheels of this bus go round-and-round, round-and-round. The wheels of the bus go round-and-round!" What ever... If this is a hard concept for you to figure out - well, what ever.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 31, 2022, 12:54:10 AM
Well, at first I supposed that this energy is taken from the virtual rotation of the field.
Because in a mechanical electric generator it is necessary to expend mechanical energy
to rotate the rotor. And here it goes, as if for free. There were even myself thoughts on
how to improve this process. But you ignored it. But now you are claiming that the excess
energy comes from amplification in the steel... All known transformers are made of steel.
But there is no OU in them.
How does a TRANSFORMER work?
The second question is how does the GENERATOR work?
Why is the voltage regulation at the input of the transformer produced by the control of the voltage at the input to the primary winding?
How is the voltage regulation for the circuit, where the source is the phase of the generator with a field source from permanent magnets?
Solve a simple problem:
Determine the EMF of the generator phase to which a load of 1 kW is connected, while the voltage at the generator terminals is 220 volts.
QuoteHow is the voltage regulation for the circuit, where the source is the phase of the generator with a field source from permanent magnets?
In ordinary nohow. Only by changing the number of revolutions per minute.
But now they've probably come up with something to do it differently.
p.s. But none of you knows how a wind turbine generator works. :-[
But I know. 8) I was explained on the forum valvol. 8)
How is it that at different shaft revolutions it has the same frequency at the output.This generator does not have a rotor with permanent magnets, but has a three-phase winding, similar to that on my selsin. Which is powered by an inverter with a variable frequency. But this is offtopic.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 31, 2022, 02:50:44 AM
In ordinary nohow. Only by changing the number of revolutions per minute.
Then the generation frequency will change, let's say we need a name of 50 Hz.
PS
Quotep.s. But none of you knows how a wind turbine generator works. :-[
But I know. 8) I was explained on the forum valvol. 8)
Volodin is a very competent electrical engineer, but he can see that he cannot do such a simple task as a transgenerator. The standards of circuit solutions are to blame for everything.
I also did not understand everything right away, for this I needed wild altruism on a rake.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 31, 2022, 03:25:44 AM
Then the generation frequency will change,
Quite right. I just don't know this device. I don't know yet... ;)
Here is a video of a Blogger from Kharkov (Ukraine), a good video about a rotating field, if it helps you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSSIV-H58e4&t=3s
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 12:21:01 PM
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Друже, я тут не для того, щоб грати в ігри і створювати тобі дискомфорт.
Джимболт - 'низька амплітуда гармонійного продукту' .
Сoларлаб - поводиться як школяр, який сердиться на свого професора..
Україна – моя родинна кров, з батьківського коріння включаючи українське прізвище..
Я вивчав російську мову в США, але українська мова була поруч зі мною/навколо мене в дитинстві.
Моя зірка Давида , має міцну синю/жовту та білу/червону основу.
__________________________________________________________________________що стосуються даного предмета Я сформулював чотири пункти питань, мені була цікава відповідь,
що допомагає іншим краще зрозуміти, що ви особисто пишете. .
Я не намагаюся тут блищати.
Тож залиште свою гордість в стороні .. я критикую, не маючи наміру принизити вас, окрім як наполягати на прогресі
Тому, будь ласка, дайте відповідь на тему, про яку йде мова, в очікуваному форматі та однією з мов, які я можу зрозуміти.
Щоб краще зрозуміти, як сформулювати свої відповіді, я навів вам приклад
тут:
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Wesley
Quote from: stivep on July 31, 2022, 10:03:09 AM
Сoларлаб - поводиться як школяр, який сердиться на свого професора..
Сoларлаб - поводиться як школяр, який сердиться на свого професора..
((Solarlab - behaves like a schoolboy who is angry with his professor..))
If you are assuming you are the resident Professor, what eactly have you taught us here? More like - if you were one of my (solarlabs) students you would HAVE BEEN EXPELLED long ago for dissruption,
deception, trolling, not doing the required work and lying!
Quote from: e2matrix on July 29, 2022, 07:47:20 PM
Thanks for the link to this video. Good video except no sound. Anyone else get sound on it? Vimeo seems to have problems for some browsers.
Seeing all the extensive work they are putting into this project certainly lends credence to this being a real and valid free energy device.
Has anyone playing this video have sound? I haven't seen this question answered although I could have missed it but it seems to me that the video(s) were uploaded without sound.
I could be wrong but I have downloaded the video(s) and played them back on both Linux and Windows OS's using various players and browsers and none them have audio....
On the bright side there is plenty of information on those videos
without sound regarding the building process of the HES generators whether big or small, you can clearly see that the construction of these and all the electronics and scope shots are not your typical build as in a mix of "in hand wires" going into the 3 phase motionless rotor the "In Between core with heavier gauge wire then the outer core with bolted down laminations with a ton of smaller wires and
How many in hand wires on the coils and different pole arrangements compared to a normal generator!!! Wow, alot of work there. Can this make it to mass production? Seems pretty intensive.
Anywaysjust curious if anyone has sound on the video's.
Regards,Paul Gauthier
Quote from: stivep on July 31, 2022, 10:03:09 AM
Тому, будь ласка, дайте відповідь на тему, про яку йде мова, в очікуваному форматі та однією з мов, які я можу зрозуміти.
Щоб краще зрозуміти, як сформулювати свої відповіді, я навів вам приклад
тут:
Wesley
Я вважаю, що твої запитання я відповів! Питання в розумінні того, що я вклав у відповіді, лежить в освіті та розумінні сутності питань, що розглядаються. Я вважаю що наука, це пізнання та вдосконалення своїх знань.
Грати в твої ігри точно не буду.
I think I answered your questions! The question of understanding what I lay in the answers lies in education and understanding the essence of the issues under consideration. I believe that science is knowledge and improving one's knowledge.
I definitely won't be playing your games.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2022, 12:21:01 PM
Holcomb claims everything is true, I claim that it is exactly so!
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 01, 2022, 12:53:09 AM
I think I answered your questions!
Thank you for your response dear rakarskiy.
I assume you expected more precise questions.
1. What is the source of initial energy used by the Holcomb system/device ?
2. How that energy is extracted and converted to energy at output of Holcomb system/ device.?
3. Is initial energy used by Holcomb system/device higher than its output energy or reverse and why?
Please describe entire process starting from initial energy in the Holcomb system/device .
note: wording "Holcomb system/device" should be understood as system and/or device ._____________________________________________________________________________
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 31, 2022, 01:24:09 AM
question: what is the source of the magnetic field of a permanent magnet?
I believe that there is another non-material system that controls the "energies" of our "material world",
recently this system is called the "torsion field", although the field here is an incorrect interpretation.
One Speed breeds potential speed. Speed(for doing work) absorbs potential speed.
Answer:By USA Department of Energy - US Energy Administration Information
The spinning of the electrons around the nucleus of an atom creates a tiny
magnetic field.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/magnets-and-electricity.php (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/magnets-and-electricity.php)
Permanent magnets do have potential energy, stored in their magnetic field.
That energy can be compared to the potential energy of some compressed spring.
Once "spring" is released you need
to do work to reload it. ( - repositioning the magnets, back)
https://physics.
(https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/69400/does-a-magnet-contain-and-potentially-produce-energy#:~:text=Permanent%20magnets%20do%20have%20potential%20energy%2C%20stored%20in,magnetic%20field%20lines%20of%20a%20magnetized%20sphere%20%3A)and that is why "permanent magnet motor" stops sooner or later.
note: "permanent magnet motor" should be understood as no external energy rotating device
magnetic force
does not do work.!!!!
Some Russians may also try to understand a very interesting and helpful explanation for American kids - high schoolers
( link below )- and by that it should be also easy for some audience here I assume.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/ (https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=17176#:~:text=When%20all%20the%20magnetism%20comes%20from%20classical%20currents%2C,electric%20fields%20that%20do%20work%20on%20the%20currents.)
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 31, 2022, 01:24:09 AM
Which one do you like: // for OverUnity devices!
Please provide any scientifically recognized literature conforming that Overunity devices exists and its examples.
Wesley
stivep
Quote1. What is the source of initial energy used by the Holcomb system/device ?
2. How that energy is extracted and converted to energy at output of Holcomb system/ device.?
3. Is initial energy used by Holcomb system/device higher than its output energy or reverse and why?
This is a common misconception but energy is not something it is a condition of something and the condition is motion.
For example, if we had ten cubic meters of hydrogen gas some might say it only has X energy as heat when we burn it. However this is not the total available energy due to the external conditions. We could use the lighter than air hydrogen gas to lift a mass 30 km from the ground, burn the hydrogen retaining the heat in the mass, then generate even more heat from a propeller driven friction device as it falls all the way back to the ground. Thus the total energy is the heat of combustion stored in the mass and the heat generated by the work in falling 30 km.
Which begs the question... where did the supposedly extra energy come from?.
There is no extra energy per say and we simply utilized more of the potential ways in which we could transform more energy within the open system. You see most pretend everything operates in closed systems however as I have just shown this is not the case. Since energy is a condition as motion in an open system we should look beyond simple conversions.
Thus what your asking is a loaded question with a presumption built into it. Your fallacy was that you implied the initial energy was the only energy present in a closed system to be converted into the resulting energy. We know this is not true because Holcomb has claimed his device generates extra energy from another energy source relating to the steel cores and electron spin.
Regards
AC
@AC
I find your analysis and suggests interesting. . . . To take it one small step further is that in your hypothetical example of using the "hydrogen gas" to lift a mass to 30 km is that at that altitude the gas SHOULD be fairly pressurized so perhaps releasing that pressure through a turbine as it is burnt would harvest even abit MORE energy. . .
Quote from: stivep on August 01, 2022, 09:41:23 AM
Thank you for your response dear rakarskiy.
I assume you expected more precise questions.
1. What is the source of initial energy used by the Holcomb system/device ?
2. How that energy is extracted and converted to energy at output of Holcomb system/ device.?
3. Is initial energy used by Holcomb system/device higher than its output energy or reverse and why?
Please describe entire process starting from initial energy in the Holcomb system/device .
note: wording "Holcomb system/device" should be understood as system and/or device .
_____________________________________________________________________________
Answer:
By USA Department of Energy - US Energy Administration Information
The spinning of the electrons around the nucleus of an atom creates a tiny magnetic field.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/magnets-and-electricity.php (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/magnets-and-electricity.php)
Permanent magnets do have potential energy, stored in their magnetic field.
That energy can be compared to the potential energy of some compressed spring.
Once "spring" is released you need to do work to reload it. ( - repositioning the magnets, back)
https://physics.
(https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/69400/does-a-magnet-contain-and-potentially-produce-energy#:~:text=Permanent%20magnets%20do%20have%20potential%20energy%2C%20stored%20in,magnetic%20field%20lines%20of%20a%20magnetized%20sphere%20%3A)and that is why "permanent magnet motor" stops sooner or later.
note: "permanent magnet motor" should be understood as no external energy rotating device
magnetic force does not do work.!!!!
Some Russians may also try to understand a very interesting and helpful explanation for American kids - high schoolers ( link below )
- and by that it should be also easy for some audience here I assume.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/ (https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=17176#:~:text=When%20all%20the%20magnetism%20comes%20from%20classical%20currents%2C,electric%20fields%20that%20do%20work%20on%20the%20currents.)
Please provide any scientifically recognized literature conforming that Overunity devices exists and its examples.
Wesley
stivep,
Some great research (web snippets) - however:
Quote from: onepower on August 01, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
Holcomb has claimed his device generates extra energy from another energy source relating to the "steel cores and electron spin process"
Regards
AC
Utilization of given
fixed amount of energy available from the source even in the most efficient way, sooner or later dissipates all of it.
example: car gasoline tank, will at some point be empty.
Can you explain, the
"steel cores and electron spin process" in Holcomb device, e.g based on their patent, (if there is any patent explaining it)
Please provide me with Holcomb patent number explaining this process.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 01, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Utilization of given fixed amount of energy available from the source even in the most efficient way, sooner or later dissipates all of it.
example: car gasoline tank, will at some point be empty.
Can you explain, the "steel cores and electron spin process" in Holcomb device, e.g based on their patent, (if there is any patent explaining it)
Please provide me with Holcomb patent number explaining this process.
Wesley
All explained in this video: https://holcombenergysystems.com/video/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/video/) (including the "electron spin" source 'proof discovery' information)
bottom video on the page "The HES Mechanism" [there's also a long and a short version - view both if need be]
Please direct any further questions regarding this technology and how it works to Dr. Holcomb himself or his in-house staff.
You may also contact the group that 'imaged the magnetic process' (this information is found in the video).Thanks.
Patents and other information are found here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99432#msg99432 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99432#msg99432)
Hi All,
The same question of how can there be more output than input for electrical generation to occur in the Holcomb system.
There has been many good examples and graphs of how the electrical steel works.
This is the way I see how the Holcomb Systems are valid OU systems.
I have added three sketches that hopefully will help to see how electrical energy is generated.
It is not a matter of electrons increasing because it is a mechanical to electrical conversion of the process.
So the operation of the generator in the area of the electrical steel graph produces more electrical
energy than the mechanical energy used in the electrical steel.
Drawing One:
Now if a person has a hand crank that he is turning a small generator, the generator can power a light bulb that generates photons that lights up the room for as long as the man is turning the crank. Where does the electrical energy come from? Do the magnets in the generator supply the electrical energy that can be produced forever in this system? Does the copper wire have enough electrons in it to operate the system forever? Does the arm of the man have the electron flow that will operate the system forever?
The hydro dan has water performing the torque to turn the electric generators. Do the electrons come from the water?
Both in the hand cranked generator and the hydro dam generates the electrons in the output of the generator the same way.
Asking the free energy people where the electrons come from for their generators when the person asking the question does not have a good idea where the electrical power comes from for today's electrical power generation. This is not a fair question to ask them, as I see it, because we all use devices that we do not have a full functional understanding of how they work. But I will try to explain it anyway for you. I want to tell you the theory of how and where the energies that operate my generator come from and how they are used in the generator.
There are two energies used in the Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator. The power of flux from the permanent magnet is the torque that pushes the electrons down the wire of the generator. The other is the "zero-point energy" that backfills the wire with electrical energy so that it can later be pushed to the load and used in the circuits load. Remember that this open system energy can have other names to it.
The generators energy comes from the atomic level where the atom has electrons moving all the time in them. For as long as atoms have existed, electrons have been moving in them. As long as the atoms exist, electron movement will occur. So, this new technology is a way to use this energy in a way that can produce electrical energy that can be used in unlimited devices. To do this in a practical way, we need to have this action in a larger scale that makes it easier to access. This is done by making devices that cause the electrons to move in the same direction. This is done in producing permanent magnets and electromagnets. The rare earth permanent magnets today will last longer than a lifetime if handled properly. When a magnetic field moves by a conductive metal, an electric current is developed in the metal. That metal can be shaped into a device like a coil of wire to better utilize that current flow so that it can perform work.
Drawing Two:
This drawing helps me to understand how a generator takes power out of the zero-point energy and places it into a wire. One could argue that it is not zero-point energy but static charges placed into the wire. Either way, it is an open-source system. Either way, it does not matter where the open-source energy comes from as long as the output electrical energy is larger than the input energy producing an over unity generator. The open-source energy may make a difference whether the generator can be used in space or not. For now, I am only interested in it working on earth where people live and work.
The next generator drawing does a better job of showing the zero-point energy being everywhere. It makes more sense than seeing electrical energy coming from an arm in a hand crank generator or from water in a hydro-dam.
Drawing Three:
This drawing is another way of looking at how zero-point energy functions in electric generators. As flux moves across wires, electrical energy is fed to the load. The zero-point energy that is all around us, backfills into the copper wire at the speed of light. The input power needed to operate a generator is used to move the flux across the wires. It then goes to the load in order to perform work.
Now zero-point energy or any of the other names given to it has been talked about for thousands of years as an energy all around us. It has only been the last few hundred years that it has been ignored because most of the instrumentation for electrical and magnetic forces do not detect zero-point energy. So many people thought it was fiction. But to my understanding, today there have been tests done in laboratories that prove that there is zero-point energy all around us everywhere. So now that we know that energy is there, we can understand how generators get their energy from now. When the permanent magnets in the generator is moving the electrons through the copper wire in the generator, the void of electrons in the copper wires are quickly replaced from this energy source. So, our electrical energy always has been coming from this zero-point energy source. So, I am not using an energy source that we have not been using for years already. This new technology is a way to get larger electron movement from a smaller electron movement. Now there are currently transistors, FETs, vacuum tubes, and other devices that already control larger electron flow with smaller electron movements. What I am doing different is that I use the smaller electrical energy to create a magnetic field that controls flow of several magnetic flux flows. When you add up all these flux flows that are being changed, it is a lot more than the magnetic field that caused them. These changed flows are then routed through coils that generate electrical energy. The collective electrical energy is much greater than the electrical energy to power the switching electromagnet in the generator. You can use a small percentage of the electrical energy to drive one switching coil and that action will cause electrical energy generation that is several times that control energy. That additional energy can be used to supply energy to several other devices. This is an open over-unity system. This is an open free-energy system. This is a self-running system. The following two drawings are designed to make it easier to understand how the two modes of the new technology operate.
A closer look at the energy that is all around us that has many names to it is a very interesting study. What is so amazing is not only is it unseen but conventional electrical engineering equipment cannot be used to measure it. There are several non-conventional devices that access this energy as an open-source system. After researching many papers on this energy, I have a lot more confidence in this open-source energy generator design.
Interesting waveform observations on Holcomb's machine. I categorize them as shown on the slide. The second slide is current waveforms on electromagnets with different inductance of the smoothing choke in my installation.
Quote from: stivep on August 01, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Utilization of given fixed amount of energy available from the source even in the most efficient way, sooner or later dissipates all of it.
example: car gasoline tank, will at some point be empty.
Can you explain, the "steel cores and electron spin process" in Holcomb device, e.g based on their patent, (if there is any patent explaining it)
Please provide me with Holcomb patent number explaining this process.
Wesley
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569063/#msg569063 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569063/#msg569063)
trueresearch
QuoteI find your analysis and suggests interesting. . . . To take it one small step further is that in your hypothetical
example of using the "hydrogen gas" to lift a mass to 30 km is that at that altitude the gas SHOULD be fairly
pressurized so perhaps releasing that pressure through a turbine as it is burnt would harvest even abit MORE energy. . .
Indeed, the more we look at a problem with an open mind and consider all the possible external
conditions involved the more practical solutions we can find.
I believe it was Faraday who came up with the notion of lines of force and closed systems.
However as Faraday implied this was only so we can simplify the extraordinary number of calculations
involved and was never meant to be taken literally. However many did take what was said literally and
made the mistake in thinking all systems are closed when in fact none are.
For example, all material stuff including us is under a magnetic influence in some way because they
are immersed in Earths magnetic field. We can pretend it doesn't exist or matter but in fact it does
exist as a matter of fact. We and everything we know on Earth are immersed in electric and magnetic
fields as well as cosmic radiation and high energy particles traveling through the Earth as if it wasn't
even there. These are the fact we know and it only gets stranger from there, lol.
Regards
AC
I just fried 3 PLC output I/O in the SLC.
Looking to install an IGBT driver photocoupler.
I hope next week I can start to test.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 01, 2022, 02:56:04 PM
Interesting waveform observations on Holcomb's machine.
I categorize them as shown on the slide. The second slide is current waveforms on electromagnets with different inductance of the smoothing choke in my installation.
Thank you for your pictures.
You still didn't respond to :Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
(https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569433/#msg569433) «
Reply #1169 on: Today at 03:41:23 PM »
Should I understand that you don't know the answer to this set of question ?
Wesley
Quote from: Lunkster on August 01, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
This is the way I see how the Holcomb Systems are valid OU systems.
There is no OU device, and never was, Please provide any scientifically recognized literature conforming that Overunity devices exists and its examples.
Quote from: Lunkster on August 01, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator.
Please provide any scientifically recognized literature describing
"Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator." its processes and its function.
Quote from: Lunkster on August 01, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
The other is the "zero-point energy" that backfills the wire with electrical energy
Please explain from physics standpoint how Zero point energy
backfills the wire with electrical energy
based on description here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy)
Dictionary:
"backfill" 1. To refill (an excavated area) with such material.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/backfills (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/backfills)
Wesley
Ps: talking about Zero Point energy.
Below you have my lab testing chamber at 4K ( Kelvin)
Tested to much below that 1.6 Kelvin
So much P A N I C :'(
Who would have ever thought! :)
::)
Received below response from DNV on the message I send if they can confirm if the DNV certificate is genuine (forwarded the DNV as an attachment in reponse but as yet received no further reply)
From: White, Lisa
Sent: 01 August 2022 16:45
To: xxxx@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: CONTACT VIA WEBSITE - Business Assurance
Good Morning Andre:
I hope you had a wonderful weekend. I went into our system and put Holcomb Scientific Research Ltd. to locate the certificate but was not able to pull it up. Do you have the certificate number? Address to the Headquarters?
Lisa White
Client Experience Coordinator
Western Territory
USA & Canada
DNV – Business Assurance
Direct 281-396-1409
Cell -346-550-2490
www.dnvcert.com
Please note that my email address has changed to Lisa.White@dnv.com
From: DNV, Verifications <verifications@dnv.com>
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 4:42 AM
To: White, Lisa <Lisa.White@dnv.com>
Subject: FW: CONTACT VIA WEBSITE - Business Assurance
Goodmorning Lisa,
See message below, can you contact/respond to Andre XXXX?
In addition I found below link with access to various files from Holcomb
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/
Of particular interest maybe the 2 versions of the DNV Verification Statement which are filed under 2019/08 and 2020/08
Hi,
I am currently working on a prototype build of the
"Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator"
I have only built one of the 16 fins that will go into the generator.
I currently have six of the eight pickup coils outputting electrical signal
from one switching coil. It currently is not OU.
But, I have several modifications to make to the prototype.
I have only been testing it at 60 Hz. I believe I will have to operate
it at a higher frequency.
But I believe that the chain reaction that I show in the attached file
is a new way of utilizing the power of permanent magnets into
an OU generator. Until I finish the prototype and feed part of the
output into the input of the generator so that it is self-running, I have nothing!
In the mean time Holcomb's devices is the best OU devices we have going.
Lunkster
Quote from: stivep on August 01, 2022, 05:23:35 PM
There is no OU device, and never was,
"The Wrights have flown or they have not flown. They possess a machine or they do not possess one. They are in fact either fliers or liars. It is difficult to fly. It's easy to say, 'We have flown'."
Welcome to OverUnity.comThe International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum
Here we discuss the impossible, if you don't believe in the impossible, why are you here?
"Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible." Albert Einstein
Novus,
Thanks for the info and link. Check out the "video" folder - there's one 2.6GB mp4 video
"presentation-for-web" where, amongst other things, Ellen discusses the certifications.
QuoteOnePower said...
Thus the total energy is the heat of combustion stored in the mass and the heat generated by the work in falling 30 km.
Which begs the question... where did the supposedly extra energy come from?.
This analogy ignores the potential energy given to the gas in its capture and storage. Lighter than air gas requires energy input to keep it at ground level, while we do not specifically think of giving the gas energy by creating it and storing it at ground level, in fact we are doing so as a side effect of the production and storage of a lighter than air gas.
QuoteTrueSearch said...
@AC
I find your analysis and suggests interesting. . . . To take it one small step further is that in your hypothetical example of using the "hydrogen gas" to lift a mass to 30 km is that at that altitude the gas SHOULD be fairly pressurized so perhaps releasing that pressure through a turbine as it is burnt would harvest even abit MORE energy. . .
For exactly the same reason as above, the pressure in the gas did not magically appear (it is actually less at altitude assuming some expansion of the container) the "extra" energy came from the process to capture and store the gas under pressure. The pumps used to move the gas into the storage container gave it the energy you are thinking of as free energy.
On to the hyperbolic claims of Holcomb:
I watched the claims of Holcomb of having a four to one no five to one (it changed mid sentence) energy in, to energy out. This does not make any sense.
For starters electrical steel is not an accident of nature, this material is the culmination of many years of research and design, you would think along the way some one would have noticed a COP of > than 1.
So assuming all these engineers and scientists are just dumb and missed this significant fact (or deliberately hid it) how does this claim stack up?
For starters domains are not neatly ordered in a 50/50 arrangement such that they neatly cancel out, No they are randomly ordered resulting in canceling of any magnetic moment. But lets assume a neat arrangement of domains 50% of domains pointing in the "wrong" direction, we input enough energy to rotate those domains 180' so they all align into one direction. That requires at a minimum 50% of the magnetic field strength as input. At its absolute best its a 2 to 1 ratio, not 4 or 5 to one as claimed.
The above ignores the energy lost while trying to re-orientate the domains they resist re-alignment so you actually need to put more energy in than you can get out. The result is actually less than a 2 to 1 ratio. The missing energy is lost as heat.
Now consider that most domains are ordered in a random fashion, only a small percentage are already aligned in the direction you want. Therefore the input energy needs to re-orientate much more than 50% of the domains, albeit some less than others, so on average it should be about 50% however you now have the added losses of trying to re-orientate not 50% of the domains but 80% - 90% of the domains, this adds to the overall efficiency losses.
The above shows that even assuming the best case scenario (where we ignore losses in the copper windings, the introduction of air gaps because no winding is perfect or even close to it, and probably a dozen more sources of loss I am not even aware of) it takes more than 50% of the energy input to magnetise the electrical steel in the required orientation. Even a 2 to 1 ratio is impossible.
But this is not the end of it. Sadly, otherwise we would still have overunity.
All electric motors are imperfect devices. The reason is, they all operate using shear forces. That is the fields need to pull or push sideways to move the stator (i.e give it torque). If you are not familiar with shear forces in magnets and you happen to have two identical magnets nearby, put them together with say a thin piece of cardboard between them (like a business card) this simulates the air gap between the stator and the rotor, now try to pull them apart, it requires a certain amount of energy to pull them apart. Now put them back together again and try to slide them sideways off each other. It requires far less energy. That is because you are "shearing" the magnetic fields.
This is the way all electric motors work, the force used to rotate the rotor is a shear force and it requires, or in the case of an electric motor, 'creates' a torque that is much smaller then the magnetic field strength. Thus the motor cannot by design create more than 50% output force than input energy.
But "Ah Ha" you say, well designed electric motors are around 90% efficient, therefore what you are saying above seems to say that is impossible. And we know its not!
Well perhaps those much maligned engineers and scientists did understand that the re-alignment of magnetic fields only requires around 50% of the energy input to gain 100% re-alignment and factoring in losses a well designed electric motor can get greater than 90% efficiency.
Just my 2c
Oh and in case you didn't know it, I am not anti overunity as per my other thread in the raising capital topic. I just think time and energy shouldn't be wasted on false claims.
Quote from: Novus on August 01, 2022, 06:00:47 PM
In addition I found below link with access to various files from Holcomb
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/
Of particular interest maybe the 2 versions of the DNV Verification Statement which are filed under 2019/08 and 2020/08
@Novus - Thank you for this tremendous find! The
DNV Verification Statement (attached from your link) should be of extraordinary interest to everyone on this thread. Patent application WO2021063522A1 references this DNV verification on page 65 and thus likely describes the generator configuration used in the DNV tests. That configuration was stationary "rotor" / stator / stator / stationary "rotor."
Per recent HES posts their current generators consist of only two stators and run solely on AC. I have not found their current configuration described in any patent searches. If anyone has, please post.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 01, 2022, 08:08:03 PM
Just my 2c
Oh and in case you didn't know it,
no and don't need to.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 01, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
no and don't need to.
Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful response.
@CuriousChris
You have really figured it out.
Solid state, no torque.
And do you know what permeability is?
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A ink and a biref comment would siffice, we've all seen these. Thanks!
Quote from: Feb2006 on August 01, 2022, 11:00:15 PM
@CuriousChris
You have really figured it out.
Solid state, no torque.
And do you know what permeability is?
Solid State, No Torque? Do you know what torque is? I suggest you read up on it. Its a motor it spins therefore by definition it has torque and is NOT solid state.
Permeability is (mostly) unrelated to the claims made by Holcomb. Its more accurate to say Holcomb is talking about susceptibility in his video, I suggest you read up on that as well.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 02, 2022, 02:03:27 AM
Permeability is (mostly) unrelated to the claims made by Holcomb. Its more accurate to say Holcomb is talking about susceptibility in his video, I suggest you read up on that as well.
A bold statement, but I will disappoint you, it is wrong. Permeability is the magnetic resistance factor for a magnetic circuit. This factor is not constant, it always changes with the magnetic saturation of the magnetic circuit. Magnetic saturation is the actual magnetic field of the core. With a full magnetic field of the core, the magnetic permeability is negligible, and the field is maximum, based on the conditions of the magnetic circuit.
Holcomb says to be understood that there are no miracles in his design, but there is an engineering solution.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 02, 2022, 03:20:45 AM
Permeability is the magnetic resistance factor for a magnetic circuit.
Yes it is, but in the video I watched Holcomb is not talking about permeability. He is talking about how easy it is to magnetise the electrical steel (align the domains in the same direction) in an external field. That is called susceptibility.
From Wikipedia...
QuoteIn electromagnetism, the magnetic susceptibility (Latin: susceptibilis, "receptive"; denoted χ) is a measure of how much a material will become magnetized in an applied magnetic field. It is the ratio of magnetization M (magnetic moment per unit volume) to the applied magnetizing field intensity H.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 12:02:48 AM
A ink and a biref comment would siffice, we've all seen these. Thanks!
Sorry, they were deleted.
@nightlife
The photo's you showed were simply that of the stator of a synchronous motor.
I have attached an image from google images of the stator of a synchronous motor. notice the similarity?
This guy is a con, like so many before him.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 02, 2022, 02:03:27 AM
Solid State, No Torque? Do you know what torque is? I suggest you read up on it. Its a motor it spins therefore by definition it has torque and is NOT solid state.
Permeability is (mostly) unrelated to the claims made by Holcomb. Its more accurate to say Holcomb is talking about susceptibility in his video, I suggest you read up on that as well.
Remember that your goal is not to make the close-minded person agree with you;
it's to make yourself stay calm and sane while dealing with them.
@SolarLab
QuoteThanks for the info and link. Check out the "video" folder - there's one 2.6GB mp4 video
"presentation-for-web" where, amongst other things, Ellen discusses the certifications.
No mention of the DNV certification. I like the one from Rexel Mader Motor & Control at 14.53;
'On each test only 0.25kW was required to produce the same 1kW of power to the load bank'
[in italics] this was a significant improvement in efficiency in power generation. ;)
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/videos/presentation-for-web.mp4
What is the difference between "sidewalk level" - lying on the street flyer, posing as technical value
and
lie-flat, - low-desire life of maybe, possibly or likely some uneducated or artificially motivated contributors ?
(-joke)
Wesley
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 02, 2022, 03:46:51 AM
@nightlife
The photo's you showed were simply that of the stator of a synchronous motor.
I have attached an image from google images of the stator of a synchronous motor. notice the similarity?
This guy is a con, like so many before him.
That's what I thought too but if it was to actually work, the trick would be the solid state rotor. It looks like they have created a flowing electronic field that rotates around the rotor. I just can't see how they get more power out then what it takes to create the field. Especially without magnets. I would assume they are pulsing and collecting the collapsing field and the current created. They could be recovering 25% of the pulse created from the collapsing field and I return creating a current but I just can't see them creating a current that is 3x greater then the current supplied.
It is creating a rotating resonance that could be pulling energy from the stater coils. Nothing is solid and if you can see it, hear it, feel it, taste it or smell it, it is a vibrant energy that can be harnessed in some way. That alone makes this theory possible and worthy of testing.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 02, 2022, 08:01:29 AM
https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/videos/presentation-for-web.mp4 (https://holcombenergysystems.com/wp-content/uploads/videos/presentation-for-web.mp4)
Great, the search for OU is over.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 02, 2022, 03:46:51 AM
This guy is a con, like so many before him.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 01, 2022, 05:24:12 AM
For years I have lurked here // to call out bullshit claims.
Thank you my friend.
I respect everyone despite their education, interest and other futures.
But I may simply disagree with them or have different opinion about subject matter.
A Physicist can quickly spot individual (
evolving to group) exposure of the getting their technicality "naked"
, showing itself to the public .
Challenging the few who are at potentially acceptable level, here, made them
quickly stripping down to their, technical knowledge "underwear" often reviling not much of value at intended direction there.
Everyone using nonsense like "OU" may be among the group of cheap uneducated puppets dancing in his own weirdness, or as a puppet-actor in someone else comedy drama theater.
(- joke)
So for example: rakarskiy
He is definitely worth your time, Chris.
He believes that Holcomb device is real .
( well nothing wrong in it)- rakarskiy doesn't want to be humiliated by responding to fundamental questions
asked by a physicist , and criticizing nonsense around him is
not in his interest.For me 90% of the comments here is waste of your time.
Highly likely some bad comedy played by.. ?
-think about :
who or
what, activates cook, painter, car mechanic or Rashist - illusionist to write about Holcomb ?
note: opinion expressed is my own.
:)
Wesley.
Quote from: stivep on August 02, 2022, 09:02:14 AM
What is the difference between "sidewalk level" - lying on the street flyer, posing as technical value
and
lie-flat, - low-desire life of some uneducated or artificially motivated contributors ?
Wesley
a gatekeeper doesn't know what a poser hasn't revealed.
Quote from: nightlife on August 02, 2022, 09:19:08 AM
It looks like they have created a flowing electronic field that rotates around the rotor. I just can't see how they get more power out then what it takes to create the field.
Some of you stated earlier here that as the load increases, the current drawn by the stator does not increase. after their experiments. In my experiment, I observe the same thing.
Another rotor was found, which is inserted into the stator very tightly, without a gap.
Definitely, I'm lucky in this regard. :)
Quotea gatekeeper doesn't know what a poser hasn't revealed.
And I don't know either. Unfortunately. So the best way is to do it yourself.
Another succes, great work kolbacict.
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MID WEEK SUMMARY - EXCESS ENERGY DEVICES (02 August 2022)
An abundance of factual evidence has been gathered and presented over the last several months,
including scientific, technical, credible evaluations, simulations and first hand eye witness accounts
that concludes, beyond any doubt, EXCESS ENERGY devices exist and have been constructed.
One such device employs the HES methods and techniques in a variety of forms.
Because the principles of operation are relatively simple, fabricating devices that yield EXCESS ENERGY
can be straight forward and in many cases somewhat easy for a person with moderate electrical and
electronic engineering and mechanical skills. This may also be an excellent motivator to brush up old
skills or acquire new ones.
So, the next logical phase of development is the DESIGN and BUILD!
Note that, as far as I know (until proven by valid documentation to the contrary) current patent law
in nearly all countries allow constructing patented devices for educational or personal use as long as
these devices are not sold for profit.
We are fortunate to be a part of, and witness to, such a monumental achievment in histroy. The noise
will soon pass and this new dawn will become but a distant memory!
SL
OK, but if the increase in load does not cause a response on the consumption of stator,
So you can multiply the speed of rotation of the field at times.
With the help of a magnetic gearbox, which has long been known and used in technology.
Thus, expecting an increase in output power. It was my thought. I already voiced it, but for some reason everyone ignored it ...
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 12:51:16 PM
So, the next logical phase of development is the DESIGN and BUILD!
Note that, as far as I know (until proven by valid documentation to the contrary) current patent law
in nearly all countries allow constructing patented devices for educational or personal use as long as
these devices are not sold for profit.
We are fortunate to be a part of, and witness to, such a monumental achievment in histroy. The noise
will soon pass and this new dawn will become but a distant memory!
SL
Good luck to you! Be prepared for the fact that you will have to return to the original, I have done this many times, and called it "altruism on a rake."
I have everything according to plan, only I went much further than Holcomb. My designs don't look like traditional generators like Holcomb's.
Here on Figuera or a number of interesting patents are very similar.
I'll even say more, there will be a chapter in the book on how to design a synchronous generator in which the rotor will not see the magnetic field that the phase current excites. By design, it is possible that he will only have an idle reaction.
All this is just a decision of the correct design, and not the new postulates of physics. To do this, you just had to figure out what electromagnetic induction from an external magnetic field is.
And what effect Holcomb used, perhaps I know, in any case, this indicates the asymmetry and shift of the groove tips.
Once again good luck.
Quote from: CuriousChris on August 02, 2022, 03:46:51 AM
@nightlife
The photo's you showed were simply that of the stator of a synchronous motor.
I have attached an image from google images of the stator of a synchronous motor. notice the similarity?
This guy is a con, like so many before him.
you are contributing nothing so my responses reflect that. You don't want to build it, fine with me. No need to expand on your decision making in this thread.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 02, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
Good luck to you! Be prepared for the fact that you will have to return to the original, I have done this many times, and called it "altruism on a rake."
I have everything according to plan, only I went much further than Holcomb. My designs don't look like traditional generators like Holcomb's.
Here on Figuera or a number of interesting patents are very similar.
I'll even say more, there will be a chapter in the book on how to design a synchronous generator in which the rotor will not see the magnetic field that the phase current excites. By design, it is possible that he will only have an idle reaction.
All this is just a decision of the correct design, and not the new postulates of physics. To do this, you just had to figure out what electromagnetic induction from an external magnetic field is.
And what effect Holcomb used, perhaps I know, in any case, this indicates the asymmetry and shift of the groove tips.
Once again good luck.
rakarskiy,
Thanks for the good wishes. Looking forward to reading your book.
Since the design approach here is pretty much based on end-to-end CAD CAM EM-CAE, the various approaches
and configurations are varified before ever leaving the computer network. By the time the G-Code for milling and
winding reaches the CNC fab shop there's an excellent chance the device will work as expected and is easily fabricated.
Tasks that are somewhat difficult only involve magnetic material selection and procurement versus costs. Off-the-shelf
items such as wire, housings, hardware cables, recepticals and good quality inverters still seem available with
reasonable lead times and costs.
The various designs are straight forward but CAE analysis can involve long processing times - up to a week or more.
Of great assistance however is the fact that the design is in digital form which is easily modified, as required, while
allowing very easy parameter changes and subsequent comparisons. Reaching the optimum configuration is
accomplished internally by the software. Another bonus is when the design is complete so is all the documentation.
Software development is similar. Using an ST Microsystems Development Board and STM32CUBE toolset combined
with Matrix Flowcode8 (a flow chart type of microprocessor machine code or "C" programming scheme) provides a
very easy way to write the pulser sequence firmware, and change it if needed. Including the system performance
monitors, LCD GUI and control panel.
A major drawback is you get playing with these devices and it just keeps going and going - the old saying "If you
want to get a product onto the shipping dock and out the door, you'll have to shoot the engineer."
When time permits, hope to look into other schemes such as Figuera. Did Ruslan's device but still no work around
for the instability caused by the variations in the earth's electric field or something to that nature.
SL
Please find below E mail from DNV confirming that the Verfication Statement is valid
Hello Mr. XXXX,
The email request that you sent to Lisa was forwarded to me to handle.
The verification statement No. N141VC7H Rev. 01 was confirmed as the same deliverable in DNV's production system and it is valid. As indicated, the verification statement only states that the test was conducted as documented by HES-000-2 was witnessed by DNV as an independent 3rd party, and the results were as documented. It does not indicate that the products were subjected to or found to conform to DNV classification requirements.
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Novus,
Thanks for checking this out and following up. IMHO, quite important information,
plus it should clear up any questions.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 06:08:13 PM
rakarskiy,
Thanks for the good wishes. Looking forward to reading your book.
Since the design approach here is pretty much based on end-to-end CAD CAM EM-CAE, the various approaches
and configurations are varified before ever leaving the computer network. By the time the G-Code for milling and
winding reaches the CNC fab shop there's an excellent chance the device will work as expected and is easily fabricated.
Tasks that are somewhat difficult only involve magnetic material selection and procurement versus costs. Off-the-shelf
items such as wire, housings, hardware cables, recepticals and good quality inverters still seem available with
reasonable lead times and costs.
The various designs are straight forward but CAE analysis can involve long processing times - up to a week or more.
Of great assistance however is the fact that the design is in digital form which is easily modified, as required, while
allowing very easy parameter changes and subsequent comparisons. Reaching the optimum configuration is
accomplished internally by the software. Another bonus is when the design is complete so is all the documentation.
Software development is similar. Using an ST Microsystems Development Board and STM32CUBE toolset combined
with Matrix Flowcode8 (a flow chart type of microprocessor machine code or "C" programming scheme) provides a
very easy way to write the pulser sequence firmware, and change it if needed. Including the system performance
monitors, LCD GUI and control panel.
A major drawback is you get playing with these devices and it just keeps going and going - the old saying "If you
want to get a product onto the shipping dock and out the door, you'll have to shoot the engineer."
When time permits, hope to look into other schemes such as Figuera. Did Ruslan's device but still no work around
for the instability caused by the variations in the earth's electric field or something to that nature.
SL
What are you milling I thought we'd have to get stamped out electrical steel. I'm looking for local suppliers.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 06:29:38 PM
Novus,
Thanks for checking this out and following up. IMHO, quite important information,
plus it should clear up any questions.
SL
@ Novus - Big ditto. Thank you indeed for this!
Quote from: Jimboot on August 02, 2022, 06:53:11 PM
What are you milling I thought we'd have to get stamped out electrical steel. I'm looking for local suppliers.
Jimboot,
A real short answer - I'm not a materials guy by any stretch nor a seasoned motor/generator
builder - but from my limited knowledge there might not be a need for laminations other than
convience (machining a motor rotor or stator structure might be a bit of a task, even for CNC).
Losses from laminations appear to be greater than for any eddy current losses in
a flat type structure (heat dissipation is abundant re surface area) and using staggered pulses
seems to distribute the eddy current effects. Eddy effects cause heat from current formed by
magnetic fields in the metal. High resistance metals (such as modern silicone steel) reduce this
current.
Also, the cnc mill is used to lay/form the windings, especially the lap coil as well as cut slots in
the pure/soft 3/8" iron plates (rotor/stator). Hedging here a bit in an attempt to avoid the flame
wars from the resident, so-called, experts! :o
Still very much a "work in progress."
SL
Stick with laminations.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 09:47:35 PM
Jimboot,
A real short answer - I'm not a materials guy by any stretch nor a seasoned motor/generator
builder - but from my limited knowledge there might not be a need for laminations other than
convience (machining a motor rotor or stator structure might be a bit of a task, even for CNC).
Losses from laminations appear to be greater than for any eddy current losses in
a flat type structure (heat dissipation is abundant re surface area) and using staggered pulses
seems to distribute the eddy current effects. Eddy effects cause heat from current formed by
magnetic fields in the metal. High resistance metals (such as modern silicone steel) reduce this
current.
Also, the cnc mill is used to lay/form the windings, especially the lap coil as well as cut slots in
the pure/soft 3/8" iron plates (rotor/stator). Hedging here a bit in an attempt to avoid the flame
wars from the resident, so-called, experts! :o
Still very much a "work in progress."
SL
Thanks for the clrification, Milling sounds like an easier route than building a laminated rotor / stator. I thought reluctance & permeability may have been an issue. I've looked at 3D printing in iron then sintering. I'm even considering steel shot in epoxy but I'm still hunting for a more suitable rotor for my existing gen stator.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 02, 2022, 10:01:39 PM
Thanks for the clrification, Milling sounds like an easier route than building a laminated rotor / stator. I thought reluctance & permeability may have been an issue. I've looked at 3D printing in iron then sintering. I'm even considering steel shot in epoxy but I'm still hunting for a more suitable rotor for my existing gen stator.
@Jimboot - If you decide on laminations: I've used http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/ for making custom generator cores on numerous occasions and can vouch for their exceptional quality and precise dimensions. You email them a 2D .dxf file of the lamination outline, pick your lamination material from their supply, tell them you want the laminations stacked and bonded to your specified thickness. There are tips on their website for how to go about it all and they are very helpful with email replies. M19 and other electrical steels are in stock. They give you a solid quote before starting a job. Single piece prototypes are AOK. Other companies do the same, of course.
On another note, are you pursuing a build of Holcomb's current, 2-stator, all AC design, or their prior, sequentially pulsed DC design?
Thanks BM. I'll try and find someone locally a lot of the laser cutters I've spoken with so far do not know what transformer/silicon/electrical steel is. I like the idea a lot - I may have to end up buying a laser cutter and sheets of steel myself at this rate :)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 06:08:13 PM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569507/#msg569507
SL
I don't understand why the machine takes so long to count? I encountered such a problem, but it turned out that the conditions for calculating the initial data for the machine were incorrectly set. Sometimes it's worth breaking the calculation into parts.
My advice is, first you need to master the design element, and only then the whole design on a special software product.
As for the cutting of special electrical steel, you need to look for specialized companies. Perhaps they do not want to do this, they are unprofitable for a small order of an unformatted task, or they will deliver a sky-high counter.
Electrical steel is too brittle. Waterjet cutting is very suitable for this purpose, it does not overheat a thin sheet that can be deformed during laser cutting.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2022, 06:08:13 PM
By the time the G-Code for milling and
winding reaches the CNC fab shop
Bunch of grownups experienced problems,
A need to shine is so important. for some of this topic participants .
Loud laughing in front of the screen of my computer
made me go this morning first to mechanical shop.
What?
" -Some guy talks about delivery of G code."
I started to laugh too.
- "Is he milling or winding or he doesn't know.?" :) ............................. :)
- "what is he winding the core or the core winding? "
G code is not delivered it is written for particular CNC and its operation.
But most of it for particular operation, is simply generated by CNC and its computer.
You are not waiting for G code delivery...
Yes you may directly generate G code based on CAD form external computer but it still
goes to the same CNC and it is written specially with respect to this particular CNC.
What for.
In my lab all machines are network connected.
it belongs to CNC and is part of CNC operation.
Material traditionally used for transformer is not machined but cut by
stamping pressbecause of this material properties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamping_press (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamping_press)
Electrical Steel - is just general description, not used by professionals as important is the given composition of it,
serving particular application.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_steel)
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE
Dear Solarlab
There is nothing wrong with not knowing something - called lack of education in given area.
I started my own mechanical shop as part of the lab 10 years ago too.
- having 20+ years experience in machining, mechanics, and processing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaQicm9RRk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaQicm9RRk)
It is not a shame to do not know.
I learn every day too.
But that need of an individual to shine, to show how smart , how good, how experienced he is
- is making my guys laugh.
Just take it easy,
-schoolboy, at some age is being ask to grow up..
Wesley
Wow stivep, what the hell is wrong with you, making an off topic 100% troll post like that? In all the years I have read your posts, you never acted like that.
I'm starting to think maybe you are not the real stivep!
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 03, 2022, 01:24:35 AM
I don't understand why the machine takes so long to count? I encountered such a problem, but it turned out that the conditions for calculating the initial data for the machine were incorrectly set. Sometimes it's worth breaking the calculation into parts.
My advice is, first you need to master the design element, and only then the whole design on a special software product.
As for the cutting of special electrical steel, you need to look for specialized companies. Perhaps they do not want to do this, they are unprofitable for a small order of an unformatted task, or they will deliver a sky-high counter.
Electrical steel is too brittle. Waterjet cutting is very suitable for this purpose, it does not overheat a thin sheet that can be deformed during laser cutting.
To get accurate results you need a "very fine mesh" and "very small time steps" therefore a "very long calculation" run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51woRXXoDug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51woRXXoDug)
Check the Ansys or other EM-CAE sites for further details.
Also, FWIW (Wesley), Solidworks creates the G-Code internally for you in their CAM add-on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SvDm4eZpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SvDm4eZpc)
Plus, Laser Cutting thin electrical metal sheets is common as recently pointed out by Beginners Mind.
[just before the Troll Roll]
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/ (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/)
And, yes, you can create excess energy (a.k.a overunity)!
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 08:44:36 AM
What?
" -Some guy talks about delivery of G code."
I started to laugh too.
- "Is he milling or winding or he doesn't know.?" :) ............................. :)
- "what is he winding the core or the core winding? "
G code is not delivered it is written for particular CNC and its operation.
But most of it for particular operation, is simply generated by CNC and its computer.
You are not waiting for G code delivery...
Wesley
Wesley, What has happened to you man? For years I have followed your posts and you have until recently always been a voice of reason on the forums. But lately it seems like all your posts are written to discourage others from their pursuit of an alternative energy source.
You know as well as I do that the part of your post I quoted is nonsense. I worked for over 20 years repairing CNC machines. So I am quite familiar with Gcodes. In order for a CNC machine to make an accurate part the process has to start with someone drawing the part using a CAD program. Then the CAD drawing has to be processed to generate the Gcode. And then the Gcode has to be sent to the CNC machine before the CNC mill, lathe or whatever can make the part. So the Gcode DOES get sent to the CNC machine. It may be only in the next room or across town, but it still has to be sent to the CNC machine.
You post contributed nothing to the discussion except to try and pretend you know more than anyone else. That is just not like the Wesley I have followed for years. I wonder why the change. Maybe you are an imposter as someone else suggested.
Carroll
Quote from: Cadman on August 03, 2022, 12:40:11 PM
I'm starting to think maybe you are not the real stivep!
It would be better if you answered for my posts.
My questions are specifically on the topic of the device. :)
Quote from: citfta on August 03, 2022, 01:26:05 PM
Wesley, What has happened to you man? For years I have followed your posts and you have until recently always been a voice of reason on the forums.
But lately it seems like all your posts are written to discourage others from their pursuit of an alternative energy source.
Carroll
Everything is good with me.
It is just dejavu from few years ago when SolarLab was very aggressive to me. that's all.
Very much natural reaction to you too when someone steps to many times on you and you are trying to be nice.
Quote from: SolarLab on July 31, 2022, 02:14:27 PM
deception, trolling, not doing the required work and lying!
It is an accusation
this is the largest and most known FE forum in the world.
But we need value and advice here not trash.
e.g.
Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg569549/#msg569549) «
Reply #3736 on: Today at 07:34:16 PM »
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When you look at video posted by me my post was very much on the topic of what they call here "electrical steel."
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE)
You have the same attempt there ,of getting 15kW form 10W.
I am supporting all kind of work, and activity that doesn't make people losing their time and money.
Nonsense of repeated talking about nonexistent OU, brings value of this form down.
You want Free Energy or energy for Free - that I support but not Ether, OU, or Time travel or anti gravity..
although I'm open to discussion if someone has valid scientifically recognized counterarguments.
e.g
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
And, yes, you can create excess energy (a.k.a overunity)!
Solar lab colliding with laws of thermodynamics, has Zero of scientifically recognized counterarguments as they don't exist.
For the past 12 years I have not seen, so much of text, from individuals having no idea what they talk about.
Throwing terms, phenomena, e.g "zero point energy" that "backfills into the copper wire"
and "Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator."
It is below level of imagination of 12 years old students at the selected physic class I am involved with.
But it looks like now everything is changed. 10 years ago it was discussion where everybody wanted to understand each other with respect.
And now it looks like it is a competition.
-removal of accusers,and trash makers, was not invented by me.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 01, 2022, 05:23:35 PM
There is no OU device, and never was,
Please provide any scientifically recognized literature conforming that Overunity devices exists and its examples.
Please provide any scientifically recognized literature describing
"Motionless Switching Magnetosphere Electric Generator." its processes and its function.
Convincing you that the Holcomb devices can, in reality, create Excess Energy is rather pointless. You're free to believe whatever you want, as we all are. But, believing what can actually be seen inside
Holcomb's Lab - working devices - FPL datasets, varification documents, CAE analysis, eye witness
testimonies and on and on is more than good enough for me.
So, believe what your mind is telling you. That's no problem at all for the rest of us who have been there and
done that.
No amount of factual based evidence or solid science and engineering will change your mind - so it's not a
big deal in the whole chain of things.
Before long you'll be claiming that you actually invented it! :)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
And, yes, you can create excess energy (a.k.a overunity)!
Physics is not about believe, Please support your statement that
overunity exist by scientifically recognized literature.
Please relate your statement to rules of thermodynamics:
Quoteprinciple of conservation of energy, meaning that: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed
https://www.thermal-engineering.org/what-is-energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed-definition/ (https://www.thermal-engineering.org/what-is-energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed-definition/)
I'm 100% sure that you'll not find the counterarguments to that.
That alone makes all of your writing not only questionable but likely totally rejectable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 04:08:51 PM
Physics is not about believe, Please support your statement that overunity exist by scientifically recognized literature.
Please relate your statement to rules of thermodynamics:https://www.thermal-engineering.org/what-is-energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed-definition/ (https://www.thermal-engineering.org/what-is-energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed-definition/)
I'm 100% sure that you'll not find the counterarguments to that.
That alone makes all of your writing not only questionable but likely rejectable
Wesley
Proof is proof - playing silly games about science and web quotes does not
change current varifyable observed facts.
And, quite frankly, I really don't care what you think - we all have our Degrees
and such - but
proven facts matter!
We should Troll Roll this subject to - lets say - 100 pages or so... good idea aye!
Then I can re-post all the facts; and they will appear "fresh" all over again,
maybe even get some new "eyes-on."
Hope this "Excess Energy" reveal does'nt get you into trouble, or worse.
But it has to be done.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
And, yes, you can create excess energy (a.k.a overunity)!
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 04:23:25 PM
Proof is proof - playing silly games about science and web quotes does not change current varifyable observed facts.
And, quite frankly, I really don't care what you think - we all have our Degrees and such - but proven facts matter!
Proven by who?
and recognized by who?
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 04:32:02 PM
Proven by who?
and recognized by who?
Wesley
Me, et. al.
The world at large!
BTW, you left this part out from my quote:
"We should Troll Roll this subject to - lets say - 100 pages or so... good idea aye!
Then I can re-post all the facts; and they will appear "fresh" all over again,
maybe even get some new "eyes-on."
Hope this "Excess Energy" reveal does'nt get you into trouble, or worse.
But it has to be done. "
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 04:08:51 PM
I'm 100% sure that you'll not find the counterarguments to that.
That alone makes all of your writing not only questionable but likely totally rejectable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense)
Wesley
https://www.resonancescience.org/blog/Graphene-Proves-That-Brownian-Motion-Can-Be-A-Source-of-Energy (https://www.resonancescience.org/blog/Graphene-Proves-That-Brownian-Motion-Can-Be-A-Source-of-Energy)
Quote from: Feb2006 on August 03, 2022, 04:41:54 PM
https://www.resonancescience.org/blog/Graphene-Proves-That-Brownian-Motion-Can-Be-A-Source-of-Energy (https://www.resonancescience.org/blog/Graphene-Proves-That-Brownian-Motion-Can-Be-A-Source-of-Energy)
source of energy is not overunity and it doesn't go against laws of thermodynamics.
Overunity is nonsense and SolarLab is spreading this nonsense, with no single proof.
I see it as
intended misinformation, - disrespect to all of you seeking for advice.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
Wesley
Hmm
Yes it was few years ago ..
However ,Solarlab's state of the art simulations are definitely a tool to model
Observable interactions in this live matrix ( design media)
An ever advancing technology which is purposely made to assist
Engineering !
Few years back Solarlab. ( it seemed he/you worked on Parker solar probe project ?)
and Wesley had some abrasive exchanges!
However...
This is a very hard path forward !
Until Holcomb has feedback from happy customers (Jimboot seems to have been invited
To visit one such customer in Florida?
Well
Fighting over Energy source or terms or ?
"Words"
If what Holcomb has is real ?? It's an unknown to science!
The discussion has no roots In existing physics
Just like term Overunity apparently!
Please no mentions of banning ( since there is no
Banning here that I am aware of,
Just time out for a while ( some guys do get
Stacked timeouts tho ( unable to control themselves ??
PLEASE !!
This really looks like a flame war going someplace to happen
And is frowned upon by administrator!
This is a diverse group !
Tolerance from all sides will go a long way towards the goal
I consider Solarlab a builder of this Holcomb device
Builders are what we strive for !
And he will face questions ( obviously)
Those should not be generic tests but specific to design and replication!
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Yes I know there are many holes in logic ( or understanding ) at the moment ,
as well some preexisting issues between members ?
Tolerance is never easy ... but it is the best path forward!
Ps to Wesley comment below
That's a bit fuzzy .. as physics would be able to tell how this is possible?
Or are some new pages about to be written in the physics books ?
I certainly hope so !
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 04:53:21 PM
source of energy is not overunity and it doesn't go against laws of thermodynamics.
Overunity is nonsense and SolarLab is spreading this nonsense, with no single proof.
I see it as intended misinformation, - disrespect to all of you seeking for advice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy)
Wesley
"Additionally, their design increased the amount of power delivered. This means that it gives more energy than is injected into it ... or, in other words, it exhibits an over-unity mechanism!"
If there is any use from any technology converting energy from one form to the other
than that is good for all of us.
While trying to understand what Holcomb is about it is helpful to analyze it based on
the same principals as all technology around us.
and that is physics and its rules.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 04:53:21 PM
source of energy is not overunity and it doesn't go against laws of thermodynamics.
Overunity is nonsense and SolarLab is spreading this nonsense, with no single proof.
I see it as intended misinformation, - disrespect to all of you seeking for advice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy)
Wesley
You should voice your concerns about misinformation, disrespect, doubts about proof, thermodynamics
and general nonsense, etc. directly to the Inventor (Dr. Robert Holcomb).
All that I did was "a Holcomb proof-of-concept" using modern EM-CAE methods along with
some follow-up investigation and discovery. This proof-of-concept turned out to be true! :)
Dr. Holcomb has an email (found on their facebook page) and a web site contact page:
https://holcombenergysystems.com/contact-us/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/contact-us/)
SL
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 05:02:38 PM
If there is any use from any technology converting energy from one form to the other
than that is good for all of us.
While trying to understand what Holcomb is about it is helpful to analyze it based on
the same principals as all technology around us.
and that is physics and its rules.
Wesley
Build a Holcomb and test it - should only take you an hour, a bit of wire, some steel and a 4 channel logic analyzer
and 4 MosFETS if your logic analyzer has a weak output (most can drive a good load).
It's not too complicated and nearly any soft steel will yield results. Having a lab at hand also helps a lot.
A layman would say
I can't find Free Energy in the physics rule book
Which page is it on ?
Actually it's not in the physics books
Nor is Over unity !
Hopefully some pages will be written
Once the actual gain mechanism is understood !
BTW
There is an open invitation to member Jimboot to see the tech in a Florida location ,
Not at HES facility?
Respectfully
Chet K
Tolerance please!!
Edit
Edit for comment below
We just might have this accessible in a Florida lab ( a bit dormant / inactive at lab for the moment)
And we might have a builder with incredible experience in "this thing we do "
Available to facilitate this build you suggest !?
Holcomb's "fuel source" is understood by examining the B-H curve [posted in full a while back] of
soft iron and is clearly described in the HES Technical Summary [posted in full a while back].
This is the "Gain" mechanism - magnetic domain alignment in conjunction with magnetic field rotation!
Part "III" attached below:
"However, when a coil of magnet wire is wrapped around the electrical steel, and a weak current is passed through the coil,
the coil generates a weak magnetic field which aligns the magnetic domains of the steel, and as the domains are aligned,
they produce powerful, moving, magnetic flux which, when organized and sequenced ..."
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 05:48:59 PM
Holcomb's "fuel source" is understood by examining the B-H curve [posted in full a while back] of
soft iron and is clearly described in the HES Technical Summary [posted in full a while back].
This is the "Gain" mechanism - magnetic domain alignment in conjunction with magnetic field rotation!
Part "III" attached below:
"However, when a coil of magnet wire is wrapped around the electrical steel, and a weak current is passed through the coil,
the coil generates a weak magnetic field which aligns the magnetic domains of the steel, and as the domains are aligned,
they produce powerful, moving, magnetic flux which, when organized and sequenced ..."
My understanding is that the strength of the field is determined by voltage (AT) & frequency but is not dependent on current? Which is another reason I like this idea.
I think the confusion here is about my position the Holcomb technology.
I never criticized Holcomb .
I would love him to succeed.
The time will prove who's right and who's wrong.
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Provided by solarlab text is understandable to the point of talking about electron spin.
External magnetic field e.g from quote : "coil aligns magnetic domains." - true
but that needs external energy .
From that point, nothing is clear any longer in this text.
We may think that Holcomb is extracting energy from.. From what?
magnetic domain?
free electrons,? – this can only move under external force called voltage- difference of potentials.?
I am in disagreement with statement that Holcomb energy source would never end.
There is no such thing as conversion of energy from empty car tank, or empty bucket.
Contribution to the subject should be seen as a value coming from critics as this makes all of the others to think and respond.
I wish Holcomb to become another Albert Einstein.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 02:47:00 PM
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When you look at video posted by me my post was very much on the topic of what they call here "electrical steel."
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE)
You have the same attempt there ,of getting 15kW form 10W.
LET"S TALK ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE:theoretically assuming that for some incredibly uncommon reason Holcomb was right
and he used concept of Ted Annis presented by me in my video .
years before - than all his work may be free for us to use, as
I actually pointed at material used by Ted Annis in my video and Ted is the owner of application that
once proven that it works makes Ted the owner of the rights to technology.
Marconi lost patent rights to Tesla, for wireless technology...............
start to watch it exactly from here
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=121
and compare it to SolarLab text picture here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188010/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188010/image//)
It looks like he was researching the same problem but without use of rotation.
For you to better understand it.
Holcomb success may automatically approve Ted Annis application to a patent by means of priority date.I visited him and I can call him at any time.
He is the guy who may agree for his technology to be licensed free or almost free worldwide.
Wesley
Quote from: Jimboot on August 03, 2022, 06:25:25 PM
My understanding is that the strength of the field is determined by voltage (AT) & frequency but is not dependent on current? Which is another reason I like this idea.
Hi Jimboot,
Current plays a big-time role whereas frequency isn't even mentioned. Often confusing.... Strength, intensity, density, and so forth.
Encyclopaedia Britannica does a decent definition. Copied and pasted for your convenience.
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magnetic field strength, also called magnetic intensity or magnetic field intensity, the part of the magnetic field in a material that arises from an external current and is not intrinsic to the material itself. It is expressed as the vector H and is measured in units of amperes per metre. The definition of H is H = B/μ − M, where B is the magnetic flux density, a measure of the actual magnetic field within a material considered as a concentration of magnetic field lines, or flux, per unit cross-sectional area; μ is the magnetic permeability; and M is the magnetization. The magnetic field H might be thought of as the magnetic field produced by the flow of current in wires and the magnetic field B as the total magnetic field including also the contribution M made by the magnetic properties of the materials in the field. When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetizing field H is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be thousands of times stronger because B is greatly enhanced by the alignment of the iron's myriad tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field.
magnetic field, a vector field in the neighbourhood of a magnet, electric current, or changing electric field, in which magnetic forces are observable. Magnetic fields such as that of Earth cause magnetic compass needles and other permanent magnets to line up in the direction of the field. Magnetic fields force moving electrically charged particles in a circular or helical path. This force—exerted on electric currents in wires in a magnetic field—underlies the operation of electric motors. (For more information about magnetic fields, see magnetism.
Around a permanent magnet or a wire carrying a steady electric current in one direction, the magnetic field is stationary and referred to as a magnetostatic field. At any given point its magnitude and direction remain the same. Around an alternating current or a fluctuating direct current, the magnetic field is continuously changing its magnitude and direction.
Magnetic fields may be represented by continuous lines of force or magnetic flux that emerge from north-seeking magnetic poles and enter south-seeking magnetic poles. The density of the lines indicates the magnitude of the magnetic field. At the poles of a magnet, for example, where the magnetic field is strong, the field lines are crowded together, or more dense. Farther away, where the magnetic field is weak, they fan out, becoming less dense. A uniform magnetic field is represented by equally spaced parallel straight lines. The direction of the flux is the direction in which the north-seeking pole of a small magnet points. The lines of flux are continuous, forming closed loops. For a bar magnet, they emerge from the north-seeking pole, fan out and around, enter the magnet at the south-seeking pole, and continue through the magnet to the north pole, where they again emerge. The SI unit for magnetic flux is the weber. The number of webers is a measure of the total number of field lines that cross a given area.
Magnetic fields may be represented mathematically by quantities called vectors that have direction as well as magnitude. Two different vectors are in use to represent a magnetic field: one called magnetic flux density, or magnetic induction, is symbolized by B; the other, called the magnetic field strength, or magnetic field intensity, is symbolized by H. The magnetic field H might be thought of as the magnetic field produced by the flow of current in wires and the magnetic field B as the total magnetic field including also the contribution made by the magnetic properties of the materials in the field. When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetizing field H is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be thousands of times stronger because B is greatly enhanced by the alignment of the iron's myriad tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field. See also magnetic permeability."
LINK
https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength
bi
stivep
QuoteWe may think that Holcomb is extracting energy from.. From what?
magnetic domain?
free electrons,? – this can only move under external force called voltage- difference of potentials.?
I am in disagreement with statement that Holcomb energy source would never end.
There is no such thing as conversion of energy from empty car tank, or empty bucket.
I agree and you are asking perfectly reasonable questions any credible Engineer or Scientist should ask.
From Part III, Holcomb states a weak magnetic field aligns the magnetic domains of the steel.
Then during the process of alignment they are supposedly organized and sequenced by another computer controlled process.
The combined processes are claimed to produce more output power than initially put into the process.
I think most people have problems with this for several reasons as you implied...
1)There is no detailed description of the whole process, what, when, where, why and how?.
2)There is no detailed working theory as to where the extra energy comes from as it relates to the Conservation of Energy.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed.
3)All the important information which makes this technology work is not present in any of there literature.
However as an Engineer/Inventor I can understand why Holcomb is doing what he is.
Throughout our history countless scientist/inventors gave everything to science and in return they were branded heretics, there life destroyed and left destitute.
T.H.Moray, Nikola Tesla, Viktor Schauberger, Lester Hendershot, Kapanadze/Ruslan and the long list goes on.
The unfortunate truth is that we inventors are outnumbered a million to one by self serving assholes who care only about profits and power.
Look at this thread on TinselKoala here...https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2sdr25ub0m1mmm9q7al3iup306&topic=4319.msg99789;topicseen#msg99789
The guy spent a lifetime looking for answers, he was a good and fair critic of FE and I respected him for that.
He spent decades fighting the good fight asking the hard questions lesser men were afraid to ask.
He probably gave more to the FE community than most here and now he has nothing to show for it. If that isn't a fucking tragedy I'm not sure what is...
So yes, it's about time we inventors protected our interests.
Look at Elon Musk, nobody tells him what to do and he has the wealth and power to run with any technology he wants.
He is disruptive to every tech sector he enters, he doesn't ask permission, he doesn't give a damn what most believe, he destroys the competition and that's how real men get shit done.
Make no mistake, the time for trying to convince the misinformed masses that we are destroying the planet and there are better technologies out there has long since past.
There is no convincing anyone of anything in my opinion. Let them believe whatever nonsensical bs they want but when there neighbor has no utility bill that's the kind of thing that really changes minds...
Regards
AC
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 07:44:19 PM
LET"S TALK ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE:
Assuming that for some incredibly uncommon reason Holcomb was right
But he used concept presented by me
years before
- than all his work may be free for us to use, as I actually pointed at material used by Tom Annis in my video and Tom is the owner of application that
once proven that it works makes Tom the owner of the rights to technology.
Marconi lost patent rights to Tesla, for wireless technology...............
start to watch it exactly from here
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=121
and compare it to SolarLab text picture here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188010/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188010/image//)
It looks like he was researching the same problem but without use of rotation.
For you to better understand it.
Holcomb success may automatically approve Ted Annis application to a patent by means of priority date.
I visited him and I can call him at any time.
He is the guy who may agree for his technology to be licensed free or almost free worldwide.
Wesley
Assuming that for some incredibly uncommon reason Holcomb was right
"But he used concept presented by me
years before"
---------------------
"Before long you'll be claiming that you actually invented it!"
Boy, that didn't take long! 3hrs:45min ;D
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2022, 03:58:55 PM
Convincing you that the Holcomb devices can, in reality, create Excess Energy is rather pointless.
You're free to believe whatever you want, as we all are. But, believing what can actually be seen inside
Holcomb's Lab - working devices - FPL datasets, varification documents, CAE analysis, eye witness
testimonies and on and on is more than good enough for me.
So, believe what your mind is telling you. That's no problem at all for the rest of us who have been there and
done that.
No amount of factual based evidence or solid science and engineering will change your mind - so it's not a
big deal in the whole chain of things.
Before long you'll be claiming that you actually invented it! :)
SolarLab. You are asking for explanation.
It is not me but Ted Annis.
I only pointed at right material to be used and made video.
here:
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=121 (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=121)
Please don't attack me. Just live me alone.
I hope you remember effect of your behavior few years ago.
Pushing, bending, kicking is not the way to go.
Not answering questions, insulting, calling with names doesn't help you.
e.g:
Quote from: SolarLab on July 31, 2022, 02:14:27 PM
deception, trolling, not doing the required work and lying!
Contribution to the subject should be seen as a value coming from critics of technology as this makes all of the others to think and respond.
You losing audience trust, and support by silly answers and accusations.
Pushing me to respond in your style makes it even worse.
I'm friendly , helpful and cooperative.. but everything has its limit.
Wesley
I think there is a bit of relevancy deprivation going on as the design appears to work. I've seen it elsewhere and had twinges myself :) More input from smart minds on material usage/sourcing, adaptation of design for resource poor countries etc I think would be more valuable than their opinions on why it doesn't work or name calling.
Quote from: stivep on August 03, 2022, 09:45:29 PM
SolarLab. You are asking for explanation.
It is not me But Ted Annis.
I only pointed at right material to be used and made video.
Please don't attack me. Just live me alone.
I hope you remember effect of your behavior few years ago.
Pushing, bending, kicking is not the way to go.
I'm friendly , helpful and cooperative.. but everything has its limit.
Wesley
This wasn't an attack - I mearly pointed out that "You would soon claim to have invented Holcolmb's device"
and 3hrs:45mins later you did exactly that. Probably a world record by the way - so to speak!
A few years ago you had me banned from this forum for pointing out similar things.
I didn't bow to you then and I won't do it now. As most can see, I do good work - but I will not eat shit!
This is a good forum and thread that brings to light an excellent, proven, OU technology with some very smart and decent
participants. A lot of on-topic and excellent information is shared to the bennefit of all. You're welcome to participate as well.
Threats asside, things are moving forward, and will continue to move forward, irregardless.
Your opinion of yourself and my opinion differ. Go back and read your posts; then come back and offer another
opinion. The world judges us by not only what we write, but how we write it!
Best Regards,
Solarlab
This is why we can't have nice things.
Sirs
I did see Wesley's video with Ted Annis claim (post 1050 above).
I do not believe Wesley was actually claiming it was his work
Just pointing to his investigations of a ...perhaps similar mechanism ?
It would be good that the interactions here revolve around
Helpful information towards a successful replication!
Also it is quite possible that the Holcombs are following this topic
as Jim did forward our open source efforts here in an exchange with Ellen !
And it seemed well received!
Let's please keep this on course ( towards a replication)
Solarlab has made a reference to a simple replication which shows promise!
Ultimately either happy customers ( certified customers writing product endorsements and recommendations)
Or third party independent replications, are the proof we seek!
End of story!
Please refrain from caustic interactions, we want to keep our best foot forward !
(Shoes might need a little polish/shining....
Respectfully
Chet K
Friends, I will say this: who owns the technology of electromagnetic induction? Who owns the rights to the alternator idea?
As soon as you publish the scientific justification of the technology based on the laws of nature, no one will forbid you to design and build generation devices.
Here we have individuals trying to push free energy device technology (OverUnity) into the realm of interest rates.
I will disappoint them, your interest on the loan will not work as soon as the technology is released to the public.
Generators are designed and manufactured worldwide. Neither company discloses the details of their developments, only the general formula. I repeat, you will have to delve into many disciplines, and this again means costs, time for scientific and engineering research.
Holcomb does not own the rights to the theory of electromagnetic induction or the discovery of the magnetic properties of electrical steel, bismuth, mu-metal, etc. (ferromagnets, diamagnets, paramagnets).
His technology provides for the use of this public knowledge in his technology and designs of generating converters, which are partially (without details) disclosed in his patents.
There was a dispute. Does Holcomb's technology work?
If anyone doubts, I want to ask you personally contacted the company, what was your answer?
A published energy report for a commercial facility where Holcomb systems are installed is not a declaration, but a report.
For a specialist, this is enough, but for a non-specialist, you just need to reach the level of a specialist. In other words, improve your knowledge.
Quote from: bistander on August 03, 2022, 07:46:49 PM
Hi Jimboot,
Current plays a big-time role whereas frequency isn't even mentioned. Often confusing.... Strength, intensity, density, and so forth.
Encyclopaedia Britannica does a decent definition. Copied and pasted for your convenience.
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magnetic field strength, also called magnetic intensity or magnetic field intensity, the part of the magnetic field in a material that arises from an external current and is not intrinsic to the material itself. It is expressed as the vector H and is measured in units of amperes per metre. The definition of H is H = B/μ − M, where B is the magnetic flux density, a measure of the actual magnetic field within a material considered as a concentration of magnetic field lines, or flux, per unit cross-sectional area; μ is the magnetic permeability; and M is the magnetization. The magnetic field H might be thought of as the magnetic field produced by the flow of current in wires and the magnetic field B as the total magnetic field including also the contribution M made by the magnetic properties of the materials in the field. When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetizing field H is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be thousands of times stronger because B is greatly enhanced by the alignment of the iron's myriad tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field.
magnetic field, a vector field in the neighbourhood of a magnet, electric current, or changing electric field, in which magnetic forces are observable. Magnetic fields such as that of Earth cause magnetic compass needles and other permanent magnets to line up in the direction of the field. Magnetic fields force moving electrically charged particles in a circular or helical path. This force—exerted on electric currents in wires in a magnetic field—underlies the operation of electric motors. (For more information about magnetic fields, see magnetism.
Around a permanent magnet or a wire carrying a steady electric current in one direction, the magnetic field is stationary and referred to as a magnetostatic field. At any given point its magnitude and direction remain the same. Around an alternating current or a fluctuating direct current, the magnetic field is continuously changing its magnitude and direction.
Magnetic fields may be represented by continuous lines of force or magnetic flux that emerge from north-seeking magnetic poles and enter south-seeking magnetic poles. The density of the lines indicates the magnitude of the magnetic field. At the poles of a magnet, for example, where the magnetic field is strong, the field lines are crowded together, or more dense. Farther away, where the magnetic field is weak, they fan out, becoming less dense. A uniform magnetic field is represented by equally spaced parallel straight lines. The direction of the flux is the direction in which the north-seeking pole of a small magnet points. The lines of flux are continuous, forming closed loops. For a bar magnet, they emerge from the north-seeking pole, fan out and around, enter the magnet at the south-seeking pole, and continue through the magnet to the north pole, where they again emerge. The SI unit for magnetic flux is the weber. The number of webers is a measure of the total number of field lines that cross a given area.
Magnetic fields may be represented mathematically by quantities called vectors that have direction as well as magnitude. Two different vectors are in use to represent a magnetic field: one called magnetic flux density, or magnetic induction, is symbolized by B; the other, called the magnetic field strength, or magnetic field intensity, is symbolized by H. The magnetic field H might be thought of as the magnetic field produced by the flow of current in wires and the magnetic field B as the total magnetic field including also the contribution made by the magnetic properties of the materials in the field. When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetizing field H is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be thousands of times stronger because B is greatly enhanced by the alignment of the iron's myriad tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field. See also magnetic permeability."
LINK
https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength (https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength)
bi
Bistander,
Great research find - thanks for sharing! Cohesive and comprehensive and from a known authority.
Appreciate it. Nice work...
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 04, 2022, 01:14:50 AM
Friends, I will say this: who owns the technology of electromagnetic induction? Who owns the rights to the alternator idea?
As soon as you publish the scientific justification of the technology based on the laws of nature, no one will forbid you to design and build generation devices.
Here we have individuals trying to push free energy device technology (OverUnity) into the realm of interest rates.
I will disappoint them, your interest on the loan will not work as soon as the technology is released to the public.
Generators are designed and manufactured worldwide. Neither company discloses the details of their developments, only the general formula. I repeat, you will have to delve into many disciplines, and this again means costs, time for scientific and engineering research.
Holcomb does not own the rights to the theory of electromagnetic induction or the discovery of the magnetic properties of electrical steel, bismuth, mu-metal, etc. (ferromagnets, diamagnets, paramagnets).
His technology provides for the use of this public knowledge in his technology, which is partially (without details) disclosed in his patents.
There was a dispute. Does Holcomb's technology work?
If anyone doubts, I want to ask you personally contacted the company, what was your answer?
A published energy report for a commercial facility where Holcomb systems are installed is not a declaration, but a report.
For a specialist, this is enough, but for a non-specialist, you just need to reach the level of a specialist. In other words, improve your knowledge.
Fab it at your local shop - put up a solar panel - and blame your reduced power consumption on the panel!
Share it with your friends and neighbours... :)
Remember - I know nothing - a guy showed up and did some solar work as far as I know - I wasn't home!
8) (Who is John Gault? - Atlas Shrugged movie!)
I'm meeting with a local fabricator to discuss rotor laminations to fit my stator. I'm looking at the easiest avenue for my neighbours to replicate. If they can can take an old generator stator and fashion a new rotor, we can work out out switching later. ( And ay rand Ay rand so far away. Who is John Galt?)
Quote from: Jimboot on August 04, 2022, 07:54:09 AM
I'm meeting with a local fabricator to discuss rotor laminations to fit my stator. I'm looking at the easiest avenue for my neighbours to replicate. If they can can take an old generator stator and fashion a new rotor, we can work out out switching later. ( And ay rand Ay rand so far away. Who is John Galt?)
Jimboot, et. al. Anyone know of an off-the-shelf 5KW or so Generator that would work for this? I like Jimboot's approach but will have to purchase
a COTS (Commercial off-the-shelf) unit. Preferably with a built-in Inverter. Not going to modify my current back-up until Hurricane
season is over.
Jimboot - if you want to share your Processor requirements (number of poles, etc.) I'll add it to the ST Microelectronics design. Board I'm
developing is somewhat expensive (STM32xxxx Discovery ~ $75US) but it's got a small (4") LCD and lots of I/O and other features.
Trying to port the Flowcode "C" over to it is a bit challenging however (for me anyway). Hope to be freedup soon so I can finish it.
SL
SL,
If you're interested in COTS (commercial off the shelf) stator to produce a RMF (rotating magnetic field), I recommend a high efficiency NEMA 3-phase induction motor. Pair that with a good quality VFD (variable frequency drive) and you're good to go. Your choice for 2, 4, 6 ... pole. Can easily press out shaft and build own 'rotor' on it and lock it in place with simple bracket. Costs on motor and VFD should be very reasonable. New surplus name brand equipment are available on eBay and such.
If you can locate a reasonable cost slip ring induction motor, that would give you a rotor with slots which you can strip and rewind.
Nothing wrong with using a generator (alternator) but you'll pay a lot more more, IMO, and the stator winding will be the same.
If you're willing to do the legwork, visit motor rebuild shops in your area. A great resource. And personnel love to talk about their craft, from my experience.
Good luck.
bi
I found a Ukrainian tape recorder "ВЕСНА306"with a motor "БДС02". :)
Why is there such a large gap between the permanent magnet rotor and the three-phase stator in Soviet BLDC motors БДС 02, БДС 02М from the distant 70s?
Solarlab and Jim
There is a lab of sorts sitting mostly dormant
In Florida .
If specific needs for a replication can be gathered ( is a theoretical/educational pdf spec sheet??)
I will call him and see if he can assist in some way!
"Lab access "
There are more replicators sharing on this board from Florida
Than anywhere else at this time !
Might be a very useful asset!
Respectfully
Chet K
for these who wants to know more about similarity of Ted Annis to Holcomb or subject matter
look here:
Update ,the links as of 3/19/2019 :
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533027/#msg533027
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533028/#msg533028
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533049/#msg533049
(https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnBrQU1vWEZxczI2RWo4aG5xT3VrYzhDYlNyQXxBQ3Jtc0ttSDdiOGdzZkFyWFROMzlHeV9GYWtKUkt4UXRocGtRRER4TGJmZlV0OTBkd0R5emNlVEJFUG1haFpEM1U5cDd1RVZVUE4zbmlXTjBhLXNfQnhrcnFEUlNVQXZ2Y0NIdVRHd05waFFCSUhsRGprMEVEcw&q=https%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2F17735%2Fwesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum%2Fmsg533049%2F%23msg533049&stzid=UgxmpeE4NwhCqlCkUt94AaABAg)these links are also posted in first comment under picture frame of:
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on August 04, 2022, 02:27:57 PM
for these who wants to know more about similarity of Ted Annis to Holcomb or subject matter
look here:
Update ,the links as of 3/19/2019 :
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533027/#msg533027 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533027/#msg533027)
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533028/#msg533028 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533028/#msg533028)
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg533049/#msg533049
(https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnBrQU1vWEZxczI2RWo4aG5xT3VrYzhDYlNyQXxBQ3Jtc0ttSDdiOGdzZkFyWFROMzlHeV9GYWtKUkt4UXRocGtRRER4TGJmZlV0OTBkd0R5emNlVEJFUG1haFpEM1U5cDd1RVZVUE4zbmlXTjBhLXNfQnhrcnFEUlNVQXZ2Y0NIdVRHd05waFFCSUhsRGprMEVEcw&q=https%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2F17735%2Fwesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum%2Fmsg533049%2F%23msg533049&stzid=UgxmpeE4NwhCqlCkUt94AaABAg)these links are also posted in first comment under picture frame of:
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE)
Wesley
Similiar to MEG
US6362718B1 - Motionless electromagnetic generator - Google Patents (https://patents.google.com/patent/US6362718B1/en)
Or Kunel patent
Kunel Patent (studfile.net) (https://studfile.net/preview/8201506/)
Or any switched reluctance device.
But I am afraid you can't get kW level power out of them.
Cheers,
Pix
Thanks SL I have two stator candidates right now looking for a rotor. My 1kw gennie stator used at start of thread and a seimens stepper motor but the stator has diagonal poles so I may ditch it. For those that haven't read this but have doubts here is more info. https://holcombenergysystems.medium.com/irrefutable-data-on-the-holcomb-energy-system-in-action-2ff56b0ab451 (https://holcombenergysystems.medium.com/irrefutable-data-on-the-holcomb-energy-system-in-action-2ff56b0ab451) It's not like a meg. Numbers off the Florida Light and Power Co.
Ramset
QuoteIt would be good that the interactions here revolve around
Helpful information towards a successful replication!
As is often the case there seem to be too many cooks in the kitchen with different recipes for success.
It may be better to start another Holcomb thread dedicated to a working theory rather than a replications. Then people can debate replications and a working theory without getting off topic.
AC
Good idea AC.
Just found out my local metal monger sells electric motors for 90cents a kg
AC, Wesley and All,
You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development. No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either.
Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least.
I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic.
Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not. :'(
Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo! [Still wondering what UFOPolitics is up to though.]
Take care, and have a good one...
SL
Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in science seem to be able to explain anything either.
You can create a rotation or a slide with switches. The problem I have is being able to create more energy then it takes to power the created rotation. The only thing I can hope for is that it creates resonance greater then what is introduced. It's worth testing.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 04, 2022, 10:17:41 PM
since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least.
! [Still wondering what UFOPolitics is up to though.]
Take care, and have a good one...
SL
you are not alone there. He's awfully quiet
Quote from: SolarLab on August 04, 2022, 10:17:41 PM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569625/#msg569625
SL
The theory of a transgenerator or a solid-state generator (as you like), is calculated even on such simple software as FEMM.
Your problem is the lack of basic concepts: what is EMF and how does it work correctly. What is written in the textbooks will lead to a dead end.
Secondly, you have not understood what a magnetic conductor is and how it is identical with an electric current conductor.
All this so-called "closed code" on the surface, bringing it into a logical chain is engineering technology.
You trusted the program too much, and the program considers what you put into it.
Good luck to you.
NIGHLIFE EVERYTHING IS IN A SPIN. ALL MATTER IS A MASS OF SPINNING ELECTRONS PROTONS QUARKS ZIBARTS AND THE REST.
MAGNETIC FIELD IS ALWAYS IN A SPIN OR ELSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS ALIVE. ALIVE I SAY TO YOU. SO TO GET TO FREE ENERGY
ALWAYS APPLY A SPIN IN YOUR GREAT INVENTION. CERTAIN MASS LOOK STATIC BUT INSIDE SPINNING. GRAVITY IS DUE TO ALL ELECTRONS AND THE REST OF MATTER SPINNING COLLECTIVELY.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 05, 2022, 12:24:35 AM
you are not alone there. He's awfully quiet
Please understand that I'm not against Holcomb nor ANY OF HIS SUPPORTERS INCLUDING SolarLab.
I never criticized Holcomb.
As long as your writing obeys laws of physics I have no reason to complain.
I'm peaceful, person friendly to everyone including SolarLab,
All I need from critics, is to respond to my writing with direct scientifically recognized arguments,
but like most of you, I don't want to be attacked, called names, however there is no problem to challenge me,
by a gentleman .
If you want to withdraw from discussion it may only say that, you have nothing to offer, contribute
and you want to turn it into a punishment of the forum, showing them:
-how much they are losing,
-how valuable you are,
- how much you could deliver, but now you will not.
For me it is an escape from public criticism, negative feedback.
Your decision SolarLab is yours not mine.
I wish every nation, and you personally, the best.
Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg569644/#msg569644) «
Reply #3750 on: Today at 02:48:45 PM »
Wesley
Let's all stay on the build here, there is a theory thread setup for those that wish to discuss. My last comment was purely about ufo progress not anyone else. He had the best results so far. Good luck all
stivep
QuoteAs long as your writing obeys laws of physics I have no reason to complain.
That's kind of a loaded and ambiguous statement in my opinion...
Almost all of the physics community is in agreement that the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic and Gravic) are defined as "virtual particles popping in and out of existence from multiple parallel universes" relating to Einstein's space-time. This mainstream view could even be considered as a law of physics since all the real physicists agree this must be the case considering the proof they know.
As such if the current "laws of physics" demand all fields must be made of "virtual particles" popping in and out of existence and said "popping" qualifies as energy then anything is possible isn't it?. Unless of course you know more than the physics community does or feel the need to clarify or interpret what they have said or mean.
So let's be clear, in almost every case when an average person say's "the laws of physics" what there usually referring to is there own interpretation of it. In the real world every real physicist believes the Primary Field's which dictate the action of everything thus all energy is dictated by "virtual particles" which exist then don't. Why said particles have even been proven to exist in two places at once as a superposition of states sometimes defined as a mixed state... oh dear that's a problem.
Which begs the question which laws of physics your referring to?. Apparently the real physicists actually employed as a physicist and who have even won a Nobel Prize claim almost any particle can appear and disappear and be in more than one place at once. In this respect the Holcomb device seems pretty boring doesn't it?...
Regards
AC
Hey All;
I admire everyone's courage in trying to achieve FE on this forum for a long time here...I check in from time to time hoping someone has finally found the holy grail...as such I always watch from the sidelines and wonder if anyone ever finds it, will they release it to the world as free open source tech...so far there's a lot of information out there but I don't see anything on the market yet. Holcomb could be the next one but the jury is still out from what I've seen of SolarLabs latest responses. But I'm hoping that at least someone will be brave enough to try...whether it works or not it would be nice to eventually end up with a kit that fits a certain model of generator with an electronics kit that makes work, wouldn't that be something!
Then I ran into this...DaDaDaDummmmm....
@Stivep I admired your dedication and been wondering if anyone could help humanity it would be someone like you so truly I am always honored to read your findings and watching your videos...I truly believe you have been as close to FE as anyone I've seen.
But sadly I seem to be witnessing someone in decline of the FE community spirit....lately your posts have been POLITICAL and quite frankly it turns me OFF...Enough of Russia already...LOL
Also you mentioned this in the youtube video as proof that FE exists but you mentioned the following in your comments to this video in one of your previous posts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5xQOJHlrU&t=460s
"FE.. due to easiness of life ...if given to humanity may cause overpopulation food shortage and degradation of environment in just 18-20 years from now.."
That, my friend, made my heart sink to the lowest of lowest....
How can you sit there in judgement of all humanity while anyone who is holding on to the knowledge that we could end the destruction of this planet? Surely you can see that replacing fossil fuels would be a good thing for this planet, right? So how could you make such a statement?
This is not an attack on you, just wondering that if you think like this does everyone holding back on releasing critical information on how to actually build a FE device to heat your home, cook your food, run your car etc. think like this then the world is indeed doomed!!!
I for one hope that the Holcomb device is real and that the laws of Physics will be re-written to accommodate something that was hereto unrealized/unverified in the scientific community, maybe something was overlooked, who knows right? That's how science progresses isn't it?
Anyways there's been enough studies to prove that poverty causes overpopulation not the other way around.
Look it up!
Sorry folks...End of rant.
PG
Please all keep this thread on topic which is building. Biggest hurdle right now looks like it will be the rotor. Unless you have access to an ac slip ring motor. Atm I'm taking a grinder to a squirrel cage. I know I know heat affected. It will do until I find something better.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 05, 2022, 09:56:04 PM
Please all keep this thread on topic which is building. Biggest hurdle right now looks like it will be the rotor. Unless you have access to an ac slip ring motor. Atm I'm taking a grinder to a squirrel cage. I know I know heat affected. It will do until I find something better.
Sorry JB
I'd like to propose a plan (Hope it's constructive towards the building process)
Someone here could call and ask Holcomb to sell a "License" to a replication of their original "converted generator" with the generator model specs, rotor size, everything including a Holcomb electrical control unit so that we could "Replicate" it exactly to validate their technology.
I'd personally donate into a fund for a project like that if Holcomb would be willing.
Holcomb mentioned that they could license their tech to businesses that manufacture generators so why not sell to a pool of investors like us to replicate and validate their technology that apparently took 1 KW to generate 9 KW.
So bottom line is...How much for a license to replicate, kit and all if needed (if someone is a generator shop ;)
PG
PG
Quote from: Jimboot on August 05, 2022, 09:56:04 PM
... Biggest hurdle right now looks like it will be the rotor. Unless you have access to an ac slip ring motor. Atm I'm taking a grinder to a squirrel cage. I know I know heat affected. It will do until I find something better.
You might saw off the rotor end rings and melt the aluminum out of the slots. A cutoff wheel saw could open slot tops so you can insert coils of you choice. Never done that myself, but don't see what's wrong with it. BTW, since it won't rotate, no worry about balance or wire retention.
bi
Do these electric machines remind you of anything?
I'm sorry that it's in Russian, I didn't find another one. But you can always translate it.
https://www.sinref.ru/000_uchebniki/00850_energetica/008_Spravochnik_po_elektricheskim_mashinam_kopa_1988/083.htm (https://www.sinref.ru/000_uchebniki/00850_energetica/008_Spravochnik_po_elektricheskim_mashinam_kopa_1988/083.htm)
Quote from: Goat on August 05, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
@Stivep //if anyone could help humanity it would be someone like you
//lately your posts have been POLITICAL Enough of Russia already...LOL
Among naked people all ages, and entire families on a public nude beach, my ~24 years younger wife (psychologist) feels very comfortable, since she was very young,
Politics, is a comfort of dress, while trying to make and see others naked.
On this forum everyone is expecting, or pushing others to strip first, show their true value its beauty or its reverse.
Interaction - is an exposure, where you showing some part of yourself naked.
Form of exposure in every area of our life is always political and applies to individual, group or countries.
______________________________________________________________
Also you mentioned //in your comments to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5xQOJHlrU&t=460s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He5xQOJHlrU&t=460s)Quote"FE.. due to easiness of life ...if given to humanity may cause overpopulation food shortage and degradation of environment in just 18-20 years from now.." So how could you make such a statement?
I for one hope that the Holcomb device is real and that the laws of Physics will be re-written
PG
No, Physics laws will not be re-written
Believers are waiting for the
Judgement Day, and they bends, bow, obey, prays knowing, their present God is not going to change his mind.
Physics is in a flexible "bible" you can mess with, unpunished.
But its rules are solid.
Unlimited energy for free, is like Air, or friendly environment, where trees grows and if not ,we make them grow as it doesn't cost us anything.
Uncontrolled mouse population can turn into disaster in 1 year
Mathematicians from near to me university I ask for help calculated, that:
if Energy is unlimited like Air than in 18 to 20 years
human animal overpopulates Earth and experiences global shortage in food supply.
That calculation alone made my partner to withdraw from FE supporters.
It exists , you can make it but he doesn't want to be a part of
Judgement day made by human animals to all humans. You have enough information to play with technology of Dr James Corum and mine too.
So.... he says :
good luck with Holcomb.Wesley
.
I like that the followers of "eugenics" were afraid of the emergence of the Holcomb system.
I can assure you that there is not a single violation of the known postulates of physics in the engineering solution of Holcomb Energy Systems.
There's only one problem, Holcomb's company is a commercial company. Therefore, they will not disclose the subtleties of their engineering solutions.
If you want to buy, order from them. The question is, will they sell to you.
In their videos, they can say anything, but "the availability of such equipment for everyone" is still a big question.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 06, 2022, 11:10:04 AM
but "the availability of such equipment for everyone" is still a big question.
Do you have this equipment ?
Quote from: stivep on August 06, 2022, 08:38:41 AM
Uncontrolled mouse population can turn into disaster in 1 year
Хорошо сказано. :) respect.
Значит это наше счастье,что perpetuum mobile у человечества пока нет.
Иначе земле был бы конец. Everyone just drank and ate. And endlessly copulated and multiplied.
I agree.
Значит нам сперва необходимо перестать быть мышами.
p.s.
И хотелось бы получить ответ на мой предыдущий вопрос.
Америка повела себя как мышь ? Испугавшись международных проблем.
А ведь могла спасти человека... :)
Quote from: kolbacict on August 06, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
Хорошо сказано. :) respect.
Значит это наше счастье,что perpetuum mobile у человечества пока нет.
Иначе земле был бы конец. Everyone just drank and ate. And endlessly copulated and multiplied.
I agree.
Значит нам сперва необходимо перестать быть мышами.
p.s.
И хотелось бы получить ответ на мой предыдущий вопрос.
Америка повела себя как мышь ? Испугавшись международных проблем.
А ведь могла спасти человека... :)
У Америки меньше шансов на землю на душу населенияРоссия имеет лучшие шансы, потеряв :
-1 миллион россиян от ковида,
-1 миллион российских эмигрантов и убитых на Украине
- полмиллиона умерших естественным образом в России./г
- 81 миллион до сих пор не умерших российских остатков вскоре становится белым меньшинством
среди азиатов, наводнивших Россию.
Америка не имеет к этому никакого отношения
Wesley
I want to return the branch once again, exactly on the topic!
Website (https://holcombenergysystems.com) of the AUTHOR and MANUFACTURER of solid-state electromagnetic generators:
Declaration from his website (https://holcombenergysystems.com/two-worst-polluters/power-plants/)
QuoteMOVING BEYOND RENEWABLES: MAKING POWER PLANTS SELF-SUSTAINING AND 100% CLEAN
By removing the gas or coal-fired dynamo and replacing it with the solid-state Holcomb Energy System, we eliminate the need for coal, natural gas or any fuel, turning every power plant 100% clean, self-sustaining and emissions free.
Retrofitting power plants with the Holcomb Energy System means no more coal, natural gas, nuclear or any power source. Just 100% clean power.
My little summary on technology:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Well, in the photo (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOL05tPPLDjzpaDMRD5HjPGFC9WA60Agr4juVkyaPZn0wdCHXi7Se5-Wl2NTTY4gr0DNhFmO5x52CpJtA0EFQib3CIbrMy9ynPlZ7ng958GXhvza8xT19dIxDbbi-M0B6aOYaa_5aDmvNf__C1x2hY8X7pIlen8Acs1_O9XoWELKrAO6gHITKkhFbj/s1645/2022-05-24_171446.jpg), something that cannot exist, or rather, it is so convenient for energy corporations.
This thread needs a moderator to remove off topic posts. Anything unrelated to the build is a disservice to the community.
Quote from: kolbacict on August 06, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
Хорошо сказано. :) respect.
Значит это наше счастье,что perpetuum mobile у человечества пока нет.
lajk I and others have said: gatekeeping
People of forum
Please understand that our host is liable to Claimants for defamation!
Under no condition should it be written here ! Or implied!
If persons here feel strongly
Please start your own blog or forum as known person (here our administrator is not anonymous.
And roll the dice on your own bank account and assets !
America is one of the most litigious societies on the planet, and probably has more Hungry lawyers per capita than rest of known universe !
This is not negotiable!
AND !!
Happy customers should be benchmark for this tech !
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: rebar on August 07, 2022, 08:12:15 AM
The other issue they have is that they claim to extract energy from electron spin of an iron atom. You cannot extract energy from a static field.
Holcomb and Arkady Stepanov also talk about similar possibilities.
In order for the static electric field to do the job, it must go to ground then it will do the work usefully.
. Sorry wrong thread.
If someone knows exactly how the Holcomb device works, I don't. As a weekend hobbyist, I built a PLC/MOSFET driver with just three outputs. This test is to exercise my two neurons and learn the effects. I'm starting to put it together to simulate the magnet passing in from a coil.
I will try different configurations to see the results.
By the way, I received a quote from Polaris, a linear laminated core with slots and a general size equivalent to a 20 HP generator. $8K.
https://youtu.be/T9xZGh-_cRc
Here it seems a moderator will have to be placed !
To protect forum from lawsuits
It is completely different circumstance to investigate a claim ...
It implies no endorsement, just research .
However writing con ,scam ,fraud ,etc etc or implying such ..
Will bring lawsuits to forum ( Stefan).
Terms of service agreements forbid such activities
Non negotiable!
Electromagnetic generator - ANY, works only on the law of electromagnetic induction. If you don't know how this process (electromagnetic induction) works, you don't know anything about electric generators at all.
First, understand the points by point how an electromagnetic synchronous generator works, in which the phase windings are laid in grooves.
Specify how mechanical power (Pk=Fv) is converted to electrical power (Pe=IU).
In general, why did the Gramme generator with an external winding lose to generators with a groove furtively of the phase wire?
If you do not know this, then your accusation of fraud of the one who made the generator (demonstrates it and, in addition, sells it to customers for whom it works) can be regarded as fraud or trollism, in favor of the energy companies.
Thanks to Stefan for moving topic to a moderated section
We did make it for a long time here without the need !
I believe Jimboot might be helping a bit with this topic's focus !
As a builder...Hopefully he will make a few suggestions towards
That focus !( it is very early in OZ at the moment 1AM Jimboot time)
Respectfully
Chet K
In regards to using a 4 pole 3 phase motor as the basis of a HES build I would like to point out something important I think has been left out of the considerations so far.
That is the magnetic circuit.
The pictures and discussions that I have seen so far are all about using an inner rotor and outer stator, which would have the flux projecting from the rotor across the stator and back to the rotor just as in an ordinary motor or generator. That does not seem to be the correct configuration.
Looking at International Publication Number WO 2021/063522 A1 which is also International Application Number PCT/EP2019/076967 reveals a 3 part construction. Rotor - stator - outer rotor with the flux being returned via cross members at each end to the center shaft of the inner rotor.
That would have the flux passing straight through the stator from inside to outside and returning through the center shaft instead of looping through and across the stator right back to the rotor.
That would make a considerable difference in the action of the flux rotation through the stator.
As support for this I have attached 4 figures from the application.
Figure 1
end view of rotor laminate revealing salient pole pieces and flux sleeve
Figure 4
solid state rotor ... as well as a flux return insert (Item 130)
Figure 48
rotor laminate fully wound
Notice the flux return crossmember. The X.
Figure 49
illustrating a stator and rotor hookup.
Shows the stator and outer rotor.
Interesting. I do not see the outer 'rotor'. Also, the X cross member and 'inner rotor' teeth roots are apparently way to thin or too small in cross sectional area to be of much use as main magnetic circuit path considering the apparent area of the main air gap(s).
Also, the diagram of wound 'rotor' has 3 devices connected. This is quite different from earlier versions showing those coils being sequence switched from a power supply. Things keep changing. Can you provide a link to the diagram source.
edit. I see the link. 161 pages. That will take awhile.
Nice to see some analysis. Thanks.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2022, 12:09:53 PM
Interesting. I do not see the outer 'rotor'. Also, the X cross member and 'inner rotor' teeth roots are apparently way to thin or too small in cross sectional area to be of much use as main magnetic circuit path considering the apparent area of the main air gap(s).
Also, the diagram of wound 'rotor' has 3 devices connected. This is quite different from earlier versions showing those coils being sequence switched from a power supply. Things keep changing. Can you provide a link to the diagram source.
Nice to see some analysis. Thanks.
bi
It's all in the patent application attached to my previous post. It's a big document, 14 MB.
In the application, he jumps around with different embodiments, a little confusing. The figure descriptions are at the beginning of the application document.
The outer rotor is visible as a narrow region next to the outer case. Fig 49 is described as a stator and rotor.
The size of the cross member was a concern to me too, but who knows, maybe a portion of the flux is routed through those. The pics on his web site have pretty substantial cross members and two of them together could possibly equal the cross section of the steel stator pole(s).
Edit: Remember he always describes the inducing flux as relatively weak.
Hello to All,
That previous post from member rebar, where he posted what someone (I believe his name was Bill)...was removed...
and I was getting ready to answer on that.
Besides calling Holcomb's a "scam", which is the only part on that post that I can see as "offensive" or "Difamatory"...He had some good points which were completely debatable and refutable...at least from my end...
He mentioned that "People on YouTube" are doing tests with cheap meters (not True RMS) which tends to give wrong or off readings, which leads to wrong conclusions, etc,etc...That could be true...
However, ALL my Meters are True RMS, my recent Amp Probes Clamps are TEKTRONIX, A622, NOT Generic Cheap ones, but the Originals...and they go from $375 to $390 USD...Not cheap at all!!
Anyways, IMHO, I believe we can NOT just behave like all of these other sites do, but in the opposite way...being kind of RADICALS about posts that are not all "liking" Holcomb...
Any NEW TECHNOLOGY will ALWAYS FACE OPPOSED FORCES to fight against...and that is the reason why we are all here...to explain where mistakes are, where wrong conceptions are...and where they are doing wrong analysis...
Also, I have refuted here, that the so called "Increase" in Output is not due to any "Electric Steel" magnification...since it has been done ever since the first Generator was built!!!
And please do not take me wrong, I know Steel DOES INCREASE, AMPLIFY MAG FIELDS, but NEVER to the point to use it as an explanation/justification for ANY OU Device!!
Also, It is NOT due to any "Electron Spin" at all...as Bill mentioned, and He is completely right on that!!...the electrons would then be "exhausted at certain point...and then "KABUUM" no more energy.
There is absolutely NO Electron Spin in ANY Magnetic Field on Earth!!!
Magnetic Fields DO EXCITE Electron Spins resulting in an ELECTRIC FLOW, within the Coil's wires or conductors, whenever moved through SPACE/TIME, PERIOD!!
That was proven by Faraday on the 1800's!!
Magnetic Fields are NOT COMPOSED of ANY "PARTICLES" EITHER, Not Electrons, Not any "particles"!!!
Problem with Bill (the guy refuting Holcomb's Tech) is that He is "anchored" to the OLD PHYSICS BOOKS, where we have to move a HUMONGOUS MASSIVE STEEL ROTOR, in order to carry a VIRTUAL, WEIGHTLESS, MASSLESS, FRICTIONLESS SPECTRUM...which is entirely PATHETIC...
But Hey...That will be proven in full soon...
Anyways, I was thinking about coming here, and quoting just that Bill post by rebar...and respond in a very quiet, profesional and scientific way...paragraph by paragraph...plus adding some snapshots of all my equipment being all True RMS...
But now, UNFORTUNATELY I see that post is gone...
Ufopolitics
Hello Cadman and Bistander,
My opinion related to: the X Bar
I believe that X bar is just there as a support for the stationary rotor...
As Bistander mentions, it is quite small and thin to be a Flux return member, related to the steel mass of rotors and stators.
Whenever you guys build one of these units, you will see the incredible vibratios and magnetic force generated when it is in operation.
In one of my tests, where I am adding some outer coils sync with rotor coils...I had to hold the shaft with my hand, because it tends to come out off the stator...with incredible force.
So, yeah, mine also needs that X Member...
Regards
Ufopolitics
UFO
I think a link was posted to that site ( bill guy ?
It would be very easy to send this topic into
Great depths of debate ( quite a few are trying)
Here it's not just some YouTuber claiming a result
But someone (Holcomb) well versed in the issues and the legal
Liabilities attached to both sides of a claim!
The very slippery slope of defamation lawsuits require minimal effort on a claimants part
Who already has a legal team ( not some you tuber here).
And Stefan gets that beating
I was told a long time ago
"Never hand a man a stick to beat you with"
Thanks for all you do
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: Ufopolitics on August 07, 2022, 12:40:54 PM
Hello Cadman and Bistander,
My opinion related to: the X Bar
I believe that X bar is just there as a support for the stationary rotor...
As Bistander mentions, it is quite small and thin to be a Flux return member, related to the steel mass of rotors and stators.
Whenever you guys build one of these units, you will see the incredible vibratios and magnetic force generated when it is in operation.
In one of my tests, where I am adding some outer coils sync with rotor coils...I had to hold the shaft with my hand, because it tends to come out off the stator...with incredible force.
So, yeah, mine also needs that X Member...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Have you seen the picture of the real center rotor like the one in Fig_4? The shaft diameter of it is huge. It's more than that though, the other thing is the rotor - stator - rotor configuration.
Not trying to detract from your work, should anyone think so, just pointing out some observed differences in the patent application I mentioned.
Figures 22 - 24 show larger diameter shaft.
bi
In Fig_65, can anybody explain "REMAINING WATTS"?
bi
Watts available in the battery bank would be my guess.
Quote from: Cadman on August 07, 2022, 01:52:31 PM
Watts available in the battery bank would be my guess.
Would that be peak watts, continuous watts, average watts or what? I think they confuse power and energy.
Like how many watts are left in your phone battery? Nonsensical.
bi
In 1901, two professors at one of the US universities "proved" that a heavier-than-air aircraft could never get off the ground, that it was like a "perpetuum mobile". The US Senate banned the Pentagon from funding development, but three years later the Wright brothers' plane took off, which gave way to aviation development.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2022, 02:57:03 PM
In 1901, two professors at one of the US universities "proved" that a heavier-than-air aircraft could never get off the ground, that it was like a "perpetuum mobile". The US Senate banned the Pentagon from funding development, but three years later the Wright brothers' plane took off, which gave way to aviation development.
This is your typical "skeptic" story but I do want to add to this something. What many people also don't know is that the Wright brothers were involved in a patent war. Sueing everyone they felt infringed on their patent. This made the US aviation industry suffer and airplane development in the US fell so far behind Europe that in WW1 American pilots were forced to fly European combat aircraft, instead.
There's a double lesson in that story. Greed always stops innovation no matter how big the idea is.
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2022, 02:14:44 PM
Would that be peak watts, continuous watts, average watts or what? I think they confuse power and energy.
Like how many watts are left in your phone battery? Nonsensical.
bi
And as no frame of reference or explanation is given for that graph it can be filed under 'Useless speculation' or 'Waste of time'.
Let's move on.
Quote from: Cadman on August 07, 2022, 05:09:25 PM
And as no frame of reference or explanation is given for that graph it can be filed under 'Useless speculation' or 'Waste of time'.
Let's move on.
I can move on, but I've noticed dozens of 'hints' in reading the literature from this outfit that tell me they lack basic comprehension of the fundamentals.
And since you brought up magnetic circuits, have you, or anyone taken a look at his LinGen in that regard. I hoped SL would show that on FEMM. There you have one stator and one 'rotor' and just 2 poles.
bi
Looks like I got the chalice from the palace. Will delete "it doesn't work" posts . I think AC may have another thread where that can be discussed. So have at it over there. Edit. https://overunity.com/19206/holcomb-energy-systems-working-theory/msg569684/#new (https://overunity.com/19206/holcomb-energy-systems-working-theory/msg569684/#new) This thread will be for building, not defaming or name calling.
If anyone is confused by the number of patents I suggest you watch Ellen Holcomb's presentation to investors referenced earlier in the thread. She goes through the evolution of the device from the one with 47 spinning rotors to the solid state version now shipping. Certainly clarified a few things for me.
As far as I'm concerned science struggles to explain much of our natural world. My attitude is if I think the device could work I'll have a go at building it. If it breaks someone's laws along the way, not my problem if it does indeed work. But as I said at the start, I won't be absolutely convinced until I see something self running.
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
I can move on, but I've noticed dozens of 'hints' in reading the literature from this outfit that tell me they lack basic comprehension of the fundamentals.
And since you brought up magnetic circuits, have you, or anyone taken a look at his LinGen in that regard. I hoped SL would show that on FEMM. There you have one stator and one 'rotor' and just 2 poles.
bi
bi,
I'm as skeptical as the next person about the HES and I won't believe it until I see it. Too many in the past have proven to be cons.
However the HES does intrigue me a great deal.
I have a pulsed DC experiment that shows an apparent cop>2. I can't explain it in any way other than the extra is produced by a changing magnetic field in iron. Is that correct? I don't know but that doesn't mean the result does not exist. Apparently it does. I can only produce the result from a single 1 ms pulse at this time and the extra takes 220 ms to fully manifest so right now it's pretty useless. But the apparent OU is there whether I grasp the basic fundamentals or know the correct terminology or not.
Getting right down to it, the HES self runner using DC as the source is a pulsed DC system claiming the extra comes from the electrical steel. If I can produce an apparent OU, even for a fraction of a second, from something similar then I cannot discount HES out of hand.
Quote from: Cadman on August 07, 2022, 06:15:19 PM
bi,
I'm as skeptical as the next person about the HES and I won't believe it until I see it. Too many in the past have proven to be cons.
However the HES does intrigue me a great deal.
I have a pulsed DC experiment that shows an apparent cop>2. I can't explain it in any way other than the extra is produced by a changing magnetic field in iron. Is that correct? I don't know but that doesn't mean the result does not exist. Apparently it does. I can only produce the result from a single 1 ms pulse at this time and the extra takes 220 ms to fully manifest so right now it's pretty useless. But the apparent OU is there whether I grasp the basic fundamentals or know the correct terminology or not.
Getting right down to it, the HES self runner using DC as the source is a pulsed DC system claiming the extra comes from the electrical steel. If I can produce an apparent OU, even for a fraction of a second, from something similar then I cannot discount HES out of hand.
I've seen enough playing with this to make me want to build something bigger. I haven't got near what UFO is showing there (nice work) but I know I can generate a strong magnetic field for less than a watt on other devices with the right coils. Getting a mag field chasing itself cheaply does not seem out of the question
Hi,
I have a question:
The Holcomb designs look like the original design was for a rotating generator.
Was the physical design for this generator originally suppose to rotate?
OR, was the design purposely made similar to rotating generators for
the easier manufacturing of the generator. Or, why?
The reason I ask is because other motionless generators look so much
different than his designs. It sure would by nice to see some of the prototypes
that Holcomb went through to get to the current designs.
It would be nice to know the "Ah Ha" moments during the many years of
the development of these devices.
Does anyone know of some of those moments?
Lunkster
Cadman,
Your earlier post today indicates you feel there is a need to consider the magnetic circuits in Holcomb's devices. I agree. I not attempting to derail anybody. In fact I made several suggestions to assist replications.
From the start I've been looking at HES from the magnetic vantage. And what's shown doesn't make sense.
bi
Quote from: Lunkster on August 07, 2022, 06:46:07 PM
Hi,
I have a question:
The Holcomb designs look like the original design was for a rotating generator.
Was the physical design for this generator originally suppose to rotate?
OR, was the design purposely made similar to rotating generators for
the easier manufacturing of the generator. Or, why?
The reason I ask is because other motionless generators look so much
different than his designs. It sure would by nice to see some of the prototypes
that Holcomb went through to get to the current designs.
It would be nice to know the "Ah Ha" moments during the many years of
the development of these devices.
Does anyone know of some of those moments?
Lunkster
You need to watch Ellen's presentation listed earlier in the thread. The first version had 47 spinning rotors. It explains what you are after.
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2022, 07:45:10 PM
Cadman,
Your earlier post today indicates you feel there is a need to consider the magnetic circuits in Holcomb's devices. I agree. I not attempting to derail anybody. In fact I made several suggestions to assist replications.
From the start I've been looking at HES from the magnetic vantage. And what's shown doesn't make sense.
bi
bi, and everyone else
I woke up this morning with a thought in my head that bugs me. The magnetic circuit I described here https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569750/#msg569750 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569750/#msg569750) may be a construct to
avoid.
I recalled seeing a post somewhere that there was a mu-metal sleeve between the center shaft and rotor laminates. If that is true then the only reason for it would be to block the magnetic path I described.
So bi and Ufo are probably correct.
Ufo, if you attach the shaft to the stator housing and your output goes away you will know the reason why.
Yes, Fig_5, item#130 is identified as mu metal sleeve on pages 30-31. It will not block magnetic field, or flux, so I fail to see a function. And, although I've not read entire document, I don't see a reason or function stated. If they desired to keep flux from being 'conducted' by or through the shaft, why not just use stainless steel (non-magnetic)?
bi
Quote from: Cadman on August 08, 2022, 08:32:32 AM
bi, and everyone else
I woke up this morning with a thought in my head that bugs me. The magnetic circuit I described here https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569750/#msg569750 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569750/#msg569750) may be a construct to avoid.
I recalled seeing a post somewhere that there was a mu-metal sleeve between the center shaft and rotor laminates. If that is true then the only reason for it would be to block the magnetic path I described.
So bi and Ufo are probably correct.
Ufo, if you attach the shaft to the stator housing and your output goes away you will know the reason why.
Hello Cadman,
Thanks for the advice...
The way I am conducting testings as of now, I do not use any insulation between static rotor tooth faces and stator tooth faces...means they are in metal to metal contact...and probably I will do use some high temp tape to isolate them...and run same tests again...
And honestly, I really do not know what difference it would make to "bridge" the outer part of stator to the rotor core with a steel member...honestly.
Generators normally do not do it...and most have the two end caps (where shaft bearings are mounted) made of Aluminum, or other non ferromagnetic material.
Now, for Electrical Ground of the whole embodiment, yes...it is a requirement, but aluminum conducts electricity very well, not the Flux.
Kind regards
Ufopolitics
Where I am going towards in my next rotor configuration...related to Magnetic Circuit:
I realized that when we wind one of these Lap winding Motor Armatures, our Field rotation looses the "power" required as when we do spin the whole steel rotor and coils.
So, trying to visualize what is going on within the steel core...I can see that the Field does rotates (seen with Mag View Film), however, by not moving the steel mass, the field propagates "randomly" along the steel core, without the precise angular motion, like it takes place whenever we rotate the whole thing.
And this is a conclusion I came up with, a few years ago...and as a matter of fact, my isolated elements have been cut from 3 armatures stack up vertically since then...but I never got to finish that project until now, when I decided to make these tests with better results, after seeing DZ Gen from Cotnoir.
So, here I am showing my next Static Rotor configuration...and like I mentioned on my Thread, I will be making different rotor types...starting by the "A Shaped drum", mounted on bearings, which eventually be a dual cooling fan "motor"...after everytthing renders positive results.
Point is, that each steel "tooth element" is completely isolated magnetically from each others, (the ring could be aluminum or fiberglass, since the later would also be an electric insulator for the coils conductors) so the steel rotor drum would be in charge to close the magnetic circuit between each group of elements across 180º and at every fraction of rotational angle.
This way the Field would be able to actually "jump" from element to element, just like a geared mechanism...where the center rotor would be steping and closing the magnetic circuit at every angle of rotation.
I may add a couple of small neo's at each center of the rotor face, one North, other South...just to keep even more precise movement with the Virtual Field rotation.
Regards to all
Ufopolitics
EDIT 1: And let me say this...I am still not happy with this rotor design based on only 16 coils...it is still a Low Resolution Field, which displacement is still at a huge angle...(22.5º)...However, it is better than previous one I had, which was at 45º (8 Pair of Coils).
IMHO, these fields resolution should be around 10º or even less (Cotnoir mentioned that as well)...and -for sure- it will reflect an increase on your Output total power, more consistent, stronger.
However, for me to change that into a 36 tooth, it will involve to change commutator and brushes setup at rotary switch, plus stator and rotor core...so, I am not planning on changing or replacing what I have so far...which -I believe- would be able to demonstrate what I am looking for.
Hi Ufo,
Glad you posted those graphics over here. I seem to get deleted on the other thread. A couple of comments intended to help.
You don't magnetically isolate the steel tooth, only provide various air gaps to control reluctance of flux pathways.
The shape of the innermost spinning rotor appears "2-pole", yet the lap winding looks to be 4-pole. So won't the rotor center itself midway between adjacent N & S poles instead of opposite located N & S poles as shown?
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 08, 2022, 01:24:32 PM
Hi Ufo,
Glad you posted those graphics over here. I seem to get deleted on the other thread. A couple of comments intended to help.
You don't magnetically isolate the steel tooth, only provide various air gaps to control reluctance of flux pathways.
The shape of the innermost spinning rotor appears "2-pole", yet the lap winding looks to be 4-pole. So won't the rotor center itself midway between adjacent N & S poles instead of opposite located N & S poles as shown?
bi
Hello Bistander,
Yes, Ok, exactly like you have said..."to control the Flux pathways"...thanks, I understand that I am setting an air gap between them, however, when magnetic circuit is closed by rotor, it will comprehend more stronger (related to flux strength/flow) the tooth which are closer gap to rotor drum face...is what I believe...am I wrong?
You or Solar Lab could put that design in FEMM and see what I mean.
Yes, first graph is wrong related to number of tooth...
it is supposed to reach 6 tooth, like shown on second image.Remember the field according to brushes angle I have, have two positions for the -/+ electric poles which defines the field angle, which I could narrow or set it wider, I only have two positions.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on August 08, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
Hello Bistander,
...
...am I wrong?
You or Solar Lab could put that design in FEMM and see what I mean.
Yes, first graph is wrong related to number of tooth...it is supposed to reach 6 tooth, like shown on second image.
Remember the field according to brushes angle I have, have two positions for the -/+ electric poles which defines the field angle, which I could narrow or set it wider, I only have two positions.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
I think that you understand. Not wrong.
Unfortunately I don't have the tools to do FEMM.
And I think you miss my point on poles. The winding and connection to your commutator determine the number of poles. If that is 4, as I think you show in the diagram with a 4 slot coil span, then the spinning rotor needs a 4 lobe shape, N, S, N, S.
bi
Here is a better view of Inner Rotor design.
I will be posting this on my Thread...
This is the Narrower Angle Field based on brushes adjustment (position 1), which comprehends around 3 commutator elements, or 3 coils on each side (pole).
In the next (position 2) it will widen the Field to about 6 elements per pole or 6 coils.
Position number 1 will be lesser coils (total of 6), so it will be a higher amp rate (less resistance)...when Position 2 (12 coils) will have lesser amperage, more resistance.
However, this settings depends on my stator coils width, and how I am wiring them...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on August 08, 2022, 02:01:40 PM
Ufo,
And I think you miss my point on poles. The winding and connection to your commutator determine the number of poles. If that is 4, as I think you show in the diagram with a 4 slot coil span, then the spinning rotor needs a 4 lobe shape, N, S, N, S.
bi
Nope,
And I believe you are thinking that I have brushes wired as a typical 4 brush motor does...and it is not.
On a typical motor we have alternated -/+ or (
-/+/-/+), which -as you said- does cut the field in 4 poles or N/S/N/S.
Look at image below...that is the narrow magnetic field angle settings...see the electric polarity of brushes?
So, this way there are some coils not being energized during rotation (the ones within the electric poles of same polarity)...and so, I get a much better sinewave than if I use just two brushes -/+ which divides the field in two poles...and scrambles the whole thing and output drops down.
Hope you see what I am trying to explain.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
Yep. I think it is unfair to call it a lap winding, or at minimum confusing. This is a lap winding.
https://www.theengineeringknowledge.com/lap-winding-in-dc-machines/
edit: So at any instant, you are only using 6 out of the 16 coils.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 08, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Ufo,
Yep. I think it is unfair to call it a lap winding, or at minimum confusing. This is a lap winding.
https://www.theengineeringknowledge.com/lap-winding-in-dc-machines/ (https://www.theengineeringknowledge.com/lap-winding-in-dc-machines/)
edit: So at any instant, you are only using 6 out of the 16 coils.
bi
Bistander,
There are many ways to do a Lap Winding...
I am not doing it like you have shown...and still,
I am doing a Lap Winding.I am doing it like on this image I had to take my time to convert from the web...pls, let's not stop on small details...it cost me money.
And, of course, since I am doing more than just one turn per coil...it adapts better to the "Duplex Type Lap Winding"...However, the way to hook comm elements to coils is exactly the same.
https://www.electrical4u.com/lap-winding-simplex-and-duplex-lap-winding/ (https://www.electrical4u.com/lap-winding-simplex-and-duplex-lap-winding/)
But you are right, on the images I am showing, I am only using 6 out of 16 coils where the center (alternating) coil always stays on, during rotation.
I can have 12 coils in the wide settings...
For these systems, it is better NOT to use ALL Coils on the armature, it will scramble your sinewave, as your output will not be as desired.
Trust me, been there, done that!!
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on August 08, 2022, 12:18:50 PM
Yes, Fig_5, item#130 is identified as mu metal sleeve on pages 30-31. It will not block magnetic field, or flux, so I fail to see a function. And, although I've not read entire document, I don't see a reason or function stated. If they desired to keep flux from being 'conducted' by or through the shaft, why not just use stainless steel (non-magnetic)?
bi
One last comment on this and then I'll shut up about it.
Bi,
Why not use stainless? Cost. Mu-metal could block the path by increasing the reluctance.
Ufo,
The circuit path I'm talking about really only applies to the rotor - stator - outer rotor configuration shown in the patent application I posted.
Quote from: Cadman on August 08, 2022, 04:15:00 PM
One last comment on this and then I'll shut up about it.
Ufo,
The circuit path I'm talking about really only applies to the rotor - stator - outer rotor configuration shown in the patent application I posted.
Ok, I see, so Path you were referring to, was only between Rotors...Inner and Outer.
Now I do understand your point, as I do as well, yes, both rotors should be connected magnetically...I agree.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Cadman on August 08, 2022, 04:15:00 PM
One last comment on this and then I'll shut up about it.
Bi,
Why not use stainless? Cost. Mu-metal could block the path by increasing the reluctance.
Cadman,
Just the opposite. Reluctance is inversely proportional to permeability. Mu metal has much higher permeability than electrical grade steel. Therefore replacing core or shaft material with mu metal will lower reluctance.
bi
I think a linearly traveling magnetic field within a magnetic field
is one of the keys to the HES or am I wrong ?
HES does it one way, here's another way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf_Z57gAJTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf_Z57gAJTc)
Feb2006
QuoteI think a linearly traveling magnetic field within a magnetic field
is one of the keys to the HES or am I wrong ?
HES does it one way, here's another way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf_Z57gAJTc
That's an excellent video and explains a traveling magnetic field really well. However this technology has been around a while and one would think if there was an anomaly it would have been found by now. I was doing some similar experiments on shaded poles which can also produce a traveling magnetic field but the shading coils produce more losses.
Regards
AC
Quote from: Ufopolitics on August 08, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
Hello Bistander,
Yes, Ok, exactly like you have said..."to control the Flux pathways"...thanks, I understand that I am setting an air gap between them, however, when magnetic circuit is closed by rotor, it will comprehend more stronger (related to flux strength/flow) the tooth which are closer gap to rotor drum face...is what I believe...am I wrong?
You or Solar Lab could put that design in FEMM and see what I mean.
Yes, first graph is wrong related to number of tooth...it is supposed to reach 6 tooth, like shown on second image.
Remember the field according to brushes angle I have, have two positions for the -/+ electric poles which defines the field angle, which I could narrow or set it wider, I only have two positions.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Not a comprehensive anything - simply a 2 cent approach comment.
Download Ansys Electronics Desktop Student (no registration or login or email required). Simply download and install.
https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student (https://www.ansys.com/academic/students/ansys-electronics-desktop-student)
Run Ansys EM Student 2022 R2 | Ansys Electronics Desktop 2022R2.
{Optional step: Open examples - Maxwell | Actuators | Rotational_actuator.aedt => should be ready to analyze.}
Project | New [from the ribbon] Maxwell pulldown | Maxwell 3D (opens design desktop)
From the "top" ribbon - "Help" | Maxwell PDFs | Maxwell Help
In the PDF, Chapter 9 - RMxprt UDPS (user defined primatives) and Chapter 26 - Getting Started with RMxprt [read]
Next, back to Ansys program (still open) | from upper ribbon select "Draw" | User Defined Primative > RMxprt, now
select the type of rotor, core, coils, etc for your design. Fill in the parameters as required.
Note the bottom line of the parameters list usually has a "multiple choice number" to select options [0:core; 1:solid core
and so forth]. {Only a starting point to get you going.}
This is an aid in setting up your design - motor orientated - but you can select the windings, current, terminals, etc.
to accomplish your Holcomb configuration.
Student version might not have enough poop to do a complete rotary design configuration - so some intuition might be needed.
Maybe restricting the mesh size, etc. and partitioning will keep your size limits within student limitations, don't know. Try it, very
little to loose and you might learn something in the process.
Holcomb used a CAE firm/university in Australia to assist in his development.
Why bother with this approach (it's an option, even if you're the smartest person on earth and know every bit theory and practice
there is to know) because - you know your design will work before spending one dime; you have the drawings for the laser cutter
(saves money on backend engineering and Laser GCode generation) and you have a serious head start on the insitu testing and
varification! You know how it works, what to look for, and how to look.
Just a 2 cent comment on a tried and proven approach, that's all!
Noticed the "open examples" - maxwell | actuators | rotational_actuator.aedt opens desktop in a reduced window;
maximize this window.
Also, the model is in wire frame - right click on a blank spot and select "View" then select "Render" (near the bottom
of the list) | "Smooth shaded", or just use (F7).
Project Manager | Rotational actuator (Magnetostatic) already contains "Results" plots and "Field Overlays" | "B" | - Vector1 and B1
cartoons - but the solution must be obtained first to display these === right click "Analysis" and select
"Analyze All" - save the design in a temp location first.
To quickly see the solve time, results, etc (lower ribbon | Results | Solution Data. Profile shows solution took
about 01:23 on this PC - memory 62.1 M, Tetrahedra: 24954. (well below student limit)
Some good Tutorial example videos, etc. are found on YT (Bishwas Basnet, kamyar K, etc.)
System requirement
Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise or Student edition.
No can do. Window$, never again. :)
Quote from: Cadman on August 09, 2022, 04:41:20 PM
System requirement
Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise or Student edition.
No can do. Window$, never again. :)
I checked with the Aussie distributor of ansys leapaust.com.au which is the same mob that did the modeling for Holcomb . They did it around the corner from my office at the time. Amazing. No other os support unfortunately.
Quote from: Cadman on August 09, 2022, 04:41:20 PM
System requirement
Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise or Student edition.
No can do. Window$, never again. :)
I agree. Been using Linux for over a year now with no reason to ever go back to windoze. I am sure there is an equivalent program for Linux as many academics and professionals use Linux. I'll see what I can find.
Carroll
It seems I made a mistake when first looking at holcombs device, I assumed the rotating magnetic field was linked to a rotor, however the rotor does not spin so its not a rotor, which I guess was an assumption I jumped to because the design is clearly based on a synchronous motor.
@Cadman,cifita, if your trying to do electromagnetic FEA on Linux you can try FEAtool, new, haven't played with but it's free and integrates with Matlab, that or COMSOL. Don't know what version of Linux you're running (I'm on Manjaro) but you could always run windows in a VM and push most of your cores to it for running simulations. QEMU/libvirt is great, has a bit of a learning curve, but you can do a lot with it. My current rig is running Linux/Mac OS/Windows (concurrently) no problem and have built 2 other systems like that for my nephews.
Side note on this. A while back I posted in this thread regarding correlations I noticed between this and the 1908 Figuera device. I haven't really gone in depth on this device but I believe it could work two ways (together), 1st is what I posted "heat", here's a link to JNL Labs for the 2SGen http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm), if you scroll down to the bottom of the page there are three links under 'Interesting Documents to Read' related to this. 2nd which never occurred to me when working on my version of the Figuera device was that Holcomb must have added some open path into his closed magnetic circuit to collect energy from the environment. It's most likely just some physical section of his device where his excitation fields (budget) are allowed to pass thru (outside of the generating sections-budget) enhancing the total B field and collecting the excess on collapse/change (budgeted section) .
I've been reading and reviewing diagrams of that recent patent. I'm not sure Holcomb uses distinct magnetic circuits. Reason why I inquired about doing FEMM. Thanks SL, and others who commented, but now I know my "tools" are totally inadequate.
And, just kinda odd, latest version in patent shows no center shaft. Inner 'rotor' with inner & outer slots, stator, second 'rotor', and another stator. With some sort of bearing/bracket to rotate one of the members, for position tuning. Wonder if he'll see torque on it???
bi
Quote from: citfta on August 09, 2022, 05:36:26 PM
I agree. Been using Linux for over a year now with no reason to ever go back to windoze. I am sure there is an equivalent program for Linux as many academics and professionals use Linux. I'll see what I can find.
Carroll
Some of their apps are available for different Nix flavours. https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solutions/platform-support/previous-releases/platform-support-by-application-2019-r1.pdf
OT - F.Y.I. example: [Win10 stand alone - $280US complete]
Amazon - HP EliteDesk 800 G2 Business Desktop Intel Core i7 6700 3.4Ghz 32GB DDR4 RAM 1TB SSD Hard Drive Win10 Home (renewed).
Can take 64GB RAM. Nice machine - got them all over the lab (12+). Good for off-line as well. Neuter Win10 for better experience.
More than adequate IMHO. Networked, these beat the WorkStations and only about 30W each (Z80x WS is 1200W). These are well built!
$ 280.08 - Monday, Aug 15.
https://www.amazon.com/HP-EliteDesk-800-G2-Business/dp/B07XDCCP38/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=hp+elitedesk&qid=1660095147&sr=8-18 (https://www.amazon.com/HP-EliteDesk-800-G2-Business/dp/B07XDCCP38/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=hp+elitedesk&qid=1660095147&sr=8-18)
Or this one, (not familiar with this type) Dell OptiPlex 9020 - same as above but older graphics [4600 vs 530 intel] - check specs carefully!
$247.00 - Amazon DDR3 RAM says it an older intel chip - they don't say what the i7 is.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-Computer-Processor-Bluetooth/dp/B092KLDZ6B/ref=psdc_13896617011_t1_B07XDCCP38 (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-Computer-Processor-Bluetooth/dp/B092KLDZ6B/ref=psdc_13896617011_t1_B07XDCCP38)
And why did you decide that the larger the program, the more accurate it is?
Do you know exactly what the magnetic field looks like and how it works from the current of the phase laid in the groove?
Before something can be modeled in a problem solver, the program must be given the correct initial conditions for the solution.
Secondly, you need to know for sure that the algorithm for solving the set goal is correct.
For the formation of EMF, a stable rate of change of a constant and evenly changing magnetic induction is important.
That is, the formula E=BVL should be written as E=(B/dt)*V*L, where V (speed) must be a constant and L (conductor length) constant.
In this case, the speed in time also has a vector. The EMF generation process is more complicated than you might think.
For example, the program shows me one thing, as it contains a traditional mathematical algorithm, and the graph on the oscilloscope monitor is different (this is exactly what I saw).
And the most interesting thing that the oscillogram shows does not fit in with what the EMF formula declares in terms of the sign of the EMF itself.
**********************************************
;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYQ1xThupNQ&t=26s
If BVL results in E [V/m], then (B/dt)VL results in E/t, [V/ms]
Quote from: alan on August 10, 2022, 08:58:57 AM
If BVL results in E [V/m], then (B/dt)VL results in E/t, [V/ms]
just a guess ;)
In fact, this is an algorithm for solving the problem, both for a mechanical and for a solid-state generator :D
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 10, 2022, 11:33:47 AM
just a guess ;)
In fact, this is an algorithm for solving the problem, both for a mechanical and for a solid-state generator :D
Hello Rakarskiy,
V=Velocity=Speed=RPM's...plus Acceleration...Are ALL functions TOTALLY DEPENDENT OF TIME
.So, Nope, You can NOT establish (-
V ---------->+V)
in a completely VERTICAL line,
meaning Time=Zero=0...or totally ignoring it travels through TIME.Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on August 11, 2022, 08:19:47 AM
Hello Rakarskiy,
V=Velocity=Speed=RPM's...plus Acceleration...Are ALL functions TOTALLY DEPENDENT OF TIME.
So, Nope, You can NOT establish (-V ---------->+V) in a completely VERTICAL line, meaning Time=Zero=0...or totally ignoring it travels through TIME.
Ufopolitics
UFO Hello!
Take, make a mathematical model and calculate the floor of the EMF pulse period.
Speed is not time, it is the amount of change in magnetic induction over time. This means that if the magnetic induction is constant (for example, maximum) in the time interval, then the rate of change is zero, the EMF will be zero.
There are many interesting things in this topic.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569443/#msg569443
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 11, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
UFO Hello!
Take, make a mathematical model and calculate the floor of the EMF pulse period.
Speed is not time, it is the amount of change in magnetic induction over time. This means that if the magnetic induction is constant (for example, maximum) in the time interval, then the rate of change is zero, the EMF will be zero.
There are many interesting things in this topic.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569443/#msg569443 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg569443/#msg569443)
Hey Rakarskiy,
QuoteSpeed is not time, it is the amount of change in magnetic induction over time.
Now, just read the bold out words only...
Man, You are contradicting yourself with so many formulas...hahahahaha
In my opinion, to get Induction constant We need the simplest equation provided by Faraday...change of flux over change in time (dFlux/d/Time)
And that, in simple layman terms is to
move the Magnetic Field over Space/Time...
Now that movement could be back and forth or reciprocating...or rotational (continuous)...
Figuera did it based on increasing and decreasing field strength, so this effect would expand-shrink field through Space/Time in like a reciprocating way.
This whole thing works like a fluid mechanical pump...but we are "pumping electron flow"...by moving field over space/time...
Take care friend.
Ufopolitics
UFO hello!
Yes, it sounds like a contradiction, but that's if you don't know what "rate of change" means.
In a mechanical generator, this property is rigidly tied to the mechanical movement of the magnetic pole to the wire in which induction occurs.
We can say that the linearity is achieved by the uniformity of the movement of the rotor poles.
The curve of the graph of EMF and magnetic induction must match. But in order to achieve this, it is necessary to withstand the rate of change of magnetic induction in one interval of the pulse. This change should be linear. The sinusoid is already, not all completely linear. There is a speed reduction at the tops, allowing for a transition curve.
As you deal with this, get the physical concept of a rotating magnetic field, at the moment the load is connected to the generator terminals. This rotating field is vortex.
Sincerely.
Барыгызга да сәлам. :)
Or maybe the "secret" is that they short-circuit part of the winding.
Or separate windings located in a certain place. At certain points in time.
A short circuit does not require us to spend energy. But changes the system.
ихлас күңелдән
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 12, 2022, 02:19:50 AM
UFO hello!
Yes, it sounds like a contradiction, but that's if you don't know what "rate of change" means.
Rakarskiy, I DO know PERFECTLY WELL what a "rate of change" is or "means"
V=Velocity would always be linked directly with Time, no matter what you write or say, or argue.
What is the velocity in physics?The concept is related to distance, rate, and timeUfopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on August 13, 2022, 02:37:13 PM
Rakarskiy, I DO know PERFECTLY WELL what a "rate of change" is or "means"
V=Velocity would always be linked directly with Time, no matter what you write or say, or argue.
What is the velocity in physics?
The concept is related to distance, rate, and time
Ufopolitics
What is the rate of change in physics? (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=53b8d3924fb727c0JmltdHM9MTY2MDQyNzUxOSZpZ3VpZD1hM2UzZTZmOS00NzFmLTRjNzMtODZkZC0zYzIwNTUyZDM3YjEmaW5zaWQ9NTI4Ng&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=27f4baa0-1b52-11ed-9b06-fb3ea0af9f4d&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucXVvcmEuY29tL1doYXQtaXMtdGhlLXJhdGUtb2YtY2hhbmdlLWluLXBoeXNpY3M&ntb=1)
-The rate of change (ROC) is the
speed at which a variable changes over a specific period
of time.
ROC is often used when speaking about momentum, and it can generally be expressed as a ratio between
a change in one variable relative to a corresponding change in another; graphically, the rate of change
is represented by the slope of a line.
-the rate at which an object's acceleration changes with respect to
time. It is a vector quantity (having both magnitude and direction).
- the change of voltage or current, or any other electrical quantity, per unit of
time.Wesley
This video is setup using VFD,
I'm waiting for parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63ZiMqbAkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63ZiMqbAkY)
Quote from: ariovaldo on August 14, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
This video is setup using VFD,
I'm waiting for parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63ZiMqbAkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63ZiMqbAkY)
Thanks for the share Jose, where did you order your rotor from?
Quote from: Jimboot on August 14, 2022, 07:21:37 PM
Thanks for the share Jose, where did you order your rotor from?
You are welcome!
AliExpress
https://www.aliexpress.com/?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000002.1.1def6efbovwc25
The rate of change (ROC) is the change of a variable over a infinitesimal period of time, mathematically it is the slope of the tangent of a signal at a point and the derivative of the signal gives the instantaneous rate of change at t.
Hello, I see that this thread also talks about Clemente Figuera, so I decided to send this excellent work by Julio C. Gobbi, in my opinion the best interpretation of these patents, where he reports, among other things, of coreless induced coils, and where a mathematical approach is also given.
https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Engineering/Download/8688
Cheers
Quote from: matu on August 16, 2022, 07:12:03 AM
Hello, I see that this thread also talks about Clemente Figuera, so I decided to send this excellent work by Julio C. Gobbi, in my opinion the best interpretation of these patents, where he reports, among other things, of coreless induced coils, and where a mathematical approach is also given.
https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Engineering/Download/8688
Cheers
Hi matu,
Very interesting. Thanks.
bi
edit-addition.
If I am reading it correctly, the energy source is atmospheric charges. Quite different from Holcomb's iron electrons.
Hello
Yes, the author, who seems to be from Argentina, makes a good interpretation of the patents in Spanish, however, knowing that the obvious question will be "where does the excess energy come from", he accepts the articles published in the newspapers of the time as true. USA and especially to one of the correspondent in Cuba of the New York Times, in which he ironically refers to its atmospheric origin, something that days later Figuera himself categorically denies, however in my opinion he did make certain that the coils induced have an air core.
Cheers
Interesting document, thanks or sharing!
I think the explanation of atmospheric charges is wrong, it's explained as regular induction but without back-torque.
Inside the center coil both input coils induce an N field, but one grows and one shrinks, this way it's emulating movement of a magnet, so power is induced by motional E instead.
Forget Holcomb, try this 8)
No need for a special signal, one current must in crease, the other decrease, but the direction must create N towards the output coil. A linear current of di/dt is determined by VL/L, so just flip a -/+DC voltage, but current must remain positive.
edits
Quote from: matu on August 16, 2022, 11:38:23 AM
Hello
Yes, the author, who seems to be from Argentina, makes a good interpretation of the patents in Spanish, however, knowing that the obvious question will be "where does the excess energy come from", he accepts the articles published in the newspapers of the time as true. USA and especially to one of the correspondent in Cuba of the New York Times, in which he ironically refers to its atmospheric origin, something that days later Figuera himself categorically denies, however in my opinion he did make certain that the coils induced have an air core.
Cheers
I don't think that Figuera patents, which are freely available, have real data about the "zest" of his design.
If the "system" wants to hide something, it will hide it by slipping something that will be taken as true, but will be a lie.
off topic posts from our fisherman friend removed.
Quote from: matu on August 16, 2022, 07:12:03 AM
Hello, I see that this thread also talks about Clemente Figuera, so I decided to send this excellent work by Julio C. Gobbi, in my opinion the best interpretation of these patents, where he reports, among other things, of coreless induced coils, and where a mathematical approach is also given.
https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Engineering/Download/8688
Cheers
It remains unclear how, at low costs, 1.3 Tesla was obtained in the excitation core, already at the core pole the field will be equal to 1/2 Bm, how did this value manifest itself in the penetrating power vector of the detachable coil circuit? The formula gives just such a sense of induction. If the authors operated with numbers, then the full solution would be viewed.
The second, Counter magnetic fluxes on one conductor, will not induce anything, from the point of view of EMF. The argument based on electric fields is just an assumption, even if it is, then the static field must become vortex, and in the case of this combination, the transformation of static into vortex electric field is not even disclosed, and even if it is possible, in this case .
my mistake
More food for thought!
I ask materialists not to faint, there is no charge as a particle here!
See Graph
Hi,
I have some questions looking at this graph!!!!!!!!!!
If a factory has a period time, like the plant is not in production for a week for
Christmas break, will there be no electrical savings if the buildings power usage is
below the constant usage in the graph of the HES system? What I mean is will the
HES system then be the same cost as without the HES system during plant low usage times?
Does the technology need a minimal electrical usage before the system
has a COP > 1?
Could the replications of the Holcomb systems being tested below the threshold
of producing a COP > 1 be a COP>1 if they were tested to a larger load, would they then
come into the range of the HAS systems?
How can the current be so constant with changing loads?
Does the system use a battery backup system to store power on days of
little usage and then draws power from the batteries on high usage days?
Does the system store power to the battery banks at night when power is
lower cost and during the day draws power from the batteries when the
cost of electricity is more expensive in order to lower the overall cost
of the factory?
Lunkster
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 19, 2022, 07:00:15 AM
More food for thought!
I ask materialists not to faint, there is no charge as a particle here!
Rakker, you have a problem with your units in your table, see my image. That should be [volt], not [ampere].
And better check the rest of the table as well as there are more mistakes. I leave it up to you to find them.
Why? Only because official physics decided so.
A volt is a unit of measurement of an electric field, which is related to the Coulomb force of electricity and the "movement" of the electric field at the moment of its vortex state (EMF). Volts is a measure of an electric field, or rather to practice the potential difference of an electric potential for a circuit?
Amps are the "electrical" measurement of a vortex magnetic field. This unit of measurement is directly related to the magnetic field rotating around the conductor.
That's why I put it in its place. Everything falls into place.
If you don't agree, justify! )
The connection between the magnetic field and the electric field is in Ohm's law, where, in fact, the effect of balancing the difference in electric potentials through the formation of a vortex magnetic flux is calculated, provided that the vortex magnetic flux is capable of conduction. The electric field in a conductor is always a surface component of the field. To balance the electrical potentials, a medium is needed and this is not the material of the conductor, but a vortex magnetic field that it can form in this material. I(A) = U(V) / R(ohm)
Vortex magnetic field and electric field, plasma structured formations of the visible and invisible spectrum.
dphi/dt=emf[v]
u0=henry/meter
henry=dphi/di
You say dq/dt=henry/meter * dphi/dt but the units don't match.
Why do you think I/u0=volt or I=u0 * volt?
Because you didn't read the table carefully:
The table introduces the concept of charge, both electric vortex [qe] and magnetic vortex [qm]
see table: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg570053/#msg570053
Do not forget that the equation: [I = U / R] for a chain section, for a complete circuit with a source of a vortex electric field, the equation will take the form: [I = (E - U) / (R + r)]
The magnetic vortex field of a conductor is: B = u*u0*(I/2piR)
Quotehttps://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg570059/#msg570059
On the uniform input of power to the Holcomb generator, regardless of the load consumption.
It is this component that confirms that its device is a transgenerator. The excitation input will always be the same. He does not disclose the principle of his output circuits, since a voltage regulator must be installed at the output, otherwise, with a decrease in load (i.e. an increase in total resistance), the voltage at the terminals will increase. It is very, very difficult to regulate the transgenerator through the input current. So I am one hundred percent sure that the output block in the Holcomb generator is as complex as the organization of the excitation.
If I had not been involved in the design of the transgenerator, I would also have doubts.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 20, 2022, 02:15:54 AM
Why? Only because official physics decided so.
A volt is a unit of measurement of an electric field, which is related to the Coulomb force of electricity and the "movement" of the electric field at the moment of its vortex state (EMF). Volts is a measure of an electric field, or rather to practice the potential difference of an electric potential for a circuit?
Amps are the "electrical" measurement of a vortex magnetic field. This unit of measurement is directly related to the magnetic field rotating around the conductor.
That's why I put it in its place. Everything falls into place.
If you don't agree, justify! If you are from Russia, then your diagnosis is clear (there is a moment in your text that is inherent in the arrogance of Russians)
The connection between the magnetic field and the electric field is in Ohm's law, where, in fact, the effect of balancing the difference in electric potentials through the formation of a vortex magnetic flux is calculated, provided that the vortex magnetic flux is capable of conduction. The electric field in a conductor is always a surface component of the field. To balance the electrical potentials, a medium is needed and this is not the material of the conductor, but a vortex magnetic field that it can form in this material. I(A) = U(V) / R(ohm)
Vortex magnetic field and electric field, plasma structured formations of the visible and invisible spectrum.
Rakker, quite insulting your ethnic background comments. FYI I am in the US and not Russian. Please let's leave the politics out of this.
Anyway, you can pick your units in your table as you wish, but at least your equations in your table need to be consistent in terms of units that YOU pick and they are currently not. You can't have one row of your table assume certain units, yet another row is not consistent with that. Overall, all units need to be consistent (however YOU or CURRENT SCIENCE defines them)
Why don't you write out exactly for each different quantity below that you use what the units are"
E, H
D, B
eps0, mu0
current, voltage
Weber, Coulomb
q_E, q_M
phi_E, phi_M
Maybe you are redefining some units?
This is what current physics says:
E [V/m], H [A/m]
D [C/m2=As/m2], B [Wb/m2=Vs/m2]
eps0 [As/(Vm)] , mu0 [Vs/(Am)]
current [A], voltage [V]
Weber [Vs], Coulomb [As]
q_E [C=As], q_M [Wb=Vs]
phi_E [Vm], phi_M [Am]
So please make a post where you bold out what you changed compared to standard physics.
Then apply the formulas in your table and make sure YOUR units match.
You will see they don't as I will show below.
With the current units you have listed, the "Current" row doesn't match. You are stating there that [V]=[C/s] and [A]=[Wb/s], or in other words you have redefined [C]=[Vs] and [Wb]=[As]. Ordinary science says [C]=[As] and [Wb]=[Vs].
Anyway, let's use your new units and see where it goes wrong:
Applying your units to the "charge" row, you would get [C]=[eps_0]*[V/m]*[m2] --> [eps0]=[C/(Vm)]=[s/m] where I have used your new definition of [C]=[Vs]
Similarly you can look at the magnetic part of the "charge" row, you would get [Wb]=[mu0]*[A/m]*[m2] --> [mu0]=[Wb/(Am)]=[s/m].
So both eps0 and mu0 now have the same units [s/m]. We also know that sqrt(eps0*mu0)=1/(velocity of light), so this still holds. Everything still ok so far.
Now let's look at whether the definition of newton [N] still holds in your table.
Per your first rows (electrical) of the table [N/C]=[V/m], or [N]=[(VC)/m)] and with your definition of [C] = [Vs] this now equals [N]=[(V2 s)/m]
Per your first rows (magnetic) of the table [N/Wb]=[A/m], or [N]=[(A Wb)/m)] and with your definition of [Wb] = [As] this now equals [N]=[(A2 s)/m]
Clearly these two definitions of [N] are not the same and so your table is not correct.
And ordinary science says [N]=[(kg m)/s2]...
Anyway, I hope this shows you that your overall table is not correct as you have written it down. Maybe you had some other unit definitions in mind, but if so, please list them and check your table as I did above to make sure everything is consistent.
katsaps also live in the USA, but I agree we will not specify a dude without a name, who distorts other people's names.
Newton's first law is secondary in its ontogeny to Coulomb's law. Just look at the formulas.
In general, all gravity is the attraction of charged bodies.
The second physics considers Amperes to be the movement of electrically charged particles, which in fact is a gross mistake.
only a vortex electric field moves around the conductor. This is the parameter of electric charge change as a result of permeability. The current strength is a parameter of "conditional" resistance to a change in the electrical parameter, it has a vortex magnetic structure.
The vortex magnetic field and the vortex electric field are like twin brothers, but they have differences. The electric field along the conductor is a conical spiral from a higher potential to a lower one. A vortex magnetic field will always have equal potentials at the ends. This is a property of magnetic flux. The current strength is also the same in all parts of the circuit.
Rakarsky no name calling, no ethnic slurs. Post edited.thank you.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 20, 2022, 04:46:58 PM
katsaps also live in the USA, but I agree we will not specify a dude without a name, who distorts other people's names.
Newton's first law is secondary in its ontogeny to Coulomb's law. Just look at the formulas.
In general, all gravity is the attraction of charged bodies.
The second physics considers Amperes to be the movement of electrically charged particles, which in fact is a gross mistake.
only a vortex electric field moves around the conductor. This is the parameter of electric charge change as a result of permeability. The current strength is a parameter of "conditional" resistance to a change in the electrical parameter, it has a vortex magnetic structure.
The vortex magnetic field and the vortex electric field are like twin brothers, but they have differences. The electric field along the conductor is a conical spiral from a higher potential to a lower one. A vortex magnetic field will always have equal potentials at the ends. This is a property of magnetic flux. The current strength is also the same in all parts of the circuit.
Rakker, you can say all that above and with some things I agree (e.g. gravity force is very similar to electric charge force), but you still haven't addressed the fact that your units in your table are inconsistent as I have shown above. Your table needs corrections. It is not correct from a unit standpoint. And if you think it is, please list what units you use as standard units (e.g. V, A, m, s) and how other derived units are related to it (e.g. Coulomb and Weber).
If you can't do that, you lack the basic understanding that when writing down an equation, the units need to match on both sides of the equal sign.
I don't think anything to fix. Modern science is repelled in measurements, from the unit of electric charge (Coulomb).
That is: 1 Coulomb is the amount of charge that has passed through the cross section of the conductor, at a current strength of 1 A in a time of 1 s,
or current strength 1A = 1 Coulomb for 1 s.
I also associate the pendant with the volt:
By definition, the difference in electric potential between two points is equal to 1 volt if, to move a charge of 1 pendant from one point to another, work of 1 joule must be done on it. A volt is also equal to an electrical voltage that induces a direct current of 1 ampere at a power of 1 watt in an electrical circuit.
Now next:
By definition, a change in magnetic flux through a closed circuit at a rate of one Weber per second induces an EMF in this circuit equal to one volt.
All this is a vicious circle, logical chains, with science determining that Ampere is a unit of measurement for the strength of an electric current.
How does this same Current Force manifest itself in reality?
It manifests itself in the action of electromagnetic induction in a closed circuit.
The fact that the orthodox all agreed to consider this phenomenon as the movement of electrically charged particles is not confirmed in any way.
The current strength is directly related to the vortex magnetic field around the conductor.
From here we conclude that the current strength in the electrical system and the eddy magnetic field around the conductor are one and the same phenomenon, only in different measurement systems.
The movement is carried out by an electric field between potentials, and a magnetic vortex field (current strength) is a consequence with a different spin vector.
QuoteE - is the electric field strength (in SI units - V/m);
D - electrical induction (in SI units - C / m²);
H - is the magnetic field strength (in SI units - A/m);
B - magnetic induction (in SI units - T = Wb / m² = kg•s−2•A−1);
Quote from: pmgr on August 20, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Rakker, you can say all that above and with some things I agree (e.g. gravity force is very similar to electric charge force), but you still haven't addressed the fact that your units in your table are inconsistent as I have shown above. Your table needs corrections. It is not correct from a unit standpoint. And if you think it is, please list what units you use as standard units (e.g. V, A, m, s) and how other derived units are related to it (e.g. Coulomb and Weber).
If you can't do that, you lack the basic understanding that when writing down an equation, the units need to match on both sides of the equal sign.
pmgr,
I agree with you.
Rak's problems:
He confuses the variables with the units of measure. This leads to circular reasoning and flawed logic.
Magnetic flux (or the magnetic field) is not a vortex, as he claims.
He speaks of "strength" of current. Nonsensical. Current is a rate. Like velocity. Like saying strength of speed.
He does not comprehend basic physics and refuses to recognize proven universally accepted fundamental concepts and definitions.
I see no point to him.
bi
Your problem is stereotypes. I have a consideration of action in an electrical circuit. Current strength, a very controversial concept in physics, what does this phenomenon refer to? The concept of ordered charges? what charges? and why the only manifestation is a vortex magnetic field?
You are attached to Newton's law as the root cause, but progressive thinking physicists themselves put it on the third. The first is Coulomb's law. If we were attentive, we could find an interesting gradation in my materials that I post here.
I got the impression that such an opus about moving charges was introduced intentionally.
PS: my view of the problem only clarifies what is blurry. Namely, in the action of electromagnetic induction. The main thing is that everything corresponds to Ohm's law, where voltage and current are different elements.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 21, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
I got the impression that such an opus about moving charges was introduced intentionally.
I remember something about how we were told at school about an old experiment.
How a bay with a wire was untwisting, and abruptly stopped.
At the same time, voltage was fixed at the ends of the coil.
From which they concluded that the free electrons in the metal moved by inertia.
The whole problem is that the resistance of the conductor and the load is the resistance of its crystal lattice to the formation of a vortex magnetic field.
The electric field is a surface phenomenon for metallic conductors. You are well aware that these fields are parasitic for electrical engineering. To protect electrical appliances, the flow of electrical field formations into the ground is used. This is a grounding device.Electromagnetic induction is a circuit phenomenon when an existing electric field (internal element for dielectrics) is formed with a potential difference on metal contacts (surface element) closed in a circuit between the terminals and, in contrast to the movement of the electric field, arises to balance (magnetic vortex field). It is this moment that is written in the formula of electromagnetic induction:
E = -B or E = -Ф = [1V = -1Wb]
1V is the value of the electric field potential difference.
The force to balance the potential difference of the electric field, most likely arises from the Coulomb's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law
Electromagnetic induction of EMF guidance from a magnetic flux, this is the reverse process: Ф = -Е
The emerging magnetic vortex field, in fact, does not oppose the movement of the electric vortex flow, but rather accelerates the process.
By increasing the resistance of the circuit, by introducing a consumer load, we ourselves slow down this process. This is actually energy, to stretch the process of balancing the potential difference of the electric field, and use the magnetic vortex sweat for consumer purposes. If we do not introduce an increase in resistance, we get a very powerful balancing process with the formation of a very strong and destructive magnetic field, which you know as a "short circuit", i.e. our conditional twisting of the rope leads to its destruction.
The conductor and load resistance works like a twisted rope. By the way, those who are well versed in the topic and know everything about the skin effect will understand me more, I hope.
Just because the electric field will not move, the movement of the electric field is associated with a vortex. EMF is a vortex structure. The conductor creates a counter vortex magnetic field.
For me personally, there are several questions that have not yet been fully clarified. Current strength (vortex magnetic field) is a mandatory phenomenon or there are exceptions. Episodes are known when the Electric field was transmitted in a loopless version, without a vortex magnetic field (current strength) along one wire.
And where, in this case, does the voltage appear at the ends of the coil during its sharp braking?
There are no magnetic fields there. Perhaps they were specially shielded for the purity of the experiment.
Quote from: kolbacict on August 22, 2022, 02:20:42 AM
And where, in this case, does the voltage appear at the ends of the coil during its sharp braking?
There are no magnetic fields there. Perhaps they were specially shielded for the purity of the experiment.
Question for backfilling, how does a charge appear on an ebonite stick?
The unwinding of the conductor in insulation, the insulation in motion and its abrupt change in movement are probably the source of the electric potential.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 22, 2022, 02:26:52 AM
the insulation in motion and its abrupt change in movement are probably the source of the electric potential.
In such a case, there must obviously be the same potential at both ends of the coil. After stopped it.
But we have a potential difference.
Quote from: kolbacict on August 22, 2022, 03:10:04 AM
In such a case, there must obviously be the same potential at both ends of the coil. After stopped it.
But we have a potential difference.
Вольтметр не меряет электрические заряды, он меряет разность потенциалов. :D ;)
Of course perfect truth indeed.
Але провід у котушці-провідник, і якби на котушці з'явився
якийсь заряд, потенціал на обох кінцях був однаковий. :)
Why did you decide that the electric charge is a monopole. Any sign of "charge" is determined by the spin. But the charge cannot be a monopole, in any case it has the so-called fulcrum "0" and the electric induction vector, and its signs depend on the spin, this is for the charge area of static areas. In practice, around the conductor, the charge has the form of a spiral - EMF around the conductor. When measuring this charge, your instrument will always recognize it as the difference in spins at the ends of this conductor.
Since the material is directly related to the creation of solid-state and mechanical generators, I post the material in this thread
Can be read from the link http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_ld/0/42_ELECTROMAGNETIC.pdf
or download in attachment
Such an interesting moment! The first position of the EMF form is fully confirmed for the solid version, where the saturation in the core changes.
Someone noticed it, or no one paid attention to it.
This is the essential difference between a generator and a transformer.
This effect was noticed by me as well.
Only the coil was without a core.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 21, 2022, 05:53:08 AM
// a change in magnetic flux through a closed circuit at a rate of one Weber per second induces an EMF in this circuit //
Current Force//manifests itself in the action of electromagnetic induction in a closed circuit.
//orthodox all agreed // this phenomenon as the movement of electrically charged particles is not confirmed in any way.
The current strength is directly related to the vortex magnetic field around the conductor.
From here we conclude that the current strength in the electrical system and the eddy magnetic field around the conductor are one and the same phenomenon, only in different measurement systems.
The movement is carried out by an electric field between potentials, and a magnetic vortex field (current strength) is a consequence with a different spin vector.
I don't want long discussion with you just read this please:
Chirality in real time
QuoteThe method commonly used to detect enantiomers is circular dichroism (CD) spectroscopy.
It exploits the fact that light polarized into a circular wave (like a whirlpool) is absorbed differently by left-handed and right-handed enantiomers.
where light - is electromagnetic (and not magnetic) wave!!
if there is no electric field than there is no EM wave.
https://phys.org/news/2019-01-chirality-real.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-01-chirality-real.html)
-your vortex is not something unique
This one you would like:
https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lect2_magn.php (https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lect2_magn.php)
the Law of the total current.Vortex nature of the magnetic field Circulation of vector an arbitrary closed loop is the sum of current covered by the circuit
electric field, for which the circulation of the vector equal zero and the electrostatic field is potential, the circulation of the magnetic field is not zero
Solenoid is cylindrical shell, which are wound windings of wire.
Consider an infinitely long solenoid, ie solenoid which ℓ >> d, where ℓ - length , d–diameter of the coil.
Inside such a solenoid
magnetic field is uniform. Uniform is a field, the
field lines are parallel and their
density is constant. !!!!-if a path on which we consider the circulation
covers currents. Field, the circulation of which is non-zero, is called a
vortex or solenoidal.
Consequently,
the magnetic field is a vortex. In vortex field force lines are closed, therefore, there is no magnetic charges.
The section § 4:
-A magnetic field the solenoid and toroid is worth to be read too.https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lect2_magn.php (https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lect2_magn.php)
https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lecture_physics.php (https://database-physics-solutions.com/lecture/lecture_physics.php)
additional material for your interest:
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=aa1c7d7833c0820bJmltdHM9MTY2MTYwODYwNyZpZ3VpZD02Nzk3ZmVmYS0wYTE3LTQyYzgtOWMzMy00OGQxYzhiYWQwZTEmaW5zaWQ9NTM5NQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=17871034-2610-11ed-8416-352814480d5f&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubW9ub2FuZHN0ZXJlby5jb20vMjAyMi8wNi9uZXctYXVkaW8tZW5naW5lZXJzLWZvcmNlZmllbGQtcG93ZXIuaHRtbCM6fjp0ZXh0PU1hZ25ldGljJTIwVm9ydGV4LWZpZWxkJTIwVGVjaG5vbG9neSUyMHVzZXMlMjBtdWx0aS1wb2xhciUyMG5lb2R5bWl1bSUyMG1hZ25ldGljJTIwdW5pdHMsbW92ZW1lbnQlMjBvZiUyMGVsZWN0cm9ucyUyMHdpdGhpbiUyMGFuZCUyMGFsb25nJTIwdGhlJTIwY29uZHVjdG9yLg&ntb=1)
Problems with vortex:
some basics for you- https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/645871/the-direction-of-the-magnetic-field-around-a-conductor (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/645871/the-direction-of-the-magnetic-field-around-a-conductor)
Magnetic vortex core reversal by
excitation with short
bursts of an
alternating fieldQuotea curling magnetization, is one of the equilibrium configurations of soft magnetic materials// the exchange energy
QuoteThis curling magnetization turns out of the plane at the center of the vortex structure, in an area with a radius of about 10 nanometres—the vortex core
vortex // specific excitation mode: the in-plane gyration of the vortex structure //
controlled manipulation of the vortex core polarization is done by excitation with small bursts of an alternating magnetic field
//switching of the out-of-plane core polarization
.
curling%20magnetization (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature05240#:~:text=The%20vortex%20state%2C%20characterized%20by%20a%20curling%20magnetization%2C,energy%20favours%20an%20in-plane%2C%20closed%20flux%20domain%20structure.)
Wesley
Wesley, thanks for the reply! But I didn't convince, the more I immerse myself in this issue, the more the electronic version collapses. As for the solinoid, the same interesting feast. solenoid is inductance
L = Ф/I (1H = 1Wb/1A)
By the way, it is the solinoid that forms the vector magnetic flux, and if the solenoid has a core, it also has an independent core field. For me, this is a closed issue.
F Y I
Further development of the Holcomb varient (LinGen, amongst others)
by Solarlab, et. al. has been moved to a wide bandwidth Web Page type
environment to allow for more content, video streaming with indexing
and easy browsing.
Thanks go out to the OU folks for hosting this "Holcomb Energy System" thread.
Watch your PM for further details.
Best regards and good luck in your quest for OU!
Solarlab
Quote from: SolarLab on August 29, 2022, 02:13:53 PM
F Y I
Further development of the Holcomb varient (LinGen, amongst others)
by Solarlab, et. al. has been moved to a wide bandwidth Web Page type
environment to allow for more content, video streaming with indexing
and easy browsing.
Thanks go out to the OU folks for hosting this "Holcomb Energy System" thread.
Watch your PM for further details.
Best regards and good luck in your quest for OU!
Solarlab
Can you post a URL here?
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 27, 2022, 03:38:53 AM
Such an interesting moment! The first position of the EMF form is fully confirmed for the solid version, where the saturation in the core changes.
Someone noticed it, or no one paid attention to it.
This is the essential difference between a generator and a transformer.
In the first position of the Naudin diagram (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188216/image//), I doubted, since I received this form of EMF only when the magnet was removed and approached the core of the coil along the central axis of the magnet and the coil. The second time I got it already in solid-state version.
If the magnet is located on the rotor, the shape will be with humps (the same shape was obtained by Bedini on the Kromri generator (http://zaryad.com/forum/attachments/kromri-jpg.7102/)). In electrical engineering, in order to avoid two humps, a special rounded shape of the tip is made to obtain an even half of the sine wave.
Slides of one researcher, I put his drawings together (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/3119070.jpg).
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For a start, I wouldn't use relays. They are too wasteful.
Use a simple Fet circuit. You will have to protect it from back-EMF though.
Lota off topic post removed.
The choice of the direction of the current opposite to the true one cannot be called anything but paradoxical, but the reasons for such a discrepancy can be explained if we trace the history of the development of electrical engineering.
The fact is that electric charges began to be studied long before electrons were discovered, so the nature of charge carriers in metals was still unknown.
The concept of positive and negative charge was introduced by the American scientist and politician Benjamin Franklin.
In his work "Experiments and Observations on Electricity" (1747), Franklin made an attempt to theoretically explain electrical phenomena. It was he who first made the most important assumption about the atomic, "granular" nature of electricity: "Electrical matter consists of particles that must be extremely small."
Franklin believed that a body that accumulates electricity becomes positively charged, while a body that loses electricity becomes negatively charged. When they are connected, an excess positive charge flows to where it is lacking, that is, to a negatively charged body (by analogy with communicating vessels).
These ideas about the motion of positive charges were widely spread in scientific circles and entered the textbooks of physics. And so it turned out that the actual direction of movement of electrons in the conductor is opposite to the accepted direction of the electric current.
After the discovery of the electron, scientists decided to leave everything as it is, since a lot of things would have to be changed (and not only in textbooks) if the true direction of the current was indicated. This is also due to the fact that the sign of the charge practically does not affect anything, as long as everyone uses the same convention.
The true direction of electron movement is used only when necessary to explain certain physical effects in semiconductor devices (diodes, transistors, thyristors, etc.).
For understanding the nature of EMF and designing electromechanical and electromagnetic devices, this knowledge is crucial.
Quote from: Jimboot on September 04, 2022, 04:45:00 PM
Lota off topic post removed.
Hello Jim,
IMHO, I do not think DZ Generator (or anything related to) should be considered an "off topic" post...
DZ Generator by Pierre Cotnoir is the CLOSEST Thing we have so far, next to the Holcomb Technology.
The same, exact principle...
Which is Moving, Rotating the Magnetic Field to induce an Output.
Lota's post/video was about a replicator of such device.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on September 05, 2022, 08:39:18 AM
Hello Jim,
IMHO, I do not think DZ Generator (or anything related to) should be considered an "off topic" post...
DZ Generator by Pierre Cotnoir is the CLOSEST Thing we have so far, next to the Holcomb Technology.
The same, exact principle...
Which is Moving, Rotating the Magnetic Field to induce an Output.
Lota's post/video was about a replicator of such device.
Sincerely
Ufopolitics
Apologies if I have been too trigger happy. I'm new in the job. Lota if it's on topic post again. Needs context though so people know what it is they are clicking on. There is a lot of people interrupting threads to promote their own projects/ideas I did not check the video as the post simply linked to it without explanation like spam. Respectfully there are two other Holcomb threads on theory and alternate ideas if it's not build related.
published on LinkedIn today. [/size]"[size=78%]Yesterday was an important, happy day for Dr.[/size]Holcomb! Two new patents arrived in the mail: US[/size]11,418,103 B2 (the Holcomb Energy System[/size]powering turbo fan jets[/size]- no jet fuel, no battery[/size]recharge, no pollution...[/size]and turning every[/size]aircraft into a mobile power plant when it's back[/size]on the tarmac) and US 11,336,134 B2 (Solid-[/size]State Multi-Pole and Uni-Pole Electric Generator[/size]Rotor for AC/DC Electric Generators[/size]- a[/size]foundational patent to the HES suite of[/size]technologies). 15 years in the making, his patents[/size]are publishing, and more patents are issuing all[/size]over the world!" [size=78%][/size]https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6973690852594360320?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6973690852594360320?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios)[/size][/size]
https://fb.watch/fqyRV57shf/
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/663214878065461
Holcomb LinGen Controller Update
F.Y.I.
STM32F7xx Controller design is in Alpha Test and it's pretty inpressive so far!
Took longer than expected to design using the ARM HAL TIM functions but it does not impact the
main processor - had a long learning curve w.r.t. the TouchGFX (LCD/Touch display functions) but
it's pretty cool - easily sets/changes the "Sequence Time/Interactions" - nice engineering design
tool! New MOSFET & Drivers (US made) were also used - somewhat expensive but performed flawlessly.
Schematic and software might be uploaded to the web site soon. Keep an eye out...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on September 13, 2022, 02:07:24 AM
Holcomb LinGen Controller Update
F.Y.I.
STM32F7xx Controller design is in Alpha Test and it's pretty inpressive so far!
Took longer than expected to design using the ARM HAL TIM functions but it does not impact the
main processor - had a long learning curve w.r.t. the TouchGFX (LCD/Touch display functions) but
it's pretty cool - easily sets/changes the "Sequence Time/Interactions" - nice engineering design
tool! New MOSFET & Drivers (US made) were also used - somewhat expensive but performed flawlessly.
Schematic and software might be uploaded to the web site soon. Keep an eye out...
SL
I'm still watching my PM :)
Quote from: SolarLab on September 13, 2022, 02:07:24 AM
STM32F7xx Controller design is in Alpha Test and it's pretty inpressive so far!
No doubt, a digital microcontroller is a good thing. But maybe we underestimate the so-called analog computers ? Which until recently was very widely used. After all, the Turk circuit is nothing more than a simple analog computer. A computer that processes information about the position of the rotor and other things in real time, and converts this into the current of the stator coils. That's what came to my mind. ;)
How the Holcomb generator works, and how the Figer generator may have worked, I really hope that I will soon check my theoretical part.
In any case, why do we need a gap, or why do we need a shift of one pole relative to the other in iron cores, and many more points, for example, the magnetic flux is identical to the flow of liquid in a pipe, etc.
I will give my version of this mechanism.
Everything is absolutely real, based on traditional physics, with minor additions and clarifications.
Sincerely.
NASA-recommended meters confirm incredible HES performance!
https://www.facebook.com/serg.rakarskiy/posts/pfbid0xWCqKsZYyr9KHUyQUJDChiVR6peeaVqpz9pkcwvbortHZhYNpBGHitZSwpWAnNqjl
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/holcomb-energy-systems_power-energy-powergeneration-activity-6978015066746990592-GKsz?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
I've removed the PMs from this rotor. I'll be winding soon and reporting back.
Edit posted the wrong motor model. Can't see the images via ios in this forum. So hopefully only the rotor is showing.
What is this?
що це за пристрій?
Kolbacict
Good to see you ( just saying
Jimboot
Snip
From A History of the Theories of Aether and Electricity Vol 1, The Classical Theories p420
"The experiment of Tolman and Stewart gave a fairly direct proof that electric currents in metals are carried by "free" negative electrons.
A coil of wire was rotated at high speed and suddenly brought to rest: A pulse of electric current was produced, arising from the momentum of the electrons in the rotating coil, which caused them to continue in motion after the rotation of the coil had ceased.
End snip
A cousin ? (Thanks to Francois (F6) for wiki link )
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart%E2%80%93Tolman_effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart%E2%80%93Tolman_effect)
Snip above is from Member ION ( posted here as Vortex 1 link below.....
Was his very first post on this forum in 2006 )
https://overunity.com/1725/towards-an-acoustic-resonator-theory/msg18116/#msg18116 (https://overunity.com/1725/towards-an-acoustic-resonator-theory/msg18116/#msg18116)
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Jim
Please feel free to remove anything not appropriate to ....?
Thanks for all you do for open source FE community...greatly appreciated!!
Quote from: kolbacict on September 23, 2022, 03:39:34 AM
What is this?
що це за пристрій?
It could be Pandora's box!
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/sor_2_7_ssg/3-1-0-156 (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/sor_2_7_ssg/3-1-0-156)
Quote from: rakarskiy on September 26, 2022, 02:10:36 AM
It could be Pandora's box!
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/sor_2_7_ssg/3-1-0-156 (http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/sor_2_7_ssg/3-1-0-156)
I removed the insult bit.
Well in addition to Holcomb being in harms way in Florida ( hurricane Ian)
We also have members and builders there !
Hope things go OK ... Mother Nature is a "tuff situation!"
If only we could tap the power of this storm and put it to work (FE work !)
Someday perhaps...
Respectfully
Chet K
For those wondering how the Holcomb folks fared in the hurricane, the attached was posted on their Instagram page today.
Let's move on!
My concept that the rate of change of magnetic induction in the core directly affects the magnitude of the EMF is fully confirmed, there are also a few more points that still have to be explained.
In any case, as I think, I'm going to the finish line.
Here's the first huge breakthrough of HES!
https://fb.watch/g5-3Fybmlk/
Hello,
This is a very interesting video.
The video says that the Mu-metal and shielding
was the breakthrough in reducing the braking.
What about the electrical steel?
Is the Mu-metal the electrical steel?
Since they had the breakthrough with reconfiguring
an off the shelf device with mu-metal
for shielding the rotor, will doing the same thing
to other motor and generator designs reducing the
braking affect in those designs as well?
Is what is called braking in the video the same
as removing most of the back-EMF affect on
the device?
What is the simplest design that can be built
to do this. Once the simplest design is demonstrated
Then this can be expanded into many other devices.
Lunkster
Quote from: Lunkster on October 12, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
The video says that the Mu-metal and shielding
was the breakthrough in reducing the braking.
What about the electrical steel?
Is the Mu-metal the electrical steel?
From reading his patents, I get the feeling he uses the two terms
electrical steel and
Mu-metal as both magnetic material. The difference has to do with when in the
construction process the material is used. The electrical steel is used early in thin sheets
to form the structure of the rotor or stator. When he uses the Mu-metal is later on after
the structure is built and wound with wire. For instance, you could fabricate the electrical
steel laminates without slots, having only holes for placing the wire coils. If you did this
it would be extremely difficult to pack the wire in there once you stacked all the laminates.
Instead, you fabricate your laminates with hole/slots where the circumference is touching the
edge, form your coils, place them into these hole/slots from the side and lastly cover the exposed edge with
Mu-metal. You end up with basically the same thing, only the later method is far easier
to manufacture.
Quote from: Lunkster on October 12, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
Since they had the breakthrough with reconfiguring
an off the shelf device with mu-metal
for shielding the rotor, will doing the same thing
to other motor and generator designs reducing the
braking affect in those designs as well?
That's a great question. I would suspect manufacturers to be doing this if it improves
efficiency significantly.
Quote from: Lunkster on October 12, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
Is what is called braking in the video the same
as removing most of the back-EMF affect on
the device?
That's how in interpret it. If you can spin an unloaded generator with a tiny motor and
then connect the generator to a load circuit and not have the generator reduce speed
in the process, you've successfully eliminated braking.
If I recall correctly, that was the basic aspect of all those Q-mo-gen devices we saw
when Sterling Allan was covering them--large generator with a much smaller motor.
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhWHm4pjpk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhWHm4pjpk)
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg571235/#msg571235
Braking in electromechanical generators is overcoming the electromagnetic attraction of the rotor / stator. I know of only two designs that were announced with a partial elimination of this phenomenon.
1) Robert Adams (Karl Latmmer's patent is a prime example https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetic-generator-cop-12.html)
2) Electric generator Tewari RLG (efficiency-275%) https://www.tewari.org/invention.html
The Holcomb generator is probably already the third system that solves the problem of reactive rotor / armature reaction (electromagnetic braking).
Hi Everyone;
Would it be possible to scale down the Holcomb effect with wire wound small Toroids with a controller rather than a big rewound generator?
Thanks
Quote from: Goat on October 17, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
Hi Everyone;
Would it be possible to scale down the Holcomb effect with wire wound small Toroids with a controller rather than a big rewound generator?
Thanks
Hi Goat,
Please define "Holcomb effect".
Also, see the simulation and analysis presented by member SolarLab which he calls LinGen, short for linear generator which Holcomb developed in a size of a smart phone battery.
bi
How to overcome the cancellations of magnetic fileds.
[ 0139 ] The structure of rotor laminates and rotor windings
must be altered in order to operate as a functional rotating
magnetic field . When a conventional bipolar rotor is wired
and excited such that both poles of the rotor are either north
pole or south pole , i.e. , north - north or south - south , the
internal poles cancel a large portion of the external magnetic
flux . As is discussed below with respect to FIGS . 46-51 , the
external flux dropped from 4000 gauss to 100 gauss for a
40 - fold deterioration in flux density when the polarity was
changed from north - south to north - north or south - south .
[ 0140 ] In order to correct this deterioration issue , uni
pole solid state rotor may be constructed such that the poles
of a uni - pole rotor which opposes another pole of a uni - pole
rotor by 180 ° is actually wound and constructed as two
complete dipole magnets , combined and separated by mu
metal - steel flux return structure positioned between the two
dipoles .
Quote from: Feb2006 on October 18, 2022, 07:42:22 PM
...When a conventional bipolar rotor is wired
and excited such that both poles of the rotor are either north
pole or south pole , i.e. , north - north or south - south , the
internal poles cancel a large portion of the external magnetic
flux...
Hello Feb2006,
Sorry but I disagree with the above statement.
In any conventional
bipolar rotor (or Exciter on a typical Generator) are wound in order that it always set a North on one end and a South on the other side, 180º apart.
Meaning North-South orientation.
N<O>SNever heard of a Generator which have all South or all North poles...
A Natural (not forced) Magnetic "chain" config (eg:N/S-N/S) would always "ADD" Forces to the Main Field.
Or simply, I did not understand the full paragraph essence...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on October 18, 2022, 01:08:21 AM
Hi Goat,
Please define "Holcomb effect".
Also, see the simulation and analysis presented by member SolarLab which he calls LinGen, short for linear generator which Holcomb developed in a size of a smart phone battery.
bi
Hi Bistander
Maybe I should have wrote: Can we duplicate the effect that Mr. Holcomb is doing by using Toroids to get a rotating magnetic field rather than generator stator and rotor steel. Forget the "Holcomb effect" as it was a mistake on my part.
And after thinking about it some it seems the toroid would be axial flux not radial.
My bad :P
Quote from: Ufopolitics on October 19, 2022, 09:22:57 AM
Hello Feb2006,
Sorry but I disagree with the above statement.
In any conventional bipolar rotor (or Exciter on a typical Generator) are wound in order that it always set a North on one end and a South on the other side, 180º apart.
Meaning North-South orientation. N<O>S
Never heard of a Generator which have all South or all North poles...
A Natural (not forced) Magnetic "chain" config (eg:N/S-N/S) would always "ADD" Forces to the Main Field.
Or simply, I did not understand the full paragraph essence...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics
If you look at the pictures in fig.22 it's only two magnetic poles
N and S the same as a conventional rotor, in fig.23 it's four magnetic
poles two S and two N look att the difference in winding between 22 and 23.
So more than two magnetic poles makes a cancelation and what Holcomb says is how
to overcome that cancelation.
I think that Holcombs devices works without that extra winding but at a lower output.
The easiest Holcomb build is the LinGen only a North and a South Pole but even there
He uses mu metal to make the device thinner.
He really makes magic with magnetic fields.
You do not correctly represent the work of a conventional synchronous generator. Electrical engineers have such a term to put into operation or excite a magnetic field (a rotating field). This field is not in the rotor, it is in the stator yoke, the main source of its induction is the current strength from the phase wires in the stator. The task of the electromagnets of the rotor, through the rods of the grooves, is to entrain this field for movement.
The most optimal scheme for creating this rotating field in the stator yoke is a four-pole system, we observe it in the working models of the HES.
The problem is that the parameters: inductance, permeability, magnetic saturation are non-linear in the process of excitation and change. Also, these parameters will be different at full load of the generator phases.
It is very difficult to work with a closed field in a ring core through a system of switching electromagnets, it is like an EDA keeper.
Ufopolitics
To clarify a little I have marked the mu metal blue in fig.23.
And rakarskiy I don't understand what's your point ?
It's just a bunch of words no clarification or contribution .....
Quote from: rakarskiy on October 20, 2022, 12:49:09 AM
Now is the time to launch mini power plants in Ukraine. Well, you know what I mean ...
Now your time has come. Or let Holcomb donate one station as a charity or by counted lend-lease. :)
You also had a certain Andrey Ermola. Which promised to solve all energy problems ten years ago.
Why don't we hear about him?
p.s.
I would even add that to supply several Holcomb generators for Ukraine would be a good marketing ploy for the his company. This action would be appreciated.
Quote from: kolbacict on October 22, 2022, 03:37:59 AM
Now is the time to launch mini power plants in Ukraine. Well, you know what I mean ...
Now your time has come. Or let Holcomb donate one station as a charity or by counted lend-lease. :)
You also had a certain Andrey Ermola. Which promised to solve all energy problems ten years ago.
Why don't we hear about him?
p.s.
I would even add that to supply several Holcomb generators for Ukraine would be a good marketing ploy for the his company. This action would be appreciated.
Turkey is much closer ( http://www.hmsbturk.com/tr/urunler/ )
I think if there is a will, everything will be.
Personally, I try my best to finish what I started, I hope I will have time.
stations according to these technologies, you need too many stations to solve the problems that Russian cannibals are creating in Ukraine.
Quote from: rakarskiy on October 20, 2022, 12:49:09 AM
The most optimal scheme for creating this rotating field in the stator yoke is a four-pole system,
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE)
:) ;)
Do you mean that it is the most optimal for a HES ?
Because a four-pole system isn't always the most optimal for a conventional
synchronous generator.
Take a look att the video .
In mechanical generators, the field source is permanent magnets or electromagnets, which are the source of a constant field. In the system of a solid-state generator, the control of the switching of electromagnets requires the solution of several tasks, to create the actual starting magnetic field, and after the field has been excited from the phase, to organize its movement in the stator yoke. Coils have a lot of problems to solve, to the plane of their switching organization. There you need to fulfill too many conditions to keep the field in the stator during the loaded phase, and even ensure the linearity of the change in the magnetic induction in the rods of the stator slots. For the dipole version, it seems simple and you will get the result, but you need power.
An interesting patent from Japan and the main priority date.
https://patents.google.com/patent/JP2004140991A/ja
Answer me the question, how do we know that power is induced on the secondary(rotor) winding precisely from the rotation of the magnetic field.?
And not by direct induction, well, as in a conventional transformer. ???
And in general, how can we differentiate these two phenomena,for use only moving field in space but not in time ?
Quote from: kolbacict on October 25, 2022, 04:03:17 AM
Answer me the question, how do we know that power is induced on the secondary(rotor) winding precisely from the rotation of the magnetic field.?
And not by direct induction, well, as in a conventional transformer. ???
And in general, how can we differentiate these two phenomena,for use only moving field in space but not in time ?
Hi kolbacict,
if you look at this thread here you will see some experiments I did using a couple of modified alternators. There are some videos there of my testing. In one of those videos I allowed the rotor to turn with the rotating magnetic field. Very little current was induced into the rotor. Then I locked the rotor and with all other parameters the same the current went up in the rotor. To me this seemed to prove the rotation of the magnetic field is the primary source of induced current into the locked rotor.
https://overunity.com/19222/maybe-possible-idea-for-duplicating-effect-of-holcomb-and-others/
That was a good question.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: kolbacict on October 25, 2022, 04:03:17 AM
Answer me the question, how do we know that power is induced on the secondary(rotor) winding precisely from the rotation of the magnetic field.?
And not by direct induction, well, as in a conventional transformer. ???
And in general, how can we differentiate these two phenomena,for use only moving field in space but not in time ?
Easy. Look at the frequency.
bi
Quote from: citfta on October 25, 2022, 05:21:09 AM
In one of those videos I allowed the rotor to turn with the rotating magnetic field. Very little current was induced into the rotor. Then I locked the rotor and with all other parameters the same the current went up in the rotor.
Carroll
Yes, I also had a similar one with an electric motor with a phase rotor and three brushes.
But why then, when I put the position of the rotor exactly opposite the stator poles, the output voltage increases than when the rotor is between the poles. For a rotating field, this shouldn't matter.
QuoteEasy. Look at the frequency.
bi
What frequency are you talking about? I have only one output frequency, the one that comes to the input (stator) from my frequency converter.
If you allow the rotor to turn with the rotating magnetic field the frequency of signal on the rotor goes down because it is staying almost in step with the rotating field. When you stop the rotor the frequency on the rotor goes up because the rotating field is moving faster in relation to the rotor than it was when the rotor was free to rotate. This shows that the rotating field is inducing the current into the fixed rotor.
The reason you get better transfer between the rotor and stator at certain positions is because of the position of the coils in both. In some positions the stator coils have a cancelling effect on the magnetic field because of the overlapping of the coils. I also found that there were certain positions of the rotor coil in relation to the stator coils that produced the best transfer of energy. I hope these explanations help you some.
Carroll
Quote from: citfta on October 25, 2022, 10:36:36 AM
If you allow the rotor to turn with the rotating magnetic field the frequency of signal on the rotor goes down because it is staying almost in step with the rotating field. When you stop the rotor the frequency on the rotor goes up because the rotating field is moving faster in relation to the rotor than it was when the rotor was free to rotate.
Carroll
Here I agree. I have even more to say. I tried to rotate the rotor in the opposite direction by a other motor.
The output power in this case is further increased.
Maybe all our problems are because we cannot completely exclude the influence of direct induction from the primary coil to the secondary coil. And use only a rotating magnetic field to transfer energy? ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on October 25, 2022, 11:15:12 AM
Maybe all our problems are because we cannot completely exclude the influence of direct induction from the primary coil to the secondary coil. And use only a rotating magnetic field to transfer energy? ;)
@Kolbacict,
That was exactly the reason why I proposed a way to independently rotate the Magnetic Field (with my mechanical Rotary Switch) from the Input to the Rotor or Exciting Field.
Once you have this setup, it is MUCH easier to know what you are saying, about "Flux Linkage" or "Direct Induction"...versus Induced Flux.
So, say I am setting an "X" Input...and getting an Output "Y"...while rotating the switch...at Z Speed.
The minute that I stop the Rotary switch, still with Input power ON "X" to Rotor, the Induced Output Stator "Y" collapses to zero.
And so, even slowing down rotation, it will drop down the output...
I have a video lighting an incandescent bulb...showing exactly that in order to clarify your question now.
DEMONSTRATION OF FIELD ROTATION IS WHAT IS GENERATING ENERGY OUTPUT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZgO9ScLczw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZgO9ScLczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZgO9ScLczw)
And that was a while back... :)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
The EMF in the wire (L) of the winding of the generator stator core laid in the groove is always induced from a change in the magnetic field (B) at the rate of change of this flux (V).
E = (B*V)*L
This is how you organize the time-ordered change (B*V) of the formula part, and just like that, you get E = -dФ/dt.
Actually, physics explains everything, execution is a purely engineering solution, or rather technology.
Quote from: rakarskiy on October 26, 2022, 05:58:39 AM
This is how you organize the time-ordered change (B*V) of the formula part, and just like that, you get E = -dФ/dt.
Actually, physics explains everything, execution is a purely engineering solution, or rather technology.
Fundamental moment. EMF is determined only by the change in the magnetic field over time.
And this change in the magnetic field in time is a consequence of the change in the field in space?
And Holcomb was able to successfully convert one to the other?
Quote from: kolbacict on October 26, 2022, 11:15:31 AM
Fundamental moment. EMF is determined only by the change in the magnetic field over time.
And this change in the magnetic field in time is a consequence of the change in the field in space?
And Holcomb was able to successfully convert one to the other?
Time and Space are not separated, but they are different parameters, then you can not "convert" one into the other...
When you "change" a Magnetic Field in Time, it also displace the Magnetic Field in Space.
Whether you Rotate, Reflect, Increase or Decrease the Volumen of a Magnetic Field, you are also moving it, translating the Field in Space.
Plus, if you consider "Time" as a fourth Dimension (the other three (3) x,y,z are enclosing Space) then you will have a single word: Spacetime (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spacetime)
Read Edward Minkowski (Not Rakarskyi) Spacetime ;D
He was Einstein Math Profesor...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on October 26, 2022, 12:03:16 PM
When you "change" a Magnetic Field in Time, it also displace the Magnetic Field in Space.
Whether you Rotate, Reflect, Increase or Decrease the Volumen of a Magnetic Field, you are also moving it, translating the Field in Space.
Does the magnetic field change in space in an ordinary classical transformer with two windings, where nothing moves anywhere? Unlike, for example, a classical generator with a rotating rotor?
Yes the magnetic field is constantly changing in a transformer because of the AC power applied to the transformer. A transformer will not work if DC power is applied to the primary because the magnetic field would not be changing.
Quote from: citfta on October 26, 2022, 02:37:19 PM
A transformer will not work if DC power is applied to the primary because the magnetic field would not be changing.
Is there a magnetic field that changes in space in there ? I guess only in time.
Quote from: kolbacict on October 26, 2022, 02:49:20 PM
Is there a magnetic field that changes in space in there ? I guess only in time.
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. If it didn't change in space then how could it change in time? With 60 hz AC power applied to the primary of a transformer the magnetic field builds up in one polarity and then collapses and rebuilds in the opposite polarity 120 times a second. That is a field that changes in space and time.
Quote from: citfta on October 26, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. If it didn't change in space then how could it change in time? With 60 hz AC power applied to the primary of a transformer the magnetic field builds up in one polarity and then collapses and rebuilds in the opposite polarity 120 times a second. That is a field that changes in space and time.
And in the case of rotation of the rotor with permanent magnets, is there a difference from transformer ? Maybe there is something else there? ;)
Quote from: citfta on October 26, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. If it didn't change in space then how could it change in time? With 60 hz AC power applied to the primary of a transformer the magnetic field builds up in one polarity and then collapses and rebuilds in the opposite polarity 120 times a second. That is a field that changes in space and time.
Hi citfta,
I don't see the change in space (meaning change of position). Take a single phase transformer connected to the 60Hz mains with a simple resistor load. The magnetic circuit or core has the
B field.
B is constantly changing magnitude reversing polarity 120 times a second, but it is not moving. The
B vector remains in the same location. The only 'changing flux' term in the equation is due to magnitude change with respect to time. Show me where I'm wrong.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on October 26, 2022, 02:25:48 PM
Does the magnetic field change in space in an ordinary classical transformer with two windings, where nothing moves anywhere? Unlike, for example, a classical generator with a rotating rotor?
Of course the Magnetic Field moves in Space in ANY Transformer!!
Just like Citfta mentioned...only thing is that YOU will have to "visualize it"... ;D
Every time the Field is generated by AC with a Positive side of the sinewave, it contructs a field in one direction...to then "shrink", "contract" to zero to grow up again into the opposite direction when the AC sinewave is Negative...so, like Citfta said, that takes place 120 times in a second...
Can you see it?...of course not!!
No one can see it ...but it does takes place just like that.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on October 26, 2022, 04:34:31 PM
Hi citfta,
I don't see the change in space (meaning change of position). Take a single phase transformer connected to the 60Hz mains with a simple resistor load. The magnetic circuit or core has the B field. B is constantly changing magnitude reversing polarity 120 times a second, but it is not moving. The B vector remains in the same location. The only 'changing flux' term in the equation is due to magnitude change with respect to time. Show me where I'm wrong.
bi
Hi Bistander,
In order for the Field to go from max top of sinewave is a full expansion of the field spectrum, then when sinewave goes to zero, field shrinks to zero in previous config...to comeback with opposite polarization.
It is not about traveling linearly in space, either in a straight line or in a circle...but expanding and contracting.
A Balloon is a pefect example...in the same place (not rotating, not travelling in a line), when it is fully inflated versus when is empty...it is using different space, space is also changing.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on October 26, 2022, 03:36:15 PM
And in the case of rotation of the rotor with permanent magnets, is there a difference from transformer ? Maybe there is something else there? ;)
Hi kolbacict,
The way I see it is you can have changing flux with regards to time without flux motion (or change of position). However, staying away from QM, you cannot have changing flux due to motion without changing time.
You can't get from point A to point B in zero time. But you can go from 1.0T to 0.5T at point A, a fixed location or x,y,z coordinate in space.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on October 26, 2022, 04:43:03 PM
Hi Bistander,
In order for the Field to go from max top of sinewave is a full expansion of the field spectrum, then when sinewave goes to zero, field shrinks to zero in previous config...to comeback with opposite polarization.
It is not about traveling linearly in space, either in a straight line or in a circle...but expanding and contracting.
A Balloon is a pefect example...in the same place (not rotating, not travelling in a line), when it is fully inflated versus when is empty...it is using different space, space is also changing.
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
I hear you, but don't agree that your analogy applies. Like, how much space is 2 volts compared to 5 volts?
bi
edit: Ufo, do you still believe that magnetic flux flows? That may be an issue.
Just a quick chime in, but have to agree w bistander. It's funny, because the magnetic field is really only the side effect of the gradient or curl of the vector potential/gradient or curl in the flow of energy (not electrons) and the induced e field to the acceleration/deceleration of that flow.
I think we are discussing the same idea but just using different terminology. Let's apply 2 volts to a coil. Now bring a compass slowly towards the coil. Mark at what point does the compass swing towards the coil? Now increase the voltage to the 5 volts that bi suggested. Now again slowly bring the compass towards the coil. You will see that from the compass's point of view the magnetic field is larger. So did the field move or just increase in strength?
The energy induced into a coil is caused by a changing magnetic field. Whether that is caused by the change in strength of the field or the field actually moving the coil doesn't care.
Can we move that field more efficiently without any back torque by doing it electronically instead of mechanically? That is the question I think we are trying to answer. Technically we aren't really moving the magnetic field when we do it electronically because we aren't moving the coils that are generating the field. But it does appear from our tests so far that the fixed rotor is responding as if the magnetic field was actually rotating. We see this because as we rotate our magnetic field faster we get a higher output even though our input power to the rotating field remains the same.
Carroll
Quote from: citfta on October 26, 2022, 07:26:17 PM
I think we are discussing the same idea but just using different terminology. Let's apply 2 volts to a coil. Now bring a compass slowly towards the coil. Mark at what point does the compass swing towards the coil? Now increase the voltage to the 5 volts that bi suggested. Now again slowly bring the compass towards the coil. You will see that from the compass's point of view the magnetic field is larger. So did the field move or just increase in strength?
Increased magnitude in this example
The energy induced into a coil is caused by a changing magnetic field. Whether that is caused by the change in strength of the field or the field actually moving the coil doesn't care.
Can we move that field more efficiently without any back torque by doing it electronically instead of mechanically?
I disagree that efficiency is a factor. Efficiency is about losses. What Holcomb claims is bringing free energy into the system and adding it to the output. Without a movable rotor, torque is inconsequential because it represents no power and zero energy.
That is the question I think we are trying to answer. Technically we aren't really moving the magnetic field when we do it electronically because we aren't moving the coils that are generating the field.
The properly synthetized RMF from a 3-phase stator actually does move the magnetic flux around the air gap. That's why you get no induction when the rotor is at synchronous speed.
But it does appear from our tests so far that the fixed rotor is responding as if the magnetic field was actually rotating. We see this because as we rotate our magnetic field faster we get a higher output even though our input power to the rotating field remains the same.
Carroll
Hi citfta,
Comments inserted in
bold.
bi
I propose an experiment. There are so-called magnetic gearboxes that transmit mechanical torque.
In it, the input shaft is a rotating permanent magnet. And it really works. :)
If we replace this rotor-magnet with Holcomb's virtual rotating field, and this also works, then our rotating field is true. If our gearbox does not change the rotation speed, that is, it does not work, then this is an illusion.
Quote from: kolbacict on October 27, 2022, 01:53:41 AM
I propose an experiment. There are so-called magnetic gearboxes that transmit mechanical torque.
In it, the input shaft is a rotating permanent magnet. And it really works. :)
If we replace this rotor-magnet with Holcomb's virtual rotating field, and this also works, then our rotating field is true. If our gearbox does not change the rotation speed, that is, it does not work, then this is an illusion.
Hi kolbacict,
What you describe is simply a synchronous motor. Using that gearbox part would require an impractical stator due to pole count. Take a read in an engineering textbook chapter on synchronous machines.
bi
Quote from: bistander on October 26, 2022, 04:51:16 PM
Hi Ufo,
I hear you, but don't agree that your analogy applies. Like, how much space is 2 volts compared to 5 volts?
Hi Bi,
Space is defined by x,y,z 3D axis, as is also Volumen.
Yes, there is a difference in a Field generated by 2V versus a 5V...it is easy to see it with any magnetic viewing film, in ANY angle you see it around the generating coil or PM.
The Magnetic Field is propagated beyond (in Space) of the coil/core or PM embodiment which generates it.
Quote from: bistander on October 26, 2022, 04:51:16 PM
edit: Ufo, do you still believe that magnetic flux flows? That may be an issue.
I am not going to start a debate here, about the way I see "flux"...
I will just leave you here, the meaning of the word "flux" as first hit whenever you search it on Google.
Flux: 1- the action or process of flowing or flowing out.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on October 27, 2022, 08:10:53 AM
Hi Bi,
<snip>
I am not going to start a debate here, about the way I see "flux"...
I will just leave you here, the meaning of the word "flux" as first hit whenever you search it on Google.
Flux: 1- the action or process of flowing or flowing out.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Yes. No need for you and I to go around on this again. But for other readers, it is incorrect to Google "flux". Need to find proper definition of "magnetic flux". "Magnetic flux" is not "flux".
bi
Quote from: bistander on October 27, 2022, 08:59:34 AM
Hi Ufo,
Yes. No need for you and I to go around on this again. But for other readers, it is incorrect to Google "flux". Need to find proper definition of "magnetic flux". "Magnetic flux" is not "flux".
bi
bi: IF magnetic flux is not flux, then what is it? I am one of the "others", and I'm all ears.
Magnetic flux, by wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux)
Perhaps the above definition, needs a more proper definition, or not?
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on October 27, 2022, 09:30:58 AM
bi: IF magnetic flux is not flux, then what is it? I am one of the "others", and I'm all ears.
Thanks,
NickZ
P.S. Magnetic flux, by wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux)
Hi NickZ,
"Flux describes any effect that appears to pass or travel (whether it actually moves or not) through a surface or substance. Flux is a concept in applied mathematics and vector calculus which has many applications to physics."
From the first link at the end of the article that you referenced.
You can certainly find better definitions/explanations of magnetism and magnetic flux than what I can post. I do recall article(s) stating that historically it was a mistake to call or refer to magnetism as "flux" and it was due to misconceptions of early researchers/scientists, but the errant term has stuck to this day. Unfortunately.
bi
Quote from: bistander on October 27, 2022, 09:59:26 AM
Hi NickZ,
"Flux describes any effect that appears to pass or travel (whether it actually moves or not) through a surface or substance. Flux is a concept in applied mathematics and vector calculus which has many applications to physics."
From the first link at the end of the article that you referenced.
You can certainly find better definitions/explanations of magnetism and magnetic flux than what I can post. I do recall article(s) stating that historically it was a mistake to call or refer to magnetism as "flux" and it was due to misconceptions of early researchers/scientists, but the errant term has stuck to this day. Unfortunately.
bi
bi: Thanks for the clarification.
The idea that "magnetic flux", may not actually travel, is worth looking into. As it may be the secret behind free energy, and Open Systems, without draining any input source.
So called Sun Light, also, does not actually travel or move as we know it, there is nothing traveling, any more than a wave in the ocean, does not travel, either. Nor is so called "Sunlight" actually created by the Sun, and then "travels" to Earth. What we call Sunlight, is created on Earth, but is polarized by the Sun, instead. I know that most of you may not agree, that's ok, I know that it's not what we've been told, but, just remember about what I said about sunlight, magnetism, and even gravity, not "traveling", nor "moving" Some of you will "get it". Even though most of you will not. I expect that, as well.
The idea is to not kill the dipole, nor to expect a gain from energy "traveling". That is, only, if free energy is the idea...
As cosmic flux, of the "cosmic soup", or Aether harvesting, is what I'm after. As was mentioned by Tesla.
NickZ
1971 video about magnetic motors related to this discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiYsRi2Dss&t=444s
Quote from: bistander on October 27, 2022, 07:54:12 AM
Hi kolbacict,
What you describe is simply a synchronous motor. Using that gearbox part would require an impractical stator due to pole count. Take a read in an engineering textbook chapter on synchronous machines.
bi
Yes, but why, as stated, the efficiency of magnetic gearboxes is very high?
even more than conventional mechanical ones? Let the reducer increase the speed moving of the magnetic field for free. 8)
Quote from: kolbacict on October 27, 2022, 11:33:38 AM
Let the reducer increase the speed moving of the magnetic field for free. 8)
I understand the same can be done by increasing the rpm of your mechanical commutator.
Nice device. I haven't done it yet. But we still have a long way to go.
Posts on Holcomb website and Instagram page today state they have partnered with Astra Energy Inc to commercialize their In-Line-Power-Generator as noted in this press release:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html
Quote from: Beginners Mind on October 31, 2022, 02:35:28 PM
Posts on Holcomb website and Instagram page today state they have partnered with Astra Energy Inc to commercialize their In-Line-Power-Generator as noted in this press release:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html
Astra Energy company does not look like a strong enough company for
HES to work with if the HES device is so great?
I do not understand this move?
This move places more question marks in my mind than any WOW factor.
Lunkster
Rolling out in infrastructure projects in Africa https://youtu.be/qNunnllwtFs (https://youtu.be/qNunnllwtFs)
Quote from: Lunkster on October 31, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
Astra Energy company does not look like a strong enough company for
HES to work with if the HES device is so great?
I do not understand this move?
This move places more question marks in my mind than any WOW factor.
Lunkster
Probably they just need a move and disclosure, dissemination of information. As a matter of fact there is a silent hushing up of technology.
Quote from: Jimboot on October 31, 2022, 06:23:14 PM
Rolling out in infrastructure projects in Africa https://youtu.be/qNunnllwtFs (https://youtu.be/qNunnllwtFs)
It'd better if he rolling out his project in ukraine. >:(
Quote from: rakarskiy on November 01, 2022, 09:12:39 AM
Probably they just need a move and disclosure, dissemination of information. As a matter of fact there is a silent hushing up of technology.
Sir,
The world needs the opposite of hushing of life and planet saving technologies!
Can you share anything which is hushed ?(to build or replicate here ?)
So we can help our planet and it's most desperate ( in the process ourselves and next generation)?
And our friend above ( captain K)
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: rakarskiy on November 01, 2022, 09:12:39 AM
Probably they just need a move and disclosure, dissemination of information. As a matter of fact there is a silent hushing up of technology.
Rakarskiy, Holbomb's published patents hardly qualify as "a silent hushing up of technology!" You just have to read them...
In fact, his patents are some of the best written technical documents on the subject of "Excess Energy Generation"
ever published - and that's not just my humble opinion; it's the concensus of many senior technical and science folks.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on November 01, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
Rakarskiy,
Holbomb's published patents hardly qualify as "a silent hushing up of technology!" You just have to read them...
In fact, his patents are some of the best written technical documents on the subject of "Excess Energy Generation"
ever published - and that's not just my humble opinion; it's the concensus of many senior technical and science folks.
SL
Hi SL,
Who are these many senior technical and science folks? Anything like peer review?
bi
Quote from: bistander on November 01, 2022, 06:34:55 PM
Hi SL,
Who are these many senior technical and science folks? Anything like peer review?
bi
You all should be discussing the technology, how it works, and some of it's
implementation ideas rather than focusing on "who says or thinks what" since that's
really irrelevant and of no consequence - right!
However, to answer your concern:
Peer review would be a little formal - more like a Friday after work, or after a launch
"hot wash" over a beer or two chat at, say, Grills Tiki Bar or Fawty Towers
Bar (motel) or Sandbar Sports Grill, etc... with some interested, and pretty sharp, guys!
Many things are discussed; with lots of "Napkin CAD" ideas tossed out there, some
even make it to the stage of further analysis, such as the Holcomb patent. A brief CAE
of one part of the HES is presented elsewhere.
It will ALL be published in due course; then you will know who these senior technical and
science folks are.
But, for the moment, this is all nothing more than idle, opinion, gossip, chit chat!
No value added with respect to "Excess Energy Generation."
Quote from: SolarLab on November 01, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
Rakarskiy,
Holbomb's published patents hardly qualify as "a silent hushing up of technology!" You just have to read them...
In fact, his patents are some of the best written technical documents on the subject of "Excess Energy Generation"
ever published - and that's not just my humble opinion; it's the concensus of many senior technical and science folks.
SL
The dissemination of information is the reach of the reader who will make the appropriate response. If you take all the publications about the Holcomb Energy System, and translate this into a percentage of coverage of the reading, watching, thinking audience, you will be dumbfounded that this is essentially silence.
Second, Holcomb does not demonstrate his devices in operation at a residential or business facility. If he had done this, the reaction of the system would have been much tougher, he understands this very well.
Take the Rossi project, its history has been going on for a long time, I don't think that Holcomb will break into this market without extensive mass media. Moreover, according to my insider information, he was granted a patent, with conditions. We do not know what these conditions are, the insider only brought that this technology is not allowed to travel outside the United States for 10-12 years.
Quote from: SolarLab on November 01, 2022, 09:12:36 PM
You all should be discussing the technology, how it works, and some of it's
implementation ideas rather than focusing on "who says or thinks what" since that's
really irrelevant and of no consequence - right!
However, to answer your concern:
Peer review would be a little formal - more like a Friday after work, or after a launch
"hot wash" over a beer or two chat at, say, Grills Tiki Bar or Fawty Towers
Bar (motel) or Sandbar Sports Grill, etc... with some interested, and pretty sharp, guys!
Many things are discussed; with lots of "Napkin CAD" ideas tossed out there, some
even make it to the stage of further analysis, such as the Holcomb patent. A brief CAE
of one part of the HES is presented elsewhere.
It will ALL be published in due course; then you will know who these senior technical and
science folks are.
But, for the moment, this is all nothing more than idle, opinion, gossip, chit chat!
No value added with respect to "Excess Energy Generation."
Thanks for the clarification SL.
Has there been any replication yet?
bi
Total wonder that the Gov didn't just give him the same old gag order and shelve it for reasons of national security. Damn sure will put the electric companies out of business for the home. Not sure it can supply enough to power say a steel mill or auto factory.
Quote from: Thaelin on November 02, 2022, 11:24:32 AM
Total wonder that the Gov didn't just give him the same old gag order and shelve it for reasons of national security. Damn sure will put the electric companies out of business for the home. Not sure it can supply enough to power say a steel mill or auto factory.
I see this HES system as good for the electric companies
because I have heard that the electrical grid is stressed
at this present time. Since the in line system cuts the
electrical power supplied by 50%, the power companies
will still make money at the same time as their would
be less of a demand on the grid.
It is the HES self contained systems that would alarm
the power companies. That may be why the self contained
systems have not come out yet from HES.
With more and more electric cars and truck coming into
play, the grid demand will not go down. So the power
companies may be trying to develop in-line systems
themselves so they do not have companies like HES
to share the money made from providing electrical
energy to it's costumers.
Just a guess of what the greedy large companies will do.
Lunkster
Good evening!
I am still dealing with the hurricane aftermath.
Anyway, I found one old 15HP DC generator ready to be cleaned and rewound.
What do you think?
I can use PLC/IGBTs for sequence, VFD, or Arduino/IGBTs
Ariovaldo
You are just obsessed with the solid state generator and have left out a very important piece of information.
https://fb.watch/gzj1xp4Drb/
Electromechanical converter of motor-generator type with possible СОР-4.
Do you know how many such electromechanical converters are in main networks, at industrial facilities? their СOP is not more than 0.7.
So the electricity generation revolution and the problem of electricity sellers is much bigger than you think at first glance!
I just recently found out that in Germany the traction railway network uses 16.7 hertz!
For that used electric machine frequency converters ... :o
After all, the entire magnetic gearbox simply consists of a set of ferromagnetic elements(bolts).
It doesn't get any easier! And it really increases the speed of rotation of the magnetic field created by the rotating permanent magnet rotor. Has no one tried it yet ? If the rotation of the field is true, then this should worked. Or Holcomb knows the secret to creating "really" spinning fields. Which we don't know until. :(
I dont know if any of you have seen this WIPO document attached.
It is not likely that Holcomb will receive any WIPO patent for reasons stated within.
Also note the response letter from Holcomb which really provides no further clarification and basically disagrees with points raised by the patent examiner.
Source
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2021063522&_cid=P11-LA5R3B-21819-1 (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2021063522&_cid=P11-LA5R3B-21819-1)
L192
Wonder if it would be fruitful to contact Paul Keane (https://www.frkelly.com/people/paul-keane) and ask a few questions. Maybe he has actually witnessed the HES device in operation.
Almost laughable when the examiner refers to the device as a transformer. I've never seen a cylindrical transformer where the fields are continuously powered with DC and switched sequentially from salient pole to salient pole. Sounds pretty novel to me.
Also interesting how it is legally submitted no laws of physics have been broken because a third party validation has been completed by DNV GL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNV) along with a witness from SGS North America (https://www.sgs.com/en-us) and a statement Mr. Holcomb has two commercial buildings running on the power sources described in the patent application.
Thanks L192,
So Holcomb's patent application was rejected by WIPO, like about one year ago. I noticed in that linked document that they mentioned the witness reports but apparently we're not impressed (neither was I). I also was very unimpressed when I read the patent application (s) and I am glad to see the authority recognize BS when they see it.
bi
Quote from: bistander on November 06, 2022, 10:46:12 PM
Thanks L192,
So Holcomb's patent application was rejected by WIPO, like about one year ago. I noticed in that linked document that they mentioned the witness reports but apparently we're not impressed (neither was I). I also was very unimpressed when I read the patent application (s) and I am glad to see the authority recognize BS when they see it.
bi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxo5g_xn2oc
Hahahaha,
Best Wishes, EMJunkie...
Next question: Do you consider the US Patent Office patents that Dr. Holcomb demonstrates to be fraudulent?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CiOAmPaOrWW/
Another question is why are you so sure about the inoperability of Holcomb generators?
Personally, I do not doubt the efficiency of the declared indicators. This is not about physics, but about an engineering solution, excitation and organization of the movement of a magnetic field in the stator yoke, acting through the slotted rods.
Мало того в данном материале, возможность работы такой системы подтверждена
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
In the video, the switched DC generator is stated to use a standard 3 phase alternator stator unmodified.
The electrical rotor shown appears to be a straightforward 16 spoke design, with single coils on each spoke.
What is the lenz circumvention mechanism for this design?
We have not seen any instrumented tests for this design.
The rig appears to have three DC to AC 60Hz power inverters?
Quote from: rakarskiy on November 07, 2022, 04:26:24 AM
Next question: Do you consider the US Patent Office patents that Dr. Holcomb demonstrates to be fraudulent?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CiOAmPaOrWW/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CiOAmPaOrWW/)
Another question is why are you so sure about the inoperability of Holcomb generators?
Personally, I do not doubt the efficiency of the declared indicators. This is not about physics, but about an engineering solution, excitation and organization of the movement of a magnetic field in the stator yoke, acting through the slotted rods.
Мало того в данном материале, возможность работы такой системы подтверждена
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html)
The U.S. patent granted makes no clain regarding self running, only the WIPO patent makes this claim.
Holcomb has shown power input /output instrument readings for the cogeneration AC device. He has not shown such instrument readings for the switched DC system.
listener192
Do you think Lenz's rule causes the rotor to brake in the generator stator? The modern interpretation of Lenz's rule is incorrect. Lenz's original rule has a correct and different interpretation.
Bypassing the effect of electromagnetic attraction in the rotor / stator of the generator is possible only with the control of electromagnetic attraction (Adams, Tewari, etc.)
What mechanism Holcomb used in this case, I think, is not disclosed by any patent.
Issued Holcomb patents are not currently viewable in the patent database. Therefore, do not speculate with unverified information.
Solid state transformation/gain shown as COP-7.0 (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSrZK0jFAA_vmOb8ztDRHZtR1-1CI6GrrEJ6YGeNDImnHSqSb5YqjPCJk84Mqw6t85n9PuQAJBGir84rgIsr-AU2Sq_h7500MvjDLZtHMHtB3t3DIHAXbPD0PlmEiRbX0Ks-ocUyd_xZYLRY0SHwIVW0UUYDkeb2of1hGfYMiuTSuSYWYVscQCGC2S/w525-h365/2022-09-20_213916.jpg). It goes without saying that turning such an indicator into an independent system is already an engineering decision.
He does the right thing by not pointing out. He received a patent in the United States, and no one cancels the effect of the 1951 Act. For an engineer, everything is already clear, but fagot lawyers, in the service of evil, should not be given a reason to find fault. Good luck
Quote from: SolarLab on July 30, 2022, 07:16:57 PM
In a simpler form for you:
1. initial energy is "H" [amp-turn/length unit or Orsteds]
2. process is material B-H -- conversion is simply Faraday (et. al.) both ways
3. output energy is "B" [Tesla or Gauss]
4. initial energy "H" in amp-turn/cm (orsted) - output energy is "B" in Tesla (gauss)
Both quantities are 'Magnetic Energy' but use different names/nomenclature to distinguish between the two.
Once you understand B and H - H is the source and B is the resultant so to speak. Pretty simple actually, maybe too simple,
but not for most. More of a KISS thing.
How ever you decide to configure this Gain in your device is entirely up to you as your the designer. Coil/Lap turns, material, source
Voltage/Amps, pulse sequence, drivers, control processor, Rotor/Stator size/shape, etc.
A great deal of efficiency is also gained by the "floating magnetic field" (rotating or sliding). Again,
as the designer it's entirely up to you how that is deployed in your design. It's all there for your use.
Too simple - maybe, but not really! See the referenced book for details and formulas. See the EM CAE for proofs.
<snip>
Hello SL,
I apologize for putting a reply to this old post of yours, but turns out it is pertinent to a point which I wanted to address on your recent our.com post. I am not a member there although I follow it. I attempted to join years ago but was ignored. So here's a cut/paste of the subject post:
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See the attached .pdf for a brief explaination of the analytics (formulas) involved, including
a link to a good online physics calculator for iterative solving of "Faraday's Law."
Hopefully this is easy to understand for everyone and of some value!
SL
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 LinGen Technical Brief -Analytic-.pdf (217.78 kB - downloaded 13 times.)
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https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102190;topicseen#msg102190
Reply#416
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First off, in the pdf you state H to have units of Amperes/Turns. Is this a typo?
I have some more discussion, but need to take a break and wish to see if I get your attention over here.
Thanks,
bi
You should reapply ..forum was closed for a long time to membership
do to bots making a mess and other things !
And administrator having Zero time for such nonsense ( here it's the same)
Always appreciate reading your thoughtful and sincere contributions!
Respectfully
Chet
Quote from: bistander on November 11, 2022, 04:20:35 PM
Hello SL,
I apologize for putting a reply to this old post of yours, but turns out it is pertinent to a point which I wanted to address on your recent our.com post. I am not a member there although I follow it. I attempted to join years ago but was ignored. So here's a cut/paste of the subject post:
______
See the attached .pdf for a brief explaination of the analytics (formulas) involved, including
a link to a good online physics calculator for iterative solving of "Faraday's Law."
Hopefully this is easy to understand for everyone and of some value!
SL
------------------------
 LinGen Technical Brief -Analytic-.pdf (217.78 kB - downloaded 13 times.)
_________
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102190;topicseen#msg102190 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102190;topicseen#msg102190)
Reply#416
________
First off, in the pdf you state H to have units of Amperes/Turns. Is this a typo?
I have some more discussion, but need to take a break and wish to see if I get your attention over here.
Thanks,
bi
"Amperes/Turns" is generic - use whatever "Units/Nomenclature" is shown on your B-H Curve graph.
Convert as required or needed.
See the attached file which might justify my use of a "generic."
Quote from: SolarLab on November 11, 2022, 07:34:00 PM
"Amperes/Turns" is generic - use whatever "Units/Nomenclature" is shown on your B-H Curve graph.
Convert as required or needed.
Thanks for reply.
I don't think I've ever seen amps/turn used. Except for the old term of oersted, A/m is always used for H units in the B H curve. This article sums it nicely in my opinion.
https://www.toppr.com/guides/physics-formulas/magnetic-field-strength-formula/
I have attached two images for easy reference.
I have been trying to follow your analysis but need some help. Would you explain where the parameters used in your PDF originate. For example: 20 turns for the lap winding. It appears like 5 turns on your diagram.
Another question, about the 15 sq.in. area: This is the area of a pole face isn't it? Shouldn't it be half that (for a 2-pole machine)?
And about the magnetic circuit, you use a B value of 0.8T (arbitrary) which I assume is intended as an average uniform flux density per pole. Would not this cause severe saturation elsewhere? Like the back iron or areas referred to as 'depth below slots'.
I would appreciate your assistance in understanding here so please just don't tell me to purchase inexpensive computer equipment and learn to use the applications. I'm quite interested in your efforts, but realize my own skills and limitations. The last time I did a magnetic circuit calculation I had a slide rule and adding machine at my disposal.
bi
in the figure, there is a clear error in the magnetic flux between the rods of the electromagnets. What did Holcomb mean by portraying these interactions.
I think that Holcomb thus uses the output of the lines of force from the core when closing the poles. We clearly observe this effect in the Kromrey generator, when there is a slamming and opening of the flow.
It seems as if the community here has accepted as fact that Holcomb system does indeed work? It's interesting to note that HES has recently announced a joint venture with Astra Energy (OTC :ASRE). I noticed on the Holcomb facebook page that they also announced that they would be installing the ILPG in Zanzibar.... Once installed, I guess the debate over whether the technology works or not will end.. It's seems unlikely that two companies would join forces to perpetuate the hoax?
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/458569023030715
Here is a link to the press release from Astra
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html
LL
Quote from: bistander on November 12, 2022, 12:52:33 AM
Thanks for reply.
I don't think I've ever seen amps/turn used. Except for the old term of oersted, A/m is always used for H units in the B H curve. This article sums it nicely in my opinion.
https://www.toppr.com/guides/physics-formulas/magnetic-field-strength-formula/ (https://www.toppr.com/guides/physics-formulas/magnetic-field-strength-formula/)
I have attached two images for easy reference.
I have been trying to follow your analysis but need some help. Would you explain where the parameters used in your PDF originate. For example: 20 turns for the lap winding. It appears like 5 turns on your diagram.
Another question, about the 15 sq.in. area: This is the area of a pole face isn't it? Shouldn't it be half that (for a 2-pole machine)?
And about the magnetic circuit, you use a B value of 0.8T (arbitrary) which I assume is intended as an average uniform flux density per pole. Would not this cause severe saturation elsewhere? Like the back iron or areas referred to as 'depth below slots'.
I would appreciate your assistance in understanding here so please just don't tell me to purchase inexpensive computer equipment and learn to use the applications. I'm quite interested in your efforts, but realize my own skills and limitations. The last time I did a magnetic circuit calculation I had a slide rule and adding machine at my disposal.
bi
bistander,
Numeric CAE allows the 3D winding coil to be either a single loop drawing representing many wires or conductors
within that single element and only needs the Turns or Number of Conductors to be given if it's stranded.
This avoids having to draw every individual wire or conductor when using a coil winding. Makes things easier without
sacrificing accuracy.
CAE manuals explain this in great detail since, at first, it might appear confusing by representing a multi-turn coil
winding by a closed loop structure.
Amperes/Turns was used in a generic sense since Analytics has no idea about the winding coil structure and needs
the "H" units from the B-H Curve graph whereas Numerics already knows the winding coil structure, including dimensions.
The 15
2 in. is taken from Faraday's Law - the area of the loop. The Lap winding.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/faraday
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/magnetic-dipole-moment
Sounds like you're more up on this stuff than I am so I can't comment further about uniform flux density per pole and
saturation, etc..
SL
If we continue to rotate our stator or rotor in which a virtual rotating magnetic field is already created.
If not cancel it at all, but, say, half of the rotation speed is created by switching, and the
other half by ordinary mechanical rotation, as in a conventional generator.
And if you do not switch current which is coming from a constant voltage source in the primary stator for example, with a mechanical switch,
And rotate the phase rotor using another motor, but at the same time close and open the conclusions of the three windings of this rotor.Don't using power supply at all.
Frequency rotating must increase for second coil,isn't it ?
just like if we switched our mechanical switch faster.
Any news?
I'm slow but persistent.
the plan is to test the system with not more than 30 amps, 12 volts, and 30 Hz to start.
The annoying noise in the video comes from the magnet inside the coil.
Time to start the windings.
I'm in love with this project.
https://youtu.be/puIpzb0Ouj0
Ariovaldo
I figured out how to observe and measure the rotating field in the stator.
Really cool? :)
Latest from holcomb. Sounds like there is movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMjS5WO6RI
Quote from: Jimboot on November 30, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
Sounds like there is movement.
Wish they would offer a dealership license to distribute these gizmos--sure like to get my hands on one and report back here what it really is and what it really does. After a thorough walk-thru video, I could probably give them 100 orders just from overunity.com in a week.
As for tinkering with the concept, there's still some magic there I can't put my finger on. To me it seems like you have to have Lenz in order to put any current on the load--like the load has to have something to push against. When you take away the Lenzing effect or otherwise divert it, the load current drops off to nothing. I saw the same behavior with the Thane Heins Bi-Toroid Transformer. Still skeptical at this point.
Quote from: Jimboot on November 30, 2022, 06:57:57 PM[/size]Latest from holcomb. Sounds like there is movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMjS5WO6RI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMjS5WO6RI)
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Hey Jimboot, thanks for posting but that video seems to already have been removed. Could you comment a bit on what was in it? Wonder why it was pulled... too good of news ? ::)
Quote from: e2matrix on November 30, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Hey Jimboot, thanks for posting but that video seems to already have been removed. Could you comment a bit on what was in it? Wonder why it was pulled... too good of news ? ::)
Sorry probably pulled because I let them know about a glaring Typo. Reuploaded here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQX9vbmqiC8
Quote from: Jimboot on November 30, 2022, 10:17:30 PM
Sorry probably pulled because I let them know about a glaring Typo. Reuploaded here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQX9vbmqiC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQX9vbmqiC8)
Thanks Jim ! Watching it now...
I have some improved driver boards online (https://oshpark.com/profiles/Dog-One) for anyone that may be hampered on the electrical side.
Fully isolated, logic driven at 3.3v or 5v. MOSFETs (TO-220 style) mount upside down on the back side so the board can be placed on a heat sink with a pair of thermal pads. Mask removed over the high amperage areas for tinning. Also on the board are two 5 to 15 volt 1 watt DC2DC converters to ensure gate drive power is isolated--no worries about ground loops from scope probes and such. This design is intended for using dual power sources or a single bipolar power source in lieu of using full bridge switching. If you need any RC snubbers, I would suggest attaching them externally, as close to your coils as possible. Just enough to keep the peak back EMF from smoking your MOSFETs.
The 2EDS8265HXUMA2 (https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/196/Infineon_2EDS8265H_DataSheet_v02_07_EN-1917909.pdf) driver chip is quite the piece of silicon. At the time I started designing this board they were available at Mouser, but I see now someone bought a bunch of them up, more are on order. I'd get some when you can from any supplier that has them.
I like modular stuff and these can be used for anything in addition to driving an HES, though I would like to see someone get a working HES on their bench.
Digikey.com has a lot of those 2EDS8265HXUMA2 in stock.
And this virtual rotating magnetic field of yours can be twisted into a tornado whirlwind ?
With a decrease in diameter and an increase in the angular velocity of rotation ?
Quote from: kolbacict on December 04, 2022, 01:46:30 PM
And this virtual rotating magnetic field of yours can be twisted into a tornado whirlwind ?
With a decrease in diameter and an increase in the angular velocity of rotation ?
Hi kolbacict,
Please show us what you're talking about. Are you able to video the CRT effects in that excited stator?
bi
Got a bit of positive feedback on some product delivered to actual end user !
Will try to find out a bit more detail!
Quote from: ramset on December 04, 2022, 05:05:57 PM
Got a bit of positive feedback on some product delivered to actual end user !
Will try to find out a bit more detail!
That would be interesting Chet!
Quote from: bistander on December 04, 2022, 02:25:17 PM
Please show us what you're talking about. Are you able to video the CRT effects in that excited stator?
I will definitely show you.
Can't find the right size.
The photo was a single-phase stator from the refrigerator. It doesn't fit.
If you knew my life...
Only that the bombs are not falling yet ... :)
Jim
Unfortunately an anonymous claim from ....( cannot qualify at this time ..working on that ATM
Anonymous claims in our world ( the FE over-unity world)
Are really not where this topic should be pointing ( do to horrific past history of such claims!
Here IMO caloric measurements should be used with side by side testing using simple water calorimetry ..a scientific standard ! ...
Honestly when we get some happy end user (unattached to claimant)... it will really be nice !
For clarity I write these things only because I hear of soo many persons trying to buy or purchase ,
And no "buyers" reporting a result publicly ..( behind the scenes there are confusing stories from would be buyer's or customers !
Heat some water ...caloric storage in water is a known science ( energy in vrs temp rise ...for most of modern scientific history!
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Perhaps above is misleading.. it might be that would be buyers are put in contact with happy customers after some vetting process?
IMO such a tech needs to get out "sooner the better"
What is happening in Europe ATM is just tip of the ice berg !
So yes it's a desperate time !
Quote from: kolbacict on December 05, 2022, 01:24:38 AM
I will definitely show you.
Can't find the right size.
The photo was a single-phase stator from the refrigerator. It doesn't fit.
If you knew my life...
Only that the bombs are not falling yet ... :)
Hi kolbacict,
Okay. You know that to get the RMF (Rotating Magnetic Field) you need 3-phase power on a stator wound for 3-phase.
Other note: if you go by handle Chief Kolbacict on the OUR forum, that motor in question with 2 wires is most likely a PMDC motor. Rotation direction dependent on polarity. No load RPM directly proportional to applied voltage. Torque directly proportional to current. For tape reel drive often armature construction has no iron, giving very low moment of inertia, quick speed changing, smooth rotation without cogging. Some models used what was referred to as printed circuit armature but was actually layers of stamped thin copper sheets separated by fiber sheets and welded tips. Nice small motors. Fairly efficient. No core loss. But brush friction and resistance loss. Good high speed and regulation. Poor thermally and not overload tolerant (for long). Make nice generator, self excited, but needing external regulation (inverter opposed to field control, like an alternator has). Looks like a tacho attached which is common for tape drive motors.
bi
4-Channel MOSFET board with optional Driver, Screw Connector and Heat-Sinks
These are - Turnkey - populated, soldered, ready to go modules.
Designed by Azduino by Spence Konde in United States of America
https://www.tindie.com/products/drazzy/4-channel-mosfet-board-with-optional-driver/#product-description (https://www.tindie.com/products/drazzy/4-channel-mosfet-board-with-optional-driver/#product-description)
Disclaimer - I have nothing what so ever to do with Spence Konde or his business; this is
nothing more than a purchasing users observation. Also, I found Spence a very good fellow
to work with throught the purchasing process.
SL
Update - added MOSFET Data to PDF
Don't look for secrets where none exist! A rotating field in the stator, without a rotor, will not induce an EMF in the groove wire. My last experiments and again "blank shots, but very close to the solution" led to an understanding for the solution.
To repeat Holcomb, you do not need to climb into the jungle of science, you can use the poke method.
We need an external solid state rotor, so that there are four poles, with a system for switching electromagnets. It is more efficient to do a phase bookmark in the internal stator. Termination of the wires of the generator phase, as for a four-pole (1500 rpm) . Importantly, the current strength in the phase should reduce the current strength in the excitation core. Due to the gap, it is difficult to introduce the magnetic circuit into saturation.
All I wanted to say.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 06, 2022, 01:54:29 AM
Don't look for secrets where none exist! A rotating field in the stator, without a rotor, will not induce an EMF in the groove wire. My last experiments and again "blank shots, but very close to the solution" led to an understanding for the solution.
To repeat Holcomb, you do not need to climb into the jungle of science, you can use the poke method.
We need an external solid state rotor, so that there are four poles, with a system for switching electromagnets. It is more efficient to do a phase bookmark in the internal stator. Termination of the wires of the generator phase, as for a four-pole (1500 rpm) . Importantly, the current strength in the phase should reduce the current strength in the excitation core. Due to the gap, it is difficult to introduce the magnetic circuit into saturation.
All I wanted to say.
Simulations of the LinGen clearly show that. Seperate external/internal Rotor Stator appear to be irrelevent.
The "RPM" is based upon the Pulse Sequence, which is based on the timing sequence - this is set by the processor.
The "four quadrant" operation (EMF - Back EMF) is apparent W.R.T. Lenz plus the number of times per second
the poles are activated.
The Gap is well understood in magnetics W.R.T saturation.
Sorry - Don't know about the "poke method".
One interesting observation is the "remanence" - in certain materials it does not return to zero; so a method
might be needed to feed the Back-EMF into the coil to bring it back to zero - a work in progress. However
some materials do have a steep "return curve" so it may be of little concern.
SL
NOTE: A while back a posted a Technical Brief outlining the "Four Quadrant" implifications of "EMF - Back EMF" with
respect to Lenz and how this relates to OU so regurgatating this again would be redundant. Suffice; that the
technical implications haven't changed. These apply to rotating as well as linear magnetic scenarios. Disrupt
the "phase" of the sequence at the propper time and you will see the OU effect!
Quote from: SolarLab on December 06, 2022, 02:35:36 AM
Disrupt the "phase" of the sequence at the propper time and you will see the OU effect!
That's the trick! I hadn't thought of that and didn't see anything in the patents to lead me there.
Nice find on the drivers by the way. I hate building stuff that is already available and ready to use. For an HES device, it's probably pretty easy to go overboard with way more sophistication than is needed.
So SL, I have a direct question that I suspect you can answer to my satisfaction:
Do you see a method where we can purchase off-the-shelf core materials to fabricate either a rotary or linear system for bench testing? I'd like to move away from anything custom (or scrap) and come up with something builders on this forum can acquire and assemble with relative ease so we can build, test and compare notes. This can't be rocket science here. Something like a string of U-cores situated properly and wound with mag-wire, maybe even some 3D printed bobbins to lock everything together is what I have in mind. Does that sound like something within your wheelhouse? Some kind of concept platform we all can work from. First to loop wins the prize. :P
Quote from: SolarLab on December 06, 2022, 02:35:36 AM
Simulations of the LinGen clearly show that. Seperate external/internal Rotor Stator appear to be irrelevent.
The "RPM" is based upon the Pulse Sequence, which is based on the timing sequence - this is set by the processor.
The "four quadrant" operation (EMF - Back EMF) is apparent W.R.T. Lenz plus the number of times per second
the poles are activated.
The Gap is well understood in magnetics W.R.T saturation.
Sorry - Don't know about the "poke method".
One interesting observation is the "remanence" - in certain materials it does not return to zero; so a method
might be needed to feed the Back-EMF into the coil to bring it back to zero - a work in progress. However
some materials do have a steep "return curve" so it may be of little concern.
SL
NOTE: A while back a posted a Technical Brief outlining the "Four Quadrant" implifications of "EMF - Back EMF" with
respect to Lenz and how this relates to OU so regurgatating this again would be redundant. Suffice; that the
technical implications haven't changed. These apply to rotating as well as linear magnetic scenarios. Disrupt
the "phase" of the sequence at the propper time and you will see the OU effect!
Hi SolarLab,
Could you post a link to this technical brief please.
Thanks
L192
SolarLab
The problem is not in modeling on linear conventional systems, the problem is in the principle of operation (technology) of inducing EMF in a wire that is laid in a groove. Further, the induced current should amplify the magnetic flux (rather than block it). I can't say it for you, but I found a lot of patterns, with general working criteria, including a transformer.
If I'm right, and the probability is very high, I can easily explain how this experiment works.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
I'm not interested in large commercial frequency generators, I'm interested in a reproducible garage system.
Rakarskiy - Looks like you GOT IT figured. Congratulations, excellent work! Thanks
for sharing...
Listener192 - the tech brief and some related discussion might have been near the
beginning of the OUR Holcomb thread but not exactly sure where or when. Sorry.
Dog-One - Pure Iron and other metals with excellent B-H characteristics are available
but can be quite expensive especially in small quantities. Fabrication to your device
specifications is costly as well and machining it leads to a lot of waste.
Another option is lamination construction. There are a few firms that will do laser
cutting and stacking so the stamping fixture fabrication is eliminated but the process
is rather limited in configuration. Holcomb did this himself - there's a picture I posted
of his lamination setup.
You'll have to put on your "thinking cap" for this part since it appears to be the hard bit!
- The option we're working on at the moment involves Soft Magnetic Compounds (SMC)
which are initially various powder mixtures that are compacted into a mold under high
pressure (800 MPa) and sintered in an oven. This process is ideal since the shapes
do not limit the overall design and optimum permativities and B-H curves can be achieved.
Since this overall concept is geared towards an educational aspect, the added SMC part
of the course lab adds a significant amount of additional knowledge in a variety of areas.
Building (machining) the molds and compacting at 800 MPa and Sintering is a challenge
but the flexability and cost savings more than makes up for it. Having a CNC Mill, a 60 Ton
Press and a Sintering Oven also helps.
There are SMC companies that have test jigs you can
purchase and evaluate various SMC materials as well as a few that sell SMC material as
"slabs." Expensive but for a proof-of-concept it's a reasonable option.
A good scrap metal yard or supplier in an industrial area is also another source but you'll
need a Tesla Meter and Coil (as mentioned in a "Saturday Fun With the Kids" post.
SL
Board is acting funky as usual so posting is a real pane in the ass - bold sticks, formatting
is useless - in general just a lot of time wasted... >:( so screw (F___) it...
Hello Dog-One,
You ask:
QuoteDo you see a method where we can purchase off-the-shelf core materials to fabricate either a rotary or linear system for bench testing?
I said this back when the Holcomb system was first described. Sounds like a 3-phase slip ring induction motor with a locked rotor. And it still does. These are available in standard industrial NEMA packages at reasonable cost. Although not as popular and common as the squirrel cage, still could be found on the used/rebuilt market in like a 4 or 6 pole integral kW, 230/460V version. Just use a shaft coupling, collar and torque arm bolted to end frame. Put the 3-phase mains to the stator, thru a Variac preferably and you have the rotor (stationary) windings available via slip rings.
The rotor winding is typically connected to a resistor bank and used for speed control in the standard applications. The technology predates modern inverter control. And locked rotor testing is a text book method to characterize machine parameters. No doubt been done thousands of times by engineers and technicians. Never heard of anomalous energy appearing. I don't understand how Holcomb does it, so I doubt it happens. But the method I just described gives you a starting point with available hardware. From there, you could alter the windings on the rotor and figure it out.
Love to see it happen.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 07, 2022, 12:12:25 AM
Hello Dog-One,
You ask:
I said this back when the Holcomb system was first described. Sounds like a 3-phase slip ring induction motor with a locked rotor. And it still does. These are available in standard industrial NEMA packages at reasonable cost. Although not as popular and common as the squirrel cage, still could be found on the used/rebuilt market in like a 4 or 6 pole integral kW, 230/460V version. Just use a shaft coupling, collar and torque arm bolted to end frame. Put the 3-phase mains to the stator, thru a Variac preferably and you have the rotor (stationary) windings available via slip rings.
The rotor winding is typically connected to a resistor bank and used for speed control in the standard applications. The technology predates modern inverter control. And locked rotor testing is a text book method to characterize machine parameters. No doubt been done thousands of times by engineers and technicians. Never heard of anomalous energy appearing. I don't understand how Holcomb does it, so I doubt it happens. But the method I just described gives you a starting point with available hardware. From there, you could alter the windings on the rotor and figure it out.
Love to see it happen.
bi
Hi Bistander, Are you experimenting with this approach, or planning to develop the concept, using a 3-phase slip ring induction motor?
Just asking since there are a few questions I have regarding the theoretical operation.
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
Unfortunately, presently I'm in no position to experiment like that. Surgery scheduled for tomorrow. I have, and will, consider it, but personal policy is not to build things that don't work. That does not stop me from experimenting. But truthfully, with Holcomb's scheme, I have yet to understand objectives of such experiments. I find your investigation and analysis very interesting but can't follow the process thoroughly. I hoped you would do a physical model.
I plan to be around so will participate where I can.
bi
Why did the Holcomb create a system for switching magnets that have an imitation of rotation? The answer is so simple as to change the magnetic field in the zone of the generator phase for the entire amplitude of the hysteresis. No simulator takes into account the inertia of the magnetic field of the core. Spaces in a magnetic chain, for the same purpose. It is difficult to break the magnetic flux, which is associated with the ring, in the generator the flow rotates, crossing the phase wires, using mechanical force when rotating the rotor. In a static core, to do it just to control the polarity of the coil. Holcomb went in the most predictable way, it pulls the field in the iron gland, switching magnets, while the stator field does not weaken.
Sincerely.
SL & all,
I mentioned that I had previously addressed this subject. I found where I did. Never got an answer to the question: How is HES different from a slip ring induction motor at stall? That answer would certainly help me understand Holcomb's process. So, for convenience, here is the previous post.
bi :-X
Quote from: bistander on June 14, 2022, 11:31:39 AM
Hi all,
From the start, I thought this HES concept was nothing more than a common 3-phase dynamo at stall, including the instant of starting induction motors across the mains just prior to rotation commencing, and even during locked rotor test and overload stalls. These situations have been studied and modelled for years by experts. To my knowledge there has never been a reported overunity or anomalous energy occurrence. The majority of such machines are cage rotor types. But the doubly fed Induction Machines, as used for wind turbines, and slip ring induction motors have access to rotor power directly. So here's my question to anybody. How is HES different from a slip ring induction motor at stall?
Attached is a snapshot showing the device. The rotor can be locked and starting resistors considered the load. Therefore the 3-phase mains provide a RMF thru the stator inducing the stationary rotor and its windings which delivers power to the load while nothing moves (no copper or steel, just magnetic field and electric charge.
Thanks.
bi
https://engineeringslab.com/tutorial_electrical/starting-of-slip-ring-induction-motors-797.htm
@SolarLab,
Sorry, I cannot find the material you refered to.
L192
QuoteThe rotor can be locked and starting resistors considered the load. Therefore the 3-phase mains provide a RMF thru the stator inducing the stationary rotor and its windings which delivers power to the load while nothing moves
This summer, in my experiments with such a motor with a phase rotor that was inhibited, less power was released in the load of the rotor than was spent on the stator. :(
Quote from: kolbacict on December 07, 2022, 01:30:08 PM
This summer, in my experiments with such a motor with a phase rotor that was inhibited, less power was released in the load of the rotor than was spent on the stator. :(
That's not surprising. So what is different in Holcomb's system?
I realize now he shows multiple stators, inner and outer, with rotor between, but early versions, and LinGen just had a single stator with moving flux and a stationary rotor (winding separated by air gap). What's missing?
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 07, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
That's not surprising. So what is different in Holcomb's system?
I realize now he shows multiple stators, inner and outer, with rotor between, but early versions, and LinGen just had a single stator with moving flux and a stationary rotor (winding separated by air gap). What's missing?
bi
Perhaps their "electrical metal" is MetGlas or similar ? Maybe that is the difference...
Quote from: e2matrix on December 07, 2022, 06:01:44 PM
Perhaps their "electrical metal" is MetGlas or similar ? Maybe that is the difference...
Metglas doesn't lend itself to laminations having complex shapes as seen on Holcomb's photos. You pretty much have to use a coiled core, like a roll of tape. I doubt the difference, or secret is material. But Holcomb's website descriptions did mention Metglas, but as a shield, IIRC.
When they did the side by side comparison test against the plastic core material, I think they stated the electrical grade silicon steel sheet used, a common motor lamination type, again from memory.
bi
Hi Rakarskiy,
You commented "No simulator takes into account the inertia of the magnetic field of the core." I'm not sure what you
mean by magnetic field inertia but most professional simulators do take pretty much everything into account.
A few examples are found below.
There are several professional CAE Software Suites that do pretty much the same analysis.
Most Colleges and many High Schools now have at least one of these CAE suites and offer training classes and
night courses. You would have a hard time now days finding a job without this skill set.
Video examples do not yet involve a rotating or sliding magnetic field since this technology is still relatively unknown.
EMS for SOLIDWORKS [158 videos]
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs7jsE9WaU8ESbh8Uz95G2eNkeRLPV6Qd
Is the Switched Reluctance Motor (SRM) the Future of Electric Vehicles?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU8jDA9fKHg&list=PLs7jsE9WaU8ESbh8Uz95G2eNkeRLPV6Qd&index=8
Electric Machine Design Flow with ANSYS, Inc. Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4_7j1pOpto
Simulating an Electro-Permanent Magnet (EPM) Using Ansys Maxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpO6OLXCSO4
Lifting Machine Simulation using EMS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RmXBcdhXfE&list=PLs7jsE9WaU8ESbh8Uz95G2eNkeRLPV6Qd&index=135
There are probably thousands of videos on Youtube relating to CAE Simulation and Analysis. Unfortunately I do not
have time to discuss the subject in the threads any further - my time is better spent on finishing and testing the
designs.
Not trying to be "dick head" here but the "LinGen Course" will be available soon and all the questions are
answered there!
SL
Quote from: bistander on December 07, 2022, 10:25:15 PM
Metglas doesn't lend itself to laminations having complex shapes as seen on Holcomb's photos. You pretty much have to use a coiled core, like a roll of tape. I doubt the difference, or secret is material. But Holcomb's website descriptions did mention Metglas, but as a shield, IIRC.
When they did the side by side comparison test against the plastic core material, I think they stated the electrical grade silicon steel sheet used, a common motor lamination type, again from memory.
bi
I admit that was just a guess. Metglas does seem to be in a thin ribbon form: https://www.hitachimetals.com/infrastructure-energy/clean-energy-technology/metglas-amorphous-metal-materials-distribution-transformers.php
Hi, SolarLab!
I do not argue that the magnetic flux, even in dynamics, will be modeled very close to reality. I meant the simulation of an electric circuit and a magnetic circuit together in dynamics.
I encountered strong discrepancies between software calculation, engineering calculation systems (on paper) and reality.
Holcomb, I think it was not in vain that he complained about solving problems with reactance, when controlling the operation of magnets. I also encountered this.
Sincerely.
Holcomb patent,that somebody posted wrongly a few pages back..
You need to give in the name during saving as
filename.pdf
so it will be saved correctly...
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 08, 2022, 05:08:11 AM
Hi, SolarLab!
I do not argue that the magnetic flux, even in dynamics, will be modeled very close to reality. I meant the simulation of an electric circuit and a magnetic circuit together in dynamics.
I encountered strong discrepancies between software calculation, engineering calculation systems (on paper) and reality.
Holcomb, I think it was not in vain that he complained about solving problems with reactance, when controlling the operation of magnets. I also encountered this.
Sincerely.
Hi Rakarskiy,
These "discrepancies" stem from the difference between Analytics (math formulas) and Numerics (CAE computer methods).
When professional CAE analyzes a 2D or 3D device (circuit) the CAD (Computer Aided Design) model is broken down into a huge
number of "Tetrahedra" - a.k.a. a "Mesh." A finer mesh (larger number of tetrahedra) gives a more accurate analysis but also takes
a longer time to compute.
This "mesh" engulfs the entire model, including the surrounding air or vacuum, with each type of element (air, copper, metal, etc.)
seperated by a "boundry" which accounts for the "boundry conditions" (e.g. air-copper interface and so forth). When the model's
"mesh" is solved using Maxwell's Equations (usually a matrix) all of the models characteristics, including shapes, materials and
proximities, ensure an accurate solution.
Analytic (mathematical formulas) calculations would be near impossible to do accurately for even a modest complex device.
For example, a distributed planar microwave layout can be analytically calculated pretty accurately but even a relatively simple
lumped element circuit (inductor, capacitor and circuit traces) can have widely varying results when done analytically. Numeric CAE
analysis of the same circuit can achieve a near exact solution (depending on mesh size) with respect to measured data.
This applies equally well to Electric and Magnetic fields in air or vacuum.
It's rare that I have ever seen more than a 5% (usually <1%) discrepency between CAE and Measured results. Of course the model
has to be correct and the analysis set up properly with a fine mesh and small time steps!
As a bonus, for us at least, is Maxwell's Equations do not care whether the model is over unity (agnostic to conservation of energy)
- these simply give you the solved results with a variety of convient visuals, animations , graphs, charts and numbers. It's also quite
easy to vary any number of circuit parameters and observe what happens or to optimize the design.
Non-linear characteristics of things such as the SMC ferromagnetic material's B-H Curve can also be taken into account insitu.
This is extremely important (critical) when developing an Excess Energy device.
SL
Dear SolarLab!
I know what multi-way analytical calculations are, besides, at one time I was a developer of complex economic systems, where data collection was formed according to specified criteria.
I also do engineering calculations. My practice has always been based on repeatability and prediction. I adopted various calculation methods, while my methodology significantly reduced the material investment as for design.
If I say something, I know for sure. The magnetic circuit, you can very accurately calculate in dynamics, but this does not mean that you can quite accurately calculate the dimensionality of the EMF.
I will surprise you, but the EMF guidance system in the wire is very different from the one that is taught based on formula (1) [E=BLV] and the one that works in a generator and a transformer with a core, the so-called engineering transformer formula (2) [E=4.44kФNf].
I already know exactly how the static system of a transformer and a mechanical generator differ. Why Dr. Holcomb went by simulating the mechanical rotation of the magnetic poles in saturation in the stator core. The problem is solved more simply in a mechanical generator. A little more complicated with the switchable magnet system. And it's very difficult in the static system that I'm working on. By the way, I found a mistake in my modeling and got closer to a larger reality. It remains for me to check the controller system. It is definitely clear that there are two magnetic fields. There is a field in the core which is already independent. In a mechanical generator, it is enough to excite it to the maximum, taking into account the excitation source and phase current, and mechanically rotate it. In the system which I am working on, turning the flow through zero is not such an easy task as it turned out, and the first data simply baffled me.
The simple frame generator that I have discussed in this material ( https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html ) is fully consistent with general educational theory. The only thing I specified was the AMPER POWER, and confirmed that part of the electric field of the primary EMF turns into CURRENT POWER, and as a result, into the Vortex magnetic field around the conductor.
What is the difference between a slotted stator generator and a transformer? I will answer with the amplitude of the hysteresis of the magnetic field in the zone of the phase wire.
PS
Perhaps I can now describe the work of Holcomb's pocket electromagnetic generator, in any case, on my discovery of the principle, this emerges into a general methodology. It remains for me to confirm or deny this.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 09, 2022, 01:20:40 AM
...
The simple frame generator that I have discussed in this material ( https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html ) is fully consistent with general educational theory. The only thing I specified was the AMPER POWER, and confirmed that part of the electric field of the primary EMF turns into CURRENT POWER, and as a result, into the Vortex magnetic field around the conductor.
What is the difference between a slotted stator generator and a transformer? I will answer with the amplitude of the hysteresis of the magnetic field in the zone of the phase wire.
...
Hi rakarskiy,
Looking at Mitch's generator, you (or he) measures 10.4 Volts output and 1.3 Amperes load current for 13.5 Watts using a 3 Ohm load resistor. Appears inconsistent with Ohm's Law, doesn't it?
bi
I don't think Mitch got the measurements wrong. But all calculations with Ohm's law are consistent more than ever exactly.
He did not change the output voltage at idle, in any case, he did not provide me with such data.
Everything else agrees very well with applied formulas and concepts.
By the way, the concept of full power is of interest only to electricity sellers, in order to eliminate their losses in measurements in the circuit section.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 09, 2022, 07:57:48 AM
I don't think Mitch got the measurements wrong. But all calculations with Ohm's law are consistent more than ever exactly.
He did not change the output voltage at idle, in any case, he did not provide me with such data.
Everything else agrees very well with applied formulas and concepts.
By the way, the concept of full power is of interest only to electricity sellers, in order to eliminate their losses in measurements in the circuit section.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
Hi rakarskiy,
The diagram indicates 1.3 Amperes for load current. Load is 3 Ohms. Ohm's Law: 1.3A * 3 Ohms = 3.9V drop across load, but I0.4V is shown as the voltmeter reading and used in your power formula. Using 1.3A * 3.9V = 5.07W, or VA, depending on pf.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 09, 2022, 01:20:40 AM
Dear SolarLab!
I know what multi-way analytical calculations are, besides, at one time I was a developer of complex economic systems, where data collection was formed according to specified criteria.
I also do engineering calculations. My practice has always been based on repeatability and prediction. I adopted various calculation methods, while my methodology significantly reduced the material investment as for design.
If I say something, I know for sure. The magnetic circuit, you can very accurately calculate in dynamics, but this does not mean that you can quite accurately calculate the dimensionality of the EMF.
I will surprise you, but the EMF guidance system in the wire is very different from the one that is taught based on formula (1) [E=BLV] and the one that works in a generator and a transformer with a core, the so-called engineering transformer formula (2) [E=4.44kФNf].
I already know exactly how the static system of a transformer and a mechanical generator differ. Why Dr. Holcomb went by simulating the mechanical rotation of the magnetic poles in saturation in the stator core. The problem is solved more simply in a mechanical generator. A little more complicated with the switchable magnet system. And it's very difficult in the static system that I'm working on. By the way, I found a mistake in my modeling and got closer to a larger reality. It remains for me to check the controller system. It is definitely clear that there are two magnetic fields. There is a field in the core which is already independent. In a mechanical generator, it is enough to excite it to the maximum, taking into account the excitation source and phase current, and mechanically rotate it. In the system which I am working on, turning the flow through zero is not such an easy task as it turned out, and the first data simply baffled me.
The simple frame generator that I have discussed in this material ( https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html) ) is fully consistent with general educational theory. The only thing I specified was the AMPER POWER, and confirmed that part of the electric field of the primary EMF turns into CURRENT POWER, and as a result, into the Vortex magnetic field around the conductor.
What is the difference between a slotted stator generator and a transformer? I will answer with the amplitude of the hysteresis of the magnetic field in the zone of the phase wire.
PS
Perhaps I can now describe the work of Holcomb's pocket electromagnetic generator, in any case, on my discovery of the principle, this emerges into a general methodology. It remains for me to confirm or deny this.
Dear Rakarskiy,
It's quite obvious you either do not read my posts or simply don't understand them; which is fine since many don't.
However to clarify:
- Analytical Analysis refers to doing analysis based on mathematical formulas (e.g. E = I x R where E is Volts, I is Current
and R is Resistance) {ok, now 'ya-all' can rag on my use of caps, :D }
- Numeric Analysis refers to doing analysis based on Computer Numerics via Computer Aided Engineering (CAE) where the
design as a whole is entered into the computer as a physical model where the model's component characteristics are specified
and the Analysis is calculated for the entire device or system.
I took the time to provide some examples, including background information, a few posts back:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572182/#msg572182 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572182/#msg572182)
Fortunately I found Holcomb's Patents very clear after a few hours of study and his approach is, in my mind at least,
extremely brilliant and straight forward. My OUR forum posts presented in the "Holcomb" thread show this.
The last remaining part is finding a suitable (affordable, high performance) material.
You can complicate the theory, analysis and design if that's what you prefer; but for me there was no need to. Plus, I do not
need, nor have the desire, to try and impress anyone with my wealth of knowledge (which usually shows as just jibberish )!
Anyway - Good Luck!
SL
I wanted to suggest filling the gaps in Holcombe's generators with a ferrofluid.
Whatever shape the rotors and stators have...
To reduce magnetic resistance.
How this is done, for example, in some loudspeakers.
In general, Robert could being take me to his company. :)
capitalist comrades, you have not a drop of conscience.
Quote from: kolbacict on December 09, 2022, 01:52:18 PM
capitalist comrades, you have not a drop of conscience.
Hahaha! Kolbacict, you nailed it!
Jimboot, I had to quote the above. Just struck me as too funny. Give it a week and you can kindly remove this post.
Holcomb is building a 200KW ILPG unit... latest video from FB ..
https://fb.watch/hjsjjv33h2/
Hello all,
It is very uncomfortable for me to make this post. No one is a bigger fan and supporter of Holcomb Energy Systems than I. I previously shared some of this information with Jimboot in a PM but feel increasingly that it should be shared with the general forum.
This information comes from two people I have spoken with at length who had recent hands-on demonstrations of the Holcomb In Line Power Generator (ILPG) at the HES Sarasota, FL lab. The following conclusions come from these first hand witnesses, both of whom are in agreement with them.
1. The ILPG which HES is planning to market does not at all resemble the generators described in their patents or patent applications. The ILPG is identical to a fixed-rotor, slip ring motor. It is powered by 3-phase AC mains, not by pulsed DC as are the generators described in patents and patent applications. You can deduce this by careful study of public posts by HES.
2. The ILPG produces a large current gain between the input and output measuring points, verified with a current clamp meter. This has also been publicly posted by HES. But the witnesses conclude this current gain is an accompanied by a large phase shift in current with respect to the voltage.
3. The ILPG does NOT produce more power than it consumes. HES made an unwitting error, without purposeful deceit, in wiring their input and output power meters. Because the meters show a power gain, HES is convinced it is real and are proceeding full ahead when, in fact, there is no power gain at all.
When measuring 3-phase power, the voltage probes and current transformer probes for each of the 3 lines must be properly associated when connected to the power meter. If the voltage and current probes are shifted with respect to each other, the current and voltage phase relationships the meter sees are incorrect and the meter reads false power values.
The witnesses surmise that HES wired the power meter voltage and current probes incorrectly in order to show a power gain commensurate with the current gain, which they otherwise could not make sense of. The witnesses say the current gain, however, is due to its being measured inside an LC circuit, not because of an increase in power.
4. The ILPG can be configured to work as a power factor correcting device and reduce the electric bill in a facility with 3-phase mains that previously did not have appropriate power factor correction. But it will not produce any excess power.
HES has been made aware of the metering error. However, they believe the ILPG's unique properties require that the power meters' voltage and current probes should indeed be shifted with respect to one another, that the power meters should not be connected in the normal manner. HES is convinced that unorthodox power meter wiring is correct for the ILPG.
The situation is very discouraging to me. Both witnesses are impeccable. A big part of me wishes they are wrong. But I would not bet on it. Raising further red flags, despite multiple, repeated requests, HES has yet to provide them with verification of power gain in the ILPG by an independent third party who knows how to correctly measure 3-phase power, using their own meters.
I sincerely hope HES realizes their error and reverts to their patented generator which possibly might work. Best wishes to everyone who is trying to replicate that earlier technology!
Sir
Not really a good idea to post such 3rd party anonymous hearsay .
I realize it's a tuff place to be !
Would be much better if sir names of those involved?
And yes,
There was some mention privately a while back about concerns for proper measurement of 3 phase system ,
Caloric ( heating of water) being best foolproof method !
And then very recently a satisfied customer appeared who claimed huge benefits of system?
Here we need concern for our hosts liabilities in regard to Holcomb and effecting their reputation!
I will reach out for forum owner regarding this !
Respectfully
Chet K
Hi Beginners Mind,
Does that mean Florida Power and Light (FPL) has a "wiring" problem in their Power Distribution,
Metering and Billing Systems as well?
Or maybe FPL simply knows nothing about "Power Factor" and it's effects on their grid. Do you
believe PF correction could actually affect an over 100% increase in VAR consumption?
Just curious!
BTW, who are these "anonamous sources?" - We hear a lot of stuff these days from
so called "anonamous sources - unfortunately about 127% of it is BS from LARPS, TROLLS & SHILLS;
therefore I always prefer to confirm their stories and their sources.
Regards,
SL
As our good friend Brandon would say - "Come On Man!" ;)
BTW - the Florida Power and Light (FPL) billing data sheet with respect to the "HES" was
posted a while back or it can be found on the Holcomb Energy System web site...
You might want to bring this data to the attention of your anonamous sources.
Then you can also include FPL in your hit piece posts as well.
But, good luck with that!
The FPL Billing Chart is below (in case you can't find it): (make sure you check the usage - kWh vs Temp)
Quote from: bistander on December 09, 2022, 11:29:09 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
The diagram indicates 1.3 Amperes for load current. Load is 3 Ohms. Ohm's Law: 1.3A * 3 Ohms = 3.9V drop across load, but I0.4V is shown as the voltmeter reading and used in your power formula. Using 1.3A * 3.9V = 5.07W, or VA, depending on pf.
bi
Are you seriously? Why do you calculate voltage drop per section and voltage drop per power?
To everyone who is trying to figure it out, I propose to solve the energy problem:
You have a resistive load of 1 kW, a single-phase generator is connected to it at the terminals of which: the voltage is U - 220V, at a frequency of 50Hz, the resistance of the generator phase winding is 1 ohm.
It is necessary to find the emf of the generator phase. In my material for this, everything is on a living example.
Many people are confused by this task. This is a very simple task for a power engineer involved in the design and construction of generators. This is what distinguishes knowledge of energy from general education. You need to know how the generator works with a load, and what it represents, the voltage in your outlet is 220V.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
Maybe you will come forward with your real name and the real names of these "Anonymous witnesses" to see, if they really have the expertize to measure these things correctly...
Otherwise it is just an Anonymous claim and nobody will believe you...
:o :o :o 8) 8)
Regards, Stefan. (Admin)
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PMHello all,
It is very uncomfortable for me to make this post. No one is a bigger fan and supporter of Holcomb Energy Systems than I. I previously shared some of this information with Jimboot in a PM but feel increasingly that it should be shared with the general forum.
This information comes from two people I have spoken with at length who had recent hands-on demonstrations of the Holcomb In Line Power Generator (ILPG) at the HES Sarasota, FL lab. The following conclusions come from these first hand witnesses, both of whom are in agreement with them.
1. The ILPG which HES is planning to market does not at all resemble the generators described in their patents or patent applications. The ILPG is identical to a fixed-rotor, slip ring motor. It is powered by 3-phase AC mains, not by pulsed DC as are the generators described in patents and patent applications. You can deduce this by careful study of public posts by HES.
2. The ILPG produces a large current gain between the input and output measuring points, verified with a current clamp meter. This has also been publicly posted by HES. But the witnesses conclude this current gain is an accompanied by a large phase shift in current with respect to the voltage.
3. The ILPG does NOT produce more power than it consumes. HES made an unwitting error, without purposeful deceit, in wiring their input and output power meters. Because the meters show a power gain, HES is convinced it is real and are proceeding full ahead when, in fact, there is no power gain at all.
When measuring 3-phase power, the voltage probes and current transformer probes for each of the 3 lines must be properly associated when connected to the power meter. If the voltage and current probes are shifted with respect to each other, the current and voltage phase relationships the meter sees are incorrect and the meter reads false power values.
The witnesses surmise that HES wired the power meter voltage and current probes incorrectly in order to show a power gain commensurate with the current gain, which they otherwise could not make sense of. The witnesses say the current gain, however, is due to its being measured inside an LC circuit, not because of an increase in power.
4. The ILPG can be configured to work as a power factor correcting device and reduce the electric bill in a facility with 3-phase mains that previously did not have appropriate power factor correction. But it will not produce any excess power.
HES has been made aware of the metering error. However, they believe the ILPG's unique properties require that the power meters' voltage and current probes should indeed be shifted with respect to one another, that the power meters should not be connected in the normal manner. HES is convinced that unorthodox power meter wiring is correct for the ILPG.
The situation is very discouraging to me. Both witnesses are impeccable. A big part of me wishes they are wrong. But I would not bet on it. Raising further red flags, despite multiple, repeated requests, HES has yet to provide them with verification of power gain in the ILPG by an independent third party who knows how to correctly measure 3-phase power, using their own meters.
I sincerely hope HES realizes their error and reverts to their patented generator which possibly might work. Best wishes to everyone who is trying to replicate that earlier technology!
:)
There is a famous DNV third party verification, do we really need more ?
Beside this, such systems could be tested in battery modus without the grid power...
Quote from: skybiker63 on December 10, 2022, 07:35:10 AM
There is a famous DNV third party verification, do we really need more ?
Beside this, such systems could be tested in battery modus without the grid power...
Holcomb has not released any video of an instrumented test of the DC switched system with batteries.
L192
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
[...]
1. The ILPG which HES is planning to market does not at all resemble the generators described in their patents or patent applications. The ILPG is identical to a fixed-rotor, slip ring motor. It is powered by 3-phase AC mains, not by pulsed DC as are the generators described in patents and patent applications. You can deduce this by careful study of public posts by HES.
It is very obvious (at least to anyone skilled in the arts) that if the ILPG is excited by the 3 phase Input from mains...it does NOT requires the DC pulsed Input.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
2. The ILPG produces a large current gain between the input and output measuring points, verified with a current clamp meter. This has also been publicly posted by HES. But the witnesses conclude this current gain is an accompanied by a large phase shift in current with respect to the voltage.
It is also very obvious, that if there is a larger current gain at each peaks (plus and minus) of each of the 3 phase sinewaves at Output, this amplification will induce to a Phase Shift related to Input, since Frequency/Time is the same for I/O.
Therefore, the only way to sync the phase shift difference (from input to output), would be to Increase the Frequency of Output to the point of synchronizing all six sinewaves (3 In-3 Out) by the same time-width.
Still, after any Frequency compensation, the peaks would be higher for Output than Input.
IMHO, it is not such a big deal at all.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
3. The ILPG does NOT produce more power than it consumes. HES made an unwitting error, without purposeful deceit, in wiring their input and output power meters. Because the meters show a power gain, HES is convinced it is real and are proceeding full ahead when, in fact, there is no power gain at all.
When measuring 3-phase power, the voltage probes and current transformer probes for each of the 3 lines must be properly associated when connected to the power meter. If the voltage and current probes are shifted with respect to each other, the current and voltage phase relationships the meter sees are incorrect and the meter reads false power values.
Again, the first wrong "assumption" in #2 leads to a wrong conclusion in #3...
HES is just keeping the same frequency at Output (in this case 60 Hertz for USA) in order not to mess any loads with a higher frequency, just to please some readings or satisfy some discrepancy from the critics.
I would not mess -at all- with increasing of Output Frequencies, just to "reconcile" a phase shift.
This phase shift would not mess -AT ALL- any Automatic, self aligned, True RMS Current Clamp Meters.
If we have one meter per each (I/O) phase, they are completely independent from each others, related to -each- currents readings, regardless of any phase shifting, they will measure currents peaks for each phase.
Again, this is just my opinion.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 10, 2022, 07:02:11 AM
Maybe you will come forward with your real name and the real names of these "Anonymous witnesses" to see, if they really have the expertize to measure these things correctly...
Otherwise it is just an Anonymous claim and nobody will believe you...
:o :o :o 8) 8)
Regards, Stefan. (Admin)
:)
Dear Sir,
I believe him. But then I am anonymous. An anonymous expert in the field of electric machinery, but who will believe that coming from an anonymous source. But look at my posts, recently, on this thread regarding the slip ring motor. I recognized and and called this correctly from the start. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
And I have good reasons for remaining anonymous. After years on forums like this, this is my first claim to be an expert. I know I'll regret it as undoubtedly I'll be demanded to prove it. My contention is that you, the reader, consider the content of my posts, not the source. I attempt, to a great degree, to offer truth, fact, and verifiable scientific knowledge and logic and arguments/discussion to apply such. Thank you for understanding my position. As always, and as often done, you, the reader, can ignore or disregard what I offer, truth.
Sincerely,
bi
Actually
I believe the point here is liability and susceptibility to lawsuits
Anonymous persons can be brought into such lawsuits ( I have recently been told this at Overunity research forum ..
Most definitely admin has placed this ( enabling a lawsuit) issue as a terms of service violation .. to hopefully keep such activities Away from his own assets,
Defamation Is not tolerated for such reasons!
Hopefully more feedback from happy customers willing to endorse...
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
BTW this is not hypothetical.. it already happened years back at overunity research forum with
Bedini claims and one anonymous members behavior!
Unlike then ( ten years ago ??) today anonymous would not be indemnified through anonymity!(I am told no such thing nowadays...?
Quote from: bistander on December 10, 2022, 11:16:48 AM
Dear Sir,
I believe him. But then I am anonymous. An anonymous expert in the field of electric machinery, but who will believe that coming from an anonymous source. But look at my posts, recently, on this thread regarding the slip ring motor. I recognized and and called this correctly from the start. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
And I have good reasons for remaining anonymous. After years on forums like this, this is my first claim to be an expert. I know I'll regret it as undoubtedly I'll be demanded to prove it. My contention is that you, the reader, consider the content of my posts, not the source. I attempt, to a great degree, to offer truth, fact, and verifiable scientific knowledge and logic and arguments/discussion to apply such. Thank you for understanding my position. As always, and as often done, you, the reader, can ignore or disregard what I offer, truth.
Sincerely,
bi
Bistander,
So what your saying is:
- take a slip-ring MOTOR, and
- physically LOCK the ROTOR.
You claim this creates a GENERATOR that will OUTPUT up to 5 (five) times the POWER
that is INPUT into the motor.
As an "expert in the field of electric machinery" please explain, in detail, how this happens.
A wiring diagram and a physics explaination would be in order for this one. Also, please
relate this back to Holcomb's claimed techniques if possible.
I do have a bit of scientific and engineering knowledge, but the "logic" and "method"
of simply locking the rotor of a motor turns it into a generator, still escapes me.
The "linear sliding magnetic field" part of Holcomb's Patent was analyzed a while back and
presented in an OUR thread, however, the "rotating magnetic field" analysis has not yet
performed by anyone; to the best of my knowledge.
This is why I ask that you provide some of your expert knowledge from the field of
electric machinery.
Thanks in advance,
SL
On that note.. where do we stand with replication attempts?
Would they not be a violation of Holcombs U.S. patent?
L192
Truth is not defamation. Truth is an absolute defense against a defamation claim.
bi
Quote from: listener192 on December 10, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
On that note.. where do we stand with replication attempts?
Would they not be a violation of Holcombs U.S. patent?
L192
Some of the patent issues were covered early on in the OUR thread...
Quote from: bistander on December 10, 2022, 12:25:38 PM
Truth is not defamation. Truth is an absolute defense against a defamation claim.
bi
Until the lawyer shows up !
And you need to hire your own ...( example already posted above at over-unity research forum !
Best not play that game with another's bank account...
Terms of service agreements are there for just such a reason..and are nonnegotiable !
Of course all members are free to pursue claims at any venue which allows such endeavors!
Quote from: SolarLab on December 10, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
Bistander,
So what your saying is:
- take a slip-ring MOTOR, and
- physically LOCK the ROTOR.
You claim this creates a GENERATOR that will OUTPUT up to 5 (five) times the POWER
that is INPUT into the motor.
As an "expert in the field of electric machinery" please explain, in detail, how this happens.
A wiring diagram and a physics explaination would be in order for this one. Also, please
relate this back to Holcomb's claimed techniques if possible.
I do have a bit of scientific and engineering knowledge, but the "logic" and "method"
of simply locking the rotor of a motor turns it into a generator, still escapes me.
The "linear sliding magnetic field" part of Holcomb's Patent was analyzed a while back and
presented in an OUR thread, however, the "rotating magnetic field" analysis has not yet
performed by anyone; to the best of my knowledge.
This is why I ask that you provide some of your expert knowledge from the field of
electric machinery.
Thanks in advance,
SL
"You claim this creates a GENERATOR that will OUTPUT up to 5 (five) times the POWER
that is INPUT into the motor."
Exactly where have you seen me claim that. Reread my posts on the subject. What I've said was ". No doubt been done thousands of times by engineers and technicians. Never heard of anomalous energy appearing. I don't understand how Holcomb does it, so I doubt it happens." See post 1531.
And similarly on previous posts about the stalled induction or synchronous machines, no excess energy appears.
Been my point/question all along: What makes Holcomb's device different? Nothing which I can see.
bi
Dear "experts in the field of electrical machines": hidden, secret, explicit and other (...) that is in the service of the system!
Answer two questions.
1. How is the mechanical power (Pk=Fv) applied to the generator shaft converted into electrical power (Pe=IU), which is measured at the generator terminals?
2. How is EMF induced in the generator conductor, which is laid in the generator groove? What is needed is not figurative reasoning, but exact processes with a mathematical description of the entire period of the sinusoidal EMF signal.
This will be enough. If you cannot, then complain to the sex reform league that you were interrogated by me about your professional suitability, evaluate something, conduct examinations in the field of electromagnetic-mechanical or solid-state machines.
Sincerely.
Quote from: bistander on December 10, 2022, 12:43:38 PM
"You claim this creates a GENERATOR that will OUTPUT up to 5 (five) times the POWER
that is INPUT into the motor."
Exactly where have you seen me claim that. Reread my posts on the subject. What I've said was ". No doubt been done thousands of times by engineers and technicians. Never heard of anomalous energy appearing. I don't understand how Holcomb does it, so I doubt it happens." See post 1531.
And similarly on previous posts about the stalled induction or synchronous machines, no excess energy appears.
Been my point/question all along: What makes Holcomb's device different? Nothing which I can see.
bi
OK, thanks for clearing that up!
I thought the same at first - can't be done - but a little study and analysis changed my mind! ;)
Have a good day...
Hi SL,
QuoteI do have a bit of scientific and engineering knowledge, but the "logic" and "method"
of simply locking the rotor of a motor turns it into a generator, still escapes me.
First off, physically a motor or generator is the same machine. How it is used typically defines which it is called. And the common definition of electric generator is device which converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. Since a device at stall (or locked rotor) has zero mechanical energy input (zero RPM), it would not be considered a functioning generator.
Like I mentioned, with induction motors, engineers and technicians often use no-load tests and locked-rotor tests to characterize the machine. Such methods were taught and used when I was involved with academa and industry. And in fact, every motor starts operation from zero RPM or at stall. Many polyphase induction motors are "turned on", or started from stall by simply slamming it across the mains. So at that instant, just before rotation commences, there is a rotating magnetic field with stationary windings on the rotor, and no excess or unexpected energy, ever, over millions of occurrences. This leads me to believe that Holcomb is mistaken or is hiding something.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on December 10, 2022, 12:28:00 PM
Some of the patent issues were covered early on in the OUR thread...
SolarLab,
I think you are refering to this line item in one of your posts
EXCEPTIONS AND LIMITATIONS TO PATENT RIGHTS: PRIVATE AND/OR NON-COMMERCIAL USE[/size]
However, the attachment was only for WIPO patents not U.S. patents.
Does anybody know what the limits/liabilites are with U.S. patent replications?
L192
Quote from: bistander on December 10, 2022, 12:43:38 PM
"You claim this creates a GENERATOR that will OUTPUT up to 5 (five) times the POWER
that is INPUT into the motor."
Exactly where have you seen me claim that. Reread my posts on the subject. What I've said was ". No doubt been done thousands of times by engineers and technicians. Never heard of anomalous energy appearing. I don't understand how Holcomb does it, so I doubt it happens." See post 1531.
And similarly on previous posts about the stalled induction or synchronous machines, no excess energy appears.
Been my point/question all along: What makes Holcomb's device different? Nothing which I can see.
bi
I do not rely on Holcomb's data, but on the experiments that were carried out with my participation (according to my recommendations).
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 10, 2022, 12:44:19 PM
Dear "experts in the field of electrical machines": hidden, secret, explicit and other (...) that is in the service of the system!
Answer two questions.
1. How is the mechanical power (Pk=Fv) applied to the generator shaft converted into electrical power (Pe=IU), which is measured at the generator terminals?
2. How is EMF induced in the generator conductor, which is laid in the generator groove? What is needed is not figurative reasoning, but exact processes with a mathematical description of the entire period of the sinusoidal EMF signal.
This will be enough. If you cannot, then complain to the reform league that you were interrogated by me about your professional suitability, evaluate something, conduct examinations in the field of electromagnetic-mechanical or solid-state machines.
Sincerely.
Hi rakarskiy,
I would be doing nothing more than teaching existing common knowledge on the subjects which you can easily find in textbooks, educational courses, on-line tutorials and other literature. So excuse me for not attempting here in this format. It is difficult enough in classroom settings and you have behaved similar to a unruly student. I do admire your ambition however recommend peer review prior to publishing.
bi
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
[...]...The ILPG is identical to a fixed-rotor, slip ring motor. It is powered by 3-phase AC mains...[...]
That statement above is very wrong, and it just describes the type of poor knowledge, the person(s) who did it, have.
It is very well known (again, by people skilled in the arts) that the type of windings, basically related to number of turns and gauge of wires in a Motor is completely OPPOSITE to those in a Generator!!!
And really, it don't matter what type of Motor or Generator we will be talking about...they all differ in their windings spec's.
A Generator Stator Output windings are wound with thick gauge windings, to have higher currents flowing, also, distributed in specific ways along the stator core in order to capture as much as possible, the 360º rotating field.
A Motor Stator is the TOTAL OPPOSITE than a Generator!!...since it is ON at all times during motoring operation, it is wound with higher resistance wire, MUCH thinner gauge than a Generator Stator. As also, the winding distribution along the core is designed in order to force the rotor to spin.
And now, talking about a specific 3 Phase Motor....The Rotor is also designed to be ON at all times during motor op...so, then, it also must be wound in a way that can stand being energized for long periods of time without becoming a resistor from an electric stove, or melting red hot.
So, how can we even conceive that just locking up a 3 Phase Motor Rotor, it would be generating more power out, like a Generator does?
How can we even write on this Forum, that HES is "identical" to a 3 Phase Motor with a locked Rotor??!!Unless it is done deliberately, with just the purpose to prove wrong a very dedicated and elaborated invention and its development.
Ufopolitics
I understand the reluctance of forum members to believe reports from anonymous witnesses. Apologies for not mentioning names. I am not authorized to do so.
Regardless, I felt it was important to post this information because so many people on this forum are placing such high hopes on the ILPG. I don't want them to be heartbroken, as I am, should they discover the ILPG does not produce power.
A few points of clarification in reply to comments:
There is no defamation of anyone at HES in this issue. They are sincere, honest people by all accounts. They fully believe their meters are correctly connected and are not attempting to fool or defraud anyone. They do not realize they have made an error.
It is important to remember that the ILPG does not at all resemble HES's patented technology. The ILPG is identical in configuration to a fixed-rotor slip ring motor. The patented technology is not that at all. Don't confuse them. HES jumped horses around the beginning of the year, possibly because the ILPG is vastly easier to manufacture and they truly believe it works.
Power in and out are at 60 HZ. Current amplification is measurably repeatable. However, with the phase shift involved, there is no associated amplification of power when metered correctly.
DNV-GL witness verification was done on the patent-applied-for technology in WO2021063522A1, not for the ILPG. Further, DNV-GL did not do their own metering, simply verified what they witnesses with the metering that was present. Regardless, that prior technology is not at issue. It very well may work.
No witness verification of the ILPG has been made public except for a short clip in one of the original HES YouTube videos. And that simply verified the numbers on the HES meters shown in the clip.
FPL graphs showing decrease in power are for 22 days only. Why no longer? Why have there been no other publicly posted results of decreased electric bills? No information about load is provided for those 22 days. No information about whether power factor correction was in use in the facility prior to ILPG installation. The ILPG can correct power factor depending on its configuration. The hypothesis is that power factor correction is responsible for this result.
No one would be happier than me or the witnesses I've spoken with to see an reputable, independent third party test the ILPG with their own meters and prove that the ILPG produces real power, and that the observations of the witnesses I've spoken with are wrong. Knowing the qualifications of the witnesses as I do, however, I believe their assessment will hold up.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 10, 2022, 01:14:41 PM
I do not rely on Holcomb's data, but on the experiments that were carried out with my participation (according to my recommendations).
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html)
Hi Rakarskiy,
Quick questions - (1) Your ROTOR has a metal core, correct (maybe obvious but maybe not) and - (2) Do you know
the type of metal used in the Stator and Rotor (electrical steel, also known as motor steel)?
Thanks,
SL Youv'e probably posted all the information somewhere but I'm too lazy to look right now!
Quote from: Beginners Mind on December 10, 2022, 01:38:52 PM
I understand the reluctance of forum members to believe reports from anonymous witnesses. Apologies for not mentioning names. I am not authorized to do so.
Regardless, I felt it was important to post this information because so many people on this forum are placing such high hopes on the ILPG. I don't want them to be heartbroken, as I am, should they discover the ILPG does not produce power.
A few points of clarification in reply to comments:
There is no defamation of anyone at HES in this issue. They are sincere, honest people by all accounts. They fully believe their meters are correctly connected and are not attempting to fool or defraud anyone. They do not realize they have made an error.
It is important to remember that the ILPG does not at all resemble HES's patented technology. The ILPG is identical in configuration to a fixed-rotor slip ring motor. The patented technology is not that at all. Don't confuse them. HES jumped horses around the beginning of the year, possibly because the ILPG is vastly easier to manufacture and they truly believe it works.
Power in and out are at 60 HZ. Current amplification is measurably repeatable. However, with the phase shift involved, there is no associated amplification of power when metered correctly.
DNV-GL witness verification was done on the patent-applied-for technology in WO2021063522A1, not for the ILPG. Further, DNV-GL did not do their own metering, simply verified what they witnesses with the metering that was present. Regardless, that prior technology is not at issue. It very well may work.
No witness verification of the ILPG has been made public except for a short clip in one of the original HES YouTube videos. And that simply verified the numbers on the HES meters shown in the clip.
FPL graphs showing decrease in power are for 22 days only. Why no longer? Why have there been no other publicly posted results of decreased electric bills? No information about load is provided for those 22 days. No information about whether power factor correction was in use in the facility prior to ILPG installation. The ILPG can correct power factor depending on its configuration. The hypothesis is that power factor correction is responsible for this result.
No one would be happier than me or the witnesses I've spoken with to see an reputable, independent third party test the ILPG with their own meters and prove that the ILPG produces real power, and that the observations of the witnesses I've spoken with are wrong. Knowing the qualifications of the witnesses as I do, however, I believe their assessment will hold up.
So Florida Power and Light only lied for 22 days - good, at least that part is cleared up!
One thing for sure - that's one hell of a Power Factor Correction...
:)
Defamatory statements are open to interpretation by lawyers
Our host has no budget for litigation nor time !
As already mentioned!
This is not a forum to hold such discussions !
Please start a discussion elsewhere on your own liability and ...
Yeesh !
Here is another report of "power factor correction" ;D
See profile for Bob Walker
Bob Walker
out of network 3rd+
CEO at Kel Mar Development / President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research
5mo
Dr. Robert Holcomb's devices are more than doubling imputed power by more than 2 times.
I have 2 In Line Generators in 2 of my buildings and my power bills are cut by more than half. More importantly, our carbon footprint is cut in half as well. They have been working since last November absolutely perfectly. Holcomb Energy is going to install more units in Tennessee at another commercial building this week. Dr. Robert Holcomb has created the devices the world has been searching for and desperately needs.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-walker-593b83b3/recent-activity/
Quote from: Lottalead on December 10, 2022, 04:34:52 PM
Here is another report of "power factor correction" ;D
See profile for Bob Walker
Bob Walker
out of network 3rd+
CEO at Kel Mar Development / President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research
5mo
Dr. Robert Holcomb's devices are more than doubling imputed power by more than 2 times.
I have 2 In Line Generators in 2 of my buildings and my power bills are cut by more than half. More importantly, our carbon footprint is cut in half as well. They have been working since last November absolutely perfectly. Holcomb Energy is going to install more units in Tennessee at another commercial building this week. Dr. Robert Holcomb has created the devices the world has been searching for and desperately needs.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-walker-593b83b3/recent-activity/
"doubling imputed power"
imputed
Interesting wording.
From the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research.
Thanks for the clip.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 10, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
"doubling imputed power"
imputed
Interesting wording.
From the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research.
Thanks for the clip.
bi
Yep, I can see wut yur sayin
- he does kinda sound like that
"Ye'all jus git er dun now - ya har wut Im sayin boy" feller, what's his name, from the TV show!
Recon he might also be from the South as well - or not - but would be nice! Southerners are
damn fine folks with lots of down to earth good charm and most are as sharp as their razor
"shavin axe" - and not scared to use it when the need arrises!
Just what the Excess Energy disruptive technology development needs right now...
::)
I do not understand the role of provocateurs of the system? Holcomb's machines are under the control of the US government. If he received patents and agreed to the restrictions and conditions, then the system is working. The question is whether this system is necessary for energy companies?
everything becomes clearer for me, I even have answers to those questions that had previously baffled me.
Quote from: SolarLab on December 10, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Hi Rakarskiy,
Quick questions - (1) Your ROTOR has a metal core, correct (maybe obvious but maybe not) and - (2) Do you know
the type of metal used in the Stator and Rotor (electrical steel, also known as motor steel)?
Thanks, SL
Youv'e probably posted all the information somewhere but I'm too lazy to look right now!
Hello!
The experiment used a purchased Chinese single-phase 5 kW generator. I don't know the manufacturer's name. It was dismantled, its rotor and stator were used for the experiment. The stator is inserted in such a way that there is no contact between the rotor iron and the stator iron. It's hard to tell what brand it is. I chewed through all the details in the material, including the labyrinths of measurements. If everything is confirmed as I understood, then in the book, the description will be more detailed. In any case, I came to that logical understanding of what still happens in generators, even ordinary ones. Probably right are those members of the forum who are sure that the fields rotate - that rotation, only rotation occurs in a constant field (flow), a variable phase will not provide this. But switching electromagnets will provide this freely. In any case, I came to the conclusion that the magnetic lines do not cross the phase wires, they form a window vortex, in the middle of which an EMF is induced.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 10, 2022, 01:14:41 PM
I do not rely on Holcomb's data, but on the experiments that were carried out with my participation (according to my recommendations).
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html)
Hi Rakarskiy,
I looked at your experiment. Those plug in energy meters do not read correctly when fed with line voltages below 100V, so at 39V (under load) I would think your reading cannot be relied upon.
Regards
L192
Quote from: SolarLab on December 10, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
Yep, I can see wut yur sayin ...
For clarification:
QuoteWhat Is Imputed Value?
Imputed value, also known as estimated imputation, is an assumed value given to an item when the actual value is not known or available. Imputed values are a logical or implicit value for an item or time set, wherein a "true" value has yet to be ascertained.
https://www.investopedia.com/
Google "imputed vs input"
bi
Quote from: listener192 on December 11, 2022, 07:16:23 AM
Hi Rakarskiy,
I looked at your experiment. Those plug in energy meters do not read correctly when fed with line voltages below 100V, so at 39V (under load) I would think your reading cannot be relied upon.
Regards
L192
There is information about this in the material. Only besides wattmeters, there were measurements with voltmeters. In different circuits at idle and under load. Don't be hasty with conclusions.
As Giordano Bruno said.
It spins however. :)
While very preliminary.
Very poor beam focusing and all that...
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 11, 2022, 06:42:18 AM
Hello!
The experiment used a purchased Chinese single-phase 5 kW generator. I don't know the manufacturer's name. It was dismantled, its rotor and stator were used for the experiment. The stator is inserted in such a way that there is no contact between the rotor iron and the stator iron. It's hard to tell what brand it is. I chewed through all the details in the material, including the labyrinths of measurements. If everything is confirmed as I understood, then in the book, the description will be more detailed. In any case, I came to that logical understanding of what still happens in generators, even ordinary ones. Probably right are those members of the forum who are sure that the fields rotate - that rotation, only rotation occurs in a constant field (flow), a variable phase will not provide this. But switching electromagnets will provide this freely. In any case, I came to the conclusion that the magnetic lines do not cross the phase wires, they form a window vortex, in the middle of which an EMF is induced.
Sincerely.
Hi Rakarskiy,
Thanks very much for the information.
Another question - Can you measure the Gauss (Tesla) of the Rotor - Stator easily at various amps?
A Gauss/Tesla Meter like the TM-197 might work to measure "B" with the thin probe (use PC USB
to record a few thousand measurements per current step).
[[If you need a Tenmars TM-197 or Latnex MF-30K - PM me...]]
Regards,
SL
Hi SolarLab!
Unfortunately, nothing will work out, the guy who conducted the experiment has good opportunities and has a device for measuring magnetic dependence. Since the summer I have not contacted him (war). By the way, measuring the magnitude of the magnetic field in the gap does not give a complete picture, it can only be calculated from the inverse (EMF in phase at idle). I simply cannot post everything that is not mine (many people share information with me, but this is their information and I do not have the right to post everything). Photographs show deep research.
Everything works great, this is for the skeptics.
But now I may have found the component from which to build on.
Hi Rakarskiy,
Thanks and I can certainly appreciate the "confidentiality" - it's a very good business and personal practice to always
consider it in the scheme of things.
Good luck and take care - hopefully the politics (war) will quickly sort itself out.
SL
Уважаемый Ракарский,смотрите что мне тут сегодня подкинули...
The other ones can too... :)
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 11, 2022, 02:48:40 AM
I do not understand the role of provocateurs of the system? Holcomb's machines are under the control of the US government. If he received patents and agreed to the restrictions and conditions, then the system is working. The question is whether this system is necessary for energy companies?
everything becomes clearer for me, I even have answers to those questions that had previously baffled me.
This is why the inline generators are being allowed by the government, or should I say the people that control the government. The reason is the power companies will be allowed to use this tech to increase their profits. They will install it in their distribution stations ahead of the consumer. Their generation costs will fall drastically, but we, the end user, will still pay the higher prices.
If you are wealthy, you may be able to have one at your residence or business too. But only if you can afford it. I expect a batch of legislation or regulation laws will be created to throw obstacles into the path of private use too.
Of course this is just my opinion.
Quote from: kolbacict on December 14, 2022, 05:40:16 AM
Уважаемый Ракарский,смотрите что мне тут сегодня подкинули...
The other ones can too... :)
Therefore, a problem arises as to how the electromagnetic system of an electromagnetic machine in which the phase wire is laid in a groove works. Useless work, as for a designer.
And also an asynchronous generator, where the rotor is a "squirrel cage", in no way cancels the parameter of the electromagnetic moment of the generator.
But Holcomb's double squirrel cage generator has COP-4
Quote from: Cadman on December 14, 2022, 08:04:57 AM
This is why the inline generators are being allowed by the government, or should I say the people that control the government. The reason is the power companies will be allowed to use this tech to increase their profits. They will install it in their distribution stations ahead of the consumer. Their generation costs will fall drastically, but we, the end user, will still pay the higher prices.
If you are wealthy, you may be able to have one at your residence or business too. But only if you can afford it. I expect a batch of legislation or regulation laws will be created to throw obstacles into the path of private use too.
Of course this is just my opinion.
I think such devices are already in operation, they produce energy that is sold to the consumer at market prices. For example "Earth engine" from the USA.
"Earth engine" a very bad example to use
"Issues" which need not be discussed here .. can be found
On Google search!
Unless something has changed recently?
One question which I am a bit afraid to ask ( my ignorance in these things)
3phase industrial users if they we're unaware of power factor correction technology
What would a typical savings look like to that "unaware user" once he installed a typical correction unit ( not at all referring to unit being discussed in thread subject !
Would a typical power factor unit save a heavy 3phase user
"Quote "
It's saving incredible amount
"quote "1/3 rd of previous bills "?
Also
Still trying to qualify some customer feedback I have heard through grapevine
Please no "he said she said" on topic claimant ( Stefan's liability is key issue here)
This is just a question on typical heavy user with no industry standard power factor correction
Before and after savings?
Percentage wise ?
I know it's hard question..however?
Perspective is good to know !
PFC (Power Factor Correction, power factor correction, reactive power compensation) is a characteristic attribute for switching power supplies, indicating the presence of a certain circuit in them, which allows you to approximate the useful and received power.
It is one thing to produce, another thing is to protect the generation equipment from a reverse reactive power pulse. If this is not provided for, a serious buyer cannot be found.
"Earth engine" was developed for remote areas. Why don't you like the example? Very good, free energy is sold for money as carbon footprint energy. That's where it happens, they won't tell us exactly
Quote from: ramset on December 14, 2022, 10:46:24 AM
"Earth engine" a very bad example to use
"Issues" which need not be discussed here .. can be found
On Google search!
Unless something has changed recently?
One question which I am a bit afraid to ask ( my ignorance in these things)
3phase industrial users if they we're unaware of power factor correction technology
What would a typical savings look like to that "unaware user" once he installed a typical correction unit ( not at all referring to unit being discussed in thread subject !
Would a typical power factor unit save a heavy 3phase user
"Quote "
It's saving incredible amount
"quote "1/3 rd of previous bills "?
Also
Still trying to qualify some customer feedback I have heard through grapevine
Please no "he said she said" on topic claimant ( Stefan's liability is key issue here)
This is just a question on typical heavy user with no industry standard power factor correction
Before and after savings?
Percentage wise ?
I know it's hard question..however?
Perspective is good to know !
Hello ramset,
Below are a couple explanatory sites. The third has actual calculator. My understanding is that cost saving is handled via contract between user and utility.
bi
https://hillhousepower.com/power-factor-correction?gclid=CjwKCAiAheacBhB8EiwAItVO2xnzUYfuFyP8oJ_Vw5ZQM1OQO5gZSS9OFUFwePXkjKz8cM6hv9iE1hoCDHIQAvD_BwE
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser
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www.CDE.comSavings and Application Guide for Power Factor Correction and Harmonic Solutions
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edit: third link doesn't work. Copy entire line and paste into Google.
Hey Chet
QuotePlease no "he said she said" on topic claimant ( Stefan's liability is key issue here)
This is just a question on typical heavy user with no industry standard power factor correction
Before and after savings?
I used to design and build my own AC induction motors/generators and stand alone island mode systems.
Simply put an inductance(L) acts like a mass and a capacitance(C) like a spring in LC systems. So an induction motor/generator is like a LC oscillator in itself within the larger grid LC oscillator. When we speak of power factor correction were talking about adding more C to compensate for an excess of L in the system.
It's not actually the motor/generator causing the issue but the self-inductance of the stator in relationship to the induced field of the loaded rotor. Excess loading/lack of stator capacitance causes increased slippage ergo increased induction on the rotor and heating losses. Simply put the stator/rotor starts acting like a space heater. In island mode systems a lack of C to properly induce the rotor with enough reactive power to lock the stator/rotor fields can cause excess slippage or even a loss of rotor induction all together.
So by adding more C to correct the LC/ power factor we can reduce the losses. Were basically switching in more or less C to compensate for a changing L. Losses can run up to 20% because the motor basically becomes a resistance heater and I have even seen motors start on fire.
We could also think of it this way, your house is separated from the grid by a big step down transformer. So the transformer and all the other loads have a combined L and C. In effect it's a big LC oscillator and when the L or C are out of sync it starts dissipating some of the energy as heat. The energy doesn't just disappear it always shows up as heat somewhere in the system.
AC
Quotereactive power is the energy that passes from the source to the reactive elements of the receiver, after which it returns back to the source in the period of one oscillation. The reactive power index directly depends on the apparent and active power.
For a synchronous generator, energy recovery is possible only in the period of one voltage pulse, when the reactive pulse is higher than that of the generator in one period. This is a problem for the generator, so special equipment is needed to protect the generator circuit from external sources.
In the line of the Holcomb transformation there is a synchronous principle of the generator as a transformation. As my research shows, it involves a lot of things.
As you can see, Holcomb is already making a 200 kW machine. It's good that they have a sense of humor.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 15, 2022, 12:06:05 AM
For a synchronous generator, energy recovery is possible only in the period of one voltage pulse, when the reactive pulse is higher than that of the generator in one period. This is a problem for the generator, so special equipment is needed to protect the generator circuit from external sources.
In the line of the Holcomb transformation there is a synchronous principle of the generator as a transformation. As my research shows, it involves a lot of things.
As you can see, Holcomb is already making a 200 kW machine. It's good that they have a sense of humor.
Such as- maybe you could elaborate a bit - curious... (if it's not confidential of course)
The principle of operation of a synchronous generator is based on the principle of electromagnetic induction. A rotor with magnetic poles rotates a rotating magnetic field, which, closing the stator winding, induces an EMF in it. When the generator is connected to a circuit with a load. it is a power source.
In the asynchronous machines under consideration (above), the rotor had a rotation speed different from the rotation speed of the stator magnetic field, then in synchronous these frequencies are equal to each other.
Question: just in technology, how EMF is induced in the wire of the phase of the generator, laid in the stator groove.
Traditionally in textbooks they write that magnetic lines cross the conductor.
Find the answer how it happens, get the exact answer how to design a machine similar to Holcomb.
All this I will describe in the book. Learned very clearly how to get into a dead end.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 15, 2022, 02:11:45 AM
The principle of operation of a synchronous generator is based on the principle of electromagnetic induction. A rotor with magnetic poles rotates a rotating magnetic field, which, closing the stator winding, induces an EMF in it. When the generator is connected to a circuit with a load. it is a power source.
In the asynchronous machines under consideration (above), the rotor had a rotation speed different from the rotation speed of the stator magnetic field, then in synchronous these frequencies are equal to each other.
Question: just in technology, how EMF is induced in the wire of the phase of the generator, laid in the stator groove.
Traditionally in textbooks they write that magnetic lines cross the conductor.
Find the answer how it happens, get the exact answer how to design a machine similar to Holcomb.
All this I will describe in the book. Learned very clearly how to get into a dead end.
Hi Rakarskiy,
Thanks.
Attached a related paper that deals with "Development of large salient-pole synchronous machines
by using fractional-slot concentrated windings" that you might find interesting. The FSCW winding pattern is
quite interesting IMHO.
However, I'm not sure a mechanically driven synchronous rotating generator, other than a few technical specs,
really explaines the HES well enough.
Not sure if the "red highlighted" part of your post "Question:" is actually a question or not but I'll take a stab at
a short answer: "Magnetic Induction" - take a simple magnet, attach an iron bar to one of the pole ends, the "iron bar" will
become a Magnet due to magnetic induction. Put a non-magnetic piece between them and they become independant.
You need a ferrious metal to achieve decent coupling - air is a poor magnetic flux conductor at low frequencies.
Or, wrap a wire coil around a nail, add a battery to the coil, bring another nail with a coil close to the battery coil nail end;
magnetic induction, via the nails, will set up a current in the second coil as the mutual inductive fields expand and
contract. The air spacing between the nails ensures the two circuits are (somewhat) isolated. If the nail ends touch one
coil will interact with the other; like what happens in a transformer.
Of course since motors rotate they can't have a solid connection between the stator and rotor. HES seperates them for
isolation.
Or whatever.... :P Of course - I'm sure the "rocket scientists" here can better explain it in much more fine detail.
Regards,
SL
According to this document, you obviously will not be able to design anything.
First, there are no fundamentals for designing the basic elements of an electrical circuit. The mechanism of EMF formation in the phase wire is not disclosed for two types of machines: stator with grooves or rods / pole piece.
Most importantly, there is no calculation of peak values for the electrical circuit. The generator is not an independent electrical element, it works in an electrical circuit where there is a load and mains voltage that must be withstand. In my opinion, the basic principle of the rotor-stator magnetic circuit is not respected. In the engineering EMF formula itself, there is a parameter that must be provided.
These are the materials that only confuse.
If you want to understand how a generator works, start with a basic frame in a magnetic field and calculate a circuit with a load.
PS
As for magnetic induction and electromagnetic induction, they are connected only to connected circuits. In addition to the electrical circuit in the generator, there is a magnetic circuit in which the air gap is its element. It is in the air gap method, according to the designers, that a more correct sinusoidal signal is formed. There is nothing superfluous in the generator; everything is connected. Therefore, Dr. Holcomb's solid state machine must take into account many details. This is already a technology, except for the admiration of his work, I can not say anything.
rakarskiy
QuoteThe principle of operation of a synchronous generator is based on the principle of electromagnetic induction. A rotor with magnetic poles rotates a rotating magnetic field, which, closing the stator winding, induces an EMF in it. When the generator is connected to a circuit with a load. it is a power source.
In the asynchronous machines under consideration (above), the rotor had a rotation speed different from the rotation speed of the stator magnetic field, then in synchronous these frequencies are equal to each other.
I would agree however I don't think that's the question on most peoples mind.
In synchronous and asynchronous machines the rotors magnetic field is changing through a physical motion/rotation to induce the stator. The physical motion of the rotor is the energy input which is directly proportional to the motion of the electrons in the stator which is the energy output. Here we can easily track the energy, the energy as physical motion in equals the energy of the electrons motion in the circuit out.
However with a stationary rotor the only supposed option left is transformer theory relating to mutual induction. That is, the total energy of the electrons into the primary winding input is proportional to the total energy of the electrons out of secondary winding output. It doesn't matter if we have more transformer coils, there orientation or whether the magnetic fields are rotating the same transformer rules apply.
As we can see it's problematic because regardless of whether the rotor and it's magnetic field moves or not the input/output energy are always assumed to be equal. Ergo, if we move the rotor generator rules apply and we don't move the rotor transformer rules apply.
There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?. That is, if the electrons on the output moved more then some part of the input must have moved more in order for energy to be conserved. I think that's the real question most people want answered.
AC
Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
rakarskiy
I would agree however I don't think that's the question on most peoples mind.
In synchronous and asynchronous machines the rotors magnetic field is changing through a physical motion/rotation to induce the stator. The physical motion of the rotor is the energy input which is directly proportional to the motion of the electrons in the stator which is the energy output. Here we can easily track the energy, the energy as physical motion in equals the energy of the electrons motion in the circuit out.
However with a stationary rotor the only supposed option left is transformer theory relating to mutual induction. That is, the total energy of the electrons into the primary winding input is proportional to the total energy of the electrons out of secondary winding output. It doesn't matter if we have more transformer coils, there orientation or whether the magnetic fields are rotating the same transformer rules apply.
As we can see it's problematic because regardless of whether the rotor and it's magnetic field moves or not the input/output energy are always assumed to be equal. Ergo, if we move the rotor generator rules apply and we don't move the rotor transformer rules apply.
There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?. That is, if the electrons on the output moved more then some part of the input must have moved more in order for energy to be conserved. I think that's the real question most people want answered.
AC
Hello AC,
It always has been like that...we have everything in front of our eyes, but we turn our heads in the opposite direction...
A very simple example:
The Maglev Train.A Maglev Train can travel at speeds up to 375 miles per hour...by just having sets of coils which "move" a Virtual Magnetic Field, carrying a very heavy Mass weight, including all passengers onboard...
Now, the rails do not "physically" move, nor have any type of gears, nor chains with hooks to drag train along the tracks...
Maglev trains have basically two main systems, one where the Magnetic Field Coils are in charge to slightly levitate train above tracks (making train "lighter" as serving as magnetic bearings)...and a second system to propulse train and accelerate it up to and above 300 mph...Then it also have the stability control systems, but not important on this example.
Then there are people posting on other Threads that Magnetic Fields does not accelerate mass...then going on details about an electron spin field...??!!
I could have cited other examples, as it is an AC Induction motor...or a BLDC Motor...but I believe a maglev train is easier to understand as it travels in a linear fashion...
On another note, a plain and simple Transformer, does not have a Virtual Rotating Field structural design, just a basic mass of steel with just two or three coils wrapped around, no sequenced coils traveling field on spacetime...so, it does not apply based on induction linkage for these type of Generators we are discussing here..
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?.
I already spoke here, but no one heard me.
Extra motion for rotating feld could give a magnetic speed-up gearbox that is used for mechanical transmissions. For this offer alone, Robert should have taken me into his company and provided me with free beer and lobsters for life. 8)
Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
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There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?
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AC
What motion?
Nothing moves on Holcomb's device, no physical part, just moving charges input, traveling magnetic flux (RMF), and moving charges output.
Yes, like a transformer, but transformers use varying flux magnitude, and Holcomb's device uses flux displacement. Obviously a displacement of flux, or of a field, requires time, similar to a change in flux magnitude, or field strength. Some argu they're the same thing. I believe they are different, but have the same effect and obey superposition principle. Induced voltage results from either or both.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 16, 2022, 08:34:09 AM
Hello AC,
It always has been like that...we have everything in front of our eyes, but we turn our heads in the opposite direction...
A very simple example: The Maglev Train.
A Maglev Train can travel at speeds up to 375 miles per hour...by just having sets of coils which "move" a Virtual Magnetic Field, carrying a very heavy Mass weight, including all passengers onboard...
Now, the rails do not "physically" move, nor have any type of gears, nor chains with hooks to drag train along the tracks...
Maglev trains have basically two main systems, one where the Magnetic Field Coils are in charge to slightly levitate train above tracks (making train "lighter" as serving as magnetic bearings)...and a second system to propulse train and accelerate it up to and above 300 mph...Then it also have the stability control systems, but not important on this example.
Then there are people posting on other Threads that Magnetic Fields does not accelerate mass...then going on details about an electron spin field...??!!
I could have cited other examples, as it is an AC Induction motor...or a BLDC Motor...but I believe a maglev train is easier to understand as it travels in a linear fashion...
On another note, a plain and simple Transformer, does not have a Virtual Rotating Field structural design, just a basic mass of steel with just two or three coils wrapped around, no sequenced coils traveling field on spacetime...so, it does not apply based on induction linkage for these type of Generators we are discussing here..
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics - great post!
F.Y.I. LinGen (or other) Fabrication Approach Fabricating a LinGen Rotor/Stator from "Soft Magnetic Materials" can be difficult and expensive. Wire Coils, MOSFET Drivers
and a Controller (STM32 Microprocessor) are relatively straight forward and easily done by one "skilled-in-the-art."
As seen in this video [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSN5Yz1Xq1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSN5Yz1Xq1Q) ] using a 20W hobby Diode Laser a 0.004" - 0.006"
thick steel sheet of shim stock can be cut in 2 passes at 6mm per second (?).
Thin Magnetic Metals with a variety of characteristics are available, for example:
[ https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/precision-thin-metals/ (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/precision-thin-metals/) ] .
So, connect the dots...
Another approach using the Diode Laser is "Laser Sintering." {a future subject}
Also NOTE that a company just announced a pre-order for a +33W Diode Laser for about $1200US - Atomstack X30
[ https://www.atomstack.net/products/atomstack-x30-pro-160w-6-core-laser-engraving-and-cutting-machine?variant=43713588396282 (https://www.atomstack.net/products/atomstack-x30-pro-160w-6-core-laser-engraving-and-cutting-machine?variant=43713588396282) ]
Again - connect the dots....
Draw out your Stator/Rotor design, determine the cost/performance specs, purchase the amount
of Thin Magnetic Metal sheets required, Laser Cut them, stack them (laminate) , add the Wire Coils, MOSFETS, Driver Boards
and Control Processor, turn the crank (so to speak) and see what you've got. A Gauss/Tesla Meter helps [ https://www.ebay.com/itm/154023934198 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/154023934198) ]
Recall - this approach is geared towards developing a "Course" that can be easily implemented by
educational institutes so the cost and ease-of-use are primary concerns. The above information is nothing more than suggestions and observations - nothing else!
Good Luck and have a Great Weekend! (This info may be added to the OUR thread as it progresses)
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on December 16, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
I already spoke here, but no one heard me.
Extra motion for rotating feld could give a magnetic speed-up gearbox that is used for mechanical transmissions. For this offer alone, Robert should have taken me into his company and provided me with free beer and lobsters for life. 8)
Hi Kolbacict,
I (still) hear you! Good observations...
BUT - as I see it; the LinGen (or HES) doesn't need "extra motion" as used in a "magnetic speed-up gearbox" effect.
To increase the "speed" of the sliding (or rotating) Magnetic Field all that needs to be done is increase the input Frequency (Pulse Rate).
This is, of course, design dependant - Wire Coil design (Inductance) and Magnetic Material (B-H Loop) performance. Increasing the
Frequency and/or increasing the Current (within limits of the system) will increase output.
Sorry, no free beer and lobster this week, but, just maybe for your next idea! ;)
So please - keep 'em comming... always appreciate any ideas and thoughts!
SL
bistander
QuoteWhat motion?
Nothing moves on Holcomb's device, no physical part, just moving charges input, traveling magnetic flux (RMF), and moving charges output.
Your contradiction in the first sentence is why I like to use the term motion to describe energy. First your claim nothing moves (physically) then explaining how everything is in fact moving on some level. I get it, everyone seems to do it, I just disagree with the concept.
Many don't understand "Energy is Motion" and were simple changing the level on which the motion occurs ie. linear motion of an object to molecular motion as heat. The energy is conserved because the motion is conserved. This includes all forms of matter and Electro-Magnetic fields. For example, an electron moves>>>it's electric field moves>>>this produces a moving/changing magnetic field>>>this induces a force on other electrons>>>an electron moves. The connection between every form of energy is motion.
QuoteYes, like a transformer, but transformers use varying flux magnitude, and Holcomb's device uses flux displacement. Obviously a displacement of flux, or of a field, requires time, similar to a change in flux magnitude, or field strength. Some argue they're the same thing. I believe they are different, but have the same effect and obey superposition principle. Induced voltage results from either or both.
I claimed either generator or transformer rules apply because the load doesn't care whether the magnet is moving or it's magnetic field is moving. This is why Faraday said it doesn't matter how the "field change" occurs only that it does. The fact remains that according to conventional theory we can move the material stuff or it's fields any way we can imagine but at the end of the day the Energy/motion is always conserved.
Playing word games, special descriptions, equations and terminologies, simulations/graphics and such cannot change these facts in the real world. Which is why Holcomb having little idea where the extra energy actually came from claimed it was the "extra motion" of electron spins in the iron cores. Do you see the connection?, the extra motion of the electron spins translates to the extra motion of the electrons in the load conductors as a current. However, that cannot explain where the extra motion of the electron spins in the iron came from in the first place, hence our dilemma.
AC
Hey AC - that's the lamest "Red Face duck" excuse I've seen in a long while!
Thanks for the humor...
:)
BTW # No real excuses anymore - get a laser diode cutter, a few sheets of magnetic metal
and prove to yourself "the HES tech" works... (see my post above) Ergo - Hope you see the connection!
Also, in a recent post you infered the HES had to relate to a transformer, however consider this:
"Magnetic Induction" - take a simple magnet, attach an iron bar to one of the pole ends, the "iron bar" will
become a Magnet due to magnetic induction. Put a non-magnetic piece between them and they become independant.
You need a ferrious metal to achieve decent coupling - air is a poor magnetic flux conductor at low frequencies.
Or, wrap a wire coil around a nail, add a battery to the coil, bring another nail with a coil close to the battery coil nail end;
magnetic induction, via the nails, will set up a current in the second coil as the mutual inductive fields expand and
contract. The air spacing between the nails ensures the two circuits are (somewhat) isolated. If the nail ends touch one
coil will interact with the other; like what happens in a transformer.
Of course since motors rotate they can't have a solid connection between the stator and rotor. HES seperates them for
isolation.
NOTE: We learned where the "excess energy" comes from in our Grade 7 or 8 Physics classes. Alignment of the iron's
tiny natural atomic magnets, wow, just like aligning a bunch of the big brother ones! Welcome to Scientific Science.
Been that way since the beginning of time and will likely stay that way for a while! (attached)
Quote from: onepower on December 16, 2022, 07:30:34 PM
bistander
Your contradiction in the first sentence is why I like to use the term motion to describe energy. First your claim nothing moves (physically) then explaining how everything is in fact moving on some level. I get it, everyone seems to do it, I just disagree with the concept.
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AC
Yes, AC, I've read your take on it before.
So when you say "There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra
motion on the input?", you really mean "There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra
energy on the input?", right?
Isn't that the whole point of Holcomb's invention? There is no
extra energy on the input. The device makes it inside the iron and delivers it on the output. That's what we're supposed to buy.
So I'll answer your obvious question. There is no extra energy on the input, hence no extra energy on the output.
bi
It's like a "heavier than air" object - it simply can't fly!
Stay safe - drive...
8)
Then of course, after all the nonsense and such - I say KITE...
Magnetically levitated "of course"...
:)
bistander
QuoteYes, AC, I've read your take on it before.
So when you say "There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra motion on the input?", you really mean "There is no free lunch and the most obvious question is where is the extra energy on the input?", right?
The terms Energy and Motion both relate to how much something changes with respect to time so we can use them in the same context.
In general terms energy always relates to the motion of something with respect to everything else. As Einstein said "Nothing happens until something moves", key word move.
QuoteIsn't that the whole point of Holcomb's invention? There is no extra energy on the input. The device makes it inside the iron and delivers it on the output. That's what we're supposed to buy.
I think I see the problem, I considered the extra energy from the electron spins in the iron as an additional input into the system. We input X energy into the system, the extra electron spins in the iron input an additional Y energy into the system, the total output is then X+Y. I assumed this was true because Holcomb was using a series setup where the input energy was not dissipated within the device.
Think of it this way, I analyze a system just like you would however I also pay extra attention to the energy flow which most people ignore. I do this because first and foremost were speaking about an energy device.
QuoteSo I'll answer your obvious question. There is no extra energy on the input, hence no extra energy on the output.
If this were true then the whole device would simply act like an inductor, energy in equals energy out, not a FE generator in my opinion.
AC
Quote from: SolarLab on December 16, 2022, 04:16:21 PM
To increase the "speed" of the sliding (or rotating) Magnetic Field all that needs to be done is increase the input Frequency (Pulse Rate).
Hello. Yes, but it was already done this spring, I seems it was Bi, using a mechanical switch from the electric motor manifold. With an increase in the switching frequency, the output power at the stator actually increased. But up to a certain frequency limit, then there was some kind of breakdown, and a drop in power. In my experiments, I also could not get more power at the output than was fed to the input.
Quote from: onepower on December 17, 2022, 01:34:11 AM
bistander
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If this were true then the whole device would simply act like an inductor, energy in equals energy out, not a FE generator in my opinion.
AC
Hi AC,
I get the feeling that you believe in Holcomb's invention and that it delivers free energy. Why then doesn't every other motor, generator and transformer deliver this same free, or extra energy? What is different or special about his device or method?
I've not seen any clues in his patents, have you?
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on December 17, 2022, 01:40:09 AM
Hello. Yes, but it was already done this spring, I seems it was Bi, using a mechanical switch from the electric motor manifold. With an increase in the switching frequency, the output power at the stator actually increased. But up to a certain frequency limit, then there was some kind of breakdown, and a drop in power. In my experiments, I also could not get more power at the output than was fed to the input.
Correction, it was Ufopolitics, I think.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 01:54:33 AM
Why then doesn't every other motor, generator and transformer deliver this same free, or extra energy?
Oh but they do, it's just the billing department that keeps getting things wrong. ;)
I wonder when we can add:
https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
to these big names with their flashy product lines:
https://infinitysav.com/ (https://infinitysav.com/)
https://ie.energy/ (https://ie.energy/)
They're still out there with a bottomless pit of funding. Got to wonder what is really going on, who is doing it and why.
I guess the next move will be LENR with all sorts of promises. The promise you won't hear about is the meter that comes with it.
Seriously on the HES device, I've got to think with all the engineering that has taken place with motors and generators over the many years, someone would have stumbled over such a simple concept by accident multiple times. I remember the sailors onboard ship in the motor winding shop, certainly if there was a way to coil-up a machine that could provide power to a warship, the skipper would have given them the green light to do so. I never saw it, never heard anyone talk about, not even a rumor. Can I say it never happened? No, but it should have happened multiple times on multiple vessels and many of those guys go to port, drink a lot and say things that get them in trouble. And I've seen these guys, what they can do with a chunk of steel and a spool of wire, mind blowing. These guys in Holcomb's shop would be turning out pallet after pallet of units. They'd be everywhere by now. So what gives? Apparently they aren't in it for the money, must be something else...
Oh that's right, they're going to save the world.
Do you know what came to my mind ?
Power in the secondary circuit (rotor) can be excited not only by direct induction or rotation.
This can be achieved by parametrically changing the rotor inductance.
Just as it is done in parametric transformers. ;)
Could this be his secret?
Robert, where's my beer? >:(
Quote from: kolbacict on December 17, 2022, 03:12:18 AM
Robert, where's my beer? >:(
Not until you build us a diode that only allows power to go in one direction. Power, not energy, not voltage or current. Then I'll consider getting you a beer. ;)
See the problem? Power is energy per unit of time. Power has time built into it. It's not a static object. It's dynamic by definition. You can't just stop everything and adjust it. If time stops, well, nothing really matters anymore.
You have to consider the power to the load and the back EMF from the load both happen simultaneously and at the same instant. Pretty hard to sneak something in between that stops the load from pushing back without the power to the load also being reduced. It's the old "pay me now or pay me later", but either way, you're going to pay.
So AC says Energy is motion. I wonder if he claims Power to be acceleration.
bi
Good health to everyone!
I do not want to convince or dissuade anyone of anything!
Electromagnetic energy - is INDUCTIONS. There is movement, even a shift of the magnetic flux relative to some fixed point. The point is taken as a conductor laid in a groove. It does not matter if there is a di physical rotation of the rotor or only a switchable magnetic flux.
In this conductor, you need to induce an EMF. EMF is induced both without load and with load, but the indicators are different.
I hinted to everyone that they need to figure out how the EMF is induced in the generator stator slot.
Even more I will say, this method is completely the same as the transformer. It is according to this formula that the EMF of a transformer is used for a generator in which the wires are laid in a groove.
Peace for everyone! We wish a speedy victory over the Russian cannibals!
Rakarskiy,
you seem hung up on grooves. Both transformers and generators (motors) can function with no grooves. Even with no cores.
bi
The question is not how it can work. The question is how it works - the Holcomb Energy System. I found the fulcrum from which you need to start, everything became in a logical line, for designing. I will not say that it will be simple, but it is possible using this method of technology.
bistander
QuoteI get the feeling that you believe in Holcomb's invention and that it delivers free energy. Why then doesn't every other motor, generator and transformer deliver this same free, or extra energy? What is different or special about his device or method?
I've not seen any clues in his patents, have you?
I think you need a new hobby because this field of technology is obviously way above your pay grade.
AC
Quote from: kolbacict on December 17, 2022, 03:12:18 AM
Do you know what came to my mind ?
Power in the secondary circuit (rotor) can be excited not only by direct induction or rotation.
This can be achieved by parametrically changing the rotor inductance.
Just as it is done in parametric transformers. ;)
Could this be his secret?
Robert, where's my beer? >:(
Interesting thought. I'll gladly buy beer.
It's not hard to imagine Holcomb's rotor tooth saturating, but where's the cross field?
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 10:38:31 AM
It's not hard to imagine Holcomb's rotor tooth saturating, but where's the cross field?
I don't know. Maybe there is somewhere. I do not consider myself a great connoisseur of electric motors. Just if it is possible in a parametric transformer, why not in a cylindrical "motor".
I just turned a steel ball in a three-phase stator at low frequencies, below 50 Hz.
The ball is really spinning. Another way to observe a rotating field.
It's hard to look for a black cat in a black room. It's especially hard to find if it's not there. Until you know the EMF induction mechanism, you cannot design a product like Holcomb.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 17, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
It's hard to look for a black cat in a black room. It's especially hard to find if it's not there. Until you know the EMF induction mechanism, you cannot design a product like Holcomb.
Hi rakarskiy,
Faraday's Law and Maxwell's equations suffice for all the electric machinery on the planet. I agree that those principles do not account for what Holcomb claims. So do tell us what does, please.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on December 17, 2022, 12:33:03 PM
...
I just turned a steel ball in a three-phase stator at low frequencies, below 50 Hz.
The ball is really spinning. Another way to observe a rotating field.
Cool! Sounds like the egg of Columbus. Any chance of a video?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_Egg_of_Columbus
QuoteTesla's Egg of Columbus was a device exhibited in the Westinghouse Electric display at the 1893 Chicago World's Columbian Exposition to explain the rotating magnetic field that drove the new alternating current induction motors designed by inventor Nikola Tesla by using that magnetic field to spin a copper egg on end.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 10:38:31 AM
Interesting thought. I'll gladly buy beer.
It's not hard to imagine Holcomb's rotor tooth saturating, but where's the cross field?
bi
If one considers the individually wound rotor poles and how Holcomb generates say a moving North pole relative to the stator windings, it would be required that the adjacent poles in the rotor would be bucking each other. It is only with this condition that a moving pole could be generated at the very ends of the rotor poles by sequential switching. If this is the case, then the rotor poles would be capable of very high flux densities without saturating.
Pm
I had a conversation with one designer of electromechanical machines. He then told me that those engineers who come to them are being retrained. Not everyone stays. The problem is that engineering formulas are not always explained by physicists. The fact is, but how it happens is unknown. This is the case with a synchronous generator, where the winding is laid in a groove. You talk a lot about a rotating field, but what does it look like and do you know its structure? Earlier I posted a simple task, did you register it? Designing generators is the pinnacle of electrical engineering.
Quote from: partzman on December 17, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
If one considers the individually wound rotor poles and how Holcomb generates say a moving North pole relative to the stator windings, it would be required that the adjacent poles in the rotor would be bucking each other. It is only with this condition that a moving pole could be generated at the very ends of the rotor poles by sequential switching. If this is the case, then the rotor poles would be capable of very high flux densities without saturating.
Pm
"and are repelled by flux 58b and 57b, respectively, further pushing the pole field from
left to right in North and South poles 58, 57. "
"and repelled by flux 58c and 57c further pushing the pole field from left to right."
HE is simply mimicking moving magnets.
Quote from: partzman on December 17, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
If one considers the individually wound rotor poles and how Holcomb generates say a moving North pole relative to the stator windings, it would be required that the adjacent poles in the rotor would be bucking each other. It is only with this condition that a moving pole could be generated at the very ends of the rotor poles by sequential switching. If this is the case, then the rotor poles would be capable of very high flux densities without saturating.
Pm
Hi Pm,
Saturation occurs at a specific level of "flux density" so the following statement is confusing.
Quotethen the rotor poles would be capable of very high flux densities without saturating.
Did you mean this?
then the rotor poles would be capable of very high
flux without saturating.
I've gone through this rotor layout in detail. You can find the exchange/discussion with Ufopolitics earlier in this thread.** I'll attach a patent drawing which I marked up for reference.
In a standard motor or generator, the stator is the primary (connected to the 3-phase mains)*, so it determines the pole count, which is 4 (2 pole pairs, N,S,N,S around the rotor) indicated by shading on the diagram. Each pole encompasses 4 rotor teeth. When applying Faraday's equation, the average flux per pole, or the integration of flux density over the area of the pole cross section at the air gap is used. This value of flux/pole is consistent throughout the magnetic circuit at all times except for leakage flux (typically small percentage). The section of the magnetic circuit having the least cross sectional area will saturate soonest with increasing excitation. The cross sectional area of 4 teeth below (towards the shaft) or area around/adjacent possibly including the shaft is substantially smaller than the area of 4 tooth tips or the pole at air gap. That is where saturation will occur. That was the basis or logic of my comment regarding saturation. That area, compared to similar feature of an ordinary rotor (as found in a NEMA induction motor) is so reduced as to appear ridiculous, IMO. Not to mention structural integrity and fabrication difficulty.
And then there is the whole winding scheme where over half of the conductors in the slots cancel out. Refer to earlier discussion.
I hope that clears it up.
bi
*It appeared from the patent text that stator was of conventional design.
** See reply 285, https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/285/
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 17, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
I had a conversation with one designer of electromechanical machines. He then told me that those engineers who come to them are being retrained. Not everyone stays. The problem is that engineering formulas are not always explained by physicists. The fact is, but how it happens is unknown. This is the case with a synchronous generator, where the winding is laid in a groove. You talk a lot about a rotating field, but what does it look like and do you know its structure? Earlier I posted a simple task, did you register it? Designing generators is the pinnacle of electrical engineering.
Hi rakarskiy,
Current technology, state of art science/physics and modern material engineering work extremely well for electric machine design. Reference this article.
QuoteABB recently set the world record for electrical synchronous motor efficiency. During factory acceptance tests (FATs) carried out with the customer present, we recorded a result of 99.05% full load efficiency on a 44 megawatt, 6-pole, synchronous motor. The motor was included in a contract for six motors of the same design and they all had test results above 99% efficiency. The contract had guaranteed an efficiency of 98.80%, meaning that the efficiency on this motor is 0.25% greater than anticipated.
https://www.abb-conversations.com/2017/07/abb-motor-sets-world-record-in-energy-efficiency/
The engineers at ABB know what they're doing.
You can find the structure of RMF from the same sources, literature and schools they used. When I return to my desk I'll paste/edit the textbook & chapter # that I used. I think it is still available, later edition, no doubt.
As for your question about simple task registration, if directed to me, then, no. I don't know what you're talking about.
See, I answer your questions. Please return the favor. Go back a few posts and give answers to what I ask you. Thanks in advance.
bi
bistander
QuoteSo AC says Energy is motion. I wonder if he claims Power to be acceleration.
I only mentioned "Energy is Motion" as a different perspective.
Every credible physicist accepts that the universe is energy. They accept this because there is no example of anything in the universe which is not moving or changing in some way. It is a universal law with no exceptions that we know of.
Here's a cool video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo232kyTsO0 , "The Real Meaning of E=mc²"
As we can see mass and energy are directly related to kinetic energy which is the motion of something. Motion simply refers to the velocity of something and it's kinetic energy. Which begs the question how so many could get confused about something so simple?. How could anyone not understand motion means velocity relating to kinetic energy?.
In fact this concept relates directly to the Holcomb device. First and foremost we are speaking about energy and an energy device. Maybe this is why so few seem to understand what there doing?. There trying to build an energy device without first understanding what energy is.
AC
Hi Onepower and Bistander, and any others,
You fellows are intelligent and technically savy guys so let me ask you:
What makes you think or believe the Holcomb devices, and in particular the LinGen,
does not or will not work?
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 17, 2022, 10:40:00 PM
Hi Onepower and Bistander, and any others,
You fellows are intelligent and technically savy guys so let me ask you:
What makes you think or believe the Holcomb devices, and in particular the LinGen,
does not or will not work?
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
I have mentioned a number of times: Holcomb presents nothing out of the ordinary and claims this "extra or free" energy comes from electrical grade steel. Reading everything I can about this, I see numerous red flags. Smudge summed it up well here:
Quote from: bistander on April 16, 2022, 12:50:44 PM
Hello Chet K,
I like Smudge's previous post.
quote;
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I have looked carefully at that latest patent application (it is not a patent) WO 2018/134233. Like other Holcombe applications it is weird in that it is trying to teach the patent examiner some basic EM history with references to Faraday, Watt, Gramme, Lenz and Tesla. Perhaps he thinks that will help in getting the patent granted. He is wrong with regard to Tesla's modification to the Faraday disc, it did not cancel the reverse torque. In fact he is wrong about many of his claims which come from someone who has only a naive understanding of magnetic phenomena. He states that his rotor as static hence reverse torque is not an issue, but then later on goes into detail on how his wonderful system cancels reverse torque. He mentions graphene several times and thinks it has high permeability. In fact it is highly diamagnetic and has permeability near zero. His view on fields emanating from pole faces is naive to the extreme. He talks about field lines running parallel to the surface of the rotor (this is not a moving/ rotating field although his rotor coil sequencing attempts to do that to field lines emanating normal to those surfaces) and that is just nonsense. He talks about unipole rotors and such things can''t exist (field lines can't just appear from nowhere, there has to be a reverse pole somewhere like along the drive shaft of the rotor that doesn't exist in his machine). He does show rotors with N and S poles but then doesn't use them in his battery replacement system which needs unipole rotors. So all in all a pretty useless patent application in my view.
Smudge
unquote:
From the same thread which Chet linked. Note the sentence which I bolded. Sumdge sums up my observations nicely with that statement.
bi
So SL,
I am skeptical. Holcomb doesn't have OU or FE. I hope I'm wrong. I keep looking for some real transparent repeatable evidence which can be replicated or revelation of discovery explaining the real source of his newfound energy. But nothing even remotely encouraging happens.
Look at the resources put into fusion. Just recently news of laboratory measured OU. And reports we're just 10 years and ?$billions away from actual implementation. Compared to that, we could start using Holcomb's "technology" next week for nickels and dimes, if it wasn't just fantasy. Someone prove me wrong, please.
bi
edit:
I hit the post button instead of preview.
Re: LinGen.
Ever wonder why Holcomb himself stopped development? He appeared to be winding and wiring a physical model months ago. I see real problems from the practical EM design point of view. One is the "moving magnetic field" which encounters periodic discontinuities, unlike the RMF. Another big one is the lack of reasonable magnetic circuit. I wish you had shown a 2D cross section FEMM of it. And then the same issues I see with the round version, like the nonexistent energy.
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Cool! Sounds like the egg of Columbus. Any chance of a video?
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 01:50:16 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
Faraday's Law and Maxwell's equations suffice for all the electric machinery on the planet. I agree that those principles do not account for what Holcomb claims. So do tell us what does, please.
bi
I will write down a detailed chain of equations for electromagnetic induction. The moment when the circuit is closed is recorded.
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
Thus, the vector of the force line of the magnetic field of the medium and the vortex magnetic field of the conductor coincides, and does not oppose. The spins of the vector of the magnetic field of the medium and the electric vortex field of the conductor oppose each other, which corresponds to the original Lenz's Law and Faraday's Law. That is how things work in reality.
Further, yourself, or read in my book when I finish it.
In any case, my understanding of how the Holcomb machine works completely intersected with how a mechanical synchronous electric generator works with laying the wire in a groove.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
I will write down a detailed chain of equations for electromagnetic induction. The moment when the circuit is closed is recorded.
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
Thus, the vector of the force line of the magnetic field of the medium and the vortex magnetic field of the conductor coincides, and does not oppose. The spins of the vector of the magnetic field of the medium and the electric vortex field of the conductor oppose each other, which corresponds to the original Lenz's Law and Faraday's Law. That is how things work in reality.
Further, yourself, or read in my book when I finish it.
In any case, my understanding of how the Holcomb machine works completely intersected with how a mechanical synchronous electric generator works with laying the wire in a groove.
Thanks rakarskiy,
So your "understanding completely intersected" means Holcomb's device operates on the same principle as an alternator with a locked rotor, correct?
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 18, 2022, 12:00:00 AM
Hi SL,
I have mentioned a number of times: Holcomb presents nothing out of the ordinary and claims this "extra or free" energy comes from electrical grade steel. Reading everything I can about this, I see numerous red flags. Smudge summed it up well here:
So SL,
I am skeptical. Holcomb doesn't have OU or FE. I hope I'm wrong. I keep looking for some real transparent repeatable evidence which can be replicated or revelation of discovery explaining the real source of his newfound energy. But nothing even remotely encouraging happens.
Look at the resources put into fusion. Just recently news of laboratory measured OU. And reports we're just 10 years and ?$billions away from actual implementation. Compared to that, we could start using Holcomb's "technology" next week for nickels and dimes, if it wasn't just fantasy. Someone prove me wrong, please.
bi
edit:
I hit the post button instead of preview.
Re: LinGen.
Ever wonder why Holcomb himself stopped development? He appeared to be winding and wiring a physical model months ago. I see real problems from the practical EM design point of view. One is the "moving magnetic field" which encounters periodic discontinuities, unlike the RMF. Another big one is the lack of reasonable magnetic circuit. I wish you had shown a 2D cross section FEMM of it. And then the same issues I see with the round version, like the nonexistent energy.
Hi Bistander,
Thanks for the insightful input, appreciated a lot.
Hopefully AC, Smudge and others will chime in soon. Their analysis are appreciated as well as part of the overall conclusions.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on December 18, 2022, 01:19:53 AM
Thanks, but I get some audible noise but pitch black video on playback.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 18, 2022, 02:21:36 AM
Thanks rakarskiy,
So your "understanding completely intersected" means Holcomb's device operates on the same principle as an alternator with a locked rotor, correct?
bi
In this experiment, just, the rotor of a single-phase generator is "locked" at a certain position in the stator of the same single-phase generator. The result is approximately СOP-2 in several variants of the conduction, there is also a zero result. Can you explain step by step how it works?
Experience just demonstrates that the system works with a COP result > 1.
I'm thinking about the performance of the Holcomb Energy System with OverUnity, it's not worth pulling any more, look for an engineering solution, get the result.
The Holcomb generator works in exactly the same way as a mechanical synchronous generator.https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
The video is disgusting, I agree, like my whole life. But I have a picture, it can add more brightness ...
My phone is broken, it takes a picture with stripes, I can't publish new videos on my YouTube channel, it requires confirmation of authorization. When I try to login, I can't do it.
This war is on, damn it. >:(
Dear kolbacict,
Sorry to bother you. Thanks for the attempt. Hopefully situation improves. God bless you.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 03:20:19 AM
In this experiment, just, the rotor of a single-phase generator is "locked" at a certain position in the stator of the same single-phase generator. The result is approximately СOP-2 in several variants of the conduction, there is also a zero result. Can you explain step by step how it works?
Experience just demonstrates that the system works with a COP result > 1.
I'm thinking about the performance of the Holcomb Energy System with OverUnity, it's not worth pulling any more, look for an engineering solution, get the result.
The Holcomb generator works in exactly the same way as a mechanical synchronous generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/static-electromagnetic-transducer.html
Hi rakarskiy,
I think I could explain it, but I'm not going to attempt at distance on this format. Your explanation is confusing. But it appears that you treat the Variac like a resistor. That is incorrect. Perhaps another member can chime in.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
Hi Pm,
Saturation occurs at a specific level of "flux density" so the following statement is confusing.
Did you mean this?
then the rotor poles would be capable of very high flux without saturating.
No, it actually is flux density or flux per core cross sectional area. For example, take any closed core and wind a single coil on it. Apply a voltage to the coil until saturation is reached and take notes of all the parameters when this happens. Now, remove the original coil and wind two coils on the same core that when in a buck mode they equal the inductance of the original. This will require more wire so the penalty is increased DCR. Now apply a voltage to this arrangement until you reach saturation of the core and compare to the original single coil. Depending on the core shape/type used, you will find the saturation level is much higher. This was my point with the Holcomb rotor.
Quote
I've gone through this rotor layout in detail. You can find the exchange/discussion with Ufopolitics earlier in this thread.** I'll attach a patent drawing which I marked up for reference.
In a standard motor or generator, the stator is the primary (connected to the 3-phase mains)*, so it determines the pole count, which is 4 (2 pole pairs, N,S,N,S around the rotor) indicated by shading on the diagram. Each pole encompasses 4 rotor teeth. When applying Faraday's equation, the average flux per pole, or the integration of flux density over the area of the pole cross section at the air gap is used. This value of flux/pole is consistent throughout the magnetic circuit at all times except for leakage flux (typically small percentage). The section of the magnetic circuit having the least cross sectional area will saturate soonest with increasing excitation. The cross sectional area of 4 teeth below (towards the shaft) or area around/adjacent possibly including the shaft is substantially smaller than the area of 4 tooth tips or the pole at air gap. That is where saturation will occur. That was the basis or logic of my comment regarding saturation. That area, compared to similar feature of an ordinary rotor (as found in a NEMA induction motor) is so reduced as to appear ridiculous, IMO. Not to mention structural integrity and fabrication difficulty.
And then there is the whole winding scheme where over half of the conductors in the slots cancel out. Refer to earlier discussion.
I hope that clears it up.
bi
*It appeared from the patent text that stator was of conventional design.
** See reply 285, https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/285/
I have built small bench versions of Holcomb's linear generator with 2-4 poles and with bucking modes used in the "rotor", there is a usable output on the "stator" that will power a load. However, as you contend, the device is conservative at this stage. IMO therefore, the secret which has not been disclosed in any of his IP AFAIK, is how he is collecting the output from the stator? My own previous research in Lenz reduction points to solutions using constant current loading on a secondary by itself or in conjunction with a tracking voltage source on the secondary.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: partzman on December 18, 2022, 12:13:40 PM
No, it actually is flux density or flux per core cross sectional area. For example, take any closed core and wind a single coil on it. Apply a voltage to the coil until saturation is reached and take notes of all the parameters when this happens. Now, remove the original coil and wind two coils on the same core that when in a buck mode they equal the inductance of the original. This will require more wire so the penalty is increased DCR. Now apply a voltage to this arrangement until you reach saturation of the core and compare to the original single coil. Depending on the core shape/type used, you will find the saturation level is much higher. This was my point with the Holcomb rotor.
...
Regards,
Pm
Hi Pm,
This is saturation definition:
QuoteSeen in some magnetic materials, saturation is the state reached when an increase in applied external magnetic field H cannot increase the magnetization of the material further, so the total magnetic flux density B more or less levels off. (Though, magnetization continues to increase very slowly with the field due to paramagnetism.) Saturation is a characteristic of ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic materials, such as iron, nickel, cobalt and their alloys. Different ferromagnetic materials have different saturation levels.
from:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturation_(magnetic)
Saturation is characteristic of material (only). The shape of the material, or the coil you put near it, or the excitation of the coil, will not change the saturation level (tesla, or flux density level).
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 18, 2022, 01:48:39 PM
Hi Pm,
This is saturation definition:
Saturation is characteristic of material (only). The shape of the material, or the coil you put near it, or the excitation of the coil, will not change the saturation level (tesla, or flux density level).
bi
Hi Bi,
Yes I'm familiar with core saturation causes and characteristics. I think where we are missing each other here is when you have two equal bucking coils on a common core, you have two flux fields in opposition to each other so in a perfect arrangement and coupling, there would never be any core saturation under any applied H field. However in a practical application, we purposely design in a k factor that produces a level of resulting inductance that we require for our conditions and it is this so called "leakage inductance" that we can now supply a larger than normal H field to before normal core saturation is reached.
In any case, bucking fields must be produced between rotor poles in Holcomb's devices in order for unipolar N or S poles to be generated and rotated but we are still left without a gain function!!
Regards,
Pm
Solarlab
QuoteWhat makes you think or believe the Holcomb devices, and in particular the LinGen,
does not or will not work?
In my opinion there is a 80% chance the technology does work based on a few criteria...
1)Holcomb and his staff appear to be educated professional people well versed in EM systems with decades of first hand experience. They also talk technically like professionals only offering as many claims as is needed and can be verified. They also have large clean facilities, full of top of the line equipment and supposedly multiple reproducible or working devices. If they walk and talk like credible professionals we could assume they probably are.
2)The business model, to most skilled in the art actually building working technology we have a common problem. No person who sought large investment in the technology ever succeeded. This occurred because larger shell companies for utility or fossil fuel interests bought out the original investors, seized control of the company and buried the technology. In this respect Holcomb seems to know what there doing by limiting investment and growing the company through sales. Educated and intelligent people do not make rash decisions or blindly follow others they go with what they think has the greatest chance of success.
3)The technology in question, the HES mechanism, is familiar to me. In fact I recognized the layout immediately as a radial variant of the axial Hubbard device which I built and tested. The circuit is also familiar and follows Hubbard's device in it's layout, switching and output section. As such, in almost every respect the mechanism and device in question are very similar to something I have already tested and proven to have merit.
4)Beyond the people, technology, appearances and patents any device with any credibility must have a logical and rational explanation to justify any claim. I believe Holcomb has shown this even if the technical explanation is incomplete. You see, I also saw what appeared to be an energy gain associated with the iron cores of a similar device I built and tested. However I found this was not the true cause of the energy gain only an artifact of some other mechanism. So when Holcomb claimed the energy gain was from the iron cores I knew exactly what he was talking about even if in my opinion it was not technically correct.
When we add all these qualities together I believe they do have something and give them a 50/50 chance of still being in business a year from now. This has nothing to do with the technology more so the fact there going up against the fossil fuel industry littered with unpredictable psychopaths and paid shills. There are literally tens of thousands of fake shell companies, fake foundations, fake call centers continually spreading misinformation and they practically own most politicians. That's a lot to take on, I hope they succeed...
AC
Quote from: onepower on December 18, 2022, 04:01:32 PM
Solarlab
In my opinion there is a 80% chance the technology does work based on a few criteria...
1)Holcomb and his staff appear to be educated professional people well versed in EM systems with decades of first hand experience. They also talk technically like professionals only offering as many claims as is needed and can be verified. They also have large clean facilities, full of top of the line equipment and supposedly multiple reproducible or working devices. If they walk and talk like credible professionals we could assume they probably are.
2)The business model, to most skilled in the art actually building working technology we have a common problem. No person who sought large investment in the technology ever succeeded. This occurred because larger shell companies for utility or fossil fuel interests bought out the original investors, seized control of the company and buried the technology. In this respect Holcomb seems to know what there doing by limiting investment and growing the company through sales. Educated and intelligent people do not make rash decisions or blindly follow others they go with what they think has the greatest chance of success.
3)The technology in question, the HES mechanism, is familiar to me. In fact I recognized the layout immediately as a radial variant of the axial Hubbard device which I built and tested. The circuit is also familiar and follows Hubbard's device in it's layout, switching and output section. As such, in almost every respect the mechanism and device in question are very similar to something I have already tested and proven to have merit.
4)Beyond the people, technology, appearances and patents any device with any credibility must have a logical and rational explanation to justify any claim. I believe Holcomb has shown this even if the technical explanation is incomplete. You see, I also saw what appeared to be an energy gain associated with the iron cores of a similar device I built and tested. However I found this was not the true cause of the energy gain only an artifact of some other mechanism. So when Holcomb claimed the energy gain was from the iron cores I knew exactly what he was talking about even if in my opinion it was not technically correct.
When we add all these qualities together I believe they do have something and give them a 50/50 chance of still being in business a year from now. This has nothing to do with the technology more so the fact there going up against the fossil fuel industry littered with unpredictable psychopaths and paid shills. There are literally tens of thousands of fake shell companies, fake foundations, fake call centers continually spreading misinformation and they practically own most politicians. That's a lot to take on, I hope they succeed...
AC
Hi Onepower,
Thanks for the insightful input, appreciated a lot.
Hopefully Smudge and others will chime in soon. Everyones analysis is appreciated as part of the overall conclusions.
Regards,
SL
Hubbard device, interesting. Something like this, I presume.
bi
bistander
QuoteHubbard device, interesting. Something like this, I presume.
No, that is fake 2nd and 3rd hand information which bears little if no resemblance to the actual device by the inventor
Any proper investigation must obviously start with the real inventor. All the inventors work, there history and associations, actual photographs, patents and sketches. 99% of what you see on the internet is usually misguided opinions, fake or misdirection. In fact, people not seeking credible facts from the real inventors is why 99% fail.
If you read the literature about what Hubbard actually claimed he had an outer solenoid winding, 8 inner solenoid cores switched individually, sequentially through an old 8 cylinder ignition distributor and an inner iron solenoid core. Contrary to the misinformation being peddled the input was not AC but switched DC producing an AC output.
For example...
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
This webpage looks credible but realistically most of the information is 2nd or 3rd hand information and not correct. The supposed radioactive material narrative requiring radium was misinformation by the oil owned shell company which bought Hubbard's patents. There was no radioactive material used in the device and none is needed. It's also kind of comical that Hubbard was a basically a teenager when he invented the device. As the story goes, Hubbard was a bellhop for the hotel where Nikola Tesla was living and received the information from him.
AC
From some old notes:
LinGen Physical Structure with B and H Fields
LinGen Simplified Block Diagram
> Simplified_LinGen_BLOCK_DIAGRAM - for reference (attached) {472KB}
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LinGen Rotor and Stator Side View
> LinGen_Brassboard_SideView_RotorTop_StatorBottom (attached) {155KB}
LinGen Rotor (top) and Stator (bottom). Gray is Magnetic Metal,
Copper is Wire Coils and Lap Winding.
Eight poles per module are shown. Four North and four South.
Either group can be North or South or both per design requirements.
Rotor has individual driven Wire Coils for each Pole. Phased as required.
Stator is Lap Wound - N1 to S1, N2 to S2, N3 to S3 and N4 to S4.
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This gif viewer is good for stopping or slowing the animation:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/)
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Sliding Magnetic Field Intensity (Amp/m) depicting intensities seen by the Lap Winding.
The field is created by the Rotor Poles via their individual Wire Coils (N x 4 and S x 4).
> Magnetic Field Intensity - 2_Animation_0-17 (attached) {3319KB}
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Magnetic Field Roll (only 4 Poles out of the 8 Poles are shown)B-Field eminating from the Rotor Poles and Coil Windings (only 4 shown).
> Bf-Zp-CS-b_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_03LO_01 (attached) {510 KB}
B-Field Saturated - shows the rolling magnetic field more clearly (only 4 poles shown).
> Bf-ZXmid-Cont_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_4msON-Time_1ms_SeqLO_01 (attached) {1276 KB}
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Sliding Magnetic Field Intensity (Amp/m) depicting intensities seen by the Lap Winding.
The field is created by the Rotor Poles via their individual Wire Coils (N x 4 and S x 4).
> Magnetic Field Intensity - 2_Animation_0-17 (attached) {3319KB}
SORRY - now I remember why I never posted the LinGen stuff here - animated gifs, etc. won't work
:(
Anyway, most of this is posted on OUR.
again - no go...
Oh well... Hard to show the interactions if they can't be
shown through animations.
Anyway - its long past time to get the website completed and
open sourced to the public internet!
I respectfully request to anyone who is successful building some sort of HES derivative, please create a torrent with all pertinent information and share the link on this thread. I will most certainly make sure it is well seeded for others.
Quote from: partzman on December 18, 2022, 03:56:07 PM
Hi Bi,
Yes I'm familiar with core saturation causes and characteristics. I think where we are missing each other here is when you have two equal bucking coils on a common core, you have two flux fields in opposition to each other so in a perfect arrangement and coupling, there would never be any core saturation under any applied H field. However in a practical application, we purposely design in a k factor that produces a level of resulting inductance that we require for our conditions and it is this so called "leakage inductance" that we can now supply a larger than normal H field to before normal core saturation is reached.
In any case, bucking fields must be produced between rotor poles in Holcomb's devices in order for unipolar N or S poles to be generated and rotated but we are still left without a gain function!!
Regards,
Pm
Hi Partsman,
Saturation and Hysteresis are somewhat interlinked (sorry but the animated gif linking these won't post). Anyway:
Remant Flux Density (B
r) [Coercivity of material]
From the full Four Quadrant Hysteresis Curve of a ferromagnetic material it can be seen that when the Applied Field (H in amp-turns)
is removed (H = 0) there is still some induction remaining in the material; even though H=0 there is a remant flux density, or B
r as
shown in the full Hysteresis Curve.
This may restrict the full use of the B-H in a pulsed system and may also result in hysteresis losses for AC drive signals. B
r is shown in
the attached Hysteresis Curve from the Arnold Magnetic Technologies - Designing with Thin Guage presentation:
https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf)
This presentation is worth the read IMHO.
Page/Figure 29 - 1: Hysteresis Curve
> Hysteresis Curve B-sub-r [H: Proj_Steel\Arnold_Magnetics]
One possible fix would be to somehow use the Coil Flyback when the pulse is removed (BEMF quickly falls to a large negative value) to
briefly excite the coil (or a second coil on the pole) thus driving the Pole back, or near to, its initial 0 value (removing or adjusting the
Coercivity). Actual circuit techniques are TBD. Flyback pulse depiction is attached.
This problem - solution requires more analysis and design work.
Kind of a disjointed post but hopefully has some useful information.
SL This book "Dynamo-electric Machinery: A Manual for Students of Electrotechniques by Sylvanus Phillips Thompson S.Sc., B.A.
London Technical Colledge 1888" goes through the development process of "B-H discovery."
https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ (https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ)
Chapter XIV. Field-Magnets and Magnatism ... Page 288
https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Quote from: SolarLab on December 18, 2022, 07:02:10 PM
From some old notes:
LinGen Physical Structure with B and H Fields
LinGen Simplified Block Diagram
> Simplified_LinGen_BLOCK_DIAGRAM - for reference (attached) {472KB}
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LinGen Rotor and Stator Side View
> LinGen_Brassboard_SideView_RotorTop_StatorBottom (attached) {155KB}
LinGen Rotor (top) and Stator (bottom). Gray is Magnetic Metal,
Copper is Wire Coils and Lap Winding.
Eight poles per module are shown. Four North and four South.
Either group can be North or South or both per design requirements.
Rotor has individual driven Wire Coils for each Pole. Phased as required.
Stator is Lap Wound - N1 to S1, N2 to S2, N3 to S3 and N4 to S4.
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Sliding Magnetic Field Intensity (Amp/m) depicting intensities seen by the Lap Winding.
The field is created by the Rotor Poles via their individual Wire Coils (N x 4 and S x 4).
> Magnetic Field Intensity - 2_Animation_0-17 (attached) {3319KB}
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Magnetic Field Roll (only 4 Poles out of the 8 Poles are shown)B-Field eminating from the Rotor Poles and Coil Windings (only 4 shown).
> Bf-Zp-CS-b_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_03LO_01 (attached) {510 KB}
B-Field Saturated - shows the rolling magnetic field more clearly (only 4 poles shown).
> Bf-ZXmid-Cont_HES_LinGen_4Coil-ST37_4msON-Time_1ms_SeqLO_01 (attached) {1276 KB}
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Good evening Sir!
The LinGen diagram block. From where did you get it?
I'm working on two fronts ( waiting parts), and one is the LinGen, but instead of 4 poles, I'm working with two groups of 3 phases.
I'm posting some pictures,
About the controller, what is the idea? Just pulses (PWM) or AC?
Thanks and sorry for the questions
Quote from: ariovaldo on December 18, 2022, 09:25:54 PM
Good evening Sir!
The LinGen diagram block. From where did you get it?
I'm working on two fronts ( waiting parts), and one is the LinGen, but instead of 4 poles, I'm working with two groups of 3 phases.
I'm posting some pictures,
It's part of my LinGen initial design used for a CAE analysis.
The ~18 page thread starts here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98138#msg98138 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98138#msg98138)
Quote from: SolarLab on December 18, 2022, 09:31:56 PM
It's part of my LinGen initial design used for a CAE analysis.
About the controller, what is the idea? Just pulses (PWM) or AC?Thanks and sorry about the questions
Quote from: ariovaldo on December 18, 2022, 09:33:13 PM
About the controller, what is the idea? Just pulses (PWM) or AC?
Thanks and sorry about the questions
Advanced controller (uses STM32Fxxx Discovery Board microprocessor)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999)
The Controller is programmable (somewhat easy to do - see link) therefore it's very
flexible [by design] so you can make whatever waveform/sequence you want to try.
MOSFET and Driver board (complete - driver and MOSFET)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102452#msg102452 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102452#msg102452)
Laser Cutter method of Rotor-Stator fabrication (new method - reusable)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697)
The metal is expensive and you have to machine it or having this done in SMC (poweder
metal fab) is expensive and a one-off. Laser cutter and sheets is whatever you decide
is required can be cut and laminated - reusable.
NOTE: Your approach is commended but review the Forum Thread above for some pointers, etc.
If you programmed your controller (looks like a UNO or similar) there should be no problem
(and if you need more performance moving to an STM32xxx will be almost easy). Your MOSFETs
and Drivers look good. Try it - if theres a question consider cutting your laminated transformer
in half (rotor coils on one half and Lap coil on the other half).
Great work so far!Sorry for the short answers but my MX Ergo mouse battery needs charging - later...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 18, 2022, 09:49:34 PM
Advanced controller (uses STM32Fxxx Discovery Board microprocessor)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100999#msg100999)
The Controller is programmable (somewhat easy to do - see link) therefore it's very
flexible [by design] so you can make whatever waveform/sequence you want to try.
MOSFET and Driver board (complete - driver and MOSFET)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102452#msg102452 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102452#msg102452)
Laser Cutter method of Rotor-Stator fabrication (new method - reusable)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg102697#msg102697)
The metal is expensive and you have to machine it or having this done in SMC (poweder
metal fab) is expensive and a one-off. Laser cutter and sheets is whatever you decide
is required can be cut and laminated - reusable.
NOTE: Your approach is commended but review the Forum Thread above for some pointers, etc.
If you programmed your controller (looks like a UNO or similar) there should be no problem
(and if you need more performance moving to an STM32xxx will be almost easy). Your MOSFETs
and Drivers look good. Try it - if theres a question consider cutting your laminated transformer
in half (rotor coils on one half and Lap coil on the other half).
Great work so far!
Sorry for the short answers but my MX Ergo mouse battery needs charging - later...
SL
Thanks, SL.
For now, I will stick with the laminates that I do have.
I quoted back in July, and the costs to cut one with a good size were out of my range...
Quote from: Dog-One on December 18, 2022, 09:02:39 PM
I respectfully request to anyone who is successful building some sort of HES derivative, please create a torrent with all pertinent information and share the link on this thread. I will most certainly make sure it is well seeded for others.
Dog-One,
Early in the New Year the Website will hopefully be up, running OK, and be open to the general public.
Includes theory, analysis, fabrication techniques, sources and some completed build approaches.
Also, as you suggest, if anyone has some HES derivatives available those would be very much
appreciated and of great interest as they become available via whatever means.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: ariovaldo on December 18, 2022, 10:16:23 PM
Thanks, SL.
For now, I will stick with the laminates that I do have.
I quoted back in July, and the costs to cut one with a good size were out of my range...
Arioaldo,
Nice looking Magnetic Steel Cores! They should work OK...
You don't happen know the material or specs (B-H curve, u) by chance?
Maybe an interesting CAE project at some point.
Although they're a little "beefy" to fit in my cell phone! Could probably
run my house however. ;)
Good Luck,
SL
Quote from: bistander on December 17, 2022, 06:41:47 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
...
You can find the structure of RMF from the same sources, literature and schools they used. When I return to my desk I'll paste/edit the textbook & chapter # that I used. I think it is still available, later edition, no doubt.
...
Hi rakarskiy,
Too late to edit, so a photo of my textbook title page is attached. See chapter 3-4, ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELDS, pp 159-165. Subsequent coursework used text by Ollie L. Elgerd, titled "BASIC ELECTRIC POWER ENGINEERING", Addison-Wesley Publishing Company. Also recommended.
bi
I asked ChatGPT what they thought of https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1/en?oq=WO+2021063522
and whether it would work. I'm spending a lot of time with tool. It's only as good as the input/questions you ask but it seems to think this patent will generate. I've uploaded books and asked for a summary too.
ChatGPT
Thank you for providing the text of the patent. Based on the information in the patent, it appears that the invention is a method and system for generating electrical power using a solid-state electromagnetic rotor. The rotor is made up of a plurality of salient pole pieces arranged around a supporting structure, and is equipped with a plurality of wires that are wound around the salient pole pieces. The rotor is also equipped with an excitation circuit that provides a current to the wires according to a predefined sequence, in order to align the magnetic domains of the salient pole pieces and produce a magnetic flux field.
The method for generating electrical power using the solid-state electromagnetic rotor involves providing a current to the wires of the rotor according to the predefined sequence, in order to align the magnetic domains of the salient pole pieces and produce a magnetic flux field. The magnetic flux field is used to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator, in order to produce electrical power. The method is designed to eliminate the reverse torque that is typically found in standard generators, and to harvest the energy from the magnetic domains of ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials, such as electrical steel.
I hope this information helps to explain how the method and system described in the patent work. If you have any additional questions or would like further clarification on any of the points I have mentioned, please don't hesitate to ask!
Me
Is it possible to harvest energy in such a manner?
It is possible to generate electrical power using the principles described in the patent, which involve using a solid-state electromagnetic rotor to produce a magnetic flux field and using this field to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator. However, the efficiency of this process and the amount of power that can be generated using this method may depend on a variety of factors, including the design and materials used in the rotor, the type and size of the rotating electrical machine, and the operating conditions under which the system is used.
It is also worth noting that the method described in the patent is different from other methods that are commonly used to generate electrical power, such as the use of fossil fuels, nuclear reactions, or renewable energy sources like solar or wind power. The efficiency and feasibility of the method described in the patent may depend on a variety of factors and may vary depending on the specific application.
I hope this information helps to answer your question. If you have any additional questions or would like further clarification on any of the points I have mentioned, please don't hesitate to ask!
Cheers!
Quote from: Jimboot on December 19, 2022, 12:25:35 AM
I asked ChatGPT what they thought of https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2021063522A1/en?oq=WO+2021063522
and whether it would work. I'm spending a lot of time with tool. It's only as good as the input/questions you ask but it seems to think this patent will generate. I've uploaded books and asked for a summary too.
ChatGPT
Thank you for providing the text of the patent. Based on the information in the patent, it appears that the invention is a method and system for generating electrical power using a solid-state electromagnetic rotor. The rotor is made up of a plurality of salient pole pieces arranged around a supporting structure, and is equipped with a plurality of wires that are wound around the salient pole pieces. The rotor is also equipped with an excitation circuit that provides a current to the wires according to a predefined sequence, in order to align the magnetic domains of the salient pole pieces and produce a magnetic flux field.
The method for generating electrical power using the solid-state electromagnetic rotor involves providing a current to the wires of the rotor according to the predefined sequence, in order to align the magnetic domains of the salient pole pieces and produce a magnetic flux field. The magnetic flux field is used to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator, in order to produce electrical power. The method is designed to eliminate the reverse torque that is typically found in standard generators, and to harvest the energy from the magnetic domains of ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials, such as electrical steel.
I hope this information helps to explain how the method and system described in the patent work. If you have any additional questions or would like further clarification on any of the points I have mentioned, please don't hesitate to ask!
Me
Is it possible to harvest energy in such a manner?
It is possible to generate electrical power using the principles described in the patent, which involve using a solid-state electromagnetic rotor to produce a magnetic flux field and using this field to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator. However, the efficiency of this process and the amount of power that can be generated using this method may depend on a variety of factors, including the design and materials used in the rotor, the type and size of the rotating electrical machine, and the operating conditions under which the system is used.
It is also worth noting that the method described in the patent is different from other methods that are commonly used to generate electrical power, such as the use of fossil fuels, nuclear reactions, or renewable energy sources like solar or wind power. The efficiency and feasibility of the method described in the patent may depend on a variety of factors and may vary depending on the specific application.
I hope this information helps to answer your question. If you have any additional questions or would like further clarification on any of the points I have mentioned, please don't hesitate to ask!
Cheers!
Hi Jimboot,
QuoteThe magnetic flux field is used to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator, in order to produce electrical power.
______
...using a solid-state electromagnetic rotor to produce a magnetic flux field and using this field to drive a rotating electrical machine, such as an alternator or a generator.
I think Mr. ChatGPT is missing the concept here, or am I?
bi
when you talk about LinGen, I always associate this word with lingam. :D
Interestingly, such an association is born in the head of the English-speaking people?
Just joke.
One note, flat linear magnetic circuits have one advantage over cylindrical ones.
It is possible to quickly change the air gap between the two halves for adjustment.
Quote from: bistander on December 18, 2022, 11:50:39 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
Too late to edit, so a photo of my textbook title page is attached. See chapter 3-4, ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELDS, pp 159-165. Subsequent coursework used text by Ollie L. Elgerd, titled "BASIC ELECTRIC POWER ENGINEERING", Addison-Wesley Publishing Company. Also recommended.
bi
Hello!
I myself fell for the description of the operation of a synchronous generator, which has nothing to do with the operation of a generator whose wires are laid in a groove.
To understand this, it was necessary to conduct unsuccessful and successful experiments. There are things that physicists cannot explain, but they exist, and there are engineering formulas for them. Now I analyze my arguments. But everything that is scattered in the corners is not connected with each other, gathering in a very interesting logical chain.
A slide explaining the operation of a synchronous generator, find what is wrong here. Hope you can do it?
PS
By the way, as if everything coincides on the monitor with what is stated on the slide. But it doesn't work like that.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
I will write down a detailed chain of equations for electromagnetic induction. The moment when the circuit is closed is recorded.
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
Thus, the vector of the force line of the magnetic field of the medium and the vortex magnetic field of the conductor coincides, and does not oppose. The spins of the vector of the magnetic field of the medium and the electric vortex field of the conductor oppose each other, which corresponds to the original Lenz's Law and Faraday's Law. That is how things work in reality.
Further, yourself, or read in my book when I finish it.
In any case, my understanding of how the Holcomb machine works completely intersected with how a mechanical synchronous electric generator works with laying the wire in a groove.
Hello Rakarskiy!
Sorry, but, Bistander would not accept any application that even mentions the word "vortex(es)" related to anything that has to do with magnetic field(s).
Bistander is a purely "Lorentzian", not a Maxwellian when it comes to Magnetic Fields and their vortex or curl calculus...
Straight, rigid vectors of force only accepted on his world, like B, F or else...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 19, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
Hello Rakarskiy!
Sorry, but, Bistander would not accept any application that even mentions the word "vortex(es)" related to anything that has to do with magnetic field(s).
Bistander is a purely "Lorentzian", not a Maxwellian when it comes to Magnetic Fields and their vortex or curl calculus...
Straight, rigid vectors of force only accepted on his world, like B, F or else...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Thanks for the comments.
Why does "my" method* work so well (exactly and perfectly) for all electric machinery but there is nothing performing real work using or resulting from "your" method**?
* that of conventional science, technology and engineering found in the textbooks and universities over the past century.
** that which you promote in your nicely produced videos of swirling nonsense exiting both N & S poles entering thru the blotch wall of magnets and other fantasies?
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on December 18, 2022, 09:24:03 PM
Hi Partsman,
Saturation and Hysteresis are somewhat interlinked (sorry but the animated gif linking these won't post). Anyway:
Remant Flux Density (Br) [Coercivity of material]
From the full Four Quadrant Hysteresis Curve of a ferromagnetic material it can be seen that when the Applied Field (H in amp-turns)
is removed (H = 0) there is still some induction remaining in the material; even though H=0 there is a remant flux density, or Br as
shown in the full Hysteresis Curve.
This may restrict the full use of the B-H in a pulsed system and may also result in hysteresis losses for AC drive signals. Br is shown in
the attached Hysteresis Curve from the Arnold Magnetic Technologies - Designing with Thin Guage presentation:
https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf)
This presentation is worth the read IMHO.
Page/Figure 29 - 1: Hysteresis Curve
> Hysteresis Curve B-sub-r [H: Proj_Steel\Arnold_Magnetics]
One possible fix would be to somehow use the Coil Flyback when the pulse is removed (BEMF quickly falls to a large negative value) to
briefly excite the coil (or a second coil on the pole) thus driving the Pole back, or near to, its initial 0 value (removing or adjusting the
Coercivity). Actual circuit techniques are TBD. Flyback pulse depiction is attached.
This problem - solution requires more analysis and design work.
Kind of a disjointed post but hopefully has some useful information.
SL
This book "Dynamo-electric Machinery: A Manual for Students of Electrotechniques by Sylvanus Phillips Thompson S.Sc., B.A.
London Technical Colledge 1888" goes through the development process of "B-H discovery."
https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ (https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ)
Chapter XIV. Field-Magnets and Magnatism ... Page 288
https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Hi SL,
Too bad the animated gifs won't work here.
In my experience, core remanence due to hysteresis will appear only if there are no gaps in the core material. Once a gap of a certain magnitude is introduced, the magnitude of remanence will decrease. There are obvious gaps in the Holcomb magnetic structure so I wonder if remanence will have much of an effect here.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: kolbacict on December 19, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
when you talk about LinGen, I always associate this word with lingam. :D
...
Had to look up definition. I like your humor, but now have undesired mental image.
bi
Quote from: partzman on December 19, 2022, 10:53:32 AM
...
In my experience, core remanence due to hysteresis will appear only if there are no gaps in the core material. Once a gap of a certain magnitude is introduced, the magnitude of remanence will decrease. There are obvious gaps in the Holcomb magnetic structure so I wonder if remanence will have much of an effect here.
Regards,
Pm
I agree. This may be a replication flaw with Ariovaldo's cores, ie. no gaps.
bi
For those interested,
Here is a simulation of a moving magnetic unipole across a four pole rotor. This is done at very high efficiency with only minimal losses due to the current shuttling between the inductors via capacitors. The bucking sequential switching between the coils produces the nearly constant unipolar field at the core ends. L1 starts with a current bias of 500ma at t=0us and ends with ~490ma at t=40us.
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
I will write down a detailed chain of equations for electromagnetic induction. The moment when the circuit is closed is recorded.
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
...
Hello rakarskiy,
please define Bm, Bi, & -E.
Thanks in advance.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 19, 2022, 10:51:16 AM
Hi Ufo,
Thanks for the comments.
Why does "my" method* work so well (exactly and perfectly) for all electric machinery but there is nothing performing real work using or resulting from "your" method**?
* that of conventional science, technology and engineering found in the textbooks and universities over the past century.
** that which you promote in your nicely produced videos of swirling nonsense exiting both N & S poles entering thru the blotch wall of magnets and other fantasies?
bi
Hahahahahahahaha...I knew you were going to jump faster than Rakarskiy would ever have time to respond... ;D :D ;D
Btw...it is not just "me" or "mine" theory...it started by Maxwell, then Edward Minkowsky in Spacetime (Einstein Math Profesor) and many others as Walter Russell...as is also your favorite book written by Ken Wheeler...haha
Take care Bi
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 19, 2022, 11:17:17 AM
Hahahahahahahaha...I knew you were going to jump faster than Rakarskiy would ever have time to respond... ;D :D ;D
Btw...it is not just "me" or "mine" theory...it started by Maxwell, then Edward Minkowsky in Spacetime (Einstein Math Profesor) and many others as Walter Russell...as is also your favorite book written by Ken Wheeler...haha
Take care Bi
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
you reply but do not answer. Why is that?
bi
Quote from: partzman on December 19, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
For those interested,
Here is a simulation of a moving magnetic unipole across a four pole rotor. This is done at very high efficiency with only minimal losses due to the current shuttling between the inductors via capacitors. The bucking sequential switching between the coils produces the nearly constant unipolar field at the core ends. L1 starts with a current bias of 500ma at t=0us and ends with ~490ma at t=40us.
Regards,
Pm
Partsman,
Very interesting simulation. Thanks.
The "shuttling" via capacitors is new to me and very "interesting!" At 0.02uF
its likely beyond the Coil (interturn self) capacitance - interesting...
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on December 19, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
when you talk about LinGen, I always associate this word with lingam. :D
Interestingly, such an association is born in the head of the English-speaking people?
Just joke.
One note, flat linear magnetic circuits have one advantage over cylindrical ones.
It is possible to quickly change the air gap between the two halves for adjustment.
Just cut your circular device and unroll it - of course you'll miss the interaction at both ends
but its easier to work with, yea including the gap adjustment, but also easier to wind and
fabricate. Plus you can simply stack them as "modules" to cascade them.
Plus, it allows using the "metal grain" to your advantage - see Arnold Magnetics reference above.
[GOES and NGOES]
You will also find that with LinGen Rev 2 this is of great advantage (but it's still a work in progress)
I'll look up "lingam" when I get an abundance of free time 8)
Quote from: bistander on December 19, 2022, 11:26:20 AM
Ufo,
you reply but do not answer. Why is that?
bi
Bistander,
You and I, plus many others around here know the whole story...however, no one care to make it a serious debate.
For example, the Quaternions from Maxwell...then Lorentz changing everything while "sponsored" by J.P Morgan...
Yes, as you have said, "everything works as expected" with the "conventional science"...which was basically developed by Lorentz.
Yes, I can not deny He did an excellent job by reconciliating the whole thing all together.
I have shown you my tests with CRT's...in my videos plus specific experimental images not even published in our past...but you deny to see what is very obvious to anyone.
Now, why should I insist to convince you?...if you are never, ever, going to accept it, even from a simple Geometrical way.
Anyways, I really do not want to deviate from the main debate here.
Read carefully the Thread here about the Maxwell Quaternions...and on first page (1), go to the linked paperwork, study it...deep into the essence, without wasting time just criticizing the Author's precedence or previous work, etc,etc.
Then answer there...thks.
Ufopolitics
BTW - there's a thread where Quaternion Maxwell's Equations, and all related, is discussed by a variety of Experts,
maybe your opinions, observations and comments on this subject would bare more fruit there.
Topic: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations
https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572034/#msg572034 (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572034/#msg572034)
We're not re-inventing Analytics here re: HES - just using what's already accepted and found very reliable over time to hopefully
develop an excess energy system based upon what appears to be a viable technique.
Just sayin'
Also - as you all are aware - the HES technology has NO rotating or driven or moving parts - conventional rotating machine generator
principles may well apply but the concept is different - some or most of the drawbacks of conventional machines are not present. Our
goal is to figure out the differences; not dwell on whether which conventional theory might suite the occassion.
The HES is NOT a conventional rotating machine because it has NO moving physical parts... the only two commonalities are magnetics and
power generation.
Quote from: bistander on December 19, 2022, 11:14:57 AM
Hello rakarskiy,
please define Bm, Bi, & -E.
Thanks in advance.
bi
But aren't notations defined in high school textbooks?
Well, this is a vector:
(Bm) - the magnetic induction of the magnetic flux of the external environment,
(Bi) - the magnetic induction of the wire with current strength,
(-E) - the EMF of the conductor.
Theories do not interest me if they cannot be applied to engineering design. Second, if there are exceptions to a theory, it is wrong. Everything I wanted to say I said above. In any case, I found all the discrepancies, now I'm checking how efficient it is. Yes, I completely connected Clemente Figuera's system, it is also calculated. Even the two patents of 1902 and 1908 are not different, but the patent of 1908, disclosure of the excitation system. I am glad that your conviction caresses you, convictions do not suit me, I am interested in engineering technology.
Sincerely.
My setup
LR784 MOS modules
Or
FR120N MOS modules
Teensy 4.0
A fast 32 Bit Arduino-Compatible Microcontroller.
Winding machine in progress.
Ferrite U 30/26/26 N27 Cores see PDF
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 19, 2022, 01:32:08 PM
My setup
LR784 MOS modules
Or
FR120N MOS modules
Teensy 4.0
A fast 32 Bit Arduino-Compatible Microcontroller.
Winding machine in progress.
Ferrite U 30/26/26 N27 Cores see PDF
Feb2006,
IMPRESSIVE thanks for sharing - please keep us updated!
And thanks for the Core info.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 19, 2022, 12:10:10 PM
- of course you'll miss the interaction at both ends
well i know how do not miss the interaction at both ends . And to keep the design flat.
I have already shown this. Just close it in a ring. By the way, you can also do this with
your separate magnetic circuits. Where the hell is my beer?!
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 19, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
Hello Rakarskiy!
Sorry, but, Bistander would not accept any application that even mentions the word "vortex(es)" related to anything that has to do with magnetic field(s).
Bistander is a purely "Lorentzian", not a Maxwellian when it comes to Magnetic Fields and their vortex or curl calculus...
Straight, rigid vectors of force only accepted on his world, like B, F or else...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hello!
Thanks for the clarifications. If a person does not perceive something worse for him. And the term "vortex" did not arise from scratch. I used to be wary of it as well, but having figured it out, I know exactly what it means. Even the magnetic flux line of force has a vortex design. This is not speculation, this is research that physicists don't want to accept.
The problem is that their waste paper in libraries will have to be scrapped.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 19, 2022, 01:21:21 PM
But aren't notations defined in high school textbooks?
Well, this is a vector:
(Bm) - the magnetic induction of the magnetic flux of the external environment,
(Bi) - the magnetic induction of the wire with current strength,
(-E) - the EMF of the conductor.
...
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
I will write down a detailed chain of equations for electromagnetic induction. The moment when the circuit is closed is recorded.
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
...
Hello rakarskiy,
thanks. I needed to verify your interpretation of symbols. In doing so, then I say your equations from yesterday are in error. Again by error, I mean contradict or disagree with conventional teaching (textbook equations).
But that's the way you operate.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on December 19, 2022, 01:57:53 PM
well i know how do not miss the interaction at both ends . And to keep the design flat.
I have already shown this. Just close it in a ring. By the way, you can also do this with
your separate magnetic circuits. Where the hell is my beer?!
Good idea!!!!
bi
ps. I wish I could deliver your beer.
Quote from: bistander on December 19, 2022, 02:10:35 PM
Hello rakarskiy,
thanks. I needed to verify your interpretation of symbols. In doing so, then I say your equations from yesterday are in error. Again by error, I mean contradict or disagree with conventional teaching (textbook equations).
But that's the way you operate.
bi
In any case, the equations are completely drawn for the generator frame.
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_pu/1/56642742.jpg
Sincerely.
A paragraph from my book, just edited!
QuoteDr. Holcombe's system mimics the movement of a physical rotor. Thus, in general, a permanent flow of magnetic current is carried out on the pole. This ensures the continuity of a permanent magnetic flux in the magnetic circuit. At the same time, the movement of the magnetic circle (circulation around the axis) is carried out, which crosses the conductor wires embedded in the grooves, without the physical rotation of the magnetic rotor. A brilliantly simple solution.
Just, everything fell into place, everything is possible for the engineering calculation of the structure.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 19, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
In any case, the equations are completely drawn for the generator frame.
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_pu/1/56642742.jpg
Sincerely.
Hi rakarskiy,
Yours first, then conventional ( from: https://www.wyzant.com/resources/lessons/science/physics/magnetism/ )
See the difference?
bi
First, put the traditional values on the frame of the generator, in the magnetic flux, in the position that I have in the figure. Then you can compare something.
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 19, 2022, 04:01:13 PM
First, put the traditional values on the frame of the generator, in the magnetic flux, in the position that I have in the figure. Then you can compare something.
Okay, you lost me. Can you provide a reference, in English, from an accredited source? Showing the
E field from a current carrying conductor circulating around it?
bi
edit:
A current isn't required for the motion induced voltage in the conductor moving in the field. So the induced voltage or potential difference is perpendicular to the motion, along the wire length. But I do not believe
E can circulate like you show. Electric fields are divergent.
2nd edit:
There is no motion in Holcomb's device, so isn't this off-topic?
As for the ruhu emf vector around the conductor, there is no time. This is the continuation and essence of a separate work.
As for the Holcomb generator, it has the physical movement of a magnetic field, analogous to the movement in a mechanical generator. This is what distinguishes a generator from a transformer.
I won't go into details as research is still ongoing. I'm not designing a Holcomb machine, I'm doing an impulse system. It is more difficult for me to reach full hysteresis.
Quote from: bistander on December 19, 2022, 04:12:15 PM
Okay, you lost me. Can you provide a reference, in English, from an accredited source? Showing the E field from a current carrying conductor circulating around it?
bi
edit:
A current isn't required for the motion induced voltage in the conductor moving in the field. So the induced voltage or potential difference is perpendicular to the motion, along the wire length. But I do not believe E can circulate like you show. Electric fields are divergent.
2nd edit:
There is no motion in Holcomb's device, so isn't this off-topic?
Hi Bistander,
By studying the patents and related presented material in detail, and inter-relating the [maybe initially complex] technical information,
you will quickly find the relationships - there are many; but one by one they emerge. Take it step by step and the concept will surface.
It's not that difficult, really. Each component will become clear.
There are only four components to the system overall as outlined in the OUR thread. Not trying to be a twat but that's what's required.
Review the material and it will quickly become evident.
If it doesn't suite your current concepts or beliefs then try viewing it from another angle or move onto something more suitable.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 20, 2022, 03:42:58 AM
Hi Bistander,
By studying the patents and related presented material in detail, and inter-relating the [maybe initially complex] technical information,
you will quickly find the relationships - there are many; but one by one they emerge. Take it step by step and the concept will surface.
It's not that difficult, really. Each component will become clear.
There are only four components to the system overall as outlined in the OUR thread. Not trying to be a twat but that's what's required.
Review the material and it will quickly become evident.
If it doesn't suite your current concepts or beliefs then try viewing it from another angle or move onto something more suitable.
SL
Hi SL,
I follow a number of threads on OUR. I don't recall 4 components. I'll review again. If you have a particular post in mind, please reference. Changing my angle requires convincing evidence, better argument or hopefully proof of claim. I'll not change view on a fundamental principle simply because a member draws a pretty diagram.
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 20, 2022, 12:37:34 AM
As for the ruhu emf vector around the conductor, there is no time. This is the continuation and essence of a separate work.
...
Hi rakarskiy,
it's not often that Google returns no hits, "ruhu emf vector" search results are as shown below. Could explain why you used that term or phrase and its meaning?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 09:23:20 AM
Hi SL,
I follow a number of threads on OUR. I don't recall 4 components. I'll review again. If you have a particular post in mind, please reference. Changing my angle requires convincing evidence, better argument or hopefully proof of claim. I'll not change view on a fundamental principle simply because a member draws a pretty diagram.
Thanks,
bi
Bistander,
Read the whole thread in order to catch up and not miss anything:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98229#msg98229 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98229#msg98229)
The discussions here are not designed to "change anyones angle" nor to "provide convincing
evidence, a better argument, or any proof of claim" and certainly not to change views on
fundamental principles.
These presentations and exchanges of information are primarily educational. We learn some things and
we teach some things - we give information and ideas and we receive ideas and information.
Pretty diagrams and other learning aids are always welcome as are references or any other stuff that
might assist in understanding the material. Petty bickering and slanderish comments DO NOT ASSIST.
Information presented here, or on any other forum, is "as is" - take it or leave it, its your choice.
If you find this format uncomfortable or you find the information untenable then you are perfectly
free to move on to something more suitable to your needs and preferences.
You are encouraged to partisipate
IF your exchanges have a "
value add" otherwise they amount
to nothing more than "useless crap" and will ultimately expose the "true character."
Recall -
These forums and their
participants (and the World in general)
owe you nothing and you are
not the "Lord and Master" of anything. Be thankful you are even allowed to participate and learn.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 20, 2022, 02:30:19 PM
Bistander,
Read the whole thread in order to catch up and not miss anything:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98229#msg98229
The discussions here are not designed to "change anyones angle" nor to "provide convincing
evidence, a better argument, or any proof of claim" and certainly not to change views on
fundamental principles.
These presentations and exchanges of information are primarily educational. We learn some things and
we teach some things - we give information and ideas and we receive ideas and information.
Pretty diagrams and other learning aids are always welcome as are references or any other stuff that
might assist in understanding the material. Petty bickering and slanderish comments DO NOT ASSIST.
Information presented here, or on any other forum, is "as is" - take it leave it, its your choice.
If you find this format uncomfortable or you find the information untenable then you are perfectly
free to move on to something more suitable to your preferences.
Recall - These forums and their participants (and the World in general) owe you nothing and you are
not the "Lord and Master" of anything. Be thankful you are even allowed to participate and learn.
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
"Petty bickering and slanderish comments" you say. Please give me an example of a slanderish comment that you have seen from me. And is it petty bickering to ask a poster to clarify a meaningless term or word that Google doesn't even recognize?
I think it was only several hundred posts on that thread so I'll reread. Started to, many towards the end were petty bickering, but you can't blame me over there.
The only thing that I am owed here is some basic respect and not expected to believe or overlook obvious mistakes and falsehoods, and made-up terms. A forum of nonsensical typed characters and fantasy scribbles isn't much fun and doesn't promote "our" cause. As ramset often writes, let's work together. Do you know what "ruhu emf vector" means? Anybody?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 03:13:58 PM
Do you know what "ruhu emf vector" means? Anybody?
Best I can discern, it is an electromotive force vector that points in the direction of soul or spirit.
Probably used rather consistently in all free energy devices. ::)
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 03:13:58 PM
Hi SL,
"Petty bickering and slanderish comments" you say. Please give me an example of a slanderish comment that you have seen from me. And is it petty bickering to ask a poster to clarify a meaningless term or word that Google doesn't even recognize?
I think it was only several hundred posts on that thread so I'll reread. Started to, many towards the end were petty bickering, but you can't blame me over there.
The only thing that I am owed here is some basic respect and not expected to believe or overlook obvious mistakes and falsehoods, and made-up terms. A forum of nonsensical typed characters and fantasy scribbles isn't much fun and doesn't promote "our" cause. As ramset often writes, let's work together. Do you know what "ruhu emf vector" means? Anybody?
Thanks,
bi
The quoted post above (yours) is a very good example...
What is it's "value add" with respect to the subject matter - nothing, absolutely nothing!
"ruhu emf vector" "please define Bm, Bi, & -E." ... = petty crap - looking for a typo or a missing sub-script to carry on about.
Slanderish comments - see your recent posts above. ...
If you have something of value, post it; otherwise shove it - you know where!
And yes, your not alone, in the "slinging useless garbage" crowd. Seems to be a favourite full time job for some. Not very productive!
You are getting all the respect you deserve; from me.
Quote from: SolarLab on December 20, 2022, 05:44:11 PM
The quoted post above (yours) is a very good example...
What is it's "value add" with respect to the subject matter - nothing, absolutely nothing!
"ruhu emf vector" "please define Bm, Bi, & -E." ... = petty crap - looking for a typo or a missing sub-script to carry on about.
Slanderish comments - see your recent posts above. ...
If you have something of value, post it; otherwise shove it - you know where!
And yes, your not alone, in the "slinging useless garbage" crowd. Seems to be a favourite full time job for some. Not very productive!
You are getting all the respect you deserve; from me.
Hi SL,
You say ""ruhu emf vector" "please define Bm, Bi, & -E." ... = petty crap - looking for a typo or a missing sub-script to carry on about."
How is simply and respectfully requesting clarification on an ambiguous term in a response on the topic considered "slinging useless garbage"? I was attempting to understand his message so I could add value.
Does your CAE use this equation?
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 18, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
...
Bm = -E: -E = Bi; (Bm= Bi)
...
bi
Yea right! Nice try - but I'm not biting (too transparent, been used to many times)...
Look at (study) the B-H Loop that was recently posted - if you can't see it, no worries! It
will have absolutely no effect on anything. Important - yes -but only if you are developing
a system and, if that's the case, it will become (or is) intuitively obvious.
B-H Loop post:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572470/#msg572470 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572470/#msg572470)
Also, have a look at any CAE Documentation - then you will be able to answer your own
questions, plus you will have learned a lot by reading it yourself. No one can learn it for you.
Famous saying:
"You can give a man a Fish and he will eat for a day OR you can teach a man to Fish
and he will be able to eat forever!"
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 06:23:10 PM
Hi SL,
You say ""ruhu emf vector" "please define Bm, Bi, & -E." ... = petty crap - looking for a typo or a missing sub-script to carry on about."
How is simply and respectfully requesting clarification on an ambiguous term in a response on the topic considered "slinging useless garbage"? I was attempting to understand his message so I could add value.
Does your CAE use this equation?
bi
Original rakarskiy post:
As for the ruhu emf vector around the conductor, there is no time.
This is the continuation and essence of a separate work.
As for the Holcomb generator, it has the physical movement of a magnetic field, analogous to the movement in a mechanical generator.
This is what distinguishes a generator from a transformer.
I won't go into details as research is still ongoing. I'm not designing a Holcomb machine, I'm doing an impulse system. It is more
difficult for me to reach full hysteresis.
Also, the diagram poseted here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572484/#msg572484 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572484/#msg572484)
- say no more...
Edit: changed lower case "h" to upper case "H" in "B-H Loop" - oh no, call the petty police! ::)
SL,
I know the answer. And I know electric machine fundamentals, theories and design practices as well as materials, fabrication and testing. I was trying to help. That's all. Why are you beating me up? Let's get back on-topic and look at where on the B H curve Holcomb's device functions. That's why I've mentioned a FEMM 2-D cross section of the magnetic circuit. There would be value.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on December 18, 2022, 09:24:03 PM
Hi Partsman,
Saturation and Hysteresis are somewhat interlinked (sorry but the animated gif linking these won't post). Anyway:
Remant Flux Density (Br) [Coercivity of material]
From the full Four Quadrant Hysteresis Curve of a ferromagnetic material it can be seen that when the Applied Field (H in amp-turns)
is removed (H = 0) there is still some induction remaining in the material; even though H=0 there is a remant flux density, or Br as
shown in the full Hysteresis Curve.
This may restrict the full use of the B-H in a pulsed system and may also result in hysteresis losses for AC drive signals. Br is shown in
the attached Hysteresis Curve from the Arnold Magnetic Technologies - Designing with Thin Guage presentation:
https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf)
This presentation is worth the read IMHO.
Page/Figure 29 - 1: Hysteresis Curve
> Hysteresis Curve B-sub-r [H: Proj_Steel\Arnold_Magnetics]
One possible fix would be to somehow use the Coil Flyback when the pulse is removed (BEMF quickly falls to a large negative value) to
briefly excite the coil (or a second coil on the pole) thus driving the Pole back, or near to, its initial 0 value (removing or adjusting the
Coercivity). Actual circuit techniques are TBD. Flyback pulse depiction is attached.
This problem - solution requires more analysis and design work.
Kind of a disjointed post but hopefully has some useful information.
SL
This book "Dynamo-electric Machinery: A Manual for Students of Electrotechniques by Sylvanus Phillips Thompson S.Sc., B.A.
London Technical Colledge 1888" goes through the development process of "B-H discovery."
https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ (https://books.google.com/books/about/Dynamo_electric_Machinery.html?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ)
Chapter XIV. Field-Magnets and Magnatism ... Page 288
https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=i34AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA288&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Hi SL,
As long as you've gone off-topic into pettiness, how's this one? In your post to Pm, shown above, you say "Remant Flux Density (B
r) [Coercivity of material]"
I assume that you meant to type the word remanent. As see here:
QuoteRemanence or remanent magnetization or residual magnetism is the magnetization left behind in a ferromagnetic material (such as iron) after an external magnetic field is removed
.
from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remanence
Also note Remanent flux density is not the same as Coercivity of material, which your statement of "Remant Flux Density (B
r) [Coercivity of material]" seems to imply.
The two quantities are clearly shown on your included B H curve.
I noticed this before, but didn't want to appear petty, until now.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 08:47:24 PM
Hi SL,
As long as you've gone off-topic into pettiness, how's this one? In your post to Pm, shown above, you say "Remant Flux Density (Br) [Coercivity of material]"
I assume that you meant to type the word remanent. As see here:
.
from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remanence (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remanence)
Also note Remanent flux density is not the same as Coercivity of material, which your statement of "Remant Flux Density (Br) [Coercivity of material]" seems to imply.
The two quantities are clearly shown on your included B H curve.
I noticed this before, but didn't want to appear petty, until now.
bi
Ref: (Br) https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf)
Read it again for comprehension and Note the square brackets... now, refer again to the B-H Loop and the
Arnold Magnetics Technologies presentation above.
And you still look for "Petty" spelling, etc. stupid shit!
You gotta do better than that - thought you claimed to be an engineer!
Quoting Wikipedia - seriously... LOL From the Arnold Magnetics Technologies presentation:
• Even when the field reaches zero (H=0), there is still some induction remaining in the[/font]
material. This is called the remanant flux density, or Br.
[/font]
[/font]
• To bring the induction in the material down to zero, the H field must be driven past[/font]
zero into a negative value called Hc or HcB -- this is the "coercivity" of the material.[/font]
THANKS FOR SHARING. VERY TECHNICAL BUT VERY USEFUL INFO.
I SUGGEST THAT 3D PRINTING THE SILICON STEEL SHOULD CUT A LOT OF
MANUFACTURING PROCESSES.
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
SL,
I know the answer. And I know electric machine fundamentals, theories and design practices as well as materials, fabrication and testing. I was trying to help. That's all. Why are you beating me up? Let's get back on-topic and look at where on the B H curve Holcomb's device functions. That's why I've mentioned a FEMM 2-D cross section of the magnetic circuit. There would be value.
bi
bi,
F.Y.I. The B-H Curve is absolutely dependant on the "Material" used for the so called Rotor and Stator. Therefore, you must first
select a "Material" for your device before you can look at where on the B-H curve Holcomb's device functions. This is the first part
of the four I mentioned earlier and probably the most difficult part. A fifth part has also been added. This involves fabricating the
rotor and stator (see the 33W Diode Laser Cutter post).
A good reference (one of many) is the book "Introduction To AC Machine Design" by Thomas A. Lipo, referenced here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98963#msg98963 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98963#msg98963)
All the chapters are worth a read and chapter 2, 3 and 4 provide accute insight. {pdfdrivedotcom}
Also, with respect to your FEMM diagram; there are a variety of Ansys youtube videos out there that provide some good
detailed information as well.
Appreciate your trying to help - but beating up on a guy who is in the middle of a war with only sparse access to power
and the internet didn't sit well with me - so I speak up! [rakarisky]
SL
Quote from: seychelles on December 20, 2022, 10:33:25 PM
THANKS FOR SHARING. VERY TECHNICAL BUT VERY USEFUL INFO.
I SUGGEST THAT 3D PRINTING THE SILICON STEEL SHOULD CUT A LOT OF
MANUFACTURING PROCESSES.
Hi Seychelles,
That would be great but to date I haven't found a Material that can be 3D Printed that comes
close to Silicone Steel performance. Maybe some time soon a 3D Print material will be developed.
The closest scheme so far seems to be the Diode Laser Cutter and Arnold's Thin Magnetic Metal
to create a laminated core. Lots of layers but doable in the Lab on a reasonable budget.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 20, 2022, 09:16:55 PM
Ref: (Br)
https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf (https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Designing-with-Thin-Guage-presentation-1.pdf)
Read it again for comprehension and Note the square brackets... now, refer again to the B-H Loop and the
Arnold Magnetics Technologies presentation above.
And you still look for "Petty" spelling, etc. stupid shit!
You gotta do better than that - thought you claimed to be an engineer! Quoting Wikipedia - seriously... LOL
From the Arnold Magnetics Technologies presentation:
• Even when the field reaches zero (H=0), there is still some induction remaining in the[/font]
material. This is called the remanant flux density, or Br.
[/font]
[/font]• To bring the induction in the material down to zero, the H field must be driven past[/font]
zero into a negative value called Hc or HcB -- this is the "coercivity" of the material.[/font]
Thanks SL,
Same information that I learned years ago when I worked with their application engineer. So are you telling that you walk away from that article thinking that remanent induction is the same thing (meaning the same value for a specific material) as its Coercivity, or that B
r = H
c?
O.K.
bi
ps. Noticed something really picky. Where you say "negative value called Hc or HcB -- this is the "coercivity" of the material.[/font]"
It's not H
cB. It's H
cb, I believe. I'm not too familiar with the notation, but did find this example attached. From: https://www.asa-7.top/products.aspx?cname=properties+of+permanent+magnet
Quote from: bistander on December 20, 2022, 10:57:21 PM
Thanks SL,
Same information that I learned years ago when I worked with their application engineer. So are you telling that you walk away from that article thinking that remanent induction is the same thing (meaning the same value for a specific material) as its Coercivity, or that Br = Hc?
O.K.
bi
ps. Noticed something really picky. Where you say "negative value called Hc or HcB -- this is the "coercivity" of the material.[/font]"
It's not HcB. It's Hcb, I believe. I'm not too familiar with the notation, but did find this example attached. From: https://www.asa-7.top/products.aspx?cname=properties+of+permanent+magnet (https://www.asa-7.top/products.aspx?cname=properties+of+permanent+magnet)
Right you are!
Have good one...
In the Ukrainian language there is a word "рух" which means movement.
Maybe this is what is meant? :)
I made an explanatory picture for the circuit where the capacitor is discharged to the load. Consider this my theory, because in principle I explain the process in this way, and this is my concept, unlike the official one. The official one does not suit me, since I do not consider the movement of charged parts in the form of negatively charged electrons to be a reason for the current system. From my point of view, the movement of electrons is the nonsense of official science. I am a supporter of the field (plasma) concept.
EMF and magnetic induction around the conductor are eddy field structures, which are actually described in Ohm's law as voltage and current strength.
Sincerely.
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/iz_seti/electromotive_force_current/2-1-0-151
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/2_ehlektrodvizhushhaja_sila_i_sila_toka_magnitnoe_pole_i_prichem_tut_ehlektron/3-1-0-153
Quote from: rakarskiy on December 21, 2022, 01:11:04 AM
I made an explanatory picture for the circuit where the capacitor is discharged to the load. Consider this my theory, because in principle I explain the process in this way, and this is my concept, unlike the official one. The official one does not suit me, since I do not consider the movement of charged parts in the form of negatively charged electrons to be a reason for the current system. From my point of view, the movement of electrons is the nonsense of official science. I am a supporter of the field (plasma) concept.
EMF and magnetic induction around the conductor are eddy field structures, which are actually described in Ohm's law as voltage and current strength.
Sincerely.
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/iz_seti/electromotive_force_current/2-1-0-151
http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/publ/free_energy_systems/2_ehlektrodvizhushhaja_sila_i_sila_toka_magnitnoe_pole_i_prichem_tut_ehlektron/3-1-0-153
Hi rakarskiy,
Thanks very much for your explanation. I now understand why your derivations and comments make little sense to me. Good luck with such far fetched perspective.
Respectfully,
bi
edit. ps. I apologize for referring to a diagram of yours as scribbles. You have posted some most excellent graphics. Well done.
bistander, in no way do I insist on accepting my point of view!
But who is right and who is wrong time will judge. In any case, my concept completely intersects with both Ohm's law and all developments in design.
Thanks to recent work, I completely got rid of the illusion.
The main thing is simple, now I look at my delusions with a smile.
Sincerely.
@bistander,
Have you by chance had any experience with Magnetocaloric Effect (http://magnetocaloric.web.ua.pt/mce.html)?
I don't know if it's applicable to the HES machine, but Holcomb does use a lot of iron.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 21, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
@bistander,
Have you by chance had any experience with Magnetocaloric Effect (http://magnetocaloric.web.ua.pt/mce.html)?
I don't know if it's applicable to the HES machine, but Holcomb does use a lot of iron.
Hi Dog-One,
Until now, I don't think I've heard the term. Seeing the definition, it's doubtful that it applies to Holcomb's process, but I have no idea what his process really is. Magnetocaloric Effect is as good of a guess as I've got.
bi
Harvesting energy in the form of ambient heat seems like a viable idea.
At least it is clear where the energy comes from. We thought about that.
But what about thermal inertia? To heat and cool iron 60 times per second,
transformer cores must be the size of an inkjet printer nozzle.
Whoever solves this purely engineering and inventive problem will have it.
Once again, I confirm that the Holcombe machine works according to the algorithm of a conventional synchronous three-phase mechanical generator.
I found all my theoretical conditions in the design of Holcomb's machine.
I say again, a brilliant engineering solution.
The difficulty lies only in the management of switching and maintaining the mains voltage when connecting various loads. Such systems deserve a good engineering team and production. For a garage master, they are difficult, primarily in the full chain of calculations and manufacturing of cores.
I have clarified everything that I need, therefore I turn to my development.
My development is impulse and, as it turned out, intersects with the system of Clemente Figuera. Now I know how his converter worked and what was "not shown" in the 1902 patent, and what was revealed from the 1902 setup in the 1908 patent.
Sincerely
Quote from: phoneboy on May 25, 2022, 08:48:16 PMA rolamite has nothing to do with the holcomb device it was just an idea for a low friction sparkless mechanical switch with regards to the figueroa device.
The reason I posted was because I see some possible correlatipns between the two methods, the moving field and "A unique method of harnessing energy from the magnetic domains found in ferromagnetic and paramagnetic materials"
In the drawing you have two closed magnetic circuits. If you were to map out the fields in the inductor array based on input to the individual switch positions you see how the fields break into two loops between positions 2-8. All that was covered long ago. The reason for the ferrite rods is due to that. The ferrite gets magnetized for free aligning its domains and then this stray field that magnetizes it moves on as the switch position changes. Now, what happens to this piece or ferrite as its field collapses in this closed magnetic circuit? Essentially, I think if the these devices are overunity its due to heat.
Quote from: phoneboy on August 09, 2022, 06:43:24 PM
@Cadman,cifita, if your trying to do electromagnetic FEA on Linux you can try FEAtool, new, haven't played with but it's free and integrates with Matlab, that or COMSOL. Don't know what version of Linux you're running (I'm on Manjaro) but you could always run windows in a VM and push most of your cores to it for running simulations. QEMU/libvirt is great, has a bit of a learning curve, but you can do a lot with it. My current rig is running Linux/Mac OS/Windows (concurrently) no problem and have built 2 other systems like that for my nephews.
Side note on this. A while back I posted in this thread regarding correlations I noticed between this and the 1908 Figuera device. I haven't really gone in depth on this device but I believe it could work two ways (together), 1st is what I posted "heat", here's a link to JNL Labs for the 2SGen http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm), if you scroll down to the bottom of the page there are three links under 'Interesting Documents to Read' related to this. 2nd which never occurred to me when working on my version of the Figuera device was that Holcomb must have added some open path into his closed magnetic circuit to collect energy from the environment. It's most likely just some physical section of his device where his excitation fields (budget) are allowed to pass thru (outside of the generating sections-budget) enhancing the total B field and collecting the excess on collapse/change (budgeted section) .
What took so long to get here?
Quote from: kolbacict on December 17, 2022, 12:33:03 PM
I don't know. Maybe there is somewhere. I do not consider myself a great connoisseur of electric motors. Just if it is possible in a parametric transformer, why not in a cylindrical "motor".
I just turned a steel ball in a three-phase stator at low frequencies, below 50 Hz.
The ball is really spinning. Another way to observe a rotating field.
I found this in my photo file. See if it plays for you.
bi
rakarskiy
QuoteI made an explanatory picture for the circuit where the capacitor is discharged to the load. Consider this my theory, because in principle I explain the process in this way, and this is my concept, unlike the official one. The official one does not suit me, since I do not consider the movement of charged parts in the form of negatively charged electrons to be a reason for the current system. From my point of view, the movement of electrons is the nonsense of official science. I am a supporter of the field (plasma) concept.
The electron flow model and notation works so long as we understand every force is a dual force. The (-) terminal repels the free electrons as the (+) terminal attracts them, equal and opposite. Nature is not one sided and is always a duality of forces, equal and opposite.
As well, in my opinion, you did not include the most important notation which is energy flow. The energy flows from both the (-) and (+) terminals towards the load. It's amazing that most people have no idea how energy flow even works in a basic circuit.
For example, in your circuit diagram the energy in the circuit is due to the simultaneous (-)repulsion and (+) attraction forces on the free electrons in the conductor. The energy flow is due to the fact the electrons are concentrated at the (-) terminal, disperse/expand within the load, then keep expanding as they approach the (+) terminal. It's similar to a heat pump, a gas is compressed, the gas expands doing work and is then pulled back into the compressor. In our circuit the working gas is a fog of free electrons moving within a conductor.
If you think it's not an issue then try asking anyone where the energy flow is in a basic circuit. Here 99% fail and most of the electrical engineers I know couldn't even give me a coherent answer. As I like to say, we don't have an energy crisis we have an understanding crisis concerning what energy is and how it works.
AC
onepower, vopros: did you read the material from the links? google translator works.
I do not adhere to the electronic theory of electricity. But how electric forces work in a circuit, I know enough to design. In any case, my latest research and experiments put a lot in place.
After that, I don't need to convince myself of electronic theory, where electrons can be measured in kg, it's an empty idea.
With respect.
rakarskiy
Quoteonepower, vopros: did you read the material from the links? google translator works.
Yes I did and as usual I disagree with the methodology. I disagree with people using math and equations to pretend there proving something because we could literally prove pigs could fly. It means nothing and it's backwards in my opinion.
I prove individual effects by experiment then combine said experimental effects into a demonstrable concept or device. So this notion of a bunch of scribbling on paper to supposedly represent something tangible yet to be proven means little. We have all seen the song and dance before and at the end of the day it never pans out.
As well, Holcomb is the only real inventor with demonstrable technology present and he claimed the excess energy was due to "Electron spins" in the iron cores of the device. If the actual inventor, Holcomb, is using electron flow notation then I would be more inclined to believe his theories than yours.
On your links, you are aware it's littered with completely ridiculous advertisements don't you?. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your amateur webpage is showing half naked fat ladies with guns and how to save your toenails from fungus?. Is this a joke because it looks like a joke?.
AC
Quote from: onepower on December 22, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
I prove individual effects by experiment then combine said experimental effects into a demonstrable concept or device. So this notion of a bunch of scribbling on paper to supposedly represent something tangible yet to be proven means little. We have all seen the song and dance before and at the end of the day it never pans out.
As well, Holcomb is the only real inventor with demonstrable technology present and he claimed the excess energy was due to "Electron spins" in the iron cores of the device. If the actual inventor, Holcomb, is using electron flow notation then I would be more inclined to believe his theories than yours.
AC
And so do I, Onepower (referring to bolded out above sentence) therefore, agree 100%.
However, the fact that HES is working with a tech that maybe (more likely) he does not even have the sligthtest idea how it really works...that does not mean that we all should abide based on his "theory" to explain why the phenomena takes place.
Ever since Figuera, we have read from their inventors very vague and sometimes unbelievable "theories" as trying to explain (in their Patents) how their devices do whatever they do...however, history has proven their "theories" were dead wrong...otherwise, we all should have, by now, All kind of Free Energies, Overunity and the works!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
That's where a complete analysis of the device and it's claims, using a professional Computer Assisted
Engineering (CAE) numerics software, can be handy.
Plus, after the excercise you will be quite familiar with the theory involved, how it operates and how it
may be improved upon, fabricated and tested.
Just throwing stuff together on the bench based on a few calculations and assumptions, then crossing
your fingers hoping it might work can be expensive and time consuming; but hey, you might be the first
to get lucky and end up with something that works perfect in your first pass.
However, we haven't seen very much of that yet. Some of this stuff appears simple on it's face, dig a little
deeper, and you find that it's not. You might even know a piece or two of it real well, but when it's all
integrated it can become complicated and tricky real fast! As we all know and likely have experienced.
Just my humble opinion - and the way I've done things for years - professionally - a prototype never gets
build until, and unless, it can be understood well enough to at least prove it on paper first (pass a complete
CAE analysis and 'pseudo peer' review).
Anyway - Merry Christmas everyone and Happy Holidays!
SL
However; a complete detailed engineeering analysis and discussion does have risks - I know from at
least two experiences of trying to present some analysis and viable theoretical information on the
"Kapanzdze - Ruslan" device on the Forums.
Came close to another de-railment a third time involving this Holcomb (LinGen) device. Recall
Ruslan had many demonstration videos for backup but that didn't seem to matter. Thank goodness
this last time Holcomb had also published a variety of excellent patents and had a web site - but,
even so, there is still a lot of unfounded flack and push-back...
So - take heed - it's a tough game in a rough arena!
Happy New Year and All the Best for 2023!
I don't believe Holcomb's team doesn't know the full details of how his device works. What physicists cannot explain has been used in engineering for more than 150 years, from the very moment when the Gramme generator was replaced by a slotted core generator.
Merry Christmas everyone. I even put engineering sense here. "Korochun" is over, this is the longest night, the growth of light (day) will begin on the 25th, this is a new circle of our earth around our star. All good holidays.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 22, 2022, 06:54:19 PM
And so do I, Onepower (referring to bolded out above sentence) therefore, agree 100%.
However, the fact that HES is working with a tech that maybe (more likely) he does not even have the sligthtest idea how it really works...that does not mean that we all should abide based on his "theory" to explain why the phenomena takes place.
Ever since Figuera, we have read from their inventors very vague and sometimes unbelievable "theories" as trying to explain (in their Patents) how their devices do whatever they do...however, history has proven their "theories" were dead wrong...otherwise, we all should have, by now, All kind of Free Energies, Overunity and the works!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Good health to you!
The problem is that the principle that the Holcomb machine uses is used in any mechanical slotted synchronous power generator.
The two main principles are the excitation of the magnetic flux and its rotation in the stator core.
The most interesting thing is that physics cannot explain the operation of this generator, as well as the operation of the transformer itself.
I've done enough experiments so that all the same "altruian rake in the forehead" led to understanding. And I cannot explain how the EMF is induced in the conductor, but this does not mean that the EMF is not induced there with the appropriate combination of the device.
By the way, your design with a static rotor can also be corrected. Believe me, it's not difficult.
Sincerely. Happy holidays.
Quote from: partzman on December 19, 2022, 10:53:32 AM
Hi SL,
Too bad the animated gifs won't work here.
In my experience, core remanence due to hysteresis will appear only if there are no gaps in the core material. Once a gap of a certain magnitude is introduced, the magnitude of remanence will decrease. There are obvious gaps in the Holcomb magnetic structure so I wonder if remanence will have much of an effect here.
Regards,
Pm
Hi Partzman,
Finally got a few minutes to review your posts - hope your right about remanence not appearing due to the air gap.
(I was chalking it up to flux weakening thus increasing the saturation level ?)
But just maybe that's what the simulation (the gif that wouldn't post) is trying to tell me - interesting. Thanks for the info.
Quote from: partzman on December 19, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
For those interested,
Here is a simulation of a moving magnetic unipole across a four pole rotor. This is done at very high efficiency with only minimal losses due to the current shuttling between the inductors via capacitors. The bucking sequential switching between the coils produces the nearly constant unipolar field at the core ends. L1 starts with a current bias of 500ma at t=0us and ends with ~490ma at t=40us.
Regards,
Pm
Also interesting is your simulation of the four "moving magnetic unipoles." Had to study that one a bit, but again interesting
to say the least. Thanks.
Have a Really Great Christmas!
SL
Merry Christmas Rakarskiy UFO AC Bi Partzman Kolbacict and Everyone!
Got a real good feelin about the New Year...
:)
Merry Christmas to you all. I have some time off over the break from a hectic work schedule. It looked like in Holcomb's last video they were doing 5 strands of 18awg per coil. No idea of turn count though. I'll be winding again soon. Have a great time with your families.
I noticed that in more than one video/picture from them.
Years ago, when I worked in one electrical shop winding motors, we used more than one wire with a smaller diameter to make the job easier. It's better to use three 18 AWG than one 10 AWG.
Unless there is something else.
Merry Christmas
Quote from: Jimboot on December 23, 2022, 06:23:25 AM
Merry Christmas to you all. I have some time off over the break from a hectic work schedule. It looked like in Holcomb's last video they were doing 5 strands of 18awg per coil. No idea of turn count though. I'll be winding again soon. Have a great time with your families.
A belated Merry Christmas Jimboot,
Maybe the info on page 7, or so, might be of interest (turn count ?).
From some old notes re: the patent...
Happy New Year Mate!
SL
F.Y.I.
In this patent Holcomb describes some of his ideas regarding
"SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC/DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS"
US2019/0238011 A1 published Aug 1, 2019
This submission focuses primarily on Rotors (recall - his early approach was to replace the rotors of "rotating generators"
with a "fixed stationary rotor") to increase generator efficiencies. Contains some good background on rotor types, etc..
Thought you might find it interesting as related material. Can't find the Notes file for this one right now.
SL
-------- The above patent is helpful in understanding; and aids in the design process ---------
NOTE the "LAP WINDING" in the "LinGen" illustrates " [0089] Geometric Isolation."
"[0089] Geometric Isolation: Each stator armature induction coil may be located in two seperate rotor cavaties, such
that only one side of a stator coil is in close proximity to a first magnetizing rotor, while the opposite side of the coil is in
close proximity to a second magnetizing rotor. Both rotors are outside of a closed induction loop.
Reverse torque of a conventional generator may be formed when a single rotor excites both sides of a stator coil, one bing
at least one north pole and the other at least one south pole.
Based on Lenz's Law, there is an induced current in a closed loop if the magnetizing flux through the loop is changing. The
direction of the induced current is such that the induced magnetic field opposes a change in flux.
In the case of the present disclosure, the magnetic field of the rotor is geometrically removed and isolated from a magnetic
axis or center line of a stator magnetic pole. Therefore, reverse torque does not occur to any significant extent due to this
geometric seperation of the would-be opposing magnetic poles."
Also consider these other design features that can mitigate 'reverse torque" - [0090] Singular Stator Winding Pattern,
[0091] Shielding, and [0092] Unique Rotor Design; as explained in this patent.
----------------
At [0125] the Description of the Figures begins.
Good health!
The location of the electromagnets, the frequency of their switching at the output phase frequency of 50 Hz, will be 400 Hz, for 16 solid state rotary electromagnets and a four-pole orientation, possibly more. There are many features here. I have already learned everything I need to know about the Holcomb Energy System. This is the most ingenious solution for simply simulating the rotation of a physical rotor.
What puzzles me at the moment is the genius of the Figuera generator. After all, he knew all this already in 1902. The elegance of its design solution is simply amazing.
It is more difficult to radiate "field rotation" on one or two electromagnets. The generator has a feature - a complete hysteresis of the magnetic field in the phase zone.
Happy and productive holidays to all.
Quote from: SolarLab on December 26, 2022, 07:58:49 PM
F.Y.I.
In this patent Holcomb describes some of his ideas regarding
"SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC/DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS"
US2019/0238011 A1 published Aug 1, 2019
This submission focuses primarily on Rotors (recall - his early approach was to replace the rotors of "rotating generators"
with a "fixed stationary rotor") to increase generator efficiencies. Contains some good background on rotor types, etc..
...
SL
-------- The above patent is helpful in understanding; and aids in the design process ---------
NOTE the "LAP WINDING" in the "LinGen" illustrates " [0089] Geometric Isolation."
"[0089] Geometric Isolation: Each stator armature induction coil may be located in two seperate rotor cavaties, such
that only one side of a stator coil is in close proximity to a first magnetizing rotor, while the opposite side of the coil is in
close proximity to a second magnetizing rotor. Both rotors are outside of a closed induction loop.
...
----------------
At [0125] the Description of the Figures begins.
Hi SL,
At risk of being petty, that document is a patent application, not a patent.
And I disagree about its helpfulness. It is loaded with errors and outlandish statements. I see no mention of LinGen or anything remotely similar. [0089] launches into describing an impossible rotor (meant to rotate, attributed to use of slip rings) having but one pole around its 360° periphery, or unipolar, alternating between N & S 60 times per second driven from a stationary excitator. An absolutely ridiculous concept of no practical use even if it could be built. The drawings of its laminations and windings are a solid indication of the designer's disconnect from reality. If it is not a joke, it is just too sad, IMO of course.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 27, 2022, 10:24:01 AM
Hi SL,
At risk of being petty, that document is a patent application, not a patent.
And I disagree about its helpfulness. It is loaded with errors and outlandish statements. I see no mention of LinGen or anything remotely similar. [0089] launches into describing an impossible rotor (meant to rotate, attributed to use of slip rings) having but one pole around its 360° periphery, or unipolar, alternating between N & S 60 times per second driven from a stationary excitator. An absolutely ridiculous concept of no practical use even if it could be built. The drawings of its laminations and windings are a solid indication of the designer's disconnect from reality. If it is not a joke, it is just too sad, IMO of course.
bi
Hi bi,
Yea, pretty sure we all know the difference between a Patent Application and an actual Granted Patent, but thanks.
You should know by now that sucking me into some stupid argument about crossed "t's" and dotted "i's" is a silly
quest and a waist of everyones reading time.
"LinGen" was a psuedo name I adopted for the unrolled (flat) development of HES devices. It helps in destinguishing
between the variations.
As you should know, typically many patent applications explore every possible implementation, and some that
may even apprear impossible, in order to cover any work-arounds and any angles that might null in a challenge.
This is very common.
Be aware that patent submissions and grants are NOT "Paint by Number" documents by their nature but they are intended
to provide enough information that "One Skilled in the Art" can construct a device from the information, techniques and
methods contained within.
Your opinion is appreciated but your assertions and conclusions show that you may not be that skilled or have much
of a clue of how things work in the intellectual, engineering or real world. But, as you say, they are just your disconnected
opinions.
BTW, you Do Not have to reference Holcomb's patent information for any reason, it's simply out there, but no requirement
to use or follow any of it. Others have found Holcomb's stuff very helpful and very well done, especially considering it's
only patent material and NOT a Heathkit instruction manual.
The Course Material is in-process, maybe your best bet is to wait for that. Might even be a "Reviewer Reward" if you
qualify for one of the "Grammar and Spelling Police Squad" positions!
So, ask yourself this: Did your petty post and comments above add anything of value to the topic? I don't see anything of
value; just a bunch of dribble from someone who is not up to the task of detailed engineering analysis and study.
But, hey, keep up the fair work, you never know, someday you might luck out and come up with an "on topic" comment
of some value!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on December 26, 2022, 07:58:49 PM
F.Y.I.
In this patent Holcomb describes some of his ideas regarding
"SOLID STATE MULTI-POLE AND UNI-POLE ELECTRIC GENERATOR ROTOR FOR AC/DC ELECTRIC GENERATORS"
US2019/0238011 A1 published Aug 1, 2019
This submission focuses primarily on Rotors (recall - his early approach was to replace the rotors of "rotating generators"
with a "fixed stationary rotor") to increase generator efficiencies. Contains some good background on rotor types, etc..
Thought you might find it interesting as related material. Can't find the Notes file for this one right now.
SL
-------- The above patent is helpful in understanding; and aids in the design process ---------
NOTE the "LAP WINDING" in the "LinGen" illustrates " [0089] Geometric Isolation."
"[0089] Geometric Isolation: Each stator armature induction coil may be located in two seperate rotor cavaties, such
that only one side of a stator coil is in close proximity to a first magnetizing rotor, while the opposite side of the coil is in
close proximity to a second magnetizing rotor. Both rotors are outside of a closed induction loop.
Reverse torque of a conventional generator may be formed when a single rotor excites both sides of a stator coil, one bing
at least one north pole and the other at least one south pole.
Based on Lenz's Law, there is an induced current in a closed loop if the magnetizing flux through the loop is changing. The
direction of the induced current is such that the induced magnetic field opposes a change in flux.
In the case of the present disclosure, the magnetic field of the rotor is geometrically removed and isolated from a magnetic
axis or center line of a stator magnetic pole. Therefore, reverse torque does not occur to any significant extent due to this
geometric seperation of the would-be opposing magnetic poles."
Also consider these other design features that can mitigate 'reverse torque" - [0090] Singular Stator Winding Pattern,
[0091] Shielding, and [0092] Unique Rotor Design; as explained in this patent.
----------------
At [0125] the Description of the Figures begins.
bi,
FWIW - clipping the referenced post - [0089] - in your petty reply is at best disingenuous; so I have included the
complete post, in full, that you referenced above.
It's easily seen your concluded narrative is completely wrong and original post was truncated to bolster your
false assertions. Hey, this isn't MSM or farcebook!
This is a common trick and practice in use today - only select a few chosen words that will suit your narritive while
leaving out the complete article.
What does that tell you about the quality of your reply? No need to say more!
SL
There is one essential detail. Generators - Power System Holcomb, work as advertised! Yes, the doctor agreed to the conditions when obtaining patents. But most importantly, he started production, the 200 kW converter did not accidentally light up.
Today I have already found material where it is written in plain text how synchronous machines work in terms of EMF guidance, everything coincided with my "discoveries". It turned out that the assigned specialists are taught correctly. That's what I got for myself, that double standards are not an illusion.
If Holcomb did not indicate how the EMF is actually induced in his machines, then he did not consider it necessary and adheres to the paradigm of two branches of education. This is his right.
Quote from: SolarLab on December 27, 2022, 02:34:22 PM
bi,
FWIW - clipping the referenced post - [0089] - in your petty reply is at best disingenuous; so I have included the
complete post, in full, that you referenced above.
It's easily seen your concluded narrative is completely wrong and original post was truncated to bolster your
false assertions. Hey, this isn't MSM or farcebook!
This is a common trick and practice in use today - only select a few chosen words that will suit your narritive while
leaving out the complete article.
What does that tell you about the quality of your reply? No need to say more!
SL
Hi SL,
I clipped, yes. But not to fool or deceive anyone. And using the quote feature, the reader simply needs to click to see your original message complete. I did it to shorten my reply and reference the specific subject I was about address, ie. that beginning at [0089]. You had truncated* the original to the point of eliminating the main subject of that section, which is the unipole rotor. And that is a totally ridiculous idea and certainly not helpful or of any value, especially to a LinGen design.
The point of my post was that the patent application is not helpful, as you said. For the record, by law, a patent must be non-obvious, new, and useful. I await to see anything useful to come from trash like that document.
So please show me what is helpful. Or insult me further. And those skilled in science and technology can easily see that the author of that patent application is functionally ignorant on the subject. The things which you call petty are indicators that the author doesn't know what he's talking about. There are numerous examples in that and other documents from Holcomb.
bi
* You did provide link to the original document. Thanks. It had been awhile since I'd read it. It is truly remarkable, in a bad way.
Quote from: SolarLab on December 26, 2022, 06:27:51 PM
A belated Merry Christmas Jimboot,
Maybe the info on page 7, or so, might be of interest (turn count ?).
From some old notes re: the patent...
Happy New Year Mate!
SL
cheers mate! I think I'll use the assistance of chatgpt to write the arduinao code. It's already written a bunch of python scripts for me for another project.
Quote from: bistander on December 27, 2022, 03:36:39 PM
Hi SL,
I clipped, yes. But not to fool or deceive anyone. And using the quote feature, the reader simply needs to click to see your original message complete. I did it to shorten my reply and reference the specific subject I was about address, ie. that beginning at [0089]. You had truncated* the original to the point of eliminating the main subject of that section, which is the unipole rotor. And that is a totally ridiculous idea and certainly not helpful or of any value, especially to a LinGen design.
The point of my post was that the patent application is not helpful, as you said. For the record, by law, a patent must be non-obvious, new, and useful. I await to see anything useful to come from trash like that document.
So please show me what is helpful. Or insult me further. And those skilled in science and technology can easily see that the author of that patent application is functionally ignorant on the subject. The things which you call petty are indicators that the author doesn't know what he's talking about. There are numerous examples in that and other documents from Holcomb.
bi
* You did provide link to the original document. Thanks. It had been awhile since I'd read it. It is truly remarkable, in a bad way.
Yea, OK - right! --- >> $$$ - you're welcome... Merry Christmas
Regarding the patent statement about geometric isolation..
With one coil edge in an inner stator slot and the other coil edge in an outer stator slot, each coil edge being in seperate magnetic circuits, via the inner and outer rotors. So lets assume the rotor induction (either by flux movement, or flux linkage), results in a current flowing in the loop of the coil.
Lenz applies to the electron charge in each coil edge, irrespective of seperate magnetic circuits initiating induction, as Lenz is essentially an action of charge against charge (with magnetic flux as an intermediary).
L192
Can you make your Lenz to change periodic the magnetic permeability of rotor material(secondary ) ?
Exciting in this way, parametric oscillations in the secondary winding?
So that Lenz does not interfere with us, but helps?
Quote from: kolbacict on December 28, 2022, 08:31:40 AM
Can you make your Lenz to change periodic the magnetic permeability of rotor material(secondary ) ?
Exciting in this way, parametric oscillations in the secondary winding?
So that Lenz does not interfere with us, but helps?
For each electron charge moved by induction in a wire, the same moving electron charge produces its own magnetic field which in turn opposes the movement of the electron charge. You cannot separate these actions.
L192
Quote from: kolbacict on December 28, 2022, 08:31:40 AM
Can you make your Lenz to change periodic the magnetic permeability of rotor material(secondary ) ?
Exciting in this way, parametric oscillations in the secondary winding?
So that Lenz does not interfere with us, but helps?
Hi kolbacict,
The use of the term 'Lenz' has taken a meaning in these forums which I don't think is proper (classical definition related). However I think I understand what folks are talking about. And in design of DC motors having salient field poles, the effect would strengthen one pole tip and weaken the opposite pole tip. Strengthen and weaken referring to induction or flux density. As such, the permeability of the steel in those areas would certainly change. So from my experience, I'd say yes to your first question. I have no opinion about questions 2&3.
bi
Hello and happy Holidays to All,
Talking about "Lenz Law"...basically related to Electromagnetic Induction:
On All known Generators that we know so far, based on its main design, we are generating the Lenz effect, in every turn they make...and this applies also to Non Physically Rotating Generators, like HES.
How so?...Well, it has been a very simple method, ever since Faraday -first experiment- introduced a bar magnet into a coil and gave a positive output... to then, when He pulled it out, the galvanometer needle switched to the Negative side...simple uh?
And the fact is, everytime we pull out, or travel further away, our inducing (exciting) field, the "induced" or output coil(s) will deflect to Lenz effect, or negative side.
Fact is that 'all "bolts down" to Geometry'...
I am going to put as an example a pretty "imaginary" setup...
Say we build a full looped coil, closed in a perfect circle, so, we get our two terminals right next to each others at start-end of winding...and we have a cylindrical magnet inside of that looped coil...and by an exterior force (magnetic of course), we could set the magnet to spin continuously within that looped coil, rotating constantly in the same direction...
Would we have Lenz Effect at those two coil terminals?
The fact is that we all would be generating an always fully positive output in our meters...no opposite charges there, no negative deflection on meters needle, since the Magnetic Field is always traveling in one direction only...never "pulling out" of that coil...but in an infinite loop always following same rotation direction.
Think about it...
Regards to All
Ufopolitics
Quote from: listener192 on December 28, 2022, 09:53:22 AM
You cannot separate these actions.
It's a pity.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 28, 2022, 12:01:37 PM
Fact is that 'all "bolts down" to Geometry'...
But maybe we can?
Can't living, thinking matter be able to defeat the laws of inanimate matter?
QuoteI'd say yes to your first question.
I understand. Thanks.
Most AC and DC generators use electromagnets so if you move the magnetic field solid state
then somehow Lenz's Law gets stronger than in generators with electromagnets. If that's true
electromagnetic generators should not work either.
A electromagnetic field is mass less however it can affect mass,
electrons or moving mass in a generator.
If you get rid of the moving mass then only electron mass is affected
and you don't have to count with moving mass.
The Lenz's Law still applies.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 28, 2022, 12:01:37 PM
Fact is that 'all "bolts down" to Geometry'...
I am going to put as an example a pretty "imaginary" setup...
Say we build a full looped coil, closed in a perfect circle, so, we get our two terminals right next to each others at start-end of winding...and we have a cylindrical magnet inside of that looped coil...and by an exterior force (magnetic of course), we could set the magnet to spin continuously within that looped coil, rotating constantly in the same direction...
Would we have Lenz Effect at those two coil terminals?
The fact is that we all would be generating an always fully positive output in our meters...no opposite charges there, no negative deflection on meters needle, since the Magnetic Field is always traveling in one direction only...never "pulling out" of that coil...but in an infinite loop always following same rotation direction.
Think about it...
I am thinking about it UFO. I'm thinking it would produce a DC output as the Steven Mark's TPU was claimed to produce.
I have here sitting on my bench a medium sized nanocrystaline toroid core and I now have a method to produce a dipole magnetic field within this core. I also have a means to rotate this dipole, but I'm not convinced I can wrap the entire core with wire and produce any output, let alone a DC output. What I see are cancelled electric currents. Unless...
Unless I split the output winding into two separate segments. Then I get AC output on each segment. Why is that?
Because the magnet is a dipole. The north end produces an electric polarity and the south end produces the opposite electric polarity. So as the magnet (the dipole) sweeps around the toroid, part of the conductor is positive while the rest is negative. If you connect the two segments together (as they would be if you wrapped the toroid with a single conductor), the net EMF is zero and thusly, no current to any external load.
I'm pretty certain if you rewound the stator on a typical two pole generator to be a single conductor, you'd see zero output. The number of conductor segments in the stator has to match the number of poles you have in rotation.
I could be totally wrong here, just stating what I'm seeing on the bench.
And as far as Lenz goes, it's something you must have. The load, pushes back on the generator and if the generator doesn't push forward on Lenz, there is no current flow. The current is going to take the path of least resistance, so you have to plug all the holes. What I haven't seen yet, but is likely the key to this machine is some method where when the load pushes back on the generator, the generator pushes forward towards the load even harder. Kind of like we see when trying to push two same poles of two magnets together. That repulsion gets stronger the closer together those two poles meet. That's what we are looking for, a means to strengthen that repulsive push and it's activated by the initial repulsive push from the load. Maybe mechanically what has to happen is the generator's magnetic field becomes more focused, not necessarily stronger, just more concentrated where we need it.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
I am thinking about it UFO. I'm thinking it would produce a DC output as the Steven Mark's TPU was claimed to produce.
Hello Dog-One,
Yes, indeed.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
I have here sitting on my bench a medium sized nanocrystaline toroid core and I now have a method to produce a dipole magnetic field within this core. I also have a means to rotate this dipole, but I'm not convinced I can wrap the entire core with wire and produce any output, let alone a DC output. What I see are cancelled electric currents. Unless...
Unless I split the output winding into two separate segments. Then I get AC output on each segment. Why is that?
If you make two windings, set by 180 degrees as your Output stator, then connect them opposite (not in series) you will have AC.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
Because the magnet is a dipole. The north end produces an electric polarity and the south end produces the opposite electric polarity. So as the magnet (the dipole) sweeps around the toroid, part of the conductor is positive while the rest is negative. If you connect the two segments together (as they would be if you wrapped the toroid with a single conductor), the net EMF is zero and thusly, no current to any external load.
Sorry Dog One but you've got it wrong,
North and South are spinning in the same direction, which makes the whole magnet field as one direction vortex.
What does the "split" between the two poles is the Bloch wall, however, emanating both from the very center of the magnet, turning same directions.
About the "imaginary" example that I spoke before, (to think about) is very simple...a magnet keeping the same orientation, plus traveling within a looped coil, say in the shape of a Toroid but hollow.
It was just to have an idea on what I was referring after...and before, not more not less.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 28, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Sorry Dog One but you've got it wrong,
North and South are spinning in the same direction, which makes the whole magnet field as one direction vortex.
What does the "split" between the two poles is the Bloch wall, however, emanating both from the very center of the magnet, turning same directions.
If you insist. Let me take another look. Must have missed something...
In my case, I have two Block walls, sitting directly under high current flat coils. Coils are arranged to oppose each other as partzman suggested (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572457/#msg572457). The dipole forms away from the coils, centered between them.
In total I have three coils spaced 120 degrees apart. I only switch on two of them at any given time. It's pretty simple. There are six states of coil energizing that develops in a pseudo rotation which is easy to see with a compass. Each coil stays on for two cycles. I switch the coils clockwise and the rotation of the dipole turns counterclockwise. It's a neat gizmo though I'm not sure it's going to tell me anything we don't already know.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 28, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
About the "imaginary" example that I spoke before, (to think about) is very simple...a magnet keeping the same orientation, plus traveling within a looped coil, say in the shape of a Toroid but hollow.
It was just to have an idea on what I was referring after...and before, not more not less.
So would this magnet in your "imaginary" example be approximately the length of one half the circumference of your toroid?
Still confused how we could get a DC output. Only a changing magnetic field as seen by the conductor can produce an EMF in the conductor, which implies the change is always getting stronger or always getting weaker. I just cannot visualize this happening with a magnet of fixed field strength. If we kept pushing more and more, stronger and stronger magnets into the tube, then yes, we would get a DC output. Otherwise I just can't see it.
F.Y.I. Try this: (from an old post a while back):
Another "Good Saturday Afternoon Project with the Kids"
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg101617#msg101617 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg101617#msg101617)
Faradays Electromagnetic Lab
(see below for the online simulation)
Run the "faraday_en.jar" file [unzip first] (opens the application in a window);
* Preferences | Privacy | uncheck Allow sending info to PhET, if you don't want anon info sent.
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- Select "Electromagnet";
- Starts with a Battery and Compass, now, also show the Field Meter;
- Align compass and field meter to horizontal center of the coil (move Battery/Coil up a bit);
- Align the Field Meter to where B & Bx are equal, and By and Phase are 0 (Battery at 10V);
Now, move the Battery Voltage from 10V to 0V (center position with mouse);
Quickly move between 0V and 10V, try not to go negative (a bit tricky at first).
Notice how the Compass and Field Meter respond! [Pulsed DC into a coil? Field reaction?]
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For comparison try the Pickup Coil application (this is what we are all familiar with).
Question: Is this annimation correct? Test it using the Supplemental below.
The Online Simulation is found here:
https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/browse (https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/browse) (scroll to the right a bit) to find
Faraday's Law (then scroll down) to find "Related Sims" - FARADAY'S ELECTROMAGNETIC LAB
double click to run - (doesn't seem to open in my Firefox so I used Chrome) or download
the old java version and run.
Direct link might still work - Physics - Faraday's Law - related sims (bottom) "Faraday's Electromagnetic Lab."
https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/faraday (https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/faraday) [legacy java version download, if needed]
(program attached in a 7z zip file)
SL
Well, a unipolar Faraday generator produces direct current without being rectified by a brush-collector assembly, right?
Lenz action occurs whenever there is induction causing electron charge movement in a closed loop(s) of wire.
My particular mention of this however, was directed to the geometric isolation statement in the Holcomb patent and not an attempt at opening a wider discussion of Lenz.
It is also noted that Holcomb claims that an electrical rotating rotor can be inserted into any standard three phase generator stator and produce output efficiencies above 100%.
So this arrangement implies the rotor is the key element, as there are no stator non conventional geometries used.
Can any of you explain how this can be?
L192
How is Lenz action possible when current is steady ?
Quote from: forest on December 29, 2022, 06:31:39 AM
How is Lenz action possible when current is steady ?
Hi forest,
Quick review:
QuoteLenz's law states that the direction of the electric current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes changes in the initial magnetic field. It is named after physicist Emil Lenz, who formulated it in 1834. Wikipedia
QuoteFaraday's Law
Any change in the magnetic environment of a coil of wire will cause a voltage (emf) to be "induced" in the coil. No matter how the change is produced, the voltage will be generated. The change could be produced by changing the magnetic field strength, moving a magnet toward or away from the coil, moving the coil into or out of the magnetic field, rotating the coil relative to the magnet, etc.
from: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html
Lenz's law is only qualitative, gives polarity. Faraday's Law describes, or dictates the phenomena.
So a constant magnitude current (DC) will have a magnetic field.* Any relative motion between the magnetic field and the current carrying conductor constitutes a change satisfying condition for Faraday's Law. That's how DC can induce voltage, and current. Lenz tells polarity.
bi
*
QuoteA magnetic field is a vector field that describes the magnetic influence on moving electric charges, electric currents, and magnetic materials. Wikipedia
Sir
It would be better to write
You are not familiar with how this is possible ( some proprietary feature or technique must be present?
For clarity very recently there have been many curious comments on the "off forum grapevine "
However there is also a 200kw unit in the pipe ...for delivery?
And there are "some" happy customers...
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on December 29, 2022, 08:18:33 AM
Sir
It would be better to write
You are not familiar with how this is possible ( some proprietary feature or technique must be present?
...
Respectfully
Chet K
Am I allowed to write this?
With regards to all current scientific knowledge, that claim is impossible.
bi
Quote from: listener192 on December 29, 2022, 06:22:23 AM
It is also noted that Holcomb claims that an electrical rotating rotor can be inserted into any standard three phase generator stator and produce output efficiencies above 100%.
So this arrangement implies the rotor is the key element, as there are no stator non conventional geometries used.
Can any of you explain how this can be?
L192
Hello L192,
Guessing you meant by "
an electrical rotating rotor" as a non mass rotating rotor, where it is just the magnetic field spectrum rotating, correct?
Now, my question is simple:
Have any of you guys (who oppose to this claim) done this test yourselves?Only those who have built and done such claimed test, could be able to refuse it.
And of course, present your test video as a refusal proof.
Otherwise is pure air blow...
Plus, it is not "any" rotor, but must match* the number of salient poles on the stator, and so, *matching not necessarily means having same number of, but being multiple of such number.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
If you insist. Let me take another look. Must have missed something...
In my case, I have two Block walls, sitting directly under high current flat coils. Coils are arranged to oppose each other as partzman suggested (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572457/#msg572457). The dipole forms away from the coils, centered between them.
In total I have three coils spaced 120 degrees apart. I only switch on two of them at any given time. It's pretty simple. There are six states of coil energizing that develops in a pseudo rotation which is easy to see with a compass. Each coil stays on for two cycles. I switch the coils clockwise and the rotation of the dipole turns counterclockwise. It's a neat gizmo though I'm not sure it's going to tell me anything we don't already know.
Hi Dog One,
You meant "Bloch" walls not Block walls right?...It was given that name based on his discoverer, Felix Bloch.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
So would this magnet in your "imaginary" example be approximately the length of one half the circumference of your toroid?
Not necessarily, it could be less than half...it depends on the number of exciter coils used to build up that "imaginary magnet"...and actually there would be two "magnets"...
Quote from: Dog-One on December 28, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
Still confused how we could get a DC output. Only a changing magnetic field as seen by the conductor can produce an EMF in the conductor, which implies the change is always getting stronger or always getting weaker. I just cannot visualize this happening with a magnet of fixed field strength. If we kept pushing more and more, stronger and stronger magnets into the tube, then yes, we would get a DC output. Otherwise I just can't see it.
It is simple, just one magnet passes a specific portion of the coil, (according to magnet length) which would be induced, the rest of coil will act just as the conductor to output.
We have been tought Lenz as a "Push-Pull" operation, or "Double Action" piston type where is always a reciprocating movement.
Yes, say we approach a Magnet front North Pole to an empty Coil and Current will oppose the Vortex of that Magnetic Field, generating another North Pole...which repulse magnet...right so far?
What about if we do not pull away magnet (as in Fig 1.B below), but keep pushing it until it fully aligns with coil?...and then keep pushing it further?
What happens is that magnet would be thrusted (acceloerated) out of coil in the same direction of the movement.
Hope yoou understand this now.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Edit: Image downloaded from the web shows North as Red...I use Blue for North on my image below...which could show slight confusion, however, it is same Vortex rotation for North.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 09:08:09 AM
Hello L192,
Guessing you meant by "an electrical rotating rotor" as a non mass rotating rotor, where it is just the magnetic field spectrum rotating, correct?
Now, my question is simple:
Have any of you guys (who oppose to this claim) done this test yourselves?
Only those who have built and done such claimed test, could be able to refuse it.
And of course, present your test video as a refusal proof.
Otherwise is pure air blow...
Plus, it is not "any" rotor, but must match* the number of salient poles on the stator, and so, *matching not necessarily means having same number of, but being multiple of such number.
Ufopolitics
Rotor yes, as you stated above.
However would you not agree that a replication of Holcombs patent i.e the 16 salient pole rotor would be a violation of the patent, without Holcombs permission?
L192
Quote from: listener192 on December 29, 2022, 09:32:53 AM
Rotor yes, as you stated above.
However would you not agree that a replication of Holcombs patent i.e the 16 salient pole rotor would be a violation of the patent, without Holcombs permission?
L192
A Violation of a Patent, would take place once you start marketing the same idea...for your own profit.
Or You start building these Generators and start selling them openly on the market.
This does not apply to replications with the purpose of "proof of claims", testing, experimenting, etc,etc...on the contrary, it would be backed up either way.
Quote from: bistander on December 29, 2022, 08:54:13 AM
Am I allowed to write this?
With regards to all current scientific knowledge, that claim is impossible.
bi
Sir
Being the ultimate keeper of scientific knowledge in today's world?
Not even remotely possible!
It changes by the ( nano?) second in today's world...
Your contributions are appreciated
Since you lack first hand access to working units delivered to "mostly " happy customers...Best to relax with generic defamatory statements !
Time will tell just how wonderful (or?) claims are !
Soon I am told !
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 09:08:09 AM
Hello L192,
Guessing you meant by "an electrical rotating rotor" as a non mass rotating rotor, where it is just the magnetic field spectrum rotating, correct?
Now, my question is simple:
Have any of you guys (who oppose to this claim) done this test yourselves?
Only those who have built and done such claimed test, could be able to refuse it.
And of course, present your test video as a refusal proof.
Otherwise is pure air blow...
Plus, it is not "any" rotor, but must match* the number of salient poles on the stator, and so, *matching not necessarily means having same number of, but being multiple of such number.
Ufopolitics
kolbacict did this.
bi
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572172/#msg572172
Quote from: bistander on December 29, 2022, 09:48:07 AM
kolbacict did this.
bi
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572172/#msg572172 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572172/#msg572172)
Nope, Kolbacict did not do the test I was referring to.
That was just referring
to lock a STANDARD Rotor off a 3 phase motor, NOT a 3 Phase Generator...and of course it is NOT going to work.
The "Test" is referring to
BUILD A SPECIFIC ROTOR for that purpose, yes,
unwind the conventional winding and rewind it "according" to HES Spec's or similar.Please do not add "confusion" to this debate...not needed at all.
And the Marco Rodin coil will not help us?
There is also something rotating...
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 10:08:12 AM
Nope, Kolbacict did not do the test I was referring to.
That was just referring to lock a STANDARD Rotor off a 3 phase motor, NOT a 3 Phase Generator...and of course it is NOT going to work.
The "Test" is referring to BUILD A SPECIFIC ROTOR for that purpose, yes, unwind the conventional winding and rewind it "according" to HES Spec's or similar.
Please do not add "confusion" to this debate...not needed at all.
Hi Ufo,
I know you disagree, but in reality, physically, there is no difference between motor and generator. Just leave it there.
Also it is ridiculous to insist that the sceptic replicate the device to disprove the claim. Been through this before also, so just leave it.
How far along have your efforts at Holcomb replication and proof progressed?
Carry on.
Regards.
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 29, 2022, 10:40:58 AM
Hi Ufo,
I know you disagree, but in reality, physically, there is no difference between motor and generator.
Bistander, you know, perfectly well, that a Motor Stator is never, ever, same as a Generator Stator, physically?...yes, well, they are both steel cylinders with slots to allow windings...but related to wire number of turns, gauge of wire, plus coil extension over time is totally different.
Quote from: bistander on December 29, 2022, 10:40:58 AMAlso it is ridiculous to insist that the sceptic replicate the device to disprove the claim. Been through this before also
Why not?...It would be then much credible that it either work or not. Citfta has replicated a lot of stuff, just to prevail his refusals or just to analyze it.
Also, look at the Thread He opened and built a model to show everyone.
So, why can't you do the same?
Quote from: bistander on December 29, 2022, 10:40:58 AM
How far along have your efforts at Holcomb replication and proof progressed?
Carry on.
Regards.
bi
Have not done much lately, have many pending testing to build and test...but it will get done eventually...keep waiting.
I have worked on these Systems before HES made his patents...and I have proof, time stamped.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 10:58:28 AM
Bistander, you know, perfectly well, that a Motor Stator is never, ever, same as a Generator Stator, physically?...yes, well, they are both steel cylinders with slots to allow windings...but related to wire number of turns, gauge of wire, plus coil extension over time is totally different.
Why not?...It would be then much credible that it either work or not. Citfta has replicated a lot of stuff, just to prevail his refusals or just to analyze it.
Also, look at the Thread He opened and built a model to show everyone.
So, why can't you do the same?
Have not done much lately, have many pending testing to build and test...but it will get done eventually...keep waiting.
I have worked on these Systems before HES made his patents...and I have proof, time stamped.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics,
You say you "worked on these systems".. what does that mean?
L192
Quote from: listener192 on December 29, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
Ufopolitics,
You say you "worked on these systems".. what does that mean?
L192
Obviously you have not read just the first post on
my Thread (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/) dedicated to these
systems**Systems to Generate Electricity based on moving just the Magnetic Field through steel cores and copper windings.
https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/ (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 11:51:34 AM
Obviously you have not read just the first post on my Thread (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/) dedicated to these systems*
*Systems to Generate Electricity based on moving just the Magnetic Field through steel cores and copper windings.
https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/ (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/)
Sorry, I am not capable of memorizing the total content of all the threads on this forum, so thanks for the link.
OK, but how does that work relate specifically to Holcombs devices?
Quote from: listener192 on December 29, 2022, 12:08:18 PM
OK, but how does that work relate specifically to Holcombs devices?
It is exactly the
same system principle, the same principle as Pierre Cotnoir, the same system as Clemente Figuera back in 1902-1908 Patent...etc,etc,etc...
It is all about
Moving just the Magnetic Field, not the Coils, not the Steel Cores whether it be an Outer or Inner "Field Rotor".
As it don't matter if we rotate or displace the Field linearly or in a circle...or in ANY other geometrically possible imaginable shape or form...even Elliptical, or square, pentagon...the Field would still make any complicated radical turn, and very fast, whether in 2D or 3D...without the need of any "bearings".
Point here, it's been done before...way back to 1902 - 1908...
I have also Threads on Energetic Forum that date back as far as 2016...and before.
On a separate note...yes there are thousands of Threads here...however, I know perfectly well (as I know many here) how to disguise/filter what is good and what is plain BS...
Sorry but am too busy now...so, please, let's kill it here. Thks
Ufopolitics
Happy New Year Ufopolitics
CONGRATULATIONS - Your thread has been cited as "The Best Thread of the Year for 2022" by the little known
adhoc bunch - the "Society for Advanced Energy Concepts (SAEC)."
Excellent Work all around including your Builds and some Great Insight!
Thanks from everyone involved for sharing your exciting projects!
Ufopolitics --- Topic: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils
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Ufopolitics: (Re: Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils)
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2022, 08:04:39 PM »
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"I have decided to migrate my Post from Holcomb Thread here...as I will show further developments in a near future:
A Brief summary...
We need to work more on our Developing and Research "Techniques"...As "enhancing" our "Powers of Deeper Analysis"...please, let me explain..."
The "Secret" - "Not collapsing the Main Field...but harvesting it, feeding it, while mutating only minimal small chunks to stimulate a movement...a Rotation."
"WHY in this World DO WE STILL NEED A "STATOR-ROTOR-STRUCTURE" (or simply put: a Two Part Generator) where the so called "Rotor" does NOT Rotate??!!... "
VIDEO DEMONSTRATING VOLTAGE 2X OVERUNITY
https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549 (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549)
All the Best to You and Your Family in the comming Year!
SL, SAEC, et.al
QuoteVIDEO DEMONSTRATING VOLTAGE 2X OVERUNITY
https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568549/#msg568549
Nicely done video Ufo,
But it does not show "2X OVERUNITY". You say near the end that the scope shows power, then slightly later, energy. That is incorrect. The scope was displaying voltage, as you correctly stated early. There is no OU (meaning more output power than input power) with a simple voltage increase. Transformers do it. And that is basically what you demonstrated, a transformer with approximately 2 : 1 turns ratio.
Your test was conducted with a open circuit output, or at no-load, right? So power output is zero. So DUT efficiency = 0 as seen on the video.
Nicely executed device. Really clean and smooth. Well done.
bi
UFOpolitics, congratulations!
I may also have good news. Now it's like I don't even know what to say.
If everything is confirmed experimentally, I will probably add (or rather write down) Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction.
It lacks the whirlwind action content. I wrote this method for myself to understand the ongoing processes.
Having superimposed on the devices of Holcomb and Figuere, everything just became at an understandable level.
There are slight delays in experiments, damn war, I love logic anyway!
You are all close to trample, but not in essence. I myself was like that, I just did altruism on a rake.
By the way, the simplicity that has been opened does not mean that you can simply put the generator into operation.
Study in more detail the excitation of the working field in a synchronous generator.
Congratulations again!
All with the approaching calendar new year, astrological has already arrived!
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 29, 2022, 12:24:48 PM
It is exactly the same system principle, the same principle as Pierre Cotnoir, the same system as Clemente Figuera back in 1902-1908 Patent...etc,etc,etc...
It is all about Moving just the Magnetic Field, not the Coils, not the Steel Cores whether it be an Outer or Inner "Field Rotor".
As it don't matter if we rotate or displace the Field linearly or in a circle...or in ANY other geometrically possible imaginable shape or form...even Elliptical, or square, pentagon...the Field would still make any complicated radical turn, and very fast, whether in 2D or 3D...without the need of any "bearings".
Point here, it's been done before...way back to 1902 - 1908...
I have also Threads on Energetic Forum that date back as far as 2016...and before.
On a separate note...yes there are thousands of Threads here...however, I know perfectly well (as I know many here) how to disguise/filter what is good and what is plain BS...
Sorry but am too busy now...so, please, let's kill it here. Thks
Ufopolitics
Ufopolitics,
I have not seen one replicated example of
Clemente Figueras work that demonstrates an efficiency over 100%.
With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.
From my experience with the DZ and modeling with FEMM, I would speculate that a standard three phase stator and a DC switched 16 salient pole rotor will produce good induction (at normal line voltages) in the stator windings, although a switched sequence of four salient poles per pole would not produce the highest phase power (for a given load). The highest phase power would be achieved by having three salient poles ON per pole and then rotating that arrangement.
However, I cannot see how rotating poles by either means, changes the flux coupling that will occur between rotor and stator, which will ensure the load on the stator windings is seen fully by the switched rotor DC power supply.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
However, I cannot see how rotating poles by either means, changes the flux coupling that will occur between rotor and stator, which will ensure the load on the stator windings is seen fully by the switched rotor DC power supply.
L192
Good time!
A counter question, how does an electromagnetic moment arise in a traditional synchronous generator, with the phase wires laid in the stator groove?
It occurs when a current occurs in the stator winding. EMF in the phase also occurs at idle. Thus the phase field under load, enhances the excitation field.
I gave an interesting slide (before) for the methodology for calculating the EMF of a synchronous generator with laying in a groove, but it does not completely coincide with reality. This is for general educational concepts, as it turned out, it has nothing to do with a design engineer.
Sincerely.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572484/#msg572484
Hi Rakarskiy,
The stator phase(s) on load are monitored by the AVR which increases or decreases excitation to maintain phase line voltage...so, not sure of the point you are wanting to make?
Was it that the AVR can take its power directly from the stator winding, as per an AC self excited generator?
(https://support.wellandpower.net/hc/article_attachments/360009099697/self-excited-ac-alternator-diagram-stamford.png)
L192
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
Ufopolitics,
I have not seen one replicated example of Clemente Figueras work that demonstrates an efficiency over 100%.
Of course not...otherwise we all would have the key to FE and OU by now...
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.
I have seen your work and it is impressive, a lot of effort!!, however, as many others, that are tight up to the classic magnetic field theories, dedicated more time to the Arduino Program, to the switching boards circuit, and very little about trying to see your magnetic field rotating, measuring field strenght, etc,etc.
Pierre Cotnoir knowledge about magnetism is very limited, as He admit it himself on that Thread, IMO He hit the jackpot without knowing how he did it...and then after burning first setup, he totally lost all original and working device essence to make it work.
Where have you seen Pierre's new configuration, after He burnt first DZ Generator?
Could you provide a link?...thks
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
From my experience with the DZ and modeling with FEMM, I would speculate that a standard three phase stator and a DC switched 16 salient pole rotor will produce good induction (at normal line voltages) in the stator windings, although a switched sequence of four salient poles per pole would not produce the highest phase power (for a given load). The highest phase power would be achieved by having three salient poles ON per pole and then rotating that arrangement.
However, I cannot see how rotating poles by either means, changes the flux coupling that will occur between rotor and stator, which will ensure the load on the stator windings is seen fully by the switched rotor DC power supply.
L192
Of course, it is mentioned by Pierre on his posts, the more you brake down the main field pole(s), the HIGHER RESOLUTION you will get.
That is why HES uses multiple single coils on his Solid State Rotor for the standing alone units.
What I have learned over the years working on these systems, is that
collapsing the field, at any point in time, will kill your output currents. So, you MUST ALWAYS keep a higher portion of the Field "alive" during transitions/translations of the field.
Second, the "amount of Field alive" should match up your Stator Coils width.
These Systems work as MECHANICAL GEARS, Your Rotor have gears, as well as your stator...and so, if the salient tooth of both gears, do not align between them, or are too separated, to the point of not binding properly...then output would be very poor if any.
As many details come up as well, like spacing between gears tooth, sync timing, pressures at rotation, etc,etc.
An Electronic Rotating Field is very fast and very subtle, faster than a rotating steel mass attached to the field, so if it is not ENGAGED properly, having in mind all attributes I have mentioned above, once you accelerate exciting Field, gears will start slipping off their tracks with Stator communication...and no powerful output would be obtained.
When I saw Pierre Cotnoir on one of his videos, get a piece of paper on top of generator assembly and dump some steel shavings...I got highly disappointed.
There are very new advanced methods to see the real magnetic field in movement, more clearly than loose, randomly spread steel dirt.
The Magnetic Viewing Film is one of them...just to cite the simplest and less expensive one.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
Ufopolitics,
I have not seen one replicated example of Clemente Figueras work that demonstrates an efficiency over 100%.
With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.
From my experience with the DZ and modeling with FEMM, I would speculate that a standard three phase stator and a DC switched 16 salient pole rotor will produce good induction (at normal line voltages) in the stator windings, although a switched sequence of four salient poles per pole would not produce the highest phase power (for a given load). The highest phase power would be achieved by having three salient poles ON per pole and then rotating that arrangement.
However, I cannot see how rotating poles by either means, changes the flux coupling that will occur between rotor and stator, which will ensure the load on the stator windings is seen fully by the switched rotor DC power supply.
L192
Hi L192,
I find close similarities in your post with regards to my analysis of the 16-tooth 4-pole Holcomb rotor having coils on individual teeth, what you refer to as 4 salient poles/pole. Points which I have tried to stress are highlighted/bolded.
With regards to the second bolded passage, I go further and think excitation of two coils per pole would work best. Actually I find it absurd to wind such a pattern. In shop terms, it has a coil span of slots 1 to 2, or in layman terms, each coil surrounding a single tooth. Then, by connecting 4 coils in a group to form a single functional pole, essentially 3 coils are made redundant. A coil span of 1 to 5, encompassing 4 teeth or equalling the pole pitch would appear ideal, however this allows no interpolar region or transfer space between poles of opposite polarity. That is why you find the common 16 tooth 4 pole rotor wound using a coil span of 1 to 4 and lap wound, short corded, or span of 1 to 5 fully corded. Typically these are excited via a mechanical commutator, but certainly could be sequentially excited using solid state electronics.
Just opinions from an old DC motor designer. Carry on.
bi
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 05:48:20 AM
With regards to the DZ, I have replicated that work extensively and posted the results on this forum. Far too much energy is wasted as heat in stator windings that have no flux coupling to the rotor.
Pierre's geometry can never produce the results he shows in his videos and is a fake for sure. Also supported by the fact he went on to a completely different geometry after the original device burnt up, which also failed. If he truely had a working device he would have rebuilt it and performed instrumented tests.
Pierre's DZ Generator was a Single Phase Sync type, except, He reverted the rotor to the outside.
Now, if we go to a typical, rotating single phase generator, the exciting field is based on a two pole rotor, so, at all times during rotation, there are also some coils -on the stator- which do not have any "flux coupling" to the rotor.
And the point here is that there always should be some of the coils at an "idle" stage during operation.
Normally, this "idling stage" (on the single phase types) is used to induce the rotor exciting field coils on stator (retro-feeding circuit), whether through the brushes or by the LC Tank Circuit of the "brushless generators".
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 30, 2022, 09:05:33 AM
Of course not...otherwise we all would have the key to FE and OU by now...
I have seen your work and it is impressive, a lot of effort!!, however, as many others, that are tight up to the classic magnetic field theories, dedicated more time to the Arduino Program, to the switching boards circuit, and very little about trying to see your magnetic field rotating, measuring field strenght, etc,etc.
Pierre Cotnoir knowledge about magnetism is very limited, as He admit it himself on that Thread, IMO He hit the jackpot without knowing how he did it...and then after burning first setup, he totally lost all original and working device essence to make it work.
Where have you seen Pierre's new configuration, after He burnt first DZ Generator?
Could you provide a link?...thks
Of course, it is mentioned by Pierre on his posts, the more you brake down the main field pole(s), the HIGHER RESOLUTION you will get.
That is why HES uses multiple single coils on his Solid State Rotor for the standing alone units.
What I have learned over the years working on these systems, is that collapsing the field, at any point in time, will kill your output currents. So, you MUST ALWAYS keep a higher portion of the Field "alive" during transitions/translations of the field.
Second, the "amount of Field alive" should match up your Stator Coils width.
These Systems work as MECHANICAL GEARS, Your Rotor have gears, as well as your stator...and so, if the salient tooth of both gears, do not align between them, or are too separated, to the point of not binding properly...then output would be very poor if any.
As many details come up as well, like spacing between gears tooth, sync timing, pressures at rotation, etc,etc.
An Electronic Rotating Field is very fast and very subtle, faster than a rotating steel mass attached to the field, so if it is not ENGAGED properly, having in mind all attributes I have mentioned above, once you accelerate exciting Field, gears will start slipping off their tracks with Stator communication...and no powerful output would be obtained.
When I saw Pierre Cotnoir on one of his videos, get a piece of paper on top of generator assembly and dump some steel shavings...I got highly disappointed.
There are very new advanced methods to see the real magnetic field in movement, more clearly than loose, randomly spread steel dirt.
The Magnetic Viewing Film is one of them...just to cite the simplest and less expensive one.
Ufopolitics
Re Pierres new generator: Pierre has taken down all his you tube content, so it is no longer available, however someone may have downloaded the new generator configuration. It was the same stator with coils located in the slots but wrapped to the outer of the stator basically coils energizing around the stator, the flux being contained in the stator except where the rotor engages.
This was the wrong way to go. He showed flux rotating around the stator with iron filings but nothing else.
I think maybe you are mistaking me for someone else, as I made a lot of flux measurements with Hall probes. That was how I determined that only a small level of flux was actually crossing the rotor in the DZ. I don't have blind faith in devices that appear to be incredible, I need to replicate to confirm claimed operation or not and thats what I did with the DZ.
Regarding the rotating field (or should I say discretly stepped field). I don't disagree with what you have said, including rotor pole width equaling stator pole width, to maximise induction
however, how is this rotating field supposed to result in stator power output above 100% efficiency? This was the question I wanted you to answer.
L192
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 30, 2022, 09:47:21 AM
Pierre's DZ Generator was a Single Phase Sync type, except, He reverted the rotor to the outside.
Now, if we go to a typical, rotating single phase generator, the exciting field is based on a two pole rotor, so, at all times during rotation, there are also some coils -on the stator- which do not have any "flux coupling" to the rotor.
And the point here is that there always should be some of the coils at an "idle" stage during operation.
Normally, this "idling stage" (on the single phase types) is used to induce the rotor exciting field coils on stator (retro-feeding circuit), whether through the brushes or by the LC Tank Circuit of the "brushless generators".
Regards
Ufopolitics
Well yes in the case of the DZ, only the coils in registration with the rotor did any useful work.
Quote from: bistander on December 30, 2022, 09:19:20 AM
Hi L192,
I find close similarities in your post with regards to my analysis of the 16-tooth 4-pole Holcomb rotor having coils on individual teeth, what you refer to as 4 salient poles/pole. Points which I have tried to stress are highlighted/bolded.
With regards to the second bolded passage, I go further and think excitation of two coils per pole would work best. Actually I find it absurd to wind such a pattern. In shop terms, it has a coil span of slots 1 to 2, or in layman terms, each coil surrounding a single tooth. Then, by connecting 4 coils in a group to form a single functional pole, essentially 3 coils are made redundant. A coil span of 1 to 5, encompassing 4 teeth or equalling the pole pitch would appear ideal, however this allows no interpolar region or transfer space between poles of opposite polarity. That is why you find the common 16 tooth 4 pole rotor wound using a coil span of 1 to 4 and lap wound, short corded, or span of 1 to 5 fully corded. Typically these are excited via a mechanical commutator, but certainly could be sequentially excited using solid state electronics.
Just opinions from an old DC motor designer. Carry on.
bi
Hi Bistander,
Yes indeed, once you realize that sequencing individual salient poles doesn't gain you anything, then winding around individual salient poles only provides lower coil impedance i.e. parallel switching. As you have said you could just wind coils around three salient poles to form a pole. As for allowing a gap between poles, I totally concur.
I think you can build a low voltage DC powered AC line generator this way, that would produce a reasonable sine. Of course it would suck power and have low conversion efficiency compared with a static inverter.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 10:21:15 AM
however, how is this rotating field supposed to result in stator power output above 100% efficiency? This was the question I wanted you to answer.
L192
Simple and basic answer:
No longer involved a very heavy Steel Rotor mass plus copper coils mass, just to carry a weightless, massless Field.The above brings a LOT of advantages over a Steel-Copper Rotor spinning:
1- No need of a herculean Gas or Diesel engine torque, to force rotor to spin under heavy loading conditions.
2- Physical Lenz Law no longer actuating over the physically spinning magnetically always on, steel rotor.
3- The Magnetic Field itself, can go through steel and copper, just like a very sharp knife through butter and at speeds that any steel mass rotor carrying field could go at.
The problems with these systems that I have observed over a long time, and that Rakarkiy has broought up many times here, is that it is not easy -at all- to be able to engage properly and in a "solid fashion", the Exciting Field with the Output Stator Field, once the later is loaded.
Everytime I have run these devices, I can feel a "slippery clutch" whenever I accelerate the spinning field...which reflects in a current drop on output, as the sinewave decaying on our Scopes.
But I can assure you, that if we find the way to properly engage BOTH FIELDS in a very solid and strong bonding...it would not only be 100% efficiency...but way above that.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 10:24:34 AM
Well yes in the case of the DZ, only the coils in registration with the rotor did any useful work.
I am sorry L192, but, based on your answer above, you still have not been able to
properly visualize how the DZ Generator worked...
So, -IMO- I believe you are visualizing it as a Transformer with Flux-Linking.
The Rotor on the DZ Generator was on the outside, which means that the
magnetic field traveled (rotated) through the whole outer steel core in a 360º scenario.
So, yes, Pierre could have done also a full 360º inner output stator, which -IMHO- would have been much better in performance and efficiency, however, this single coil stator did get flux changes at all times (360º) during rotation of the outer exciting field.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 30, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
Simple and basic answer: No longer involved a very heavy Steel Rotor mass plus copper coils mass, just to carry a weightless, massless Field.
The above brings a LOT of advantages over a Steel-Copper Rotor spinning:
1- No need of a herculean Gas or Diesel engine torque, to force rotor to spin under heavy loading conditions.
2- Physical Lenz Law no longer actuating over the physically spinning magnetically always on, steel rotor.
3- The Magnetic Field itself, can go through steel and copper, just like a very sharp knife through butter and at speeds that any steel mass rotor carrying field could go at.
The problems with these systems that I have observed over a long time, and that Rakarkiy has broought up many times here, is that it is not easy -at all- to be able to engage properly and in a "solid fashion", the Exciting Field with the Output Stator Field, once the later is loaded.
Everytime I have run these devices, I can feel a "slippery clutch" whenever I accelerate the spinning field...which reflects in a current drop on output, as the sinewave decaying on our Scopes.
But I can assure you, that if we find the way to properly engage BOTH FIELDS in a very solid and strong bonding...it would not only be 100% efficiency...but way above that.
Ufopolitics
1. You still need an electrical input DC or AC.
2. You still have lenz in the stator coil edges when load current flows.
3. Within the limits of the Hysteresis of the steel.
4. The rotor-stator coupling would still be via an airgap.
5. The rotor coil inductance determines the optimum switching speed, which if you exceed, stator phase output will start to reduce.
Slippage? Where do you think the flux is going if it is not engaging with the stator? (also considering 5 above)
Sounds like just the usual lenz action to me.
L192
Is this motor suitable for experimenting with Holcomb ?
If you switch coils with a four-phase commutator?
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
1. You still need an electrical input DC or AC.
No comparison by gas in an ICE, plus all maintenance required...
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
2. You still have lenz in the stator coil edges when load current flows.
That would not even affect the rotation of a massless, weightless field.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
3. Within the limits of the Hysteresis of the steel.
The hysteresis actually becomes a hysteria of lenz, not being able to stop the spinning field...it will translate into a "tantrum" as a heavy vibration and humming sound.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
4. The rotor-stator coupling would still be via an airgap.
On this HES and Pierre Cotnoir config, yes...but it is definitively "not limited to"...it could be done on a single steel structure.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
5. The rotor coil inductance determines the optimum switching speed, which if you exceed, stator phase output will start to reduce.
It could be...however, I rather concentrate on Field generation spec's.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
Slippage? Where do you think the flux is going if it is not engaging with the stator? (also considering 5 above)
Sounds like just the usual lenz action to me.
L192
Nope, Lenz on the electromagnetic reaction, reflects as a rise on the input amperage, after output is loaded...however, if you accelerate Field speed, you will "leave Lenz effect behind"...or "in your rear view mirror"... :D
The "slippage" am talking about, refers after Lenz is behind...and all parameters controlled, including lowering Input Amperage.
Ufopolitics
Can you provide proof of your last statement?
As lenz occurs at the electron charge level, I don't see any way it can be left behind!
Quote from: kolbacict on December 30, 2022, 11:37:09 AM
Is this motor suitable for experimenting with Holcomb ?
If you switch coils with a four-phase commutator?
Off hand, I'd say not.
But you're a smart fellow. Pulsing coils and trying secondary configurations might reveal some hidden secrets. Who really knows what we're looking for with Holcomb.
bi
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 12:33:54 PM
Can you provide proof of your last statement?
As lenz occurs at the electron charge level, I don't see any way it can be left behind!
L192,
Remember that Lenz is just a "
byproduct"...
Byproduct definition:
"A secondary result, unintended but inevitably produced in doing or producing something else..."Lenz is generated in two forms, one physical, creating an opposing force
on the mass of its producing, originating force.
And second, as a rise in Amps, a demand from input to add more currents. (normally seen on
transformers*, when secondary is loaded)
So, when this
massless Field Spectrum, passes by, at a very high speed, by not having the steel mass delay in effect (which is actually what freezes/pauses time)...then Lenz is just left with the second property...just rising the amperage...but not by much.
It is a matter of spacetime difference.
However, in
Transformers*, the Magnetic Field is completely fixed to a "spacetime" constraint...
but not on these moving field systems...
So, yes, Lenz gets behind...just because this moving field is faster than its mass-time reaction.
Ufopolitics
Well thats not proof but just your theory, but perhaps you can still provide some proof via experimental evidence?
So by using the terms you express in your theory, as holcombs devices have coils wrapped around steel how would they not avoid the steel mass delay?
Remember, my original question relates to the rotor in the holcomb device.. how would it manifest out efficiencies exceeding 100%?
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Well thats not proof but just your theory, but perhaps you can still provide some proof via experimental evidence?
So by using the terms you express in your theory, as holcombs devices have coils wrapped around steel how would they not avoid the steel mass delay?
Remember, my original question relates to the rotor in the holcomb device.. how would it manifest out efficiencies exceeding 100%?
Yes, yes, I know it is not any proof, whatever I wrote before...
I was looking for the post, the video, and the links...
Post: https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568575/#msg568575 (https://overunity.com/19085/energy-generation-by-moving-mag-field-through-static-steel-core-copper-coils/msg568575/#msg568575)
Video: https://youtu.be/4eR65D8e74o?t=228 (https://youtu.be/4eR65D8e74o?t=228)
Video link is already set to start at time
3:48 that is when I connect bulb (load)...then accelerate field.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 30, 2022, 01:36:34 PM
So, yes, Lenz gets behind...just because this moving field is faster than its mass-time reaction.
Ufopolitics
Right. And we can increase the speed of rotation of the magnetic field with a magnetic gearbox for mechanical gears.
A gearbox that has nothing to do with Lenz's law.
At the start your output power is a lot less than your input power.
You believe lenz is being circumvented because of the speed up condition where output voltage and current drops?
The output power decreases?
Hello,
First, I am not trying to prove Overunity on any of these videos.
THE MAIN POINT HERE, is to understand how these systems works.
When I accelerate Field rotation, Input Amperage REDUCE, while Output Amperage INCREASE.
Input Voltage stays exactly the same.
And that is the main reason to observe here.
And I was having an issue with brush contacts, that is why I can not rise speed above a certain limit...because the brushes start separating from commutator...or not making a solid contact.
Ufopolitics
An Amps "anomaly" captured on video...here is the image.
And of course, the Output Voltage reduces whenever I obtain these amps readings, you can tell by seen the bulb light dimmer, compared to a higher voltage on previous video.
Note on the image the Input Volts + Amps on the blue screen...versus the AC Clamp Amperage.
I got images where the amps increased up to 6.0 amps...however, voltage dropped to the point bulb went off.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 02:19:18 PM
At the start your output power is a lot less than your input power.
But of course, and that was the point, to demonstrate that by increasing Field Speed,
Output Amperage starts to increase, while Input Amperage reduces.
For a good observer, will realize the Bulb light never dimmed out during the readings...meaning voltage kept the same levels.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 02:19:18 PM
You believe lenz is being circumvented because of the speed up condition where output voltage and current drops?
Did you see output power (basically amperage) dropping?...or was it a typo and you meant "Input" instead of output?
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 02:19:18 PM
The output power decreases?
;D
Using solid state switching would remove the brush/speed issues.
This setup is using a steel armature and steel rotor, so by your own reasoning lenz would still apply and its obvious that output power remains much lower than input power.
So for the most part it is behaving, as I would expect Holcombs 16 salient pole rotor to behave.. much less than 100% efficient.
I have seen this condition before where you reach a switching speed where the coil on period versus the coil inductance is just sufficent to reach maximum coil current limited by supply voltage and coil resistance. As you approach this point input current drops and output current and voltage into the load increases.
Normally a further increase in switching speed results in a drop in output voltage and current. At no point does anything remarkable happen.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 03:07:10 PM
This setup is using a steel armature and steel rotor, so by your own reasoning lenz would still apply and its obvious that output power remains much lower than input power.
So for the most part it is behaving, as I would expect Holcombs 16 salient pole rotor to behave.. much less than 100% efficient.
You can't judge Holcomb's system based on my lousy setup ande testing!!...I know where to improve, I still have many more tests to make...and other setup to build and test.
Plus I got a 4 ch scope and two amp probe clamps...so, yes, tests would be more accurate.
Quote from: listener192 on December 30, 2022, 03:07:10 PM
I have seen this condition before where you reach a switching speed where the coil on period versus the coil inductance is just sufficent to reach maximum coil current limited by supply voltage and coil resistance. As you approach this point input current drops and output current and voltage into the load increases.
Normally a further increase in switching speed results in a drop in output voltage and current. At no point does anything remarkable happen.
Hey L192, man, no matter what, you (as many here) would always see a half full glass as "a half empty glass"...while I, will always look at it as "a half full glass"...
Have everyone a very Happy New Year!!Ufopolitics
A quick one before a long many or two - Happy Hour!
BACK EMF (Motor) & MAGNETIC DRAG (Generator)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4B_kYeG10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4B_kYeG10)
NOTE:
# 1. "after some time - repeated..." (dv/dt, di/dt, Tau) (Inductance, B-H).
#2. But in the HES Generator there is NO mechanical input to oppose!
#3. And, as we know - there is NO constant Magnetic Field in the HES.
It is switched On/Off. In an apparent rotating manner.
SL
P.S. I won't phone for Bail before 11:00 AM... :)
After a good Beer Reset:
' Forgot to add an important part - #1b. '
BACK EMF (Motor) & MAGNETIC DRAG (Generator)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4B_kYeG10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4B_kYeG10)
NOTE:
#1a. "after some time" - repeated... (dv/dt, di/dt, Tau) (Inductance, B-H).
#1b. "a current carrying conductor..."
#2. But in the HES Generator, there is NO mechanical input to oppose!
#3. And, as we know - there is NO constant Magnetic Field in the HES.
It is switched On/Off. In an apparent rotating manner.
OK, now lets get back to "Reset #2!" Happy New Year! :P
SL
Just for comparison, consider a different attempt to explain this stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcWJa9JBuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcWJa9JBuY)
Now you can see why things can get confused real quick!
(Trying to hard to be technical before the basics are understood?)
A Lesson...
and, #4. As you can see, HES has very little in common with a conventional
Motor or Generator in both operation and theory. Think differently!
Plus - HES is a Generator only, with no moving physical parts!
Quote from: SolarLab on December 31, 2022, 08:00:06 PM
A Lesson...
and, #4. As you can see, HES has very little in common with a conventional
Motor or Generator in both operation and theory. Think differently!
Plus - HES is a Generator only, with no moving physical parts!
I still feel like we are looking at two motor/generators coupled together in a single black box. We see an electrical input and an electrical output, but we don't see the center coupling, not directly. That center part is where the magic is, hidden in the magnetic forces. I wish rakarskiy would just tell us in a paragraph or two. Even better if he could show us a simple demonstration. I'd really like to experience that "Oh! I get it now!" moment.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 31, 2022, 09:35:48 PM
I still feel like we are looking at two motor/generators coupled together in a single black box. We see an electrical input and an electrical output, but we don't see the center coupling, not directly. That center part is where the magic is, hidden in the magnetic forces. I wish rakarskiy would just tell us in a paragraph or two. Even better if he could show us a simple demonstration. I'd really like to experience that "Oh! I get it now!" moment.
Hi Dog-One,
An extremely helpful step in assisting your "Oh! I get it now moment" would be for you to outline, in as much detail as possible,
the extent to which you already understand the Holcomb processes - what techniques and methods you are already comfortable
with, and clearly understand, about the HES devices. There has been quite a bit published already on the subject that is available
as reference and informational material.
Sometimes a logical progression of the sequences used is a good place to start. For example; at t=0 a pulse is sent to the rotor N1 Coil,
this in turn causes the N1 Pole piece to create a B field flux. The flux density is based upon the pole piece magnetic material, current and
number of turns [a.k.a H]. And so on...
The magnetic flux follows a magnetic circuit or path consisting of the rotor pole piece, air gap, stator pole piece, etc. Which, in turn,
creates a current in the stator Lap Winding. And so on... Kind of a "logical walk-through the device" as much as possible.
You get the idea. It also helps a great deal when others are attempting to to "fill in any blanks" and figure out any misconceptions or
missing pieces that may exist. More often than not this excercise will turn up many parts that are "self answering."
At worst, your outline of "current understanding" will provide a common platform from which all concerned can work.
It is also of value when attempting to create a "Course" on the subject - an independant view so to speak. Looking forward to your
reply.
Regards,
SL
And here is no turn out a beautiful ring...
something was rotating, but what not understand.
Perhaps the deflection plates inside the tube spoil the picture.
Must find CRT from TV.
https://youtu.be/1xAuvujAysY (https://youtu.be/1xAuvujAysY)
Quote from: SolarLab on December 31, 2022, 10:30:58 PM
An extremely helpful step in assisting your "Oh! I get it now moment" would be for you to outline, in as much detail as possible,
the extent to which you already understand the Holcomb processes - what techniques and methods you are already comfortable
with, and clearly understand, about the HES devices. There has been quite a bit published already on the subject that is available
as reference and informational material.
Sometimes a logical progression of the sequences used is a good place to start. For example; at t=0 a pulse is sent to the rotor N1 Coil,
this in turn causes the N1 Pole piece to create a B field flux. The flux density is based upon the pole piece magnetic material, current and
number of turns [a.k.a H]. And so on...
The magnetic flux follows a magnetic circuit or path consisting of the rotor pole piece, air gap, stator pole piece, etc. Which, in turn,
creates a current in the stator Lap Winding. And so on... Kind of a "logical walk-through the device" as much as possible.
You get the idea. It also helps a great deal when others are attempting to to "fill in any blanks" and figure out any misconceptions or
missing pieces that may exist. More often than not this excercise will turn up many parts that are "self answering."
At worst, your outline of "current understanding" will provide a common platform from which all concerned can work.
It is also of value when attempting to create a "Course" on the subject - an independant view so to speak. Looking forward to your
reply.
SolarLab,
You sure know how to put me on the spot. Okay, I'll bite...
I comprehend the basics in the patent, the one that focuses on how you would go about retrofitting an existing generator with a salient pole rotor. In that patent it is pretty clearly stated the time sequencing of events, almost to the point of ad nauseam. Where I get lost is with the instantaneous magnetic forces produced by the rotor and countered by the stator.
If we attempt to build a motor that does not also behave like a generator, we have successfully negotiated the first hurdle. This is something I'm quite certain UFOpolitics has stated numerous times in the past. How do we do that? Mechanics.
Suppose we do have a device like I mentioned above, a motor on the front half and a generator on the back half. Two separate units, coupled with a shaft, a belt, a chain, magnetic gears, or whatever your mind can conceive of. Input is electric, output is also electric. What does this device have to show us straight away? It has to operate in such a manner where electrical energy can only pass through it in one direction. If you back-feed it, nothing comes out the front. Does the HES do this? I have no earthly idea. Examining the patent, I would say yeah, you might see something coming from the rotor windings when current is sequenced into the stator. I'm sure it's far less than optimal. So we potentially have a device that allows power to flow better in one direction than the other. It's not perfect but certainly better than a conventional motor/generator combination. Question then: Do we have to do this with an HES device or could we use two off-the-shelf devices? If you think any of the QMoGen devices were real, then the answer is yes, you could do the same thing as the HES with a dedicated motor and a dedicated generator. I'm pretty certain I could hand pick a motor and a generator, link them together and I would get just what I'm after--a complete unit that only allows electrical power to flow through in one direction. Big frick'n deal. So there must be more. As partzman stated, "Where's the gain function?" Again, I have no earthly idea.
I do think there is something wholly fundamental we might be missing. First, I know I need to produce a magnetic force exactly where and when I need it, with the proper polarity. Call the solution an electromagnet with some switching to drive it. We all know about that stuff. Second, I need to sweep electrical conductors with this magnetic force in such a manner where the back EMF from a connected load doesn't weaken the magnetic force I produce, or if it does, only very minor. Third, I need to minimize the power it takes to produce a specific magnetic force while maximizing the power I can get from conductors swept by that magnetic force.
For starters, amps are what produce magnetic force. The more turns of wire with the most amps wins this battle every time. We even have a unit of measure known as amp-turns. Volts doesn't cut it. In fact it actually wastes power. We only use volts to overcome the resistance of long skinny wires that we need to wind lots and lots of turns. How about we stick with thick heavy wire, get as many turns as possible, crank the amperage up as high as we can, lower the voltage to nearly nothing and call it good. If we do this our power (V x A) will stay pretty low, our amp-turns will be reasonable and our magnetic force will be usable. And as a bonus with only a handful of turns, our inductance is low, so our speed to magnetize (or form a dipole) is fast.
On the output we want all the power (V x A) we can get. We need turns to get EMF (voltage), we need ampacity (thin wires and lots of them in parallel), so we really need space. Let's put these windings on the outermost circumference of the device and feed the magnetic field across these wires as optimally as possible so we don't suffer losses in the magnetic core which is our guides for this force.
The last thing we need is to deal with the back EMF. We cannot allow this BEMF to weaken the magnetic force we produce. Here I have to speculate a possible strategy because it is unknown to me how the HES device actually does it. My thinking is this:
The inductance of the output windings are far greater than the inductance of our input windings, so if we switch fast enough, the output coils will produce the EMF we intend, but the magnetic Lenz force (BEMF) they create will no longer matter because we have already altered the position of the magnetic field. So the output windings indeed push back, but they don't push back in a position that weakens our input coils. And that's my theory. UFOpolitics says I'm wrong and that's fine. I was never ordained to save the world, only to participate in it.
Anyway, have I expressed a gain function with such a device? Potentially is all. You already pushed such a device through your CAE software and those conclusions got you to this point. For me it would be nice to have Chet put me in contact with one of these "happy customers" so I could sign a NDA and tour this fancy power facility. Of course if I do that, I'll know exactly how an HES performs and never be able to speak of it ever again, let alone show anyone pictures. Welcome to the suck.
Quote from: Dog-One on January 01, 2023, 01:48:21 AM
SolarLab,
You sure know how to put me on the spot. Okay, I'll bite...
I comprehend the basics in the patent, the one that focuses on how you would go about retrofitting an existing generator with a salient pole rotor. In that patent it is pretty clearly stated the time sequencing of events, almost to the point of ad nauseam. Where I get lost is with the instantaneous magnetic forces produced by the rotor and countered by the stator.
If we attempt to build a motor that does not also behave like a generator, we have successfully negotiated the first hurdle. This is something I'm quite certain UFOpolitics has stated numerous times in the past. How do we do that? Mechanics.
Suppose we do have a device like I mentioned above, a motor on the front half and a generator on the back half. Two separate units, coupled with a shaft, a belt, a chain, magnetic gears, or whatever your mind can conceive of. Input is electric, output is also electric. What does this device have to show us straight away? It has to operate in such a manner where electrical energy can only pass through it in one direction. If you back-feed it, nothing comes out the front. Does the HES do this? I have no earthly idea. Examining the patent, I would say yeah, you might see something coming from the rotor windings when current is sequenced into the stator. I'm sure it's far less than optimal. So we potentially have a device that allows power to flow better in one direction than the other. It's not perfect but certainly better than a conventional motor/generator combination. Question then: Do we have to do this with an HES device or could we use two off-the-shelf devices? If you think any of the QMoGen devices were real, then the answer is yes, you could do the same thing as the HES with a dedicated motor and a dedicated generator. I'm pretty certain I could hand pick a motor and a generator, link them together and I would get just what I'm after--a complete unit that only allows electrical power to flow through in one direction. Big frick'n deal. So there must be more. As partzman stated, "Where's the gain function?" Again, I have no earthly idea.
I do think there is something wholly fundamental we might be missing. First, I know I need to produce a magnetic force exactly where and when I need it, with the proper polarity. Call the solution an electromagnet with some switching to drive it. We all know about that stuff. Second, I need to sweep electrical conductors with this magnetic force in such a manner where the back EMF from a connected load doesn't weaken the magnetic force I produce, or if it does, only very minor. Third, I need to minimize the power it takes to produce a specific magnetic force while maximizing the power I can get from conductors swept by that magnetic force.
For starters, amps are what produce magnetic force. The more turns of wire with the most amps wins this battle every time. We even have a unit of measure known as amp-turns. Volts doesn't cut it. In fact it actually wastes power. We only use volts to overcome the resistance of long skinny wires that we need to wind lots and lots of turns. How about we stick with thick heavy wire, get as many turns as possible, crank the amperage up as high as we can, lower the voltage to nearly nothing and call it good. If we do this our power (V x A) will stay pretty low, our amp-turns will be reasonable and our magnetic force will be usable. And as a bonus with only a handful of turns, our inductance is low, so our speed to magnetize (or form a dipole) is fast.
On the output we want all the power (V x A) we can get. We need turns to get EMF (voltage), we need ampacity (thin wires and lots of them in parallel), so we really need space. Let's put these windings on the outermost circumference of the device and feed the magnetic field across these wires as optimally as possible so we don't suffer losses in the magnetic core which is our guides for this force.
The last thing we need is to deal with the back EMF. We cannot allow this BEMF to weaken the magnetic force we produce. Here I have to speculate a possible strategy because it is unknown to me how the HES device actually does it. My thinking is this:
The inductance of the output windings are far greater than the inductance of our input windings, so if we switch fast enough, the output coils will produce the EMF we intend, but the magnetic Lenz force (BEMF) they create will no longer matter because we have already altered the position of the magnetic field. So the output windings indeed push back, but they don't push back in a position that weakens our input coils. And that's my theory. UFOpolitics says I'm wrong and that's fine. I was never ordained to save the world, only to participate in it.
Anyway, have I expressed a gain function with such a device? Potentially is all. You already pushed such a device through your CAE software and those conclusions got you to this point. For me it would be nice to have Chet put me in contact with one of these "happy customers" so I could sign a NDA and tour this fancy power facility. Of course if I do that, I'll know exactly how an HES performs and never be able to speak of it ever again, let alone show anyone pictures. Welcome to the suck.
Hi Dog-One,
Excellent post IMHO! Good points and insight. A little short on the logical technical progression, but a good dissertation non the less.
BTW - I'm not Fan Boy for HES and I do stay away from NDA's. Been there, done that. But, I do promote "Excess Energy" R&D.
Thanks for biting! This is the exact thing we need right now.
UFOpolitics experience and intuative knowledge is very insightfull, backed up, for the most part, with experimental data.
And yes, HES might well be a motor-generator set, but it does reduce energy consumption - as they, and FPL, have demonstrated.
Holcomb's propaganda photos don't reveal any type of genset but these are just photos from inside the lab of their device.
I agree, there may be something wholey missing - or maybe it's right in front of us - that's what we are looking into. The LinGen
appears to be "what it is" so there's a lot to work with, at least.
BEMF is a function of motor operation so we won't worry about that for now; and magnetic drag has been solved (no rotating stator).
The inductance of the coils is key, as it is with every device of this type, so it appears; at least from some detailed simulations.
As far as the gain function - primary school physics - B-H Curve stuff. - soft magnetic materials provide a gain in "B."
Call Dr. Holcomb and set up a visit, many have already been through the lab and no NDA required.
Thanks agian for your response - sincerely, it's appreciated.
Regards,
SL
I like you!!!!!
You say - "Excess energy", but what makes you think that this is not used in a conventional synchronous mechanical generator?
The usual mathematical calculation of the ratio: excitation power to the output power of the generator phase, does not alarm you?
Or do you really believe that mechanical power (Pk=Fv) is converted into electrical (Pe=IU).
Motor generator sets, MGs, are bidirectional, in regards to input output. Unless a one-way clutch is used to couple the shafts, a mechanical diode sotospeak. The typical MG set found in so many places may not be easily functional by simply reversing input output connections. That is due to application specifics, not underlying principles.
Many MGs are made using but a single rotor stator set.
The relative motion rotor to stator is what differentiates a generator from a transformer.
Also notice in SL's second tutorial video a few posts back, at time mark ~3:50, shows and states the motor is a generator when spinning. This is fundamental. Motors and generators are the same, when there is motion. When there is no motion, it is a transformer, or just an electromagnet.
bi
ps. Wishing for a better new year for all. The past few have been rough on many of us.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 09:32:21 AM
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Or do you really believe that mechanical power (Pk=Fv) is converted into electrical (Pe=IU).
Do you not believe Lorentz?
Quote from: bistander on January 01, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Do you not believe Lorentz?
If you can prove the work of the Lorentz force in the stator slot!I generally doubt the existence of the Lorentz force, which can be measured in newtons.
The Lorentz force can be derived with great difficulty on the simplest generator for the frame.
The Lorentz force does not act on the EMF in the conductor, which is determined by the change in the magnetic flux.
In the stator slot, as well as in the transformer window, there is no magnetic flux at all, which the conductor can cross with its magnetic lines.
What can be the Lorentz force in the absence of physical contact of the magnetic field with the conductor?
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor%E2%80%93generator
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.
So that's where 746 (V x A) watts equates to 1 horsepower. And physics doesn't actually explain how it happens--it just appears to work this way with our current/conventional state of the art.
Very interesting and confirms a suspicion I've had for quite some time. And if true, there is likely a mechanical geometry that can be employed where a motor can consume 746 watts of power and produce more than 1 horsepower of rotational power. Conversely, some other geometry may be employed that takes 1 horsepower of rotational power and produces more than 746 watts of electrical power. Couple those two devices together (dynamotor) and you have a self runner with a bit of excess power to use as you desire. I'm all for that. Where do we start? What are these geometries central to making this happen?
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
If you can prove the work of the Lorentz force in the stator slot!
I generally doubt the existence of the Lorentz force, which can be measured in newtons.
The Lorentz force can be derived with great difficulty on the simplest generator for the frame.
The Lorentz force does not act on the EMF in the conductor, which is determined by the change in the magnetic flux.
In the stator slot, as well as in the transformer window, there is no magnetic flux at all, which the conductor can cross with its magnetic lines.
What can be the Lorentz force in the absence of physical contact of the magnetic field with the conductor?
One very respected representative of science from the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, in our dispute with him on this topic, generally stated that what I mean refers to engineering physics and is not explained by traditional physical concepts. For the calculation, the fact of the action is used, which is empirically derived into engineering formulas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor%E2%80%93generator
Hi rakarskiy,
I will not attempt such proof here, but suggest study Biot-Savart Law and Ampere's Circuit Law.
Your groove, or slot in domestic terminology, is just a distortion in the air gap.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
In the stator slot, as well as in the transformer window, there is no magnetic flux at all, which the conductor can cross with its magnetic lines.
Hmm... An interesting observation.
Let's then generally throw out the iron cores from everywhere.
Once upon a time I tried to cover the entire winding with homemade glue from crushed ferrite and epoxy.
So that there are no air gaps at all between the ferrite core and the wire.
It seemed to be better. :)
Quote from: bistander on January 01, 2023, 12:09:24 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
I will not attempt such proof here, but suggest study Biot-Savart Law and Ampere's Circuit Law.
Your groove, or slot in domestic terminology, is just a distortion in the air gap.
bi
I also thought, the more the magnetic induction parameter is accepted by the value in the gap, only in the gap of the magnetic circuit, and not the groove.
Everything turned out to be more prosaic.
In any case, there is no magnetic flux in the slot from the excitation circuit.
I have already said enough to think about what is really wrong, what is drawn about it in textbooks.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
I also thought, the more the magnetic induction parameter is accepted by the value in the gap, only in the gap of the magnetic circuit, and not the groove.
Everything turned out to be more prosaic.
In any case, there is no magnetic flux in the slot from the excitation circuit.
I have already said enough to think about what is really wrong, what is drawn about it in textbooks.
Hi rakarskiy,
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/hs-physics/x215e29cb31244fa1:types-of-interactions/x215e29cb31244fa1:electric-and-magnetic-fields/a/electric-and-magnetic-fields
I attached an image lifted from the above website. Not a proof, but consider this. The current in the conductor results in the magnetic field indicated by concentric circles and
B vectors. The current is moving charges. The process is reversible. A moving or changing magnetic field around the conductor will cause force on the charges in the conductor. If the conductor has a complete conductive circuit, current results. The magnetic flux lines need not touch or cut the conductor. Similarly the flux lines need not touch or cut the conductor in the groove.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 01, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
I also thought, the more the magnetic induction parameter is accepted by the value in the gap, only in the gap of the magnetic circuit, and not the groove.
Everything turned out to be more prosaic.
In any case, there is no magnetic flux in the slot from the excitation circuit.
I have already said enough to think about what is really wrong, what is drawn about it in textbooks.
This might help - or not!
24a. has the N1 Coil in the upper right. 24a. stator Lap slots are the lower section.
25a. has the N1 Coil in the lower right. 25a. stator Lap slots are the upper section.
Only the one rotor coil's Magnetic Flux Density is shown for clairity.
These are interactive representations so they are hard to show in static 2D.
SL
Same as above except the Coil Current Direction is Reversed (ccw - was cw).
With just observing the plots it appears this one doesn't penetrate the adjacent
Stator Slots... just a quick observation however, at this point. No analysis...
Maybe examine off-setting the Stator and Rotor Pole pieces???
The Stator/Rotor Gap is quite large at 0.10" (2.54mm). These are from the original WAG LinGen
so as to keep things consistant.
Thanks for sharing the diagrams SL. What was the current density in the coil?
bi
Good evening.
Some work this weekend.
Not sure where this will take me, but even though my wife is mad because I didn't go anywhere, I had some fun.
The first video shows the pulses in low frequency and the second in "high" frequency.
No output coils yet.
https://youtu.be/piGckNtB8Cw
https://youtu.be/4M5Fe_Fjtg0
Quote from: bistander on January 01, 2023, 10:23:46 PM
Thanks for sharing the diagrams SL. What was the current density in the coil?
bi
1 Amp, 300 Turns, Only 1 Coil is used here (N1) with GO-35ZH135 core. Arbitrary.
Magnetostatic: <1min CPU time for minor updates and changes.
There's no limit to the number of combinations and configurations that can be tried in CAE.
This a major advantage in developing a device, plus you can test using actual non-linear B-H Curves.
Ariovaldo - :)
SL
So, as I sit here sipping a few pints of pain killer - or as you Brits would say
"eating the hair off the dog that bit you!" :P {?} and playing on this Laptop.
Question: What depth in the Stator Slot would I set my Lap Coil at?
Again, using the WAG (Wild Ass Guess) LinGen for contenuity (sic); the three
plots below help to can give a "Ball Park" estimate.
The MD_Plane_-18mm is well below the Rotor and Coil to give some prospective.
The MD_Plane_0mm is at the center line between Rotor and Stator slabs.
And, the MD_Plane_4.5mm shows the Magnetic Flux Density and lots of little
black arrow flux lines at 4.5mm into the Statpr Slab Slot from the center line
(1mm space). No big thing but hopefully you get the idea... Recovering is fun!
Notice how the plot base line moved up, showing the MDF in the slot.
SL
BTW - pc is percent, e.g. pc40 is gif is reduced to 40%
Three more just to round out the 4.5mm selection.
One at 3mm, one at 4mm and one at 5.5mm.
Quote from: ariovaldo on January 01, 2023, 10:34:26 PM
Good evening.
Some work this weekend.
Not sure where this will take me, but even though my wife is mad because I didn't go anywhere, I had some fun.
The first video shows the pulses in low frequency and the second in "high" frequency.
No output coils yet.
https://youtu.be/piGckNtB8Cw (https://youtu.be/piGckNtB8Cw)
https://youtu.be/4M5Fe_Fjtg0 (https://youtu.be/4M5Fe_Fjtg0)
Nice work mate. My wife is also mad :)
Looking through the DNV report and photos of the demonstration setup for the so called DC switched system, I note the three static inverters in the same rack.
The DNV report does not give precise details of the system that was tested. I suggest that in this later iteration (see attached png), the rotor is driven by the three static inverter outputs. The model of inverter used has DC inputs so a battery storage system could be used.
I would also suggest the rotor in this system is conventionally wound as a three phase motor i.e travelling MMF and is not a 16 salient pole type.
Holcombs wife says in one of the video's that her husband applies for a patent when he has an idea before he builds it. This approach is likely to have a lot of fails don't you think?
The DC switched system as described in his single U.S. patent (and WIPO patent applications), will have huge IR losses, whereas use of a three static inverters to produce three phase AC, will at least have some efficiency when energising a conventional motor wound rotor, (see figure 48 in WIPO WO2021063522A1)
Also the statement out of the company refering to all their current systems are using AC, supports this idea... From this I would extrapolate that he patented the idea of a DC switched i.e. sequenced 16 salient pole system, then when he built it, discovered it did not yield the results he hoped for, compared with the AC system.
One other point I would make, is that a DC switched, sequenced 16 salient pole rotor resultant stator phase sine, is distorted and full of harmonics, less so if you just rotate 3 ON salient poles but nowhere as clean as the AC sine rotor system.
L192
https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0 (https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0)
https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0 (https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0)
This video a bit better.
It is better to put a CRT in a stator only its screen, where there is no metal inside the CRT.
One note, in the middle of the CRT shows much less field than near the stator iron. :)
p.s. corrected
Quote from: kolbacict on January 03, 2023, 09:59:41 AM
https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0 (https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0)
This video a bit better.
It is better to put a CRT in a stator only its screen, where there is no metal inside the CRT.
One note, in the middle of the CRT shows much less field than near the stator iron. :)
I'd like to view it, but it says it is private and does not play. Can you fix that?
Thanks,
bi
{edit} thanks for the fix. Really cool. Good job.
From the HES facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
"Top 5 2022 Achievements"
"Successfully Tested 100KW HES Stand-Alone Unit by running a 1200 sq ft
building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"
Quote from: SolarLab on January 03, 2023, 02:43:45 PM
From the HES facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
"Top 5 2022 Achievements"
"Successfully Tested 100KW HES Stand-Alone Unit by running a 1200 sq ft
building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"
1200 sq ft.... thats their own facility!
What about sales to actual customers?
L192
Are you sure that there is magnetic induction in the groove that crosses the phase wires?
I totally agree with modulation.
Drawing analysis from my book, in practice nothing was found in the groove.
PS
To get a magnetic field around a conductor in a groove, first you need to get an EMF on this conductor.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 04, 2023, 04:39:19 AM
Are you sure that there is magnetic induction in the groove that crosses the phase wires?
I totally agree with modulation.
Drawing analysis from my book, in practice nothing was found in the groove.
PS
To get a magnetic field around a conductor in a groove, first you need to get an EMF on this conductor.
Hi rakarskiy,
Answer to question is here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572919/#msg572919
Regarding PS, per Faraday's Law, simply vary the magnetic field.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 04, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
Answer to question is here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572919/#msg572919
Regarding PS, per Faraday's Law, simply vary the magnetic field.
bi
I don't mind changing the magnetic field.
How to do it, throughout the turnover of the change (2pi).
How to lay and calculate the phase wires in the groove so that there is an appropriate EMF and current when the load is connected: active, reactive, capacitive.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 04, 2023, 10:07:44 AM
I don't mind changing the magnetic field.
How to do it, throughout the turnover of the change (2pi).
How to lay and calculate the phase wires in the groove so that there is an appropriate EMF and current when the load is connected: active, reactive, capacitive.
Hi rakarskiy,
Vary current in the primary or displace the magnetic field.
Then apply Maxwell's equations.
bi
Moved all LinGen and other development over to the new Website
- beta testing and security checks -
Should be public - invite - soon.
Good luck with your other Excess Energy projects!
SL
.
Quote from: bistander on January 04, 2023, 11:47:05 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
Vary current in the primary or displace the magnetic field.
Then apply Maxwell's equations.
bi
The current in the primary (excitation electromagnet), and it is not a fact that when excited you will receive the corresponding EMF in phase.
I know what offset and demagnetization are, this is desynchronization.
We must first obtain a fully synchronous electromagnetic machine.
Therefore, the issue of obtaining EMF in the phase winding from the primary excitation is not solved, remains inexplicable.
Something like that! Sincerely!
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 04, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
The current in the primary (excitation electromagnet), and it is not a fact that when excited you will receive the corresponding EMF in phase.
I know what offset and demagnetization are, this is desynchronization.
We must first obtain a fully synchronous electromagnetic machine.
Therefore, the issue of obtaining EMF in the phase winding from the primary excitation is not solved, remains inexplicable.
Something like that! Sincerely!
Hi rakarskiy,
Motor and generator designers are able to accomplish the task all the time using the theories, laws and principles which I have referenced. Perhaps the difficulty is with you, not the technology or knowledge base, or perhaps it is just a communication breakdown and I fail to realize what you are talking about. Does seen odd that you're writing a book about something that you claim you can not do. But I think you are among us that practice free speech, so good luck.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on January 04, 2023, 02:07:44 PM
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/story-behind-the-2017-hes-prototype/933562224716840/
Hi SL,
Please provide a link or pathway to the website which doesn't require membership in faceclub.
Thanks.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 04, 2023, 05:17:35 PM
Hi SL,
Please provide a link or pathway to the website which doesn't require membership in faceclub.
Thanks.
bi
Link posted by mistake - disregard. Sorry. :(
SL
Quote from: bistander on January 04, 2023, 05:08:40 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
Motor and generator designers are able to accomplish the task all the time using the theories, laws and principles which I have referenced. Perhaps the difficulty is with you, not the technology or knowledge base, or perhaps it is just a communication breakdown and I fail to realize what you are talking about. Does seen odd that you're writing a book about something that you claim you can not do. But I think you are among us that practice free speech, so good luck.
bi
I'm talking about this slide, which explains the induction of EMF in the generator phase:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572484/#msg572484
All this is remarkable for a conductor in a magnetic flux, where the lines of force intersect (have physical contact) the surface of the conductor, in which the EMF is induced.
The strength of the current is a different process, which is already calculated according to Ohm's Law. Or your electricity is not divided into voltage and current.
There is no magnetic field from the core in the generator slot, the magnetic flux is all inside. If you apply voltage and current to the generator windings, it will induce a magnetic field in the core, but on the contrary, this does not work on the slide in question.
But I have already gotten to the bottom of why oscillations and a shift between the fields from excitation and phase are needed.
;)
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 05, 2023, 07:18:23 AM
I'm talking about this slide, which explains the induction of EMF in the generator phase:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572484/#msg572484
All this is remarkable for a conductor in a magnetic flux, where the lines of force intersect (have physical contact) the surface of the conductor, in which the EMF is induced.
The strength of the current is a different process, which is already calculated according to Ohm's Law. Or your electricity is not divided into voltage and current.
There is no magnetic field from the core in the generator slot, the magnetic flux is all inside. If you apply voltage and current to the generator windings, it will induce a magnetic field in the core, but on the contrary, this does not work on the slide in question.
But I have already gotten to the bottom of why oscillations and a shift between the fields from excitation and phase are needed.
;)
Hi rakarskiy,
Is your referenced slide correct? See image below from:
https://tinyurl.com/3cj4f7bp
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 05, 2023, 11:49:36 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
Is your referenced slide correct? See image below from:
https://tinyurl.com/3cj4f7bp
bi
I mean this slide:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188837/image//
Very interesting article!
But many of the provisions that are set out here cannot be confirmed by a description and a detailed mechanism for the relationship of the sequence of actions.
If we consider the complete circuit of electrical oscillation (voltage / current), for example between inductance and capacitance, then there is no phase shift of voltage and current. I established this a long time ago (even proved it on the fingers of some doubters).
If in a transformer (in a traditional one), when the windings are wound one on top of the other, the transfer occurs by the method of interturn mutual induction, if on different rods - by the Faraday induction method. By the way, how does this happen until the mechanism is established (Faraday induction).
This is a very interesting and big topic, I will present my vision in the book. To confirm, I will conduct a series of simple experiments so that everyone can repeat.
By the way, I already have a long history of how a transformer works and how EMF is induced and current is generated.
The fact that Voltage (vortex electric field) turns into current strength (vortex magnetic field) can be emphasized from this material of mine:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 05, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
I mean this slide:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/188837/image//
...
Yes, I know. Do you see the difference?
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 05, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
...
The fact that Voltage (vortex electric field) turns into current strength (vortex magnetic field) can be emphasized from this material of mine:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/ampere-force.html
Hi rakarskiy,
I do not believe in your vortex theory for
B and
E.
Also, you offer no satisfying response for your contradiction of Ohm's Law.
P = I
2R = 1.3A
2*3ohms = 5.07 watts.
not 13.5W as you show from V*I.
bi
Believe it or not, it's entirely up to you. The second why try to calculate the power in all three ways and you will be surprised: the voltage at the generator terminals is 10.4V; Current in the circuit 1.3A; Loop resistance 1+3=4ohm.
By the way, how much power will be dissipated in the resistor? - with these indicators.
Well, I started to worry about you.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 06, 2023, 01:05:06 AM
Believe it or not, it's entirely up to you. The second why try to calculate the power in all three ways and you will be surprised: the voltage at the generator terminals is 10.4V; Current in the circuit 1.3A; Loop resistance 1+3=4ohm.
By the way, how much power will be dissipated in the resistor? - with these indicators.
Well, I started to worry about you.
Hi rakarskiy,
You say "Current in the circuit 1.3A; Loop resistance 1+3=4ohm." Implying that the current sense resistor (meter shunt) is 1.0 ohm. So then I
2R = 1.3A
2*4ohms = 6.76W. Still does not satisfy circuit equations. Besides who uses current instrument shunt of that high resistance? Typical would be on order of 5 milliohms. The common analog ammeter typically has full scale deflection of 50, 75, or 100 millivolts. When the power in the circuit branch yields different values using using I
2R, I*V, or V
2/R, there is mistake.
bi
You have not made a full calculation! Loop resistance R=3Ω (load); r0=1Ω (source resistance, generator winding).
You did not make calculations from the table, for all options, I will do it for you:
1) P=I*U= 10.4*1.3= 13.52W
2) P=I^2*R = 1.3^2*3= 5.07W (This is what will be released on the resistor in the form of heat.)
3) P=U^2/R =10.4^2/3=36W
Now we will bring to the truth 3 formula:
P=U^2/(R+r0) =10.4^2/(3+1)=27W
P=1/2(U^2/(R+r0)) =0,5*(10.4^2/(3+1))=13.5W
The voltage in the circuit, taking into account the drop with the load (You need to know this to calculate the current in the circuit, more precisely, what part of the electric field will go into current strength):
U =E-(Ui=I*(R+r0)
I = (E - U) / (R+r0)
But why is that? You do not know?
Then, what is the difference between the generator sources with an inductive winding and the battery, and what is the external EMF for calculating the current in the circuit with the battery source.
You surprised me a lot, I'm already very worried about you.
Although there are no such trifles in general educational materials:
https://drb-m.org/eb1/4-Ohm's%20Law,%20Power,%20and%20Energy.pdf
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 06, 2023, 02:44:02 AM
You have not made a full calculation! Loop resistance R=3Ω (load); r0=1Ω (source resistance, generator winding).
You did not make calculations from the table, for all options, I will do it for you:
1) P=I*U= 10.4*1.3= 13.52W
2) P=I^2*R = 1.3^2*3= 5.07W (This is what will be released on the resistor in the form of heat.)
3) P=U^2/R =10.4^2/3=36W
Now we will bring to the truth 3 formula:
P=U^2/(R+r0) =10.4^2/(3+1)=27W
P=1/2(U^2/(R+r0)) =0,5*(10.4^2/(3+1))=13.5W
The voltage in the circuit, taking into account the drop with the load (You need to know this to calculate the current in the circuit, more precisely, what part of the electric field will go into current strength):
U =E-(Ui=I*(R+r0)
I = (E - U) / (R+r0)
But why is that? You do not know?
Then, what is the difference between the generator sources with an inductive winding and the battery, and what is the external EMF for calculating the current in the circuit with the battery source.
You surprised me a lot, I'm already very worried about you.
Although there are no such trifles in general educational materials:
https://drb-m.org/eb1/4-Ohm's%20Law,%20Power,%20and%20Energy.pdf
Hi rakarskiy,
You must have your own unique interpretation of Kirchhoff's laws.
Also, you say:
Quote1) P=I*U= 10.4*1.3= 13.52W
2) P=I^2*R = 1.3^2*3= 5.07W (This is what will be released on the resistor in the form of heat.)
3) P=U^2/R =10.4^2/3=36W
1), 2) & 3) must all be numerically equal. There is only one power at the generator terminals.
And the these two equations, seemingly both for the same power:
QuoteP=U^2/(R+r0) =10.4^2/(3+1)=27W
P=1/2(U^2/(R+r0)) =0,5*(10.4^2/(3+1))=13.5W
Where did the
1/2 factor come from?
Obviously we speak different languages. Good luck.
bi
Have you noticed what is really happening inside the stator near the iron pole pieces?
This is when the stator is powered by a three-phase current from the frequency converter, in my case.
I think Holcomb's commutator is also something similar.
What does the electron beam show, because, unlike a squirrel-cage rotor, it has no inertia.
How the beam is smeared, how much dirt, higher harmonics, intermodulations and other things are there, you, the specialists, know better. But these are our losses. I think this should be gotten rid of.
When used as a conventional induction motor, the rotor converts it quite efficiently into mechanical rotation.For rotor this harmonics don't big mentions.But I do not know how it will show itself in our case. If not for the beam, we would never know what is happening in reality.
We think that everything is smooth and smooth there.
Quote from: bistander on January 06, 2023, 04:47:16 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
You must have your own unique interpretation of Kirchhoff's laws.
Also, you say:
1), 2) & 3) must all be numerically equal. There is only one power at the generator terminals.
And the these two equations, seemingly both for the same power:
Where did the 1/2 factor come from?
Obviously we speak different languages. Good luck.
bi
Why did you decide that these values should be equal? They are equal for the ideal state of the "section of the chain"!
You see, they are taken from a real chain, for a certain moment. The moment is not ideal for the simplest circuit with a generator as a source.
As for the power and Kirchhoff's laws, where you saw their application in this version, we have one source with its own internal resistance, and one load with its own resistance.
Coefficient of adjustment by experience, engineering physics, it is real (in fact), not virtual ***.
Take it, go to any site where wind turbines are independently calculated and made and you will see what and how is calculated.
I remind you there is Ohm's Law for a section of a circuit and for a complete circuit. Like the current formula for a complete circuit, virtual (basic) and real.
That's why you have such "misunderstandings".
I = U / R
I = E / (R+r)
I = (E - U) / (R+r)
;)
*** By the way, the total current should be I = U / R = U / (R + r0) = 10.4 / 4 = 2.6A.
But in fact: I = 1.3A. Ratio: 2.6/1.3 = 2 or 1.3/2.6 = 0.5
So you can derive the coefficient for the AC torque (otherwise the reactive is not taken into account in our calculations)
I see it didn't bother you that Ohm's law is for direct current, but the values from the circuit are with alternating current.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 06, 2023, 05:56:24 AM
How the beam is smeared, how much dirt, higher harmonics, intermodulations and other things are there,
Because I take a magnet in my hand and rotate it quickly close to the screen.
In this case, the circle line is thin, without blurring and interference.
I can make such a video, but trust me it's true.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 06, 2023, 06:38:00 AM
Why did you decide that these values should be equal? They are equal for the ideal state of the "section of the chain"!
You see, they are taken from a real chain, for a certain moment. The moment is not ideal for the simplest circuit with a generator as a source.
As for the power and Kirchhoff's laws, where you saw their application in this version, we have one source with its own internal resistance, and one load with its own resistance.
Coefficient of adjustment by experience, engineering physics, it is real (in fact), not virtual ***.
Take it, go to any site where wind turbines are independently calculated and made and you will see what and how is calculated.
I remind you there is Ohm's Law for a section of a circuit and for a complete circuit. Like the current formula for a complete circuit, virtual (basic) and real.
That's why you have such "misunderstandings".
I = U / R
I = E / (R+r)
I = (E - U) / (R+r)
;)
*** By the way, the total current should be I = U / R = U / (R + r0) = 10.4 / 4 = 2.6A.
But in fact: I = 1.3A. Ratio: 2.6/1.3 = 2 or 1.3/2.6 = 0.5
So you can derive the coefficient for the AC torque (otherwise the reactive is not taken into account in our calculations)
I see it didn't bother you that Ohm's law is for direct current, but the values from the circuit are with alternating current.
Hi rakarskiy,
Quote*** By the way, the total current should be I = U / R = U / (R + r0) = 10.4 / 4 = 2.6A.
After all this BS, you finally see your mistake.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 06, 2023, 10:08:27 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
After all this BS, you finally see your mistake.
bi
Where did you see a mistake in me? So you calculated the total power based on the values of the resistor load in the alternating current circuit? Ok, you amuse me.
Therefore, it is necessary to determine the power in the circuit at the time of measurement according to the actual voltage and actual current.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 06, 2023, 10:28:57 AM
Where did you see a mistake in me?
...
Quote from: bistander on January 06, 2023, 10:08:27 AM
Hi rakarskiy,
Quote*** By the way, the total current should be I = U / R = U / (R + r0) = 10.4 / 4 = 2.6A.
After all this BS, you finally see your mistake.
bi
"current should be ... 2.6A" vs 1.3A on your diagram, copy attached below.
bistander, I'm seriously worried about you!
Did you really understand nothing?
You cannot understand the real indicators (taken by real devices) and the calculated ones, why are they different?
It's hard for me to understand, do you really not understand, or are you playing at misunderstandings on purpose?
:) ;)
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 06, 2023, 01:26:04 PM
bistander, I'm seriously worried about you!
Did you really understand nothing?
You cannot understand the real indicators (taken by real devices) and the calculated ones, why are they different?
It's hard for me to understand, do you really not understand, or are you playing at misunderstandings on purpose?
:) ;)
You show a circuit branch with a 10.4V source, 1.3A and 3 Ohms. How is that not a discrepancy?
Quotereal indicators (taken by real devices)
?
Put 10.4V across 3 Ohms and show me 1.3A. You need to get real.
QuoteDid you really understand nothing?
I understand electric machinery and circuit analysis and Ohm's Law very well. But I admit that I don't understand you.
Nevermind. I'm through with you. You just throw numbers into any equations, use bad math and post falsehoods all over the place.
bi
Now it is clear! Good luck in your service to the master!
Unlike employees, I am absolutely free and do my job.
Rich would have been surprised to have been told that he had read the instruments incorrectly.
By the way, the material is based on real experiments by two independent testers who understand and make devices on their own.
Quote from: bistander on January 06, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
You show a circuit branch with a 10.4V source, 1.3A and 3 Ohms. How is that not a discrepancy?
?
Put 10.4V across 3 Ohms and show me 1.3A. You need to get real.
Hello Bistander,
Sorry to get involved here...but I would like some further explanations as understanding.
I have run a Coil with Two(2) Ohms at 12 Volts and have read over 2.0 Amps...on Pulsed and straight DC.
Doesn't it also depends on the Wire Gauge used, plus the number of turns?I have also ran 36 plus volts on a Coil of 1 ohm, and have over two(2) and 3 Amps...
None of those values above "make up" for the Ohm Law Formula?
Also, isn't the Ohm Law applicable only to straight (not pulsed) DC Circuits?
On AC, does Ohm Law works as well?
Thanks in advance for your answer(s)
Ufopolitics
What I have learned with my Choke Experimentation is that inductors "induct" back into themselves with every turn. Even without a rotor- the quicker you pulse a coil, the more back-EMF it sends from itself.
The quicker you change flux fields in an inductor, the more back EMF it sends. Hence why driving amperage goes way down as you pulse quicker. So it's a catch 22. Pulse too quick and you can't push decent amperage through the coil anymore so the very act of creating that Back EMF diminishes because the coil itself needs amperage to induct and create Back-EMF.
The formula not only depends on number of turns and wire gauge, but also frequency and how much of the flux you allow to escape. Enclose that coil in a full core so no flux escapes, and back EMF goes to almost 100% and driving amperage goes to practically nothing.
Ohm's law can not be used alone on an inductor with switching polarities. I do not know the exact formula, but I know for 100% certain if I send AC into an air coil, I can read higher voltage and amperage on the air coil than I am sending in. Add an enclosed core, and with the use of diodes or tiracs, that back EMF becomes able to be separated and used on loads.
Measuring from source + terminal to ground, you may be sending in 10 volts. Separate + source terminal and the inductor with a diode or triac, and if you tune it right, you can get more than +20 V from the circuit side of the diode to ground. More than 2X terminal voltage. And this voltage is real. You can run loads backwards to hot terminal.
Another experiment. Power up your pulse motor. Lock the amperage but let the voltage run as it wishes.. When your motor is up to speed, it will start wanting to use less amps. At that time, watch your voltage.. You will see your supply's voltage start to climb ever higher. Some correlate this to more resistance, and I guess that statement is true, but it is incomplete. Back EMF is "resistance" per-se but the dynamics of wha'ts happening is a little different (and much more interesting) than what adding a resistor does.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 06, 2023, 06:19:41 PM
Hello Bistander,
Sorry to get involved here...but I would like some further explanations as understanding.
I have run a Coil with Two(2) Ohms at 12 Volts and have read over 2.0 Amps...on Pulsed and straight DC.
Doesn't it also depends on the Wire Gauge used, plus the number of turns?
I have also ran 36 plus volts on a Coil of 1 ohm, and have over two(2) and 3 Amps...
None of those values above "make up" for the Ohm Law Formula?
Also, isn't the Ohm Law applicable only to straight (not pulsed) DC Circuits?
On AC, does Ohm Law works as well?
Thanks in advance for your answer(s)
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Kirchhoff's circuit laws and Ohm's laws apply. Let's see if this pdf will attach.
You will encounter problems when frequency gets high or waveforms deviate far from sinusoid.
I'll also attach a graphic from:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/acohml.html
Hope that helps.
bi
For alternating currents (AC), capacitors and coils are non-ohmic conductors.
non-ohmic conductors do not follow ohms law
Quote from: floodrod on January 07, 2023, 12:23:39 AM
For alternating currents (AC), capacitors and coils are non-ohmic conductors.
non-ohmic conductors do not follow ohms law
Hi floodrod,
I believe that you refer to impedance in the circuit. The pdf and graphic which I attached in recent reply to Ufo explains this. At lower frequencies and sinusoid waveform, Ohm's Law and Kirchhoff's rules apply using Z in place of R and phasors for V and I. Also PF, power factor is relevant. The math becomes complex, but circuit analysis follows the same principles.
bi
First, there is no phase shift between current and voltage in the circuit. We take a simple program and see what happens in the usual oscillatory circuit Resistor-Coil-Capacitor.
If a shift exists, it should be on the entire section of the contour on all elements. But it has an interesting picture on the resistor, it is not there, and in the sections of the coil and capacitor, the type of graph corresponds to the current-voltage charge / discharge characteristic for this element. (illustration attachment and link for those interested)
As you can see, there are no current and voltage offsets on the resistor.
Inside the circuit, two graphs on opposite sides of the resistor, this is what we see on the oscillograms and takes it for what we see.
https://tinyurl.com/2f973jxy
Secondly, the primary impulse to the coil will not experience any reactance, since there is still no magnetic field in the coil core and the magnetic permeability of the core material is maximum. As soon as the field appears, the swing will begin. This is explained just by the interaction of the fields of the vortex conductor (and I argue that this is the strength of the current), and the magnetic field of the core. The second reactivity factor is the interturn interaction of currents. A magnetic field is inert (slower) than an electric field. But for the dimension of rotation 90* - 180* - 270* it is impossible to notice this.
Thirdly, for variable oscillation frequencies, the reactance is additionally based on the skin effect in the conductor, also described in the literature. The skin effect just confirms the vortex structure of the electric and magnetic fields around the conductor.
All pleasant discoveries, I left to finish my work.
I conducted an interesting experiment, which is closer to confirming my theory, about the causes of the occurrence of EMF in the generator stator slot, as well as in the transformer window itself. Thus, I will add something that is not in Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction - a step-by-step mechanism. Something that has not yet been found, but because of the "oblique hastily carried out."
Along the way, I conducted an experiment to work out the pulse excitation system of my generator, with a recuperative system. The results are on the slide.
A coil wound on a 2.37mH 0.9 ohm ring core is pulsed through a half-bridge, the reverse pulse is sent back to the capacitor to start the next pulse.
From the source 0.5A, (in the pulse 1A, due to the duty cycle of the pulses 50%)
At the peak of the pulse on the coil 2.37-2.5A.
Quote from: bistander on January 07, 2023, 01:11:50 AM
Hi floodrod,
I believe that you refer to impedance in the circuit. The pdf and graphic which I attached in recent reply to Ufo explains this. At lower frequencies and sinusoid waveform, Ohm's Law and Kirchhoff's rules apply using Z in place of R and phasors for V and I. Also PF, power factor is relevant. The math becomes complex, but circuit analysis follows the same principles.
bi
Cool... I can't argue that. My point was wattage a coil will pull powered with AC can not be solved with the standard V/I/R formulas alone. If a coil measures 8 Ohms and I send 8V AC into it, amperage will not always be 1 amp. It depends how much back EMF the coil itself is producing that impedes the incoming power.
My belief is the math and formulas are predictions what will happen in a given setup. I am much less interested in the formulas than actually understanding the forces at play and the chain of reactions (and why).. I know the formulas are accurate, but if I want to break the laws, I have to figure out what exactly is happening in that coil step by step then attempt to manipulate the chain of events to produce a different outcome.
Anyway, thanks for the graphic and explaination.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 06, 2023, 05:56:24 AM
Have you noticed what is really happening inside the stator near the iron pole pieces?
This is when the stator is powered by a three-phase current from the frequency converter, in my case.
I think Holcomb's commutator is also something similar.
What does the electron beam show, because, unlike a squirrel-cage rotor, it has no inertia.
How the beam is smeared, how much dirt, higher harmonics, intermodulations and other things are there, you, the specialists, know better. But these are our losses. I think this should be gotten rid of.
When used as a conventional induction motor, the rotor converts it quite efficiently into mechanical rotation.For rotor this harmonics don't big mentions.But I do not know how it will show itself in our case. If not for the beam, we would never know what is happening in reality.
We think that everything is smooth and smooth there.
Hello Kolbacict,
I really enjoyed what you did with the CRT Tube inside AC Stator on your previous test video!!
I have been looking for a while for a long tube CRT like the one you have there, it is a very clear explanation of what is going on inside empty stator air housing for rotor (or for a static rotor, to be used as Output)...however, all that noise, dirt, higher harmonics, etc,etc...are there because there is no Rotor inside with a Field to interact with Stator.
Once there is a Rotor inside the Stator, plus, there is also a secondary field induced or excited on, then all flux lines up, aligns and becomes smoother and cleaner.
I have done a similar test with the Alternator Stator pulsed by the 3 FET's circuit, while readiong it on a 4 channel scope...and whenever I do not apply the rotor power the magnetic field, the 3 sines are very dirty, with also higher harmonics, exactly as you have written.
But there is a Test, that I would like you to do, since you got everything there...as I never was able to get such type of CRT long tube.So, please, wrap a coil of wire around the glass tube,
basically where the e-beam is rotating on the outer edge of glass, and since this coil would be set horizontally related to Stator Coils, it should NOT Induce any currents. So the Stator will only serve to rotate the e-beam.
Set tube and coil inside stator,
then take a reading of the coil you wrapped around CRT Tube, while applying your 3 phase from inverter to Stator.
Please let Us know what is your reading, plus if you could measure it as well, or even better, see it on a scope.
This Coil output should be energized just by the e-beam rotation around glass tube, and it should not be a lot of power...since this is not the "perfect" setup...but it should show an energy output.
Thanks
Ufopolitics
Quote from: kolbacict on January 03, 2023, 09:59:41 AM
https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0 (https://youtu.be/OGkvfH44dr0)
It is better to put a CRT in a stator only its screen, where there is no metal inside the CRT.
One note, in the middle of the CRT shows much less field than near the stator iron. :)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 07, 2023, 09:55:42 AM
basically where the e-beam is rotating
??? ??? ??? ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZ-mak4h4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZ-mak4h4s)
____________________________________________________________________
this addition, is just for ... a general curiosity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrGHeuxUvIWesley
By the way, you didn't think that in the Holcomb generator, as well as in the synchronous mechanical electric generator, the core where the wires are laid in the groove is in the maximum saturation mode. It is not a variable field that rotates, but a constant one.
This is another tip that for some reason no one paid attention to.
YES - Excess Energy can, and HAS ALREADY, been achieved!
Holcomb Energy Systems Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems
Two Notable Videos:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal
At 1:12 ([STM32x] Controller and MOSFETs?). At 1:33 & 1:54 "LinGen."
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296
#1 at 0:33 - "Successfully tested the 100 KW HES STAND-ALONE unit by running a 1200 sq ft building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"
Probably the "first" Varified and Easily Replicatable System to appear in any of the "so called" FE or OU Forums!
Is there a link to those videos for people not belonging to the face club? Why not just them on the Holcomb website?
bi
You do not need to be a "facebook" member - the first link is
Holcomb's facebook page - both videos are featured there as well as in the Videos section.
They will likely be up on the Holcomb (HES) web page soon, as well.
If you're having trouble it might be another issue - maybe try a VPN.
EDIT: Checked HES web page - Videos are not on the webpage yet.
Anyway - the point is not really the Holcomb Videos.
It's the fact that this system is the first varified "Excess Energy Device"
to the best of my knowledge; that has appeared over the long history
of FE / OU Forums (been watching and participating in the forums for
over 15 years) and have never seen anything that actually was replicatable,
never mind very easy to fabricate, and worked in a stable, usable fashion.
The Ruslan/Kapanadze et. al. device was shown to work in a lab build-up but still
to this day, has a big stability problem (maybe soon this will be addressed, when/if
time permits).
For now, the LinGen is easy to understand and build; plus, with the right material,
a very usable excess energy is achievable - stacking several LinGens can also increase
output but this is still a work in progress.
Looking forward to some more new configurations, and maybe different, schemes that
feature excess energy output from other members here, and elsewhere!
But at least we now have that "Breakthrough" which has been long sought after...
Thanks SL,
So I looked up VPN. Downloaded a free version. Facebook still blocks videos. So I zapped the free VPN.
Can you point to a successful functioning HEC device replication?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 08, 2023, 06:18:35 PM
Thanks SL,
So I looked up VPN. Downloaded a free version. Facebook still blocks videos. So I zapped the free VPN.
Can you point to a successful functioning HEC device replication?
bi
The best source is the HEC site or facebook page. There are now many replications locally, some may even
have a video up somewhere. You can always build one yourself, it's quite easy, just use some soft iron metal
to get the "magnetic gain" effect and you'll immediately see the results. Better than a video anyways.
UFOpolitics, I believe, has some videos of the concept and shows the excess energy gain - he uses a rotating
commutator rather than a Microprocessor/MOSFET setup but it's virtually the same end result.
Sorry you're blocked or whatever. Works fine here and I have nothing to do with, nor am I a member of, FB.
Looking at the "hits" it appears it's working for many others here.
Hi SL,
I search often, and have yet to see a replication. Yes, Ufo had some experiments, going back years, but never shows OU or FE, even though he mistakenly claimed it near the end of that video using a mechanical commutator. I think he meant a voltage gain. He didn't reply to my request for clarification.
Please to you, or anyone, post link to a working replication.
As for me, from what I can see, I have built and tested many. They were called synchronous and asynchronous machines, motors and generators, energized at stall. Never did I encounter anomalous energy. So until I see and understand Holcomb's gain mechanism, I will not attempt a replication. Simply referring to the iron hysteresis, which I understand well, doesn't explain energy gain.
bi
{edit} for some reason, those links now connect to video without FB login. Lot of hassle for fluff. Nothing of substance to be seen there. Thanks for the help anyway.
Quote from: bistander on January 08, 2023, 07:20:18 PM
Hi SL,
I search often, and have yet to see a replication. Yes, Ufo had some experiments, going back years, but never shows OU or FE, even though he mistakenly claimed it near the end of that video using a mechanical commutator. I think he meant a voltage gain. He didn't reply to my request for clarification.
Please to you, or anyone, post link to a working replication.
As for me, from what I can see, I have built and tested many. They were called synchronous and asynchronous machines, motors and generators, energized at stall. Never did I encounter anomalous energy. So until I see and understand Holcomb's gain mechanism, I will not attempt a replication. Simply referring to the iron hysteresis, which I understand well, doesn't explain energy gain.
bi
{edit} for some reason, those links now connect to video without FB login. Lot of hassle for fluff. Nothing of substance to be seen there. Thanks for the help anyway.
Good, glad you got the FB sorted and had a chance to view the "flluff." You appear to be quite condecending to
anyone or any thing that even remotely relates to the production of "excess energy" - so be it... No worries.
Of course there is no need for you to attempt a replication of the HES,
everything here is optional. All of what is
presented is mearly for informational and educational purposes and mostly for those that may have an interest.
Actually, a careful examination of the "iron" B-H Curve does explain the energy gain very well. A small input energy
"H" yields a very large energy "B" out. Convert the units if you find it confusing. Hysteresis is only one part of B-H
as you should know.
Anyway, you will likely want to move on to other more promising schemes in your preospective and just wait for
an HES type device to become readily available to the public.
Well, I've presented enough w.r.t. this historic "excess energy" achievement so I'll leave you to yourself. I won't add further to
this Troll Roll!
Regards and have a great week! But again, let me just repeat:
It's the fact that this system is the first varified "Excess Energy Device"
to the best of my knowledge; that has appeared over the long history
of FE / OU Forums (been watching and participating in the forums for
over 15 years) and have never seen anything that actually was replicatable,
never mind very easy to fabricate, and worked in a stable, usable fashion.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 08, 2023, 08:02:48 PM
Good, glad you got the FB sorted and had a chance to view the "flluff." You appear to be quite condecending to
anyone or any thing that even remotely relates to the production of "excess energy" - so be it... No worries.
Of course there is no need for you to attempt a replication of the HES, everything here is optional. All of what is
presented is mearly for informational and educational purposes and mostly for those that may have an interest.
Actually, a careful examination of the "iron" B-H Curve does explain the energy gain very well. A small input energy
"H" yields a very large energy "B" out. Convert the units if you find it confusing. Hysteresis is only one part of B-H
as you should know.
Anyway, you will likely want to move on to other more promising schemes in your preospective and just wait for
an HES type device to become readily available to the public.
Well, I've presented enough w.r.t. this historic "excess energy" achievement so I'll leave you to yourself. I won't add further to
this Troll Roll!
Regards and have a great week!
But again, let me just repeat:
It's the fact that this system is the first varified "Excess Energy Device"
to the best of my knowledge; that has appeared over the long history
of FE / OU Forums (been watching and participating in the forums for
over 15 years) and have never seen anything that actually was replicatable,
never mind very easy to fabricate, and worked in a stable, usable fashion.
Hi SL,
with regards to energy gain from the iron
B H curve, you're being fooled. Energy stored in the magnetic field for a given volume of space is the product of
B &
H. This energy can be stored and retrieved. In doing so, if the operating point on the
B H curve loops, the hysteresis area represents energy lost, or actually converted to heat energy doing work on the ferrous domain alignments. Magnetic permeability of ferrous material is not an energy gain function. Much the same as conductivity in metals is not a energy gain function.
Look it up.
bi
Facebook link is a no go here too
Not sure if this new vid was posted here
https://youtu.be/npgBMltzY7s (https://youtu.be/npgBMltzY7s) ( maybe in face book link ?
Respectfully
Chet K
BS - Your quote "fluf" and "hysteresis" says it all - not need for further discussion.
Ramset - works for everyone else. Try something else...
Have a good one!
THIS IS THE FIRST "EXCESS ENERGY" SCHEME TO BE PRESENTED TO THE
WORLD. IT'S EASILY REPRODUCABLE BY ANYONE SKILLED IN THE ART!
And these guys are worried about really stupid stuff like "my link won't
work" and "the B-H Characteristics are bogus."
YOU MUST BE KIDDING - DO YOU ACTUALLY REALIZE THE IMPLICATIONS?
Quote from: SolarLab on January 08, 2023, 11:45:06 PM
THIS IS THE FIRST "EXCESS ENERGY" SCHEME TO BE PRESENTED TO THE
WORLD. IT'S EASILY REPRODUCABLE BY ANYONE SKILLED IN THE ART!
And these guys are worried about really stupid stuff like "my link won't
work" and "the B-H Characteristics are bogus."
YOU MUST BE KIDDING - DO YOU ACTUALLY REALIZE THE IMPLICATIONS?
SolarLab.
This is a bold statement "FIRST!". Even in recent history, it is far from the first, there are those designs that "seeing townsfolk with chewing gum in their mouths" have not even seen!
For example, this patent: Energy management system US9620280B2
https://patents.google.com/patent/US9620280B2/en
QuoteAbstract
A split-flux transformer has a primary or input coil, at least two secondary or output coils, spaced apart and arranged in 3D, a magnetic core running through the primary and secondary coils, a source of electricity connected to the primary coil which when turned on creates a magnetic field in the core, and electrical wires connected to the secondary coils, each of which provides additive electricity into an output circuit.
https://weareinfiniteenergy.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/sft_principle.png
The US Patent Office did not issue a patent until two valid designs for the claimed effect were submitted. Photos are placed in the text of the patent.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7a/6c/da/1533c5d57edde9/US09620280-20170411-D00005.png
Today I can say 90% how this device works.
Another example is Stepanov's systems, they also implement devices with a performance greater than one. True, their systems are not openly disclosed.
http://sth-technology.ru/
I don't even name electromechanical systems. Therefore, never claim if you do not know something.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 08, 2023, 08:02:48 PM
Actually, a careful examination of the "iron" B-H Curve does explain the energy gain very well. A small input energy
"H" yields a very large energy "B" out. Convert the units if you find it confusing. Hysteresis is only one part of B-H
as you should know.
Typical trap where "free energy enthusiasts" fall.
When they think that hysteresis of ferromagnetic material is the source of free energy.
You forgot to continue your phrase, that amplification of H field by soft ferromagnetic material works both way.
As soon as that amplified B field causes induction in the coil, that coil creates counter magnetic field opposing the first one. And that counter H' field needs to be equally small to H field to create amplified counter B' field.
Otherwise all commercial generators would be "free energy" devices....
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 05:38:55 AM
Typical trap where "free energy enthusiasts" fall.
When they think that hysteresis of ferromagnetic material is the source of free energy.
You forgot to continue your phrase, that amplification of H field by soft ferromagnetic material works both way.
As soon as that amplified B field causes induction in the coil, that coil creates counter magnetic field opposing the first one. And that counter H' field needs to be equally small to H field to create amplified counter B' field.
Otherwise all commercial generators would be "free energy" devices....
Cheers,
Pix
Why do you think so?
In a synchronous generator, the excitation field and the phase field add up, no matter the winding wires in the groove or on the rods in the coils.
QuoteThe field of the machine under load will be created by the joint action of the excitation and phase windings. It will be different from the idle field.
The effect of the armature magnetic field on the machine field is called the armature reaction.
First, we will consider the reaction of the anchor, keeping in mind the qualitative side of this phenomenon. Quantitative accounting of the armature reaction, as well as internal voltage drops in the armature winding, is carried out using vector diagrams, which will be considered later.
A synchronous generator can operate with lagging or leading current in relation to the E.M.F. , given by the flux of the poles, or with a current coinciding in phase with the E.M.F.
It was the decomposition of all actions into components that helped me to understand this. Even the magnet and the ring don't work the way you imagine. It is enough to put the core in the ring.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 09, 2023, 06:02:14 AM
Why do you think so?
In a synchronous generator, the excitation field and the phase field add up, no matter the winding wires in the groove or on the rods in the coils.
And you still not get OU ? :o
Why I haven't seen any OU synchronous generator? And I worked with a lot of them.
Excitation coils work the same like rotating magnet, AVR by controlling current to excitation coils, precisely controls voltage in the stator windings in the varying load conditions.
If your theory would be true, then we wouldn't need any engine burning fuel to rotate that generator, and increasing fuel consumption when load on the generator rises.
Cheers,
Pix
Hello to All,
I really can NOT understand WHY is it, so hard to understand, that by just rotating or displacing the Virtual Magnetic Field We all could have Excess Energy?
Any Rotary Electric Generator, whether 1, 2 or 3 Phase is SELF CONTAINED, SELF EXCITED, meaning, it is NOT REQUIRED, to be connected to absolutely ANY EXTERNAL SOURCE.
And so, -with that main part in mind- the only requirement for these Machines to Operate, is to Rotate the Exciter Field along with the massive Steel and Copper Rotor Assembly...
The Higher Percentage of Higher Opposition, to this simple Rotation Operation (or as also called "Reverse Torque") is caused by the PHYSICAL LENZ, reason why, we need the "Herculean" Diesel or Gas Engines with such heavy Torque while keeping a steady RPM, whenever being LOADED.
Now, on any Virtual Spinning of the Magnetic Field Device, like the Holcomb Energy Systems, that PHYSICAL LENZ is completely GONE...NO MORE THERE!!...BYE!!
And such "Missing previously required Constrain" is now "a thing of the past" on these Systems, just because it would automatically:
DEDUCT, SUBSTRACT, ALL HUGE ENERGIES AND MASSIVE SPENDITURE REQUIRED, TO RUN THE HERCULEAN DIESEL OR GAS ENGINES!!!
SO, ALL THAT NOW "SAVED" HUGE ENERGY PLUS MASSIVE SPENDITURE IS NO LONGER REQUIRED AT OUR INPUT...CAPISCI?
It is SO SIMPLE MATH, AND COMMON SENSE, that really, any average smart brain, could understand it very easily.
So, I believe, IMHO, We all, do NOT need to get involved/engaged, into such heavy and deep arguments about Math Formulaes, B-H Curves, and the works, to simply understand what is going on here...
Or is it just to create "confusion" in the understanding?!...Because I have completely ZERO CONFUSION to "digest" this simple Method(s).
Just my opinion...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
Hello to All,
I really can NOT understand WHY is it, so hard to understand, that by just rotating or displacing the Virtual Magnetic Field We all could have Excess Energy?
Any Rotary Electric Generator, whether 1, 2 or 3 Phase is SELF CONTAINED, SELF EXCITED, meaning, it is NOT REQUIRED, to be connected to absolutely ANY EXTERNAL SOURCE.
And so, -with that main part in mind- the only requirement for these Machines to Operate, is to Rotate the Exciter Field along with the massive Steel and Copper Rotor Assembly...
The Higher Percentage of Higher Opposition, to this simple Rotation Operation (or as also called "Reverse Torque") is caused by the PHYSICAL LENZ, reason why, we need the "Herculean" Diesel or Gas Engines with such heavy Torque while keeping a steady RPM, whenever being LOADED.
Now, on any Virtual Spinning of the Magnetic Field Device, like the Holcomb Energy Systems, that PHYSICAL LENZ is completely GONE...NO MORE THERE!!...BYE!!
And such "Missing previously required Constrain" is now "a thing of the past" on these Systems, just because it would automatically:
DEDUCT. SUBSTRACT, ALL HUGE ENERGIES AND MASSIVE SPENDITURE REQUIRED, TO RUN THE HERCULEAN DIESEL OR GAS ENGINES!!!
It is SO SIMPLE MATH, that really, any average smart brain, could understand it very easily.
So, I believe, We all, do NOT need to get involved/engaged, into such heavy and deep arguments about Math Formulaes, B-H Curves, and the works, to simply understand what is going on here...
Or is it just to create "confusion" in the understanding?!...Because I have completely ZERO CONFUSION to "digest" this simple Method(s).
Just my opinion...
Regards
Ufopolitics
If that would be true, then any "virtual rotating magnetic field", for example 3 coils spaced 120 deg and driven from 3 phase VFD would give "no physical Lenz" to nearby coils and generate "free enargy" in them.
Lenz law applies also to non-physically rotating armature.
Any change in magnetic field causes in the other coil EMF that produces magnetic field opposing that change.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 05:38:55 AM
Typical trap where "free energy enthusiasts" fall.
When they think that hysteresis of ferromagnetic material is the source of free energy.
I also like the free spinning virtual magnetic field version better.
And if we could spin this field faster than the speed of light, maybe a miracle would happen at all? :o
з.ы.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
.CAPISCI?
Capisco :)
vorrei credere.
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
If that would be true, then any "virtual rotating magnetic field", for example 3 coils spaced 120 deg and driven from 3 phase VFD would give "no physical Lenz" to nearby coils and generate "free enargy" in them.
First, just "3 Coils apart by 120º" would NOT have enough RESOLUTION to obtain a substantial and Solid Rotary Sequence, that would produce excess energies.
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
Lenz law applies also to non-physically rotating armature.
Yeah, like Transformers...correct?...well, that "PHYSICALL LENZ" is NOT there...just the Currents increase is present.
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
Any change in magnetic field causes in the other coil EMF that produces magnetic field opposing that change.
Cheers,
Pix
Correct, however, if the Exciter Field, or the "Primary", or the Inductor, is not "physically" moving, then the Physical Lenz becomes just a high pitch "Humming sound", which does not affect -at all- the Ouput Performance of these Machines.
Really Guys, it is very easy to "digest" these facts...However, it is entirtely up to you to do so, to accept it...not up to me, to explain it more clearer than this.
Ufopolitics
Plus...and please...
Do not compare Transformers to Generators...it is like Apples and Bananas...
In ANY Transformer, the Magnetic Field is completely STATIC, FIXED, CONSTRAINED, to the same, exact SPACETIME PARAMETER!!
In ANY Generator, the Mag Field is MOVING THROUGH SPACETIME VARIATION!!!
HUGE FREAKING DIFF!!
Ufopolitics
How much "resolution" would you need? VFD could be driven up to 800 Hz and you van put multiply of that 3 coils. An Lenz stilo applies.
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 09:34:45 AM
How much "resolution" would you need? VFD could be driven up to 800 Hz and you van put multiply of that 3 coils. An Lenz stilo applies.
The "ideal Resolution" would be 1 Coil per 1º of rotation...however, even with 10º per coil, you would be able to see a nice output.
You do not need to go 800 Hz...as any rotary generator only needs 50-60 Hz of Physical Field displacement to operate...why go higher?
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 09:52:45 AM
The "ideal Resolution" would be 1 Coil per 1º of rotation...however, even with 10º per coil, you would be able to see a nice output.
You do not need to go 800 Hz...as any rotary generator only needs 50-60 Hz of Physical Field displacement to operate...why go higher?
For example, a 5º of rotation displacement coils, would require 72 coils total for the 360º to close the full loop.
For a Two Pole Exciter you could afford only 32 coils per Pole (not 36), leaving always 4 coils at "idle" (I, highly recommend to always keep some coils at idle, to avoid cross fields at border line between poles, creating distortion and canceling of)
The same formula applies as a typical generator, if you use 4 exciting poles, then it would require half RPM´s than 2 poles.
But the main deal here, is that by having 32 coils per pole, would allow a stepping sequence (mutation of poles, or reversal) of just one coil at a time for each pole...This will leave a very bigger portion of the Field always alive (average of 30 coils always on)...which in turn will represent a higher and more robust/strong Induction at Output.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 10:42:51 AM
For example, a 5º of rotation displacement coils, would require 72 coils total for the 360º to close the full loop.
For a Two Pole Exciter you could afford only 32 coils per Pole (not 36), leaving always 4 coils at "idle" (I, highly recommend to always keep some coils at idle, to avoid cross fields at border line between poles, creating distortion and canceling of)
The same formula applies as a typical generator, if you use 4 exciting poles, then it would require half RPM´s than 2 poles.
But the main deal here, is that having 32 coils per pole, would allow a stepping sequence (mutation of poles)of just one coil at a time for each pole...This will leave a very bigger portion of the Field always alive...which in turn will represent a higher and more robust Induction at Output.
Ufopolitics
In Holcomb patent and physical devices pictures I see 16 coils, which gives 1 coil per 22,5 deg. ::)
Why going down to 1 coil for 1 degree?
I don't understand benefits of such setup.
Physically impossible to wind 360 coils.
And switching losses would tremendous.
PS.
If you want rotating B field without physical rotation just simply use 3 phase VFD and you could multiply 3 phase coils sets to get more discrete/smooth phase passages.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
In Holcomb patent and physical devices pictures I see 16 coils, which gives 1 coil per 22,5 deg. ::)
Why going down to 1 coil for 1 degree?
I don't understand benefits of such setup.
Physically impossible to wind 360 coils.
And switching losses would tremendous.
I have written "
the ideal resolution would be 1:1"...
not the "real"... :) ...You know, like math says "hypotetically speaking..."
A 5º is more accessible, and of course, I am talking about overlapped coils, not like HES shows on Patents of individually wound coils per each teeth. (I have not tried that option, so, can not vouch for it)...
And btw..."not physically impossible" at all, to wind a 1:1 ratio (1º coils)
IF, we switch geometries...like a Toroid... :D
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
PS.
If you want rotating B field without physical rotation just simply use 3 phase VFD and you could multiply 3 phase coils sets to get more discrete/smooth phase passages.
Cheers,
Pix
PS: I am working exactly on that as well...I have shown Diagrams about it...yes...and a very simple switching 3 FET System circuit, based on the Car Alternator 3 Phase windings...
Thks
Professional wrestlers!
The generator (with laying the wire in the groove) and the transformer (where the primary and secondary windings are on different cores) work according to the same principle. The difference is only in the action of the field. The generator has a constant field, the transformer has an "alternating field", and in fact it is pulsating. There is another difference, it is the introduction of the generator into operation, starting the field out of phase and maintaining it during operation. In fact, the field of the generator induces itself. I have already given calculations on the example of a car generator, whoever thought about it should have started looking for answers.
Quote from: pix on January 09, 2023, 05:38:55 AM
Typical trap where "free energy enthusiasts" fall.
When they think that hysteresis of ferromagnetic material is the source of free energy.
You forgot to continue your phrase, that amplification of H field by soft ferromagnetic material works both way.
As soon as that amplified B field causes induction in the coil, that coil creates counter magnetic field opposing the first one. And that counter H' field needs to be equally small to H field to create amplified counter B' field.
Otherwise all commercial generators would be "free energy" devices....
Cheers,
Pix
Pix,The B-H characteristics are a lot more complex than just one small aspect known as "hysteresis."
There is no "trap," but instead, it's a method to achieve a "gain" - for free almost!
Professional CAE Analysis (all three major ones) clearly show the results are not what you claim. In
fact a complete set of CAE Analysis has been presented over a series of posts on an OUR Holcomb
thread. Some of the first analysis examined differing materials and the results are clear.
All commercial generators "are" free energy but they have to configured correctly - this is exactly
what Dr. Holcomb has done and he is now in the process of bringing these to market. But it does
take some time, as we all can appreciate.
If you look carefully in more detail you will eventually understand how this technological approach
works. Forget the engrained orthadoxy, this will help a great deal. Review the work that I have
presented at OUR in great detail, it will also help a lot I believe.
Regards,
SL
Worth repeating again:
THIS IS THE FIRST "EXCESS ENERGY" SCHEME TO BE PRESENTED TO THE
WORLD. IT'S EASILY REPRODUCABLE BY ANYONE SKILLED IN THE ART!
DO YOU ACTUALLY REALIZE THE IMPLICATIONS?
I do not want to reassure anyone, but nothing will go to the market, at least until the system allows it.
As for Holcomb systems, is 200 kW a household system? You think that its maintenance or content is such a free budget item.
Another aspect is integration into the power system, and these are approvals and permits, etc.
Holcomb generators are planned as power amplifiers.
In my research, this is another episode where everything is flushed down the toilet. The system can roll out any project.
Unfortunately!
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 09, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
I do not want to reassure anyone, but nothing will go to the market, at least until the system allows it.
As for Holcomb systems, is 200 kW a household system? You think that its maintenance or content is such a free budget item.
Another aspect is integration into the power system, and these are approvals and permits, etc.
Holcomb generators are planned as power amplifiers.
In my research, this is another episode where everything is flushed down the toilet. The system can roll out any project.
Unfortunately!
Well, we may not see one at the Big Box store any time soon, or ever!
But, since those skilled-in-the-art can actually build them (with minimal effort and resource),
and, since the size can be quite small; just add a "plug" to the box and run what ever this
independant power source is capable of (sort of like a solar cell when your camping, or at the
cottage, or on your boat - and you don't need a battery when the Sun goes away). Lots of
configurations and variations - DC, AC, both, lots of voltage and current combinations, etc..
Handy after an ice-storm or hurricane or whatever as well. Put it in your Tesla or electric bike.
Of course, if you wait for someone else to do it first (as some here spout) then - oh well!
For me - it's a wonderfully educational and exciting hobby... a lot of fun actually and quite
practical. So, quit wining and start winding! :) Plus, you get to learn programming! :(
Quote from: SolarLab on January 09, 2023, 12:29:09 PM
Pix,
The B-H characteristics are a lot more complex than just one small aspect known as "hysteresis."
There is no "trap," but instead, it's a method to achieve a "gain" - for free almost!
Professional CAE Analysis (all three major ones) clearly show the results are not what you claim. In
fact a complete set of CAE Analysis has been presented over a series of posts on an OUR Holcomb
thread. Some of the first analysis examined differing materials and the results are clear.
All commercial generators "are" free energy but they have to configured correctly - this is exactly
what Dr. Holcomb has done and he is now in the process of bringing these to market. But it does
take some time, as we all can appreciate.
If you look carefully in more detail you will eventually understand how this technological approach
works. Forget the engrained orthadoxy, this will help a great deal. Review the work that I have
presented at OUR in great detail, it will also help a lot I believe.
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
you say
QuoteAll commercial generators "are" free energy but they have to configured correctly
and you have said it can be replicated. So what is the correct configuration? Let's be specific. Using a model 283CSL1506 from https://www.marathongenerators.com/generators/images/SB0073E-60Hz.pdf intended for 25kW, what is this correct configuration to obtain free energy?
I have used Marathon motors and generators in the past, and been to one of their factories multiple times and worked with their design/application engineering departments years ago. I suspect my contacts are retired, but I am sure I could purchase the model mentioned or suitable equivalent, and would be able and willing provided I was supplied this correct configuration.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 09, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
Hi SL,
you sayand you have said it can be replicated. So what is the correct configuration? Let's be specific. Using a model 283CSL1506 from https://www.marathongenerators.com/generators/images/SB0073E-60Hz.pdf (https://www.marathongenerators.com/generators/images/SB0073E-60Hz.pdf) intended for 25kW, what is this correct configuration to obtain free energy?
I have used Marathon motors and generators in the past, and been to one of their factories multiple times and worked with their design/application engineering departments years ago. I suspect my contacts are retired, but I am sure I could purchase the model mentioned or suitable equivalent, and would be able and willing provided I was supplied this correct configuration.
bi
There are a multitude of configurations, choose what ever one suits your needs and capabilities.
Holcomb provides some hints in his many detailed patents but it sounds like your quite experienced
at this sort of thing. Me, I'm not - maybe someone else can give you a "paint by number" scheme.
My target is the "LinGen" device since, for me anyway, it's easier to fabricate and there's a wide choice
of ideal electrical (soft/pure iron, etc.) steel available to experiment with. But off-the-shelf motor steel
should work ok - as demonstrated in the HES (maybe only 2X or 3X - but good enough).
That's where the "one-skilled-in-art" part comes in! Probably worth the effort when considering all
the applications.
Good Luck
Quote from: bistander on January 09, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
Hi SL,
you sayand you have said it can be replicated. So what is the correct configuration? Let's be specific. Using a model 283CSL1506 from https://www.marathongenerators.com/generators/images/SB0073E-60Hz.pdf (https://www.marathongenerators.com/generators/images/SB0073E-60Hz.pdf) intended for 25kW, what is this correct configuration to obtain free energy?
I have used Marathon motors and generators in the past, and been to one of their factories multiple times and worked with their design/application engineering departments years ago. I suspect my contacts are retired, but I am sure I could purchase the model mentioned or suitable equivalent, and would be able and willing provided I was supplied this correct configuration.
bi
Hello Bi,
You will need to get images of the interior (rotor core) and since it is based on a 4 pole 3ph gen, then you could go with a Rotor Armature Core which fits inside the Stator diameter (could be pretty tight, since it is not going to rotate)
More likely you will need to have laminations cut for you in a waterjet or a laser jet cutter machine shop...
Or, if you get lucky, you could find a 3 Ph Motor Rotor, which has same length and diameter as generator...saving some time and money...however, it must have at least 72 tooth to wind all your coils...
Note: If you need a CAD drawing of the laminations to be cut, I could do that for you at no cost, given the spec's (like steel gauge of laminations, length, diameter).
Then you will need to calculate the wire gauge and # of turns required to produce same Field strength (per pole) as the normal Generator Rotor does, based on its own self exciting system of coils on the stator...I imagine it would be a brushless type 3 ph generator.
But I am sure, you would not have any problems on your calculations, since you are an expert on these fields.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 09, 2023, 11:26:00 AM
The generator has a constant field, the transformer has an "alternating field", and in fact it is pulsating.
I have a pump "johnson pump"
in which the torque from the motor to the impeller is transmitted through a magnetic coupling.
This is done to completely isolate the motor from the pumped aggressive liquid.
In this magnetic coupling, a constant field or an alternating one rotates?
Quote from: SolarLab on January 09, 2023, 01:17:44 PM
Well, we may not see one at the Big Box store any time soon, or ever!
But, since those skilled-in-the-art can actually build them (with minimal effort and resource),
and, since the size can be quite small; just add a "plug" to the box and run what ever this
independant power source is capable of (sort of like a solar cell when your camping, or at the
cottage, or on your boat - and you don't need a battery when the Sun goes away). Lots of
configurations and variations - DC, AC, both, lots of voltage and current combinations, etc..
Handy after an ice-storm or hurricane or whatever as well. Put it in your Tesla or electric bike.
Of course, if you wait for someone else to do it first (as some here spout) then - oh well!
For me - it's a wonderfully educational and exciting hobby... a lot of fun actually and quite
practical. So, quit wining and start winding! :) Plus, you get to learn programming! :(
Not so simple!
The problem is that even here (who thinks that he knows how the generator works, the usual synchronous one) not everyone understands what exactly needs to be done. You need to know exactly how the EMF occurs in the generator (by a millimeter of the field travel in the stator core). At the same time, both in the mechanical and in the Holcomb generator, a constant magnetic field rotates. The switching is designed to keep this constant flux component. But in any case, the excitation does not form the main field, it provokes it, the main field makes the phase current. These excitation fields and phases must add up. The field rotates in the mode of constant saturation.
Here the questions arise as to how it looks and how it happens to retain saturation from the phase current strength.
And now, many experts who will tell you how it happens? For myself, it was a discovery / insight, but this discovery came from the realization of how the transformer works.
At the same time, physics cannot answer how induction occurs in the groove (there are no / field lines / excitation fields, they are all in the groove rod).
Okay, I've said enough already. In the book, everything will be on the shelves.
PS
Figuera solved the same problem, in principle, a 4-pole synchronous generator, Holcomb and Figuera has a similar configuration, the difference in excitation and Figuera is single-phase.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 01:45:56 PM
Hello Bi,
You will need to get images of the interior (rotor core) and since it is based on a 4 pole 3ph gen, then you could go with a Rotor Armature Core which fits inside the Stator diameter (could be pretty tight, since it is not going to rotate)
More likely you will need to have laminations cut for you in a waterjet or a laser jet cutter machine shop...
Or, if you get lucky, you could find a 3 Ph Motor Rotor, which has same length and diameter as generator...saving some time and money...however, it must have at least 72 tooth to wind all your coils...
Note: If you need a CAD drawing of the laminations to be cut, I could do that for you at no cost, given the spec's (like steel gauge of laminations, length, diameter).
Then you will need to calculate the wire gauge and # of turns required to produce same Field strength (per pole) as the normal Generator Rotor does, based on its own self exciting system of coils on the stator...I imagine it would be a brushless type 3 ph generator.
But I am sure, you would not have any problems on your calculations, since you are an expert on these fields.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Thanks Ufo,
How did you arrive at a 72 tooth rotor?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 09, 2023, 02:22:02 PM
Thanks Ufo,
How did you arrive at a 72 tooth rotor?
bi
Yes Bi,
That was just a number divisible by four [ànd real] (I read it was a 4 pole generator on your pdf, so, in order not to touch your stator...you will need the same exact pole width config average tooth running at sequences.
Once you get Diameter on Stator plus tooth arc size, then the rotor config would be achieved.
On a 72 tooth, you will have 18 tooth per pole, of which one could be at idle per pole leaving just 16-17.
If you want more resolution (higher number of coils per pole) you could go for a higher number...however, they must always be divisible by 4.
I assume that generator rotor would have four huge tooth, spaced at 90º, which will allow for four big windings, in a thinner wire and hundreds of turns...but that rotor would not work for these systems.
I mean, it could also be a 36 tooth rotor...however, that would reduce the resolution in half.
Good thing is that a 4 rotor pole will require half frequency than a 2 pole....in our case 1800 RPM´s or 30 Hz.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 09, 2023, 02:39:41 PM
Yes Bi,
That was just a number divisible by four (I read it was a 4 pole generator on your pdf, so, in order not to touch your stator...you will need the same exact pole width average tooth running at sequences.
Once you get Diameter on Stator plus tooth arc, then the rotor config would be achieved.
On a 72 tooth, you will have 18 tooth per pole, of which one could be at idle per pole leaving just 16-17.
If you want more resolution (higher number of coils per pole) you could go for a higher number...however, they must always be divisible by 4.
I assume that generator rotor would have four huge tooth, spaced at 90º, which will allow for four big windings, in a thinner wire and hundreds of turns...but that rotor would not work for these systems.
I mean, it could also be a 36 tooth rotor...however, that would reduce the resolution in half.
Good thing is that a 4 rotor pole will require half frequency than a 2 pole....in our case 1800 RPM´s or 30 Hz.
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Thanks for the prompt reply. Resolution, as I figured, coming from you. This is a point of disagreement with me. Using a 3-phase sinusoidal AC source produces a constant magnitude rotating magnetic field. Relative to a fixed point in the air gap, the flux is smooth, continuous uninterrupted so needs no further resolution. Even if the 3-phase AC is derived via a VFD, the inductive reactance of the winding coils will smooth the current waveform. Modulation or carrier frequency of VFD's of which I've used range from 2k to 12kHz. Having "scoped" current many times, resolution is not an issue. For your devices, do as you wish. And btw, Holcomb shows that 16 tooth 4 pole rotor, remember?
I'm interested in SL's "minimal effort and resource" configuration is.
bi
{edit} btw, it would still be at 60Hz.
A little about devices!
"
Electromagnetic induction device for generation of electrical power" US8847720B2 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en)
H02N11/008 Alleged electric or magnetic perpetua mobilia2014-09-30 Application granted
2014-09-30 Publication of US8847720B2
2032-11-05 Anticipated expiration
QuoteThe only external power source required by these generators is a battery that supplies current for the initial DC cycle(s) to a high frequency DC to AC switch in the computer control module, which then passes the high frequency AC current to the inductors. This creates high frequency cyclic magnetic fields which induce voltage and current in the wires of a number of surrounding inductors, like the output of a generator. Some of this current is available to the load and can be adjusted so that voltage, current, number of phases and frequency can be supplied. The other part of the induced current output of the inductor is fed back to the inductors, supplying current for subsequent cycles, and then the battery is removed from the circuit.
http://ua-hho.do.am/_pu/2/99588762.jpg
PS
Dála an scéil, má ghlacann tú dearadh Holcomb áit a bhfuil dhá rótar aige agus nach bhfágann tú ach an chuid seachtrach den rotor / stator, é a bhriseadh ina thimthriallta, is féidir leat an algartam atá ag teastáil a fháil.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 09, 2023, 03:45:36 PM
A little about devices!
"Electromagnetic induction device for generation of electrical power" US8847720B2 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en)
H02N11/008 Alleged electric or magnetic perpetua mobilia
2014-09-30 Application granted
2014-09-30 Publication of US8847720B2
2032-11-05 Anticipated expiration
http://ua-hho.do.am/_pu/2/99588762.jpg (http://ua-hho.do.am/_pu/2/99588762.jpg)
PS
Dála an scéil, má ghlacann tú dearadh Holcomb áit a bhfuil dhá rótar aige agus nach bhfágann tú ach an chuid seachtrach den rotor / stator, é a bhriseadh ina thimthriallta, is féidir leat an algartam atá ag teastáil a fháil.
Hi Rakarskiy,
This is an interesting patent, well worth a review. BTW, this patent was declaired expired for
lack of payment of fees on "2018-11-27 FP Lapsed due to failure to pay maintenance fee."
Effective date: 20180930.
Note: After the Claims section there's a few paragraphs describing the physical and electrical
characteristics - "Calculations for a Nominal Electricity Generator"
Of particular notice is the output and physical size. It does not appear the inventor claims it
to be an excess energy type; but that might have been left out to avoid not having it granted.
Probably worth a CAE analysis non the less. Intreguing approach with good information. However
your link (picture) gets flagged as suspicious... by this PC/provider/security.
SL
US8847720B2
P7 @ 27-32
"A part of the induced current output is Supplied through a feedback circuit in the control module, to become
the current subsequent to the initial cycle(s) in the parallel circuit of the wires of the inductors, the battery is
thereupon removed from the circuit. The major part of the induced current is supplied to the load"
In other words - the inventor indicates the device is "self supporting" thus runs itself! [excess energy]
Required reading IMO - especially the last half - before a build or even before commenting.
Very well done Inventer Harold J. Goldbaum. Thanks.
Rakarskiy, Thanks for refering this patent - it provides literally a ton of useful information therein!
Hmm. This patent was given me from LancaIV about two years ago.By personal message. :)
I just looked and remembered that I had seen this before.
Lanca knows a lot. They banned him in vain...
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 09, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
I do not want to reassure anyone, but nothing will go to the market, at least until the system allows it.
As for Holcomb systems, is 200 kW a household system? You think that its maintenance or content is such a free budget item.
Another aspect is integration into the power system, and these are approvals and permits, etc.
Holcomb generators are planned as power amplifiers.
In my research, this is another episode where everything is flushed down the toilet. The system can roll out any project.
Unfortunately!
The ILPG will go to market , and soon. I have contacted Astra Energy, who is in a joint venture with Holcomb to manufacture and sell the ILPG. They told me that they are currently in NDA's with several manufacturers and will update as soon as one is selected. I expect it will be announced very soon.
Quote from: Lottalead on January 10, 2023, 07:09:03 AM
The ILPG will go to market , and soon. I have contacted Astra Energy, who is in a joint venture with Holcomb to manufacture and sell the ILPG. They told me that they are currently in NDA's with several manufacturers and will update as soon as one is selected. I expect it will be announced very soon.
Look forward to! As for products with a power of up to 10 kW, what do you know? Or, together, the contract set the bar above 200 kW
This doesn't look good for Astra Energy
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ASTRA-ENERGY-INC-111328093/news/ASTRA-ENERGY-INC-10-K-A-Management-s-Discussion-and-Analysis-of-Financial-Condition-and-Result-42559686/
L192
On the positive side.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/12/01/2566157/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-a-Definitive-Manufacturing-and-Distribution-Agreement-Between-Its-Subsidiary-Regreen-Technologies-Inc-and-Cong-Ty-Co-Phan-Viecotech-of-Vietnam.html (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/12/01/2566157/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-a-Definitive-Manufacturing-and-Distribution-Agreement-Between-Its-Subsidiary-Regreen-Technologies-Inc-and-Cong-Ty-Co-Phan-Viecotech-of-Vietnam.html)
Quote from: Feb2006 on January 10, 2023, 10:51:25 AM
On the positive side.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/12/01/2566157/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-a-Definitive-Manufacturing-and-Distribution-Agreement-Between-Its-Subsidiary-Regreen-Technologies-Inc-and-Cong-Ty-Co-Phan-Viecotech-of-Vietnam.html (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/12/01/2566157/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-a-Definitive-Manufacturing-and-Distribution-Agreement-Between-Its-Subsidiary-Regreen-Technologies-Inc-and-Cong-Ty-Co-Phan-Viecotech-of-Vietnam.html)
This is related to waste management however, this does not change the underlying financials and debt management of the company. All companies can only run at a year by year increasing loss for as long as their creditors allow.
Quote from: bistander on January 09, 2023, 03:18:39 PM
Hi Ufo,
Thanks for the prompt reply. Resolution, as I figured, coming from you. This is a point of disagreement with me. Using a 3-phase sinusoidal AC source produces a constant magnitude rotating magnetic field. Relative to a fixed point in the air gap, the flux is smooth, continuous uninterrupted so needs no further resolution. Even if the 3-phase AC is derived via a VFD, the inductive reactance of the winding coils will smooth the current waveform. Modulation or carrier frequency of VFD's of which I've used range from 2k to 12kHz. Having "scoped" current many times, resolution is not an issue. For your devices, do as you wish. And btw, Holcomb shows that 16 tooth 4 pole rotor, remember?
I'm interested in SL's "minimal effort and resource" configuration is.
bi
{edit} btw, it would still be at 60Hz.
bistander, Responding to your comment above:
"
I'm interested in SL's "minimal effort and resource" configuration is. "
In an effort to further understand where you seem to have a problem with the LinGen configuration it
might be a good idea to start from the beginning.
What part are you having a problem with?
Starting from the mid school physics experiment where you made an electro-magnet with a wire coil,
a metal core (nails?) and a battery or power supply. Do you recall those experiments? Did you
understand any of the physics behind it? The B-H mechanics of it might not have been explained,
but do you have a feeling for the various types of "metal" involved and what the differences in
magnetic field strengths with respect to the various metals used?
A lot of other variables like distance, coil turns, current, pulse duration, etc. are involved but we can
work through those if necessary. Not all of us see things from the same prospective, but we'll reach
common ground with a little discussion.
At the risk of being redundant, there are a couple of re-posted images attached. The size of the metal
(rotor and stator in gray) is 3" X 5" X 0.5" thick (or there abouts). Both Rotor Coils (eight) and Lap wound
Coil (one) are shown as solid elements which make up many wire windings (thats the way this CAE does it).
Calculate the winding turns, etc. to suit your desired output with respect to your pulse inputs.
The entire WAG LinGen is arbitrary but most similar configurations should give reasonable results. It's a
first pass, wild ass guess, proof-of-concept!
Finding suitable metal was discussed a while back in the OUR Thread but that can revisited if necessary.
We all can work through this from start to finish if that's what's required. I think this stuff is an important
break-through for all involved (life on the planet going forward) so I believe it's worth the effort.
I know there will be a lot of "smart ass" comments, etc. but I can handle that - I have "Big Boy" pants!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 10, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
bistander,
Responding to your comment above:
" I'm interested in SL's "minimal effort and resource" configuration is. "
In an effort to further understand where you seem to have a problem with the LinGen configuration it
might be a good idea to start from the beginning.
What part are you having a problem with?
Starting from the mid school physics experiment where you made an electro-magnet with a wire coil,
a metal core (nails?) and a battery or power supply. Do you recall those experiments? Did you
understand any of the physics behind it? The B-H mechanics of it might not have been explained,
but do you have a feeling for the various types of "metal" involved and what the differences in
magnetic field strengths with respect to the various metals used?
A lot of other variables like distance, coil turns, current, pulse duration, etc. are involved but we can
work through those if necessary. Not all of us see things from the same prospective, but we'll reach
common ground with a little discussion.
At the risk of being redundant, there are a couple of re-posted images attached. The size of the metal
(rotor and stator in gray) is 3" X 5" X 0.5" thick (or there abouts). Both Rotor Coils (eight) and Lap wound
Coil (one) are shown as solid elements which make up many wire windings (thats the way this CAE does it).
Calculate the winding turns, etc. to suit your desired output with respect to your pulse inputs.
The entire WAG LinGen is arbitrary but most similar configurations should give reasonable results. It's a
first pass, wild ass guess, proof-of-concept!
Finding suitable metal was discussed a while back in the OUR Thread but that can revisited if necessary.
We all can work through this from start to finish if that's what's required. I think this stuff is an important
break-through for all involved (life on the planet going forward) so I believe it's worth the effort.
I know there will be a lot of "smart ass" comments, etc. but I can handle that - I have "Big Boy" pants!
SL
Hi SL,
I was hoping that you would be able to instruct me how to obtain the correct configuration after you claimed this:
Quote from: SolarLab on January 09, 2023, 12:29:09 PM
All commercial generators "are" free energy but they have to configured correctly -
I realize the quote is truncated, done so to unclutter this reply, but your original post is linked at the beginning of the quote for those desiring full context. So I selected an available commercial generator, which you claim is free energy, and offer to configure it correctly. I seek the procedure for that configuration. In a subsequent post you said the task would be "with minimal effort and resource". I have the resources, skills and am willing to put in the effort if I know the correct configuration.
I am not interested in building the LinGen, but will address this:
QuoteWhat part are you having a problem with?
Specifically this:
QuoteCalculate the winding turns, etc. to suit your desired output with respect to your pulse inputs.
Please show me how you did this without telling me to learn CAE. If the software actually does these calculations and makes the input and desired output choices, explain, best you can, how.
This would go a long way helping me understand how one would apply the process to the commerical generator.
In regards to LinGen, I am under the impression that you are building a prototype. How far along are you?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 10, 2023, 02:24:04 PM
Hi SL,
I was hoping that you would be able to instruct me how to obtain the correct configuration after you claimed this: I realize the quote is truncated, done so to unclutter this reply, but your original post is linked at the beginning of the quote for those desiring full context. So I selected an available commercial generator, which you claim is free energy, and offer to configure it correctly. I seek the procedure for that configuration. In a subsequent post you said the task would be "with minimal effort and resource". I have the resources, skills and am willing to put in the effort if I know the correct configuration.
I am not interested in building the LinGen, but will address this:Specifically this:
Please show me how you did this without telling me to learn CAE. If the software actually does these calculations and makes the input and desired output choices, explain, best you can, how.
This would go a long way helping me understand how one would apply the process to the commerical generator.
In regards to LinGen, I am under the impression that you are building a prototype. How far along are you?
Thanks,
bi
Ufopolitics has already addressed your question re: motor and windings, etc.
Commercial generator re-configurations is addressed in the Holcomb patents and demonstrated
in the HES videos.
Since you have the resources and skills, the remainder will have to draw from your "skilled-in-the-art" part!
Not much more to it - see the LinGen attachments, try 100 turns on the Rotor Poles and 500 Turns on the Stator Lap.
Pulse it per the diagram with an Amp. Record the output into 1K ohm for convenience. Adjust as needed. That's it!
The "Cook Book" you seek has yet to be written. CAE does the calculations, so to speak; enter the info (windings, etc.);
hit the solution icon, and the new results appear - check the web CAE sites for full explainations, examples, etc..
Don't try to complicate things and it will be of a much greater reward... Perfect it later.
Forgot to mention - over on the OUR thread I posted a "How I did the WAG design" thing - it's somewhere there.
The attachment is along those lines. (a lot of concern about my use of "Amps/Turn" - don't worry about it).
With respect to "how far along are you" - quite far but still not ready for final beta.
Many more iterations to check as well.
Yea, I know, shoot the engineer so we can get something on the loading dock! Actually, this is a hobby for me
and I'm not out to impress anyone, except maybe myself. It's the "Curse of the Ever Curious."
Anyway, that's all I know. Good Luck!
Hello SL!
Unfortunately, this configuration is probably very wrong, mine was wrong (maybe I just didn't finish it).
Practice from several attempts has shown that everything does not work as it seems.
I do not want to upset, I have already been through this since 2018.
To do this, I found patterns and moved on to the algorithm, superimposing it on the corresponding constructions of known structures, confirmed this particular algorithm theoretically. Some found missing items. Algorithm for a synchronous generator with field rotation, this is Dr. Holcomb's ingenious solution.
Sincerely!
Quote from: SolarLab on January 10, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
Ufopolitics has already addressed your question re: motor and windings, etc.
Commercial generator re-configurations is addressed in the Holcomb patents and demonstrated
in the HES videos.
Since you have the resources and skills, the remainder will have to draw from your "skilled-in-the-art" part!
Not much more to it - see the LinGen attachments, try 100 turns on the Rotor Poles and 500 Turns on the Stator Lap.
Pulse it per the diagram with an Amp. Record the output into 1K ohm for convenience. Adjust as needed. That's it!
The "Cook Book" you seek has yet to be written. CAE does the calculations, so to speak; enter the info (windings, etc.);
hit the solution icon, and the new results appear - check the web CAE sites for full explainations, examples, etc..
Don't try to complicate things and it will be of a much greater reward... Perfect it later.
Forgot to mention - over on the OUR thread I posted a "How I did the WAG design" thing - it's somewhere there.
With respect to "how far along are you" - quite far but still not ready for final beta.
Many more iterations to check as well.
Yea, I know, shoot the engineer so we can get something on the loading dock! Actually, this is a hobby for me
and I'm not out to impress anyone, except maybe myself. It's the "Curse of the Ever Curious."
Anyway, that's all I know. Good Luck!
Thanks SL,
Pretty much as I expected.
So continuing with regards to LinGen, what is the steady state performance from a simulation conducted with the parameters arrived at using the CAE? What is the calculated output for the device you are building? For input, earlier you said "1 Amp, 300 Turns". Is that average current or for pulse duration and is it still applicable?
bi
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Just noticed, you say 500 turns for the lap winding on the stator. The diagrams show only 4 turns. Is this a change?
Quote from: listener192 on January 10, 2023, 11:22:35 AM
This is related to waste management however, this does not change the underlying financials and debt management of the company. All companies can only run at a year by year increasing loss for as long as their creditors allow.
Investors not creditors. Many businesses run at a loss especially if they are investing for future growth. It took Amazon years to turn a profit.
As once quoted in a Monty Python flick "This is Silly!"
So I'll just "cut-it-here"...
Quote from: SolarLab on January 10, 2023, 04:14:48 PM
As once quoted in a Monty Python flick "This is Silly!"
So I'll just "cut-it-here"...
Hi SL,
You don't really have those pants on, do you? You appear to be well skilled in the art of computer use, but then not being so myself, I can be easily fooled. I am skilled in electric machine design, even though you call me a stupid sh!t troll. Your disdain for me, from what I can tell, comes from your lack of skill in the art of electric machine design. That is unfortunate for you. If you could really fit into those pants, I could help you identify some big problems apparent in the LinGen design information which you have posted. Such snafus are recognizable by those skilled in the art.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 10, 2023, 05:18:15 PM
Hi SL,
You don't really have those pants on, do you? You appear to be well skilled in the art of computer use, but then not being so myself, I can be easily fooled. I am skilled in electric machine design, even though you call me a stupid sh!t troll. Your disdain for me, from what I can tell, comes from your lack of skill in the art of electric machine design. That is unfortunate for you. If you could really fit into those pants, I could help you identify some big problems apparent in the LinGen design information which you have posted. Such snafus are recognizable by those skilled in the art.
bi
bi,
Sorry if you perceive that I may have any distain; not in the least. However, answering questions that have been "asked and answered" over
and over and explaining things that are intuitively obvious becomes tedious a best.
Lucky for me, however, "it drives me to drink (even more)!
Anyway, I'm all ears - as I have little skill in electric machine design - have only done one automation scheme for a Wire Extrusion Factory
and Cable Plant it was so long ago I can't even recall the names of the controllers (other than Nokia, Siemans & Johnson), motors nor any
courses I took (except a rather excellent Reliance Electric 2 week Hands-On).
So, fill me in about some of the "big problems" (or even small ones) that are apparent in the LinGen design. If I knew even a small bit
about this stuff I wouldn't be hanging here - I'd be rich and sailing on my yacht! ;D
And YES, I keep my Big Boy pants on 24/7!
Regards SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 10, 2023, 03:28:22 PM
Hello SL!
Unfortunately, this configuration is probably very wrong, mine was wrong (maybe I just didn't finish it).
Practice from several attempts has shown that everything does not work as it seems.
I do not want to upset, I have already been through this since 2018.
To do this, I found patterns and moved on to the algorithm, superimposing it on the corresponding constructions of known structures, confirmed this particular algorithm theoretically. Some found missing items. Algorithm for a synchronous generator with field rotation, this is Dr. Holcomb's ingenious solution.
Sincerely!
Hi Rakarskiy,
You've got some interesting schemes in your diagrams. Doubt that any of them are "very wrong" - hey,
look at the "out there" stuff in Harold J. Goldbaum's Patent (the one you brought to light - US8847720B2)
.
He's got some wild schemes in there. Will they work as claimed? Who knows; still too new of an area to be
set-in-stone just yet. Hopefully we'll get a better idea when I get a chance to simulate some of them.
Have tried a few "way out" designs here as well; and some are yielding "What in the Hell?" results.
Still a whole lot of experimentation and discovery to be done.
BTW - your work is very informative and interesting, IMHO, appreciate you sharing!
Thanks...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 10, 2023, 06:40:22 PM
bi,
Sorry if you perceive that I may have any distain; not in the least. However, answering questions that have been "asked and answered" over
and over and explaining things that are intuitively obvious becomes tedious a best.
Lucky for me, however, "it drives me to drink (even more)!
Anyway, I'm all ears - as I have little skill in electric machine design - have only done one automation scheme for a Wire Extrusion Factory
and Cable Plant it was so long ago I can't even recall the names of the controllers (other than Nokia, Siemans & Johnson), motors nor any
courses I took (except a rather excellent Reliance Electric 2 week Hands-On).
So, fill me in about some of the "big problems" (or even small ones) that are apparent in the LinGen design. If I knew even a small bit
about this stuff I wouldn't be hanging here - I'd be rich and sailing on my yacht! ;D
And YES, I keep my Big Boy pants on 24/7!
Regards SL
Hi SL,
First, please answer those questions in my previous post. I'll paste them here:
with regards to LinGen, what is the steady state performance from a simulation conducted with the parameters arrived at using the CAE? What is the calculated output for the device you are building? For input, earlier you said "1 Amp, 300 Turns". Is that average current or for pulse duration and is it still applicable?
... you say 500 turns for the lap winding on the stator. The diagrams show only 4 turns. Is this a change?
______
With that updated info, I'll recheck my notes and get back to you.
bi
ps. Not needed with answers to questions above, but if you, or anyone, could answer:
Is the functionality the same between Holcomb's linear configuration and his circular machine, as in input/output circuitry and gain technique?
Have a good time, SL!
If it were so, then the practical models would have started, I had enough practical models, as well as options for more "+" to those on the diagram.
First, there are two EMF formulas working on different principles. I was convinced of this after theoretical and practical "altruism on a rake".
Mathematically, I even connected them and could calculate the same result, but in reality these are two different principles.
It is not by chance that I say in plain text: "figure out how a modern electromechanical synchronous generator works."
In any case, first the physics of the process (and here I already understand that education does not reveal this and sometimes even confuses) then design.
Without exact knowledge of the physics of the process, designing a generator, and even a solid state one, is a littoria where there is no winning ticket in the basket.
I think that Dr. Holcomb's "parerbank generator" as it is presented cannot be working!
Model with electromagnetic rotation of the field (2pi), without mechanical rotation of the electromagnet of the rotor, absolutely correct ingenious solution of Dr. Holcomb.
This process is irreversible! (this is for smart people, with knowledge of electric machines)!
Sincerely!
To all,
Thinking about Holcomb's device, I came up with a question. First, from my experience and knowledge, electromagnetic energy conversion is reversible. Fundamental principles are that input and output can be switched. Now, with application specific machinery, excitation may require reconfiguration, as in the example of using the automotive alternator as a motor. I think we've all seen that done. The point is, the EM process (say at the air gap) is reversible.
So.
What happens when you reverse the input and output on Holcomb's device? Does excess energy go back into the iron atoms?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 12:42:36 AM
Hi SL,
First, please answer those questions in my previous post. I'll paste them here:
with regards to LinGen, what is the steady state performance from a simulation conducted with the parameters arrived at using the CAE? What is the calculated output for the device you are building? For input, earlier you said "1 Amp, 300 Turns". Is that average current or for pulse duration and is it still applicable?
... you say 500 turns for the lap winding on the stator. The diagrams show only 4 turns. Is this a change?
______
With that updated info, I'll recheck my notes and get back to you.
bi
ps. Not needed with answers to questions above, but if you, or anyone, could answer:
Is the functionality the same between Holcomb's linear configuration and his circular machine, as in input/output circuitry and gain technique?
OK, but this is the last one. I'm quite busy with other pressing things - for quite a while, it now appears...
Steady state is what you see in the "Block Diagram" Output graph - increases a bit but stabilizes at around 20Vpp. Primary tests show a
bit lower (might be down a couple of volts, more or less). These values are completely arbitrary; just a wild ass guess - results are shown
for the initial simulation but I'm not going to interupt an analysis run, just to check.
What you see in the Lap winding is the outline of the Lap Coil which can be whatever turns you specify - the CAE uses an "envelope outline"
of the Winding which is composed of whatever turns is specified. This is the same for the "envelope outline" of the Rotor winding. This has been
explained many times in the threads regarding how the CAE handles Coils. Also this is clearly explained in the CAE manuals, etc..
Linear and circular are fundamentally the same except for the metal - the circular is simply sectioned and stretch out from what i know.
Haven't completed a circular one yet, and probably will not any time soon. Rotating or sliding magnetic field should be the same except
possibly at the ends of the Linear due to the break in the metal structure. Again, TBD. No difference in I/O unless there is something else
within the circular configurations.
You'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
Again -
this is not a COOK BOOK and your results may vary. Its for educational purposes only! An introduction to the technology at best.
It's geared to those that may have some skill-in-the-art - as delineated in pretty much all patent disclosures. That's where I got it from.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 11, 2023, 02:14:15 AM
OK, but this is the last one. I'm quite busy with other pressing things - for quite a while, it now appears...
Steady state is what you see in the "Block Diagram" Output graph - increases a bit but stabilizes at around 20Vpp. Primary tests show a
bit lower (might be down a couple of volts, more or less). These values are completely arbitrary; just a wild ass guess - results are shown
for the initial simulation but I'm not going to interupt an analysis run, just to check.
What you see in the Lap winding is the outline of the Lap Coil which can be whatever turns you specify - the CAE uses an "envelope outline"
of the Winding which is composed of whatever turns is specified. This is the same for the "envelope outline" of the Rotor winding. This has been
explained many times in the threads regarding how the CAE handles Coils. Also this is clearly explained in the CAE manuals, etc..
Linear and circular are fundamentally the same except for the metal - the circular is simply sectioned and stretch out from what i know.
Haven't completed a circular one yet, and probably will not any time soon. Rotating or sliding magnetic field should be the same except
possibly at the ends of the Linear due to the break in the metal structure. Again, TBD. No difference in I/O unless there is something else
within the circular configurations.
You'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
Again - this is not a COOK BOOK and your results may vary. Its for educational purposes only! An introduction to the technology at best.
It's geared to those that may have some skill-in-the-art - as delineated in pretty much all patent disclosures. That's where I got it from.
SL
Thanks SL,
So then you have output voltage of 20V
pp. I see it is not sinusoidal, but for an rms value, let's pretend, giving 7.07 volts. You said to use a 1 kOhm load. That figures to 50 mW output, assuming unity pf.
For input, I fully realize what you're saying, that is why my first attempt requested a current density. Surely there has to be a figure used for, or from the CAE. Is it correct for me to use the figure of 1 amp with 300 T/c as you stated previously? I guess I'll use 1A
rms.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 03:04:34 AM
Thanks SL,
So then you have output voltage of 20Vpp. I see it is not sinusoidal, but for an rms value, let's pretend, giving 7.07 volts. You said to use a 1 kOhm load. That figures to 50 mW output, assuming unity pf.
For input, I fully realize what you're saying, that is why my first attempt requested a current density. Surely there has to be a figure used for, or from the CAE. Is it correct for me to use the figure of 1 amp with 300 T/c as you stated previously? I guess I'll use 1Arms.
bi
Yea, your probably right - the device is bogus. Maybe the instruments need calibration, or the favorite one around here - I read them wrong.
I'll inform the CAE companies and let them know their shit doesn't work as well.
Thanks for the great insight. Appreciated. Have a good one.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 11, 2023, 04:03:16 AM
Yea, your probably right - the device is bogus. Maybe the instruments need calibration, or the favorite one around here - I read them wrong.
I'll inform the CAE companies and let them know their shit doesn't work as well.
Thanks for the great insight. Appreciated. Have a good one.
SL
SL,
I understand envelope outline, but at some point you need to reduce it to practice and wind with actual wire and defined number of turns. Since you're building a prototype, I thought you were at this stage. But apparently not. The one snafu which I intended to address deals directly in this area, I'll wait until you complete the synthesis. Let me know.
bi
EXCITER FIELDS CIRCUIT OF GENERATORS (NOT CAR ALTERNATORS)
Hello to All,
It is great to have here the attention of so many "skilled in the Arts" Members...or brilliant minds related to deep knowledge about Energy Generation!!
So, I am taking that advantage, in order to address a specific topic about Generators (again, Not Cars Alternators)
And that is -specifically- the EXCITER CIRCUIT of a Home or Industrial Generator:
1-A Car Alternator is very different from a Home or Commercial Generator...and the basic difference relates that a Car Alternator requires a Battery, in order to start generating energy.
While a Home or Commercial Generator does NOT!!
2- A Generator is a completely isolated unit, NOT connected to absolutely any external power supply in order to start generating power.
Of course BOTH Machines require the constant rotation of its Exciter Magnetic Field.
Now, regardless of the type of Exciter Circuit a Generator have, whether Brushless or the earlier models with brushes...they all do the same thing:
Keep the Exciter Rotor powered ON at all times, without any external source, no matter what type of load we apply to its output.
I have not found any literature that only dedicates to a deep study about calculations, formulas, etc,etc, related to just DESIGNING the exciter system of a Generator.
And...IMHO, I consider this circuit the most important part of any Generator design, as it is the one we all should be concentrating on, whenever we are to design any non rotational generator.
If we further analyze this system, independently from the Output Circuit, we realize that it is a completely SELF RUNNER CIRCUIT (ELECTRICALLY SPEAKING), of course, as long as we keep the rotation of the Magnetic Field at constant levels.
But, when we move on to the HES System, we can take off completely the "torque requirements"...just because, we are not rotating any huge mass rotor steel core, and so, by just rotating the Magnetic Field would be a very low Input requirement.
If We could achieve that by just rotating the Massless Magnetic Field our exciting system starts to gain power enough to induce our output coils (just like a typical generator already is designed to do)...we easily will reach Extra Energy, without any doubts.
Ufopolitics
GENERATORS EXCITER CIRCUIT (Cont.)
Hello again,
To put it here in a simple Block Diagram...for much easier understanding.
Plus a further explanation about some basic "technicalities"...
If we look in detail to just the Exciting Feedback Coils in a Generator STATOR...We notice it has fewer turns as it is wound with much finer gauge than Output Coils.
It is also positioned exactly at 90º from Output Coils...I would be guessing here, this is done in order not to Interfere with Output Spacetime of Exciting Field.
So, this Exciter System Operation or "exchange/transfer" is pretty simple to understand...
The Rotor Field Induces the Feedback Coils at a specific Angle of rotation generating an AC Sinewave, then this AC Energy is converted to DC via Diodes and a Cap, to be sent back to Rotor Coils Circuit, in order that by the time-Angle-Spacetime where it hits the Output Coils, it is already energized.
This System starts by itself, based on a small charge on Cap, as also some magnetic reminiscence on the rotor core steel...and starts developing a FULL CHARGE of its Inducing Field very fast...
I have conducted myself many tests while running a Home Generator...I have run outside wires directly from the exciting system brushes to a Volt and an Amp meter...of course, when loading Generator with different, but heavy loads.
And basically the readings were pretty constant...+/-170 Volts and +/-2.0 Amps.
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
There is an abundance of hits searching (Google) for generator exciter. I particularly liked the attached PDF.
bi
QuoteGenerator exciter
The synchronous exciter consists of an inductor, an armature and a rotating rectifier. The exciter inductor consists of a core made of electrical steel sheets and an excitation winding. The inductor is pressed into the generator frame - for generators up to 100 kW, inclusive, and into the bearing shield - for generators over 100 kW.
To ensure the self-excitation of the generator, permanent magnets are installed in the slots of the poles of the core 'inductor. The exciter armature is made of a core made of electrical steel sheets. For generators over 100 kW, the core is cast into an aluminum alloy frame. The armature winding is loose two-layer, laid in the grooves of the core. The winding leads are connected in a star and connected to the clamping bolts of the rotating rectifier. The anchor is mounted on the generator shaft. The rotating rectifier consists of an insulating ring on which the rectifier bridge is mounted and fixed to the balancing ring for generators up to 100 W and in the armature frame for generators over 100 kW.
The main field, which "rotates", is formed from the phase current under load. The causative agent does not form a flow, it provokes it. Basically, a constant flux is rotating in the generator and the stator core is in constant saturation.
Thanks Guys,
However, I know all that...basically on a 3 phase system, the Self-Exciting System is more complicated, as it is not part of main stator frame...but in a separate level, and mounted on the same shaft...yes, I also know some have a belt of permanent magnets (PMG) armature to do the initial excitement on main rotor.
@Bistander: Thanks, very nicely illustrated doc...
@Rakarskiy: thanks, also a nice diagram...
Unfortunately, what I was referring to, was to specifically DESIGN of an Exciter System, and rather start by the simplest one...a single phase home type generator. Where its Exciter System is "built-in" within Stator...well you know, for sake of simplicity to start.
More specifically, since the Exciter Rotor Coils are used for both purposes (Charge and Induce) on a single phase...what are the specifics of their components?
1- What type of wire gauge, number of turns and Resistance/Inductance values on Rotor Exciter Coils?
2- What type of wire gauge, # of turns and end resistance/inductance of Stator Feedback Coils?
Are there any Formulas to calculate those above?
And not talking about the Brushless types, since I consider to be more complex on their design, as there must be resonance points between both Fields in order to function properly as transfer-receive energy flow.
The simple ones, the brushed type...because since we do not have any rotating parts, it would just be wires running from stator coils to exciter coils.
Do you understand what we all need here?
Thanks again
Ufopolitics
The conception is different, but one common thing is the excitation or DC coil / electromagnetic.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm)
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Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 11:42:18 AM
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The simple ones, the brushed type...because since we do not have any rotating parts, it would just be wires running from stator coils to exciter coils.
Do you understand what we all need here?
Thanks again
Ufopolitics
No rotating parts, you say. Then you need a power supply. Just connect it to your field coils.
There are no exciter coils, so no wire gauge, turns, resistance, inductance, etc. Just use the power supply to properly excite the field.
bi
Hello,
Point is that if we completely remove the Output Coils of a Generator...and rotate its exciter rotor, the Energy would be produced at its Stator Feedback Coils and sent back to keep rotor energized...and that is the point, all we need to do is spin the Magnetic Field...without ANY EXTERNAL Input directly to the Exciter System...
For example, in my setup, I can rotate the Magnetic Field with just 12 Volts and some milliamps to the small motor Rotary Switch system...while this rotation will trigger the excitement system to start generating on the exciter coils back and forth exchange for up to 170 Volts and 2.0 Amps...
It is simple...it could be done Guys!!
I am working on having also a belt of magnets which will "act" as the PMG on a 3 Phase Generator exciter armature...except, it will be rotated just by the 3 phase system from its exciter coils...then inducing the output coils.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 12:15:40 PM
No rotating parts, you say. Then you need a power supply. Just connect it to your field coils.
There are no exciter coils, so no wire gauge, turns, resistance, inductance, etc. Just use the power supply to properly excite the field.
bi
But I do have a "rotating part"!!...only that it is virtual...no mass... ;)
And that is what we do NOT need, an External Power Supply to excite the Inducing Fields!!
By just spinning the Field, we should be able to generate bigger power and store it on Caps, which would be constantly replenished, keeping exciter rotor ON at all times.
Only external supply required would be to the rotating circuit, whether a small motor, or the solid state system, both easy to be fed back from main output..."nickel and dimes"...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 10:55:55 AM
This System starts by itself, based on a small charge on Cap, as also some magnetic reminiscence on the rotor core steel...and starts developing a FULL CHARGE of its Inducing Field very fast...
Yes, this was used in the electrical equipment of motorcycles in the 50s and 70s.
If the motorcycle was in the barn for several years, the rotor would demagnetize and it would not start.
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 03:04:34 AM
Thanks SL,
So then you have output voltage of 20Vpp. I see it is not sinusoidal, but for an rms value, let's pretend, giving 7.07 volts. You said to use a 1 kOhm load. That figures to 50 mW output, assuming unity pf.
For input, I fully realize what you're saying, that is why my first attempt requested a current density. Surely there has to be a figure used for, or from the CAE. Is it correct for me to use the figure of 1 amp with 300 T/c as you stated previously? I guess I'll use 1Arms.
bi
bi,
Note that I abruptly terminated this discussion after realizing your "expert arm-chair engineering" had
nothing to do with the device being discussed nor how the device operates and its purpose or application,
including any concept or knowledge of the design methods, techniques and tools used.
Current density relates, for the most part, to the design of synchronous generators. It influences, to some
extent, the reactance values and short circuit current. The mass of copper, copper losses, efficiency,
manufacturing, operating and total costs. In some speciality literature graphs and charts, as well as
mathematical programs, are used to show optimal values, generally in the kVA range.
This has little or nothing to do with the LinGen or HES, since these are NOT synchronous generators. Trying
to apply a current density criteria to these devices is out-of-scope and yields results of little or no value.
This was the final dead give away.
It was also quickly realized in what direction the discussion was headed. The same direction as nearly all
discussions on these forums ends up when an arm-chair expert attempts to impress with their new found
wikipedia expertise but they know little or nothing about the subject at hand.
Been down this road a thousand times and every trip is a waste and results in nothing of value.
Thats the way I see it - based on a wealth of experience dealing with LARPs with no concept of the subject.
Best solution is to simply agree and walk away! Any attempt at rehabilitation is futile and it fills pages and
pages with mindless nonsense.
SL
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 12:32:41 PM
But I do have a "rotating part"!!...only that it is virtual...no mass... ;)
And that is what we do NOT need, an External Power Supply to excite the Inducing Fields!!
By just spinning the Field, we should be able to generate bigger power and store it on Caps, which would be constantly replenished, keeping exciter rotor ON at all times.
Only external supply required would be to the rotating circuit, whether a small motor, or the solid state system, both easy to be fed back from main output..."nickel and dimes"...
Ufopolitics
OK. Sounds like you have your solution.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on January 11, 2023, 12:49:47 PM
bi,
Note that I abruptly terminated this discussion after realizing your "expert arm-chair engineering" had
nothing to do with the device being discussed nor how the device operates and its purpose or application,
including any concept or knowledge of the design methods, techniques and tools used.
Current density relates, for the most part, to the design of synchronous generators. It influences, to some
extent, the reactance values and short circuit current. The mass of copper, copper losses, efficiency,
manufacturing, operating and total costs. In some speciality literature graphs and charts, as well as
mathematical programs, are used to show optimal values, generally in the kVA range.
This has little or nothing to do with the LinGen or HES, since these are NOT synchronous generators. Trying
to apply a current density criteria to these devices is out-of-scope and yields results of little or no value.
This was the final dead give away.
It was also quickly realized in what direction the discussion was headed. The same direction as nearly all
discussions on these forums ends up when an arm-chair expert attempts to impress with their new found
wikipedia expertise but they know little or nothing about the subject at hand.
Been down this road a thousand times and every trip is a waste and results in nothing of value.
Thats the way I see it - based on a wealth of experience dealing with LARPs with no concept of the subject.
Best solution is to simply agree and walk away! Any attempt at rehabilitation is futile and it fills pages and
pages with mindless nonsense.
SL
SL,
So you really don't have those pants. And continue believing current density is irrelevant. Feel the same about flux density? You can't even give a simple answer to the turns count. Or input power. Good luck with that prototype.
See ya.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 12:25:34 PM
Hello,
Point is that if we completely remove the Output Coils of a Generator...and rotate its exciter rotor, the Energy would be produced at its Stator Feedback Coils and sent back to keep rotor energized...and that is the point, all we need to do is spin the Magnetic Field...without ANY EXTERNAL Input directly to the Exciter System...
For example, in my setup, I can rotate the Magnetic Field with just 12 Volts and some milliamps to the small motor Rotary Switch system...while this rotation will trigger the excitement system to start generating on the exciter coils back and forth exchange for up to 170 Volts and 2.0 Amps...
It is simple...it could be done Guys!!
I am working on having also a belt of magnets which will "act" as the PMG on a 3 Phase Generator exciter armature...except, it will be rotated just by the 3 phase system from its exciter coils...then inducing the output coils.
Regards
Ufopolitics
QuoteFor example, in my setup, I can rotate the Magnetic Field with just 12 Volts and some milliamps to the small motor Rotary Switch system...while this rotation will trigger the excitement system to start generating on the exciter coils back and forth exchange for up to 170 Volts and 2.0 Amps...
Ufo,
But you have power fed to the generator field thru the brushes and comm driven by the small 12V motor. So it is hardly getting 340W out for 12V*some mA input. How much power have you been able to draw off of the generator armature?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 01:26:43 PM
Ufo,
But you have power fed to the generator field thru the brushes and comm driven by the small 12V motor. So it is hardly getting 340W out for 12V*some mA input. How much power have you been able to draw off of the generator armature?
bi
Yes Bi, and that is exactly where the problem of that device is, you just wrote it above.
I am using one single, same circuit, to spin+feed exciting field plus to induce output coils.It is unlike a Generator which have the exciting circuit COMPLETELY SEPARATED from the Output Circuit
.It will never render excess energy that way.
Imagine you will have a Generator, without any exciting circuit, then you will need to feed EXTERNALLY 170 Volts DC to obtain 120 Volts AC at Output...
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 02:22:50 PM
Yes Bi, and that is exactly where the problem of that device is, you just wrote it above.
I am using one single, same circuit, to spin+feed exciting field plus induce output coils.
It is unlike a Generator which have the exciting circuit COMPLETELY SEPARATED from the Output Circuit.
It will never render excess energy that way.
Imagine you will have a Generator, without any exciting circuit, then you will need to feed EXTERNALLY 170 Volts DC to obtain 120 Volts AC at Output...
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
Yes, exactly.
I can not tell you how to get excess energy from iron atoms. SL claims to be able to get it using CAE. And he says it's found in Holcomb's literature and patents, but I can't pin him down. So until someone replicates it or divulges the secret, we're kept guessing.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 02:41:41 PM
Ufo,
Yes, exactly.
I can not tell you how to get excess energy from iron atoms. SL claims to be able to get it using CAE. And he says it's found in Holcomb's literature and patents, but I can't pin him down. So until someone replicates it or divulges the secret, we're kept guessing.
bi
For those who might have forgotten their "Middle School Physics."
(follow the links on the page if you need more)
Britannica - magnetic field strength:
https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength (https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength)
SL AH HA -
The "SECRET" was finally revealed during a Grade 8 Physics Lesson! ;)
(see the bold type) Hate to sound like an AH, but jeezz... come on already.
And your Tesla (Gauss) Meter can actually measure that field around the soft iron core!
And that (moving) magnetic field can actually induce a current in a coil near the soft iron core (poles).
LOL
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 11, 2023, 04:09:51 PM
LOL
So, big guy, you think that's funny aye - well now what - the secret is out -no one is safe anymore!
;D >:( 8) Sorry couldn't help it!
BTW, some nice informative post lately - thanks.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 11, 2023, 04:01:01 PM
For those who might have forgotten their "Middle School Physics."
(follow the links on the page if you need more)
Britannica - magnetic field strength:
https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength (https://www.britannica.com/science/magnetic-field-strength)
SL
AH HA - The "SECRET" was finally revealed during a Grade 8 Physics Lesson! ;)
(see the bold type) Hate to sound like an AH, but jeezz... come on already.
And your Tesla (Gauss) Meter can actually measure that field around the soft iron core!
And that (moving) magnetic field can actually induce a current in a coil near the soft iron core (poles).
Hi SL,
If magnetic permeability (u) was an energy gain mechanism as you think, why then is Holcomb's device only 2 to 5 times overunity and not a few thousand?
H is not energy
B is not energy
B= u
Hu is not energy gain.
bi
ps. Look it up. A place to start is:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy
I know how much love you wikipedia, so please search further and learn the facts and truth. I see wikipedia lists Dr. Feynman as a reference. Perhaps he can explain it to you.
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 05:04:05 PM
Hi SL,
If magnetic permeability (u) was an energy gain mechanism as you think, why then is Holcomb's device only 2 to 5 times overunity and not a few thousand?
H is not energy
B is not energy
B= uH
u is not energy gain.
bi
ps. Look it up. A place to start is:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy)
I know how much love you wikipedia, so please search further and learn the facts and truth. I see wikipedia lists Dr. Feynman as a reference. Perhaps he can explain it to you.
No idea and don't care - take it up with your Grade 8 Science Teacher or Britanica or the Board of Education Physics Course developers.
Yes, I'd like to know too.
The assumption is: There exists a gain function.
What is the gain function? The formula? What does this formula most closely match up to? Are there other methods to utilize this same gain function?
Lastly, how could we have missed this (even by accident) in all the engineering solutions over the last century?
If those questions cannot be satisfactorily answered, then the HES is magic or shall we say, an illusion with all the connotations associated with such a trick.
I surely know if I had several million dollars to invest in Holcomb Research, I would want those questions answered well before any checks get signed by me. I'd also want to see the Return on Investment documentation that describes a timeline as to when I can begin to recoup some of my investment, that would obviously include estimated sales under Net 30 Day purchase orders. Those "Happy Customers" are only happy because they got their money's worth and they don't pay otherwise.
Give them a call and ask.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 11, 2023, 05:25:59 PM
No idea and don't care - take it up with your Grade 8 Science Teacher or Britanica or the Board of Education Physics Course developers.
SL,
A better idea, rather than using your grade 8 science level, let's use Tom Lipo's book which you referenced a week or so ago. Here's a link to a preview which in fact has a few complete sections in chapter 1 pertinent to the subject at hand.
https://tinyurl.com/mrxt867h
I'll paste a taste of the magnetic energy section. You can also find the importance of
J, reason I inquired of current density. It appears he covers Maxwell's equations in depth as relating to dynamo design. No doubt this would enlighten you as to why this method results in conformity to conservation laws without relying on them.
BTW, I've been impressed with Dr. Lipo and even had a brief exchange with him years ago about a unique motor topology. I trust his book is of the upmost quality.
bi
Dog-one
QuoteWhat is the gain function? The formula? What does this formula most closely match up to? Are there other methods to utilize this same gain function?
Since energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed the energy gain must be a transformation of some kind.
QuoteLastly, how could we have missed this (even by accident) in all the engineering solutions over the last century?
How did we miss the thousands of other new discoveries being made every day and as we speak?. If you listen to the people actually making all the new discoveries they were trying to learn something new. Thus the ability to learn and educate ourselves must be the way forward.
QuoteIf those questions cannot be satisfactorily answered, then the HES is magic or shall we say, an illusion with all the connotations associated with such a trick.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"- Arthur C. Clarke
AC
I want to clarify a little:
Working principle (by generating electromagnetic field, electrical energy) Electromechanical synchronous generator and solid state electromagnetic generator Dr. Holcomb work on the same principle. The difference in the control of the movement of the magnetic field (magnetic flux / fluxes): in the electromechanical power rotation of the rotor in the stator with overcoming the electromagnetic attraction between the rotor and the stator; in Dr. Holcomb's machine, this movement is organized by switching a system of electromagnets.
A feature of the operating state of such machines is a rotating constant magnetic field/flux in saturation mode. The magnetic field of the generator is formed by two sources of the magnetic excitation system and phase currents, which add up to one stream.
Thus, Dr. Holcomb, with his ingenious solution, fulfilled the conditions for the operation of a synchronous electromechanical generator. What I like the most is the "split statement" of physics that a generator is a converter of mechanical energy into electrical energy.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitWqtBG-Xja8dRambo9VSIi0LpMaieLTWuvZyVN_Ybmp1nL0o0cdIfzOqGYyRPhQmmICpT5fIBZ6R-CK0jEGONbJu7ghpuVHWG3nZBtnnZR8LTwNfkgf_o5dlzIsFXe0_2Zua0mex5i7sf8TpfymOBmiaB7qSwH1fCpYpwRrCx9iZ9fv7yrkNe7yTI/s1034/2022-05-26_21233111.jpg
PS
As for the Holcomb model (a generator similar to a powerbank), I expressed my opinion, including based on my parallel study, which has been ongoing for more than a year since 2018 (theory and practice). I found the errors, besides, found the solution and was able to figure out how to do it. At the same time, it immediately became clear how Figuera could do this. It remains to confirm or verify the solution or error. The latest discovery is consistent with all the postulates of the design of electrical machines.
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 05:04:05 PM
Hi SL,
If magnetic permeability (u) was an energy gain mechanism as you think, why then is Holcomb's device only 2 to 5 times overunity and not a few thousand?
H is not energy
B is not energy
B= uH
u is not energy gain.
bi
ps. Look it up. A place to start is:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy
I know how much love you wikipedia, so please search further and learn the facts and truth. I see wikipedia lists Dr. Feynman as a reference. Perhaps he can explain it to you.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetization-of-steel-magnetic.html
QuoteFerromagnetic materials, such as iron, cobalt, nickel and their alloys, steel, etc., are widely used in various electrical machines and apparatus to amplify the magnetic field and give it a certain shape.
If a ferromagnetic material is placed in the coil and an electric current is passed through its turns, then under the influence of the magnetic field created by the current, the material is magnetized. This means that the material has its own magnetic field, obtained as a result of the addition of magnetic fields (magnetic moments) of individual atoms.
QuoteMagnetic field strength, also calledmagnetic intensity or magnetic field intensity, the part of the magnetic field in a material that arises from an external current and is not intrinsic to the material itself. It is expressed as the vector H and is measured in units of amperes per metre. The definition of H is H = B/μ − M, where B is the magnetic flux density, a measure of the actual magnetic field within a material considered as a concentration of magnetic field lines, or flux, per unit cross-sectional area; μ is the magnetic permeability; and M is the magnetization. The magnetic field H might be thought of as the magnetic field produced by the flow of current in wires and the magnetic field B as the total magnetic field including also the contribution M made by the magnetic properties of the materials in the field. When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetizing field H is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be thousands of times stronger because B is greatlyenhanced by the alignment of the iron's tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field.
EMF in the generator phase is determined through two formulas: E =
Bm*L*V; E = - (
Bm*S) / dt; where
Bm is already our enhanced magnetic field of the ferro material.
The question is not for physics, she already claims that the ferro material strengthens and creates its own field greater than the excitation. A question for an engineering solution to get more output.
I will even say more (if we do not take into account the mechanical costs of overcoming the magnetic attraction of the rotor / stator in the generator, but only the costs of excitation and phase output), all generators are OU.
Repeating two posts from a few pages back.
Change in Magnetic Field Amplitude VERSUS Change in Magnetic Field Direction
[Note the differences in {signal} output]
Change in Magnetic Field Amplitude: - Positive only or Negative only Pulse (does not cross zero): {also used in Figuera}
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572781/#msg572781 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572781/#msg572781)
Change in Field Direction: - Moving Magnet (N <-> S) or an AC Signal:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572792/#msg572792 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572792/#msg572792)
A programmable Controller (Microprocessor, Driver and MOSFET or SiCFET) can be programmed to accomplish either of the above;
and many other exotic combinations of input signals, with any desired time sequences and delays.
Set a variable for the parameters and change these on-the-fly using a display and rotory switch or touch screen for experimenting
and adjusting (tuning). Also, a bit more circuitry and you could adjust the Input Pulse or AC Voltage and Current levels, etc..
SL
Pick an Electrical Steel with a steep B-H Curve (small H -> large B). See the attached
example (informational only) GO-35ZH135 (Grain Oriented).
Pay careful attention to all the B-H Loop characteristics (B saturation, B remanance, Hc coercivity)
as well as 1. 2. 3. 4. & 5. as shown in the loop below (informational only).
The goal is efficiency with as high as possible output. The "steel" is key with respect to gains
and losses.
Note: Laminations, as per motor fabrication, can cause losses up to ~ 5%
[Laser Cutting vs Stamping apparently helps a bit] (informational only).
SL
Good Luck
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 12, 2023, 12:46:08 AM
The question is not for physics, she already claims that the ferro material strengthens and creates its own field greater than the excitation. A question for an engineering solution to get more output.
The fact that the field is stronger in iron is clear. But we need not in iron, but in another, secondary winding. Probably when the field enters the iron, it intensifies, and when it exits towards the other winding, it weakens again. Is this the problem?
SL you just don't understand a little what you're dealing with. Any control scheme is secondary, to the system of a controlled process it is secondary. I'll give you a simple example. The definition of mass is a measure of the inertia of matter. the magnetic field is matter. Imagine that you have a flywheel and you spin it to the maximum. Then you need to change the direction of rotation of the flywheel. The same must be done with the magnetic flux, the magnetic field is matter. Mathematics sometimes plays a cruel joke in understanding processes.
This is just an episode of many processes in the solid state generator system.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 12, 2023, 03:23:53 AM
SL you just don't understand a little what you're dealing with. Any control scheme is secondary, to the system of a controlled process it is secondary. I'll give you a simple example. The definition of mass is a measure of the inertia of matter. the magnetic field is matter. Imagine that you have a flywheel and you spin it to the maximum. Then you need to change the direction of rotation of the flywheel. The same must be done with the magnetic flux, the magnetic field is matter. Mathematics sometimes plays a cruel joke in understanding processes.
This is just an episode of many processes in the solid state generator system.
Rakarskiy,
Check out the simulation animated gifs presented in the OUR Holcomb thread - the flux in the LinGen "rolls." The sequence
is set by the controller (microprocessor timing sequence).
Maybe your confused when I say "Controller" - it's the STM32xxx microcontroller or microprocessor that feeds the
Drivers and MOSFETS and sets the timing and sequence. Other than that - no clue as to what you're referring to.
Flywheels, control schemes, mass, direction of rotation, matter - cruel jokes - understanding processes - WTF?
There are quite a few of them so here's a link to a list: (can not post animated gifs on this forum)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442)
And, yea I do understand what I'm dealing with, both with respect to the LinGen, HES and some of the posters here.
It's been analyzed and simulated many times and it works. Mass, inertial and matter are not relavent. basically, I have
no idea what your talking about or trying to convey. Sorry!
SL
Actually I re-read your post, and IMHO your drunk - - - so now I jealous! :P
:) ;)
If the time has not come to realize everything, do not rush.
I won't insist.
Why is the transformer not "OU"? there is also flux linkage and an increase in the magnetic flux in the core.
By the way, the simulator does not correctly calculate the flux linkage in the transformer when the primary and secondary are wound over the first. The simulator will show you that the field is not in the kernel, but it is.
Any program is an episode of mathematical calculation based on the understanding of the operator's processes.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 12, 2023, 03:21:36 AM
The fact that the field is stronger in iron is clear. But we need not in iron, but in another, secondary winding. Probably when the field enters the iron, it intensifies, and when it exits towards the other winding, it weakens again. Is this the problem?
The problem is in the exact knowledge of the processes, what is presented in education is very superficial. Basically, these are instructions on how to calculate the device, according to already proven methods. But - what and how is happening there, far away - is not disclosed. I concluded that accurate knowledge of the processes is part of the so-called "closing technologies"
I think that the gain mechanism in a HES might be that the HES behaves like a
Saturable reactor (mag amp) because most of the poles are on and saturates the core.
"When the core is unsaturated, it causes the coil acts as high impedance that supports a large voltage with little or no current. When saturated, the coil impedance drops to almost zero and allows current to flow with very little voltage drop."
We take the output phase of the generator (let it be one phase). We have a load of 1 kW at a mains voltage of 220V and a frequency of 50Hz (in order not to complicate things, we omit the frequency).
If you measure the maximum voltage at the generator terminals, then it should be 220V, the current at maximum full load 1000W / 220V = 4.55A
Let's say the resistance of the generator winding is 4 ohms, the load resistance is 220V / 4.55A = 48.3 ohms.
We can find out the EMF of the generator at the peak from the current formula for a given action.
I = (E-U) / (R +r)
4.55A = (? - 220 V) / (48.3 ohm + 4 ohm)
We need to find out the level of voltage drop in the circuit from the formula: Ui = (R+r)*I = (48.3 ohm + 4 ohm)* 4.55A = 239,8V
E = U+Ui = 220V + 239.8V = 459.8V
I = (E-U) / (R +r)
4.55A = (459.8V - 220 V) / (48.3 ohm + 4 ohm)
What is the voltage drop to zero?
First LinGen Application
Appears to be very popular amongst OU posters!
This is incredible....
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/3488489704718846
Keep an eye out for press releases from Astra Energy ASRE . It's been several months since they formed the joint venture.
When they announce a manufacturer has been selected, you will soon after be able to purchase an ILPG and reverse engineer it..
IMO
LL
Quote from: kolbacict on January 12, 2023, 03:21:36 AM
The fact that the field is stronger in iron is clear. But we need not in iron, but in another, secondary winding. Probably when the field enters the iron, it intensifies, and when it exits towards the other winding, it weakens again. Is this the problem?
Kolbacict,
"Magnetic Circuits"
These are, in some sense, similar to Electric Circuits. Many differing schemes and configurations.
Can be a "big" subject and beyond the scope here, for me at least. Gets complex real fast.
Some CAE snap-shots were posted previously.
Magnetic Circuits are worth a study however, as it's all quite interesting!
SL
Here is a method for calculating a synchronous generator (Russian site), I think you can use a translator, but a translator is not needed for formulas.
https://studbooks.net/2116779/matematika_himiya_fizika/raschet_sinhronnogo_generatora
Introduction
Rating Calculation
Stator sizing
Calculation of the tooth zone of the stator. Segmentation
Calculation of slots and stator winding
Air gap selection. Rotor pole calculation
Calculation of the damper winding
Magnetic circuit calculation
Determination of the parameters of the stator winding for steady state operation
Calculation of the MMF of the excitation winding under load. vector diagram
Excitation winding calculation
Determination of parameters and time constants of windings
Calculation of masses of active materials
Determination of losses and efficiency
Stator winding temperature rise calculation
Determination of short circuit currents
Calculation and construction of generator characteristics
List of sources used
Quote from: bistander on January 11, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
... let's use Tom Lipo's book which you referenced a week or so ago. Here's a link to a preview which in fact has a few complete sections in chapter 1 pertinent to the subject at hand.
https://tinyurl.com/mrxt867h
Re. Magnetic Circuits.
I apologize that tiny url link was corrupted in the quoted post. Dr. Lipo has a couple sections in chapter 1 on this subject, 1-24 and 1-28. Hopefully this link will take you to the book preview. Unfortunately the preview only goes thru 1-19. https://tinyurl.com/TomLipoBook
bi
Lots of good Magnetic Circuit information is available
but it is not really a subject in and of itself - it's more inter-related
by its nature! pdfdrivedotcom e.g practical_transformer_handbook...
Some others as well - see above post(s).
Within your literature - target a search [within a document]
for "magnetic circuit" etc...
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
Best Wishes and Good Times for 2023
Quote from: kolbacict on January 12, 2023, 03:21:36 AM
The fact that the field is stronger in iron is clear. But we need not in iron, but in another, secondary winding. Probably when the field enters the iron, it intensifies, and when it exits towards the other winding, it weakens again. Is this the problem?
That first answer wasn't very good, was it? "Magnetic Circuit" kind of explains the phenomena,
what ever that is. Had to think on that one abit for a {hopefully} more fundamental view.
Try this -> The magnetic field "in" the iron is like the magnetic field in a bar magnet.
The field, - ""as we see it"" - , is not really "in" the "iron" or "bar;" it's the field in close proximity to, or
around, the iron or around a permanent bar magnet. If 'the field were only inside the iron or bar, it would
not do us much good. Atomic Magnetic Domains reside within the iron (a.k.a. sort iron or electrical steel)
and is easily magnetized and de-magnetized, whereas a permanent magnet bar will maintain it's magnatism.
The magnetic field will also "couple" between other unattached "iron" close by. The space
seperating these two, or more, "irons" (the gap) results in losses - that's where the "Magnetic Circuit" analysis
helps us to determine those losses and adjust our design accordingly (e.g. saturation, etc.).
Note we can control the (magnetic) field around the iron but the (magnetic) field around the
permanent bar magnet is always there. Also, since the "u" in air is a lot less than that found in metals, often
times it's almost invisible in CAE simulation cartoons, even for small "gaps," but the Field will traverse
from one "iron" to another close adjacent "iron," and in some cases the gap loss with not be much.
The field rapidly falls in air (air u~0) so we configure our pick-up windings (induced) in the "close
adjacent" iron in some fashion that affords good/reasonable magnetic field coupling with the windings.
If we left the pick-up windings in the air close to the "inducing iron" the coupling would be very inefficient,
plus the field would be partially blocked by the close copper layer and the outer copper layes would see
much less of the magnetic field. This appears to have been a drawback in the early Gramme generators.
Instead, we surround (as best we can) the pick-up coils (LAP) by the coupled magnetic field from the Rotor
Coil Poles to capture as much of the field as we can (e.g. by using stator slots). Lots of various schemes
for this but that's the basic idea.
Sounds simple enough; but these basic things seem to stump, it appears, even some of the experts here!
Edit: added clairifications and corrected spelling errors.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 12, 2023, 04:24:59 AM
:) ;)
If the time has not come to realize everything, do not rush.
I won't insist.
Why is the transformer not "OU"? there is also flux linkage and an increase in the magnetic flux in the core.
By the way, the simulator does not correctly calculate the flux linkage in the transformer when the primary and secondary are wound over the first. The simulator will show you that the field is not in the kernel, but it is.
Any program is an episode of mathematical calculation based on the understanding of the operator's processes.
Here's a link to an OUR post to a fellow regarding CAE simulation that you might find interesting as you ponder your
belief that "the simulator does not correctly calculate the flux linkage..."
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg103267#msg103267 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg103267#msg103267)
Also, the simulators I use do not seem to have any problems providing very accurate results throughout
pretty much any EM structure. Some preliminary results have been posted both here and at OUR.
You claim the simulator doesn't function as expected but I can not varify that since you do not specify what simulator
you are refering to nor present any examples or references.
The subject of transformer "OU" has been discussed probably a dozen times both here and in the OUR thread so I won't
address it again.
Hey, you may well have a correct method of anlyzing the HES devices, BUT also consider there may be more than one method
that works equally well, or possibly even better.
I have not looked into your approach in detail since I have not really seen it yet anywhere. And, I have a method that already
works for me. Plus many others are getting varifyable results with this method as well.
CAE accounts for the many parameters internally and provides results. The basic output characteristics are built-in, others are
on demand, while a full function calculator is available for any exotic mathematical calculations. For a typical analysis there's no
need to do mathematical calculations - you simply enter your physical 3D model and set the input parameters (Voltage or Current
and Signal timing sequences). This avoids any mathematical errors and ensures the problem is set up properly.
Hello SL!
The magnetic circuit, the programs consider it very well (there are deviations, but this is rather the reason for the correct data entry, they all have the same methodology).
There are many other things that systems don't take into account. These algorithms are probably the technological know-how of certain design bureaus. Design offices develop real devices, and it is impossible that the developers do not know the exact principle of operation.
In my previous post ( https://studbooks.net/2116779/matematika_himiya_fizika/raschet_sinhronnogo_generatora)
QuoteCurrently, synchronous generators are the main source of electricity. Their power ranges from a few kilowatts to hundreds of thousands of kilowatts. Synchronous generators are installed in thermal and hydroelectric power plants, aircraft, ships, they are equipped with various mobile sources of electricity.
The main properties of a synchronous generator are given by the characteristics that determine the relationship between the voltage at the armature terminals, the excitation current, the load current at rated speed and a constant power factor in steady state. I posted a design algorithm for calculating a synchronous generator. But there is no what and how happens in the generator. There are dependencies. Before you can understand how Holcomb systems work, you need to know perfectly the source of operation of a synchronous electromechanical generator.
The design of an electrical machine is an ambiguous task, since the number of initial calculation equations describing electromagnetic connections in it is less than the number of unknown quantities. Therefore, the nominal data can be provided with various ratios of the main dimensions and electromagnetic loads of the machine. The optimal result largely depends on the experience of the designer and is usually achieved by comparing several options. As a universal criterion of optimality, the minimum of total costs is most often taken, i.e. cost of materials, manufacturing and operation costs. Operating costs, in turn, depend on efficiency, power factor, quality, maintainability and a number of other factors.
To design, you first need to know exactly how a synchronous mechanical power generator works. They have a common algorithm with Holcomb.
As for the Holcomb system in the dimension of the power bank, I expressed my opinion, it is based on research on symmetrical Holcomb models. I found my bug, I don't think what I listed as a bug Holcomb has as a working technology. But I do not insist that I am right, I just expressed my opinion.
Sincerely!
Hello to All,
Yes Rakarskiy, I agree that the most important "components" of a Generator are hidden from public view, and that includes the exact and precise "know how" to design and build them.
And of course the Manufacturers of Generators must know all these Algorithms, the Formulas, etc,etc...but it is obvious is NOT on Public Domain.
And here I will point out to ,maybe, one of the most important parts or STAGE of a Generator, that we ALL may have overlooked. As it is present in ANY Generator on the Market.
THE EXCITER SYSTEMS
Even a small, 800 Watts, single phase Home Generator have an Exciter System. And on the huge, Industrial types, the Exciter System is even more complex.
And regardless of the type of Rotation we try to do, whether physical-mechanical or Solid State, (which I call it "Virtual Rotation or Displacement of the Field")...
WE WILL ALWAYS NEED TO HAVE AN EXCITER SYSTEM, before We start Rotation of the Field.
Over the years I have noticed every single failed attempt to run an Overunity Generator (including myself, on Figuera and a similar to HES System)...We have always try doing it STRAIGHT FORWARD, without an Exciter System "in between".
So, We have ZERO PRE-AMP STAGE, We are just running our Input Power DIRECTLY to the Generator Main Components. Fighting it to try to achieve excess energy...and we will NEVER, EVER do it that way!!
An Exciter System on a Generator NEVER TURNS OFF during its Operation!!...So, it is not like a "Starter Motor" works on an ICE Engine, that once Engine starts, it shuts down completely...absolutely NOT!!
On the contrary, IF we take off or simply disconnect the Exciter System from absolutely ANY Generator, it would never, ever generate ANY Output, no matter how fast we speed up the Magnetic Field!!
The Exciter System on a Generator is in charge to AMPLIFY/MULTIPLY the Currents and Voltage that go to the Main Generator Rotor for Output, by just simple Rotation of the Magnetic Field, at ALL TIMES DURING OPERATION!!
So, no matter what type of Rotation of the Field we try to design and build...We always need to have an Exciter System there.
So, I highly believe, in order to be successful, We must work harder than anywhere else, on that particular, but essential component of a Generator.
IMHO, the Exciter System are the "Pistons" we all have been looking for...or the "Gain Mechanism(s)" to reach Overunity or Excess of Energy over our Inputs.
I will leave it here...is up to you all to follow my advice or just ignore it...I will prove my point very soon.
Ufopolitics
Edit 1: On the Image is shown a THREE STAGE EXCITER SYSTEM including the Main Generator Rotor Coils "Field" on img+Exciter Stator Coils at "Armature" (as written on image shown) for a 3 phase Generator from 100 to 200 Kw...please realize that "Field Rotation" could be done either Physically or Virtually...
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 14, 2023, 10:09:29 AM
...
(including the Main Generator Rotor Coils (Field)+Exciter Stator Coils at Armature)
...
Ufo,
The Exciter Stator Coils are its Field, not its Armature.
bi
Hi Fellows,
Not being that familiar with conventional generators or motors I appreciate all your insight.
However, after studying the HES to some extent I think I will go with Dr. Holcomb's disclosures
as outlined below from his Technical Summary, also attached.
A Partial Quote from the last paragraph on page 2. of this document:
"Aligning and relaxing the alignment of the magnetic domains does nothing to the electrical steel. All
generators operate by taking advantage of this alignment mechanism. However, the standard generator
rotor only aligns the domains one time at start-up, and then gets no further energy advantage from the
aligning process. In comparison, the HES aligns the domains and relaxes the alignment, and re-aligns and
relaxes continuously every 4 milliseconds. Therefore we get the magnification effect 250 times per second."
Dr. Holcomb has also mentioned the "250 times per second re-alignment" on several occassions and in other comments. On
it's face this sequence and technique appears to make sense as well.
Analysis of the HES Controller does not show any "always ON" scheme, that I could find, however there may be part of the
circuit in one of the patents, I believe, that is designed to capture BEMF.
(Sorry for the "red text" but this board does not have a convienient underline that I can find - resizing images to fit is my limit)
SL
Quote from: bistander on January 14, 2023, 01:14:15 PM
Ufo,
The Exciter Stator Coils are its Field, not its Armature.
bi
Hello Bistander,
Yes, I missed to write down in that sentence "
according to image shown".
If you notice at the image, where it shows "main generator" in a green square done by me, the two outer rectangles with windings loops are named "armature" as in the center (supposed to be the rotor, is called "field" (unless it is an Outrunner, which I doubt very much)
What I was trying to convey, is that if you notice there are 3 wires running from GCU (Generator Control Unit) to the so called "armatures" on the outer side...so I am assuming there are also Exciter Coils there as well.
GCU do not need to run wires to Generator main frame stators, unless it is going to exciting fields.
By sending the DC Power to Rotor via the rotating rectifier is enough for generator to work fine.
Anyways, I guess it is a wrong writing at that image...that btw, it was you who posted it on Citfta's Thread yesterday.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@SolarLab,
Hello friend,
I have commented way back about this explanation from HES...IMHO, it is not fully correct.
First, typical generators (ever since they were invented) do not align the steel domains "only at startup" but at all times during their operation.
Every half rotor turn (for a two pole and every 45º for four poles), or whenever they reverse their polarity (N-S) by changing rotational positioning related to stators, they are reversing all magnetic domains at steel cores on stator.
Now, the claim "Eliminating Reverse Torque" is an obvious one, since HES Generator claims after "not having any moving parts"...and torque is always a component of any existing rotational or linear displacement movement.
Resuming, even though steel does enhances and strengthtens magnetic fields, IMHO, it is not the direct and real main cause to justify the "excess power over input".
The real reason for any type of machines configuration like HES to be overunity, relies on the simple fact to spin or displace the magnetic field "virtually", not physically, meaning not involving any rotary steel and copper mass, hence, not depending on the Internal Combustion Engines any more, to rotate the weightless, massless magnetic field.
But more likely, I am very sure at HES they know all that very well, and simply because the "Saint Inquisition Laws" at the Patent Office, where it is a "Felony of Third Degree" to even mention that the ICE would be totally eliminated, and no longer required of their "services"...would be a very solid justification to deny the granting of any Patent in the USA.
Even though, the granting of all HES Patents includes a classification labeled within the "Alleged Perpetua Mobilia Status" tag.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 14, 2023, 01:53:26 PM
Hello Bistander,
Yes, I missed to write down in that sentence "according to image shown".
If you notice at the image, where it shows "main generator" in a green square done by me, the two outer rectangles with windings loops are named "armature" as in the center (supposed to be the rotor, is called "field" (unless it is an Outrunner, which I doubt very much)
What I was trying to convey, is that if you notice there are 3 wires running from GCU (Generator Control Unit) to the so called "armatures" on the outer side...so I am assuming there are also Exciter Coils there as well.
GCU do not need to run wires to Generator main frame stators, unless it is going to exciting fields.
By sending the DC Power to Rotor via the rotating rectifier is enough for generator to work fine.
Anyways, I guess it is a wrong writing at that image...that btw, it was you who posted it on Citfta's Thread yesterday.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Ufo,
Notice that the 3 wires running from the main generator armature (its stator) are dashed, indicating they are feedback to the GCU to enable voltage regulation by adjustment of the rectifier taking 3ph AC from the subexcitor armature (its stator) which delivers DC to the exciter field (its stator).
bi
Ref: https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/13/11/2696
Hi all!
It was not by chance that I said that mechanical and HES work according to the same algorithm. The iron of the magnetic circuit of both generators is in maximum saturation, which can be attributed as a post-stripped magnet. How control through provocation works, since the constant field lives by constant replenishment.
The working field of the generator is created mainly due to phase currents.
Holcomb is absolutely right, the firing of the excitation and the operation of the excitation are probably different. I am not doing this yet, at the moment I am fully occupied with a transgenerator combination, where the field is controlled through electromagnets. But in any case, the main field should be from the phase current, this is the difficulty.
Now I understand the expression "construction of an electric generator, aerobatics of electrical machine design"
Sincerely.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 14, 2023, 02:18:19 PM
The real reason for any type of machines configuration like HES to be overunity, relies on the simple fact to spin or displace the magnetic field "virtually", not physically, meaning not involving any rotary steel and copper mass, hence, not depending on the Internal Combustion Engines any more, to rotate the weightless, massless magnetic field.
It also depends on how fast you spin or displace the magnetic field "virtually".
If you do it faster than 250 times per second you get more out but it depends on the
Material if you can do it. It's like the faster you move a magnet back and forth a wire the more you get.
My ferrite core can do 100000 Hz.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 14, 2023, 02:18:19 PM
@SolarLab,
Hello friend,
I have commented way back about this explanation from HES...IMHO, it is not fully correct.
First, typical generators (ever since they were invented) do not align the steel domains "only at startup" but at all times during their operation.
Every half rotor turn (for a two pole and every 45º for four poles), or whenever they reverse their polarity (N-S) by changing rotational positioning related to stators, they are reversing all magnetic domains at steel cores on stator.
Now, the claim "Eliminating Reverse Torque" is an obvious one, since HES Generator claims after "not having any moving parts"...and torque is always a component of any existing rotational or linear displacement movement.
Resuming, even though steel does enhances and strengthtens magnetic fields, IMHO, it is not the direct and real main cause to justify the "excess power over input".
The real reason for any type of machines configuration like HES to be overunity, relies on the simple fact to spin or displace the magnetic field "virtually", not physically, meaning not involving any rotary steel and copper mass, hence, not depending on the Internal Combustion Engines any more, to rotate the weightless, massless magnetic field.
But more likely, I am very sure at HES they know all that very well, and simply because the "Saint Inquisition Laws" at the Patent Office, where it is a "Felony of Third Degree" to even mention that the ICE would be totally eliminated, and no longer required of their "services"...would be a very solid justification to deny the granting of any Patent in the USA.
Even though, the granting of all HES Patents includes a classification labeled within the "Alleged Perpetua Mobilia Status" tag.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufopolitics,
Some of Holcomb's "one sentence" claims do appear to mask some underlying complex interactions but in a Tech Brief that's pretty common;
however many of the simple claims are pretty much just that - basic things that are straight forward.
As far as the "start up" claim, having viewed the inside of rotating generators with an array of Hall Sensors it appeared the magnetic environment
inside was, well, a mess of magnetic activity that never disappeared for a nano-second. There did appear to be a N-S pattern but it was quite
intermixed. On the other hand, Holcomb's device (LinGen at least) has a very distinct pattern.
Your probably right about concluding there is more to the excess power than just the steel "u" and elimination of reverse torque, air, thermal and
friction drag; but eliminating these are a very big part, especially when combining their elimination efficiently.
Your postulation regarding gasoline/deisel engine "Saint Inquistion Laws" is probably a stretch. Too many recent devices involving energy have been
patented - electric cars, wind generators, solar systems, inverter power banks, wave generators and so on - all of which no longer require an ICE.
Alleged Perpetua Mobillia status tag was (and still is) a set-back and difficult to work around - but that's understandable since perpetual motion
machines likely really don't exist (except on Netflix). Atlas Shrugged didn't even use a perpetual motion machine (hydrogen based from what I
could figure out).
Anyway, which ever way you view it IMHO the HES devices will foster a whole new way of viewing future energy sources and begin a new erra of
excitement, opportunity and discovery! I remain cautiously optomistic.
SL Feb2006 - you point out another great advantage of the HES rotating/sliding magnetic field capability!
Quote from: bistander on January 14, 2023, 03:05:51 PM
Ufo,
Notice that the 3 wires running from the main generator armature (its stator) are dashed, indicating they are feedback to the GCU to enable voltage regulation by adjustment of the rectifier taking 3ph AC from the subexcitor armature (its stator) which delivers DC to the exciter field (its stator).
bi
Ref: https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/13/11/2696 (https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/13/11/2696)
Thanks Bi,
Ok, I see what you mean, however all my last edit was referring that the gen shown on img is based on a Three (3) Exciter levels (as written on image text.
Which includes the main Generator Rotor.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Feb2006 on January 14, 2023, 03:39:55 PM
It also depends on how fast you spin or displace the magnetic field "virtually".
If you do it faster than 250 times per second you get more out but it depends on the
Material if you can do it. It's like the faster you move a magnet back and forth a wire the more you get.
My ferrite core can do 100000 Hz.
Hello Feb2006,
Unfortunately it did not work like that, at least, for all the tests I have conducted.
There is a point of the virtual rotation speed/frequency where the virtual field travels too fast for the mass response to interpret and counteract(which includes steel cores plus copper wires coils)
If you have seen all the replications of Gotoluc on the Pierre Cotnoir Thread, you will also see what I mean.
But, maybe in other setups it will work as you are saying...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 15, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
Thanks Bi,
Ok, I see what you mean, however all my last edit was referring that the gen shown on img is based on a Three (3) Exciter levels (as written on image text.
Which includes the main Generator Rotor.
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
The image text, as found in the reference, is:
QuoteFigure 1. The brushless synchronous generator—based on a three-stage electrical machine topology: the subexciter—permanent magnet generator (PMG); the brushless exciter—synchronous machine with stationary field winding, rotating armature winding and rotating diode rectifier; the main generator—synchronous machine with rotating field winding; GCU—generator control unit.
You can see it states "three-stage electrical machine topology", not 3stage exciter. There are only two exciter levels, subexciter and exciter. The main generator field is not considered an "exciter" in customary terminology. The main generator has an armature and a field, stator and rotor, either can be either. The subexciter and exciter are each a generator in themselves, whose purpose is to excite (meaning to power or supply current to) the field of the main generator.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 15, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
Hi Ufo,
You can see it states "three-stage electrical machine topology", not 3stage exciter. There are only two exciter levels, subexciter and exciter. The main generator field is not considered an "exciter" in customary terminology. The main generator has an armature and a field, stator and rotor, either can be either. The subexciter and exciter are each a generator in themselves, whose purpose is to excite (meaning to power or supply current to) the field of the main generator.
bi
Ok, thks Bi,
I see it is all about "customary terminology", plus of course, the way I interpret it...
However, I will reinforce my point over the whole thing here...the most important part that I have primarily meant on that post.
Main point here is:
We* have being doing it wrong, by sending the pulsed signals, whether AC Three Phase or with my rotary switch, to generate a Virtual Field Rotation of just the Magnetic Field
directly from our PSU's (or from the rectifier stage on image) to the inner generator static rotor...
without an existing exciter system stage built "in between".
And when I say "
We*" am referring to all attempts (by everyone who has done it) to make this happen "in our history"...So it starts from Figuera, to Pierre Cotnoir...and including myself, on all my replications of Figuera plus the ones I have been conducting lately, in similarity to HES Tech and my own, way before HES came to public domain, which are based on, exactly, the same principle of operation.
Now, I have no idea if HES is doing it with Exciters in actual devices being developed and tested, at least I have not seen it on any of his Patents...unless I have missed that part.
And, please, to all reading this, correct me if I am wrong about it.Thanks
Ufopolitics
Hello,
It is a very simple process of the exciter system...of course, once we all know how it works... :D
Quoted segments taken from: https://electricalengineeringdesigns.blogspot.com/2012/07/capacitor-excitation-system-of.html (https://electricalengineeringdesigns.blogspot.com/2012/07/capacitor-excitation-system-of.html)
QuoteThe rotor is usually of salient-pole construction as described previously, but in this case the rotor winding is shorted through a diode. On starting, the residual flux in the rotor body induces a small voltage in the stator excitation winding and a current flows through the capacitor.
In our case we do not need to depend upon "magnetic reminiscence" or residual rotor core flux...since we will be adding a low voltage 3ph AC signal to Trigger Coils, to create a spinning field. Main point is that
a current flows on Capacitor.QuoteThis current produces two waves of magnetic flux around the air gap of the generator. One wave travels in the same direction as the rotor, to create the armature reaction.
The second wave travels in a direction opposite to the rotor, and induces a voltage in the rotor windings at twice the output frequency. The current circulated in the rotor windings by this induced voltage is rectified by the diode to produce a dc current.
And here we see that this opposite wave induces a Voltage on the rotor windings at
TWICE the Output Frequency.
This Gain Mechanism is just generated in the closed loop of exciter coils plus capacitor, to DOUBLE Output Frequency, without any effect on our Input, just because it is a non directly connected system.
QuoteThis dc current increases the magnetic flux in the machine, which in turn drives more current through the stator excitation winding, which in turn produces more rotor current. This self-excitation process continues until the flux reaches a point at which the magnetic circuit is saturated, and a stable voltage results.
The process also produces an inherent AVR action, since any load current in the output stator winding induces more rotor current to offset the armature reaction effect.
This is a back and forth gain mechanism, that once we trigger it, it keeps amplifying Voltage plus Currents by our simple rotation of the field.
And whenever we load Output, we will regenerate more power on the exciter to offset armature reaction.
The more I write about these characteristics, the more I feel confident, this is what we all have been missing all along.
Ufopolitics
:)
Hi Ufopolitics,
Interesting discussion and postulation, "exciter system (ES)."
Trying to understand why and how this ES is needed in, for example, the LinGen. The simulation and mock
up doesn't have anything that resembles an ES and it works as expected.
A sliding sequenced magnetic field is generated by the Rotor Coils and enhanced by the B-H effect of the Rotor
Pole material; which creates a magnetic field in the Stator; which, in turn, induces a current in the LAP windings.
The process repeats with time spaced multiple Poles cycling the Rotor created magnetic field.
So, I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing. Input pulses generate magnetic fields which induce current in a coil.
Seems to me that the ES is only needed if there is no magnetic field in the system. But in the HES case there is an
initial, and continous, magnetic field thats sequentially provided by the Rotor Coils and Poles.
Is it possible that the ES requirement only applies to your modified version of the HES scheme?
SL
PS - Rotor and Stator coil shorting schemes apparently have been used to create excess energy in motor-generator
configurations. I've never look at them closely but they seem to use the "coil/winding shorting" to eliminate BEMF.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 15, 2023, 02:32:33 PM
Hi Ufopolitics,
Interesting discussion and postulation, "exciter system (ES)."
Trying to understand why and how this ES is needed in, for example, the LinGen. The simulation and mock
up doesn't have anything that resembles an ES and it works as expected.
A sliding sequenced magnetic field is generated by the Rotor Coils and enhanced by the B-H effect of the Rotor
Pole material; which creates a magnetic field in the Stator; which, in turn, induces a current in the LAP windings.
The process repeats with time spaced multiple Poles cycling the Rotor created magnetic field.
So, I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing. Input pulses generate magnetic fields which induce current in a coil.
Seems to me that the ES is only needed if there is no magnetic field in the system. But in the HES case there is an
initial, and continous, magnetic field thats sequentially provided by the Rotor Coils and Poles.
Is it possible that the ES requirement only applies to your modified version of the HES scheme?
SL
PS - Rotor and Stator coil shorting schemes apparently have been used to create excess energy in motor-generator
configurations. I've never look at them closely but they seem to use the "coil/winding shorting" to eliminate BEMF.
SL,
Refer to previous post of mine.
Quote from: bistander on January 15, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
... The subexciter and exciter are each a generator in themselves, whose purpose is to excite (meaning to power or supply current to) the field of the main generator.
bi
Your power supply and sequencer is your exciter.
bi
Quote from: kolbacict on January 15, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
:)
kolbacict,
In the diagram, circled member represents the rotor. In a generator, yes it rotates. In UFO's device, maybe not.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 15, 2023, 09:08:32 AM
Hello Feb2006,
Unfortunately it did not work like that, at least, for all the tests I have conducted.
There is a point of the virtual rotation speed/frequency where the virtual field travels too fast for the mass response to interpret and counteract(which includes steel cores plus copper wires coils)
If you have seen all the replications of Gotoluc on the Pierre Cotnoir Thread, you will also see what I mean.
But, maybe in other setups it will work as you are saying...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
look from 6:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLYcPVz6ug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLYcPVz6ug)
An Iron core has a higher saturation flux density so you can get away with a smaller core, or fewer turns in a low frequency design. Iron cores do suffer from circulating currents in the core however which makes them lossy at high frequencies. Iron cores are often laminated to reduce this effect.
Ferrite cores will saturate at a lower flux density but has
lower losses at high frequencies as they have much higher resistance.
Metal powder cores are kind of a best-of-both-worlds, but can be prohibitively expensive compared to ferrite or steel laminate.
It depends on the material.
My ferrite cores can do 100000 Hz without too much losses.
We'll see if they work as I think.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 15, 2023, 02:32:33 PM
PS - Rotor and Stator coil shorting schemes apparently have been used to create excess energy in motor-generator
configurations. I've never look at them closely but they seem to use the "coil/winding shorting" to eliminate BEMF.
Coil shorting takes advantage of the fact that once an inductor is energized, if you short it, it will continue to produce/hold a magnetic field until the resistance in the wire finally dissipates all the current flowing. If your wire happened to be a superconductor, the magnetic field would hold permanently, as in a permanent magnet. The use case for this technique is when you need a magnetic force to be prolonged and you don't want to exert additional power in doing so. In a motor configuration, you can see where this might be advantageous--same pull force exerted over an extended time without power consumed over that time duration. The weak point in this technique is usually in the electronics needed to implement a strategy of make-before-break with such rapid timing you don't end up blowing MOSFET transistors. Plus, when you add components in series with the circuit, you increase resistance which makes the hold time even less. Nevertheless, it can provide a measurable increase in efficiency if well implemented.
Inductors and Inductance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBFPrXiKWA)
Quote from: bistander on January 15, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
SL,
Refer to previous post of mine.
Your power supply and sequencer is your exciter.
bi
So, in summary, the LinGen and HES devices do not need, and would not bennifit from, these Exciters or Sub-Exciters.
Thus the LinGen and HES designs are, in fact, what they are, then. That's what I thought.
Could get comfusing if you mix old conventional stuff with these new Holconb techniques.
I must have missed your previous post where you explained all that.
SL
Quote from: Dog-One on January 15, 2023, 04:55:22 PM
Coil shorting takes advantage of the fact that once an inductor is energized, if you short it, it will continue to produce/hold a magnetic field until the resistance in the wire finally dissipates all the current flowing. If your wire happened to be a superconductor, the magnetic field would hold permanently, as in a permanent magnet. The use case for this technique is when you need a magnetic force to be prolonged and you don't want to exert additional power in doing so. In a motor configuration, you can see where this might be advantageous--same pull force exerted over an extended time without power consumed over that time duration. The weak point in this technique is usually in the electronics needed to implement a strategy of make-before-break with such rapid timing you don't end up blowing MOSFET transistors. Plus, when you add components in series with the circuit, you increase resistance which makes the hold time even less. Nevertheless, it can provide a measurable increase in efficiency if well implemented.
Inductors and Inductance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBFPrXiKWA)
Shorting an energized inductor will allow that inductor to hold a magnetic field - nay, there's got to more to it than just that!
But the superconductor part (0 ohms resistance) where it allows the coil to form a pseudo permanent magnet?
Personally - I kinda like the old "Tau" graphs we had to do in middle school Science and Math classes!
8)
Quote from: bistander on January 15, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
Your power supply and sequencer is your exciter.
bi
Hello Bistander,
I am guessing you were referring above, to a typical Rotary Generator Exciter, in that case, yes, that is correct.
But not to a Virtual Rotation of Field we were discussing, and that I have disclosed here and on the other Thread.
In that case the Trigger would be the sequencer (3 Phase low voltage) and the Exciter would be the amplification of sequences plus power supply increased.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: SolarLab on January 15, 2023, 05:45:53 PM
So, in summary, the LinGen and HES devices do not need, and would not bennifit from, these Exciters or Sub-Exciters.
Thus the LinGen and HES designs are, in fact, what they are, then. That's what I thought.
Could get comfusing if you mix old conventional stuff with these new Holconb techniques.
I must have missed your previous post where you explained all that.
SL
SL,
The LinGen and HES, ALL work based with exactly the same technologies related to Magnetic Field Induction, ever since Michael Faraday discovered them back in the 1800's...up to now, they are the same thing.
And so, of course they will greatly benefit from the exciter system to be incorporated to them.
Otherwise, I wouldn't being spending my precious time with all graphics and explanations in such great detail.
the Exciter System on a typical Generator, as bistander wrote before, is the PSU plus Sequencer of the Main Generator Induction Field at Rotor...but, on top of that, it is the Amplifier or Gain Mechanism, which stands up to all back forces (BEMF) and face them, by increasing its power whenever Output is loaded.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 16, 2023, 11:26:40 AM
SL,
The LinGen and HES, ALL work based with exactly the same technologies related to Magnetic Field Induction, ever since Michael Faraday discovered them back in the 1800's...up to now, they are the same thing.
And so, of course they will greatly benefit from the exciter system to be incorporated to them.
Otherwise, I wouldn't being spending my precious time with all graphics and explanations in such great detail.
the Exciter System on a typical Generator, as bistander wrote before, is the PSU plus Sequencer of the Main Generator Induction Field at Rotor...but, on top of that, it is the Amplifier or Gain Mechanism, which stands up to all back forces (BEMF) and face them, by increasing its power whenever Output is loaded.
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufopolitics,
Thanks.
In the LinGen driver output circuit, after the MosFets, there are Snubber Diodes (attached to the Stator Coils [N1-4, S1-4]). These are
not shown in the "Simplified LinGen Bock Diagram" posted earlier
( https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573159/#msg573159 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573159/#msg573159) ) but run
across each Coil input to ground. Pretty much standard FET protection from Flyback Spikes (BEMF).
This arrangement may change a bit in an effort to somehow (adding more diodes or FETs) use the Flyback Pulse to drive the
B
remanance/H
c coercivity back to H
0 for each cycle; if thats possible, or, if it is even needed - TBD. The B-H Loop was posted earlier
( https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573227/#msg573227 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573227/#msg573227) ).
On the LinGen Output side, the Stator LAP Coil feeds an Inverter circuit ( not shown on the "Simplified LinGen Bock Diagram") that
produces a regulated AC or a stabilized regulated DC Output as required. Similar to those found in modern ICE Inverter Generators
these days. Having studied these inverter types of generators a bit I haven't found any evidence of a the so called "ES" but, then
again, I wasn't looking for such a scheme. Will check again more carefully, since it may prove to be another way of boosting
output - every bit helps. Not sure where or how the "ES" would be implemented in the LinGen even if did prove to add some value.
Speaking of percious time I know exactly what you mean. The 35W Gantry Laser Cutter is here so it needs some major effort to bring
on-line in the form of cutting laminations. But first there are a few more CAE design passes that are needed to perfect the
"tooth patterns" with respect to the lamination foil materials that can be cut. Hopefully the Laser cuts OK since it was affordable.
Referencing sections in Lipo's "Introduction to AC Machine Design" book since this stuff is a bit hairy at best. Chapter 3. shows a
less complex design method for a symetrical machine, as opposed to Chapter 9.'s "Calculation of Useful Flux Per Pole method."
Hope to have a pseudo CAE "final pass" done soon so I can get a "Beta-#2" using laminations completed and ready for tests.
"Beta-#1" used a pressure molded/sintered powder SMC which was not easily reproduceable in the Lab, had to be machined
and cost a fortune in prototype quantities. That's what prompted this "in-house" Laser lamination approach.
Anyway, your notes regarding the requirement for "ES" are greatly appreciated; but to start another complication at this point
without fullly understanding the requirement, plus, considering the LinGen so far looks good the way it is, the "ES" modification
at this point is probably not needed. After a little more study and analysis if it is found to be of value, it can easily be simulated.
Going to be very busy around here for the next while! Sorry for the long rant but it should be the last one until I'm done Beta-#2.
Regards,
SL
Thanks Ok SL.
1-Does the LinGen driver signal is a DC modulated like a 3 phase through FET's?
2-Or is it a 1,2,3...# of total Poles of Primary to then repeat the sequenced DC Signal again?
In whatever ways, an ES would work fine...However, #1 would be the ideal one to build and test.
Imagine you have your very low input V&A coils as primary low signal, connected to Driver...then these coils would induce another set of coils (ES) but a bit thicker in gauge and more turns than primary, they (ES) are not connected directly to any input...they just receive an induced signal from Primaries as they (ES) are all looped to small AC Caps, each independently...and they would increase their V&A over primary.
Now these set of Coils would be the ones highly inducing the Output Coils, while your main Input will not rise, nor drop under load of Output Coils.
This is sort of like a "Pre-Amp" stage in Audio Amplifying...but more, because they also transfer the displacement of Field Signal.
It is like a "Buffer" in between Inductor-Induced Coils.
Hope this simple explanation would enlighten your view.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 16, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
Thanks Ok SL.
1-Does the LinGen driver signal is a DC modulated like a 3 phase through FET's?
2-Or is it a 1,2,3...# of total Poles of Primary to then repeat the sequenced DC Signal again?
In whatever ways, an ES would work fine...However, #1 would be the ideal one to build and test.
Imagine you have your very low input V&A coils as primary low signal, connected to Driver...then these coils would induce another set of coils (ES) but a bit thicker in gauge and more turns than primary, they (ES) are not connected directly to any input...they just receive an induced signal from Primaries as they (ES) are all looped to small AC Caps, each independently...and they would increase their V&A over primary.
Now these set of Coils would be the ones highly inducing the Output Coils, while your main Input will not rise, nor drop under load of Output Coils.
This is sort of like a "Pre-Amp" stage in Audio Amplifying...but more, because they also transfer the displacement of Field Signal.
It is like a "Buffer" in between Inductor-Induced Coils.
Hope this simple explanation would enlighten your view.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Some good ideas Ufopolitics, well worth trying once Beta-#2 is done. Don't want to get off-in-the-weeds just yet.
The LinGen in it's current form uses the timing scheme shown in the sidebar of the "Simplified Block Diagram."
Tried a few other timing schemes and it appears there is lots of room for experimenting here. Sort of what prompted
the design of an easily programmable STM32xxx based microprocessor Controller. Will likely run out of I/O if more
coils or other signals are added but the upgrade to more ports is straight forward - drop-in a new chip (these are
demo boards from STM so no re-layouts or other nonsense; just add another connector and wire harness).
More coils, etc. can be added without too much trouble but the Pole Shoes and tight tolerance might require a change to the
lamination design - not a big deal now that I have the cutter - re-design and re-run another set.
A third design (Beta-#3) is in the works. This is a major redo - opening up the Rotor (both ends exposed to the Stators [2])
similar to Figuera with a single unit stack of (a) Stator #1, (b) Rotor (open top and bottom) and (c) Stator #2. This eliminates
the exposed (useless) ends of the Stator LAP windings. The CAE hasn't finished the detailed analysis (many days on an old
laptop) so we shall see. Hope to try it on the Workstation when I get a chance.
Appreciate your ideas and explainations very much - gets the mental juices pumping as well. Thanks and keep them flowing!
BTW, the inverter has a feedback such that when the output needs to increase, a signal is sent to the Controller which, in turn,
increases "something" - pulsewidth, input amplitude, input current, etc. - still TBD.
Anyway, gotta go for now...
SL
Laser Cutting - pretty amazing! WOW...
Quote from: SolarLab on January 17, 2023, 12:41:50 AM
Laser Cutting - pretty amazing! WOW...
I wish you good experiments! May you succeed!
Quote from: SolarLab on January 16, 2023, 02:11:06 PM
...
In the LinGen driver output circuit, after the MosFets, there are Snubber Diodes (attached to the Stator Coils [N1-4, S1-4]). These are
not shown in the "Simplified LinGen Bock Diagram" posted earlier
( https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573159/#msg573159 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573159/#msg573159) ) but run
across each Coil input to ground. Pretty much standard FET protection from Flyback Spikes (BEMF).
This arrangement may change a bit in an effort to somehow (adding more diodes or FETs) use the Flyback Pulse to drive the
Bremanance/Hc coercivity back to H0 for each cycle; if thats possible, or, if it is even needed - TBD. The B-H Loop was posted earlier
( https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573227/#msg573227 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573227/#msg573227) ).
...
Hi SL,
Please confirm that I am understanding your sequencing the way you intend it to operate. For reference, I attach a cropped image of the sequence drivers and coils from your diagram linked in the quoted post. You have 8 coils, 8 drivers, one coil per tooth and 4 teeth per pole and therefore 2 poles. The top 4 coils are only pulsed in the shown polarity such that the top pole, using coils 1 - 4, will always be North. And conversely, coils 5 - 8 on the bottom pole will always make that pole South. Am I reading this correctly?
If so, this is a significant departure from Holcomb's description of sequence found in the patent application for the 16 tooth 2 & 4 pole rotors (circular). I do not believe the method represents a linear version of the RMF (Rotating Magnetic Field).
If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve.
Your comments would be appreciated.
bi
The AC (circular) one is a bit more complicated, the poles are still excited in the same sequenced way as the simpler DC (LinGen) but the north and south poles are rotated one step every sequence and depending on how fast you step (rotate) you can get 50 Hz or 60 Hz or any Hz.
In the HES linear DC (LinGen) poles always stays in the same spot.
Quote from: SolarLab on January 17, 2023, 12:41:50 AM
Laser Cutting - pretty amazing! WOW...
Good stuff SL!
Just remember to insulate between the laminations with a thin spray of something, otherwise eddy currents will creep back into your equations.
Also on your driver...
I would recommend using half-bridge modules powered with a bipolar power source. That will give you more flexibility software-wise to dial your system in. And with your microcontroller, if need be, snag some D flip-flop chips, setup a shift register and let your microcontroller provide control signals and clocking to that. I always liked using the old Cypress PSoC 5LP because it has built in programmable logic (UDBs) that can be configured any way you want--no external chips required. Anyway, just a thought. Looking forward to seeing your build and initial tests. :)
Quote from: bistander on January 17, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Hi SL,
Please confirm that I am understanding your sequencing the way you intend it to operate. For reference, I attach a cropped image of the sequence drivers and coils from your diagram linked in the quoted post. You have 8 coils, 8 drivers, one coil per tooth and 4 teeth per pole and therefore 2 poles. The top 4 coils are only pulsed in the shown polarity such that the top pole, using coils 1 - 4, will always be North. And conversely, coils 5 - 8 on the bottom pole will always make that pole South. Am I reading this correctly?
If so, this is a significant departure from Holcomb's description of sequence found in the patent application for the 16 tooth 2 & 4 pole rotors (circular). I do not believe the method represents a linear version of the RMF (Rotating Magnetic Field).
If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve.
Your comments would be appreciated.
bi
bistander Pretty much everything regarding my development of the LinGen is found in the 12+ pages of posts on the Overunityresearch
Re:-Holcomb and other FE technology debate thread. Some good design and development information can be found amongst
the trash. It will answer your questions.
Here are some links [probably missed a few] related to the analysis evolution: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442)
Flat Solid-State Rotor WO 2018 134233 Holcomb (19 May 2022)
Includes Timing and Sequencing.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98965#msg98965)
"Start our Design Intent Document (DID) by interpreting/reviewing the patent to gain as much information as possible."
"The following six (6) attachments outline some of the prime information found in the patent review that can be used in the
design evaluation. Also consider the device target audience is powering a cell phone, therefore the overall physical size, to
some extent, is provided."
The development sequence followed a few logical steps in an effort to better understand and varify Holcomb's claims.
Computer Aided Engineering (CAE) was employed in order to quickly confirm various aspects of the Design Intent [DID].
There is not much more to be shared on the Forums by me so you all will have to do the best you can with what's been given
and what's available elsewhere.
The device has been analyzed, simulated and tested in a BrassBoard. The time has now come to optomize and build.
Quote from: Dog-One on January 17, 2023, 02:20:22 PM
Good stuff SL!
Just remember to insulate between the laminations with a thin spray of something, otherwise eddy currents will creep back into your equations.
Also on your driver...
I would recommend using half-bridge modules powered with a bipolar power source. That will give you more flexibility software-wise to dial your system in. And with your microcontroller, if need be, snag some D flip-flop chips, setup a shift register and let your microcontroller provide control signals and clocking to that. I always liked using the old Cypress PSoC 5LP because it has built in programmable logic (UDBs) that can be configured any way you want--no external chips required. Anyway, just a thought. Looking forward to seeing your build and initial tests. :)
Dog-One Frankly, I do not have the time to continually repeat what what has already been presented. Plus, I can not respond to every,
or any, comments and suggestions that are intuative to one-skill-in-the-art; - thanks - but all these suggestions are stuff that is common knowledge.
Good Luck to you all!
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 17, 2023, 10:24:26 AM
I wish you good experiments! May you succeed!
Thanks! And, hey, we still need your book!
SL
Quote from: bistander on January 17, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Hi SL,
Please confirm that I am understanding your sequencing the way you intend it to operate. For reference, I attach a cropped image of the sequence drivers and coils from your diagram linked in the quoted post. You have 8 coils, 8 drivers, one coil per tooth and 4 teeth per pole and therefore 2 poles. The top 4 coils are only pulsed in the shown polarity such that the top pole, using coils 1 - 4, will always be North. And conversely, coils 5 - 8 on the bottom pole will always make that pole South. Am I reading this correctly?
...
Hi SL,
I read thru the our.com stuff like 6 months ago. I'll read it again.
But please, can't you give me a yes or no answer?
Quote Am I reading this correctly?
Thanks,
bi
See this link regarding how the pulsing works:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572781/#msg572781
I can not answer yes or no to whether you understand the diagram or not.
Timing was taken from the patent for the CAE analysis simulation proof-of-concepts. Results are shown
in the links provided.
If you want to argue about the nomenclature, etc. - forget it - I'm not interested and don't care!
Regards,
SL
Quote from: bistander on January 17, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Hi SL,
Please confirm that I am understanding your sequencing the way you intend it to operate. For reference, I attach a cropped image of the sequence drivers and coils from your diagram linked in the quoted post. You have 8 coils, 8 drivers, one coil per tooth and 4 teeth per pole and therefore 2 poles. The top 4 coils are only pulsed in the shown polarity such that the top pole, using coils 1 - 4, will always be North. And conversely, coils 5 - 8 on the bottom pole will always make that pole South. Am I reading this correctly?
If so, this is a significant departure from Holcomb's description of sequence found in the patent application for the 16 tooth 2 & 4 pole rotors (circular). I do not believe the method represents a linear version of the RMF (Rotating Magnetic Field).
If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve.
Your comments would be appreciated.
bi
bistander, Now that you have had a chance to study the "LinGen" a bit; please expand on you claim:
"If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve." Hey, you never know, it might have some merrit and be important to the overall progress of this development. Hope so!
Looking forward to your "B-H Curve" analysis with respect to the "LinGen" scheme. Take as many pages as you need. Always
willing to learn more - that's how we get from here-to-there. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 01:18:53 AM
bistander,
Now that you have had a chance to study the "LinGen" a bit; please expand on you claim:
"If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve."
Hey, you never know, it might have some merrit and be important to the overall progress of this development. Hope so!
Looking forward to your "B-H Curve" analysis with respect to the "LinGen" scheme. Take as many pages as you need. Always
willing to learn more - that's how we get from here-to-there. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
Do you realize that the steel would be working on minor loops regarding the B H characteristics?
Are you still using the grade which you specified earlier?
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on January 17, 2023, 11:53:29 PM
See this link regarding how the pulsing works:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572781/#msg572781
I can not answer yes or no to whether you understand the diagram or not.
Timing was taken from the patent for the CAE analysis simulation proof-of-concepts. Results are shown
in the links provided.
If you want to argue about the nomenclature, etc. - forget it - I'm not interested and don't care!
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
Yes, I understand, in accordance with conventional science.
Ask Ufopolitics if he does.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 17, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Hi SL,
Please confirm that I am understanding your sequencing the way you intend it to operate. For reference, I attach a cropped image of the sequence drivers and coils from your diagram linked in the quoted post. You have 8 coils, 8 drivers, one coil per tooth and 4 teeth per pole and therefore 2 poles. The top 4 coils are only pulsed in the shown polarity such that the top pole, using coils 1 - 4, will always be North. And conversely, coils 5 - 8 on the bottom pole will always make that pole South. Am I reading this correctly?
If so, this is a significant departure from Holcomb's description of sequence found in the patent application for the 16 tooth 2 & 4 pole rotors (circular). I do not believe the method represents a linear version of the RMF (Rotating Magnetic Field).
If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve.
Your comments would be appreciated.
bi
I really do not see that much of a "wow" here...by the fact that LinGen does not swap polarities...
Figuera did it like that, way back in the 1900's...except, He did not have the LinGen "Stairs like" setup, with just two cores, but He arranged the electromagnets next to each others, in separated groups, having separate cores for each pair, however, still facing each others (Inductor-Induced) but, ALWAYS keeping the same polarities (North's are always North & South's are always South)
The rotary switch of Figuera was only pulsing the High-Positive end (only one brush) while all coils other terminal(s) were connected at all times Negative from Source.
Here I see same deal, except using FET's and a micro-controller...a bit more "sophisticated" but the same, exact final result.
So, resuming, here Induction works based on a Field Expansion (when Coils are peak energized) and a Contraction (when it is collapsing or tending to)
I have done Figuera in many configs, and it does generate induction this way.
Maybe this way of having all coils mounted on a single steel core for each (Induced and Inductor) will have more success.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Continuing from my previous post:
In addition, if LinGen have a sequence by turning ON N1- S1 then OFF, then turning ON N2-S2/OFF, then ON N3-S3/ OFF, and finally N4-S4, and REPEAT...then it would be generating a displacement of Inducing Field from N1-S1 to N4-S4.
And IMHO, it should work beautifully. Basically, if I understand correctly, LinGen is designed to power small appliances, like a Cell phone, etc,etc.
Ufopolitics
Why did you decide that Figuera does not change the polarity, or rather the direction of the flow? In my research, I just came to this particular system.
The problem is to follow the linearity of the change in magnetic induction, especially in a static design. The second problem is that this linearity should be with the load.
I also consider a pulsating change in the magnetic field from "0" to a maximum and back. Again, this is all, still needs to be connected to the phase and load circuit.
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 09:27:59 AM
Hi SL,
Do you realize that the steel would be working on minor loops regarding the B H characteristics?
Are you still using the grade which you specified earlier?
bi
Your comment:
"If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve."
Your answer:
"Do you realize that the steel would be working on minor loops regarding the B H characteristics?"
Thanks for your help - a great explanation ( ??? ) and - a super work-around/solution ( ??? )
BTW, the CAE provides a very good picture of whats happening (each nSec) both inside the device material and in
the air around the device - no minor loops (what ever they are) were spotted.
See the gif annimations posted earlier.
Also attached 3 Time Step Magnetic Field Intensity plots. Rotor is clipped - only Stator & LAP are shown.
Plus, LAP [Induced Coil 9] output & all 8 coils. Stepped looking Blue Trace (Coil9 - LAP) is due to low sample/analysis
rate in CAE.
Included the ending sample cartoon as well.
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 18, 2023, 12:57:27 PM
Why did you decide that Figuera does not change the polarity, or rather the direction of the flow? In my research, I just came to this particular system.
Rakarskiy,
I did not "decided"...Figuera did... ;D
Figuera just commutates through an ALWAYS
Single Positive Brush, while ALL the other Coils terminals are connected to negative ground.
The commutator is wired in order to pass by the resistors or inductors in between for 180°, to deliver the ups 180° and downs 180°of the signal....which looks like two inverted square Pyramids.
Man, I did Figuera like 10 plus years ago...in real Lab Testing!!
Sorry, but you can not argue with me, how Figuera works...because I have tried every single possibility out there.
Ufopolitics
Edit: Image taken from: https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/patents/patent-44267-year-1908/
Attached is the timing sequence as I interpreted it from the patent. This sequence was used in the
initial proof-of-concept analysis. Pole 1 thru 4 are N and is same sequence for S; simultaneous.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 01:09:55 PM
Your comment:
"If in fact each pole does not swing polarity (N to S to N to S ...) then there are implications seen on the B H curve."
Your answer:"Do you realize that the steel would be working on minor loops regarding the B H characteristics?"
Thanks for your help - a great explanation ( ??? ) and - a super work-around/solution ( ??? )
BTW, the CAE provides a very good picture of whats happening (each nSec) both inside the device material and in
the air around the device - no minor loops (what ever they are) were spotted.
See the gif annimations posted earlier.
Also attached 3 Time Step Magnetic Field Intensity plots. Rotor is clipped - only Stator & LAP are shown.
Plus, LAP [Induced Coil 9] output & all 8 coils. Stepped looking Blue Trace (Coil9 - LAP) is due to low sample/analysis
rate in CAE.
Included the ending sample cartoon as well.
SL
Hi SL,
The highlighted passage indicates that you do know to what I was referring. Sometimes (often?) I try to determine where you're at before spending time drafting a response. It'd be nice if you provided concise answers.
I'll post a graphic which I lifted from here: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-simulated-FORCs-dashed-lines-and-FORCs-from-HysterSoft_fig3_273143832
It depicts a family of minor loops on a typical B H hysteresis curve. Since the excitation you're using, as I understand it, keeps H positive, the steel in your device is working on a minor loop located in the first quadrant.
I guess this is o.k. I am curious if you realized it. To my knowledge, no conventional electric machinery utilizes such a strategy. As to why? My intuition is that it underutilizes the iron, to the point of requiring twice the mass. Seeing as how yours is not conventional, I don't know that penality applies.
Furthermore, Dr. Holcomb claims his excess energy comes from this alignment of domains 250 times/sec. Might this minor loop excitation limit this energy?
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
Attached is the timing sequence as I interpreted it from the patent. This sequence was used in the
initial proof-of-concept analysis. Pole 1 thru 4 are N and is same sequence for S; simultaneous.
SL
Hi SL,
In the second 8 msec period, no coils are on, correct?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 02:32:10 PM
Hi SL,
In the second 8 msec period, no coils are on, correct?
bi
The sequence is arbitrary (programmable). Analysis used the sequence shown above (each of 4 - 4 sec ON, 4 Sec OFF,
each pulse is staggered by 1 msec).
Good paper re: Hysteresis - when you analyze the GO-35ZH135 or similar material with a DC pulse what do you come up with?
What would the curve look like if it were operated in the psuedo "linear" part of the curve (1.0T for example, no saturation)?
How would you use the BEMF to bring the hysteresis down to near Zero for each cycle? Would that really enhance the
overall device operation?
Are you actually building, or planning to build, a LinGen or similar device? Or is this just a curiousity on your part? If your building
one, or have a team doing the same, are you going to Open-Source it? And if so, any idea when?
GO-35ZH135 B-H Curve shown below for quick reference.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
The sequence is arbitrary (programmable). Analysis used the sequence shown above (each of 4 - 4 sec ON, 4 Sec OFF,
each pulse is staggered by 1 msec).
...
Yes SL,
I know it's arbitrary. But I was referring to the graphic, which I attach a clip. Also, such inquiries from me pertain to the simulation which we're discussing.
Do the lighter lines in the second 8 mS period mean that no coils are energized? Yes or no, please. Thank you.
bi
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
The sequence is arbitrary (programmable). Analysis used the sequence shown above (each of 4 - 4 sec ON, 4 Sec OFF,
each pulse is staggered by 1 msec).
QuoteAddressed in separate post.
Good paper re: Hysteresis - when you analyze the GO-35ZH135 or similar material with a DC pulse what do you come up with?
QuoteI've never had the occasion or need to do so.
What would the curve look like if it were operated in the psuedo "linear" part of the curve (1.0T for example, no saturation)?
QuoteOften such B H curves use logarithmic H axis. Attached is such for your steel. From: https://www.scribd.com/document/410260823/Electrical-Steel-GO-35ZH135-xls
Also note these curves only show the ascending line, not hysteresis. So operation keeping below 1T would resemble that.
How would you use the BEMF to bring the hysteresis down to near Zero for each cycle?
QuoteI would not.
Would that really enhance the
overall device operation?
QuoteI have no idea what the operation of the device is.
Are you actually building, or planning to build, a LinGen or similar device? Or is this just a curiousity on your part? If your building
one, or have a team doing the same, are you going to Open-Source it? And if so, any idea when?
QuoteI don't build things that don't work. And I have no convincing evidence that any HES contraption or replication works. So no, I do not have such plans. Should I have proof, which would be great, I'll make plans accordingly. It is more than curiosity. Basically I am attempting to help those enthusiastic enough to pursue this OU dream, so their efforts are less wasted, by sharing my knowledge and experience.
GO-35ZH135 B-H Curve shown below for quick reference.
Quoteedit: forgot to ask, why use grain oriented?
SL
Hi SL,
I'll start from the top and insert my replies.
bi
{edit} second image from: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Magnetic-characteristics-of-the-NO-and-GO-a-B-H-curve-b-B-W-curve_fig1_360437514
bistander,
WHAT EVER YOUR POINT IS - YOU WIN - GOODBYE!
You can't or won't answer simple things with any technical
ability or explaination - so be it.
When you finish your reproduction please post the results. If I'm still
here I will enjoy reading it...
Oh sorry, just noticed you don't build anything that won't work! Pretty
lame - let someone else do all the work first - then coat-tail!
Really Lame! Of course, here you have a lot of company - LAME!
Maybe your Arm-Chair pseudo Engineering (mostly stupid comments) should follow
the same philosiphy - do and say nothing until you know how things work.
Too busy right now for this nonsense!
SL
But I do feel compelled to quote some useful wisdom from "Mark Twain"
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 04:45:07 PM
bistander,
WHAT EVER YOUR POINT IS - YOU WIN - GOODBYE!
You can't or won't answer simple things with any technical
ability or explaination - so be it.
When you finish your reproduction please post the results. If I'm still
here I will enjoy reading it...
Oh sorry, just noticed you don't build anything that won't work! Pretty
lame - let someone else do all the work first - then coat-tail!
Really Lame! Of course, here you have a lot of company - LAME!
Maybe your Arm-Chair pseudo Engineering (mostly stupid comments) should follow
the same philosiphy - do and say nothing until you know how things work.
Too busy right now for this nonsense!
SL
But I do feel compelled to quote some useful wisdom from "Mark Twain"
Hi SL,
You obviously don't think there is value in knowing what you're doing. That's ok. Carry on. Let's play *who's stupid now* in a couple of months.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 05:46:17 PM
Hi SL,
You obviously don't think there is value in knowing what you're doing. That's ok. Carry on. Let's play *who's stupid now* in a couple of months.
bi
bistander,
Well, you got this part right: "You obviously don't think there is value in knowing what you're doing." :D
You don't have to wait a few months for the *who's stupid now*; just check Holcomb's site "right now,"
you don't need to wait a couple of months. Sorry, but I don't play silly little Reindeer Games! :'(
Oh, and thanks for the "humor" in your noble claim - "Basically I am attempting to help those enthusiastic enough to pursue this OU dream,
so their efforts are less wasted, by sharing my knowledge and experience."
(Here's a mistery: what experience and knowledge - you have less than zero with these methods and techniques, so you say - in your own words.)
Except, I can't seem to find any of your claimed "knowledge and experience" in your posts - what have I missed? A few
"cut and pastes" and jibberish "one liners," that's all I can find, nothing of actual technical value or potential good use.
Bye Bye :)
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 13, 2023, 11:32:12 PM
That first answer wasn't very good, was it? "Magnetic Circuit" kind of explains the phenomena,
what ever that is. Had to think on that one abit for a {hopefully} more fundamental view.
Try this -> The magnetic field "in" the iron is like the magnetic field in a bar magnet.
The field, - ""as we see it"" - , is not really "in" the "iron" or "bar;" it's the field in close proximity to, or
around, the iron or around a permanent bar magnet. If 'the field were only inside the iron or bar, it would
not do us much good. Atomic Magnetic Domains reside within the iron (a.k.a. sort iron or electrical steel)
and is easily magnetized and de-magnetized, whereas a permanent magnet bar will maintain it's magnatism.
The magnetic field will also "couple" between other unattached "iron" close by. The space
seperating these two, or more, "irons" (the gap) results in losses - that's where the "Magnetic Circuit" analysis
helps us to determine those losses and adjust our design accordingly (e.g. saturation, etc.).
Note we can control the (magnetic) field around the iron but the (magnetic) field around the
permanent bar magnet is always there. Also, since the "u" in air is a lot less than that found in metals, often
times it's almost invisible in CAE simulation cartoons, even for small "gaps," but the Field will traverse
from one "iron" to another close adjacent "iron," and in some cases the gap loss with not be much.
The field rapidly falls in air (air u~0) so we configure our pick-up windings (induced) in the "close
adjacent" iron in some fashion that affords good/reasonable magnetic field coupling with the windings.
If we left the pick-up windings in the air close to the "inducing iron" the coupling would be very inefficient,
plus the field would be partially blocked by the close copper layer and the outer copper layes would see
much less of the magnetic field. This appears to have been a drawback in the early Gramme generators.
Instead, we surround (as best we can) the pick-up coils (LAP) by the coupled magnetic field from the Rotor
Coil Poles to capture as much of the field as we can (e.g. by using stator slots). Lots of various schemes
for this but that's the basic idea.
Sounds simple enough; but these basic things seem to stump, it appears, even some of the experts here!
Edit: added clairifications and corrected spelling errors.
Hi SL,
In your most recent post you said "Except, I can't seem to find any of your claimed "knowledge and experience" in your posts - what have I missed?" It didn't take long to find an example where you could benefit from me. I didn't post it at the time, last week, because you're unappreciative and the post wasn't directed at me. There are numerous examples where, mostly, you call me picky or petty and insult me just for giving valuable information.
Your whole explanation is, let's say, confusing from the technical side, but in particular, these parts are incorrect.
You say "air u~0"
I presume by u, you refer to permeability, or relative permeability. If so, air has a relative permeability of very, very nearly = 1.0, which
means it is essentially equal to the permeability of free space. See the chart and reference below.
You say "field would be partially blocked by the close copper layer"
Copper will not "block" magnetic field. Copper also has a relative permeability of essentially 1.0, very, very close to that of air.
Your comment about Gramme generators is total misinformation.
No wonder you like Holcomb so much. His and your gibberish sound very much alike.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-magnetic-permeability-definition-examples.html#
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
Hi SL,
In your most recent post you said "Except, I can't seem to find any of your claimed "knowledge and experience" in your posts - what have I missed?" It didn't take long to find an example where you could benefit from me. I didn't post it at the time, last week, because you're unappreciative and the post wasn't directed at me. There are numerous examples where, mostly, you call me picky or petty and insult me just for giving valuable information.
Your whole explanation is, let's say, confusing from the technical side, but in particular, these parts are incorrect.
You say "air u~0"
I presume by u, you refer to permeability, or relative permeability. If so, air has a relative permeability of very, very nearly = 1.0, which
means it is essentially equally to the permeability of free space. See the chart and reference below.
You say "field would be partially blocked by the close copper layer"
Copper will not "block" magnetic field. Copper also has a relative permeability of essentially 1.0, very, very close to that of air.
Your comment about Gramme generators is total misinformation.
No wonder you like Holcomb so much. His and your gibberish sound very much alike.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-magnetic-permeability-definition-examples.html# (https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-magnetic-permeability-definition-examples.html#)
bi
WOW - another Earth Shattering find! (u~0)... Keep digging, it just gets better by the post!
It will stop thousands from going down the wrong path... or, possibly keep them from discovering an
easily built and simple to understand excess energy scheme.
Disadvantages in the Gramme Generator are common knowledge, BTW. [drop a magnet down a copper pipe]
Give it up man! Leave it up to those that "can" and "are" doing it right now. Wantabees only get in the way!
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 09:22:47 PM
WOW - another Earth Shattering find! (u~0)... Keep digging, it just gets better by the post!
It will stop thousands from going down the wrong path... or, possibly keep them from discovering an
easily built and simple to understand excess energy scheme.
Disadvantages in the Gramme Generator are common knowledge, BTW. [drop a magnet down a copper pipe]
Give it up man! Leave it up to those that "can" and "are" doing it right now. Wantabees only get in the way!
Hi SL,
You don't have a copper tube, do you? Try your magnet drop down a solenoid coil of #28 copper wire, similar to the context of the application at hand.
Care to support your claim about the Gramme ring with more than generality. Gramme ring had drawbacks but magnetic blocking effect of copper was not one. Look it up.
You never did have big boy pants, did you?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 09:43:05 PM
Hi SL,
You don't have a copper tube, do you? Try your magnet drop down a solenoid coil of #28 copper wire, similar to the context of the application at hand.
Care to support your claim about the Gramme ring with more than generality. Gramme ring had drawbacks but magnetic blocking effect of copper was not one. Look it up.
You never did have big boy pants, did you?
bi
Let me ask, before I forget:
How did your posted Linear graph of the GO-35ZH135 change anything from the posted Log graph?
I didn't quite catch that. Give it up man! Your getting in too deep with your limited knowledge...
Sticks and stones are giving away your Troll shield, BTW. Those kind of things don't work anymore.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 11:00:04 PM
Let me ask, before I forget:
How did your posted Linear graph of the GO-35ZH135 change anything from the posted Log graph?
I didn't quite catch that. Give it up man! Your getting in too deep with your limited knowledge...
Sticks and stones are giving away your Troll shield, BTW. Those kind of things don't work anymore.
SL
Hi SL,
You really don't pay attention or are easily confused. I didn't post a linear GO-35ZH135 graph. You did.
You say I have "limited knowledge". Maybe I should limit what I pass to you. If you study up on it and can ask an intelligent question, I'll do my best to explain.
You're the guy who says he has big boy pants, but can't answer simple questions and seemingly can't tolerate criticism. Did you buy that steel yet?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 18, 2023, 11:32:35 PM
Hi SL,
You really don't pay attention or are easily confused. I didn't post a linear GO-35ZH135 graph. You did.
You say I have "limited knowledge". Maybe I should limit what I pass to you. If you study up on it and can ask an intelligent question, I'll do my best to explain.
You're the guy who says he has big boy pants, but can't answer simple questions and seemingly can't tolerate criticism. Did you buy that steel yet?
bi
You didn't even attemp to answer my question - instead changed the subject - what does that indicate?
So again - How does your posted graph alter the B-H analysis of the material?
"Maybe I should limit what I pass to you." - Well that would be more than nice; great in fact - your
infomation is, well, silly and of no value what so ever, to me or anyone else.
That would be great - thanks!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on January 18, 2023, 11:46:57 PM
You didn't even attemp to answer my question - instead changed the subject - what does that indicate?
So again - How does your posted graph alter the B-H analysis of the material?
"Maybe I should limit what I pass to you." - Well that would be more than nice; great in fact - your
infomation is, well, silly and of no value what so ever, to me or anyone else. That would be great - thanks!
SL
Hi SL,
You have yet to ask an intelligent question.
Why ask me anything if my information is silly and of no value?
How much GO-35ZH135 did you buy?
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 19, 2023, 12:35:28 AM
Hi SL,
You have yet to ask an intelligent question.
Why ask me anything if my information is silly and of no value?
How much GO-35ZH135 did you buy?
bi
bistander,
Ask an Intellegent question - why bother. Your past reveals everything.
So far your information is silly and of no value. Say no more.
GO-35HZ135 purchase - non of your fucking business!
Just answer the "plot" question!
SL
Wow (https://www.theidioms.com/dont-look-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth/).
Quote from: SolarLab on January 19, 2023, 01:19:27 AM
bistander,
Ask an Intellegent question - why bother. Your past reveals everything.
So far your information is silly and of no value. Say no more.
GO-35HZ135 purchase - non of your fucking business!
Just answer the "plot" question!
SL
"Say no more."
CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For
Normally I would cut the nonesense posts off before they propagate to a stupid level,
however I let this series roll to bring out a very important point that we all face when using these
public forums. The following is from a old lecture but is still valid today.
How to Quickly Spot a "CLOWN" (some insight from the Experts(?)) Just so you can recognize it for what it is.
The term "CLOWN" as used here is generic and includes "TROLLs" and "LARPs,."
Don't get suckered into wasting your time. Hardened anons should already know this stuff; This is
more a crash course for new visitors.
Good stuff to be aware of; even if it would never happen here!
They will:
- Attempt to get a divisive or emotional response from you to derail research.
- Concern troll and copy/pasta spam shill to contradict confirmed findings.
- Employ faux debate tactics: Generalizations, gas-lighting, projection, misdirection, false equivalences, confusing
correlation with causation, appeal to authority, transference, false precepts, personal attacks, straw-men, red herrings, etc.
- Promote social ethics that are disingenuous like doxxing, "reverse psychology", or promoting propaganda.
- Promote tactics that are unethical, illegal or involve methods outside the scope of the Law.
- Employ Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to dissuade research.
Topic sliding - If information of a valuable or informative nature has been posted on a discussion forum, it can be quickly
removed from public view by topic sliding.
In this technique a large number of unrelated posts, or posts aimed at diluting the information presented, are submitted in
an effort to trigger a topic slide to literally push content out of view. Operators can control several fake UIDs via the bots they
make use of; these can also be called upon in the other techniques to mask the intent of the operator from the users at large.
Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting, unless the thread is moderated, the post is now lost in a sea of
unrelated and bogus postings.
Seeding bad information - Operatives will insert flawed or bogus information from time to time as an ongoing tactic, depending
on their skill set and the needs of their mission. Their most common ruse is providing information or evidence which is backed by
bad source material in the hope that the "source of the source" is never checked. This serves several objectives,
mainly resource consumption, evidence pollution, discouragement and misdirection.
Astroturfing consensus -This is a technique that attempts to build a manufactured consensus around a flawed set of statements
or compromised information. This is related to consensus cracking, where false evidence is injected in an attempt to dispute or
discredit what the current consensus is, and push it towards the desired false consensus. Misleading and false evidence and
information are often salted into the evidence pool, with an aim to impede organic consensus building, while also poisoning the
available information and evidence.
Cultivating tacit approval (The legal term for this is 'silent agreement') - Attempting to attain this state is done using a
technique where operators will try to convince the user population to ignore, or not respond to bad information or false assertions.
This is done in a bid to reduce push-back against the above mentioned tactics.
It's worth noting that the reply filtering mechanism of the boards (which currently can't be disabled without code changes from
the site admin) is used as a weapon of sorts in this tactic: Filtering with software prevents anons from defending against seeding
bad information and astroturfing consensus. This is why the CLOWNS (operators) push so hard to condition anons into filtering
material they disagree with.
Also worth noting is it can be proven in many cases that the vast majority of these CLOWNS are well trained, well paid,
some are highly skilled, and they will often accuse you of the very "things" that they, themselves, are engaged in...
and they often work in groups while using numerious synms...
So be vigilant - it only takes one Clown to ruin a discussion or thread. Many good posters will not post or
simply leave once a Clown invades the thread.
Have a good day and happy posting...
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 18, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
Rakarskiy,
I did not "decided"...Figuera did... ;D
Figuera just commutates through an ALWAYS Single Positive Brush, while ALL the other Coils terminals are connected to negative ground.
The commutator is wired in order to pass by the resistors or inductors in between for 180°, to deliver the ups 180° and downs 180°of the signal....which looks like two inverted square Pyramids.
Man, I did Figuera like 10 plus years ago...in real Lab Testing!!
Sorry, but you can not argue with me, how Figuera works...because I have tried every single possibility out there.
Ufopolitics
Edit: Image taken from: https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/patents/patent-44267-year-1908/
https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-clemente-figuera-44267.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm
I absolutely agree that there is no exact indication of whether a complete flow change occurs or not on a Clemente Figuera machine.
There is only one explicit indication, this is the simulation of the operation of an electromechanical dynamo.
True, there are some issues that need to be addressed. I, like many others, fell for this. I have a very strong belief that something in the patents themselves has been changed.
Why, because there are two formulas for the EMF of the generator and differ radically in the principle of inducing EMF in the conductor.
PS
2π : √2 = 4,44
I just thought, if we are an ordinary DC motor with permanent magnets, we will fix the rotor to the fixed support on one side on one support, and we will rotate the stator.
Then we will get a multi-phase sinusoidal signal on the fixed collector of this engine with a frequency proportional to the speed of rotation of the stator.
Which we can output with the help of wires to our Holcomb device under study.
I don't know if you understood me, maybe you can't do without a drawing ... :)
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 19, 2023, 11:40:38 AM...
Why, because there are two formulas for the EMF of the generator and differ radically in the principle of inducing EMF in the conductor.
...
Hi rakarskiy,
Those two equations are the same, just each reduced for ease of use in rectilinear vs polar coordinates.
Flux = B * A A is area
A/s = l * v length is perpendicular to velocity
B*l*v = Flux/s = V V is voltage
k * Flux * f = Flux/s frequency is (per second)
k is constant relating polar to rectilinear (circular area)
minus sign is Lenz law, not required in first equation because
B is vector having proper direction.
Substitute in units for variables and equality is apparent.
What do you see as a radically different principle?
bi
Further to my "CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For" post above:
Since many of these Clown/Trolls are paid for posting and sometimes paid even more when you respond to their posts;
they can be quite persistant, as we have all seen, even to the point of being pesky. This is easily observed in many cases.
The best defence against this is to "Simply DO NO RESPOND" to them. Often times they will just "move on to another
thread" where they can gain a little more for their time and effort.
Clown Trolls can be a real problem, but exposing them and knowing how to mitigate their affect on a subject goes a long
way in combating this plague.
Quote from: bistander on January 19, 2023, 01:47:02 PM
Hi rakarskiy,
Those two equations are the same, just each reduced for ease of use in rectilinear vs polar coordinates.
Flux = B * A A is area
A/s = l * v length is perpendicular to velocity
B*l*v = Flux/s = V V is voltage
k * Flux * f = Flux/s frequency is (per second)
k is constant relating polar to rectilinear (circular area)
minus sign is Lenz law, not required in first equation because B is vector having proper direction.
Substitute in units for variables and equality is apparent.
What do you see as a radically different principle?
bi
Hello beastander!
Mathematics and the essence of the process are two different things.
I unfolded and connected these formulas, even used them as a verification calculation, but in fact - it turned out to be completely different processes. Physics cannot explain one of them, and calls it an engineering formula. I succeeded, it remains to check what I'm doing.
Sincerely.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 19, 2023, 11:40:38 AM
https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-clemente-figuera-44267.pdf (https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-clemente-figuera-44267.pdf)
http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm)
I absolutely agree that there is no exact indication of whether a complete flow change occurs or not on a Clemente Figuera machine.
There is only one explicit indication, this is the simulation of the operation of an electromechanical dynamo.
True, there are some issues that need to be addressed. I, like many others, fell for this. I have a very strong belief that something in the patents themselves has been changed.
Why, because there are two formulas for the EMF of the generator and differ radically in the principle of inducing EMF in the conductor.
PS
2π : √2 = 4,44
Hi Rakarskiy,
This may be of not much value to you but the topic was addressed in this post a while back on the OUR Forum. It explains in some detail
the
differences between Faraday's Law and Lorentz - and the fact that the differences have never been really
resolved - however both equations arrive at the same answer.
Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #78 on: 2022-04-16, 17:54:59
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98564#msg98564 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98564#msg98564)
A copy of the post:
Sorry for the long post but this is very important towards understanding (analyzing) Holcomb's and other devices.
Two Electromagnetic Equations - Yield the Same Results
Of the four laws of electromagnetism, let's consider only Lorentz Force and Faraday's Law of induction. They both
arrive at the same answer; but their mechanisms are different. Some may say Faraday's Law is associated with Lenz whereas
Lorentz is not - Faraday deals with an alternating magnetic field - Lorentz deals with a sweeping (traveling) magnetic field.
Review the earlier "Asymetric transformers - AAbramovich Discussions" section "Equivalence of induction according to Lorentz and Faraday"
and the information below. Note that the differences between Faraday and Lorentz were never really resolved - history - seems Einstein
got in the way - since he couldn't solve it, he started a new branch of physics - Special Relativity - and further attempts at a resolution faded.
Lots of reading but worth it!
Four Laws of Electromagnetism https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/ (https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/)
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html (https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html)
Why Faraday's law and Lorentz force create the same electromotive force?
The Faraday's induction formula (flux rule) of electromagnetism says that the electromotive force (emf) created in a conducting circuit
is equal to the rate at which the magnetic flux through the conducting circuit changes as it is written on a high school text in physics.
This emf can be calculated in two ways: either by using the Lorentz force formula and calculating the force acting on electrons in the
moving conductor of the circuit; or via one of Maxwell's equations (Faraday's law) and calculating the change of the magnetic flux
penetrating through the circuit. The Lorentz force formula and Maxwell's equations are two distinct physical laws, yet the two methods
yield the same results.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm)
Includes a bit more "history" - Faraday's Law of Induction:
https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx (https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx)
...
"This is not exactly what Faraday described but was called Faraday's Law by Oliver Heaviside. It does
not include the movement emf; that is the force effect Faraday found. The magnetic force is called Lorentz
force. Current flowing in a wire in the presence of a magnetic field will experience a force and move if not
restrained. In this case, magnetic energy is released kinetically." ...
" The previous mention of the relative motion of magnetic field and electric circuit has had considerable thought by many,
well-known physicists. Richard Feynman stated: (1) So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the
magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) ...
Yet in our explanation for the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases Faraday's Law equation (both vector
quantities: -v x B) for "circuit moves" and Faraday's Law equation (vector: V x E = -dtB) for "field changes".
We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its
real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.
Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
---------------------------------------------------------------
Lorentz Force 3d view animation video (Lorentz is near the end, 6:26)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY)
---------------------------- Food for thought ---------
Professor Eric Laithwaite: Magnetic River 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU)
------------------------------------------------------------
So the question arrises: Does your 3D/2D CAE EM Maxwell's equation based analysis also include Lorentz Force?
CST - TBD, test solution against numerical.
Ansys EM - TBD, test solution against numerical.
COMSOL - allows review of equations used - check analysis insitu - test solutions.
Regards,
SL
SL, hello!
Are you sure that the Lorentz Force exists at all and is not a fiction of physicists? We still do not know the exact cause of the occurrence of an electric vortex field (EMF). We know the consequence no more.
Physicists cannot accurately tell the nature of the electric and magnetic fields, all they tell us is concepts. True, this does not prevent engineers from designing and building electrical mechanisms.
Sincerely
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 20, 2023, 04:53:41 PM
SL, hello!
Are you sure that the Lorentz Force exists at all and is not a fiction of physicists? We still do not know the exact cause of the occurrence of an electric vortex field (EMF). We know the consequence no more.
Physicists cannot accurately tell the nature of the electric and magnetic fields, all they tell us is concepts. True, this does not prevent engineers from designing and building electrical mechanisms.
Sincerely
Rakarskiy,
At the time my research was directed towards determining whether or not the CAE Platforms understood, and could work with,
the Lorentz Force and what effect that might have on the analysis. My Engineering hat was on, not my Physics hat!
Since the conclusion of my search ended in "Two Equations that yield the same answer," plus, it appears that it has never been
resolved, I had to move on.
Using Professor Thomas A. LIPO's "INTRODUCTION TO AC MACHINE DESIGN" book the conclusion was somewhat explained.
With respect to the CAE question - it's clear that if both equations yield the same answer - then, of course, the question
becomes moot.
SL
Hello SL!
I think you will still have the opportunity to make sure of everything on your own, on a practical model.
My opinion (as it turned out, not only mine), the Lorentz Force is a mirage of mathematics, which is derived as opposed to the Ampère Force equation.
Sincerely.
QuoteThe Lorentz magnetic force is determined by the relation:
L F = [v,B] q , (3.1)
where B is the induction of the magnetic field, and q is the charge of a particle moving in this field with a speed v. This formula was obtained at the end of the 19th century by the Dutch theoretical physicist H. Lorentz, who generalized Maxwell's equations to the case of motion of single charged particles. Long before Lorentz (in 1820), Ampere established that there is a force interaction between electric current and a magnetic field, which is determined by Ampère's empirical law:
A F = [l, B] I . (3.2)
This relation determines the force acting in a magnetic field B on a section of wire l oriented in the direction of current I. The Lorentz force (3.1) describes the interaction of a single charged particle with a magnetic field. It can be obtained from Ampère's law if the force (3.2) is divided by the number of particles involved in the creation of the Ampère force (see, for example, [1]):
Suppose a conductor of length l contains N free charges q. Then the electric current can be expressed by the dependence I=(N/l)qu, where u is the speed of the "drift" of electrons in the conductor (the speed of the directed movement of particles). Since this speed coincides with the direction of the conductor, expression (3.2) can be written in the form:
F = [u,B] A Nq . (3.3)
Dividing (3.3) by the number N of charges in the conductor and equating the velocity of each particle to the drift velocity (v = u), we obtain an expression for the force acting from the magnetic field on one particle – Lq N
FL = FA/N = q [v,B] coinciding with (3.1).
Ampère's law is an experimental dependence that describes well the interaction of an electric current with a magnetic field. The Lorentz force (3.1) is obtained from Ampere's law by elementary mathematical transformations. But let us ask ourselves a question: does dependence (3.1) reflect the participation of magnetic forces in electromagnetic induction?
Can the Lorentz force create an emf? The question is not idle!
PS
The first thing is electromagnetic induction on the conductor section. in an electric circuit, and here the magnetic circuit as a source.
Second, what is voltage drop and how does it affect the amount of current.
Thirdly, how does the process of the emergence of EMF (vortex electric field on the conductor) occur in two versions of the generator, if it can be expressed in one word.
Fourthly, we do not know what electricity is, for example: https://overunity.com/11029/safe-one-wire-energy-transfer-by-serbian-inventor-milutin-miletic/
Try to connect all this with the generator.
Why does everyone ignore my remark about the placement of the windings inside this generator.
Windings that will be short-circuited by contacts or electronic keys, such as a mosfet.
Shorting such a winding is not energy-consuming.
If these windings are in the right place and closed at the right time, this will make changes in the rotation field processes. Changes can be harmful or possibly beneficial.
But most importantly, we do not need to waste energy on this. ;)
Hi kolbacict (https://overunity.com/profile/kolbacict.101964/),
It's not you, many people on these forums are self center or just keep quit due to back lash. Is this a woke forum?
I am working on something related to the Holcomb device. It also seems to be dealing with the Tom Bearden MEG effects.
I believe their seems to be unknown effects including BEMF, another reason I'm going to investigate in the future build.
I seen the video's and believe they could be using a DC pulse to create BEMF (flyback Effect), but like many vidoe's today it's very hard to comprehend everything we see.
Tom
Quote from: kolbacict on January 21, 2023, 06:25:14 AM
Why does everyone ignore my remark about the placement of the windings inside this generator.
Windings that will be short-circuited by contacts or electronic keys, such as a mosfet.
Shorting such a winding is not energy-consuming.
If these windings are in the right place and closed at the right time, this will make changes in the rotation field processes. Changes can be harmful or possibly beneficial.
But most importantly, we do not need to waste energy on this. ;)
Because, Holcomb has also worked out such an option. Look at all his options, especially the dual generator.
LinGen - Summary To Date - This is a Personal Project - Nothing More
Let me state very clearly - up front - my approach to this project is not meant to promote anything nor attempt to convince anyone
to do anything - it's a personal project, for my self-education and discovery. It is only presented publically in an atttemp to share
information and hopefully educate and enlighten, if possible. Stimulating discussion and soliciting constructive ideas about the
device was never, and is still not, a remote intent of my presentations.
Testing and Varifying the Concepts
A large part of the initial LinGen design and development was to "test" some of the concepts found in Dr. Holcomb's patent
disclosures and do some "testing" in such a way that iterative re-building for "further re-configuration testing" would be lessened,
or eliminated. A flat clam shell structure with easily insertable coils and access to the coil terminals appeared
to fill that requirement quite well. The LinGen follows closely the original "Cell Phone" design Dr. Holcomb included in one of his
patents.
Use of CAE Integration within the Development Process
A large part of this investigation is to test and varify the use of modern CAE as a device design and development tool. CAE in the
design cycle has many obvious advantages.
LinGen Approach
Four North and four South coil slots driven by a common off-the-shelf, high performance, programmable microprocessor that is
available on a pre-fabricated (Neucleo) development PCB with a large variety of combinations, including LCD and nearly all periphrials
along with a comprehensive free IDE is a good choice for the Controller. MOSFET Driver boards with up to four high performance
channels including level translatiors, drivers and FETs are also available at reasonable cost.
This eight slot, so called, Rotor and eight slot Stator (LAP winding) form a Module. Many Modules can be cascaded to achieve any
variety of configurations. Scaling of the Modules can also be achieved as required which makes this LinGen design quite versatile
in both size and output.
LinGen Metal Fabrication Challenge
Briefly, finding and fabricating "electrical steel" or "soft iron" used in the Module is a challenge. Soft Metal Compounds (SMC) [formed
from metal powders] even in the small slabs needed for prototyping was cost prohibitive and not versatile enough to suit the task.
Simple slabs of SMC required machining and the costs were prohibitive (~ $800/module). Scrap metal with the needed B-H
characteristics for testing is near non-existant. Luckily, recent advances in Diode and Fiber Lasers, although still expensive, provided
a way forward. A variety of metal foils with various B-H characteristics can be had at reasonable cost and Laminations can be Laser Cut
and stacked to meet the assorted design iterations and tests.
Whats Next
Initial tests of the LinGen appeared positive. CAE integration is a huge success. In-situ material testing is progressing. A Technical Course
is being written as the development moves along which includes a comprehensive informational and instructional Web Site. It is still
intended to make most of the material "open sourced."
Conclusion
Remember - you get what you pay for, as the old saying goes - and none of you have paid a cent for anything I've presented! It has
all been given in Honest Good Faith. You all can take it or leave it - its absolutely your choice.
If you have a comment, complaint or problem call: 1-800-who-cares! :)
SL
A phased antenna array, for example, which is used in a patriot air defense system, can scan the beam at high speed. Without the use of mechanical moving parts. Only electronic commutation.
Does this mean that at a sufficient distance this beam can travel faster than the speed of light?
This is me in relation to your Holcomb device. Maybe we can already accelerate the speed of rotation of the virtual magnetic field faster than the speed of light, and arrange Armageddon.
Some people say that something bad can happen.
Quote from: TommeyLReed on January 21, 2023, 07:05:58 AM
Hi kolbacict (https://overunity.com/profile/kolbacict.101964/),
It's not you, many people on these forums are self center or just keep quit due to back lash. Is this a woke forum?
Unfortunately this is the case.
I myself am like that.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 21, 2023, 08:55:24 AM
Because, Holcomb has also worked out such an option. Look at all his options, especially the dual generator.
This is true ? I did not know. I don't know this device in detail at all. Only general principles.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 22, 2023, 11:05:26 AM
This is true ? I did not know. I don't know this device in detail at all. Only general principles.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg565051/#msg565051
You need to carefully read, at least this forum, by the way, it is in this photo that confirmation of what I worked out in understanding the principle of operation of a synchronous generator, then put it on Holcomb's device. Just a complete coincidence.
I wonder if the Holcomb machine is related to the MEG, what do you think?
This is my MEG I will be testing very soon.
Tom
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 23, 2023, 12:43:45 AM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg565051/#msg565051
You need to carefully read, at least this forum, by the way, it is in this photo that confirmation of what I worked out in understanding the principle of operation of a synchronous generator, then put it on Holcomb's device. Just a complete coincidence.
English is not your first language, I'm sure. Pardon me if I am wrong.. I wish you would speak plainly. Are you saying that you have been able to duplicate/ achieve the results that Dr. Holcomb has described in his patents and demonstrated in video?
I've read through this forum, and to date , there is noone who will state unequivocally that this new "breakthrough technology to the world" works..
There are several who have not hesitated to state otherwise.
Thanks.
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on January 24, 2023, 07:56:45 PM
English is not your first language, I'm sure. Pardon me if I am wrong.. I wish you would speak plainly. Are you saying that you have been able to duplicate/ achieve the results that Dr. Holcomb has described in his patents and demonstrated in video?
I've read through this forum, and to date , there is noone who will state unequivocally that this new "breakthrough technology to the world" works..
There are several who have not hesitated to state otherwise.
Thanks.
LL
Dr. Holcomb's generator works in the same way as an electromechanical synchronous generator, with the only difference being a mechanical/solid state constant magnetic field rotation system. Do you doubt the operation of generators that provide humanity with electricity? It is not by chance that I give such a direction for understanding: you need to understand in detail how mechanical power generators work, with laying the wire in the stator groove. How the field is formed and how the output energy is obtained.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
PS
Solid-state power generation is not new, but late since 1902, in fact it is a "closed technology".
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/1902.html
New video. Does the Holcomb Energy System violate the laws of Thermodynamics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVxUcuX65w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVxUcuX65w)
A Fantastic Energy Breakthrough for the Future!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s)
Professor Timothy Vaughan, toward the end of videos says he has done personally verification.
Quote from: Feb2006 on January 25, 2023, 07:48:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s) (!)
The author of the video (!) came in handy with my drawing! By the way, there is a point in the figure explaining the operation of the generator, if you know exactly the principle of EMF guidance.
The same principle as applied in the first synchronous generator, the very first one.
Perhaps the first generator was invented by an Irishman and ... .
Here is my intrigue for you!
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 25, 2023, 12:49:24 PM
Here is my intrigue for you!
So do you think the concept of moving an established magnetic field is where the gain mechanism manifests?
The late Tom Bearden used to stress, "Don't kill the dipole." I'm thinking by just slightly shifting a magnetic field instead of building and collapsing this field would indeed decrease the input power needed. If that also allows the same output power to continue, then unity gain should be easy and more than unity gain possible.
To me though, there is still one more piece of the puzzle I'm unclear about--timing. I think you must shift the field quicker than the magnetic domains can respond. If you do it at the same speed or slower, then you lose the gain mechanism. To me, this is why mechanical generators, even though they are basis for the HES device, cannot show the gain mechanism. With mechanical generators, the field and the magnetic domains are in lock step with each other. With the HES, there is a time compression during the shift where the magnet domains simply cannot keep up. The domains lag behind the virtual field and when that happens, this anomaly is exposed.
Quote from: Feb2006 on January 25, 2023, 07:48:00 AM
New video. Does the Holcomb Energy System violate the laws of Thermodynamics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVxUcuX65w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVxUcuX65w)
A Fantastic Energy Breakthrough for the Future!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvamIRUSbYE&t=0s)
Professor Timothy Vaughan, toward the end of videos says he has done personally verification.
Feb2006,
Thanks for the video links - quite interesting and well done.
Curious "ratchet" postulation!
Have a good one.
SL
Quote from: Dog-One on January 25, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
So do you think the concept of moving an established magnetic field is where the gain mechanism manifests?
The late Tom Bearden used to stress, "Don't kill the dipole." I'm thinking by just slightly shifting a magnetic field instead of building and collapsing this field would indeed decrease the input power needed. If that also allows the same output power to continue, then unity gain should be easy and more than unity gain possible.
Hello Dog-One,
Great post man!!
I believe by just rotating the field virtually is not the full gain mechanism...although it is a great part of it.
And yes, you are also right, building to then collapse the field is not a way to achieve great results, I have done it before, and it did not played the full gain mech.
Slightly shifting the Field is the way to go, and I will add to shift only minimal portions of the whole field, is what Cotnoir called "higher resolution"
Quote from: Dog-One on January 25, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
To me though, there is still one more piece of the puzzle I'm unclear about--timing. I think you must shift the field quicker than the magnetic domains can respond. If you do it at the same speed or slower, then you lose the gain mechanism. To me, this is why mechanical generators, even though they are basis for the HES device, cannot show the gain mechanism. With mechanical generators, the field and the magnetic domains are in lock step with each other. With the HES, there is a time compression during the shift where the magnet domains simply cannot keep up. The domains lag behind the virtual field and when that happens, this anomaly is exposed.
Wow, excellent post above!!
That is exactly the response that I got on my previous testing...the Field goes faster than the steel domains can respond, then output drops.
There is a hint to start these type of systems to get a better performance...and that is having a "pre-warming stage", where field rotates at an "idling speed" to then start acceleration smoothly up.
One thing though, I have not tested yet with the 3 phase type of rotation of the virtual field...until I do that, then I will post about it. However, I can feel it would have the same issue.
But I agree 100% with what you wrote above, that is one of the problems we need to solve.
Magnetic Field is much faster than steel mass domains response (more specifically, the response to change radical directions [180º] when swapping from N to S and from S to N), what creates a lagging in behavior and it reflects directly on the output end.
Actually we need to brake down this movement of the Field in two parts:
1-
Rotation or Displacement of the virtual Magnetic Field (which is absolutely no problem to drive it at any required speed as we choose)
2-
The Steel Mass Magnetic Domains response to Field changes, to amplify and propagate this moving field, strong and fast enough as to Induce Output Stator at the same speed rating as the field displacement through Spacetime.
However, IMHO, I do not think this is the actual "Gain Mechanism" even if we would be able to achieve a unison movement of both (1+2 above) whether by using lesser elements per pole (like AC 3 Ph uses) or by using an exotic, fast domain response material or any other means we discover.
IMHO, I believe the gain mech is at the Exciter level stage, just like in a Rotary Generator it does.
All Rotary Generators can start basically "from scratch", without any external input, just by rotating the field thanks to the Exciter System. However, like I wrote before...the Exciter never turns off during generator performance, so, it is not just like a starter motor on an ICE Engine, but the "Internal Power Source" of any Generator's Inducing Field.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 25, 2023, 06:18:45 PM
Hello Dog-One,
Great post man!!
Every once-n-while I start to see into the invisible--figured I better write it down somewhere before the thought vanishes.
I was thinking more about that ratchetting effect mentioned in the above video. It kind of works like a slip angle. We shift the virtual field, the magnetic domains then begin to drift to their new happy place and at the moment they are mostly aligned, we shift again. I see this as letting the magnetic domains do the work, they do all pushing, we just persuade them to keep doing it.
So like you said, we need some kind of feedback mechanism so we don't shift until the magnetic domains have realigned. If we shift too soon, we lose it and the magnetic domains go chaotic, requiring us to start all over. If we lazy shift, then we lose a good portion of power doing nothing while the magnetic domains sit idle. There's a sweet spot for sure and a decent detection system should allow us to lock into and provide feedback for an optimal cycle time control. With a static load on the generator, we can probably get away with a static shift interval, but that will never work reliably for dynamic loads, we really need control for this, some sort of sensing mechanism to detect domain alignment.
I wonder if it's possible to ping the core with some high frequency pulse... If we could do that, we might hear the core actually ring like a bell at some high frequency and based on the tone we get, maybe we would know when the domains have aligned. Such a system would have to be tuned to the individual core, but I bet it would be straightforward to dial it in and once you have that, controlling the shift interval is trivial. Then the whole system becomes self-tuned and handles anything you throw at it.
Сегодня я наконец-то получил сложение полей в ядре. Ток источника для возбуждения остался неизменным и в три раза меньше, чем пропорциональный ток катушки возбуждения магнитному потоку ядра. Для меня это первый эксперимент когда поставленные условия выполнились.
Можно сказать (предварительно) - что секрет генератора Фигуера разгадан.
Как работает генератор Холкомба, можете уточнить в системе работы синхронного механического генератора.
Сразу скажу, что образование привирает, натягивая на член теорию образования ЭДС для простейшего генератора рамки, для генератора где уложен провод в паз.
Могу уверенно заявить что есть два способа получения ЭДС от магнитного потока.
Оба были открыты во времена Фарадея, а Самый первый генератор, неизвестного автора с литерами П.М., работал на принципе наведения ЭДС который используется в современных синхронных генераторах с укладкой обмотки в паз статора. Вероятно Фарадей не понял как это происходит, и разработал свой униполярный генератор, который как раз работает на втором методе наведения ЭДС, который применяем к рамочному простейшему генератору.
И еще, конструкторы которые разрабатывают генераторы, точно знают как они работают. Не зря конструирование генераторов является высшим пилотажем в конструировании электромашин.
Надеюсь в скором времени завершить свою работу и все что узнал будет в книге.
Quote from: rakarskiy (translated) on January 26, 2023, 05:32:51 AM
worked on the principle of EMF guidance that is used in modern synchronous generators with the winding in the stator groove.
Looking forward to your details on how this process actually works.
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 26, 2023, 05:32:51 AM
Сегодня я наконец-то получил сложение полей в ядре. Ток источника для возбуждения остался неизменным и в три раза меньше, чем пропорциональный ток катушки возбуждения магнитному потоку ядра. Для меня это первый эксперимент когда поставленные условия выполнились.
Можно сказать (предварительно) - что секрет генератора Фигуера разгадан.
Как работает генератор Холкомба, можете уточнить в системе работы синхронного механического генератора.
Сразу скажу, что образование привирает, натягивая на член теорию образования ЭДС для простейшего генератора рамки, для генератора где уложен провод в паз.
Могу уверенно заявить что есть два способа получения ЭДС от магнитного потока.
Оба были открыты во времена Фарадея, а Самый первый генератор, неизвестного автора с литерами П.М., работал на принципе наведения ЭДС который используется в современных синхронных генераторах с укладкой обмотки в паз статора. Вероятно Фарадей не понял как это происходит, и разработал свой униполярный генератор, который как раз работает на втором методе наведения ЭДС, который применяем к рамочному простейшему генератору.
И еще, конструкторы которые разрабатывают генераторы, точно знают как они работают. Не зря конструирование генераторов является высшим пилотажем в конструировании электромашин.
Надеюсь в скором времени завершить свою работу и все что узнал будет в книге.
Hey Rakarskiy,
Man, for God sake, what happened to your Google Translator!!
That it started to spill all this chaotic cacophonic language?
I guess you burn it up, for too much use translating Russian...hahahaha
I wonder, noone is talking about the MU-metal stripes between the slots and their elementary important function, there must be a clear cut in all its sequences. By my knowledge a floating field without sharp cut offs cannot create power. I do not belong to these high level technican but solved a lot of technical problems by my basic thinking... :o
Quote from: rakarskiy on January 26, 2023, 05:32:51 AM
Сегодня я наконец-то получил сложение полей в ядре. Ток источника для возбуждения остался неизменным и в три раза меньше, чем пропорциональный ток катушки возбуждения магнитному потоку ядра. Для меня это первый эксперимент когда поставленные условия выполнились.
Можно сказать (предварительно) - что секрет генератора Фигуера разгадан.
Как работает генератор Холкомба, можете уточнить в системе работы синхронного механического генератора.
Сразу скажу, что образование привирает, натягивая на член теорию образования ЭДС для простейшего генератора рамки, для генератора где уложен провод в паз.
Могу уверенно заявить что есть два способа получения ЭДС от магнитного потока.
Оба были открыты во времена Фарадея, а Самый первый генератор, неизвестного автора с литерами П.М., работал на принципе наведения ЭДС который используется в современных синхронных генераторах с укладкой обмотки в паз статора. Вероятно Фарадей не понял как это происходит, и разработал свой униполярный генератор, который как раз работает на втором методе наведения ЭДС, который применяем к рамочному простейшему генератору.
И еще, конструкторы которые разрабатывают генераторы, точно знают как они работают. Не зря конструирование генераторов является высшим пилотажем в конструировании электромашин.
Надеюсь в скором времени завершить свою работу и все что узнал будет в книге.
rakarskiy Translastion:
Today I finally got field addition in the kernel. The source current for excitation remained unchanged and is three times less than the proportional current of the excitation coil to the magnetic flux of the core. For me, this is the first experiment when the conditions were met.
It can be said (tentatively) that the secret of the Figuera generator has been unraveled.
How the Holcomb generator works, you can check in the system of operation of a synchronous mechanical generator.
I must say right away that education is lying, pulling on the member the theory of EMF formation for the simplest frame generator, for the generator where the wire is laid in the groove.
I can confidently state that there are two ways to obtain EMF from a magnetic flux.
Both were discovered in the time of Faraday, and the very first generator, by an unknown author with the letters P.M., worked on the principle of EMF guidance, which is used in modern synchronous generators with the winding laid in the stator groove. Probably Faraday did not understand how this happens, and developed his own unipolar generator, which just works on the second method of inducing EMF, which is applied to the simplest frame generator.
And yet, the designers who develop generators know exactly how they work. No wonder the design of generators is aerobatics in the design of electrical machines.
I hope to complete my work soon and everything I learned will be in the book.
Hi Chris at AU,
I know you follow the OUR and OU "Holcomb" Forum links closely based on your AU postings and the information contained therein.
Ref: https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/non-inductive-experiment/?order=all#comment-2ad77dcb-5a1d-40b8-8c78-af1801584808 (https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/non-inductive-experiment/?order=all#comment-2ad77dcb-5a1d-40b8-8c78-af1801584808)
However there are two important items with respect to Holcomb (LinGen) that you neglected to mention; so I'll try to briefly point these
out such that you can investigate them further and add them to your posted "Simple Solution - Example" list; if you wish:
First - The "gain" in the Holcomb devices primarily stems from the B-H of the electrical steel (soft iron or whatever is used). This has
been covered in some detail in the related OUR and OU threads.
Second - A LAP winding stratagy in the so-called Stator goes a long way to reducing the Lenz and other effects; see the LinGen stator
LAP configuration for more technical details. This is also covered to a good extent in the above mentioned threads.
A third consideration, which is under investigation, involves the Rotor Coils driving signals and sequencing. This is heavily dependant
on the material B-H, coil characteristics and physical construction of the device. Details of which are still TBD.
These two techniques and the third item are also very important to the Holcomb methods - plus the others that you mention in your posts.
Hey, we're all in this together! Just sayin...
SL
Solarlab
I believe many previous members are now at this forum
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/public-answer-to-chris/?p=8 (https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/public-answer-to-chris/?p=8)
You are correct
We really are all in this together
Quote from: ramset on January 28, 2023, 03:27:47 PM
Solarlab
I believe many previous members are now at this forum
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/public-answer-to-chris/?p=8 (https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/public-answer-to-chris/?p=8)
You are correct
We really are all in this together
Ramset,
Yea, once in a while I try to check all the Forums - you can, at times, find some interesting information
and comments, etc. - every (useful) bit helps!
That Forum unfortunately doesn't seem to be following/developing the Holcomb concepts to any extent but
it doesn't hurt to check and only takes a minute or two.
Regards; and have a great Saturday (by the sound of things - it might be our last :( - but then again, that
risk has always been, and still is, omni-present!),
SL
Test
Quote from: ramset on February 01, 2023, 12:14:48 PM
Test
Hi Ramset,
See your test. Testing a reply.
Also, any news regarding HES, and or Astra? I heard a few weeks ago that DOE was "testing" an HES system. At the time it sounded like a one day deal about to occur within days. Unable to get any information about it from investor relations. Wondering if anyone else has current news?????
bi
:)
F.Y.I.
"WHAT IS GOING ON.." NASA Admits Something Terrifying is Happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlFKZ9Kr1ec&t=453s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlFKZ9Kr1ec&t=453s)
Obviously - quite busy these days!
SL
PS - Someone just sent me this link that "kind of" summarizes things a bit. Not
found in the MSM - all the MSM have is "Shoot it Down" stuff - "Atmospherics/Geophysics
versus Politics - retarded - ??? You can decide for yourself!
https://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index4168.htm (https://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index4168.htm)
(also, several good links in the second paragraph)
Hey, if I were doing "Excess Energy Research" I might just be tempted to
"Let the Bastards Freeze In the Dark, aye!"
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 02, 2023, 10:48:59 AM
...
antimagnetic,
Thought you might find this video interesting (you are already probably aware of it, but if not)
the truth about back EMF by tinman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voHGyN93Ru4
hint: think about keeping the LinGen PS source up without using the stator lap.
(BTW Rosemarie's patent is a good source of info)
SL
Nix,
OK, good you've seen the video.
Since you're not familiar with the "LinGen," forget the "hint".
Have a good one!
SL
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 05, 2023, 01:26:09 PM
SolarLab
Now you sparked my curiosity, so what is "LinGen"?
Great video on stator winding and RMF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQayMrK4Fo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQayMrK4Fo)
Have a good one as well!
Nix
"
LinGen" in brief:
is the "first" Varified and Easily Replicatable Excess Energy System to
appear in any of the "so called" FE or OU Forums! The initial "LinGen" design and development has been completed and is now being written
up and fashioned into a "Study Course" plus targeted Presentations; as well as, an
"Excess Energy" focused Web Page/Site including the very detailed design, development, engineering,
science and physics behind the technology and methods used.
Pretty much all the information on the "LinGen" can be had in the links below:
The thread starts here - "Holcomb and other FE technology debate (Read 31137 times)"
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.0 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.0)
A list of significant link events regarding the "LinGen" development is given here:
(but scan/read all the posts in the thread - note the significant technical ones)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100922#msg100922 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100922#msg100922)
"Dr. Holcomb's method and technique have been extensively evaluated and tested.
They are valid and do produce excess energy - see the previous 9 pages of this thread."
Here are some links [probably missed a few] related to the overall analysis evolution"
This OU Thread [Overunity.com] also contains some relevant technical information as well;
but it can be hard to find and not vary comprehensive due to the lack of animated .gif's;
plus an excess of distractions.
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This link explains my use of "CAE" to varify the design rather than use the typical
youtube videos.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg101040#msg101040 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg101040#msg101040)
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YES - Excess Energy can, and HAS ALREADY, been achieved!
Holcomb Energy Systems Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
General Videos:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal)
Two Notable Videos:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/15-years-in-development-story-behind-the-2017-hes-prototype/857714035282871/ (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/15-years-in-development-story-behind-the-2017-hes-prototype/857714035282871/)
At 1:12 ([STM32x] Controller and MOSFETs?). At 1:33 & 1:54 "LinGen."
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296 (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296)
#1 at 0:33 - "Successfully tested the 100 KW HES STAND-ALONE unit by running a 1200 sq ft
building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"
================== Probably the "first" Varified and Easily Replicatable System to appear in any of the "so called"
FE or OU Forums! ================== I'm not going to dedicate any more time on the threads repeating the bits and pieces since my time
is better spent on other things - sorry - but after a few go-arounds, it starts to sound like a broken
record, and it's being played again and again, to a deaf audience!
SL
Hi SL,
Is your LinGen physical model (replication) complete and tested?
Regards,
bi
Reference:
CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573431/#msg573431
Further to my "CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For" post above:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573436/#msg573436
SL,
Can't a member ask a simple pertinent on-topic question?
While I'm at it, aside from HES, has there been a single functional replication?
So I'm skeptical. Get over it.
bi
Nope - dont't respond to corfirmed, and known, TOLLS - Sorry!
antimagnetic,
Thats an impressive list of youtube overunity videos you've compiled, includes pretty much
everyone who has done some "work" on the subject I suspect.
Thanks for sharing. BTW, you did inquire about the "LinGen" so I simply responded, hoping
you would find some value in the links provided - just never realized you were so advanced
in the Excess Energy field.
Holcomb's HES might be "late to the party" but at least you can actually purchase one - hopefully
soon the HES, in a wide variety of configurations, will be abundantly available to the general public
at a reasonable cost, in a "turn-key" form, even from some of the "big-box" stores. ;)
My appologies - but the intent was to help educate you - and, for sure, not meant to antagonize
you. Sorry! Take care and have a good week...
SL
??? ... anyway, sounds good!
Hey, that sounds a lot like the LinGen! :)
Exactly - you got it - and they all said you were a slow learner!
(bare with me Folks, while I mess with another one of the forum trolls!) :'(
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 06, 2023, 09:09:20 PM
:) You can see a slow learner in the mirror.
How dare we ask you to back up your claim, how rude, we must all be trolls!
Well, I don't actually share your opinion on either of your above claims!
But, of course, that's just IMHO.
BTW, you have been given it "all" - many times now - prove it for yourself, if you can...
if you can't do it - then prove that as well.
You can always ask for help - I'm sure there are lots of really sharp guys here that will pitch in,
so to speak. Or just study and read - it's all there for the taking!
Oh - personal insults only prove the troll assumption - not smart (I learned the technique from
a master Troll - it seems to work nearly every time), [making a few bucks tonight, thanks!].
And, yes Virgina, there is such a thing as a "Troll - Troller!"
From an old post a while back - we all know the "Ruslan scenario" and how these public disclosures
work. We're still witnessing it today unfortunately. Lots of BS and retoric but no real attempt at finding
any valid technical solutions. As they say "The wheels of the Bus go round and round!"
Some complain that a Simulation using Computer Aided Engineering is not the way to prove anything!
Let me explain:
We have all seen in-person and youtube video demonstrations of "claimed" overunity or FE/CE devices. Everyone cries "FAKE" "
Hidden Wires" "Out-of-site Transmitters" and on and on. The next cry is "It can't be re-produced or replicated." Or the old stand-by
"No such thing as excess Energy, OU, FE is possible; it's against Newtons Laws, Impossible, and bla bla bla.
You all know the senarios, dare to say some of you have even participated in them.
So, this was my solution:
The work-around is fundamentally simple. Use a high level professional CAE tool to analyze a device and show the simulation results.
No hidden wires or any of the other claimed nonsense - just data. CAE is accepted by every major design entity - it's valid.
Yea but the simulation was "cooked," a fair enough claim from the skeptics. Work-around; don't distribute the "codes or models," give
them a basic diagram and required documents and background information.
Then let these skeptics do their own similar work; build up their own models and CAE analysis setups. Turn their own "crank" so to
speak - if their results differ, it's easy enough to find any inconsistent parts. If their results are similar then, not only have they proven
the device characteristics are valid, but they have now learned something more, and they now know how and why it works; plus, there
is usable documentation!
Once there are a few CAE successes, distribute prototypes for Beta Tests. By that time it would be impossible to stop or control by anyone!
A very elegant solution... so I'll stick with it. You may not agree, thats fine, but what are the choices, not many I dare say!
SL
This Nix clown will go on forever - so be it - "hey, sticks and stones" - and there will be many more of them
I'm sure - but what do they actually contribute to this challenge - NOTHING!
Nix - check the HES website - read it carefully for comprehension if you can - it's all there. Then review the
threads I posted - it's all there. If you can not get it, go back to knitting or whatever...
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 06, 2023, 11:02:05 PM
Funny, i love how he described himself precisely "Lots of BS and retoric". Nothing but empty words, shameless projections/adhominems. It's been clear here for a while SolarLab is a true clown, he just goes on and on with his "sticks and stones" rant and accuses of others for it.
Just don't asking him to back up his claim, cause you'll be a skeptic and a troll. Show.
Nix
See the links posted. If you need help, just ask around.
Again:
This Nix clown will go on forever - so be it - "hey, sticks and stones" - and there will be many more of them
I'm sure - but what do they actually contribute to this challenge - NOTHING!
Nix - check the HES website - read it carefully for comprehension if you can - it's all there. Then review the
threads I posted - it's all there. If you can not get it, go back to knitting or whatever...
- Have you simulated the system using professional CAE - NO (I have, and published it)
- Have you built a proof-of-concept prototype - NO ( I have, not posted in the forums for good reason)
- Do you have a design/development contract for these devices - NO (I have, but confidential)
- Have you a Web Site for the HES - NO (Holbomb has one, with validations, etc., including FPL data)
- Can you prove the system is fake or doesn't work - NO (nobody can, because it works)
- Are you upset because no one will do it for you and give you the "complete package" - YES (too bad)
(wait for the Big Box rollout like everyone else)
- Are you a Shill Troll - YES (because you have proven this today)
Get over it - you looser!
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 06, 2023, 11:42:01 PM
You are a clown and you just waste everyone's time.
You again try to make it appear as if i claim HES device is fake altho i clearly said i believe their device is COP 5 as they claim. I do not however believe YOU to have a working replica as you claim.
As they say you can't prove a negative. You made a claim of successful device, where is the proof? You have none. When asked for it you just spit fire on everyone who asks.
Then you call me a Shill Troll as if you are a 12yo, while it's clear you are a troll and possibly a conintel agent aka shill. You match the profile, distracting with personal attacks and bs, and nothing valuable or concrete.
You get over it, loser (and learn to spell).
- Have you simulated the system using professional CAE - NO (I have, and published it)
- Have you built a proof-of-concept prototype - NO ( I have, not posted in the forums for good reason)
- Do you have a design/development contract for these devices - NO (I have, but confidential)
- Have you a Web Site for the HES - NO (Holbomb has one, with validations, etc., including FPL data)
- Can you prove the system is fake or doesn't work - NO (nobody can, because it works)
- Are you upset because no one will do it for you and give you the "complete package" - YES (too bad)
(wait for the Big Box rollout like everyone else)
- Are you a Shill Troll - YES (because you have proven this today)
Get over it - you looser!
Hey, you know nobody reads this shit! ??? Got this clown would up - 2 points for the good guys!
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 12:12:57 AM
Clown continues the useless rant, copy pasting the same bs, trolling and shilling.
And he thinks he can get away with it cause there is no moderation.
Well, if he wants to be a forum's clown, who am i to stop him.
No matter how hard he tries to oppose the light, dark side will lose.
Get over it, loser (and learn to spell).
OH HELP - we need moderation and a spell checker - I'm loosing - lame at best.
That's it? - come on man, stay the course - the "light side" is counting on you!
Plus - we need the cash! To hell with "Excess Energy Development," the pissing
contest is what really matters... Right?
;D
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 12:33:05 AM
LOL, you lost it, clown. You just need a ball to stand on and few juggling balls. You're really pathetic.
All you do is troll and even in that you fail miserably, try harder, the Darth side counts on you!
But keep entertaining us, it's hilarious. >>"first Varified and Easily Replicatable" <<
;D
And to top it, he even goes on about the pissing contest as if everyone can't see all he did in all these threads is exactly that - pissing contest. Shoooow, circus XD
Juggling balls - hey WTF? Lets try this one again:
- Have you simulated the system using professional CAE - NO (I have, and published it)
- Have you built a proof-of-concept prototype - NO ( I have, not posted in the forums for good reason)
- Do you have a design/development contract for these devices - NO (I have, but confidential)
- Have you a Web Site for the HES - NO (Holbomb has one, with validations, etc., including FPL data)
- Can you prove the system is fake or doesn't work - NO (nobody can, because it works)
- Are you upset because no one will do it for you and give you the "complete package" - YES (too bad)
(wait for the Big Box rollout like everyone else)
Refute one of the above and I'll leave you alone; otherwise the stupidity will continue. If you can't, no problem,
kind of fun actually. Until, of course your moderators or spell checkers shut it down. No big deal for me.
Don't have a "light side" or "dark side" to defend! 8)
We all know how it ends based on the facts and evidence...
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 01:11:36 AM
Lol, like a broken record. There is no point, he'll just keep ranting and will, of course, never back up his claim with anything concrete.
Lets let him juggle on, and enjoy the circus.
Peace out.
:)
Hell yea - I'm up for it - haven't had this much fun with a Troll for a long time.
(I can see your a seasoned Troll - good, makes it more exciting)
BTW, nothing will convince you the technology works, so that's a good base)
Hey - don't quit on me - just getting started. You haven't refuted one claim yet,
only stupid stuff - that doesn't count here.
Well if that's the end of this Troll Roll - let me leave you with these reminders:
CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For
Normally I would cut the nonesense posts off before they propagate to a stupid level,
however I let this series roll to bring out a very important point that we all face when using these
public forums. The following is from a old lecture but is still valid today.
How to Quickly Spot a "CLOWN" (some insight from the Experts(?)) Just so you can recognize it for what it is.
The term "CLOWN" as used here is generic and includes "TROLLs" and "LARPs,."
Don't get suckered into wasting your time. Hardened anons should already know this stuff; This is
more a crash course for new visitors.
Good stuff to be aware of; even if it would never happen here!
They will:
- Attempt to get a divisive or emotional response from you to derail research.
- Concern troll and copy/pasta spam shill to contradict confirmed findings.
- Employ faux debate tactics: Generalizations, gas-lighting, projection, misdirection, false equivalences, confusing
correlation with causation, appeal to authority, transference, false precepts, personal attacks, straw-men, red herrings, etc.
- Promote social ethics that are disingenuous like doxxing, "reverse psychology", or promoting propaganda.
- Promote tactics that are unethical, illegal or involve methods outside the scope of the Law.
- Employ Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to dissuade research.
Topic sliding - If information of a valuable or informative nature has been posted on a discussion forum, it can be quickly
removed from public view by topic sliding.
In this technique a large number of unrelated posts, or posts aimed at diluting the information presented, are submitted in
an effort to trigger a topic slide to literally push content out of view. Operators can control several fake UIDs via the bots they
make use of; these can also be called upon in the other techniques to mask the intent of the operator from the users at large.
Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting, unless the thread is moderated, the post is now lost in a sea of
unrelated and bogus postings.
Seeding bad information - Operatives will insert flawed or bogus information from time to time as an ongoing tactic, depending
on their skill set and the needs of their mission. Their most common ruse is providing information or evidence which is backed by
bad source material in the hope that the "source of the source" is never checked. This serves several objectives,
mainly resource consumption, evidence pollution, discouragement and misdirection.
Astroturfing consensus -This is a technique that attempts to build a manufactured consensus around a flawed set of statements
or compromised information. This is related to consensus cracking, where false evidence is injected in an attempt to dispute or
discredit what the current consensus is, and push it towards the desired false consensus. Misleading and false evidence and
information are often salted into the evidence pool, with an aim to impede organic consensus building, while also poisoning the
available information and evidence.
Cultivating tacit approval (The legal term for this is 'silent agreement') - Attempting to attain this state is done using a
technique where operators will try to convince the user population to ignore, or not respond to bad information or false assertions.
This is done in a bid to reduce push-back against the above mentioned tactics.
It's worth noting that the reply filtering mechanism of the boards (which currently can't be disabled without code changes from
the site admin) is used as a weapon of sorts in this tactic: Filtering with software prevents anons from defending against seeding
bad information and astroturfing consensus. This is why the CLOWNS (operators) push so hard to condition anons into filtering
material they disagree with.
Also worth noting is it can be proven in many cases that the vast majority of these CLOWNS are well trained, well paid,
some are highly skilled, and they will often accuse you of the very "things" that they, themselves, are engaged in...
and they often work in groups while using numerious synms...
So be vigilant - it only takes one Clown to ruin a discussion or thread. Many good posters will not post or
simply leave once a Clown invades the thread.
Have a good day and happy posting...
Further to my "CLOWN - TROLL Exposure and What To Watch Out For" post above:
Since many of these Clown/Trolls are paid for posting and sometimes paid even more when you respond to their posts;
they can be quite persistant, as we have all seen, even to the point of being pesky. This is easily observed in many cases.
The best defence against this is to "Simply DO NO RESPOND" to them. Often times they will just "move on to another
thread" where they can gain a little more for their time and effort.
Clown Trolls can be a real problem, but exposing them and knowing how to mitigate their affect on a subject goes a long
way in combating this plague
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 01:29:10 AM
I don't think i ever had this much fun with a troll/clown.
"Nothing will convince you..." - nothing is exactly what you provided to back up
"Varified and Easily Replicatable". Lol, what a joke.
There, he again copy pastes his piles of bs. There is really no point.
Let him rant on. :)
Geez, thought you quit - The joke is
YOU CAN'T DO IT without someone doing it for you!
And nobody will bite...
Typical Troll!
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 01:45:34 AM
;D Thankfully, unlike you, i have been blessed with intelligence and wit to do it, you, on the otherhand, are incapable of anything but making a fool out of yourself.
But hey, since you claim success, can we see a video of your working device? No? Ohhh...
You just bit yourself in the arse, again. ;D
OK -
then do it - or prove us all wrong. (except you and I both know it works, as claimed).
Then it will be settled - for all of humanity)
Quote from: antimagnetic on February 07, 2023, 02:19:27 AM
So, no video you say. ;D Sure HES works, i been sayin' it all along, but you got nothing but lies. I am doing it in various ways but, i did not make the claim, you did. So, back up or back off. Simple.
Have you tried the LinGen - No, of course not - you've done nothing to this point but speculate nonsense
based on your "whatever." You call this lies - based on what - your expertise, from what? Have you tested it?
NO - you back up or back off. Without any evidence you're blowing smoke.
You claim you're doing it in various ways; please explain - in detail - otherwise your blowing smoke out your ass.
You know HES works, so you claim. How do you know this - you've done nothing so far.
No, I won't back off since it works. Maybe you might want to "back off a bit" until you know what your
talking about - simple.
Please, tell us how your doing it "in various ways" - that would be interesting for sure!
Get over the shock!
Sorry - have to run - meeting...
Good session tonight, the evaluation will be posted hopefully tomorrow.
Thanks Nix - quite informative. Helps us all understand the nature of the Open Forum culture and how it works.
Have a nice day! Later...
SL
Nix & SL. I find you both informative. Please try to empathise and understand each other's position and keep your interactions civil. Text is a terrible way to communicate.
I deleted several messages from user Nix as he started a flamewar. Please only real technical discussions.
Regards, Stefan. (Admin.)
No Comment
That's all Folks! (Troll away)
Bottom shot - Red Trace - flyback, only N1 Coil shown
(there are 8 total; 4N and 4S) thus, easy to capture
and use - supports PS - (hint!)...
Ref: original LinGen Rev1 - same as shown in patent.
Larger FB shot attached in pdf format
(maybe a little more readable)
[both Micsigs - STO1104C transfer very
large files to the PC program so they
need some work to reduce and still be readable]
{Hey, where'd my toll friend go - I was going to
LC him with a picture of my 2 smartscopes - just kidding!}
Attached: pdf (we'll see if this works) (sorta!) :)
While I'm here - Note the N1-4 S1-4 coils use mostly recovered FB for power,
thus the LAP forms the output (as shown in shot 1)- its a 2 stage system so to speak.
For the FlyBack (FB) trolls - the FETs are SiC driven from an 800MHz processor directly
from the internal timers (dv/dt).
Quote from: SolarLab on February 07, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
Larger FB shot attached in pdf format
(maybe a little more readable)
Attached: pdf (we'll see if this works) (sorta!) :)
Much nicer for bad eyes. Yes, I can see it clearly now.
Dang SL, remind me to never play poker with you. How long have you been holding
those cards? I mean seriously, you were only talking about laser cutting just a couple
of weeks ago. You have a whole team working on this device or just can't sleep?
Quote from: SolarLab on February 07, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
While I'm here - Note the N1-4 S1-4 coils use mostly recovered FB for power,
thus the LAP forms the output (as shown in shot 1)- its a 2 stage system so to speak.
For the FlyBack (FB) trolls - the FETs are SiC driven from an 800MHz processor directly
from the internal timers (dv/dt).
You're switching at 8ms, giving an output frequency of 125Hz? And for units, those are
actually Volts and Amps, not milliamps? Milliamps are on the input side right? Holy smoke,
that little thing cranks out the juice. Would certainly charge a cell phone without issue.
Looks like to me you are recovering all the back EMF, plus getting output from the LAP,
is that correct? The phasing isn't perfectly lined up, but there is definitely a good amount
of overlap, enough to do real work with.
That's some awesome results SL. Nice work.
Curious, do the end nodes show slightly less output than the middle nodes? Being
a linear generator instead of circular, I would think the middle transitions to perform
slightly better.
Quote from: SolarLab on February 07, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
...
While I'm here - Note the N1-4 S1-4 coils use mostly recovered FB for power,
thus the LAP forms the output (as shown in shot 1)- its a 2 stage system so to speak.
For the FlyBack (FB) trolls - the FETs are SiC driven from an 800MHz processor directly
from the internal timers (dv/dt).
These are current traces from 2 identical inductances in a Ltspice sim. The green trace I(L1) is a 12V 1ms pulse. The yellow trace I(L2) is the flyback. Interesting is that the current pulses begin 1.03ms apart, and the max amplitude is only 0.03ms apart, with almost the same amplitude.
It looks to me like the flyback could power the neg pole coils at almost the same time as the pos pole coils.
I guess this post makes me an official (FB) troll. LOL :o :P
Is this anything like what you are doing SL?
≈16 times :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuxbMfKO9Pg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuxbMfKO9Pg)
9.8997 x 8 = 79.1976 not 39.5988 ?
Quote from: Feb2006 on February 09, 2023, 03:40:30 AM
9.8997 x 8 = 79.1976 not 39.5988 ?
I was wondering what that meant. I hope one day we'll get to see your Lingen SL. Is that with the laminates or sintered powder core? Apologies if I missed that post.
Cadman has started a sibling topic here using a washing machine stator. https://overunity.com/19375/serious-hes-derivative-project-proposal/ Hopefully we'll have several different implementations out there.
Quote from: SolarLab on February 07, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
Larger FB shot attached in pdf format
(maybe a little more readable)
[both Micsigs - STO1104C transfer very
large files to the PC program so they
need some work to reduce and still be readable]
{Hey, where'd my toll friend go - I was going to
LC him with a picture of my 2 smartscopes - just kidding!}
Attached: pdf (we'll see if this works) (sorta!) :)
While I'm here - Note the N1-4 S1-4 coils use mostly recovered FB for power,
thus the LAP forms the output (as shown in shot 1)- its a 2 stage system so to speak.
For the FlyBack (FB) trolls - the FETs are SiC driven from an 800MHz processor directly
from the internal timers (dv/dt).
How unfortunate . It seems the Troll won ....
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and enthusiasm.. honesty above all.
I learned a great deal.
I'm certainly not one "practiced in the art"
I am a small cap investor.
I invested in Astra Energy ASRE on the news of the joint venture with Holcomb and found this place which answered the questions I needed. Thanks to you, Rakarsky and others for the incredible debate. Glad it's going to be archived for others to read as the years go by.
Luck to us all. This tech will be brought to market. It will be done first by AHES via the ILPG.... Astra Holcomb Energy Systems.
From there who knows...
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on February 15, 2023, 06:04:19 PM
How unfortunate . It seems the Troll won ....
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and enthusiasm.. honesty above all.
I learned a great deal.
I'm certainly not one "practiced in the art"
I am a small cap investor.
I invested in Astra Energy ASRE on the news of the joint venture with Holcomb and found this place which answered the questions I needed. Thanks to you, Rakarsky and others for the incredible debate. Glad it's going to be archived for others to read as the years go by.
Luck to us all. This tech will be brought to market. It will be done first by AHES via the ILPG.... Astra Holcomb Energy Systems.
From there who knows...
LL
I think it takes more than that to defeat SL. :) More of us are still working on variations as time permits.
The offending member Nix ( posting here again for some reason ..comparing candles to laser beams ( prehistoric simulations from Don S time to modern simulations as Solarlabs work)) his horrific exchange with Solarlab !
All his (16?)exchanges were removed by Administrator ,as he was also put on moderation for
A short time!
Hopefully there will be no attempts to derail topic again?
Quote from: nix85 on February 17, 2023, 09:34:06 AM
right now Moderator floodrod is running a thread trying to replicate the spiral magnet motor i shared on Luling thread
https://overunity.com/19382/spiral-tube-magnet-motor-build-log/
no need to say more.......
I don't want to get too involved here- but since my name was mentioned; I have to.
I like out of the box thinking and proposing ideas. But be prepared to replicate and show the results. I already know for sure some of the videos on that playlist you presented are absolutely fake.
All Ramset and others are saying is they need some proof to the claims, which I agree.. One video demonstration with no successful replications can not be considered fact.
"Science relies on reproducibility of results. In order to believe a phenomenon, it must be possible to reproduce it as an outcome of similar circumstances. Stories about one-time miracles are the foundation of myths and could be believed by the public, but they do not stand up to the standards of science" - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/to-qualify-as-scientific-evidence-has-to-be-reproducible/#:~:text=Science%20relies%20on%20reproducibility%20of,to%20the%20standards%20of%20science.
State a "Belief" without replicating it-- OK... It's a belief.. You are entitled to believe..
State something is a "FACT" -> and you better be able to reproduce it and instruct others..
They will all listen with more interest and intrigue when you present a build to test the effect. The more people that replicate something, the stronger the claim becomes.
Not to get on your case Nix, but I do not want to see you banned.
Stefan is setting up place for moderators and builders to chat
To discuss just these type of forum etiquette breaches ( posting off topic... false accusations etc etc )
And perhaps other topics relevant to growing a better builders and researchers community !
Hopefully this will be discussed in that group?
Nix
Please address questions to Stefan in message ( email)
EDIT
For clarity
Your comment on my position on Milkovick is false
I offered him an on-site demonstration ( his demonstration)
To show system running with gain or self running !
And then open source scientists within community could help write peer review paper
To help him get technology out to world!
—-///—
Also another falsehood you wrote about me denying the possibility of magnetic motors
I have never written those words !
What I did write was unless you (Nix85) can personally share the gain mechanism (in your shared
you tube videos ( other persons you tube videos not your own )
Teach ( if you know how it works!)
With your own bench tests and results for others to replicate!
You tube videos are not evidence ( millions of you tube videos showing FE and no replication)
Also many claims on YouTube of technology which has never been open sourced ( you tube is not evidence)
Here builders are spending their time and resources
And you offer none of your own !( supporting "successful " bench tests ..
Yet ...you watch persons build ( in example of spiral motor you shared a video of)
Then you wrote in Floodrods spiral motor topic "I (Nix85 ) would not waste my time with this "!
I ( Chet)invited magnet motor experimenters to spiral motor topic to help !
Unless you have built something yourself that works ..."then" ask others to replicate.
Pointing to videos and assuming the gain mechanism ( your concrete theories)
Hopefully new builder moderator discussions will sort this out
As mentioned Stefan has started a place for these discussions ( moderated builder boards
This is after all how forum will grow and more experiments and research can happen
Nix you already wrote you would not share open source ( if you ever find personal success of FE)...as you do not believe in forum mission statement here !
You want humanity to evolve ?
And other things ( occult science etc etc )
Hopefully this gets sorted for builders benefit!
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: nix85 on February 17, 2023, 12:26:45 PM
floodrod i really expect you to say concretely which videos you "know" are fake in my playlist(s).
Let's see, in the case you're right i want to remove them. But it's highly likely you are not right.
Just say videos' numbers and i'll check it.
Sorry Nix. I really have no interest in pursuing this convo. All I will say is study this one closely. In real slow motion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igIzfTyAW9c&list=PLS6CmWwu5VGl5al_O94rmKNiuSZs7Loz1&index=14
If you really want I will spill the beans on this.. but I think you can figure it out.
Floodrod and Chet,
You guys are wasting your time trying to have an intelligent conversation with nix. His name should be enough of a clue. His only real purpose in being here is to try and disrupt what others are doing. He is so insecure he just has to make comments to try and get others to respond. If you ignore him he will get bored and go away. In other words "don't feed the troll!"
Carroll
Quote from: nix85 on February 17, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
No need to be sorry, you made a claim, the least you can do is stand behind it. Ok, you linked the video, so would you point out where did you detect fakery in it.
If you can not see it yourself, he will probably post the trick later..
Just like this video.. he claims "It really works"
"Made a perpetual motion machine on a 3D printer It really works Diy Free Energy Device Igor Beletsky"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bWi1IjKiWY
Then eventually he updates with how he tricked you..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDMZR8q7_Is
Quote from: ramset on February 17, 2023, 01:02:32 PM
Stefan is setting up place for moderators and builders to chat
To discuss just these type of forum etiquette breaches ( posting off topic... false accusations etc etc )
And perhaps other topics relevant to growing a better builders and researchers community !
Hopefully this will be discussed in that group?
Nix
Please address questions to Stefan in message ( email)
EDIT
For clarity
Your comment on my position on Milkovick is false
I offered him an on-site demonstration ( his demonstration)
To show system running with gain or self running !
And then open source scientists within community could help write peer review paper
To help him get technology out to world!
—-///—
Also another falsehood you wrote about me denying the possibility of magnetic motors
I have never written those words !
What I did write was unless you (Nix85) can personally share the gain mechanism (in your shared
you tube videos ( other persons you tube videos not your own )
Teach ( if you know how it works!)
With your own bench tests and results for others to replicate!
You tube videos are not evidence ( millions of you tube videos showing FE and no replication)
Also many claims on YouTube of technology which has never been open sourced ( you tube is not evidence)
Here builders are spending their time and resources
And you offer none of your own !( supporting "successful " bench tests ..
Yet ...you watch persons build ( in example of spiral motor you shared a video of)
Then you wrote in Floodrods spiral motor topic "I (Nix85 ) would not waste my time with this "!
I ( Chet)invited magnet motor experimenters to spiral motor topic to help !
Unless you have built something yourself that works ..."then" ask others to replicate.
Pointing to videos and assuming the gain mechanism ( your concrete theories)
Hopefully new builder moderator discussions will sort this out
As mentioned Stefan has started a place for these discussions ( moderated builder boards
This is after all how forum will grow and more experiments and research can happen
Nix you already wrote you would not share open source ( if you ever find personal success of FE)...as you do not believe in forum mission statement here !
You want humanity to evolve ?
And other things ( occult science etc etc )
Hopefully this gets sorted for builders benefit!
Respectfully
Chet K
Mr Nix
You wrote falsehoods about me in this topic
Hopefully new moderator group can sort these issues
How to treat builders that share their work open source
And how to treat you tube or other unreplicated claims .
This I hope will be put into the hands of those who share their work open source here !
Run towards scrutiny not away !
Respectfully
Chet K
Nix I have removed all your baseless accusations against members. I have never accused you of anything, there is no need. If you are incapable of making a post that isn't rude or helpful then please refrain from interrupting those who are.
Thread reopened.
Thanks Jimboot,
At the risk of more abuse:
F.Y.I.
LinGen "HIGH VOLTAGE CAUTION"
Just thought this Warning should be posted!
SL
Ellen Holcomb posted a new video...
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7034568969097211904/
Astra Energy ASRE and Holcomb energy HES have formed a joint venture A-HES that is going to bring the ILPG to market. She said it will be available for purchase..... soon?
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7034568969097211904/
Thanks Lottalead,
Noted a comment to Ellen Holcomb's latest Video posted on Holcomb's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
:D
edit - added: F.Y.I.
SL, I hope that the community will continue to share thoughts, comments and its vast knowledge. This forum is very unique. Offering insights and knowledge gained from lifetimes spent in the pursuit.. for free. Rare and nearly extinct in this world. Thanks to all that contribute. Know that you spark the imaginations in many, and hopefully inspire others to pursue.
May the Schwartz be with you... ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTw2d1jb69M
Hi Lottalead,
Thanks for the good words, truely appreciated.
Unfortunately I'm not seeing much on the forums anymore that strikes my interest, or at least anything that
shows even a bit of promise with respect to excess energy generation that would prompt a detailed engineering study.
The Holcomb analysis did prove to be quite interesting and rewarding - always nice to discover an interesting concept,
study and examine it, and follow it through to a successful conclusion.
There are a couple of recent developments that look promising but they're more engineering physics oriented and would
not fit these type of forums that much - probably not at all, actually.
So, I'll just move on. Maybe in the future another excess energy idea will surface here, however, so I'll check back from
time to time.
A technical course regarding the LinGen development is in the works but I've decided to shelf the
Website for now pending what kind of reception the course receives from academia.
Regards and good luck with your HES investments.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on February 26, 2023, 01:16:08 AM
Hi Lottalead,
Thanks for the good words, truely appreciated.
Unfortunately I'm not seeing much on the forums anymore that strikes my interest, or at least anything that
shows even a bit of promise with respect to excess energy generation that would prompt a detailed engineering study.
The Holcomb analysis did prove to be quite interesting and rewarding - always nice to discover an interesting concept,
study and examine it, and follow it through to a successful conclusion.
There are a couple of recent developments that look promising but they're more engineering physics oriented and would
not fit these type of forums that much - probably not at all, actually.
So, I'll just move on. Maybe in the future another excess energy idea will surface here, however, so I'll check back from
time to time.
A technical course regarding the LinGen development is in the works but I've decided to shelf the
Website for now pending what kind of reception the course receives from academia.
Regards and good luck with your HES investments.
SL
Hi SL,
You say "successful conclusion". Can you elaborate? What was it?
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: bistander on February 26, 2023, 01:28:04 AM
Hi SL,
You say "successful conclusion". Can you elaborate? What was it?
Thanks,
bi
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533)
Ooops - forgot, for a moment there that you are on my Troll list:
(go back a few pages, you'll figure it out -
start at page 136... and in particular
137)
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573798/#msg573798 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg573798/#msg573798)
Thanks SL, I remember that.
By success I thought you meant that you actually built something that worked.
bi
Define "Success," define "built something" and define "worked!" OK, briefly:
Sucess => Knowing the detailed theory of device operation, proving that operation through
the use of professional CAE and other tools, developing a method of fabricating that device
which is cost effective, optimizing the device's operation, fabricating a "brass board" prototype,
varifying the device using bench and insitu beta testing, performing the required regulatory
examinations and requirements, and determining the best methods of manufacture, application
and distribution.
As such => Success. I've taken one aspect of the HES device from patent disclosure all the way
to an actual device and provided the detailed theory along the way.
For me, and likely many others, that's defined as a Success!
And, for your information, Youtube videos and forum Cartoon Pictures are of little value, IMHO.
We all know how to wind coils already! The proof-of-concept and the understanding of that concept
is what really counts and is the really important part! Individual fabrication schemes are not of any
real importance once you understand the theory.
I have never seen any youtube videos nor pictures of "succcessful devices," that included any
credible or varified "theory-of-operation," including fabrication details, except for those found on
the HES channel, including the LinGen, and were re-posted on the forums.
Therefore, I believe I'm quite safe in claiming the LinGen is the first "excess energy" device that
explains in detail how and where the "excess energy" is generated and how to build such a device.
Thus => Sucess!
Now, if you're still claiming the device outlined in the pdf linked below is not a success, then we simply
see things differently. You are, of course, free to do things the way you see best; but please don't try to
impose your prospectives or projections on others! TIA
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533)
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on February 26, 2023, 12:18:29 PM
Define "Success," define "built something" and define "worked!" OK, briefly:
Sucess => Knowing the detailed theory of device operation, proving that operation through
the use of professional CAE and other tools, developing a method of fabricating that device
which is cost effective, optimizing the device's operation, fabricating a "brass board" prototype,
varifying the device using bench and insitu beta testing, performing the required regulatory
examinations and requirements, and determining the best methods of manufacture, application
and distribution.
As such => Success. I've taken one aspect of the HES device from patent disclosure all the way
to an actual device and provided the detailed theory along the way.
For me, and likely many others, that's defined as a Success!
And, for your information, Youtube videos and forum Cartoon Pictures are of little value, IMHO.
We all know how to wind coils already! The proof-of-concept and the understanding of that concept
is what really counts and is the really important part! Individual fabrication schemes are not of any
real importance once you understand the theory.
I have never seen any youtube videos nor pictures of "succcessful devices," that included any
credible or varified "theory-of-operation," including fabrication details, except for those found on
the HES channel, including the LinGen, and were re-posted on the forums.
Therefore, I believe I'm quite safe in claiming the LinGen is the first "excess energy" device that
explains in detail how and where the "excess energy" is generated and how to build such a device.
Thus => Sucess!
Now, if you're still claiming the device outlined in the pdf linked below is not a success, then we simply
see things differently. You are, of course, free to do things the way you see best; but please don't try to
impose your prospectives or projections on others! TIA
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg574533/#msg574533)
SL
Hi SL,
Good for you. You must be proud. Enjoy your success.
However I fail to see anything useful that can be replicated and be proven to function in actual application or a written theory having peer review and accepted in the scientific community.
There is no need for you rant and call me names as you've done before. I've said my view. I'll stand by and watch.
bi
ps. Upon preview of my reply, I see you added a note with pdf link. I admit that I am not familiar with the software which generated those graphs, but using visual approximations, I see about 100 watts input and 60VA output.
Hi bistander,
Maybe you can elaborate in detail on your findings and conclusions from the
CAE charts and the system in general. Some real detailed engineering analysis
would be helpful - but not relating to rotating motor or generator theories; we
all know most of that already and it's well covered in the literature.
Maybe their CAE results and my measurements need re-examination! Could
be useful feedback to give to HES, Ansys, SW-EMS, and CST as well.
Thanks in advance.
Expert analysis of the actual design, and technical reviews, are always appreciated.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on February 26, 2023, 02:30:25 PM
Hi bistander,
Maybe you can elaborate in detail on your findings and conclusions from the
CAE charts and the system in general. Some real detailed engineering analysis
would be helpful - but not relating to rotating motor or generator theories; we
all know most of that already and it's well covered in the literature.
Maybe their CAE results and my measurements need re-examination! Could
be useful feedback to give to HES, Ansys, SW-EMS, and CST as well.
Thanks in advance.
Expert analysis of the actual design, and technical reviews, are always appreciated.
SL
No thanks SL,
I've learned my lesson from you. I didn't intend to reply further. As I mentioned, casual interpretation of the charts was all, in hopes that you might inform us the actual power input and output.
bi
No problem, just thought I'd ask, anyway.
As with many developments, there are number of variables that need to be understood and
optimized to realize a target application. But in order to organize a systematic approach to
finding the best solution, no matter the approach, you need to gain an appreciation for the
underlying theory and the many interactions.
The "Cook Book" for the LinGen, and other similar devices, is still being written!
However, as can be observed from some of the posts now appearing, at least a few basic concepts
are being understood and discussed (B-H Curves, electrical steel, magnetic circuits, controllers, etc.)
which I do find somewhat encouraging.
Quote from: SolarLab,SL,FIN,fin.,whatever-you-are on February 26, 2023, 03:38:14 PM
The "Cook Book" for the LinGen, and other similar devices, is still being written!
Many thanks for all the hard work.
A couple of hours processing time and you should have that book completed.
When you have a new interface to forums other than SMF, please do publish
to Beyond Unity (https://free-energy.proboards.com/). Several good builders there that would take your work
and transform it to real hardware for 3rd party testing and validation.
Dog-One,
Thanks!
It's apparent however you've never done design work - "a couple of hours processing time
and you should have the book completed" - WELL, maybe cows will fly soon! ;)
HEY, YOU FORUM GUYS STILL CRACK ME UP! :)
Keeping the design focused on the application is challenging but a bit of fun (40V Lithium
replacemen or running your refrigerator).
There's some more to do however (legal [gov] and royalties) to protect all those involved;
but it's moving along.
I'll attach an old story that "carbon copies" my philosophy. :)
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on February 23, 2023, 03:07:16 AM
Thanks Jimboot,
At the risk of more abuse:
F.Y.I.
LinGen "HIGH VOLTAGE CAUTION"
Just thought this Warning should be posted!
SL
Good preliminary result!
There are several questions:
- What is the ohmic resistance of the output winding?
- What is the peak excitation power?
- What loads did you connect and the level of voltage drop under load?
- The ratio of the turns of the excitation coil and the turns of the output winding (in your version, the number of wires in the groove of the excitation and the wires in the groove of the output coil), this is necessary to avoid the effect of the proportion of the ratio of the turns of the transformer).
Quote from: rakarskiy on February 27, 2023, 02:46:31 AM
Good preliminary result!
There are several questions:
- What is the ohmic resistance of the output winding?
- What is the peak excitation power?
- What loads did you connect and the level of voltage drop under load?
- The ratio of the turns of the excitation coil and the turns of the output winding (in your version, the number of wires in the groove of the excitation and the wires in the groove of the output coil), this is necessary to avoid the effect of the proportion of the ratio of the turns of the transformer).
Hi Rakarskiy,
Good to hear your still with us - I worry a bit considering your where abouts and the situation.
Note that the "High Voltage Caution" pdf was posted as a warning - saturating the inputs with a "light"
load (100K ohm || 10uF Capacitive) can result in lethal voltages on the LAP winding (400Vpp at 1A).
That can be hard on equipment and it's enough to kill you.
Most of your other questions are answered in the pdf. Load drops appear to be the standard simple series/parallel
circuit combinations (LAP winding into whatever the load is). E.G. the 10uF||100K changed the V/I phase as expected.
So far there doesn't appear to any surprises until you reach the material saturation but the # of coil turns and ratios
seems to be very important (sensitive) which stands to reason. It's a trade-off balancing act like most devices.
The large rise in output may be due to a resonance but that effect still needs further investigation.
Input Flyback (some call it BEMF) recovery is not shown in the pdf schematic but it looks like near 80% can be
re-used with a simple diode scheme - maybe more using switched FETs - TBD.
Still a work-in-progress as time permits, but interesting enough thus far that I'll do a few more tests with various configurations, including some different physical schemes.
How's your and your friends stuff coming? Good I hope! Looks like he has access to a Laser Cutter. Nice!
Take care,
SL
Hello SolarLab!
I would not rush to conclusions: P = UI = 400V * 1A = 400W (This is a serious statement).
For such an indicator, an appropriate core is needed for the corresponding Ф=BS magnetic flux. Further, your 400V peak value should correspond to the formula E = 4.44 Фf.
You modestly kept silent about the resistance of the circuits, the cost of excitation, the places where the magnetic flux from the wires of the phase winding disappears.
I won't jump to conclusions, I'll wait for more serious tests of your generator. I hope to see a picture of the device to see the scale.
Sincerely, and I look forward to your new data, with more detailed design and calculations of the corresponding episodes of the generator.
Why does my output power taken from the rotor depend on its position inside the stator?
At what angle is it rotated inside. I think you do too.
Doesn't this mean that we consume something else from the stator besides the rotating field ?
This is direct induction as in a conventional transformer.
It is could for you to achieve that at any position of the rotor inside the stator, the output EMF does not change ?
This will mean that the energy in the secondary is available only due to the rotating field.
And nothing else. I haven't been able to achieve it yet...
saliency
Having salient features, meaning a nonuniform or unsmooth shape gives different reluctance for magnetic path dependent on relative angular position causing magnitude of flux to vary.
My guess. I don't know what your parts look like. Also, isn't input to rotor and output to stator? Although in transformer it can be either way.
bi
Quote from: bistander on February 28, 2023, 12:23:15 PM
gives different reluctance for magnetic path dependent on relative angular position causing magnitude of flux to vary.
Yes, that's how it is, perhaps.
So how do we want to use only rotation if we can't get rid of the parasitic interaction?
Or we do not know at all, what we using.
Quote from: rakarskiy on February 28, 2023, 02:28:21 AM
Hello SolarLab!
I would not rush to conclusions: P = UI = 400V * 1A = 400W (This is a serious statement).
For such an indicator, an appropriate core is needed for the corresponding Ф=BS magnetic flux. Further, your 400V peak value should correspond to the formula E = 4.44 Фf.
You modestly kept silent about the resistance of the circuits, the cost of excitation, the places where the magnetic flux from the wires of the phase winding disappears.
I won't jump to conclusions, I'll wait for more serious tests of your generator. I hope to see a picture of the device to see the scale.
Sincerely, and I look forward to your new data, with more detailed design and calculations of the corresponding episodes of the generator.
Hi Rakarskiy,
I agree, a little early in the development to rush to any firm conclusions, especially with respect to a detailed
theory-of-operaton or optimum performance parameters.
Since the initial investigation used several different CAE tools, I'm going to go back to the beginning analysis and
use only the lastest CAE tool. This has to be done for continuity and documentation anyway; and it might
add bit to my limited knowledge base and tool expertise.
In the mean time, I'll wait for this groups Analytic Solutions or some results from a physical Prototype build.
Then I'll have something to reference against - which was the original intent of comparing various design approaches.
Regards,
SL Attached a graph of "Stranded wire loss for both LAP turns and Coil turns (turns) for "turns" - Linear step from
10 to 700, step=50; and "lap_turns" - Linear step from 1 to 400, step=30. This relates to your "wire_R" question
I believe. You can see why a simple answer is a bit diffiult to respond to. Just for reference so I won't try to size it.
Quote from: kolbacict on February 28, 2023, 10:06:35 AM
Why does my output power taken from the rotor depend on its position inside the stator?
At what angle is it rotated inside. I think you do too.
Doesn't this mean that we consume something else from the stator besides the rotating field ?
This is direct induction as in a conventional transformer.
It is could for you to achieve that at any position of the rotor inside the stator, the output EMF does not change ?
This will mean that the energy in the secondary is available only due to the rotating field.
And nothing else. I haven't been able to achieve it yet...
Hi Kolbacict and Bistander,
Thanks for the great question (... position inside stator). Got me thinking about the physical
configuration with respect to the LinGen and the saturated output anomoly - fooled with the offset
a bit just now (Magnetostatic) and you may have hit the
JackPot!
More later, as it develops - Free Beer if it works out... Thanks Again!
SL PS - also fixed the cartoon over-size.
Quote from: rakarskiy on February 28, 2023, 02:28:21 AM
Hello SolarLab!
I would not rush to conclusions: P = UI = 400V * 1A = 400W (This is a serious statement).
For such an indicator, an appropriate core is needed for the corresponding Ф=BS magnetic flux. Further, your 400V peak value should correspond to the formula E = 4.44 Фf.
You modestly kept silent about the resistance of the circuits, the cost of excitation, the places where the magnetic flux from the wires of the phase winding disappears.
I won't jump to conclusions, I'll wait for more serious tests of your generator. I hope to see a picture of the device to see the scale.
Sincerely, and I look forward to your new data, with more detailed design and calculations of the corresponding episodes of the generator.
Hi Rakarskiy,
A bit more in response to your comments and concerns. The attached notes are from a COMSOL course a while
back as I recall - can't find it on the internet however; so it's attached.
Covers both Analytical and Numerical approaches to a Fault Current Limiter design but the first five chapters are generic
to developing most devices of similar structure, including the LinGen. It's quite comprehensive and well done IMHO.
You're probably intimately familiar with most of the stuff covered however it might be a useful read for others.
Hope we can compare your analytical data with my numerical data sometime soon - I'm curious to review the results.
SL Attached: "Winded Coils and Ferromagnetic Cores" a.k.a faullt_current_limiter.pdf
Use beam modulation with certain frequency,and you can measure speed of rotation magnetic field.
https://youtu.be/9IBGr7OAkbM (https://youtu.be/9IBGr7OAkbM)
https://youtu.be/Del6ztSKttw (https://youtu.be/Del6ztSKttw)
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=JP267969253&_cid=P10-LERBFZ-72786-55 (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=JP267969253&_cid=P10-LERBFZ-72786-55)
bars of transformer steel (sets of that plates) were placed between the stator and the glass tube of the kinescope.
Similarly, as it is done in mechanical magnetic gearboxes.
In order to increase or decrease the natural rotation speed of the field.
The picture on the screen has changed, but I have not recorded a clear change in the rotation speed.
Interpret the picture , the data received is not enough mind.
If you don't want to help ме, I have to myself... :)
p.s. https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/189964/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/189964/image//)
What is this?
Anti-magnetism annihilation permanent generator
[Claim(s)]
[Claim 1]
A power plant which used as resources space which takes out the big energy generated
at the annihilation quantum reaction of the right magnetism which carried out pair
creation to the ring-core type magnetism mini black hole placed into the revolving
magnetic field, and anti-magnetism as electric power
[Claim 2]
A permanent power plant which returns a part of output power which occurred by an
annihilation quantum reaction as input energy, and could be made to do power
generation with the circuit system by electric power multiplication eternally
[Claim 3]
The system which increases and takes out the input power from [ a small portion of ]
the outside to big electric power by the electric power multiplication of this
equipment
[Detailed description of the invention]
[0001][Field of industrial application] The power supply for electric vehicles,
generator for plant
[0002]The power plant of the [Description of the Prior Art] former is generated with
the energy by nuclear fission etc. using a fossil fuel, uranium, etc. [Problem which
invention solves and it makes like] Although the method of converting mass to energy
has nuclear fission and an annihilation reaction by combination of nuclear fusion,
other particles, and an antiparticle conventionally, the antiparticle cannot perform
extensive generation by some labors in the present technology, but utilization is
still impossible. Then, anti-magnetism is one of those can carry out extensive
generation by some labors instead of an antiparticle. If there is anti-electrical and
electric equipment of an anti-electron and antiproton, naturally it will be
predicted that there is also anti-magnetism and an antiparticle and anti-magnetism
will become equivalent in terms of quanta.
[0003]If there is an annihilation reaction of an antiparticle, naturally, there is
also an annihilation reaction of anti-magnetism and it has taken out the big energy
generated at the annihilation reaction by combination with right magnetism and
anti-magnetism as electric power. Although an antiparticle is if it is simply
generated around the black hole in Dr. Hawking's theory, it is impossible for us to
obtain the antiparticle.
[0004]If a ring-core type magnetism mini black hole is built on [Means for Solving
the Problem], then an artificial target, anti-magnetism is easily generable with
slight energies. When it describes with Drawings, [ the structure of a magnetic mini
black hole ] By the method of Fig.1, a plurality of coils of about 50-set 50 phase
are wholly rolled in the same direction like 2, and 50 sets of leads on the winding
start side are packed into one, and it is considered as one pole, a total of 50
rectifiers 3 are altogether prepared in the direction of the winding finish side on
the pole of the same +, and it collects into the surroundings of the ring core 1 one.
[0005]If the coil 5 for three phase alternating currents is arranged the outside and
inside a ring-core type magnetism mini black hole, and an about 600-Hz three phase
alternating current is passed inside and they are made to generate a revolving
magnetic field like Fig.2, If induced voltage occurs in the coil of a ring core and
the output current is rectified, it will become a very smooth direct current by a
plurality of source resultant pulse numbers and capacitors 4. [ about 25 sets of the
single-sided half of 50 sets of coils wound around the ring core ] The induced
voltage of a forward direction occurs to a rectifier, and the induced voltage of an
opposite direction occurs in about 25 sets of the remaining one side half, Since
current flows into the coil of the single-sided half of a ring core, positive
magnetism occurs and current does not flow into the coil of the remaining one side
half, there is no electromotive force, but the equivalent anti-magnetism by an
equivalence principle is generated, and the rotary type pear of the right magnetism
of Fig.3 and anti-magnetism is generated instead of.
[0006][Equivalent description of anti-magnetism] Although there are an electromagnet
and a permanent magnet in a magnet, only in the single-sided half of a ring core like
Fig.4, densely, about a coil, when winding current is sent, the inside of a ring
core has little magnetic resistance, and magnetic flux becomes the one closed
electromagnet A which aligned at the single tier. However, two magnetism of rightward
facing the left like Fig.5 occurs, two points which collided become a n pole and the
south pole, and the massive ring core placed into a revolving magnetic field like
Fig.5 and the magnetism which the induced current by a revolving magnetic field
flowed through and generated in the short-circuit-winding type ring core become A and
a B-2 piece magnet. If an induced current flows into the ring core placed into the
revolving magnetic field, A and the B-2 piece magnetism which faced each other will
usually occur.
[0007]In the case of the ring-core type magnetism mini black hole of Fig.3, In spite
of being placed into the revolving magnetic field, A and B-2 piece magnetism occur in
the direction which aligned at the single tier, It is not because unlike the case of
ordinary electromagnet Fig.4 B was only **(ed) by the magnetism of one side A and it
aligned, It means that an anti-electron is electrified physically at the
surroundings on the ring-core B side, it regards that it is equal to the
magnetomotive force which occurred since anti-current flowed, and the anti-electron
is flowing physically by the equivalence principle of an electromagnet and a
permanent magnet even if the anti-electron is not actually flowing into the
surroundings of B, and anti-magnetism was generated. Anti-magnetism is in direct
proportion to output power, and is generated. Only when the ring-core type magnetism
mini black hole is placed on in the hall [ by a revolving magnetic field /
electromagnetic ], pair creation of the equivalent anti-magnetism is carried out, and
in ordinary electromagnet Fig.4, the magnetism of the whole ring core only turns
into a series of closed right magnetism.
[0008]The point which it is careful of needs to make output current the smoothest
possible direct current, in the pulsating flow of exchange or change with an intense
output, in the magnetic flux which occurred in the ring core, a direction changes
with change of output current continuously, magnetic flux flows out outside then,
magnetic energy is lacked, and pair creation does not break out. Since an inductance
is high, a voltage drop breaks out. Since the pear of the right magnetism which
carried out pair creation into the ring-core type magnetism mini black hole, and
anti-magnetism annihilates, magnetic flux is not emitted outside but is nonresistant
to an outside revolving magnetic field, It does not act on an external three phase
coil, but the three phase current of an input has the power unrelated to the size of
downstream output power by Lenz's law, and it is substantially fixed. Input power is
the agency energy for inducing a pair creation reaction, and is not the energy of
direct-output electric power.
[0009]Like Fig.6, by returning the electric power of 1(4%)/25 degree of a dc output
as electric power of a three phase alternating current inverter, and circulating
through it, pair creation and an annihilation reaction can be caused continuously and
continuous big electric power can be taken out by electric power multiplication.
Power generation as output 15kW can be performed like input 500W as an example.
[0010][Effect of the invention] This permanent generator is an electric power growth
machine using the annihilation quantum reaction of anti-magnetism and right
magnetism, Since the power supply for electric vehicles and the large-sized thing for
plant can also be built, and a fossil fuel etc. are not needed like the conventional
power plant, since big electric power can be generated even if small, but infinite
space serves as resources, it becomes energy saving and pollution-free permanent
clean energy.
[Brief description of the drawings]
[Fig. 1] It is a schematic illustration of a ring-core type magnetism mini black
hole.
[Fig. 2] It is a plan view of the three phase alternating current coil for revolving
magnetic field generating.
[Fig. 3] It is the right magnetism and the plan view of anti-magnetism which were
generated in the magnetic mini black hole.
[Fig. 4] It is a plan view of a ring-core type electromagnet.
[Fig. 5] It is the magnetic plan view generated in the massive ring core by the
revolving magnetic field.
[Fig. 6] It is a schematic illustration of the permanent generator by circuit system
electric power multiplication.
[Explanation of letters or numerals]
1. Ring Core
2 Five-Step Pile Coil
3. Rectifier
4 Capacitor
5. Coil for three phase alternating currents
6 600Hz Three Phase Alternating Current Inverter
qwekw
It's a wonderful theory but not nearly complex enough...
I think we would require much more anti-magnetism, anti-electrical, anti-what-ever-you-call-it, multiverses and worm holes to even make a dent in the current paradigm. Maybe even multiple rabbit holes where we could simply de-materialize and jump down all of them simultaneously... wouldn't that be something.
AC
Appears off-topic. Perhaps a devoted thread?
bi
Quote from: bistander on March 04, 2023, 12:50:37 AM
Appears off-topic. Perhaps a devoted thread?
bi
Well, I have messages on the case. But again no one pays attention.
Maybe you just want to chat, relax ?
If the field with my iron bars will not spin faster, or at least slower,
That means the field is not real, it's all an illusion.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 03, 2023, 11:15:19 AM
bars of transformer steel (sets of that plates) were placed between the stator and the glass tube of the kinescope.
Similarly, as it is done in mechanical magnetic gearboxes.
In order to increase or decrease the natural rotation speed of the field.
The picture on the screen has changed, but I have not recorded a clear change in the rotation speed.
Interpret the picture , the data received is not enough mind.
If you don't want to help ме, I have to myself... :)
I pay attention to you, but do not understand your experiment. Sorry. Had hoped to learn more from other replies. Since we see none, can you expand.... Show more? What/how you did it? How you measured? What you are after? You mentioned mechanical gearbox analogy, please give example reference. How is this on-topic to Holcomb? Are you attempting to see gain by inserting steel?
bi
If we remove antimagnetism, black holes and other literary aphorisms, an interesting patent to check. Probably there are no attempts to reproduce. The idea of the game of switching threads is very funny, in some places it intersects with Figuera. There are solutions that are incomprehensible from the point of view of EMF, there will be idle locked sections. Holcomb's cleanliness is even further away, as Holcomb is a traditional synchronous generator with only no moving parts.
This is how magnetic contactless transmission works.
Only I have a stator with a three-phase current instead of the primary shaft, and instead of the secondary shaft, the rotation of the electron beam.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 04, 2023, 02:04:11 AM
This is how magnetic contactless transmission works.
Only I have a stator with a three-phase current instead of the primary shaft, and instead of the secondary shaft, the rotation of the electron beam.
Hi kolbacict,
The transmission has 3 members. Outer magnets <-> steel middle. And inner magnets <-> steel middle. <-> symbol indicates reaction force both directions.
Electron beam has no reaction force on the metal plates used in the middle member. So it will not behave the same as magnets. Also, the electron beam does not have a pole count like a inner ring of magnets. It only reflects pole count put to it from magnetic field.
So I would not expect different frequency.
bi
Hi bi
I agree that the electron beam has no poles.
But that the electron beam has no reaction force, I would argue.
In that case it couldn't move. IMHO.
Quote
So I would not expect different frequency.
And so, you might be right.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 04, 2023, 03:35:20 AM
Hi bi
I agree that the electron beam has no poles.
But that the electron beam has no reaction force, I would argue.
In that case it couldn't move. IMHO.And so, you might be right.
You are correct, but in this context, would/could that electron beam have enough force to move your steel? That is what I meant..
bi
Okay, figs with him, with a beam.
We need to use not a beam as a secondary shaft, but Holcomb's secondary winding along with iron.
To speed up the movement of the magnetic field for free.
What will happen in this case?
Quote from: kolbacict on March 04, 2023, 04:36:08 AM
Okay, figs with him, with a beam.
We need to use not a beam as a secondary shaft, but Holcomb's secondary winding along with iron.
To speed up the movement of the magnetic field for free.
What will happen in this case?
You have concluded that Holcomb increases speed of magnetic field. Is that correct?
bi
Quote from: bistander on March 04, 2023, 04:51:16 AM
You have concluded that Holcomb increases speed of magnetic field. Is that correct?
bi
Really perhaps. But I didn't think so. You said it.
It's just that everyone claims, and especially UFO, that the faster the primary windings are switched, the higher the output power. Yes, I did it myself also, although my output power was small. So I think that the rotation speed can be increased by the switching frequency, or by a mechanical gearbox as well. ;)
Just got off the blower with Prof Timothy Vaughn who's video about the apparent gain mechanism in the HES devices appears earlier in this thread. He visited both the Holcomb facility and a HVAC factory nearby that has an ILPG installed and who's power usage with it installed is shown is the posts quoting Florida Light & power earlier in this thread.
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When visiting the HVAC facility the owner allowed him to open up the ILPG. He said essentially it looked like an AC 3 phase motor with Holcomb custom inner stator. He said could only see large electrolytic caps but no electronic switching, relays or fets. Just 3 wires in and 3 wires out.
The factory owner during summer he was able to run the AC with the doors open and his power bill always stayed the same.
Interestingly if you tried to run it without a significant enough load the Pin would exceed the Pout. So the load is part of the effect.
He met with Dr Holcomb at their facility and whilst there saw all shapes and sizes of various devices. From the size of a coffee tin to the large ones you see in their videos. From the measurements he witnessed he saw a 3-4X OU effect.
He saw the linear generator that was using fets and an arduino
He saw an new 60kw version they were working on that had 3 concentric stators.
When the device was running he said it sounded like a transformer with a barley audible hum and was room temp to touch.
He saw both inductive and resistive loads used.
He said the Dr, seemed to learn from practical experiments and builds rather than physics theory. He was not aware what he was trying to do was in violation of the 2nd law.
He found everyone very welcoming and open and he took a lot of photos which he is hoping to share. No one asked him to invest in anything.
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During the conversation it reminded me of Marks TPU. I asked Tim point blank how did he feel about it now? His response was he couldn't see how they could have faked anything and nothing gave him any reason to believe that they were. Especially the happy customer with the HVAC factory. Be interested in everyone's thoughts.
I can't find your reference for youtube(Ufo ?) ,which is showing mechanical brush commutator running by electromotor. I wished to share with some knowing people...
But that was almost year ago.
Here you go https://youtu.be/LVVxUcuX65w (https://youtu.be/LVVxUcuX65w)
Quote from: Jimboot on July 13, 2022, 01:49:11 AM
Certainly the only one we know of that is shipping.
This is the post that is related to the HVAC factory running an ilpg https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg568816/#msg568816
QuoteInterestingly, if you try to run it without a significant enough load, Pin will exceed Pout. So the load is part of the effect.
Jimboot, you will be surprised, but the traditional generator works on the same principle, where the load is dominant for the magnetic system of the generator (more precisely, the current from the phase that forms the magnetic flux in the core), and the lifting system plays the role of control. I also came to the conclusion that it is necessary to excite the current in the phase and coordinate with the excitation.
In addition, I nevertheless came to the conclusion that I was doing exactly the transformer version, in fact, this is Figuera. In such a system, there are difficulties with starting.
Electromagnetism cannot destroy the second law of thermodynamics, and the Carnot cycle has nothing to do with electromagnetism.
Thanks for the review!
Quote from: rakarskiy on March 10, 2023, 06:59:31 AM
Jimboot, you will be surprised, but the traditional generator works on the same principle, where the load is dominant for the magnetic system of the generator (more precisely, the current from the phase that forms the magnetic flux in the core), and the lifting system plays the role of control. I also came to the conclusion that it is necessary to excite the current in the phase and coordinate with the excitation.
In addition, I nevertheless came to the conclusion that I was doing exactly the transformer version, in fact, this is Figuera. In such a system, there are difficulties with starting.
Electromagnetism cannot destroy the second law of thermodynamics, and the Carnot cycle has nothing to do with electromagnetism.
Thanks for the review!
I'm learning more everyday:) Thanks mate. I'm working with a washing machine motor atm. The rotor had 8 perm mags in between steel laminate wedges and then dipped in epoxy. Removing them I'm left with a 8 pole rotor. My slots for coils is only 8mm though so I won't be using 18awg 5 in hand though. I'd like to explore the effect more using the caps and a multipole rotor before printing and sintering a new rotor. I have to print a new winding jig first like Holcombs then do the calculations for my winds/caps. I have renewed enthusiasm. :)
Hi Jimbut!
I think that this core is unsuitable for a solid-state rotor on controlled electromagnets. This design is a good permanent magnet rotor for generator. I found the first instance of such a decision in 1989 (USSR)
I am just describing the work of a magnetic field, such a rotor in terms of the topology of the magnetic flux in a synchronous generator.
https://patents.su/?search=1495929&type=number
Quote from: Jimboot on March 11, 2023, 11:20:02 PM
... and a multipole rotor before printing and sintering a new rotor...
:o :o Oh please, do tell! What does it take for DIY sintering and how can we do it? Seriously! :)
Quote from: Cadman on March 12, 2023, 08:50:22 AM
:o :o Oh please, do tell! What does it take for DIY sintering and how can we do it? Seriously! :)
basically a kiln is my understanding. Virtualfoundry.com sell a lot of products for sintering. Just saw today they had "glass" filament.
Quote from: Cadman on March 12, 2023, 08:50:22 AM
:o :o Oh please, do tell! What does it take for DIY sintering and how can we do it? Seriously! :)
Member Grumage (chief principle of "Alan Foundry ")
Might have input on this too ?
Will ask .
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: Cadman on March 12, 2023, 08:50:22 AM
:o :o Oh please, do tell! What does it take for DIY sintering and how can we do it? Seriously! :)
Hi Cadman,
From what I understand you're trying something a bit different than SMC but some of the info might
relate to your approach as well.
One good source of information re: SMC (Soft Magnetic Compounds - powdered stuff) might be:
https://www.horizontechnology.biz/ (https://www.horizontechnology.biz/)
Talk to Jennifer T. and she can direct you to whoever knows whatever...
They're a pretty good group all around, and they know their stuff.
Here's a brief for reference but the web Site has quite a bit of detailed info.
https://www.horizontechnology.biz/?utm_campaign=SMC%20awareness%20stage%20e-book&utm_source=E-book&utm_medium=Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Soft%20Magnetic%20Composites (https://www.horizontechnology.biz/?utm_campaign=SMC%20awareness%20stage%20e-book&utm_source=E-book&utm_medium=Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Soft%20Magnetic%20Composites)
Big subject and there are a lot of various choices for fabrication materials. Can't suggest anything just yet, still
studying different approaches and lots of testing to still be completed.
Good Luck! Regards,
SL Direct link to "Sintered" - note the differences (SMM vs SMC):
https://www.horizontechnology.biz/blog/what-is-sintered-soft-magnetic-material
ooops, wrong thread!
sorry
A permalloy laminated ring is put on top of the stator with a three-phase current in it.
Four turns of wire are wound on this ring.
My considerations were that in this winding EMF should be induced only from a rotating magnetic field. There should be no other transiductions from the stator to the ring.
I'm a little disappointed. The amplitude between the phases on the stator is 2 volts.
The amplitude on my winding on the ring is 20 millivolts. Without load.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 13, 2023, 04:10:49 AM
A permalloy laminated ring is put on top of the stator with a three-phase current in it.
Four turns of wire are wound on this ring.
My considerations were that in this winding EMF should be induced only from a rotating magnetic field. There should be no other transiductions from the stator to the ring.
I'm a little disappointed. The amplitude between the phases on the stator is 2 volts.
The amplitude on my winding on the ring is 20 millivolts. Without load.
Is the voltage ratio ~= turns ratio? Like in transformer.
bi
Is your outrunner core wound like this one?
What RPM is the field spinning at?
Actually a little surprised you got much voltage to measure at all.
More turns of enamel wire certainly would boost the voltage some.
If you can get at least a couple of volts out of it, checking the
amperage would be useful information.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 13, 2023, 04:10:49 AM
A permalloy laminated ring is put on top of the stator with a three-phase current in it.
Four turns of wire are wound on this ring.
My considerations were that in this winding EMF should be induced only from a rotating magnetic field. There should be no other transiductions from the stator to the ring.
I'm a little disappointed. The amplitude between the phases on the stator is 2 volts.
The amplitude on my winding on the ring is 20 millivolts. Without load.
To understand the rotation of a field that rotates in a static core, there must be a constant magnetic field. From the distribution of the magnetic field strength in the body of the core relative to the conductor, an EMF will be induced.
It's just that you can't take different components from different devices and make a bullet.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 13, 2023, 04:35:11 AM
Is your outrunner core wound like this one?
What RPM is the field spinning at?
Yes, the stator is wound exactly that.
frequency 400 Hz. More my frequency converter does not issue.
Of course, there are few turns on the secondary. I agree. But I couldn't placed it here anymore. I'll redo it.
Most importantly, I seem to have found that only a virtual rotating field can be induced in the ring around the stator. And nothing but that. All other ring will be ignored.
Am I right ? 8)
Quote from: kolbacict on March 13, 2023, 05:46:34 AM
Most importantly, I seem to have found that only a virtual rotating field can be induced in the ring around the stator. And nothing but that. All other ring will be ignored.
After careful thought, I came to the conclusion that I may have been wrong about this. :(
To neutralize the direct transformer effect of the primary and secondary windings, they must be arranged other. And, perhaps one winding is not enough. we need several. I will think about it.
For now, another experiment. Secondary 22 turns. The voltage on the secondary winding has already risen to half a volt peak-peak.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 13, 2023, 04:35:11 AM
Is your outrunner core wound like this one?
What RPM is the field spinning at?
Actually a little surprised you got much voltage to measure at all.
More turns of enamel wire certainly would boost the voltage some.
If you can get at least a couple of volts out of it, checking the
amperage would be useful information.
Could you showed circuit like that having an even number of poles.
For instance twelve.
I think how to place windings along the perimeter of the ring, to the total induced in they induction from the stator is zero.
By the way, there were projects here, someone laid out with windings around the perimeter of the ring. Too bad I didn't really get into it then.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 15, 2023, 12:45:20 AM
Could you showed circuit like that having an even number of poles.
For instance twelve.
With three-phase input, you need a number divisible by 3. So yes,
12 would work, so would 15, 18, 21 and so on.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 15, 2023, 12:45:20 AM
I think how to place windings along the perimeter of the ring, to the total induced in they induction from the stator is zero.
I think a partial secret to Holcomb is different from what you are
doing. You do not want to have your output coils interfere with
the flux path produced by the exciter coils, otherwise you have
a simple transformer. Instead, your output coils need only be
near the flux path; they capture energy from the transitions
when the exciter coils switch to the new position. They only
need to be exposed to the change in flux. When you do it this
way, the Lenz reaction from a load on your output coils cannot
interfere with what the exciter coils are doing.
Probably - TIME FOR A LITTLE REVIEW of some fundamentals
The first 20 minutes or so are mandatory, the rest is still quite interesting.
"The Amazing World of Electromagnetics (revised)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTriTMZEnk
Professor Raymon C. Rumpf
I was challenged with introducing all of electromagnetics in one hour to students just out of high school and entering college.
This video is my attempt at this. Electromagnetics is a very mathematically intense discipline involving vector calculus, differential
equations and other things that make this challenging. Here I have tried to explain everything visually with no math. I do present
some equations, but only to satisfy students curiosity about what the equations may look like. I hope you enjoy the video and get
something out of it. I also hope it helps recruit more students into the area of electromagnetics and optics. The video was fun to
create!
Worth the watch - especially the first 20 minutes!
SL
If there is something that rotate around stator which is having three phase current.
That something is rotating in air around stator poles. It is virtual rotating magnetic field.
Therefore, if you put an iron bandage on the stator, will this field move even more comfortably?
Off-topic but still relates to OU - Educational.
The car is powered only by the wind. There is no motor or batteries of any kind.
But, the car moves faster than the wind (Power = Force x Velocity).
"Risking My Life To Settle A Physics Debate" [a little "over the top - but thats Hollywood!]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag&t=529s
"A Physics Prof Bet Me $10,000 I'm Wrong" [more in-depth discussion, etc.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsgoLc_fzI
Also - A.K.A. "How to make some easy money with your OU Invention" (irony, of course; but look Who paid Who?) :)
Thanks goes out to Marrithonman @
https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/thread/7/1908-mechanical-general-discussion?page=24
SL
PS - Just another "Saturday afternoon with the Kids"
Quote from: Dog-One on March 15, 2023, 01:13:18 AM
With three-phase input, you need a number divisible by 3. So yes,
12 would work, so would 15, 18, 21 and so on.
This is all true.
But an even number of windings 2,4,6 is easier to compensate, one in phase in series with the second in antiphase. Like a bifilar. But I don't know what to do with three windings.
I do not know yet. I keep thinking about how to do it.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 17, 2023, 04:15:15 AM
But an even number of windings 2,4,6 is easier to compensate, one in phase in series with the second in antiphase. Like a bifilar. But I don't know what to do with three windings.
I do not know yet. I keep thinking about how to do it.
Use a factor divisible by both 2 and 3, like 12, 18, 24, ...
Also consider what rakarskiy was trying to promote with the slots.
There is something interesting going on there. When we place
a bundle of wire (output coil) in a slot, the magnetic field it
produces when put under load has to go someplace, but if
wherever it goes does not significantly disrupt the magnetic
fields produced by the exciter windings, we have an opportunity
for power gain.
We have to look at this device in terms of magnetic flux paths.
You have paths for the exciter coils and paths for the output
coils. These paths can cross through each other, but should
not collide with each other.
From what I can see with the Holcomb device, the output coils
are positioned identically to how they would be found in a typical
generator stator, but the exciter windings are positioned totally
different, even though the effect they would have on an actual
spinning rotor is nearly the same. Remember, the exciter windings
are there to replace a spinning rotor, to replace the magnetic
fields that would be produced by a spinning rotor under torque.
You are trying to use three phase input to replicate a spinning rotor,
but the output need not be three phase also. It can be two phase,
four phase or whatever. Look at the flux paths and see where the
transitions happen and have your output coils catch the change in
flux across these transitions.
I wish I had a fancy machine shop and plenty of time and material
to crank out one or more of these units to test with. If I had that,
I could show you real hardware and take measurements. I'm
commenting here based on concepts I "think" may have some
importance. What the raw fundamental principal is for the HES,
we may never know and it is still a possibility it cannot physically
be put into hardware without exotic materials. I'd like to think
Holcomb is correct in his claims, but until I do it myself and convince
myself, all I can do is make suggestions based on what I think.
I tried to draw magnetic fluxes and windings in your drawing, but it's too difficult.
Let's simplify the design by reducing everything to one pole per phase.
It seems that my winding in a circle should cancel the EMF induced from the phase spike N, but double the movement of the field in a circle, if any.
I'm cutting 33 laminates out of 1.6 steel by hand. Not as good as silicone steel 0.4mm but better than a lump of iron hopefully.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 18, 2023, 05:11:24 AM
I tried to draw magnetic fluxes and windings in your drawing, but it's too difficult.
Let's simplify the design by reducing everything to one pole per phase.
It seems that my winding in a circle should cancel the EMF induced from the phase spike N, but double the movement of the field in a circle, if any.
Follow the flux, pole to opposite pole, shortest route with fewest
restrictions.
The image below is a concept lamination. Top image is start,
bottom image after one transition of the fields. Rotation is
clockwise. Orange wire bundle for one output coil set in what
is probably too large of slots.
Red - south pole
Blue - north pole
Since you have a printer, walk this through for a complete
four-step cycle and trace around where the flux lines would
likely go. I think what you will discover is any flux generated
by the output coil doesn't directly interfere with the flux paths
produced by the exciter coils, they always have an alternate
path.
Also note, the maximum output voltage will be at the point of
maximum change in flux, which is when we transition.
Once you have good comprehension of how this is supposed
to work, then try scratching something out on paper for three
phase and see what you can come up with. If you need more
poles to make things balance out, add them.
Quote from: Jimboot on March 18, 2023, 06:15:09 AM
I'm cutting 33 laminates out of 1.6 steel by hand. Not as good as silicone steel 0.4mm but better than a lump of iron hopefully.
Chet!
We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.
Be careful partner. Fingers don't grow back all that well.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 18, 2023, 06:48:03 AM
Chet!
We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.
Be careful partner. Fingers don't grow back all that well.
Dog-One
He has a nice layout to follow
However.. I agree that's a bear of a job with hand held grinder !
They can definitely bite ( I have too many wounds from such !;(
I agree we should have a mechanism to help with resources ,tools etc etc
And that's actually on the menu for discussion at this forum ( how to make that happen)
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: Dog-One on March 18, 2023, 06:48:03 AM
Chet!
We need to get Jimboot a plasma cutter or at least a chop saw.
Be careful partner. Fingers don't grow back all that well.
hahaha, thanks mate. That was just for the first couple of cuts so I could fit it on the chop saw.
ALso depending how this goes I will also try using a magnetic compound powder as SL has suggested and rather than sinter it, I think I'll mix with epoxy and pour into a 3d printed mold. This should hopefully reduce a lot of eddy current issues.
Quote from: Dog-One on March 17, 2023, 08:48:37 PM
I wish I had a fancy machine shop and plenty of time and material
to crank out one or more of these units to test with. If I had that,
I could show you real hardware and take measurements.
This is how we live and work.
And we don't get discouraged... :)
Quote from: kolbacict on March 19, 2023, 02:39:47 AM
This is how we live and work.
And we don't get discouraged... :)
Hehe ;D
Looks like my place without the rain gutters. Which by the way
are full of ice and do nothing useful.
Just finished an experiment.
All the same, in the ring surrounding the rotor with a three-phase current, something is spinning.
Unlike the same rotor with single-phase current.
I had two balanced windings that compensated one for the other.
Quote from: kolbacict on March 20, 2023, 03:12:13 PM
Unlike the same rotor with single-phase current.
I had two balanced windings that compensated one for the other.
Exactly correct. With single phase the magnetic field splits evenly
down both legs leaving the output coils to neutralize each other.
With three phase there will always be a phase offset, so one output
coil sees the field before the other one does, giving you some output.
Yes, you are absolutely correct.
But I wanted to believe that something was spinning there ... something free for us.
From what we can get free energy. Well, like Holcomb. :)
Unfortunately, the signal amplitude there is small, about one volt, peak-peak.
While about ten volt is fed to the rotor.
Hubbard's device also has something spinning there. I mean magnetic field.
Why don't same Holcomb's device?
Quote from: kolbacict on March 27, 2023, 03:55:11 AM
Hubbard's device also has something spinning there. I mean magnetic field.
Why don't same Holcomb's device?
What is Hubbard's device?
bi
Hubbard's device
Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator (rexresearch.com) (http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm)
Yes. We saw an analogy with Figuera's device, nonetheless Hubbard also has a rotating magnetic field. Isn't it ? And maybe not only him single have it.
still plugging away with some laminates. Using an angle grinder with a bench grinder post chop saw. Who needs a lathe, fits like a glove. Now I need to drill the holes and cut the slots.
Isn't it simpler just to get a 3 phase slip ring motor?They are typically used in electric lifts.
Lock the stator and feed 3 phase into the slip rings?
I was writing about it long time ago.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on April 23, 2023, 05:48:27 AM
Isn't it simpler just to get a 3 phase slip ring motor?They are typically used in electric lifts.
Lock the stator and feed 3 phase into the slip rings?
I was writing about it long time ago.
Cheers,
Pix
Not where I live.
Slowly getting there. Hope to test this weekend.
Quote from: Jimboot on April 28, 2023, 05:32:25 PM
Slowly getting there. Hope to test this weekend.
Hi Jimboot,
Looks like you put in a few hours on that hunk of steel and copper. Nice work.
Notice, at least from what I can see in photo, you have 12 slots and 8 coils. Are coils concentric or serpentine? The stator appears to be factory wound 2-pole 3-phase, right? What was logic or reason for your rotor coil # and pitch choice?
Also curious as your intent: excite stator and view output from rotor, or vice versa?
Following with interest. Good luck.
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 29, 2023, 02:16:58 PM
Hi Jimboot,
Looks like you put in a few hours on that hunk of steel and copper. Nice work.
Notice, at least from what I can see in photo, you have 12 slots and 8 coils. Are coils concentric or serpentine? The stator appears to be factory wound 2-pole 3-phase, right? What was logic or reason for your rotor coil # and pitch choice?
Also curious as your intent: excite stator and view output from rotor, or vice versa?
Following with interest. Good luck.
bi
I could have got thinner laminates laser cut but not for an experiment at $300. Ended up attaching the individual laminates to an angle grinder and spinning them against the bench grinder. Serpentine initially it will be a 3 phase rotor 4 strands of 0.4mm in each coil 13m in length. The photo is the 1st phase.
Quote from: Jimboot on April 29, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
I could have got thinner laminates laser cut but not for an experiment at $300. Ended up attaching the individual laminates to an angle grinder and spinning them against the bench grinder. Serpentine initially it will be a 3 phase rotor 4 strands of 0.4mm in each coil 13m in length. The photo is the 1st phase.
Thanks for reply.
Doesn't that put a 4-pole rotor in a 2-pole stator, or am I missing something?
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 29, 2023, 06:42:24 PM
Thanks for reply.
Doesn't that put a 4-pole rotor in a 2-pole stator, or am I missing something?
bi
Thinking further, that serpentine wind results in 4 pole pairs, or 8 poles. Be interesting to see how it behaves.
bi
Hello Jimboot,
Any progress? Do any test?
bi
Thanks for asking Bi. At this stage I have a bad transformer. I'm using the Zafer BLDC 3 phase driver as shared in Ciftas thread. My 3 serpentine coils are 25 turns and I do get a sine wave off a stator phase. The rotor coils are just underr 1 ohm and at least one is damaged. I was hoping to just turn them into bifilar serpentines but it looks like I have conductivity between strands. Any way 4.5 v around 1 amp in measures around 20v on the stator but there is barely enough current to dimly light an led. I'd like to try some coils at around 3-5ohms next. I'm time poor but it's interesting to to learn and now I have a "rotor" I can run some tests with.
Thanks for info Jimboot. Is your reason wanting 3-5 ohms on the coils so that you can raise voltage? To get higher coil resistance, can't you simply just use one of the four strands?
As I'm still wondering how the mix of pole count plays, did you record any frequencies, input/output?
Cool work,
bi
Recent post on Holcomb's website:
I'll post a screenshot shot as I am unable to copy text (from here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=###)
They show two bar graphs, with and without HES bypassed. They state averages of 21.7 and 10.7 kW, respectfully. Those stated average numbers would indicate a 50+% saving.
To me it looks like bad math, so I printed the respective charts and drew in their average value as a pencil line. Attached below is photo of my pencil average lines. Maybe Holcomb needs to check facts and figures before publishing.
bi
{edit}
So while reviewing this again, I noticed that the charts are for "Demand Usage". I assumed this was the average power used, but NO. "Demand Usage" means something else in the electric utility industry. See:
https://atrius.com/the-difference-between-electricity-demand-and-electricity-consumption/
So this may not be a case of "bad math" as I originally thought. But how many readers are mislead thinking the 10.7/21.7 ratio was an actual energy savings? Think the same thing applies to the chart which impressed so many people a year or so ago was also demand? I suspect it was.
bistander
QuoteSo this may not be a case of "bad math" as I originally thought. But how many readers are mislead thinking the 10.7/21.7 ratio was an actual energy savings? Think the same thing applies to the chart which impressed so many people a year or so ago was also demand? I suspect it was.
Many people confuse "power" demand in kW and "energy" consumption in kWh.
There are a few things which pop out. The graph is showing the kW demand measured over 24hrs so it's intuitive that each bar is an indication of the power at any given time. A rough guess is 100 power measurements over 24hr or every 15 minutes. Since the power demand is reduced by 50% on average the energy consumption is also reduced by 50%. The energy in kWh is the average power in kW times the hours of operation. So we add up all the 100 measurements in kW, divide by 100 for the average kW's then multiply that number by the hours of operation or 24 to get the energy in kWh.
21.7kW * 24hr = 520.8 kWh before
10.7kW * 24hr = 256.8 kWh after
As well, note how after the device was installed it flat lined the demand peak. Did the load change during the two test days or or is the power gain non-linear?. That is, providing more/less gain above/below a given power threshold.
It's not common knowledge but the kind of process being used generally yields close to a 100% gain per cycle. Which implies this is a one pass device versus a feedback or multi-stage device which can deliver a higher COP. So they could use two devices in series to lower the utility power demand but it's less cost effective. The first device reduces demand by 10kW, the second device by 5kW and a third by 2.5kW and so on.
Limiting the gain to COP=2 implies to me they don't fully understand how this process works or there playing it safe to cause less disruption to the present utility market. I have no idea what there thinking is but if it works it works.
AC
Quote from: onepower on June 03, 2023, 07:01:26 PM
bistander
Many people confuse "power" demand in kW and "energy" consumption in kWh.
There are a few things which pop out. The graph is showing the kW demand measured over 24hrs so it's intuitive that each bar is an indication of the power at any given time. A rough guess is 100 power measurements over 24hr or every 15 minutes. Since the power demand is reduced by 50% on average the energy consumption is also reduced by 50%. The energy in kWh is the average power in kW times the hours of operation. So we add up all the 100 measurements in kW, divide by 100 for the average kW's then multiply that number by the hours of operation or 24 to get the energy in kWh.
21.7kW * 24hr = 520.8 kWh before
10.7kW * 24hr = 256.8 kWh after
As well, note how after the device was installed it flat lined the demand peak. Did the load change during the two test days or or is the power gain non-linear?. That is, providing more/less gain above/below a given power threshold.
It's not common knowledge but the kind of process being used generally yields close to a 100% gain per cycle. Which implies this is a one pass device versus a feedback or multi-stage device which can deliver a higher COP. So they could use two devices in series to lower the utility power demand but it's less cost effective. The first device reduces demand by 10kW, the second device by 5kW and a third by 2.5kW and so on.
Limiting the gain to COP=2 implies to me they don't fully understand how this process works or there playing it safe to cause less disruption to the present utility market. I have no idea what there thinking is but if it works it works.
AC
Hello AC,
You say:
QuoteSo we add up all the 100 measurements in kW, divide by 100 for the average kW's then multiply that number by the hours of operation or 24 to get the energy in kWh.
21.7kW * 24hr = 520.8 kWh before
10.7kW * 24hr = 256.8 kWh after
That is clearly incorrect. You've been fooled, which was my point. I think most everybody is fooled, perhaps even Holcomb. The 10.7 and 21.7 numbers are not the averages of the blue bars. Look at area above my pencil line vs the area between tops of blue bars and pencil line for each chart. If what you say is true, those areas would be equal.
bi
Bistander
QuoteThat is clearly incorrect. You've been fooled, which was my point. I think most everybody is fooled, perhaps even Holcomb. The 10.7 and 21.7 numbers are not the averages of the blue bars. Look at area above my pencil line vs the area between tops of blue bars and pencil line for each chart. If what you say is true, those areas would be equal.
Indeed, the 10.7 graph looks closer to 12.5 on average and the 21.7 graph closer to 17 on average.
AC
This is just "grasping at straws" to prove that Holcomb's Energy System does not work with the OverUnity effect.
Bad analyst who made a post. There, obviously, one graph (upper) would be enough, where the left part is with the Holcomb generator, and the right part is without it. To get a full 50/50, it is necessary that the consumers (air conditioning system) are always turned on at full capacity, which in reality cannot be, the cooling system has a temperature maintenance mode. And the excitation of the generator must always be stable in order to maintain generation, otherwise the generation will fail. This is her speciality.
If you're itching to check it out, visit the facility where Holcomb's generators work. Ask the owner to run a test: one day with Holcomb generators, another day without. The cost of energy is assumed to exceed the work without the Holcomb generator, take this cost on your pocket. Then argue, some Mui Ne, about lies from Holcomb.
The most accurate way to compare is your own wallet: it will show the difference in savings or loss.
The most accurate way to measure "power in" vs "power out".
Is to use resistive heating elements and heat up given amount of water in sealed thermo insulating box at given time.
it is easy, very transparent and I am wondering why such serious looking company can't do it.
On the water side:
Q= Cw x m x (T1-T0) [Joule]
Cw=specific heat of water (constant)
m= mass ( constant in sealed vessel)
T0,T1- temperature difference of heated water.
On the electric supply side:
During test time t measure current I , voltage V frequently and calculate average.
P=U x I x t [kWh]
1kWh=1000 Joule
Compare P and Q, that's it.
I hate to see presentations showing burning incadescent lights, it proves nothing because they can be lit up by high frequency current.
Graphs also are not accurate.
How can you prove that during 24 hrs of HES measurements power consumption wasn't reduced?
Cheers,
Pix
One kilowatt hour = 3,600,000 joules.
Quote from: bistander on June 04, 2023, 06:41:07 AM
One kilowatt hour = 3,600,000 joules.
Yes, my typoo;
1kW=1000J/s
Have people seen the thread in Bob Walker's Linked-In pages in the last 4 day entitled "No longer associated with Holcomb Energy Systems?" https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7070168761009332224/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7070168761009332224%2C7071172912308707328%29
Bob was the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research and an insider at the firm. In his Linked-In posts Bob states he was fooled; that the HES actually consumes more power than it produces.
How could HES's President of Global Development have been fooled? The same way everyone else is: a metering error. I first mentioned this metering error on this forum months ago after reviewing detailed videos of a demonstration taken at HES labs and subsequently replicating the metering error in our own lab. My comments were made in hopes of saving time and money for people attempting replications. That is my hope again in repeating it now.
Careful review of the video demonstration showed that HES wires their 3-phase power meters incorrectly. The voltage and current probes are not attached to corresponding phases. An HES engineer in the video acknowledges this, clearly believing it to be correct, without intention to deceive. But this is a tremendous error in 3-phase metering, which here results in meters reading more power out than in.
Note that all the third party verifications touted by HES have simply verified HES's meter readings. HES's claims of OU have not been publicly verified by third parties using their own 3-phase power meters, properly attached. [A large measured current gain is real but it is measured within an LC circuit and is accompanied by a huge phase shift. It does not correspond to a power gain.]
And see Bob Walker's Linked-In thread for some comments on power bill claims.
Do not fool a sick head. Of course there is no 50/50. But if you look at the diagram from the electricity metering program for payment, you can immediately see for which kW the consumer will not pay.
The left part of the diagram is with the Holcomb generator, the right part is the consumption without the Holcomb generator.
That's the whole analysis. There is no saving of 50%, but it is there and tangible. They have bad analysts and marketers in their company, apparently since they broadcast such blunders, and perhaps they do it on purpose.
I'm doing the analysis too, here's an example:
Quote
I ran the installation again, changed the conditions a little. Analyzed more precisely the reverse impulse. The area (S) was compared with the magnitude of the current and its strength.
Over the entire area of the current value, the excitation and return pulses in one period (T) are equal to each other. And its quality component is very different. Zone "A" - the excitation impulse is equal to the return impulse, they simply superimpose the projections of the current strength on each other. Then the remaining areas were reduced into rectangles, it turned out that the areas "B" and "C" are equal to each other. The average reverse current of the "C" zone is 0.6A, and the excitation zone "B" is 0.21A. Thus: 0.6A - 0.2A = 0.4A - this is the part that we can attribute to the Super Unit. On the whole, the efficiency of this impulse will be low COP-1.08.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 06, 2023, 07:28:51 AM
Have people seen the thread in Bob Walker's Linked-In pages in the last 4 day entitled "No longer associated with Holcomb Energy Systems?" https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7070168761009332224/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7070168761009332224%2C7071172912308707328%29
Bob was the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research and an insider at the firm. In his Linked-In posts Bob states he was fooled; that the HES actually consumes more power than it produces.
How could HES's President of Global Development have been fooled? The same way everyone else is: a metering error. I first mentioned this metering error on this forum months ago after reviewing detailed videos of a demonstration taken at HES labs and subsequently replicating the metering error in our own lab. My comments were made in hopes of saving time and money for people attempting replications. That is my hope again in repeating it now.
Careful review of the video demonstration showed that HES wires their 3-phase power meters incorrectly. The voltage and current probes are not attached to corresponding phases. An HES engineer in the video acknowledges this, clearly believing it to be correct, without intention to deceive. But this is a tremendous error in 3-phase metering, which here results in meters reading more power out than in.
Note that all the third party verifications touted by HES have simply verified HES's meter readings. HES's claims of OU have not been publicly verified by third parties using their own 3-phase power meters, properly attached. [A large measured current gain is real but it is measured within an LC circuit and is accompanied by a huge phase shift. It does not correspond to a power gain.]
And see Bob Walker's Linked-In thread for some comments on power bill claims.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Is there any statement/explanation by Mr. Walker which can be viewed? I'm not a member of LinkedIn.
bi
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 06, 2023, 07:28:51 AM
Have people seen the thread in Bob Walker's Linked-In pages in the last 4 day entitled "No longer associated with Holcomb Energy Systems?" https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7070168761009332224/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7070168761009332224%2C7071172912308707328%29
Bob was the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research and an insider at the firm. In his Linked-In posts Bob states he was fooled; that the HES actually consumes more power than it produces.
How could HES's President of Global Development have been fooled? The same way everyone else is: a metering error. I first mentioned this metering error on this forum months ago after reviewing detailed videos of a demonstration taken at HES labs and subsequently replicating the metering error in our own lab. My comments were made in hopes of saving time and money for people attempting replications. That is my hope again in repeating it now.
Careful review of the video demonstration showed that HES wires their 3-phase power meters incorrectly. The voltage and current probes are not attached to corresponding phases. An HES engineer in the video acknowledges this, clearly believing it to be correct, without intention to deceive. But this is a tremendous error in 3-phase metering, which here results in meters reading more power out than in.
Note that all the third party verifications touted by HES have simply verified HES's meter readings. HES's claims of OU have not been publicly verified by third parties using their own 3-phase power meters, properly attached. [A large measured current gain is real but it is measured within an LC circuit and is accompanied by a huge phase shift. It does not correspond to a power gain.]
And see Bob Walker's Linked-In thread for some comments on power bill claims.
Based on the Accounting Charts, a guaranteed savings of 38%. In principle, I also argue that there is no 50%, based on the diagrams provided. (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578656/#msg578656)
In principle, the former employee himself (to whom you refer) clearly indicates that accounts cannot lie.
Just make a calorimetric test.
As I described earlier.
Customers are getting deliveries
Perhaps they can do simple caloric testing ?
Always the best and simplest test to do ...
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 06, 2023, 07:57:05 AM
... , the right part is the consumption without the Holcomb generator.
...
It is not consumption. It is Demand Usage.
Not the same. See my previous post or look it up.
bi
Ref. https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578594/#msg578594
1: If an inventor has "free energy" he does not need promotional videos.
2: All the inventor needs to do is sell the power he generates. It is easily done.
Thousands of businesses will pay top dollar for a system
that takes them off grid. ie steel furnaces, chocolate factories and a myriad of other power intensive businesses.
3 There is a saying in Silicon Valley: Fake it until you make it.
4 The system works like this: Make some promo vids then get investors sucked in. You can usually get away with this
if your product is a software idea - say a secure payments system or an AI idea.
However a real world idea can be easily tested. As evidenced by Elizabeth Holmes
Elizabeth Holmes, the founder of Silicon Valley medical testing startup Theranos, has been sentenced to more than 11 years in prison for defrauding investors.
https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2816
In order to sell, especially energy, you need to have a permit for this and a share in the quota.
To sell products of the energy level, you need to have the appropriate certifications and, again, quotas and permits.
Obtaining a patent on "enslaved" conditions is the same as burying a project.
Will you buy a 400 kW plant, provided that the load drop for the generator, for example already at 100 kW, is critical?
Take any power plant generator and change the load it feeds 100 kW-400 kW, what will happen to it? The Holcomb Generator has the same mechanism, the generator needs a stable load, it cannot work at the request of the "crazy" hostess.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 06, 2023, 01:03:44 PM
In order to sell, especially energy, you need to have a permit for this and a share in the quota.
To sell products of the energy level, you need to have the appropriate certifications and, again, quotas and permits.
Obtaining a patent on "enslaved" conditions is the same as burying a project.
Will you buy a 400 kW plant, provided that the load drop for the generator, for example already at 100 kW, is critical?
Take any power plant generator and change the load it feeds 100 kW-400 kW, what will happen to it? The Holcomb Generator has the same mechanism, the generator needs a stable load, it cannot work at the request of the "crazy" hostess.
You are misunderstanding my point. If there is a free energy generator you do not need to inform anyone. Just use it.
The US is not the world. There is nothing to stop this generator being used anywhere if it works.
I am not suggesting exporting to the grid.
The Holcomb system is simply a rip off of the Figuera generator patents which no-one has replicated yet.
Quote from: a.king21 on June 06, 2023, 01:39:35 PM
If there is a free energy generator you do not need to inform anyone. Just use it.
What if it's a totalitarian country? You just won't be allowed to do it.
Quote from: kolbacict on June 06, 2023, 03:10:56 PM
What if it's a totalitarian country? You just won't be allowed to do it.
Could you show such country where you would be free to publish an working OU device?
Quote from: pix on June 06, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
Could you show such country where you would be free to publish an working OU device?
I am not writing about publishing anything.
When we wanted to do a deal with Kapanadze we had a system set up where we could
put energy into the grid. No fancy videos or investors needed.
Anyhow I am hghly sceptical of Holcomb and predict that the company will eventually cease trading.
(Just like Magnacoaster, which was outed on this site.)
I also remember a certain Don Smith set up a company called EON, many years ago.
Then his son took over and changed the website to solar panels and wind generators and disappeared out of the public eye.
Which is the fastest rising electricity supply company in the UK? EON. Funny that.
They also claim to be using only free energy. I passed their power station on Sunday. A tiny non-descript place.
I do wonder........
Quote from: a.king21 on June 06, 2023, 01:39:35 PM
You are misunderstanding my point. If there is a free energy generator you do not need to inform anyone. Just use it.
The US is not the world. There is nothing to stop this generator being used anywhere if it works.
I am not suggesting exporting to the grid.
The Holcomb system is simply a rip off of the Figuera generator patents which no-one has replicated yet.
Why did you decide that Holcomb does not use his generators in his company? Have you visited the lucky one who has a Holcomb generator? Or are you in the shameful service of the system?
Second, where did you find Figer's plagiarism? Are you not familiar with my review? (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/1902.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp) Why do you think that Holcomb was the only one who made such a design? So far, he is the only one who has shown everyone this, his working installation with the publication of a patent. The global system missed the mark on technology shutdown, which is a very good thing.
The Holcomb device is very complex in construction, which provides copy protection. The mere movement of the magnetic field and its transfer gives us nothing more, but Holcomb says that the spin of atoms is present in his generator. Of course, it's like saying that I have electricity in the generator.
Working with Pierre DZ1..2..3 we did magnetic field shifting according to Figuer and got nothing. We did many configurations. It is possible that the missing element is some type of material, e.g. soft-iron or something similar but may work differently. It's just an excuse for failure. Are there any materials that have magical properties? I don't know.
Holcomb has ample funding for this. His movies make no sense. They show the device but I think it's just to get investors to come or investors to think that something is going on. Meanwhile, nothing will happen. Holcomb hoped it would work, but it probably didn't. That's my opinion. I know some people don't agree with her but all of us here have been working with FE for a few years or more so they should see a "rabbit under the hat".
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 07, 2023, 02:09:32 AM
Why do you think that Holcomb was the only one who made such a design?
https://www.sinref.ru/000_uchebniki/00850_energetica/008_Spravochnik_po_elektricheskim_mashinam_kopa_1988/083.htm?ysclid=l6elj9d7r5925658721 (https://www.sinref.ru/000_uchebniki/00850_energetica/008_Spravochnik_po_elektricheskim_mashinam_kopa_1988/083.htm?ysclid=l6elj9d7r5925658721)
It's very similar, isn't it ? ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator)
yes, there is an important material, the MU-metal shieldings, did not see any replication with this important point :o
I think this point should be also adressed in the original Figuera device.
I also wonder why noone contacts the engineers who developed the former versions, which where the base for Holcomb engineering.
And how does a synchronous generator work with laying the wire in the stator groove? Why is no one looking there?
The Holcomb generator and even the Figer generator do not differ in topology from a synchronous generator.
What is drawn in the training materials is complete nonsense.
Because:
1) Magnetic lines do not cross the wire in the groove where the EMF is induced!
2) Magnetic lines from the current in the phase wire excite a magnetic field in the generator's magnetic circuit.
I wrote everything in detail in my book, there is not much left - instructions on simple impulse systems and MEG will be available to everyone who is friends with the head. The delay is precisely in the development of two simple systems, I want to do it first.
Quote from: a.king21 on June 06, 2023, 06:00:33 PM
I am not writing about publishing anything.
When we wanted to do a deal with Kapanadze we had a system set up where we could
put energy into the grid. No fancy videos or investors needed.
Anyhow I am hghly sceptical of Holcomb and predict that the company will eventually cease trading.
(Just like Magnacoaster, which was outed on this site.)
I also remember a certain Don Smith set up a company called EON, many years ago.
Then his son took over and changed the website to solar panels and wind generators and disappeared out of the public eye.
Which is the fastest rising electricity supply company in the UK? EON. Funny that.
They also claim to be using only free energy. I passed their power station on Sunday. A tiny non-descript place.
I do wonder........
In UK EON is using two biomass steam power plants.
If your understanding of "EON using free energy" means wind and solar- then yes EON is a free energy company ;D
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Cheers,
Pix
There are many different devices, on third-party "free" forces, on renewable sources (such as biogas).
The main condition is the absence of carbon emissions and no third-party forces.
Personally, I'm interested in electromagnetic closed type. Holcomb and Figuera's system is just one of them.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 07, 2023, 09:18:48 AM
There are many different devices, on third-party "free" forces, on renewable sources (such as biogas).
The main condition is the absence of carbon emissions and no third-party forces.
Personally, I'm interested in electromagnetic closed type. Holcomb and Figuera's system is just one of them.
Biogas is hydrocarbon, the same natural source of energy like carbon and oil.
And burning biogas is no carbon free.
Cotnoir turns out to be how he commuted his windings.
Of course,it was on this forum, and everyone who desire to see it.
But I found it in saved last year's files.
p.s.
Why no one pays attention at similarity of Holkomb's device and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator) ?
Which is used from 1930 years !
Quote from: kolbacict on June 07, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
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p.s.
Why no one pays attention at similarity of Holkomb's device and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator) ?
Which is used from 1930 years !
Or.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser
Or as I've asked numerous times, the 3-phase wound rotor induction motor at stall. That is exactly what Holcomb describes.
bi
Beginners mind
It's hard to say what's going on but I see several red flags...
1)A supposed former possibly disgruntled employee is making the claims.
2)The supposed buyers name, Mark Koch, rings a bell. The Koch family were to oil and gas what the Saklers were to opiates. Ruthless and supposedly as psychotic as it gets.
3)This is in Florida which is like a magnet for crazy people. It's a hot bed for populism, mass shootings, drug addiction, corruption and homelessness.
QuoteCareful review of the video demonstration showed that HES wires their 3-phase power meters incorrectly. The voltage and current probes are not attached to corresponding phases. An HES engineer in the video acknowledges this, clearly believing it to be correct, without intention to deceive. But this is a tremendous error in 3-phase metering, which here results in meters reading more power out than in.
Fair enough, but it assumes that more than a few qualified people missed this through all the testing with countless different devices. 3 phase is easy to understand and it follows the same basic rules as all other electrical power. A real load always produces a voltage drop and a current increase to support said voltage drop. So we pick one loaded phase (1-phase) plus neutral and measure the power before the HES device while it's in operation and not. If the loaded 1-phase power drops while the unit is in operation then we have our answer.
It's problematic because most people don't understand 3-phase power or power/energy in general. If the 3-phase power is supplying a whole building then it's a given that it's using 1, 2 and 3 phase power. Lights, small appliances ie. small loads don't run on 3 phase they run on 1 phase.
AC
Quote from: kolbacict on June 07, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
Cotnoir turns out to be how he commuted his windings.
Of course,it was on this forum, and everyone who desire to see it.
But I found it in saved last year's files.
p.s.
Why no one pays attention at similarity of Holkomb's device and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_regulator) ?
Which is used from 1930 years !
switching is nothing more than an engineering solution, I had the same one!
Quote from: onepower on June 07, 2023, 12:08:51 PM
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It's hard to say what's going on but I see several red flags...
1)A supposed former possibly disgruntled employee is making the claims.
2)The supposed buyers name, Mark Koch, rings a bell. The Koch family were to oil and gas what the Saklers were to opiates. Ruthless and supposedly as psychotic as it gets.
3)This is in Florida which is like a magnet for crazy people. It's a hot bed for populism, mass shootings, drug addiction, corruption and homelessness.
Fair enough ...
AC
Quite unfair, AC. Mark W. Koch appears to be a respectable citizen living near Nashville TN. Mentions "Caney power bill" appearing to refer to Caney Falls electric coop of McMinnville TN.
I see no reason to connect him to the infamous Koch brothers and Salkers. Can you provide reasons you did that?
bi
Regarding the 3 phase generators in general, just to remind ALL coils are wound in same direction (CCW) as clearly seen in first attached image. Notice in this animation connections are wrong, one of the 3 coils of a single phase is flipped which should not be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jaIHJUf110
Also, as diagram below shows, induced voltage is max when flux is 0 cause that is when rate of change is the greatest.
Two last images below show lenz law in action. If north flux passes across the wire as shown electron will be pushed up, no matter which way you close that loop, whether you make the flux enter the loop or exit it, irrelevant, electron will go up, always.
Same thing is visualized in last image, screenshot from great canadian documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bht9AJ1eNYc). Screenshot demonstrates the motor effect aka laplace's force, but it is just an inverse of lenz law, in fact it is one and the same.
In the screenshot electron is going to the right, toward the screen and wire is immersed in flux as shown. Left hand rule shows that wire is pushed downward and it is pushed downward cause flux of the wire and flux of the magnets are in same direction above the wire, thus repelling.
Exactly the same stands for the reverse, no current in the wire, wire is going up into the flux, electron will go to the right and magnetic field will be generated as shown, repelling above, pushing the wire down (lenz).
Again, no matter how you close the loop matters not.
Left hand rule also has 2 more applications, as shown in the documentary. If you curl your left hand fingers with the solenoid turns, your thumb is pointing toward the north pole. If you point your finger in direction of an electron going through a wire curved fingers show the direction of the flux around the wire. There is also a 3rd application of left hand rule shown in the documentary, not really important on macroscopic level for it is for a single electron, similar to the noted method of finding a north pole of a solenoid, curving fingers in direction of electron's spin around its own axis thumb points toward the north pole of the magnetic field it generates.
These are some fundamental principles that often get forgotten or are not understood well in the first place. All this must be absolutely clear if one wants to find a way-around lenz.
Regarding DZ gen, the pdf recently posted states:
it only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage with it as there's something else I kept secret. It's like an engine with no pistons, it won't start.
For who has the hardware: take an AC motor that uses a rotating field, replace rotor with a fixed 'partnered output coils' setup (pistons using magnetic force) on an iron core, load coils, power stator with AC, profit...? Lenz provides piston power.
nix85, I will note only the features:
All this can only be attached to generators where the magnetic flux from the field source crosses the conductor (conditionally, I say conditionally unipolar electromagnetic induction)
Its formula is: E = Bmlv
In the stator slot and in the window of the transformer there is no relocation of the conductor by the magnetic lines, therefore a different form of electromagnetic induction operates there, which is calculated by the transformer formula: E = 4.44Фf
the formula is transformer, but the principle of operation of a transformer and a generator is exactly the opposite. I have already installed this exactly.
In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EuPGl8JjE&t=3s), the generator mode is just shown, although obviously the author himself does not suspect this.
The secret is very simple, you need a full and constant load.
;) все
One whole lamel divided in two ?
прикольно. I had not seen that yet.
And it becomes whole only when covered brush.
@rakarskiy And what kind of spinning generator did you see where wire does not cut the flux, it always does, iron core or not.
In all kinds of spinning generators, no matter which kind of winding is used, axial or radial, salient or non-salient, distributed or concentrated, flux sweeps across the wire cuts the flux. So you are wrong there.
What you wrote about two kinds of induction i have written many times already and to a far greater depth. First the distinction between flux cutting law
E=Bvl and flux linking law
E=NdΦ/dt (of which
E = 4.44Фf is a derivation) i shared 3 years ago in thread linked below, and further division of induction into two distinct kinds Henry observed and PROVED, one weaker which cannot be screened except with iron and another that can be screened by any metal.
https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry
This flux cutting formula is basically a variation of
F = ILxB aka laplace's force i mentioned in last post aka the motor effect. As i have written in this thread of mine (https://overunity.com/18592/few-general-formulas/)
QuoteF = ILxB force on a conductor in a magnetic field - laplace
as load increases, current in the conductor must increase to balance the forces: I = F/BL
And E = 4.44Фf formula for a transformer is as i said variation of Faraday's law of induction, and i shared it already multiple times
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg567952/#msg567952
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg577902/#msg577902
QuoteIt is a well known fact that power in a transformer is proportional to flux time frequency according to a known formula for voltage across transformer primary or secondary is
E = 4.44 * number of turns * frequency * flux in the core
But for flux in the core to appear there first has to be current through the coil
This flux is proportional to input voltage and inversely proportional to frequency
E/f
Also what is shown in that video you shared where width of the secondary did not affect induction was known to me for years. Nothing strange about that.
Like i wrote in the linked Henry thread
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prXkW9l3MzM
We can see in the last video about leakage how guy explains flux prefers to loop on itself through the air, rather than go through the core surrounded by aluminum ring.
He clearly understands NOT, that this is very peculiar thing. Why would flux in the core care about a ring that is OUTSIDE of a core. This is the whole point.
Magnetic field is just an effect, ether is the true medium of transmission.
https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry/msg541766/#msg541766
So i already shared all that and elaborated on all this in greater depth. I made it clear that the fact loop "knows" or "feels" the change of flux through it without a single line of flux cutting the wire PROVES induction is mediated through a higher order field, i suggest the A aka Vector field aka Aharonov–Bohm effect i spoke about countless times around here.
Now, as i have just proven, i have written here 3 years ago that flux cutting and flux linking are different phenomena and have further shared Henry's great work about even subtler division of induction into two different phenomena.
I have also shared Floyd Sweet's and Hooper's and others' work claiming the exactly same thing about MOTIONAL ELECTRIC FIELD etc.
They are all aspects of a single underlying phenomena, ALL is.
And it is very very important to seriously study Henry's two kinds of induction to get better understanding.
As for your claim "principle of operation of a transformer and a generator is exactly the opposite" that is simply wrong. And no, just having a wide secondary and full load is not the "secret".
The secret is to work around lenz, whichever kind of induction is at play.;) Nix
Quote from: kolbacict on June 08, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
One whole lamel divided in two ?
прикольно. I had not seen that yet.
And it becomes whole only when covered brush.
WTH?
(What is that?)
Source please. In English please? Perhaps explain relevance to topic.
Thanks.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 08, 2023, 11:31:37 AM
WTH?
(What is that?)
Source please. In English please? Perhaps explain relevance to topic.
Thanks.
bi
so it isn't to me,it to rakarsky. I've only citate him.
Nix85, do you have the pdf of this? This one is unedited, the ocr'd version contains errors. Thanks (in advance)
You're welcome.
I attach Henry's last experiment where he employed 1 primary and 2 secondaries, one on each side at same distance, connected in reverse so that induced voltages perfectly neutralized in the galvanometer. Read what he observed when he placed various metals between the primary and one of the secondaries. To me this proves clearly ordinary induction contains at least two distinct types of energy, one stronger that can be screened by any metal and one weaker which cannot be screened except with iron. He concludes sudden breaking of contact produces both kinds of induction and that this subtler latter type is akin to induction produced by motion.
https://i.imgur.com/exKSHHB.jpg
Quote from: kolbacict on June 08, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
so it isn't to me,it to rakarsky. I've only citate him.
It is to anyone, everybody.
bi
nix85
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578723/#msg578723
You did not convince me, since I was previously an adherent of this particular theory, I even developed a system of calculations for verification. But it turned out to be nothing more than mathematics. For that I got a very good practice, "what's wrong here." I struggled with this for a long time, when I myself came up with how it works, I found others who went in this direction.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mHOgWWpmCxG8JMIktZYakVRy_Z6YkCh-/view
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331628227_An_Alternative_to_Classical_Electromagnetic_Theory
You can believe in anything, I do not forbid you. But you don't know how a traditional synchronous generator works.
Good luck!
Quote from: kolbacict on June 08, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
One whole lamel divided in two ?
прикольно. I had not seen that yet.
And it becomes whole only when covered brush.
It may be a hint how to organize the switching of a solid state static electromagnetic rotor for a generator, in a series connection of a group of electromagnets.
But this is just an engineering decision of switching
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
https://patents.google.com/patent/JP2004140991A/ja
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9vShtCx3yvQnWPU5EIgrErf55foKvTKNnS_QqA7Al2keCNqcgS9jcdQy9PErx0NEYYnc1DrYqaveimEgEs6tPRCAYR3fdTcj4pO7xEWZAxiPEmpy7gjfgwDV_1l3juxXGYZGEo8goa_ah3Fn-weLOjLAmnBoFjtmS81FOvCjOTpI8dRDfZ-cpvJtU/w595-h357/2022-10-22_121342.jpg
Last post removed for name calling and insults
Bad moderation has been reported to Stefan. And this is not the first time he does it.
Everyone could see there was no "name calling and insults" in my reply to rakarskiy.
There are gatekeepers on this forum but that is nothing new. And since i did not back
up that reply now i have to type it again. To recap.
Point is not to convince you but for you to realize you are wrong and learn. You say you
were "previously an adherent of this particular theory". What "theory". Most of what i
shared are concrete facts including Aharonov–Bohm effect which was proved in 1960.
and everything else, not "nothing more than mathematics" but well established principles,
and as for flux cutting vs flux linking you said yourself they are different phenomena, and
now you disagree with the "theory". Make up your mind. And if you want to dismiss
something be concrete.
You did not come up with how it works. You don't even understand induction properly which is shown
in your linking of HOOPER-MONSTEIN Experiment. Like i wrote before, i was considering writing
about it the other day to show how not understanding induction leads to flawed conclusions.
In short, when two opposite fluxes approach the wire from the opposite sides as in HOOPER-MONSTEIN
Experiment they are aiding not canceling out as claimed. By lenz law wire generates
a field which spins in same direction as the approaching flux, as shown in diagram below,
it repels the incoming fields on both sides.
YOU can believe in anything, I do not forbid you. But YOU don't know how a traditional synchronous
generator works. I know how a traditional synchronous generator works far better than you.
Good luck!
Discussion Holcomb's device going to cul-de- sac ?
There are still my two untested ideas, to speed up the rotation of a pseudo-rotating magnetic field by magnetic transmission. And rotate this field faster than the speed of light.
I have not been able to confirm the first. And to check the second is not real to me at all.
It should be clear to anyone intelligent that to achieve overunity best possible understanding of induction and all related phenomena is essential.
If that is missing one just goes down the blind alleys of wild ideas that lead nowhere, you can't build a skyscraper on foul ground.
I would suggest everyone, meditate on induction itself, understand it from all angles, as deep as you can. Then, you might start to see solutions.
nix85,I didn't have time to read your "works".
According to the latter figure (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/191603/image//), the experiment that Christian MONSSHTEIN (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mHOgWWpmCxG8JMIktZYakVRy_Z6YkCh-/view) and Jean-Louis Naudin (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm) did, a conductor with the appearance of EMF, placed in the Bloch Zone, two converging oppositely directed magnets, CANNOT be explained by the intersection of the magnetic lines of the conductor. This can be vtyuhat, only a completely illiterate passer-by in this matter, he believes in it.
The conditions of the formula (E=Bmlv) with the intersection of magnetic lines cannot be fulfilled there.
Only when one magnet approaches, some part will intersect, but the dimension will be such that it will actually be impossible to induce an EMF.
In fact, the EMF is induced and the closer the magnet is to the conductor, the stronger the EMF. Here is a paradox that is very simply explained.
So we look in the book, we see a hole in it.
@rakarskiy I didn't have time to read your "works" either. Firstly don't misuse the term "bloch wall". The area between two
magnets is not a bloch wall, bloch wall refers to microscopic transitional zone where flux gradually changes from one polarity
to another between magnetic domains inside a magnet. I already shared this video here.
On the Bloch Wall and the Misconceptions Surrounding Peer Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTV1EVb-V2c)
Two converging oppositely directed magnets/fluxes, CAN be explained by the intersection of the magnetic lines of the conductor.
This can be vtyuhat, only a completely illiterate passer-by in this matter, he claims otherwise. Look at the field lines at each
point in time, from the moment magnets are far away until they are at closest. Altho you did not explain it clearly, what you
are trying to say is that fluxes will merge above and under the wire, so supposedly wire will cut no flux, but you forget since
they are at equal distance from the wire, wire is always their point of intersection, in other words, before they merge wire cuts the fluxes.
And another thing, look how loop is closed and where exactly the magnets approach, at the corner of the loop. From this too it
is clear loop will see increase of flux in one direction, even if there was no flux cutting, which there is.
:D ;D ;) :)
nix85 made me laugh, I think - there is no point in listening to your fabrications further. Take your own calculations by first measuring the level of magnetic induction in the flea zone of the magnet.
The question arises, are you mistaken yourself or do you want to mislead?
PS
I give you a hint, this experience (https://phaseback.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Faradays-Law-of-Electromagnetic-Induction.pdf) is directly related to understanding the operation of the synchronous generator and the Holcomb system itself. Raselli1's experience is the same (video link in posts above)
:D ;D ;D ;) :)
rakarskiy made me laugh even more. If you did "think" you would not post your flawed fabrications. First learn what bloch wall is,
also learn how induction works, and how is voltage induced. YOU take your own measurement of flux in the "flea zone" and calculations of induced voltage.
You never even clearly explained why you think there should be no induction in the 'experiment', i had to do it for you...
"Altho you did not explain it clearly, supposedly what you are trying to say is that fluxes will merge above and under the wire, so supposedly wire
will cut no flux, but you forget since they are at equal distance from the wire, wire is always their point of intersection, in other words,
before they merge wire cuts the fluxes."
And, like i also wrote, in addition to this, once the fluxes merge, loop sees increase of flux in one direction, also causing induction.
Instead od funny ahominems, try to stick to scientific arguments.
There is no question if you are mistaken, cause you are 100%, but question arises, why you want to mislead rather than admit your mistake and learn?
Being a moderator is a difficult job
Here only builder's can be moderators ( those who share their work open source for scrutiny)
Jim is such a person ,
His decades long example of investing his time and resources ..and sharing his efforts open source (in this and many other projects) make him an exceptional example to the FE open source building community!
And Jim has also given his time here to help sort forum issues,
The personal investment ( by Jim and other replicators here) mandates a certain level of respect to the moderator and his standards for the topic .
Flamewars all too often derail topics!
As a matter of fact entire topics have been removed by Stefan do to this tendency ( in unmoderated sections of forum)
Tremendous gratitude to Jim and others who build and share !
As of this moment there is no one posting in this topic who can contribute a self running device
That runs with gain For scrutiny!
( if there is please correct me and share )
Perhaps Jim ( or other open source builders) will be the inspiration for the first open source self running device,( batteries or wall outlets not included) for replication !
I know he inspires many other builders!
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 09, 2023, 07:47:48 AM
I give you a hint, this experience (https://phaseback.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Faradays-Law-of-Electromagnetic-Induction.pdf) is directly related to understanding the operation of the synchronous generator and the Holcomb system itself. Raselli1's experience is the same (video link in posts above)
I'll give yourself a hint. Linking the pdf with basics which you don't understand, and referring to synchronous generator and Holcomb which you as well don't understand, to cover up your ignorance is epitome of irony.
Understand how induction works. I explained it already but you are stubborn. Your ego refuses to be corrected. Like that you will never learn. In HOOPER-MONSTEIN Experiment induction happens in normal manner, not only in 1 but 2 ways (both wire cutting flux and flux changing through a loop).
Read again
"Altho you did not explain it clearly, supposedly what you are trying to say is that fluxes will merge above and under the wire, so supposedly wire will cut no flux, but you forget
since they are at equal distance from the wire, wire is always their point of intersection, in other words, before they merge wire cuts the fluxes."
And, like i also wrote,
in addition to this, once the fluxes merge, loop sees increase of flux in one direction, also causing induction."
.....
There, snake tongue cames out, as usual, sleazy sleazly act, fake tears, fake words of support to hide badly covered dark agenda, poison carefully packed as cure. Nothing new. Good moderator is one who does not have double standards. Jimboot has double standards and as such deserves no respect altho i did not disrespect him, i only reported him to Stefan for bad moderation. Nowhere did i one bit name call or insult rakarsky as he claimed when he deleted my post for no reason, everyone saw my post which i repeated today, i only wrote that rakarsky is wrong and does not understand induction which is true. In fact it is exactly rakarsky who DID namecall and insult.
Everyone can look back exactly what, rakarsky first claimed there is a generator where wire does not cut flux. When i asked him to name such generator, no answer. Instead he started to play some sleazy games, to accuse me that my theory is obsolete, that i don't understand synchronous generators, of course he was talking about himself. Then he brought up the HOOPER-MONSTEIN Experiment which only proved he does not understand induction. Again he refused to be corrected but continued to play sleazy games, adhominems. And he continued to insult "This can be vtyuhat, only a completely illiterate passer-by in this matter.", again talking about himself....but that is all "fine". Like i said, double standards. The MOMENT he refused to answer the question, to name the generator where wire does not cut flux, if JB was a good moderator he would've said, "wait, you made a claim, answer that clearly, don't play dirty games". But no. WTF is that. Not to mention later when he refused to admit HOOPER-MONSTEIN Experiment is flawed altho i clearly explained to him and proved induction is happening normally in that experiment and not only in 1 but 2 ways (both wire cutting flux and flux changing through a loop). The other day pix corrected me about high permeability flyback transformer, everybody saw i immediately admitted my mistake. WHY some cannot admit their mistakes here, and WHY is so called "mod" not doing anything about it.
And now this professional actor and possibly a payed shill again implies i started a flamewar, altho it was rakarsky who started it. Now i know perfectly well and have known for quite some time NdaClouDzzz was right (https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg556322/#msg556322). I could not agree more. There are indeed gatekeepers here, they are EXTREMELY sleazy and organized. But Stefan is not as blind to inflitration of his forum as he used to be. We are entering higher octaves of 4D, all who are of the dark agenda will be revealed for what they are.
Also nothing more ironic than non-builder talking about building. And one who contributed the most is one who illuminated people the most, gave actual KNOWLEDGE in all areas, conventional and overunity, and God knows i always worked to uplift everyone's knowledge and understanding, unlike some.
I also state that in the groove of the generator, the magnetic lines do not cross the wire to induce the EMF.
I still argue that the two emfs are fatally different from each other.
As an example, he cited a simple experiment rejected by orthodox physics.
And this experience is directly related to the principle of operation of the synchronous generator and the Holcomb generator.
You cannot convince me, these are the results of searches, research, experiments.
As they say, if you want to hide, put it in a prominent place.
That flux cutting and flux linking are two different phenomena is something i have been saying for at least 3 years.
But there is no configuration of spinning generator in which wire does not cut magnetic lines, no matter which configuration is used, in spinning generator wire ALWAYS cuts flux. Only exception is Homopolar generator but it does not even have wire, and that is not what you are referring to. Understanding electric motor Windings! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQayMrK4Fo)
As for HOOPER-MONSTEIN, i explained and PROVED clearly experiment is flawed, in it induction happens normally in two different ways. To illustrate the point, i drew two lines of flux (yellow) one from each magnet meeting in the wire before they merge. And when they merge they leave the wire but now there is flux passing through the loop which also causes induction, as i explained before. Second one should be when they are bit closer but only one photo is available and it's clear what is conveyed.
When you act like a religious fanatic then facts cannot convince you. Your opinion is result of not understanding law of induction. Science is about being objective and correct. And you are going against clearly proven, undeniable facts.
My view is that I think it's alright for people to have differing opinions, so why bother spending the time and effort trying to convince each other that the other party is wrong? Arguing the toss (British term) isn't really helping us here, and differences of opinion such as this are regularly distracting from the topic of conversation.
Ultimately it is the Universe that will determine the right path, for reality cannot be fooled.
Can't we all just accept everyone is unique and entitled to their own opinions, and work together towards a common goal?
We are talking science, not opinions. When something is clearly and definitely proven as fact,
then holding to an opinion against is denial of facts.
I will add this whole 'reality' is as i said many times before fundamentally based on belief and all is really subjective and there is really no such thing as objective reality, in let's call them agreed upon boundaries we can talk about objective reality and facts and that is what we talk about.
It would be interesting if you were able to visit the Holcomb facility and to witness and test the performance of the technology. I doubt that that would be granted, but it is what it is. It's interesting to note that Holcomb has entered into a joint venture to introduce the technology with Astra Energy. Stock symbol ASRE. Have you reviewed the biographies of the men and woman participating? A team developing projects throughout Africa, endorsed by the US Government, USAID, on the delegation sent to Africa to expand Green Energy on the continent. The Astra team signed with Holcomb to create A-HES Energy. They fully vetted the the technology, invested in feasibility studies, engaged manufacturers in NDA's, and are about to announce the manufacture and sale of the ILPG..
You guys can debate about what and how you think it works but in the end, who cares? It will soon be introduced to the World and you will be left to fade away... IMO
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 09, 2023, 06:21:16 PM
It would be interesting if you were able to visit the Holcomb facility and to witness and test the performance of the technology. I doubt that that would be granted, but it is what it is. It's interesting to note that Holcomb has entered into a joint venture to introduce the technology with Astra Energy. Stock symbol ASRE. Have you reviewed the biographies of the men and woman participating? A team developing projects throughout Africa, endorsed by the US Government, USAID, on the delegation sent to Africa to expand Green Energy on the continent. The Astra team signed with Holcomb to create A-HES Energy. They fully vetted the the technology, invested in feasibility studies, engaged manufacturers in NDA's, and are about to announce the manufacture and sale of the ILPG..
You guys can debate about what and how you think it works but in the end, who cares? It will soon be introduced to the World and you will be left to fade away... IMO
LL
Hi LL,
Can you shed some light on Bob Walker's departure?
Ref.
Quote from: Lottalead on December 10, 2022, 04:34:52 PM
Here is another report of "power factor correction" ;D
See profile for Bob Walker
Bob Walker
out of network 3rd+
CEO at Kel Mar Development / President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research
5mo
Dr. Robert Holcomb's devices are more than doubling imputed power by more than 2 times.
I have 2 In Line Generators in 2 of my buildings and my power bills are cut by more than half. More importantly, our carbon footprint is cut in half as well. They have been working since last November absolutely perfectly. Holcomb Energy is going to install more units in Tennessee at another commercial building this week. Dr. Robert Holcomb has created the devices the world has been searching for and desperately needs.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-walker-593b83b3/recent-activity/
And:
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 06, 2023, 07:28:51 AM
Have people seen the thread in Bob Walker's Linked-In pages in the last 4 day entitled "No longer associated with Holcomb Energy Systems?" https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7070168761009332224/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7070168761009332224%2C7071172912308707328%29
Bob was the President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research and an insider at the firm. In his Linked-In posts Bob states he was fooled; that the HES actually consumes more power than it produces.
How could HES's President of Global Development have been fooled? The same way everyone else is: a metering error. I first mentioned this metering error on this forum months ago after reviewing detailed videos of a demonstration taken at HES labs and subsequently replicating the metering error in our own lab. My comments were made in hopes of saving time and money for people attempting replications. That is my hope again in repeating it now.
Careful review of the video demonstration showed that HES wires their 3-phase power meters incorrectly. The voltage and current probes are not attached to corresponding phases. An HES engineer in the video acknowledges this, clearly believing it to be correct, without intention to deceive. But this is a tremendous error in 3-phase metering, which here results in meters reading more power out than in.
Note that all the third party verifications touted by HES have simply verified HES's meter readings. HES's claims of OU have not been publicly verified by third parties using their own 3-phase power meters, properly attached. [A large measured current gain is real but it is measured within an LC circuit and is accompanied by a huge phase shift. It does not correspond to a power gain.]
And see Bob Walker's Linked-In thread for some comments on power bill claims.
And:
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 06, 2023, 10:10:31 AM
Based on the Accounting Charts, a guaranteed savings of 38%. In principle, I also argue that there is no 50%, based on the diagrams provided. (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578656/#msg578656)
In principle, the former employee himself (to whom you refer) clearly indicates that accounts cannot lie.
(attachment)
And perhaps clear up issue about "Demand Usage". Refer to my post pasted here for your convenience. Click on quote link to view original including attachments.
Quote from: bistander on June 03, 2023, 04:48:25 PM
Recent post on Holcomb's website:
I'll post a screenshot shot as I am unable to copy text (from here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=###)
They show two bar graphs, with and without HES bypassed. They state averages of 21.7 and 10.7 kW, respectfully. Those stated average numbers would indicate a 50+% saving.
To me it looks like bad math, so I printed the respective charts and drew in their average value as a pencil line. Attached below is photo of my pencil average lines. Maybe Holcomb needs to check facts and figures before publishing.
bi
{edit}
So while reviewing this again, I noticed that the charts are for "Demand Usage". I assumed this was the average power used, but NO. "Demand Usage" means something else in the electric utility industry. See:
https://atrius.com/the-difference-between-electricity-demand-and-electricity-consumption/
So this may not be a case of "bad math" as I originally thought. But how many readers are mislead thinking the 10.7/21.7 ratio was an actual energy savings? Think the same thing applies to the chart which impressed so many people a year or so ago was also demand? I suspect it was.
I assume Mark Koch is the customer in TN for an installation which you mentioned in your earlier post. Care to address his displeasure?
Regards.
bi
I can't.. I wish I could.. I accept it for what it is... Human nature.. In the 11th hour someone is butt hurt and lashes out. Give it a week or 3 or 4 and revisit. It's Friday! Enjoy the weekend..spend time with with family... thats what really matters isn't it? This forum will have its answer very soon. The tech will be advanced /manufactured and distributed throughout the world or proven ineffective... I don't see the Astra or Holcomb team backing away just yet.. do you?
Quote from: Lottalead on June 09, 2023, 10:23:19 PM
I can't.. I wish I could.. I accept it for what it is... Human nature.. In the 11th hour someone is butt hurt and lashes out. Give it a week or 3 or 4 and revisit. It's Friday! Enjoy the weekend..spend time with with family... thats what really matters isn't it? This forum will have its answer very soon. The tech will be advanced /manufactured and distributed throughout the world or proven ineffective... I don't see the Astra or Holcomb team backing away just yet.. do you?
Yes, I do. I see Bob Walker, President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research, a big player on the team who you promoted 6 months ago, backing away. His profile didn't read like a wimp who'd step away from a top position in a company launching an exclusive world changing trillion $ technology due to hurt feelings.
So you say this forum will know for sure in 1, or 3 or 4 weeks. See you then.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 09, 2023, 11:10:57 PM
Yes, I do. I see Bob Walker, President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research, a big player on the team who you promoted 6 months ago, backing away. His profile didn't read like a wimp who'd step away from a top position in a company launching an exclusive world changing trillion $ technology due to hurt feelings.
So you say this forum will know for sure in 1, or 3 or 4 weeks. See you then.
bi
The problem is that the Holcomb generator is good up to 30-50 kW. This is exactly what works at a commercial facility and at their research center. Already 200 kW and more problematic to keep the generation, you need a constantly loaded network. If you know how traditional power plants work, this will not be a discovery for you. I watch how this technology is closed. Play by the rules of the system, what to write against the wind. Why is the director of development leaving? my opinion is that he knows exactly the situation with the issue (permissions to exit the market). When they contacted the company to promote the product, my impression was that it was a trap. We'll just see how it ends.
nix85 ;)
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578754/#msg578754
I look at you bursting, well we will count.
Let us measure the magnetic induction in the flea zone of a bar magnet with a diameter of 10 mm and a thickness (length) of 50 mm. Let the speed of approach be 1 m/s.
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/fieldcalculator.asp
Chart data.
Conclusion, the calculation shows the minimum values at the fourth position after the decimal point, there cannot be an EMF from the intersection of magnetic lines a priori. If two magnets approach from both sides, then this value of magnetic induction in the conductor zone will not be.
I have no beliefs that are not tested.
Quote from: nix85 on June 08, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
You're welcome.
Hi Nix85,
Thanks for providing the "Sparkey" PDF "
Nothing-is-Something-original."
IMHO, up to Page 11 of 14 it provides some good insight relating to the Holcomb magnetics
device operation.
HOWEVER from page 11 onward (Example #1) the paper slips into what I've
coined the "OU Twilight Zone" which attempts to present "Negative Energy, Spacetime,
virtual vacuum, and so forth." They were, however, common "themes" in the past.
Some of these postulations may have merrit but no one, to date, seems to have provided
any real engineering or physics data that can be leveraged into a usable
form for further development.
Maybe some day a closer look into some of this; but, for now, more conventional schemes
are surfacing that appear to work - so I'll leave the "tree hugging" ;) for others to
research and work with.
Again, thanks for the information!
Regards,
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 10, 2023, 12:42:04 AM
The problem is that the Holcomb generator is good up to 30-50 kW. This is exactly what works at a commercial facility and at their research center. Already 200 kW and more problematic to keep the generation, you need a constantly loaded network. If you know how traditional power plants work, this will not be a discovery for you. I watch how this technology is closed. Play by the rules of the system, what to write against the wind. Why is the director of development leaving? my opinion is that he knows exactly the situation with the issue (permissions to exit the market). When they contacted the company to promote the product, my impression was that it was a trap. We'll just see how it ends.
Hi Rakarskiy,
IMHO, it really doesn't matter how it ends for the HES group - why?
Well, the "cats already out of the bag" so to speak (we know how it works and it's reproduceable, at least on a small scale for now)!
Regards,
SL
My previous post: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578688/#msg578688
The Holcomb generator works according to the algorithm of a mechanical synchronous generator.
The strength of the current in the phase conductor and its retention are no different from a traditional synchronous machine. The current strength of the phase conductor forms the main magnetic field in the stator and rotor cores.
The Holcomb system is a solid-state rotor system that completely repeats the operation of the mechanical rotor of a synchronous generator.
For small systems, you need to focus on repeating the rotor with permanent magnets, not doing garbage with maintaining the industrial frequency and mains voltage in the generator phase under load.
It is most efficient to model a system of at least four poles. The area of one magnetic pole of a mechanical rotor must be covered by at least three active electromagnets.
Between the poles, there must be a zone of one switched off electromagnet.
The laying of phase wires should occupy such a number of grooves that is placed on the area of the turned off electromagnet.
The algorithm for the movement of the magnetic pole should allow one disabled electromagnet.
It is more efficient to make three phases of the generator, it is easier to keep the magnetic field from the phases of the generator.
The output voltage control circuit is in the appendix. Determine the number of phase laying wires by winding 10 control turns. The EMF of the idle phase must be at least 2U of the operating voltage of the battery.
This is what can be done, as you can see, it is no different from synchronous generators of mini hydroelectric power stations or wind turbines.
These are some of my tips for organizing the output phase of the oscillator. Good luck to all.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 10, 2023, 02:53:47 AM
For small systems, you need to focus on the repetition of the rotor with permanent magnets,
Like this ?
@rakarskiy ;)
I look at YOU bursting, you just don't get it.
You are making number of mistakes. To first make it absolutely clear, contrary to what you suggest
flux density at point near the side of a magnet is larger than flux density at distance from the side,
these are basic undeniable facts, even in diagram you posted, altho field lines are barely visible,
it is very obvious flux density is larger near the magnet (lines of flux are more closely packed).
Flux density is close to zero very very close to the side of the magnet but as clearly seen
in second to last attached photo magnets never approach very close. At closest point they are about two
magnet diameters away.
Now, as i have made clear already and you never admitted it is so altho it is undeniably so, when
two opposite fluxes approach the wire from opposite sides and they meet in the wire, wire is cutting
the flux and they both induce the same voltage direction, they are aiding.
So by these two facts alone 'experiment' is already dismissed. Fact that flux is larger near the magnet
and fact that two opposite fluxes approaching the wire from opposite sides are aiding, that is,
generating voltage of same polarity.
As i also wrote multiple times already, in addition to this induction by wire cutting fluxes,
every time two field lines from two magnets meet in the wire they merge and form one big loop
that passes through the loop of wire and loop of wire sees increase of flux.
So two types of induction are happening here, by wire cutting and by increase of flux through
the loop of wire.
And contrary to your claim that there should be no induction when magnets are closest, since flux
is densest near the magnet that is when rate of change is greatest and obviously most voltage is
induced at that moment, by both methods.
It is not matter of beliefs but of understanding induction and seeing the obvious.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 10, 2023, 12:57:05 AM
however
Hi SLMy pleasure to share.
You are assuming page 11 provides some good insight relating to the Holcomb magnetics device operation. We don't even know if Holocomb device really has an operation. Besides, Sweet did not really know what he was saying. In addition to recently surfaced leaks of the insider, i already addressed their 'demonstration' of supposed 2.5kw in 20kw out, not very convincing at all.
"We got some load on right now" he says and points to the bulbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w
Test load we see are 12 incandescent bulbs. 20kw load? And when asked about this discrepancy they reply in the comments
"The 12-incandescent light bank is only a part of the load. There are also motors, transformers, capacitors, etc.in that load bank calculation.".
Well, capacitors are not a load, transformers neither except for the losses unless they are loaded with actual load, neither are motors unless they do work, free running also only consumes for losses.
This is not how you do a proper OU demonstration. It should be done in clear space without cables all around, device should not be plugged into the wall at all, load should be clearly shown, not just few bulbs in the background that don't amount to 1kW and claim 20kw.
As for your "however"..... firstly, i don't promote Sweet's 'theory' as something to go by, he is only shared for the motional electric field, nothing more nothing less. As for the 3 terms you mention "Negative Energy, Spacetime, virtual vacuum" are not exactly common "themes" of the past, but they are not understood by the mainstream. And these are not "OU Twilight Zone" but mechanics of time-space and etheric universal currents that need to be properly understood to understand OU.
I have elaborated in great depth on Kapandaze thread recently and on others before on all this. In short....
Negative energy is absolutely real, it is the antigravity current, it would be very foolish of you to dismiss this so better study it. As Phylos wrote in A Dweller it was the greatest discovery of Atlantis to find that law of gravitation has superimposed over it law of antigravitation and as the first belongs to what he called day side of nature - for same energy coming as etheric invisible non-herzian 'light' from the Sun CREATES light and heat in the upper atmosphere, and that the negative, reflected energy returning from Earth to the Sun is what Atlantis called Navaz or night-side forces, namely antigravity (at double frequency of gravity which is itself far above ultraviolete (non-herzian)), darkness and cold. Always when levitation is reported is also reported steep drop in temperature, the very Sweet we are discussing who reported to Bearden that his device lost all weight when fully loaded (1kW) and wires froze....this is literally the negative energy, this is the Maxin Light, this is the cold breeze on top of the head when kundalini is activated, this is the cold felt in room when 'ghosts' and any astral phenomena is present.
So as Phylos wrote and as Keely, Hollingshead and others experimentally proved and also clearly said in their papers, there are two vertical streams, positive inward one is what you call gravity (associated with heat death) and outward one associated with levitation (associated with cold and vitality, life). This is also exactly what Schauberger wrote and proved.
It is an etheric stream coming from the Sun in one form, dropping down into our dimension and back out of it in changed form.
So in short, negative energy is very very real, as i said Sweet reported it and countless others. When wires freeze at full load and things begin to float, that is it, very simple.
Further on, it is not spacetime but time-space, i wrote in great depth about all this and no need to repeat except shortly that God first creates a bucking field by two sets of vibrations 180° out of phase and gives structure to this abstract field by polarizing it with 6 axis of time thus creating 3d space. All this is i already explained here and it's also on my blog.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/6-axis-of-time/
https://vril12.wordpress.com
As for virtual vacuum or what they call virtual photons or virtual electron-positron pairs in the mainstream they are really talking about ether. All space is filled with these "bubbles of nothing", which are LITERALLY tiny voids in the densest medium of all, time-space itself. All space is filled with this primordial matter, materia prima, and it is almost imortal, planets and suns rise out of it and dissolve back into it, only at great dissolutions (pralaya) are these bubbles destroyed, that is, dissolved into yet higher form of matter which is contained within them, in fact, as i wrote many times, ether of lower planes is created by condensation of ether of higher planes, 49 bubbles of higher plane join to form a single bubble of a plane below it, and so on in russian doll like manner.
This condensing factor 49 is the reason density of matter, speed of light and rate of time flow all increase times fortynine each plane/octave above and this is how people travel intergalactic distances, by rising just one or two levels above, crossing the same distance in much shorter time and then recondensing.
Everything is made of universal currents. There are spirals within spirals, wheels within wheels, all is in motion, all IS motion.
All these things have extreme merit, this is the science of the magicians, wizards, this is the science of occultists, of secret military space programs (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/amp/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html), of ETs, of all who are intelligent everywhere and everywhen, and much of real engineering or physics data that can be leveraged into a usable form for further development is available, but it is scattered and delicate, rare have done the proper research and rare are able to get it. As i wrote many times, it is absolutely essential that one rises to higher energy level within himself before he can control the Force, whether by electronic means, or directly by Will, or both.
What may appear as more conventional scheme is you imposing on it what you want it to be. Sure, solar panel may be called overunity but it is in fact less than 20% efficient, but if for example backEMF is harvested for overunity, that is not a conventional scheme, ALL real overunity schemes are accessing the negative energy in some form, for all positive energy systems are by definition underunity.
And these higher aspects of science and technology, work of Keely, Hollingshead, Rota and many other great ones, and Sweet who produced the effects but did not understand what he was doing, these are not "tree hugging", these are Higher Science, Higher, Divine Technology.
One needs to seek that, not roll in the mud of herzian heat death (as Don put it). ;)
Again, my pleasure to share.
Regards,
Nix
For those who have the opportunity, here are some of my tips. (I updated my previous post https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578767/#msg578767 )
It is very difficult to do with the output of the mains frequency and voltage. Therefore, 24/48V is preferable for charging storage batteries. Excitation of electromagnets at full power. It is preferable to control the voltage value at the output of the controlled rectifier bridge.
When the power selection drops, the system charges the batteries and turns off, turns on with a sufficient load turned on or a voltage drop on the battery.
Quote from: bistander on June 09, 2023, 11:10:57 PM
Yes, I do. I see Bob Walker, President of Global Business Development at Holcomb Scientific Research, a big player on the team who you promoted 6 months ago, backing away. His profile didn't read like a wimp who'd step away from a top position in a company launching an exclusive world changing trillion $ technology due to hurt feelings.
So you say this forum will know for sure in 1, or 3 or 4 weeks. See you then.
bi
The fact of the matter is that we don't know what happened. Maybe Bob got fired or rebuffed in some other way. We'll see. Yes it has been over six months since Astra took the lead in bringing this tech to market. There was much to do. It's my assumption/WAG that it is very close, hence the increase in rhetoric. As SL has stated, who cares? We know it works.
A-HES has been completely silent. I think that is about to change very soon. I've put my money where my mouth is.
Have a nice day!
LL
Quote from: nix85 on June 10, 2023, 06:13:31 AM
Hi SL
My pleasure to share.
You are assuming page 11 provides some good insight relating to the Holcomb magnetics device operation. We don't even know if Holocomb device really has an operation. Besides, Sweet did not really know what he was saying. In addition to recently surfaced leaks of the insider, i already addressed their 'demonstration' of supposed 2.5kw in 20kw out, not very convincing at all.
"We got some load on right now" he says and points to the bulbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w)
Test load we see are 12 incandescent bulbs. 20kw load? And when asked about this discrepancy they reply in the comments
"The 12-incandescent light bank is only a part of the load. There are also motors, transformers, capacitors, etc.in that load bank calculation.".
Well, capacitors are not a load, transformers neither except for the losses unless they are loaded with actual load, neither are motors unless they do work, free running also only consumes for losses.
This is not how you do a proper OU demonstration. It should be done in clear space without cables all around, device should not be plugged into the wall at all, load should be clearly shown, not just few bulbs in the background that don't amount to 1kW and claim 20kw.
As for your "however"..... firstly, i don't promote Sweet's 'theory' as something to go by, he is only shared for the motional electric field, nothing more nothing less. As for the 3 terms you mention "Negative Energy, Spacetime, virtual vacuum" are not exactly common "themes" of the past, but they are not understood by the mainstream. And these are not "OU Twilight Zone" but mechanics of time-space and etheric universal currents that need to be properly understood to understand OU.
I have elaborated in great depth on Kapandaze thread recently and on others before on all this. In short....
Negative energy is absolutely real, it is the antigravity current, it would be very foolish of you to dismiss this so better study it. As Phylos wrote in A Dweller it was the greatest discovery of Atlantis to find that law of gravitation has superimposed over it law of antigravitation and as the first belongs to what he called day side of nature - for same energy coming as etheric invisible non-herzian 'light' from the Sun CREATES light and heat in the upper atmosphere, and that the negative, reflected energy returning from Earth to the Sun is what Atlantis called Navaz or night-side forces, namely antigravity (at double frequency of gravity which is itself far above ultraviolete (non-herzian)), darkness and cold. Always when levitation is reported is also reported steep drop in temperature, the very Sweet we are discussing who reported to Bearden that his device lost all weight when fully loaded (1kW) and wires froze....this is literally the negative energy, this is the Maxin Light, this is the cold breeze on top of the head when kundalini is activated, this is the cold felt in room when 'ghosts' and any astral phenomena is present.
So as Phylos wrote and as Keely, Hollingshead and others experimentally proved and also clearly said in their papers, there are two vertical streams, positive inward one is what you call gravity (associated with heat death) and outward one associated with levitation (associated with cold and vitality, life). This is also exactly what Schauberger wrote and proved.
It is an etheric stream coming from the Sun in one form, dropping down into our dimension and back out of it in changed form.
So in short, negative energy is very very real, as i said Sweet reported it and countless others. When wires freeze at full load and things begin to float, that is it, very simple.
Further on, it is not spacetime but time-space, i wrote in great depth about all this and no need to repeat except shortly that God first creates a bucking field by two sets of vibrations 180° out of phase and gives structure to this abstract field by polarizing it with 6 axis of time thus creating 3d space. All this is i already explained here and it's also on my blog.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/6-axis-of-time/ (https://vril12.wordpress.com/6-axis-of-time/)
https://vril12.wordpress.com (https://vril12.wordpress.com)
As for virtual vacuum or what they call virtual photons or virtual electron-positron pairs in the mainstream they are really talking about ether. All space is filled with these "bubbles of nothing", which are LITERALLY tiny voids in the densest medium of all, time-space itself. All space is filled with this primordial matter, materia prima, and it is almost imortal, planets and suns rise out of it and dissolve back into it, only at great dissolutions (pralaya) are these bubbles destroyed, that is, dissolved into yet higher form of matter which is contained within them, in fact, as i wrote many times, ether of lower planes is created by condensation of ether of higher planes, 49 bubbles of higher plane join to form a single bubble of a plane below it, and so on in russian doll like manner.
This condensing factor 49 is the reason density of matter, speed of light and rate of time flow all increase times fortynine each plane/octave above and this is how people travel intergalactic distances, by rising just one or two levels above, crossing the same distance in much shorter time and then recondensing.
Everything is made of universal currents. There are spirals within spirals, wheels within wheels, all is in motion, all IS motion.
All these things have extreme merit, this is the science of the magicians, wizards, this is the science of occultists, of secret military space programs (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/amp/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html), of ETs, of all who are intelligent everywhere and everywhen, and much of real engineering or physics data that can be leveraged into a usable form for further development is available, but it is scattered and delicate, rare have done the proper research and rare are able to get it. As i wrote many times, it is absolutely essential that one rises to higher energy level within himself before he can control the Force, whether by electronic means, or directly by Will, or both.
What may appear as more conventional scheme is you imposing on it what you want it to be. Sure, solar panel may be called overunity but it is in fact less than 20% efficient, but if for example backEMF is harvested for overunity, that is not a conventional scheme, ALL real overunity schemes are accessing the negative energy in some form, for all positive energy systems are by definition underunity.
And these higher aspects of science and technology, work of Keely, Hollingshead, Rota and many other great ones, and Sweet who produced the effects but did not understand what he was doing, these are not "tree hugging", these are Higher Science, Higher, Divine Technology.
One needs to seek that, not roll in the mud of herzian heat death (as Don put it). ;)
Again, my pleasure to share.
Regards,
Nix
Hi Nix,
FYI - from my professional analysis and observations; the Holcomb devices do
actually work - the theory is sound and the demonstrations bare this out.
Also, I have many years of proven experience in both Physics and Engieering in
Space Sciences and Payload Design - including studies involving many of the
"Gray Zone" energy claims going back many years. There are a variety of science
papers available but non contain any usable technical conclusions or details.
By my mearly thanking you for the "Sparky" paper and pointing out where,
IMHO, this paper goes astray [as many do -when they hit what appears to be
a "technical brick wall" - they just start making shit up -] you seem to have
gone "over-the-edge."
Sorry, I won't bother responding to you any further. Have a good one!
SL
FWIW - Few, if any, Professional Papers go into "Tree Hugging" scenarios when
an unexplainable technical, or other, barrier is encountered.
They simply state this fact in the conclusion and remark that further work
is required - rarely, if ever, "do they just start making shit up!"
That's one of the major differences between "Forum Scribblings" and
"Professional Work-product."
This is clearly obvious when reviewing the Holcomb Patents and Presentations. Real
tangable facts and conclusions are presented and, when professionally analyzed, the
presented claims stand-up.
Also, a very good hint to follow before deciding to analyze any (new or old) concept
or idea.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 10, 2023, 04:04:50 PM
Hi Nix,
FYI - from my professional analysis and observations; the Holcomb devices do
actually work - the theory is sound and the demonstrations bare this out.
Also, I have many years of proven experience in both Physics and Engieering in
Space Sciences and Payload Design - including studies involving many of the
"Gray Zone" energy claims going back many years. There are a variety of science
papers available but non contain any usable technical conclusions or details.
By my mearly thanking you for the "Sparky" paper and pointing out where,
IMHO, this paper goes astray [as many do -when they hit what appears to be
a "technical brick wall" - they just start making shit up -] you seem to have
gone "over-the-edge."
Sorry, I won't bother responding to you any further. Have a good one!
SL
FWIW - Few, if any, Professional Papers go into "Tree Hugging" scenarios when
an unexplainable technical, or other, barrier is encountered.
They simply state this fact in the conclusion and remark that further work
is required - rarely, if ever, "do they just start making shit up!"
That's one of the major differences between "Forum Scribblings" and
"Professional Work-product."
This is clearly obvious when reviewing the Holcomb Patents and Presentations. Real
tangable facts and conclusions are presented and, when professionally analyzed, the
presented claims stand-up.
Also, a very good hint to follow before deciding to analyze any (new or old) concept
or idea.
Hi SL,
FYI - we are all aware you have been claiming Holcomb devices work, but
you never backed that up with anything solid, just few simulation diagrams
that prove nothing and endless useless drama.
Their "demonstrations" don't prove anything. I linked their "demonstration"
of supposed 2kw in 20kw out, only load we see is 12 bulbs that don't add
up to even 1kw. "Demonstration" is extremely non transparent, one may
even say deceptive (as ex employee claims). Funny you did not address
this at all.
And his "theory" is ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM
His whole "theory" is repeating the most basic facts that iron atom has
4 unpaired electrons and thus has a net magnetic field (perfectly explained
in the canadian documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bht9AJ1eNYc) from the 80s i linked number of times already).
And then he says how electric steel amplifies flux of a coil "4-5 times" and he
claims this is 5x overunity. That is his whole "theory", that iron is ferromagnetic
and that it amplifies flux. Firstly, electrical steel does not amplify flux 4-5
times, but 4-5 THOUSAND times or more, as table below shows permeability
of electrical steel is up to 20,000 and other materials up to million.
Secondly, altho i strongly believe high permeability cores are great potential for
overunity, using them as ordinary transformers is no overunity. The other day
i again shared my idea for high permeability core flyback transformer and pix
corrected me rightfully that altho small current in the primary is enough to
establish very large flux in the core, the reverse is also true, small current
in the secondary is enough to counteract it (lenz). I admitted back there
that i omitted this important detail. I also wrote there is more to it, for
there are countless reports that backEMF yields overunity, altho it is usually
not much more than 100%. So, IF Holcomb is really getting 5x overunity,
it is surely not by mere fact of iron's permeability, he is either using
screening foil for the secondary like Alexander Mikhalych and others
to divert the lenz and possibly resonance too, and/or delayed lenz ala Heins etc.
There must be SOME method to bypass the usual 'walls'. And, again, IF
he's getting what he claims, he surely did NOT disclose which method he uses.
In addition, all that iron does is it concentrates vortexya (https://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/oah402.htm) aka Earth's
etheric field.
As for your "proven experience" i cringed so hard. My my if you only knew
how ironic is your "self-credentializing". If you only knew the REAL Physics
and Engineering in Space Sciences (advanced propulsion systems, radiation
shielding, life support and so on infinitely in all space-transport/living related
areas), the REAL energy/overunity principles (many already shared here) etc.
Let's not forget you claimed and supposedly still claim Dr. Schwartz is
a scammer altho he is not a scammer by any means, from his rods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ko6IGPH7lo) to
his ERR box (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wGflXZp2Y).
Sparky's "theory" is not important, whether he was "making shit up" or not,
he achieved effects but he did not know, he had no access to key info.
And you mentioned those terms and made a claim they belong to past
(funny, as if you "know"), so i explained them in short, i did not "go over
the edge", i summarized the advanced knowledge, but of course it all flew over
your head. Ironically, it is you who has been going over the edge for a long
time now, defending Holcomb like a fanatic.
You are now trying to push the idea of "professional papers", as if something is
correct just cause it is packed in "professional" paper and vice versa. What a joke.
We have recently seen an example (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mHOgWWpmCxG8JMIktZYakVRy_Z6YkCh-/view) of a "professional paper" yet 100% flawed
as clearly proven. So not only do they "make shit up", they base whole "theories"
and "experiments" on flawed ideas and not-understanding. Not to mention how
utterly flawed most of mainstream "science" is, sleazily crafted to distract from the Truth.
Like i wrote already, i do not promote Sweet's "theory", i shared a screenshot where
he talks about Motional Electric Field, in context of two kinds of induction by Henry,
Aharonov–Bohm effect, related to subtle side of induction i have been talking
about. Even that screenshot i shared i don't agree with much of what he says, not
to mention the whole document. So Sweet's "theory" is irrelevant for most part,
and you grabbed onto it as if it has some special importance. Sweet is important
for the effects he achieved, not his "theory".
You try to paint the picture of your supposed "professionalism" while it is clear from
your whole opus you are doing nothing but "Forum Scribblings" and "Tree Hugging".
Nothing is "clearly obvious" about Holcomb, they gave no "real tangible facts", not
even a real tangible THEORY, let alone a proper demonstration where device is
not plugged into the wall, powering a real load etc. The way they "do" it is exactly
the opposite of how it should be done - with 100% transparency.
Sorry (not sorry), i won't bother responding to you any further either. Have a good one! ;)
Nix
Hi. Hope you're having a good day!
LL
Hi. Great day in fact, hope you're having a great day too!
Nix
Nix about to delete your post for personal abuse. I am giving you a chance to fix it.
What are you talking about, point to the supposed "abuse".
You're having double standards again.
BTW you have just been reported to Stefan again.
If you continue to abuse your mod status you will be banned.
Abuse - questionable - but this outburst does speak for itself:
Quote from Nix85 post above:
- "As for your "proven experience" i cringed so hard. My my if you only knew
how ironic is your "self-credentializing". If you only knew the REAL Physics
and Engineering in Space Sciences (advanced propulsion systems, radiation
shielding, life support and so on infinitely in all space-transport/living related
areas), the REAL energy/overunity principles (many already shared here) etc." -
F.Y.I. - I do, in fact, know a great deal about these, and many other, "REAL
Physics and Engineering in Space Sciences -
PLUS I have studied and mapped the "South Atlantic Anomaly" and been a part
of our "Closest Encounter with the Sun" (on-going), amongst many other projects.
Note also: "cringing is not healthy, you should try to avoid it if possible!" :-\
SL
That's not an "outburst", this is an outburst and it does speak for itself
Quote from SolarLabs post (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg572545/#msg572545)
"And you still look for "Petty" spelling, etc. stupid shit!"
And your countless similar outbursts around here, little bit of searching would
return a bountiful collection.
Outburst is calling people trolls and idiots just cause they asked you if you can
provide anything concrete to back up your claims of successul ou device, not
simulations, but measurements and/or a video.
Outburst is accusing people of "making shit up" and Tree Hugging" just cause
you disagree with their ideas/theories.
I just cringed at your claim of supposed advanced knowledge
of Space Sciences and "Gray Zone" energy claims (presumably overunity).
Cringe for a very good reason for i have studied exactly those things to great depths
and have, thank God, reached certain level of understanding of Natural Principles
(and associated tech) that would seem like SF to you. It is a result of immense
dedication. Some things are not for public yet and i may in few years share some
of it here, then you will know what i was talking about.
Also, cringing is perfectly heathy reaction when something is cringe-worthy,
being fanatically defensive and agressive about a device you never seen and
proven to work is not healthy. You should avoid it if possible!
Nix
If Stefan wants to allow abuse from anonymous accounts I'm done. It's why I stopped posting last time. I have a business to run and don't have time to police your petty name calling abusive, cowardly posts. Bye
HA, only abuse is you abusing your mod status which you should not have ever had. My account is not anonymous
and petty name calling abusive, cowardly double standards posts are exclusively yours. And clean your mirror.
Quote from: nix85 on June 10, 2023, 10:13:41 PM
HA, only abuse is you abusing your mod status which you should not have ever had. My account is not anonymous
and petty name calling abusive, cowardly double standards posts are exclusively yours. And clean your mirror.
Nix85 - or whoever,
Thanks for clearing that up for me - that is - confirming that your a 5 year old with a bad attitude and
technically as dumb as dirt.
Appreciate it more than you could ever know! Have a good one...
Enjoy your DUMPSTER treck!
SL
Jim
Thanks for all you've done
It is like a guy running around the forum with a can of gas and matches
Nobody has time to babysit this fire starter ( and he knows it)
It is truly his goal
Just look at what has happened since he bragged he will not be moderated ( millions of accounts)
And threatened our host ..
He wants forum to close to read only...
Cares not for anyone but himself..
Quote from: SolarLab on June 10, 2023, 10:49:55 PM
Nix85 - or whoever,
Thanks for clearing that up for me - that is - confirming that your a 5 year old with a bad attitude and
technically as dumb as dirt.
Appreciate it more than you could ever know! Have a good one...
Enjoy your DUMPSTER treck!
SL
There there, show your true colors. You have just confirmed that you are
"a 5 year old with a bad attitude and technically as dumb as dirt."
But nothing new about that. I see spelling is still troubling you, not surprising for a 5yo.
Enjoy your dumpster "treck"!
Nix
And there comes the snaketongue,
As usual he describes himself, he indeed goes around the forum with a can of gas and matches, always ready to set anyone speaking the Truth on fire, always ready to stab in the back!
Nobody has time to babysit this fire starter shill (and he knows it)
It is truly his goal
NdaClouDzzz said it (https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg556322/#msg556322)
"And don't buy into shyster Ramset's spiel as his job here is to lure out free-energy inventors so that the MIB can shut them down. Many fakers here!"
Ye shall know them by their fruits! Denier or overunity, denier of magnetic motors, destroyer of Truth, shill, liar and agent of the dark side.
He described himself exactly...
He wants forum to close to read only...
Cares not for anyone but himself..
NDAclouds
Quote (written after NDAclouds posting above highlighted as a sick joke ( yeah he is real nice funny guy)
Post number 6 from your link
Quote
ur easy to fuk with, Ramset. And I'm not Chris! Bunch of dummies here who think so! [/size]
End quote
Like I already wrote
Nix
Your a fire starter who try's to twist things to fit your agenda ( above is perfect example)
A full time job ..
Nix quote
There, snake tongue cames out, as usual, sleazy sleazly act, fake tears, fake words of support to hide badly covered dark agenda, poison carefully packed as cure. Nothing new. [/size]
No Nix
Below is the reason we are here
And anonymous entities like yourself
Writing things like this about real persons
Is against the law and terms of service agreement ( Jim is also not anonymous here)
Regarding terms of service agreement
You are a huge liability !
Well,
I suppose laws and rules don't apply to you
Threatening our host ?
It's all easy after that....
Ps
In this topic we are hoping to get access to actual Holcomb unit for testing ( already purchased)
I believe Jim also was on this path in OZ ( yes chalk up another win Nix,
Jim is done here ( babysitting )!
Like they say there's a grain of truth in every joke, in that case far more than a grain.
As usual, Ramset, you describe yourself. You are an actor, a sleazy manipulator who tries to twist things to fit your agenda.
Your full time job..
And what is your agenda, it surely is NOT overunity disclosure for you have worked unceasingly for years to undermine faith in overunity, how many real devices i shared you called fake (to discourage people from even trying) just cause they are on youtube, my whole playlist you called fake while in fact everything in it is REAL. Hundreds of devices, here
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o
Same for my magnet only motor playlist, 50+ devices, you also called them all fake, while they are all real.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGl5al_O94rmKNiuSZs7Loz1
You called Milkovic multistage oscillator which has been proven to be 12x overunity...what did you call it ramset.....
"nothing overunity". Need i say more. You are one sleazy sleazy actor who pretends to work for overunity while doing everything to destroy it.
You have tricked Stefan for years here, but he starts to see you for what you are.
And you sleazily call me "anonymous entity" while i am no more anyonymous entity than you.
using my real nickname, my real year of birth, my primary email from which i communicate with Stefan.....
Have you shared your last name and address and phone number, you have NOT, you are not a real person.
And writing lies/false accusations against others online is criminal in every case.
And then as always you sleazily post that screenshot of the welcome page supposedly to remind of reason we are here,
when you are in reality the very opposition, THE destroyer of overunity.
Regarding terms of service agreement
YOU are a huge liability, but you won't be able to play your filthy games much longer, we are entering levels of reality where ALL will be revealed EXACTLY for what they are. Not a favorable thing for a snake like you.
And then you again sleazily lie that i threatened the host while in fact i sent him advices how to cure himself, mutliple times.
When you call two playlists with hundreds of real overunity devices "fake" without even looking at them.....
It's all easy after that....
PS, may Holocomb device be shared here if it is really purchased, no one happier than me.
But why i got a feeling that is another of your tricks and nothing will come of it.
For you have perfected the act and many have fallen into your trap.
How many have you led away from overunity into death of disbelief ( yes chalk up another win ramset,
you could till now while Stefan was not watching ( babysitting )!
Everyone,
Nix85 - or whoever - is a TROLL (likely paid) who has the assignment to SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN using
whatever shilly means he can muster (lucky he's not too smart) even if it means
SHUTTING THE ENTIRE FORUM DOWN.
But even if this thread goes blank or the entire Forum goes away - there are many other venues to fill the gap.
Why attack the Holcomb thread, or Forum?, you might ask:
BECAUSE THE HOLCOMB DEVICES ARE CAPABLE OF EXCESS ENERGY GENERATION and "they" know it - but
they can not let you (all) know it - because if that happens - their game is over - it's as simple as that!
You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to figure this one out.
However, the energy world will change for the better, soon enough; so just sit back and enjoy the SHOW folks!
His groups chances of succeeding in their mission are pretty much zero, especially if we don't fall for their ruse!
Those who know...
There, a 5yo payed shill SolarLabs - or whoever - spews more worthless drama, stupid false accusations that i am trying to shut the thread down or the whole forum (lol).
As usual he fanatically screams Holcomb devices give excess energy but don't ask him anything concrete about it cause then you are a "troll"....
Accidental? Don't think so. That is exactly their tactique, endless distractions with dramatizing but never knowledge or illumination. Ye shall know them by their fruits!
Thankufully, he's about as smart as a cockroach so no one intelligent falls for his tricks. Everybody intelligent has seen who uplifts in knowledge and understanding and who wastes time with worthless drama - for how long has he been dragging with this, trolling everyone, more than a year, with nothing, literally.
Let's not forget he also claims Dr. Schwartz is a scammer altho he is not a scammer by any means, from his rods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ko6IGPH7lo) to his ERR box (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wGflXZp2Y).
So, here, i'll move back, let him have the "stage" so he can tell us how Holcomb is great, just ask no questions and he won't say you're a troll. :)
In case your one of the few who are too lazy to do any of your own research:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
Review the links and videos.
https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
Review the technical discussion and videos.
Or, follow the posts (solarlab) starting here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
And, as you discover the technology, put on your over-the-ear headphones:
http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb (http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb)
Enjoy!
There, he again resorts to adhominems and links generalities i have seen all, and to his old posts, why am i not surprized.
In case you have not noticed few posts back i analyzed his key video about his "theory", and have analyzed
their "demonstration" which you also never addressed. I have watched all their videos, read their webpage and facebook page.
In case you're too lazy to do any of your own research, here is my research from few posts back, repost.
In addition to recently surfaced leaks of the insider, i already addressed their 'demonstration' of supposed 2.5kw in 20kw out, not very convincing at all.
"We got some load on right now" he says and points to the bulbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w
Test load we see are 12 incandescent bulbs. 20kw load? And when asked about this discrepancy they reply in the comments
"The 12-incandescent light bank is only a part of the load. There are also motors, transformers, capacitors, etc.in that load bank calculation.".
Well, capacitors are not a load, transformers neither except for the losses unless they are loaded with actual load, neither are motors unless they do work, free running also only consumes for losses.
This is not how you do a proper OU demonstration. It should be done in clear space without cables all around, device should not be plugged into the wall at all, load should be clearly shown, not just few bulbs in the background that don't amount to 1kW and claim 20kw.
And his "theory" is ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1VJ65LcXM
His whole "theory" is repeating the most basic facts that iron atom has
4 unpaired electrons and thus has a net magnetic field (perfectly explained
in the canadian documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bht9AJ1eNYc) from the 80s i linked number of times already).
And then he says how electric steel amplifies flux of a coil "4-5 times" and he
claims this is 5x overunity. That is his whole "theory", that iron is ferromagnetic
and that it amplifies flux. Firstly, electrical steel does not amplify flux 4-5
times, but 4-5 THOUSAND times or more, as table below shows permeability
of electrical steel is up to 20,000 and other materials up to million.
Secondly, altho i strongly believe high permeability cores are great potential for
overunity, using them as ordinary transformers is no overunity. The other day
i again shared my idea for high permeability core flyback transformer and pix
corrected me rightfully that altho small current in the primary is enough to
establish very large flux in the core, the reverse is also true, small current
in the secondary is enough to counteract it (lenz). I admitted back there
that i omitted this important detail. I also wrote there is more to it, for
there are countless reports that backEMF yields overunity, altho it is usually
not much more than 100%. So, IF Holcomb is really getting 5x overunity,
it is surely not by mere fact of iron's permeability, he is either using
screening foil for the secondary like Alexander Mikhalych and others
to divert the lenz and possibly resonance too, and/or delayed lenz ala Heins etc.
There must be SOME method to bypass the usual 'walls'. And, again, IF
he's getting what he claims, he surely did NOT disclose which method he uses.
Now, if you have something intelligent and concrete to say for a change,
address these points.
Which exact mechanism do you propose he is using, one of these i suggested
"screening foil for the secondary like Alexander Mikhalych and others
to divert the lenz and possibly resonance too, and/or delayed lenz ala Heins"
Or something else.
And what about their "demonstration" 2kw in 20kw out where only load we see is
12 lightbulbs.
I have already discovered the "technology" and unlike you suggested some possible solutions.
Try to do the same. Here is some music too, pop on the earphones and think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nE3ycSevIA
Enjoy!
Give it a rest you idiot!
All of your concerns can be easily addressed yourself if you simply took the
time to look into them; that is if you were capable - but apprently not.
Like I said - appreciate the technology:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
Review the links and videos.
https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
Review the technical discussion and videos.
Or, follow the posts (solarlab) starting here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
And, as you discover the technology, put on your over-the-ear headphones:
http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb (http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb)
Enjoy!
Yea, I know, don't feed the Trolls - but hey, they have to eat and feed their dog!
BTW - I give more to charity than most people - Trolls included (but at least
in this case it's not out of my pocket) :D
Speak to the point!
How to spot a troll? He does a lot of garbage without real indicators and experiments, in which you can freely get confused.
For those who want to repeat Holcomb, they must know exactly how the traditional synchronous machine works.
He gave his recommendations in two posts:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578772/#msg578772
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578688/#msg578688
To see how the power windings of a three-phase (4 pole) synchronous generator are wound is not difficult. If you already have such a stator from the generator, it remains to make a solid state for it, everything is in Holcomb's patents, I gave a feature in the recommendations.
By the way, everything is confirmed as never before.
My latest test demonstrates this. The reverse pulse works on the same principles as the phase of a synchronous generator.
I hope to finish my material soon.
PS
"Reverse convector Rakarsky" is connected to a slightly discharged battery 12V, 7A / h. The same source is used to control the convector circuit through a common circuit. The oscillogram is taken from a 1 ohm resistor, through which the system is connected to the negative terminal of the battery. Waiting transformer from a microwave oven was used, the windings were rewound and the magnetic circuit was modernized. We get OverUnity, only if there is a zone for charging the battery, if the battery is charged, then 0.89-1.
Analysis of the full period: B - half-cycle of excitation; C - reverse half-cycle (generation); A - zone of Unity of two half-periods.
There is no rest for liars, you turboidiot!
You have wasted too much people's time and energy with bullshit.
You are incapable of answering any question relating to the subject, always sleazily dodging,
llinking the same stupid links which supposedly "have all the answers", at the same time
accusing people of being "trolls" and "lazy" cause they dared to ask - anything.
Now, since it is clear i am talking to a bot which possess no intelligence, not even an artificial one,
i can only suggest your creators, try harder, cause like this it's laughable, pathetic really.
Look at ChatGPT, it at least simulates intelligence at times, you should improve it so it at least
tries to mimic an actual intelligent human being. Spambots are easy to spot these days,
filtering is done mostly automatically.
Google AI Library, you will find tons of premade algorithms that will be somewhat harder
to spot, you can even customize ChatGPT as a shill-bot, with bit of effort you can
achieve far better results. You can even add music to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFp_2eJlfYg
Enjoy!
PS using only real human agents might be a wiser option, bots are too easy to spot and destroy
(altho your 'human' agents are hardly any better) :D
There there, when you're proven wrong just say "troll", how sweet.
It is clear who has been posting garbage without real indicators and experiments, which i surgically removed.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578769/#msg578769
There should be no induction here he said :) And imagine, induction happens perfectly normally in 2 ways.
Not to mention other pearls "in the groove of the generator, the magnetic lines do not cross the wire to induce the EMF" :)
And all the rest.
Quote from: ramset on June 10, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
Ps
In this topic we are hoping to get access to actual Holcomb unit for testing ( already purchased)
I believe Jim also was on this path in OZ ( yes chalk up another win Nix,
That is great news. Were you given a timeframe of delivery of the unit?
Thanks for sharing that.
LL
Can anybody identify the attached graphic? I've seen it here several times. It appears to attempt to depict magnetic field lines of two nearby bar magnets. However field lines never cross. Therefore this image is erroneous. An internet search finds no other such graphic showing field lines crossed. Below the questionable image is a screenshot showing similar magnets proximity. Its source should be included.
bi
If you got a question ask the uploader directly.
Obviously flux lines never cross, magnetic or electric. What have i been saying and depicting the whole time,
that flux lines meet in the middle and MERGE. All is clearly written.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578769/#msg578769
As for image, it should be obvious to everyone intelligent i made the image quickly in photoshop
doubling and overlaying the image i also already posted. It obviously does not matter that
flux lines are not depicted merged for image depicts the point that wire is cutting densest flux
at point of closest approach.
As i wrote x times already, before flux lines merge they meet in the wire which is always their
point of first contact. So wire cuts the flux.
bistander
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578804/#msg578804
Of course, this is a tool of a troll who denies the obvious and asserts lies without facts.
The troll is trying to prove that the author of this experiment is wrong.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/03/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Faraday: electrotonic state, Maxwell: electrokinetic momentum:
Integral around a circuit, p = int A.dl
A = mvp
emf = -dp/dt
A stationary magnetic field always causes momentum in a circuit, changing the momentum creates emf.
It is absurd and ironic that he still calls me "troll" instead of admitting he's been proven wrong as everyone normal would. It is exactly him who denies the obvious and asserts lies without facts. Experiment IS flawed.
Induction happens in the experiment in two ways, as clearly explained. I invite everyone who understands induction
to join the conversation. Let's see if anyone really thinks what i said is wrong.
Yeah. The only way to OU is gaining a good understanding of induction and extend it logically applying new insights.
When you study Sweet, you'll see he defines motional induction of any system in terms of dΦ/dt
Yes, like i said deep understanding of induction is essential for OU, both B-Field and A-Field,
and intelligent application of this knowledge to bypass lenz.
I studied Sweet and have read his paper i uploaded, he is using both formulas in the paper.
E=Bvl and E=NdΦ/dt
But there is no need to get hang too much on formulas, they are both saying the same thing in
slightly different way....
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.
The practical distinction between these "two phenomena" or rather, two aspects of one phenomena is
As i wrote here
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578716/#msg578716
If north flux passes across the wire as shown electron will be pushed up, no matter which way you close that loop, whether you make the flux enter the loop or exit it, irrelevant, electron will go up, always.
So one is direct reaction of wire to change of flux across it while the latter does not require flux cutting the wire,
namely, in a toroid transformer, all flux is contained within the core, coils "feel" the change of flux through them.
To me this clearly indicates induction is really mediated through higher order field, namely, the A-field.
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Andersen_AETHER_CONTROL_via_an_understanding_of_ORTHOGONAL_FIELDS.pdf
Quote from: alan on June 11, 2023, 08:46:08 AM
Yeah. The only way to OU is gaining a good understanding of induction and extend it logically applying new insights.
When you study Sweet, you'll see he defines motional induction of any system in terms of dΦ/dt
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578799/#msg578799
Figuera 30378:
the soft iron core can be constructed with complete indifference of the induced circuit, allowing the core to be a real group of electromagnets, like the exciters,...
In the winding of this induced wire, within the magnetic fields, are followed the requirements and practices known today in the construction of dynamos,and we refrain from going into further detail, believing it unnecessary. hint hint
The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several electromagnets are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole faces separated by a small distance...
HES...
Ironically, he still claims there should be no induction in the "experiment".
To recap, flux lines from both magnets meet in the wire, there is absolutely no
question if wire cuts the flux.
And after that happens flux lines merge and there is increase of flux through the loop.
And flux is gerater near the side of the magnet than farther away, obviously, EXCEPT
very very close to the magnet, but they never approach that close.
So induction happens in TWO ways. Experiment is flawed.
This is however a good example to teach induction.
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 08:38:12 AM
It is absurd and ironic that he still calls me "troll" instead of admitting he's been proven wrong as everyone normal would. It is exactly him who denies the obvious and asserts lies without facts. Experiment IS flawed.
Induction happens in the experiment in two ways, as clearly explained. I invite everyone who understands induction
to join the conversation. Let's see if anyone really thinks what i said is wrong.
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 09:42:14 AM
Ironically, he still claims there should be no induction in the "experiment".
To recap, flux lines from both magnets meet in the wire, there is absolutely no
question if wire cuts the flux.
There is induction, otherwise there would be no EMF in the conductor. There is no crossing of the conductor by the magnetic lines of the magnetic field.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 11, 2023, 10:40:36 AM
There is induction, otherwise there would be no EMF in the conductor. There is no crossing of the conductor by the magnetic lines of the magnetic field.
Obviously there is induction as voltage is induced and as i said in 2 different ways.
As for "There is no crossing of the conductor by the magnetic lines of the magnetic field." you are WRONG.
I have already explained and shared images many times that wire, being in the center between magnets,
is where flux lines first touch. This is so obvious and undeniable.
And what is that if not crossing of conductor by the flux lines. Flux line does not have to cross to the other side,
it just needs to enter the wire and it does for stated reason, wire is where two side fluxes meet.
And when they meet in the wire, they merge and form one big loop of flux. And one side of this loop of flux is passing through the loop of wire ALSO causing induction.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578763/#msg578763
The "self-evident" calculation shows the impossibility of the emf from the intersection of the lines. There is another EMF, if you calculate according to it, it can come up as everything happens there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3lNBSAgEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3lNBSAgEg)
Replace rotor with iron wound bifilar stator.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578769/#msg578769
The "self-evident" fact that flux lines clash in the wire PROVES wire cuts the flux.
This is wire cutting flux.
EMF is normally induced due to flux lines cutting the wire as they clash in the middle and also when they merge and form big loops of flux passing through the coil.
There is no "another EMF", this is perfectly "normal" induction with both methods flux cutting and linking. If you look at the field lines as i explained countless times and if you calculate according to it, you will see it is exactly as i described.
Interesting.
https://tinyurl.com/Wireinfield
See the attached graphic from there.
Then this:
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 08:32:29 AM
...
Obviously flux lines never cross, magnetic or electric.
...
Then this:
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 11:01:13 AM...
is where flux lines first touch.
...
What about flux lines from the current in the conductor? Or if no current previously exists, would not a flux have to surround the wire to move a charge which amounts to inducing a potential?
Causes one to wonder if flux cutting really is proper terminology. Perhaps flux jumping is better, or reconnection? You realize these lines are just mental aids and not real, don't you? Is this actually advancing verification of Holcomb's claims? Would like to see where the flux lines are in Holcomb's cross section, attached, copied from prior Cadman post.
bi
That image depicts "wire carrying a current is placed in a magnetic field the wire experiences a force due to the interaction between the field and the moving charges in the wire"
So it is the motor effect (laplace) depiction i shared already (below).
We can use these images for induction too BUT, if flux around the wire expelled the incoming fields completely
as shown then no induction should happen for wire could not "see" the flux cutting it, unless we assume that wire's flux becomes its "sensing body", so it senses change of flux not through the wire but by its magnetic field.
This is interesting and important to clarify. I must admit i am not sure either. I know from Magnetman's videos and from experience that stronger flux will penetrate the weaker one, so assuming flux of the magnet is denser weaker wire flux could not expel it to any large extent.
"You can see that in the middle where this is where two large repelling magnets are forcing towards each other and you see right across this middle where the lines of flux are separating and it starts moving out to the edges and goes out to the edge this is what you expect to happen but when they get so close together that there isn't any room for this to happen that's when we get this demagnetizing effect"
"Magnetism goes through anything even another magnet"
SuperMagnetMan Repelling Magnets - Can 2 South Poles stick together? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foOmZcl-MsA)
Whether wire expels the incoming flux fully or almost not at all does not change anything Hooper-Monstein-wise, flux still meets in the middle clashing against the wire (or its flux). Induction happens in normal manner.
"You realize these lines are just mental aids and not real, don't you?" You are wrong there, there are actual individual flux lines, obviously much much denser than illustrated.
bistander
This is not my post: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578814/#msg578814
And these are my posts:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578767/#msg578767
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578799/#msg578799
Corrected.
bi
He still does not admit two opposite fluxes clash in the wire (or against its flux), in any case, induction happens in normal manner. Also, as stated x times already, when two magnet fluxes merge flux linking in the wire loop also induces voltage.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578802/#msg578802
Quote from: bistander on June 11, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
Corrected.
bi
Addendum for clarification. The essence and meaning of the posts did not change.
;)
I got 3 questions for rakarskiy, he may answer if he wants. If he is for the truth as he should be he will.
1) Do you agree two fluxes clash in the wire (or against its flux)
2) Do you agree once flux lines that clash in the wire (or against its flux) merge, they form a loop that passes through the wire loop
3) Do you agree both of these induce voltage in normal manner
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
I got 3 questions for rakarskiy, he may answer if he wants. If he is for the truth as he should be he will.
1) Do you agree two fluxes clash in the wire (or against its flux)
2) Do you agree once flux lines that clash in the wire (or against its flux) merge, they form a loop that passes through the wire loop
3) Do you agree both of these induce voltage in normal manner
My view on the nature of the CURRENT (measured in Amperes) in a conductor: https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html
In the Transformer and the Synchronous Generator, the EMF is induced by a non-contact method, determined by the formula: E = 2πФf /√2 = 44,4Фf (https://ppt-online.org/490620)
https://studfile.net/preview/2652362/page:19/
(in the window of the transformer core, as well as in the groove of the generator stator, there are no power lines sufficient to induce EMF by contact method)
By the way, physicists cannot explain this and call it an engineering formula (that is, in fact)
At the same time, in the generator, the magnetic induction of the conductor enhances the stator field, and does not oppose it. It was on this effect that I designed my convector and got what I was looking for.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578799/#msg578799
***
Your statements: either delusions or outright lies.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 11, 2023, 02:07:51 PM
My view on the nature of the CURRENT (measured in Amperes) in a conductor: https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html
In the Transformer and the Synchronous Generator, the EMF is induced by a non-contact method, determined by the formula: E = 2πФf /√2 = 44,4Фf
(in the window of the transformer core, as well as in the groove of the generator stator, there are no power lines sufficient to induce EMF by contact method)
By the way, physicists cannot explain this and call it an engineering formula (that is, in fact)
At the same time, in the generator, the magnetic induction of the conductor enhances the stator field, and does not oppose it. It was on this effect that I designed my convector and got what I was looking for. https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578799/#msg578799
Your statements: either delusions or outright lies.
I did not ask you to link tons of text in Russian, i did not ask you for a formula for EMF in synchronous generator which i have known for untold years
Synchronous Generator working (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tyBWqVSUfI)
I have already shared the key formulas, both are in my thread few general formulas (https://overunity.com/18592/few-general-formulas/)
V=-N*dΦ/dt - farraday's law
V = BLv - farraday law for moving conductor
And
E = 4.44 * number of turns * frequency * flux in the core
And
E/f
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578723/#msg578723
As i said they are all saying the same thing in slightly different way
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.As i as i said before, the fact coil "feels" the change of flux through it to me clearly indicates induction is really mediated through higher order field, namely, the A-field aka Magnetic Vector Potential (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_vector_potential)
A field is the higher order of energy and B field is just the frontal part of it.
You again claim that wire in synchronous generator does not cut flux which is wrong. There is both wire cutting flux and flux linking happening there. That is a fact.
Anyway, all that is important but not needed to explain why Hooper-Monstein experiment is flawed.
You answered none of the 3 questions i asked. I won't ask you again cause i know you won't answer.
You are in denial of facts. It is undeniable that
1) Two fluxes clash in the wire (or against its flux)
2) Once flux lines that clash in the wire (or against its flux) merge, they form a loop that passes through the wire loop
3) Both of these induce voltage in normal manner
YOUR statements are either delusions or outright lies.
nix85, you are sick? I'm not a doctor
The experiment is not erroneous, it fully confirms the transformer EMF formula, which I indicated in the previous post and which physics cannot explain.
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 11:32:48 AM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578769/#msg578769 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578769/#msg578769)
The "self-evident" fact that flux lines clash in the wire PROVES wire cuts the flux.
This is wire cutting flux.
EMF is normally induced due to flux lines cutting the wire as they clash in the middle and also when they merge and form big loops of flux passing through the coil.
There is no "another EMF", this is perfectly "normal" induction with both methods flux cutting and linking. If you look at the field lines as i explained countless times and if you calculate according to it, you will see it is exactly as i described.
With induction by transformer action or flux linking, nothing cuts the wires when the B field is completely confined in the core, it is the A(ether)-magnetic vector potential that is doing the work, changing this causes emf. So this is probably the same action in flux cutting that causes induction.
rakarskiy Funny. YOU are sick? i am not a doctor either but you are in denial of reality.
You are writing complete nonsense. Experiment is 100% bogus, flawed. There is nothing strange about induction happening in such configuration, any more than induction in any generator of any kind. Induction is happening both by wire cutting and flux linking.
1) Two fluxes clash in the wire (or against its flux)
2) Once flux lines that clash in the wire (or against its flux) merge, they form a loop that passes through the wire loop
3) Both of these induce voltage in normal manner
You cannot deny any of these 3 points for they are undeniable and prove it is just classical induction at work.
There are many examples that manistream cannot explain but this is definitely not one of them
Quote from: alan on June 11, 2023, 03:28:47 PM
With induction by transformer action or flux linking, nothing cuts the wires when the B field is completely confined in the core, it is the A(ether)-magnetic vector potential that is doing the work, changing this causes emf. So this is probably the same action in flux cutting that causes induction.
Obviously so, that is exactly what i've been saying last few pages and for years around here, it is the A field aka Magnetic Vector Potential aka ether that is the real mediator for both types of induction, and they are two aspects of one phenomena.
As i wrote few posts back
in a toroid transformer, all flux is contained within the core, coils "feel" the change of flux through them.
To me this clearly indicates induction is really mediated through higher order field, namely, the A-field.
Quote from: nix85 on June 11, 2023, 08:58:40 AM
Yes, like i said deep understanding of induction is essential for OU, both B-Field and A-Field,
and intelligent application of this knowledge to bypass lenz.
I studied Sweet and have read his paper i uploaded, he is using both formulas in the paper.
E=Bvl and E=NdΦ/dt
But there is no need to get hang too much on formulas, they are both saying the same thing in
slightly different way....
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.
The practical distinction between these "two phenomena" or rather, two aspects of one phenomena is
As i wrote here
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578716/#msg578716
If north flux passes across the wire as shown electron will be pushed up, no matter which way you close that loop, whether you make the flux enter the loop or exit it, irrelevant, electron will go up, always.
So one is direct reaction of wire to change of flux across it while the latter does not require flux cutting the wire,
namely, in a toroid transformer, all flux is contained within the core, coils "feel" the change of flux through them.
To me this clearly indicates induction is really mediated through higher order field, namely, the A-field.
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Andersen_AETHER_CONTROL_via_an_understanding_of_ORTHOGONAL_FIELDS.pdf
And this
As i as i said before, the fact coil "feels" the change of flux through it to me clearly indicates induction is really mediated through higher order field, namely, the A-field aka Magnetic Vector Potential (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_vector_potential)
And this
https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry/msg541766/#msg541766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prXkW9l3MzM
We can see in the last video about leakage how guy explains
flux prefers to loop on itself through the air, rather than go through the core surrounded by aluminum ring.This is a very peculiar thing. Why would flux in the core care about a ring that is OUTSIDE of a core. This is the whole point. Magnetic field is just an effect, ether (A-Field) is the true medium of transmission.
Obviously, aluminum ring develops counterflux that repels the flux in the core so it prefers to loop through the air, but, again, the fact coil "feels" change of flux through it is the main point and shows induction is mediated through a different (A) field
BTW, i have few years back tried to make lenzless generator based on idea flux in the toroid coil is totally contained inside as shown below. First photo is not mine, it just demonstrates the flux containment. Idea was to have two opposing sets of magnets on each side, N to N and as they cut wire vertically, induced field was supposed to be at 90° through whole toroid so magnets should not see the lenz. It ultimately failed and i opened a thread about it here but i still believe that idea can work with some changes.
So much work went into, 2 versions 2 years. First i made it all one big toroid coil with 1.4mm wire, about 32 cm diameter and 15 cm thick, made of plywood, it had a big hole in the center so looking from the front coil was about 10cm thick on the front side and magnets were 4cm x 2cm cylinder N52 neodymiums, VERY strong. There were two rotors on one shaft (aluminum 15mm thick), one on each side of the big toroid, each with 6 magnets. And what a disappointment when i built it and spun the magnets almost no voltage induced in the toroid.
Then i changed it, got new magnets, rectangular shaped (attached), 12 rotors 12 magnets each, also N to N, they were supposed to be N52 i think but turned out to be very weak, uncomparably weaker to mentioned cylinderical ones. I ordered plexiglass panels 2cm thick, designed everything, found company to CNC the holes for the magnets (their 3D model attached).
I got circa 15kg of 1mm wide copper wire and hand wound 12 coils, it took me few weeks to wind them!! All hand wound on hand-made coil winder which toward the later coils started to fall apart (screw loosened up) and so later ones turned out thicker than first ones. Each was circa 250 turns, i am not sure anymore exactly, i think resistance was circa 3 ohms. So this time it was not all one continuous toroid but 12 coils about 5cm from each other in the middle, parallel connection.
I made a nice flat plywood toroid core in two pieces, (2 C shapes) and stuck 12 coils on them, looked nice but again what a disappointment, induced voltage was again very low, had to abandon the idea.
Before these i had two big projects which also failed, first one Thomas Engel motor replica and an inertial device. Each of these also took at least year and a half, immense amount of work, money, dealing with turners, companies, delivery companies. But it's all a valuable learning experience.
WOW
REALITY in the DUMPSTER Zone - well worth avoiding!
More like a Giant Waste Pit. Just my learned opinion however;
but "enter at your own risk"...
I assume you were not already.. but. if you were invited to the Holcomb facility, would you like to go?
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 11, 2023, 06:00:48 PM
I assume you were not already.. but. if you were invited to the Holcomb facility, would you like to go?
LL
Hi Lottalead,
F.Y.I. - Ellen Holcomb; Co-Founder - Manager, Holcomb Scientific Research Ltd
hosted a 45 minute "Live Presentation" video for a group of interested parties
sometime around the 23rd of March 2018. It took place inside the Holcomb
Research Facility in Florida. The recorded presentation video is about 2.7GB MP4.
Ellen has a vimeo channel with some interesting videos however this presentation
video does not seem to be there. It's not found on the Facebook or Web pages either.
You can try and contact Ellen, through your investment manager if need be, and maybe
she can share the presentation video with you. It contains a wealth of good information
even though it's quite dated (2018). A good pre-visit introduction as well.
Also, Jimboot outlined a "first hand" account of Professor Timothy Vaughan's (EE)
in-situ visit to the HES lab and a customer site. Professor Vaughan has posted several
site visit videos as well.
There should be no problem visiting the HES facility however an appointment would
likely be needed (as well as maybe going through a minimal vetting process).
Regards,
SL
Were you among the interested parties?
Back in 2018 .. WoW!
Thanks for sharing. Yes I have made a connection with Ellen, and several others, resulting from my pursuit of truth and the desire to help others and be involved in whatever small way I can. The Astra-Holcomb joint venture is a good fit and this technology will soon be advanced , announcement will be made. Its about time... As you said, " the cat is already out of the bag"
It would be amazing if you were able to take the time to visit again and document it on video.
It would be beneficial for all.
LL
Heh, wouldn't it be funny if this image bistander posted shows the true difference with flux cutting? That motion, changing the alignment between the pole centers and the wire center caused a concentration of flux on one side of the wire? Maybe that in turn causes the flux that spirals around every voltage carrying wire to accelerate, or rotate faster, due to the shorter circumference on one side of the spiral loop and causes extra induction? Not to mention how it might affect the electric field.
Above my pay grade, but what if?
Quote from: Lottalead on June 11, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
Were you among the interested parties?
Back in 2018 .. WoW!
Thanks for sharing. Yes I have made a connection with Ellen, and several others, resulting from my pursuit of truth and the desire to help others and be involved in whatever small way I can. The Astra-Holcomb joint venture is a good fit and this technology will soon be advanced , announcement will be made. Its about time... As you said, " the cat is already out of the bag"
It would be amazing if you were able to take the time to visit again and document it on video.
It would be beneficial for all.
LL
Lottalead,
Glad to hear you have contacted Ellen - be patient, she's quite a busy person, as you can imagine,
and her top priority is far from entertaining a "forum lynch mob."
From my prospective these forums have not lived up to their potential - technically or otherwise - so
I've pulled far away from them.
"One can only bang ones head so long, until one realizes the only reason one does it is because it feels
so good when one stops!" :)
Except for the occassional "Bashing of a Troll or two" - which I do enjoy (as you have seen) - my forum
participation has become near non-existant.
Time is better spent on the development and educational course design aspects of excess energy, IMHO.
Re-hashing basic middle school physics, over and over, is far from productive - for me at least...
Enough "stuff" has already been provided over the last several years such that these ideas are well within
grasp by everyone who is willing to do a little serious scraping and learning.
Just waiting for Holcomb, and company, to make their next move!
Have a good one; and good luck with your lab visit - you'll likely find it quite interesting and exciting, at worst!
SL
SolarLab..as you are well aware .. inventors are reluctant to reveal their discoveries... It took a great deal of time for trust to be confirmed and accepted by the Holcomb team. I see an incredible opportunity here. It's been over six months since Astra and Holcomb joined to create A-HES. Astra has taken the lead in the development and manufacture of the tech.... and they have been silent.. I'm certain that they have been working diligently towards production..
An incredible , disruptive discovery..and yet so few know . There is no way that it can be suppressed.
Good Evening.
LL
Quote from: alan on June 11, 2023, 03:28:47 PM
With induction by transformer action or flux linking, nothing cuts the wires when the B field is completely confined in the core, it is the A(ether)-magnetic vector potential that is doing the work, changing this causes emf. So this is probably the same action in flux cutting that causes induction.
No, these are two different types of induction guidance. One is caused by the conditional contact of the conductor in the magnetic flux, when moving (moving speed - v, m / s) [
E = Bmlv].
If you place the conductor without movement and change the level of magnetic induction (density of field lines), then you will not get the level of EMF, which is determined by the formula of the EMF transformer (where the frequency of flux change is conventionally linear and measured in Hz): [
E = 4.44Фf] .
If the speed in the half-cycle of the pulse is non-linear, then the result of the EMF will be non-linear. Linear rate of change, triangular waveform only. The sinusoid is at the top, has a fall in the rate of change.
I was convinced of this practically in various experiments, various designs.
There, dumpster bot's latest tantrum, the irony of "giant waste pit",
after year and a half of wasting people's time with bs. Really ironic.
Bot who is incapable to answer even the simple sincere question what is
the supposed principle of operation of the H device (not linking to their website).
It's been a great fun to beat it and expose it for what it is. :)
Anyway, moving on with concrete useful info, leaving bs drama to shillbot time wasters.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 12, 2023, 01:39:44 AM
No, these are two different types of induction guidance. One is caused by the conditional contact of the conductor in the magnetic flux, when moving (moving speed - v, m / s) [E = Bmlv].
If you place the conductor without movement and change the level of magnetic induction (density of field lines), then you will not get the level of EMF, which is determined by the formula of the EMF transformer (where the frequency of flux change is conventionally linear and measured in Hz): [E = 4.44Фf] .
If the speed in the half-cycle of the pulse is non-linear, then the result of the EMF will be non-linear. Linear rate of change, triangular waveform only. The sinusoid is at the top, has a fall in the rate of change.
I was convinced of this practically in various experiments, various designs.
Flux cutting works by contact of the conductor with flux, but the A vector potential is doing the work of induction, it should be possible to decouple flux from A-mvp and cancel flux while allowing A-mvp doing induction. I guess this is where Nix is hinting at (hooper experiment etc).
E = 4.44Фf is the rms voltage of sinusoidal induction.
I made a simple animation of Hooper-Monstein experiment to show what should be clear to everyone since i explained it clearly many times already. It is very simple, there is really nothing hard to understand if one just looks at it.
Animation shows a voyage of two lines of flux from the two approaching magnets.
You can see the coil in the middle represented by a dot with x (electron coming into the screen)
and dot (out of the screen).
To take everything into account i have made the wire flux expel the magnet flux, wire maybe does not significantly expel the magnet flux in reality or maybe it does - for fact is if we drop a neodymium magnet on a copper bar, even if we smash it against it magnet will STOP centimeter or two away from the copper bar and then slowly come down. If induced field was not as strong as the kinetic incoming energy, obviously magnet would not stop, equal and opposite.
So for the sake of the argument, let's say wire expels the magnet flux fully. Nothing changes Hooper-Monstein-wise.
Gif shows clearly what happens. Flux lines meet in the wire which induces voltage in normal manner and then they merge and form a line of flux which passes through the coil again inducing voltage in normal manner.
As shown, flux of the wire is spinning clockwise, thus repelling incoming flux on both sides and counteracting the increase of flux through the loop to the left.
https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif
Hooper-Monstein looks interesting. So it creates no back torque in the center circuit?
Floyd Sweet mentioned Hooper and Figuera, his setup resembles the experimental setup.
B field cancel, E fields add, by means of A-mvp or else it makes not much sense in that cancelled B induces no E.
Of course it creates back torque in the center circuit, in most normal manner.
Like i said there is nothing unconventional about Hooper-Monstein.
It is the most ordinary induction by wire cutting and flux linking.
As i said x times already, the very fact coil "sees" or "feels" the change of flux
through it is what indicates clearly induction is mediated by the A field.
As i said all induction formulas are saying the same thing in slightly different way
V=-N*dΦ/dt
V = BLv
E = 4.44 * number of turns * frequency * flux in the core
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.
And as said image bistander posted is the same image i have been posting (screenshot from the canadian documentary), it shows motor effect (laplace)
As for bucking principle, obviously two canceled B fields should
not and usually do not induce any E field. But....and there is always
a but, there are special situations.
Yes it has to, current always makes flux that works against the primary flux, but is the back torque felt by the moving magnets?
I don't pay attention to all posts so you'll repeat yourself. But now i'm interested.
Yes, obviously, magnets feel the drag as induced field is repelling them both.
Quote from: alan on June 12, 2023, 07:03:14 AM
Yes it has to, current always makes flux that works against the primary flux, but is the back torque felt by the moving magnets?
I don't pay attention to all posts so you'll repeat yourself. But now i'm interested.
;) In the FEMM program (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5nBmOnb1iYdxPiaXiv1IZLuhq4xceOHooYhn2GQOY5-HEv1uz3y7FhByrrilAedb4Somgkdq7oAP6lG3qiIZ4F1UqwilCXhLMqTODELx-vyL9DPfsQhmEK-tJs0AOIbry5-9k5O8aHON2qeCwKXzN16BdOjbm6C2r3SEVCQDY7unI6rPOCxt15snM/s1465/2023-06-12_143305.jpg), everything is elementarily checked
The section of the magnet is 10x10mm. No52
The conductor does not cross the magnetic lines, the magnitude of the magnetic intensity around the conductor is negligible, from the magnetic flux in a circle, when the magnetic poles of the approaching magnets close.
There is one point in physics that can explain this.
Find the name of the closed magnetic flux in Ed's guardian.
So we're all in agreement now :D
Interesting graphs.
V=-N*dΦ/dt
V = BLv
The first one isn't really correct physically, but correct system-wise and design-wise. Φ implies a fixed length of the wire, Φ=B*A, and assumes A vector potential induction because it allows for zero flux-cutting.
V = BLv = BLdx/dt = d/dt(BLx) = xLdB/dt + BxdL/dt + BLdx/dt ; xLdB/dt = AdB/dt = dΦ/dt ; BxdL/dt & Bldx/dt = Bxv, BLv.
Lorentz force law requires no closed circuit, Area determines length of the charge carrier for qVxB, Area is a design tool for transformers and inductors.
In Hooper-Monstein magnets never come as close as raka shows in his 'simulation'.
They approach to a distance little over two times the diameter of one magnet.
IF experiment was done differently so that moment he shows where all flux has already
merged and wire sees no flux was the starting point. And if moving the magnets closer
in such configuration induced large voltage or any voltage for that matter then that
would show induction that "should not" happen. But Hooper-Monstein is NOT such
configuration and such will not induce any voltage.
At that point in the central area between them side flux is denser than it was at a distance.
All those 0.37T before they merged as he shows had to clash in the wire. Where
else would they clash, wire is always their point of first contact.
Conductor DOES cross the magnetic lines as clearly shown in the gif i made.
And also as clearly shown and as i explained all fluxlines that merge pass
through the coil. It's a COIL, not a straight piece of wire. So what he shows
in the 'simulation', all those 0.37T are passing through the coil and of course
that large increase of flux induces voltage just like wire cutting does.
https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif
Quote from: alan on June 12, 2023, 08:25:59 AM
V=-N*dΦ/dt
For a wire in a groove, the EMF transformer formula is used:
E = 4.44Φf,
where coefficient 4.44 = 2π/√2 Where do you see the minus sign in this formula, as well as Е = BLv
There is no A field in these formulas, altho A field is obviously always present.
V=-N*dΦ/dt is correct 'physically'. There is no length of the wire in that formula, but number of turns. It is the most basic Farady's law of induction.
As i said all induction formulas are saying the same thing in slightly different way
V=-N*dΦ/dt
V = BLv
E = 4.44 * number of turns * frequency * flux in the core
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.
That is what really matters.
And in the synchronous generator and any generator except homopolar both flux cutting and linking happens.
Quote from: nix85 on June 12, 2023, 08:35:30 AM
https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm
Even if there is one magnet, the magnetic lines crossing the conductor will have a magnetic induction value B, which is negligible, in order to fulfill the condition for inducing the EMF by the contact method. Isn't the previous calculation enough:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578763/#msg578763
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 12, 2023, 08:47:34 AM
http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/hopmnanm.gif
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm
Even if there is one magnet, the magnetic lines crossing the conductor will have a magnetic induction value B, which is negligible, in order to fulfill the condition for inducing the EMF by the contact method. Isn't the previous calculation enough:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578763/#msg578763
It's not enough cause you did not take into account it's a coil.
Of course side flux is much weaker than the pole flux for pole flux is maximally concentrated while side flux is spread all around.
Like i said, it's a COIL, not a straight piece of wire. I have been saying that and drawing that for days and now have animated it and you still miss this obvious fact.
All that flux is passing through the coil. End of story.
IF experiment was done differently so that moment when all flux has already merged and wire sees no flux was the starting point. And if moving the magnets closer in such configuration induced large voltage or any voltage for that matter then that would show induction that "should not" happen. But Hooper-Monstein is NOT such configuration and such configuration will not induce any voltage because there is no change of flux in it.
Take my drawing (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5nBmOnb1iYdxPiaXiv1IZLuhq4xceOHooYhn2GQOY5-HEv1uz3y7FhByrrilAedb4Somgkdq7oAP6lG3qiIZ4F1UqwilCXhLMqTODELx-vyL9DPfsQhmEK-tJs0AOIbry5-9k5O8aHON2qeCwKXzN16BdOjbm6C2r3SEVCQDY7unI6rPOCxt15snM/s1465/2023-06-12_143305.jpg):
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578853/#msg578853
Bm=0.37T
S = 0.01m*0.01m = 0.02m2
Ф= 0.37*0.02= 0.0074 Weber
f = 1 Hz
E = 4.44 Фf = 4.44*0.0074*1 = 0,032856V (0.032856 volts = 32.856 millivolts)
And since it was correctly noted that the magnets do not approach each other very close, the resulting value of the magnetic induction in the air gap between the poles will be less, the EMF indicator will be less. And since we have two gaps, the resulting magnetic induction must also be halved.
I took the frequency conditionally equal to 1 Hz, there is a technique for how to approximately calculate the linear speed to the frequency. This is what I did, and that's what confused me earlier. Я был уверен что магнитные линии должны пересечь проводник. В итоге я разобрался.
PS.
All good discoveries. My system of impulse-return action did not turn out to be OverUnity. The battery just drains very slowly, this is a good way to desulfate.
Basically, this is my old circuit, I just changed the switching and winding system according to how the switching should take place.
You need to use the magnetic flux already ready. I decided to focus on the MEG system, in any case, the permanent magnet already has a magnetic strength that needs to be used.
Who wants to engage in the repetition of Holcomb, I gave my recommendations. Just keep in mind that you need to start with a full load of the phase and keep this load. If not, then there comes a moment when the excitation exceeds the generation. At certain moments, the generation may collapse altogether.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578767/#msg578767
That is not your main mistake. Your main mistake is totally neglecting the key fact that we are talking about a coil, not a straight, open piece of wire, and that all that flux 0.37T (i don't know where you got that value, i don't see it on JNaudin page or in Monstein's paper) or whatever the value passes through it and induces voltage in normal manner.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 11, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
Lottalead,
Glad to hear you have contacted Ellen - be patient, she's quite a busy person, as you can imagine,
and her top priority is far from entertaining a "forum lynch mob."
From my prospective these forums have not lived up to their potential - technically or otherwise - so
I've pulled far away from them.
"One can only bang ones head so long, until one realizes the only reason one does it is because it feels
so good when one stops!" :)
Except for the occassional "Bashing of a Troll or two" - which I do enjoy (as you have seen) - my forum
participation has become near non-existant.
Time is better spent on the development and educational course design aspects of excess energy, IMHO.
Re-hashing basic middle school physics, over and over, is far from productive - for me at least...
Enough "stuff" has already been provided over the last several years such that these ideas are well within
grasp by everyone who is willing to do a little serious scraping and learning.
Just waiting for Holcomb, and company, to make their next move!
Have a good one; and good luck with your lab visit - you'll likely find it quite interesting and exciting, at worst!
SL
Hi SL,
I for one am sad to hear you're stepping back. I have found your posts to be helpful, informative and thought-provoking - just what this forum needs.
The forum would, in my opinion, be much more effective with a culling of emotional and/or schoolyard bullying commentary and just focusing on a level-handed discussion of the topic at hand. Yes there are always disagreements - this is expected in a field pushing the frontiers of knowledge - but I don't remember the great pioneers of science using insults, sarcasm or mimicry to get their point across. It's like someone said - "don't get into an argument with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".
Thanks for your efforts here.
All the best,
D
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Quote from: rakarskiy on June 12, 2023, 08:40:12 AM
For a wire in a groove, the EMF transformer formula is used:
E = 4.44Φf, where coefficient 4.44 = 2π/√2
Where do you see the minus sign in this formula, as well as Е = BLv
2pi*f = freq in radians/s, 1/√2 = rms:
if Φ=xsin(wt), then E=dΦ/dt=wxcos(wt); w=2pi*f. rms of E = wx*√1/2 = 2pi*f*x/√2
Minus is Lenz law convention, but should be explained physically.
"Time is better spent on the development and educational course design aspects of excess energy, IMHO."Agree :) a working educational model is needed.
There, another pest is talking about itself, i would not be surprised if it's the bot itself replying to itself from fake account.
Whoever or whatever it is... with "emotional and/or schoolyard bullying commentary", "insults, sarcasm or mimicry" and ""don't get into an argument with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" he, or rather, it, has perefecty described itself.
Quote from: nix85 on June 12, 2023, 08:46:39 AM
There is no A field in these formulas, altho A field is obviously always present.
V=-N*dΦ/dt is correct 'physically'. There is no length of the wire in that formula, but number of turns. It is the most basic Farady's law of induction.
As i said all induction formulas are saying the same thing in slightly different way
V=-N*dΦ/dt
V = BLv
E = 4.44 * number of turns * frequency * flux in the core
Greater the rate of change of flux greater the voltage.
That is what really matters.
And in the synchronous generator and any generator except homopolar both flux cutting and linking happens.
Force of A that moves the charges is time derivative of momentum, and momentum is loop integral of A, and A int is surface integral of B.
A current always creates a field, but a field only creates a current when it changes, but a stationary field always creates magnetic momentum in the wire, aka electrotonic state.
Quote from: alan on June 12, 2023, 09:30:42 AM
2pi*f = freq in radians/s, 1/√2 = rms:
if Φ=xsin(wt), then E=dΦ/dt=wxcos(wt); w=2pi*f. rms of E = wx*√1/2 = 2pi*f*x/√2
Minus is Lenz law convention, but should be explained physically.
"Time is better spent on the development and educational course design aspects of excess energy, IMHO."Agree :) a working educational model is needed.
You yourself answered compare radians and m/s.
How to calculate rad/sec in hertz 1 Hz = 2π rad/s = 6.2831853 rad/s or 1 rad/s = 1/2π Hz = 0.1591549 Hz
Hertz formula in rad/s Angular frequency or angular velocity ω in radians per second (rad/s) is equal to 2π times the frequency f in hertz (Hz): ω (rad/s) = 2π × f (Hz)
Put them in their places. It was my mistake to consider them the same earlier, in addition, I easily translated one into another and calculated the same EMF value for the structures, but in practice it is not.
The minus does not need to be explained, this is the effect on the destruction of electrical potentials by the occurrence of magnetic induction in the conductor. (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
For generation, this is the reverse process. To calculate the EMF, an extra labyrinth in understanding. But if you know the 3D physics of this process, everything falls into place, starting with Faraday's mistake. He opened the first one and couldn't explain.
Good discoveries!
Quote from: alan on June 12, 2023, 09:48:00 AM
Force of A that moves the charges is time derivative of momentum, and momentum is loop integral of A, and A is surface integral of B.
A current always creates a field, but a field only creates a current when it changes, but a stationary field always creates magnetic momentum in the wire, aka electrotonic state.
When you say A field is time derivative of momentum, it sounds to me like the following sentence from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_vector_potential
"In the SI system, the units of A are V·s·m−1 and are the same as that of momentum per unit charge, or force per unit current. In minimal coupling, qA is called the potential momentum, and is part of the canonical momentum."
So altho equalizing A field units with units for charge momentum is good, still, such conventional definitions are misleading and incomplete. If you don't get a good, intuitive and practical, mechanical sense of what is happening, that is mathematical jerking off and has no real value.
ALL MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF UNIVERSAL CURRENTS.
You say A is surface integral of B, according to conventional view B is the curl of A.
And now for the key point, something i shared many times already and user tao has shared in 2007.
https://overunity.com/2814/marcos-dancing-magnets-doing-the-7-8hz-dance/msg41408/#msg41408
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Andersen_AETHER_CONTROL_via_an_understanding_of_ORTHOGONAL_FIELDS.pdf
So, i would rather say A is (toroid) VOLUME integral of the B field, or in other words, what we see as B lines of flux are central axis of the A field etheric toroid.
Now as for your
"A current always creates a field, but a field only creates a current when it changes, but a stationary field always creates magnetic momentum in the wire, aka electrotonic state."
To first clear up when it comes to what creates what, let's make some key things absolutely clear.
As i have said many times, ALL forces and "matter" we perceive are disturbance / slowed down manifestations of higher order universal currents that flow eternally in every point of time-space. It is the omnidirectional pressure, virtual if you like, that can get locally resisted and polarized to create whirls and secondary energy effects of various orders, namely, as i also wrote many times before, great river of One Force cascades down in the following manner...
Magnetism (gravity being a form of magnetism) > electricity > electromagnetic waves (herzian light and heat) > sound > "matter" (slowest, condensed form of One Force).
This cascading fall of One Force is one of great secrets of occult science.
Phylos spoke of it
"For down from His heights, marking the descent by forcefalls as a river marks declivities fin its bed by cataracts, comes this supreme power; comes far, oh! very far, adown its course to the cascades of magnetism, electricity, light, heat, sound, motion and far off where the bed of this Divine stream becomes nearly level, exhibits those little ripples of material differentiation which thou termest chemical elements, insisting on there being sixty−three, when there is but One."Keely spoke of it and Edgar Hollingshead, (re)discoverer of Odic ray, spoke of it, and his son summarized his great work very clearly and perfectly in this paper in which he confirms the work of Keely and others. Key point being
"It is commonly believed that the force known as magnetic energy is produced out of electricity, but it is unreasonable to believe that we can produce a higher rate of force out of a lower one. We know we can "house in", insulate or confine electricity, but we also know that magnetic energy cannot be insulated or confined, proving therefore, that magnetic energy is a faster or superior force to that of electricity. If we cause electricity to flow through a coil of wire, we resist the flow or retard its action, and reason tells us that we cannot retard the action of the force and at the same time transform it into a higher force of different character.
Therefore, by causing electricity to flow through a coil of wire a vortex of energy is set up which resists the flow of gravitation and transforms gravitation into magnetic energy."https://www.svpwiki.com/HARNESSING-THE-FORCE-OF-GRAVITY
So, one needs to be careful when making claims as to what causes what, cascading order of One Force is well known to advanced students and it is as noted above.
Also to remind of this great quote from Etidorhpa.
"If a series of knife blades on pivot ends be set in a frame, and turned edgewise to a rapid current of water, the swiftly moving stream flows through this sieve of metallic edges about as easily as if there were no obstructions. Slowly turn the blades so as to present their oblique sides to the current, and an immediate pressure is apparent upon the frame that holds them; turn the blades so as to shut up the space, and they will be torn from their sockets, or the entire frame will be shattered into pieces. The ethereal current that generates the magnetic force passes through material bodies with inconceivable rapidity, and the molecules of a few substances only, present to it the least obstruction. Material molecules are edgewise in it, and meet no retardation in the subtle flood. This force is a disturbance of space energy that is rushing into the earth in one form, and out of it in another."With all that said, as to your statement
"A current always creates a field, but a field only creates a current when it changes, but a stationary field always creates magnetic momentum in the wire, aka electrotonic state."
To speak precisely, current does not really create a field, current resists the etheric field which is already there (which is itself a slowed down version of yet higher field and so on in russian doll like manner), and result is the toroid A field and its axis which is B field flux lines.
In reverse manner changing A field induces potential difference in the wire and if loop is closed current flows and "generates" its own A and B fields. It does not generate anything, it just polarizes what is already there.
Also, when you say stationary field. Nothing is really stationary, all is in motion, all IS motion. Gravity is matter in motion, magnetic field is matter in motion, electric field is matter in motion....ALL fields are subtle matter in motion, eternally circulating, which is in fact a small-scale trapping of the earth's etheric field, again we see this cascading effect from higher toward the lower, all is made on this principle, one river of light falling from Godhead, from highest to the lowest plane closing the circuit.
So what is really moving in the magnetic field. Contactee Zirbes, whom i absolutely believe says our brothers from Alcyone (Pleiades) told him it is "bubbles of nothing" which are carriers of gravity.
BTW he confirmed the FALLING BODIES THEORY they gave him in the abandoned mine in the 1960s. Here is more about his theory
https://overunity.com/19090/just-another-don-smith-thread/msg567088/#msg567088
And his book which is highly recommended to read
https://www.mediafire.com/file/wy6y9h9uop3ff79/zirbes.pdf/file
Leedskalnin also described small bubbles flowing through the magnet in both directions.
Joe Newman also figured correctly that these tiny bubbles may be seen as tiny gyroscopes.
Etc.
So whatever it is, it is matter in motion. And matter in its finer forms has no polarity, it is neutral and ultimately is nothing but standing waves, for all is vibration of Spirit. So nothing really exists but Spirit.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/
And just like electron plowing through ether creates toroid etheric bubbles A field whose axis are the B field flux lines, so the permanent magnet which is like a resistor for the Earth's Vortexya (etheric field) creates its own A and B field.
And to get back to your last sentence, so, i would conclude it bit differently. "Stationary field" is really a field of matter in very fast motion, both A and B fields which are really two sides of one coin.
If you look at fig1 below, and how "smoke-ring of ether" aka A field aka Magnetic Vector Potential forms around the moving electron, if wire is placed inside this "smoke-ring of ether" electric charge is affected by it, it acquires electrical potential energy, in fact, NOT JUST POTENTIAL as Aharonov–Bohm effect PROVES (diagram below), for electrons are affected by the A field where B and E fields are 0. Well, we don't really need Aharonov–Bohm effect to show us that, as i said before, the mere fact coil "feels" change of flux within it proves it.
In my opinion there is more worth in this one diagram of "smoke-ring of ether" by Rick Andersen from 1998. than all mainstream books and theories. Ultimate model will be proved (already is but not officially) mechanical and exactly or very very closely along these lines of "smoke-rings of ether".
Stan Deyo also speaks of etheric smoke rings and standing wave nature of matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozZy6W4ACJQ
Resistance is the key keyword, the keyword of keywords, for it is by resistance that One Force aka directly undetectable universal currents CASCADES down into gravitomagnetism and further down into lower forces and ultimately 'matter' which is frozen light.
Universal currents may be described by scalarwaves as predicted by Maxwell's eqns in quaternion form.
I have my doubts about esotericism and occultism, if it can't be illuminated scientifically or logically and usable, the occult better remain occult. nofi
I tried to explain it in integral form (int A over l = int B over s), image shows it in differential form.
Heaviside has a chapter in Electromagnetic theory titled "On the nature of Anti-Mathematicians and of Mathematical Methods of Enquiry".
QuoteThere are men of a certain type of mind who are never wearied with gibing at mathematics, at mathematicians, and at mathematical methods of inquiry. It goes almost without say ing that these men have themselves little mathematical bent. I believe this to be a general fact ; but, as a fact, it does not explain very well their attitude towards mathematicians. The reason seems to lie deeper. How does it come about, for in stance, that whilst they are themselves so transparently ignorant of the real nature, meaning, and effects of mathematical investi gation, they yet lay down the law in the most confident and self-satisfied manner,, telling the mathematician what the nature of his work is (or rather is not), and of its erroneousness and inutility, and so forth 1 It is quite as if they knew all about it. It reminds one of the professional paradoxers, the men who want to make you believe that the ratio of the circumference to 'the diameter of a circle is 3, or 3-125, or some other nice easy number (any but the right one) ; or that the earth is flat, or that the sun is a lump of ice ; or that the distance of the moon is exactly 6 miles 500 yards, or that the speed of the current varies as the square of the length of the line. They, too, write as if they knew all about it ! Plainly, then, the anti-matliematician must belong to the same class as the paradoxer, whose characteristic is to be wise in his ignorance, whereas the really wise man is ignorant in his wisdom. But this matter may be left for students of mind to settle. AVhat is of greater importance is that the anti-mathematicians some times do a deal of mischief. For there are many of a neutral frame of mind, little acquainted themselves with mathematical methods, who are sufficiently impressible to be easily taken in by the gibers aud to be prejudiced thereby ; and, should they possess some mathematical bent, they may be hindere
8 ELECTEOMAGNBTIC THEORY CH. I. by their prejudice from giving it fair development. We cannot aU be Newtons or Laplaces, but that there is an immense amount of moderate mathematical talent lying latent in the average man I regard as a fact ; and even the moderate development implied in a working knowledge of simple alge braical equations can, with common-sense to assist, be not only the means of valuable mental discipline, but even be of commercial importance (which goes a long way with some people), should one's occupation be a branch of engineering for example. § 9. " Mathematics is gibberish." Little need be said about this statement. It is only worthy of the utterly illiterate. " What is the use of it ? It is all waste of time. Better be doing something useful. Why, you might be inventing a new dynamo in the time you waste over all that stuff." Now, similar remarks to these I haveoften heard from fairly intelli gent and educated people. They don't see the use of it, that is plain. That is nothing ; what is to the point is that they con clude that it is of no use. For it may be easily observed that the parrot-cry " What's the use of it ?" does not emanate in a humble spirit of inquiry, but on the contrary, quite the reverse. You can see the nose turn up. But what is the use of it, then ! Well, it is quite certain that if a person has no mathematical talent whatever he had really better be doing something " useful," that is to say, something else than mathematics, (inventing a dynamo, for instance,) and not be wasting his time in (so to speak) trying to force a crop of wheat on the sands of the sea-shore. This is quite a personal question. Every mind should receive fair development (in good directions) for what it is capable of doing fairly well. People who do not cultivate their minds have no conception of what they lose. They become mere eating and drinking and money-grabbing machines. And yet they seem happy ! There is some merciful dispensation at work, no doubt. " Mathematics is a mere machine. You can't get anything out of it that you don't put in first. You put it in, and then just grind it out again. You can't discover anything by mathematics, or invent anything. You can't get more than a pint out of a pint pot." And so forth
They can be and that is exactly what many of us have been doing in 'alternative community'.
I have been saying universal currents are scalarwaves aka longitudinal em waves here for years. Last time recently on Kapanadze thread
"Chernetsky, he is one of many who rediscovered longitudinal em waves which are real, which Maxwell predicted but were later removed presumably by Heaviside."
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg577978/#msg577978
I have also many times shared Dr. Nelson's kirlian photograph of orgone pyramid with tesla coil in it and copper pyramid on top clearly generating different kind of energy, these are not circularly polarized em waves, tesla coil does not produce circularly polarized em waves, there are two methods to produce them, two orthogonal dipoles 90° out of phase or helical antenna in axial mode, meaning that circumference of the coil must be equal to wavelength, since coil in the photo is small, circumference might be like 10-15cm, so that would be ~2ghz region, no tesla coil resonates at 2ghz, it could theoretically, but they never do and this one surely does not. Now that i have COMPLETELY removed the possibility we are seeing circularly polarized em waves which are invisible in the first place anyway, question is what are we seeing. I believe it is what many believe photo of scalar (which is of course a misnomer for longitudinal em waves have direction, not only amplitude) aka longitudinal em waves. It is this other higher spectrum i have been talking about for so so long here, to which belong all higher phenomena, gravity and antigravity, vitality and lifeforce, thoughts and emotions (which are actually also thoughts)....all these things
Nikola Tesla's Aether Science - Gerry Vassilatos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xCioBFZ5h4)
Highly recommend Gerry's books Lost Science and Cold War Tech, both available as free pdfs.
As i said countless times around here, this other spectrum is accessed by scalar interferometry and disruptive discharges, nothing new about any of this, it's been known forever.
Formulas are fine but for most they are a dead end for they become slaves of formulas. Conceptual understanding is FAR above formulas. Intelligence rules. I repeat, intelligence rules.
Yesterday i was revisiting this and comparing Dr Nelson's photo and DNA strand, it has always stricken me as it did others how similar they look. Only difference is that in Dr Nelson's photo waves are 180° out of phase while in DNA strand they are 90° out of phase, that is how it seems to me.
As for the scalar waveform. According to Zirbes, as i said in last post (and i HIGHLY recommend everyone to read his book (https://www.mediafire.com/file/wy6y9h9uop3ff79/zirbes.pdf/file)), gravity waves are coming from the Sun to Earth in form of etheric bubbles, he calls "bubbles of nothing", but i don't think they are nothing on this level of reality for they are surely composed of yet smaller bubbles.
In contactee case of Richard T. Miller who is also a great source of info
http://innersites.com/issa/
one of ETs mentioned that the rays they use are like a doughnut within a doughnut, something like that.
And when we relate that to previously spoken of etheric smoke-rings it should become clear there is much to this.
It is possible and likely these higher forms of energy can take various forms, not necessarily just one like ordinary hertzian waves do.
So i have proposed 3 possible forms, like two twisted spirals as shown in the Dr Nelson's photo, bubbles as told to Zirbes and toroid rings within toroid rings as told to Miller. Etc.
Your views on "occultism" are wrong and unfortunate. It can be and it IS illuminated scientifically and logically and usable.
It's just that you did not get it. All these things i shared here in last how many pages and on Kapanadze thread and other threads over the years. May those with eyes to see see.
It's your loss that you put such limitations on yourself, INFINITE knowledge has been given to us. One needs to balance laser like precision and great flexibility when it comes to understanding things deeply. Ultimate truth is that all this is a collective lucid dream, there are really no strict rules, it's infinitely plastic, thought (vibration)-based reality.
Back on track with the Holcomb Generator
To get back on track with the "Holcomb Excess Generator Development" try this link:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509
It includes some good animated gifs and information - these can not be reproduced here
unfortunately, plus reproducing them here would not add to the technical development.
Regards,
SL
lingen
Hi Feb,
Please explain photo.
I am unable to open that file.
Thanks.
bi
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Hi Feb,
Thanks, I think. So 1.15W input, damped oscillation of a few volts out. And that is on a LinGen reproduction of SL's design? Is that all it can do?
bi
Can't jump to any conclusions yet just started testing, it's not behaving like a transformer.
Eight output coils 4N 4S concentrated windings in series.
Distributed windings coming later and need to increase speed (it's ferrite core) just taking it slow in the beginning.
Quote from: Feb2006 on June 14, 2023, 01:34:06 PM
Can't jump to any conclusions yet just started testing, it's not behaving like a transformer.
Eight output coils 4N 4S concentrated windings in series.
Distributed windings coming later and need to increase speed (it's ferrite core) just taking it slow in the beginning.
I congratulate you! In any case, decided to check everything myself.
The generator and transformer have significant differences:
1. The current of the secondary winding of the transformer does not affect or amplify the magnetic field in the core. For the magnetic flux in the core of the transformer is always the primary source, i.e. primary winding. The transformer has an interturn mutual inductance. The greater the current in the primary winding, the more it will be transferred to the secondary, provided there is sufficient load in the secondary circuit.
2. The current of the generator phase enhances the magnetic flux in the magnetic circuit, while the magnetic force of attraction of the stator rotor increases, which causes mechanical braking of the synchronous electromagnetic machine. I am referring to electromagnetic machines in which the stator has grooves or coils on rods with pole pieces.
With an increase in the magnetic flux in the magnetic circuit of the generator, the field winding current should decrease.
The "Raselli1" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EuPGl8JjE&list=PLRYhzUMB2BkIcEigEw9WLmqhTplmt7tbZ) experiment demonstrates this, the generator pulse mode.
Quote from: bistander on June 14, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
Hi Feb,
Thanks, I think. So 1.15W input, damped oscillation of a few volts out. And that is on a LinGen reproduction of SL's design? Is that all it can do?
bi
Bistander,
Ask your self this question - Who do you think has a chance of developing this technology to a point of "main stream?"
Would it be "
Feb2006," "
Rakarskyi," "
Cadman," "
UFOpolitics," "
Holcomb" and I've probably left out quite a few others; or
would it be you ("bistander") or possibly "Nix85," or maybe "Westey," and I've probably left out a few others ?
You guys all know the answer -
say no more!
Evening everyone...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 15, 2023, 04:29:39 AM
and I've probably left out a few others ?
me >:(
We have two coils which is put on the ferromagnetic core .
In the first coil made current impulse.
how quickly magnetic flux will arrived from first coil to second coil ? ;)
Quote from: SolarLab on June 15, 2023, 04:29:39 AM
Ask your self this question - Who do you think has a chance of developing this technology to a point of "main stream?"
Would it be "Feb2006," "Rakarskyi," "Cadman," "UFOpolitics," "Holcomb" and I've probably left out quite a few others; or
would it be you ("bistander") or possibly "Nix85," or maybe "Westey," and I've probably left out a few others ?
You guys all know the answer - say no more!
Evening everyone...
SL
Me? LMAO. My goals are not so lofty. I just want something simple that can be cobbled together in the garage that will provide light and hopefully enough power to run the gas furnace.
Why isn't your name in the list? :)
Quote from: SolarLab on June 15, 2023, 04:29:39 AM
Bistander,
Ask your self this question - Who do you think has a chance of developing this technology to a point of "main stream?"
Would it be "Feb2006," "Rakarskyi," "Cadman," "UFOpolitics," "Holcomb" and I've probably left out quite a few others; or
would it be you ("bistander") or possibly "Nix85," or maybe "Westey," and I've probably left out a few others ?
You guys all know the answer - say no more!
Evening everyone...
SL
Hi SL,
you say "this technology".
What I see is technology of transformers and alternators, nothing more. Certainly this technology is mainstream.
Of those individuals mentioned, all have equal chances of developing or discovering excess or unexplained energy source and doing useful work with it.
That's what I think. Thanks for asking. Please show us your hardware progression and testing. Even though I think the equal chance mentioned is extremely low, it would be improved by sharing and open source efforts. Show us what you have.
We saw months ago, Holcomb working with LinGen type hardware. Has anyone seen or heard of its status?
Regards.
bi
Holcomb's pocket generator, in the version in which it is presented in the patent application, in my opinion cannot work as an overunity. I wrote about this before. Here are generators with a solid-state rotor, absolutely working and do not differ in topology from synchronous electromechanical machines.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578767/#msg578767
As for who has better chance of developing the technology to mainstream...
One who is focused on the core thing, induction itself, understands it deeply in all its forms, studies even the elusive subtler aspects of it, and tries to help everyone to understand it too (https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif), all the key principles (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578716/#msg578716), like parallel rlc resonance, diverting/delaying lenz etc, and openly shares his own work (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578834/#msg578834) very close to actual solutions, as well as mechanical (https://overunity.com/19384/mechanical-resonant-oscillation-as-basic-overunity-method/) approaches which are a goldmine for someone who just wants overunity and does not want to bother with learning solid state, all with 100% transparency, never witholding knowledge, never muddying the waters.
Or one who chooses secrecy over transparency, never shows anything concrete, prefers drama over sincerity, never talks about core principles like induction itself which is essential to always be studied and understood better to find the workarounds.
Well, may each decide for himself.
:) ;)
Who told you that you need Over Unity's secret technology?
You need to develop a technical project for the given parameters of the device, this is already engineering work, engineering creativity. Motley Physics will not help here, but only more confused with their unconfirmed concepts. It is necessary to use materials for design engineers who build electromechanical generators.
Take any synchronous electromechanical generator, in which the stator winding enters the groove, and disassemble its operation "by the bones".
Then you replace the mechanical rotor (with permanent magnets or electromagnets) with a solid-state rotor, where the rotation of the magnetic field (conditionally constant field, constant magnetic field flow) is organized by switching the electromagnets according to an algorithm that simulates the movement of the magnetic poles of a synchronous electromechanical generator. You take away the element of mechanical force, you overcome the magnetic attraction of the rotor/stator, you get what you are looking for.
My little explanation of what kind of animal is a static electromagnetic generator, which uses a solid-state rotor that simulates the rotation of a magnetic field in the system. (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/holcomb-system-free-energy.html)
QuoteImagine a traditional synchronous mechanical power generator (for example, installed on a car). From the course of electromechanics and electrodynamics, we are told that an electrical mechanical generator is a device that converts the mechanical energy of rotation into electrical energy. I strongly disagree with this statement. First, the Lawrence force can be explained with a stretch, only for an open conductor moving in a magnetic field, or vice versa. In a car alternator, the wire enters the groove of the magnetic circuit. The movement of the field in the magnetic circuit is explained by the change in the magnetic saturation of the core during the rotation of the poles of the magnetic flux in the body of the core. Designers and physicists explain this EMF in such a generator by the appearance of a vortex electric field around the conductor (EMF), when the magnetic field parameter changes with time. In the case of fixed conductors, the induction EMF is a consequence of the action on free charges of the vortex electric field that occurs when the magnetic field changes. The concept of a vortex electric field was introduced into physics by the great English physicist J. Maxwell in 1861.
Now imagine the design of a generator, a slotted stator, in which the winding of a three-phase generator for a twelve-pole magnetic rotor (six pairs of poles) is laid. The rotor is an electromagnet, made on an axis, with two branched pole plates, which form six poles of one pole. These branches are bent towards the middle of the coil on the axis so that they form twelve (6X6) electromagnetic poles. When the axis rotates, a rotation of these poles relative to the stator is formed. The magnetic field at the poles of the rotor is a consequence of the operation of an electromagnet, which has its own consumed electrical power. The voltage of the on-board network is 12 Volts, the maximum excitation current is 5 Amperes. Maximum excitation power 12V * 5A = 72W. To create the peak value of the magnetic induction in the stator, an electromagnet excitation power of 72 W is required compared to the output maximum power of the electric generator of 1.5 kW. The question arises where such a result comes from. You can see the answer in the physics textbook MAGNETIZATION OF STEEL. The rotation of the rotor on the shaft from an external mechanical driving force provides a "rotation" of the field or, as far as the stator core is concerned, a synchronous change in the magnetic field (magnetic induction) at a certain point. The reason for the braking of the generator shaft is the magnetic blocking of the electromagnetic attraction of the two electromagnets of the rotor and stator. When a phase circuit is closed into an electrical circuit with a load, a current arises in the wires, which in turn forms the electromagnetic force of the "stator electromagnet". Overcoming the electromagnetic forces of attraction of the rotor / stator is carried out by the electromagnetic moment of the generator. This is the necessary mechanical energy, which is not converted, but forms a variable component of magnetic induction from the rotor electromagnet, rotating it in the generator stator. As you can see, we did not find any signs of the conversion of mechanical energy into electrical energy. Conventionally, it can be neglected for direct calculation of the conversion of the input electrical excitation power Pr into the output power of the generator phases Pg. Again, it is conditionally possible to determine the conversion efficiency:
Efficiency = Pg / Pr = 1.5 kW / 0.075 kW = 20.0 (2000%)
Mechanical rotation of the magnetic poles in the stator, and if you make a device where the movement of the field will be simulated by turning the electromagnets on and off according to a special algorithm. Suppose we increase the cost of excitation to 200 W (0.2 kW), in any case, the efficiency will be = Pg / Pr = 1.5 kW / 0.2 kW = 7.5 (750%).
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578767/#msg578767
PS
The "biggest secret" that is hidden and put in a prominent place is the secret of the synchronous generator. This is the secret of the real EMF of induction.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 16, 2023, 01:38:03 AM
Then you replace the mechanical rotor (with permanent magnets or electromagnets) with a solid-state rotor, where the rotation of the magnetic field (conditionally constant field, constant magnetic field flow) is organized by switching the electromagnets according to an algorithm that simulates the movement of the magnetic poles of a synchronous electromechanical generator. You take away the element of mechanical force, you overcome the magnetic attraction of the rotor/stator, you get what you are looking for.
The thing is, it's not the same thing.
At least I have not found confirmation that one can be easily replaced by another.
In my experiments.
Gentlemen,
Keep in mind "You have to be Good Stuards of your technology!"
Like the Medical "Hipocratic Oath" - worldwide.
Consider the implications of your "Technology Developments."
E.G. - Don't come up with something that has the possibility of "Burning
YOUR own, or any one elses, house down, or killing someone!"
Spend some time and do it RIGHT" ...
Losts of things to consider! (Ask the McDonalds "Hot Coffee" lady).
Just MHO. [see the "Caution" I posted]
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on June 16, 2023, 02:54:15 AM
The thing is, it's not the same thing.
At least I have not found confirmation that one can be easily replaced by another.
In my experiments.
I can assure you that the solid-state Holcomb rotor is similar in principle to the magnetic rotor of an electromechanical generator.
Making an electromagnetic device from scrap metal is like making a Tesla out of a bicycle.
Maybe Holcomb is fake after all, and just another investment fraud... Time will tell.
Quote from: alan on June 16, 2023, 07:45:59 AM
Maybe Holcomb is fake after all, and just another investment fraud... Time will tell.
A court did publish such a conclusion about Holcomb years ago. Could it be a repeat performance?
Quote... Other proof, but certainly not the only other proof, includes: (1) Dr. Holcomb's hasty attempt to transfer assets to Isle of Man entities, (2) his entangled web of business entities, (3) his instructions to Ms. Hubbard in paying and accounting for transactions, (4) his outright fraud in directing the involuntary bankruptcy filing, and (5) his continued deceptions to the Members of HHCS.
...
https://casetext.com/case/in-re-holcomb-health-care-services
:) ;)
Just look at that sleazy sentence
"Who told you that you need Over Unity's secret technology?"
;D When did i say you need "Over Unity's secret technology?" and who is "Over Unity" anyway. Your are writting nonsense as usual.
I don't need to develop technical project of Holcomb device for i am not trying to replicate his device, i got my own ideas (solid state and mechanical) to work on. It is you and your "colleagues" who are supposedly trying to replicate it that need to develop it and before all be 100% transparent and clear about everything about it. And so far all about it was secrecy, confusion, drama, 100% mess. That is NOT how you approach developing overunity.
"Motley physics" is not motley, all is part of the one and all those principles are essential Knowledge, but some parts are more relevant than others to particular problems. For example the mentioned key principle of induction, which you (and probably your colleagues neither) do not understand. How many days have you attacked me about Hooper-Monstein experiment (https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif) because of your not-understanding of induction, just to finally admit you were wrong (for induction happens normally there in TWO ways).
You also claim there is no flux-cutting in grooves of the stator of synchronous generator which is wrong, there is both flux linking and cutting.
Now, what to expect from someone who does not understand induction nor how flux behaves in SG, whether it is rotating mechanically or solid state. Rhetorical question.
Synchronous electromechanical generator is the first and simplest of all generators, magnet rotating near a coil is a synchronous electromechanical generator, every DC motor/generator is a synchronous electromechanical generator if not rectified. Cut a hole in a transformer core and spin a magnet inside it and there is your synchronous electromechanical generator, etc.
I have disassembled the operation of the synchronous generator "by the bones" and understood it in all its forms for a very long time, i suggest you to do the same. Whether rotor is brushed-DC excited (excited from outside or self-excited as ones Mecc Alte makes) or brushless using permanent magnets, whether salient pole rotor or non-salient pole rotor is used, whether stator windings are concentrated or distributed etc.
Start here, watch and learn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQayMrK4Fo) how smooth, uniform RMF is produced in many-slot stator of 3-phase induction motor for it is the exact same RMF used by Holcomb (https://youtu.be/Nm1VJ65LcXM?t=49).
"You take away the element of mechanical force, you overcome the magnetic attraction of the rotor/stator, you get what you are looking for."
No you do NOT overcome the magnetic attraction simply by eliminating the physical rotation. It makes not the least difference if there are physical magnets/electromagnets rotating or RMF is produced artificially, flux is still attracted to the steel, there is still normal cogging and lenz.
Now, unlike you (you and "colleagues") who muddies the waters and confuses the issue, i prefer to make things CRYSTAL CLEAR. And from now on that is going to be the house rule for this thread.
No more muddying the waters, clear, sincere posts or no posts.
It must be CLEARLY stated how EXACTLY is Holcomb supposedly reducing/diverting/bypassing/delaying lenz
He says in the patent he is using a shield, so first question that must be answered clearly is which type of shield (presumably mumetal or alike) and what, where and how much exactly is shielded. Shielding is a common overunity element, i already mentioned Alexander Mikhalych etc.
Also, question is what is the inner stator doing, in his video (https://youtu.be/Nm1VJ65LcXM?t=50) inner stator does not appear to be doing anything but in the diagrams i see 4 poles designated, so it is presumably generating the same RMF as the outer stator and middle stator which might be called a secondary in this case is being sandwiched between the two opposing fields. This makes sense since N to N is a common overunity scheme (Figuera..).
Further on, his animation is misleading, actual rotating flux is not animated.
In the patent he says.
"In the case of the generators of the present disclosure, the rotors do not rotate; instead, the flux from the magnetic poles, in one embodiment, rotates and in another embodiment, transgresses laterally across the stationary "rotor' armature. Additionally, in one design, the rotors are outside of the coil loop and, therefore, do not interact with the induced pole. This induced pole is induced by current flow and is not responsible for a current flow, as is evidenced by the fact that the generator reaches full voltage prior to current going to an electrical load."
Question is how, in animation rotating flux clearly penetrates the coils altho strangly in only partial way (animation is definitely not realistic), in any case, rotating flux must link with the coils and if it does that is an interaction. Now, there are various possible ways how lenz might be reduced but he does not reveal how he's doing it.
Also the last bolded part. God knows what is he really saying but to me it sounds like possible delayed lenz ala Heins - altho not likely since he uses very low frequency. He mentions MOSFET switching which is maybe only used to create a rotating magnetic field, but maybe he also uses switching to reduce lenz - shorting at the peak and interupting at high frequency ala Aviso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8), or uses switching ala InfinitySAV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpe6biJDm8o) (question remains if his death was an accident or not), combining geometry and timing to reduce lenz.
There is much unknown and to be cleared up here and this burden is on those who claim to "know" what exactly is H doing.
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It must be CLEARLY stated how EXACTLY is Holcomb supposedly reducing/diverting/bypassing/delaying lenz
Sincere question; where does Holcomb state that they are doing this? If I recall correctly it's only mentioned that lenz is not an issue as far as having to be overcome by external motive power because the rotor does not rotate. I'm Paraphrasing here.
He says it clearly in the patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2018134233A2/en?oq=wo2018134233). And he relates it to Faraday's homoplar generator.
"The back EMF or reverse torque of rotary generators in use today can best be described by reference to "Lenz's Law." It, in summary, states that when an EMF is generated by a change in magnetic flux according to Faraday's Law, the polarity of the induced EMF is such that it produces a current whose magnetic field opposes the magnetic flux which produces it. The induced magnetic field inside any loop of wire always acts to keep the magnetic flux in the loop constant. If the magnetic field B is increasing, the induced magnetic field acts in equal and opposite direction to it; if it is decreasing, the induced magnetic field acts in the direction of the applied field with equal force. In conventional generators, the rotor is stationed inside the coil loops of the stator and, thus, the rotor generates a current which in turn generates a magnetic field which is equal in force and opposite in polarity. Therefore, reverse torque is a product of the design.
In the case of the generators of the present disclosure, the rotors do not rotate; instead, the flux from the magnetic poles, in one embodiment, rotates and in another embodiment, transgresses laterally across the stationary "rotor' armature. Additionally, in one design, the rotors are outside of the coil loop and, therefore, do not interact with the induced pole. This induced pole is induced by current flow and is not responsible for a current flow, as is evidenced by the fact that the generator reaches full voltage prior to current going to an electrical load."
"Systems and methods for generation of direct current (DC) with reduced electromagnetic drag, commonly referred to as reverse torque, thereby improving the operating efficiency of a generator"
"Removal of reverse torque from generators associated with converting mechanical energy into electrical power can provide an opportunity for an electrically powered power generator for a multitude of sizes and applications. Removal of the reverse torque allows a generator to operate with 400-500% increase in efficiency. This permits the opportunity to drive the generator with a smaller electric driver and, therefore, greatly improve the generator' s efficiency as well as allow for miniaturizing of a generator."
BTW Chris from Aboveunity claims (https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/holcomb-energy-system/?order=all#comment-c358aeba-2ad0-4102-9a0e-aec70010c233) Holcomb is a copy of Father Antonio D'Angelo's generator (https://hyiq.org/Reference/Profile?Name=Father%20Antonio%20D%27Angelo)
Quote from: SolarLab on June 16, 2023, 04:00:38 AM
Gentlemen,
Keep in mind "You have to be Good Stuards of your technology!"
Like the Medical "Hipocratic Oath" - worldwide.
Consider the implications of your "Technology Developments."
E.G. - Don't come up with something that has the possibility of "Burning
YOUR own, or any one elses, house down, or killing someone!"
Spend some time and do it RIGHT" ...
Losts of things to consider! (Ask the McDonalds "Hot Coffee" lady).
Just MHO. [see the "Caution" I posted]
SL
Hi SL,
what is the supposed principle. How bout CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY.
How about a clear answer what is the exact supposed principle, what is the use of centralcoils, where is the shielding etc.
How is it defing Lentz law and getting this way overunity ??
Can you please answer this ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: nix85 on June 16, 2023, 12:21:49 PM
He says it clearly in the patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2018134233A2/en?oq=wo2018134233). And he relates it to Faraday's homoplar generator.
"The back EMF or reverse torque of rotary generators in use today can best be described by reference to "Lenz's Law." It, in summary, states that when an EMF is generated by a change in magnetic flux according to Faraday's Law, the polarity of the induced EMF is such that it produces a current whose magnetic field opposes the magnetic flux which produces it. The induced magnetic field inside any loop of wire always acts to keep the magnetic flux in the loop constant. If the magnetic field B is increasing, the induced magnetic field acts in equal and opposite direction to it; if it is decreasing, the induced magnetic field acts in the direction of the applied field with equal force. In conventional generators, the rotor is stationed inside the coil loops of the stator and, thus, the rotor generates a current which in turn generates a magnetic field which is equal in force and opposite in polarity. Therefore, reverse torque is a product of the design.
In the case of the generators of the present disclosure, the rotors do not rotate; instead, the flux from the magnetic poles, in one embodiment, rotates and in another embodiment, transgresses laterally across the stationary "rotor'Varmature. Additionally, in one design, the rotors are outside of the coil loop and, therefore, do not interact with the induced pole. This induced pole is induced by current flow and is not responsible for a current flow, as is evidenced by the fact that the generator reaches full voltage prior to current going to an electrical load."
"Systems and methods for generation of direct current (DC) with reduced electromagnetic drag, commonly referred to as reverse torque, thereby improving the operating efficiency of a generator"
"Removal of reverse torque from generators associated with converting mechanical energy into electrical power can provide an opportunity for an electrically powered power generator for a multitude of sizes and applications. Removal of the reverse torque allows a generator to operate with 400-500% increase in efficiency. This permits the opportunity to drive the generator with a smaller electric driver and, therefore, greatly improve the generator' s efficiency as well as allow for miniaturizing of a generator."
Thanks. That's what I said, or paraphrased. ... Removing the reverse torque from generators associated with converting mechanical energy into electrical... by driving the generator with a smaller electric driver... (instead of a motor)
That's not the same as reducing or removing the effects of lenz in the electrical or magnetic fields of the generator.
Quote from: Cadman on June 16, 2023, 12:48:03 PM
Thanks. That's what I said, or paraphrased. ... Removing the reverse torque from generators associated with converting mechanical energy into electrical... by driving the generator with a smaller electric driver... (instead of a motor)
That's not the same as reducing or removing the effects of lenz in the electrical or magnetic fields of the generator.
You're welcome. That IS the same as reducing the effects of lenz in the electrical or magnetic fields of the generator. Read, in the very first quoted sentence he clearly identifies reverse torque with lenz.
""The back EMF or reverse torque of rotary generators in use today can best be described by reference to "Lenz's Law.""
He says very clearly he is reducing lenz drag.
Ok, so we agree then. The method he uses is to remove the drive motor from the generating system thus rendering that particular lenz/reverse torque effect moot.
No we do not agree, it seems you are intentionally trying to confuse to issue. Removing the drive motor does nothing to lenz. Relative motion of the magnetic field and coils is the same as in mechanical generator. Lenz is still 100% present.
His "implication" that lenz is reduced cause there is no mechanical rotation is as ridiculous as his claim that electrical steel magnifies the magnetic field "4-5 times" when it is 4-5 thousand times, as well as the claim that iron atom is a source of energy (lol).
He does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely hints at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
Quote from: nix85 on June 16, 2023, 01:39:51 PM
No we do not agree, it seems you are intentionally trying to confuse to issue. Removing the drive motor does nothing to lenz. Relative motion of the magnetic field and coils is the same as in mechanical generator. Lenz is still 100% present.
His "implication" that lenz is reduced cause there is no mechanical rotation is as ridiculous as his claim that electrical steel magnifies the magnetic field "4-5 times" when it is 4-5 thousand times, as well as the claim that iron atom is a source of energy (lol).
He does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely hints at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
::) I knew you would disagree that we agree.
Everything you post can be looked at from the perspective of reducing the _effects_ of lenz. Of course lenz is still 100% present. To ignore the reduction of input power required for generation by removing the drive motor is just putting blinders on yourself.
How do _you_ know that the methods in your bold text do not assist in the reduction of lenz _effects_ in his generator? Can you demonstrate it? No.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 16, 2023, 04:59:45 AM
Making an electromagnetic device from scrap metal is like making a Tesla out of a bicycle.
Probably it is so. :)
Quote from: nix85 on June 16, 2023, 01:39:51 PM
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He[Holcomb] does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely hints at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
The quote is complete gibberish. Attempting to agree on the author's intent or find something meaningful is futile.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 16, 2023, 02:35:28 PM
The quote is complete gibberish. Attempting to agree on the author's intent or find something meaningful is futile.
bi
Take it for what it really is, a claim attempting to satisfy a patent examiner.
Quote from: Cadman on June 16, 2023, 02:18:10 PM
::) I knew you would disagree that we agree.
Everything you post can be looked at from the perspective of reducing the _effects_ of lenz. Of course lenz is still 100% present. To ignore the reduction of input power required for generation by removing the drive motor is just putting blinders on yourself.
How do _you_ know that the methods in your bold text does not assist in the reduction of lenz _effects_ in his generator? Can you demonstrate it? No.
::) I knew you would say that you knew i would disagree that we agree.
You keep playing sleazy word games, grabbing on my words in last post "he reduces lenz" as if i am claiming he is reducing lenz itself not the effect, altho i wrote clearly in post before "he is reducing lenz drag" aka "reverse (lenz) torque" as he says in the patent.
Obviously lenz is still 100% present, did i ever say or imply it is not, no i did not. Lenz is obviously always present, it is a natural reaction to change.
You first claimed reducing the reverse torque is not the same as reducing the effects of lenz altho Holcomb himself says it clearly. And now you play sleazy word games lenz vs lenz effect. You just keep desperately trying to confuse the issue.
To believe the reduction of input power required for generation is result of removing the drive motor is just putting blinders on yourself.
And your last sentence is just as ridiculous as your previous ones. You now claim that i claim his hinted at methods in bolded text do not assist in the reduction of lenz "effects" in his generator, altho i said the EXACT OPPOSITE.
i clearly wrote....He does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely hints at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a
geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
You are in vain desperately trying to confuse the issue, everything is perfectly clear, he says himself he is reducing the reverse lenz torque and this allows him to achieve 400-500% efficiency. Exactly how he does it he does not reveal, he only vaguely hints at it in bolded text i quoted.
Can you stop distracting with sleazly, useless, word-games. Can you demonstrate anything? No, you can't.
Quote from: bistander on June 16, 2023, 02:35:28 PM
The quote is complete gibberish. Attempting to agree on the author's intent or find something meaningful is futile.
bi
Not exactly gibberish, he just does not reveal exactly how. He is clearly saying that he uses special coil geometry and shielding. Not gibberish, just very very vague and practically useless.
nix85
Man, you are hopelessly, completely impervious to any viewpoint other than your own.
Go ahead, you can have the last word, respond with more insults. I won't.
@Cadman
There, when word games don't work, try to drag the conversation down to personal confrontation, instead of taking responsibility for once and being honest and sincere.
You are talking about yourself. YOU are hopelessly, completely impervious to any viewpoint other than your own indeed and even worse you are intentionally confusing the issue and playing sleazy games.
Now you accuse me of supposed "insults", WHERE. Show it. You can't cause there are none. All i said is you are playing useless word games and confusing the issue which you are. You also LIED few times already. And i don't think it's the language barrier for you seem to understand English quite well.
Go ahead, YOU can have the last word, respond with more insults. I won't.
This forum has really been infested with shills and they are slowly being revealed one by one.
My interesting post (the trolls are just freaking out) is a good sign!
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578953/#msg578953
I will periodically update the link to it until the trolls get tired of shitting here. This is one way to nullify the work of the troll.
Shills are freaking out and that is a good sign.
My summary of the Holcomb device
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578963/#msg578963
They will not give up so easily tho, they will keep spewing bs here and attacking.
But they know now their reign here is over.
My gibberish theory's dad can beat up your word soup design's dad.
Is there an adult on the plane?
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 16, 2023, 12:40:37 PM
Hi SL,
what is the supposed principle. How bout CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY.
How about a clear answer what is the exact supposed principle, what is the use of centralcoils, where is the shielding etc.
How is it defing Lentz law and getting this way overunity ??
Can you please answer this ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi hartiberlin,
I've tried very hard to explain the methods and techniques Holcomb uses, as I see it,
with CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY, to the best of my ability. As an aid I have used
modern CAE analytics, with included animated Gif's, to varify each segment of the
schemes found in one embodiment - the so called "LinGen" - of one of Holcomb's
patents.
Over a period of 15 or more years Holcomb has investigated a large number of various
differing configurations including, early on, a number of rotating "multi-rotor"
designs; and more recently, the concept of only moving the magnetic field with
no moving parts. Studying each patent in detail will provide some good background.
You seem to be looking for a simple explaination or technique but, unfortunately,
I can not simplify it more than I have done, and presented with the aid of CAE.
I'm not trying to be tricky or secretive, it appears complicated because it is;
until you sit down and carefully study the operation, in detail, using a numeric
Computer Aided Engineering, or similar, tool. Analytic methods are too difficult.
Trying to explain it in a few sentences, or paragraphs, is beyond my pay grade or
capability - it can be taught over a series of lectures (a couple of days) with many
teaching aids, and that's assuming the audience is skilled-in-the-art.
Dr. Holcomb has filed a variety of patents regarding his methods of moving or rotatating
the electromagnetic field using electronic means rather than physically rotating a rotor.
Each filing describes, in considerable detail, his general approaches. Understand that
there are various approaches he has employed. Although each patent filing explains
several embodiments, the general concept is the same; that being the rotation of the
magnetic "field" rather than rotation of a "metal rotor" via an external spinning driver.
Some used mu-metal with success; others used no moving parts at all with success.
To gain an appreciation of the evolution of the Holcomb developments, a good
start is to obtain, if possible, the video mentioned below in my reply:
Hi Lottalead,
F.Y.I. - Ellen Holcomb; Co-Founder - Manager, Holcomb Scientific Research Ltd
hosted a 45 minute "Live Presentation" video for a group of interested parties
sometime around the 23rd of March 2018. It took place inside the Holcomb
Research Facility in Florida. The recorded presentation video is about 2.7GB MP4.
Ellen has a vimeo channel with some interesting videos however this presentation
video does not seem to be there. It's not found on the Facebook or Web pages either.
You can try and contact Ellen, through your investment manager if need be, and maybe
she can share the presentation video with you. It contains a wealth of good information
even though it's quite dated (2018). A good pre-visit introduction as well.
Also, Jimboot outlined a "first hand" account of Professor Timothy Vaughan's (EE)
in-situ visit to the HES lab and a customer site. Professor Vaughan has posted several
site visit videos as well.
There should be no problem visiting the HES facility however an appointment would
likely be needed (as well as maybe going through a minimal vetting process).
Regards,
SL
Referring to post by SL. A presentation by Holcomb: The second attached slide reads:
QuoteTHE HISTORICAL INEFFICIENCY OF GENERATORS
Below is an example easily found on the internet.
QuoteThe rotary electrical generator is very efficient by comparison.The conversion efficiency of a large machine can be as high as 98% or 99%.
Source:
https://www.mpoweruk.com/energy_efficiency.htm
bi
The degree of complexity in explaining the technology - compare - explaining the operation
of an Internal combustion Engine (ICE), basic 4 cycles versus air/fuel mixture, injection,
compensation for altitude, type of fuels, timing, etc..
Piston and ring material composition, thermal expansion - the list goes on and on!
Quote from: bistander on June 16, 2023, 06:42:23 PM
Referring to post by SL. A presentation by Holcomb: The second attached slide reads:
Below is an example easily found on the internet.
Source:
https://www.mpoweruk.com/energy_efficiency.htm (https://www.mpoweruk.com/energy_efficiency.htm)
bi
Do you have access to the Presentation video mentioned above,
or know of a link where it can be found?
Trying to figure out how your quoted link relates to the material found
in the Presentation video!
Thanks in advance.
Regarding my post about the efficiency of generators, I was responding to a prominent graphic displaying a statement saying generators are inefficient, in the context of electric machinery. I simply wanted state a fact which may be unknown to the causal reader. I have encountered numerous members on forums who believe electric generator efficiency sucks. I attempt to correct that misconception when I can.
I do not recall seeing the presentation or slide show where that graphic originated nor am I aware of access to it. I have seen most all of Holcomb's stuff that is available for me. I have done quite a bit of internet searching on the subject.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 16, 2023, 08:21:11 PM
Regarding my post about the efficiency of generators, I was responding to a prominent graphic displaying a statement saying generators are inefficient, in the context of electric machinery. I simply wanted state a fact which may be unknown to the causal reader. I have encountered numerous members on forums who believe electric generator efficiency sucks. I attempt to correct that misconception when I can.
I do not recall seeing the presentation or slide show where that graphic originated nor am I aware of access to it. I have seen most all of Holcomb's stuff that is available for me. I have done quite a bit of internet searching on the subject.
bi
OK, thats what I figured.
BTW - that screen shot is from the video; - the video mentioned in the post.
It's from the presentation by Ellen Holcomb; Co-Founder - Manager, Holcomb
Scientific Research Ltd. She hosted a 45 minute "Live Presentation" video for a
group of interested parties sometime around the 23rd of March 2018.
It took place inside the Holcomb Research Facility in Florida.
The recorded presentation video is about 2.7GB MP4.
Quote from: onepower on March 11, 2023, 02:05:02 AM
So there are no rotating lines of force, they are imaginary and a form of notation.
AC
:)
Quote from: bistander on June 16, 2023, 08:21:11 PM
Regarding my post about the efficiency of generators, I was responding to a prominent graphic displaying a statement saying generators are inefficient, in the context of electric machinery. I simply wanted state a fact which may be unknown to the causal reader. I have encountered numerous members on forums who believe electric generator efficiency sucks. I attempt to correct that misconception when I can.
I do not recall seeing the presentation or slide show where that graphic originated nor am I aware of access to it. I have seen most all of Holcomb's stuff that is available for me. I have done quite a bit of internet searching on the subject.
bi
An interesting question is Efficiency. If we consider a real commercial facility where the HES system operates, the average daily efficiency is 1.35. We do not know the full possibility, but the statements of the company's engineer with a demonstration of the 7.0 instrumentation scoreboard. Those people who visited the Holcomb Center contacted me to confirm that they saw the testimony and found no fraud during the demonstration.
Interesting item. Bob Walker posted 23 hours ago. Below is a copy and paste from his LinkedIn.
bi
Very similar to the gloating of a fired employee. As for the Holcomb system in a commercial facility, any converter, under the appropriate load, can be made to work at a loss.
It was expected. The system does not want such devices to be available.
Let's see how this all ends. By the way, I assumed that Holcomb's flirting with the system would lead him to disastrous results for him. In any case, his generator works, and how to build it is nothing impossible.
Well
Have recently ( yesterday ) heard from a member here that small unit is not working ?
Hopefully more explanation will be forthcoming?
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: bistander on June 17, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
Interesting item. Bob Walker posted 23 hours ago. Below is a copy and paste from his LinkedIn.
bi
Bi,
Oh Well - looks like the Holcomb technology is DEAD - another scam!
Guess we'll will have to find some other method. Bummer... ;)
Have a good one - appears you all were right - Bye Bye.
(If your ever in SA, drop in! Great weather, good climate for pol development, as well!)
SL
https://hyiq.org/Reference/Profile?Name=Father%20Antonio%20D%27Angelo (https://hyiq.org/Reference/Profile?Name=Father%20Antonio%20D%27Angelo)
Device Father Antonio D'Angelo is fake as well ? брехня ?
In his case there is somewhat rotation in his device.
And I always said that it need combine,different form of energy in one device.
;)
I think Holcomb has played enough with the system and is mature enough to give away his technology for next to nothing, the system will pay a little more to pay off the debt. There will be no prosecution, Holcomb will remain silent, since any movement to disclose can always be returned to criminal liability for fraud of a purely "trading" nature - "undertook, but did not fulfill." In principle, I was waiting for this moment in the development of events. If all this is confirmed, then there will be no official announcement from either Holcomb, or from his wife, or from other participants. The system needs intrigue with a hint of fraud.
There will be statements like this Bob, but after such statements, I will never hire him or partner with him. If he has done it once, the same will be done by the swami.
Perhaps there will be more statements from electrical engineers who have been to the Holcomb Center and confirmed their work, now they will dance in a different way, again, a proven method of the system.
How to make a simple system using the Holcomb method, I will describe in my book (did not want to do this), but since they are trying to close the technology, I interfere a little with it.
The Holcomb system is absolutely similar to the system of the inventor Park Jae-sung (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/blog-post.html) (the difference is in the way the electromagnets of the solid-state rotor are controlled)
How to plan a solid state rotor for a synchronous generator, I will leave the preliminary theses here:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/05/holcomb-system-free-energy.html
Sincerely.
From HES Facebook page today.
edit to add:
https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762?init_S=ch_ltst
Eviction lawsuit.
edit #2:
Note. I just post some publicly available items found on the internet which are relevant to the topic. I give my sources so anyone who desires can pursue additional information. If you do, or otherwise have more information, or better yet, can get a statement from HES, please share with us. Thank you. bi
Hi All,
When a few people have paid $50k+ and the system didn't work, what is that saying?
Sometimes you can tell people that if you jump off the bridge it will cost you without knowing whats down there and yet people will still jump.
I was able to warns a friend not to buy any unit, but his friend did.....Yes, it didn't worked for him as expect.
Anytime you're dealing with electronics and frequency, digital equipment is effected. I new this many years ago, yet nobody took the time to realize this.
Almost all electronics equipment you can take a am radio and put it next to a microprocessor and you will hear the radio frequency while it's running.
It is very possible that these frequency can mislead your readings when working with voltage and frequency?
How many time have so many people wasted time on these claims and it turns out to disappointed?
I think a 1kw solar panel would give you free energy, and yet others think a magic box would!
Tom
I don't believe in the system, especially the corporate domination system.
There is an engineering solution and commerce.
An inventor, an engineer, who plays by the rules of commerce will surely be deposed.
I've updated my English post about the Holcomb system.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 07:06:16 AM
From HES Facebook page today.
edit to add:
https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762?init_S=ch_ltst (https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762?init_S=ch_ltst)
Eviction lawsuit.
Hey bistander,
Looking at the latest court docket filings:
06/07/2023 View Court Documents Docket MOTION -
DETERMINE RENT 06/07/2023 View Court Documents Docket MOTION -
DISMISS COMPLAINT FOR EVICTION If you don't mind, maybe you could sign up and get the actual filing documents and post them?
Maybe, also see if you can get more information from the former employee (on facebook) "Timothy A. Grega."
He might have the scoop and be willing to share it all - since he went out of his way to post his comment
on the HES facebook page "I
t's a lie. As a former employee. It's all fraud." Strong words but not sure what
he's refering to - or what he is concluding this from!
Thanks In Advance BTW, the last paragraph of Bob Walkers post kind of gives away his projected jealousy but he doesn't
provide any useful varified, facts, references or other information. [don't you just hate that?]
Might likely be more to this story, that's all! Just curious... {probably the "Technical Analysist" part of me}
Quote from: SolarLab on June 18, 2023, 03:46:40 PM
Hey bistander,
Looking at the latest court docket filings:
06/07/2023 View Court Documents Docket MOTION - DETERMINE RENT
06/07/2023 View Court Documents Docket MOTION - DISMISS COMPLAINT FOR EVICTION
If you don't mind, maybe you could sign up and get the actual filing documents and post them?
Maybe, also see if you can get more information from the former employee (on facebook) "Timothy A. Grega."
He might have the scoop and be willing to share it all - since he went out of his way to post his comment
on the HES facebook page "It's a lie. As a former employee. It's all fraud." Strong words but not sure what
he's refering to - or what he is concluding this from!
Thanks In Advance
BTW, the last paragraph of Bob Walkers post kind of gives away his projected jealousy but he doesn't
provide any useful varified, facts, references or other information. [don't you just hate that?]
Might likely be more to this story, that's all! Just curious... {probably the "Technical Analysist" part of me}
Hi SL,
I encourage you or any interested reader to look it up, or pursue more information as they should desire. I am limited, not being a fb member. Regarding Timothy's statement, if I had to put 2+2+2 together with what I just posted, I might think Timothy was POed because he had been locked out of his place of employment and not paid. As to what he specifically referred to in his "It's all fraud", I think "all" says it, which I interpret to mean the fundamental claims and surrounding activities/proofs associated with HES. Just guessing. I'd certainly welcome explanation, ideally from Holcomb. You seem to be friendly with them. HES did give you that generator inefficiency graphic, didn't they? Please share what you learn. Thanks.
bi
edit:
I see that Timothy's post has been wiped. (10:00 pm est, 6/18/23)
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Hi SL,
I encourage you or any interested reader to look it up, or pursue more information as they should desire. I am limited, not being a fb member. Regarding Timothy's statement, if I had to put 2+2+2 together with what I just posted, I might think Timothy was POed because he had been locked out of his place of employment and not paid. As to what he specifically referred to in his "It's all fraud", I think "all" says it, which I interpret to mean the fundamental claims and surrounding activities/proofs associated with HES. Just guessing. I'd certainly welcome explanation, ideally from Holcomb. You seem to be friendly with them. HES did give you that generator inefficiency graphic, didn't they? Please share what you learn. Thanks.
bi
Hi bistander,
"You" posted this stuff, so it would only be appropriate that "you" do the clarifying factual follow up.
SL
Happy Fathers Day!
Hope all the OU fathers are enjoying the day!
Quote from: SolarLab on June 18, 2023, 06:55:37 PM
Hi bistander,
"You" posted this stuff, so it would only be appropriate that "you" do the follow up.
SL
Hi SL,
& "you" posted the image below. I don't see you doing the follow up. I provide the link, source or reference best that I can, but as I often state, look it up; readers need to do their own follow up. Do it or not, up to you. If I do find further information, I'll post it. HES doesn't appear forthcoming. IMO, awfully quiet lately. Have you spoke with them? Maybe member Lottalead could chime in.
bi
edit:
I see he just did. Got any current event news Lottalead?
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 07:16:10 PM
Hi SL,
& "you" posted the image below. I don't see you doing the follow up. I provide the link, source or reference best that I can, but as I often state, look it up; readers need to do their own follow up. Do it or not, up to you. If I do find further information, I'll post it. HES doesn't appear forthcoming. IMO, awfully quiet lately. Have you spoke with them? Maybe member Lottalead could chime in.
bi
edit:
I see he just did. Got any current event news Lottalead?
Hi bistander,
The "image below" was sourced in my reply post addressed to you:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579012/#msg579012 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579012/#msg579012)
----------------
"
BTW - that screen shot is from the video; - the video mentioned in the post."
"It's from the presentation by Ellen Holcomb; Co-Founder - Manager, Holcomb
Scientific Research Ltd. She hosted a 45 minute "Live Presentation" video for a
group of interested parties sometime around the 23rd of March 2018.
It took place inside the Holcomb Research Facility in Florida.
The recorded presentation video is about 2.7GB MP4."
----------------
* Contact Ellen Holcomb to obtain access. It does actually contain some "Company Proprietary Technical
and Business Information" so Ellen will have to OK it's desemination (that would only be appropriate).
HES is a private company so it's not uncommon to not share all things. But, they have actually been
quite free with much of their technical and other information, IMHO (more than most, in fact).
Don't be afraid to do a little of your own leg-work - you'll likely find it interesting at worst!
Plus, it's common practice, and courtesy, to "investigate third party source claims" prior to quoting them
(this isn't MSM, or is it - I hope we haven't fallen to that garbage pit level yet).
SL
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 07:16:10 PM
Hi SL,
& "you" posted the image below. I don't see you doing the follow up. I provide the link, source or reference best that I can, but as I often state, look it up; readers need to do their own follow up. Do it or not, up to you. If I do find further information, I'll post it. HES doesn't appear forthcoming. IMO, awfully quiet lately. Have you spoke with them? Maybe member Lottalead could chime in.
bi
edit:
I see he just did. Got any current event news Lottalead?
Yes I do. I am currently surrounded by generations of family and loved ones.. Father's Day is a big deal in our family. I am blessed to be able to host the celebration. I don't know that there is any other current event that matters today.... . I am just a fly on the wall here... didn't expect to draw much attention, having little knowledge and understanding of the tech.. I have learned much from the forum. Appreciate everyone here that offers insight.. and debate... it's all good to me. Let's just see.... You may be (pleasantly?) surprised...
Happy Fathers Day!!!!!
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 09, 2023, 10:23:19 PM
... Give it a week or 3 or 4 and revisit.
...
That was a week and half ago. Still expecting something in a couple weeks? O K.
Let's hope Timothy Grega had a happy father's day.
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
That was a week and half ago. Still expecting something in a couple weeks? O K.
Let's hope Timothy Grega had a happy father's day.
bi
Hi bistander,
If you are an investor, or other involved party, you would likely know, or will know in the
nearest future, if anything is developing, or about to transpire.
If not, then everything relating to any HES situation, is really of no concern to you and not relevant.
Possibly a good gossip topic, but other than that, notta...
Timothy will be just fine - Florida Labour Law and County Statutes are very fair to employee's who
are owed wages, etc. (a 14 day demand letter, and such), however Florida is a Right-to-Work state
so you have to be a little careful. Also, Unemployment Enjoyment benefits are tricky if you just walk
out without notice. Other than that it's pretty straight forward bar his comments, if not true.
Disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer and this is not any form of legal stuff.
Also, Bob's claim that Holcomb "owed Thousands in back-pay" would require more facts since Florida
has some strick State and County laws regarding payment of wages. This rarely goes beyond 14, and
possibly beyond 30 days in typical circumstances. Anyway, sounds a bit "out-of-the-ordinary!"
Your concern is heart warming but there's not need to concern yourself on anyones behalf, really...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 18, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
Hi bistander,
If you are an investor, or other involved party, you would likely know, or will know in the
nearest future, if anything is developing, or about to transpire.
...
Actually investors are given no more information in that regard than the general public due to insider trading laws. Maybe I am an investor. So it may be my business. I bring some news (public domain) here to seek more information and to alert others. You appeared interested enough to practically demand more of me.
bi
Such an interesting twist. Let's wait until the police find the culprit.
rakarskiy
QuoteSuch an interesting twist. Let's wait until the police find the culprit.
An interesting twist?, if they have what they claim this party hasn't even gotten started.
Personally, if I was crazy enough to advertise which is debatable I would use a real security system and not the crap most buy.
1)Thermal camera's which track the heat signature tied to an HD IR camera with free face tracking software. In effect, it tracks your body heat, zooms in on your face with an HD IR camera and hello loser your face is now all over the internet day or night rain or shine.
2)Most brain dead people leave there cell phone on which is constantly hunting for wifi access points or god forbid a bluetooth point. Rig up three access points which track any new signals entering the region. Not only can we position them using triangulation but capture there phone personal info.
I mean these brain washed underachievers they may as well have one of those radio shack fire man's helmet with the flashing red light screaming woo woo woo for all it's worth.
Here are a few links how to put together something like I'm using...
https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/304
https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-mlx90640-ir-thermal-camera/arduino-thermal-camera
https://www.engineersgarage.com/how-to-use-a-thermal-camera-with-arduino/
https://hackaday.io/project/7103-arduino-cellular-tracking-device
https://hackaday.com/2013/07/20/arduino-cellphone/
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/detecting-cellphone-proximity/4785
I mean, my garden even has an omnidirectional spike which looks for IR signatures across 360 degrees, shines a high intensity LED in the direction of the signature and activates a piezo element to emit the most annoying sounds you can imagine. Not because some dumb ass might be trying to thwart my free energy inventions but deer eating my corn in the garden. You think your smart?, a deer can jump an 8 foot fence in the dead of night with no sound, eat your garden, crap on your herb garden for good measure and leave without your supposed guard dog so much as breathing heavy.
Now I'm thinking next level, why have passive security which is actually anything but security by definition?. What is security?, it is something which doesn't just monitor what some dumb ass is doing on my property but "secures me". So now were talking thermal tracking robots which can actually defend us and our interests. So you have a guard dog any six year old could drop with a steak laced with arsenic or even a laxative. While I could have a 6 foot thermal tracking robot that can move at 30 mph with a spiked club just calling your name... who will win?, it is not you.
In effect, the ultimate security is always something everyone else never saw coming or could anticipate. It's always the unknown which scares most to there core not the known...
AC
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 18, 2023, 11:19:35 PM
Such an interesting twist. Let's wait until the police find the culprit.
Hi Rakarskiy,
Satlink has been buzzing tonight - seems a few "interested parties" are really pissed.
You might not know but some of the "Rich Dudes in Sarasota (investors)" didn't make their
riches selling popsicles - they have untold resources and don't like to be messed with, say no
more!
This was a very STUPID MOVE on some dipshits part, to say the least...
Hopefully it's just a "one-off" by some guy with a 5 year old mentality - would hate see an
escalation, especially on the part of some of these "so called" 'well connected retirees'!
We shall see. But then again it might be fun, just like the ole' days! 8)
SL
They make free energy machines. Why do they have a power bill and utility meter?
bi
Quote from: bistander on June 19, 2023, 01:10:20 AM
They make free energy machines. Why do they have a power bill and utility meter?
bi
"F-off" you IDIOT
Quote from: bistander on June 19, 2023, 01:10:20 AM
They make free energy machines. Why do they have a power bill and utility meter?
bi
Because there is a "Global Energy Management System"! There are rules that are set by those who manage the energy.
The United States has the 1951 Act. I don't know all of these requirements, but probably Holcomb was informed of them.
An acquaintance of mine who built one of my devices (which can be classified as magnetic flux switching technology) found that he could be prosecuted by the authorities for violating the 1951 law. The technology that Joe Flynn developed was heavily guarded and guarded. In this case, the location on the planet does not matter.
( https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/05/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp )
For me, it's not even a question if Holcomb Center has an OverUnity static-type electromagnetic converter. They have it.
The operation of even a simple mechanical synchronous power generator requires operating conditions, especially if in your consumer network the load level is determined over time in various capacities (on demand).
As for investments, this is one of the options for managing the system over technology.
PS
By the way, the EMF mechanism of the synchronous magnetic flux switching generator and the synchronous generator with the wire laid in the stator groove are identical.
bistander
QuoteThey make free energy machines. Why do they have a power bill and utility meter?
You already know the answer, or you should, but you cannot accept it. Real inventors try to marginalize or tone down the technology so people like you don't have a melt down.
AC
Quote from: onepower on June 19, 2023, 02:05:20 AM
bistander
You already know the answer, or you should, but you cannot accept it. Real inventors try to marginalize or tone down the technology so people like you don't have a melt down.
AC
AC,
Your out of your legue for now, so best to take a break, IMHO.
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 18, 2023, 11:19:35 PM
Such an interesting twist. Let's wait until the police find the culprit.
If and only if they have what they claim, the theory is in line with the scientific-sidetrack, then they have many enemies.
How trustworthy will the judge be? Who is the prosecutor? The firm is set up in 2020, maybe for the one goal of stopping Holcomb.
Stan Meyer was screwed too.
Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
Quote from: alan on June 19, 2023, 08:26:02 AM
If and only if they have what they claim, the theory is in line with the scientific-sidetrack, then they have many enemies.
How trustworthy will the judge be? Who is the prosecutor? The firm is set up in 2020, maybe for the one goal of stopping Holcomb.
Stan Meyer was screwed too.
Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
I asked Ellen about this issue.
They have only one "opponent", it turned out to be the one who tried to appropriate the technology.
It is impossible to steal the principle of operation of the generator, any generator works on it (the principle of electromagnetic induction), but the engineering solutions of the system, that's what the "appponent" wanted to assign. I think they will all be fine.
She told me that they are using their technology at their center, cutting their energy costs in half.
I have no reason to doubt. I know how their system works.
Quote from: bistander on June 18, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
That was a week and half ago. Still expecting something in a couple weeks? O K.
Let's hope Timothy Grega had a happy father's day.
bi
I expect that announcements will be made soon. I hope it happens within that time frame but I don't have any involvement in that sort of thing. I'm just along for the ride...
Have a great day!
LL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 19, 2023, 08:37:48 AM
I asked Ellen about this issue.
They have only one "opponent", it turned out to be the one who tried to appropriate the technology.
It is impossible to steal the principle of operation of the generator, any generator works on it (the principle of electromagnetic induction), but the engineering solutions of the system, that's what the "appponent" wanted to assign. I think they will all be fine.
She told me that they are using their technology at their center, cutting their energy costs in half.
I have no reason to doubt. I know how their system works.
I have heard the same from others.
Thanks.
LL
SO THEIR INVENTION CUTS THEIR POWER CONSUMPTION TO HALF, THEN I GET IF I USE THAT IN MY SOLAR FARM I WILL BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET DOUBLE THE OUTPUT. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 19, 2023, 08:37:48 AM
I asked Ellen about this issue.
They have only one "opponent", it turned out to be the one who tried to appropriate the technology.
It is impossible to steal the principle of operation of the generator, any generator works on it (the principle of electromagnetic induction), but the engineering solutions of the system, that's what the "appponent" wanted to assign. I think they will all be fine.
She told me that they are using their technology at their center, cutting their energy costs in half.
I have no reason to doubt. I know how their system works.
Rakarsky, we have a unique chance to go there, meet them and solve all their and our problems.
You know how the device works, I don't know that, but I'm just a smart dude, I'll be helpful.
We will be on the side of the defense and prove to the detractors that the idea works.
This is our high point! 8) p.s. I have already prepared my suitcase. ;)
Hello all.
Continuing my efforts to learn about Holcomb company and devices/systems, I stumbled across a copy of the DNV-GL Verification Statement, 8-19-2019 in pdf file, 15 pages. I don't believe there is an available link to it on HES websites or homepages any longer. Hopefully the file will attach. It is just for anyone wishing to use it.
It does mention/refer to appendix which is not part of the pdf. If anyone has a link to the appendix, I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
bi
Good Evening, Surprised it was offered without critique...
LL
Indeed, even if everything is in plain sight, and you point out how it works, the layman does not see, due to an absolute misunderstanding of how a traditional synchronous generator with a core works. I specifically made it step by step from the simplest to the most complex.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html?m=1
Quote from: bistander on June 19, 2023, 03:55:05 PM
Hello all.
Continuing my efforts to learn about Holcomb company and devices/systems, I stumbled across a copy of the DNV-GL Verification Statement, 8-19-2019 in pdf file, 15 pages. I don't believe there is an available link to it on HES websites or homepages any longer. Hopefully the file will attach. It is just for anyone wishing to use it.
It does mention/refer to appendix which is not part of the pdf. If anyone has a link to the appendix, I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
bi
Incredible news out for Astra and Holcomb Energy!
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
Incredible news out for Astra and Holcomb Energy!
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916
At least in this aspect:
QuoteAstra also plans to implement Holcomb Energy Systems' (www.holcombenergysystems.com) advanced solution to increase project productivity, helping to support Zanzibar's move towards energy independence.
it's already a success!
Astra announced they are including the HES technology. This first press release tells me they are ready to start talking about it. This also tells me that they are ready to move forward with sales and manufacture of the ILPG. The manufacture may take several more months to tool up an assembly line but I would bet that sales will commence very soon if not already... IMO
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
Astra announced they are including the HES technology. This first press release tells me they are ready to start talking about it. This also tells me that they are ready to move forward with sales and manufacture of the ILPG. The manufacture may take several more months to tool up an assembly line but I would bet that sales will commence very soon if not already... IMO
LL
For sales, you need to have the appropriate production, and the structure of repair and maintenance. Not everything is as simple as it seems. In any case, the implemented project in the energy sector is a great success and a ticket to the future.
There is nothing more ironic than the claim that they magnify the input energy 200% or more and yet rely on outside input - not being able to loop it.
This is the exact same thing as Thane Heins' claim of infinite efficiency yet at the same time he claimed he can reduce the power input by 80%, as i wrote here (https://overunity.com/18443/heins-new-videos-and-few-corrections/msg544048/#msg544048), but still relies on the same.
If system is at least 50% efficient to start with and then power output is increased even by 50% would raise the efficiency over 100% and such system can be looped, modern transformers and inverters are very efficient, even if output needs to be changed frequency/voltage-wise, losses there are minimal.
One may say they make such claims not to be too disruptive which may be the case, still fact remains, such claims are really 100% nonsense.
If input power is magnified 200% or more such device MUST be able to be looped, there are no two ways around it.
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 10:58:29 AM
If input power is magnified 200% or more such device MUST be able to be looped, there are no two ways around it.
Wait, wait. Doesn't this mean that any device, if the input-output difference exceeds even one percent higher over the losses in it during looping, starts uncontrolled overclocking.
And it becomes a theoretically infinite source of energy. Just don't burn the wires.
Maybe we are counting wrong ?
Quote from: kolbacict on June 20, 2023, 12:01:06 PM
Wait, wait. Doesn't this mean that any device, if the input-output difference exceeds even one percent higher over the losses in it during looping, starts uncontrolled overclocking.
And it becomes a theoretically infinite source of energy. Just don't burn the wires.
Maybe we are counting wrong ?
No, it does not mean that, why in the world would you think that. 1% over input and losses means 1% over input and losses, not "uncontrolled overclocking" or "infinite source of energy" in a sense of being able to give out infinite energy at once.
It means device can be looped and power a load that corresponds to that 1% gain.
Chief Kolbacict
Yes even 1.1 can be looped
Even a toy can do real work when multiple units are Daisychained together!
Quite obvious actually!
Would be nice to have such a simple device open sourced for replication here .
1000's of replications would surely follow!
Probably save many lives this coming winter !
Respectfully
Chet K
Edit for rakarskly comment below
Daisy chain is multiple 1.1 units combined until self running.
Just an engineering task!
...
It will not work to loop indicators 1.1 to 2. For the stable operation of a self-running system, a ratio of 1:3 is needed. At the same time, direct conversion is still impossible without buffer sources of accumulation.
If one believes the DNV-GL Verification Statement, page 12, HES Regenerative Loop and Efficiency Test, stand-alone energy production should be no problem, right? Page 12 attached. Also see page 13 for details of 6 hour test. Report pdf available on my previous post.
bi
Hmm. It seems me,I'm right. Think . If there are no controlling and restrictive elements in the system ... And there is no payload either yet. It is enough just to pass over one hundred percent at least a little bit. Self powered system. And the energy will tumble down as if from a cornucopia is not limited. :)If you do not give the load more than a certain value, so as not to choke the process. For example, a nuclear fission reaction, a chain reaction. Uncontrolled bomb,
And controlled ,nuclear power plant. Refute me...
p.s.
QuoteDaisy chain is multiple 1.1 units combined until self running.
Also as an option, I think it will work.
It is nonsense that 1.1 to 2 (above all losses) is not enough to loop. Like i wrote, even if voltage/frequency/rectification conversion is needed, modern transformers/inverters are very efficient.
110% efficiency above input and losses is definitely enough to loop it, not to mention 200 or 250%.
F.Y.I.
The attached snapshoots should provide some prospective as to the scope of
Dr. Holcomb's developments over the years.
A good starting point is to evaluate, in detail, each of his many submissions
before speculating, or drawing any uneducated conclusions, about the systems.
It is clear why the "ILPG" is key to development of "low maintenance, reliable,
lower cost" solutions for higher power applications (their simplicity versus a
more complex stand-alone implementation).
Patent numbers are part of the snapshot titles.
It should be obvious why the "Cellphone Battery" [LinGen] embodiment part
needed further analysis and development.
No further comments are needed...
SL
More useless diagrams and uneducated claims, basic KEY questions remain unanswered.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578963/#msg578963
In the supposed Holcomb generator
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
According to shown 4 poles it appears to produce same rotating field as outer stator,
supposedly sandwiching the "secondary" N to N, but there is no proof of this, this is
purely my conjecture, guessing.
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated. Shield is almost certainly
playing a big role in this, but nothing is explained, nothing revealed.
How bout some CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY.
I am personally not interested in Holcomb and consider it inferior to other methods,
but since some here claim to "know" what Holcomb is doing, they should at least give
answers to these basic, KEY questions.
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 04:53:13 PM
More useless diagrams and uneducated claims, basic KEY questions remain unanswered.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578963/#msg578963 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578963/#msg578963)
In the supposed Holcomb generator
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
According to shown 4 poles it appears to produce same rotating field as outer stator,
supposedly sandwiching the "secondary" N to N, but there is no proof of this, this is
purely my conjecture, guessing.
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated. Shield is almost certainly
playing a big role in this, but nothing is explained, nothing revealed.
How bout some CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY.
I am personally not interested in Holcomb and consider it inferior to other methods,
but since some here claim to "know" what Holcomb is doing, they should at least give
answers to these basic, KEY questions.
Nix85,
Sorry Nix - I can't grow a "BRAIN" for you! :)
You'll have to do that for yourself...
In the mean time - please stop making a fool of yourself - looks bad for the general
thread participants and casual viewers.
Since you're not interested in Holcomb's devices; don't bother blessing us with such
stupid uneducated and uninformed nonsense. Thanks!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 05:06:59 PM
Nix85,
Sorry Nix - I can't grow a "BRAIN" for you! :)
You'll have to do that for yourself...
In the mean time - please stop making a fool of yourself - looks bad for the general
thread participants and casual viewers.
SL
Sorry SL, but you have just again proven that you are brainless. :)
As usual evading any concrete questions, posting junk.
Not to mention the second irony - you have been making a fool of yourself
for year and a half, even pulled few fellow fools down your brainless trail.
Take your own advice - please stop making a fool of yourself - looks bad for the
general thread participants and casual viewers.
And if your ever grow a BRAIN, these basic KEY questions await you.
Nix
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 05:23:20 PM
Sorry SL, but you have just again proven that you are brainless. :)
As usual evading any concrete questions, posting junk.
Not to mention the second irony - you have been making a fool of yourself
for year and a half, even pulled few fellow fools down your brainless trail.
Take your own advice - please stop making a fool of yourself - looks bad for the
general thread participants and casual viewers.
And if your ever grow a BRAIN, these basic KEY questions await you.
Nix
Nix,
OK, I'll put it in 5 year old terms for you so you can understand it clearly:
READ THE PATENTS, then REVIEW THE VIDEOS, then READ THE PATENTS AGAIN It's all in there - so you have to do the reading and understanding yourself. No
one can do that for you, not even me!
Then, if you can't get it - move on to something simpler, easy - right...
SL
Hi All,
I'm only going to say this just once.
If the Holcomb system really worked as claim and other believe it worked. Then ask yourselves were is a working unit that produced more energy?
I was asked about this many months ago by some investors. It seem too good to be true and nobody was allowed to verify input vs output outside of the company sight, why? They had patents and the money to fight anyone if they try to copy it!
I know its a conspiracy again, but the outcome is clear. People who spent big dollars to get their hand on a working unit was not happy at all!
With all of the so-called experts on these forums that claim it must work, should step back and look at the report of the outcome from people who spend money on a unit that didn't work!
My Opinion, all it was was a rotating transformer field generator with no moving parts. Like all transformers you will always have a waste of some kind!
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on June 20, 2023, 05:36:36 PM
Hi All,
I'm only going to say this just once.
If the Holcomb system really worked as claim and other believe it worked. Then ask yourselves were is a working unit that produced more energy?
I was asked about this many months ago by some investors. It seem too good to be true and nobody was allowed to verify input vs output outside of the company sight, why? They had patents and the money to fight anyone if they try to copy it!
I know its a conspiracy again, but the outcome is clear. People who spent big dollars to get their hand on a working unit was not happy at all!
With all of the so-called experts on these forums that claim it must work, should step back and look at the report of the outcome form people who spend money on a unit that didn't work!
My Opinion, all it was was a rotating transformer field generator with no moving parts. Like all transformers you will always have a waste of some kind!
Tom
No comment! :D
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
Incredible news out for Astra and Holcomb Energy!
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916 (https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916)
Hi Lottalead,
Thanks for the link and very significant information.
Have a great week!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 05:31:28 PM
Nix,
OK, I'll put it in 5 year old terms for you so you can understand it clearly:
READ THE PATENTS, then REVIEW THE VIDEOS, then READ THE PATENTS AGAIN
It's all in there - so you have to do the reading and understanding yourself. No
one can do that for you, not even me!
Then, if you can't get it - move on to something simpler, easy - right...
SL
OK, I'll put it in newborn terms for you so you can understand it clearly:
I have read the patents and watched the videos and analyzed them in depth and posted it all here, you have been participating back then and you missed it all, you idiot.
As i have written he does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely HINTS at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a
geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
That is VERY vague. So no, NOT all is in there. Almost nothing is really there. All that he really said is "geometry and shielding" and there is nothing new about these in overunity world.
I have watched the videos and read the patents and understood them as much as it is possible to understand them in accord with available information. I posited the key questions
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated.
You can't even address these basic questions.....
It is not about complexity or simplicity, you idiot, i am working with principles and systems of such complexity that would overload your hollow skull in split second, it is about CLARITY, INTELLIGENTLY and SINCERELY making a clear distinction between what is given and what has to be conjectured.
You claim to "understand" it yet are incapable to answer even the most basic questions about it, you are a fool.
Tommy, do you think it likely that Astra fully investigated the device before forming the joint venture with Holcomb?
Foolish question, right?
Astra is about to ink a $200M deal to develop 50MW solar power project in Zanzibar. Today, they announced unequivocally, that the Holcomb technology will be utilized.
I wonder if Arup, the company contracted to do the feasibility report did any due dillegence?
https://www.arup.com/projects/co2-performance-ladder-feasibility-study
SAN DIEGO, June 20, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- via IBN -- Astra Energy Inc. (OTCQB: ASRE) ("Astra" or the "Company") is pleased to announce that it has successfully presented a feasibility report and executed documentation to secure 207 acres of land on a 33-year renewable lease with the Revolutionary Government of Zanzibar for Astra's Zanzibar Clean and Renewable Energy Park project ("ZCREP").
Astra and the government of Zanzibar previously signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on June 7, 2022, to develop the Project, and Astra has been approved for U.S. government advocacy to help advance the Project. Astra has also applied for a grant from the U.S. Trade and Development Agency (USTDA) to fund the feasibility study and has chosen Arup US, Inc. as the sole source provider to conduct the study.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/03/20/2630530/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-Acquisition-of-Land-for-Zanzibar-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park.html
USAID, the WORLD BANK , USTDA, US Chamber of Commerce. All involved
https://www.tanzaniainvest.com/economy/trade/us-sign-investments-mou
I've heard rumors the USDOE spent some time at the Holcomb facility..
So many opinions clashing here...
Here is mine...
Holcomb has finally agreed to share the secrets of his technology. He had to trust someone, he chose Astra, they are moving methodically towards its introduction to the market which will be soon...
Enjoy the day..
LL
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 06:10:00 PM
OK, I'll put it in newborn terms for you so you can understand it clearly:
I have read the patents and watched the videos and analyzed them in depth and posted it all here, you have been participating back then and you missed it all, you idiot.
As i have written he does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely HINTS at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
That is VERY vague. So no, NOT all is in there. Almost nothing is really there. All that he really said is "geometry and shielding" and there is nothing new about these in overunity world.
I have watched the videos and read the patents and understood them as much as it is possible to understand them in accord with available information. I posited the key questions
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated.
You can't even address they basic questions, just stfu.
It is not about complexity or simplicity, you idiot, i am working with principles and systems that would overload your hollow skull in split second, it is about CLARITY, about INTELLIGENTLY and SINCERELY, making a clear distinction between what is given and what has to be conjectured.
You claim to "understand" it yet are incapable to answer even the most basic question about it, you are a fool.
Nix,
Great, glad you have
finally figured it all out and now understand all the numerous Holcomb iterations,
their progression, and how it all fits together, and works!
Impressive how fast you can read for comprehension and undertanding - a record I suspect -
reading
through quite a few complex patents - IN LESS THAN AN HOUR - WOW...
Now, with your new-found knowledge, you can begin your detailed analysis and test.
Good Luck! Keep us posted on your progress, if you don't mind...
[Hey, you didn't really expect you could suck me into your stupid little "Troll" game did you! ;) ]
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 06:20:22 PM
Nix,
Great, glad you have finally figured it all out and now understand all the numerous Holcomb iterations,
their progression, and how it all fits together, and works!
Impressive how fast you can read for comprehension and undertanding - a record I suspect - reading
through quite a few complex patents - IN LESS THAN AN HOUR - WOW...
Now, with your new-found knowledge, you can begin your detailed analysis and test.
Good Luck! Keep us posted on your progress, if you don't mind...
SL
Sarcasm does not help you either neither do projections. I never said or implied i "figured it all out", i said i watched the videos, read the patent, analyzed them and posited the key questions which he leaves unanswered. That does not take years or months, less than an hour is more than enough for someone who's intelligent and sincere.
You are the one who claims to have figured it all out and even replicated it (funny). At the same time you are incapable of answering any of the most basic, key questions about it.
Stupid little games is all you do, you didn't really expect you would get away with it did you. ;)
Keep making a fool out of yourself, if nothing, it's entertaining.
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 06:17:13 PM
Tommy, do you think it likely that Astra fully investigated the device before forming the joint venture with Holcomb?
Foolish question, right?
Astra is about to ink a $200M deal to develop 50MW solar power project in Zanzibar. Today, they announced unequivocally, that the Holcomb technology will be utilized.
I wonder if Arup, the company contracted to do the feasibility report did any due dillegence?
https://www.arup.com/projects/co2-performance-ladder-feasibility-study
SAN DIEGO, June 20, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- via IBN -- Astra Energy Inc. (OTCQB: ASRE) ("Astra" or the "Company") is pleased to announce that it has successfully presented a feasibility report and executed documentation to secure 207 acres of land on a 33-year renewable lease with the Revolutionary Government of Zanzibar for Astra's Zanzibar Clean and Renewable Energy Park project ("ZCREP").
Astra and the government of Zanzibar previously signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on June 7, 2022, to develop the Project, and Astra has been approved for U.S. government advocacy to help advance the Project. Astra has also applied for a grant from the U.S. Trade and Development Agency (USTDA) to fund the feasibility study and has chosen Arup US, Inc. as the sole source provider to conduct the study.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/03/20/2630530/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Announces-Acquisition-of-Land-for-Zanzibar-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park.html
USAID, the WORLD BANK , USTDA, US Chamber of Commerce. All involved
https://www.tanzaniainvest.com/economy/trade/us-sign-investments-mou
I've heard rumors the USDOE spent some time at the Holcomb facility..
So many opinions clashing here...
Here is mine...
Holcomb has finally agreed to share the secrets of his technology. He had to trust someone, he chose Astra, they are moving methodically towards its introduction to the market which will be soon...
Enjoy the day..
LL
In addition.. after all the bs drama for the last week down in Florida.. no one who matters is backing away from Holcomb...
If any of the allegations were true, Astra would not have revealed the inclusion of the HES tech in the project.. this is big. IMO
ASTRA TEAM MEETS WITH PRESIDENT OF ZANZIBAR, H.E. DR. HUSSEIN ALI MWINYI, AND ACHIEVES SIGNIFICANT PROJECT MILESTONE FOR CLEAN AND RENEWABLE ENERGY PARK
On June 15, 2023, members of the Astra Energy Inc. team: Tony Thompson the VP, Electrical Power Generation;
Dan Claycamp, CEO of Astra Holcomb Energy Systems; and Charles Andy Mahiga from the American Embassy, met with the president of Zanzibar, H.E. Dr. Hussein Ali Mwinyi.
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 04:53:13 PM
More useless diagrams and uneducated claims, basic KEY questions remain unanswered.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg578963/#msg578963
In the supposed Holcomb generator
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
According to shown 4 poles it appears to produce same rotating field as outer stator,
supposedly sandwiching the "secondary" N to N, but there is no proof of this, this is
purely my conjecture, guessing.
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated. Shield is almost certainly
playing a big role in this, but nothing is explained, nothing revealed.
How bout some CLARITY and TRANSPARENCY.
I am personally not interested in Holcomb and consider it inferior to other methods,
but since some here claim to "know" what Holcomb is doing, they should at least give
answers to these basic, KEY questions.
Hi Nix, I see you're enjoying your day! Good for you!
It's too bad your not "interested" in the HES tech... I'd hate to see how much time and money you would spend sharing your analysis.. in depth, ad nauseum...
You demand answers to"key" questions...
Answer this....
Lets pretend you discovered the HES tech and YOU know the implications of what this means to the World...
Who would you trust?
What questions would you answer?
From whom?
The Holcombs and their team, Astra and theirs, are a force of Good in the World.
There is no lying in them.
I am going to bank on it.
Enjoy the evening!
LL
I totally agree with Lotta & SL... those with no interest in Holcomb surely have better things to do than pollute this thread.
D2
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 06:10:00 PM
OK, I'll put it in newborn terms for you so you can understand it clearly:
I have read the patents and watched the videos and analyzed them in depth and posted it all here, you have been participating back then and you missed it all, you idiot.
As i have written he does not say how he reduces lenz, he only vaguely HINTS at it with
"In accordance with another aspect of the power generation, systems and methods are disclosed for reducing drag in an electric generator that includes a geometric design of the stator, placement of a unique series of "uni-polar" solid-state rotors in relation to the stator coils along with magnetic shielding which results in minimal destructive interaction of the rotor magnetic fields with the magnetic fields of the stator when the generator is connected to an electric load."
That is VERY vague. So no, NOT all is in there. Almost nothing is really there. All that he really said is "geometry and shielding" and there is nothing new about these in overunity world.
I have watched the videos and read the patents and understood them as much as it is possible to understand them in accord with available information. I posited the key questions
1) What exactly is shielded, how many layers of mu-metal and of which thickness
2) What is the use of inner stator
3) How exactly is lenz drag reduced / almost eliminated.
You can't even address these basic questions.....
It is not about complexity or simplicity, you idiot, i am working with principles and systems of such complexity that would overload your hollow skull in split second, it is about CLARITY, INTELLIGENTLY and SINCERELY making a clear distinction between what is given and what has to be conjectured.
You claim to "understand" it yet are incapable to answer even the most basic questions about it, you are a fool.
Nix,
Just to shut you up and hopefully get rid of you:
1. MuMetal does what? - It shields magnetic fields!
Why use it? In the LinGen, it shields the pulsed created sliding magnetic
field created spurious signals from the sensitive RF/IF/AF circuits (RF uV input
for example). Do a Fourier Analysis of the LinGen Controller signals and it will
become very clear why they need to be shielded from the RF.
In the rotating generators Holcomb developed he used MuMetal to shape the
magnetic fields.
2. Why use an Inner Stator? - One stator gives you a factor of X1, two stators gives
you a factor of X2 for the same amount of fixed rotor fields. Since the system is
round, it's hard to get more than X2. Unless:
By using many concentric rotor/stator stacks allows taking advantage of the full winding
of both the rotor poles and stator lap windings (somewhat similar to the Gramm generator).
3. Lenz, or rather BEMF, a.k.a. Generator Drag reduction? - By not having the live
rotating magnetized rotor sweep past the stator the Lenz effect is mitigated. This
can also be controlled in a stationary system by the control sequence (truncation),
amongst other methods.
Now, with the LinGen; you can stack them (they're flat) and use other interesting
shapes and combinations.
See, not that hard to figure out was it... but you have to study and analyze it!
I'm sure you still want to argue but go off to another thread and argue with some
else, please...
SL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 08:15:10 PM
Hi Nix, I see you're enjoying your day! Good for you!
It's too bad your not "interested" in the HES tech... I'd hate to see how much time and money you would spend sharing your analysis.. in depth, ad nauseum...
You demand answers to"key" questions...
Answer this....
Lets pretend you discovered the HES tech and YOU know the implications of what this means to the World...
Who would you trust?
What questions would you answer?
From whom?
The Holcombs and their team, Astra and theirs, are a force of Good in the World.
There is no lying in them.
I am going to bank on it.
Enjoy the evening!
LL
Hi Lottahead, i am indeed enjoying my day! Wish you were too!
Firstly, i am someone who studies and works with overunity profoundly. I already know of many overunity principles altho i have not yet built one, but at this point it is mere question of funds, not knowledge.
I have studied deeply deeply deeply for many years to be here, both conventional and overunity side. So i know there are better methods. With that said, i am interested in it (Holcomb) enough to sincerely look into it and ask the key questions which are indeed key questions which i did, not "key" questions, but KEY questions. No need to repeat them and there are others too.
Besides, i am not talking about Holcomb at all anyway, i never said he had to reveal details about his tech. Never said that, never implied that.
Fact is Holcomb only vaguely hinted at the method he uses - geometry and shielding. There are dozens, hundreds of other overunity devices outthere about which FAR MORE IS KNOWN. Many of them in my playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o
And when someone claims to "know" / "understand" exactly how Holcomb's device works and at the same time is incapable of answering even vaguely, even in general manner, even the most basic key questions about it, then something is rotten there.
You are clearly a 100% non-technical person, fanboy (fangirl?) who only acts as some kind of "moral support" for something you have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of. Instead of "attacking" (in a clumsily masked way) those whom you misperceive to "attack" Holcomb (which i do not), invest your time more wisely, for example - educate yourself about electronics and overunity principles, maybe then you will be able to actually hold a valuable conversation about these matters.
You and your newbie colleague who also has nothing smart to say but pollute this thread with "cheerleading".
Enjoy the evening!
Nix
And Nix,
YOUR CLEARLY AN IDIOT... WITH NO TECHNICAL SKILL
Here's a link - just for you!
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579160/#msg579160 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579160/#msg579160)
BTW, I learned the "name calling" and other "childish behavour" from YOU!
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work...
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 09:11:45 PM
Nix,
Just to shut you up and hopefully get rid of you:
1. MuMetal does what? - It shields magnetic fields!
Why use it? In the LinGen, it shields the pulsed created sliding magnetic
field created spurious signals from the sensitive RF/IF/AF circuits (RF uV input
for example). Do a Fourier Analysis of the LinGen Controller signals and it will
become very clear why they need to be shielded from the RF.
In the rotating generators Holcomb developed he used MuMetal to shape the
magnetic fields.
2. Why use an Inner Stator? - One stator gives you a factor of X1, two stators gives
you a factor of X2 for the same amount of fixed rotor fields. Since the system is
round, it's hard to get more than X2. Unless:
By using many concentric rotor/stator stacks allows taking advantage of the full winding
of both the rotor poles and stator lap windings (somewhat similar to the Gramm generator).
3. Lenz, or rather BEMF, a.k.a. Generator Drag reduction? - By not having the live
rotating magnetized rotor sweep past the stator the Lenz effect is mitigated. This
can also be controlled in a stationary system by the control sequence (truncation),
amongst other methods.
Now, with the LinGen; you can stack them (they're flat) and use other interesting
shapes and combinations.
See, not that hard to figure out was it... but you have to study and analyze it!
I'm sure you still want to argue but go off to another thread and argue with some
else, please...
SL
Little pest like you can only dream about shutting me up and getting rid of me.
There, after how many, is 3 or 4 months i've been asking him to answer these basic
questions, he, or should i say, it, yields, but again only junk.
1. MuMetal shields magnetic fields... you don't say :)
Now you mention RF, and where does Holcomb ever mention using RF. In the patent you linked there is no mention of any high frequency/RF and in the videos he says clearly he uses low frequency, around 125 Hz. I am not excluding his controller is using RF PWM, shielding the controller is irrelevant subject-wise.
As for your second sentence "In the rotating generators Holcomb developed he used MuMetal to shape the magnetic fields."
Again nothing concrete, what exactly is shielded, the secondary or, how much. And i am not going to ask you for you do NOT know. Have you taken the Holcomb generator apart and seen it first hand, you have not, you got patents and videos to go by like everyone, in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.
2. As for Inner Stator....so you are saying inner stator is aiding the outer stator (so not N-N). Ok, let's say that is so, double the field double the induction, that is obvious.
As for "many concentric rotor/stator stacks allows taking advantage of the full winding" more bs. "Many", where are those "many", there are 3 layers, inner and outer stator and "secondary" sandwiched between them. This design alone is not overunity.
3. And your "explanation" of how lenz drag is eliminated is total bs too
Lenz can be mitigated in various way and it is not hard if one studies and analyzes INDUCTION and understands it deeply in all its forms...
...but lenz drag is surely NOT eliminated by the mere fact magnetic field is not physically/mechanically rotating. It is ridiculous and STUPID to claim lenz drag is eliminated like this. Lenz's law applies fully just like it applies in a transformer.
I have already suggested he MAY be using delayed lenz ala Heins, but the problem with that is he is using low frequency (around 125Hz if i remember correctly).
I don't want to argue, you idiot, it is exactly you who has been arguing with people for asking sincere question here since the beginning, i am asking sincere key questions that must be asked (and have been in part asked by users here but you never answered, only attacked them for asking) and answered clearly if this device (or any overunity device for that matter) is to be correctly understood and replicated,
And SL,
YOU ARE CLEARLY AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT...WITH NO TECHNICAL SKILL OR UNDERSTANDING
Here is a link - just for you
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579164/#msg579164
BTW You did not learn the namecalling and other "childish behavour" from me, your posts going back to the beginning of your Holcomb circus year and a half ago ABOUND with namecalling and tantrums and i have recently quoted some of it.
Nix,
Too bad a Rocket Scientist like you couldn't figure this stuff out
without having to be told!
For a Guru OU guy you really don't show it!
Oh well - keep up the fair work...
SL
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 09:13:11 PM
Hi Lottahead, i am indeed enjoying my day! Wish you were too!
Firstly, i am someone who studies and works with overunity profoundly. I already know of many overunity principles altho i have not yet built one, but at this point it is mere question of funds, not knowledge.
I have studied deeply deeply deeply for many years to be here, both conventional and overunity side. So i know there are better methods. With that said, i am interested in it (Holcomb) enough to sincerely look into it and ask the key questions which are indeed key questions which i did, not "key" questions, but KEY questions. No need to repeat them and there are others too.
Besides, i am not talking about Holcomb at all anyway, i never said he had to reveal details about his tech. Never said that, never implied that.
Fact is Holcomb only vaguely hinted at the method he uses - geometry and shielding. There are dozens, hundreds of other overunity devices outthere about which FAR MORE IS KNOWN. Many of them in my playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o
And when someone claims to "know" / "understand" exactly how Holcomb's device works and at the same time is incapable of answering even vaguely, even in general manner, even the most basic key questions about it, then something is rotten there.
You are clearly a 100% non-technical person, fanboy (fangirl?) who only acts as some kind of "moral support" for something you have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of. Instead of "attacking" (in a clumsily masked way) those whom you misperceive to "attack" Holcomb (which i do not), invest your time more wisely, for example - educate yourself about electronics and overunity principles, maybe then you will be able to actually hold a valuable conversation about these matters.
You and your newbie colleague who also has nothing smart to say but pollute this thread with "cheerleading".
Enjoy the evening!
Nix
Nixxy boy... come on now.. hush.... lets take it bit by bit..
Firstly... I don't care who you are...
.. I don't care what you studied...
.. :) if your not talking about Holcomb and his tech, why talk at all?
.. there you go .. not talking about Holcomb again..
.. nope not going to open your link.. its irrelevant to the discussion here of Holcomb's tech
... there you go talking about someone talking about Holcomb..
.... Don't care what you think
.. don't know anyone on this thread..
Holcomb's technology is finally coming to market.
It will benefit all.. even you
I'm living the dream Nixxy...
LOL
LL
:)
SL, since you love sarcasm so much...
Lucky for us all that an OU guru like you has figured it all out
and explained it all so perfectly.
So, just keep up the fantastic work, God speed.
Nix
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 10:08:02 PM
Nixxy boy... come on now.. hush.... lets take it bit by bit..
Firstly... I don't care who you are...
.. I don't care what you studied...
.. :) if your not talking about Holcomb and his tech, why talk at all?
.. there you go .. not talking about Holcomb again..
.. nope not going to open your link.. its irrelevant to the discussion here of Holcomb's tech
... there you go talking about someone talking about Holcomb..
.... Don't care what you think
.. don't know anyone on this thread..
Holcomb's technology is finally coming to market.
It will benefit all.. even you
I'm living the dream Nixxy...
LOL
LL
:)
Lottty boi, or is it a Lottty girl.. hush.. here, i'll break it down for you...
.. Firstly, i care even less who or what you are...
.. I don't care what you care about...
.. There :) ofc you stupidly did not get that by "i am not talking about Holcomg" i was saying i am not criticizing Holcomb, as i clearly noted, but am only saying if someone here CLAIMS he "knows" then the least he can do is answer sincerely some basic questions about it..
.. Don't open the link, it's all "irrelevant", don't educate yourself..
.. There you go talking more junk and still not educating yourself...
.. Don't care what you think either
There, finish it with blind faith in something you do not understand, but don't ask questions about how it works and by no means do not educate yourself.
Keep living a dream Lottty princess, but dreams turn into nightmares if not backed up by hard work and Knowledge, Lottty...
Nix
;)
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 10:16:01 PM
SL, since you love sarcasm so much...
Lucky for us all that an OU guru like you has figured it all out
and explained it all so perfectly.
So, just keep up the fantastic work, God speed.
Nix
Nix,
Thanks - I have figured it out and presented it; as you know. Won't repeat the endless
citations and links since it would be redundant at this point.
There will be much more exciting technical stuff - stay tuned!
In the mean time: try the "Soundcore Q35's" and http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb (http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb)
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 10:30:36 PM
Nix,
Thanks - I have figured it out and presented it; as you know. Won't repeat the endless
citations and links since it would be redundant at this point.
There will be much more exciting technical stuff - stay tuned!
In the mean time: try the "Soundcore Q35's" and http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb (http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb)
Regards,
SL
SL,
you sure did, as a true OU guru does it, no need to repeat anything, you already explained everything to perfection.
Looking forward to more of your exciting technical stuff and wise revelations.
In the mean time, speaking of jazz, try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1VMvMrCpw
Nix
Ahhh Tricksy Nixxy.. there you go again...
So eager to fight... too bad you can't find funding for the pursuits that you shill here....
Holcomb tech is coming to market. Astra is bringing it. They "Rang the Bell" with todays press release.
It's an exciting moment in history..
It's not too late to benefit.
Take part!
LL
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 10:41:28 PM
SL,
you sure did, as a true OU guru does it, no need to repeat anything, you already explained everything to perfection.
Looking forward to more of your exciting technical stuff and wise revelations.
In the mean time, speaking of jazz, try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1VMvMrCpw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1VMvMrCpw)
Nix
Nix,
Sorry, forgot to add "with a Wernesgruner" in hand!
Trust me - its a good thinking combination - of course - just IMHO...
Take care, and be happy we've finally crossed that Rubicon! Yea!
SL
Ahhh Potty Lottty there you go again...
imagining fights that aren't there. And who said i can't find the funding... "shill" aajajajaja :D
I wish Holcomb all the best and to be the first to come to market, we'll see how that goes,
probably not as you imagined it, for these things are already happening on MASSIVE scale,
as i said many times, and when such devices will be part of mainstream and sold openly
is solely determined by the average joe's level of morality and intelligence and before all Divine Will.
It's an exciting moment in history.. but not because of Holcomb, but thousands of similar technologies that are already happening, too bad you don't wan't to know.
Unlike you, Potty Lottty, i AM taking part. By DOING it and promoting it and teaching it etc. Not "cheerleading" and hissing for one single company out of a fad.
Take part!
Nix
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 10:56:19 PM
Nix,
Sorry, forgot to add "with a Wernesgruner" in hand!
Trust me - its a good thinking combination - of course - just IMHO...
Take care, and be happy we've finally crossed that Rubicon! Yea!
SL
Sure, just don't overdo it, we don't want our great OU guru get eaten away by ethanol!
Take care, and be happy i finally realized your greatness. Yea! How lucky are we to have you!
Nix
Quote from: nix85 on June 20, 2023, 11:14:23 PM
Sure, just don't overdo it, we don't want our great OU guru get eaten away by ethanol!
Take care, and be happy i finally realized your greatness. Yea! How lucky are we to have you!
Nix
Nix,
"Wernesgruner" - brewing excellent Beer since 1436 (German, is there any other Beer?)
so no worries.
"http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb" - no ads and no tracking!
All the "cados" go the Holcomb - he came up with this "Disruptive" technology, I just
did a little modern CAE Analysis for a "proof-of-concept" technical varification. That's
what I do on a professional consulting level; including Space Sciences, etc..
Hey, move to the other-side - the Troll thing is pretty much finished. A new World!
SL
Nix... thousands of similar technologies? Already happening on a MASSIVE scale?
MASSIVE?
THOUSANDS?
Take a few deep breathes pal.. maybe you should take a walk around the block... get out of the house for a while.... Calll a loved one.. Are you alone or imprisoned ? Maybe we can we can help...
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 11:35:29 PM
Nix... thousands of similar technologies? Already happening on a MASSIVE scale?
MASSIVE?
THOUSANDS?
Take a few deep breathes pal.. maybe you should take a walk around the block... get out of the house for a while.... Calll a loved one.. Are you alone or imprisoned ? Maybe we can we can help...
LL
I could start a Go Fund Me Page for you!
It'll be great...
Seriously ..
LL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 20, 2023, 11:33:36 PM
Nix,
"Wernesgruner" - brewing excellent Beer since 1436 (German, is there any other Beer?)
so no worries.
"http://radio.garden/listen/power-smooth-jazz/UpXKkkbb" - no ads and no tracking!
All the "cados" go the Holcomb - he came up with this "Disruptive" technology, I just
did a little modern CAE Analysis for a "proof-of-concept" technical varification. That's
what I do on a professional consulting level; including Space Sciences, etc..
Hey, move to the other-side - the Troll thing is pretty much finished. A new World!
SL
Sure sure, bavarian excellence, but we don't want to take risks, you're too important!
I've been a fan of radiogarden for quite some time. BTW there are no ads with Adblock.
All praise to Holcomb and you our great guru who revealed his secrets so perfectly.
Why would i troll you, you are THE guru of OU, a bringer of a new World! A savior!
Ah Potty Lottty, you're a doll. Thousands of similar technologies already happening on a MASSIVE scale indeed, but how could it be if you do not know about it, right. Impossible! :)
Take your own advice, princess, take few deep breaths, take a walk, get out of the house for a while.... Calll a loved one.. Are you alone or imprisoned ? Maybe we can we can help... Just make sure that in no case you do any research.
I could start an OnlyFans Page for you!
It'll be great...
Seriously ..
Or are you already there
Nix
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 12:01:54 AM
Ah Potty Lottty, you're a doll. Thousands of similar technologies already happening on a MASSIVE scale indeed, but how could it be if you do not know about it, right. Impossible! :)
Take your own advice, princess, take few deep breaths, take a walk, get out of the house for a while.... Calll a loved one.. Are you alone or imprisoned ? Maybe we can we can help... Just make sure that in no case you do any research.
I could start an OnlyFans Page for you!
It'll be great...
Seriously ..
Or are you already there
Nix
Hey Nix,
If that's the best you got you better give up the "Troll side" -seriously - at $0.40/post your not going to retire rich.
MELT DOWN - sorry man! But hey, shit happens! [Head Explodes :-[ ]
Have a good one... "Pretty bad I must say."
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 12:11:43 AM
Hey Nix,
If that's the best you got you better give up the "Troll side" -seriously - at $0.40/post your not going to retire rich.
MELT DOWN - sorry man! But hey, shit happens!
Have a good one... "Pretty bad I must say."
SL
Hey SL, so that is how much they're paying you, no surprise you suck at trolling so badly.
Are you even a person, or are you a bot, i suspect the latter....
MELT DOWN - sorry man! But hey, shit happens! [bot-Head Explodes :-[ ] indeed!
Have a good one... "Pretty bad I must say." indeed.
Time for SL ver 2.0, debugged.
LOL
Can you at least ... for once ... reply with an original thought, comeback? It's' comical..
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 12:20:00 AM
Hey SL, so that is how much they're paying you, no surprise you suck at trolling so badly.
Are you even a person, or are you a bot, i suspect the latter....
MELT DOWN - sorry man! But hey, shit happens! [bot-Head Explodes :-[ ] indeed!
Have a good one... "Pretty bad I must say." indeed.
Time for SL ver 2.0, debugged.
Nix,
Polly what a cracker? ;D WTF...
You've lost it man - go have some sleep or whatever.
Not exactly sure whether your head exploded or not - but if it did - sorry!
Get some rest, man. Hey, this shit is not that serious... Well it actually is; but
hey it's only an Energy Revolution - big deal right!
SL
LOL i love how "original thought" your comebacks are, pure originality, it's hilarious....
You really served me an easy score with Gofundme - OnlyFans, which makes me wonder are you really there lol.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 12:36:16 AM
Nix,
Polly what a cracker? ;D WTF...
You've lost it man - go have some sleep or whatever.
Not exactly sure whether your head exploded or not - but if it did - sorry!
Get some rest, man. Hey, this shit is not that serious...
SL
;D SL, SL, poor SL, again talking about himself. Don't you see you have been THE cracker here for a long time.
You've lost it indeed, man, you took this waaay too far, year and a half of drama, namecalling, arguing with people............based on what, literally nothing, a simulation? Not even a real device. You can't even explain the most basic principles of Holcomb device or how you imagine it "should" work.
So go have some sleep or whatever, and when you wake up take a good look in the mirror, think things over.
Not exactly sure whether your head exploded, or if you even have a head :) - but if it did - sorry! I really did not mean to hurt you, i really (and i really mean it) just asked honest, sincere questions.
Get some rest, man. Hey, this shit is not that serious indeed...
Holcomb technology is being implemented on a massive scale in Zanzibar. HES will make bank, A-HES will make bank, I will make bank..
You will make nothing.
That's the bottom line.
You don't like it.
Enjoy the Ride!
LL
I don't like it? LOL
I am 100% for Holcomb, i like it - altho i consider it bulky and inferior to some other methods, but does not matter. Look at all my posts, i never said Holcomb is fake or anything.
I am only asking technical questions that NEED to be asked.
I am already making something, 4 big projects behind me, working on big one right now...
you never made anything and never will.
Enjoy the Ride!
nix
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 12:42:15 AM
LOL i love how "original thought" your comebacks are, pure originality, it's hilarious....
You really served me an easy score with Gofundme - OnlyFans, which makes me wonder are you really there lol.
Just for you sweatheart...
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/458569023030715
There is a connection..
See it?
It's about to be broadcast far and wide..
$$$$$$$$
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:02:41 AM
Just for you sweatheart...
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Inc-Presents-Feasibility-Report-Secures-207-Acre-Land-Package-for-Clean-and-Renewable-Energy-Park-Project-a?id=404916
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/458569023030715
There is a connection..
See it?
It's about to be broadcast far and wide..
$$$$$$$$
LL
You hissing princess, you still don't get it, i am not against Holcomb in any shape or form.
Just the contrary. You are hilarious.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:03:52 AM
You hissing princess, you still don't get it, i am not against Holcomb in any shape or form.
Just the contrary. You are hilarious.
Nix,
Post your analyse - we would like to see them. Maybe you have something to contribute?
SL
Gotta admit.. thats great f'ing news.
First time ever an overunity technology is being introduced to the market!
I wouldn't have believed it, if not for this forum..
I've made a substantial investment and am ready to f'ing gloat or take my lumps...
So far so good...
How you doin'?
LL
;)
QuoteRobert Holcomb's solid state synchronous machine, works on the algorithm of a traditional electromechanical synchronous machine, generating electricity. A solid state rotor is a system of electromagnets that mimic the action of a mechanical magnetic rotor. The task is to create a magnetic excitation flux, hold it and move it in the stator and rotor, synchronously inducing EMF in the generator phases. When a load is connected, the excited current in the phase wires amplifies the magnetic field of the system's magnetic flux. The magnetic flux [ϕ] has a constant component, both for a traditional electromechanical generator machine and for a Holcomb solid state machine. The Holcomb machine, like the synchronous generator, depends heavily on the connected load to create a working rotating field.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
;)
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:16:38 AM
Gotta admit.. thats great f'ing news.
First time ever an overunity technology is being introduced to the market!
I wouldn't have believed it, if not for this forum..
I've made a substantial investment and am ready to f'ing gloat or take my lumps...
So far so good...
How you doin'?
LL
Lottalead, thanks for the update!
SL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:16:38 AM
Gotta admit.. thats great f'ing news.
First time ever an overunity technology is being introduced to the market!
I wouldn't have believed it, if not for this forum..
I've made a substantial investment and am ready to f'ing gloat or take my lumps...
So far so good...
How you doin'?
LL
Not for the first time! The main thing is that this is resolved, while the rest of many projects are closed with a tragic share of their creators.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/06/electric-generator-without-braking.html
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/05/blog-post.html
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2020/03/blog-post.html
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 01:15:35 AM
Nix,
Post your analyse - we would like to see them. Maybe you have something to contribute?
SL
SL,
I already did, best contribution to this thread is to reveal the core principles of operation. Maybe you should try to do the same, maybe you would contribute something.
Nix
That's not news, i was always for Holcomb, as i said, i only ask the technical questions that need to be asked.
We'll see how the public market thing goes.
I've made no investment in them, but i did, thankfully, make immense investments in Knowledge.
Working on that right now, things look more than promising.
How you doin'?
Nix
Pathetic!
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:29:20 AM
That's not news, i was always for Holcomb, as i said, i only ask the technical questions that need to be asked.
We'll see how the public market thing goes.
I've made no investment in them, but i did, thankfully, make immense investments in Knowledge.
Working on that right now, things look more than promising.
How you doin'?
Nix
Your Pathetic!
Why should they be revealed here for you?
Get over it.. HES ILPG is coming to market..
Wait a few months and pony up and buy an ILPG ... it'll be easier that way.. I can help if you need financing..
LL
LOL You are Pathetic indeed.
Revealed for me, HA! I don't need Holcomb, i am not looking for his "secrets" for me,
this thread is about Holcomb device, about supposed attempts of replication, then WTF
are we talking about, of course i ask questions about its operation as did others, or you
want tech to remain secret so only the few can profit.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:41:06 AM
Revealed for me, HA! I don't need Holcomb, i am not looking for his "secrets" for me,
this thread is about Holcomb device, about supposed attempts of replication, then WTF
are we talking about, of course i ask questions about its operation, or you want tech
to remain secret so only the few can profit.
Your not only Pathetic, but dumb as dirt.
But enjoy your $ 0.40 cents!
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:29:20 AM
That's not news, i was always for Holcomb, as i said, i only ask the technical questions that need to be asked.
We'll see how the public market thing goes.
I've made no investment in them, but i did, thankfully, make immense investments in Knowledge.
Working on that right now, things look more than promising.
How you doin'?
Nix
Bro... Astra just announced TODAY that the HES technology was to be implemented in a $200 Million dollar project fully vetted and approved by multiple independent agencies... That's a really BIG deal..
There are only small group of people who grasp the magnitude of this.. that realization won't last forever.. I guarantee it.. in fact.. I'm betting large on it..
LL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 01:44:37 AM
Your not only Pathetic, but dumb as dirt.
But enjoy your $ 0.40 cents!
LOL Your are indeed Pathetic and dumber than dirt.
No wonder you work for $ 0.40 cents.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:46:54 AM
LOL Your are indeed Pathetic and dumber than dirt.
No wonder you work for $ 0.40 cents.
Polly want a cracker?
Hey, guess you got another $ 0.40... Don" spend it all in one place!
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:46:54 AM
LOL Your are indeed Pathetic and dumber than dirt.
No wonder you work for $ 0.40 cents.
I know you are but what am I ...
We are debating a child..
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:45:41 AM
Bro... Astra just announced TODAY that the HES technology was to be implemented in a $200 Million dollar project fully vetted and approved by multiple independent agencies... That's a really BIG deal..
There are only small group of people who grasp the magnitude of this.. that realization won't last forever.. I guarantee it.. in fact.. I'm betting large on it..
LL
Great, may it be so. It is a step toward commercialization of the tech, altho far from selling units to the public world-wide. In my opinion widespread use of overunity will come from non-commercial efforts.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 01:49:43 AM
Polly want a cracker?
Hey, guess you got another $ 0.40... Don" spend it all in one place!
Have you not embarrassed yourself enough for those $ 0.40, polly.
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:51:52 AM
I know you are but what am I ...
We are debating a child..
LL
Sorry Lottalead, but I enjoy sparing with the "paid Shill Troll Clowns" - they are actually kinda fun,
especially when thery are dumb as dirt!
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:54:31 AM
Have you not embarrassed yourself enough for those $ 0.40, polly.
Ask your handler. You should get more - considering your up against a "Master Troll"
You should get at least $ 0.60/post.
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 01:51:52 AM
I know you are but what am I ...
We are debating a child..
LL
Ironic. You know you are, no need to project.
I am debating two newborns, and apparently you are the greedier one.
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 01:57:21 AM
Ask your handler.
Ask your coder, also why he made you dumber than dirt.
"Master troll" buahahahha, you are really hilarious.
It's always joy and fun to play with these shills wannabe "trolls",
they are usually brainless so nothing new there.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:58:37 AM
Ironic. You know you are, no need to project.
I am debating two newborns, and apparently you are the greedier one.
Contact your handler for at lest $ 0.60/per post! You deserve it based on your stick-to-it-ness!
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 02:02:43 AM
Contact your handler for at lest $ 0.60/per post! You deserve it based on your stick-to-it-ness!
Contact your owner, you deserve at least twice that much for being a forum fool for so long.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 02:07:09 AM
Contact your owner, you deserve at least twice that much for being a forum fool for so long.
Nix,
Here's how it now works here:
Present useful information, with back-up theory or credible postulations, with support information
etc. or be classed as as a "Shill Troll just purposed to disrupt the thread."
It's simple - produce technical supportave information, not stupid stuff - or just simply FO.
We do not have the time for Childness Shit - period. No Joke!
So, meet the Bar or FO! Simple
SL
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 01:52:49 AM
Great, may it be so. It is step toward commercialization of the tech, altho far from selling units to the public world-wide. In my opinion widespread use of overunity will come from non-commercial efforts.
It's not as far as you think...
A-HES joint venture was inked 7 months ago.... They have been working together well before the signing...
The main barrier to market was not the complexity of the tech but the selection of partners who can be trusted.
Much has been done, there is much left to do...
I expect that a full. Public, well documented demonstration is not far away.... Just in my opinion and ... I am usually wrong...
LL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 02:29:41 AM
Nix,
Here's how it now works here:
Present useful information, with back-up theory or credible postulations, with support information
etc. or be classed as as a "Shill Troll just purposed to disrupt the thread."
It's simple - produce technical supportave information, not stupid stuff - or just simply FO.
We do not have the time for Childness Shit - period. No Joke!
So, meet the Bar or FO! Simple
SL
Talk to the mirror. "Childness Shit" is exactly what you have been doing all along.
You have made a small, altho useless, step in the right direction when you attempted
to answer the 3 questions. From your "answers" it is perfectly clear you have absolutely
no idea what you're saying.
Just the claim that lenz is mitigated by "not having the live rotating magnetized rotor sweep
past the stator" is absolutely ridiculous. Mere fact that rotating field is produced by solid
state means instead of mechanical rotation does NOT mitigate lenz.
Take and induction motor and remove its rotor and put a a bunch of coils in its place.
Load the coils and primary current will go up proportionally.
So you are talking absolute bullshit. You don't even try to make sense.
So, YOU meet the Bar or FO! Simple
Quote from: Lottalead on June 21, 2023, 02:32:32 AM
It's not as far as you think...
A-HES joint venture was inked 7 months ago.... They have been working together well before the signing...
The main barrier to market was not the complexity of the tech but the selection of partners who can be trusted.
Much has been done, there is much left to do...
I expect that a full. Public, well documented demonstration is not far away.... Just in my opinion and ... I am usually wrong...
LL
You make a claim "It's not as far as you think..." and conclude with "I am usually wrong".
Fact is you don't know. Well documented public demonstration even if it happens soon, is one thing, public selling of overunity devices a very different thing.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 02:46:50 AM
Talk to the mirror. "Childness Shit" is exactly what you have been doing all along.
You have made a small, altho useless, step in the right direction when you attempted
to answer the 3 questions. From your "answers" it is perfectly clear you have absolutely
no idea what you're saying.
Just the claim that lenz is mitigated by "not having the live rotating magnetized rotor sweep
past the stator" is absolutely ridiculous. Mere fact that rotating field is produced by solid
state means instead of mechanical rotation does NOT mitigate lenz.
Take and induction motor and remove its rotor and put a a bunch of coils in its place.
Load the coils and primary current will go up proportionally.
So you are talking absolute bullshit. You don't even try to make sense.
So, YOU meet the Bar or FO! Simple
Nix,
And your technical analisys is?
Please share your detailed analysis. Analytic or Numeric, either one would be geat!
We are all listening. Especially me! Maybe you could detail your Lenz "non" mitigation
in detail - with technically valid details - that would be nice.
Apparently you seem to think the Magnetic field can not be truncated prior to movingto the next incursion with the next pole - why not, if using a non-rotating rotor, seems pretty logical if the controller decides to not to allow this.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 02:56:44 AM
Nix,
And your technical analisys is?
Please share your detailed analysis. Analytic or Numeric, either one would be geat!
We are all listening. Especially me!
SL
Don't muddy the waters, focus on the question of lenz drag.
The claim that lenz is mitigated by "not having the live rotating magnetized rotor sweep
past the stator" is absolutely ridiculous. Mere fact that rotating field is produced by solid
state means instead of mechanical rotation does NOT mitigate lenz.
Take and induction motor and remove its rotor and put a a bunch of coils in its place.
Load the coils and primary current will go up proportionally.
I already proposed the possibility that he is using delayed lenz ala Heins. This has been
discussed in-depth and proven that at higher frequencies induced field is delayed.
https://overunity.com/18653/ac-voltage-from-single-magnetic-pole/msg551987/#msg551987
But, again, Holcomb is using low frequency so that is more less totally out of question.
And there is of course also the factor of shielding, but it is not known exactly what is shielded
or how much, is secondary shielded, from photos does not appear to be. Unknown.
So question remains HOW is lenz drag reduced in this particular device.
In modern realities, while this is global on the planet, devices with the OverUnity sign will not be produced and sold to the population, which is the main consumer from the production of electricity, heat, etc. by corporations.
As sad as it is, it is.
In the last century, the American inventor and physicist John Bedingfield formulated the thesis in 1984. He argued that if you want to get a free energy generator, then you have to make it yourself.
As relevant today as never before, unfortunately.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Apparently you seem to think the Magnetic field can not be truncated prior to moving
to the next incursion with the next pole - why not, if using a non-rotating rotor, seems
pretty logical if the controller decides to not allow this.
Don't know - maybe you'll figure it, our not - probably not, oh well...
Anyway - nice to have Dumbo on board. I guess!
I do not think that and i did not say or imply that, but what you suggest is not realistic. Turning off the magnetic field just before it faces the next pole AND... There is no lenz mitigation in this. And before all, you can't turn 3-phase rotating magnetic field on off like you would a single mechanically rotating electromagnet. 3-phase RMF needs continuity for flux to merge.
You should figure out that your "idea" is not a solution for lenz mitigation. Nothing new there.
As for your edit, lol. You're the biggest Dumbo i ever saw on this forum, ever. And it's nice to have you to have a laugh.
Quote from: nix85 on June 21, 2023, 03:25:06 AM
I do not think that and i did not say or imply that, but what you suggest is not realistic. Turning off the magnetic field just before it faces the next pole AND... There is no lenz mitigation in this. And before all, you can't turn 3-phase rotating magnetic field on off like you would a single mechanically rotating electromagnet. 3-phase RMF needs continuity for flux to merge.
You should figure out that your "idea" is not a solution for lenz mitigation. Nothing new there.
As for your edit, lol. You're the biggest Dumbo i ever saw on this forum, ever. And it's nice to have you to have a laugh.
Already did Dumbo!
Quote from: SolarLab on June 21, 2023, 03:42:49 AM
Already did Dumbo!
So you're suggesting an "idea" you already figured is flawed, lol, you Idiot.
What is evident from reading through the posts on this thread is that following the revelation of malicious damage at the Holcomb site there followed a couple of days of quiet, supporting, beneficial, informative and productive commentary, during which a certain poster was absent, followed by a couple of days of reverting to schoolyard brawling once the seemingly deliberately disruptive influence returned.
I don't remember Einsten or Bohr (or Tesla) resorting to such nonsense - probably part of the reason they are still revered today and not forgotten. They let the strength of their logic stand the test of time. As a student, wishing to learn from the best example of those who have spent more time delving into these arts I would certainly appreciate less of an emotionally polar spectrum of discussion which keeps on topic and seeks to find the logical end-point of this certainly promising technology - one way or the other - without the distraction of tit-for-tat copycat insults flying around. I, and I'm sure others, have learnt simply to bypass the writings of perpetrators of this poor behavior - which is probably a shame - but a natural outcome.
I would certainly suggest anyone who is NOT interested in this topic to refrain from polluting the discussion and devote their valuable time elsewhere.
With best regards to all,
D2
There, second "cheerleader" is again trying to turn this thread into mujahedin-state or a cult of blind worship where it's forbidden to use one's intelligence and ask sincere technical questions that NEED to be asked to shed light on how the device operates and anyone who asks them is labeled "troll" and "enemy of Holcomb" and attacked by few idiots, and if you ask no questions and just worship that is "quiet, supporting, beneficial, informative and productive commentary", lol.
Everyone can read back that i always asked questions in most polite manner and we all saw what followed. That much about "schoolyard brawling" and "deliberately disruptive influence", infinite hypocrisy! Phew!
Due to all this people apparently long gave up on this thread and let the foul play go on. Enough! This is a free, open, overunity forum, not a jihad state.
Certain user here has created a "veil" around him that tricked many weak-minded into thinking he "knows" how Holcomb works and supposedly even has a working replica. HA! After 3-4 months of pursue, he finally "answered" some of the key questions and it became crystal clear (as if it was not already) he has no idea what he's talking about. It was waaay overdue to pierce that ulcer.
Such water-muddying games were allowed to go on for too long, not conducive to learning or progress. CLARITY.
Then he again sleazy writes platitudes abusing names of Einsten, Bohr and Tesla, accusing me of "nonsense" - ah the irony. He then just goes on with the rant of ironic accusations of my logic, he does not see i go to the core of things, focusing on what really matters, key technical questions, using logic in its best form, but no wonder he is blinded by the "show" and totally blind to what really matters, he does not understand there is no true value, no solution in what he is served by those who claim they "know" but really don't, he does not realize that "emotionally polar spectrum discussions" and "distraction of tit-for-tat copycat insults flying" and "perpetrators of this poor behavior" are exactly by those who abhor key questions to be asked and prefer to muddy the waters. He does not realize his own hypocrisy and foolishness.
Intelligent and polite asking of technical or any questions is the very foundation of this forum, it will not be taken away by few idiots who jumped on overunity train out of fad and/or greed.
He than "concludes" foolishly claiming i am not interested in the subject, accusing me of polluting it, he does not realize i am more interested in it than those who PRETEND to be, leading people astray, he does not see i have brought far far more clarity and illumination than all those who pollute the topic with drama and cultism, including himself.
Truth IS.
Nix
Ah, i knew it, taking things literally, obviously i am interested in it, but,
as i wrote clearly, i deem it bulky and inferior to some other methods
which are superiror to it. Nonetheless, i am interested in how exactly
is Holcomb reducing lenz reverse torque as he says, every overunity
device is interesting, especially solid-state ones.
I was just looking at some pics and clicked on one of their videos on facebook from February 7, 2022. Here he claimed they are 100% off the grid
"this single unit is now powering our 12,000 square foot facility"...
"this building is running totally off the grid"
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/the-future-of-clean-energy/1101321674042106/
Yet in livestream from April 22, 2022 he said
"energy consumption of this building has plummeted down to approximately 40%
of its previous consumption of energy which means that the carbon footprint
used by this building is decreased by 60% and the cost of operating this building
from energy standpoints decreased by 60%"
https://youtu.be/8wAMQE3vykE?t=51
Quote from: SolarLab on June 19, 2023, 01:23:33 AM
QuoteThey make free energy machines. Why do they have a power bill and utility meter?
bi
"F-off" you IDIOT
So mine was a reasonable question.
bi
It's called "Research and Development" (R&D)
You may have heard the term - but it sounds like you're not familiar with it.
F.Y.I.
The attached snapshoots should provide some prospective as to the scope of
Dr. Holcomb's developments over the years.
A good starting point is to evaluate, in detail, each of his many submissions
before speculating, or drawing any uneducated conclusions, about the systems.
It is clear why the "ILPG" is key to development of "low maintenance, reliable,
lower cost" solutions for higher power applications (their simplicity versus a
more complex stand-alone implementation).
Patent numbers are part of the snapshot titles.
It should be obvious why the "Cellphone Battery" [LinGen] embodiment part
needed further analysis and development.
No further comments are needed...
SL
Found an interesting comment concerning utility meter damage at HES this morning. Remember Timothy? Former employee.
bi
https://twitter.com/Windstream/status/1253067380311371776 (https://twitter.com/Windstream/status/1253067380311371776)
https://www.doityourself.com/forum/communications-voice-radio-data-transfer-products-devices/508185-wiring-phone-dsl.html
internet it is
Yesterday i've been reading this reddit thread about Holcomb (https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricalEngineering/comments/qxvyoo/is_this_a_legit_taking_power_from_the_grid/)
Holcomb was fined $4,000,000 in 2004 for selling patents that no longer belonged to him.
"inventor's opponents argued that Holcomb's other companies gained millions of dollars in investments by selling the same intellectual property over and over."
https://www.wistech.org/2004/12/judge_rules_inv.html
He also created dozens of fake companies in Netherlands, Ireland, New York and New Zealand to illegally sell the same patents and evade paying royalites.
"unlawfully transferred ownership, control, or revenues ... Dr. Holcomb created ["20 or 30"] entities to conceal his work and avoid paying royalties to HHCS"
https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/legal-dispute-over-holcomb-intellectual-property-expands/article_2afcce0f-8ac1-5240-b7fb-afd4444ce1e4.html
Quote from: Lottalead on June 20, 2023, 08:15:10 PM
...
Who would you trust?
...
The Holcombs and their team, Astra and theirs, are a force of Good in the World.
There is no lying in them.
...
LL
I don't trust Holcomb. I see a lot of untruth about him.
bi
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."
Eleanor Roosevelt
;)
Personally, it doesn't matter to me who Holcomb is, what his credit history is, what matters to me is the device that is represented by the Holcombs and that works.
How it works, and that he was far from the first to have the idea of rotating the magnetic poles of a fixed rotor by switching magnets, is easy to figure out or just read:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Holcom was the first to translate this into a product that has technical characteristics, while working at a commercial facility. Most importantly, he made the information available what it is.
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2023, 02:49:55 PM
...
Personally, it doesn't matter to me who Holcomb is, what his credit history is, what matters to me is the device that is represented by the Holcombs and that works.
But it doesn't work.
bi
There are ...., which that in the forehead that spelled.
When you know exactly how the transformer and generator work, you will have no illusions about the pros and cons.
"know exactly how the transformer and generator work" :)
It was enough to see Hooper-Monstein (https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif) claim and the claim there is no flux cutting in a generator.
Quote from: nix85 on June 22, 2023, 03:33:01 PM
"know exactly how the transformer and generator work" :)
It was enough to see Hooper-Monstein (https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif) claim and the claim there is no flux cutting in a generator.
This is your sick imagination, nothing more. The EMF values are much higher than those that show the calculated data for the intersection and, most importantly, the maximum EMF where there are no longer these lines at all.
It is not scary when they are mistaken, it is more terrible when everything turns into a painful delusion with the transformation of the community.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/03/blog-post.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2023, 03:45:11 PM
This is your sick imagination, nothing more. The EMF values are much higher than those that show the calculated data for the intersection and, most importantly, the maximum EMF where there are no longer these lines at all.
It is not scary when they are mistaken, it is more terrible when everything turns into a painful delusion with the transformation of the community.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/03/blog-post.html
;D Sick imagination, nothing more is exactly yours. You don't understand the basic induction nor the fact that, as i wrote x times before, in the experiment magnets never approach closer than 3 diameters of the magnet, and most voltage is induced when rate of change of flux through the COIL is biggest. At the closest point of approach of two magnets in the so called experiment rate of change of flux is the greatest, of course most voltage is induced at that moment.
It is not bad to be mistaken, it is terrible when one stupidly persists in the flaw after being clearly disproven so it turned into a painful delusion for you but also education for the community.
Let's go to florida soon. We gonna hit'em over the head wid it, huh, Rakarsky ?
Hurry up, don't stall. This is our moment. [This is your time to shine, okay?
You will tell me on the plane on the way how it works, we will have plenty of time.
HES LinGen Lap Coil (output) [Induced Voltage (V) Coil -9 Blue Trace
{prepare for a flood! (Triggers are Set - Standing By) }
Quote from: nix85 on June 22, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
;D Sick imagination, nothing more is exactly yours. You don't understand the basic induction nor the fact that, as i wrote x times before, in the experiment magnets never approach closer than 3 diameters of the magnet, and most voltage is induced when rate of change of flux through the COIL is biggest. At the closest point of approach of two magnets in the so called experiment rate of change of flux is the greatest, of course most voltage is induced at that moment.
It is not bad to be mistaken, it is terrible when one stupidly persists in the flaw after being clearly disproven so it turned into a painful delusion for you but also education for the community.
I say, prove that the magnetic lines intersect the conductor in sufficient density to fulfill the emf condition. In this case, the opposite magnetic flux vectors will not induce an emf. your drawings for the patients of the sixth ward.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/03/blog-post.html?m=1
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5nBmOnb1iYdxPiaXiv1IZLuhq4xceOHooYhn2GQOY5-HEv1uz3y7FhByrrilAedb4Somgkdq7oAP6lG3qiIZ4F1UqwilCXhLMqTODELx-vyL9DPfsQhmEK-tJs0AOIbry5-9k5O8aHON2qeCwKXzN16BdOjbm6C2r3SEVCQDY7unI6rPOCxt15snM/s1465/2023-06-12_143305.jpg
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 22, 2023, 11:29:47 PM
I say, prove that the magnetic lines intersect the conductor in sufficient density to fulfill the emf condition. In this case, the opposite magnetic flux vectors will not induce an emf. your drawings for the patients of the sixth ward.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/03/blog-post.html?m=1
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5nBmOnb1iYdxPiaXiv1IZLuhq4xceOHooYhn2GQOY5-HEv1uz3y7FhByrrilAedb4Somgkdq7oAP6lG3qiIZ4F1UqwilCXhLMqTODELx-vyL9DPfsQhmEK-tJs0AOIbry5-9k5O8aHON2qeCwKXzN16BdOjbm6C2r3SEVCQDY7unI6rPOCxt15snM/s1465/2023-06-12_143305.jpg
What i say are obvious, undeniable facts. It's up to you to prove otherwise. You can't cause you are wrong.
I even drew it so you can see what you should've seen yourself, that in Hooper-Monstein experiment at closest approach magnets are 3 magnet diameters distant.
At that distance much or even most of the flux has yet not merged + flux density is greatest near the magnet and thus rate of change of flux at closest approach is the greatest and thus biggest EMF.
Top right in image below shows two magnets in similar situation but much closer, about 1.5 magnet diameters away, and there is STILL much flux left to merge, not to mention at double the distance and beyond (magnetic flux density falls with square of distance and sometimes (at the poles) even at cube of distance).
And that is the closest approach, induction happens UP TO that point, so even at greater distance.Meditate on the words "3 magnet diameters away" and beyond. Don't use term "vectors" to sound smarter, it does not help you. And don't use term "opposite" as if the fact that flux lines are opposite is somehow not helping induction, if they were not opposite they would cancel out, they NEED to be opposite in such induction. Rate of change of flux is the greatest at point of closest approach. EMF is induced in perfectly normal way. Your "claims" are for the patients of the sixth ward.
;)
LOL, he does not get it his own "diagram" debunks him.
Flux density through the COIL (https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif) increasing circa 3 times
from circa 5 magnet diameters away to circa 1.3 diameters away.
;)
Go ahead and prove it! The formula helps you (Е=B*l*v) in both cases the magnetic induction density at the point of the wire is 0.09 Tesla.
If you're going to be sly and can't calculate it, better go sit in your rocket and fly to the moon and tell your tales to the lunatics.
Perhaps this Q & A can bring some clarity.
tinyurl.com/QuoraFluxLines
QuoteAnswer to When the conductor cut the magnetic flux lines then the electrons in the conductor exited, does this mean the electron is gaining the energy from magnetic flux lines? by Parvez Siddiqui
Equations and diagrams copy/paste poorly, so I'll attach screenshots of what is in the link.
bi
I have proven it since day one and your "simulation" just confirms all i said.
It does not matter what the flux density is in the wire, you lunatic,
change of flux through the coil is what matters here.
In your own diagram flux through the coil increases 3 times as magnets approach.
You can't calculate it even if you had the speed, of course you don't understand that
you can't calculate EMF without speed, and that there is no need to calculate it, ALL
that matters is there is a large change of flux through the coil as magnets approach.
From 0.12T to 0.37T in your "simulation".
Now go back to your sanitarium and tell your tales to the lunatics.
Quote from: bistander on June 23, 2023, 01:40:51 AM
Perhaps this Q & A can bring some clarity.
tinyurl.com/Quora-Flux-lines-Q
Equations and diagrams copy/paste poorly, so I'll attach screenshots of what is in the link.
bi
In an experiment with magnets and a conductor?
Take and prove these conclusions before the variant experiment. I do not mind. Only mathematically with the values.
By the way, if you take a ring of core with a wire in it and change the magnetic induction from zero to maximum and back, there will be EMF in the conductor according to the formula, which is engineering
There was no need for that screenshot for there is nothing in it that has not
already been shared here, all formulas for induction, for flux linking, flux cutting,
even Maxwell's laws. And that guy is obviously very very ignorant and 100%
conventional claiming magnetic field does not impart kinetic energy to the electron.
That guy would equally say magnet-only motor is impossible, anyway.
Point of this discussion is ALL that matters is there is a large change of flux through
the coil as magnets approach to the closest point, EMF is induced in normal manner.
Rakarskiy,
It has been proven millions of times, perfectly.
It has worked for me personally, perfectly, every time, hundreds, if not thousands of times, with real machinery.
bi
It came my mind the other idea.
We appeared in court as victims of fraud HES ?
Maybe even we can sue some money to naturalize in the US ?
OT - sorry...
TL,
Thanks, they all have been dropped there.
Directory (?) of the "Magnetic Field Intensities" are the ones that look like these:
Have a good one!
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on June 23, 2023, 01:52:46 AM
By the way, if you take a ring of core with a wire in it and change the magnetic induction from zero to maximum and back, there will be EMF in the conductor according to the formula, which is engineering
I have that. From drum VCR. There you go?
The coil is whole covered of ferrite.
I can do my experiment. :)
Quote from: bistander on June 23, 2023, 02:10:15 AM
Rakarskiy,
It has been proven millions of times, perfectly.
It has worked for me personally, perfectly, every time, hundreds, if not thousands of times, with real machinery.
bi
Exactly on the contrary, in stator slot I never managed to fulfill the condition for the formula (E=Blv) and even for the formula in the linear interruption of the flux in the core (E=4.44ϕf)). But making various measurements I saw a pattern, then I checked it and got an answer, how the electromagnetic induction works in the stator slot according to formula (E=4.44ϕf). In addition, all the rest all came together in a very logical chain.
At the moment I find out how the transformer works, there are interesting moments there too. If I can get rid of or tame something, I will tell exactly how to make a transformer into a generator. In addition, the direction just opened in the direction of CAPAGEN and others.
Holcomb himself probably does not fully understand how it works, judging from the estimates of his explanations, visitors who have the appropriate profile education.
By the way, I want to repeat the simplest generator with a core (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsIaMhEtAPaijm1_6cHRxiiVa0P6V6yMgUcysRQBr59zNppKYEeY80YT4DEK6jbNNr55f9Di54xWxGQl-tP0rJUbflnOFdAcRmWvk6Fr27_9eLoY5qIn7bR0Qng68KW9ndtcWdhrmWl0LGNwe88NT95jchyLWvErBddvb-hFcNNRcBCB05zDDU2BHS/s894/2022-10-22_121342.jpg), only without magnetic rotating rotor, but with an electromagnetic solid-state, this is to consolidate the whole theory to popularize the method.
"To understand how a synchronous alternator works, where the winding is in the slot or on the coil core, it is enough to consider the simplest synchronous alternator. It does not matter what will cause the change of magnetic flux in the core, a mechanical magnetic rotor or a solid-state fixed solenoid switching system according to a given algorithm (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHfE62imkiHWynHA8IH5nOxj0ZuFqw9tOKvgxS5lf6FVsNno7z4i1VM8w0tOhv3QQcBro2Mp4XjU7Y7x8meeWiWrJXmzGue8i4hZXQ7mn5VDIhZWPhWPU-mkdmxGdzBJoFKvqSbpTzmlHGC6hDgkMizL-SxvQroilKZCIadmR5LSatLhny8NJcfaxytVw/s1038/2023-06-23_115337.jpg)."
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Recent Update
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
"Astra also plans to deploy Holbomb Energy Systems ( www.holcombenergysystems.com (http://www.holcombenergysystems.com) )
cutting-edge In-Line Power Generator solution to amplify the project's output, helping to support
Zanzibar's move toward energy independence."
Astra Energy Inc. www.astraenergyinc.com (http://www.astraenergyinc.com)
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on June 23, 2023, 02:47:26 AM
I have that. From drum VCR. There you go?
The coil is whole covered of ferrite.
I can do my experiment. :)
Sadly, you have no idea what you are talking about. The wire must be in the middle (hole) of the magnetically conducting ring. In the ring the magnetic field changes without finding, in the hole the wires of the primary excitation circuit.
ILPG multiplies power output by over 200%
Keep in mind these units (likely "Beta Prototypes") are probably configured using
Commercial Off-the_Shelf (COTS) Electrical Steel since it's readily available and
low cost (maybe even using salvaged motor or generator frames), thus the 2X.
More exotic (and expensive) electrical steels and Soft Magnetic Compounds (SMC)
can provide enhanced performance - study the B-H Curves for more details...
SL
Hi All,
How many times do you see someone claiming they knows how these free energy device works, but can't build a single unit?
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on June 24, 2023, 04:06:23 AM
Hi All,
How many times do you see someone claiming they knows how these free energy device works, but can't build a single unit?
Tom
Tom - You're Funny! (Or you just can't read, not sure which, but it doesn't matter at this point, does it!)
Or, are you showing your jealous colours - well, just relax and enjoy the show! ;D
SOME OF YOU POOR BASTARDS CAN"T HANDLE IT
I guess NOBODY built these... ;) Just mad because no one would do it for you.
Go buy one!
Rant:
FWIW - you know there was a time quite a while back that I tried working with you guys to develop the HES,
and, in particular the LinGen, but the only feedback I got from you all was SHIT.
So, after many many attempts at working together with you guys on this project, I gave up with the cooperation
thing and just dropped some important information from time to time.
No one on these forums seems to have the ability to figure even simple things out, like how magnetic domains
work in ferrous materials, or how Faraday's Law works, etc.. Plus, staying on-topic seems impossible for most.
After a while one gets sick of the idiot comments and mindless attacks - thus the approach of "you're on your own"
and a simple "Good Luck" eventually takes over.
It took me a while to learn these threads and forums are nothing more than a DUMPSTER! Should have realized
this sooner, since nothing of value has come from these forums in over 10 years, but you keep trying; being from
the old school. Having a zero tolerance for stupid perople makes these forms even harder to put up with.
The design, development, analysis and testing progressed quietly and enough was shared to "build your own
working system" with little effort but no one was interested - my many past posts bare this out.
So if you somehow you feel cheated - you all cheated yourselves - fact. Basically - you fucked up big time,
and you did it to youself, all by yourself - so blame yourselves - this is a fact!
I'd wish you all good luck but since you're all a big gang of assholes with huge egos, I won't even bother!
You can carry on about this post all you want, but I could care less and most others won't either I'm sure...
Soon you can go the local Walmart and buy one and I won't feel a single bit of pain over it - you all got what
you deserved IMHO. Couldn't have happened to a more useless, self important, bunch of dip shits.
SL
SL Brainiac
Your own post shows nothing, just a troll who claim they know how Holcomb technology works.
Why would I buy something, when I have the skill to build it?
Anytime you think you're man enough, we can do any type of build off. It would be fun just to show off my skills and your expert skills you claim you have!
I'm waiting....
All I seen was your big mouth talk crap, why not shut up and prove to everyone you have a working device!
Kids these days, all talk and nothing to show!
Tom
Holcomb static alternator works, in any case, such a design, which simulates the rotation of the magnetic rotor with a constant magnetic field.
If you turn on three electromagnets simultaneously, on one pole, and to switch and simulate rotation along 2π line, on the side of rotation direction, and on the other side turn off, the total magnetic flux will not practically change its value. The technology is absolutely working. It is essentially an armature winding system with coils included in a coil-brush assembly. It makes no difference to the field in the armature whether the armature itself rotates with the collector or whether the brushes on the surface of the lamellae of the static collector rotate.
The second aspect of such a device is the excitation of the field from the phase. This occurs in the same way as in a synchronous generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
P.S.
If you don't want to get into it, that's your problem.
Quote from: TommeyReed on June 24, 2023, 06:30:20 AM
SL Brainiac
Your own post shows nothing, just a troll who claim they know how Holcomb technology works.
Why would I buy something, when I have the skill to build it?
Anytime you think you're man enough, we can do any type of build off. It would be fun just to show off my skills and your expert skills you claim you have!
I'm waiting....
All I seen was your big mouth talk crap, why not shut up and prove to everyone you have a working device!
Kids these days, all talk and nothing to show!
Tom
TommeyReed,
My post shows the "
FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE TO BE INTRODUCED TO THE WORLD AT LARGE"
And your celebratory congradulations to all those who contributed to this "Fantastic News" is a stupid
5 year old post or two - really!
How old are you... Never mind answering, I can see it's reflected in your posts :(
A build-off ??? With your skill set, ROTF LOL!
Your only a legend in your own mind, like most others who hang here - you, and others, records speak for themselves .
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THIS "OVERUNITY" so called "FREE ENERGY FORUM"
is nothing more than a "BIG GARBAGE PIT" and Laughing Stock to those skilled-in-the-art Enjoy your Dumpster Dive with all your buddies! ;D Meanwhile, those that can do it will simply carry on.. without
your jealous rage, stupid comments and $0.02 videos that show nothing. You should be ashamed!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on June 24, 2023, 11:58:23 AM
Do your own tests - that is, if you can figure out how to do that...
Hi SL,
Posted here as not to sidetrack Julian's topic. Thanks for chiming in there. Thinking about it, that test would be great for your device, wouldn't it?
bi
The only tests that matter at this point IMO, are those that have been run by Astra, HES and the company chosen to manufacture ILPG 1.0. I bet there were several under NDA and up for consideration. A choice was made. Can't wait to learn who it is...
LL
Quote from: dsquared18 on June 30, 2023, 05:01:59 PM
...
I remain optimistic of HES (and now G.L.I.P)... if still wanting to see some proof. Faith may be the evidence of things unseen, but scientific method is what tells you if something's true or not (ie. prove it or move it).
Holcomb and Astra don't seem to be hiding in the shadows - they've been open about their clients and so that proof should soon be forthcoming, if it's real. Then I'm sure we'll see a lot more serious attempts to replicate and the 'nay sayers' will be ostracized.
...
Cheers,
D2
Hi D
2,
I copied your post in the other thread and reply here because I thought it was a more appropriate place. The reader can click the quote header to link back to its original source if interested. But I just wanted to voice my opinion: Holcomb has not "been open about their clients".
I see nothing forthcoming from HES about the Tennessee car dealership installation. Further information had it being multiple units, failed* and reinstalled 3 times over the course of a year and each time, his utility power bill increased. Also word of a failed commercial installation in the Midwest.
The only testing available to see is there own. The DNV-GL report was just a witness of Holcomb's own in-house and a poor one at that. It appears Holcomb's reports on consumption were actually Demand Usage, which is not actually energy consumption as claimed.
I see shadows all over. I would love to see a complete list of sales and installation reports. Also a link where one can obtain the appendix to the DNV-GL report would be nice.
I have heard about "independent" testing but never able to view any such test.
bi
* failed meaning performance failure, specifically NO energy savings, resulting in increased utility power bills following commencement of operation of the HES product.
:)
Thanks Bi,
You might be correct. The jury is still out, and we need to see some real proof (not hearsay, not nice artistic impressionistic paintings/drawings, not imagination gone totally nuts). We need them to have some big, unequivocal, unarguable, rigorously tested, success.
I remain optimistic, though.
Do I 'believe'? No. Humans are the one lifeform we know about who spend a lot of their time telling lies - mostly due to little green pieces of paper or being totally delusional. Humans have become very good at it because over the years it's been discovered that most humans are also very gullible and will happily believe something they want to believe - often because the truth would be harder to bear. Both sides of that coin are survival techniques. Humans also make mistakes, even great humans, especially in new fields where it seems we still have much to learn. I've been taught for most of my life that the universe started with a big bang, some of the most brilliant minds the world has ever seen told me so. Now in the last few weeks and months we're beginning to wonder if that is really true... the facts, the proofs, look a little shaky alongside the theory all of a sudden (or is that the other way around?).
Do I hope? Yes. It doesn't stop the experimentation here. It cannot stop the thinking and logical discussion here, the building of theories, testing them, rejecting them when we find out it just doesn't work that way - I do believe that's why most of us come here, to learn truths, not blindly, not with blinkers on, from each other's investigations (forgive me if you think I assume to much - I know some who would). I came here to learn, to watch those with much more experience than I work it out together, politely and supportively.
In my line of work, having evidence, real data and proofs is critical, because otherwise we miss things, we get things wrong, we upset and affect the lives and the living of too many people who would not deserve it, so I think I'm completely with you in being healthily skeptical until they finally put something concrete in front of the world and we can all say 'oh yes, that's it! That's it!'
But yes, still optimistic. ;)
Cheers,
D2
There are two points that I personally see.
#1
There is one problem of any synchronous generator, which operates to output mains voltage with mains frequency - it is to maintain generation with output of appropriate parameters of mains voltage and frequency. In Ukraine there is a massive increase in the use of single-phase gasoline generators, which very often fail due to gross violations of their operation. The Holcomb system has the same problem of adjustment to the network conditions with the load (and sometimes very sharp, for example, when you turn off 2/3 of the load the current in the circuit drops dramatically, which makes it very difficult to keep the operating magnetic field in the generator stator). I don't think it's impossible to organize operation when the connected load changes abruptly. It's already the cost and engineering of the equipment that performs these tasks. This is where I see the problem with the Holcomb system.
For a personal, generated device, it is easier to make a variant of the charger similar to a mini hydro or wind generator. Adjust only the output voltage in the active rectifier unit. Provide for load ballast in case of abrupt disconnection of the main load. Shut down the generator when its mode can be considered useless in view of the minimum mains load, which can be handled by the storage batteries.
Once again, the Holcomb system, I mean the synchronous electromagnetic generator with a solid-state electromagnetic rotor, works the same algorithm as any synchronous generator only with a mechanical electromagnetic rotor. Do you doubt the operation of generators that provide energy to our civilization in the 20th and 21st century?https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
#2
The problem is not technical solutions, but commerce and politics, was before and is now:
https://rense.com/general95/worldfre.htm
QuoteFour Invisible Forces
There are four giant forces that have worked together to create this situation. To say that the conspiracy is and has been The suppression of this technology leads only to a superficial understanding of the world, and it places the blame for this entirely outside of ourselves. Our willingness to remain ignorant and inactive in the face of this situation has always been interpreted by two of these forces as implied consent. So, apart from an undemanding public, what other forces are there that prevent access to free energy technology?
In the United States and in most other countries around the World there is a monopoly of money. I am free to make as much money as I want, but I will only be paid in Federal Reserve bills. There is nothing I can do to be paid in gold certificates or any other form of money. This monopoly of money is solely in the hands of a small number of people private stock banks, and these banks are owned by the richest families in the world. Their plan is to eventually control 100% of all the capital resources of the world, and thus control everyone's life through the availability (or lack thereof) of all goods and services.
"Growing your own food and generating your own electricity is like printing your own money."
I am really enjoying your posts Serge.
Thank you.
D2
Quote from: TommeyReed on June 24, 2023, 06:30:20 AM
SL Brainiac
Your own post shows nothing, just a troll who claim they know how Holcomb technology works.
Why would I buy something, when I have the skill to build it?
Anytime you think you're man enough, we can do any type of build off. It would be fun just to show off my skills and your expert skills you claim you have!
I'm waiting....
All I seen was your big mouth talk crap, why not shut up and prove to everyone you have a working device!
Kids these days, all talk and nothing to show!
Tom
Hi TommeyReed,
After some "settling down on my part"
I'll accept your challenge of a "build off."
However, let us look at this as a collaborative effort rather than a challenge.
Briefly; we need a device that can "wind coils" in a more efficient manner (see the attachment below)
so we should attempt designing and building a device that can do that (
I noticed you have fabricated
a wind device). Hand wound coils are very time consuming!
My "
build off" proposal is this:
Fabricate a winding machine that can do an "Orthocyclic Method of Coil Winding" (described below).
Should you be interested in this cahllenge, we can arrange funding, etc. (you keep all rights, etc.) and
we will license the design from you; plus, the project will be funded by our group (Cost Plus if need be;
within reason of course).
PM me with your poposal (but do not include details of how you would technically achieve this prior to
executing a non-disclosure).
A typical method might involve using "Open Builds" components and a "Flowcode v10" controller. Keep
in mind that the "Coils" are rectangular (both Pole and Lap) to suite the LinGen V1.0, however the
physical shape should be configurable to meet future designs.
Best Regards,
Solarlab
SL,
So you expect me to built a coil winding device while you sit back and do nothing?
Did you just buy one?
Lets make it more interested with a design that we both have to agree on and the forum approve!
I'm no beginner in building anything, but I'm also no fool.
Sounds like you can't build it in the first place and expect me to do all the hard work!
I think we need a YouTube build off so it's a open source, not something we can license.
This is a open source forum, already your showing your true motive of $$$.
Unlike others, I am open source and not into changing the world to become rich!
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on July 02, 2023, 06:56:28 AM
SL,
So you expect me to built a coil winding device while you sit back and do nothing?
Did you just buy one?
Lets make it more interested with a design that we both have to agree on and the forum approve!
I'm no beginner in building anything, but I'm also no fool.
Sounds like you can't build it in the first place and expect me to do all the hard work!
I think we need a YouTube build off so it's a open source, not something we can license.
This is a open source forum, already your showing your true motive of $$$.
Unlike others, I am open source and not into changing the world to become rich!
Tom
TommyReed, Did you just buy one? -
Not Yet, that's why I posted the RFP.
Lets make it more interested with a design that we both have to agree on and the forum approve!
- Sure, however you want to stipulate the terms is fine by me.
----------------
Again:
My "
build off" proposal was this:
Fabricate a winding machine that can do an "
Orthocyclic Method of Coil Winding" (described below).
Should you be interested in this cahllenge, we can arrange funding, etc. (you keep all rights, etc.) and
we will license the design from you; plus, the project will be funded by our group (Cost Plus if need be;
within reason of course).
PM me with your poposal (but do not include details of how you would technically achieve this prior to
executing a non-disclosure).
A typical method might involve using "Open Builds" components and a "Flowcode v10" controller. Keep
in mind that the "Coils" are rectangular (both Pole and Lap) to suite the LinGen V1.0, however the
physical shape should be configurable to meet future designs.
------------------ Yes, of course, one of my major motivations is $$$. That's required to get things advanced and out there!
However, as you know, I have given a ton of free, open source, information regarding excess energy
devices on this, and other, threads. If you are undable to see that for what ever reasons,that's unfortunate.
You can show your work on Youtube as well, no problem, even though we have paid you to do it (under contract
as I've specified above).
It's a complex 3-axis design, I will admit, and it may take some "out-of-the-box" thinking; but good results
using "hand wound" coils is significant.
No problem if you are not interested - yes, it could be a lot of work and require some advanced engineering,
expert level software programming, and unique fabrication!
SL
F.Y.I.
More data - Florida Power and Light (FPL) meter reading - HES posted 02Jul23
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
SL
SL,
You're own statement show you are not for helping the world to be a better place, paying me or anyone else is not what this forum is about!
I am a open forum guy, this is more important then trying to make money on this forum.
When we speak of "FREE ENERGY", it's to free us all from control of governments. If we are here to sell something, then this forum may not be for those who do.
This is why we have problems today, the love of money!
The love of money, energy and control is truly the root of all the evil in this world, I will not be part of this!
Too many inventors look at the dollar as the answer to energy problems, not realizing they themselves are no different then big oil or other companies charging insane prices to keep people as slave worker.
We should be working together and willing to change the world with true free energy. When information is out in public, it would be very hard for someone to patent it.
What makes anyone think they can change the world by selling free energy, the governments will take it all at no cost to life.
Giving the world free energy is the best outcome for our generation to come!
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on July 02, 2023, 06:58:55 PM
SL,
You're own statement show you are not for helping the world to be a better place, paying me or anyone else is not what this forum is about!
I am a open forum guy, this is more important then trying to make money on this forum.
When we speak of "FREE ENERGY", it's to free us all from control of governments. If we are here to sell something, then this forum may not be for those who do.
This is why we have problems today, the love of money!
The love of money, energy and control is truly the root of all the evil in this world, I will not be part of this!
Too many inventors look at the dollar as the answer to energy problems, not realizing they themselves are no different then big oil or other companies charging insane prices to keep people as slave worker.
We should be working together and willing to change the world with true free energy. When information is out in public, it would be very hard for someone to patent it.
What makes anyone think they can change the world by selling free energy, the governments will take it all at no cost to life.
Giving the world free energy is the best outcome for our generation to come!
Tom
Tommey,
For what's it worth - This forum has been going for >10 years and the results have been "nothing - no Excess Energy or FE devices.
However, in less than a year and a half I have brought to light an Excess Energy and FE device methodology and one scheme to
implement it. This has all been given to everyone, by me, for free - open source.
Lecturing me about all these great things you profess is a waist of time - you're preaching to the choir! So save your richious soapbox for
someone who doesn't know or care about the real hard facts! Thanks.
Can you build the "Orthocycle Coil Winder? And, if so, are you interested in doing so? If not, then simply - STFU!
Your "self-endulgement, ultra glorifying, rhetoric is boring at best - simply put, put-a-cork-in-it, until you invent an FE device and can support
it using modern, proven, CAE Analysis!
And, BTW, youtube doesn't cut it - just ask Hartiberlin how that's worked out!
SL
SL,
You like many people are fools to think this subject is the real deal, unlike most of you I know for a fact Holcomb is nothing what most of you claim as free energy.
Until you all can prove a working model, you like many should be call out and PROVE IT!
Many of you have used this forum to sell, misinformed and flat out lied to your followers. Yet it seems you would rather see this OverUnity site shut down, instead of helping to stay alive.
Instead of trying to help, you are just creating misinformation and lies. Make me think wouldn't your own government do that also?
Clearly you show your true colors, greed. More power to you, but one thing is very clear. We all will answer to GOD in the end, only foolish people will laugh it off.
Now as free energy is concern, solar, wind and hydroelectric is free energy to a point. But clowns like you would claim they have a total free energy device at a cost to everyone.
I'm still exploring ways to increase efficiency and even ways to create my own energy.
So I use YouTube and you also have Rumble now. I'm not a talker like you, I really build stuff and put it up to show others.
I don't ask for any money and even turn down offers. If you truly believe in helping to solve these problems of energy, even if it's a low cost way to produce cheap energy, what's wrong with that SL?
Yet too many fools, that is not enough. So we see on these forum scam of making free energy using coils, magnets and a little snake oil to fool many.
So people like you talk BS, add a little fantasy and snake oil claiming they know how it works. Yet not a single working prototype!
Maybe you need Christ in you life, so far you're not helping the world to be a better place for all!
Tom
Over the years many have written about business ventures to advance FE technology .
IMO
Open sourcing FE tech is priority number one !(yes I know this is not just one man's opinion)
While I can't really follow Solarlabs diversity in contributions ( seems quite spread around)
He has written that his project is all in these contributions on these few open source forums (" open sourced")
He feels what he has posted show's promise?
Time will tell ( I hope )
I know I have had this argument over the years with builders, saying things like
"Get it to Elon Musk"
First get it out to the world..
Globally...
One thing is certain, no one has done this yet
Would be nice to have open source community be the first to get it done
We definitely have almost unlimited talent... and resources would surely follow !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Regardless opinions
We really do need to try to keep moving forward ( not get caught up in conflicts
All Who carry water for this cause are assets to the cause .
Yeah I know ....it's complicated...( working ...not working...?( Tech s) etc etc
E acconsentirei a tutto, e avvolgerei il tuo filo con le mie mani. :)
Soprattutto se hanno dato any soldi. Se solo mi portassero via da qui.
Fatta eccezione per i servizi sessuali. ;)
Tom/All,
Again:
Can you build the "Orthocycle Coil Winder?
And, if so, are you interested in doing so?
If not, then simply SAY SO!...
It's not a "trick question," For example, a very straight forward answer -
YES, I can build an "Orthocycle Coil Winder"; but I don't want to, for whatever reason
(your reasons/excuses are not required nor needed).
It can't get more straight forward. Forget the "bla bla bla" non-sense... "Fools and God" have nothing to do with
it! [A simple: Yes, I can build one; but No, I won't build one - but thank you for asking!]
SL
The attached FPL Meter measurements look like "Excess Energy" to me!
Physical proof, in fact, from 02 July 2023. That's what you want - well here it is...
and, yes, HES has many Youtubes as well (your most favoured proof).
Before I forget:
Have a view and then (seriously) think about it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4F061j_Qm0
SL
@ SL, off topic but interesting, most likely switching to iron nitride. Although, since magnetic fields don't rotate on their magnetization axis with the right arrangement you could just amplify the magnets field just by spinning it.
Quote from: SolarLab on July 03, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Tom/All,
Again:
Can you build the "Orthocycle Coil Winder?
And, if so, are you interested in doing so?
If not, then simply SAY SO!...
It's not a "trick question," For example, a very straight forward answer -
The important thing is Astra is bringing it to market.....
https://twitter.com/astraenergyinc/status/1675957253860466689?s=61&t=obr-8ILZXi1ctaPgZO4ZEg
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on July 03, 2023, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: SolarLab on July 03, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Tom/All,
Again:
Can you build the "Orthocycle Coil Winder?
And, if so, are you interested in doing so?
If not, then simply SAY SO!...
It's not a "trick question," For example, a very straight forward answer -
The important thing is Astra is bringing it to market.....
https://twitter.com/astraenergyinc/status/1675957253860466689?s=61&t=obr-8ILZXi1ctaPgZO4ZEg
LL
That tweet tells me all I need to know.
Astra is all in.. and now the A-HES joint venture is going to change the lives of so many throughout the World.. it's just the begining!
The next PR regarding the ILPG/A-HES is gong to be interesting.. fortunes will be made..
ASRE
OK, time for my July 4th "Wild Ass Guess (WAG)!"
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4F061j_Qm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4F061j_Qm0)
- AC Induction Motors don't use Rare Earth Minerals,
- The first (original) Tesla Electric Car used an Induction Motor,
- HES Stand-Alone is already tested for AC Output!
Like I say - it's a "WAG" ;) But, then again, Elon Musk is a WAG!
SL
SolarLab,
It is impossible that in 1931 Tesla electric car had AC motor, moreover asynchronous. If it was so, then it would be no less a discovery, which I would appreciate more than his high-voltage transformer generating high voltage potential. It seems that you have no idea what is an asynchronous motor, which should be switched into different modes of operation, dramatically changing its speed and so on. I would really like to see that controller without which asynchronous motor on electric car is impossible. I mean, the controller on Tesla's electric car in 1931 with which it was supposed to drive an 80 hp AC induction motor.
For that other sources for electric car on board (electromechanical and static) history of that time and later knows enough, but the blind do not want to know it, it is more profitable to stay in the illusion and feed it to the flock of sheep.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2023, 01:10:49 AM
SolarLab,
It is impossible that in 1931 Tesla electric car had AC motor, moreover asynchronous. If it was so, then it would be no less a discovery, which I would appreciate more than his high-voltage transformer generating high voltage potential. It seems that you have no idea what is an asynchronous motor, which should be switched into different modes of operation, dramatically changing its speed and so on. I would really like to see that controller without which asynchronous motor on electric car is impossible.
For that other sources for electric car on board (electromechanical and static) history of that time and later knows enough, but the blind do not want to know it, it is more profitable to stay in the illusion and feed it to the flock of sheep.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html)
Rakarskiy,
I meant the "Elon Musk" (recent - original) Tesla Car - The modern one. Sorry for the confusion.
The original "Nicola Tesla" unfortunately, I'm sure, is enjoying another dimension... (looking down laughing at us all, probably!)
Thanks for the correction! I'll try to be more clarifying in the future; so no one gets too confused, without watching the video.
SL
I think you have no idea about the first "modern Tesla Car (Elon Musk)" or how it worked. And many know how asynchronous motor
works - not sure which Asynchronous Motor your refering to, however. Maybe you're the one who is blind, or just confused!
BTW, if you check - I said "Induction Motor" was in the original modern Tesla (Elon Musk car)... FFS
What the Hell is wrong with you guys?
I can appreciate you all wanted to be first with an Excess Energy (FE) device, me too, but we
were not - so get over it and move on!
Develop, design, fabricate and field more devices and/or enhance the one that we now have!
Don't sit there and stew about it - it's water under the bridge...
The first thing Musk did when creating his electric car was to go to Joe Flynn. Where, representatives of the elite controllers, rudely pointed him to the proper place.
He equipped the first model with a pair of asynchronous motors, later abandoned the idea. The first models had about 60-70 kWh of power.
Already the latest versions of the Tesla have motors with a magnetic rotor. So installing an asynchronous motor on a Tesla is no feat or innovation at all.
Just look at the controller and the power circuit to see how ridiculous, maybe, the claim that Nikola Tesla's car had a 60 kW asynchronous motor is. And everything that happened with the modern Tesla from Ilona Musk confirms this.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2023, 04:54:57 AM
The first thing Musk did when creating his electric car was to go to Joe Flynn. Where, representatives of the elite controllers, rudely pointed him to the proper place.
He equipped the first model with a pair of asynchronous motors, later abandoned the idea. The first models had about 60-70 kWh of power.
Already the latest versions of the Tesla have motors with a magnetic rotor. So installing an asynchronous motor on a Tesla is no feat or innovation at all.
Just look at the controller and the power circuit to see how ridiculous, maybe, the claim that Nikola Tesla's car had a 60 kW asynchronous motor is. And everything that happened with the modern Tesla from Ilona Musk confirms this.
Although I'm not a fan of Wikipedia; the Tesla Roadster (first generation) is covered in detail there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(first_generation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(first_generation)
Some tech info from MIT:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2008/08/19/219217/tesla-roadster-2/ (https://www.technologyreview.com/2008/08/19/219217/tesla-roadster-2/)
A quote from the MIT article -
1 . Electric MotorMost electric cars have used direct-current electric motors that rely on permanent magnets.
The motor in Tesla's Roadster doesn't have any magnets; instead, it uses stacks of patterned
metal plates and wires that generate electromagnetic fields. Such motors,
called alternating-current induction motors, were first advocated in the late 19th century by
Nikola Tesla, for whom the company is named. The company picked AC induction motors
because they're simple, reliable, and efficient at a wide range of speeds.
2. TransmissionThe first version of the Roadster featured a two-speed transmission, the first gear for quick starts
(0 to 60 miles per hour in under four seconds) and the second gear for top speeds
(over 120 miles per hour). But problems with that transmission delayed production.
Thanks to a redesigned motor and higher-performance transistors that deliver more power, it has
been replaced by a single-speed transmission.
3. Power Electronics ModuleThe motor does two things: it converts electricity from the battery into torque for acceleration, and it
helps slow the car during braking, converting some of the car's kinetic energy into electricity that's
stored in the battery. A computer chip called the digital motor controller regulates the shuttling of
power between the motor and battery. It can deliver acceleration so fast it hurts: Tesla's engineers
had to dial back the power to achieve a smoother start.
No mention of Joe Flynn or elite controllers, nor dual (pair) of asynchronous motors.
From the Technical Manual (CD):
| ENGINE SPECS - AC induction (248 HP) |
|
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| Power: | 182.4 KW @ 4500-8500 RPM
248 HP @ 4500-8500 RPM
245 BHP @ 4500-8500 RPM |
| Torque: | 273 lb-ft @ 0-4500 RPM
370 Nm @ 0-4500 RPM |
| Fuel System: | 53 kWh 375 V lithium-ion battery |
| Fuel: | Electric
|
Just a quote:
QuoteThe inverter/electric motor combination was first used on the General Motors EV1 electric car. Later, Italian physicist Giuseppe Cocconi created an improved version of this transmission, which appeared on the AC Propulsion Tzero. But this car did not reach serial production. But the future co-founder of Tesla Motors, Martin Eberhard, who founded the company in honor of the great physicist Nikola Tesla, together with Mark Tarpenning, later joined by Ilon Musk, turned his attention to this electric car.
Depending on the model, Tesla cars are equipped with one or two electric motors. For example, the rear-drive Tesla Model S is equipped with a 3-phase, 4-pole induction motor (top right). Inverter drive electronics (left). The 9.73:1 gearbox and rear differential (center) are assembled in a single oil-filled part at the rear of the car. The rear wheels are driven directly by this unit.
The car has no clutch or transmission (no gear shift, no Neutral mode). You can start the engine "forward" to move forward and "reverse" to move backward. Power ~400Vdc comes from the battery pack through two heavy orange cables going to the inverter, where it converts the electricity to 3-phase alternating current.
All-wheel-drive Tesla Model S models have a similar front-wheel drive with a second asynchronous motor and 8.28:1 gearbox, which drives the front wheels directly.
The Tesla Model 3 uses this motor on the rear wheels: https://1gai.ru/uploads/cache/thumbs/750/8/f/750_0_8f7e03ab7d3bd95606cffbc03ce5592f.webp
The induction motor is of course a terrific motor. But it's not perfect. The Tesla motor uses an expensive and difficult-to-make rotor made of copper. And due to the nature of asynchronous motors, the rotor tends to heat up and even overheat. Heat is wasted energy (known as i 2 r loss). In an electric motor, this makes a huge difference. The asynchronous electric motor is also not as efficient at low speeds, unlike other motors. Therefore, this technology is open to new solutions that would lead to more efficient electric motors as well as lower production costs.
My point (July 4th WAG) was simply this:
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OK, time for my July 4th "Wild Ass Guess (WAG)!"
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4F061j_Qm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4F061j_Qm0)
- AC Induction Motors don't use Rare Earth Minerals,
- The first (original) Tesla Electric Car used an Induction Motor,
- HES Stand-Alone is already tested for AC Output!
Like I say - it's a "WAG" ;) But, then again, Elon Musk is a WAG!
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In other words - don't be suprise if the HES gets put into a Tesla Electric vehicle
using an induction motor (similar to what the original car used), since that would
eliminate, or reduce, the rare earth content to zero, reduce weight and get rid of
having to charge it - and, Musk is just the guy to do it on a large scale.
That's it - a simple WAG... A comment - it doesn't need any discussion or long technical dribble!
Man, I give up with you guys, really!
Dreamer, however!
At present, the Holcomb generation system for example for 10-15 kW of output power, under the condition of autonomous operation, with the system of control and formation of the output voltage, only as a two-axle trailer behind a Tesla electric car.
Be realistic! It works - it does not mean that the system does not have its own mass-size capabilities!
Quote from: SolarLab on July 04, 2023, 06:49:49 AM
...
Like I say - it's a "WAG" ;) But, then again, Elon Musk is a WAG!
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In other words - don't be suprise if the HES gets put into a Tesla Electric vehicle
using an induction motor (similar to what the original car used), since that would
eliminate, or reduce, the rare earth content to zero, reduce weight and get rid of
having to charge it - and, Musk is just the guy to do it on a large scale.
That's it - a simple WAG... A comment - it doesn't need any discussion or long technical dribble!
Man, I give up with you guys, really!
If Holcomb's scheme had any validity, Elon would own it by now.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 04, 2023, 07:52:55 AM
If Holcomb's scheme had any validity, Elon would own it by now.
bi
I don't think Elon Musk, in his current state, is interested in the Holcomb Energy System! The Holcomb Energy System is in its infancy, and if it threatens the system, it will be shut down like the previous ones (bought, taken away, made unnecessary for the market, etc.) Elon Musk is developing a system of "giant energy banks" that need a generation system to recharge. But Musk is as much a participant in the system as he is an energy producer. Perhaps they (system participants) already have certain devices that multiply power, additional dividends to optimize the cost per kW. In any case, at the output, this power, they should sell through the meter, and preferably at a higher price. Tesla should be expensive, comfortable, power-hungry. Fast to drive and fast to charge. Musk is not interested in Tesla autonomy.
In the video, Musk is shown talking of bringing the cost of Tesla EV's below $25k US within 3 years "if we work really hard".
D2
Quote from: dsquared18 on July 04, 2023, 08:35:00 AM
In the video, Musk is said to be talking of brining the cost of Tesla EV's below $25k US within 3 years.
D2
The cost is a convention.
For example you sold 100 pieces that cost USD1000 (100*1000= USD 100,000 ) Consume 1 kW per kilometer for USD 1. these 100 pieces will travel 1,000,000 km. (100,000*1= USD 100,000,000)
USD1,000,000 - USD 100,000 = USD 900,000.
We reduce the cost and increase the energy cost per kilometer to 2 units. We sell 500 pieces, USD 500 units (500*500 = USD 250,000) which will make 5,000,000 km (5,000,000 *2 = USD 10,000,000 ).
USD 10 000 000 units. - USD 250,000 units = USD 9,750,000.
In order to generate energy, it must be sold.
Hi All,
What is worse, a salesman selling you a over price truck or a Holcomb device that has never been tested and verified by any buyer?
Lots of chatter, but not a single company willing to buy a single unit and verify that they work. Those who did buy a unit, claims they are not even above 90% on your electric bill.
I think those who are pushing these system should be challenged ASP and prove to this forum they really work! Too many people, even on these forums are not being honest and won't even show a unit working as claimed!
Ever wonder why talk is cheap, because nobody is willing to do the hard work and verify these claims!
Tom
"The world used to be run by the smart ones. It was cruel. The smart ones made the dumb ones learn. It was hard on the dumb.
Now the world is run by dumb people. That's fair, because there are a lot more dumb people.
Now the smart ones learn to talk in a way that the dumb ones understand.
If a dumb person doesn't understand something, it's the smart person's problem.
It used to be the dumb people who suffered. Now the smart suffer. There are fewer sufferers because there are fewer and fewer smart people."
Mikhail Zhvanetsky. Odessa humorist, Jew.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 04, 2023, 01:19:22 PM
"The world used to be run by the smart ones. It was cruel. The smart ones made the dumb ones learn. It was hard on the dumb.
Now the world is run by dumb people. That's fair, because there are a lot more dumb people.
Now the smart ones learn to talk in a way that the dumb ones understand.
If a dumb person doesn't understand something, it's the smart person's problem.
It used to be the dumb people who suffered. Now the smart suffer. There are fewer sufferers because there are fewer and fewer smart people."
Mikhail Zhvanetsky. Odessa humorist, Jew.
Love it..
There is a simple way to participate in the commercialization of the A-HES technology... Embrace it.
This is the pivotal moment.
LL
LL
Quote from: TommeyReed on July 04, 2023, 11:56:28 AM
Hi All,
What is worse, a salesman selling you a over price truck or a Holcomb device that has never been tested and verified by any buyer?
Lots of chatter, but not a single company willing to buy a single unit and verify that they work. Those who did buy a unit, claims they are not even above 90% on your electric bill.
I think those who are pushing these system should be challenged ASP and prove to this forum they really work! Too many people, even on these forums are not being honest and won't even show a unit working as claimed!
Ever wonder why talk is cheap, because nobody is willing to do the hard work and verify these claims!
Tom
If you really wanted to know if it worked you would have been proactive. Contacted those who matter, who are advancing the technology, who have put their reputations on the line. and have skin in the game... Have you?
I know the answer. ..
Too bad. Get over it.
What have you done to deserve the sharing of the how and why?
You will have to wait and watch as it is revealed to the World...
It's taken al long time to arrive at this point in time... it is exactly the right time..
Initially... Holcomb and his investors are going to benefit , Astra Energy and their investors are going to benefit, the people of Zanzibar are going to benefit..
You will not.
Bang Bang
LL
Lottalead
QuoteYou will have to wait and watch as it is revealed to the World...
It's taken al long time to arrive at this point in time... it is exactly the right time..
Indeed, having been in the FE tech loop it's amazing Holcomb got this far.
Usually large corporations or investors set up fake foundations, investment groups or shell companies to acquire FE technologies. Once they have control they run them into the ground, bury them or bankrupt them with fake law suits. It looks like Holcomb may be playing it smart by acquiring a few credible investors and building the company on sales. It's slower but in the end the odds are magnitudes better they could succeed.
On claims the technology doesn't work. This could be the case but in many cases bad actors simply buy the technology, sabotage it then spam the internet with bad publicity and file fake law suits. Why wouldn't they?, if I wanted to ruin your company that's exactly what I would do. I would hire some dim wits to buy every unit unseen, sabotage them then file as many laws suits as it takes to destroy the company. Hell, I could even hire the same dim wits to spam every internet site claiming it doesn't work and it's a scam...easy peasy.
I think Rakarskiy nailed it with his last post. As I put it to some people/investors pushing me for information about FE technology. They are not even remotely intelligent enough to know whether I'm telling the truth or not. I could make up any kind of bs as to how a FE device works and they wouldn't have any idea whether it was true or not. It's like asking someone who has no idea how to change the tire on their car about the the benefits of direct versus throttle body fuel injection as it applies to a fixed versus variable inlet vane/inlet angle turbo engine. If they are clueless as to how one would go about changing a tire it's a mute point...
Having been in the loop and dealing with all the totally clueless business people/investors involved in FE tech it becomes obvious they are in effect brain dead and understand nothing about anything technical. It all comes down to this, we have a problem which could be any kind of problem and either we have the intelligence to solve it or we do not. It's that simple, either we can solve the problem at hand or we cannot. However blaming others for our own incompetence is a lesson in stupidity...
AC
The Engineering Challenge - Getting from Here to There
Only consider the "LinGen" design in the following, but these all likely apply
to many other developments as well.
Here's a few "WHAT IF'S" to consider just for shits and grins:
- Material (ferromagnetic); some Soft Magnetic Coumpounds (SMC) have characteristics
that are far superior to electrical steel (used in todays common motor/generator
construction). SMC's can be easily molded into non-traditional shapes taking full
advantage of a systems magnetic flux and conformal shapes.
- Coil windings (Orthocyclic); can achieve an "F (form factor)" very close to unity (1)
providing significant increases in system parameter performance. Wire shape, for
example hexagonal, further enhances performance. Automation speeds the process.
- Semiconductors (control electronics); new devices have switching and power
characteristics that are extremely efficient (Sic, GaN, etc.). High performance
microprocessors/microcontrollers at low cost are readily available, compact,
and easy to program, test, and implement. SuperCAPs are now within reach.
- Professional CAE (Computer Aided Engineering); detailed design and analysis
platforms shorten the development cycle to a few weeks or days without the
long and expensive prototype cycles while providing accurate, repeatable and
varifyable results. These are now in common use throught industry with trained
and skilled professionals readily available.
Four Basic Elements alone, when combined with a disruptive technology
such as the HES techniques, or others, once integrated and unleashed, will,
no doubt, change the world! And the cycle will be very short.
It's now up to us all to determine whether it will be for "better or worse" and
at what pace, and form, this change will take place!
Good luck Fellas... This is likely to be a lot of fun and very interesting.
So get busy, cut the BS, and solve the very few remaining challenges. Time is short before
the big "change" takes place! Let's be ready...
SL
I have chills...
-goosebumps cover my body
So few understand what is about to happen..
Everything is about to change.
LL
ZNPP - we shall see - but I hope not...
Quote from: onepower on July 04, 2023, 05:08:27 PM
Lottalead
Indeed, having been in the FE tech loop it's amazing Holcomb got this far.
AC
The system missed it. Of the 100 experts who monitor this subject, they conclude that it is impossible. Even now, with a background as an electrical engineer, most people look at Holcomb's system and clap their eyes.
Holcomb is a very successful MD, not an electrical engineer. In fact, those people who have visited him note that he operates with his own concepts rather than the traditional terms of electrodynamics and electrical engineering. The main thing is that he performed his generator in reality, and even in several hypostases. He also has a dynamic motor-generator converter with COP-4,0. Question, what prevents him to produce a small batch of 5 kW devices and sell, with the stamp "for scientific testing" without warranty and after-sales service (I know such episodes). This just shows that he knows the system, how it will react to such a move. He probably inherited the center (I had that info, I didn't check it) and they worked in the system, repairing electromechanical equipment motors/generators.
The patent doesn't mean anything at all, except to personalize the invention. "Means" for a ticket to life is certification and licensing. Service and maintenance network. Production of spare parts and much more. Selling and operating equipment with voltage of your certain value, without a license and certification in the "civilized" state of the system is impossible.
Rakarskiy
QuoteHolcomb is a very successful MD, not an electrical engineer. In fact, those people who have visited him note that he operates with his own concepts rather than the traditional terms of electrodynamics and electrical engineering. The main thing is that he performed his generator in reality, and even in several hypostases. He also has a dynamic motor-generator converter with COP-4,0.
Indeed, I found this to be true as well. Most successful FE inventors developed there own concepts first then tried to explain how it applied to conventional wisdom. They don't replicate stuff they invent new concepts and test them. As well, almost all FE inventors started with motors and/or generators then progressed to motionless systems. As such Holcomb's progress is very similar to all the other FE inventors.
QuoteQuestion, what prevents him to produce a small batch of 5 kW devices and sell, with the stamp "for scientific testing" without warranty and after-sales service (I know such episodes). This just shows that he knows the system, how it will react to such a move. He probably inherited the center (I had that info, I didn't check it) and they worked in the system, repairing electromechanical equipment motors/generators.
I agree, one would think the science community would be all over this but there not. Even the mention of this field of technology can get a scientist blacklisted. I was in the physics forums for a while doing psychological research on them and they display strange behavior. They seem to follow the primitive pattern of behavior of the "the crowd" described by Gustave Le Bon in his work. Hostility to new idea's, cherry picking facts, denial and then psychotic behavior when they don't get there way. I concluded it has become a cult of sorts demanding everyone think and act the same... not real science.
I think Holcomb is on the right track. The trick seems to be to remain independent not relying on others. As it stands they are an independent corporation beholden to no one. There customers and everyone else can take the technology or leave it and it makes no difference. If they don't like it don't buy it and nobody has the right to tell us what we should or should not be doing. As well, it's magnitudes more difficult to attack a corporation versus a person. People come and go but a corporation is not a person it's an entity.
AC
With the support from a professional electric motor construction and manufacturer I would like to create a testing unit.
Could anybody help and support us that we spend not too much useless money into the project ?
How about the book from Rakarsky...
I would like not to do the same mistakes as Holcomb did, still wonder how Clemente Figuera managed it more than 100 years ago....
I think the HES has a high base load. A single effect is only produced if the base load is significantly exceeded. In other words, the HES does not regulate itself according to the load, but operates within a fixed consumption window.
This would explain why it works and does not work in different circumstances
Quote from: skybiker63 on July 05, 2023, 01:21:39 PM
With the support from a professional electric motor construction and manufacturer I would like to create a testing unit.
Could anybody help and support us that we spend not too much useless money into the project ?
How about the book from Rakarsky...
I would like not to do the same mistakes as Holcomb did, still wonder how Clemente Figuera managed it more than 100 years ago....
I think the HES has a high base load. A single effect is only produced if the base load is significantly exceeded. In other words, the HES does not regulate itself according to the load, but operates within a fixed consumption window.
This would explain why it works and does not work in different circumstances
Start with the simplest generator. It can be made both with magnetic rotating rotor and with solid state. Instead of magnetic rotor insert an armature with statically placed windings and a brush-collector assembly, where to rotate the brushes around a static collector with lamellae. You can even make two identical stators, one with a mechanical magnetic rotor and one with a solid-state rotor and compare them. Take the cores from microwave fans. I have stated everything in plain text. Just do not think that it will be easy to calculate the phase.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Kromrey is the same flux-switching generator, only a more unfortunate design. It is easier to place magnets and windings stationary and rotate only the core-switching generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/05/blog-post.html
Quote from: onepower on July 04, 2023, 05:08:27 PM
Lottalead
Indeed, having been in the FE tech loop it's amazing Holcomb got this far.
Usually large corporations or investors set up fake foundations, investment groups or shell companies to acquire FE technologies. Once they have control they run them into the ground, bury them or bankrupt them with fake law suits. It looks like Holcomb may be playing it smart by acquiring a few credible investors and building the company on sales. It's slower but in the end the odds are magnitudes better they could succeed.
On claims the technology doesn't work. This could be the case but in many cases bad actors simply buy the technology, sabotage it then spam the internet with bad publicity and file fake law suits. Why wouldn't they?, if I wanted to ruin your company that's exactly what I would do. I would hire some dim wits to buy every unit unseen, sabotage them then file as many laws suits as it takes to destroy the company. Hell, I could even hire the same dim wits to spam every internet site claiming it doesn't work and it's a scam...easy peasy.
I think Rakarskiy nailed it with his last post.............
It's that simple, either we can solve the problem at hand or we cannot. However blaming others for our own incompetence is a lesson in stupidity...
The issue at hand has been solved.
This is going to get REALLY interesting ..
LL
AC
Quote from: skybiker63 on July 05, 2023, 01:21:39 PM
With the support from a professional electric motor construction and manufacturer I would like to create a testing unit.
Could anybody help and support us that we spend not too much useless money into the project ?
How about the book from Rakarsky...
I would like not to do the same mistakes as Holcomb did, still wonder how Clemente Figuera managed it more than 100 years ago....
I think the HES has a high base load. A single effect is only produced if the base load is significantly :)exceeded. In other words, the HES does not regulate itself according to the load, but operates within a fixed consumption window.
This would explain why it works and does not work in different circumstances
Mistakes? LOL
Technological refinement, many brilliant minds were added to the fold... once they found who they could trust... Astra..
It's already been done.. you're a year behind.
Good luck with your new venture ..
LL
LL
Quote from: bistander on July 04, 2023, 07:52:55 AM
If Holcomb's scheme had any validity, Elon would own it by now.
bi
Tesla does it now with real energy storage and real energy conversion in a well managed system. Way, way ahead of Holcomb make-believe nonsense.
bi
https://electrek.co/2023/07/05/tesla-electric-customers-report-making-150-day/
Quote from: bistander on July 05, 2023, 11:23:50 PM
Tesla does it now with real energy storage and real energy conversion in a well managed system. Way, way ahead of Holcomb make-believe nonsense.
bi
https://electrek.co/2023/07/05/tesla-electric-customers-report-making-150-day/
Tesla does not generate, Tesla buys at a low cost and provides stable value at peak times to users. It is a real battery buffer with a conversion system from the grid, to charge and from the battery, and back to the grid.
QuoteInstead of reacting to specific "events" and providing services to your local electric utilities, as Tesla Powerwall owners have done in VPPs in California, Tesla Electric is actively and automatically buying and selling electricity for Tesla Powerwall owners – providing a buffer against peak prices.
The company is essentially becoming an energy retailer.
Tesla Electric is currently only available to Powerwall owners in Texas, but the company has plans to expand its products through this new division.
In Texas, it is being tested through the ADER (Aggregate Distributed Energy Resource) Pilot Project, and it is proving really successful right now during some summer heat waves.
The Holcomb system is a power multiplication/amplification system.
You got something mixed up, if Holcomb, makes a big AC/DC charging station, for people who like to buy power "for cheap" and sell it "for dear", how will the system do in that case? By the way this is the best option for HES to generate even power to a big buffer storage unit.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 06, 2023, 12:05:14 AM
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You got something mixed up.
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I do not have anything "mixed up". I see things clearly. Tesla's system is a buffer, as I said. It works. No magic. Real science. Holcomb 's scheme is not real.
Tesla's works; Holcomb's does not work.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 06, 2023, 12:27:22 AM
I do not have anything "mixed up". I see things clearly. Tesla's system is a buffer, as I said. It works. No magic. Real science. Holcomb 's scheme is not real.
Tesla's works; Holcomb's does not work.
bi
This is purely your opinion, especially to compare the battery and the generator? The battery without a generator will never charge. Holcomb generator, the same synchronous electromagnetic machine, but only with switching electromagnets, not rotation of the mechanical magnetic rotor.
If you listen to you, then no synchronous electromagnetic generator in power generation plants works. By the way the control of a static generator is many times more complicated, but the principle of EMF and excitation of the magnetic field when the load is on is identical.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Robert Holcomb, clearly tells his visitors that he can take any stator from a four-pole, three-phase synchronous generator that will fit the size of his solid state rotor, and run electricity generation on it for the appropriate power. This is the most important point.
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Oh oh!
The more I delve into the subject of electromagnetic generator, the more it is confirmed that public education is turned inside out, so that the bulk of the specialists, in real processes do not understand. It is enough to give information a little crooked and all, there will be a steep deadlock, with lots of contradictions. You take the simplest generator with a magnetic rotor in which the EMF is calculated by the transformer formula (E=4.44ϕf). You change the rotor to a rod, with a primary winding, supply alternating current - already a transformer, in which the transformer formula of EMF does not work. The inter-torque transfer, which is calculated through the volt-curls, is in effect.
Bravo again Holcomb!
QuoteRobert Holcomb's solid state synchronous machine, works on the algorithm of a traditional electromechanical synchronous machine, generating electricity. A solid state rotor is a system of electromagnets that mimic the action of a mechanical magnetic rotor. The task is to create a magnetic excitation flux, hold it and move it in the stator and rotor, synchronously inducing EMF in the generator phases. When a load is connected, the excited current in the phase wires amplifies the magnetic field of the system's magnetic flux. The magnetic flux [ϕ] has a constant component, both for a traditional electromechanical generator machine and for a Holcomb solid state machine. The Holcomb machine, like the synchronous generator, depends heavily on the connected load to create a working rotating field.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Or one might study Armature Reaction.
bi
electrical4u.com/armature-reaction-in-synchronous
https://rb.gy/6xiaa
A good example (the post above) of how something is explained by trying to pull on a globe to explain the operation of a synchronous generator.
QuoteOnce the current starts flowing through the armature conductor, there is one reverse effect of this current on the main field flux of the alternator (or synchronous generator). This inverse effect is called the armature response in an alternator or synchronous generator. In other words, the effect of the armature (stator) flux on the flux created by the rotor field poles is called the armature response.
We already know that the current-carrying conductor creates its own magnetic field, and this magnetic field affects the main magnetic field of the generator.
It has two undesirable effects: it either distorts the main field or reduces the flux of the main field, or both. They impair the performance of the machine. When the field is distorted, it is known as the cross-magnetization effect. And when the field flux is reduced, it is called the demagnetizing effect
For example the secondary winding of a transformer, does it form a magnetic field in the core? The magnetic field of the transformer is added to or subtracted from the two windings or equal to the field from the field winding.
It is better to understand how the process of induction and interaction - excitation and phasing - takes place. What is no-load, active reactive and capacitive load, why does such an effect as "demagnetization" or "additional magnetization" occur, and most importantly, to what flux, the generator's no-load or operating magnetic flux. Then, what is the main flux of the generator and where does it come from if there is an idling flux.
Rakarskiy
I agree, and we could examine the common definition of armature reaction you posted...
QuoteOnce the current starts flowing through the armature conductor, there is one reverse effect of this current on the main field flux of the alternator (or synchronous generator). This inverse effect is called the armature response in an alternator or synchronous generator. In other words, the effect of the armature (stator) flux on the flux created by the rotor field poles is called the armature response.
We already know that the current-carrying conductor creates its own magnetic field, and this magnetic field affects the main magnetic field of the generator.
It has two undesirable effects: it either distorts the main field or reduces the flux of the main field, or both. They impair the performance of the machine. When the field is distorted, it is known as the cross-magnetization effect. And when the field flux is reduced, it is called the demagnetizing effect
When I read popular explanations like this I think of Mr. Rogers explaining something. Hey kids this thing the adults call a car works like this, we press a peddle on the floor and the thing under the hood goes bang bang making the wheels go whir whir and down the street we go. It is so deficient in real explanations/concepts and any detail to support them it becomes completely incoherent.
It's funny because all my electrical engineering friends try to pull this nonsense all the time. They use all these big words in common phrases they memorized but don't understand. Then I quiz them, what does that term you just used actually mean, conceptually, can you explain it?. Then they start rambling incoherently and I have to correct them explaining how the scientists who actually invented the term thought otherwise based on there own real experiments I read about in depth.
This is why we have to start at the beginning of electrical theory, do all our own experiments to prove all the basic concepts and build on what we learned. For example, did you know an electron current which flows across a large conductive plate never follows a straight line?. Most people claim electricity follows straight lines, the path of least resistance, shortest path but it's nonsense. I was curious, I'm always curious, so I tracked the current across all kinds of conductive plates with magnetometer/electrometer arrays and it quite literally never follows a straight line.
From what I have heard Holcomb's logic follows a similar pattern. He doesn't buy all the nonsense many seem to be peddling and he does his own experiments to develop his own concepts to determine his own facts. Otherwise were just following along hoping someone knows what there doing which seems like a weak proposition at best.
AC
:)
Hi OnePower!
This is the explanation of "highly educated" electrical engineers
QuoteOnce the current starts flowing through the armature conductor, there is one reverse effect of this current on the main field flux of the alternator (or synchronous generator). This inverse effect is called the armature response in an alternator or synchronous generator. In other words, the effect of the armature (stator) flux on the flux created by the rotor field poles is called the armature response.
We already know that the current-carrying conductor creates its own magnetic field, and this magnetic field affects the main magnetic field of the generator.
It has two undesirable effects: it either distorts the main field or reduces the flux of the main field, or both. They impair the performance of the machine. When the field is distorted, it is known as the cross-magnetization effect. And when the field flux is reduced, it is called the demagnetizing effect
You just have to ask them to sketch and show you on their fingers how it happens. The situation is even worse with phase calculations and the work of the generator itself to produce electricity. I don't even want to mention the transformer.
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Robert Holcomb, M.D., a neurologist, was, according to my information, a very successful magnetotherapist. I know a little bit about electro-magnetic therapy, their device, action and complexities, plus the demand for real, healing technology. Holcomb's family business is just electrical engineering, he's known about electricity and electrical machines since childhood. I think of the "clownish" explanation of how electric generators work from education, he's heard since childhood. Why did Holcomb's work work out? It's fortunate that a researcher with his opinion, experience in magnetism was given a technical platform with a license to do the work. In designing electric machines, designing a traditional synchronous generator is the ultimate aerobatics. At the same time, controlling the excitation of the mechanical electromagnetic rotor is a solvable task. But if you ask an electrical engineer what is the EMF in phase under load, he will swim. You won't find that kind of data in educational materials . So Dr. Holcomb is a master-creator of aerobatics, in the design of an electric generator, he was able to replace the mechanical electromagnetic rotor in the generator, by a static (solid-state) electromagnetic rotor.
And the whole "herd" of traditional electrical engineers and electrodynamic physicists will tell you that this is impossible, the electron does not work that way.
***
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Once again, I will give my opinion, which has not changed since my first statement about the work of the НES.
QuoteRobert Holcomb's solid state synchronous machine, works on the algorithm of a traditional electromechanical synchronous machine, generating electricity. A solid state rotor is a system of electromagnets that mimic the action of a mechanical magnetic rotor. The task is to create a magnetic excitation flux, hold it and move it in the stator and rotor, synchronously inducing EMF in the generator phases. When a load is connected, the excited current in the phase wires amplifies the magnetic field of the system's magnetic flux. The magnetic flux [ϕ] has a constant component, both for a traditional electromechanical generator machine and for a Holcomb solid state machine. The Holcomb machine, like the synchronous generator, depends heavily on the connected load to create a working rotating field.
Comparative figure of synchronous generator with mechanical electromagnetic rotor and НES (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjugIzjFSxWnNVuaXJPGLwwvJW78xE_yJmXHeVbG4cfMTAC5E-b23poB4svKYZn1onllPpS2gr9CnLCZ7pXgTzvsRtJS1KLU9MNRicVeVc2NLFJUrv-9i1soA3I2CvlPcQzEc6MLLU4UKcCHhHI89t4UWDJJSci-q9hPFRh8whCwLHxT5R8Z08cgAP/s1407/2023-06-18_144552.jpg)
Dr. Holcomb's basic thesis that he can take any four-pole synchronous generator stator of suitable size for his solid state rotor, and run it to generate electricity of appropriate power, is a testament to the way his system works.
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https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Rakarskiy,
You and many on this forum are pushing claims that are not verify in anyway.
"Dr. Holcomb's basic thesis that he can take any four-pole synchronous generator stator of suitable size for his solid state rotor, and run it to generate electricity of appropriate power, is a testament to the way his system works."....This is like saying a can take any shovel and pile up BS!
Now if I'm wrong about Holcomb with enough research of other who invested money on a none working system. Then I'm man enough to say I was wrong.
For those who are pushing this non proven Holcomb claims should be removed from OU for misleading others.
I know, I have no clue how Holcomb system works. Yeah, a little snake oil with simple solid state relay not including software can do wonders of making other think this is over unity.
The real facts is to have a claim of COP of 4, why even have it even connected to the grid? Now the COP is much lower ever wonder why?
Many of you claim to know how it works, yet not a single person has built a single working model, why not to complicated? SL wanted me to build a custom winding machine, are you all that incompetent to even build one yourself?
For those who are questioning my motive, I don't want these few so called experts to mislead others on these forum. This forum has a history of false claims and some of it is by these same people pushing this Holcomb device!
Please do some research on the history of this company and ask yourself why no one can show a unit working to this day as claimed to be even a COP of 1!
Tom
TommeyReed, You are entitled to your point of view, (works or does not work).
Accuse, having your point of view as a basis, of fraud without good reason (facts) is not.
Give your point of view - "why Holcomb system cannot work" - only by specifications, calculations and other verifiable methods.
I have made my point of view, to deny it is the same as to deny efficiency of traditional synchronous generators with core.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Meanwhile, all you have is drool and diarrhea.
Personally I am not interested, what Dr. Holcomb is a businessman, I am interested only - what he is a design engineer. Creation of similar solid-state rotor for synchronous generator, it is already technology, and I do not see any design bureau which make synchronous generators, that they disclose their design solutions - technology.
Why does Dr. Holcomb have to prove anything to you personally?
I have little interest in Holcomb's business plans and the risks associated with investing in this project. I am only interested in the technology, which should not be closed.
A NOTE to anyone reading these forums who is concerned or afraid of:
"Being Misled"
Do your own detailed analysis - (much like rakarskiy and others have done) -
or hire a professional* to do it for you.
BTW, this is what many very successful investors, or developers, do every day,
especially if they are not intimately familiar with the technology.
Don't ever be "taken in" by those that claim - "I don't want these few so
called experts to mislead others on these forum."- to be your "Protective Friend!"
This is even more valid when the so-called "protector" has no real knowledge
of the system under review or it's underlying technology.
Following their unimformed bias can be very costly in that their misleading non-sense
can result in a "high yield" lost opportunity, up front.
* A Professional will Analyze each individual element of the underlying claims and present you
with the 'actual' results, including detailed background and references, where required, in a
form that is fully understandable by you - the paying client. Of course the decision to move
forward is always yours - as an "informed" investor or developer...
If the "analysist" scoffs; "impossible, can't be done, etc." on it's face - move on immediately;
dont even try convincing this "technical expert" of the validity - it's dead before it even starts.
Like all professions; there are good ones and their bad ones - this one is bad, period.
Mindless chit-chat is cheap and abundant BUT an informed professional analysis,
by one skilled-in-the-art, is of great value!
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 07, 2023, 06:18:18 AM
Give your point of view - "why Holcomb system cannot work" - only by specifications, calculations and other verifiable methods.
Why does Dr. Holcomb have to prove anything to you personally?
I suppose official science has already proved the impossibility of a perpetual motion machine.
Moreover, they proved with all possible formulas, theories and experiments.
Now we have to prove that they are wrong and that our device is functional.
As they say in tennis, now is our serve. Or in chess, now it's our turn. :)
I haven't succeeded yet. :( But I tried. ;)
Quote from: SolarLab on July 02, 2023, 03:53:14 AM
Hi TommeyReed,
After some "settling down on my part" I'll accept your challenge of a "build off."
However, let us look at this as a collaborative effort rather than a challenge.
Briefly; we need a device that can "wind coils" in a more efficient manner (see the attachment below)
so we should attempt designing and building a device that can do that (I noticed you have fabricated
a wind device). Hand wound coils are very time consuming!
My "build off" proposal is this:
Fabricate a winding machine that can do an "Orthocyclic Method of Coil Winding" (described below).
Should you be interested in this cahllenge, we can arrange funding, etc. (you keep all rights, etc.) and
we will license the design from you; plus, the project will be funded by our group (Cost Plus if need be;
within reason of course).
PM me with your poposal (but do not include details of how you would technically achieve this prior to
executing a non-disclosure).
A typical method might involve using "Open Builds" components and a "Flowcode v10" controller. Keep
in mind that the "Coils" are rectangular (both Pole and Lap) to suite the LinGen V1.0, however the
physical shape should be configurable to meet future designs.
Best Regards,
Solarlab
Hi TommyReed, et. al. Is the "build-off challenge" to fabricate an "Orthocyclic" Coil Winder now Off-the-Table?
Hope not - there are some pretty decent ideas that have come to light after a few discussions
that look quite achievable at moderate cost and effort.
Please let me know when you get a chance, if your still interested.
Would like to get the ball rolling on this one (some good $$ are involved). Of course it can be
done in-house but I thought you might be interested since you brought the design challenge up.
No big deal, either way, but it looks to be a pretty decent design challenge that everyone might
find useful. A good low cost universal coil winder is always useful IMHO! Especially if it can deliver
an "F" near 1 with constant results.
Anyway, please let me know so I can proceed accordingly. Same stipulations apply but can be
amended to suit your requirements.
NOTE: if anyone else is interested please let me know! The offer stands to everyone but the
fuse is getting short.
Thanks, (pretty sure that once you get involved with the group you'll find it quite rewarding)
SL
Quote from: kolbacict on July 08, 2023, 02:45:32 AM
I suppose official science has already proved the impossibility of a perpetual motion machine.
Moreover, they proved with all possible formulas, theories and experiments.
Now we have to prove that they are wrong and that our device is functional.
As they say in tennis, now is our serve. Or in chess, now it's our turn. :)
I haven't succeeded yet. :( But I tried. ;)
Do you know the parameters of the "perpetual motion machine"? Does science know?
You have the OverUnity effects before your eyes: 1) Magnetic field of a permanent magnet and 2) Magnetic field amplification in ferromagnetic materials. But science morons and their adepts are carefully avoiding these phenomena.
The official science (for sheep) has defined the action of a magnet as a "residual magnetic field" without explaining its nature, and the action of a magnet is the generation of a field caused by a primary (one-time) electromagnetic impulse, of greater magnitude in most cases. So is the technology, the excitation of a magnet by a stronger magnet.
So your science has not defined anything, but only ordered to be a herd.
Hi TommyReed, et. al.
Sorry, forgot to mention the "Orthocyclic Winder RFP" closes on Wednesday, 12th of July at 12:00 GMT.
So don't hesitate to at least register your intent to reply via PM.
SL
Hi All,
I get it, most of you are investing in the Holcomb energy system. Why else would you back this project.
First of all the Holcomb system can be duplicated with any modified stepper motor, by locking the rotor from spinning. It's nothing more the a rotating transformer with a permanent magnet stationary field or rotor.
Almost like Tom Bearden Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG). I don't need to explain anything to those who haven't even build a single unit.
But I will have to start building my version of a Holcomb (MEG), just to show just how this high school drop out can do real experiments instead of BS.
This is the MEG unit I built and tested, nothing was greater the a COP of (0.9).....
The biggest problem I have with the Holcomb device is input vs output claims. If anyone has really experiment with transformers, BEMF or flyback effects, there is always a lost do to hysteresis,ohms law and heat.
I believe if these claim are correct, then anyone should be able to simulate the same effects as a Holcomb device, lets work together and experiment with the real world instead of graphics image of flaw formulas.
I will build a "Orthocyclic Winder RFP" if needed, but not interested in anyone sending me money or planning to sell my design.
Now one interesting point is flyback effects with AC, is it possible by switching the waveform and collecting the return in the opposite direction of a AC flyback effect? wouldn't this be the first step to explore?
Like all transformers, heat is one of the bigger problems. As the heat increase the magnet field decreases and also effect Hysteresis.
Cooling would also be very important with any magnetic field, each watt (3.412...BTU) of power will generate heat. Efficiency will have to deal with the basics of heat. Also even without permanent magnet, the alloy is effected with heat that effects output.
I wonder if super cool environment effects efficiency in transformers?
Just a few thoughts....
This is a experiment I did many years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1QuAk2rxcM&t=1s
Tom
Quote from: SolarLab on July 08, 2023, 04:05:57 AM
Hi TommyReed, et. al.
Sorry, forgot to mention the "Orthocyclic Winder RFP" closes on Wednesday, 12th of July at 12:00 GMT.
So don't hesitate to at least register your intent to reply via PM.
SL
Much to do about nothing?
Have you checked your F for currently available equipment? See attached photo I snapped of a M.O.T. secondary. Aluminum wire. Likely super cost reduced design/process mass produced coil.
I was a long time member of EMCWA, Electrical Manufacturing and Coil Winding Association attending several annual international conferences. It's a huge industry. Most people don't realize. I'm sure the existing players will welcome the competition you offer.
Carry on.
bi
Quote from: TommeyReed on July 08, 2023, 05:38:25 AM
This is a experiment I did many years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1QuAk2rxcM&t=1s
Tom
TommeyReed, this is a good example of how not to do, if you do not know how it works.
By the way, I have questions about the Berden and Naudin installations, in any case, what is drawn and calculated is not always there in reality.
The answer is their high voltage collector winding. Secondly, a lot of strong magnets makes no sense, in this design, on the contrary, there are very big control problems.
You have to put in the core - the flux from the magnets, the flux from the control coils, the flux from the phase current.
There is another big problem that is not listed in the patent.
Congratulations for trying. It was important to find out why it didn't work.
Thanks Fellows,
Tommey, if you can - please down size your picture (kind of screws the page up) - appreciated by everyone.
Bistander - good info, thanks. You're right, "much to do about nothing" - no big deal really, just a little bit of thinking! :)
Got the Orthocyclic Winder at the Design Intent stage:
- Use "Open Builds" for mechanical and Flowcode V10 for controller (port to any processor and it's free),
- Approach will use a "Needle" type mechanism (can do both flat rectangular [pole & lap] and round frame [multi-pole]),
- 3D printed coil forms.
Parts are in-stock here so the final CAD and build can begin next week.
Brief example snap shots attached. Won't try to fix pictures - can't scroll that far right! Whatever, you get the idea...
Anyway, this concludes the "LinGen" Fabrication and Development at this end.
Take care and Good Luck!
SL
Rakarskiy
QuoteDo you know the parameters of the "perpetual motion machine"? Does science know?
Yes and yes.
Perpetual- Lasting forever; never-ending, continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time.
Motion- The act or process of changing position or place.
Machine- A physical system of fixed and moving parts that performs a task.
The atom has fixed (Proton) and moving (Electron) parts.
An atom is in perpetual motion and it's parts cannot be created/destroyed or stop moving.
The atom also performs the task of being the building block of all physical things in the known universe.
By definition and for all intensive purposes the atom qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
The problem seems to be that many choose to view things on a superficial level in a subjective manner.
They build a nano-machine made of a few atoms which performs a task and think it's the holy grail.
Where nature has been building machines from atoms into larger and more complex machines for billions of years.
It also helps to understand logic and reasoning to help spot obvious contradictions.
1)The conservation of Energy demands energy cannot be created/destroyed.
2)The conservation of Mass demands the atoms Proton/Electron cannot be created/destroyed.
If the energy and mass of the atom cannot be created/destroyed then it is by definition perpetual.
What do people think "cannot be created/destroyed" and "perpetual" mean?.
Which is where things get a little weird because anyone claiming "perpetual motion" is not real
obviously doesn't understand the conservation of energy and mass.
AC
Hi SL,
Sorry, I don't know why those pictures were so big. I just removed them.
Tom
Tom,
Thanks, much better.
BTW a guy just sent me the attached video of a Needle Winding set up.
Looks like it would be easy to set up a 3-Axis Knee Mill to do the winding;
and, if you have a Rotary Table (4th-Axis) might work for doing a round frame
multi-pole (both pole and lap?). I know your building a mill...
Will keep this in mind when I try to write the code (maybe an Arduino Uno - one
of the free boards/chips supplied within Martix Flowcode V10 [it's a nice
programming package actually - easy and fast code development - flow chart, etc.].
Probably easier to do in a micro than in G-Code (?).
https://www.flowcode.co.uk/ (disclaimer: I have no nothing with Flowcode - but I
did purchase the Pro Version and the STM ARM code pack)
Needle Winding video attached:
SL
SL... your fucking with him..
Lol
LL
LL - Not me man!
There is still several items that may need attention:
Reviewing the Philips Ortocyclic paper closely, in particular the Fig. 4 diagram, the first layer is layed
down with a crossover (90o - alpha crook) at each turn. Then at the end of the first layer the coverage
is only to "1/2d" from the total spool guide (n+1/2d) but the second layer "crooks" 1/2d as it moves
up to start the second layer. The second layer crooks in the opposite direction for each turn.
Looks like the spool form would need a " - 1/2d " inner ring in the inside at "n+d" if the wire were
thin (how thin or small diameter is yet TBD). The rest of the coil should track ok since it will follow the
underlying groove of the layer below it.
3D Printer resolution has to be fine enough to allow for this "inner ring" and provide a thin enough
flexible outter edge so the width of the needle can "flex outward" as the needle is passing and then
recover to it's original shape to hold the wire in place when the needle has passed.
The Coil Former Spool would ideally be a 2 piece design so it can be removed if required.
It would also be nice to find a 3D Filament that rejected Crazy Glue so that only the winds could be
bound together without heat while the two piece bobbin core former could be removed if needed
leaving only the bound wire core.
Attention to the space factor shown in Fig. 8 can be dealt with using the formula provided in the paper
but the stepper motor step size would have to be fine enough to accomodate the smallest wire
diameter used.
If there's more (or I've missed something); please let me know!
The full Philips paper is attached following the figures.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: onepower on July 08, 2023, 12:43:49 PM
Rakarskiy
Yes and yes.
Perpetual- Lasting forever; never-ending, continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time.
Motion- The act or process of changing position or place.
Machine- A physical system of fixed and moving parts that performs a task.
The atom has fixed (Proton) and moving (Electron) parts.
An atom is in perpetual motion and it's parts cannot be created/destroyed or stop moving.
The atom also performs the task of being the building block of all physical things in the known universe.
By definition and for all intensive purposes the atom qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
The problem seems to be that many choose to view things on a superficial level in a subjective manner.
They build a nano-machine made of a few atoms which performs a task and think it's the holy grail.
Where nature has been building machines from atoms into larger and more complex machines for billions of years.
It also helps to understand logic and reasoning to help spot obvious contradictions.
1)The conservation of Energy demands energy cannot be created/destroyed.
2)The conservation of Mass demands the atoms Proton/Electron cannot be created/destroyed.
If the energy and mass of the atom cannot be created/destroyed then it is by definition perpetual.
What do people think "cannot be created/destroyed" and "perpetual" mean?.
Which is where things get a little weird because anyone claiming "perpetual motion" is not real
obviously doesn't understand the conservation of energy and mass.
AC
Hi onepower!
There is no need to confuse the concepts of philosophy, physics and engineering product! Perpetual motion - defines a process consisting of many processes (rocking-end) making up a chain. For an engineer, an engine is a mechanism that performs work. The term "eternity" is also inappropriate for an engineer, who creates a device with a period of operation, a resource of mechanisms and components.
Taking a permanent magnet, this is a product that is produced by the appropriate technology. It can be defined as a "single-start magnetic field generator", any magnet has parameters, operating conditions, etc. The magnet built into the door magnetic latch, by closing the flux generated by it through the closed magnetic circuit, holds the door closed condition, for the product of another engineering product - cabinet. no body movement, but the work of holding the door closed is performed. It can be estimated by making a latch made of an electromagnet instead of a magnetic latch on a permanent magnet.
That's how simple it is, you can evaluate "conditionally infinite" source of magnetic field - permanent magnet.
The question to Rakarsky. Also to anybody,who know.
What determines the direction of rotation of such an engine?
At first glance, it is absolutely symmetrical.
However it always rotating in one direct side.
Rakarskiy
Im not confusing the matter rather clarifying it.
All real science and engineering deals with "first principals".
So we need to establish a foundation from which everything else proceeds.
In our case it is the understanding than nothing needs to be created and everything
in the universe is already in perpetual motion which constitutes energy.
This is true because the laws of conservation demand all Matter and
Energy be conserved.
Once we understand nothing is created or destroyed and everything is energy then we
can begin to focus on how to transform energy.
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 11, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
Rakarskiy
Im not confusing the matter rather clarifying it.
All real science and engineering deals with "first principals".
So we need to establish a foundation from which everything else proceeds.
In our case it is the understanding than nothing needs to be created and everything
in the universe is already in perpetual motion which constitutes energy.
This is true because the laws of conservation demand all Matter and
Energy be conserved.
Once we understand nothing is created or destroyed and everything is energy then we
can begin to focus on how to transform energy.
AC
Hi, onepower!
Philosophy, physics, etc. The statement of the law of conservation of energy does not fit in any way with the very concept of its presentation. The Universe, expanding, acquires mass! So how can this process be without the emergence of this mass from nothing?
I've expressed something similar here about the alternator: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-or-false-that-generators-create-electrical-energy-from-nothing
G-Code in Reverse QUESTION
As some of you may be aware; Solidworks now has a "built-in" CAM (Computer
Aided Manufacturing) feature whereby it can generate G-Code for a Part (in this
case a rectangular coil as previously discussed).
Since this internal CAM feature is primarily for "Subtractive Machining," the
G-Code generated is designed to remove material as the cutter moves (usually
down) into the stock material. This provides the G-Code path as the tool moves.
Also, it is easy in Solidworks to write an API to create various different Coil
Shapes and Sizes. This is very nice as the dimentsions, turns, wire diameter, etc.
can be entered and the actual Coil is then drawn in 3D.
QUESTION: Here's the problem I haven't figured out - the profile of the Coil needs
to auto-generate the G-Code but in the opposite direction (additive, rather than
subtractive) in order to be used in this Needle Type Winder.
Anyone know how to do this in Solidwork,s directly, rather than editing the G-Code?
This would allow using G-Code directly from Solidworks to drive the Winder making
a very simple setup for a 3-Axis (or 4-Axis) Milling Machine. Resulting in the Orthocycle winder
being quite simple - only requiring an additional Needle, Tensioner, and Spooler Assembly.
Might even be a good mod for a 3D Printer (tensioner and spooler are already available)!
Eliminating the Arduino-Uno => USB (or Ethernet) => PC and Flowcode App interface is
a much more attractive approach as well.
Any answers or leads on how to accomplish this is appreciated very much!
Thanks in advance, regards,
SL
OK - figured it out:
Straight forward actualy - flip the axis (a bit complex at first but viewing
the CAD and G-Gode generation) it pops out!
So, we got a pretty decent, and simple, way of making "good coils."
SL
That completes all the requirements... :) yahoo! - Good Project...
See you at Walmart, in a year or two!
If we remove these short circuit 1,
will the motor rotation at all ?
Quote from: kolbacict on July 13, 2023, 08:29:11 AM
If we remove these short circuit 1,
will the motor rotation at all ?
It sucks to be a radio broadcaster who isn't trained to work with sources of information. That's the way it is! No offense.
Today's opportunities and the availability of elementary information is a godsend for any learning experience.
QuoteThere is a magnetron cooling fan in the microwave. This fan is driven by a single-phase asynchronous motor, power from 10 to 50 watts, the rotor speed of which is 1200 - 1300 revolutions per minute. The motor stator is made of electrotechnical steel plates, the rotor is simply a steel cylinder with a pressed-in shaft.
The working winding is made of thin enamel wire, and is located on a plastic frame, put on the stator. There is also a starting winding, the role of which is performed by short-circuited single turns of large cross-section, located on the edges of the stator, and forming the starting torque when switching on.
The motor is not characterized by high efficiency, but it copes with its function - to rotate the fan, to drive air through the magnetron radiator.
https://electrik.info/remont/1166-bytovye-elektrodvigateli.html
Quote from: kolbacict on July 13, 2023, 08:29:11 AM
If we remove these short circuit 1,
will the motor rotation at all ?
Hi kolbacict,
I'd say removal of shorted turns will eliminate starting torque meaning motor will not self start after AC voltage is applied to winding, however if manually spun after energized, it would then continue rotate on its own.
bi
Quote from: bistander on July 14, 2023, 09:00:04 AM
Hi kolbacict,
I'd say removal of shorted turns will eliminate starting torque meaning motor will not self start after AC voltage is applied to winding, however if manually spun after energized, it would then continue rotate on its own.
bi
I agree.. Removal should also allow the rotor to spin in either direction.
Then in that case I came up with a new rotor this asynchron motor.
Rotor should be divided in two parts. But both parts on one shaft.
Each of parts must rotating in opposite. Both parts are connected between by a gearbox.
I wonder what will come of this ? :P
Wow! I like where you're going but that "gearbox" part will add up to be mechanical losses it sounds like.
Something like this?
Quote from: truesearch on July 14, 2023, 02:49:17 PM
Something like this?
Yes something like that.
Maybe if two squirrel-cage rotors rotate in different directions in one stator, they will compensate for the back emf ? Even if this does not happen, maybe such a motor will find application somewhere.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 15, 2023, 12:49:26 AM
Yes something like that.
Maybe if two squirrel-cage rotors rotate in different directions in one stator, they will compensate for the back emf ? Even if this does not happen, maybe such a motor will find application somewhere.
These shaded poles are found in microwaves. But usually the rotor does not have magnets on the rotor and they work on eddy currents. The ones without magnets can spin in either direction once you remove the big wire. But since the rotors have no magnets, rotor induced Back-EMF is practically non-existent, except for the back-EMF produced in the coil. But my guess is it should be possible to get 2 rotors spinning in opposite directions with the eddy type rotors. But to what avail?
If you add magnets to the rotor, then my guess is it will be near impossible to get both rotors spinning in opposite directions with symmetrical magnets on the rotors. You would need to reverse polarity of the magnets on 1 rotor to get them to spin opposite directions. Then I am pretty sure the Back-EMF would just double as if the prime mover were spinning 2 rotors.
These are just my predictions. But I encourage the build to know for sure.
Quote from: floodrod on July 15, 2023, 11:26:20 AM
rotor induced Back-EMF is practically non-existent, except for the back-EMF produced in the coil.
I beg to differ. Huge currents are present in a squirrel-cage rotor. It is they who force the rotor to interact with the stator.
Of course, I am not such a specialist in electric motors as Rakarsky, I could be wrong. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on July 15, 2023, 12:14:39 PM
I beg to differ. Huge currents are present in a squirrel-cage rotor. It is they who force the rotor to interact with the stator.
Of course, I am not such a specialist in electric motors as Rakarsky, I could be wrong. :)
You may be right. It would be very easy to test..
1. Apply AC to the motor and let it spin and notate the driving power.
2. Then remove the rotor and just power the coil with the exact same AC source.
The results should tell us with good certainty how much Back-EMF the spinning rotor added.
I have a similar motor with an easy to remove rotor- so I may test this in a bit
Well I stand corrected.. A shaded pole motor rotor does indeed create back EMF.
1.38 amps when spinning.
2.01 amps with rotor removed.
Quote from: floodrod on July 15, 2023, 02:33:16 PM
Well I stand corrected.. A shaded pole motor rotor does indeed create back EMF.
1.38 amps when spinning.
2.01 amps with rotor removed.
I didn't doubt that answer will be that. The rotor still closes the magnetic circuit.
It's like pulling the core out of a transformer. I wished a bit about different.
A squirrel-cage rotor creates the same back emf on the stator as a permanent magnet rotor.
And the faster the rotor rotates, the greater the counter-EMF.
If we could get rid of this, we would get an over-unity electric motor. :)
Power motors operate on a system of electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. The rotor pole on the rotating side is attracted following the rotation of the field in the stator, on the other side it is repelled.
Let it attract, let it repel, I don't mind.
Such a motor as in refrigerators with a starting winding, can also start rotating in any direction?
The short-circuited turns have been removed. Now the motor rotates in any direction equally.
It would make a start, using your hand.
Such a motor as in refrigerators with a starting winding, can also start rotating in any direction ?! >:(
kolbacict
I think the problem is you don't understand how AC induction motors work and neither do most of the people trying to explain it to you...
The picture you posted below is called a shaded pole motor and the small two turn coils are shading coils.
It works like this, https://www.elprocus.com/what-is-a-shaded-pole-motor-working-its-applications/
Now if you removed the shading coils, as you did and wound a coil of many turns connected to a capacitor this is in effect a starting coil. They do essentially the same thing which is to delay or weaken a part of the main magnetic field to bias the direction of rotation. We could use low turn shading coils on larger motors but the large induced currents would produce heat and poor efficiency. So we use larger coils with more turns connected to a capacitor and call them start windings.
Here are some experiments I did which you can also do. Remove the low turn shading coils, which you did, and use many turns of smaller wire. Play around with the number of shorted turns and the number of turns with a series capacitor connected. Look at the picture below labelled shaded pole motor working. Now drill a pair of new holes top and bottom like the shading coil holes, 90 degrees from the old holes and do the same thing. If you wind coils in the new holes top and bottom which are connected in series to the main coils with a series capacitor this is in effect a start winding.
AC
Quote from: onepower on July 18, 2023, 02:27:46 PM
Now drill a pair of new holes top and bottom like the shading coil holes, 90 degrees from the old holes and do the same thing.
Yes,I sometime will try it. I just wanted to say that if you make two identical rotors in one stator rotate in opposite directions, then they cancel out the back emf in the stator. But I have already been told at other site that this will not happen. Lentz is damn tricky.
Reverse EMF in sine? What's that? :o
Quote from: kolbacict on July 24, 2023, 02:59:46 PM
Yes,I sometime will try it. I just wanted to say that if you make two identical rotors in one stator rotate in opposite directions, then they cancel out the back emf in the stator. But I have already been told at other site that this will not happen. Lentz is damn tricky.
Dude, you can't get rid of lenz effects in a mechanical system. You might be able to mitigate its effects, but you would have to figure out how to transfer the energy of a changing potential without a current flow.
F.Y.I. - Some Interesting Videos
While We Wait For the Holcomb Testing To Complete
Here's a couple of interesting videos from a few years back.
Some of you ole' timers will remember these.
Paul Babcock discusses Lenz Law mitigation, switching,
timing, and some other note-worthy topics.
Advanced Magnetics Defeats Lenz's Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOu9uBmPN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOu9uBmPN8)
Paul Babcock's Zero Back EMF Motor - 2016-03-05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOK-xrNcQwM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOK-xrNcQwM)
Found this one interesting as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXMWvloZBgQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXMWvloZBgQ)
SL
Quote from: phoneboy on July 24, 2023, 06:35:39 PM
Dude, you can't get rid of lenz effects
It turn out that perhaps,unfortunately, is right. Lenz is damn tricky. But I'm not giving up yet.
Yes, there was an idea if two identical rotors rotating in opposite directions would induce a mutually exclusive counter emf in a single stator.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 25, 2023, 02:23:45 AM
It turn out that perhaps,unfortunately, is right. Lenz is damn tricky. But I'm not giving up yet.
Yes, there was an idea if two identical rotors rotating in opposite directions would induce a mutually exclusive counter emf in a single stator.
In high-capacity collector motors, in order to counteract the Reverse EMF after the working winding is disconnected from the circuit, a "damper winding (https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/polytechnic/2529/%d0%94%d0%95%d0%9c%d0%9f%d0%a4%d0%95%d0%a0%d0%9d%d0%90%d0%af#:~:text=%D0%94%D0%95%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%A4%D0%95%D0%A0%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%AF%20%D0%9E%D0%91%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%A2%D0%9A%D0%90%20%D1%8D%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85%20%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%20-%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0%20%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F%20%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F,%D0%BE.%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%20%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B5%D1%82%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%20%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8.)" is made, which induces a counter EMF. Why make two rotors. when two windings are made and their EMFs are counteracted. For small powers it is solved by a simple diode shunt.
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 25, 2023, 02:29:34 AM
after the working winding is disconnected from the circuit,
Does disconnect by collector and brush ?
Quote from: SolarLab on July 24, 2023, 09:16:32 PM
Paul Babcock discusses Lenz Law mitigation, switching,
timing, and some other note-worthy topics.
Where I could have seen scheme this device?
p.s. And I say, something must be rotating.
i.e. device must have two different form of the energy .
When only one electricity is worse.
Quote from: kolbacict on July 25, 2023, 07:21:43 AM
Where I could have seen scheme this device?
Kolbacict,
There are a few (pay) instructions and information, etc. here:
https://magneticenergysecrets.com/ (https://magneticenergysecrets.com/)
These guys have been doing this stuff for quite a few years!
The Group - one of many: https://www.energyscienceforum.com/ (https://www.energyscienceforum.com/)
Worth looking into - some good technical information and other stuff...
SL
Hey Kolbacict,
* Pay ? - you know how it is:
Feed the Cat or she will figure out a way of doing it herself!
Yes, happiness has come down recently. We feed. But they give neither gas nor electricity.
how is the donut (ring coil) fixed to the base, around which two smaller coils rotate of Babcock's device ? might be donut must has wires giving into inside of device. ???
Although that two little rotating coil are cutting all possible mount place.
the donut must hang in zero gravity.
Quote from: SolarLab on July 26, 2023, 02:13:14 AM
Hey Kolbacict,
* Pay ? - you know how it is:
Feed the Cat or she will figure out a way of doing it herself!
Looks like the cat is about to jump out of the bag..
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ellen-holcomb-2bb001231_astraenergyinc-holcombenergysystems-cleanenergy-activity-7091127032381624320--T5l?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
"A-HES: A marriage made in clean energy heaven. Astra Energy's (ASRE) Dan Claycamp taking time from his world travels for the portable HES stand-alone. No outside fuel source, no noise, no emissions, putting out enough power for two US homes off the grid, continuously."
https://www.facebook.com/100077568384360/posts/pfbid0GdkGtA4C6F8J1UTH2xvnAQ4AHZoX1Tja52hftp973qh6zocGphq6rM8E6mrEwMfJl/
That's interesting, the first time they've talked about their stand-alone rig.
If you look at the generator unit itself and the cabinets with the system to maintain operation and output voltage to the grid for the consumer, my assumption is that there is an intermediate buffer store in the system.
Here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg579255/#msg579255
Quote from: rakarskiy on July 30, 2023, 12:05:35 AM
"A-HES: A marriage made in clean energy heaven. Astra Energy's (ASRE) Dan Claycamp taking time from his world travels for the portable HES stand-alone. No outside fuel source, no noise, no emissions, putting out enough power for two US homes off the grid, continuously."
https://www.facebook.com/100077568384360/posts/pfbid0GdkGtA4C6F8J1UTH2xvnAQ4AHZoX1Tja52hftp973qh6zocGphq6rM8E6mrEwMfJl/ (https://www.facebook.com/100077568384360/posts/pfbid0GdkGtA4C6F8J1UTH2xvnAQ4AHZoX1Tja52hftp973qh6zocGphq6rM8E6mrEwMfJl/)
That's interesting, the first time they've talked about their stand-alone rig.
If you look at the generator unit itself and the cabinets with the system to maintain operation and output voltage to the grid for the consumer, my assumption is that there is an intermediate buffer store in the system.
Please find attached the "DNV Verification Report" - there are others, as well, from what I understand
but to get a full picture you could always contact A-HES, HES or Holcomb directly or through your
Investment Adviser.
Your choice to purchase a unit when they become available on the market is entirely yours, of course!
SL
Hi All,
I add a little more details into Holcomb and a another company called Astra.
https://www.investorwire.com/press-releases/astra-energy-inc-joins-with-holcomb-energy-systems-llc-to-cut-carbon-footprints-and-energy-bills-by-50/
Astra has been taking investors money like my friend and not delivered a unit yet. This is claimed to be a secure account under Astra. But my resources tells me that law suits are under way with Holcomb and Astra.
Holcomb company in Florida has evicted and all of there machines will be auction very soon.
https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762
Unlike these snake oil salesmen on this forum, the fact that Holcomb can't pay their bills should say a lot.
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 02, 2023, 02:16:20 PM
Hi All,
I add a little more details into Holcomb and a another company called Astra.
https://www.investorwire.com/press-releases/astra-energy-inc-joins-with-holcomb-energy-systems-llc-to-cut-carbon-footprints-and-energy-bills-by-50/ (https://www.investorwire.com/press-releases/astra-energy-inc-joins-with-holcomb-energy-systems-llc-to-cut-carbon-footprints-and-energy-bills-by-50/)
Astra has been taking investors money like my friend and not delivered a unit yet. This is claimed to be a secure account under Astra. But my resources tells me that law suits are under way with Holcomb and Astra.
Holcomb company in Florida has evicted and all of there machines will be auction very soon.
https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762 (https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762)
Unlike these snake oil salesmen on this forum, the fact that Holcomb can't pay their bills should say a lot.
Tom
Do you know when and where the auction will be - I'd like to pick up some equipment, maybe get a bargain or two!
The only thing I can find about the lawsuit is this:
Case Summary On 06/01/2023
KELMAR REALTY HOLDINGS LLC filed a Property - Other Eviction lawsuit against
HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEMS LLC. This case was filed in Sarasota County - Twelfth Judicial Circuit Court, Sarasota County Courthouse located in Sarasota, Florida. The Judge overseeing this case is CARROLL, HUNTER W. The case status is Pending - Other Pending.
From the Court website: This case was last updated from
Sarasota County - Twelfth Judicial Circuit Court on 07/30/2023 at 18:02:20 (UTC)
- Court documents are not available for this case.
Also, can't find anything about the lawsuits between Astra and Holcomb. Maybe you could provide some updated information - the lawsuit over rent is old.
Just "facts" would be nice - not BS. The bottom one was a day ago...
The lastest news that I can find between Astra and HES are these (of course not being an insider, like you, I can only go by what's out there):
Thanks in advance,
SL
In the beginning they said it was a replacement for the grid altogether. Then they downsized that to a unit that would cut your bill in half. Either way, the system can not let this hit the markets. It would destroy the energy markets and all the taxes that are gained from within. Will say that it took the merger to make it go down and now they will both be exorcised in the mix. Then we the user are right back to where we were.
sad....... thay
Quote from: Thaelin on August 03, 2023, 04:05:45 AM
In the beginning they said it was a replacement for the grid altogether. Then they downsized that to a unit that would cut your bill in half. Either way, the system can not let this hit the markets. It would destroy the energy markets and all the taxes that are gained from within. Will say that it took the merger to make it go down and now they will both be exorcised in the mix. Then we the user are right back to where we were.
sad....... thay
They first need to get into the energy system, where energy is distributed through meters to the consumer. In the USA, they will not be allowed to do this until they declare themselves as a mature product (a condition that is unattainable without a real network, and without fundamental developments from 1 MW). We are waiting to see what they will do in Africa, but there is very little time for implementation, taking into account the design. It is difficult to play with "supervisors from energy market corporations", because the system has very good specialists who can assess the threats to the product, and calculate all the measures to close the threat, using legal methods. Some forum participants also succeed in this activity.
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Quote from: TommeyReed on August 02, 2023, 02:16:20 PM
Hi All,
I add a little more details into Holcomb and a another company called Astra.
https://www.investorwire.com/press-releases/astra-energy-inc-joins-with-holcomb-energy-systems-llc-to-cut-carbon-footprints-and-energy-bills-by-50/
Astra has been taking investors money like my friend and not delivered a unit yet. This is claimed to be a secure account under Astra. But my resources tells me that law suits are under way with Holcomb and Astra.
Holcomb company in Florida has evicted and all of there machines will be auction very soon.
https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762
Unlike these snake oil salesmen on this forum, the fact that Holcomb can't pay their bills should say a lot.
Tom
Tommy, I took the liberty of forwarding your comments to Astra management.
They were not pleased.
This is my opinion , and you can obviously do and say as you wish, but... I would be a bit more careful in what you say on public forums, there can and often are repercussions for those who spread false statements.
LL
'#2719 : cutting the bill to half ':
whom : private or business(industry)
where ?
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Lebanon/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Lebanon/electricity_prices/)
There : IMPOSSIBLE !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country)
The HES device makes costs ! Over 1¢/KVA material/human costs per saved KVAh !
I assume/estimate they calculate,CAPEX, in the 5¢ per saved KVAh as participation tributation !
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalexpenditure.asp (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalexpenditure.asp)
Not usefull : from financial/management view point !
Here : Yes ! Like in most G7 estates economies ! ≤ 10% from world population !
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Germany/electricity_prices/)
African electricity prices ?
Why felt Astra Energy Inc.(waste2energy company) shares from 4$ two years before to 0,21$ per share now ?
Astra Energy Zanzibar investment interests,= Tansania
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Tanzania/electricity_prices/
9,6 ¢/ 2 + HES/AE their margin = KVAH costs before/after ?
Is overunity.com only an ' upper 10% world population ' helping site ?
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: a portable genset ( low cost hydrogen/efuels/gas,biofuels/gas,CAE)+ HES as off-grid
= micro grid solution !?
What is the per KVAh price to get ,as same as grid-net connected delivery warranty, a skilled 24/365
electricity delivery maintenance server (human/telemetric) !? The spare parts change costs ?
Lottalead,
Another snake oil salesman, unlike you I know for a fact what's going on. I have direct contact with whom I mention.
My friend should be able to get his money back from Astra, due to the fact he didn't receive a unit.
If a product doesn't work do you think anyone who sell a free energy unit won't be liable?
You are no different the SL who hide behind a screen name, come out of the closet and debate me and show a working unit since you all know how it works!
Integrity is not your cup a tea, Mr salesman!
Tom
TommeyReed, doesn't your acquaintance's investment agreement stipulate all the terms of the contract: the subject of investment, certain terms, payment and force majeure? I doubt very much that this contract is made to the detriment of Astra. Secondly, no sane person would write in the contract about the sale of a free energy generator, at best they would mention a device with zero carbon emissions. Your acquaintance should have considered all the risks first. And if he was in a hurry to be the first, without considering the risks of system resistance and the convector's unpreparedness to integrate into big energy, who is his ass? I hope Holcomb will solve all its technical problems, integration into the big energy, I am very worried about them.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 03, 2023, 09:05:47 AM
TommeyReed, Your acquaintance should have considered all the risks first. And if he was in a hurry to be the first, without considering the risks of system resistance and the convector's unpreparedness to integrate into big energy, who is his ass?
Very good question
Wesley
That's why we are here
Open source
It's not an investment forum ..
Yeesh
Business can catch up ,competitors can do what they wish
Smart meters can tax the western world ..fuel tax can be by the mile etc etc
It's not the 1950's
We are instantly upgraded daily ..
they are already working on these solutions for years ..
New industries will bloom everywhere ( like the wheel ,oil, electricity ,aircraft, etc etc
Forward
It is our destiny
Sooner or later ,hopefully our atmosphere and planet will survive until ....
ramset, I absolutely agree with you.
Holcomb company from the first moment of its appearance is a commercial project. That's why all this investment crap on this forum is a flood. And if there is also an illiterate infestor pouring out his bile that did not satisfy his expectations, then it is absolute flood.
I am interested only in those devices, which can be performed by a garage foreman and which can be integrated into a household.
By the way, Holcomb's matrix, or rather the idea of not only him (he was the first who made it in a working sample), is quite possible to reproduce at home. Only do not chase the sine but get what the phases will give out, rectify and charge buffer batteries. When calculating and creating the device to take into account that the iron of electric motors is the least suitable for the generator.
Thus, it is better to buy a ready-made stator of a three-phase generator for four-pole design, and to design a solid-state rotor for it.
Since there are difficulties, it is necessary to take into account that if the stator is 3 kW, in the best case it is possible to overclock to 2 kW (since a solid state rotor cannot compete with a DC electromagnetic rotor), and if 1 kW is required for self-propulsion, 1 kW will remain for charging the batteries.
Holcomb has clearly stated that they can take a generator stator, put their solid state rotor in it and run it. I'm pretty sure that's the first time they've ever done that.
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Solarlab
In the Bronx we call this
"Hollywood"
Your anonymous ( unlike our host and others ..
And it says nothing about
"This thing we do"
Open source FE to the world!
One thing is certain..Holcomb is still an unknown ( weird goings on)
Yes you did make your position very clear on open source ( evil ,selfish ,joke.. etc etc
It makes sense all the times I begged you in PM's to start a dedicated ( self moderated by you) topic.
You were even moderated years back for bombing someone's topic with your info and not relenting
( against forum rules )
Somehow you tried to flip the actual reason for the "mod" into a badge of honor ("they will ban me again" " I must be over the target ")
Yeesh..
"Hollywood "
While I continually asked you in PM's to start a dedicated topic ..
I suspected at the time you were actually all about the "Benjamins"
Refusal to put your valuable explanation in one organized topic for true scrutiny ( replication/ empirical results)
Yeah seen this plenty around here over the years ( a different kind of harvesting ( not FE)
Open source...or bust ..
You have something to share ?
TEACH!
"You want to change the world "
"Be"that change"
Yeah I know
"Hollywood"
But true !!
Just my (Public Statement) C.Y.A. - in case there's an impending Storm!
The truth will set you free ..
One way or another..
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 03, 2023, 07:47:38 AM
Lottalead,
Another snake oil salesman, unlike you I know for a fact what's going on. I have direct contact with whom I mention.
My friend should be able to get his money back from Astra, due to the fact he didn't receive a unit.
If a product doesn't work do you think anyone who sell a free energy unit won't be liable?
You are no different the SL who hide behind a screen name, come out of the closet and debate me and show a working unit since you all know how it works!
Integrity is not your cup a tea, Mr salesman!
Tom
Tom, you are confused. Your friend does not have an agreement with Astra Energy inc.
I am sure of that.
LOL
Have a nice day.
LL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Just my (Public Statement) C.Y.A. - in case there's an impending Storm!
BASED
LL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 02, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
Do you know when and where the auction will be - I'd like to pick up some equipment, maybe get a bargain or two!
The only thing I can find about the lawsuit is this:
Case Summary On 06/01/2023 KELMAR REALTY HOLDINGS LLC filed a Property - Other Eviction lawsuit against HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEMS LLC. This case was filed in Sarasota County - Twelfth Judicial Circuit Court, Sarasota County Courthouse located in Sarasota, Florida. The Judge overseeing this case is CARROLL, HUNTER W. The case status is Pending - Other Pending.
From the Court website: This case was last updated from Sarasota County - Twelfth Judicial Circuit Court on 07/30/2023 at 18:02:20 (UTC)
- Court documents are not available for this case.
Also, can't find anything about the lawsuits between Astra and Holcomb. Maybe you could provide some updated information - the lawsuit over rent is old.
Just "facts" would be nice - not BS. The bottom one was a day ago...
The lastest news that I can find between Astra and HES are these (of course not being an insider, like you, I can only go by what's out there):
Thanks in advance,
SL
Can you imagine???
An Auction ?
LOL
LL
Quote from: ramset on August 03, 2023, 07:17:28 PM
The truth will set you free ..
One way or another..
Amen
LL
Quote from: ramset on August 03, 2023, 07:17:28 PM
The truth will set you free ..
One way or another..
Ramset,
The truth may set you free, but malignment on a public
forum can also get you in big trouble!
No person or corporate entity appreciates being maligned,
in particular in a public forum; to speak harmful untruths
about people or products is taken quite seriously by many.
Some may find maliging funny or cute, but some may not.
And, no matter how trivial it might appear, the maligned
party just may find it actionable... and it is actionable!
Injurious maliging, especially when given in writing and
in a continuous malicious manner; often can not, and should
not be left unchallenged. The damage caused is too great
to ignore no matter the context or environment.
{This includes: ASTRA, HOLCOMB, HES, ANSYS, Posters, etc.}
Any of these entities, at this point, could seek restitution.Just some words of wisdom - think about what you write or
say before you actually do it or say it. Is it truthful and factual?
Even truth, as you may perceive it, sometimes needs to be
backed up with supporting facts and clarification.
SL
Are you now doing a legal infomercial ?
Or a soap opera?
For a guy who is repulsed by the open source concept
You sure spend a lot of time here..
Me
I'm just paying attention...
And hoping for the best ( for the open source global community
Business ventures , Investors, bankers ,status quo etc etc
Not so much
Edit for comments below
Myself not being anonymous since day one on this forum ( number one big fact for sincerity /transparency in this open source venue)
It would seem you throw stones from the glass house. ..
You have written all you need to ( over the years)
The last few days have finished the puzzle!
Your continued attempts to diminish open source ( onesy twozy nonsense)
And attempts to demonize those involved ( with your own "investor" actions and mindset)
Are seriously lacking integrity ( consistent they may be).
Have a good night ..
I don't have the time you do for idle chitchat
Nor the desire to distract the membership with such !
On the scale of priorities
The cost to our planet is far beyond somebody's bank statement or personal
Wealth acquisition !
There is a horrible price to pay for the continued withholding of FE tech to the world...
End of story!
Quote from: ramset on August 03, 2023, 09:55:11 PM
Are you now doing a legal infomercial ?
Or a soap opera?
For a guy who is repulsed by the open source concept
You sure spend a lot of time here..
Me
I'm just paying attention...
And hoping for the best ( for the open source global community
Business ventures , Investors, bankers ,status quo etc etc
Not so much
If this isn't "open source" then your leading up the wrong forum:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
Read all 20 pages - then claim it's not open source!
Excess Energy encompasses many things, including "reality."
There are a variety of schemes that are capable of providing a bit of excess energy
but few are actually viable since they are not scalable for an individual. You can
make one or two but what about the rest of the world? Think about it.
Unless you're looking for a device you can scam from the OU crowd and run with
yourself - just my humble observation of course...
"Me - I'm just paying attention..." Yea - me too then!
SL
Just saying be careful who you slander and malign on these forums.
Be careful what you assume as well...
Check with your legal coucil for details if need be.
The attached Tennessee lawsuit is dated 7/24/2023. I post it for those who may find it of interest. Apologies if it has already been mentioned on this thread and I missed it. The entire document is noteworthy but particularly so is the section 29 statement from the former lead engineer for the invention.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on August 03, 2023, 11:49:11 PM
The attached Tennessee lawsuit is dated 7/24/2023. I post it for those who may find it of interest. Apologies if it has already been mentioned on this thread and I missed it. The entire document is noteworthy but particularly so is the section 29 statement from the former lead engineer for the invention.
How does this question relate to the essence of the technical solution and operability of the device? The device designated in the document is in a working copy. In the USA they will not grant a patent for a self-propelled device designated on the site https://holcombenergysystems.com/technology-breakthrough/ (US Law of 1951).
There is Holcomb the design engineer and inventor and there is Holcomb the manager of his inventions, these two qualities may not be equal. Don't drag here what kind of manager he is, better to analyze what kind of engineering solutions he applied. This is a technical forum, this site is not an academy of management and investment.
From the point of view of common sense, the claim should have been brought against the U.S. government and the patent office for refusing to patent the machine (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120205980A1/en). And so the plaintiff is an asshole who wanted to "make money" at the expense of other people's creative engineering inventions.
Quote from: Beginners Mind on August 03, 2023, 11:49:11 PM
The attached Tennessee lawsuit is dated 7/24/2023. I post it for those who may find it of interest. Apologies if it has already been mentioned on this thread and I missed it. The entire document is noteworthy but particularly so is the section 29 statement from the former lead engineer for the invention.
Beginners Mind,
Thanks for the timely information re: Lawsuit. Did a comprehensive search, but that was a
while ago.
Backing off my committment for a bit until I can gather more details - may have saved me
some considerable turmoil and costs.
Up to this point all data and analysis indicated this device (the Lingen) has excess energy, even the
lab testing. So it creates a bit of a "needs more work" to discover what's what...
Not sure what to think - my investigation and analysis shows the technology works but the Lawsuit
indicates otherwise - ? Interesting stuff!
Will wait until the suit gets a Docket/Case # before chasing it down further however. Recently e-filed.
At first glance it does appear the device in question was one of the older designs (motor/generator)
but that will require a bit more study to determine all the details. There are a variety of patents.
Hey - they might just have the Input and Output wires crossed... :) Been there, done that!
Thanks again and have a good one!
SL
Quote from: Beginners Mind on August 03, 2023, 11:49:11 PM
The attached Tennessee lawsuit is dated 7/24/2023. I post it for those who may find it of interest. Apologies if it has already been mentioned on this thread and I missed it. The entire document is noteworthy but particularly so is the section 29 statement from the former lead engineer for the invention.
Thanks.
It doesn't work. Imagine that.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 04, 2023, 12:45:32 AM
Thanks.
It doesn't work. Imagine that.
bi
Sounds like they have the "Input" and the "Output" wires crossed... imagine that! ;)
Strange, since the ones here in Florida appear to be working according to FPL and everyone else.
Wonder if the installation was at a "Used Car Dealership" - just kidding :)
FWIW - Article II.3 should be interesting, just saying!
These types of disputes are common - which is good since the "Expert Witness" makes out great!
8)
If Holcomb's devices didn't work, Astra would never have entered into a partnership agreement with them. Take a look at Astra's financial turnover. (https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=1231339&owner=exclude) Do you think they will make nerves because of some Holcomb inventor with a controversial invention. No lawsuit accusing Holcomb's devices of not working will reach the goal because of the demonstration of the device's working capacity to the judicial commission. The very system of government control will not allow such a lawsuit. This is a very strong blow to the system. In the U.S., judicial precedent is actually a legislative act.
Holcomb would benefit from such a lawsuit, followed by a libel charge and financial damages.
Once again I remind you that this is a technical forum and you need technical solutions and technical competent engineering analysis. Send high school physics teachers away, they declare what others have written.
_________________________________
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Come on Rakarskiy,
Lighten up a bit - there's some great "Drama" going on right now!
Put the tech stuff on the shelf for a bit and enjoy the "show,"
it's better than "Hollywood" and it's "real time" :)
Don't fret, it will be back to "nuts-n-bolts" before you know it!
Just sit back, put your feet up, get some popcorn, relax and enjoy... real life at it's finest.
Hey, how much useful technical content or interaction have you seen on these forums lately?
The transformation taking place right now is "Beyond Our Wildest Imagination!"
Who is "John Gault?"
SL
SolarLab, I'm not worried at all, I just don't like stupid. And there are even more cunning parasites who parasitize other people's labor by doing nothing.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 04, 2023, 03:11:03 AM
SolarLab, I'm not worried at all, I just don't like stupid. And there are even more cunning parasites who parasitize other people's labor by doing nothing.
You're not worried because you know how it works - which means the cunning parasites are worried - good!
Doesn't mean they will stop trying to parasitize, but it does mean their game is nearly over. Enjoy their panic!
No intelligent person likes stupid but there's nothing you can do about it except move on, I guess.
Sometimes it is fun to mess with them however ;)
Anyway, Have a good day! Hopefully, we're almost there - 90% knowledge, 10% sweat... We're at 90%.
You guys ever hear of voltage drop due to a poor electrical supply? Very common in small town or rural locations in the US. I speak from experience. Their claim could be erroneously based on something as simple as that. The particular system in question is powered by a rotating motor. Voltage drop causes the amperage draw of the motor to increase for the same level of HP developed. Also a system design requiring 230V 3Ph supplied with 195-200V 3ph simply will not operate as designed.
Use your head. Don't jump to conclusions.
Solarlab
QuoteHey, how much useful technical content or interaction have you seen on these forums lately?
The transformation taking place right now is "Beyond Our Wildest Imagination!"
Indeed, it's strange many who claim to be looking for a FE device would take such pleasure in seeing a potential technology fail. Gustav Le Bon went into the psychology of this effect in his book "The Crowd, a study of the popular mind". The effect, similar to introducing blood into shark infested waters leading to a feeding frenzy. Oddly, when the sharks cannot find the source of the disturbance they tend to start eating there own kind.
It's also strange that most can give a thousand reasons why something cannot work but very few as to how it could. So how could it work?...
AC
AC,
Thanks for the reference by "Gustav Le Bon" - heard it before in Psyc class but didn't know it's source.
OT a bit, but thought you might appreciate the implications:
Implications of Gauge-Free Extended Electrodynamics (attached 2,864KB)
https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/12/2110 (https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/12/2110)
8. Conclusions and Prospects
The above examples show that CED and QED are incomplete. CED omits the irrotational components of A, E,
and J together with the scalar field (C). EED includes these irrotational (longitudinal) components, providing
fresh understanding of scalar-longitudinal waves, energy, and momentum. The examples above have the
common feature of irrotational currents: (a) seismic precursor signals due to fracturing in the Earth's crust [99],
(b) peeling of adhesive tape [102,103], and (c) SLW irradiation by the TESLAR chip [106,107]. These examples
generalize to any phenomena involving the breaking/alteration of chemical bonds in inanimate or biological
systems and/or irrotational currents (e.g., radial oscillations of solar plasma). The gradient-driven current and
the SLW then elucidate currently unexplained electrodynamic phenomena, both laboratory-based
[101,102,103,104,105,106,107] and astrophysical [66,100].
EED gives the magnetic vector potential (A) physical reality. Experimental evidence from the VPT [36,37]
validates the Maxwell-Lodge effect [34] with A as a physical field in the classical domain, along with
validation by the Aharonov-Bohm effect in the quantum domain. The invention (and experimental validation)
of SLW antennas [68] provides a springboard for disruptive technologies in wireless sources of energy
generation and power conversion. EED has the potential to produce a revolution in electricity generation
and distribution.
CED - Classical Electrodynamics
EED - Extended Electrodymanics [also predicts Scalar Field]
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 05, 2023, 05:12:14 PM
AC,
Thanks for the reference by "Gustav Le Bon" - heard it before in Psyc class but didn't know it's source.
OT a bit, but thought you might appreciate the implications:
Implications of Gauge-Free Extended Electrodynamics (attached 2,864KB)
https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/12/2110 (https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/12/2110)
8. Conclusions and Prospects
The above examples show that CED and QED are incomplete. CED omits the irrotational components of A, E,
and J together with the scalar field (C). EED includes these irrotational (longitudinal) components, providing
fresh understanding of scalar-longitudinal waves, energy, and momentum. The examples above have the
common feature of irrotational currents: (a) seismic precursor signals due to fracturing in the Earth's crust [99],
(b) peeling of adhesive tape [102,103], and (c) SLW irradiation by the TESLAR chip [106,107]. These examples
generalize to any phenomena involving the breaking/alteration of chemical bonds in inanimate or biological
systems and/or irrotational currents (e.g., radial oscillations of solar plasma). The gradient-driven current and
the SLW then elucidate currently unexplained electrodynamic phenomena, both laboratory-based
[101,102,103,104,105,106,107] and astrophysical [66,100].
EED gives the magnetic vector potential (A) physical reality. Experimental evidence from the VPT [36,37]
validates the Maxwell-Lodge effect [34] with A as a physical field in the classical domain, along with
validation by the Aharonov-Bohm effect in the quantum domain. The invention (and experimental validation)
of SLW antennas [68] provides a springboard for disruptive technologies in wireless sources of energy
generation and power conversion. EED has the potential to produce a revolution in electricity generation
and distribution.
CED - Classical Electrodynamics
EED - Extended Electrodymanics [also predicts Scalar Field]
SL
It's about time some one got a clue. They are not the first and definitely not the last. You can make a curl free vector potential for 50 cents and I don't think they have any idea of the REAL significance of being able to harness it. Can we finally get some LENZ mitigation please for one.
Many examples of Lenz Mitigation are available throught these and other forum threads.
Try reading a bit or use a search feature.
The above article relates to an extended version of Electrodynamics and helps in the theoretical
development of energy related devices amongst other scientific study. Also applies when analyzing
"real life" examples - read the article for more details (seismic, peeling, SLW irradiation, etc.).
This article was addressed to AC who likely has the ability (education) to comprehend it's content!
I agree - it's about time some one got a clue!
What's stopping you from developing your own Lenz mitigation scheme - please enlighten us all...
Quote from: phoneboy on August 05, 2023, 06:20:07 PM
It's about time some one got a clue. They are not the first and definitely not the last. You can make a curl free vector potential for 50 cents and I don't think they have any idea of the REAL significance of being able to harness it. Can we finally get some LENZ mitigation please for one.
Phoneboy,
This is a record for me - two appologies in one day!
Please be patient - the whole process, including documents and instructions, will likely hit the airwaves soon.
A bit of "stuff" still has to sort itself out (technical and other [pol]) before the "storm" can succeed.
Check "all" the news - from everywhere... The timing is not up to us poor peasants, unfortunately.
SL
To ALL,
AT this point it appears everything with respect to further development of the "LinGen"
on this Forum is in good hands.
Ramset is putting together a "Tiger Team" of physicist and engineering types" so the
progress should be pretty rapid. The background development and analysis is given
in the link below as well.
Will update the OUR Holcomb thread as time permits.
There isn't much more I can provide here so I will move on to more pressing projects,
and hopefully a well deserved break/vacation. ;)
Regards and Good Luck,
SolarlabQuote from: ramset on August 03, 2023, 03:10:11 AM
Solarlab
Quote
Don't look too hard for secrets - there aren't any - it's strikingly simple.
You don't need an advanced CAE Analysis either, once you understand the B-H Curve
and how the magnetic field can be increased (mid-school physics) and how that
magnetic field gain is harvested using a simple Lap coil.
End quote
This needs move discussion ( from physicist /electrical engineer types
Will ask Smudge
You east coast guys are up too late ...( me too
EDIT for comment below
There were questions to Solarlab early on,( unanswered questions)
addressing your simulation postings They were very important points .. technical points
Example "your starting points for sim"
"How did you get to that starting point"?
Like the thumb on the scale ( a layman term for biasing or skewing results)
Honestly
I am out of my depth in these questions ( so I will endeavor to contact some who asked..( for clarity)
Good thing FE community is very capable ..and willing to help ..
Well
Wouldn't it be wonderful if tomorrow a really good independent lab ( UL grade
Put their reputation on the line
And certified Holcombs self running autonomous unit ( of any output at all
Quote from: SolarLab on August 03, 2023, 03:27:50 AM
Review the Solarlab posts on the threads starting at:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
I'm not about to go through the whole thing again - all has been asked, and answered.
Any constructive, educated feedback is always appreciated. However, the CAE Analysis
has been well scrutinized, but more learned technical eyes are always welcome.
But, the topic is growing old and the stupid crap is over as far as I'm concerned; so
if your intent is to argue further - don't waist my time - we've moved on to the next phase.
Every success...
SL
Solarlab
Fortunately it's not all about you
Or me
Open source FE research will Never give up !
The cost to our planet ,inhabitants and future is too great ...
Quote from: ramset on August 06, 2023, 04:40:29 AM
Fortunately it's not all about you
Or me Open source FE research will Never give up !
The cost to our planet ,inhabitants and future is too great ...
Modified quote:Common issues with open source include:Technical debt: Failure to address technical debt that is implicit with open source.
Complexity: Hard to adopt for the mass market, as the ecosystems are geared towards innovation more than usability( limitations of resources)
License issues: A lot of organizations do not understand Open Source and the licensing obligation that goes along with it as there is no "body" and no "unity" in between activists.
Security: Open-source platforms can increase the risk of security breaches of existing strategic and leading technologies
Updates: Open-source is accessible and easy to implement, but it also poses some challenges ,mainly
-willingness to reserve by an individual from the group intellectual value of the achievement or its part.
- activity of governments and corporations willing to stop or delay development
Wesley
Quote from: ramset on August 03, 2023, 03:10:11 AM
Wouldn't it be wonderful if tomorrow a really good independent lab ( UL grade
Put their reputation on the line And certified Holcombs self running autonomous unit ( of any output at all
It will not happened unless paid by these who are pro and/or the against.
-transferring part of intellectual property to the examining entity to pay for services, can't work as there is no patent protecting rights of any party
in the deal. Till now the involved in promotion of the particular technology of Mr H. , party has only a patent application - (no patent yet.)
- enthusiasts can agree or disagree but they will not benefit on , if for some reason inventor proves his concept.
____________________________
The same relates to any technology
Wesley
So
If tomorrow.. someone shares imperical evidence of a heretofore unrealized gain mechanism
Which requires rudimentary skill set and runs autonomously of power supplies etc etc
And minimal parts count or "unubtanium"?
All your above arguments
Go out the window
As free market will put value to it through competitive markets globally
( honestly this would happen regardless of the technology and it's complexity if open sourced)
On an almost daily basis, I use open source videos and information to assist in all manner of projects ...
There are millions of such examples
In science too
Business and marketing ..not why we are here
As I wrote..this is not the 1950's
No more from me ...( attempting to defend open source FE
Yeah I read it plenty here recently "parasites,evil ..jokes ,thieves,ignorant etc etc
Global LENR community is open source ,
As are most scientific papers ( peer reviewed)
Recent room temperature ambient pressure superconductors....( just one of thousands??
You anti FE open source " business guys" are in the wrong house...
No more from me!
Untold numbers of persons toiling towards this goal ...
I'm pro Open Source that is why I'm here.
I wish you and the audience all the best in experimenting.
I wish they will share.
I wish level of the audience is up to the task
That may be here quite few talented others hiding out but:
In regards to Mr H. there is only Rakarskiy
-who manifested at least required skills, and experience - all together here evidently strong.
And if he does it it will be not a Mr H. device but much differing from it invention that only looks alike if ever.
https://overunity.com/17252/the-rant-room/msg580910/#msg580910 (https://overunity.com/17252/the-rant-room/msg580910/#msg580910)
Wesley
Hi stivep,
"I'm pro Open Source that is why I'm here.
I wish you and the audience all the best in experimenting.
I wish they will share.
I wish level of the audience is up to the task"
I totally agree Stivep, if we all work together we could have something done by now.
No one person needs to build it, we could pick a part that needs to be built and everyone can be part of the complete build.
Tom
stivep
QuoteOpen-source is accessible and easy to implement, but it also poses some challenges ,mainly
-willingness to reserve by an individual from the group intellectual value of the achievement or its part.
- activity of governments and corporations willing to stop or delay development
A good example of open source is Josef Prusa and 3D printing, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prusa_i3
One would think giving away or open sourcing technology is counterproductive to making a profit but not always. As Josef Prusa explained, by the time most people had any idea what he just disclosed he was already a year ahead of them. He was inventing, applying and improving technology so fast it didn't matter who copied his ideas.
In effect, let the best and brightest man win which is why he continued to win because his competition was never up to the task. Most tried to copy or steal his work but within six months it was basically obsolete anyways. It's a brilliant strategy which leverages the fact a real inventor can improve a technology faster than the mindless droves of underachievers trying to steal it.
So open source can work and it can drive change in the right context...
AC
Open source,meaning ' ownerfree' are all utiity model applications after 10 years from their priority date and granted technical standart patents claims after 20 years their priority date !
The comercial market product price difference :
250 - 100 financial units patent right saved ea.
30 financial units without patent right ea.
15 financial units without patent right group-buy discount,ready to use
7,5 financial units without patent right group-buy,DIY-kit
A ( comercial ) product has not only 1 unique price,it is market emotion dependent !
So we see,Chet wish the FE device in the 7,5 units kit-selling range !But the product organization needs ever to be same as for an 100-250 units product !
What/which power/weight density ratio ?Abundant (silicium/aluminium,...) or RE metals,radioactive material( Cobalt : permalloy) use !?
Total production/transformation process in own hands/fabrication,or specific parts need to buy ?
Foreign product parts % from total weight/price !
Safety tests,production quality,material warranty,loan,financial capital amortization losts et cet. !
Clearly,we calculate with 3/4d autonomous production lines ,with free industrial transformation processes,beside 3d print as drop-on-drop modelling also f.e.FI- LaserCav( laser milling/turning),EDM,...!
Local 4d factory-cooperation !
We have to automatize the total industrial/service process to reach in common the average 7,5 units level kit-society,included local material recycling/refurbishment !
250/7,5 : Phillips/Eindhoven laser mass production costs 1€ per unit,single unit shop selling price 34 € ,more expensive than the total CD-laser reader player ,offered for 29,90 € !
Summer/winter sales : up to -90% each season ! Market price/production price (global/local)!
Chet,but 250 to 7,5 units there is all to include : estate financial budget numeric deflation ,private household numeric income deflation ,,.....
Time-line preview : when photovoltaic is after 3 decades now in 4% german household common( +- 0,1% per year),
our total global households society will reach 100% FE/RE (0,1 to 1% yearly production capacity ) in 2100 !
Btw:
2080+ the world population is in decrease : demography,age,intelligence ! U.N. meta-study preview
Actually 100 estates from U.N. are in financial bankruptcy state !( 50%)
It is a long journey ! No hurry ! By less errors !
Sincerely
OCWL
Reading your messages, I really don't understand, what free technologies of construction of the overunity device are you talking about?
How can you say anything about Holcomb's "secret" if you have no idea how a synchronous generator with a core works. The main thing is to understand how EMF is induced in it when magnetic lines do not cross the phase wire. Physicists silently do not recognize, engineers design and generators work all over the planet. EMF in such generators engineers calculate by the transformer formula EMF [E] : E = 2πϕf/√2 = 4.44ϕf Do you see a minus sign here? What does [2π] mean, the frequency is [f] ? Correctly radial velocity, which is expressed by the formula: ω = 2πf / p; p is the number of pole pairs (for one pole pair NS p =1) for four rotor poles (two pairs) already NS NS p =2; 1/√2 is the RMS factor for a regular sinusoid. ϕ - magnetic flux in the gap between stator and rotor, if there are two such gaps, then ϕ = ϕ/2. This is the value on which the whole theory collapses "followers of abracadabra", about crossing by magnetic lines of magnetic field, phase wire with the stator slot, or even around the coil rod if the stator design is coil, with pole lugs.
Answer yourself this question: how does the magnetic field in the stator core change when the rotor has and closes a constant magnetic field through the stator? All you have to do is move the permanent field of the rotor excitation through the stator bodies according to the algorithm of a mechanical magnetic rotor with a permanent magnetic field. This method has its problems, and quite a few, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work, it works very well with its engineering solutions, which are actually the know-how or developments of Holcomb's team. They made it all work.
And also, no synchronous generator likes sudden changes in load, in power plants it is already a critical situation. That's why it is not easy to adapt such generators into a final converter for a household. How to do it in this thread I have indicated in direct text.
If you don't want to get into the essence, it's up to you, philosophy doesn't rule here at all, you need skills and decisions of an engineer.
_______________________________________________________ .
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 05:50:54 AM
Reading your messages, I really don't understand, what free technologies of construction of the overunity device are you talking about?
How can you say anything about Holcomb's "secret" if you have no idea how a synchronous generator with a core works. The main thing is to understand how EMF is induced in it when magnetic lines do not cross the phase wire. Physicists silently do not recognize, engineers design and generators work all over the planet. EMF in such generators engineers calculate by the transformer formula EMF [E] : E = 2πϕf/√2 = 4.44ϕf Do you see a minus sign here? What does [2π] mean, the frequency is [f] ? Correctly radial velocity, which is expressed by the formula: ω = 2πf / p; p is the number of pole pairs (for one pole pair NS p =1) for four rotor poles (two pairs) already NS NS p =2; 1/√2 is the RMS factor for a regular sinusoid. ϕ - magnetic flux in the gap between stator and rotor, if there are two such gaps, then ϕ = ϕ/2. This is the value on which the whole theory collapses "followers of abracadabra", about crossing by magnetic lines of magnetic field, phase wire with the stator slot, or even around the coil rod if the stator design is coil, with pole lugs.
Answer yourself this question: how does the magnetic field in the stator core change when the rotor has and closes a constant magnetic field through the stator? All you have to do is move the permanent field of the rotor excitation through the stator bodies according to the algorithm of a mechanical magnetic rotor with a permanent magnetic field. This method has its problems, and quite a few, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work, it works very well with its engineering solutions, which are actually the know-how or developments of Holcomb's team. They made it all work.
And also, no synchronous generator likes sudden changes in load, in power plants it is already a critical situation. That's why it is not easy to adapt such generators into a final converter for a household. How to do it in this thread I have indicated in direct text.
If you don't want to get into the essence, it's up to you, philosophy doesn't rule here at all, you need skills and decisions of an engineer.
_______________________________________________________ .
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html)
rakarskiy,You know that this is not energy consumer headache !
He/she wants a cheap/safe device,origin mostly uninterestant !
Without EE study !
From 100 consumer % engineer thinking/diplom
From 100 engineers % EE engineer thinking/diplom
O.k.,excluding EE-freaks ,study-it-yourself !
'....And also, no synchronous generator likes sudden changes in load, in power plants it is already a critical situation....'
Yes and no : load type ! Inertia moment resistance !
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lancaIV, when I was graduating from a higher military institution in the mid-1980s, our supervisor at graduation said: "our task was to give you the skills of everyday self-learning, analyzing information, its structuring for making the right management decisions, if you have not learned this, you ... you will not make it and you will just be a big problem that they will try to get rid of".
Self-learning is the end of all professions, only two professions require specialized training - doctors and pilots of passenger transportation. The others have to polish their professional level themselves.
Rakarskiy,
You still haven't answer my question at all, have you built a single unit to prove you own claims?
Clearly with your claims to fame and education, you couldn't put a simple experiment together, is it that complicated? I don't think so.
Motors and generators are no different, no matter how you try to explain it, any load will be counter by lenz Law. You can't explain anything with your own claims without proof!
Every single motor can be a generator and every single generator can be a motor. Rotating transformers is nothing new, yet you come on these forums explaining it works this way and yet have nothing but charts and pictures to back up your claims.
I ask you again, do you want to build a prototype?
There are many people on this forum with real skills who can help.
I hear a lot of BS on these forums, yet very few will get their hands dirty to build a single prototype.
Its best to just shut your month and let others experiment with real prototypes, instead of putting two worthless pennies in the build.
Rakarskiy, let start building a prototype now, It's not complicated!
Holcomb used Chinese motor cores, so already half the built is done! Nothing special was design and it's off the shelf parts and some programming!
Tom
TommeyReed, I don't owe anyone anything, that's first of all! All the information I put on the forum, I absolutely do it voluntarily. The information is given freely, anyone who can technically think, they will find it useful. I am not aimed at the audience with claims of pop-corn chewers, "what they need to explain to their level of perception of the world". If they want to get into it, let them raise their intellectual level, today with the digital scale of technical literature it can be done independently. Secondly, why did you think that I will play games of "young technician"?
' ....Motors and generators are no different, no matter how you try to explain it, any load will be counter by lenz Law....'
DC devices compared with AC devices compared with universal machine devices ,compared with impulse .....
Iida,Tudor,Kumar,... and R.R. Holcomb
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb (https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb)
https://patents.justia.com/patent/20110278975 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20110278975) not total 100% BEMF but 80%
Fleming/Lenz orthogonal hand finger rules
Btw : is here someody using an AC motor as AC generator/alternator,by same efficiency ? ::)
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 06:45:02 AM
' ....Motors and generators are no different, no matter how you try to explain it, any load will be counter by lenz Law....'
DC devices compared with AC devices compared with universal machine devices ,compared with impulse .....
Iida,Tudor,Kumar,... and R.R. Holcomb
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb (https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb)
https://patents.justia.com/patent/20110278975 (https://patents.justia.com/patent/20110278975) not total 100% BEMF but 80%
Fleming/Lenz orthogonal hand finger rules
It's no different for an audience of pop-corn chewers. A motor and a generator first of all differ in the grade of electrical steel, there is no point in discussing it further. Lenz's Law? How does it work for a generator winding tucked into a slot? If we accept the modern dogma of absurdity, the magnetic flux of a machine or transformer must be zero. How does Lenz's law work in a solenoid, a motor at the very first impulse of connection to a source of electric potential difference. Generalization of Lenz's rule has led to absurdity.
Rakarskiy,
That is what is wrong with this world today, people claiming to be at a high education level then others and do nothing but BS!
All you needed to say is, "I can't build it". You are sounding like a used car salesman now!
Respect comes with knowing and showing how something is done, when one talks and do nothing, it's time to move on!
Its very common for those who think they know more then other and try to act as top of their peers and yet couldn't even build a simple example to prove their claims.
When someone volunteer their own time and become worthless, it's time to seek those who can get the job done. Many on these forums are just that, worthless with bs. Something to say and nothing to show.
This is a forum that expects prototypes, not theories!
Tom
Rakarskiy,
1975 not approved utility model or approved technical standart patent application( FR: A1,B1) ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#)
Si vous ne parlez/comprendre
https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=FR&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2312135&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=fr&TRGLANG=en (https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=FR&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2312135&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=fr&TRGLANG=en)
is therein anything wrong ? 2 variations !
Included coil position !?
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p.s : https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+Saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=
and later,after strong battery price €/KWH x cc decrease :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1#
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 07:20:04 AM
Rakarskiy,
1975 not approved utility model or approved technical standart patent application( FR: A1,B1) ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#)
is therein anything wrong ? 2 variations !
Included coil position !?
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I am currently working on a similar design. It's not as simple as it looks at first glance.
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 07, 2023, 07:09:55 AM
Rakarskiy,
********
To the non-scientist, "bullshit" anything above his level of perception is the non-scientist's problem and his problem alone.
If you do not possess elementary mathematical analysis of the processes, there is no sense to engage in overunity, it is always a 99% losing lottery. The first is the geometry of all processes, the second is their mathematical description, after that the first design and manufacturing, checking, and mathematical analysis, correcting errors again design, manufacturing and checking and so on until the full completion of the project.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 06:56:18 AM
... A motor and a generator first of all differ in the grade of electrical steel, there is no point in discussing it further.
...
Rakarskiy,
A particular generator may use a different grade of steel, but by and large, commonly, motors and generators utilize the same grades of electrical steel. Show the source of information for your statement and/or the technical reasons.
And on the issue of load change problems with synchronous generators, I don't see it. The common automobile alternator is such a machine and tolerates and functions acceptably with all types of load, and source, changes.
Because you don't understand how the generator works, doesn't mean everybody else has it wrong.
bi
bistander,can You give me an example from an electric motor (Wp,Wnom) which is sourced by an AC car alternator(VAp,VAnom) DIRECTLY ?
Car alternators were mainly battery loading devices,f.e. for the ic-engine ignition and lights.
Magnetomotive FE-devices are not build with ordinary steel grade !
Soft/amorph/perm-alloy ! ~ similar supermagnets material
3/4d Physics + 3/4d chemistry re-/search !
The know-how of material/-configuration/-creation use !
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bistander, you can save the term "as a rule" for students! There is a separate group of steel for dynamic electric machines, theoretically it can be used for all types of products. But if only it were so clear-cut. The generator has such a moment that is taken into account for the addition of fields, in the motor the fields are closed. The operation of these two synchronous machines is different and very different. About reversibility is a perl of physicists, like "see it rotates", and in fact a good motor is a bad generator (the fact that the motor is put for the function of the generator, is absolutely not an indicator, almost all who faced rewind), and a very good generator, no motor at all: (by the way, the car generator let as a motor, disappointment will be the characteristics of the motor).
Just six months ago, a guy I work with was looking for the right steel. Found it, turned out to be no easy task at all.
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 08:19:21 AM
bistander,can You give me an example from an electric motor (Wp,Wnom) which is sourced by an AC car alternator(VAp,VAnom) DIRECTLY ?
Car alternators were mainly battery loading devices,f.e. for the ic-engine ignition and lights.
Magnetomotive FE-devices are not build with ordinary steel grade !
Soft/amorph/perm-alloy ! ~ similar supermagnets material
3/4d Physics + 3/4d chemistry re-/search !
The know-how of material/-configuration/-creation use !
wmbr
OCWL
Once your car is started, you can remove the battery and it and all accessories like wiper and blower motors operate just fine from the alternator, with diodes of course. Without diodes, the car alternator would be an odd 3ph source, but I suppose any universal motor would run from one phase directly.
"FE-devices". What are you talking about? There is no FE-device.
bi
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 07:20:04 AM
Rakarskiy,
1975 not approved utility model or approved technical standart patent application( FR: A1,B1) ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761217&CC=FR&NR=2312135A1&KC=A1#)
**************
Where can I find a copy of this patent, according to the description the design coincides with the MEG of Tom Bearden and Co. or EasyMEG, only in such a configuration as a generator works only EasyMEG and that I had to specify something.
Not ? Helmholtz,Gibbs FE
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy
Wiper,blower Wp consume ? 10% max. !
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Rakarskiy,
The real reason you didn't answer my question is you can build it, basically you're full of it and can't back it up with any real prototype and claims.
Just shows some of these people on these forum are either misleading others down a path where nothing works or hoping others to invest in the Holcomb device because they claim it works.
I have many theories, but I back them up with real prototypes to experiment.
The Holcomb device is getting old and the people who claim it works without any real proof just tells me they have no integrity at all.
Tom
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 08:38:37 AM
looking for the right steel.
Motor 1 000 000 rpm without steel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7zzs9x5Og (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7zzs9x5Og)
Rotor bursts from centrifugal force:
https://youtu.be/RB7zzs9x5Og?t=443 (https://youtu.be/RB7zzs9x5Og?t=443)
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 08:38:37 AM
bistander, you can save the term "as a rule" for students! There is a separate group of steel for dynamic electric machines, theoretically it can be used for all types of products. But if only it were so clear-cut. The generator has such a moment that is taken into account for the addition of fields, in the motor the fields are closed. The operation of these two synchronous machines is different and very different. About reversibility is a perl of physicists, like "see it rotates", and in fact a good motor is a bad generator (the fact that the motor is put for the function of the generator, is absolutely not an indicator, almost all who faced rewind), and a very good generator, no motor at all: (by the way, the car generator let as a motor, disappointment will be the characteristics of the motor).
Just six months ago, a guy I work with was looking for the right steel. Found it, turned out to be no easy task at all.
So you make a global conclusion from one instance of hearsay of difficulty in sourcing material for some undefined application. OK?
Concerning motor vs generator.
In the development of medium power 100-200kW motors, load testing dynamometer equipment was prohibitively expensive for our operation. The solution was to use two prototypes coupled shaft to shaft via torque sensor. Operate one as motor and other as generator. Both motor and generator ran with equal efficiency, within a few %. Power was looped so only a fraction was required from the grid. And large power was not needed to be disposed from load.
The recent development of electric vehicle motor systems is a prime example of a single machine used as both motor and generator. During regenerative braking the systems work as efficiently as during acceleration. No rewinding required.
Yes, I agree some generators make for crappy motors. Lundel alternator is one. I'm sure there are examples of motors running poorly as generators. Application specific features have much to do with it. But fundamentally, motors and generators are the same.
bi
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 09:04:02 AM
Not ? Helmholtz,Gibbs FE
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy
Wiper,blower Wp consume ? 10% max. !
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For the purposes and intent of this forum, I'd say not.
Unless of course you have your household or car running on such a device.
bi
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 07, 2023, 09:14:49 AM
Rakarskiy,
The real reason you didn't answer my question is you can build it, basically you're full of it and can't back it up with any real prototype and claims.
Just shows some of these people on these forum are either misleading others down a path where nothing works or hoping others to invest in the Holcomb device because they claim it works.
I have many theories, but I back them up with real prototypes to experiment.
The Holcomb device is getting old and the people who claim it works without any real proof just tells me they have no integrity at all.
Tom
What makes you think they don't? (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5DUuRwPXC_kCFP0iKjbXLfHjYx6Fm6Hq4okcL1wq7PInjInIirAPlE9T4YSCaer_uOk-IwVVEvN3XkmaIf90L008ACpv52UXsotEhWobm21B0BrHJ2eUpTry4guI0BMb8o7BTEsqNzusmCeVSRJcNWHPEN_Ss93AGZ9S489Oh6J8Q3OYDgU4gMB5v/w640-h214/2023-02-17_094239.jpg) Those who are determined are not particularly public, I of desire in this I can not argue. Anyway, the first thing he decided is to follow the letter of the patent, I tried to dissuade him that the laying of phases should be traditional, what is drawn in the patent has no logic. All my simulations led to demagnetization, or rather it will be very problematic to get current in the phase.
At the same time, I am not in favor of using the internal rotor, for a simple model just suitable for the internal stator and external rotor, on the model of mechanical generator type "Umbrella" Forbes (England), which worked at the Niagara hydroelectric power plant (Tesla generators dismantled as crappy). For small generators with permanent magnets mini HPPs, use this configuration. With this configuration it is faster to get the desired result.
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
So you make a global conclusion from one instance of hearsay of difficulty in sourcing material for some undefined application. OK?
Concerning motor vs generator.
In the development of medium power 100-200kW motors, load testing dynamometer equipment was prohibitively expensive for our operation. The solution was to use two prototypes coupled shaft to shaft via torque sensor. Operate one as motor and other as generator. Both motor and generator ran with equal efficiency, within a few %. Power was looped so only a fraction was required from the grid. And large power was not needed to be disposed from load.
The recent development of electric vehicle motor systems is a prime example of a single machine used as both motor and generator. During regenerative braking the systems work as efficiently as during acceleration. No rewinding required.
Yes, I agree some generators make for crappy motors. Lundel alternator is one. I'm sure there are examples of motors running poorly as generators. Application specific features have much to do with it. But fundamentally, motors and generators are the same.
bi
No rumors, the optimal steel was selected for the model (combined excitation alternator) and it took time to find it. That being said, it is simply not available in the remnants. The guy found it unclaimed because the project was canceled due to the war.
Quote from: Sergh on August 07, 2023, 09:18:10 AM
Motor without steel:
We recently looked in one of them.
And also the micromotors of cell phone vibrators also do not have an iron yoke.
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2023, 09:36:29 AM
For the purposes and intent of this forum, I'd say not.
Unless of course you have your household or car running on such a device.
bi
FE related ' extraordinary'results,do You,bistander,find as Nobel Prize Award in Physics or Nobel Prize Award in Chemistry ?
By Your personal definition or conventional academic nomenclatura ?
Related theme : inbalance,A-Symmetrie
Probably actually,grid-connected,You get,partial,FE ! Photovoltaic,Aerovoltaic,T(h)ermovoltaic !
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p.s.: shocking :o ,no special steel/alloy,
#8 ,2006
https://overunity.com/1645/common-batteries-are-free-energy-sources/ (https://overunity.com/1645/common-batteries-are-free-energy-sources/)
Good old time/s ! ;)
'no title available' ,but cw/ccw internal process :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=BE438189&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=BE438189&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
An virtual gear process,problem : cube= v³ potenz increase/decrease ( -³) re-/action time/gravity(inertia)
Does this explain the internal EE process,mechanical/kinetical :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840807&CC=US&NR=4464095A&KC=A#
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 09:03:24 AM
Where can I find a copy of this patent, according to the description the design coincides with the MEG of Tom Bearden and Co. or EasyMEG, only in such a configuration as a generator works only EasyMEG and that I had to specify something.
In the espacenet-page ,left side : original document ( in french )
Or please the french INPI a paper-copy ! Or print the ' original document'-pdf out !
https://www.google.com/search?q=pdf+translation+app&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
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Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
FE related ' extraordinary'results,do You,bistander,find as Nobel Prize Award in Physics or Nobel Prize Award in Chemistry ?
By Your personal definition or conventional academic nomenclatura ?
Related theme : inbalance,A-Symmetrie
Probably actually,grid-connected,You get,partial,FE ! Photovoltaic,Aerovoltaic,T(h)ermovoltaic !
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: shocking :o ,no special steel/alloy,
#8 ,2006
https://overunity.com/1645/common-batteries-are-free-energy-sources/ (https://overunity.com/1645/common-batteries-are-free-energy-sources/)
Good old time/s ! ;)
'no title available' ,but cw/ccw internal process :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=BE438189&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=BE438189&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
An virtual gear process,problem : cube= v³ potenz increase/decrease ( -³) re-/action time/gravity(inertia)
Does this explain the internal EE process,mechanical/kinetical :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840807&CC=US&NR=4464095A&KC=A#
lancaIV Sir,
I must disregard your post as it is incomprehensible. Appears to contain two questions directed to me. If you rephrase, I'll attempt to reply. Respectfully.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2023, 08:58:03 AM
"FE-devices". What are you talking about? There is no FE-device.
bi
Maybe aliens have ?
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 12:39:25 PM
In the espacenet-page ,left side : original document ( in french )
Or please the french INPI a paper-copy ! Or print the ' original document'-pdf out !
https://www.google.com/search?q=pdf+translation+app&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
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Thank you, very interesting just intersects with my version of asymmetry of magnetic circuits.
Galey ' cited document' :
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE1488837A1/en
::)
The electromotive force induced according to Lenz's law Force has such a direction that the electricity generated passes through its magnetic Effect of counteracting the change in the magnetic flux that creates it seeks.
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Quote from: kolbacict on August 07, 2023, 11:21:18 AM
We recently looked in one of them.
And also the micromotors of cell phone vibrators also do not have an iron yoke.
Iron cores are not needed and many high efficiency RC motors have minimal core material and only four to eight windings on each leg. With only four windings on each stator leg the conductor length is only an inch or so long. One would think it's very lossy but it's very powerful and efficient when short pulses/pulse width modulation are used.
The general rule is that when the current or magnetic field stops changing in a conductor it becomes a resistance. As in the picture below if we apply power to a conductor the current starts rising and the magnetic field expanding. When the current and magnetic field stops changing or flat lining as we see at the top of the curve most of the energy goes towards conductor heating. Ergo, if the conductor gets hot your doing something wrong.
This is why Nikola Tesla was always trying to shorten the duration of his impulses and using air core coils.
Tesla was brilliant and he understood that no resistance and little inductance was needed to limit the current flow so long as the impulses had a very short duration. Today we something similar and DC/DC converters have replaced transformers and current limiting resistors. Tesla also used series capacitors (hair pin circuit) to limit current instead of resistors. In this respect Tesla was probably 100 years ahead of his time.
AC
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 02:59:34 PM
Galey ' cited document' :
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE1488837A1/en
::)
The electromotive force induced according to Lenz's law Force has such a direction that the electricity generated passes through its magnetic Effect of counteracting the change in the magnetic flux that creates it seeks.
wmbr
OCWL
Here I disagree with him, in my version the current force is the cause of another phenomenon. The EMF in the conductor is only in the window of the magnetic core where the closed flux changes. If I had seen this scheme six months ago I would have accepted everything as the author claims, today, alas, I know how it works in reality.
#2793
Depends,we want or we want not over-come the ' saturation point ' : inductive heating as process !Under saturation point :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20011123&CC=FR&NR=2809241A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20011123&CC=FR&NR=2809241A1&KC=A1#)
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 07, 2023, 03:19:01 PM
Here I disagree with him, in my version the current force is the cause of another phenomenon. The EMF in the conductor is only in the window of the magnetic core where the closed flux changes. If I had seen this scheme six months ago I would have accepted everything as the author claims, today, alas, I know how it works in reality.
Context ! Only one sentence from total process description ! ' ... according ...' versus claim/s
'window' ? XYZ -time frame or XYZ-space frame ?
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
Context ! Only one sentence from total process description ! ' ... according ...' versus claim/s
'window' ? XYZ -time frame or XYZ-space frame ?
Sincerely
OCWL
The window is the inner region of a closed magnetic core. Recall Raselli's experience1, where the flux excitation current decreased when a load bulb was connected.
Hello rakarskiy,
Okay,core window https://www.mag-inc.com/Design/Design-Guides/Transformer-Design-with-Magnetics-Ferrite-Cores (https://www.mag-inc.com/Design/Design-Guides/Transformer-Design-with-Magnetics-Ferrite-Cores)
for me unknown could You give a link about ' Raselli's experience1',please ?
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s: https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/australian-entrepreneur-creates-fuel-free-power-generator/ (https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/australian-entrepreneur-creates-fuel-free-power-generator/)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20230519&CC=WO&NR=2023081960A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20230519&CC=WO&NR=2023081960A1&KC=A1#)
https://itwire.com/science-news/energy/fuel-free-%e2%80%98power-generation%e2%80%99-business-seeks-partners-to-roll-out-across-the-world-a-fusion-energy-beater.html (https://itwire.com/science-news/energy/fuel-free-%e2%80%98power-generation%e2%80%99-business-seeks-partners-to-roll-out-across-the-world-a-fusion-energy-beater.html)
The GGOE Gearbox will offers a range of units with different capacities: 10kw, 20kw and 50kw, and will sell for $5995, $9995 and $49.995 respectively.
$ ? https://www.forbes.com/advisor/money-transfer/currency-converter/aud-eur/ (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/money-transfer/currency-converter/aud-eur/)
Holcomb his 2US$¢/KWh claim similar !
Quote from: lancaIV on August 07, 2023, 04:39:20 PM
Hello rakarskiy,
Okay,core window https://www.mag-inc.com/Design/Design-Guides/Transformer-Design-with-Magnetics-Ferrite-Cores (https://www.mag-inc.com/Design/Design-Guides/Transformer-Design-with-Magnetics-Ferrite-Cores)
for me unknown could You give a link about ' Raselli's experience1',please ?
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s: https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/australian-entrepreneur-creates-fuel-free-power-generator/ (https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/australian-entrepreneur-creates-fuel-free-power-generator/)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20230519&CC=WO&NR=2023081960A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20230519&CC=WO&NR=2023081960A1&KC=A1#)
https://itwire.com/science-news/energy/fuel-free-%e2%80%98power-generation%e2%80%99-business-seeks-partners-to-roll-out-across-the-world-a-fusion-energy-beater.html (https://itwire.com/science-news/energy/fuel-free-%e2%80%98power-generation%e2%80%99-business-seeks-partners-to-roll-out-across-the-world-a-fusion-energy-beater.html)
The GGOE Gearbox will offers a range of units with different capacities: 10kw, 20kw and 50kw, and will sell for $5995, $9995 and $49.995 respectively.
$ ? https://www.forbes.com/advisor/money-transfer/currency-converter/aud-eur/ (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/money-transfer/currency-converter/aud-eur/)
Holcomb his 2US$¢/KWh claim similar !
Experiment Raselli1 https://youtu.be/x-EuPGl8JjE
In the core, the magnetic field from the field and the secondary winding are added together, which explains the current drop in the field circuit.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html
What Raselli demonstrates is directly related to the Holcomb generator and the traditional synchronous generator.A couple of years ago, before the war, I was approached from Lviv by the creators of a mechanical power amplifier. They needed a motor at the input, and we solved this problem. At the output of the mechanical converter the creators of the device had a constant increased torque. A car equipped with such an amplifier had the same speed when going uphill and downhill. The input power was minimal and constant in both cases. I know that the project is sold (Germany, Austria). I assumed this amp was sold for the ROSH system. Actually there is a patent of a mechanical amplifier later I will find it.
From old ideas:
Hysteresis motor.
https://circuitglobe.com/hysteresis-motor.html (https://circuitglobe.com/hysteresis-motor.html)
https://engineering--solutions-ru.translate.goog/motorcontrol/hysteresis/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en (https://engineering--solutions-ru.translate.goog/motorcontrol/hysteresis/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
" The rotor of the hysteresis motor consists of the core of aluminum or some other non-magnetic material that carries a layer of special magnetic material. "
This layer of special material was of most interest. This magnetic material is somewhere between soft magnetic and hard magnetic materials.
This special material is supposed to have a high magnetic viscosity. "a property of magnetizable substances because of which a certain time is required for the magnetization to reach an equilibrium value under a given magnetizing force" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magnetic%20viscosity)
Oddly enough, hysteresis motors. are very common and such motors can be bought at flea markets.
The documented efficiency of ordinary hysteresis motors is low, 0.1 - 0.2.
But this is when powered by a conventional sinusoidal current.
I imagined extracting this material in some way and using it as the core of a transformer. There is no need for a motor if it would be possible to generate electricity directly in the transformer.
In a strong magnetic field, this material remagnetizes faster than in a weak one. The idea was to magnetize such a core with a short pulse of a strong magnetic field, and generate energy due to slow spontaneous demagnetization. Orient the domains with a short pulse, and then the domains are slowly deoriented by thermal noise.
But later I decided that the Carnot cycle would not allow getting additional energy from this process.
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg516790/#msg516790
Quote from: bistander on August 07, 2023, 09:36:29 AM
For the purposes and intent of this forum, I'd say not.
Unless of course you have your household or car running on such a device.
bi
This australian guy/guide more comprehensive ?
The GGOE GEARBOX
The GGOE Gearbox provides continuous electricity 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Unlike renewable systems which are completely dependant on the sun shining or the wind blowing, the GGOE Gearbox churns endlessly and has zero emissions.
The GGOE Gearbox will be capable of being incorporated into cars, homes, and other operating environments delivering users cost-effective energy.
Enjoy endless free electricity with the GGOE Gearbox. No need to rely on local power grids, expensive power storage batteries or solar!
https://www.ggoe.org/ (https://www.ggoe.org/)
300 €/KW ( 9995 AUS$ /20 KW /1,68 AUS$/€ conversion )
Let us calculate :
300 € /8766 hours = 3,5 Euro-cents per KWh costs 1 year capital R.O.I.
300 €/ 8766 hours /5 = 0,7 Euro-cent per KWh costs 5 years capital R.O.I.
Siemens Energy,department Gamesa ( Game S.A.,SA Game ) will be overenjoyed !?
Let us bring CO2 scrubbing per ton from ocean/air to the 10 €/ton range !
And local hydrogen production as cheapest 'energy storage' :
https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/133945.html?thread=147769#t147769 (https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/133945.html?thread=147769#t147769)
O,1 US$Kg = 10 US$¢/33 KWh hydrogen ~ 0,3¢/KWh hydrogen or OPEC+ -equivalent :
4,8 US$ per barrel hydrogen
Quote from: Sergh on August 08, 2023, 05:47:30 AM
The documented efficiency of ordinary hysteresis motors is low, 0.1 - 0.2.
https://engineering--solutions-ru.translate.goog/motorcontrol/hysteresis/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
QuoteThe hysteresis moment M g does not depend on the rotor speed. A radical way to increase the torque of a hysteresis motor is the use of hard magnetic materials with a rectangular hysteresis loop. The rotation frequency of such an engine is synchronous with the rotation frequency of the field, the efficiency is high - up to 80% [2] .
What is the material of the outer rotor of this ДП-3 motor ? Looks like regular iron.
Quote from: lancaIV on August 08, 2023, 07:20:22 AM
This australian guy/guide more comprehensive ?
The GGOE GEARBOX
...
Do you have one? Using it as we speak?
Independent verification? Replication?
I saw this a few days ago. Looked it over enough. It is a scam.
bi
Actually, the promised patent application (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581051/#msg581051): https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040239118A1/en
PS
At the input of those guys needed a motor of low power, with a very high speed of rotation, with a working mode in a long time interval, for this they turned to me. At the output was a large torque but with low revolutions, the car with this gearbox developed no more than 20-25 km / h.
QuoteIntertia constant generator Abstract:
An inertia constant generator that needs only the external power to drive the motor upon start-up, and then achieves constant operation with residual power output by supplying partial power output to keep driving the motor, essentially comprised of a drive motor, multiple turning gears, a spindle, two belt turning gear, a belt, multiple ratio gear fixtures, multiple turning gear fixtures, and a power generation unit working on the principle of tuning gear inertia.
Quote from: kolbacict on August 08, 2023, 09:12:53 AM
The hysteresis moment M g does not depend on the rotor speed. A radical way to increase the torque of a hysteresis motor is the use of hard magnetic materials with a rectangular hysteresis loop. The rotation frequency of such an engine is synchronous with the rotation frequency of the field, the efficiency is high - up to 80% [2]
https://servomotors-ru.translate.goog/documentation/electromotor/book2/book2p7.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en (https://servomotors-ru.translate.goog/documentation/electromotor/book2/book2p7.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
Table 13.6. Technical data of engines
G-31 efficiency 0,14 - 0,17
G-33 efficiency 0,21 - 0,24
G-34 efficiency 0,13 - 0,16
But it looks like some of hysteresis motors have a dark side.
"LIST OF DUAL-USE GOODS"
page 26 paragraph 10
QuoteSpecially designed facilities for the separation of the isotopes of "natural uranium", "depleted uranium" and "special fissile materials" and components, as follows:..
10. Ring-shaped motor stators for high-speed multi-phase hysteresis (or reactive) AC motors for synchronous operation in vacuum conditions in the frequency range of 600-2000 Hz and in the power range of 50-1000 VA;
https://2009-2017.state.gov/strategictrade/documents/organization/166380.pdf
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 08, 2023, 09:42:26 AM
Actually, the promised patent application (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581051/#msg581051): https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040239118A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040239118A1/en)
O boy..................In regards to picture from above
here is the link:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192466/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192466/image//)
The energy consumed to lift the weight is always "the same."
But if we add to it friction and weight of pullies than
the more pullies you have the more energy you need to apply to lift the weight, even if it looks like having 7 pullies it is x/6 easier to lift it.
No Gain!!! only more losses
Energy consumed to lift the weight using series of pullies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI)
By that even if I didn't read the patent application the concept in a
nonsense.
It is easy to look at that application history.
2003-05- 29 Application filed by LIN MAO CHANG
2003-05 29 Priority to US10/446,796
2003-05-29 Assigned to PENG, JUNG-CHING, LIN, MAO CHANG
2004-12-02 Publication of US20040239118A1
Status:Abandoned 2005-06-30- FAILURE TO RESPOND TO AN OFFICE ACTION
Comment: "No wonder
why"
or in correct English :
No wonder 80% places for students in USA major educational facilities are occupied
by wealthy Chinese kids, as their parents rather prefer American than Chinese education.
Wesley
#2803 :
No and I would never buy one GGOE,50/20/10 KW not my interest !Neither from Holcomb nor from airpower and other !
Public co-operative : partly 125 W participation,probably ! ( Below explained )
As I wrote,again,I am using grid served electricity !
I am 250 Wp-500 Wp 24/365 generator and 3 KWh/day PE consume conventional future-house planner and realizer.
Frugal-alternative :
12 W body heating consume (per body)and living in an inflateable bulb ,not heated,,wind-/rain saved !
Beside the bulb a 300 US$ (jovoto 300 US$ house)' housemaker'-kitchen,bath-box (8sqm)with daily to 600 Wh decreased warmwater/appliances/light elctric power consume.
25 W kitchen/bath + 12 W each body = ....... answer by appropiate -near life- phantasy,pro or/and contra
100 W generator in this case - 4 capita- sufficient,~ caravavan/RV/home-mobile/trailer
( Irony button on : by Joseph Birmingham its NanoBOXX production costs claim : 40 US$/KW,1/10 would be seeming affordable,+ producer/inventor 'margin' !? - irony button off )
Many eco-resorts are actually errected by a similar ,glamping ,philosophy !
https://www.glamping.com/
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&ei=RYXSZJy1O6yrkdUPqbWloAU&q=glamping&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc69vQ1M2AAxWsVaQEHalaCVQQ7Al6BAgKEAI&biw=600&bih=784 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&ei=RYXSZJy1O6yrkdUPqbWloAU&q=glamping&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc69vQ1M2AAxWsVaQEHalaCVQQ7Al6BAgKEAI&biw=600&bih=784)
Ancient ' burning man ' survive event/Nevada ( hexapod-kit) ,today more Barbie+Ken-alias coachella - festival
100 Watt/2,4 KWh per day as global private household standart !
50/20/10 KW GGOE or HES or airpower .......
+ emitter/receiver nearly 90% efficient,improved basic idea https://overunity.com/19527/edison-dolbear-wireless-grid-early-1900s/msg581029/#new (https://overunity.com/19527/edison-dolbear-wireless-grid-early-1900s/msg581029/#new) each fixed/mobile household an 125 Watt antenna .
300 €/KW divided 1000 W/125 W = 37,5 €/ household antenna source participation costs .
My view is not dictation,but ever possibilty to think about !
Many families(multi hundred millions) near rivers,coasts,valleeis,forests,islands,earth self frontiers global will loose their homes,new beginning with no/low substancial capital ?
The social system is over-dept !
Climate (cycle) stress : Vanuatu before/after,Puerto Rico,Haiti,Fukushima,Ahrweiler, .....
Quote from: stivep on August 08, 2023, 10:28:39 AM
O boy..................
In regards to picture from above
here is the link:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192466/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192466/image//)
The energy consumed to lift the weight is always "the same."
But if we add to it friction and weight of pullies than
the more pullies you have the more energy you need to apply to lift the weight, even if it looks like having 7 pullies it is x/6 easier to lift it.
No Gain!!! only more losses
Energy consumed to lift the weight using series of pullies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI)
By that even if I didn't read the patent application the concept in a nonsense.
It is easy to look at that application history.
2003-05- 29 Application filed by LIN MAO CHANG
2003-05 29 Priority to US10/446,796
2003-05-29 Assigned to PENG, JUNG-CHING, LIN, MAO CHANG
2004-12-02 Publication of US20040239118A1
Status:
Abandoned 2005-06-30- FAILURE TO RESPOND TO AN OFFICE ACTION
Comment: "No wonder why"
or in correct English :
No wonder 80% places for students in USA major educational facilities are occupied
by wealthy Chinese kids, as their parents rather prefer American than Chinese education.
Wesley
QuoteA chain hoist is a mechanism used to facilitate lifting a load with the least amount of effort. It consists of movable and fixed blocks connected by flexible links (ropes, chains). The scheme of the polyspast is an element of the mechanism of a crane, elevator, winch and dozens of other machines. Its use eliminates the need to install a powerful drive, allowing a winch with a weak motor to pull a heavy load.
Polyspallet (Greek πολύσπαστον from πολύσπαστος - pulled by many ropes or ropes) is a hoist, a hoisting device consisting of blocks assembled in a movable and fixed cage, successively enveloped by a rope or chain,
and designed to win in force (power polyspallet) or in speed (speed polyspallet).
Block and tackle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_and_tackle
Wesley, didn't you study such a fascinating device in high school physics? Your teacher didn't tell you why.
Are there, similar devices on gear drives or belt drives? In fact it is a gearbox, the only question is its design.
I don't know the gearbox design of those guys, this is my speculation.
rakarskiy,in 1:1 translation ~ ' bottles-train' , ::) ,Flaschenzug,conventional : pulley
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaschenzug (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaschenzug)
Vorrichtung, die den Betrag der aufzubringenden Kraft z. B. zum Bewegen von Lasten verringert
Leistung~ power ,Arbeit~ work , Kraft~ force , Druck ~ pressure
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O-NGl0mmOWU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O-NGl0mmOWU)
Reibung/friction ,Reibungskoeffizient,Reibungszahl ,today making part : Tribology
Hubkraft/Zugkraft
Mechanics + Electromagnetic Dynamics ( linear,progressive)
Lever,lever arm,equivalent in
https://de.scribd.com/doc/60198978/Patent-Free-Energy-Machine-Lutec-1000#
https://m.facebook.com/SearlEffectGeneratorEther/
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2015031872A1/en
You didn't view video attached by me before you wrote your comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GuldysCVjI)
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 08, 2023, 01:18:02 PM
Wesley, didn't you study such a fascinating device in high school physics?
the gearbox
I was talking about total energy used to lift the load/weight.
Although you may pull the rope with two fingers to lift the load/weight, the total energy needed to pull it is always greater than if you were just lift it using one pulley.
The more pulleys you add the more energy in total you will use.
So by multiplying pulleys you'll pay more for electricity used by motor that is pulling the load for you-in that time if you do not apply stopper, you also need to use energy for hold the rope, - additionally to losses on pulleys weight and friction.
From the perspective of a young girl it is cool.
From the perspective of FE
there is no gain, only added losses.
of energy needed to lift the weight, as you need to apply the force for significantly
longer time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnYVz1TSmBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnYVz1TSmBQ)Wesley
Wesley, I know the lever system very well, a tenet I've learned since high school:
For the lever F1*L1 = F2*L2 and for the gearbox (F1*V1 = F2*V2) "You win in force you lose in speed, You win in speed you lose in force".
And now watch the video carefully and take screenshots of power at all stages of operation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq98r-rdayo&t=523s The second video is operation at the most optimal mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgfZy6KllcE.
The first is the shoulder big wheel flywheel (this inertial product has a golden mean, it is enough to operate it a little bit your on the value of this golden mean ...), the next point is the drive motor, which must have a good speed of rotation, good power. Such a motor is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJiotQBMj5g&t=104s just such a motor I offered them with their scheme of regeneration, as a result we got up to 80% of the return of energy input into the motor control circuit.
To make a small home power plant based on a lever and a flywheel (the flywheel in this design is more of a stabilizer than a multiplier, just the radius of the wheel is a lever), you don't need to trust your physics teacher too much. There is a rough proverb "for every tricky nut-ass, there is a cock-screw" Engineers are not the ones who trust a physics dickhead, but the ones who look for solutions.
Plus there is still a class of generators that can have electromagnetic torque reduced many times over. It just all requires knowledge, skill, etc.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/magnetic-generator-cop-12.html
Let the man sleep, it's night there now.
And in general, Wesley said that perpetual motion machines do not exist, so they do not exist!
:D
Rakarskiy, I have one simple question for you:
- if you are sure that your motor generates more energy than is consumed, why do you need to make a motor, then somehow convert mechanical energy into electrical energy?
If you are sure that there is free energy in the motor or generator, then make an over-unity transformer instead of the motor. The transformer is much simpler and more reliable in operation.
QuoteOccam's razor is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity+transformer (https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity+transformer)
Sergh,not motionless transformer,but rotoverter + below :
What did the applicant think,what in his description as process and effect happens/happened :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1#)
Each electric car its brake waste energy recuperated x amplified battery charge = unlimited energy cycle ?
Autotransformer/welding transformer dis-/ad-vantage,energetical ?
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on August 09, 2023, 04:57:36 AM
Sergh,not motionless transformer, but rotoverter
Rotoverter ist cool, besonders wenn es funktionieren würde. ;D
Quote from: lancaIV on August 09, 2023, 04:57:36 AMWhat did the applicant think,what in his description as process and effect happens/happened :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1#)
Claims of DE29812556
Quote1. Gerät zur Verbesserung der Generatorleistung.
Durch zusammenschließen eines Stromkreises mit hoher Spannung (z.B. 220 V) mit einem Stromkreis mit hohem Strom (z.B. 50 A)
2. Gerät nach Schutzanspruch 1.
Der Strom wird von einem Generator abgenommen. Die Generatorausgangsleistung wird ohne einwirkung von von Fremdströmen erhöht.
Von dem unter 1 genannten Anspruch sind ausgenommen z.B. Drehstromschweißgeräte, denn dort wird aus 3 schwächeren Phasen eine stärkere Phase (Schweißstrom) gemacht.
(facepalm)
Dies ist genau das, was in der russischsprachigen Freie Energie - Gemeinschaft ironischerweise ,,eine Schlange und einen Igel heiraten" (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C+%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B0+%D0%B8+%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B0%22&tbm=isch&sa=X) genannt wird.
Quote from: Sergh on August 09, 2023, 04:39:39 AM
Rakarskiy, I have one simple question for you:
- if you are sure that your motor generates more energy than is consumed, why do you need to make a motor, then somehow convert mechanical energy into electrical energy?
If you are sure that there is free energy in the motor or generator, then make an over-unity transformer instead of the motor. The transformer is much simpler and more reliable in operation.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity+transformer (https://www.google.com/search?q=overunity+transformer)
Mechanical power and electrical power are different things. A flux switching motor produces more shaft power (Pk=Fv) than is consumed (Pe=IU) by the electric excitation system, but the magnetic flux force of the permanent magnets is used to produce torque. With an appropriate regeneration algorithm, a portion of the electrical power (Pe=IU) can be returned to the system for re-excitation. Thus the balance of consumption will be inclusive of regeneration, i.e. less. The torque on the shaft can be used for various mechanical power consumers, including overcoming the electromagnetic torque of the generator. If the motor has 10-16 thousand revolutions per minute, the generator operating speed of 3000 rpm requires a gearbox. If the generator is performed in the same way with technology to reduce the resulting electromagnetic torque, again the result in the end will be even more interesting. With a slave wheel - flywheel, as a stabilizer of mechanical rotation, the most successful variant for the generator operation. We have only one gear, to the edge of the driven wheel (flywheel), if you use even magnetic in general fairy tale, only cost.Purely engineering solution for electromagnetic mechanical construction. The question is that the corresponding developed system is required. Creation of such a motor requires a technological procedure. Those who are interested in it do it, I know it for sure.
About static designs I do not have exact verified data, I am just working on it.
Except naturally for the Holcomb system, but this is an algorithm of synchronous mechanical electromagnetic generator. This system has its own "buboes" - system start-up, and holding current in phase at changing loads.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 09, 2023, 05:22:21 AM
Mechanical power and electrical power are different things.
Oh really?
Both power is measured in watts. But power is not interesting at all in our topic. Energy is important, which is also measured in the same joules or kilowatt-hours, if it is more convenient.
You can always place coils directly on your engine to collect electrical energy, so as not to make an additional mechanical connection with the generator.No matter how efficient, less efficiency will create less load and less consumption.
And then what's the point in rotating a piece of iron on a stick?
The magnetic field in the motor rotates without it.
Why then useless rotation of iron?
Quote from: Sergh on August 09, 2023, 05:30:40 AM
Oh really?
Both power is measured in watts. But power is not interesting at all in our topic. Energy is important, which is also measured in the same joules or kilowatt-hours, if it is more convenient.
You can always place coils directly on your engine to collect electrical energy, so as not to make an additional mechanical connection with the generator.
And then what's the point in rotating a piece of iron on a stick?
The magnetic field in the motor rotates without it.
Why then useless rotation of iron?
It is always a question of technical and financial capabilities of the one who does it. The lower the frequency of the generator, the less reactive resistance in its circuit. Hardware base for high-frequency systems is also not happy with its price. So, everything is in the realm of engineering solutions based on the budget and technical feasibility.
Sergh,Nein !For easier understanding it is said electric and/or mechanical Watt,but officially W or VA ,technical art/kind dependent !
We can lower Watt linear or increase,VA not linear ,affecting V gives A reaction : Ohms law !
Rotoverter ist cool, besonders wenn es funktionieren würde.
The generator side is recuperating unused motor energy,recuperation process like from cars or cranes !
100 unit consume/30 units recuperation( included charger,battery losts)
Improveable !
A russian inventor tried to sold his comercial right about 2x efficiency related conventional welding transformer improved output,in the 90': old,archive.org now,www.1000inventions..com ,an international R&D exposition site,now www.inpama.com (http://www.inpama.com)
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p.s.: Sergh ,100/30 = 3,33 times need for higher battery charge and mathematical ' eternal function' !
motor from battery 1 sourced
generator charging battery 2
battery 2 charging battery 1,intermittent between both batteries
https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003009558&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en (https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003009558&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en)
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Therefore, by designing a specific magnetic path based on the AC power source to be used, its frequency, and the desired output power, it is possible to obtain an output power several times to several tens of times greater than the input power. Since the device is small and can be easily manufactured, it can be realized at extremely low cost.In addition, there is no risk of disturbing the environment such as generation of vibration, noise, exhaust gas waste, etc. in power generation. It is a power generation method and a power generation device that greatly contribute to the reduction of electricity.
3,33 ~ several times
improvement : primary coil [ (pseudo-)supercondutive ]
Haende ueberm Kopf( a.ausruhen ! , b.OMG,solch ein Schwachsinn ! ) :
Ohm,Kirchhoff related :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A#)
3,33 times ~ 4 nichrome coils
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150427&CC=PT&NR=107252A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150427&CC=PT&NR=107252A&KC=A#)
legal status ? Which performance ?
This same inventor :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20131028&CC=PT&NR=106273A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20131028&CC=PT&NR=106273A&KC=A#)
less resistance = higher speed/torque
Comparing :
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.unii.ac.jp/erina-unp/archive/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/B-OKUNOYA-e.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiXlPztuc-AAxU0VqQEHZZxAPAQFnoECAcQAg&usg=AOvVaw1R6VM3WZOc2VMpHkQ6ZZJE (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.unii.ac.jp/erina-unp/archive/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/B-OKUNOYA-e.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiXlPztuc-AAxU0VqQEHZZxAPAQFnoECAcQAg&usg=AOvVaw1R6VM3WZOc2VMpHkQ6ZZJE)
The generator !
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130038069A1/de (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130038069A1/de)
[0041] When coaxial inversion occurs between the housing main body 11 and the coil body 31 housed thereinside as stated above, providing that the velocity V 2 (rotating velocity) attained when either the flux linkage magnets or the coil body is rotated while the other is fixed is "1," the relative velocity V 1 between the first and second flux linkage magnets 21 , 22 within the housing main body 11 and the coil portion 32 within the coil body 31 is twice the same, "2" (V 1 =2V 2 ). Consequently, a generated power output as large as "4 times" the generated power output obtained when either the flux linkage magnets or the coil body is rotated while the other is fixed can be realized at the coil portion 32 within the coil body 31 . Namely, the disk-shaped coaxial inversion generator 1 ensuring strikingly large generated power output (that is, high conversion efficiency from natural energy to electric power) can be realized.
Fixed/variable relative velocity versus cw variable/ccw variable relative velocity
use ? wind or [0061]
Instead wind-/waterwheel-rotor an electro-permanent-magnetic rotor-drive ?
Halbach-/Ronbach-array motor as drive ,an object and the coupled generator/alternator ?
https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130314&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2013062983A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130314&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
The novel magnet array disclosed herein can also replace every, or substantially every, use of conventional magnets which are used in motors, generators, transformers, or any device that produces or transmits electricity with the use of magnets, in order to make such applications more efficient and/or powerful.
Rotoverter ist cool, besonders wenn es funktionieren würde.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdhAfMor9BM (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdhAfMor9BM)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=hildenbrand+jack+magnet+&oq=hildenbrand+jack+magnet+&aqs=heirloom-srp..
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&ei=P4HTZOfdM_GO9u8Pnfa26A8&q=hildenbrand+jack+magnet&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin-cH3xM-AAxVxh_0HHR27Df0Q7Al6BAgFEAI&biw=600&bih=888#imgrc=J6oV5CPbnJmMDM
DC,AC,AC frequency input ?
Quote from: lancaIV on August 09, 2023, 06:14:54 AM
What did the applicant think,what in his description as process and effect happens/happened :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1#)
A russian inventor tried to sold his comercial right about 2x efficiency related conventional welding transformer improved output,in the 90': old,archive.org now,www.1000inventions..com ,an international R&D exposition site,now www.inpama.com (http://www.inpama.com)
Patents a welder for welding equipment.
The increase in power, according to the welder, means that it is easier for him to work. There is nothing to do with free energy.
It is easier for the welder to maintain the arc. Do you have experience as a welder?
https://www.schweisskurse-merkle.de/ratgeber/schweissverfahren/wig-schweissen/zuendung-des-lichtbogens/ (https://www.schweisskurse-merkle.de/ratgeber/schweissverfahren/wig-schweissen/zuendung-des-lichtbogens/)
QuoteBerührungsloses Zünden durch Hochspannungsimpulse
Bei dieser Methode wird die Elektrode zunächst ebenfalls an das Werkstück angenähert, allerdings nur bis auf eine Entfernung von etwa zwei Millimeter.
Dann werden Hochspannungsimpulse durch das Schweißgerät geschickt, die einen Hilfslichtbogen erzeugen. Durch diesen wird das Schutzgas leitfähig gemacht und der eigentliche Lichtbogen entsteht.
Non-contact ignition by high-voltage pulses
With this method, the electrode is also first approached to the workpiece, but only up to a distance of about two millimeters.
High voltage pulses are then sent through the welder, creating a pilot arc. This makes the protective gas conductive and the actual arc is created.
Up to Plasma torch electric circuit explanation ?The uran-/hydrogen actor 'capacitive electric ' moderator ' ?
Each improvement in devices let us all do the question :
% efficiency before/after from theoretical efficiency max.
f.e. motors their efficiency :
XY% from mathematical limit 100% = 1 ,or XY% from physical Carnot limit !?
In work applied,average/peak efficiency,efficiency curve,scale
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Astra ASRE just announced that they have manufacturing in place for HES technology
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Incs-New-CEO-Immediately-Pays-Off-Convertible-Note-Ahead-of-Maturity-Date?id=410422
Quote from: Lottalead on August 10, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Astra ASRE just announced that they have manufacturing in place for HES technology
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Incs-New-CEO-Immediately-Pays-Off-Convertible-Note-Ahead-of-Maturity-Date?id=410422 (https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Incs-New-CEO-Immediately-Pays-Off-Convertible-Note-Ahead-of-Maturity-Date?id=410422)
some findings pay attention to dates:-requires to go from link to link for continued analysis:
1. -Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC- (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html) join venture .
goal: clean energy technology that takes power input from any source – fossil fuels or renewables
dated SAN DIEGO
, Oct. 31, 20222. -Astra-Energy-Incs-New-CEO- (https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news/Astra-Energy-Incs-New-CEO-Immediately-Pays-Off-Convertible-Note-Ahead-of-Maturity-Date?id=410422)
dated:
08/10/2023 new Chairman and CEO
information about company activity: India, Vietnam, Africa(Zanzibar), California USA, mostly acquirement.
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news (https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ASRE/news)
2a: - looking at HES of Holcomb.
The HES utilizes the natural
energy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity while requiring no fuel, releasing zero carbon emissions, and having no moving parts - therefore running completely silent.
// harnessing previously untapped energy from the electron spin within electrical steel, the HES eliminates the need for any external source of power,
Holcomb-Scientific-Research-Unveils-Entirely-New-Source-of-Zero-Emissions-Energy (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220210005770/en/Holcomb-Scientific-Research-Unveils-Entirely-New-Source-of-Zero-Emissions-Energy)
February 10, 2022 3. - North Carolina State University, the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL),
the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Ohio State University.
Paramagnetic
spins take electrons for a ride, produce electricity from heat https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html)
"paramagnon drag thermopower,"
converts a temperature difference into an electrical voltage. https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html)
SEPTEMBER 13, 2019Conclusions:point 3 talks about ownership to discovery.
Both HES and Ohio talks about electrical energy and electron spin.
The difference is that HES doesn't have any patent
for it.Can it be that Astra enquired among many some of Ohio technology or HES is just using an excuse, trying to make believe that
there is something in it as science is also talking about similar things.?
Wesley
O.., someone may have yet another explanation:
Astra enquired quite few technologies and/or assets in different parts of the world.
But they entered into relationship with HES year ago when HES findings were still "hot" enough.
And today 1 year later, they are left with obligations to pay investors.
Opinion expressed is my own.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581126/#msg581126 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581126/#msg581126)
Wesley
The problem with integrating Holcomb's system is that physicists can't explain how his device works. Physicists can't give up their professorial regalia, doctorates and other benefits. There's no electron in electricity, much less magnetism. It's a shame they have this "damned generator" working and that's it, They drive around looking for hidden cables and that's it.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7094775159382790144/
ESR and MSR,spin theory is some decades old .
Why should Holcomb Research not have patents ? They have some !
But differing : utility model patent applications are never approved,automatic granted !
By utility model applicant prior application right of others process risc !
Technical Standart patent application : Approved,patent-office-peers granted ?
Only national right( US,DE,FR,GB,RU,CN,....) ,international rights(WO,EP,EA,..) ?
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Robert+Ray+Holcomb (https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Robert+Ray+Holcomb)
Questionfull the treatment process from https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/068165560/publication/WO2021063522A1?q=pn%3DCR20220193A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/068165560/publication/WO2021063522A1?q=pn%3DCR20220193A)
The basic technology ?
For EP zone right : 07.03.2023 ?
https://register.epo.org/application?tab=doclist&number=EP19783511&lng=de (https://register.epo.org/application?tab=doclist&number=EP19783511&lng=de)
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Quote from: lancaIV on August 10, 2023, 03:58:54 PM
Why should Holcomb Research not have patents ? They have some !
You are not reading carefully.
I said: "
for it."
Quote from: stivep on August 10, 2023, 03:00:37 PM
Conclusions:
point 3 talks about ownership to discovery.
Both HES and Ohio talks about electrical energy and electron spin.
The difference is that HES doesn't have any patent for it.
I was talking not about any patent but about specific patent in specific field.
Wesley
I did read it carefully !
The difference is that HES (formerly written: Has ) doesn't have any patent for it.
There is ever one application field claim right,not ' specific' patent !
(Eigen-)Spin ( today as QED expression) is the impulsemoment/um in classical physics
spin,called in german also ' Drall,das Gesetz des Drall(s)'
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwBiEX8IO8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwBiEX8IO8)
Systemintegrated applied,1972, in :
https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/read/20184764/otto-stein-die-zukunft-der-technik-pdf (https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/read/20184764/otto-stein-die-zukunft-der-technik-pdf)
page 23
+- 50 years back,a Professor,migrated from Romania/Rumaenien to Germania,Germany his R&D :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=18&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19741017&CC=DE&NR=2317724A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=18&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19741017&CC=DE&NR=2317724A1&KC=A1#)
and from him another,C2 = granted, :
https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2143461&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2143461&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
1952 a first experimental prototype !?
Dormant Science
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_sonics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_sonics)
1918
http://www.rexresearch.com/bellocq/bellocq.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/bellocq/bellocq.htm)
Compression waves moving in liquid are to a very considerable extent controlled by or operate in accordance with substantially the same laws as those governing alternating current electricity. The curves of pressure and flow of such waves are analogous to the voltage and amperage curves of electric current in that the difference in phase may determine the value of the wave. Inertia, capacity, resistance or friction and leakage in a liquid system correspond more or less to induction, capacity, resistance, and losses respectively in electricity.
thermal noise ~ thermal voltage ~ thermal oscillations thermal = greater 0° K,old view (KFZ Juelich sub-0°K)
QuantumMetaPhysics ,Meta for ' new creation' (Metamaterial,Metaprocess)
Here some in activity paralyzed, feeling becoming older/old age disease ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=41&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19791206&CC=DE&NR=2824054A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=41&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19791206&CC=DE&NR=2824054A1&KC=A1#)
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Recently noticed this on the internet. Pasted below as a screenshot.
50 milliwatts!
Impressive.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 11, 2023, 04:00:14 AM
Recently noticed this on the internet. Pasted below as a screenshot.
50 milliwatts!
Impressive.
bi
abracadabra :
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ASTRA-ENERGY-INC-111328093/news/AfrElec-Astra-Energy-secures-land-for-50-MW-renewable-power-plant-in-Zanzibar-43395518/ (https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ASTRA-ENERGY-INC-111328093/news/AfrElec-Astra-Energy-secures-land-for-50-MW-renewable-power-plant-in-Zanzibar-43395518/)
and 50 mW are 1 000 000 times amplified !
By mental free energy !
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Post edit : Upps,what a shame ! :-\ :-[ :P
50 mW x 1 000 000 = gets only 50 KW
50 mW x 1 000 000 000 = 50 MW
Nobody,I included,is perfect
To #2828 :
So we see,FE is the thermal/gigaoscillations gradient between unconcentrated atmospherical average temperature/pressure about positive 15,5°C and 0°K ~ negative 273,15°C on planet Earth
Compressed Fusion temperature / non RT superconductor lowest resistance temperature
Not sure if any of you have seen this rejection letter from the USPTO re Holcombs patent application for his self running generator.
Apart from the usual rejection of any device claiming overunity, the USPTO unusually asked for a demonstration and a peer review by an accredited organisation.
That could be a power utility company or a university, either way that would mean independent measurements.
Regards L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 11, 2023, 08:30:54 AM
Not sure if any of you have seen this rejection letter from the USPTO re Holcombs patent application for his self running generator.
Apart from the usual rejection of any device claiming overunity, the USPTO unusually asked for a demonstration and a peer review by an accredited organisation.
That could be a power utility company or a university, either way that would mean independent measurements.
Regards L192
Thanks L192,
It appears that the response period has expired. Are you aware of any attempt by Holcomb to satisfy the request?
bi
I keep an eye on the WPO patent application and the US patent application and I have not found any recent Holcomb action on either.
Regards
L192
Honestly
I have heard from reputable sources
Holcomb has 50 ? Or more patents
And several very appropriate to his claims here (4 or 5?)
—-///——
Helping people in poverty is what will change the world ( seems they "appear" ? To help Africa?
Time will tell if it's sincerely helping average person
Or infrastructure to bigger markets ?
We see plenty trying to power ( solar) Europe from Africa and similar arid regions?
Nothing would help faster than onsite autonomous power modules which work 24/7 day or night..
No need for infrastructure .
Would reverse migration models ,stop decimation of so many resources..
And bring many new resources to inhabitants .
Not just one man's opinion..( read mission statement here)
Will be nice to open source free energy systems ..
Robert Ray Holcomb applications listed :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Robert+ray+holcomb&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Robert+ray+holcomb&CPC=&IC=)
As to see ,12., the only( electrotherapy devices excluding) granted - for U.S.A.valid,not international,patent
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150528&CC=US&NR=2015145364A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150528&CC=US&NR=2015145364A1&KC=A1#)
But :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=US&NR=10008916B2&KC=B2&FT=D&ND=4&date=20180626&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=US&NR=10008916B2&KC=B2&FT=D&ND=4&date=20180626&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
Expired !
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Quote from: listener192 on August 11, 2023, 08:30:54 AM
Not sure if any of you have seen this rejection letter from the USPTO re Holcombs patent application for his self running generator.
Apart from the usual rejection of any device claiming overunity, the USPTO unusually asked for a demonstration and a peer review by an accredited organisation.
That could be a power utility company or a university, either way that would mean independent measurements.
I like this part in the rejection letter, "the claimed invention violates the first law of thermodynamics, which is also known as the principal of conservation of energy, stating the internal energy of an isolated system remains constant"
Man, I would love to debate these dim wits on a live internet video feed, lol.
Uhm, I have a few questions...
1)You falsely claimed, "the claimed invention violates the first law of thermodynamics" but also infer nothing can violate it. So which is it?, did the invention violate something you claim cannot be violated or did it not?.
2)You falsely claimed, the first law of thermodynamics is also known as the principal of the conservation of energy, which is a fallacy. Thermo(heat)-dynamics(motion) is only one form of energy not the same as others like Electro(electric field)-dynamics(motion). In fact, the Conservation of Energy applies to any and/or all forms energy could theoretically take not only something as primitive as heat. You do not seem to understand basic physics or the nature of your claim.
3)You falsely claimed, "the claimed invention violates the first law of thermodynamics, stating the internal energy of an isolated system remains constant". First you would have to prove a truly isolated system can actually exist which you cannot. Second, the patent never claimed the invention was an "imaginary" isolated system which cannot exist. Third, in all open systems which the invention obviously is the total energy is never constant.
I get tired of people too dense to understand basic logic and reasoning.
Logically, they cannot claim "something" violates a law which they also claim cannot be violated because it's a direct contradiction. They could claim the invention violates the first law of thermodynamics but then they would have to explain exactly how, show a direct connection between heat(jiggling atoms) and any other forms of energy present and how all this relates to the invention/process specifically. There not even remotely intelligent enough to do this so of course they generalize using fallacies.
AC
A demonstration of the device to the USPTO, under the supervision of say MIT or similar accredited organisation, would take care of this.
USPTO are inviting this in the letter?
L192
Quote from: ramset on August 11, 2023, 11:07:33 AM
Honestly
I have heard from reputable sources
Holcomb has 50 ? Or more patents
And several very appropriate to his claims here (4 or 5?)
—-///——
Helping people in poverty is what will change the world ( seems they "appear" ? To help Africa?
Time will tell if it's sincerely helping average person
Or infrastructure to bigger markets ?
We see plenty trying to power ( solar) Europe from Africa and similar arid regions?
Nothing would help faster than onsite autonomous power modules which work 24/7 day or night..
No need for infrastructure .
Would reverse migration models ,stop decimation of so many resources..
And bring many new resources to inhabitants .
Not just one man's opinion..( read mission statement here)
Will be nice to open source free energy systems ..
Ramset,
Please help me out here - so I can better understand how this is all supposed to work.
Define, in as much detail as possible, what "
an open source free energy system,"
as you view it,
would consist of.
Your definition of an open source free energy system is:
1. -
2. -
3. -
and so forth. It might help a great deal if there where some defined targets and goals.
Including - "from the initial concept", through, "the build", "the manufacture", "the final distribution,"
and "implementation." Show costs, if possible, thru each stage, and repairs, if needed. Application
examples, locale and in general (how and where). Minimum requirements, etc.. be specific.
Your interpretation of the whole process of an "open source free energy system." What is it exactly?
Thanks, regards
SL
Quote from: onepower on August 11, 2023, 12:41:49 PM
...
1)You falsely claimed, "the claimed invention violates the first law of thermodynamics" but also infer nothing can violate it. So which is it?, did the invention violate something you claim cannot be violated or did it not?.
...
Holcomb claims the invention does something which violates the first law. Therefore patent examiner is rejecting the claim as false. It is a false claim. Rejected. Easy to understand.
The examiner's offer to consider proof is generous in my opinion. Of course, he knows the applicant will not deliver such proof.
bi
SL
QuotePlease help me out here - so I can better understand how this is all supposed to work.
Define, in as much detail as possible, what "an open source free energy system,"
as you view it, would consist of.
Your definition of an open source free energy system is:
1. -
2. -
3. -
Hey, I can help...
Open Source: The term was based on providing free software or code but changed. It now means to provide others with the information and knowledge required to build or repeat what someone else has accomplished free of any associated costs. Ergo, I would give you the information needed to repeat what I have already done and expect nothing in return.
In English: Open(unobstructed use), Source(the point of origin of something ie. an idea or technology)
Free Energy: Anyone who actually understands what energy is and how it works understands all energy is inherently free. The only supposed cost relates to transforming energy into a more practical form based on ones own understanding of energy. For example, solar energy from the Sun is inherently free and you didn't create or pay for the radiant energy raining down on this planet for billions of years before mankind even existed. The only associated cost relates to transforming said energy into some form we find useful.
In English: Free(no associated cost, independent, not controlled), Energy(the capacity to perform work, kinetic energy or the change on some level which could be transferred or transformed)
In effect, free energy relates to the fact that all energy is inherently free. Ergo, there should be less expensive, cleaner, more intelligent and more practical ways to transform energy than currently utilized. For example, the under-educated hunter/gather mindset think they need to burn stuff for energy but then Einstein and friends found we could convert the inherent motion of particles within an atom into heat as something called "nuclear energy". You see, were learning.
The next step will be the transition from still primitive concepts like fission/fusion/heat into the direct conversion of atomic energy into electricity. Heat is primitive, why convert energy into jiggling atoms as heat requiring much more equipment when we could convert the same energy directly into a linear motion as an electron current?.
AC
AC,
Thanks - yea, I get all that, but what really needs definition and clarification is:
It might help a great deal if there where some defined targets and goals.
Including - "from the initial concept", through, "the build", "the manufacture", "the final distribution,"
and "implementation." Show costs, if possible, thru each stage, and repairs, if needed. Application
examples, locale and in general (how and where). Minimum requirements, etc.. be specific.
Your interpretation of the whole process of an "open source free energy system." What is it exactly?
OK, the scheme, schematics and build information are freely available - so, how, specifically, does that save the world?
How is this "World saving open source free energy system accomplished?" Specifically? How is this all done - in detail?
SL
. BTW - Patents are "open source" in the sense they are written such that
it is assumed that "one skilled in the art" can replicate the scheme as presented.
Also, you can build a scheme based the patent for experimental purposes or for
your own individual personal use. You just can't sell it - if you do you will have to forfit any profits and
costs to the initial inventor.
So, a patent is in effect "open source" at the individual level. But it doesn't solve the
Worlds Free Energy quest; other than on an individual level - and most are not "skilled in the art."
We're still stuck with the problem of "How is this "World saving open source free energy system accomplished?"
There is a simple answer if you think about it!
SL
By definition, open source is public information
every technology developed here on this forum is,
and always will be Open Source, and held in the public realm.
Stephan has built and maintained this ideology for over 30 years
Open Source and the free sharing of information is the single most important
aspect of our community, and is the basis of 'what we do' here.
Whether or not a technology we are working on proves to be true "overunity" or simply a better way to use or harvest energy (like the joule thief, or the solar death ray),
the information we share with the world will always be freely available.
Unpatentable by law
Can your company make and sell a product based on open source technologies?
Sure
But no one entity can ever own exclusive rights to any of it. That is the major point
At the end of the day, this battle is much larger than 'just having free stuff'
This is about breaking free from the control systems that have perverted our energy supply
That starve the people of the world
That siphon 90% of everyones income
Eliminating the need for polluting fuels and dangerous technologies
Improving our way of lives
The things owning a patent can never achieve
As history has shown us, the powers that be will only buy your patent
Shelf the technology
and continue to do what they have always done.....
Think of it as scientific charity work
What would cost millions in laboratory funding
Can be achieved in a fraction of the time
with no centralized funding
Mostly because as independent experimenters we primarily fund ourselves....
When the groups are focused and all of our attentions are on a single project:
we have demonstrated the ability to effect changes in the world
Open source can be a very powerful tool
And the information can never be contained, controlled, or taken away.
Our tool causes complete and total dissemination.
Lots of "open source" already available.
Solar panels, water wheels, wind mills, and geo-thermal; for example.
Lots more in the works - magnetic motors, electromagnetic, etc.
But these have not yet solved the "World saving open source free energy system"
Why not? Maybe the problem isn't solely us {excess energy developers} - we
all know the technology exists and there is more than ample funds available!
Yet we toil and scrap in our myopic bubble...
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 05:32:29 PM
Lots of "open source" already available.
Solar panels, water wheels, wind mills, and geo-thermal; for example.
Lots more in the works - magnetic motors, electromagnetic, etc.
But these have not yet solved the "World saving open source free energy system"
Why not?
None of these are true "free energy systems"
The energy itself may be free, in the sense that you dont have to pay for sunlight or wind
and sometimes water, if it was lifted by natural means
However the components are certainly not free.
Nor is the completed product, available on the shelf.
Solar has potential, if we can lower the retail end-costs
wind mills also, if we can lower the costs
Water is difficult to tap, without rights to the flow of the stream, river, dam, etc.
In the U.S. the govt controls our waterways
Geothermal has the greatest potential, but that battle is fought on the investment side.
Noone that owns stocks in any other form of energy will ever invest in geothermal,
because of its potential to crash the markets.
Particularly: high-efficiency, closed system geothermal installations, which is what are needed.
If a magnetic, or electromagnetic generating method were to become open sourced,
this could indeed change things. However if the system is to complex to replicate at home,
or uses advanced materials not easily obtained...
The companies that produce them would have to make the tough decisions about how to handle their economic approach. Greed generally wins them over.
Why has the economy failed to provide us with "free energy"?
To put it simple, they have things they have to pay for.
And patent costs, or royalties to USE those patents only serve to increase those costs.
Trillions to blow shit up - and zero to solve the energy problems!
WTF Who's fault is that? Not the excess energy designers, or not!
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 05:57:40 PM
Trillions to blow shit up - and zero to solve the energy problems!
WTF Who's fault is that?
All of us who didnt secretly pay our politicians to do otherwise
I was raised in a time of peace, when gasoline was 76 cents per gallon
and (if we even had electric bills back then) the electric bill was so negligible noone spoke of it
wages have only doubled
Energy costs have x4 or more
The companies are not going to free us
This is something we will have to do without them
Dilemma - we can't take their money, since they will then own us, as they do now
(try a free government solar panel offer and owe them 10x the actual cost; they now own your home
and it never cost you a cent up-front - but you still owe them 10X plus interest)
Unfortunately, I still don't have an answer (yet)! In the mean time, build one for yourself and be happy! ;)
Quote from: sm0ky2 on August 11, 2023, 05:58:41 PM
All of us who didnt secretly pay our politicians to do otherwise
I was raised in a time of peace, when gasoline was 76 cents per gallon
and (if we even had electric bills back then) the electric bill was so negligible noone spoke of it
wages have only doubled
Energy costs have x4 or more
The companies are not going to free us
This is something we will have to do without them
Solarlab
You presume that the world has no options
Without your business models .."status quo or no!"
No chance at success ..
As you wrote , open source is evil , selfish ,parasites , ignorance, a joke .. etc etc
It's a foreign concept to you ..
Your in the wrong forum !
FE is the single most important technology for our future, while we still have that chance..
The dollar will not stand in the path of an open source FE breakthrough !
Perhaps your host ( Stefan) is entitled to his opinion?
( or you could read the second line after "welcome to overunity.com"
I will ask him to answer your question ..
My quote you asked about
"Will be nice to open source free energy systems ..
End quote
What we been trying to do here since day one
Figure it out
Open source And share it with the world..
Once we understand how it actually works !
Not on paper or sims or "marketing speak"
Thousands of benches just waiting for that open source breakthrough
Globally..
Yeah and entirely new economies will sprout, in places people are leaving in droves
Reverse migration
End to deforestation
End to burning our atmosphere ( insane?)
Etc etc
Been a door knocker all my life
Selling life... and survival...our planet's future
PLEASE...
Funding will never be an issue for open sourcing a breakthrough green tech ...
However
Research?
That's another story...
Good luck with your business ventures,financial advisors etc etc
Thousands wait for the opportunity to Teach ..
The best investment possible..
Let me re-ask my specific question:
Please include the - Funding will never be an issue for open sourcing a breakthrough green tech - sources.
There are likely hundreds of "excess energy" schemes on this forum alone - so why haven't any of these been developed?
Ramset,
Please help me out here - so I can better understand how this is all supposed to work.
Define, in as much detail as possible, what "an open source free energy system,"
as you view it, would consist of.
Your definition of an open source free energy system is:
1. -
2. -
3. -
and so forth. It might help a great deal if there where some defined targets and goals.
Including - "from the initial concept", through, "the build", "the manufacture", "the final distribution,"
and "implementation." Show costs, if possible, thru each stage, and repairs, if needed. Application
examples, locale and in general (how and where). Minimum requirements, etc.. be specific.
Your interpretation of the whole process of an "open source free energy system." What is it exactly?
Thanks, regards
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Let me re-ask my specific question:
Please include the - Funding will never be an issue for open sourcing a breakthrough green tech - sources.
Ramset,
Please help me out here - so I can better understand how this is all supposed to work.
Define, in as much detail as possible, what "an open source free energy system,"
as you view it, would consist of.
Your definition of an open source free energy system is:
1. -
2. -
3. -
and so forth. It might help a great deal if there where some defined targets and goals.
Including - "from the initial concept", through, "the build", "the manufacture", "the final distribution,"
and "implementation." Show costs, if possible, thru each stage, and repairs, if needed. Application
examples, locale and in general (how and where). Minimum requirements, etc.. be specific.
Your interpretation of the whole process of an "open source free energy system." What is it exactly?
Thanks, regards
SL
Solarlab
Good luck with your investor seminar questionnaire above
I think Smokey gave plenty of good insight.
Play your games with the kids ...
Quote from: ramset on August 11, 2023, 08:40:53 PM
Solarlab
Good luck with your investor seminar questionnaire above
I think Smokey gave plenty of good insight.
Play your games with the kids ...
There are likely hundreds of "excess energy" schemes on this forum alone - so why haven't any of these been developed?
Why can't you answer a straight forward question?
Other Forums highlight a variety of schemes, including working demos, at their once a year in-person meetings.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 08:44:34 PM
There are likely hundreds of "excess energy" schemes on this forum alone - so why haven't any of these been developed?
Why can't you answer a straight forward question?
There has never been proof and a successful replication.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 11, 2023, 08:54:41 PM
There has never been proof and a successful replication.
bi
Have you ever attended any of these "in-person get togethers" over the years?
Did you personally "test" any of the devices that were presented?
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 09:03:45 PM
Have you ever attended any of these "in-person get togethers" over the years?
Did you personally "test" any of the devices that were presented?
Are you speaking of Aaron's Energy Science shindigs promoted on Energetic forum?
bi
I take it your answer is NO - anway;
Here's a few links to Energy Forums from around the world.
Many of these are not really focused on "Excess Energy Devices" per se
however there is a lot of ad-hoc discussion on the subject and there are
many "Poster Exhibits" and "Suite Presentations" regarding a whole variety
of devices. Many also have working prototypes with test set-ups and
other things. They are well worth attending...
"Excess Energy" is becoming a "hot subject" for obvious reasons.
The world is a lot bigger than the "reclusive bubble forums" you are aware of!
https://www.ief.org/ (https://www.ief.org/) International Energy Forum
https://www.iaee.org/en/publications/newsletter.aspx (https://www.iaee.org/en/publications/newsletter.aspx) IAEE Energy Forum
https://www.nyenergyforum.org/ (https://www.nyenergyforum.org/) NY Energy Forum
https://allthingsenergyforum.com/ (https://allthingsenergyforum.com/) 2nd All Things Energy Forum
https://www.iea.org/ (https://www.iea.org/) iea
https://www.un.org/en/desa/renewable-energy-forum (https://www.un.org/en/desa/renewable-energy-forum) United Nations
https://emf.stanford.edu/ (https://emf.stanford.edu/) Energy Modeling Forum - Stanford
https://www.seforall.org/forum (https://www.seforall.org/forum) Sustainable Energy for All Forum
https://energyforums.net/ (https://energyforums.net/) EnergyForums - Energy Conservation Forums
https://cleancurrents.org/ (https://cleancurrents.org/) Clean Currents
https://www.icis.com/explore/ (https://www.icis.com/explore/) I-C-I-S
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ (https://www.aspeninstitute.org/) Aspen Institute - Energy
http://www.energystreamcmg.com/forums/forums-seminars.aspx (http://www.energystreamcmg.com/forums/forums-seminars.aspx) US Energy Stream
Another good source is "PAC World" magazine; Grid-centric but some great articles:
www.pacw.org (http://www.pacw.org)
And, yes, one Forum that does a yearly get together, with demonstrations, is the Energetic Forum. They also do a good job of vetting the demo setups.
There may be others still functioning but I haven't attended any of them in a few years.
Of course new ones spring up from time to time. So it's good to keep an eye out.
Hope this helps!
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 10:06:05 PM
I take it your answer is NO - anway;
Here's a few links to Energy Forums from around the world.
Many of these are not really focused on "Excess Energy Devices" per se
however there is a lot of ad-hoc discussion on the subject and there are
many "Poster Exhibits" and "Suite Presentations" regarding a whole variety
of devices. Many also have working prototypes with test set-ups and
other things. They are well worth attending...
"Excess Energy" is becoming a "hot subject" for obvious reasons.
The world is a lot bigger than the "reclusive bubble forums" you are aware of!
https://www.ief.org/ (https://www.ief.org/) International Energy Forum
https://www.iaee.org/en/publications/newsletter.aspx (https://www.iaee.org/en/publications/newsletter.aspx) IAEE Energy Forum
https://www.nyenergyforum.org/ (https://www.nyenergyforum.org/) NY Energy Forum
https://allthingsenergyforum.com/ (https://allthingsenergyforum.com/) 2nd All Things Energy Forum
https://www.iea.org/ (https://www.iea.org/) iea
https://www.un.org/en/desa/renewable-energy-forum (https://www.un.org/en/desa/renewable-energy-forum) United Nations
https://emf.stanford.edu/ (https://emf.stanford.edu/) Energy Modeling Forum - Stanford
https://www.seforall.org/forum (https://www.seforall.org/forum) Sustainable Energy for All Forum
https://energyforums.net/ (https://energyforums.net/) EnergyForums - Energy Conservation Forums
https://cleancurrents.org/ (https://cleancurrents.org/) Clean Currents
https://www.icis.com/explore/ (https://www.icis.com/explore/) I-C-I-S
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ (https://www.aspeninstitute.org/) Aspen Institute - Energy
http://www.energystreamcmg.com/forums/forums-seminars.aspx (http://www.energystreamcmg.com/forums/forums-seminars.aspx) US Energy Stream
And, yes, one Forum that does a yearly get together, with demonstrations, is the
Energetic Forum. They also do a good job of vetting the demo setups.
There may be others still functioning but I haven't attended any of them in a few years.
Of course new ones spring up from time to time. So it's good to keep an eye out.
Hope this helps!
Thanks.
I think you're easily fooled.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 11, 2023, 10:26:58 PM
Thanks.
I think you're easily fooled.
bi
Your welcome, anytime! :)
Hey, directly from the "Never a straight answer Forum"
Anyway, keep up the fair work - maybe someone will eventually feed you what you need!
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 10:27:57 PM
Your welcome, anytime! :)
Hey, directly from the "Never a straight answer Forum"
Anyway, keep up the fair work - maybe someone will eventually feed you what you need!
I gave you the straight answer.
Quote from: bistander on August 11, 2023, 08:54:41 PM
There has never been proof and a successful replication.
bi
Fair work. OK. At least I'm right. And I have what I need; just trying to do better for others.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 11, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
I gave you the straight answer.
Fair work. OK. At least I'm right. And I have what I need; just trying to do better for others.
bi
Right about what?
Also, we can decide for ourselves, what's true and what's not true.
We can read the "Power Bill Charts," "Third Party Varifications" and our
personal "eye witness observations!" And we do know how to use T&M
instruments (calibrated) properly.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 12, 2023, 12:05:41 AM
Right about what?
Also, we can decide for ourselves, what's true and what's not true.
We can read the "Power Bill Charts," "Third Party Varifications" and our
personal "eye witness observations!" And we do know how to use T&M
instruments (calibrated) properly.
About that instrument reading, what was the voltage?
bi
An example of an open code of electricity generation occurred early in the of the electromagnetic induction era, Faraday's discovery of the law of electromagnetic induction, based on his induction coil on a circular iron core. Faraday published in the Royal Journal information about his discovery. Faraday was provided with a description of an electromagnetic generator in a letter, planted under his door, by an unknown person who signed himself with the letters (P.M.). At the same time Faraday did not understand the conception, and to ask a question, published the text of the letter in the Royal Journal, asking for clarification. After a while, a letter signed in the same letters, with explanations and drawings, was sent to the journal. According to the drawings, the world's first alternator was made (Tesla is not the author of the alternator). Unfortunately at that time there was no possibility to use this generator.
There are many questions here, exactly to the genius author, and his mastery of information (from my point of view this person should have known everything exactly). At the same time, Faraday did not understand how in details the EMF is induced in the generator (the principle of which is used in power plants), and continued his research, having discovered unipolar (contact) electromagnetic induction. Holcomb's generator works on the same principle as the very first generator (P.M.). And the fact that the whole "enlightened" audience looks at all this, and claps their eyes, says that following Faraday, the incomprehensions have remained to this day. An example is that "advanced experts" have mixed the phase rotor action of a synchronous motor with the principle of a synchronous generator.
And the salt of this is that even the information provided did not give instant results, and 99% did not know about it in principle.
----------------------------------------------------------
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
Quote from: bistander on August 12, 2023, 12:54:13 AM
About that instrument reading, what was the voltage?
bi
+5 VDC ;)
Sorry, I can't feed your ____ anymore!
Quote from: SolarLab on August 12, 2023, 01:38:28 AM
+5 VDC ;)
Sorry, I can't feed your ____ anymore!
Fooled again.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 12, 2023, 01:53:28 AM
Fooled again.
bi
Don't feel Fooled - "+5VDC"; just kidding, but you knew that, I think!
Or, maybe not...
Your fixation on the instrument Voltage reading - just dawned on me; you still think
the device is a Big Transformer, like a huge welder or something, with an unbelievable
Power Factor Correction.
It's not a transformer - study how it works in detail, and it will become much clearer.
When Gene swapped the meter to read Input then Output he never changed the
Voltage Probes. So both reading comparisons used the same voltage source. While
the individual readings used different sources (Input & Output). All readings were
the same (+/- a fraction of a Watt).
Quote from: SolarLab on August 11, 2023, 10:06:05 PM
And, yes, one Forum that does a yearly get together, with demonstrations, is the Energetic Forum. They also do a good job of vetting the demo setups.
It is not a forum that does it but commercial entity using label Non-Profit that has an icon Eric Dollard.
I was rejected as a perspective speaker in Spokane as I do conflict with their agenda.
NO official physics stand point is allowed there.!!!!Wesley
Quote from: SolarLab on August 12, 2023, 01:56:49 AM
Don't feel Fooled - "+5VDC"; just kidding, but you knew that, I think!
Or, maybe not...
Your fixation on the instrument Voltage reading - just dawned on me; you still think
the device is a Big Transformer, like a huge welder or something, with an unbelievable
Power Factor Correction.
It's not a transformer - study how it works in detail, and it will become much clearer.
When Gene swapped the meter to read Input then Output he never changed the
Voltage Probes. So both reading comparisons used the same voltage source. While
the individual readings used different sources (Input & Output). All readings were
the same (+/- a fraction of a Watt).
Which indicates there has to be another branch which isn't accounted, therefore not true input and output comparison.
bi
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 12, 2023, 01:31:24 AM
An example of an open code of electricity generation occurred early in the of the electromagnetic induction era, Faraday's discovery of the law of electromagnetic induction, based on his induction coil on a circular iron core. Faraday published in the Royal Journal information about his discovery. Faraday was provided with a description of an electromagnetic generator in a letter, planted under his door, by an unknown person who signed himself with the letters (P.M.). At the same time Faraday did not understand the conception, and to ask a question, published the text of the letter in the Royal Journal, asking for clarification. After a while, a letter signed in the same letters, with explanations and drawings, was sent to the journal. According to the drawings, the world's first alternator was made (Tesla is not the author of the alternator). Unfortunately at that time there was no possibility to use this generator.
There are many questions here, exactly to the genius author, and his mastery of information (from my point of view this person should have known everything exactly). At the same time, Faraday did not understand how in details the EMF is induced in the generator (the principle of which is used in power plants), and continued his research, having discovered unipolar (contact) electromagnetic induction. Holcomb's generator works on the same principle as the very first generator (P.M.). And the fact that the whole "enlightened" audience looks at all this, and claps their eyes, says that following Faraday, the incomprehensions have remained to this day. An example is that "advanced experts" have mixed the phase rotor action of a synchronous motor with the principle of a synchronous generator.
And the salt of this is that even the information provided did not give instant results, and 99% did not know about it in principle.
----------------------------------------------------------
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html)
Faradays paper published close to the end of March 1832. It reads: 'The mutual relation of electricity, magnetism and motion may be represented by three lines at right angles to each other, any one of which may represent any one of these points and the other two lines the other points. Then if electricity be determined in one line and motion in another, magnetism will be developed in the third; or if electricity be determined in one line and magnetism in another, motion will occur in the third. Or if magnetism be determined first then motion will produce electricity or electricity motion. Or if motion be the first point determined, Magnetism will evolve electricity or electricity magnetism'.
The French instrument maker, Hippolyte Pixii (1808–1835), built a crude electric generator as early as 1832, based directly on Faraday's ideas of induction as defined in the March 1832 paper.
The device consisted of a hand operated spinning magnet above a coil with an iron core inside. A current pulse in the coil was produced each time one of the two poles of the magnet passed over it. However, what was being produced was an alternating (AC) current as the direction of the induced current changed with each half turn of the magnet.
As there was no real use for AC currents at this time (its advantages would only become apparent later) a means had to be found to convert this into a direct (DC) current. A suggestion by Ampère and others led to the introduction of the commutator—a rotary switch that reverses the connection to the external circuit when the current reverses, giving a pulsing DC current instead of an AC one.
Soon after Pixii's invention, others began to produce their own similar devices. Two London-based instrument makes to note were the American, Joseph Saxon, and the Englishman, Joseph Clarke. By the mid-1830s, such machines were producing a range of different effects of induced electric currents, from chemical decompositions to sparks, all by turning a handle that rotated a magnet.
The first important practical application of Faraday's discovery, however, was not the electric generator but the telegraph. Based on the ability to control a magnet at a distance, this invention allowed the possibility of long distance communication that would connect the world.
Where did you obtain the information regarding the unidentified individual with the initials P.M. ?
L192
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Quote from: listener192 on August 12, 2023, 09:29:20 AM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581198/#msg581198
This fact is described by some researchers. In particular, if you look at this "slide (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_QzBKmM79UHLw08sB72PSyymzjoO2e0QRbZgQAJszhP5Q0rWN1L_ALMe5GJJoz4H_get-7F2qxv9U0EJt5xWM71mHYc-6jsp7SV9vBbcRiTz2BuLBqz6zzODClBC3AJjYdfrUZRb3tFM4h-60MgIHlgmPB4WXybMnG7UCf28XVYGryRwGinpS4BIyWMA/s1071/2023-08-12_092036.jpg)" you can find the source. I asked my friends to find a screenshot of the journal page but alas these materials are not available. And there's a reason why. As you can see, not all the story you know from your narrative is true.
This is the slide I posted in my piece on Holcomb.
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https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
You are misinformed about the availability of the journal in question.
For those that are interested here is the publication https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53496#page/179/mode/1up (https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53496#page/179/mode/1up) page 161
This occured after the publication of Faradays Paper and not neccessarily before Hippolyte Pixii's device became knowledge.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hippolyte_Pixii_dynamo.png (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hippolyte_Pixii_dynamo.png) and many other sources state Pixii was the first.
The source of your information , a Scottish Professor Patrick John McLaughlin, in a 1948 publication Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, article "The Irish Inventor of the Dynamo", has taken a position that P.Ms device was published before anyone else.
At the moment I don't have the complete text of this article to verify his references, but I would not automatically assume they are correct.
I would think the reason why this particular generator has not been included in mainstream history, is more to do with the gentlemans proclivity to anonymity rather than deliberate exclusion, after all Faraday was happy to get P.M. published.
I don't see any distortion in history regarding Faraday, he was not known to have produced a practical working generator either AC or commutated AC.
Perhaps you are just trying to create your own narrative about Faraday in your blog spot!
There were many that worked on generator designs after Faraday published his paper.
L192
Who was (the) first ? Important !?
https://www.rug.nl/museum/collections/collection-stories/wagentje-van-stratingh?lang=en (https://www.rug.nl/museum/collections/collection-stories/wagentje-van-stratingh?lang=en)
So a Deutscher/Dutch invented and used it,long before Benz !? ( Netherlands = Deutsche Bund member )
In Nieder-Deutsch/-Dutch,hollaendisch-' platt'
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibrandus_Stratingh (https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibrandus_Stratingh)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_von_Jacobi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_von_Jacobi)
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Motor_Jacobi.jpg (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Motor_Jacobi.jpg)
But does it interests, HES related ?
When the system does function,the process anymore patentable,others their priority claim/s as public ownership,today without comercial validation =no fee-/royalty paying need or no licence need ,this is for the consumer unimportant !
Safety,price,maintenance,trust = warranted !
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Quote from: lancaIV on August 12, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Who was (the) first ? Important !?
https://www.rug.nl/museum/collections/collection-stories/wagentje-van-stratingh?lang=en (https://www.rug.nl/museum/collections/collection-stories/wagentje-van-stratingh?lang=en)
So a Deutscher/Dutch invented and used it,long before Benz !? ( Netherlands = Deutsche Bund member )
But does it interests, HES related ?
When the system does function,the process anymore patentable,others their priority claim/s as public ownership,today without comercial validation =no fee-/royalty paying need or no licence need ,this is for the consumer unimportant !
Safety,price,maintenance,trust = warranted !
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Yes, you are correct we are deviating from the point.
Quoting Rakarskiy "Holcomb's generator works on the same principle as the very first generator (P.M.)"
Perhaps a more poignant question is "Does Holcomb's generator function as an overunity device" The USPTO does not seem to think so.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 12, 2023, 10:46:09 AM
You are misinformed about the availability of the journal in question.
For those that are interested here is the publication https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53496#page/179/mode/1up (https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53496#page/179/mode/1up) page 161
This occured after the publication of Faradays Paper and not neccessarily before Hippolyte Pixii's device became knowledge.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hippolyte_Pixii_dynamo.png (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hippolyte_Pixii_dynamo.png) and many other sources state Pixii was the first.
The source of your information , a Scottish Professor Patrick John McLaughlin, in a 1948 publication Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, article "The Irish Inventor of the Dynamo", has taken a position that P.Ms device was published before anyone else.
At the moment I don't have the complete text of this article to verify his references, but I would not automatically assume they are correct.
I would think the reason why this particular generator has not been included in mainstream history, is more to do with the gentlemans proclivity to anonymity rather than deliberate exclusion, after all Faraday was happy to get P.M. published.
I don't see any distortion in history regarding Faraday, he was not known to have produced a practical working generator either AC or commutated AC.
Perhaps you are just trying to create your own narrative about Faraday in your blog spot!
There were many that worked on generator designs after Faraday published his paper.
L192
The fact that I see is a completed circuit of a multi-coil generator, which was given by unknown. The second fact is that there is already sufficient knowledge of electricity to propose such a device.
Practically the scheme of the simplest alternator, which is still relevant today.
https://youtu.be/p7e6Lu_YSCo
A generator/alternator/transformer/converter is calculated and built for a given average-continuous- value but included a short time peak value !
These are the two fixed values,before fuse or device destroying(isolation/cable,...) !
Physics to engineered device !
Holcombs concept does not wonder me !
In comparison to Harold Goldbaums electro-magnetic generator output claim !
A shoebox size (claimed) device with multiple MW output !
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en)
Net Power Output after Feedback of 13.32 Kva The net output at 400 Hz is 16.871 Kva (22.6 Hp); at 800 Hz, 33.7 Kva (45.2 Hp); at 3 KHz=128 Kva (171.5 Hp); at 6 KHz=256 Kva (343 Hp); at 60 Khz=2.560 Kva; at 600 KHz=25.60 Kva; at 780 KHz=33.254 Kva.
Generator Rating Per Hour and Observations The cyclic output per second is multiplied by 3600 to indicate the generator's hourly rating. Thus, at 400 Hz=60.7 Kva/h; at 800 Hz=121.4 Kva/h; at 3 KHz=460.8 Kva/h; at 6 KHz=921.6 Kva/h; at 60 KHz=9.26 Mw/h; at 600 KLHz=92.166 Kw/h; at 780 KHz=119.7 Mw/h.
Where is Goldbaums :o device melting point,A/m !? Uncooled !?
Other view point : internal/external pressure/force from e-machine,non-/motive with
1 KVA AC
a.50 Hz / b.500 Hz / c.5000 Hz output /... ( probably with variable duty cycle )
applied !
Induction heater ,as example ,charging !
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Ipolit Pixi (1808-1835) in the attachment is a drawing of his proposed generator, and the design of an unknown published in the magazine already ready for use. At the same time Pixi already has an element of transition to a generator with rectification. He may have been inspired by the unknown generator.
rakarskiy,
https://www.leifiphysik.de/elektrizitaetslehre/elektromagnetische-induktion/geschichte/pixii-generator (https://www.leifiphysik.de/elektrizitaetslehre/elektromagnetische-induktion/geschichte/pixii-generator)
The only what I have in mind :Will Holcomb in the year 2210 also represented like Pixii 2023 ? ::)
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Quote from: lancaIV on August 12, 2023, 12:56:06 PM
rakarskiy,
https://www.leifiphysik.de/elektrizitaetslehre/elektromagnetische-induktion/geschichte/pixii-generator (https://www.leifiphysik.de/elektrizitaetslehre/elektromagnetische-induktion/geschichte/pixii-generator)
The only what I have in mind :Will Holcomb in the year 2210 also represented like Pixii 2023 ? ::)
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The Pixie generator, the generator represented by the unknown, and the Holcomb generator all share the same principle of EMF guidance.
Quote from: listener192 on August 12, 2023, 10:46:09 AM
I would think the reason why this particular generator has not been included in mainstream history, is more to do with the gentlemans proclivity to anonymity rather than deliberate exclusion, after all Faraday was happy to get P.M. published.
I am afraid to assume that the initials on that letter were not P.M., but S.R. :)
:D
You may register for a free account and read the Professor P. J. Mac Laughlin article below.
It is clear that the Professor was relying on the records of Dr Otto Mahr in Berlin but without securing original copies.
It is not even clear in the text of the identity of P.M.
It fails to provide credible references to prove that P.M.s invention was published before Pixii's.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30099770?read-now=1&oauth_data=eyJlbWFpbCI6Imxpc3RlbmVyMTkyQGdtYWlsLmNvbSIsImluc3RpdHV0aW9uSWRzIjpbXSwicHJvdmlkZXIiOiJnb29nbGUifQ&seq=6#page_scan_tab_contents
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 12, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
You may register for a free account and read the Professor P. J. Mac Laughlin article below.
It is clear that the Professor was relying on the records of Dr Otto Mahr in Berlin but without securing original copies.
It is not even clear in the text of the identity of P.M.
It fails to provide credible references to prove that P.M.s invention was published before Pixii's.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30099770?read-now=1&oauth_data=eyJlbWFpbCI6Imxpc3RlbmVyMTkyQGdtYWlsLmNvbSIsImluc3RpdHV0aW9uSWRzIjpbXSwicHJvdmlkZXIiOiJnb29nbGUifQ&seq=6#page_scan_tab_contents
L192
I'm not even going to search, I have an approximate chronology.
1. Faraday's publication of his version of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction.
2. Faraday's publication of a letter from an unknown person (P.M.) with the proposal of a generator on the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction discovered by Faraday.
3. Publication by the journal of a letter from (Р.М.) with a detailed description of the generator (the page you linked to).
Pixie did his version probably by studying the first letter (P.M.).
The level with which the actual technical task (P.M.) for the generator on the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction is performed is amazing. I would also very much like to know who this person is.
rakarskiy,it depends if we mean by electric device an electromagnetic or an electrostatic generator !
1750 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hauksbee_Generator.JPG (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hauksbee_Generator.JPG)
In the ' slide': was the term ' dynamo' not fixed by Siemens for the electro-magnets feedback cycle ?
dynamo-electrical principle
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81nyos_Jedlik (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81nyos_Jedlik)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jedlik_motor.jpg (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jedlik_motor.jpg)
1827 ' world first electric motor'
wmbr and fine Sunday
OCWL
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 12, 2023, 03:17:37 PM
I'm not even going to search, I have an approximate chronology.
1. Faraday's publication of his version of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction.
2. Faraday's publication of a letter from an unknown person (P.M.) with the proposal of a generator on the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction discovered by Faraday.
3. Publication by the journal of a letter from (Р.М.) with a detailed description of the generator (the page you linked to).
Pixie did his version probably by studying the first letter (P.M.).
The level with which the actual technical task (P.M.) for the generator on the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction is performed is amazing. I would also very much like to know who this person is.
That is pure speculation.
Do you have specific evidence to support this?
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 12, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
That is pure speculation.
Do you have specific evidence to support this?
L192
Quote from the article that is attached (in Russian)
"The idea of coils and a rotating magnet belongs to an inventor who sent a letter to Faraday signed with the Latin initials P. M. The probable name of the inventor - Frederick Mc-Clintock - remained unknown for a long time. Faraday promptly published the letter in a scientific journal. However, this device generated alternating current, whereas at the beginning of the 19th century only direct current was used. Pixie, on the advice of Ampere, fitted it with a brush commutator. "
It is very possible that I am wrong, it is enough to find Faraday's publications in 1831 about the phenomenon of EMF and the publication of P.M.'s first letter, in the same year 1931 with the question about the details of his idea.
I'm always interested in the authors of ideas, not the makers. Figuer didn't build anything, he is the author of the idea, Figuer's generator was built by his mechanic, and so on.
Quote from: kolbacict on August 12, 2023, 01:16:06 PM
I am afraid to assume that the initials on that letter were not P.M., but S.R. :)
:D
S.R. I mean Sergey Rakarsky. :)
No offend.
p.s.
Somewhy everyone forgot about Boris Yakoby,who built electromotor in 1834.
On page 187 of the Irish quarterly review article, Professor Mac Laughlin also refers to the possibility of P.M. being a Dr Patrick Murphy.
Generally we can't assume this an authoritive document as there are too many unsubstantiated statements.
Pixii's device was a spinning magnet, operated by a hand crank, where the north and south poles passed over a coil with an iron core. Hence this first iteration was an AC generator, subsequently fitted with a commutator to produce DC hence making it useable for practical purposes at that time.
Your statement "The idea of coils and a rotating magnet belongs to an inventor who sent a letter to Faraday signed with the Latin initials P. M." is not substantiated, as many historical documents refer to Pixii having that privilage.
As for Faraday not understanding his invention, I refer you to the Royal Society page below
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2014.0208
Faradays lab notes from just before his 1832 paper was published, depict the correct mutual orthogonality of electricity, magnetism and motion.
So I don't believe you "may be wrong" in your assertations, in the case of Faraday understanding his invention, you are wrong.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 13, 2023, 03:17:02 AM
On page 187 of the Irish quarterly review article, Professor Mac Laughlin also refers to the possibility of P.M. being a Dr Patrick Murphy.
Generally we can't assume this an authoritive document as there are too many unsubstantiated statements.
Pixii's device was a spinning magnet, operated by a hand crank, where the north and south poles passed over a coil with an iron core. Hence this first iteration was an AC generator, subsequently fitted with a commutator to produce DC hence making it useable for practical purposes at that time.
Your statement "The idea of coils and a rotating magnet belongs to an inventor who sent a letter to Faraday signed with the Latin initials P. M." is not substantiated, as many historical documents refer to Pixii having that privilage.
L192
I refer to the publication (I do not remember the author), which I read, where the algorithm was traced in the way that I am presenting. The truth can be established only by finding the first publication by Faraday (1931), the letter of an unknown person with the idea of the generator, on which he asked the author for explanations. I am satisfied with everything, as this chronology is logical. And then already on the basis of the idea there were Pixie, Jacobi and others.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 13, 2023, 03:33:36 AM
I refer to the publication (I do not remember the author), which I read, where the algorithm was traced in the way that I am presenting. The truth can be established only by finding the first publication by Faraday (1931), the letter of an unknown person with the idea of the generator, on which he asked the author for explanations. I am satisfied with everything, as this chronology is logical. And then already on the basis of the idea there were Pixie, Jacobi and others.
The letter of the unknown person P.M. Faraday received, was after his paper in March 1832. P.M. even refers to reading Faraday's paper.
So you are now relying on yet another individual (author) who's name you don't know and who's publication you dont have!
Really!
L192
No, in the material I read, it was stated about two letters to Faraday from an unknown author, one was immediately after Faraday published his discovery of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction, which Faraday published with a note asking for explanations of his idea (1831). The second letter with a description of the installation and the experiment is already dated 1832. In Faraday's discovery of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction based on the study of his induction coil on a circular core and the simplest generator on a circular magnetic circuit is a very big difference. Faraday discovered the transformer and the unknown P.M. discovered the generator.
Controversy like this is still going on today:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html
Quote from: kolbacict on August 13, 2023, 03:08:43 AM
S.R. I mean Sergey Rakarsky. :)
No offend.
p.s.
Somewhy everyone forgot about Boris Yakoby,who built electromotor in 1834.
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192509/image// (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/dlattach/attach/192509/image//)
Boris Yakoby alias Moritz von Jacobi ? https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Motor_Jacobi.jpg (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Motor_Jacobi.jpg)
Image from :
https://books.google.pt/books/about/Der_Elektromagnetismus.html?id=DoQ5AAAAcAAJ&redir_esc=y (https://books.google.pt/books/about/Der_Elektromagnetismus.html?id=DoQ5AAAAcAAJ&redir_esc=y)
1861 :
https://books.google.pt/books?id=DoQ5AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA453&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
page 454 : Induktionsstrom / Voltaische Strom
Beetz ? https://books.google.ps/books?id=OqmXr2A8jbsC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_von_Jacobi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritz_von_Jacobi)
Moritz Hermann or
Boris Semyonovich (von) JacobiRotor left,stator right
to
Stator left,rotor middle,stator right
to 'generator',but ' now' : 1966
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19660419&CC=US&NR=3247407A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19660419&CC=US&NR=3247407A&KC=A#)
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Quote from: rakarskiy on August 13, 2023, 04:08:06 AM
No, in the material I read, it was stated about two letters to Faraday from an unknown author, one was immediately after Faraday published his discovery of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction, which Faraday published with a note asking for explanations of his idea (1831). The second letter with a description of the installation and the experiment is already dated 1832. In Faraday's discovery of the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction based on the study of his induction coil on a circular core and the simplest generator on a circular magnetic circuit is a very big difference. Faraday discovered the transformer and the unknown P.M. discovered the generator.
Controversy like this is still going on today:
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html)
Here are all of Faraday's to and from letters during 1831.... Nothing from PM either in the text or alpha index.
L192
https://www.scribd.com/document/644356825/Correspondence-of-Michael-Faraday-Volume-1-1811-1831-Frank-James-The-Correspondence-of-Michael-Faraday-The-Institution-of-Engineering-and-Techno
Quote from: listener192 on August 13, 2023, 05:34:09 AM
Here are all of Faraday's to and from letters during 1831.... Nothing from PM either in the text or alpha index.
L192
https://www.scribd.com/document/644356825/Correspondence-of-Michael-Faraday-Volume-1-1811-1831-Frank-James-The-Correspondence-of-Michael-Faraday-The-Institution-of-Engineering-and-Techno
Need Faraday's publications in the journal! The material pointed out about Faraday's publication in the journal of an unknown person's letter describing his idea. What we have familiarized ourselves with, is already the confirmation of the idea, based on the conducted experiment, on the made physically working generator. What was the author's basis for asserting this point in history?
Artificial Intelligence gave the exact date.: Letter to Faraday from P.M., dated October 10, 1831
?
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gian_Domenico_Romagnosi (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gian_Domenico_Romagnosi)
Nobody followed Romagnosis discovery line,for himself the discovery not important !
https://madeupinbritain.uk/Electric_Generator (https://madeupinbritain.uk/Electric_Generator)
Electromagnetic Rotation
Means : making electromotive force visible,applyable !
How works a 21.century linear motor or linear generator/alternator,compared ?
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p.s.:
smaller active MMF experiment :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1#)
bigger active MMF experiment :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20031204&CC=US&NR=2003222512A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20031204&CC=US&NR=2003222512A1&KC=A1#)
trahere,traho,traxi,tractum
attraction / contraction force ( pressure) and de-/formation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction)
[ conventional Dynamo-Blech ( electro-plate/-sheet) versus amorphous perm-alloy blade/sheet ]
If a magnetic field is applied to the material at an angle to an easy axis of magnetization, the material will tend to rearrange its structure so that an easy axis is aligned with the field to minimize the free energy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_free_energy) of the system.
free space : of the domain by its orbital 3 linear/rotatory/translatory freedom degrees
Metamaterials : f.e. integrate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materials_with_memory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materials_with_memory)
or active permanent radiative/radio-active = Kern-/Nucleus Kraft/Force material,like in supermagnets and permalloy ,with very long decay process time
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 13, 2023, 06:26:44 AM
Need Faraday's publications in the journal! The material pointed out about Faraday's publication in the journal of an unknown person's letter describing his idea. What we have familiarized ourselves with, is already the confirmation of the idea, based on the conducted experiment, on the made physically working generator. What was the author's basis for asserting this point in history?
Artificial Intelligence gave the exact date.: Letter to Faraday from P.M., dated October 10, 1831
Which Journal?
There is no letter from P.M. or any unknown on October 10 1831. The letters include 60% content that had never been published before, so its as comprehensive as you can get.
L192
If you are refering to Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, Vol. 121 (1831), pp. 299-340 (42 pages)
Below is the only title he published in the 1831 journal.
XVII. On a peculiar class of Acoustical Figures; and on certain Forms assumed by groups of particles upon vibrating elastic Surfaces. By M. FARADAY, F.R.S. M.R.I., Corr. Mlem. Royal Acad. Sciences of Paris, &Sc. Ssc. Read May 12, 1831.
Its open access so heres the link with the index
https://www.jstor.org/stable/i206986
Are you refering to another journal?
L192
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 13, 2023, 06:26:44 AM
Need Faraday's publications in the journal! The material pointed out about Faraday's publication in the journal of an unknown person's letter describing his idea. What we have familiarized ourselves with, is already the confirmation of the idea, based on the conducted experiment, on the made physically working generator. What was the author's basis for asserting this point in history?
Artificial Intelligence gave the exact date.: Letter to Faraday from P.M., dated October 10, 1831
Yeah, I couldn't find another letter. This is the only letter
Living and understanding life easy :
P.M. not a person,P.M. ,beside ' Phil.Mag.' = Philosophical Magazine ( and Journal) !?
For staying anonymous,the writer !
Btw: July 27th, 1832 - 1 day( = texte : yesterday) = July 26th, 1832 !
The letter related discovery chemoelectric or/and electrochemistry discoveries by their times related !
Kompass,bussola to Oersted experiment
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/MR6HPR/reconstruction-of-oersteds-experiment-of-1819-when-he-discovered-that-a-magnetised-needle-could-be-deflected-by-an-electric-current-dated-19th-century-MR6HPR.jpg (https://c8.alamy.com/comp/MR6HPR/reconstruction-of-oersteds-experiment-of-1819-when-he-discovered-that-a-magnetised-needle-could-be-deflected-by-an-electric-current-dated-19th-century-MR6HPR.jpg)
to compass needle to disc = rotor in a circular electromagnetic force field device
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry)While building electromagnets, Henry discovered the electromagnetic (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism) phenomenon of self-inductance (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductance). He also discovered mutual inductance independently of Michael Faraday (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Faraday), though Faraday was the first to make the discovery and publish his results.[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry#cite_note-6)
Silliman's Journal,1831
https://books.google.pt/books?id=w6cKAAAAIAAJ&q=%22joseph+henry%22+%22i+arranged+around+one+of+the+upper+rooms%22&pg=PA434&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22joseph%20henry%22%20%22i%20arranged%20around%20one%20of%20the%20upper%20rooms%22&f=false (https://books.google.pt/books?id=w6cKAAAAIAAJ&q=%22joseph+henry%22+%22i+arranged+around+one+of+the+upper+rooms%22&pg=PA434&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22joseph%20henry%22%20%22i%20arranged%20around%20one%20of%20the%20upper%20rooms%22&f=false)
journal page before,page 433 : ' ... the production of a machine to be movel ...'
page 427 related above Oersteds experiment !
But from 'proof of concept'- demonstration motor and/or generator machine ,powerfull and efficient,
next step
http://edisontechcenter.org/DavenportThomas.html (http://edisontechcenter.org/DavenportThomas.html)
errare humanum est
'USA:Joseph Henry (http://edisontechcenter.org/JosephHenry.html) . (1797-1878) created the oscillating beam motor 8) 1931 8) , the first electric motor in North America -...'
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Quote from: rakarskiy on August 13, 2023, 07:50:17 AM
Yeah, I couldn't find another letter. This is the only letter
Faraday's paper was published 9 April 1832.
PM's letter to Faraday was 26th July 1832, hence could not have influenced Faradays paper or prior notes.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 13, 2023, 11:12:09 AM
Faraday's paper was published 9 April 1832.
PM's letter to Faraday was 26th July 1832, hence could not have influenced Faradays paper or prior notes.
L192
In 1831, I found no letters. A search form of artificial intelligence gave the following answer:
According to an Internet search, the letter sought is part of the "Correspondence of Michael Faraday", a collection of approximately 4,900 letters published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology in six volumes1. The letter from P.M. (presumably the Prime Minister) to Faraday is dated October 10, 1831 and is numbered 524 in the first volume. It is a congratulatory letter on Faraday's discovery of electromagnetic induction, which he described in a series of lectures delivered at the Royal Society of London. This letter and other Faraday correspondence can be consulted in the Institute of Engineering and Technology Digital Library.
Congratulatory letter from the Prime Minister to Michael Faraday on the discovery of electromagnetic induction on October 10, 1831. I couldn't find anything, alas I don't have that kind of ability to work with search engines.
https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/collection/michael-faradays-correspondence
https://digital-library.theiet.org/content/books/ht/pbsp021e;jsessionid=hm1pajg8g1sg.x-iet-live-01
The making of the reel August, 1831
https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/collection/michael-faradays-ring-coil-apparatus
Lectures explaining the discovery of electromagnetic induction ??????
Congratulatory letter on the discovery of electromagnetic induction October 1831 ??????? that's a little too fast!?
There is no point in going further. I remain in my opinion that the idea of synchronous alternator with rotating magnetic rotor belongs to the author of the letter with initials P.M. (rotating magnet is not a full-fledged rotor).
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/02/over-unity-system.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
FE-related and other ' things' related conference with presentation,organized by Scheiders,Jupiter-Verlag,NET-Journal :
https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse/anmeldung.php?code=IT141023 (https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse/anmeldung.php?code=IT141023)
https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse/dbcompos/upload/Verschiebung_der_Tagung.pdf (https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse/dbcompos/upload/Verschiebung_der_Tagung.pdf)
14.10.2023 ,Zuerich/Fellbach
HES included !
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p.s.: quantum space/vacuum fluctuation
https://physics.mit.edu/news/study-demonstrates-control-over-quantum-fluctuations-unlocking-potential-for-ultra-precise-field-sensing/ (https://physics.mit.edu/news/study-demonstrates-control-over-quantum-fluctuations-unlocking-potential-for-ultra-precise-field-sensing/)
https://builtin.com/hardware/quantum-computing (https://builtin.com/hardware/quantum-computing)
Classical mechanics laws/rules a.or b.and Quantum mechanics laws/rules integrated algorithmics,
Dox (Doctrin,'Lehrgebaeude': Anfaenger ) to Para-/Dox Multiversum( 'Lehrgebaeude': Fortgeschrittene)
Yes !No !Yes,but ...!No,but ...!
None ! = { } ,Set theorem result,Schnitt-/Vereinigungs-Menge/Set : 'Leere Menge' ~ Empty Set
Subject/s,object/s,Time,Space un-/dependence
worriest/best case point of view : treating actor/subject treated object reaction memory ?
Applied: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic)
Quantum Physics = Neuronal Physics
Logics/Fallacy : 0-1 and augmented : -1- 0 - +1 ,good for one is bad for the other
Walras-logic theorem : Nullsummenspiel Theorie und zu beobachtende Praxis
Pawlows dog + Schroedingers cat + Heisenbergs uncertainty:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBLDTEJ3Ug (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBLDTEJ3Ug)
Is the object/victim dedicated,its destiny, to be object/victim ? Or by random variables !?
machine translated by google
Reason for postponement from 19.8. to 14.10.2023
The reason for this postponement is that on Sunday 7/30 we were informed by Ellen Holcomb
received notification that her husband Dr. Robert Holcomb suffered a bad fall the night before requiring surgery and hospitalization. The fall is the result of a spinal canal stenosis,
making every step painful. Until the very end he had always postponed an operation, even
to come to Switzerland in August, but now it is unavoidable. The convalescence lasts
several weeks.
For the time being - in consultation with the Holcombs - we will fly to the USA in August to
various HES devices and to test them extensively in the laboratory, probably together
with Prof. Timothy Vaughan from Modesto/CA and some experts and entrepreneurs
Germany and Switzerland.
For their part, the Holcombs plan to (re)invite SGS North America Inc. to have their 15 kW self-powered system, which they plan to bring to Switzerland, tested to international standards
measured and its function confirmed.
The program on October 14 is similar to the previous one, see www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse (http://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse).
There we will primarily report on our visit to the laboratory and the measurements. It's planned
the participation of a crew from Holcombs, which held a demo of the very heavy and bulky
self-powered 15 kW HES will show a linear ILPG device with a COP of 4:1. previous
Measurements are not required since the device can easily be tested in the auditorium.
A separate press conference is not planned. Press representatives with a press card can do this
or by specifying which press organ you are writing for, participate free of charge, including dinner, if you wish. Press representatives can simply register by email:
redaktion@jupiter-verlag.ch
Here are some links to Holcomb technology:
www.borderlands.de/Links/Infos_zur_Holcomb-Technologie.pdf (http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Infos_zur_Holcomb-Technologie.pdf)
Attention: We are holding the 68th SVR meeting on August 18th in Technopark Zurich, see below
www.svrswiss.org (http://www.svrswiss.org) under "Aktuelles", click on the program there. Some topics from Oct. 14 are also discussed there. Registration by email! Entry at the box office!
Quote from: Feb2006 on August 15, 2023, 02:25:02 PM
machine translated by google
Reason for postponement from 19.8. to 14.10.2023
The reason for this postponement is that on Sunday 7/30 we were informed by Ellen Holcomb
received notification that her husband Dr. Robert Holcomb suffered a bad fall the night before requiring surgery and hospitalization. The fall is the result of a spinal canal stenosis,
making every step painful. Until the very end he had always postponed an operation, even
to come to Switzerland in August, but now it is unavoidable. The convalescence lasts
several weeks.
For the time being - in consultation with the Holcombs - we will fly to the USA in August to
various HES devices and to test them extensively in the laboratory, probably together
with Prof. Timothy Vaughan from Modesto/CA and some experts and entrepreneurs
Germany and Switzerland.
For their part, the Holcombs plan to (re)invite SGS North America Inc. to have their 15 kW self-powered system, which they plan to bring to Switzerland, tested to international standards
measured and its function confirmed.
The program on October 14 is similar to the previous one, see www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse (http://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/kongresse).
There we will primarily report on our visit to the laboratory and the measurements. It's planned
the participation of a crew from Holcombs, which held a demo of the very heavy and bulky
self-powered 15 kW HES will show a linear ILPG device with a COP of 4:1. previous
Measurements are not required since the device can easily be tested in the auditorium.
A separate press conference is not planned. Press representatives with a press card can do this
or by specifying which press organ you are writing for, participate free of charge, including dinner, if you wish. Press representatives can simply register by email:
redaktion@jupiter-verlag.ch
Here are some links to Holcomb technology:
www.borderlands.de/Links/Infos_zur_Holcomb-Technologie.pdf (http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Infos_zur_Holcomb-Technologie.pdf)
Attention: We are holding the 68th SVR meeting on August 18th in Technopark Zurich, see below
www.svrswiss.org (http://www.svrswiss.org) under "Aktuelles", click on the program there. Some topics from Oct. 14 are also discussed there. Registration by email! Entry at the box office!
google machine translation correction :
' .... which held a demo
instead of the very heavy and bulky self-powered 15 kW HES
( the HES crew) will show a linear ILPG device with a COP of 4:1. .....'
. Geplant ist
die Teilnahme einer Crew von Holcombs, die statt einer Demo des sehr schweren und sperrigen
selbstlaufenden 15-kW-HES ein lineares ILPG-Gerät mit einem COP von 4:1 zeigen wird.
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Still no accredited university involved with conducting tests.
They dont need to fly to switzerland for that!
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 05:36:07 AM
Still no accredited university involved with conducting tests.
They dont need to fly to switzerland for that!
L192
They,HES,are invited by Schneiders and Co. !
University Laboratory and measurements warranty ?
Here,in this specific field,dangerous,also for reputation !
Multiple Labs experiment repeat and confirmation/recuse !
Trombly-Kahn,Zinsser,Hermann Thoene :
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovationspreis_Rheinland-Pfalz (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovationspreis_Rheinland-Pfalz)
| 2004 | Hermann Thöne | Impuls – Magnetmotor |
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Schneiders and Co AG?
Schneiders and Co GMBH?
Where is the link to this company?
L192
https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/start_n.htm (https://www.jupiter-verlag.ch/start_n.htm)
Capital Venture,I mean now closed !?
https://www.transaltec.ch/facma/view.php?view=firmaneu
influence:
http://borderlands.de/index1n.php3 (http://borderlands.de/index1n.php3)
https://www.kopp-verlag.de/c/net-journal (https://www.kopp-verlag.de/c/net-journal)
Whilst not doubting the academic qualifications of Herr Schneider, alternative energy sponsoring organisations are hardly the type of organisation that should be reviewing the HES, if you want to convince the USPTO and WPO of the efficacy of the device, let alone the electrical industry at large.
Ideally this needs to be a recognised mainstream technical university and of course, with no financial or other vested interested links to Holcomb Energy.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 11:34:51 AM
Whilst not doubting the academic qualifications of Herr Schneider, alternative energy sponsoring organisations are hardly the type of organisation that should be reviewing the HES, if you want to convince the USPTO and WPO of the efficacy of the device, let alone the electrical industry at large.
Ideally this needs to be a recognised mainstream technical university and of course, with no financial or other vested interested links to Holcomb Energy.
L192
Holcomb Energy Systems could organize a test demonstration at home in open door mode. The measurement system can be ordered from an uninterested company as well. The question is who will come to them from qualified specialists and organizations. Everyone is sitting on their own sources of funding.
So the planned demonstration and changes in the appropriate organizer is already something to promote the technology.
No,the Schneiders were never and are not professional technology examiner,certification giver also not !
Their function is : show-case,platform for interested people ,probably mainstream media near !
Their scene is 50:50 esoteric(alu-helmet), cronicle Nay-sayer,Waldorf-school-philosophists and others,beside serious investors !
No,they can give opinions,not more ! But they have trial/error experience and connections to many academical Profs,worldwide !
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This is a problem that you correctly identify.
Where the engineering leaders at Holcomb don't have professional electrical enginering qualifications to MSc , PhD level.
If they had that, they would have the relationship with university professors in electrical engineering departments, that could be persueded to assist them. Their own association appears to be with a Dr in a completely different disipline and not in a mainstream university....hardly useful.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 12:25:11 PM
This is a problem that you correctly identify.
Where the engineering leaders at Holcomb don't have professional electrical enginering qualifications to MSc , PhD level.
If they had that, they would have the relationship with university professors in electrical engineering departments, that could be persueded to assist them. Their own association appears to be with a Dr in a completely different disipline and not in a mainstream university....hardly useful.
L192
Do you think that the level of these experts can freely determine the difference in the physics of the two types of electromagnetic induction? Do they know exactly how a transformer and a generator work? I don't think so.
Holcomb knows the system perfectly well, and knows that no electrical engineer or professor from any department of electrical engineering will come to them. They all have funding sources, and these sources are not interested in Holcomb's system. If it were vice versa, they would still compete who will be the first to testify the discovery.
Electronics Professor Timothy Vaughan (TV)
machine translated by google from PDF
"is: Do you have the engine from Dr.Holcomb seen in action?
TV: Yes, I was also able to watch the measurements with a Fluke multimeter. With an input of 6 kW, 27 kW came out"
What is the approvement problem ?
I take an electric vehicle,battery charged !
I get ..... miles drive range !
I take the same electric car,install one from HES promised 3 different systems ,and use the claimed C.O.P. HES system = 2x or 3x or 4x or ...
drive range increase !
Efficiency measurement error in the +- Kilometers more/less risk !
Open,visible,real life experiment !
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Quote from: lancaIV on August 16, 2023, 01:11:03 PM
What is the approvement problem ?
I take an electric vehicle,battery charged !
I get ..... miles drive range !
I take the same electric car,install one from HES promised 3 different systems ,and use the claimed C.O.P. HES system = 2x or 3x or 4x or ...
drive range increase !
Efficiency measurement error in the +- Kilometers more/less risk !
Open,visible,real life experiment !
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I fully agree, any measurement of efficiency is only in quantitative measurement of energy input and output. Everything else is a technological measurement, e.g. overload capacity over time.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 16, 2023, 01:02:05 PM
Do you think that the level of these experts can freely determine the difference in the physics of the two types of electromagnetic induction? Do they know exactly how a transformer and a generator work? I don't think so.
Holcomb knows the system perfectly well, and knows that no electrical engineer or professor from any department of electrical engineering will come to them. They all have funding sources, and these sources are not interested in Holcomb's system. If it were vice versa, they would still compete who will be the first to testify the discovery.
You make this sound like a conspiracy!
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 01:49:49 PM
You make this sound like a conspiracy!
L192
What do you think? Non-recognition is one of the system's tools to shut down technologies. For this to be possible, they must have all the tools in their hands: scientific, mass media, etc.
Sorry I do not believe in conspiracy theory's.
The truth is always much more mundane.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
Sorry I do not believe in conspiracy theory's.
The truth is always much more mundane.
L192
Oh yes, the reality of the situation is sometimes so blatant. What do you know about the 1951 Connected States Act under which .... You believe it, though!
It is a mix from much barriers and multiple errors,yes !
the demonstration model : wrong measurement
the claim application : denied cause other their priorities
Safety laws : life/health risc !? Extra costs ! Assurance !?
partnership fail before market entry !
Project development too long,too costly : finalization without capital return !
the product compared other ware market price not attractive enough,no great difference !
the calculated market entry price too low/too high : company bancruptcy !
The technology known by some ? Not published : NDA ,by estate secret service !?
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You refer to the U.S. The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.
Holcomb is an Irish Registered company, so their IP would not be bound by this legistlation.
Consider the free energy provided by photo voltaic panels.
Do you think PV panels were considered a national security threat?
Certainly the U.S. Government did not appear to think they were!
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
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Conspiracy : the efficiency for PV was for some time limited to 20% max.,I think to have read about !
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p.s.: the risc to become an invention classified !?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=557502889&q=secret+patent+&oq=secret+patent+&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5
Quote from: listener192 on August 16, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
You refer to the U.S. The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.
Holcomb is an Irish Registered company, so their IP would not be bound by this legistlation.
Consider the free energy provided by photo voltaic panels.
Do you think PV panels were considered a national security threat?
Certainly the U.S. Government did not appear to think they were!
L192
This is true, secondly the Holcomb generator has already been announced and presented, you can't just close it. In this case, the obstacles in business development and dissemination of technology. Believe me, those who calculate combinations are quite aware of what they're doing. I myself was engaged in commercial economic security, risk assessment and identification of countermeasures is quite normal operation of the system.
F.Y.I.
Well beyond the "nitter natter - pitter patter" at this stage:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/08/16/2726420/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Issues-Q3-2023-Letter-to-Shareholders.html (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/08/16/2726420/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Issues-Q3-2023-Letter-to-Shareholders.html)
Astra Energy Inc. Issues Q3 2023 Letter to Shareholders
August 16, 2023 09:00 ET | Source: Astra Energy Inc.
clips from the 2023 Letter to Shareholders:
- Astra-Holcomb Energy Systems Inc. achieves development milestone with installation of both onsite and offsite demonstration of the Inline Power Generator (ILPG) technology.
- Astra-Holcomb Energy Systems closes initial purchase order of ILPG units for potential large-scale use in communications towers.
Sincerely,
Ron Loudoun
CEO and Chairman
Incredible news today....
On another note, you may want to ask Bob Walker how he feels...
I'd say he's smarting a bit.
Case dismissed with prejudice..
Hey Bob, you like Apples?
LL
If I recall correctly; a "case dismissed with prejudice" means the case is "dismissed forever!"
It's over, it's done, no more anything... But, then again, I'm not a legal scholar!
Curious to know the details, however.
The first question that has arisen here is about the operability of Holcomb's generator, it works, and it works on the principle of a mechanical synchronous generator. You doubt that a mechanical generator works? The mechanical rotor has been replaced by a solid state rotor with no mechanical rotation. Such an idea is not only Holcomb's, he is the one who first realized it in a working model, which is already working in a commercial facility as a power amplifier.
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https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/1902.html
In this material I show the difference between transformer mode and generator mode.
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https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html
All other issues are the integration of Holcomb's utility model and the technology being developed into commercial power grids. If you think that it is so easy, you are an idealist living in illusions. And also Holcomb project from the first second of its formation is a commercial project, therefore it should be treated as fulfilling all the rules and laws of the market. So there is no question of personal installation for a household. If necessary, you can make such an installation for yourself, but you will have to face the fulfillment of working conditions in the design of not only the generator itself, the control system, but also the algorithm of operation with the load. As well as synchronous mechanical generator Holcomb strongly depends on the mode of load change.
Hopefully not too far off when I can go to a "Big Box Store" and buy one for a few $K, have
it installed for another $K, and amortize it over a year or two (no solar nonsense - We own your
house for 10+ years plus, the fire hazards, hurricane exemptions, degradation over time, etc.).
Also, I have a bit of a warrantee, or I can buy parts and repair it (like an HVAC).
Might have to "loop it myself" since apparently, that, according to patent law, is not possible!
(power outages won't be missed)
I could always build one myself (at 10+ the cost) and I'm on-my-own for repairs, etc. but hey
according to my wife "I may not be handsome but at least I'm handy" (Red Green!).
Mass production, distribution and support does have its advantages!
Have a good day - things are looking better - - - for a change!
SL
SL,
Still pushing a system that claims to be over unity. What is it now, 50% saving on your electric bill or much higher?
No body has a single unit that saves any money on electric power, yet you claim the Holcomb works.
You're truly trying to sell something like snake oil salesman, without a single proof it works.
I hope every scammer out there answer to God, people have suffer enough from power companies and adding snake oil salesmen to the pot makes it much harder to keep the lights on!
Money truly is the root of evil, people will sale they own soul for it!
Scammers, leave this forum you're all destroying this website with false claims!
Tom
Suffering ?
The percentage of energy in private households consume or total income buget ?
5% ?
An ' intelligent household' ,with technical standard appliances,heat pump heating and building passive house 10 Wp/sqm energetic standart comes as 4-capita household near 2000 KWh electrical consume per year ,in winter deepest 0°C climate zones ! ( Without e-car consume)
2000 KWh x 0,2 €/KWh comercial electricity provider,on-grid,= 400 € per annum,33 €/month
1% from 3300 € liquid household income monthly, below a. 0,66% b. 0,5%
2% from 1650 € liquid household income monthly , below a.1,4%,b.1%
3% from 1100 € liquid household income monthly , below a.2%,b.1,5%
An autonomous private household micro-grid system,with a.0,15 €/KWh electric, b.0,1€/ KWh electric costs
We see,electricity does not suffer ' intelligent life style',actualized : 2023 Normation !
Holcomb,GGOE,Airpower,Gigadrone,.....: 10¢/KWh,5¢/KWh, 2,5 ¢/KWh electricity servent,all inclusive ?
Continuous or ' on demand'=unused capacity ?
The value from ' energy' is physiological and psychological overestimated !
1 KWh charge increases the battery weight by 40 ng (nano-gr.) !
1 ng = 0,000 000 001 Gramm (https://www.lichtmikroskop.net/einheiten/gramm.php) (g)
The change from on-grid to off-grid society will have nearly 1%( averaged) influence in monthly income !
Assumption : 10¢/KWh all costs inclusive system
WOW !
Worldevolutive !
An ' on demand'-in situ off-grid 5¢/KWh all costs inclusive autonomous system in average 2% influence !
Femto-Heureka !
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p.s.: world private household on-grid price :
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/)
5¢/KWh would be for many countries their households an huge price increase ! 100%,200%,300% !
Let us look for Astra Energy-Holcomb Zanzibar= Tanzania location :
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Tanzania/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Tanzania/electricity_prices/)
Beside :
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Uganda/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Uganda/electricity_prices/)
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Kenya/electricity_prices/ (https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Kenya/electricity_prices/)
BRIC-estates average ( by a.country,b.by capita ) : a. Brasil 16,5¢ Russia 5,1¢ India 7,8¢ China 7,5¢ ~ 9,22¢
India,TATA Nano : Middle Class ! 1800/2800 US$ car class
New Oroville 210 sqm house,2 families,Middle Class ! 21 000 US$ house class
https://itwire.com/science-news/energy/fuel-free-%e2%80%98power-generation%e2%80%99-business-seeks-partners-to-roll-out-across-the-world-a-fusion-energy-beater.html
The GGOE Gearbox will offers a range of units with different capacities: 10kw, 20kw and 50kw, and will sell for $5995, $9995 and $49.995 respectively.
AUS$ or US$ ?
Can HES beat the price ?
For 2000 KWh per annum off-grid households 2000/365 ~ 5,5 KWh per day (winter more,summer less)
5,5 KWh /24 h ~ 0,25 KW generator continuous and storage
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 17, 2023, 07:32:59 AM
Money truly is the root of evil, people will sale they own soul for it!
Scammers, leave this forum you're all destroying this website with false claims!
Tom
Well, my bible says that the devil rules this world. Prince of this world.I hope in your holy bible is the same. Why should we be surprised ?
Passion for money is not the worst thing that is happening here.
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 17, 2023, 07:32:59 AM
SL,
Still pushing a system that claims to be over unity. What is it now, 50% saving on your electric bill or much higher?
No body has a single unit that saves any money on electric power, yet you claim the Holcomb works.
You're truly trying to sell something like snake oil salesman, without a single proof it works.
I hope every scammer out there answer to God, people have suffer enough from power companies and adding snake oil salesmen to the pot makes it much harder to keep the lights on!
Money truly is the root of evil, people will sale they own soul for it!
Scammers, leave this forum you're all destroying this website with false claims!
Tom
Tommey,
OK, the "ball is in your court now;"
SO LET'S SEE YOUR Excess Energy DEVICE(S)!
We're all waiting... I'm sure your device can do a lot better than the ILPG, so the current "bar" is
included for comparison...
Looking forward to your "open source", "no cost to build", and "no cost to install" with a 5 year
warrantee and free delivery. Please include a link where we all can order one. Thanks in advance!
BTW, look back in the threads and on the HES website - loads of proof that it works, or visit the HES
Lab they will be glad to answer all your concerns... They also can demonstrate a Stand-Alone Unit.
Here's a link where Gene is making measurements on the "ILPG Unit (not looped):"
https://vimeo.com/user81692192 (https://vimeo.com/user81692192) [upper left video]
Your saying it doesn't work does NOT make that a true fact, based on all the evidence against your claims.
It's your "false claims" and Lies that are turning this forum into a garbage pit, not the "proven true" claims.
You can persist with your foolishness but it only makes you a fool!
So, try investigating your "false claims" and blatant lies before and other non-sense before polluting the forum.
Or, you can start reading here (only 20 or so pages) and then you can build your own working "LinGen"
device at minimal cost and effort.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
Everything you need to know is included in the thread, everything!
Also, looks like one fellow over at Aboveunity forum has already done one.
Of course, I know you won't answer, you guys never do - you just come up with more junk posts, so be it!
I've done my part - developed a device (LinGen) - and provided true and accurate information on other devices.
Now it's your turn...
I'm not selling anything - but you're trying to sell BS! Why such BS, who would ever know?
Regards,
SL
Hey Tommey,
I might have just firgured it all out, but let me ask first;
How well do you know "Bob Walker?"
SL
Quote from: Feb2006 on August 16, 2023, 01:03:18 PM
Electronics Professor Timothy Vaughan (TV)
machine translated by google from PDF
"is: Do you have the engine from Dr.Holcomb seen in action?
TV: Yes, I was also able to watch the measurements with a Fluke multimeter. With an input of 6 kW, 27 kW came out"
No.. at the very least you need a three phase professional power analyzer (Yokogawa or similar) on the input and another on the output and record the power analysis on both together.
L192
SL,
"How well do you know "Bob Walker?"???
I don't care if its Donald Duck, anyone can make claims and sell anything.
Until a real system can be tested by independent companies in the USA, I would be very caution of investing any money is these claims.
You would think by now, companies like Tesla would love to have these magic motors/generators in their cars and run for ever if the claims of 4:1 efficiency was true.
My own opinion is the facts that it doesn't work with people who got a unit as claimed, so I would stay far from this investment.
Sl, you are a Salesman. But what are you trying to sell?
No unit to show off!
Funny videos!
Funny data!
Funny math!
You have nothing SL, integrity must not be your cup of tea!
At least a car salesman, can show off a car to sell!
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 18, 2023, 06:47:41 AM
You would think by now, companies like Tesla would love to have these magic motors/generators in their cars and run for ever if the claims of 4:1 efficiency was true.
When Musk got involved in the electric car project (he wasn't the author), he was trying to get Joe Flynn's engine-generator for the electric car. He was quickly told by the system what he could and couldn't do. That's the kind of insider info back in the day.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/05/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
For example, I had information about Konilov's project (similar system to Joe Flynn), unfortunately both of them are no longer there, for very strange reasons. But such systems, both in the USA and in the USSR, were produced and used (all of them still are) in the defense industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_switching_alternator
QuoteA flux switching alternator is a form of high-speed alternator, an AC electrical generator, intended for direct drive by a turbine. They are simple in design with the rotor containing no coils or magnets, making them rugged and capable of high rotation speeds. This makes them suitable for their only widespread use, in guided missiles
it was written for losers.
It's hard to convince a naive person.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 17, 2023, 04:18:12 PM
Tommey,
SO LET'S SEE YOUR Excess Energy DEVICE(S)!
We're all waiting... I'm sure your device can do a lot better than the ILPG, s
Tommey looks to me honest, natural, traditional in value , familiar with some classical physics guy.
who thinks that he is fair to you and the audience.
No access of energy devices by Tommy nor his such claims are known to me.
So he doesn't need to have one nor present it to you
________________________________________________________Quote from: SolarLab on August 17, 2023, 04:18:12 PM
"open source", "no cost to build", and "no cost to install" with a 5 year
warrantee and free delivery. Please include a link where we all can order one.
"open source" doesn't do manufacturing .
"open source" is a platform not entity.
and that is why it will not deliver stated by you device.
________________________________________________________Quote from: SolarLab on August 17, 2023, 04:18:12 PM
Here's a link where Gene is making measurements on the "ILPG Unit (not looped):"
https://vimeo.com/user81692192 (https://vimeo.com/user81692192) [upper left video]
Your saying it doesn't work does NOT make that a true fact, based on all the evidence against your claims.
I see a guy having access to Holcomb facility and his equipment.
This guy is familiar with the device its concept its futures
and we are not. I see some talking to the camera guy holding some instrument connected to wires of "invisible"
- non presented in video device.
I'm not saying that he is a liar or not.
So the guy is likely trusted and/or payed by Holcomb to talk, act, and make videos.
However that video is 11 months old and in that folder, since than there was not a single video made.
Wesley
In General:
Tommey - So, based on your answer, I'll assume, you do know Bob Walker and, likely, may have been
working with him. That would explain your bitterness. Sorry it didn't work out.
Stivep - A while back UFOPolitics worked on a similar (HES like) device and showed several videos and
posted other information where, if I recall, he had achieved a >2 COP. There isn't any recent information
that I can find. He may have achieved success and, thus, stopped posting on OU (not that uncommon).
Also; it appears that on another forum (Aboveunity.com) a member recently posted a device that might
be similar to the "LinGen" where he claims a COP = 2.56. He claims to have had a Metrology Lab test
it as well. See Below:
Aetherholic COP_2.56 Device Description (Brief - as presented)
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c (https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c)
Approximate measurements and specifications (according to the Designer)
[see attachment]
This device was posted about 6 days ago (03 Aug 23) by a poster known as
Aetherholic claiming a COP of 2.56.
Some details were given as follows:
- 16 bit 2 channel Arbitrary Function Generator set to Square Wave 11.4 Khz 15% duty 10V
- Metglass core and took 3 days to build
- 2 x 100W 230V bulbs in parallel to act as a load
- Input power 23.55V x 0.04A = 0.942W
- Output power 11.6Vrms x 104/500 Arms = 2.4128W
- COP = 2.1428/0.942 = 2.5614
Aetherholic advises that the device was tested at a National Institute of Metrology in an
attempt to validate the measurements an obtain a report and certificate.
Unfortunately, to date, for a variety of reasons, a report and certificate were not acquired.
At this point I have no reason to doubt Aetherholic's claims. Here's why:
Aetherholics device appears to physically mimic the original (WAG) LinGen dimensions
COP-2.56 [L ~ 4.54", W ~ 2.55", H ~ 0.9"]; LinGen [L ~ 5", W ~ 3", H ~ 0.5"]. The COP-2.56
extra height would easily enclose the uprocessor, drivers and FETs.
The COP-2.56 Device performance characteristics also closely match the original LinGen.
Unfortunately, to date I have not found anything similar on this Forum.
Have a good one,
SL
LinGen Dimensions
Just noticed the "LinGen Simplified Schematic" diagram does not contain the dimensions.
These dimensions, along with some other information, are found in the "Caution Notes"
attached below:
SL
NOTE:
Development of the LinGen begins by performing a Numeric Analysis of the
methods and techniques involved. These are found in Dr. Holcombs patent
WO 2018/134233 A2 found here:
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2018134233A2/en?oq=wo2018134233
The Analysis begins here, although there are a lot of other posts to sort through;
the main informational ones are found under "solarlab." These include a lot of
support technical information as well as some Computer Aided Engineering
animations:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509
Hope these help a bit!
Quote from: Feb2006 on August 16, 2023, 01:03:18 PM
Electronics Professor Timothy Vaughan (TV)
machine translated by google from PDF
"is: Do you have the engine from Dr.Holcomb seen in action?
TV: Yes, I was also able to watch the measurements with a Fluke multimeter. With an input of 6 kW, 27 kW came out"
in my conversations with tim he confirmed he is not aware of independent tests by a third party. Dnv was observation only.
Attached the "DNV-GL Verification Statement" including the Verification extent and result, conducted on 2019, August 13 and 14. Scope of Services details the tests. Results are
included as well.
If these measurements were fake I'm betting the DMV guy (Chad Rektorik) would have
made a note of it! :)
I guess it depends on how you define "an independant test" and "Witness Performance Test Report - Number: HES-000-2."
Independant tests might consist of FPL meter readings from the various insitu buildings?
Anyway, I don't think they would have made it this far if it was all BS - including purchase orders, etc...
But hey, most of you guys are much smarter than the professionals involved! 8)
Conspiracy Theory
Article:
https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=14945 (https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=14945)
Just so you know how it works 8)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 18, 2023, 08:16:35 PM
I don't think they would have made it this far if it was all BS ..But hey, most of you guys are
much smarter than the professionals involved! 8)
SL is enthusiastic, Holcomb commercial values defender, manifesting to us computer
simulations - where outcome is based on set by him data.
Sickness or health can be simulated too.
To simulate being sick, you can deliver face look sick and pale and to simulate health
the sick person tries to behave like a drunk driver posing sober.
All of that data is used to manipulate the desired end result - used than to convince your audience
_________________________________________________
To save (the audience) time and money :There is
no way to get more energy at output than delivered to input knowing that
no other form energy is coupled to the process.
Uniqueness is in everyone including SL.
I might be too dumb for microbiology and some of you for physics of EM.
But some guys
well paid opinion supporting someone else, commercial success
may be different than ours.
_________________________________________________Questions you the audience will highly unlikely provide your honest answer for:
What works and what not: Why do you care?
is it your curiosity? opportunity? hunger for knowledge - a need to know?
is it potential of illegal benefit from someone's patented art?
Why are you here in this open forum? To do what?
-to save the planet by stealing someone's patented technology, made to save the planet too?
only the authorized
- He/she is entitled to make money on it , don't they?
_________________________________________________True or fake? Fake or Real? Some commercial entity needs promoters,
but aggressive defense on an
open forum,
of "thee" product that is not yet sold in store ,
not having issued patent,
not independently tested by reputable testing lab
is rather calling for our caution, and conservative view.
Wesley
JUST BUILD ONE - LESS THAN $50 AND A DAY, AT MOST!
That simple... Deep six the Bla Bla Bla and just do it!
Hey westly,
If you get stumped in your replication don't hesitate to let me know
maybe I can help you out - been doing this for a while now.
Lots of resources available. Just always willing to help!
Worth the effort in trying out this HES technique... As you know.
SL
Don't shoot the messenger especially after the hours I put in.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 19, 2023, 01:05:55 AM
Don't shoot the messenger especially after the hours I put in.
Jimboot,
Sorry, but I've put a lot of hours into this as well. And I'm so full of bullet holes I can't
even count them anymore.
But who gives a shit? This Forum is as Fucked Up as it gets. Nobody does shit but try
to discourage and crap on those trying to develop and promote excess energy!
Should re-name it "
Dumb Ass Group Against Over Unity" IMHO...
Have you noticed how all the developers/inventors have left the Forum? There are
a lot - just check to the back posts and threads - only the lamers are left!
The Clowns and Shills think they are winning but boy are they fools!
SL
"Should re-name it "Dumb Ass Group Against Over Unity" IMHO...
Have you noticed how all the developers/inventors have left the Forum? There are
a lot - just check to the back posts and threads - only the lamers are left!"
I really enjoyed it!
Well said!
SL - Well done! 8)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 19, 2023, 12:08:05 AM
If you get stumped in your replication // I can help you out - been doing this for a while now.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 19, 2023, 02:16:07 AM
But who gives a shit? This Forum is as Fucked Up as it gets. Nobody does shit but try
to discourage and crap on those trying to develop and promote excess energy!
Should re-name it "Dumb Ass Group Against Over Unity" IMHO...
The Clowns and Shills think they are winning but boy are they fools!
SL you do not have and can't present to us Holcomb device
while insulting a value of the moderator and the audience here.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 19, 2023, 12:08:05 AM
I can help you out - been doing this for a while now.
There is no-one here you ever provided help to.
Yesterday you were asking for $50 /day, and today you deleted it.
You've been doing commercial promotion for a while now.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 19, 2023, 12:08:05 AM
"Dumb Ass Group Against Over Unity"
Suffering lack of recognition/attention a rural area guy
humiliating the audience with characteristic to him low level language
promotes science rejected "over unity.."
Wesley
Un-/known Science : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_experiment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_experiment)
Hypothetical World/-s : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambidextrous_Universe#The_Ozma_Problem
No possibility( skill,NDA) or no willing to discover !
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: stivep on August 19, 2023, 06:27:00 AM
SL you do not have and can't present to us Holcomb device
while insulting a value of the moderator and the audience here.
There is no-one here you ever provided help to.
Yesterday you were asking for $50 /day, and today you deleted it.
You've been doing commercial promotion for a while now.
Suffering lack of recognition/attention a rural area guy
humiliating the audience with characteristic to him low level language
promotes science rejected "over unity.."
Wesley
Why Lie and make shit up - the post is still there (linked and quoted below):
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581393/#msg581393
Quote from: SolarLab on August 18, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
JUST BUILD ONE - LESS THAN $50 AND A DAY, AT MOST!
That simple... Deep six the Bla Bla Bla and just do it!
Does this post look like I'm asking for $50? NO, IT DOESN"T...
Your post is just another example of the many "twisted posts" that has turned this Forum
into a Garbage Pit infested with Shills and Lamers!
JUST BUILD ONE INSTEAD OF SQUIRMING LIKE A RAT... and PROVE OU FOR YOURSELF!
SL we have problem with communication.
I'm not attacking you.
I do show my full respect to you.
Expressing an opinion different than yours is not the same as insulting someone.
________________________________________
Quote from: SolarLab on August 19, 2023, 12:08:05 AM
Hey westly,
//in your replication don't hesitate to let me know
maybe I can help you out - been doing this for a while now.
//Just always willing to help!
Worth the effort in trying out this HES technique... As you know.
SL
You are advertising yourself as
full of .... of knowledge professional in that particular area,
Instead of offering your help, - just present to us your own Holcomb device you have build.
- or you didn't, ?
and you can't,?
right?
And you will
highly likely not respond exactly to my questions?
right?
Wesley
Hi All,
I believe we need to vote on kicking SL off this forum!
He has created a mess with claims and investment deals that is not part of these forums.
Integrity is not in SL, he is destroying these forums with nothing but problems and claims that is unproven.
I work very hard to help this forum out, it may not be much to others, but I am not someone who would make claims that I have FE without a real prototype.
This forum is special to me, It's a chance to explore new Ideas and build stuff. I even offer to help build some of these theories in the past.
But it seems this forum has been hijack by people who claim they have the understand of how this Holcomb system works and other projects without a single prototype to show off.
Anytime if I make a mistake, I would correct my opinion and tell the truth. Integrity and knowing we will all answer to God in the end; is my way of life.
Sometimes I wonder if we are not allow to create free energy, due to the facts of how the world is controlled by evil in very high places.
But efficiency is possible, saving money on energy is the main purpose of these forums.
Holcomb has a very poor history of being honest, anyone can make a claim, but this free energy device is not being verified or tested by any real independent US company.
I still believe this Holcomb device won't do as the inventor claims, but for those on this forum who are pushing others to believe and asking for investment is not what this forum is about.
If we continue with these type of people disrupting the forum with BS, many good people will hesitate posting in the future.
Tom
To be honest I really don't understand why we have this thread running on tens of pages. What is the real interest for this ?
As far as I can see we are discussing a device on the last phase before launching on the market which is under patent protection. Did anyone from Holocomb asked for help from this forum or someone is just sticking their nose for an obscure reason ? What is the benefit of this forum for such a discussion ? Do Holocomb needs a backup from us just in case someone threaten them ? It won't work without full disclosure and as I can see there is no threat as their device still using grid power ( is just increased efficiency).
So, imho is just another smoke and mirrors tactic meant to counter real FE and OU. And mostly looks like an harassment from both sides against each other ... absolutely unnecessary !
For increased efficiency just look for ufopolitics to see how it can be achieved and some new methods for FE ... yet not under patent
I've been holding back to express my opinion for long enough on this thread which lead to nowhere beneficial for Holocomb or this forum.
What I really want to add is, no business big or small will be safe once any 1 device will be in the open, built and operating if this is of concern.
But, this will lead to huge benefit of mankind ending the world order as it is now we're ready available power everywhere could end up hungry, develop travel/transport without pollution in a fast manner for almost any volume needed to be moved and should be happening to end up wasting resources and lives on this planet. No need for wars in this way when you can have almost anything anywhere and all the budgets for crazy destruction of life in any form can be used for something beneficial for all human kind.
Yes our hosts open source mission statement
It's Why the men who build and share are here !
Investors or persons looking to line their own pockets under the guise of "helping "
That is something we will always have to deal with in open source FE
You will know sincere open source FE persons by how they freely share ( withholding nothing)and teach!
Not by how they taunt and preach ( against open source)
Plenty try to use open source FE sites (and you tube) to harvest for personal benefit ( bait with
Bits and pieces inferring hidden knowledge..
Gets old real quick for those who are sincere
And there are plenty who are sincere...regardless the nonsense written here .
Open source FE is NOT a forum.. it has no such boundaries
It is a mindset , a survival mode flowing throughout humanity, inherently knowing
We are destined to finding and sharing such knowledge!
Our future depends on it !
We are after all here for the mission statement we support !
Others should truly go elsewhere ..
Respectfully
Chet K
Relief for you all:
Since blatent lies and shilling are acceptable here, I will withdraw from this "Forum"
You all have been given enough information and analysis to achieve an "excess energy"
device, so there is nothing more I can do for you - you will now have to do it for yourselves!
SL
SL,
You have offered nothing but unproven claims and investments, don't let the keyboard pop in your eyes.
Tom
Quote from: SolarLab on August 18, 2023, 03:50:43 PM
In General:
Tommey - So, based on your answer, I'll assume, you do know Bob Walker and, likely, may have been
working with him. That would explain your bitterness. Sorry it didn't work out.
Stivep - A while back UFOPolitics worked on a similar (HES like) device and showed several videos and
posted other information where, if I recall, he had achieved a >2 COP. There isn't any recent information
that I can find. He may have achieved success and, thus, stopped posting on OU (not that uncommon).
Also; it appears that on another forum (Aboveunity.com) a member recently posted a device that might
be similar to the "LinGen" where he claims a COP = 2.56. He claims to have had a Metrology Lab test
it as well. See Below:
Aetherholic COP_2.56 Device Description COP_2.56 Device Description (Brief - as presented)
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c (https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c)
Approximate measurements and specifications (according to the Designer)
[see attachment]
This device was posted about 6 days ago (03 Aug 23) by a poster known as
Aetherholic claiming a COP of 2.56.
Some details were given as follows:
- 16 bit 2 channel Arbitrary Function Generator set to Square Wave 11.4 Khz 15% duty 10V
- Metglass core and took 3 days to build
- 2 x 100W 230V bulbs in parallel to act as a load
- Input power 23.55V x 0.04A = 0.942W
- Output power 11.6Vrms x 104/500 Arms = 2.4128W
- COP = 2.1428/0.942 = 2.5614
Aetherholic advises that the device was tested at a National Institute of Metrology in an
attempt to validate the measurements an obtain a report and certificate.
Unfortunately, to date, for a variety of reasons, a report and certificate were not acquired.
At this point I have no reason to doubt Aetherholic's claims. Here's why:
Aetherholics device appears to physically mimic the original (WAG) LinGen dimensions
COP-2.56 [L ~ 4.54", W ~ 2.55", H ~ 0.9"]; LinGen [L ~ 5", W ~ 3", H ~ 0.5"]. The COP-2.56
extra height would easily enclose the uprocessor, drivers and FETs.
The COP-2.56 Device performance characteristics also closely match the original LinGen.
Unfortunately, to date I have not found anything similar on this Forum.
Have a good one,
SL
@ SL
Is the above
Aetherholic COP_2.56 Device Description in a thread on a forum that describes the materials and circuit to achieve this?
Is it based on Holcomb or something else?
Thanks you all.
Goat,
First of all I don't know a Bob walker or even care who he is.
Just because I didn't answer someone question , doesn't mean I know that person.
I have a few friend who Visit Holcomb in Florida, this Bob Walker I don't know.
I look at the facts and was ask to looking into Holcomb claims. After just a little research BS meter started to go off.
Nice try Goat, but I have more integrity then your buddy SL.
It's just a matter of time people will want their money back, did you invest or are you like SL collecting investment on a unproven claim?
I answer your question, now answer mine, are you a investor or selling false claims?
It seem like many people on this forum has been pushing Holcomb device like they know him. Are you a salesman or a investor GOAT?
Tom
You're being vain here. There are two aspects to this question:
One! Is the technology working? My answer is absolutely in principle - working (in the question whether it is possible to run a generator without physical rotation of the magnetic rotor in a static stator) This technology, in addition to the claimed possibilities of working without physical rotation, has many technical and managerial problems. First, this technology, when scaled up, will have more problems of compliance with the conditions for electrical mechanisms (watts/kg). Today it is very expensive, and it will be even more expensive to install 100 kW, even with changing load characteristics. What I see is that the power key industry is already needed for such installations, and it is not becoming cheap in terms of hardware components. It is for this reason that much more fundamental research is needed. It is already a question of integration and commercial attractiveness. In order to invest in a pioneering project, all risks have to be taken into account, from the intellectual and production capability of the authors to the system of counteraction from other participants in the power generation and generators.
The second issue is the correct operation of the final converter! In order for the condition СОР>1 to be met, the consumer must be provided with a constant load greater than the mains consumption of the unit. If you think that the device itself will guess when to switch, you are mistaken (now substitute a system of constant starts of the system and its stops with a mechanism of switching directly to the network during the day of operation, if you can not do it you will be ...), and with the input load characteristic for example input consumption of 10 kW, will not change if you connect at different time intervals 5 kW, 10 kW and 20 kW to 12 kW in fact you will be at a loss just paying for the operation of the system without getting the performance of useful work. The issue of claims arises. If you have a volume of energy consumption of useful loads is less than the volume required at the input of the system Holcomb, and you purchased this device who cheated you, Only themselves and their own energy illiteracy.
PS
Investing in pioneer projects should only be done with a long term perspective, thus the second side of the project appears - investment/commercial. I am no longer interested in it. In this area, manipulation is possible due to ignorance on both sides. Once again, I assert that I am not interested in them, but only in technical solutions (successful and erroneous). Only an ignoramus can claim that Holcomb's solutions are always successful, any creativity is a path of victories and mistakes. Personally, I wish Holcomb and his team to overcome all difficulties and not to lose the technology.
I have completed an interesting piece of research, the invention of the electromagnetic generator! (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/02/over-unity-system.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp) This material is not intended for the reader with popcorn! Just the principle on which Holcomb's generator works can be understood.
Faraday was the very first researcher of electricity who followed open code in research Quote from the letter: "I believe the author can have no objection to the publication of his letter; for my part, I would prefer to avoid exclusive possession of anonymous philosophical information, lest future errors in dates occur."
rakarskiy,
You are sounding like SL, theories without proof.
Holcomb claim a COP of >2, you're say a COP > 1 is possible.
I'm tired of these claims without a prototype to prove it, I'm not the only one here that see the BS meter going through the roof.
Where is you're prototype?
Even better, I'll help build it. Why are all of the clowns one these forums who thinks they are smarter then a fifth grader, can't even build a simple prototype?
Holcomb use Chinese motors and if you know anything about those motors it's not that hard to rewire to fit your needs.
You can even test these theories with even a stepper motor, that is how the Holcomb motor/generator is based on.
Just look at all the solid state switching that he used, it's clearly pulsing each field. I built motor and rewired motors, it's not that hard to copy a Holcomb generator.
All the BS with different metals is not the case, when he used Chinese cores.
Unless Holcomb stamp out his own stators, that is highly questionable; it should be no problem making a copy.
In fact you can modified those Chinese motors and clip and tap into each field without rewiring them.
Just show, you don't have to be a PHD to understand how something works!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrzFDoHXjE
Tom
Quote from: ramset on August 20, 2023, 10:57:12 AM
Investors // line their own pockets ////to harvest for personal benefit
Plenty try to use open source FE
// open source FE//freely share ( withholding nothing)
// there are plenty who are sincere...
Open source FE is // a mindset , a survival
We are destined /
Our future depends on it !
// all here // we support ! regardless the nonsense written here .
Others should truly go elsewhere ..
Respectfully
Chet K
___________________________________I see here : postulates of
Marks and Engels about
the " dedication, equality and good future,"
where wealth, food, technology, skills and dedication,
is given for free by these who have it to these who do not..
- Lenin, Stalin, Putin where the practical result of it.
___________________________________Idea is beautiful,
goal is fair,
motivation is well supported
physicist helping the illiterate
literate in art gives a physicist some painting as thank you for FE.
and of course not everyone has a house, computer, and electric car too.
but they should be given that too
shouldn't they?
Wesley's wife.
The psychologist.
psychologist,
Someone who explain others people mental state, perception, cognitive, emotions and behavior, yet never looks in the mirror!
What do a psychologist offer in these forums when they can't even change a light bulb?
Tom
Quote from: stivep on August 21, 2023, 07:46:55 AM
___________________________________
I see here : postulates of Marks and Engels about
the "good, dedication, equality and good future,"
where wealth, food, technology, skills and dedication,
is given for free by these who have it to these who do not..
- Lenin, Stalin, Putin where the practical result of it.
___________________________________
Idea is beautiful,
goal is fair,
motivation is well supported
physicist helping the illiterate
literate in art gives a physicist some painting as thank you for FE.
and of course not everyone has a house, computer, and electric car too.
but they should be given that too
shouldn't they?
Wesley's wife.
The psychologist.
I'm not sure that you read and understood the header on the first page of this forum. Because if you did I am questioning your post in this forum , or why do you need to stick around ?
Also when you try to draw a parallel with Lenin-Putin you simply forget to say that their social system have the most benefit from energy markets are their interests are in a real danger by letting FE in the open for everyone.
And the last, I am losing my patience seeing how you twist the truth all the time when you run out of any reasonable argument and you keep inserting this kind of malefic things on most of the threads where I don't want to disturb and I need to apologise for the rant.
If you really believe that free energy should be shelved, why are you here ? Who you help really ?
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 21, 2023, 07:09:18 AM
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581453/#msg581453
With all due respect ..., I owe no one anything. Holcomb's converter is workable for the СOP>1 result, but there are technical peculiarities of replacing the mechanical electromagnetic rotor with a solid-state rotor, according to Holcomb's version. Holcomb declared that he, can in the traditional synchronous three-phase generator replace the traditional electromagnetic mechanical rotor with his solid-state rotor and start the generator in work. Yes it is possible, but with one reservation that the primary magnetic flux of the solid state rotor will be less than that of the traditional rotor. To understand this it is enough just to study the course of higher school in the direction of design of electromechanical devices. In the direction of calculation of magnetic circuits of electromechanical devices. This says a lot about the quality of performance. I have no sense to prove anything to anyone, all that I wanted I indicated in my posts.
No offense, but you remind me of a character who came to the store to buy a gasoline generator. And he needed a constant load of 3 kW. Looking at the samples on display, he saw a discrepancy Nominal power -2.3 kW and maximum 3 kW, for a lower price than a generator with a nominal power of 3 kW (maximum power of 3.92 kW). He approached and asked the sales assistant if the generator with a rated output of 2.3 kW would work with a connected load of 3 kW. The consultant answered in the affirmative, noting that such a mode is considered to be marginal and not desirable, plus in this mode will increase fuel consumption. The customer was satisfied with the answer, purchased the generator and needed to connect a 3 kW engine. The mode of operation of the load (engine 3 kW, was periodic with starts and stops), that is, at the time of starting the motor will require starting power. A week later the buyer came to the store with claims that the generator was out of order and constantly overstressed when connecting the load. After reviewing the circumstances of the case, the store owner denied the buyer's claim. Since the inrush currents were constantly affecting the generator winding, the fuses were blown, which the buyer replaced with more powerful ones, and as a result the winding overheated and failed. Thus, the rules of operation were violated, the fault of the buyer who wanted to save money on the price of the generator and still did not have sufficient knowledge for operation. So I do not feel sorry for this buyer, on the contrary, it is well worth it to him. A stingy fool has to pay twice, once for his training, through the loss of his money. To do something you need to learn, and the one who does not want it as just like I described above.
Before you invest in anything, you should at least be knowledgeable about it.
For me unknown : STH Technologies
https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=nasha-kompaniya (https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=nasha-kompaniya)
In 2011, the technology was presented at a scientific conference in Hanover (https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=conf01), dedicated to the Free Energy subject, where it was highly appreciated.
Really quiet from 2023 standpoint !
But by the Hannover conference pictures to see and read : Steho
Okay, https://overunity.com/17446/steho-energy-saving-system/ (https://overunity.com/17446/steho-energy-saving-system/)
Progress since theretime ,2017 ?
Somebody who claims instead 600 Km a 4000 Km drive range enhancement and stays unknown,by not claim open demonstration ....,
https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=auto01
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on August 21, 2023, 10:29:17 AM
For me unknown : STH Technologies
https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=nasha-kompaniya (https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=nasha-kompaniya)
In 2011, the technology was presented at a scientific conference in Hanover (https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=conf01), dedicated to the Free Energy subject, where it was highly appreciated.
Really quiet from 2023 standpoint !
But by the Hannover conference pictures to see and read : Steho
Okay, https://overunity.com/17446/steho-energy-saving-system/ (https://overunity.com/17446/steho-energy-saving-system/)
Progress since theretime ,2017 ?
Somebody who claims instead 600 Km a 4000 Km drive range enhancement and stays unknown,by not claim open demonstration ....,
https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=auto01
wmbr
OCWL
Stepanov was very specific in stating and demonstrating his power increase devices. Meaning resonant. I came to the conclusion that he managed to turn a transformer into a generator.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html?m=1
By the way Stepanov (STECHO laboratory) where he presents a power amplification unit allowing to save up to 50%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOVMUloBXI
QuoteOur REM (Regenerator of Electric Power) unit allows you to reduce electricity consumption by more than 50%. You can imagine what this means for business. The unit is already in operation not only in Russia, but also in the Czech Republic, Germany, Slovenia and other countries. The unit is patented and certified in Russia and EU countries. It can be used in a wide range of businesses: from large enterprises to gas stations and greenhouses.
(video dated 4 years ago)
This video is from a very long time ago https://youtu.be/fDRTdTJTgGc?list=PLRYhzUMB2BkK-tcJrOj950naG1It7I2kf
12 years ago, where Stepanov demonstrates power amplification. Measurement, two electric meters at the input to the converter and at the output before the load. This method of measurement is the most correct - Quantitative.
Attached is a picture of the STECHO regenerator they installed at the mining farm. (photo from a guy who was there) he said that the input consumption is 6 kW and the output is 17 kW. I can neither confirm nor deny it. I know the guy virtually and for a long time, he will not make it up for sure, he does not need it. That's why by external signs my opinion is that just the transformer is switched to generator mode. Фотография и посещение сделаны 4 года назад.
rakarskiy,
Deleted....
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 20, 2023, 08:58:35 PM
Goat,
First of all I don't know a Bob walker or even care who he is.
Just because I didn't answer someone question , doesn't mean I know that person.
I have a few friend who Visit Holcomb in Florida, this Bob Walker I don't know.
I look at the facts and was ask to looking into Holcomb claims. After just a little research BS meter started to go off.
Nice try Goat, but I have more integrity then your buddy SL.
It's just a matter of time people will want their money back, did you invest or are you like SL collecting investment on a unproven claim?
I answer your question, now answer mine, are you a investor or selling false claims?
It seem like many people on this forum has been pushing Holcomb device like they know him. Are you a salesman or a investor GOAT?
Tom
Hi Tom
I'm sorry but you seem to have misinterpreted my post, I used the quote function from a post by SL to ask a question, not to get involved in your above flame war with SL.
To repeat, my question was:
@ SL
Is the above
Aetherholic COP_2.56 Device Description in a thread on a forum that describes the materials and circuit to achieve this?
Is it based on Holcomb or something else?
Tom, if you can delete your above post it would be greatly appreciated as it makes me look like an antagonist to the FE community which I assure you I am not.
Thank you
Tom, who told you I'm gullible? On the contrary, I don't say yes or no until I figure it out. I figured out how one Holcomb oscillator works, and it works. A pocket oscillator in the topology in the patent cannot work. Although I was convinced by one person who was there that he had seen this device. Until I understand the ins and outs, I will not take a position. Besides, there are a lot of technical difficulties in Holcomb's design. If they solve them, I will be only glad.
Regarding the efficiency figure you point to, there is no information other than a photo of the box with the author's efficiency plate. His assertions are not backed up by anything. He didn't want to talk to me. So for now, these are just statements. That someone wants to stretch the vision of his device on the globe with his speculations is nothing more than a desire to tackle the globe.
Quote from: Goat on August 21, 2023, 04:06:57 PM
Hi Tom
I'm sorry but you seem to have misinterpreted my post, I used the quote function from a post by SL to ask a question, not to get involved in your above flame war with SL.
To repeat, my question was:
@ SL
Is the above Aetherholic COP_2.56 Device Description in a thread on a forum that describes the materials and circuit to achieve this?
Is it based on Holcomb or something else?
Tom, if you can delete your above post it would be greatly appreciated as it makes me look like an antagonist to the FE community which I assure you I am not.
Thank you
Goat,
A thread with some details starts here and runs about 20 pages:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509
Explanation of the Magnetic Field Strength (how/where the Gain is achieved):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100977#msg100977
BH Relationship (Magnetic Appraent Energy - Energy Density of various materials):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100935#msg100935
Some Links to a few highlights of the LinGen development and technical info:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100922#msg100922
Note: Aetherholic's COP_2.56 Device apparently used a Metglass substrate:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581378/#msg581378
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c
Aetherholic did not disclose (to the best of my knowledge, to date) what the internal design was.
ALSO; nearly any "Soft Iron Magnetic Material, including SMC Powders" will work - their B-H Curve
will determine the device performance and is adjusted according to the Pole Current and Timing. Patent Law does allow the contruction of a patented device for experimentation and personal use.
BTW, I don't follow this OU Forum much - too busy.
Hope this helps and Good Luck,
SL
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 21, 2023, 09:18:12 AM
Before you invest in anything, you should at least be knowledgeable about it.
Absolutely true in many situations. thank you rakarskiy /
Most of my comments contains the same message
Wesley
Quote from: SolarLab on August 21, 2023, 04:48:54 PM
Goat,
A thread with some details starts here and runs about 20 pages:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509)
Explanation of the Magnetic Field Strength (how/where the Gain is achieved):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100977#msg100977 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100977#msg100977)
BH Relationship (Magnetic Appraent Energy - Energy Density of various materials):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100935#msg100935 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100935#msg100935)
Some Links to a few highlights of the LinGen development and technical info:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100922#msg100922 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100922#msg100922)
Note: Aetherholic's COP_2.56 Device apparently used a Metglass substrate:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581378/#msg581378 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581378/#msg581378)
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c (https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/?order=all#comment-d8a09194-7010-4301-98b9-b059003cee8c)
Aetherholic did not disclose (to the best of my knowledge, to date) what the internal design was.
ALSO; nearly any "Soft Iron Magnetic Material, including SMC Powders" will work - their B-H Curve
will determine the device performance and is adjusted according to the Pole Current and Timing.
Patent Law does allow the contruction of a patented device for experimentation and personal use.
BTW, I don't follow this OU Forum much - too busy.
Hope this helps and Good Luck,
SL
Thank you very much SL for the quick response about the info I was looking for, I look forward to reading all the links you provided.
Thanks
Goat,
The thread above actually starts here (page 1 - mistaken link start is page 3 - sorry):
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98138#msg98138
There are attached PDF's throughout the posts that contain tech info that might be of interest as well.
This thread progresses [almost] step-by-step and includes some implementation methods near the
end (suggesting some microprocessor controllers, MOSFET/Driver sources, and SMC aproaches...). Lots
of interactive posts by various sources but the main theme is maintained under "solarlab."
A bit of a "read" but you might find it an interesting part of your excess energy discovery journey!
The Magnetic Gain aspect of Excess Energy is not the only technique but it's relatively straight forward,
easy to experiment with, and yields demonstrable results without too much effort and cost. This approach
can also lead to more exotic schemes as the development progresses.
Again, Good Luck!
SL
If someone here has replicated the claims of the HES in a physical device. Bravo! If you are selling it I would happily purchase one. I certainly can't get one from HES.
Jimboot,
Not yet available from Walmart - but you can always build one for yourself.
Why are you all waiting for someone to do it for you? Don't be lazy.
Try it - if it works great - if it doesn't then it's like all the rest on this forum.
Pretty easy. Maybe soon from the Big Box Stores - we shall see. A bit early yet
for the roll-out... Takes a bit of time as you know!
What's the problem - thought this was a "Research Forum."
Don't tell me you're all useless and waiting for someone else to do it for you...
SL
yeah yeah - I assure you I am far from lazy :) I have a company to run. I'm not hearing a lot of positives coming out of HES either. The only reason I try to build is that there is nothing on the market. I already put over 100 hours into that project that is my stop loss. Put me on your marketing list and I'll buy one. Thanks for all your contributions I lost faith though cheers.
About the device Aetherholic [Etherholic COP=2.56]
He posted the only information with a picture of the magic box: https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/aetherholic-s-cop-2-56-device-test/
The administrator later posted an explanation without disclosing the step-by-step instructions: https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/builders-guide-to-aboveunity-machines/
All the author explains is the proper way to work with the magnetic field. My explanations on the same forum: https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/rakarskiy-s-cop-1-4/ , пIn contrast to his explanations, I even gave the simplest diagram and calculation of a transformer and its magnetic circuit features, which I developed to confirm what I said about the difference between the principles of transformer mutual induction and generator induction.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
If you have an equilibrated magnetic system, it can be taken out of equilibrium at low cost and when it comes back into equilibrium you can get more than you spent. A good example is Stefan Hartmann's EasyMEG.
I have been looking into the subject for a long time, it is the principle that interests me. There can be only one principle: generator EMF with the calculation of the circuit with load. Generator EMF occurs at full magnetic hysteresis of the magnetic field in the core. How you achieve this is a matter of engineering. Holcomb achieves this by switching electromagnets according to a special algorithm, repeating the effect of rotation of the mechanical magnetic rotor in the stator of a synchronous generator. Stepanov probably and I am already 100% convinced of this has solved it in a different way - eliminated the electrical-capacitive coupling of the primary and secondary winding, achieved that the secondary winding works in generator mode. What it is, just do the math. The effect of lack of coupling is a drop in current in the reference circuit at the occurrence of current in the secondary circuit of the transformer or more precisely trans-generator. This effect is demonstrated in the video by Raselli1 (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=ru&tl=en&hl=ru&client=webapp&u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dx-EuPGl8JjE%26t%3D2s)in the same year when Stepanov patented this technology, but did not disclose how to do it.
An example of a Stepanov device already in operation at a commercial facility in Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7bSF9IpwVY
https://sth-technology.ru/index.php?id=rem&setlang=en
Stepanov technology promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKTcontecfM
Link to a video of a presentation of the autonomous system: https://sth-technology.ru/data/uploads/video/apss01.mp4 /is very close to the technology that I do./
All of Arkady Stepanov's patents in the Google database: https://patents.google.com/?inventor=%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87+%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%95%D0%9F%D0%90%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%92
Attached is a screenshot of the Stepanov device operation display at a specific commercial facility.
What's in this closet that OverUnity is showing you! I think there's no need for comment.
Quote from: Jimboot on August 22, 2023, 12:12:59 AM
If someone here has replicated the claims of the HES in a physical device. Bravo! If you are selling it I would happily purchase one. I certainly can't get one from HES.
So, would Youtube video make you more comfortable? I doubt it. Maybe a "Paint-by-Number sketch," Not yet avalable, sorry.
Jimboot,
You'll just have to be patient - like everyone else - unless you can do it your self... For now at least... Patience!
It's in-the-works!
No I'm not selling aything - I'm an Engineering Analysyt, that's what I do. But, this one is pretty "Cool" so I support it!
You don't have to believe in it - that's fine; but I can see the implications Worldwide - and I don't have an ego or any other
steak in the pool!
What a Zoo this place is!
BTW - I post because I enjoy the Joust! Nothing more - I don't give a Shit if you guys ever figure it out or achieve excess energy!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 22, 2023, 01:48:45 AM
What a Zoo this place is!
BTW - I post because I enjoy the Joust! Nothing more - I don't give a Shit if you guys ever figure it out or achieve excess energy!
SL
Well I really hope you do achieve it and best of luck to you and all those here. Not sure why you would choose to treat fellow builders this way who have been supportive of your work. I have been grateful publicly. You do not need to convince anyone as you say. So stop trying. Ad hominem attacks from here on in will be moderated.
Quote from: adrouk on August 20, 2023, 06:25:33 AM
To be honest I really don't understand why we have this thread running on tens of pages. What is the real interest for this ?
As far as I can see we are discussing a device on the last phase before launching on the market which is under patent protection. Did anyone from Holocomb asked for help from this forum or someone is just sticking their nose for an obscure reason ? What is the benefit of this forum for such a discussion ? Do Holocomb needs a backup from us just in case someone threaten them ? It won't work without full disclosure and as I can see there is no threat as their device still using grid power ( is just increased efficiency).
So, imho is just another smoke and mirrors tactic meant to counter real FE and OU. And mostly looks like an harassment from both sides against each other ... absolutely unnecessary !
For increased efficiency just look for ufopolitics to see how it can be achieved and some new methods for FE ... yet not under patent
I've been holding back to express my opinion for long enough on this thread which lead to nowhere beneficial for Holocomb or this forum.
What I really want to add is, no business big or small will be safe once any 1 device will be in the open, built and operating if this is of concern.
But, this will lead to huge benefit of mankind ending the world order as it is now we're ready available power everywhere could end up hungry, develop travel/transport without pollution in a fast manner for almost any volume needed to be moved and should be happening to end up wasting resources and lives on this planet. No need for wars in this way when you can have almost anything anywhere and all the budgets for crazy destruction of life in any form can be used for something beneficial for all human kind.
Re patents, clarification is required here.
Holcombs device is under the *protection of patent application both WPO and U.S. *This protection is retrospective to the time of application only if the patent is subsequently granted.
Both WPO and U.S. have not granted patents. You can check the patent office correspondance to see the objections raised by the examiners.
So you can see that this is far from done and dusted.
As for the Holcomb devices, there is an inline generator which you refered to and there is an off line self looping generator. Holcomb have been very vocal about their developments and their patent applications are in the public domain.
A self looping generator is a very bold claim and people on this forum are interested in these devices and how they actually function and achieve the results they claim.
Many of us want to see the results of more independent testing.
I don't believe this forum exists to provide support for any commercial operation.
If I was an investor in a technical commercial venture, I would make my own investigations directly. I would not rely on or expect public forums to help me in this regard.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 22, 2023, 05:05:19 AM
Re patents, clarification is required here.
Holcombs device is under the *protection of patent application both WPO and U.S. *This protection is retrospective to the time of application only if the patent is subsequently granted.
Both WPO and U.S. have not granted patents. You can check the patent office correspondance to see the objections raised by the examiners.
So you can see that this is far from done and dusted.
As for the Holcomb devices, there is an inline generator which you refered to and there is an off line self looping generator. Holcomb have been very vocal about their developments and their patent applications are in the public domain.
A self looping generator is a very bold claim and people on this forum are interested in these devices and how they actually function and achieve the results they claim.
Many of us want to see the results of more independent testing.
I don't believe this forum exists to provide support for any commercial operation.
If I was an investor in a technical commercial venture, I would make my own investigations directly. I would not rely on or expect public forums to help me in this regard.
L192
If this is the case indeed, than means someone want replicators to work for free on their invention which will be under patent and not open source as required from this forum
SL,
"Relief for you all:
Since blatent lies and shilling are acceptable here, I will withdraw from this "Forum"
You all have been given enough information and analysis to achieve an "excess energy"
device, so there is nothing more I can do for you - you will now have to do it for yourselves!
SL".
SL seem to be adding more BS to the fire? You claim to be a engineer analysis, more like false information machine. You have nothing but false data that you can put any numbers into and have the outcome at your own wishes.
Never trust these people, prototypes speaks loader then a video game.
It seem SL, has a ego that won't shut up with his false claims.
He can't build a prototype to show everyone he knows how it works, so he keep making stuff up as a specialist in false information.
Since he can't build it, I have offer many times to help on this forum and build a prototype. It's not that hard when you realize Holcomb used Chinese motors and taped into each field with lots of solid state switching.
If we all get off our ass, then just maybe we will discover this systems and claims are not what Holcomb claim to be.
This has forum is nothing more then a soap opera with lazy fools doing nothing but gossip!
Makes me look like a master builder, while everyone else run their mouth!
Tom
There are some that take the view that an individual may replicate an invention under patent application or patented protection, for research purposes and not for commercial gain, without fear of being sued.
There are others that would be more cautious particulary where an inventor has a history of IP litigation.
So perhaps in this case, there have already been positive and negative attempts, we dont know about. I would not assume that people on this forum have not worked on replications (beyond SL).
If it turns out that both patent applications expire, that may be the time when people publish results, as the IP will no longer be protected.
L192
Listener192
Your attempts and efforts here and on other open source projects
Have been amazing over the years
As have many here ( will try to touch base with a few other builders from topic )
One thing is certain,a simple FE device will never be bound by patents
Like trying to patent sunshine or fresh air
And this Holcomb claim is simple at its roots (CLAIM)
Would be the most horrible thing to do to our planet !
It is our destiny to have FE
Ready or not...
:-[ Passively waiting, who don't try and try to move their brains, will never wait for FE from other active inventors! This is exactly what they need to memorize very well! No one will bring them a ready-made sandwich on a plate! ???
listener192,
when You study the by WIPO/PCT published applications You will see granted,but not approved ' utility model'-application ( to see by given number),approved and grant denied ' technical standart'-applications,applications in approvement phase ,the denying or grant can be an up to ten years process !
Classified inventions,not to see in the archive,when later published ,up to 30 years and more NDA act,get their comercial validation priority date by the first day after publication !
A granted technical patent national/international is non valid,if the claim was before openly published somewhere global !The WIPO can not give the warranty that the approvement was perfect !
Btw : a WIPO-tribunal in existence for non/wrong granted decisions !
Each project can be for investors a timely fiasco,the patent pending time phase is 2 years long !
After this non granted phase each one worldwide can apply the given information,legal !
There are patent rights,and there are patents obligations !
And by many US-granted applications to see : EP grant denied,withdrawn !
There is not a grant-automatism !
And the EP-office deny gives retrospectively the possibility to recuse the US-grant act in US patent tribunal !
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Sir Fabon
Respectfully
You could not be more wrong !
3 billion persons on planet don't have a light switch or a clean drink of water
It will be served on a silver platter once found..
It is our destiny
Edit for lanca retort post 2994
Perhaps everything is fine at your house lanca
Next time better to just write
LET THEM EAT CAKE
Yeesh
ramset,
Thank you for your kind words.
Apart from testing my own ideas, I have attempted many expired patent replications over the years and never achieved a positive result.
Of course these have never directly claimed O.U. (as they never would have been granted). So if nothing else it confirmed in my own mind that many people would patent an idea even if it didnt work.
Also there is another group of inventors that have patented an idea and built a working model that is some cases appears to demonstrate certainly a large improvment in generator efficiency but still there is no commercial uptake, either via their own finance, or outside investment.
The Holcomb device seems to have evoked an emotional support of their claims from some on this forum.
Hypothetically if an individual were to demonstrate a technically strong replication of their stand alone device, that showed conclusively that it did not work as advertised, I think there would be an outcry from believers that it wasn't a faithful replication, or even that the individual had deliberately engineered a result to show that it didn't work.
I don't think I have ever seen such a reaction to a device before.
Perhaps the apparent openess of Holcomb re their web presentations is responsible for this almost religious following.
Regards
L192
Quote from: Jimboot on August 18, 2023, 06:23:30 PM
in my conversations with tim he confirmed he is not aware of independent tests by a third party. Dnv was observation only.
In my solid state linear generator I get big kick out from small input kick whit lesser turns on theOutput. I would like to share and discuss my findings with Tim if he is interested. Can you ask him if you are in contact with him.Pm me.
About uniqueness of excitation and shape of solid-state rotor of Holcomb, for synchronous generator, there can be very strong contradictions.
It is like demanding uniqueness when the collector unit is replaced by a solid-state unit. By the way, we can also credit John Bedini for this action. In Cole's frame motor, he replaced the collector commutation unit with a solid-state one using a hall sensor and semiconductor half-bridges. And the idea of switching electromagnets in the armature/rotor is not new. It's a matter of implementation in a specific working model. I am not interested in the right of possession, but in technical solutions.
In the following patents also the rotor is static and only the coils are switched.
Generator JP2004140991A 2002-09-27, inventor Shoji Haned (Tokyo, Japan)
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/5c/32/bb/eff0321508bdb0/JP2004140991A.pdf
"Apparatus for generating alternating current by a dc brush rotating with a field pole generator, and apparatus for generating dc power", Jae-Soon Park, 2014-01-14, Status - Active until 2030-12-17
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
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rakarskiy,
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
for U.S.A.,
for EPA european members : free source
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP10797313&tab=main (https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP10797313&tab=main)
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"Apparatus for generating alternating current by a dc brush rotating with a field pole generator, and apparatus for generating dc power", Jae-Soon Park, 2014-01-14, Status - Active until 2030-12-17
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588
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Thank you for the link. Few years ago I have posted the ideea on energetic forum, good to see someone else had same. Although is clasified as "alleged perpetua mobile", to me make sense. I have to find the "prototype" on my scrapped project and restart.
Any ideas why would not work replacing brute force rotation with mooving magnetic field?
Quote from: ramset on August 22, 2023, 06:43:17 AM
Sir Fabon
Respectfully
You could not be more wrong !
3 billion persons on planet don't have a light switch
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=559073772&q=no+electric+light+by+bottle&oq=no+electric+light+by+bottle&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=559073772&q=no+electric+light+by+bottle&oq=no+electric+light+by+bottle&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
or a clean drink of water
At oceanic coast : https://news.mit.edu/2022/portable-desalination-drinking-water-0428 (https://news.mit.edu/2022/portable-desalination-drinking-water-0428)
The resulting water exceeded World Health Organization quality guidelines, and the unit reduced the amount of suspended solids by at least a factor of 10. Their prototype generates drinking water at a rate of 0.3 liters per hour, and requires only 20 watt-hours per liter.
It will be served on a silver platter once found..
But for 20 W HES is not the right partner !?
It is our destiny
Quote from: marcosbk on August 22, 2023, 08:33:15 AM
"Apparatus for generating alternating current by a dc brush rotating with a field pole generator, and apparatus for generating dc power", Jae-Soon Park, 2014-01-14, Status - Active until 2030-12-17
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8629588B2/en?oq=8%2c629%2c588)
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Thank you for the link. Few years ago I have posted the ideea on energetic forum, good to see someone else had same. Although is clasified as "alleged perpetua mobile", to me make sense. I have to find the "prototype" on my scrapped project and restart.
Any ideas why would not work replacing brute force rotation with mooving magnetic field?
Simple, both methods are subject to lenz law.
L192
Good point. Yet some may say that laws are made to be broken. At the end is a man made law.
We may find a way around it and called "singularity". That would not be the first time.
I guess that the reason this is called overunity forum, to find the exception to the rules.
Otherwise this forum should be "bend to the rules"
Rgds
Marc
Quote from: marcosbk on August 22, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
Good point. Yet some may say that laws are made to be broken. At the end is a man made law.
We may find a way around it and called "singularity". That would not be the first time.
I guess that the reason this is called overunity forum, to find the exception to the rules.
Otherwise this forum should be "bend to the rules"
Rgds
Marc
Lenz action occurs within and around the conductor at the electron level.
Lenz law circumvention... I certainly have not found a way after 30 years of experimentation but then I am no genius, just persistant.
L192
Lenz law , lenz law - what is the essence of Lenz law ? FORCE
Quote from: forest on August 22, 2023, 11:16:48 AM
Lenz law , lenz law - what is the essence of Lenz law ? FORCE
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/429998/if-force-is-a-vector-then-why-is-pressure-a-scalar
There are often not to see : the arrow
Linear,centrifugal,centipetal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law
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btw as p.s. : Lenz corrected also Faradays wrong electric orientation definition ,Faraday-Lenz law
I believe Faraday had made the correction in his lab notes (available on line) but it was too late to get this into his paper.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 22, 2023, 01:34:45 PM
I believe Faraday had made the correction in his lab notes (available on line) but it was too late to get this into his paper.
L192
I have a different approach to the law of electromagnetic induction and to the rule of Lenz clarifying this law. the law of electromagnetic induction must be looked at when you close the electrodes of the galvanic element, in the generator it is already a continuation. At the same time I do not insist, this is my version and concept without electrons in high-speed races.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
We can see the conservation laws a little more complex,included derivation :
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0012009&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7r4eV-PCAAxW4UKQEHcstB484KBAWegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw1wxQ9y1ncgyJa_KMT3G6Q7
Quote from: lancaIV on August 22, 2023, 03:02:56 PM
We can see the conservation laws a little more complex,included derivation :
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https://www.google.com/url?q=https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0012009&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7r4eV-PCAAxW4UKQEHcstB484KBAWegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw1wxQ9y1ncgyJa_KMT3G6Q7
The term "acyclic induction" overlaps with "non-contact" induction, or induction at the focus of a magnetic circuit, when the magnetic lines of force flux, envelope the conductor forming a closed magnetic flux without crossing the conductor.
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E =
2π (
ϕ = ∆B*∆S)
∆f, where:
ϕ = ∆B*∆S, the resultant of the "inhomogeneous" parts of the ring-closed magnetic flux around the conductor. Actually the resultant would be the ∆B value for the rotor and stator in a gap, magnetic circuit. (but I may be wrong on this question, as I do not have exact data yet). This phenomenon can be compared to the phenomenon of ANAPOL (http://www.femto.com.ua/articles/part_1/0132.html#:~:text=%D0%90%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%9F%D0%9E%D0%9B%D0%AC%20%28%D0%BE%D1%82%20%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87.%20an%20-%20%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%82.%20%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%20%D0%B8,-%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%8D%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87.%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%2C%20%D1%81%20-%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5.).
QuoteANAPOL (from Greek an - negative particle and polos - pole) (toroidal dipole) - a system of currents, the electromagnetic field of which is characterized by a vector of anapole momentum.
My post about an interesting experiment (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/03/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
This intersects with my theory of the electromagnetic flux structure of a conductor. (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/p/emf-and-current-in-conductor.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
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With this comparison, I concluded my post "The Invention of the Electromagnetic Generator (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/02/over-unity-system.html)"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_circuit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_circuit)
Electrostatic non-/conventional closed circuit :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret)
https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/dlattach/attach/5493/image// (https://overunity.com/833/hilden-brand-magnet-motor/dlattach/attach/5493/image//)
EE,circuits : aktive and passive Bauelemente
Direct current or constant current versus impulsive current !
' Conservation of .....- laws on/off switch ~ charging on/off switch
Impulse electromagnetic anti-Helmholtz coils arrangement ( with-/out permanent magnet)
Impulse charge time /impulse work time(max. to min.) ~ impulse cycle decay : parametric generator
https://opg.optica.org/ol/abstract.cfm?uri=ol-47-5-1113 (https://opg.optica.org/ol/abstract.cfm?uri=ol-47-5-1113)
Caution :
https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2003079128&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en
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Furthermore, in experiments conducted by the inventors, the permanent magnet 1 made of an alnico magnet and having a residual magnetic flux density of 8.45 kg was used for the long-time operation of the generator 6 of the present invention. Two U-shaped yokes 2 having a length of 25 cm are sandwiched and coordinated through a thin film paramagnetic body 20 made of an aluminum plate having a thickness of 0.03 mm. A magnetized coil 3 with a capacity of 6.2 kg is provided at the edge of the yoke 2. AC power of 24 V 2.6 W with a frequency of 1600 Hz is input to this magnetized coil 3, and power generation with an output of 32 V 3.1 W is continued for 240 hours. As a result of measuring the residual magnetic flux density of the permanent magnet 1, the reduction rate is 0.1% or less, and long-time operation is sufficiently possible.
power/weight ratio !
power/production costs ratio
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OCWL
Quote from: adrouk on August 21, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
I am losing my patience seeing how you twist the truth
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Technicality talks to educated in art.
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Reports about technicality talks to some others (average housewife may not be moved at all.)
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Facts using
technical language makes
reports valid .
- Truth for Holcomb and his promoter SolarLab is different than your Truth dear adrouk.
So who is twisting what?
Holcomb twisted Applications made to fit Patent Office and attorneys twisting Court cases,
are presenting adjusted Truth paid for his commercial interest survival and prosperity.
and you Dear adrouk. twist the above reality trying it to fit an open forum agenda.
Use of more communicative in its form English wouldn't harm you at all.
Your
technicality is judged by the very specific and accurate terminology you have chronic problem to apply.
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related to: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581456/#msg581456 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581456/#msg581456)
Wesley
Wesley's wife
- educated in art of psychology.
Clearly I have a different approach, I won't provide any explanation for a device as why is working or not in terms of mainstream science. So I will avoid technically language as much as possible. It will be just build description eventually some I/O presented.
Experiment rather than theory. Open source rather than patent, where patent way is just way to failure of mass production of fe/ou devices as gov&bigoilco is watching and plenty individuals are paid just to twist the truth.
So, no need to validate reports with sophisticated technical wording as, those educated in the art will understand from first sight, while opening the way for everyone.
We know very well dear stivep your desire to hide and shelf anything in this field from public enquiry and your approach against sharing the knowledge. We know as well that you are in the favour to reduce the mainstream science to the role of being a guardian of gov/bigoilco instead of benefit for all who pay real social cost and/or contribute to their budget.
And yes, you twist the truth almost in every post you make, inserting your malefic allusions trying to create smoke and mirrors at all time.
If you have in your hands a working device, you don't care whatever mainstream science is telling you why it won't work. We have a lot of people with excellent build skills and most of the are deceived by devices like Kapagen, Don Smith etc where they are constantly throw on false path by many benevolent individuals from mainstream science.
Also, as long as no major player is interested anymore in any brevet or patent that isn't made in their own labs and constantly bough and shelved if any breakthrough from other source, while those major players maintain and force dependency on the grid we MUST avoid any patent office as they will kill inventions or even ban them and force inventors to surrender their work stoping under threat of being jailed.
So, Don Smith work was just a start and was enough to open the eyes for many.
In this way we move the "battle" from knowledge to production, where manufacturers will play a major role and not the grid and associates, while inventors and innovators can make their living with practical solutions at speed. Also, leave the mainstream science to harvest what they sow by siding with gov/bigoilco, or come clean in front of everyone and fit for purpose.
Yet, we have plenty "man with an soldering iron" that already built cheap devices and solutions with extremely low level expenses to replace existing domestic power and keep for the moment everything in place in our homes. Also I can recommend shielding from emp for stockpile to easy and fast replace if the other "guy with a van" decide to take a ride on someone's order.
Soon enough we will witness more and more people sharing their working devices including devices that devices presented as working but inefficient to worth building (as concluded by some) as is the case for many even on this forum.
It is time for open eyes and embrace the change. :)
Quote from: adrouk on August 26, 2023, 05:55:23 AM
Clearly I have a different approach, I won't provide any explanation for a device as why is working or not in terms of mainstream science. So I will avoid technically language as much as possible. It will be just build description eventually some I/O presented.
Experiment rather than theory. Open source rather than patent, where patent way is just way to failure of mass production of fe/ou devices as gov&bigoilco is watching and plenty individuals are paid just to twist the truth.
So, no need to validate reports with sophisticated technical wording as, those educated in the art will understand from first sight, while opening the way for everyone.
We know very well dear stivep your desire to hide and shelf anything in this field from public enquiry and your approach against sharing the knowledge. We know as well that you are in the favour to reduce the mainstream science to the role of being a guardian of gov/bigoilco instead of benefit for all who pay real social cost and/or contribute to their budget.
And yes, you twist the truth almost in every post you make, inserting your malefic allusions trying to create smoke and mirrors at all time.
If you have in your hands a working device, you don't care whatever mainstream science is telling you why it won't work. We have a lot of people with excellent build skills and most of the are deceived by devices like Kapagen, Don Smith etc where they are constantly throw on false path by many benevolent individuals from mainstream science.
Also, as long as no major player is interested anymore in any brevet or patent that isn't made in their own labs and constantly bough and shelved if any breakthrough from other source, while those major players maintain and force dependency on the grid we MUST avoid any patent office as they will kill inventions or even ban them and force inventors to surrender their work stoping under threat of being jailed.
So, Don Smith work was just a start and was enough to open the eyes for many.
In this way we move the "battle" from knowledge to production, where manufacturers will play a major role and not the grid and associates, while inventors and innovators can make their living with practical solutions at speed. Also, leave the mainstream science to harvest what they sow by siding with gov/bigoilco, or come clean in front of everyone and fit for purpose.
Yet, we have plenty "man with an soldering iron" that already built cheap devices and solutions with extremely low level expenses to replace existing domestic power and keep for the moment everything in place in our homes. Also I can recommend shielding from emp for stockpile to easy and fast replace if the other "guy with a van" decide to take a ride on someone's order.
Soon enough we will witness more and more people sharing their working devices including devices that devices presented as working but inefficient to worth building (as concluded by some) as is the case for many even on this forum.
It is time for open eyes and embrace the change. :)
Why do you think patents will suppress developing technologies?
It did not suppress the development of the solar cell and now we have viable solar panels providing free energy.
Patents are also not suppressing the devopment of higher and higher efficiency solar cells.
The reason the stated overunity energy devices do not achieve granted patents, is because their inventors are unable to demonstrate to a scientific peer group and the patent office, that they function according to their stated description.
L192
Quote from: listener192 on August 26, 2023, 06:38:11 AM
Why do you think patents will suppress developing technologies?
It did not suppress the development of the solar cell and now we have viable solar panels providing free energy.
Patents are also not suppressing the devopment of higher and higher efficiency solar cells.
The reason the stated overunity energy devices do not achieve granted patents, is because their inventors are unable to demonstrate to a scientific peer group and the patent office, that they function according to their stated description.
L192
First of all, when you go to any patent office there is a list they need to consult from gov and military, if intended patent will touch any of their interest aka, possible disrupting national/international economy all files and materials will be confiscated and inventor baned from further research with patent denied.
Second, if indeed the invention is ou or fe exploited at low level, bigoilco will buy it and toss. Just to maintain dependency on the grid.
Your example with solar and eolian systems is just what they doing by allow it where we have most unreliable weather dependant harvest of energy, while showing dependency of the grid is the only solution. They let it go in the open to make clear that possible decoupling from the grid comes at some indecent price ... huge investment in power banks with excessive cost for replacement at set intervals despite cheap easy to achieve unmetered energy.
Just think who is the biggest supplier of oil and gas and why their counterparts aren't bothered, when all of them work hand in hand to keep their status on world stage at the expenses of everyone.
Just try to see if there is any pattern of who inventors of devices and theories evolved after their public release ... N Tesla,Stan Meyer, J Newman, Arie Melis deGeus, and many other.
My advice is to avoid any patent office as they are a death trap. Build and use while share setup is the best approach imho ... and might keep you alive and well to enjoy ou/fe.
Once everything is in the open and large mass usage is happening it won't be any problem to patent again.
;)
adrouk you are wrong a patent is a document that gives copyright to a utility model, technology and so on. A patent can be an authorization of the author to freely use his invention. And many utility models, we learn from patents. The fact that the system closes many inventions and technologies is not a secret, but this is only the details of the system.
You can first present, make a similar instruction of your invention and only then file a patent application, which requires funding from your side. There is also the option of free publications, demonstrations of your invention. What can you demonstrate? And where can I see it? Hippolyte Pixie and unknown P.M. invented and built their generators in 1832, after Michael Faraday invented and published his inventions.
Secondly, without elementary knowledge of electrical engineering, physics, metalworking, other related specialties, skills of design, manufacture and operation - a "handy soldering iron holder" can use his soldering iron only for heating his anus, thus injuring himself and blaming the manufacturer of the soldering iron for his injury.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/02/over-unity-system.html
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html
All patents go through the application phase, why do you think that no one has managed to replicate a working device from these applications?
I have tried hundreds of replications over 30 years and have not seen a glimmer of one device performing as stated.
Having test equipment commensurate to the task is essential, particulary with pulsed systems, so you don't mislead yourself.
To achieving a working device is much, much harder than most people realise and there are even few mainstream engineers out there that have chosen an MSc/PhD thesis based on some of theses devices, even though that is risky i.e. going against your professors primary field of interest however, the concusions are always the same... the devices dont work.
This doesn't mean that I don't believe a working device is possible.
Regarding your list of inventors...
Stanley Meyer
Convicted in court for investor fraud.
He died of a brain aneurysm.
I had a major brain hemorrhage several years ago. This type kills about 72% of patients so I was lucky to survive with relatively minor limb function loss.
One cause is undiagnosed Amyloid angiopathy, which they scan for as part of the investigation.
Not the cause for mine which was high BP.
The point of this is, that an aneurysm can happen apparently out of the blue, sad but explainable.
Joseph Newman
After unsucessful patent applications, a judge ordered Newman's machine to be tested by the National Bureau of Standards (NBS). The National Bureau of Standards (NBS), now known as the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), by request of the patent office, tested the device for several months and got negative results. In every case presented in the NBS report, the output power was less than power input from the battery pack, and therefore the efficiency was less than 100%. The court therefore upheld the rejection of the patent application.
Newman argued that he had been mistreated by the patent office, and tried to have his motor legalized directly by the US Congress. He obtained a hearing on 30 July 1986 in front of several senators, but he was unsuccessful. During the hearing, Newman refused to have the machine tested by independent experts, and senator John Glenn pointed out that his supposedly independent expert actually had a prior business relationship with him.
The case is now cited in the USPTO's Manual of Patent Examining Procedure as an example of an "inoperative" invention that can't have any utility, concretely as a perpetual motion machine.
In August 2007 the Alabama Securities Commission issued a cease and desist order to the "Newman Energy Corporation", alleging it had sold unregistered stock in the company.
Newman died in 2015 aged 78, of natural causes. This is in the normal ball park for his generation.
Arie Melis deGeus
I dont think there was anything particulary fraudulent regarding his work, so I assume your assumption was that he was assasinated.
DeGeus was found slumped in his car in the long term parking area of the airport, totally unresponsive. He was rushed to the hospital, and was pronounced dead very quickly.The resulting autopsy indicated heart failure, and thus concluded "death from natural causes".
DeGeus was 45 which although young, it is in the ball park for undiagnosed heart disease resulting in heart attacks.
L192
Shall we extend the list with Kapanadze and Adrian Gruscha , sparky Floyd, Mooray ? Even in facts presented is just one side view (most convenient for authorities obviously).
Needless to say that I have no trust whatsoever in any gov anywhere anymore, nor their institutions that only certify themselves
Although is just my opinion on how to protect yourself when your device/claim go against every major player in energy grid generation and avoid all or most consequences. Also, is consistent with open source full disclosure forum policy :)
I would like to see some possible scenarios if few thousands of devices will start to be shown working next day ? What position will take gov and major energy generation companies or even army ? How it will look to have these devices in the open, with no connection to the grid nor using restricted materials ?
Sparky Sweet was in his 80's when he died in 1988, with a well established heart condition.
His VTA was only ever demonstrated on his lab bench to people that were advocates of alternative energy i.e. reputational enhancements among the peer group!
Where was the scientific accredited body examination?
No replication attempt has shown a glimmer of working.
Thomas Henry Moray died in 1974, at age 82.
Yes I have read the stories about Moray and the patent office, the main objection from the UPTO being "so where is the energy coming from". With no explanation forthcoming from Moray, nor a working demonstration to the patent examiner, the outcome was not surprising.
Regarding all the alleged attempts on his life and the alleged communist plots in the 1940's, Where are all the police reports?
So much folklore surrounding these people but no working examples of their work in evidence today.
L192
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Quote from: listener192 on August 26, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Sparky Sweet was in his 80's when he died in 1988, with a well established heart condition.
His VTA was only ever demonstrated on his lab bench to people that were advocates of alternative energy i.e. reputational enhancements among the peer group!
Where was the scientific accredited body examination?
No replication attempt has shown a glimmer of working.
Thomas Henry Moray died in 1974, at age 82.
Yes I have read the stories about Moray and the patent office, the main objection from the UPTO being "so where is the energy coming from". With no explanation forthcoming from Moray, nor a working demonstration to the patent examiner, the outcome was not surprising.
Regarding all the alleged attempts on his life and the alleged communist plots in the 1940's, Where are all the police reports?
So much folklore surrounding these people but no working examples of their work in evidence today.
L192
Yep, all them ordinary fake, no need for mainstream science to bother, all were scammers showing off magic tricks ... yet, some private companies benefit from most of this fakes using design or theories.
Just because inventors don't want any of those academia to analayse their work 🤣
That's the best attitude ... picture all them as snake oil salesman than steal and use for free their work.
Must be really infantile if you have a working device, to go to the office patent if someone expect the inventor to teach them new things that might be adverse to what mainstream science allow to exist.
If you send a working device, they only need to measure input and output to have the patent granted, not to spend years to teach hardheaded. It is inventor choice to disclose their theories or not especially when going against what is called mainstream science.
It seems that they learned a good lesson after Tesla won in court over Marconi, that's why they not going to allow anything in the open. More than that, USPTO require all specific details to be removed from the patent .. see all letters sent to Arie deGeus.
I'm still confident that building devices and spread them all over the world will change this crap or will lead to a new Inquisition to be instated. Build and use, show recommendations and full instructions for build and use and let all academia to figure out what's going on.
When I'm about to build a device I only take in account what input I can use and what is desired output in a specific form ... I really don't care what other scientific corp might think about as long as I'm not using any restricted materials ... and outside are plenty people who start to do it ike this after all the abuse and being treated as scammers. And repurpose for old things works best with low cost investment.
Un-/doubt-/full ?
A. 1. https://holcombenergysystems.com/ (https://holcombenergysystems.com/)
Operates at a fraction of the cost of fossil fuels
2. https://il.linkedin.com/in/israel-hirshberg-20164677 (https://il.linkedin.com/in/israel-hirshberg-20164677)
Airpower develops a technology to convert ATMOSPHERIC AIR HEAT INTO CHEAP AND CLEAN ELECTRICITY.
This technology is far better than wind power or photo-voltaic technologies since it generates electricity 24/7 at a minimal cost of 2.5 cents per kilo-watt-hour.
3. https://www.ggoe.org/https://www.climatecontrolnews.com.au/contracting/fuel-free-gearbox (https://www.ggoe.org/https://www.climatecontrolnews.com.au/contracting/fuel-free-gearbox)
The GGOE Gearbox will offers a range of units with different capacities: 10kw, 20kw and 50kw, and will sell for $5995, $9995 and $49.995 respectively.
6000 $/10 KW = 600 $/KW x 1,05 ( for 5%capital tax ) / 8766 ( 24/7/52 weeks = 1 year R.O.I.) = 7,2 ¢/KWh
2 years R.O.I.,5% cap.tax ~ 3,8 ¢/KWh 5 years R.O.I., 5%cap. tax. = 1,75 ¢/KWh
"We have already built our first prototype and we have secured an Australian Standard Patent," he said.
B. a.theory b. physical proof of concept - model c.demonstration
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Disbeliever : with technical-scientifical believe these ' estatal experts' would never give such unbelievable preview !
C. https://overunity.com/19538/german-electricity-price-preview/msg581481/#new (https://overunity.com/19538/german-electricity-price-preview/msg581481/#new)
The lowest values of 37 cents per kWh are assumed for the years 2024 and 2025. After that, the price would increase gradually – to 40.27 cents per kWh in 2042.
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: adrouk on August 26, 2023, 05:55:23 AM
Clearly I have a different approach, I won't provide any explanation for a device .//
Experiment rather than theory. Open source rather than patent, //
We know very well dear stivep your desire to hide and shelf anything in this field from public enquiry //
Soon enough we will witness more and more people sharing their working devices including devices that devices
presented as working but inefficient to worth building (as concluded by some) as is the case for many even on this forum.
It is time for open eyes and embrace the change. :)
12 years old
American kid might use quite more sophisticated rhetoric, English skills and logic than yours.
12 years old
American kid after my 13 years of contribution to this forum is now 25 - likely an engineer , who read my
~3500 mostly educational comments explaining processes every experimenter must understand to move further up in area of interest.
Some other Russians presents much more precise and concise creative text than yours, with use of on line translator .
We looked through all the comments of yours, increasingly disappointed with your ability to understand basics in both theory and technicality of its outcome.
__________________________________________________________________Quote from: adrouk on August 26, 2023, 01:18:24 PM
after Tesla won in court over Marconi, //I'm about to build a device
No-one won nothing: Tesla died in 1943, 6 months before the judgement, and Marconi in 1937 They were both dead long before court finals.
American history can be online translated to your language too if you are willing to do so.
Building a "device" needs a builder- mechanic, master, you need to hire first.
Переобулись, - больше бaблa сейчас?__________________________________________________________________
related to: https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581456/#msg581456 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581456/#msg581456)
I wish you the best
Wesley
' after Tesla won in court over Marconi !? Clearly,by priority date !
Marconi received the Alfred Nobel prize in Physics for the radio= wireless communication development,not Nikola Tesla !
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Freferer%3D%26httpsredir%3D1%26article%3D3783%26context%3Dmlr&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjEo9j_ivuAAxW7RKQEHa2JC1gQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw396wCnjwnt2oCWcQerEzSM (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Freferer%3D%26httpsredir%3D1%26article%3D3783%26context%3Dmlr&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjEo9j_ivuAAxW7RKQEHa2JC1gQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw396wCnjwnt2oCWcQerEzSM)
page 755 ,1893 theory/praxis
The first wireless telephone,before Motorola-era,beginning 1973 :
https://www.telespiegel.de/wissen/mobilfunk-geschichte/ (https://www.telespiegel.de/wissen/mobilfunk-geschichte/)
https://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.de/funktelefon-1940_00234331 (https://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.de/funktelefon-1940_00234331)
Forgotten inventors- Memorial !?
Btw : Domenico Mastini
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fV7U7_PfoKE&cbrd=1
versus
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/mastini-v-american-telephone-884510377 (https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/mastini-v-american-telephone-884510377)
I'm not sure why you guys and girls haven't been paying attention to the current news. Astra has validated the HES technology, imo.
SGS has been invited to RECONFIRM their findings.. now.. Infrastructure has been built to produce the ILG and intitial orders have been taken...
All that is public information..It's not too late to benefit. Upend your couch and shake it,, do whatever you can to raise a few bucks. Don't do it for your own arrogant ass, do it for your families future.
LL
Quote from: lancaIV on August 26, 2023, 03:07:50 PM
3. https://www.ggoe.org/https://www.climatecontrolnews.com.au/contracting/fuel-free-gearbox (https://www.ggoe.org/https://www.climatecontrolnews.com.au/contracting/fuel-free-gearbox)
The GGOE Gearbox will offers a range of units with different capacities: 10kw, 20kw and 50kw, and will sell for $5995, $9995 and $49.995 respectively.
6000 $/10 KW = 600 $/KW x 1,05 ( for 5%capital tax ) / 8766 ( 24/7/52 weeks = 1 year R.O.I.) = 7,2 ¢/KWh
2 years R.O.I.,5% cap.tax ~ 3,8 ¢/KWh 5 years R.O.I., 5%cap. tax. = 1,75 ¢/KWh
"We have already built our first prototype and we have secured an Australian Standard Patent," he said.
B. a.theory b. physical proof of concept - model c.demonstration
This company is just an hour up the road from me, and i am looking into it.
I have emailed the company, and offered to purchase a 10Kw unit on the condition i can test the unit prior to purchase.
Lets see if they get back to me.
Brad
Quote from: Lottalead on August 26, 2023, 07:03:05 PM
I'm not sure why you guys and girls haven't been paying attention to the current news. Astra has validated the HES technology, imo.
SGS has been invited to RECONFIRM their findings.. now.. Infrastructure has been built to produce the ILG and intitial orders have been taken...
All that is public information..It's not too late to benefit. Upend your couch and shake it,, do whatever you can to raise a few bucks. Don't do it for your own arrogant ass, do it for your families future.
LL
Hi LL,
You say "All that is public information", after saying "SGS has been invited to RECONFIRM their findings". So please point to where I can find SGS's findings. I have searched based on Holcomb's early references to SGS, but was unable to find anything and received no reply from SGS.
bi
Shake the couch...
Break your daughters piggy bank..
Sell your poke mon cards..
Good luck to you.
IYKYK IMO
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on August 26, 2023, 07:03:05 PM
why you guys and girls haven't been paying attention to the current news. Astra has validated the HES technology, imo.
Bingv with its AI is confused too.:
Hi, this is Bing.
I'm not sure what you mean by "validated".
Do you mean that Astra Energy Inc.
has joined with Holcomb Energy Systems LLC to cut carbon footprints and energy bills by 50% (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html)
Or
do you mean that Astra Energy Inc. has achieved independent testing results demonstrating (https://electricenergyonline.com/article/energy/category/biofuel/83/1036212/astra-energy-inc-achieves-independent-testing-results-demonstrating-regreen-technology-s-ability-to-turn-waste-into-non-waste-at-the-regreen-hesperia-pilot-operation-in-california.html)
Regreen Technology's ability to turn waste into non-waste (https://electricenergyonline.com/article/energy/category/biofuel/83/1036212/astra-energy-inc-achieves-independent-testing-results-demonstrating-regreen-technology-s-ability-to-turn-waste-into-non-waste-at-the-regreen-hesperia-pilot-operation-in-california.html)
[color=var(--cib-color-foreground-accent-primary)][size=var(--cib-type-caption2-strong-font-size)] (https://electricenergyonline.com/article/energy/category/biofuel/83/1036212/astra-energy-inc-achieves-independent-testing-results-demonstrating-regreen-technology-s-ability-to-turn-waste-into-non-waste-at-the-regreen-hesperia-pilot-operation-in-california.html)
Or do you mean something else? Please clarify.
__________________________
arrogance and cynical ignorance never pays in the long run.
more in my next comment:
Wesley
Easy explanation:to understand this comment read it carefully step by step
It takes 10 minutes of your time:
Quote from: Lottalead on August 26, 2023, 07:03:05 PM
you guys and girls haven't been paying attention to the current news. Astra has validated the HES technology, imo
Bing AI says:
Do you mean that Astra Energy Inc.
has joined with Holcomb Energy Systems LLC to cut carbon footprints and energy bills by 50% (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html)
in the above link please look for words:
Quote" the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity
while requiring no fuel and releasing zero carbon emissions."
Where part of the text in green is true
and part of the text in black is "likely" total
BS. Note: word "likely" is used in conjunction with legal note at the bottom
________________________________________
easy way to understand:1 . https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/ee/c3ee43299h (https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/ee/c3ee43299h)
a. in this link look for the words:
"Seebeck effect.""
b. read it as much as you can.
c. go to point 2 link now.
2 . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect)
The Seebeck effect is:
Quotethe electromotive force (emf) that develops across two points of an electrically conducting material when
there is a temperature difference between them.
the essence of "electricity production":The thermoelectric effect is the direct conversion of temperature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature) differences to electric voltage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage) and vice versa
via a thermocouple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple) [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect#cite_note-1)
conclusion:
You need to deliver energy in form of heat, to create electrical current in the load after all of the losses.
The technology is not new or unknown.
Method of energy conversion may be unique or uniquely exotic but this is about all.
So any other method will work as well.
and possibly that is why the dance with Patent office is not so comfortable to Holcomb.
I'm posting more advanced form of Holcomb Astra controversy below.
Legal note: opinion expressed ins my own.Wesley
I'll take few minutes of break and composing more advanced explanation for more professional in subject matter. takes me around 1h
Wesley
"There are well-known sources of energy, such as kinetic, solar, ambient radiation, acoustic, and thermal gradients. Now there is also nonlinear thermal power. Usually, people imagine that thermal power requires a temperature gradient. That is, of course, an important source of practical power, but what we found is a new source of power that has never existed before. And this new power does not require two different temperatures because it exists at a single temperature."
https://scitechdaily.com/long-considered-impossible-in-physics-nonlinear-circuit-harvests-clean-power-using-graphene/?expand_article=1
On top of this, some +10 years ago someone called Jes Ascanius has described an device similar with this setup which can yield some usable electricity, just needed to scale up properly and add graphene as I did at someone's advice.
;D
Some great scientists still unsure if "fuel" is an energy carrier or energy itself, when making a technical argument quoting random text generated by a parrot, in total agreement and according with their high skills in the art.
But I would like to heart what is electricity, what is magnetism, what is energy, which one is a source of energy and how a permanent magnet can be switched off ...
Are we keep saying that things that cannot be explained (by old and new) scientists from mainstream science academia don't exist ? Sounds familiar the great conclusion that any object heavier than air can't fly ?
https://overunity.com/19539/laws-of-physics-on-the-rocks-the-garret-model-in-production-soon/msg581519/#new (https://overunity.com/19539/laws-of-physics-on-the-rocks-the-garret-model-in-production-soon/msg581519/#new)
Quote from: adrouk on August 27, 2023, 01:18:46 PM
"There are well-known sources of energy, such as kinetic, solar, ambient radiation, acoustic, and thermal gradients.
Do you support (tolerant) the LGBT community ?
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE TWELFTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT IN AND FOR SARASOTA COUNTY, FLORIDA
KELMAR REALTY HOLDINGS LLC,
Plaintiff,
v.
HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEMS LLC,
Defendant. _____________________________________
CASE NO. 2023 CA 004728 NC DIVISION C CIRCUIT
RECOMMENDED ORDER OF MAGISTRATE
This matter came on for hearing on August 15, 2023 on Defendant's Motion to Tax Attorneys' Fees and Costs against Plaintiff. The Magistrate has jurisdiction pursuant to Fla. R. Civ. P. 1.490. The Magistrate submits the following Recommended Order for approval by the Court:
For the reasons stated at the hearing, the Magistrate recommends the Court GRANT the motion as to entitlement only, reserving on the amount of any award.
[X]
[ ]
IF YOU WISH TO SEEK REVIEW OF THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE MAGISTRATE, YOU MUST FILE EXCEPTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA RULE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE 1.490(I). YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE COURT WITH A RECORD SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT YOUR EXCEPTIONS OR YOUR EXCEPTIONS WILL BE DENIED. A RECORD ORDINARILY INCLUDES A WRITTEN TRANSCRIPT OF ALL RELEVANT PROCEEDINGS. THE PERSON SEEKING REVIEW MUST HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT PREPARED IF NECESSARY FOR THE COURT'S REVIEW.
The parties are aware of their ability to serve exceptions pursuant to Fla. R. Civ. P. 1.490(h), and are waiving their right to serve exceptions.
RECOMMENDED in Sarasota, Sarasota County, Florida, on August 15, 2023.
Page 1 of 2
Filed 08/15/2023 01:32 PM - Karen E. Rushing, Clerk of the Circuit Court, Sarasota County, FL
Bob's not liking these Aplles...
Dismissed with PREJUDICE. Order for the plaintiff (Bob Walker) to pay defendants (Holcomb) legal fees and costs!
Have a nice Day!
LL
in
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648)
I provided easy explanation of all of that circus
And for few who wants to feel valuable now I present:
The more advanced explanation related to
Astra, Holcomb deal
ILPG - what it is about?
_____________________________________________________________________Ok .
Lets take look at some text again so you the audience and me - we are at the same page:
in the link:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc- (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-)
Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html
we have text :
QuoteThe HES ILPG utilizes the natural energy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity
while requiring no fuel and releasing zero carbon emissions
where part of quote saying:
Quoteenergy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity
is true and rest is "likely"
BS."likely" word is used in conjunction with legal note at the bottom of the comment.Lets analyze it:
1 . electron spin in the iron atom, is explained here but applies to dielectrics too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif)
explanation: 1 impulse of ns ( nanosecond) affects lattice. Energy affecting it becomes smaller and smaller - dissipates
more of it is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave)
2 . So we have new term
Spin waveQuoteexcitations of the nuclear lattice. As temperature is increased, the thermal excitation of spin waves
reduces a ferromagnet's spontaneous magnetization. The energies of spin waves are typically only μeV in keeping with typical
Curie points at room temperature and below.
in that we need to understand that level of excitation is measured in
μeV - micro electron V that is 1/1000 of eV.
Quoteamount of kinetic energy gained by a single electron accelerating from rest through an electric potential difference of one volt in vacuum
Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt)
A banana contains naturally occurring radioactive material (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturally_occurring_radioactive_material) in the form of potassium-40 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium-40) having 1.31 MeV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt) Mega electron V
Quotehowever, in practice, this dose is not cumulative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_dose)
radiation exposure from consuming a banana is approximately 1% of the average daily exposure to radiation,
which is if you eat 100 banana per day- equivalent doses (BED).
Quote
_____________________________________________________________________
3 . in the link:
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html)
Paramagnetic spins take electrons for a ride, produce electricity from heat
please look for:
Quotespins are not entirely random in paramagnets: they form short-lived, short-range, locally ordered
structures—paramagnons—which exist for only a millionth of a millionth of a second and extend
over only two to four atoms.
from that we know that the phenomena of interest lives short ps.(pico seconds) and acts like from the link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif)
Quotedespite these shortcomings, even paramagnons can move in a temperature difference and propel free electrons along with them, creating paramagnon drag thermopower.
here is interesting point:
no no BS with OU not at all..Quote
manganese telluride (MnTe) extends to very high temperatures and generates a thermopower that is much stronger than what electron charges alone can make.
To create free electron for the current flow we need to deliver for 1-st ionization energy level measured in unit eV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page)#cite_note-1) )
in Mn manganese 717.3 eV .
This can be our energy in form of heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page))
So researchers : Quoteheated lithium-doped MnTe to approximately 250 degrees Celsius above its Néel temperature (34 degrees Celsius) - the temperature at which the spins in the material lose their long-range magnetic order and the material becomes paramagnetic.
Néel temperature is only 35C. - That is basically Curie temperature (Curie point)
so the the spins in the material lose their long-range magnetic order and the material becomes paramagnetic.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Neel-temperature (https://www.britannica.com/science/Neel-temperature)
But of course we are interested in spin of electron and all other phenomena is just good to understand .
"We observed that even though there were no sustained spin waves,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave)
QuoteQuote"spin waves" that ripple through the magnet like waves on a pond that's been struck by a pebble
.
https://phys.org/news/2023-04-physicists-unusual-nickel-based-magnet.html
yes- nickel-based-magnet.
In order for electron to become free and create electric current its bonding to an atom energy must change.
that is measured and observed in lEELS technique applied to electron microscope ( I have few if them)
DualEELS: The importance of low-loss correction of electron energy-loss spectroscopy data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_energy_loss_spectroscopy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_energy_loss_spectroscopy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilRuUmJKoeE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilRuUmJKoeE)
https://youtu.be/H6i4Y4tSyJM?t=5391 (https://youtu.be/H6i4Y4tSyJM?t=5391)
regulated by length of an impulse applied.
So you may apply an impulse of given fraction of duty cycle too.
__________________________________________________CONCLUSION:So we have two terms:
Spin wave and
Seebeck effect lets connect the two into :
Spin Seebeck effect of correlated magnetic molecules
and we end up with our perfectly known to us thermoelectric effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect)
So if you have electric motor that rotates it creates heat too.
If you hold magnet in your hand while moving it in front of another magnet you do it as well.
and in addition you may feel heat in your body doing that work for too long :)
If you have stator without moving parts you play with magnetic field by use of energy that you may pay for
unless is coming e.g. from the sun and over sudden you may see some current flow.
But you not sure is this giving you more energy than just regular solar panel at your house.
So if you have a material having low Curie temperature e.g near 35C you may see some current flow
WHILE PLAYING WITH MAGNET AND IRON..
Technique is not important.
Phenomena is known
and Holcomb dance is about patenting more exotic technique some "Astra" is willing to pay for.
Legal note: opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
here is just
short version of it:
related to :ILPG of HolcombQuote
"When we observed the sudden rise of Seebeck coefficient below and near the Néel temperature,
and this excess value extended to high temperatures, we suspected something fundamentally
related to spins must be involved," says Huaizhou Zhao, a professor at the
Chinese Academy of Science in Beijing and co-corresponding author of the paper.
"So we formed a research team with complementary expertise which laid the groundwork for this discovery."
"Spins enable a new paradigm in thermoelectricity by alleviating the fundamental tradeoffs
imposed by Pauli exclusion on electrons," Vashaee says.
"Just as in the discovery of the spin-Seebeck effect, which led to the new area of spincaloritronics,
where the spin angular momentum is transferred to the electrons, both the spin waves (i.e., magnons)
and the local thermal fluctuations of magnetization in the paramagnetic state
(i.e., paramagnons) can transfer their linear momentum to electrons and generate thermopower."
Quote"We observed that even though there were no sustained spin waves, localized clusters of ions would correlate
their spins long enough to produce visible magnetic fluctuations,"
Quotelifetime of these spin waves—around 30 femtoseconds—was long enough to enable the dragging of
electron charges, which requires only about one femtosecond, or one quadrillionth of a second.
"The short-lived spin waves, therefore, could propel the charges and create enough thermopower
to prevent the predicted drop off," Hermann says.
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-09-paramagnetic-electrons-electricity.html)
more is here:
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/ee/c3ee43299h (https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/ee/c3ee43299h)
https://phys.org/news/2023-04-physicists-unusual-nickel-based-magnet.html (https://phys.org/news/2023-04-physicists-unusual-nickel-based-magnet.html)
QuoteThe resulting effect on the nickel spin is called a spin exciton, and one would normally expect
the effect of the exciton-producing "kick" to be confined to a single atom. But measurements from the
experiments indicated "basketballs" were moving in unison, creating an unexpected sort of wave.
Even more surprising, the waves appeared to persist at relatively high temperatures
where the crystals no longer behaved as magnets.
all leading to very much known Thermoelectric effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect)
use of isotopes of iron may be even more beneficial due to its decay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_iron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_iron)
for these interested with spin waves some news not always related you'll find here:
https://phys.org/tags/spin+waves/ (https://phys.org/tags/spin+waves/)helpful literature about spin wave in iron:
https://phas.ubc.ca/~michal/P455/prob5.pdf (https://phas.ubc.ca/~michal/P455/prob5.pdf)QuoteThe spin Seebeck effect refers to the generation of a spin voltage caused by a temperature gradient in a
ferromagnet, which enables the thermal injection of spin currents from the ferromagnet into an attached
nonmagnetic metal over a macroscopic scale of several millimeters. The inverse spin Hall effect converts the
injected spin current into a transverse charge voltage, thereby producing electromotive force as in the
conventional charge Seebeck device
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0034-4885/76/3/036501 (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0034-4885/76/3/036501)_____________________________________________________________so I delivered to you
the easy explanation here:https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648)
the advanced version for more educated in art here:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581655/#msg581655 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581655/#msg581655)
the short version here
Wesley.
Quote from: stivep on August 27, 2023, 03:18:01 PM
in
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581648/#msg581648)
I provided easy explanation of all of that circus
And for few who wants to feel valuable now I present:
The more advanced explanation related to Astra, Holcomb deal
ILPG - what it is about?
_____________________________________________________________________
Ok .
Lets take look at some text again so you the audience and me - we are at the same page:
in the link:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc- (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-)
Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html
we have text :where part of quote saying: is true and rest is "likely" BS.
"likely" word is used in conjunction with legal note at the bottom of the comment.
Lets analyze it:
1 . electron spin in the iron atom, is explained here but applies to dielectrics too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif)
explanation: 1 impulse of ns ( nanosecond) affects lattice. Energy affecting it becomes smaller and smaller - dissipates
more of it is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave)
2 . So we have new term Spin wave
in that we need to understand that level of excitation is measured in μeV - micro electron V that is 1/1000 of eV.
from that we know that the phenomena of interest lives short ps.(pico seconds) and acts like from the link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spin_wave.gif)here is interesting point:
no no BS with OU not at all..To create free electron for the current flow we need to deliver for 1-st ionization energy level measured in unit eV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page)#cite_note-1) )
in Mn manganese 717.3 eV .
This can be our energy in form of heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements_(data_page))
So researchers : Néel temperature is only 35C. - That is basically Curie temperature (Curie point)
so the the spins in the material lose their long-range magnetic order and the material becomes paramagnetic.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Neel-temperature (https://www.britannica.com/science/Neel-temperature)
But of course we are interested in spin of electron and all other phenomena is just good to understand .
"We observed that even though there were no sustained spin waves,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_wave).
https://phys.org/news/2023-04-physicists-unusual-nickel-based-magnet.html
yes- nickel-based-magnet.
In order for electron to become free and create electric current its bonding to an atom energy must change.
that is measured and observed in lEELS technique applied to electron microscope ( I have few if them)
DualEELS: The importance of low-loss correction of electron energy-loss spectroscopy data
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_energy_loss_spectroscopy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_energy_loss_spectroscopy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilRuUmJKoeE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilRuUmJKoeE)
https://youtu.be/H6i4Y4tSyJM?t=5391 (https://youtu.be/H6i4Y4tSyJM?t=5391)
regulated by length of an impulse applied. So you may apply an impulse of given fraction of duty cycle too.
__________________________________________________
CONCLUSION:
So we have two terms: Spin wave and Seebeck effect lets connect the two into :
Spin Seebeck effect of correlated magnetic molecules
and we end up with our perfectly known to us thermoelectric effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect)
So if you have electric motor that rotates it creates heat too.
If you hold magnet in your hand while moving it in front of another magnet you do it as well.
and in addition you may feel heat in your body doing that work for too long :)
If you have stator without moving parts you play with magnetic field by use of energy that you may pay for
unless is coming e.g. from the sun and over sudden you may see some current flow.
But you not sure is this giving you more energy than just regular solar panel at your house.
So if you have a material having low Curie temperature e.g near 35C you may see some current flow
WHILE PLAYING WITH MAGNET AND IRON..
Technique is not important.
Phenomena is known
and Holcomb dance is about patenting more exotic technique some "Astra" is willing to pay for.
Legal note: opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
Wow... I can't imagine how much time you put into yours..
IYKYK
I'll do you a favor and suggest this: wait a week or two before publishing your next book.
Circumstances and awareness are about to change dramatically.
Have a nice day!
LL
Quote from: Lottalead on August 27, 2023, 05:07:16 PM
Wow... I can't imagine how much time you put into yours..
IYKYK
I'll do you a favor and suggest this: wait a week or two before publishing your next book.
Circumstances and awareness are about to change dramatically.
Have a nice day!
LL
LL,
Sounds interesting - in a week or two - should be fun!
BTW; You'll like the next version of the "LinGen - Ver. 2!" [in the works]
Anyway, have a good one and "be happy :) " Keep us in-the-loop, thanks.
SL FWIW - the "Rent Case" is set for hearing 9/26/23 at 2:30pm - "Case Management"
... AFAIK.
Quote from: Lottalead on August 27, 2023, 05:07:16 PM
Wow... I can't imagine how much time you put into yours..
IYKYK
I'll do you a favor and suggest this: wait a week or two before publishing your next book.
Circumstances and awareness are about to change dramatically.
Have a nice day!
LL
As expected.
Despite of right or wrong of my explanation your comment
doesn't talk but barks............. isn't?
No single reference is taken into the account.Thank you for showing your true level here.
This forum is about understanding and it looks like
your understanding is none.But that doesn't stop you from posting.
What is your contribution to this forum and why you are here?
What your support of Holcomb and company is based on?
$$$$?
Correct me if I'm wrong, can you?
What is the benefit to the society from some guy in local pub
who forgot not exceed the recommended limits?
If you wanna be a singer, you wana shine than shine.
2 weeks from now?
gona be what's "gona be" no No Money No Fun/ny ...
Wana show me a new cellphone yo got no money to buy?
or a circus with ILPG?
Legal note:
opinion expressed is my own.
questioning is an opportunity to ask you questions about your records and gather evidence about the relevant matter.
Wesley
Quote from: SolarLab on August 27, 2023, 05:54:02 PM
LL,
Sounds interesting - in a week or two - should be fun!
BTW; You'll like the next version of the "LinGen - Ver. 2!" [in the works]
Anyway, have a good one and "be happy :) " Keep us in-the-loop, thanks.
SL
FWIW - the "Rent Case" is set for hearing 9/26/23 at 2:30pm - "Case Management"
... AFAIK.
The counter suit is much more interesting isn't it.. so much in play.. LOL
I like this:
https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/772.11
Bob wants nothing to do with those apples..
I like 'em.
LOL
Time is on my side.. be it 2,12,120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WORVGHdhl0g
Quote from: stivep on August 27, 2023, 05:58:40 PM
As expected.
Despite of right or wrong of my explanation your comment
doesn't talk but barks............. isn't?
No single reference is taken into the account.
Thank you for showing your true level here.
This forum is about understanding and it looks like your understanding is none.
But that doesn't stop you from posting.
What is your contribution to this forum and why you are here?
What your support of Holcomb and company is based on?
$$$$?
Correct me if I'm wrong, can you?
What is the benefit to the society from some guy in local pub
who forgot not exceed the recommended limits?
If you wanna be a singer, you wana shine than shine.
2 weeks from now?
gona be what's "gona be" no No Money No Fun/ny ...
Wana show me a new cellphone yo got no money to buy?
or another circus with ILPG
Legal note:
opinion expressed is my own.
questioning is an opportunity to ask you questions about your records and gather evidence about the relevant matter.
Wesley
You lost me at , as expected..
Take a few steps out of your lab , or den, basement. Whatever.. Ask for a look, respectfully, you may be surprised. I'm sorry that you don't get it. Please don't project your frustration and failure on those that have found the way, have recognized the opportunity and acted. Inaction is failure. .I expect time will heal that wound.
Hope you are enjoying the day!
LL
Quote from: stivep on August 27, 2023, 05:58:40 PM
As expected.
Despite of right or wrong of my explanation your comment
doesn't talk but barks............. isn't?
No single reference is taken into the account.
Thank you for showing your true level here.
This forum is about understanding and it looks like your understanding is none.
But that doesn't stop you from posting.
What is your contribution to this forum and why you are here?
What your support of Holcomb and company is based on?
$$$$?
Correct me if I'm wrong, can you?
What is the benefit to the society from some guy in local pub
who forgot not exceed the recommended limits?
If you wanna be a singer, you wana shine than shine.
2 weeks from now?
gona be what's "gona be" no No Money No Fun/ny ...
Wana show me a new cellphone yo got no money to buy?
or another circus with ILPG
Legal note:
opinion expressed is my own.
questioning is an opportunity to ask you questions about your records and gather evidence about the relevant matter.
Wesley
Check this out! I'm sure you're going to love it LMAO!!!
https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/369886470_830976991868675_596185338984573629_n.mp4?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=985c63&efg=eyJybHIiOjUwNSwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic3ZlX3NkIn0%3D&_nc_ohc=eiyVUGQbjKAAX8JjILd&_nc_rml=0&rl=505&vabr=281&_nc_ht=video-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAGv8RnUkFe9qC9P-TUbARVs8_T-_bS1KN7gwYcfNoooQ&oe=64F063C4
Quote from: Lottalead on August 26, 2023, 07:03:05 PM
I'm not sure why you guys and girls haven't been paying attention to the current news. Astra has validated the HES technology, imo.
SGS has been invited to RECONFIRM their findings.. now.. Infrastructure has been built to produce the ILG and intitial orders have been taken...
All that is public information..It's not too late to benefit. Upend your couch and shake it,, do whatever you can to raise a few bucks. Don't do it for your own arrogant ass, do it for your families future.
LL
You say SGS "findings" is public information. Show it to me. Produce the SGS findings here publicly.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 28, 2023, 12:04:35 AM
You say SGS "findings" is public information. Show it to me. Produce the SGS findings here publicly.
bi
I think a lot of this data were outlined in the Investors Conference back in 2019(?). But, you
might have to go to A-HES investor relations for that information now, after their merger.
Ask Ellen H. - she might be able to provide them, if they are not "Company Proprietary Technical and
Business Information," which is pretty common these days. Avoids a lot of potential problems and
generally requires a "Non Disclosure." Again, standard operating proceedure once the initial start-up
investment phase is completed. But, hey, give it a try, you never know!
BTW. If you're an investor, or a potential investor, you should have no problem obtaining all that type
of information and data. Again, pretty standard stuff after you can show you are in a position to invest.
If your substantial enough, you can probably arrange an in situ lab visit as well. Although, they're rapidly
approaching the "Big Time" league! ;)
Have your Investment Advisor or Portfolio Banker contact the company and they should have no problem.
However, these are just my opinions based on past experiences...
Anyway, good luck!
Been there. Done that.
LL says it's public information. I say it's not.
Lots of claims that do not materialize.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 28, 2023, 01:34:21 AM
Been there. Done that.
LL says it's public information. I say it's not.
Lots of claims that do not materialize.
bi
Good, glad you got what you were looking for - public or not - at least you've been there and done that.
Hope it answered your questions. When you visit Holcomb, if you do, let us know how it worked out, Tks.
OK, i took the bait, and looked into their tech.
I must say that i call-bullshit, and here is why.
First claim--(The HES utilizes the natural energy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity.) :o
Now, i'm sure most of us here are aware that changing magnetic fields in iron cores produces eddy currents, which consumes energy, and releases it as heat. It never produces energy.
Second claim--(It can increase the usable true power for any use or any facility including homes, apartments, factories, office buildings – or any consumer of electric power, reducing one's power bill, and carbon footprint, by up to 80%.) ;D
Now, forgive me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't a device that produces it's own energy, reduce your power bills by 100% ?, while maintaining it's own energy supply. There simply is no reason a device that produces excess energy cannot be self looped, and provide excess energy to run loads.
All i see, is the destruction of perfectly good electric motors.
I reduced my power bills by 80% by putting solar panels on my roof.
Brad
Quote from: Lottalead on August 27, 2023, 08:28:50 PM
You lost me at , as expected..
Take a few steps out of your lab
I'm sorry that you don't get it.
don't project your frustration and failure
"Yo got more nerve than a bad tooth."
- idiom "I'm gonna get yo understand."
- idiomLottalead you are interesting element of society.
So similar to SolarLab as if you were his exact copy castrated from his knowledge
of computer graphics and simulation, or any knowledge in that particular art at all,
like a random shoemaker trying to educate a particle physicist about quantum physics.
You are manifesting Holcomb commercial interest as if it was your own.
SolarLab does it too.
On a contrary
Chet Ramset manifests exactly what this forum was created for.
I'm not angry with you
(nearly felling asleep half way through..) Not every dog is trained to jump high too,
self-educated dogs can do it - if motivated to learn.
but with no shame slow walk in the park near Holcomb fence may be good for leftovers too.
__________________________________________________Quote from: Lottalead on August 27, 2023, 08:28:50 PM
You lost me at , as expected..
//your fustration and failure //
//I expect time will heal that wound.//
- maybe Holcomb appeal for you was that of the frail and alluring.
-was it?
An American from New York USA might have been exposed to so many wanders and
wonders. (Wander deals with traveling or moving, while wonder deals with thinking, questioning, and being amazed. )
We are in New York having typical average satisfied life while others around fight for more wealth.
We do not believe you aren't good enough at your job to get a promotion but for some reason
Holcomb is important to you the man having likely no idea what it is about.
opinion expressed is my own. Wesley
Wesley's wife
educated in art of psychology
Quote from: tinman on August 28, 2023, 07:38:03 AM
OK, i took the bait, and looked into their tech.
I must say that i call-bullshit, and here is why.
First claim--(The HES utilizes the natural energy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity.) :o
Now, i'm sure most of us here are aware that changing magnetic fields in iron cores produces eddy currents, which consumes energy, and releases it as heat. It never produces energy.
Second claim--(It can increase the usable true power for any use or any facility including homes, apartments, factories, office buildings – or any consumer of electric power, reducing one's power bill, and carbon footprint, by up to 80%.) ;D
Now, forgive me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't a device that produces it's own energy, reduce your power bills by 100% ?, while maintaining it's own energy supply. There simply is no reason a device that produces excess energy cannot be self looped, and provide excess energy to run loads.
All i see, is the destruction of perfectly good electric motors.
I reduced my power bills by 80% by putting solar panels on my roof.
Brad
Trick question: a mechanical synchronous generator with self-excitation or a separate excitation circuit for the magnetic rotor solenoids, produces an eclectic power output? How much electrical power is spent on excitation and how much electrical power do we get at the output?
What Holcomb claims is his personal view, as no one has yet been able to explain exactly how a synchronous generator works where the phase wires are laid in a slot or wound on rod cores with pole lugs.
https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2023/02/over-unity-system.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Quote from: tinman on August 28, 2023, 07:38:03 AM
I must say that i call-bullshit, and here is why.
Yes,but nobody tried to rotate virtual magnetic field over speed of light.
There are no fundamental obstacles to this. Try it, maybe a miracle will happen. :)
Quote from: tinman on August 28, 2023, 07:38:03 AM
OK, i took the bait, and looked into their tech.
I must say that i call-bullshit, and here is why.
First claim--(The HES utilizes the natural energy produced by the electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity.) :o
Now, i'm sure most of us here are aware that changing magnetic fields in iron cores produces eddy currents, which consumes energy, and releases it as heat. It never produces energy.
Second claim--(It can increase the usable true power for any use or any facility including homes, apartments, factories, office buildings – or any consumer of electric power, reducing one's power bill, and carbon footprint, by up to 80%.) ;D
Now, forgive me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't a device that produces it's own energy, reduce your power bills by 100% ?, while maintaining it's own energy supply. There simply is no reason a device that produces excess energy cannot be self looped, and provide excess energy to run loads.
All i see, is the destruction of perfectly good electric motors.
I reduced my power bills by 80% by putting solar panels on my roof.
Brad
Brad,
That was my first impression as well - BS, but I decided to do an analysis since many things are not what they first appear.
Some of the detailed discovery is outlined in the links and attachments below. These are informational only and not meant
to convince anyone of anything - they are purely educational.
NOTE: 1. Eddy currents are mitigated by either using laminations or, better yet, Soft Magnetic Compounds (SMC).
Also consider a unipolar pulse working in the upper half of the B-H Curve.
2. Looping is not "talked about" since that would be perpetual (Overunity) which is not (currently) patentable.
Britannica - magnetic field strength [see attachment]
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100977#msg100977 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100977#msg100977)
"When a current flows in a wire wrapped on a soft-iron cylinder, the magnetic field (H)
is quite weak, but the actual average magnetic field (B) within the iron may be
thousands of times stronger because B is greatly enhanced by the alignment of the
iron's myriad tiny natural atomic magnets in the direction of the field"
Development and Analysis of the Holcomb Concept Simulation MagGain animated GIF
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900)
More Holcomb MagGain varification
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98901#msg98901)
Here are 4 frame captures which contain the Legends
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98908#msg98908)
Rolling (or sliding) Magnetic Fields
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98977#msg98977)
CONCLUSION - HES LinGen Analysis
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99112#msg99112)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99113#msg99113)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99114#msg99114)
Domain Alignment, Relaxation, Re-Alignment and Timing
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99318#msg99318 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99318#msg99318)
Sliding Magnetic Field - 4 Pole Pairs
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99366#msg99366 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99366#msg99366)
Magnetic Gain (Chart - B-H Curve derivitive)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99504#msg99504 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99504#msg99504)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg103250#msg103250 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg103250#msg103250)
Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter
and other info in the pdf
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99639#msg99639 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99639#msg99639)
BH relationship - Linear versus Non-Linear Energy (some good gifs)
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100935#msg100935 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100935#msg100935)
Misc NOTES and Info
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100940#msg100940 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg100940#msg100940)
YES - Excess Energy can, and HAS ALREADY, been achieved! Holcomb Energy Systems Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
Two Notable Videos:
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/?ref=page_internal)
At 1:12 ([STM32x] Controller and MOSFETs?). At 1:33 & 1:54 "LinGen."
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296 (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems/videos/happy-new-year/558518552520296)
#1 at 0:33 - "Successfully tested the 100 KW HES STAND-ALONE unit by running a
1200 sq ft building TOTALLY OFF THE GRID"
Probably the "first" Verified and Easily Replicatable System to appear in any of the
"so called" FE or OU Forums!
Long post - but a lot of information and analysis was required to complete everything.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 28, 2023, 02:23:12 PM
Development and Analysis of the Holcomb Concept
Simulation MagGain animated GIF
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98900#msg98900)
This comment is related to strong critics by
F6FLT I agree with
by comparing "Barbosa / Leal" system. to Holcomb/
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98701#msg98701 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98701#msg98701)
The simulations attached are
proving nothing and are based on parameters that could by any manually imputed to the program.
_______________________________________________________
Quote from: SolarLab on August 28, 2023, 02:23:12 PM
More Holcomb MagGain verification
You didn't provide any verification at all but predicted by you outcome with use of more simulations.
Quote from: SolarLab on August 28, 2023, 02:23:12 PM
CONCLUSION - HES LinGen Analysis
it is a set of Facebook comments I have no access too nor
I'm willing to have just because you posted something there.
_______________________________________________________conclusion based on average comments:
F6FLT comment:
Quote"Increasing efficiency" has nothing to do with "consuming more energy than supplied and paid for".
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=16ks62ji69mecjd3i4b9ere6d5&topic=4261.msg98902#msg98902
quote author=Allcanadian
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99118#msg99118 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99118#msg99118)
addressed to solarlab
comment body:
QuoteI say relevance and not value // as a programmer
I don't think anyone has any idea what you suppose //.
What I see is... Oh look a graph and some fancy graphics // no justification or substance.
// on par with those nonsensical youtube videos showing a coil attached to a magnet //
Here's a thought, //I call bullshit.
I would consider that as a complete failure to evolve //
_______________________________________________________My own conclusions:
In post:
https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581656/#msg581656 (https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg581656/#msg581656)I provided to the audience here three forms of explanation
- the
easy, the
advanced and the
short one. related to Holcomb claim about:
Quotea revolutionary new clean energy technology that takes power input from any source – fossil fuels or renewables – and magnifies power output over 50%.
Quotethe electron spin in the iron atom, converting it into usable electricity
while requiring no fuel and releasing zero carbon emissions."
from link:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html (https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/10/31/2544796/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Joins-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-LLC-to-cut-Carbon-Footprints-and-Energy-Bills-by-50.html)Analysis made this process scientifically possible but not yet practically conformed by other competitors.
That doesn't provide any proof of Holcomb technology yet.
______________________________________________________If we theoretically assume that Holcomb started from total
BS. and some Medical doctor later on got a grip on something essential in physics,
than the previous lack of patent , and their new patent application filing would be explained.
Holcomb Quoted text talking about
Quotemagnifies power output over 50%
can be done by any amplifier that consumes always (and never less) more energy than it amplifies.
If Holcomb presents any working device than its efficiency will be important to analyze.
1. It will never give more energy than it consumes
2. it may couple to another form of energy converting it while acting as a valve only.
That will be something we are searching for in this forum assuming that utilized form of energy is at no charge .
By that we will get
Free Energy FE. ______________________________________________________Interesting to me is SolarLab support of commercial interest of Holcomb.
He didn't shine in this forum in the past
much at all with knowledge, ignorant, arrogant, often vulgar
crashing like bulldozer everything on his way if given a chance .
- but don't be fooled by that. He is fast... gaining a lot ...
His progress of improving his skills is quite visible.
He is familiar with simulations.
Holcomb my have got attracted to his skills offering him
something in return.
Most of young guys can surprisingly fast learn and perform in the filed and the -field quite unknown to them.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets level, recognition, position and carrier, in some of Holcomb mutant soon.
SolarLab has great potential, he is intelligent and pushy, fast learner, likely having no boundaries stopping his
: "my way or highway" -
idiom .
I wish him truly the best
opinion expressed is my ownWesley
Quote from: stivep on August 29, 2023, 11:43:42 AM
Most of young guys can surprisingly fast learn and perform in the filed quite unknown to them.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets level, recognition, position and carrier, in some of Holcomb mutant soon.
SolarLab has great potential, he is intelligent and pushy, fast learner, likely having no boundaries stopping his
You don't believe in God. I know.It's your problem. But you just described the behavior of Satan.
Every Bit Helps
HES ILPG: Used 50KW, Billed 28KW. Sounds pretty good, I guess it works as claimed
and Analyzed using a Professional Computer Aided Engineering (CAE) system as
outlined in the OUR Thread POC starting here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98138#msg98138 (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98138#msg98138)
Nice part is, if you have a bit of skill, it's easy to build and, as you can see, it works!
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems (https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems)
All the best and happy Scientific/Engineering Development,
SL
As they say - the dogs bark but the caravan moves on!
Quote from: kolbacict on August 29, 2023, 01:30:46 PM
you just described the behavior of Satan.
quite of a conclusion. Thank you.
===============================
Quote from: SolarLab on August 29, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
Nice part is, if you have a bit of skill, it's easy to build and, as you can see, it works!
All the best and happy Scientific/Engineering Development,
SL
This is interesting comment.
You
persist to
simulate some sort of "convincing image"
Persisting simply means, you focus your thoughts on your desired end, until it is reprogrammed into
your subconscious mind and becomes your dominant
fear.
What if it doesn't work?
________________________________________________
Three times I had ask you the question and you never responded to it,
If you
SolarLab have a bit of skill, and it is so easy, than why you do not have such device presented here
by you as your own working model?
May be it is a
fear that once you declare something as yours, and stay true to that desire with full conviction,
it has no choice but to appear in your 3D form as real you - and that may turn into so much of discomfort.
Naked with all imperfections , exposed to the crowd,
some sort of
simulant - in life - in computer graphics and in achievement.
On the contrary :
-
I'm nobody till someone see value in me.
And I have no problem with it, having ~24 years younger wife psychologist .
https://youtu.be/WpBpk1Cg7ns (https://youtu.be/WpBpk1Cg7ns)
________________________________________________Quote from: SolarLab on August 29, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
the dogs bark but the caravan moves on!
It is not your caravan Dear SolarLab.
Why do you care?
Wesley
Quote from: SolarLab on August 29, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
Every Bit Helps
HES ILPG: Used 50KW, Billed 28KW. Sounds pretty good, I guess it works as claimed
...
SL
SL,
Again, they post a "Demand" chart and claim it shows power usage (energy?) savings as well as carbon savings. "Demand" shows a different parameter that is not energy and absolutely unrelated to carbon emissions. I went through this before and posted definitions and links to explain utility power terminology for you. It is indicative of their lack of understanding. They don't know what they're looking at. Heck, demand shows as a line item on my power bill. And it's not the energy.
bi
FPL (Florida Power and Light)
Understanding Demand [ https://www.fpl.com/rates/understand-demand.html (https://www.fpl.com/rates/understand-demand.html) ]
What is Demand?
Demand is a term to describe how much electricity is used at any given moment. Most businesses have a meter that
tracks and records the highest 30-minute level of electricity demand for each billing period. Demand is measured in
kilowatts (kW), while the total amount of electricity used is measured in kilowatt-hours (kWh).
Let's compare electricity use between two customers, as an example. Both customers use the same amount of kilowatt
hours (kWh) - 20,000 kWh - over the course of a month. The first customer uses a steady amount of electricity over the
30-day period while the second customer uses much of the 20,000 kWh in bursts over a few hours per day or a few days
of the month. Although both customers used the same amount of electricity, the second customer would be charged more
for placing greater demand on the system during the short periods of time when their electrical use peaked.
Here's another way to think of demand. Imagine that every business in your area receives water through a standard one-inch
pipe, and that for most of the businesses in your area, this is sufficient. But you have particular needs that require, on occasion,
more water than is possible to deliver through the one-inch pipe. To meet these peaks in your water requirements, the water
company must install equipment (larger main lines, a larger service pipe, etc.) to get more water to you. The added costs of
this equipment are covered by a "demand" charge when you use more water than can be delivered through the one-inch pipe.
Why does FPL charge for demand?
If your business requires large peaks of electricity, FPL must be able to supply the electricity and have the infrastructure in
place to deliver it to you. To supply the increased electricity, we must build power plants and add equipment to our distribution
and transformer networks to meet your needs. These additional costs are passed onto users with large peaks in demand in the
form of demand charges.
Above is from the FPL website (above). Not that complicated IMHO. Also explains why FPL might be interested as well.
If this is in error you should contact FPL and have them correct it!
Note that the daily temperatures are included within the chart to show what the Demand might otherwise be. {50Kw max load}
Keep in mind this is only one aspect of the technology involved, however it does demonstrate a very significant application.
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on August 30, 2023, 12:32:21 AM
FPL (Florida Power and Light)
Understanding Demand [ https://www.fpl.com/rates/understand-demand.html (https://www.fpl.com/rates/understand-demand.html) ]
What is Demand?
Demand is a term to describe how much electricity is used at any given moment. Most businesses have a meter that
tracks and records the highest 30-minute level of electricity demand for each billing period. Demand is measured in
kilowatts (kW), while the total amount of electricity used is measured in kilowatt-hours (kWh).
Let's compare electricity use between two customers, as an example. Both customers use the same amount of kilowatt
hours (kWh) - 20,000 kWh - over the course of a month. The first customer uses a steady amount of electricity over the
30-day period while the second customer uses much of the 20,000 kWh in bursts over a few hours per day or a few days
of the month. Although both customers used the same amount of electricity, the second customer would be charged more
for placing greater demand on the system during the short periods of time when their electrical use peaked.
Here's another way to think of demand. Imagine that every business in your area receives water through a standard one-inch
pipe, and that for most of the businesses in your area, this is sufficient. But you have particular needs that require, on occasion,
more water than is possible to deliver through the one-inch pipe. To meet these peaks in your water requirements, the water
company must install equipment (larger main lines, a larger service pipe, etc.) to get more water to you. The added costs of
this equipment are covered by a "demand" charge when you use more water than can be delivered through the one-inch pipe.
Why does FPL charge for demand?
If your business requires large peaks of electricity, FPL must be able to supply the electricity and have the infrastructure in
place to deliver it to you. To supply the increased electricity, we must build power plants and add equipment to our distribution
and transformer networks to meet your needs. These additional costs are passed onto users with large peaks in demand in the
form of demand charges.
Above is from the FPL website (above). Not that complicated IMHO. Also explains why FPL might be interested as well.
If this is in error you should contact FPL and have them correct it!
Note that the daily temperatures are included within the chart to show what the Demand might otherwise be. {50Kw max load}
Keep in mind this is only one aspect of the technology involved, however it does demonstrate a very significant application.
SL
SL,
FPL has it correct. They know what they're doing. It is Holcomb, and you, who don't know.
bi
edit for further comment.
It is entirely possible for two FPL customers to use exactly the same energy (kWh) in a billing period when one had a demand usage of 50 kW and the other had a demand usage of 28 kW. That does not relate to lower carbon emissions, as they claim. Look it up.
Quote from: bistander on August 30, 2023, 02:01:13 AM
SL,
FPL has it correct. They know what they're doing. It is Holcomb, and you, who don't know.
bi
edit for further comment.
It is entirely possible for two FPL customers to use exactly the same energy (kWh) in a billing period when one had a demand usage of 50 kW and the other had a demand usage of 28 kW. That does not relate to lower carbon emissions, as they claim. Look it up.
It might reduce carbon if FPL doesn't have to build one, or more, Power Plants!
That's where the CO2 is generated, as you know! Not by the consumer...
This whole idea of Holcomb using FPL charts as a marketing tool is so absurd. Holcomb, the company claiming to have the secret and technology to produce and deliver machines that make free electrical energy, buys their electricity from the local utility supplier. So they want customers to buy these free energy generators from them, but they don't even use them to the full extent now. Big time marketing fubar.
bi
Quote from: bistander on August 30, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
This whole idea of Holcomb using FPL charts as a marketing tool is so absurd. Holcomb, the company claiming to have the secret and technology to produce and deliver machines that make free electrical energy, buys their electricity from the local utility supplier. So they want customers to buy these free energy generators from them, but they don't even use them to the full extent now. Big time marketing fubar.
bi
That's it - thats the best you can come up with?
Don't buy one then! Don't even attempt to build one yourself. Quite simple!
Maybe your right - maybe not - time will tell. But they all seem to work OK (stand alone included)
FUBAR - could be, that's why they are selling them - they're FUBAR - but you're the only one who knows that!
And, of course, you know that based upon _____ oh yea, you just know that without any, well, anything!
Maybe I missed your analysis, build, test, measurements, etc. - just a "Crystal Ball" I guess, must be nice!
But it does appear your "Crystal" might be FUBAR - may be time to have the "Ball" repaired!
Quote from: bistander on August 30, 2023, 03:24:22 AM
This whole idea of Holcomb using FPL charts as a marketing tool is so absurd. Holcomb, the company claiming to have the secret and technology to produce and deliver machines that make free electrical energy, buys their electricity from the local utility supplier. So they want customers to buy these free energy generators from them, but they don't even use them to the full extent now. Big time marketing fubar.
bi
First of all, the marketing (of the power amplifier - in simple words) of HES is designed for a potential buyer, who has very big problems with possession of special technical and energy information (I don't like it either). I have always said: Holcomb Energy Systems is a commercial project from the first step. Secondly, the most correct way to measure the efficiency is to apply a quantitative measurement indicator (electricity bills are an element of such measurement, but it needs a document showing the real quantitative consumption for a period of time for which the bill is issued. Power moment measurements will not show the real picture, but only the possibilities. Third question, it is not clear how things are with reactive power, where do they put it when they need to protect the output windings of the generator. Fourth issue, the user must always provide a load of 1.5-2 times the consumption of the Holcomb installation. The fifth issue is scaling .... I hope this pilot project, will solve its problems and arising problems. I don't doubt the ability to generate energy, but besides generation itself, there is also the consumer load. Personally, I wish the Holcomb project good luck, especially since someone has already solved a similar problem in a more efficient way (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNKzZPaESi3roakMDiQKg4HoKucAEasUUdoeIGde0erKeXVNu8hYkceiAfrrIpJq7PiVzFjZRnu3fXhpAAqoA_od3mLhVaS5rtPbdrYCjAt4Di2W5Ir2JDHE0hoTqyd8faBmF_x4YwkgPTRejPr0Y4eZxIUZbGsuG7LhTAhe2Q4ts4YUWUJhPUVgyF-KE/s1864/2023-08-29_113449.jpg).
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/12/blog-post.html
*I supplemented my material with the Stepanov & Кo. decision.
Hope the guys at HES have gotten around to addressing all those issues, if not
their sales might not happen!
Oh, wait, they are already selling stuff! Well, then, I hope it works - their
customers probably have no clue, right!
;)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 30, 2023, 05:19:57 AM
Hope the guys at HES have gotten around to addressing all those issues, if not
their sales might not happen!
Oh, wait, they are already selling stuff! Well, then, I hope it works - their
customers probably have no clue, right!
;)
Mass-media marketing and real sales contracts are things that sometimes don't mix. I have not seen a single competent buyer who trusts marketing. For the cost that is advertised, before the sales contract, hire experts to figure it out. Naturally, all of these activities have a clause and obligations of non-disclosure. Therefore, there is no point in expecting to prove anything to anyone.
Hence the puffing of cheeks, in discussing things that are "non-disclosure information". The system is absolutely working as it works, just like a synchronous generator is mechanical (https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2022/06/overunity-holcomb-energy-system.html). Holcomb did well, made a working example and put all the diploma holders, with claims that a mechanical generator is a converter of mechanical energy into electrical energy, in cancer. It is this question that does not give rest to pseudo-smart people.
Quote from: rakarskiy on August 30, 2023, 05:54:50 AM
Mass-media marketing and real sales contracts are things that sometimes don't mix. I have not seen a single competent buyer who trusts marketing. For the cost that is advertised, before the sales contract, hire experts to figure it out. Naturally, all of these activities have a clause and obligations of non-disclosure. Therefore, there is no point in expecting to prove anything to anyone.
Hence the puffing of cheeks, in discussing things that are "non-disclosure information". The system is absolutely working as it works, just like a synchronous generator is mechanical. Holcomb did well, made a working example and put all the diploma holders, with claims that a mechanical generator is a converter of mechanical energy into electrical energy, in cancer. It is this question that does not give rest to pseudo-smart people.
Hi Rakarskiy,
That's why an Investor consults a "good" Investment Manager, who contracts a "good" Technical Analysist!
Age Old process AFAIK. If it appears to have technical merrit, then consult a "good" Busiess Manager to see if the technology has a "future"!
Then, if need be, have the Technical Analysist contract a "good' Proof of Concept Model/Fab Lab! That's how it's done!
This is what "real" inventors, investors and developers do - pretty much has always been this way! Because it works!
Wave your hands all you want, run around with your hair on fire, do back flips - but, in the end, that's really how it works!
Doesn't matter what anyone's "opinion" or "hug-the-tree" or "save-the-world" philosophy is! Sorry, but that's not how it is...
so get real and understand how it really works - because, that's how it actually works!
SL
SolarLab,
I still think you should be ban on these forums, BS and being a salesman is not what this forum is about.
You don't have a single prototype or facts that it works as Holcomb claims, yet you still keep playing the same old tune.
Makes me wonder how much money did you invest in the Holcomb device or are you just trying to sell something you don't have.
Maybe you need to start your own web page to get investors.
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on August 30, 2023, 06:45:34 AM
SolarLab,
I still think you should be ban on these forums, BS and being a salesman is not what this forum is about.
You don't have a single prototype or facts that it works as Holcomb claims, yet you still keep playing the same old tune.
Makes me wonder how much money did you invest in the Holcomb device or are you just trying to sell something you don't have.
Maybe you need to start your own web page to get investors.
Tom
Tommey,
But how would you learn about the first ever "Overunity Device" presented on these forums?
You wouldn't!
BTW - I don't do Youtubes to make money - so I guess that makes me a "salesman" instead of a Troll! SL
Solarlab
You said you were done here a few weeks back
Wrote some horrible things about the open source community ( evil, selfish ,fools etc etc)
I sent you an offer to try and help you ( open source funding if you open sourced)... you posted things I asked to stay private ( which will most likely come out anyway ,(they were issues with Holcomb marketing )
Your actions were Beyond slimy in my opinion..( not alone in that opinion)
You always sprinkled info all over the place ( years ago I begged you to start a dedicated topic
a moderated topic ( by you) To focus it all in one place ( I have seen many drop crumbs here so as to hope the money tree
Will bloom.
You were datadumping into other people's topics ( relentlessly to the point of getting moderated)
Now it all makes sense .. you have no use for open source..
You hunt the investor money tree !
And now you try to paint Tommy with your brush...
The only problem I ever had with Tommy
Was he could care less about his you tube channel
And probably closed it down dozens of times over the years
( several hundreds of vids gone ...
Lots of useful vids gone ( and mostly from frustration with guys who just can't let him build without trying to "save him"
He always tells his results good or bad ..
You really should go elsewhere for your entertainment ( you wrote the fighting is some satisfaction?)
Here you had dozens of opportunities to engage in real time( technically)
With bistander ( and others)
Instead just fights or "sideways " word wars ..horrible slanderous insults..and pointing to your data dump "simulations" as some sort of evidence.
Spread all over the place ( even across forum's)
Yeesh...
( to see example of how sincere man works see how Tinman wishes for bistander ( or similar)
Scrutiny)
Scientific method is to run to scrutiny not data dump and run away ..
"Hope for scrutiny" ( the type of man with bistander's actual life experience can bring)
And I am not referring to keyboard wiki warriors with no actual experience ( way too many of those ...even worse with AI now)
Yes I understand the world is filled with persons such as yourself
and at least seeing the face to add clarity to what we try to do here ( see Stefan's mission statement)
How hard it truly is to battle these things daily (for builders ..the precious selfless persons who share regardless ,they are all over the planet and well aware of
The money harvesters in our midst...
We can't let that stop us ..our future and our children's future depends on it !
This tech will save lives immediately...any moments lost to time ( for profit sake)
Are completely untenable ..(Dr.Steven Greer's investigation says 3 billion in desperate need 2023)
It could be you or me dying today for lack of electricity or clean water etc etc
Those of us who have options ( do to being born where we were )
I really don't even know what to write
We just have to keep doing the best we can !
And not to put wealth and personal gain in front of a life
"That" type of wealth ,is a pillow we could never lay our head on at night ( the cost in lives and to our planets future)
Quote from: ramset on August 30, 2023, 09:27:04 AM
Solarlab
You said you were done here a few weeks back
Wrote some horrible things about the open source community ( evil, selfish ,fools etc etc)
I sent you an offer to try and help you
- nothing substantial as of yet is on the table.
Solarlab is quite good in keeping himself not forgotten yet,
and he has highly likely nothing to offer apart of another simulation.
I do admire your mission
Chet but you need to face the reality.- money makers are not FE friends.
Wesley
Hey Fellows,
You've probably already reviewed all the technical and other information I've provided so far, mostly on the LinGen, but
also on the HES technology in general.
So, what else do you need, if you really do need anything more, to understand the theory, methods and techniques; and,
hopefully be able to construct a device or have a typical model/fab shop make one for you.
You already have been given the links many times so I won't repeat them again.
BTW, check if the patent showing the "so called" LinGen was ever granted - it claims perpetual motion (OU) so it probably
never received a granting. Even if it was granted, you can still build a few for personal use/experimentation under the law;
you just can't sell them to the public for profit.
Not sure what the reprecussions would be if you built them and just gave them away however - like an "open source" thing!
Still can not figure out why you guys fight this "Holcomb Technology" and "Excess Energy" thing so ruthlessly. Take the "tech"
and run with it, in what ever direction your research takes you!
Have a good one... and take care,
SL
I hope this material of mine, will help to understand how the traditional synchronous oscillator and Holcomb generator works.
GENERATOR AS A SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2017/08/generator-of-free-energy-vega-ukraine.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Quote from: rakarskiy on September 01, 2023, 05:50:54 AM
I hope this material of mine, will help to understand how the traditional synchronous oscillator and Holcomb generator works.
GENERATOR AS A SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2017/08/generator-of-free-energy-vega-ukraine.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
To quote your paper--(What is the peculiarity of an electrical circuit with a galvanic element? As stated earlier, the galvanic cell does not have a complete conductor closing into the circuit. If we consider the design, then between the plates - electrodes with electrolyte, no current is generated, no matter how orthodox physicists would like it. A short circuit between the electrodes, disabling it, and in some cases the occurrence of an electrochemical reaction with the release of a huge amount of heat, is the same as if you short circuit the electrodes of an active (charged) galvanic cell. The current strength—the magnetic vortex field—does not pass through the electrolyte. Thus, a galvanic source cannot be a source of current or a generator of current. When they call electric current, uh,)
Totally incorrect.
Current does flow between the plates, as it does between the plates of a capacitor.
The conductor between the two plates of a galvanic cell is the electrolyte. This can be proven by the fact that a magnetic field is produced between the plates within the electrolyte. Remove the electrolyte, and you are removing the conductor, and no current will flow.
Quote from: tinman on September 01, 2023, 06:36:22 AM
To quote your paper--(What is the peculiarity of an electrical circuit with a galvanic element? As stated earlier, the galvanic cell does not have a complete conductor closing into the circuit. If we consider the design, then between the plates - electrodes with electrolyte, no current is generated, no matter how orthodox physicists would like it. A short circuit between the electrodes, disabling it, and in some cases the occurrence of an electrochemical reaction with the release of a huge amount of heat, is the same as if you short circuit the electrodes of an active (charged) galvanic cell. The current strength—the magnetic vortex field—does not pass through the electrolyte. Thus, a galvanic source cannot be a source of current or a generator of current. When they call electric current, uh,)
Totally incorrect.
Current does flow between the plates, as it does between the plates of a capacitor.
The conductor between the two plates of a galvanic cell is the electrolyte. This can be proven by the fact that a magnetic field is produced between the plates within the electrolyte. Remove the electrolyte, and you are removing the conductor, and no current will flow.
The same through the capacitor (called "like" phase shift of the current), but there is one BUT, the spin of the magnetic field in the capacitor, as well as in the electrolyte "under question as it is only theory" has the opposite spin to the spin in the electric circuit to which the source is connected. That is, the current vectors are opposite, which excludes short-circuit in the circuit.
a significant contradiction of accepted tenets, don't you think?
Quote from: rakarskiy on September 01, 2023, 05:50:54 AM
QuoteThere are two types of generators - a voltage generator and a current generator. This is a fundamental thing indeed, pay attention! See pictures below
GENERATOR AS A SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY (https://rakatskiy-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2017/08/generator-of-free-energy-vega-ukraine.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Well are there toggles of current and toggles voltage ? ;)
Quote from: SolarLab on August 30, 2023, 07:03:08 PM
Hey Fellows,
You've probably already reviewed all the technical and other information I've provided so far, mostly on the LinGen, but
also on the HES technology in general.
So, what else do you need, if you really do need anything more, to understand the theory, methods and techniques; and,
hopefully be able to construct a device or have a typical model/fab shop make one for you.
You already have been given the links many times so I won't repeat them again.
BTW, check if the patent showing the "so called" LinGen was ever granted - it claims perpetual motion (OU) so it probably
never received a granting. Even if it was granted, you can still build a few for personal use/experimentation under the law;
you just can't sell them to the public for profit.
Not sure what the reprecussions would be if you built them and just gave them away however - like an "open source" thing!
Still can not figure out why you guys fight this "Holcomb Technology" and "Excess Energy" thing so ruthlessly. Take the "tech"
and run with it, in what ever direction your research takes you!
Have a good one... and take care,
SL
I'm not fighting against FE or OU, but you cannot harass ou community nor Holocomb. If Holocomb has choose their way to patent this tech and already pursuing production line for their product, why are you trying to make their life more difficult ?
If they need help and asking for replications while keeping their path to patent isn't going anywhere when some disclosures are made in an open forum. I just don't want to conclude about the logic of action or speculate about reasons behind scene.
I really think Holocomb deserve a rest from all this nonsense. Or Holocomb needs to come in the open with a fair trade if they need help ... the only risk as always, is once in the open, the only real fight is on production force as I can see happening soon enough with Holocomb or any other. Is just marketing strategy and they can choose a cheap franchise release to get some financial gain rather than expose the tech even under patent and make no income ... I don't think that nowadays is anymore possible to see things happening as some 20-50 years ago ... just look how mobile communication evolved.
We already have a lot of things that only need scale up as they are proved to use FE and/or OU in a novel way/approach where we can apply some of the newest tech available even for diy.
adrouk,
Holcomb likely has a business plan and whether it includes a release of anything to a forum such as this might be
doubtful. On the other hand, the more people who prove to themselves that the technology works, by examination,
then the more the technology will become accepted and spread.
As I responded here:
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg581893/#msg581893 (https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg581893/#msg581893)
"The publicly released unit should be packaged, sealed with safeguards in place and have proper warnings, etc.. In fact,
a small device is better as a "Built-In" attachment to, or as a part of, an appliance and designed specifically for that appliance load."
Highly unlikely that Dr. Holcomb, et. al. are that much aware of, nor care about, what goes on in a non-mainstream forum. IMHO.
I suspect however, that Dr. Holcomb is interested in having the public, at large, understand that his technology is now available
and how his technology works. At least his videos and website seems to point in this direction - but again, just guessing...
SL
Good point adrouk.
I'll respond to it soon
Wesley
adrouk,
Forgot to add, for those with the "Curse of the Ever Curious" sometimes it's
a lot of fun to just "Learn New Things!" especially when it involves new technologies!
Especially one like this - that involves cutting edge "Excess Energy Generation."
Might be a handy skill in the near future! ;)
SL
Quote from: adrouk on September 01, 2023, 06:08:03 PM
I really think Holocomb deserve a rest from all this nonsense.
All losers need to safely disappear too. Time will show.
1.
Solar Lab has no working model and highly likely will not make it ever.
2. Holcomb is not manifesting any need to help independent replicators.
2a. Commercial entity has full rights to their intellectual property.
3. They are not yet verified as manufacturers and mass distributors of working device.
4. Their system as clamed uses spin of electron and the efficiency can be less than that of solar panel.
4a. Price of the device is not known yet and it must be attractive when compared to other such products.
5. Most of text here is presumptions and speculations.
6. Open forum interest is to have working device, despite any limitations.
__________________________________
So why members of open forum wants to have it?What they are going to do with it?
Little change it and file their own patent application if claims do not cover it?
Or use it without any license and royalty paid?
Or sale some copies to make some money on it?
These were my partner doubts when I ask him for approval to present working model in action of our own device.
He simply said:Crowd has not unity, do not care about costs, work done , value, respect, friendship.
That is why they invented leaders, governments, presidents and police to avoid chaos.
How many times you faced nice guy/girl when in need that turns into nasty and unpleasant if denied?
How many times people around you changed into attackers and enemies formulating their demands?|
I personally experienced it too, with one guy present on this forum._______________________________________
I do not need fame, money, investors, educators, or any help at all for today.
Diversity is
not unity of society, crowd and humanity and you do not care about Holcomb or me or "Joe Anybody"
So the last question is.
How did you deserve to be given the device converting one form of energy into - electrical energy for free FE?What is there for me, my partner, or Holcomb or any other inventor to make him give it to you and do not patent it?
highly likely there will be no answer to these questions,
Wesley
New Materials Appear Nearly Every Day
Things become even more exciting once you start to explore some of the
new Soft Magnetic Compounds (SMC) that are just now starting to come
to light.
Combined with the Holcomb discovered methods of using a material
(soft iron B-H Curve techniques) it appears things will get very interesting
in a very short time!
Not only in the "Excess Energy Generation" field but a whole number of areas.
Knowing how to work with these modern SMC's will be a great skill set.
- Just noticed the "Post Sliding" - cool trick, will have to keep that one in mind, tks!
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on September 01, 2023, 09:33:49 PM
New Materials Appear Nearly Every Day
Things become even more exciting once you start to explore some of the
new Soft Magnetic Compounds (SMC) that are just now starting to come
to light.
Combined with the Holcomb discovered methods of using a material
(soft iron B-H Curve techniques) it appears things will get very interesting
in a very short time!
Not only in the "Excess Energy Generation" field but a whole number of areas.
Knowing how to work with these modern SMC's will be a great skill set.
- Just noticed the "Post Sliding" - cool trick, will have to keep that one in mind, tks!
SL
I was very reluctant to criticise as everyone can see any little critic lead to those who wants fe/ou being shelved, to raise their voice and we can see it happen at earliest opportunity always.
Indeed almost everyday we can see new materials as technologies advance amazing fast as I expect.
My only critic is for your way for a very specific patent development aka HES.But, what I really want to say is, new materials comes on the market with a high price tag especially when they link to fe/ou as those inventors already count possible billions from day 1, which isn't going to happen resulting in tech being shelved.
Easy way is to repurpose things or use old cheap existing materials for fe/ou as it will be useful for any John Doe right now when bigoilco is on the way to eradicate middle class.
The only problem for bigoilco is they need to keep on the market same materials with inefficient harvest/use in order to maintain new tech shelved, so we can exploit it for as long they plan to extend in extensive and intensive way their extortion against mankind.
Quote from: adrouk on September 02, 2023, 05:09:34 AM
I was very reluctant to criticise as everyone can see any little critic lead to those who wants fe/ou being shelved, to raise their voice and we can see it happen at earliest opportunity always.
Indeed almost everyday we can see new materials as technologies advance amazing fast as I expect.
My only critic is for your way for a very specific patent development aka HES.
But, what I really want to say is, new materials comes on the market with a high price tag especially when they link to fe/ou as those inventors already count possible billions from day 1, which isn't going to happen resulting in tech being shelved.
Easy way is to repurpose things or use old cheap existing materials for fe/ou as it will be useful for any John Doe right now when bigoilco is on the way to eradicate middle class.
The only problem for bigoilco is they need to keep on the market same materials with inefficient harvest/use in order to maintain new tech shelved, so we can exploit it for as long they plan to extend in extensive and intensive way their extortion against mankind.
A Very Quick Overview of One Aspect of Business and Commerce 101 - An Inventor Invents something (a Method, a Widget, whatever). He has many options
as to what he does with his invention. One approach is to Manufacture, Market, Distribute,
and Sell the device (assuming it's a physical device).
- Another option is to License the device to a Third Party (Entrepreneur) or a Manufacturer,
or any other interested party and then collect a one time cash payment or royalties, etc.
The business inter-relationships are nearly as many as the number of products out there,
including food.
Since Holcomb's Invention involves, in part, the scheme of using Soft Iron (B-H Curve) to
create "Excess Energy" there are too many ways to apply this, so it's up for grabs!
So, you as an individual or group can seek out an invention, develop it to your specifications
using whatever technologies you feel best suit your application and capabilities. Once you
feel the product has merrit and profitability you can purchase the exclusive patent rights
to the invention (unlikely in this case), or License the Technologies involved and pay royalties
per item sold, etc..
If your newly developed device is unique, it may be patentable as well; let others manufacture
it, market it, distribute it, and sell it; and you collect the royalties!
You can hopefully see the many schemes that are available. With the method Holcomb has
invented (excess energy) there are probably millions of applications and thousands of
various ways to produce and market devices. At this point, in this field, the sky is the limit!
In simpler terms - view it like the Motor... or a Paddle Wheel... or a Wind Mill.
Therefore, step out of the bubble, and view the non-myopic world that is out there...
This process is as old as commerce itself!
I'll just leave you all with this:
Now is the time to begin your jouney of DEVELOPMENT! It's all here right now,
you just need to do it! And there's enough things to do to keep everyone busy for years!
The World at large awaits your applications!
SL And, BTW, there are many who do want OU/FE shelved (some have even clearly stated it).
{and not all of them work at the Patent Office either}
A second BTW; not everyone (bigoilco & powerco included) are against "Excess Energy" development;
attend a few international Forums and it becomes clear many are interested - problem was, in the past,
there just wasn't a viable excess energy scheme that held water!
SolarLab,what do You understand specific by 'Soft Iron' ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_hysteresis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_hysteresis)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A#)
2002 approved and granted by the german patent-office !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=19804277C2&KC=C2&FT=D&ND=4&date=20020418&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=19804277C2&KC=C2&FT=D&ND=4&date=20020418&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
Now,2023,licence-/fee- free technology !
Other similar -static dynamics- invention by same developper :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=27&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=27&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A#)
[0004] The inventors have discovered that the magnetic flux density of a permanent magnet and the magnetic flux density generated by a magnetized coil are electromagnetically induced with a high electromagnetic induction effect, leading to the present invention.
The ' em induction effect' explained in [0013]+
[0017]
Therefore, by designing a specific magnetic path based on the AC power source to be used, its frequency, and the desired output power, it is possible to obtain an output power several to several tens of times higher than the input power
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=28&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030404&CC=JP&NR=2003102164A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=28&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030404&CC=JP&NR=2003102164A&KC=A#)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=29&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030314&CC=JP&NR=2003079128A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=29&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030314&CC=JP&NR=2003079128A&KC=A#)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=30&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=30&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20030110&CC=JP&NR=2003009558A&KC=A#)
Licence-/Fee-free open source technology 2023 !
wmbr
OCWL
LancaIV,
From your first referenced Wikipedia link: (probably best describes "Soft Iron" in brief)
"Solid metals Edit Soft iron Edit "Soft" (annealed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annealing_(metallurgy))) iron (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron) is used in magnetic assemblies, direct current (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_current) (DC) electromagnets and in some electric motors; and it can create a concentrated field that is as much as 50,000 times more intense than an air core.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core#cite_note-1)
Iron is desirable to make magnetic cores, as it can withstand high levels of magnetic field (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field) without saturating (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturation_(magnetic)) (up to 2.16 teslas (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(unit)) at ambient temperature.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core#cite_note-3)) Annealed iron is used because, unlike "hard" iron, it has low coercivity (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercivity) and so does not remain magnetised when the field is removed, which is often important in applications where the magnetic field is required to be repeatedly switched."
Also see "Powdered Metals" on the same page.
Powdered SMC's also fit this description but they have the advantage of mitigating "Eddy Current Losses." Plus, coil forms, etc. can be molded to suit!
Thanks, some interesting Patents - will look at them in more detail...
Have a good one,
SL
Keiichiro Asaoka worked also together with Sanshiro Ogino ( ' basic factor'),
http://web.archive.org/web/20070426111305/http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e507.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070426111305/http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e507.html)
http://web.archive.org/web/20130529033827/http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e401.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20130529033827/http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e401.html)
https://www.mattech-journal.org/articles/mattech/abs/2002/12/mattech20029012sp65/mattech20029012sp65.html (https://www.mattech-journal.org/articles/mattech/abs/2002/12/mattech20029012sp65/mattech20029012sp65.html)
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jsas1989/12/3/12_3_178/_pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiivJC5pY2BAxXnUaQEHeQqB3g4ChAWegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw2OtD9gKoSCS5hwENPVpyO6 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jsas1989/12/3/12_3_178/_pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiivJC5pY2BAxXnUaQEHeQqB3g4ChAWegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw2OtD9gKoSCS5hwENPVpyO6)
https://studylib.net/doc/18155676/basic-principles-of-construction-for-over-unity-electro-m (https://studylib.net/doc/18155676/basic-principles-of-construction-for-over-unity-electro-m)...
applied
https://www.wired.com/2007/10/super-efficient/ (https://www.wired.com/2007/10/super-efficient/)
Hybrid reluctance magnet
https://www.bikeweb.com/node/3189
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/plastic-bonded-.html (https://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/10/plastic-bonded-.html)
lancaIV,
This is the patent the latest (Japanese) patent is based on:
US5926083 Asaoka
Same fellow, the latest patent shows some improvements
and talks about the performance of the US Patent.
From what I've studied so far, these patents are well worth more analysis!
Thanks again,
SL
Asaoka/Ogino their R&D ,together with Flynn Bros. and Jack Hilden Brand magnetic valve ,was forum theme standart 2006-2007 !
With improved electro-magnet technology,pulsed/capacitive/sc coil,the 2023 standart is by 100% improved !
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2010003394A3/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2010003394A3/en)
or
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A#
wmbr
OCWL
From the most recent patent it is noted:
"In order to put the prior invention to practical use, the invention has undergone repeated
practical tests in order to increase the input/output effect by at least 2.0 to 5.0 times
or more and to maintain continuous power generation performance over a long period of time."
"As a result, even in a permanent magnet with a high magnetic flux density, the magnetic flux
density is significantly attenuated depending on the length of the magnetic flux path, so the
yoke must be formed as short as possible."
"The inventors have discovered that it is extremely effective to control the closed magnetic path
and open magnetic path of the permanent magnet in the vicinity of the permanent magnet, and
that the input frequency has a large effect on the output power ratio to the input power,
leading to the present invention."
Probably worth studying/Analyzing all these patents by Asoaka. Some interesting stuff!
And they are about as simple to build as it gets... Appears a single cell has about 1.5 to 2.5 output.
To quote from the patent:
"... in the practical application test, in the case of a high frequency input power of about 3,000 to 30,000 Hz,
the input power / The output power ratio has been confirmed to be about 1.4 to 2.6 times."
SL
Yes,that is to read !
Rotorverter : battery or capacitor 1 input to electric motor,100%
battery or capacitor II input from generator,+- 30%
100%/30% = 3,33
Between battery/capacitor I and II an electromagneto-motive force amplifier with
with ' work process C.O.P. 3,33 ' gives :
external energy free heat pump work nonstop
and
mono-/bi-/tri-/quad-cycle mobiles a long drive range !
Rotorverter generator coil with David Yurth dielectric material coating :
'work process C.O.P. 2,5 ' sufficient
Rotorverter generator coil treatment and Rotorverter motor improvement
' work process C.O.P. ≤ 2' sufficient .
Asaoka/Ogino and Dr.Pavel Imris capacitive coil devices let reach this !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161013&CC=DE&NR=112014005978A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20161013&CC=DE&NR=112014005978A5&KC=A5#)
(0029) Zum Beispiel, in Reihe 3 sind 140 V Spannung und 6, 66 Ampere Blindstrom. Bei 50 Hz Frequenz ist die Blindleistung 935 VA und die abgegebene Wirkleistung ist 850 W. Die aufgenommene Wirkleistung in den kapazitiven Wicklungen 3, 25, 26 ist 24,31 W. Alle anderen Reihen in Tabelle 1 beweisen die physikalische und technische Funktion der Erfindung weiter. Die experimentellen Daten in Tabelle 1 illustrieren das Verhältnis zwischen der eingesetzten Energie (Säule g) und der abgegebenen Energie (Säule f) im vorliegenden elektrischen Generator. (0030) Technisch ausgedrückt ist das ein Verhältnis vom Energieausstoß zum Energieeinsatz, auch Nutzungsgrad genannt. Der Leistung des Generators gemäß der Erfindung stehen Fachkräfte im heutigen Stand der Technik mehr als skeptisch gegenüber. Es ist wichtig zu wissen, dass die physikalische und technische Funktion des vorliegenden Generators ein Teil einer Entdeckung auf dem Gebiet Masse-Energie-Beziehung ist. ....... '
(0029) For example, in row 3 there is 140 V voltage and 6.66 amps of reactive current. At 50 Hz frequency, the reactive power is 935 VA and the active power delivered is 850 W. The active power absorbed in the capacitive windings 3, 25, 26 is 24.31 W. All other rows in Table 1 further prove the physical and technical function of the invention . The experimental data in Table 1 illustrate the relationship between the energy used (column g) and the energy delivered (column f) in the present electrical generator. (0030) In technical terms, this is a ratio of energy output to energy use, also known as the degree of utilization. Experts are more than skeptical about the performance of the generator according to the invention in today's state of the art. It is important to know that the physical and technical function of the present generator is part of a discovery in the field of mass-energy relations.
Blindstrom zu Wirkstrom Konvertierung : apparent power to real - active- power conversion
by Biot-Savart law mechanics apply
F= BIL to F= BILsin
https://www.google.com/search?q=F%3D+BILsin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=F%3D+BILsin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
A physical world,where 1/0= by orthodox -abstract-arithmetics means ' Syntax Error' ,in Applied Formula Physics gives ' concret useable results',repeatable !
Ex-'electron',today called ( hydrogen-) ' ion' ,as gas ' plasma', displacement work process
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering)
The analog phenomen ' recombination phase time' in n-p-n/p-n-p photon/phonon cells devices ,+ avalanche effect ( domino-/butterfly-/chaos- effect,resonance - plus ultra- catastroph )
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_pair
An alternative to battery/capacitor I and II static dynamo is a
' double motor- ccw/cw- gear- generator' couple
and/or ' mo-ge-gen with motor+ amplifier( motor input side)
and generator+amplifier(generator output side)'.
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.:
Also mentioned 2006/2007,step-by-step improvement R-/S-&D time
inventor :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Adolf+zielinski+&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Adolf+zielinski+&CPC=&IC=)
applicant :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Adolf+Zielinski&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Adolf+Zielinski&IN=&CPC=&IC=)
With such a thing you need to cut your sheets of transformer iron ...
https://youtu.be/5CeCxkFVCdM (https://youtu.be/5CeCxkFVCdM)
Quote from: kolbacict on September 05, 2023, 04:21:06 AM
With such a thing you need to cut your sheets of transformer iron ...
https://youtu.be/5CeCxkFVCdM (https://youtu.be/5CeCxkFVCdM)
https://www.google.com/search?q=honeycomb+metamaterial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
Quote from: SolarLab on September 02, 2023, 10:22:47 PM
lancaIV,
This is the patent the latest (Japanese) patent is based on:
US5926083 Asaoka
Same fellow, the latest patent shows some improvements
and talks about the performance of the US Patent.
From what I've studied so far, these patents are well worth more analysis!
Thanks again,
SL
Interesting thanks Lanca & SL. In Bangkok atm but will run some tests when I get home. Reminds me of the meg.
Bump.
input (blue) vs output (yellow)
The blue input is only one (2N 2S) of four input spikes (1N 1S)(2N 2S)(3N 3S)(4N 4S).
Alternating between four input spikes (1N 1S)(2N 2S)(3N 3S)(4N 4S).
It's a big delay between input spikes for now. What do you think will happens when
we make it faster?
//initialize
digitalWrite(out01, HIGH);
digitalWrite(out02, HIGH);
digitalWrite(out03, HIGH);
digitalWrite(out04, LOW);
int tmicrsec = 1000; // delay microsecond
while (1)
{
digitalWriteFast(out01, LOW); // turn the out01 off
digitalWriteFast(out04, HIGH); // turn the out04 on
delayMicroseconds(tmicrsec); // wait
digitalWriteFast(out02, LOW); // turn the out02 off
digitalWriteFast(out01, HIGH); // turn the out01 on
delayMicroseconds(tmicrsec); // wait
digitalWriteFast(out03, LOW); // turn the out03 off
digitalWriteFast(out02, HIGH); // turn the out02 on
delayMicroseconds(tmicrsec); // wait
digitalWriteFast(out04, LOW); // turn the out04 off
digitalWriteFast(out03, HIGH); // turn the out03 on
delayMicroseconds(tmicrsec); // wait
}
I don't understand nothing. About what device goes to say ? circuit ?
solid state linear generator LINGEN
8 input coils 32 turns on each, 4 north 4 south (1N 2N 3N 4N)(1S 2S 3S 4S)
out01..04 goes to 1 north and 1 south input coil each.
And turns on or off with 4 mosfets.
8 output coils in series 12 turns on each and a 33 ohm resistor series connected.
Quote from: Feb2006 on September 17, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
solid state linear generator LINGEN
8 input coils 32 turns on each, 4 north 4 south (1N 2N 3N 4N)(1S 2S 3S 4S)
out01..04 goes to 1 north and 1 south input coil each.
And turns on or off with 4 mosfets.
8 output coils in series 12 turns on each and a 33 ohm resistor series connected.
Hi Feb2006,
Some excellent work!
FYI - included two B-H Curve data sheets for the TDK Ferrite Cores I think you are using.
(from your previous pdf - you likely have these already, but in case not)
The complete data sheets and some other good design data are here:
https://www.tdk-electronics.tdk.com/download/519704/069c210d0363d7b4682d9ff22c2ba503/ferrites-and-accessories-db-130501.pdf
Thanks for sharing! [
* likely the first OU device to be shared on the forums *] Also, thanks for the code...
Best Regards,
SL
HES - Moving Along
40KW Self-Sustaining (Stand Alone) Unit - another Excess Energy (OU) POC!
Also, Dr. Holcomb recently became a Director (Astra Energy Board of Directors).
And; the Transverse Flux version of the LinGen is looking very good as well.
Just an FYI update
Flynn parallel path flux like and Kunnel too
so
1. if the center interrupter/diverter coil flux is stronger than the
PM flux
then
2. the PM flux can flow to the center interrupter/diverter coil
and
3. removing the flux from the outside coil (secondary) causing induction when the flux
comes back
Since this was a 1999 24 years ago patent why have we not seen the generators
all around?
Norman
Quote from: norman6538 on September 20, 2023, 07:54:46 PM
Flynn parallel path flux like and Kunnel too
so
1. if the center interrupter/diverter coil flux is stronger than the
PM flux
then
2. the PM flux can flow to the center interrupter/diverter coil
and
3. removing the flux from the outside coil (secondary) causing induction when the flux
comes back
Since this was a 1999 24 years ago patent why have we not seen the generators
all around?
Norman
Hey Norman,
Guess we were patiently waiting for you to do it... ;)
SL
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/09/25/2748676/0/en/Astra-Energy-Inc-Reaches-Agreement-with-Holcomb-Energy-Systems-to-Secure-Exclusive-Worldwide-Manufacturing-Rights-on-Revolutionary-Technologies-and-Welcomes-Dr-Robert-Holcomb-MD-Ph.html?fbclid=IwAR2klUsyomi_uh2qJ96icHHoEHRETizrEQ3KYml3cVe19GjAaiJ8QHf0n_s
Do to pending lawsuits on Holcomb and legal issues , I will lock this topic for now.
Regards, Stefan. (Admin)